[0:12] Okay, 7:00 we're going to go ahead and
[0:14] call this meeting to order.
[0:17] Start the Pledge of Allegiance.
[0:22] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[0:25] United States of America, and to the
[0:27] republic
[0:28] for which it stands, one nation under
[0:31] God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:34] justice for all.
[0:37] Okay, can we have a roll call, please?
[0:39] >> [cough]
[0:39] >> Okay.
[0:40] Yes.
[0:40] >> [clears throat]
[0:40] >> Patricia? Here. Eric? Here. Zeke? Here.
[0:44] Courtney? Here.
[0:46] Dustin? Here.
[0:47] Okay, before we get started, um
[0:50] as you can see, Mayor Geiger Mayor
[0:51] Geiger is out sick today. Um she didn't
[0:54] have much of a voice when I spoke with
[0:55] her earlier, so I will be speaking for
[0:57] her instead.
[0:58] Uh first thing I want to do, I want to
[1:00] call to amend the agenda. Uh
[1:03] under
[1:05] two things I want to change is under
[1:07] business items 10, add in add
[1:11] letter E,
[1:12] a presentation from DR Horton for Scioto
[1:15] Crossing.
[1:17] And the second portion would be to move
[1:21] item 15, executive session, up to just
[1:25] after that presentation, above
[1:27] legislation.
[1:29] All in favor?
[1:32] Aye. Aye. Aye.
[1:35] Any opposed? Any opposed?
[1:40] Okay, next on the agenda, we're going to
[1:42] go through our meeting minutes. Um
[1:45] approval of the March 12th, 2026
[1:49] public hearing meeting
[1:50] public hearing minutes, IDI variance. So
[1:53] moved.
[1:55] Second. Second.
[2:00] All those
[2:03] Okay, all in favor? Aye.
[2:05] All opposed?
[2:06] >> [clears throat]
[2:08] » Next, approval of the March 2nd, 2026
[2:10] public hearing meeting minutes, rezoning Scioto
[2:14] Estates.
[2:15] I need a motion. Motion.
[2:18] Second. Second.
[2:20] Jay?
[2:21] All those in favor? Aye. Aye.
[2:24] All those opposed?
[2:26] Okay.
[2:27] Next one, approval of the March 2nd,
[2:28] 2026 council meeting minutes. Um
[2:33] All those are Sorry, I need a motion. So
[2:35] moved. Motion. Thank you. Do I get Do I
[2:38] get Jay? Do I get a second? Second.
[2:40] Courtney?
[2:41] All those in favor? Aye. [clears throat]
[2:43] Aye.
[2:44] All those opposed?
[2:45] Okay.
[2:46] Approval of the March 16th, 2026
[2:48] committee of the whole meeting minutes.
[2:50] Motion.
[2:51] from Jay. Second.
[2:54] Patricia?
[2:55] All those in favor? Aye. Aye.
[2:58] All those opposed?
[2:59] Okay.
[3:00] Approval of the March 23rd, 2026 special
[3:03] meeting minutes. I have a motion. Motion
[3:06] from Jay. Second. Second from Zeke.
[3:08] >> [snorts]
[3:08] >> All those in favor? Aye. Aye.
[3:11] Opposed?
[3:13] Okay. I think we should make a motion to
[3:15] not have to have more than three of
[3:17] those per month.
[3:20] » [laughter]
[3:23] » Okay, next one, uh administrative
[3:25] reports. Um
[3:27] the mayor's absence, uh Wendy's going to
[3:30] speak on the mayor's behalf on this one,
[3:31] please. So, what Mayor Geiger wanted me
[3:33] to let council know is the
[3:35] administration team and Councilman
[3:37] Weaver met with the development team for
[3:39] the Lane property. They have asked to
[3:41] come in front [clears throat] of council
[3:42] to present their plan at council's
[3:43] earliest convenience. Since we had a
[3:45] full agenda for tonight's meeting, she
[3:47] suggested that they come to the April
[3:49] Committee of the Whole meeting.
[3:51] During our meeting, they explained the
[3:52] way the MRIs, CT scans, and other
[3:54] imaging documents would be stored.
[3:57] They would use AI and store the
[3:59] information into what they are calling a
[4:01] library of information.
[4:03] They want to use alternative power for
[4:04] these libraries in the form of solar. If
[4:07] council is interested in meeting with
[4:08] the team and hearing what they are
[4:10] proposing,
[4:11] she will reach out to them when she
[4:12] returns to the office.
[4:14] So, you don't have to make a decision
[4:16] right now. It is down there as a
[4:17] business item, but you can just let me
[4:18] know whether you're interested in
[4:20] hearing that or not, so that we can move
[4:22] forward.
[4:23] Okay. Thank you.
[4:25] >> [clears throat]
[4:26] >> Village solicitor's report. Uh just one
[4:29] item. Uh thanks to Jim
[4:31] for uh staying on top of the zoning
[4:33] violation we had. Uh we believe it's
[4:36] all been cured by Mr. Iseo, and uh
[4:39] secondly,
[4:41] action against him should be dismissed
[4:42] once he cleans up the job site. And
[4:45] all's in order, and big thank you to
[4:46] Jim. He's been the driving force behind
[4:48] it.
[4:50] >> [snorts]
[4:52] » Uh police chief's report. I don't see
[4:54] the chief here, anybody sitting in for
[4:55] him? Okay.
[4:56] Uh village administrator's report.
[4:59] >> [clears throat]
[5:01] » Good [snorts] evening, all. Good
[5:03] evening.
[5:05] Okay. Um
[5:07] I had to take notes. I got a lot. We
[5:10] were busy last week, okay?
[5:12] Um street department, um we are have
[5:15] concluded our interviews for a full-time
[5:18] person.
[5:19] And we're going hopefully get them
[5:21] anticipated start in April sometime.
[5:24] Um
[5:25] we're already in the mowing season.
[5:28] Zeke mowed.
[5:29] He's been mowing every day.
[5:31] Um generally takes about 30 hours, so
[5:33] new person coming in will hopefully
[5:34] alleviate some of those mowing.
[5:37] Um
[5:38] we do have a one crack seal quote for
[5:41] phase one of Walker Point. Um it's been
[5:45] a long, long time since we've done
[5:46] anything as far as crack sealing
[5:48] subdivision,
[5:50] but we're into that now because there's
[5:52] a lot of them that are needing it, so
[5:55] we're going to get another quote just to
[5:57] make everything
[5:58] uh
[5:59] equal, and we'll we'll review those.
[6:02] Um as far as storm water,
[6:05] um
[6:05] Susan's group is working on the
[6:07] engineering for Chestnut Estates,
[6:10] uh the issue up there.
[6:12] Um we did have an issue at Scioto
[6:14] Crossing,
[6:15] um
[6:16] where some homeowner homeowners um
[6:19] had some issues on their backyards.
[6:21] Uh we've been in contact with the
[6:23] developer, and hopefully they're working
[6:25] through it toward a resolution.
[6:27] Um in two that, we are also amending our
[6:30] subdivision regulations to improve
[6:35] the language in there to where we can
[6:36] hopefully eliminate those issues in the
[6:38] future.
[6:41] Um
[6:42] we do have a storm drop at Genoa
[6:44] Crossing that needs to be replaced. This
[6:46] is a rather large bolt,
[6:49] uh so it's going to have to
[6:50] [clears throat] be built in place, so
[6:52] we'll see what the pricing comes in at
[6:54] that.
[6:54] >> Is that where? Genoa Crossing. I thought
[6:57] those were private roads.
[6:59] They're private roads, they're public
[7:00] storm water. Okay, I stand corrected.
[7:03] And these So, I did not know that
[7:05] either.
[7:06] >> [laughter]
[7:07] >> So, yeah, it's ours to take care of.
[7:10] I guess that's good for all of us to
[7:11] know moving forward when they say
[7:13] private roads, yeah, we might not have
[7:14] to take care of them, but we also We
[7:16] Yes.
[7:18] Well, thanks, Zeke. That was a learning
[7:20] experience. So, yeah, we had it's a
[7:21] rather large piece, and then
[7:23] unfortunately, it's right in the middle
[7:24] of the road.
[7:26] So,
[7:27] we'll have to address that when the time
[7:28] comes. Um we've also had a couple
[7:31] another issues with some storm drop
[7:32] frames along catch basins that were
[7:35] busted, and we're we're finding those,
[7:37] and we're having to replace those
[7:38] [clears throat] as we get to them.
[7:40] Um that's about it for streets and storm
[7:42] water. Uh water and waste water, we're
[7:44] beginning to work on the well field
[7:46] modification on the east side.
[7:49] Um we've been starting to press
[7:51] biosolids at the wastewater plant.
[7:54] Um
[7:56] we've had so much with this new process
[7:58] and the new plant that we think there's
[8:00] a possibility we'll have to press three
[8:02] [snorts] times, which will be incur more
[8:04] money, but we'll see how the summer
[8:06] goes, okay?
[8:07] Um Can you explain that just briefly?
[8:10] Yes.
[8:12] I mean, does that mean to bring it up?
[8:13] >> So, so when's We'll start at the
[8:15] beginning, I'm just real briefly. So,
[8:17] when when waste water comes in, it has
[8:20] solids in it.
[8:21] Um there is a large
[8:26] mass of bacteria, bugs, whatever
[8:30] microscopic, they eat everything.
[8:34] And when they eat, they reproduce, and
[8:37] then they die, and we have to get rid of
[8:38] those on a continuous basis, and that's
[8:40] where
[8:41] the the waste water sludge comes in, and
[8:43] then it gets pressed into a
[8:46] composting material.
[8:48] We have to get rid of that. So, you
[8:49] either land apply it, you put it in a
[8:52] landfill,
[8:54] or you can compost it like they do up at
[8:56] Compton.
[8:57] We don't have enough farmers that can
[8:58] use that stuff. That's what we
[9:00] >> That's what we do now. We put it on farm
[9:02] fields.
[9:04] So,
[9:05] um but it costs money to get rid of
[9:06] that.
[9:09] Um
[9:11] New water New water reclamation plants
[9:14] did great this winter. Uh we were
[9:17] a little antsy about how things were
[9:18] going to work over the wintertime with
[9:20] new treatment processes, but they did
[9:22] fine. So, and we had a pretty harsh
[9:25] winter, so we're doing pretty good with
[9:26] that.
[9:27] Um
[9:29] we did have one issue at Walker Road
[9:32] Lift Station.
[9:33] Um
[9:35] that that water Excuse me, that waste
[9:37] water lift station was sized
[9:40] for Old Town,
[9:43] phase one of
[9:44] Walker Point,
[9:46] and a couple other small subdivisions.
[9:48] We've now added significant
[9:50] load to that.
[9:52] It has overflowed a couple times in
[9:54] March,
[9:55] and we're right now working with Susan's
[9:56] group to engineer
[9:58] and increase capacity of that.
[10:01] So, that
[10:02] >> [clears throat]
[10:03] >> Remind me, is that the lift station that
[10:06] the couple of people that have tried to
[10:08] come in are willing to That's correct.
[10:10] From all down. That's correct. Okay, and
[10:12] there is nothing from there I mean, it's
[10:15] just undersized from that point out?
[10:17] >> It is undersized at the lift station
[10:19] itself, and it's undersized from the
[10:21] force main from that lift station all
[10:23] the way to the wastewater plant.
[10:26] So, that's multi-million dollar upgrade.
[10:29] Don't know yet. We're still We're just
[10:31] starting that process.
[10:32] >> It's probably going to be more than 500
[10:33] bucks. Oh, yeah.
[10:35] Guarantee that.
[10:36] >> I gave me a ballpark figure. More than
[10:38] 500. There you go. Thank you.
[10:40] So, yeah, that's that's in the process
[10:42] now and just beginning.
[10:43] Um
[10:46] We also had an issue in the industrial
[10:49] park with a where the storm or the
[10:52] sanitary sewers, it was a gravity sewer
[10:54] that failed on us. Um and I found out
[10:57] that that part of the sewer system had
[11:01] an extended warranty with it
[11:04] from the
[11:05] contractor that put it in.
[11:07] [cough and clears throat]
[11:08] Uh so, we're working with them to
[11:10] fix that for us.
[11:11] >> Look at you saving us money. One man. I
[11:14] didn't know about that warranty issue.
[11:16] That was a group effort on that, so.
[11:20] But, we're working on that to get that
[11:21] done. As far as meetings, um
[11:25] Wendy had already mentioned the one
[11:26] meeting we had. Um we've also had a
[11:30] meeting with the highway EPA in March
[11:32] about our source water protection plan,
[11:34] which basically says
[11:36] we're going to make sure that we can
[11:37] control what happens in our in our
[11:40] wellhead protection area.
[11:42] As far as growth, development, what
[11:44] impacts
[11:46] we can allow in there.
[11:47] >> is that? Huh? How It just depends. So,
[11:50] there's a 1-year time of travel and
[11:51] there's a 5-year time of travel. And
[11:53] obviously, the 1-year time of travel uh
[11:56] is short is smaller. But, and it won't
[11:58] really encroach up into any developed
[12:00] areas on the east side. I'm sorry, cuz
[12:03] it's all flood plain anyway.
[12:04] >> Yeah, but still we have to control what
[12:06] happens in there.
[12:08] Um
[12:11] I think that's about it.
[12:14] So, any
[12:15] questions on anything?
[12:17] Dave, I would
[12:18] just [clears throat] like to take a
[12:19] second uh
[12:21] I was hard on you, but thank you for
[12:23] taking what we had suggested and giving
[12:26] us a report that now I can answer
[12:29] questions if anybody asks with not
[12:32] complete ignorance. So, I would just
[12:34] thank you for taking that feedback
[12:36] >> I appreciate that.
[12:38] Don't want I just don't want to take up
[12:39] the whole meeting. I mean, I can talk
[12:41] for
[12:43] >> [laughter]
[12:43] >> a couple of days.
[12:44] >> That was the sweet spot right there.
[12:45] Okay. You said it's based on it. I'll
[12:46] work on that. Thank you, folks. I'll be
[12:49] over here.
[12:53] Hey, I'm Village Engineer Sport. I don't
[12:55] know how you follow that, Susan.
[12:59] Good afternoon. So, in addition to what
[13:02] [laughter]
[13:02] Dave had, uh a couple more items. So,
[13:06] the MI Foxfire subdivision, we are
[13:08] reviewing the phase five plans. Uh we've
[13:12] provided some comments, so engineers
[13:14] working on those. So, we'll wait for
[13:16] that resubmittal. Is that the last one?
[13:19] that we're aware of, yes. For
[13:22] now.
[13:24] >> [laughter]
[13:26] » And then, the last item I had,
[13:28] Belshazzar Street uh in the roadway
[13:30] improvements, stormwater improvements.
[13:33] So, we're wrapping up the plans and
[13:35] getting the package ready to go out to
[13:37] bid. So, that should be happening here
[13:39] this year. Uh we'll see those
[13:41] improvements. That's all I had in
[13:43] addition to what Dave said. So, any
[13:45] questions?
[13:46] >> The Belshazzar project, is that going to
[13:48] deal with this
[13:50] hole that's running under bowling alley
[13:52] that comes out that way?
[13:54] It was brought up before uh with
[13:57] Dave's person before him,
[14:00] and I've had a couple of people mention
[14:03] it again. So, I just didn't know because
[14:05] that's, you know, we're doing all the
[14:06] way down. I didn't know if that goes off
[14:09] or is Dave, is that something we can
[14:10] look into again? You may not even know
[14:12] about it, but
[14:13] >> There's like a hole behind
[14:15] between where Ross lives and like that
[14:17] daycare. Yeah. And
[14:20] I told something down in there and it
[14:22] you never heard it stop. Like how big of
[14:24] a hole? I mean, it's Oh, okay. You know,
[14:27] bocce ball or bigger, maybe.
[14:29] Um
[14:30] And then, there's another one starting
[14:33] uh just like it on Front Street coming
[14:35] back into town Mhm.
[14:37] just maybe 200 ft
[14:40] past the the village sign there. I think
[14:44] it's right before the bridge. But, the
[14:46] only reason I noticed that one is I hit
[14:48] it on my wheelchair and yeeted out of
[14:50] it.
[14:51] So, I I kind of found that one for us,
[14:54] but
[14:55] and I it was literally 2 days ago, but
[14:57] so, it's the first time, but yeah, I
[14:59] just didn't know cuz if there's a
[15:00] problem on bowling alley, wouldn't that
[15:02] feed into Belshazzar or vice versa
[15:04] somehow? It just depends on what what's
[15:07] creating the hole, what what the cause
[15:09] is. Um we actually have just an internal
[15:11] staff meeting Wednesday, so let me I
[15:14] believe I've heard that discussed with
[15:16] Mike. I feel like Mike's probably been
[15:18] out there and Yeah, he he went out and
[15:19] looked at it originally.
[15:20] Let Let me talk with uh
[15:22] Mike and Nita and John Wilson and see if
[15:25] they know what that is, what's causing
[15:26] it, and then we can follow up. Yeah,
[15:28] that's all right. It'd be great. I do I
[15:30] mean, if we can tie it together in one
[15:32] whack, maybe we can get it taken care of
[15:34] a little bit cheaper than doing a
[15:36] separate project.
[15:36] >> Right.
[15:38] Thank you.
[15:41] Anything else?
[15:42] Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Appreciate
[15:44] it.
[15:46] Is there any administrator report? Yeah,
[15:48] just a few things.
[15:49] Um
[15:50] the 233 3 Victorian news
[15:55] finally completed. I'm almost certain.
[15:56] So, I'm pretty happy about that.
[15:59] Uh this is grass and weed season, so
[16:02] here we go again.
[16:04] And uh
[16:05] already some problems out there, and so
[16:07] we'll be taking care of those through
[16:08] our licening.
[16:10] The fountains, we've contacted some of
[16:12] the HRAs and I had to make sure the
[16:13] fountains are up and running and that
[16:15] there is no bubble ups. We have some
[16:17] bubble ups there that have to be
[16:18] replaced with the fountains.
[16:21] Uh
[16:23] the
[16:25] I was contacted by the schools uh
[16:28] maintenance guy and um
[16:30] a bunch of trees are in the back in the
[16:33] fence line of Carmel Court.
[16:36] And I couldn't figure out who wanted to
[16:38] get all those trees trimmed, and finally
[16:39] got to it, and it was the electric
[16:41] company
[16:42] hired an individual to come in there,
[16:46] but he didn't clean it up.
[16:47] So,
[16:48] now we're in the process of contacting
[16:50] the
[16:51] electric company to get ahold of the
[16:53] vendor who he worked with, okay, and
[16:54] then we can go from there.
[16:56] Uh
[16:57] and that's really all I have. Do you
[16:59] have any questions for me?
[17:02] Going with the fountains, so last year
[17:05] was the first year that
[17:07] there was something in place. What's
[17:09] going to be the process when somebody
[17:11] has one not running? I mean, is there
[17:13] going to be We're We're contacting
[17:15] people right away. Yeah. So, if people
[17:18] ask us The HRA takes care of that. If
[17:21] there is no HRA, then
[17:23] we can go with like whoever is in
[17:24] charge.
[17:26] So, yeah, we keep an eye out on the
[17:28] people.
[17:30] What it does need, fountains and not the
[17:31] bubble ups.
[17:33] Okay.
[17:34] Anything else?
[17:36] Thank you.
[17:40] Fiscal officer's report?
[17:42] Um just like I mentioned in Mayor
[17:44] Geiger's report, I attended the Lane
[17:46] property meeting. Quite interesting.
[17:49] Um I emailed out to the new council
[17:51] members the fraud reporting class. I
[17:53] received everybody's but Zita's.
[17:55] Courtney, so yes, that was done.
[17:56] 8-minute video, very quick. I just need
[17:58] to have those for my reporting.
[18:00] Um on April 1st, I received a major site
[18:03] plan along with all of the fees paid
[18:05] over for the Jan property.
[18:07] The application has been reviewed for
[18:09] completeness by the zoning department
[18:10] and will be distributed to council via
[18:12] your mailboxes here at the office by the
[18:14] end of the week. Um I would ask that
[18:16] this item be added to the COW agenda.
[18:20] Um I received notification from the
[18:21] auditors today that my audit will start
[18:24] probably in the next couple of weeks. Um
[18:26] so, you'll probably be getting emails
[18:28] from the auditor's office just asking if
[18:30] you know of any fraud or anything like
[18:31] that. They're routine emails. They have
[18:33] to send them out. So, um just be
[18:35] watching for those.
[18:39] » [clears throat]
[18:40] >> On the legislative reports, Courtney?
[18:44] None.
[18:50] Uh [clears throat]
[18:51] so,
[18:52] as Wendy mentioned,
[18:55] uh
[18:57] you know, I think we need to bring
[18:59] attention to the fact that
[19:01] they uh they submitted eight developers
[19:04] submitted major site plans for um
[19:08] for data center. I think, you know, I I
[19:11] just think that everybody
[19:13] should hear that. Um
[19:16] Today, we have three emergency items on
[19:18] our agenda.
[19:20] Three pieces of legislation that are
[19:21] aimed at combating the incursion of data
[19:23] centers,
[19:24] industrial scale development that
[19:27] doesn't agree with the character or the
[19:29] identity of our village or our
[19:30] community.
[19:33] This is the first step, and it's a step
[19:36] that may well result in litigation.
[19:39] I believe that this is what our
[19:42] community throughout Pickaway County and
[19:45] rural Ohio at large has voted for, put
[19:48] us here.
[19:49] We have, you know, constitutional
[19:51] amendments coming forward.
[19:55] Um
[19:56] I don't know, sitting here today,
[19:59] and I can't tell you what the outcome of
[20:01] the vote
[20:02] what the outcome is going to be for the
[20:04] village.
[20:05] Um
[20:06] but I I believe that it it will be a
[20:08] fight.
[20:10] I don't want to blame current or
[20:12] previous leadership.
[20:14] I think that we got here chasing money,
[20:16] chasing growth, driven by fear of
[20:20] neighboring cities and a systemic lack
[20:22] of accountability.
[20:24] There may well be unavoidable
[20:26] consequences for those actions.
[20:29] The developer who's here today, uh who
[20:32] threatened us with litigation last
[20:34] month,
[20:35] um as I mentioned at the beginning,
[20:37] submitted those site plans in spite of
[20:41] what I felt like and made very clear to
[20:42] him that we didn't want him.
[20:45] Uh their intentions are unclear, but
[20:47] this submission underscores the urgency
[20:50] that at least I feel, but I believe our
[20:52] community feels, and the need for our
[20:55] action today.
[20:58] >> [clears throat]
[20:58] >> What is What is the soul of our village?
[21:01] What is it worth to us?
[21:03] Things are changing, and they're
[21:04] changing very quickly. I think it's
[21:06] clear to everyone.
[21:08] So, what we need to know is if not this,
[21:12] then what is it that we do want to drive
[21:14] past on our way home and when we look
[21:16] out our back doors?
[21:18] The farm fields that characterize so
[21:19] much of the landscape and character that
[21:22] we have here,
[21:23] I feel that they'll be gone before too
[21:25] long.
[21:27] So, what is the identity of our village?
[21:29] Who do we want to be, and what business
[21:31] do we want here?
[21:32] As we As we set forth into this fight, I
[21:34] think we need to ask ourselves
[21:37] what we want this place to be in 5, 10,
[21:39] 15 years, and what we're willing to do,
[21:42] say, and most importantly, pay to make
[21:45] that happen.
[21:47] >> [clears throat]
[21:47] >> Speaking for myself, this is the first
[21:49] place that I've ever lived where you can
[21:51] leave your doors unlocked at night,
[21:53] where my kids can run through the
[21:55] neighborhood without fear, without
[21:57] concern,
[21:58] where the community still means
[22:00] something.
[22:01] To me, that's worth protecting.
[22:03] This place is a piece of bottled up
[22:06] Americana that, to be honest with you, I really thought only existed in movies
[22:10] before I moved here.
[22:12] I don't believe that truck stops or data
[22:14] centers reflect that identity.
[22:16] But this decision isn't mine alone, and
[22:18] to the public, I would ask you, please
[22:20] engage with us.
[22:22] To my colleagues, I would encourage you,
[22:23] please stay the course that we are
[22:24] starting on today with courage and
[22:27] fortitude.
[22:28] Let us move forward into the future with
[22:30] respect for our past, hopes for our
[22:32] future,
[22:33] and the strength of our community at our
[22:36] back. We're all neighbors, and it's
[22:39] beyond past time that we put petty
[22:42] squabbles and personal animus behind us
[22:44] to forge a new future for ourselves as a
[22:46] community.
[22:48] That's all I have.
[22:50] Thank you, Zeke.
[22:56] » [applause]
[22:58] >> Thank you.
[22:59] Patricia. I don't have anything.
[23:04] I don't know if I can follow that up. I
[23:06] don't know if I can.
[23:07] >> [laughter]
[23:08] >> Eric.
[23:10] Yeah.
[23:11] >> [clears throat]
[23:11] >> Um
[23:12] I'm going to put that up on the TV just
[23:14] because I've had such a hard time
[23:16] understanding this to myself that just
[23:19] let me just see it while I try to talk
[23:21] about it. You think Zeke and I talk
[23:23] outside of council,
[23:24] but I had no clue I was going to follow
[23:26] that, so
[23:28] just from
[23:29] and this is kind of talking to my
[23:30] colleagues up here.
[23:32] You know, when you first get elected,
[23:33] you're excited, you believe you can make
[23:35] a difference, and then it really hit,
[23:37] and you feel like you're drowning. You
[23:40] start to see how things work, or maybe
[23:42] more accurately, how things don't work.
[23:45] And
[23:46] for a while,
[23:49] you regret it every day.
[23:52] But then, as you do it, you start to
[23:53] understand see where things break down,
[23:55] think you can make a change,
[23:58] and by that time, new people's coming in
[24:00] that feel the same way you did 2 years
[24:02] ago.
[24:03] So, you got to move up, and you got to
[24:06] let them drown, or try to not let them
[24:08] drown,
[24:09] and it's it's a cycle. And
[24:12] unfortunately, I feel like Commercial
[24:14] Point has fallen into a cycle
[24:17] of repetitiveness, and tonight could be
[24:21] the the night that that repetitiveness
[24:23] is broken.
[24:25] And so, I just wanted to
[24:27] with talking with my colleagues
[24:30] individually about their ideas and the
[24:33] past mayors and council members that
[24:35] actually came up with our ordinances,
[24:38] uh it's obvious that things are getting
[24:41] changed without anybody knowing.
[24:44] And you know, I got to say, hats off to
[24:47] Tays Valley Against Overgrowth that
[24:49] they've opened people's eyes that it's
[24:51] broken.
[24:52] Whether we agree with it or not, it's
[24:54] gotten people out and about,
[24:56] but
[24:58] just doing things by rules
[25:01] like has been done for 50 years, 60
[25:03] years here,
[25:04] we can't do that anymore because it
[25:06] doesn't work. And it's not just here. We
[25:08] learned that with the township recently.
[25:11] We've always just said, "Yeah, we'll do
[25:13] ours, you do yours. Peace. All right.
[25:15] Bring it in." Doesn't work anymore, so
[25:17] that process has changed.
[25:19] So, this is the first step in what we've
[25:23] been doing. We got the council rules.
[25:26] Now, I feel we're at the second step
[25:29] because we know the first step, it
[25:32] didn't work. Or we all wouldn't be here
[25:34] eating pissed, except for
[25:37] our favorite presenters down here that
[25:40] they're just like, "Oh, great. Another
[25:41] eating meeting that we have to present
[25:44] place to." Phenomenal.
[25:46] Um [clears throat] so, we're going to
[25:48] have to start legislating that. And that
[25:50] is going to start tonight.
[25:52] We have somebody wants to start a
[25:55] planning commission.
[25:56] We want to have transparency. We want to
[25:59] have those automatic triggers
[26:01] that nobody can throw away in an
[26:05] organizational meeting
[26:07] the first meeting of January every year.
[26:09] Do you know how many things have been
[26:10] changed
[26:12] in the last 5 years that nobody knows
[26:14] was even around?
[26:16] I'll tell you what, start looking at the
[26:17] old council rules.
[26:19] It's scary how many things have been
[26:21] changed. They can't do that with
[26:23] legislation. But what I don't want
[26:25] anybody to do is get that confused with
[26:27] a charter because that's been used here.
[26:29] We are not changing our type of
[26:32] government, how it operates, or
[26:34] anything.
[26:35] Uh somebody that I look up to in the
[26:38] legal world
[26:40] said, "So, it's just like guardrails."
[26:43] I'm like, "Right."
[26:44] You know what? We had to make a change
[26:46] coming into town, 35 all the way in.
[26:48] Why? Because people was crashing into
[26:50] houses.
[26:52] What worked it? So, what was we going to
[26:54] do? Put guardrails. But we're going to
[26:56] try the speed thing first.
[26:58] If it works, we don't need guardrails.
[26:59] If so, we need guardrails. Well, if we
[27:01] do that for our roadways, why wouldn't
[27:03] we do that for where y'all's money goes?
[27:05] I just don't I don't get it. So, you're
[27:08] going to see real quick, our next
[27:09] council meeting is probably going to
[27:10] have seven or eight pieces of
[27:11] legislation, and it all works to this.
[27:14] It is going to make it so there is a
[27:16] process for a property. There is a
[27:19] process for
[27:22] everything, and those processes trigger
[27:25] automatic notification.
[27:27] This is not about administration not
[27:30] doing it right. They are operating under
[27:32] the very broken system that they've been
[27:34] handed,
[27:36] and doing what has always been done.
[27:39] And if I have heard one thing from
[27:41] everybody, it's
[27:44] the way it's always been done ain't the
[27:47] way it's going to be done going to the
[27:48] future.
[27:49] And in my opinion and the individual
[27:52] council members that I've talked to,
[27:54] this is where we think it needs to go,
[27:57] and I don't think we can do it as a
[27:58] package,
[28:00] but it just needs to happen. So, that we
[28:03] don't end up here. Listen, we've priced
[28:05] our farmers out of their business. We priced them
[28:09] out. Why? Because everybody wants to be
[28:12] here.
[28:14] We've priced them out. Well, we got to
[28:16] make sure that we don't price ourselves
[28:18] out
[28:19] so that our homes are no longer
[28:21] affordable for us.
[28:23] Thank Thank you. I appreciate that.
[28:30] Well, um we'll move on to my uh
[28:32] legislative time.
[28:34] >> Oh, no, it's you. Sorry. I'm sorry.
[28:36] >> [laughter]
[28:37] >> Thank you for trying to keep me
[28:39] straight. I appreciate that.
[28:42] I'm sorry. Unintentionally dovetailing
[28:45] on what you're saying there, um a couple
[28:47] things. One, yes, the planning
[28:48] commission legislation uh one that that
[28:51] I feel strongly about, yes, will be
[28:53] brought up in the COW for us to take
[28:55] action on and have discussion on to make
[28:57] sure that we do get that right, and to
[28:59] make sure that we do have another layer
[29:02] of
[29:03] uh of our citizens
[29:06] watching our zoning, watching where
[29:08] we're going, their future, helping with
[29:09] our uh zoning, our comprehensive plan.
[29:12] Absolutely. So, we will have that. Uh
[29:14] the one thing that I do want to come up,
[29:15] and I'm going to bring for [snorts] a
[29:17] vote today, is something that I noticed
[29:19] when I sat on the other side there,
[29:21] um as late as last year, was that in our
[29:26] rules, in our council rules, we did not
[29:28] have a
[29:31] guardrails, if you will, but standards
[29:33] in which we conduct ourselves uh during
[29:36] our meetings with respect and decorum
[29:39] and and how we actually go through um
[29:42] interacting with the public. So, I I'm
[29:45] going to make a motion on, and I did
[29:46] submit these to you and I actually made
[29:48] sure that we add section 10
[29:51] to our
[29:53] council rules. So,
[29:56] I'm going to make a motion
[29:58] to add these to our council rules. If I
[30:00] could have a second. Second.
[30:03] Discussion.
[30:07] Um
[30:09] I don't see anything in this could be
[30:11] nitpicking, but I don't see anything of
[30:15] definitions
[30:17] to even give a
[30:19] I mean, what's professional to a well
[30:20] digger is going to be different than
[30:22] professional to a banker.
[30:24] I don't know that this is I know it's a
[30:27] rule and not an ordinance, but
[30:29] doesn't that leave a lot open to
[30:30] interpretation?
[30:31] >> It It does and I believe it and that's
[30:33] why in there it gives
[30:35] the presiding officer that latitude.
[30:40] Isn't that already under Robert's Rules,
[30:43] Bill?
[30:45] Robert's Rules calls for decorum. I
[30:46] don't know that it addresses everything
[30:48] in there.
[30:50] Do you feel we're okay with it the way
[30:52] it is or do we should we add some sort
[30:54] of a definition of
[30:56] I just saw this. Yeah. I'm not prepared
[30:59] to Okay. speak on it. That would be my
[31:01] only thing. You would have to look at
[31:02] Robert's Rules. Yeah, that would be my
[31:04] only thing and Dustin not to blindside
[31:07] you, but I didn't think of this until
[31:10] well, you know, about 14 seconds ago.
[31:13] Um that would be my concern is if we do
[31:16] this and it contradicts Robert's Rules.
[31:21] are tested procedurally
[31:23] and by the courts.
[31:25] I don't know if this would put us in a
[31:28] in an I'm getting a no, so I guess I'm
[31:30] >> Robert's Rules would come second to
[31:31] anything that's in your council rules.
[31:33] Okay. If there was a hole in your
[31:35] council rules.
[31:36] Okay. So,
[31:38] we would just have to make sure that
[31:41] future mayors and presidents of council
[31:43] know what's Robert's Rules or what's
[31:45] council rules.
[31:48] Okay.
[31:50] I'm not mad at it.
[31:52] My uh
[31:53] my concerns with this I I I I like the
[31:56] thought of it.
[31:58] Um
[31:59] the one piece that I
[32:01] kind of take in
[32:02] some concern with is 10.04,
[32:06] the dress code. Um
[32:08] I'm just concerned about the uh the
[32:12] effects that might have on members'
[32:15] first amendment rights. So,
[32:18] um
[32:21] That's That's my concern with this.
[32:23] Everything else
[32:25] I'm with it.
[32:27] So, You're speaking specifically to the
[32:31] dress code.
[32:32] >> Yeah.
[32:33] The clothing like with the wording and
[32:36] Right.
[32:37] Well, just to add a
[32:40] pure devil's advocate.
[32:43] What if we do away with that by just
[32:46] having some nice embroidered shirts that
[32:49] are our meeting shirts or something?
[32:50] >> about that in the council. They didn't want it. Well, at that time
[32:55] this is a totally different piece.
[32:56] >> [snorts]
[32:56] >> I know. I I mean I I'm not saying
[32:59] definitely, but is that a compromise cuz
[33:02] I mean, I wouldn't like that cuz I
[33:03] couldn't wear my supply shirts, but
[33:06] I mean, if that takes away bickering
[33:08] over a backwards hat,
[33:10] then so be it.
[33:16] I mean, I'm not opposed to it. I guess
[33:18] my my kind of thought with that one with
[33:21] the dress code aspect is I mean, we have
[33:24] US senators that wear Carhartt hoodies
[33:27] and shorts to
[33:30] meetings.
[33:30] >> You can say better than LA. Yeah, I
[33:31] mean, yeah. I mean, I think most people
[33:33] probably know, but I'm just saying when
[33:35] you talk about in a professional manner,
[33:37] okay, well,
[33:40] can I not wear my hoodie? Cuz I changed
[33:42] today before I came because I was like,
[33:44] oh no, I need to
[33:46] look a certain way. But I mean, that was
[33:49] kind of my thought with that. I guess I
[33:50] do see where you're coming from, Zeke,
[33:52] with the first amendment. That I do see
[33:55] that, but I like the premise of this. I mean, I
[33:59] because we don't have anything like this
[34:02] in there and I do believe that I think
[34:05] we all know um
[34:07] it it's probably necessary.
[34:10] And as I explained before,
[34:12] this went back a year or so ago noticing
[34:15] that we didn't have Yeah. And then I
[34:16] asked previously, we don't have these as
[34:18] you use guardrails, right? Standards
[34:21] that if you know, we're here to serve
[34:23] the public, we should actually
[34:25] represent them in a higher standard and
[34:27] that's kind of where this was
[34:30] Yeah. aimed toward, not specifically to
[34:31] pigeonhole anybody or to take anybody's
[34:33] rights away, but to set that standard
[34:36] where
[34:37] ourselves and future
[34:40] members of the council uh should look
[34:42] to. And so, we have something to look
[34:44] for if Yeah. If someone were to come in,
[34:46] hey, what are your rules of decorum?
[34:47] Well, that's goes to Robert's Rules if
[34:49] you're by default, but Yeah. you know,
[34:51] if you don't have anything that you have
[34:52] that you're going to set a standard and
[34:54] at some point if we need to amend that
[34:56] or change that or remove that,
[34:58] I I'm not opposed to those
[34:59] conversations. I'm not opposed to, you
[35:01] know, having a certain uniform and and I
[35:03] don't know what the senator from
[35:05] Pennsylvania, what he has to incur.
[35:08] Maybe they have a fine in Senate because
[35:09] he has I don't know.
[35:10] >> There might be I I don't know. There
[35:11] might be. I never thought Of course that
[35:12] is not imposed here. There's no fine, of
[35:14] course here, but
[35:15] um
[35:16] it it gives us So, instead of being
[35:18] broad, could we go the other way? Can
[35:21] you list specific things that
[35:23] you can't have?
[35:25] And not just professional. You can't
[35:28] have a hat
[35:29] when you're at the bench. You can't have
[35:31] a You know, well, and just leave it. I
[35:33] mean, don't even put professional
[35:35] standard. Just say you shall not. Boom.
[35:39] I I mean,
[35:41] what would that be if there was a
[35:42] distinct
[35:43] >> a certain You could prepare a make a a
[35:45] list of certain things that could be
[35:46] debated for hours.
[35:48] >> Well,
[35:49] but is it a is it a way if there are
[35:51] certain things that are bothering you
[35:53] right now that that put this on your
[35:55] heart today?
[35:57] Let's list them, discuss them. If we can
[36:00] come to a somewhat of an agreement, we
[36:01] add them and if more come up, we discuss
[36:03] them and we add them. That's why rules
[36:05] can be changed
[36:07] as a working out. And that goes by your
[36:08] point as what you mentioned before,
[36:10] which is why which is why it kind of
[36:12] works
[36:12] >> Oh, does it? Yeah, I mean, that's
[36:13] exactly
[36:14] right.
[36:15] So,
[36:17] it and that's
[36:18] and I have no issues with that. If if
[36:21] we're not ready to move forward on this
[36:23] and you want to have those types of
[36:25] conversation, that's why I was hoping to have that ahead of time.
[36:29] Uh we could have worked some of those
[36:31] details out. If there's something
[36:32] specific that is
[36:36] has any heartburn with anybody
[36:37] specifically, if we should
[36:39] list something specific or if there are
[36:41] items. I did try to keep these
[36:44] non-specific
[36:46] as a list because I mean, you could you
[36:48] could make a list 10 pages long and
[36:51] nitpick every single one. And you know,
[36:53] rather than just having a general
[36:56] standard that we can abide by and maybe
[36:58] dis- disagree on. That's I have no
[37:00] problem with that. But rather than
[37:02] nitpicking because somebody has a
[37:03] different type of sock,
[37:05] uh
[37:06] that's that totally avoids the whole the
[37:08] whole purpose of this. Will Bill still
[37:10] not wear that ugly suit jacket?
[37:12] >> [laughter]
[37:13] >> No, that other one. The gray one or the
[37:15] red one?
[37:19] I'll just say I you know, I think from me personally, we we we made you
[37:23] council
[37:24] president and I you know, if this is on
[37:27] your heart to do and you feel like it's
[37:29] important, I don't think it's anything
[37:30] we're not already doing.
[37:32] So, I
[37:33] you know, my support can move forward
[37:34] with this. So, without going through the
[37:35] process of laying it, do we just want to
[37:38] Yeah. vote on it or do we take it or
[37:40] not?
[37:41] Yeah. You got a first and a second. You
[37:43] have to Wait, wait, wait. wait, wait,
[37:47] You had a first and a second. You had
[37:48] discussion. You can either table it or
[37:50] you can vote on it now, friends. Vote.
[37:53] Yes.
[37:54] Vote. I make a motion to adopt. Roll call.
[38:02] Yes. Jared. Yes. Zeke. Yes. Patricia.
[38:05] Yes. Courtney. Yes. Dustin. Yes.
[38:10] Thank you.
[38:11] Congratulations, sir, on your first.
[38:15] All right, Jay, sorry for the delay on
[38:17] that.
[38:18] >> problem.
[38:19] >> [laughter]
[38:19] >> I know your name came up earlier in in
[38:21] the meeting. I didn't know if you wanted
[38:22] to add anything to that or you have
[38:24] You did a great job explaining what what
[38:26] went on. Everything went well, so Okay.
[38:28] Did you have any concerns out of
[38:30] the meeting?
[38:32] Yeah. Just a just a time frame. They came up with a time frame that was
[38:36] seemed to be unreasonable to me.
[38:39] But other than that, I mean, you know,
[38:40] everything that they brought in would
[38:42] have to be voted on by emergency, which
[38:44] we decided we weren't going to do.
[38:47] We were going to
[38:48] make everybody wait the whole 90 days
[38:51] on everything that was talked about. So,
[38:53] that's our only thing that really
[38:54] concerned me.
[38:54] >> it have to be emergency?
[38:56] Do what? Why would it have to be
[38:57] emergency?
[38:58] Something to do with a rebate for solar
[39:01] that they were going to be able to get,
[39:02] but they had to turn it in by a certain
[39:04] date and they had to show What I'm
[39:06] hearing is their lack of planning has
[39:07] now become our emergency. Th- Yeah.
[39:10] That That's what they were hoping.
[39:12] Okay.
[39:13] But other than that, everything else
[39:15] seemed more than reasonable. They got
[39:16] They were bringing in a lot of good
[39:17] jobs, going to have a lot of people
[39:19] hired, so
[39:22] it would help the community.
[39:24] Thank you. Thanks for taking your time
[39:25] today. Thanks, Jay. You bet.
[39:28] All right, committee reports. Land Use
[39:30] Committee. Do you want to Yeah, so we
[39:33] set a new chair.
[39:35] We're lucky enough to meet with some
[39:36] potential developers.
[39:38] Um
[39:39] and then
[39:40] our next meeting is going to be April
[39:42] 15th.
[39:43] So, tax day?
[39:46] Tax evening. Take your Take your mind
[39:48] off of these things.
[39:50] We can talk about the city of Hilliard.
[39:53] Thank you. Appreciate that.
[39:54] [clears throat]
[39:56] Okay, now we're public comments. Keep in
[39:59] mind we have several of them signed up.
[40:01] As I call your name, please step
[40:02] forward,
[40:04] um, indicate your address, and you will
[40:06] have 5 minutes to speak
[40:09] on the topic that you choose. Uh, first
[40:11] on the list, Ron Jan.
[40:18] My name is Ron Jan.
[40:19] I'm a not a resident of the village. I'm
[40:22] a Norwich Township trustee. I live on
[40:24] 104, south of town. If you'll indulge
[40:27] me, I would like to speak briefly on
[40:28] something from the township and then
[40:29] something about myself.
[40:32] Um, the concerns that I have
[40:34] uh,
[40:35] as a trustee is I've been contacted by
[40:37] some township residents expressing
[40:40] concerns about the development on McCord
[40:43] Road.
[40:44] Uh, questions I couldn't answer. Uh,
[40:47] what is the plan for McCord Road
[40:50] to handle the extra traffic? As we all
[40:52] know,
[40:53] the village annexed back then a portion
[40:56] of the road like the center line there,
[40:59] but you get beyond that, that road is
[41:00] very narrow
[41:02] and it's
[41:03] not in great shape.
[41:05] And, you know, from the discussions we
[41:07] have,
[41:08] I don't know that the township has the
[41:10] funds to redo that road on either side
[41:13] of what the village has, so
[41:16] my concern or concern I had from
[41:17] residents was
[41:20] is there something that you guys can do
[41:22] that have a developer
[41:24] absorb some of that cost or what's the
[41:26] plan for the additional traffic or
[41:29] um,
[41:30] those type of questions. If anybody has
[41:32] anything else, they can reach out to one
[41:34] of us trustees and discuss it with us.
[41:38] Um,
[41:39] and that's all I have as a trustee. Ron,
[41:40] would you stay through our additional
[41:42] business so we can
[41:44] talk back and forth about that?
[41:46] About the road? Mhm. Yeah, I can stay.
[41:48] Thank you.
[41:49] Sorry, Dustin. Nope, it's fine.
[41:51] Um, so the other part comes as me
[41:53] personally.
[41:55] Um,
[41:56] I'm sure everybody's watched our meeting
[41:57] from last Thursday. There was a little
[41:59] bit of a heated discussion.
[42:01] Oops, not a little bit, it was a lot of
[42:02] heated discussion,
[42:04] and I want to apologize to the community
[42:05] for losing my temper.
[42:07] I'm not going to apologize for what I
[42:09] said because I still stand behind it,
[42:11] but I should have been adult enough to
[42:12] not lose my temper and do that.
[42:14] being said, since then,
[42:16] uh,
[42:18] my character, my reputation, and several
[42:21] things have been trashed on social media
[42:24] since then.
[42:26] So, I am here to clear the air.
[42:29] I have not received any payments, any
[42:31] money, was involved in any discussions
[42:34] with
[42:36] data centers, land development,
[42:39] anything like that. The anything I did
[42:40] was a video that popped up on social
[42:42] media today.
[42:44] Shows me sitting in the council meeting
[42:45] back there,
[42:47] and I want to explain that.
[42:49] I was asked by the developer, my mom
[42:51] owned 5 acres.
[42:53] That was all she owned. That was all I
[42:55] was involved in.
[42:56] My uncle owned the other thing. He sold
[42:59] that. He bought the land, it was his to
[43:02] sell.
[43:03] I'm old school, I believe in land
[43:05] owner's rights. He wrote the check, he
[43:07] should be able to do what he wanted to
[43:08] do.
[43:09] He sold it to the developer. I asked him
[43:10] not to sell it, to keep it. He chose to
[43:13] sell it.
[43:14] The developer wrote the check and bought
[43:15] it, so that's it.
[43:17] The night that I was in the council
[43:18] meeting,
[43:20] I was asked to come. My mom had had a
[43:21] stroke, she couldn't come
[43:23] by herself.
[43:25] So, I was asked to come and just
[43:27] basically tell the council that mom had
[43:29] decided to sell her property on her own.
[43:32] That's what I did.
[43:34] I decided to stay and listen to the
[43:35] council meeting.
[43:37] Um, I sat right there in that chair
[43:40] watching the TV.
[43:42] wouldn't work.
[43:44] Mayor Goldhart came out in the room,
[43:46] tried to fix the TV. I was the only one
[43:48] here, only one in the room.
[43:51] He said, "I'm not going to stand here
[43:52] and try to fix this." He said,
[43:55] "Come back here, sit in the corner,
[43:56] don't say a word."
[43:58] He said you'll get the same effect as
[43:59] watching TV, so that's what I did.
[44:01] Anybody can watch the minutes from that
[44:03] meeting.
[44:04] That's what I did. I had no input, no
[44:05] thing. I just sat there and listened the
[44:06] same as I would have been listening on
[44:07] this TV.
[44:09] I've been accused of all kinds of stuff.
[44:12] Tonia,
[44:13] I have nothing.
[44:14] I have given almost 40 years of my life
[44:18] to public service.
[44:19] I was a firefighter, paramedic, and
[44:22] retired as a lieutenant from Jackson
[44:23] Township North City
[44:25] for almost 30 years.
[44:27] Since then, I was a township trustee for
[44:28] 4 years. There was 2 years I wasn't, and
[44:31] then I'm back in again. I've been 2
[44:32] years again. The date on that thing
[44:34] posted
[44:35] in 2022, I was not even a township
[44:38] trustee.
[44:39] I had messed up my petition and couldn't
[44:41] run.
[44:42] So, the characterization that I was a
[44:44] council trustee sitting in that building
[44:46] is completely false.
[44:49] I was not there I'm as a trustee. I was
[44:51] there as Ron Jan representing my mother,
[44:54] but when I went back in that room, I was
[44:56] just a citizen that could have been
[44:57] sitting out there, but the mayor and
[44:58] assistant invited me back so he could be
[45:00] back in there
[45:02] and not do that. So, I guess to my
[45:04] point,
[45:06] I hope that this is not what our
[45:08] community has come down to.
[45:10] You know, if somebody has a disagreement
[45:11] with somebody,
[45:14] they just trash them to no end.
[45:19] Yeah, because if that's what it's come
[45:20] down to, maybe I don't need to belong to
[45:22] this community.
[45:23] I've been here for 55 years.
[45:26] Not many people can say that.
[45:30] So, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Jan.
[45:34] Next up, I have Scott O'Neal.
[45:38] 9217 McCord Road.
[45:42] I'm here to speak again, just like Ron
[45:44] did, about McCord Road.
[45:46] Asking the village
[45:48] to go to the developer
[45:50] for the project on McCord and the rest
[45:51] roads to ask them
[45:54] to enhance the roads around there.
[45:57] Off-site improvements
[45:59] are typical of developments.
[46:02] It is not a problem for the developer to
[46:03] be asked and or possibly mandated
[46:07] to fix McCord Road
[46:09] with whether it needs base repairs,
[46:11] complete replacement,
[46:13] widening, things like that.
[46:16] Not opposed to development happening.
[46:19] There just needs to be steps
[46:21] that this council
[46:23] ensures are taken.
[46:25] The township had a
[46:27] one of their medics
[46:28] sideswipe mirrors with a dually not far
[46:30] from my house on McCord Road.
[46:32] School buses can't pass each other
[46:34] without driving off the road to go
[46:36] around. They're literally in the grass
[46:38] heading towards the ditch to pass by
[46:41] each other.
[46:42] That's not safe.
[46:44] The village needs to hold the developer
[46:45] accountable.
[46:47] Jack and I spoke after the last meeting.
[46:49] He knows where I stand.
[46:51] I was on council, and I worked with Jack
[46:53] in the past.
[46:55] He is always willing to listen.
[46:59] And that's what council needs to do is
[47:00] they need to go to him
[47:02] and negotiate now
[47:04] instead of waiting to the very last
[47:05] minute.
[47:07] As far as data centers
[47:09] at Direct 104,
[47:11] I'm not saying data centers are good or
[47:12] bad. I don't look at them like that. I I
[47:14] don't worry about that, that's land
[47:16] owner rights. Whatever they want to do,
[47:18] it's their land, do whatever they want.
[47:21] If someone doesn't like it, they should
[47:22] have bought it.
[47:25] I called the economic development
[47:27] director of Hilliard.
[47:28] The data centers in Hilliard
[47:31] provide enough jobs that puts them
[47:33] within the top five employer within the
[47:36] city of Hilliard.
[47:38] Everybody always says that there's no
[47:39] jobs in data centers.
[47:41] Hilliard disagrees.
[47:43] I've looked up home values
[47:45] right around data centers in Hilliard.
[47:48] Every year they go up.
[47:49] There's no decrease in home value. I
[47:51] don't know where that comes from.
[47:54] I can't say whether the air's clean, I
[47:56] don't know.
[47:58] I don't study that. I'm not
[47:59] knowledgeable of that. I don't want to
[48:00] try to speak to that.
[48:02] People say data centers make noise.
[48:04] Maybe some do, I don't know. I stopped
[48:07] at one in Dublin off of 161.
[48:09] Went in the little court where their
[48:10] entrance was, stopped, shut the truck
[48:12] off, got out.
[48:14] Didn't hear a sound.
[48:16] Not as much as a peep.
[48:18] And as I'm sitting there, somebody pulls
[48:20] up to go to the gate to go into this,
[48:21] and it's an Amazon data center.
[48:24] The loudest thing on that whole court
[48:26] was somebody forgot to oil the gate, and
[48:27] as the gate went up, it made the
[48:30] noise going all the way up. That was the
[48:31] only sound you could hear.
[48:34] So, I don't know
[48:36] where some of this stuff comes from, and
[48:37] I'm not saying it applies to all data
[48:39] centers,
[48:40] but just that one I've been by,
[48:42] the ones I've actually looked at with
[48:43] Hilliard, that economic development
[48:45] director, I asked him if he could go
[48:47] back in time,
[48:48] would he invite data centers to
[48:49] Hilliard?
[48:50] He said, "Absolutely."
[48:52] They've provided millions and millions
[48:54] of dollars.
[48:55] And I know money's not everything,
[48:58] but money can help
[49:00] kids that are less fortunate play ball
[49:02] over here when they're growing up.
[49:05] You know, I've talked to some people
[49:06] that said the only reason they can play
[49:07] ball over here when they were little was
[49:09] because of nice donations.
[49:12] Maybe the data centers are going to be
[49:14] banned in the future.
[49:16] If you guys choose that, that's fine.
[49:18] Maybe we have one that's going to sneak
[49:20] in under the wire.
[49:22] Maybe rather than fighting it,
[49:24] maybe we work with it.
[49:26] Maybe we ask them for big donations.
[49:27] Maybe we ask them for
[49:30] different things.
[49:32] Every event that the city of Hilliard
[49:33] has is sponsored by Amazon.
[49:36] Every one.
[49:38] It's not a conflict of interest, it's
[49:39] not an ethical dilemma.
[49:41] There's nothing to look into.
[49:43] I know everybody wants to scream that
[49:45] down here,
[49:46] but it's been done. It's tried, it's
[49:48] true,
[49:49] it's legal, it's feasible.
[49:51] Just have to ask.
[49:53] And it's it's a cooperation between
[49:56] developers,
[49:57] cooperation between Amazon,
[50:00] and it's cooperation between the
[50:01] village.
[50:03] Just something to take think about.
[50:05] Call the economic development director
[50:07] in Hilliard. I'll give you his number.
[50:09] I gave it to Ezekiel. I'm not sure if he
[50:11] called him or not.
[50:14] Said he would.
[50:16] He'd probably tell him the same thing he
[50:17] told me.
[50:19] So, we don't have to go broke
[50:22] fighting Amazon.
[50:23] We could work with them. We could have
[50:25] big mounds, we could have 30-ft piles of
[50:27] dirt around the place
[50:29] where it'd never be seen from the road.
[50:31] Put trees and dirt.
[50:33] I'm sure if you ask them, they'll
[50:34] probably like cut a check and put dirt
[50:36] and trees up.
[50:38] Just have to ask.
[50:40] Thank you. Thanks, Scott.
[50:45] Jason Height.
[50:47] Uh 72 Chambers Bay Road.
[50:50] Uh good afternoon everybody or good
[50:52] evening. Um
[50:55] So, I don't have 55 years here.
[50:57] I've got about 9 months here.
[51:00] So, but my wife and I
[51:02] moved here after almost 30 years in the
[51:04] military and 4 years retiring after
[51:07] that.
[51:07] Um ask me 2 years ago,
[51:10] I didn't know what Commercial Point was.
[51:12] I knew where Ohio was. That's about it.
[51:16] So,
[51:17] my wife and I decided, being particular,
[51:20] we're moving to a new community,
[51:22] not moving again,
[51:24] to the best of our knowledge.
[51:26] And I can get into the local politics
[51:28] and find out what's going on here.
[51:30] So, you all have seen me sitting here,
[51:32] haven't made any noise, just thought I'd
[51:34] sit back and listen. I went to a trustee
[51:36] meeting
[51:37] and I saw enough there and made a
[51:39] decision to sit here.
[51:40] Um I went through some of the
[51:42] resolutions and ordinances. I just have
[51:44] some questions on it that maybe you guys
[51:45] think about what you're talking about.
[51:47] All right?
[51:48] Uh resolution nine
[51:51] has a 180-day moratorium um moratorium.
[51:54] Okay, section 1A allows
[51:56] zoning and rezoning that's currently in
[51:58] the legislative process to continue.
[52:01] 1B and 1C don't have that.
[52:04] Okay, so you have resolution 08 2026
[52:08] having its first reading tonight.
[52:10] 07 2026, an ordinance
[52:14] 2026-05 both have their second reading
[52:16] tonight. And resolution one
[52:19] uh 2026 is currently taped. So, do those
[52:22] get to continue?
[52:24] It's not in that resolution that they
[52:25] get to continue if you guys pass this
[52:28] tonight.
[52:29] Okay?
[52:30] Uh ordinance Oh,
[52:32] and 1E applies to data centers.
[52:35] So, I'm not sure why you have a 180-day
[52:37] moratorium on this resolution for data
[52:39] centers
[52:40] when ordinance
[52:42] 26-0
[52:43] 09
[52:45] has an 18-month
[52:46] moratorium on
[52:48] data centers. So, I don't know if it's a
[52:49] backup plan or
[52:51] they work coordinate or whatever that
[52:52] may be.
[52:54] Um
[52:56] issue with doing ordinances 09 and 10
[52:59] is
[53:02] 10 identifies two properties
[53:05] that
[53:05] apparently,
[53:07] to my knowledge,
[53:08] um have approval at some point, whether
[53:10] that's 2023
[53:12] ordinance which you guys are trying to
[53:13] consider or not,
[53:16] I'm not sure.
[53:18] Okay?
[53:19] Section four identifies those. It also
[53:22] states that
[53:23] um
[53:27] the discontinuance of such use that has
[53:30] been granted with that for 12 months
[53:32] uh
[53:33] would then terminate the non-conforming
[53:35] status.
[53:36] So, if you go into an 18-month
[53:38] moratorium, that exceeds the 12 months.
[53:41] So, are they by default not able to be a
[53:43] data center?
[53:46] So, that's the question.
[53:47] Uh
[53:49] So,
[53:50] in summary,
[53:51] uh are the two properties that are
[53:52] identified allowed to move forward
[53:54] legally?
[53:55] Okay? If they are, I think the council
[53:58] needs to look at that reality once you
[53:59] go through this evening and whether 180
[54:02] days or 18 months to figure out the
[54:04] risks
[54:05] uh that can be mitigated that have been
[54:07] identified. They've got cooling systems
[54:09] now. AWS does that. I did that research
[54:12] today. Noise mitigation. Okay?
[54:15] Um whatever your results are, up front
[54:17] announce it to the residents and the
[54:19] community as a whole.
[54:21] And if you go forward with it because
[54:24] legally through the courts they say you
[54:25] have to, are you guys planning that out
[54:27] beforehand?
[54:29] Then work with the developers as
[54:30] discussed earlier.
[54:31] And if not,
[54:33] you guys are the conscious we voted for.
[54:35] So, thank you.
[54:41] Okay, next up is Mike Helser.
[54:45] I'm at 313 Creekview Drive.
[54:47] Um my name is Mike Helser. Um
[54:50] we uh purchased or we're new to the
[54:51] community. We purchased our home. Um
[54:53] we're the second owner. Um
[54:55] I'm here to speak regarding the
[54:56] continued flooding that is occurring on
[54:58] our property. Um I do have photos of
[55:01] them I'll pass around.
[55:08] Um due to being the second owner of this
[55:09] property, uh I don't have the dates as
[55:12] to when the issue began. The property
[55:13] and the drains were placed on those at
[55:15] 311 uh Creekview. The flooding is
[55:18] affecting our property on 313 along with
[55:20] 309.
[55:22] Uh there is a field behind the homes on
[55:24] Creekview Drive that has the runoff um
[55:26] the river water that flows down the
[55:28] property of 311 that's flowing onto
[55:30] other properties.
[55:31] Um I also have student works individuals
[55:33] when the storm catch basins were placed
[55:36] and no one can advise me of the date.
[55:38] Um my wife and I have been in contact
[55:40] with numerous people regarding the
[55:41] continued issues. We have spoken with
[55:43] Dave Riley, the village administrator,
[55:46] um Mike Schrockman in the street
[55:47] department, Charles Baker, personally
[55:49] contacted DR Horton,
[55:51] um Brian Wilkins who is a resident
[55:53] residential building official in the
[55:55] city of Circleville,
[55:57] um Trish Anderson uh Omni Group um with
[56:00] the HOA. We contacted AEP, uh Pickaway
[56:02] County, um Devin Weller who is the
[56:05] landowner of property behind,
[56:07] um and also Jack um
[56:09] with uh DR Horton.
[56:11] Uh we were told by Dave Riley Charles
[56:13] Baker that once the if once and if the
[56:15] development goes behind our houses that
[56:17] um the problem would be fixed, but at
[56:19] this time we have no idea when that will
[56:21] happen.
[56:22] Um when and you know, if it will be
[56:24] fixed.
[56:26] If
[56:27] and then if the draining or drainage
[56:29] would be corrected um you know, and stay
[56:32] fixed. But there's no guarantee. As you
[56:34] can see from the photos, our electrical
[56:36] box, internet box is almost completely
[56:38] submerged. This is
[56:39] uh not only a flooding issue, but a
[56:41] safety issue in our backyard. The
[56:42] electrical box, internet box
[56:44] um during the time of flooding were
[56:45] almost completely submerged. Um both
[56:48] boxes were only an inch away from being
[56:50] completely under water per AEP. And
[56:52] after speaking with Taylor at AEP, she
[56:54] stated that it is not considered a
[56:56] safety issue or to be moved until the
[56:58] electrical box is completely out of
[57:00] power. Um she stated they would not turn
[57:02] our electric electric back on until we
[57:04] fix the inspection.
[57:06] Um then this would be up to the
[57:08] homeowner as to you know, when the
[57:10] drains are fixed in their yard. Um they
[57:12] would need to be inspected and approved.
[57:15] Um
[57:16] the neighbor uh
[57:18] the neighbor at 309 and my wife both
[57:20] work from home. Uh they would both be
[57:22] out of employment until you know, this
[57:25] resolved and um you know, our electric's
[57:27] turned back on. Um we can't make any
[57:30] improvements or put anything in place in
[57:32] our backyard
[57:33] uh because of the risk of flooding and
[57:34] damage to our property. Um it's like the
[57:37] fence that was already installed when we
[57:39] purchased our home. Our homes are also
[57:42] not considered in a flood zone. So, if
[57:44] there is damage to our property, I'm
[57:45] being told that it would not be covered
[57:47] because we're not in a flood zone.
[57:49] After speaking to text and email with
[57:51] Charles Baker and Jack with DR Horton,
[57:53] Charles Baker stated that the HOA would
[57:55] come out and clean the drains and to
[57:57] make sure that there was no obstructions
[57:58] um in the flow of the water.
[58:00] Uh we were told it was completed. The
[58:01] flooding still occurred again after that
[58:03] on March 24th.
[58:05] They are aware that um the pipe that
[58:07] it's a French drain, it's a 4-in pipe.
[58:10] Um and that the last update that we
[58:12] received from Jack
[58:14] with DR Horton is that they were going
[58:16] to cut windows or holes in the three
[58:17] sides of the uh the drains
[58:20] um adjacent to the field. They are
[58:22] stating that these holes will allow
[58:23] significantly more storm water into the
[58:26] storm lane their storm drains.
[58:28] Uh I want to know is there going to be a
[58:29] push uh with the issue regarding the
[58:32] continued flooding if there isn't a
[58:33] resolution from I'm being advised
[58:35] numerous homes are being affected by
[58:38] improper draining in our community. Can
[58:40] the council push to go through and hold
[58:42] DR Horton accountable for this?
[58:45] It should not be up to the homeowners
[58:46] when DR Horton is aware
[58:48] uh that the pipe that they had put in
[58:49] was too small. Uh after listening to
[58:52] everything I have provided including
[58:54] documentation,
[58:55] um I want to know if you know, if and
[58:58] when approved for the the homes being
[59:00] built behind us, will there be continued
[59:03] um will will there be continued
[59:05] accountability for like the drainage
[59:07] like once they're installed? And can we
[59:10] have legislation that if it is
[59:12] installed, can this draining issue be
[59:14] fixed before anything else
[59:16] um set forth for the development? That's
[59:20] what I'd like to ask.
[59:23] During this time period, we just do
[59:24] public comments. So, at this point we
[59:26] won't be able to answer the questions.
[59:28] Public comment. Okay. Public comment.
[59:30] Thank you. You're sure.
[59:32] Thank
[59:36] Corey Wasmes
[59:44] Good evening. Corey Wasmes, 12930 Gibson
[59:48] Road.
[59:49] Uh first of all, thank you all for
[59:51] all you've done.
[59:53] I'm just going to speak from the heart.
[59:54] I don't really have too much prepared,
[59:55] but uh
[59:56] like Trustee Jan, I did want to bring
[59:57] that up first thing, you know, with the
[59:59] court road. It is a very narrow road. Uh
[1:00:01] I know working that when we were
[1:00:03] snowplowing, thinking it's kind of odd
[1:00:05] when you first turn off onto it off of
[1:00:07] Durrett, it's kind of sloped down on the
[1:00:09] one side.
[1:00:10] It'd be hard
[1:00:11] very difficult just to widen the thing.
[1:00:13] Uh but if there is a big development to
[1:00:16] go back there, the thing I'm looking you
[1:00:17] guys approved, it'll bring a significant
[1:00:19] amount of added traffic. So, there's no
[1:00:22] doubt it'll be a big impact and who it
[1:00:24] always comes down to who's going to pay
[1:00:25] for that. You know, it's majority it's
[1:00:28] all township road except for that one
[1:00:30] section you guys annexed.
[1:00:32] From what I understand, you only annexed
[1:00:33] to the center line of that road. So,
[1:00:35] it's it's difficult
[1:00:37] right now, but if we can come to some
[1:00:39] kind of agreement, and I know it's
[1:00:40] already been annexed and stuff, but as
[1:00:42] you go through this process, it would
[1:00:43] help greatly if we could help each other
[1:00:46] out instead of it landing on all the tax
[1:00:48] dollar township taxpayers. Uh same kind
[1:00:51] of thing, if I could go personally,
[1:00:53] um I just want to say
[1:00:55] seeing how things have evolved over the last
[1:00:59] 12 months, I'd say,
[1:01:01] um
[1:01:02] from a council where at one point we
[1:01:04] come in and we weren't even sure if we'd
[1:01:06] be allowed to talk or not, you know, uh
[1:01:08] speaking as a resident, to now you guys
[1:01:10] are extremely open, transparent. I mean,
[1:01:12] you guys have made strides.
[1:01:14] I remember back then talking to somebody
[1:01:16] like,
[1:01:17] you know,
[1:01:18] isn't there some people, like some
[1:01:21] patriots, to step up and lead this
[1:01:24] community? And they said,
[1:01:26] you know, it's always been a struggle
[1:01:28] just getting people that want to run.
[1:01:30] But look, what was there? 12, over a
[1:01:33] dozen people that wanted to run and
[1:01:35] different things with
[1:01:36] petitions, they few fell out, but you
[1:01:38] guys, you know, succeeded and you're
[1:01:39] here, and we're glad you're here, and
[1:01:42] the ones that are still here, Eric and
[1:01:44] Jay,
[1:01:45] uh same with you guys, can't say I'm proud of you guys just personally.
[1:01:49] Um
[1:01:50] well in the work bringing in these new
[1:01:51] fellows, Shay, Justin, he's been here,
[1:01:53] kind of seems like he's always been on
[1:01:55] council, he's been through it all. Uh
[1:01:57] now you're sitting in the mayor's spot,
[1:01:59] at least for tonight. So, uh
[1:02:01] appreciate you, but just know
[1:02:03] I know there's somebody standing here
[1:02:04] not too long ago threatening you with
[1:02:06] major litigation, talking about $500,000
[1:02:09] retainers per attorney. I can tell you
[1:02:12] that is very threatening, you know that,
[1:02:14] but I can also tell you there's a lot of
[1:02:16] people that are in this community that
[1:02:18] have your back. They're praying for you.
[1:02:20] They know that what you're up against,
[1:02:22] it's a giant, but we know somebody a lot
[1:02:25] bigger than any giant that's walking
[1:02:27] this earth, so um just know that we're
[1:02:29] here with you and you have all the
[1:02:31] courage and encouragement straight your
[1:02:34] way. So, appreciate all you being here.
[1:02:39] Uh next up, Ken Henning, located
[1:02:41] >> [clears throat]
[1:02:42] >> Is that correct, Ken?
[1:02:46] I got some pictures to pass around. Some
[1:02:48] of them might be some duplicates from
[1:02:49] Mr. Helzer.
[1:02:50] I live at uh 311 Creekview Drive.
[1:02:55] Same kind of like crazy flooding. Um
[1:02:58] he's pretty much spoke on everything,
[1:02:59] but going to the drain problem.
[1:03:02] This is the tile that D.R. Horton put in
[1:03:04] as a secondary drain.
[1:03:06] Some of the pictures you guys will see,
[1:03:08] you see that there's a there's a major
[1:03:09] storm drain which goes to the street.
[1:03:11] This is the tile that goes on the other
[1:03:13] side of the yard, it's right next to
[1:03:15] um Mr. Helzer's property as well.
[1:03:18] So, cutting holes in this
[1:03:22] will not take care of the problem. Last
[1:03:24] time this yard flooded,
[1:03:26] this picked this tile up
[1:03:28] and it laid 6 ft from my house.
[1:03:31] So, that drain is not even it's free
[1:03:34] floating now.
[1:03:36] It rained again, yard's still flooded
[1:03:38] with this tile.
[1:03:40] So, what we're proposing to D.R. Horton
[1:03:42] is to come in and possibly redo this and
[1:03:45] put a bigger box drain in, maybe the
[1:03:47] same size as what's already installed,
[1:03:50] you know, to begin with.
[1:03:52] It's a 24 by 24,
[1:03:55] if I do believe, 24 deep
[1:03:57] box drain that D.R. Horton put in
[1:03:59] originally.
[1:04:00] This right here, this is probably only 4
[1:04:02] in deep.
[1:04:04] And then that pipe, that 4 in pipe then
[1:04:05] runs to the big storm drain,
[1:04:07] and then it goes to the street.
[1:04:09] So,
[1:04:10] that's where I'm at with the flooding.
[1:04:12] >> [snorts]
[1:04:12] >> We just we're asking D.R. Horton to come
[1:04:13] out and
[1:04:15] rip the yard up if they have to, I don't care, but I mean,
[1:04:20] the pictures you'll see there
[1:04:22] of the final grade before the sodding,
[1:04:24] you'll see the significant erosion
[1:04:26] since
[1:04:28] the flooding has happened. So, my yard
[1:04:29] now has a huge slope. The more and more
[1:04:32] this floods, the closer and closer this
[1:04:33] comes to my house.
[1:04:35] The last time that this flooded, it was
[1:04:37] 6 ft from my foundation. My sump pump
[1:04:39] was going crazy.
[1:04:41] We have no flood insurance. If that
[1:04:42] electric goes out, so does my sump.
[1:04:45] So,
[1:04:47] I got to protect my assets and my
[1:04:49] neighbors. Mr. Biggs is going to be up
[1:04:51] here next. You know, I live literally
[1:04:52] right between Helzer
[1:04:54] and Mr. Biggs. So, that's what we're
[1:04:57] just asking for is D.R. Horton just I
[1:04:59] mean,
[1:05:00] help us, you know, I mean, we're trying to protect our assets here.
[1:05:07] So, that's all I got. Thank you.
[1:05:15] Robert Biggs
[1:05:17] I'll go on to my issue with D.R. Horton.
[1:05:18] As you can see, we were all neighbors
[1:05:20] there who all um
[1:05:21] >> [clears throat]
[1:05:21] >> deal with the flooding.
[1:05:23] Um this [snorts] year there's a
[1:05:24] electrical box that was 1 in away from
[1:05:26] blowing and nobody had electricity on
[1:05:28] the whole block. And I don't know if
[1:05:30] D.R. Horton will come back out and
[1:05:32] repair that or how long we'd be out of
[1:05:33] electricity if that ever happens again.
[1:05:35] The small drain that comes through feeds
[1:05:37] into the bigger drain that's uh running
[1:05:39] across our yards.
[1:05:41] So, all that water comes in from that
[1:05:42] field, goes into that small drain that
[1:05:44] feeds into the big drain. That small
[1:05:46] drain, when it feeds into the big drain,
[1:05:47] it was almost up to where that small
[1:05:49] drain couldn't even feed into the big
[1:05:51] drain.
[1:05:52] Um we have over 4 ft of standing water.
[1:05:54] We had ducks out there thinking it was a
[1:05:55] pond.
[1:05:56] It is a lot of water out there, and
[1:05:58] we're just looking for some help from
[1:05:59] D.R. Horton. Um I know we're talking
[1:06:01] about putting some slits in and some
[1:06:02] windows, but
[1:06:04] we don't think that's going to help, but
[1:06:05] we do need some help with the flooding.
[1:06:07] Thank you.
[1:06:13] Last up, uh Bruce Moore.
[1:06:20] 12491 Gibson Road.
[1:06:23] As many of you know, I represent several
[1:06:25] of the developers here in this
[1:06:26] community, including Canova, who
[1:06:28] recently filed a major site plan for the
[1:06:30] same property. [snorts]
[1:06:31] Today, there are four pieces of
[1:06:32] legislation on your agenda.
[1:06:34] Um four pieces of legislation on your
[1:06:36] agenda that directly affect directly
[1:06:38] affect all of the developers in this
[1:06:39] community.
[1:06:41] And what I'm here to ask for today is
[1:06:44] what all of you have mentioned time and
[1:06:46] time again,
[1:06:47] and what many of you ran on,
[1:06:49] transparency. We heard Council member
[1:06:52] Miller say that he wanted the community
[1:06:54] to engage, but yet seems to have intent
[1:06:57] or plan to pass three of these pieces of
[1:06:59] legislation tonight.
[1:07:00] How do we have members of the community
[1:07:03] engage with council if legislation
[1:07:06] that's proposed placed on an agenda on a
[1:07:08] Wednesday or a Thursday before,
[1:07:11] and then it's a holiday. I would say
[1:07:12] that most of the community outside of
[1:07:15] these council members up here haven't
[1:07:17] even seen what's actually on those
[1:07:19] resolutions and those ordinances.
[1:07:21] So, what we're asking for is that you
[1:07:23] give that 90-day opportunity that Jay
[1:07:26] was talking about for legislation.
[1:07:28] Let it work through the process. We
[1:07:30] heard community members tonight speak
[1:07:31] about the benefits of data centers. We
[1:07:34] heard them speak about mitigation.
[1:07:36] And as Mr. Miller mentioned,
[1:07:39] yes, if these get passed, it could lead
[1:07:42] to a fight, but nobody wants to fight.
[1:07:44] But who's not going to protect their
[1:07:46] property rights? You heard people here
[1:07:47] today that are trying to protect their
[1:07:48] property rights from flooding.
[1:07:50] Why wouldn't someone who came before
[1:07:53] this council, not these council members,
[1:07:55] but before this council, followed the
[1:07:56] process, had a property rezoned,
[1:07:59] specifically told you can only build
[1:08:01] data centers on this property, only for
[1:08:03] a year and a half later
[1:08:05] for the different council members to
[1:08:07] say, "Eh, we've changed our mind."
[1:08:10] Why wouldn't they fight to protect those
[1:08:11] property rights?
[1:08:13] But nobody wants to fight.
[1:08:15] There are mitigation measures.
[1:08:17] We want time
[1:08:19] to try to work with the village to find
[1:08:22] out what mitigation measures can be
[1:08:24] implemented in writing in a development
[1:08:26] agreement with this village.
[1:08:28] That way,
[1:08:29] whether it's mounding or noise
[1:08:31] suppression or specific type of data
[1:08:33] center, whatever those things are,
[1:08:36] that way we can incorporate
[1:08:37] [clears throat] those, and we can all
[1:08:38] move forward without having to fight
[1:08:40] unnecessarily. There can be great
[1:08:42] benefits to this community.
[1:08:45] And there can be protections put in
[1:08:47] place.
[1:08:49] Your major site plan legislation allows
[1:08:52] you as council members to put conditions
[1:08:55] that protect the health, safety, and
[1:08:57] welfare of your citizens on any major
[1:09:00] site plan that's approved.
[1:09:02] So, you aren't without recourse. It is
[1:09:04] not something that you have to stop.
[1:09:06] You [snorts] can
[1:09:08] allow development to move forward,
[1:09:10] development that was already legislated
[1:09:13] in this village, to move forward without
[1:09:16] risking the people's money. Because
[1:09:18] that's what these people need an
[1:09:20] opportunity to discuss.
[1:09:22] As we've heard, there is a risk. It will
[1:09:24] be some expense.
[1:09:27] And
[1:09:28] as of right now,
[1:09:30] many of the community members that I've
[1:09:31] spoken with don't know that risk.
[1:09:33] They've heard that data centers are bad.
[1:09:35] They've heard that they should be
[1:09:37] stopped, but no one asked what the cost
[1:09:40] is to stop those.
[1:09:42] And that is the question that everyone
[1:09:43] should have an opportunity to consider
[1:09:45] and to weigh in on
[1:09:47] before council votes on these pieces of
[1:09:50] legislation.
[1:09:51] Thank you for your time.
[1:09:57] Okay, that's all we have for public
[1:09:58] comments.
[1:10:00] We're going to move on to business
[1:10:01] items. First one up here is the
[1:10:04] pick up the medical research
[1:10:07] facility that was mentioned earlier.
[1:10:09] Mayor Gardner just wants us to find out
[1:10:11] if we want to proceed with a formal
[1:10:13] presentation
[1:10:15] from them if you
[1:10:17] There's anybody who wants to do that.
[1:10:20] Can we ask some questions of Dave?
[1:10:23] Okay,
[1:10:23] go for it. Dave, Dave Hang on. I got
[1:10:27] I can't hear you. Oh, your your
[1:10:28] microphone is kicked on. Hang on.
[1:10:30] Okay.
[1:10:31] My only concern is
[1:10:34] this is probably going to have some sort
[1:10:36] of waste water cooling issues.
[1:10:40] Are we going to repeal possibly
[1:10:42] something tonight and then we're going
[1:10:44] to have an issue with another place
[1:10:45] where they don't have any place to put
[1:10:46] their
[1:10:48] So, as far as you're asking about
[1:10:50] cooling water
[1:10:51] >> Yeah, or that or are they going to have water that could have radiation
[1:10:54] in it?
[1:10:55] Yeah. So,
[1:10:56] to my understanding, there's going to be
[1:10:59] at the very first initiative of the
[1:11:03] building is going to be just a
[1:11:05] diagnostic not testing where they're
[1:11:07] going to be doing actual x-rays or MRIs
[1:11:11] on people. Okay?
[1:11:13] This is going to be simply a data
[1:11:16] retrieval and
[1:11:18] consolidation where they where they
[1:11:20] bring pieces of of information together
[1:11:23] to
[1:11:23] and they decipher everything that's
[1:11:26] going on.
[1:11:27] So, I'm So, there
[1:11:29] So, there's not going to be any like
[1:11:30] patients
[1:11:32] coming in
[1:11:33] to do testing. Okay. Not this [snorts]
[1:11:35] time. That's my understanding. So, what
[1:11:37] we're doing is
[1:11:39] because it's not over and this is this
[1:11:41] is not for you to answer, but
[1:11:43] because it's not over a certain square
[1:11:45] footage and meet the definition of a
[1:11:47] data center, they're going to just call
[1:11:48] it something else and put it under the square
[1:11:52] >> Well, there are
[1:11:53] there
[1:11:54] They said there would be computers
[1:11:56] there. There would be some electronic
[1:11:57] stores there, but there would be
[1:11:59] [snorts]
[1:11:59] mainly that is for and I don't want to
[1:12:01] speak for them, but the way it was told
[1:12:03] to me And that's all that's all I'm
[1:12:04] asking. It was going to be basically
[1:12:07] there would be
[1:12:08] highly technical people there,
[1:12:10] technicians, medical technicians there
[1:12:12] interpreting that data
[1:12:14] and information that was brought in from
[1:12:20] said it facilities around the area,
[1:12:21] hospitals.
[1:12:23] And then they would be compiling that
[1:12:24] information to people or doctors to use
[1:12:27] in the
[1:12:28] surrounding area.
[1:12:30] Does that make sense?
[1:12:31] >> Yes, it does. It's about as good as I
[1:12:32] can Yeah, I know. That was perfect. That because when you hear research
[1:12:35] facility, is it actually, you know,
[1:12:39] doing the testing? Is there Is there
[1:12:40] uranium on site? That was originally
[1:12:43] what
[1:12:45] So, we should be good there.
[1:12:46] >> Yes. As far as water or waste water
[1:12:48] specific usage,
[1:12:50] I was not given anything as to what
[1:12:52] their needs were at that time.
[1:12:55] I don't think they were ready to give us
[1:12:57] that information. Okay. But that's
[1:12:59] something you would monitor Oh, yeah.
[1:13:01] Absolutely. We would have to know, you
[1:13:03] know, what they're expecting from us and
[1:13:05] what they would be sending.
[1:13:08] We have we have legislation in place to
[1:13:10] protect us.
[1:13:12] I just wanted to make sure that, you
[1:13:14] know, you didn't
[1:13:15] think of anything that No.
[1:13:17] I was in the meeting and I didn't I
[1:13:19] didn't catch any
[1:13:20] anything that would have been negative
[1:13:22] at that time. Thank you.
[1:13:23] Any more questions?
[1:13:26] Thank you. Unless unless we're in
[1:13:29] opposition, I'll recommend to the mayor
[1:13:30] to put them on the next convenient
[1:13:33] public meeting. Okay.
[1:13:35] Yeah. Yes. Okay. Can I ask are we going
[1:13:37] to allow them to come to a COW or is it
[1:13:39] going to be a regular meeting?
[1:13:44] I know
[1:13:45] So, people will know. I'm not opposed.
[1:13:47] We'll make sure we I'm not opposed to
[1:13:48] having that at a at a COW since we'll
[1:13:50] have
[1:13:51] in the chambers here. I'm not opposed to
[1:13:53] that. We'll consult with the mayor to
[1:13:55] find out what her plans [snorts] are and
[1:13:56] to find out if they can appear in that
[1:13:58] short of a notice. Okay.
[1:14:02] The next one
[1:14:04] for comprehensive plan. So, we need to
[1:14:08] uh
[1:14:10] make a decision as to
[1:14:12] allowing the mayor to proceed with the
[1:14:15] contract on this and then
[1:14:17] there will be a
[1:14:19] uh
[1:14:20] special meeting to make that formal
[1:14:22] decision and to vote on it.
[1:14:25] Bill,
[1:14:25] can I
[1:14:28] So, if I I'm going to make a motion
[1:14:30] [clears throat] to
[1:14:32] authorize the mayor to enter into
[1:14:34] agreement with MSG
[1:14:37] to
[1:14:38] uh move forward with the comprehensive
[1:14:40] plan.
[1:14:42] Or and then we'll have a what a
[1:14:44] resolution later that states the amount.
[1:14:46] Is that correct, Bill?
[1:14:48] Is that what you were Yes, that's
[1:14:49] exactly where that's exactly where I was
[1:14:51] going with that. You can wait for the
[1:14:52] resolution.
[1:14:55] I just if we're going to award a
[1:14:56] contract, I don't know Yeah, you need the resolution. You need the
[1:15:00] contract attached to it.
[1:15:02] So So, we would we can make a motion to
[1:15:04] make a decision to permit the mayor to
[1:15:07] proceed with the contract, preparing the
[1:15:09] contract for MSG as you as you may
[1:15:12] >> Right.
[1:15:13] And then we would have to come back
[1:15:14] during a special meeting
[1:15:16] to present that and pass or
[1:15:19] approve the resolution. So, motion's
[1:15:22] made. We just have to see if it's
[1:15:23] seconded.
[1:15:24] I second.
[1:15:30] We'll call the roll on that.
[1:15:32] All in favor? I know what that doesn't
[1:15:34] mean. Doesn't matter. Yeah, you're just
[1:15:36] entering into a professional services
[1:15:37] contract. You need a voice vote.
[1:15:40] All in favor? Aye.
[1:15:42] All opposed?
[1:15:47] Mr. Hill, do you have it done yet?
[1:15:49] Oh, okay. I saw you back here. I was
[1:15:51] just seeing if it was finished.
[1:15:55] Okay, the next one is our administration
[1:15:57] administrative guidelines. Um
[1:16:00] It's the update to our administrative
[1:16:01] guidelines that fiscal officer provided.
[1:16:05] Uh there were three issues
[1:16:07] that were submitted to you. I'm going to
[1:16:08] make a motion [snorts]
[1:16:09] to
[1:16:11] approve those changes as submitted.
[1:16:13] Second.
[1:16:17] All in favor? Aye. Aye. All
[1:16:20] opposed?
[1:16:22] Okay.
[1:16:23] Should pass.
[1:16:26] The fourth item here is the Scioto
[1:16:28] Township flower sale. They would like to
[1:16:30] set up in the park
[1:16:32] and have appropriate I'm assuming street
[1:16:34] closures and stuff for that. I don't
[1:16:36] have a date on that one. I don't I
[1:16:37] didn't get it yesterday.
[1:16:39] Yeah, she said about Thursday to Sunday
[1:16:41] or till they're gone, right?
[1:16:43] Yeah.
[1:16:44] I I just need a motion and a second to
[1:16:47] vote on this. I'll make a motion.
[1:16:48] Second.
[1:16:50] Or the second.
[1:16:51] >> [laughter]
[1:16:54] [cough]
[1:16:55] >> All in favor? Aye.
[1:16:57] All opposed?
[1:16:59] Okay.
[1:17:00] Motion passed.
[1:17:02] Okay.
[1:17:04] From the amended agenda, we have E, a
[1:17:06] presentation from DR Horton regarding
[1:17:09] Scioto Crossing.
[1:17:11] Folks ready to go?
[1:17:15] Before we get started, as I I first want
[1:17:18] to First off, my name is Jack Martino.
[1:17:20] I'm the division president of DR Horton
[1:17:22] here in Columbus, Ohio.
[1:17:24] Uh with me tonight is Andrew Mount, our
[1:17:26] land acquisitioner, and Tiffany Ramp,
[1:17:28] who is our director of forward planning
[1:17:31] and entitlement. Um
[1:17:33] I just wanted to make uh
[1:17:35] just to address the storm water
[1:17:37] situation there at Scioto Crossing. Uh
[1:17:40] first off, I appreciate you all bringing
[1:17:42] it to our attention. It is a concern and
[1:17:45] we are taking that very serious to the
[1:17:47] extent that the engineer that designed
[1:17:50] Scioto Crossing was a gentleman by the
[1:17:52] name of Jim Watkins who owned Watcon
[1:17:54] Engineering at the time. Jim is now with
[1:17:56] Veridian Test and Jim wrote the
[1:17:58] recommendation or the prescription as to
[1:18:01] how to fix this situation.
[1:18:03] Uh I sent that in an email to everybody
[1:18:05] last Monday, Monday, March 30th, along
[1:18:08] with a letter from Jim and then a uh
[1:18:12] the uh the points of what that
[1:18:14] description would or I'm sorry, the
[1:18:16] prescription would look like. So, it has
[1:18:18] nothing to do with the grates on top.
[1:18:20] There's a there's a concrete structure
[1:18:22] that sits in the ground that collects
[1:18:24] that water.
[1:18:26] Most of that water today is coming
[1:18:27] through an inlet at the top. So, what
[1:18:29] would need to happen is that that
[1:18:31] concrete structure will need to get dug
[1:18:33] up. I apologize, we will need to dig
[1:18:35] that structure up and affect the yards
[1:18:38] and we will cut what are called windows
[1:18:40] in the side of that, which will allow
[1:18:42] significantly more storm water to get
[1:18:44] into that 24-in
[1:18:46] water line or I'm sorry, drain line as
[1:18:48] well as the 12-in drain line. That's the
[1:18:51] prescription that the engineer that
[1:18:53] designed this is suggesting in terms of
[1:18:56] a fix. I can easily I can see you
[1:18:59] saying, "Well, he screwed it up in the
[1:19:00] first place. Why is he going to screw it
[1:19:03] up again?" So, we would be more than
[1:19:05] happy to work with the village's
[1:19:06] engineer to have have them look at this
[1:19:08] prescription as well before starting on
[1:19:10] the work. Okay.
[1:19:12] I just wanted to address that. You're
[1:19:14] willing to do that, right? Okay. Yes,
[1:19:16] thank you. And Jack, before you get
[1:19:18] started, I do want to appreciate your
[1:19:20] the the attentiveness you've had for the
[1:19:22] customer service. They just come in and
[1:19:24] I know personally the the the the the the the the the the Absolutely.
[1:19:30] And we trust that as this moves forward
[1:19:32] that this circumstance that we're
[1:19:34] dealing with on the one side
[1:19:36] we can mitigate on this side or not
[1:19:38] maybe have that repeated.
[1:19:40] >> Yeah. Two two two Yeah, hopefully the
[1:19:42] two is totally separate issues, but
[1:19:44] those photos that were passed around
[1:19:45] they're as disturbing to me as they are
[1:19:48] uh to to anyone else that would see
[1:19:49] them. And that is one thing as you've
[1:19:51] seen we don't want to repeat it.
[1:19:53] Correct. And on this scenario we're
[1:19:55] good. Understood. Okay. Thanks. So, I
[1:19:57] will go ahead and let Nan do the start.
[1:19:58] Thank you for
[1:19:59] letting me talk about that.
[1:20:02] Good evening, Council. I appreciate it.
[1:20:04] And in theory this should help that
[1:20:05] problem cuz we're going to catch a lot
[1:20:07] of the water that's draining across that
[1:20:08] field and retain it in these ponds.
[1:20:11] Um
[1:20:12] on that note though. So, thank you for
[1:20:14] the opportunity to uh present um the
[1:20:18] Estates at Scioto Crossing.
[1:20:20] Um
[1:20:21] Jack stunned the introduction, so I'll
[1:20:22] skip that. Um but
[1:20:24] it
[1:20:25] you all know we've been building here
[1:20:27] since 2004. Want to continue that
[1:20:29] relationship. Um
[1:20:31] and tonight we bring forth a plan that
[1:20:34] we uh hope to hope to do that with.
[1:20:36] Um this
[1:20:38] So, we've got the Estates at Scioto
[1:20:39] Crossing.
[1:20:41] This is um
[1:20:44] at the corner or at the northwest of
[1:20:46] Direct and McCord Road.
[1:20:49] It's 110 acres.
[1:20:51] Uh to the and to the west of Scioto
[1:20:53] Crossing to the south of Southern Point.
[1:20:57] Property's currently annexed
[1:20:59] and zoned exceptional use.
[1:21:02] And our plan is for this to be an
[1:21:04] extension of Scioto Crossing. When this
[1:21:07] property came through before
[1:21:09] it was
[1:21:11] just repeat that.
[1:21:13] This was the feedback that was given
[1:21:15] when they tried to do something uh
[1:21:17] significantly more dense. So, uh so
[1:21:20] that's just that's really the direction
[1:21:22] we're headed.
[1:21:23] Um
[1:21:25] And I think as you come in the
[1:21:30] Oh, that doesn't really work on the TV.
[1:21:32] Uh can you go back?
[1:21:35] Thanks.
[1:21:36] One more.
[1:21:38] Other way. Forward.
[1:21:41] As you come in
[1:21:42] you've got the uh
[1:21:45] um
[1:21:48] you'll have open space at at the
[1:21:50] entrance and then as you come in and you
[1:21:54] come in to a 10-acre community space.
[1:21:57] With there'll be a park
[1:22:00] pavilion
[1:22:01] uh
[1:22:03] here and then we're saving
[1:22:05] eight So, that's about 2 and 1/2 acres
[1:22:08] to then saving over 7 acres of the woods
[1:22:12] of the wooded property.
[1:22:15] We'll have walking trails throughout the communities that will um
[1:22:21] Excuse me. They'll they'll tie it all
[1:22:23] together.
[1:22:25] You'll be able to walk you know, walk
[1:22:26] around this pond, come up, walk through
[1:22:29] connect to the sidewalks.
[1:22:31] So, we think that'll that'll make a
[1:22:34] great great amenity with the passive the
[1:22:36] passiveness of the passive open space of
[1:22:39] the woods
[1:22:42] combined with the
[1:22:44] uh
[1:22:44] activity in the park.
[1:22:50] So, the
[1:22:52] this this plan exceeds the required open
[1:22:54] space
[1:22:55] which is uh 20 We're providing 27.6
[1:22:58] acres
[1:23:00] uh compared to the requirement of 18.1
[1:23:03] acres.
[1:23:04] For for the villages uh PUD ordinance.
[1:23:08] What's the number of houses per
[1:23:10] uh acre of net developable?
[1:23:13] So,
[1:23:16] uh
[1:23:21] So, the net density is uh gross density
[1:23:24] 2.91 and the net is 3.77.
[1:23:29] And which versus an allowance of four
[1:23:32] acres.
[1:23:34] Is there any way that that could get the
[1:23:36] rate below?
[1:23:40] Not really.
[1:23:41] I know we had discussed
[1:23:44] and I think you guys were here when we
[1:23:45] were talking about it
[1:23:46] you know, making the new standard three.
[1:23:49] And if you want more than that, you
[1:23:51] know, you got to PID or PUD or whatever.
[1:23:54] I just didn't know if maybe this could
[1:23:55] be the community that we kick that off
[1:23:57] with and say that three is the new
[1:23:59] standard and if a builder wants to see
[1:24:01] what Commercial Point considers
[1:24:05] it could be that three. But if it can't
[1:24:07] happen, I understand. It's dollars and
[1:24:08] cents. But
[1:24:09] Not not really. He did say you've been
[1:24:11] here you know, for
[1:24:13] umpteen years
[1:24:15] and wouldn't that be nice if we could
[1:24:17] send them one of your communities to say
[1:24:18] that this is the standard
[1:24:23] I mean if if it can happen, that would
[1:24:24] be a plus, but if it can't, I
[1:24:26] understand. Well, we'll we'll go back
[1:24:27] and take a look at what we can do.
[1:24:29] But I would say it's probably a
[1:24:31] tough fight. Yeah. So, if you if you can
[1:24:34] go back to the Okay.
[1:24:35] >> talking about the green spaces, I know
[1:24:37] we had some conversation in the in the
[1:24:39] uh Planning Committee about
[1:24:41] like the utilization of that green space
[1:24:44] with
[1:24:45] maybe
[1:24:46] um
[1:24:47] increasing community access you know
[1:24:50] parking and
[1:24:52] uh different maybe amenities like uh
[1:24:56] and
[1:24:57] is any of that subject to change in your
[1:24:59] current plan as it sits right now?
[1:25:02] Since we had that conversation? Yeah.
[1:25:04] And I think we are providing
[1:25:06] uh you can go back up one more.
[1:25:09] Sorry. No, really I really have got the
[1:25:11] controls here, but I
[1:25:13] um
[1:25:14] So, we are providing
[1:25:15] parking
[1:25:17] along the
[1:25:18] south of it. Uh um
[1:25:22] And your question was the clubhouse or
[1:25:24] pool house and that sort of thing. Yeah,
[1:25:26] or like a you know, basketball or
[1:25:28] pickleball Yeah, and we I mean I think
[1:25:30] pickleball
[1:25:31] I think that's fully you know, those are
[1:25:34] highly utilized these days and I think
[1:25:35] that's something we'd definitely be
[1:25:37] interested in uh
[1:25:39] taking a look at. Okay. Especially you
[1:25:41] know, with the uh with the
[1:25:44] age-targeted
[1:25:46] community in there. I think that's a
[1:25:47] inspection in there. I think that's a
[1:25:50] Get to it in a second. Uh I think that's
[1:25:52] uh
[1:25:53] definitely something we would look at.
[1:25:55] Okay. We we also talked about protective
[1:25:57] covenants over the the the green space
[1:26:00] area specifically.
[1:26:04] And that will be that will be
[1:26:06] restricted. What what what we'll try to
[1:26:08] do here they're going to give that full
[1:26:09] presentation that we actually had
[1:26:11] together as real quick and then we'll probably finish up and do a
[1:26:14] follow-up on that.
[1:26:15] is my that is the plan we're going
[1:26:16] to have. Is that fair? That's very fair.
[1:26:18] Thank you.
[1:26:19] Uh
[1:26:20] It's it's only an on the Here's an
[1:26:22] overlay on the aerial. So, you can see
[1:26:24] the section of the woods that are being preserved in uh
[1:26:30] in here. So, we we will be removing some
[1:26:33] of it, but the bulk of it will be saved.
[1:26:36] Oh.
[1:26:36] And then we're also saving saving this
[1:26:39] woodland on the south of of the pond.
[1:26:46] In in addition, we've got uh extensive
[1:26:49] buffering uh on the east side. We're
[1:26:54] uh adding some buffer to protect those
[1:26:56] you know, the the trees that are there
[1:26:58] and that will allow us to put the drainage on the lots as it's
[1:27:03] typically done without having to impact
[1:27:06] those trees.
[1:27:08] In In addition, we've got uh on the
[1:27:10] north side we've got McCord Road and the
[1:27:12] residents to the north we've got some
[1:27:14] mounding and uh mounding and woodland.
[1:27:17] And then on
[1:27:18] in addition to that on the south we are
[1:27:21] uh we've got some additional buffer
[1:27:22] there from the Carney's property.
[1:27:25] And we are looking at
[1:27:27] uh
[1:27:28] the ability to add some mounding to help
[1:27:31] with their drainage issues cuz they do
[1:27:33] get a lot of water coming onto the
[1:27:34] property with trees on top for some buffering.
[1:27:43] Here's here's just some examples of the
[1:27:45] some examples of park amenities that
[1:27:48] we'd be putting in. We've got
[1:27:50] very nice pavilion, swing set
[1:27:52] uh you know, play playground.
[1:27:57] Now to the residential pods. Um
[1:28:00] Subarea C which is the yellow and pink
[1:28:03] on the east side.
[1:28:05] That's 156 single family lots.
[1:28:08] Uh 63 by most of them are 63 by
[1:28:12] 126 minimum. Some of them are 50 which
[1:28:15] provides some variety of the lots and it
[1:28:18] also helps with the uh
[1:28:21] with the lot fits.
[1:28:22] Um
[1:28:23] It's the same product just the 50-foot
[1:28:25] lots will be uh two
[1:28:27] will be restricted to two-car garages.
[1:28:32] And again, we've already talked about
[1:28:33] the open space on the on the east side
[1:28:36] to protect uh
[1:28:38] so that we protect the trees.
[1:28:41] And then uh um
[1:28:43] on the northwest corner is uh
[1:28:45] Subarea A which will be 81 age-targeted
[1:28:48] patio homes. These will be ranch homes
[1:28:51] uh
[1:28:52] 50 by 125. We'll have an amenity or have
[1:28:55] a maintenance package on those. So, that
[1:28:58] will be targeting
[1:29:00] uh people in the community that are
[1:29:01] ready to you know, their kids are gone,
[1:29:02] they're ready to move down or
[1:29:05] get people coming into the community
[1:29:07] that you can add or you then the
[1:29:10] grandparents can come and live nearby.
[1:29:13] Um which I know growing up or my my kids
[1:29:17] growing up. Grandparents were a couple
[1:29:19] miles away. It was great.
[1:29:21] So,
[1:29:24] and then uh How many of those are there?
[1:29:26] There's 81 of those. I'm sorry. Skip
[1:29:28] that number.
[1:29:29] And then subarea B, the blue the blue
[1:29:31] lots in the southwest corner,
[1:29:34] those are 84 single-family lots, and
[1:29:36] those are 50 by 126
[1:29:39] minimum.
[1:29:40] Um similar similar product is subarea C.
[1:29:43] Again, it's all all two they'd be two
[1:29:46] restricted to two car garages.
[1:29:50] And the the smaller lots allow us to
[1:29:52] exceed the required open space that that
[1:29:55] we talked about already.
[1:29:57] It fills by saving some of that open
[1:30:00] space.
[1:30:02] Kind of that that trade-off.
[1:30:08] So, summary of key facts.
[1:30:10] Uh
[1:30:11] We've got 110 acres, 9.8 acres
[1:30:15] of open space of community space,
[1:30:18] uh including 7.2 acres of the preserved
[1:30:21] uh woodland.
[1:30:22] It It's actually a little bit more than
[1:30:23] that because we've got some behind the
[1:30:25] lots that we're saving.
[1:30:26] And then uh
[1:30:29] You see that you know, we've talked
[1:30:30] about the
[1:30:31] exceeding the open space requirements,
[1:30:33] the 321 lots
[1:30:36] with 81 patios, 84 single-family, and
[1:30:39] 156 in single-family in pod C.
[1:30:43] The the yellow and pink lots.
[1:30:49] With a gross density of 2.9,
[1:30:52] and net density of 3.7,
[1:30:55] and allowed density of four per the
[1:30:57] current ordinance.
[1:31:00] So, here's some examples of the product
[1:31:02] that we've uh
[1:31:03] the
[1:31:04] These would be the three car integral.
[1:31:06] So, these would be on the 63-ft lots.
[1:31:10] Then we've got uh these would be
[1:31:15] the you know, the rest of the
[1:31:16] single-family lots.
[1:31:18] Will those have basements or
[1:31:21] on the slabs?
[1:31:22] Uh
[1:31:24] >> [snorts]
[1:31:25] >> The customer would be able to choose.
[1:31:29] And then these would be the patio homes,
[1:31:31] and these would be on slabs.
[1:31:35] These would be owned.
[1:31:37] Could it be both at all or
[1:31:39] I mean, it seems like that's what people
[1:31:40] are asking for is for people to have you
[1:31:43] know, the rentals? Yeah, because when
[1:31:46] they retire, they just
[1:31:48] they don't want to own anything anymore.
[1:31:50] And the new thing seems to be to give
[1:31:52] away your inheritance before you die
[1:31:54] >> [laughter]
[1:31:58] » I mean
[1:32:00] I
[1:32:01] These These would be targeted towards
[1:32:03] for sale. But there there I know there's
[1:32:05] a lot big market for the rentals. Is
[1:32:08] that something you would consider there,
[1:32:10] Jack, or I mean, I I don't I I will go
[1:32:13] ahead and address a couple things that I do want to address, but specifically
[1:32:17] on on the rentals,
[1:32:19] we haven't written in anything into the
[1:32:21] restrictions that would preclude an
[1:32:22] investor to come in and buy
[1:32:24] those those the homes.
[1:32:27] One of the And what would make those
[1:32:29] homes attractive,
[1:32:30] that particular product, it's it's what
[1:32:32] we call age targeted. It's not age
[1:32:34] restricted. Age targeted being it's two
[1:32:36] and three bedroom
[1:32:38] single story homes
[1:32:40] uh with that are built on slab to begin
[1:32:42] with. Um age targeted, they don't like a
[1:32:44] lot of stairs, and they'll find a place
[1:32:46] for for storage. But uh as far And then
[1:32:50] if you go back to that subarea, what
[1:32:53] we're going to call A, those 81, they
[1:32:55] would have a maintenance package on
[1:32:57] them. So, all of those lawns would be
[1:32:59] mowed, so it'd be more of a a
[1:33:01] uh
[1:33:02] kind of a lifestyle where you do not
[1:33:04] have to have to mow. So, all of the
[1:33:06] lawns would be mowed at that same time,
[1:33:08] and that would all be part of the HOA.
[1:33:10] So, it might be attractive for an
[1:33:12] investor, but I'm not looking to sell 81
[1:33:14] of these to some institutional buyer.
[1:33:17] Yeah.
[1:33:18] I think we have enough of that.
[1:33:20] Yeah. Okay.
[1:33:22] Uh the other thing I did want to address
[1:33:23] just on Let us look more closely at the
[1:33:26] three.
[1:33:27] Um
[1:33:28] You know, Councilman Monger, I
[1:33:29] appreciate the suggestion on the three.
[1:33:31] I believe
[1:33:32] if I recall correctly, Scioto Crossing
[1:33:35] and possibly Chestnut Estates, they
[1:33:37] might have been 3.1 or 3.3. I think
[1:33:40] we're somewhere right in there. This
[1:33:41] looks to be 3.7, so give us a little
[1:33:44] time on that. So, scrub that out.
[1:33:46] >> I just wanted to ask earlier. Appreciate
[1:33:47] it. Yeah. I like that adjustments have
[1:33:50] been done since the last time.
[1:33:52] Uh we have a builder this time that that
[1:33:55] we
[1:33:56] Some of us may like, some of us may not.
[1:33:58] But we have a builder, so we're making
[1:34:00] positive strides. I'm still not saying
[1:34:02] that I'm sold that we can come together
[1:34:05] on the infrastructure offsite upgrades,
[1:34:09] uh cuz we you know, I don't know if
[1:34:12] they'll be a Tiffin home or what they
[1:34:13] would be since it's offsite.
[1:34:15] But I think that's your biggest hurdle.
[1:34:18] If we can't figure out McCord Road
[1:34:20] to everybody's agreement, the chances of
[1:34:22] this passing are about zero. Okay.
[1:34:25] Estimate. I I appreciate the candor. Let
[1:34:28] me just respond and just so I
[1:34:29] understand.
[1:34:31] Are we going to use a traffic study to
[1:34:34] make that decision?
[1:34:36] Which is typically the the whatever
[1:34:38] traffic study and whatever the village's
[1:34:40] engineer would review that traffic study
[1:34:43] with respect to the additional trips
[1:34:45] that this would cause both on McCord and
[1:34:48] Dorr Road. What What that study is
[1:34:51] suggesting or what study What that study
[1:34:53] would mandate, we would be in agreement
[1:34:56] to perform. So, that study that was done
[1:35:00] for the last one time this came in,
[1:35:01] probably going to be about same. And it
[1:35:03] was whether it happens or not, there has
[1:35:05] to be a turn lane on Weldrick Road to to
[1:35:07] lane, whether it happens or not. Yeah.
[1:35:10] Well, okay, so you'll say, "Well, even
[1:35:13] if we don't build, I just want get that
[1:35:15] done now."
[1:35:17] I know it's putting the cart before the
[1:35:18] horse, but let's not argue about that
[1:35:19] later. We sit down [clears throat] that
[1:35:21] with this property. Yeah. And
[1:35:24] the big stickler is, yeah, we would like
[1:35:26] an extension
[1:35:28] to fix that whole part of McCord,
[1:35:29] whether it's something we work out with
[1:35:32] the trustees to to work with them. Well,
[1:35:35] I But for us to feel good about okaying
[1:35:38] this, Sure. we do have to play well with
[1:35:40] the the neighbors in the township. We're
[1:35:43] also township. So, I just want to make
[1:35:45] sure that there's enough meat on the
[1:35:47] bone
[1:35:48] that we or how can we come to that
[1:35:50] agreement so that that is off that's
[1:35:53] dealt with, and then the Dorr Road, I
[1:35:56] know you have to do the 250-ft right
[1:35:58] turn lane, you know, coming from each
[1:36:00] direction and all that. Uh I don't know
[1:36:02] that another traffic study would be much
[1:36:04] different.
[1:36:05] But I just want to make sure if it says
[1:36:07] no build or build, it needs this.
[1:36:10] Are you going to do it? Well, I think
[1:36:12] that's what I'm asking. Is that going to
[1:36:14] be subject Is it subjective or is it
[1:36:18] what what that study says we have to do?
[1:36:23] So, that's what I'm at. Is this
[1:36:24] subjective is
[1:36:26] if it if the study says you have to do
[1:36:28] this to McCord and you have to do this
[1:36:30] to Dorr,
[1:36:31] are we in agreement that would say,
[1:36:33] "Yeah, we need to do that." I mean,
[1:36:34] we've got to participate because we're
[1:36:36] going to be adding that many trips. Or
[1:36:38] is Council going to say,
[1:36:40] "Uh
[1:36:40] I understand what the study says. I
[1:36:42] understand what our engineer says. We
[1:36:44] want more."
[1:36:45] That's the subjectivity that I I don't
[1:36:47] know. So, I can't respond to that. I
[1:36:49] will just from my I can only speak from
[1:36:52] this seat.
[1:36:52] >> Yes, sir. Um
[1:36:55] I guess obviously the traffic study is
[1:36:59] the one that is
[1:37:00] supposed to be on the nine.
[1:37:02] But we also know that that they have a
[1:37:04] matrix that they put in a and numbers up
[1:37:07] to this have to be mitigated, up to this
[1:37:09] don't.
[1:37:11] But I think as a village, if we do not
[1:37:14] make that that area
[1:37:17] to the south and the north match,
[1:37:22] I just think that that's that's not great. Well, that causes more
[1:37:26] rift between the two.
[1:37:29] When you say to the south and the north,
[1:37:31] how far are you? Well, that's what I
[1:37:33] just want to say. Could we agree that we as the developer would work that out
[1:37:39] with the village's engineer, and
[1:37:41] whatever the traffic study says and what
[1:37:44] the village's engineer feels, you know,
[1:37:47] is warranted on behalf of the village,
[1:37:48] that's something that I can work with.
[1:37:50] Yeah, that's why they have faith in
[1:37:51] these two.
[1:37:53] That's why they represent them.
[1:37:55] Understood.
[1:37:55] >> And that's why, you know, we're full
[1:37:57] time now. Yeah. And we just want you to
[1:37:58] know that they are full time now, and we
[1:38:01] expect that.
[1:38:02] And if they have [snorts] a suggestion
[1:38:05] as a you could or could not, it would
[1:38:07] probably be great if you went to the
[1:38:08] could.
[1:38:10] Okay. No, that was going to be my
[1:38:11] question, I guess, because if you
[1:38:16] if you're saying that you want to work
[1:38:18] with them, say they say, "This is
[1:38:20] great." But like you said, they're Okay,
[1:38:21] we see more.
[1:38:23] The we or the council, the township, we
[1:38:27] want more than what the traffic study
[1:38:29] says. Are you going to go with the more
[1:38:32] of what is suggested, or is it going to
[1:38:33] be just, "Well, the traffic study says
[1:38:35] we don't have to do that, so even though
[1:38:37] you guys
[1:38:38] want the more, we're not going to do the
[1:38:40] more." Yeah, I hope with all due
[1:38:41] respect, I can't commit to the more
[1:38:43] because I don't know what the more is.
[1:38:45] That's right. Right. But you're willing,
[1:38:46] Jack. I'm willing, absolutely, to work
[1:38:49] with the engineers and and and council
[1:38:52] and the village's engineers to to
[1:38:54] satisfy that. Cuz cuz I will say it it
[1:38:56] felt like I came in at the tail end of
[1:38:58] it last time, and it felt like maybe
[1:39:00] that didn't happen early on, and that's
[1:39:02] how we got where we were. That's how it
[1:39:05] took me till the night of to figure out
[1:39:07] they were over, you know, the four on
[1:39:09] net cuz they were using gross. We just
[1:39:12] don't want that repeat. So, we want to
[1:39:13] make sure that tonight at this you're
[1:39:16] telling us and promising us that you
[1:39:19] will work hand-in-hand with these
[1:39:20] professionals that we hired
[1:39:22] so that when they tell us that they have
[1:39:24] done what they feel
[1:39:26] is in the best interest from their
[1:39:28] specialty, we don't have to second-guess
[1:39:31] it and we can take it because you're
[1:39:32] going to tell us that's what you're
[1:39:33] going to do. 100% Yeah, 100%. And this
[1:39:37] will have to be a collaboration with the
[1:39:38] township because this their road. So,
[1:39:40] this is going to be a collaboration with
[1:39:41] them
[1:39:42] step-by-step.
[1:39:44] I mean it will just it will be not the
[1:39:46] decision necessarily on this part of it,
[1:39:48] but it will be what happens because just
[1:39:51] to let you know that from my perspective
[1:39:53] the minimum standard on these roadways
[1:39:55] in this is is
[1:39:58] won't
[1:39:58] it won't impress me at all. Okay? Susan
[1:40:01] has The higher the higher level is going
[1:40:02] to we're going to have to Susan, you
[1:40:03] speak to that. during this process. So
[1:40:05] Just to comment because we do have
[1:40:07] shared roadways. Village goes to the
[1:40:09] center line, township is the other side.
[1:40:12] Everything that gets submitted goes to
[1:40:14] the county engineer as well.
[1:40:16] So, I think we just recently submitted
[1:40:18] the MOU for your traffic impact study.
[1:40:21] The county received it and they have
[1:40:23] already provided their comments to that
[1:40:25] MOU. Can can we get that?
[1:40:28] Cuz I haven't seen the traffic study for
[1:40:31] that. It's still being done. Oh, okay.
[1:40:34] Well, he was for I thought you It
[1:40:36] was for when they tried to come in last
[1:40:37] time. Okay, so we did There is a new
[1:40:39] one.
[1:40:40] There will be a new one. Okay. Okay.
[1:40:44] So, I guess Susan, I do have a question
[1:40:46] maybe you can talk to because McWhorter
[1:40:48] Road is is not blacktopped, Ronald, am I
[1:40:50] correct? It's all tar and chip layers,
[1:40:52] right? Uh there's section that has been
[1:40:55] blacktopped in the S-curve.
[1:40:57] Okay, but the rest of it is just layers
[1:40:59] of tar and chip. So, that's probably
[1:41:01] going to mean we're going to go all the
[1:41:02] way to the base and redo it all
[1:41:05] with twos and all the way up because if
[1:41:07] it's just tar and chip, we're not going
[1:41:08] to have enough base there to even widen
[1:41:11] it all. So, I just I want to make sure
[1:41:12] you understand the type of road that
[1:41:14] you're talking about
[1:41:16] before we get too far.
[1:41:18] I mean it's it's a tar and chip road
[1:41:19] that's in really bad shape. There's not
[1:41:22] a whole lot of room through the S-curve.
[1:41:23] I think I remember when I was learning
[1:41:25] to drive that S-curve had a one-lane
[1:41:27] sign.
[1:41:28] Uh it used to be a one you had to stop
[1:41:30] and if if met in the middle it was
[1:41:32] whoever could go up the road the most
[1:41:34] and get damaged. Sure. No. You know, so
[1:41:36] I just I don't want anything hidden.
[1:41:38] Uh I mean believe it or not, I kind of
[1:41:41] like you
[1:41:42] and
[1:41:42] >> [laughter]
[1:41:43] >> I don't want to have to curb ball or
[1:41:44] anything later. No. No, I respect that.
[1:41:48] The calendar saves us time.
[1:41:50] Right.
[1:41:51] And in this situation if again, working
[1:41:54] with the village's engineers who have
[1:41:57] that responsibility to provide that
[1:41:59] technical
[1:42:01] uh review and technical guidance to the
[1:42:03] village, we're completely beholden to
[1:42:06] that with the study.
[1:42:08] And of course, you know how windy is.
[1:42:09] We're not worried about you working with
[1:42:11] her. So, that'll be squared away.
[1:42:15] You mean that's part of the gig?
[1:42:17] >> [laughter]
[1:42:18] >> I'll let you keep going.
[1:42:20] Thank you. It was a great presentation,
[1:42:22] but just one thing if I can just add,
[1:42:24] when you're doing your park um
[1:42:27] depending with that amount of homes, you
[1:42:30] may need some extra playground equipment
[1:42:33] um cuz Scioto Crossing's
[1:42:35] if there are five kids at the park, it's
[1:42:37] too crowded.
[1:42:38] So, just keep that in mind. I would make
[1:42:40] the park bigger than what's at Scioto
[1:42:41] Crossing.
[1:42:43] But Patricia, this is Scioto Crossing.
[1:42:44] So, their crossing's playground is
[1:42:47] I [laughter]
[1:42:48] mean I know I mean some of our neighbors
[1:42:49] we may come over and use that pavilion,
[1:42:51] you know what I'm saying? So, we want a
[1:42:53] pickleball court, too. But I I'm just
[1:42:56] saying, you know, because with the swing
[1:42:58] because there's only one baby swing and
[1:43:00] there's five people that in our
[1:43:01] neighborhood right now, a lot of babies
[1:43:03] and they they wait in line to swing, so.
[1:43:05] Appreciate that.
[1:43:06] It's okay.
[1:43:08] Are Did you Are you at the point where
[1:43:10] you're done here and we You said you
[1:43:12] wanted to transition into another You
[1:43:13] want to address that? Yeah. If you'd
[1:43:15] like to or you can ask.
[1:43:17] Uh we have a little a bit on the school
[1:43:19] district. I will I'll make it super
[1:43:21] quick.
[1:43:22] Um I need you to to drive, Andrew.
[1:43:25] So, whenever we come into community,
[1:43:27] I've already presented this at our uh
[1:43:29] meeting a couple weeks ago. Our um
[1:43:31] whenever we go into a community, we're
[1:43:33] we try to be very thoughtful on the
[1:43:34] impact that we're going to be in
[1:43:35] schools. We know that Teays Valley's had
[1:43:36] some things in the news here locally on
[1:43:39] the school district capacity issues,
[1:43:41] what not. So,
[1:43:42] uh this particular uh project Again, my
[1:43:44] name is Tiffany. I'm the director of
[1:43:45] forward
[1:43:46] planning and land. So, I um am near and
[1:43:50] dear to Commercial Point and Teays
[1:43:52] Valley because I currently have 10
[1:43:54] members that live in the Teays Valley
[1:43:55] school district. I have four of those
[1:43:57] family members that are actually in
[1:43:59] integrated into the school elementary,
[1:44:00] middle, and high school.
[1:44:02] My brother my youngest brother graduated
[1:44:04] from Teays Valley High School in 2010,
[1:44:06] grew up on Cherry Tree Lane right here
[1:44:08] at Chestnut. Stinks.
[1:44:10] My very first home was at the Village at
[1:44:12] Southern Point back in 2004.
[1:44:16] So, when I look at this school, you
[1:44:18] know, I'm looking at it through a lens
[1:44:20] of community, family feel. You know,
[1:44:22] we've been here I've been here. Jack
[1:44:24] Deering Horton through Westport Homes
[1:44:26] has been here. Dominion Homes we've been
[1:44:27] here for a really long time.
[1:44:29] So, we are we like to be transparent in
[1:44:31] how we look at data and what our what
[1:44:33] our impacts are going to be. So, our
[1:44:35] subdivision as Andrew mentioned is going
[1:44:37] to be about 321 units.
[1:44:39] We look at the current district
[1:44:40] enrollment at Teays Valley, which is
[1:44:42] about 4,300. That 4,300 figure comes
[1:44:45] from publicly available information that
[1:44:48] comes from the Ohio Board of Education
[1:44:51] through Teays Valley School District and
[1:44:52] through the US Census. Every year school
[1:44:55] districts are required to report a
[1:44:57] five-year forecast budget and that's
[1:44:59] where we get the enrollment numbers. So,
[1:45:00] then we take
[1:45:02] the 4,300 students that we have. Teays
[1:45:04] Valley Local School District, fun fact,
[1:45:06] one of the largest uh land masses in all
[1:45:09] school districts in the state of Ohio.
[1:45:10] So, there's about 615 school districts
[1:45:13] in Ohio. Teays Valley lands about 49, I
[1:45:16] think, in size.
[1:45:18] Uh you're larger than the city of
[1:45:19] Columbus School District in land size,
[1:45:21] which is pretty amazing. Um but that kind of tells you how many parcels,
[1:45:25] right, that you have and people voting
[1:45:26] for levies and what not when it comes to
[1:45:29] building new schools. So, the fact is
[1:45:31] and you can get this information again
[1:45:33] from the uh financial district profile
[1:45:36] the school district school district is
[1:45:38] in a positive cash flow and they are
[1:45:39] expected to be so for the next five
[1:45:41] years. They can pay the bills, turn the
[1:45:43] lights on, they can pay their teachers,
[1:45:45] they can pay for books.
[1:45:46] What they cannot pay for right now, as
[1:45:48] we know, we're being transparent, is it
[1:45:50] a new school. We know that there's some
[1:45:51] capacity issues with some of the schools
[1:45:53] and that does come through with bonds
[1:45:55] and levies. So, um I'm just here to
[1:45:57] report what our research has found on
[1:46:00] our impact on units and student count.
[1:46:02] So, we have 321 units coming in um
[1:46:06] using the uh student enrollment count
[1:46:09] and the population of Teays Valley
[1:46:11] School District, you got about 20 I
[1:46:13] think 28,000 in population. You've got
[1:46:16] about 8,400 households in Teays Valley
[1:46:18] School District. So, uh when you do that
[1:46:20] math, you come up with the formula of a
[1:46:22] 0.57 student ratio.
[1:46:25] Well, uh we reached out and the school
[1:46:28] superintendent uses a 0.75. So, we're
[1:46:30] okay actually being a little bit more
[1:46:31] conservative on that ratio. So, for
[1:46:33] every one home that we build, we're
[1:46:35] expecting 0.75
[1:46:37] of a a human student to join the school
[1:46:39] district.
[1:46:41] Well, our 321 homes, we're not building
[1:46:43] on day one. We're not delivering those
[1:46:44] homes on day one. We're not going to be
[1:46:46] delivering 240 students to the school on
[1:46:48] day one either. 100 a year, right?
[1:46:50] That's average. Well, we are
[1:46:52] um anticipating I mean 100 homes per
[1:46:55] year, right?
[1:46:55] A successful sales pace would be about
[1:46:57] 40 homes a year. 40 homes. Yeah, 3.3 a
[1:47:00] month.
[1:47:01] So, when we take that fraction, we're
[1:47:03] estimating about uh 40 homes a year,
[1:47:06] eight-year build-out starting in 2027 if
[1:47:09] we're successful in the region and we
[1:47:10] have of course the public support, we
[1:47:12] would expect about 30 students per year.
[1:47:15] All 30 students are not going to be in
[1:47:17] fifth grade, they're not all going to be
[1:47:18] in 10th grade. They're going to be
[1:47:20] allocated in population just as they are
[1:47:22] now uh in every grade of elementary,
[1:47:25] middle, and high school. So, you can
[1:47:26] anticipate about 2.3 students per grade
[1:47:29] per year at full build-out and then it
[1:47:32] stops at full build-out, right? So,
[1:47:34] I'm going to also argue that our
[1:47:36] conservative ratio includes 81 homes
[1:47:39] that are actually targeted for age, you
[1:47:42] know, retirement, grandparents. So, are
[1:47:45] those 81 homes truly going to be
[1:47:46] generating uh
[1:47:48] students? Not likely, but we are putting
[1:47:50] that in our figure as if we are, okay?
[1:47:53] Um I also have an argument and we have
[1:47:55] not met uh full transparency, we have
[1:47:57] not met with uh the superintendent yet.
[1:47:59] However, we have been in touch.
[1:48:01] We're trading emails back
[1:48:02] [clears throat] and forth. We're trying
[1:48:03] to get on the calendar. Um so, we're
[1:48:05] hoping to hear back in the next day or
[1:48:06] so. I know he's a little busy right now,
[1:48:07] but he has acknowledged our reach out
[1:48:09] and we're going to talk to him.
[1:48:10] I'm also curious there's not a lot of
[1:48:12] public information on this that
[1:48:15] how many So, if you look at our
[1:48:16] development right now, we've got three
[1:48:18] sub areas, right? So, you've got your
[1:48:20] nicer, larger lots that will likely have
[1:48:23] your three-car garage, maybe a little
[1:48:24] bit higher price point.
[1:48:26] Your subsection in the far north corner
[1:48:28] there is your age targeted for your
[1:48:30] grandparents, perhaps retirees. And then
[1:48:33] the sub area there to the south
[1:48:35] um you know, perhaps first-time home
[1:48:37] buyers, a little bit better price point.
[1:48:39] That community to me means you've got
[1:48:41] people that are going to be moving up or
[1:48:43] moving into that are already in the
[1:48:45] Teays Valley School District. So, I'm
[1:48:47] curious when we meet with the
[1:48:48] superintendent and this is going to be a
[1:48:49] question I'm I'm going to ask. How many
[1:48:51] new people are coming into the district
[1:48:53] versus move-ups?
[1:48:55] Or, you know, maybe they're moving in
[1:48:56] from an older subdivision. Um so,
[1:48:58] that'll be something that we're going to
[1:49:00] kind of track a little bit just to see
[1:49:01] what the school district does about
[1:49:02] that.
[1:49:03] Um trying to think what else here. Let
[1:49:06] me look at the notes.
[1:49:10] Just what Tiffany's presenting the price
[1:49:12] points we would anticipate on the patio
[1:49:14] product or the age-targeted product
[1:49:17] would be from the low 400s to the mid
[1:49:20] and upper 400s and on the larger lots
[1:49:23] we'd be looking from the mid fours to
[1:49:25] the mid mid fives. Yes.
[1:49:29] Something else I would like to point
[1:49:30] out. Um
[1:49:32] Teays Valley School District brings in
[1:49:34] about $17,000
[1:49:36] a year per student in revenue and that
[1:49:38] comes from various sources of school,
[1:49:40] whether it's state funds, uh local
[1:49:42] income tax funds, local real estate
[1:49:44] funds.
[1:49:45] The expenditures are about 14,000. So,
[1:49:48] that's really good, right? They're
[1:49:49] bringing in more money than they're
[1:49:50] spending and that really sets the tone
[1:49:52] for the district to be financially
[1:49:53] responsible, safe, and be ready for for
[1:49:56] what they need to be prepared for.
[1:49:59] Those 81 homes, again, the age-targeted
[1:50:01] ones,
[1:50:02] they're if they're not really generating
[1:50:04] kids, they're not going to have the
[1:50:05] $14,000 per year expense for the
[1:50:07] students that you normally would have
[1:50:09] from single-family homes. But, they will
[1:50:11] be paying taxes and they will be paying
[1:50:14] income tax if they're still working. So,
[1:50:15] there's some revenue coming in. Just
[1:50:17] trying to point that out as well to kind
[1:50:18] of offset some of the um
[1:50:21] the ratio from the other homes that
[1:50:22] might be generating students. So, with
[1:50:25] that said, I just wanted to kind of give
[1:50:27] my history of Commercial Point, um
[1:50:29] both, you know, personally and
[1:50:30] professionally, and give our information
[1:50:33] as far as how we go about researching
[1:50:35] student impact in school districts and
[1:50:38] hopefully educate some of you guys on
[1:50:39] your own community and school districts.
[1:50:41] So, any questions?
[1:50:43] I I just have one comment to the
[1:50:45] comments. So,
[1:50:46] superintendent said that it's
[1:50:48] we're growing at a rate of 15 to 16%.
[1:50:50] Your what? We're growing at 15 to 16%.
[1:50:53] >> That's a good point. Yes, let's talk
[1:50:54] about that. So,
[1:50:56] um
[1:50:58] to answer your question, with deductive
[1:51:00] reasoning, it'd be pretty easy with the
[1:51:02] numbers of increase
[1:51:04] that the majority of those are new
[1:51:06] move-ins, not move-ups, because we
[1:51:08] wouldn't track the move-ups in total
[1:51:11] enrollment. Correct. As a school
[1:51:12] district, we might have a school. So, I
[1:51:15] don't want to get it twisted
[1:51:17] that uh
[1:51:18] you know, that's that's
[1:51:20] Yeah, no, I I respect that.
[1:51:22] >> versus move-up.
[1:51:23] >> Sure. Well, we're 15 to 16% increase in
[1:51:26] total enrollment, those are move-ins.
[1:51:28] So, can I ask you where you got that
[1:51:29] data for the 15%? Um
[1:51:32] I have good connections and it is public
[1:51:35] with records.
[1:51:35] >> Sure. Okay, so I got the same public
[1:51:37] record information and I took a 10-year
[1:51:39] forecast and looked at enrollment
[1:51:41] counts. The last 10 years, on average,
[1:51:43] your enrollment has increased about 70
[1:51:46] per year. You actually had Teays Valley
[1:51:48] School District
[1:51:50] negative enrollment in 2019-2020.
[1:51:53] COVID, right? The following year you had
[1:51:55] a little uptick in your enrollment up to
[1:51:57] almost 200 a year. But, if you look at
[1:52:00] the course of the last 10 years and it
[1:52:01] follows the trend of subdivisions even
[1:52:04] or COVID, you're averaging about 70 70
[1:52:07] new enrollees
[1:52:08] a year.
[1:52:09] You're also averaging 300 graduates a
[1:52:12] year, which is a really excellent
[1:52:14] graduation rate. So, I just wanted to
[1:52:15] point that out.
[1:52:18] Anything else?
[1:52:21] Thank you. Did you guys Did you have any
[1:52:23] further updates? Cuz I want to I I know
[1:52:25] that
[1:52:26] I think did you have anything that you
[1:52:27] wanted to add from our community where
[1:52:29] we uh
[1:52:30] I asked about those two points
[1:52:34] particularly the grassy green spaces,
[1:52:37] but
[1:52:38] outside of that, I didn't I didn't
[1:52:39] expect
[1:52:41] Yeah.
[1:52:43] But, I mean, there there'd also been a
[1:52:45] conversation, a good conversation I
[1:52:46] thought about
[1:52:48] having some fencing along the
[1:52:52] roadside along McCord. Yes. Um
[1:52:55] so, I just kind of wanted to see where
[1:52:57] you guys
[1:52:58] were generally at with some of the
[1:53:00] feedback that Yeah, along McCord Road,
[1:53:02] certainly we would do split-rail fencing
[1:53:04] and delineation fencing along McCord. Uh
[1:53:08] and along uh Dorr. And we can present
[1:53:11] that uh landscaping plan for those entry
[1:53:15] features as well.
[1:53:16] Okay. Now, any of the items that did
[1:53:18] come up during the land land use
[1:53:20] committee from the community, uh was
[1:53:23] there anything updated from that point
[1:53:25] that had stuck or that you had made a
[1:53:28] note of? There was one that I that kept
[1:53:30] sticking in my mind. Some of the other
[1:53:31] ones did come up when we were talking
[1:53:33] about this.
[1:53:33] There was a concept that potentially the
[1:53:35] product from section A and section B
[1:53:39] potentially flip
[1:53:40] >> Flipping? What What's the
[1:53:42] any prognosis on that? Because I know
[1:53:44] that there were some reasoning behind it
[1:53:45] shortly
[1:53:46] >> they are
[1:53:47] >> Yeah.
[1:53:48] swapping these two. Because of the What
[1:53:50] was the elevation, I believe, of the one
[1:53:52] product is lower and having it to see
[1:53:55] how would the view would be or how it
[1:53:57] would fit with the
[1:53:59] So, that was I knew that was one that I
[1:54:00] wanted to make sure where we're at on
[1:54:02] that or what the
[1:54:02] >> [laughter]
[1:54:03] >> Yeah, the issue that the The only the
[1:54:06] issue that we found there, if we can go
[1:54:07] back to that so that the council can
[1:54:10] see.
[1:54:13] You have it.
[1:54:15] There you go. Okay, the gold area is the
[1:54:17] proposed age-
[1:54:19] targeted product. The blue area would be
[1:54:22] more single-family at a at roughly 52-ft
[1:54:26] foot wide lots. The The blue area is
[1:54:28] still proposed more as two-story
[1:54:30] product, whereas the gold area would be
[1:54:32] all the ranch. The reason the question
[1:54:34] came up is that property, the white
[1:54:36] property due south of the blue, was one
[1:54:39] of the uh
[1:54:40] township residents that was concerned
[1:54:43] with just having the neighbors and if
[1:54:45] they had a lower product that was
[1:54:47] single-story versus two two-story
[1:54:49] product, they wouldn't be looking into
[1:54:50] the property.
[1:54:52] We looked at that and the the concern
[1:54:54] there is just that the the thoroughfare
[1:54:58] or the main spine road that comes
[1:55:00] through from McCord and kind of connects
[1:55:03] through down to Dorr is would be through
[1:55:06] that age-targeted product if we flipped
[1:55:09] that.
[1:55:10] Typically, the that age-targeted
[1:55:12] product, that resident likes to be more
[1:55:15] set aside and more what I would call
[1:55:17] just uh exclusive or set aside. So,
[1:55:21] that's why we didn't, but we could
[1:55:22] certainly add that that We had talked
[1:55:24] about mounding along that south
[1:55:26] perimeter there just to make and and
[1:55:29] planting uh uh
[1:55:30] pines and trees on the top there there
[1:55:33] to screen that area there. I don't think
[1:55:35] I heard the first part of it that
[1:55:36] happened a couple weeks ago, so I just
[1:55:38] wanted to be clear on that. Thank you.
[1:55:40] Janet, are you guys thinking of
[1:55:42] outward-facing towards the road so it it
[1:55:45] looks nice? We had
[1:55:49] We we had uh
[1:55:51] another development that has has failed
[1:55:53] to come in. That's one thing we were,
[1:55:55] you know,
[1:55:56] we're going to be higher quality.
[1:55:58] If you can't get us the three, you know,
[1:56:01] maybe you could give us the
[1:56:02] outward-facing homes just on the, you
[1:56:04] know, so it looks nice going by.
[1:56:07] With McCord Road being so tight,
[1:56:10] it might help the
[1:56:12] patio homes to have it that way as well.
[1:56:14] So,
[1:56:16] you know, if they want to sit out and
[1:56:17] watch traffic or watch across the field
[1:56:19] to the new ball fields for deer.
[1:56:21] >> Mhm. You know, and and
[1:56:22] it helps the perception of going down
[1:56:25] cuz we don't see 47 trampolines and 16
[1:56:28] different
[1:56:30] fences
[1:56:31] as people are driving by. I I would love
[1:56:34] to see that a standard moving forward,
[1:56:36] but
[1:56:38] I know that's a big expense.
[1:56:42] Well,
[1:56:45] it can be.
[1:56:46] I
[1:56:47] >> [clears throat]
[1:56:47] >> and
[1:56:48] typically, what you're going to find
[1:56:50] there is you either you either access
[1:56:52] off of McCord
[1:56:53] where you create like a pri- a private
[1:56:55] driveway there that would come in and
[1:56:57] flag into the driveways that would front
[1:57:00] McCord. That's one That's one
[1:57:02] possibility. The other possibility is if
[1:57:04] you're facing them there, then you have
[1:57:06] those backyards facing the other
[1:57:08] residents.
[1:57:10] So, I or
[1:57:14] we do some significant landscaping along
[1:57:18] McCord that you're not and and and
[1:57:21] have enough opacity that you're not
[1:57:24] seeing a lot of that uh that a lot of
[1:57:26] that what you'd call the rear yards
[1:57:28] there.
[1:57:29] I guess, thinking of it from the end
[1:57:31] user standpoint, Mhm. um I would rather
[1:57:34] have my backyard
[1:57:36] facing my neighbors
[1:57:38] than the other way. And then,
[1:57:41] couldn't you spend that
[1:57:44] landscaping money in doing a block or
[1:57:48] whatever from the other neighbors having
[1:57:50] to see So, you're spending it on the
[1:57:52] people paying the money for the house,
[1:57:53] not the people driving by. Mhm.
[1:57:56] I I, you know, I know your engineers
[1:57:58] probably hate me or love me cuz I always
[1:58:00] have work, but
[1:58:01] I just Is it an option?
[1:58:04] This is not a light project. Mhm. And
[1:58:07] those little concessions to us, I mean,
[1:58:10] I know they're big money to you
[1:58:11] possibly,
[1:58:13] but what what maybe
[1:58:15] be another olive branch that you're
[1:58:17] trying. Sure. I'm not going to hold you
[1:58:19] to it.
[1:58:20] >> No, you're asking yeah, for us to take a
[1:58:22] look at it. Okay.
[1:58:28] » [clears throat]
[1:58:41] » Then one one last thing that I just
[1:58:43] passed out so that
[1:58:46] in the in development text, three minor
[1:58:49] changes that
[1:58:51] three minor corrections that we wanted
[1:58:53] to change. Um
[1:58:55] in subarea B, it has a 50-ft rear yard
[1:58:57] setback.
[1:58:58] That obviously the all of them are 25.
[1:59:01] So, we would want to change that to 25.
[1:59:04] Uh and then also subarea B states that
[1:59:06] the text
[1:59:08] Um or the text states that the minimum
[1:59:09] two
[1:59:10] two-story single-family residence shall
[1:59:12] not be less than 1,800 square foot. And
[1:59:14] for clarity's sake, we want to put in a
[1:59:17] ranch a one-story minimum of 1,500.
[1:59:21] Just so that it's, you know,
[1:59:23] a ranch is typically going to be a
[1:59:24] little smaller, but we want to specify
[1:59:26] that just so we're not
[1:59:28] So, we are we're all on the same page.
[1:59:30] And then in subarea C, we'd want that
[1:59:33] same language, 1,800 square foot for the two-story
[1:59:38] and
[1:59:39] uh
[1:59:40] it it says that all houses should be
[1:59:42] 1,800, but we'd want to do 1,500 square
[1:59:44] foot for the ranch in subarea C as well.
[1:59:47] What's the timeline on you guys's
[1:59:49] thoughts of actually starting the clock
[1:59:51] on this
[1:59:52] and having everything ready
[1:59:54] to put us on the time clock? Cuz I know
[1:59:56] you know, the traffic study has to be
[1:59:58] included and all that stuff. I mean are
[2:00:00] we looking months or we looking years?
[2:00:03] Uh well, I mean I just mean can I mean
[2:00:05] typically uh
[2:00:06] the engineering is 6 to 9 months and
[2:00:09] reviews. And then bid development
[2:00:12] development's anywhere from another 6 to
[2:00:15] 8 months.
[2:00:17] Uh by the time you start your first
[2:00:18] home, you're you're 15 18 months from
[2:00:22] today. And end of 2017.
[2:00:24] >> that first home, you're 22 months.
[2:00:31] So, uh yeah, I just I know the traffic
[2:00:33] study and all that has to be before you
[2:00:35] actually punch the ticket to put us on
[2:00:37] the 60 90 or 120-day clock. I just
[2:00:40] didn't know how far out you think that
[2:00:41] would be. Yeah.
[2:00:42] There there there appears to be some
[2:00:44] interest, and I appreciate that from council. You've given us a lot to
[2:00:50] go back and work with or go back and
[2:00:51] look at and work with. I don't think
[2:00:53] anything here is unreasonable uh for us
[2:00:56] to uh to to come back to council. I'm
[2:00:58] just wanting to make I'm I'm I'm
[2:01:00] concerned about the ordinance that is
[2:01:04] up for tonight's
[2:01:05] vote is this uh as far as new
[2:01:08] developments. Okay, the more important
[2:01:10] Yeah, the more important, yes. The
[2:01:11] 180-day one.
[2:01:13] Yes.
[2:01:17] So,
[2:01:17] >> [clears throat]
[2:01:17] >> that is our concern. Just are we Are we
[2:01:20] still working in that? We would have
[2:01:22] obviously to work on an economic
[2:01:23] development agreement and development
[2:01:25] agreements.
[2:01:27] Uh
[2:01:28] we're perfectly willing to go back and put these things back in a plan and
[2:01:32] come back to council with the
[2:01:34] suggestions that we brought. I'll just
[2:01:35] tell you my intention with
[2:01:38] the more important one in second reading
[2:01:40] is
[2:01:41] to
[2:01:43] move you to
[2:01:45] go away from that one
[2:01:47] later on tonight
[2:01:49] try to move forward with the
[2:01:51] 100
[2:01:52] the 180-day
[2:01:54] parking today's agenda.
[2:02:00] Okay.
[2:02:07] Anything else you have for me, sir?
[2:02:08] Jack, thank you for your time. Thank you
[2:02:09] all for your time. Appreciate you.
[2:02:12] Okay, in accordance to our
[2:02:14] change of agenda,
[2:02:16] uh I'm going to hereby make a motion to
[2:02:18] enter into executive session
[2:02:20] under Ohio Revised Code Section 121.22G3
[2:02:25] to confer with attorneys for building
[2:02:27] and commercial points concerning
[2:02:29] disputes involving the village or the
[2:02:31] subject of imminent court action.
[2:02:34] Do I have a motion? Motion.
[2:02:36] Second. Okay, second Courtney.
[2:02:39] Roll call.
[2:02:42] Eric.
[2:02:45] Jay. Yes. Patricia. Yes. Courtney. Yes.
[2:02:48] Eric. Yes. Justin. Yes.
[2:02:51] And I want to invite Wendy,
[2:02:53] Dave,
[2:02:55] and our solicitor, of course.
[2:03:05] Now, don't take anything with it. Don't
[2:03:07] take anything that's sticking.