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This is the investment.

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Welcome to the Charter Township

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of Comstock board meeting Monday, September 21st, 2026.

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This meeting is now called to order.

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May we please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance,

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Pledge of Allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Clerk Lawrence be looking for any changes

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or approval for the agenda.

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Yeah, we need to make a few changes to the agenda tonight.

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So if you can bear with me, I think I have the changes for

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everyone and I'm gonna try to summarize.

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First and foremost, we need to move the minutes

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out of the consent agenda.

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There's some errors that had to be corrected, so I'd like

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to move those to the first item under clerk.

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Following that item, I would also like to add under clerk

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proposal to discontinue granicus

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discussion and possible action.

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We need to move bills payable July 23rd to September 18th

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to the consent agenda under treasurer.

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We need to add forensic audit RFPs after the millage rate

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and under supervisor

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as the first item at mdo presentation.

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I'd be looking for a motion

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to amend the agenda as presented.

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Move to amend the agenda as presented.

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Support Motion made by,

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We need to motion for as amended or as presented.

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So if we do it as presented, yeah

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As amended.

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As amended motion made by Trustee Van Bruin

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supported by Treasurer Bloomfield.

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Correct. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed?

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Motion passes. Moving along to public comment

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on agenda items only a citizen may state their name

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and address and may speak only one time

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for no more than three minutes.

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This time may not be given to another citizen

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to extend their time, the person speaking as the floor

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and no other citizen shall speak during someone else's time.

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During this time you'll be making statements

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to the board without discussion from board members.

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But you're welcome to make an

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appointment with the supervisor.

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Discuss your comments. Further contact information

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is located by the door.

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Please keep comments, clean and respectful.

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I thought you guys changed that agenda stuff last time.

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As far as this equipment for the fire department, is that

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for the, can we please keep ments down please?

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Will that be for like the battery plant

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for the emergency equipment?

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Yeah, I know they're not going to answer my question.

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They haven't answered so far

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On then Tammy, I'm going to, in California,

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this Plager plant has blown up five times.

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We've helped you guys out quite a bit on this board,

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not the new board, the old board.

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We gotta fight this thing.

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If you guys notice in the packets that I handed out to you,

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how many schools were closed because of this in California.

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These people, do you care about us

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is what we wanna know.

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Do you care what happens to our children in those schools?

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Do you care about the air quality?

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If you care about all that stuff,

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then help us fight this battery plant.

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It's just a money making machine is all it is.

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If you guys would look at things that we have looked up

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that we have looked at, consider that

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you guys aren't gonna get all this money out of them.

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They're already being sued three times

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their assets are frozen.

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Look at up please.

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I have nothing against this new board.

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Like I said, some of you I don't know,

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but we have helped out Sandy getting out

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her mess a couple times.

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We have helped out Ben.

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Now please help your residents

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help us go Lansing or something with this.

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I know somebody right now that's looking for an attorney

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to put a hold on this

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and if that's the way that we have to go with this,

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this battery plant is nothing compared to our children.

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You know how many children have left the elementary school

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and went to Galesburg because of this?

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You could have a lot more STEM's gonna be empty

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by the time they start putting this up.

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We are sick and tired of this battery stuff.

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If you want it, put it over there in industrial park

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where it's supposed to be, not

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by the residential area.

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They changed the zoning and everything for this.

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I know they bought the golf course that don't matter to us.

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To us, our our lives, our children's lives, our

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grandchildren's lives.

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This is our future that we are talking about.

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This ain't only gonna harm humans,

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it's gonna harm our animals that buzzing constantly.

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Thank you. Thank you ma'am.

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Anything else?

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Karen? Height in response to Tammy's thing

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and all the comments that have been going on on Facebook

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about our township accepting this.

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We don't accept it but it's inevitable.

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The previous board that worked on it

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and took it out of the moratorium allowed that company

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to start the paperwork with the state.

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Once it has started with the state,

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there's nothing we can do about it.

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It's gonna happen whether we want it or not.

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People need to quit ******** about it

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and ******** at everybody about it

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because it's gonna happen even though we don't want it.

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If you want it to stop then go after your governor.

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She's the one that signed the orders for the

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renewable energy and the PA 32 33.

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Not this board, not this township, not this county.

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It was done at the state level.

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What has happened here in this township

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by taking it outta the moratorium early

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and letting it go,

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letting the companies fill out their paperwork

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and start the process.

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That was the other board that was not this board

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and it's now out of our hands

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and we can try to fight it as much as we want now,

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but it's not gonna happen.

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And people need to understand that It wasn't Ben,

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it wasn't Sandy, it wasn't Jerry.

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It was the previous board, the previous superintendent

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that all worked on this behind our backs

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and allowed it to happen and now we're stuck with it.

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So we're gonna have to do the best we can.

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We do have a good fire department

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and God forbid that anything happens to our township,

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but it's gonna happen.

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That's the progress the way the United States is going.

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I hate it. Everybody else hates it

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but there's nothing we can do about it.

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And to get up here and keep begging you guys

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to do something when there's really nothing you can do,

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but make the best of what we have by

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what the new ordinance did.

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That's all I got to say on it. Thanks.

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Thank you ma'am. I live close enough for Virginia

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to hear we understand here.

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My name is Mary Beth Wood.

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I live at, I have lived at 8 2 2 9 Palm Meadow Trail

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for the past 13 and a half years.

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I've attended the past two meetings of the planning board

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and there's been a plethora of promises

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and PowerPoint presentations made by the representatives of

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the Swan, Cigna and the Copenhagen people.

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They state that they will re-gift approximately a hundred

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acres to the township for open space and

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or recreational usage.

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Nobody in their right mind wants to hang out next to a bus.

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I live nine tenths of a mile away and that's too close.

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Also promised a sound wall will be built,

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which may possibly lower noise levels by five to 10 decibels

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and have the added bonus of being an even bigger eyesore

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than the best itself.

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Also discussed we're funding the training costs

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and newer upgraded equipment for our fire department.

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And let's not forget the literal millions of dollars

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Comstock will receive planning board member Amber Lawrence

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repeatedly told the applicants representatives

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that the community does not want this to happen.

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But like you said, it's, it's a dumb deal and we the voters

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and taxpayers are powerless.

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Three minutes is not enough time

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to discuss the ramifications this project will have

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on our wildlife and our groundwater.

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Are they gonna pay for city water

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to be installed for everybody?

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'cause our wells are gonna be contaminated.

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I would like to see the applicant's project timeline

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for when they hope to break ground

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so I can put my beautiful home in Fond Meadows on the market

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and GTFO before construction starts

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and property values plummet because they will.

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And and one last thing in regards to the millions of dollars

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that they are going to give Comstack Township,

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when you make a deal with the devil,

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he does not come out the loser.

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Thank you.

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Thank you ma'am. Thank you.

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Hi everyone. I just wanna say how happy I am

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to see this new board.

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My name is Jessica Veter. A lot of you know where I live.

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I've been coming to these meetings

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and Planning Commission meetings for over a year now.

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I am a relatively new Michigander

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and member of our community.

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I'm from New York originally

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and it has been a wild year. Super crazy

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If we can stop the conversations in the crowd,

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it goes a long way when someone's at the

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podium and they have the floor.

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It's just the respectful thing to do. Thank you very much.

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Thanks Ben. I'll yell next time. Don't worry.

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I am so proud

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and looking forward to what all

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of you are gonna be able to do for us.

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And I just wanted to start there with the best.

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I have been watching a long time.

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I watched the Planning Commission last year try

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to keep the moratorium going and then fail.

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I watched the previous members of the board

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who are no longer here, literally tried

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to put us into the ground because they wanted this so badly

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because obviously they're getting something from it.

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We'll figure that out in the forensics. I'm not so worried.

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Obviously, you know, courts do a a really good job

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of figuring out people and and where that's gonna come from.

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I do however, think that it's very important for us to still

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stand hard, say what we believe

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and say, we do not want this here.

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We don't think that they're doing enough.

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We want, if it's gonna happen, we want more, we want more,

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we want more, we want more.

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Remember everybody, it's up to us to be able to fight.

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We can do that at any time.

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Just because something is already on its way

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because of some horrible people that have left us in a very,

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very, very bad situation doesn't mean that some

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of these people can't help us fix that.

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And hopefully we can come to something that makes everybody

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as comfortable as they can be with what's going on.

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I do wanna talk a little bit about

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myself and the best.

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I think that I might be the only person that has ever

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survived a national disaster in this country of

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that magnitude where things are burning.

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I'm, I'm talking about nine 11.

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I am a huge proponent for fire and police.

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I absolutely love you with every fiber of my body.

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You saved many, many of my family members that day.

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However, in this town I have watched for a year

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things be very uneven and I would like to come do tours

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and talk more with all the fire department

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'cause it makes me very uncomfortable.

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The amount of money that is being given

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to you while the rest of our town is just crumbling,

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it's really uncomfortable.

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It feels uncomfortable

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because of somebody with a particular last name that used

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to sit in the clerk's office.

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I'll say it right now, it feels like depo baby situation.

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I don't know if you guys know what that means,

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but it's, if you're related to somebody, things tend

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to go their way and that's how it looks from the outside.

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I'd love to find more information. Thank you ma'am.

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Thank you very much.

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There Any further comments? Alright,

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Sorry Ben, I know you wanted to move this along.

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John Dickman, township president.

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In regards to the best, personally,

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I worked in a similar technology for the last 10 years.

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I was gainfully employed.

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Now that being said, yes,

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this technology does need to be re be respected,

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but to the point that was brought up about Los Isley,

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most whatever it is, California going up in flames.

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The batteries that plant used are two generations older than

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the ones that CIP proposes to use

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in the plant on North 30th Street.

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And what that means is these batteries are safer.

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They're also tested by the National fire protection.

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They're also tested at the National Hurricane Center.

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On top of that, there is another more advanced

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and safer technology that's getting ready to hit the market.

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Now in a smaller scale,

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Toyota is actually making the sodium batteries available in

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the Asian markets for 600,000 units

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that they're gonna distribute.

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That being said, I talked with one of the gentlemen from CIP

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and I asked him, should new battery technology come along

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while this plant is in operation?

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And he cut me off right there

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and he said, yeah, we're we're absolutely open

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to taking a look at that technology.

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Now that being said, I'm gonna go back to the beginning

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of this public act.

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2 33 was passed by a democratic house, a democratic senate,

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and signed by a Democratic governor

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that her hand had her hands in a Democratic president's

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pocket and it was for green dollars.

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That's the whole reason that that was done.

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That's the whole reason

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that the state legislature took the ability for us to rezone

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and control plants like this

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because they knew that the townships were gonna stand up

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to these when last October came rolling around

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and the zoning was finally coming down to being completed.

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Attorney Thal actually said that Copenhagen had been,

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had been following parallel channels, one with us

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and one with the state.

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And it's my opinion that the only reason

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that they stayed talking to us was

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because the previous board had lifted the police powers

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of the ordinance, left the moratorium

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for the zoning in place.

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I think without that I think that plant would be up

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and running and 350 feet from that school right now today.

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So thank you very much.

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Thank you sir. If there's no further comment,

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we'll be moving along to announcements for department's,

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boards and commissions.

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Mr. Auer or commissioner,

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Good evening.

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Larry Auer.

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I'm your liaison commissioner

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with the Road Commission Kalamazoo County.

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Due to some personal reasons I haven't been

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around too much at your meetings.

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I'm been other places, but not in front of you.

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I know your board's turned over some

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so I thought it'd be important to get here.

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Introduced myself, road commission wise,

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construction's done well this year.

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Starting to wind down doesn't mean it's complete service.

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Requests are getting handled more timely funding.

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We adopted a budget

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for this current construc this current year similar

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to the prior year.

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Dollars are flowing slightly above that.

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We're not seeing the, I'll call it pie in the sky numbers we

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heard of earlier, you know, roughly a year ago.

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We are hearing some neighborhood road dollars are gonna

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start coming in, I don't know the month,

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I'll say a month or two out and more to follow.

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So we'll be talking with you about those subjects.

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Public service is really the realm we're

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in as a road commission.

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Part of that is our safe streets for all trying to do stuff

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that's good for the public doesn't mean we all agree.

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So more to come on that.

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But we have a full slate of work to do

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and we appreciate working with your township.

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So open to questions or comments.

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I do have to leave early tonight.

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I don't like to leave before your meeting's over,

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but I got a second meeting at seven so, and call me anytime.

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You don't have to limit questions to now. So

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Any board questions, it's Good to see you Larry.

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Okay, thank you very much.

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I'll, I'll be around a little while yet. I duck out.

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Okay, commissioner, excuse me.

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I'm John Gisler. I'm the county commissioner for five

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of the 15 rural townships in the county.

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Comstock's by far the biggest.

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I have a total of 15, excuse me, 14 precincts in my district

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and you guys are seven of them.

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So the other four amount

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to essentially the same as you have.

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I put some documents in front of you figuring

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I think I distributed these before,

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but if not, I wanted this new board to have a chance to see

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what kind of things they can expect coming from

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the county through me.

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And the first one is the

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Taxable value spreadsheet that was put together

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by our equalization department.

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It shows how trends for taxation

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taxable values have changed over the last nine years.

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All these are based on things ending in each year,

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2025 being the most current.

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And they distribute these

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and make 'em available to us in May.

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So it seems, you know, behind the eight ball or kinda late,

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but that's the way it's always been done.

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They need to get their assessments

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and equalization factors coordinated

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and it takes 'em till the month of May to get that done.

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So I encourage everybody take a peek at it.

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It'll let you know where Comstock stands with respect

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to other taxing jurisdictions.

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I also left on each of your desks a senior expo announcement

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dealing with the senior expo at the

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expo center on October 6th.

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And it'll run from nine to three.

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I try to make an appearance there just

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to see what's going on.

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And this year it looks like it's gonna be bigger than ever.

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They have already 150 plus

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not vendors, but shall we say suppliers

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of services to seniors.

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And it's, it may be bigger than that now,

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but last time I heard was a week ago

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and they said the count is now at 1 52 I think.

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So you might want to make sure that all

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of your senior citizens at least are aware of this.

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They don't have to go. It's not mandatory by any measure.

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You don't make out like a bandit,

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but there's probably gonna be a lot of freebies, you know,

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key chains and stuff like that if you got people

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that like that kind of thing.

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I also left for you a housing department annual report,

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which again, I think was issued in May of this year.

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And it shows what's being spent in the way of that.

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I think last year the millage housing millage generated

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$9.2 million and this will explain how that was spent.

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One last thing or no, it's not. The last thing.

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One quick thing is the airport did reopen on the

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19th to commercial traffic.

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So all the commercial airlines are now moving in

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and out of Kalamazoo just as they have in the past.

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And that also means

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that the runway extension going south on the main runway

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has been completed and it's an extra 500 feet

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that will now allow not so much newer planes to come in,

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although you never know what Boeing

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and McDonald Douglas May have in mind In terms

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of new planes, it's mainly

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to provide a little bit more safety

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when planes come in on slippery runways because of ice

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or water, this will give them an extra 500 feet

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to be able to stop before they get to the end of the runway

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and go across Kilgore Road if they're headed north.

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And the last thing is something that I'm referring to

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as a pot pouch.

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It's a lockable pouch.

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Heavy duty got two keys inside and the health

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and community services department has these in their lobby

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at their security desk.

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And all you have to do is walk in and ask for one.

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It's to keep pot away from kids and from animals.

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And I will leave this with you, Ben, not

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because I figure you need it more,

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but I only got one for each township

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Treasure.

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Bloomfield wants it for money, she said. There

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You go.

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Any comm? Any questions for commissioner?

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Thank you Commissioner. Appreciate

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It.

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They're probably useful for other things too.

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I haven't figured out exactly what I'm gonna use mine for,

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but you know, maybe I'll just have to start smoking pot

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For you.

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Oh, that's great. Thank you very much Commissioner.

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Give you a medical conversation. All we're moving along.

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Looking for approval of the consent agenda as amended.

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I make a motion to approve

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the consent agenda as amended

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Support motion made by Treasurer Bloomfield,

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supported by Trustee Amos.

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All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes.

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Moving through presentations through business and into fire

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and rescue request a purchase station alerting equipment

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for new fire station nine three.

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Alright, good evening.

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I wanna take time to welcome the new trustees.

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Looking forward to working with each of you.

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Keep our township moving forward.

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Fire department's always

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and me in particular, always available to answer questions

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and this opportunity is out to the public as well.

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We do want to ensure that we get

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the correct information out.

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It's very tough sometimes to chase a Facebook comment

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to get the facts out, but we're always available a phone

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call, email stop in.

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I'm happy to help clarify things.

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Additionally, I'm always excited to have an opportunity

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to boast about the great work that our men and women do each

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and every day for this community.

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So if someone wants to stop in

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and talk, they're probably gonna hear a little bit about all

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the good stuff going on as well For the business.

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Tonight we are requesting

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to purchase station alert

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equipment for the new fire station.

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Nine three. The total is $147,000,

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a hundred forty seven, eight hundred ninety $4 and 46 cents.

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This is included in the budget for the new station.

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So this is nothing new and it's an owner provided list.

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So this is something that we would

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provide not the contractor.

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There is a 6% cost increase

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effective at the end of this week.

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So I wanted to get moving on it

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'cause that would save us over $8,800.

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This technology is currently in all three

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of our fire stations.

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We are gonna move what we can from our current station

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to the new station, but we have some gaps to fill.

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Additionally, there's no other quotes available

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for this equipment at Sole source.

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This is it. This is what dispatch use it

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to send it out out to the departments.

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So we really don't have another option to do

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unless we wanna pay more for a dispatch server

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that's not in place for different technology.

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So it would not be recommended to go elsewhere.

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This technology is what alerts the station for the calls.

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So it turns on the alarms

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and turns on the lights and the stations.

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It's very more health conscious, heart healthy compared to

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what we used to have when I started the department

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and basically alert throughout the station.

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So any call that came through dispatch

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and was sent to that station,

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it would alert, it would alert the station.

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So we are looking for a approval to move forward

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with this request this evening.

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Happy to answer any questions,

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Any board questions Mr. Hart?

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Yeah. What system are we using now at the other stations?

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This is called the US Digital Design Phoenix G two system.

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And we're, we're using it,

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many departments in the county rely on their pagers only,

519
00:27:48,605 --> 00:27:50,685
but since we're a staff station, other staff stations

520
00:27:50,685 --> 00:27:52,365
that use this as Kalamazoo Public Safety,

521
00:27:53,125 --> 00:27:57,245
Portage Public Safety Fire Division, and Kalamazoo Township.

522
00:28:00,115 --> 00:28:04,285
Trustee Amos, any questions? No Clerk. Lawrence? None.

523
00:28:05,005 --> 00:28:07,245
Treasurer Bloomfield? No.

524
00:28:07,245 --> 00:28:09,285
Other than I know you have the money to pay for it.

525
00:28:09,585 --> 00:28:11,445
We do. Trustee Paver?

526
00:28:13,105 --> 00:28:14,565
No, I, I mean it's already,

527
00:28:14,865 --> 00:28:16,205
we already have the funds for it.

528
00:28:16,265 --> 00:28:17,965
It makes sense for us to, to do that.

529
00:28:18,345 --> 00:28:21,325
If we're concerned with the best, then these are things

530
00:28:21,325 --> 00:28:23,285
that need to be done and assured

531
00:28:23,285 --> 00:28:24,805
and if we wanna save money, then

532
00:28:25,385 --> 00:28:27,165
saving us 6% makes a lot of sense.

533
00:28:27,385 --> 00:28:30,005
So I don't have a lot. Trustee Van Bergen agreed.

534
00:28:30,225 --> 00:28:31,845
No questions? I have no questions.

535
00:28:32,385 --> 00:28:34,485
If there are no questions, be looking for a motion.

536
00:28:39,715 --> 00:28:44,085
Also move. So we'll wanna just,

537
00:28:44,085 --> 00:28:46,325
we'll wanna be a little bit more descriptive

538
00:28:46,865 --> 00:28:49,805
and so we'll be looking for a motion first and then,

539
00:28:50,065 --> 00:28:51,845
and then we'll look for a second.

540
00:28:52,185 --> 00:28:54,325
So somebody would make

541
00:28:54,325 --> 00:28:55,965
The motion to approve the purchase

542
00:28:57,585 --> 00:28:59,085
of the station or earn any equipment

543
00:29:00,595 --> 00:29:01,685
Looking for support.

544
00:29:02,145 --> 00:29:05,765
Second. Motion made by Trustee Hart, supported

545
00:29:05,765 --> 00:29:06,805
by Trustee Paver.

546
00:29:07,065 --> 00:29:10,965
All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Opposed?

547
00:29:13,265 --> 00:29:17,805
So we have six. Yay. One nay. Motion passes. Thank you.

548
00:29:17,805 --> 00:29:22,765
Thank you Chief. Moving along, Doug. Clerk Lawrence.

549
00:29:25,415 --> 00:29:29,365
Thank you. So first up we have the minutes

550
00:29:29,625 --> 00:29:32,965
for the August 19th, 2026 meeting.

551
00:29:33,125 --> 00:29:35,085
I had to pull these from the consent agenda

552
00:29:35,085 --> 00:29:37,765
because there were several errors

553
00:29:37,765 --> 00:29:39,885
that were in the original draft.

554
00:29:39,945 --> 00:29:44,845
So I wanna apologize to everyone for submitting some minutes

555
00:29:44,955 --> 00:29:46,845
that had some errors in them.

556
00:29:47,385 --> 00:29:49,725
The content was all accurate,

557
00:29:50,025 --> 00:29:51,965
the changes were formatting based.

558
00:29:52,055 --> 00:29:56,605
There was some duplication of motions and so on in there.

559
00:29:56,625 --> 00:30:00,125
And I will explain on the next agenda item how

560
00:30:00,125 --> 00:30:01,125
and why that happened.

561
00:30:01,225 --> 00:30:03,125
But I needed to pull these minutes out

562
00:30:04,065 --> 00:30:07,005
and see if we could get approval for them separately

563
00:30:07,005 --> 00:30:09,965
because they are slightly different than the

564
00:30:09,965 --> 00:30:11,245
draft that was published.

565
00:30:12,665 --> 00:30:13,925
Any questions for Clerk Lawrence?

566
00:30:15,505 --> 00:30:17,085
If not, I'd be looking for a motion

567
00:30:17,225 --> 00:30:19,205
to approve the amended minutes.

568
00:30:21,605 --> 00:30:23,805
I make a motion to approve the amended minutes

569
00:30:24,875 --> 00:30:28,245
support motion made by Treasurer Bloomfield, supported

570
00:30:28,245 --> 00:30:29,685
by Trustee Van Bergen.

571
00:30:29,705 --> 00:30:33,365
All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes.

572
00:30:35,345 --> 00:30:38,565
All right, so moving along to Granicus, which

573
00:30:40,665 --> 00:30:44,325
is a new software to me, quite frankly,

574
00:30:44,555 --> 00:30:45,725
it's pretty cumbersome.

575
00:30:46,065 --> 00:30:48,565
So it's what we use in the township

576
00:30:48,705 --> 00:30:50,405
for our agendas and our minutes.

577
00:30:50,865 --> 00:30:52,925
And at first glance it seems pretty simple,

578
00:30:53,905 --> 00:30:57,765
but once you get in it's, it's pretty over-engineered

579
00:30:57,825 --> 00:30:59,845
and it's partly what led to some

580
00:30:59,845 --> 00:31:01,485
of the errors in the templating.

581
00:31:02,425 --> 00:31:04,925
It has templates that are very difficult to edit,

582
00:31:05,895 --> 00:31:07,965
which make it incredibly time consuming.

583
00:31:07,965 --> 00:31:09,565
And just to give you an example of the edit,

584
00:31:09,565 --> 00:31:11,965
they're still printing with supervisor Randy

585
00:31:12,285 --> 00:31:13,445
Thompson's name on them.

586
00:31:14,225 --> 00:31:19,205
And my understanding is that kind of the, the way through

587
00:31:19,205 --> 00:31:23,845
that in the past was just to simply print them, edit it,

588
00:31:24,925 --> 00:31:26,245
re-upload it as a PDF,

589
00:31:26,245 --> 00:31:28,405
because other folks couldn't figure out how

590
00:31:28,405 --> 00:31:29,645
to change the template either.

591
00:31:29,825 --> 00:31:34,765
So when I did a little bit of digging, I found

592
00:31:34,955 --> 00:31:38,645
that this software, we were under a contract

593
00:31:39,495 --> 00:31:43,085
quite a bit ago and the contract started at about

594
00:31:43,085 --> 00:31:45,925
$7,800 a year.

595
00:31:45,975 --> 00:31:50,485
Thank you. And it has since gone up, you know,

596
00:31:50,595 --> 00:31:52,085
consecutively each year.

597
00:31:52,305 --> 00:31:56,925
So $7,800 in 2023 $8,200 in

598
00:31:56,925 --> 00:32:00,045
2024, $9,000 in 2025.

599
00:32:00,045 --> 00:32:04,245
These are annual costs and $10,000 in 2026.

600
00:32:04,665 --> 00:32:09,605
Our contract ended in April of 25

601
00:32:10,265 --> 00:32:14,445
and I can do minutes faster and cheaper using A PDF.

602
00:32:14,785 --> 00:32:17,765
So my proposal is to get rid of granicus

603
00:32:17,785 --> 00:32:19,165
and save the township 10

604
00:32:19,165 --> 00:32:21,405
or $11,000 at the rate it's going up,

605
00:32:21,405 --> 00:32:22,885
it'll cost us 11 next year.

606
00:32:25,745 --> 00:32:27,085
Any questions for Clerk Lawrence?

607
00:32:31,465 --> 00:32:35,165
Is there a competitor to Gran Granicus

608
00:32:35,435 --> 00:32:36,725
that you would be interested in?

609
00:32:37,935 --> 00:32:40,805
Quite frankly, I think once one,

610
00:32:40,875 --> 00:32:43,365
I've already created A-A-P-D-F template

611
00:32:43,465 --> 00:32:45,405
and that's pretty simple to work with.

612
00:32:46,145 --> 00:32:49,845
And with the new website changes

613
00:32:49,995 --> 00:32:52,245
that were approved in the last meeting, we'll be able

614
00:32:52,245 --> 00:32:56,245
to drag, drag and drop the, the file right on.

615
00:32:56,585 --> 00:32:59,005
So it, it's far simpler

616
00:32:59,185 --> 00:33:01,205
and I think we just don't need to over-engineer it.

617
00:33:02,345 --> 00:33:04,645
So I think she said the competitor is Clerk Lawrence.

618
00:33:06,505 --> 00:33:08,645
So is there any further board questions?

619
00:33:10,205 --> 00:33:11,845
I don't, I just wanna make sure there is,

620
00:33:12,135 --> 00:33:13,605
we're not under contract with them,

621
00:33:13,605 --> 00:33:14,965
so there'd be no cancellation.

622
00:33:16,835 --> 00:33:21,445
Correct. So the last email I received was

623
00:33:21,515 --> 00:33:25,325
that our contract ended April

624
00:33:25,585 --> 00:33:26,885
of 2025.

625
00:33:27,985 --> 00:33:30,965
And you know, at this rate I'm really just saying like,

626
00:33:30,965 --> 00:33:31,965
let's not renew it

627
00:33:33,065 --> 00:33:35,645
and we can even, if I will confirm,

628
00:33:35,665 --> 00:33:38,525
if we can get a prorated refund, I'm happy to get a refund.

629
00:33:38,905 --> 00:33:41,365
But at any rate, I'd like us to not continue

630
00:33:41,365 --> 00:33:42,365
to spend money on it

631
00:33:42,585 --> 00:33:45,965
and we can learn in the meantime

632
00:33:46,305 --> 00:33:49,325
to simplify our lives.

633
00:33:52,305 --> 00:33:53,965
Any further questions for Clerk Lawrence?

634
00:33:54,865 --> 00:33:56,245
If not, I'd be looking for a motion

635
00:33:58,475 --> 00:34:01,045
Move to discontinue using software

636
00:34:01,065 --> 00:34:03,805
and not renewing our prescription subscription

637
00:34:04,275 --> 00:34:08,485
Support motion made by Trustee Van Bruen, supported

638
00:34:08,485 --> 00:34:09,885
by Trustee Hart.

639
00:34:10,465 --> 00:34:15,445
Any board discussion? Trustee Van Bruen? Anything? No.

640
00:34:15,445 --> 00:34:18,005
Trustee Paver, no Treasurer Bloomfield?

641
00:34:18,465 --> 00:34:19,685
No, but thanks for doing that.

642
00:34:20,395 --> 00:34:23,405
This the second set that you did is awesome.

643
00:34:23,515 --> 00:34:24,605
It's so easy to read.

644
00:34:25,035 --> 00:34:27,365
It's, it's a nice presentation and format.

645
00:34:27,845 --> 00:34:28,845
Anything further? Clerk Lawrence?

646
00:34:29,985 --> 00:34:31,765
No, I'm excited to save $10,000.

647
00:34:32,675 --> 00:34:35,685
Trustee Amos? No, no, I'm good. Trustee Hart?

648
00:34:35,685 --> 00:34:38,085
Nothing further. And I can echo

649
00:34:38,115 --> 00:34:41,285
that every time I've logged into Granicus, I found a new way

650
00:34:41,465 --> 00:34:44,765
to log in and there's like a front page, a back page,

651
00:34:45,565 --> 00:34:46,845
multiple ways to upload.

652
00:34:48,165 --> 00:34:50,205
I did post a meeting kind

653
00:34:50,205 --> 00:34:51,885
of in a scramble when we weren't able

654
00:34:51,885 --> 00:34:53,405
to quorum and, and do that.

655
00:34:53,465 --> 00:34:56,045
And I believe life could be much simpler.

656
00:34:56,265 --> 00:34:57,605
So definitely in support.

657
00:34:57,825 --> 00:35:02,605
So we have a motion, we have support. All in favor say aye.

658
00:35:02,825 --> 00:35:05,085
Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes.

659
00:35:06,695 --> 00:35:10,565
Great, thank you. So next up is citizen comment

660
00:35:10,825 --> 00:35:13,685
and an answer to the comment that came up

661
00:35:13,685 --> 00:35:15,605
during the first citizen comment tonight.

662
00:35:15,625 --> 00:35:18,485
We had not corrected this, but plan to tonight.

663
00:35:19,385 --> 00:35:21,205
So I'd like to have some discussion.

664
00:35:21,265 --> 00:35:25,805
And my recommendation is that we adjust citizen comment

665
00:35:25,985 --> 00:35:27,805
to include both agenda

666
00:35:28,025 --> 00:35:30,445
and non-ag agenda items at both the first

667
00:35:30,665 --> 00:35:33,925
and second comment positions

668
00:35:34,305 --> 00:35:36,485
and kind of my reasoning and thoughts behind it.

669
00:35:36,685 --> 00:35:41,045
Although, you know, I'm sure many of us would agree,

670
00:35:41,445 --> 00:35:44,845
I think that a ci a citizen shouldn't have to sit

671
00:35:44,865 --> 00:35:47,765
and wait through the entire meeting to be able

672
00:35:47,785 --> 00:35:50,085
to let us know something that is on their mind

673
00:35:50,085 --> 00:35:51,125
or that we need to address.

674
00:35:51,225 --> 00:35:52,845
And I think it's a, it's

675
00:35:56,515 --> 00:35:59,645
intentionally or unintentionally trying to quiet voices

676
00:35:59,835 --> 00:36:02,125
that maybe we, of things we don't wanna hear

677
00:36:02,185 --> 00:36:04,125
by making it more difficult for somebody

678
00:36:04,145 --> 00:36:05,485
to have to be able to speak up.

679
00:36:05,505 --> 00:36:06,925
And I'd like to ease that burden

680
00:36:06,945 --> 00:36:08,765
and allow our citizens to speak to us

681
00:36:09,085 --> 00:36:10,325
whenever they so choose.

682
00:36:10,465 --> 00:36:11,805
So that's my thoughts.

683
00:36:13,185 --> 00:36:17,005
Any board questions? If not, I'd be looking for a motion.

684
00:36:18,205 --> 00:36:20,965
I move that we change the citizen's comment to

685
00:36:22,435 --> 00:36:23,565
include both agenda

686
00:36:23,565 --> 00:36:24,605
and non agenda items

687
00:36:25,585 --> 00:36:28,365
for the first public comment at board meetings,

688
00:36:28,555 --> 00:36:31,325
Support motion made by Treasurer Bloomfield,

689
00:36:31,325 --> 00:36:32,645
supported by Trustee Amos.

690
00:36:32,905 --> 00:36:36,445
All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes.

691
00:36:38,755 --> 00:36:42,445
Okay, the next one is election commission

692
00:36:42,715 --> 00:36:44,165
Trustee appointments.

693
00:36:44,265 --> 00:36:47,805
So the election commission in a charter comms in a charter

694
00:36:47,845 --> 00:36:49,765
township is the clerk

695
00:36:49,865 --> 00:36:52,725
and two trustees in a non-charter township.

696
00:36:52,825 --> 00:36:56,125
It is the clerk, supervisor and treasurer.

697
00:36:56,545 --> 00:36:58,485
So because it is two trustees and

698
00:36:58,485 --> 00:37:00,285
because we have had a switch of the board

699
00:37:00,385 --> 00:37:04,165
and we have an election coming up, I need a couple

700
00:37:04,185 --> 00:37:05,765
of trustees who are interested in

701
00:37:06,085 --> 00:37:07,405
participating in the election commission.

702
00:37:07,545 --> 00:37:10,325
And I would tell you first and foremost, one

703
00:37:10,325 --> 00:37:11,405
of the requirements

704
00:37:11,425 --> 00:37:15,325
of it is there is a public accuracy test on our equipment

705
00:37:15,325 --> 00:37:18,085
that will be done on October 8th at noon.

706
00:37:18,505 --> 00:37:21,205
And so I will need those trustees to be available

707
00:37:21,505 --> 00:37:22,605
and present during that.

708
00:37:22,665 --> 00:37:25,405
So there's some times that you'll need to be present for,

709
00:37:27,265 --> 00:37:31,285
but you know, wanted to bring it to the board for one.

710
00:37:31,385 --> 00:37:34,365
If anyone is particularly interested in the trustees,

711
00:37:34,545 --> 00:37:35,765
I'd like to hear from you.

712
00:37:35,825 --> 00:37:39,125
And two, would like to get those appointments made tonight

713
00:37:39,185 --> 00:37:41,725
so that we can continue carrying forward

714
00:37:41,725 --> 00:37:42,805
with election responsibilities.

715
00:37:43,675 --> 00:37:47,405
Christy Hart? Yes, I I could be available for that duty.

716
00:37:48,675 --> 00:37:51,165
Trustee Amos? No, I'm fine.

717
00:37:54,875 --> 00:37:59,765
Trustee Favor? I'm sorry, I was reading. Yeah, yeah.

718
00:37:59,765 --> 00:38:02,645
What are the times that need to be available again?

719
00:38:03,265 --> 00:38:06,085
The eighth is the first and foremost one.

720
00:38:06,085 --> 00:38:08,925
There will be some others around election time

721
00:38:09,255 --> 00:38:12,525
where you'll have to be present as well as helping

722
00:38:12,665 --> 00:38:15,725
to select our, our chair and so on and so forth.

723
00:38:15,825 --> 00:38:18,325
So there's a couple other responsibilities involved,

724
00:38:19,425 --> 00:38:22,045
but I need, I need two trustees with me to Okay.

725
00:38:22,825 --> 00:38:24,085
To serve with the pleasure of the people.

726
00:38:24,145 --> 00:38:25,565
So if you need me then you need me.

727
00:38:26,265 --> 00:38:29,365
So, and Trustee Van Bruen. Thank you gentlemen.

728
00:38:32,945 --> 00:38:35,125
So it sounds like Trustee Paver

729
00:38:35,225 --> 00:38:39,045
and Trustee Hart are up for the responsibilities.

730
00:38:39,345 --> 00:38:44,285
So I would, I guess I need to make a motion correct.

731
00:38:46,345 --> 00:38:49,605
So I move that Trustee Hart

732
00:38:49,605 --> 00:38:52,285
and Trustee Paver fulfill the roles

733
00:38:52,305 --> 00:38:55,365
of the Trustee appointments on the election commission

734
00:38:56,315 --> 00:38:59,765
Support motion made by Clerk Lawrence, supported

735
00:38:59,765 --> 00:39:01,125
by Trustee Van Bruen.

736
00:39:01,305 --> 00:39:04,725
All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes.

737
00:39:05,195 --> 00:39:06,245
That was a quick support.

738
00:39:08,965 --> 00:39:10,605
I see how it goes. Alright,

739
00:39:11,395 --> 00:39:15,165
next up is the Homecoming parade permit

740
00:39:15,425 --> 00:39:16,645
for October 2nd.

741
00:39:16,905 --> 00:39:19,005
So Comstock High School would like

742
00:39:19,005 --> 00:39:20,605
to have their homecoming parade.

743
00:39:21,225 --> 00:39:24,205
The parade will step off from the Family worship center on

744
00:39:24,205 --> 00:39:27,205
East H, turn on to North 26th Street

745
00:39:27,305 --> 00:39:29,445
and finish at Comstock High School.

746
00:39:30,395 --> 00:39:33,205
It's parade time would be from four 30 to six 30.

747
00:39:34,145 --> 00:39:36,885
Rep estimated participants is 150

748
00:39:37,225 --> 00:39:39,245
and it's required that we,

749
00:39:40,995 --> 00:39:42,725
that we approve that at the board.

750
00:39:42,865 --> 00:39:44,365
So that's what I'm bringing to you for

751
00:39:44,625 --> 00:39:45,925
Any questions for Clerk Lawrence?

752
00:39:48,625 --> 00:39:50,045
If not, I'd be looking for a motion.

753
00:39:51,085 --> 00:39:54,205
I make a motion that we accept the Homecoming parade permit

754
00:39:54,865 --> 00:39:56,685
for ten two and 26

755
00:39:57,075 --> 00:40:00,045
Support Motion made by Trustee Amos.

756
00:40:00,045 --> 00:40:03,165
Supported by Clerk Lawrence. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye.

757
00:40:03,165 --> 00:40:04,565
Opposed? Motion passes.

758
00:40:07,435 --> 00:40:11,365
Alright, next up is our Insurance Renewal plan.

759
00:40:11,785 --> 00:40:14,285
Review discussion and action.

760
00:40:14,345 --> 00:40:17,085
And so I would like

761
00:40:17,085 --> 00:40:20,085
to bring everybody along on this journey.

762
00:40:20,945 --> 00:40:24,365
So every year the township board has to review benefits

763
00:40:24,625 --> 00:40:29,085
and make a decision on the renewal of the benefits

764
00:40:29,085 --> 00:40:31,525
that are afforded to township employees.

765
00:40:32,875 --> 00:40:35,685
There's several plans that were quoted out for us,

766
00:40:36,225 --> 00:40:37,845
and I'll tell you the first route.

767
00:40:37,935 --> 00:40:41,605
There was one that seemed really good

768
00:40:42,025 --> 00:40:43,965
and it seemed like we were gonna save a lot of money

769
00:40:44,265 --> 00:40:45,965
and we did a lot of due diligence,

770
00:40:45,965 --> 00:40:47,565
including calling providers

771
00:40:47,785 --> 00:40:49,645
and they've never heard of the plan before.

772
00:40:50,385 --> 00:40:54,725
So I think it's a waste of township resources to pay

773
00:40:54,745 --> 00:40:58,285
for a plan that is not going to take care of its people.

774
00:40:58,825 --> 00:41:02,245
So we have in front of us a few different plans here

775
00:41:04,465 --> 00:41:08,245
and you know, pricing down of the renewal

776
00:41:08,345 --> 00:41:10,805
of the current plan, which

777
00:41:11,105 --> 00:41:12,685
of course like everything in the world

778
00:41:12,685 --> 00:41:14,005
these days is going up.

779
00:41:14,025 --> 00:41:16,765
So $72,000 of increased cost.

780
00:41:17,615 --> 00:41:20,325
There is, that's an HMO plan.

781
00:41:21,255 --> 00:41:23,845
There is, that includes an HSA,

782
00:41:24,415 --> 00:41:28,605
there is a PPO plan that does not include an HSA,

783
00:41:28,605 --> 00:41:32,725
that's $167,000 increased.

784
00:41:33,575 --> 00:41:36,005
There is another

785
00:41:39,365 --> 00:41:43,165
HMO that's $145,000 increase

786
00:41:43,165 --> 00:41:44,605
with a lower HSA

787
00:41:45,225 --> 00:41:48,205
and then there is a PPO with an HSA

788
00:41:48,205 --> 00:41:50,485
that's $114,000 increase.

789
00:41:50,625 --> 00:41:53,285
So bringing these to the board for discussion,

790
00:41:55,845 --> 00:42:00,165
I think that I would just say

791
00:42:00,165 --> 00:42:01,845
that I think that when we,

792
00:42:05,435 --> 00:42:07,405
When you work for an employer and you have medical care

793
00:42:08,225 --> 00:42:09,245
and you set that up

794
00:42:09,345 --> 00:42:11,365
and you get all of your doctors established

795
00:42:11,465 --> 00:42:14,845
and you're rocking and rolling continuously, changing

796
00:42:14,995 --> 00:42:18,125
that plan is not always ideal.

797
00:42:18,465 --> 00:42:23,005
And so my thought is renewal of the current plan.

798
00:42:23,265 --> 00:42:25,445
One of the other things we explored was if we wanted

799
00:42:25,445 --> 00:42:29,165
to offer additional plans that they would be,

800
00:42:29,345 --> 00:42:32,765
the increased cost would be at the cost of the,

801
00:42:34,105 --> 00:42:35,765
at the cost of the subscribers.

802
00:42:35,865 --> 00:42:38,765
So for example, if the township offers plan A

803
00:42:39,105 --> 00:42:42,685
and the Diff, you wanted to upgrade care to plan B

804
00:42:42,865 --> 00:42:45,925
and the cost difference was $200 a month,

805
00:42:46,625 --> 00:42:49,245
an employee could opt to do that at their cost.

806
00:42:49,545 --> 00:42:52,885
So that's, that's one thought that's out there,

807
00:42:53,025 --> 00:42:54,525
but would just open it up

808
00:42:54,545 --> 00:42:56,805
for discussion questions, thoughts.

809
00:42:56,805 --> 00:43:00,565
But Ben and I sat through a lot of conversations with

810
00:43:01,305 --> 00:43:02,805
our insurance rep and went back

811
00:43:02,805 --> 00:43:05,485
to the drawing board at least three times on this to get

812
00:43:05,485 --> 00:43:06,965
to this, these plans.

813
00:43:08,745 --> 00:43:10,765
And I can say that we did due diligence,

814
00:43:10,765 --> 00:43:12,765
obviously there was a chance for some savings.

815
00:43:12,945 --> 00:43:15,965
And when you call through a hefty list of individuals

816
00:43:15,965 --> 00:43:17,845
that are named providers,

817
00:43:17,905 --> 00:43:20,485
but they don't know what the plan is, you realize

818
00:43:20,485 --> 00:43:22,325
that you might be saving money for a reason.

819
00:43:22,825 --> 00:43:24,565
And what would that do to our staff?

820
00:43:25,105 --> 00:43:29,565
And we looked at it from a standpoint of us of where are,

821
00:43:29,705 --> 00:43:31,325
is the staff happy with?

822
00:43:31,425 --> 00:43:34,005
And the general consensus was that a majority

823
00:43:34,005 --> 00:43:36,365
of the staff was happy with the current plan that we have.

824
00:43:36,755 --> 00:43:39,365
That is an H-S-A-H-M-O plan.

825
00:43:39,945 --> 00:43:40,965
And then the other option

826
00:43:40,965 --> 00:43:45,045
that we looked into was the PPO plan and Clerk Lawrence

827
00:43:45,105 --> 00:43:48,605
and I penciled out that perhaps if we went to a PPO plan

828
00:43:49,345 --> 00:43:51,885
for, we forego the HSA,

829
00:43:52,835 --> 00:43:56,685
that the PPO plan could potentially actually be a savings.

830
00:43:57,625 --> 00:44:02,405
But however, some employees may per may

831
00:44:03,905 --> 00:44:05,925
prefer to have an HSA.

832
00:44:06,305 --> 00:44:09,405
So I think that Clerk Lawrence said there's,

833
00:44:09,405 --> 00:44:12,405
there could be a caveat to how we, we would,

834
00:44:12,425 --> 00:44:14,485
if we would wanna step, have two plans

835
00:44:14,985 --> 00:44:18,845
to give our employees options, we would need

836
00:44:18,845 --> 00:44:21,725
to make our board motion to where if,

837
00:44:21,825 --> 00:44:25,405
if one employee doesn't enroll in that plan, then by default

838
00:44:25,755 --> 00:44:26,965
that plan's not available.

839
00:44:28,075 --> 00:44:32,365
There's the option of the H-S-A-H-M-O renewal

840
00:44:32,905 --> 00:44:34,165
at an increased cost.

841
00:44:35,105 --> 00:44:38,605
And then there's the option of the PPO, there's the option

842
00:44:38,605 --> 00:44:41,565
of the PPO but without an HSA,

843
00:44:42,425 --> 00:44:46,165
or perhaps this could be a question for clerk clearance is,

844
00:44:46,855 --> 00:44:51,525
would you be able to do the, the PPO with an HSA

845
00:44:51,525 --> 00:44:52,765
but they pay the difference.

846
00:44:56,335 --> 00:44:59,485
There is, yeah, there is a PPO with an HSA,

847
00:44:59,485 --> 00:45:04,125
there was also an option if you did the PPO without the HSA,

848
00:45:04,125 --> 00:45:08,565
that you could do a flexible spending account that the

849
00:45:09,285 --> 00:45:11,725
employee could put money into if they would like to.

850
00:45:11,945 --> 00:45:16,805
So it's an, if you did the, the PPO without the HSA,

851
00:45:16,905 --> 00:45:18,645
the employees could put money into

852
00:45:18,645 --> 00:45:19,765
a flexible spending account.

853
00:45:19,765 --> 00:45:21,645
They have different rules than HSAs,

854
00:45:22,705 --> 00:45:25,845
but there's a few different puzzle pieces here

855
00:45:25,845 --> 00:45:28,165
that we could go with.

856
00:45:28,665 --> 00:45:32,445
And again, the recommend my thought, my, my thought was

857
00:45:32,505 --> 00:45:34,205
to say, okay, here's a base plan

858
00:45:34,665 --> 00:45:36,765
and then if there is a premium cost above

859
00:45:36,765 --> 00:45:39,205
what the base plan is that that would, that would be,

860
00:45:39,345 --> 00:45:40,765
you know, handled by the associate

861
00:45:41,585 --> 00:45:43,525
And the base plan being the plan that they're,

862
00:45:43,755 --> 00:45:45,005
that we're currently using.

863
00:45:45,185 --> 00:45:46,285
That's what I think. Yes.

864
00:45:49,715 --> 00:45:52,805
Trustee Hart, any input, insight, thoughts?

865
00:45:53,365 --> 00:45:55,005
I do. Trustee Paver

866
00:45:55,005 --> 00:45:58,365
and myself met with the fire department today,

867
00:45:59,165 --> 00:46:02,125
I believe all available on duty personnel.

868
00:46:02,955 --> 00:46:06,365
They were overwhelmingly in support of

869
00:46:07,025 --> 00:46:09,325
the current healthcare plan

870
00:46:10,385 --> 00:46:13,405
and from their point of view would very much so care

871
00:46:13,425 --> 00:46:14,525
to continue as is

872
00:46:17,675 --> 00:46:18,675
Trustee Amos.

873
00:46:18,675 --> 00:46:21,805
Any Insight Treasurer Bloomfield,

874
00:46:25,315 --> 00:46:26,925
This is a little bit ahead of the game,

875
00:46:27,065 --> 00:46:31,725
but we also met with Chief Bow Champ today

876
00:46:32,345 --> 00:46:33,725
and went over budgets.

877
00:46:34,145 --> 00:46:39,045
And since they are not

878
00:46:39,045 --> 00:46:42,645
raising any of their millages for the next year,

879
00:46:43,465 --> 00:46:44,645
and they are going to,

880
00:46:44,715 --> 00:46:46,805
with their budget help absorb the cost,

881
00:46:47,525 --> 00:46:49,925
I don't see a problem going with the renewal.

882
00:46:52,015 --> 00:46:53,925
Thank you. Treasurer Bloomfield, Trustee Paver.

883
00:46:54,965 --> 00:46:57,965
I would have to echo what Treasurer Bloomfield said.

884
00:46:58,285 --> 00:47:02,485
I mean, if like Treasurer Hart said that we went and,

885
00:47:02,505 --> 00:47:03,965
and spoke with them and met with them

886
00:47:05,225 --> 00:47:07,005
and they're all pretty happy with,

887
00:47:07,035 --> 00:47:08,125
with where we're at right now.

888
00:47:08,185 --> 00:47:09,405
So that makes the most sense to me.

889
00:47:10,095 --> 00:47:13,845
We're going to, you know, this is something that I think

890
00:47:15,025 --> 00:47:19,925
is really, it's gonna make a difference in their

891
00:47:19,925 --> 00:47:22,325
lives as much as it is in our lives.

892
00:47:22,625 --> 00:47:24,605
And these are the people that will be coming

893
00:47:25,025 --> 00:47:26,245
and we want these people

894
00:47:26,425 --> 00:47:29,645
to be in their best shape when they come and save us.

895
00:47:31,105 --> 00:47:32,285
You know, knock on

896
00:47:32,285 --> 00:47:36,165
what just hopefully it's not fake wood, you know?

897
00:47:36,265 --> 00:47:39,845
And so to me it, it makes the most sense for us to continue

898
00:47:39,915 --> 00:47:41,165
with the, the program.

899
00:47:41,355 --> 00:47:42,885
They're not raising any millages.

900
00:47:43,945 --> 00:47:48,525
And so it, it's a, it's a no brainer to me on this one.

901
00:47:48,765 --> 00:47:50,125
I think that we continue forward,

902
00:47:50,535 --> 00:47:52,405
these people are gonna be more integral

903
00:47:52,425 --> 00:47:55,525
and important than ever as we move forward.

904
00:47:55,945 --> 00:47:59,645
And so it, it, it's up to us to make sure that, you know,

905
00:47:59,645 --> 00:48:01,525
we take care of them as much as we, they take care of us.

906
00:48:01,945 --> 00:48:06,485
So that's it. Thank you. Trustee Paver. Trustee Van Bruen.

907
00:48:06,795 --> 00:48:09,005
Yeah, I, I agree with all the settlements up here.

908
00:48:09,085 --> 00:48:11,765
I would be interested in knowing if we could do a step up

909
00:48:11,765 --> 00:48:13,965
plan for somebody if they had different interests in it

910
00:48:13,965 --> 00:48:15,165
and what that would look like.

911
00:48:15,265 --> 00:48:18,925
And, 'cause I know personally throughout my career there

912
00:48:18,925 --> 00:48:20,805
have been options and different points in my life

913
00:48:20,805 --> 00:48:22,725
where I go, okay, now I wanna step up to this

914
00:48:22,905 --> 00:48:24,325
or you know, I don't really care

915
00:48:24,525 --> 00:48:27,125
for an H-M-O-P-P-O works better for me at this time.

916
00:48:27,145 --> 00:48:29,525
So I would be interested in in that discussion on

917
00:48:29,525 --> 00:48:31,525
and see if it's a possibility to do something like that for,

918
00:48:31,745 --> 00:48:33,005
And as long as it's the same

919
00:48:33,205 --> 00:48:34,365
provider, it is a possibility.

920
00:48:34,385 --> 00:48:36,845
We just have to have one employee enroll in that program.

921
00:48:37,585 --> 00:48:41,525
And then another caveat that we'll get into as we rolled out

922
00:48:42,645 --> 00:48:44,925
employee navigator, which has been something

923
00:48:44,925 --> 00:48:46,925
that our insurance has been able to offer us,

924
00:48:46,985 --> 00:48:49,085
but we, the township hasn't been utilizing yet.

925
00:48:49,455 --> 00:48:52,445
It'll allow for open enrollment electronically

926
00:48:52,745 --> 00:48:54,965
and then it'll create an account for the employees

927
00:48:54,965 --> 00:48:57,205
to make changes they need to change up address.

928
00:48:57,305 --> 00:48:58,885
If they wanna change a little bit of things,

929
00:48:59,775 --> 00:49:01,645
it'll give them some ownership to be able

930
00:49:01,845 --> 00:49:03,405
to get into that pro program.

931
00:49:04,105 --> 00:49:07,085
And then as later items in the agenda we'll talk

932
00:49:07,085 --> 00:49:08,245
about some integration.

933
00:49:08,625 --> 00:49:11,805
And so if we were able to have different plans

934
00:49:12,345 --> 00:49:15,125
we could keep our ducks in a row by that software being able

935
00:49:15,125 --> 00:49:16,645
to kinda lead the way.

936
00:49:17,385 --> 00:49:22,085
So Clerk Lawrence, what do you think?

937
00:49:22,345 --> 00:49:25,325
As far as, yeah, I know we did one.

938
00:49:25,465 --> 00:49:30,165
One thing would be is with that the calculation with the HSA

939
00:49:30,785 --> 00:49:32,605
and then the, the difference of the plan.

940
00:49:32,725 --> 00:49:34,605
I don't know how we would wanna do that.

941
00:49:34,605 --> 00:49:38,765
If we would wanna keep an HSA with the HMO

942
00:49:39,875 --> 00:49:42,885
keep an HSA with a PPO and then they pay the difference.

943
00:49:44,275 --> 00:49:48,645
Does that, that seems like a win-win that they would be able

944
00:49:48,645 --> 00:49:50,845
to have the ability, or was it a trade off?

945
00:49:50,905 --> 00:49:55,885
You would get one or the other from foregoing the HSA,

946
00:50:00,825 --> 00:50:05,605
We do have a PPO with an HSA option listed on here.

947
00:50:05,665 --> 00:50:07,365
It just has a higher deductible.

948
00:50:08,345 --> 00:50:11,565
So you could look at that option

949
00:50:11,905 --> 00:50:13,325
or you, which is the,

950
00:50:13,905 --> 00:50:15,925
the one on your far right of the column.

951
00:50:16,185 --> 00:50:20,885
So that's the simply blue H-S-A-P-P-O Gold option three.

952
00:50:23,905 --> 00:50:24,925
You could look at that one.

953
00:50:25,065 --> 00:50:28,245
Or you could look at the PPO with the lower deductible,

954
00:50:29,335 --> 00:50:32,565
which is option four, which is right next to the renewal.

955
00:50:32,785 --> 00:50:36,045
So you could go, that one just doesn't include the HSA,

956
00:50:36,105 --> 00:50:38,925
so you certainly could add an HSA, that's

957
00:50:39,315 --> 00:50:42,005
however we would want to do that, to have

958
00:50:42,565 --> 00:50:47,205
multiple plan options just requires that, like I,

959
00:50:47,275 --> 00:50:50,525
like you said, somebody has to be, someone has to elect

960
00:50:50,625 --> 00:50:52,565
to be in it, otherwise we no longer

961
00:50:54,275 --> 00:50:55,565
have that plan as an option.

962
00:50:55,745 --> 00:50:56,745
So

963
00:50:58,685 --> 00:51:01,285
Question, so you could offer all of them

964
00:51:02,195 --> 00:51:03,565
with a difference in cost,

965
00:51:03,665 --> 00:51:05,245
but somebody would have to enroll on them.

966
00:51:05,835 --> 00:51:10,285
Correct. And I don't know whether we CI guess

967
00:51:10,285 --> 00:51:12,445
what I didn't get clear from Tom

968
00:51:12,465 --> 00:51:16,085
or Jack is do we have

969
00:51:16,085 --> 00:51:18,285
to have a guaranteed enrollment in one

970
00:51:18,285 --> 00:51:20,325
before we say we're offering it to everyone?

971
00:51:20,585 --> 00:51:23,525
Or if nobody enrolls that plan just drops off

972
00:51:23,825 --> 00:51:27,405
and then it's not eligible for like a new hire

973
00:51:27,545 --> 00:51:30,525
or a new newly eligible person. I think

974
00:51:30,525 --> 00:51:32,125
That's my, my thoughts were just

975
00:51:32,125 --> 00:51:35,325
to be overly clear in a board motion, just

976
00:51:35,325 --> 00:51:36,885
that way we wouldn't have to revisit it.

977
00:51:36,905 --> 00:51:38,925
It is just like, it's like a no brainer.

978
00:51:39,105 --> 00:51:40,565
But then we actually talked about it

979
00:51:40,565 --> 00:51:41,725
and said it in our motion.

980
00:51:42,425 --> 00:51:44,805
But I would like to bring the fire chief up if you could

981
00:51:44,805 --> 00:51:45,165
talk to us

982
00:51:50,535 --> 00:51:53,565
Chief, if you could enlighten us on, on

983
00:51:53,565 --> 00:51:55,405
what you're thinking, what, what staff's thinking,

984
00:51:55,545 --> 00:51:57,725
what's worked, kinda where we're coming from.

985
00:51:58,685 --> 00:52:01,485
I think that that would help catch everybody up to speed.

986
00:52:01,715 --> 00:52:04,325
Yeah, for sure. And appreciate the trustees coming out

987
00:52:04,325 --> 00:52:07,805
today to talk to our available staff short notice.

988
00:52:07,985 --> 00:52:09,765
So they got a perspective of what's going on.

989
00:52:10,305 --> 00:52:14,605
We do have 20 out of, out of all the people, we do have 20

990
00:52:15,245 --> 00:52:16,565
eligible people.

991
00:52:16,565 --> 00:52:18,085
So the bulk of it is on,

992
00:52:18,745 --> 00:52:21,325
on the fire department funded through the fire department.

993
00:52:23,105 --> 00:52:25,525
And I, and I owed this to Treasurer Bloomfield,

994
00:52:25,825 --> 00:52:27,405
but not counting pennies.

995
00:52:27,405 --> 00:52:30,125
And I know they count, but I came up with, we,

996
00:52:30,305 --> 00:52:33,045
we intentionally saved self regulated

997
00:52:33,045 --> 00:52:35,085
and saved over a hundred thousand dollars this year through

998
00:52:35,825 --> 00:52:37,565
how we staff with chief officers

999
00:52:37,925 --> 00:52:39,085
overtime for the traffic unit.

1000
00:52:41,145 --> 00:52:44,965
And additional responses are handled by on-duty staff only.

1001
00:52:44,965 --> 00:52:47,245
So we're not paying off-duty personnel to go to

1002
00:52:47,985 --> 00:52:52,125
and a highway safety traffic grant that was due

1003
00:52:52,125 --> 00:52:54,805
to expire in October and it's been renewed for another year.

1004
00:52:55,705 --> 00:52:58,365
So it, it was an easy math then you have to get down to the,

1005
00:52:58,385 --> 00:53:00,485
the nickels and dimes even to come up with that number.

1006
00:53:01,145 --> 00:53:05,245
So that would pay for any of those differences.

1007
00:53:05,665 --> 00:53:10,365
And we do have, our staff did take township wide, just

1008
00:53:10,365 --> 00:53:12,325
to note some concessions going in this year we did have

1009
00:53:13,045 --> 00:53:17,965
a PPO plan, which which seemed to be favorable with an HSA,

1010
00:53:18,585 --> 00:53:21,285
but it went up even as of three years ago, up 23%.

1011
00:53:22,185 --> 00:53:25,280
So we knew township, Paul knew that we had

1012
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,325
to get something still manageable but on a lower scale.

1013
00:53:28,825 --> 00:53:30,525
So that concession was made as well.

1014
00:53:30,525 --> 00:53:33,285
And I didn't include that dollar mark in here of

1015
00:53:33,285 --> 00:53:35,005
what our staff had taken.

1016
00:53:35,105 --> 00:53:36,685
So I think having that consistency,

1017
00:53:36,685 --> 00:53:39,045
what I'm hearing is keeping it the way it is,

1018
00:53:39,045 --> 00:53:43,005
they just took a pretty big move to go from a PPO

1019
00:53:43,125 --> 00:53:45,325
to a managed healthcare plan and HMO

1020
00:53:45,665 --> 00:53:47,445
and they just kind of sell the dust on that.

1021
00:53:47,785 --> 00:53:51,885
So I think to change up costs are gonna go up,

1022
00:53:51,885 --> 00:53:53,325
but we took some concessions internally,

1023
00:53:53,385 --> 00:53:54,645
so we're gonna absorb most of that.

1024
00:53:55,605 --> 00:53:59,485
I do wanna make a point though, is that, you know,

1025
00:53:59,485 --> 00:54:02,285
firefighters, we do, we do screen 'em every year we bring in

1026
00:54:02,325 --> 00:54:05,565
a, a physician's assistant in a, in a,

1027
00:54:06,665 --> 00:54:08,285
in a bus essentially to screen 'em.

1028
00:54:08,285 --> 00:54:10,285
And we have to do this. And this is the difference in our,

1029
00:54:10,785 --> 00:54:12,365
our job and compared to the general public.

1030
00:54:12,945 --> 00:54:15,525
So some stats firefighters have a 9% higher risk

1031
00:54:15,525 --> 00:54:16,565
of being diagnosed with cancer

1032
00:54:16,625 --> 00:54:18,805
and a 14% higher risk of dying from cancer

1033
00:54:19,315 --> 00:54:20,845
than the general population.

1034
00:54:21,415 --> 00:54:24,565
Testicular cancer is 2.02 times the risk

1035
00:54:24,905 --> 00:54:26,085
of the regular population.

1036
00:54:27,325 --> 00:54:30,125
Multiple myeloma 1.53 times greater risk

1037
00:54:30,835 --> 00:54:35,525
skin cancer 1.3 times mag melanoma,

1038
00:54:35,585 --> 00:54:40,005
1.3 times brain cancer, 1.31 times

1039
00:54:41,005 --> 00:54:44,405
prostate cancer, 1.28 times colon cancer, 1.21 times

1040
00:54:44,945 --> 00:54:47,685
and leukemia 1.14 times.

1041
00:54:47,945 --> 00:54:50,325
So we,

1042
00:54:50,505 --> 00:54:52,805
our motto at the fire department is taking care of those who depend on us.

1043
00:54:52,805 --> 00:54:54,325
And I think in this topic it is

1044
00:54:54,865 --> 00:54:56,285
not just the fire department employees,

1045
00:54:56,825 --> 00:54:59,965
but the employees that work for the township.

1046
00:55:01,265 --> 00:55:03,725
So I I believe that we should be taking care of them.

1047
00:55:04,895 --> 00:55:06,685
There is a lot of plan options

1048
00:55:06,685 --> 00:55:10,205
and there's plan options that are more platinum edition

1049
00:55:10,545 --> 00:55:11,885
and I think the concessions are made

1050
00:55:11,885 --> 00:55:13,405
to have a very modest plan.

1051
00:55:13,405 --> 00:55:14,405
Everybody's comfortable

1052
00:55:14,825 --> 00:55:17,045
and based on the concessions we did, we'd be happy

1053
00:55:17,105 --> 00:55:19,485
to support continuing on as is.

1054
00:55:19,905 --> 00:55:21,605
If we could get some options into it too,

1055
00:55:22,145 --> 00:55:25,565
I'd be i'd we'd be happy to entertain that as well.

1056
00:55:27,405 --> 00:55:28,765
Additionally, while I'm up here,

1057
00:55:30,025 --> 00:55:32,045
if you do look at a firefighter's job description,

1058
00:55:32,665 --> 00:55:36,525
if it is quite a bit different than many

1059
00:55:36,525 --> 00:55:40,805
of the job descriptions that you find in other places

1060
00:55:40,905 --> 00:55:43,765
of employment in the township, the things that we require

1061
00:55:43,765 --> 00:55:45,205
of our staff is a lot different.

1062
00:55:45,665 --> 00:55:49,845
So I, I think that having healthcare that's taking care

1063
00:55:49,845 --> 00:55:53,285
of our folks and keeping the the way it is,

1064
00:55:53,285 --> 00:55:56,965
including opting out of the 80 20 would be the best,

1065
00:55:56,965 --> 00:55:58,525
make the most sense for our personnel.

1066
00:55:59,785 --> 00:56:01,925
Can I say Trustee paver? Yeah.

1067
00:56:02,905 --> 00:56:06,525
And to just continue on what he said too is that something

1068
00:56:06,525 --> 00:56:08,965
that maybe some people aren't necessarily aware of is

1069
00:56:08,965 --> 00:56:11,685
that our de fire department also is responsible

1070
00:56:11,685 --> 00:56:16,325
for six miles of 94, the Amtrak, the DAM and hazmat

1071
00:56:16,585 --> 00:56:17,765
and now along with the best.

1072
00:56:18,305 --> 00:56:22,925
And so to me again, it's if, if they are happy with

1073
00:56:23,045 --> 00:56:24,405
what it is that they're being

1074
00:56:24,645 --> 00:56:26,845
provided right now, I think that like

1075
00:56:28,115 --> 00:56:30,365
Trustee, what's your long name?

1076
00:56:30,545 --> 00:56:33,285
Van? Van Ruben Van. Yeah, yeah, what he said.

1077
00:56:33,745 --> 00:56:37,165
And like he said, we can look at some, some opportunities

1078
00:56:37,305 --> 00:56:38,885
to, to provide better services.

1079
00:56:39,955 --> 00:56:44,165
He's got a long name and so yeah, I I think

1080
00:56:44,165 --> 00:56:46,685
that if they're happy with it, I'm happy with it

1081
00:56:48,705 --> 00:56:50,765
and it it, it's just gonna get,

1082
00:56:51,275 --> 00:56:52,525
it's just gonna get more difficult.

1083
00:56:52,785 --> 00:56:57,125
So I think that I

1084
00:56:57,125 --> 00:56:58,125
Agree supervisor.

1085
00:56:58,125 --> 00:57:01,445
I do got a note on the next topic if it's okay if I share

1086
00:57:01,445 --> 00:57:02,925
that now or do you want me to wait till the,

1087
00:57:03,315 --> 00:57:04,315
What do you think?

1088
00:57:04,315 --> 00:57:07,325
I I mean you're at the, at the podium. Let us have it.

1089
00:57:07,635 --> 00:57:09,805
Okay, so we, we understand, I think there's a majority

1090
00:57:09,805 --> 00:57:13,085
of understanding of the compensation policy in the township.

1091
00:57:13,345 --> 00:57:16,485
So I did some rough numbers. If we had our employees opt

1092
00:57:16,625 --> 00:57:19,845
out, so pay 20% of their healthcare,

1093
00:57:21,505 --> 00:57:25,085
it would actually, for the fire department, not including

1094
00:57:25,725 --> 00:57:28,805
overtime, we would pay $25,000 more

1095
00:57:28,805 --> 00:57:31,525
because their compensation policy

1096
00:57:31,745 --> 00:57:33,285
as a package should make them whole.

1097
00:57:33,945 --> 00:57:36,685
So theoretically their, their hourly rate goes up

1098
00:57:37,275 --> 00:57:39,245
theoretically what's paid in FICA

1099
00:57:40,265 --> 00:57:42,205
and retirement go up as well.

1100
00:57:42,865 --> 00:57:45,445
So the optic is, yeah, they now pay 20%,

1101
00:57:45,465 --> 00:57:47,285
but if they're making more for their hourly rate,

1102
00:57:47,655 --> 00:57:50,085
we're actually gonna pay them as a, as a unit

1103
00:57:51,385 --> 00:57:53,005
$25,000 more.

1104
00:57:53,665 --> 00:57:55,405
And I didn't even factor in overtime.

1105
00:57:56,185 --> 00:57:57,685
So you can amplify that number.

1106
00:57:58,105 --> 00:58:02,125
So I, I think the thought of, hey, you gotta pay for 20%

1107
00:58:02,125 --> 00:58:04,285
of your healthcare based on our compensation policy

1108
00:58:05,125 --> 00:58:06,325
somewhere that should be made up.

1109
00:58:07,425 --> 00:58:10,005
And if it is, I think the optic is, is that we're,

1110
00:58:10,635 --> 00:58:13,805
they're paying it, but actually we're paying more

1111
00:58:15,105 --> 00:58:17,525
to opt out if we stay true to our compensation policy,

1112
00:58:17,535 --> 00:58:19,725
which I think that we, that we should.

1113
00:58:19,945 --> 00:58:22,685
So again, not including overtime

1114
00:58:22,685 --> 00:58:24,485
and overtime is managed in the fire

1115
00:58:24,485 --> 00:58:25,605
department, but it's inevitable.

1116
00:58:26,585 --> 00:58:28,885
So that compounds all those factors into it.

1117
00:58:28,905 --> 00:58:31,525
So I just wanted to, while I was here, touch on that topic

1118
00:58:32,465 --> 00:58:34,565
And he's referring to the compensation policy

1119
00:58:34,985 --> 00:58:36,365
inside of the employee handbook.

1120
00:58:37,185 --> 00:58:40,805
Any questions for the fire chief Trustee Van Bruen?

1121
00:58:40,865 --> 00:58:43,925
Any questions? No questions. Trustee Paver?

1122
00:58:44,745 --> 00:58:46,565
No questions. Treasurer Bloomfield,

1123
00:58:47,085 --> 00:58:50,245
I have no questions but I do wanna say you are correct in

1124
00:58:50,245 --> 00:58:54,525
saying that when we can expense rather than pay FICA

1125
00:58:54,545 --> 00:58:57,245
and all the payroll taxes, were further ahead.

1126
00:58:58,115 --> 00:58:58,925
Yeah, it tends to count

1127
00:58:59,145 --> 00:59:00,405
To, to stay right where we're at.

1128
00:59:00,995 --> 00:59:03,165
Hold on actually, what was the highway safety grant total?

1129
00:59:04,435 --> 00:59:08,645
That was the current one is 32,000

1130
00:59:09,265 --> 00:59:12,245
and the next year's is 24,032.

1131
00:59:12,535 --> 00:59:13,885
Clerk Lawrence, any questions

1132
00:59:14,265 --> 00:59:15,685
Or excuse me, I'm sorry.

1133
00:59:15,785 --> 00:59:17,645
It was up to a hundred, a hundred thousand dollars this

1134
00:59:17,645 --> 00:59:19,525
year, but we couldn't expense any more than that.

1135
00:59:19,525 --> 00:59:22,285
So we're gonna be right in the $34,000 range. Okay,

1136
00:59:22,415 --> 00:59:23,415
Thank you.

1137
00:59:27,645 --> 00:59:31,765
I guess my, it what I'm hearing is, you know,

1138
00:59:32,055 --> 00:59:33,125
renew the current plan.

1139
00:59:33,405 --> 00:59:37,205
I don't know if it, I don't know if it's worth adding

1140
00:59:37,275 --> 00:59:38,365
options or not.

1141
00:59:38,565 --> 00:59:40,765
I don't know. I didn't get a good sense

1142
00:59:40,785 --> 00:59:43,965
of chief.

1143
00:59:44,305 --> 00:59:47,645
Do you, I mean, did you feel like people would be interested

1144
00:59:47,785 --> 00:59:51,085
in, in an upgrade option at their expense

1145
00:59:51,225 --> 00:59:53,205
to pay the difference or do you think it's better

1146
00:59:53,225 --> 00:59:55,245
to just stick where we're at?

1147
00:59:55,245 --> 00:59:56,725
Like what are you thinking? Well,

1148
00:59:56,725 --> 00:59:58,405
I think the hard work went in and,

1149
00:59:58,425 --> 01:00:00,925
and it was addressed when we were looking at the other plan.

1150
01:00:01,365 --> 01:00:03,045
So a lot of elbow grease went into that

1151
01:00:03,345 --> 01:00:06,365
and found a lot of the same answers that, whoa,

1152
01:00:06,605 --> 01:00:07,845
I got, I got not covered.

1153
01:00:08,005 --> 01:00:11,045
I gotta drive a, a long ways to get covered those options.

1154
01:00:11,505 --> 01:00:15,285
So wasn't as big of a, a push to add for the options.

1155
01:00:16,445 --> 01:00:19,005
I got a little sprinkling to be nice to have options,

1156
01:00:19,745 --> 01:00:22,885
but overwhelmingly just continuing what we have was

1157
01:00:22,995 --> 01:00:24,725
what was the feedback I received?

1158
01:00:26,305 --> 01:00:30,565
And my thoughts are is if we do the renewal baseline,

1159
01:00:31,035 --> 01:00:33,445
that that seems like, you know, solid plan

1160
01:00:34,105 --> 01:00:35,685
and then we give the options.

1161
01:00:36,495 --> 01:00:40,485
Especially I just see in the second one where, where this,

1162
01:00:40,795 --> 01:00:45,205
this HSA, you know, on the renewal it says HSA

1163
01:00:45,205 --> 01:00:47,125
and I think the second one that we were looking at

1164
01:00:47,125 --> 01:00:50,845
with the PPO, I don't believe that has an HSA in it.

1165
01:00:50,845 --> 01:00:51,965
Correct. This

1166
01:00:51,965 --> 01:00:52,965
One does.

1167
01:00:52,965 --> 01:00:54,245
And so this one does not.

1168
01:00:54,765 --> 01:00:56,245
Although you would look at these numbers

1169
01:00:56,345 --> 01:00:58,045
and you would see a bigger increase,

1170
01:00:58,505 --> 01:01:01,565
the back end would be the HSA contribution.

1171
01:01:02,425 --> 01:01:06,965
And so giving them the option, if we penciled

1172
01:01:06,965 --> 01:01:09,725
that out correctly, obviously, you know,

1173
01:01:09,725 --> 01:01:13,845
we wouldn't wanna go with that option in, in its entirety

1174
01:01:14,155 --> 01:01:17,125
because then we would, you know, miss the plan.

1175
01:01:17,225 --> 01:01:20,925
But I just think it wouldn't hurt in order to be able

1176
01:01:20,925 --> 01:01:23,165
to give that option because the cost is a wash,

1177
01:01:23,545 --> 01:01:25,045
but then it gives them the choice.

1178
01:01:26,105 --> 01:01:28,165
We have employee navigator to take care of the work

1179
01:01:28,625 --> 01:01:31,085
and open enrollment and then it's up to them

1180
01:01:31,105 --> 01:01:33,045
and their, their, you know, their needs

1181
01:01:33,065 --> 01:01:34,565
for their family in order

1182
01:01:34,565 --> 01:01:36,285
to give them an option to make a decision.

1183
01:01:36,945 --> 01:01:39,525
So I would be in favor of putting it on the table

1184
01:01:39,995 --> 01:01:43,165
with a motion that just articulates

1185
01:01:43,165 --> 01:01:45,005
that if no one enrolls in the plan, then

1186
01:01:45,005 --> 01:01:46,165
by default it's one plan.

1187
01:01:46,425 --> 01:01:50,765
And attorney thal, if, if you have any ideas

1188
01:01:50,905 --> 01:01:53,565
or advice on, on a motion for that, on

1189
01:01:53,585 --> 01:01:54,685
how we would go about it.

1190
01:01:56,465 --> 01:01:58,645
So essentially if we offered multiple plans

1191
01:01:59,665 --> 01:02:04,125
and one per, like if nobody, nobody enrolled it,

1192
01:02:04,125 --> 01:02:06,245
It's not, that's just gonna be whatever the planned terms

1193
01:02:06,245 --> 01:02:07,885
are, are gonna be the planned term.

1194
01:02:07,985 --> 01:02:10,925
So for a motion, really you would wanna be making a motion

1195
01:02:11,185 --> 01:02:14,325
to renew the, the current plan

1196
01:02:15,305 --> 01:02:19,525
and allow for, allow for selection

1197
01:02:19,625 --> 01:02:23,125
of additional choices at the employee's expense.

1198
01:02:23,195 --> 01:02:24,325
Expense and

1199
01:02:24,325 --> 01:02:26,845
however that plan allows them to make those choices,

1200
01:02:27,315 --> 01:02:29,845
they would be able to do that whether it does or not, right?

1201
01:02:30,005 --> 01:02:32,085
'cause there's some limitations probably within the

1202
01:02:32,325 --> 01:02:34,085
documentation of what they can do, what they can't do.

1203
01:02:34,545 --> 01:02:37,205
So if it does allow them to do it, they could do that.

1204
01:02:40,805 --> 01:02:44,365
I move that we renew the current healthcare plan

1205
01:02:46,275 --> 01:02:48,325
with options for

1206
01:02:50,695 --> 01:02:54,205
additional plans at the employee expense

1207
01:02:54,675 --> 01:02:58,685
Support motion made by Clerk Lawrence, supported

1208
01:02:58,705 --> 01:03:00,085
by Trustee Paver.

1209
01:03:00,385 --> 01:03:04,205
All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes.

1210
01:03:04,695 --> 01:03:05,445
Thank you Chief.

1211
01:03:12,065 --> 01:03:14,725
Moving along to PA 1 52 opt out.

1212
01:03:15,315 --> 01:03:18,565
Okay, so this is the part that has to do

1213
01:03:18,565 --> 01:03:20,925
with the 80 20 and the opt out.

1214
01:03:21,665 --> 01:03:23,525
So we need to have some discussion about that.

1215
01:03:23,585 --> 01:03:26,405
And I think we all just heard that there is something

1216
01:03:26,425 --> 01:03:30,845
to be said for keeping their compensation package whole.

1217
01:03:31,365 --> 01:03:35,805
I will tell you as a, I think that this,

1218
01:03:35,875 --> 01:03:39,085
this got a lot of controversy last year when this came up

1219
01:03:39,185 --> 01:03:42,565
and I think, you know, my opinion is that

1220
01:03:43,345 --> 01:03:45,645
impact every one of us goes to the grocery store

1221
01:03:45,745 --> 01:03:46,805
and sees cost rising.

1222
01:03:46,855 --> 01:03:51,325
Every one of us goes to the gas pump and sees cost rising.

1223
01:03:51,665 --> 01:03:54,285
And so I do believe that there is funds that we can find

1224
01:03:54,305 --> 01:03:57,285
and save in our township just like getting rid

1225
01:03:57,285 --> 01:03:59,245
of over complicated software,

1226
01:04:00,025 --> 01:04:01,405
but I don't think that it should be

1227
01:04:01,405 --> 01:04:02,565
at the employee's expense.

1228
01:04:02,745 --> 01:04:07,045
So my personal opinion is that we should opt out of PA 1 52.

1229
01:04:08,775 --> 01:04:11,365
Thank you Clerk Lawrence? I I echo the same thing.

1230
01:04:11,725 --> 01:04:13,805
I I can't wait to find ways to save money,

1231
01:04:13,825 --> 01:04:17,085
but I don't think at it should be at our employee's expense.

1232
01:04:18,075 --> 01:04:19,285
Trustee Van Bruen,

1233
01:04:20,705 --> 01:04:22,925
No comments on that Trustee Paver?

1234
01:04:23,625 --> 01:04:27,805
No, I would echo the same thing. You know, there again,

1235
01:04:34,025 --> 01:04:35,245
no, I agree.

1236
01:04:35,965 --> 01:04:38,045
I think that we're in the business of keeping

1237
01:04:38,815 --> 01:04:41,685
these first responders and as we continue

1238
01:04:41,685 --> 01:04:44,885
and move forward with the best, they, you know,

1239
01:04:44,885 --> 01:04:47,845
these people will become more integral to taking care

1240
01:04:47,985 --> 01:04:50,525
of the community and we should take care

1241
01:04:50,525 --> 01:04:51,605
of the people that take care of us.

1242
01:04:52,105 --> 01:04:54,405
So thank you Trustee Paver, Treasurer Bloomfield?

1243
01:04:54,505 --> 01:04:56,605
No comment. Trustee Amos.

1244
01:04:58,185 --> 01:05:00,965
So just opt out, opting out.

1245
01:05:01,025 --> 01:05:03,405
Is this just for the fire department or is for,

1246
01:05:03,465 --> 01:05:05,525
or is this for the entire township?

1247
01:05:05,875 --> 01:05:06,805
It's for the township.

1248
01:05:11,325 --> 01:05:13,445
I understand that sometimes there is

1249
01:05:13,445 --> 01:05:14,525
exception to the rule.

1250
01:05:14,585 --> 01:05:17,485
And I suppose for the fire department, I would, I,

1251
01:05:17,845 --> 01:05:21,085
I guess there could be an exception to let them opt out.

1252
01:05:21,105 --> 01:05:23,845
As far as the rest of the township, I'm against it.

1253
01:05:23,965 --> 01:05:26,885
I believe that our government came up with a rule that

1254
01:05:27,225 --> 01:05:31,005
and said, said that we have to, all employees have

1255
01:05:31,005 --> 01:05:32,645
to pay 20% of their insurance.

1256
01:05:32,785 --> 01:05:34,085
And then they came up

1257
01:05:34,105 --> 01:05:36,565
and said, well, government employees don't have to far,

1258
01:05:36,565 --> 01:05:37,645
they can opt out of it.

1259
01:05:37,645 --> 01:05:39,045
And I, I disagree with that.

1260
01:05:39,895 --> 01:05:41,965
Thank you Trustee Amos. Trustee Hart.

1261
01:05:42,985 --> 01:05:46,245
No further comment. I'd be looking for a motion.

1262
01:05:49,035 --> 01:05:51,525
Make a motion to opt out a 1 52

1263
01:05:53,505 --> 01:05:55,245
motion made by Trustee Paver,

1264
01:05:55,385 --> 01:05:58,765
All support Supported by Trustee Hart.

1265
01:05:59,025 --> 01:06:00,085
Any board discussion?

1266
01:06:02,505 --> 01:06:05,285
If there's no board discussion, all in favor say aye. Aye.

1267
01:06:05,385 --> 01:06:07,205
Aye. Aye. Opposed?

1268
01:06:07,905 --> 01:06:12,725
Aye. Opposed? Six yays. One nay. Motion passes.

1269
01:06:13,585 --> 01:06:14,885
Moving along to Clerk Lawrence

1270
01:06:14,945 --> 01:06:16,925
for elections consultant request.

1271
01:06:18,235 --> 01:06:20,765
Okay, this is a little bit of,

1272
01:06:21,545 --> 01:06:23,405
I'm gonna eat a little bit of humble pie here.

1273
01:06:23,665 --> 01:06:28,645
So at 30 days in there is a steep

1274
01:06:29,205 --> 01:06:30,245
learning curve

1275
01:06:30,545 --> 01:06:32,325
and there is no pun intended,

1276
01:06:32,435 --> 01:06:35,085
I've been drinking from a fire hose for the last 30 days.

1277
01:06:35,225 --> 01:06:38,845
So we've got a federal election right around the corner

1278
01:06:39,225 --> 01:06:43,045
and I am asking permission from the board to

1279
01:06:44,025 --> 01:06:47,285
get some help with that from a consultant who has a lot

1280
01:06:47,285 --> 01:06:49,885
of experience running elections

1281
01:06:50,385 --> 01:06:54,045
and has been a clerk in the past, a county clerk.

1282
01:06:55,185 --> 01:06:58,125
And I just think that, you know, I can read

1283
01:06:58,225 --> 01:06:59,765
and learn as much as possible

1284
01:06:59,825 --> 01:07:01,645
and I can invite in all of the help

1285
01:07:01,665 --> 01:07:03,165
of everyone who's been doing this

1286
01:07:03,385 --> 01:07:04,765
and I certainly am doing so,

1287
01:07:05,505 --> 01:07:07,925
but there is just some very specific items

1288
01:07:08,075 --> 01:07:10,965
that can't be overlooked and can't be done incorrectly.

1289
01:07:11,065 --> 01:07:15,125
And I, I don't wanna put the township at risk of liability.

1290
01:07:15,345 --> 01:07:19,045
So asking for permission to have someone come in

1291
01:07:19,045 --> 01:07:21,925
and help us get through the preliminary, the setup part

1292
01:07:21,925 --> 01:07:24,805
of this so that the election in November can run smoothly.

1293
01:07:26,895 --> 01:07:28,845
Thank you. Clerk Lawrence. Trustee Hart,

1294
01:07:30,625 --> 01:07:34,325
The election law is extremely complicated and complex

1295
01:07:35,745 --> 01:07:37,805
and we have one day to get it correct.

1296
01:07:39,205 --> 01:07:41,125
I realize early voting, but all votes

1297
01:07:41,145 --> 01:07:42,245
are tabulated on one day.

1298
01:07:42,545 --> 01:07:44,605
It has to be correct that day.

1299
01:07:45,275 --> 01:07:50,085
It's an absolute huge responsibility

1300
01:07:51,145 --> 01:07:52,405
and it has to be done right.

1301
01:07:53,815 --> 01:07:57,565
Being brand new to it, as Amber is

1302
01:07:58,175 --> 01:08:01,005
struggling to catch up on it, I know that she is on it.

1303
01:08:01,115 --> 01:08:03,845
However, I would fully support an expert

1304
01:08:04,225 --> 01:08:05,445
to help her out on that.

1305
01:08:06,575 --> 01:08:07,645
Thank you Trustee Hart.

1306
01:08:07,645 --> 01:08:11,285
Trustee Amos, any comments, questions? Treasurer Bloomfield?

1307
01:08:11,805 --> 01:08:13,805
I just have one. Is there a fee for this?

1308
01:08:13,825 --> 01:08:15,045
And if so, what is it?

1309
01:08:16,315 --> 01:08:19,645
Yeah, the consultant's hourly rate is $30 an hour.

1310
01:08:20,745 --> 01:08:23,285
That's quite cheap. Okay. Yeah. Thank

1311
01:08:23,285 --> 01:08:24,285
You.

1312
01:08:24,285 --> 01:08:26,765
And attorney t Thal. As far as like, when, when we spoke,

1313
01:08:27,545 --> 01:08:30,005
if you could just enlighten the board on, you know,

1314
01:08:30,425 --> 01:08:33,125
on on the opposite end of, of doing this. Yeah.

1315
01:08:33,365 --> 01:08:36,765
Again, as indicated, election law is extremely complex.

1316
01:08:36,995 --> 01:08:38,685
There's no, it's not reasonable

1317
01:08:38,705 --> 01:08:42,365
to expect somebody 30 days in to know how to

1318
01:08:43,045 --> 01:08:44,125
properly perform the election.

1319
01:08:44,705 --> 01:08:48,365
You, you know, Amber will do the best job humanly possible,

1320
01:08:48,385 --> 01:08:51,205
but it's so complicated that it, you really do need

1321
01:08:51,205 --> 01:08:53,645
to have some assistance in doing that.

1322
01:08:54,665 --> 01:08:57,765
And you know, the, the issue of

1323
01:08:58,345 --> 01:09:00,365
if something happens is just tremendous.

1324
01:09:00,425 --> 01:09:02,925
So what normally would happen is if there's an error,

1325
01:09:03,145 --> 01:09:04,205
you're gonna get sued.

1326
01:09:04,205 --> 01:09:05,645
That's just the world we live in.

1327
01:09:06,385 --> 01:09:09,125
Any errors are picked up and somebody's gonna sue you on it.

1328
01:09:09,125 --> 01:09:11,165
You're gonna have a federal lawsuit, election lawsuit,

1329
01:09:11,575 --> 01:09:13,805
which is extremely expensive and costly

1330
01:09:14,065 --> 01:09:17,365
and it can put you under a court order

1331
01:09:17,425 --> 01:09:18,685
for years and years to come.

1332
01:09:18,865 --> 01:09:21,005
So you really want to, at all costs, avoid

1333
01:09:21,005 --> 01:09:25,525
that $30 an hour is certainly a deal to not

1334
01:09:26,285 --> 01:09:27,285
face those type of issues.

1335
01:09:27,945 --> 01:09:30,125
And would we just approve the hourly rate

1336
01:09:30,125 --> 01:09:30,885
and whatever's

1337
01:09:30,885 --> 01:09:32,965
necessary? How would you recommend the motion?

1338
01:09:33,125 --> 01:09:35,045
I would recommend that, because it's hard to say

1339
01:09:35,045 --> 01:09:36,645
what is gonna be necessary,

1340
01:09:36,745 --> 01:09:40,205
but the clerk can be the steward of that and,

1341
01:09:40,825 --> 01:09:42,525
and work with the specialist

1342
01:09:42,625 --> 01:09:44,485
to make sure the election comes off and,

1343
01:09:44,545 --> 01:09:45,765
and learn as much as she can.

1344
01:09:46,385 --> 01:09:47,445
And I've, I can say

1345
01:09:47,445 --> 01:09:49,725
that I've seen the other municipalities stop into the

1346
01:09:49,845 --> 01:09:51,925
building and help us and, and that's awesome.

1347
01:09:52,105 --> 01:09:53,445
But they also have a job to do.

1348
01:09:53,705 --> 01:09:55,645
And so a consultant dedicated

1349
01:09:55,785 --> 01:09:57,645
to addressing those missing gaps.

1350
01:09:58,125 --> 01:10:01,005
I, I'd totally be all in favor of that. Trustee paver?

1351
01:10:01,875 --> 01:10:05,365
Nope, I have no, no comment. Trustee Van Bruen? Well

1352
01:10:05,365 --> 01:10:07,805
30 $30 an hour is a lot cheaper than an

1353
01:10:07,965 --> 01:10:09,085
attorney first of all.

1354
01:10:09,405 --> 01:10:10,605
That's every one I've ever met.

1355
01:10:11,385 --> 01:10:13,165
And do we have a consultant in mind for this?

1356
01:10:14,875 --> 01:10:17,925
Yeah, overwhelmingly the recommendation has been Tim Snow.

1357
01:10:18,115 --> 01:10:19,645
Okay. And I know Tim very well

1358
01:10:19,705 --> 01:10:21,045
and he would do excellent job

1359
01:10:21,065 --> 01:10:22,325
for us from protecting us. So,

1360
01:10:22,865 --> 01:10:23,865
And that's his rate.

1361
01:10:23,905 --> 01:10:25,485
So that's specifically quoting

1362
01:10:25,485 --> 01:10:26,925
His Yeah, he's worth way more than that.

1363
01:10:27,425 --> 01:10:28,425
So

1364
01:10:29,265 --> 01:10:30,265
Any further questions?

1365
01:10:31,185 --> 01:10:32,285
If there are no further board

1366
01:10:32,485 --> 01:10:33,685
questions, I'd be looking for a motion.

1367
01:10:34,565 --> 01:10:38,645
I make a motion to approve hiring election consultant at

1368
01:10:38,645 --> 01:10:40,405
$30 per hour for

1369
01:10:41,745 --> 01:10:44,845
Motion made by Treasurer Bloomfield, supported

1370
01:10:44,845 --> 01:10:46,005
by Trustee Amos.

1371
01:10:46,025 --> 01:10:49,805
All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes.

1372
01:10:50,865 --> 01:10:52,565
Moving along to Treasurer Bloomfield.

1373
01:10:53,595 --> 01:10:56,685
This is something we don't like to talk about is

1374
01:10:57,305 --> 01:11:00,805
our millage rates, but so far

1375
01:11:01,385 --> 01:11:02,765
it looks pretty good.

1376
01:11:05,265 --> 01:11:08,045
We are not raising any millages.

1377
01:11:10,425 --> 01:11:14,725
And the good news is the library has decided on their own to

1378
01:11:16,105 --> 01:11:17,245
cut their one millage.

1379
01:11:18,025 --> 01:11:21,165
So we do not need a truth and taxation hearing

1380
01:11:21,165 --> 01:11:23,725
because we fall below what we are asking for.

1381
01:11:24,185 --> 01:11:26,205
And the total, I just had it here, the total

1382
01:11:26,205 --> 01:11:30,085
that we're asking for is 5.3734

1383
01:11:30,155 --> 01:11:35,155
mils right here

1384
01:11:36,905 --> 01:11:37,925
On that paper right there.

1385
01:11:40,865 --> 01:11:43,605
So the operating millage

1386
01:11:43,605 --> 01:11:46,485
for the township is 4.8427.

1387
01:11:47,065 --> 01:11:49,765
The library, the one that they're lowering was

1388
01:11:50,915 --> 01:11:55,045
0.05, excuse me, 0.5048.

1389
01:11:55,745 --> 01:12:00,325
And that one they lowered to 0.3065.

1390
01:12:01,945 --> 01:12:05,245
The other library millage that they have is 0.9685.

1391
01:12:05,315 --> 01:12:06,525
That one is not changing.

1392
01:12:07,145 --> 01:12:11,485
Our road millage is unchanged also at

1393
01:12:11,585 --> 01:12:13,325
2.9760

1394
01:12:13,905 --> 01:12:16,165
and our senior millage, which this is the millage

1395
01:12:16,165 --> 01:12:19,645
that goes directly to our community center locally.

1396
01:12:21,675 --> 01:12:22,965
Okay. I think that's typed wrong.

1397
01:12:22,965 --> 01:12:25,285
We'll have to make that right. Our senior

1398
01:12:25,315 --> 01:12:26,525
millage is one mill.

1399
01:12:27,645 --> 01:12:31,605
I do wanna say though that it is my understanding that

1400
01:12:32,985 --> 01:12:35,725
the school is coming for another millage.

1401
01:12:36,905 --> 01:12:41,565
And so we will also have on the ballot for you in November

1402
01:12:42,405 --> 01:12:43,405
the police millage

1403
01:12:43,405 --> 01:12:45,285
because we did not have enough,

1404
01:12:45,785 --> 01:12:47,845
we had enough last year to carry over.

1405
01:12:48,935 --> 01:12:52,125
We've used that money for extra police coverage

1406
01:12:52,125 --> 01:12:55,285
that we have, but we don't have enough carry over left

1407
01:12:55,585 --> 01:12:56,645
for the following year.

1408
01:12:57,025 --> 01:12:59,685
So that will be up to you voters to decide if you want

1409
01:12:59,745 --> 01:13:02,845
to have an additional deputies like we usually do.

1410
01:13:05,665 --> 01:13:09,285
And Supervisor Martin just found a mistake on

1411
01:13:09,285 --> 01:13:12,005
the resolution here. So

1412
01:13:12,265 --> 01:13:13,485
You look at this back page

1413
01:13:15,825 --> 01:13:19,165
and then you just kind of go across on that one one

1414
01:13:19,185 --> 01:13:20,725
for one we have a plethora

1415
01:13:20,725 --> 01:13:23,165
of extra paperwork on our da so forgive us.

1416
01:13:27,705 --> 01:13:29,645
It says 2.97.

1417
01:13:33,715 --> 01:13:36,885
This is the maximum. Yeah.

1418
01:13:36,885 --> 01:13:41,325
And the, and the, the on the page, the second page on the L

1419
01:13:42,255 --> 01:13:46,685
40 29, that is the, that's the L 40 29

1420
01:13:46,685 --> 01:13:48,525
that's due soon. It's

1421
01:13:48,525 --> 01:13:49,525
Due tomorrow.

1422
01:13:49,525 --> 01:13:51,685
Yep. Actually. So we do need to accomplish this tonight.

1423
01:13:51,865 --> 01:13:53,805
And so if you kinda look at the resolution

1424
01:13:53,825 --> 01:13:55,805
that's prepared in addition to this,

1425
01:13:56,325 --> 01:13:58,285
I think you could cross reference that I believe

1426
01:13:58,285 --> 01:14:01,005
that the resolution resolution is correct

1427
01:14:01,465 --> 01:14:04,165
and the other cover page had the maximum.

1428
01:14:04,625 --> 01:14:07,165
So just a lot of information all at once.

1429
01:14:07,185 --> 01:14:10,765
So I think if you were to remove the cover page on this,

1430
01:14:11,395 --> 01:14:13,725
that would help us see, see through it a little bit better.

1431
01:14:13,915 --> 01:14:14,915
Yeah.

1432
01:14:17,625 --> 01:14:19,685
So the resolution is correct. Yes.

1433
01:14:19,745 --> 01:14:22,045
As is the second page for the roads

1434
01:14:23,545 --> 01:14:28,285
And then attorney thaw as far as the resolution to,

1435
01:14:28,425 --> 01:14:30,885
to just make one resolution totaling it,

1436
01:14:31,135 --> 01:14:35,565
would we just read the specific operating numbers?

1437
01:14:36,795 --> 01:14:38,005
Yeah, you could go off that

1438
01:14:38,145 --> 01:14:40,245
or it's gonna be what is in your

1439
01:14:41,315 --> 01:14:45,165
item 11 on your L 40 29 is are your milit rates

1440
01:14:45,165 --> 01:14:46,565
that you're authorizing.

1441
01:14:46,905 --> 01:14:49,325
So you have maybe a maximum author.

1442
01:14:49,505 --> 01:14:51,725
So when you said charter operating

1443
01:14:52,265 --> 01:14:56,805
and Sandy originally said at 4.827 maximum,

1444
01:14:56,805 --> 01:14:58,325
that's your maximum Maximum operating maximum.

1445
01:14:58,325 --> 01:15:00,565
Yeah. Right. You're actually only proposing

1446
01:15:00,565 --> 01:15:03,725
to levy 1.8484.

1447
01:15:04,105 --> 01:15:07,285
So you're gonna levy much less than your

1448
01:15:07,795 --> 01:15:09,405
maximum authorized levy.

1449
01:15:09,985 --> 01:15:14,325
But those in category 11, box 11 on here. Yep.

1450
01:15:14,725 --> 01:15:17,125
That's what you're authorizing those militates,

1451
01:15:17,125 --> 01:15:18,805
if you wanted to just read them through,

1452
01:15:19,345 --> 01:15:20,445
you could do that. Yeah.

1453
01:15:20,445 --> 01:15:22,805
And and then essentially would you be looking for a motion

1454
01:15:23,665 --> 01:15:26,365
and then you read 'em through for the L 40 29?

1455
01:15:26,595 --> 01:15:28,805
Yeah, because that's what you have to have authorization

1456
01:15:28,865 --> 01:15:31,965
to submit it, complete the L 49 40 29

1457
01:15:31,985 --> 01:15:33,965
and submit it to the county equalization.

1458
01:15:34,385 --> 01:15:36,685
Yep. So there's no increase in millage.

1459
01:15:36,825 --> 01:15:39,205
In fact with the library's edition it's just a,

1460
01:15:39,245 --> 01:15:40,805
a slight decrease in millage.

1461
01:15:42,995 --> 01:15:46,685
Okay. So we're just gonna make a motion

1462
01:15:46,905 --> 01:15:49,045
To Yeah.

1463
01:15:49,145 --> 01:15:50,885
Any any board questions at all

1464
01:15:51,765 --> 01:15:52,765
Resolution?

1465
01:15:52,765 --> 01:15:54,805
I would just add that the goal, I think, you know,

1466
01:15:54,805 --> 01:15:58,285
and this is really for community to hear, like the goal is

1467
01:15:58,285 --> 01:15:59,765
to further lower this millage.

1468
01:16:00,985 --> 01:16:05,365
Yes. Let's, but I think that there is, there is funding

1469
01:16:05,755 --> 01:16:10,005
that is quote unquote potentially coming in

1470
01:16:10,465 --> 01:16:13,565
and we need that in hand to be able to know exactly

1471
01:16:13,625 --> 01:16:16,405
how much we can lower the millage before we just lower it.

1472
01:16:16,465 --> 01:16:18,445
And so we don't wanna shoot ourselves in the foot

1473
01:16:18,445 --> 01:16:21,885
and lower it and then have something change.

1474
01:16:21,945 --> 01:16:24,205
Our circumstances change.

1475
01:16:24,425 --> 01:16:28,645
So for next year we're, we're kind of, we're really thrilled

1476
01:16:28,645 --> 01:16:32,005
that the library was able to, to give us a lower rate

1477
01:16:32,005 --> 01:16:34,765
because everyone's gonna see a little bit of an impact

1478
01:16:35,105 --> 01:16:37,725
and then the goal is to see a more significant impact

1479
01:16:37,725 --> 01:16:38,725
to the following year.

1480
01:16:38,745 --> 01:16:42,565
For sure. So, you know, I just wanna share to the residents

1481
01:16:42,565 --> 01:16:44,885
that our commitment is to try to lower your tax burden.

1482
01:16:46,955 --> 01:16:49,445
Yeah. And since when did the government ever lower taxes?

1483
01:16:50,145 --> 01:16:53,645
And we are actively working hard to try to do that,

1484
01:16:53,645 --> 01:16:55,765
but it's just, it's not gonna be an overnight thing.

1485
01:16:55,765 --> 01:16:59,685
We, we, we,

1486
01:17:00,895 --> 01:17:03,445
we've gotta work diligently to be able to do that.

1487
01:17:04,105 --> 01:17:06,125
So any further questions?

1488
01:17:07,875 --> 01:17:10,525
I'll make a motion, I'll make an attempt at it.

1489
01:17:11,105 --> 01:17:15,325
So I move to approve the 2026 L

1490
01:17:15,335 --> 01:17:19,165
40 29 with the millage rates as followed

1491
01:17:20,005 --> 01:17:23,685
charter operating at 1.8484

1492
01:17:24,795 --> 01:17:29,605
library extra voted at 0.3065

1493
01:17:31,465 --> 01:17:35,805
second library line, extra voted 0.9685

1494
01:17:36,655 --> 01:17:39,565
roads at 1.2500

1495
01:17:39,905 --> 01:17:43,965
and senior at 1.0000

1496
01:17:46,195 --> 01:17:49,965
Support motion made by Clerk Lawrence supported

1497
01:17:49,985 --> 01:17:51,685
by Trustee Paver. I

1498
01:17:51,685 --> 01:17:52,885
Would just make one comment.

1499
01:17:53,115 --> 01:17:54,245
Yeah. Roll call vote

1500
01:17:54,305 --> 01:17:57,085
and it is with those numbers are in that resolution

1501
01:17:57,185 --> 01:17:58,925
so you're actually gonna adopt

1502
01:17:58,925 --> 01:18:00,085
that resolution with the numbers.

1503
01:18:00,715 --> 01:18:02,845
Okay. It should we amend that motion slightly?

1504
01:18:02,925 --> 01:18:05,645
I think it's fine. Okay. So Clerk Lawrence

1505
01:18:05,705 --> 01:18:06,925
be looking for a roll call vote.

1506
01:18:08,675 --> 01:18:11,285
Trustee Van Bruen. Yay.

1507
01:18:12,265 --> 01:18:15,765
Yes. Trustee Paver. Yes. Treasurer Bloomfield. Yes.

1508
01:18:16,175 --> 01:18:20,965
Supervisor Martin. Yes. Clerk Lawrence. Yes. Trustee Amos?

1509
01:18:20,965 --> 01:18:22,725
Yes. Trustee Hart. Yes.

1510
01:18:23,425 --> 01:18:26,045
And I have a question, did you have a

1511
01:18:26,205 --> 01:18:27,245
resolution number for that?

1512
01:18:28,945 --> 01:18:30,285
We were discussing that in

1513
01:18:31,045 --> 01:18:33,965
You can assign after, it'll be whatever the, okay.

1514
01:18:33,965 --> 01:18:36,045
The next resolution number is in order.

1515
01:18:36,185 --> 01:18:37,925
So we'll just have to figure that out.

1516
01:18:38,485 --> 01:18:41,085
I think it's 5 73 but I wanna confirm that.

1517
01:18:41,235 --> 01:18:43,365
Alright, thank you. Motion passes.

1518
01:18:44,425 --> 01:18:46,965
Moving along to Treasury Bloomfield for forensic audit

1519
01:18:47,185 --> 01:18:48,485
and RFP.

1520
01:18:49,315 --> 01:18:52,285
Alright. I contacted a couple companies

1521
01:18:53,025 --> 01:18:57,125
and basically got an education

1522
01:18:59,705 --> 01:19:04,405
and when I sat down the second time with Clerk Lawrence

1523
01:19:04,665 --> 01:19:08,125
and Supervisor Martin were both on the interviews

1524
01:19:08,125 --> 01:19:09,285
with these two companies.

1525
01:19:09,515 --> 01:19:12,885
They're both comparable when it comes to the pricing

1526
01:19:13,145 --> 01:19:16,885
and what they can do for us and how long it will take.

1527
01:19:18,025 --> 01:19:22,805
And so I will let Ben

1528
01:19:22,805 --> 01:19:24,765
and Amber take it from here since they were

1529
01:19:24,765 --> 01:19:26,005
also in the interview with me.

1530
01:19:26,615 --> 01:19:29,725
Clerk Lawrence. Sure.

1531
01:19:29,865 --> 01:19:34,565
So I would say, you know, both were, were good interviews

1532
01:19:34,625 --> 01:19:37,805
and obviously well qualified candidates.

1533
01:19:41,245 --> 01:19:45,565
I I think that the first,

1534
01:19:46,385 --> 01:19:49,605
the first was Plant and Moran

1535
01:19:50,425 --> 01:19:54,045
and just some comments I would say from the RFP is they

1536
01:19:54,045 --> 01:19:56,445
require a little bit more to start.

1537
01:19:56,705 --> 01:19:58,645
So they're asking for $10,000

1538
01:19:58,825 --> 01:20:02,445
to start again.

1539
01:20:02,495 --> 01:20:04,045
Comparable total cost.

1540
01:20:04,115 --> 01:20:07,005
There's, their scope was slightly higher.

1541
01:20:09,605 --> 01:20:13,205
I really, I really liked the second company that we spoke to

1542
01:20:15,925 --> 01:20:18,165
re Reman, I don't know how to pronounce that.

1543
01:20:18,645 --> 01:20:22,645
I really liked them. The individual specifically Chuck Story

1544
01:20:23,505 --> 01:20:24,765
has a lot of experience.

1545
01:20:24,945 --> 01:20:28,245
He was formerly with the bureau, which I liked

1546
01:20:29,705 --> 01:20:33,965
and they have a lower ticket to entry at $7,000 to start.

1547
01:20:34,265 --> 01:20:37,485
So I, I think we wouldn't go wrong

1548
01:20:37,485 --> 01:20:39,485
with either should we choose to pursue this,

1549
01:20:40,345 --> 01:20:43,085
but those would be, that would be my thoughts

1550
01:20:45,505 --> 01:20:49,045
As a majority of a new board in the direction of

1551
01:20:49,045 --> 01:20:50,085
where we just came from.

1552
01:20:51,115 --> 01:20:55,125
This could be something that could be of a due diligence

1553
01:20:55,265 --> 01:20:56,565
to just take a look at things

1554
01:20:56,665 --> 01:20:59,885
and make sure that everything is up to snuff and,

1555
01:20:59,905 --> 01:21:01,045
and that we're moving forward

1556
01:21:01,545 --> 01:21:05,765
and nothing is lingering behind us that would set us up

1557
01:21:05,825 --> 01:21:07,205
to need to go backwards.

1558
01:21:07,465 --> 01:21:11,085
So just be a good due diligence to take a look at things.

1559
01:21:11,225 --> 01:21:13,885
And so I was impressed with both companies

1560
01:21:14,585 --> 01:21:18,925
and it's a, it's a lot to think about.

1561
01:21:20,225 --> 01:21:24,445
So I would just open this up to board discussion.

1562
01:21:25,125 --> 01:21:26,605
I think the one question

1563
01:21:26,605 --> 01:21:29,245
that still plagues me is the ROI on it, right?

1564
01:21:29,305 --> 01:21:31,085
And so I think that's something we just have

1565
01:21:31,085 --> 01:21:35,045
to be really real about is if we're gonna spend $60,000

1566
01:21:35,865 --> 01:21:38,285
and you know, figure out

1567
01:21:39,685 --> 01:21:42,365
whatever we might figure out, like we just have to decide is

1568
01:21:42,365 --> 01:21:44,405
that $60,000 worth it to us?

1569
01:21:44,505 --> 01:21:46,845
And I think that's the question, but for us, as we

1570
01:21:47,665 --> 01:21:49,005
and I, I don't have the answer,

1571
01:21:50,345 --> 01:21:52,525
but I think that, you know, that's,

1572
01:21:52,745 --> 01:21:53,925
that's what we need to consider.

1573
01:21:56,985 --> 01:21:59,885
But transparently like we may find

1574
01:22:00,755 --> 01:22:02,605
more than $60,000 too.

1575
01:22:02,945 --> 01:22:05,085
So something else to consider.

1576
01:22:07,245 --> 01:22:10,765
Attorney Thaw, do you have any, any advice for the board,

1577
01:22:10,865 --> 01:22:12,325
any words, any input?

1578
01:22:13,225 --> 01:22:16,045
No, it's really up to the board as to whether you think

1579
01:22:16,365 --> 01:22:19,685
that's important and it's important enough

1580
01:22:19,705 --> 01:22:21,485
to expend those sums of funds.

1581
01:22:22,285 --> 01:22:24,645
'cause it isn't cheap to do a forensic audit

1582
01:22:24,825 --> 01:22:25,845
but you know,

1583
01:22:25,845 --> 01:22:28,365
it gives you at least a starting point with a new board.

1584
01:22:29,945 --> 01:22:31,525
So there could be good reason to do that.

1585
01:22:33,115 --> 01:22:36,565
Trustee Van Bergen, do you have any comments, questions,

1586
01:22:36,725 --> 01:22:38,325
concerns, anything to enlighten us?

1587
01:22:38,625 --> 01:22:41,045
No, I mean there's a lot of money to consider doing.

1588
01:22:41,885 --> 01:22:45,205
I think transparency's due to the township,

1589
01:22:45,425 --> 01:22:47,485
to everyone and I agree.

1590
01:22:47,605 --> 01:22:49,325
I think it's a good way to start out with a,

1591
01:22:49,355 --> 01:22:50,605
with the fresh people we have.

1592
01:22:51,925 --> 01:22:55,725
I just think it's, it is a big investment to take under.

1593
01:22:56,165 --> 01:22:58,565
I understand we may find some things and some money,

1594
01:22:58,665 --> 01:23:01,005
but that's not a guarantee either.

1595
01:23:02,785 --> 01:23:05,245
But it's, it's definitely a big investment.

1596
01:23:05,365 --> 01:23:08,125
I think we gotta take serious and think if we

1597
01:23:08,125 --> 01:23:09,365
wanna forego that.

1598
01:23:10,855 --> 01:23:13,485
Thank you Trustee Van Bruen. Trustee paver.

1599
01:23:15,845 --> 01:23:19,085
I would probably echo similar.

1600
01:23:19,275 --> 01:23:23,005
What clerk Lauren said is that, you know,

1601
01:23:23,995 --> 01:23:28,285
it's a lot of money and there are no assurances

1602
01:23:28,725 --> 01:23:29,845
besides death and taxes.

1603
01:23:30,865 --> 01:23:35,525
And so, you know, let's say that we find something

1604
01:23:35,705 --> 01:23:37,525
and then what is it that we do with it after that?

1605
01:23:37,795 --> 01:23:39,445
Well we have to pursue legal action

1606
01:23:39,545 --> 01:23:43,085
and then that also is going to cost money.

1607
01:23:43,425 --> 01:23:46,365
And then so how much money are we actually going to obtain

1608
01:23:46,995 --> 01:23:50,805
from other parties, individuals or,

1609
01:23:50,905 --> 01:23:52,605
or these things of, of this nature?

1610
01:23:52,865 --> 01:23:54,645
And then we're gonna have to make the decision of whether

1611
01:23:54,645 --> 01:23:56,565
or not that we go after every single one.

1612
01:23:56,905 --> 01:24:01,485
And to me, I understand that people have a lot of concerns

1613
01:24:01,485 --> 01:24:04,885
of of whether or not you know what was going on.

1614
01:24:05,145 --> 01:24:08,725
Was there something to be concerned about? We don't know.

1615
01:24:09,785 --> 01:24:11,005
And yes, we could find out.

1616
01:24:11,025 --> 01:24:13,805
We could find out, okay, so there was X amount of money

1617
01:24:13,805 --> 01:24:16,485
that was misappropriated, great, now it's going

1618
01:24:16,485 --> 01:24:19,165
to cost us another $60,000 to go

1619
01:24:19,165 --> 01:24:21,445
after said parties to obtain this money

1620
01:24:21,505 --> 01:24:23,005
and that money is not guaranteed

1621
01:24:23,385 --> 01:24:26,125
and it will be over why period.

1622
01:24:26,625 --> 01:24:30,725
And so we will have spent a disproportionate amount of time

1623
01:24:30,725 --> 01:24:33,485
and money on potentially a wild goose chase.

1624
01:24:33,785 --> 01:24:35,925
We don't know that there could be something there.

1625
01:24:36,065 --> 01:24:38,285
And I'm not saying that it's not worthwhile to do.

1626
01:24:38,795 --> 01:24:43,045
What I'm looking at from our perspective is

1627
01:24:43,865 --> 01:24:46,805
we are coming in as a new board, we have two years

1628
01:24:47,825 --> 01:24:51,045
to make the most impact for the community

1629
01:24:52,785 --> 01:24:56,965
in hopes that they will give us the

1630
01:24:56,965 --> 01:24:58,405
opportunity to serve them again.

1631
01:24:59,025 --> 01:25:03,365
And so to me it's is it pertinent for us

1632
01:25:03,365 --> 01:25:05,645
to do this right now and to spend our time, energy,

1633
01:25:05,645 --> 01:25:07,725
and resources on it, understanding

1634
01:25:08,155 --> 01:25:10,045
that this is the starting amount,

1635
01:25:10,945 --> 01:25:14,725
the 60 is the starting amount and then there may be more

1636
01:25:14,885 --> 01:25:17,045
because it's not gonna be free to go after anybody.

1637
01:25:17,585 --> 01:25:21,165
And so I want to know what was going on

1638
01:25:22,265 --> 01:25:25,045
and I would love to know all the nuances

1639
01:25:25,145 --> 01:25:26,205
of every single thing.

1640
01:25:27,305 --> 01:25:30,605
But at this time with the amount of time that we have left,

1641
01:25:31,305 --> 01:25:34,045
is this where we want to spend our energy and resources?

1642
01:25:35,205 --> 01:25:39,045
I vehemently agreed that we should find something out,

1643
01:25:39,425 --> 01:25:43,085
but at what cost and what is the ROI on it?

1644
01:25:43,635 --> 01:25:45,645
What is the cost benefit

1645
01:25:46,025 --> 01:25:47,765
of doing this versus spending our time

1646
01:25:47,765 --> 01:25:48,885
and energy somewhere else?

1647
01:25:49,375 --> 01:25:54,165
Where could this $60,000 go that would potentially impact

1648
01:25:55,085 --> 01:25:57,805
somebody else or some, some something else in the community

1649
01:25:57,805 --> 01:25:59,045
that the community would see?

1650
01:25:59,385 --> 01:26:00,605
Yes, we find something out

1651
01:26:00,665 --> 01:26:02,005
and these people did something wrong

1652
01:26:02,105 --> 01:26:03,485
and now we have to take them to court

1653
01:26:03,485 --> 01:26:04,965
because it's not gonna be guaranteed.

1654
01:26:05,865 --> 01:26:09,405
And so please no comments.

1655
01:26:12,665 --> 01:26:14,045
I'm not necessarily sure

1656
01:26:14,115 --> 01:26:17,125
that this is something while I personally agree

1657
01:26:17,305 --> 01:26:20,325
and I echo the sentiment of of the community, I would love

1658
01:26:20,325 --> 01:26:25,045
to know but at the same time this is quite a bit of money

1659
01:26:25,225 --> 01:26:26,805
and this will only be the start.

1660
01:26:28,215 --> 01:26:30,445
Thank you Trustee Paver Treasurer Bloomfield.

1661
01:26:33,035 --> 01:26:36,085
Well I am for this. The residents want it.

1662
01:26:37,165 --> 01:26:41,885
I remember this audience being almost completely full the

1663
01:26:41,885 --> 01:26:44,725
night I announced I was going to ask for this.

1664
01:26:45,825 --> 01:26:47,765
So I would like to see us move forward.

1665
01:26:48,255 --> 01:26:49,925
There needs to be peace of mind

1666
01:26:51,425 --> 01:26:53,365
and I'll put it bluntly,

1667
01:26:53,485 --> 01:26:55,485
I don't want something coming up and biting me in the butt.

1668
01:26:58,195 --> 01:27:00,045
Well said Treasure Bloomfield. Thank

1669
01:27:00,045 --> 01:27:01,205
You Clerk Lawrence.

1670
01:27:01,705 --> 01:27:04,245
And well actually you, you let it rip once already.

1671
01:27:04,725 --> 01:27:05,765
Trustee Amos,

1672
01:27:07,925 --> 01:27:08,925
I support this.

1673
01:27:10,085 --> 01:27:12,765
I believe the people have the right to know what went on

1674
01:27:13,145 --> 01:27:16,005
and there's a lot of questions in everybody's mind exactly

1675
01:27:16,275 --> 01:27:17,365
what went on.

1676
01:27:17,825 --> 01:27:19,885
And so I believe it is their right.

1677
01:27:20,165 --> 01:27:23,325
I believe we should seek justice if something didn't

1678
01:27:23,585 --> 01:27:26,285
is was done.

1679
01:27:26,705 --> 01:27:28,405
And so I support it. Totally.

1680
01:27:29,495 --> 01:27:31,965
Thank you Trustee Amos. Trustee Hart,

1681
01:27:33,285 --> 01:27:35,565
I have read both forensic

1682
01:27:36,125 --> 01:27:38,205
examination quotes rather thoroughly, I believe.

1683
01:27:38,945 --> 01:27:40,885
And I do have two questions

1684
01:27:41,145 --> 01:27:43,645
and may be directed to Mr th

1685
01:27:44,375 --> 01:27:47,405
under the Raymond proposal.

1686
01:27:47,515 --> 01:27:50,885
They have, which appears to be a little more descriptive

1687
01:27:50,885 --> 01:27:52,885
by the way, in what they're going to, what they would do.

1688
01:27:53,995 --> 01:27:55,045
They do have a provision

1689
01:27:55,045 --> 01:27:57,965
that says they would interview township personnel.

1690
01:27:59,435 --> 01:28:00,725
Does that or would that,

1691
01:28:00,785 --> 01:28:03,285
or could that include former personnel?

1692
01:28:05,545 --> 01:28:07,605
It certainly could include former personnel,

1693
01:28:07,665 --> 01:28:10,125
but we don't have the ability to require that.

1694
01:28:10,225 --> 01:28:13,445
So it would have to be voluntary by those personnel.

1695
01:28:13,445 --> 01:28:15,725
They could certainly reach out to former employees to talk

1696
01:28:15,725 --> 01:28:18,325
with them, but there's no obligation of those former,

1697
01:28:18,545 --> 01:28:21,325
former employees to talk with the, with the auditor.

1698
01:28:22,705 --> 01:28:23,765
All right, question number two.

1699
01:28:24,545 --> 01:28:29,245
If in the long run former personnel were found to be liable

1700
01:28:31,945 --> 01:28:35,725
is, and those were in financial terms,

1701
01:28:36,745 --> 01:28:40,285
is there insurance or bond money available?

1702
01:28:41,745 --> 01:28:43,725
So there could be the That's a good question

1703
01:28:43,725 --> 01:28:46,125
because there could be bond money available if they breach

1704
01:28:46,125 --> 01:28:48,605
their bond and their fiduciary duty to go

1705
01:28:48,605 --> 01:28:51,925
after a bond in support if there's missing funds.

1706
01:28:53,515 --> 01:28:55,525
Also if there's theft, you know,

1707
01:28:55,525 --> 01:28:58,245
that can be o obviously a criminal matter

1708
01:28:58,475 --> 01:29:00,165
that can be referred to the prosecutor.

1709
01:29:00,625 --> 01:29:04,525
But yeah, I, I kinda like the idea of if there is an issue

1710
01:29:04,525 --> 01:29:06,085
that you'd look back at the bond.

1711
01:29:06,785 --> 01:29:09,805
At least they all should, you know,

1712
01:29:09,805 --> 01:29:11,325
the treasurer's office as a bond.

1713
01:29:12,945 --> 01:29:13,965
But you know, as long

1714
01:29:13,965 --> 01:29:15,085
as they were bonded you could look at that.

1715
01:29:16,435 --> 01:29:18,685
Okay, that's all the questions I have. Thank you.

1716
01:29:19,855 --> 01:29:21,485
Thank you Trustee Hart. Clerk Lawrence.

1717
01:29:23,115 --> 01:29:28,005
Yeah, I think I just wanted to add that I think

1718
01:29:28,005 --> 01:29:28,765
that sometimes

1719
01:29:32,845 --> 01:29:36,045
transparency and perception are both really important

1720
01:29:36,305 --> 01:29:39,645
and so if at the end of the day this is also

1721
01:29:40,395 --> 01:29:43,885
what allows the township to move forward, I think

1722
01:29:43,885 --> 01:29:45,445
that there is ROI in that

1723
01:29:45,505 --> 01:29:47,365
and it doesn't always equate to dollar

1724
01:29:47,465 --> 01:29:50,685
and cents, sometimes it equates to unity and,

1725
01:29:50,905 --> 01:29:52,845
and being able to get ourselves

1726
01:29:53,385 --> 01:29:55,445
moving in the right direction.

1727
01:29:55,625 --> 01:29:58,445
So just as I'm sitting here contemplating ROI,

1728
01:29:58,445 --> 01:29:59,765
that was something that came to mind

1729
01:29:59,765 --> 01:30:01,165
and I think I wanted to share.

1730
01:30:01,895 --> 01:30:02,925
Thank you Clerk Lawrence.

1731
01:30:03,905 --> 01:30:05,765
My thoughts are, I understand

1732
01:30:05,765 --> 01:30:07,245
where Trustee Pavers coming from.

1733
01:30:07,565 --> 01:30:10,085
I understand where Treasurer Bloomfield's coming from.

1734
01:30:10,145 --> 01:30:11,965
I'm so grateful to be able to have a board up here

1735
01:30:11,965 --> 01:30:13,605
to be able to have a good discussion with.

1736
01:30:14,085 --> 01:30:15,845
I think there's benefits in both

1737
01:30:15,905 --> 01:30:18,885
and I think that there's obviously if you look at spending

1738
01:30:18,895 --> 01:30:20,765
money, you know, it's obviously it,

1739
01:30:21,075 --> 01:30:22,405
it's like you're spending money.

1740
01:30:23,025 --> 01:30:26,845
So I would say even if there weren't anything to be found

1741
01:30:26,865 --> 01:30:29,885
of wrongdoing, but there could be something to be found of

1742
01:30:29,905 --> 01:30:31,205
how we could do things better.

1743
01:30:32,245 --> 01:30:35,485
I believe that, you know, typically you, you do pay

1744
01:30:35,505 --> 01:30:37,485
for some extent of an education

1745
01:30:37,705 --> 01:30:40,725
and so the expense that would go towards this,

1746
01:30:40,725 --> 01:30:42,885
even if there was no said wrongdoing or

1747
01:30:43,105 --> 01:30:46,445
or anything, what could we gain to make us better?

1748
01:30:47,505 --> 01:30:51,405
So this is a tough one, it's a tough one.

1749
01:30:52,255 --> 01:30:54,125
Would we, would there be a cap?

1750
01:30:54,665 --> 01:30:56,485
So we, if we, if it's the range

1751
01:30:56,905 --> 01:31:00,205
and we get to the 57, what happens when we get to the 57

1752
01:31:01,345 --> 01:31:03,445
or the 60 if we choose the other ones,

1753
01:31:05,265 --> 01:31:07,485
My understanding an attorney Thul, you can correct us,

1754
01:31:07,485 --> 01:31:10,525
but we could say not to exceed X number

1755
01:31:10,745 --> 01:31:12,925
and then if it were to hit X number

1756
01:31:13,185 --> 01:31:16,725
and we thought there was more to do that would require us

1757
01:31:16,745 --> 01:31:18,285
to come back together to have

1758
01:31:18,285 --> 01:31:20,365
that discussion on why there would be more

1759
01:31:20,505 --> 01:31:22,285
so we could, is that correct?

1760
01:31:22,425 --> 01:31:23,605
That's yeah, that's correct.

1761
01:31:24,315 --> 01:31:26,965
Yeah. So then I would feel more comfortable is

1762
01:31:26,965 --> 01:31:30,205
that if we cap it and that if anything ex exceeds that

1763
01:31:30,345 --> 01:31:32,685
or if they say well we can go ahead

1764
01:31:32,705 --> 01:31:36,205
and try to do X, Y, z, it's going to cost this amount, then

1765
01:31:37,665 --> 01:31:39,045
it has to come back to us and we have

1766
01:31:39,045 --> 01:31:41,125
to make the dec this decision again so

1767
01:31:41,125 --> 01:31:42,485
that it just doesn't run wild

1768
01:31:42,505 --> 01:31:44,525
and all of a sudden we've spent twice this amount

1769
01:31:48,475 --> 01:31:49,765
Trustee Van Bergen.

1770
01:31:51,145 --> 01:31:52,805
So when would you make a decision on

1771
01:31:53,645 --> 01:31:55,765
I agree with, with Trustee Aven

1772
01:31:55,865 --> 01:31:57,925
and we'd be making a decision on which

1773
01:31:58,225 --> 01:32:00,525
of the two companies we'd, we'd be using right

1774
01:32:01,205 --> 01:32:02,805
as the, as the forensic.

1775
01:32:02,995 --> 01:32:04,525
Okay. I know 'em both very well.

1776
01:32:05,125 --> 01:32:08,165
I do prefer leaning towards Raymond more.

1777
01:32:09,645 --> 01:32:11,685
I think they're very knowledgeable in this

1778
01:32:11,865 --> 01:32:15,485
and I think they handle it very professionally for us and,

1779
01:32:15,625 --> 01:32:18,365
and use our money in the right direction.

1780
01:32:19,685 --> 01:32:22,765
I do agree a hundred percent transparency is needed

1781
01:32:23,065 --> 01:32:27,125
and I think overwhelmingly the community has asked for it.

1782
01:32:28,125 --> 01:32:31,285
I think when I chose to do this, I wanted to make sure

1783
01:32:31,435 --> 01:32:34,405
that we weren't just making the decision for a few

1784
01:32:34,545 --> 01:32:36,885
but for everyone, and I think this is a good decision

1785
01:32:36,945 --> 01:32:39,445
for everyone is where I stand on it.

1786
01:32:39,585 --> 01:32:43,285
So I'm, I'm for it and would go along with with using that,

1787
01:32:43,305 --> 01:32:45,205
but I do like the cap limit on it

1788
01:32:45,205 --> 01:32:47,125
and then we can revisit it based on

1789
01:32:47,125 --> 01:32:48,405
what comes, comes around.

1790
01:32:51,025 --> 01:32:52,765
Any further comments? Trustee Paver?

1791
01:32:57,865 --> 01:33:02,565
No, I think that that there's, if there's a cap

1792
01:33:02,705 --> 01:33:06,005
and that we understand that we can, if there's a bond

1793
01:33:06,005 --> 01:33:07,525
or amounts that we can go after, then

1794
01:33:07,525 --> 01:33:09,405
that is obviously more beneficial to us than trying

1795
01:33:09,405 --> 01:33:11,045
to squeeze blood from a stone.

1796
01:33:12,985 --> 01:33:15,885
And so if that's something that, you know,

1797
01:33:15,885 --> 01:33:17,765
that's a possibility that we set a cap

1798
01:33:17,765 --> 01:33:21,685
to it, then yeah.

1799
01:33:22,585 --> 01:33:25,885
Oh yeah and then we would go out ba so we,

1800
01:33:25,885 --> 01:33:27,885
we just need something that's either this,

1801
01:33:27,925 --> 01:33:32,165
I mean this is just a quote so we'd have to put a cap on it

1802
01:33:32,165 --> 01:33:33,645
and then whatever comes within the cap,

1803
01:33:33,645 --> 01:33:34,885
whether they finished it or not.

1804
01:33:36,535 --> 01:33:38,605
Thank you Trustee Paver, Treasurer,

1805
01:33:38,605 --> 01:33:39,965
Bloomfield, anything further

1806
01:33:42,075 --> 01:33:43,445
Between the two companies?

1807
01:33:43,685 --> 01:33:44,925
I did like Ram better.

1808
01:33:45,445 --> 01:33:50,365
I liked the fact that he was a an FBI agent

1809
01:33:50,625 --> 01:33:55,565
and he has had experience with a lot of

1810
01:33:55,565 --> 01:33:56,965
what we're asking them to do

1811
01:33:58,225 --> 01:34:00,925
and I did visit with him probably 45 minutes

1812
01:34:01,065 --> 01:34:05,005
before either one of you had ever joined our interview.

1813
01:34:05,185 --> 01:34:07,285
So I felt comfortable with him

1814
01:34:07,385 --> 01:34:11,085
and also with his assistant that Christie that we talked to,

1815
01:34:11,105 --> 01:34:16,005
she asked a lot of really good questions that helped us

1816
01:34:17,755 --> 01:34:18,885
move forward with this.

1817
01:34:19,225 --> 01:34:21,605
So no, that's all I have. Thank you

1818
01:34:22,935 --> 01:34:23,935
Clerk Lawrence?

1819
01:34:24,035 --> 01:34:27,285
Yeah, I just wanted to add to speaking of Christie, so

1820
01:34:27,915 --> 01:34:31,005
Raymond has kind of a two-pronged approach, right?

1821
01:34:31,065 --> 01:34:33,925
So you have Chuck

1822
01:34:34,105 --> 01:34:36,085
who does the investigation side

1823
01:34:36,225 --> 01:34:38,645
and then Christy who does risk advisory.

1824
01:34:38,905 --> 01:34:43,845
And so she also looks at how we can prevent risk

1825
01:34:44,215 --> 01:34:47,365
where we might have, you know, loose ends

1826
01:34:47,365 --> 01:34:48,445
that we can tighten up.

1827
01:34:48,505 --> 01:34:50,325
So I do think there's some value too.

1828
01:34:51,205 --> 01:34:55,005
I, my recommendation would be that, that this is who we go,

1829
01:34:55,145 --> 01:34:56,405
you know, we choose this one

1830
01:34:57,085 --> 01:34:58,885
because I liked that piece of it too.

1831
01:34:58,915 --> 01:35:01,325
Like there's a, there's an opportunity for us to get better

1832
01:35:01,545 --> 01:35:03,365
and tighter with some of the things

1833
01:35:03,385 --> 01:35:05,445
and they will provide kind of both sides of

1834
01:35:05,445 --> 01:35:07,085
that, that approach.

1835
01:35:07,225 --> 01:35:08,405
So I thought that was valuable.

1836
01:35:09,655 --> 01:35:11,645
Thank you. Clerk Florence. Trustee Amos,

1837
01:35:12,165 --> 01:35:13,725
I have no comment on this. Thank you

1838
01:35:14,475 --> 01:35:15,485
Trustee Hart.

1839
01:35:16,825 --> 01:35:17,565
No further comment.

1840
01:35:22,985 --> 01:35:24,085
If there are no further comments

1841
01:35:24,185 --> 01:35:27,285
or questions, I would echo

1842
01:35:27,285 --> 01:35:31,165
that we do have a board meeting October 5th if someone

1843
01:35:32,255 --> 01:35:35,165
wants to wait, if someone wants to make a motion,

1844
01:35:35,745 --> 01:35:36,765
we could see where this goes.

1845
01:35:38,185 --> 01:35:41,085
I'd like to make a motion. I move that we

1846
01:35:42,105 --> 01:35:45,365
pursue the forensic audit with Raymond

1847
01:35:46,385 --> 01:35:47,965
and not to exceed

1848
01:35:48,935 --> 01:35:51,845
$57,000 in cost support

1849
01:35:53,305 --> 01:35:57,125
Motion made by Clerk Lawrence, supported by Trustee Paver.

1850
01:35:57,465 --> 01:36:02,445
Any board discussion? Trustee Hart? Done. Trustee Amos?

1851
01:36:04,595 --> 01:36:09,005
None except I, I believe that we need, need,

1852
01:36:11,155 --> 01:36:14,365
have the confidence of, of the residents

1853
01:36:14,385 --> 01:36:16,885
and I think that's the only way we can do this is

1854
01:36:17,225 --> 01:36:18,285
to go ahead with this.

1855
01:36:18,665 --> 01:36:19,925
So I approve it. Thank you.

1856
01:36:20,095 --> 01:36:21,965
Thank you Trustee Amos. Clerk Lawrence.

1857
01:36:24,235 --> 01:36:25,885
I've said Treasurer Bloomfield, no comment.

1858
01:36:25,885 --> 01:36:27,965
Thank you Trustee Paver? No comment.

1859
01:36:27,965 --> 01:36:29,765
Trustee Van Bruen, no comment.

1860
01:36:30,765 --> 01:36:35,565
I think that this could just help us move

1861
01:36:35,565 --> 01:36:36,805
forward one way or another.

1862
01:36:36,875 --> 01:36:38,085
Just move forward and

1863
01:36:38,085 --> 01:36:40,005
and if there's nothing to be found then it's done

1864
01:36:40,005 --> 01:36:42,485
and over with and, and the rear rear view mirror

1865
01:36:42,485 --> 01:36:43,525
is smaller than the front window.

1866
01:36:43,625 --> 01:36:45,125
And, and let's, let's move forward.

1867
01:36:45,345 --> 01:36:48,205
So we have a

1868
01:36:48,825 --> 01:36:50,765
motion support roll call vote.

1869
01:36:52,075 --> 01:36:56,765
Trustee Hart? Yes. Trustee Amos? Yes. Clerk Lawrence? Yes.

1870
01:36:56,775 --> 01:37:00,125
Supervisor Martin? Yes. Treasurer Bloomfield? Yes.

1871
01:37:00,995 --> 01:37:05,525
Trustee Paver? Yes. Trustee Van Bruen? Yes. Seven Yes.

1872
01:37:05,955 --> 01:37:06,955
Zero. No.

1873
01:37:08,305 --> 01:37:11,085
Moving along to supervisor we have the mdot proposal

1874
01:37:12,905 --> 01:37:14,765
if you guys would like to take the podium

1875
01:37:18,985 --> 01:37:20,125
and I'll let you get us started.

1876
01:37:20,225 --> 01:37:21,845
You can start us right from scratch. Okay

1877
01:37:21,845 --> 01:37:22,845
Sure.

1878
01:37:22,845 --> 01:37:25,325
My name is Ben Nun, I'm the operations engineer with

1879
01:37:26,045 --> 01:37:27,205
M Kalama tsc.

1880
01:37:27,405 --> 01:37:31,605
I oversee traffic operations, safety, utility permit

1881
01:37:32,105 --> 01:37:35,885
and maintenance in Kalamazoo County and Cas County.

1882
01:37:36,605 --> 01:37:38,645
Thanks for having us today here.

1883
01:37:40,305 --> 01:37:43,485
We were just like meeting with Supervisor Martin today

1884
01:37:43,625 --> 01:37:45,965
and like found out like you have the board meeting today

1885
01:37:46,065 --> 01:37:49,285
and like it's just happening all like real quick

1886
01:37:49,425 --> 01:37:50,925
but I appreciate the opportunity.

1887
01:37:52,065 --> 01:37:56,925
So I was just talking to Supervisor Martin today about

1888
01:37:56,925 --> 01:37:59,125
like some of the improvements that we have planned

1889
01:37:59,225 --> 01:38:00,685
for Gall Road.

1890
01:38:00,785 --> 01:38:02,725
As we know like it's a busy retail corridor.

1891
01:38:02,785 --> 01:38:05,245
We have some operations issues,

1892
01:38:05,355 --> 01:38:07,525
some safety issues there as well.

1893
01:38:07,665 --> 01:38:09,445
And what is kind of like in our plan

1894
01:38:09,445 --> 01:38:13,845
to do some improvements there, we are trying to kind

1895
01:38:13,845 --> 01:38:17,525
of expand the intersection like improved caps city at the

1896
01:38:17,525 --> 01:38:19,205
intersection of Sprinkle and Gall Road.

1897
01:38:19,905 --> 01:38:23,605
We are trying to align the gall run drive, Meyer drive

1898
01:38:23,955 --> 01:38:25,965
that approach like we, it's kind

1899
01:38:25,965 --> 01:38:28,405
of like not really aligned well the left turns are not

1900
01:38:28,405 --> 01:38:30,325
really operating very well.

1901
01:38:30,585 --> 01:38:32,285
26th Street and Gal Road,

1902
01:38:32,605 --> 01:38:35,445
that intersection also we know there are some delays

1903
01:38:35,445 --> 01:38:38,565
and safety concern a traffic light would

1904
01:38:38,565 --> 01:38:39,645
be beneficial there.

1905
01:38:39,945 --> 01:38:41,565
So all these three different things

1906
01:38:41,565 --> 01:38:45,205
that we are talking about like more operational improvements

1907
01:38:45,205 --> 01:38:47,245
and some safety improvements that we have planned for,

1908
01:38:47,705 --> 01:38:51,445
we do not have it set date when we would be able to do it.

1909
01:38:51,505 --> 01:38:56,485
It ties to the money and other things to like

1910
01:38:56,585 --> 01:38:58,605
how can we come up with a plan and everything

1911
01:38:58,625 --> 01:39:00,805
and we don't know the what timeline yet

1912
01:39:01,185 --> 01:39:02,845
but at least like to let you know

1913
01:39:02,845 --> 01:39:03,845
that like it's in our error

1914
01:39:03,865 --> 01:39:07,645
and we are pursuing the money actively.

1915
01:39:08,985 --> 01:39:10,925
So other than that,

1916
01:39:11,035 --> 01:39:13,605
like there are some other things like we talked about like

1917
01:39:13,605 --> 01:39:15,685
all these are more for motorized vehicles

1918
01:39:15,685 --> 01:39:17,445
but what about the non-motorized traffic?

1919
01:39:17,715 --> 01:39:19,965
What about the pedestrian? What about the bicyclist?

1920
01:39:19,965 --> 01:39:22,845
Right, so there are like three different

1921
01:39:22,845 --> 01:39:23,965
segments that we looked into.

1922
01:39:24,055 --> 01:39:28,325
There are possible improvements that we can do.

1923
01:39:30,945 --> 01:39:34,325
The inter quarter can benefit from having a sidewalk

1924
01:39:35,145 --> 01:39:38,125
on Gold Road on the south side from Sprinkled

1925
01:39:38,125 --> 01:39:39,205
road between sixth Street.

1926
01:39:40,025 --> 01:39:41,565
We have the sidewalk on the north side

1927
01:39:41,565 --> 01:39:42,805
but nothing on the south side.

1928
01:39:42,805 --> 01:39:44,485
But we know there are a lot of businesses,

1929
01:39:44,805 --> 01:39:46,845
restaurants they can benefit from

1930
01:39:46,845 --> 01:39:49,125
that the pedestrians can benefit from that.

1931
01:39:49,945 --> 01:39:53,405
We have multiple bus stops there

1932
01:39:53,425 --> 01:39:55,365
and you know like those bus riders,

1933
01:39:55,365 --> 01:39:58,365
they can really be benefited from that as well.

1934
01:39:59,385 --> 01:40:01,725
So that is the one part we looked into particularly

1935
01:40:01,725 --> 01:40:06,045
for Sidewalk again on Gold Road South side from sprinkle

1936
01:40:06,045 --> 01:40:10,205
to 26th Street, the another segment that we looked into is

1937
01:40:11,755 --> 01:40:15,485
Gold Road again on the south side from sprinkle to the West

1938
01:40:16,515 --> 01:40:17,605
Sunnyside drive.

1939
01:40:18,035 --> 01:40:20,405
That part like we looked into for more

1940
01:40:20,425 --> 01:40:21,645
for non-motor risk pathway

1941
01:40:22,305 --> 01:40:25,925
and the reason is being we are seeing like seven

1942
01:40:26,475 --> 01:40:28,125
bicycle related crashes

1943
01:40:28,125 --> 01:40:30,205
and one of those were like federal crashes

1944
01:40:30,205 --> 01:40:32,285
to severe injury crashes in the last five years.

1945
01:40:33,275 --> 01:40:37,605
This is a five lanes roadway with 55 mile, 50 mile

1946
01:40:38,255 --> 01:40:40,085
speed limit 50 mile per hour.

1947
01:40:40,345 --> 01:40:42,725
So when we have that motorized

1948
01:40:42,725 --> 01:40:44,685
and non-motorized traffic running

1949
01:40:45,425 --> 01:40:47,965
in the same system is like always dangerous

1950
01:40:47,965 --> 01:40:50,765
and we're looking into your master plan as well.

1951
01:40:50,865 --> 01:40:53,605
And it also calls for separation where possible

1952
01:40:53,605 --> 01:40:56,325
to have the non-motor resin motorized like if we can.

1953
01:40:57,345 --> 01:40:59,165
So that part also we're looking at for

1954
01:40:59,425 --> 01:41:01,525
and if we want to expand it farther

1955
01:41:01,825 --> 01:41:04,525
and want like a larger bigger connectivity,

1956
01:41:04,945 --> 01:41:09,005
it can go farther to the west to big speed drive in

1957
01:41:09,005 --> 01:41:11,845
that portion we are not seeing a whole lot of crashes.

1958
01:41:11,905 --> 01:41:15,685
But again the same the dynamic, right?

1959
01:41:15,715 --> 01:41:18,565
Like we have the higher speed limit, a lot of traffic volume

1960
01:41:19,265 --> 01:41:21,525
but not really a quite a separation from

1961
01:41:21,525 --> 01:41:23,085
non-motorized and motorized traffic.

1962
01:41:23,865 --> 01:41:27,005
So when we are looking for this like again I don't want

1963
01:41:27,005 --> 01:41:30,485
to just keep bringing it up like we're just like more at

1964
01:41:30,485 --> 01:41:32,165
this level, it's a concept plan.

1965
01:41:32,785 --> 01:41:34,685
We can go after the money

1966
01:41:34,745 --> 01:41:37,285
and if we have the money then like we can like really come

1967
01:41:37,285 --> 01:41:39,045
up with the timeline and the better plan.

1968
01:41:39,255 --> 01:41:41,165
Right now this is just like concept

1969
01:41:42,025 --> 01:41:44,485
and the reason that I'm bringing it up here now

1970
01:41:45,265 --> 01:41:47,245
for all the other intersection improvements

1971
01:41:47,245 --> 01:41:50,725
that I talked about, this is like M Road within our right

1972
01:41:50,725 --> 01:41:52,925
of way we're gonna build, we're gonna maintain

1973
01:41:53,065 --> 01:41:55,125
and like we're just letting you know

1974
01:41:55,225 --> 01:41:56,885
and I think like it's good for the community

1975
01:41:57,305 --> 01:42:01,565
but like there is not really much for us to ask for

1976
01:42:02,185 --> 01:42:04,285
but if we do anything non-motorized,

1977
01:42:04,285 --> 01:42:06,685
like whether it's a sidewalk or the non-motorized path,

1978
01:42:07,065 --> 01:42:08,205
we can build it.

1979
01:42:08,225 --> 01:42:10,725
So there would not be any upfront investment for you

1980
01:42:10,725 --> 01:42:14,245
because there would not be any capital like investment from

1981
01:42:14,265 --> 01:42:15,925
you that would be coming from the

1982
01:42:15,925 --> 01:42:17,125
state or the federal grant.

1983
01:42:17,945 --> 01:42:19,085
But once we build it,

1984
01:42:19,265 --> 01:42:21,605
the maintenance will be the responsibility of the community.

1985
01:42:22,165 --> 01:42:23,845
Whether it's the K township

1986
01:42:23,845 --> 01:42:25,925
or the party goes to city of Kalamazoo

1987
01:42:25,925 --> 01:42:28,605
or the Kalamazoo Charter Township, wherever it is,

1988
01:42:28,605 --> 01:42:31,005
the maintenance is going to be the responsibility

1989
01:42:31,005 --> 01:42:32,005
of the local communities.

1990
01:42:32,465 --> 01:42:34,565
So we want to be upfront about it

1991
01:42:34,565 --> 01:42:37,405
and see like if you are willing to

1992
01:42:39,905 --> 01:42:41,885
really move forward with that

1993
01:42:41,885 --> 01:42:45,125
because I do not want to chase the money and then find it

1994
01:42:45,125 --> 01:42:47,965
and then later like see like the maintenance like part like

1995
01:42:47,965 --> 01:42:50,165
you are not either willing or able to do it.

1996
01:42:50,545 --> 01:42:51,965
So we don't want to do that.

1997
01:42:52,225 --> 01:42:53,885
So we need the confidence

1998
01:42:54,065 --> 01:42:56,165
and the buy-in from the local communities

1999
01:42:56,165 --> 01:42:57,205
before we try to do that.

2000
01:42:57,205 --> 01:42:58,645
And it's kinda like one of our criteria

2001
01:42:59,405 --> 01:43:02,645
once we are really submitting our proposal, we want to say

2002
01:43:02,645 --> 01:43:04,125
that like at least like we have the

2003
01:43:04,125 --> 01:43:05,525
commitment from the local communities.

2004
01:43:05,985 --> 01:43:08,845
So in a nutshell this is like where we are at.

2005
01:43:08,915 --> 01:43:13,085
Like we want to know that like you see the value in it

2006
01:43:13,225 --> 01:43:15,485
and you have the commitment

2007
01:43:15,545 --> 01:43:16,805
and like right now we are not looking

2008
01:43:16,805 --> 01:43:18,645
for any legal com commitments or anything.

2009
01:43:18,925 --> 01:43:20,965
I mean once you get to the point like definitely there would

2010
01:43:20,965 --> 01:43:23,325
be some legal agreement that you would be maintaining that

2011
01:43:23,345 --> 01:43:24,605
and it's like very standard.

2012
01:43:24,945 --> 01:43:27,205
We work with all the communities for that like

2013
01:43:27,505 --> 01:43:29,045
for sidewalk and non-motorized pathway.

2014
01:43:29,825 --> 01:43:32,325
But definitely we can, if there is any question

2015
01:43:32,465 --> 01:43:35,285
or concerns like we can figure this out as we go.

2016
01:43:35,425 --> 01:43:37,565
I'm very confident that that should go pretty smoothly

2017
01:43:37,565 --> 01:43:38,605
with a standard procedure.

2018
01:43:39,465 --> 01:43:42,045
But yeah first of all to chase that money

2019
01:43:42,665 --> 01:43:45,365
for your community, for our community, I wanna know

2020
01:43:45,365 --> 01:43:47,285
that like at least like you have buy-in

2021
01:43:48,305 --> 01:43:50,645
and like you're seeing the value in it.

2022
01:43:50,705 --> 01:43:51,705
So

2023
01:43:51,955 --> 01:43:55,045
Yeah, and so how we got to this point is I had reached out

2024
01:43:55,645 --> 01:43:57,845
actually when I was campaigning to the Mdot team

2025
01:43:57,865 --> 01:43:59,005
to talk about Gall Road.

2026
01:43:59,545 --> 01:44:01,245
We are talking tonight about taxes

2027
01:44:01,865 --> 01:44:04,805
and there's the expenditures and there's the revenues

2028
01:44:05,065 --> 01:44:07,805
and as the world's costs are increasing and,

2029
01:44:07,805 --> 01:44:11,285
and we're maintaining, you know just trying to stay afloat

2030
01:44:11,285 --> 01:44:13,605
with Millages that stay the same

2031
01:44:13,665 --> 01:44:15,085
as the world's costs are increasing.

2032
01:44:15,585 --> 01:44:19,285
One way to get past that would be to accelerate revenues

2033
01:44:19,465 --> 01:44:21,045
and Gall road's a great place to do

2034
01:44:21,045 --> 01:44:23,005
that per our master plan.

2035
01:44:23,005 --> 01:44:25,005
We wouldn't be encroaching on the rural character,

2036
01:44:25,105 --> 01:44:28,005
the community, there's a lot of development potential

2037
01:44:28,385 --> 01:44:31,285
but there's also a lot of traffic speed, traffic concern,

2038
01:44:31,285 --> 01:44:33,925
traffic safety and how do we put the ME pedal

2039
01:44:33,945 --> 01:44:36,405
to the metal on Gall Road and really hammer down

2040
01:44:36,405 --> 01:44:37,685
and do some development.

2041
01:44:37,745 --> 01:44:40,005
So that's where we started with this conversation.

2042
01:44:40,395 --> 01:44:42,925
Then we got into a traffic impact study

2043
01:44:43,145 --> 01:44:45,365
and where that traffic impact study is happening.

2044
01:44:45,965 --> 01:44:49,205
We talked about better ways with Comstock Township,

2045
01:44:49,465 --> 01:44:50,645
how we can communicate

2046
01:44:50,645 --> 01:44:52,845
with MDOT when we're doing proposals such

2047
01:44:52,845 --> 01:44:56,445
as we identified some gaps with Chick-fil-A

2048
01:44:56,445 --> 01:44:57,605
and seven Brew coffee

2049
01:44:57,605 --> 01:44:59,365
where there could have been a little bit more synergy.

2050
01:44:59,865 --> 01:45:01,845
And so now working with the planning

2051
01:45:01,845 --> 01:45:05,525
and zoning director Clerk Lawrence on the Planning

2052
01:45:05,525 --> 01:45:09,045
Commission, that's already gonna be in the standards

2053
01:45:09,045 --> 01:45:12,805
of the inner working of continuity between making sure

2054
01:45:12,835 --> 01:45:15,805
that everybody's aligned with, with what's going on.

2055
01:45:15,905 --> 01:45:19,405
So today when we talked we talked about the standards

2056
01:45:19,405 --> 01:45:21,725
of some of the things that they're already doing,

2057
01:45:22,185 --> 01:45:26,365
but in addition, this proposal for us tonight would be

2058
01:45:26,385 --> 01:45:31,045
to show our interest to get the bicycle lanes off of, off

2059
01:45:31,045 --> 01:45:34,085
of the main road into its own separate lane

2060
01:45:34,465 --> 01:45:35,925
or potentially a sidewalk.

2061
01:45:36,345 --> 01:45:37,645
And that does align with

2062
01:45:37,645 --> 01:45:39,405
what we have set forth in the master plan.

2063
01:45:40,425 --> 01:45:44,405
So if anybody has any questions for Brandon, Trustee Hart?

2064
01:45:46,275 --> 01:45:49,045
None at this time. Trustee MS

2065
01:45:50,595 --> 01:45:54,165
Does this apply to the,

2066
01:45:54,265 --> 01:45:56,125
the right hand turn on sprinkle?

2067
01:45:58,995 --> 01:46:01,285
Does what apply? I'm not sure the question, sorry.

2068
01:46:01,675 --> 01:46:05,525
This discussion. Oh yeah, well I've talked about it

2069
01:46:05,525 --> 01:46:06,845
and I've asked about it

2070
01:46:06,845 --> 01:46:09,685
before that I, I personally believe when you're traveling

2071
01:46:10,605 --> 01:46:12,125
I think north on Sprinkle Road

2072
01:46:12,125 --> 01:46:14,725
and you come to Gull Road that I would like to see

2073
01:46:15,905 --> 01:46:18,925
the right hand turn red stop that

2074
01:46:19,565 --> 01:46:21,685
because then it would break up the traffic a little more.

2075
01:46:22,045 --> 01:46:23,845
I mean try to make a left hand turn out

2076
01:46:23,845 --> 01:46:24,925
of out of McDonald's.

2077
01:46:24,925 --> 01:46:27,005
Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah.

2078
01:46:27,105 --> 01:46:31,165
So we are looking into different access management as well.

2079
01:46:31,345 --> 01:46:33,245
So when I'm saying access management, like we're trying

2080
01:46:33,245 --> 01:46:36,925
to see how can we have less driveways

2081
01:46:37,305 --> 01:46:39,325
and have like lesser access points

2082
01:46:39,325 --> 01:46:40,605
because the more the access point,

2083
01:46:40,625 --> 01:46:41,925
the more conflicts, right?

2084
01:46:42,345 --> 01:46:44,405
So it's not just only for the McDonalds like

2085
01:46:44,405 --> 01:46:45,525
for other businesses as well.

2086
01:46:45,635 --> 01:46:48,365
It's a little bit difficult to do business already

2087
01:46:48,425 --> 01:46:50,085
who are enjoying their own driveways.

2088
01:46:50,085 --> 01:46:51,645
They're not willing to give up, right?

2089
01:46:51,985 --> 01:46:53,845
But we are looking at it as a whole

2090
01:46:53,945 --> 01:46:57,645
and we have a road project coming in 2029 so

2091
01:46:58,605 --> 01:47:00,405
probably there will be some opportunities at that time.

2092
01:47:00,475 --> 01:47:03,565
Like right now I just cannot like really say like

2093
01:47:03,595 --> 01:47:05,205
what are those possibilities are?

2094
01:47:05,555 --> 01:47:09,165
This is like more like as the time comes in, like we have

2095
01:47:09,165 --> 01:47:11,165
to have those conversations and see like where does it go

2096
01:47:11,385 --> 01:47:14,165
and it can get legal and all this kinda stuff.

2097
01:47:14,265 --> 01:47:16,805
And like, not that we don't have the experience of doing it,

2098
01:47:16,955 --> 01:47:18,965
it's just a rigorous pro process.

2099
01:47:19,275 --> 01:47:20,765
Like we did that in West Maine.

2100
01:47:20,765 --> 01:47:23,805
Like as you see, like we kind of really try to get rid

2101
01:47:23,805 --> 01:47:26,125
of a lot of driveways or try to make it like more

2102
01:47:26,845 --> 01:47:29,085
consolidated so like multiple business can use like

2103
01:47:29,185 --> 01:47:30,485
one driveways.

2104
01:47:30,505 --> 01:47:34,125
But right now again, like we have some ideas

2105
01:47:34,505 --> 01:47:35,565
but nothing concrete

2106
01:47:36,505 --> 01:47:39,005
And tonight would be talking about if we were to add

2107
01:47:39,005 --> 01:47:42,285
that secondary non-motorized path or a and

2108
01:47:42,285 --> 01:47:46,045
or a sidewalk that then we would have to show the interest

2109
01:47:46,465 --> 01:47:49,285
of the commitment, then we would need to figure out how

2110
01:47:49,285 --> 01:47:51,325
to maintain them so they would do the capital

2111
01:47:51,355 --> 01:47:52,885
expenditure of getting it going.

2112
01:47:54,125 --> 01:47:56,285
Possibly I could twist Brandon's arm on some sort

2113
01:47:56,285 --> 01:47:58,205
of maintenance but we would likely have

2114
01:47:58,205 --> 01:48:01,485
to maintain them from a, from a snow removal. Yeah.

2115
01:48:01,715 --> 01:48:04,885
Yeah. And and this is competitive so like we're going like

2116
01:48:05,625 --> 01:48:07,925
we are proposing something for this community again,

2117
01:48:07,925 --> 01:48:09,165
like some of the people are competing

2118
01:48:09,165 --> 01:48:10,205
for their communities, right?

2119
01:48:10,465 --> 01:48:12,605
So when we're doing it, that's why like your buyin

2120
01:48:12,605 --> 01:48:14,005
so important because if we don't have

2121
01:48:14,005 --> 01:48:15,365
that like we're already losing it.

2122
01:48:16,025 --> 01:48:18,685
So other communities, if they are have like full buy-in,

2123
01:48:18,715 --> 01:48:20,005
they can sell it better

2124
01:48:20,065 --> 01:48:21,925
to wherever the money is coming from, right?

2125
01:48:22,105 --> 01:48:23,725
So that's like all we are trying to do here

2126
01:48:24,625 --> 01:48:26,525
to see like if there is any confidence

2127
01:48:27,275 --> 01:48:29,205
from the local communities. For us Clerk

2128
01:48:29,365 --> 01:48:32,285
Lawrence, I would be fully in favor of this.

2129
01:48:33,125 --> 01:48:35,885
I think that we, you know, again, we have best,

2130
01:48:35,985 --> 01:48:37,925
we potentially have funding coming in.

2131
01:48:38,255 --> 01:48:39,765
We've heard from the residents

2132
01:48:39,765 --> 01:48:41,925
that they're not excited about the a hundred acres

2133
01:48:43,015 --> 01:48:45,805
being given back to the township for green space.

2134
01:48:46,265 --> 01:48:49,845
But this does follow into our master plan of providing ease

2135
01:48:49,865 --> 01:48:52,525
of transportation, walkability, et cetera.

2136
01:48:52,625 --> 01:48:55,645
And I think this is a way, I think there might be a way

2137
01:48:55,645 --> 01:48:58,205
to utilize some of those funds if it comes down

2138
01:48:58,365 --> 01:49:00,965
to maintaining, you know, maintaining this

2139
01:49:00,965 --> 01:49:02,205
that residents have a benefit.

2140
01:49:02,345 --> 01:49:04,205
If it requires us to have, you know,

2141
01:49:04,205 --> 01:49:07,645
have our maintenance folks out there snowplowing a,

2142
01:49:07,885 --> 01:49:09,725
a walkway in the wintertime,

2143
01:49:10,105 --> 01:49:12,645
that's probably a really great use of some of those funds

2144
01:49:12,865 --> 01:49:15,725
and it, it will make things safer for our community.

2145
01:49:16,225 --> 01:49:17,245
It will make things

2146
01:49:17,425 --> 01:49:20,205
and it potentially will help development in that area

2147
01:49:20,205 --> 01:49:23,005
because as a business, you know, having the ability

2148
01:49:23,105 --> 01:49:24,405
for people to safely move

2149
01:49:24,405 --> 01:49:27,325
and walk from business to business, we,

2150
01:49:27,425 --> 01:49:29,045
we can potentially accelerate growth.

2151
01:49:29,145 --> 01:49:31,205
So I think it's, it's a win-win.

2152
01:49:31,265 --> 01:49:33,325
We also talked about, you know,

2153
01:49:33,465 --> 01:49:36,645
our last meeting we had Chief Deputy Bishop

2154
01:49:36,825 --> 01:49:38,565
and I asked the question about how many

2155
01:49:38,565 --> 01:49:40,365
of our calls were to Gall Road.

2156
01:49:41,545 --> 01:49:45,085
So we're also talking about police coverage in our community

2157
01:49:45,665 --> 01:49:48,565
and a large portion of our police

2158
01:49:48,665 --> 01:49:51,525
and public safety needs hit those main access points.

2159
01:49:51,585 --> 01:49:55,085
And so if we can make them safer potentially we lessen the

2160
01:49:55,085 --> 01:49:57,725
burden of that police work there,

2161
01:49:57,725 --> 01:50:01,565
which will then infuse it back into our communities as well.

2162
01:50:01,705 --> 01:50:03,405
So I see this as a huge win.

2163
01:50:04,415 --> 01:50:07,485
Thank you Clerk Lawrence. Trustee Van Bruen. Yeah.

2164
01:50:07,485 --> 01:50:08,565
Would so would this be,

2165
01:50:08,945 --> 01:50:11,485
and I hear a couple things is would it be like a lane

2166
01:50:11,485 --> 01:50:14,005
reassignment or would it like they

2167
01:50:14,005 --> 01:50:15,325
did downtown with a bike lane?

2168
01:50:16,745 --> 01:50:18,325
I'm not about that. So that, that that's

2169
01:50:18,325 --> 01:50:19,885
what we're trying to not do here.

2170
01:50:20,095 --> 01:50:22,565
We're trying to get bicycle outta the road.

2171
01:50:23,005 --> 01:50:24,885
I figured they were going to eat me up for bringing

2172
01:50:24,885 --> 01:50:26,165
that. So, so,

2173
01:50:26,705 --> 01:50:30,405
So it's possible a, a road widening project to put a lane

2174
01:50:30,825 --> 01:50:32,085
or the sidewalk is

2175
01:50:32,085 --> 01:50:33,085
What you're Saying?

2176
01:50:33,085 --> 01:50:34,725
It's sidewalk and the non-motorized pathway.

2177
01:50:35,245 --> 01:50:37,845
Sidewalk again between the sprinkle and 26th Street. Okay.

2178
01:50:37,845 --> 01:50:40,245
And the non-motorized pathway is, I just wanted to be clear

2179
01:50:40,305 --> 01:50:41,445
to the west of the sprinkle.

2180
01:50:41,555 --> 01:50:45,885
Okay there might be some road widening at the intersection

2181
01:50:45,885 --> 01:50:47,045
of Sprinkle and Gold Road

2182
01:50:48,585 --> 01:50:50,925
as you probably already have experienced, like

2183
01:50:50,925 --> 01:50:52,845
how difficult it is to make the left turn the

2184
01:50:52,845 --> 01:50:54,445
westbound to southbound.

2185
01:50:54,825 --> 01:50:56,285
So going to the east

2186
01:50:56,385 --> 01:50:58,885
and then making the left turn to sprinkle is difficult.

2187
01:50:59,465 --> 01:51:03,725
So we are trying to see like if we can have dual left lane

2188
01:51:03,725 --> 01:51:07,485
there and again like these are all like modeled

2189
01:51:07,485 --> 01:51:09,525
and studied like we don't have any money now.

2190
01:51:09,985 --> 01:51:12,005
We are trying, we're trying to chase for it

2191
01:51:12,005 --> 01:51:14,005
and trying to find this money to make that happen.

2192
01:51:14,235 --> 01:51:15,965
Yeah. But yeah, other than that like no,

2193
01:51:16,065 --> 01:51:18,525
no other road expansion. Okay.

2194
01:51:18,785 --> 01:51:22,285
And currently the bike lane is in the, in the road lane.

2195
01:51:22,285 --> 01:51:23,645
In the lane. It's in the road, yes.

2196
01:51:23,865 --> 01:51:27,925
And it's 55 50 miles per hour and this is totally unsafe

2197
01:51:27,945 --> 01:51:29,525
and that's what we're seeing like seven bicycle

2198
01:51:29,755 --> 01:51:31,085
crashes in five years

2199
01:51:31,505 --> 01:51:32,505
And one was fatal.

2200
01:51:32,665 --> 01:51:35,885
I'm hearing a lot of of people from Pavilion come

2201
01:51:35,885 --> 01:51:40,725
to me right now in Comstock about Kilgore Road by Pavilion

2202
01:51:40,725 --> 01:51:43,525
where the bus stops in the middle of Kilgore Road

2203
01:51:43,525 --> 01:51:44,525
to let all the kids out.

2204
01:51:45,435 --> 01:51:48,565
Anytime we can get children bicyclers,

2205
01:51:48,595 --> 01:51:50,925
anybody off the road is safe for everybody.

2206
01:51:51,065 --> 01:51:53,525
So yeah, I'm a hundred percent supporting this. Thank

2207
01:51:53,525 --> 01:51:54,525
You.

2208
01:51:54,525 --> 01:51:57,085
Trustee paver, is that

2209
01:51:57,125 --> 01:51:58,565
what the map's for or what do you got that's,

2210
01:51:58,765 --> 01:52:01,005
We don't have it some. Yeah I think we have some.

2211
01:52:01,155 --> 01:52:02,565
Yeah. Can we bring that up? Yes.

2212
01:52:07,455 --> 01:52:09,845
Again, these are very preliminary as I mentioned,

2213
01:52:09,915 --> 01:52:12,045
just concept at this point it's gonna show

2214
01:52:14,455 --> 01:52:15,565
where we are kind of like

2215
01:52:16,345 --> 01:52:19,205
Propos in and you're suggesting this here

2216
01:52:20,985 --> 01:52:23,405
or this is when this is already,

2217
01:52:23,515 --> 01:52:24,605
this is already, this is already current

2218
01:52:24,605 --> 01:52:25,645
yours. You're all on

2219
01:52:25,645 --> 01:52:26,645
This side.

2220
01:52:26,645 --> 01:52:27,845
These are all like yeah we are proposing

2221
01:52:27,845 --> 01:52:28,925
like what, where it can go.

2222
01:52:29,185 --> 01:52:34,125
Yes. And so, and just to confirm

2223
01:52:34,235 --> 01:52:36,285
that the sidewalks are not actually maintained

2224
01:52:36,425 --> 01:52:37,645
by the township.

2225
01:52:37,645 --> 01:52:38,805
The sidewalks are maintained by the

2226
01:52:38,925 --> 01:52:40,085
businesses that they sit in front of.

2227
01:52:43,385 --> 01:52:44,805
So the sidewalks

2228
01:52:44,805 --> 01:52:46,725
Would be our initial responsibility.

2229
01:52:46,785 --> 01:52:48,085
But there are ordinances

2230
01:52:48,085 --> 01:52:50,205
that different municipalities put in place

2231
01:52:50,305 --> 01:52:51,445
to make the sidewalks the

2232
01:52:51,445 --> 01:52:53,525
responsibility of the property owner. Okay.

2233
01:52:53,585 --> 01:52:54,805
So yeah, like in Portage,

2234
01:52:55,945 --> 01:52:58,365
in AMO I believe recently just did that. Yes.

2235
01:52:58,385 --> 01:52:59,805
So it is something that can be done. Yes.

2236
01:52:59,835 --> 01:53:02,045
Okay. Potential can be done for Visa one as well.

2237
01:53:02,635 --> 01:53:04,445
Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2238
01:53:04,465 --> 01:53:08,205
We get a lot of interest in that I'm sure. Okay.

2239
01:53:08,545 --> 01:53:09,765
So I just wanted to see where it is.

2240
01:53:09,765 --> 01:53:11,525
You had this nice thing here so I wanted to see it.

2241
01:53:12,985 --> 01:53:14,005
And then on this side as well.

2242
01:53:14,035 --> 01:53:16,765
Yeah, this side as well. So actually this is like both are

2243
01:53:16,765 --> 01:53:17,765
showing on the south side,

2244
01:53:17,765 --> 01:53:19,125
these are like two different segments.

2245
01:53:19,505 --> 01:53:22,965
So one is from sprinkle two all the way to Sunnyside Drive

2246
01:53:23,425 --> 01:53:26,045
and then rest is from Sunnyside Drive to big speed.

2247
01:53:26,635 --> 01:53:29,165
Yeah. And we are showing in two different segments just

2248
01:53:29,165 --> 01:53:31,965
because the speed drops after Sunnyside Drive

2249
01:53:32,465 --> 01:53:35,645
and also we are seeing less bicycle crashes there.

2250
01:53:35,825 --> 01:53:39,445
Yes. Again, if there is not enough appetite, maybe we go

2251
01:53:39,445 --> 01:53:41,525
with only one or maybe we get the money

2252
01:53:41,545 --> 01:53:44,605
to do only one segment at this point and get the money

2253
01:53:44,605 --> 01:53:45,645
and do the rest later.

2254
01:53:46,035 --> 01:53:47,205
Okay. We're kind of trying

2255
01:53:47,205 --> 01:53:48,645
to prioritize, you know. Sure. Just

2256
01:53:48,645 --> 01:53:50,725
Based on is there two, can we, is there a way

2257
01:53:50,725 --> 01:53:51,765
for us to get this and then

2258
01:53:52,385 --> 01:53:54,365
We, we can stand, we can definitely send you the PD

2259
01:53:54,395 --> 01:53:55,805
That would be great asked. Thank

2260
01:53:55,805 --> 01:53:56,805
You.

2261
01:53:56,805 --> 01:53:57,065
Yep. Okay.

2262
01:53:58,405 --> 01:54:00,165
Anything further Trustee behavior? Nope.

2263
01:54:00,525 --> 01:54:01,525
Treasurer Bloomfield?

2264
01:54:03,475 --> 01:54:07,725
Yeah, I, I, I'm excited for this And

2265
01:54:08,275 --> 01:54:10,165
also I just wanna say if Ben just met

2266
01:54:10,165 --> 01:54:11,645
with you this afternoon, which I know he

2267
01:54:11,645 --> 01:54:13,245
did 'cause he's always very busy.

2268
01:54:13,545 --> 01:54:16,285
It is very impressive that you are here tonight. Yeah. Yeah.

2269
01:54:16,605 --> 01:54:19,285
I just wanna say thank you and kudos to the three of you.

2270
01:54:19,545 --> 01:54:22,925
I'm just very impressed with absolutely what you've done.

2271
01:54:23,265 --> 01:54:25,685
Yep. Absolutely. We are trying to build that relationship

2272
01:54:25,825 --> 01:54:28,605
and see like if there is any gaps, like if we can bridge

2273
01:54:28,605 --> 01:54:31,445
that gap so like, you know, we can work together and we're

2274
01:54:31,445 --> 01:54:32,445
Ready.

2275
01:54:32,895 --> 01:54:35,045
Thank you. Yep. I appreciate the time.

2276
01:54:35,325 --> 01:54:36,885
I appreciate the opportunity.

2277
01:54:37,245 --> 01:54:38,885
I look forward to developing Gall Road

2278
01:54:38,885 --> 01:54:40,245
and obviously making it safer

2279
01:54:41,065 --> 01:54:43,325
and I'm in full support of supporting our master plan.

2280
01:54:44,185 --> 01:54:46,925
Any further board discussion? Trustee Amos?

2281
01:54:48,125 --> 01:54:50,165
I would just like to make a comment for. Yep.

2282
01:54:51,985 --> 01:54:53,605
For those who do not know,

2283
01:54:53,665 --> 01:54:56,125
the state police sets the speed limit

2284
01:54:56,705 --> 01:54:58,685
and you don't wanna ask about the speed limit.

2285
01:54:58,865 --> 01:55:01,685
We did years ago and they did a study

2286
01:55:01,865 --> 01:55:04,845
and they have this thing called 80 percentile

2287
01:55:04,945 --> 01:55:07,605
and 80% of the people were doing over the speed limit.

2288
01:55:07,705 --> 01:55:09,245
So they raised the speed limit when

2289
01:55:09,245 --> 01:55:10,325
we really wanted to lower.

2290
01:55:10,425 --> 01:55:11,965
So don't complain about speed limit.

2291
01:55:12,735 --> 01:55:14,525
Thank you Trustee. A Mrs. Trustee Hart,

2292
01:55:14,945 --> 01:55:16,165
Am I allowed to ask a question?

2293
01:55:16,425 --> 01:55:19,725
Yes sir. For the M-M-D-O-T expert other than Gulf Road

2294
01:55:20,265 --> 01:55:21,405
within in the township?

2295
01:55:22,315 --> 01:55:23,685
Yeah, Sure, sure. Yeah.

2296
01:55:24,545 --> 01:55:28,205
Are you aware of, are there any plans, studies or

2297
01:55:28,205 --> 01:55:30,965
otherwise regarding 35th Street

2298
01:55:31,885 --> 01:55:33,365
overpass at 94?

2299
01:55:36,585 --> 01:55:37,805
Do you have anything Here?

2300
01:55:37,865 --> 01:55:42,805
Yes, we actually, I, hi everyone, I'm, I'm traffic and

2301
01:55:42,805 --> 01:55:44,645
Safety in here. So I come

2302
01:55:44,645 --> 01:55:45,645
To the podium.

2303
01:55:45,645 --> 01:55:46,565
Will you take the podium for us?

2304
01:55:48,555 --> 01:55:50,605
It's recorded so this way public

2305
01:55:50,965 --> 01:55:52,045
watching from home can hear.

2306
01:55:52,545 --> 01:55:55,765
I'm just shorter that, so yeah,

2307
01:55:55,965 --> 01:55:58,005
I received some complaint on, on that

2308
01:55:58,225 --> 01:56:01,645
and we looked into that corridor

2309
01:56:02,345 --> 01:56:05,365
and I'm, we are aware of that as the safety issue

2310
01:56:05,505 --> 01:56:08,325
and like, so yeah, the delays,

2311
01:56:08,665 --> 01:56:10,485
and this is in our, this is something

2312
01:56:10,485 --> 01:56:12,205
that we are gonna investigate further.

2313
01:56:13,065 --> 01:56:16,845
We are planning to do an operation study for that segment

2314
01:56:16,865 --> 01:56:21,325
as well to see if there is something that can be done.

2315
01:56:21,905 --> 01:56:26,085
But as Badden mentioned, these corridors

2316
01:56:26,085 --> 01:56:28,805
or segments, these are the locations that based on the

2317
01:56:29,345 --> 01:56:33,565
public feedback or crash or

2318
01:56:33,565 --> 01:56:36,405
or safety issues because we are checking into crashes

2319
01:56:36,405 --> 01:56:39,085
as well where we do have severe crashes

2320
01:56:39,145 --> 01:56:42,045
and based on that, these locations will be selected

2321
01:56:42,425 --> 01:56:46,245
and also delays and then it'll be submitted

2322
01:56:46,245 --> 01:56:47,325
for fundings and stuff.

2323
01:56:47,385 --> 01:56:50,205
So that's these segments for the,

2324
01:56:51,345 --> 01:56:52,565
for like sidewalk

2325
01:56:52,825 --> 01:56:56,765
and also bike path has been also selected based on the

2326
01:56:56,765 --> 01:56:58,445
safety issues that we have observed.

2327
01:56:59,025 --> 01:57:03,205
And it is more than like $2 million

2328
01:57:03,235 --> 01:57:06,445
that we are going to propose for these segments

2329
01:57:06,445 --> 01:57:11,085
to see if there is, if we can get that project

2330
01:57:11,385 --> 01:57:12,765
to just do this improvement.

2331
01:57:12,785 --> 01:57:16,605
But that is also something that we, it is in our list. Yeah.

2332
01:57:16,705 --> 01:57:18,925
To just see if there is any improvement that can

2333
01:57:18,925 --> 01:57:19,925
Be done there as well.

2334
01:57:19,925 --> 01:57:22,445
Is that your concern? Is more about the delay there at the

2335
01:57:22,445 --> 01:57:25,365
interchange or is there any specific concern?

2336
01:57:26,595 --> 01:57:30,525
Well, I don't have official records,

2337
01:57:31,105 --> 01:57:34,125
but that is an extremely hazardous intersection.

2338
01:57:35,155 --> 01:57:37,565
There's north and southbound traffic. Yeah.

2339
01:57:37,615 --> 01:57:40,605
There are exit and entry ramps both ways.

2340
01:57:41,615 --> 01:57:43,245
Sight lines are not very good

2341
01:57:43,905 --> 01:57:47,605
and with the added residential units in the area,

2342
01:57:47,705 --> 01:57:49,325
it is very, very crowded. Yeah.

2343
01:57:49,595 --> 01:57:52,045
Yeah. So it's congested for sure.

2344
01:57:53,955 --> 01:57:55,725
Yeah we have, we're we're gonna look into it

2345
01:57:55,725 --> 01:57:57,125
because that's what like we were talking about.

2346
01:57:57,125 --> 01:57:59,485
Yeah. Like to, like what may we have

2347
01:57:59,485 --> 01:58:01,365
to do like hire consultants

2348
01:58:01,385 --> 01:58:04,005
and do the study like what we did for Gold Road

2349
01:58:04,305 --> 01:58:05,685
or we might do it in house.

2350
01:58:06,415 --> 01:58:07,965
It'll take a little bit of like time

2351
01:58:08,025 --> 01:58:09,365
and effort for us to do it.

2352
01:58:12,285 --> 01:58:15,005
A tricky key to actually do anything of those interchanges.

2353
01:58:15,005 --> 01:58:17,965
Like I know like these are done like, like probably 50,

2354
01:58:17,965 --> 01:58:19,845
60 years ago and the traffic has changed.

2355
01:58:19,845 --> 01:58:23,045
Yeah. Like significantly. But again, like any, any time

2356
01:58:23,065 --> 01:58:25,205
to do any changes with the freeway interchange,

2357
01:58:25,235 --> 01:58:27,885
like these are like a really big investment.

2358
01:58:27,995 --> 01:58:30,605
Yeah. And a lot of time, like the template money

2359
01:58:30,605 --> 01:58:32,765
that we have, like from year to year, these are like,

2360
01:58:33,795 --> 01:58:35,405
it's not gonna cover any of this.

2361
01:58:35,425 --> 01:58:38,005
So we have to find a different source.

2362
01:58:38,385 --> 01:58:40,485
But again, even before that, like we need to find out

2363
01:58:40,485 --> 01:58:43,765
what would be the right fix for that interchange.

2364
01:58:43,945 --> 01:58:46,725
And we are on it, we are, we are aware of it

2365
01:58:46,725 --> 01:58:47,725
and we're gonna look into it.

2366
01:58:48,345 --> 01:58:50,885
That's probably gonna happen next year sometime,

2367
01:58:50,885 --> 01:58:53,245
like when we'll be able to do the study again

2368
01:58:53,245 --> 01:58:55,165
to do the study to find out what's wrong

2369
01:58:55,225 --> 01:58:57,565
and what the possible solution is. Yeah.

2370
01:58:57,625 --> 01:58:59,205
The problem is that the construction

2371
01:58:59,365 --> 01:59:02,405
but the, the ramps are not aligned so that's tricky

2372
01:59:02,465 --> 01:59:05,565
to turn left and yeah, we are aware of that issue as well.

2373
01:59:05,565 --> 01:59:09,405
As Benon said, it's on in our list to look Yeah.

2374
01:59:09,405 --> 01:59:10,485
Study further. But,

2375
01:59:11,505 --> 01:59:14,085
So on this wood, if we don't have any further questions

2376
01:59:14,235 --> 01:59:15,445
we'd be looking for

2377
01:59:16,945 --> 01:59:21,765
and if you guys would support this, be looking for a motion

2378
01:59:21,905 --> 01:59:25,965
to support the MO proposal for Gall road, would

2379
01:59:25,965 --> 01:59:27,845
that be specific enough or is there a study?

2380
01:59:28,085 --> 01:59:30,085
I would say it like for any non-motorized improvements,

2381
01:59:30,305 --> 01:59:34,885
if we install, like are you agree to maintain it like

2382
01:59:35,875 --> 01:59:37,925
when, if and when it is installed

2383
01:59:38,665 --> 01:59:42,085
And this is kind of the informal stage of Yes absolutely.

2384
01:59:42,085 --> 01:59:44,205
Teeing you up to, to go further. Correct.

2385
01:59:44,305 --> 01:59:45,565
And then there would be a proposal

2386
01:59:45,825 --> 01:59:47,685
and some formality, some linear length.

2387
01:59:47,685 --> 01:59:50,285
Yes. And then some time to explore cost

2388
01:59:50,345 --> 01:59:52,165
and see perhaps Yeah.

2389
01:59:52,215 --> 01:59:54,525
Where our equipment, what we have right. In order to do it.

2390
01:59:54,525 --> 01:59:55,845
So this would just get them started.

2391
01:59:56,025 --> 01:59:57,685
So I'd be looking for a motion

2392
01:59:58,145 --> 02:00:00,645
to support the MO proposal for non-motorized.

2393
02:00:02,285 --> 02:00:05,125
I will make that motion to support that the

2394
02:00:06,125 --> 02:00:07,365
MDOT study

2395
02:00:08,235 --> 02:00:09,235
Support.

2396
02:00:09,235 --> 02:00:12,045
Do we need to specify though in the motion that we would

2397
02:00:14,485 --> 02:00:15,685
I think like if you can just specify

2398
02:00:15,875 --> 02:00:18,965
that like you are in support of the maintenance again,

2399
02:00:18,965 --> 02:00:20,445
like if and when it is installed.

2400
02:00:21,355 --> 02:00:24,765
Yeah. That way like that's like all we kinda need.

2401
02:00:24,765 --> 02:00:27,005
There's no question to kinda go and submit our proposal.

2402
02:00:27,225 --> 02:00:28,225
Yes.

2403
02:00:28,515 --> 02:00:30,645
Alright. I will amend the motion then that we

2404
02:00:31,315 --> 02:00:35,565
support the study of non-motorized conditions.

2405
02:00:35,905 --> 02:00:36,965
Not the study at this point.

2406
02:00:36,965 --> 02:00:39,605
Like we are kind of down in the study, we just like trying

2407
02:00:39,605 --> 02:00:41,245
to find the fund to really install it,

2408
02:00:41,745 --> 02:00:42,765
The maintenance of It.

2409
02:00:43,075 --> 02:00:46,325
Okay. How that we support the study of the maintenance Yes.

2410
02:00:47,105 --> 02:00:48,165
Of those no throwaways,

2411
02:00:48,425 --> 02:00:51,005
but how do we know what our, the cap's gonna be on this

2412
02:00:51,005 --> 02:00:54,285
Thing so that we're just teeing him up to get started.

2413
02:00:54,455 --> 02:00:56,325
Right. And then more formality

2414
02:00:56,345 --> 02:00:58,805
before we make a solid legal binding commitment.

2415
02:00:58,805 --> 02:01:01,365
This is a non-binding commitment. Absolutely. Tonight.

2416
02:01:01,925 --> 02:01:03,045
Absolutely. It's just to gauge interest

2417
02:01:03,045 --> 02:01:04,285
to get started. Yes. So

2418
02:01:04,285 --> 02:01:05,285
That's what I want.

2419
02:01:05,285 --> 02:01:08,085
There'll be a contract when, like when it formally

2420
02:01:08,855 --> 02:01:11,485
comes forward, there'll be a contract for you to sign

2421
02:01:12,025 --> 02:01:15,725
for maintenance of the non-motorized pathway. Correct?

2422
02:01:16,025 --> 02:01:18,205
Yes. I make a motion support.

2423
02:01:19,085 --> 02:01:22,325
I think you already have one. Is that motion satisfactory?

2424
02:01:23,355 --> 02:01:24,365
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

2425
02:01:24,595 --> 02:01:26,805
Like if I can get a copy of these like,

2426
02:01:26,805 --> 02:01:29,045
and like we're gonna just attach it to our proposal.

2427
02:01:29,825 --> 02:01:31,885
I'm a little unclear what the motion is. Yeah, exactly.

2428
02:01:31,885 --> 02:01:33,285
Lets, let's try

2429
02:01:33,285 --> 02:01:34,805
to clear up a little and I have to put that in minutes.

2430
02:01:34,995 --> 02:01:36,845
It's, it's not necessarily a study.

2431
02:01:37,285 --> 02:01:40,405
I would be looking for the MDOT proposal on gall road

2432
02:01:40,985 --> 02:01:44,285
for the non-motorized lanes and with a, with a maintenance

2433
02:01:44,345 --> 02:01:46,165
And support of the maintenance agreement. Yep.

2434
02:01:46,505 --> 02:01:48,765
Or supportive. If you wanna try that one, Trustee Hart.

2435
02:01:49,035 --> 02:01:52,085
Alright, my amended motion will be

2436
02:01:52,425 --> 02:01:56,645
for the MDOT coach me along here.

2437
02:01:57,365 --> 02:02:00,005
Proposal. Proposal for the maintenance

2438
02:02:00,665 --> 02:02:02,725
of the new thorough affairs on gall road, on

2439
02:02:02,725 --> 02:02:05,245
Non-motorized pathway, On non-motorized

2440
02:02:05,305 --> 02:02:07,645
Of non-motorized thorough affairs on gall road

2441
02:02:08,315 --> 02:02:10,925
Support Motion made by Trustee Hart.

2442
02:02:10,995 --> 02:02:15,125
Supported by Clerk Lawrence. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye.

2443
02:02:15,275 --> 02:02:16,565
Opposed? Motion passes.

2444
02:02:16,815 --> 02:02:18,045
Thank you guys very much for your time.

2445
02:02:18,115 --> 02:02:19,765
Look forward to working with ya. I appreci. Thank you.

2446
02:02:19,855 --> 02:02:21,965
Thank you. Okay, we're moving along

2447
02:02:21,965 --> 02:02:23,765
to Planning Commission appointment in the packet.

2448
02:02:24,125 --> 02:02:27,005
I have the application for Mary McDermot.

2449
02:02:27,105 --> 02:02:30,525
We have one seat available on the Planning Commission.

2450
02:02:30,525 --> 02:02:32,365
The Planning Commission is a board of seven

2451
02:02:33,075 --> 02:02:34,765
Mary and her career.

2452
02:02:36,305 --> 02:02:38,765
She doesn't align with what everybody else is doing,

2453
02:02:38,825 --> 02:02:40,965
so she brings a different perspective to the board.

2454
02:02:42,295 --> 02:02:44,485
There was the battery energy storage proposal

2455
02:02:44,515 --> 02:02:47,485
that was in front of the township board and,

2456
02:02:47,545 --> 02:02:48,565
and right at that time

2457
02:02:48,575 --> 02:02:50,485
where we were gonna appoint a new person,

2458
02:02:50,565 --> 02:02:52,125
I just thought it would be appropriate to wait for

2459
02:02:52,125 --> 02:02:53,685
that project to pass.

2460
02:02:54,185 --> 02:02:57,885
Now we are on to working on moratorium for data centers,

2461
02:02:58,295 --> 02:02:59,525
moratorium for solar,

2462
02:02:59,895 --> 02:03:01,725
other developments and things like that.

2463
02:03:01,825 --> 02:03:04,205
And I think that Mary would bring a great,

2464
02:03:05,855 --> 02:03:07,525
great experience to the Planning Commission.

2465
02:03:07,865 --> 02:03:09,645
So is there any board questions?

2466
02:03:12,705 --> 02:03:14,565
If there are no questions, I'd be looking for a motion.

2467
02:03:16,625 --> 02:03:17,805
I'm gonna make a comment and then

2468
02:03:17,805 --> 02:03:18,965
I'll make a motion for you.

2469
02:03:19,185 --> 02:03:21,845
We also had the opportunity to interview Mary

2470
02:03:22,025 --> 02:03:24,325
for the Trustee positions as well.

2471
02:03:24,585 --> 02:03:27,925
So just got, I got a little bit of exposure

2472
02:03:28,065 --> 02:03:29,805
and we had a lot of good commentary.

2473
02:03:30,845 --> 02:03:34,085
I think she was on, you know, a lot of shortlists for,

2474
02:03:34,625 --> 02:03:36,005
for Trustee spots too.

2475
02:03:36,105 --> 02:03:38,005
So I would welcome her to

2476
02:03:40,755 --> 02:03:42,685
helping with township leadership.

2477
02:03:42,905 --> 02:03:46,685
So all of that said, I move that we accept the

2478
02:03:47,365 --> 02:03:50,165
Planning Commission appointment of Mary McDermot

2479
02:03:50,275 --> 02:03:53,725
Support motion made by Clerk Lawrence, supported

2480
02:03:53,725 --> 02:03:55,045
by Trustee Amos.

2481
02:03:55,045 --> 02:03:59,805
Any board discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye.

2482
02:03:59,945 --> 02:04:03,525
Aye. Opposed? Motion passes. Congratulations Mary.

2483
02:04:03,525 --> 02:04:08,405
Look forward to working with ya. Moving along to the city

2484
02:04:08,405 --> 02:04:10,765
of Kalamazoo public services properties, forest

2485
02:04:10,825 --> 02:04:13,205
and deer management discussion and possible action.

2486
02:04:13,475 --> 02:04:15,685
Jean, thank you for sitting with us through this meeting.

2487
02:04:15,685 --> 02:04:17,965
Appreciate you coming this evening. Well,

2488
02:04:17,965 --> 02:04:19,645
Thank you for putting us on your agenda.

2489
02:04:19,925 --> 02:04:22,085
I appreciate it. Director Baker could not make it.

2490
02:04:22,085 --> 02:04:25,365
He did wanna be here, so we apologize for that.

2491
02:04:26,945 --> 02:04:30,365
I'm here asking on behalf of the city of Kalamazoo public

2492
02:04:31,205 --> 02:04:34,325
Services department to go ahead with our deer

2493
02:04:34,825 --> 02:04:39,645
and forest management plan that we presented the last

2494
02:04:40,935 --> 02:04:44,485
board meeting and we prevented or we

2495
02:04:44,725 --> 02:04:48,045
provided the q and a that you were asking for.

2496
02:04:48,845 --> 02:04:51,525
I consolidated all the questions that we have been receiving

2497
02:04:52,225 --> 02:04:55,125
and I think I covered anything that came to us.

2498
02:04:56,025 --> 02:04:58,205
So at this point,

2499
02:04:59,795 --> 02:05:01,925
Yeah, and, and just to bring the board up to speed,

2500
02:05:02,675 --> 02:05:05,805
when I was approached on this topic being that, oh,

2501
02:05:05,805 --> 02:05:06,805
about a year and a half ago

2502
02:05:06,805 --> 02:05:09,885
or so, we had some topics of PFAS and some water studies

2503
02:05:09,945 --> 02:05:14,845
and some samples in that, in, in the, I would say the kinda

2504
02:05:16,095 --> 02:05:21,085
north area of 30th Street near some greenhouses.

2505
02:05:21,085 --> 02:05:25,245
There I was, I was brought forward this proposal

2506
02:05:25,625 --> 02:05:27,245
of forestry management

2507
02:05:27,385 --> 02:05:29,285
and I thought it would just be a good insight

2508
02:05:29,285 --> 02:05:30,445
to the community, bring it forth

2509
02:05:30,445 --> 02:05:33,365
to the board in case anybody was asking, you know,

2510
02:05:33,365 --> 02:05:34,525
if there's logging equipment,

2511
02:05:34,525 --> 02:05:35,925
if there's trucks, what's going on?

2512
02:05:35,985 --> 02:05:38,205
Are we drilling new wells? Are we building new houses?

2513
02:05:38,705 --> 02:05:42,245
What's going on? So I wanted them to bring it forward more

2514
02:05:42,265 --> 02:05:45,245
for the actual physical labor

2515
02:05:45,305 --> 02:05:46,485
and the work that would be done.

2516
02:05:46,625 --> 02:05:49,205
But to my surprise, more

2517
02:05:49,205 --> 02:05:51,565
of the concern was for the deer hunting.

2518
02:05:52,785 --> 02:05:56,685
And I understand that if you do clear some canopies

2519
02:05:56,685 --> 02:05:59,685
for new growth of saplings, if you have deer after 'em

2520
02:05:59,705 --> 02:06:02,045
and there's a, a high population

2521
02:06:02,045 --> 02:06:04,445
of deer in the area supported by the DNR,

2522
02:06:05,395 --> 02:06:07,485
basically they would allow public safety.

2523
02:06:07,505 --> 02:06:09,965
And I did get some, quite a few phone calls from the

2524
02:06:09,965 --> 02:06:12,885
Sheriff's Department of Interest to be able to hunt there.

2525
02:06:13,065 --> 02:06:15,605
It wouldn't be open reigns for anybody

2526
02:06:15,665 --> 02:06:16,805
to be able to hunt there.

2527
02:06:17,115 --> 02:06:18,805
They would have an assigned tree stand.

2528
02:06:18,835 --> 02:06:20,805
They would work with Gene

2529
02:06:20,805 --> 02:06:24,445
and Director Baker to be assigned a hunting spot

2530
02:06:24,625 --> 02:06:26,125
and a permit, if you will.

2531
02:06:26,585 --> 02:06:30,085
And if you are not in line and you are not vetted

2532
02:06:30,085 --> 02:06:32,445
or validated, you'll have to answer to the DNR.

2533
02:06:32,985 --> 02:06:35,205
And so I would say if this is something

2534
02:06:35,205 --> 02:06:36,445
that the DNR supports,

2535
02:06:37,325 --> 02:06:38,805
I personally have no problem with that.

2536
02:06:38,965 --> 02:06:42,285
I understand that if, if you want new growth on trees,

2537
02:06:42,315 --> 02:06:44,565
like you've gotta do something to manage.

2538
02:06:45,965 --> 02:06:48,045
I also friends with the farmer

2539
02:06:48,545 --> 02:06:51,125
and he didn't chew my head off about this idea.

2540
02:06:51,465 --> 02:06:56,125
So I think he, I would've heard about it if so. So

2541
02:06:58,145 --> 02:06:59,145
Any questions?

2542
02:06:59,145 --> 02:07:00,885
I would like to mention one more thing because

2543
02:07:00,885 --> 02:07:02,285
of the public comments that we got

2544
02:07:02,585 --> 02:07:06,765
and the safety issues with the hunting,

2545
02:07:07,375 --> 02:07:09,965
where there are public walking trails,

2546
02:07:10,505 --> 02:07:12,885
we have excluded the walking trails completely from

2547
02:07:12,885 --> 02:07:14,005
the deer management area.

2548
02:07:14,345 --> 02:07:16,245
So there there'll be no conflict there.

2549
02:07:16,305 --> 02:07:19,365
But we will be posting, if you don't mind me showing you,

2550
02:07:19,365 --> 02:07:23,045
these are some of our draft hunting type signs.

2551
02:07:23,505 --> 02:07:27,645
And it says that walkers should stay on the hiking trails.

2552
02:07:27,645 --> 02:07:29,085
There's QR code out there.

2553
02:07:29,145 --> 02:07:31,645
You can always find out where you are and how to get back.

2554
02:07:32,445 --> 02:07:34,045
There should be no real reason for anyone

2555
02:07:34,045 --> 02:07:35,525
to stay off the hiking trails.

2556
02:07:35,945 --> 02:07:39,565
And then the deer hunters themselves will have to go to,

2557
02:07:39,565 --> 02:07:43,085
through the pre mandatory kind of a little class

2558
02:07:43,305 --> 02:07:45,565
and vetting that we put on that, make sure

2559
02:07:45,565 --> 02:07:47,205
that they know all of our rules.

2560
02:07:47,265 --> 02:07:49,765
So basically it's a, a regular deer hunt,

2561
02:07:49,795 --> 02:07:54,325
like on any non-city property, but we have extra regulations

2562
02:07:54,345 --> 02:07:56,045
and we're extra cautious about that.

2563
02:07:56,665 --> 02:07:59,125
And to be clear, this is not township owned property.

2564
02:07:59,125 --> 02:08:02,565
This property is located within township property within

2565
02:08:02,725 --> 02:08:03,725
Comstock Township,

2566
02:08:03,985 --> 02:08:07,925
but owned by the city of Kalamazoo. Are there any questions?

2567
02:08:08,545 --> 02:08:11,685
No, but I, Trustee Amos

2568
02:08:12,375 --> 02:08:16,205
There, there are other places that they do this there

2569
02:08:16,205 --> 02:08:18,525
where there are walking trails and they allow hunting

2570
02:08:19,065 --> 02:08:21,725
and it has worked very well.

2571
02:08:21,745 --> 02:08:23,485
You haven't heard of anybody getting shot

2572
02:08:23,505 --> 02:08:25,165
or anything within the last few years?

2573
02:08:25,285 --> 02:08:26,485
I know people who have done this.

2574
02:08:27,145 --> 02:08:28,725
My neighbor down the street, he,

2575
02:08:28,905 --> 02:08:30,805
he hunts the, some of the property.

2576
02:08:31,305 --> 02:08:33,085
And this goes on, has went on

2577
02:08:33,085 --> 02:08:34,725
for quite a while and it's been safe.

2578
02:08:35,145 --> 02:08:36,645
No one has been hurt that I have ever

2579
02:08:36,645 --> 02:08:40,405
Heard of Trustee Hart, do we know where the city

2580
02:08:40,405 --> 02:08:44,005
of Kalamazoo stands on this Jean?

2581
02:08:44,105 --> 02:08:45,845
You wanna, would you enlighten Trustee Hart?

2582
02:08:46,215 --> 02:08:48,245
Where do you, where's your stance? Well,

2583
02:08:48,305 --> 02:08:49,525
I'm not gonna be able to

2584
02:08:50,075 --> 02:08:52,325
explain this the way Director Baker could,

2585
02:08:52,325 --> 02:08:53,965
but all of this is tied

2586
02:08:54,025 --> 02:08:56,885
to the Comstock Well head protection

2587
02:08:57,195 --> 02:08:58,805
program and the ordinance.

2588
02:08:59,625 --> 02:09:03,365
And that is in line with the city also has the same type of

2589
02:09:05,025 --> 02:09:08,485
of ordinance and it protects the well fields.

2590
02:09:08,505 --> 02:09:10,245
And of course, this is a active,

2591
02:09:10,315 --> 02:09:12,885
well field pumping active well field.

2592
02:09:13,585 --> 02:09:16,245
So, and then higher than that is more of a, the,

2593
02:09:17,225 --> 02:09:20,405
the U-P-C-U-P-S, I'm sorry, UPC, sorry,

2594
02:09:20,565 --> 02:09:22,085
UPCI

2595
02:09:22,085 --> 02:09:26,405
Don't attend them very often, so kind of confusing for me.

2596
02:09:26,465 --> 02:09:29,525
But they oversee higher than just the city

2597
02:09:29,525 --> 02:09:31,325
of Kalamazoo or Comstock.

2598
02:09:31,385 --> 02:09:34,605
So they're all the jurisdictions that are tied

2599
02:09:34,625 --> 02:09:36,605
to the city's drinking water supply.

2600
02:09:37,345 --> 02:09:39,245
And through that, this all fits in

2601
02:09:39,245 --> 02:09:42,365
with our wellhead protection plan.

2602
02:09:42,505 --> 02:09:45,205
We have a plan, you guys have, we are under your

2603
02:09:45,765 --> 02:09:47,525
Comstock Township ordinance.

2604
02:09:48,425 --> 02:09:52,925
So improving the property, again, we are going through the

2605
02:09:53,625 --> 02:09:57,405
Forest Michigan Faucet program, which is housed by the DNR.

2606
02:09:57,505 --> 02:10:01,005
And that is a whole series of ways

2607
02:10:01,185 --> 02:10:04,005
of improving the property.

2608
02:10:04,385 --> 02:10:07,445
The trees with deep root systems, the wetlands

2609
02:10:07,445 --> 02:10:09,605
with deep root systems, all of those lead

2610
02:10:09,605 --> 02:10:10,685
to better water quality.

2611
02:10:11,185 --> 02:10:13,405
So it's a whole program and they fully support

2612
02:10:13,405 --> 02:10:14,525
us on what we've been doing.

2613
02:10:15,275 --> 02:10:17,205
Like I said before, we started it

2614
02:10:17,205 --> 02:10:18,965
before it was even a program by the state,

2615
02:10:19,665 --> 02:10:22,685
and it was just basic common sense of what we need to do

2616
02:10:22,705 --> 02:10:24,605
to improve our large tracks of land.

2617
02:10:24,605 --> 02:10:28,045
They've really been just neglected for a very long time

2618
02:10:28,185 --> 02:10:29,245
and it's very obvious.

2619
02:10:31,215 --> 02:10:32,645
Thank you. Any further questions?

2620
02:10:34,945 --> 02:10:39,405
No. So does Kalamazoo need to ascent to this also,

2621
02:10:39,585 --> 02:10:40,685
in addition to Comstock?

2622
02:10:41,385 --> 02:10:44,485
The, the plans were approved

2623
02:10:44,505 --> 02:10:46,405
by the former city manager or mayor?

2624
02:10:47,225 --> 02:10:51,165
No manager, sorry. So that's as far as we have to do

2625
02:10:51,165 --> 02:10:53,845
because this is outside of the city of Kalamazoo.

2626
02:10:53,845 --> 02:10:56,805
Okay. It's not tied to the urban Deer Management plan. So

2627
02:10:56,805 --> 02:10:57,805
Already approved.

2628
02:10:58,105 --> 02:11:02,885
Yes. Claire Florence? No questions.

2629
02:11:03,445 --> 02:11:06,845
Treasurer Bloomfield? I have nothing. Trustee Paver?

2630
02:11:07,105 --> 02:11:08,725
No comment. Trustee Van Bru Again,

2631
02:11:09,715 --> 02:11:11,565
Only thing I wanna say is was, you know,

2632
02:11:11,565 --> 02:11:13,365
looking at this map, and I do know that area

2633
02:11:13,545 --> 02:11:15,205
and deer are prevalent back there,

2634
02:11:15,205 --> 02:11:16,885
and I know there is a concern about hunting

2635
02:11:17,225 --> 02:11:18,685
and safety and I understand that.

2636
02:11:18,825 --> 02:11:20,365
And what I'll say is,

2637
02:11:20,385 --> 02:11:23,365
at least the way they're vetting this, we know who's in that woods.

2638
02:11:24,205 --> 02:11:25,645
I mean, that's one thing to consider too.

2639
02:11:25,845 --> 02:11:28,805
'cause I'm sure I own property in our own woods

2640
02:11:29,345 --> 02:11:31,925
and I've kicked people off my land more times than not.

2641
02:11:31,945 --> 02:11:34,045
But at least this way, you know who's back there and,

2642
02:11:34,265 --> 02:11:36,005
and who's, who's back there doing it.

2643
02:11:36,105 --> 02:11:37,645
So that's all I have to say.

2644
02:11:37,885 --> 02:11:39,365
I appreciate the good due diligence.

2645
02:11:39,945 --> 02:11:42,325
If there are no further board questions, I'd be looking

2646
02:11:42,385 --> 02:11:43,885
for a motion to support this project.

2647
02:11:47,395 --> 02:11:49,285
Move to support the city

2648
02:11:49,285 --> 02:11:51,325
of Kalamas Public Services Properties,

2649
02:11:51,325 --> 02:11:52,645
forest and Deer Management

2650
02:11:53,795 --> 02:11:57,245
Support Motion made by Trustee Van Bruen,

2651
02:11:57,245 --> 02:11:58,645
supported by Trustee Paver.

2652
02:11:58,665 --> 02:12:01,765
All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion Passes.

2653
02:12:01,975 --> 02:12:03,685
Thank you very much for your time and,

2654
02:12:03,825 --> 02:12:07,205
and commitment to putting that stuff together for us. Thank

2655
02:12:07,205 --> 02:12:08,325
You very much. You

2656
02:12:08,325 --> 02:12:09,325
Are waiting all this long.

2657
02:12:11,025 --> 02:12:13,805
Moving along to Employee Navigator integration.

2658
02:12:15,365 --> 02:12:19,445
I was just, you know, kind of going through things, talking

2659
02:12:19,515 --> 02:12:22,285
with our representative for our healthcare plan,

2660
02:12:22,575 --> 02:12:25,605
onboarding new employees and, and working with employees.

2661
02:12:25,725 --> 02:12:28,485
I noticed that we were just straight on paperwork.

2662
02:12:28,985 --> 02:12:31,645
And so when open enrollment comes around it's paperwork

2663
02:12:31,665 --> 02:12:34,285
and who has it and when it's time for renewals,

2664
02:12:34,395 --> 02:12:35,765
where's our employee census?

2665
02:12:36,145 --> 02:12:38,245
And then as well as the data that goes behind

2666
02:12:38,245 --> 02:12:39,245
that employee census.

2667
02:12:39,395 --> 02:12:42,685
It's, it's not only just the age of the employees,

2668
02:12:42,805 --> 02:12:45,885
but it's the age of the individuals that are encompassed

2669
02:12:45,905 --> 02:12:47,565
of the families and then the plans.

2670
02:12:48,025 --> 02:12:51,445
So this employee navigator brings forth a lot of data

2671
02:12:51,465 --> 02:12:54,245
and metrics, not only for us if we so choose

2672
02:12:54,265 --> 02:12:56,085
to use them, but for our provider.

2673
02:12:56,345 --> 02:12:58,165
And it makes it a little bit,

2674
02:12:59,565 --> 02:13:01,885
a little bit more streamlined for changes.

2675
02:13:02,265 --> 02:13:04,685
And what I would like to propose to the board is

2676
02:13:04,685 --> 02:13:06,925
that we support the Employee Navigator

2677
02:13:07,115 --> 02:13:09,325
integration in the packet.

2678
02:13:10,005 --> 02:13:14,565
I have the cost, it is 65 cents per employee per month.

2679
02:13:15,385 --> 02:13:17,325
The date quoted is

2680
02:13:17,665 --> 02:13:20,525
1349.4.

2681
02:13:21,105 --> 02:13:25,165
And with, with integration of the Health Savings Plan

2682
02:13:25,225 --> 02:13:28,165
and payroll, this will be able to streamline processes

2683
02:13:28,425 --> 02:13:30,765
and also take the human element out of

2684
02:13:31,625 --> 02:13:32,645
mis clicking anything.

2685
02:13:32,945 --> 02:13:34,885
And as well as if we embark on the journey

2686
02:13:34,885 --> 02:13:37,405
where we have employees enroll in multiple plans,

2687
02:13:37,545 --> 02:13:39,525
it would be able to sync right up with payroll.

2688
02:13:40,185 --> 02:13:43,205
And for 65 cents per employee per month,

2689
02:13:43,765 --> 02:13:45,005
I would be in support of this.

2690
02:13:46,185 --> 02:13:50,285
Any board questions? No. I would just say that I, I agree.

2691
02:13:50,285 --> 02:13:53,845
This is just a continuation of us. Yes.

2692
02:13:54,205 --> 02:13:56,285
Improving efficiency and saving costs

2693
02:13:56,585 --> 02:13:59,005
and something that this is going to do is going

2694
02:13:59,005 --> 02:14:00,165
to save on personnel cost

2695
02:14:00,465 --> 02:14:02,245
of not having to touch this so many times.

2696
02:14:02,625 --> 02:14:06,925
And so I'm in favor of it. Trustee Van Bruen.

2697
02:14:07,075 --> 02:14:09,765
Yeah. Is there an annual increase

2698
02:14:09,825 --> 02:14:11,125
and do we know how much their maximum

2699
02:14:11,125 --> 02:14:12,605
annual increase can be on the Deuce?

2700
02:14:12,995 --> 02:14:14,365
Yeah, I mean, I didn't see one in there.

2701
02:14:14,365 --> 02:14:15,445
That's the only reason I ask

2702
02:14:16,395 --> 02:14:18,325
This is with Mercantile.

2703
02:14:18,785 --> 02:14:22,925
So a banking institution that works with the Isol platform

2704
02:14:23,185 --> 02:14:26,125
and then Employee Navigator is just something

2705
02:14:26,365 --> 02:14:29,885
that we can utilize with our, our benefits.

2706
02:14:30,385 --> 02:14:34,405
And so we haven't, they haven't proposed anything.

2707
02:14:34,845 --> 02:14:36,565
I don't know exactly where they're heading with it,

2708
02:14:36,865 --> 02:14:38,045
but we can choose

2709
02:14:38,835 --> 02:14:40,165
because it's per month,

2710
02:14:40,605 --> 02:14:43,765
we can choose at some point if it becomes not cost,

2711
02:14:44,385 --> 02:14:46,765
you know, if it's cost prohibitive, we can not do it.

2712
02:14:47,065 --> 02:14:49,165
So it'd be any increase would be coming

2713
02:14:49,165 --> 02:14:51,445
through our current plans with Mercantile Bank

2714
02:14:51,465 --> 02:14:55,245
and the, the system we're using outside for the healthcare.

2715
02:14:55,385 --> 02:14:56,525
And yeah, we have Employee

2716
02:14:56,525 --> 02:14:57,885
navigator with healthcare, right?

2717
02:14:57,885 --> 02:15:01,005
Yes. And then we have Isol for, for payroll.

2718
02:15:01,385 --> 02:15:03,285
And this would integrate. It. Integrate. Perfect.

2719
02:15:03,715 --> 02:15:06,485
Okay. Treasurer Bloomfield, how long is the contract?

2720
02:15:07,555 --> 02:15:10,045
This is month to month. Yeah, month to month. Very good.

2721
02:15:10,225 --> 02:15:11,445
I'm good. Thank you. Clerk Lawrence?

2722
02:15:12,315 --> 02:15:15,045
Yeah, just also I solved our, our payroll

2723
02:15:15,565 --> 02:15:17,045
platform is also through Mercantile.

2724
02:15:17,185 --> 02:15:20,645
So this, to be honest, removing some of the,

2725
02:15:20,825 --> 02:15:24,845
the potential hell, the potential human element of

2726
02:15:25,985 --> 02:15:29,765
mis clicking or misal, I think is a huge advantage to

2727
02:15:31,265 --> 02:15:34,005
making our payroll process simpler.

2728
02:15:34,505 --> 02:15:37,725
And I am, I really like the ability for us

2729
02:15:38,865 --> 02:15:41,845
to offer the benefit package options

2730
02:15:42,065 --> 02:15:43,605
and this makes that much smoother.

2731
02:15:43,605 --> 02:15:45,325
Otherwise we're gonna complicate that.

2732
02:15:45,325 --> 02:15:49,925
And we're gonna spend far more than 65 cents per employee

2733
02:15:51,025 --> 02:15:55,165
trying to, to deposit money in four different places

2734
02:15:56,005 --> 02:15:57,485
to make sure everyone's taken care of.

2735
02:15:58,255 --> 02:16:00,165
Thank you. Clerk Lawrence. Trustee Amos.

2736
02:16:01,525 --> 02:16:03,405
I would support this. I think it's a good plan.

2737
02:16:03,955 --> 02:16:04,955
Trustee Hart.

2738
02:16:06,045 --> 02:16:08,045
I would support it also. And no further comment.

2739
02:16:08,375 --> 02:16:12,485
Thank you. I'd be looking for an motion for

2740
02:16:13,145 --> 02:16:15,445
the township to have the Employee navigator

2741
02:16:15,445 --> 02:16:17,645
integration with IOL Isol.

2742
02:16:19,125 --> 02:16:23,405
I move that we approve the use

2743
02:16:23,405 --> 02:16:25,285
of employee navigator integration.

2744
02:16:25,365 --> 02:16:28,925
I think it's the orange package through isol

2745
02:16:30,475 --> 02:16:32,845
Support Motion made by Clerk Lawrence,

2746
02:16:32,845 --> 02:16:34,165
supported by Trustee Hart.

2747
02:16:34,185 --> 02:16:36,685
All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed?

2748
02:16:36,685 --> 02:16:40,365
Motion passes moving along to Tustin's revised parking lot.

2749
02:16:40,365 --> 02:16:43,925
Full repair, full quote and discussion and possible action.

2750
02:16:45,225 --> 02:16:48,125
So in the packet we have the,

2751
02:16:52,545 --> 02:16:57,245
The quote, this is one of the things that was on my desk

2752
02:16:57,465 --> 02:16:59,165
as to the township made some changes

2753
02:16:59,665 --> 02:17:03,205
and the maintenance, the maintenance manager

2754
02:17:03,225 --> 02:17:05,685
of the township properties, we got together,

2755
02:17:05,685 --> 02:17:08,005
we talked about it and we looked at different

2756
02:17:08,005 --> 02:17:09,205
parts of the parking lot.

2757
02:17:09,665 --> 02:17:12,245
So we intercepted something else

2758
02:17:12,355 --> 02:17:13,725
that was already in the works.

2759
02:17:14,145 --> 02:17:15,885
And so we got a second proposal

2760
02:17:16,345 --> 02:17:18,885
and a proposal to just do the full parking lot.

2761
02:17:19,265 --> 02:17:22,805
But what we didn't realize was that we just needed

2762
02:17:22,805 --> 02:17:25,165
to understand where everybody was coming from.

2763
02:17:25,305 --> 02:17:26,845
So we did a site walk through them,

2764
02:17:26,845 --> 02:17:29,005
we clarified some questions for some drains

2765
02:17:29,345 --> 02:17:32,325
and bringing forth to you would be a comprehensive

2766
02:17:33,285 --> 02:17:36,205
altogether proposal of what it would cost in order

2767
02:17:36,225 --> 02:17:37,485
to maintain the parking lot.

2768
02:17:38,365 --> 02:17:40,125
$19,630.

2769
02:17:40,425 --> 02:17:42,245
We have some drains that are

2770
02:17:43,515 --> 02:17:45,645
from our maintenance snowplow division.

2771
02:17:46,505 --> 02:17:48,525
That's rough on the snowplow, rough on the trucks.

2772
02:17:49,115 --> 02:17:53,125
Also, we have some pretty big gaps out there in Washouts.

2773
02:17:53,405 --> 02:17:56,685
I did get a quote for a brand new driveway, it'd be $60,000.

2774
02:17:57,025 --> 02:17:58,565
So it'd be up to this board on

2775
02:17:58,905 --> 02:18:00,445
how we would wanna move forward.

2776
02:18:00,825 --> 02:18:04,685
But as of right now, the way things stand, I would recommend

2777
02:18:04,685 --> 02:18:06,725
that we do the maintenance program,

2778
02:18:06,905 --> 02:18:11,085
but I'm certainly not, you know, I I I would look

2779
02:18:11,085 --> 02:18:13,685
to the board on their direction on whether

2780
02:18:13,985 --> 02:18:18,045
or not we would wanna embark years later on a new driveway.

2781
02:18:18,305 --> 02:18:21,325
But the concern is the, you know, in

2782
02:18:21,325 --> 02:18:23,125
between the driveway's gonna get worse.

2783
02:18:23,745 --> 02:18:26,005
And so that, that is my concern.

2784
02:18:26,285 --> 02:18:28,005
Ultimately, I would love to save up

2785
02:18:28,105 --> 02:18:30,005
for a new driveway entirely,

2786
02:18:30,745 --> 02:18:33,165
but it's in pretty rough shape as it stands.

2787
02:18:33,225 --> 02:18:36,405
And it's just at that, at that crest of like,

2788
02:18:36,405 --> 02:18:38,725
if we don't repair it now, there's no going back.

2789
02:18:39,835 --> 02:18:40,835
Trustee Hart,

2790
02:18:42,185 --> 02:18:46,085
In your discussions with parking lot experts,

2791
02:18:46,865 --> 02:18:49,165
how long could we expect this repair to last?

2792
02:18:50,885 --> 02:18:53,605
Today we were talking and we,

2793
02:18:53,705 --> 02:18:57,165
we could at least expect a good five to seven years from it.

2794
02:19:04,475 --> 02:19:08,285
Anybody have an estimate in five or seven years?

2795
02:19:08,585 --> 02:19:10,285
How much would a new lot cost?

2796
02:19:12,085 --> 02:19:13,565
Probably a whole lot more than 60 K

2797
02:19:14,425 --> 02:19:15,425
I'm sure it would be.

2798
02:19:16,145 --> 02:19:19,885
Should we garner an estimate on that before we move forward?

2799
02:19:20,425 --> 02:19:21,725
We, we did get a new quote

2800
02:19:21,745 --> 02:19:24,045
for a brand new driveway from Jay Allen.

2801
02:19:24,515 --> 02:19:25,645
It's $60,000.

2802
02:19:26,035 --> 02:19:29,445
Yeah, I meant in the famous five or seven years.

2803
02:19:30,285 --> 02:19:32,245
I gotcha. Well, it'd be in the rated

2804
02:19:32,245 --> 02:19:33,725
of diesel fuel close to seven.

2805
02:19:33,965 --> 02:19:36,125
I I can imagine Clerk Lawrence.

2806
02:19:37,685 --> 02:19:39,365
I was just gonna say I, I don't know

2807
02:19:39,365 --> 02:19:40,445
that they're gonna give us that,

2808
02:19:40,465 --> 02:19:42,125
but I could assume that, you know,

2809
02:19:42,395 --> 02:19:44,325
it's gonna go up quite significantly.

2810
02:19:44,945 --> 02:19:48,325
So. But I, I know where your head's at

2811
02:19:48,525 --> 02:19:49,685
'cause I'm thinking the same thing.

2812
02:19:49,685 --> 02:19:53,365
Right? Do you spend a third of it now to, in five

2813
02:19:53,385 --> 02:19:56,165
to seven years potentially have, have it fail

2814
02:19:56,225 --> 02:19:57,685
and either spend another third

2815
02:19:57,985 --> 02:20:00,445
or do you just bite the bullet, get it fixed,

2816
02:20:01,065 --> 02:20:02,325
and move on with life?

2817
02:20:02,545 --> 02:20:03,605
And so I,

2818
02:20:05,365 --> 02:20:07,205
I don't wanna sit up here and spend a whole bunch of money.

2819
02:20:07,265 --> 02:20:09,245
We just told residents we're gonna try to lower,

2820
02:20:09,455 --> 02:20:10,485
lower millage rates,

2821
02:20:10,545 --> 02:20:13,085
but I think it's also about spending money smartly.

2822
02:20:13,185 --> 02:20:15,565
And if we spend $20,000 now,

2823
02:20:18,235 --> 02:20:19,485
gosh that feels,

2824
02:20:20,085 --> 02:20:23,445
I don't know, that's a little painful.

2825
02:20:23,865 --> 02:20:26,085
My wife uses the quote, buy once, cry once.

2826
02:20:27,025 --> 02:20:29,365
And I I will, I'll just be honest with you,

2827
02:20:29,425 --> 02:20:32,165
it is like there's some, there's some cracks out there that,

2828
02:20:32,425 --> 02:20:34,565
you know, potential legal liability that

2829
02:20:34,665 --> 02:20:35,845
that's a concern as well.

2830
02:20:37,325 --> 02:20:40,245
I would not be opposed of tabling this.

2831
02:20:41,245 --> 02:20:42,725
I don't think we have much time.

2832
02:20:43,025 --> 02:20:45,325
If we wanna get it on the, on the agenda

2833
02:20:45,385 --> 02:20:47,725
for the next board meeting, I think that would probably be

2834
02:20:47,955 --> 02:20:51,205
with their year ending, we could have a discussion on some

2835
02:20:51,205 --> 02:20:53,885
of this other stuff that could tee up to this

2836
02:20:54,145 --> 02:20:56,805
and we could make the decision at the next board meeting on

2837
02:20:56,905 --> 02:20:58,405
how we would wanna move forward.

2838
02:20:58,545 --> 02:21:00,645
Unless there's just a consensus now

2839
02:21:00,645 --> 02:21:03,605
that we would wanna do a repair Treasure Bloomfield,

2840
02:21:05,405 --> 02:21:07,765
I would be for tabling this and bringing it back.

2841
02:21:08,645 --> 02:21:12,085
I, with the businesses we've had, I've had enough experience

2842
02:21:12,085 --> 02:21:15,125
with this and I would never have seen

2843
02:21:17,255 --> 02:21:18,965
where a crack

2844
02:21:19,265 --> 02:21:22,085
and seal coat is gonna last five to seven years.

2845
02:21:23,265 --> 02:21:26,285
For me, it's every two years if I'm lucky.

2846
02:21:27,785 --> 02:21:32,405
So I, yeah, I'd be for doing it right the first time

2847
02:21:32,425 --> 02:21:33,605
and that would be spending the money,

2848
02:21:33,905 --> 02:21:36,205
but I'd like to see another bid from them

2849
02:21:36,305 --> 02:21:39,045
and from the other gentleman that quoted it.

2850
02:21:39,915 --> 02:21:41,925
Yeah, I I never received that one back.

2851
02:21:41,925 --> 02:21:42,965
So you didn't, Okay.

2852
02:21:43,225 --> 02:21:45,605
And this was something that was on the desk.

2853
02:21:45,675 --> 02:21:49,445
This is how this got queued up for, for me was it was one

2854
02:21:49,445 --> 02:21:52,285
of the more, the recent pile of, of things on there.

2855
02:21:52,285 --> 02:21:53,645
So Trustee paver,

2856
02:21:55,525 --> 02:21:57,205
I would just say it would probably behoove us

2857
02:21:57,205 --> 02:21:59,565
to make a decision sooner rather than later, regardless

2858
02:21:59,585 --> 02:22:00,885
of whatever it is that we do so

2859
02:22:00,885 --> 02:22:01,885
that we can get on the docket

2860
02:22:01,885 --> 02:22:04,245
because at some point they won't be able to come and seal

2861
02:22:04,505 --> 02:22:07,085
or do any work and that we are running out

2862
02:22:07,085 --> 02:22:08,365
of, you know, daylight.

2863
02:22:08,625 --> 02:22:13,125
So literally, so Trustee Van Bruen.

2864
02:22:13,555 --> 02:22:15,525
Yeah, we usually have till about Thanksgiving,

2865
02:22:15,555 --> 02:22:17,925
they shut the plants down for asphalt.

2866
02:22:18,065 --> 02:22:21,565
So, and I, and I did walk part of it today.

2867
02:22:22,395 --> 02:22:23,885
This is the industry I came from.

2868
02:22:24,225 --> 02:22:26,125
So I'm kind of curious on a couple other things

2869
02:22:26,125 --> 02:22:30,205
that are quote, anyways, it's not gonna get cheaper.

2870
02:22:30,525 --> 02:22:31,765
I mean, we're getting to the point now

2871
02:22:31,765 --> 02:22:34,085
where Asal is almost the same price as concrete

2872
02:22:34,385 --> 02:22:37,445
and you can almost concrete that drive

2873
02:22:37,785 --> 02:22:39,485
and have it for the rest of the time.

2874
02:22:39,485 --> 02:22:43,845
This township buildings here for roughly the same price too.

2875
02:22:43,905 --> 02:22:46,965
So I'd be interested in getting some quotes from,

2876
02:22:47,085 --> 02:22:48,525
I understand the one from Jay Allen.

2877
02:22:48,595 --> 02:22:52,445
There's several other people we can probably reach out

2878
02:22:52,445 --> 02:22:56,885
to too, but yeah, I don't, I don't like this idea

2879
02:22:57,015 --> 02:22:59,445
after looking through this more thoroughly

2880
02:22:59,465 --> 02:23:03,245
and treasurer Bloomfield's Commons is very accurate.

2881
02:23:04,105 --> 02:23:06,285
You're not gonna have it. And we should have talked

2882
02:23:06,285 --> 02:23:07,605
to the MOC guys while they're here

2883
02:23:07,665 --> 02:23:09,725
and maybe got a little assistance from them or the,

2884
02:23:10,185 --> 02:23:11,725
or Larry from the county.

2885
02:23:12,615 --> 02:23:14,565
Maybe they could have thrown some asphalt our way.

2886
02:23:14,825 --> 02:23:16,165
So I think we table it.

2887
02:23:16,215 --> 02:23:20,005
Thank you. Do we need to Trustee Amos microphone?

2888
02:23:24,195 --> 02:23:27,565
Will the fixing of the sewer pipe out there affect this?

2889
02:23:28,535 --> 02:23:30,845
We're gonna talk about that next. Okay.

2890
02:23:30,985 --> 02:23:33,485
But, but no on this part. Okay.

2891
02:23:33,765 --> 02:23:37,365
I have some experience with dealing with Tustin's.

2892
02:23:37,885 --> 02:23:40,245
I was the facilities manager at Interal

2893
02:23:40,345 --> 02:23:42,605
and I don't believe a seal coat will work.

2894
02:23:42,925 --> 02:23:44,485
I don't think it's gonna last that long.

2895
02:23:45,225 --> 02:23:47,285
It breaks up and falls apart in my opinion.

2896
02:23:48,705 --> 02:23:50,045
And some of those cracks to be fair,

2897
02:23:50,045 --> 02:23:51,885
because we probably slipped past

2898
02:23:51,885 --> 02:23:53,605
that maintenance part a little bit with,

2899
02:23:53,675 --> 02:23:55,925
it's like we're right at the very tail end

2900
02:23:55,985 --> 02:23:57,485
of being able to do it.

2901
02:23:57,505 --> 02:24:00,885
So I totally support tabling this discussion.

2902
02:24:00,885 --> 02:24:03,085
And, and I would, I'll get more quotes.

2903
02:24:03,745 --> 02:24:07,805
Do we need a motion to table this? You should do a motion

2904
02:24:09,635 --> 02:24:13,605
Move to Pable discussion on parking lot repair

2905
02:24:14,145 --> 02:24:15,645
or replacement to the next meeting.

2906
02:24:16,115 --> 02:24:19,045
Support Motion made by Trustee Van Bruen,

2907
02:24:19,045 --> 02:24:20,405
supported by Trustee Paver.

2908
02:24:20,405 --> 02:24:23,365
All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes.

2909
02:24:24,385 --> 02:24:29,045
Moving along to the PUD ordinance number 5 71 Second

2910
02:24:29,045 --> 02:24:31,365
reading Clerk Lawrence.

2911
02:24:32,865 --> 02:24:35,925
So just to bring everyone up to speed, who

2912
02:24:36,865 --> 02:24:38,325
hasn't been around for this?

2913
02:24:38,475 --> 02:24:41,125
This is actually a long time overdue.

2914
02:24:41,155 --> 02:24:44,005
This moved through the Planning Commission several months

2915
02:24:44,105 --> 02:24:47,885
ago and somehow fell through the cracks in getting adopted

2916
02:24:48,065 --> 02:24:50,405
or brought to the township board.

2917
02:24:51,155 --> 02:24:55,205
Essentially the Planning Commission was looking for ways to

2918
02:24:56,435 --> 02:24:59,965
help developers increase development in our community,

2919
02:25:00,115 --> 02:25:02,725
make it a little bit more desirable to develop here

2920
02:25:03,105 --> 02:25:04,485
and still maintain some,

2921
02:25:04,595 --> 02:25:06,445
some regulations and some oversight.

2922
02:25:06,505 --> 02:25:09,325
So what this PUD ordinance, I, I'll tell you the process,

2923
02:25:09,465 --> 02:25:13,285
we kind of looked at an ordinance that came out

2924
02:25:13,285 --> 02:25:16,525
of South Haven and they've been very successful with it.

2925
02:25:17,705 --> 02:25:20,885
And we found that it was a pretty good ordinance

2926
02:25:21,185 --> 02:25:24,245
and it still gives oversight to the Planning Commission

2927
02:25:24,305 --> 02:25:28,685
to ensure that developments are in alignment

2928
02:25:28,685 --> 02:25:31,205
with our master plan and in alignment with where

2929
02:25:31,265 --> 02:25:32,725
and what we would want to see.

2930
02:25:34,105 --> 02:25:38,245
But it gives some flexibility to hopefully encourage

2931
02:25:39,255 --> 02:25:40,485
developers in our area.

2932
02:25:40,665 --> 02:25:43,525
So overall it was really well received

2933
02:25:43,525 --> 02:25:44,565
by the Planning Commission.

2934
02:25:44,725 --> 02:25:46,565
I think it was passed unanimously there.

2935
02:25:47,355 --> 02:25:48,725
It's been read once here.

2936
02:25:49,185 --> 02:25:53,045
It was scheduled for the second reading on the meeting

2937
02:25:53,115 --> 02:25:55,885
that didn't happen due to failure to be able to quorum.

2938
02:25:56,225 --> 02:25:58,005
So we're bringing it back forth today

2939
02:25:58,225 --> 02:25:59,365
for the second reading.

2940
02:26:00,415 --> 02:26:02,605
Thank you Clerk Lawrence. Any questions?

2941
02:26:02,605 --> 02:26:06,445
Trustee Van Bruen? No, none. Clerk Trustee Paver?

2942
02:26:06,465 --> 02:26:07,965
No comment. Treasurer Bloomfield,

2943
02:26:07,985 --> 02:26:10,765
any comments from the PC angle?

2944
02:26:12,235 --> 02:26:15,965
Yeah, I was involved with helping do this ordinance

2945
02:26:16,545 --> 02:26:20,845
and it should have been done long

2946
02:26:20,845 --> 02:26:22,725
before we passed the R one C.

2947
02:26:23,485 --> 02:26:25,365
I think the previous

2948
02:26:26,205 --> 02:26:28,005
Planning Commission really missed the boat on that,

2949
02:26:28,865 --> 02:26:32,125
so I was excited to be part of this and move it forward.

2950
02:26:32,345 --> 02:26:34,965
So yeah, this is a good thing for our township.

2951
02:26:35,655 --> 02:26:37,645
Thank you. Treasurer Bloomfield. Trustee Amos.

2952
02:26:39,645 --> 02:26:43,285
I agree that it's a, it should be done.

2953
02:26:44,275 --> 02:26:47,405
Trustee Hart. No comment. Thank you.

2954
02:26:47,525 --> 02:26:49,245
I watched the Planning Commission work on this

2955
02:26:49,465 --> 02:26:50,885
and it was, it was great.

2956
02:26:50,985 --> 02:26:52,725
It was great to see that they were excited

2957
02:26:52,725 --> 02:26:53,805
to work on something like this

2958
02:26:53,825 --> 02:26:56,005
and put a little spin on creativity.

2959
02:26:56,305 --> 02:26:58,845
We did pass it at the township board for the first reading,

2960
02:26:59,145 --> 02:27:01,125
and I'm in full support for second reading,

2961
02:27:01,265 --> 02:27:04,525
so I would be looking for a motion for the PUD ordinance.

2962
02:27:04,525 --> 02:27:05,605
Number 5 71.

2963
02:27:12,085 --> 02:27:15,605
I move that we accept PUD ordinance

2964
02:27:15,605 --> 02:27:17,245
5 71 for the second reading

2965
02:27:17,995 --> 02:27:21,285
Support motion made by Clerk Lawrence, supported by

2966
02:27:21,835 --> 02:27:23,405
Trustee Van Bruen.

2967
02:27:23,715 --> 02:27:24,715
Roll call vote

2968
02:27:26,895 --> 02:27:27,895
Supervisor Martin?

2969
02:27:28,265 --> 02:27:31,565
Yes. Treasurer Bloomfield? Yes. Trustee Paver? Yes.

2970
02:27:31,795 --> 02:27:34,845
Trustee Van Bruen. Yes. Clerk Lawrence. Yes.

2971
02:27:34,845 --> 02:27:37,485
Trustee Amos. Yes. Trustee Hart? Yes.

2972
02:27:38,545 --> 02:27:40,685
Motion passes moving along

2973
02:27:40,685 --> 02:27:43,165
to trespassing ordinance number 5 72.

2974
02:27:43,865 --> 02:27:46,245
So months ago and

2975
02:27:46,265 --> 02:27:48,365
and beyond that we developed a,

2976
02:27:48,485 --> 02:27:50,645
a homeless committee at the direction

2977
02:27:50,745 --> 02:27:54,245
of our ordinance officer that had made indication

2978
02:27:54,435 --> 02:27:58,525
that the township was not able to trespass individuals

2979
02:27:59,065 --> 02:28:00,565
on public land.

2980
02:28:01,475 --> 02:28:04,365
Basically, if somebody were, let's use an example,

2981
02:28:04,805 --> 02:28:06,405
somebody were at the park with a machete

2982
02:28:06,755 --> 02:28:09,125
perhaps having an issue.

2983
02:28:10,705 --> 02:28:15,045
Pretty much it was, it was a homeless committee,

2984
02:28:16,065 --> 02:28:19,525
but the trespassing ordinance is not just limited to that.

2985
02:28:19,945 --> 02:28:24,525
But what brought it up was the, the legal liability

2986
02:28:24,625 --> 02:28:27,085
of an individual having belongings

2987
02:28:27,465 --> 02:28:29,405
and then somebody just taking their belongings.

2988
02:28:29,405 --> 02:28:31,485
You can't do that, you have to put a notice on there.

2989
02:28:31,785 --> 02:28:34,205
The conversation of homeless encampments came about

2990
02:28:34,545 --> 02:28:36,845
and that, you know, throughout the county, it,

2991
02:28:36,875 --> 02:28:38,325
it's a topic of concern.

2992
02:28:39,145 --> 02:28:41,685
So what we did was we developed a homeless committee

2993
02:28:41,905 --> 02:28:45,005
and we wanted to put some sort of provisions

2994
02:28:45,005 --> 02:28:48,045
because at the time, most of the problem

2995
02:28:48,435 --> 02:28:52,045
that the ordinance officer was experiencing a gap in

2996
02:28:52,285 --> 02:28:54,765
communication with the sheriff's department was if somebody

2997
02:28:54,765 --> 02:28:56,925
was unhoused and they were at the park

2998
02:28:57,545 --> 02:29:00,725
and they were doing something they were not supposed to do,

2999
02:29:01,075 --> 02:29:02,365
they would be asked to leave.

3000
02:29:04,465 --> 02:29:06,725
The sheriff's department wasn't really recognizing

3001
02:29:06,725 --> 02:29:09,045
where the ordinance officer was coming from at the time.

3002
02:29:09,505 --> 02:29:10,965
So we developed a committee,

3003
02:29:11,145 --> 02:29:13,205
and the committee was to have some rules

3004
02:29:13,265 --> 02:29:16,805
and some accountability, some mechanisms for enforcement,

3005
02:29:16,905 --> 02:29:20,005
for the ordinances, for the police in order

3006
02:29:20,185 --> 02:29:21,805
to recognize our ordinances.

3007
02:29:22,185 --> 02:29:25,605
But then at the other end of it, to develop some solutions

3008
02:29:25,865 --> 02:29:27,205
to provide a Rolodex

3009
02:29:27,545 --> 02:29:29,805
to the ordinance officer in the instance

3010
02:29:29,805 --> 02:29:32,645
that he tells somebody, you know, Hey, you can't be here.

3011
02:29:32,905 --> 02:29:34,205
You know, if if you don't,

3012
02:29:34,265 --> 02:29:35,685
if you don't leave, you need to go.

3013
02:29:36,385 --> 02:29:38,045
If you don't leave and you refuse to leave,

3014
02:29:38,045 --> 02:29:39,165
you could be trespassed.

3015
02:29:39,385 --> 02:29:41,805
And so what Attorney Thaw had recommended in order

3016
02:29:41,825 --> 02:29:46,405
for the ordinance to have a mechanism for enforcement,

3017
02:29:46,405 --> 02:29:49,445
instead of giving 'em a a CA civil infraction

3018
02:29:49,465 --> 02:29:52,005
and a ticket that they would likely crumble up

3019
02:29:52,005 --> 02:29:54,885
and throw in the dumpster, perhaps not pay, would be,

3020
02:29:55,785 --> 02:29:57,645
it would be a misdemeanor violation.

3021
02:29:57,995 --> 02:30:00,005
Obviously the township doesn't wanna go

3022
02:30:00,005 --> 02:30:02,045
around dishing out misdemeanor penalties,

3023
02:30:02,065 --> 02:30:03,885
but it was just on the back end

3024
02:30:04,065 --> 02:30:07,485
of there are some enforcement mechanisms in the ordinance

3025
02:30:08,705 --> 02:30:13,005
and by an overwhelming support of the majority of

3026
02:30:13,105 --> 02:30:16,805
of the committee, they're bringing forth a recommendation to

3027
02:30:17,105 --> 02:30:18,805
for approval to the township board.

3028
02:30:19,105 --> 02:30:22,205
And I'll let Attorney thaw talk about the trespass from both

3029
02:30:22,205 --> 02:30:25,045
private and public land in just this ordinance

3030
02:30:25,365 --> 02:30:26,405
from a legal standpoint.

3031
02:30:27,155 --> 02:30:29,165
Yeah. So when we looked at this issue,

3032
02:30:29,385 --> 02:30:31,245
the township really did not have a

3033
02:30:31,245 --> 02:30:32,445
general trespass ordinance.

3034
02:30:32,465 --> 02:30:34,685
You had a, a old trespass ordinance

3035
02:30:34,875 --> 02:30:37,125
that only addressed if you trespass in a vehicle.

3036
02:30:37,545 --> 02:30:41,645
That's it. So you did not have any local option.

3037
02:30:41,645 --> 02:30:42,725
There's state law on it,

3038
02:30:42,985 --> 02:30:45,165
but you had to have nothing for your ordinance enforcement

3039
02:30:45,165 --> 02:30:48,325
officer to enforce or nothing locally, you know, to

3040
02:30:49,015 --> 02:30:51,645
guide the sheriff's department or, or,

3041
02:30:51,665 --> 02:30:53,525
or police in enforcement.

3042
02:30:53,705 --> 02:30:57,165
So what I tried to do is develop some general

3043
02:30:58,045 --> 02:30:59,565
prohibition on trespassing,

3044
02:30:59,565 --> 02:31:01,325
some general provisions that you should have.

3045
02:31:02,185 --> 02:31:04,605
And then also a prohibition on camping,

3046
02:31:04,605 --> 02:31:05,645
on township property.

3047
02:31:05,705 --> 02:31:07,485
So like you could have in the park

3048
02:31:07,705 --> 02:31:09,805
or along the river bed, you know,

3049
02:31:10,525 --> 02:31:12,725
somebody could be out there and this

3050
02:31:13,425 --> 02:31:15,245
new ordinance would allow you to go out there

3051
02:31:15,465 --> 02:31:18,645
and you know, you're always gonna wanna, first,

3052
02:31:19,425 --> 02:31:21,205
you're not just gonna walk up and arrest people.

3053
02:31:21,205 --> 02:31:24,045
You're gonna, you're gonna approach them, tell them

3054
02:31:24,045 --> 02:31:25,085
what the law is on it,

3055
02:31:25,425 --> 02:31:28,005
and if they need help, they're, they're supposed to try

3056
02:31:28,005 --> 02:31:29,765
to get you to wherever, you know,

3057
02:31:30,085 --> 02:31:33,005
whatever help they can provide for you, they can,

3058
02:31:33,035 --> 02:31:34,485
they would ask you to leave

3059
02:31:34,745 --> 02:31:36,645
and not be camping on that property.

3060
02:31:36,985 --> 02:31:39,165
And ultimately if you refuse to do that,

3061
02:31:39,395 --> 02:31:42,445
then they would have the authority to arrest you

3062
02:31:42,465 --> 02:31:43,885
as a misdemeanor violation.

3063
02:31:44,425 --> 02:31:48,485
And, and as Supervisor Martin indicated,

3064
02:31:48,755 --> 02:31:51,925
it's really important to have that final authority.

3065
02:31:51,995 --> 02:31:54,685
It's not that you're just gonna go around arresting people,

3066
02:31:55,025 --> 02:31:58,045
but if all it is is municipal civil infraction,

3067
02:31:58,045 --> 02:32:00,165
you have no ability to actually move the

3068
02:32:00,165 --> 02:32:01,485
person from where they're at.

3069
02:32:01,515 --> 02:32:02,605
They can just take a fine

3070
02:32:02,625 --> 02:32:04,165
and you could write 'em another ticket

3071
02:32:04,225 --> 02:32:05,485
and another ticket, another ticket.

3072
02:32:05,585 --> 02:32:07,845
But they don't have to actually abide by anything.

3073
02:32:09,065 --> 02:32:10,245
And so the,

3074
02:32:10,425 --> 02:32:14,125
the misdemeanor violation authority gives you the authority,

3075
02:32:14,125 --> 02:32:16,685
gives the police authority, the ordinance officer authority

3076
02:32:17,105 --> 02:32:19,125
to actually implement

3077
02:32:19,225 --> 02:32:22,085
and make sure that, that they are trespassing,

3078
02:32:22,085 --> 02:32:24,805
that they do leave where they're being trespassed from.

3079
02:32:26,295 --> 02:32:28,245
Thank you attorney Paul. And it does, and I would just,

3080
02:32:28,305 --> 02:32:30,165
and it does require that they be trespassed.

3081
02:32:30,165 --> 02:32:34,525
First you have to indicate that you know, you're trespassing

3082
02:32:34,525 --> 02:32:36,205
before they're not just gonna walk up and,

3083
02:32:36,465 --> 02:32:38,325
and arrest you for being on the property.

3084
02:32:39,025 --> 02:32:41,325
And then as far as like an internal policy

3085
02:32:41,545 --> 02:32:42,765
for our ordinance officer

3086
02:32:42,905 --> 02:32:46,845
and for our sheriff's department, we can set forth a a,

3087
02:32:47,065 --> 02:32:48,645
we can run it by the committee.

3088
02:32:48,905 --> 02:32:52,325
The township board would ultimately have the final say in,

3089
02:32:52,625 --> 02:32:56,605
in conduct of how we would treat and approach people.

3090
02:32:57,185 --> 02:32:58,365
And, and can you speak to that?

3091
02:32:58,435 --> 02:33:01,085
Yeah. So, sure. So this is part of the part of it.

3092
02:33:01,085 --> 02:33:02,685
So this is up for first reading tonight.

3093
02:33:03,035 --> 02:33:05,125
When you come back for your next meeting, I'll try

3094
02:33:05,125 --> 02:33:06,445
to have a policy also.

3095
02:33:06,585 --> 02:33:08,205
So when it comes up for adoption

3096
02:33:08,905 --> 02:33:11,365
and for a new board members, you have to,

3097
02:33:11,625 --> 02:33:13,925
unless it's an emergency, you have have

3098
02:33:13,925 --> 02:33:17,005
to have two readings, what ordinance to adopt it.

3099
02:33:17,105 --> 02:33:18,125
So you have first read

3100
02:33:18,125 --> 02:33:21,565
and then the, the second is where you adopt the ordinance.

3101
02:33:21,625 --> 02:33:24,125
So unless it's an emergency, you have to do it that way.

3102
02:33:24,305 --> 02:33:26,125
So when this comes back, if you approve it

3103
02:33:26,145 --> 02:33:28,285
for first read tonight, it'll come back

3104
02:33:28,285 --> 02:33:30,005
to your next meeting for adoption.

3105
02:33:30,625 --> 02:33:33,125
And then at that meeting, I would have some policy,

3106
02:33:33,325 --> 02:33:36,685
I would've a policy available for you to review also with

3107
02:33:36,985 --> 02:33:39,765
how our ordinance enforcement officer would interact with

3108
02:33:40,465 --> 02:33:42,005
people who are trespassing.

3109
02:33:42,185 --> 02:33:46,925
And then also, you know, it would help guide the

3110
02:33:47,525 --> 02:33:49,365
sheriff's department when they're enforcing.

3111
02:33:50,345 --> 02:33:52,205
And I would review that document both

3112
02:33:52,235 --> 02:33:54,605
with the ordinance officer and the sheriff's department

3113
02:33:54,665 --> 02:33:56,845
and just have an understanding this is the

3114
02:33:56,845 --> 02:33:57,925
way that we approach things.

3115
02:33:58,025 --> 02:34:00,845
We don't wanna escalate it to the furthest extent just

3116
02:34:00,845 --> 02:34:03,285
because we can, we wanna work with people in order

3117
02:34:03,305 --> 02:34:04,485
to move things along

3118
02:34:04,985 --> 02:34:06,245
And get 'em help if they need help.

3119
02:34:06,315 --> 02:34:09,845
Yeah. And point them in a direction for resources

3120
02:34:10,345 --> 02:34:12,165
and Yeah.

3121
02:34:12,165 --> 02:34:14,205
By a majority of the homeless committee is making

3122
02:34:14,205 --> 02:34:15,365
recommendation for approval.

3123
02:34:15,865 --> 02:34:18,285
If there are no further questions or any questions,

3124
02:34:18,765 --> 02:34:20,925
I do have one for attorney hall.

3125
02:34:21,335 --> 02:34:24,725
Under the camping definition, in the event

3126
02:34:24,725 --> 02:34:27,085
of a natural disaster, a tornado or

3127
02:34:27,085 --> 02:34:32,045
otherwise, people may be forced to camp on their property

3128
02:34:32,825 --> 02:34:34,925
in that, how would that be handled?

3129
02:34:35,825 --> 02:34:38,365
So, and or do we need additional wording regarding that?

3130
02:34:38,705 --> 02:34:41,445
So the camping provision is for,

3131
02:34:42,705 --> 02:34:45,525
it would be on public property, so not their own property.

3132
02:34:45,755 --> 02:34:47,725
Only if it is on public property

3133
02:34:48,305 --> 02:34:51,405
and it, we can designate, you know, when I,

3134
02:34:51,445 --> 02:34:54,445
I think it even has a, a provision in here

3135
02:34:56,515 --> 02:34:59,325
that talks about that emergency.

3136
02:34:59,345 --> 02:35:02,045
So the prohibition does not apply to emergency situations

3137
02:35:02,065 --> 02:35:03,525
as determined by law enforcement

3138
02:35:03,525 --> 02:35:05,485
or other authorized township personnel.

3139
02:35:05,785 --> 02:35:09,405
So you could allow actually, if the emergency occurred,

3140
02:35:09,465 --> 02:35:11,685
you could allow for Okay.

3141
02:35:12,675 --> 02:35:14,885
Camping on township property if need be.

3142
02:35:17,425 --> 02:35:19,565
Any further questions? It does.

3143
02:35:20,515 --> 02:35:22,885
Trustee Amos? No. Clerk Lawrence

3144
02:35:23,755 --> 02:35:24,755
None.

3145
02:35:24,755 --> 02:35:27,325
Treasurer Bloomfield? No. Trustee Paver? No.

3146
02:35:27,325 --> 02:35:28,965
And we wouldn't necessarily have to designate

3147
02:35:29,035 --> 02:35:30,725
that specifically that we allow.

3148
02:35:30,725 --> 02:35:32,565
It just, we just wouldn't enforce it at

3149
02:35:32,565 --> 02:35:34,365
that time. If there was an

3150
02:35:34,365 --> 02:35:35,365
Emergency.

3151
02:35:35,365 --> 02:35:38,365
If there's an emergency, it probably would be the, we would,

3152
02:35:39,355 --> 02:35:40,565
We'd say there's an emergency.

3153
02:35:40,745 --> 02:35:41,685
The township would probably

3154
02:35:41,805 --> 02:35:43,525
announce that there's an emergency. I mean, and

3155
02:35:43,525 --> 02:35:45,965
That's ENT Staff level and maybe even offer up

3156
02:35:45,965 --> 02:35:48,005
township property if people need it. If people needed

3157
02:35:48,005 --> 02:35:49,005
It.

3158
02:35:49,005 --> 02:35:50,445
Okay. Trustee Van Bruen.

3159
02:35:50,665 --> 02:35:54,045
So does this cover like protesting

3160
02:35:54,475 --> 02:35:56,485
sit-ins, anything like that too? I

3161
02:35:56,485 --> 02:35:58,645
Mean the, well just outta curiosity,

3162
02:35:58,665 --> 02:36:00,845
the First Amendment issues are a lot different, you know?

3163
02:36:00,845 --> 02:36:04,525
Sure. And so that requires a whole nother level of analysis.

3164
02:36:04,555 --> 02:36:09,085
This is more, you know, a trespass, general trespassing.

3165
02:36:09,155 --> 02:36:11,565
Yeah. Like, I'm gonna sleep overnight on this property.

3166
02:36:11,565 --> 02:36:14,365
Yeah, correct. Rather than, there's a lot

3167
02:36:14,365 --> 02:36:15,685
that goes into a consideration

3168
02:36:15,685 --> 02:36:18,205
of whether people can actually go on a property

3169
02:36:18,205 --> 02:36:20,445
and protest if it's a traditional public

3170
02:36:20,445 --> 02:36:22,365
forum and things of that sort. Yeah.

3171
02:36:22,365 --> 02:36:24,525
Just wanted to make sure that was covered. Cool. Thank

3172
02:36:24,525 --> 02:36:25,525
You.

3173
02:36:25,525 --> 02:36:26,285
And the committee, we had differencing

3174
02:36:26,385 --> 02:36:29,645
of a difference in opinions and so we went back and forth.

3175
02:36:29,705 --> 02:36:30,725
So I just wanna thank the

3176
02:36:30,725 --> 02:36:32,205
committee for the time that they spent.

3177
02:36:32,205 --> 02:36:33,965
We had many meetings trying to work on this.

3178
02:36:34,085 --> 02:36:37,045
I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a sensitive topic

3179
02:36:37,465 --> 02:36:39,725
and it's a real world issue that's out there.

3180
02:36:39,785 --> 02:36:42,765
And I think we, this is an example of coming together

3181
02:36:42,995 --> 02:36:44,645
with difference in opinions

3182
02:36:44,705 --> 02:36:46,445
and putting something forward

3183
02:36:46,555 --> 02:36:48,485
that can help accommodate the township.

3184
02:36:49,535 --> 02:36:51,645
There are no further questions. I'd be looking for a motion.

3185
02:36:52,355 --> 02:36:54,445
I'll make a motion to receive the first reading

3186
02:36:54,445 --> 02:36:56,285
for trespassing ordinance 5 7 2

3187
02:36:57,675 --> 02:37:00,525
Support Motion made by Trustee Paver,

3188
02:37:00,525 --> 02:37:01,885
supported by Treasurer Bloomfield.

3189
02:37:01,885 --> 02:37:02,885
Roll call vote.

3190
02:37:05,555 --> 02:37:07,245
Trustee Hart? Yes.

3191
02:37:08,215 --> 02:37:09,765
Supervisor Martin. Yes.

3192
02:37:10,915 --> 02:37:12,565
Trustee Van Bruen. Yes.

3193
02:37:13,765 --> 02:37:15,765
Treasurer Bloomfield? Yes. Trustee Paver?

3194
02:37:15,905 --> 02:37:19,205
Yes. Trustee Amos. Yes. Clerk Lawrence. Yes.

3195
02:37:20,425 --> 02:37:22,365
Motion passes. Thank you Attorney

3196
02:37:22,365 --> 02:37:23,605
Thaul for the help on this.

3197
02:37:24,185 --> 02:37:27,205
Moving along to the Eagle Grant Award attended use,

3198
02:37:27,495 --> 02:37:29,005
discussion and action.

3199
02:37:29,875 --> 02:37:30,885
Trustee Paver.

3200
02:37:34,965 --> 02:37:38,525
I think that this is something that aligns with, you know,

3201
02:37:38,525 --> 02:37:40,365
the general consensus, you know,

3202
02:37:40,365 --> 02:37:41,925
people having the concerns about the best.

3203
02:37:42,825 --> 02:37:46,325
And I think that part of this grant

3204
02:37:46,325 --> 02:37:48,325
and us being receiving the grant

3205
02:37:48,345 --> 02:37:50,645
and then being able to, to, to have the discussion.

3206
02:37:50,805 --> 02:37:53,445
I think that the community,

3207
02:37:53,885 --> 02:37:55,765
I can see the community's concern

3208
02:37:55,785 --> 02:37:57,845
and I've seen the community's concern online.

3209
02:37:58,545 --> 02:38:01,485
And I as a person have been involved

3210
02:38:02,545 --> 02:38:03,685
for over 15 months.

3211
02:38:04,305 --> 02:38:07,085
Not just here in Comstock, but all over the county.

3212
02:38:07,525 --> 02:38:11,405
I have gone to Pavilion, I've gone to tmo, I've gone

3213
02:38:11,405 --> 02:38:14,205
to Brady, I've gone to Portage.

3214
02:38:14,925 --> 02:38:18,405
I have literally been everywhere helping organize people

3215
02:38:18,465 --> 02:38:19,885
and educating people and under

3216
02:38:19,985 --> 02:38:23,925
and helping people understand not only just the

3217
02:38:24,875 --> 02:38:26,245
harm or potential harm

3218
02:38:26,475 --> 02:38:28,485
because there's always harm with any industry,

3219
02:38:30,025 --> 02:38:34,285
but that these things, whether we necessarily like them

3220
02:38:34,285 --> 02:38:37,325
or not, much of this has been taken out of our control.

3221
02:38:37,905 --> 02:38:41,485
And so the decisions that were made with this happened long

3222
02:38:41,485 --> 02:38:44,285
before now e even 15 months ago, which is initially

3223
02:38:44,285 --> 02:38:45,685
what brought me even to Comstock.

3224
02:38:47,485 --> 02:38:51,525
I was begging people to come and, and come and show up.

3225
02:38:51,655 --> 02:38:54,125
There were meetings where there was only four of us,

3226
02:38:54,805 --> 02:38:56,325
there were meetings about data centers

3227
02:38:57,135 --> 02:38:58,765
where there was only four of us here.

3228
02:38:59,145 --> 02:39:03,805
And fortunately that Comstock Township

3229
02:39:04,745 --> 02:39:06,125
should be thankful that

3230
02:39:06,695 --> 02:39:09,685
there are probably all four people in the entire county have

3231
02:39:09,715 --> 02:39:10,965
that have been so vigilant.

3232
02:39:11,505 --> 02:39:14,725
One of 'em is Robin, one of 'em is Supervisor Martin,

3233
02:39:14,865 --> 02:39:16,925
the other one is myself, the other one is Bill Farmer

3234
02:39:17,105 --> 02:39:19,605
and the other one is Kaitlyn, forgive me,

3235
02:39:19,615 --> 02:39:21,085
she's probably watching, I forgot her last name.

3236
02:39:21,525 --> 02:39:24,125
I, and then Katie Schneider out in TMO

3237
02:39:24,605 --> 02:39:26,125
where they have another best and,

3238
02:39:26,185 --> 02:39:30,045
and so, you know, I want to take this time

3239
02:39:30,105 --> 02:39:31,445
to assure the community

3240
02:39:31,445 --> 02:39:33,365
that this is not something that we take lightly.

3241
02:39:33,365 --> 02:39:36,365
And in fact, I had a rather long diatribe,

3242
02:39:36,365 --> 02:39:38,165
it was only three minutes because I was on the other side

3243
02:39:38,165 --> 02:39:41,605
of this that I have a lot of concerns.

3244
02:39:41,705 --> 02:39:43,645
And a lot of my concerns were

3245
02:39:44,265 --> 02:39:45,685
how are we going to respond to this?

3246
02:39:45,935 --> 02:39:49,445
There was an incident even in Decatur on the Decatur exit

3247
02:39:49,445 --> 02:39:51,605
where there's a FedEx truck and had lithium ion batteries

3248
02:39:51,605 --> 02:39:52,805
and they had to let it go.

3249
02:39:53,745 --> 02:39:55,125
And I read that

3250
02:39:55,385 --> 02:39:59,165
and I thought, what those people are sitting out there

3251
02:39:59,515 --> 02:40:00,765
with the toxic fumes.

3252
02:40:01,395 --> 02:40:04,405
What that tells me is, is that those, regardless

3253
02:40:04,425 --> 02:40:06,045
of whether we agree with the technology

3254
02:40:06,185 --> 02:40:08,325
or not, it is something that we have to be prepared for

3255
02:40:08,325 --> 02:40:09,485
because it is not something

3256
02:40:09,485 --> 02:40:12,485
that even the states are necessarily being decided.

3257
02:40:12,545 --> 02:40:14,645
It is getting pushed from the federal government.

3258
02:40:15,185 --> 02:40:17,885
The president is initiating an AI task force.

3259
02:40:18,305 --> 02:40:22,925
And so this is something that is a part, a large part

3260
02:40:23,305 --> 02:40:24,525
of the GDP of the country.

3261
02:40:24,705 --> 02:40:26,205
And it is not something that will slow down.

3262
02:40:26,225 --> 02:40:29,045
But what we can do and what Supervisor, Supervisor Martin

3263
02:40:30,945 --> 02:40:33,565
has done for the community, I don't think that a lot

3264
02:40:33,565 --> 02:40:38,125
of people ha are aware that he set up the moratorium,

3265
02:40:38,435 --> 02:40:40,005
that he set up the police protection.

3266
02:40:40,205 --> 02:40:41,965
A lot of that was done with the assistance

3267
02:40:41,965 --> 02:40:43,765
of former attorney Kaufman

3268
02:40:45,065 --> 02:40:48,325
and attorney THS firm.

3269
02:40:49,305 --> 02:40:50,885
We are, and,

3270
02:40:50,945 --> 02:40:53,245
and everyone should be very grateful

3271
02:40:53,555 --> 02:40:55,245
that we have such knowledgeable

3272
02:40:56,665 --> 02:41:00,485
and experienced individuals that are able to assist us

3273
02:41:01,465 --> 02:41:03,165
in helping us protect the community.

3274
02:41:03,165 --> 02:41:05,405
And regardless of whether or not that we like this

3275
02:41:06,095 --> 02:41:08,965
Supervisor Martin did

3276
02:41:09,225 --> 02:41:12,405
and got the community a deal and,

3277
02:41:12,425 --> 02:41:16,765
and got us a a, a very large amount of concessions that and,

3278
02:41:16,945 --> 02:41:20,645
and attorney tha can hopefully explain some more

3279
02:41:21,115 --> 02:41:23,645
that not very many communities have received.

3280
02:41:24,115 --> 02:41:26,605
Many communities would love to have received The concessions

3281
02:41:26,605 --> 02:41:30,325
that we have received, many of the decisions, again,

3282
02:41:30,595 --> 02:41:31,845
were made prior to now.

3283
02:41:31,845 --> 02:41:34,445
This has been something that if John Hawley was here,

3284
02:41:34,465 --> 02:41:36,925
he would sit here and tell you that this started

3285
02:41:37,645 --> 02:41:41,525
a long time ago when consumers built

3286
02:41:41,715 --> 02:41:43,565
that station right across from him.

3287
02:41:43,825 --> 02:41:47,445
And so this has been in the works for a very long time.

3288
02:41:48,785 --> 02:41:49,845
And, and whether

3289
02:41:49,865 --> 02:41:52,845
or not, again, this is not something that we take lightly.

3290
02:41:52,875 --> 02:41:55,685
This is not something that, you know,

3291
02:41:55,685 --> 02:41:57,325
necessarily all of us agree in.

3292
02:41:57,785 --> 02:41:59,445
And a lot of us,

3293
02:42:00,225 --> 02:42:03,005
and this is why we have such strong support

3294
02:42:03,985 --> 02:42:05,365
for the first responders,

3295
02:42:05,365 --> 02:42:08,245
because these are the people that we need to be there.

3296
02:42:08,275 --> 02:42:10,605
They need to be trained, they need to be heavily educated.

3297
02:42:10,985 --> 02:42:12,085
We want them to be able

3298
02:42:12,085 --> 02:42:14,805
to put on N95 masks on small children

3299
02:42:15,035 --> 02:42:16,725
because this is what will, will be required

3300
02:42:17,425 --> 02:42:20,365
if such an event, knock on the wood.

3301
02:42:20,705 --> 02:42:24,125
It does not happen. But we have to be prepared for it.

3302
02:42:24,465 --> 02:42:28,245
And so, you know, this is something that it, it,

3303
02:42:28,245 --> 02:42:30,405
it's not something that we can stop the Planning Commission.

3304
02:42:30,425 --> 02:42:31,765
You know, I see the comments online

3305
02:42:31,825 --> 02:42:33,765
of people saying these things.

3306
02:42:33,945 --> 02:42:35,525
It it's the Planning Commission

3307
02:42:35,955 --> 02:42:37,765
because of the type of business that it is.

3308
02:42:37,985 --> 02:42:39,805
It is, it, it's a valid business.

3309
02:42:39,865 --> 02:42:42,525
And so the Planning Commission cannot just go ahead

3310
02:42:42,945 --> 02:42:44,805
and say, we don't want this

3311
02:42:44,805 --> 02:42:47,405
because the Planning Commission cannot just decide.

3312
02:42:47,465 --> 02:42:49,645
The township cannot decide that we don't just want business.

3313
02:42:49,905 --> 02:42:51,045
We have to allow the business,

3314
02:42:51,075 --> 02:42:52,645
otherwise the township can be sued

3315
02:42:52,645 --> 02:42:56,285
and it becomes such far more headache than just trying

3316
02:42:56,285 --> 02:42:58,005
to say that we don't want it.

3317
02:42:58,025 --> 02:43:00,805
And then everybody would be upset that we now have,

3318
02:43:01,625 --> 02:43:05,645
you know, a lawsuit that we wouldn't be able to fight it.

3319
02:43:05,665 --> 02:43:07,445
And, and that's the reality of it.

3320
02:43:07,545 --> 02:43:10,765
And so, you know, I want to take this time

3321
02:43:11,225 --> 02:43:13,805
to assure the community that we are doing as much

3322
02:43:13,805 --> 02:43:16,285
as we possibly can, that there are decisions

3323
02:43:16,285 --> 02:43:17,565
that have made prior to this.

3324
02:43:18,185 --> 02:43:21,485
We don't, I think it's, it's, it's a poor use of our time to

3325
02:43:22,035 --> 02:43:24,285
commiserate on what people did prior to us.

3326
02:43:24,385 --> 02:43:25,925
We have to deal with the future. We have to deal

3327
02:43:25,925 --> 02:43:27,085
with how we are going to move forward.

3328
02:43:27,085 --> 02:43:29,325
We have to deal with how we would protect the citizens,

3329
02:43:29,825 --> 02:43:31,805
not just the current ones, but the future ones as well.

3330
02:43:32,465 --> 02:43:34,925
And that goes along with us

3331
02:43:36,705 --> 02:43:39,965
now moving forward and, and attempting to be good neighbors

3332
02:43:39,965 --> 02:43:41,405
and making the best of a situation

3333
02:43:42,235 --> 02:43:44,965
because it it, it's not gonna behoove either of us to sit

3334
02:43:45,665 --> 02:43:47,525
and and try to, to fight it.

3335
02:43:47,605 --> 02:43:50,125
There's nothing else really at this point that we can do.

3336
02:43:50,705 --> 02:43:54,725
We have done, I would say again, far more than

3337
02:43:55,275 --> 02:43:57,445
what any other community has gotten.

3338
02:43:58,785 --> 02:44:00,965
Now the data center is something totally different.

3339
02:44:01,105 --> 02:44:04,685
We have a lot more tool sets that we can utilize than

3340
02:44:04,685 --> 02:44:06,725
what we can with the best right now.

3341
02:44:07,305 --> 02:44:10,965
And so that's why I would encourage all months ago,

3342
02:44:11,235 --> 02:44:13,445
gave a presentation on data centers.

3343
02:44:13,685 --> 02:44:15,325
I would continue to encourage everybody

3344
02:44:15,345 --> 02:44:16,365
to educate themselves

3345
02:44:17,385 --> 02:44:20,005
and to continue to come up and speak your mind.

3346
02:44:20,235 --> 02:44:22,285
That is why we changed the, the citizen's reading

3347
02:44:22,395 --> 02:44:26,845
because whether we agree with the, what the words come out

3348
02:44:26,845 --> 02:44:28,125
of people's mouth or the delivery

3349
02:44:28,155 --> 02:44:29,445
that is not up to us to side.

3350
02:44:29,665 --> 02:44:33,365
Not everybody is articulate, but people have concerns.

3351
02:44:33,365 --> 02:44:34,365
Those concerns are valid.

3352
02:44:34,945 --> 02:44:37,605
And as our job as servants,

3353
02:44:37,895 --> 02:44:39,165
we're here to serve and we're here to listen.

3354
02:44:40,425 --> 02:44:43,365
And so if, if Attorney Thal can can speak

3355
02:44:43,365 --> 02:44:45,845
to a little bit about the concessions that we received,

3356
02:44:46,565 --> 02:44:48,805
I I think it would help out the community's understanding.

3357
02:44:50,195 --> 02:44:51,645
Well thanks John and those are

3358
02:44:52,305 --> 02:44:53,965
really good comments that you made.

3359
02:44:54,345 --> 02:44:58,925
And with regard to the best proposal

3360
02:44:59,945 --> 02:45:04,445
and public act 2 33, the developer could go to the state,

3361
02:45:04,445 --> 02:45:06,485
they could have gone to the state anytime if you devote,

3362
02:45:06,555 --> 02:45:08,485
even if you put it in a moratorium, they can go

3363
02:45:08,485 --> 02:45:12,605
to the state, they can go to the state of Michigan

3364
02:45:12,785 --> 02:45:14,245
and the standards in front

3365
02:45:14,245 --> 02:45:16,605
of the state are extremely flimsy and weak.

3366
02:45:17,145 --> 02:45:18,325
And so the standards

3367
02:45:18,325 --> 02:45:20,205
that there's Planning Commission worked on,

3368
02:45:20,465 --> 02:45:22,845
put in much more stringent standards in the state

3369
02:45:22,845 --> 02:45:26,005
of Michigan have that if they went to the state,

3370
02:45:26,395 --> 02:45:28,325
they would only have to comply with these very,

3371
02:45:28,595 --> 02:45:30,765
very limited standards that are in the state statute.

3372
02:45:31,715 --> 02:45:33,325
Your Planning Commission worked really hard

3373
02:45:33,425 --> 02:45:36,045
for well over a year on language to

3374
02:45:36,945 --> 02:45:38,405
better protect the township.

3375
02:45:38,665 --> 02:45:39,925
Far better than the state.

3376
02:45:40,295 --> 02:45:41,885
State law protects the township,

3377
02:45:42,275 --> 02:45:44,125
including pushing the property back.

3378
02:45:44,185 --> 02:45:45,405
One of the big concessions was

3379
02:45:45,405 --> 02:45:47,285
to push it away from the school.

3380
02:45:47,355 --> 02:45:49,085
They wanted to put it on the property,

3381
02:45:49,445 --> 02:45:52,125
neighboring the school, the Planning Commission came up

3382
02:45:52,125 --> 02:45:54,125
with a sensitive area restriction

3383
02:45:54,145 --> 02:45:57,685
and they had to push it 2000 feet away from any sensitive

3384
02:45:57,685 --> 02:45:59,205
area under the ordinance from

3385
02:45:59,205 --> 02:46:00,245
The original 500.

3386
02:46:00,675 --> 02:46:02,485
Yeah, I mean, which Is what it was gonna be. It went

3387
02:46:02,555 --> 02:46:04,965
Well and under the state law it can be 300, which is

3388
02:46:04,965 --> 02:46:05,965
Even Yeah, yeah.

3389
02:46:05,965 --> 02:46:09,445
So we, we went from 500 feet to 2000 feet all by

3390
02:46:09,955 --> 02:46:12,365
getting the moratorium committee and the police protection.

3391
02:46:12,545 --> 02:46:16,205
And so while it took long that's a huge,

3392
02:46:16,345 --> 02:46:17,345
That's a huge change.

3393
02:46:17,345 --> 02:46:20,485
Well and then also things like sound from the state law,

3394
02:46:20,485 --> 02:46:23,205
it's the sound levels are measured from the building,

3395
02:46:23,425 --> 02:46:25,045
the the neighboring property owner.

3396
02:46:25,145 --> 02:46:27,965
So you take a house that's nearby, you would,

3397
02:46:27,995 --> 02:46:31,525
they would be able to be loud to a certain degree to the

3398
02:46:32,165 --> 02:46:34,845
property owner's home, not to the property

3399
02:46:34,845 --> 02:46:35,845
Line.

3400
02:46:35,845 --> 02:46:36,845
So forget your backyard, right? Yeah, exactly.

3401
02:46:37,085 --> 02:46:38,805
'cause your backyard is in that noise barrier.

3402
02:46:38,865 --> 02:46:42,645
So we were very, you know, we took that into consideration

3403
02:46:42,645 --> 02:46:45,125
and we forced the sound levels to be at the property line.

3404
02:46:45,225 --> 02:46:47,725
We felt that's the appropriate, you don't have the,

3405
02:46:48,305 --> 02:46:51,245
Can you please stop talking like it's so rude.

3406
02:46:51,695 --> 02:46:53,885
We're up here handling township business

3407
02:46:54,305 --> 02:46:56,365
and you're just back there talking.

3408
02:46:56,625 --> 02:47:00,405
It is rude. That's beyond rude. It's beyond rude.

3409
02:47:00,555 --> 02:47:02,525
It's nothing but lie. You said that stop.

3410
02:47:02,545 --> 02:47:06,365
You can leave now if you'd like. I'll thank

3411
02:47:06,365 --> 02:47:07,365
You.

3412
02:47:07,365 --> 02:47:08,805
And what I did say is they could go to the state,

3413
02:47:09,105 --> 02:47:12,725
so I mean it's an option under act 2 33 at all times they

3414
02:47:12,725 --> 02:47:14,445
even indicated that they would do a,

3415
02:47:14,515 --> 02:47:17,965
everybody else in there, they would do a, they would do a,

3416
02:47:18,245 --> 02:47:19,405
a track to the state.

3417
02:47:19,405 --> 02:47:20,605
They did not apply to the state.

3418
02:47:21,075 --> 02:47:22,205
I've never said that they did,

3419
02:47:22,345 --> 02:47:24,405
but it's an option under the state law.

3420
02:47:24,665 --> 02:47:26,405
If we were too stringent on our

3421
02:47:26,405 --> 02:47:28,365
restrictions, they could go to the state.

3422
02:47:28,505 --> 02:47:31,405
So the point of the workable ordinance that we did was

3423
02:47:31,405 --> 02:47:34,165
to push them absolutely as far as we could push them

3424
02:47:35,065 --> 02:47:36,645
before they would go just to the state.

3425
02:47:37,105 --> 02:47:38,925
You know, so that's really what we did with all

3426
02:47:38,925 --> 02:47:40,085
of our restrictions there.

3427
02:47:40,315 --> 02:47:43,045
Well more as far more restricted than the state

3428
02:47:43,185 --> 02:47:44,205
law allows for.

3429
02:47:45,105 --> 02:47:47,405
And so it was to push them forward.

3430
02:47:47,425 --> 02:47:49,525
And then there were financial considerations

3431
02:47:49,525 --> 02:47:50,605
that we also got

3432
02:47:50,835 --> 02:47:52,725
that you would not get if they went to the state.

3433
02:47:52,945 --> 02:47:55,445
So if we forced them to state this renewable ready grant,

3434
02:47:55,445 --> 02:47:58,245
we would not receive the renewable ready grant, which is up

3435
02:47:58,245 --> 02:47:59,245
to $2 million.

3436
02:48:01,025 --> 02:48:02,845
You it, you still have to apply for it.

3437
02:48:02,875 --> 02:48:05,805
It's still, it's a grant but there is money available there.

3438
02:48:06,355 --> 02:48:09,685
Plus then there was a negotiated community host agreement

3439
02:48:10,195 --> 02:48:13,285
that far exceeded what you could get under state law.

3440
02:48:13,345 --> 02:48:16,205
So this is gonna under state law, you got one payment

3441
02:48:17,265 --> 02:48:18,885
at one point in time when they

3442
02:48:18,885 --> 02:48:20,205
finish construction and that's it.

3443
02:48:20,595 --> 02:48:23,845
This provides for annual payments that are far in excess of

3444
02:48:23,875 --> 02:48:27,005
what you would've gotten from the one time community host

3445
02:48:27,005 --> 02:48:28,365
agreement through the state of Michigan.

3446
02:48:28,925 --> 02:48:32,525
I think what does it equate to Ben over

3447
02:48:32,525 --> 02:48:34,485
that 20 years is like clerk

3448
02:48:34,485 --> 02:48:35,485
Warrants?

3449
02:48:35,955 --> 02:48:40,205
Well it's a little over $6 million total with 2 million

3450
02:48:40,345 --> 02:48:43,405
of IT eligible for being front loaded.

3451
02:48:43,745 --> 02:48:45,085
And then with the,

3452
02:48:45,315 --> 02:48:48,605
because it's under two separate hookups,

3453
02:48:50,355 --> 02:48:53,445
it's actually 4 million that's gonna be eligible potentially

3454
02:48:53,585 --> 02:48:54,965
for front

3455
02:48:54,965 --> 02:48:55,965
Load up front.

3456
02:48:55,965 --> 02:48:58,125
And if you went to the state, it'd be two thou there,

3457
02:48:58,365 --> 02:49:00,885
a single payment of $2,000 a megawatt.

3458
02:49:00,885 --> 02:49:03,605
We, we also, so you would've gotten, instead of six, oh

3459
02:49:03,625 --> 02:49:04,685
You know, 6.5 million,

3460
02:49:04,745 --> 02:49:08,005
6.5 million, you would've gotten 800,000.

3461
02:49:08,305 --> 02:49:09,605
We also wouldn't be eligible

3462
02:49:09,625 --> 02:49:11,205
for the $2 million Eagle grant.

3463
02:49:11,215 --> 02:49:12,485
Right. If they went to the state.

3464
02:49:12,705 --> 02:49:15,845
So the reason the Eagle Grant eligibility exists is

3465
02:49:15,845 --> 02:49:17,205
because we worked

3466
02:49:17,315 --> 02:49:19,365
with them versus sending them to the state.

3467
02:49:19,365 --> 02:49:22,645
Right. And I I think that there may be a clarifying point on

3468
02:49:24,045 --> 02:49:26,805
a little bit of that outrage of did they go to the state?

3469
02:49:27,315 --> 02:49:29,845
They did, correct me if I'm wrong, Supervisor Martin

3470
02:49:29,865 --> 02:49:32,525
and Attorney Thal submit a letter to you

3471
02:49:33,035 --> 02:49:36,165
that indicated the start of that process. Yeah,

3472
02:49:36,165 --> 02:49:37,405
That's correct. It got FOIA

3473
02:49:37,905 --> 02:49:40,405
And I did have the meeting to meet,

3474
02:49:40,405 --> 02:49:43,365
because that's the first selection in the state site

3475
02:49:43,885 --> 02:49:45,525
selection is they send a letter.

3476
02:49:46,005 --> 02:49:48,365
I have x amount of time to reply.

3477
02:49:48,925 --> 02:49:51,765
I replied, I met with them, they let me know.

3478
02:49:53,065 --> 02:49:55,285
So basically if you wanna reverse engineer it, you go

3479
02:49:55,285 --> 02:49:57,965
to Miso and you look for the interconnection to the grid.

3480
02:49:58,265 --> 02:50:00,685
So no matter where we wanted to put it in the township,

3481
02:50:00,945 --> 02:50:04,685
really the key was where their interconnection point was.

3482
02:50:05,105 --> 02:50:07,405
So for people who are looking at renewable projects

3483
02:50:07,405 --> 02:50:09,525
and they wanna see where the next project is,

3484
02:50:09,715 --> 02:50:13,005
just reverse engineer it, go find the miso grid application.

3485
02:50:13,005 --> 02:50:17,565
And that was likely done, it was like earlier than 2022.

3486
02:50:17,585 --> 02:50:20,365
2020 maybe. So it takes a long time.

3487
02:50:20,665 --> 02:50:22,725
So they had an interconnection point

3488
02:50:22,985 --> 02:50:25,405
and no matter where we were trying to point it

3489
02:50:25,945 --> 02:50:27,525
to go maybe farther away from this

3490
02:50:27,545 --> 02:50:30,725
or that really the ultimate destination was already

3491
02:50:30,725 --> 02:50:32,125
something that they knew about.

3492
02:50:32,545 --> 02:50:35,485
And I believe with a miso interconnection agreement, the,

3493
02:50:35,505 --> 02:50:40,285
the municipality may, you know, they're not privy to that,

3494
02:50:40,385 --> 02:50:42,205
but obviously the infrastructure of where

3495
02:50:42,205 --> 02:50:43,565
that substation goes.

3496
02:50:43,985 --> 02:50:46,925
And so, you know, once that substation was there, there was,

3497
02:50:47,065 --> 02:50:48,925
you know, the wheels on the bus were going long

3498
02:50:48,925 --> 02:50:50,085
before what met the eye.

3499
02:50:51,025 --> 02:50:52,965
And I, I would just say, you know, I've seen a lot

3500
02:50:52,965 --> 02:50:55,325
of ordinances, a lot of projects,

3501
02:50:56,225 --> 02:50:59,885
and this Comstock Township has the,

3502
02:51:00,985 --> 02:51:03,765
the most stringent provisions that I've seen.

3503
02:51:03,945 --> 02:51:05,565
And you got the best benefits

3504
02:51:05,565 --> 02:51:07,405
that I've seen anybody get so far.

3505
02:51:07,925 --> 02:51:10,845
I as far as a Planning Commission, a moratorium committee,

3506
02:51:10,845 --> 02:51:12,805
joint Planning, Commission meeting speakers,

3507
02:51:13,605 --> 02:51:14,765
I think we led the way and we heard

3508
02:51:14,765 --> 02:51:16,125
that from the University of Michigan.

3509
02:51:16,125 --> 02:51:17,285
We've heard it from Eagle.

3510
02:51:17,885 --> 02:51:19,805
People are taking notes from Comstock Township.

3511
02:51:19,825 --> 02:51:21,045
We, we did stand up.

3512
02:51:21,225 --> 02:51:23,925
But what people have to really realize is that the,

3513
02:51:24,025 --> 02:51:26,925
the state law overrides a local body of government.

3514
02:51:27,185 --> 02:51:29,605
So we could have pushed 'em to a certain point.

3515
02:51:29,985 --> 02:51:32,685
It could have been egg on the face 300 feet next

3516
02:51:32,685 --> 02:51:34,645
to the school, 800,000.

3517
02:51:35,065 --> 02:51:36,885
And within that mix up we,

3518
02:51:36,945 --> 02:51:38,965
we did the absolute best that we can.

3519
02:51:39,625 --> 02:51:42,245
And then the zoning enabling act would be when the township

3520
02:51:42,345 --> 02:51:46,965
has an ordinance, the Planning Commission shall, shall

3521
02:51:47,515 --> 02:51:50,325
approve the site plan if it meets reasonable meet

3522
02:51:50,525 --> 02:51:51,645
criteria, standards and criteria.

3523
02:51:51,865 --> 02:51:52,885
And they did just that.

3524
02:51:53,355 --> 02:51:56,045
They took the ordinance that we had,

3525
02:51:56,355 --> 02:51:58,645
they reverse engineered it, they found a parcel,

3526
02:51:59,035 --> 02:52:01,485
they kept it within, you know, a

3527
02:52:01,705 --> 02:52:05,685
to them a feasible economic impact to be able to hook up

3528
02:52:05,685 --> 02:52:07,565
to the grid where they had the connection agreement.

3529
02:52:08,265 --> 02:52:10,965
And you know, at that point, you know, and, and

3530
02:52:11,105 --> 02:52:14,045
and people would say, well what law binds that?

3531
02:52:14,185 --> 02:52:16,085
And that would be for the Planning Commission.

3532
02:52:16,085 --> 02:52:17,565
Would that be the planning enabling act?

3533
02:52:18,385 --> 02:52:19,645
The zoning zoning, the zoning

3534
02:52:19,645 --> 02:52:20,765
act, yeah. Zoning act able to prove

3535
02:52:20,765 --> 02:52:22,365
Site planning and then case law to

3536
02:52:22,365 --> 02:52:23,445
beyond, beyond that. Right.

3537
02:52:23,585 --> 02:52:25,125
And so they have a site plan,

3538
02:52:25,155 --> 02:52:27,845
then they will have a actual decommissioning agreement

3539
02:52:27,955 --> 02:52:29,525
that they sign with the township.

3540
02:52:30,205 --> 02:52:32,765
They'll have the bond that they post with the township,

3541
02:52:33,445 --> 02:52:35,805
they will have a development agreement with the township.

3542
02:52:35,825 --> 02:52:37,205
So the township can hold their feet

3543
02:52:37,205 --> 02:52:38,325
to the fire on all the things

3544
02:52:38,635 --> 02:52:39,965
that they said they were gonna do.

3545
02:52:40,795 --> 02:52:45,405
Plus there will be a agreement regarding the, well a memo

3546
02:52:45,425 --> 02:52:47,285
of understanding regarding the open space.

3547
02:52:47,345 --> 02:52:49,885
So that gives you, it'll give you around a year

3548
02:52:49,945 --> 02:52:52,045
to figure out as a board whether you want it,

3549
02:52:52,045 --> 02:52:55,525
whether you don't want it and what you might use that for.

3550
02:52:55,745 --> 02:52:58,845
And we did tour the battery energy storage and cold water.

3551
02:52:58,945 --> 02:53:01,245
And when you pulled up you, you couldn't hear it,

3552
02:53:01,665 --> 02:53:04,445
you could start to listen for it and then you could hear it.

3553
02:53:04,545 --> 02:53:06,525
But once you walked farther down the driveway,

3554
02:53:06,925 --> 02:53:08,645
I mean it wasn't near as we went there

3555
02:53:08,705 --> 02:53:11,045
and in person and and seen it.

3556
02:53:11,065 --> 02:53:13,925
And so I think we had better setbacks,

3557
02:53:13,925 --> 02:53:15,125
we had better decommissioning.

3558
02:53:15,505 --> 02:53:18,845
We ended up with a 40 acre development with a hundred acres

3559
02:53:19,005 --> 02:53:21,405
of land to do something positive and productive with.

3560
02:53:23,105 --> 02:53:24,925
Can I make a comment about that land? Yeah.

3561
02:53:25,265 --> 02:53:27,965
So I want, there's been a lot of comments about the land

3562
02:53:28,025 --> 02:53:30,965
as well and wanting a hundred acres not

3563
02:53:30,965 --> 02:53:32,125
wanting the a hundred acres.

3564
02:53:32,225 --> 02:53:34,125
Who wants to hang out near the best.

3565
02:53:34,265 --> 02:53:38,845
All of the things, I want everyone to understand that part

3566
02:53:38,845 --> 02:53:43,205
of the reason that we specified what we did about

3567
02:53:43,205 --> 02:53:45,005
that a hundred acres was

3568
02:53:45,065 --> 02:53:48,725
to prevent further development on that space.

3569
02:53:49,625 --> 02:53:52,885
So imagine you all can, can connect the dots

3570
02:53:52,885 --> 02:53:56,125
of all the things that you might want to put next to a best

3571
02:53:57,065 --> 02:54:00,365
and all of the things that we didn't want next to a best.

3572
02:54:01,025 --> 02:54:04,165
So rather we'd like to preserve the green open space,

3573
02:54:04,175 --> 02:54:07,365
which is how it's mapped on our future land use

3574
02:54:07,465 --> 02:54:09,845
as open space and recreation area.

3575
02:54:10,225 --> 02:54:12,085
We wanted to preserve that character

3576
02:54:12,705 --> 02:54:17,325
and not have it turn into, you know, let's say things

3577
02:54:17,325 --> 02:54:19,205
that we're seeing in neighboring communities.

3578
02:54:20,905 --> 02:54:24,965
So that tees us up to the Eagle Renewable Energy grant.

3579
02:54:25,465 --> 02:54:27,245
And as I started working through that

3580
02:54:27,245 --> 02:54:31,245
because the Planning Commission did approve the site plan

3581
02:54:31,545 --> 02:54:34,525
and the special exemption use on the Eagle website,

3582
02:54:34,665 --> 02:54:36,125
it says intended use

3583
02:54:37,505 --> 02:54:40,565
and I, that's not just a decision for me to make, it's us,

3584
02:54:40,745 --> 02:54:44,685
US as now this is not concrete, it's just in order

3585
02:54:44,685 --> 02:54:45,685
to engage in the grant.

3586
02:54:46,345 --> 02:54:49,405
So one part of it would be is that instead of me just,

3587
02:54:49,545 --> 02:54:51,925
you know, wing in an intended use, I would like

3588
02:54:52,125 --> 02:54:55,085
to have a board discussion of what we would like to do with

3589
02:54:55,085 --> 02:54:56,885
that intended $2 million grant.

3590
02:54:57,305 --> 02:55:00,445
And then lo and behold there was lots of logins

3591
02:55:00,445 --> 02:55:03,405
and two factor authentication for different numbers

3592
02:55:03,545 --> 02:55:05,405
and accesses of things that I needed

3593
02:55:05,405 --> 02:55:07,245
to get in order to apply for the grant.

3594
02:55:07,705 --> 02:55:11,605
And I was able to regain access to the login credentials

3595
02:55:11,605 --> 02:55:12,645
of everything that I needed.

3596
02:55:12,985 --> 02:55:14,965
And now we are ready to apply for the grant,

3597
02:55:15,105 --> 02:55:16,925
but I thought it would be good due diligence

3598
02:55:17,185 --> 02:55:18,445
for our record as well.

3599
02:55:18,445 --> 02:55:21,525
When we do supply for the grant, apply for the grant,

3600
02:55:22,345 --> 02:55:24,045
we would just be beyond formal

3601
02:55:24,665 --> 02:55:28,485
of at least having a discussion of what we would like to see

3602
02:55:28,485 --> 02:55:30,325
that $2 million go towards.

3603
02:55:30,945 --> 02:55:33,325
So I'll get started. Just

3604
02:55:33,865 --> 02:55:34,865
Can I say something?

3605
02:55:34,865 --> 02:55:36,285
Yeah, Sorry.

3606
02:55:37,025 --> 02:55:41,685
I'd just like to say that I totally agree with

3607
02:55:42,075 --> 02:55:44,005
what Trustee Paver said

3608
02:55:44,465 --> 02:55:48,685
and what Supervisor Martin said you have.

3609
02:55:48,905 --> 02:55:50,685
You have no idea how much time

3610
02:55:53,965 --> 02:55:56,165
Supervisor Martin put in to do this.

3611
02:55:56,305 --> 02:55:59,525
And he drove this bus and he drove it as hard as he could

3612
02:56:00,065 --> 02:56:02,805
and me and Sandy Bloomfield backed him all the way.

3613
02:56:02,905 --> 02:56:06,725
And we fought and we fought to stop this and we couldn't.

3614
02:56:07,245 --> 02:56:10,285
If you wanna blame somebody, blame your governor, blame,

3615
02:56:10,575 --> 02:56:12,245
blame, blame your government,

3616
02:56:12,665 --> 02:56:13,845
you know, they made this happen.

3617
02:56:13,905 --> 02:56:16,165
We didn't have a choice because it was all,

3618
02:56:16,165 --> 02:56:17,285
it was a done deal.

3619
02:56:18,105 --> 02:56:20,525
And so I just wanted you to understand

3620
02:56:20,525 --> 02:56:21,765
that that's the way it is.

3621
02:56:22,695 --> 02:56:26,365
Thank you Trustee Amos. So these are just ideas.

3622
02:56:26,555 --> 02:56:28,845
This would allow us to have some, just some,

3623
02:56:28,955 --> 02:56:31,205
some content on the application.

3624
02:56:32,185 --> 02:56:36,085
We have the 100 acres of land for community space.

3625
02:56:37,425 --> 02:56:41,165
We would, we have a letter of understanding with a developer

3626
02:56:41,315 --> 02:56:44,445
that we would solicit some feedback from the community

3627
02:56:44,745 --> 02:56:47,005
and at some time maybe we could do town halls,

3628
02:56:47,025 --> 02:56:48,605
we could garner feedback.

3629
02:56:48,905 --> 02:56:51,925
But 100 acres, whether it's developed with picnic tables

3630
02:56:52,065 --> 02:56:55,925
and maybe a space for food trucks to come, maybe have music,

3631
02:56:56,035 --> 02:56:59,645
have have different things, have a community picnic area,

3632
02:57:00,925 --> 02:57:03,725
whatever we would do on that land, we might need

3633
02:57:03,725 --> 02:57:05,405
to put, put some money towards.

3634
02:57:05,745 --> 02:57:08,245
So that is one idea to allocate some

3635
02:57:08,245 --> 02:57:10,605
of the funds towards the community space.

3636
02:57:12,105 --> 02:57:14,685
The transfer station, when I

3637
02:57:15,535 --> 02:57:17,165
first received all the full duties

3638
02:57:17,305 --> 02:57:18,685
of the township supervisor,

3639
02:57:19,285 --> 02:57:21,805
I got my first letter was you guys are getting ready

3640
02:57:21,805 --> 02:57:23,085
to get a ticket from Eagle

3641
02:57:23,085 --> 02:57:25,165
because you're out of compliance at the transfer station.

3642
02:57:25,425 --> 02:57:26,805
And I said, well how can I help

3643
02:57:26,955 --> 02:57:28,165
work and straighten it back up?

3644
02:57:28,585 --> 02:57:31,885
We had a license at the transfer station

3645
02:57:32,275 --> 02:57:35,285
that allowed yard waste to only be dropped off

3646
02:57:35,305 --> 02:57:37,285
but it needed to be immediately loaded

3647
02:57:37,345 --> 02:57:38,725
and transported out of there.

3648
02:57:39,225 --> 02:57:41,365
So we were able to get a compost license

3649
02:57:41,985 --> 02:57:45,765
and what the eagle regulations like to see as, they like

3650
02:57:45,765 --> 02:57:47,205
to see the compost wind road.

3651
02:57:47,665 --> 02:57:50,485
So when residents come in they swing wide with a trailer

3652
02:57:50,825 --> 02:57:53,765
and you have random globs of stuff everywhere.

3653
02:57:54,065 --> 02:57:57,045
And if you can imagine by the end of the month, by the end

3654
02:57:57,045 --> 02:58:01,805
of two months it can look not very orderly in a hurry.

3655
02:58:02,425 --> 02:58:04,765
We also offer at the transfer station

3656
02:58:05,445 --> 02:58:07,165
when we have storms in our community,

3657
02:58:07,185 --> 02:58:08,925
we offer free brush drop off.

3658
02:58:09,665 --> 02:58:10,965
We do charge for brush

3659
02:58:11,105 --> 02:58:13,525
but at times of storms to work with the community,

3660
02:58:13,865 --> 02:58:17,165
the the transfer station can get engulfed with brush

3661
02:58:17,465 --> 02:58:20,085
and what happens is it encroaches into the parking lot

3662
02:58:20,665 --> 02:58:22,765
and the environmental regulations,

3663
02:58:22,875 --> 02:58:24,405
they don't like to see that.

3664
02:58:24,555 --> 02:58:27,205
They also don't like to see the brush piled very tall

3665
02:58:27,315 --> 02:58:28,565
because if somebody,

3666
02:58:28,845 --> 02:58:30,685
although you can't smoke on township property,

3667
02:58:30,905 --> 02:58:33,285
if somebody does happen to flick a cigarette out

3668
02:58:33,385 --> 02:58:36,005
and all that brush is piled up sky high,

3669
02:58:36,475 --> 02:58:38,405
it's gonna go up in flames pretty quick.

3670
02:58:38,745 --> 02:58:41,565
So we don't really have any equipment at the transfer

3671
02:58:41,565 --> 02:58:44,125
station to make the transfer station orderly.

3672
02:58:44,665 --> 02:58:47,125
So my idea, and these are all ideas

3673
02:58:47,225 --> 02:58:49,565
and nothing is solidified, it's just something

3674
02:58:49,785 --> 02:58:51,765
to at least show documentation

3675
02:58:51,795 --> 02:58:53,845
that the board began discussions is

3676
02:58:53,845 --> 02:58:57,125
that we would get a skid steer for the transfer station

3677
02:58:57,195 --> 02:58:58,205
with some attachments.

3678
02:58:58,845 --> 02:59:02,845
I know that I was able to receive donated equipment,

3679
02:59:02,955 --> 02:59:04,245
donated diesel fuel

3680
02:59:04,505 --> 02:59:07,085
and I looked at the quote of the work that was done before

3681
02:59:07,385 --> 02:59:11,445
and I was told by longtime township staff it was $55,000

3682
02:59:11,825 --> 02:59:15,565
and I was able to do it in a week in the equipment.

3683
02:59:15,825 --> 02:59:18,165
But obviously you're not gonna get free rented, you know,

3684
02:59:18,165 --> 02:59:20,005
free donated equipment all the time.

3685
02:59:20,305 --> 02:59:23,845
So the transfer station I've seen $3,600 bills,

3686
02:59:24,115 --> 02:59:27,085
I've seen big bills from cleaning up, keeping it orderly

3687
02:59:27,655 --> 02:59:29,205
every time I went to work there.

3688
02:59:30,075 --> 02:59:33,165
Even if it was closed I couldn't open the gate without

3689
02:59:33,165 --> 02:59:36,005
someone wanting to get in to drop off cardboard garbage.

3690
02:59:36,345 --> 02:59:38,565
So I think what we have is a hidden gem

3691
02:59:38,795 --> 02:59:41,885
that is not fully being utilized at the transfer station.

3692
02:59:42,625 --> 02:59:45,485
And another thing that I get phone calls on all the time,

3693
02:59:45,715 --> 02:59:48,325
it's kinda like a can kicker, you'll get a senior

3694
02:59:48,325 --> 02:59:52,885
that calls you and a utility company maybe had done some

3695
02:59:52,885 --> 02:59:56,045
tree work and Clerk Lawrence tried to rope me in

3696
02:59:56,045 --> 02:59:57,725
to go pick up logs on the side of the road

3697
02:59:57,785 --> 03:00:00,165
and it would, it would be a great thing to do but,

3698
03:00:00,225 --> 03:00:02,005
and we'd have to talk to attorney thaw about that

3699
03:00:02,065 --> 03:00:03,445
to be fair I was gonna do it with you.

3700
03:00:05,025 --> 03:00:07,845
So you know you get a senior that has tree work

3701
03:00:07,945 --> 03:00:10,325
or something cleared from the road right away

3702
03:00:10,345 --> 03:00:12,325
and they leave the logs in their yard,

3703
03:00:13,145 --> 03:00:16,205
we don't have the means to be able to just go pick

3704
03:00:16,205 --> 03:00:17,245
that up in a truck

3705
03:00:17,245 --> 03:00:20,325
and a trailer to be able to go offer an additional service

3706
03:00:20,785 --> 03:00:22,285
to whether it would be, you know,

3707
03:00:22,285 --> 03:00:24,445
we gotta be careful spreading ourself too thin.

3708
03:00:24,545 --> 03:00:26,205
So I'm just starting with an idea here

3709
03:00:26,425 --> 03:00:28,725
and obviously we'd have to run it by attorney thaw

3710
03:00:28,955 --> 03:00:30,325
with the legal liability.

3711
03:00:30,585 --> 03:00:34,165
But if there was a senior on a limited income that had brush

3712
03:00:34,885 --> 03:00:36,885
branches logs bigger than that, they could move.

3713
03:00:37,305 --> 03:00:40,645
We could use the attachment on the skid steer to pick it up,

3714
03:00:40,915 --> 03:00:42,165
load it into a dump trailer

3715
03:00:42,385 --> 03:00:44,525
and utilize our facility to be able to do that.

3716
03:00:44,835 --> 03:00:47,005
Tonight we talked about maintenance

3717
03:00:47,385 --> 03:00:50,885
for a path on gall road maintenance would likely come in

3718
03:00:50,885 --> 03:00:53,845
when it's time to snowplow there's not a lot of activity.

3719
03:00:54,185 --> 03:00:57,005
So the skidsteer could be, you know, some, some set

3720
03:00:57,005 --> 03:00:59,660
of asset utilization to be able able to use that.

3721
03:01:00,605 --> 03:01:02,285
I think first impressions, you know,

3722
03:01:02,285 --> 03:01:04,445
if you're a new community member you buy your pass

3723
03:01:04,465 --> 03:01:06,685
to the transfer station and you pull up

3724
03:01:06,705 --> 03:01:08,805
and it looks like, you know, pretty rough.

3725
03:01:09,325 --> 03:01:11,445
I think we could make it a little bit orderly.

3726
03:01:11,945 --> 03:01:15,005
And then, you know there was that kind of conversation

3727
03:01:15,055 --> 03:01:17,325
where if you did have a skid steer, you know

3728
03:01:17,545 --> 03:01:19,485
how could you have the means of mobilizing it

3729
03:01:19,485 --> 03:01:21,645
around whether you had put the skid steer in

3730
03:01:21,645 --> 03:01:22,685
the back of a dump trailer.

3731
03:01:23,185 --> 03:01:24,845
So then when you get the skid steer there,

3732
03:01:24,845 --> 03:01:26,045
then you can take the skid steer,

3733
03:01:26,425 --> 03:01:28,125
use the dump trailer and do that.

3734
03:01:29,585 --> 03:01:30,845
And then we will talk about

3735
03:01:30,845 --> 03:01:32,125
the transfer station a little bit further.

3736
03:01:33,325 --> 03:01:37,365
I see stuff. And then the other just more general thing is

3737
03:01:37,635 --> 03:01:39,725
we'd have to talk to attorney thaw about that is

3738
03:01:39,725 --> 03:01:41,525
how do you put that money into circulation

3739
03:01:41,525 --> 03:01:42,845
and help lower millages.

3740
03:01:43,515 --> 03:01:45,965
Another complex part of this would be,

3741
03:01:46,175 --> 03:01:48,605
we're talking about later in this conversation

3742
03:01:48,905 --> 03:01:50,605
and I wouldn't be opposed if we table it

3743
03:01:50,665 --> 03:01:51,765
for the sewer connection,

3744
03:01:52,745 --> 03:01:56,565
but the parking lot perception would be if we used the grant

3745
03:01:56,565 --> 03:01:59,885
money to work on township hall parking lot

3746
03:02:00,225 --> 03:02:03,605
or the broken sewer connection, how would that be perceived?

3747
03:02:03,875 --> 03:02:06,885
Well township hall is where township business is conducted

3748
03:02:07,105 --> 03:02:08,565
and if we have ruts that are six

3749
03:02:08,565 --> 03:02:10,365
to eight inches deep out in the parking lot

3750
03:02:10,865 --> 03:02:12,085
and you know a driveway

3751
03:02:12,085 --> 03:02:13,445
that's not plowed and things like that.

3752
03:02:13,585 --> 03:02:15,925
So could you possibly utilize

3753
03:02:16,025 --> 03:02:18,725
and write on the grant it says repairs for township halls,

3754
03:02:18,825 --> 03:02:20,765
people build parks with grant money,

3755
03:02:20,765 --> 03:02:22,285
they build township buildings.

3756
03:02:23,095 --> 03:02:27,765
Would we want to use that Any part of that grant money

3757
03:02:28,025 --> 03:02:32,685
to work on maybe redoing and getting a brand new driveway

3758
03:02:33,225 --> 03:02:35,605
and possibly fixing the sewer connection

3759
03:02:35,865 --> 03:02:38,485
and then perhaps with attorney thought's, guidance,

3760
03:02:38,575 --> 03:02:41,245
could we put some of that money into investment

3761
03:02:41,705 --> 03:02:43,485
to let it grow some interest?

3762
03:02:43,825 --> 03:02:45,885
So kind of diversify that portfolio.

3763
03:02:46,615 --> 03:02:48,765
These are all ideas and I think it's just

3764
03:02:48,765 --> 03:02:50,205
important to start there.

3765
03:02:50,985 --> 03:02:53,325
But I would like to fill out the grant application if we're

3766
03:02:53,325 --> 03:02:55,525
so entitled to it and, and get moving on it.

3767
03:02:55,905 --> 03:02:58,725
So if anybody else wants to throw in some ideas,

3768
03:02:59,285 --> 03:03:01,125
I will fill 'em all out on the form and,

3769
03:03:01,305 --> 03:03:03,405
and then obviously we'll have a shakedown from there

3770
03:03:03,665 --> 03:03:07,245
and get some community engagement further with town halls

3771
03:03:07,245 --> 03:03:09,925
and really figure out where is it that we're going

3772
03:03:09,925 --> 03:03:12,005
to utilize $2 million

3773
03:03:12,385 --> 03:03:14,645
to make the greatest impact to the community.

3774
03:03:15,185 --> 03:03:17,485
And you know, part of the reasons I mentioned the transfer

3775
03:03:17,485 --> 03:03:19,605
station is that as resident Comstock Township,

3776
03:03:19,635 --> 03:03:21,845
everybody has access to be able to use that.

3777
03:03:22,265 --> 03:03:23,965
One thing that we wanna do for all of us,

3778
03:03:24,085 --> 03:03:25,725
I would hope we wanna be better neighbors,

3779
03:03:25,865 --> 03:03:28,725
we wanna clean up our properties, we want the township

3780
03:03:28,945 --> 03:03:31,405
to be clean, to be safe, to be presentable.

3781
03:03:31,625 --> 03:03:34,965
And so at what point can we utilize that transfer station

3782
03:03:35,865 --> 03:03:38,725
to help the blight in the community to clean it up,

3783
03:03:38,985 --> 03:03:40,725
to make it a place that we're all proud

3784
03:03:40,725 --> 03:03:42,885
to live. Trustee Hart?

3785
03:03:43,585 --> 03:03:46,885
Yes. In the grant award,

3786
03:03:47,865 --> 03:03:50,725
are we required to list what we're gonna use it for

3787
03:03:51,145 --> 03:03:52,965
and are we restricted to that?

3788
03:03:53,635 --> 03:03:56,645
It's just an intended use to just show good due diligence

3789
03:03:56,645 --> 03:03:59,205
that we began the discussions of how to use the money,

3790
03:03:59,425 --> 03:04:01,725
but we are not at this point limited to it.

3791
03:04:03,275 --> 03:04:04,285
Trustee Amos?

3792
03:04:04,985 --> 03:04:06,845
I'm good. Clerk Lawrence?

3793
03:04:08,225 --> 03:04:11,005
I'm okay right now. Treasurer Bloomfield.

3794
03:04:11,565 --> 03:04:14,045
I would like to see our disaster sirens

3795
03:04:14,465 --> 03:04:15,605
on top of the list.

3796
03:04:15,745 --> 03:04:17,365
Yes, it is something

3797
03:04:17,365 --> 03:04:20,725
that our residents have been begging for.

3798
03:04:20,945 --> 03:04:24,485
Yep. And I think we're one of the few municipalities

3799
03:04:24,485 --> 03:04:25,805
around that do not have them,

3800
03:04:27,715 --> 03:04:30,445
That would leave us with about approximately, you know,

3801
03:04:30,445 --> 03:04:34,765
if you were being way too conservative, $1.6 million left.

3802
03:04:35,745 --> 03:04:38,005
So thank you. Treasurer Bloomfield, Trustee Paver.

3803
03:04:39,005 --> 03:04:42,245
I would like to see either this time or,

3804
03:04:42,345 --> 03:04:45,365
or for the next time that we allow the community to come

3805
03:04:45,625 --> 03:04:47,165
or submit their ideas,

3806
03:04:47,345 --> 03:04:48,845
we can put up some form on the website

3807
03:04:49,505 --> 03:04:52,365
and say, you know, submit your ideas so

3808
03:04:52,365 --> 03:04:55,045
that we've at least taken their, you know,

3809
03:04:55,285 --> 03:04:57,125
comments into account and then as well

3810
03:04:57,125 --> 03:04:59,045
as maybe giving them chance to speak here.

3811
03:05:00,825 --> 03:05:02,805
And then obviously we only have to show

3812
03:05:02,835 --> 03:05:04,485
that we have an intended use

3813
03:05:04,505 --> 03:05:06,965
and we can get down to specifics later.

3814
03:05:07,105 --> 03:05:10,765
But I think it would also, you know, it's just another way

3815
03:05:10,845 --> 03:05:14,445
to show that, you know, this is money, this is money

3816
03:05:14,445 --> 03:05:16,445
for the community and so we should, you know,

3817
03:05:16,495 --> 03:05:18,725
allow their involvement as soon as we can.

3818
03:05:18,985 --> 03:05:20,925
You bet. Trustee Van Bruen,

3819
03:05:21,885 --> 03:05:23,685
I agree with you as well.

3820
03:05:23,685 --> 03:05:26,205
Trustee P what else I'll say is, you know,

3821
03:05:26,205 --> 03:05:29,085
we gotta make sure any money we receive, we use it to

3822
03:05:29,675 --> 03:05:31,165
prevent from spending more money.

3823
03:05:31,385 --> 03:05:33,285
So I understand equipment's great,

3824
03:05:33,505 --> 03:05:36,165
but let's make sure we keep it in the right areas

3825
03:05:36,265 --> 03:05:37,925
and we maintain it properly so

3826
03:05:37,925 --> 03:05:40,005
that we're not spending more on what we're doing

3827
03:05:40,465 --> 03:05:41,965
and that we're investing in.

3828
03:05:42,025 --> 03:05:44,485
So, yeah, but I, all great ideas

3829
03:05:44,625 --> 03:05:48,285
and Trustee Heart basically asked the question I had

3830
03:05:48,285 --> 03:05:49,405
on it too, so that's

3831
03:05:49,405 --> 03:05:50,405
All.

3832
03:05:50,405 --> 03:05:50,805
Thank you. Treasurer Bloomfield,

3833
03:05:51,565 --> 03:05:55,525
I just wanna say with the vacant land, I would like

3834
03:05:55,545 --> 03:05:59,965
to have a discussion about the possibility of keeping that

3835
03:06:00,505 --> 03:06:02,565
if we possibly could a golf course,

3836
03:06:03,465 --> 03:06:05,805
but the township not running it,

3837
03:06:05,825 --> 03:06:08,605
but leasing it out to someone who would,

3838
03:06:09,225 --> 03:06:12,965
we are not in the business of running a golf course,

3839
03:06:13,105 --> 03:06:14,125
nor do I wanna be,

3840
03:06:14,625 --> 03:06:17,765
but my concern is I do not wanna see

3841
03:06:17,795 --> 03:06:21,565
that a hundred acres turn into a burden for our taxpayers

3842
03:06:21,585 --> 03:06:23,245
or for our parks department.

3843
03:06:25,375 --> 03:06:27,405
Thank you. Treasurer Bloomfield, clerk Lawrence.

3844
03:06:28,635 --> 03:06:31,525
Yeah, I think the intention fully is

3845
03:06:31,525 --> 03:06:33,685
to engage the community in what we need to do.

3846
03:06:33,825 --> 03:06:35,685
We have to put something on this grant

3847
03:06:35,685 --> 03:06:37,285
and the grant is time sensitive.

3848
03:06:37,465 --> 03:06:41,005
It doesn't have, we're not committed to whatever it is,

3849
03:06:41,075 --> 03:06:44,085
it's just some brainstorming ideas on it.

3850
03:06:45,065 --> 03:06:46,245
But, you know, Ben

3851
03:06:46,265 --> 03:06:49,765
and I have already been kind of trying to figure out

3852
03:06:49,765 --> 03:06:52,365
how we can get some town halls and things like that going.

3853
03:06:52,625 --> 03:06:56,445
So I think, you know, just to reiterate,

3854
03:06:56,725 --> 03:06:59,445
I absolutely wanna see the community benefit from it.

3855
03:06:59,565 --> 03:07:00,765
I love the siren idea

3856
03:07:01,225 --> 03:07:05,365
and I'm fully in favor of impacting, whether it's

3857
03:07:05,365 --> 03:07:07,805
through this or through taxable income from this project

3858
03:07:08,675 --> 03:07:09,845
impacting milit rates.

3859
03:07:10,005 --> 03:07:11,125
'cause that's a way to touch every single

3860
03:07:11,125 --> 03:07:12,165
citizen in our community.

3861
03:07:13,495 --> 03:07:15,805
Thank you Clerk Lawrence. Trustee Amos?

3862
03:07:18,205 --> 03:07:20,245
I agree. I would like to see it used

3863
03:07:20,625 --> 03:07:22,045
for the emergency sirens

3864
03:07:22,045 --> 03:07:24,045
and anything that benefits the township.

3865
03:07:24,205 --> 03:07:25,845
I would be agreeable to that.

3866
03:07:26,975 --> 03:07:30,485
Thank you Trustee Hart. No further comment.

3867
03:07:32,585 --> 03:07:34,005
So Attorney Thal, I know

3868
03:07:34,005 --> 03:07:37,045
that maybe most municipalities may not make a motion

3869
03:07:37,065 --> 03:07:39,765
or have board authorization to apply for the grant,

3870
03:07:40,145 --> 03:07:43,245
but being that we, it is a time sensitive grant,

3871
03:07:43,245 --> 03:07:44,725
there's limited funds available,

3872
03:07:45,085 --> 03:07:46,765
although right now they're, they're pretty stocked up.

3873
03:07:46,765 --> 03:07:49,485
We just, we don't wanna let the opportunity slip away.

3874
03:07:50,005 --> 03:07:53,325
Would you recommend that the board authorize me to apply

3875
03:07:53,325 --> 03:07:56,205
for the Eagle Grant or what would you recommend? No, I

3876
03:07:56,205 --> 03:07:58,525
Think that would be an appropriate motion to apply

3877
03:07:58,525 --> 03:08:02,845
for the Eagle Grant and consider the, the projects

3878
03:08:02,845 --> 03:08:04,365
that you've, you've addressed.

3879
03:08:04,815 --> 03:08:07,085
Thank you. Trustee Van Bruen.

3880
03:08:07,145 --> 03:08:11,165
If we could all go through with just one idea of something

3881
03:08:11,165 --> 03:08:12,325
that you would like to see.

3882
03:08:12,555 --> 03:08:16,285
This is just an intended use, it's not solidified.

3883
03:08:16,315 --> 03:08:17,605
Further on down the road,

3884
03:08:17,605 --> 03:08:19,285
things would get a little bit more formal,

3885
03:08:19,585 --> 03:08:21,045
but there is a provision on there.

3886
03:08:22,155 --> 03:08:23,445
It's on the first line of it.

3887
03:08:23,515 --> 03:08:26,445
It's, it's whatever the, it's pr it's pretty broad.

3888
03:08:26,905 --> 03:08:28,325
The grant is pretty broad.

3889
03:08:28,425 --> 03:08:32,525
It says a line like whatever the township deems necessary,

3890
03:08:32,665 --> 03:08:35,165
but it is to go towards community benefits.

3891
03:08:35,485 --> 03:08:36,805
I would like to apply for the grant.

3892
03:08:37,165 --> 03:08:39,245
I would just like to have some content to put in it.

3893
03:08:39,425 --> 03:08:41,085
Do you have one idea to add to the table

3894
03:08:41,085 --> 03:08:42,285
that I could fill out?

3895
03:08:42,355 --> 03:08:44,365
Well, I think it'd be pretty, pretty broad from me.

3896
03:08:44,435 --> 03:08:46,925
It'd have to, it, it would deal

3897
03:08:46,925 --> 03:08:48,685
around safety for the community.

3898
03:08:49,865 --> 03:08:53,685
I'm Sandy, treasure Bloomfield mentioned the sirens,

3899
03:08:53,685 --> 03:08:55,605
but it'd be, it'd be in regards to safety

3900
03:08:55,625 --> 03:08:56,885
for the community, for everyone.

3901
03:08:57,915 --> 03:09:00,605
Just because of the impact from what we're hearing

3902
03:09:01,115 --> 03:09:02,445
from our constituents

3903
03:09:02,545 --> 03:09:04,285
and the people in the township that, you know,

3904
03:09:04,285 --> 03:09:05,485
it'd be concerning to me.

3905
03:09:05,545 --> 03:09:07,005
So it'd be safety related.

3906
03:09:07,875 --> 03:09:08,845
What that means is I

3907
03:09:08,845 --> 03:09:10,005
don't, I don't know exactly what it means.

3908
03:09:10,025 --> 03:09:11,445
If it means working,

3909
03:09:11,795 --> 03:09:13,885
find out if the fire department needs more things,

3910
03:09:14,025 --> 03:09:17,085
if it works out in our public area, anything like that.

3911
03:09:17,345 --> 03:09:18,725
But it'd have to be community

3912
03:09:19,005 --> 03:09:20,085
oriented and it'd have to be smart.

3913
03:09:20,205 --> 03:09:22,605
I don't want to cost us in the long run.

3914
03:09:24,085 --> 03:09:26,045
I do like your ideas with the transfer station,

3915
03:09:27,105 --> 03:09:29,645
but it, again, I wanna be, I wanna watch

3916
03:09:29,675 --> 03:09:32,325
what we spend our money on and, and, and be good

3917
03:09:32,505 --> 03:09:33,925
and be diligent about it too.

3918
03:09:35,145 --> 03:09:38,965
But I do like treasures Bloomfield idea the most about that

3919
03:09:39,145 --> 03:09:42,005
and, and with the sirens. Thank you of

3920
03:09:42,335 --> 03:09:43,335
Thank you very much.

3921
03:09:43,475 --> 03:09:44,525
Trustee Paver.

3922
03:09:47,765 --> 03:09:52,085
I don't have anything specific at this time and the,

3923
03:09:52,955 --> 03:09:57,925
because this is, it's such a contentious thing that I,

3924
03:09:59,425 --> 03:10:00,485
you know, I, I understand.

3925
03:10:00,485 --> 03:10:02,365
We just wanna put something down so

3926
03:10:02,365 --> 03:10:06,005
that we can initiate the process, but

3927
03:10:07,155 --> 03:10:12,125
Hold down, You know, we have a lot of,

3928
03:10:12,345 --> 03:10:13,365
of community needs

3929
03:10:13,365 --> 03:10:16,125
and there's a lot of opportunities

3930
03:10:16,175 --> 03:10:18,765
where the funds could be spent in,

3931
03:10:22,245 --> 03:10:24,685
I dunno, I don't have, I don't have a specific at this time.

3932
03:10:24,865 --> 03:10:27,925
That's fine. Thank you. Treasure Bloomfield anymore ideas,

3933
03:10:30,545 --> 03:10:32,645
Sirens, preferably ones that can speak to us.

3934
03:10:33,295 --> 03:10:36,485
Thank you Clerk Lawrence, anything spitball?

3935
03:10:36,485 --> 03:10:39,205
Just to get this started and then we'll have some more town

3936
03:10:39,215 --> 03:10:41,125
halls and really start the engagement process

3937
03:10:41,255 --> 03:10:43,285
after this, so, so we can get this grant.

3938
03:10:44,065 --> 03:10:48,445
I'm trying to think of a, a Broadway to, to language it,

3939
03:10:48,465 --> 03:10:52,885
but I would say maybe necessary

3940
03:10:53,555 --> 03:10:56,885
maintenance throughout the township might be broad enough

3941
03:10:56,995 --> 03:10:59,685
because I think that that would allow us the avenue

3942
03:10:59,905 --> 03:11:01,445
to still, you know, at the end

3943
03:11:01,445 --> 03:11:03,285
of the day when there is necessary maintenance

3944
03:11:03,285 --> 03:11:05,325
that comes out of the taxpayer dollar.

3945
03:11:05,345 --> 03:11:06,765
And so if this offsets that,

3946
03:11:07,435 --> 03:11:09,965
then it ultimately is gonna help us manage

3947
03:11:09,965 --> 03:11:10,965
that taxpayer dollar.

3948
03:11:11,025 --> 03:11:12,685
So I would try to take a broad approach.

3949
03:11:13,135 --> 03:11:15,725
Thank you Trustee. A s got anything for us?

3950
03:11:18,265 --> 03:11:20,365
The sirens would be on the top of my list

3951
03:11:20,505 --> 03:11:23,245
and seeing how we can't get the road commission

3952
03:11:23,265 --> 03:11:25,045
to repaint Comstock Avenue.

3953
03:11:25,175 --> 03:11:26,845
Maybe put some sidewalks in.

3954
03:11:28,375 --> 03:11:30,165
Thank you Trustee Amos. Trustee Hart.

3955
03:11:31,675 --> 03:11:33,565
Well trust treasurer.

3956
03:11:33,565 --> 03:11:37,925
Bloomfield's idea on a golf course could

3957
03:11:39,115 --> 03:11:42,525
greatly change public perception as it is right now.

3958
03:11:43,225 --> 03:11:45,405
The public perception is we're gonna lose the golf course

3959
03:11:46,225 --> 03:11:47,325
and have the best center.

3960
03:11:48,555 --> 03:11:51,725
Well, if the grant comes through, we would have the

3961
03:11:52,595 --> 03:11:56,685
best development, but $6 million and the golf course back

3962
03:11:58,395 --> 03:11:59,395
Four.

3963
03:12:00,415 --> 03:12:02,245
Thank you. I'd be looking for a motion.

3964
03:12:04,885 --> 03:12:08,205
I move that we authorize Supervisor Martin

3965
03:12:08,425 --> 03:12:12,245
to pursue the application for the EGLE grant

3966
03:12:13,355 --> 03:12:15,845
with the intended use

3967
03:12:18,225 --> 03:12:20,605
box filled with the ideas we shared today.

3968
03:12:21,555 --> 03:12:24,565
Support motion made by Clerk Lawrence, supported

3969
03:12:24,585 --> 03:12:25,805
by Treasurer Bloomfield.

3970
03:12:25,805 --> 03:12:29,325
All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes.

3971
03:12:30,345 --> 03:12:33,005
Moving along to transfer station discussion.

3972
03:12:33,265 --> 03:12:37,245
So days per week I would just like to solicit feedback

3973
03:12:37,245 --> 03:12:40,765
and I would like to encourage the board in the community,

3974
03:12:40,785 --> 03:12:43,605
the community's engagement, public comment, emails,

3975
03:12:43,775 --> 03:12:44,965
visit township hall.

3976
03:12:45,745 --> 03:12:48,925
Do we wanna see the transfer station open any more than

3977
03:12:48,925 --> 03:12:50,045
it is currently?

3978
03:12:50,045 --> 03:12:52,725
It's open Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday.

3979
03:12:53,425 --> 03:12:55,645
One thing that we really wanna do is we wanna clean

3980
03:12:55,685 --> 03:12:56,965
Comstock Township up.

3981
03:12:57,025 --> 03:12:59,085
We are known for a blighted community

3982
03:12:59,385 --> 03:13:01,445
and so we want to clean that up.

3983
03:13:01,665 --> 03:13:05,365
We wanna make it, we wanna make it easier for people

3984
03:13:05,365 --> 03:13:06,565
to clean their properties up.

3985
03:13:06,885 --> 03:13:09,885
I know that money is always, you know, a topic in, in

3986
03:13:09,885 --> 03:13:12,205
that discussion one way or or another.

3987
03:13:13,025 --> 03:13:15,205
We don't wanna do ordinance enforcement

3988
03:13:15,545 --> 03:13:17,285
and have to give somebody a ticket

3989
03:13:17,665 --> 03:13:19,405
and have to take 'em to court in order

3990
03:13:19,405 --> 03:13:20,565
to clean their properties up.

3991
03:13:20,785 --> 03:13:21,885
We wanna work together,

3992
03:13:22,225 --> 03:13:25,405
we wanna provide public land which transfer stations owned

3993
03:13:25,665 --> 03:13:29,845
by the township and we wanna be able to unlock the potential

3994
03:13:30,065 --> 03:13:31,205
of a transfer station.

3995
03:13:31,885 --> 03:13:33,165
Treasure Bloomfield told me in our,

3996
03:13:33,165 --> 03:13:36,765
in our hometown are close by of all the neat things

3997
03:13:36,765 --> 03:13:39,685
that they do to help the community clean up, lighted areas,

3998
03:13:40,325 --> 03:13:42,045
yard waste brush, things like that.

3999
03:13:42,425 --> 03:13:46,045
So I just want the board to just look around the community,

4000
03:13:46,555 --> 03:13:49,885
keep your ears peeled, think about some ideas and whether

4001
03:13:49,885 --> 03:13:52,925
or not we would wanna see the transfer station open

4002
03:13:53,625 --> 03:13:54,805
any more than it is now.

4003
03:13:54,835 --> 03:13:57,805
It's currently open 11 to six on Tuesday

4004
03:13:57,985 --> 03:13:59,325
and Thursday and Saturday.

4005
03:13:59,715 --> 03:14:01,485
Nine to four. One of the ideas

4006
03:14:01,485 --> 03:14:03,845
that I had was possibly Tuesday, Thursday,

4007
03:14:04,345 --> 03:14:05,405
Friday and Saturday.

4008
03:14:05,865 --> 03:14:07,765
And that would help residents have the ability

4009
03:14:07,825 --> 03:14:10,765
to get up there with work hours, things like that.

4010
03:14:10,915 --> 03:14:14,365
Obviously we would wanna discuss the winter hours as well.

4011
03:14:14,365 --> 03:14:17,165
Currently the transfer station in the winter is

4012
03:14:17,165 --> 03:14:18,725
open Thursday and Saturday.

4013
03:14:19,465 --> 03:14:21,005
One of the things that we did talk about

4014
03:14:21,005 --> 03:14:25,725
with the transfer station is the ability to charge

4015
03:14:26,765 --> 03:14:28,525
landscapers to dump their leaves

4016
03:14:28,795 --> 03:14:31,125
because now we do have the compost license,

4017
03:14:31,665 --> 03:14:33,845
we can turn leaves into dirt

4018
03:14:34,105 --> 03:14:37,005
and then that could help subsidize, if you will,

4019
03:14:37,205 --> 03:14:39,445
a little bit of operations at the transfer station.

4020
03:14:40,585 --> 03:14:44,285
And obviously there would be down the road, you know,

4021
03:14:44,295 --> 03:14:46,005
brush is big, it's bulky

4022
03:14:46,735 --> 03:14:49,165
eventually maybe there's a chipper in the works

4023
03:14:49,305 --> 03:14:50,645
or, or something like that.

4024
03:14:50,745 --> 03:14:53,765
And then if you were to take that big bulky brush,

4025
03:14:54,075 --> 03:14:55,285
turn it into wood chips,

4026
03:14:55,755 --> 03:14:58,365
community members could have offerings for wood chips.

4027
03:14:58,425 --> 03:15:00,845
But then the wood chips could also be composted

4028
03:15:01,115 --> 03:15:03,845
with the leaves potentially later sold as dirt.

4029
03:15:04,145 --> 03:15:07,485
So that is along the lines of just dreaming

4030
03:15:07,485 --> 03:15:09,765
and figuring out, like Joe said, you know,

4031
03:15:09,765 --> 03:15:11,685
how do you not go broke, do it and spend money

4032
03:15:11,705 --> 03:15:14,405
and actually, you know, either break even from it

4033
03:15:14,545 --> 03:15:15,685
and, and kind of move forward.

4034
03:15:15,705 --> 03:15:18,365
But then asset utilize the skid steer

4035
03:15:18,365 --> 03:15:20,445
that might clean up the yard waste

4036
03:15:20,785 --> 03:15:22,365
to maybe snowplow the driveway

4037
03:15:22,745 --> 03:15:24,525
to keep it safe at the transfer station.

4038
03:15:24,525 --> 03:15:27,165
When a resident comes to put their cardboard in the bin,

4039
03:15:27,315 --> 03:15:28,405
they don't slip and fall.

4040
03:15:28,945 --> 03:15:30,365
So just the idea was just

4041
03:15:30,625 --> 03:15:33,485
to kinda solicit community feedback on the transfer station

4042
03:15:33,745 --> 03:15:34,805
and whether or not they would like

4043
03:15:34,805 --> 03:15:36,525
to see it any further open hours.

4044
03:15:36,875 --> 03:15:39,005
Trustee Van Bruen, do you have anything to add?

4045
03:15:40,025 --> 03:15:41,845
No, I just, you you hit it on the nose.

4046
03:15:41,975 --> 03:15:44,165
Let's, we gotta watch cost and everything we do with it,

4047
03:15:44,165 --> 03:15:46,565
but I agree with you if they, if we can offset it

4048
03:15:46,835 --> 03:15:48,085
with some type of income

4049
03:15:48,105 --> 03:15:51,965
and I think you, you probably could then it'd be beneficial.

4050
03:15:52,615 --> 03:15:55,085
Would you, would it be possible if we had like a wood

4051
03:15:55,085 --> 03:15:57,725
chipper and we chipped some of the branches there?

4052
03:15:57,825 --> 03:16:00,725
Is there any possibility of selling wood chips out there?

4053
03:16:01,155 --> 03:16:02,805
Yeah, you bet. And I also thought about,

4054
03:16:03,005 --> 03:16:04,405
I mean obviously we'd wanna think about it

4055
03:16:04,405 --> 03:16:06,805
and this is way more complex than just, you know,

4056
03:16:06,805 --> 03:16:09,725
we're just starting ideas, is that potentially,

4057
03:16:09,725 --> 03:16:12,125
if it's a commercial chipper, you could possibly rent it out

4058
03:16:12,125 --> 03:16:13,205
to other municipalities.

4059
03:16:13,545 --> 03:16:17,285
In the instance it would, most people don't fathom

4060
03:16:18,505 --> 03:16:20,525
the, the fire chief gave us the support of

4061
03:16:20,545 --> 03:16:22,085
of getting some stuff cleaned up up there.

4062
03:16:22,425 --> 03:16:24,885
You would not fathom how fast

4063
03:16:24,915 --> 03:16:26,325
that place folds up with brush.

4064
03:16:26,665 --> 03:16:29,805
The community really utilizes it and brush is heavy

4065
03:16:29,985 --> 03:16:32,365
and it takes up a lot of space in a hurry.

4066
03:16:32,705 --> 03:16:36,605
And so what's happened historically is excavators have dug

4067
03:16:38,105 --> 03:16:39,965
basins and they've burned the brush

4068
03:16:40,265 --> 03:16:41,685
but it's came at big dollars.

4069
03:16:42,205 --> 03:16:45,405
So how do you turn that storm waste that that debris

4070
03:16:45,405 --> 03:16:48,085
that's in people's yards, like, you know, how do you work

4071
03:16:48,465 --> 03:16:49,485
to get that cleaned up?

4072
03:16:49,585 --> 03:16:52,405
So those are all ideas that we could talk about for sure.

4073
03:16:52,405 --> 03:16:54,725
And kinda solicit feedback from the community on

4074
03:16:54,725 --> 03:16:56,725
that Trustee paver?

4075
03:16:58,595 --> 03:17:01,965
Yeah, I would say for sure looking into how we can utilize

4076
03:17:01,965 --> 03:17:03,125
that composting

4077
03:17:04,865 --> 03:17:07,805
and allowing for other contractors to dump leaves.

4078
03:17:08,405 --> 03:17:11,925
Comstock is very large as we know and we have a lot of trees

4079
03:17:12,625 --> 03:17:14,485
and many of 'em take 'em to other municipalities

4080
03:17:14,785 --> 03:17:17,485
who will accept them and they

4081
03:17:17,485 --> 03:17:18,725
drop 'em off in, in other areas.

4082
03:17:18,865 --> 03:17:22,725
And so if we can allow an avenue where they can afford it

4083
03:17:22,865 --> 03:17:25,245
and it's a win-win for everybody, then

4084
03:17:26,465 --> 03:17:28,085
it allows us to, to keep it open.

4085
03:17:28,145 --> 03:17:30,125
And I mean what's the real cost of the transfer station

4086
03:17:30,975 --> 03:17:34,005
being open an extra day in relation

4087
03:17:34,005 --> 03:17:35,325
to the actual benefit that it provides.

4088
03:17:36,305 --> 03:17:39,805
So thank you Treasurer Bloomfield.

4089
03:17:42,715 --> 03:17:46,685
When I've campaigned this township, you see a lot of brush

4090
03:17:46,705 --> 03:17:49,965
and a lot of trees in a lot of people's yards everywhere.

4091
03:17:49,965 --> 03:17:51,645
It doesn't matter what neighborhood you're in.

4092
03:17:52,985 --> 03:17:56,205
So I've always been one that would love to push that idea

4093
03:17:57,635 --> 03:17:59,605
then that would take a lot of discussion.

4094
03:18:00,125 --> 03:18:03,885
I would even be okay with us hiring a couple tree services

4095
03:18:04,065 --> 03:18:07,445
to just go through the township like we do with our

4096
03:18:08,815 --> 03:18:12,725
trash pickup, which is ongoing right now where we did that.

4097
03:18:12,865 --> 03:18:15,805
But I think we need to utilize that transfer station.

4098
03:18:15,905 --> 03:18:19,965
We own it. I think it's ridiculous for us

4099
03:18:19,985 --> 03:18:22,405
to keep paying someone to go up there

4100
03:18:22,405 --> 03:18:25,565
and move the brush around when we have help that can do it.

4101
03:18:25,625 --> 03:18:27,445
We just need to invest in the equipment

4102
03:18:28,105 --> 03:18:29,365
and a place to store it.

4103
03:18:29,385 --> 03:18:30,405
So it's kept.

4104
03:18:32,215 --> 03:18:34,365
Thank you. Treasurer, Bloomfield, clerk Lawrence?

4105
03:18:38,505 --> 03:18:40,045
Not a ton of thoughts. I mean I think

4106
03:18:40,045 --> 03:18:41,765
that I'd like to hear from the community.

4107
03:18:41,925 --> 03:18:44,485
I saw a lot of nods that there was some interest,

4108
03:18:44,585 --> 03:18:48,645
but I think I would, you know, defer to listening

4109
03:18:48,745 --> 03:18:52,805
to perspective on if we need it and how we could utilize it.

4110
03:18:52,865 --> 03:18:54,245
I'm all in favor of utilizing our

4111
03:18:54,245 --> 03:18:56,405
assets. Just would like to listen.

4112
03:18:57,375 --> 03:18:58,645
Thank you Trustee Amos,

4113
03:19:01,005 --> 03:19:02,005
I have a question.

4114
03:19:02,395 --> 03:19:06,645
Came to me, you being a farmer, how much land do you

4115
03:19:07,295 --> 03:19:10,965
think that the transfer station actually takes up?

4116
03:19:13,425 --> 03:19:15,405
As far as what we're utilizing? Yes.

4117
03:19:15,515 --> 03:19:17,965
There's a lot more utilization to be had up there.

4118
03:19:18,305 --> 03:19:20,925
We could really, like, there's a lot of unlocked potential.

4119
03:19:21,485 --> 03:19:23,165
Obviously we're not gonna get four of us together,

4120
03:19:23,165 --> 03:19:25,685
but if a couple of us at different times wanna go up there,

4121
03:19:26,025 --> 03:19:29,165
I'm glad to, you know, give board members the tour of it.

4122
03:19:29,725 --> 03:19:33,005
I I'm just saying that I, I think the transfer takes up,

4123
03:19:33,645 --> 03:19:36,565
transfer takes up about four or five acres, wouldn't you?

4124
03:19:36,565 --> 03:19:38,245
Would you say that was a good estimate of,

4125
03:19:38,305 --> 03:19:40,245
Of space being utilized up there? Yes.

4126
03:19:40,825 --> 03:19:43,885
Mm, maybe not that much.

4127
03:19:44,675 --> 03:19:48,405
Yeah, probably, probably four acres of actually Okay.

4128
03:19:48,405 --> 03:19:50,485
Peer utilized space up there.

4129
03:19:50,705 --> 03:19:53,965
So the reason for the question is that you're taking up,

4130
03:19:53,965 --> 03:19:56,925
you're using four acres when you really have, what, 55?

4131
03:19:57,275 --> 03:19:59,685
Yeah, there's some 50 plus acres up there.

4132
03:19:59,865 --> 03:20:01,685
So maybe what we,

4133
03:20:01,825 --> 03:20:05,045
we should be really looking at is could we move the transfer

4134
03:20:05,045 --> 03:20:07,805
station someplace else so that we could utilize

4135
03:20:07,805 --> 03:20:11,645
that 55 acres for a housing development for instance.

4136
03:20:11,795 --> 03:20:13,045
Yeah, just a thought.

4137
03:20:15,325 --> 03:20:17,885
I I, no one's ever asked me that Jerry,

4138
03:20:18,065 --> 03:20:19,925
so I'll have to sleep on that one.

4139
03:20:19,945 --> 03:20:21,005
Get back to you. You know,

4140
03:20:21,105 --> 03:20:22,925
and obviously we'd leave it up to this board,

4141
03:20:22,945 --> 03:20:25,085
but I think that transfer station's been there

4142
03:20:25,105 --> 03:20:26,165
for a very long time

4143
03:20:26,705 --> 03:20:29,045
and excavators back in the day used to do things

4144
03:20:29,115 --> 03:20:30,765
that are done a lot differently.

4145
03:20:30,865 --> 03:20:33,805
So you'll never know what you may find, knock on this table

4146
03:20:33,835 --> 03:20:35,485
that there's nothing you know up there.

4147
03:20:35,585 --> 03:20:38,445
But you know, the opportunity cost, right?

4148
03:20:38,445 --> 03:20:41,525
If you, if you put it into development then where, where,

4149
03:20:41,525 --> 03:20:43,725
where are we gonna go in order to be able

4150
03:20:43,725 --> 03:20:45,685
to provide those services to the residents.

4151
03:20:46,305 --> 03:20:47,405
So, and, and,

4152
03:20:47,465 --> 03:20:50,685
and it is set up there with a, you know, some

4153
03:20:50,685 --> 03:20:51,965
of the equipment that's needed.

4154
03:20:52,145 --> 03:20:54,245
So Yeah. But I appreciate your thought. Just a thought.

4155
03:20:54,245 --> 03:20:56,285
Thank you Trustee Hart heart.

4156
03:20:58,165 --> 03:21:00,605
I think it's pretty clear the need for

4157
03:21:01,205 --> 03:21:02,445
transfer station is gonna increase.

4158
03:21:04,985 --> 03:21:06,565
I'm pretty sure if we had an arborist

4159
03:21:06,625 --> 03:21:09,605
or a tree expert here, he would tell us that

4160
03:21:09,845 --> 03:21:12,285
as time goes on, trees age,

4161
03:21:12,975 --> 03:21:15,605
other conditions cause weakening of them,

4162
03:21:15,975 --> 03:21:19,405
we're probably gonna need more room

4163
03:21:19,625 --> 03:21:22,525
and support of this type of

4164
03:21:24,025 --> 03:21:25,245
debris in the future.

4165
03:21:25,275 --> 03:21:26,485
It's almost certainly gonna go up.

4166
03:21:27,495 --> 03:21:30,205
Thank you. Recently in the past

4167
03:21:30,825 --> 03:21:35,045
six months we've had two excavation companies so gracious

4168
03:21:35,045 --> 03:21:36,925
to go up there and donate work.

4169
03:21:37,355 --> 03:21:40,285
It's just how long are people you gonna expect that?

4170
03:21:40,345 --> 03:21:43,125
And then sometimes when it's a donation you get what you pay

4171
03:21:43,125 --> 03:21:44,245
for 'cause it's on their time.

4172
03:21:44,425 --> 03:21:48,685
So yeah, just want the community to be aware.

4173
03:21:48,775 --> 03:21:51,245
We're looking for feedback on the transfer station.

4174
03:21:52,185 --> 03:21:53,185
Any further questions?

4175
03:21:54,205 --> 03:21:55,245
I just wanna make a comment.

4176
03:21:56,905 --> 03:21:58,765
We heard from the city today about

4177
03:22:01,305 --> 03:22:03,645
the trails and them working to

4178
03:22:05,555 --> 03:22:07,205
grow trees hardwoods out there.

4179
03:22:08,105 --> 03:22:11,805
And I've always wondered why with us owning this 55 acres,

4180
03:22:11,815 --> 03:22:14,405
we've never harvested any trees off of that

4181
03:22:15,465 --> 03:22:19,045
and put that money to good use so that we would have

4182
03:22:19,585 --> 03:22:20,605
new growth out there.

4183
03:22:22,475 --> 03:22:23,485
It's just the thought.

4184
03:22:24,385 --> 03:22:26,285
You wanna go over there and look for some money. Yeah.

4185
03:22:26,625 --> 03:22:29,085
All right. I do. Moving along

4186
03:22:29,145 --> 03:22:33,485
to the Civic Assure agreement, Chris, if you'd like

4187
03:22:33,485 --> 03:22:38,445
to take the podium, if you

4188
03:22:38,445 --> 03:22:39,645
wanna just start us from scratch.

4189
03:22:40,115 --> 03:22:42,845
Sure. Chris from Melich with Civic Assure.

4190
03:22:43,065 --> 03:22:47,445
So Civic Assure is a platform primarily designed

4191
03:22:47,545 --> 03:22:50,125
for ordinance enforcement, zoning administration,

4192
03:22:50,865 --> 03:22:52,725
and properties and GIS management.

4193
03:22:53,225 --> 03:22:56,045
So I had the opportunity to work with Tom over the last,

4194
03:22:56,845 --> 03:22:58,485
I think maybe two and a half, three weeks just

4195
03:22:58,485 --> 03:23:00,125
to kinda look at his workflow

4196
03:23:00,385 --> 03:23:04,245
and all the disparate paper processes that exist within that

4197
03:23:05,025 --> 03:23:07,685
and give him a trial run on Civic Assure.

4198
03:23:08,265 --> 03:23:10,365
So increase his efficiency, be able

4199
03:23:10,365 --> 03:23:11,405
to keep track of everything.

4200
03:23:12,205 --> 03:23:14,405
He was also able to sit down with Supervisor Martin

4201
03:23:15,205 --> 03:23:19,005
and he has complete visibility of all that workflow as well.

4202
03:23:19,585 --> 03:23:21,725
So that's the ordinance side of things kind

4203
03:23:21,725 --> 03:23:22,925
of increased Tom's ability

4204
03:23:22,945 --> 03:23:24,805
to manage his workload as one person.

4205
03:23:25,745 --> 03:23:27,845
And then on the zoning side, the ability

4206
03:23:27,845 --> 03:23:28,965
for the Zoning Administrator

4207
03:23:28,985 --> 03:23:30,485
to keep track of their work as well.

4208
03:23:30,675 --> 03:23:33,165
Special use permits, applications, agendas,

4209
03:23:34,315 --> 03:23:35,965
that ability is in there as well.

4210
03:23:36,465 --> 03:23:39,005
So before you is kind of that agreement

4211
03:23:39,785 --> 03:23:41,565
and I'm available for any questions

4212
03:23:42,825 --> 03:23:43,825
In one thing.

4213
03:23:43,825 --> 03:23:47,045
In the software, it's a a web-based program

4214
03:23:47,585 --> 03:23:51,045
and it has the GIS mapping integrated specifically

4215
03:23:51,045 --> 03:23:53,965
to Comstock Township, the ordinance officer.

4216
03:23:54,185 --> 03:23:58,285
We have transcribed our voicemails into transcription

4217
03:23:58,745 --> 03:24:00,605
so it can create a case number.

4218
03:24:01,025 --> 03:24:02,885
The case number is then documented

4219
03:24:03,185 --> 03:24:06,685
and then through the entire ordinance process,

4220
03:24:07,955 --> 03:24:09,765
part of the process at some point,

4221
03:24:10,365 --> 03:24:12,005
although we would hope that it doesn't get there,

4222
03:24:12,005 --> 03:24:14,925
inevitably at times it does, it would reach our attorney.

4223
03:24:15,315 --> 03:24:17,085
This would be able to allow us

4224
03:24:17,085 --> 03:24:19,525
to streamline the information with cost.

4225
03:24:20,555 --> 03:24:23,445
Currently, well prior to exploring this,

4226
03:24:23,655 --> 03:24:25,845
there was Excel spreadsheets, there's photos,

4227
03:24:25,875 --> 03:24:27,085
there's Word documents,

4228
03:24:27,085 --> 03:24:29,045
there's multiple places for information.

4229
03:24:29,425 --> 03:24:32,165
And one thing that the ordinance officer

4230
03:24:32,465 --> 03:24:36,365
and I working with Attorney Falls firm had discovered

4231
03:24:36,365 --> 03:24:40,525
that we were, as Comstock Township was not doing much on the

4232
03:24:40,525 --> 03:24:42,085
cost recovery side of things.

4233
03:24:42,465 --> 03:24:45,685
So if there were a property that was in violation

4234
03:24:46,105 --> 03:24:48,725
of multiple vehicles and they needed to get towed

4235
03:24:48,905 --> 03:24:50,125
or there was dumpsters

4236
03:24:50,585 --> 03:24:53,085
and talking with the last ordinance officer, some

4237
03:24:53,085 --> 03:24:56,285
of these properties would take 20, $30,000

4238
03:24:56,385 --> 03:24:59,325
of township resources in order to clean them up.

4239
03:24:59,745 --> 03:25:02,925
And we weren't doing our due diligence as a municipality

4240
03:25:02,985 --> 03:25:04,725
to get that money back somehow.

4241
03:25:05,185 --> 03:25:08,005
So this software not only streamlines everything,

4242
03:25:08,155 --> 03:25:12,965
puts it together, but is able to track a case by case basis

4243
03:25:13,425 --> 03:25:16,725
and able to ensure either compliance or cost recovery.

4244
03:25:17,325 --> 03:25:21,205
It's got a dashboard and it's, it's, it helps planning

4245
03:25:21,265 --> 03:25:23,565
and zoning also identify with the,

4246
03:25:24,125 --> 03:25:26,005
the ordinance officer when planning

4247
03:25:26,025 --> 03:25:28,765
and zoning gets a complaint, the planning

4248
03:25:28,785 --> 03:25:32,085
and zoning can input a complaint into the ordinance

4249
03:25:32,085 --> 03:25:34,805
officer's database and then he can take it from there.

4250
03:25:36,195 --> 03:25:40,885
It's, it's pretty impressive. Any questions for Chris?

4251
03:25:41,435 --> 03:25:45,045
Trustee Paver, thank you for staying so late.

4252
03:25:45,045 --> 03:25:46,165
Appreciate you. Yeah, you're welcome.

4253
03:25:47,225 --> 03:25:51,085
No, I, I mean I, I went over it and saw it in use

4254
03:25:51,385 --> 03:25:54,845
and this is something that to me, I was surprised

4255
03:25:55,445 --> 03:26:00,085
that we didn't have because it's, the benefits to it are

4256
03:26:00,085 --> 03:26:03,365
so obvious and it will allow the entire department

4257
03:26:03,745 --> 03:26:06,685
to actually start cost recovery

4258
03:26:07,795 --> 03:26:09,285
from which my understanding is, is

4259
03:26:09,285 --> 03:26:10,485
that none occur right now.

4260
03:26:11,545 --> 03:26:16,085
And so over a very short period of time,

4261
03:26:16,145 --> 03:26:18,885
we will be able to recover even the base cost,

4262
03:26:18,895 --> 03:26:21,925
which is already extremely low for the amount of value

4263
03:26:21,955 --> 03:26:25,565
that it provides, considering that this is going to save

4264
03:26:26,285 --> 03:26:28,925
several personnel hours and hours of time.

4265
03:26:29,825 --> 03:26:31,725
And then again, that doesn't even include the

4266
03:26:31,725 --> 03:26:32,765
cost recovery from it.

4267
03:26:33,065 --> 03:26:36,205
So I'm in full support of efficiency

4268
03:26:36,505 --> 03:26:38,645
and this is going to increase everybody's efficiency.

4269
03:26:40,145 --> 03:26:43,645
So thank you. Thank you Trustee Paver. Trustee Van Bruen.

4270
03:26:44,835 --> 03:26:45,885
Yeah, I, I agree.

4271
03:26:45,915 --> 03:26:49,125
It's, I was shocked when I looked at it more than we didn't

4272
03:26:49,125 --> 03:26:51,645
already have something like this in place

4273
03:26:51,675 --> 03:26:55,325
because we we're not linked together very well.

4274
03:26:55,325 --> 03:26:58,245
And I think it's, it's a must have.

4275
03:26:59,225 --> 03:27:01,325
We talked about a lot about efficiency in night

4276
03:27:01,385 --> 03:27:04,885
and a couple of things we're implementing it.

4277
03:27:05,085 --> 03:27:06,685
I just wonder if there's thought in the future.

4278
03:27:06,925 --> 03:27:11,285
'cause this will streamline things about the, the amount

4279
03:27:11,325 --> 03:27:12,685
of employees we have and,

4280
03:27:12,905 --> 03:27:14,965
and if that, if we're using that efficiency

4281
03:27:14,985 --> 03:27:18,365
and we have the right number in stock, and if we do

4282
03:27:18,365 --> 03:27:21,525
and we, we still need that, where can we branch with 'em

4283
03:27:21,525 --> 03:27:24,045
to help make other areas more efficient too and,

4284
03:27:24,225 --> 03:27:25,645
and bring, take off some pressure.

4285
03:27:25,705 --> 03:27:28,005
So I I agree a hundred percent this is needed.

4286
03:27:28,365 --> 03:27:32,245
I think it, it will help and it'll pay for itself instantly.

4287
03:27:33,545 --> 03:27:36,525
And recently we did have a board approval

4288
03:27:36,585 --> 03:27:38,245
to hire a second ordinance officer

4289
03:27:38,345 --> 03:27:41,325
and the idea right now is to integrate this software

4290
03:27:41,545 --> 03:27:45,565
and allow him to make the most maximum of his use of time

4291
03:27:45,985 --> 03:27:48,685
to be able to maybe do the job right now as,

4292
03:27:48,745 --> 03:27:50,285
as a standalone ordinance officer.

4293
03:27:51,665 --> 03:27:54,005
So that's all I have. Thank you Treasurer Bloomfield,

4294
03:27:56,365 --> 03:27:58,485
I happen to step into the office the day you were in there

4295
03:27:58,485 --> 03:28:00,045
with Tom, the ordinance officer

4296
03:28:00,225 --> 03:28:03,365
and I was very impressed with this Compliments to you.

4297
03:28:03,415 --> 03:28:05,725
Thank you. And thank you for staying.

4298
03:28:06,245 --> 03:28:08,765
I am really sorry that we didn't put you further up on the

4299
03:28:08,765 --> 03:28:10,085
list that you had to sit here all night.

4300
03:28:10,085 --> 03:28:12,725
No, it's fine. Thank you. Clerk Lawrence?

4301
03:28:14,195 --> 03:28:18,805
Yeah, I think first of all, cost recovery is gonna pay

4302
03:28:18,825 --> 03:28:20,725
for this in no time.

4303
03:28:22,275 --> 03:28:24,805
It's gonna also help us manage escrow accounts

4304
03:28:24,805 --> 03:28:25,925
in the zoning department.

4305
03:28:26,425 --> 03:28:28,285
So when big projects come in,

4306
03:28:28,285 --> 03:28:31,525
they often give us escrow accounts that basically pay

4307
03:28:31,585 --> 03:28:34,165
for some of the, the costs associated

4308
03:28:34,235 --> 03:28:36,125
with bringing those developments in.

4309
03:28:36,705 --> 03:28:40,165
Now that is very difficult and tedious to keep record of

4310
03:28:40,265 --> 03:28:43,245
and this will streamline that process.

4311
03:28:43,625 --> 03:28:46,165
So I think we'll have just better accounting overall.

4312
03:28:46,705 --> 03:28:49,285
And I would just share that I've had the opportunity to talk

4313
03:28:49,285 --> 03:28:53,365
to Chris quite a bit and he's, he's a pretty smart guy.

4314
03:28:53,785 --> 03:28:56,525
And if there are things that we think that we need,

4315
03:28:56,525 --> 03:28:58,725
the beauty of this is that he built it.

4316
03:28:58,945 --> 03:29:02,725
And so if we need to tweak it, if we need to do something

4317
03:29:03,035 --> 03:29:06,845
that makes it more effective for our township,

4318
03:29:07,825 --> 03:29:09,605
he has the ability to change that and do that.

4319
03:29:09,625 --> 03:29:12,845
And we won't have minutes printing with

4320
03:29:14,135 --> 03:29:17,005
names from past supervisors.

4321
03:29:17,345 --> 03:29:18,925
So I'll leave it at that.

4322
03:29:19,375 --> 03:29:21,325
Thank you. Clerk Lawrence. Trustee Amos.

4323
03:29:23,995 --> 03:29:26,645
Well sometimes you have to spend money to save money

4324
03:29:26,745 --> 03:29:29,125
and I think this is one of those cases, so I'm, I'm,

4325
03:29:29,225 --> 03:29:30,245
I'm supportive of it.

4326
03:29:30,655 --> 03:29:32,525
Thank you Trustee Amos. Trustee Hart,

4327
03:29:33,065 --> 03:29:35,525
It appears that many different offices would use

4328
03:29:35,675 --> 03:29:36,885
this software, is that correct?

4329
03:29:37,555 --> 03:29:39,965
Yeah, it will help bring some continuity

4330
03:29:39,965 --> 03:29:41,685
between departments. Okay.

4331
03:29:42,065 --> 03:29:45,485
And at this time, are we considering the core package

4332
03:29:45,705 --> 03:29:47,285
and the three available options

4333
03:29:47,945 --> 03:29:48,945
At this time?

4334
03:29:49,025 --> 03:29:50,125
My recommendation

4335
03:29:50,145 --> 03:29:53,845
and I believe Chris's recommendation to us would be Chris,

4336
03:29:53,865 --> 03:29:55,005
if you'd like to speak to that.

4337
03:29:55,645 --> 03:29:58,405
I, I would go with just the core package to start.

4338
03:29:58,865 --> 03:30:00,525
You've got two new people in those roles

4339
03:30:00,585 --> 03:30:04,005
and they're pretty heavy hitting roles, so, so get that in

4340
03:30:04,005 --> 03:30:06,485
and rolling and we can revisit the

4341
03:30:06,485 --> 03:30:08,605
additional modules in the future.

4342
03:30:09,265 --> 03:30:12,885
You have some outside integrations right now

4343
03:30:13,465 --> 03:30:16,765
or some other departments that have their own software.

4344
03:30:16,865 --> 03:30:18,525
So if, if it ever comes into house,

4345
03:30:18,545 --> 03:30:21,285
we can have future discussions to expand it.

4346
03:30:23,295 --> 03:30:24,685
Clerk Lawrence? Yeah,

4347
03:30:24,725 --> 03:30:26,765
I was just gonna say the other thing that we talked about

4348
03:30:26,765 --> 03:30:30,405
with this is the zoning

4349
03:30:31,145 --> 03:30:33,725
and ordinance enforcement is often some

4350
03:30:33,725 --> 03:30:35,725
of the heaviest foyate areas as well.

4351
03:30:35,985 --> 03:30:39,845
And so I think we're gonna be able to reduce resident costs

4352
03:30:39,905 --> 03:30:44,565
to FOIA with software that's more easily accessible.

4353
03:30:44,585 --> 03:30:47,765
So a lot of the cost that goes into when somebody FOIAs

4354
03:30:47,925 --> 03:30:51,565
documents is how those documents get obtained, whether

4355
03:30:51,565 --> 03:30:53,965
that requires it support, whether

4356
03:30:53,965 --> 03:30:56,525
that requires attorney support, et cetera.

4357
03:30:56,905 --> 03:31:00,285
And you know, I I would like to lower that barrier

4358
03:31:00,425 --> 03:31:02,085
to entry for information.

4359
03:31:02,305 --> 03:31:05,965
So if we can make things cheaper for information

4360
03:31:06,025 --> 03:31:09,245
to be more easily available, I think that

4361
03:31:09,825 --> 03:31:11,125
that's our responsibility

4362
03:31:11,705 --> 03:31:13,885
and I believe this would also help us with that.

4363
03:31:15,985 --> 03:31:18,365
Any further board comments, questions?

4364
03:31:19,835 --> 03:31:23,365
Yeah. So the total annual under the car package would be

4365
03:31:23,365 --> 03:31:24,685
48 90, is that correct?

4366
03:31:24,735 --> 03:31:28,605
48 90 equates to about 72 and a half cents a parcel a

4367
03:31:28,605 --> 03:31:29,405
Year. Yeah, that, yeah. Alright.

4368
03:31:29,465 --> 03:31:33,045
Yep. And then there's the integration fee is the $1,500

4369
03:31:33,945 --> 03:31:34,945
One time.

4370
03:31:34,945 --> 03:31:37,205
Yep. So I, I've already started working with Tom on some

4371
03:31:37,205 --> 03:31:39,765
of it, made some improvements for him that he wanted

4372
03:31:39,765 --> 03:31:43,445
to see immediately and then we've gotta build out some

4373
03:31:43,445 --> 03:31:44,725
ordinances behind it

4374
03:31:45,265 --> 03:31:48,725
and he'll be able to generate his letters, his notices

4375
03:31:49,195 --> 03:31:51,165
with quick efficiency once that's done

4376
03:31:51,755 --> 03:31:53,085
Pending a motion at this time.

4377
03:31:53,515 --> 03:31:55,245
Yeah, templates and letters and,

4378
03:31:55,465 --> 03:31:56,725
and it will be really helpful.

4379
03:31:56,825 --> 03:31:59,205
And, and one last thing that I'd like to leave the board

4380
03:31:59,205 --> 03:32:03,085
with is that when we're working with residents, the goal is

4381
03:32:03,085 --> 03:32:05,085
to have multiple means of communication

4382
03:32:05,105 --> 03:32:06,525
and be able to document that

4383
03:32:06,825 --> 03:32:08,205
and then be able to work with them.

4384
03:32:08,305 --> 03:32:09,325
So send them a letter

4385
03:32:09,745 --> 03:32:12,005
and then be able to send them an extension

4386
03:32:12,265 --> 03:32:15,245
and then show workability like, hey look, this is the thing,

4387
03:32:15,435 --> 03:32:16,445
this is the ordinance.

4388
03:32:16,585 --> 03:32:18,565
How can we work with you to achieve a goal

4389
03:32:18,745 --> 03:32:21,005
and then work together and have the software track it.

4390
03:32:21,195 --> 03:32:22,925
Okay. I, I think it's pretty clear. Clear.

4391
03:32:22,985 --> 03:32:24,725
I'd like to make a motion that we proceed

4392
03:32:24,725 --> 03:32:26,205
with the Civic Assure Agreement

4393
03:32:26,835 --> 03:32:27,835
Support board.

4394
03:32:28,155 --> 03:32:31,285
Oops. Motion made by Trustee Hart.

4395
03:32:31,515 --> 03:32:35,005
Supported by Clerk Lawrence.

4396
03:32:35,705 --> 03:32:38,845
All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes.

4397
03:32:40,065 --> 03:32:43,325
All right. And then the last thing on my list is the sewer

4398
03:32:43,325 --> 03:32:44,645
connection At Township Hall.

4399
03:32:44,905 --> 03:32:49,445
We, when the township purchased this property, it was owned

4400
03:32:49,505 --> 03:32:52,205
by somebody else with a restaurant in conjunction

4401
03:32:52,465 --> 03:32:54,605
to perhaps this was a banquet hall

4402
03:32:57,545 --> 03:33:00,045
and there is an easement for the sewer.

4403
03:33:00,945 --> 03:33:03,245
It has been confirmed by the township engineer

4404
03:33:03,245 --> 03:33:06,485
that there is a negative grade on the sewer line.

4405
03:33:07,065 --> 03:33:09,605
So it's got negative pitch in a spot

4406
03:33:10,115 --> 03:33:11,925
towards the Speedway gas station.

4407
03:33:12,595 --> 03:33:16,405
What happens when stuff mixes from Township Hall in,

4408
03:33:16,465 --> 03:33:18,445
in the adjacent parcel is

4409
03:33:18,445 --> 03:33:20,765
that the township hall bathrooms back up

4410
03:33:20,765 --> 03:33:21,805
right through the floor drain.

4411
03:33:22,225 --> 03:33:25,005
And so right now we have a maintenance

4412
03:33:25,685 --> 03:33:27,165
program with Clean Earth.

4413
03:33:27,965 --> 03:33:32,005
I was told previously that we had a maintenance agreement

4414
03:33:32,515 --> 03:33:36,765
with the other parcel as well as ability for like,

4415
03:33:36,785 --> 03:33:38,365
not only maintenance but repair.

4416
03:33:39,085 --> 03:33:40,645
The other individual was outta the country.

4417
03:33:40,705 --> 03:33:41,965
So I wasn't able to speak with him.

4418
03:33:41,965 --> 03:33:43,485
Finally, when I did talk to him,

4419
03:33:43,685 --> 03:33:45,405
township Hall was bought as is.

4420
03:33:45,405 --> 03:33:47,885
There's no maintenance program, there's no agreement.

4421
03:33:48,295 --> 03:33:52,405
There is just a quote that was on the desk, kind

4422
03:33:52,405 --> 03:33:53,565
of similar to the driveway.

4423
03:33:54,125 --> 03:33:56,205
There was a quote for the sewer repair.

4424
03:33:56,205 --> 03:33:59,645
At that time it was $13,000. It was from last fall.

4425
03:34:00,055 --> 03:34:03,805
Right now it is in the $15,000 range.

4426
03:34:04,505 --> 03:34:07,685
And I would not be opposed, this is kind of similar

4427
03:34:07,825 --> 03:34:09,725
to the driveway we're running out of time.

4428
03:34:10,505 --> 03:34:13,485
The maintenance program with Clean Earth, it's

4429
03:34:14,245 --> 03:34:16,805
whenever it needs to happen, sometimes quarterly,

4430
03:34:17,035 --> 03:34:21,285
sometimes maybe a little bit, you know, semi-annually

4431
03:34:22,395 --> 03:34:24,805
that cost to repair and

4432
03:34:24,985 --> 03:34:26,445
or that cost to maintain

4433
03:34:26,995 --> 03:34:30,965
that sewer connection is less than it would be to repair it.

4434
03:34:31,585 --> 03:34:34,485
But the problem is, is that there's a negative grade

4435
03:34:34,945 --> 03:34:37,605
and the, and the pipes are, are kind of kinked up.

4436
03:34:37,865 --> 03:34:39,005
And we live in Michigan.

4437
03:34:39,585 --> 03:34:44,245
So if we decide to not repair that line out of the sake

4438
03:34:44,245 --> 03:34:45,605
of saving money when it breaks

4439
03:34:45,985 --> 03:34:48,965
and township hall isn't open with bathrooms for staff

4440
03:34:49,385 --> 03:34:52,605
or a public meeting, I just wanted to bring this forward

4441
03:34:52,605 --> 03:34:55,565
to the board transparently that there has not been,

4442
03:34:56,495 --> 03:34:59,565
there is no agreement with the adjacent property owner

4443
03:35:00,825 --> 03:35:02,965
as the way that the concessions were made when the

4444
03:35:02,965 --> 03:35:04,325
township purchased the building.

4445
03:35:04,325 --> 03:35:08,205
There is a, a repair eaves met, I did just

4446
03:35:08,345 --> 03:35:11,085
for good due diligence, look into our own line.

4447
03:35:11,745 --> 03:35:14,645
And that is beyond the cost of this, you're talking 70

4448
03:35:14,705 --> 03:35:16,405
to a hundred thousand dollars.

4449
03:35:16,985 --> 03:35:19,605
So, you know, outta the sake of just, you know,

4450
03:35:19,605 --> 03:35:21,165
getting our own line to spend more money,

4451
03:35:21,465 --> 03:35:25,805
we could repair this one for $15,410

4452
03:35:26,305 --> 03:35:29,565
and be a whole lot better off than we would be

4453
03:35:30,145 --> 03:35:31,605
to put a new line in.

4454
03:35:32,665 --> 03:35:34,725
We can roll the dice and just keep spending money

4455
03:35:34,725 --> 03:35:36,205
with Clean Earth and Roto-Rooter.

4456
03:35:36,385 --> 03:35:37,605
We have to jet the line,

4457
03:35:38,185 --> 03:35:40,245
but then if it backs up in the bathroom, we have

4458
03:35:40,245 --> 03:35:41,645
to have Roto-Rooter.

4459
03:35:41,985 --> 03:35:43,725
And probably within less than a week

4460
03:35:43,725 --> 03:35:46,685
of having my supervisor duties that happened,

4461
03:35:46,945 --> 03:35:48,565
it came up from the bathroom floor

4462
03:35:48,585 --> 03:35:49,845
and it was like, okay,

4463
03:35:50,185 --> 03:35:52,845
so I just wanna put this in the board's hands that

4464
03:35:53,585 --> 03:35:56,365
at some point if it does decide to break in the middle

4465
03:35:56,365 --> 03:36:00,045
of winter, if we don't address it, it was board decision.

4466
03:36:01,085 --> 03:36:02,085
Although I would love to save money

4467
03:36:03,065 --> 03:36:04,645
and not fix it, it's just inevitable.

4468
03:36:04,745 --> 03:36:08,565
We live in Michigan. But the, the quote comes from Valima

4469
03:36:08,665 --> 03:36:09,805
and then we worked with Prine

4470
03:36:09,805 --> 03:36:11,845
and New h our township engineer to confirm

4471
03:36:12,155 --> 03:36:13,365
that the line's broken.

4472
03:36:13,755 --> 03:36:15,685
Once again, this could be something

4473
03:36:15,955 --> 03:36:17,365
that the grant money goes towards.

4474
03:36:17,585 --> 03:36:19,285
We know that we have a confirmed

4475
03:36:20,005 --> 03:36:23,485
negative grade in a sewer line in in the township hall.

4476
03:36:23,985 --> 03:36:27,525
It is north of the parking lot that needs to be repaired.

4477
03:36:28,185 --> 03:36:31,205
So however we would wanna go about that if we wanna table it

4478
03:36:31,205 --> 03:36:32,845
for the next board meeting for discussion.

4479
03:36:33,325 --> 03:36:36,925
But we are likely running outta numbers on this

4480
03:36:37,165 --> 03:36:38,805
'cause likely the price is gonna go up.

4481
03:36:39,245 --> 03:36:41,285
I can imagine if it's an emergency repair

4482
03:36:41,925 --> 03:36:43,405
probably be maybe four times more.

4483
03:36:44,305 --> 03:36:47,165
So I'll start with you Joe, on, on what you think.

4484
03:36:47,395 --> 03:36:49,685
What was the clean earth repair cost?

4485
03:36:51,835 --> 03:36:53,725
It's about a thousand dollars for jetting

4486
03:36:53,845 --> 03:36:56,365
and it was about $500 for 15.

4487
03:36:56,905 --> 03:37:00,805
Yep. Please no comment sir.

4488
03:37:02,755 --> 03:37:04,125
Yeah, I mean if it's, if

4489
03:37:04,125 --> 03:37:05,485
that's a fact that's going the wrong way.

4490
03:37:05,485 --> 03:37:07,005
My dad was a pipe fitter for 40 years

4491
03:37:07,005 --> 03:37:08,205
and you know, he will use to say

4492
03:37:08,205 --> 03:37:09,565
certain stuff doesn't run a pill.

4493
03:37:10,825 --> 03:37:14,165
So I mean, to me you keep pushing, pushing,

4494
03:37:14,235 --> 03:37:15,605
kicking the can down the road.

4495
03:37:15,755 --> 03:37:17,325
It's gonna keep costing you over and over

4496
03:37:17,425 --> 03:37:19,965
and things don't get better

4497
03:37:19,965 --> 03:37:22,365
before they get worse in this sort of situation.

4498
03:37:22,465 --> 03:37:25,125
So I would be more supportive

4499
03:37:25,125 --> 03:37:27,925
of getting it fixed than I would be repairing it

4500
03:37:28,025 --> 03:37:31,125
or doing maintenance on it over and over and over.

4501
03:37:31,595 --> 03:37:34,245
Okay. If it's gonna fix the issue and,

4502
03:37:34,825 --> 03:37:36,045
and get the grade going down

4503
03:37:36,305 --> 03:37:38,325
In, in confirmation from the engineer was

4504
03:37:38,325 --> 03:37:39,685
to fix the grade properly

4505
03:37:39,745 --> 03:37:42,005
and the pitch of the pipe to the sewer connection

4506
03:37:42,065 --> 03:37:43,525
and then we wouldn't need the clean earth.

4507
03:37:43,945 --> 03:37:47,405
So there is the, you know, the short term you can save money

4508
03:37:47,425 --> 03:37:49,165
and not repair it, but it's the,

4509
03:37:49,265 --> 03:37:53,605
but if when it breaks Trustee pay,

4510
03:37:54,065 --> 03:37:56,725
is this something too that should be taken into account when

4511
03:37:57,105 --> 03:37:59,605
and if we're gonna do the driveway, like does,

4512
03:37:59,635 --> 03:38:01,365
does this need to predate the driveway

4513
03:38:01,945 --> 03:38:04,005
so it's northbound Sure.

4514
03:38:04,235 --> 03:38:07,845
Past the dots in the parking lot of what township owns

4515
03:38:08,225 --> 03:38:10,005
and there is concessions with Nicos

4516
03:38:10,005 --> 03:38:12,405
because we have a legal easement for repair.

4517
03:38:13,155 --> 03:38:14,605
It's in their parking lot.

4518
03:38:15,465 --> 03:38:18,085
But the problem is, is that the way

4519
03:38:18,085 --> 03:38:19,445
that the township hall sits

4520
03:38:19,465 --> 03:38:22,005
and the way it happens is when they're a problem

4521
03:38:22,435 --> 03:38:23,485
they don't experience it.

4522
03:38:24,065 --> 03:38:25,165
We do. Sure. I'm saying

4523
03:38:25,165 --> 03:38:27,085
that when we are gonna work on the driveway, correct?

4524
03:38:27,085 --> 03:38:28,925
Yep. We have to tear the driveway up. Yep.

4525
03:38:28,925 --> 03:38:31,165
That was thought about. That's, this is kinda can be,

4526
03:38:31,475 --> 03:38:34,685
it's a separate part of the driveway where our easement is

4527
03:38:34,945 --> 03:38:36,085
to our pipe, to our connection.

4528
03:38:36,145 --> 03:38:38,365
But not in our parking lot that we're gonna be repairing.

4529
03:38:38,545 --> 03:38:40,445
But it is a good idea, you know, obviously.

4530
03:38:40,555 --> 03:38:42,685
Okay, so they could be done separately then? They could.

4531
03:38:43,355 --> 03:38:45,725
Okay. Yeah. All right.

4532
03:38:45,725 --> 03:38:48,565
Yeah, I mean that's my only concern was

4533
03:38:48,565 --> 03:38:49,725
that is this something that could be done

4534
03:38:49,725 --> 03:38:50,805
at a different time or not?

4535
03:38:51,035 --> 03:38:53,765
Obviously this is something that we should take care

4536
03:38:53,765 --> 03:38:54,845
of sooner rather than later.

4537
03:38:56,745 --> 03:38:58,285
That's all I have right now. Thank you.

4538
03:38:58,725 --> 03:39:00,565
Treasure Bloomfield, tell us about those restaurants

4539
03:39:00,565 --> 03:39:02,285
and pipes and things.

4540
03:39:02,285 --> 03:39:03,365
You know, I'm

4541
03:39:03,365 --> 03:39:05,285
Just wondering if I should abstain sitting over here.

4542
03:39:07,225 --> 03:39:08,925
We need the toilet to flush Sandy.

4543
03:39:09,945 --> 03:39:11,405
I'm sitting here looking at the bid date

4544
03:39:11,405 --> 03:39:13,725
and it's 10 31 25 trick or treat.

4545
03:39:15,345 --> 03:39:17,725
So they did revisit that this fall.

4546
03:39:18,395 --> 03:39:22,125
Okay, so, so my next question that that's why I, I believe

4547
03:39:22,285 --> 03:39:23,645
that the quote changed in numbers

4548
03:39:23,745 --> 03:39:25,405
but they probably didn't change the date.

4549
03:39:25,405 --> 03:39:27,765
Okay. I could get up, you know, confirm one more time.

4550
03:39:28,225 --> 03:39:29,645
So my next question is,

4551
03:39:30,545 --> 03:39:33,085
if we're talking about maybe the possibility

4552
03:39:33,125 --> 03:39:37,245
of redoing the whole parking lot, I would say that I would

4553
03:39:38,175 --> 03:39:39,805
maybe revisit this bid

4554
03:39:40,505 --> 03:39:43,765
and whoever does our parking lot does this all at the same

4555
03:39:43,765 --> 03:39:46,045
time because there would be a cost savings there,

4556
03:39:48,105 --> 03:39:50,365
But this isn't, I know it isn't our parking lot,

4557
03:39:50,385 --> 03:39:53,205
but I'm saying instead of having the person

4558
03:39:53,345 --> 03:39:55,445
who does their asphalt for this come out,

4559
03:39:55,825 --> 03:39:58,285
we have the same person come out and do it all.

4560
03:39:59,235 --> 03:40:01,005
Yeah, I just think the only thing about it is,

4561
03:40:01,025 --> 03:40:02,245
is probably being a sewer line

4562
03:40:02,245 --> 03:40:03,565
that's probably got a trench box

4563
03:40:03,585 --> 03:40:06,525
and it's probably like that kind of excavator might not,

4564
03:40:06,665 --> 03:40:07,685
we could look into it certainly.

4565
03:40:07,685 --> 03:40:11,605
Right? But it's an idea. Treasurer Clerk Lawrence.

4566
03:40:14,765 --> 03:40:18,325
I think that my experience with plumbing is

4567
03:40:18,325 --> 03:40:20,685
that it's never not, it's never gotten better

4568
03:40:21,755 --> 03:40:22,845
without repair.

4569
03:40:23,065 --> 03:40:27,125
And I hate plumbing. So I, I would

4570
03:40:28,095 --> 03:40:30,005
think that it needs to get fixed.

4571
03:40:30,195 --> 03:40:33,925
Like I think that costs of things are only increasing

4572
03:40:34,185 --> 03:40:36,685
and it's gonna cost us more.

4573
03:40:37,245 --> 03:40:42,125
I would rather not have the bathrooms back up with sewage.

4574
03:40:42,605 --> 03:40:44,605
I just think that's a disservice to everyone.

4575
03:40:44,705 --> 03:40:46,365
And we'd have a problem if

4576
03:40:46,365 --> 03:40:47,445
we couldn't have a public meeting.

4577
03:40:48,825 --> 03:40:51,485
And in the time that it did back up, it was on a day

4578
03:40:51,485 --> 03:40:54,205
of a public meeting, we only had T minus not too long.

4579
03:40:54,265 --> 03:40:56,845
And then we had our staff in, in the bathroom.

4580
03:40:57,025 --> 03:40:58,725
So Trustee Amos just

4581
03:40:58,825 --> 03:40:59,825
Fix it.

4582
03:41:01,235 --> 03:41:05,845
Trustee art With

4583
03:41:06,085 --> 03:41:07,925
Michigan's freeze thaw cycle.

4584
03:41:09,185 --> 03:41:11,245
Do we have any con do we need to have any concern

4585
03:41:12,115 --> 03:41:13,685
with a freeze, a break

4586
03:41:14,385 --> 03:41:17,205
and now raw sewage making its way to the Kalamazoo River?

4587
03:41:18,505 --> 03:41:20,005
Indeed we do. And that's why I wanted

4588
03:41:20,005 --> 03:41:22,565
to bring this forward because it, you know, it's not up

4589
03:41:22,565 --> 03:41:24,205
to me if or when it breaks.

4590
03:41:24,755 --> 03:41:27,085
It's kinda like I know that it's negative grade

4591
03:41:27,385 --> 03:41:28,845
and I know we live in Michigan

4592
03:41:29,385 --> 03:41:31,125
and you know, that's where we're at.

4593
03:41:31,145 --> 03:41:34,525
So, good point. I I I didn't think about the proximity

4594
03:41:34,585 --> 03:41:37,045
to raw sewage to the river, but you make a very good point.

4595
03:41:38,255 --> 03:41:39,255
Clerk Lawrence.

4596
03:41:40,235 --> 03:41:42,605
Yeah, I would like to see us fix it,

4597
03:41:43,265 --> 03:41:47,205
but I do like the idea of trying a bid with,

4598
03:41:47,585 --> 03:41:48,925
if we're gonna do the driveway,

4599
03:41:48,925 --> 03:41:50,085
like what would that look like?

4600
03:41:50,305 --> 03:41:52,445
So I don't know if we wanna make a motion.

4601
03:41:53,445 --> 03:41:54,685
I don't know how we wanna go about that.

4602
03:41:54,785 --> 03:41:56,525
And maybe it's not a motion for tonight,

4603
03:41:57,505 --> 03:41:58,925
but I think it probably needs to get fixed.

4604
03:41:59,345 --> 03:42:04,045
We did just engage in a, a, a sewer agreement

4605
03:42:04,155 --> 03:42:05,285
with a local business

4606
03:42:05,425 --> 03:42:08,005
and this contractor actively is working

4607
03:42:08,035 --> 03:42:10,005
with the local business under our agreement

4608
03:42:10,035 --> 03:42:11,325
that Attorney Thaw provided.

4609
03:42:11,585 --> 03:42:14,845
So our engineer has direct contact actively with them.

4610
03:42:16,105 --> 03:42:18,285
So I have a point of contact that can get right to him.

4611
03:42:18,385 --> 03:42:20,765
So if we would wanna make a broad motion,

4612
03:42:20,865 --> 03:42:25,245
if we wanna wait till October 5th, you know, it's, it's up

4613
03:42:25,245 --> 03:42:27,205
to you guys on how, I don't know if there's a way

4614
03:42:27,205 --> 03:42:29,165
to do a phased motion attorney

4615
03:42:29,195 --> 03:42:30,405
thal, would there be any way to,

4616
03:42:30,675 --> 03:42:31,675
I'll make a motion.

4617
03:42:32,365 --> 03:42:37,285
I move that we continue with the repair if and when needed

4618
03:42:37,785 --> 03:42:41,485
and that we table any other work until October 5th.

4619
03:42:46,225 --> 03:42:47,685
He got me on that one, Kurt.

4620
03:42:49,625 --> 03:42:53,205
So anybody picking up what he's laying down?

4621
03:42:57,355 --> 03:43:01,005
Yeah, I He's just saying that don't, not gonna do anything.

4622
03:43:01,155 --> 03:43:02,765
Just table it. October 5th

4623
03:43:03,995 --> 03:43:06,805
Well table it but also give approval to you

4624
03:43:06,825 --> 03:43:09,245
to be make a repair if it happens tomorrow. Yeah.

4625
03:43:09,345 --> 03:43:13,045
Oh I see what you're saying. I gotcha. So yeah. Okay.

4626
03:43:14,265 --> 03:43:18,845
Motion made by Trustee Hart. Supported by Trustee Paver.

4627
03:43:19,225 --> 03:43:23,845
All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes.

4628
03:43:26,585 --> 03:43:28,885
All right, that's it on my part.

4629
03:43:29,625 --> 03:43:31,005
Thanks for bearing with me guys.

4630
03:43:31,105 --> 03:43:34,445
Our next meeting is scheduled October 5th, so we won't have

4631
03:43:34,445 --> 03:43:35,885
so much time in between a board meeting.

4632
03:43:36,065 --> 03:43:38,445
So thank you very much for your patience.

4633
03:43:38,905 --> 03:43:40,605
Moving along to finance, we have reports.

4634
03:43:40,625 --> 03:43:44,925
We have cash summary by fund July, 2026, cash summary

4635
03:43:45,105 --> 03:43:49,925
by bank account July, 2026, fire Department, August, 2026,

4636
03:43:50,245 --> 03:43:53,445
incident report, informational and future action items.

4637
03:43:53,585 --> 03:43:54,645
We have FOIA request.

4638
03:43:54,895 --> 03:43:57,285
We're moving along to public comments on agenda

4639
03:43:57,345 --> 03:43:58,405
and non agenda items.

4640
03:43:59,005 --> 03:44:00,605
A citizen may state their name and address

4641
03:44:00,665 --> 03:44:03,205
and may speak going one time no more than three minutes.

4642
03:44:03,595 --> 03:44:04,885
This time may not be given

4643
03:44:04,905 --> 03:44:06,605
to another citizen to extend their time.

4644
03:44:06,705 --> 03:44:08,245
The person speaking has the floor.

4645
03:44:09,305 --> 03:44:11,645
No citizen shall speak during someone else's time.

4646
03:44:12,385 --> 03:44:14,205
During this time you'll be making statements

4647
03:44:14,205 --> 03:44:16,645
to the board without discussion from board members.

4648
03:44:16,705 --> 03:44:18,045
But you're welcome to make an appointment

4649
03:44:18,045 --> 03:44:19,725
with the supervisor to discuss your comments.

4650
03:44:19,725 --> 03:44:22,725
Further contact information is located by the door.

4651
03:44:22,725 --> 03:44:24,645
Please keep comments, clean and respectful.

4652
03:44:29,005 --> 03:44:31,845
I guess I, I guess I should have read the agenda a little

4653
03:44:31,845 --> 03:44:34,685
better because I should have would've liked

4654
03:44:34,685 --> 03:44:36,565
to have talked about this before you actually voted on

4655
03:44:36,565 --> 03:44:39,245
accepting the insurance renewal.

4656
03:44:40,785 --> 03:44:43,965
Yes, I think we need to protect our firefighters

4657
03:44:43,965 --> 03:44:45,045
because they protect us.

4658
03:44:46,075 --> 03:44:49,885
However, I would like to see,

4659
03:44:50,705 --> 03:44:52,325
and I don't know if this is even feasible,

4660
03:44:52,985 --> 03:44:55,485
the fire department to get their a hundred percent coverage

4661
03:44:57,645 --> 03:45:00,285
possibly for the full-time 80 20 for part-time,

4662
03:45:03,215 --> 03:45:06,245
which would give them incentive to want to go full-time.

4663
03:45:07,305 --> 03:45:12,085
But also for our non Comstock employees

4664
03:45:13,275 --> 03:45:14,485
have it being 80 20.

4665
03:45:15,915 --> 03:45:19,605
Most businesses nowadays are 80 20. Very few.

4666
03:45:19,665 --> 03:45:21,765
Do you find that they're a hundred percent,

4667
03:45:24,275 --> 03:45:26,125
like I said, I think the fire department,

4668
03:45:26,835 --> 03:45:31,125
because they do, he gave statistics on their increased

4669
03:45:31,195 --> 03:45:33,925
chances of cancer and different types of things.

4670
03:45:34,825 --> 03:45:38,165
The a hundred percent is a warranted thing

4671
03:45:38,165 --> 03:45:41,645
for the fire department, not necessarily for

4672
03:45:42,745 --> 03:45:46,285
the non firefighter employees.

4673
03:45:47,145 --> 03:45:51,805
That's what I got. Thank you ma'am.

4674
03:45:54,225 --> 03:45:56,885
Let me put all my garbage down here. Okay.

4675
03:45:56,945 --> 03:45:59,365
You already know who I am except he doesn't.

4676
03:45:59,705 --> 03:46:02,285
I'm Jeannie Kissinger. I live on 3 22 Lawndale.

4677
03:46:03,235 --> 03:46:08,005
Okay, do not forget Mary Guus is

4678
03:46:08,005 --> 03:46:09,525
leaving at the end of this month.

4679
03:46:10,415 --> 03:46:13,085
She's been a very big part of Comstock Township

4680
03:46:13,865 --> 03:46:18,805
and she's retiring and I truthfully don't know

4681
03:46:18,805 --> 03:46:20,165
how we're gonna replace her

4682
03:46:20,985 --> 03:46:23,965
and the memory center is up for lease

4683
03:46:24,955 --> 03:46:28,765
because it was not bringing in enough capital to stay open.

4684
03:46:30,345 --> 03:46:34,925
The other thing, when you were talking about things

4685
03:46:35,145 --> 03:46:38,405
to be done in the community, we have a lot of people

4686
03:46:39,355 --> 03:46:41,965
that cannot afford new roofs,

4687
03:46:44,685 --> 03:46:47,245
siding on their houses or even to have 'em painted.

4688
03:46:48,345 --> 03:46:51,325
And we're talking my aging over

4689
03:46:54,155 --> 03:46:58,405
like down on celery and that area.

4690
03:46:58,815 --> 03:47:00,325
There are a lot of people down there

4691
03:47:00,835 --> 03:47:02,645
that can't afford to fix their houses.

4692
03:47:04,265 --> 03:47:07,845
It would be great to see if you could take somebody like

4693
03:47:07,945 --> 03:47:10,365
say, okay, I'm just gonna use this.

4694
03:47:11,035 --> 03:47:13,285
Take somebody outta the jail

4695
03:47:14,705 --> 03:47:17,285
and make them a team and put 'em to work.

4696
03:47:17,635 --> 03:47:20,045
Come stock my, pay 'em a little bit under the table.

4697
03:47:20,985 --> 03:47:24,565
But that's there. No, just listen you, you're giving me

4698
03:47:24,565 --> 03:47:29,125
that look there just a little bit like a couple bucks

4699
03:47:29,225 --> 03:47:31,965
or something to do this as community service

4700
03:47:34,115 --> 03:47:35,525
because people can't do it.

4701
03:47:36,965 --> 03:47:39,205
I mean you look at Reggie and you see him

4702
03:47:39,865 --> 03:47:41,925
and you think, oh yeah, he's a strapping guy.

4703
03:47:42,115 --> 03:47:45,565
Okay, Reggie's got a back that's sitting tilted right now

4704
03:47:45,955 --> 03:47:48,165
that we don't know how much longer it's gonna go.

4705
03:47:48,355 --> 03:47:49,605
Plus he only has one kidney

4706
03:47:50,825 --> 03:47:53,165
so he can't do everything he used to do.

4707
03:47:54,505 --> 03:47:56,805
And so when you look at us, you're thinking, oh God,

4708
03:47:56,805 --> 03:47:58,205
yeah they can still do everything.

4709
03:47:59,845 --> 03:48:02,605
I just had my angels here, do my sugar.

4710
03:48:02,885 --> 03:48:03,965
'cause my sugar's starting to fall

4711
03:48:04,205 --> 03:48:05,765
'cause it's 10 o'clock, I'm borderline.

4712
03:48:06,785 --> 03:48:10,645
And you know, it's like that you're looking at people

4713
03:48:10,705 --> 03:48:13,005
but you're not looking into the people.

4714
03:48:14,545 --> 03:48:15,725
You really need

4715
03:48:15,865 --> 03:48:18,645
to kinda broaden your horizons just a little bit.

4716
03:48:19,725 --> 03:48:22,645
I mean, I can talk to most of you one-on-one,

4717
03:48:23,355 --> 03:48:25,285
that one I've known since he's been this high.

4718
03:48:27,185 --> 03:48:30,365
But yeah, you just need to broaden your horizons

4719
03:48:30,465 --> 03:48:32,285
and listen just a little bit more

4720
03:48:32,875 --> 03:48:35,765
because there's so much that's needed out there.

4721
03:48:37,865 --> 03:48:41,205
That's all I've got to say. And I'm going home. Thank you.

4722
03:48:41,675 --> 03:48:42,885
Welcome. Feel

4723
03:48:42,885 --> 03:48:43,885
Better demon.

4724
03:48:44,075 --> 03:48:47,125
Goodbye. Hi sweetheart. Thank you. You're welcome.

4725
03:48:47,375 --> 03:48:52,245
Thank you. Hi, my name is Jessica Better.

4726
03:48:52,385 --> 03:48:53,525
I'm a CommSec resident.

4727
03:48:54,445 --> 03:48:56,365
I have been coming to these meetings

4728
03:48:56,505 --> 03:48:57,965
and to the meetings of the planning

4729
03:48:57,985 --> 03:49:01,725
and zoning board for over a year.

4730
03:49:01,985 --> 03:49:05,685
I'm, like I said, a, a newer member of cons.

4731
03:49:06,195 --> 03:49:09,885
This is the best meeting I have ever been to.

4732
03:49:10,305 --> 03:49:13,285
So I just wanna really give kudos to every single one

4733
03:49:13,285 --> 03:49:14,605
of you Amber.

4734
03:49:15,145 --> 03:49:16,365
The difference between you

4735
03:49:16,365 --> 03:49:18,205
and our prior clerk is literally crazy.

4736
03:49:18,705 --> 03:49:22,565
You. The way that you ask questions, look at people, speak

4737
03:49:22,745 --> 03:49:26,285
to people, really are delving into this

4738
03:49:26,585 --> 03:49:31,085
and showing how much you are outwardly to us

4739
03:49:31,145 --> 03:49:34,165
during meetings is just a shining difference.

4740
03:49:34,665 --> 03:49:37,645
No offense to the former, I just didn't see that there.

4741
03:49:38,755 --> 03:49:43,645
John, I I have been able to work with you on this side

4742
03:49:43,745 --> 03:49:45,645
so much and I'm so proud of you

4743
03:49:45,745 --> 03:49:48,605
and all of the amazing things that you said tonight.

4744
03:49:49,235 --> 03:49:51,365
Seriously, I could not be more happy

4745
03:49:51,395 --> 03:49:52,965
with the board that we have right now.

4746
03:49:53,345 --> 03:49:55,365
I'm really looking forward to speaking with some

4747
03:49:55,365 --> 03:49:56,685
of the board members that I don't know

4748
03:49:56,825 --> 03:49:59,245
and continuing to work with the ones that I do.

4749
03:50:00,205 --> 03:50:03,725
I did want to mention a little bit about what the

4750
03:50:04,235 --> 03:50:06,525
fire chief was talking about with the insurance

4751
03:50:06,525 --> 03:50:10,285
because that is a very, very huge deal coming from

4752
03:50:10,285 --> 03:50:13,605
where I come from and in the situation I was talking about

4753
03:50:13,605 --> 03:50:14,605
earlier, it it,

4754
03:50:14,605 --> 03:50:16,725
the first responders are absolutely the first people

4755
03:50:16,725 --> 03:50:17,965
that are going to be ill.

4756
03:50:18,355 --> 03:50:19,525
They are going to get cancer.

4757
03:50:19,715 --> 03:50:22,685
They are going to get many other things from lots

4758
03:50:22,685 --> 03:50:24,205
of contaminants that you don't even realize.

4759
03:50:24,585 --> 03:50:26,525
My father was a cleanup worker.

4760
03:50:26,675 --> 03:50:28,605
He's a lo a local three electrician

4761
03:50:28,605 --> 03:50:29,885
who cleaned up building five

4762
03:50:29,975 --> 03:50:33,805
after he has had prostate cancer re syndrome right now he

4763
03:50:33,805 --> 03:50:36,885
has PHI fasciitis, which is the hardening of the muscles.

4764
03:50:37,265 --> 03:50:38,845
And this is just from working in

4765
03:50:38,845 --> 03:50:40,685
that area around those things.

4766
03:50:40,745 --> 03:50:42,605
And these men clean up for them every day.

4767
03:50:42,745 --> 03:50:43,805
So I do agree with Karen.

4768
03:50:44,085 --> 03:50:46,605
I think that we should be giving them a hundred percent

4769
03:50:47,105 --> 03:50:50,165
and I want to thank them very much

4770
03:50:50,185 --> 03:50:51,405
for all of their hard work, I hope.

4771
03:50:51,405 --> 03:50:55,885
And nothing that I said earlier was distasteful towards 'em

4772
03:50:55,965 --> 03:50:57,365
'cause it has nothing to do with them whatsoever.

4773
03:50:57,505 --> 03:51:01,845
It all has to do with me not knowing a lot about our taxes

4774
03:51:02,025 --> 03:51:04,725
and why they are split up the way they are considering.

4775
03:51:04,725 --> 03:51:08,005
Again, I'm newer to the area. So I am very, very interested.

4776
03:51:08,525 --> 03:51:09,725
I have a great working relationship

4777
03:51:09,755 --> 03:51:11,765
with the firefighters on 26th Street.

4778
03:51:11,765 --> 03:51:15,845
Love them very much. I officer, I also love Officer Kyle

4779
03:51:16,025 --> 03:51:20,445
and I want more officers in our area.

4780
03:51:20,965 --> 03:51:23,045
I literally got locked out of my house last week

4781
03:51:23,385 --> 03:51:25,700
and was waving people down on East H Avenue.

4782
03:51:25,825 --> 03:51:28,125
He just so happened to be driving by

4783
03:51:28,145 --> 03:51:30,645
and helped me call my husband to come home

4784
03:51:30,645 --> 03:51:31,965
and get me into the house where my

4785
03:51:31,985 --> 03:51:33,085
2-year-old was in the crib.

4786
03:51:33,345 --> 03:51:37,085
So more of police officers, you know, would be great.

4787
03:51:37,305 --> 03:51:39,925
And I am definitely interested in looking into the tax

4788
03:51:40,245 --> 03:51:42,525
situation, but I'm so, so, so looking forward

4789
03:51:42,545 --> 03:51:43,885
to working with all of you.

4790
03:51:44,225 --> 03:51:46,725
And I just think that you're all doing a great job so far.

4791
03:51:46,825 --> 03:51:51,525
So kudos to you and looking forward to a better 2026.

4792
03:51:51,525 --> 03:51:53,485
2027. Thank you. Okay,

4793
03:52:01,635 --> 03:52:02,635
Good evening.

4794
03:52:02,635 --> 03:52:06,725
Tim Kearney, 94 11 Miller Drive. Welcome to you.

4795
03:52:06,725 --> 03:52:11,525
New board members. Glad to have you on board.

4796
03:52:13,075 --> 03:52:14,005
Just a couple things.

4797
03:52:18,525 --> 03:52:22,405
I hope that you're open minded and one minded

4798
03:52:22,585 --> 03:52:26,925
and we don't join a group again, we've seen too much

4799
03:52:28,425 --> 03:52:30,325
of the group aspects being teams.

4800
03:52:34,565 --> 03:52:37,525
I appreciate your comment about let the public talk about

4801
03:52:37,675 --> 03:52:39,285
some of these ideas for the money.

4802
03:52:39,875 --> 03:52:41,445
There's a lot of concepts.

4803
03:52:41,505 --> 03:52:43,845
I'm, I'm a, I've been telling everybody knows

4804
03:52:43,865 --> 03:52:44,965
I'm a licensed engineer.

4805
03:52:45,445 --> 03:52:50,085
I work for MSU, we've got a 5 0 1 C3 that we're working on,

4806
03:52:50,575 --> 03:52:54,005
which I,

4807
03:52:54,205 --> 03:52:57,725
I I believe it's required to get three quotes

4808
03:52:59,265 --> 03:53:02,765
on items, especially dealing with governmental

4809
03:53:02,985 --> 03:53:06,845
or especially with MSU on what, on projects

4810
03:53:06,845 --> 03:53:08,925
that you're doing to compromise

4811
03:53:09,105 --> 03:53:11,125
and have apples to apple comparisons.

4812
03:53:12,745 --> 03:53:15,485
So it just seems to me, I'm gonna speak directly

4813
03:53:15,505 --> 03:53:19,205
to the supervisor at this time that you're doing

4814
03:53:21,645 --> 03:53:22,725
probably more than you should.

4815
03:53:23,305 --> 03:53:25,525
And you should allow others of your teammates

4816
03:53:26,225 --> 03:53:28,525
to assist you in your duties.

4817
03:53:29,345 --> 03:53:31,205
I'd like you to remember that you work for us

4818
03:53:32,985 --> 03:53:36,845
and it feels a little bit, we, we, I'm sure you're aware

4819
03:53:36,875 --> 03:53:39,325
that some litigation is coming towards you

4820
03:53:41,345 --> 03:53:43,765
for some fast movement when I just wanted to talk to you.

4821
03:53:45,545 --> 03:53:47,485
And I'll also mention to this board

4822
03:53:47,515 --> 03:53:51,125
that some future litigation might come forward again

4823
03:53:51,125 --> 03:53:55,485
because I just tried to get ahold of the executive board

4824
03:53:55,485 --> 03:53:59,085
of the DDA to have some clarification as so

4825
03:53:59,085 --> 03:54:00,125
that the board has been

4826
03:54:02,355 --> 03:54:04,405
illegal at this time.

4827
03:54:05,385 --> 03:54:09,485
And that's also from the direct supervision

4828
03:54:10,065 --> 03:54:12,485
of the supervisor who appointed that board.

4829
03:54:13,225 --> 03:54:15,325
And my goal is not to bring litigation,

4830
03:54:15,385 --> 03:54:17,085
but I have deep pockets and I will,

4831
03:54:18,145 --> 03:54:21,205
and when I find wrong, I will take it to the, to the extent,

4832
03:54:23,655 --> 03:54:24,955
Ben, I've tried to work with you.

4833
03:54:24,955 --> 03:54:29,675
I voted for you. Please

4834
03:54:29,735 --> 03:54:31,115
sit back and let people help you.

4835
03:54:31,135 --> 03:54:32,755
And tr it sounds to me that

4836
03:54:32,755 --> 03:54:35,755
through this whole meeting about yourself and your goals

4837
03:54:35,815 --> 03:54:38,315
and your dreams, we watched this entire year,

4838
03:54:38,725 --> 03:54:40,995
money fly out of our pockets.

4839
03:54:40,995 --> 03:54:44,555
Going to paying to the superintendents, going to pay

4840
03:54:44,555 --> 03:54:46,635
for your pay raise, going to pay

4841
03:54:46,655 --> 03:54:49,915
for the fire department's needs, going to pay for you guys

4842
03:54:49,975 --> 03:54:51,555
to go look at all the best stuff.

4843
03:54:51,975 --> 03:54:53,035
That's all we see.

4844
03:54:53,095 --> 03:54:56,155
The perception is we're paying you guys all of our money

4845
03:54:56,215 --> 03:54:59,035
to go through and see all this stuff and pay it out.

4846
03:54:59,165 --> 03:55:00,795
We're not seeing the perception

4847
03:55:01,025 --> 03:55:02,635
that you care and work for us.

4848
03:55:03,365 --> 03:55:03,995
Thank you sir.

4849
03:55:10,585 --> 03:55:14,515
What a marathon. Dean Rockwell 81 78 FA Middle Trail.

4850
03:55:14,575 --> 03:55:19,475
Couple notes real quick from the county supervisor meetings.

4851
03:55:20,115 --> 03:55:21,155
I did pick up a handful

4852
03:55:21,295 --> 03:55:25,555
of printed foldable county roadmaps last week.

4853
03:55:25,575 --> 03:55:27,355
For those of you who still want 'em

4854
03:55:27,355 --> 03:55:31,315
or use 'em, the clerks have 'em behind the desks.

4855
03:55:32,475 --> 03:55:35,515
Consumers Energy wanted to remind Comstock residents

4856
03:55:35,745 --> 03:55:37,555
that if they're an active customer,

4857
03:55:37,785 --> 03:55:41,395
they can request a free energy assessment with a technician.

4858
03:55:41,645 --> 03:55:43,355
Takes about 90 minutes in your home

4859
03:55:43,415 --> 03:55:47,395
to propose energy saving methods in your home.

4860
03:55:47,535 --> 03:55:49,315
Assess energy is issues

4861
03:55:49,455 --> 03:55:52,275
and usage for your residents to curb costs,

4862
03:55:52,275 --> 03:55:53,515
which we've talked a lot about tonight.

4863
03:55:54,985 --> 03:55:56,915
Some people talked about, you know, home repairs.

4864
03:55:56,935 --> 03:55:58,675
So I just wanna remind all the residents

4865
03:55:58,675 --> 03:56:01,515
and those that are, will watch it later on that today.

4866
03:56:01,515 --> 03:56:03,995
Kalamazoo County opened applications today

4867
03:56:04,055 --> 03:56:07,755
for the 10.5 million housing millage homes for all.

4868
03:56:08,185 --> 03:56:11,555
There's six different categories, you know, from development

4869
03:56:12,055 --> 03:56:15,715
to owner occupied rehabilitation.

4870
03:56:15,735 --> 03:56:16,995
So I'd encourage anybody,

4871
03:56:18,015 --> 03:56:21,915
the portal is open from today all the way till October 23rd

4872
03:56:21,975 --> 03:56:23,955
at 5:00 PM where applications,

4873
03:56:24,015 --> 03:56:26,235
and this is grants so it doesn't have to be a match,

4874
03:56:26,495 --> 03:56:27,955
but there's six different categories

4875
03:56:27,975 --> 03:56:29,755
and if that, whether you're a developer

4876
03:56:29,775 --> 03:56:32,755
or just an owner occupied residents,

4877
03:56:32,835 --> 03:56:34,635
I would look at the Kalamazoo County portal

4878
03:56:34,975 --> 03:56:36,435
and use those resources.

4879
03:56:36,715 --> 03:56:39,875
'cause it can work towards help you

4880
03:56:39,875 --> 03:56:42,635
to remain safely in your home for critical repairs.

4881
03:56:45,115 --> 03:56:47,155
Directly after this, I'm gonna forward an email, all

4882
03:56:47,155 --> 03:56:49,675
of you there, the CEO

4883
03:56:49,775 --> 03:56:52,755
of Discover Kalamazoo sent an email to Ben

4884
03:56:52,755 --> 03:56:55,555
and I about some kayaking trips that have to do

4885
03:56:55,555 --> 03:56:56,595
with the Kalamazoo River.

4886
03:56:56,935 --> 03:56:58,195
But it was just to Ben and I.

4887
03:56:58,255 --> 03:57:00,515
So I will forward it all to you,

4888
03:57:00,695 --> 03:57:03,435
the board members afterwards, as they have a couple dates

4889
03:57:03,435 --> 03:57:05,195
that they would like to invite you all as

4890
03:57:05,915 --> 03:57:07,075
township board members.

4891
03:57:07,735 --> 03:57:09,835
But you can look at it and decide if you want.

4892
03:57:10,815 --> 03:57:13,235
That's everything. Just as far as deputy supervisor,

4893
03:57:13,545 --> 03:57:15,515
just on the personal note, just like some

4894
03:57:15,515 --> 03:57:18,475
of my neighbors on Fawn Meadow, obviously we,

4895
03:57:18,615 --> 03:57:20,155
the close proximity, you know,

4896
03:57:20,155 --> 03:57:22,685
to the best I understand it is what it is.

4897
03:57:22,825 --> 03:57:26,045
But for those of us that live there, yes, my home value,

4898
03:57:26,545 --> 03:57:29,325
the day after the Planning Commission vote,

4899
03:57:29,745 --> 03:57:32,165
my home value went down $13,000

4900
03:57:33,145 --> 03:57:34,965
in eight hours after that vote.

4901
03:57:35,265 --> 03:57:37,965
Or 3% of my property value overnight.

4902
03:57:38,225 --> 03:57:40,485
So yes, I understand township's gonna get money,

4903
03:57:40,865 --> 03:57:43,325
but for many of us that live that close to it,

4904
03:57:43,545 --> 03:57:45,245
it still is gonna have a personal impact,

4905
03:57:45,385 --> 03:57:46,525
you know, to us regardless.

4906
03:57:46,785 --> 03:57:48,645
But just like others have said,

4907
03:57:48,785 --> 03:57:52,725
and you captured well that voted along party lines,

4908
03:57:52,775 --> 03:57:55,245
56 Democrats voted in Lansing to do that.

4909
03:57:55,495 --> 03:57:58,485
52 Republicans voted against that

4910
03:57:58,485 --> 03:58:01,005
because not that me, even

4911
03:58:01,025 --> 03:58:04,205
as a Republican don't support green New deals.

4912
03:58:05,025 --> 03:58:06,525
But I do like townships

4913
03:58:06,545 --> 03:58:09,205
to retain control, which we don't have. Thanks a lot.

4914
03:58:09,855 --> 03:58:13,525
Thank you sir. Any further public comment.

4915
03:58:19,155 --> 03:58:20,725
John Dickman, township president.

4916
03:58:22,895 --> 03:58:24,285
After, right

4917
03:58:24,285 --> 03:58:27,285
after I made my remarks earlier, I realized that I,

4918
03:58:28,155 --> 03:58:31,725
they may have been disparaging to a certain political party.

4919
03:58:32,075 --> 03:58:33,925
That was not my intent.

4920
03:58:34,825 --> 03:58:36,965
My intent was to point out

4921
03:58:37,075 --> 03:58:40,845
that PA 2 33 was basically RAM rotted through.

4922
03:58:41,175 --> 03:58:43,685
There wasn't anything anybody else could do about it.

4923
03:58:43,895 --> 03:58:45,805
There was a grand scheme behind it.

4924
03:58:46,825 --> 03:58:50,045
And I could even back those comments up

4925
03:58:50,045 --> 03:58:53,725
because a gal I went to high school

4926
03:58:53,835 --> 03:58:57,165
with is a township clerk in Kent County

4927
03:58:57,705 --> 03:59:00,485
and they're having the same issues that we are.

4928
03:59:00,485 --> 03:59:04,245
They're, everybody is just dumping the stuff on 'em

4929
03:59:04,245 --> 03:59:06,045
and there's not a lot they can do with it.

4930
03:59:06,585 --> 03:59:10,765
And back to what Ben had brought up,

4931
03:59:12,155 --> 03:59:14,525
yeah, they're looking at the example

4932
03:59:14,525 --> 03:59:16,085
that Comstock Township set

4933
03:59:16,085 --> 03:59:17,445
and I think we can be proud of that.

4934
03:59:19,185 --> 03:59:21,285
Number two is, I wanna say

4935
03:59:21,285 --> 03:59:24,125
that this is probably the best board meeting

4936
03:59:24,155 --> 03:59:25,645
that I have sat through.

4937
03:59:26,955 --> 03:59:30,245
It's refreshing to see everybody asking questions,

4938
03:59:30,405 --> 03:59:33,245
working together, swapping ideas.

4939
03:59:34,115 --> 03:59:36,925
It's frankly, it was impressive.

4940
03:59:38,665 --> 03:59:42,245
My last comment, the whole reason I came down here this

4941
03:59:42,245 --> 03:59:45,925
evening to begin with the hunt at McLendon Nature Trails.

4942
03:59:47,045 --> 03:59:48,765
A lot of people don't agree with hunting.

4943
03:59:49,925 --> 03:59:53,165
A lot of people don't agree with the use of

4944
03:59:54,955 --> 03:59:58,285
sportsmen versus a wildlife management company

4945
03:59:58,385 --> 03:59:59,565
to do something like this.

4946
04:00:00,835 --> 04:00:04,685
They want the, they like wildlife management companies

4947
04:00:04,685 --> 04:00:07,205
because they're insured their bond and blah, blah, blah.

4948
04:00:08,185 --> 04:00:13,005
That's fine. It really doesn't matter who or what does that.

4949
04:00:13,465 --> 04:00:16,845
But Ben, again, I know the same, I know the farmer,

4950
04:00:17,065 --> 04:00:19,445
I'm a little more intimate with him than you are,

4951
04:00:20,105 --> 04:00:23,765
and his crop losses are just ridiculous.

4952
04:00:25,065 --> 04:00:26,125
And in the time

4953
04:00:26,125 --> 04:00:28,805
that I've spent back in there helping him out,

4954
04:00:29,625 --> 04:00:32,685
the browse line is seven feet in the air.

4955
04:00:32,945 --> 04:00:37,725
That's where the deer go up to eat branches

4956
04:00:38,025 --> 04:00:41,605
and leaves and stuff like that off during the wintertime,

4957
04:00:42,765 --> 04:00:46,365
a deer's digestive system adapts to summer and winter diets.

4958
04:00:47,185 --> 04:00:49,565
And when you're browsing seven feet in the air,

4959
04:00:49,775 --> 04:00:51,525
there ain't no way that forest is ever

4960
04:00:51,525 --> 04:00:52,685
gonna regenerate itself.

4961
04:00:53,145 --> 04:00:55,485
And a forest that doesn't regenerate itself,

4962
04:00:56,235 --> 04:00:58,165
doesn't protect the watershed.

4963
04:00:58,465 --> 04:01:00,565
And if it doesn't protect the watershed,

4964
04:01:00,945 --> 04:01:02,685
it doesn't protect the wellheads,

4965
04:01:02,935 --> 04:01:05,005
which don't protect the water supply.

4966
04:01:05,495 --> 04:01:08,685
Which in that area where I actually happen to live,

4967
04:01:09,705 --> 04:01:11,965
the water supply is iffy at best

4968
04:01:11,965 --> 04:01:14,605
because that's the PFAS zone of interest.

4969
04:01:15,305 --> 04:01:17,965
So yeah, let 'em have at it. Thanks.

4970
04:01:18,135 --> 04:01:20,565
Thank you, sir. Any further?

4971
04:01:20,565 --> 04:01:25,325
Citizen comment, if not be moving along

4972
04:01:25,385 --> 04:01:26,525
to members' comments.

4973
04:01:26,555 --> 04:01:27,485
Trustee Hart.

4974
04:01:31,275 --> 04:01:33,765
Trustee Hart, do you have any comments for us?

4975
04:01:34,235 --> 04:01:36,405
Nothing further, thank you Trustee

4976
04:01:36,675 --> 04:01:40,205
Amos. Well,

4977
04:01:40,205 --> 04:01:41,725
There was a comment, I'm sorry.

4978
04:01:41,775 --> 04:01:44,645
Thank you. There was a comment about the,

4979
04:01:44,785 --> 04:01:46,485
the best system and about money.

4980
04:01:46,795 --> 04:01:49,005
This, when we fought the best system,

4981
04:01:49,305 --> 04:01:50,485
it was never about money.

4982
04:01:51,305 --> 04:01:53,445
It was about what was good for the township.

4983
04:01:53,545 --> 04:01:55,525
And I just want you to totally understand that.

4984
04:01:55,585 --> 04:01:58,845
And some of us went to the meeting and went to cold water

4985
04:01:58,865 --> 04:02:00,485
and everything and we didn't get paid for it.

4986
04:02:01,905 --> 04:02:04,165
We, we did this for the township and not for us.

4987
04:02:04,185 --> 04:02:05,525
We fought it as much as we could.

4988
04:02:05,625 --> 04:02:07,085
The second thing is about the deer.

4989
04:02:07,385 --> 04:02:09,005
The deer have to be controlled

4990
04:02:09,265 --> 04:02:12,925
and either you either have people hunt them or just go out

4991
04:02:12,925 --> 04:02:14,165
and shoot 'em or something because

4992
04:02:14,195 --> 04:02:15,405
they need to be controlled.

4993
04:02:15,525 --> 04:02:17,525
I live over here on the creek in Mary Brook

4994
04:02:17,545 --> 04:02:18,765
and they eat everything.

4995
04:02:19,385 --> 04:02:21,645
We, we can't hardly have a garden in our backyard

4996
04:02:21,645 --> 04:02:23,445
because the deer, we can't get rid of them.

4997
04:02:24,975 --> 04:02:26,485
Thank you. Trustee Amos. Clerk Lawrence.

4998
04:02:28,155 --> 04:02:30,485
Yeah, I was gonna thank you Trustee Emos.

4999
04:02:30,525 --> 04:02:32,805
I was gonna say the same about going to see the best,

5000
04:02:32,945 --> 04:02:34,645
and I appreciate the commentary

5001
04:02:34,645 --> 04:02:38,005
because it gives us an opportunity to provide explanation.

5002
04:02:38,145 --> 04:02:42,045
So when we all went, I drove my own vehicle,

5003
04:02:42,185 --> 04:02:43,925
we didn't take a township vehicle

5004
04:02:44,185 --> 04:02:45,765
and there was no payment for that time.

5005
04:02:47,125 --> 04:02:50,565
I also wanted to bring up the, the comment about quotes.

5006
04:02:50,565 --> 04:02:52,645
Totally agree with you. Would love to see three quotes.

5007
04:02:52,645 --> 04:02:55,205
And that's why on our next meeting you're probably gonna see

5008
04:02:55,725 --> 04:02:57,325
an RFP policy come out

5009
04:02:57,325 --> 04:02:59,045
because I believe the board attempted that

5010
04:02:59,585 --> 04:03:01,445
and didn't, didn't get it through.

5011
04:03:01,585 --> 04:03:02,645
And so, you know,

5012
04:03:02,645 --> 04:03:05,005
we think we absolutely should be taking quotes and

5013
04:03:05,025 --> 04:03:07,565
and making the best decisions there.

5014
04:03:07,625 --> 04:03:10,205
So wanted to share that, those couple of notes.

5015
04:03:10,585 --> 04:03:14,205
And I think that's it. I think it was a full night.

5016
04:03:14,375 --> 04:03:16,285
Thank you Clerk Lawrence, Treasurer Bloomfield.

5017
04:03:17,525 --> 04:03:21,965
I thought you were gonna go to Joe next. Sorry again.

5018
04:03:22,185 --> 04:03:25,045
Yes, we all drove our vehicles down there to cold water.

5019
04:03:25,405 --> 04:03:26,805
Actually, my husband and I went first

5020
04:03:27,585 --> 04:03:30,085
and when we came back, I told the Planning Commission

5021
04:03:30,545 --> 04:03:33,085
and the board members, I said, Hey, you need to go see this.

5022
04:03:33,105 --> 04:03:36,245
So you know what we're talking about with the residents.

5023
04:03:37,385 --> 04:03:40,485
We did our due diligence with the battery energy

5024
04:03:41,665 --> 04:03:44,405
and Supervisor Martin, you did do a lot of work on that,

5025
04:03:44,405 --> 04:03:46,485
putting the committees together along

5026
04:03:46,485 --> 04:03:47,885
with our attorney firm.

5027
04:03:48,425 --> 04:03:49,645
And you did a good job for us,

5028
04:03:49,645 --> 04:03:50,845
even though none of us want it.

5029
04:03:51,285 --> 04:03:54,605
I mean, I think out of all these residents,

5030
04:03:55,065 --> 04:03:57,565
99.9 of us do not want it.

5031
04:03:58,105 --> 04:04:01,365
So all I have to say to that is watch who you vote for,

5032
04:04:01,945 --> 04:04:04,805
you know, find out what they want, what they stand for.

5033
04:04:04,805 --> 04:04:06,605
If it's what you believe in, vote for 'em.

5034
04:04:07,545 --> 04:04:11,685
The other thing is curbside pickup has started,

5035
04:04:11,885 --> 04:04:16,085
I haven't seen a lot out, so I feel sorry

5036
04:04:16,085 --> 04:04:18,165
for college hunks with all the rain we've had with

5037
04:04:18,165 --> 04:04:20,685
what is out there, I sure hope they have a lot

5038
04:04:20,685 --> 04:04:23,845
of strong backs to help lift that wet lugs out there.

5039
04:04:23,985 --> 04:04:25,565
So that's all I have. Thank you. Thanks,

5040
04:04:25,765 --> 04:04:27,365
Treasurer Bloomfield, Trustee Paver.

5041
04:04:29,725 --> 04:04:31,245
I would like to thank everybody for

5042
04:04:32,395 --> 04:04:33,565
staying this entire time.

5043
04:04:33,585 --> 04:04:35,445
If you didn't make it the whole time, that's okay.

5044
04:04:36,945 --> 04:04:39,045
And appreciate everybody's comments.

5045
04:04:39,225 --> 04:04:40,645
That's a part of us

5046
04:04:41,525 --> 04:04:43,205
bringing back the citizen's comment in the beginning,

5047
04:04:44,015 --> 04:04:47,285
unfiltered, regardless of whether we like the comments

5048
04:04:47,345 --> 04:04:49,325
or not, there are things that we have to hear.

5049
04:04:51,185 --> 04:04:54,245
And I think a lot of what we were doing today

5050
04:04:56,465 --> 04:04:59,925
is we're trying to bring more transparency to the community.

5051
04:05:00,915 --> 04:05:02,365
It's a slow and steady process.

5052
04:05:04,465 --> 04:05:08,045
And I would ask the community

5053
04:05:09,425 --> 04:05:13,245
to give us some grace as we continue to navigate

5054
04:05:13,245 --> 04:05:14,445
what has been given to us.

5055
04:05:15,625 --> 04:05:19,925
It has not been easy since, you know,

5056
04:05:19,925 --> 04:05:20,965
things changed over

5057
04:05:21,225 --> 04:05:23,325
and everybody has kind of been learning on the fly.

5058
04:05:25,465 --> 04:05:29,725
And Grace goes a long way with,

5059
04:05:30,985 --> 04:05:34,725
you know, allowing and affording people to make mistakes.

5060
04:05:34,865 --> 04:05:36,965
And you know, we're always gonna try to be better.

5061
04:05:37,265 --> 04:05:41,205
And I think that everybody here, they're here

5062
04:05:41,205 --> 04:05:43,965
because, well, you know, I'm not gonna speak

5063
04:05:43,965 --> 04:05:47,245
for everybody else, but I would, I would wager

5064
04:05:47,245 --> 04:05:48,925
that The reason why a lot of us are here is

5065
04:05:48,925 --> 04:05:50,085
because we have a servant's mindset

5066
04:05:50,785 --> 04:05:51,885
and that we want to be here

5067
04:05:53,105 --> 04:05:56,085
and that we're willing to be here all the way to as.

5068
04:05:56,145 --> 04:05:57,685
As long as that is, as it takes.

5069
04:05:59,065 --> 04:06:00,805
And if there are people that feel

5070
04:06:00,805 --> 04:06:03,925
that they are not being heard or listened to

5071
04:06:03,995 --> 04:06:05,805
because I agree that there is a difference,

5072
04:06:07,595 --> 04:06:08,685
then please tell us.

5073
04:06:09,345 --> 04:06:11,845
And again, we're not gonna always like the things

5074
04:06:11,845 --> 04:06:14,165
that you have to say or in the manner in which

5075
04:06:14,165 --> 04:06:16,685
that you say them, but please still come up and say them

5076
04:06:17,265 --> 04:06:21,325
and know that if you can't reach one person

5077
04:06:21,915 --> 04:06:23,805
that you know there are several of us here,

5078
04:06:24,465 --> 04:06:26,005
always willing to meet with people.

5079
04:06:28,405 --> 04:06:30,045
I may have to move some schedules around,

5080
04:06:30,185 --> 04:06:33,965
but just know that we are here,

5081
04:06:34,185 --> 04:06:35,365
we do care about people.

5082
04:06:36,415 --> 04:06:37,685
Maybe we need to do a better job

5083
04:06:37,685 --> 04:06:39,085
of communicating that we care.

5084
04:06:39,425 --> 04:06:41,205
And that's something for us to take a look at

5085
04:06:41,225 --> 04:06:45,685
and look at ourselves and just know that

5086
04:06:47,025 --> 04:06:49,325
we appreciate the opportunity to serve everybody.

5087
04:06:51,385 --> 04:06:54,285
And thanks again for everybody for staying late. Thank you.

5088
04:06:54,895 --> 04:06:57,205
Thank you. Trustee Paver. Trustee Van Bruen,

5089
04:06:57,955 --> 04:06:58,955
Just same amount.

5090
04:06:58,955 --> 04:07:00,525
Settlement. Thank you for all coming out tonight

5091
04:07:00,665 --> 04:07:03,645
and it's late and have a safe drive home. That's all I

5092
04:07:03,645 --> 04:07:04,645
Have.

5093
04:07:04,645 --> 04:07:06,205
Thank you. Thank you to the board for a long meeting,

5094
04:07:06,465 --> 04:07:09,645
so next time maybe we won't have such long meeting.

5095
04:07:09,785 --> 04:07:11,845
We had a lot of business to catch up on.

5096
04:07:11,845 --> 04:07:12,845
And welcome to the board.

5097
04:07:13,125 --> 04:07:14,485
I look forward to working with everybody.

5098
04:07:14,495 --> 04:07:17,445
Thank you very much. This meeting is adjourned.

5099
04:07:20,505 --> 04:07:20,725
Oh.