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and in the next day or two, you'll see
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All right. Um,
recognition of the public,

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we have Jennifer Campbell. First on the
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Yep. Jennifer Campbell, 1480 Counto
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brief. Me and my husband, we were
looking. Not sure if this has been

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updated or if you guys even called these
guys and let them know, but this paper

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is still and it's on the website and
it's all over on, you know, online or is

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still stating that Rex Roth's property,
the properties down along Mil Creek. Uh

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there's uh another one on here that is
uh still on proposal for AI buildings.

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» Okay. Can we see that? I'm not aware
that that's on there. Sure.

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» And I don't think if if it's not
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I'm not sure we can do anything.
>> It has the township's uh name and

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everything else on it. That's the the
the data center where you can go online

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with the county and see where they all
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» Okay.
>> Yeah, we keep an eye on that all the

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time.
>> Okay.

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» Is that the county?
>> If you could Well, the count wouldn't

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the county not be updated until we send
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wondering if you guys had
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discussing every month, right? We're
sitting down. We're refining the map and

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we're refining the ordinance together.
Once we're done that, then it goes to

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the county because they look at it and
and then they'll probably update that on

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their side. So, you're probably going to
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because we're still working through our
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» Okay.
>> Does that make sense?

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» It makes sense. That's why I figured,
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» you go from there. It does state on
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» as of April, but it has not been updated
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» Yeah.
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» yeah,
>> we started meeting in July uh to to

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publicly discuss changes. So,
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» I I don't believe this is even your
county. I know there are several

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websites that are tracking
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data centers, planned, approved data
centers, etc. Um, some of that

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information is provided by
interested people. Some are are factual.

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So, if I could get the the actual source
of this, we can look into it more, but I

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can tell you honestly to this to date,
we've had no formal applications for

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» No, it's not an application. That's just
saying that it's actually a a a piece of

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property that is proposed
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» Yeah. All that is
>> proposed. That could be an applicant

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allowed. The township decides where land
uses are allowed through our zoning. We

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have not allowed data centers anywhere.
We're developing an ordinance to say

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they can be in this one geographic area,
but that's for an unofficial government

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website to say this. is allowed there.
It doesn't really mean much. It's

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» right. Well, again, like I said, I I've
just figured that most likely the word

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needs to come from you all. Let them
know correct that that piece of property

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is all contained.
>> Yep.

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» Okay.
>> That's what I'm saying. If I can if I

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know where it is, I can I can contact
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currently not an active.
>> But for the for the integrity of what

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we're doing, we we have not we have not
released anything outside of of the

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township.
>> Yeah. All right. So, yeah, because the

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rest of the neighbors all through there,
they're like, "Well, I thought you kind

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of said that that was off the table when
I showed them the new map from when we

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were at the church."
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» So, there's people are kind of like
getting on a little up for again because

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they [snorts] think that something's
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» Okay.
>> So, clarification.

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» Okay. Thank you, Mrs. Campbell.
>> And Mark, you're going to see if we can

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trace that down somewhere.
>> Yeah, if you can. If you can give me the

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where what the source is of this, I'll
look it up.

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» Yeah, I will.
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» Actually, while we're while we're uh
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process of what what happens when we
kind of finally say, "Okay, this is this

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is what we're moving ahead with." Let's
walk through real quickly what happens

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process-wise so everybody's on the same
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were not at the the meeting at the the
church. So, just that way it's on the

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record. So after we say this is our last
meeting, we feel this is what we're

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moving ahead with. What's the next step?
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» Pre pre that statement um we have
adopted a moratorum which gives us 180

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days to get an ordinance in place and
that's important. So nothing can come in

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right now even if they want to. Um we
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developing an ordinance. We have 180
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the date is July or January
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in that time frame, we are in the
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this two public meetings down at the
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take place at the planning commission
meeting where we'll go through it again.

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The planning commission will will look
at this ordinance. Um, after we get it

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to a point where we are comfortable with
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ordinance, then brought forward to a
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Um, we hope to do that in November at
the latest would be at the December

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meeting and then it takes a place soon
after. Like Steve, is there a time frame

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on those when they take place as
immediate or is is there like a 7-day

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delay on on that type of ordinance? I
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» I think we can do it immediately. So, it
would be effect the next day. So at that

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point then we will be adopting both an
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regulations on how if a data center
application is submitted here how it

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comes in. What we're proposing is to do
it through a conditional use process,

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which would mean then that any applicant
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principal use here in the township would
have to come before the board of

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supervisors in a formal hearing. And
it's a conditional use hearing. And

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under [snorts] Pennsylvania law, a
conditional use is it's it's a use

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that's allowed under specific criteria.
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ability to attach reasonable conditions
to that decision. So that's what that

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process means. Um in addition to
adopting the ordinance, um we have also

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proposed a map because this is being
done as an overlay and we've talked

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about this at the meetings where an
overlay district says within this

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district there may be some underlying
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commercial, etc.
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underlying zoning, a data center would
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the process we're going through now. And
going forward, should someone want to

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apply, that's the process they'd have to
go through to get one approved here. So

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it it takes months. If if we do get a
formal application, it would take months

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for it to get to a point where it comes
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formal action and decision.
>> Even if I say even if they wanted to,

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» even if they wanted to. And the orders
draft that we have right now is is

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fairly strict. I mean, there's a lot of
conditions and regulations on it that

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we're working through now, but that's
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» Okay. Thank you, Jennifer. Uh Jamie
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» Jamie Lana, 535 East Butter Road. Um so,
there's been quite a few questions

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recently about the cost of township
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um salaries and what exactly they're
cost in the township and things like

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that. So, I have those numbers for us
tonight. [clears throat]

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Um, Mr. McDonald received a raise this
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[cough] which is great. His salary went
from $2500 that the other two get to

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4190.
Um, they the two gentlemen both get a

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$4,500 HSA allowance. Uh, Loretta does
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three get a $3,000
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They all get a $600.
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» Let me keep talking, please.
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They all get a $600 cell phone allowance
yearly. Uh like I said, Loretta and

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Brian both get $2,500 for their position
and John does get $41.90.

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Um Pat stews, they get $700 a piece.
They get a convention aotment of 195 and

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they get $200 a year for their uniforms.
I don't know how a college shirt that

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you wear once a month is a uniform, but
in the end, Loretta cost us one uh

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$18,886

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a year, while Brian cost us $45,7512

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a year. And Mr. McDonald cost us
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This has all been done by right to know.
So those numbers are 100% accurate. Um I

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want to let it be known that I do intend
to run in 2028. As I've spoken before,

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one of the first things I will be asking
to do is getting rid of all of that

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other than to pay the 25 or what will be
$4,190.

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They don't there's no reason that we're
paying these. Um, two of the three are

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self-employed and make millions. Well,
one makes millions, so I don't know what

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the other one makes. There's absolutely
no reason, in my opinion, we're sitting

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on the seat at this point just for
insurance. We're ensuring them, the

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three of them, their spouses, their
children, some of which are out of the

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house, working on their own, but they
are under 26, so by law they can be

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covered. In my opinion, I don't think we
should be covering anybody that doesn't

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sit specifically on the seat, and even
so, they shouldn't even be covered. Um,

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I don't know if that my my goal here
isn't to create an issue. It's to to

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quiet questions because there's been a
lot of questions. I see them on Facebook

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and I keep getting asked getting asked.
So, finally we got the information. Um,

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$50,000 a person essentially is what it
costs. Loretta's is less expensive

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because she's on Medicare. So, that's
great because of age, whatever.

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Can't fault her for that. Um, should I
be elected, I will be declining

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everything up there to include the pay.
The pay will go to Nor Eastern school

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district to be in football program. And
I know of at least two other people that

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plan to run as well that we're going to
do the same. Furthermore, we have it

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approved with the county. We did get
enough signatures. It will be on the

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ballot next time around in November. You
will be asked yes or no. Do you want the

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the seat to go from three to five? Keep
in mind there is a cost with that of

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course, but again at least three of the
people that I know that are running,

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myself included, will be working to get
rid of that.

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Have a good evening. [applause]

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» You're done. I can talk.
>> I stopped you because you you uh

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violated my first amendment right by
interrupting me during my three-minute

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time period. You're not legally allowed
to interrupt. I'm tired of seeing it.

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Well, you can give me the dirty look all
you want. There is an amendment right

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there.
>> All right, we'll continue. Um I actually

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did this uh the right to know for Mrs.
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that's exactly where he's getting them.
And I think uh when they were before I

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go to that u Mark I wanted to ask you
when we videotape

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can we pull back the camera a little bit
because I notice that all we see is the

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board here.
>> Yeah.

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» I don't know if that's possible.
>> I I I will look and see if I can do it

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but definitely I'm ready for the next
meeting. We'll back it up.

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» Okay. All right. So I have the figures
here. So if anybody wants them, they

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could come up and get them then. But
it's exactly uh what Mr. Lagona was

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saying. Um
by right

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and and I'll actually read it from the
uh PAT's uh laws here. Supervisors,

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whether or not they are employed by the
township and their dependent, are

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eligible for inclusion in group life,
health, hospitalization, medical

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service, and accident insurance paid in
whole or in part by the township.

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Supervisors and their dependents who are
um over 65 years of age are eligible for

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inclusion in the supplemental Medicare
uh insurance coverage paid in whole or

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part by the township. So, it's always
been done forever. Um, supervisors,

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believe me, $18,000.
I'm not here for the money.

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» Eligible doesn't mean
>> Oh, you're excuse you're interrupting

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me. It's my first amendment, right?
>> You're you're a township. Uh,

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» okay. So, anyways, um, when you have the
floor, I'll let you speak.

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So, um, it's up to people if they want
you get what you pay for. So, just be

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aware. And did you want to go to the
podium?

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» I only have one more question. For how
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» Well, it's not really hours. Um, now I'm
in administration, so I'm here three to

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four times a week and sometimes I'm here
for hours. Um, the other two, if they

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have questions, if they're going through
something, they come in and maybe how

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many times? once or twice a week.
>> Twice a month. But that doesn't count

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the times that we are on the phone or
discussing issues or I'm on the phone

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with Mark discussing what you know there
might be a a crisis or a followup or

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maybe we're also out you know in the
township walking you know walking

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streets or whatever. So there's never
really an hour limit on it. So, um, you

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know, one month I may, you know, I may
be involved in 10 hours worth of work

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and another month I may be in two hours.
I don't know. It depends. But whatever

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the township needs is there's not
really, you know,

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» and you're always available for phone
calls. And Brian, you also you bought

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the roads and, you know, do a lot
>> roads. We were just out down here. Uh,

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» is it what is it? Kentwell.
>> Kentwell. We were down there meeting

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with two contractors. Uh, and that's
that's an ongoing thing. I mean, it's

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it's and it's through the day, you know,
when everybody else is available. Uh,

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and there is phone calls in the middle
of the night. Sometimes police will call

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me. Uh, I'm I'm I'm down the list a
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they call me then if they have an issue,
need road closed or something. And

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» you got a call the other night.
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» yeah, I got a call the other night and
we're on call 247.

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So, the other night I got a call from
the uh security system. Uh, our front

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door was breached, so I had to come down
and check out what was going on. Um,

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different times I come down. Last
weekend, somebody forgot to pick up the

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key for the rental. So, I came in on a
Sunday and went down, got the key for

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him. So, it's like we're always on call.
>> Yeah. And it for those of you that have

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emailed me directly, I also try to
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So, I mean, it's not, you know, just
because we're here once a month doesn't

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mean that that's all we're working. So,
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there's there's a lot of times
throughout the week that I got to go

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meet somebody to discuss a road issue or
traffic issue sometimes even that we get

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involved with. Uh but yeah,
>> and then we each have a leazison

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position. So we me with Northern
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to all their uh different functions they
have. J um Jeremy, are you playing with

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the lights back there?
>> I am not. [laughter]

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» Do we still have a road master that
would meet with the construction and

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engineers throughout the day and and
Mark himself?

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» Okay. Right now we don't have a a title
of road master. We have a um lead person

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for the road crew.
>> Are they out meeting with the uh

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» Yeah, I suppose.
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» Yeah. And so yeah, too.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But

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» you still want to be redundant and
double up on it.

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» Well, you want more than one person's
input on, you know, project. uh

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» and since it's a supervisors that make
the ultimate decision that a supervisor

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should be there at any of the meetings a
supervisor should be there.

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» How do we how does the township decide
on health insurance and the benefits? Is

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it something you vote on or is it just
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» during budget and budget's coming up? So
that's coming up in October. So

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everybody's welcome to come to our
budget meetings and we do have a

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insurance broker that we go through and
they give us oh probably like six or

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eight different u plans and we pick out
one that uh is you know the best plan

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for everybody. to kind of vote on the
budget for healthare.

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» Yeah. Yeah.
>> And who's our insurance? Is it Long or

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Long
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know.
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Mr. Garzana, did you have anything
further?

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Okay. Thank you. All right. Um, anybody
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Okay, we'll move on.
Adoption

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of the agenda as prepared.
>> I'll make a motion to approve the agenda

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as prepared.
>> I'll second.

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» All in favor say I.
>> I.

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» I. Now, that's the amended one. And the
only reason we amend the agenda is

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because somebody will come in late and
we had a couple people this time twice,

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wasn't it, Mark?
>> Yeah. Um, under under Pennsylvania uh

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the sunshine law, the agenda, the final
agenda has to be posted 24 hours prior

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to the meeting. Once we post it, if
there's any changes to the agenda, then

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we post the the amendment to that agenda
so that it's clear what was originally

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posted and what changed. And we try to
highlight the changes so you can see

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what was added or deleted.
>> Yeah. And I think somebody asked us to

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add the time when it was changed. Did
you do that?

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» That was me asking for it to be
highlighted. Yeah.

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» And stuff so that we knew.
>> See, we hear you. [laughter]

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Okay.
approval of the previous minutes. That's

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the August 2026 minutes.
>> And then there's also the July workshop

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meeting.
>> Okay. That was my paper.

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» Yeah.
>> Okay. Uh July workshop

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» minutes. So both of them we'll do it as
a glyco.

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» Yeah. I'll I'll make a motion to approve
uh July workshop minutes and August 2026

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minutes.
>> You weren't

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» That was one church, correct? Is that
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Let's do them individually.
>> Okay.

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» Uh July workshop minutes.
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» you approve it?
>> Yes.

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» I'll second. All in favor say I.
>> I.

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» I. And Brian, you abstain.
>> Correct.

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» Yes. Correct.
>> Okay. August the 26th.

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» I'll make a motion to approve the August
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» 206.
>> And I'll second.

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» All in favor say I.
>> I.

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» I.
planning and zoning.

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» Who do we have?
>> Yes, sorry. Thank you. Um

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just so we I know we've already talked
about it, but we did hold the second

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meeting on the on the data center. I
just want to say again, I appreciate um

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the people who have come out and have
have participated and given input on

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these these meetings. Uh the meetings
were, you know, well attended. uh they

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were handled in a respectful manner and
I appreciate that. I realize that if you

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read the news, you turn on the TV,
anything. I mean, data centers across

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the US are are a hot topic and and I
feel like we're um as a community, we're

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trying to address it as a community and
I just thank everyone who's

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participating in this to make it a a
good process. I think it's going well.

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Um quick updates. There's no there was
no zoning hearing board in August and

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there is no one planned for September at
this time. planning commission met on

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the 24th. Um in that meeting, Freedom
Square was on the agenda. Um

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the only thing that we talked about
during the planning commission meeting

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were the modifications that are coming
up. It's going back to the planning

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commission again for still making a
recommendation. So that's that's still

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in process.
And Rebecca March, our new zoning

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officer, was able to attend a two-day
zoning academy class last week hosted by

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PAT. So, we've talked about, you know,
the importance of training here and I

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it's good that we're, you know,
Rebecca's been able to get out there and

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get some of the training and and all of
us are the public works staff go to

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training. We all do training all the
time and so that was just a a good class

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for her to attend. So, I think that's
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» Okay.
>> Can I mention something to all of you?

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So, during that planning commission
meeting, I did uh bring something up to

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Mr. Bosch. Um, another citizen here in
the township did uh called u

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the York County tax and found out that
he was $82,000

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behind in taxes and that he's now being
taken off clean and green which

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eventually would happen. But you figure
that's probably another what 50 or more

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in money. He very he took him very
lightly. Very lightly. He's like at

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first he wouldn't admit it and then he
was like we'll just deal with it when

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they get to me.

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Yeah,
>> I hope that we never do anything again

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with that man. That's my opinion.
>> We had a couple developers that were

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very difficult to work with.
>> Well, he is no better.

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» Yeah,
>> he was more interested in showing his

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little lion up in the air than
discussing business. Okay.

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» He held him up like a lion.
>> He has he has a new little baby and he's

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» six months old. That's why he hasn't
been around to work, he said,

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» cuz he was too busy.
>> He was too busy with the baby.

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» Okay. All right. Thank you.
>> Real quick, um, uh, September, are we

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planning another another round?
>> So, we'll have that at the planning

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commission meeting. So, we'll bring up
that the data center will be on the

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agenda at planning commission, uh, for
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» Okay.
>> Okay. Uh, reports, we had the building

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report, the police report. Um, okay.
Okay. As far as the police report, our

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numbers really went down. Um for the
month of July, the um our calls were

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down 204 calls. Um also year to date,
they're down 588 calls, which is great.

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Uh during July, patrol and criminal
investigation department arrested 254

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criminal defendants. Um 66 more arrests
than in July of last year. Of the 254

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arrests, 29 were felonies, 160 were
misdemeanors, and 65 were summaries.

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We had um unfortunately there were five
overdose overdose deaths uh during the

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month of July. Um
we had um fortunately none were in

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Kowaka Township, so we're really good
about that. uh Kawaga Township, we had

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some charges of uh um simple assault,
aggravated assault, bad checks. Uh there

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are a lot of reports and Jamie, you can
agree to this of um bikes, ebikes and

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little motorcycles and things. people
put them on Facebook and what happens

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they put their address and everything
and uh these this group I think it's a

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group of people that go around and
breaking in the shed and then steal the

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bikes you know before they have a chance
to sell them. So there were quite a few.

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Anything else Jamie on that?

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» That's a common ebikes is what's now but
they did it they do it with bikes, four

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wheelers. I mean, it's common.
>> Yep. And they list their address, so

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that's what makes it bad.
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All right. There's uh one of our um uh
civilian positions up at Northern

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Regional is uh retiring in January and
uh Lori Morard and they put applications

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out and they got 86 applications.
>> Wow. So there was a lot of interest and

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I think they actually narrowed down to
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uh thorough interviews and really uh
lowering that. Also

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um [clears throat] they met with
Jefferson uh the staff met with

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Jefferson Burough officials. They have
an interest in police services but they

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haven't heard anything back just yet.
Also um there's uh where's the other

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one?
What was the other community?

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» Handover or what was it?
>> Springrove.

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» Springrove. Springrove Burrow. Uh
they're also interested in starting

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police service at the beginning of the
year. Um we're in the beginning stages

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of a planning a September 17th
remembrance event uh for the officers

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and most likely will be held at Clauser
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That was it. So, I hear a motion to
accept those reports.

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» I'll make a motion to approve the police
report and the building permit reports

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and I'll second.
>> All in favor say I.

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» I
>> I treasures report. Everybody had a

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chance to review.
>> Yes.

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» Okay. Do I hear a motion?
>> I'll make a motion any

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» I'll make a motion to approve the August
treasures report. I'll second that.

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» All in favor say I.
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manager the red report.
>> Thank you. Um

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» transportation is always a big topic.
>> Our picture.

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» Yeah, we'll get to the picture. Don't
don't please don't look on the picture

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on the right hand side. Um exit 28. Uh
we've been talking about this for a

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while now. There the the plan is to add
I saw you looking. Stop looking at the

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picture. You can't. Um we are planning
on adding a right turn lane when you

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come off the ramp. That work will begin
next Tuesday. So, it's going to get

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busy. It's going to get a little
ask people to slow down and be very

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careful going through that area as the
construction begins. Um, they're hoping

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to make the the work go as as
efficiently as possible. So, they've

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asked for permission to run two 12-hour
shifts. So, they'll run 24 hours a day

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to get that that ramp expansion and
widening done as as efficiently as

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possible.
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shift. The the shoulder will be closed
and and they're trying to on on a

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Saturday or a Sunday limited times.
They'll be a temporary closure. It's

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just they can finish some work in in the
road. Um Locust Point um is closed and

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will stay closed through December. That
is because the warehouses up there um

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for their Pendot permit had to do some
realignment and regrading work on the on

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the sharp curb right there. that work is
in process now. Um so that that road is

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closed and and causing it detours which
is again putting more pressure in that

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suspended trail area. So I'm just asking
again people be patient. Um traffic's a

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bit crazy. Um Canal Road Betterment
Project. Um the development team is

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working with all the utility companies
now to get all their utility plans in

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and set. Um, it's one of the big things
that that we try to look at ahead of

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time is, you know, everything that we
don't see. All the stuff that's

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underground, a lot of it has to be
moved, relocated, adjusted. The bridge

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there on canal by 83 is being replaced.
So, everything that's attached to that

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has to come off and be relocated
somewhere else. So, there's a lot of

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work that goes into getting this stuff
done. Um, Columbia Gas, as part of that

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is they're trying to get ahead of this
project and so they are continuing to

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work. You'll see their staging down at
um, Zan View Park. Uh they are working

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now on replacing their gas mains through
the intersection of Canal Road and

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Suspender Trail. Um some good news uh
we've been working with Med and we met

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with an engineer out there to look at
bringing electricity into Mil Creek

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Park. One of the main drivers for that
is we have our food truck Fridays and we

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want to be able to bring power into the
gazebo or into the pavilions and other

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facilities so that if we wanted to and
have live music out there, we can have

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amplified sound, not be running
generators, etc. So, um, we're getting a

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quote now on seeing what that's going to
cost to bring the electric into the

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park.
>> Yeah. And we checked with a couple

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different bands and things and they
don't want to come out with generators.

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They want electric.
So I think once we do that, we'll get

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more interest and we can get more um
more entertainment out there.

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» Yeah. And so this has nicer events out
there, etc. Um so that that work is

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continuing. Um big news for us in the
office is every year we have to have an

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audit um by the Pennsylvania Auditor
General uh to look at our liquid fuels

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expenses. So they they came in, they met
with us, Aaron for a couple hours. He

409
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:47,840
was here. Um and we passed our audit.
Yes. Um it's always a a good feeling.

410
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:52,720
All right. Now, if you draw your eyes to
the picture on the right, um one of the

411
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:57,200
big tasks that we've been wanting to do
now is to get a tree that we can

412
00:30:55,039 --> 00:31:03,520
decorate during the holiday season. And
so we had two highly trained experts uh

413
00:30:59,919 --> 00:31:07,200
went out to a a unknown tree farm
somewhere in northern um

414
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,520
» we got lost a little bit but we
>> got lost a little bit

415
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:15,200
» ended up at a diner somewhere. Um so we
are looking at putting a tree right out

416
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,880
back here by the playground. And so in
the coming around Christmas time they'll

417
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,240
we'll put lights on it and decorate it.
And that's going to be part of a new

418
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:26,320
process and we'll talk about it the next
meeting in more detail, but there'll be

419
00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:30,240
a new process we'll have for the holiday
celebrations. So,

420
00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:35,679
» we'll have a tree lighting ceremony. And
uh just to tell you the size of the

421
00:31:32,399 --> 00:31:39,519
tree. Um the one on the right is four
feet high. [laughter]

422
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:42,640
The one on the left is five. So, you
could see how tall the tree is. It might

423
00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:46,480
be
>> 11 12

424
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:50,559
» 10 11 12. Yeah, somewhere up there. I
wanted to put her on my shoulders, but

425
00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:53,440
she she don't want to. [laughter]
>> Yeah.

426
00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:55,200
» So, that's it. Thank you.
>> I have a question.

427
00:31:54,320 --> 00:32:02,880
» Yeah.
>> The uh Canal Road government project,

428
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:06,240
you may not know it, but you may.
>> When they start that and they take the

429
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,799
bridge out, they're going to open up
regional way

430
00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:11,360
» first.
>> Yeah, that's the plan right now.

431
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:17,840
Actually, that's
>> to divert the traffic. So it one of the

432
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:23,360
it's actually been the main issue and
why the project's been

433
00:32:19,919 --> 00:32:27,600
» yes is it took a lot of negotiating
between developers that were already

434
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:32,640
involved in the project and then North
Point being a new member of the project.

435
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:38,799
So, North Point with the construction
and ultimate dedication of regional way

436
00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:43,519
that provided a necessary detour route,
but there is a connection that has to

437
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:47,519
occur between regional way and canal
road. That connection will likely have

438
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:51,120
to happen twice. Once in current
conditions and once in future conditions

439
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:55,120
when the new bridge isn't in the road,
>> right? And then men them together.

440
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:59,840
» Correct. Correct. So, I can I can save
you uh geez probably nine months of my

441
00:32:58,159 --> 00:33:04,320
life and just tell you that was not a
fun negotiation with all the developers

442
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:08,480
to get them to decide who's doing what
when and who's paying for what. So,

443
00:33:06,399 --> 00:33:13,039
that's delayed the project to this
point. It really we thought it'd be

444
00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:17,773
happening this year. Uh but it's as it
stands right now, regional way will be

445
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:21,279
connected in a temporary alignment
[clears throat] with existing canal road

446
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,000
to provide a detour route when the
bridge goes out.

447
00:33:22,399 --> 00:33:26,080
» Correct. And when the bridge goes in,
it'll

448
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:30,080
» When are they supposed to open up the
culde-sac there?

449
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,600
» Because I know the plans are in at the
black top plant.

450
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:37,039
» Correct.
>> I I already know that.

451
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:40,240
» So, the HOP the HOP is submitted uh
right now. Actually, what they're

452
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,360
working on, I don't believe they're
going to do any major work on canal

453
00:33:41,919 --> 00:33:47,600
until they can get the utilities
relocated.

454
00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:51,519
» Correct. Put the lines in now. So, we
are actually we were kind of just dealt

455
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:56,240
some interesting news this morning that
the water line relocation is going to

456
00:33:53,600 --> 00:34:00,559
cost much more than anticipated. So,
what I'll say I don't fresh news that we

457
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:05,039
just learned today. That's the next
thing that's got to get worked out. So,

458
00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:09,040
we don't have a formal timeline yet. It
seems like as soon as every soon as one

459
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,679
thing gets solved, something else comes
up and then we have to bring the brain

460
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:16,399
trust together and
>> No, I get it. Figure it out.

461
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:20,639
» Point point well taken. I get that. But
in all honesty, if they would actually

462
00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:23,839
open up and just temporarily open up the
culac

463
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,320
» right now, that would get them trucks
off that bridge

464
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,000
» because I think the problem is
>> that bridge is compromised bad.

465
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:34,079
» I think it's that the problem is the
height of the road and if they're going

466
00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:37,839
to do
>> there that's why there's it's a it's a

467
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,200
temporary connection is what they'll
build first.

468
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,320
» Correct.
>> And then the permanent because the the

469
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,960
road will come up when the new bridge
comes in.

470
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:50,960
» But right now they have a stone pile.
It's a stone board firm to keep

471
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:55,839
» guys from going past that cauticide.
>> Right. What what's holding it up right

472
00:34:52,879 --> 00:35:00,800
now again [clears throat] that that that
connection even in a temporary form is

473
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,480
part of the overall project and part of
the overall HOP.

474
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:06,480
» Okay.
>> So that piece was going to be bid I

475
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,920
believe with the bridge relocation.
Okay. That would have been step one of

476
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,400
the bridge replacement. But without the
bridge replacement moving that

477
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:17,680
connection isn't moving.
>> Correct.

478
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:20,800
» So unless doing two HOs at the same
>> Well, there's a there's Yeah, there's an

479
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:23,680
HOP for the bridge
>> and then there's going to be an HOP for

480
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:29,520
the road wide.
>> Okay. So, honestly, Jennifer, what they

481
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:33,760
may do is depending upon how long this
waterline delay is or depending upon

482
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,520
what happens with the bridge, they're
inspecting it every six months. Correct.

483
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:41,440
It could cause something some part of
this to break loose into more of an

484
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:44,960
emergency situation than
>> Correct. because the the the metal

485
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:48,800
structure actually popped up the other
day.

486
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:53,359
» So it so I mean be very careful going
over if you're coming from

487
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:57,200
» East Manchester heading toward the
trail, be very careful because that

488
00:35:55,359 --> 00:36:01,440
metal girder has popped up.
>> Yeah, it's quite a bump. Yeah. So

489
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:07,359
» Okay, Mark, do you have anything else?
>> That's it. Thank you.

490
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:11,839
» Okay, thank you. Um solicitor's report.
>> So

491
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:16,800
couple of things. Um,
we have an ongoing litigation matter

492
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:21,440
with uh for some of the condemnation
that's been done around the canal road.

493
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:26,240
There was a board appointed in that
recently. Um,

494
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,240
nothing that needs any action, just an
update.

495
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:33,760
» Could you turn your mic?
>> Oh, sorry. Try and leave it off so I

496
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:38,079
don't. Um, so I was just saying for in
case anyone didn't hear, there's some

497
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:44,160
property that is involved with the Canal
Road project that was condemned to use

498
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:48,880
for some rightways and other things.
There was a uh board of viewers that was

499
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:53,440
appointed which just sets the price at
which um that will be compensated. So

500
00:36:51,440 --> 00:37:00,000
that was recently filed work in the
courts. Um

501
00:36:56,240 --> 00:37:05,359
there was a uh
the bond has been called in for the

502
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:11,040
enclave. Um that's been started by our
firm um you know to get compensation for

503
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:16,480
that see if we can recover what's done.
Um it's helpful that we had been in

504
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:20,560
touch with the developer for you know re
up until recently. So that will help our

505
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:25,119
case um to show you know that we were
under the belief that they were going

506
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:31,680
that they were going to do this. Um so
that will that will assist in

507
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:36,480
» uh you know with that case. Um,
and then something that that uh isn't

508
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:41,040
for now, but just kind of I'm planting
the seed for down the road is I you know

509
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:45,200
I think and I've been talking with Mark
about this and this might be relevant to

510
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:50,000
some of the items under the the the new
business, but you know, Konowago's

511
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,599
ordinances are have been on the books
for a long time and I think there's

512
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:58,079
certainly a need to kind of do a
comprehensive

513
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:02,079
review and update of those. I mean, I I
know Mark's in the process of gathering

514
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:05,680
all the ordinances that are kind of
everywhere and making a compilation of

515
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:12,560
those, but I think once, you know, even
once we get them all together that um

516
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:15,119
you know, I I would suggest that I think
you need to do some stuff that, you

517
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:19,280
know, times have changed and a lot of
those ordinances are outdated. It makes

518
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:23,040
it hard to enforce things because
there's so many changes in the language

519
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:28,240
may may or may not, you know, apply to
things anymore. So, sometime in the

520
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:32,079
next, you know,
year or two, I would say, you know,

521
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:36,000
we're gonna I'm going to suggest that
you, you know, that we look at doing an

522
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:39,119
updated ordinance system, you know,
comprehensive. I think it would go well

523
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:44,560
with some of the other stuff that we're
trying to do that, you know, the new

524
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:49,040
plans and and things like that. Um,
and there are new tools that I think

525
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:52,400
that will make that more efficient.
AI, you know, we just need more we just

526
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:56,960
need more data centers. So, we
>> saw a tomato. [laughter] I have a tomato

527
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,280
down here.
Go there and make the tomatoes.

528
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,119
» Yeah,
>> I got tomatoes down here.

529
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:07,680
» We'll throw some lettuce and some
croutons up here and I'll mix up a

530
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:13,760
little bacon and we're good. [laughter]
>> Okay, that's it.

531
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:18,640
» Okay. All right. Any questions?
All right.

532
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:23,440
Thank you, Steve. Engineers report.
>> Okay. So it it has been a very busy

533
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:29,040
month especially with uh wrapping up
road projects and uh dealing with so

534
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:32,480
many coordination issues with Pendot. So
as I was sitting here and looking

535
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:35,712
through the manager's report which the
manager always goes before me so he

536
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:39,760
talks about all the engineering stuff
[laughter]

537
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:43,359
um that he asked me about. No just kid.
So I can I can report that I was

538
00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:48,400
involved in every one of those items
except the Christmas tree on March

539
00:39:45,537 --> 00:39:53,680
[laughter] happily. But it's been a
again it's been a busy month. The uh the

540
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:59,119
chip seal uh the chip sealing was done
uh the f with the fog seal going down

541
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:03,200
yesterday on those roads. Um we've been
inspecting and troubleshooting a couple

542
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:06,960
areas out on Bremer that needs to be
cleaned up after the paving. Um some

543
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:12,240
drainage issues that we need to deal
with. So that's ongoing. Uh but that

544
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:18,800
pretty well brings a close to the 2026
street bids as of as of yesterday.

545
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:23,599
And I will give a just a quick update on
developments for those of you who are

546
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:28,240
not at the planning commission meeting.
Again, we did we did have a discussion

547
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:32,000
with uh Tim Pash on Freedom Square phase
2. Um phase one has resumed

548
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,839
construction. I know it's been sitting
for a while, but that resumed

549
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:40,480
construction as of late last week, early
this week.

550
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:44,240
» Uh phase two is submitted. The big thing
that we're waiting on on the planning

551
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,920
commission end is again the sewer. um
they'll [cough] have to do a a planning

552
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:51,760
module with a memorandum of
understanding related to future

553
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:55,920
capacity. That all needs to be worked
out with the sewer authority and

554
00:40:53,280 --> 00:41:01,280
ultimately approved by DP to approve
that capacity for phase two. And so

555
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:04,960
basically at the at the last planning
commission meeting, we just held the

556
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:08,800
discussion about the the development,
what the future plans are, what the

557
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:12,400
future phasing might be. No action was
taken by the planning commission and at

558
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:16,160
this point I cannot see the township
taking any action on it until the

559
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:20,800
planning module is figured out for phase
two. But phase one now has started up

560
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:24,079
and and continues.
We'll talk about uh the other the other

561
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:28,079
big development here going is the
Carbana development. We'll talk about

562
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:31,119
that with the time extension item on the
agenda in a minute.

563
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:36,079
» Okay. All right.
>> Any questions?

564
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:40,000
» All right. Thank you, Derek. Yep. Uh
unfinished business. We're back to

565
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:44,640
Carvana.
Did you want to take that Mark then?

566
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,800
» Oh, Derek.
>> It does. Yes. So,

567
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:52,800
» sorry.
>> That's fine. So, uh this evening on the

568
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:59,040
agenda is to discuss a a time extension
for Carvana. The uh township's uh

569
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:03,839
responsibility to act on this plan was
was going to expire here in September. A

570
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:09,359
time extension gives us more time to
review the plan. um because if we

571
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:13,680
wouldn't if we would be forced to act on
it tonight, we would have to deny it for

572
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,760
unadressed comments and we don't want to
do that. So, we want to extend it to

573
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:22,720
give some more time to figure it out. Uh
probably the biggest topic of uh on this

574
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:28,960
plan has been traffic. Um, as many of
you are aware, uh, at recent discussions

575
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:33,280
with PennDOT, um, right now what we're
kind of waiting for on the township side

576
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:38,960
is we're waiting to see how the highway
occupancy permit uh, plays out is there

577
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:44,400
are likely going to be some improvements
that Pandot is going to require either

578
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:47,599
locally or regionally. Uh, yet to be
determined. Um, and Corey Green's here

579
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:53,680
tonight. I'll let him talk in a little
bit here. Um, but basically we're The

580
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:59,200
state is currently discussing with the
developer uh the the potential traffic

581
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:03,440
impact from the site, the existing
traffic conditions in the area and

582
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:07,839
discussions are ongoing about what what
can be done and what can reasonably be

583
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:12,720
done um or reasonably expected of this
developer um to address it. So, we're

584
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:16,880
taking a little bit of a pause on
approving the plan at this point. It's

585
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:19,440
really the the last technical issue that
we have to address would be this

586
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:24,000
traffic.
Cory, if I've missed anything or

587
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:27,680
» No, I I think you pretty much covered
all the points. I don't really have

588
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,839
anything to add unless there's questions
for me.

589
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:41,079
» So, I'll recommend the uh supervisors
accept the uh time extension from

590
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:41,079
» Carvana.

591
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:49,720
questions.

592
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:56,000
» Question.
>> Okay.

593
00:43:53,599 --> 00:44:02,000
» Just I'm understanding the the process a
little bit

594
00:43:57,839 --> 00:44:06,800
develops. Um so without the sewer module
has not been approved yet because it's

595
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:10,960
only been submitted D. So really you can
move on with development from based off

596
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:14,880
your other projects D until you have
that approval on the sewer as well. Is

597
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:20,400
that correct? So with with this one,
it's not as severe as Freedom Square.

598
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:23,680
Um, so with Freedom Square, I wouldn't
want to move forward on a planning

599
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:27,440
module. I wouldn't want to move forward
on approving the plan because that's

600
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:31,120
creating parcels.
>> So I don't want to see phase two

601
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:34,640
creating parcels without sewer capacity
[clears throat] with this. In this

602
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:37,839
situation, the parcel exists. It's just
a question of whether or not the

603
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:41,520
building can be constructed. So what
you'll see kind of in our land

604
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:46,160
development planning phase here if the
planning module we can take action on

605
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:50,400
the plan and conditionally approve the
plan pending the planning module which

606
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:54,880
may likely happen here because I think
we have protection that if we

607
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:58,480
conditionally approve the plan they
can't record the plan or construct it

608
00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:02,800
until the planning module is approved.
If for some reason the planning module

609
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:06,800
doesn't get approved, then the project's
plug is pulled or they've got to come

610
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:10,160
back and revise their project in the
parameters that will meet what can be

611
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:14,640
approved through the planning module.
>> Okay, that helps. And just one more kind

612
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:19,040
of follow up on that then um with the
extension to allow them to be able to

613
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:22,560
develop those mitigation for the traffic
impacts. Will they bring those back to

614
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:26,640
us as a community? because there was a
lot of talk last time when they had

615
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,599
their pictures up there and their lines
and their back and forth with the trucks

616
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,000
and the cars.
>> Will that come back to the community

617
00:45:31,359 --> 00:45:38,480
again?
>> So, whatever improvements are proposed

618
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:42,640
will come back to the supervisors. I
believe the the planning commission

619
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:50,079
already conditionally approved the plan
um pending PENDOT's uh pending Pendot's

620
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:54,800
comments. So, the plan now sits with the
supervisors. We're looking to see those

621
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:57,680
improvements incorporated and we'll be
able to throw them up on the screen

622
00:45:56,079 --> 00:46:00,400
before the supervisors take action on
the plan.

623
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:05,839
» Okay. Thank you. That was very helpful.
>> Yep.

624
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:08,240
» Okay. Any other questions? And so
tonight we're just granting additional

625
00:46:07,839 --> 00:46:12,240
time.
>> You're just acknowledging acknowledging

626
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:16,720
receipt of the time extension.
>> Okay. Do we have a a date on that time

627
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:21,280
extension?
>> Be 45 days from September 26th, I

628
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,000
believe.
to November 10th, 2020.

629
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:28,400
» November 10th.
>> November 10th. Yeah.

630
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:34,560
» Okay.
>> All right. Do I hear a motion to accept

631
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:39,359
um and acknowledge that um extension
till November 10th?

632
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:42,960
» I'll make a motion to acknowledge the
extension till November 10th or the car

633
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,599
project. [snorts]
>> I'll second that.

634
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:50,960
» All in favor say I. I.
>> I. Okay. Thank you, Cory.

635
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:56,720
» Thank you. Thanks, G.
Okay, new business.

636
00:46:53,599 --> 00:47:00,800
Uh, trash bids. Erin, do you have
anything for us?

637
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:03,839
» Um, I don't have anything else.
>> What your mic?

638
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:10,400
Sorry.
>> Um, it does look like that goods was the

639
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:15,040
overall low bidder um for a one day a
week service. Um, answer site was low

640
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:20,319
bidder if we went with a two-day a week
trash service. Um, Steve, I'll ask that

641
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:26,000
you talk a little bit more on this. We
did get sent a letter by form waste

642
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:31,520
asking that we rebid um just because of
how the bid sheet was interpreted by

643
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:35,599
alers.
>> Yeah. So, we got a letter from from

644
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:40,800
Penways just saying, "Look, we thought
the bid the

645
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:43,520
that it was confusing because there were
so many because there was variables,

646
00:47:42,319 --> 00:47:46,480
whether it was one day, whether it was
two days, whether we were supposed to

647
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:51,599
bid on the whole three-year period,
whether each year could be bid separate,

648
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:56,000
you know, was it a three-year total
price? Was it a per year price, etc."

649
00:47:54,079 --> 00:48:00,640
But, you know, we also got responses
from some of the other

650
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:04,560
biders saying basically like, "Hey, this
was as you know, this was as good and

651
00:48:02,319 --> 00:48:09,200
detailed a bid as as we've seen." So,
you know, I'm I'm fine. I don't think

652
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:12,640
there's any reason to
do anything or change the bids or pull

653
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,760
the bids or do anything like that that
that Penwaist was asking. I mean, they

654
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:21,760
they had the chance to bid with
everybody else. Um I I don't you know I

655
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:24,480
think this is just [clears throat]
they didn't have the lowest bid and I

656
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:28,400
think they're looking for a second bite
at the apple and I you know I I think

657
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:32,319
that uh you know to see what everybody
else did and then maybe adjust. I don't

658
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,960
think that's necessary. I think we had a
number of people they were the only ones

659
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:38,400
that had questions. They basically
didn't say anything at the time they

660
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:42,000
were submitting their bid like well
we're confused. We we don't understand

661
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:45,920
how to bid or anything like that. So,
I'm, you know, I I think we're fine and

662
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:51,839
and there's no reason to do anything
other than accept the bids that are the

663
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:59,040
most advantageous to the township.
>> Okay. So, um since goods was the lowest

664
00:48:56,079 --> 00:49:03,839
bid, uh could you explain a couple of
the things? Um are we having one or two

665
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:09,040
day on that?
>> So, I think it would be ad just to stick

666
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:13,599
with one day. Um, I don't think there's
really anybody who would want to utilize

667
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:18,400
that two-day service. And that would
mean trash trucks coming through here

668
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:23,040
constantly. It would be non-stop,
>> but we would we would have um them go

669
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:26,079
into different areas different days of
the week.

670
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,559
» Yeah, you'd still have traffic through
there like all but all non-stop with

671
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:34,400
that.
>> Yeah, I think one day a week would

672
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:37,920
» Yeah. So, so far I haven't heard anybody
ask for more than one collection per

673
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:41,359
week.
>> Our our our trash bills if we go two

674
00:49:40,319 --> 00:49:44,160
days a week would double.
>> Oh, yeah.

675
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:47,680
» So, we're not in favor of that.
>> Sure.

676
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:53,680
» Um services would pretty much stay the
same as they are now. Um your trash day

677
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:59,599
may change. Um that was one concession
we made to try and get more biders. um

678
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:04,319
is allowing them to come in more days a
week than just the two or three that

679
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:09,920
there are now. So, your trash day could
change. That would be about the only

680
00:50:06,484 --> 00:50:14,800
[clears throat] major change. Um Goods
is local. They're located here in

681
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:18,800
Manchester as well. Um they've picked up
several contracts and I so far haven't

682
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:21,119
heard
>> Yeah, I was going to ask

683
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,000
» anything adverse about that.
>> Yeah. Okay.

684
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:27,920
» And they have low volume bags.
>> They do have the low volume service.

685
00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:31,359
Yes, they'll be offering a low volume
just as you have right now.

686
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:32,000
» And they're a decent group of guys.
>> Okay.

687
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,559
» Yeah.
>> So, that I do know. I know a couple of

688
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:38,720
them.
>> Awesome.

689
00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:42,000
» Throwing our trash cans down.
>> Well, it would be a whole new set of

690
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:45,359
trash cans.
>> Well, I haven't gotten mail for a couple

691
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:48,720
days because they continuously put the
trash cans when they're done

692
00:50:47,095 --> 00:50:52,319
[clears throat] right on my mailbox. So,
I know on trash day I'm not going to get

693
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:55,359
mail. No matter where we put them, they
go back in front of the mailbox.

694
00:50:54,240 --> 00:51:01,599
» Well, that's good news. There's no
bills. [laughter]

695
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:05,599
» Got a couple questions in the back.
>> So, you said that they are going to do

696
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:09,760
the bag as well. [clears throat]
Um, and then will we also have the

697
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,720
option for no cost bulk pickup because
right now I don't have to pay for extra

698
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:17,760
pickups.
>> Yep. You'll still get the the one item

699
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:22,400
per week. um whether or not you'll have
to call in to schedule that or whether

700
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:26,880
they'll just allow for you to put it
out. Um that is something that will

701
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:30,960
relay to you further process.
>> Okay, that's good to know. Do you have a

702
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:35,680
sidebyside comparison though of like
what we get now and what goods disposal

703
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:41,000
is offering and what the cost difference
is

704
00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:41,000
» that can be shared?

705
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:47,440
» Yeah, we can I can put that together
formally. I don't have anything right

706
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:52,880
now in hand, but I can definitely put
that together formally for you and um

707
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:55,200
email you or put that on the website.
>> Yes.

708
00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:58,160
» Okay. Yeah, that would be appreciated
just so we know what what changes may

709
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,800
occur, but it doesn't sound like there's
going to be a lot, but I don't want

710
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:06,319
» Right.
>> Do you know what you're paying now?

711
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:10,000
» Uh I think I just paid my 97.
>> 97 every three months.

712
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,680
» Every three months.
>> A lot of money.

713
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,880
» That's a lot of money.
>> It is.

714
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:19,040
» Yeah. So this one would be this is for
the whole year, correct?

715
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:22,079
» That 300.
>> Yes.

716
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:25,200
» $33421.
>> But will they bill it quarterly?

717
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:28,160
» Probably.
>> Probably. Or

718
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,586
» do we have somebody from goods here?
>> Okay.

719
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,920
» Sorry, I didn't want to jump in.
[laughter]

720
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:38,400
» We will build quarterly just as you're
used to it. I I can't think of anything

721
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:41,920
that changes at all in the program.
>> Okay. Um the only thing only

722
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:45,280
recommendation I would make is people
you know for the low volume we could

723
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:50,079
also provide carts which any of the
haulers would do but the bag thing is

724
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:53,839
kind of it's [snorts] messy stuff gets
everywhere but you know if you could do

725
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:58,480
it all carts but it's still you know
still a low volume system.

726
00:52:56,079 --> 00:52:59,520
» Oh so you can get the can but do the low
volume

727
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:06,960
» smaller can
>> the smaller can for both recycle and

728
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:11,200
» trash. So that's good to know
>> because Larry, you have a gross of um

729
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:17,839
bags, don't you?
>> At least at least a one year contract.

730
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:21,040
» Uh that's Well,
>> is that a three-year contract?

731
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:25,440
» It would be a three-year contract with
two um optional one-year extensions. So,

732
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:30,800
at the end of the three years, we would
evaluate if we wanted to continue with

733
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:33,839
goods or place our work out for bid. Um
and then if we accepted the extension,

734
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:37,760
we would do the same thing for the
second year. We would reevaluate at the

735
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,760
end of that first year um and see if we
wanted to

736
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,400
» increase for four years.
>> I'm sorry.

737
00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:45,920
» Possibly no price increase for four
years then.

738
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:50,760
» No, it would it would increase right uh
for the first three years it would be

739
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,760
$33421.

740
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:56,640
Uh the first extension on
[clears throat] the fourth year it would

741
00:53:54,640 --> 00:54:06,680
be 370.
So it would go up like

742
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:06,680
» and then for the next year it's 383. So,

743
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,839
» which would still be cheaper.
>> Well, looks like it jumps. No, it does.

744
00:54:10,319 --> 00:54:16,480
It jumps. It jumps every year though.
>> It does. It's 334 the first year, 33421.

745
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:23,520
» Oh,
>> the first year, 345

746
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:27,720
91 the second year, and 35801
the third year.

747
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:27,720
» Okay.

748
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:38,520
» Is that right? Because I'm seeing 310.
I'm seeing 310 for 2027,

749
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:38,520
» 321 for 2028.

750
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:47,680
» That's the low volume. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Sorry about that.

751
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:52,240
» Okay, [laughter]
numbers on this sheet.

752
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:54,559
» Mr. Lagani, you had a question.
>> So, they provide [clears throat] the

753
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,920
totes. Is there a rental fee for the
totes or can you buy it outright so you

754
00:54:56,079 --> 00:55:02,520
don't have to pay a monthly fee for the
tote?

755
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,520
» There's no monthly fee for the tote.

756
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:08,319
Good question.
>> I I think there's a little confusion

757
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:13,440
with all those numbers because they they
actually bid it incorrectly. They filled

758
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:21,920
the bid form out incorrectly. There was
only one line for the price. Um but they

759
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:27,440
they filled out a lot.
>> Okay.

760
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:31,200
» What you're saying this this bid we have
is incorrect.

761
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:34,960
» They they filled it out incorrectly.
But they're going to honor it.

762
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:38,319
» I think his point is the other companies
could have filled it out incorrectly as

763
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:41,599
well and maybe gave you better prices.
And you're not looking at apples and

764
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:43,920
apples now. You're looking at one apple
versus orange.

765
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:48,398
» Okay. We have a question.
>> I'm with Ben Waste and that's exactly

766
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:55,040
why we submitted the form across the
[clears throat] board. Each provider

767
00:55:52,160 --> 00:56:00,559
did different things. Cella provided an
annual rate. goods provided broken out

768
00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:06,400
by three years when the bid specifically
stated he wanted a fixed threeyear rate

769
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:11,599
one year for the first year extension
and the second year extension. That's

770
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:16,880
the only reason we offered or asked
about possible rebid because you are not

771
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:24,680
comparing apples to apples based on how
it's how they were submitted.

772
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,680
» And are you with a different company?

773
00:56:27,044 --> 00:56:29,064
» [laughter]

774
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:35,520
» Well,
>> do we hear

775
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:41,280
» even if you look at Well, even a couple
years ago you wanted to start our own

776
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:47,280
trash company. It's like, yeah, okay.
>> But even if we look at these numbers,

777
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:54,400
» it doesn't matter if we do one, two,
three, four, five years. [clears throat]

778
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:57,760
Goods is lower in all of them.
I [clears throat] guess the point is if

779
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:03,200
you request it in the bid specs, you
must honor the bid specs. Even if we are

780
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:08,480
not the low bidder, that's I'm not
trying to say you need to go with pen

781
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:13,200
waste. If bid specs requests a fixed
three-year rate, that's what should be

782
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:18,400
submitted. If it's not,
>> I don't it's not responsive.

783
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:23,200
» Can I ask a question on that though? Is
low bid our only determining factor that

784
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:25,440
you're utilizing to make that decision?
>> No.

785
00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:29,680
» Or are there other
>> service services as well as as far as

786
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,680
someone that we have? You know,
>> we've had a lot

787
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,720
» of complaints
>> complaints with Absolutely.

788
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:39,680
» Oh, yeah.
>> and that's one thing.

789
00:57:38,439 --> 00:57:44,000
[laughter]
>> I just want to like kind of put that out

790
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:49,359
there that it's not just
>> No, it's not.

791
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:52,079
» So, you take it consideration the best
value.

792
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:58,319
» Right. Right.
>> Yeah. And and usually you do take the

793
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,920
low bid unless there's we know there's
an issue.

794
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,839
» Yeah.
>> I think you need to clarify that it's

795
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:08,079
not this is not like a like a bundle
meal here. It's it's the lowest

796
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:11,359
responsive bidder. So you can't pick
like the fourth because you think it's

797
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:16,240
the best value.
>> Okay. You have to start at the bottom

798
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,760
and actually disqualify biders until you
Yes,

799
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,720
» that's what I was looking at.
>> Yeah, we Yeah, just clarify.

800
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:24,319
» Yeah, those others can be used as
factors if you want to eliminate

801
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:27,760
somebody like if you're if you've had a
problematic history or something or you

802
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:33,520
were aware of some other thing.
>> We we had that with we had that with

803
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:39,520
line pain. The one company that we had
um they were inferior. So even when they

804
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:42,319
bid, we would not take their bid.
>> Mr. have gone.

805
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:46,000
» As the solicitor, can you verify that
we're not opening ourselves up to a

806
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:49,839
lawsuit if we accept the first bid and
then the other two say, "Well, you

807
00:58:47,839 --> 00:58:52,799
should have took their bid and then
>> Here's here's here's what I'm going to

808
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,599
answer." And this is a question that I
get all the time. If you're asking

809
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:59,040
» sue anybody for anything.
>> Yes.

810
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,960
» Oh my goodness. [snorts]
>> I I can't tell.

811
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,440
» I wanted it to be thought of, that's
all.

812
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:08,160
» Yeah. Yep. Well, one question I would
have for uh the attendees here, how many

813
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:13,319
of our residents want to continue with
the trash service we have? Let's see

814
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:13,319
some hands.

815
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:20,559
» Okay, I think that tells you right
there.

816
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:27,119
» What was the what was the the current um
price per for

817
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:31,839
» and change?
So are I mean granted there are are some

818
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:35,680
adjustments that township makes to
account for like things like

819
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:43,680
delinquencies. Oh no no no actually I'm
sorry. No that's on us. Yeah. Um our

820
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:53,880
price our quarterly price as the lowest
responsive bidder was 9450 per quart.

821
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,880
So we are we're lower than current

822
00:59:54,240 --> 01:00:01,280
and we are the lowest responsive bid. We
fil we filled the form out. Correct.

823
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:05,359
» Okay. Well, we have till December. Do we
want to put this on homemark?

824
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:09,280
» If you want to we can we can tailor this
till the next meeting if you want. But

825
01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:13,280
» may I jump in here? So I did ask a
question to the township which was

826
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:17,520
answered. They were looking for
according to Miss Dell and I don't know

827
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:22,559
if you know consult with your township
manager but they were looking for a per

828
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:27,920
unit price per year. That's the way we
broke it out. uh you're also looking for

829
01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:31,359
a low volume service which we broke out.
There's nothing wrong with breaking out

830
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:34,880
your prices. You want to add the three
together, you get the same number that

831
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:39,920
they're at or average. Uh the reason we
did it that way was to be responsive

832
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:44,480
because if you're asking for low volume,
you can't go into a bid and say, "All

833
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:47,680
right, our regular price is 334." And
then all of a sudden you accept our bid,

834
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:52,400
but we didn't give you a low volume
price. So to me and as a township

835
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:56,480
resident I would want visibility to all
those things which we provided very well

836
01:00:54,559 --> 01:01:01,680
laid out there for the threeear and then
plus the two extra terms. So to me it

837
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:05,280
seems very straightforward.
There was an option for the low volume

838
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:10,960
price though was there was an op there
was a a line portion that asked for the

839
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:16,319
price for the bag
which was the low volume option that was

840
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:20,960
presented
>> which was filled out on the

841
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:26,079
» you [clears throat] had another resident
question

842
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:33,920
» oh sorry are we are they still going to
take big items and and brush Yes.

843
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:37,200
That's that's part of the that's part of
the the township put that together. That

844
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,920
that's part of it.
>> And Christmas tree, I suppose.

845
01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:45,280
» Yes.
>> Yeah. Is Darl

846
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:50,319
» um during the last negotiations years
ago, we got a number of dumpsters

847
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:53,839
included in the bid. Are you
>> with the fire company? You're saying

848
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:57,520
» is that still going to be included?
>> I believe that was in the bid.

849
01:01:55,839 --> 01:02:00,240
» Yes, they were included.
>> Yep.

850
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:07,280
» Okay. Stop by.
>> Yeah, good question. Would there be u

851
01:02:03,839 --> 01:02:10,559
any uh reason for us not to vote on it
tonight? I

852
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:15,680
» mean, their highest year [clears throat]
is still lower than everybody else's

853
01:02:12,319 --> 01:02:20,480
average, right? So,
I don't see there's any reason to delay

854
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:24,799
this. I'm I'm comfortable. Again, you
know, I I can't say what how every

855
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:28,640
anybody's going to respond, but I think
it's entirely defensible that we took a

856
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:31,200
bid that was significantly lower than
everybody else.

857
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:36,480
» Okay.
>> In in the bid contract and and Erin and

858
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:39,520
I went through this, we did ask for our
bid for the first three years, we didn't

859
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:42,559
say it had to stay the same all three
years. And I think that's where good

860
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:45,680
simply said each year we do it
differently. So, I don't I don't find

861
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:49,359
that being unresponsive or
non-responsive. I think they chose to

862
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:53,200
break it out differently than at one
price for the first three years, then

863
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:57,483
escalator for the next two. That's how I
saw it.

864
01:02:55,463 --> 01:02:57,483
[snorts]

865
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:05,520
» But then again, if we take the first
three years, um the other companies,

866
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:07,520
they're the same for all three years.
>> Right.

867
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,799
» But they're still higher. They're still
higher.

868
01:03:07,839 --> 01:03:13,440
» But they're still higher.
>> Correct. Right. Correct.

869
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:16,240
» Uh so each one is higher than even our
third year.

870
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:19,839
» Right. That's what I'm saying. actually
down to uh the second year extension

871
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,520
which is five years.
>> Yeah.

872
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,559
» So
>> which is why we kind of we took the

873
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:29,599
charge and then summed at the bottom
looking at the first three years that's

874
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:32,319
that in the initial three-year cost per
household

875
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:35,680
» just to try to give a fair way to make
sure we're looking at it right. We

876
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:41,680
balanced them out and and goods came out
lower. And if others had chosen to to

877
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:46,160
alter their price per year each year, we
we would have run those numbers and

878
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:50,799
looked at it. But based on the total bid
value looking at the first three years

879
01:03:48,319 --> 01:03:55,480
and the two escalator years I believe
goods was a response to better in the

880
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,480
lowest.

881
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:05,039
» The totes
>> well if and if you have if you have low

882
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:09,119
volume they're still going to get some
kind of a um can card or something.

883
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:13,440
» That's what I'm suggesting. The midsp
spec do bags. I can tell you I can speak

884
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:19,599
probably for everybody in this row. bags
are an issue problem rather give smaller

885
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:24,559
to the low volume than do bags.
>> Well, we can we can give the toters out

886
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:29,280
for $39 [clears throat] a year.
>> I can say that

887
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:36,480
» I like the large to even though I'm by
myself. I still like having the large.

888
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:41,839
» Okay. Do um I hear any uh
recommendations for um approval to vote

889
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:46,000
on this tonight? Yeah, I think we can
prove on it. What's your thoughts, John?

890
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:48,799
» Uh, I think we're fine. Let's do it.
>> I'll make a motion to approve goods as

891
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:52,160
the new trash hauler.
>> And I'll second that.

892
01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:53,920
» All in favor say I.
>> I.

893
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:58,400
» I.
>> Any discussion?

894
01:04:56,799 --> 01:05:05,760
» Good.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you.

895
01:05:01,839 --> 01:05:12,160
» Okay. Uh 2027 SPCA animal care and
housing agreement. Now, that's one I

896
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:17,160
would like to hold off on a little bit.
>> I didn't really get a chance to read

897
01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:17,160
through everything.

898
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:22,559
» I really didn't get a chance to read
through everything. So, did you guys

899
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:27,359
have a chance to
>> Yeah, I did it. And and Okay, I did have

900
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:32,079
a question on the one here. One of the
specs to what we took in here.

901
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:34,000
» Yeah, I did too. And I was looking at
that and I thought that's an awful lot

902
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:38,240
of questions.
>> Well, okay. What what is the the TNR

903
01:05:36,799 --> 01:05:41,039
cats? [clears throat]
>> Trap SN

904
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:44,640
» trap and release.
>> Trap and release. Okay. What's the SN

905
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:49,039
stand for?
>> Spay and neuter. Okay. I'm thinking I'm

906
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:52,720
thinking serial level.
>> Yeah. [laughter] They're they're feral

907
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:58,000
cats that they uh trap and then they
take them in and then they spay and

908
01:05:55,359 --> 01:06:03,359
neuter them and they clip their ear. So
if they are trapped again, they know

909
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:06,559
that they're uh not going to raise the
price on that, I believe.

910
01:06:04,799 --> 01:06:10,720
» Okay. So you got what a
>> So the stray Okay. What What are the

911
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:13,599
just the strays at? Is that just a stray
that someone took in?

912
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:17,680
» Well, there are people here in the
township that actually will catch them

913
01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:20,799
where they're running around at and go
get them spayed and ne and they bring

914
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:24,880
them back from where they called them
and let them go. I'm glad

915
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:29,839
» owner surrendered with seven
>> and then the forms do that.

916
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:35,440
Like a lot of farmers do that.
>> It's not just like there are places

917
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:41,599
where people do not
>> because I have multiple stray cats in my

918
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:46,400
» my dog hates cats too,
>> but it's okay.

919
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:51,520
» So studies have shown that the the TNR
program, which is trap, neuter, release,

920
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:56,480
is one of the most effective ways to
manage deferral cat population. If you

921
01:06:54,480 --> 01:07:01,440
go and you trap them and you relocate
them, it just creates a vacancy, if you

922
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:06,400
will, in that colony and the colonies
will only get so big and then it it's

923
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:09,680
they move on. So, if they keep having
babies, then then the colonies spread

924
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:15,599
and they get bigger and bigger. Correct.
>> If you do a TNR program, um, then you

925
01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:19,520
are limiting the reproductive process of
these feral cats.

926
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:24,880
It is. But my concern with all that is
the fact that this township paid them

927
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:31,039
more money to keep them and then they
raised the cost of that. I believe it's

928
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:37,200
now like $40. Is anybody on there with
it? Used to be 20, but I think it's 40

929
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:42,400
now. If if we as a township do not sign
an agreement with the SPCA, then that

930
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:46,160
creates problems for us because then if
we have stray animals, then we have not

931
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,400
able to take them there.
>> Yeah. if we don't have an agreement with

932
01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:54,319
them.
>> And we had a big problem last year

933
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:59,599
because if we didn't sign a contract, u
not only would they not take it, but if

934
01:07:56,319 --> 01:08:05,039
we did sign a contract at that time,
they had to be brought in by

935
01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:08,480
police officer who who wants to put a
crazy dog in the back of their car.

936
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:12,960
» That's that's not a good use of
>> or we had to have a uh animal uh

937
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,119
» controller
>> controller,

938
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:18,880
» which we don't have right now either. We
don't have an animal. So, two separate

939
01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:21,520
pieces. One is having the SPCA as a
place we can take the animals to and

940
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:25,839
then animal control officer that goes
out and gets them. I know Becky, you had

941
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:29,759
done some research on this when we you
first started. Um, is there anything you

942
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:32,400
want to add to this about what you
learned?

943
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:37,359
» Well,
you already said basically what I

944
01:08:34,799 --> 01:08:42,880
learned that that you want the contract
because otherwise you have no recourse.

945
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:47,600
If an animal shows up and you're trying
to get it someplace, there's just

946
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:50,960
nothing. They will turn you away. They
will not accept it if you don't have the

947
01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:56,719
contract.
>> And the animal control officer helps

948
01:08:53,440 --> 01:09:01,520
because that's somebody who can respond
and take it from your property and

949
01:08:58,992 --> 01:09:05,839
[snorts] get it to the SBCA. If you
don't have that, then that falls on the

950
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:08,400
property owner, whoever is there dealing
with with the stray animal.

951
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:13,679
» Right.
>> You had a question. Um I have like

952
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:19,279
followed the SPCA. The one thing was
last year um Adams County asked um

953
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:24,640
nobody in this area to keep bringing
their we've been taking our cats over to

954
01:09:21,440 --> 01:09:30,719
Adams County because the SPCA in York
was not taking cats.

955
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:37,520
» So I would kind of be hesitant on what I
agree with with the SPCA. Also their

956
01:09:33,839 --> 01:09:43,279
their person in charge um doesn't like
smells of cats. don't doesn't like the

957
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:46,880
environment, so they rent out the um the
bank next door and that's where he works

958
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,799
out of.
>> So, um

959
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,239
» Wow.
>> Yeah.

960
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:54,159
» I mean,
>> are you talking about Stephen?

961
01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:56,880
» Is that the guy?
>> I think so. Yeah, he's the guy in

962
01:09:56,239 --> 01:10:01,920
charge.
>> Yeah, he was the guy that wouldn't leave

963
01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:04,080
unless I signed a contract.
>> Wow.

964
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:09,440
» And then I just got up and left the
room. So, I guess he left. Or is he

965
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:12,480
still back here? [laughter]
I'm just saying they feel like they're

966
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:17,120
the only game in town.
>> Yeah. Well, and basically they are and a

967
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:20,719
lot of people when they they wouldn't
take them they would take them up to

968
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:24,880
Adams County and then Adams County was
really throwing a fed. So when I went up

969
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:29,360
to Yeah. When I went up to Northern
Regional, um, it wasn't about police

970
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:32,960
work or anything, but I asked all the
other commissioners from other

971
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:40,480
municipalities, you know, what their
thought was, and I got with them to bulk

972
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:45,840
about it. And we ended up through the 11
municipalities having that change that

973
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:51,840
yes, they would take the animals
>> because before and it started out at

974
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:56,480
like 3,000, $4,000, kept going up. This
year it's $7,759.

975
01:10:54,719 --> 01:10:59,920
» I think if you look at their pay, like
this the person in charge.

976
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,960
» Oh yeah, they're getting paid.
>> Yeah, it's a lot of money.

977
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:06,800
» Well, it looks like if if I'm calculate
the numbers right, it looks like they

978
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:11,239
took in 199 cats and at that price
that's $39 a cat

979
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:18,080
for last year.
>> Well, they taking dogs, too.

980
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:21,440
» Well, I'm just Well, it just says stray
intakes.

981
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:24,760
» Oh, okay. So, they took in 199 animals
from what I

982
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:29,040
» do. [snorts] We want to do we want to
review this a little bit.

983
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:32,719
» Sure. There's no rush.
>> Yeah.

984
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:39,600
» Uh we have till December something here.
I forget what the date was um to

985
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:43,280
» I think it's mid December to sign this.
>> We could discuss it especially during

986
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:47,679
our budget meeting. Right.
>> We can.

987
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:52,880
They do they do a lot of work. If um
there's an abusive family uh and

988
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:56,880
somebody one of the spouses has to move
out or the children, they take in the

989
01:11:55,440 --> 01:12:01,840
animals at no charge.
>> The only thing is with that though, and

990
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:05,920
I know this for firsthand, I know too
many people that have lost their animals

991
01:12:03,679 --> 01:12:12,480
by doing that. They get homeless and
they're stuck somewhere and they have no

992
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:17,920
other recourse to do except take their
animal there to be on a 30 day hold so

993
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:21,840
they can get back on their feet and then
within

994
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:27,440
» a week of that animal being there, that
animal is gone.

995
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:30,719
They don't uphold what they say.
>> Well, when we went in there and did the

996
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:34,880
Torah, the only thing I seen in there
were cats and pitbulls.

997
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:40,239
That was the, you know, basically the
only animal they had

998
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:45,280
» $40 now for TNR and it used to be 20.
>> So that's a lot of money for people who

999
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:49,360
are volunteeringly picking that animal
up, taking it there, getting it taken

1000
01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:53,040
care of, and then coming back to get it
because there are people who are

1001
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:57,360
actually citizens who are putting that
out of their pocket to control the

1002
01:12:55,520 --> 01:13:01,280
population,
right? And for them to keep raising the

1003
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:04,480
cost and then asking for more money from
us.

1004
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:08,880
I I got a little bit. [cough]
>> Well, that's why we every year it's just

1005
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:13,600
you can always count on her Loretta
getting irritated about it. So,

1006
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:16,960
» well, I'm right there with you because I
don't feel like

1007
01:13:14,719 --> 01:13:21,600
» Well, and you always hear uh people
because uh money to them through, you

1008
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:25,600
know, funerals and things and uh you
know, they seem to get a lot of money

1009
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:30,400
and they get a lot of food donations. I
mean, bags and bags. When I went in

1010
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:35,920
there, they had they had skids of food
and they had um and they said that this

1011
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:40,320
was all donated and cases of cat food
and litter and

1012
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:45,760
» and we need to do a right to know. But
point well taken though if if they would

1013
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:52,400
keep the price at $20 an hour. It is
actually saving the SBCA anyway because

1014
01:13:50,000 --> 01:14:01,760
it it's they're doing it as by their
doctors. But if per say uh if they ch

1015
01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:05,679
raise the the price for you know the TNR
at 40 people are not going to want to do

1016
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:09,600
that. So then the cats are going to just
multiply. People are just going to just

1017
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:14,400
let them row. Okay. Then you're going to
have all these people gathered getting

1018
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:19,600
fit by or getting strapped by strays
that don't have their vaccinations and

1019
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:25,600
so forth. Then you have um
>> just other just other things to where

1020
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:29,360
the animals are not being taken care of.
>> But if you keep it if they would

1021
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:33,760
actually keep it at $20 where people are
okay with that, they're still getting

1022
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:38,000
the animal back. They're feeding it.
Sometimes they can get them nice enough

1023
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:40,159
to where they'll actually bring them in
their house and they get their shots.

1024
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,960
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1025
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:46,159
» It's just I think it's a money grab
through SPC.

1026
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:50,719
» I think you're right. And at at some
point to your point, Sherry Sheree, is

1027
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:53,520
that uh people will be like, why what's
what's the point, you know, why get

1028
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,920
involved? Because it's too expensive.
>> We got we got a rabies outbreak up in

1029
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:58,960
Ed.
>> Yes. I've seen Yeah. Somebody was bit

1030
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:02,640
by.
>> I've read somewhere it's been several

1031
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:06,239
now.
>> Yeah. Yeah. The only thing if we don't

1032
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:10,159
sign it, they kind of have you over a
barrel. If you don't sign it, they won't

1033
01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:13,360
take any of your animals, which which is
bad.

1034
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:16,320
» Can we counter propose at all?
>> Maybe we need to get with other.

1035
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:18,239
» Do you ever talk to Stephen? What's
Steven's last name?

1036
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:22,719
» Martinez.
>> Martinez. Do you ever talk to Steven

1037
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:26,800
Martinez? He's an idiot.
>> Maybe we need to get through his

1038
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:31,280
township.
>> All the townships put their foot down

1039
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:33,840
saying this what we'll do. So we all get
together with different townships and

1040
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:37,920
become a team.
>> Yeah. And that's what happened last time

1041
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:43,520
and then they agreed. Okay. Okay. We'll
take them. So, [clears throat]

1042
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:46,480
» all right. Well, we'll put that on hold.
>> Question. Um, I know you guys said

1043
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:50,719
you're going to put it on hold and
investigate a little bit more and maybe

1044
01:15:48,719 --> 01:15:55,120
you have the numbers up there, but it'd
be interesting to see on their special

1045
01:15:52,560 --> 01:16:00,239
programs as well, how many of those that
they're actually doing and how many of

1046
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:03,120
» benefit Konaga Township residents,
>> right? How is this benefiting Konagago

1047
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,000
Township?
>> Yeah,

1048
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:13,120
» because if not, there is the option that
you could look at working with a

1049
01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:13,120
private nonprofit instead.

1050
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:18,280
one at a time. There's a couple of them
out [laughter] there.

1051
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:26,960
» We looked at them before and no one
wanted to help us.

1052
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:31,440
» I was a couple years ago now.
>> I just want to let you like the York

1053
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:37,760
Revolution. They do
the beneficiary this year.

1054
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:43,280
» So they do have a lot of money coming in
from private organizations. Yeah.

1055
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:47,920
» And when I went in and toured uh when we
balked about it last year, uh Northern

1056
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:54,528
Regional Chief went along in and a bunch
of people and uh they kind of have a um

1057
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:58,480
uh conveyor line that when
[clears throat] they spay or neuter uh

1058
01:16:56,480 --> 01:17:04,560
the one and it only takes a couple
seconds to do it because the one person

1059
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:08,800
gives them the anesthesia and they pass
them down the table. The next one shaves

1060
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:13,840
them, pass down the table, next one cuts
them open, and then the doctor, it takes

1061
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:21,199
a like I forget how many she said she
did in like in an hour. It was

1062
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:25,840
unbelievable how many. Then they just
send it down and somebody stitches them

1063
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:29,520
up and gives them the u puts them back
in their cage and they're good to go.

1064
01:17:27,679 --> 01:17:33,120
And it takes very little time. It's
almost like, you know, an assembly line.

1065
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,760
» Conveyor belt.
>> Yeah. It's like a conveyor belt going

1066
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:40,560
down. [laughter]
Okay, we're going to u you ought to go

1067
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:46,273
in there and tour it sometime and and uh
tell Stephen Martinez I sent you.

1068
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:50,239
» I just to just to follow up on um
[laughter] the comment made, I I think

1069
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:56,239
we should definitely investigate other
other opportunities for the township to

1070
01:17:53,520 --> 01:18:00,080
maybe there are other nonprofits that we
should welcome into the township. I

1071
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:03,600
mean, I mean, maybe you've done we've
done research before, but let's let's

1072
01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:08,480
take another look.
>> Well, and when Shannon was here, uh, she

1073
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:13,600
asked them for a detailed list of how
many dogs we got and how many cats it

1074
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:17,600
came out of Connival Township, and they
said, "Oh, if we do that for everybody,

1075
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:20,960
we're going to hire more people. It's
going to cost more money." And they they

1076
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:24,560
wouldn't give it to us.
>> So, I don't know if you could do it

1077
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:27,840
right to know on a nonprofit like that.
I don't know.

1078
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:30,000
» You you check that out. I think that's
on the planning.

1079
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:34,560
» I'll just play a field trip.
>> The planning department that's a zoning

1080
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:38,640
that's a zoning issue. Yeah, the zoning
on the zoning board a little bit.

1081
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:44,440
» Okay, you get on that, Sherry. All
right. Uh, so we're going to just table

1082
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:44,440
that. Okay.

1083
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:53,040
» All right. The next one, uh, brush truck
for Strtown Fire Company.

1084
01:18:49,679 --> 01:18:59,199
» Yep. Okay, I'll take this. Um,
I'm the liaison for Strtown Fire

1085
01:18:55,440 --> 01:19:02,800
Company. Um, I also sit as an officer on
there. I'm a I'm the chief engineer,

1086
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:10,320
which I'm in charge of all the the
equipment. Um, our brush truck failed

1087
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:14,239
inspection. It's a 1997 Ford. I think
it's a 450. Yeah, right there it is.

1088
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:21,280
Actually, that that failed inspection
here. It's 30 years old. Um, it has low

1089
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:27,440
miles on, but we right now it's out of
service uh because it won't pass

1090
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:33,679
inspection. So, I hate to put money in
an old 30-y old truck. I just can't see

1091
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:37,840
putting money into it. Um,
so I Let me just go down through some

1092
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:46,159
numbers here. What what we're looking at
here. We're 100% volunteer. Last year

1093
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:49,520
for 2025, we ran 459 calls.
And then I I'll just go down through the

1094
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:56,640
list of equipment here of what year it
is, how old it is. Engine 261 is a 2023,

1095
01:19:53,520 --> 01:20:02,480
which is our newest piece. Engine 262 is
a 2003.

1096
01:19:58,719 --> 01:20:09,440
Engine 263 is a 1991.
Engine 264 is a 2001. [clears throat]

1097
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:15,440
Our rescue is a 2006, which was donated
by ES3.

1098
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:22,560
Um, our tanker is a 1999.
Our brush truck is a 1997.

1099
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:29,440
The chief's truck is a 2024
and our traffic unit is a 2017.

1100
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:32,560
Now, we do take in we do take in the
fire tax which is including everyone's

1101
01:20:31,335 --> 01:20:39,760
[clears throat] taxes for their
property. Last year, we took in on the

1102
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:45,600
fire tax was 181,000 in fire tax.
In 2025, our expenses were all but

1103
01:20:42,719 --> 01:20:50,239
226,000.
So, we're we're we have a shortfall of

1104
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:54,080
roughly 44,000 a year that we have to
raise.

1105
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:58,960
Now, we do get state relief money which
comes to the township and which gets

1106
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:05,280
then transferred directly to the fire
company. Um that was 65,000

1107
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:10,159
last year and that varies. One year
it'll be 50ome,000, the next year it'll

1108
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:14,960
be more. and and that that that is
outofstate insurance money that it comes

1109
01:21:12,719 --> 01:21:18,800
back to the and they distribute that to
the the fire companies within

1110
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:23,280
Pennsylvania. So, you never know exactly
what you're getting there. That money

1111
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:29,440
has to be used for
um safety safety of firefighters is what

1112
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:35,840
it has to be used for. Um you know,
equipment certain things equipment wise

1113
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:40,800
on the trucks. Uh we can't use it for a
building. We can't use it for a truck.

1114
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:45,760
We can't use it for anything else. Um,
our chicken barbecues,

1115
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:50,320
we're if if the ones we do there now, I
mean, it's a whole day. You got a whole

1116
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:54,320
I don't know how how many people help
with that, Darl? Do you know? And 15

1117
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:58,880
» of the members.
>> Yeah, probably 15, 20, 25 members help

1118
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:02,639
with that. That's a whole day. We make
like $2,000 on that.

1119
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:05,840
» How many do you have a year?
>> Uh, typically two.

1120
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:09,120
» How many do you have this year?
>> We had one already. We have another one.

1121
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:13,440
We have another one scheduled. We
actually have a shrimp feed um that you

1122
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:18,560
had to buy tickets for that is actually
in like two weeks. So, we are we are

1123
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:22,159
doing fundraisers, but
we we are trying to raise money

1124
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:26,719
ourselves as far as that. But my gosh,
it it for $2,000 for a whole day's work

1125
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:33,679
for 20 people, it's just not worth it.
We might as well each donate a hundred

1126
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:38,239
bucks and stay home. Uh but it it's uh
so I I'm I'm coming to the township to

1127
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:44,000
ask if the township would consider
buying either a brush truck or a mini

1128
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:48,239
pumper for the fire company and that and
that serves our whole community here and

1129
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:52,880
and actually surrounding community. We
get called out to Manchester, York

1130
01:22:50,639 --> 01:22:58,719
Haven. Uh we we get called all over the
place that we respond to which if we

1131
01:22:55,760 --> 01:23:01,600
need help, everybody comes in. I when we
had that field fire down there at Rex

1132
01:23:00,159 --> 01:23:05,280
Roth, there was [clears throat] there
was I I think I remember seeing a

1133
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:07,840
Maryland fire company there with a brush
truck because we needed brush trucks.

1134
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:13,440
There was there was fire companies from
everywhere. Uh

1135
01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:19,360
plus we had we had we had two or three
of our engines there plus our brush

1136
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:23,199
truck. But uh the the brush truck is a
vital piece for us because it we have a

1137
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:28,560
lot of mountain area. We do have a lot
of areas that we can't get an engine in.

1138
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:33,679
uh whether it's trees that overhang
driveways, whether the driveways are too

1139
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:38,080
steep, um someplace we got to cross a
culvert and we can't get our we don't

1140
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:41,040
want to take a you know a million and a
half dollar engine in there just because

1141
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:46,480
we're afraid we're going to end up in
the culvert. Uh,

1142
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:51,360
so I I'm I'm requesting
through the fire company. Basically, I'm

1143
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:59,040
I'm initiating this to see if the
township would would help us or or even

1144
01:23:55,120 --> 01:24:04,719
or even pay for an either a fresh truck
or or a I I personally would like to see

1145
01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:11,679
a mini pumper. A mini pumper is about
$100,000 more. Um, if we in my, this is

1146
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:16,800
only my opinion now, if we were able to
get a mini pumper,

1147
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:22,800
» I could see us selling our 1991 engine 3
and get that out of service. Get sell

1148
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:28,960
it. Um, engine two would become a a
reserve engine. And we would probably

1149
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:34,239
respond out of station two here with a
mini pumper. Um, which typically the

1150
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:39,920
mini pumper is is going to get to the
our mountain areas first.

1151
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:44,719
Uh and and it could be utilized as a
brush truck as well. Um they're

1152
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:51,199
four-wheel drive. They're half the size
of an engine. Um they carry typically

1153
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:56,400
around 300 gallons of water where an
engine will carry, you know, 6 to 800

1154
01:24:53,760 --> 01:25:04,480
gallons of water. Um but you can at
least get a quick response on a whether

1155
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:06,800
it's a house fire, car fire. Uh,
>> so yeah, that that's kind of where I'm

1156
01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:11,199
at.
>> My question to you, what benefits what

1157
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:16,159
benefits Kanago more?
>> Well, and and this is my personal

1158
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:22,239
opinion, but I I think I think a a mini
pumper would would serve it would be a

1159
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:27,840
it would be a first piece out of the
station where a brush truck, you know,

1160
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:36,239
is only going to come out when we have a
field fire, when we have mountain fire.

1161
01:25:31,679 --> 01:25:38,719
Um, this is the price for a mini pumper.
>> Okay. What's the price for a uh brush

1162
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:44,000
truck?
>> For a brush truck, you're around 300,000

1163
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:48,800
for a brush truck. Uh, a mini pumper is
is just under 400,000. Now, that's

1164
01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:52,320
that's no equipment on it. No hose, no
nothing,

1165
01:25:49,679 --> 01:25:54,400
» but you could use your state money for
that.

1166
01:25:52,639 --> 01:25:58,639
» No, you can't use state you can't use
relief money for equipment. Not Not for

1167
01:25:56,639 --> 01:26:01,760
an engine. Am I right in that?
>> Okay. Yeah, you can't you can't use

1168
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:04,159
relief money for it.
>> Use that relief money to buy the stuff

1169
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:09,440
that we
>> you can use some but that relief money

1170
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:11,360
goes typically that goes to to buy stuff
for the current equipment.

1171
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:15,440
» Okay.
>> Not to I mean we we could cover you know

1172
01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:20,080
some hose and stuff like that.
>> So could we go to some of these

1173
01:26:17,679 --> 01:26:23,600
businesses in the township and ask for
donations?

1174
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:27,440
» We we tried we've tried that.
>> We do that every year. We bag and we bag

1175
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:32,080
and we bag.
>> Yeah. They just don't cooperate.

1176
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:35,280
» Now, see, we did we did
I came up with this when we were putting

1177
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:39,920
these warehouses in. I asked for the
warehouses to pay [snorts] so much per

1178
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:46,080
square foot to donate to the fire
company. And those funds are set aside

1179
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:50,000
for a a truck fund. I don't And we only
have it's

1180
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:55,520
» it's under 200,000. It's under 200,000
in that truck fund, but that that truck

1181
01:26:52,480 --> 01:27:01,040
fund I would like to keep for some of
our other aging equipment like like the

1182
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:05,360
engine that sits back here. It's a 2003
uh you know that's already 23 years old

1183
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:11,120
but 24 years old.
>> Did you guys apply for any of the uh

1184
01:27:07,679 --> 01:27:14,800
state capital grants through
>> that comes up we apply for?

1185
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:17,280
» So did you not you weren't successful in
getting those?

1186
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:20,960
» Uh we get we get grants. We do. We just
got one. Uh, and they're and they're all

1187
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:25,840
specific like we just got one. We put a
an exhaust system in in you know like

1188
01:27:23,679 --> 01:27:30,560
when you start a truck up in the shop or
in the in the uh station there. We have

1189
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:34,800
an exhaust system now [clears throat]
that every piece hooks to that when you

1190
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:37,840
start that when you pull out it
automatically disconnects that you know

1191
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,840
you're not breathing the fumes in.
>> Right.

1192
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:43,360
» Um
uh let's see. I forget what the other

1193
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:46,880
» What about the uh fundraiser that you
send out the papers? We we do get

1194
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:51,520
» How much do you get?
>> We do get from that.

1195
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:54,639
» I'm I'm not sure what that that number
is. I don't have that right.

1196
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:57,679
» I think she reported like 14 something.
>> 14,000. Yeah.

1197
01:27:56,159 --> 01:27:59,440
» It's time for you guys to hit the roads
with boots.

1198
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:02,239
» What's that?
>> It's time to hit the corners with the

1199
01:28:00,719 --> 01:28:03,840
boots. [laughter]
>> Well,

1200
01:28:02,719 --> 01:28:07,120
» we need volunteers.
>> Yeah, we need we need volunteers, too.

1201
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:10,320
So, that that's the other thing. If
>> go to the high school and get the high

1202
01:28:08,719 --> 01:28:13,360
school kids who have to put in volunteer
hours.

1203
01:28:10,719 --> 01:28:17,679
» Well, they got to be 18. I'm talking
firefighters. They got to be 18 to

1204
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:20,400
» talking. You could get the high
schoolers have to put in volunteer

1205
01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:23,600
hours.
>> Give them a boo.

1206
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:31,040
» Yeah. One of the things I I will say uh
Loretta and I went to a um uh went to a

1207
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:35,600
uh York County uh PATS convention. Was
it 2024

1208
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:37,920
» or 25? Where was last year or the year
before?

1209
01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:43,280
» 24.
the the volunteer fire departments that

1210
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:49,199
are in Pennsylvania are under extreme
strain right now and that that in 2024

1211
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:55,360
we were tipped off that
>> eventually it's going to uh we're going

1212
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:59,840
to hit a cliff and it'll move to a
>> more of a paid type of environment

1213
01:28:57,679 --> 01:29:05,840
because they're on average some of the
fire companies have uh volunteers that

1214
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:12,159
are in their 70s and 80s and you know
that's just it's not what it was. And

1215
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:16,000
with that, the the support of those fire
departments are is lacking. And I always

1216
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:20,719
say this, you don't need them until you
need them. And then all of a sudden, you

1217
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:24,960
would have, could have, should have. And
then, you know, that doesn't help, you

1218
01:29:22,639 --> 01:29:29,360
know, the community. So, um,
>> well, the beginning of last year, I did

1219
01:29:26,639 --> 01:29:32,800
reach out to Yafer, which is our local
fire department here, uh, that is a paid

1220
01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:36,320
fire department,
>> just to get some numbers to know what

1221
01:29:34,639 --> 01:29:41,440
what we were looking at if we would ever
have to go that route. Uh, it was it was

1222
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:47,679
like $1.3 million and that that only
gave you two guys for 40 hours a week.

1223
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:50,239
Um, and that was Yeah, that I mean that
that's what we're

1224
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:53,440
» Well, you have full coverage, though.
It's not like they'd work 40 hours, go

1225
01:29:52,239 --> 01:29:55,920
home, and you wouldn't have covered.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're not here.

1226
01:29:54,639 --> 01:30:00,639
They're They're here 40 hours a week.
That's it. And that was two That was two

1227
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:04,239
guys. Now, if you had That wasn't full
coverage. That wasn't full coverage.

1228
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:06,800
» Uh,
>> I think we'd have to research it. I I

1229
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:11,760
just
>> so with our big our big companies like

1230
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:15,840
Carvana who is sitting here as a
multi-million dollar company in our

1231
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:20,000
community. Do they not donate or support
our local fire department even though we

1232
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:23,360
are the ones who respond to their fires?
>> They also well they they also pay the

1233
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:25,840
fire tax which which whatever their
property is valued at, they're going to

1234
01:30:24,719 --> 01:30:28,159
pay, you know,
>> a proportionate amount.

1235
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:31,600
» Yeah, it it is.
>> But where does the fire tax go?

1236
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,920
» Where does the fire
>> Does it directly go to you?

1237
01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:34,639
» That goes directly to the fire company.
Yeah.

1238
01:30:34,239 --> 01:30:36,239
» Okay.
>> Yeah.

1239
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:40,080
» Yeah. Um,
>> which for last year was

1240
01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:42,880
» 18181,000
last year.

1241
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:44,400
» So, do we have the option to raise our
fire tax?

1242
01:30:43,679 --> 01:30:47,360
» We do.
>> We do.

1243
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:51,120
» We do, but I I I don't want to do that.
Like right now, the township has money

1244
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:56,960
in reserves
>> that it's it's your tax dollars anyway.

1245
01:30:53,760 --> 01:31:01,040
» So, so rather than raise that fire tax,
the township has it in reserves now. So,

1246
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:05,280
I I'm asking the township to pull that
from reserves, give it to the fire

1247
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:09,760
company to buy this piece up up to this
point to buy that engine or or brush

1248
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:15,199
truck or whatever we decide.
>> Uh, and and not raise the fire tax. You

1249
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:18,880
know, I'm not one to raise fire any any
tax. I don't I don't like raising any

1250
01:31:16,719 --> 01:31:22,400
taxes. If we can work within our means,
that's what we're going to do. I

1251
01:31:20,719 --> 01:31:24,639
understand that. But we have some really
big multi-million dollar companies.

1252
01:31:23,723 --> 01:31:29,280
[laughter]
They have a lot of square foot

1253
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:30,239
» and that's what happened when ES3 came
in.

1254
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:34,639
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. They Yeah. They donated

1255
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:38,159
» donated the engine which was a couple
hundred thousand.

1256
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:42,800
» Yeah. Well, our new engine was was all
but a million bucks for the new engine.

1257
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:46,320
But, you know, you look at like, who has
the biggest I don't say biggest benefit,

1258
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:52,080
but you know, they
>> Well, I can tell you I I don't know that

1259
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:53,199
I've ever been to a call at Carvana.
>> Yeah.

1260
01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:55,120
» Ever,
>> right?

1261
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:59,520
» You know, even when it was paid, I I I
don't think I've ever been there on a

1262
01:31:56,719 --> 01:32:04,400
call. It's typically a residence
>> or or an accident somewhere. Now,

1263
01:32:02,239 --> 01:32:09,760
granted, ES3, we we're there quite
often. Now, they we bill them, though.

1264
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:11,840
We build them. Well, usually that's a
false alarm.

1265
01:32:10,480 --> 01:32:14,400
» It is. It's typically a false alarm,
>> but they're build for that.

1266
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:16,639
» Yeah, but we're getting up at 2 o'clock
in the morning to go to a false alarm.

1267
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:21,040
» Absolutely.
>> And it's not it's not a lot.

1268
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:24,080
» No, it's not much. Do you remember how
much that is, Darl? That we

1269
01:32:22,639 --> 01:32:29,360
» the highest amount we ever made.
>> Yeah, but per per call though.

1270
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:32,800
» Oh, it it they're allowed three and then
charge after

1271
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:34,639
» and then we charge and I want to Is it
250?

1272
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:39,040
» Is it
>> after that? It's 250 or 300 something.

1273
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:43,679
Yeah, they get three three per year and
then after that it's so much per per

1274
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:47,120
false alarm.
>> It would just go, you know, if the

1275
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:50,400
community knew that
>> places like that were supporting our

1276
01:32:49,679 --> 01:32:54,320
fire department
>> and they do they like we'll get they

1277
01:32:52,639 --> 01:32:57,840
they'll donate plets of water to us.
They they'll do that kind of stuff. Now

1278
01:32:56,480 --> 01:33:02,239
granted, they're not donating a fire
truck, but

1279
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:05,520
» I say the marketing just because of all
the fundraising I've done for other

1280
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:07,920
organizations could really go a long way
towards community support,

1281
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:12,639
» right,
>> of having 500 trucks go past someone's

1282
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:16,320
house when they see that there's at
least some community investment. Yeah.

1283
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:17,440
» Towards that goodwill. Not saying we can
require it.

1284
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:20,639
» Yeah,
>> I know we can't, right?

1285
01:33:18,639 --> 01:33:26,400
» But that community goodwill goes a long
way when the community knows it happens.

1286
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:32,480
Well, and I don't know how long ago it's
been um that this um

1287
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:37,679
» for warehouses that for sings went in,
but a lot of those were 100,000.

1288
01:33:35,199 --> 01:33:41,520
» Uh no, I don't most of them were around
50. Like we had I know we had two one

1289
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:46,719
time and and that was that was 100,000
at one time, but we only have we only

1290
01:33:43,679 --> 01:33:50,560
have like 200,000 in the truck fund. Uh,
now granted, some of that may have been

1291
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:53,679
used when we bought the new truck, but
now that that truck's not paid for that

1292
01:33:52,239 --> 01:33:57,280
truck, we have a payment on that truck
every month.

1293
01:33:55,840 --> 01:34:01,760
» When was the last time that the actual
like service fees have been reviewed and

1294
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:04,719
kind of comped out at the other fire
departments across the area?

1295
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:09,760
» Service fees for what?
>> Like when do you get those callout fees?

1296
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:12,239
What is, I don't know, handover township
charging when they get called out to the

1297
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:15,520
X factory?
>> Right. Right. Yeah. That that

1298
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:20,400
» When's the last time your fee structure
updated as well as something.

1299
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:24,159
» Well, and like I said, most of it's
>> the false calls is not where we're

1300
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:29,679
really headed with this is. I mean, it's
the call volume in general. U you know,

1301
01:34:26,719 --> 01:34:33,920
at 459 calls last year, it's you know,
over a call a day. Now, granted,

1302
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:38,480
» we I've I've been on calls where we had
four calls in one day and then you don't

1303
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:40,960
have anything for a week. Uh and it
seemed to all always come in at like

1304
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:45,360
midnight or 2 o'clock,
>> of course. And on a Saturday.

1305
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:50,639
» Yeah. Yeah. When you But uh when you go
to different municipalities like Hanover

1306
01:34:47,679 --> 01:34:53,325
or whatever, that's that's just a mutual
>> it's mutual aid.

1307
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:55,440
» Basic.
[laughter]

1308
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:58,800
» So I don't know if there's actually a
fee schedule involved in that. No.

1309
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:02,320
» No, no, no. She's talking about asking
the other count what they charge to go

1310
01:35:00,719 --> 01:35:04,960
to a call like that. That is not
>> I think the bottom line [clears throat]

1311
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:09,120
is we need the truck.
>> Well, and Okay.

1312
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:12,159
» Talking about Yafer. I I just listened
to something that was online with them.

1313
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:15,840
They recorded a meeting that was with
some supervisors and whatnot and they

1314
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:20,960
there was a couple supervisors that were
upset I just just by listening to what I

1315
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:26,480
did there. They raised their fire budget
10% every year for the last five years.

1316
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:30,960
So that's 50% fire. They raised their
fire budget. Um and I know there's been

1317
01:35:28,639 --> 01:35:34,800
a lot of concern with them. They only
have two people on each piece of

1318
01:35:32,719 --> 01:35:39,360
equipment and they want three. That's
the state average is supposed to be

1319
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:43,840
three. So they're they're they're asking
for this increase in budget to try to

1320
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:47,280
get more manpower on each on each piece.
Now with us being volunteers,

1321
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:51,199
» there's times Daryl will go out by
himself. I go out by myself most of the

1322
01:35:49,199 --> 01:35:58,159
time. Uh granted, when we get there,
we're hoping somebody else is there, you

1323
01:35:52,960 --> 01:36:02,639
know, to help. Uh but uh but I I really
think I mean, is anyone opposed? I'll

1324
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:08,880
ask the public here. You guys are the
taxpayers. Would you be opposed to the

1325
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:13,639
township purchasing a
a $400,000 mini pumper?

1326
01:36:13,679 --> 01:36:21,440
» What is in the township reserve and what
is the reserve for mentally?

1327
01:36:20,239 --> 01:36:26,320
want to answer that for?
>> Well, we we have a pretty good reserve

1328
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:32,639
because we're really responsible in in
our spending and uh we have I'm not

1329
01:36:30,719 --> 01:36:36,639
quite sure. It's a couple million
dollars that we do have in there. So,

1330
01:36:34,719 --> 01:36:40,159
» well, and what what's the state the
state tells you to have?

1331
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:45,920
» You should have two years two years of
uh operating budget and what is ours?

1332
01:36:42,719 --> 01:36:51,199
Three three million a year.
>> A little over three million a year. So,

1333
01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:54,639
we really should have six, seven million
in the reserve and u

1334
01:36:53,199 --> 01:36:58,880
» and I think that's where we're at.
>> Yeah. But, um I have a couple questions

1335
01:36:57,119 --> 01:37:01,360
since you asked since you asked my
opinion.

1336
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:08,159
» I I do.
>> Okay. Uh one question is, um let me go

1337
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:12,000
back here and read this stuff. What's
wrong with the truck that it won't pass

1338
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:16,320
inspection? Is it something major or is
it does it need a new exhaust system?

1339
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:20,880
» No, no, no. It's it's the the whole back
of the bed is is is rusting out and it's

1340
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:23,119
it's where it's structural.
>> Okay.

1341
01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:26,880
» I just don't want to see us put, you
know, $20,000 in a 30-y old truck is the

1342
01:37:26,159 --> 01:37:31,040
reason.
>> Yep. I can see that. Um because

1343
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:35,199
sometimes the maintenance just
overwhelms it. It, you know, you just

1344
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:38,880
got to keep it, keep it, pour money into
it. Yeah.

1345
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:41,119
» So, yeah, I agree. Um would you get
money for this?

1346
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:45,679
» Yeah, we would. Yeah. And that would
that would go back into

1347
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:47,920
» Okay. And then if you also uh would sell
your white engine. Yep. You'd get money

1348
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:51,920
for that.
>> You don't get a lot. I mean, we'd be

1349
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:55,119
lucky to get probably $15,000 for
engine$39.

1350
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:57,760
» Maybe not even that. Yeah, we'd be lucky
to get that, you know. And that wouldn't

1351
01:37:56,239 --> 01:37:59,920
even that wouldn't even buy the hose to
put on a new truck.

1352
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:04,320
» Okay.
>> That that stuff is outrageously priced.

1353
01:38:02,639 --> 01:38:10,000
Even trucks are outrageously priced
right now. Everything is overpriced.

1354
01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:13,520
» Okay. And uh one other comment. Okay.
And you might not like this. Excuse me.

1355
01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:17,679
I got thick skin.
>> Ready?

1356
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:18,639
» Okay. I'm a leazison with Northern
Regional.

1357
01:38:18,239 --> 01:38:22,800
» Yeah.
>> Every month I give a report on Northern

1358
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:27,040
Regional. Every month Northern
Regionals's here. Where's the fire

1359
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:30,800
company? Until they want their hand out.
>> No,

1360
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:36,000
» no. I'm saying other municipalities I go
to, they have the fire chief there and

1361
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:39,119
they give a report. I don't remember
ever seeing a fire chief here.

1362
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:43,280
» I don't even know who the fire chief is
right now.

1363
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:45,840
» That's okay. or US Leazi, you should
give it now. Right now,

1364
01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:47,040
» I can give a report if you'd like it,
but

1365
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:50,800
» I think you should.
>> The problem is, okay, we have our we

1366
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:54,880
have our meeting tonight. It would be a
month late because because ours is too.

1367
01:38:53,199 --> 01:38:56,239
» Our meeting Yeah. But our meeting is not
until next week,

1368
01:38:55,920 --> 01:39:00,960
» right?
>> So, it Northern Regional isn't

1369
01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:02,960
» isn't until the third week.
>> Okay.

1370
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:05,840
» So, we're always a month behind.
>> Okay.

1371
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:10,480
» So, I think you I'll get to you now.
Sorry. Yeah, I can I can give a monthly,

1372
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:13,280
» but I think like right now we had no
idea how many calls you had.

1373
01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:17,679
» Yeah.
>> So,

1374
01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:21,440
» if we knew how much you worked and you
know how many people responded to calls

1375
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,719
and everything, I think it would help us
a lot.

1376
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:30,400
» It would. Yeah.
>> Um, and what about grants? Are you that

1377
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:34,000
you're not getting grants? Are you not
writing them correctly? We we try every

1378
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:36,400
time there's a grant out like right now
we're we're applying for one in

1379
01:39:35,199 --> 01:39:39,840
September here.
>> We have a structural issue with our

1380
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:43,840
station. So we're applying for a grant,
you know, for that.

1381
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:46,000
» But I'm thinking what if we would hire a
grant writer?

1382
01:39:44,719 --> 01:39:47,920
» We have one that we hire.
>> Oh, yeah. We have one that we've had.

1383
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:50,080
» Okay.
>> Yeah. And he's he's been very good for

1384
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:51,520
us, too.
>> Is it good?

1385
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:57,199
» Yes.
>> Okay. Darl, you had a question. Well,

1386
01:39:53,840 --> 01:40:00,800
I'd like to remind you that when I sat
on the board as the supervisor beside

1387
01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:04,800
you, Loretta,
>> we were giving you quarterly fair

1388
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:07,280
reports.
>> Yes.

1389
01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:09,679
» So, you have senior reports.
>> Oh, yeah.

1390
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,560
» All you need to do is ask.
>> Yeah.

1391
01:40:10,159 --> 01:40:16,000
» You know,
>> okay. All right. I'm asking for reports.

1392
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:20,880
» I'll I'll make a [laughter] report. I'll
bore you with a report.

1393
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:26,800
And actually those reports were all
handwritten on a ledger by um by Mr.

1394
01:40:24,719 --> 01:40:29,520
Hikes. He he did all this.
>> No, no, that was after it was after Ray.

1395
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:32,320
» Oh, was it?
>> I was on the board of supervisor after

1396
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:36,000
Ray retired.
>> And I think that's important to give us

1397
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:41,280
a little report on of what they do.
>> I can do that.

1398
01:40:36,719 --> 01:40:46,639
» Now, as far as uh the money here, um I'm
not in favor of 100%.

1399
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:50,239
I would be in favor of the 300. What do
you guys say? And then, you know, if

1400
01:40:48,639 --> 01:40:55,840
you're going to get money for the truck,
this truck, that truck, and uh you have

1401
01:40:52,560 --> 01:41:03,040
200 in there, I think you need to have a
little bit of skin in the game to say.

1402
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:07,920
» So, I think 300, you do what you want.
If you want this one or if you want the

1403
01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:09,840
brush truck, whatever you want.
>> Well, I'm

1404
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:12,880
» What's your thoughts?
>> I'm afraid, okay, if we say, "All right,

1405
01:41:11,679 --> 01:41:16,719
we're going to do the 300." Well, then
they're going to settle for a brush

1406
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:23,679
truck. And I'm just talking out loud
here as as as a engineer, but

1407
01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:28,560
» they'll we they're saving that money for
an engine, not not a smaller piece.

1408
01:41:26,639 --> 01:41:32,000
» But the thing is, when you do get a big
engine, you're going to come back to us.

1409
01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:34,239
» Uh we did in the land. We didn't in
2023. We didn't

1410
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:38,239
» Yeah.
>> You know, we did that on our own in

1411
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:44,239
2023. We did that on our own.
>> Did you get grants for that? Uh two well

1412
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:51,040
a lot of it% no interest loan% state
grant or state loan 2% state loan.

1413
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:55,760
» Yeah. Yeah. A low interest loan. Uh you
know I I I think with the volunteers

1414
01:41:54,320 --> 01:42:00,239
that we have I think we have enough skin
in the game, you know, with putting our

1415
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:06,480
time in.
>> I I have here's where I I sit. I there's

1416
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:13,840
I have a lot of respect for first
responders and I've seen it all too

1417
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:16,960
happen where you know we we look at the
dollar amount and it's important that we

1418
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:23,199
do and there's a lot of things that you
know financially responsible we need to

1419
01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:28,239
make sure but then you know if we step
over a dollar to to save a dime and uh

1420
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:36,000
you know it'll come back and bite us.
It's I I've seen it happen. Um and

1421
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:41,199
you know, these guys put their lives on
the line, you know, and they're out

1422
01:42:38,159 --> 01:42:46,719
there uh all the time. I see them, you
know, and I think all of us see them.

1423
01:42:42,719 --> 01:42:51,600
And I don't necessarily feel that, you
know, we're talking $80,000 that they

1424
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:57,280
it's a it's a a truck that we need for
the community and one of us could be our

1425
01:42:54,960 --> 01:43:02,480
house could be saved or our or one of
our children or whatever and it you

1426
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:06,639
can't put a price on that. So, um for
me, I'm invoked uh to pay for the whole

1427
01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:10,239
thing and that's
>> Are you going to make that motion? I'll

1428
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:15,280
make the motion to pay for the pumper at
$379,000.

1429
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:19,199
» And I suppose you're going to abstain.
>> I just I asked Steve that and he said I

1430
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:22,639
I don't have to because I'm the liaison
for the fire company and now I presented

1431
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:25,760
the case. Would you all like me to
abstain or

1432
01:43:23,679 --> 01:43:27,520
» Well, we'll leave you abstain and I'll
second the motion.

1433
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:32,480
» Oh,
>> so all in favor [laughter]

1434
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:36,639
I'll save you the grief. I'll save you
the grief.

1435
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:40,159
» I think you're scared. I I I appreciate
that. And

1436
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:43,760
» how just out of curiosity, how are you
going to vote?

1437
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:46,159
» Well, I'm in favor. [laughter] It
doesn't benefit me. It it benefits the

1438
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:48,159
community.
>> Okay. All in favor say I.

1439
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:51,119
» I.
>> I. And one of.

1440
01:43:50,239 --> 01:43:54,880
» All right. Thank you.
>> So, here's the thing. When that fire

1441
01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:59,040
truck does pull in, I think you should
plan something with the community. Yep.

1442
01:43:57,119 --> 01:44:00,960
» And bring it out because if you want the
community support, this is how you're

1443
01:44:00,719 --> 01:44:06,080
going to
>> We do open house here. Well, you have

1444
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:10,719
fire week, too. Fire week at the school
when you get that truck.

1445
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:13,600
» I think I think so. Brian's going to
break a bottle of champagne across.

1446
01:44:12,701 --> 01:44:18,080
[laughter]
>> I don't have to take it back.

1447
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:22,320
» And we are we are trying to come up with
ways to to try to motivate some of the

1448
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:25,440
community to get involved.
>> Well, I'm going tell you, I came down

1449
01:44:23,679 --> 01:44:28,400
and got the application.
>> Yeah.

1450
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:32,239
» To fill out to come down to volunteer. I
went down. There were several of us. You

1451
01:44:30,239 --> 01:44:35,360
were with me also, right?
I mean, I already have clearances

1452
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:38,080
through the Woo.
>> Yeah.

1453
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:40,320
» Okay. But yet, they were asking for
another one, and I get there are ways,

1454
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:43,920
but like,
>> well, we have to by law,

1455
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:45,600
» but my clearances should cover that. I
have five different clearances.

1456
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:51,280
» Yeah.
>> I mean, I'm through the federal whatever

1457
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:56,560
you can think of, but it's not a like I
>> But we need we need firefighters, too.

1458
01:44:53,679 --> 01:45:00,400
» I'm not doing that for [laughter]
That's what we need. We need

1459
01:44:57,679 --> 01:45:05,679
firefighters. saying like when you do
your chicken stuff, you know, I would

1460
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:08,960
not mind coming down to help out.
>> Yeah. And then they you can apply for

1461
01:45:08,239 --> 01:45:10,880
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1462
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:13,520
» for social member.
>> Social member. Yeah. Social members do

1463
01:45:13,199 --> 01:45:16,400
that.
>> Well, thank you. I want to thank you on

1464
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:20,167
behalf of the fire company.
>> Just bring two bottles of champagne. One

1465
01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:21,920
to break on the bow and one for us.
[laughter]

1466
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:24,480
» Right, John?
>> Amen. Well, thank thank you.

1467
01:45:23,119 --> 01:45:28,080
» He's gonna have nightmares for a little
while.

1468
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:33,679
» Yeah. Okay. uh property man uh
maintenance ordinance moving forward. Uh

1469
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:37,199
you had something.
>> Thank you. Um

1470
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:42,239
» Steve jumped in ahead and he and I
talked about this. Um we have we have

1471
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:46,239
ordinances that are very old and I just
kind of gave a summary of of just a few

1472
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:52,719
of the ones that we we look to on a
regular basis. Um ordinance 117

1473
01:45:49,199 --> 01:45:57,920
accumulation of waste was adopted 1972.
um junk and junkyards was adopted in 72.

1474
01:45:55,920 --> 01:46:03,040
Nuisance ordinance was adopted in '84
and we amended it in 97. And then the

1475
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:07,199
the grass and weeds ordinance was
adopted in 2008. And each one's a

1476
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:12,239
separate ordinance. Each one has
separate rules and regulations around

1477
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:16,080
it. And what we'd like to do, and I'm
coming to you guys just to get

1478
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:20,560
authorization for staff to move forward,
uh work with work with our attorney,

1479
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:27,600
work with our engineers needed to kind
of combine all these into a property

1480
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:30,239
maintenance ordinance. Um the IPMC, uh
the International Property Maintenance

1481
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:33,840
Code is out there. A lot of
municipalities use it. I don't think

1482
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:38,560
it's right for us. I think that that
that works well in a more urbanized or

1483
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:41,760
suburban
township, but I think there's stuff in

1484
01:46:40,480 --> 01:46:46,880
there and there's stuff in our current
ordinances that we could utilize and

1485
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:50,719
massage, clean up,
>> um bring up into modern language, uh

1486
01:46:49,199 --> 01:46:54,320
work with our attorney to make sure that
we're, you know, the enforcement piece

1487
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:58,239
is correct, the the how we apply is
correct, and [clears throat]

1488
01:46:56,400 --> 01:47:01,280
develop one single ordinance that would
be able to pull all this stuff together.

1489
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:07,840
Um I think it's worth the time and
effort to do this. Um, okay. So, uh, one

1490
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:11,920
of the things I want to talk about is,
um, because we've had a lot of

1491
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:16,480
complaints lately with some of the the
junk that people are collecting.

1492
01:47:14,639 --> 01:47:22,560
» So, one of the things I would ask, and
you know, I don't know if solicitor will

1493
01:47:19,199 --> 01:47:26,480
agree, but definitely make stiffer fines
uh, within these uh, ordinances or I

1494
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:32,400
guess up to the max that the state will
allow. But then, can we also potentially

1495
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:37,760
condemn a property um, if they In other
words, they run the risk of the township

1496
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:40,960
or us going to the port system and
condemning their property and they lose

1497
01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:43,440
their property because they're not able
to maintain.

1498
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:48,080
» But then where would it go? Would it be
ours? And we certainly don't want that.

1499
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:51,679
» So, well, I'm trying to I'm thinking of
something has teeth because right now

1500
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:56,239
right now,
>> you know, we we we go up people letters.

1501
01:47:53,760 --> 01:48:00,960
It takes what? Forever to get anybody to
move anything. Okay. So, so a couple

1502
01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:06,560
things like I don't think I mean we can
look at the the the fines but the fines

1503
01:48:03,440 --> 01:48:11,440
aren't really our biggest issue because
most of them are structured so that

1504
01:48:09,199 --> 01:48:13,679
every day is a continuing violation.
Yeah.

1505
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:18,000
» Right. Like so I mean if you're if
you've got junk in your yard

1506
01:48:16,239 --> 01:48:21,920
for a month, you know, you're looking at
a $3,000 fine,

1507
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:26,719
» right? That's I mean it's not it's not
that there isn't teeth there. It's more

1508
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:31,040
sometimes the language of how we define
something where it's outdated or you

1509
01:48:29,119 --> 01:48:35,280
have like gaps between some of our
ordinances where okay some things fit

1510
01:48:33,679 --> 01:48:38,560
here and some things fit here but then
there's this kind of

1511
01:48:36,719 --> 01:48:41,760
» space in between where we you know we
need different language or broader

1512
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:45,040
language or more specific language and
I'm just saying like you know enough

1513
01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:48,719
things have changed
>> that's where it is now we can certainly

1514
01:48:46,719 --> 01:48:52,639
look at the at the way we structure some
of the fines I don't think that's really

1515
01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:57,199
the problem it's it's more the language
of it And in terms of like condemnation,

1516
01:48:56,320 --> 01:49:00,239
you know, you can't just use
condemnation because somebody's got some

1517
01:48:58,639 --> 01:49:06,159
junk. I mean, you know, there's there's
pretty clear definitions of what I mean,

1518
01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:11,119
we could condemn somebody's property if
it's, you know, a hazard or it's, you

1519
01:49:09,119 --> 01:49:15,440
know, structurally not sound, but you're
not going to use condemnation just

1520
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:20,239
because somebody's not complying with,
you know, an everyday ordinance. My

1521
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:25,199
point I'm making is that there's whether
it's that or something else that gets

1522
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:28,000
the person to sit up and be like, "Oh,
and pay attention."

1523
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:32,080
» Yeah. Like, "Hey, it's not just about
the money. I may I may not be able to

1524
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:35,199
live here anymore or something." You
know?

1525
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:40,400
» Let me let me tell you. I mean,
>> if you hit somebody with a 3,000 or

1526
01:49:37,440 --> 01:49:45,280
6,000 or $9,000
citation, you're going to get their

1527
01:49:42,159 --> 01:49:48,320
attention. I mean, our our our fines are
are

1528
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:51,679
comparable to I mean I've solicitor for
a number of places and and you know we

1529
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:56,159
represent a number of counties I don't I
don't think our binds are out of line

1530
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:59,360
like if you if we want to enforce them
we can do that

1531
01:49:57,679 --> 01:50:06,560
» but but it's more like when we appear
before the MDJ and then it has to be

1532
01:50:02,480 --> 01:50:10,800
» is what we're citing for exactly what is
prohibited by an ordinance if the

1533
01:50:08,480 --> 01:50:14,000
language isn't right and that's I think
where Mark and I have looked at this a

1534
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:16,960
number of times and thought okay you
know like some of the ones that he's

1535
01:50:15,199 --> 01:50:22,560
he's talking about where there's these
cars. Okay. Well, what if somebody has,

1536
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:26,239
you know, only one car but then they
have this and then they have that or

1537
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:30,080
what if it's, you know, what if it's in
this condition and then it's like, okay,

1538
01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:33,600
well, we didn't exactly prohibit that.
So, I think that's that's where we kind

1539
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:37,440
of want to take a look, use some of the
experiences that we've had over the

1540
01:50:35,199 --> 01:50:41,360
years, look at what other townships have
done, look at whether, you know,

1541
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:45,600
municipalities have done, you know, and
and update some stuff. I think fines are

1542
01:50:43,679 --> 01:50:51,040
fine, but if we could I mean if we could
also look at a punishment as well, maybe

1543
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:56,159
you know some type of I mean I I just I
just feel that some people just blow

1544
01:50:52,800 --> 01:51:01,199
them off or or I if you know there's 30
days in prison or I don't know you're

1545
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:05,679
not you're not you're not getting that
for an ordinance violation. That's not

1546
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:08,719
how
>> a reprieve for 30 days. Okay.

1547
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:11,760
» Did you have a question?
>> Yeah. You're all in here talking about

1548
01:51:10,159 --> 01:51:15,760
the old cars and this and that and the
other thing. I heard you all make a

1549
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:20,480
motion made
a thing a while back. You walk the road

1550
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:25,600
you don't walk ground.
I mean already the road all jacked up

1551
01:51:22,719 --> 01:51:29,600
beautiful black top the runoff can't get
in the culvers. Back in the day, we had

1552
01:51:27,679 --> 01:51:34,000
a record green. They have half the
problem. And you go up that road, I see

1553
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:38,000
a couple trees have moved since then,
but the better part of six trees on the

1554
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:40,000
wire and the wires are already hanging
down low enough.

1555
01:51:39,119 --> 01:51:42,800
» We can't touch them.
>> I understand that,

1556
01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:45,920
» but I just heard something about getting
Med or somebody coming.

1557
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:50,639
» Yeah, Mark, you were working with them
and you did get some of them down on

1558
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:54,080
» Med's pretty responsive, but Verizon,
the telephone company, no way. They

1559
01:51:52,639 --> 01:51:57,040
won't come until it falls down. Like I
had a landline and I had to get rid of

1560
01:51:55,440 --> 01:52:00,239
it because they're too lazy to take care
of this stuff. But you go around all the

1561
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:03,199
blinds and everything in them.
>> If they can't accommodate their wires,

1562
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:08,560
get them the heck out of here.
>> We can't. I wish we could. I hear you.

1563
01:52:05,440 --> 01:52:12,800
» Um they they have a right to be here to
provide those utilities. The only way

1564
01:52:10,639 --> 01:52:16,880
that that I've had success and we we've
seen it recently here is you contact the

1565
01:52:15,119 --> 01:52:21,599
public utility commission and they're
the overseeing body of these utilities

1566
01:52:19,199 --> 01:52:25,280
that have the authority to to manage
them. So that's that's a little outside

1567
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:28,560
the purview of what we're talking here,
but I

1568
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:30,719
» but we we do we go through the PUC and
we've gotten some some work done through

1569
01:52:30,239 --> 01:52:33,520
them.
>> Can you contact them for what he's

1570
01:52:32,719 --> 01:52:37,599
talking about?
>> Let me go back to is the

1571
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:42,000
telecommunications the lines that are
usually the ones that are med if if a

1572
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:45,840
tree comes down on the electric line,
they're usually there within hours. Um

1573
01:52:44,159 --> 01:52:49,920
it's the telecommunication companies
that just are very slow coming into the

1574
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:54,000
community. That's so funny. You said he
never came back for my service, but yet

1575
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:55,679
I had to get rid of my land because they
told me they will not fix it,

1576
01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:57,920
» right?
>> I mean,

1577
01:52:56,560 --> 01:53:00,480
» we have no authority over them. That's
what I'm trying to tell you. That's

1578
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:04,159
that's the that's one of the areas that
we we can't I can I can jump up and down

1579
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:07,840
and scream all day at them. They they'll
just hang up the phone. The public

1580
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:11,040
utility commission is the board that
oversees them. They're the ones that

1581
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:14,320
have the authority to issue fines to
them and get them moving. So then when

1582
01:53:12,719 --> 01:53:18,880
that big tree falls off that line that's
laying up there around right past 1955

1583
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:20,960
road falls out and kills somebody then
nobody nobody will have the

1584
01:53:20,159 --> 01:53:25,360
responsibility.
>> No I I don't know if nobody has

1585
01:53:22,480 --> 01:53:28,239
responsibility. I don't I represent the
township we don't have the ability to go

1586
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:31,520
after them.
>> Well let's let's let's take let's heed

1587
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:35,280
the warning. Right. You brought it to
our attention. We got we have to do

1588
01:53:33,199 --> 01:53:37,679
something. We can either ignore it
>> trees that's laying there almost

1589
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:39,679
sticking out on the road.
>> Yeah.

1590
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:42,800
» We go up and we can trim to a certain
distance. That's as far as we go.

1591
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:46,960
» Just like right right around probably
the 1500 block. There's a mount of dirt

1592
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:50,080
that's been mil ever since they black
top road. It would be for the other day

1593
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:52,000
you went through the street for a
personal back. It would be out on the

1594
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:55,840
road yet.
>> Yeah.

1595
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:58,719
» You're all walking the street.
>> Yeah. Got it. We know where it is. All

1596
01:53:57,119 --> 01:54:01,599
right. So, let's let's let's get a hold
of the public utilities.

1597
01:53:59,679 --> 01:54:08,080
» And I think what uh Steve was talking
about uh was enforcement. And in

1598
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:12,400
previous administrations, a lot of that
wasn't enforced. But now you're going

1599
01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:14,800
through a lot and sending a lot of
letters out.

1600
01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:18,000
» Yeah, we are. And we're we're seeing
some response. We're getting we're

1601
01:54:16,159 --> 01:54:21,520
talking to people and we approach it
from the the fact that we send them a

1602
01:54:20,159 --> 01:54:24,960
letter saying, "Are you aware? This is
the law. This is what you have to do

1603
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:28,639
work with us." And if they don't work
with us, then we send out a notice of

1604
01:54:26,639 --> 01:54:32,159
violation, which then is the legal tool
that we have to give them a set amount

1605
01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:36,719
of time. If they fail to comply with the
notice of violation, then we issue a

1606
01:54:34,639 --> 01:54:40,480
citation. And then citation like Steve
was saying has to then go before the

1607
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:45,280
medial district justice
>> and they have the full power and

1608
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:49,280
authority to decide at that point is it
have we met the conditions in our

1609
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:53,840
ordinances are they going to fight us on
it and two then what level of fine will

1610
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:58,239
be assessed up to the state max. So
that's that's the whole process. It's

1611
01:54:55,599 --> 01:55:02,320
never quick. We can't say hey you know
you have junk cars in your in your

1612
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:07,520
property move them in three days. It it
takes months unfortunately. So, you

1613
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:11,119
brought up about getting a fire report.
Would it I think it would be really

1614
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:15,360
beneficial for the community to also get
that in the zoning report or wherever

1615
01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:21,760
that fits that hey this month we've
issued 15 zoning violations or you know

1616
01:55:19,199 --> 01:55:25,679
like a status because you know we hear
that things are happening but without

1617
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:30,320
that type of numbers it's hard to be
like okay great junk cars are still

1618
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:33,280
there or you know yeah
>> this this and that's still there. Not

1619
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:34,800
I'm not saying put everyone's business
out there.

1620
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:38,480
» So we
>> but at least just like numbers.

1621
01:55:36,719 --> 01:55:40,880
» Good timing. I talked to to Becky about
that today and that'll be in the next

1622
01:55:39,679 --> 01:55:43,440
month's report. We've already discussed
that.

1623
01:55:41,199 --> 01:55:45,360
» Oh, okay. [clears throat]
>> Day late in the dollar store.

1624
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:48,719
» Oh no. [laughter]
>> No, it's a good point though and I

1625
01:55:47,199 --> 01:55:51,679
» I agree and that's why we want to get
that in there so you guys can see that

1626
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:54,639
we you know sent out this many zoning
notices, this many notice violations,

1627
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:58,320
etc. That'll all be in next months.
We'll get that. If there's any reports

1628
01:55:56,320 --> 01:56:02,080
or uh any information that you would
like on a regular basis, just let us

1629
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:06,320
know. If we can accommodate, we will,
you know, but we don't want to be

1630
01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:10,320
overburdened, you know, but we'll send
it to the zoning and they can work on

1631
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:13,360
it.
>> Okay. Are you guys good? I don't need a

1632
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:16,639
motion or anything, but you guys good
that we move forward and get this stuff

1633
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:21,840
start getting these things cleaned up
>> to authorize you to do the property.

1634
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:28,080
» If you guys don't.
>> Okay. Um, other business, food truck

1635
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:32,000
Friday is uh this Friday, September the
4th

1636
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:35,119
» and u we'll still have one October yet.
Is that

1637
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:39,199
» the last one then? So next year you'll
see a lot of difference. Uh we are

1638
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:41,760
working on a memorial up there. I wish
we had the overhead of that.

1639
01:56:41,199 --> 01:56:43,520
» Memorial.
>> No, not yet.

1640
01:56:42,719 --> 01:56:50,800
» Okay.
>> It's a We'll surprise you next month

1641
01:56:46,159 --> 01:56:55,920
with it's really it's really cool. Um,
I had one other thing and this is for

1642
01:56:54,000 --> 01:57:02,560
Miss Ripto.
It's the story you told us last month

1643
01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:07,599
about Zion View. Zans's View.
>> Oh, yeah. I I I did my research.

1644
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:10,960
» Did you find out why it says New
Cumberland?

1645
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:12,480
» Yes. I um So, here's what I've been
working on.

1646
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:17,119
» Okay.
>> So, I kind of like stirred the pot and

1647
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:19,360
started months ago. I have been working
with

1648
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:25,199
you did.
>> I've been working with a old resident of

1649
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:32,080
Shrintown who she's no longer here in
Shrintown. Um I have been researching

1650
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:37,119
what um has been said that there is a
cemetery at the end of a death there. I

1651
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:43,119
have the proof there is. I have been
working with Mark. We did discover in

1652
01:57:39,679 --> 01:57:48,080
looking at old maps that to find Stri
you have to go under new Cumberland.

1653
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:52,880
So originally somewhere down the line
and I'm still working on it. Um

1654
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:56,480
Shrintown was New Cumberland. It was New
Pleasant Newland.

1655
01:57:53,679 --> 01:58:04,080
» Okay. Well, what it says here is New
Cumberland 14. The 14 means that it's 14

1656
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:09,920
miles. This is a sign. It's 14 miles
from New Cumberland. And on the other

1657
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:14,239
one that says uh Strinstown, I forget
what number that was.

1658
01:58:12,639 --> 01:58:16,480
There was another one out there, but
that says 12 miles.

1659
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:18,800
» Okay.
>> So, that has 12. So, I'll give you

1660
01:58:18,159 --> 01:58:25,360
these.
>> Oh, cool. I I'm working on it. And John,

1661
01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:27,760
I do have postits on my wall at benails.
>> No, no doubt. We don't We don't doubt

1662
01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:32,880
that.
>> No, I've got the information that has

1663
01:58:30,639 --> 01:58:38,719
been given to me. When I get it all
together, I will bring it in and present

1664
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:42,800
it to you. The information is actually
like it's really shocking.

1665
01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:47,440
and I have been looking at maps.
>> Um the things that I have found out that

1666
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:52,719
they did to this cemetery is
unbelievable. And now I'm um I'm working

1667
01:58:50,719 --> 01:58:56,719
on connecting them dots. I'm actually
going to the person's house.

1668
01:58:54,639 --> 01:58:59,760
» Um she came out to me and we walked. She
told me all about Stringstown. We walked

1669
01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:01,440
it. We wrote it.
>> You didn't have a shovel with you, did

1670
01:59:01,199 --> 01:59:06,239
you?
>> We used my a shovel. [laughter]

1671
01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:11,920
» Check out the grave.
>> No. Well, there is a spot back there

1672
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:16,880
that actually indentation that is the
size of about a grade. Um that

1673
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:22,800
» Carvana did a study though. Did you talk
to him?

1674
01:59:18,480 --> 01:59:27,280
» I did talk to Corey. He left. Um Carvana
did attack talk to the Pennsylvania

1675
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:29,119
Historical Museum Commission and they
have no

1676
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:32,239
» thing over that ground. I'm not
>> Yeah, they have no records of it. So,

1677
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:35,520
» right, there are records.
>> Right. And that's that's what we and I

1678
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:40,080
talked to Brian about it. We've been
looking to see, you know, to see if

1679
01:59:37,119 --> 01:59:45,360
there's any historical records. Now,
often depending on who's buried there,

1680
01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:48,480
sometimes the records just don't exist.
>> I do have a record for a Civil War

1681
01:59:47,199 --> 01:59:52,960
soldier in there.
>> And I was also told from a family member

1682
01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:58,080
from Stories from his grandpa that it
was actually the Kanago Indians in there

1683
01:59:55,280 --> 02:00:04,080
and the the road that you live on, that
family was also in there.

1684
02:00:00,159 --> 02:00:08,639
» Okay. So I do I do have
>> actually I didn't want to but I do have

1685
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:12,800
» Yeah, there were a lot of Whitmers out
in Strange Town.

1686
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:16,080
» I do have written records about the
Civil War soldier

1687
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:21,760
» that was in there. The family was
approached and they said they were not

1688
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:24,159
interested. Um so it's just now I'm just
playing with numbers.

1689
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:26,560
» Um
>> Was it moved? Was it moved at some

1690
02:00:26,080 --> 02:00:31,840
point?
>> No. So here's what I can tell you. The

1691
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:37,599
school was built in 1928.
The tombstones were moved off of the

1692
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:42,320
property and dump dumped into the Kobago
Creek right at the Boy Scout ramp,

1693
02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:44,080
» the tombstones were dumped into the
river.

1694
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:49,199
» That's terrible.
>> And then they just went and built the

1695
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:52,960
house. So, um, from what I understand
from stories from my son-in-law, his

1696
02:00:51,119 --> 02:00:58,080
greatgrandfather was one of the people
who demolished the school.

1697
02:00:55,599 --> 02:01:01,119
Um, and he is one of them that found the
bones

1698
02:00:59,199 --> 02:01:07,440
» to particularly I've been told that them
bones were picked up and transferred and

1699
02:01:03,599 --> 02:01:10,960
re buried into Shrintown Cemetery
>> and an unmarked grave.

1700
02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:17,280
» That's what I'm taking for granted is an
unmarked grave. Um, I have learned a lot

1701
02:01:15,119 --> 02:01:22,960
about Mount Pleasant Church was actually
Mount Pleasant Union Church. It was also

1702
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:28,239
you it was used by several community
churches until They built the brethren

1703
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:30,960
church and then when they built the
brethren church they changed it from

1704
02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:36,400
Mount Pleasant to that.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It was Mount Pleasant and

1705
02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:40,000
then even where I live
>> where I live it was called Mount

1706
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:44,080
Washington. All all the older people
know as as Mount Washington. So I used

1707
02:01:42,560 --> 02:01:46,320
to tell everybody I live at the top.
>> Your history will show that my

1708
02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:50,560
grandfather
>> is he that

1709
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:55,119
» his name was Hall Baker. He was actually
the pastor at Strintown Church and Mount

1710
02:01:53,679 --> 02:02:00,159
Washington Church at the same time.
>> That name didn't come as that came up

1711
02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:02,480
» and somebody I will find it. Just give
me [laughter]

1712
02:02:01,520 --> 02:02:07,119
» David Hall.
>> Okay. So, enough for our history lesson

1713
02:02:04,960 --> 02:02:11,119
for tonight. So, does anybody have any
questions? Any more comments?

1714
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:16,000
» I have a question. I just want to rewind
a little bit and go back to Corona. I

1715
02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:21,440
don't see that expansion being a good
fit in that area. Is the township hands

1716
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:24,719
tied on that matter as far as the
expansion?

1717
02:02:22,239 --> 02:02:29,760
» Well, I think that as soon as we get u
the report from um about the road about

1718
02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:32,719
the traffic,
>> I think that's what's holding everything

1719
02:02:32,080 --> 02:02:37,679
right now.
>> I mean, it's a it's a permitted use.

1720
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:42,719
» So, I mean, this is the this is the
issue we're into with zoning is it's a

1721
02:02:40,560 --> 02:02:46,960
» um you know, the zoning laws are are
what they are. We regulate uses. We

1722
02:02:44,800 --> 02:02:51,920
regulate site coverage, building
setbacks, all of that. You know, all

1723
02:02:49,920 --> 02:02:57,440
that stuff in the zoning ordinance. If a
project proposes a a structure or a use

1724
02:02:55,280 --> 02:03:00,639
that fits the zoning ordinance, then
it's permitted to proceed as long as

1725
02:02:59,199 --> 02:03:03,920
they meet all the other ordinance
requirements that we have in our storm

1726
02:03:02,159 --> 02:03:08,000
water and subdivision land development
ordinance. And in this case, we have a

1727
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:13,920
standalone traffic ordinance as well.
So, like I I understand I understand

1728
02:03:11,679 --> 02:03:17,920
nobody wants another use that's going to
generate more traffic that's going to

1729
02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:23,119
cause more issues at exit 28. I totally
understand that. Um but since

1730
02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:26,320
» we don't really have traffic issues on
that side of 83 there. They're all on

1731
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:28,800
this side.
>> Well, you don't see it lined up on that

1732
02:03:28,320 --> 02:03:34,159
side.
>> It it all plays together. You you don't

1733
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:38,239
you don't. But the concern and this is
what we're we're going right now. We're

1734
02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:41,920
fortunate that we don't have issues on
the east side of 83, right?

1735
02:03:39,920 --> 02:03:46,000
» Um I think what we're analyzing here and
why this development is getting a lot

1736
02:03:44,719 --> 02:03:50,080
more
>> uh of a closer look from PennDOT than a

1737
02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:54,639
lot of the other ones, you know, there's
been multiple other developments that

1738
02:03:51,840 --> 02:04:00,560
are built that access exit 28 from the
west side. At this point, you're just

1739
02:03:57,040 --> 02:04:04,960
adding more to an existing problem. This
is a new impact um that could

1740
02:04:02,960 --> 02:04:07,520
potentially provide more, you know, put
more traffic on the east side than ever

1741
02:04:06,639 --> 02:04:12,639
before,
>> which will potentially change the

1742
02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:18,480
lighting phases, but change the turning
movements, change the stacking, and that

1743
02:04:15,760 --> 02:04:22,880
exacerbates everything else around.
>> So, you know, basically this is what

1744
02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:28,560
real quick, let me finish. The what
we're looking at is there is an impact

1745
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:33,440
that will be created by the traffic. Can
the developer propose mitigations within

1746
02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:38,880
our ordinance requirements and the
PennDOT ordinance requirements or the

1747
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:43,920
Pendot regulations that address the
standard concern of the traffic impact

1748
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:48,400
and that's where we're at right now. So,
um they need to come up with some

1749
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:54,880
options. PENDOT needs to sign off on
them and you know if PENDOT agrees to

1750
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:58,719
the proposed mitigation measures then I
I do think our hands are a little tight.

1751
02:04:56,639 --> 02:05:01,520
we don't have a a good good reason to
say no, you can't go there because

1752
02:05:00,080 --> 02:05:05,280
they've met all of our other ordinance
requirements.

1753
02:05:02,639 --> 02:05:09,840
» Um, in some other developments, we have
leverage over uses that could be a a

1754
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:13,679
zoning variance. Um, you know, that's
the first step, uh, which is what you

1755
02:05:12,080 --> 02:05:16,400
guys saw with that, uh, Proser
development that came through, the

1756
02:05:15,040 --> 02:05:20,639
proposed housing development on
Copenhaver, that did not meet our

1757
02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:24,960
ordinance, so we shut it down, um, and
the zoning board voted that down. So, we

1758
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:29,920
have some power for uses that don't fit
in the current zone. If the use is okay

1759
02:05:28,239 --> 02:05:33,440
and they meet all the dimensional
requirements, then we just have to

1760
02:05:31,360 --> 02:05:38,719
ensure that our other ordinances are,
you know, you're not no traffic impact,

1761
02:05:35,440 --> 02:05:43,679
no storm water impact or impacts within
a reasonable manner, I should say. I

1762
02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:47,679
won't say anything is no impact.
>> But that's basically how this how this

1763
02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:50,800
works. So, um, if they were trying to
put this in a residential zone, then

1764
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:54,400
yeah, we'd have a lot more power over
it. But where it's at, it's tough. And

1765
02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:58,080
especially with how large that parcel
is, it's a very big parcel. So,

1766
02:05:56,800 --> 02:06:01,840
» okay, Marian, you had a
>> Y

1767
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:05,199
» for Posh, you said you wanted another
traffic study. Did they comply with

1768
02:06:03,679 --> 02:06:10,719
that? Are they working on that?
>> Uh, it's only been a week, [laughter] so

1769
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:14,080
I I haven't heard any feedback from
>> Well, he seemed a little hesitant on

1770
02:06:13,119 --> 02:06:17,040
that. That's why
>> he doesn't have a choice. So,

1771
02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:21,520
» yeah. And he's been working on that for
years. So, a week is nothing for the

1772
02:06:19,599 --> 02:06:27,599
years that he' been doing this. So,
>> no, we we've yeah, I have I have heard I

1773
02:06:25,199 --> 02:06:31,360
was copied on email correspondence from
Mr. Pash to his traffic engineer asking

1774
02:06:29,679 --> 02:06:35,360
the traffic engineer to reach out to me
and ask what I want. I have not spoken

1775
02:06:33,679 --> 02:06:39,920
with the traffic engineer at this point.
Um, but I think I was pretty clear in my

1776
02:06:37,119 --> 02:06:43,679
comment letter what I'll be looking for
as far as traffic counts on Coen Haven

1777
02:06:42,079 --> 02:06:48,000
Road that are updated to meet today's
standards before we make any decisions.

1778
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:53,599
But I do want to prepare you all. They
could do the traffic counts and they

1779
02:06:50,639 --> 02:06:58,239
could find that what that the
development that's going in does not

1780
02:06:55,840 --> 02:07:02,079
pose a measurable impact to the
intersection. So just be prepared. Just

1781
02:07:00,239 --> 02:07:06,960
because we're going through this doesn't
mean that it will require improvements.

1782
02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:10,880
But I'm not comfortable at this point
feeling okay that it doesn't without

1783
02:07:09,199 --> 02:07:15,520
working better numbers. We're too far
away from center here. Um, I want them

1784
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:20,000
to recalibrate their models, recount,
and then we'll start from here forward.

1785
02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:23,360
» I just wanted to let you know that posh
might forget, but we won't.

1786
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:27,280
» Don't worry, it's an that's why it's in
my comment letter, and it's a condition

1787
02:07:24,960 --> 02:07:30,400
of the again, we haven't even acted on
the plan to conditionally approve it,

1788
02:07:28,639 --> 02:07:34,639
but it's an open comment on the letter
right now.

1789
02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:41,280
» Yeah. Okay. And I did just look up what
our budget is, and it's uh 3.6 3.6 6

1790
02:07:38,639 --> 02:07:46,239
million for uh the year for the year
2026.

1791
02:07:43,119 --> 02:07:48,828
» So, and then with prices next year
probably be

1792
02:07:47,119 --> 02:07:52,159
» 37
[clears throat]

1793
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:54,880
» at least. Yeah. Okay. Uh, anybody have
any more questions? Mark, you okay?

1794
02:07:54,239 --> 02:07:59,760
» Good.
>> All right. Thank you everybody for

1795
02:07:56,480 --> 02:08:03,520
coming. Meeting adjourned.
Jeremy, did I give you a chance to talk