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>> Good evening everyone. We had a little

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bit of inconvenience today, so we have a
late start. So, thank you all for your

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patience. We are manually recording this
and we will post it to our website so

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all the residents can be part of
the meeting and we'll take questions

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email afterwards.

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They won't hear me.
So, they won't have questions. So, it'll

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be afterwards we can answer those
questions.

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Um so, good evening everyone. Today is
August 5th. It is our August work

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session. Let's get started by calling to
order.

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» Yeah, Councilmember Laskey.
>> Present.

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» Councilmember Sarno.
>> Here.

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» Councilmember Rhea.
>> Here.

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» Councilmember Allen will note his
absence for the record. Councilmember

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Fry.
>> Here.

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» Vice President Kingsley.
>> Here.

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» President Sanalax.
>> Here.

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» And we'll note that Mayor Aronson is
absent for the record as well. Great,

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thank you.
All right, we'll start off with a couple

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announcements. So, prior to this meeting
Borough Council held an executive

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session
and we spoke about property, personnel,

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and legal matters.
Before we get started, it looks like we

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did receive one public comment following
our July 15th week public meeting.

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Steph, would you mind reading that
public comment into our record for me?

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» Yes, this is from Alyssa Kelly. She
actually emailed this to the mayor and

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the mayor passed it along. So, I'm going
to read this on her behalf. So, she is a

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resident, a mom of three young
daughters, and she wanted to share an

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idea that she thought would be an
incredible addition to our community,

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which is a splash pad.
And she noted that one of the big

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reasons her family loves living here is
how walkable and family-friendly the

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town is. We spend so much time walking
through our parks, playgrounds,

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businesses, and the events. It's one of
the things that makes this town so

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special. It's a big reason so many
families, including ours, want to stay

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here long term.
She felt a splash pad would be a natural

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extension of everything our town already
does so well. It would give families a

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free, safe place to cool off during the
summer without having to travel to

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neighboring communities or pay admission
to a pool. It also would It also create

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another gathering place where neighbors
can connect and children can play

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together. As a mom of three children, I
know firsthand how families

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are looking for activities that are
close to home. Our girls already love

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walking to our parks.
I can only imagine how much joy a splash

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pad would bring, not just to them, but
to the countless other children in our

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community. It would quickly become a
destination for residents of all ages

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and would further strengthen our town's
reputation as one of the best places to

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raise a family.
I hope the council will consider adding

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a splash pad to future community
improvement plans. I truly would believe

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it would be an investment that families
would enjoy for generations to

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reinforce why so many of us choose to
stay here.

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She just wanted to thank you for
uh for your time and your direction.

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» Thank you.
>> You're welcome.

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» All right.
Um

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Any public comment related to any agenda
items before we get started?

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Okay.
Hearing nothing, we'll go right into our

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agenda and we'll start with land use
matters public hearing ordinances.

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So, the
first item is a presentation on the

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preliminary/final
major subdivision and land development

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application for the Maple Street
development project, 1838

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4016 Maple Street,
Mecca Properties LLC as the applicant.

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» Hello.
>> Good evening.

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» How are you?
>> I'm representing the applicant,

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Mecca Properties LLC.
Okay. Christian Marilla right here and

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members of that LLC.
On the first floor of LLC is Walgreen.

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Susan White is the engineer from SDA
engineering.

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And we're here to discuss
the rebuild that

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we're doing in the fourth ward now
foundation.

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Building single family detached homes on
the

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back of the property line.
Four new town houses

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on this application through the Indian
South Valley

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I'm choosing to represent the
land on Walgreen site of the property.

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I will also have a number of waivers
that we're asking for

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for our
project.

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We have been before the zoning hearing
board and obtained the necessary zoning

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relief.
And we're before any commission for our

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future recommendations.

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» This is a very

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So, the project
consists of two

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residential buildings
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garages.
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existing homes are
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uh three town homes on that corner. So,
the idea is to take those down exactly

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and replace them.
Uh and then right next door to those

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three town homes is a vacant lot which
will be a single family dwelling. And

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then behind it um
with access up through Wood Street um

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off of Elm is the recycling facility.
So, that is the existing Yeah, correct.

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Existing building uh existing recycling
facility in the back that takes access

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from Elm Street up to up Wood through
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um and that it's that driveway exists
now. So, we're looking to use that

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driveway to then access what would be 12
town homes in the back.

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Um there's
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reconfiguring of lots
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Um and the recycling facility will then
be turned into the the 12 uh

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townhouse units and then the um the the
lots that are fronting Maple Street will

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have a consistent backyard that runs
straight through to First Avenue.

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Um consistent with the the other lots
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that block.
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the
the townhouses proposed will face the

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street. Um
there will be sidewalk on both sides of

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that street. There's a sidewalk then
that will continue down and can make a

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connect connect pedestrian connection to
the sidewalk that is in the alley that

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um extends into
um Elm Street. There is a turnaround for

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your emergency vehicles.
And there's also some additional um

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visitor parking that the road had
requested that we consider.

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That's really it.
Uh oh, sorry, I forgot one other thing.

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You see there's an L um shaped um piece
that you see that takes you from Maple

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Street over to First Avenue, a backward
L I should say. That is a uh intended to

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be a pedestrian path that connects these
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uh streets and it also connects both
rows of 12 townhouses.

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» And the zoning hearing the
resident talked about accessing the back

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of those townhouses from Maple Street.
So, in an informal way, he comes down

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our property. I mean, who would be
behind this?

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So, it makes sense that we would work
with him to come up with a more formal

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way to get to the back of the house. So,
what we're proposing now is to create

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that walking trail
from First Avenue up to Main Street

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to be utilized by the residents of the
three new houses

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and the single family home,
all the properties that are blocked at

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the way on Main Street
and the old alley to the

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new town alley on Main Street, which
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And then we would have a paved walking
trail.

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I'm not overlooking the property.
>> Could you just go back a second?

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» Does Hanes Hollister Park anywhere in
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» Is what?
>> The Hanes Hollister Park.

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» The back in the bottom, yes.
>> Down in the bottom, yes.

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» Mhm.
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» What side is
>> Um if you go I guess the aerial will be

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» which which shows
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» Will that be a street for access?
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So, that wooded area there is the park.
Right at the end of what the what's

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labeled Wood Street is where the park
is, yeah.

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» So, what we talked about was creating a
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on the Hanes Hollister property.
It would be open to the public and as I

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discussed before, it would be parking
for our town houses, which would access

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through the existing Wood Street for the
access to the

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existing facility.
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commission that we put a fence around
that. There was a little bit of a slope

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issue. We agreed to

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And that would create more parking for
the park

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as well.
And a sidewalk down through

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Elm Street for access.
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serves to
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provide access to the the homes that
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Uh
It's It's sort of a street shot behind

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them. But, you can see that the the
driveway access to the recycling

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facility kind of hangs off to the left
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and in that area there, we are going to

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do some restriping
uh to kind of designate some additional

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parking spaces. That may be there
already. People might be using that, but

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it'll be a little bit more defined in
that area so that folks can park along

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that alley.
As well. And then um

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» [clears throat]
>> up where we have that emergency access

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turnaround,
um they suggested the bureau suggested

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we also add some parking there.

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» The planning commission had made some
recommendations.

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Um
are you willing to meet all the

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recommendations?
>> Well, it depends what they are.

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Well, the fencing was we were okay with.
The initial that uh

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floodgate maybe.
You know, on Elm Street with some

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flooding issues down there, that's okay.
They were talking about a secondary

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access to the property.
Uh we were not in favor of that. We do

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have the fire marshal's review letter
which indicates that he's satisfied with

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the ability to access the property.

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» This
quick question.

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I'm not from that familiar with this
area, so I might be asking a dumb

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question.
That park right there, it would seem

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that there's a good amount of traffic
that's going to come in and out of there

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with the alley, or is that not Am I not
seeing that correctly? Like that alley,

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there seems to be parking there. Is that
Is that like right up against the park

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right there? I'm just trying to get a
visual.

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» It'll be on the park.
>> It is.

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» Okay.
>> It is.

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Yes. Ralph. You've heard before here
that the recycling traffic down in that

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space has been a challenge to put kids
down there.

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» Yeah, that's that's what I'm that's what
I was driving at because I'm not I'm not

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familiar with that park because we don't
really go there that much on the other

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on the other side of town.
But, is there anything blocking the park

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from like that traffic area? I don't
Again, I don't know. I'm asking.

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Does anybody know that?
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There's nothing there.
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» But, the residents who's homes currently
face Elm Street, they do park their cars

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they come down that
that

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Wood Street
and they park behind their homes. I

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understand that.
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» So, but the
but the road is still wide enough for

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people to get by.
Is that correct?

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» Yes.
Tractor-trailers and trucks get by

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there, I don't know.
>> And you're you're recommending putting

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up an actual walking path where the kids
so that people would not have

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» It's actually sidewalk. It's sidewalk.
>> It's sidewalk, yeah.

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Yeah, which is an
enhancement to what it had doesn't have

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today.
>> There's actually a sidewalk um

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that kind of comes in off of Elm Street
up Wood Street for a little bit and then

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so we're just going to keep extending
that, bring it across that alley, and

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then run it up the driveway that goes up
to the recycling.

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Right around where the D is on Wood
Street is kind of where the sidewalk

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stops.
Um so, we're going to continue it out of

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cross over the alley, and then run it
alongside the driveway up to the

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Yeah, yeah.
>> So, my question for you, you mentioned

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flooding. So, right now
and for people who aren't familiar with

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this area, where that recycling area
where the homes are going to go is up on

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a hill.
That hill, whatever the cause is,

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there's flooding that comes down into
the back of the homes along Wood Street.

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What in your engineering, flood
management, water management is going to

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be done about that? Cuz something has to
be done in that area.

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» Sure. So, uh number one, the existing
impervious

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on our property on its own is going to
be slightly reduced. Um all of the

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macadam and the um
the buildings and stuff on the recycling

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area will come down. It will be replaced
by some impervious, but there's also

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going to be a lot more green area that
is in the backyards that are kind of up

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against those houses that are in along
the alley. So, um we're going to grade

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swales so that the water is not kind of
leaving the property and impacting those

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folks, and it'll come down um the
driveway, the alley, the

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the that it like it normally does. Um
but we are also putting in some

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stormwater management that will also get
some of that um gray water back into the

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ground. Uh we are applying for our MPDES
permit, so the county is going to be

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looking at this rigorous rigorous
rigorously, and we are meeting our

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stormwater management ordinance. We're
not increasing flow.

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» Would you say that you're you'd be
improving stormwater management on this

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property?
>> Your ordinance requires it, so yes, we

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are.
>> I might have misunderstood. I thought

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the flooding was was at the back of the
creek, not

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Uh
I'm not sure. Right? We have a hill, we

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have an area that floods below the storm
sewer. That's

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» Well, yeah. I mean
>> That's why we have you, right?

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» Yes.
Yeah.

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» And we have we received the Pennoni and
Gilmore review letters, which were in

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full compliance with the situation right
now.

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» So, I think I heard in total 16 units.
>> Yes.

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» Three townhouses.
12 townhomes and then a single one.

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Single.
>> Correct.

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But you're knocking down three.
>> Uh I'm replacing them.

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» Right.
>> Right.

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» And are they currently occupied those
three?

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» They're not.
>> They they were built a long time ago and

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they're on a
stone foundations and they're not all

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the same size.
>> Yeah.

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» So going through the review of staff
will recommend that maybe we

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tear them all down 18-ft wide and one
foundations for the three.

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I mean what we presented was a
>> She has a

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a view of what
a rendering of what she was seeing

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for that area. That's that's kind of
what

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they're envisioning for the that
replacement.

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Um the one on the left is the single on
the new vacant lot.

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And you'll notice that that has a front
entry garage onto First Avenue.

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» You did get a variance to allow that.
There is already a depression out there

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where
>> I was going to say there's a curb cut

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already.
>> There is a curb cut there already.

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» Will all those
townhouses have

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be able to park next to their house or
will some people have to be a little bit

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removed and walk in?
>> Well First Avenue does have parking

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perpendicular parking along there.
And once we finish up I think there's

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actually
right now one of the buildings that is

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on that first lot
has a driveway access onto First Avenue

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and that'll go away when all this is
done. So you'll gain maybe two possibly

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three parking spaces on First Avenue as
well. And then there is parking out

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front.

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» Does anyone have any other questions
for the project?

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Okay.

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Thank you.
>> Did you um did you need us to go through

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the waivers or no?
>> You can go through them.

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» Yeah. Yeah, okay.
>> Council

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Council is aware of all of them,
obviously, but we were fine through.

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» Okay, sure.
Um

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the first waiver is to that uh your
ordinance requires existing features

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within 100 ft of the site you provided.
Um we've shown

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a a
a

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a decent amount of impervious I mean
existing features, but uh we also

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provided aerials so that you can have a
a

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wider view of things. Uh number two,
which requires separate preliminary and

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final plan submissions. Uh we don't have
a lot of permits and approvals, and this

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is basically your final plan, so uh
we're asking for a preliminary final

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approval.
Uh number three talks um

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require your ordinance prohibits
dead-end streets, so you saw that we had

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a dead-end street, and it's just because
of the topography and the way it's

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situated and how we need to access. So,
in order to offset that dead-end street,

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we did um talk to your emergency
services and provided that turnaround

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for them.
Uh number four prohibits driveways and

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driveway curb cuts within the front yard
setback. Again, because of the way the

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property is situated and how we need to
access, we had to put the um garages for

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the townhomes in the front yard, so that
is why we need driveways and curb cuts

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in the front yard.
Uh number five requires sidewalk along

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the private street to be placed 4 ft
from the curb line. Um

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we have some uh
the again, because of the the the way

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the lot is set up, we needed to place
that um sidewalk right up against the

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curb. Uh it is there. It's right Oh,
sorry, up against the edge of the

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street. So, you'll have edge of the
street, then you'll have your sidewalk,

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and then you'll have your driveway.
Um, number six prohibits grading within

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3 ft of the property and right-of-way
lines. Again, because of the way this

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property exists, we have uh, some of the
existing buildings are built right up to

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the property line. Some of them even go
over them. So, we're going to need to

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obtain some construction easements so
that we can get onto everyone's property

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to demolish everything properly and and
regrade.

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Uh, number seven, which requires street,
uh, shade trees be planted no more than

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30 ft apart at a minimum distance of 5
ft inside the lot lines. We're asking

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for a waiver to not provide the street
trees, um, in the new street because of

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the way we have the sidewalk and the
driveways that are being set up. We

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don't have that, um, grass area to plant
in. And, um,

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for along Maple Street, we have two
existing street trees. It would require

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more, but again, there's sidewalk out
there and there's really nowhere to put

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those trees.
Uh, number eight, which requires

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multi-family development uses to be
screened along the areas adjacent to

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other properties with 6-ft high
plantings. Um, we have those 6-ft high

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plantings along the rear yards, so it
would be up against First Avenue and up

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against those properties that are facing
Elm Street. But, for the two, but for

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the ends, the ones that are sort of, um,
behind the ones on Maple Street and for,

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um, the ones that are facing the park
and stuff, but uh, there

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topography,
um, infrastructure, we have retaining

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walls, we have, um,
um, paths and stuff. We just can't fit

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in those plantings and still make them
thrive and be healthy with all the, uh,

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infrastructure that we need to install.
Um, number nine requires park and

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recreational facilities. We're just
asking for a waiver to provide a fee in

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lieu of those facilities.

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» And that street between the 12 unit
townhouses will be a private street

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maintained by the homeowner's
association that's what we're creating.

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» And you're not removing any trees in any
of this construction, correct?

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» There's slight
>> Oh, wait. Wait. We are. Sorry.

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I apologize.
>> Where the turnaround is, there are some

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trees.
>> Trees that are down below.

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» Actually on borough property.
>> So we're

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trees out there top of the hill. So
we're looking at this drawing and many

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of those are
older trees.

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» Right.
>> Ours.

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» Yes.
>> What are you considering to remove?

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I don't have to pick out each tree,
right?

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I'm wondering, you know, we don't have
half of it, 75%, 10%?

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» No, there's there's like
one, two, three, four, five. There's six

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trees that go along that driveway that
are in the way of the pedestrian path

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that we need to get.
>> Okay.

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» And where the turnaround is, too.
>> Where the turn

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» The emergency turnaround, that's where
the bigger trees are.

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» There are some trees in there, yes.
Sorry.

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» Would it be safe to say that the
majority are staying?

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» Yes, the majority are staying.
>> They are on borough property, not ours

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anyway.
>> You can still take credit.

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» Actually, whatever we need to get the
turnaround in in the parking.

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» Yeah.
>> Okay.

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Okay, thank you.
>> In addition,

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you have the other trees that would be
coming out there once it

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they surround
firm that we put in years ago for the

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neighbors.
They're all large varieties that are um

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that have to come out for the
>> Walking path.

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» The not the walking path, the
behind Maple Street. We need that

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access. There's all There's all trees
planted there now.

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» So, you're removing trees, we're not
adding these. You're asking for some

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leeway for for not adding.
>> Well, we we are we are adding trees

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along the rear lines.
>> Okay.

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» So, you're putting trees back.
>> Yes.

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» Right. Right. We are.
>> There's There's um at these, there's 26

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trees being in addition. So,
>> So, you might be taking out five to

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seven, but you're putting in 26.
>> Correct.

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» Thank you.

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Any other questions?

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Thank you.
There's no vote tonight,

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» Correct.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you very much for taking time to
show

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and explain.
>> Uh the normal process is we'll put

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together a draft resolution and send it
to you for next week.

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» Okay, great.
>> [clears throat]

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» Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you very much.

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» Thank you.
>> Thanks.

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Moving to the next agenda item, it's
under presentations. Um so, we're going

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to discuss bids received for the
community shuttle service renewal for

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the RFP. Um I'll invite Caitlin Valeri
from GVF GVF to the podium, please.

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» Hello. Uh my name is Caitlin Valeri, I'm
from GVF. Just as a reminder, we're a

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transportation management association.
We were founded in 1990, and we're a

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nonprofit organization.
Um we've been partnering with the

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Borough of Conshohocken on various
projects for over 30 years.

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Um and we also have over 30 years of
shuttle management experience including

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1 million trips for Fortune 500
companies, universities, national parks,

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and local governments.
So just as a reminder, um the RFP was

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advertised on June 19th for a 2-year
contract with three optional 1-year

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renewals and the due date for the
proposals was July 24th, 2026.

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We received two complete proposals,
Transdev and Craft Transportation. And

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just a few quick comparisons and then
I'll get into the financials.

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Um Transdev, they both have a
14-passenger vehicle.

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Um Transdev has a propane-fueled
vehicle, that's the current Conshohocken

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cab. Craft Transportation will be
gasoline-powered.

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They both offer Wi-Fi and tracking
software included in the proposal.

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Um and when I get into the numbers, just
keep in mind that Craft Transportation

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did look to see what the current
tracking software was and included that

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software in the proposal. So that's the
BusWhere app. So they included keeping

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the tracking the same and as did
Transdev. Um both vehicles include bike

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racks and they are ADA compliant as per
the RFP.

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Um so just as a reference,
um the 2026 contract for the cab, the

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daily rate for Wednesday through
Saturday when it's running 11:00 to

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11:00 is $942.16
and on Sundays when it's a shorter day,

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it's $490.08.
The total contract for 2026 was about

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just shy of $251,000.
So um I believe that you have the

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numbers in front of you, is that
correct?

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Okay. So I just wanted to make sure. So
Transdev, um it's a 4% increase from the

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current contract um if you're
considering the daily rate.

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Um the longer days would be $980.16
and Sundays are $490.08.

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And the total contract cost is just shy
shy of $261,000.

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When you compare Kraft Transportation
for 2027,

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um the daily rate
for Wednesday through Saturday on the

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longer days is $1,187,
and the Sundays are $690.

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And the yearly cost in the Kraft
proposal is just shy of $322,000

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for the year.
Um so, do you look at the 5 years

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totally proposed? Transdev is an
increase of 4% on the daily rate for

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each year. Um Kraft Transportation is an
increase of 3% on the daily rate.

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Um for Transdev, the Wi-Fi is $660 for
the year, and the tracking software is

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$2,100 for the year.
Um there's no charge for the Wi-Fi on

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the Kraft Transportation vehicle. The
same tracking software is $3,600 for the

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year. So, if you compare those, we add
the Wi-Fi where it's no cost for Kraft,

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but $660 for Transdev. Transdev, the
total Wi-Fi plus tracking is $2,760

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for the year, and um
Kraft, the total is $3,600 even. So,

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um
would you like me to get into any of the

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other numbers
for each the additional years?

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» Yes, please.
>> Okay. So, for year two, um

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if I'm looking at Transdev, it's a 4%
increase from year one. The daily rate

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for Wednesday through Saturday is
$1,019.36.

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For Sunday, it's $509.68
for a total contract cost of

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$273,552.98.

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Um for the same year for Kraft
Transportation, Wednesday through

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Saturday, the daily rate is $1,223.
And for Sunday, it's $711.

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The total contract cost is
$334,440.05.

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Um for the optional renewal years, for
year three,

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the daily rate for Transnet is $1,060.
And then $530 for Sundays.

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Total contract cost $284,000
$284

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$349,000.
And then for Craft Transportation,

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sorry, I'm looking over two pages here.
The daily rate is $1,260

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for the

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for the shorter days, with a total
contract cost of $344,241.50.

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For year four, another optional renewal
year,

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Transnet $1,102.40
for Wednesday through Saturday, which

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again are the longer days. For Sundays,
$551.20.

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Total contract cost $293,000
$710.92.

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For Craft Transportation,
um

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for Wednesday through Saturday,
$1,299.

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For Sundays, $756.
And then yearly cost

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$80.
And then finally year five, which is the

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last year of the optional renewal,
Wednesday through Saturday for Transnet,

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$1,146.56

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for the longer days, $573.28
for the shorter days, with the total

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contract cost of $305,365.

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$85.
And then for Crafts, for Wednesday

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through Saturday, $1,339.
And then for Sunday, $779 with a total

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contract cost of $363,417.75.

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Um, a couple of other things that I
wanted to note is that the Wi-Fi and

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00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:04,440
tracking software costs for both
proposals does not go up. It stays the

438
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:08,760
same for all five proposed years.
And um

439
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:13,560
there's also included the cost for
removing the existing Contra Costa Cab

440
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:17,680
branding on the Transnet vehicle, which
would be $300 at any time that you would

441
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,920
choose to do so. And then if you wanted
to re-wrap it with a half wrap, which

442
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:26,880
only goes like up halfway up the
vehicle, it's $2,800.

443
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:31,360
And the full wrap is $4,400.
And then for the CAT transportation

444
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:35,320
vehicle, the half wrap is $4,500 and the
full wrap is $6,000. And that's a

445
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,840
one-time cost for whenever
it

446
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,640
should it happen. But I will say that
the wraps are pretty

447
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,080
pretty sturdy. They last for a long
time, but

448
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:48,120
Um, and then also one other thing to
note is that you may notice on the

449
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:53,320
spreadsheet that there's different day
numbers in each year. I went through and

450
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:57,400
pulled out all of the holidays that fall
on days that CATS run. So for example,

451
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,680
the CAT doesn't run on Thanksgiving, so
I removed that Thursday from the list.

452
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,960
So that's why there's some different
days.

453
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,640
Like if
if um

454
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,920
Christmas falls on a Monday, the CAT
wouldn't run on that day anyway. So

455
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,920
that's why like some of the years say
204 days instead of say 205 or 206.

456
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,040
» I'm sorry. You spit out a lot of
information.

457
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:28,720
» Sorry.
>> Um, so it is a agreement for 3 years

458
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,960
with an optional year 4 and 5. Is that
what you said?

459
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:34,720
» It's an agreement for 2 years with an
optional year 3, 4, and 5. And those are

460
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:39,200
individual
um

461
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,200
individual 1-year renewals.

462
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:06,400
So, it's basically a 12,000 if we stay
with Trans Stat. It's about a $12,000

463
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,920
increase
>> from the current.

464
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:14,640
» for the two years over the current.
>> So, for the first year, it's about

465
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:21,800
It's just under 10,000
increase the first year, and then it's

466
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:25,200
about a a 13,000 increase from year
>> one to year two of that contract year.

467
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,000
» Do any of you have any questions?

468
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,920
All right. Again, no vote this evening,
just information.

469
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,240
Thank you.
>> Thank you very much.

470
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,240
» Thank you.

471
00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:02,120
» Next item on our agenda this evening is
a discussion on our Second Avenue

472
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:07,640
Pedestrian Safety Improvement Project. I
will invite Brian up to the podium,

473
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:11,483
and um I would you mind going over what
you have to show us this evening.

474
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:13,919
» Um
>> [clears throat]

475
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:18,480
» sure. Uh good evening, everyone. Uh as
you may recall, uh the borough received

476
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:23,200
a grant uh from PennDOT
to improve the safety of Second Avenue

477
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:26,600
um several months ago.
Uh what Britney has put up on the screen

478
00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:33,399
is the current plan.
Um this plan uh will include

479
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:36,440
high-visibility crosswalks, uh signage,
uh as well as an overhead flashing

480
00:34:34,919 --> 00:34:39,440
warning device,
uh and side-mounted warning devices. So,

481
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,520
it'll be very similar to what we already
have at Fourth

482
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,320
uh and Seventh.
Um

483
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:50,120
And that second page is really a
rendering or a detail of what the signs

484
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,720
and and the flashers will look like.
But,

485
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:59,720
um effectively, uh this uh will consist
of two mast arms uh overhead uh to show

486
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:04,200
um or to display the rapid the rapid
flashing beacons in both directions

487
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:07,520
along with associated uh pedestrian push
buttons

488
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:12,680
um and uh as I mentioned, the pavement
markings and signage. So, this plan is

489
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:17,600
currently uh under review by PennDOT. Uh
we expect any comments and or approval

490
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:20,560
in the next uh week to 2 weeks,
uh after which, once we address any

491
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:25,600
comments if there are any, we'll be
ready to advertise it for bids.

492
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:29,680
Uh so, I expect that to occur
uh probably in the next uh you know, 4

493
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,080
to 8 week time frame. We'll be ready for
that to occur.

494
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:38,080
Um so, brief update. But, with that, any
questions or any um

495
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:42,720
other information I can provide,
certainly can answer any.

496
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:47,520
» On the left-hand side
um of your screen, is that a center

497
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:50,480
island? Is that traffic calming? Is that
what that is?

498
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:54,080
» That's actually the existing painted
median that leads down towards First.

499
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,440
So, that's all that's existing. That's
already there.

500
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:01,040
Yeah. So, there's there's no real curb
work or changes with this project. Uh

501
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:07,160
we're just going to use the existing
curb bump-outs uh that are already on

502
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,160
the east side of uh Adams and Second.

503
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,760
» You want to have any other questions?

504
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,840
Okay.
Thank you.

505
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,840
» Thank you.

506
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:30,840
» All right. Next item on our agenda this
evening is to consider approving the

507
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:38,560
purchase of 680 Caldwell Lane, which
owned by RTI Caldwell LLC.

508
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,560
That parcel ID is 49-00-02707-00-7.

509
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:50,560
Um and we're looking to consider
approving a resolution, which would be

510
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:55,000
2026-11, that would authorize the
purchase/transfer of ownership of the

511
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:59,280
property.
Before we get started, I'm going to

512
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:05,880
invite Ray up to the
podium um and Frank Perry to present the

513
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:12,280
plans for this property, and then Mike
Peters will discuss the resolution and

514
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:18,880
sales situation.
And there's Shauna.

515
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,880
Sorry, I left you out. I just ran away.

516
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:27,800
Okay.
>> All right, so I'll get started with um

517
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:31,240
how we got here. Um several years ago uh
council

518
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:35,440
tasked the administration with trying to
find

519
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:40,480
facilities uh that would accommodate our
growing uh municipality. So, we were

520
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:44,480
able to
uh deal with one of those issues with

521
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:48,760
the fire station. Uh the second thing
that we were tasked with was trying to

522
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,760
find something in the

523
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:59,120
We're trying to best find something that
was fit that was uh

524
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:03,760
uh that would be uh
suitable for public works uh public

525
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:08,240
services uh
garage department, and the third thing

526
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:12,440
was the community center uh the
expansion of the community center. So,

527
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,520
uh an opportunity a couple months ago
came

528
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,600
uh forward
um

529
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:22,360
and um we had to discuss it. So, what I
want to do is initially We about what we

530
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:28,840
have.
Um so the

531
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:34,000
Currently the public services garage um
is about 5,500 sq ft. Uh what you see is

532
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,600
uh
at the bottom the bottom picture is

533
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:42,000
that is at 3:00 in the afternoon when
the garage uh when they put all the

534
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:45,280
vehicles in the garage at the end of the
day.

535
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:50,760
That's what we're able to fit in that
garage. Um

536
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:56,160
it is what I would consider a large
two-bay

537
00:38:53,440 --> 00:39:00,600
commercial garage. It is not a uh it it
is not

538
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:04,000
in any means amicable for what the
municipality is

539
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:10,800
what the municipality needs currently.
And this is not been going This is not

540
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,880
something that's new. It's been going on
for

541
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:18,360
years. Probably in approximately of 20
years. Some examples I'll show you

542
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,840
why the municipality thought years ago
that we needed to expand, but they but

543
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:25,640
they didn't take the uh they didn't take
the opportunity. So

544
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:33,160
um
The next page you'll see um

545
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:36,800
for about 20 people including two uh
summer help people, sometimes part-time

546
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:42,040
people depending
uh on what we are what we are able to uh

547
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:48,600
hire. Uh those are the facilities for
those guys. So 15 by 24 locker room.

548
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:53,400
Um they need to store their dry
equipment, wet equipment,

549
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:57,040
numerous boots, numerous pairs of boots,
uh numerous clothing that they're going

550
00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:00,480
to use throughout the day.
Uh whether that's normal weather or foul

551
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,440
weather or anything like that. There's
nowhere else in that garage to put

552
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:07,040
anything.
Um

553
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:11,280
On the right-hand side that was an
undertaking uh we they referred to it as

554
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:17,720
the break room training room, but that
was an undertaking that the public works

555
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:21,960
employees took upon themselves to do.
That was uh accomplished by them. It was

556
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,880
a tool garage.
>> Correct?

557
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:29,160
» Correct. Yes. When I was the director
down there, it was a tool garage. Um

558
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:32,600
they decided that they wanted to turn it
into a training room and

559
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,400
uh
it was built by

560
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,160
staff.
Public work staff.

561
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:42,840
Uh
but since it's

562
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:46,720
But since then, even since I've been
down there, it's it's definitely

563
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:50,600
outgrown itself. We tried to have some
meetings down there and everybody's

564
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:55,720
right on top of each other. Uh even that
picture, to be honest with you, doesn't

565
00:40:52,600 --> 00:41:01,320
do it justice. It's It um
it is truly smaller than it it looks.

566
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:06,520
Um when I talked about the bureau
looking at facilities in the past to try

567
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:10,920
to accomplish some of its needs for
storage and expansion,

568
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:15,640
West Avenue Garage, which most of the
people in the community and many people

569
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:20,000
on council don't even know that we have
Uh if you go down uh

570
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:24,080
uh West 9th Avenue,
when you're going down the hill towards

571
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:29,440
South Park, there's a small alleyway on
the left-hand side that takes you behind

572
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:35,000
some homes. This garage is located in
that alleyway. So,

573
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:40,400
it's it's on a hill, number one.
Um so, the utilization of that is

574
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:43,880
basically a sometime um mostly lawn
equipment. It's not changed since I've

575
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,760
been there. Lawn equipment that that's
concrete that you see there that they

576
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,200
put there.
Um

577
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:55,880
but it is what I would it is definitely
a two-bay residential garage. That's

578
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:59,880
what it's That's what they purchased it
for. Um

579
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:05,080
since then, um
we were able to purchase the empty lot

580
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:10,280
next to it um
about 5 years ago, 6 years ago, we

581
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:15,080
purchased the empty lot next to it.
Um

582
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:19,320
again, to be able to try to utilize this
in a more beneficial way,

583
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:23,320
uh it was a uh I think it was 11 or
12,000 dollars to purchase that lot. And

584
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:29,640
um
uh we're hope we were hoping to uh

585
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:33,560
utilize it a little bit more, but uh
simply because of the location it's

586
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:37,640
become very difficult. Um most of the as
you know, most of the trucks

587
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:42,760
that are involved in public services,
public works are larger. This is an

588
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:48,000
alleyway, literally an alleyway. And you
have to try to manipulate these larger

589
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:52,720
vehicles down this alleyway. And we've
had some incidents

590
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:56,720
in the past show that um
that uh that's not really a good idea.

591
00:42:55,080 --> 00:43:02,160
We've had some damage to our vehicles,
we've had some damage to poles there uh

592
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:06,120
trying to get around. Uh it also forms a
lot of ice in in the wintertime. So,

593
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:10,800
basically in the wintertime it gets cut
off.

594
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:17,280
Uh the next facility is West 7th Ave
garage. And this is um what I think

595
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:21,680
uh most people in the municipality,
especially the people on West the west

596
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:26,400
side of the municipality, believe
is a

597
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:32,360
public works facility. Um
it is being utilized as a public works

598
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:38,360
facility.
But um those are pole barns. They are

599
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:44,520
not heated uh garages. Uh the other uh
garages is salt barn that uh they only

600
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:47,280
use for they only use to store salt.
Um

601
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,400
it's a uh
it

602
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:55,520
from the picture it looks like it's a a
large area, but it's difficult to

603
00:43:52,240 --> 00:44:02,000
manipulate uh the larger vehicles around
because it is two levels. Uh

604
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:08,280
the level closest to the bottom of the
the uh page um is approximately three,

605
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:13,600
four, five feet drop off,
um, from the top and some five.

606
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:18,000
And, um,
it's been difficult to maneuver around

607
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:21,520
it. And that was when I was there it was
difficult to maneuver around it. It's

608
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:26,400
even more difficult to maneuver around
it because to keep up with the current

609
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:31,200
needs of what the municipality has,
there's been a substantial amount of,

610
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:35,400
um, small equipment, large equipment
that that's been purchased, and

611
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:39,800
equipment that we never kept in the
past. So, we never had a backup trash

612
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:45,600
truck, for instance.
So, when we our trash truck broke,

613
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:50,240
we kindly borrowed one from Clinton
Township, and then watched on Facebook

614
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:53,120
as everybody said, "How come a Clinton
Township

615
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:59,200
trash truck is driving around our
municipality?" But now we have backups

616
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:02,720
to our vehicles. Um,
if you look at the center of these

617
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:05,720
pictures, those are 53-ft cargo
containers

618
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:10,520
that you see in this picture.
>> 53-ft cargo containers are utilized.

619
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:14,840
What do we use them for now? Right now
there's holiday decorations that

620
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:19,320
we have up that line Main Street every
year. There are a couple of ones that

621
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:25,040
are throughout Miracle Park.
Um, the other two store all kinds of

622
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:28,320
other event-related items.
And they're packed

623
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:31,160
with climbing over things every day to
get in and out of there. What we put in

624
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,320
there is
a hazard.

625
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,720
» They literally are like a tractor. So,
you open the back doors, and if you want

626
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,680
the thing that's all the way on the
other end, you've got to climb over

627
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,400
everything else to get it and pull it
out.

628
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:46,000
Um, there's only one way in, one way
out.

629
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:50,080
Um,
the other equipment that you see on the

630
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:53,200
bottom hand, right hand side, that's not
only equipment that some of it was

631
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:58,360
purchased
by the municipality, but a lot of this

632
00:45:55,320 --> 00:46:02,280
equipment we've gotten on grants. And,
uh, it's a substantial amount of money.

633
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:06,160
Some of the the chippers, some of the
equipment we've gotten

634
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:09,440
uh we've been lucky enough to get grant
uh grants for for a while now,

635
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,480
especially our recycling. So, we've
gotten a lot of grants for recycling,

636
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:19,120
but
Um so, we're able to um

637
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:23,760
So, we were able to to to to
bring that equipment into the

638
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:28,600
municipality, but it's become an issue
as to where it

639
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:34,320
gets placed. If you place it some of it
is diesel, it requires depot then in the

640
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:39,400
wintertime. If you place it outdoors, it
gets weathered very quickly.

641
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:43,240
Uh hoses and deterioration
of those vehicles is

642
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:47,880
quite evident
uh after the winter if they stayed out

643
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:51,040
through the winter outside through the
winter.

644
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:56,640
Uh I will note and this is the the
genius of the public works department.

645
00:46:54,040 --> 00:47:00,320
The picture on the left-hand side, you
see a bunch of concrete blocks that are

646
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:05,320
there.
Uh they built those concrete blocks

647
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:09,200
because there is no way for them to load
salt into their trucks because of the

648
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:14,600
height of the new trucks.
So, the public works department built

649
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:19,040
a lift uh basically a small not a lift,
but a small bridge like that where

650
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:22,720
they're able to drive
a front-end loader on top of it and dump

651
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,360
the
uh

652
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:31,360
salt into their trucks
to be able to work through the night at

653
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:34,760
this location. Uh the other thing that
you'll notice about the location is

654
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:39,920
those parts of the district have roads
about uh 30 ft wide and another let's

655
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:44,800
say 15 ft to the front door of the
houses across.

656
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:47,080
Um we have heard for many years um
I don't know if I'm supposed to reveal

657
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:52,480
it, but I know the previous
councilperson um

658
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:56,880
uh she had uh as our the home for the
next public safety center.

659
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,320
That's something I have to talk
walk.

660
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:04,240
» You're good.
>> Um it's hard to get an idea of what

661
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:07,960
45,000 sq ft is. So, not that we're
going to have it in there, but the

662
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:13,280
biggest vehicle we could find is our
Quint trash Quint fire truck. So, we

663
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:17,760
drove it through the building. So, what
you see here is the Quint inside the

664
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:23,160
building and it easily maneuvers around
this building. Uh the build parts part

665
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:27,680
of the building was um
uh

666
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:31,440
they they they they In 2007, they put an
addition on

667
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:36,520
the lower end of this building, which
gave the 45,000 sq ft. So, there's a

668
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:38,760
separate a wall separation between them.
Um

669
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:45,760
It is
by no means a perfect building. It is a

670
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:50,960
work in progress. So, it will be a work
in progress over numerous years to get

671
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:57,080
it to what
eventually would be a

672
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:59,680
a very good public safety building. Um
public

673
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,760
works building.
Um

674
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:05,120
but um
the good the the the things about it

675
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:12,080
that
stuck out right away are the size, open

676
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:17,240
bays, the easily accessible to uh
to um

677
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:19,760
to the borough as a whole on that side.
Um

678
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:26,480
we really don't have any residential
issues there. Um

679
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:31,680
We did get uh that plan is a tree plan
uh to try to address some of the things

680
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:35,960
that we potentially saw we might have uh
issues with is the noise and

681
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:41,960
uh aesthetics.
Uh so, we had uh some drawings and plans

682
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:50,440
as to how to address some of those. We
would uh it's in dire need of

683
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:54,280
some TLC. Um so, trees, plantings,
painting, those things we would start

684
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:57,800
looking at them just immediately.
Renewing the office portion of it would

685
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,800
be done
almost immediately.

686
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:05,800
Um
and move from there. The office portion

687
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:11,920
of this building is
almost the size of the entire public

688
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:17,520
works garage, 600 block of about
about 5,000 square square feet.

689
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:22,640
Um
so we did uh we started the

690
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:27,840
and the last phase is basically the size
in comparison to to what we have now

691
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:31,280
as though both um
on all our current sites size-wise and

692
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,440
uh
uh

693
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:40,400
as to what we have if we purchase that
building, it's a 215% increase in

694
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:45,000
space.
Um

695
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:49,400
so um some of the things that we looked
at along with this is what would we do

696
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,720
with the current current current
properties we have. So

697
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:57,160
um
just going through

698
00:50:54,600 --> 00:51:02,440
off the top of my head, 6th Avenue 600
block of East East Elm Street.

699
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:05,680
Um we have already had an engineer look
at that to put a second floor on it.

700
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:09,760
We're waiting to see what the results of
that are. The second floor would give a

701
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,400
second floor for
uh

702
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:16,240
the availability for the public works
people to go to the second floor to use

703
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:21,600
it for locker rooms, a lunch room,
things like that, but it wouldn't open

704
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:25,240
up the area for the larger vehicles.
Uh we would still be dealing with what

705
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:29,280
we're dealing with there.
Um to try to leave the facility in the

706
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:34,680
same same
footprint with the same uh

707
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:40,200
uh roof and everything else, we know we
have a problem with that. You've seen

708
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:43,080
that in our in almost every capital um
uh

709
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:46,160
capital budget that I that since I've
taken over. Um

710
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:49,640
we've always tried to account for the
fact that

711
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:54,000
that roof
on that building was eventually going to

712
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:56,400
have to be replaced.
Um

713
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:03,440
some of the problems with that is where
we're going to put everybody when while

714
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:07,840
we're doing it. Um we did have a flood
there one time and we brought in a

715
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:11,360
trailer
to accommodate all the public works

716
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:16,160
department, but we still were able to
open up the garages

717
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:20,560
to use the garages while the trailer was
on location and it just became quite

718
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:25,720
evident that we were in a
pretty futile position where we are. Um

719
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:29,360
where where that location is. Uh we've
eliminated the use We started to

720
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:33,240
eliminate almost completely the use of
the gas pumps.

721
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:36,760
Uh there is no more gas. We we're we're
going to use an outside entity for

722
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:39,360
getting for pumping uh for for getting
our fuel.

723
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:47,360
Um
but the location of the gas pumps

724
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:51,480
in proximity of the power lines in front
of them

725
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:54,080
uh prohibits us from ever really going
through a process of changing any of

726
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:58,320
that.
Even to remove that,

727
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:02,560
um when we got bidding on some of
removing the tanks, um

728
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:07,840
most of the operators want to bring a
crane in and put it on Hector Street

729
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:12,480
and go over two houses
to remove the tank on Hector Street.

730
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,920
Um
so it's a tight place it's a tight uh

731
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:20,640
very tight
place. It's

732
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:25,760
far outweighing what it
was meant for when I was down there. Uh

733
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:29,880
I'll let Frank speak to the current
conditions

734
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:37,200
uh since he's gained some employees and
some equipment since I left there. Uh

735
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,200
but we'll start with that

736
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:43,880
particular building.
>> Um so that as Ray said, that building is

737
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,760
beyond repair a
and there are a lot of repair issues

738
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,800
there.
leaks in

739
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:54,680
numerous spots over top of electrical
wires. There is major leak every time it

740
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,680
rains.
Um

741
00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:02,360
it does leak onto the electrical wires,
the alarm panels, and all that stuff.

742
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:05,520
And we are just out of space. Our
mechanic works out of there on a daily

743
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,960
basis.
Um

744
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:13,360
So, we have, you know, his area in the
corner that takes up one basically one

745
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:16,280
half of the garage is where the mechanic
has his lift and his equipment.

746
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:20,040
And
as you see in the pictures, our fleet

747
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:23,000
trucks are in there every day. It's It's
a multi

748
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:27,080
Um
We fight it a little every day. We have

749
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:30,960
a lot of equipment parked outside.
Millions of dollars of equipment that

750
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:35,080
just sits outside.
It's vulnerable to the weather, to

751
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:38,840
people getting in, you know,
that stuff down in the garage. You know,

752
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:42,520
they can get over the fence easily.
And we have a lot of equipment outside,

753
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:46,840
dangerous equipment.
Um chippers are all sitting outside cuz

754
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:49,640
we have no room for anything.
Um

755
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:52,840
We take it in as Ray said, the cargo
containers.

756
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,680
Um
that stuff down in the Yeah.

757
00:54:54,640 --> 00:55:00,760
Back at
Elm Street,

758
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:04,360
we have 19 guys that share a room
that is half the size of this quarter

759
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:08,200
the size of this one.
where they're getting changed as Ray

760
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,640
said, you know, their locker rooms
there. We have

761
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:14,360
We don't even have enough lockers for
the amount of guys we have.

762
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:17,920
They're just hanging stuff up.
Clothing laying everywhere.

763
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:23,080
Office space, there's
myself, Robert and myself, and four

764
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:29,920
managers crammed in a
20 by 9 ft office space. There's four

765
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:34,160
desks. It's basically like cubicles.
Um

766
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:39,120
So, we, you know, and the bathroom is
there's only, you You one stall, one

767
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:42,560
urinal in there for 20 people.
It's we

768
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:47,280
outgrew I mean, it served its purpose.
Don't get me wrong, but I think it is

769
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:49,600
now time to consider and this
opportunity of

770
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:55,320
you know, when our public works
department works out.

771
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,320
Um I think this is a good plan.

772
00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:00,320
» How long you
>> I've been here 29 years now.

773
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:02,520
So, I've seen it grow. I've been through
it.

774
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,400
Um
and it doesn't look like it's stopping

775
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,040
to grow.
And

776
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:11,360
the equipment and the work and things
that happen and

777
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:17,320
more work we're taking on, we just have
nowhere to store anything.

778
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:19,600
We're piling stuff on top of each other.
Everything.

779
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:29,440
» So, when we get past the the operations
portion of it and get down to what um we

780
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:34,040
would do with that property. So, uh
there is there would be no intention for

781
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:37,800
the borough to really need that property
anymore. So, um

782
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:42,640
uh
when when these properties become

783
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:46,880
available or people get on the rumor
mill or and start uh

784
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:51,480
hearing that these properties are going
to be available, there's a lot of

785
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:57,040
generally a lot of phone calls if there
is interest and there has been interest

786
00:56:53,440 --> 00:57:00,960
in it in the general uh in the
general public for purchasing of that

787
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:05,640
uh
garage, but

788
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:10,400
we've also engaged in some conversations
with the sewer authority. They're also

789
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:13,680
going through the same issue that public
works is going through, which is

790
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:18,800
um
expansion. There is that they need to

791
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:23,600
expand and there's really nowhere to go.
They are, as you can

792
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:27,840
most some people don't know this, but
uh a good portion of our

793
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:31,480
some portion of the uh sewer authority
is actually in Wetmore Township.

794
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:35,840
Um
so, when uh

795
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:39,600
when this discussion came up, one of the
things we needed to do for this

796
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:45,440
particular building during our due
diligence period was we wanted to have

797
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:49,160
uh the storm sewer looked at and the
sewer system looked at and we went to

798
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:55,640
the sewer authority and asked them to do
that for us and in that conversation uh

799
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:57,920
during that conversation it came up that
that they may have interest in that

800
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,480
property.
Um so,

801
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:06,480
uh that opened up a lot of options in
the municipality municipality uh

802
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:10,320
and I guess there's some legal
Obviously, there's going to be some

803
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:13,880
legal hurdles, whether that's a public
entity, private entity, however that's

804
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:18,760
dealt with, but for us it doesn't really
matter. So,

805
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:23,520
one way or another, uh we can be it's a
private public entity and we can deal

806
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:27,280
with it a little bit differently, but um
otherwise, it would go up for auction

807
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,880
just like any other property that the
Borough of Duncannon would put up for

808
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,160
auction.
Uh

809
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:36,640
we would set a
um we would set a price that we would

810
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:39,800
want for it um and put it up on put it
up for auction.

811
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:43,840
That's 6th Avenue.
Um

812
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:48,520
7th Avenue, which is the more intriguing
one. I I think we would What what the

813
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:53,280
goal there would be would be to bring it
back to what it

814
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:58,400
is supposed to be, which is an extension
of Southwest Park.

815
00:58:55,120 --> 00:59:01,800
Uh and in doing so, again, in
Anita's name, we're going to have to

816
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:07,000
bring bring up her name every 5 minutes
for this, but Anita did approach council

817
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:10,960
uh several times about putting a dog
park there.

818
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:15,760
Uh in fact, she presented I I didn't
remember clearly, but she presented uh

819
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:19,400
at least I saw a rendering of the dog
park at that location. And I know

820
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:23,560
there's a lot of questions about dog
parks and things like that, uh but

821
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:28,280
because of the the way that that's
shaped, it

822
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:32,240
optimal long runs, uh
so would be able to fence it in, we'd be

823
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:36,040
able to secure it.
Uh

824
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:40,200
If I remember her renderings correctly,
she even had parking spaces there.

825
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:44,880
Um
we would not be building any structure

826
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:48,600
on that property.
No matter what.

827
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:52,120
There would be no structures.
Uh and then there would be a discussion

828
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:56,920
on what we would do with the current
structures and whether we can

829
00:59:53,920 --> 01:00:04,520
incorporate that into some type of
facility that would work with either dog

830
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:08,400
park, a park, a splash pad.
A splash pad

831
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:12,120
or whatever. Uh we do have water in
there finally, too. It wasn't water in

832
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:14,120
there before finally. There's water in
there now.

833
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:19,040
Um
but uh

834
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:22,920
if we could incorporate it, and because
it's a pole barn, it's referred to as a

835
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:28,280
pole barn, there's a lot of things we
can do with it. There's no gas in there.

836
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:31,320
There's just power. Uh it's not heated.
Um

837
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:34,400
so So, we could
the there are things that we could

838
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:38,960
potentially do it that would not have
not

839
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:42,440
not knock me down. Uh I I I did uh ask
uh

840
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:46,600
for a rendering,
uh but it was not going to be available

841
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:52,200
by this meeting. Um
if this were to move forward, there'll

842
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:57,880
be a rendering of that in in a natural
kind of setting as part of Southwick

843
01:00:54,200 --> 01:01:01,800
Park. Trees, grass,
and then whatever you want to whatever

844
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:06,800
whatever you want to do.
Uh

845
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:11,600
uh the 9th Avenue facility, again,
that's one that we would be uh we would

846
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:15,280
have to really discuss
uh

847
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:20,040
the return on the investment on that
property will probably never happen. Uh

848
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,520
we
uh lot of was paid a lot of money was

849
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:27,280
paid for that.
Uh

850
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:30,560
and I believe in 1997
uh

851
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:35,400
the community garden has talked about
fencing and trying to keep deer out and

852
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:38,960
and if you go to the community garden,
you see how everything is kind of

853
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:42,720
» which is that we would not have that. We
really wouldn't need it for anything

854
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:47,320
else. So, I don't really see why we
would

855
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:51,200
do any other direction but that.
Uh that is it.

856
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:55,720
» Um
So, uh we've done everything that we

857
01:01:53,640 --> 01:02:01,240
possibly could at this point. We've
taken We've done We've taken some ATVs

858
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:06,640
down there and seen if we could make a
connection between Cow Lane

859
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:10,200
and the bike path. Um the bike path, if
you look at the aerial picture, the bike

860
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:16,160
path comes in
about at the turn of 476.

861
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:20,880
Um but it is a pretty pretty substantial
slope. Um

862
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:25,360
uh but we did take some ATVs to see if
if there was be a potential there and it

863
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:28,720
would be hard
um

864
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:32,080
construction, but
we could definitely have conversations

865
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:34,920
with Lower Merion Township in the
uh

866
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:38,040
in the future and then we would be able
to be able to run

867
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:41,440
a path through Cow Lane. It would be
very

868
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:45,760
neat to have a
connection between the A-field

869
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:49,360
and the bike path.
Uh going through the office property

870
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:53,200
over there.
Uh so, we look at every opportunity we

871
01:02:51,760 --> 01:03:00,240
can. The only structure that you
wouldn't that you would see on this site

872
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:03,840
uh that isn't on this site currently
would be a salt.

873
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:08,160
We would build a salt barn. Salt is very
corrosive.

874
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:12,760
Um so, to put salt inside a building, uh
we wouldn't want to do that as much as

875
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:16,760
the structure. So, somewhere along in
that on that property, there's numerous

876
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:19,720
locations outside of
um

877
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:23,000
outside of any
aesthetic issues that you possibly

878
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,920
impose by it.
We would be we would be able to close

879
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:29,200
off the
sidewalk.

880
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:33,240
Uh the same type that you see
on at 7th Avenue. It would be a

881
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,640
uh
a whole block

882
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:39,680
with the front loading dock.
Uh so that's the only other structure

883
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:43,560
that we would be
putting on our property so

884
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:46,960
concrete with a
with a with a loading dock so

885
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:57,880
» Any questions from anybody? That was a
lot of information.

886
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:04,960
» If this and and just let's I mean to be
quite honest with you,

887
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:07,560
if this does not work out, we will still
be having to live with it. So

888
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:13,440
do
let's by no means try to pretend like

889
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:18,680
that's not what we have to have. It is
going to have to happen.

890
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:22,880
Um and it's probably sooner than later.
So if this does not work out, we will be

891
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:25,240
we'll just continue looking for another
gate.

892
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:31,760
» For me,
I'm I'm repeating back to you some of

893
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:35,240
the things you said but
to summarize them,

894
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:40,120
it sounds like there's two big issues,
safety and efficiency.

895
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:46,240
I mean every property you name has a
what I think is a worker safety issue.

896
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:50,480
Uh and overall it sounds like there's an
efficiency issue where you definitely

897
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,480
lose a lot.

898
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:56,720
Yeah, that's just a tunnel. I mean,
I mean you talked for a while and I have

899
01:04:54,640 --> 01:05:00,560
to sum it up in 2 seconds.
And that's what I'm hearing you say is

900
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:05,440
worker safety too.
>> So a common sense issue like trying to

901
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:11,920
make a connection on a vehicle when it's
snowing and 20 and 12 degrees and doing

902
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:16,120
it inside a facility and then going out
>> I I've made a list

903
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:19,720
pretty much every property you named has
some kind of

904
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:23,280
I mean, that that is
that's a major safety issue. Someone's

905
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:27,800
going to get hurt, but even smaller I
mean, raining into electrical areas and

906
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,800
things like that.

907
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:34,040
Yeah, so that's
those are the two biggest topics I'm

908
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:39,520
going to be talking about.
>> Mr. Frank, as the director of the public

909
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:45,800
services department, you talked about
having a single mechanic.

910
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:50,560
That mechanic is responsible for every
piece of equipment including police

911
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:55,520
cars.
>> Fire, snow plow.

912
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:58,600
» So, so one mechanic for all that
equipment with one day.

913
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:03,760
» Yes.
>> So, I would anticipate that's an area

914
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:07,080
that we probably are going to need to
see growth in as well.

915
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:12,080
Um, and this would give us the
opportunity to actually put some

916
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:15,120
mechanics in to be able to do that.
>> Yes, absolutely. And that's

917
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,720
the new space
potential new space.

918
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:21,120
Uh, there's
more than enough opportunity

919
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:24,480
that I have
another

920
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:28,400
thing that we have in the future.
Definitely

921
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:32,440
keep moving forward.
>> And that goes to both of the both of the

922
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:37,920
both of the departments.
>> The current lift that we have we've

923
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:40,760
already got pricing to move and it's
actually much cheaper than what we

924
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,880
thought it to move it to another
location.

925
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:47,280
So, that was relatively new and it can
be reutilized

926
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:50,880
in a new location.
Uh, and we do currently have one

927
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:55,200
mechanic, but we have what I think would
be called one mechanic in training,

928
01:06:53,080 --> 01:07:00,600
which we will which um,
we have discussed with Stephanie and

929
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:05,800
uh, he's in school to finish. He was a
licensed mechanic at one point, but he

930
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:11,720
his license ran out, but he's interested
in now. amazing difficult

931
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:14,760
person to find and hire
and we're not going to be able to have

932
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:17,680
one that's on staff.
And we're trying to get a

933
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:27,040
» So, I'm not hearing that this is going
to be as big of a project as the public

934
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:32,560
safety building where it was a knock
down, rebuild, millions of dollars to to

935
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:40,000
outfit. I'm hearing that this is a
building that we can use its bones and

936
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:43,960
develop it out as we go.
It probably needs a little bit of

937
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:47,840
something to get it up and running.
>> Oh, absolutely. I mean,

938
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:50,120
the biggest thing to get us in there
uh

939
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:54,160
the office area
right now is

940
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:59,040
might be considered uninhabitable and
it has some mold issues from it just

941
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:02,440
sitting. So, we would
go in there

942
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:05,000
in house and we've got that.
Um

943
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:07,600
and make our space
be great for me and my

944
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,120
employees.
It needs some I guess I'd say TLC.

945
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:15,560
Um
but the bones are good. Everything else

946
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:20,799
about the building
And we did have a conversation with the

947
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:24,920
owner um based on because the sale of
this property is relatively new and I

948
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:28,319
don't really want to He doesn't want me
to get into the specifics of the sale,

949
01:08:26,839 --> 01:08:32,319
so I'm not going to.
But um the sale of this property is

950
01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:36,759
relatively new and he can't
um

951
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:40,319
so, he's had to go go through all of the
all of the due diligence

952
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:43,440
in order to purchase property. So, there
were some uh asbestos shingles on the

953
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:47,839
floor.
That has already been remediated and we

954
01:08:45,480 --> 01:08:53,160
have documentation of that remediation
and we were able He's been very amicable

955
01:08:50,759 --> 01:08:57,319
with us uh with us about going in and
out and looking at and we are you know,

956
01:08:55,560 --> 01:09:01,480
that that has been taken care of and
remediated correctly by a certified

957
01:08:59,480 --> 01:09:06,240
company because it was part of the
documentation. Um that was

958
01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:09,839
Um so those are the things that that
we've seen. There is one final aspect I

959
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:14,920
will talk to you
with with with with um

960
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:19,040
equipment. So one thing that we have not
gotten into was was the final phase of

961
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:23,359
the public services and barrels going to
do with

962
01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:26,960
Once the roads are where they need to
be, there's the next part of that

963
01:09:25,480 --> 01:09:32,960
equation maintaining them and
maintaining the level where it needs to

964
01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:36,680
be. So one lane for instance goes bad,
what are you going to do?

965
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:40,520
So
in the next 18 months, the

966
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:44,720
bureau's
public services department will be

967
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:47,920
developing a program to do road
maintenance which will include

968
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:52,440
uh
mill and overlay

969
01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:56,000
like overlay.
Uh they're going to work with actually

970
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:59,840
with Main Township a lot of that type of
work, road work. So they're going to go

971
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:03,400
up to Main Township and learn
about

972
01:10:01,480 --> 01:10:07,600
like some of their technique.
Um let's let's just talk about the um

973
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:10,040
public park and all the um
trails in the public park that they

974
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,680
recently
put there. Um this is going to last

975
01:10:11,480 --> 01:10:17,600
forever.
Um they will be able to

976
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:20,200
redo them and maintain them and actually
do

977
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:23,160
and with Main Township that's the first
project that they're going to do with

978
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:26,880
the Main Township. They're doing some of
the doing some of the park

979
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:31,480
and the trails and they're learning
and so they're going to go there and

980
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:34,640
learn how to do that. And eventually
through the capital program and when

981
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:37,160
it's when it's necessary, um they're
going to get the equipment that they

982
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:41,480
need to do it.
Um they can rent some of it

983
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:45,680
um but they don't know how to use them.
That was never part of what they did.

984
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:49,960
Um that will be the final portion of
what they did. So you'll have storm

985
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:55,840
water
sanitation

986
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,840
tree removal

987
01:10:56,040 --> 01:11:02,480
salt
which we do also state roads down with

988
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:05,760
the with the bridge as well as the state
roads here in Peterborough.

989
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:11,200
Um
All that is done by um

990
01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:14,240
these guys. So, it's an ever-evolving
job

991
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:20,320
and um
and it's an ever-evolving job with the

992
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:24,920
professionalism that is required for the
Um they're trained well.

993
01:11:22,440 --> 01:11:29,160
Um they do the job well. Um
and this is uh

994
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:34,600
this would be the perfect half to if we
can make it work. But, if we can't, like

995
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:37,400
I said, we will not settle for less.
So, we'll do a fine something else.

996
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:44,760
» I'm trying to
um better understand the

997
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:48,160
uh
how we'll start utilizing the space. I

998
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:52,920
mean, again,
we're overstuffed. We are, you know,

999
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:57,320
basically packing stuff on top of other
things. It's dangerous to

1000
01:11:55,440 --> 01:12:01,280
to do that because, you know, any
inefficient. Um but, I guess my question

1001
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:05,200
is
the facility going to be about three

1002
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:09,440
times the size of what we currently
have.

1003
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:15,320
Uh so, what do you estimate we would
already fill up of that space given what

1004
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:20,080
we have? Like 50% of the new space?
>> Yeah, I I I Well, I I I would say we'll

1005
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:22,720
be maybe 2/3 of the space would be full.
Um

1006
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:26,720
we have So,
we have

1007
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:31,400
other facilities
we store and we we lease We're we're

1008
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:35,720
currently leasing facilities
in order to store equipment.

1009
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:40,560
So, that I didn't bring up. I only
brought up the

1010
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:46,760
the properties that we actually own.
Uh or have uh a vested interest in other

1011
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:50,760
than the leased properties. But, we do
have We have We do have properties that

1012
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:53,120
we lease uh where we store our
equipment.

1013
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:57,920
Uh um
We have even our property

1014
01:12:55,560 --> 01:13:02,320
here, we have
equipment that

1015
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:06,800
would all go for the most part there.
And because it's an open

1016
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:11,560
setup, there's a lot of things we can do
inside um, to

1017
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:14,800
hot it, make it
uh, the police department can have their

1018
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:18,680
place, the fire department can have
their place.

1019
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:23,640
Um, and yeah, yeah, one thing I did
forget to say is

1020
01:13:21,480 --> 01:13:28,440
65 Elm Street, one of the view, Elm
Street garage is not sprinklered.

1021
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:32,320
Um, there's no sprinkler system there at
all. So, there's a placard on the front

1022
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:35,400
of the building and if it catches on
fire, fire department doesn't have to go

1023
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:40,400
straight for
Um, this is a fully sprinklered.

1024
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:45,280
It's fully sprinklered.
So, we also have a little bit more faith

1025
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:48,960
in the fact that we could put some of
this kinds of equipment.

1026
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:52,040
Um, and
sprinklers are jump out and I was

1027
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:55,800
talking about with life safety, but they
also put out fires. That's what I'm

1028
01:13:54,160 --> 01:14:00,440
talking about with the fire department.
Um,

1029
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:04,120
uh, so, that was definitely a benefit
for this. That these are

1030
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,120
fully so

1031
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:20,120
» Anyone else have any questions related
to this?

1032
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:28,520
Yeah, where you said you this was built
and keep talking.

1033
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:32,240
Realistically, where else is there
a close good borough contract?

1034
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:36,440
» I'm not going to be sarcastic, Kathleen.
You you walk with sound

1035
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:39,080
way more than I do.
Um,

1036
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:41,480
you tell me.
>> I I don't I can't think of any place

1037
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:44,520
that
>> plan to try to make that negotiation

1038
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,600
happen.
>> Right.

1039
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:50,840
» Um,
but even

1040
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:55,640
even when we have even engaged in some
some talks, in general, they've been

1041
01:14:53,720 --> 01:15:00,000
conversations about leasing and never
buying. And then, um the other ones,

1042
01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:05,880
when you start thinking about where they
are, they really don't work. We can't

1043
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:09,000
have a facility like this
on the other side of the train tracks.

1044
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:13,080
It's not going to
We have to have a facility We can't have

1045
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:16,960
a facility along that Hollow Lane
stretch because it's going to break

1046
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:21,600
every once in a while for a little bit
of time.

1047
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:25,720
So, this is, believe it or not, there is
not even a corner of this

1048
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:29,920
and that's why
the tributary behind it is not a

1049
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:34,720
tributary to the Williams Brook. That's
also a small borough road that floods.

1050
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:40,560
Um
but not in that section.

1051
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:44,200
» So, basically, this or
nothing else?

1052
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:46,920
» Maybe some of the land around it.
Maybe some

1053
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:55,520
But yeah, there's I don't really I don't
see anything that's I don't see anything

1054
01:15:54,160 --> 01:16:00,400
in in that
inside of the borough of Mountainside.

1055
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,400
I just don't.

1056
01:16:01,480 --> 01:16:07,520
» And Mike, there's no problem with the
borough of Mountainside running a

1057
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:10,000
business in Summit Township?
>> Not running a business.

1058
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,760
But
>> They're operating

1059
01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:14,400
» They're operating running a municipal
operation out of another jurisdiction.

1060
01:16:13,480 --> 01:16:16,560
There's no prohibition on that
whatsoever.

1061
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:25,560
» Anyone else?
Mike, can you just go over the

1062
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:29,160
resolution real fast?
>> Sure. Um so,

1063
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:33,880
what we prepared, and council has seen
these before when we've engaged in

1064
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:38,320
property purchases, is a
a resolution that sets forth some of the

1065
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:42,120
background, nowhere near as as detailed
as we're going to do, some of the

1066
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:45,000
background of why the this is needed,
um

1067
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:50,320
and then authorizes as this moves
forward

1068
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:55,600
your borough manager with my advice and
and help to execute the documents that

1069
01:16:52,720 --> 01:17:00,480
are needed for purchase of the property.
It attaches a draft agreement of sale.

1070
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:05,760
That draft agreement of sale
is going to be amended, and that is

1071
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:10,360
because we included our a standard due
diligence period in here.

1072
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:14,680
But we do already know that we will be
some zoning relief from from the

1073
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:19,040
township, so we will be
uh amending this

1074
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:23,400
agreement of sale to provide a time
period within which we can seek that

1075
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:28,960
zoning relief from their zoning hearing
board. No red flags at this time in

1076
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:32,000
terms of obtaining that, but um prior to
closing the borough certainly wants to

1077
01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:38,000
have that
in hand. The purchase price is $5.975

1078
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:43,960
million,
and otherwise the agreement of sale is

1079
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:48,280
relatively straightforward just because
um there's not there's not a lot to this

1080
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:52,800
in terms of of um
financing in turn as between us and the

1081
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:57,400
and the seller. So,
um the provisions of the resolution are

1082
01:17:54,800 --> 01:18:02,000
are relatively short, and what we do um
in these circumstances and what we do

1083
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:06,960
here is after we have
the agreement of sale form finalized and

1084
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:11,520
agreed to between the parties,
um you guys will consider it again at

1085
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:14,000
that will likely be in the meeting um 2
weeks from now.

1086
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:23,280
» And then just from a financing
perspective, so again at the closing,

1087
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:27,760
the cost is $5,975,000
plus associated closing costs.

1088
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:31,400
And the post funding plan will be to
utilize $3 million from the borough's

1089
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:34,560
general funds.
And then $3 million from the capital

1090
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:37,600
fund balance.
And we'd use cash on hand to purchase

1091
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:42,320
the real property.
And then upon receipt of the 2027 bond

1092
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:46,480
proceeds, which are already underway,
which should

1093
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:49,600
come in approximately early 2027,
the borough will reimburse the capital

1094
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:53,400
fund in the amount of 3.9 million of
those proceeds.

1095
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:57,400
So, you have the funding available
um and it is

1096
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:59,800
sufficient for the acquisition. It is
prepared.

1097
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:08,360
Any other questions?

1098
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:18,160
Hearing no other questions
this evening, I'm looking for a motion

1099
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:23,400
to approve the resolution 2026-11,
which would authorize the purchase and

1100
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:30,000
transfer of ownership of 680 Conover
Lane tax parcel

1101
01:19:25,480 --> 01:19:35,040
um in the amount of $5,975,000
plus the associated closing costs. And

1102
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:38,840
Stephanie, whenever we're those funds
which is what I'm going to

1103
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:41,600
do to get to you that.
>> I make the motion to approve.

1104
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:44,240
» I'll second.
>> I have a motion and a second. All in

1105
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:47,840
favor?
>> Aye.

1106
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:50,680
» Aye. Anyone opposed?
Motion carries.

1107
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:54,720
Thank you.
>> Thank you very much.

1108
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,520
» How are you doing, Bob? You're right
back there.

1109
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,840
Talk to Stephanie so you know where that
is.

1110
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:07,360
Where are you going? My battery is
dying.

1111
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:11,080
» be the motion to approve.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1112
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:14,600
Um all right. Next item on our agenda
this evening is council business. It

1113
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:18,920
doesn't look like we have any other
council business. Um so, we'll move

1114
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:22,720
right into the manager matters and have
a discussion on the park and recreation

1115
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:26,960
mission.
Okay. Yeah, we'll go through the

1116
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:30,120
ordinance that was passed that that
revised the park and rec ordinance and

1117
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:33,520
then create the park and rec creation
commission. And so, now we need to

1118
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:38,480
discuss the compilation of that actual
commission, and then start the process

1119
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:42,840
of advertising for the vacant positions,
interviewing, and appointing with the

1120
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:47,400
plan of having the commission up and
running for early 2027. So, all we're

1121
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:52,200
asking is to get the team going on. Um
the one piece of clarification that I do

1122
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:57,920
need from council is that the commission
is five members total.

1123
01:20:55,120 --> 01:21:01,880
And the compilation can either be one or
two council members, and then that

1124
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:04,000
depending on what you decide. Either one
of the council members would either be

1125
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:07,640
three
or four

1126
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:11,280
residents.
So, the main direction we need from you

1127
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:16,120
this evening is how would you like that
compilation set up,

1128
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:20,440
and also just give us authorization to
start the interview the advertising and

1129
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:24,400
interview process.
>> So, this will follow the same process

1130
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:31,040
that we've used for other commissions
and committees and task force. Our

1131
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:35,640
people will apply with interest.
We will interview them, and we will, as

1132
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:42,640
a council, make a selection on who those
members are those members.

1133
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:47,280
» Council, is there any um feeling of one
or two council members on this

1134
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:53,960
commission?
>> So, I'll say that

1135
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:57,680
preliminarily I have been spoke to
some people about the parks and

1136
01:21:55,640 --> 01:22:02,320
recreation director.
Um

1137
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:06,120
seems to be some good interest in places
that we haven't

1138
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:09,920
necessarily seen here
before.

1139
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:15,720
Um
so, I'm kind of bullish on saying that

1140
01:22:12,440 --> 01:22:20,680
we can get a good amount of residents
on the commission, and um

1141
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:26,360
obviously like Little League has has the
interest of

1142
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:29,680
softball things like that. There's even
gentlemen who have played basketball

1143
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:31,960
with the new board. And the board wants
to

1144
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,960
you were sitting
and

1145
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:38,880
you showed your interest in it, so
um

1146
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:41,920
I'd be okay with one council person and
leaning

1147
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:46,320
on
us getting

1148
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:51,000
or other people I know traditionally
who've been talking to receive.

1149
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:53,640
» We can also reserve the right to if you
only get so much interest to tell them

1150
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:57,000
that the council
>> Well, I think that's the idea. If you do

1151
01:22:55,200 --> 01:23:01,520
that, then that's what I what I would
suggest would be the plan. But again,

1152
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:04,600
right now
I can't say for certain, but I think

1153
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:09,280
there's a good amount of
of interest in uh

1154
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,280
being part of

1155
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:16,560
» So, opposed to one council member and
four searching for four.

1156
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:19,000
We need members?
>> I like it.

1157
01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:22,720
» Great. Should I write it? Got it.

1158
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:32,080
So, you will
you will based on that

1159
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:37,520
direction start the advertising process
to start having candidates interviewed.

1160
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:41,080
So, anyone has any questions or anyone
has interest, you can forward them to

1161
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:45,480
bring me or I will walk them through the
process of getting them set up.

1162
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:50,680
» And as a reminder
commissioners that are appointed are the

1163
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:55,440
voting members, but anyone who comes to
any of the meetings and

1164
01:23:52,840 --> 01:24:00,240
have input and discussion.
>> Correct. And this commission is going to

1165
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:05,680
be the main commission that's going to
serve as an advisory role to council

1166
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:10,840
on the things pertaining to development,
improvement, use, maintenance, leisure

1167
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:13,960
needs of the borough parks, playgrounds,
and recreational facilities.

1168
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:21,120
So, it's a good kicking off part for the
the growth of our next

1169
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:26,440
» So, just to call out the difference,
this will be the advisory board.

1170
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:32,200
» Correct. Friends of Contra Costa Parks
is our fundraising arm. So, they're two

1171
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:35,800
separate and distinct groups that will
work together for the community.

1172
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:40,360
» So, there's two separate and distinct
groups that need to be the Contra Costa

1173
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:42,880
Parks separately a nonprofit
organization.

1174
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:45,880
» Good.
>> Thanks.

1175
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:51,200
» Hey, just a follow up. What should I not
be a member because it will sit on both?

1176
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:55,520
» At this point, they'll be separate.
But again, as Tina said, they can

1177
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:58,440
definitely attend
and have

1178
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:00,600
be part of the conversation.
>> Thank you.

1179
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:08,480
» Anyone else?
All right, moving on.

1180
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:13,240
Our next item is to consider awarding a
bid for construction services for our

1181
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:18,000
Hollowell Street Road Construction
project.

1182
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:23,640
So, um this is one of the roads in our
road program that will be done. Um and

1183
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:29,360
the idea is we start awarding bids and
we start having all our roads rebuilt.

1184
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:34,840
Um so, I'm looking for a motion to award
the base bid with an alternate bid

1185
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:40,920
number one and an alternate bid number
two to T. Schieffer Contractors

1186
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:43,920
Incorporated, and that amount is
$832,585.

1187
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:50,000
» I'll make that motion.
>> I'll second.

1188
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,200
» I have a motion and a second. All in
favor?

1189
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:57,920
» Aye.
>> Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries.

1190
01:25:55,840 --> 01:26:02,800
Next item is to consider approving
resolution 2026-12,

1191
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:09,320
which will approve a supplemental
appropriation for the Hollowell Street

1192
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:09,320
Road Construction project.

1193
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:16,320
So, looking for a motion to approve
resolution 2026-12.

1194
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:19,480
» I'll make that motion.
>> I'll second.

1195
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:22,840
» I a motion and a second. All in favor?
Aye.

1196
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:26,640
Aye. Anyone opposed?
The motion passes.

1197
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:32,840
Next item on the agenda is a discussion
on reappointing E. Bergwall & Company,

1198
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:37,640
P.C., to conduct the bureau's annual
financial audit for fiscal years ending

1199
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:43,560
in 2027,
2028, and 2029. Stephanie, would you uh

1200
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:47,600
just go through the proposal?
>> Yes, E. Bergwall is our current

1201
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:52,640
auditor
um and they have conducted our annual

1202
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:56,960
financial audits since 2016.
They have been instrumental in uh

1203
01:26:55,320 --> 01:27:01,680
completing items such as local
valuation, final capital asset listing

1204
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:06,400
policy, and implementing government wide
financial statements.

1205
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:10,480
We are looking to renew the agreement
for another 3 years. Again, for '27,

1206
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:16,440
'28, '29.
For '27, we're looking at a $1,000

1207
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:24,080
increase at $25,000. And then for '28,
there'll be a $750 increase.

1208
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:24,080
And for 2029, a $750 increase.

1209
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:33,320
» Any questions related to that? We're not
going to vote on this tonight, but

1210
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:36,920
if you have any questions.
Jeremy, do you have any questions?

1211
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:41,640
» Stephanie, I have a quick question. I
believe the answer to this is no.

1212
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:45,200
Are we subject to a single audit act for
federal funds?

1213
01:27:43,480 --> 01:27:49,680
Because of the million dollars we don't
get that much.

1214
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:53,560
» We were subject to one single audit
award, but

1215
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:58,000
that was only for one single
grant award. Yes, one year.

1216
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:58,000
» Thanks.

1217
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,280
» Next item

1218
01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:12,640
Next item on the agenda is to consider
approving 140 East 6th Avenue

1219
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:18,560
financial security escrow release number
one, which is the final, and that would

1220
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:18,560
be in the amount of $39,809.

1221
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:26,080
Looking for a motion contingent upon the
receipt of recorded agreements with the

1222
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:27,840
MJ Acquisitions LLC.
>> I'll make that motion.

1223
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:32,840
» I'll second.
>> I have a motion and a second. All in

1224
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:37,120
favor? I. Anyone opposed?
Motion carries.

1225
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:40,880
Next item is considering 140 East 6th
Avenue professional service escrow

1226
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:45,440
release, and that would be a final
release, in the amount of $3,257.66

1227
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:52,680
plus interest.
Looking for a motion contingent upon the

1228
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:55,760
receipt of recorded agreements with MJ
Acquisitions LLC.

1229
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:58,080
» I'll make that motion.
>> I'll second.

1230
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:02,240
» I have a motion and a second. All in
favor?

1231
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:05,640
I. Anyone opposed? Motion carries.
Next item is to consider approving a

1232
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:12,320
tuition reimbursement for Sergeant
Walter for the fall of 2026. This is

1233
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:16,600
part of the local bargaining agreement,
and that amount is $7,766.88

1234
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:22,320
plus the cost of books.
Looking for a motion.

1235
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,480
» I'll make that motion.
>> Okay.

1236
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:30,480
» I have a motion and a second. All in
favor? I. Anyone opposed?

1237
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,480
Motion carries.

1238
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:34,000
Next item on our agenda

1239
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:40,040
is the Valerie answer.
Um

1240
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:46,600
is discussing the results of the trial
period for our temporary residential

1241
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:51,760
permit parking on 2 and 300 blocks
of East Elm,

1242
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:54,400
uh the 400 block of West Elm Street
parking.

1243
01:29:54,480 --> 01:30:00,880
And um looking at that to be made
permanent through a borough ordinance.

1244
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:04,160
So,
Chief Lennon, do you want to go over

1245
01:30:02,440 --> 01:30:07,280
that with us just real quick?
>> Yes.

1246
01:30:05,440 --> 01:30:11,080
Um like you said, we're here to give an
update on the temporary parking permit

1247
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:14,240
resolution that we had in place for the
last 90 days.

1248
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:19,480
So, I'll begin with the 200 and 300
blocks of East Elm Street.

1249
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:23,680
In December 2025 and February 2026, the
borough received concerns from a single

1250
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:26,960
citizen about parking availability in
the 200 and 300 blocks of East Elm

1251
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:31,200
Street.
In March of 2026, a plan was formulated

1252
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:33,920
to establish whether there was a need
for residential permit parking in these

1253
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:37,240
areas.
In March, parking officers began

1254
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:41,200
collecting information on parking in the
area, including available spaces,

1255
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:44,480
current parking utilization, and
availability.

1256
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:48,360
Officers began visiting these blocks two
to three times a day to observe and

1257
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:52,320
document available parking.
The available parking in both of these

1258
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:56,120
blocks, in the 200 block we have 52
available spaces.

1259
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:58,760
In the 300 block, we have 69 available
spaces.

1260
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:02,840
The objective is to determine whether
parking occupancy consistently exceeds

1261
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:06,320
85%.
This is a commonly accepted threshold at

1262
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:13,160
which drivers begin experiencing
difficulty finding available parking.

1263
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:17,080
At the May 20, 2026 May 20th, 2026
Borough Council meeting, Borough Council

1264
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:21,280
approved a temporary 90-day resolution
establishing 2-hour residential parking

1265
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:25,080
permit for the 200 and 300 blocks of
East Elm Street. Following this meeting,

1266
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:28,760
letters and temporary permits were
distributed to all residents of these

1267
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:32,680
blocks explaining the process and
soliciting feedback.

1268
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:35,840
We also used the displayed permits to
determine whether vehicles were

1269
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:39,280
residents or were
or were visitors.

1270
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:44,240
Today, we have received questions from
one landlord about the process and its

1271
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:49,040
purpose and one business who was against
the uh establishing permanent parking.

1272
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:53,520
It should also be noted that the
original concern of both parties we

1273
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:57,760
received feedback from were all on the
200 block of East Elm Street. We

1274
01:31:55,560 --> 01:32:02,000
included the 300 block because it's a
close proximity and the available

1275
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:04,840
parking in that area.
In our charts, [clears throat] we chose

1276
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:10,160
to display based on the occupancy
consistently exceeding 75% and 85%

1277
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:14,120
because below 75% would mean that the
parking is readily available.

1278
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:17,760
So, this is
uh

1279
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:21,800
the uh this is the 200 block that we're
looking at there. If you want to go to

1280
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:27,560
the 300 block, you can see uh the 300
block, we just have one slight deviation

1281
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:32,560
where we go above that 85% and even
though we do go above that 85% uh in

1282
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:37,920
that one time frame, it still means
there's still available availability of

1283
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:42,480
five parking spots in that block. So,
um we're not seeing anything where there

1284
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:46,600
there's no parking available. So, uh
this leaves you with three options.

1285
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:50,560
Uh option one is to close the temporary
permit parking out. As the data shows,

1286
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:54,680
the commonly accepted thresholds have
not been met. It is our recommendation

1287
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:59,680
at this time that the threshold has not
been met and it is uh it is difficult to

1288
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:04,240
justify implementing implementing
residential parking

1289
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:08,760
program in this area.
Option two is to collect the data in

1290
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:12,920
these areas as current development comes
to fruition, it may influence parking

1291
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:16,600
availability.
This could be problematic based on the

1292
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:20,760
current staffing and other duties of uh
and other areas served by parking

1293
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:24,920
officers. It's taking uh taking them
away from their normal tasks of

1294
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:29,200
collecting this information.
Op- option three is implement permit

1295
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:33,440
parking on these blocks. This could be
problematic again with staffing uh

1296
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:38,680
current staffing. If residents are
required to supply necessary information

1297
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:43,520
and expenses to obtain obtain permits,
they uh deserve consistent enforcement.

1298
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:47,680
If permanent parking is
uh approved on these blocks, there will

1299
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:51,200
most likely be an effect on surrounding
blocks with the displacement of

1300
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:56,240
non-permanent park- non-permanent
vehicles on these blocks. So, as this

1301
01:33:53,920 --> 01:34:01,600
permanent parking ordinance temporary
resolution has been in place. We have

1302
01:33:58,440 --> 01:34:04,600
not received feedback from residents
saying that we're looking for this, we

1303
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:08,080
like this.
We've actually

1304
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:13,880
the lack of that information, I think,
speaks to the fact that

1305
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:18,520
it may may lead to residents not
going out and getting a permit, and then

1306
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:24,000
us unnecessarily enforcing permits on
residents that don't comply.

1307
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:28,320
Uh another consideration is that a
90-day temporary resolution receives

1308
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:31,760
limited interest. It may result in lower
compliance rates and requires

1309
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:37,480
unnecessary enforcement actions against
the vehicle that the borough residents

1310
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:41,360
the program was designed to assist.
So, that is our update for the 200

1311
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:47,240
block. I'll move to the 400 block of
West Elm Street, where we did establish

1312
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:49,920
by ordinance overnight parking.
The borough [clears throat] received

1313
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:54,120
multiple requests from residents of the
400 block of West Elm Street seeking a

1314
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:58,600
solution to ongoing shortage of
off-street parking. Prior to the

1315
01:34:56,040 --> 01:35:02,600
construction of the Madison at West Elm,
a permanent parking lot was available

1316
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:06,560
for West Elm Street residents.
Recognizing the continuing need for

1317
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:11,120
resident parking, the borough worked to
reestablish a permit parking program.

1318
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:15,560
Permits for 20 dedicated overnight
parking spaces in the Madison at West

1319
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:20,920
Elm parking lot became available for
purchase on June 1. Demand was immediate

1320
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:24,600
with 18 of the 20 permits sold within
days of becoming available.

1321
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:29,360
Since the program's implementation,
patrol officers have conducted overnight

1322
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:32,960
monitoring of the parking lot, which
began with enforcement, but quickly led

1323
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:37,040
to compliance with the permit
requirements. Residents' feedback has

1324
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:40,120
been overwhelmingly positive, with many
expressing appreciation for the

1325
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:45,160
borough's ability to develop and
implement a practical solution to

1326
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:49,520
address their parking needs.
I would also like to thank our court

1327
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:53,360
services manager, Cal Kaski, who's here
tonight, and our parking enforcement

1328
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:57,640
officers for conducting these surveys
and enforcement during this 90-day

1329
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:57,640
period.

1330
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:05,680
» Any questions pertaining
related to the

1331
01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:07,760
» Yes.
Um

1332
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:15,480
if we
choose not to

1333
01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:19,840
uh move ahead with permanent parking, is
this something that can be revisited

1334
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:24,360
later on?
>> Absolutely. We can we can revisit this

1335
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:28,640
if uh conditions change in the area,
we'd be happy to do the same thing and

1336
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:32,680
and see what uh what the results are
after that second study.

1337
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:37,000
» Right. Cuz uh you mentioned before like
conditions are about to change

1338
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:43,440
imminently as a new uh like restaurant
eatery and {slash} sports facility is

1339
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:47,960
about to go in there. And I believe they
have an agreement for parking, but

1340
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:53,440
that's not to say everyone is who starts
going there is going to know where the

1341
01:36:49,800 --> 01:37:01,280
parking is, and that may affect it, but
uh rather than say continue with the

1342
01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:04,320
permitted trial until that's built and
up and running and everything.

1343
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:08,880
I mean,
my belief is that it might be prudent to

1344
01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:12,400
just pull pull this back given your
stats. Um

1345
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:18,120
but I was interested in the fact that
like with the conditions changing, that

1346
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:18,120
we could revisit it again.

1347
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:23,800
» We'd be happy to do that.
>> Thank you.

1348
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:29,520
» And and just for the record, right? So,
these are two separate parking permits

1349
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:32,200
issues. This isn't just one overall
ordinance. We're going to consider these

1350
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:36,320
as two separate.
>> Yes, and uh both of them were were

1351
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:41,080
handled differently uh and both on the
east side and on the west side.

1352
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:44,240
» I'll tell you people in my ward are very
happy.

1353
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:47,240
So, they're happy that it's being
patrolled.

1354
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:50,480
And they're very happy to have parking
problems with those spaces.

1355
01:37:51,720 --> 01:38:00,600
» Are there creative options for the 5:00
to 9:00 p.m. that we

1356
01:37:57,400 --> 01:38:00,600
could start exploring?

1357
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:07,760
With that in mind,
I'm just thinking

1358
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:12,760
not to
just kind of drop it off, but we

1359
01:38:09,480 --> 01:38:16,200
obviously have the 5:00 to 9:00 issue.
So,

1360
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:19,080
can we try and think is there anything
else out there that we can get creative

1361
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:24,920
with?
>> There is commercial parking available

1362
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:24,920
directly behind our block.

1363
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:32,680
» That
>> I don't know if they I don't think that

1364
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:39,640
parking is timed either.
So, just general timed parking

1365
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:43,240
between certain between 5:00 to 9:00
might also be an

1366
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,240
option.

1367
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:50,640
» All right, there's no vote tonight on
this,

1368
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:53,600
but thank you for sharing that data.
Helps me make informed decisions, so I

1369
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:56,600
appreciate it.
>> Thank you.

1370
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:56,600
» Thank you.

1371
01:38:57,480 --> 01:39:06,000
» All right, next item on our agenda is
legal matters, and this is considering

1372
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:09,240
us to authorize the our solicitor to
seek party status on behalf of the

1373
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:13,280
borough
in the zoning hearing board proceedings

1374
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:16,320
regarding the proposed data center in
Lower Merion Township.

1375
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:22,240
So,
what I'm looking for is a motion to

1376
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:26,680
authorize the borough solicitor to go
tomorrow evening to seek party status on

1377
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:29,560
behalf of the borough
to the Lower Merion Zoning Board.

1378
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:32,000
» I'll make that motion.
>> I'll second.

1379
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,280
» I have a motion and a second, so all in
favor?

1380
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:35,760
» I.
>> I.

1381
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:39,040
» Anyone opposed?
Motion carries.

1382
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:42,560
You have your orders there, Mr.
Solicitor.

1383
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:42,560
» Thank you.

1384
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:48,720
» All right.
We are at the council member and mayor

1385
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:50,480
matters section. Um the mayor is not
here. Did he send pictures?

1386
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:53,360
» He did not.
>> Oh.

1387
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:57,640
» He's enjoying his vacation.
>> He is enjoying his vacation.

1388
01:39:55,680 --> 01:40:03,680
All right. So, we'll go right down the
council

1389
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:03,680
list. Mr. Frey.

1390
01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:09,800
Every time.
I know. Every time I say it wrong.

1391
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:14,640
» So,
uh yeah, I just wanted to say a quick uh

1392
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:17,560
shout out to the Conshohocken Theater
and Arts

1393
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:20,760
program.
It was really, really cool

1394
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:24,480
um
to see the turnout

1395
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:30,280
the people that came out um and
supported it. Really, really good job on

1396
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:33,360
the actual production
value of it. And the performers were

1397
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:35,880
awesome.
Uh

1398
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:39,640
my daughter came there and she was like,
"I think I'll be in the next one."

1399
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:43,120
And I was like, I was like, "Okay,
cool." Like, this is it's really neat

1400
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:44,400
thing to see. Um
so,

1401
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:47,840
» shows, though.
>> I I know. I know. Well, they said they

1402
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:52,400
told her if she could read, she could be
in this one. So, I said, "You got to do

1403
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:55,080
this one bucks cuz
Um

1404
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:57,800
But, yeah, really good job by everyone
involved. And kudos to everyone who got

1405
01:40:56,600 --> 01:41:01,400
it up and running and really put that
together. Something to be uh

1406
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:05,200
be proud of.
That's all.

1407
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:08,760
» And Kathleen, I'm just really proud of
Kevin Stackhouse and Frank Colangelo. I

1408
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:12,240
I think.
I'm sorry.

1409
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,560
» Your comments, ma'am.
>> Adrian?

1410
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:17,560
» Adrian.
>> I just want to thank the fire department

1411
01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:23,080
and the police. Uh we just had National
Night Out last night and last Thursday

1412
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:27,600
and this Tuesday, we had sprinkler
nights in the park. Uh I know my son

1413
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:31,440
loved it even though he took forever to
get changed and only went in there for

1414
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:35,320
about 5 seconds. So,
uh we greatly appreciate it. Um and then

1415
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:39,400
I mean, it was packed. It it's just
great to see that every single time we

1416
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:42,440
have it, it seems to get a little more
and more um

1417
01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:46,200
uh
packed. So, that that's great to see.

1418
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:50,600
So, thank you to the fire department,
public works, appreciate you, and also

1419
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:54,240
to the folks department.
>> Alan?

1420
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:54,240
» Nothing for me.

1421
01:41:54,800 --> 01:42:00,720
» Um for me,
yes, the parks were packed. I was

1422
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:06,520
totally amazed at how packed the parks
were um for both of those events.

1423
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:12,640
Um I also heard feedback that um the
kids' music was a hit, and if we could

1424
01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:16,640
do more than one of those in a summer
session, they would love to have that.

1425
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:22,360
Um
from Contra Costa Theatre in the Parks,

1426
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:27,720
um that cast and crew wanted to say
thank you to borough administration,

1427
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:32,840
borough council for supporting them in
putting together that show. Um

1428
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:40,240
we had a
very talented group of individuals that

1429
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:46,800
came from all over, locally and um afar
to actually perform, and um I think that

1430
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:54,040
all the feedback we got um has been
spectacular. We did four shows.

1431
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:58,240
Um we had over 100 people at each show.
I think the last show on Saturday, we

1432
01:42:56,520 --> 01:43:01,240
probably had almost 300 people. There
were people everywhere at that show as

1433
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:06,840
well.
Um and our looking forward The group is

1434
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:10,720
looking forward to continuing to um
host have us um host them as we move

1435
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:15,800
forward.
They're planning their winter one

1436
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:15,800
to come to us.

1437
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:22,800
» All right. Any public comment this
evening on anything? Come on, Bev.

1438
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:25,320
Okay. Tim,
Ed,

1439
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:30,000
Mark.
And then

1440
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:33,480
Sorry. You need You need All right.
>> Good evening, everyone. Thank you. Uh

1441
01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:36,720
Tim Beckel, resident of West Elm Street.
I wanted to come and speak about the

1442
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:40,520
Meckauer property, the people street
development.

1443
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:44,800
Uh I live nearby and what it cost us
with I'm very supportive of the project.

1444
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:50,040
I think it's great, you know, to add
housing, especially in that location,

1445
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:55,800
uh compared to recycling kind of
industrial use near housing, not great.

1446
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:59,440
So, uh very supportive of the project. I
do want to see move see it move forward.

1447
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:04,600
There are a couple of things that I
wanted to point out. Um there was some

1448
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:09,400
discussion earlier about removal of
trees and one of the things that I don't

1449
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:13,720
know you can appreciate from an overhead
drawing is that

1450
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:18,800
it sounds like it's only a few trees,
like five, six, seven trees, but these

1451
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:21,920
are like 70-ft tall trees.
Um

1452
01:44:19,480 --> 01:44:25,720
so, when you're talking about,
you know, mature root systems, the

1453
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:30,840
contribution to the canopy you don't
have enough of, you know, in certain

1454
01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:34,800
areas of the borough. Um
you know, it's going to take a long time

1455
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:36,760
if you're planting 26 trees or whatever
they said.

1456
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:39,920
Um
you know, it's going to take a long time

1457
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:44,240
to get that canopy back or you might not
because those are not going to grow to

1458
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:49,240
the same extent as these mature high
trees. Um and one other, you know,

1459
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:53,040
obviously, you know,
being part of the EAC, I care about that

1460
01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:56,680
in general, but I think given this area
of the borough, um

1461
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:59,800
they mentioned flooding issues. I'll
trace the pictures here in a second.

1462
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:03,440
Um
but you know, there are some severe

1463
01:45:01,440 --> 01:45:07,320
flooding issues and one of the things
that I don't know and I don't understand

1464
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:10,760
and I don't know enough about it if the
storm water

1465
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:15,040
issues were considered for the removal
of the trees from public lands and the

1466
01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:20,720
parties you know,
the painting added to the uh

1467
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:25,640
basically Kinsley's Field, part of that
park. You know, so they may say, "Okay,

1468
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:30,080
we've met we are improving storm water
on our property, the full of our

1469
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:35,600
property, but are we overall in the
aggregate contributing to the storm

1470
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:40,040
water or actually reducing it because of
what's happening in the public lands?

1471
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:43,320
Um and so
I'm going to pass pictures around if

1472
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:46,960
that's all right.
Thank you.

1473
01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:52,840
Um there's a couple copies. So, there's
severe flooding issues. So, this is a

1474
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:58,720
picture of my driveway, backyard, August
of 2021. Severe flooding. Um I think

1475
01:45:57,080 --> 01:46:00,920
at least a half a dozen cars were
totaled.

1476
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:06,120
Um
five to six residents had their houses

1477
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:08,440
flooded. Uh this is about a week or two
before Ida.

1478
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:11,360
Um
my wife was pregnant. It was eight

1479
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:15,640
months pregnant when this happened. This
was not ideal

1480
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:18,600
to say the least. Um
I wanted to thank

1481
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:23,120
the borough for, you know, I talked to
Ray at the time and

1482
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:27,240
there was a focus on it. So, I don't
want to say that nothing's going to be

1483
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:30,560
considered or looked at.
Um

1484
01:46:28,440 --> 01:46:35,040
September 1st, 2021, which I think is
Ida, happened, happened again. And I

1485
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:38,480
think what's happening in the
Again, not an expert. The storm water

1486
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:43,600
drain that's
next to Hansel's Folly Park either gets

1487
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:46,760
overwhelmed and, you know, backs up. I
don't know if it's actually backing up

1488
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:50,720
or if it's getting overwhelmed.
Um

1489
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:54,440
I forgot to put a label on this. This is
July of '23.

1490
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:58,360
Um
and then recently it's been a

1491
01:46:56,440 --> 01:47:00,840
couple times in the last
month or two.

1492
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:03,560
Um and these are all I just want to
point out, these are all flooding events

1493
01:47:02,160 --> 01:47:08,240
that for the most part have happened
during the day when I can actually get a

1494
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:12,080
picture. But basically any heavy rain
we're worried about it. Um

1495
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:15,680
you know, do I have to move my cars? I
you know, I have flood barriers at the

1496
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:18,920
back of my house. Do I have to put those
out? Um

1497
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:22,200
I think there was heavy rains a couple
nights ago. It's like 3:00 a.m. and

1498
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:25,680
we're like, do I have to I have to go
and and see if it's flooding.

1499
01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:28,920
Um I'm not the only resident that's
experiencing this.

1500
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:33,080
Um so, I don't want to say that this
project was, you know,

1501
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:35,440
going to make or break this situation,
but I wanted to bring it to your all's

1502
01:47:34,240 --> 01:47:38,040
attention
um

1503
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:41,800
and make sure that the project is not
making it worse. Hopefully, it'll help

1504
01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:46,200
the breeze a little bit and bring some
focus

1505
01:47:43,120 --> 01:47:46,200
uh to this issue.

1506
01:47:57,480 --> 01:48:03,280
» Ed?
>> Yeah, I live on Edgewood Ave.

1507
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:08,040
201 West Elm Street, Conshohocken.
Um just uh wanted to say thank you for

1508
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:12,320
the Widener Park, the pocket park down
there. Walk by it every couple times

1509
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:16,480
every day. It's really nice design
you've done there. The plantings, the

1510
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:19,280
trees, the benches. So, they improved
that park a lot. It was just a park

1511
01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:22,080
before.
Other thing is

1512
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:30,960
Uh
got to give props to the chief.

1513
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:35,800
Um he's a man of his word.
Couple months ago, I came asked about

1514
01:48:33,240 --> 01:48:39,760
flashing light on West Elm Street.
Nothing happened.

1515
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:44,320
Came back, asked again.
Nothing happened.

1516
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:48,080
2 weeks ago, before a meeting, I talked
to him for 4 minutes. I said, "Hey, can

1517
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:52,480
you look into it?"
8:00 the next morning, it's done.

1518
01:48:51,440 --> 01:48:57,000
Okay.
I don't know why the chief had to do it

1519
01:48:55,160 --> 01:49:00,760
because that was 4 months after I asked
you guys. "Want to be done now?"

1520
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:06,680
"We're going to look into it. We're
going to look into it."

1521
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:10,240
He does it. I mean, that's a man. He is
as they said about Jake Sullivan, he be

1522
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:14,400
a man.
That thing was done.

1523
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:17,640
Previously, you talked about um
parking issues.

1524
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:24,280
You're going to do the Main Street, the
Fayette Street revision.

1525
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:29,840
Um Goodwill is worth thousands,
thousands of dollars. Your budget shows

1526
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:33,200
that you make $120,000 in revenue for
the parking fines.

1527
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:37,800
Well,
probably have to pay the the

1528
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:43,040
individuals, parking enforcements, two
cars, two guys,

1529
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:48,600
$50,000 in salary,
car, two cars, maintenance,

1530
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:53,800
payments, insurance, gas, and another
10, 12,000. So, you're really netting

1531
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:58,920
about 60,000.
Go up and down Fayette Street, there's

1532
01:49:55,920 --> 01:50:03,640
no rhyme or reason
for the parking there.

1533
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:06,600
Literally, in front of your building,
there's no parking sign, there's no

1534
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:12,160
restrictions.
Across the street, 2 hours.

1535
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:17,160
In front of PNC and the church,
2 hours.

1536
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:23,160
Across the street, it's 1 hour time
limit, but you got to pay for that.

1537
01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:26,320
You go down in front of
the

1538
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:31,800
the bars,
three of the signs say 15-minute to-go

1539
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:36,080
parking. So, they're running in and out.
But you turn the corner

1540
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:41,560
on First Ave,
there's two signs there,

1541
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:46,240
but then two more parking spots, you got
to pay for 1 hour.

1542
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:50,520
There's no rhyme or reason.
Across the street, it right here on your

1543
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:54,600
side of the building,
it's I think 2 hours and 1 hour parking

1544
01:50:53,360 --> 01:51:00,440
free.
Next, across the street

1545
01:50:57,080 --> 01:51:05,320
at the deli, you got to pay.
But in front of the deli, you don't have

1546
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:08,160
to pay. On the side of the deli, you do.
Perhaps, and you probably guys have

1547
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:13,280
already thought about this over the
years,

1548
01:51:09,800 --> 01:51:17,440
free 2-hour parking.
I mean, when you do the new street

1549
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:22,200
configuration, just think of the
positive things that you're going to be

1550
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:26,880
able to say, work, play, eat, go to
school and free parking.

1551
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:29,920
Just something They're only getting 60
grand. It's not a lot of money. It's not

1552
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:33,000
going to make a difference in this
budget.

1553
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:37,960
But, it's a lot of goodwill that you'll
eventually get. Customers can come

1554
01:51:36,120 --> 01:51:40,440
for lunch and don't have to worry about
running out.

1555
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:43,240
So,
like I said, if it was consistent,

1556
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:47,760
that's one thing. But, it's really
inconsistent on

1557
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:49,480
Fayette up to Fifth Street. So, just
wanted to pass that on.

1558
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:52,360
» Thank you.
>> Thanks again, Chief.

1559
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:56,080
» Marla?

1560
01:51:56,720 --> 01:52:04,080
» Good evening. Marla 19 East 11th Avenue.
I By the way, I love this restaurant

1561
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:07,480
idea.
I

1562
01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:11,360
just wanted to say a comment on the data
center application limit. As you know,

1563
01:52:10,280 --> 01:52:14,800
I'm the vice chair of the zoning board
here in Conshohocken. I just want to

1564
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:19,240
comment on that application since it's
not here for me and in my capacity as a

1565
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:24,320
private citizen.
First of all, thank you to for all the

1566
01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:28,160
council for
approving

1567
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:30,920
the seating party status in that
application. I think it's really

1568
01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:36,680
important for the community
that our voices be heard and I'm sure my

1569
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:42,640
computers will do a great job.
I I just want to encourage council to

1570
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:47,360
oppose this application as much as you
possibly can. I've seen situations where

1571
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:49,960
parties
don't necessarily oppose the

1572
01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:54,360
application. They might accept
conditions. They might

1573
01:52:52,480 --> 01:52:56,960
They might be a settlement. And while I
realize there are a lot of hypotheticals

1574
01:52:55,720 --> 01:53:02,160
here and I don't know how the
applications are going to play out.

1575
01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:07,480
They've already rejected conditions that
were offered to them. And I'm just I'm

1576
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:13,120
concerned that they're going to try to
throw out a few conditions that won't

1577
01:53:09,480 --> 01:53:16,840
really protect the community and um that
we may back down because we're up

1578
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:21,440
against a very deep pocket here and I
think that's that's very dangerous.

1579
01:53:19,160 --> 01:53:26,880
So I was reading in the New York Times
that there are communities across the

1580
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:32,200
country that currently are suing data
centers because people's home properties

1581
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:36,960
have now been depreciated. They would
you know buy and nobody wants to live in

1582
01:53:34,920 --> 01:53:41,480
a community where
um their walls are shaking like they

1583
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:46,520
live in a nightclub 24 hours a day
or where the air is polluted. And I

1584
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:51,560
think that you know if that happened
here then a lot of people who live here,

1585
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:57,400
probably some of you as well, the most
important asset that they own is could

1586
01:53:54,440 --> 01:54:01,920
become depreciated and
then you're trapped. You can't leave and

1587
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:06,040
no one wants to buy your house and we've
basically watched the community 50 years

1588
01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:12,360
back uh to a time when people didn't
really want to come here. So that's

1589
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:13,640
basically what I wanted to urge tonight.
>> Thank you.

1590
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:18,120
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1591
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:18,120
We'll go

1592
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:22,520
Okay.
>> My name is Chester Davis. I'm from West

1593
01:54:21,160 --> 01:54:27,400
6th Avenue.
My first time I come to a meeting.

1594
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:31,560
My question is it seems the borough
purchased and did purchase that by and

1595
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:35,440
is by men.
What happened with that house that the

1596
01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:38,560
borough was going to update and let them
pay it?

1597
01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:43,520
I know I didn't hear anything. Did the
borough purchase that house next to the

1598
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:46,360
new firehouse property?
>> Yes, they did.

1599
01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:49,720
» Oh, you did. What did you do with it?
>> It's part of that complex.

1600
01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:50,920
» Making a beer?
>> Yes.

1601
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:54,560
» Ah.
That's going to be enormous.

1602
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:58,720
» It it helps with the turnaround for the
trucks. I think was the main reason.

1603
01:54:57,360 --> 01:55:03,600
» Yeah, the and some engineering
>> In that alleyway that is next to the A

1604
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:07,640
stadium.
Uh there's

1605
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:12,680
a garage back there basically and that
street itself is pretty narrow that us

1606
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:17,080
getting that would greatly help our
ability to move the trucks in and out of

1607
01:55:15,320 --> 01:55:19,920
that street.
>> Okay.

1608
01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:23,200
Can I ask my question?
>> Thank you for coming.

1609
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:26,800
» Come back anytime.
Our pleasure. Come back anytime.

1610
01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:29,680
» Okay. Thank you.
>> All right. Your turn.

1611
01:55:31,720 --> 01:55:39,360
» Uh my name is Jennifer Fields. I was
resident in Contra Costa 24 years but I

1612
01:55:37,160 --> 01:55:42,160
still have property here on the 200
block of

1613
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:47,800
uh East Elm.
So, we were part of the study that was

1614
01:55:45,320 --> 01:55:50,200
just completed for parking.
What I'll say is

1615
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:56,800
uh
in 2013 we purchased the property and we

1616
01:55:53,400 --> 01:56:02,680
went through about 3 and 1/2 months of
pretty heavy cleaning up, renovating,

1617
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:07,800
making the property livable.
Every day we were there, sometimes every

1618
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:11,480
night we were there, weekends,
uh mornings,

1619
01:56:09,640 --> 01:56:15,920
and
still go every week because we maintain

1620
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:21,440
the property and we take care of the
issues that come up and I'll just say

1621
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:26,520
that the findings of the study are
exactly my experience. So, that's that

1622
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:29,000
was really good. I was like, "Hey, I can
read that slide."

1623
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:32,880
Um
but there's a couple of things that I

1624
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:38,120
just like to share because when it first
rolled out, we had no idea why. We just

1625
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:42,080
got this thing, "Hey, everybody should
uh have permits." And we didn't have a

1626
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:45,880
reason why. So, I I thank you for
explaining

1627
01:56:43,720 --> 01:56:49,920
why we went through uh
the pilot there.

1628
01:56:47,800 --> 01:56:49,920
Um

1629
01:56:49,960 --> 01:56:56,520
A lot of questions came to my mind as it
was going on and so

1630
01:56:54,080 --> 01:57:00,320
I don't feel strongly one way or the
other.

1631
01:56:57,880 --> 01:57:04,520
As it rolls out forward, maybe we will
need it. Right now, I don't think we do,

1632
01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:10,000
but some of the issues that came to
mind, for example, um what about

1633
01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:13,800
non-resident property owners? What about
contractors, caretakers, health care

1634
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:18,600
providers, family and friends who come
to visit? What do we do with them if

1635
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:24,720
residents have parking passes and they
don't, and there's a potential for

1636
01:57:21,480 --> 01:57:27,680
uh tickets. And as Ed said, well, yeah,
we're not going to create a lot of

1637
01:57:25,800 --> 01:57:32,360
goodwill if you do that in the
neighborhood. Um

1638
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:36,560
Really, if we're going to deliver a
program like that, it should be without

1639
01:57:34,440 --> 01:57:40,280
cost or inconvenience to people who live
there.

1640
01:57:38,160 --> 01:57:44,880
There's always been ebb and flow of
parking down there. You've got lots of

1641
01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:50,280
visitors that come to the park, for
example. They come. Some people have

1642
01:57:47,160 --> 01:57:54,760
picnics there, basketball games. And
there's people who bring their kids in

1643
01:57:52,600 --> 01:57:58,680
minivans, and they offload, and they go
to the park. There's also a lot of

1644
01:57:56,160 --> 01:58:02,640
bikers and a lot of trail users, so
they'll show up at 8:00 in the morning

1645
01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:05,160
and offload their bike and go down to
the trail and just be there for a few

1646
01:58:04,160 --> 01:58:11,400
hours.
During the day, at least on the lower

1647
01:58:08,760 --> 01:58:15,760
uh 200 block, parking is never a
problem. The opposite side of the street

1648
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:19,040
has no houses. Find Remodeling, I think
used to be there. I don't know what the

1649
01:58:17,240 --> 01:58:22,400
status of that building is.
But if that changes,

1650
01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:26,480
we may need to have a conversation about
parking. But right now,

1651
01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:32,320
uh those statistics are right. 5:00 to
9:00, because there are restaurants,

1652
01:58:29,360 --> 01:58:39,880
um is really a little more work to find
a parking place, but I, in 10 years, 11,

1653
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:42,520
12, 13 years, haven't ever had a guest
uh

1654
01:58:40,720 --> 01:58:46,400
complain about parking. My brother lives
there full-time. He's never said, "I

1655
01:58:44,280 --> 01:58:52,080
have to park six blocks down."
It's never been an issue to find a spot.

1656
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:57,280
So, for our 200 block, I think that the
decision is to table it until there's an

1657
01:58:54,080 --> 01:59:01,000
actual issue that we can't figure out in
an easier way. Maybe

1658
01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:07,560
but I think in fact when the street was
closed for paving last year

1659
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:11,120
we all found parking wasn't wasn't a
a big deal.

1660
01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:15,120
Um so that's all I just wanted to share.
I I appreciate the conversation. I

1661
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:19,280
appreciate the study. It confirms
everything that I was already aware of

1662
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:23,800
and I hope you guys make a good decision
about that. Thank you.

1663
01:59:21,200 --> 01:59:23,800
» Thank you. Thank you.

1664
01:59:25,320 --> 01:59:29,960
» Anyone else in the audience for public
comments?

1665
01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:38,640
Brittany, I asked you if anything came
in but we're not necessarily

1666
01:59:35,960 --> 01:59:38,640
televising this.

1667
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:47,280
All right. So
we'll post our recording. We will do our

1668
01:59:45,120 --> 01:59:53,360
best with whatever recording we were
able to capture. Yes. It is not going to

1669
01:59:50,280 --> 01:59:55,800
be great quality and we will do our best
to post what we can.

1670
01:59:54,920 --> 02:00:00,080
» Okay.
>> Um I guess with that what I would say is

1671
01:59:58,160 --> 02:00:05,880
if there are additional questions about
topics on the agenda, please reach out

1672
02:00:02,720 --> 02:00:08,240
to either administration or your anyone
from council. You don't have to go to

1673
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:13,120
your council member if that's
uncomfortable. Anyone from council and

1674
02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:17,720
we will get you the answers that you
um need that you didn't get to see from

1675
02:00:15,160 --> 02:00:23,280
the live streaming.
Anyone else? Going once. Going twice.

1676
02:00:20,640 --> 02:00:27,240
This was a fruitful meeting today and I
am going to

1677
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:27,240
call it adjourned.