1 00:11:12,968 --> 00:11:14,468 >> Good evening mayor commissioners. 2 00:11:14,468 --> 00:11:17,351 My name is Karen Friedman and. 3 00:11:17,351 --> 00:11:21,559 I'm a senior planner with the Metropolitan organization. 4 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:26,479 I'm here tonight to give a presentation on the Cooper City 5 00:11:26,479 --> 00:11:27,775 Transportation Master Plan. 6 00:11:27,775 --> 00:11:31,145 Hopefully you can hear me as I'm bouncing back and forth 7 00:11:31,145 --> 00:11:33,887 between a laptop and the microphone. 8 00:11:33,887 --> 00:11:36,207 Is just a brief presentation. 9 00:11:36,207 --> 00:11:40,139 I'll tell you a little bit about what it is 10 00:11:40,139 --> 00:11:43,390 and what we do I'm to give you some information 11 00:11:43,390 --> 00:11:46,390 about the Transportation Master plan 12 00:11:46,490 --> 00:11:49,279 and then promote our online survey. 13 00:11:49,279 --> 00:11:55,585 So for those of you who are not as familiar with the Broward 14 00:11:55,585 --> 00:11:58,347 Planning Organization especially for members in the audience 15 00:11:58,347 --> 00:12:02,879 this evening we are a government agency separate 16 00:12:02,879 --> 00:12:04,879 from Broward County. 17 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:08,119 We have a federal mandate to do the long range 18 00:12:08,119 --> 00:12:11,655 regional transportation planning for Broward County. 19 00:12:11,655 --> 00:12:13,564 A lot of people know of us because we 20 00:12:13,564 --> 00:12:15,439 are responsible for planning and prioritizing 21 00:12:15,439 --> 00:12:18,905 the federal transportation dollars to be spent here 22 00:12:18,905 --> 00:12:22,287 in Broward County whether for a project in Port Everglades 23 00:12:22,287 --> 00:12:25,119 or a project in 95 or Sterling Road. 24 00:12:25,119 --> 00:12:28,950 In addition to our long range work 25 00:12:28,950 --> 00:12:30,999 we also offer direct technical assistance 26 00:12:30,999 --> 00:12:35,639 to the 31 municipalities and one of our direct technical 27 00:12:35,639 --> 00:12:38,639 assistance programs is the Transportation Master Plan 28 00:12:38,639 --> 00:12:40,785 Program and my name is Karen Friedman 29 00:12:40,785 --> 00:12:46,185 and I am the project manager for that program. 30 00:12:47,279 --> 00:12:50,621 So we work with one city at a time 31 00:12:50,621 --> 00:12:53,879 it takes about 18 months to do a transportation master 32 00:12:53,879 --> 00:12:55,959 plan with the city. 33 00:12:55,959 --> 00:13:00,759 The purpose is to have city staff help provide 34 00:13:00,759 --> 00:13:02,869 the technical assistance for them 35 00:13:02,869 --> 00:13:06,469 to identify transportation projects for roadways 36 00:13:08,519 --> 00:13:13,990 in the city the type of projects we would be recommending 37 00:13:13,990 --> 00:13:16,990 are those based on best practices for safety 38 00:13:16,990 --> 00:13:19,479 and complete streets and I always 39 00:13:19,479 --> 00:13:21,639 like to bring everyone's attention to the graphic 40 00:13:21,639 --> 00:13:25,399 in the center of the slide because what it's showing 41 00:13:25,399 --> 00:13:30,465 you is the impact of speed on a crash involving 42 00:13:30,465 --> 00:13:33,591 a pedestrian so that could be someone walking riding 43 00:13:33,591 --> 00:13:38,391 a bike or a scooter so likely 95% likelihood 44 00:13:41,567 --> 00:13:43,967 the pedestrian would survive. 45 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:53,279 It goes down to 55% and if that gets hit traveling 40mph 46 00:13:54,699 --> 00:13:59,639 the likelihood of survival is then at 15% so a lot 47 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:04,439 of our focus Is on good speed management. 48 00:14:09,390 --> 00:14:12,639 So they are technical assistance we 49 00:14:12,719 --> 00:14:15,527 offer cities includes everything from developing 50 00:14:15,527 --> 00:14:20,450 a vision in goals and objectives having conversations 51 00:14:20,450 --> 00:14:23,739 and meetings with critical stakeholders such as Broward 52 00:14:23,739 --> 00:14:26,439 County or the principles of local schools 53 00:14:26,439 --> 00:14:29,816 doing direct engagement with residents and community members 54 00:14:29,816 --> 00:14:34,879 but it's also a lot of technical work identifying a lot of heart 55 00:14:34,879 --> 00:14:37,353 and soft data including walking roadways 56 00:14:37,353 --> 00:14:38,895 and doing a lot of field observations 57 00:14:38,895 --> 00:14:42,859 so that we can actually see what's going on in the roads 58 00:14:42,859 --> 00:14:43,876 here in Cooper City. 59 00:14:43,876 --> 00:14:49,142 In the end the city will be provided a plan report 60 00:14:49,142 --> 00:14:51,409 with scopes of work and cost estimates 61 00:14:51,409 --> 00:14:52,567 for those six roadways. 62 00:14:52,567 --> 00:14:54,892 We want to best position cities to be 63 00:14:54,892 --> 00:14:57,769 able to move forward with having projects 64 00:14:57,769 --> 00:15:00,169 designed and then constructed. 65 00:15:01,959 --> 00:15:04,812 Not going to go through everything on this schedule 66 00:15:04,812 --> 00:15:06,459 but just to give you an idea of where 67 00:15:06,459 --> 00:15:08,636 we are in the process and some of the work 68 00:15:08,636 --> 00:15:10,719 we've already completed and how long we anticipate 69 00:15:10,719 --> 00:15:11,821 this effort to take. 70 00:15:11,821 --> 00:15:15,511 We kick this off in June with your staff. 71 00:15:15,511 --> 00:15:18,349 That being said we were out observing transportation 72 00:15:18,349 --> 00:15:21,159 related to the schools both in April and May 73 00:15:21,159 --> 00:15:23,967 getting out before schools before break. 74 00:15:23,967 --> 00:15:28,305 Since that time we've also had three conversations 75 00:15:28,305 --> 00:15:31,559 with the principals of local schools 76 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:37,719 having a meeting tomorrow to get a better idea of some 77 00:15:37,719 --> 00:15:40,119 of the related transportation. 78 00:15:40,679 --> 00:15:46,790 Everywhere where it says so we already have it 79 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:52,719 identified when we will be meeting with them. 80 00:15:52,719 --> 00:15:56,789 And we will wrap up this effort in September of 2027 81 00:15:56,789 --> 00:15:59,269 you may be wondering because I've 82 00:15:59,269 --> 00:16:02,869 referenced six roadways the answer is 83 00:16:02,929 --> 00:16:04,436 we don't know them yet. 84 00:16:04,436 --> 00:16:08,799 At this point we are involved with data collection identifying 85 00:16:08,799 --> 00:16:13,859 existing so our anticipation is those six roadways would 86 00:16:13,859 --> 00:16:16,919 be selected by your staff at the December meeting 87 00:16:16,919 --> 00:16:18,649 where it says plan Study area. 88 00:16:18,649 --> 00:16:22,919 As I said a lot of stakeholder and community engagement 89 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:27,719 and at this point we anticipate having presentations 90 00:16:27,985 --> 00:16:32,185 at City Commission meetings and ongoing stakeholder 91 00:16:35,439 --> 00:16:37,439 coordination. 92 00:16:38,439 --> 00:16:43,119 And one of the things I really want to approach is the online 93 00:16:43,119 --> 00:16:48,749 survey some fliers for it at the front door going to be active 94 00:16:48,749 --> 00:16:50,159 until October 1st. 95 00:16:50,159 --> 00:16:53,599 There's only 12 questions and to be honest only nine of them 96 00:16:53,599 --> 00:16:54,735 are substantive. 97 00:16:54,735 --> 00:16:58,687 Right now we have received over 350 responses which 98 00:16:58,687 --> 00:17:03,419 is pretty good but it's a great opportunity for residents 99 00:17:03,419 --> 00:17:07,949 and stakeholders to let us know their priorities and concerns 100 00:17:07,949 --> 00:17:11,960 so hopefully my ask here today is that you'll share it 101 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:12,679 with your networks as well as everyone 102 00:17:12,679 --> 00:17:15,679 in the audience gamma your neighbors, 103 00:17:15,679 --> 00:17:19,151 your congregation and what have you. 104 00:17:19,151 --> 00:17:21,375 It shouldn't take you less than ten minutes. 105 00:17:21,375 --> 00:17:24,462 There's a general comments question where you can write 106 00:17:24,462 --> 00:17:31,662 whatever you want and we do read every comment and with that 107 00:17:32,759 --> 00:17:38,119 at this point we are working with our city staff to select 108 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:43,999 a community meeting date in October and it will be likely 109 00:17:43,999 --> 00:17:47,590 the week of October 18th so we will bring the staff here 110 00:17:47,590 --> 00:17:50,143 to directly engage with residents in other community 111 00:17:50,143 --> 00:17:53,559 members so we can hear directly from them their concerns 112 00:17:53,559 --> 00:17:57,199 and priorities and will be meeting with city staff later 113 00:17:57,199 --> 00:18:00,119 this week to talk about the vision goals and objectives 114 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,119 and the other information here. 115 00:18:04,350 --> 00:18:08,465 So with that I want to thank you. 116 00:18:08,465 --> 00:18:11,600 This QR code will take you to the project website. 117 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,687 There's also a link to the survey on the project website. 118 00:18:14,687 --> 00:18:18,710 We also keep copies of every presentation 119 00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:20,551 so if you're interested to see what we talked about 120 00:18:20,551 --> 00:18:23,551 with the principal elementary school. 121 00:18:24,745 --> 00:18:28,579 If you want to see what I'm talking about with city staff 122 00:18:28,579 --> 00:18:30,583 that information is also there. 123 00:18:30,583 --> 00:18:33,583 So thank you very much. 124 00:18:40,664 --> 00:18:43,779 >> I know that the high school has been hitting your survey 125 00:18:43,779 --> 00:18:48,759 and putting it out so I just want to make sure that 126 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:53,212 our children are very precious to us and want to make sure that 127 00:18:53,212 --> 00:18:57,847 we're safe so I will be definitely making sure that they 128 00:18:57,847 --> 00:19:01,303 continue to push those out and you should get a fair amount 129 00:19:01,303 --> 00:19:03,303 of responses. 130 00:19:03,545 --> 00:19:06,790 >> We've seen a lot of general comments referencing 131 00:19:06,790 --> 00:19:08,479 Jeremiah's crosswalk so absolutely. 132 00:19:11,790 --> 00:19:13,819 Commissioner Mallozzi: Thank you for everything. 133 00:19:13,819 --> 00:19:15,439 We appreciate it. 134 00:19:15,439 --> 00:19:16,381 >> Happy to do it. 135 00:19:16,381 --> 00:19:18,781 Thank you very much. 136 00:19:22,877 --> 00:19:26,477 Mayor Curran: Pet adoption Commissioner Mallozzi: 137 00:19:30,158 --> 00:19:31,575 Mia's world changed in an instant. 138 00:19:31,575 --> 00:19:33,819 For two years this beautiful bully mixed breed 139 00:19:33,819 --> 00:19:35,959 had an owner she loved then sadly 140 00:19:35,959 --> 00:19:37,847 her beloved owner passed away. 141 00:19:37,847 --> 00:19:40,842 Through no fault of her own she found herself searching 142 00:19:40,842 --> 00:19:42,532 for a new place to call home. 143 00:19:42,532 --> 00:19:44,779 While her heart may have been broken 144 00:19:44,779 --> 00:19:47,479 she has not stopped believing in people. 145 00:19:47,479 --> 00:19:50,145 She is still the sweet loving girl she has always been 146 00:19:50,145 --> 00:19:52,496 and everyone who meets her can see just how 147 00:19:52,496 --> 00:19:54,229 much love she has to give. 148 00:19:54,229 --> 00:19:58,380 Mia previously lived with another dog and did it well. 149 00:19:58,380 --> 00:19:59,911 It is unknown how she is with cats 150 00:19:59,911 --> 00:20:01,807 since arriving at the Humane Society 151 00:20:01,807 --> 00:20:04,383 at Broward County volunteers have discovered 152 00:20:04,383 --> 00:20:07,103 that a true love bug she is. 153 00:20:07,103 --> 00:20:10,259 She is affectionate sweet and eager to connect with everyone 154 00:20:10,259 --> 00:20:11,159 she meets. 155 00:20:11,159 --> 00:20:13,559 Mia takes treats gently. 156 00:20:13,639 --> 00:20:16,459 Knows sit and even showed off her 157 00:20:16,459 --> 00:20:18,845 sit and stay skills before coming when called. 158 00:20:18,845 --> 00:20:21,335 She may come out of her kennel with lots of happy energy 159 00:20:21,335 --> 00:20:24,471 but she settles down quickly and is ready to spend time 160 00:20:24,471 --> 00:20:26,367 with her people. 161 00:20:26,367 --> 00:20:28,519 She loves to play fetch especially 162 00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:30,759 with the ball that squeaks. 163 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:33,201 Whoever adopts Mia will be adding a wonderful dog 164 00:20:33,201 --> 00:20:37,143 to their family to meet her or any other pet please 165 00:20:37,143 --> 00:20:39,543 visit humane broward.com. 166 00:20:40,865 --> 00:20:46,865 Thank Mayor Curran: We are on to the public speaking. 167 00:20:47,937 --> 00:20:49,465 Anyone who is here who would like 168 00:20:49,465 --> 00:20:52,412 to speak please sign one of these forms at the front table 169 00:20:52,412 --> 00:20:54,812 and step forward please. 170 00:21:09,765 --> 00:21:10,598 >> Good evening all. 171 00:21:10,598 --> 00:21:14,559 This is my first time doing this so if I screw up I'm sorry. 172 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:20,124 I did provide a picture of what I'm going to speak to . 173 00:21:20,124 --> 00:21:27,623 I live on 118th terrace and we have a neighbor on the block who 174 00:21:27,623 --> 00:21:30,230 painted his house black . 175 00:21:31,929 --> 00:21:33,221 It's not completed. 176 00:21:33,221 --> 00:21:36,100 There are areas where he has missed on the sides 177 00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:39,685 and all but the front appears to be totally done. 178 00:21:39,685 --> 00:21:44,719 In addition to the color of the house which we all 179 00:21:44,719 --> 00:21:47,787 object to because it doesn't fit in with the rest 180 00:21:47,787 --> 00:21:50,911 of the neighborhood he does not maintain 181 00:21:50,911 --> 00:21:53,209 his shrubbery or the trees. 182 00:21:53,209 --> 00:21:56,809 Occasionally he will cut the grass. 183 00:21:57,539 --> 00:22:01,434 Does not do anything with his sidewalk as the rest of us 184 00:22:01,434 --> 00:22:04,172 are all commanded to do and when we 185 00:22:04,172 --> 00:22:08,799 get the notice if we haven't already cleaned our sidewalks 186 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:10,799 it is completed. 187 00:22:12,150 --> 00:22:16,631 The people that we have approached regarding this issue 188 00:22:16,631 --> 00:22:19,381 have said nothing can be done. 189 00:22:19,381 --> 00:22:26,185 I'm here to ask you to consider some type of codes in regard 190 00:22:26,185 --> 00:22:28,185 to -- 191 00:22:30,354 --> 00:22:34,239 I don't know how to say it but color choice common maintenance 192 00:22:34,239 --> 00:22:37,983 of the home on the exterior and of course 193 00:22:37,983 --> 00:22:40,983 the shrubbery and other landscaping 194 00:22:41,179 --> 00:22:43,579 that surrounds the home. 195 00:22:43,911 --> 00:22:47,741 Essentially that is what we are asking 196 00:22:47,741 --> 00:22:50,639 for is give some consideration to these issues 197 00:22:50,639 --> 00:22:54,532 to help keep Cooper City a lovely place. 198 00:22:54,532 --> 00:22:57,865 Many of us have moved here because it 199 00:22:57,865 --> 00:23:00,612 was a pristine community and we would 200 00:23:00,612 --> 00:23:02,332 like to maintain it that way. 201 00:23:02,332 --> 00:23:04,732 Thank you very much. 202 00:23:04,945 --> 00:23:09,500 Does anyone have a question that I'd be able to answer? 203 00:23:09,500 --> 00:23:13,250 I see the picture has gone around. 204 00:23:19,607 --> 00:23:23,207 Commissioner Shrouder: Can we regulate color? 205 00:23:23,222 --> 00:23:25,639 >> There are certainly code provisions that speak to house 206 00:23:25,639 --> 00:23:29,839 maintenance and yard maintenance and sidewalk maintenance 207 00:23:29,979 --> 00:23:32,939 and the code enforcement staff is listening. 208 00:23:32,939 --> 00:23:36,419 As far as the color of houses that's 209 00:23:36,419 --> 00:23:39,419 more of a challenging issue. 210 00:23:43,420 --> 00:23:45,870 >> When you have an HOA they have better control. 211 00:23:45,870 --> 00:23:47,100 I don't want an HOA. 212 00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:53,631 I would just like my city to have some type of guidance 213 00:23:53,631 --> 00:23:57,695 in regards to the appearance of homes 214 00:23:57,695 --> 00:24:01,919 and that might mean that there are a few colors that are not 215 00:24:01,919 --> 00:24:02,831 appropriate. 216 00:24:02,831 --> 00:24:08,590 That's all we are asking for as a neighborhood is 217 00:24:08,590 --> 00:24:10,590 to please consider. 218 00:24:13,521 --> 00:24:15,271 Commissioner Mallozzi: We are not allowed. 219 00:24:15,271 --> 00:24:18,364 Unless you're in an HOA that has rules and guidelines that you 220 00:24:18,364 --> 00:24:20,213 purchase you agree to abide by them 221 00:24:20,213 --> 00:24:22,479 or another type of planned community 222 00:24:22,479 --> 00:24:24,651 that has some sort of guideline like 223 00:24:24,651 --> 00:24:30,510 that but where this house is it's a regular 224 00:24:31,790 --> 00:24:33,951 and people literally move in there because they 225 00:24:33,951 --> 00:24:36,139 want to paint their front door purple 226 00:24:36,139 --> 00:24:37,739 or paint their house purple. 227 00:24:37,739 --> 00:24:39,247 I'm not saying I agree or disagree 228 00:24:39,247 --> 00:24:41,419 but that's why they live there is 229 00:24:41,419 --> 00:24:48,619 because they don't want to abide by the rules of an HOA. 230 00:24:59,879 --> 00:25:03,327 So I don't see us being able to do anything. 231 00:25:03,327 --> 00:25:07,319 Will get >> But the grass we can address. 232 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:12,450 Commissioner Mallozzi: We can do the grass and sidewalk and trees 233 00:25:12,450 --> 00:25:15,750 but not a color because we will get sued and lose the lawsuit 234 00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:16,879 and the house is going to stay the same 235 00:25:16,879 --> 00:25:20,252 and it's just going to cost the city money. 236 00:25:20,252 --> 00:25:22,252 >> Okay. 237 00:25:22,959 --> 00:25:25,199 Commissioner Mallozzi: I'm sorry. 238 00:25:25,199 --> 00:25:25,949 >> I tried. 239 00:25:25,949 --> 00:25:29,790 I will go back and report to the neighbors. 240 00:25:29,790 --> 00:25:32,970 Commissioner Mallozzi: Our chief is now aware 241 00:25:32,970 --> 00:25:34,550 that there's issues with the sidewalk the trees 242 00:25:34,550 --> 00:25:36,550 and the shrubs. 243 00:25:36,385 --> 00:25:39,385 >> He never cleans the sidewalk. 244 00:25:39,549 --> 00:25:40,924 Commissioner Mallozzi: They'll go 245 00:25:40,924 --> 00:25:45,681 out there looking at that so if it's not up to par 246 00:25:45,681 --> 00:25:49,281 that will be taken care of. 247 00:25:50,719 --> 00:25:52,967 >> There's somebody in the mansions who has painted 248 00:25:52,967 --> 00:25:55,719 their house black and I'm sure the neighbors have are not happy 249 00:25:55,719 --> 00:25:57,459 with that either. 250 00:25:57,459 --> 00:25:59,459 It's completely black. 251 00:25:59,639 --> 00:26:01,145 It's horrible. 252 00:26:01,145 --> 00:26:03,145 My taste. 253 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,280 >> Out there, there's space between your houses. 254 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:14,800 Ours are one right on top of another. 255 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:17,532 Commissioner Shrouder: I live in your neighborhood. 256 00:26:17,532 --> 00:26:20,487 >> We have seen people coming on bikes and golf carts and cars 257 00:26:20,487 --> 00:26:23,985 also stopping and looking and laughing, 258 00:26:23,985 --> 00:26:27,585 literally laughing at what they're seeing. 259 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:29,913 Commissioner Shrouder: Hopefully it's primer 260 00:26:29,913 --> 00:26:32,359 and they haven't finished it. 261 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:32,999 >> Oh well. 262 00:26:32,999 --> 00:26:34,569 Thank you very much for listening. 263 00:26:34,569 --> 00:26:36,569 I appreciate it. 264 00:26:48,105 --> 00:26:48,872 >> Good evening. 265 00:26:48,872 --> 00:26:51,713 A couple of issues I want to speak on. 266 00:26:51,713 --> 00:26:54,459 I have some pictures that Jonathan 267 00:26:54,459 --> 00:26:58,309 is going to put up for me as soon as we get the chance. 268 00:26:58,309 --> 00:27:02,249 My discussion this evening is about our sidewalks. 269 00:27:02,249 --> 00:27:04,649 Our sidewalks are atrocious. 270 00:27:05,219 --> 00:27:10,515 Yesterday evening I drove two streets and not that one. 271 00:27:10,515 --> 00:27:13,494 That's my last one Jonathan. 272 00:27:13,494 --> 00:27:17,940 These sidewalks are just atrocious everywhere. 273 00:27:19,999 --> 00:27:22,599 This one here they grind it down. 274 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:25,371 You see the red paint where they're supposed to do something 275 00:27:25,371 --> 00:27:26,847 and they don't. 276 00:27:26,847 --> 00:27:29,209 They don't at all. 277 00:27:29,209 --> 00:27:32,332 The roots they just did this street 278 00:27:32,332 --> 00:27:34,191 and they didn't cut the roots back. 279 00:27:34,191 --> 00:27:35,983 They're going to go right under this street 280 00:27:35,983 --> 00:27:38,679 that they just paved brand new streets. 281 00:27:38,679 --> 00:27:40,407 And here's another one. 282 00:27:40,407 --> 00:27:42,407 A patchwork . 283 00:27:44,849 --> 00:27:45,839 Look at this. 284 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,755 It's just one after the other. 285 00:27:48,755 --> 00:27:51,559 This is around the block from me. 286 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:53,922 These are roots coming on the street. 287 00:27:53,922 --> 00:27:58,722 There's 20 pictures that I took yesterday within 20 minutes 288 00:28:00,511 --> 00:28:01,789 two blocks from here. 289 00:28:01,789 --> 00:28:06,790 I think our city manager has got his priorities wrong 290 00:28:06,790 --> 00:28:09,599 spending money on other projects instead of taking 291 00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:11,999 care of her infrastructure. 292 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,359 That's another sidewalk. 293 00:28:14,679 --> 00:28:16,799 People are tripping on them. 294 00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:19,125 Every morning and every evening. 295 00:28:19,125 --> 00:28:24,189 I'm a retired guy and I drive my golf cart with my dogs 296 00:28:24,189 --> 00:28:26,263 every evening and this is what I see. 297 00:28:26,263 --> 00:28:27,749 There's another one. 298 00:28:27,749 --> 00:28:33,950 Instead of putting budgets on pavers around the school we 299 00:28:33,950 --> 00:28:37,730 should do something with -- look at this. 300 00:28:37,730 --> 00:28:38,975 That's a person that doesn't even 301 00:28:38,975 --> 00:28:41,609 have a sidewalk in front of their house. 302 00:28:41,609 --> 00:28:43,609 That's right there. 303 00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:45,992 That's a block from here. 304 00:28:45,992 --> 00:28:48,219 This is one six months ago they painted 305 00:28:48,219 --> 00:28:50,520 that they were going to do something with it 306 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:51,679 and it's still there. 307 00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:54,145 I don't understand where the budgets are going 308 00:28:54,145 --> 00:28:59,545 and what we are doing but this is crazy. 309 00:29:01,479 --> 00:29:06,500 If you want comment I will take you on my golf cart 310 00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:07,839 and ride you two blocks from here. 311 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:10,759 I don't have addresses but they're everywhere. 312 00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:16,390 So then this sign Mr. Manager can you explain this sign to me 313 00:29:16,390 --> 00:29:18,390 please? 314 00:29:22,679 --> 00:29:25,495 I'm running out of time. 315 00:29:25,495 --> 00:29:27,439 Hurry up. 316 00:29:27,439 --> 00:29:30,439 >> I'm trying to read it. 317 00:29:31,650 --> 00:29:32,692 >> Tell me what it means. 318 00:29:32,692 --> 00:29:35,579 >> It means not one hour before and one hour after the school 319 00:29:35,579 --> 00:29:39,499 drop off or pick up times you're not allowed to park or stand 320 00:29:39,499 --> 00:29:41,499 in the area. 321 00:29:42,879 --> 00:29:44,589 >> That's ridiculous. 322 00:29:44,589 --> 00:29:49,390 Every day between 8 and 9:00 in the morning that street fills up 323 00:29:49,390 --> 00:29:53,543 with cars of people dropping off three and four year old kids 324 00:29:53,543 --> 00:29:54,899 to the elementary school. 325 00:29:54,899 --> 00:29:59,212 The only people who park there every day is the teachers. 326 00:29:59,212 --> 00:30:03,439 Not one person parks there and in the afternoon the same thing 327 00:30:03,439 --> 00:30:08,839 between 2 and 3:00 they come and pick up their kids. 328 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:11,679 That's a ridiculous sign. 329 00:30:12,385 --> 00:30:13,796 >> What would you propose? 330 00:30:13,796 --> 00:30:15,829 We have a school where hundreds of kids go? 331 00:30:15,829 --> 00:30:17,499 What would you propose we do? 332 00:30:17,499 --> 00:30:19,583 If we don't have that sign the police department 333 00:30:19,583 --> 00:30:21,919 does not have the ability to tell them to move along. 334 00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:25,466 If they're in the car drop off -- 335 00:30:25,466 --> 00:30:26,231 I know. 336 00:30:26,231 --> 00:30:28,659 I go there every morning. 337 00:30:28,659 --> 00:30:32,112 If they're in the car drop off line what would 338 00:30:32,112 --> 00:30:33,525 you propose we do? 339 00:30:33,525 --> 00:30:35,659 Take a helicopter and drop them off? 340 00:30:35,659 --> 00:30:38,759 Just tell us because you've got a lot of complaints 341 00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:40,879 but what are the solutions? 342 00:30:40,879 --> 00:30:44,399 You want us to redo sidewalks throughout the entire city. 343 00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:45,135 That's absurd. 344 00:30:45,135 --> 00:30:47,535 It would be $100 million. 345 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:49,751 >> Here's another one. 346 00:30:49,751 --> 00:30:53,400 They just paved all the way around a school. 347 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,250 >> Because the amount of people that go there is more than this 348 00:30:56,250 --> 00:30:57,479 specific thing. 349 00:30:57,479 --> 00:30:58,836 >> Let me finish sir. 350 00:30:58,836 --> 00:31:02,511 So now they're paving the back road all the way around. 351 00:31:02,511 --> 00:31:07,311 My understanding is And two of those streets. 352 00:31:17,739 --> 00:31:20,239 Commissioner Shrouder: They wanted to pave around the school 353 00:31:20,239 --> 00:31:22,452 before the school started. 354 00:31:22,452 --> 00:31:26,739 >> What I'm saying is why jump from this neighborhood 355 00:31:26,739 --> 00:31:31,539 to another neighborhood when they're already here working? 356 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:35,790 Commissioner Shrouder: We did a pavement study that came up with 357 00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:39,359 wet pavement needed to be prepared most and then -- 358 00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:40,175 that's what we did. 359 00:31:40,175 --> 00:31:42,633 We paid somebody and I don't know if they made it up or not 360 00:31:42,633 --> 00:31:45,839 but they gave us a thing red yellow green 361 00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:50,390 and implemented it based off of that. 362 00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:53,196 That got hit the most and the least. 363 00:31:53,196 --> 00:31:57,129 We can't get rid of all the trees. 364 00:31:57,129 --> 00:31:59,129 That's not realistic. 365 00:31:59,336 --> 00:31:59,836 >> No. 366 00:31:59,836 --> 00:32:02,145 I love the canopy of the trees in this neighborhood. 367 00:32:02,145 --> 00:32:04,145 It's beautiful. 368 00:32:05,362 --> 00:32:07,279 Commissioner Shrouder: So just think about it. 369 00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:09,947 We try to shave it down and we don't get sued. 370 00:32:09,947 --> 00:32:13,559 And then they try to add up in one area 371 00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:16,227 so that when the cement truck comes and does it 372 00:32:16,227 --> 00:32:19,101 we don't have to pay as much but they 373 00:32:19,101 --> 00:32:23,159 can't go spot treat so to say. 374 00:32:23,159 --> 00:32:25,759 >> What I'm getting at is when you target a neighborhood 375 00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:27,399 complete the neighborhood. 376 00:32:27,399 --> 00:32:31,359 Don't jump from one section of the neighborhood to another. 377 00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:34,159 If you start in a neighborhood finish that job 378 00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:36,559 all the way through. 379 00:32:38,919 --> 00:32:40,945 Commissioner Mallozzi: Can I interrupt? 380 00:32:40,945 --> 00:32:43,855 What happened around the school is it such a high traffic area. 381 00:32:43,855 --> 00:32:44,792 Let me finish. 382 00:32:44,792 --> 00:32:47,879 They took it out of turn to get that area done 383 00:32:47,879 --> 00:32:51,719 but now the problem is you can't go to the areas around it 384 00:32:51,719 --> 00:32:55,207 because all of the cars that are going to and from the school 385 00:32:55,207 --> 00:33:02,407 are on those streets and am I right or am I wrong? 386 00:33:07,126 --> 00:33:09,543 >> We are coming back and doing all of these neighborhoods 387 00:33:09,543 --> 00:33:10,823 in the next few years. 388 00:33:10,823 --> 00:33:16,823 But our paving budget and they only go so far. 389 00:33:17,739 --> 00:33:23,139 So to Do basically west of because we've got 390 00:33:28,689 --> 00:33:32,889 to do a little bit every year. 391 00:33:35,399 --> 00:33:38,479 In the order they were ranked based on the condition 392 00:33:38,479 --> 00:33:40,479 of the pavement. 393 00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:47,519 We are 20 years behind. 394 00:33:49,212 --> 00:33:50,825 >> I don't think you were there then. 395 00:33:50,825 --> 00:33:51,705 I don't know. 396 00:33:51,705 --> 00:33:54,312 I just want to express my citizens concern. 397 00:33:54,312 --> 00:34:00,912 Thank you for listening to me and have a great evening. 398 00:34:15,935 --> 00:34:20,731 >> Is there a intent for there to be a debate between committee 399 00:34:20,731 --> 00:34:21,955 and resident? 400 00:34:21,955 --> 00:34:25,463 I know there are residents asking for questions and closure 401 00:34:25,463 --> 00:34:28,412 but I don't believe that that's what this process is supposed 402 00:34:28,412 --> 00:34:30,382 to be inherently about. 403 00:34:30,382 --> 00:34:34,235 So I know it's to give them the opportunity to speak. 404 00:34:34,235 --> 00:34:36,210 I take notes like I'm sure many of you 405 00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:37,710 do but I don't know if it's supposed 406 00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:38,799 to have that dialog piece. 407 00:34:38,799 --> 00:34:40,623 I just want to make sure I'm following 408 00:34:40,623 --> 00:34:44,223 the rules of engagement with that. 409 00:34:45,754 --> 00:34:47,462 >> intent of public comment is just that. 410 00:34:47,462 --> 00:34:49,139 For your constituents and residents 411 00:34:49,139 --> 00:34:52,579 to always speak to the Commission about any item 412 00:34:52,579 --> 00:34:56,119 on the agenda or any item that might be pertinent to them. 413 00:34:56,119 --> 00:35:00,919 To the extent that your residents ask questions 414 00:35:01,490 --> 00:35:03,850 from time to time the Commission works 415 00:35:03,850 --> 00:35:05,311 very hard to respond to those questions 416 00:35:05,311 --> 00:35:08,107 but there's a legal requirement to have 417 00:35:08,107 --> 00:35:12,639 the dialog back and forth with anyone at the podium. 418 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,159 Commissioner Smith: I appreciate that. 419 00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:16,727 There's been many times I've wanted 420 00:35:16,727 --> 00:35:18,552 to respond or answer or help. 421 00:35:18,552 --> 00:35:23,695 I just don't know is it going to be case by case? 422 00:35:23,695 --> 00:35:26,153 >> I just usually ask if there's anyone that wants to speak 423 00:35:26,153 --> 00:35:28,631 on the item and give you a chance because someone may have 424 00:35:28,631 --> 00:35:33,431 inside information or be aware of the problem. 425 00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:50,279 You've got to go to the microphone. 426 00:35:51,390 --> 00:35:53,500 >> Thank you for seeing me today. 427 00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:56,559 My name is doctor Amy Romanus. 428 00:35:56,559 --> 00:36:03,759 My brother died July 1st last year and I inherited his house. 429 00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:12,639 Thank you for meeting with me. 430 00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:16,839 So I have a question I guess. 431 00:36:18,759 --> 00:36:22,679 There is a young man and his girlfriend who 432 00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:26,407 lives with his mom that lives across the street 433 00:36:26,407 --> 00:36:32,239 from this house I inherited and they have seven vehicles. 434 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:38,839 So they park two in the front come apparently the house 435 00:36:38,903 --> 00:36:45,503 next door is totally abandoned and has been abandoned for years 436 00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:47,772 so I've been told. 437 00:36:47,772 --> 00:36:49,772 I wouldn't know. 438 00:36:50,919 --> 00:36:56,319 They parked three cars there and two one -- 439 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,959 it kind of looks like a used car parking lot 440 00:37:03,959 --> 00:37:07,130 and I did speak to the code enforcement man 441 00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:10,143 and he said as long as you're not 442 00:37:10,143 --> 00:37:15,959 parking on your property which they do you shouldn't have 443 00:37:15,959 --> 00:37:19,223 a problem so that's one issue. 444 00:37:19,223 --> 00:37:21,684 The second issue that I have and I'm 445 00:37:21,684 --> 00:37:24,855 so sorry that he wasn't able to download these pictures 446 00:37:24,855 --> 00:37:28,455 so I want to present them. 447 00:37:39,385 --> 00:37:41,385 [Indistinct] 448 00:37:43,799 --> 00:37:52,159 And this is what I look at every day when I sit on my back porch. 449 00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:56,959 Also there is a smell that is horrible . 450 00:38:04,803 --> 00:38:06,803 [Indistinct] 451 00:38:22,767 --> 00:38:25,207 Mayor Curran: When you get done can you 452 00:38:25,207 --> 00:38:27,607 the gentleman gentleman there? 453 00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:45,559 A 454 00:38:45,612 --> 00:38:47,612 >> I'm okay. 455 00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:53,839 I'm sorry. 456 00:38:56,199 --> 00:38:59,279 Mayor Curran: You're fine Miss Amy. 457 00:38:59,279 --> 00:39:02,679 >> Can we get the address of that house? 458 00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:04,104 >> Where do I go? 459 00:39:04,104 --> 00:39:05,599 That was it. 460 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:09,287 And thank you very much for your time. 461 00:39:09,287 --> 00:39:14,599 Also are you allowed to plant flowers on your swale? 462 00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:16,599 You are? 463 00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:25,159 Is that true? 464 00:39:27,879 --> 00:39:30,172 Commissioner Shrouder: There are certain things you can 465 00:39:30,172 --> 00:39:31,255 and can't. 466 00:39:31,255 --> 00:39:38,455 Jason, would you tell her which ones you could and can't plant? 467 00:39:39,250 --> 00:39:43,175 >> Off the record he can meet with her. 468 00:39:43,175 --> 00:39:44,717 Commissioner Shrouder: Straight back. 469 00:39:44,717 --> 00:39:49,517 He's the zoning person and can tell you. 470 00:40:14,807 --> 00:40:15,307 >> Hello. 471 00:40:15,307 --> 00:40:15,945 Just want to say thank you. 472 00:40:15,945 --> 00:40:17,816 I reached out to some of you guys. 473 00:40:17,816 --> 00:40:20,679 I did some tree trimming and code 474 00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:23,790 enforcement didn't bother me. 475 00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:27,390 Mayor Curran: It wasn't because of anything I did. 476 00:40:27,390 --> 00:40:30,119 >> I just wanted to say thank you for responding back to me. 477 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:34,559 I don't know the process of how I could bring it up to the city 478 00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:41,759 making or proposing a change so on the corner of southwest 51st 479 00:40:41,916 --> 00:40:43,916 Street and 95th. 480 00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:49,900 That's a corner with a stop sign everybody just flies 481 00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:50,710 through there. 482 00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:53,732 There's kids in every single house around that stop sign. 483 00:40:53,732 --> 00:40:55,239 Everybody's playing outside. 484 00:40:55,239 --> 00:41:00,639 Since I've been there 11 years there's been four accidents. 485 00:41:00,659 --> 00:41:05,239 Fire rescue taking people in stretchers and everything 486 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:10,152 there's like 20 and Fire Rescue had to take people in stretchers 487 00:41:10,152 --> 00:41:13,970 and one car ran over another car and that 488 00:41:13,970 --> 00:41:14,604 was all the neighbors trying to help 489 00:41:14,604 --> 00:41:19,679 get the car off the other one and a big whole ordeal. 490 00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:24,900 I saw you guys put speed bumps on 52nd which was nice. 491 00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:26,219 Is there any way maybe in the future 492 00:41:26,219 --> 00:41:30,152 to put a small speed bump just in that corner 493 00:41:30,152 --> 00:41:32,499 there Of that corner? 494 00:41:32,499 --> 00:41:34,499 51st. 495 00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:38,740 95th Street. 496 00:41:38,740 --> 00:41:44,679 Fire Rescue had to take a guy out on -- 497 00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:47,760 Commissioner Shrouder: I believe it or not. 498 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,679 Traffic calming things are all sorts of crazy rules. 499 00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:55,479 If you give the location to Mr. Clark 500 00:41:56,705 --> 00:42:01,821 he could look because we have areas we want to put it 501 00:42:01,821 --> 00:42:05,225 and it's got to be so many feet from this and that 502 00:42:05,225 --> 00:42:08,225 and Broward County regulates it. 503 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,120 >> It's not Cooper City then. 504 00:42:13,479 --> 00:42:16,439 Mayor Curran: We pay for it. 505 00:42:16,439 --> 00:42:18,759 We don't get to pick where they go though. 506 00:42:18,759 --> 00:42:23,104 >> I tell guys to slow down and they like to send me to you know 507 00:42:23,104 --> 00:42:23,604 where. 508 00:42:23,604 --> 00:42:26,959 I like to tell them to slow down because there's kids. 509 00:42:26,959 --> 00:42:31,799 All the neighbors there are trying to avoid problems. 510 00:42:31,799 --> 00:42:33,399 Commissioner Shrouder: We are trying 511 00:42:33,399 --> 00:42:35,319 to slow down the traffic on hiatus 512 00:42:35,319 --> 00:42:37,505 in Broward County won't even let us do that. 513 00:42:37,505 --> 00:42:40,419 Just going to do it ourself maybe. 514 00:42:40,419 --> 00:42:42,419 It's crazy rules. 515 00:42:51,473 --> 00:42:52,560 >> Let's roll. 516 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:52,599 Good evening. 517 00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,250 Your consent agenda is items four five 518 00:42:55,250 --> 00:42:58,250 and six for your consideration. 519 00:43:01,610 --> 00:43:04,610 Mayor Curran: Motion to approve? 520 00:43:05,319 --> 00:43:07,319 Need a second. 521 00:43:09,959 --> 00:43:12,959 >> Item four and five mayor. 522 00:43:17,892 --> 00:43:19,892 [Reading names] 523 00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:27,432 >> Item six for the record is a motion to approve. 524 00:43:27,432 --> 00:43:28,919 The item is for the formal approval 525 00:43:28,919 --> 00:43:31,799 as a quasi judicial advertised item for the executed 526 00:43:31,799 --> 00:43:34,119 stipulated agreement for Red Apple Cooper City 527 00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:36,839 LLC and the Renaissance Charter School. 528 00:43:36,839 --> 00:43:39,679 This was approved by the Commission in its existing form 529 00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:44,479 as you'll recall on the July 21st 2026 meeting. 530 00:43:49,919 --> 00:43:54,719 There has been no substantive changes previously approved. 531 00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:00,599 Mayor Curran: Any discussion? 532 00:44:03,279 --> 00:44:05,279 Call the vote. 533 00:44:18,472 --> 00:44:21,550 >> I do have one item on that but from the Renaissance charter 534 00:44:21,550 --> 00:44:23,604 schools here just want the record to reflect that we have 535 00:44:23,604 --> 00:44:25,679 had some communication from the school. 536 00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:27,959 Last week the Broward County School Board 537 00:44:27,959 --> 00:44:30,119 did approve an agreement for the school 538 00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:32,605 and currently have an SRO through the county 539 00:44:32,605 --> 00:44:33,959 at the location. 540 00:44:33,959 --> 00:44:37,399 There's a little bit of overlap in the context of transition 541 00:44:37,399 --> 00:44:39,879 that the school is paying for although we do 542 00:44:39,879 --> 00:44:41,905 anticipate phasing out the city's SRO 543 00:44:41,905 --> 00:44:45,799 and they will take over that responsibility in its entirety. 544 00:44:45,799 --> 00:44:48,231 I request pending for Broward County 545 00:44:48,231 --> 00:44:52,950 to speak to the redirection of traffic as we talked about 546 00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:54,379 and sending a letter of support consistent 547 00:44:54,379 --> 00:44:56,503 with the prior direction hoping to get 548 00:44:56,503 --> 00:44:59,439 some traction from the county in the near future on that issue 549 00:44:59,439 --> 00:45:03,719 and also have some confirmation from the school that 550 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:09,119 is hooked up to the real time crime Center. 551 00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:11,852 Commissioner Mallozzi: Which one is Mr. Harland? 552 00:45:11,852 --> 00:45:14,252 I love your mom. 553 00:45:14,799 --> 00:45:17,932 >> Item seven under your regular agenda is a request to add 554 00:45:17,932 --> 00:45:22,699 additional expenditure authority in the amount of $429,735 under 555 00:45:22,699 --> 00:45:28,990 contract 3341 awarded to train us for Hvac product installation 556 00:45:28,739 --> 00:45:34,139 and labor based solutions and related products and services. 557 00:45:40,724 --> 00:45:43,724 Mayor Curran: Need a motion. 558 00:45:45,839 --> 00:45:47,839 Discussion? 559 00:45:54,529 --> 00:45:57,112 Commissioner Shrouder: I just had a couple of questions on it. 560 00:45:57,112 --> 00:45:59,459 I just emailed the manager but you probably 561 00:45:59,459 --> 00:46:00,359 didn't have a chance. 562 00:46:00,359 --> 00:46:02,759 Did you get that? 563 00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:09,679 I just want to make sure on some of the contract things 564 00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:16,263 because it also said on the price that they could increase 565 00:46:16,263 --> 00:46:18,663 the price so -- 566 00:46:29,283 --> 00:46:31,683 >> The terms are consistent. 567 00:46:34,838 --> 00:46:37,732 Commissioner Shrouder: So they reserve the right to -- 568 00:46:37,732 --> 00:46:41,759 any other event beyond control with equitable distribution 569 00:46:41,759 --> 00:46:47,159 adjustments and no event will the prices be decreased . 570 00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:53,229 It also says that their terms control over the city's purchase 571 00:46:53,229 --> 00:46:54,969 order terms. 572 00:46:54,969 --> 00:47:00,919 There's just a couple of things in there and the risk of loss is 573 00:47:00,919 --> 00:47:06,319 on us so we are paying 80% of the thing . 574 00:47:13,246 --> 00:47:18,646 >> Those are the terms of the agreement as well. 575 00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:22,130 >> This is pretty standard . 576 00:47:22,485 --> 00:47:25,485 Kind of guided by that. 577 00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:27,445 Commissioner Shrouder: I'm not sure 578 00:47:27,445 --> 00:47:31,645 if we liked the other person's terms. 579 00:47:32,666 --> 00:47:34,999 >> Any new terms that are getting posed those can change 580 00:47:34,999 --> 00:47:42,199 at any moment but everything else is not very risky at this 581 00:47:43,423 --> 00:47:45,790 point. 582 00:47:45,790 --> 00:47:48,559 What's the timetable as to when they're going 583 00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:50,959 to deliver this equipment? 584 00:47:59,750 --> 00:48:01,325 >> We haven't had the definitive timetable but as soon 585 00:48:01,325 --> 00:48:06,125 as possible once we get the commission approval. 586 00:48:13,695 --> 00:48:15,570 Commissioner Shrouder: If you're okay with it 587 00:48:15,570 --> 00:48:17,799 I'm just pointing it out. 588 00:48:17,799 --> 00:48:21,759 >> We are fine with the accommodations or. 589 00:48:21,759 --> 00:48:24,679 Commissioner Shrouder: If we pay for 80% of it and it 590 00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:30,790 doesn't show up or it burns in the factory . 591 00:48:36,301 --> 00:48:38,701 I'm okay with it. 592 00:48:58,286 --> 00:48:59,869 Commissioner Smith: I have a question. 593 00:48:59,869 --> 00:49:04,759 Through the city manager if I'm correct on this 594 00:49:04,759 --> 00:49:08,359 you are preparing for capital expenditures 595 00:49:08,629 --> 00:49:14,629 and this was expected and that's why it was budgeted. 596 00:49:16,904 --> 00:49:19,279 >> The only reason we have not pulled the trigger on this 597 00:49:19,279 --> 00:49:22,539 before is we are waiting for the outcome of the Public safety 598 00:49:22,539 --> 00:49:30,339 facility recommending that it will stay at it as it is this is 599 00:49:32,892 --> 00:49:36,985 one of the upgrades and they are going to be electrical 600 00:49:36,985 --> 00:49:40,809 and plumbing upgrades in the future but that is just 601 00:49:40,809 --> 00:49:43,209 to maintain the facility. 602 00:49:44,919 --> 00:49:48,850 Commissioner Smith: And based on the budget 603 00:49:48,850 --> 00:49:53,905 we have slated we are under by half of what our budget was. 604 00:49:53,905 --> 00:49:59,159 >> The budget includes some upgrades also here in this 605 00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:03,359 building and the community center as well. 606 00:50:08,715 --> 00:50:11,316 Commissioner Smith: That's all I have. 607 00:50:11,316 --> 00:50:13,316 Thank you. 608 00:50:13,728 --> 00:50:15,728 [Reading names] 609 00:50:21,921 --> 00:50:24,296 >> Item eight is a motion to approve the Citywide medical 610 00:50:24,296 --> 00:50:30,296 insurance renewal plan for 2026 and 2027 with Benecon per the HR 611 00:50:31,305 --> 00:50:33,305 department. 612 00:50:33,879 --> 00:50:36,879 Mayor Curran: HR go ahead. 613 00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:39,219 >> Good evening. 614 00:50:39,219 --> 00:50:44,379 As the staff report indicates we are making a recommendation 615 00:50:44,379 --> 00:50:47,979 for motion to approve the renewal 616 00:50:49,759 --> 00:50:54,559 of the insurance for employees with Benecon UnitedHealthCare. 617 00:51:06,959 --> 00:51:13,559 And hear from the insurance company we have Shauna and Mark 618 00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:22,960 and they will be able to answer your questions. 619 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,960 Benecon is new. 620 00:51:24,894 --> 00:51:29,694 It is a pool of municipalities in Florida 621 00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:36,390 and because they're small they have formed a consortium I 622 00:51:42,450 --> 00:51:44,445 guess for buying power. 623 00:51:45,592 --> 00:51:49,103 As being small is more difficult for us 624 00:51:49,103 --> 00:51:53,903 to get insurance coverage at a reasonable price. 625 00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:56,659 Joining this pool of municipalities 626 00:51:56,659 --> 00:51:58,692 will allow the City of Cooper City 627 00:51:58,692 --> 00:52:02,119 to reduce the price of quality health 628 00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,239 insurance for the employees. 629 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:09,390 There is a presentation that Shauna and Mark 630 00:52:09,369 --> 00:52:16,569 have to share with us and ask them whatever questions come up. 631 00:52:24,607 --> 00:52:26,649 Mayor Curran: Go ahead and roll your presentation 632 00:52:26,649 --> 00:52:29,649 and we'll ask you questions. 633 00:52:29,879 --> 00:52:32,172 >> Before we came to the solution we did print out 634 00:52:32,172 --> 00:52:35,859 your medical insurance to bid to the market after we evaluated 635 00:52:35,859 --> 00:52:42,197 the results that came back it was very clear that the Benecon 636 00:52:42,197 --> 00:52:45,569 solution was the most comparable to the benefits that the city 637 00:52:45,569 --> 00:52:48,895 would like to have and also the most competitive in terms 638 00:52:48,895 --> 00:52:49,859 of the pricing. 639 00:52:49,859 --> 00:52:53,364 So as it stands as you recall last year 640 00:52:53,364 --> 00:52:59,364 we had to make the unenviable choice of changing carriers. 641 00:52:59,499 --> 00:53:05,499 We have UnitedHealthCare with FMC because of a huge increase 642 00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:08,429 that you experienced that year we ended up 643 00:53:08,429 --> 00:53:12,269 having to switch to Florida Blue because there was 644 00:53:12,269 --> 00:53:15,690 significant savings in making that switch and at the time 645 00:53:15,690 --> 00:53:18,551 we knew there were going to be some challenges due to issues 646 00:53:18,551 --> 00:53:21,659 with the Florida Blue network and their negotiations 647 00:53:21,659 --> 00:53:24,719 with local hospital systems that ended up 648 00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,919 dropping out of the network. 649 00:53:26,919 --> 00:53:30,753 That was kind of the Bandaid we had at the time. 650 00:53:30,753 --> 00:53:35,416 Since that's happened we have been acquired by Brown and Brown 651 00:53:35,416 --> 00:53:40,299 and we are able to now bring you this solution which is 652 00:53:40,299 --> 00:53:42,299 administered by . 653 00:53:46,399 --> 00:53:49,189 It's a municipal pool very similar to FM I Te. 654 00:53:49,189 --> 00:53:52,109 The actual name of the pool is the Florida Government Health 655 00:53:52,109 --> 00:53:58,215 Care Solutions Pool but it is the administrator of this pool. 656 00:53:58,215 --> 00:54:02,635 So think of what you had with FM I t with UnitedHealthCare 657 00:54:02,635 --> 00:54:04,520 as your carrier. 658 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,852 This is the same exact solution pretty much. 659 00:54:09,479 --> 00:54:12,799 It's a pooled solution of municipalities public sector 660 00:54:12,799 --> 00:54:13,452 entities. 661 00:54:13,452 --> 00:54:16,147 They use UnitedHealthCare as their carrier 662 00:54:16,147 --> 00:54:18,899 so if you were to go to this solution 663 00:54:18,899 --> 00:54:23,879 you would have the same carrier that you previously had 664 00:54:23,879 --> 00:54:26,819 and we had to do two things. 665 00:54:26,819 --> 00:54:34,190 We had them quote the current benefits with the copays and Co 666 00:54:34,879 --> 00:54:36,559 insurances and all that stuff. 667 00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:41,827 We also asked them to quote the plans you previously 668 00:54:41,827 --> 00:54:44,959 had with FMIT which were actually 669 00:54:44,959 --> 00:54:47,639 richer plans at the time and you will see in the exhibits 670 00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:51,839 the pricing and how that played out. 671 00:54:52,567 --> 00:54:57,967 The matching your current benefits came out to about 5.2% 672 00:54:58,999 --> 00:55:02,485 increase in premiums and if you wanted 673 00:55:02,485 --> 00:55:05,847 to go back and have the much richer benefits that you 674 00:55:05,847 --> 00:55:07,847 had it's 6.6% increase. 675 00:55:13,244 --> 00:55:20,216 Compare that to the renewal you would now just a little over 12% 676 00:55:20,216 --> 00:55:25,390 so essentially what it comes down to is you can have better 677 00:55:25,390 --> 00:55:29,319 benefits with a bigger and better network with a carrier 678 00:55:29,319 --> 00:55:34,119 you're already familiar with at almost $100,000 savings compared 679 00:55:35,179 --> 00:55:38,179 to a much greater savings. 680 00:55:41,963 --> 00:55:46,169 So the better benefits and better network and you're 681 00:55:46,169 --> 00:55:48,307 saving money compared to Florida Blue. 682 00:55:48,307 --> 00:55:55,579 So one of the things to note is this is a pool and in this pool 683 00:55:55,579 --> 00:55:59,856 the thing that's a little bit different is that as part 684 00:55:59,856 --> 00:56:04,465 of this pool you are considered a self-insured entity whereas 685 00:56:04,465 --> 00:56:05,772 with -- 686 00:56:05,772 --> 00:56:08,859 it was a pool as well but in that 687 00:56:08,859 --> 00:56:12,704 plan you were considered a fully insured entity. 688 00:56:12,704 --> 00:56:17,243 What that means is it's going to be underwritten differently. 689 00:56:17,243 --> 00:56:19,679 The way it's underwritten is going 690 00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:22,339 to weigh more heavily on your claims performance 691 00:56:22,339 --> 00:56:28,310 so that's one big difference but some of the advantages of that 692 00:56:28,310 --> 00:56:30,491 are you're going to have access to claims reports 693 00:56:30,491 --> 00:56:33,885 which we don't currently have with Florida Blue. 694 00:56:33,885 --> 00:56:37,545 That will enable us to monitor the performance on a month 695 00:56:37,545 --> 00:56:41,450 to month basis and will enable us to also plan 696 00:56:41,450 --> 00:56:45,511 further ahead of time because we will know how it's performing 697 00:56:45,511 --> 00:56:49,623 and consult with our HR staff and predict 698 00:56:49,623 --> 00:56:53,223 any spikes in your increases that we see coming forward 699 00:56:53,223 --> 00:56:54,855 in the future. 700 00:56:54,855 --> 00:56:59,429 A couple of things I will say as far as its performance it 701 00:56:59,429 --> 00:57:02,919 is capped at a 20% increase so we 702 00:57:02,919 --> 00:57:05,372 know you won't have higher than 20% 703 00:57:05,372 --> 00:57:09,572 if you remember you got a 40% increase. 704 00:57:11,159 --> 00:57:13,892 The average increase has been about 8% 705 00:57:13,892 --> 00:57:16,887 year to year for groups that are a part of this. 706 00:57:16,887 --> 00:57:19,859 Right now they are currently 11 public sector entities 707 00:57:19,859 --> 00:57:22,439 that are a part of this group and many 708 00:57:22,439 --> 00:57:27,415 of them are very similar in size to Cooper City 709 00:57:27,415 --> 00:57:32,351 and another plus is each member group of the pool 710 00:57:32,351 --> 00:57:35,839 gets to designate a representative who 711 00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:39,884 is part of the board who gets to vote 712 00:57:39,884 --> 00:57:45,284 on the future direction of that pool by committee. 713 00:57:45,339 --> 00:57:50,139 There also is a possibility of surplus share. 714 00:57:51,172 --> 00:57:54,379 I will caveat that by saying the way 715 00:57:54,379 --> 00:57:57,751 the pool is designed is it's designed in a way 716 00:57:57,751 --> 00:58:00,519 so that there isn't supposed to be a surplus. 717 00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:05,679 Rather what happens is any surplus that is realized just 718 00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:09,836 gets spread amongst the pool to help keep those increases down 719 00:58:09,836 --> 00:58:12,224 from year to year. 720 00:58:12,224 --> 00:58:19,424 And in some cases they do get some kind of surplus back. 721 00:58:21,703 --> 00:58:24,791 Commissioner Shrouder: What are the disadvantages of it? 722 00:58:24,791 --> 00:58:27,979 >> One of the disadvantages and we are seeing a good sample 723 00:58:27,979 --> 00:58:33,199 of this is your current increase with Florida blue is about 12% 724 00:58:33,199 --> 00:58:37,435 historically in the last couple of years you've had increases 725 00:58:37,435 --> 00:58:39,631 that were much higher than that. 726 00:58:39,631 --> 00:58:42,390 The reason why that's happening is 727 00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:46,839 because you've become a little smaller in size 728 00:58:47,132 --> 00:58:49,445 under Florida Blue and the way they 729 00:58:49,445 --> 00:58:52,623 are rating you right now is based more on your overall book 730 00:58:52,623 --> 00:58:53,839 of business. 731 00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:58,390 Industry trends on average is a 10% increase. 732 00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:06,159 And that's because you're being rated 733 00:59:06,225 --> 00:59:08,385 more on their book of business. 734 00:59:08,385 --> 00:59:10,859 When you go this route you're going 735 00:59:10,859 --> 00:59:13,727 to be rated more on your actual claims performance. 736 00:59:13,727 --> 00:59:16,879 So if your claims are performing really badly 737 00:59:16,879 --> 00:59:18,871 that's going to be reflected more heavily 738 00:59:18,871 --> 00:59:21,271 in your next renewal. 739 00:59:28,763 --> 00:59:31,305 Commissioner Smith: When you're saying it's self funded is it 740 00:59:31,305 --> 00:59:34,808 based off of our experience or the pool's experience? 741 00:59:34,808 --> 00:59:37,391 >> It's a combination of both but you will get your own rating 742 00:59:37,391 --> 00:59:40,114 every year so your increase is not going to be the same 743 00:59:40,114 --> 00:59:44,314 as the other 11 members of the pool. 744 00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:47,112 >> So what are the terms? 745 00:59:47,112 --> 00:59:50,712 What percentage of it is ours? 746 00:59:53,515 --> 00:59:56,140 >> The terms are spelled out and I believe you all had received 747 00:59:56,140 --> 00:59:56,822 an excerpt. 748 00:59:56,822 --> 00:59:59,276 It's not in this presentation but there was an excerpt 749 00:59:59,276 --> 01:00:01,507 that I know we had discussed with HR 750 01:00:01,507 --> 01:00:05,115 that kind of explained all the factors that go into the rating. 751 01:00:05,115 --> 01:00:09,139 But the thing to know about it is those 752 01:00:09,139 --> 01:00:11,990 are all underwriting terms. 753 01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:13,839 For you guys but that's going to mean 754 01:00:13,839 --> 01:00:18,390 is it's a level of funding arrangement. 755 01:00:19,423 --> 01:00:23,739 No matter how the claims perform throughout the year 756 01:00:23,739 --> 01:00:27,839 you're going to pay the same premium. 757 01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:31,235 Your premium never changes throughout the year 758 01:00:31,235 --> 01:00:33,579 no matter how your claims perform. 759 01:00:33,579 --> 01:00:35,807 Is not until the very end of the year 760 01:00:35,807 --> 01:00:38,585 that they're going to take a look at how the claims are going 761 01:00:38,585 --> 01:00:43,385 and decide what your increase should be in. 762 01:00:45,742 --> 01:00:47,992 Commissioner Shrouder: Is it your increase or you have 763 01:00:47,992 --> 01:00:49,913 to cover the -- >> No. 764 01:00:49,913 --> 01:00:53,790 If you're in the negative you don't -- 765 01:00:53,790 --> 01:00:55,390 won't be liable for anything. 766 01:00:55,390 --> 01:00:58,939 So that's another good question and point. 767 01:00:58,939 --> 01:01:02,347 You have to give a year's notice if you want to leave. 768 01:01:02,347 --> 01:01:05,841 So when you get that renewal you can say we know by next year 769 01:01:05,841 --> 01:01:09,639 we're not going to continue with this. 770 01:01:09,639 --> 01:01:13,585 Commissioner Shrouder: Is there a cap on the renewal rate? 771 01:01:13,585 --> 01:01:15,585 >> It's currently 20%. 772 01:01:16,839 --> 01:01:20,619 Commissioner Shrouder: So your worst case scenario 773 01:01:20,619 --> 01:01:23,725 would be a renewal at 20% and you've 774 01:01:23,725 --> 01:01:26,372 got a year notice to get out. 775 01:01:26,372 --> 01:01:28,372 >> Right. 776 01:01:30,636 --> 01:01:33,312 Commissioner Shrouder: And they're willing to extend it 777 01:01:33,312 --> 01:01:39,135 where it starts in January or expires -- add time to that. 778 01:01:39,135 --> 01:01:44,999 Right now you're doing it every October so we play this. 779 01:01:44,999 --> 01:01:48,358 >> The assumption is you do it -- 780 01:01:48,358 --> 01:01:54,958 if you want to change the renewal date the effective date. 781 01:01:57,322 --> 01:01:59,239 Commissioner Shrouder: So our staff doesn't -- 782 01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:03,696 there on a time crunch every single >> That's a good point. 783 01:02:03,696 --> 01:02:05,279 That will change with this arrangement 784 01:02:05,279 --> 01:02:07,862 because like I said we are going to be getting into the claims 785 01:02:07,862 --> 01:02:10,487 every month so we are going to know well ahead of time what 786 01:02:10,487 --> 01:02:15,790 the renewal should come in at and they aren't bound 787 01:02:15,790 --> 01:02:18,399 by the same restrictions that Florida Blue currently is 788 01:02:18,399 --> 01:02:20,979 and Florida Blue's policy is they're not 789 01:02:20,979 --> 01:02:23,405 giving your renewal before the effective date 790 01:02:23,405 --> 01:02:25,454 and with this type of arrangement 791 01:02:25,454 --> 01:02:28,125 the minimum would be like 90 days. 792 01:02:28,125 --> 01:02:34,725 We could probably get it 20 days ahead of the effective date. 793 01:02:35,639 --> 01:02:37,939 Commissioner Shrouder: It should be even sooner right? 794 01:02:37,939 --> 01:02:40,790 It should be instantaneous. 795 01:02:40,790 --> 01:02:44,299 Because as the claims come in you have a portal to access it. 796 01:02:44,299 --> 01:02:49,699 It's a self-funded plan so you can see -- 797 01:02:51,810 --> 01:02:55,647 >> Which we will be reporting to you on a regular basis. 798 01:02:55,647 --> 01:02:59,847 Where it's at at any given month. 799 01:03:06,352 --> 01:03:07,852 >> How many people are in this plan? 800 01:03:07,852 --> 01:03:09,830 >> It's 11 entities. 801 01:03:09,830 --> 01:03:15,522 I have the list here of who they >> When you self-fund at the end 802 01:03:15,522 --> 01:03:20,431 of the day somebody is on the hook so that 20% has to just be 803 01:03:20,431 --> 01:03:23,473 in agreement amongst the 11th or the 12th. 804 01:03:23,473 --> 01:03:32,570 But at the end of the day all of them are on the hook for it? 805 01:03:32,570 --> 01:03:34,187 >> But you have to remember there's a stop loss 806 01:03:34,187 --> 01:03:39,587 that's behind this so the liability is capped somewhat. 807 01:03:46,919 --> 01:03:49,919 Already calculated that we know this 808 01:03:49,919 --> 01:03:56,519 is what the worst case scenario is going to be basically. 809 01:04:34,260 --> 01:04:36,260 [No Audio] 810 01:08:05,771 --> 01:08:07,479 Commissioner Shrouder: And then we end up 811 01:08:07,479 --> 01:08:10,479 engaging them as a broker. 812 01:08:14,290 --> 01:08:17,629 >> So with the presentation tonight -- 813 01:08:30,946 --> 01:08:32,946 [No Audio] 814 01:08:45,511 --> 01:08:48,288 Commissioner Smith: We know today is 12.5%. 815 01:08:48,288 --> 01:08:54,214 And by going ahead and making this move to A self-insured plan 816 01:08:54,214 --> 01:08:56,214 -- 817 01:09:08,541 --> 01:09:10,541 [No Audio] 818 01:10:25,129 --> 01:10:31,129 >> We are in a pool of hundreds of people -- 819 01:11:32,519 --> 01:11:37,319 Working with our employees to promote wellness programs 820 01:11:37,799 --> 01:11:42,599 and try to do things that are -- 821 01:11:56,540 --> 01:11:58,120 Commissioner Smith: Use those additional monies 822 01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,492 towards enriched benefits for the members. 823 01:12:00,492 --> 01:12:04,659 May cut you off early but things that Cooper City 824 01:12:04,659 --> 01:12:07,607 is going to be able to entertain based upon being 825 01:12:07,607 --> 01:12:10,607 a fiduciary of good health. 826 01:12:13,237 --> 01:12:15,279 >> There is a surplus share possibility with this 827 01:12:15,279 --> 01:12:15,779 arrangement. 828 01:12:15,779 --> 01:12:18,759 I will say historically for this pool 829 01:12:18,759 --> 01:12:22,155 from what I've seen only about half of the entities 830 01:12:22,155 --> 01:12:26,879 actually get paid out of surplus because the explanation they 831 01:12:26,879 --> 01:12:30,592 gave us is they underwrite it so that there isn't that 832 01:12:30,592 --> 01:12:36,650 much of a surplus because they don't want to also charge you 833 01:12:36,650 --> 01:12:41,199 so much in premium that you're creating the surplus you want 834 01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:45,399 to try to keep the premiums low. 835 01:12:47,776 --> 01:12:49,499 Commissioner Smith: The other question 836 01:12:49,499 --> 01:12:51,751 that I would have is I appreciate 837 01:12:51,751 --> 01:12:55,230 it sounding like the executive staff is listening 838 01:12:55,230 --> 01:12:58,135 to the workers and recognizing that there's obviously 839 01:12:58,135 --> 01:13:03,359 some concern of the usage of the medical benefits. 840 01:13:03,359 --> 01:13:06,985 I just myself have not seen any of that come across. 841 01:13:06,985 --> 01:13:08,807 I don't know if any of my colleagues have 842 01:13:08,807 --> 01:13:13,127 or if it's been personal or additional survey sent 843 01:13:13,127 --> 01:13:15,527 that maybe I missed. 844 01:13:23,123 --> 01:13:25,665 >> There was a survey and it was shared with the city Manager 845 01:13:25,665 --> 01:13:27,665 weeks ago. 846 01:13:33,839 --> 01:13:38,639 The employees have been voicing their dissatisfaction because 847 01:13:39,799 --> 01:13:42,999 of lack of hospitals not necessarily the cost 848 01:13:42,999 --> 01:13:44,847 but basically the lack of hospitals 849 01:13:44,847 --> 01:13:50,247 and the lack of hospitals but lack of doctors. 850 01:13:57,239 --> 01:14:01,959 They are in out of a network facility those doctors usually 851 01:14:01,959 --> 01:14:04,324 are out of network as well. 852 01:14:04,324 --> 01:14:08,524 So the employees that need medical attention 853 01:14:08,719 --> 01:14:15,427 I've had to for the most part change doctors and a lot of them 854 01:14:15,427 --> 01:14:19,627 haven't been using them along at all. 855 01:14:21,419 --> 01:14:25,700 They have been unhappy with Florida Blue 856 01:14:25,700 --> 01:14:29,207 and gone through their significant others plan. 857 01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,120 >> And might need to go back through HR but I know this 858 01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:43,599 commission allocated monies for any loss and dollar amounts that 859 01:14:43,599 --> 01:14:46,599 were prior expected versus unexpected. 860 01:14:47,740 --> 01:14:51,274 Do we know where that final is? 861 01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:57,500 I thought I saw a number that showed -- less than 2000 right? 862 01:14:57,500 --> 01:15:01,550 Do we feel like we missed the mark of communicating that 863 01:15:01,550 --> 01:15:06,390 or is that just by chance how it played out? 864 01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:11,439 >> We did send that information to employees several times. 865 01:15:14,279 --> 01:15:16,679 I don't know if too many people felt 866 01:15:16,679 --> 01:15:20,919 they have fallen into that gap with this problem 867 01:15:20,919 --> 01:15:25,359 because this provides for all of those hospitals 868 01:15:25,359 --> 01:15:28,959 that people had before potentially going 869 01:15:30,271 --> 01:15:34,745 to go away because now we are providing a program very 870 01:15:34,745 --> 01:15:36,745 similar. 871 01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:42,539 Commissioner Smith: So that money was allocated I'm assuming 872 01:15:42,539 --> 01:15:49,139 that wouldn't be -- >> It would go back to form balance. 873 01:15:50,639 --> 01:15:52,231 Commissioner Smith: Thank you mayor. 874 01:15:52,231 --> 01:15:54,631 I have no more. 875 01:15:56,257 --> 01:15:58,577 Mayor Curran: Commissioner Mallozzi. 876 01:15:58,577 --> 01:16:00,619 Commissioner Mallozzi: Right now at the rate that 877 01:16:00,619 --> 01:16:03,999 they're proposing based on the rate that Florida is proposing 878 01:16:03,999 --> 01:16:08,719 we're looking at a 14% savings between what would be paying 879 01:16:08,719 --> 01:16:11,140 if we get this between what would be paying for that 880 01:16:11,140 --> 01:16:16,399 and then on top of that -- >> Point of clarification 14% is 881 01:16:16,399 --> 01:16:19,140 from the budget to these proposals. 882 01:16:19,140 --> 01:16:24,414 From Florida Blue to this proposal is a 6% change. 883 01:16:25,959 --> 01:16:26,701 12. 884 01:16:26,701 --> 01:16:33,901 20 is the budget and 12 and six just to make the numbers easy. 885 01:16:35,319 --> 01:16:36,825 Commissioner Mallozzi: Got it. 886 01:16:36,825 --> 01:16:38,482 I was looking at the 20%. 887 01:16:38,482 --> 01:16:39,149 I apologize. 888 01:16:39,149 --> 01:16:41,359 I have several questions -- 889 01:16:41,359 --> 01:16:44,959 I have to go through -- 890 01:16:45,500 --> 01:16:47,500 I found it. 891 01:16:47,467 --> 01:16:52,867 It was given to us in the staff report . 892 01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:01,128 Explained to me the city's six month contribution. 893 01:17:01,128 --> 01:17:04,247 I don't know if you can see what I'm looking at. 894 01:17:04,247 --> 01:17:07,771 600 $0 deductible at a level which stop loss coverage 895 01:17:07,771 --> 01:17:11,371 begins for a large individual claim. 896 01:17:13,119 --> 01:17:15,119 The 110% corridor. 897 01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:19,759 Do you know those bullet points? 898 01:17:20,999 --> 01:17:27,199 So I had harassed staff and given them all of my questions 899 01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:31,790 but these they were not comfortable answering 900 01:17:31,790 --> 01:17:35,887 so it's all on you and I would love you to answer all of that. 901 01:17:35,887 --> 01:17:36,387 Thank you. 902 01:17:36,387 --> 01:17:40,650 If you could explain those six bullet points. 903 01:17:40,650 --> 01:17:43,119 >> I'm going to recall it the best I can. 904 01:17:43,119 --> 01:17:45,239 I'm familiar with it. 905 01:17:45,239 --> 01:17:50,639 Is basically the terms of the stop loss policy 906 01:17:51,375 --> 01:17:56,639 that leaves behind your plan as all that is. 907 01:17:56,639 --> 01:17:59,432 Commissioner Mallozzi: Can you describe each term 908 01:17:59,432 --> 01:18:01,974 because no one could and I was going to call a friend of mine 909 01:18:01,974 --> 01:18:07,974 that deals with this but they were out of town. 910 01:18:09,826 --> 01:18:12,826 >> They called that the -- 911 01:18:12,879 --> 01:18:17,559 Commissioner Mallozzi: What does that mean to my employees? 912 01:18:17,559 --> 01:18:22,999 >> What it means is that if you have a claim that is above 913 01:18:22,999 --> 01:18:28,359 $60,000 there is an additional insurance that is being paid 914 01:18:28,359 --> 01:18:32,579 for on the back end that covers that amount over that claim 915 01:18:32,579 --> 01:18:36,567 so earlier I had said that your liability was capped by stop 916 01:18:36,567 --> 01:18:37,670 loss. 917 01:18:37,670 --> 01:18:38,839 This is what I meant. 918 01:18:38,839 --> 01:18:44,823 So basically in terms of the claims cost that gets attributed 919 01:18:44,823 --> 01:18:49,807 to your group in terms of how they are looking at this 920 01:18:49,807 --> 01:18:55,207 financially you're on the hook for 60,000 and you're not 921 01:18:55,718 --> 01:18:59,470 on the hook for 60,000 because you will play that every month 922 01:18:59,470 --> 01:19:04,250 but in terms of how the financing works the stop loss 923 01:19:04,250 --> 01:19:08,399 comes in and covers any amount over 60,000 for any one 924 01:19:08,399 --> 01:19:10,365 individual that's on your plan. 925 01:19:10,365 --> 01:19:14,710 This is all back end financing stuff 926 01:19:14,710 --> 01:19:17,319 that does not affect your employees or even 927 01:19:17,319 --> 01:19:20,959 the city in any way until it comes to time for renewal 928 01:19:20,959 --> 01:19:24,279 because if you have a whole bunch of people who go over 929 01:19:24,279 --> 01:19:28,247 that means they're going to have to purchase more stop loss 930 01:19:28,247 --> 01:19:30,727 coverage in the future and so there's 931 01:19:30,727 --> 01:19:33,679 an additional cost associated with that. 932 01:19:33,679 --> 01:19:39,599 That just means that the claims that are being claimed 933 01:19:39,599 --> 01:19:42,459 are any claims that happened and any claims that were 934 01:19:42,459 --> 01:19:44,639 paid in that 12 month period. 935 01:19:44,639 --> 01:19:48,299 That's what gets covered by the stop loss coverage. 936 01:19:48,299 --> 01:19:51,511 So that's a little bit of a buffer. 937 01:19:51,511 --> 01:19:55,479 It defines when that stop loss protection would 938 01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:59,799 apply if the overall claims exceed what they call expected 939 01:19:59,799 --> 01:20:02,572 levels so when they rate you they are rating you 940 01:20:02,572 --> 01:20:06,960 based on what they would expect your cost to be 941 01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:11,852 but then they build in a corridor to cover the plan. 942 01:20:11,852 --> 01:20:13,852 It's 110%. 943 01:20:16,679 --> 01:20:18,765 Commissioner Mallozzi: Follow up with that they 944 01:20:18,765 --> 01:20:21,627 won't know what our claims would be because there's no backup. 945 01:20:21,627 --> 01:20:25,328 So is that going to be a -- >> All these numbers you're seeing 946 01:20:25,328 --> 01:20:28,219 are actually pretty standard for any group other than maybe 947 01:20:28,219 --> 01:20:31,404 the 60,000 deductible that may change based on the size 948 01:20:31,404 --> 01:20:35,359 of the group but all these other terms like the aggregate 949 01:20:35,359 --> 01:20:39,359 corridor are very common in stop loss. 950 01:20:39,359 --> 01:20:42,359 That's also pretty much standard. 951 01:20:44,799 --> 01:20:47,520 Commissioner Mallozzi: And this is 952 01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:53,652 with the plan having 1500 people I believe with all the entities? 953 01:20:54,339 --> 01:20:58,445 >> In the pool it's about 1200 people so you guys would make it 954 01:20:58,445 --> 01:21:00,445 almost 1300. 955 01:21:01,719 --> 01:21:05,599 Commissioner Mallozzi: So if as a whole the group decreases 956 01:21:05,599 --> 01:21:09,472 for any reason then everything is going to shoot up because we 957 01:21:09,472 --> 01:21:13,391 have less people or that cost again would then be distributed 958 01:21:13,391 --> 01:21:18,431 so instead of us taking the bigger brunt we are taking 1/100 959 01:21:18,431 --> 01:21:20,431 of a percentage? 960 01:21:21,929 --> 01:21:24,512 >> Your group actually in terms of size is right in the middle 961 01:21:24,512 --> 01:21:26,432 of what all your other groups are. 962 01:21:26,432 --> 01:21:29,553 There's a group in here as small as 57 963 01:21:29,553 --> 01:21:34,947 and then on the opposite end there's a group as large as 231 964 01:21:34,947 --> 01:21:39,159 so you guys are right in the middle. 965 01:21:39,159 --> 01:21:41,301 Commissioner Mallozzi: So we're okay. 966 01:21:41,301 --> 01:21:46,329 I just want to say we've spoken with staff and our employees 967 01:21:46,329 --> 01:21:50,125 at different times and not one person 968 01:21:50,125 --> 01:21:53,125 said anything nice about this. 969 01:21:53,543 --> 01:21:56,960 When we were at the Florida League of Cities 970 01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:58,936 I ran into one of the vendors that was at our health fair 971 01:21:58,936 --> 01:22:01,469 and she said how are you guys doing with your insurance 972 01:22:01,469 --> 01:22:03,585 because all your employees that came up 973 01:22:03,585 --> 01:22:06,623 to me during the health fair all of them were miserable. 974 01:22:06,623 --> 01:22:08,170 I said I've heard. 975 01:22:08,170 --> 01:22:13,239 As a parent and as someone that unfortunately you 976 01:22:13,239 --> 01:22:15,627 go to the urgent care and as you go to the emergency 977 01:22:15,627 --> 01:22:19,639 rooms and the doctors and when you have such a large provider 978 01:22:19,639 --> 01:22:23,199 right around the corner and you can't use them 979 01:22:23,199 --> 01:22:25,599 there's so many doctors. 980 01:22:26,185 --> 01:22:29,263 >> That doesn't apply to urgent care. 981 01:22:29,263 --> 01:22:33,839 It's only the doctors that are part of that group that you're 982 01:22:33,839 --> 01:22:35,390 going to. 983 01:22:35,390 --> 01:22:37,313 Commissioner Mallozzi: Which they 984 01:22:37,313 --> 01:22:39,519 are so close to where we are and there 985 01:22:39,519 --> 01:22:43,652 are so many doctors that our employees had to change from 986 01:22:43,652 --> 01:22:46,423 or several of them didn't want to change 987 01:22:46,423 --> 01:22:49,423 and they've gone another way. 988 01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:56,762 So to us this is the coverage that we were used to. 989 01:22:56,762 --> 01:23:00,962 As far as doctors and providers etc. 990 01:23:00,999 --> 01:23:05,473 For a better price and we are back 991 01:23:05,473 --> 01:23:11,473 in with a group which is in my opinion better. 992 01:23:11,647 --> 01:23:15,279 So that's all I have to say. 993 01:23:15,279 --> 01:23:18,204 Commissioner Katzman: I'll be brief. 994 01:23:18,204 --> 01:23:25,990 So a year ago we came here and we took a chance. 995 01:23:25,990 --> 01:23:27,119 We've been with United for 20 years 996 01:23:27,119 --> 01:23:33,719 as you all have mentioned we've been with them for a long time. 997 01:23:33,719 --> 01:23:38,179 And I know that I said I'm willing to take 998 01:23:38,179 --> 01:23:40,359 the risk because the jump wasn't very high. 999 01:23:40,359 --> 01:23:42,399 If we stayed with United. 1000 01:23:42,399 --> 01:23:46,543 We went with Florida Blue and they were in negotiations. 1001 01:23:46,543 --> 01:23:50,332 We all kind of thought or at least I 1002 01:23:50,332 --> 01:23:52,207 thought that they would get back together. 1003 01:23:52,207 --> 01:23:58,207 I've never seen this before this long of an impasse 1004 01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,303 and they didn't get back together 1005 01:24:02,303 --> 01:24:06,759 and I don't think they're going to get back together. 1006 01:24:06,759 --> 01:24:11,667 I'm not on the city plan but I am on the Florida blue 1007 01:24:11,667 --> 01:24:13,785 and I have seen a decrease in the ability 1008 01:24:13,785 --> 01:24:17,719 to go to physicians on my end so I know that our city 1009 01:24:17,719 --> 01:24:19,936 employees are impacted by this as 1010 01:24:19,936 --> 01:24:23,609 well so I would like to switch. 1011 01:24:23,609 --> 01:24:27,887 I think you've presented us with a reasonable opportunity here 1012 01:24:27,887 --> 01:24:31,381 and the point is if we have a bad year it's going 1013 01:24:31,381 --> 01:24:33,855 to go up no matter where we go. 1014 01:24:33,855 --> 01:24:38,461 So why not go with the one the employees want? 1015 01:24:38,461 --> 01:24:41,872 It's a low increase year over year and everything 1016 01:24:41,872 --> 01:24:45,641 is going up so we have an increase. 1017 01:24:45,641 --> 01:24:48,311 I think this is a good option unless I hear something 1018 01:24:48,311 --> 01:24:49,659 that I'm not expecting. 1019 01:24:49,659 --> 01:24:53,130 I do want to just ask -- 1020 01:24:53,130 --> 01:24:58,530 I know there was a mention of preventative focus. 1021 01:24:58,659 --> 01:25:05,259 I'd like to ask our team to incentivize that and incentivize 1022 01:25:05,945 --> 01:25:10,145 prevention of whatever tests or whatever health 1023 01:25:11,125 --> 01:25:14,535 fairs we have and I'm not aware so maybe we're already doing 1024 01:25:14,535 --> 01:25:17,465 this because I'm not on this plan but make it free 1025 01:25:17,465 --> 01:25:21,487 and offset it because if we catch something early 1026 01:25:21,487 --> 01:25:25,295 we are saving tons of money on the back end that's 1027 01:25:25,295 --> 01:25:28,295 all I have to say. 1028 01:25:35,124 --> 01:25:36,499 Commissioner Shrouder: So I think 1029 01:25:36,499 --> 01:25:39,900 everyone agrees that United health Care is a better product. 1030 01:25:39,900 --> 01:25:44,687 I just want to -- to underwrite this is kind of easy. 1031 01:25:44,687 --> 01:25:48,119 Florida Blue knows your numbers and they gave you 12% 1032 01:25:48,119 --> 01:25:49,994 and they're hitting us with six and 20 1033 01:25:49,994 --> 01:25:56,239 so they can hit you for 26 so if it doubles then there's 2% 1034 01:25:56,239 --> 01:25:57,919 or whatever buffer. 1035 01:25:57,919 --> 01:26:00,175 I don't know what the one year is. 1036 01:26:00,175 --> 01:26:03,990 Probably three years because by the time we would get the quotes 1037 01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:08,799 and have to give notice maybe they could hit us for whatever. 1038 01:26:08,799 --> 01:26:12,899 I'm okay going with a self-funded plan I just want 1039 01:26:12,899 --> 01:26:17,454 to make sure we understand what a self-funded plan means and we 1040 01:26:17,454 --> 01:26:21,605 don't go ahead and just select a bunch of coverage to restore 1041 01:26:21,605 --> 01:26:28,805 what we had before and we're going to end up hitting -- 1042 01:26:28,867 --> 01:26:30,211 we have to be smart about it. 1043 01:26:30,211 --> 01:26:33,799 The health lifestyle stuff is good but at the end of the day 1044 01:26:33,799 --> 01:26:35,692 if you put certain coverage in where you've 1045 01:26:35,692 --> 01:26:39,390 got a family deductible of $250 everyone 1046 01:26:39,390 --> 01:26:40,735 is going to switch back to that plan 1047 01:26:40,735 --> 01:26:42,639 especially the people who use it the most 1048 01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:46,509 and we are going to quickly max that out. 1049 01:26:46,509 --> 01:26:48,180 So that's one thing. 1050 01:26:48,180 --> 01:26:50,202 The other thing is I would like to find a way 1051 01:26:50,202 --> 01:26:54,519 not to have to look at this each year with very little notice 1052 01:26:54,519 --> 01:26:59,999 so I don't know if the plan is negotiable to the first term 1053 01:26:59,999 --> 01:27:01,999 being longer than 12 months. 1054 01:27:01,999 --> 01:27:08,599 I don't know the plan documents or us paying three months 1055 01:27:09,407 --> 01:27:11,269 and then starting -- 1056 01:27:11,269 --> 01:27:13,269 I don't know. 1057 01:27:15,719 --> 01:27:19,639 Even if you're truly fully insured finding your own 1058 01:27:19,639 --> 01:27:25,313 administrator all on your own -- you still would not -- 1059 01:27:25,313 --> 01:27:30,630 the only component of that that would be the same over multiple 1060 01:27:30,630 --> 01:27:33,650 years would be the administrative fees 1061 01:27:33,650 --> 01:27:38,465 to administer the plan stop loss renews every year. 1062 01:27:39,519 --> 01:27:41,551 Commissioner Shrouder: I understand. 1063 01:27:41,551 --> 01:27:43,739 I want to change it to January. 1064 01:27:43,739 --> 01:27:49,739 If we make decisions and we are doing quotes -- 1065 01:27:58,699 --> 01:28:01,399 >> That's more of a function of the way Florida Blue works that 1066 01:28:01,399 --> 01:28:04,399 they only give us 60 days. 1067 01:28:05,179 --> 01:28:07,429 Commissioner Shrouder: That's all insurance companies. 1068 01:28:07,429 --> 01:28:10,519 They hold your numbers till the end. 1069 01:28:10,519 --> 01:28:14,439 >> In this arrangement we would have the numbers. 1070 01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,319 Commissioner Shrouder: Okay. 1071 01:28:16,319 --> 01:28:18,611 So say we do -- all right. 1072 01:28:18,611 --> 01:28:22,211 And who is administering a plan. 1073 01:28:25,599 --> 01:28:28,625 >> Benecon is the administrator but the pool has a different 1074 01:28:28,625 --> 01:28:29,559 name. 1075 01:28:29,559 --> 01:28:34,420 Commissioner Shrouder: Who is the governing board of that? 1076 01:28:34,420 --> 01:28:37,450 >> Every member of this pool is allowed to assign who they want 1077 01:28:37,450 --> 01:28:38,407 to represent them on the board. 1078 01:28:38,407 --> 01:28:42,607 There is an executive committee that -- 1079 01:28:43,599 --> 01:28:46,292 Commissioner Shrouder: But there has to be some proportionality. 1080 01:28:46,292 --> 01:28:49,379 If there's 1500 I would think I'm 1081 01:28:49,379 --> 01:28:52,668 getting one third of the votes. 1082 01:28:52,668 --> 01:28:54,850 >> That's not how it is right now. 1083 01:28:54,850 --> 01:28:56,936 Right now pretty much all the groups are around your same size 1084 01:28:56,936 --> 01:29:02,336 and there's only 11 of them so literally one person. 1085 01:29:02,999 --> 01:29:05,527 Commissioner Shrouder: So I imagine everyone is technically 1086 01:29:05,527 --> 01:29:07,407 on the hook and then maybe the contracts 1087 01:29:07,407 --> 01:29:09,949 amongst each other are going to be limited to your experience 1088 01:29:09,949 --> 01:29:12,349 or something like that. 1089 01:29:16,210 --> 01:29:18,159 >> What do you mean by on the hook? 1090 01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:20,919 Commissioner Shrouder: The sponsors of the self-insured 1091 01:29:20,919 --> 01:29:23,583 plan have to cover any issues that there are, 1092 01:29:23,583 --> 01:29:28,423 any losses regardless of -- they don't go Cooper city you've got 1093 01:29:28,423 --> 01:29:31,259 a contract only cover up to 20% next year. 1094 01:29:31,259 --> 01:29:37,259 They want the whole thing funded and that's the reality. 1095 01:29:37,509 --> 01:29:39,759 >> They have actuaries and all kinds of people working 1096 01:29:39,759 --> 01:29:44,790 on the finances to try to prevent that. 1097 01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:46,643 Commissioner Shrouder: So if everyone wants to move to United 1098 01:29:46,643 --> 01:29:50,710 and that's what you want to do okay I'm fine with that. 1099 01:29:50,710 --> 01:29:52,455 However I think we should be cautious 1100 01:29:52,455 --> 01:29:54,839 before we go back to exactly what we had 1101 01:29:54,839 --> 01:29:57,865 because of the very rich benefits which 1102 01:29:57,865 --> 01:30:03,265 is going to get us very quickly into escalating. 1103 01:30:06,661 --> 01:30:09,119 >> Along those lines just to remind you they had two offers 1104 01:30:09,119 --> 01:30:14,349 and one is the richer benefits you have or matching the current 1105 01:30:14,349 --> 01:30:18,659 benefit design you have so not only are you deciding whether 1106 01:30:18,659 --> 01:30:23,671 you're going to go with Benecon but which of those two choices 1107 01:30:23,671 --> 01:30:28,471 -- one was 5.2 and the other one was 6.6. 1108 01:30:31,599 --> 01:30:36,999 Commissioner Shrouder: So that upfront isn't what worries me. 1109 01:30:49,919 --> 01:30:52,919 The lower certain things are. 1110 01:31:29,879 --> 01:31:32,265 Once you're part of the pool it'll 1111 01:31:32,265 --> 01:31:35,865 be easier to make that change. 1112 01:31:42,820 --> 01:31:44,499 Commissioner Mallozzi: You said that you could potentially 1113 01:31:44,499 --> 01:31:49,899 get the renewal six months in advance prior to. 1114 01:32:02,938 --> 01:32:06,538 Commissioner Shrouder: Insurance companies are pros. 1115 01:32:08,799 --> 01:32:14,159 I wonder if Florida Blue would let us since we are still 1116 01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:20,159 thinking about them -- you don't pick up on cues. 1117 01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:25,360 >> That's another thing. 1118 01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,219 Even if they did extend to if they did agree to extend it 1119 01:32:28,219 --> 01:32:33,619 they're going to extend it at the higher rates. 1120 01:32:37,919 --> 01:32:43,666 Just want to make sure we are clear on that. 1121 01:32:43,666 --> 01:32:45,583 Commissioner Smith: So these are round numbers 1122 01:32:45,583 --> 01:32:51,583 but you're saying 6% extra It's major disruption to the staff. 1123 01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:37,452 We're just trying to be advocates for the staff . 1124 01:33:55,631 --> 01:33:57,890 Commissioner Shrouder: Wouldn't you 1125 01:33:57,890 --> 01:34:01,889 love to start something a little bit longer? 1126 01:34:06,181 --> 01:34:08,639 >> We had more people enrolled than this year so if we have 1127 01:34:08,639 --> 01:34:16,439 to do it this year we can do it this year in October . 1128 01:34:18,548 --> 01:34:23,348 January 1st would be probably a better idea . 1129 01:34:23,814 --> 01:34:32,814 But from our end in HR we will have to give it a big push. 1130 01:34:35,339 --> 01:34:37,672 Commissioner Smith: So we are hearing a lot of employees 1131 01:34:37,672 --> 01:34:39,785 are on spouse's insurance so in the window 1132 01:34:39,785 --> 01:34:43,590 to make a decision do I go and what do they have 1133 01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:46,632 but they can say I think we can see what we're doing 1134 01:34:46,632 --> 01:34:48,503 and have that discussion internally 1135 01:34:48,503 --> 01:34:52,959 so giving them time might be beneficial for them 1136 01:34:52,959 --> 01:34:56,107 because I'm sure right now is a season 1137 01:34:56,107 --> 01:34:59,335 where their spouses are at or they have to make a decision. 1138 01:34:59,335 --> 01:35:02,335 I would have to assume. 1139 01:35:05,159 --> 01:35:07,850 Commissioner Shrouder: We do our budgeting 1140 01:35:07,850 --> 01:35:12,485 now doing it at the same time and onboarding. 1141 01:35:14,199 --> 01:35:17,125 Mayor Curran: I have a question. 1142 01:35:17,125 --> 01:35:20,927 If we have to push and get ready for October and we change 1143 01:35:20,927 --> 01:35:24,911 is there another enrollment period between October this year 1144 01:35:24,911 --> 01:35:28,511 and October next year or no? 1145 01:35:30,719 --> 01:35:34,932 Can we come off of that plan and go to yours? 1146 01:35:34,932 --> 01:35:39,132 >> There has to be a qualifying event. 1147 01:35:39,359 --> 01:35:41,959 Commissioner Shrouder: I spent the day 1148 01:35:41,959 --> 01:35:44,989 actually working on a self-funded plan that 1149 01:35:44,989 --> 01:35:50,989 didn't meet the coverage and as a temporary restraining order. 1150 01:35:51,790 --> 01:35:55,439 So not always as easy as you think my entire day to day. 1151 01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:59,427 But if you could get Florida Blue to just extend it even 1152 01:35:59,427 --> 01:36:04,279 a month or two my opinion every month you get further out from 1153 01:36:04,279 --> 01:36:07,959 October is better for the staff because our fiscal year runs 1154 01:36:07,959 --> 01:36:10,359 October 1st to whatever. 1155 01:36:15,248 --> 01:36:17,873 Commissioner Mallozzi: I don't want the price to go up so is it 1156 01:36:17,873 --> 01:36:23,273 possible to lock it in but effective January -- 1157 01:36:24,399 --> 01:36:26,330 Commissioner Shrouder: It's not the new plan 1158 01:36:26,330 --> 01:36:29,330 that Commissioner Mallozzi: He said 1159 01:36:29,949 --> 01:36:32,449 he can't guarantee the rates we are being presented with now 1160 01:36:32,449 --> 01:36:34,323 will be the same in January. 1161 01:36:34,323 --> 01:36:35,763 Is that what you said? 1162 01:36:35,763 --> 01:36:37,763 Did I misunderstand? 1163 01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:41,759 >> If you wanted to extend Florida Blue going into January 1164 01:36:41,759 --> 01:36:47,790 they're going to do it but at the new rates. 1165 01:36:47,790 --> 01:36:50,712 Commissioner Mallozzi: That's understandable but the rates you 1166 01:36:50,712 --> 01:36:55,512 are presenting to us with United and Benecon, 1167 01:36:55,783 --> 01:37:02,160 are those rates going to change if we for some reason say -- 1168 01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:05,927 so is there a way -- you're not the insurance expert. 1169 01:37:05,927 --> 01:37:10,673 Is there a way to lock in those rates now? 1170 01:37:10,673 --> 01:37:16,730 We say we are signing as of January 1st. 1171 01:37:18,879 --> 01:37:23,489 >> I guess we could ask them for a 90 day extension on the quote 1172 01:37:23,489 --> 01:37:25,790 that they gave. 1173 01:37:25,790 --> 01:37:30,279 I can't say for sure they're going to agree to that. 1174 01:37:30,279 --> 01:37:32,200 Commissioner Shrouder: The only one 1175 01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:34,553 who knows our exposure and experience right now 1176 01:37:34,553 --> 01:37:35,497 is Florida Blue. 1177 01:37:35,497 --> 01:37:37,559 They looked at that rate and doubled it and put 1178 01:37:37,559 --> 01:37:41,790 a couple of points on it. 1179 01:37:41,790 --> 01:37:45,619 Commissioner Mallozzi: And then we're paying an additional 12%. 1180 01:37:45,619 --> 01:37:50,319 It's 12% increase so if we pay an additional 12% 1181 01:37:50,319 --> 01:37:53,635 for the additional three months then they're 1182 01:37:53,635 --> 01:37:56,935 going to look at their rates that they're giving us based 1183 01:37:56,935 --> 01:37:59,335 on an additional 12% correct? 1184 01:38:04,982 --> 01:38:07,524 >> You can go up 20% and in a two year period we are going -- 1185 01:38:07,524 --> 01:38:09,790 six and 20 for two years. 1186 01:38:09,790 --> 01:38:13,120 That's the total they can cover so they figure they double that 1187 01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:15,132 and that's 24 so they've got a 2% buffer 1188 01:38:15,132 --> 01:38:16,775 and that's how they did it. 1189 01:38:16,775 --> 01:38:19,775 They don't have our numbers. 1190 01:38:20,639 --> 01:38:24,722 Commissioner Mallozzi: If only you were working for -- 1191 01:38:24,722 --> 01:38:29,591 it's his job to know and if not -- 1192 01:38:29,591 --> 01:38:32,591 I'd like my question answered. 1193 01:38:33,679 --> 01:38:38,939 >> It's really going to just be right now based on what 1194 01:38:38,939 --> 01:38:45,539 their pool looks like and your demographics which if they did 1195 01:38:45,759 --> 01:38:49,547 agree -- let's take a look at this again in three months they 1196 01:38:49,547 --> 01:38:54,199 may ask for another census which is it may change probably not 1197 01:38:54,199 --> 01:38:56,763 because the public sector doesn't usually change much 1198 01:38:56,763 --> 01:39:00,549 in three months but that's one of the reasons why the rate 1199 01:39:00,549 --> 01:39:02,549 could theoretically change. 1200 01:39:05,319 --> 01:39:08,331 Commissioner Shrouder: But even if we got a one month extension 1201 01:39:08,331 --> 01:39:13,731 every day you get away from October is better. 1202 01:39:16,839 --> 01:39:21,919 >> I just want to offer an option so we can move forward. 1203 01:39:21,919 --> 01:39:24,430 Clearly two questions need to be answered. 1204 01:39:24,430 --> 01:39:29,175 One is the question is are you willing to move -- 1205 01:39:29,175 --> 01:39:30,709 that's the first question. 1206 01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:34,909 The second question is are you okay 1207 01:39:35,219 --> 01:39:41,990 with us moving the start date one month at the same rate 1208 01:39:41,990 --> 01:39:42,685 or not? 1209 01:39:42,685 --> 01:39:49,285 But where we are today I would suggest that an alternate 1210 01:39:52,839 --> 01:39:58,239 approval -- because if Florida Blue says no -- 1211 01:40:02,866 --> 01:40:04,241 Commissioner Shrouder: We are not 1212 01:40:04,241 --> 01:40:06,906 going to have another emergency meeting. 1213 01:40:06,906 --> 01:40:09,239 >> If that's an option that's a very reasonable approach 1214 01:40:09,239 --> 01:40:09,975 to take. 1215 01:40:09,975 --> 01:40:14,175 I don't think anyone's arguing with you. 1216 01:40:16,599 --> 01:40:19,160 Commissioner Shrouder: My preference would be three months 1217 01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:20,682 and my other preference would be for you 1218 01:40:20,682 --> 01:40:22,659 to look at what we are offering under United 1219 01:40:22,659 --> 01:40:26,714 and make sure we are not going to rich to put us 1220 01:40:26,714 --> 01:40:28,775 in the exact same position. 1221 01:40:28,775 --> 01:40:30,684 So that's my other one. 1222 01:40:30,684 --> 01:40:35,484 So we are not revisiting this each year. 1223 01:40:38,736 --> 01:40:40,444 >> And that can be as much as we can get. 1224 01:40:40,444 --> 01:40:42,444 Okay. 1225 01:40:45,483 --> 01:40:46,525 >> I've got one question. 1226 01:40:46,525 --> 01:40:48,787 Do you have the two different plans yet? 1227 01:40:48,787 --> 01:40:52,387 A and B on United Health? 1228 01:40:54,359 --> 01:40:56,839 Commissioner Mallozzi: They're in the presentation. 1229 01:40:56,839 --> 01:41:00,479 Mayor Curran: I just want to make sure because whatever we 1230 01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:04,790 are giving back -- go ahead. 1231 01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:11,679 I just wanted to know what we are keeping at 5 or 6% and 6.5 1232 01:41:12,499 --> 01:41:14,819 or whatever it is. 1233 01:41:14,819 --> 01:41:18,792 I want to know what the difference is 1234 01:41:18,792 --> 01:41:21,839 in the actual as far as 1.4%. 1235 01:41:21,839 --> 01:41:25,112 Whatever the difference is I'd like to see it in an easier term 1236 01:41:25,112 --> 01:41:28,959 so we know what we're going to because at the end of the day 1237 01:41:28,959 --> 01:41:34,807 and paying for an extra month for staff and everybody 1238 01:41:34,807 --> 01:41:36,745 else I'm all in favor of. 1239 01:41:36,745 --> 01:41:38,623 Anything that can get us out of next year 1240 01:41:38,623 --> 01:41:40,585 being in the same position again if we 1241 01:41:40,585 --> 01:41:42,599 move at one time it should be the only time we 1242 01:41:42,599 --> 01:41:43,739 have to move it correct? 1243 01:41:43,739 --> 01:41:46,971 If we go to the January start date 1244 01:41:46,971 --> 01:41:50,313 we should be able to stay in that cycle correct as long as we 1245 01:41:50,313 --> 01:41:53,649 are in this pool whereas if we go to another company 1246 01:41:53,649 --> 01:41:56,779 Florida Blue gets it and they say no our operating 1247 01:41:56,779 --> 01:41:59,179 date is only October. 1248 01:42:01,359 --> 01:42:07,312 >> Moving forward that would be the date we're operating on. 1249 01:42:07,312 --> 01:42:08,895 >> I'm okay with moving it to January. 1250 01:42:08,895 --> 01:42:14,919 My only concern is that Florida Blue is not in agreement 1251 01:42:14,919 --> 01:42:21,455 and we are wasting the one month that we have to open enrollment 1252 01:42:21,455 --> 01:42:23,855 and to enroll people. 1253 01:42:27,239 --> 01:42:33,239 Mayor Curran: You guys should know this in ten days. 1254 01:42:35,879 --> 01:42:36,719 You did. 1255 01:42:36,719 --> 01:42:39,399 You gave it up earlier when we were talking 1256 01:42:39,399 --> 01:42:41,799 about keeping Florida blue. 1257 01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:49,579 Are we good? 1258 01:42:49,579 --> 01:42:54,379 We know the direction we are giving them? 1259 01:42:55,493 --> 01:42:57,660 >> You don't have the premium benefits lined up next 1260 01:42:57,660 --> 01:43:01,860 to everything else in this chart right? 1261 01:43:09,132 --> 01:43:10,757 >> You mean literally right next to it? 1262 01:43:10,757 --> 01:43:11,268 No. 1263 01:43:11,268 --> 01:43:15,468 We would have to piece them together. 1264 01:43:18,580 --> 01:43:21,569 >> In essence you do because on the one that shows the projected 1265 01:43:21,569 --> 01:43:26,969 6.6% increase the Florida blue you can see the differences 1266 01:43:28,711 --> 01:43:34,711 for each one and since the 5.2% increase is keeping all 1267 01:43:34,831 --> 01:43:39,224 the benefits the same then you have your comparison right there 1268 01:43:39,224 --> 01:43:42,423 looking at what the offer is with the 6.6. 1269 01:43:42,423 --> 01:43:47,823 The difference in the cost is about $27,000 between the 5.2 1270 01:43:49,941 --> 01:43:51,941 and the 6.6. 1271 01:43:52,556 --> 01:43:58,740 So I'll just make one other point is I know there were a lot 1272 01:43:58,740 --> 01:44:02,159 of people that may be switched to their spouse's plans and it 1273 01:44:02,159 --> 01:44:05,519 might not only be the coverage so their spouse may also have 1274 01:44:05,519 --> 01:44:11,415 united with richer benefits or the same benefits but at a lower 1275 01:44:11,415 --> 01:44:16,535 cost because we did increase the cost that the employees were 1276 01:44:16,535 --> 01:44:19,703 paying so they may still stay on their spouse's plan 1277 01:44:19,703 --> 01:44:25,103 because the cost for them might be lower still . 1278 01:44:32,975 --> 01:44:34,975 [Indistinct] 1279 01:45:05,279 --> 01:45:09,479 So the family Florida blue same option 1280 01:45:09,692 --> 01:45:14,492 has gone from $750 deductible to $500 deductible in network. 1281 01:45:18,599 --> 01:45:20,999 Commissioner Shrouder: Certain terms 1282 01:45:21,335 --> 01:45:25,207 might make major users like that jump back. 1283 01:45:25,207 --> 01:45:27,934 People who use it a lot next thing you know all of a sudden 1284 01:45:27,934 --> 01:45:30,759 we get a lot of major users back. 1285 01:45:30,759 --> 01:45:37,954 All I'm saying is for staff to look at -- that was one example. 1286 01:45:37,954 --> 01:45:40,540 Look at these richer things. 1287 01:45:40,540 --> 01:45:45,943 Figure out which one from an actuarial standpoint trigger -- 1288 01:45:45,943 --> 01:45:49,999 you understand what I'm trying to say? 1289 01:45:49,999 --> 01:45:52,519 >> Increases in the people coming back to our plan versus 1290 01:45:52,519 --> 01:45:54,519 the spouse's plan. 1291 01:45:55,543 --> 01:45:57,543 I don't know. 1292 01:45:57,879 --> 01:46:01,479 Somebody should be cognizant of something. 1293 01:46:01,692 --> 01:46:04,719 >> And on top of that is if the employee comes back to this plan 1294 01:46:04,719 --> 01:46:07,431 it's also a qualifying event for the spouse and their family 1295 01:46:07,431 --> 01:46:08,279 right? 1296 01:46:08,279 --> 01:46:11,279 So they might come over . 1297 01:46:16,728 --> 01:46:19,919 It's really hard to tell because you 1298 01:46:19,919 --> 01:46:22,535 don't know what their spouse's plans are 1299 01:46:22,535 --> 01:46:24,935 and what they're offering. 1300 01:46:28,961 --> 01:46:30,919 >> I'm sure difference in certain benefits have 1301 01:46:30,919 --> 01:46:32,919 statistical results. 1302 01:46:33,650 --> 01:46:35,465 Does that make sense? 1303 01:46:37,359 --> 01:46:40,359 >> I understand what you're saying. 1304 01:46:49,170 --> 01:46:51,170 [Indistinct] 1305 01:46:51,209 --> 01:46:53,167 Commissioner Mallozzi: Even if you increase 20% 1306 01:46:53,167 --> 01:46:58,567 is better than the 40% they did on their own. 1307 01:47:02,868 --> 01:47:05,559 >> I think it was higher than 40 actually. 1308 01:47:05,559 --> 01:47:07,487 Commissioner Mallozzi: The reason this all 1309 01:47:07,487 --> 01:47:10,254 occurred is because United came to us when it was time to renew 1310 01:47:10,254 --> 01:47:12,399 and they said great but because you 1311 01:47:12,399 --> 01:47:16,839 have this we're upping what you're paying by just under 50% 1312 01:47:16,839 --> 01:47:24,229 which is a crazy amount of money but now if we are with Benecon 1313 01:47:24,229 --> 01:47:26,612 then they are maxed at 20. 1314 01:47:26,612 --> 01:47:33,212 You're saying that and you can say that all you want. 1315 01:47:33,659 --> 01:47:34,961 This is a cap. 1316 01:47:34,961 --> 01:47:38,712 We don't have to worry about them coming to us 1317 01:47:38,712 --> 01:47:44,712 and saying we're going to almost double what you're paying. 1318 01:47:45,119 --> 01:47:48,612 Mayor Curran: Do you have what you need? 1319 01:47:48,612 --> 01:47:52,812 >> What all do you need voted on? 1320 01:47:53,179 --> 01:47:55,679 >> The ultimate conclusion is contingent upon whether or not 1321 01:47:55,679 --> 01:47:59,479 your current provider will extend their coverage for up 1322 01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:01,479 to 90 days. 1323 01:48:04,551 --> 01:48:05,759 >> So that's the first thing. 1324 01:48:05,759 --> 01:48:08,342 >> And the second part of that is whether the current proposal 1325 01:48:08,342 --> 01:48:10,742 will hold their rates. 1326 01:48:11,799 --> 01:48:17,519 Getting the current plan to extend for up to 90 days. 1327 01:48:17,519 --> 01:48:19,919 Subject to that extension. 1328 01:48:21,172 --> 01:48:23,419 >> And the third would be because they don't give it 1329 01:48:23,419 --> 01:48:24,199 to us. 1330 01:48:24,199 --> 01:48:26,599 If that's the intent. 1331 01:48:32,590 --> 01:48:33,892 >> Move forward anyway but try to negotiate. 1332 01:48:33,892 --> 01:48:36,892 You know what I mean? 1333 01:48:38,799 --> 01:48:40,345 Commissioner Mallozzi: I'm sorry. 1334 01:48:40,345 --> 01:48:43,707 I'm going to make sure this is proper. 1335 01:48:43,707 --> 01:48:47,907 Up to 90 day extension with Florida blue. 1336 01:48:49,559 --> 01:48:55,559 In addition to getting them to keep the proposed rates 1337 01:48:56,990 --> 01:48:59,990 they are giving to us. 1338 01:49:01,896 --> 01:49:03,479 Commissioner Shrouder: I wasn't adding 1339 01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:06,190 that because that was just one thing I'm not really worried 1340 01:49:06,190 --> 01:49:08,190 about. 1341 01:49:08,679 --> 01:49:12,831 But if you want to add it we are just adding those conditions. 1342 01:49:12,831 --> 01:49:18,390 The third thing I was going to ask is do we need to select 1343 01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:23,219 which set of benefits under -- >> This will not come out 1344 01:49:23,219 --> 01:49:23,969 to the conditions. 1345 01:49:23,969 --> 01:49:27,265 They need to know what option they're going with whether it's 1346 01:49:27,265 --> 01:49:29,265 3060 or 90 days. 1347 01:49:36,719 --> 01:49:39,519 So discuss that really quick. 1348 01:49:39,519 --> 01:49:41,519 A or b. 1349 01:49:49,196 --> 01:49:52,196 >> To define what it is. 1350 01:49:54,926 --> 01:49:58,795 >> Does it have to be selective at the start of United 1351 01:49:58,795 --> 01:50:00,467 or whatever? 1352 01:50:00,467 --> 01:50:02,867 I'm going with b. 1353 01:50:03,439 --> 01:50:05,439 The 6.2. 1354 01:50:13,790 --> 01:50:16,790 It's not so much better. 1355 01:50:17,790 --> 01:50:19,839 What we had before compared to what 1356 01:50:19,839 --> 01:50:23,439 we have now with Florida blue. 1357 01:50:30,719 --> 01:50:35,189 They created that plan for us to match it. 1358 01:50:35,189 --> 01:50:39,859 So the question is I'm okay with going up to the richer one 1359 01:50:39,859 --> 01:50:41,959 but I would like the manager to have discretion 1360 01:50:41,959 --> 01:50:44,279 to make modifications to that. 1361 01:50:44,279 --> 01:50:45,959 That's your ceiling. 1362 01:50:45,959 --> 01:50:49,559 But look from a mathematical standpoint 1363 01:50:49,612 --> 01:50:53,631 I don't want a deductible for a whole family of $500. 1364 01:50:53,631 --> 01:50:55,292 I already know what's going to happen. 1365 01:50:55,292 --> 01:50:56,999 It will be through the roof. 1366 01:50:56,999 --> 01:51:01,190 Everybody will be on it adopting kids. 1367 01:51:01,190 --> 01:51:03,190 That's what happens. 1368 01:51:03,379 --> 01:51:06,465 It was all or nothing before. 1369 01:51:06,465 --> 01:51:09,590 All we had was a single or everyone 1370 01:51:09,590 --> 01:51:13,259 you know on the plan and $500 deductible. 1371 01:51:16,479 --> 01:51:21,943 They customize that to give us the quote so that's the ceiling 1372 01:51:21,943 --> 01:51:29,743 no better than that but put in the long term goal of -- 1373 01:51:30,159 --> 01:51:35,559 I don't know which data point it would be. 1374 01:51:35,709 --> 01:51:37,709 750 but there's something. 1375 01:51:43,496 --> 01:51:45,496 Commissioner Mallozzi: 250 and 750. 1376 01:51:47,799 --> 01:51:50,289 Commissioner Shrouder: So we authorize the manager 1377 01:51:50,289 --> 01:51:53,461 to switch to this and try to get up to a 90 day extension 1378 01:51:53,461 --> 01:51:59,175 and customize the benefits not to exceed the plan offer. 1379 01:51:59,175 --> 01:52:01,175 Makes sense? 1380 01:52:20,519 --> 01:52:22,519 Oliver. 1381 01:52:28,718 --> 01:52:30,718 [Reading names] 1382 01:52:35,868 --> 01:52:40,185 >> Ordinance for the city of Cooper City Florida development 1383 01:52:40,185 --> 01:52:44,985 standards by -- establishing a certain restrictions related 1384 01:52:49,979 --> 01:52:54,379 to use maintenance parking and residential property rescinding 1385 01:52:54,379 --> 01:52:57,379 registration requirements and clarification conflicts 1386 01:52:59,111 --> 01:53:02,459 and providing for an effective date. 1387 01:53:02,459 --> 01:53:04,999 The ordinance before you this evening on first reading 1388 01:53:04,999 --> 01:53:07,589 and includes the entire elimination of the registration 1389 01:53:07,589 --> 01:53:10,390 process as the Commission previously 1390 01:53:10,390 --> 01:53:12,399 directed and also includes a provision 1391 01:53:12,399 --> 01:53:15,612 stating that the city will establish a system for owners 1392 01:53:15,612 --> 01:53:18,599 on its website to track the duration of parking 1393 01:53:18,599 --> 01:53:23,909 and that's up to 36 hours which our code currently provides. 1394 01:53:23,909 --> 01:53:27,929 Also the elimination of some conflict language in the code 1395 01:53:27,929 --> 01:53:33,329 otherwise consistent with your discussion of the last meeting. 1396 01:53:37,274 --> 01:53:38,285 Mayor Curran: Motion? 1397 01:53:38,285 --> 01:53:40,285 Need a second. 1398 01:53:43,319 --> 01:53:45,999 Commissioner Smith: I think at this point it is mirroring 1399 01:53:45,999 --> 01:53:47,735 what our residents were asking. 1400 01:53:47,735 --> 01:53:53,379 I think at this moment this is where we are at. 1401 01:53:53,379 --> 01:53:58,179 So I don't have anything else to add. 1402 01:54:06,421 --> 01:54:07,879 Commissioner Shrouder: I missed it. 1403 01:54:07,879 --> 01:54:12,319 The only change is getting rid of the registration? 1404 01:54:12,319 --> 01:54:14,903 >> Provides of the establishment of a tracking system that 1405 01:54:14,903 --> 01:54:17,399 your staff will implement that comes with registration 1406 01:54:17,399 --> 01:54:21,699 and the direction to refund the fees was consistent with 1407 01:54:21,699 --> 01:54:23,699 the last meeting. 1408 01:54:26,519 --> 01:54:29,519 Mayor Curran: Call the vote. 1409 01:54:36,326 --> 01:54:38,326 [Reading names] 1410 01:54:49,444 --> 01:54:50,190 >> I just wanted to let the commission know that I'm going 1411 01:54:50,190 --> 01:54:53,619 to be asking to meet with each of you guys individually over 1412 01:54:53,619 --> 01:54:56,967 the next month or so I've been working on a series 1413 01:54:56,967 --> 01:55:01,550 of alternatives for the property tax reductions. 1414 01:55:01,550 --> 01:55:04,909 I want to spend time individually with each of you 1415 01:55:04,909 --> 01:55:08,991 and my goal is to present those alternatives probably 1416 01:55:08,991 --> 01:55:14,909 the first meeting in September but some of that discussion 1417 01:55:14,909 --> 01:55:18,509 preferred to have it first individually 1418 01:55:18,671 --> 01:55:22,182 so you were fully briefed with those options and at this point 1419 01:55:22,182 --> 01:55:26,591 they are just options and some of them 1420 01:55:26,591 --> 01:55:30,719 are not pretty but decisions that we're all 1421 01:55:30,719 --> 01:55:32,819 going to have to deal with. 1422 01:55:32,819 --> 01:55:35,219 That's all I have. 1423 01:55:41,514 --> 01:55:43,972 >> You may recall earlier this year back in March and April 1424 01:55:43,972 --> 01:55:46,871 there was some dispute between the city it was 1425 01:55:46,871 --> 01:55:49,391 the administrator of our code system, 1426 01:55:49,391 --> 01:55:53,839 one of our databases and finally for the first time over 1427 01:55:53,839 --> 01:55:56,631 the course of that exchange about two weeks ago we heard 1428 01:55:56,631 --> 01:55:57,999 from their lawyer. 1429 01:55:57,999 --> 01:56:00,159 We've been working with their legal counsel in Utah 1430 01:56:00,159 --> 01:56:06,159 for the past ten days or so Roughly about $19,000 plus 1431 01:56:19,711 --> 01:56:25,111 or minus working with the IT department and counterparts 1432 01:56:25,679 --> 01:56:32,199 going to be transferring all of the city's data in that format. 1433 01:56:32,199 --> 01:56:34,439 That's all I have. 1434 01:56:34,439 --> 01:56:36,439 Thank you. 1435 01:56:42,720 --> 01:56:44,407 Commissioner Shrouder: FTP format. 1436 01:56:44,407 --> 01:56:48,700 Is that something we can process? 1437 01:56:53,262 --> 01:56:55,679 >> We are working to make sure whatever format we transfer 1438 01:56:55,679 --> 01:56:58,463 the data is accessible and moves forward. 1439 01:56:58,463 --> 01:57:04,463 We intend to work on the IT side of that. 1440 01:57:06,390 --> 01:57:09,850 Commissioner Smith: Just a couple of things if I may. 1441 01:57:09,850 --> 01:57:15,250 I think I've been seeing some additional information coming 1442 01:57:16,651 --> 01:57:22,644 out of social media land which is good so if we can can 1443 01:57:22,644 --> 01:57:28,644 we make sure to start sharing content like this sidewalks. 1444 01:57:53,159 --> 01:57:57,959 Another question that I would have is this. 1445 01:58:01,799 --> 01:58:07,990 I don't think we have talked about it for a while 1446 01:58:07,990 --> 01:58:08,799 and speaking with the city manager 1447 01:58:08,799 --> 01:58:14,799 about this low level water areas inside of our communities. 1448 01:58:22,679 --> 01:58:26,865 It takes over different sections obviously not the whole city 1449 01:58:26,865 --> 01:58:30,602 but enough to be said where that's a concern. 1450 01:58:30,602 --> 01:58:33,824 I don't think today that can be looked at as a public health 1451 01:58:33,824 --> 01:58:34,324 concern. 1452 01:58:34,324 --> 01:58:38,875 I think we need to be mindful of things like this 1453 01:58:38,875 --> 01:58:43,359 so we need to start preparing for dredging of our canals. 1454 01:58:43,359 --> 01:58:45,519 I know different municipalities have 1455 01:58:45,519 --> 01:58:49,339 to put a part of their infrastructure focus. 1456 01:58:49,339 --> 01:58:54,739 If we can get our partners with the county 1457 01:58:54,927 --> 01:58:58,899 because I know that they hold a lot of that responsibility 1458 01:58:58,899 --> 01:59:05,520 so if we can just make that a forefront just on our normal 1459 01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:09,252 needs of the side of our city. 1460 01:59:09,812 --> 01:59:12,960 Figure out what we may need to do 1461 01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:17,439 for those population areas of holding water for mosquitoes. 1462 01:59:17,439 --> 01:59:23,199 And I think at the end of this I appreciate -- 1463 01:59:23,199 --> 01:59:25,433 this is my last one. 1464 01:59:25,433 --> 01:59:27,599 I want to thank the city attorney and the city 1465 01:59:27,599 --> 01:59:29,909 manager and our deputy city Manager 1466 01:59:29,909 --> 01:59:35,309 for listening to what's going on with our employees 1467 01:59:35,389 --> 01:59:38,535 and working on resolutions to be able to get it 1468 01:59:38,535 --> 01:59:40,122 right for health care. 1469 01:59:40,122 --> 01:59:43,990 We are at a time and age where that matters. 1470 01:59:43,990 --> 01:59:46,879 So with having a smaller population of employees 1471 01:59:46,879 --> 01:59:49,303 taking care of them and letting them 1472 01:59:49,303 --> 01:59:51,919 know that it's important to me and so I 1473 01:59:51,919 --> 01:59:53,439 appreciate you doing that. 1474 01:59:53,439 --> 01:59:55,439 Thank you. 1475 01:59:58,886 --> 02:00:00,303 Commissioner Mallozzi: I just want 1476 02:00:00,303 --> 02:00:02,303 to be thankful to everyone for the work they did 1477 02:00:02,303 --> 02:00:06,359 on the insurance and hopefully everyone can get a better rate 1478 02:00:06,359 --> 02:00:08,759 and everything works out. 1479 02:00:08,871 --> 02:00:11,189 Very happy with that. 1480 02:00:11,189 --> 02:00:14,679 I don't know about the mosquitoes but Mr. 1481 02:00:14,679 --> 02:00:16,499 City Manager if I remember correctly, 1482 02:00:16,499 --> 02:00:21,299 we can request through the county that -- 1483 02:00:21,319 --> 02:00:24,932 their mosquito management they come and do aerial sprays 1484 02:00:24,932 --> 02:00:26,932 and canals. 1485 02:00:27,319 --> 02:00:28,700 >> Correct. 1486 02:00:28,700 --> 02:00:31,607 And Robert already requested that today. 1487 02:00:32,211 --> 02:00:33,503 Commissioner Mallozzi: Perfect. 1488 02:00:33,503 --> 02:00:34,150 Okay. 1489 02:00:34,150 --> 02:00:36,150 Thank you. 1490 02:00:37,342 --> 02:00:38,892 Commissioner Katzman: Two things. 1491 02:00:38,892 --> 02:00:44,559 One, I want to thank our team for putting on Cooper City 1492 02:00:44,559 --> 02:00:46,295 Connect a nonprofit expo. 1493 02:00:46,295 --> 02:00:48,295 It was great. 1494 02:00:48,559 --> 02:00:52,239 Particular shout out to Stephanie from our events team 1495 02:00:52,239 --> 02:00:55,212 knocked it out of the park had a ton of non-profits there 1496 02:00:55,212 --> 02:01:00,319 and if you go to Cooper city.gov/connect you can learn 1497 02:01:00,319 --> 02:01:02,739 about all those non-profits and how you can volunteer even 1498 02:01:02,739 --> 02:01:04,799 if you didn't come to the event. 1499 02:01:04,799 --> 02:01:10,207 Number two on the kindest note there are some middle schoolers 1500 02:01:10,207 --> 02:01:15,111 who are starting the program called Cooper City Kindness 1501 02:01:15,111 --> 02:01:15,623 Club. 1502 02:01:15,623 --> 02:01:17,727 The name is TBD. 1503 02:01:17,727 --> 02:01:25,527 But follow it on Instagram and they just met a few days ago 1504 02:01:25,576 --> 02:01:28,799 and I want to thank our law enforcement 1505 02:01:28,799 --> 02:01:32,700 team for welcoming them in to the lobby 1506 02:01:32,700 --> 02:01:38,700 because it was lightning outside and the next activity they're 1507 02:01:38,599 --> 02:01:42,519 going to have is making bags to hand out to people in need 1508 02:01:42,519 --> 02:01:44,939 and it's a really great opportunity 1509 02:01:44,939 --> 02:01:47,783 to showcase the kindness in our community 1510 02:01:47,783 --> 02:01:51,199 and for kids to be a part of something bigger 1511 02:01:51,199 --> 02:01:53,909 and I'm sure we can give them volunteer hours. 1512 02:01:53,909 --> 02:01:55,909 So thank you. 1513 02:02:03,620 --> 02:02:06,390 Commissioner Shrouder: So Commissioner Smith s Swamp Thing 1514 02:02:06,390 --> 02:02:10,839 reminded me Jennifer Goldfarb behind her house -- 1515 02:02:13,935 --> 02:02:15,362 we did title work. 1516 02:02:15,362 --> 02:02:21,962 We argued over whose it was , fake association and we never 1517 02:02:23,300 --> 02:02:24,520 solved it. 1518 02:02:24,520 --> 02:02:26,670 I would like to send whoever you want 1519 02:02:26,670 --> 02:02:30,204 to send in to clear the thing. 1520 02:02:30,204 --> 02:02:35,532 We have the location and we play public works over who should be 1521 02:02:35,532 --> 02:02:38,799 -- at the end of the day some of these things fall in a gray area 1522 02:02:38,799 --> 02:02:44,630 and it's like an outlet bank to a bigger thing and there is 1523 02:02:44,630 --> 02:02:45,959 a public purpose. 1524 02:02:45,959 --> 02:02:48,920 It's overgrown so I'd like to do that. 1525 02:02:48,920 --> 02:02:53,492 Maybe we can pay Central Broward to do it. 1526 02:02:53,619 --> 02:02:59,190 So let's do that and because it's been years 1527 02:02:59,105 --> 02:03:00,452 and I should have followed up. 1528 02:03:00,452 --> 02:03:06,379 In any of those areas we should just if we can roll through it 1529 02:03:06,379 --> 02:03:10,159 and cut it back and dredge it. 1530 02:03:10,159 --> 02:03:11,745 Whatever it is. 1531 02:03:11,745 --> 02:03:14,380 I'm fine with that. 1532 02:03:14,380 --> 02:03:19,699 And the other one is our building department which we 1533 02:03:19,699 --> 02:03:24,499 absolutely set up for failure with our software . 1534 02:03:25,919 --> 02:03:29,559 I'm hoping you guys are coming up with some plans 1535 02:03:29,559 --> 02:03:33,132 because I got a complaint today about a permit 1536 02:03:33,132 --> 02:03:35,541 and I said I know what the issue is going to be. 1537 02:03:35,541 --> 02:03:38,279 It's going to be we lost staff and then 1538 02:03:38,279 --> 02:03:41,990 you compound that on what we did with our software 1539 02:03:41,990 --> 02:03:46,999 and paid a lot of money and had inspectors pulling 1540 02:03:46,999 --> 02:03:50,745 their hair out and residents that are pulling their hair out 1541 02:03:50,745 --> 02:03:55,770 and it's really our fault. So I'm hoping you 1542 02:03:55,770 --> 02:03:58,875 guys can be innovative in the meantime 1543 02:03:58,875 --> 02:04:01,875 to have the permit staff. 1544 02:04:02,804 --> 02:04:06,292 They can help out the inspectors or whatever we've got to do 1545 02:04:06,292 --> 02:04:08,949 for all hands on deck . 1546 02:04:08,949 --> 02:04:13,772 It's up to you guys but I'm okay paying over or whatever it is 1547 02:04:13,772 --> 02:04:17,591 because we have a deficiency in our process right now with 1548 02:04:17,591 --> 02:04:20,612 our software and we need to figure out how we're going 1549 02:04:20,612 --> 02:04:25,716 to take some of the stress off of staff and the residents . 1550 02:04:25,716 --> 02:04:32,316 I see it online and I know what the issue is. 1551 02:04:38,519 --> 02:04:44,559 But if you guys are okay with it there is some extra money 1552 02:04:44,559 --> 02:04:48,759 temporarily and let's make sure we -- 1553 02:04:49,673 --> 02:04:53,274 >> If you need consensus you have it. 1554 02:04:53,274 --> 02:04:56,299 I want to make sure that's one of the last things I have 1555 02:04:56,299 --> 02:05:00,271 to deal with when it seems it's easy enough just to supply 1556 02:05:00,271 --> 02:05:02,271 the resource. 1557 02:05:08,207 --> 02:05:09,707 Mayor Curran: I do want to apologize 1558 02:05:09,707 --> 02:05:11,379 to you for rolling my eyes. 1559 02:05:11,379 --> 02:05:13,310 Dealing with a headache. 1560 02:05:13,310 --> 02:05:15,310 Wasn't on purpose. 1561 02:05:15,287 --> 02:05:17,539 I have three items. 1562 02:05:17,539 --> 02:05:22,939 One is Miss Michelle, can we do the app, 1563 02:05:23,183 --> 02:05:28,427 can we put that out as one of the things going on in our city? 1564 02:05:28,427 --> 02:05:31,154 I have some residents trying to get on 1565 02:05:31,154 --> 02:05:34,754 and they do the text number. 1566 02:05:34,830 --> 02:05:42,630 Can we put it out on the city -- >> We can do that. 1567 02:05:43,359 --> 02:05:45,759 Mayor Curran: Second item. 1568 02:05:46,719 --> 02:05:48,951 Captain can you take a minute please 1569 02:05:48,951 --> 02:05:51,399 because I know there's some people watching tonight 1570 02:05:51,399 --> 02:05:54,399 and explain the flock cameras? 1571 02:05:54,759 --> 02:05:59,193 I have been getting some calls and texts and called out 1572 02:05:59,193 --> 02:06:04,390 on a couple of apps as far as flock cameras are giving them 1573 02:06:04,390 --> 02:06:08,143 tickets because they were parked on the Swale and that was 1574 02:06:08,143 --> 02:06:12,650 the closest camera and they know the working type thing and just 1575 02:06:12,650 --> 02:06:14,729 take 30s or whatever you need and tell us about the flock 1576 02:06:14,729 --> 02:06:16,729 cameras please. 1577 02:06:16,919 --> 02:06:17,619 >> Absolutely. 1578 02:06:17,619 --> 02:06:21,219 We actually don't have flock cameras. 1579 02:06:21,879 --> 02:06:25,932 We don't have flock cameras here in the city. 1580 02:06:25,932 --> 02:06:29,151 If they received a citation in the city 1581 02:06:29,151 --> 02:06:32,604 it wouldn't have been based on any of our real time crime 1582 02:06:32,604 --> 02:06:33,334 center cameras. 1583 02:06:33,334 --> 02:06:38,814 It would have been on viewed by our traffic personnel . 1584 02:06:38,814 --> 02:06:43,614 Do you know what the citation was for? 1585 02:06:44,199 --> 02:06:46,719 Mayor Curran: Parking on the Swale. 1586 02:06:46,719 --> 02:06:50,319 >> It was probably a code citation. 1587 02:06:50,679 --> 02:06:53,679 Commissioner Shrouder: We don't have any cameras that take you? 1588 02:06:53,679 --> 02:06:59,679 >> There are no cameras in the city that ticket you. 1589 02:07:01,436 --> 02:07:03,190 Commissioner Mallozzi: Out there there 1590 02:07:03,190 --> 02:07:05,479 are no cameras in the city that ticket you? 1591 02:07:05,479 --> 02:07:08,399 Commissioner Shrouder: I think we should stay out 1592 02:07:08,399 --> 02:07:09,212 of the flock thing. 1593 02:07:09,212 --> 02:07:13,892 We are not in Mayor Curran: I'm okay with that. 1594 02:07:13,892 --> 02:07:15,850 The third and final thing a couple of weeks ago 1595 02:07:15,850 --> 02:07:23,500 we had a meeting and we did some back and forth dialog 1596 02:07:23,139 --> 02:07:28,559 but I don't know if it was consensus or not 1597 02:07:28,559 --> 02:07:31,799 but we were going to take on the treasurer financially. 1598 02:07:31,799 --> 02:07:38,839 Does anyone remember that or am I the only one that heard it? 1599 02:07:38,839 --> 02:07:40,339 Commissioner Smith: I remember if it 1600 02:07:40,339 --> 02:07:41,964 was they don't meet the obligation then 1601 02:07:41,964 --> 02:07:44,319 we take the financial responsibility? 1602 02:07:44,319 --> 02:07:47,884 Mayor Curran: We pay for them to bring a treasurer in now 1603 02:07:47,884 --> 02:07:50,884 to get the items done. 1604 02:07:51,159 --> 02:07:57,759 Commissioner Smith: I think it ended with the and or option. 1605 02:07:58,439 --> 02:08:01,287 Mayor Curran: They Need financial help 1606 02:08:01,287 --> 02:08:05,719 to get the treasurer on board to get it done on time in 60 days. 1607 02:08:05,719 --> 02:08:08,543 That's what they're asking for. 1608 02:08:08,543 --> 02:08:12,439 I think they actually went with a company outside. 1609 02:08:12,439 --> 02:08:15,639 Do you know anything about this? 1610 02:08:15,639 --> 02:08:21,999 >> The item was discussed by the board at their August 20th 1611 02:08:21,999 --> 02:08:22,519 meeting. 1612 02:08:22,519 --> 02:08:26,719 Those minutes were summarized by our staff 1613 02:08:27,471 --> 02:08:30,159 and issued a few days after that where 1614 02:08:30,159 --> 02:08:34,959 looking for the recruitment of a club administrator 1615 02:08:36,322 --> 02:08:41,122 also trying to replace a bookkeeper as well. 1616 02:08:41,850 --> 02:08:46,500 But in regards to the treasurer gum 1617 02:08:48,135 --> 02:08:51,593 I believe the mayor is correct and there was some discussion. 1618 02:08:51,593 --> 02:08:58,159 Let us know what you need and we might be able to help you. 1619 02:08:58,159 --> 02:09:02,959 They discuss it their meeting an amount of $75,000 1620 02:09:03,844 --> 02:09:08,644 for the administrator and bookkeeper and the treasurer. 1621 02:09:13,599 --> 02:09:18,167 My recollection is that the discussion that we have here was 1622 02:09:18,167 --> 02:09:21,289 related to the treasurer coming out to the administrator 1623 02:09:21,289 --> 02:09:26,823 or to the bookkeeper but the bookkeeper is somebody -- 1624 02:09:26,823 --> 02:09:33,899 if the Commission is willing to work the treasurer role I will 1625 02:09:33,899 --> 02:09:38,740 say that we need to then be -- 1626 02:09:38,740 --> 02:09:42,572 I don't want to send a check for $25,000 to the club. 1627 02:09:42,572 --> 02:09:47,372 If they have the treasurer will bring it 1628 02:09:47,629 --> 02:09:52,429 and put it on a contract by us. 1629 02:09:55,719 --> 02:10:01,119 The role of treasurer needs to be basically required 1630 02:10:01,585 --> 02:10:03,310 control person. 1631 02:10:03,310 --> 02:10:06,865 The person that if you're supposed to be bringing receipts 1632 02:10:06,865 --> 02:10:09,679 and reimbursements you will sit down and the other one 1633 02:10:09,679 --> 02:10:11,679 have the receipts. 1634 02:10:15,159 --> 02:10:20,439 If somebody was supposed to do a procurement process for anything 1635 02:10:20,439 --> 02:10:24,639 over 10,000 and everything that was done in. 1636 02:10:25,199 --> 02:10:32,299 So this is somebody who's going to ensure that it was actually 1637 02:10:32,299 --> 02:10:33,619 being done. 1638 02:10:33,619 --> 02:10:40,943 I don't know how many hours this is about ten hours a month 1639 02:10:40,943 --> 02:10:42,575 to review things. 1640 02:10:42,575 --> 02:10:45,251 This is not a person to be doing the work. 1641 02:10:45,251 --> 02:10:51,851 The bookkeeper and administrator are going to be doing the work. 1642 02:10:51,879 --> 02:10:56,745 Now whether that ends up being $1,000 a month or $2,000 a month 1643 02:10:56,745 --> 02:11:02,145 that role of the quality control would be -- 1644 02:11:03,972 --> 02:11:10,739 but my preference will be that if we're going to be paying 1645 02:11:10,739 --> 02:11:14,679 for this making sure the work that we need done is actually 1646 02:11:14,679 --> 02:11:21,279 being done and that those 18 items that we need to be 1647 02:11:22,190 --> 02:11:26,219 in compliance with our being complied with. 1648 02:11:26,423 --> 02:11:29,423 Just sending a check for $25,000. 1649 02:11:30,863 --> 02:11:35,630 I don't know that when we support 1650 02:11:35,729 --> 02:11:38,219 that we want to support that with the resources 1651 02:11:38,219 --> 02:11:41,219 to do specifically the commission 1652 02:11:42,859 --> 02:11:48,790 not anything else that they might be working on. 1653 02:11:48,790 --> 02:11:50,572 Commissioner Shrouder: I think it's just 1654 02:11:50,572 --> 02:11:51,679 the cart before the horse. 1655 02:11:51,679 --> 02:11:53,335 We've always been supportive. 1656 02:11:53,335 --> 02:11:57,919 They just need to pick their option Kama get it done 1657 02:11:57,919 --> 02:12:00,404 and I'm sure if they're getting it done we will find a way 1658 02:12:00,404 --> 02:12:02,612 to support them but I know that they're not stretched 1659 02:12:02,612 --> 02:12:03,239 for $25,000. 1660 02:12:03,239 --> 02:12:06,752 I don't think it's a matter where 1661 02:12:06,752 --> 02:12:09,990 we have to front them the money where 1662 02:12:09,990 --> 02:12:12,699 they have those in the bank. 1663 02:12:12,919 --> 02:12:18,623 We're just going to write a check for the insurance. 1664 02:12:18,623 --> 02:12:20,745 Just shows good faith that they're doing it 1665 02:12:20,745 --> 02:12:26,145 and I'm sure we're all going to be reasonable. 1666 02:12:26,559 --> 02:12:30,759 I think we will send the progress. 1667 02:12:33,439 --> 02:12:36,439 That's just my only thing. 1668 02:12:42,691 --> 02:12:44,607 Commissioner Mallozzi: So I believe 1669 02:12:44,607 --> 02:12:48,840 and maybe I'm not recalling properly 1670 02:12:48,840 --> 02:12:51,430 but first it was an either or. 1671 02:12:51,430 --> 02:12:56,559 Going to handle the finances or we will handle that and I 1672 02:12:56,559 --> 02:13:00,119 understand what you were saying so basically it's going to be 1673 02:13:00,119 --> 02:13:02,839 someone to overseeing that everything else was done 1674 02:13:02,839 --> 02:13:09,439 but the easiest scenario is submitting a form to give me 1675 02:13:10,479 --> 02:13:14,650 $1,000 reimbursement but yet I've only handled in $400 worth 1676 02:13:14,650 --> 02:13:17,704 of receipts and then the person that's hired is going to say 1677 02:13:17,704 --> 02:13:22,739 A plus B does not equal C. Fix this, the money's not happening. 1678 02:13:22,739 --> 02:13:24,519 Is that correct? 1679 02:13:24,519 --> 02:13:26,199 That is correct. 1680 02:13:26,199 --> 02:13:31,479 So that person you are saying is we would have no problem paying 1681 02:13:31,479 --> 02:13:34,919 that but they need to be a contractual employee 1682 02:13:34,919 --> 02:13:37,751 of the city of Cooper City. 1683 02:13:37,751 --> 02:13:40,751 That's what you said correct? 1684 02:13:41,212 --> 02:13:45,120 >> I'm saying that person is to be accountable to this where all 1685 02:13:45,120 --> 02:13:49,212 of the right things are being done. 1686 02:13:52,599 --> 02:13:57,999 And all monies would be disbursed through that >> No. 1687 02:14:00,309 --> 02:14:01,684 Still going to have a bookkeeper. 1688 02:14:01,684 --> 02:14:06,484 The bookkeeper will get the invoices and issue 1689 02:14:10,559 --> 02:14:14,299 reimbursements and everything that needs to be happening. 1690 02:14:14,299 --> 02:14:20,562 This person is going to be ensuring that A plus b equals C. 1691 02:14:20,562 --> 02:14:25,983 So if they have receipts for $100 you get a check for $100. 1692 02:14:25,983 --> 02:14:31,359 Three way matching in terms of things that were supposed 1693 02:14:31,359 --> 02:14:33,759 to have been delivered. 1694 02:14:34,449 --> 02:14:36,449 They're there. 1695 02:14:39,430 --> 02:14:42,583 the role as I see it is quality control. 1696 02:14:42,583 --> 02:14:44,983 It's not the bookkeeper . 1697 02:14:49,703 --> 02:14:55,703 This person is basically doing -- everything is fine in. 1698 02:14:59,919 --> 02:15:03,219 One of the things we have in that list 1699 02:15:03,219 --> 02:15:06,945 is this is where this person can be making 1700 02:15:06,945 --> 02:15:09,555 sure all of those things are happening but if not the person 1701 02:15:09,555 --> 02:15:11,555 paying the bills. 1702 02:15:14,982 --> 02:15:17,232 Commissioner Mallozzi: So I have no problem if they're 1703 02:15:17,232 --> 02:15:19,232 a contractual employee. 1704 02:15:21,239 --> 02:15:23,639 >> That's what I'm -- 1705 02:15:25,107 --> 02:15:27,399 Commissioner Mallozzi: If we are paying them in essence 1706 02:15:27,399 --> 02:15:29,525 they need to be under our umbrella. 1707 02:15:29,525 --> 02:15:37,759 So this way we pay them takes it off the optimist and they are 1708 02:15:37,759 --> 02:15:43,159 our employee, our contractual -- >> That's what I'm suggesting. 1709 02:15:47,610 --> 02:15:48,519 Commissioner Smith: Didn't they say 1710 02:15:48,519 --> 02:15:50,847 there was conflict of interest with that 1711 02:15:50,847 --> 02:15:55,470 and there was push back and debate? 1712 02:15:55,759 --> 02:16:00,935 So we brought up under your concern I guess 1713 02:16:00,935 --> 02:16:02,935 here's my question . 1714 02:16:04,543 --> 02:16:08,769 If there's not consensus let's just say or is there something 1715 02:16:08,769 --> 02:16:12,332 waiting on their side because the 45 day 1716 02:16:12,332 --> 02:16:14,470 window started ticking. 1717 02:16:14,470 --> 02:16:21,247 So let's just be nice and just say we are 40 days into 45. 1718 02:16:22,799 --> 02:16:30,599 If we are on 40 days left by onboarding or doing this is that 1719 02:16:30,705 --> 02:16:38,215 going to meet the time frame for them to -- we are locked in. 1720 02:16:38,215 --> 02:16:42,415 Just trying to figure out they didn't 1721 02:16:42,503 --> 02:16:45,503 want for conflict of interest. 1722 02:16:46,519 --> 02:16:50,279 I just don't want to be confused because I thought 1723 02:16:50,279 --> 02:16:54,479 it's either get the 45 day window right 1724 02:16:55,159 --> 02:17:01,159 and or we've got to take over. >> Let me clarify. 1725 02:17:03,295 --> 02:17:05,830 They are asking for money. 1726 02:17:05,830 --> 02:17:10,343 My recommendation is they keep the money and provide the person 1727 02:17:10,343 --> 02:17:14,543 but that's not what they're asking for. 1728 02:17:14,599 --> 02:17:19,399 I'm recommending providing the support under our control. 1729 02:17:21,439 --> 02:17:23,905 Mayor Curran: At the end of the day what is the difference? 1730 02:17:23,905 --> 02:17:25,810 What they're trying to keep the city out 1731 02:17:25,810 --> 02:17:33,610 of as far as whatever it is and whatever their purpose is we 1732 02:17:34,616 --> 02:17:36,444 are going to tie it in anyways. 1733 02:17:36,444 --> 02:17:41,844 You're going to put that on them anyways correct? 1734 02:17:42,390 --> 02:17:43,318 >> Here's a difference. 1735 02:17:43,318 --> 02:17:46,215 I'm not recommending that this person be the treasurer of. 1736 02:17:46,215 --> 02:17:50,145 I think the treasurer can be just anybody in the organization 1737 02:17:50,145 --> 02:17:53,745 that has some level of experience 1738 02:17:57,207 --> 02:18:00,279 but expect the treasure to be this person. 1739 02:18:00,279 --> 02:18:05,365 I call this person an accountant who has hired a bookkeeper 1740 02:18:05,365 --> 02:18:08,365 and could be a CPA. 1741 02:18:11,790 --> 02:18:14,903 Making sure the processes are being followed. 1742 02:18:14,903 --> 02:18:18,216 I don't see any kind of conflict it's 1743 02:18:18,216 --> 02:18:20,519 not going to be going to the meetings. 1744 02:18:20,519 --> 02:18:25,919 The person is not going to be making decisions. 1745 02:18:32,898 --> 02:18:33,398 Smith: 1746 02:18:33,398 --> 02:18:37,478 so our commission meeting happens and we give direction 1747 02:18:37,478 --> 02:18:40,679 and everyone's on the same page and then we have a subsequent 1748 02:18:40,679 --> 02:18:42,679 meeting . 1749 02:18:47,675 --> 02:18:53,750 How this Cross-pollinates into meeting the 45 days and what 1750 02:18:53,478 --> 02:18:56,911 bridge is this right now because in theory 1751 02:18:56,911 --> 02:19:01,520 if what they're asking for is City Manager's saying that's not 1752 02:19:01,520 --> 02:19:06,239 what I'm recommending to do but if we're asking for money 1753 02:19:06,239 --> 02:19:10,647 I would agree is it really money that they 1754 02:19:10,647 --> 02:19:13,450 need because you which I think we all 1755 02:19:13,450 --> 02:19:15,741 agree we were like we're going to support you and how 1756 02:19:15,741 --> 02:19:17,824 do we get you guys there but that wasn't presented 1757 02:19:17,824 --> 02:19:20,388 that night unless I'm confused. 1758 02:19:20,388 --> 02:19:23,119 Probably until they went to their meeting 1759 02:19:23,119 --> 02:19:24,775 they didn't know what they need. 1760 02:19:24,775 --> 02:19:29,575 It doesn't null and void our 45 day window. 1761 02:19:34,843 --> 02:19:36,468 Mayor Curran: That's why they're asking 1762 02:19:36,468 --> 02:19:38,347 for help with the treasurer right now so they 1763 02:19:38,347 --> 02:19:40,747 can meet the 45 days. 1764 02:19:41,390 --> 02:19:43,759 >> So the question is the treasurer as far as I understand 1765 02:19:43,759 --> 02:19:46,763 Robert's rules that comes from an internal grouping. 1766 02:19:46,763 --> 02:19:50,407 You don't have to have any skills. 1767 02:19:50,407 --> 02:19:53,559 Next thing you know you're the treasurer. 1768 02:19:53,559 --> 02:19:59,335 So if we are staying out of that what dollar amount then 1769 02:19:59,335 --> 02:20:00,790 is needed? 1770 02:20:00,790 --> 02:20:02,185 Is it more of what our city manager 1771 02:20:02,185 --> 02:20:06,985 is saying is what they're trying to establish? 1772 02:20:10,173 --> 02:20:12,465 Mayor Curran: Can you come up and explain what you want 1773 02:20:12,465 --> 02:20:13,711 or what you need? 1774 02:20:13,711 --> 02:20:16,599 I understand but it wasn't mine to get grilled on. 1775 02:20:16,599 --> 02:20:19,719 I don't go to any board meetings. 1776 02:20:19,719 --> 02:20:23,919 I've never been to a board meeting. 1777 02:20:27,802 --> 02:20:30,479 >> I sat here whenever it was two weeks ago and was berated 1778 02:20:30,479 --> 02:20:34,999 by this dais about I don't care what it takes, 1779 02:20:34,999 --> 02:20:38,379 you need to hire the people to do what I want done. 1780 02:20:38,379 --> 02:20:41,639 We have spent several hours now interviewing 1781 02:20:41,639 --> 02:20:46,439 ten people for various positions at the club. 1782 02:20:46,465 --> 02:20:49,501 We have narrowed it down to a couple of people 1783 02:20:49,501 --> 02:20:55,147 that will do this as part of being the club, not as a city 1784 02:20:55,147 --> 02:20:55,647 employee. 1785 02:20:55,647 --> 02:21:00,644 The same issues of asking -- to do that is the same issue that 1786 02:21:00,644 --> 02:21:04,959 Alex is suggesting that you guys hire it and it's the same issue. 1787 02:21:04,959 --> 02:21:08,353 You've asked us to fix it. 1788 02:21:08,353 --> 02:21:10,259 I'm interviewing people to fix it 1789 02:21:10,259 --> 02:21:15,790 and you're not giving me any leeway to do it. 1790 02:21:15,790 --> 02:21:17,640 Commissioner Mallozzi: Can I say something? 1791 02:21:17,640 --> 02:21:20,265 >> I have a club administrator we want to hire a new bookkeeper 1792 02:21:20,265 --> 02:21:23,574 we want to hire, I have a treasurer we want to hire. 1793 02:21:23,574 --> 02:21:26,273 These are financial people to do what you want done. 1794 02:21:26,273 --> 02:21:28,170 Let me do it. 1795 02:21:28,170 --> 02:21:32,967 You used to give us $36,000 a year to support the club. 1796 02:21:32,967 --> 02:21:34,591 That has gone away. 1797 02:21:34,591 --> 02:21:36,959 Give me something to support the club so that I 1798 02:21:36,959 --> 02:21:40,559 can fix what you want fixed. 1799 02:21:42,663 --> 02:21:44,455 Commissioner Mallozzi: So the understanding 1800 02:21:44,455 --> 02:21:47,399 that I have is the person we are looking at 1801 02:21:47,399 --> 02:21:49,779 is not going to be the one writing the check, 1802 02:21:49,779 --> 02:21:53,699 is going to make sure that after all the checks are written 1803 02:21:53,699 --> 02:21:56,790 and all the money is dispersed they're 1804 02:21:56,790 --> 02:22:03,879 going to look at the spreadsheet and say all the numbers add up. 1805 02:22:06,420 --> 02:22:07,795 >> We are going above and beyond. 1806 02:22:07,795 --> 02:22:10,293 The treasurer that we want to bring on and hire 1807 02:22:10,293 --> 02:22:12,207 runs a financial management company. 1808 02:22:12,207 --> 02:22:14,143 I am doing this right. 1809 02:22:14,143 --> 02:22:17,599 The bookkeeper that we want to bring on 1810 02:22:17,599 --> 02:22:20,599 does bookkeeping for those organizations 1811 02:22:21,790 --> 02:22:23,425 and is also a local resident. 1812 02:22:23,425 --> 02:22:27,299 The treasurer is a resident of Cooper City. 1813 02:22:27,299 --> 02:22:31,736 The club administrator to do all of the forms 1814 02:22:31,736 --> 02:22:36,553 that you guys have put on us is willing to do it. 1815 02:22:36,553 --> 02:22:39,475 She is a Cooper City resident. 1816 02:22:39,475 --> 02:22:42,569 We are prepared to fix it and you 1817 02:22:42,569 --> 02:22:45,519 need to let me fix it and give me the tools to do it. 1818 02:22:45,519 --> 02:22:47,559 I need financial support rather than simply 1819 02:22:47,559 --> 02:22:51,143 saying we charge every resident another 25 1820 02:22:51,143 --> 02:22:55,943 or $45 whatever it is to make that happen. 1821 02:22:56,599 --> 02:22:58,799 Commissioner Mallozzi: But we are not saying that. 1822 02:22:58,799 --> 02:23:01,924 We are talking about a person to make sure 1823 02:23:01,924 --> 02:23:06,143 that A plus b equals C. We are not talking about someone that's 1824 02:23:06,143 --> 02:23:09,359 going to write the checks or anything like that 1825 02:23:09,359 --> 02:23:11,359 at this discussion. 1826 02:23:14,151 --> 02:23:16,359 >> We are bringing in a professional to do it to make 1827 02:23:16,359 --> 02:23:18,759 this day as happy. 1828 02:23:19,639 --> 02:23:23,187 Commissioner Mallozzi: But I'm not talking about a -- 1829 02:23:23,187 --> 02:23:28,479 we are discussing -- we are talking about someone 1830 02:23:28,479 --> 02:23:32,849 that's going to oversee to make sure that the reconciliation 1831 02:23:32,849 --> 02:23:35,849 every month is done properly. 1832 02:23:36,623 --> 02:23:40,667 That's what we are discussing one step at a time. 1833 02:23:40,667 --> 02:23:43,899 So are you okay with the city putting whomever 1834 02:23:43,899 --> 02:23:46,649 you've decided to fill that reconciliation 1835 02:23:46,649 --> 02:23:51,779 role as a contract employee because I don't see 1836 02:23:51,779 --> 02:23:55,369 a reconciliation having a conflict or any sunshine 1837 02:23:55,369 --> 02:23:57,769 or anything like that. 1838 02:24:01,990 --> 02:24:05,410 >> I don't make that Commissioner Mallozzi: 1839 02:24:05,410 --> 02:24:07,708 Would I just understood is what I just reiterated and apparently 1840 02:24:07,708 --> 02:24:10,708 it's not what you understood. 1841 02:24:10,759 --> 02:24:13,159 >> I requested a contribution from the city for these 1842 02:24:13,159 --> 02:24:16,479 positions so that we could get everything right the way you 1843 02:24:16,479 --> 02:24:18,479 guys want it. 1844 02:24:21,815 --> 02:24:24,232 Commissioner Shrouder: The public perception of us to vote 1845 02:24:24,232 --> 02:24:27,232 to give $75,000 to the organization. 1846 02:24:27,879 --> 02:24:29,679 >> I said up to. 1847 02:24:29,679 --> 02:24:36,279 Because if you remember that was screamed at me last meeting. 1848 02:24:36,604 --> 02:24:38,229 Commissioner Shrouder: I don't remember 1849 02:24:38,229 --> 02:24:40,246 anyone screaming at you. 1850 02:24:40,246 --> 02:24:41,790 >> Pull up the tape. 1851 02:24:41,790 --> 02:24:42,970 I don't care if it costs 75000. 1852 02:24:42,970 --> 02:24:44,970 Get it done. 1853 02:24:45,836 --> 02:24:47,419 Commissioner Mallozzi: Whatever he did 1854 02:24:47,419 --> 02:24:50,419 last meeting was last meeting. 1855 02:24:51,272 --> 02:24:52,772 Commissioner Shrouder: Why don't you 1856 02:24:52,772 --> 02:24:55,790 have the money to get it done? 1857 02:24:55,790 --> 02:24:57,479 What is 75 divided by 12? 1858 02:24:58,167 --> 02:25:00,119 Be reasonable. 1859 02:25:00,119 --> 02:25:06,719 Get all this stuff done and then come and say we are short. 1860 02:25:06,719 --> 02:25:10,573 >> Promise that you won't move the goalposts on us. 1861 02:25:10,573 --> 02:25:12,323 Commissioner Shrouder: Move the goalposts? 1862 02:25:12,323 --> 02:25:14,951 All we do is move it closer to you. 1863 02:25:14,951 --> 02:25:20,951 If you cut back on that you have the money. 1864 02:25:21,265 --> 02:25:22,839 >> I don't want to do this. 1865 02:25:22,839 --> 02:25:26,839 Commissioner Shrouder: What kind of organization is under 1866 02:25:26,839 --> 02:25:29,959 pressure wants to come and ask us for $75,000 more so you can 1867 02:25:29,959 --> 02:25:31,879 comply with federal law? 1868 02:25:31,879 --> 02:25:32,943 It's absurd. 1869 02:25:32,943 --> 02:25:35,553 I'm saying make some headway. 1870 02:25:35,553 --> 02:25:38,639 Do what you got to do and as a favor to the mayor 1871 02:25:38,639 --> 02:25:41,869 I'll support something that is reasonable 1872 02:25:41,869 --> 02:25:47,103 but I honestly think that you are part of the problem. 1873 02:25:47,103 --> 02:25:52,503 So I truly believe -- >> Thank you very much. 1874 02:25:54,790 --> 02:25:57,639 I've been with this organization for 30 years. 1875 02:25:57,639 --> 02:26:00,639 Commissioner Shrouder: Paid or not? 1876 02:26:00,763 --> 02:26:01,491 Which one? 1877 02:26:01,491 --> 02:26:02,455 I'm asking you. 1878 02:26:02,455 --> 02:26:05,172 I don't know because we don't get the numbers. 1879 02:26:05,172 --> 02:26:08,966 >> When is the last time you coached a team? 1880 02:26:08,966 --> 02:26:10,883 Commissioner Shrouder: Probably two years ago. 1881 02:26:10,883 --> 02:26:12,490 But Mike Russo told me -- 1882 02:26:12,490 --> 02:26:16,759 I'm not sure if it's paid with a volunteer a -- 1883 02:26:16,759 --> 02:26:17,939 Commissioner Mallozzi: Stop. 1884 02:26:17,939 --> 02:26:19,379 What are we discussing here? 1885 02:26:19,379 --> 02:26:23,167 Let's get back to what we are discussing. 1886 02:26:23,167 --> 02:26:25,167 Commissioner Smith: I will be willing to do this 1887 02:26:25,167 --> 02:26:26,959 and I'll make a motion if it's appropriate. 1888 02:26:26,959 --> 02:26:32,979 I would make a motion that at the 45 day window as all of this 1889 02:26:32,979 --> 02:26:35,119 comes back to us and is solidified 1890 02:26:35,119 --> 02:26:40,519 to work with your recommendation if there's whatever dollar 1891 02:26:43,499 --> 02:26:47,247 amount that needs as long as it's not a conflict of interest 1892 02:26:47,247 --> 02:26:51,929 for the club as long as it doesn't put us 1893 02:26:51,929 --> 02:26:55,423 in any type of federal quagmires I'm willing to support 1894 02:26:55,423 --> 02:26:58,479 some type of dollar amount that helps them keep 1895 02:26:58,479 --> 02:27:04,467 the threshold but to be very clear so I'm on the record 1896 02:27:04,467 --> 02:27:07,575 I do not want nor will I be okay with putting 1897 02:27:07,575 --> 02:27:09,870 a dollar towards a treasurer. 1898 02:27:09,870 --> 02:27:11,949 That is a volunteered position that 1899 02:27:11,949 --> 02:27:13,799 gets acclimated in the club. 1900 02:27:13,799 --> 02:27:19,199 So if the other two roles are outside paid non-voting members 1901 02:27:19,199 --> 02:27:23,639 and that is something that you see fit that we partner 1902 02:27:23,639 --> 02:27:26,309 with them you have my support and I 1903 02:27:26,309 --> 02:27:29,781 would be willing to do that. 1904 02:27:29,781 --> 02:27:31,239 Mayor Curran: I don't think they're 1905 02:27:31,239 --> 02:27:36,187 talking about hiring right now will be a club member. 1906 02:27:36,187 --> 02:27:38,312 Commissioner Shrouder: How about you figure it out. 1907 02:27:38,312 --> 02:27:39,854 We will support you when it's on you. 1908 02:27:39,854 --> 02:27:43,839 You'll have to come back before us. 1909 02:27:43,839 --> 02:27:46,843 Commissioner Smith: Just from my perspective then 1910 02:27:46,843 --> 02:27:48,371 they need to change the terminology 1911 02:27:48,371 --> 02:27:53,771 and get that correct because that's the issue then. 1912 02:27:54,319 --> 02:27:56,239 >> The issue is terminology. 1913 02:27:56,239 --> 02:27:58,111 You're 100% right. 1914 02:27:58,111 --> 02:28:00,985 A treasurer is a club member. 1915 02:28:00,985 --> 02:28:03,312 It's a position that their bylaws require 1916 02:28:03,312 --> 02:28:09,312 and it doesn't have to be CPA or an accountant. 1917 02:28:09,393 --> 02:28:16,593 So if it worked for us it would be a conflict absolutely. 1918 02:28:23,439 --> 02:28:26,769 It can be done by a professional CPA. 1919 02:28:26,769 --> 02:28:30,342 The person that they discuss at hiring 1920 02:28:30,342 --> 02:28:32,639 is a person that's extremely qualified 1921 02:28:32,639 --> 02:28:34,172 and everybody knows him. 1922 02:28:34,172 --> 02:28:36,935 So I don't have any problem using that person 1923 02:28:36,935 --> 02:28:41,599 to perform this quality control things that I'm talking about 1924 02:28:41,599 --> 02:28:48,199 but is not the treasurer that is required by those laws.