>>
can we
all rise for the pledge of allegiance please.
I pledge allegiance
to the flag of the united states of america
and to the republic for which it stands
one nation under god indivisible
with liberty and justice for all.
>> roll call.
>>
commissioner smith. Commissioner
mallozzi. Commissioner
katzman ,
mayor.
>>
let's go ahead and
do the recognitions and proclamations
if
my fellow colleagues will join me
on the floor.
>> the man that I
have here you will hear some interesting
things about. I would like you
to meet
adam, a bright and talented
student that just graduated cooper
city elementary
school. Adam is currently blazing
trails by taking ninth grade math
. Everybody applied because that is impressive.
he has the first student to
triumphantly finish six, seven, and
eighth grade math while still
in the fifth grade. Excitingly he
will jump straight into
ninth grade math next.
his dedication and hard work have
earned him a record of straight a's
through his academic journey. He proudly
served as student council president
and at the
graduation ceremony he actually pronounced
my last
name properly. That in and of itself
you should get extra credit. He's
a distinguished member
of mensa
. His love for animals is truly heartwarming.
he dreams of creating his
very own zoo aquarium
combining the wonders of terrestrial
and marine life.
with his passion and determination
there's no doubt that adam
is destined
for greatness. He's a phenomenal student.
I don't normally
just give certificates to everyone
but I was
so impressed . That and the fact
that you pronounced my name right.
this is for you
adam balaban
. We
present this certificate for your
outstanding achievements in math,
reflect your intelligence and persistence.
keep going.
now
join
us, please.
>> tonight
we will give
a proclamation to the recreation department. [applause]
my
favorite department. Whereas
parks and recreation programs are
an integral part of the
community throughout this country
including cooper city.
whereas the city of cooper city is
home to 22
parks, three sports complex and over
100 acres
inspiring residence with beauty
and providing countless recreation
opportunities. Whereas
parts and recreation program
provide vitally important to establishing
and maintaining the quality
of life in our community ensuring
the health of
all citizens, contributing to the
economy as well
as the
environmental well-being of the community.
whereas recreation participation continues
family
unity, strengthens volunteerism,
creates community pride and vitality
and promotes
sensitivity and an understanding of
the
culture of diversity. Whereas the
city of cooper city recognizes the vital
contributions of employees
and
ensuring facilities are clean, safe,
and accessible for all city residents
to enjoy. James curran,
mayor of cooper city do hereby complain
-- proclaim
july 2025 as
parks and recreation month.
do you want to come get your picture
taken with
us. No speech?
no speech. Speech?
>>
I will say a few things.
this crew is a reason why it is
an integral part of the community.
each and every one from running the
great events
to providing aftercare summer camps, playgrounds,
ballfields,
this is why.
>> we will move on to
public comment.
excuse me. One second. Let's
go ahead and do pet adoption.
>> adorable little danny is one
of many adorable kittens available
for adoption
at the
humane society of broward county.
just 15 weeks old, she's
curious, playful and ready to be part
of
a family. The shelter has more than
80 felines waiting to be adopted
so now would be a perfect time to adopt.
all pets are spayed and neutered before
going home and
receive a microchip. The fee
is $125 to stop by .
griffin road is closed at the railroad tracks.
be sure to follow the detour tight --
signs to get to the shelter. Danny
is waiting for
you.
>> thank you. Public comment.
mrs. Schwartz.
>>
good evening. I have
been a resident for 26 years.
we've raised our three daughters and
now enjoying grandchildren. I'm grateful
to live directly across from cooper
point park.
these luxuries were taken away from us
four months ago when a neighbor who
did not live in
our circle decided to abandon his truck
and make the roadway his permanent
space. This blocks the kids from
riding their bicycles freely and obstructs
their
traffic view. Additionally sanitation
trucks
have to back out. We have asked
the truck owner
to simply move his truck back to his driveway
which was met with a disgusting response.
have also reached out
to code enforcement. I'm asking for
your help to resolve
the situation
for being a public nuisance. Is there
anything we can do to prevent
the abandoned vehicle in our roadway.
given
that this
is walking distance to the highway
and middle school can we
at least put a sign there that says
no parking during
school hours to alleviate some of
the burden we are facing as
a result of neighbors and considerate
of others.
thank you for your time. We
would appreciate your response and
making cooper roadways
safer for all of our neighbors.
>> you will get your answer now.
>> if you could just meet with the
captain
when you are done she will help you.
thank you.
>> I have a question. Does
anyone object to adding 28
to consent?
>> I
think it needs to be discussed.
>> motion to
adopt the consent agenda.
>> I want to
pull number 14.
and
hold on.
>> you only
get two.
>> no I don't
. I also want to pull number 23
and
also number 25.
and that is it.
>> now can
I have a motion to approve?
>> second.
any questions?
call about.
>> commissioner smith.
>>
yes.
>> commissioner mallozzi. >>
commissioner catherine. Commissioner
shrouder. Mayor curran.
>>
authorizing an agreement between
cooper city for school resource officer services
authorizing and directing the appropriate
city officials to
effectuate the resolution. Providing
for effective date.
the
adam is pulled back.
>> two things.
in
reference to
we have a potential large increase
with
the sheriff
. I saw that in the contract on
206 of the contract. It specifically
said if
there was hold
on. Overtime or replacement deputy
that that is something that they
could invoice, but if I have
to pay x amount over
and above what we are currently paying
that is not something
that was covered. I just want to
make sure . When I spoke to
jacob that he understood my concerns.
I want to be sure that is covered
because
if we have to pay a crazy amount of
money, I don't want
to fall short of what we are charging them
and I want to be able to recoup
that. Part two is in the beginning
it says that
we do this
because bso does not want to enter
into anything with the charter school.
that is great. In the same section
it states that the
sheriff shall invoice them. If the
sheriff can invoice
them for overtime, replacement deputies,
et cetera,
why can't they invoice them
for the entire cost and why am I the middleman?
I know
this was asked and answered before
but I would like it on the record
and a formal letter saying if you
can invoice them for this why
not the whole entire thing and leave
me
out of it. I would like to hear what
everybody has
to say.
>> I have his number. We can call him.
call him up and ask him.
>> why don't
you
do that right now and see if it works.
>> as a point
of information on this as it is written,
I understood this approval to be specific
to the charter school, not to
anything else.
>> the city has had this agreement in
essentially the
same form for the past five years.
commissioner may recall in 2012
when the conditional use was
approved one of the conditions
was to have a school resource officer
on site.
at some point over the years the sheriff's
office made the policy decision to
enter into contracts directly with
charter schools. There are several
schools in the county with these agreements.
essentially they pass a funding mechanism
. They will not enter into a contract
with the sheriff's office. We have
a resource officer. The intent of
the agreement
is to pay the full amount of that
particular position.
that has been the arrangement over
the years.
if the commissioner would like us
to send a letter asking to revisit
I have no objection.
it's the same form agreement that
the city renaissance and sheriff's
office has had to facilitate compliance
.
>> I would like to add a point
of information. If the
sheriff was billing the school directly
and our rates get raised,
we are not responsible for covering
it because
if it is $100 that is what we are
charging
them that's great. If we get billed $120,
this agreement
does not cover that. It does not cover
their increase
in prices. I verified that.
>> the intent of this agreement
is for
renaissance to cover the full cost
of that position to the extent
it is adjusted.
the city would invoice renaissance
or if it were to go down that
lower amount.
I have no further questions
. I am in support.
>>
the commissioner is right. We are
involved
because we have to be. It's not right.
it does not
make sense.
they ask that you move the po box
on their
. With our mailing address.
>> if we do approve this it's the
attachment
will it still be part of that approval.
>>
we can do it but we will just
be paying jacob to mail something
.
>>
I don't think if you can sit there
and invoice somebody in paragraph 22
you can invoice
them now
and I can avoid this ever coming before
me again.
>> I would
ask robin who watches east meeting
and makes note to
make a report and understand why we
don't
want to be involved. This was mayor
ross's point exactly.
commissioner mallozzi
has taken up the
cause. He complained about this every year.
you are right, but it is what
it is.
>> they are taking notes. >> I will
second
the motion.
>>
we will make the changes in the other provisions.
>> commissioner smith. >> yes.
>> commissioner mallozzi. >> no. >>
commissioner katzman.
commissioner shrouder . Mayor curran.
>>
next, again pulled
by commissioner mallozzi.
>> two reasons.
any little bit of art
is a win win. I love that we are
doing the fire hydrants. This is just
going to make it even
better. I also wanted to
forewarn everyone that at the next
commission meeting I will bring back
an item that I had brought up to previous
commissions
about having artwork in the plaza's
.
that way, this might be something for
a business person,
because it can
draw people
in. It will not cost us anything.
I just wanted to
make everybody cognizant of the fact
that is
bringing that back to say this is
a
great step in the right direction.
>> motion
to approve.
>> motion. >> second.
>> call about. >>
commissioner smith. Commissioner mallozzi.
commissioner katzman. Commissioner shrouder.
mayor curran.
>> 25 is a motion to approve the
security lighting in the amount of $89,500
utilizing the contract number
pulled by commissioner mallozzi.
>>
I pulled it because
my husband has issues with l.e.d.s
and their lifespan.
I asked
jennifer if we could check to see
if the lifeboats
were included in the warranty.
if we can have
documentation to that effect.
that way when they do not last their
lifespan if we could say,
replace this. Has it been included?
>> yes.
>> you change. >>
the light bulb itself is not included
but the polls and maintenance of
the fixtures is part of it.'s tenure
warranty.
>> but not on the light bulb.
>> okay. Just fyi
I'm all for the new light fixtures,
but the
light bulbs
,
l.e.d.s they say they are good for
25,000 hours, five years. My husband
has proven in our house that they last
one year no matter what
you do . I think that
if we are
banking our budgeting for these light
bulbs to be
45 years we need to
water but what we are budgeting because
they
do not last what they are supposed to.
>> motion to approve. >> second. >>
commissioner smith.
commissioner mallozzi.
commissioner katzman. Commissioner shrouder,
mayor curran.
>> no.
>> commission, 28 is
a motion to approve for the
optimist club
>>
we do not need a motion.
>>
I will make a motion.
>> part of the agreement allows us
to conduct
. I think it will
be beneficial . Obviously we will have
the manager come up with a scope that
will
be productive to reconcile things
and get
opinions on best practices and stuff.
I think we owe it to
the community.
because the other use agreements required
them
to cover the cost. It will help us
going forward with
the transition
.
>> I just have a question.
with
this encompass possibly
a forensic audit as well.
>> I would make sure
to include .
>> that would be
considered part of the certified financial audit.
>> under contract the city
will determine the scope
if it is needed.
>>
my intent would be forensic.
>> that is fine with me.
I don't know if that is a term of art
.
>>
anybody else?
>> I understand the audit
and it's part of the facilities
agreement. Is it appropriate
to ask what the
piece will look like or
what that means behind it ? Is there
any
further insight on what we are looking
at?
>> the difference
between the regular order and forensic order,
the forensic order is looking
back to if there were 11
-- irregularities.
a regular audit is just
making sure you
are putting the right things in the
right places and doing the
right accounts.
>> okay.
>> any
more questions? Call the vote.
>>
commissioner smith. Commissioner mallozzi.
commissioner katzman.
commissioner shrouder. Mayor curran.
>> am 29 is
a discussion and potential implementation
for disposal offered
by commissioner mallozzi.
>> I will
make a motion.
>> second.
>> okay.
basically
this is how it started.
I was mulching
and it took me a while .
as I am outside for hours
on end in the hideous heat,
I see the neighbor
landscaper coming . He mows the lawn
and proceeds to
blow everything
to the other neighbor.
two days later the other neighbor
comes there landscaper
and it goes back to the original side.
this is constant.
I don't see anyone from code in the audience,
but it's not the first time neighbors
have complained.
there have been wars over lawn clippings.
the
problem I had was when the
lawn clippings are not picked up they
wind up in the street. They
clog the --
I call them gutters but
they clog the sewers. When they are
wet they pose a hazard to cars because
they can't get on them.
they pose a hazard to people that
are walking on them
. We are in the rainy season and we
also
have hurricanes coming or horrible storms.
all of the drainage is
potentially blocked up with something
that could easily
be rectified. When I had
a conversation with the code officers
I said, is this something you can enforce?
they can. They would have to see
it but so many people
have cameras it
is easy to watch that someone is not complying.
I also spoke to people I know that
do lawns. They
said it would take an extra 5
to 7 minutes. What they do now, if
they want to they can put everything
in a pile with their machinery
and just take the pile
and put it in the customer's waste
receptacle. It has an impact on us
financially because we will spend
less
trying --less time with the truck
cleaning out the systems and it could lessen
our chances of having a
hazard for people that are walking
and driving during the
rainy season.
>> what are you asking?
>> my ask is that we strengthen the ordinance
to where it is giving
an arm, for lack of a better word,
to the code
department when there is an issue
and they see people or
one neighbor complaints about the
other neighbor and it's
caught on a ring camera we do have
>> I support that. May
be at another subsection.
you could specifically designate something.
>> we will work
with code enforcement to bring that
for further consideration.
>> any more discussion?
>> if I am recognized.
thank you. Has
our city
ever had this ordinance before to
this level?
maybe through the city attorney.
>>
what is your question?
>> has our
city had this
language prior?
>> I'm
not aware of our city. There's
some cities in broward county that
to
prohibit blowing away of your debris
to protect
from drainage. Hollywood has it and
maybe others
as well.
we could work with code and bring
back
language for the commission to desist --
consider.
>>
call the vote.
>> the other thing
on this. I thought over
the years
about us increasing maybe the street sweeping
and being able to justify that through
stormwater fees
or whatever . The manager has kind
of also
told me it's useless if you do not
have gutters
. Is there some type
,
I think I would like to make the streets
look better.
>> the issue again,
we will work with code on this because
we can certainly
regulate.
>> can the city look, jennifer
said maybe a vacuum thing.
>> we can look
into what else is available.
>> they are
talking about to sweep the streets
and vacuum up
the yard debris.
>> any more discussion
? Call the vote.
>> commissioner
smith. Commissioner mallozzi. Commissioner katzman.
commissioner shrouder.
mayor curran.
>> yes.
item 30 as the
review and approval of the yearly
evaluation
salary increase
. Motion?
>> motion for
discussion.
>> second. >> here we
go. Mr. Shrouder.
>> I
do not think this has a specific number.
there was no
nothing in the backup.
>> it
was a $20,000 race I thought.
>>
there is not that anywhere. On discussion I
think is where
we are.
>> I think 500,000 is not that bad.
just making sure you were paying attention.
listen.
the way that we did it was not right.
I know
how this happened.
eggleston got more money. We had to
to get
greg to
go for alex
we had to write in the negotiation ability.
then he
was going to say yes
so he's down there nickel and dime
in him
because greg thought he was an excellent
negotiator. The reality is the gentleman
with way more years and
in my opinion
doing more to accomplish
. It is just not right.
the only way to make sure greg would
vote for
him was to give the king a crown to
go negotiate it.
>>
may I ask where he was and vice versa?
>>
I believe his starting salary
in june
2023 was
to 38.
>> when I looked at the scale
I thought to 67 was fair.
in fairness, he told me he shot a
lower number .
I looked at the different ones
. I can give
you for example, out the door
we have employees through a contractor
that cost us in
the threes. One of them walking in
the door
what you think is fair
.
>> if I may,
give me the crown for negotiation.
do we have --I'm sure
we do
. Can we confirm 248
was where the prior city manager
salary cap was?
>> I can look at
his contract. It was 247.
>>
all right. I am good
with 248
. That goes from what I see
here. I am not willing to see
267. Maybe
it gives him some room for improvement
and we will see
what he does for the fiscal year change
but that's where
I am.
>> is that like
a 5% raise?
>>
what do you make now.
>> 233
.
234 78.
>> remember,
we hired him as
an intern. What a great negotiator.
>> commissioner shrouder,
I will give you some thoughts behind that.
when you look
at salaries
throughout the county that is provided.
you look at residence, population
and where the salary lines up and
what they identify some additional
benefits which may be through cars
and different allowances. I
think they have us somewhere in
the 34,000 range of residence. Yes,
there are some here that are
significantly less than us and pay
the city
manager my. To show good
faith and at least put the
city manager where
at least our prior
city manager was at that
would be
a good starting place. Understanding that
at
that point you do become more inside
the marketplace with the
city managers. I think that would
at least start off to
be fair.
>> you want to negotiate?
>>
I am a terrible negotiator.
>>
what was the amount you said you made?
>>
238 780.
>>
isis. Can you tell me the amount
of employees that and
up 5% in a
pay increase?
>>
on the merit
list that I gave you I do not think
there was
anyone going over 4%.
>> there is one at five.
I figured you might l. You did not
memorize this? I'm joking.
I thought
somebody said something. I had requested
to see how much money
our employees
, how much of a percentage.
I just got this as
I got here. We had
one at 1.55.
one at 1.3. 33
at 2.0. One at 2.3,
one at 2.07, 2.5,
2.90. Et cetera.
one person
got five.
>>
point of information.
with this
be a
valid question on the
premise of
was their salary restructuring and this
is in addition as raises?
could you give me that information.
>>
answer his question.
be my guest.
>> I want to understand
if I'm looking at equal or if this
is looked upon as restructuring and
then
we give merit on top of that.
>>
there is no need to restructure a
contract. Let me
explain why. Not only did he have
a contract that
he signed, he had an addendum to his
contract.
>> in november that changed
his terms.
>> I am asking the
question on this which commissioner
mallozzi just read
into existence
can you confirm if there,
if that is what restructuring
and in addition these
are raises or are these just the numbers
>> to put it more clearly
the raises or percentage it went up
. Merit, restructuring,
what are the percentages?
>> they very
.
>> that is a huge difference.
the fact is if we were
underpaying employees and it finally
came out
.
>>
even after the pay plan.
>>
the only reason I asked this
the city manager today
was under negotiation because
it was less
than where the last one started at.
I just want to see these percentages here
with where she is presenting.
>>
I thought ryan was
going to answer that.
>> the last time we talked about
that --
I will give you an example.
>>
all I need to know is wasn't more
than we
were presenting.
in addition it was this?
>> remember
last year what percentage of employees
had
an increase for cola ,
it was half of them.
>> I just want
to know .
I guess city manager if you could
direct somebody
.
>> that could basically
compare employees with the peers
.
>>
in addition
.
>> than the merits came in after
it is
restructured.
>> thank you.
>> so
--I cannot hear what you are
saying.
>> in addition
, there were people
at given additional increases of 10
or 20% right before it started
. For those ones I just sat
down on merit
.
this is part of the restructure that
are not
readjusted.
>>
you said people got 10
to 20%?
>> yes. Two people
did.
>> did we vote? >>
you don't vote
on individual salary increases.
>> 35, 34%, 33
. I'm
going from highest to lowest.
>> could
use say what the
lowest was?
>> let
me give you the average. The average was
14.1
.
>> back to me speaking. Several
things. One, I have
an
issue with the increase. There was
a renegotiation in october
about your parachute which no employee
has that .
>> at the time
--
>> can I finish speaking
and then you can go? That is number
one. Number
two, if you look at the reviews they
went
from mine
is definitely the worst because I
gave negatives
and there are people that
are totally enamored with you. They
think you are the next best thing
since sliced bread. There are two
of us
that feel like we are the redheaded
stepchildren. Obviously the
city manager that we get to deal with
and the city manager others
get to deal with are not the same
city manager.
I don't get half the information the
other
people get. I'm not are even
going to bring that
up. More just highlighting that. The
other thing I have an issue with is
the city manager --I
know you are going to back me on this
mr. Katzman.
the city manager gets his vacation
time up front.
the last city manager cost us $30,000
because he left after
the first. Even though he
worked three days after the first,
it was $30,000.
if we are going to negotiate anything
I want
the city manager to earn their vacation
like
the rest of the employees
. It should not be on the taxpayers
if the
city manager stays one day after the year
that they get those
vacation days. I know
you enjoy traveling so I was trying
to work out a compromise
to be fair . If you want to take
them before if you have only earned
five
vacation days because you like to
go
a lot
and you want to go on a 10 day vacation
that
is fine. If for some reason you leave
before
those extra five days are earned it
comes out of
your last paycheck or your parachute
that you have.
>> agree .
>> good. I like that.
I am still not happy about
the race but I know without a doubt
I'm not getting it. At least now
he's going to earn his vacation days
and not worry about taking a
$30,000 bath because the
previous city manager stayed two days
after his
today.
>> commissioner smith,
do you have an offer down there .
>> I put 248,000. >>
anymore discussion?
call the vote.
>> commissioner smith.
commissioner mallozzi.
>> no. >>
commissioner katzman. Commissioner shrouder.
mayor curran.
>> no.
>> we will prepare an amendment.
>> in reference to
him burning his vacation days.
>>
if the manager has any objection.
if you
want to do it through hr that is fine.
>> said
done.
>> just trying to stick it
to her a little bit.
>> thanks.
>> we will work
that out.
>> did you agree on the
vacation days? We will just put you
on the regular employees.
I can take it but if I leave before
I have
come --completely earned the time
it comes out
of my final pay.
>> I know he
enjoys vacation so I don't want to
impede him
going away.
>> I know
what happened before was not right
and
I would not do that so I will agree
with you.
>> thank
you.
>> next item.
>> resolution 21
-- 45 authorizing
the execution of the first amendment
to the
agreement for the development of
strict for the maintenance of island
road
from stirling road shall -- south.
with the intended resolution provided for
an effective date.
>>
motion to approve.
>> second.
>> any discussion?
>> desperately needed. >> I just want
to say thank you.
>> great job. You are welcome.
>> I
think I got george fired for this.
>> anymore?
call the boat.
>> I
thought you were talking to each other.
>>
I was talking and you keep
interrupting me.
>> are you
the only one that gets interrupted
.
>> that
is how it works. I just wanted to
say I want to
thank the staff and apparently commissioner
shrouder as well because this
is a complaint I get from residents
all
the time.
I thank you for getting this accomplished.
>> somebody call
al
and let him know it's done.
>> anybody
else? Call
the boat.
>> commissioner smith.
commissioner mallozzi. Commissioner katzman.
commissioner shrouder.
mayor
curran.
>> next. Establishing that assessment
for
fire assessments in the city.
>> motion.
>> I have
a question again because we don't
know what's going to happen with bsl
what are we going to
deal with? This could potentially
be
an issue.
>>
this is consideration for the letter provided.
>>
we will be okay?
>> we are just going to pay it.
>> if anything happens later on
.
>>
I don't like being strangled
and say I'm
going to pay this.
>> I had a question about
the assessment. If we are being asked
for the 12% raises if we don't pay
the raises, how are
the residence made
whole pain this full assessment.
>>
my understanding, I could be wrong
.
>> you would not be wrong then.
>> if
we go
,
in case armageddon happens and it
doesn't we can
lower it.
I thought both we can.
>> the certified mail
notice requirements. There is legally
a way to
do it. With
the fire assessment ,
you are essentially
setting a ceiling.
>> anybody else?
call the vote.
>>
commissioner smith.
[ inaudible -overlapping speakers ]
commissioner mallozzi.
>> you can't
vote on this.
>> yes we can. >> just
vote.
>> I did.
I said yes.
>> commissioner katzman. >> yes. >>
commissioner shrouder.
>> yes. >>
mayor curran.
>> yes. >>
the resolution for the city commission
of the city of cooper city
adopting a millage rate of 5.845 for
the generator
operating budget services
providing for the establishment of
and the date and time
and location of public hearings for
the millage rate perp
complex, severability.
>>
motion approved .
>>
second. Any discussion?
>> I do not want to do this
lightly. I think we need to make it
clear
this would be setting the right lower
than the
current rate .
>> yes.
>> when I look at my county tax bill
they
claim they don't raise it because they
--
but they do because the millage is decreasing
and they are increasing
proportionally. This is like the fifth
year in
a row they would be lowering the millage
rate.
>> the question I have is
isn't this four dollars a household?
like $3.93 per household.
is this
$40,000?
>> it is
a message.
>> with everything going up
we are still finding a
way to lower the rate.
>>
what I am saying is there is a lot
of cost.
the residents deserve and require
resources. This does not happen on
a little
twist of the nose. At my household $3.93,
thank you.
>>
when you run for office you can say
you
lower taxes year after year.
>> I
know that
prior electives have done that. At
this point, I
think we are looking at a lot of things.
you said we
have to take this serious. Are we
legislatively bound to some type of
income that is maybe
no longer coming through commercial
real estate taxing.
should we be looking at that
because how much will that take away
from
the city income?
>>
at this point the commercial real
estate impact is
not specific to us.
>> these are the things I think we
should have a very significant talk.
I know it's only 40,000.
>> I
will pretend I'm the county commission.
we increase
the fire assessment
which overall
is a more direct billing.
we would receive more
money overall . We are still
receiving more money than last year.
>> my position
with the if anything I
would freeze. We
did not increase or decrease but everyone sees
things are just free out there. If
you
feel that the
wiggle to the
other side
to that 40,000 overall. I get it.
no matter how you look at it you are
cutting the
tax.
>> the rollback
is more.
if we went to rollback it would be
--
>> it 8.7 million.
>> okay.
>>
even though it is negligible it does
show
that we are being fiscally responsible.
every time we approve the contract
.
>> absolutely it does.
>> we just showed
in the contract it was a 10% increase
.
>> when they get
the notices
, we actually lowered the rate.
it is creeping up
a little bit.
>>
I want to make certain. The status quo
,
I just wanted to have that discussion.
>> commissioner smith. >>
yes.
>> commissioner mallozzi. >>
yes.
>> commissioner katzman. >> yes.
>> commissioner
shrouder.
>> yes. >> mayor curran.
>> yes.
>> next rector actively
authorizing the expenditure to concrete
works inc. For the provision
of water , sewer and drainage repairs
taking all action necessary
with the conflict and severability
and effective date.
>> motion
to approve.
>> second?
>> any comments?
>> I have one if you don't mind.
as a matter of public policy
I have to
make you justify a
retroactive approval .
just let me know who is at fault and
we will move
on.
>> let me explain.
this generally involves
asphalt repairs.
we budgeted $85,000. What happened
was the budget and
purchase order were two different
dollar amounts.
the purchase order was
$19,000 .
we were under the
impression the purchase order was
85,000. To give the good service to residents
and restoring the
areas that need to be restored, I
realized
that we have a different po, I stop
the job and basically we stopped everything.
I do apologize about that but I did
not realize about the
purchase order or budget. We will
pay attention a little bit more.
>> I think you are an awesome leader.
I would just
ask that there be a reminder to the person
who had the oversight of the policy
. Essentially we would have done this
anyway but
it just lets us know about the crack
in the system. Just a refresher
.
>> absolutely.
I am the utilities director and city engineer
. I
am basically the one.
what
happens is we are going to train
our employees because in the past
when I realized they could
enroll in the purchase orders and
the budget
. They are paying attention a little
bit more.
>> any more questions?
>> commissioner smith. Commissioner mallozzi.
commissioner katzman, commissioner shrouder.
mayor curran.
>> coordinates for
first reading. 25-09 ordinance
at cooper city
. The good ordinance amending chapter 7
article 4
entitled fire assessments. Specifically
section 7-22
to amend the definition of
tax collector.
>> motion?
second.
I will second it . Any questions?
>> just,
this is just procedural.
>> there is
a companion item. There's a recent
amendment to the florida constitution.
over the years broward county has
acted as the
tax collector for assessments. Under
a recent
change to state law the county has
its first actual tax collector constitutional
office. This aligns the code with
that
new process, changes the tax collector
to
align with that as opposed
to the county. There is a second item
which provides for an agreement
between the city and the new tax collector
office to implement
the collection of the fire assessment.
I would also
ask for a separate motion to approve
that agreement
to provide for the fire
assessment collection.
>> call the vote.
>> so
we will get an audit,
an accounting of the
tax collectors use of this? It seems like
and overbilling.
>> can
we follow up on that?
>> that is not the first? >>
the first
motion cleans up the code. The second
asks for the agreement.
>>
commissioner smith. Commissioner mallozzi.
commissioner katzman. Commissioner
shrouder.
mayor curran.
>> motion for the
agreement with the tax collector.
>> second. Any discussion?
>> further to these notes, the other
question I
was wondering is,
is there a requirement
for this statute
allowing a tax collector to take
the budget to 2% what she collects
for
the county commission . That would
be a
net increase of 70 million more. The
question I had is,
is that also
our 2%.
>> you
know that the statute allows him
to charge .
>> there may not need to be an agreement.
>> we could lose up
to 2%.
>> I understand what
you are saying. I'm not aware of the
need to have
any discussion.
>> on this we
can lose up to 2%.
we may not have to
sign the agreement. The county commission
told me they talked to the
tax collector.
they use
the cost of 12 million to operate.
70 million more it
will cost the county because
they have the county to pay on there's
I just want
to be sure the department double checks
that statute.
>> imagine every city having to do that.
>> this is when we are talking about
cutting taxes
. We have to look at the big pictures
surrounding us.
>> I
am yes on this agreement. We should confirm,
if it gets too costly
--
>> that is what it will
cost us. Call the question.
>>
commissioner smith . Commissioner mallozzi.
commissioner katzman.
commissioner shrouder. Mayor curran.
>> item 36. First reading of
the ordinance city code of ordinance
for article 2 entitled signs.
temporary signs
authorizing certain temporary signs
for sponsors
of the club establishing
the sponsorship sign program for restrictions
and regulations of proved temporary signs
for severability and effective date.
>> motion. >> second.
>> any discussion.
>> are you good? >> commissioner.
>> thank you. Just pointing out .
there
is an
item in there. I think this is the one
. Basically my understanding of this
is that they
can only, the banners can only
be in the color that the organization
uses or
decides to use?
>>
the plan
is what color schemes
are approved
and then execute that.
>> my only
thought on
that is particularly looking at it
with
the optimists, noting how the schools
do it, most
of the
organizations are people who sponsor
these kinds of things
don't have the
ability to create multiple ads in
different color schemes. If we are
going to approve it we have to approve
it based on whatever
measurement guideline
you would assume
that if the business
colors are red, white, and blue
they will do a red, white,
blue add. I just want to be clear
of my intent supporting this.
we cannot limit color use
. Obviously we will limit
anything that is offensive or anything
like that.
>> to
clarify on that,
those unique colors
are if they are going to do a framework
porter. Cooper
city high school has the red and black
scroll around the signs to
give them a uniform look. That
is what that is written for.
if
it is jan's housecleaning services
and her colors are completely different
that
is the interior part of the
sign.
>> I appreciate the clarification.
>> it will be business --business
as
usual. Whatever
the packages will be uniform.
>> correct.
they will come up with an exterior board
. The interior part would be up to
the
business or the logo .
>> really no changes.
we are just approving it
.
>> the banner had specific sizes
and locations.
>> anymore discussion
on that. Call the
vote.
>> commissioner smith. Commissioner mallozzi.
commissioner katzman
commissioner shrouder. Mayor curran.
>> yes. >>
item 37 ,
chapter 23 of the city
code of ordinance amending article 5
, section 23
,
eight foot maximum hedge height
for severability and
effective date.
>> motion
.
>> second. Any discussion. Call the vote.
>> commissioner smith
, commissioner mallozzi. Commissioner katzman
, mayor shrouder
--commissioner shrouder. Mayor curran.
>> yes. >> 38.
45-12 and ordinance
for the city of florida development standards
amending article 2
. Section 25-23.
construction, maintenance and location requirements.
providing for conflicts, severability,
effective date.
>> motion. >> second. >>
any discussion?
>> I do. >>
I just want to say we tried
doing something like this
several years ago. It did not come
to fruition.
right before this was shown
to be on the agenda I received a call
from a
business in a shopping center saying,
what can we do to get assigned so
people passing by kancey we are in here.
I said, it's funny
you should say that. It's actually
coming on the agenda.
she was going to tell all
the other businesses because they
made her the person to call me. I
know that businesses want this
and a lot of them need this, especially the
small ones because you
are driving by not knowing.
depending on the monument
and everything else, everybody has
a
better shot. If you can
get this into one business
you will get them in there.
>> called the vote?
>> I just want to say I support this,
but I would prefer and
the examples the version that is on
page 2 for a cleaner look
. These are
professional businesses that can pick
their colors.
this is basically
white
on black, white on gray.
>> they could still have
their design for a uniform and
color scheme .
>> nobody has them now.
>> there was one approved
just for the
test.
>> the center has
round signs to the name of
the center
, not individual tenant families.
>> do you understand
what the commissioner is asking for.
>> using the tenant panels to
be a matching background color
. They would still be able to have
the trademark font and design
but no color.
let's say I wanted to do baskin-robbins
if it said white lettering only I could
not have peeing,
purple, and blue.
>> I think we are
in agreement.
>> I just wanted to thank
community development
. The residents that are speaking
on behalf
of businesses. Great job to the commission
to
look forward with the businesses
in the community to help them out.
I know this is a big deal so full
support.
thank you.
>>
commissioner smith, commissioner mallozzi,
commissioner katzman, commissioner shrouder,
mayor curran.
>>
yes.
>>
article 9 cost recovery amending
cost recovery
.
the site plan amendments to
include recent amendments
. Provided for severability and affect date.
>> motion. >> second.
discussion. Commissioner smith.
nothing.
>> commissioner shrouder.
>> anybody else. >> commissioner smith.
commissioner mallozzi.
commissioner katzman. Commissioner shrouder.
mayor curran.
>>
two reports. One just to let
you know we had a meeting
. The public works for the city
of pembroke
pines. They have been working for
a while with broward county
. The proposal
is that broward
county will take over
the maintenance
of sharing the street between pine
island and university.
with the quid pro quo they were
--pembroke pines will take
pine island because they want to have control
on the road. Our only responsibility
is a hedge
that is driving along the south side
of sheridan
at the boundary
. It meanders around the hedge.
the top of the hedge is
the city and the other half
is at pembroke pines.
we would take that responsibility
for
that edge pick it is in
really bad condition. They are coming
to the disagreement which
at this point is all
discussion only.
they will trim everything. They will
replace all of the material that has
died
or decayed . There will be a contract
which will be responsible
for maintaining the hedge
.
>> why do we want to?
>> what is the back story
on this?
>> first,
hines wants to make a deal with the county.
the county says we won't take it unless
you
take some of ours. That is in cooper city.
pines wanted it for their residence.
they were always
maintaining the hedge. Now with the mixup,
to make a deal we are now taking over
.
>> they are taking responsibility
for sharing
that between pine and university.
>> who does it now?
>> right now it is ours.
>> this is on the same thing. What
does that take
over.
>> they will be taking over
any
maintenance responsibility
for the road in that section.
>> that is not making
sense to me.
I feel like they probably did not
give you the whole story
but I feel like it is a trick.
at one point they were trying to get up
to give up that land
and re-annex it to him.
that does not make any
sense to me . Doesn't montero maintain it?
>> from university
to pine island
. We are
not maintaining anything over there.
we don't maintain that road.
>> I
understand it is in cooper city.
>> I do not believe we
did anything. Did we do
anything on sheridan.
for two weeks we
drove past.
I think they maintain that. It all
--
the whole thing looks horrible.
the county handles the road.
who does
sheridan between university and pine
island?
>> landscape
. Maintaining the road.
this is just the maintenance agreement.
>> commissioner shrouder.
one of the directors
, what will
you say?
>> that
was the old agreement.
based on the formation
that we received from
the county, so the county can take
over that roadway to give you that
roadway back.
>> this is exactly how
we got sterling roadway.
>> this requires commission approval.
>> can
we get more background.
although they have been maintaining
it.
>> they are
saying that
.
>> they've been
maintaining forever.
>> there
was a bike lane that went in. There
were some
areas were dedicated
for multiple segments
. There are a
couple of segments that come up to
the right-of-way.
>>
I know that
mike bailey had sketches drafted where
that was supposed
to go back to the county after
.
>> the county has been maintaining
the actual road
. They have now determined they should
not
have been. Is that what you
are saying?
>> it was not supposed come in
.
>> now they are
claiming it is. Now
they want to take back what they are
already maintaining
.
>> it sounds like
from what the city manager said is that
pembroke pines is going to take that
responsibility from the county. Is
that correct?
>> pembroke pines
wanted hein island
.
>>
this was first
engaged in 2019. There was conversation
going on
involving the
d annexation issue.
>> correct.
>> just for the commission and knowledge
,
they approved a conflict waiver and
outside council will work on
that
. I have not been involved in any
of this discussion. I do not have
more knowledge than I just conveyed.
I
would hope that it would remain
in place with the commission
prior approval.
we
are not giving them any land.
>> we
were
handling this.
>> this hedge that really benefits pines
benefits the residence.
we will do what you want and make
it look nice.
broward county was maintaining the road
. It
sounds like broward county found out
they should not
have to do that. They want to take
back what they've and maintaining
. They will take
it back in exchange for doing something
with the hedge. I think we should
get more information
on that.
and who does
the median?
we need more information
.
>> I know it
does not seem like a big deal to everyone
that is retaining. It is like a
bait and switch in a way. We should
have a little
further insight
. We did not agree
to it.
we are still doing it.
they will never pay a recurring cost
on
it again.
we will handle the speed limit signs
. You can't make your own
speeds anymore.
>> so you are coming back.
>> no direction
right now.
>> the other one is just to provide
an update
and try to get support for us
.
you will receive
their conservation letter from bso
.
as you know we've basically said
that we required bso to stay
with them with the agreement that
we had.
when those letters
were sent ,
there is no negotiation here.
you take that position,
thank you very much but go back
with you
guys. Those are now looking at
different options in
terms of why they will be doing that
in the future. Given
the position they have taken
they have not gotten back to us with
any proposed contract
.
we
sent a notice to review the contract
a few months back.
the contract is
expired at the end of the year. We expect
, I
heard through the grapevine
that they are not looking to set up
the 5% capitol.
they
are basically open in the contract
for whatever
to give their employees
the pass-through to cooper city
without any input on those negotiations.
I think for fiscal year
26, we have budgeted
what they are asking for.
we will try to continue to ask questions
in terms of
the details and
consideration letter. There are a
lot of individual line items that
don't make sense in terms of overhead rate
and the rights
they are charging
for the benefits
. It's an
overhead rate and a payment to the
general fund
what I've got
,
I'm not paying for the full overhead
. If
it costs x amount of effort
,
that is one
thing but the cost of the sheriff
is really --he
does not get paid any more or less
. We are still trying
but I think in the long term
what is the
best way to provide services
. Now
that we are going to exercise
these options
with the approach that they have right now
. It is a one-way direction where
they say this
is it . I do not go over
the long-term
.
they are not really
trying to solve that. The approaches
there is
a problem and we will try to find
the solution . That is one approach
but they are
not following that. We already know
what the solution is and he's the
cost
of that. My intent
is to begin to work with staff and
everything else in neighboring cities
and find out
what options are
there.
>>
let me preface everything for
anyone that does not know this but
know that I support law
enforcement and
our fire department 1000%. Anyone that
does
not know that my husband has been
in
law enforcement for 30+ years. I
know my ins and outs than I care to
even think of. Second, I support
our deputies 1000%. I think they are
awesome and the
fire contingent as well. What I
don't support is the sheriff. I can
think of a few choice words but I
will be nice. What
I want, you are looking for what we want,
I don't want to be
only looking at if I partner
with hollywood pines or davie
.
in my opinion, this is just my opinion,
we
have the facilities, the cars.
if
I want to partner with coral springs
and they want to give me
extra men and they are here, I don't
know if there is
a legal issue but I did a little research.
I was
told you could do it
if you get permission. I'm not an
attorney. I don't profess to
being a attorney. I don't want to
limit myself to negotiating with
just three cities because I'm being
held over a barrel.
I don't like bullies.
I got into politics because I don't
like bullies.
I will start tolerating them at this
point in my life.
unless sheriff tony can give me an
itemized forensic audit
as to why one plus
one he does two
--
one plus one equals two
he should not
get any increase. What he's asking for
I think is above and beyond without
any other proper backup
we've been asking for for years. Even
the
county does not get it. I've spoken
to steve geller
on more occasions than I can count
and I feel his frustration. They
don't answer
to us. I understand that but it does
not make it acceptable. You have a
contractual obligation. I
understand that costs one up but you
also made promises
to people during your campaign
. That apparently is on the back of
my residence.
don't make promises you can't keep
with my pocketbook.
that is unacceptable. Anything you
can do. Again,
I love you guys I
think you are awesome. I think you
are great,
but if I have to privatize to save
being strong-armed because it is what's
best for
my city and my residence, that
is a step I'm willing to take.
I want what is best for my residence
and I
don't want to be strong-armed. I have
to be
able to know what costs are
. Just saying we will
not have a contract in the future
scares the heck out
of me because you have me over a
barrel. There are plenty of people --
in my opinion we can take --
all the deputies in the city
bring them, keep them, have a nice day.
not literally
kidnapped them. Bring them.
that is the reality.
if we need to get permission for something
then get it.
I think in all honesty
we need to make sure everybody thinks
that way.
that is the
end of
every single day.
if I have to work within a budget
so does the sheriff. Thank you.
>> some questions.
clarifications.
the contract year
with that
be september 2025
is there any
meeting or invitation or anything
that is
supposed to happen .
I feel that other officials have
met and spoke to the leader
of the organization. Are we expecting
that here? Do you expect that with
your constituents?
>> from the city managers association
to the meeting with the sheriff's office.
I believe some
people have been able to meet with
the organization
. I do not know any that have actually
met
with the sheriff.
with the sheriff the only meeting
we had was in april
. He invited us.
some of
these top command people were there.
>>
outside of the city manager association,
have you or staff
asked him to meet with you, your staff?
>>
we
can try .
>> okay.
I like that.
there is a premier service
for law enforcement and fire. I do
not and would never support privatizing
. If the
municipality of cooper city decided
the betterment
was to go back to the business model
that is different
but I will not be looking to hire
but
a hospital district tires,
some organization that was privatized.
>>
one can. Can
you explain that a little bit?
>> I have
a point of information to what you just
said. You said you
are okay but not to privatize. I consider us
if we
had to that is what I
considered.
>> that is not
what the term is identified as.
>> I just want to clarify. If cooper
city will have their own police department
that is what I meant.
>> I think you
meant private organization. I do not
want that. I apologize.
>> mayor,
your question to me
was there is split services
providing police service, law enforcement
protection.
I do not
want to assume. I want to ask you
. If you
are talking about split service you
look for one of the
services provided so you have an idea
of
what you are thinking in your concern
of pivoting.
>> I think one is easier than
the other . I think the
fire service is easier. The complexity
with the different branches
and
the fire service network
agreements
in cities.
>> I can
only speak,
while I speak for myself
. The issue was the concern for
the leadership position
that needs direction from us is the concern
. Not the cost today but the position
of cost
. Is that where the line is?
>>
that is what I'm concerned about .
even if
you have a contract, the position
he is taken
when he determines there
is a need for change.
>> understood. The way
it goes
until september 30, 2025 ,
is that,
is he living in that
contract means and then you are receiving
a new proposal that
then
presents what you just specified?
as the leader deems
he is going to render that cost
no matter what the contract says?
>> that is what he put those
in.
>>
he says no. I need to do this now.
>> and so,
for us as the electorates
that have to
give some direction when we will receive
back from
you notification
when we have to start having further
discussions
because they have not responded.
is this something we are talking within
the next 48 hours out
of your office we will have an invitation
to
come and speak or however that
will work?
>> I will coordinate with
the mayor.
we will do that.
we do the analysis and start doing
the legwork . It is going
to take time
. Fortunately we have some good resources.
we
will be talking to them
more individually.
it
is probably better to have that feedback
>> any
discussions between your self
and the advisory board?
thank you.
>> so, I kind of
want to echo a lot of the points commissioner
mallozzi
made about the lack of
accountability and transparency. First
of all,
I want to commend the team
. I should recognize I 100%
support the law enforcement and
fire team. It's not about you all
individually or your teams that
serve cooper city
. I do think there has been a lack
of transparency and
it has been unprofessional to not
show up and support your contract
cities. The city managers are the
ceos
of the
contract cities and should be respected
the way the sheriff wants
to be respected.
I'm also concerned that the lack of
transparency in the budget is
due to waste. We see what is going on
publicly. With
the fact that
doge is about to
investigate the sheriff according
to sunsentinel.
we should be concerned and I
support you doing that. In prioritizing
the
fact that our residents demand
the highest level of service in our
public safety. That and passing the budget
are our to
only jobs if we had to pick two. Thank you.
>>
my favorite employee at the sheriff's
office is robin. I will
say this . We have
a hat to put on
for the best interest of cooper city
. I
plan on providing the best law enforcement
. I think the
sheriff's office does a great job.
if we were ever forced to leave
I would also
not want to privatize.
I hope that is not the
case because I do not plan to hire
police or firefighters.
I think in
the past we have shown that we are
serious about public safety. We have amended
our contracts, adding resources
but we've also shown
that we want to be serious participants
in our public safety policy. The sheriff
is a very
smart man. He's a doctor and I think
he understands we cannot sign a contract
with no caps. Especially on
the heels
of the state talking time and time
again about
reducing or getting rid of property
tax. Even if we know it's
not realistic. Every bit of
the conversation has been about reduction,
going the other way. Right now we collect
$25 million or $26 million
in property tax . We just have to,
I am hoping you get a
call and they want to come negotiate
like they've done every time.
we are always willing to pay fair
market value but if not
and they need to go a separate direction
because
maybe they have other things they have
to worry about them
we will have to do whatever we need
to
do to supply that same level of excellent
public
safety to residents. Hopefully it
works out
.
>> I will
and
that by saying this. The bar has been
set for public safety in
cooper city. The residence
demand it.
nothing
gets them here quicker than talking
about changing colors of fire trucks
or
police cars. He has created a market
that is untouched by
anyone else . With all I have
I hope that they come
to the table and do the right thing
for the residents of
our county and cooper city. That's
where I'm leaving that for right now.
city managers report.
>>
I am done.
>> commissioner concerns
. Public input.
commissioner smith.
>> thank you. In this
moment I want to say welcome
to our new lieutenant. I've
been receiving updates on what is
going
on in the city that is pertinent to us
and I
appreciate that. Communication is
a big deal
and if hit the ground running. Thank
you for that
and welcome. Thank you to the staff
and thank you for putting
in the hours so we can make the
right decisions for the city. I yield.
>>
commissioner mallozzi.
>> welcome.
I hope you get to stay
and I mean that in the nicest possible way.
thank you to staff because budget
season is miserable
. It is
extra long hours so I appreciate all
that you do. By the time
we meet again I believe school will
be in session
. If I could ask
the city manager
to approve my asking mr. Cabello to
be sure we
put some announcements out there about
traffic patterns, no parking or
staging in the street, watch
for the children that will be walking because
while
I think everybody will remember,
there might just be that one person
that goes zooming down.
everything we
can do to let everybody know what
is going on and remind them
about it. I hope
everybody enjoys the rest of their summer.
>> commissioner katzman. >> thank you.
one softy and one business item. I
want to thank the team . Everybody
has been working really
hard this summer. We had
a sinkhole, we have had
the finance team, parks and rec,
every single department has been
working nonstop. We
appreciate you. The business
item I have, we alluded to this in
the
last meeting in the
budget meeting. I think we need to
address the
fpl issue. A lot of people
have given -- been complaining that
the power surges are
damaging their appliances.
we discussed a resolution directing
the city
attorney's office to draft a resolution.
voting on
it tonight due to the timing
and knowing the next meeting is not
until the end of august.
>> I would ask for a motion
to adopt the resolution
as drafted
by the city attorney.
>>
that would be consistent to the budget
issue earlier.
we will provide that to you.
>> just send a copy to the public
services commissioner. Inc. You.
>> I will second that. >>
call a vote.
>> commissioner smith
, commissioner mallozzi,
commissioner katzman, commissioner shrouder,
mayor curran.
>> commissioner shrouder. >>
nothing.
>> thank you
staff, everybody, everybody online.
we will go to
citizens input.
>> there were some budget items
in the budget that I wanted to bring
up. How
does that get added? Is that another opportunity?
>>
just the line item concerns.
>>
sounds good.
>> do you want to do
that now?
>>
kassman brought up
homeowners association
enforcement.
I don't want to add
a whole person but I figured we should earmark
some money to do a
test on that.
code people cost like
200 so we can't do that,
>> if you hire a crossing guard it
would come
out cheaper. Another thing
to coordinate a little bit more .
they use to handle it but now they
got stripped
with commercial vehicles.
we can't
double the code budget but what do you
think would be a reasonable amount?
the other one
the pet project was the
twist thing.
we gave her a line item
.
he said he was going to give me the
20
but it only gets spent when we use it.
>> she says
10 to 20.
>> anything to do with
the police they love to do it.
>> that was easy.
anything else?
>> come
on up.
>> good evening.
peach lake the current president
of the [ inaudible
] club.
I know that
we spent four or five months negotiating
the new operating agreement. When
we
met I understood the that it was
so we all can work better together.
we've had the document
signed for maybe
four, five, six weeks. I thought
I would bring a summary of what's
happened so far. The club
has hired an attorney
. We are rewriting
our articles of incorporation and bylaws
we are
rebidding insurance based on the new
requirements. We are adding
checks and balance policy
or program to the club.
we have a cpa stepping up to be the
treasurer
to work with the bookkeeper to put
policies and procedures
in place.
we offered commissioner shrouder to join
us and
help us make the policies and procedures
although he said it may be
a waste of time he still said that
he would make an effort
to do it. We
are working to standardize the sponsorship
. We are
working to standardize the banners
and we are testing
the
rec program with the softball program.
with also happen with the
new agreement ,
you guys have ordered an audit of
the property.
commissioner shrouder has asked
for bank statements
. I offered backup information because
bank statements without
backup information
is kind of shooting in the dark.
he did not want the backup statements.
now I understand he's
putting together a list of questions
on bank statements that could have
been answered with the backup information.
we had an accusation that
we are purposely telling parents
not to sign up on the rec track
program purposely. Farthest from
the truth. We have
emails glory going back and forth
trying to figure it out
because it is not going smoothly currently.
we had a request
from the rec
department that any and all issues
that
occur should be reported to the city.
we agree when there's
an incident and an injury
a form should be filled out and sent
to the city
.
a request of any incident. A shouting
match or
coach being ejected from one game,
everything should be reported to the city
. Very
difficult to do
>> can I ask you
a question
>> [ inaudible - low
volume ]
>> I
get notified by optimist members
of resident saying different things
took place
where a kid was kicked in the face,
fighting over a ball
, a parent was threatened by a coach.
when incidents like this take place
we need
to be notified before the residence
start to call
in saying something and our partner
has not
told us these things took place. I
spoke to them today and we
went over in detail things that we
would like. When there is
an incident with a shouting match
or anything where somebody needs to
be ejected from the school
or fields we need to be notified whether
a simple email or text message that
something has happened . If the
police are called we should be notified.
I could not --
should not find out from a parent
passing me in the park.
I should already know.
>>
maybe the city should have
a
representative to watch what goes on.
I don't know. It is difficult to
say a coach shouted out a parent
so we suspended the coach for a game.
I
don't know.
the most disturbing thing that
has occurred. In a meeting with commissioner shrouder,
he believes the current leadership
of the program adds
no value
to the program.
>> those were your
words.
>> those were
your words. We are
going to do our best
to work as we were proposed to,
to make this new agreement work
and work together in a better fashion.
if
at any time this commission feels
we are
not providing an adequate service
anymore
and you want to go somewhere else
tell us and we
will find a way to wind down the
programs. Otherwise
this is
in four or six weeks. We are
spending money, we are
trying to make a ton of changes. We
have bank
statements, audits, accusations,
telling people not to use
rec track .
we are
currently in this for the long run,
we want to make it work. Some of you
know some of
this. I don't think any of you know
all of it. That is where we
are as of today.
let's hope
we can move forward in a friendly
and cooperative manner.
>>
I would like to respond to some
of that.
I was going to try to be positive
suggest
to give a small example. Under the
agreement adopted
when we left the workshop it said
they would be subject to
the same as us. They had a
concern when the language came out
that anybody could request your text
message
and anything . So through the manager
they
were pushing to limit that language.
the manager
asked me and I said I do not agree. Finally,
against my better judgment
the manager convinced me to say financial records.
same public records laws as
us. Of course, three agreement
is executed and I ask for public records
and I am told no.
so then I have to go to the meeting.
when I go to the meeting amongst all
the other things that happened,
two sports pass out budgets
. I am looking at the budget.
they say don't take pictures.
they vote
on these
and want them back . While they argue
with me I hear this noise in the background
going the whole time. It clicks.
I said, are you shredding documents
. I said, why would you.
they vote, they pass the budget. They
vote on them and shred it .
>> that is not the entire story.
>> maybe
appointive information. Is at
least a copy provided in the minutes
so that way
if joe public wants to look at it
they have it.
>> it is open for
public ex--- inspection.
>> I told you that. >>
I'm concerned. The investigator from
the state
said they asked for minutes and you
had no minutes
for many board meetings.
>> I cannot tell you
what has happened with the past president.
under my leadership minutes are being taken,
reports are being kept.
>> why would you be allowed to have
a budget that
is in the minutes but I cannot take
a picture.
>> that has been
our policy. You want a copy of it,
ask for it through the
channels. Right now all of the requests
are
coming from you .
>> remember
we had this discussion.
>> you told me I'm
the only one that complains. We had
this discussion. The role
readopted said all financial records
shall be open for
public inspection pursuant to the
same standards.
that doesn't mean the city. Anyone
from the public can
request it. I told you there is an
organization called
optimist international that post their
budget online so I
don't know why it has to be
secretive. The assistant director
was at the meeting. Where
they not shredding the will time.
>> shredding the
whole time.
>> the copy is maintained for the
public in the
record.
>> as long as there's a copy
maintained you don't need 40 copies.
>> I can't take
a picture.
>> I do not agree with
the photo.
I am going to agree with you
on the photo but I'm also to agree
that a copy of
the budget in the minutes works. Anyone
that wants it can have it.
>>
I did not come here to argue. I'm
not
arguing for anyone.
we just listened
to pete give us a list
of things he and his current board
or current
people are working on , things that
they have accomplished
in the past couple of months to try
to
bring everything up to
a standard that is what we are
looking for. Those are my words and
I'm
paraphrasing. First, thank you.
for what you have done so far
because there is nothing
wrong with saying thank you for attempting
to do right.
it is not done. They
are not saying it is done but it's
a step in the right direction. I also
want to clarify I had
a conversation. Yesterday I believe
because in
their defense or an
softballs defense, I've gotten complaints
that at the time
three
forms of photo I.d. Were needed to register.
three forms of I.d. An
electric bill, water bill, drivers
license
to say
your cooper city resident. I said
to the city manager,
I understand what we are trying to
do.
we want to make sure the people that
are actually residence our
residents, not people
registered at the address that we
know is bogus. But
I said to the city manager
if I go to
the city clerk office and try to get
a passport,
a united
states document that will allow me
to travel outside of the
united states. I only need if
I remember correctly one form of photo I.d.
in addition to the passport photo.
I need one form
of I.d. I asked the city manager.
they are having problems with people navigating
the website because it
is asking for three forms of I.d.
to register for
girl softball which in my opinion
was a little excessive.
I said to the city manager can we
change the wording on the registration
to say
you will be asked for your
drivers license, form of a photo I.d.
showing you are a
cooper city resident and somehow
, leave it up to jacob to figure
out the language, right if we need
additional proof
we are entitled to ask for it
before everything is done. He
said, logical. Good, done,
I also asked because
the commissioner of softball is not
getting any
reports. I said can we make it so
he gets a report every
two or three
ditch days. Apparently josh was already
on it and has it
somehow in the system.
they are slowly working
on their end. We are working
on our end. Give them breathing space.
and you,
kudos to you
for agreeing to work together to
come to
a better policy, better procedures
that will be great for
everyone. Great for both of you for
agreeing to that.
>> difficulty with the
rec track at the moment I believe
is
we are changing 30 years
of habit .
telling everybody sign up at the optimist
club
and you are in.
our softball commissioner has sent
emails
and everything out. It is hard to
change
human habits. We are working to get
everybody to do it .
it does not happen in the snap of
a finger.
josh is working with us to
try to make it easier but it's not
because
we are telling people not to do it
. It is hard to change the habit of
so
many years.
>> I believe the
operations to them. I just want to
know, do you
guys agree
that the financial records are subject to
the same standards
as public records.
>> I will tell you
I have gone
through perplexity and everything about
our bank payments
part of standard
financial disclosure statements. It
says no and everything I've
researched. Everything.
I am willing to work with the commission.
we are not hiding stuff.
I stood up here and told
you individually, I will tell you
I am unable to
find it out
of every source I can go to
that supposedly gives us all the answers
today they
all say it is not the standard
part of
financial disclosures.
>> just fyi
and jacob tell me if I'm wrong,
as a 501(c)(3),
and I believe I gave someone this explanation.
I can live in california and
pick you out of a hat and say,
cooper city optimist I want your financials.
because you are a 501(c)(3) you are
governed to
give them to me. If you say no I go
to
the state and say cooper city optimist
501(c)(3) is not compliant.
the state will say yes you do
because if you don't you lose your
501(c)(3).
>> we are not arguing that point.
a financial is a bank statement.
>>
it
is not. I'm willing
to do it because I'm not going to
hide anything from
you guys.
>> this is the thing. I
just want
to clarify. It's a lot of miscommunication.
please answer this question. I want
to
read you exactly what the language
says.
the intent of the provision is
to ensure that any have no financial
records shall be
retained for not less than five years
for public inspection pursuant to
the
same standards .
that is what it says. A bank statement,
is that a financial record.
>> generally speaking the bank statements
.
>> if somebody walked off the streets
and asked for
a copy of bank statements we can
mark out the account number but we
have to produce it.
are you agreeing to the same standards.
>> I am willing to give you the
bank statement.
>> any person.
when I asked for it and you
said no.
>> we did not feel it was
part of the financial statements.
they were not part of financials.
>> we are
in agreement that it is .
>> look it up. 501(c)(3) organization
>>
a 501(c)(3) is generally
not required to file bank statements.
there are financial filings they are
required
to file. The agreement subjects
the optimist club to chapter 119 which
is more detailed.
the city under the agreement
not under the internal revenue code
or other
federal law have agreed to provide
that information in accordance with
state law.
>>
I just want to clarify one more thing.
the financial statement
does not include
bank statements.
the bank statement is the financial record.
>>
yes. He agreed.
I know without a doubt knowing you
you will get one of your friends to
walk in and say I want a bank
statement and they will give it to them.
>> you say that but they said no to
me and I
had to go to the board meeting.
>>
please understand
that I'm confused right now because
I feel like lisa is defending you
and
there's no need on
your side. It seems like you have
clearly outlined where they
are at.
I will say from the perspective everything
you've outlined, thank you. I would
like to know
I want to know what
the hurdles are.
I will also say
in defense to my colleague in this
individuals here that represent
the city, they are why you came back
after many years
of being retired was because there
was issues.
I
think that when there is a rejection
to topics that are outlined it
brings up concern .
you clarifying and saying
that
on the record .
I hope we get everything squared away
for you.
>>
I am not defending anyone. I am clarifying.
>> no other comments.
>> motion to adjourn .