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I don't think so.

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Call the meeting to order. Do a roll call. Michael Bass-Preson. What are you doing,

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where are the President? David Chaube, President. Starts off with a pledge of allegiance.

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I pledge

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allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands

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one nation under the indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, I'll entertain a motion

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to approve the agenda.

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You don't have a corn.

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You can.

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Oh, OK, we won't do that then.

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We won't approve it.

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We'll approve it next time maybe.

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So since we don't have the correct number of people here,

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we'll move into our appointments and have some discussions.

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Emily.

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We'll build an in-law apartment on my lawn.

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I have the plans here.

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Oh, you have plans.

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OK.

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The address is 39.33 Arizona Avenue.

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the one that just got renovated.

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So this

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is planned for the new construction. And look

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over that, but we'll talk a little bit about some of the other things that you need.

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So if you think about it from this standpoint, the current lock, the way the rules are written,

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And this has to fit on to your current lot with your setbacks met from the back to side.

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If there's an easement on the property, all those kinds of things need to be drawn on

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to a two-scale surveyed property line drawing that shows where the existing house is because

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there is requirements for how close a non-attached ADU can be to the existing building and

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then how close that can be to the property and whatever. So there's some of that stuff

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that that that is required that's part of it. And then you'll need like say the the drawing

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showing where it's going on the property and and all those things. There's some requirements

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I can send with you a sample of the ADU is part of the requirements.

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So in the residential zone, I'm assuming you're in the residential zone, their requirements

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for all those things like the step-axe, all that kind of stuff.

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There's also a requirement for parking that has to be provided for, so if you have, let's

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So the original house on there, and then you're going to have an ADU, you've got to have

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at least three parking spaces, two for the original house, and one for that kind of thing.

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So those things get drawn on there.

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So for the most part, there's kind of just, and I didn't look over all of the things that

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you have here, but this is part of it that you need.

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and then the also the surveyor on the home on the property is getting done it's

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just going to take about two weeks yeah so I have that going as well.

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Perfect let's

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see so I just want to take a quick look at this to see if there's

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looking for the height of this building well 100 square feet oh is it 1200 square

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feet? Oh yeah so so how big is this? Oh so the main is 672 the upper is 672 so

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this is a total of 1400 square feet. How big is the lot that you're on?

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So again

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I'll send a part of this with the I'll send this but you can look at it but

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there let's say the requirements that are in here it looks like you're going to be

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over them that's the maximum 1200 right yeah so but you're looking at 672 and 672

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and then 64 for the porch on the front.

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Well it doesn't matter. 672 would be

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over anyways. I

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wondered if it was possible to do any like an addition. Yeah so

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So there's attached ADU, detached ADU, either way the same thing's applied.

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So the ADU square footage, whether it's attached to the house or detached, whatever.

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You could do an addition to your house that's not an ADU.

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Editions have slightly different rules.

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There's some weird stuff if you were to block off a door that would interfere with egress

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for fire code, things like that, that door would have to remain in place and then have

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be dead bolted between the two restants and things like that, that the fire code needs.

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It looks pretty tall.

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I'm trying to find out how tall this thing is because we have like a 30 foot limit on how tall

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all buildings can be. But I'm not seeing that. But

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it's two floors, it's probably about

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20 feet. Yeah, it's on the staircases. It's on a tall foundation. Yeah, it's on the

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floor. And the 20 floor. The peak of the roof is kind of high, but so I don't, I just,

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this just was checking. It's going to be close to 30, it looks like.

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So there it is. So

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it's got a three foot crawl space underneath the bottom of it. I don't see the height of

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Do I make a note on those plans to have it caught out the height?

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I'll be helpful.

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I'm not sure if that's in this or if that's again, there's still there's two different codes

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You have the residential code that you have to meet and then additionally, there's the ADU code

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see here. So that's what I asked what's what the lot size was for a detached ADU the lot size needs to be at least 9,900 square feet

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Yeah, and I believe that is,

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that's a quarter acre, right? Half acre is 18.

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So who's less than that, who would that be like in that, like an addition?

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No, an internal ADU requires 6,000 square feet.

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Yeah, so they have different requirements there based on what the lot size is.

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So that's why you need that if you're drawing it so you can see all those kind of things.

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And like I say, that's the setbacks and things on it.

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But is there any other questions we can answer for you today?

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I guess just one of my other questions is that that home had like a foundation that's already in.

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is that if I get it approved and if I kind of can kind of work with that, will you guys

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allow me to use that foundation if it leads that back?

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I'm confused.

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So the foundation is already a foundation for a year or a mother-in-law suite behind

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that house?

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Yeah, because so that home was previously bigger than what it was than what it is right now.

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And so I tore it down and made it kind of thinner but wider on the home.

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So now I have just a foundation that's just sitting there, but it's attached to your your current whole

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Foundation, so it's so then you'd be looking at an attached ABU and the requirements for that

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Yeah, you could do that like you say you just have to meet the requirements of the attached and like I'll send that with you

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So you can look at it and then the the other residential codes for

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The setbacks and that kind of stuff applies

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Yeah, but yeah, you can either wear an attached or a detached if the foundation is already there

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there and it doesn't meet the setbacks.

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Would it be like grandfathered in to that?

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Yes, I believe you're allowed to build

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on existing foundations, rebuild on top of those.

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So it's longer, for non-conforming as long as

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you don't change the foundation settings.

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and then I'll work on it.

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Do you guys want to keep those set up?

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Oh, no.

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Nope, you can take that all with you.

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So when you get that, all those things ready

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and whatever you decide what kind of project

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you want to do, the attach, the detached,

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get your drawings drawn up with it all on there then you'll just make an

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appointment to come back and present those plans to the city and no go through

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the process of review to make sure that they meet all that stuff that we gave

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you there and then it'll go through the county and then go once you get your

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permits and all that then off you go the other

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one so standard wellness is

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apparently not come in tonight.

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I do have questions about that one. No, Kendra.

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The planning and zoning commission doesn't issue business licenses, but it's a

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temporary, right? Well, they're their place of temporary. So we've been fighting

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with them. We get permanent structure there instead of the temporary sheds that

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they have. And so because they sold out their mob, which is late in brothers, which

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have their shell on the building, you know, that they were building, and then their business

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wasn't as big as they thought it was going to be. So then they split their lot. They came in

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and had their last split. And now they're on the one side where they have their temporary

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stuff. But they grow outside and inside. And so we've been forcing them to build a permanent

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structure to do their business and so I'm thinking this is what they're coming

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with I'm not sure it's going to be adequate or what we're pushing for but we'll

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see what they bring yeah yeah and so that's one the reason I kind of wanted to

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bring it up because I did a little looking into that I kind of talked to the

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gender about it this morning.

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So they have for marijuana factories, whether it's growing

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or processing of it. The state has separate codes, building regulations for that, apparently

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if they process it. The butane, the propane, and the flammable hazardous chemicals that they

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used in the separation of the THC process comes with certain electrical

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requirements. Obviously the grow lights and the temperature and humidity control

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systems and all that are kind of a large power draw so they have special

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like grounding requirements that they require of them and things like that so

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when they come it might be a good idea knowing that they're they're planning

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on coming for us to like digging into some of that kind of stuff and like see

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what the state requires so that we help them figure out what those things are.

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And it didn't look that extensive, it kind of depends on what they're doing with the facility.

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Like, if they're processing and doing extraction, there was like explosive proof,

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switches, and sockets, and lighting fixtures, and it was a bunch of weird stuff,

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because apparently yeah very unique yep type of requirements so we would have for our purposes

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we need to make sure that they meet the business zone they're building meets the business zone

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requirements distance from the road all that kind of stuff the setbacks and the the building

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high requirements and all those things but it's I'm gonna kind of put it on them to go figure out

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the state codes are.

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But it might be interesting for us to know those things so that we can kind of

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help them through that process. Yeah. Anyways, we have this is not on the agenda and we can't

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prove it. This guy that has been submitted to the county. This is your neighbor. My neighbor?

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Yep, this is Anderson's over there around the corner from you. The address is

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2590-4100

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over there

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Up the road from you around the corner.

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They want to do an ADU as well. So this is their existing house.

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I don't, this drawing

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doesn't, it shows the setbacks. So they've got, I'm assuming that because this

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30 footer is here,

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this is the frontage.

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and there must be like a road over there yeah and so that would be side yard that would be back here this distance between the buildings

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Current distance, which I believe this is probably the road you know. Yep. So they want to build this particular ADU there.

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Well, that's just a maximum. This thing, I don't know. I think it's six hours square feet. I can pull up the county thing. It's like they have the garage in the lower floor. So the livable space is above the second floor. Those

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are like two garage doors.

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to me.

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It's 25 feet high.

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So this would be the foundation plan, 10 foot doors.

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Yep, so it's a double

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part of our stairs in the back. There's an office here. Looks like a half bath. I'm too old to

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be able to leave that crap.

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It's like a water heater circle. Oh it is. And maybe like a washer dryer.

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Yeah, so that's not the black and mechanical storage closet. There's the stairs there

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What

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is that garage get included in the folder?

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Yeah, so there's your, but there's your bathroom

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Well, that's the washroom dryer right there

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So that's just by the

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40 by 20. Oh, it's a furnace furnace and a water here

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That's eight hundred square feet

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one on top of the other at 16th or square feet,

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so 30 by 20, 20 by 40, 20 by 40, and that'd be too big.

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120 made floor, 600 the other floor, total of, or 620, so total of 800 square feet is what it says.

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So 200 on the first floor, and then 600 on the second floor?

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So that's not counting the garage.

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That

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makes sense because livable space is typically what they measure for square footage and not the barrage.

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That's probably not what we meant in our code, is it?

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I didn't see that coming.

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I don't, I don't know.

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Now, when I talk to these guys months ago,

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when I talk to them,

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is this garage existing?

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There's, there's

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a shed there. It looks to me like it's in the back of that shed. Yeah, well that, the reason that they called me several months back when they were talking about doing this was because they wanted to know if they could violate. So if you look at their lock drawing, they're, they're existing house violates the setback 30 foot front and drone setback and they have an existing, I got the impression that they had an existing building off here to the side and they wanted to know if they could just build on that.

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And I told them that they had to use the original foundation, similar to what I just told her.

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And I think that this is probably a result of that not being big enough for what they wanted to do.

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I don't know how you don't consider the garage part of it.

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Like that's what the building permit is for, is for the whole thing.

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How do you separate the garage from the ADU and say I'm building a garage and an ADU?

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and I don't know what

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to think about that.

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You've been heard the longest, what have you got?

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The 80s are new.

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Right.

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So how we've dealt with this attack maybe is not detached.

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So I don't, I would suggest maybe you were talking to him

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and see what he's doing.

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I don't, I don't know.

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Yeah, it's just, it's just a question of,

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is the garage considered part of the new ADU construction?

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Which I don't know how it isn't

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because you have to access the ADU.

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It's through the garage.

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Like, it seems to me that this is all part of 1 ADU.

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And it's too big because the footprint of it is 20 by 40.

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20 foot by 40 foot.

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And it's two stories.

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You know, 800 square feet.

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So you can't build a garage without it being part of your,

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I don't know, because yeah, you could build a garage,

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and then I guess you could say, well, I'm going to add an ADU.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, that's a problem for you guys.

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Maybe I will call

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Josh at the engineering group and see what he seems to think about that and then maybe we'll have to consider amending that code

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Having that discussion to say how do we want to handle that?

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We tried to cover as many things as we could

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Riding that thing and looking around but at this point. I don't know how you don't consider that because it's all part of the new construction

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I don't know how you don't consider that part of the aid

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Anyways, that's kind of all I have for the moment, so we're not going to do the approval

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of the previous minutes or any of those kind of things, so I assume you are here because

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the mayor asked you to be here, but other than that, I think we can adjourn the meeting.