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Thank you. Vigner gathered on the traditional territory of the

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Hana Nashani peoples, the Mohawks of Aquasasan, the original keepers

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of this land. As satlers, we are grateful for the

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opportunity. To meet here, and we thank all the generations

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of people who have taken care of this land. For

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thousands of years. I'd ask that if you're able to

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please rise for our national anthem.

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Don't. Take.

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Us. Free.

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Thank you. Can I roll call, please, Madam clerk? Mayor,

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townhouse president. Councilors, Claude Macintosh. Dean Hollingsworth. Happy New year.

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Good. Present. Getty linux. Dennis submarine, elaine McDonald.

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And friend and Gunjo. Thank you. Just one quick announcement.

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Today, just prior to this meeting, myself and the CEO

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were able to attend. A pre budget consultation for the

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province with MVP George de Rouse, the parliamentary assistant to

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the minister. Of Finance and Minister Nolan Quinn, along with

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other representatives of agencies and organizations in city of Cornwall.

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To provide input on the upcoming provincial budget. Seemed relevant

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to mention, considering we're meeting regarding our own. Budget. Any

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addition, solutions or amendments to the agenda. Seeing none can

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get emotionally adjoped. The agenda for this afternoon, please. Councilor.

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Good. Seconder. Councilor Hayber, all in favor? Carried. Thank you.

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Any declarations of interest. Pecuniary interest council Baer thank you,

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Mr. Mayor. At the beginning of the budget process, I

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did submit a conflict of interest form for the entire

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budget. Process, including this in the following meeting. About the

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social development council? I'm still employed with them part time.

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They are on this. Agenda, I will declare and walk

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away for those items. Thank you. Any further declarations? Seeing

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none. Move on to action reports, Madam clerk. The action

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report. Number one, proposed budget amendments by members of council

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for this. 2026 budget. The action recommended is that council

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receive the report. And review and vote on each proposed

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amendment individually as they are presented. Would you like me

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to begin with the first report, Mr. Mayor? Yes, please.

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First report. Proposed by councilor Kedir Neba. And seconded by

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councilor Sarah. Good. Now, therefore. Be it resolved that council

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amend the mayor's proposed budget as follows. Number one, that

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the logistics supervisor position in the 2026 Paramedics services budget.

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Be reinstated to assist with downtime and vehicle turnover at

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shipped end, increasing ambulance readiness and response. Time and enhance

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overall system efficiency. Number two, that the financial impact of

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this change is an increase of $116,752. To salaries and

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benefits. Item three, that paramedic Services is a shared service

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with the United counties of SDG. And that this increase

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be funded based on the current funding formula. 63.15% for

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sdg. And 36.85% for Cornwall, with Cornwall's share of $43,023.

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Being funded by the tax base and that this resolution,

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if approved by the majority of council, be submitted to

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the mayor and clerk in coordinates with section two 8416.

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Four of the municipal act and that under section 280

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416, four. Should the mayor veto this? Amendment adopted by

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council. A council may, in accordance with the regulations, override

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the head of council's. Veto under section four, if two

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thirds of the members of council vote override the veto

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at its January 20, 926. 2026 as permitted under section

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284. 16 five of the Municipal Act. Thank you. So

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move to the vague council. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So

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I'm bringing this. Motion forward. Because this position is not

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just about administration for the sake of administration, it's about

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ambulance readiness, response times and patient safety. We've been told

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directly by the chief of paramedic services that the logistics

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supervisor plays. Wood play a key operational role in. Reducing

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downtime, improving vehicle turnover at shift change and getting ambulances

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back on the road faster. When ambulances are tied up

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longer than they need to be. Response time increase. Response

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times increase. When response times increase, outcomes worsen. It really

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is that simple. We also need to look at this

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decision through the lens of where our community is headed,

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not just where we are today. Cornell's. Population is aging

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faster than the provincial average. As that trend continues, we

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know with certainty that EMS call volumes and complexity will.

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Increase, not decrease. This is not speculation. This is demographic

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reality. Paramedic services is already under pressure from hospital offload

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delays, higher acuity calls, and longer turnaround times. Without dedicated

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logistic oversight. Those pressures fall back onto frontline paramedics and

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supervisors whose primary focus should be. Patient care, not system

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coordination. The logistics supervisor role is intended to support the

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system as a whole, ensuring vehicles, equipment and staffing logistics

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are managed efficiently so paramedics can focus on responding to

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emergencies. It's preventative. It's an investment in preventative measures. The

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cost to Cornwall is approximately $43,000. In the context of

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public safety response times and increased demand on EMS. I

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think that's a pretty prudent investment. This motion is about

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being proactive instead of reactive. It's about ensuring our EMS

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system. Is structured to meet the growing demand, not struggling

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to keep up after the fact. So, for those reason,

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I strongly encourage my council colleagues around the table to

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support the reinstatement of the logistics supervisor position. Mexi, thank

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you for the comments. I see some hands moving, Councilor

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Hollingsworth. Post Christmas funk, your worship. I'm not going to

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support it for a couple of reasons. First of all,

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Technically speaking, one could argue the motion itself is out

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of order. In the sense that. Structurally speaking, is that

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right? Where it's supposed to work is council establishes a

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level of service administration, then goes and determines the cost.

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I. E. People and resources brings a report back to

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council with the cost and the need that it takes.

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And then council either approves or not approves by us

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trying to determine how. Many human beings we need to

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run the corporation. Is arguably not really what our role

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is. We don't decide how many humans we hire. We

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decide the level of service, and we decide how much

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money we spend on that level of service. And then

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say, hey, admin, go and make it work. So, on

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that note, one could argue that it's already technically out

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of order. The second reason why I'm not prepared to

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support at your worship is that this budget was coming

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in around 18, 19%, 20% originally. My understanding is each

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department was asked to figure out how to try to

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get it to four. Every department. Has probably made some

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kind of concessions along the way in terms of who

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they would like to have that would allow them to

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run their department more effectively. The argument would suggest that

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if we say, yeah, paramedics, you get an extra person,

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then every department could easily make the same argument, that

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we would be better serviced if we have more. People.

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Well, we've kind of already established. That we're trying to

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manage our costs. That's kind of where the budget was.

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Starting point. And finally. The fact that. Admin was not

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given permission to reduce service to the ambulance. Would suggest

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that. If they would suggest that whatever cuts or changes

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they've made in terms of the operation, if it hasn't

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reduced service. Because we've told them. We don't want you

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to do that if it doesn't. Reduce service, then. I

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would think have figured out we can run this service

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based on the current complement if they weren't capable of

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running the service on that current complement, then that means

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it's. A reduction of service, which, in fact, Does not.

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We haven't given any direction to that regard. So approving

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this motion. As I said, is already. A not really

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our role. Be. Certainly could make an argument for everybody.

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And finally, there's no mention of reduction in service. Currently

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based on the budget complement. Therefore, I have to assume

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we're able to continue to do what we're doing. Thus,

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I will not support the motion. Thank you. Councilor. Good.

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Thank you through you, Mr. Mayor. And I don't want

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to sound snarky as I say this, but my recollection

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is that last year the counselor made a motion to.

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Remove six FTE from the new. Figure out who they

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were doing. Not by a dollar. Debate through the chair,

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please. Through you, Mr. Mayor. I believe it was a

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number of ftes to reduce. But don't quote me on

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that. What I would like to know about. This, preferably

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from our chief paramedic, if he's able to respond. Sorry,

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Bill. I'm looking around for you. Would be. What would

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including this position. In the overall complement of paramedic services.

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Change for the recipients of your service across Cornwall and

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SDG. Chief Lister. No.

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There. Okay. Sorry about that. So the question was, what

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would happen to the recipients without this position? Well, with

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the position with. The position. Initially, you would see very

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little change. Because this is a growth position.

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This starts the ball rolling towards bigger changes. As we

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go on, so I'll try and quantify it for you.

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Takes about 45. Minutes to get an ambulance turned around.

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And we're working on reducing that turnaround time. This would

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be the first step in that. So in 2020. Six.

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We would just get the ball rolling. We would see.

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Maybe a few minutes. At most on. That implementation. Into

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the future. We're hoping to get that down. To. Minutes

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that the ambulance would be waiting. For being fully ready

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and able to roll out the door. Like from through

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you, Mr. Mayor, down from 45 minutes to minutes, like

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a few minutes for a few minutes, how long would

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you say it would take to effectively roll out that

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process because you mentioned that this would just be the

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starting phase. It would probably be over a year or

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two until we get there. My other question, because obviously

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this budget item impacts the counties as well. Have they

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approved their budget? As of yet. And if we include

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this in our budget, how would that impact their process?

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Do we know. Mr. Sal. Through. Mr. Mayor, I have

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not talked. To the CEO in the counties recently, but

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by all accounts, through the media, they passed their budget.

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And approved it. Okay. Ms. Bailey had her hand up.

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Thank you. Through you, Mr. Mayor. I did have an

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opportunity to speak to the CAO because it did impact

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the budget for SDG. What she informed me was that.

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They have passed their budget. They've included the amount. They

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understand the city's budget. Is draft. As long as the

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city is not projecting. Deficits for its 2025 year end.

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They do have a tax stabilization reserve that they utilize.

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For any budgets that are currently in draft that may

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see changes before they're approved by other groups. Okay, perfect.

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Can we see what impact it would actually have visually,

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to include this in the 2026 budget? So it's a

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.5% change, which represents I didn't catch in dollar. Amounts,

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how much it represents to the average.

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Dollar in a bit. To be honest, from my perspective,

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paramedic services. Across all emergency services are ones that we

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hope we never have to rely on. But when we

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do. It really is life or death. This isn't a

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service that is unique to a certain age group, a

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certain vulnerability. It is really something that serves all demographics

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across our community and I want to ensure that when

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we're in a tough budget year like this, where we

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know that. The increase is above what we want, that

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we are at the same time bringing greater value to

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our residents. Now, if I know that it cost me

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an extra dollar 50 to potentially reduce, turnaround times for

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the paramedics from 45 minutes down to a few minutes.

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I see that. As being value that is worthwhile to

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our residents. I am willing to support this because of

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that specific reason. However, if this doesn't pass, what I

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would like to see is a report come back to

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us in the next term about how we can ensure

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that. We have this strategic. In order to reduce this

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turnaround time and become very, very efficient in the way

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that. We control the logistics of our paramedics. Thank you.

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Thank you. Before we continue, I had a question. On

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the amount that was put on the screen, it reads

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$43,023. The report indicates $116,752. Okay. My mistake. Okay. Thank

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you. Further comments. Councilor McIntosh three Mr. Meredith built. When

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we talk about turnaround times, some people might misconstrue that

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as time and ambience responds to critical call. You've got

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the code system now the color code system. Would this

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effect in any way? Those top priorities if you didn't

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have this person? Through you, Mr. Mary. Potentially it could.

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If an ambulance isn't ready, it can't. Go. It has

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to be stocked and ready to go. We currently are

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managing it. So the answer is yes. It could, in

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effect, do that, but. It hasn't had significant impact to

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now. Thanks, Bill. Further comments questions Councilor Ginjo. Thank you,

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Mr. Mayor. I'm not going to support this motion. For.

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The main. Reason that it was asked. Not by the

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staff, but by. The consular. I totally understand. The reason

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why. My colleague is asking this, but. I think last

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year. You had the opportunity. To present us your need.

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And Jesus was not in, am I right? It was

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in the 2025 budget. We didn't stop the position because.

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We had to wait for job descriptions to be completed.

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By then we were into this budget preparation time, and

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we withdrew. The position because it hadn't been filled yet.

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Okay. Thank you. But once again, I see that it's

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going to increase the tax at the end of the

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budget. What I'm not supporting at all. And the impact

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of adding one position, as you said, for sure it's

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going to be positive. Through the staff. But. One word

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you pronounce. What? It's not going to be significant. And

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we have to deal, we have to shows what is

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going to be very impacting the life of our citizen

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now. So since based on that, even if I understand.

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From where this motion is coming. I'm not ready to

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support it now. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Further questions commentary.

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Mr. Co okay. Thank you very much through Mr. Mayor.

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I appreciate. The motion coming forward and appreciate also. The

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counselor's concerns to ensure we have the resources we need.

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For our ambulances, for the community. However. The decision to

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fill or not fill a specific, established position. Positional and

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we met as a senior team many times. And I

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can say it's the delegation of authority under the Municipal

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act through the CEO. For staffing. But as a senior

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team, we met many times. There was a listing of

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many positions. Through the budget that we did not fill,

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and we could go around the outside here and talk.

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To every senior manager about staffing, and I guarantee you,

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They'll all have a significant need. But. We're in a

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difficult budget. We've made the decisions. That we have. The

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budget to be approved by council. The strong mayor authorizes

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a certain level of spending and the complement of positions

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that we put forward. And it shouldn't really mandate the

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feeling of. A position. That'll become difficult in future budget

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years if we start having general manager against general manager.

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And department against department. But I can assure you we'll

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work closely. With everybody through the next year to identify

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positions. And budget accordingly for them. So it's my strong

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recommendation. That this goes beyond. What council should be doing

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on the operational side through the budget process. I guess

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I'd like to end with it comes down to service

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delivery as well, and. Whether a service is being delivered.

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And that would require full service delivery review. That hasn't

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been completed in this municipality for over ten years, and.

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We're looking at probably between three and $500,000 to do

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a full service. Delivery review. Which we didn't bring forward.

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Because of the tough budget year. Thank you. Councilor bear,

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would you like to wrap up? Yes, thank you, Mr.

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Mayor. Like to respond to some of these comments. I

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do think we heard that this would have a significant

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impact on our residents. Unlike what was mentioned by one

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of our colleagues here, it was mentioned that within a

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couple of years, the wait time would drastically be reduced.

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And I think. We hear that the impact won't be

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immediate, but if we wait until next year or. The

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following year. We're just kicking the can down the road

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and waiting longer and longer. And longer for impact. I

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would disagree. That. This is operational. This is budget. What

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happened was. The team at the city. The administration created

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a budget. That budget then had to be picked apart.

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To get some savings to get us to a lower

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tax rate. The department included. This position hadn't been filled

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yet. They wanted to fill it. They put it in

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the budget, but because it hadn't been filled, it was

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the easiest thing to cut because you're not eliminating someone's

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existing position. So I'm not coming up here today and

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saying, hey, I think we need a mechanic. In paramedic

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services, which I think. You do possibly need some support

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there. I may have heard, which is not a proposal

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I'm not saying that. I'm not making something up. I'm

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saying something that was in the budget that was removed

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should be re added as we have been. We heard

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from the department. It would significantly impact down the road

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response times. It will take time. If we don't. Do

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this today. Or next year. We're waiting years down the

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road to make significant impact. So because it was in

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the budget. I do believe that we have authority. I'm

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starting to learn that. We probably have less and less

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authority. Than previously expected, and our role as counselors are

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less and less relevant, which is really unfortunate. Because I

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think we should have a say in terms of the

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level of service. And that does include. Our say in

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whether a position should be added or removed. And so

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that is operational. Sure. And I think we should have

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some kind of opportunity to give feedback in terms of

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the operation and the service level. And so. The few

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minutes that this would save is lives. I think in

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some cases, maybe not a lot. In the first few

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years, but in the long run, It? Absolutely. Would get

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to a point where maybe not. It may not save

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a ton of lives, but one is enough. This little

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budget piece is enough if it saves one life, if

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it brings somebody to a hospital. Sooner than. Needed, then

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it is worth it for me. The 0.5, the dollar

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and some sense that I'm going to pay extra in

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taxes is worth it, because when I'm going to need

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that one day. I want it there fast. And we

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as a council, if we don't. Vote for this today

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our saying that we are not interested in reducing wait

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times and I think our county counselors are very interested.

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In wait times because. They are waiting longer for ambulance

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services in the counties, and I think they want to

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see something. Like this to improve wait times for them

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as well. Thank you. With that, I'm going to call

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the vote. All in favor? All opposed? Motion is not

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carried. Thank you. Madam clerk. Items or recommendation number two

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is proposed by councilor Sarah Good, seconded by councilor Todd.

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Bennett. I'm ahead of myself in the agenda. Thank you.

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Proposed by councilor Todd Bennett and seconded by councilor Dean

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Holingsworth. Now. Therefore, be it resolved. Thank council. I'm in

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the mayor's proposed budget as follows that $54,000 be added

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to the 2026 budget for the SDC, which is the

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Social Development Council. That this increase to the 2026 budget

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be funded by general taxation. That the resolution, if approved

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by the majority of council, be submitted to the mayor

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and clerk in accordance with section 284. 16, four of

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the municipal act and that under section 280 416, four

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should the mayor veto this amendment adopted by council. That

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council may, in accordance with the regulations, override the head

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of council's veto under section four. If two thirds of

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the members of council vote over ride. The veto at

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its January 29, 2026. As permitted under section 284 16,

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five of the Municipal Act. Thank you, Councilor Bennett. Thank

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you, Mr. Mayor. Through you, I do thank Councilor Hollingsworth

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for seconding the motion for the sake of just having

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this conversation. I appreciate it. I'm going to go. Through

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a list of things the social development council does for

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the city and the region. It's a long list. As

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I go through it, I just want you to think

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about. Whether you think this important thing that they do

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for our community, and if you feel that each one

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of these initiatives is a help to our community. So

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programs, events, collaborations, initiatives enabled by the Social Development councils.

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These are programs such that they support network's ongoing collaborative

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tables employment employability network regional coordination of employment and workforce

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development agencies volunteer administration. Administrators network supporting volunteer engagement infrastructure

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across all sectors regional emergency and strategic response Council community

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coordination during emergencies and crisis, vibrant communities where they're working,

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particular poverty reduction, which I think is something we're struggling

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with employment and economic participation initiatives. Annual Cornwall and area

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job fairs one of the region's. Largest employment events, employer

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panels, workforce readiness workshops, sector specific employment events. Cross agency

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coordination to reduce duplication and improve employment outcomes for youth

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seniors. We have the youth engagement fair. We have seniors

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focused health, safety and information affairs, community lead youth programming.

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Leadership initiatives. Workshops and engagement sessions addressing safety, well being

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and social inclusion and Cornwall youth space planning coordination partnerships

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and implementation of youth focused infrastructure programming in safe public

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spaces. Cultural and community events. The Cornwall Culture Fest. It's

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an annual celebration of diversity across Cornwall. And SDNG and

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Aquasosti supports the culturally inclusive festivals, events, community celebrations, collaboration

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with cultural newcomer and indigenous partners, ensuring accessibility and representation,

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community safety and capacity building programs where the administer. Building

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Safer Communities Micro grant program on behalf of funding partners,

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support for youth serving organizations delivering crime prevention and well

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meaning initiatives coordination of community led safety prevention resilience projects

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food security your brain on food a youth and young

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adult food literacy nutrition education program, community food access and

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food security initiatives through. Cross sector partnerships, organizational, administrative support.

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For the community in kind support to grassroots groups and

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emerging organizations, acting as a backbone organization. When communities, groups

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lack staffing, administrative capacity. 30 seconds. Transition Cornwall. Community led

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sustainability, resilience. Working group, Tenant association of Cornwall and Area

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Housing Advocacy and tenant capacity building an idea community coalition

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for quality, diversity, inclusion, anti oppression collaboration. I'll follow up

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with my wrap up. Councilor Alingsworth. Thank you, worship. As

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my colleague has already said, I offered to second the

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motion. Understanding, a reasonable chance. I'd vote against it, but,

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God, he'd have an opportunity. To make his pitch. I

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will, in fact, not support the motion at the moment

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of truth for a couple of reasons. Chief Stevenson and

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I were talking before the Christmas break about the highest

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budget I've ever sat through and this is it. 5.4%

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is the highest. Potential rate that I have ever sat

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through in 20 some years of doing budgets. Always been

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of the opinion that budget should reflect both the rate

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of inflation. This one does not. Now, don't misunderstand. We

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started around 20%, I think. Admin has done an excellent

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job of trying to rain things in and get some

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semblance of control. So it's not a finger pointing thing,

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but I think we're kind of at the top level

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that we should be. My colleague points out that SDC

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has done a lot of great things, and he lists

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a whole bunch of things they've done, and I'm sure

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they're all valid. And they're all great, but there's other

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organizations. Big brothers, Baldwin House Boys and. Girls club beyond

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21, who also do really great things for the community,

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who also could probably. Use some money, but they have

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chosen not to come here and ask us to fund

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their operating. Budget. And while sometimes they have come and

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say, give us some money for a special project which

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we may or may not have supported. We don't fund

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their operating budget. They go out and fundraise and look

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for revenue through other sources. That's just what they do.

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And I kind of think. That's maybe what STC needs

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to start thinking about. And finally. Our county brethren. Have

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not provided a great deal of financial support historically. Maybe

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I've got this wrong, but it's. My understanding is historically,

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the last couple of years. The counties have provided a

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chunk of funding, and we have provided a chunk of

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funding, and from what I've been told this year, the

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counties have not provided a big chunk of funding. I

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think $1,000 was the number I heard. So the fact

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that somehow we're supposed to kind of carry the ball

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with this doesn't. Seem to be a fair way of

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operating. I think that. SDC maybe needs to take a

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page from other organizations that don't come and ask. Us

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for money who figure out how to manage it. And

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I know that we have given money. To some of

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these groups for, like, a one time funding. Go and

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build this or fix that. But this seems to be

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an operating thing, and I just don't think. I want

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to see the city continue to do that because the

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argument could be made. You could fund all of these

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outside agencies because they all do great work. And finally,

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the. Worship that I think is important is that this

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budget is an attempt to try to manage costs. And

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I believe. My experience has been the community really doesn't

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want to spend any more money in terms of taxes

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for services. The sense I'm getting is we're kind of

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at our limit. Hence, I'm not going to support this

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particular motion. Thank you. Thank you for the comments. Councilor.

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Good. Thank you. Thank you. Through you, Mr. Mayor. I'm

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glad that my colleague brought this forward. And I know

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in the last two years, as the SDC has come

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to us for funding, as their funding source basically vanished.

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We're trying to find a way to. Ensure that we're

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not putting the bill for this. And I want to

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bring us to that point. I also think it's important

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to understand that the SEC is very unique in the

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way that they operate. In that they interact with every

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nonprofit that you've mentioned in your statement. They've acted as

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incubators to allow organizations like diversity to even obtain their

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charitable status. They organize these key events in our community

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that would cost us tens of thousands of dollars to

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organize and operate ourselves. They have direct benefit to our

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community. And I know that over the course of the

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last year, or two. For the course of the last

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00:34:15,333 --> 00:34:20,261
year. The process of transitioning to the Eastern Ontario Training

471
00:34:20,261 --> 00:34:24,901
Board has commenced, but that transition is still not fully

472
00:34:24,901 --> 00:34:31,341
underway. Now, if that funding isn't received, it means likely

473
00:34:31,341 --> 00:34:34,346
that we will not. Have another senior spare, which is

474
00:34:34,346 --> 00:34:36,386
usually biannual. We didn't have it last year. But we

475
00:34:36,386 --> 00:34:39,541
should have it this year. We likely won't have the

476
00:34:39,541 --> 00:34:43,994
job fair. The youth engagement fair. And so I think

477
00:34:43,994 --> 00:34:46,834
we really need to consider that this is an impact

478
00:34:46,834 --> 00:34:50,701
to the services that we provide. We have the authority.

479
00:34:52,270 --> 00:34:57,832
To invest strategically. In areas that will impact a vast

480
00:34:57,832 --> 00:35:02,355
majority of our citizens. And I think that with. The

481
00:35:02,355 --> 00:35:07,435
broad breadth of groups that this organization serves and supports,

482
00:35:07,435 --> 00:35:11,595
even just being the banker for events applying for grants

483
00:35:11,595 --> 00:35:13,755
that other organizations might not have the band with their

484
00:35:13,755 --> 00:35:18,191
capacity to do. I'm in favor of supporting them for

485
00:35:18,191 --> 00:35:22,731
this last year. And working with them to potentially establish

486
00:35:22,731 --> 00:35:25,411
some mous to figure out how can we ensure that.

487
00:35:27,074 --> 00:35:32,334
We're still able. To. Solidify. These services that they are

488
00:35:32,334 --> 00:35:34,854
providing in our community because we've recognized the value of

489
00:35:34,854 --> 00:35:37,414
them. I hope that my colleagues agree, and if not,

490
00:35:37,414 --> 00:35:41,150
we'll move on to the next motion. I guess. Councilor

491
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:47,875
McDonald. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I. Found this. This is

492
00:35:47,875 --> 00:35:52,416
a very challenging issue. And I have championed the Social

493
00:35:52,416 --> 00:35:55,456
Development Council all along, and I spoke at length on

494
00:35:55,456 --> 00:36:00,724
their behalf. During the last term. And the counties both

495
00:36:00,724 --> 00:36:04,564
agreed to come up with 60,000 some dollars, I believe.

496
00:36:04,564 --> 00:36:08,355
But there have been some changes since then. But I

497
00:36:08,355 --> 00:36:11,795
think maybe the first part that makes me think that

498
00:36:11,795 --> 00:36:15,801
I'm not going to support this now. This is originally

499
00:36:15,801 --> 00:36:18,801
a social development council, was supported by provincial funding, and

500
00:36:18,801 --> 00:36:21,801
this is one more example. Of downloading that we have

501
00:36:21,801 --> 00:36:27,055
had to absorb. And. I think, given the climate of

502
00:36:27,055 --> 00:36:31,215
the times, I think we have finished absorbing what the

503
00:36:31,215 --> 00:36:37,384
province. Has abandoned, literally. But I don't think those social

504
00:36:37,384 --> 00:36:41,024
development council aims and goals have been abandoned because I

505
00:36:41,024 --> 00:36:44,485
note that. I believe the social services department was going

506
00:36:44,485 --> 00:36:47,245
to absorb some of the functions of the social development.

507
00:36:47,245 --> 00:36:50,672
Council. Am I right about that? If I can ask

508
00:36:50,672 --> 00:36:54,432
Mrs. Morgan. Ms. Morgan. Through you, Mr. Mayor, the human

509
00:36:54,432 --> 00:36:58,312
services department has undertaken the community safety and well being

510
00:36:58,312 --> 00:37:03,537
plan portion. Of part of what SDC was doing. Good.

511
00:37:03,537 --> 00:37:08,439
Thank you for that. And I note that as councilor

512
00:37:08,439 --> 00:37:14,171
good mentioned, Eastern Ontario Training Board. Has spoken. To absorb

513
00:37:14,171 --> 00:37:17,131
some of these responsibilities, whether they're there yet or not.

514
00:37:17,131 --> 00:37:19,771
I don't. Know. But they too are dependent on provincial

515
00:37:19,771 --> 00:37:24,294
coffers, I believe. So I don't think it's up to

516
00:37:24,294 --> 00:37:27,094
us to supply what the province isn't. Willing to do

517
00:37:27,094 --> 00:37:29,534
if it comes to that. And when it comes to

518
00:37:29,534 --> 00:37:33,214
employment, all the employment services. The social development council did.

519
00:37:35,416 --> 00:37:38,056
We're taken away from the social development council a year

520
00:37:38,056 --> 00:37:39,536
ago. Or maybe it was even. A year and a

521
00:37:39,536 --> 00:37:43,885
half ago now. When our social services department, too, lost

522
00:37:43,885 --> 00:37:47,245
the programming it was able to do with provincial funding

523
00:37:47,245 --> 00:37:49,445
and all of that went to the province, I believe.

524
00:37:49,445 --> 00:37:52,245
I guess Ms. Morgan could attest to that. Having happened

525
00:37:52,245 --> 00:37:56,725
or not. I believe the responsibility for basically for employment

526
00:37:56,725 --> 00:37:59,845
services was taken out of the city and transferred to

527
00:37:59,845 --> 00:38:04,306
the province. Successfully or not? I don't know. But somebody

528
00:38:04,306 --> 00:38:06,666
spoke up for it and took the responsibility. I think.

529
00:38:06,666 --> 00:38:11,345
Am I right through, Mr. Mayor. The employment portion of

530
00:38:11,345 --> 00:38:18,225
Ontario Works was uploaded to us, a centralized organization. That

531
00:38:18,225 --> 00:38:23,825
centralized organization works with our employment service organizations within various

532
00:38:23,825 --> 00:38:28,374
cities to offer that service now. They're not the same

533
00:38:28,374 --> 00:38:30,934
as what SDC was offering. Not the same stuff, okay.

534
00:38:33,060 --> 00:38:35,871
Well. As much as I have appreciated with the Social

535
00:38:35,871 --> 00:38:42,659
Development Council has done. And. I think it's up to

536
00:38:42,659 --> 00:38:47,272
them to find. Another funder because obviously the county. 30

537
00:38:47,272 --> 00:38:51,881
seconds to partner with us. And the province isn't when.

538
00:38:53,146 --> 00:38:55,826
It comes to poverty reduction, this is really acute. But

539
00:38:55,826 --> 00:38:57,786
I think the real poverty reduction is going to be

540
00:38:57,786 --> 00:39:00,826
in hard cash. I can't imagine what kind of program

541
00:39:00,826 --> 00:39:03,866
you can do with. People, apart from giving the money,

542
00:39:03,866 --> 00:39:07,566
which is what's desperately needed. Would be really effective poverty

543
00:39:07,566 --> 00:39:12,667
reduction. So I'm not going to support this. And I

544
00:39:12,667 --> 00:39:19,991
do hope that. Other. Means. Processes step in and. That's

545
00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:23,911
time, counselor. Thank you. Thank you. Further comments? Questions? Councilor

546
00:39:23,911 --> 00:39:30,748
savory? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Through you. I for one,

547
00:39:30,748 --> 00:39:33,268
value the work of the Social Development Council as to

548
00:39:33,268 --> 00:39:36,148
all the others, surround the council table, I'm going to

549
00:39:36,148 --> 00:39:39,948
relate to my experience with regards to the senior fair.

550
00:39:39,948 --> 00:39:41,868
We didn't have it this past year. We are in

551
00:39:41,868 --> 00:39:46,028
the process of planning it for 2026. One of the

552
00:39:46,028 --> 00:39:49,058
biggest criterias of it is to try. To look at

553
00:39:49,058 --> 00:39:52,098
ways in which to bring greater revenues so that it

554
00:39:52,098 --> 00:39:57,677
almost becomes cost neutral in delivering that service. It is

555
00:39:57,677 --> 00:40:00,917
a challenge because there's limited resources within the community to

556
00:40:00,917 --> 00:40:03,997
support that quite often. In a number of these projects.

557
00:40:03,997 --> 00:40:07,157
This seed money is needed for them to be able

558
00:40:07,157 --> 00:40:10,237
to move. Forward to have the foundations and to develop

559
00:40:10,237 --> 00:40:16,778
the consistency of these programs. In that respect. I can't

560
00:40:16,778 --> 00:40:19,874
undermine the value. Of the work that is done by

561
00:40:19,874 --> 00:40:23,747
the Social Development Council and why it deserves. The support

562
00:40:23,747 --> 00:40:27,671
that they are asking. I do find it rather odd

563
00:40:27,671 --> 00:40:30,391
that they are getting two kicks at the can, so

564
00:40:30,391 --> 00:40:35,814
to speak. For government support. Or municipal support here, although

565
00:40:35,814 --> 00:40:38,854
you can't control the resolutions that are put there. If

566
00:40:38,854 --> 00:40:41,774
there's unsuccessful in one. They're going to get a second

567
00:40:41,774 --> 00:40:48,529
kick at the can, so be it. So. If the

568
00:40:48,529 --> 00:40:51,649
amount being sought wasn't so high and if it was

569
00:40:51,649 --> 00:40:55,409
kind of combined with regards to the second request for

570
00:40:55,409 --> 00:41:01,825
the 25,000. If it was embedded. Into the one. I

571
00:41:01,825 --> 00:41:06,660
could see. Possibly some greater support around the table for

572
00:41:06,660 --> 00:41:09,700
such a move in that I'm wondering if there's any

573
00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:19,683
consideration in that respect, Mr. Mayor. Okay? Because this motion

574
00:41:19,683 --> 00:41:25,572
has already been tabled. We'll finalize this motion. Then we'll

575
00:41:25,572 --> 00:41:28,932
move to the next one. Councilor. Mr. Merritt. I'm going

576
00:41:28,932 --> 00:41:31,412
to ask the clerk here, but a motion that gets

577
00:41:31,412 --> 00:41:35,834
tabled. Can be amended at any given time. You are

578
00:41:35,834 --> 00:41:41,884
correct, councilor. So I guess I'm asking this be considered

579
00:41:41,884 --> 00:41:46,724
as an amendment that the $25,000 request for support be

580
00:41:46,724 --> 00:41:51,164
rolled into this 54,000 and you would have a motion

581
00:41:51,164 --> 00:41:56,964
for. $54,000, 25,000 of which is to be for the

582
00:41:56,964 --> 00:42:00,496
hiring of a part. Time person. Under the Eastern Ontario

583
00:42:00,496 --> 00:42:03,056
Training Board for the Social Development Council. The rest of

584
00:42:03,056 --> 00:42:07,582
the money to go. Towards. The seed projects that they're

585
00:42:07,582 --> 00:42:14,066
carry on. If I understand. Your request, councilor. Correctly, you

586
00:42:14,066 --> 00:42:19,826
are proposing to increase it an additional $25,000. No. I

587
00:42:19,826 --> 00:42:23,620
am. Asking that the 54,000 bead, the amount that they

588
00:42:23,620 --> 00:42:28,176
receive, but. There will be two components to it. There'll

589
00:42:28,176 --> 00:42:31,816
be a reduction of the money that would basically be

590
00:42:31,816 --> 00:42:38,615
$29,000 for seed projects, it'll be $25,000 for. The creation

591
00:42:38,615 --> 00:42:41,387
of a position. That's how I see it.

592
00:42:58,977 --> 00:43:06,736
Mr. Mayor, if I could advise. And just for clarity's

593
00:43:06,736 --> 00:43:10,216
sake here, if this amendment is accepted by the mover

594
00:43:10,216 --> 00:43:13,096
and seconder. And if it is turned down, that does

595
00:43:13,096 --> 00:43:16,576
not mean that the third resolution that we have on

596
00:43:16,576 --> 00:43:20,665
the agenda is off the table. This does come back

597
00:43:20,665 --> 00:43:26,852
for discussion as well. Yes, the second resolution is still

598
00:43:26,852 --> 00:43:31,692
on the agenda for discussion and debate. Now, if I

599
00:43:31,692 --> 00:43:35,412
understand what you are recommending 1 second time or get

600
00:43:35,412 --> 00:43:40,332
a second kick at this 29 of the $54,000 that

601
00:43:40,332 --> 00:43:49,093
is proposed. For sdc. Counselor wants to identify. A split

602
00:43:49,093 --> 00:43:51,493
on that money telling us DC how to spend it.

603
00:43:51,493 --> 00:43:58,637
So 29,000 in the general operating and 25,000. To hire

604
00:43:58,637 --> 00:44:01,197
an additional person, a part time person, to do the

605
00:44:01,197 --> 00:44:06,273
work. In essence, that is. What I'm proposing, and it

606
00:44:06,273 --> 00:44:09,033
does not stray from what is actually the content of

607
00:44:09,033 --> 00:44:11,993
their resolutions, because when you read it, and as presented

608
00:44:11,993 --> 00:44:14,953
by councilor Bennett, they want money to be able to

609
00:44:14,953 --> 00:44:17,553
carry on a number of the projects that we're doing.

610
00:44:17,553 --> 00:44:20,033
We're saying we're giving you that money. We're also saying

611
00:44:20,033 --> 00:44:24,037
we're giving you the money. To hire an individual, but

612
00:44:24,037 --> 00:44:26,877
it is going to be in just this one resolution,

613
00:44:26,877 --> 00:44:32,019
and the total is going to be 54,000. Dollars. I'm

614
00:44:32,019 --> 00:44:37,459
unsure, councilor, if council is entitled to give directions to

615
00:44:37,459 --> 00:44:44,074
SDC on how to spend the money that. Is being

616
00:44:44,074 --> 00:44:46,634
given to them but am clerk. I think council does

617
00:44:46,634 --> 00:44:52,064
have that wherewithal because in responding. To the resolutions that

618
00:44:52,064 --> 00:44:55,904
are presented. We are basically addressing the premises of what

619
00:44:55,904 --> 00:45:01,104
they're requesting. In the money. $54,000 to go for seed

620
00:45:01,104 --> 00:45:05,024
projects and $25,000 to go for the hiring of an

621
00:45:05,024 --> 00:45:08,584
individual. I am seeing in this resolution that we are

622
00:45:08,584 --> 00:45:12,772
going to give you 29,000 for. Seed funding and 25,000.

623
00:45:14,569 --> 00:45:17,353
For the hiring of an individual. It amounts to the

624
00:45:17,353 --> 00:45:20,313
same thing. It is a cut in the total amount.

625
00:45:21,565 --> 00:45:24,855
That they are seeking, but. It does play the King

626
00:45:24,855 --> 00:45:27,775
Solomon role here of giving you the best of a

627
00:45:27,775 --> 00:45:31,912
very difficult situation. All right. Are you proposing that as

628
00:45:31,912 --> 00:45:35,392
an amendment? An official amendment, councilor. I am, if the

629
00:45:35,392 --> 00:45:39,105
mover and secondary were accepting of it. That would be

630
00:45:39,105 --> 00:45:42,945
an official amendment. Perhaps you may request for someone else

631
00:45:42,945 --> 00:45:50,215
to second the motion. Is there a seconder, Councilor Hollingsworth,

632
00:45:50,215 --> 00:45:55,344
or you're second? Put your hand up. Okay, I'll ask

633
00:45:55,344 --> 00:45:57,264
again. Is there a second or for the amendment? Councilor

634
00:45:57,264 --> 00:45:57,744
McDonald.

635
00:46:12,449 --> 00:46:15,849
We're now debating the amendment specifically. We'll get back to

636
00:46:15,849 --> 00:46:18,049
the main subject after. This, so I'll start with Councilor

637
00:46:18,049 --> 00:46:21,857
Hollingsworth. The answer will be no either way. Can I

638
00:46:21,857 --> 00:46:25,017
just get it read back so I know exactly? What

639
00:46:25,017 --> 00:46:28,257
it is I'm debating because it seems kind of muddied

640
00:46:28,257 --> 00:46:31,473
to me, right? Now. All right, let me find that

641
00:46:31,473 --> 00:46:36,793
section here. That 54,000. That $54,000 be added to the

642
00:46:36,793 --> 00:46:42,193
2026 budget for SDC and that SDC be given the

643
00:46:42,193 --> 00:46:47,643
directive that $29,000 would be for seed project. And $25,000

644
00:46:47,643 --> 00:46:52,411
towards the engagement of a part time employee. Fair enough.

645
00:46:52,411 --> 00:46:56,371
I'll make it succinct. Your worship, I don't want to

646
00:46:56,371 --> 00:46:59,971
support giving money to anybody because I don't want to

647
00:46:59,971 --> 00:47:06,037
raise any more costs to the taxpayers. Thank you. Thank

648
00:47:06,037 --> 00:47:08,437
you, councilor. Good. You're next. And councilor Ginjo. Thank you.

649
00:47:08,437 --> 00:47:11,517
Through Mr. Mayor, I appreciate the spirit of the amendment.

650
00:47:12,998 --> 00:47:16,958
I don't necessarily think it changes meaningfully the original motion.

651
00:47:16,958 --> 00:47:19,678
And further to that, I don't know that we necessarily

652
00:47:19,678 --> 00:47:23,838
have a mechanism in place to have them report back

653
00:47:23,838 --> 00:47:26,518
to us on how that money was spent, and if

654
00:47:26,518 --> 00:47:29,718
that's the business we want to get. Into. I know.

655
00:47:29,718 --> 00:47:32,638
For instance, with our municipal grants, it's very, very specified.

656
00:47:33,264 --> 00:47:36,784
They need to report their expenses, et cetera. That's an

657
00:47:36,784 --> 00:47:42,344
administrative burden to us, and to them. But I would

658
00:47:42,344 --> 00:47:45,024
imagine that they'd be amenable to discussions about where the

659
00:47:45,024 --> 00:47:49,784
money goes and ensuring that. These particular events. Continue to

660
00:47:49,784 --> 00:47:52,024
be funded through some of this. I'm not going to

661
00:47:52,024 --> 00:47:55,424
support the amendment because I don't think that restricting any

662
00:47:55,424 --> 00:48:00,281
money. Is necessarily productive, but I will support the main

663
00:48:00,281 --> 00:48:06,506
motion. Thank you. Thank you, Councilor Ginjo. Mr. Mayor, I'm

664
00:48:06,506 --> 00:48:12,497
not going to support. The amendment because. I'm not prepared.

665
00:48:12,497 --> 00:48:14,977
Even if I recognize that SDC is a very big

666
00:48:14,977 --> 00:48:18,674
player in our community. But we are going through a

667
00:48:18,674 --> 00:48:24,040
very tough. Budget time, so I'm not prepared to give

668
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:28,120
that much money to SDC. So I'm not supporting the

669
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,840
amendment. Nada. I'm not supporting the motion, too. Thank you.

670
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,709
Mr. Mayor. Thank you, councilor Bennett. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

671
00:48:35,709 --> 00:48:39,069
Through you. Well, I do appreciate what my colleague is

672
00:48:39,069 --> 00:48:44,334
trying to do here. They currently have two part time

673
00:48:44,334 --> 00:48:46,134
employees. One is on the way with the door within

674
00:48:46,134 --> 00:48:50,728
weeks. Just as a plan to exit, which is going

675
00:48:50,728 --> 00:48:53,168
to leave one part time anyway. A lot of this

676
00:48:53,168 --> 00:48:59,091
money goes towards. Not really seeding these organizations, but keep

677
00:48:59,091 --> 00:49:02,651
keeping these things afloat and sponsoring these events and there's

678
00:49:02,651 --> 00:49:05,251
$54,000 isn't even close to what it cost to put

679
00:49:05,251 --> 00:49:09,034
all these events on, it's not even close. It's a

680
00:49:09,034 --> 00:49:12,994
very small portion. Almost every one of these events requires

681
00:49:12,994 --> 00:49:17,469
somebody to go and get sponsors for. So major corporation

682
00:49:17,469 --> 00:49:23,480
sponsors, individual sponsors. Sometimes other levels of government sponsorships. That

683
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,520
in itself is a full time job because it doesn't

684
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,800
cost $54,000 to do all these things. It costs hundreds

685
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,415
of thousands of dollars. The 54,000 is going to be

686
00:49:33,415 --> 00:49:36,015
spent on a part time employee, and some of these

687
00:49:36,015 --> 00:49:39,255
events, but for the most part, that person's job is

688
00:49:39,255 --> 00:49:42,655
to get sponsorships. So these events can happen. These organizations

689
00:49:42,655 --> 00:49:51,066
get the help they need. Youth spaces. Get support. The

690
00:49:51,066 --> 00:49:54,346
cultural events get support. That's what they do. And what

691
00:49:54,346 --> 00:49:56,506
they do is they go. Out and find all this

692
00:49:56,506 --> 00:49:58,746
money to do it so they are only have a

693
00:49:58,746 --> 00:50:01,546
part time and the money will go towards exactly what

694
00:50:01,546 --> 00:50:07,304
you're proposing. So to give them a percentage. I don't

695
00:50:07,304 --> 00:50:10,064
think is right because maybe it's 26,000 in the other

696
00:50:10,064 --> 00:50:12,624
or maybe it's 31,000 in the other, but I'm not

697
00:50:12,624 --> 00:50:15,144
going to. Try and put handcuffs on how they spend

698
00:50:15,144 --> 00:50:16,784
it for a couple of percents one way or the

699
00:50:16,784 --> 00:50:20,364
other. I think the original motion that I had made.

700
00:50:21,962 --> 00:50:24,122
Will basically do the same thing. It just gives them

701
00:50:24,122 --> 00:50:30,881
more control. Thank you. Further comments on the amendment. Council

702
00:50:30,881 --> 00:50:33,553
savory. Do you want to wrap up? Thank you, Mr.

703
00:50:33,553 --> 00:50:37,540
Mere. I really don't have anything to add by way

704
00:50:37,540 --> 00:50:40,100
of comment to it. I did see this as a

705
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:42,820
situation where we're trying to give them the best of

706
00:50:42,820 --> 00:50:46,060
both worlds at the same time. As I mentioned in

707
00:50:46,060 --> 00:50:50,825
my earlier comment, Projects that are being undertaken, such as

708
00:50:50,825 --> 00:50:58,003
the senior fair. We're trying to. Be more invigorated with

709
00:50:58,003 --> 00:51:02,704
regards to trying to get community support so that. There

710
00:51:02,704 --> 00:51:06,504
is greater or less impact on dependence of support from

711
00:51:06,504 --> 00:51:09,984
the council or from the city and in that respect.

712
00:51:11,192 --> 00:51:13,392
I think it would apply all across the board to

713
00:51:13,392 --> 00:51:15,632
all of their projects. But I know the challenges that

714
00:51:15,632 --> 00:51:19,241
are out there. I read the room. I understand the

715
00:51:19,241 --> 00:51:24,415
thinking. And we'll have the vote. All right. Thank you.

716
00:51:24,415 --> 00:51:26,975
You're going to call the vote on the amendment. All

717
00:51:26,975 --> 00:51:35,812
in favor? All opposed? The amendment is defeated. We're back

718
00:51:35,812 --> 00:51:39,570
to the main motion. Any further comments on the main

719
00:51:39,570 --> 00:51:44,618
motion? Councilor Bennett, do you want to wrap up? I

720
00:51:44,618 --> 00:51:48,503
do. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So that big list I

721
00:51:48,503 --> 00:51:52,023
just read, as I mentioned in my comments to the

722
00:51:52,023 --> 00:51:59,234
amendment, we just spoke about. This 54,000 doesn't. Cover almost

723
00:51:59,234 --> 00:52:02,914
any of this. What this does is it facilitates these

724
00:52:02,914 --> 00:52:06,194
things from happening, because the group goes out, finds the

725
00:52:06,194 --> 00:52:08,914
money to make sure these events happen, they get the

726
00:52:08,914 --> 00:52:11,594
sponsorships that needed. To make these events happen. And we

727
00:52:11,594 --> 00:52:15,316
talk about this is a tough budget year. This group

728
00:52:15,316 --> 00:52:18,516
is very much involved in poverty reduction. You're talking about

729
00:52:18,516 --> 00:52:20,876
a tough budget year. How much more is going to

730
00:52:20,876 --> 00:52:23,316
cost our human services when more people are being forced

731
00:52:23,316 --> 00:52:25,476
to other homes. How much more is it going to

732
00:52:25,476 --> 00:52:27,796
cost us when more people are showing up at food?

733
00:52:27,796 --> 00:52:32,133
Banks. To get the support they need because of the

734
00:52:32,133 --> 00:52:35,786
economy we're in, and we have an organization here. Who's

735
00:52:35,786 --> 00:52:38,186
one of their mandates is to make sure that people

736
00:52:38,186 --> 00:52:39,666
are able to stay in their homes, people are able

737
00:52:39,666 --> 00:52:43,466
to get food. Youth are being taught and educated on

738
00:52:43,466 --> 00:52:46,386
the importance of food literacy, so they know how to

739
00:52:46,386 --> 00:52:50,106
what is a good food, how to prepare it. These

740
00:52:50,106 --> 00:52:52,186
sound like simple things that we all take for granted.

741
00:52:52,186 --> 00:52:55,248
But these aren't simple things. These are problems. We have

742
00:52:55,248 --> 00:52:58,448
one of the highest populations for people on social services

743
00:52:58,448 --> 00:53:02,708
in the province. By far. Who's supporting those people? Us.

744
00:53:02,708 --> 00:53:05,068
Because we want to say, $54,000 in a tough budget

745
00:53:05,068 --> 00:53:10,228
year. That $54,000 barely covers the cost of what this

746
00:53:10,228 --> 00:53:14,440
group does for the people that are truly vulnerable. In

747
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,560
our community. The fact that the SD and G didn't

748
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,880
see the value in that doesn't mean we're carrying the

749
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,560
ball for SD and G. It means we're. Caring about

750
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,000
the people that live in our city, and if they

751
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,360
don't want to. Take part, that's fine. They have other

752
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:27,880
predators. They may have other ways of taking care. Of

753
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,160
it? I don't know. But all I know is the

754
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,240
people in our community are. Struggling, and a lot of

755
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:34,800
them are suffering, and somebody's got to look. After it.

756
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,920
And we don't have the capacity to do it all.

757
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,994
We just don't. To me, this is the $54,000 is

758
00:53:41,994 --> 00:53:45,154
saving us hundreds of thousands, but that's. Just my opinion.

759
00:53:45,154 --> 00:53:47,474
I'll leave it for the rest of you to consider

760
00:53:47,474 --> 00:53:50,154
when we make our vote. Thank you. Thank you. That

761
00:53:50,154 --> 00:53:53,765
I'm going to call the vote. All in. Favor. All

762
00:53:53,765 --> 00:54:00,003
opposed? Motions defeated. Thank you. We'll move on. Madam clerk.

763
00:54:07,773 --> 00:54:11,173
The third proposition this evening is proposed by Councilor Sarah

764
00:54:11,173 --> 00:54:15,768
Good, seconded by councilor Todd. Bennett. Now therefore, be it

765
00:54:15,768 --> 00:54:18,248
resolved by council am in the mayor's proposed budget as

766
00:54:18,248 --> 00:54:23,608
follows that the city provide SDC with 25,000 in 2026

767
00:54:23,608 --> 00:54:26,888
to support the hiring of a part time staff member

768
00:54:26,888 --> 00:54:30,585
to continue their work through this transitional year. And that

769
00:54:30,585 --> 00:54:34,225
the amount of 30,000 dedicated to your arts council be

770
00:54:34,225 --> 00:54:37,945
reduced to 25,000 to offset the cost and that the

771
00:54:37,945 --> 00:54:41,625
amount of 35,000 dedicated to diversity cornwall be reduced to

772
00:54:41,625 --> 00:54:45,705
25,000 to offset the cost and let the net increase

773
00:54:45,705 --> 00:54:48,385
to the budget any amount of $10,000 be funded by

774
00:54:48,385 --> 00:54:51,561
the tax base. And at this resolution, if approved by

775
00:54:51,561 --> 00:54:53,761
the majority of council, be submitted to the mayor and

776
00:54:53,761 --> 00:54:57,041
clerk. In accordance to section two 8416, four of the

777
00:54:57,041 --> 00:55:01,281
municipal act, and that section two 8416. Four. Should the

778
00:55:01,281 --> 00:55:05,441
mayor veto this amendment, adopted by council by council, may,

779
00:55:05,441 --> 00:55:08,961
in accordance with regulations override the head of council veto

780
00:55:08,961 --> 00:55:12,097
under section four. If two thirds of the members of

781
00:55:12,097 --> 00:55:14,937
council vote to override the veto at its January 29

782
00:55:14,937 --> 00:55:19,697
2026, as permitted under section 284 16 of the Municipal

783
00:55:19,697 --> 00:55:26,819
Act. Councilor. Good. Thank you. Through you, Mr. Mayor. We

784
00:55:26,819 --> 00:55:31,620
are in the business of making difficult decisions. That's no

785
00:55:31,620 --> 00:55:35,473
surprise. And. There is no decision that we make that

786
00:55:35,473 --> 00:55:39,310
is any more difficult than our budget decisions. And when

787
00:55:39,310 --> 00:55:44,150
it comes to supporting outside agencies, there's so many considerations.

788
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:46,790
This is something that's come up year after year after

789
00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:49,750
year as a challenge for us because we recognize the

790
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:52,830
value that they provide to our community. And as councilor

791
00:55:52,830 --> 00:55:58,901
Bennett mentioned, It would cost us. Several times more the

792
00:55:58,901 --> 00:56:02,421
amount to do all of this stuff ourselves than it

793
00:56:02,421 --> 00:56:08,832
does to invest just a very small amount. This motion

794
00:56:08,832 --> 00:56:11,512
is, in effect, my last ditch effort. And I'll be

795
00:56:11,512 --> 00:56:18,169
very honest. When I had a conversation. In regards to.

796
00:56:19,902 --> 00:56:22,542
Including this in the budget. I said, quite frankly, I

797
00:56:22,542 --> 00:56:24,782
don't know that the rest of council will support adding

798
00:56:24,782 --> 00:56:29,422
54,000 to the budget, even though the impact on the

799
00:56:29,422 --> 00:56:34,180
overall tax is minimal. It has to be something that.

800
00:56:36,218 --> 00:56:40,435
We can justify. And. Have a very minimal impact. Can

801
00:56:40,435 --> 00:56:44,327
we include in there with the addition of $10,000? Would

802
00:56:44,327 --> 00:56:54,048
be. Okay, so we're talking. $0.45. So.

803
00:56:55,709 --> 00:57:00,178
$0.45. To the average taxpayer. Am I right with that

804
00:57:00,178 --> 00:57:05,688
math? No. It's less than that. It's like $0.20. No.

805
00:57:05,688 --> 00:57:11,516
Okay, whatever. It doesn't matter. $0.45. I am not thrilled

806
00:57:11,516 --> 00:57:13,436
about the fact that it takes away from other community

807
00:57:13,436 --> 00:57:17,356
organizations, but the purpose for doing so is to ensure

808
00:57:17,356 --> 00:57:21,956
equity between the organizations, the outside organizations who we are

809
00:57:21,956 --> 00:57:28,151
supporting through. This process. I think this is a reasonable

810
00:57:28,151 --> 00:57:31,751
amount. And through discussions with some of the members at

811
00:57:31,751 --> 00:57:36,404
the SDC. Obviously not my colleague here, but the nice

812
00:57:36,404 --> 00:57:39,754
lady in the crowd over there. This is like the

813
00:57:39,754 --> 00:57:44,838
bare minimum. This is really the bare minimum. That can

814
00:57:44,838 --> 00:57:48,278
allow them to even apply for the other funding that

815
00:57:48,278 --> 00:57:52,278
is necessary in order to continue. This organization and should

816
00:57:52,278 --> 00:57:55,598
this be the province's responsibility? Yes. Would I love for

817
00:57:55,598 --> 00:57:58,478
them to be paying for it. Yes, but we have

818
00:57:58,478 --> 00:58:02,918
a responsibility to our residents in Cornwall to ensure that.

819
00:58:02,918 --> 00:58:09,545
We are supporting. Programs that give them a greater security

820
00:58:09,545 --> 00:58:13,905
in life, that help them with employment opportunities, that help

821
00:58:13,905 --> 00:58:17,665
reduce poverty, ensure that our young people are safe and

822
00:58:17,665 --> 00:58:21,785
well adjusted. And I believe strongly that this organization has

823
00:58:21,785 --> 00:58:24,305
a huge role to play here. I'm not willing to

824
00:58:24,305 --> 00:58:28,489
let them sink. Program. So I implore you to improve.

825
00:58:29,772 --> 00:58:37,037
This very. Very minimal increase of $10,000. To this budget.

826
00:58:37,037 --> 00:58:41,512
Thank you. For the comments. Councilor Bennett. Thank you, Mr.

827
00:58:43,228 --> 00:58:44,788
Through you. I've made all the comments I think I

828
00:58:44,788 --> 00:58:46,868
need to make as to why. We should be supporting

829
00:58:46,868 --> 00:58:51,625
this organization, but. I had a conversation, obviously, with councilor

830
00:58:51,625 --> 00:58:55,897
good about this. It's unfortunate. We need to cut others

831
00:58:55,897 --> 00:58:59,217
to try to make something more palatable for us, but

832
00:58:59,217 --> 00:59:05,299
I can't stress enough. We cannot let an organization like

833
00:59:05,299 --> 00:59:11,308
this just go. After funding them for well over a

834
00:59:11,308 --> 00:59:15,068
dozen years. Whether it was in the province responsibility, sure.

835
00:59:16,765 --> 00:59:20,285
Was that funding helping our citizens? Absolutely. When the province

836
00:59:20,285 --> 00:59:23,005
stopped, do we let our citizens hang? I don't think

837
00:59:23,005 --> 00:59:27,351
that's what we do. I think this is a nice

838
00:59:27,351 --> 00:59:32,231
compromise to what I just tried to have passed. It

839
00:59:32,231 --> 00:59:37,106
gives them some the money that hopefully they can. Stay

840
00:59:37,106 --> 00:59:39,946
hope for this year and keep their good work going.

841
00:59:39,946 --> 00:59:43,026
That they do. They are partnering with the OTB will

842
00:59:43,026 --> 00:59:44,986
be under their umbrella. So some of their administration straight

843
00:59:44,986 --> 00:59:49,035
of costs are coming. Down. So I'm hoping that this

844
00:59:49,035 --> 00:59:53,401
compromise passes. Because we cannot underestimate the value of this

845
00:59:53,401 --> 00:59:56,841
organization has on our more vulnerable citizens. I know, we're

846
00:59:56,841 --> 00:59:59,281
hearing a lot of complaints from the people that are

847
00:59:59,281 --> 01:00:03,957
paying these. Tax increases, and I understand the frustration. I

848
01:00:03,957 --> 01:00:05,517
have a house I'm going to be paying. These increases.

849
01:00:07,471 --> 01:00:11,466
But I do see that this increase. Is a little

850
01:00:11,466 --> 01:00:14,346
easier to swallow if I know that we're doing what

851
01:00:14,346 --> 01:00:16,946
we can to look after our more vulnerable citizens. I

852
01:00:16,946 --> 01:00:18,786
think this is a nice compromise, and I will support

853
01:00:18,786 --> 01:00:25,777
it. Further comments. Excuse me, councilor McDonald. Thank you, Mr.

854
01:00:25,777 --> 01:00:32,112
Mayor. So. I found a particular element of this motion

855
01:00:32,112 --> 01:00:37,679
extremely hard to countenance and. That is. I mean, I

856
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:39,359
think when we come here, we want to add something

857
01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:43,122
to the budget. We're adding it to the taxpayer. There

858
01:00:43,122 --> 01:00:45,882
isn't a single tax paper who stand up and say,

859
01:00:45,882 --> 01:00:50,322
I've got deep. Pockets. But the taxpayers have deeper pockets

860
01:00:50,322 --> 01:00:55,402
than those organizations from whom this motion suggests we take

861
01:00:55,402 --> 01:00:58,933
some of the funding. Because that funding, first of all,

862
01:00:58,933 --> 01:01:02,333
isn't assured. It hasn't been passed yet, and I do

863
01:01:02,333 --> 01:01:05,653
have some problems with that mechanism this year that was

864
01:01:05,653 --> 01:01:09,653
adopted whereby people could apply directly to the mayor's office.

865
01:01:11,171 --> 01:01:13,371
But that's neither here nor there. Some of that money

866
01:01:13,371 --> 01:01:18,191
that we're talking about. Allocating. In this motion comes from

867
01:01:18,191 --> 01:01:22,231
some of. Those bequests, I guess you could call them,

868
01:01:22,231 --> 01:01:26,591
or allocations. And they're not. Certain. But this just shows

869
01:01:26,591 --> 01:01:29,271
how small the pie is when you start stealing pieces

870
01:01:29,271 --> 01:01:32,871
of somebody else's. Piece of pie. This is an absolutely

871
01:01:32,871 --> 01:01:41,329
objectionable motion, and. I just. Reject. Rejected. Thank you. Thank

872
01:01:41,329 --> 01:01:45,821
you. Further comments, questions? On council. Good. Do you want

873
01:01:45,821 --> 01:01:51,385
to wrap up? Thank you so much. It is objectionable

874
01:01:51,385 --> 01:01:55,385
that we are willing to not support an organization that

875
01:01:55,385 --> 01:02:00,025
hands down impacts more other nonprofits within our community than

876
01:02:00,025 --> 01:02:04,348
any other. And I would bet money on that. We

877
01:02:04,348 --> 01:02:08,108
are not taking away from any other organizations. They have

878
01:02:08,108 --> 01:02:11,268
not received that money. We have not approved this budget.

879
01:02:11,268 --> 01:02:13,868
This is a compromise to ensure that we are being

880
01:02:13,868 --> 01:02:17,388
strategic in where we are. Investing our dollars to have

881
01:02:17,388 --> 01:02:22,604
the maximum impact for our residents. I caution all of

882
01:02:22,604 --> 01:02:26,884
you that if we see the vacuum that is caused

883
01:02:26,884 --> 01:02:30,204
by the absence of the SDC and next year and

884
01:02:30,204 --> 01:02:32,844
next term, when we're all running for election, we're hearing

885
01:02:32,844 --> 01:02:36,444
about these events that are no longer taking place, these

886
01:02:36,444 --> 01:02:40,235
tables that are no longer sitting. People who don't have

887
01:02:40,235 --> 01:02:44,925
a voice anymore. Because the place where they went. Was

888
01:02:44,925 --> 01:02:47,845
a table that was organized by the SDC, was an

889
01:02:47,845 --> 01:02:50,765
event that was organized even the Nerf wars where the

890
01:02:50,765 --> 01:02:56,840
kids go and this seems so. Trivial, but it isn't.

891
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,280
This is what keeps our kids from getting in trouble.

892
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,760
This is. What keeps our seniors well connected to our

893
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,520
community and supported. This is what allows people who have

894
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,840
been out of employment for a significant period of time.

895
01:03:09,107 --> 01:03:12,454
To get back to get on their feet. And so

896
01:03:12,454 --> 01:03:16,294
I really believe that this is a fair compromise. It

897
01:03:16,294 --> 01:03:20,534
provides three organizations with an equal amount of funding that

898
01:03:20,534 --> 01:03:25,707
should. Be enough to help them get by this year

899
01:03:25,707 --> 01:03:29,469
in a very hard year for all of us. 10,000

900
01:03:29,469 --> 01:03:32,229
is not going to have a meaningful impact on this

901
01:03:32,229 --> 01:03:34,309
budget, on what people pay. But it will have a

902
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:37,229
meaningful impact on these organizations. I urge you to vote

903
01:03:37,229 --> 01:03:41,725
in favor. Okay, thank you. With that, we'll call the

904
01:03:41,725 --> 01:03:47,679
vote. All in favor? All opposed. Motion is carried. Thank

905
01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:47,719
you.

906
01:04:00,393 --> 01:04:06,408
Madame clerk. The next item of business is the adjournment.

907
01:04:06,408 --> 01:04:08,762
Mr. May. Before we get there, are there any other

908
01:04:08,762 --> 01:04:11,882
motions that were not submitted in advance that any council

909
01:04:11,882 --> 01:04:16,428
would like to table at this time. Councilor Alingsworth. I

910
01:04:16,428 --> 01:04:19,148
have a question, you, worship, in terms of where we

911
01:04:19,148 --> 01:04:24,104
go now. Because I don't know. So the budget from

912
01:04:24,104 --> 01:04:28,139
an inn was presented. Council has decided to add a

913
01:04:28,139 --> 01:04:33,233
little extra cash. You have this veto provision or whatever

914
01:04:33,233 --> 01:04:38,623
the case may be. So, like, is our budget. When

915
01:04:38,623 --> 01:04:45,132
do we officially have a budget? Ms. Bailey. Thank you.

916
01:04:45,132 --> 01:04:51,186
Through Mr. Mayor. Two things. There hasn't been any amendments

917
01:04:51,186 --> 01:04:54,826
requested by counsel for the mayor's consideration for the water

918
01:04:54,826 --> 01:04:58,626
and wastewater budget. And because there isn't any, that budget

919
01:04:58,626 --> 01:05:04,210
is deemed adopted. At the January twelveth meeting, administration will

920
01:05:04,210 --> 01:05:07,370
put on both the water bylaw and the sewer. Bylaw.

921
01:05:09,028 --> 01:05:14,215
To secure those rates for 2026. And start our billing

922
01:05:14,215 --> 01:05:18,871
process for the taxation or general taxation budget. There is.

923
01:05:20,096 --> 01:05:24,152
One amendment from council that was approved. Therefore, that amendment.

924
01:05:25,906 --> 01:05:31,140
Will be provided to the mayor for his consideration. He

925
01:05:31,140 --> 01:05:36,187
has ten days to provide. His decision. If he approves

926
01:05:36,187 --> 01:05:39,507
it, the budget steamed adopted. If he does not approve

927
01:05:39,507 --> 01:05:43,787
it, it comes back to the January 29 special budget

928
01:05:43,787 --> 01:05:48,107
meeting of council and council can override the mayor's. Veto

929
01:05:48,107 --> 01:05:52,876
with two thirds vote. So, just so I'm clear, worst

930
01:05:52,876 --> 01:05:56,156
case or longest case, I guess, is the better word.

931
01:05:56,156 --> 01:05:58,956
We have a budget by the end of January, assuming.

932
01:06:00,351 --> 01:06:03,231
If you chose to veto. I don't know what your

933
01:06:03,231 --> 01:06:08,160
thinking is. But realistically, at the end of January, we

934
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,396
will have a budget no matter what. Is that making

935
01:06:11,396 --> 01:06:17,782
sense to you? Yes. Shake itself out. Thank you. Councilor

936
01:06:17,782 --> 01:06:24,794
Ginjo. Mr. Mayor. Thank you very much. I think this

937
01:06:24,794 --> 01:06:28,201
is the first budget. That we have with the strong

938
01:06:28,201 --> 01:06:31,387
mayor. And I'm going to be honest with you. It's

939
01:06:31,387 --> 01:06:37,647
a new process that I'm going through. And. I have

940
01:06:37,647 --> 01:06:42,367
a lot of questions about Jay's budget. Do we have

941
01:06:42,367 --> 01:06:49,095
as counselor the power to discuss. Funds that were allowed.

942
01:06:52,149 --> 01:06:58,114
By the mayor. If yes, what is the process? Well,

943
01:06:58,114 --> 01:07:01,594
council, we were just doing that today via the motions

944
01:07:01,594 --> 01:07:04,554
that were submitted in advance. Motions? Can be made from

945
01:07:04,554 --> 01:07:09,349
the floor, but now's the time. Thank you, Mr. Mayor,

946
01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:15,270
because here tonight, we're just discussing. Motion. To allow budget

947
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:19,773
to organization. But let's say I want to discuss how

948
01:07:19,773 --> 01:07:27,592
to withdraw. Budget that is allowed to. The airport. Yeah,

949
01:07:27,592 --> 01:07:31,472
absolutely. Anything in the budget, any motion regarding the budget

950
01:07:31,472 --> 01:07:33,512
can be introduced today. Ideally it was meant to be

951
01:07:33,512 --> 01:07:38,352
submitted in advance to be added to the agenda for

952
01:07:38,352 --> 01:07:43,742
discussion. Similar to the three that we just discussed. But

953
01:07:43,742 --> 01:07:48,572
yes. You can put forward a motion now to discuss

954
01:07:48,572 --> 01:07:51,332
that and see if there's a seconder. Thank you, Mr.

955
01:07:51,332 --> 01:07:58,667
Mayor. Because honestly, This was the first time. That. I

956
01:07:58,667 --> 01:08:02,067
was going through this. And yes, I have few questions,

957
01:08:02,067 --> 01:08:05,012
at least, that I would like, so. We still have

958
01:08:05,012 --> 01:08:11,494
1000. More than 1000 that we're going to allow. To

959
01:08:11,494 --> 01:08:18,907
the. University. Sorry. To the Cornwall Regional Airport. I remember

960
01:08:18,907 --> 01:08:25,210
that. We opened the discussion, like, two years ago. This

961
01:08:25,210 --> 01:08:29,723
is still on the table. And. Once again this year

962
01:08:29,723 --> 01:08:33,982
we're going to spend more than 1000. For this airport.

963
01:08:35,831 --> 01:08:38,791
I would like to bring this discussion under the table,

964
01:08:38,791 --> 01:08:42,575
and if I have a second. I would like to

965
01:08:42,575 --> 01:08:48,654
withdraw this budget if there is no impact. Into. Our

966
01:08:48,654 --> 01:08:51,541
relationship with. The airport. Thank you, Mr. Mayo. Okay, is

967
01:08:51,541 --> 01:08:53,861
there second or for that motion to withdraw funding from.

968
01:08:53,861 --> 01:09:02,872
The airport. Councilor sabre. Okay, so. Sorry. One time.

969
01:09:05,691 --> 01:09:11,775
Can you provide the number, please, councilor? I need the

970
01:09:11,775 --> 01:09:20,681
council. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Page. 233. Cornwall and Regional

971
01:09:20,681 --> 01:09:26,075
Airport. It's 1010 hundred. Okay.

972
01:09:32,158 --> 01:09:34,038
There's a motion on the table. Councilor, do you have

973
01:09:34,038 --> 01:09:36,958
anything further ahead as we entered the debate on it.

974
01:09:36,958 --> 01:09:45,780
Yes, Mr. Mayor. We have a lot of issue. Regarding

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01:09:45,780 --> 01:09:52,577
this budget and. It's very tough. To allocate budget into

976
01:09:52,577 --> 01:10:01,829
our community. And we are struggling. About. Many. We are

977
01:10:01,829 --> 01:10:10,373
struggling. About. Giving budgeting organization from Cornwall. And once again,

978
01:10:10,373 --> 01:10:16,532
we had long discussion about. The impact of having. Our

979
01:10:16,532 --> 01:10:21,212
funding the Cornwall and Reginald Airport, and I think we

980
01:10:21,212 --> 01:10:27,318
had a couple of discussion here and still. I. Still

981
01:10:27,318 --> 01:10:33,413
don't understand the impact of these airport. Into the Cornwall

982
01:10:33,413 --> 01:10:37,826
life. So since we are going through very tough budget

983
01:10:37,826 --> 01:10:44,400
time, 30 seconds. I will invite my colleague to consider

984
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:49,622
withdrawing. This budget. To the cornwall regional airport. Thank you,

985
01:10:49,622 --> 01:10:56,311
Mr. Mayor. Mr. Cao. So, rolling back to 1984, there's

986
01:10:56,311 --> 01:11:00,992
an agreement between the city of Cornwall. And the township

987
01:11:00,992 --> 01:11:04,824
of South Klinger. We jointly own the airport. That carried

988
01:11:04,824 --> 01:11:06,824
on for a number of years, and then four years

989
01:11:06,824 --> 01:11:09,704
ago, through emotions for the city. Of Cornwall. The city

990
01:11:09,704 --> 01:11:15,466
of Cornwall passed a motion through council. That they wanted

991
01:11:15,466 --> 01:11:18,892
out of the airport agreement. There's no exit clause in

992
01:11:18,892 --> 01:11:23,114
the agreement. Such that we have been in negotiations as

993
01:11:23,114 --> 01:11:27,714
a city to get out of the agreement. And that's

994
01:11:27,714 --> 01:11:30,609
where it stands. Alternative to the treasurer because I wasn't

995
01:11:30,609 --> 01:11:35,741
here last year during budget, but. The deferred revenue paid

996
01:11:35,741 --> 01:11:40,348
for the contributions last year to the airport. That now

997
01:11:40,348 --> 01:11:43,148
does not exist. So we have a responsibility based on

998
01:11:43,148 --> 01:11:46,943
the agreement we currently have. With the township of self

999
01:11:46,943 --> 01:11:51,477
lunger to pay that amount. Until such time, we're no

1000
01:11:51,477 --> 01:11:58,832
longer. In the agreement with the airport. So we through?

1001
01:12:04,182 --> 01:12:06,542
We presently are in negotiations with the township of South

1002
01:12:06,542 --> 01:12:10,819
Glengary. To exit from the agreement. But there is no

1003
01:12:10,819 --> 01:12:16,052
agreement yet. We have not agreed. On the exit terms.

1004
01:12:17,847 --> 01:12:24,110
So because we can't agree on the exit terms. We

1005
01:12:24,110 --> 01:12:30,556
continue to pay our portion of the operational costs. I

1006
01:12:30,556 --> 01:12:33,356
don't know if Treasurer Bailey wants to have any further.

1007
01:12:33,356 --> 01:12:39,194
Ms. Bailey, do you have. Anything to add? Maybe just

1008
01:12:39,194 --> 01:12:43,154
further detail on the deferred revenue. The deferred revenue was

1009
01:12:43,154 --> 01:12:48,417
monies. Held by the airport for previous year's surpluses. And

1010
01:12:48,417 --> 01:12:51,297
deficits. So the net of the surpluses and deficits it

1011
01:12:51,297 --> 01:12:55,454
was held. With the airport as deferred revenue, and that

1012
01:12:55,454 --> 01:13:00,147
was how we made our payment. In 2025. So it's

1013
01:13:00,147 --> 01:13:02,267
not like the city did not make its payment. It

1014
01:13:02,267 --> 01:13:09,141
did. Just a further. I recently met with the CEO

1015
01:13:09,141 --> 01:13:13,539
in south klinger. And through the direction of council. We've

1016
01:13:13,539 --> 01:13:15,659
been going back and forth. We expect a response. From

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01:13:15,659 --> 01:13:23,516
them. Soon. But it continues on without an agreement. Thank

1018
01:13:23,516 --> 01:13:27,961
you. I have Councilor Macintosh. Next. Paris peace accord took

1019
01:13:27,961 --> 01:13:31,864
less time. I've been here twelve years, and we've been

1020
01:13:31,864 --> 01:13:36,030
discussing it for twelve years. I don't think it's ever

1021
01:13:36,030 --> 01:13:38,110
going to be solved, because if we haven't. Done it

1022
01:13:38,110 --> 01:13:43,539
now. I think we had. A law firm from DLG

1023
01:13:43,539 --> 01:13:47,147
maybe involved in this at one time. It just never

1024
01:13:47,147 --> 01:13:52,118
ends. I'm almost ready to give up on this one.

1025
01:13:54,015 --> 01:13:57,655
In your talks to the new Cl who's very familiar

1026
01:13:57,655 --> 01:14:01,760
with our position. Any optimism there. So three. Mr. I'm

1027
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,240
very familiar with the other side, too. That's, right too.

1028
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:08,302
I forgot. You can know that I'm well versed in

1029
01:14:08,302 --> 01:14:10,102
trying my best to get the best. Deal for the

1030
01:14:10,102 --> 01:14:18,779
city. So through Mr. Mayor to the councilor's point, we

1031
01:14:18,779 --> 01:14:25,179
are to pay the operational costs. For 2026. That being

1032
01:14:25,179 --> 01:14:26,659
said, I think we need to bring it back to

1033
01:14:26,659 --> 01:14:29,499
council. It's a closed session item in terms of negotiations,

1034
01:14:29,499 --> 01:14:32,779
right. Where we don't want to talk about negotiations and

1035
01:14:32,779 --> 01:14:39,640
open session. Okay, Councilor Alingsworth. Simply put, your worship, I

1036
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,720
will not support the motion. We are contractually obliged to

1037
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:47,200
honor this. Period. And to not honor it, we potentially

1038
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:51,152
put the municipality at risk. Everybody wants to save money.

1039
01:14:51,152 --> 01:14:56,486
I get it. But currently we have a contract. I'm

1040
01:14:56,486 --> 01:15:02,198
prepared to honor that contract. Thank you, Councilor Salvary. Thank

1041
01:15:02,198 --> 01:15:07,575
you, Mr. Meer. I'm supporting the. Motion for debate purposes,

1042
01:15:07,575 --> 01:15:11,845
but a lot of curiosity with regards to it. When

1043
01:15:11,845 --> 01:15:14,325
you actually look at the budget items, the line items

1044
01:15:14,325 --> 01:15:21,245
and that 2025, actual zero. 2025. Budget zero. And then

1045
01:15:21,245 --> 01:15:24,205
we hear deferred. I would have loved to have known

1046
01:15:24,205 --> 01:15:26,445
that. There was a deferred that, an actual fact that

1047
01:15:26,445 --> 01:15:30,045
the money did come from a pot. Somewhere to address

1048
01:15:30,045 --> 01:15:35,307
it and. When you see a 100% increase on this.

1049
01:15:37,341 --> 01:15:39,981
You're basically asking yourself, well, what did we do last

1050
01:15:39,981 --> 01:15:43,141
year? That there is zero payment. Zero payment, and yet

1051
01:15:43,141 --> 01:15:48,176
it came from another envelope somewhere else. And that. It's

1052
01:15:48,176 --> 01:15:52,367
somewhat confusing, but at the same time, I kind of

1053
01:15:52,367 --> 01:15:55,167
wonder as to how a decision was made that it

1054
01:15:55,167 --> 01:16:00,082
wouldn't be zero. Because. As much as. My friend, Councilor

1055
01:16:00,082 --> 01:16:04,992
Haulingsworth is saying that we have a contractual obligation. There

1056
01:16:04,992 --> 01:16:07,232
was pretty solid direction, and we had taken a pretty

1057
01:16:07,232 --> 01:16:11,312
hard line in discussions with regards to the future of

1058
01:16:11,312 --> 01:16:16,272
our arrangement. And I was somewhat reading this line item

1059
01:16:16,272 --> 01:16:21,404
of the opinion, oh, gee. Our hard line. Basically represented

1060
01:16:21,404 --> 01:16:25,044
a stop in payments, and now I'm finding out that

1061
01:16:25,044 --> 01:16:28,484
there's actually been a process that payments were made and

1062
01:16:28,484 --> 01:16:36,379
honored. Ms billy. Thank you. Through you, Mr. Mayor. The

1063
01:16:36,379 --> 01:16:41,299
decision to utilize the deferred revenue held at the airport

1064
01:16:41,299 --> 01:16:45,659
for the city's 2025. Transfer payment was communicated through the

1065
01:16:45,659 --> 01:16:51,139
2025 budget and again through the 2026 budget. So we

1066
01:16:51,139 --> 01:16:55,219
have language within our executive summary that noted that in

1067
01:16:55,219 --> 01:16:58,440
the 2020. Five budget and then in the 2026 budget.

1068
01:16:59,591 --> 01:17:03,791
We indicated that in 2025, the payment was made through

1069
01:17:03,791 --> 01:17:07,840
deferred revenue. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I guess I'm going

1070
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,160
to have to do a second read on. That summary?

1071
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,600
Because I didn't pick up on it. Thank you. If

1072
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,916
you have any questions. Let me know. Thank you. Further

1073
01:17:15,916 --> 01:17:18,917
questions? Comments? Counseling. Ginjo, do you want to wrap up?

1074
01:17:20,777 --> 01:17:24,763
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So once again, yes, we are

1075
01:17:24,763 --> 01:17:27,443
in contract. But I don't understand why we're going to

1076
01:17:27,443 --> 01:17:35,978
pay. Even. If. We know that. It's not going to

1077
01:17:35,978 --> 01:17:41,962
help us. We're just spending money. For nothing. So going

1078
01:17:41,962 --> 01:17:44,922
through this stuff budget, I think this is one thing

1079
01:17:44,922 --> 01:17:50,192
that we should think about cutting. And we have. To

1080
01:17:50,192 --> 01:17:53,152
do our homework to cut it. So I hope that

1081
01:17:53,152 --> 01:17:56,112
my colleague will support it and cut. It. At least

1082
01:17:56,112 --> 01:17:59,232
it's going to save some money from Conwell resident. Thank

1083
01:17:59,232 --> 01:18:02,072
you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. With that, we'll call the

1084
01:18:02,072 --> 01:18:06,771
vote. Is everyone familiar with the motion? Is. Looks like.

1085
01:18:06,771 --> 01:18:14,021
Yes. All in favor? All opposed? Motion is defeated. Thank

1086
01:18:14,021 --> 01:18:22,621
you. Council, Ginja. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Another question that

1087
01:18:22,621 --> 01:18:28,231
I wanted to discuss tonight is about. The Santra sank

1088
01:18:28,231 --> 01:18:34,145
that we are going to give $50,000. I went on.

1089
01:18:36,987 --> 01:18:44,562
Internet and I checked. It's the first time that we're

1090
01:18:44,562 --> 01:18:49,951
going to give five. 50,000 to this organization, and it

1091
01:18:49,951 --> 01:18:57,534
looks like. It's a religion organization and. I'm not open

1092
01:18:57,534 --> 01:19:03,161
at all to. Give citizen money to an organization that

1093
01:19:03,161 --> 01:19:09,045
is based on trust or religion because. We are here

1094
01:19:09,045 --> 01:19:14,299
to manage money. Of resident and not to give money.

1095
01:19:15,663 --> 01:19:20,543
Based on religion. So I'm not open to give this

1096
01:19:20,543 --> 01:19:24,103
money, and I'm begging. My colleague to withdraw this money.

1097
01:19:25,679 --> 01:19:27,239
To the funding that we're going to give to this

1098
01:19:27,239 --> 01:19:32,658
organization. I hope. I'm going to have a colleague supporting

1099
01:19:32,658 --> 01:19:35,898
this motion so we can remove this. Thank you, Mr.

1100
01:19:35,898 --> 01:19:40,560
Mayor. Is there a seconder for the motion? It's page

1101
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:47,797
233. It's center 105, counselor. Is there a second or

1102
01:19:47,797 --> 01:19:51,494
for the motion? I'll ask a third time. Is there

1103
01:19:51,494 --> 01:19:56,357
a second or for the motion? Can you repeat motion?

1104
01:19:58,927 --> 01:20:01,847
Madam Clerk, my understanding of the motion is to remove

1105
01:20:01,847 --> 01:20:05,447
total funding to center 105 in the amount of, I

1106
01:20:05,447 --> 01:20:10,163
believe, $50,000. I'll ask another time. Is there a second

1107
01:20:10,163 --> 01:20:17,416
or. Motion does not carry forward.

1108
01:20:24,654 --> 01:20:29,560
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. On the last point. Municipal grant

1109
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:33,560
program. I just want to understand a little bit how

1110
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:38,926
we're going to increase. By 1630. 8%. The money that

1111
01:20:38,926 --> 01:20:42,886
is allowed to grant in our community. Is it necessary?

1112
01:20:44,581 --> 01:20:48,263
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. What page are you referencing, counselor?

1113
01:20:48,263 --> 01:20:58,090
Sorry. 233. You,

1114
01:20:58,090 --> 01:21:05,378
Mr. Mayor. 233 municipal grant and we are increasing. My

1115
01:21:05,378 --> 01:21:11,270
understanding we're going to increase. This budget by 1530 8%.

1116
01:21:14,113 --> 01:21:18,673
My question is, is it necessary or what is the

1117
01:21:18,673 --> 01:21:21,993
explanation of this increased? Mr. Mayor, thank you.

1118
01:21:29,170 --> 01:21:35,302
We're on the page. Sorry, councilor. Are you? Yeah, but

1119
01:21:35,302 --> 01:21:39,879
where? On the page. Sorry. Municipal just on the bottom.

1120
01:21:41,534 --> 01:21:50,047
Oh, I see. Okay. Ms. Bailey.

1121
01:21:55,378 --> 01:21:58,058
Thank you. Through you, Mr. Mayor. This is actually just

1122
01:21:58,058 --> 01:22:02,298
an accounting of how the municipal grants program works. The

1123
01:22:02,298 --> 01:22:08,827
Municipal grants program has $170,000 net. And how the accounting

1124
01:22:08,827 --> 01:22:13,414
works is that in one year, They may not. Of

1125
01:22:13,414 --> 01:22:18,390
course, they never spend over. They always approve applications under

1126
01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:21,070
that amount, and then money is going to a reserve,

1127
01:22:21,070 --> 01:22:24,750
and so there's a difference between what is pulled from

1128
01:22:24,750 --> 01:22:28,230
general taxation year after year, depending on how much money

1129
01:22:28,230 --> 01:22:33,089
is actually coming from the reserve, but. The envelope itself

1130
01:22:33,089 --> 01:22:37,030
has not changed. And so the municipal grants review committee

1131
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:42,142
has met. They've gone over those applications. They've made their

1132
01:22:42,142 --> 01:22:46,337
decisions. That report will be coming. To the second January

1133
01:22:46,337 --> 01:22:50,153
of the second meeting in January. But what you're seeing

1134
01:22:50,153 --> 01:22:55,113
at the bottom of page 233 isn't an increase in

1135
01:22:55,113 --> 01:22:57,873
the envelope itself. It's just the way the envelope is

1136
01:22:57,873 --> 01:23:01,052
funded. True, Mr. Mayor. Thank you very much. Good to

1137
01:23:01,052 --> 01:23:05,396
hear that. And I hope we're going to have the

1138
01:23:05,396 --> 01:23:11,638
opportunity. To discuss about. The grant in our community. Thank

1139
01:23:11,638 --> 01:23:17,166
you, Mr. Mayor. That was all. Thank you, councilor. Any

1140
01:23:17,166 --> 01:23:24,486
final motions that were not submitted in advance. Then with

1141
01:23:24,486 --> 01:23:33,067
that, I will call for adjournment. Councilor Savran. Councilor Hollingsworth.

1142
01:23:33,067 --> 01:23:35,667
All in favor? It's carried. Thank you. We are adjourned.