I >> like to call this uh
regular council meeting to order on June 9th, 20126. Will you please turn
yourselves off or on silent and stand and repeat with me or uh pledge of
allegiance?
Thank you.
» Roll call. >> Councelor Mira.
» Councelor Wman >> here.
» Councelor Knight >> here.
» Councelor Bquette >> here.
» Councelor Murray >> here.
» All present. And
may I have a motion to approve the agenda, please?
» So move. >> Is there a motion? A second.
» Second. >> Any discussion?
All in favor say I. >> I.
» Uh oppose say no. Motion carries. Uh next item is the administrator's report.
Melanie. >> Thank you, mayor. Uh mayor and
counselors, I have a couple of updates since the administrator's report was
written on Friday. Um one will be especially um important to councelor
Waldman. I do have an update on Salce Park. um the the grant has moved to the
next step in the process and we should have the formal notice of award within
the next 30 to 45 days which once we have that then we can move forward with
the next step with the design. So >> excellent. Thank you.
» Um and also the the work is proceeding it's almost done on the um animal
services remodel >> ahead of schedule.
» Yes. >> Yes.
» Thank you. >> Ahead of schedule and under budget so we
are good there. Um, and then counselor night, um, I know
you had asked Lynn for some more information about the, um,
adventure day that happened on Saturday at Liam's Pond. And so Lynn gave me a
list of the sponsors. It's a a very large list, but it included um Coyote
Gravel Products and Pumping Service, Hit or Miss Archery Center, Tuk Stuckco, The
Archery Shop, Bosi Barber Shop, Waypoint Vehicle Uplifters, Ace Hardware, JPR, uh
Gravel and Construction, uh the Bass Pro Shop, and BA BMC Tactical. So, they they
gave away $15,000 in prizes on Saturday at the at the
event, including free fishing rods to all of the kids that came. So, it was a
um very successful event. I'm not sure how many fish were caught, and I'm not
sure if all of the tagged fish were caught, but um
» Sarah and they had they caught and this was like about 10:30 and the two fish
that came out that I saw were huge. >> They were this big.
» Yeah. helping helping
» this big. But um also, you know, um animal services were there from the
village and um uh of course the police department as well as the fire
department and Lynn. And you know, it it was so much fun to go over there and see
all these families together fishing and having fun. And it even for like little
tots, they had like a little pool filled with fake fish that they could sit in
and grab them. It was It was really pretty cool.
» Yeah, Murray. >> Yeah. So, to follow up on that, I got a
haircut Monday and I was talking to my stylist and she her son participated in
the fishing and when he caught his fish, he was sorely disappointed because it
was only about gay [laughter] and everybody else was have catching the
big ones. Well, turns out he had the smallest fish.
» Then he won a prize. >> He won prize. His attitude changed
immensely afterwards. But uh yeah, it was pretty funny because she showed me a
picture and it was just, you know, >> you just had to feel for him because
he's sitting there that then, but when he got the award, you know, oh,
great. >> Yeah. I I know um of one one child, he
he won an Xbox, so there there were some really good prizes. So, yeah. Yeah. So,
um we're hoping to be able to do that again next year. So,
» um and then let's see, what was the other update I had for you? Oh, there
has been a case of the new world screw worm in New Mexico in Lee County and a
and a dog. So, um we're we're keeping an eye on that um for our our health and
safety. So, um with that, oh, let's see. Um you'll see on tonight's consent
agenda all of the resolutions for our our parah, our public employees
retirement fund. And um this has been I believe we started the process of um
adding our employees to this about 19 years ago. Is that is that right? And we
have been working um this has been the goal to get our police and fire
departments to plan five which is the highest plan we can go. So this is this
is an amazing day. I know a lot of our our police and fire are here tonight um
in support of this. So, um, thank you for your consideration of this and for
your, um, agreeing to pick up some of the employees contributions on this
because this is really helpful to the village for our recruiting and our
retention for our employees. So, just wanted to say thank you in advance.
Hopefully, it passes. With that, if there's any questions on the report or
any requests for next time, >> council me.
» Uh, thank you. So I know that I asked a question about item five in your report
about the U amended site plan withdrawing his application and I
understand now actually talking with uh our attorney and that we do not have
rules in place that would penalize anybody from withdrawing their
application. So consequently I'm disappointed
and there are still problems with that. I I think that we need to go court code
enforcement to go back and take a look at that because he's got two entrances,
but he was only allowed one. So, I think it's it's incumbent that we take a look
at the uh violations that are there and see if we can get them resolved. But, uh
yeah, I'm not happy with uh with that result, but that's if that's the way it
is. It is. Any other comments, questions from
councel? >> Good.
» Thank you, mayor. >> Uh, moving right along. Coraleno's
forum. This section is forformational purposes only, not for discussion and
debate to inform the governing body of an issue or concern that would not be
addressed on the agenda during the business session. There will be a three
minute time limit for each speaker. How many speakers are there, Mandy?
» 13. Okay. All right. Uh, first speaker then,
» Pamela Whitney.
» Good evening. >> Can you please state your name and
address for the record? >> Uh, Pamela Whitney, 942 Old Church Road.
» Good evening. Um, I'm here to give an update on 944 Old Church Road uh where
there's a uh clean and lean in place which we hope will remain in place until
this is resolved. Um, since we I last spoke with you, I I will let you know I
am in here on behalf of all of the neighbors who couldn't always be here
tonight because they now know that the official report from planning and zoning
will was pushed to next week. But two of us are here to give a report on that.
Um, since we last spoke, there have been uh not just uh pickup trucks coming in
with debris, mostly metal. They're now dump trucks. There have been four of
them that I've seen, and another one came at 8:30 at night and unloaded for 2
hours. The debris of metal was piled so high that you could see it over the edge
of the dump truck um bringing in metal. Um they now have so there's new material
coming in all the time. Since they got a report saying that it was substantially
clean, they thought, "Oh, Ali Ali income free. We're good to go now. Let's bring
in more stuff." Um they built they're building a shed 30 ft by 15 ft uh with
no permit. Uh PNZ has been out to see this and now has acknowledged there's
new material that wasn't there from their last report. In conclusion, we've
all come to the conclusion, all the neighbors, and I believe P&Z, that this
is an ongoing business. It's a scrapyard. It's a junkyard. Scrapyard
has been in business for years. It is their source of income. Um, scrap comes
in, scrap goes out, scrap comes in, scraps out. We have to assume it's being
sold. Uh, they have worked hard to get the flammable material out, but the
business will remain. And we hope that by the end of this, whatever the
conclusion, however this is resolved, we hoped very very much that there will be
something in writing in the clean and lean that says that you all have the
right to come and inspect every four to 6 months to ensure that this business
has been ongoing for over 30 to 40 years does not continue to go once they feel
they have met the requirements of the clean and lean because this is their
source of income which is fine. It's a residential neighborhood and maybe in
the old days when it wasn't so urban, it was fine. But now they need to take the
money that they've made from other land, sell it, and go somewhere else to run
their business and live peacefully as our neighbor. Thank you very much.
» Thank you. Next, Mandy. >> Um Amy Clement.
I'm Amy Clement, 942 Old Church Road, speaking about the same property. And
I'm sure you're tired of me speaking about the same property. You know, kind
of tired as well, but I just wanted to make sure the lean and clean is um
handled carefully, that it's not just removed without uh lots of inspections.
And then when it is finally removed, there will be some kind of followup
because I do believe they just move it from one pile here to one pile here. But
I also believe there are still a lot of flammable things there because I just
saw the 60 unused tires pile has never been removed and that would burn for
days. I get frustrated with Paralis Comment because every time this is on
the front page of Paral Comment, they put in the title trashy neighbors blah
blah blah. It's not about it being trashy and I'm a Karen or like it's an
eyesore thing. I think they're spending all the time on a fence to hide it, but
it's not about them being trashy at all. It's about a fire hazard. There's all
It's about safety, not about being an eyesore. So, it's not about hiding it so
we don't see it in and our feel like our neighborhood is trashy. It's not that at
all. It's just a a safety hazard for a fire that will burn for days.
» Thank you. >> Thank you,
» Mr. Mayor. Mor. >> Yes,
» if I could just interrupt for a minute. We were expecting, I think, an update
tonight. Could you tell us what this post I'm sorry to interrupt, but
» Yeah. um it would just needed a little more time to to follow up. We're we're
in the process of of getting quotes on on cleaning up the property ourselves.
So, um it it is it is still in place. It is still moving forward. Uh we were just
hoping to have some more information before we gave you a formal report. So,
it'll be part of uh Lor's monthly report in the next council packet.
» Thank you. >> Thank you so much, Bob. I
Well, I live in Corales. First off, I recognize Cibil Sheepard
back here. Haven't seen her for many, many years since her husband passed.
Great family and I miss John all the time. Okay. [clears throat]
Pardon me. I would still like to bring up there's a no loadering sign. It has
been proven to be unconstitutional. You can loiter in a public parking
[clears throat] lot. So, I'd really like to get that one
removed. The number of coyotes are really
increasing right now. The pups are out. The coyotes are are going everywhere.
Uh and then just two two things. The number of cars that pass on the right on
Corral's Road is out of out of hand. Every time you
stop to make a left-hand turn, they're passing you on the right. They don't
pass me, but I see it all the time. It's illegal. They can't go on the dirt.
But then I've been passed on also. I do speed limit. I use cruise control cuz I
got a heavy foot. But they're passing me on over.
Uh years ago, I followed the guy all the way to his house. My wife wouldn't let
me get out and talk to him. But
most of the drivers here are great. It just it's just those few that are either
passing on the right or passing on the left. They're whatever they're doing,
they're doing it wrong. Thank you. Thank you. Next, Mandy.
» Civil Kaiser. Yes.
Civil Kaiser 160 West Meadow Law. Um, I'm here to speak against a a noise
ordinance. Um, I we do have a a real noise problem
corrals. The traffic there's more people living here. Traffic is loud. You can't
regulate that. Um, we value our farm community all day. I listen to weed
whackers, leaf blowers, all kinds of motors, but I respect that people need
to use that and we can't regulate that. Um, I listen to I walk outside and my
the dog barks at me all the time. The peacock screech and the chicken the
rooster has no regard for the dawn and just crows all day. But you can't
regulate that. So you're looking at regulating music. We are so fortunate to
have some venues, local venues where we can go and enjoy music. And it seems
like it's that's something that that should we should encourage to exist
here. Um, I understand if you're uh live near the commercial zone, maybe it would
not be so hard to just accommodate and tolerate that music till 9:30. 9:30
curfew is the only ordinance we need. I heard an argument that just because you
live in the commercial district, you should um be entitled to to the same
kind of quiet that everyone else. And that's ridiculous. your property values
reflect that. If you live in a more densely populated area, it's going to be
a little noisier. I mean, I think you have there's other conveniences that you
enjoy, but that's a trade-off. And I I don't think we can expect it's not too
much to ask for those residents to just tolerate some tombs till 9:30 at night.
And uh Rudy Ma
16 East Millark. We are here to solve problems.
That's those aren't my words. That's what U. Councelor Mietta said at this
meeting uh last Tuesday. And so let's start solving some problems. you know,
um, Robert Hobbes talked about, uh, that he
and I have some disagreements and we agreed to disagree, but we also agreed
to agree. And one thing we can agree on is uh an entrance further to the north
on on Corales Road because you know there was uh a statement made by the PNZ
uh administrator when we had our first um appeal back in 2023 and we were told
that uh the New Mexico Department of Transportation would never grant uh
variance. Time out. Not true. The New Mexico
Department of Transportation is located at 1120 Cerillios Road in New Mexico in
Santa Fe, which is another name for Highway 14. In fact, the entire basic uh
commercial district of the city of Santa Fe is on a variance. Whether you want to
go to the Elcourt Motel or you want to go to Whole Foods Market, get some art
supplies at Artisans or buy some good food in Marisos, those businesses have
all been granted a variance. That is highway 14 from all the way from uh
Department of Transportation through uh Rodeo Road all the way up to
where it ends in in uh in Gali Stable Road. So I think that uh we should uh
take a look at the parallel that we have our same situation here that this is a a
state highway and we're being told well there can be no variances granted. Well
variances have been granted to the point that that's how uh economy of Santa Fe
is still sustained. I think that maybe we should take a look and councelor
Marie mentioned about you know it was better. He was disappointed there was
two entrances allowed. If there's one entrance, we would like to see it on the
north side, but it's going to take more than than just Robert fighting it
himself or us the metallark or we need the village behind us. I think we need
the council behind us and I think we should take this up as a problem we
could solve. I think, you know, they say the definition of uh being insane is to
keep doing the same thing over and over again. Will people keep talking over and
over again to Margaret? I don't know who Margaret is over at the DOT, but we
might need to go above Margaret and councelor Mietta. think you you had so
much experience with the uh legislature and you know how government works and
all that. Uh maybe that would be something you can be helping us out in
in terms of uh doing what we're here for which is to solve problems. Thank you
very much. >> Thank you.
» That's Deborah de laator.
I'm Deborah de la. I live at 28 East Metal Arlane Pales.
Mayor Hashimoto and councel, we have been recently made aware due to the
inclusion on the agenda that the property owner Robert Hobbs of 3605
Corales Road has withdrawn his site development plan 2603 amendment as
following public site development plan hearings. The matter was appealed to the
village council which determined that the proposed increase in intensity
required further review and remanded the application to the planning and zoning
commission. The applicant then withdrew the request and elected to proceed under
the previously approved original site development plan. The owner cannot
obtain by withdrawal what could not be obtained through approval. By
withdrawing the amendment to modify, the applicant remains subject to the
original site development plan and all conditions associated with that
approval. The withdrawal of the application cannot serve as
authorization for site improvements, operations, or uses that differ from the
approved plan. It has become apparent that the site as currently constructed
and operated may not fully conform to the approved SDP plan
and its conditions. Accordingly, I request the village conduct a
comprehensive compliance review and require conformance with all elements of
the approved plan, including but not limited to restoration and construction
of all site improvements not shown on the original approved STP. Remove the
shipping container, shed, storage, fencing, concrete slabs, outdoor gazebo,
all were added without proper permitting. replacement of the
screening, the walls, the fencing, the landscaping and buffering elements that
were existing on that original plan, but subsequently removed, altered or never
installed. Replacement of a 6' high solid wood fencing at the north portion
of the property. Tree replacement as shown on the landscape plan. Restore a
six-ft high wire fence on Corales Road from the wood fence south. Then extend
east on Metoark. Remove the access drive around the pond. Restore the required
runup capacity and maintenance of all drainage, grading, and storm water
management improvements required by the original approved STP. Compliance of all
approved hours of restaurant operation, 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Monday through
Friday, as shown on Mr. Hob's original application. His original application,
hence the approval from from PNZ originally was specifically that states
for one small delicatessan. Hours of business are 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.
There will be no open cooking in the delicatessan and the idea for Belle's
deli liquor license was dropped during the original discussion and was never
approved. And Miss Romero's finding of fact number seven is incorrect.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
» Thank you. Next, Mandy >> Kathy Campbell.
» Kathy Campbell, 8 East Metal Arc Lane. Good evening, mayor and counselors.
Thank you for the opportunity to address the council of fellow Corinians tonight.
As a resident of Palis for over 40 years and as an appealing party in a quasi
judicial proceeding recently heard by the council in the special meeting on
June 2nd, I want to express my concerns of bea on behalf of myself and the other
appalants regarding the process followed particularly with regard to notice and
adequate documentation of the proceeding and of subsequent events. In the hearing
on June 2nd, we were led to believe that there would be insufficient time for the
BNZ to review the conditions set forth in the council's decision and it would
most likely be heard at the council's regular meeting on June 23rd. With that
in mind, the opponents were surprised to learn that the findings of fact and
conclusions of law would be on the agenda for re review at tonight's
meeting and that the amended STP which was the subject of the appeal had been
withdrawn by the apply Mr. Hobbs. that information was included in
administrator's report in the agenda packet. Another issue of concern is that
the minutes of that appeal hearing do not adequately reflect the testimony and
evidence presented for appropriate documentation of the proceeding and in
fact refer to an incorrect STP in the motion presented. Further, the
withdrawal of STP 2603 should be presented to the counselors as part of
the appeal proceeding itself and does not in and in and of itself relieve the
Appal League from his responsibilities under the original SDP. I present these
concerns for your consideration in addressing items number one and three on
the agenda for tonight's meeting. Again, mayor, counselors, and fellow Orlando,
thank you for your time. >> Thank you. Next,
» Salame Ward.
» Hi, Salame Ward, East Metal Arc Lane. Uh, um, hi everyone. Thank you so much.
What, you know, for what each of you does. Um, one thing I just wanted to
remind everyone here is, I don't know, it raises my hackles now every time I
hear commercial zone because we don't have a commercial zone in uh, Corales.
We have a neighborhood commercial zone. So people, everyone seems to always
forget the neighborhood part. We're all neighbors here and it's a neighborhood
commercial zone. Um so I think we should all be concerned about the enjoyment and
the health and the well-being of all of our neighbors. Um, so what I was well I
was going to talk about division like so many times right now it seems that
there's division and I still believe that we have so much more in common and
ultimately what we all want is to enjoy our lives here in this beautiful village
and to have good neighbors. Good neighbors whether or not they're
residents, whether they're businesses, whether they're both, whether they have
whether they're uh you get the idea. So, um, so anyway, I hope that we all could
always be good neighbors to each other. Um, I would like to add my, uh, support
my neighbors that just came up here and spoke. I'm also on East Bedark and I
share their concerns about the property, um, at the corner there of the corner of
Corales Road. Um, but one thing I also wanted to mention, recently I've been to
meetings regarding a liquor license, regarding an appeal, um, all kinds of
things. And it's a great learning process, but sometimes it's frustrating
because it seems that there's inconsistencies or there are rules that
are hard to understand, especially with regards to quasi judicial or quasi
legal. I forgot what the official term is. Um recently um at an appeal um
attendees were told that only the appalants would be allowed to speak but
then afterwards someone said to me where did they get that rule from? That's not
true. You were part of the initial hearing you were also allowed to speak.
So sometimes there's frustrating things like that that happen. Sometimes it
appears that um sorry like the administrator sometimes you put your
finger on the scale in the way things are presented and you should be
impartial like that shouldn't happen. So that's frustrating. Um and also recently
at the liquor license hearing God it's hard to say this in front of everyone.
Okay. Um there one of the council members um accused people that were
opposing the liquor license. Um there was talk about people intentionally
being misleading and lying and particularly under oath because you have
to swear an oath when you speak at a quasi judicial process. In the end after
the meeting it was all cleared up. It was a misunderstanding but in the
meantime that accusation stuck. It stayed there that people that were
exercising their right and speaking out against something were kind of accused
of of being misleading and lying. So, I just want everybody to be careful.
You're all our neighbors as well, and let's try to
bring the temperature down instead of uh make it worse. Thank you.
» Thank you. Next, Mandy. >> Teddy Chavez.
My name is Eddie Chavis. I live at 10 Mountain View Lane on the north end of
Corales.
Mountain View Lane is just north of the Harvey Jones Canal and just south of the
escurves that are going on the way towards the tree. [snorts]
Mountain View Lane has three other families that live on Mountain View Lane
as well as myself. On a daily basis and on multiple
occasions, I have to exit or enter from Mountain View Lane onto Corales
Road 130 ft from a blind curve.
On a daily basis, I have to cross Corella Road to pick up my menu. 2.35
seconds from a blind curve. On a frequent basis,
I have a close encounter with a vehicle coming around that blind curve as I exit
onto Coral's road or cross to pick up my mail.
On a frequent basis, I get harassed for slowing down to turn into Mountain
Delay. On a frequent basis, I think to myself,
one of these days, this has been going on for over 45 years
that I've lived on Mountain View Lane, except that it's happening more
frequently. I have witnessed several dozen
accidents. Two utility poles taken out, a gas
meter, leaking gas with a wrecked car on top of it, fences and walls knocked
down, and even dead people. I am here to request that the Corellus
Police Department effectively effectively
increase their presence and enforcement of the speed limit on our portion of
Corales Road. Actions speak louder than words.
Let the actions of me and my neighbors today
um please take into account the actions that we take and let our words speak for
themselves. Thank you. >> Thank you.
» Russell Shahill.
» Uh I'm Russell Trujillo, 7596 Corales Road. I'm uh Eddie Chavis is one
of his neighbors and uh we've been up here before talking about the traffic
and uh it's uh it's still a problem down there. I do appreciate councelor Ma.
He's helped us out quite a bit. Uh I did talk to Steve Lecu the other day. I
caught him down there. They were taking pictures of the trees that need to be
removed. I know it's going to be a long process, but uh you know, we're still
behind you and we still would like to see uh something done down there, you
know, and uh uh we noticed tonight when I was coming the the S-curve sign in the
south lane, it's been down for about two or three days now. Somebody ran over it
and uh you know, we'd really like to have some police presence down there. Uh
we do see it occasionally at the tree farm. Uh the other day I went down
Lomalara and I seen three police cars at different areas. But I'm sure uh you
know Lomalara doesn't have uh probably 10% of the traffic we have in Coralis
Road on that side. So it'd really be nice to have some police presence down
there and uh slow down that traffic. Uh, we also had an event down there. I guess
it's been a month and a half ago where we'd had trucks. I don't know what the
the regulations for truck traffic is on Corales Road, but we had non-stop truck
traffic for a month and a half down there. The big the big trucks moving
back and forth. Probably 80,000 pounds of load on on those trucks. I know the
highway wasn't made for that. Either was Lalara. They were coming from the 528
project in Rio Rancho coming down road and they were going somewhere over by
the old church and back and forth all day and it it's pretty annoying. Uh and
uh it's just one of those things. And another thing that we need some
enforcement on is these new uh the trash trailers. I mean, just today I was
working out in my field. I counted in two hours. I counted five of these trash
trailers. I don't know if you know what I mean. They're uh they seem like
they're everywhere. Every every contractor has one now, but they're all
going to the county dump and it's nonstop. Some days it's non-stop.
Some guys have their loads tied down, but I have picked up a lot of trash off
the highway in front of my house from stuff just bouncing off those trailers.
And uh sometimes I think they're going to stop and come and pick it up, but
they never do. Thank you. >> Thank you.
» Is Isabella Trill.
» Hello. Isabella Trujillo 7596 Corales Road. Um I will also express as my
neighbors and father have explained that it's a very dangerous S-curve down there
at the north end of Corales. Um and we are continuing to live with it. Um and I
hope we can get some sort of resolve with that as well. Um, I'd also like to
um mention for the public that the Kraas farmland preservation
um program has been opened again, application program has been opened
again as the council had approved it. Um, and I want to make sure that that is
known for the public. It the application process closes on June 22nd in about a
little about two weeks. So any land owners interested in placing their
property in a conservation easement, please reach out to the village um about
that process. So you can find the application on the village website. It's
also you can go to the admin office and get it. You can return it in person or
email it back. Um and then the the process will begin from there. So if
anyone is interested or has questions, I do have some flyers available and or
just go to the village website and check that out. Um, this is one of the only
programs that the village offers to support farming in Corales. So, please
take advantage of it. Um, and yes, this is a really important
program that we have here. You could potentially get some money out
of it. So, we need to really support our agriculture, our farmers in this
village. And this is one of the uh one way that we can really do that. And
again, please continue supporting local agriculture. Come to the growers market.
Every Sunday, 9 to noon until November. We are there. And there's a lot of food
that we are producing here in the village. And people need to eat it. So,
please come to the market, get your food, and um help us continue supporting
agriculture in the village. And that also helps with less traffic on the
roads because there's less houses being developed, so there's less cars, so more
property is being used in farmland. Thank you very much.
» Thank you. >> Next, Mandy,
» Ran Garfield.
» Hello, I'm Ran Garfield. Uh I'm at 7532 Parales Road and I'm speaking about the
the line curve at the north end. Uh my
family has lived in Palace for over 50 years and our property is located
between the Jones Channel to the south and the tree farm to the north. We are
dead center on the infamous blind curve. There has been much property damage over
these years, including fence damage, gas meters having to be relocated,
mailboxes being run over, power poles being knocked over, and also some
fatalities.
The yellow arrow signs put on the curb by the highway department in front of
our property have even been mowed down. The work done by the village government
so far is is much appreciated. With the everinccreasing amount of
traffic, it is becoming more treacherous to pull in and out of our driveways and
to cross the road on foot than we irrigate our property. A concentrated
police presence is needed to slow down the traffic on this blind curve and a
reduction of the speed limit would help the most. Thank you.
» Thank you. Next, may
» uh Ken Dehoff.
» Good evening, uh, mayor and counselors. I'm Ken Dehoff.
Uh, I live at 7648 Corales Road, or at least it was 7648
Corales Road before Lorie Stout made me name my driveway. It's now Bad Coyote.
So, we're Bad Coyote Farm and we are 100 ft south of the tree farm and I'm here
to support my neighbors uh to mention that we all met with
Representative Kates and Councelor Mierra last year. We had what I thought
were really good, productive conversations
about doing something to improve safety. I I just my my mailbox story is that I
see UPS and FedEx trucks cross the yellow line, cross the
dividing line coming up to our house and then they overcorre correct right into
where my mailbox is. So I just have to I have to be very mindful of not being at
my mailbox when I see something coming up from Mountain View. And I can just I
can see that and say, "Okay, as long as it's clear, I got enough time to get up,
get my mail, and get out of there." And so, it would be
uh helpful to follow through on what we talked about last year. And I'm going to
give you a word and some personal advice called persistence with my second topic,
which is that uh tomorrow evening in the Sandival County Commission, the county
commission is going to be voting uh to determine that the Sandival County
Assessor has abandoned her role by taking a job with the state treasurer.
Uh I don't know if anybody has seen the Larry Barker
uh article about that. Uh if you haven't, it's worth seeing. And
you all know that I have been one word persistent
on trying to protect the rights of land owners in Corales. And I'm doing it with
my own property. But persistence requires
effort and it requires continuous effort. I mean the mayor showed up here
regularly. I mean if you remember we have a number of people that show up
regularly on an issue. That persistence is I think what we on the north end are
asking from the council to help us improve safety on the north
end of Corales Road. Thank you. >> Thank you.
» Next item is the consularor's forum. This section is forformational purposes
only, not for discussion and debate, to inform the governing body of an issue or
concern that would not be addressed on the agenda during the business session.
Any counselors?
Council me. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I want to just uh take some time to not on
the agenda. So therefore, I'll say wanted to thank uh all of you for
showing up, but specifically my constituents who have been uh very kind
and taking their time, understanding that we need to take our time with the
state, but I continue working with them and they continue working with us. And
so I want to thank them for coming and uh Tim that as I've told you you make
your your uh your statements here and they're going record but mostly we get
used to seeing you and then maybe we think maybe it's nice if we didn't see
them so much so because we took care of their issues. So I want to thank you for
reminding us of what we need to do and uh I'll end it Mr. Mayor by just saying
what bothers me the most. These people do have to cross from one side of the
street to the other to get their mail cuz we we can't move the mailboxes. They
might get run over, but uh no, not the not the people in mailboxes, but uh
nonetheless, you have to cross the street. And to me, that's so disturbing,
but everybody else along Corales Road has to do that, too. So, uh thank you
very much for reminding us of what uh we can do to help you. So, thank you very
much. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. >> Sure. Any other counselors who would
like to speak?
Okay, next item, consent agenda. May I have a
motion to approve the consent agenda, please?
» So move. >> I'll second.
» Any discussion? Councelor Murray and Council Wman and
Mera. Yeah. So, with the uh application for the harvest festival and closing the
crossroad, how do residents get to the post office on those days when uh the
road is closed?
» I don't know. >> I'm just curious because, you know, it
does say road closure, but if residents need to get to the post office,
especially on Saturday when it's open, uh they need some mechanism by which
they can get to the post office. I I know in the past you've been able to
to go in and and park at the rec center. I I don't know if they can park there
and and walk. We We'll find out for you. >> Well, I mean, post office obviously has
their own parking lot. That's federal property. So, if anybody is using that
for the harvest festival, uh they may be in violation of federal law. So, I don't
know. But, uh it seems like to me that uh we need to have that uh you know,
discussed. Councilwoman,
» a very minor point, but uh on the ditch run application, I think it should
probably read um that this is the third year of the uh ditch run rather than the
30th year. So,
» okay, >> thank you Mira.
» Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh two different questions. Um one would be uh
going back to Pamela's first statement and all those that were here on Church
Road. Um, anyone, but I was looking for PNZ. Do we
even have even if we could, if we don't have a special zoning for a scrapyard at
all in Corales, we do. We don't. So, there's there's no
even if somebody's doing legally or illegally.
» Lori Lori is here. >> Oh, Lori, is she here? I was used to Oh,
there you are. I'm used to seeing you in the back. Lori, you could answer it from
back there or whatever. I mean, is there such a Okay, that'll be fine. You
understand my question, right? Is there such a thing as a I know in other
counties and other areas, other cities, they do have we do we even have such a
thing as a permit for a scrapyard? >> No, we don't. Okay. Especially not in a
residential area. If somebody tried to do that as a commercial enterprise, they
would have to do a site development plan and it would be subject to that review.
But there's no such thing for um residential. So, if we find somebody in
violation of whatever it is and they have a scrapyard, they're they're
violating. >> Correct. We can we can if you're talking
about the Clean and Lean property, that's going away, too. The Clean and
Lean is far from dead. I It is not substantially compliant. They built yet
another new building. So, we're gathering bids to get rid of that and
and the scrap and whatever tires, etc. Yeah. And going along that same, is
there such a thing as a construction yard or is it the same thing that we do
or do not have any permission for? >> Well, I can tell you there was a
residence that got a home occupation and it was a very small one. It was supposed
to be an office for a construction company and over the years about 20
years it morphed into a full-on construction yard and after much you
know appealing and court case etc etc it was removed. So that that's over and
above what would typically be allowed for any home occupation. Again, if it's
commercial, it would be subject to PNZ review, but not in not in a residential
zone. >> Thank you. And my final one is um I
guess it was Amy, and I could be wrong. Uh correct me if I'm wrong, but uh Sid
on the consent agenda, one and three were maybe out of whack or is is there
any uh thing that we need to know about it as council or myself as counselor?
» I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. One and three. What
» on the consent agenda? One and three, I believe.
» I I think she meant the findings of fact that
» Okay. Where is that one? On the next page.
» No, it's under It's under um consent agenda, right?
» Yeah, that's number one on the consent agenda.
» Is is are those in line? Maybe I should ask uh Melanie,
are we okay by if we because we know the consent agenda. If we approve the
consent agenda, we approving those and are they online? Are they okay? Yes,
they they those are written by our attorney and this this is what would go
if if it progressed to um somebody taking it to uh magistrate court that
would be what the the court yes that the the court would look at those those
findings effect. So this is the >> sort of the official record that goes in
hand with with the minutes and um we we do have a typo in the minutes for those
under the motion. It says 2602 site development plan 2602. I believe it
should be 2603. So we'll we'll make that correction before those get get posted.
» Thank you. That's all I have. >> Councor Murray.
» Uh back to the harvest festival. Are they not using the uh law park and the
village parking facilities for harvest festival? But I did not see any drawings
as there were last year. And I'm just curious uh are they using these two
facilities as well or is it just going to be a rec center?
» They they are using those for the um the artists the vendors and then the the
other vendors will be in the >> in our packet. I am not sure
» uh because what I was curious about and I asked this question last year I will
ask again this year is of the applications that the village has
received how many are within the village and how many are outside the village in
terms of business licenses the applications that go with the harvest
festival >> is anybody from the harvest festival
here tonight
It's always a good idea for anyone who has a consent agenda. I don't
» Tony's here. >> Tony Mes Tony, why don't you get up and
answer the question, please?
» I'm sorry, counselor. Uh, ask me again. I heard most of it, but I'm not sure
what the final question was. >> All right. Final question is how many
applications have you received that are with from within the village and how
many applications are from outside the village
» for the vendors for the food trucks for >> well for the vendors for
» the short answer is I don't have and I don't know that we tabulate we can it's
not all that terribly difficult um how many of the artists are correlenos how
many are from outside the village um it would be easier because we used to
give the Coral Angos like a $10 break or something. And the food trucks, I don't
believe any of the food trucks are from within are based within Corales or owned
by Coralenos. >> I would agree with that.
» Um I think a
offthe cuff Sy's here. She might have it better on board. Well, I mean, last time
it was uh by business licenses purchased at the village offices by those
requiring because they had to be licensed within the
» we do uh mandate that they get a business registration.
» Yes, >> that they they may not be here without
that registration. >> I was just curious maybe the village had
something, you know, with that. >> Can can I interject a thought on that?
Um, any business that's already in the village wouldn't go get a business
license for the grow for the harvest vessel. They would already have one. So,
that would be a tough metric as well because if they're already operating in
compliance, they already have a business license.
» But the village should have a you know, if he's if he's got a list, it should
match up with the village licenses, >> right? I think if if you apply for a
vendor table, it seems like you put your address down on it on that uh on that
vendor application >> that is required on
» and so you should the data should be there as far as where
the vendors are are from >> if
I don't think I'm committing this too much. We can get that information to
you. I the food trucks I'm pretty sure. >> I'm just curious, you know, as to
participation, you know, how many are inside the building or participating
versus the outside building. >> We also have the businesses
that are staged over here around this building. Um, and I think most of those
are not coroused. When we get to the artists, I think a good percent very
solid percentage of >> I was just curious too also why the maps
weren't included for the village parking lot in launch audit.
» They I know they were in because I submitted the event happen. Okay.
» So I know they were attached. I >> Yeah, it it may have Yeah. I I I don't
know. I wasn't um involved in that part, but it may have been when it brought got
brought over from the parks and recck commission. Maybe a page got misplaced.
I'm not too sure, but what we can we can track that down. And also just a point
of order, if if we have if we want to discuss items on the consent agenda,
they really should be pulled off for discussion. So this we're really kind of
out of order here. So just just saying
» if anybody wanted to pull an item off of the agenda,
» councelor Wman. >> Yes. [clears throat] only um for points
of clarification the um all the issues dealing with uh parah
just so we can get a further uh explanation for the police and fire and
um staff.
» Can we pull those off as a group or do we have to pull them off individually?
» As a group is fine. >> I can make a motion. So just make a
motion to pull off items four through eight.
I make a motion we remove items four through eight uh from the consent agenda
for further discussion. >> Any any discussion on that?
All in favor say I. >> I.
» Opposed say no. >> Motion carries. Okay.
» So then we should approve the the motion to the consent agenda agenda and then
you can move on. Yeah. >> Unless somebody wants to discuss this
some more. items one through three. Any more
discussion? Okay. Um,
so there's a motion in a second to approve the consent agenda numbers 1,
two, and three. >> Also, items seven and eight or I'm
sorry, nine and 10. They're on the back of the agenda.
» And nine and 10. Um,
all in favor, please say I. >> I.
» Oppose, say no. Motion carries. Going to the items four through six.
Four through eight. Now they were withdrawn from the consent agenda. Um
is there a motion to approve them? Is there discussion?
» Motion to approve. >> Any second discussion? No. Mr.
» Mayor, I raised this issue. We have a number of members of both fire and
police and and village staff here tonight. And um
I just wanted to uh add what uh the administrator said earlier, how much we
appreciate uh all their efforts. Uh we actually had a uh two uh firefighters
come out and do a fire inspection uh to back up the uh uh business license
application for uh animal rescue group for harvest festival today. And they
were terrific. And uh it's just emblematic of what this what this
village has. And perhaps uh Melanie, you could talk about the history of where
you said it's it's taken many many years to get to to this level. Yeah.
» And what it really means for for our employees.
» Yeah. So so what this means is now uh the police and fire department are at
the highest level. When when they retire, they will get the maximum amount
available to them. Um, so if somebody were to start now and they worked the
the right number of years, they theoretically could retire on 100% of
their their highest salary when when they do retire. So our our current
employees who have been with us a long time, they they they get different
buckets. So they get the the buckets that they earned when we were under, you
know, plan one and plan two and then plan three. We're skipping plan four and
now we're going to plan five. So, this this really um will take care of our our
firefighters after they've they've completed their careers here with us and
and our police department. Sorry, Chief. Didn't didn't mean to forget you guys.
Um so, police and fire. Um and also this this process for these five resolutions.
We started this exa almost exactly a year ago. So the I was looking back at
my emails last night and this kicked off I believe July 7th of last year with
with um Deputy Chief Latin had sent an email to our PAR representative and said
how do we start this process and we have multiple emails back and forth of you
know this is what you need to do and then we would wait for them and this is
what you need to do. So we would send them you know our um our drafts and then
we'd have to wait a couple of weeks and then we'd get those back. So yeah, just
just this portion has been a year in the making.
» But this also affects uh the village employees.
» Yes. Right. >> Yep.
» Thank you for keeping us safe. Be safe out there.
» So yeah, they um so the the the remainder of the village employees that
are under municipal plan two um unfortunately plan two is the highest we
can go for our municipal staff. They they do offer up to plan four, but they
locked out plans three and and four a long time ago before the village um had
the opportunity to um take advantage of that for our municipal employees. So, uh
what what we're doing for our municipal staff is the village is picking up a
portion of their um their contributions. So that this will will pick up the
contributions for police and fire so that they they don't pay any more into
or they they aren't having deducted from their paycheck anymore than they
currently are under plan three. So the village is picking up the remainder of
that. And then for municipal staff, they're dropping from the 12 point I
think it's 12.65% down to about 9%. And you know, and I
know when you look at the resolutions, it looks weird because it says, you
know, we're picking up 48%, but it's a percentage over a percentage. And I had
to break out my math brain and go back to, you know, high school algebra and be
like, okay, I'm doing a percentage of a percentage. And, um, we had some
discussions back and forth about what was the proper way to do that. So, um,
but yeah, no, this has been a very long process. And this was the the dream back
when they very first, um, voted for PRA 19 years ago. So, for and as part of
many other reasons. >> You hear their presence right now.
» Yeah, exactly. >> And I'd like to thank uh public safety,
too. And as I wrote in the mayor's report, New Mexico is number one and and
u uh property crimes number two in violent crimes. And fortunately, Corales
is number one probably in the state and having a good crime record and and a big
part of that is probably our public safety, our police, and our fire
departments. Uh, and so I think they um they they really make us a a place to
live. Um, and I think doing giving them an increase in their parah helps
retention. I mean, that's a big thing. You know, we're competing with
municipalities who have more bucks than we do.
» And to to keep our roles of public safety employees, you
know, we have to compete somehow and sometimes we can't compete salary wise.
So the PAR really helps and so I I I really encourage support of this.
» Yep. Thank you. >> Uh councelor Mera.
» Thank you Mr. Mayor. Hopefully just a real quick question. Tanya on this one
if you can go back about 20 some years ago maybe 30 unfortunately. Uh we had a
perra situation and a erb uh situation in Santa Fair. Are you familiar with
that a little bit? >> Mayor, council administrator Romero.
Yes. >> Okay. Uh and you know how that one was
unequal and boy they've been trying to make that equalized as representative
over here for the last 30 years. Does this help or if not does it make it
equal and even if do plan five and doing 46% and the 23% will that even and make
it equal starting from here on out? So, mayor, council, administrator Romero, do
you mean equal to what most municipalities do? No.
» So, you go to each other in terms of >> So, there's tier one. Yeah.
» So, to be in tier one for PAR, you had to be into PAR before July 1st of 2013.
» Okay. >> So, some of us are old enough.
» I think there's three of us still left that are in tier one. And then I got two
back there that are in tier two. So the main things that changes is tier tier
one we we are at a 20 year retirement. We can go up to 100. I will remind you
I'm blended. I'm one two three and five. So but people who are tier one
technically can go to a 20-year retirement um or stay and then it builds
up to up to 180 100% of their top three years. two or two employees it's 25
years and then they can build up. >> Okay.
» Um what we proposed when chief was doing
this is right now fireplace we paid 13% of our salary to PAR what we pay you're
paying 20.8
this is off the top of my head police pays 10% of their salary to PAR village
staff pays 12.65 65. We proposed just to keep it well, we first proposed it to
keep it at 10 and 12.5, but we we went to three instead. So then we proposed to
keep it at 12.5 or 13 and 10.5 and then drop the others. Um mo you can only pick
up 75%. That is state law. State law says a municipality cannot pick up any
more than 75% of the employees per so a lot of municipalities do pick up all but
4%. But we knew that this is the village. So we said we've been doing
this. We we our staff is surviving. Let's we'll do it this way.
» Okay. >> And we respectfully hope you vote for
it. >> Okay. Thank you,
» Council Murray. >> Yeah. So that does raise point though.
If you hire somebody who has a number of years either one or two, does it take
him x number of years to get to the number five or they automatically moved
into step five? Mayor, Council, and Administrator
Merrill, that's a really good question. I've actually done a lot of research on
that recently because I've been with the village and she chief's been with
village since 96. I've been here since 97 before PAR. So, we could buy time. We
we could buy time to retire at a lower rate than airtime. Um,
but what they're going to do is they're going to look at how long I was at one,
how long I was at two, how long I was at three, how long I stay at five. And
there's math calculations they're going to do and say cuz right now for fire and
I believe police it's 3.5 is our tier one multiplier.
Um, they're going to look at all of us and say,
"This is your number. You're at 2 for so long, 2.5 for so long, you're at 3.5 for
so long." And they're going to multiply it together and maybe I'm 3.2. I won't
know till I go sit down with PAR. But they they are going to blend it. So the
longer I'm in PAR 5, the better it is. But for chief trying to build so when we
all retire that you have staff that have been here and want to continue serving
the public in the way that we've grown accustomed to.
They will be not blended. >> Thank you.
» Okay. Any other questions or discussion on this?
Are we prepared? Go ahead. >> Move approval.
» Okay. Uh second. >> Second.
Okay. Are are we are we including four through eight then?
» Yes. Okay. Why you make a motion then? >> Just as a a generic point of order
because we pulled them from the consent agenda. We have to go through them one
by one. I I apologize for that but it is the way it has to be. Thank you.
» You're the worst. [laughter] >> In that case I I move approval for item
number four. >> Second.
» Any discussion? All in favor, please say I. I. Roll call vote because it's a
recipe. It's going to take a little roll call.
Councelor Mera. >> Yes, sir.
» Councelor Wman. >> Hi.
» Councelor Knight. Hi. >> Councelor Bouquet.
» Hi. >> Councilor Murray.
» Yes. Four times. [laughter]
» Nice try. >> Can I have a motion to approve item
number five? >> Approve item five.
» Any second? >> Any discussion?
Um, so we'll call for a roll call vote. Councelor Mera.
» Yes, sir. >> Councelor Wman, hi.
» Councelor Knight. Councelor Bet. >> Hi.
» Councelor Murray. >> Yes.
» Good. Motion carries. Um, I have a motion to approve item number six and
» second. We'll give it tonight.
» I'll second that. >> Okay. Any discussion?
All in favor, please say I. >> No.
» Councelor Mley, >> yes.
» Councelor Mette, >> I councelor N.
» Councelor Wman. Hi. >> Councelor Mera.
» Yes, sir. >> Uh, item number six. May I have a motion
to approve item number six? >> Item seven, I think.
» Item seven, I'm sorry. >> So, move.
» Second. >> Uh, any discussion?
Roll call vote. Councelor Mera. >> Yes, sir.
» Councelor Wman. >> Hi. Councelor Knight.
» Hi. >> Councelor Bquette.
» I. >> Councelor Murray.
» Yes. >> I have a motion to approve item number
eight. Now >> so move.
» Second. >> Any discussion?
» Roll call vote. Councelor Murray. >> Yes.
» Councelor Burquette. >> I.
» Councelor Knight. >> Councelor Wman.
» Hi. >> Councelor Mera.
» Yes, sir. >> Motion carries. So items four through
eight all were approved. Uh Chief, you want to say a few words?
Mayor, council, administrator. Um, just want to say thank you. Um, I'm looking
up here at the pictures of the mayors and stuff and I heard a word earlier
about persistence and I could tell you that from I wasn't always, you know,
chief at the time, but we've always been an advocate for our staff and employees.
when I became chief, I've been persistent uh to the point of, you know,
every budget we have to look at, you know, do we do a cost of living or can
we increase our our costs or employees wages and it was almost like even and
odd years and then the odd years were like how can we try to justify pay so
it's literally 19 years in the making and I just want to mayor thank you for
you know our budget meetings and and hearing us out the police chiefs behind
me here. Uh I'm speaking on behalf of the fire department, but this is huge
for us as far as my staff here for me all the time. Thank you and what a good
job they're doing. But tonight by with your vote, you're showing not only the
staff of the village, your employees that serve this community how much you
appreciate that. So, thank you. >> Thank you.
Castle. Uh I echo what the fire chief said. Just thank you and we are
confident it's going to help with recruitment and retention which has been
a battle for us uh competing with these large agencies in the metro area here
and uh may have already worked. We have a guy starting with us on Tuesday and we
told him it wasn't a done deal yet but this was one of the selling points. So
thank you very much. >> Thank you very much.
Mayor, what question? Good. >> Yes, councelor Mur.
» Could both uh the chiefs uh tell us where your staffing levels are at right
now? >> We are at uh will be Tuesday at 16 out
of 17 sworn positions. So that's the 6% uh vacancy rate and we have another
applicant who is certified in the background phase right now. If we do
reach full staffing, the 17 out of 17 budgeted positions, it'll be the first
time since 2021, at which time we were only budgeted 15
positions. When we when we got bumped up to 16 and then to 17, we never reached
the maximum number. >> Thank you, Chief.
» So, thank you.
» I apologize. I didn't hear the question. >> I was just wondering where your current
staffing levels at. or how many positions are open or full staff or
» mayor, council, we're at full staff. Uh we have we have hired uh our our
vacancies have been filled. So we're currently in the process of training
them. We started last week. Uh this is the second week in training and we're
doing we're starting with uh internal trainings with wildland. focus on
wildland fire that we could do in house. And then we're actively looking for uh
EMT classes availability and then of course the fire one, fire two uh
certifications through the state of New Mexico at the Sakura Academy.
» Thank you very much, G. >> Yeah, thank you.
» Thank you.
Uh, next item, old business number one, consideration, action, and approval of
resolution 2615, publication for ordinance 2602, an
ordinance providing no parking areas along residential streets, neighboring
commercial establishments. Uh, may I have a motion to open this up?
» So move. >> Second.
Okay, there's been a motion to second. Any discussion?
Yes, Councelor Murray. >> Thank you, Mayor. So, uh, in looking at
this draft, I have come to the conclusion that the parking ordinance
does not belong in zoning. I believe it belongs somewhere either in 1492, which
is the I think the uh current legal or where things are cited, but it needs a
little bit of work. Uh, I'm not totally agree. I mean, I don't totally disagree
with all the language, but I think it just needs to be reorganized and put
into 1492 rather than under 1839. Also, uh there are concerns I have about
the uh changing the seating ordinance because there are some issues there that
uh we haven't addressed. That is that one, you're asking to amend the seating
ordinance and not repeal the previous one. So either we need to repeal the old
ordinance and insert this one as new language because if we don't we're going
to have confliction because you've got an old ordinance and a new ordinance and
there's conflicting uh components of both if you have both of them at the
same time. So I think we need to repeal the original 1839 C2 and then insert the
new language at that point. You also need to grandfather in the existing STPs
because if you don't, then if somebody asks an amended STP, they're going to
have to come in under the new language. And is that fair for our businesses that
if they have to want to amend their SDP that now they have to comply with the
new seating ordinance and the parking versus the old one that they originally
got their uh site development plan under? So, there are some things there I
think need to be addressed. I I know this. I worked on this about all
afternoon trying to figure out how to reorganize this and it's and councelor
Bquerette will kill me because I got 14 different amendments that I need.
[laughter] He's going to murder me. Step out the
door, you know. >> But I I just really think that we need
to readress this and move it into 1492 or some other location where it is now
an enforcement issue and not a zoning issue. A question might be, you know, do
you think there they're different issues and they ought to be addressed different
issues instead of lumped together all in one uh ordinance. That does bring up the
question about we were putting one uh we were creating a paragraph 15 that was to
go in under 1492 and I think we just need to create a new
subsection that deals with enforcement and that way it doesn't there was an
issue where you might have an officer who might site somebody and then he
could have his vehicle towed at the same time. Now is that correct? I don't know,
but I think we need to take a look at that and just uh I think there are
things there that we just need to resolve before we put this into an
ordinance. >> Briquette.
» Uh thank you, mayor. Um so two kind of separate points or thoughts. One is on
this what you're talking about as far as the
um parking per two chairs. Um I don't think it I don't think it's a reasonable
number. Um, I went to two of our probably most reputable establishments
in town. From a parking standpoint, I've never heard a single complaint about
overflow parking. Um, one of them has a 100 seats and 25 parking spots. Um, the
other one has 70 parking spots and they have I didn't go inside this place, but
they have in my mind probably close to 200 seats. Um
there is no way that if they were to try to come into the village and again these
are model citizens, model businesses, there is no way they could come into the
village and meet these criteria. Um so I just don't think it's a reasonable
number. um on a grander scale um and I actually think this is a very
well-ritten policy and I think it's something we may have to go to but I
would love to see I mean I think there's these spectrums that we have to look at
when we're looking at all of our policies friendly unfriendly using
resources that we have now versus going to get new resources uh unintended
consequences versus limited unintended consequences and I think we have to have
the desire to do the stuff on the left left side of the spectrum whenever
possible uh and probably an obligation to do that. And we have empty lots in
the village that we're doing site development plans on that I would like
to see those site development plans happen prior to us enacting anything uh
new on parking with parking on those and with signs that say village parking so
we can see if that relieves the parking pressure because even if it relieves it
75% then maybe we need a different version of this. But if we have empty
lots sitting next to businesses and I feel like we owe the citizens, we owe
the businesses um a solution and it's sitting right there with really limited
stuff and we're working on these site developments already that um we're not
doing our job if we're not putting parking on some of those and giving
people a friendly an option without unintended consequences um to solve this
problem before we put up signs all over the village. So, I would move that if we
do move this thing forward, I'm going to want to amend it to where we don't do so
until we have those site development plans with parking in place and we see
if that solves the problem. I'd like to bring up an issue too of um
uh couple things that weren't addressed in
in this version uh had that have been brought up before is where do you have
the signs? What do the signs mean? Um, and also if council bur wants to hold a
barbecue party at his home, uh, where can those people park? Uh, this
ordinance doesn't allow that. Um, I'll just throw something out just just
for, you know, discussion. um that maybe um talking about the neighbor commercial
zone uh you have a sign no park residents parking only coming into the
street from Corales and 300 ft back you have another sign that addresses the
traffic coming into so you have incoming traffic on that residential road you
have no parking signs between those signs coming in from Carales Road and
coming in from interior drains. Say there'll be a new no parking uh sign 350
ft deep uh along that road. Uh another another issue is is um you know uh
having uh council burst barbecue party or
anybody else's um you know I wonder whether there should be an allowance for
guests of of a resident and um I think it's really simple and actually this
afternoon I I mocked up a a little sign here
and something like This can be put on the dashboard of the car and basically
it says guest. You're a guest of a resident who lives there. The resident's
address is here right below guest. So if anybody has a question who is the host
of the guest, the address is right there. There's a permit number.
the car uh Ford 250 truck white license plate number and the days and and it's
just you know half a dozen data points and it allows for people to have guests
at their place um parties graduations um you know so it's not no parking no
parking is simple but yet it seems to have allowance for guests would be
reasonable I know that Um I and Melanie have looked into several possibilities
of either doing this online. Um maybe through the website that we currently
have or using a separate vendor links to the website and or you know a very
simple thing is uh a resident can just write this out. I mean it's just the
number of data is very small. It's a guest. It's got my address there. If
anybody has a question there's my address. I'm home. The the license plate
number, the descriptor of the car, and the date. I mean, that it's just I I
think it it's an easy way to accommodate having guests. So, I think just to throw
that in the mix of as we discussed a no parking ordinance, uh there a lot of
different components of this where there you know go to seating um number of
parking places per seats, tables, that sort of stuff. um uh no parking on
residential streets. Uh I think one or two things that have been brought up is
you know where the science place and what about gas and and I think I just
like to throw this out to add to the discussion of you know how we how we
design uh a no parking in uh residential areas uh ordinance. Yes, councelor
Murray. Well, so to add to that, my son lives up around the wheel Wilshire in
Jefferson and during Bloomfest, they close off Jefferson, but they have a
placard that gets issued by the Bloom Festa. Basically just says gives them
permission as long as you got that placard in your windshield, you're
allowed into the area. It it doesn't require any
addresses, doesn't require any uh information about the car, but as long
as you got that placard, you're allowed into that area. That's that's all we
have to do. We could even include just say dates, you know, three days or
whatever it is, date one, you know, it could be June 1st through June 3rd. I
think that would probably cover it, but that'd be myology.
» Um, if if I may, mayor and council, um, I I have been looking into different
solutions for this. Um, we we did ask our attorneys to weigh in on, you know,
the the legality of residential parking only. and their recommendation is that,
you know, from a a legal perspective, we should have some sort of permitting
process. And so I've I've have had two meetings so far. Um, one with a company
called um Shau, and they they do um sort of a uh build from scratch parking
solution. And so they they would be able to create a a website, a app, whatever
we want that would be able to do these parking permits where people could to do
could register for them online. However, it would take up to 6 months and $60,000
to do that. Yesterday, I had a meeting with a company called Honk, um which you
know, it's just it's kind of fun to say. um their recommendation when I explained
what the situation was is the guy's first question was do you have public
parking available somewhere in the village. So that was his first
recommendation. Um second recommendation is they can do something for us but um
the way their app works is you have to have paid parking and that's how the the
app gets paid for. So, we would we would then have to we we could do a solution
where if a resident could prove that they live in the village, they would
have to pro provide their car registration, which I don't know that
anybody would want to do, but they would have to prove somehow that they're a
resident of the village and then they could have free parking. Um but then I
have another um another meeting scheduled for tomorrow. So, that's just
sort of what I'm learning so far. So, there are options to be able to do this
this sort of thing. Um, but it just depends on how much we want to pay for
it. >> That's so nice.
» Thank you, mayor. I think it's it's too much rigor. If you live up
in the sand hills, just go to your neighbor and say, "I'm having a party
tonight. There's going to be more cars on the street." If it's only for like
one day for four hours, I don't think most people would argue with that. I I
think they having to go and get signs and and permits, it's going to be a
mess. and people aren't going to like it because it's extra work.
» Um, you know, down in the commercial district's a little different, but you
know, up where I live, right? >> You know, things like that, you just go
to your neighbor and say, "Yeah, you can park there for a couple hours. It's it's
no big deal." >> Right. This was what I said was just
pertains to the neighborhood commercial area, not the Sand Hills.
» Okay. So So this you're only talking about the the
» neighborhood commercial zone. Oh, >> this Lori would like to
» other people. Okay, >> counselors, mayor, administrator, if if
I might. Um, we're we're not going to cover the
village with signs. Let me just read and kind of tell you what the intent was
when planning and zoning uh and I were talking about this, the commission
rather. Um, it's section 1839 off- streetet parking
requirements. That that section already exists and people who have commercial
site development plan applications are referred to that section. And so what it
would now say commercial parking on residential streets upon notice by code
enforcement or when warranted by ongoing public safety concerns. So, we're
talking about ongoing chronic issues really having to do with commercial
parking um and residential streets. In those instances, the village
administrator may direct that any part of a residential street be posted with
signs reading no parking. This will be used judiciously and in a
limited fast fashion. Um, Carllis PD will have their full discretion as to
how to handle a situation. Um, I I just want to assure you that it's
it's really a limited scope. We're we're not talking about the neighborhood
barbecue or oneoffs. We're talking about chronic ongoing issues. If there was a
neighborhood that had some sort of chronic ongoing issue with a say a home
occupation, it might be suitable in that case. But again, it would have to be
upon notice by the code enforcement officer or EMS that there's there's this
issue and it won't it won't quit and we need to look at it there and then the
administrator would have to agree. So, I just want to assure you it's not going
to be blanketing the village with signs. Actually there uh there are five uh
persons from the public who would like to speak. So why don't we just interject
that now and then we can discuss more afterwards. So um Mandy
» Sandy Rasmusen
» Sandy Rasmusen 65 Target Road I'm going to put this in my mouth because it's the
only way it works. So, I am not going to dispute the parking thing, although you
all had good ideas, but I just would like to bring forth the idea that if
we're not going to allow parking on side streets, that we need to provide
alternatives. Um, I'd like to see both the Anderson and the Gonzalez Field have
parking spaces. Anderson can cover Heritage House or whatever it's called,
and the rec center. Um but down where the meat of the traffic is, Gonzalez is
a necessary thing. So just think about this. But many of them you've already
said, um but we have many residents that do not live,
they live in the sand hills up there. They can't walk down to support our
village or come and enjoy it. We have an aging population that may not be able to
walk very far. We have very little parking for Lra Park. that is
not private property. Um, and we seem to forget that the rural feeling we are all
trying to sustain doesn't have sidewalks, which none of us, including
me, do not want to see, but walking long distance is not always practical. That
our rural field can be sustained and still include those that are not
residents. And since we don't have a plan yet
except for bathrooms for the Gonzalez Field, um if we even could put temporary
parking there and see how that works because that was kind of what was
mentioned by a lot of you. But and this doesn't necessarily have to do with
parking, but it is part of the problem. So the saddest thing of all is that we
used to be a village that supported each other. If we had an issue, we went and
talked to our neighbor. We didn't come and make an ordinance. And all this
bickering I feel is dividing us and that's changing the feel of our village
way more than any outsiders. There are many people in this room who are
coralenos also and we really do care about our village. So I hope that we can
start to work together again and be the village that we used to be. Thank you.
» Thank you. Next >> Bob Ike.
Bob Ike,
Bob, I of course live in Corales. Uh
we can't have any loopholes. Every ordinance that's being written has
a loophole in it. How many signs is it? One be one sign from here all the way to
Lrada. No, you can't stop all that parking.
Is it between signs? It's got to be spelled out. You cannot put in the
ordinance that it will be done judiciously.
That doesn't work. Who in the heck's judicious?
You have to spell out each particular that you want to control.
As soon as you start saying we can put signs here and there and in between,
you've destroyed the village. And that's not what we're here for.
We're here to protect the village. So be careful with your signs. Be
careful with your ordinance. No loopholes.
It and indeference said it cannot be done judiciously.
If we change administrators, we change P&Z,
what's the next person going to do? That's what you can't allow for. You
can't allow for an unknown. So everything has to be spelled out. It has
to be it has to be clear as you can get or else there's going to be people like
me that'll come up here and find holes in it and complain.
So, just be very careful. We don't need
permits. Uh Fred sign is great. If you have to have colored paper makes a damn
good permit. It damn sure doesn't cost 60,000 bucks
or 6,000 bucks. Colored paper is pretty cheap. But no, let's be very careful and
I don't mind stepping on toes. I do it all the time. But don't stomp on them.
» Thank you. >> Thank you. Next, Mandy.
» Um, Charles Polling.
» Hi, Charles Polling on Priestly Road. Um, feels like deja vu talking to you
all about parking again. We've done this before. Um, and and this conversation
sort of tore up. high talking points I think because I see you know there's
maybe a new direction here but so what I would ask so we live on Priestley uh
Priestly and Corval get overflow parking from the herited house still okay you
know it still happens there's public parking right across the street at the
farmers market people don't use it it's too far and that's a tough crosswalk and
the crosswalk issue brings up the safety issue which is that when people are
parking along Priestley uh if you're trying to get out it's a choke point
there with cars on both sides If you're trying to be a pedestrian through that,
good luck. And we also have cars, you know, the turn into Priestley and Corval
going northbound is a little bit of a blind turn on Priestley. We have the
mailboxes right out near the Corrow Road intersection. You've got cars kind of
parked on the road. It's just not a good situation. So, I just ask for science. I
ask you to solve the problem. And I think exemp exemptions can be done. And
I think it's it's it's just really not accurate to say, "Oh, it's got to be all
or nothing." Because, you know, you exempt utility com utility workers when
they're working on the roadside or a tree company. They put cones up. There
are ways to handle this. You let the police know um you can handle the
exemption. And of course, we are only talking about the commercial district.
And right now, I think we all know the problem streets are Corval, Priestley,
and East and West L. And they just get a lot of overflow. And and you know, you
can't control what the public does unless you have signs that tell them
what to do. Thanks. Mayor, can I add one comment to
something? So, I think the distance to the parking lot is maybe a contributing
factor, but the fact that the village wants to charge Heritage House to tell
their patrons to use a public parking lot is another thing. They would put
signs up. If there was a sign that said free public parking directly across the
street and everyone saw that, the distance wouldn't be as big of a deal.
But Heritage House is being told they can't use that parking lot unless they
rent it from us. And that's nonsense. No, it's I I I I mean, you know, people
can park the municipal lot, you know, they can park at the bank and
uh it's not that they can park there, they can't rent it. Uh they can park
there. I mean, I maybe I'm naive, but >> and they put up a sign that says
parking, >> but I I think that if Heritage Charge
House wants to have that lot exclusively for itself, then it pays then it pays a
fee, whatever it is, 10 bucks an hour or something, which is not much, but if if
someone wants payment of the heritage house wants to use it, hey, you know, uh
I that that that's my park here. taking part of the bank.
» Yes, council Mary. >> So, this also brings up a good point
that council Burkehead is addressing too. It is unsafe to cross Grow Road
from the rec center to the Heritage House. We've been after DOT.
» Oh, sorry. >> Appreciate that.
» Thank you, Daddy. >> See, you thought I was upset. She was
really upset with how wordy you were last meeting.
» It's a coincidence. Sorry. >> But the point is we've been after DOT
for a a lighted crosswalk at that point >> and at night uh when they were having an
event getting across crossroad safety. I mean we've got flags there but they are
not very good at night. >> And I think it's a safety issue as well.
» Y >> so that that's paramount if we're going
to allow them to use the rec center. We're going to we're going to be liable
somewhere on this hook if somebody gets killed crossing that road. Why don't we
let the two public people who would who signed up to speak speak and then we can
discuss it further. Uh who's next? Mandy.
» Troy Howard.
» Hi Troy Howard. I live in Corales. Uh, dear mayor and members of village
council, I am reading regarding writing this uh, regarding the proposed
restrictions on the parking along village rightaways. As a business owner,
I respectfully ask that the village carefully consider the impact these
changes may have on local businesses and restaurants uh, residents they serve.
Many businesses have invested significant time and resources based on
the current parking conditions. Restricting parking without adequate
alternatives could reduce customers access and create unnecessary challenges
for businesses. It will contribute to the character and economic vitality of
Coralis. If the village believes parking changes are necessary, I encourage the
council to work collaboratively with business owners to identify particular
solutions before implementing restrictions. Options such as public
parking areas, alternative parking locations, zoning modifications, or
variances could help address concerns while minimizing the impact on local
businesses. I appreciate your time and consideration and hope that the village
will work with the businesses to find a solution that benefit the entire
community. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Next, Mandy.
» Mary Bolio.
» Who was that? >> Mary.
» Hello again. Um, thank you, mayor, and thank you council members again for
bringing this important topic for discussion. Um, in addition to the email
and the photos that I sent you recently, uh, I would like to add to the list of
safety concerns already mentioned that residents and business owners are not
trained to deal with the general public. And that is what we're seeing an
increased influx of the public coming into our village into our neighborhoods.
Uh it is dangerous in this day and age to approach anyone and ask them to maybe
move their car because they're blocking our driveway, blocking our trash pickup,
blocking our access to our trailer when we're taking our green waste. Those
kinds of things are now dangerous because we don't know always. they're
not maybe our neighbors. Uh so there's a there's a real need for prof we need
professional help [laughter] in more ways than one. But uh we do need our law
enforcement to help us on these times when we feel very vulnerable and
exposed. We should not be asked to do this on our own. We don't have the
skills. Um, no parking signs are the key to the law enforcement. They are
universally understood. So, people coming from other communities, they get
it and we all understand it. And if we're talking about guests parking in
front of my house, well, if even if I wanted to have a few friends over, if
the business overflow parking is is all in front of my house, there's no room
for my guests to park either. So, what we do is we always stack people in our
driveway and sometimes we move our cars down the road. We'll ask a neighbor,
"Can we use one of your parking spots or two for our cars so we can fit more on
our property?" There are ways of dealing with this as residents. Is it a
sacrifice? Sure. Is it an adjustment? Sure. Do we accept it because we support
local business? You bet. It's worth it and it's a unique situation, but it's
the most important thing is that the children on my street are safe. They can
get to the mailbox. They can walk across to the pool, to the soccer fields. And
that is the most important issue here. Consequences are is of not doing
anything is that something tragic will happen eventually. Let's not wait for
that. Our community does not need that black eye. We do need to make an
adjustment. It's it's responsible growth and we can do it. And there are
sacrifices that need to be made for public safety. And our our law
enforcement needs the clear distinct signage to enforce the law. And this is
what they have told us. Please put the signs up for all of our safety. Thank
you. >> Thank you.
uh in the discussion by council councelor Roman.
» Uh yeah, I um strongly support uh councelor Burquette and and councelor
Murray. Uh we can get public parking first. I think we have uh some resources
that we can use. Uh I don't know where the site development plans are. Uh we
hear promises, but apparently they're in the works. Uh but also I think it's
really important as the councelor Murray pointed out that if we're going to
encourage people to use public parking on the west side of Corell's Road to get
to the businesses, there needs to be some kind of lighting. Uh I mean it's
now uh almost 8:30. All right. 8:10 it's light. Six months from now it's going to
be dark and through all the winter it's going to be dark and people are going to
be going to restaurants and bars using the public parking places but along
Coralis where there needs to be some lighting. Now if it has to be I don't
know what the depth is beyond uh Corales road that the village can access
lighting and not interfere with this next do but there's got to be some way
that we can we can handle that people are people are safe. that's separate and
apart from the really critical issue of crossing Carellis Road. But it's I think
that's important as well that that these parking lots are going
to be not adjacent to but somewhat near the businesses that we're discussing uh
and and we should use them and before I think before as a gentleman point out
before we uh delve into parking signs let's see as councelor Bquette indicated
let's see if these parking lots work and it may be 60% 75%
um and and we can deal with the rest after that.
» Marie, >> and also one other question if I could.
The um the packet indicated that the sign ordinance next meeting is going to
be on July 23rd. Is that July 23rd or June 23rd?
» June 23rd. Well, so we have we have a meeting on June 23rd and then we have a
meeting in in July, I believe also on the 23rd. It's that Thursday night
meeting that that we had scheduled. So the but the um the uniform traffic
ordinance, is that the one you're talking about? Yeah, that one will be
June 2. 23. >> And also, um, if I may answer your
question, if it's okay, mayor. Sure. >> Um, the Anderson site development plan,
uh, we do have to wait until after the new fiscal year, um, to be able to issue
the PO, um, so we don't get ourselves in trouble with our auditor for, you know,
um, so that site development plan will go into effect as as soon as we can
issue a PO at the after July 1st. That one is a go. PO4
» um the the work for the Anderson lot >> to to do the site development plan
» to to make it a parking lot. Yeah. We we had
» the site development. >> Yes. To make the site development plan
for the parking lot that that council saw and and uh voted to move forward
with for the Gonzalez property. That one is already underway. However, it no
parking is being considered. The only thing that we were directed to create a
a plan for was just those bathrooms. So that plan will not show any parking at
all. you walk to the bathrooms >> unless we choose to add that to the plan
before it comes out. >> Yep.
» Okay, >> that's we should do that.
» Yeah. What's the pathway to do that? Just amend this amend this motion that
we do that before we do publish and post.
» I think I think we should um we should probably have it as a as an agenda item
on the next meeting so that it's properly noticed to the public and that
that way if if somebody wants to come and show support for having parking on
the Gonzalez property, they have the opportunity to do that.
» Okay. Thank you, >> Council Murray.
» Well, along those lines, and I'm going to support the public parking, but I'm
also going to support that we reserve a portion of both of these lots as open
space because at some point, we're going to want to improve these properties and
make them something beyond other than a parking lot
» because it's, you know, I love open space. I love but a parking lot it's
kind of like what's that song you know cut down a tree and put and pave a
parking lot or put up a parking lot that's not go that's not Corales and I
want to see something that reflects Corales's values I don't want a wire
fence I want something that looks attractive and it's going to be enhance
the village so uh if we're going to have this as a as a item I would support that
» yeah I I I mean I [clears throat] think parking on the
gazal side is fine But you know the Gonzalez law can be
used a lot more than for parking. >> Uh you know I mean I was a part of a
group that planned proposed a heritage park there um and extension of law park
and parking was part of it too but not parking right in front on Corales road
but to have some vegetation buffer to make it to make it more corales instead
of oh it's a parking lot. And so all that has to be uh talked about and and
I've there are a half a dozen or so architects who are uh working to try to
help um us is is is going forth and getting uh architect on call architect
uh that'll help with some of this planning. So whether it's probably
better that way than the mayor or the administrator or even
council sort of drawing up a plan and saying hey you know this is what we
ought to do but maybe have some have some expertise come in as people have
talked about doing something professional
uh before we just say oh yeah we'll make it a parking lot but I mean I think a
parking lot should be part of it but is not the perhaps a primary part of that
that that [clears throat] real estate.
Councelor Knight, >> um, is Anderson also gonna be for the
growers market? So, it's not just going to be a parking lot, but it'll be also
for the growers market. >> The growers market can use that.
Correct. >> Like they use the current growers market
lot, which is I mean, it's basically a parking lot.
» So, they can use the Anderson. >> Sure. Everybody knew that that's where
the growers market's probably going to go to. Yeah, I mean it's got almost two
acres I think the Anderson law. So that's a a lot of space for Gorers
Market on Sunday and Wednesday and um parking other times. Yes, Council
Murray, >> I'm going to call a question.
» So as a reminder, the the item before you is to approve this resolution 2615.
» Okay. Councelor uh uh any second. >> We we've already had a motion in a
second to approve this. >> He called the question.
» Yeah. So he called the question. >> Okay. I guess it's a roll call vote
then. >> Correct.
» Councelor Mira. >> So the way I'm reading this just for
clarification is uh providing no parking areas along the residential streets
» and that we have a call for the question on that particular issue and that
particular issue only. and we're going to be
» so if what you're voting on is to approve resolution 2615 which would
publish and post the ordinance as written for approval in July
» or if we want to have a parking discussion we would
» so if you want to have a discussion >> vote no
» you would vote yes no >> vote no
» councelor Knight >> no
» councelor Bquette >> no
» councelor Murray >> no
» the motion does not pass um moving along
Um >> if if I may, mayor, does does anyone
want to make a motion on what to do next so that this because right now this has
failed. It's gone. >> We will not do any further work on it
without council's direction. >> I move that we have a discussion about
parking inside development plans of village owned properties um at the next
available meeting that we can possibly get that on the schedule for.
» I second. >> Any discussion?
Uh, I'm going to for the discussion phase, but I think we're there. Uh, we
probably there about a year and a half ago when I had a motion that we should
get both of these properties. We should see how they work together. And we
already voted yes on that one. It's been a year and a half ago. But that's okay.
Time heals all. But this is what we're doing and that's fine. So, it's fine
with me, >> right? I mean, and the parking should
include maybe the municipal parking lot. Uh, you know, because we have parking
available there. Um uh maybe it should include the Jones
property. I don't know. But they're more they're more lost than just the Anderson
and and I brought it up is because I think we had a motion that we already
voted on motion I I made a long time ago saying we should get these properties
see how they work together with one another and I don't think we're doing
anything different on that motion. So we're okay with that.
» No, we're still working at that. Okay. Um call the motion. Councelor Mirror,
how do you vote? >> Yes, sir. Councelor Wman.
» Hi. >> Councelor Knight. Hi. Councelor
Berquette. >> Hi.
» Councelor Murray. >> Yes.
» Motion carries to have a discussion at the next meeting on parking issues in
the village. Great. New business discussion and uh of
process and possible action on the vacancy of the district 4 council seat
for unexpired term of office per statute NMSA [clears throat]
3-21- uh one.
Um, I do not have a nomination at this time uh for the position. Um, and what
I'd like to do is is it's been recommended to open up the application
process for another week and uh perhaps have a nomination next meeting.
» We may have skipped an item on the uh the power line crossing Corral Road.
» Nope. That's the next one. >> That's the next one.
» I'm sorry. That That's the next item. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
» Sorry. >> You stole my house.
» You're trying to trying to leave early. >> Sharing.
» Sherry. >> Sharing.
» Sponsor Murray. >> Well, I was under the impression that we
were going to postpone this item to the next meeting. Is that correct?
» Yes. Okay. >> By by state statute, it has to appear on
every agenda until we get a nomination. >> This has to go up on agenda, though. and
and mayor and members of council, just for the the sake of keeping it a clean
record, um my suggestion would be to make a motion to table this until a date
certain and list the next regular agenda. Um as that date certain to have
this reappear and we can again table if necessary at that stage.
» Table or post? >> It's postponed. Table table is only in
the same meeting. Postpone is moving it to another meeting. I would move that we
postpone this item to the next meeting, June 23rd.
» Any second on that? Second. >> Any discussion?
All in favor say I. >> I.
» I. >> Any oppose? Motion carries.
Number two, consideration, action, and appro
What? Sorry. Consideration action approval of
resolution 26-35 approval of an overhead power line at 5311 Corales Road pursuant
to village code land use regulations section 1830 Q4.
Um may I have a motion to open this up for discussion?
» Move to approve. >> Second. Second.
» Any discussion now? Uh councelor Murray. >> Yeah, thank you. So, my only question
is, and I was looking, I don't know if I was looking at an old fixture uh along
Carl's Road, but seems to me there is a tree that is next to a utility pole
right that at that corner of the property. And if we're going to allow a
power line go across, I want that tree removed because uh it's going to
interfere with power with later down the road.
» Um my name is Esther Frederickson. I'm um my partner Kenny Dilap and I were the
builders. Um, so I put the I can answer questions about the tree.
» No, I'd like to see the tree removed just basically.
» Yeah. So, um I mean PNM um asked that we trim the tree. Um so we were going to
trim the tree in order to >> Is it an elm tree?
» It is an elm tree. >> Cut it down. [laughter]
» I'm going to go with Evan Loack. She was a proponent of removing every elm tree
within the village mainly because they suck water. But I would just I would
just ask you to remove it. >> Okay. I mean, I can talk to the land
owner about that. Yeah. >> I I do believe our fire chief would
support that that motion. >> Any other questions?
» He'd be better off >> that tree is going to be his property in
another year. So, >> any other question for any?
» Yeah. >> Yes. Hi, thanks for coming. Uh what is
the timeline for construction? >> Um so, we haven't submitted our permit
yet. Obviously the step one was um obtaining our driveway permit from NMDOT
which we did. >> Um
» so they they allowed >> I know that was a question before
» with with DOT about not alignment or something of the driveway.
» Um so NM DOT allowed us to put the driveway on the um north edge of the
property and it kind of curves um south a little bit. So they were fine with the
visibility for that. So yeah, we do have a agenda DOT permit for that. Um, so
step two was getting power to the lot. Um, there are power lines on the west
side of her property. um along the MRGCD MRGCD ditch. Um PNM didn't allow us to
use those because um they want they want the power to come from the front because
they have a lot of confusion with addresses when the power comes from
different parts, you know, different sides of the property. Um so the
transformer is on the opposite side of Coralis Road from her property. So
there's kind of no other way to access power to her property. um also say there
used to be prior to her engaging with us, there was an old um adobe house on
the property that was um had been demolished. So I assume that that house
had power at one point as well. Um but yeah, but you're right, there is a tree
at that corner. Um and there's also there's currently a Quest um
communication followed that >> Murray. Uh so is the irrigation ditch is
that being used or is that out of service?
» Um I believe it is being used. >> Okay. Is the idea then to run power
through another pole to the house or are you going to run it underground?
» It's going to be underground. So, we are minimizing the overhead power line to
the extent like really possible. We're trying to just get it over Corales Road
and then at that point we're going 230 ft underground to the proposed.
» Are you going to be farming front part of that or do they
» uh the it's it's zoned agriculture. I assume the homeowner is going to be I
mean she has access to the irrigation ditch and I think she intends to be
farming it but >> well how I'm I'm curious about how deep
you plan on putting the rest of the power underground because uh is there a
possibility that if you're farming you're going to dig up at or expose that
power line? >> No, I don't. No. And we're running um
along the ascia there. So I don't I mean that's not a place that you would be
tilling. Is that a That's not lined, is it?
» It's not lined. >> Okay. So, it could be subject to water.
» I mean, it's going to um I mean, I can get back to you on that on on the depth
for for our um electrical line, but we are obviously, you know, going to be put
we don't want to see that electrical line get messed up. Well, I understand
that's that's just the concern that if you're using the irrigation ditch, the
saturation of the water exposing into the cable or the cable detering because
of the exposure to the water. So, I'm just
» No, I don't I don't see that being an issue.
» Okay. >> And it should be a direct I mean, it's a
direct buried cable. So, >> Burket.
» Uh, thank you, mayor. Um, so this is I guess not specific to your application,
but just a thought. I mean, it seems like the only reason we're having to do
any section of overhead line is because P&M is saying that it's difficult for
them to figure out someone's address if the line runs east to west instead of
west to east. Um, it seems like you guys are doing everything possible to Yeah.
» bury as much as you can, >> right? And and that's not quite correct
because the the the line on the west side um would have to cross the MRGCD
ditch. >> Okay. So,
» so both would have to be above ground at some point.
» Yes. >> Okay. But I I I just think for something
just food for thought for our franchise agreement with P&M, we need to discuss
with them that their ease of identifying addresses is not justification for them
to ask people to put stuff over Carales Road. Um because we make everyone jump
through all these hoops to do a small section of overhead line. And a big
reason we're doing it is just for convenience of something that's very
simple to do that P&M says they don't want to do. You would have to say that
when we were going to bring you the P&M franchise as a as negotiated over the
last year and a half, I think at the next meeting. [laughter]
» Good point, though. Yeah. >> Yeah. I know we we've we've actually um
the the fire chief and I have gone back and forth with PNM on and our attorneys
on, you know, things like the the trees and um undergrounding and you know, I I
think we've we've reached a point where we've we've squeezed everything out of
them that we can possibly get. But yeah, we will have a new franchise agreement
for you um at the next meeting. But it it is very frustrating on our end too
because you know we would like them to meet certain conditions and yeah I mean
it it does seem like it it should be a no-brainer that they could figure out
where where the line is coming from. But >> and an issue I think is that PNM charges
a fairly high amount to run the line underground whereas to run it overland
is a lot less expensive. And so, you know, we're probably probably going to
be seeing more overhead line requests come in um uh because people feel they
can't afford to go underground. >> Well, and in this case too, you you
would have to go under Corales Road, which would then involve DOT for a
permit to go under the road. >> Easy to work with.
» Yeah. Our DNM is going to involve NMDOT to go over the road as well. So, and
they and B&M is sort of waiting for the outcome of of this variance in order to
start that process. >> Sir,
» well, that brings up the question too because
if there's I mean, yes, X number of dollars to go under the road, but what
is the cost to P&M if they have to come out and service that because of a storm,
the line goes down, they have to bring contractors in, and then what's the
repair? You know, eventually it adds up over the years when it might have been
simpler just to put it under the ground. Even though the cost may be I don't know
what it is. I mean, is it two times >> $7,000 to go to $7,000 to go
» the the $10,000 that I mean it's sort of a um they haven't given us a firm number
yet. >> It seems like to me to bring out a
contractor if there's a storm and a pole goes down or the lines come down over
Cross Road. What's the cost? It's probably negligible. I mean, it's it's
it's probably somewhere there's going to be a your return on investment is going
to be exceeding what it could have been if it had been under ground.
» PNM will do it. The thing is that the P&M charges the resident for it. And the
resident says, "Hey, you know, it's a lot less expensive going."
» Well, I understand, but it's >> overground than under.
» I'll I'll give you an example on my property. Our line runs across GR Road
down several houses to a property. Then it goes underground to my place.
I've watched the transformer on Crossro Road burn because it's on the pole and
something happened and you know it just disintegrate. But it takes out half a
dozen of us that are on that on that line. So anyway, that's just that's just
an example. >> So the so the transformer itself is on
the east side of Corales Road. So we're asking to put a customer owned pole. So
there would be a service drop. >> Um so the transformer is already there.
We're not putting in a new >> Well, it just it just
Okay. Um getting personal. I think 20 years ago
B&M charged us $15,000 to run line underground for us.
And that was 20 years ago. and we paid it just we felt that you
know we'd rather have a light underground for many reasons but we had
to >> either have you
» pardon me >> you haven't had a problem with the
underground service >> no
» any other questions for >> fire chief has a question
» fire chief
» council um I believe you've heard my testimony before. We're not I'm not in
support of any more above ground utilities. Uh we get calls. Uh just this
last week, we've had multiple trees down, some of them involving either low
voltage lines, delay in response. Uh two weeks ago, we had a cottonwood
tree come off um on a private property, fall down, pulled the overhead power
line to the service head off the house, shorted out. um kind of smoldering in
the box and luckily the the house didn't burn down. Um so
hearing that they're doing everything they possibly can to make it safer in a
customer-owned pole. Counselor, thank you for suggesting that the tree be
removed. Ultimately, this is your decision. This is their right to appeal.
Uh but I think we could do better by making sure that even if it is a
customer-owned pole and the utility is going to be overhead that the owner of
the property or if the property sells that it's you know that they have to
maintain a clear area around that service and not plant trees underneath
the power lines because they're just continuous you know it's a continual
problem in the village. So thank you. And the problem there is, you know, how
do you maintain that? You know, that's not a village easement and they're not
going to give us that land. And if the owner decides to plant a cottonwood tree
under it, uh what recourse do we have? Correct, mayor. Uh you're absolutely
right. Right. I mean, I I don't know how we can enforce it other than uh doing
our due diligence, PSAs, advising homeowners to if they have trees on
their private property that enforce, you know, reminding them it's their
responsibility. My understanding, I could be wrong, but when PNM
takes that their triplex or whatever service line from their pole to a
customerowned pole or to the house of residence, that is the responsibility of
that homeowner. And a lot of homeowners don't understand that. And um I I I just
think, you know, we could do a better part in trying to educate them that if
they do have trees that they're trimmed regularly. and uh maintained.
» Thank you, councelor Murray.
» Uh so this is a question for Lori. Then when the Lori when they bring you the
plans for your house, is there a way we can stipulate that any uh power being
brought into that property that it remained free of vegetation?
» We can give them a document to that effect. We already give them the dark
skies ordinance and uh we ask for certified asbuilts for their grading and
drainage. But but um like some folks have suggested it's hard people still do
what they're going to do and then trees grow. We we can certainly do that. We we
can tell them to >> and don't they have to have a when
another if the property train changes hands, don't they have to have a survey
done and they have to have certain stipulations on it? uh that's up to the
title company. Sometimes they just buy a property and okay
» uh you know we're we're talking most of these are some type of new construction
and then once it's there it's there once the overhead is there it's there um and
properties change hands people plant trees and it becomes more difficult to
to keep an eye on that. Is that an ordinance that we need or I'm just uh
kind of throwing this out to see where it sticks?
» And mayor and members of council, it reminds me of something that you had
said prior to this meeting, which is that the enforcement portion of the code
is kind of an area that I think really bears looking at. Um and I think sort of
in tandem I'm looking at um 1830 that subsection Q that talks about these
communication and electrical distribution lines. Um, and it really
doesn't address in a meaningful way anything to do with vegetation and
obstruction of the lines. Um, you know, there are a lot of things that are sort
of notably absent from this in terms of if we wanted to be able to, you know,
look out over somebody's property and see that there's a tree back there. Um,
you know, there's really no mechanism at this stage other than saying, "Hey, we
see that that tree is awfully close to your power line. You might want to
reconsider that." Um, and that's kind of where we're limited. Um so it may be
worth taking a look at that code in in tandem with taking a look at enforcement
provisions and seeing you know is this something I mean obviously one of the
reasons that this is here is that um the biggest concern is public safety uh and
if there is a meaningful way to get underground access u because it would be
a better benefit to public safety. I mean I think we just heard Chief tell us
that. Um, so I I mean it may not be strictly
necessary except for those lots where they already have overhead lines sort of
running through them, running near them, adjacent to those lot lines, you know,
where you might be considering granting this sort of with conditions,
right? There's no ability to give conditions at this stage the way it's
written.
» Uh, councelor Wman. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, Chief,
is that a possibility that you could think about working on an ordinance that
would help you in terms of vegetation under power lines going forward?
» Absolutely, Mayor Counselor. Uh, >> there there must be model legislation
out there somewhere. >> Yeah. And I I've done some research and
looking at some of the uh different ordinances and regulations and you know
some enforcements uh starting in California because you know some of the
wildfires have been caused and uh some are under investigation for you know
utility lines or some sort of power line and so uh I'd be happy to take on that
task. Uh, I'd like to work, you know, with our code enforcement, planning and
zoning, and also, you know, maybe we can parallel
um the P&M's, you know, vegetation management so we can help each other.
So, when they're coming through and cleaning up their power lines or
distribution lines, we're also doing our enforcement at, you know, on the ground,
educating the public and trying to come up with some of the rules to help us
make our community safer. you know, some of the major fires in New Mexico have
been power lines going through national forest and that that the cleared area
wasn't wide enough so that was when there was a problem sparking whatever it
was, it touched off these major wildfires.
» So using that as somewhat of a model and some of the California experiences.
» Yeah. and mayor counselor um planning and zoning and I we we've had this
discussion and and they're doing their part when they have a new site plan or a
plat coming before that you know vegetation uh landscape requirements and
stuff that's great if you have a certain amount of trees or shrubs you have to
put on your property just don't put them in roads and don't put them underneath
power and >> make sure they're not elm trees
» so thank you Murray >> I would move that we amend the uh motion
to uh require the removal of the on tree at that corner of the property.
» Any second to that?
» I'll second that. Any more discussion on that?
» Well, one, I think the tree needs to be removed mainly because it's going to
interfere with the power lines sooner or later. And two, it sucks water like
crazy. I mean, it's an elm tree and so I think we'd be better off if we just had
it removed. That eliminates the issue of the power lines being interfered later
in life. >> Any more discussion on that?
» I mean, Council Briquette and Council Knight,
» my agreement is in sheer deference to the chief's vastly superior knowledge to
me of the fire danger of uh of these trees and lines. And so, um, his
concern, uh, becomes my concern. >> Knight.
» Yeah. I just wanted to ask, do you think there's going to be a problem with the
homeowner about removing this tree? I mean, is it like give a lot of shade to
the house or >> No, it's not it's not a nice tree
nowhere. >> Yeah, it's it's not a nice tree. It's
just the cost of having to remove it. Um, you know, so that but if that's a
condition of your approval, then we'll just tell her and that if she wants
power, that's what she's going to have to do. [clears throat]
» Any more discussion? All in favor say I.
» Any oppose? Motion carries. >> Thank you.
» Thanks. >> That that was resolution.
» Well, that that was that was just um a vote to approve the amendment. Now you
need to go back and vote on the original motion with a Yes. With a roll call
vote. Okay. >> So, you're you're um you're voting on
approval of the line with the stipulation that they remove the tree,
right? Council me, how do you vote? >> Councelor Waldman. Hi. Councelor Knight.
Hi. Councelor Bquette. Hi. Councelor Murray.
» Yes. >> Motion carries. I'd like to take a
moment to uh thank uh Representative Casease for attending our meetings. Is
there another uh candidate in in the room right now? Anyway, we appreciate
you coming and attending and being aware of the thorny issues in Coral sometimes
and talk about [laughter]
» Oh, thank you very much for coming being concerned and aware. Um, next item, uh,
consideration, action, approval of resolution 26-35,
approval of an overhead power line at 5311 Corales Road pursuant to village
code land use regulation section. Next item, that's we just approved that one.
Number three, consideration action approval of resolution 26 uh-36,
approval of an overhead power line at lot B, Targeta Lane, pursuant to village
code land use regulation section 18-30 Q4. May I have a motion to open this up?
» Motion to approve. >> Second.
» Any discussion? >> Council would is somebody here from that
land that property >> mayor? I believe those are two
contiguous lots. A and B are part of what we just voted on previously. It's
the same address. She she just left. >> Oh, okay.
» Lori, are are do you are you aware of that being the case?
» It's a separate property, separate residence.
» Yeah. >> The the one that you just voted on is
5311 Carles Road. It's on the the west side of Carales Road. This is farther
north heading east off Targetta Lane. So, and Lori, correct me if I'm wrong.
This one is literally just P&M refusing to let them connect to their pool.
» Correct. That that is their new stance that they won't let anyone connect to
their fancy power lines that bring power to people, but we can't touch the fancy
power lines that bring the power to the people. We have to make another power
line that gets the power line from the one we can't touch to the one we can
touch. Correct. And bury it. Communities like Rio Rancho that are very strict
with overhead or I'm sorry with underground there. There's a a P&M has
come up with something. It's a riser and I'm trying to figure out how tall it is.
It's not certainly not as tall as a telephone pole. It's some kind of a
metal thing and so the power comes off of the pole, connects to that little
riser and then goes underground from there. So that's what undergrounding
communities are doing. And it's my understanding that this
» is that in our franchise agreement. >> I will have to go double check. I have
the diagram. Administrator, >> it does say in keeping with the
ordinance. >> Yeah. Yeah. The the franchise agreement
with P&M does say they have to abide by all of our ordinances. So, whatever and
we aren't specific about, you know, you have to follow 18 because the things can
change. So, it just says they will abide by all the village ordinances. So,
interesting. >> Murray. Well, um I guess the question is
bringing the power across uh from Targetta to lot B. Uh did they have to
get an easement from the uh owner of lot A?
» I don't know land owner here at all or >> because they're
okay. >> Or they're
representative >> both and it kind of makes it a moot
point that >> you can't build a house. separate houses
here. >> Chief, would you like to say something?
» What are they doing? Yeah. >> Mayor, council, uh, thank you. I don't
want to repeat what I said earlier. I think I got my point across. Um, my my
concern on this one was looking at the diagram.
Um,
and I understand that the power is there on Taretta. just lost my page, but it
looks like they're trying to put the pole right in the middle of lot B.
And I maybe Lori can clarify, but my suggestion or um would be that the pole
stay if P&M doesn't allow a an underground
conduit to be attached to their pole that a new owner pole be put where the
existing poles are on along that line of Taretta with underground service
underneath Targetta Lane to lot B. Does that make sense?
Will that work if they don't own both lots? I I I don't know. I mean, if they
own both lots, that works, but can they force another pull on someone else's lot
» that that Yeah. So, I have some questions just based on the diagram that
I see. Or it might require >> trenching down Taretta Lane if they have
rights to that for access and utility easement because they have a utility
easement obviously. The power poles are going on the north side of Targetta.
This one may need to get postponed until we can ask some questions.
» Yeah. I mean, Councelor Wilman,
» Mayor, can I can I ask Lori? Um, I pass that that property every day. Uh, it
seems to me that are you suggesting that these are two separate own perhaps not
owners, but two separate lots. So, there'll be two separate houses
potentially >> on Tetta. Correct. I mean, it's being
farmed now. There's a lot A and there's a lot B,
» right? How how large are each of the lots? Do you know?
» Gosh, I did look it up. Let me see if I can eyeball it. Um,
» pretty equal. >> Well, I'm gonna say they're about an
acre each. Uh the I I looked up the plat. There was an amended plat that
wasn't that long ago, so I I can reasonably assume they're about an acre
each. >> Legally platted lots that could be in
the future. There's farming occurring now, but they could contain houses. So,
if I'm looking at this picture that we have in the packet, there's
target Lane to the south and then lot A, >> lot B, right?
» And then and then there's an open space just below the the line.
» Is that is so is the land below that line where where the outline
is for lots A and B, is that part of it as well? because I don't think I don't
think they're an acre each A and B. >> I'm pretty sure they are. It's very hard
to see, but there is they're rectangular lots and to the south of lot A and lot
B, it looks like there's another road, but what that is is the indigenous farm
hub, I believe, and a separate property. >> So, where you where you see what looks
like a road to the south of lot A and lot B is simply just their farming
access on another property. seems to me that there, you know, questions about
this and without the property owner here, I mean, you know, are we going to
make conditions that the property owner has to abide by without the property
owner having discussion and input? Uh, I I just wonder whether that person or a
representative like in the previous item >> and this does say that the power is for
farming activities, not a home. I don't know if that makes a difference.
» Is the is the uh owner you proposed a power pole that the owner
is going to install for lot B and that's where the house is going to be.
» It right now the pole is going to be adjacent to a shed that they're using in
their farming activities. >> That's where in lot B in lot maybe this
is not for a house is just for maybe a pump
» at this point in time. Yes, it it it does say in the the letter from the
property owner, the purpose of the propo proposed new service is to provide power
to farming activities that are occurring on site.
» Does it doesn't mean that they couldn't build a house down the road, but yeah,
» it's got plans to build a house there. >> Yeah.
» Councelor Murray. >> So, mayor, I would uh I will withdraw my
motion and ask that uh we postpone this item to the next uh available council
meeting. >> I'll second that. Any discussion on
that? Uh, does this need
just a goof? >> Yeah, you can. Yeah,
» it's not a res. All in favor, please say I.
» I. >> I.
» Any oppose? >> Motion carries to postpone till the next
meeting. >> We Well, actually, we'll work with the
property owner to make sure they can attend the next meeting. And if not,
we'll move it to the next meeting that the property owner is available to
attend so that we can make sure that we don't run into this issue again. and
mayor and members of council just for the sake of the record. So I did look it
up on the assessor's website. So this property owner owns lot C and lot B. Um
so lot A is not part of the equation as far as I can tell. So his power line is
sort of already >> um would be crossing over a different
property owner's property. >> So they need they need an easement of
some kind I would presume. We'll see. >> But I guess that we can ask that when
» it may pre-exist. It would be entirely dependent on what that survey and plat
said you know when it was created. Okay. Okie do. Uh, last item in new business.
Um, item four, consideration action approval of resolution 26-37
adopting the 2028 to 2032 infrastructure capital improvement plan
ICIP. May I have a motion to open this? >> Move to approve.
» Second. >> Um, we have a motion to second. Any
discussion?
That's unusual. >> Take that roll call vote now.
» Fast. >> Are you here to check on your money?
Good for you. [laughter]
» And we we do have the option of um if we want to adjust the um so we have to get
this list into the state before July 1 and then they then they close the the
portal. We can't make any changes to it. However, before everything reopens for
the capital outlay process, they will reopen the portal for a short period of
time if we want to restructure any of our rankings as we get closer to that
time of requesting capital outlay. So, just just so you know, these these
rankings do get locked in after July 1, but we do have the option to change them
before we go to our our great legislators for for funding. And thanks
to Melanie for re surveying us because there was some confusion last time with
how we ranked. >> Thank you all to all the counselors for
for re-ranking them. >> Right. So on that uh Mr. Mayor, uh
municipal parking facilities means just what we were talking about earlier that
we have to wait. >> No, the municipal parking facilities is
was um specifically for the admin complex, not all the other. Yeah,
because that that was that was already >> but we still have to wait till till 1 on
this one. Okay. >> Yeah.
» Gotcha. >> Any other discussion?
» Okay. Um let's take a vote this resolution. So councelor Mariotti vote.
» Yes. >> Councelor Bquette.
» Yes. Councelor >> Knight. Councelor Wman. Hi. Councelor
» Mera. >> Yes sir. Um
» next item announcements. Uh future agenda items.
» Thank you. Number [laughter]
one, uniform traffic ordinance first reading next meeting on the 23rd of
June. Uh number two, possible fireworks ban renewal next meeting. Uh number
three, 40-year water plan update July 16th. And number four, draft noise
ordinance discussion to be announced. Uh any other changes or
» just the parking conversation? Y >> and parking conversation next meeting.
» Okay. Um we've done all our agenda items. So
» could I where we are on the uh your discussions with NM DOT?
» It was supposed to be the end of >> next month.
» So the um our our next meeting is next Thursday.
» Okay. >> At at 10 a.m. and then and then we go
back to every other month. And that's going to have to do with uh stop signs
and >> it'll it'll be ev everything. And I I
was um going to see if we could add to the agenda um just a brief discussion
about the um driveway permits because it it has been an issue getting those
approved with NMDOT. >> You know, I noticed the other day that
the new complex going up at Perea Road um has a long driveway off of Corell's
Road. Is that up for discussion or is that built in to the I mean what's going
to happen with that? >> So the anytime a property owner brings a
a new plat they have to get a drive so driveway permits do not go with the land
they go with the owner. So every time a a property changes hands along Crowis
Road that new owner has to go and apply for a new driveway permit
» through NMD through NM DOT and they don't they don't make that clear to
people. I think I I would assume if I bought a property and and I have access
off of Carl's Road, I would just assume that it's been allowed. I wouldn't know
that I had to go and get a new driveway permit to continue using that access
point. >> Councelor Murray.
» Uh thank you. So for Pere Road, can we put some commas in there so it's
$700,000, not $7 million? >> Yes.
» Okay. Thanks. [laughter] And also, uh for the DOT discussion, let's get the
crosswalks back on discussion. Yeah. So, the the crosswalks um those are on hold
until after this the safety study. So, the studies won't be um we won't have
results until early fall. So, the only thing we're going to get from DOT at
this next meeting is the contractor is working on on everything. We'll get
results to you in you know late August, early September.
» How about the pathway from the Monasuri school?
» Again, everything there. Well, with the the pathway, it's it's on the it should
be on the agenda. They said anything that has been a rolling item on the
agenda, which that is one of them. And they're they're waiting on the um
figuring out what the right of ways are. So, I actually um I I did get a little
bit passive aggressive um with DOT. Um we were having a discussion about
cutting down the trees on the north end and they had informed us that the
village must pay for that. And I said, "But that's your right of way, so
shouldn't you pay for it?" And then yes. Well, and then they said, "Well, I don't
have the the right-of-way documents." And I said, "Well, I do. Here you go."
And I emailed it to them. So, >> that's that Margaret lady, right?
» Yes. Well, no, no, this was this was Greg, the the head the head um
» Yeah. >> So, yeah, I did I did get a little pushy
and said, you know, please review this and please check the the pathway along
there and then the north end of town. >> You never heard from
» I've not heard from I have not heard from them yet. Yeah.
The other question I have is with the trees at north end, are they uh
historical trees that have been approved by the tree committee?
» I don't believe so. I will double check the list, the landmark trees list, but
no, they're elm trees. So, I don't think that they would they would be. Yeah. No.
And and that's what th those those trees have already been evaluated by an
arborist and and they confirmed that they are diseased and they need to come
down. So >> very good.
» Even if they were landmark trees, that's the process to remove a landmark tree is
to get it um certified by an arborist that there is a legitimate safety reason
and having a diseased tree is a legitimate safety reason. So we're
covered either way. >> Thank you for all the work. I I noticed
twice you had to put those polls back up that have the that have the signs. I
mean that just proves the point that they made earlier. They had to put up
those what twice already, right? They they keep knocking down those signs.
» Amazing. Anyway, thank you very much, council, for this is our fifth
consecutive uh Tuesday meeting. I think >> it is. It is. We actually get a little
break next week, so we won't we won't see you for two whole weeks.
» Anyway, meeting you.
» Yes. Hi.