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[chatter] No Nah

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That was kind of the same with

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Karate crab

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Oh, good. We got water.

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Praise God.

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Did you need it?

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Are you sure?

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Oh, okay. Wait here.

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I just need the page.

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I call to order the City Council
meeting for September 14th,

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2026 at 6:00 p.m.

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Ladies and gentlemen, in a few
moments I'll ask you to join me

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in the Pledge of Allegiance and
remain standing for the invocation.

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Our pledge tonight will be led by
Jack Atkinson.

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from Fannon Elementary and we're glad
to have him tonight.

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And Pastor J. Frazy from the First
Methodist Church of Corsicana

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will lead us in the invocation.

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Ladies and gentlemen, please stand.

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[chairs scraping]

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of
the United States of America,

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and to the Republic for which it
stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all.

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[laughter] Pastor Jay.

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And I asked for permission for a two
minutes of personal privilege

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because on September 15th of 1851,
175 days and one day ago,

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the deed was signed for the property
of First Methodist Church, what is
was then First Episcopal

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Methodist Church.

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And uh formalizing what had been
taking place for four years in this
community

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as Reverend Hampton McKinney and
several others were gathering for
worship.

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Uh 20 years later, the building, a
building was built there,

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and then in 1896, the building, the
historic Gothic Revival building that
we have today was constructed.

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Uh that building is the oldest church
building in Corsicana today,

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and quite possibly that is the
oldest, longest continuously meeting
congregation in Corsicana.

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On October 18th, we will be
celebrating our 175th.

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We want to invite everyone to come
out. We'll be having a celebration.

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We'll be having worship starting at
10, uh tours of the building, the
windows, uh the meal and everything.

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So I hope uh that this will be
something that honors this city and
the history of this city.

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Now, if you would join me in prayer.

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Holy and gracious God, thank you for
these servants who have given

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their time and talents to lead this
city.

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May your hand be upon them.

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You are the God of this city, you are
the light in this darkness.

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You are the hope to the hopeless. You
are the peace to the restless.

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As lyrics to the song continue,

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greater things are yet to come in
this city, oh Lord.

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I pray for your hand of guidance to
be upon these servants.

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I pray for you to be honored in the
discussions in this chamber

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and throughout their work.

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Lord, protect your city servants, the
police and fire department,

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the city workers and volunteers. And
may we, the citizens, join with these
great servants

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to bring about the greater things
that you have for this city.

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All this we pray in the mighty name
of Jesus Christ

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who lived and loved, who walked among
us and taught us to live

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in love and relationship with one
another and with you,

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who gave himself for us and was
buried, rose again

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and ascended into heaven.

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All glory to you, Almighty God, now
and forever.

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Amen. Amen.

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Please be seated.

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[chair moving]

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Mr. Pennell, I understand that you
have a few introductions to make

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and maybe a presentation.

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I do. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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I appreciate this time tonight and as
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we're resuming our student pledge
program.

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Involvement in our community is so
vitally important and

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it warms my heart to see such

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Such youth and vitality involved in
our civic government. And I'm not
just talking about me. [laughter]

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Um, we are very glad that Jack is
here this evening.

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Let me tell you a little bit about
Jack, our student tonight, who led
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Um, he is nine years old. He's in
fourth grade at Fannon Elementary.

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Uh and the school is represented
tonight by Assistant Principal
Jessica Benz.

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Um, let me tell you a little bit
about Jack.

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Jack loves all things sports and
outdoors.

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He loves baseball and golf and
football.

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fishing out of all those which are
your favorites.

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All of the above maybe?

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He participates in the gifted and
talented program at Fannon Elementary

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and has enjoyed participating in UIL
storytelling.

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He's been an AB student honor student
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and listen to this.

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He's maintained perfect attendance
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[applause]
That deserves a round of applause.

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While he is very proud to have been
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he admits he's a little nervous.

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But I think he did a fantastic job.

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With Jack today are his parents,
William and Haley,

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his brother Nicholas and his little
sister Charlie.

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Um, his favorite food are tacos from
the school cafeteria.

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And his favorite sport again is
baseball.

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When asked what his favorite thing is
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he said OMI,

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the Oks golf course and that all my
friends and family live here.

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So, on behalf of the student council,
we thank you Jack for being here

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[applause]
and Gallery Council, let's give him a
round of applause.

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[applause]

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I'm going to invite his family and
the mayor to come down

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for a photo

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and we've got a certificate

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that acknowledges that Jack
participated in our pledge program

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this evening.

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So Jack, congratulations.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Mayor.

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[chatter] [camera clicks] holding the
pose.

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Okay, There you go. this is great.

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Okay. Here we go, ready? One, two,
three.

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[crowd][camera clicks]

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All right, thank you very much.

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[applause]

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And might I add, Jim, before we move
on, uh,

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the entire family voted for you to
have another

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Fourth of July parade next year.

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Okay, great.

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We'll do it.

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We'll move to item four on your
agenda.

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Council will please consider
approving the minutes

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of the City Council work session

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of August 24th, 2026

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and the City Council regular session
of August 24th, 2026.

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May I have a motion?

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Mayor, I'll make a motion to approve
the minutes for both the workshop

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and the City Council meeting.

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Ms. Johnson's motion,

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do I have a second?

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Second. Second for Mr. Panell.

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Discussion, please.

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Do we have any additions,
corrections?

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Any additions, deletions?

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Hearing none, we'll call the
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All in favor of adopting the minutes
as presented, please say I.

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Any opposed?

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And the motion carries.

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Before we move to item five on public
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I'd like to take this opportunity to
invite Amy Tidwell,

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the director of tourism for Corsicana

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to come to the podium and talk about
the recent award received by the

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Destinations Texas conference.

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Yes, thank you, Mayor.

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Good evening, Council, City Manager,
City Attorney.

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Thank you for letting me have the
opportunity to come before you

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tonight. I know you have a full
agenda.

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I'm excited to share that Visit
Corsicana was recently recognized

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at the Destinations Texas conference

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a few weeks ago

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with the Destinations Excellence
Award for Sports Tourism Promotion

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for our work with the Heritage Bowl.

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The Heritage Bowl powered by Riot is
one of only three NCAA Division 2

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sanctioned ball games in the entire
country,

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and over the years, it has grown into
much more than a football game.

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Through our partnership with the
Heritage Bowl powered by Riot
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we have intentionally worked to make
this a three-day

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destination experience

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that brings student athletes,
coaches, families and fans into
Corsicana

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and encourage them to experience our
community beyond the stadium.

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The results really demonstrate why
sports tourism has become such an

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important part of our

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tourism strategy.

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The most recent Heritage Bowl
generated approximately 800

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hotel room nights and contributed to
100% hotel occupancy in

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Corsicana for three consecutive days.
Demand was so strong that

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it extended into neighboring
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hotels were so full. We also welcomed
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spectators, more than 200 players,
coaches and athletic

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staff, and approximately 300 band
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spirit squad participants. Beyond
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here in Corsicana, the event
generated more than 10,000,

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I'm sorry, 100,000 social media video
views and both the

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Heritage Bowl website and game live
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8,000 views. What I think makes this
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meaningful is that it validates the
city's strategic investment

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in sports tourism. Several years ago,
we identified sports tourism

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as one of the areas producing the
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investment. And the Heritage Bowl is
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that looks like in practice. Filling
hotel rooms, bringing

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visitors into our community,
generating economic activity

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and putting Corsicana in front of
audiences well beyond our

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city limits. This award really
belongs to the partnership behind

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the event. We are proud to work
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organization and all of the community
partners who helped

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make Corsicana a destination that
teams and visitors want to

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return to year after year.

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So I'd like to ask our Heritage Bowl
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and we'd like to take a photo with
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Um, I don't know if I had any CVB
board members?

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Thomas, my see uh, my chairperson's
gonna also come up.

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Our CVB is instrumental in issuing
the grant funding to help

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make the uh Heritage Bowl possible.

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Um, I got so excited to come to this
that I actually left my award

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at my office, but [laughter] it's
just a piece of paper.

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I think the words say well more than
the piece of paper that I have

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for the photo. So we're going to take
a photo with them and then I'll

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ask the chairperson uh of the board
Eric Bonner to come forward

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if you want to share any any words.

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Or none.

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Okay.

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Three minutes, Eric.

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[laughter]

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Hush.

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Well, thank you for giving us this
opportunity and we we really

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appreciate you sharing Amy with us.
Uh, the Heritage Bowl, powered

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by right, would you know, we do a lot
of great work, but the only

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things that I do is just stay out of
the way and let all my great

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board members do the work. So I am
the chairman of the board, I

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retire every year, but they tell me I
can't quit.

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Uh, so we've got vice chairman,
Richie Car.

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Um,

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Go ahead there you go.

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[applause]

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Secretary, Joshua Tackett.

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[applause]

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Our Treasurer is uh, Steven Nutt with
Community National Bank and

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Trust and uh, board members, I'm
sorry, executive director of

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communication, Raymond Lennox.

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He's at school board meeting.

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Um, Rusty Hit with Community National
Bank and Trust.

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[applause]

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Of course, Amy Tidwell.

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We've got uh, Michelle Hogan is also
on our Board of Directors.

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Here, here.

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Oh, there she is.

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[applause]

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Michelle Hogan.

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Didn't she come in?

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Uh, Brandon Owen, uh is also on our
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I think he got ever.

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Okay.

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He's got a football game tonight.

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So it's a very small group, but it's
a very hardworking group.

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And we are excited about showcasing
Corsicana.

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Uh, we have a lot of people come in,
so if you've never attended

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the game, I encourage you to attend
the game. It's the first

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Friday of December, every year. So
this year is December 5th.

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The teams arrive on Thursday night,
we start with a banquet,

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then they visit the schools on Friday
morning to do high five

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Friday, then we have uh community
Pepperrally at 5:30 on Friday night.

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So, if you haven't been to the game,
we encourage you to come.

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Uh, it's it's a great time, we've got
teams coming in from outside

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of the area to visit Corsicana. And
the response has always been

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the same. They love what Charlotte
and her group does with downtown

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and you know, they've been a great
partner with us with allowing

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us to set up the Pepperrally,
bringing out stands, um to welcome

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the team. So just for instance, last
year, we had West Texas A&M

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from Canyon, Texas. And Arkansas Tech
University from Jonesboro,

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Arkansas. So, we've got people coming
in from a long ways, we

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encourage them to bring their their
band, their cheerleaders, their pep

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[applause]

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Yeah. It's shiny.

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Did you make a snow for me?

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[applause]
Thank you all.

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Thank you, Heritage Bold. If you do a
dynamite job,

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we're grateful for your efforts.

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If we will uh rejoin the agenda at
item number five,

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the public forum.

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We have several people to sign up for
tonight.

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Um, I will fresh everybody. Um, as
your name is called,

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please come to the podium.

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State your name and full address at
the start of your comments.

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Each speaker will be given up to
three minutes,

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and by law the council cannot respond
to any comment

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or questions asked by a speaker
during the public

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comment period.

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Our first uh speaker tonight is uh
Margaret Evans.

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Good evening.

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It's kind of quiet in the room. Is
everybody alive? [laughter]

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First of all, I want to thank God for
this day.

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To the Mayor, Mayor Joe Hill,

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and his step and to everyone that's
in the in the room today.

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My name is Margaret Evans. I live at
713 South 42nd Street,

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Corsicana, in precinct three.

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And I just have a few things I would
like to say. I know it's

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three minutes, I could go on, but
then

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I'm going to start with West Park Row

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in the 3100 block, uh the lighting is
it's very dark at night time.

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We're needing some lighting down that
way all the way past 45th Street

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and beyond Walmart.

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Also, the uh Rome Road we was
checking out.

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Pastor Cat and I, um of the single
believers ministry, believers on

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Rich Ministry.

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We do we go out uh precinct two is
where we first started.

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That's our first love.

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You know, we live in precinct three,
but we're concerned about a lot of

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things that are going on in precinct
two and three.

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And so we just here today to see if
we could get some assistant.

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The lighting is real bad and the
roads.

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on West Park Road all the way past
since they built the behind OK Mart,

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which is the new uh stores, it's very
the road is really messed up.

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So we're asking if they could work on
the on the roads as well as

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the lighting.

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I usually don't drive at night, but
lately, I've been driving at night

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and I cannot see the lines at all.

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So we're just asking each and every
one who's responsible to to help us

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to get that taken care of in precinct
three.

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Precinct two, there's a lot of

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there's a lot of help that is needed
over there as well.

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So we're just asking who who it
whoever is responsible for that.

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We left our phone number, you can
give us a call

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and we'll do whatever we can do to
help you.

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We have got to a point where we got
up in age, so we don't move

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around as much as we used to.

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But we do love the city Corsicana,
and again,

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we want to tell Pastor

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[laughter]

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Mayor Joe Hill.

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Thank you so much.

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Not only he's busy here in the city,
he's busy on Friday. We saw him at

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the 9/11 program. Then on he turned
around on Saturday.

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on his days off, y'all.

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And he was a part, and we just really
appreciate him.

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Even before he was elected,

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he was there to help whatever was
needed.

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So we thank you from

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single believers ministry, believers
I reach.

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Pastor Cat, thank you and we love
you.

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And that is all that I have at this
time.

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I know my time is it.

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[applause]

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Next speaker is uh Shayla Johnson.

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[shuffling]

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[shuffling]

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[shuffling]

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Good evening, Mayor.

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My fellow council members, City staff
and citizens of Corsicana.

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Tonight I want to address the use of
flock cameras in our community.

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Let me be very clear, I am not
against flock cameras.

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Based on reports from the Corsicana
Police Department

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and the results we have seen in
precinct 2,

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I recognize that these cameras can be
effective,

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uh, for reducing crime,

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identifying stolen vehicles and
helping law enforcement

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investigate serious offenses.

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I previously voted in favor of a
grant that added

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flock cameras,

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not because we need more,

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but the grant provided other
important public safety resources

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supported by information presented by
our police department.

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I stand behind supporting tools that
help protect our neighborhoods.

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However, voting for a public safety
tool does not mean

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giving anyone unlimited authority to
use it without oversight.

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Cities across the country have raised
serious concerns

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about flock cameras.

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Uh, flock camera data being assessed
and unauthorized purposes,

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shared outside the original purpose
of an investigation

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or used to track people who were not
suspected of committing a crime.

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These concerns should be served as a
warning to Corsicana.

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We should not wait until someone's
rights have been violated

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before establishing safeguards.

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Public safety and constitutional
rights should never be treated

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as competing priorities.

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We can protect our citizens from
crime while also

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protecting them from unreasonable
surveillance and misuse

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of their personal information.

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This is why I am requesting that the
city of Corsicana

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adopt a local ordinance governing the
use of flock cameras

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and other automatic license plates
readers.

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This ordinance should clearly
establish who authorizes

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the access of this system,

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who legitimate law enforcement
purposes permits a search,

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how long information may be retained,

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when data may be shared with another
agency,

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requirements for documenting every
search,

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regular audits to identify improper
access,

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consequences for anyone who misuses
the system,

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and a public report showing how the
cameras are being used

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without compromising active
investigations.

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The ordinance should also prohibit
using the technology to monitor

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individual based solely on their
race, religion, political activity,

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immigration status, or participation
in lawful protests,

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except in a genuine genuine
emergency.

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Searches such that track a person's
past movements

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should should follow all applicable
warrants and probable cause

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requirements.

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This is not an accusation against
Corsicana Police Department,

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it is a responsible government.

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Good policies protect our citizens,
our citizens, our officers and the
city of Corsicana.

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Technology can help us fight crime,
but technology must also remain

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under human accountability and the
constitutional authority.

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If these cameras are are helping
reduce crime and precinct 2,

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let us continue using them.

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But let us use them with clear
boundaries, transparency and respect

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for our people we are elected to
serve.

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I'm asking the council to direct our
city attorney

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and police leadership to bring
forward a flock camera ordinance

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for public discussion.

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concludes your three minutes.

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Thank you guys.

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Thank you.

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[applause]

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Our next speaker is Barbara Kelly.

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[shuffling]

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Barbara Kelly, 800 Northwood.

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Mayor Hill, Council, my council, Jim
Penel.

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I just came up here to say to say two
things.

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When you guys do the comprehensive
plan

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because I'm now 60, I'm a senior
citizen.

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Please put some younger people on the
comprehensive plan.

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The 30 something-year-old, the 20
something-year-old,

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we need youth on the to be able to
come to the table

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because in 20 years,

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I'll be 80. You get what I'm saying?

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We need the young people to be a part
of this the comprehensive plan.

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So y'all start thinking about who can
be who can come to the table

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because we need to use their we need
their voice.

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00:30:14,812 --> 00:30:16,895
It's always the same people all the
time serving on these

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different committees. We do need
these young people.

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My second thing is, y'all know I was
a 35 I'm

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I've been a 35-year police
dispatcher.

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And I'll take pride in that.

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And when I was a dispatcher, I ran
T-Lex, I ran

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criminal histories, I did a lot of
stuff.

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And one thing about our departments
is that we did have rules.

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We had to sign thing sign sign off
that we weren't

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going to go and spread the
information that I looked up.

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And so I trust that, you know, our
local law enforcement is going to

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have policies and procedures in place
regarding flock cameras.

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Because if because you can abuse
anything.

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And believe you me in my 35 years of
police dispatching,

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I have seen law enforcement abuse
things.

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00:31:06,462 --> 00:31:09,962
And they got in trouble. There isn't
a there is internal affairs.

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00:31:10,572 --> 00:31:13,955
And so, I trust Chief McGayhey that
they're going to have rules

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in place for somebody that may abuse
the system.

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00:31:17,962 --> 00:31:19,815
But flock cameras are needed.

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00:31:19,882 --> 00:31:23,772
They are. And I know I've used the
system.

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And if it can help, you know, solve
crimes, I'm for it.

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00:31:29,672 --> 00:31:33,915
But don't argue with me about I've
had two people kind of argue with me
about flock cameras,

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00:31:33,982 --> 00:31:37,822
but I'm like, I'm law enforcement.
I'm law enforcement.

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00:31:38,272 --> 00:31:40,322
And I'm going to be that till I die,
okay?

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So I just wanted to get up here and
say that these two little things.

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But don't forget the young people,
okay? Thank you. Thank you.

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[applause]

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Mr. Terry Garner.

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00:32:02,582 --> 00:32:06,382
Terry Garner, 1401 Bowie Circle.

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00:32:06,542 --> 00:32:08,522
Mr. Mayor and council members.

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00:32:08,672 --> 00:32:12,835
Tonight I'm asking you to do more
than stop expansion of flock cameras.

448
00:32:12,902 --> 00:32:16,972
I'm asking you to remove the cameras
that are already installed.

449
00:32:17,402 --> 00:32:22,395
We hear that flock cameras is about
public safety. Nobody in this room is
against public safety.

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00:32:22,462 --> 00:32:24,845
We want our police to have the tools
they need to solve the

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crimes and recover the stolen
vehicles.

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00:32:27,062 --> 00:32:29,365
But public safety does not require
putting an entire community

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under surveillance.

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A flock camera doesn't know whether
the person driving is a criminal

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00:32:34,182 --> 00:32:36,615
or an innocent citizen.

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00:32:36,682 --> 00:32:37,895
It records everybody.

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00:32:37,962 --> 00:32:40,515
It records parents taking their
children to school,

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00:32:40,582 --> 00:32:43,665
workers going to their jobs, families
going to church,

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00:32:43,732 --> 00:32:46,285
and visitors coming into our
community, and ordinary citizens

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going about their daily lives.

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The question we need to ask is not
can flock help solve a crime? Of
course it can.

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00:32:53,442 --> 00:32:55,995
The real question is, does the
benefit justify creating an ever

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00:32:56,062 --> 00:33:00,805
expanding database of where innocent
people drive.

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00:33:00,872 --> 00:33:03,395
Before we add another camera, I
believe Corsicana should answer

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some basic questions about the
cameras we already have.

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How many searches have been
conducted?

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00:33:09,462 --> 00:33:13,575
Who has conducted those searches?
Which outside agencies can access our
data?

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How many times our information has
been shared and how long is

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00:33:16,132 --> 00:33:18,462
the information retained?

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00:33:18,692 --> 00:33:21,585
And most importantly, what measurable
evidence do we have

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00:33:21,652 --> 00:33:24,752
that these cameras have actually made
Corsicana safer?

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00:33:25,202 --> 00:33:28,042
If these cameras are essential, show
us the results.

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00:33:28,312 --> 00:33:31,505
If they're being responsibly used,
show us the safeguards.

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00:33:31,572 --> 00:33:34,842
If our information is to protect,
show us exactly how.

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00:33:34,912 --> 00:33:36,855
Don't simply tell us to trust you.

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00:33:36,922 --> 00:33:39,342
Transparency is how you earn trust.

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00:33:39,532 --> 00:33:42,695
And we should pay attention to what's
happening elsewhere.

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In Kendall County, Commissioners
recently voted 5 to 0 to not

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renew their flock camera,

480
00:33:47,222 --> 00:33:48,955
raising concerns about access to
data, information sharing

481
00:33:49,022 --> 00:33:51,035
and oversight.

482
00:33:51,102 --> 00:33:53,662
That's a warning Corsicana should
take seriously.

483
00:33:54,192 --> 00:33:58,085
And now we're talking about adding 10
more cameras through grant funding.

484
00:33:58,152 --> 00:34:00,915
But let me make one thing very clear,
grant money does not make

485
00:34:00,982 --> 00:34:02,985
surveillance free.

486
00:34:03,052 --> 00:34:04,972
The cost can be to our privacy.

487
00:34:05,112 --> 00:34:07,985
And one of these cameras are
installed and the system safeguards,

488
00:34:08,052 --> 00:34:11,245
getting it rid of it becomes even
more harder.

489
00:34:11,312 --> 00:34:13,402
So I'm asking this council for three
things.

490
00:34:13,762 --> 00:34:17,175
First, reject the expansion and don't
install additional cameras.

491
00:34:17,242 --> 00:34:20,385
Second, conduct complete public audit
of the existing flock system,

492
00:34:20,452 --> 00:34:23,835
its searches, access, data sharing
and results.

493
00:34:23,902 --> 00:34:26,065
Third, begin the process of removing
the flock cameras

494
00:34:26,132 --> 00:34:28,065
already operating in Corsicana.

495
00:34:28,132 --> 00:34:31,225
And I want each council member to
answer one simple question.

496
00:34:31,292 --> 00:34:34,592
Will you support removing flock
cameras from Corsicana, yes or no?

497
00:34:34,742 --> 00:34:37,645
Not will study it, not will look into
it, not let's wait

498
00:34:37,712 --> 00:34:40,932
and see, yes or no?

499
00:34:41,122 --> 00:34:44,542
Because opposing flock does not mean
opposing law enforcement.

500
00:34:44,802 --> 00:34:47,225
I mean, it means believing that we
can fight crime without treating

501
00:34:47,292 --> 00:34:49,475
every citizen like a suspect.

502
00:34:49,542 --> 00:34:52,835
We can protect our community without
creating a surveillance grid.

503
00:34:52,902 --> 00:34:55,495
We can give our police effective
tools without sacrificing the

504
00:34:55,562 --> 00:34:57,365
privacy of everyone else.

505
00:34:57,432 --> 00:35:00,075
Corsicana is a community, not a
database.

506
00:35:00,142 --> 00:35:01,132
So reject.

507
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:03,122
exact the expansion audit the system

508
00:35:03,189 --> 00:35:05,262
and remove the cameras and protect
the people

509
00:35:05,329 --> 00:35:08,322
who trusted you enough to put you in
these seats. Thank you.

510
00:35:08,389 --> 00:35:16,383
[applause]

511
00:35:17,369 --> 00:35:20,429
Mr. Kurt Bennett.

512
00:35:33,299 --> 00:35:35,322
Mayor Hill, members of the City
Council.

513
00:35:35,389 --> 00:35:37,822
My name is Kurt Burnett, 619 N 25th
Street.

514
00:35:37,889 --> 00:35:39,339
Corsicana, Texas.

515
00:35:39,999 --> 00:35:42,682
I'd like to address item 8A regarding
the proposed waiver

516
00:35:42,749 --> 00:35:46,712
of liquidated damages for the
property at 1402 East 9th Avenue.

517
00:35:46,779 --> 00:35:49,452
I want to begin by acknowledging that
the Infill

518
00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:52,422
Lot program is a worthwhile
initiative, encouraging the

519
00:35:52,489 --> 00:35:54,452
timely construction of affordable
housing.

520
00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:57,159
Corsicana is something most residents
can support.

521
00:35:57,379 --> 00:36:00,512
However, tonight's item raises
serious questions about

522
00:36:00,579 --> 00:36:03,282
administrative accountability and
oversight within city

523
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:05,302
operations that I believe this
council needs to address

524
00:36:05,369 --> 00:36:06,472
before voting.

525
00:36:06,539 --> 00:36:08,842
The facts are present, presented in
tonight's

526
00:36:08,909 --> 00:36:10,552
agenda are straightforward.

527
00:36:10,619 --> 00:36:13,902
The developer purchased this property
August 3rd, 2021.

528
00:36:13,969 --> 00:36:16,232
The contract required construction to
begin within

529
00:36:16,299 --> 00:36:19,482
six months, making the deadline
January 31st, 2022.

530
00:36:19,549 --> 00:36:21,169
That deadline was missed.

531
00:36:21,329 --> 00:36:23,502
Under the terms of the contract, the
city had the

532
00:36:23,569 --> 00:36:25,662
right to reacquire the property at
that point.

533
00:36:25,729 --> 00:36:28,252
Instead, the city's own staff issued
a building permit

534
00:36:28,319 --> 00:36:31,369
on this developer on June 13th, 2024.

535
00:36:31,529 --> 00:36:34,042
More than two years after the
deadline had already passed.

536
00:36:34,109 --> 00:36:36,522
Tonight's agenda acknowledges
directly,

537
00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:39,202
and I am quoting from the packet: "He
should not have

538
00:36:39,269 --> 00:36:41,522
been granted a permit on June 13th,
2024,

539
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:44,202
due to the six-month time frame to
start construction

540
00:36:44,269 --> 00:36:46,489
already having been passed."

541
00:36:46,629 --> 00:36:49,452
This is the city admitting that its
own staff made

542
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:52,472
significant administrative error, as
a result of that

543
00:36:52,539 --> 00:36:54,722
error, a developer who was in clear
violation of his

544
00:36:54,789 --> 00:36:56,042
contract was allowed to pursue with
construction.

545
00:36:56,109 --> 00:36:58,552
The city is now before this council
tonight asking

546
00:36:58,619 --> 00:37:01,202
to reduce the developer's penalty
from $64,900

547
00:37:01,269 --> 00:37:03,392
to $12,700.

548
00:37:03,459 --> 00:37:06,272
A reduction of over $52,000,
effectively asking taxpayers

549
00:37:06,339 --> 00:37:10,219
to absorb the consequences a staff
made.

550
00:37:10,799 --> 00:37:12,972
I have several questions I would ask
this council to

551
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:14,072
consider before voting tonight.

552
00:37:14,139 --> 00:37:16,772
First, which department was
responsible for issuing that

553
00:37:16,839 --> 00:37:19,182
permit in June 2024,

554
00:37:19,249 --> 00:37:21,772
and what review processes exist to
prevent permits

555
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:23,682
from being issued on properties with
active

556
00:37:23,749 --> 00:37:25,342
contract violations?

557
00:37:25,409 --> 00:37:28,242
Second, what accountability measures
have been put in place

558
00:37:28,309 --> 00:37:30,532
since this error was discovered to
ensure it does

559
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:32,822
not happen again in the infill
program or in another

560
00:37:32,889 --> 00:37:36,502
city program with similar contractual
requirements?

561
00:37:36,569 --> 00:37:39,392
Third, the city's admin error is the
primary

562
00:37:39,459 --> 00:37:41,472
justification for reducing this
penalty.

563
00:37:41,539 --> 00:37:43,662
Why is the developer not being held
to the original

564
00:37:43,729 --> 00:37:46,092
contract terms while the city
separately addresses

565
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:49,152
its internal process failures. The
two issues.

566
00:37:49,219 --> 00:37:51,972
Staff error and developer
accountability are being

567
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:54,422
conflated in a way that ultimately
benefits developer

568
00:37:54,489 --> 00:37:56,899
at the expense of the program's
integrity.

569
00:37:56,979 --> 00:37:59,672
This council appropriately holds
citizens and developers

570
00:37:59,739 --> 00:38:02,512
to the terms of their contracts with
the city.

571
00:38:02,579 --> 00:38:04,612
I would ask that you hold city
operations to the same

572
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:06,892
standard of accountability.

573
00:38:06,959 --> 00:38:09,182
An administrative error of this
magnitude,

574
00:38:09,249 --> 00:38:11,632
one that went undetected for over two
years, deserves more

575
00:38:11,699 --> 00:38:13,902
than a quiet line item and a
resolution,

576
00:38:13,969 --> 00:38:16,662
it deserves a transparent accounting
to this council

577
00:38:16,729 --> 00:38:18,592
and to the residents of Corsicana
about how it happened

578
00:38:18,659 --> 00:38:19,992
and what has changed.

579
00:38:20,229 --> 00:38:22,482
I want to close with a broader point
that I believe

580
00:38:22,549 --> 00:38:24,052
is critical for the future of the
city.

581
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:27,182
Corsicana is at a turning point, we
have larger developers

582
00:38:27,249 --> 00:38:28,882
and significant economic
opportunities

583
00:38:28,949 --> 00:38:29,992
on the horizon for this community.

584
00:38:30,059 --> 00:38:32,372
The stakes of the admin oversight
failure will only

585
00:38:32,439 --> 00:38:34,252
grow as those projects come to
Corsicana.

586
00:38:34,319 --> 00:38:36,912
If the city cannot properly track a
contractual deadline

587
00:38:36,979 --> 00:38:38,912
on a single infill lot, a relatively

588
00:38:38,979 --> 00:38:40,632
straightforward program,

589
00:38:40,699 --> 00:38:42,992
and that error goes undetected for
over two years,

590
00:38:43,059 --> 00:38:45,572
what confidence can this council and
this community have?

591
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:47,732
The residents of Corsicana deserve a
city administration

592
00:38:47,799 --> 00:38:49,482
that is prepared for growth.

593
00:38:49,549 --> 00:38:51,522
Tonight is an opportunity for this
council to send a

594
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:53,892
clear message that accountability
counts. Thank you.

595
00:38:53,959 --> 00:38:59,629
[applause]

596
00:39:03,549 --> 00:39:05,669
Mr. Scott Davis.

597
00:39:07,899 --> 00:39:09,792
He's gonna speak on one of the
ordinances.

598
00:39:09,859 --> 00:39:11,192
I'm sorry.

599
00:39:11,399 --> 00:39:13,139
Speak on one of the ordinances.

600
00:39:18,359 --> 00:39:20,649
He's going to speak in the public
hearing part.

601
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:26,982
Are there any other speakers that was
not aware that we

602
00:39:27,049 --> 00:39:29,089
have the sign-in?

603
00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:32,202
We want to hear from anybody that has
something to share

604
00:39:32,269 --> 00:39:35,069
with the council.

605
00:39:39,629 --> 00:39:42,909
If there's no other speakers, I'll
close the public forum.

606
00:39:43,009 --> 00:39:47,079
Move to item six, public hearings.

607
00:39:47,289 --> 00:39:48,622
We have one more.

608
00:39:50,859 --> 00:39:53,649
I will now open the public hearings.

609
00:39:54,189 --> 00:39:59,459
Miss Rossen, would you leave read the
caption for item 6A.

610
00:39:59,799 --> 00:40:01,132
Received.

611
00:40:01,523 --> 00:40:06,483
receive public input regarding
adopting the budget for fiscal year
2027.

612
00:40:06,693 --> 00:40:12,153
Chair recognizes Mr. Val Rich,
Director of Finance for the city.

613
00:40:16,233 --> 00:40:18,166
Good evening, Council.

614
00:40:18,233 --> 00:40:19,816
Tonight I'm here to present uh

615
00:40:19,883 --> 00:40:21,466
for your vote and adoption our

616
00:40:21,533 --> 00:40:23,316
budget and proposed tax rate.

617
00:40:23,383 --> 00:40:25,516
Uh just to recap from our prior

618
00:40:25,583 --> 00:40:27,016
work sessions, this is our

619
00:40:27,083 --> 00:40:29,416
budgeted revenues that we're
projecting.

620
00:40:29,483 --> 00:40:31,216
Uh we can kind of see year over

621
00:40:31,283 --> 00:40:33,416
year from 25 to 2027, so our

622
00:40:33,483 --> 00:40:35,216
2027 proposed revenues is

623
00:40:35,283 --> 00:40:37,583
$72.1 million.

624
00:40:37,883 --> 00:40:40,016
This is a 21% decrease from prior
year.

625
00:40:40,083 --> 00:40:41,716
The bulk of that decrease is

626
00:40:41,783 --> 00:40:43,116
actually because of a bond

627
00:40:43,183 --> 00:40:45,616
issuance last year that we're not
looking to do another

628
00:40:45,683 --> 00:40:47,216
issuance this year.

629
00:40:47,283 --> 00:40:50,616
Uh this is in accordance with our
capital improvement plan

630
00:40:50,683 --> 00:40:53,183
as we'll present further through this
presentation.

631
00:40:54,483 --> 00:40:56,616
For our expenditures tonight,

632
00:40:56,683 --> 00:41:01,016
the appropriated budget as presented
is the $95.2 million

633
00:41:01,083 --> 00:41:03,416
proposed budget for 2027.

634
00:41:03,483 --> 00:41:05,516
This is a 7% decrease, some of

635
00:41:05,583 --> 00:41:08,716
that is related to the capital
project funding.

636
00:41:08,783 --> 00:41:10,416
Uh as we completed capital

637
00:41:10,483 --> 00:41:13,316
projects this last year, we don't
have as much to continue

638
00:41:13,383 --> 00:41:15,216
to uh put forward in our budget.

639
00:41:15,283 --> 00:41:18,216
Uh and so there is a small decrease
in that budget, again,

640
00:41:18,283 --> 00:41:21,983
primarily related to capital
improvements and our capital plan.

641
00:41:24,383 --> 00:41:27,616
Uh just to recap of some highlights,
the infrastructure

642
00:41:27,683 --> 00:41:29,816
spending is continuing to be
increased.

643
00:41:29,883 --> 00:41:33,316
So year over year, last year to this
year, we're continuing to

644
00:41:33,383 --> 00:41:35,116
put forward about $20 million

645
00:41:35,183 --> 00:41:36,716
to address our aging and

646
00:41:36,783 --> 00:41:39,916
urgently needed uh infrastructure.

647
00:41:39,983 --> 00:41:43,016
Uh so we're seeing a large uh street
effort this year.

648
00:41:43,083 --> 00:41:44,916
I know that started on Beaten Street
already.

649
00:41:44,983 --> 00:41:48,216
Uh that'll continue into next year
according to this plan

650
00:41:48,283 --> 00:41:50,916
and we've seen a lot of uh water and
sewer line

651
00:41:50,983 --> 00:41:54,216
replacements both this year and into
next year.

652
00:41:54,283 --> 00:41:58,016
And so making sure we can continue to
uh service those

653
00:41:58,083 --> 00:42:01,516
infrastructures going to be a
critical point of both this

654
00:42:01,583 --> 00:42:03,883
year's budget and last year's.

655
00:42:03,983 --> 00:42:06,516
We're continuing to make investments
into our workforce

656
00:42:06,583 --> 00:42:10,016
and so we want to make sure that our
public safety is competitive,

657
00:42:10,083 --> 00:42:13,216
uh so that way we can uh continue to
attract qualified

658
00:42:13,283 --> 00:42:16,916
talent, uh as well as make City of
Corsicana a place people

659
00:42:16,983 --> 00:42:18,683
want to work for.

660
00:42:20,283 --> 00:42:22,716
And then a big component in our
budget this year was

661
00:42:22,783 --> 00:42:23,816
improved financial literacy.

662
00:42:23,883 --> 00:42:26,916
And so if anybody has taken the time
to glance through the

663
00:42:26,983 --> 00:42:30,716
300 page uh budget document that
we've prepared here,

664
00:42:30,783 --> 00:42:34,116
uh you've made big strides to make
sure that as much of it

665
00:42:34,183 --> 00:42:36,816
as possible is as friendly as
possible.

666
00:42:36,883 --> 00:42:40,016
So uh while tonight we're just
looking at the highlights,

667
00:42:40,083 --> 00:42:41,916
we have gone in depth through the
budget, through our

668
00:42:41,983 --> 00:42:44,616
communication and different work
sessions and we've put

669
00:42:44,683 --> 00:42:48,216
a put out a comprehensive document uh
for the citizens

670
00:42:48,283 --> 00:42:50,983
to look at and see all the details.

671
00:42:53,283 --> 00:42:55,116
A big piece of this budget is going
to be our General

672
00:42:55,183 --> 00:42:56,583
Fund revenues.

673
00:42:59,483 --> 00:43:02,616
Here is kind of the year over year
total for General Fund

674
00:43:02,683 --> 00:43:04,316
revenues, and so from 2025,

675
00:43:04,383 --> 00:43:09,083
$26.7 million to our projected 2027
of $29.4 million.

676
00:43:09,183 --> 00:43:12,216
This is about a 4.5% increase from
prior year.

677
00:43:12,283 --> 00:43:15,216
The bulk of that is going to be from
our sales tax and our

678
00:43:15,283 --> 00:43:16,883
franchise tax collections.

679
00:43:17,683 --> 00:43:22,916
Uh so sales in the city and then the
utility users that use

680
00:43:22,983 --> 00:43:25,316
the city right of ways generating
most of our

681
00:43:25,383 --> 00:43:27,083
additional revenue for this year.

682
00:43:27,783 --> 00:43:30,916
Uh one thing we'll see is that our
city service charges,

683
00:43:30,983 --> 00:43:32,916
especially related to the General
Fund are saying

684
00:43:32,983 --> 00:43:35,816
consistent this year and that's one
thing we're seeing as well

685
00:43:35,883 --> 00:43:37,216
in our revenues.

686
00:43:39,683 --> 00:43:42,616
I did want to look a little bit at
that tax revenue because

687
00:43:42,683 --> 00:43:44,383
that is the bulk of our revenue for
the General Fund.

688
00:43:44,483 --> 00:43:47,216
Uh about half of it is coming from
sales tax,

689
00:43:47,283 --> 00:43:50,016
uh so that is a primary revenue
source for the city.

690
00:43:50,083 --> 00:43:54,516
There's a total 8.25% sales tax on
all qualified sales.

691
00:43:54,583 --> 00:43:57,916
6.25% of that's imposed by the state
and collected and retained

692
00:43:57,983 --> 00:43:59,116
by the state.

693
00:43:59,183 --> 00:44:01,816
The remaining 2% stays local.

694
00:44:01,883 --> 00:44:04,883
Now that 2% that's local varies by
jurisdiction.

695
00:44:05,183 --> 00:44:07,916
Here in Corsicana, it's broken down
as follows.

696
00:44:07,983 --> 00:44:10,016
And so the city retains 1%,

697
00:44:10,083 --> 00:44:14,416
a half percent, the city uses for
property tax reduction,

698
00:44:14,483 --> 00:44:17,416
and then another half percent is
collected by the County of

699
00:44:17,483 --> 00:44:18,616
Navarro.

700
00:44:18,683 --> 00:44:21,516
So for every $100 purchased,

701
00:44:21,583 --> 00:44:24,916
$8.25 cents of sales tax is added to
that.

702
00:44:24,983 --> 00:44:29,316
Uh the state collects $6.25 cents,
the city $1.50, but

703
00:44:29,383 --> 00:44:32,816
50 cents goes to reducing property
tax rate and then

704
00:44:32,883 --> 00:44:34,783
Navarro County collects another 50
cents.

705
00:44:36,683 --> 00:44:39,916
On to the big item which is our
property tax revenue, again,

706
00:44:39,983 --> 00:44:41,783
this is another primary revenue
source.

707
00:44:42,483 --> 00:44:44,616
It's comprised of a lot of moving
components.

708
00:44:44,683 --> 00:44:47,516
The first piece is that your property
value is established

709
00:44:47,583 --> 00:44:49,116
by the Navarro Central Appraisal
District.

710
00:44:49,183 --> 00:44:51,916
So that is a separate governmental
entity away from

711
00:44:51,983 --> 00:44:56,016
the city, away from the county, uh
that independently determines

712
00:44:56,083 --> 00:44:59,183
the values of the properties inside
Navarro County.

713
00:44:59,783 --> 00:45:01,116
Tax assessing

714
00:45:01,217 --> 00:45:04,360
collecting is performed by Nevara
County. They collected all for all

715
00:45:04,427 --> 00:45:08,227
jurisdictions and then remit that to
the appropriate jurisdictions.

716
00:45:08,607 --> 00:45:12,050
I have updated this total tax rate
here with the proposed

717
00:45:12,117 --> 00:45:14,477
and adopted tax rates for 2027.

718
00:45:14,567 --> 00:45:19,780
Uh so we can see of course, Canana
ISD is the biggest at 1.16.

719
00:45:19,847 --> 00:45:25,120
Uh City of Corsicana 5208, County of
Nero 4245

720
00:45:25,187 --> 00:45:28,320
and then Nero College 0.1077.

721
00:45:28,387 --> 00:45:32,560
And so we can see kind of some quick
math that if a home was

722
00:45:32,627 --> 00:45:34,627
appraised at $200,000.

723
00:45:35,287 --> 00:45:40,580
the total tax is going to be
$4,439.80.

724
00:45:40,647 --> 00:45:43,620
And then we can kind of see that's
broken down proportionally of which

725
00:45:43,687 --> 00:45:47,727
each jurisdiction is collecting from
that property tax.

726
00:45:52,567 --> 00:45:54,940
A little bit about the city's
property tax.

727
00:45:55,007 --> 00:45:59,020
So our current tax rate in this
fiscal year is 0.5034,

728
00:45:59,087 --> 00:46:02,190
comprised of a MNO of 0.3555.

729
00:46:02,257 --> 00:46:06,150
This is the portion of the property
tax that is the revenue for the

730
00:46:06,217 --> 00:46:09,200
city that we use to uh for
maintenance and operations.

731
00:46:09,267 --> 00:46:13,000
So this is the piece that helps
provide the expenditures,

732
00:46:13,067 --> 00:46:15,167
provide for the expenditures.

733
00:46:15,427 --> 00:46:19,710
Then we also have debt service, which
is any debt we've used, some of that
debt

734
00:46:19,777 --> 00:46:21,870
goes towards things like the capital
improvement program.

735
00:46:21,937 --> 00:46:25,707
And so that debt there is 0.1479 for
the current year.

736
00:46:27,007 --> 00:46:31,040
Uh the tax assessor calculates our
tax rates for us.

737
00:46:31,107 --> 00:46:34,220
And so they calculated the no new
revenue rate for our current year

738
00:46:34,287 --> 00:46:37,520
as 0.5208 and a maximum voter

739
00:46:37,587 --> 00:46:40,127
approval rate of 0.5430.

740
00:46:40,347 --> 00:46:44,720
Tonight we're proposed and the no new
revenue rate is our tax rate

741
00:46:44,787 --> 00:46:47,347
for this next fiscal year. 0.5208.

742
00:46:47,897 --> 00:46:52,320
This is comprised of a maintenance
and operating of 0.3675 and a

743
00:46:52,387 --> 00:46:54,687
debt service of 0.1533.

744
00:46:56,217 --> 00:46:58,920
Uh as pointed out in some of our
other ordinances,

745
00:46:58,987 --> 00:46:59,910
this is a small increase.

746
00:46:59,977 --> 00:47:04,270
The MNO specifically increases by
3.38% from prior year.

747
00:47:04,337 --> 00:47:08,077
And the total rate increases by 3.46
from prior year.

748
00:47:08,947 --> 00:47:12,010
Now a little bit behind this
calculation and how this works out.

749
00:47:12,077 --> 00:47:15,747
And so there on the right hand side
we have uh some other information.

750
00:47:15,997 --> 00:47:18,620
Uh like I said, the CAD determines
that taxable value for us

751
00:47:18,687 --> 00:47:20,280
up there at the top.

752
00:47:20,347 --> 00:47:24,747
And so last year's taxable value was
$2.7 billion.

753
00:47:25,357 --> 00:47:27,520
When we look at the same properties,

754
00:47:27,587 --> 00:47:30,370
that becomes our 2026 adjusted
taxable value.

755
00:47:30,437 --> 00:47:34,620
So from 25 taxable to the adjusted
taxable, that's the same properties,

756
00:47:34,687 --> 00:47:40,217
it reduced to 2.6, down $114 million
from prior year in value.

757
00:47:40,327 --> 00:47:43,920
So this reduction in value is what's
driving uh the increase

758
00:47:43,987 --> 00:47:46,627
in our no new revenue rate percentage
there.

759
00:47:49,127 --> 00:47:53,420
After that, we add in any new value
generated in the year, and so we

760
00:47:53,487 --> 00:47:57,920
added $52.9 million for a new 2026
total taxable value of 2

761
00:47:57,987 --> 00:47:59,717
point $6 billion.

762
00:48:00,457 --> 00:48:02,767
or $2.69 billion.

763
00:48:03,337 --> 00:48:07,187
Uh and we can kind of see some of
this math here with how these rates
stack up.

764
00:48:07,277 --> 00:48:11,220
And so there in the top box is our
current year tax rate of 5034

765
00:48:11,287 --> 00:48:15,320
times our 2025 total taxable value,
which generates a total of

766
00:48:15,387 --> 00:48:18,017
$13.8 million in total collections.

767
00:48:18,687 --> 00:48:23,520
Our proposed rate and our no new
revenue rate as calculated compares

768
00:48:23,587 --> 00:48:26,570
against the adjusted taxable value.

769
00:48:26,637 --> 00:48:30,170
And so this is kind of the hard part
about the tax rate for us,

770
00:48:30,237 --> 00:48:33,420
uh is that it looks at the same
properties as last year compared

771
00:48:33,487 --> 00:48:38,020
to this year, and so those values
decreased, and so our tax rate is

772
00:48:38,087 --> 00:48:40,497
increasing on the same values.

773
00:48:40,617 --> 00:48:42,720
And so that's where the 0.5208

774
00:48:42,787 --> 00:48:44,160
that we're presenting tonight comes
from.

775
00:48:44,227 --> 00:48:48,200
And as you can see our total
collections is down based off of
that.

776
00:48:48,267 --> 00:48:51,820
So even with the tax rate increase,
we're still losing out on about

777
00:48:51,887 --> 00:48:56,057
$115,000 in revenue from this year to
next year.

778
00:48:56,217 --> 00:49:00,620
Now once we add in the new values, uh
it does increase up, so about

779
00:49:00,687 --> 00:49:06,177
$160,000 total value, or total
revenue gain to $14 million.

780
00:49:09,497 --> 00:49:12,320
This one kind of explains that no new
revenue tax rate

781
00:49:12,387 --> 00:49:15,920
uh a little bit more graphically, but
basically as values go up,

782
00:49:15,987 --> 00:49:17,170
then our no new revenue can decrease.

783
00:49:17,237 --> 00:49:21,120
If values decrease, then our no new
revenue tax rate has to increase

784
00:49:21,187 --> 00:49:24,507
in order for us to maintain the same
revenue dollars from year over year.

785
00:49:24,897 --> 00:49:26,720
Uh and so this is just a little bit
of a breakdown

786
00:49:26,787 --> 00:49:28,947
to kind of help explain that a little
bit better.

787
00:49:30,507 --> 00:49:34,220
I do want to provide some property
tax rate comparisons, these are

788
00:49:34,287 --> 00:49:36,707
updated proposed tax rates for all of
our comparison cities.

789
00:49:36,827 --> 00:49:39,920
Uh so we can see Corsicana at 0.5208

790
00:49:39,987 --> 00:49:43,720
and then some of our neighboring
cities and comparison cities around

791
00:49:43,787 --> 00:49:45,410
the state in our area here.

792
00:49:45,477 --> 00:49:49,720
Uh selected for either population
size or similar geographics

793
00:49:49,787 --> 00:49:51,577
or uh county seat.

794
00:49:52,727 --> 00:49:54,060
things like that.

795
00:49:56,397 --> 00:49:58,620
What I will say from updating this
spreadsheet,

796
00:49:58,687 --> 00:50:00,987
pretty much all cities are faced with
the same

797
00:50:01,555 --> 00:50:03,818
thing is that all of their values
also decreased.

798
00:50:03,885 --> 00:50:06,952
Uh and so most of them are either
having to increase

799
00:50:07,019 --> 00:50:09,052
or their MNOs increasing to
compensate for for that

800
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:11,815
loss in value.

801
00:50:14,835 --> 00:50:18,012
The other significant portions are
sales tax and so here's

802
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:21,068
my math behind our sales tax
projection

803
00:50:21,135 --> 00:50:24,612
and why it's increasing from 11.3 to
this year to 11.9

804
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:27,795
next year or 11.6 as I have budgeted.

805
00:50:28,065 --> 00:50:30,292
Uh and so we just have a very strong
trend, a lot of the new

806
00:50:30,359 --> 00:50:33,075
businesses are helping drive this as
well.

807
00:50:38,255 --> 00:50:40,542
A big piece is our five-year capital
plan and so again,

808
00:50:40,609 --> 00:50:42,698
capital planning matters, it helps us
allocate our

809
00:50:42,765 --> 00:50:43,998
resources for growth.

810
00:50:44,065 --> 00:50:46,192
And so as the city continues to look
towards growth, having

811
00:50:46,259 --> 00:50:48,208
a good solid plan that's flexible but
provides

812
00:50:48,275 --> 00:50:50,098
guidance,

813
00:50:50,165 --> 00:50:52,612
is going to be important to make sure
we're addressing all the

814
00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:54,608
needs that we have for that growth,

815
00:50:54,675 --> 00:50:58,805
especially as that growth impacts the
older infrastructure.

816
00:50:59,125 --> 00:51:02,028
Uh helps us with investment
opportunity prioritization.

817
00:51:02,095 --> 00:51:03,712
And so as we look out forward,

818
00:51:03,779 --> 00:51:04,998
we can see when we need the money,

819
00:51:05,065 --> 00:51:06,912
when we need to take out debt, when
we need to make sure

820
00:51:06,979 --> 00:51:08,198
we're investing our money

821
00:51:08,265 --> 00:51:10,372
so that way we can potentially earn
interest as opposed to

822
00:51:10,439 --> 00:51:12,688
needing to take out debt.

823
00:51:12,755 --> 00:51:14,445
All this is part of a strategy.

824
00:51:15,025 --> 00:51:16,748
And of course, improved fiscal
responsibility.

825
00:51:16,815 --> 00:51:19,752
It helps us communicate that clearly
to our uh residents,

826
00:51:19,819 --> 00:51:21,618
to the citizens,

827
00:51:21,685 --> 00:51:23,832
uh to the council, and as well as
maintain

828
00:51:23,899 --> 00:51:25,985
our accountability internally.

829
00:51:27,585 --> 00:51:29,542
For the general fund, these are our
projects from 2027

830
00:51:29,609 --> 00:51:31,715
to 2031.

831
00:51:34,555 --> 00:51:38,902
We can see about 15.9 right under
right under 16 million

832
00:51:38,969 --> 00:51:43,075
dollars in proposed projects for this
next fiscal year.

833
00:51:43,245 --> 00:51:45,042
Uh we do have about 18.8 million
dollars in funding

834
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:48,458
between debt issuances, donations,
general fund, uh not

835
00:51:48,525 --> 00:51:50,932
general fund, but fund balances from
various funds that are

836
00:51:50,999 --> 00:51:55,705
supporting these projects.

837
00:51:57,805 --> 00:51:59,850
Here are some of the major projects,
a lot of infrastructure

838
00:51:59,917 --> 00:52:03,848
projects, both streets, out at the
airport, city facilities,

839
00:52:03,915 --> 00:52:07,942
some equipment purchases, like an
ambulance power stretchers,

840
00:52:08,009 --> 00:52:09,898
uh and then some projects that are in
progress that were

841
00:52:09,965 --> 00:52:11,798
closing out.

842
00:52:11,865 --> 00:52:13,812
Uh things like the animal shelter
that are in progress,

843
00:52:13,879 --> 00:52:18,865
a fire training tower, as well as a
Quint fire apparatus.

844
00:52:20,425 --> 00:52:22,472
On the utility side, we're continuing
to be pretty

845
00:52:22,539 --> 00:52:23,718
aggressive with our improvements here

846
00:52:23,785 --> 00:52:25,922
11.6 million in projected expenses
supported by 11.9

847
00:52:25,989 --> 00:52:29,825
uh in bonds issued.

848
00:52:32,395 --> 00:52:34,482
We have significant progress on
completing pipe bursting

849
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:38,128
projects, working on our 287 bridge
utility relocations,

850
00:52:38,195 --> 00:52:40,642
and then continuing to improve our
aging wastewater, water and

851
00:52:40,709 --> 00:52:43,505
utility system infrastructure.

852
00:52:47,155 --> 00:52:49,805
Any questions that I can answer at
this time?

853
00:52:52,125 --> 00:52:53,685
Yes, I have a few.

854
00:52:55,505 --> 00:53:01,458
So looking at the um looking at some
of the items,

855
00:53:01,525 --> 00:53:04,622
I noticed that uh the municipal court
Truancy

856
00:53:04,689 --> 00:53:08,358
Prevention Fund is 7,000.

857
00:53:08,425 --> 00:53:12,815
I'm trying I didn't know we had
truancy.

858
00:53:13,235 --> 00:53:16,242
That is a mandatory fee that the
state mandates that

859
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:18,618
municipal court collects.

860
00:53:18,685 --> 00:53:21,792
So for certain offenses, a portion of
the fine has to be

861
00:53:21,859 --> 00:53:23,718
allocated to a bunch of different
buckets,

862
00:53:23,785 --> 00:53:27,022
such as court security, court
technology, truancy,

863
00:53:27,089 --> 00:53:30,078
uh rules of the road.

864
00:53:30,145 --> 00:53:32,672
Uh and so there's a lot of little
buckets that every fine

865
00:53:32,739 --> 00:53:35,918
that the city assesses has to go to
as well as a portion that

866
00:53:35,985 --> 00:53:38,598
has to be remitted back to the state.

867
00:53:38,665 --> 00:53:41,332
So that is a special revenue fund
that's comprised of

868
00:53:41,399 --> 00:53:45,298
finds from those finds.

869
00:53:45,365 --> 00:53:47,965
So they get to get fine for traffic.

870
00:53:49,265 --> 00:53:51,412
Well, just from fine money is divided
up, you know, like if

871
00:53:51,479 --> 00:53:53,808
you pay a fine for a speeding ticket,

872
00:53:53,875 --> 00:53:56,552
the law designates what some of the
fees go to, what you have

873
00:53:56,619 --> 00:53:59,138
to use it for.

874
00:53:59,205 --> 00:54:00,038
Got you.

875
00:54:00,105 --> 00:54:01,098
Correct, is that

876
00:54:01,165 --> 00:54:03,772
Yes. So it's titled truancy because
that's what it was

877
00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:06,698
established as when the state said a
portion of these

878
00:54:06,765 --> 00:54:10,322
fees or fines has to go into this
bucket to address this

879
00:54:10,389 --> 00:54:16,025
issue. And that's what it is for.

880
00:54:16,525 --> 00:54:17,358
Okay.

881
00:54:17,425 --> 00:54:20,312
The other um question I had was what
we're looking at the

882
00:54:20,379 --> 00:54:23,035
uh the fees and cost of services.

883
00:54:23,185 --> 00:54:25,752
I noticed that like the commercial
water rates, um and

884
00:54:25,819 --> 00:54:31,515
the residential water rates are the
same.

885
00:54:32,665 --> 00:54:35,502
Um, I thought we had a discussion
that they should

886
00:54:35,569 --> 00:54:41,808
pay, I guess because they use it more
gallons or something

887
00:54:41,875 --> 00:54:45,405
like that?

888
00:54:46,255 --> 00:54:48,198
I thought that we

889
00:54:48,265 --> 00:54:50,318
Are you referring to our last uh work
session?

890
00:54:50,385 --> 00:54:51,228
Yes.

891
00:54:51,295 --> 00:54:53,472
So, if correct me if I'm wrong, Val,
the the information

892
00:54:53,539 --> 00:54:56,098
that was presented in that rate study
was not necessarily for

893
00:54:56,165 --> 00:54:58,265
this budget year.

894
00:54:58,565 --> 00:55:00,992
Um, it was something for us to look
at.

895
00:55:01,059 --> 00:55:03,516
we could either amend the fees later,

896
00:55:03,583 --> 00:55:05,816
but it wasn't necessarily going to be

897
00:55:05,883 --> 00:55:08,778
uh considered in this particular
budget at this time. Was that
correct?

898
00:55:08,845 --> 00:55:12,398
Yes, we ran out of time to make sure
we all were on the same page there.

899
00:55:12,465 --> 00:55:15,528
but there are two separate pieces
presented. One was

900
00:55:15,595 --> 00:55:17,708
uh just the rates as they exist
today.

901
00:55:17,775 --> 00:55:21,685
what kind of revenue we needed to
remain uh

902
00:55:23,095 --> 00:55:25,598
with our heads above water and what
that looked like,

903
00:55:25,665 --> 00:55:29,108
and then a separate piece, which was
that construction in progress

904
00:55:29,175 --> 00:55:30,965
additional fee.

905
00:55:31,225 --> 00:55:34,218
And so I know from the end of that
meeting, we wanted to look at

906
00:55:34,285 --> 00:55:36,618
how that was structured instead of
something uniform across the board.

907
00:55:36,685 --> 00:55:39,938
We wanted to look at applying
different rates to different

908
00:55:40,005 --> 00:55:43,485
user groups to assess, you know,

909
00:55:43,965 --> 00:55:47,218
senior citizen is not using near as
much water as a major industry.

910
00:55:47,285 --> 00:55:51,918
and so it's not equitable for them
both to be saying the same for our

911
00:55:51,985 --> 00:55:52,838
CIP costs.

912
00:55:52,905 --> 00:55:55,668
It would make a lot more sense for
the heavy users to pay

913
00:55:55,735 --> 00:55:57,988
a larger share of that.

914
00:55:58,055 --> 00:56:02,138
And so uh yes, we wanted to make sure
that that's being addressed

915
00:56:02,205 --> 00:56:04,958
and so nothing presented tonight is
addressing that

916
00:56:05,025 --> 00:56:06,328
particular side of the issue.

917
00:56:06,395 --> 00:56:10,155
to where we're that is for a future
budget year.

918
00:56:12,118 --> 00:56:15,751
Uh the only other thing that I kind
of notice is that

919
00:56:15,818 --> 00:56:19,821
uh we're doing deposits for water.

920
00:56:19,888 --> 00:56:25,838
Our residents are paying 250 if you
rent, 150 if you're owner.

921
00:56:26,098 --> 00:56:28,381
And industrial is only pay- they're
paying the same amount

922
00:56:28,448 --> 00:56:30,818
as a residential renter.

923
00:56:31,708 --> 00:56:34,251
Um, to me it doesn't really make
sense,

924
00:56:34,318 --> 00:56:37,491
cuz industrial make millions of
dollars and they're

925
00:56:37,558 --> 00:56:40,028
only paying 250 for a deposit.

926
00:56:40,108 --> 00:56:43,481
And so my only thing with that would
be if we

927
00:56:43,548 --> 00:56:47,591
in the future can look at possibly
changing that part.

928
00:56:47,658 --> 00:56:51,831
But other than that, um, that's all I
kind of notice.

929
00:56:51,898 --> 00:56:53,231
said.

930
00:56:54,857 --> 00:56:57,957
Any other questions from the council?

931
00:56:58,537 --> 00:57:01,287
From the audience, any questions?

932
00:57:04,067 --> 00:57:07,880
If not, we'll move to uh Ross, would
you read the

933
00:57:07,947 --> 00:57:08,780
Mr. Mayor.

934
00:57:08,847 --> 00:57:09,680
Yes.

935
00:57:09,747 --> 00:57:11,727
We have a question.

936
00:57:12,767 --> 00:57:16,287
If you have a question, please come
forward, state your name

937
00:57:17,447 --> 00:57:20,337
and uh your address, and you have
three minutes.

938
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,350
public hearing.

939
00:57:26,970 --> 00:57:30,463
Yes, Kirpernet 619 N 25th Street.

940
00:57:30,530 --> 00:57:31,763
Of course, Cannas.

941
00:57:31,830 --> 00:57:36,193
I just it's more of a an issue I saw
when I was reading through this

942
00:57:36,260 --> 00:57:38,250
about some of the verbs we were
using.

943
00:57:39,070 --> 00:57:42,133
Um, and correct me if I'm wrong
because it kind of was kind of

944
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:43,833
confusing going through it all.

945
00:57:43,900 --> 00:57:47,713
But you know, the tax rate ordinance
under item 6C states,

946
00:57:47,780 --> 00:57:52,163
the proposed tax rate is not greater
than the no new revenue tax rate.

947
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:55,923
This means that the city of Corsicana
is not proposing to increase

948
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:59,323
poverty taxes for the 2026 tax year.

949
00:57:59,390 --> 00:58:00,950
So that was last year's, correct?

950
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:09,400
So, the uh from the same properties
as last year. Correct.

951
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,343
Because then further on, the same
ordinance goes on to state this

952
00:58:12,410 --> 00:58:16,043
tax rate will raise more taxes for
maintenance and operations

953
00:58:16,110 --> 00:58:17,253
than last year's tax rates.

954
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,923
And then further the tax rate will
effectively be raised by 3.46%

955
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:24,343
and will raise taxes for maintenance
and operations

956
00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:26,853
I went off a $100,000 home by
approximately $12,

957
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,063
but you are a $200,000 up there.

958
00:58:29,130 --> 00:58:32,543
So on the board where it says the
3.46 increase and also

959
00:58:32,610 --> 00:58:36,300
down below the 3.38% increase.

960
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,263
Reading the agenda, it directly
contradicts one another

961
00:58:40,330 --> 00:58:43,283
and I don't think the city can
simultaneously tell residents

962
00:58:43,350 --> 00:58:45,513
it's not proposing to increase
property taxes

963
00:58:45,580 --> 00:58:47,313
while acknowledging the rate will
raise more taxes

964
00:58:47,380 --> 00:58:49,150
and effectively be raised.

965
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:52,720
So I'm just making sure there's not a
clerical issue.

966
00:58:56,395 --> 00:58:59,848
So, on this note, a lot of it's going
to have to do with the

967
00:58:59,915 --> 00:59:03,148
mandatory way the state makes us say
the verbage in there.

968
00:59:03,215 --> 00:59:07,118
So anything that looks out of place
in the ordinance, all capitalized,

969
00:59:07,185 --> 00:59:10,245
larger font and things like that,
that's required verbage from the
state.

970
00:59:10,475 --> 00:59:15,498
Uh in this case, the the math kind of
doesn't 100% make sense.

971
00:59:15,565 --> 00:59:20,188
And so when we look at the math has
presented here,

972
00:59:20,255 --> 00:59:24,338
uh from 2025 total taxable value to
the 2026 adjusted taxable value,

973
00:59:24,405 --> 00:59:27,635
these are the same properties year
over year.

974
00:59:27,715 --> 00:59:31,188
And so this is where it states that
the no new revenue rate

975
00:59:31,255 --> 00:59:32,735
that we're not going above it.

976
00:59:33,135 --> 00:59:36,648
And so because we're locking in at
that 0.5208, which was

977
00:59:36,715 --> 00:59:39,358
calculated off of the adjusted
taxable value,

978
00:59:39,425 --> 00:59:41,665
that's where that piece comes in.

979
00:59:41,885 --> 00:59:46,578
Now, when you add in the new value,
our 2026 total taxable value does

980
00:59:46,645 --> 00:59:51,655
go up from the adjusted taxable value
by about 53 million in value.

981
00:59:51,945 --> 00:59:55,055
And so that's where the MNO is going
to generate more.

982
00:59:55,665 --> 01:00:01,389
Um now, this is unfortunately, we
look at the whole city, we

983
01:00:01,456 --> 01:00:03,879
I can't look at an individual and
assess anything individually.

984
01:00:03,946 --> 01:00:10,239
And so, uh, overall our property
values decreased by 114 million.

985
01:00:10,306 --> 01:00:16,259
Some of that was a mandatory
exemption from the state, the
personal business property exemption.

986
01:00:16,326 --> 01:00:18,859
Uh, that reduced it by about 53
million,

987
01:00:18,926 --> 01:00:21,209
and then the Central Pasel district
also helped

988
01:00:21,276 --> 01:00:25,059
us out reducing some people's
property values further.

989
01:00:25,126 --> 01:00:27,649
Uh, to get us to where we are at
today and why our no new

990
01:00:27,716 --> 01:00:31,449
revenue rate is increasing over last
year's adopted tax rate.

991
01:00:31,516 --> 01:00:33,509
I just want to make sure that

992
01:00:33,576 --> 01:00:35,309
the city we're not going to get in
trouble for

993
01:00:35,376 --> 01:00:38,439
I know you're supposed to use the
boilerplate that the was it

994
01:00:38,506 --> 01:00:42,896
26.05 the Texas code requires, but

995
01:00:43,446 --> 01:00:45,309
I flied it because they contradict
each other.

996
01:00:45,376 --> 01:00:48,559
I just want to make sure that we're
taking out something if it

997
01:00:48,626 --> 01:00:51,149
was copy and paste from last year
into this year's.

998
01:00:51,216 --> 01:00:52,159
We are.

999
01:00:52,226 --> 01:00:56,349
Uh, I also because of how confusing
it is, I do utilize

1000
01:00:56,416 --> 01:00:59,439
other means and other checks to make
sure that we're including

1001
01:00:59,506 --> 01:01:00,819
everything that we're supposed to.

1002
01:01:00,886 --> 01:01:03,839
And so, because of the way the math
works out in the total,

1003
01:01:03,906 --> 01:01:08,479
it is an increase and there is a
larger M&O revenue generated.

1004
01:01:08,546 --> 01:01:12,879
Um, but based off of last year's
adjusted values are the current

1005
01:01:12,946 --> 01:01:16,836
year adjusted values being less than
last year's total tax rate.

1006
01:01:17,076 --> 01:01:19,999
We are locked in at the no new
revenue rate.

1007
01:01:20,066 --> 01:01:22,829
That was the only thing I saw that I
was kind of concerned about.

1008
01:01:22,896 --> 01:01:24,676
Thank you. Thank your suit, please.

1009
01:01:26,146 --> 01:01:27,666
Is there anyone else?

1010
01:01:28,376 --> 01:01:30,089
Anyone else?

1011
01:01:30,156 --> 01:01:32,129
Hearing none, we'll move to the next
item.

1012
01:01:32,196 --> 01:01:35,709
Mayor, I was I was going to ask if
you want me to talk now or if

1013
01:01:35,776 --> 01:01:37,529
you wanted me to talk on one of these
future ones.

1014
01:01:37,596 --> 01:01:39,749
Uh, we've got you in the next one.

1015
01:01:39,816 --> 01:01:41,366
In the next one? Okay.

1016
01:01:43,046 --> 01:01:45,416
Um.

1017
01:01:45,776 --> 01:01:48,006
Okay, we will go to

1018
01:01:50,676 --> 01:01:53,156
item 6C.

1019
01:01:53,456 --> 01:01:55,006
Or were we?

1020
01:01:57,576 --> 01:02:01,519
Marcy, were the last one that you
read for us was

1021
01:02:01,586 --> 01:02:04,416
We're on 6B.

1022
01:02:04,626 --> 01:02:06,259
All right.

1023
01:02:06,326 --> 01:02:07,686
6B.

1024
01:02:07,836 --> 01:02:10,409
Uh, would you read that caption,
please, ma'am?

1025
01:02:10,476 --> 01:02:13,209
Yes. Receive public input regarding

1026
01:02:13,276 --> 01:02:17,589
ratifying the property tax increase
reflected in fiscal

1027
01:02:17,656 --> 01:02:22,109
year 2027 adopted budget and
acknowledging that the increase

1028
01:02:22,176 --> 01:02:27,716
raises more in tax revenue than the
fiscal year 2026 adopted budget.

1029
01:02:29,086 --> 01:02:30,476
Mr. Ridge.

1030
01:02:37,176 --> 01:02:38,179
Uh, I won't labor this too much.

1031
01:02:38,246 --> 01:02:42,489
This is a mandatory step by the state
to ratify that there

1032
01:02:42,556 --> 01:02:45,309
is a increase in revenue being
generated.

1033
01:02:45,376 --> 01:02:48,489
Uh, we we kind of addressed that
there in the last comment.

1034
01:02:48,556 --> 01:02:51,949
But basically because our values
decreased when we look at the

1035
01:02:52,016 --> 01:02:55,779
same properties, we had to raise our
no new revenue rate, our the

1036
01:02:55,846 --> 01:03:01,676
no new revenue rate raised by 3.34,
excuse me, 3.46% in total.

1037
01:03:02,036 --> 01:03:07,109
Uh, the maintenance and operations
also increased by 3.38 from prior

1038
01:03:07,176 --> 01:03:10,269
year and this is going to generate
more money than last year because

1039
01:03:10,336 --> 01:03:14,426
of the new values are the new
properties added to our valuation.

1040
01:03:14,856 --> 01:03:18,216
Input or questions for the from the
council?

1041
01:03:20,016 --> 01:03:22,176
Anything for Val?

1042
01:03:23,016 --> 01:03:25,756
Any input or questions from the
audience?

1043
01:03:27,406 --> 01:03:30,656
Hearing none, we'll move to item C,
Miss Rossen.

1044
01:03:31,006 --> 01:03:37,679
Receive public input regarding
adopting the tax rate of 0.5208

1045
01:03:37,746 --> 01:03:40,596
for fiscal year 2027.

1046
01:03:41,576 --> 01:03:43,969
Mr. Ridge.

1047
01:03:44,036 --> 01:03:48,109
This is the actual adoption of the
tax rate and so we are

1048
01:03:48,176 --> 01:03:52,159
presenting the no new revenue rate as
calculated 0.5208.

1049
01:03:52,226 --> 01:03:54,556
We can see the math as presented.

1050
01:03:58,236 --> 01:03:59,676
Mr. Holsou.

1051
01:04:00,116 --> 01:04:01,779
Sure.

1052
01:04:01,846 --> 01:04:06,289
Um, so, I I'd ask the mayor, um,
since we're talking about all of

1053
01:04:06,356 --> 01:04:09,709
these things with the property tax
rate and the dollars

1054
01:04:09,776 --> 01:04:10,629
collected and everything.

1055
01:04:10,696 --> 01:04:13,859
Um, if he'd be okay if I just kind of
gave us a property tax

1056
01:04:13,926 --> 01:04:15,479
system 101, so everyone could

1057
01:04:15,546 --> 01:04:18,579
uh, maybe understand this a little
bit better.

1058
01:04:18,646 --> 01:04:22,159
Um, because the the point that the
city of Course Can is in,

1059
01:04:22,226 --> 01:04:26,069
um, is kind of a unique situation
within the the property tax code.

1060
01:04:26,136 --> 01:04:29,209
And so I wanted to be able to explain
this to everybody to to

1061
01:04:29,276 --> 01:04:31,656
help you understand it a little bit
better.

1062
01:04:32,426 --> 01:04:35,309
Um, unfortunately, I have to join the
club here now.

1063
01:04:35,376 --> 01:04:38,849
Um, so, uh, Val, could you go to the
the next slide, the one

1064
01:04:38,916 --> 01:04:39,999
with the arrows?

1065
01:04:40,066 --> 01:04:42,309
Yeah.

1066
01:04:42,376 --> 01:04:45,309
Um, so, the the way that the system
works and this is not a

1067
01:04:45,376 --> 01:04:49,109
defense of the system, this is not an
endorsement of it, this

1068
01:04:49,176 --> 01:04:51,089
is just the way that it works.

1069
01:04:51,156 --> 01:04:55,409
Is, um, the the city receives, uh,
the certified totals from the

1070
01:04:55,476 --> 01:04:59,309
appraisal district and then the city
receives from the tax assessor

1071
01:04:59,376 --> 01:05:01,390
collector the no new revenue rate.

1072
01:05:01,457 --> 01:05:02,990
and the voter approval rate.

1073
01:05:03,057 --> 01:05:09,680
And so that no new revenue rate, that
is calculated as the same dollars
from

1074
01:05:09,747 --> 01:05:16,640
the same properties as the year
before, and then any new builds, any
new

1075
01:05:16,707 --> 01:05:23,450
businesses, houses, development, what
have you, gets added onto that. And
so same

1076
01:05:23,517 --> 01:05:29,890
dollars from same pockets is, uh, is
left steady with the no new revenue
rate from

1077
01:05:29,957 --> 01:05:33,900
the previous year, and then the way
that a city or a county or a school
district

1078
01:05:33,967 --> 01:05:40,967
recognizes growth is from the new
development that comes with it. And
so,

1079
01:05:42,427 --> 01:05:48,560
um, when we receive those those
rates, uh, the the city and, and I'll
just say

1080
01:05:48,627 --> 01:05:52,150
the city as any government entity.
This applies to school districts,
junior

1081
01:05:52,217 --> 01:05:59,217
colleges, counties, what have you.
Um, that no new revenue rate,
anything higher

1082
01:06:01,057 --> 01:06:06,650
than the no new revenue rate is a tax
dollar increase. Anything below the
no

1083
01:06:06,717 --> 01:06:11,700
new revenue rate is a tax dollar cut.
And then the voter approval rate is
the

1084
01:06:11,767 --> 01:06:13,740
maximum amount allowed by law before
voters have to vote to raise their
taxes

1085
01:06:13,807 --> 01:06:18,620
that amount. And so, um, it's in that
scenario that any government, the
city in

1086
01:06:18,687 --> 01:06:22,360
our case, we can choose the no new
revenue rate and that is same dollars

1087
01:06:22,427 --> 01:06:25,900
from same pockets as the year before.
Anything higher is a tax increase.
Uh,

1088
01:06:25,967 --> 01:06:30,940
the city can, can pass any rate up to
the city can, can pass any rate up to
the voter approval rate, um, without
without

1089
01:06:31,007 --> 01:06:33,850
voter approval. It's a little
backwards, but that's how it works.
Uh, the city can

1090
01:06:33,917 --> 01:06:40,100
also pass a rate all the way down to
zero. The city could decide to
abolish

1091
01:06:40,167 --> 01:06:47,000
property taxes right here and now if
we wish. But you always have to be
careful

1092
01:06:47,067 --> 01:06:49,990
what you wish for, right? Um, you
kind of have to pick, okay, what what
$9 million

1093
01:06:50,057 --> 01:06:56,480
worth of services are we no longer
going to offer? Um, but the the way
that this

1094
01:06:56,547 --> 01:07:00,710
works, um, is a lot of times people
focus on tax rate from year one and
compare it

1095
01:07:00,777 --> 01:07:07,777
to tax rate from year two. And so,
uh, in in this scenario, um, what's
happened is

1096
01:07:09,477 --> 01:07:14,360
because property values have come
down, that no new revenue rate is
actually

1097
01:07:14,427 --> 01:07:20,100
higher than the previous year's tax
rate. And, uh, like what Val said, a
good

1098
01:07:20,167 --> 01:07:24,340
portion of that reduction in value
that reduction in value that caused
the rate to go higher than last

1099
01:07:24,407 --> 01:07:30,490
year's rate, um, was due to, I think
it was proposition nine, um, on the
November

1100
01:07:30,557 --> 01:07:32,650
2025 ballot. Um, where Texas voters
approved $125,000 business personal

1101
01:07:32,717 --> 01:07:39,717
property tax exemption for commercial
users, um, who have to render that
business

1102
01:07:40,287 --> 01:07:42,180
personal property tax. And so because
of that, and then some some other
appraisal,

1103
01:07:42,247 --> 01:07:47,030
um, decisions, um, that value was
reduced. And so normally when values

1104
01:07:47,097 --> 01:07:53,590
continue to increase, that no new
revenue rate typically drops below
the previous

1105
01:07:53,657 --> 01:07:57,680
year's rate to account for that
increase in value. When total values
go down,

1106
01:07:57,747 --> 01:08:03,150
that's when the no new revenue rate
comes up. Because we as a city, we
don't levy

1107
01:08:03,217 --> 01:08:09,630
taxes on that house or that business,
we have one bucket of value that we
can levy

1108
01:08:09,697 --> 01:08:16,697
a tax on. And that's the, uh, that
that that is the non-exempt, uh,
taxable value. And

1109
01:08:18,757 --> 01:08:20,890
so when that, uh, when that bucket of
value reduces, you get the situation

1110
01:08:20,957 --> 01:08:25,470
where we have. So in the uh, in the
ordinance where it says, um, the tax

1111
01:08:25,537 --> 01:08:29,590
rate will be effectively raised by
3.4% and will raise taxes from
maintenance and

1112
01:08:29,657 --> 01:08:34,000
operations on a $100,000 home. What
this is doing is it's, it's not
necessarily

1113
01:08:34,067 --> 01:08:41,067
a $100,000 home. This is the wording,
um, that the the state legislature
chose

1114
01:08:41,657 --> 01:08:45,437
to be used, but it's on each $100,000
portion of that taxable value. So our

1115
01:08:46,867 --> 01:08:53,650
total taxable value decreased,
therefore we have fewer $100,000
portions on which

1116
01:08:53,717 --> 01:09:00,717
to levy a tax. And so if you want to
go back to the previous slide here.
So our

1117
01:09:00,867 --> 01:09:05,530
total taxable value, um, that top
green line in 2025, uh, 2.75 million.
The 2026

1118
01:09:05,597 --> 01:09:12,597
adjusted taxable value, and I know
Val talked about this before, um, but
sometimes

1119
01:09:13,617 --> 01:09:20,440
I think it's good for people to hear,
you know, the same thing from two
different

1120
01:09:20,507 --> 01:09:27,507
people, maybe one of us will make
sense. Um, the 2026 adjusted taxable
value is

1121
01:09:29,647 --> 01:09:36,010
the same properties as at 2025
taxable value. So the same
properties, there you

1122
01:09:36,077 --> 01:09:43,077
go. Um, the same properties reduced
in value by 114 million. So when that
happens,

1123
01:09:45,777 --> 01:09:52,777
in order for the city to collect the
same dollars from the same pockets,
that's how

1124
01:09:57,417 --> 01:10:01,106
the no new revenue rate increases.
And then we get the 2026 total
taxable value,

1125
01:10:01,173 --> 01:10:04,556
city that is growing to realize new
dollars

1126
01:10:04,623 --> 01:10:08,006
while the same pockets from the same
year or from the previous year, um

1127
01:10:08,073 --> 01:10:10,626
are having a reduced tax burden.

1128
01:10:10,693 --> 01:10:13,286
Um, or or the equal tax burden.

1129
01:10:13,353 --> 01:10:16,013
So if you want to scroll down a
little bit here, Val.

1130
01:10:16,713 --> 01:10:19,526
Um, so what I want to point out here
so you see that first box

1131
01:10:19,593 --> 01:10:22,186
where it says current year tax rate.

1132
01:10:22,253 --> 01:10:24,576
So that's fiscal year 2026.

1133
01:10:24,643 --> 01:10:28,876
Um, you can see the total levy
between the debt service and the M&O.

1134
01:10:28,943 --> 01:10:32,106
Uh, debt service, that is the portion
of your property tax bill

1135
01:10:32,173 --> 01:10:34,906
that goes to uh to paying debts.

1136
01:10:34,973 --> 01:10:40,036
So when we have road bonds, we have
construction bonds, whatever um
bonds,

1137
01:10:40,103 --> 01:10:42,906
you know, to uh, you know, build a
water treatment facility or,

1138
01:10:42,973 --> 01:10:44,866
you know, what have you.

1139
01:10:44,933 --> 01:10:47,506
Um, things like that come out of the
debt service.

1140
01:10:47,573 --> 01:10:52,036
And so your total property tax rate
is actually split into two.

1141
01:10:52,103 --> 01:10:54,586
So maintenance and operation, that is
for day-to-day operations.

1142
01:10:54,653 --> 01:11:00,086
So that's police, fire, roads, uh,
keeping City Hall standing, right?

1143
01:11:00,153 --> 01:11:02,996
That's that's what all comes out of
maintenance and operations.

1144
01:11:03,063 --> 01:11:06,516
And so those two rates come together
for your total tax rate.

1145
01:11:06,583 --> 01:11:11,056
And so the total levy for 2020, for
fiscal year 2026,

1146
01:11:11,123 --> 01:11:16,456
uh was 13.8 million, so that's 13
million 883. Yes.

1147
01:11:16,523 --> 01:11:20,106
So, if you look at the uh, the no-new
revenue rate and the proposed rate,

1148
01:11:20,173 --> 01:11:23,493
so box uh two and box three.

1149
01:11:23,573 --> 01:11:26,906
Um, the total levy for the no-new
revenue rate, that is going off of

1150
01:11:26,973 --> 01:11:29,286
the 2026 adjusted total.

1151
01:11:29,353 --> 01:11:33,426
So that's the total levy on the same
properties from the year before.

1152
01:11:33,493 --> 01:11:37,276
Um, and so that that's where I say
same same pocket, same dollars.

1153
01:11:37,343 --> 01:11:43,226
So that amount uh went down by a
$115,085.

1154
01:11:43,293 --> 01:11:45,376
If you look at the top right where it
says rate,

1155
01:11:45,443 --> 01:11:48,436
Um that $115,085 is the difference

1156
01:11:48,503 --> 01:11:53,126
between the current year total levy
and the no-new revenue rate total
levy.

1157
01:11:53,193 --> 01:11:55,776
So when you pass the no-new revenue
rate,

1158
01:11:55,843 --> 01:11:59,106
it is it is mathematically within,
you know, a margin of error

1159
01:11:59,173 --> 01:12:02,176
of being the same dollars.

1160
01:12:02,243 --> 01:12:07,696
Um and so where the the increase in
dollars to the city is coming from,

1161
01:12:07,763 --> 01:12:10,706
is when you look at the proposed rate
at total value,

1162
01:12:10,773 --> 01:12:12,186
um that's the bottom box here.

1163
01:12:12,253 --> 01:12:16,636
So, as you can see, the the rate
we're adopting is the no-new revenue
rate.

1164
01:12:16,703 --> 01:12:20,166
Um, when you take in the proposed
rate at total value,

1165
01:12:20,233 --> 01:12:23,106
that is now including the new
development, new houses,

1166
01:12:23,173 --> 01:12:25,056
new companies, what have you.

1167
01:12:25,123 --> 01:12:28,606
And so by adding in those new
dollars,

1168
01:12:28,673 --> 01:12:33,846
um, you can see in the the bottom
right, uh $275,500.

1169
01:12:33,913 --> 01:12:38,576
So that is $275,000 from new
development that's getting added.

1170
01:12:38,643 --> 01:12:43,606
So you subtract 115,000, you add
275,000.

1171
01:12:43,673 --> 01:12:49,453
So it's a net gain of what is that?
160, 165, something like that.

1172
01:12:49,543 --> 01:12:52,406
So, because of how the no-new revenue
rate works and how the new
development

1173
01:12:52,473 --> 01:12:54,026
works,

1174
01:12:54,093 --> 01:12:58,223
you actually bring in more dollars
than the previous year.

1175
01:12:58,343 --> 01:13:01,706
Um, and then because of that no-new
revenue rate going up but collecting

1176
01:13:01,773 --> 01:13:04,456
the same dollars from the same
pockets,

1177
01:13:04,523 --> 01:13:07,596
um because all of the appraised value
came down,

1178
01:13:07,663 --> 01:13:09,896
that's where you get the tax rate
going up.

1179
01:13:09,963 --> 01:13:13,896
And so in all of the state mandated
reporting,

1180
01:13:13,963 --> 01:13:15,726
that's what we have to say.

1181
01:13:15,793 --> 01:13:18,406
So it's this is not meant to be, you
know, trying to, you know, weasel

1182
01:13:18,473 --> 01:13:21,086
our way out of whatever it is that
we're doing, right?

1183
01:13:21,153 --> 01:13:24,306
This is to try and help you explain
help you understand how the system

1184
01:13:24,373 --> 01:13:27,686
works because in, you know, what I've
always told people

1185
01:13:27,753 --> 01:13:31,396
when I do my property tax education
events whatever,

1186
01:13:31,463 --> 01:13:34,346
is that the property tax system to me
is intentionally broken.

1187
01:13:34,413 --> 01:13:37,856
Um, it's meant to be something that's
very difficult to understand.

1188
01:13:37,923 --> 01:13:40,406
And as you can see from here, like it
it it takes a minute

1189
01:13:40,473 --> 01:13:42,803
to get used to it.

1190
01:13:43,503 --> 01:13:48,116
So, um, when we read these things,
uh, remember that it's it's not
saying,

1191
01:13:48,183 --> 01:13:50,816
you know, we have to say $100,000
home.

1192
01:13:50,883 --> 01:13:54,106
in all of these disclosures, but what
it really means is $100,000

1193
01:13:54,173 --> 01:13:57,676
portions of the total taxable value.

1194
01:13:57,743 --> 01:14:01,106
And when there are less of those
$100,000 portions, that's what makes

1195
01:14:01,173 --> 01:14:02,916
the no-new revenue rate go up.

1196
01:14:02,983 --> 01:14:07,096
So that when the city levies taxes on
the city as a whole,

1197
01:14:07,163 --> 01:14:10,106
the city is gaining the same dollars
from the same pockets and then
gaining

1198
01:14:10,173 --> 01:14:13,386
new dollars from new pockets.

1199
01:14:13,453 --> 01:14:16,646
So I wanted to make sure that
everyone understood how this worked.

1200
01:14:16,713 --> 01:14:19,906
Because it it is true that the city
is gaining more tax dollars from

1201
01:14:19,973 --> 01:14:22,156
property taxes.

1202
01:14:22,223 --> 01:14:26,696
It is also true that those dollars
are coming from new development

1203
01:14:26,763 --> 01:14:30,106
and they are not necessarily coming
um from existing uh residents,

1204
01:14:30,173 --> 01:14:33,303
businesses, what have you.

1205
01:14:33,503 --> 01:14:36,446
And so one of the other common
misconceptions

1206
01:14:36,513 --> 01:14:38,806
um is is people tend to think that,
you know, oh, the city's raising my

1207
01:14:38,873 --> 01:14:40,706
property taxes or,

1208
01:14:40,773 --> 01:14:42,796
oh, you know, they cut my neighbors,
why did they raise mine?

1209
01:14:42,863 --> 01:14:46,006
is that the city cannot decide um

1210
01:14:46,073 --> 01:14:47,906
I'm raising that one, I'm cutting
that one.

1211
01:14:47,973 --> 01:14:53,666
Whatever that total value is, is what
what the city has to work with.

1212
01:14:53,733 --> 01:14:59,436
And so under the no-new revenue rate,
some properties can see an increase.

1213
01:14:59,503 --> 01:15:01,460
Some properties can

1214
01:15:01,527 --> 01:15:03,027
see a decrease. And so

1215
01:15:03,307 --> 01:15:06,110
we are not able to control uh

1216
01:15:06,177 --> 01:15:09,680
what property sees what increase or
decrease with the no new revenue
rate.

1217
01:15:09,747 --> 01:15:14,250
We're just saying that the city
taxable value as a whole is going to
collect

1218
01:15:14,317 --> 01:15:18,030
the same dollars from the same
pockets as the year before and then
gain that

1219
01:15:18,097 --> 01:15:21,657
new value from the new development.

1220
01:15:21,827 --> 01:15:25,630
Um, so I wanted to make sure we took
a minute to try and understand some
of this.

1221
01:15:25,697 --> 01:15:27,480
I know it's complicated.

1222
01:15:27,547 --> 01:15:30,667
Um, I know some of it might not make
sense.

1223
01:15:30,737 --> 01:15:34,340
Um, but I wanted to do my best to try
and explain that to everybody so that

1224
01:15:34,407 --> 01:15:38,307
when you see all of this, um
hopefully it makes a little bit more
sense.

1225
01:15:39,427 --> 01:15:41,537
That's your budget. Thanks, Chris.

1226
01:15:42,187 --> 01:15:46,057
Anything else, any input or questions
from the council?

1227
01:15:46,517 --> 01:15:47,610
From the audience?

1228
01:15:47,677 --> 01:15:51,330
Just my only input is I know, you
know,

1229
01:15:51,397 --> 01:15:55,810
some of us some are going to fill it,

1230
01:15:55,877 --> 01:15:59,840
Um, especially our low economic
income families.

1231
01:15:59,907 --> 01:16:04,080
And so my only input is that as a
council, as a city, like we have to
make

1232
01:16:04,147 --> 01:16:09,910
sure and I understand the whole no
new revenue Act, uh but

1233
01:16:09,977 --> 01:16:15,050
we have got to make sure that we have
some type of security for our
citizens

1234
01:16:15,117 --> 01:16:18,610
to provide better jobs, um and
services so they can afford,

1235
01:16:18,677 --> 01:16:22,950
you know, when we have to raise our
taxes, like they can afford it.

1236
01:16:23,017 --> 01:16:26,470
Because we're hurting, like this
economy is hurting our citizens.

1237
01:16:26,537 --> 01:16:31,360
And uh we got to make sure that our
families can have some great paying
jobs,

1238
01:16:31,427 --> 01:16:35,490
we got to create some some great jobs
for them to be able to afford it
because

1239
01:16:35,557 --> 01:16:39,850
we don't want them to leave and go
somewhere else and pay taxes in
another city.

1240
01:16:39,917 --> 01:16:40,840
We want to keep them here.

1241
01:16:40,907 --> 01:16:44,030
So we got to do our good diligence to
make sure that

1242
01:16:44,097 --> 01:16:47,440
when we raise it, that we take care
of them.

1243
01:16:47,507 --> 01:16:50,007
And that's just where I'm going to
leave it.

1244
01:16:53,337 --> 01:16:54,670
Anyone else?

1245
01:16:55,477 --> 01:16:59,157
Miss Rossom, would you read the
caption for 6D?

1246
01:16:59,537 --> 01:17:03,640
Receive public input regarding a
proposed amendment to chapter 13,

1247
01:17:03,707 --> 01:17:07,770
entitled municipal fees of the city
Code of Ordinances to provide
changes,

1248
01:17:07,837 --> 01:17:12,547
additions, and deletions of certain
fees.

1249
01:17:12,647 --> 01:17:13,980
Mr. Rich.

1250
01:17:15,077 --> 01:17:18,200
So, I guess I drew picked pulled the
uh short straw on this one, so I'm

1251
01:17:18,267 --> 01:17:23,137
presenting the chapter 13 municipal
fees update for our new fiscal year.

1252
01:17:24,157 --> 01:17:27,640
So, as presented in the agenda
packet, these are just the portions
that we

1253
01:17:27,707 --> 01:17:30,277
are adjusting.

1254
01:17:30,577 --> 01:17:33,870
Um, on the administrative side, we're
raising our returned check fee

1255
01:17:33,937 --> 01:17:36,970
from $25 to $35.

1256
01:17:37,037 --> 01:17:40,830
A lot of these one-off fees outside
of the utility rates is going to be

1257
01:17:40,897 --> 01:17:44,460
attached to kind of punitive
measures.

1258
01:17:44,527 --> 01:17:48,590
Our utility billing and other
services are seeing a lot of people
bounce checks,

1259
01:17:48,657 --> 01:17:53,230
uh have ACH's get withdrawn and all
of

1260
01:17:53,297 --> 01:17:57,200
this adds fees to us that we have to
pay

1261
01:17:57,267 --> 01:18:00,510
on top of fees you have to pay as an
individual.

1262
01:18:00,577 --> 01:18:03,530
And so we want to try to reduce that,
I know that's the word out of our

1263
01:18:03,597 --> 01:18:06,270
utility billing department and so
we're adjusting these to hopefully
try to

1264
01:18:06,337 --> 01:18:10,117
curtail some of those delinquent
payments.

1265
01:18:10,677 --> 01:18:12,970
Uh, we thought it was redundant to
have this stop payment fee,

1266
01:18:13,037 --> 01:18:15,467
so looking to delete that.

1267
01:18:15,817 --> 01:18:19,710
Uh beer and wine fees, this is
something that the state changed, we
can no longer

1268
01:18:19,777 --> 01:18:23,410
assess those at the local level, it's
entirely handled at the state level.

1269
01:18:23,477 --> 01:18:26,480
Uh so we just want to go ahead and
clean those up off of our fee
schedule.

1270
01:18:26,547 --> 01:18:31,117
We haven't been assessing those at
all, but there's no reason to even
have them on there.

1271
01:18:33,177 --> 01:18:37,560
As mentioned our utilities, water and
wastewater from that rate study, we
found

1272
01:18:37,627 --> 01:18:42,000
that we do need at least a 9% both
water and wastewater in order to keep
us

1273
01:18:42,067 --> 01:18:45,970
uh even with our operating expense
and fighting against the inflation

1274
01:18:46,037 --> 01:18:49,580
that we've seen.

1275
01:18:49,647 --> 01:18:54,740
Uh and so the city is not unfamiliar
with the same burdens as the
citizens,

1276
01:18:54,807 --> 01:19:01,007
gas increases, so do our costs to get
the materials and chemicals to our
facilities.

1277
01:19:01,077 --> 01:19:05,530
And so as well as getting the cruise
in order to fix our infrastructure.

1278
01:19:05,597 --> 01:19:09,220
And so this is all to kind of address
that and dig us out of that hole.

1279
01:19:09,287 --> 01:19:12,160
And so what we'll see here from all
the way across the board is a 9%
increase

1280
01:19:12,227 --> 01:19:15,087
both water and wastewater.

1281
01:19:15,217 --> 01:19:18,027
Here are the residential rates and
their increases.

1282
01:19:18,687 --> 01:19:19,700
Hey, Val.

1283
01:19:19,767 --> 01:19:20,600
Yes.

1284
01:19:20,667 --> 01:19:25,250
Um, I was under the impression that
the impression that the stuff from
the rate study was not going

1285
01:19:25,317 --> 01:19:29,157
to be considered yet, that we were
going back to the drawing board on
that.

1286
01:19:29,647 --> 01:19:33,890
The rate increase is separate from
the construction or the CIP fee that
was

1287
01:19:33,957 --> 01:19:37,280
what he was presenting that was
adding like the $11 or the two

1288
01:19:37,347 --> 01:19:40,527
adjusting and flat rate.

1289
01:19:40,747 --> 01:19:44,320
Uh, so this is kind of the at minimum
what we need and we'll kind of look
at

1290
01:19:44,387 --> 01:19:48,230
a slide after this that kind of shows
this that kind of shows this rate
adjustment gets us out of a hole.

1291
01:19:48,297 --> 01:19:53,017
right now we're bleeding about $1.2
million at our current rates.

1292
01:19:53,397 --> 01:19:56,560
Uh and so we've kind of held off on
really adjusting rates because of the

1293
01:19:56,627 --> 01:20:00,540
50 cent increase the last two years.

1294
01:20:00,607 --> 01:20:01,668
But the rate study

1295
01:20:01,735 --> 01:20:05,125
point where we are woefully
insufficient in our rates.

1296
01:20:06,155 --> 01:20:10,008
Uh and so that's what this presents
is just enough to get us out of that
hole,

1297
01:20:10,075 --> 01:20:13,198
uh and back to uh kind of positive
ground.

1298
01:20:13,265 --> 01:20:15,778
Now the construction progress piece
has presented

1299
01:20:15,845 --> 01:20:17,178
and that was

1300
01:20:20,975 --> 01:20:23,698
what we need to make sure is
equitable across the board,

1301
01:20:23,765 --> 01:20:27,638
that the industry is paying a more
fair share for their usage and things
like that.

1302
01:20:27,705 --> 01:20:32,805
That is a piece that we have
postponed. There is no impact to this
year related to that.

1303
01:20:33,735 --> 01:20:37,855
Okay, because I, I was under the
impression that was all connected.

1304
01:20:38,075 --> 01:20:39,408
Um.

1305
01:20:40,505 --> 01:20:43,948
Yeah, I I thought that we were taking
the whole thing back to the drawing
board.

1306
01:20:44,015 --> 01:20:49,385
not that we were just gonna go ahead
with one piece of it and then come
back and talk about another piece.

1307
01:20:49,845 --> 01:20:52,398
And that's fine for us to discuss. I
just wanted to let you know that

1308
01:20:52,465 --> 01:20:56,505
this piece is a separate issue
completely from

1309
01:20:57,125 --> 01:20:58,788
going back to the drawing board.

1310
01:20:58,855 --> 01:21:02,395
Our existing rates already
differentiate from one class to
another.

1311
01:21:02,885 --> 01:21:06,295
Um, this is just a uniform across the
board, raise,

1312
01:21:08,645 --> 01:21:11,048
in order to address, like I said, the
the revenue deficit.

1313
01:21:11,115 --> 01:21:13,245
we're just not seeing any growth

1314
01:21:13,735 --> 01:21:16,988
uh on the utility side and expenses
are continuing to increase.

1315
01:21:17,055 --> 01:21:20,938
And so if we continue with our
current progress of postponing

1316
01:21:21,005 --> 01:21:22,908
or only adjusting water rates,

1317
01:21:22,975 --> 01:21:26,485
uh it's going to continue to
hemorrhage until it can't support
itself.

1318
01:21:28,305 --> 01:21:32,508
Uh, some other punitive changes,
tampering and damage to broken lock.

1319
01:21:32,575 --> 01:21:36,305
Uh, cutoff list, trip charge, service
transfer fee.

1320
01:21:36,945 --> 01:21:39,208
Uh, and then a little bit of
adjustment on the sanitation side.

1321
01:21:39,275 --> 01:21:42,928
So refuse hauling, a 50 cent increase
there.

1322
01:21:42,995 --> 01:21:45,808
Um, and then residential monthly rate
or business rate,

1323
01:21:45,875 --> 01:21:48,745
another 50 cent or 55 cent increase
there.

1324
01:21:48,845 --> 01:21:51,558
uh to kind of close the gap in the
increased charges from Republic

1325
01:21:51,625 --> 01:21:53,855
for managing that contract.

1326
01:21:55,635 --> 01:21:58,538
Uh, this should be familiar, but this
does show exactly what

1327
01:21:58,605 --> 01:22:01,768
uh this increase does.

1328
01:22:01,835 --> 01:22:05,018
And so the proposed stepped increase
did not include that CIP

1329
01:22:05,085 --> 01:22:08,578
during the work session that
presented this information.

1330
01:22:08,645 --> 01:22:11,988
This is just the 9% increase that we
need in order to stop hemorraging

1331
01:22:12,055 --> 01:22:15,795
our fund.

1332
01:22:15,905 --> 01:22:18,858
Um, and so it takes us from the 7660,
which is the current average

1333
01:22:18,925 --> 01:22:21,548
bill for 5,000 gallons a month,

1334
01:22:21,615 --> 01:22:24,965
up to 8350 is what this does.

1335
01:22:25,675 --> 01:22:29,478
Uh, that 9523 way up there, that's
the proposed level that levels out

1336
01:22:29,545 --> 01:22:33,228
that CIP and includes it in this
current fiscal year.

1337
01:22:33,295 --> 01:22:35,498
Again, the step plan had no CIP,

1338
01:22:35,565 --> 01:22:37,668
we're taking that back to the drawing
board and making sure that's
equitable

1339
01:22:37,735 --> 01:22:39,615
and something well discussed.

1340
01:22:39,765 --> 01:22:42,005
Uh, this is just the 9%.

1341
01:22:46,845 --> 01:22:48,838
And if this is something that needs
more discussion,

1342
01:22:48,905 --> 01:22:50,678
that's we can do that as well,

1343
01:22:50,745 --> 01:22:53,458
but we do have a limitation here
that, you know,

1344
01:22:53,525 --> 01:22:56,808
deferring revenue increases continues
to put us in a hole

1345
01:22:56,875 --> 01:23:03,335
and then postpones that increasing
further revenue needs in the future.

1346
01:23:04,015 --> 01:23:09,425
So 9% today turns into a 10, 12% six
months to a year from now.

1347
01:23:10,855 --> 01:23:13,668
I, if I was a resident and I was
looking at this,

1348
01:23:13,735 --> 01:23:15,495
I would be highly upset.

1349
01:23:15,875 --> 01:23:20,435
to know that if I'm a resident and I
want to get my water cut on,

1350
01:23:20,975 --> 01:23:23,498
I'm going to be paying the same
amount as a an industrial that

1351
01:23:23,565 --> 01:23:26,988
is making millions of dollars.

1352
01:23:27,055 --> 01:23:30,545
Like to me, that doesn't look like we
are helping.

1353
01:23:31,205 --> 01:23:33,428
And correct me if I am wrong, but if
I am a citizen

1354
01:23:33,495 --> 01:23:35,465
and I'm looking at this,

1355
01:23:36,015 --> 01:23:37,268
I would be upset.

1356
01:23:37,335 --> 01:23:40,175
Because I'm paying the same amount as

1357
01:23:41,025 --> 01:23:43,025
a factory that's coming in.

1358
01:23:45,535 --> 01:23:49,538
And so my, my take on it is I know we
in a rut,

1359
01:23:49,605 --> 01:23:52,828
but why not make the businesses that
are coming in,

1360
01:23:52,895 --> 01:23:57,088
the industrial businesses pay more
than our citizens

1361
01:23:57,155 --> 01:24:00,345
instead of them paying the same.

1362
01:24:00,955 --> 01:24:03,288
This is just the portions that are
changing.

1363
01:24:03,355 --> 01:24:06,068
The full schedule is in our code of
ordinances

1364
01:24:06,135 --> 01:24:08,675
and so that does have varying rates

1365
01:24:08,925 --> 01:24:11,388
for meter sizes and so if an industry
needs something bigger

1366
01:24:11,455 --> 01:24:12,638
than a residential user,

1367
01:24:12,705 --> 01:24:15,388
they're paying sufficiently more
equitable amount for that

1368
01:24:15,455 --> 01:24:18,495
to get their service initiated.

1369
01:24:18,815 --> 01:24:23,048
Uh, once it is initiated, then these
are the the rates.

1370
01:24:23,115 --> 01:24:26,605
Yeah, I'm talking about the deposit.
Like even to get my water cut on,

1371
01:24:27,195 --> 01:24:30,485
the residential's paying 250, the
industrial's paying 250.

1372
01:24:30,585 --> 01:24:33,018
Like to me, it would be, it, it will
make sense if

1373
01:24:33,085 --> 01:24:36,515
to charge them more than you're
charging a resident.

1374
01:24:37,045 --> 01:24:40,188
That's where the deposits, that is
just to initiate the water.

1375
01:24:40,255 --> 01:24:44,955
Uh, those have mostly been adjusted
in accordance to what delinquent
bills.

1376
01:24:45,535 --> 01:24:48,808
Uh, and so the 150 is if someone is
delinquent and fails to pay

1377
01:24:48,875 --> 01:24:50,668
their bill, fails to inform us that
they need to close out

1378
01:24:50,735 --> 01:24:53,535
their account and settle with us.

1379
01:24:53,925 --> 01:24:56,548
Then that 150 is the average that
utility billing has calculated

1380
01:24:56,615 --> 01:24:59,665
for those accounts.

1381
01:25:00,045 --> 01:25:01,405
Uh, the 250 is

1382
01:25:01,687 --> 01:25:04,407
is the average for those accounts.

1383
01:25:05,007 --> 01:25:10,570
the purpose of the of the deposit is
to ensure that the person

1384
01:25:10,637 --> 01:25:13,400
is paying their bill. If if the
person doesn't pay their bill,

1385
01:25:13,467 --> 01:25:15,807
that means all the other customers
are going to have

1386
01:25:15,877 --> 01:25:17,200
to pay more themselves. I I get that.

1387
01:25:17,267 --> 01:25:23,507
Um, I'm I'm just looking at even like
a deposit to get your water

1388
01:25:24,357 --> 01:25:29,777
cut on, the citizens are paying the
same as a million dollar

1389
01:25:30,747 --> 01:25:33,857
industry that's coming in. I'm gonna
say they have a

1390
01:25:33,924 --> 01:25:34,757
different size meter. Well, the note
on

1391
01:25:34,824 --> 01:25:36,920
the deposit, they paying the same for
the deposit.

1392
01:25:36,987 --> 01:25:40,580
The note on the deposit is that
that's not revenue coming into us,

1393
01:25:40,647 --> 01:25:42,620
that's just money you sitting
holding.

1394
01:25:42,687 --> 01:25:44,650
Once you close your account, you get
your deposit back.

1395
01:25:44,717 --> 01:25:48,870
So while we are holding on to it in
the meantime for your service

1396
01:25:48,937 --> 01:25:54,010
to get cut on, that is not the total
cost of having your service

1397
01:25:54,077 --> 01:25:58,110
turned on and use of your service.
That's just a deposit that we sit

1398
01:25:58,177 --> 01:26:02,340
on to avoid other users of the system
from having to pay delinquent

1399
01:26:02,407 --> 01:26:05,447
fees and bills and stuff like that
for water theft.

1400
01:26:11,537 --> 01:26:18,537
Val, can you talk to me about the um
the property tax revenue

1401
01:26:18,997 --> 01:26:20,830
increase from new construction

1402
01:26:20,897 --> 01:26:27,897
uh in this budget. And then did you
say a while ago that there's not

1403
01:26:28,567 --> 01:26:35,330
an increase in utility revenue? As
presented in our budget, the

1404
01:26:35,397 --> 01:26:38,797
revenue there is very flat and that
was confirmed by the rate study

1405
01:26:40,627 --> 01:26:41,800
as well. Can you talk about that
discrepancy, help me understand that?

1406
01:26:41,867 --> 01:26:48,867
Well, I mean, if if we're getting new
property tax revenue from new

1407
01:26:49,367 --> 01:26:56,160
growth, somebody's building a
building, they're turning on some

1408
01:26:56,227 --> 01:27:02,687
water. Um, some of that is maybe
they're an existence and so they've

1409
01:27:03,207 --> 01:27:07,500
been renting, now they've bought a
house, their usage is consistent

1410
01:27:07,567 --> 01:27:11,470
from one location to another
location, uh, could be businesses,

1411
01:27:11,537 --> 01:27:17,380
industries, commercial properties as
they're growing out there along

1412
01:27:17,447 --> 01:27:19,487
31, don't typically use as much water
as like an industry or a

1413
01:27:25,967 --> 01:27:30,500
resident, uh, especially if it's like
a shopping facility, hotel

1414
01:27:30,567 --> 01:27:35,240
lobby, academy, there's just not a
whole lot of water usage there.

1415
01:27:35,307 --> 01:27:37,300
So the correlation from new growth as
far as that's concerned could

1416
01:27:37,367 --> 01:27:40,350
just be additional a few additional
businesses, it could be values

1417
01:27:40,417 --> 01:27:45,540
of houses improving, um, uh things
like that. And so that's

1418
01:27:45,607 --> 01:27:46,760
where property tax could increase, it
may not necessarily be more

1419
01:27:46,827 --> 01:27:51,330
residents, more properties, it could
just be more value in the

1420
01:27:51,397 --> 01:27:53,537
existing properties. And so it
doesn't necessarily correlate to a

1421
01:27:54,397 --> 01:27:58,090
population growth, more people using
more water. Okay. Thank you.

1422
01:27:58,157 --> 01:28:02,890
Uh, another side of that is also
usage and so the last several years

1423
01:28:02,957 --> 01:28:06,800
have been pretty wet, cooler summers
and so that can add to that and skew

1424
01:28:06,867 --> 01:28:10,420
some of our results. And so that's, I
know like last year was a very

1425
01:28:10,487 --> 01:28:15,360
wet summer, a lot of rain, a lot of
water usage decreased from that.

1426
01:28:15,427 --> 01:28:18,497
And so we're just not seeing uh a
history that supports continuing

1427
01:28:20,107 --> 01:28:25,290
to increase revenue or that revenue
will increase. Like we've talked

1428
01:28:25,357 --> 01:28:28,280
about before, the water to produce a
gallon of water costs more and

1429
01:28:28,347 --> 01:28:34,000
more every year. And when you defer
the rate increased to correspond

1430
01:28:34,067 --> 01:28:37,640
with the increasing costs, it just
means it's going to build up for

1431
01:28:37,707 --> 01:28:41,930
higher rates later. So it's I think
it's important to make adjustments

1432
01:28:41,997 --> 01:28:43,420
in the rates so that you have smaller
increases in the future.

1433
01:28:43,487 --> 01:28:47,580
For example, if you look at the
projection here, this 9% has followed

1434
01:28:47,647 --> 01:28:51,787
in year two, three, four with just
three and 4% increases.

1435
01:28:51,887 --> 01:28:54,407
Smaller, uh, smaller amounts.

1436
01:28:54,817 --> 01:29:01,747
But uh, the city like the citizens
out here are being impacted by the

1437
01:29:01,827 --> 01:29:05,660
the rising rising costs. Whether it's
gasoline, whether it's chemicals,

1438
01:29:05,727 --> 01:29:10,887
whether it's the variety of things in
producing a gallon of water,

1439
01:29:11,077 --> 01:29:13,350
electricity, etcetera, etcetera.
Well, that cost has to be met

1440
01:29:13,417 --> 01:29:18,337
and the only way to meet that cost is
in fact to adjust the rates.

1441
01:29:19,267 --> 01:29:24,290
Yeah, my question wasn't about um
increased cost in producing a gallon.

1442
01:29:24,357 --> 01:29:30,590
It was clarification on the fact that
in property taxes we project

1443
01:29:30,657 --> 01:29:36,350
an increase in revenue, and yet
utility stays flat.

1444
01:29:36,417 --> 01:29:38,410
That makes that didn't make sense to
me.

1445
01:29:38,477 --> 01:29:43,680
Well, it doesn't make sense if in
fact those businesses really didn't

1446
01:29:43,747 --> 01:29:47,510
have anything more than a restroom.
Well, and the utility stuff, that's

1447
01:29:47,577 --> 01:29:49,870
an enterprise fund. Yes. And so
that's going to be different than

1448
01:29:49,937 --> 01:29:53,130
property taxes. Now, I guess the
thing I thought about when he asked

1449
01:29:53,197 --> 01:29:58,590
that, Val, so did this budget, did
you budget with the existing rates

1450
01:29:58,657 --> 01:29:59,780
or with these proposed rates? I
budget with the existing rates.

1451
01:29:59,847 --> 01:30:01,517
And so we have a very

1452
01:30:02,113 --> 01:30:05,656
conservative budget, both revenue
side as well as expenditure side.

1453
01:30:05,723 --> 01:30:07,976
but I mean, we have to have the
chemicals we need to

1454
01:30:08,043 --> 01:30:09,946
produce the water we're using.

1455
01:30:10,013 --> 01:30:12,976
And so there's always a risk that
even our conservative budget and

1456
01:30:13,043 --> 01:30:17,176
conservative revenue rates are going
to be insufficient depending on,

1457
01:30:17,243 --> 01:30:20,973
you know, inflation and the nature of
the world as it is.

1458
01:30:21,133 --> 01:30:24,376
Uh, this 9% does address that in an
aggressive way.

1459
01:30:24,443 --> 01:30:26,106
The first year.

1460
01:30:26,173 --> 01:30:30,276
And so again, you know, if 9% is too
much uh, in one year,

1461
01:30:30,343 --> 01:30:31,766
it does adjust

1462
01:30:31,833 --> 01:30:35,376
to where next year instead of a 2 to
3% fighting inflation,

1463
01:30:35,443 --> 01:30:38,086
you know, we can stagger this out a
little bit.

1464
01:30:38,153 --> 01:30:40,376
And so I did want to put this in
front of the council for

1465
01:30:40,443 --> 01:30:43,006
conversation, communication, uh,

1466
01:30:43,073 --> 01:30:47,376
with hope that, you know, we can come
to some agreements and

1467
01:30:47,443 --> 01:30:49,176
represent this maybe in the next one,

1468
01:30:49,243 --> 01:30:51,963
uh, with a better plan that is more
digestible.

1469
01:30:56,913 --> 01:30:59,343
Anything else, council?

1470
01:31:00,113 --> 01:31:02,163
Anything from the audience?

1471
01:31:02,353 --> 01:31:03,686
Oh, mirror, I did have something.

1472
01:31:03,753 --> 01:31:09,556
Um, Val, the other thing I saw in
here, um, that I I did not

1473
01:31:09,623 --> 01:31:12,476
know that, um, we were talking about
till I saw the agenda,

1474
01:31:12,543 --> 01:31:15,376
um, on the sanitation for the, uh,
for the residential

1475
01:31:15,443 --> 01:31:17,826
and the business monthly rates.

1476
01:31:17,893 --> 01:31:21,506
Um, that there's an increase on that
as well.

1477
01:31:21,573 --> 01:31:26,756
And uh, that is that is not something
I recall that we talked about at all.

1478
01:31:26,823 --> 01:31:31,226
So the rate study was just for the
water side of things.

1479
01:31:31,293 --> 01:31:34,476
Uh, sanitation was not included in
that. We're going to do a

1480
01:31:34,543 --> 01:31:37,676
separate sanitation rate study this
fiscal year,

1481
01:31:37,743 --> 01:31:41,126
um, now that the utility side's done.

1482
01:31:41,193 --> 01:31:42,976
Now, that's going to be primarily

1483
01:31:43,043 --> 01:31:45,476
on like going and doing the refuse
hauling out at the landfill.

1484
01:31:45,543 --> 01:31:47,406
Making sure we're comparable on rates
there.

1485
01:31:47,473 --> 01:31:50,376
The residential and business monthly
rates here, this is for our contract.

1486
01:31:50,443 --> 01:31:53,176
With Republic. And so they continue
to increase their annual costs

1487
01:31:53,243 --> 01:31:55,076
they charge the city.

1488
01:31:55,143 --> 01:31:58,376
And so we're getting to where we're
upside down by about $2

1489
01:31:58,443 --> 01:32:01,686
per resident on that contract.

1490
01:32:01,753 --> 01:32:05,376
So our utility rates are have not our
our sanitation fund

1491
01:32:05,443 --> 01:32:07,396
is having to kind of eat those costs.

1492
01:32:07,463 --> 01:32:09,976
And so this is a a step to kind of
close that gap

1493
01:32:10,043 --> 01:32:13,446
between what Republic charges us and
what we charge the citizens.

1494
01:32:13,513 --> 01:32:14,376
Okay.

1495
01:32:14,443 --> 01:32:18,176
Um, that Republic contract, if I
remember right, um, we capped

1496
01:32:18,243 --> 01:32:22,146
their increases at no more than 4%
per year?

1497
01:32:22,213 --> 01:32:24,486
If I remember correctly?

1498
01:32:24,553 --> 01:32:25,386
Yes.

1499
01:32:25,453 --> 01:32:31,019
Okay. 4 to 5%. It may be tied to like
a um, consumer pricing index.

1500
01:32:31,086 --> 01:32:31,919
Okay.

1501
01:32:31,986 --> 01:32:34,342
Um, so yeah, I remember that's
probably been what,

1502
01:32:34,409 --> 01:32:36,802
two or three years ago now.

1503
01:32:36,869 --> 01:32:39,522
Um, how long is this current Republic
contract run?

1504
01:32:39,589 --> 01:32:41,842
That would be a better question

1505
01:32:41,909 --> 01:32:43,602
for our environmental service
director.

1506
01:32:43,669 --> 01:32:44,502
Okay.

1507
01:32:44,569 --> 01:32:45,975
And I mean, that's that's fine.

1508
01:32:46,042 --> 01:32:47,995
That's a that's a topic for another
time.

1509
01:32:48,062 --> 01:32:51,375
Um, yeah, my my thought would be
because I I see some of these

1510
01:32:51,442 --> 01:32:55,455
things that, um, I'm I'm not entirely
comfortable with yet.

1511
01:32:55,522 --> 01:32:58,975
I think maybe if we had a work
session, um, where we

1512
01:32:59,042 --> 01:33:02,675
could revisit the water side, uh, and
then maybe revisit

1513
01:33:02,742 --> 01:33:04,955
the sanitation side.

1514
01:33:05,022 --> 01:33:07,875
Because to me, um, what, you know, we
can talk about each

1515
01:33:07,942 --> 01:33:09,945
of these rates individually,

1516
01:33:10,012 --> 01:33:12,775
um, but what, I mean, what matters to
the end user is what are

1517
01:33:12,842 --> 01:33:17,145
all of the line items on my water
bill? What is the total thing add up
to?

1518
01:33:17,212 --> 01:33:19,875
Like, I don't care, you know, that
this this one went down 10 cents,

1519
01:33:19,942 --> 01:33:23,275
this one went up 10 cents, you know,
I care what is that final number

1520
01:33:23,342 --> 01:33:26,265
that I'm writing a check for, right?

1521
01:33:26,332 --> 01:33:29,475
Um, and so I I think it may be in our
best interest to look

1522
01:33:29,542 --> 01:33:33,275
at that and see how all of these
things together, um, are gonna

1523
01:33:33,342 --> 01:33:36,605
gonna impact that total bill.

1524
01:33:36,672 --> 01:33:40,075
Um, because that like that, I mean,
just yeah, the sanitation, that

1525
01:33:40,142 --> 01:33:42,975
that's one that I I didn't even know
about it until I saw

1526
01:33:43,042 --> 01:33:44,885
this agenda packet.

1527
01:33:44,952 --> 01:33:49,175
And uh, was from from my memory of
the Republic negotiations,

1528
01:33:49,242 --> 01:33:53,275
um, that was an increase that I I did
not expect that we were

1529
01:33:53,342 --> 01:33:56,535
going to have.

1530
01:33:56,602 --> 01:34:00,225
I don't believe we've adjusted that
rate for a few years now.

1531
01:34:00,292 --> 01:34:02,675
And so it's just kind of gotten to
where Republic's continuing

1532
01:34:02,742 --> 01:34:05,075
to increase theirs annually,

1533
01:34:05,142 --> 01:34:07,305
but we haven't matched that for what
we're assessing to the citizens.

1534
01:34:07,372 --> 01:34:10,455
Yeah. So that's why it's such a
substantial amount.

1535
01:34:10,522 --> 01:34:13,975
Um, I will say that on average, it's
probably going to be less

1536
01:34:14,042 --> 01:34:17,875
than $8 of an increase all all
considered.

1537
01:34:17,942 --> 01:34:21,575
The sanitation increase as well as
the rate increase for a bill

1538
01:34:21,642 --> 01:34:24,625
of about 5,000 gallons per month.

1539
01:34:24,692 --> 01:34:26,025
Okay.

1540
01:34:30,112 --> 01:34:35,902
Is there anything further? I'll
assume we move along to item 6E.

1541
01:34:38,372 --> 01:34:42,175
Receive public input regarding a
request for a zone change

1542
01:34:42,242 --> 01:34:45,375
from single family residential
district 3 to the light

1543
01:34:45,442 --> 01:34:49,075
industrial district for properties
located at block

1544
01:34:49,142 --> 01:34:52,475
1470, part of lot 5 and lot

1545
01:34:52,542 --> 01:34:56,175
6 through 14, block 1472,

1546
01:34:56,242 --> 01:35:02,535
lots 4 through 13 and 19 through 27.

1547
01:35:02,602 --> 01:35:09,075
block 1473, lot one, and the unplat-
unplated

1548
01:35:09,142 --> 01:35:14,885
property at blocks 1473 through 1475.

1549
01:35:14,952 --> 01:35:17,555
Also known as uh PIDs

1550
01:35:17,622 --> 01:35:21,775
27231, 27242,

1551
01:35:21,842 --> 01:35:26,765
34159, 34160,

1552
01:35:26,832 --> 01:35:32,002
51615 through 51617,

1553
01:35:32,422 --> 01:35:37,775
and 124265 being approximately 10.8
acres

1554
01:35:37,842 --> 01:35:40,655
off of G.W. Jackson Avenue and
including

1555
01:35:40,722 --> 01:35:46,282
2015 and 2017 G.W. Jackson Avenue.

1556
01:35:46,842 --> 01:35:48,845
Mr. Clayton Taylor, our city planning

1557
01:35:48,912 --> 01:35:50,792
and zoning manager.

1558
01:35:51,072 --> 01:35:52,712
Hello, good evening.

1559
01:35:52,912 --> 01:35:54,825
I apologize for the long title on
that.

1560
01:35:54,892 --> 01:35:58,682
Uh, trying to be very specific for
future reference.

1561
01:35:58,872 --> 01:36:01,355
So, uh, this is a zone change from
the existing

1562
01:36:01,422 --> 01:36:04,835
zoning of single family three

1563
01:36:04,902 --> 01:36:07,292
to light industrial or I1.

1564
01:36:08,052 --> 01:36:10,505
Uh, the applicant is requesting a
zone change

1565
01:36:10,572 --> 01:36:13,515
from the single family three
residential zoning district

1566
01:36:13,582 --> 01:36:15,315
to the light industrial zoning
district

1567
01:36:15,382 --> 01:36:16,705
to develop properties for parking.

1568
01:36:16,772 --> 01:36:18,925
It was also discussed that at some
point in the future

1569
01:36:18,992 --> 01:36:21,905
batch plants to supplement the
existing use at

1570
01:36:21,972 --> 01:36:24,582
Enterprise Precast are planned.

1571
01:36:24,822 --> 01:36:26,855
Uh, let's see if we have the
location.

1572
01:36:26,922 --> 01:36:28,905
So, uh, this is the location of the
properties.

1573
01:36:28,972 --> 01:36:31,905
Uh, it's a set of properties to the
west of uh,

1574
01:36:31,972 --> 01:36:34,605
Enterprise Precast.

1575
01:36:34,672 --> 01:36:38,102
off of Interstate 45 and G.W.
Jackson.

1576
01:36:38,912 --> 01:36:41,095
City staff have reviewed the
application and can

1577
01:36:41,162 --> 01:36:44,532
recommend a zone change to the I1
zoning district.

1578
01:36:44,982 --> 01:36:48,405
The initial request that was brought
to the Planning and Zoning Commission

1579
01:36:48,472 --> 01:36:51,315
on August 20th, 2026, was for a zone
change

1580
01:36:51,382 --> 01:36:54,445
to the heavy industrial or I2 zoning
district.

1581
01:36:54,512 --> 01:36:59,425
The Planning and Zoning Commission
recommended instead for a zone change
from R3 to I1,

1582
01:36:59,492 --> 01:37:04,135
due to the property's adjacency to a
city park, residential areas,

1583
01:37:04,202 --> 01:37:07,525
portions of the properties, uh, being
within the 100-year flood plain

1584
01:37:07,592 --> 01:37:12,492
and other permitted uses in the I2
zoning district.

1585
01:37:12,582 --> 01:37:14,462
not being appropriate for the area.

1586
01:37:14,862 --> 01:37:19,335
Uh, it's also stated that indoor
batch plants are able to be permitted
in the light industrial or I1

1587
01:37:19,402 --> 01:37:23,375
zoning district with a specific use
permit and will be required

1588
01:37:23,442 --> 01:37:26,395
before any batch plants are uh,
installed

1589
01:37:26,462 --> 01:37:31,575
or begin a project on these
properties.

1590
01:37:31,642 --> 01:37:33,375
Uh, and a parking lot is permitted

1591
01:37:33,442 --> 01:37:36,212
in the light industrial or I1 zoning
district.

1592
01:37:36,552 --> 01:37:39,485
Uh, a hydraulic study will be
required for all of the parcels
before development

1593
01:37:39,552 --> 01:37:44,085
is permitted due to its adjacency to
the flood plain.

1594
01:37:44,152 --> 01:37:47,382
Let me see if I can't have a picture
of that.

1595
01:37:47,552 --> 01:37:51,845
So these are the properties and
portions of them are in the flood
plain.

1596
01:37:51,912 --> 01:37:55,515
Uh, there are concerns that uh, any
in- uh,

1597
01:37:55,582 --> 01:38:00,962
installations on there and
development could have some impact to
it.

1598
01:38:01,122 --> 01:38:03,745
So we want uh, the city's requesting
a hydraulic study

1599
01:38:03,812 --> 01:38:07,072
before development's done to the
properties.

1600
01:38:07,902 --> 01:38:10,505
Staff have reviewed the application
and determined

1601
01:38:10,572 --> 01:38:12,465
that the property does meet the
requirement

1602
01:38:12,532 --> 01:38:14,795
for requesting a zone change.

1603
01:38:14,862 --> 01:38:17,465
Uh, the future land use shows this
property and the surrounding property

1604
01:38:17,532 --> 01:38:20,725
to be commercial center mixed
residential.

1605
01:38:20,792 --> 01:38:23,805
Uh, the definition of that is a
residential designation that
describes

1606
01:38:23,872 --> 01:38:26,525
the mixed residential fabric of
higher density

1607
01:38:26,592 --> 01:38:28,745
mixed use residential areas.

1608
01:38:28,812 --> 01:38:32,275
adjacent to major commercial nodes,
these areas are,

1609
01:38:32,342 --> 01:38:34,845
these are areas of new development
and land use

1610
01:38:34,912 --> 01:38:37,765
mix includes small lot single family,
attached single family

1611
01:38:37,832 --> 01:38:41,412
including townhouse and multi-family
development.

1612
01:38:41,512 --> 01:38:44,945
The typical residential density of
this land use classification

1613
01:38:45,012 --> 01:38:46,645
is five units per acre for single
family,

1614
01:38:46,712 --> 01:38:48,185
eight to ten for townhouse

1615
01:38:48,252 --> 01:38:52,102
and 15 to 20 units per acre for
multi-family.

1616
01:38:52,982 --> 01:38:55,365
And we have the surrounding
properties or the uh,

1617
01:38:55,432 --> 01:38:58,052
future land use here.

1618
01:38:58,982 --> 01:39:01,145
Notification letters were sent to 14
surrounding

1619
01:39:01,212 --> 01:39:02,905
property owners within 200 feet.

1620
01:39:02,972 --> 01:39:05,465
There's one approval that was left
blank beyond the approval

1621
01:39:05,532 --> 01:39:08,492
and zero protests have been returned.

1622
01:39:08,772 --> 01:39:11,625
Uh, the recommendation is to consider
the request and the applicant,

1623
01:39:11,692 --> 01:39:17,492
uh, is here with us if the Council
has any questions for them.

1624
01:39:18,042 --> 01:39:19,375
I do.

1625
01:39:19,612 --> 01:39:21,612
[chair moving]

1626
01:39:24,182 --> 01:39:27,672
Good evening. Good evening,
Councilman Justin, I am in your
precinct.

1627
01:39:28,212 --> 01:39:30,625
Um, so the properties, because I,
I've been through

1628
01:39:30,692 --> 01:39:33,462
there since I saw it on the agenda.

1629
01:39:34,222 --> 01:39:38,872
Um, my, I guess concern is

1630
01:39:39,762 --> 01:39:42,845
you guys are now going to be like
right in front of uh,

1631
01:39:42,912 --> 01:39:47,492
individuals' homes across the street.

1632
01:39:47,562 --> 01:39:50,785
And so I know that your property, um,
has concrete

1633
01:39:50,852 --> 01:39:54,925
and rocks and I think dirt or
something else, uh,

1634
01:39:54,992 --> 01:39:58,095
I guess right there in that area.

1635
01:39:58,162 --> 01:40:00,645
Is there going to be some type of
prevention from

1636
01:40:00,712 --> 01:40:02,762
like a gate or something?

1637
01:40:02,834 --> 01:40:04,300
like that that kind of prevents it

1638
01:40:04,367 --> 01:40:05,600
from going into the

1639
01:40:05,667 --> 01:40:07,545
across the street to the residents.

1640
01:40:07,612 --> 01:40:09,178
dust mitigation? Yes.

1641
01:40:09,245 --> 01:40:13,812
we use uh uh water trucks to mitigate
dust on our property.

1642
01:40:13,912 --> 01:40:14,745
Okay.

1643
01:40:14,812 --> 01:40:15,645
Um, have you guys

1644
01:40:15,712 --> 01:40:17,211
is that your fence that you guys have

1645
01:40:17,278 --> 01:40:18,811
already a wooden fence? Is that your

1646
01:40:18,878 --> 01:40:20,078
fence or is that a resident's fence?

1647
01:40:20,145 --> 01:40:22,911
We did. We built the uh uh privacy

1648
01:40:22,978 --> 01:40:27,445
fence on that side of the property at
the request of the church there.

1649
01:40:27,745 --> 01:40:29,545
Got you. Okay.

1650
01:40:30,345 --> 01:40:32,711
Um, so besides a parking lot,

1651
01:40:32,778 --> 01:40:34,311
what else are you wanting to do with

1652
01:40:34,378 --> 01:40:35,478
this property?

1653
01:40:35,545 --> 01:40:40,711
Currently mostly parking for uh
trucks, trailers and uh our employees

1654
01:40:40,778 --> 01:40:42,945
so we can continue to grow.

1655
01:40:48,845 --> 01:40:54,111
I guess my other issue is that like
you guys are right in the backyard of

1656
01:40:54,178 --> 01:40:57,045
some of these residents and

1657
01:40:59,045 --> 01:41:04,778
I wish that they'd kind of had more
space right there.

1658
01:41:04,845 --> 01:41:06,445
Um,

1659
01:41:07,245 --> 01:41:08,278
If I may.

1660
01:41:08,345 --> 01:41:09,945
Uh-huh.

1661
01:41:10,145 --> 01:41:13,545
Uh, I'm pretty sure the law I'm
probably going to respond to it, but

1662
01:41:13,945 --> 01:41:14,878
You can, I'm sorry.

1663
01:41:14,945 --> 01:41:18,111
Yeah, no, we uh we had one of these
properties that we purchased had

1664
01:41:18,178 --> 01:41:21,578
Mr. Benny lived there for uh the
first eight years that we were here.

1665
01:41:21,645 --> 01:41:24,611
We were great neighbors to him and he
was to us as well as we helped him

1666
01:41:24,678 --> 01:41:27,278
maintain his ditch line and other
things.

1667
01:41:27,345 --> 01:41:31,045
Uh, we've been good neighbors in the
area and plan to continue to do that.

1668
01:41:31,345 --> 01:41:35,911
And I know you mentioned Cton that uh
doing a hydraulic um study or

1669
01:41:35,978 --> 01:41:39,378
something because they're close to
the water, that's what your

1670
01:41:39,445 --> 01:41:44,811
Yes. We we have engaged in a an uh uh
hydrologist to do that study.

1671
01:41:44,878 --> 01:41:49,445
We we planned to have that within the
next 30 to 90 days.

1672
01:41:50,245 --> 01:41:51,578
Okay.

1673
01:41:53,845 --> 01:41:57,611
Shayla with going with I1 and having
to do a special use permit

1674
01:41:57,678 --> 01:42:01,278
that allows us to put in certain
restrictions that we may want.

1675
01:42:01,345 --> 01:42:03,478
So that's something we could look at
at that time.

1676
01:42:03,545 --> 01:42:04,878
Okay.

1677
01:42:06,645 --> 01:42:08,978
they had gone I2, we wouldn't have
been able to do that.

1678
01:42:09,045 --> 01:42:10,178
Say it again?

1679
01:42:10,245 --> 01:42:12,011
If they'd have gone I2, we wouldn't
have been able to do that, but since

1680
01:42:12,078 --> 01:42:14,911
it's I1, it requires a special use
permit that gives us the levity to

1681
01:42:14,978 --> 01:42:17,811
do restrictions or, you know,
whatever we want to do and try to

1682
01:42:17,878 --> 01:42:20,078
watch something out.

1683
01:42:20,145 --> 01:42:21,078
Okay.

1684
01:42:21,145 --> 01:42:25,211
If um, if the batch plant does come
around to being uh developed, the

1685
01:42:25,278 --> 01:42:29,011
council will see this again with the
set of plans as part of that specific

1686
01:42:29,078 --> 01:42:32,945
use permit for any any building
permits can be granted.

1687
01:42:33,845 --> 01:42:37,611
Yeah, the only thing I'm kind of
hesitant of is no offense because I

1688
01:42:37,678 --> 01:42:42,011
I I think your establishment is
great. I know what you guys do. Um,
it's just

1689
01:42:42,078 --> 01:42:45,311
taking away from the residential
areas right there that could

1690
01:42:45,378 --> 01:42:47,478
potentially be homes in our
community.

1691
01:42:47,545 --> 01:42:48,911
Um, that's the only thing.

1692
01:42:48,978 --> 01:42:53,811
But, uh if it's if it's for the good
cause, I'm I'm all for it. for

1693
01:42:53,878 --> 01:42:54,911
development.

1694
01:42:54,978 --> 01:43:00,811
But uh I just I just see it as being
we're we're changing a single family

1695
01:43:00,878 --> 01:43:07,478
resident area where we can
potentially build homes to
industrial, but

1696
01:43:07,545 --> 01:43:08,978
I'm sorry, what was your name again?

1697
01:43:09,045 --> 01:43:10,178
Scott Davis.

1698
01:43:10,245 --> 01:43:11,578
Last name? Davis.

1699
01:43:11,645 --> 01:43:14,911
Mr. Davis, uh just just for your
information, uh I got a call from

1700
01:43:14,978 --> 01:43:19,311
another uh citizen a couple of weeks
ago and said one thing I would be

1701
01:43:19,378 --> 01:43:23,411
looking at on a possible resolution
of things that we're we're doing for

1702
01:43:23,478 --> 01:43:25,378
parking lots, for industrial
properties, is instead of water
trucks,

1703
01:43:25,445 --> 01:43:28,578
that that might be one, but also
washed rock

1704
01:43:28,645 --> 01:43:33,311
or maybe crushed granite or something
to to eliminate the the dust from

1705
01:43:33,378 --> 01:43:35,578
every from there.

1706
01:43:35,645 --> 01:43:38,611
Yeah, if you come into our our main
drive, we've used crushed granite

1707
01:43:38,678 --> 01:43:42,411
inside the the main drive, it's more
of the parking lot where there's
heavy

1708
01:43:42,478 --> 01:43:45,911
uh trucks that just presses that
granite right down in and it's

1709
01:43:45,978 --> 01:43:47,978
worthless after a month.

1710
01:43:48,045 --> 01:43:49,811
Right, would wash rock work under the
heavy?

1711
01:43:49,878 --> 01:43:52,178
But no, it's the same thing. I mean,
that's the same thing.

1712
01:43:52,245 --> 01:43:55,411
We use aggregate in all of our mixes
so we're very familiar with what it

1713
01:43:55,478 --> 01:43:56,878
does and how how it helps.

1714
01:43:56,945 --> 01:44:02,211
We're using it in some of the uh
areas where it's uh long-term
mitigation

1715
01:44:02,278 --> 01:44:05,978
uh available, but in the other areas,
it just it just

1716
01:44:06,045 --> 01:44:07,845
What about asphalt millings?

1717
01:44:08,545 --> 01:44:11,178
That's cheap and it does cover the
dust.

1718
01:44:11,245 --> 01:44:13,478
Yes, but it stains our our finished
product.

1719
01:44:13,545 --> 01:44:15,045
Got you. Got you.

1720
01:44:15,912 --> 01:44:16,745
Okay.

1721
01:44:16,812 --> 01:44:18,145
Thank you.

1722
01:44:20,545 --> 01:44:25,411
Yeah, where they at is where they at
now, um, I know it's noise there, but

1723
01:44:25,478 --> 01:44:29,811
the the closer you move to those
homes, the louder it's going to be

1724
01:44:29,878 --> 01:44:31,578
for those residents.

1725
01:44:31,645 --> 01:44:38,645
And so that was just kind of my thing
is we got to make sure that um we are

1726
01:44:39,478 --> 01:44:44,311
basically being respectful and and
and helping the citizens across the

1727
01:44:44,378 --> 01:44:47,411
street because I don't want that dust
and stuff to go into their their

1728
01:44:47,478 --> 01:44:50,445
residents. So

1729
01:44:51,545 --> 01:44:55,611
So I guess the question I would have
on that to uh to kind of alleviate

1730
01:44:55,678 --> 01:45:00,511
uh someone that Shayla has brought
up. Um, I don't know what your plan
for an

1731
01:45:00,578 --> 01:45:02,445
entrance into that area would be,

1732
01:45:03,093 --> 01:45:06,212
Um, it looks like there's an entrance
there, kind of where

1733
01:45:06,279 --> 01:45:09,536
it says, uh, property ID 51616.

1734
01:45:09,603 --> 01:45:10,926
Um, would it be something where

1735
01:45:10,993 --> 01:45:14,959
you could, uh, could kind of minimize
the entrances where

1736
01:45:15,026 --> 01:45:17,116
they kind of go east on GW Jackson,
so

1737
01:45:17,183 --> 01:45:20,259
there's not as much in and out right
there around the residential

1738
01:45:20,326 --> 01:45:23,426
houses that are further west on GW
Jackson.

1739
01:45:23,493 --> 01:45:24,906
Yes, sir. We're done with entrances.

1740
01:45:24,973 --> 01:45:27,476
We've we've the second entrance there
that you're referring to.

1741
01:45:27,543 --> 01:45:30,239
We just had that approved
approximately three years ago

1742
01:45:30,306 --> 01:45:32,486
and put that entrance in and we're
done.

1743
01:45:32,553 --> 01:45:35,319
Okay. Yeah, we would not be moving
west with traffic in and

1744
01:45:35,386 --> 01:45:37,396
out of our property.

1745
01:45:37,463 --> 01:45:38,686
Awesome.

1746
01:45:38,753 --> 01:45:41,073
[chair scraping]

1747
01:45:41,363 --> 01:45:42,743
Thank you.

1748
01:45:49,213 --> 01:45:53,853
All right, let's uh move to item 6F,
Miss Rossom.

1749
01:45:53,933 --> 01:45:58,026
Receive public input regarding a
request for a zone change from

1750
01:45:58,093 --> 01:46:01,176
single family residential District 3
to

1751
01:46:01,243 --> 01:46:04,376
the two family residential district
for

1752
01:46:04,443 --> 01:46:10,493
the properties located at block 232,
lots C D E F.

1753
01:46:10,813 --> 01:46:14,959
Property IDs 32658, 32659,

1754
01:46:15,026 --> 01:46:17,856
32660,

1755
01:46:17,923 --> 01:46:24,923
also known as 717, 731 and 735 North
Commerce Street.

1756
01:46:26,223 --> 01:46:27,556
Hello again.

1757
01:46:27,763 --> 01:46:30,959
Uh, this is another zone change this
time from the single family

1758
01:46:31,026 --> 01:46:32,506
residential 3 zoning district

1759
01:46:32,573 --> 01:46:35,319
to uh the two family zoning district
for the purpose of in

1760
01:46:35,386 --> 01:46:38,319
uh developing duplexes on

1761
01:46:38,386 --> 01:46:41,953
three properties.

1762
01:46:42,253 --> 01:46:45,726
So, this is a zoning map, the
surrounding area.

1763
01:46:45,793 --> 01:46:49,299
Uh you can see while most of this
area uh that the property is in

1764
01:46:49,366 --> 01:46:51,386
uh is zoned R3.

1765
01:46:51,453 --> 01:46:54,676
It's kind of a uh mix of different
uses.

1766
01:46:54,743 --> 01:46:57,846
Even across the street, we there's
general retail.

1767
01:46:57,913 --> 01:47:01,559
Uh, just down the street to the
south, it becomes office and

1768
01:47:01,626 --> 01:47:06,219
commercial and then to the central
area and then to the north and east,

1769
01:47:06,286 --> 01:47:09,103
uh is light industrial or I1.

1770
01:47:09,903 --> 01:47:14,509
So, uh, this went to the Planning and
zoning Commission on August

1771
01:47:14,576 --> 01:47:18,509
20th, 2026, uh the planning and
zoning Commission

1772
01:47:18,576 --> 01:47:20,686
recommended that this zone change be
made.

1773
01:47:20,753 --> 01:47:23,919
Staff have found uh reviewed the
application and determined that the

1774
01:47:23,986 --> 01:47:27,426
property does meet the requirement
for requesting a zone change.

1775
01:47:27,493 --> 01:47:30,699
The future land use shows this
property and the surrounding

1776
01:47:30,766 --> 01:47:33,653
property to be core city mixed
residential,

1777
01:47:34,493 --> 01:47:37,159
uh, which is a special residential
designation that describes the

1778
01:47:37,226 --> 01:47:42,566
mixed residential fabric of most
inner city areas of Corsicana.

1779
01:47:42,633 --> 01:47:45,419
Inner city being the areas
immediately around the older

1780
01:47:45,486 --> 01:47:48,419
historic core areas of downtown and
its two flanking

1781
01:47:48,486 --> 01:47:50,843
uh historic neighborhoods.

1782
01:47:50,973 --> 01:47:54,219
The age of structures when within
this area varies and the land use

1783
01:47:54,286 --> 01:47:57,509
mix includes single family attached
and detached and a limited

1784
01:47:57,576 --> 01:48:00,045
percentage of multi-family
development.

1785
01:48:00,283 --> 01:48:03,476
The typical residential density of
this land use classification is

1786
01:48:03,543 --> 01:48:07,599
4.5 units to the acre for single
family, 8 to 10 for attached

1787
01:48:07,666 --> 01:48:13,193
single family, uh and 15 to 20 for
multi-family.

1788
01:48:13,523 --> 01:48:16,019
Notification letters were sent to 21
surrounding property owners

1789
01:48:16,086 --> 01:48:18,819
within 200 ft. Uh zero approvals and
zero protests

1790
01:48:18,886 --> 01:48:21,556
have been returned.

1791
01:48:21,623 --> 01:48:26,013
Uh the city is recommending that the
council consider the request.

1792
01:48:26,353 --> 01:48:30,219
Uh just to reiterate, this is, these
are three properties, they're

1793
01:48:30,286 --> 01:48:34,219
four lots but three properties, three
property IDs uh that they're

1794
01:48:34,286 --> 01:48:38,593
requesting be changed to 2F.

1795
01:48:38,863 --> 01:48:42,023
Uh they are sized appropriately for
duplexes.

1796
01:48:42,343 --> 01:48:47,319
This is just north of downtown uh and
east, I will or west of

1797
01:48:47,386 --> 01:48:52,233
the railroad and 45 business.

1798
01:48:53,793 --> 01:48:56,819
And the app, I believe the applicants
are here, yes, if you

1799
01:48:56,886 --> 01:48:59,543
have any questions for them.

1800
01:49:02,013 --> 01:49:04,026
I did have a couple questions for
you.

1801
01:49:04,093 --> 01:49:07,919
Um, first, are there any existing
properties, uh, or any existing

1802
01:49:07,986 --> 01:49:10,173
buildings on this property?

1803
01:49:10,293 --> 01:49:11,956
No, there's not. Okay.

1804
01:49:12,023 --> 01:49:15,119
One of them does, but it's very
dilating, so it would be upon the

1805
01:49:15,186 --> 01:49:17,856
state to be taken out.

1806
01:49:17,923 --> 01:49:19,996
Okay. That the other two aren't
vacant.

1807
01:49:20,063 --> 01:49:22,619
Yeah, cuz I was trying to look on
here and it it looked like there

1808
01:49:22,686 --> 01:49:24,686
might have been something that was
kind of old and small.

1809
01:49:24,753 --> 01:49:25,846
Yes. Okay.

1810
01:49:25,913 --> 01:49:28,719
Um, and then second, uh, how many
duplexes are you expecting to build

1811
01:49:28,786 --> 01:49:30,833
on this property?

1812
01:49:30,993 --> 01:49:32,616
Eight. You just be

1813
01:49:32,683 --> 01:49:33,986
Just one duplex.

1814
01:49:34,053 --> 01:49:35,943
Yeah. Okay.

1815
01:49:36,183 --> 01:49:37,653
Okay.

1816
01:49:38,413 --> 01:49:39,876
one for a lot.

1817
01:49:39,943 --> 01:49:42,176
Yeah. One one per lot.

1818
01:49:42,243 --> 01:49:43,136
Okay.

1819
01:49:43,203 --> 01:49:47,319
I will double check this, but there
are it shows three properties

1820
01:49:47,386 --> 01:49:49,406
but those are four separate lots.

1821
01:49:49,473 --> 01:49:51,066
So plat lots.

1822
01:49:51,133 --> 01:49:54,536
But so that could be four duplexes.

1823
01:49:54,603 --> 01:49:56,763
So four four duplexes total.

1824
01:49:57,173 --> 01:49:59,959
I know that we're just speaking for
the entity that owns the

1825
01:50:00,026 --> 01:50:00,976
property.

1826
01:50:01,043 --> 01:50:02,763
Okay. The the decision.

1827
01:50:03,220 --> 01:50:07,453
building it or been anything and
taking to an engineer or anything
like that.

1828
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:11,453
They draw plans or going plans just
to see what it would look like and
then they got approval.

1829
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:14,493
But her idea was to only build one on
it.

1830
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:17,843
It is possible to have more if it was
approved and she may go that route.

1831
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:21,560
But I think the idea was just to
build one.

1832
01:50:22,010 --> 01:50:23,833
duplex per lot.

1833
01:50:23,900 --> 01:50:24,733
Gotcha.

1834
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:25,993
Okay.

1835
01:50:26,060 --> 01:50:27,840
Mayor, that's all my questions.

1836
01:50:29,340 --> 01:50:30,263
Anything else?

1837
01:50:30,330 --> 01:50:32,063
Are these one story or two story?

1838
01:50:32,130 --> 01:50:33,243
This one story.

1839
01:50:33,310 --> 01:50:34,950
two duplexes just double stock.

1840
01:50:36,570 --> 01:50:39,570
I believe that speaking with her,

1841
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:42,883
Ma'am, uh, would you come forward,
please, ma'am?

1842
01:50:42,950 --> 01:50:44,380
to the podium.

1843
01:50:46,620 --> 01:50:48,540
I do believe in speaking with her.

1844
01:50:49,930 --> 01:50:55,553
She's out of the country right now,
but I do believe in speaking with
her, it was not intended to be
two-story.

1845
01:50:55,620 --> 01:50:57,703
I won't say 100%, but I don't think
that was the thought.

1846
01:50:57,770 --> 01:51:04,770
It it may go back into the depth of
the depth of the lot if allowed per
building lines, anything like that. I
don't even know if there's easements
in the front and the back.

1847
01:51:05,870 --> 01:51:10,143
But there was no talk with me to go
up, it was to go back and out.

1848
01:51:10,210 --> 01:51:11,543
Okay.

1849
01:51:11,870 --> 01:51:13,203
Thank you.

1850
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:15,400
Anything else while we have her?

1851
01:51:17,650 --> 01:51:18,983
All right.

1852
01:51:21,580 --> 01:51:26,030
We'll move to item seven, ordinances.

1853
01:51:26,260 --> 01:51:30,710
Miss Rossom, would you read the
caption for item 7A?

1854
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:35,720
Consider adopting the budget for
fiscal year 2027.

1855
01:51:36,260 --> 01:51:37,690
Do I have a motion?

1856
01:51:38,220 --> 01:51:42,580
Mr. Mayor, I move to approve the
budget appropriation ordinance as
presented.

1857
01:51:42,780 --> 01:51:45,563
Motion by Mr. Parnell, do we have a
second?

1858
01:51:45,630 --> 01:51:46,963
Second.

1859
01:51:47,570 --> 01:51:48,970
By Mr. Smith.

1860
01:51:51,260 --> 01:51:52,670
Any discussion?

1861
01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:58,480
Any discussion?

1862
01:51:59,890 --> 01:52:01,310
Hearing none,

1863
01:52:02,150 --> 01:52:03,720
call the question.

1864
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:06,250
Miss Rossom, please call the roll.

1865
01:52:06,690 --> 01:52:07,843
Councilman Pennell.

1866
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:08,743
Aye.

1867
01:52:08,810 --> 01:52:09,943
Councilwoman Johnson.

1868
01:52:10,010 --> 01:52:10,843
Aye.

1869
01:52:10,910 --> 01:52:12,093
Councilman Woolsey.

1870
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:12,993
Aye.

1871
01:52:13,060 --> 01:52:14,143
Councilman Smith.

1872
01:52:14,210 --> 01:52:15,043
Aye.

1873
01:52:15,110 --> 01:52:16,163
Mayor Hill.

1874
01:52:16,230 --> 01:52:17,563
Aye.

1875
01:52:19,980 --> 01:52:21,890
The motion is approved.

1876
01:52:25,110 --> 01:52:28,480
Miss Rossom, would you read the
caption for 7B?

1877
01:52:29,020 --> 01:52:35,953
Consider ratifying the property tax
increase reflected in the fiscal year
2027 adopted budget

1878
01:52:36,020 --> 01:52:43,020
and acknowledging that the increase
raises more in tax revenue than the
fiscal year 2026 adopted budget.

1879
01:52:44,890 --> 01:52:46,223
Do I have a motion?

1880
01:52:46,570 --> 01:52:53,570
Mayor, I move to approve the
ordinance ratifying the property tax
rate increase reflected in the fiscal
year 2027 adopted budget and
acknowledge that it raises more in
tax revenue than the fiscal year 2026
adopted budget.

1881
01:52:58,790 --> 01:53:01,380
Motion by Mr. Woolsey, a second?

1882
01:53:03,580 --> 01:53:04,913
Second.

1883
01:53:05,050 --> 01:53:06,590
Second by Mr. Smith.

1884
01:53:07,140 --> 01:53:08,560
Any discussion?

1885
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:12,390
Any discussion?

1886
01:53:15,470 --> 01:53:17,540
Hearing none, we'll call the
question.

1887
01:53:17,740 --> 01:53:19,860
Miss Rossom, please call the roll.

1888
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:21,363
Councilwoman Johnson.

1889
01:53:21,430 --> 01:53:22,263
Aye.

1890
01:53:22,330 --> 01:53:23,273
Councilman Woolsey.

1891
01:53:23,340 --> 01:53:24,173
Aye.

1892
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:25,393
Councilman Smith.

1893
01:53:25,460 --> 01:53:26,293
Aye.

1894
01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:27,503
Councilman Pennell.

1895
01:53:27,570 --> 01:53:28,403
Aye.

1896
01:53:28,470 --> 01:53:29,376
Mayor Hill.

1897
01:53:29,443 --> 01:53:30,776
Aye.

1898
01:53:31,693 --> 01:53:33,463
The motion is approved.

1899
01:53:36,673 --> 01:53:39,503
Miss Rossom, would you read the
caption for 7C?

1900
01:53:39,963 --> 01:53:46,963
Consider adopting the tax rate of
0.5208 for fiscal year 2027.

1901
01:53:48,733 --> 01:53:50,073
Do I have a motion?

1902
01:53:51,733 --> 01:53:58,733
Mr. Mayor, I move to approve the
property tax rate being increased by
the adoption of a tax rate of .5208,
which is effectively a 3.46% increase
in the tax rate.

1903
01:54:02,143 --> 01:54:04,973
Motion by Mr. Smith, do I have a
second?

1904
01:54:05,803 --> 01:54:07,136
Second.

1905
01:54:07,683 --> 01:54:09,136
Second by Mr. Woolsey.

1906
01:54:09,203 --> 01:54:10,743
Discussion, please.

1907
01:54:12,833 --> 01:54:14,263
Any discussion?

1908
01:54:16,003 --> 01:54:17,423
Any discussion?

1909
01:54:18,403 --> 01:54:20,533
Miss Rossom, please call the roll.

1910
01:54:21,053 --> 01:54:22,076
Councilman Woolsey.

1911
01:54:22,143 --> 01:54:22,976
Aye.

1912
01:54:23,043 --> 01:54:24,006
Councilman Smith.

1913
01:54:24,073 --> 01:54:24,906
Aye.

1914
01:54:24,973 --> 01:54:25,926
Councilman Pennell.

1915
01:54:25,993 --> 01:54:26,826
Aye.

1916
01:54:26,893 --> 01:54:28,046
Councilwoman Johnson.

1917
01:54:28,113 --> 01:54:29,446
Nay.

1918
01:54:29,773 --> 01:54:30,796
Mayor Hill.

1919
01:54:30,863 --> 01:54:32,196
Aye.

1920
01:54:33,803 --> 01:54:35,653
The motion is approved.

1921
01:54:37,743 --> 01:54:40,948
Miss Rossom, would you read the
caption for 7D?

1922
01:54:41,883 --> 01:54:48,883
Consider amending Chapter 13,
entitled Municipal Fees, of the City
Code of Ordinances to provide
changes, additions, and deletions of
certain fees.

1923
01:54:53,053 --> 01:54:54,493
Do I have a motion?

1924
01:54:56,013 --> 01:55:01,553
Mayor, I move to table the amendments
as shown to Chapter 13 of the City
Code of Ordinances.

1925
01:55:04,068 --> 01:55:05,021
Second.

1926
01:55:05,088 --> 01:55:07,628
Second by Mr. Smith.

1927
01:55:08,498 --> 01:55:09,888
Any discussion?

1928
01:55:11,968 --> 01:55:13,428
Any discussion?

1929
01:55:14,788 --> 01:55:19,561
So my my only discussion on this
would be I I think it's in probably

1930
01:55:19,628 --> 01:55:24,061
everyone's best interest if we sit
down and revisit all these things

1931
01:55:24,128 --> 01:55:28,061
and have time to talk through the
options that are available and make

1932
01:55:28,128 --> 01:55:32,061
sure we understand everything that's
being considered that's going to uh

1933
01:55:32,128 --> 01:55:34,561
I mean, to me that's going to impact
the total water bill and uh

1934
01:55:34,628 --> 01:55:35,961
make sure we're we're choosing the
right path forward.

1935
01:55:36,398 --> 01:55:40,561
And if I may a point of order, I I I
believe uh council member

1936
01:55:40,628 --> 01:55:47,531
Johnson erroneously voted contrary to
what she her intent on 7C.

1937
01:55:47,598 --> 01:55:52,361
Her intent was 7D. So I think if if
we can have, I'm not sure the

1938
01:55:52,428 --> 01:55:55,561
procedure, but she would like to
amend the record to reflect a vote

1939
01:55:55,628 --> 01:55:58,388
in favor of 7C.

1940
01:55:58,728 --> 01:56:00,098
I can

1941
01:56:00,208 --> 01:56:01,548
recall.

1942
01:56:01,948 --> 01:56:03,231
[laughter]
Sorry.

1943
01:56:03,298 --> 01:56:08,321
Mayor, I move that we recall the roll
vote on item 7C.

1944
01:56:08,388 --> 01:56:09,261
Thank you.

1945
01:56:09,328 --> 01:56:10,661
7C.

1946
01:56:10,848 --> 01:56:11,941
Correct. 7C, Shayla?

1947
01:56:12,008 --> 01:56:14,888
Yes. 7D. It's been a long meeting. It
has. Sorry.

1948
01:56:15,358 --> 01:56:18,178
Councilman Woolsey. I.

1949
01:56:18,938 --> 01:56:21,408
Councilman Smith. I.

1950
01:56:21,628 --> 01:56:23,618
Councilman Pennell. I.

1951
01:56:23,838 --> 01:56:25,988
Councilwoman Johnson. I.

1952
01:56:26,208 --> 01:56:27,908
Mayor Hill. I.

1953
01:56:32,058 --> 01:56:33,728
The motion is approved.

1954
01:56:35,118 --> 01:56:36,451
7D.

1955
01:56:37,118 --> 01:56:42,638
We have a motion by Mr. Wolsey and a
second by Mr. Smith.

1956
01:56:42,858 --> 01:56:44,458
Discussion, please.

1957
01:56:48,488 --> 01:56:53,668
Anything further than Mr. Wolsey's
comment?

1958
01:56:54,448 --> 01:56:55,898
Anything else?

1959
01:56:58,848 --> 01:57:01,128
Miss Roson, would you call the roll,
please?

1960
01:57:02,478 --> 01:57:05,938
Councilman Smith. I.

1961
01:57:06,508 --> 01:57:08,511
Councilman Pennell. I.

1962
01:57:08,578 --> 01:57:10,481
Councilwoman Johnson. I.

1963
01:57:10,548 --> 01:57:12,301
Councilman Woolsey. I.

1964
01:57:12,368 --> 01:57:14,048
Mayor Hill. I.

1965
01:57:15,228 --> 01:57:16,688
Motion is approved.

1966
01:57:19,538 --> 01:57:23,578
Miss Roson, uh the caption for item 7
E, please.

1967
01:57:25,408 --> 01:57:31,061
Receive public input regarding a
request for a zone change from single

1968
01:57:31,128 --> 01:57:36,061
family residential 3 to the light
industrial district for properties

1969
01:57:36,128 --> 01:57:40,561
located at block 1470, part of lot 5
and lot 6 through 14, block

1970
01:57:40,628 --> 01:57:46,061
1472, lots 4 through 13 and 19
through 27, block 1473 lot 1,

1971
01:57:46,128 --> 01:57:50,898
and the unplatted property at blocks
1473 through 1475.

1972
01:57:55,668 --> 01:58:00,561
Also known as property IDs 27231,
27242, 34159, 34160, 51615 through

1973
01:58:00,628 --> 01:58:06,061
51617, and 124265. Being
approximately 10.8 acres off of

1974
01:58:06,128 --> 01:58:13,128
GW Jackson Avenue and including 2015
and 2017 GW Jackson Avenue.

1975
01:58:25,418 --> 01:58:26,868
Do I have a motion?

1976
01:58:27,028 --> 01:58:31,561
Mayor, I move to approve a request
for zone change from the single
family

1977
01:58:31,628 --> 01:58:36,561
residential district 3 or R3 to the
light industrial I1 district from

1978
01:58:36,628 --> 01:58:40,561
properties located at block 1470,
part of lot 5, lot 6 to 14, block

1979
01:58:40,628 --> 01:58:46,061
1472, lots 4 through 13 and 19
through 27, block 1473, lot 1,

1980
01:58:46,128 --> 01:58:51,561
and the unplatted property at blocks
1473 to 1475. Call lots 1 and 2,

1981
01:58:51,628 --> 01:58:56,561
also known as his 27231, 27242,
34159, 34160, 51615, 51617, and

1982
01:58:56,628 --> 01:59:01,561
124265. Being approximately 10.8
acres off GW Jackson Avenue including

1983
01:59:01,628 --> 01:59:06,898
uh 2015 the 2015 and 2017 GW Jackson
Avenue.

1984
01:59:30,668 --> 01:59:32,858
Woo! Can you repeat that, please?

1985
01:59:33,208 --> 01:59:35,318
No. [laughter]

1986
01:59:35,798 --> 01:59:40,561
Mayor, I'd like to give Shayla the
award for reading the longest motion

1987
01:59:40,628 --> 01:59:42,231
I think I've ever experienced in my
time on council.

1988
01:59:42,298 --> 01:59:43,631
Thank you.

1989
01:59:44,528 --> 01:59:47,578
Do we have a second to that heroic
effort?

1990
01:59:47,798 --> 01:59:48,641
Second.

1991
01:59:48,708 --> 01:59:52,638
Second by Mr. Pennell. You get a gold
star too, sir.

1992
01:59:52,918 --> 01:59:54,498
Do we have any discussion?

1993
01:59:54,918 --> 01:59:56,378
Any discussion?

1994
01:59:58,768 --> 02:00:03,098
Hearing none, we'll call the
question. Miss Roson, please call the
roll.

1995
02:00:03,489 --> 02:00:05,092
Councilman Penell? I.

1996
02:00:05,159 --> 02:00:06,712
Councilwoman Johnson? I.

1997
02:00:06,779 --> 02:00:08,432
Councilman Woolsey? I.

1998
02:00:08,499 --> 02:00:10,182
Councilman Smith? I.

1999
02:00:10,249 --> 02:00:11,999
Mayor Hill? I.

2000
02:00:12,989 --> 02:00:14,719
The motion is approved.

2001
02:00:16,689 --> 02:00:19,719
Miss Rosson, would you read the
caption for 7F?

2002
02:00:22,629 --> 02:00:26,316
Receive public input regarding a

2003
02:00:26,383 --> 02:00:28,926
request for a zone change from

2004
02:00:28,993 --> 02:00:31,886
single family residential district

2005
02:00:31,953 --> 02:00:36,736
3 to the two family residential
district for the properties located

2006
02:00:36,803 --> 02:00:38,856
at block 232, lot C D E F

2007
02:00:38,923 --> 02:00:41,636
and property IDs 32658,

2008
02:00:41,703 --> 02:00:44,526
32659 and 32660, also known as

2009
02:00:44,593 --> 02:00:49,762
717, 731 and 735 North Commerce
Street.

2010
02:00:49,829 --> 02:00:51,429
Do I have a motion?

2011
02:00:52,429 --> 02:00:55,646
Mayor, I move to approve a request
for a zoning change

2012
02:00:55,713 --> 02:00:58,046
from the single-family residential

2013
02:00:58,113 --> 02:01:00,846
District R3 district to the two-
family residential District 2F

2014
02:01:00,913 --> 02:01:04,036
for the properties located at block
232, lots C, D, E and F

2015
02:01:04,103 --> 02:01:07,456
property IDs 32658, 32659

2016
02:01:07,523 --> 02:01:12,666
and 32660, also known as 717,

2017
02:01:12,733 --> 02:01:18,889
731 and 735 North Commerce Street.

2018
02:01:19,539 --> 02:01:20,712
Do I have a second?

2019
02:01:20,779 --> 02:01:22,112
Second.

2020
02:01:22,309 --> 02:01:24,069
Second, by Mr. Smith.

2021
02:01:24,969 --> 02:01:26,302
Any discussion?

2022
02:01:29,079 --> 02:01:33,569
[laughter] Other than the fact that
Mr. Woolsey had the second longest.

2023
02:01:34,349 --> 02:01:35,849
Congratulations.

2024
02:01:37,389 --> 02:01:38,222
[laughter]

2025
02:01:39,859 --> 02:01:42,179
Miss Rosson, would you please call
the roll?

2026
02:01:42,289 --> 02:01:43,739
Councilman Penell?

2027
02:01:44,879 --> 02:01:45,852
Say again?

2028
02:01:45,919 --> 02:01:47,729
Councilman Penell? I.

2029
02:01:47,999 --> 02:01:49,969
Councilwoman Johnson? I.

2030
02:01:50,089 --> 02:01:51,782
Councilman Woolsey? I.

2031
02:01:51,849 --> 02:01:53,442
Councilman Smith? I.

2032
02:01:53,509 --> 02:01:54,999
Mayor Hill? I.

2033
02:01:55,089 --> 02:01:57,009
And the motion is approved.

2034
02:02:00,059 --> 02:02:03,879
Mr. Rosson, would you read the
caption for item 8?

2035
02:02:06,059 --> 02:02:10,156
Consider approving, waving of a
portion of the reversionary interest

2036
02:02:10,223 --> 02:02:13,886
on block 508, lot 8R, also known as
1402 East 9th Avenue,

2037
02:02:13,953 --> 02:02:18,426
in the City of Corsicana and
authorizing execution by the Mayor

2038
02:02:18,493 --> 02:02:23,539
and providing for an effective date.

2039
02:02:25,679 --> 02:02:27,012
Plate.

2040
02:02:28,689 --> 02:02:31,649
To clarify, this is 8A. I'm on the
correct one, right? Okay.

2041
02:02:32,749 --> 02:02:33,672
Okay.

2042
02:02:33,739 --> 02:02:38,756
So, um, this is a, uh, resolution to
waive a portion

2043
02:02:38,823 --> 02:02:43,136
of liquidated, liquidated damages,

2044
02:02:43,203 --> 02:02:47,566
uh, from a infill lot that was on the
previous section of the program

2045
02:02:47,633 --> 02:02:52,139
that was, uh, done in 2021.

2046
02:02:52,429 --> 02:02:55,016
So, Mr. Alexis, Eloa, and you're here
with us,

2047
02:02:55,083 --> 02:02:57,539
and I apologize for missing your
name.

2048
02:02:58,309 --> 02:03:01,736
Alim Homes, uh, Investment Homes
Incorporated purchased the property

2049
02:03:01,803 --> 02:03:06,776
at block 508, lots, uh, nine and a
half of eight.

2050
02:03:06,843 --> 02:03:10,856
replat into lot 8R, uh, 1402 East 9th
Avenue,

2051
02:03:10,923 --> 02:03:15,489
in August, uh, on August 3rd, 2021 as
an infill lot.

2052
02:03:15,749 --> 02:03:20,256
Infill program is designed to
encourage timely construction of
affordable housing.

2053
02:03:20,323 --> 02:03:25,616
The contract for the infill lot
program includes a reversionary right
and penalty

2054
02:03:25,683 --> 02:03:29,906
addendum in which the buyer has six
months from the closing date to start

2055
02:03:29,973 --> 02:03:32,609
construction and be issued a building
permit by the City of Corsicana.

2056
02:03:33,289 --> 02:03:35,846
If construction is not started within
the six months,

2057
02:03:35,913 --> 02:03:38,706
then the seller has the right to
reacquire title to the property.

2058
02:03:38,773 --> 02:03:42,556
The buyer then has 18 months after
that six-month time frame assuming

2059
02:03:42,623 --> 02:03:45,636
a, uh, construction is started.

2060
02:03:45,703 --> 02:03:49,766
Uh, 18 months from the closing date
to complete the construction and
obtain

2061
02:03:49,833 --> 02:03:52,456
a certificate of occupancy from, uh,

2062
02:03:52,523 --> 02:03:55,709
for the residential structure from
the City of Corsicana.

2063
02:03:56,079 --> 02:03:59,916
There is a liquidated damage of $50
per day for each day that the
construction

2064
02:03:59,983 --> 02:04:04,219
is not complete over the 18-month
time frame.

2065
02:04:04,469 --> 02:04:08,016
So the history of this lot is that,
uh, the six-month deadline from the
closing

2066
02:04:08,083 --> 02:04:11,926
date of August 3rd, 2021 to start
construction was January 31st,

2067
02:04:11,993 --> 02:04:14,919
2022.

2068
02:04:15,229 --> 02:04:19,016
Uh, but Mr. Uoa, Uoa, Uoa?

2069
02:04:19,083 --> 02:04:21,066
Alex. You spelled me Alex. Alex.

2070
02:04:21,133 --> 02:04:27,802
, um, was granted a permit on June
13th, uh, 2024.

2071
02:04:27,869 --> 02:04:31,546
Construction has completed and the
certificate of occupancy was and is

2072
02:04:31,613 --> 02:04:37,319
able to be granted as of August 24th,
2026.

2073
02:04:37,649 --> 02:04:41,526
Mr. Alex would owe liquidated damages
of $64,900 due to the

2074
02:04:41,593 --> 02:04:46,236
1,298 days over the 18-month deadline

2075
02:04:46,303 --> 02:04:52,389
from the date of the closure of the
contract.

2076
02:04:52,629 --> 02:04:56,286
However, he should not have been
granted a permit on June 13th, 2024

2077
02:04:56,353 --> 02:05:02,412
due to the six-month time frame to
start construction already having
been passed.

2078
02:05:02,479 --> 02:05:03,601
If the 18.

2079
02:05:03,668 --> 02:05:07,501
18 month time frame where to be
considered the start at to start at
the time

2080
02:05:07,568 --> 02:05:10,361
he was granted a permit, which is
June 13th, 2024.

2081
02:05:10,428 --> 02:05:16,311
Uh the construction time would be 254
days over that 18-month deadline,

2082
02:05:16,378 --> 02:05:19,421
which would be December 13th, 2025.

2083
02:05:19,488 --> 02:05:23,431
and would instead owe liquidated
damages of 12,700

2084
02:05:23,498 --> 02:05:27,361
from the 64,900 which it currently
stands.

2085
02:05:27,428 --> 02:05:31,031
So the city is requesting that uh the
council consider waving

2086
02:05:31,098 --> 02:05:34,311
a portion of the liquidated damages
and the removal

2087
02:05:34,378 --> 02:05:38,311
of a portion of the reversionary
interest for the property

2088
02:05:38,378 --> 02:05:41,611
located at block 508 lot 8R,

2089
02:05:41,678 --> 02:05:46,398
1402 East 9th Avenue from $64,900 to
$12,700.

2090
02:05:46,478 --> 02:05:49,011
And if you have any questions for
myself or uh Alex,

2091
02:05:49,078 --> 02:05:51,391
uh we'd be happy to answer them.

2092
02:05:51,458 --> 02:05:55,248
I do. I do have because this is
actually in my precinct. Mr. Alex.

2093
02:05:55,898 --> 02:06:01,531
Um, my question to um, you, Clayton
is, how do we miss this? Because

2094
02:06:01,598 --> 02:06:07,231
I know that we started reverting lots
back, the ones who did not meet

2095
02:06:07,298 --> 02:06:11,031
the deadline, and so how did this
property slip through the cracks?

2096
02:06:11,098 --> 02:06:14,488
That's my first question.

2097
02:06:15,358 --> 02:06:20,131
I can't exactly say because this was
the permit was done before I

2098
02:06:20,198 --> 02:06:22,791
started.

2099
02:06:22,858 --> 02:06:25,731
And the the infill lots, the
reversions uh of lots

2100
02:06:25,798 --> 02:06:30,181
that have made no progress was
started.

2101
02:06:30,248 --> 02:06:34,958
Um, I want to say six months ago,
probably a little more.

2102
02:06:35,148 --> 02:06:40,598
Uh, but this, the permit was granted
in 2024, June 13th of 24.

2103
02:06:40,848 --> 02:06:44,131
I did not, I looked, I couldn't find
any documentation or um,

2104
02:06:44,198 --> 02:06:47,531
any special comments or anything as
to why a permit was

2105
02:06:47,598 --> 02:06:51,361
granted for this property.

2106
02:06:51,428 --> 02:06:53,731
Uh, I don't know if there was a
conversation that was had

2107
02:06:53,798 --> 02:06:55,731
that is not recorded anywhere,

2108
02:06:55,798 --> 02:07:01,548
but I couldn't say why a permit was
granted on this property.

2109
02:07:02,788 --> 02:07:04,121
Okay.

2110
02:07:06,218 --> 02:07:11,348
Can Mr. Alex address that? Who
granted you the permit?

2111
02:07:11,968 --> 02:07:14,561
And that process for receiving the
permit?

2112
02:07:14,628 --> 02:07:16,878
Okay, number one, thank you very
much.

2113
02:07:17,108 --> 02:07:20,038
Mayor Joe, everybody in the council.

2114
02:07:20,128 --> 02:07:22,808
Um, long history short.

2115
02:07:23,078 --> 02:07:27,331
I um, I was traveling quite a bit at
that moment.

2116
02:07:27,398 --> 02:07:31,141
I had some other folks working for
me.

2117
02:07:31,208 --> 02:07:36,798
And therefore, I just remember
talking to somebody uh from the city.

2118
02:07:37,198 --> 02:07:41,531
About the fact, um, we didn't even,
my understanding was that it was a

2119
02:07:41,598 --> 02:07:44,931
five-year at some point, I read on
some documents

2120
02:07:44,998 --> 02:07:51,278
that it was a five-year period to
build.

2121
02:07:51,948 --> 02:07:55,731
Nevertheless, I I last the the the
documentation that it says

2122
02:07:55,798 --> 02:07:58,568
anything about that.

2123
02:07:58,728 --> 02:08:03,931
I now noticed that I did sign a a
document that he says that it

2124
02:08:03,998 --> 02:08:08,231
was within 18 month that I that I had
to start uh six month

2125
02:08:08,298 --> 02:08:12,461
to start building and 18 month to
build it.

2126
02:08:12,528 --> 02:08:14,898
Long history short.

2127
02:08:16,828 --> 02:08:23,358
I had a a manager that was supposed
to be at the front of the project.

2128
02:08:24,828 --> 02:08:28,371
He miss did the project.

2129
02:08:28,438 --> 02:08:32,878
It is obviously it is my fault. I'm
the one who's responsible for it.

2130
02:08:33,378 --> 02:08:38,631
Uh, therefore, at one point back in
last year in January was when I

2131
02:08:38,698 --> 02:08:41,531
finally find out that uh, well,

2132
02:08:41,598 --> 02:08:44,631
not that I finally find out, I came
to the conclusion that I

2133
02:08:44,698 --> 02:08:45,831
didn't have enough money

2134
02:08:45,898 --> 02:08:49,731
to continue and finish the building.

2135
02:08:49,798 --> 02:08:54,631
At that um, because I was trying to
finish some other uh some other

2136
02:08:54,698 --> 02:08:58,318
projects that I had.

2137
02:08:58,598 --> 02:09:04,231
But I was already in contract with
some other investors over here

2138
02:09:04,298 --> 02:09:08,051
that we were going to do the
investment.

2139
02:09:08,118 --> 02:09:12,231
Because of the mismanagement of the
project, what I end up happening

2140
02:09:12,298 --> 02:09:16,031
was that some of the contractors
didn't do their work that's

2141
02:09:16,098 --> 02:09:19,428
supposed to be doing.

2142
02:09:19,668 --> 02:09:23,788
So I have to end that paying double
for the same job.

2143
02:09:23,918 --> 02:09:29,031
And as it turns out, obviously the
project went way beyond

2144
02:09:29,098 --> 02:09:35,028
beyond uh the the the budget.

2145
02:09:35,148 --> 02:09:38,331
Therefore, as it is right now, we're
in in the budget on the project

2146
02:09:38,398 --> 02:09:43,031
itself, we're like 20, 30,000 above
what the market price

2147
02:09:43,098 --> 02:09:48,718
would be for a finished house right
now.

2148
02:09:49,518 --> 02:09:50,968
Just the way it is.

2149
02:09:51,828 --> 02:09:56,818
And I know that does not nobody's
fault over here, it is all my fault.

2150
02:09:57,038 --> 02:10:00,931
But one of the things that I wanted
to ask you, and I know that this is

2151
02:10:00,998 --> 02:10:03,377
just going to be something that will
be just

2152
02:10:03,444 --> 02:10:05,469
on the kindness of your heart

2153
02:10:05,536 --> 02:10:07,619
is because these other investors over
here

2154
02:10:07,686 --> 02:10:10,751
they're they're really trusted me

2155
02:10:10,818 --> 02:10:14,299
and they're in the hole over $30,000

2156
02:10:14,366 --> 02:10:16,459
above the project.

2157
02:10:16,526 --> 02:10:19,479
and they still have to go finish

2158
02:10:19,546 --> 02:10:26,177
another house on on the block of 600
on E 17th Street.

2159
02:10:26,244 --> 02:10:29,879
Which I'm I'm already out, meaning,

2160
02:10:29,946 --> 02:10:32,959
I already know that I'm not making
anything.

2161
02:10:33,026 --> 02:10:38,094
I'm beyond all spending all my money.

2162
02:10:38,736 --> 02:10:44,007
If I'm asking you to be, you know, to
to consider that.

2163
02:10:44,074 --> 02:10:48,089
And even to go as far as even
considering lowering

2164
02:10:48,156 --> 02:10:51,987
or not having to pay that

2165
02:10:52,054 --> 02:10:55,244
is because in their case

2166
02:10:55,384 --> 02:10:58,009
the total amount is going to be over
100,000

2167
02:10:58,076 --> 02:11:00,874
that they're in the hole.

2168
02:11:01,474 --> 02:11:03,944
And they just hoping

2169
02:11:04,074 --> 02:11:10,354
to actually be able to at one point
be able to recuperate their money.

2170
02:11:11,124 --> 02:11:15,089
So, I don't know if that was kind of
like a long, long answer, but

2171
02:11:15,156 --> 02:11:17,464
I wanted to mention that.

2172
02:11:17,793 --> 02:11:20,808
Clayton, you mentioned that um the
revision of these

2173
02:11:20,875 --> 02:11:25,174
infill lots didn't start till
recently.

2174
02:11:25,241 --> 02:11:29,961
So, when he was in violation of
starting on time,

2175
02:11:30,361 --> 02:11:34,316
what was the common practice was was
the city just ignoring that

2176
02:11:34,383 --> 02:11:36,574
for everybody?

2177
02:11:36,641 --> 02:11:42,194
For lots that have not started and
maybe pulled a permit.

2178
02:11:42,261 --> 02:11:47,094
I'm only, I went through so the the
I'm

2179
02:11:47,161 --> 02:11:50,231
I didn't haven't seen

2180
02:11:51,281 --> 02:11:53,716
most of the lots that were in the
infill program that didn't get

2181
02:11:53,783 --> 02:11:56,724
executed from what I've seen

2182
02:11:56,791 --> 02:11:59,574
were for uh the applicant pulling
out.

2183
02:11:59,641 --> 02:12:02,416
I don't think I've seen any that have
had the reversionary

2184
02:12:02,483 --> 02:12:04,891
finalized,

2185
02:12:05,881 --> 02:12:11,031
um or let me take a step back from
that.

2186
02:12:11,531 --> 02:12:13,566
I don't know what the process was
before.

2187
02:12:13,633 --> 02:12:16,588
I didn't none of 'em have been uh
reverted when we started

2188
02:12:16,655 --> 02:12:19,591
going through the reversions.

2189
02:12:19,881 --> 02:12:23,284
Um it was a backlog of

2190
02:12:23,351 --> 02:12:27,614
not so many, I think like 12 to 15 if
I'm recalling correctly.

2191
02:12:27,681 --> 02:12:30,616
Uh, but I hadn't seen any
documentation on certified

2192
02:12:30,683 --> 02:12:32,734
letters being sent

2193
02:12:32,801 --> 02:12:36,736
that you were in possession of a lot
that you failed to

2194
02:12:36,803 --> 02:12:41,244
execute your part of the deed on or
the contract.

2195
02:12:41,311 --> 02:12:44,256
Clayton, let's I mean, the reality
is, uh it's difficult for us

2196
02:12:44,323 --> 02:12:47,246
to speak to whatever happened back
then

2197
02:12:47,313 --> 02:12:50,716
but we did have about a year ago, we
changed the process

2198
02:12:50,783 --> 02:12:52,406
and we tightened it up

2199
02:12:52,473 --> 02:12:54,146
and as you all know, we also changed
some of the rules

2200
02:12:54,213 --> 02:12:57,691
and some of our practices relative to
the infill program.

2201
02:12:57,781 --> 02:13:00,246
But we also understand that the
infill program's main purpose

2202
02:13:00,313 --> 02:13:02,161
is to get a house built.

2203
02:13:02,431 --> 02:13:05,216
And that's what we're really trying
to do here versus

2204
02:13:05,283 --> 02:13:07,714
enforcing a contract.

2205
02:13:07,781 --> 02:13:12,446
Uh, but our recommendation here is to
uh uh give up some of the

2206
02:13:12,513 --> 02:13:17,984
fines, if you will, that are there
for the purpose of speeding up

2207
02:13:18,051 --> 02:13:22,214
the project itself, but not all of
them.

2208
02:13:22,281 --> 02:13:27,414
And uh that and we are glad that you
built a house on that site.

2209
02:13:27,481 --> 02:13:31,204
And we hope to get more of these
infill lots filled

2210
02:13:31,271 --> 02:13:34,316
and we'll do, we will continue our
due diligence to tighten up

2211
02:13:34,383 --> 02:13:37,811
the process so that these things
don't slip through the cracks, so to
speak.

2212
02:13:38,091 --> 02:13:41,586
Um, Miss Alex, I will say, uh
standing in the precinct, I'm very

2213
02:13:41,653 --> 02:13:45,121
familiar with that house that you are
referring to.

2214
02:13:45,271 --> 02:13:46,256
Um, some of the disappointments

2215
02:13:46,323 --> 02:13:47,996
that I've seen on that property is
that

2216
02:13:48,063 --> 02:13:51,846
it took for code enforcement to come
out several times because

2217
02:13:51,913 --> 02:13:55,266
the trash that the builders had on
that property were blowing

2218
02:13:55,333 --> 02:13:57,826
into a property next door,

2219
02:13:57,893 --> 02:14:00,394
um, which is a senior citizen and

2220
02:14:00,461 --> 02:14:04,971
it took quite a while for them to
come and fix that.

2221
02:14:05,161 --> 02:14:08,986
Um, the grass, they would leave the
grass unmowed where code enforcement

2222
02:14:09,053 --> 02:14:11,906
has to come out and give warnings.

2223
02:14:11,973 --> 02:14:15,308
And so I'm all about grace because we
have given grace for these

2224
02:14:15,375 --> 02:14:18,781
infill lots before.

2225
02:14:19,331 --> 02:14:23,391
Um, what I am what I am implying is

2226
02:14:23,501 --> 02:14:27,806
when you want grace, you have to make
sure that you're crossing your tees

2227
02:14:27,873 --> 02:14:29,376
and dotting your eyes as far as
helping

2228
02:14:29,443 --> 02:14:32,804
keep the maintenance up, keep the
trash out.

2229
02:14:32,871 --> 02:14:35,506
like if to me, they whoever was
building it was leaving it for

2230
02:14:35,573 --> 02:14:37,351
months at a time.

2231
02:14:37,601 --> 02:14:39,524
Because I watched the progress of
that house.

2232
02:14:39,591 --> 02:14:42,476
And they would leave for months, two,
three months and then they would come

2233
02:14:42,543 --> 02:14:45,171
back and work on a little piece and
then they'll leave again.

2234
02:14:45,461 --> 02:14:50,631
And my question was, is this a
probably own lot or

2235
02:14:50,761 --> 02:14:53,514
That I'm I'm sorry, go ahead.

2236
02:14:53,581 --> 02:14:57,081
No, and then I saw it was for, you
had a for sale sign on it.

2237
02:14:57,591 --> 02:15:00,396
Um, and then you took the for sale
sign down and now it's a rental

2238
02:15:00,463 --> 02:15:01,884
property, correct?

2239
02:15:01,951 --> 02:15:03,841
You're putting that up as a rental.

2240
02:15:03,908 --> 02:15:06,298
property. And so what I was saying

2241
02:15:06,808 --> 02:15:08,881
if someone rent your property out,

2242
02:15:08,948 --> 02:15:11,281
you're probably going to make that
12,000 back in a year.

2243
02:15:11,348 --> 02:15:12,968
because I'm pretty I'm not.

2244
02:15:13,828 --> 02:15:16,368
Unless actually what happens is

2245
02:15:16,678 --> 02:15:18,731
I got my hard money lender over here,

2246
02:15:18,798 --> 02:15:22,721
who was for closing on the house last
month.

2247
02:15:22,788 --> 02:15:27,141
He didn't for close because that
penalty was there.

2248
02:15:27,208 --> 02:15:30,031
And he knew that if he for closed the
house,

2249
02:15:30,098 --> 02:15:33,888
and then that debt was not going to
be forgiven.

2250
02:15:34,778 --> 02:15:40,131
Now, I got them over here, they
trusted me on on building the house.

2251
02:15:40,198 --> 02:15:42,731
And again, I I agree with you.

2252
02:15:42,798 --> 02:15:48,531
and one of the reasons why literally
now, I have no employees.

2253
02:15:48,598 --> 02:15:53,398
is because part of the reason on how
they mismanage the project.

2254
02:15:54,418 --> 02:15:56,331
Obviously, again, it's my fault.

2255
02:15:56,398 --> 02:16:00,081
I'm not I'm not blaming somebody
else, okay?

2256
02:16:00,148 --> 02:16:02,431
And anything that you do,

2257
02:16:02,498 --> 02:16:06,778
forgive, I am not getting not a
penny.

2258
02:16:07,518 --> 02:16:11,268
My my the guys that invested with me.

2259
02:16:11,608 --> 02:16:13,368
They're hoping.

2260
02:16:14,128 --> 02:16:18,431
They're hoping that at one point down
the road,

2261
02:16:18,498 --> 02:16:22,868
they can at least get their money
back.

2262
02:16:23,628 --> 02:16:27,581
Now, him in the other hand, he
already knows.

2263
02:16:27,648 --> 02:16:30,488
No matter what, he's getting his his
money.

2264
02:16:30,718 --> 02:16:34,698
Because if he for closes on the house
right now,

2265
02:16:35,128 --> 02:16:41,121
he didn't, you know, the amount of
money that we paid to end that
building it.

2266
02:16:41,188 --> 02:16:43,031
And I'm not blaming him.

2267
02:16:43,098 --> 02:16:45,781
Don't give me wrong. I'm not saying
he, you know, it's something wrong
with him.

2268
02:16:45,848 --> 02:16:49,738
He's he's doing his business and that
that is what he's doing.

2269
02:16:49,978 --> 02:16:53,331
All I'm asking is for forgiveness,
not for me.

2270
02:16:53,398 --> 02:16:56,321
I'm already losing way over.

2271
02:16:56,388 --> 02:16:57,828
I'm out.

2272
02:16:58,078 --> 02:17:03,331
They're the ones who completely going
to lose with me.

2273
02:17:03,398 --> 02:17:06,581
So when I'm asking for you to forgive
me,

2274
02:17:06,648 --> 02:17:09,338
is not for me. I'm already out.

2275
02:17:09,608 --> 02:17:12,558
Meaning, I already know I'm losing.

2276
02:17:12,668 --> 02:17:14,378
I have lost everything.

2277
02:17:14,618 --> 02:17:16,731
But you know, excuse me. I'm going to
stop it just a minute.

2278
02:17:16,798 --> 02:17:20,431
What sort of extension do you have
from your investor that says that

2279
02:17:20,498 --> 02:17:23,308
he's not going to or whoever is not
going to for close?

2280
02:17:23,498 --> 02:17:26,881
Well, that was one of the things that
I was trying to arrange

2281
02:17:26,948 --> 02:17:28,731
just before we got here.

2282
02:17:28,798 --> 02:17:32,831
I was like, look, if you don't work
with them,

2283
02:17:32,898 --> 02:17:37,198
I'm going to tell them not to forgive
the loan because

2284
02:17:37,848 --> 02:17:40,588
you're going to get a house for less.

2285
02:17:41,598 --> 02:17:44,331
So, that was something that I was
talking to him and and

2286
02:17:44,398 --> 02:17:46,431
just before we got here, he's like,

2287
02:17:46,498 --> 02:17:50,431
you're treating me like a mafia guy,
you know, torturing me.

2288
02:17:50,498 --> 02:17:52,188
I'm like, I'm not torturing you.

2289
02:17:52,498 --> 02:17:55,181
I'm telling you, these guys are going
to lose their, you know,

2290
02:17:55,248 --> 02:17:56,601
all their investment.

2291
02:17:56,668 --> 02:17:59,578
All I'm asking you is to help work
with them.

2292
02:18:00,518 --> 02:18:03,331
And that's what I'm, you know,
basically asking you.

2293
02:18:03,398 --> 02:18:06,731
I'm taking 100% responsibility

2294
02:18:06,798 --> 02:18:09,438
and that's why I'm not making any
money on this thing.

2295
02:18:10,728 --> 02:18:13,791
If you were taking 100%
responsibility, you'd pay them 649.

2296
02:18:13,858 --> 02:18:17,478
Oh, no, I'm I'm I still going to be
paying them some.

2297
02:18:17,798 --> 02:18:19,131
Uh,

2298
02:18:20,738 --> 02:18:26,231
I think I have a bit of an issue of
of an issue of of us the city
reducing by however much

2299
02:18:26,298 --> 02:18:30,578
I just, you know, from 649 to 127.

2300
02:18:30,758 --> 02:18:33,531
So an investor can sit around and for
turn around and for close and then

2301
02:18:33,598 --> 02:18:36,048
make that extra money. I'm not doing
that.

2302
02:18:36,288 --> 02:18:39,431
So, I'm going to vote to table this
until you get some sort of agreement

2303
02:18:39,498 --> 02:18:42,431
with your investor that he's not
going to for close his property.

2304
02:18:42,498 --> 02:18:45,778
for six months, eight months,
something like that.

2305
02:18:45,878 --> 02:18:51,008
Thank you. problem. Thank you. Sure.

2306
02:18:52,998 --> 02:18:57,398
And while he's on his way to the
podium, I will say that investment
involves risk.

2307
02:18:58,078 --> 02:19:00,211
Truth. Investment involves risk.

2308
02:19:00,278 --> 02:19:03,631
And while I may have compassion on
someone losing their money on an

2309
02:19:03,698 --> 02:19:05,881
investment,

2310
02:19:05,948 --> 02:19:08,481
I'm really not crazy about passing
that on to taxpayers, the loss

2311
02:19:08,548 --> 02:19:12,138
on the taxpayers. I understand.

2312
02:19:12,258 --> 02:19:17,398
I will say the $12,000, if we were if
we would have granted you $12,000,

2313
02:19:18,198 --> 02:19:21,131
whoever was ringing your house out, I
know I know for sure is going to pay

2314
02:19:21,198 --> 02:19:22,531
that back in the first year.

2315
02:19:22,598 --> 02:19:24,148
So you're really not.

2316
02:19:24,418 --> 02:19:28,831
I mean, that somebody's paying that
that fee. I'm not for that.

2317
02:19:28,898 --> 02:19:30,431
Is this house for rent or for sale?

2318
02:19:30,498 --> 02:19:32,338
Yeah, I'm so I'm not for that.

2319
02:19:33,618 --> 02:19:35,868
Is this house for sale? speak up
here.

2320
02:19:37,408 --> 02:19:38,741
Why don't you come up first?

2321
02:19:40,768 --> 02:19:42,298
Sorry, I'm not trying to take
control.

2322
02:19:42,958 --> 02:19:47,898
So, the initial idea was to build a
home and sell it

2323
02:19:48,658 --> 02:19:52,131
because of all the delays, the price
increases on

2324
02:19:52,198 --> 02:19:56,518
not only labor, but also materials.

2325
02:19:57,448 --> 02:20:00,348
increased the cost of building it.

2326
02:20:00,438 --> 02:20:03,648
He delayed the project for too long.

2327
02:20:04,771 --> 02:20:06,901
We kept asking what's going on.

2328
02:20:07,171 --> 02:20:08,971
We never got a straight answer.

2329
02:20:09,081 --> 02:20:10,934
But now we're stuck with the
property.

2330
02:20:11,001 --> 02:20:14,104
In terms of the mowing, I've been
doing that myself.

2331
02:20:14,171 --> 02:20:16,634
We're not, it's me and my wife.

2332
02:20:16,701 --> 02:20:20,484
We're not a big company with millions
of dollars.

2333
02:20:20,551 --> 02:20:22,144
Can you state your name, sir?

2334
02:20:22,211 --> 02:20:23,901
Oh, sorry. Lenin Aguilar.

2335
02:20:24,041 --> 02:20:26,101
Lenin, L E N I N.

2336
02:20:26,841 --> 02:20:29,911
Aguilar, A G U I L A R.

2337
02:20:30,041 --> 02:20:30,874
And so,

2338
02:20:30,941 --> 02:20:33,001
are you the one that you moved

2339
02:20:33,331 --> 02:20:34,664
No.

2340
02:20:35,091 --> 02:20:41,571
No, so I'm one of the investors on
[inaudible] with Eloa to build the
home.

2341
02:20:41,791 --> 02:20:46,811
And so, if the Harmony lender had
foreclosed on the property,

2342
02:20:46,951 --> 02:20:49,911
we would have lost all the money we
put in the property.

2343
02:20:50,581 --> 02:20:55,524
Even after we knew there was an issue
in finishing up the house,

2344
02:20:55,591 --> 02:20:58,634
I took money out of my 401k to finish
the home

2345
02:20:58,701 --> 02:21:01,474
in order to get the occupancy code,

2346
02:21:01,541 --> 02:21:04,471
be able to either sell it or rent it.

2347
02:21:04,661 --> 02:21:08,404
We put up the sign saying coming up
soon for rent.

2348
02:21:08,471 --> 02:21:10,217
And I've had probably 20 calls.

2349
02:21:10,284 --> 02:21:12,761
And I've got their phone number saved
because

2350
02:21:12,841 --> 02:21:16,021
there's a need for rental properties
in that area.

2351
02:21:16,811 --> 02:21:21,294
We also, once we figure this property
out, we would like to finish

2352
02:21:21,361 --> 02:21:24,854
the other property that we invested
with him as well.

2353
02:21:24,921 --> 02:21:30,214
And another lot, that we're trying to
finish both of them.

2354
02:21:30,281 --> 02:21:32,234
And we're not going to get our money
back right away.

2355
02:21:32,301 --> 02:21:33,564
It won't be a year.

2356
02:21:33,631 --> 02:21:37,064
Even if you rent it, we're taking a
loan from a bank

2357
02:21:37,131 --> 02:21:40,101
to be able to pay him,

2358
02:21:40,271 --> 02:21:42,824
so we don't have to worry about him
foreclosing

2359
02:21:42,891 --> 02:21:45,454
and we take ownership of the house
and try to manage that

2360
02:21:45,521 --> 02:21:47,604
while we work full-time jobs.

2361
02:21:47,671 --> 02:21:49,944
This was not our plan from the
beginning.

2362
02:21:50,011 --> 02:21:52,084
It was just to build it and sell it.

2363
02:21:52,151 --> 02:21:53,751
[rustling]

2364
02:21:54,301 --> 02:21:56,584
So, when you talk about mowing,

2365
02:21:56,651 --> 02:21:58,374
I've been doing that myself on both
homes.

2366
02:21:58,441 --> 02:21:59,274
Okay.

2367
02:21:59,341 --> 02:22:03,011
Okay. Yeah, so trying to keep it
clean and try to, uh,

2368
02:22:03,854 --> 02:22:07,014
try to be ready for after this,

2369
02:22:07,194 --> 02:22:09,894
think the wheels start turning to try
to

2370
02:22:10,014 --> 02:22:13,037
get it done and either sell it or
rent it.

2371
02:22:13,104 --> 02:22:15,817
But I think because of how much money
we put into it,

2372
02:22:15,884 --> 02:22:20,124
we won't be able to sell it and get
all of our investment.

2373
02:22:20,604 --> 02:22:21,877
We will have to rent it.

2374
02:22:21,944 --> 02:22:24,727
Probably keep it for three to five
years,

2375
02:22:24,794 --> 02:22:28,694
and then up and see what the market
says and then maybe look at selling
it.

2376
02:22:30,054 --> 02:22:32,144
Okay. And who's the gentleman behind
you?

2377
02:22:32,411 --> 02:22:33,244
Yes.

2378
02:22:33,311 --> 02:22:34,144
[inaudible]

2379
02:22:34,314 --> 02:22:35,857
My name is Daniel Jones.

2380
02:22:35,924 --> 02:22:42,724
Um, I'm the uh, I originally funded
the property with uh, Mr. Eloa.

2381
02:22:43,304 --> 02:22:46,554
Um, I was never aware there was
another investor involved.

2382
02:22:46,814 --> 02:22:49,907
Uh, we we went through, we have a
promissory note,

2383
02:22:49,974 --> 02:22:54,327
we have a deed of trust with Mr. Eloa
is the owner of the property,

2384
02:22:54,394 --> 02:22:57,004
and I'm listed on the deed as a
lender.

2385
02:22:57,324 --> 02:22:59,807
Um, it just came to my attention
about three months ago

2386
02:22:59,874 --> 02:23:01,887
that there was a reversionary clause
that's

2387
02:23:01,954 --> 02:23:03,717
that he had a certain time to build.

2388
02:23:03,784 --> 02:23:06,967
I didn't know that I wasn't aware
there was a $50 a day fine.

2389
02:23:07,034 --> 02:23:09,557
Excuse me, sir, but can you speak
into the microphone?

2390
02:23:09,624 --> 02:23:10,497
We can't hear you.

2391
02:23:10,564 --> 02:23:11,964
Oh, sorry.

2392
02:23:12,214 --> 02:23:14,777
So I wasn't aware that there was a
reversionary clause

2393
02:23:14,844 --> 02:23:16,467
and there was a $50 a fine.

2394
02:23:16,534 --> 02:23:20,107
And that's why I've given Mr. Eloa
more time than I normally do

2395
02:23:20,174 --> 02:23:23,247
to finish the project.

2396
02:23:23,314 --> 02:23:25,147
And three months ago, he made me
aware

2397
02:23:25,214 --> 02:23:26,934
that there was an investor involved.

2398
02:23:27,174 --> 02:23:29,757
Um, because I was going to foreclose
because Mr. Eloa

2399
02:23:29,824 --> 02:23:33,444
hasn't been making his monthly
payments on the note.

2400
02:23:33,954 --> 02:23:36,637
So in order to help Mr. Aguilar

2401
02:23:36,704 --> 02:23:38,580
and also the reversionary clause that
came,

2402
02:23:38,647 --> 02:23:41,767
well, first before I decided to
foreclose,

2403
02:23:41,834 --> 02:23:43,767
I was trying to work with both

2404
02:23:43,834 --> 02:23:46,437
and told him if you start making
payments today,

2405
02:23:46,504 --> 02:23:48,754
you know, I'll postpone, I won't
foreclose.

2406
02:23:49,414 --> 02:23:52,484
Okay, they made one payment, then
they went two months without.

2407
02:23:52,794 --> 02:23:55,190
And I finally said, you know, because
this been going on for years.

2408
02:23:55,257 --> 02:23:59,267
Normally my loans are six months with
a three-month extension,

2409
02:23:59,334 --> 02:24:01,494
and I've been letting it go on for
two years.

2410
02:24:01,704 --> 02:24:03,937
Trying to help Mr. Eloa, and now

2411
02:24:04,004 --> 02:24:06,814
I was trying to help Mr. Aguilar now
that I know he's involved.

2412
02:24:07,504 --> 02:24:11,697
And so with the reversionary clause
with that amount of fine

2413
02:24:11,764 --> 02:24:15,867
and the amount of money that is owed
to me on the original loan

2414
02:24:15,934 --> 02:24:18,310
and the amount of money that's owed
Mr. Aguilar,

2415
02:24:18,377 --> 02:24:19,427
it is way upside down.

2416
02:24:19,494 --> 02:24:22,027
Even if you don't include the money
that's Mr. Aguilar has put

2417
02:24:22,094 --> 02:24:23,247
in,

2418
02:24:23,314 --> 02:24:25,664
which I don't I've never verified how
much that is,

2419
02:24:26,154 --> 02:24:28,820
the matter that he owes me plus the
$65,000 fine,

2420
02:24:28,887 --> 02:24:30,547
if I go to foreclosure,

2421
02:24:30,614 --> 02:24:33,707
that house and it's you know, it's
brand new,

2422
02:24:33,774 --> 02:24:35,860
but it's only a thousand something
square feet.

2423
02:24:35,927 --> 02:24:37,077
It's only worth 200,000.

2424
02:24:37,144 --> 02:24:42,534
There's more that's owed on it than,
you know, it's upside down.

2425
02:24:43,074 --> 02:24:45,974
And that's why with the reversionary
fine, you know,

2426
02:24:46,594 --> 02:24:48,494
I don't know what would happen in
foreclosure.

2427
02:24:49,084 --> 02:24:50,417
Uh,

2428
02:24:51,184 --> 02:24:52,877
if the house sells for a certain
dollar amount,

2429
02:24:52,944 --> 02:24:57,734
whoever picks up that house, I assume
they inherit that fine.

2430
02:24:57,894 --> 02:25:00,897
So Mr. Eloa, the person that's
responsible for this,

2431
02:25:00,964 --> 02:25:03,764
won't he won't be responsible for the
fine.

2432
02:25:04,889 --> 02:25:11,512
And if Mr. Oh, it wouldn't be paid at
closing. So it would be paid at
closing. So somebody's going to pay
it at closing.

2433
02:25:11,579 --> 02:25:18,365
Well, if it goes to foreclosure, um,
whatever the price sells for.

2434
02:25:18,432 --> 02:25:19,265
Right.

2435
02:25:19,332 --> 02:25:21,698
I I don't know. I don't know for sure
if they would know

2436
02:25:21,765 --> 02:25:24,428
about the fine, whoever's bidding on
the house.

2437
02:25:24,495 --> 02:25:25,328
Right.

2438
02:25:25,395 --> 02:25:26,748
What what's the status of you

2439
02:25:26,815 --> 02:25:28,765
being able to get another loan to pay
this man off?

2440
02:25:30,005 --> 02:25:32,935
Have you gotten that far? You just
mentioned it, have you gotten that
far?

2441
02:25:33,045 --> 02:25:35,118
He he has the loan approved.

2442
02:25:35,185 --> 02:25:36,705
Yeah, so

2443
02:25:37,255 --> 02:25:42,115
we were going to close on the
purchase on August 31st.

2444
02:25:42,855 --> 02:25:49,808
And that's when we found out about
what it was owed to the city.

2445
02:25:49,875 --> 02:25:51,988
And so we couldn't close.

2446
02:25:52,055 --> 02:25:55,868
The bank is waiting to hear what the
final decision is today.

2447
02:25:55,935 --> 02:26:01,878
to close on the house and move
forward with it and be done with it.

2448
02:26:01,945 --> 02:26:03,278
Okay, Mr. Panell.

2449
02:26:04,055 --> 02:26:09,648
I agree with you that you don't want
the taxpayers to not have a burden or
absorb whatever.

2450
02:26:09,715 --> 02:26:14,365
But this is a penalty, it's not
something that is costing the
taxpayers anything?

2451
02:26:15,445 --> 02:26:22,445
I think I still would like to table
this to get documentation from the
bank saying we will do this if the
city does whatever.

2452
02:26:23,165 --> 02:26:28,678
Because right now there's just a
whole bunch of excuses flying around
the room and it's been two and a
half, three years.

2453
02:26:28,745 --> 02:26:29,618
So,

2454
02:26:29,685 --> 02:26:30,728
Anybody else have anything else?

2455
02:26:30,795 --> 02:26:37,795
The only thing I would say about not
costing the taxpayers anything is any
lack of revenue to the city, we still
it comes from somewhere.

2456
02:26:38,708 --> 02:26:39,588
True.

2457
02:26:39,655 --> 02:26:40,938
So,

2458
02:26:41,005 --> 02:26:46,548
And I don't want to sit up here and
be the arbiter of these disputes, and
I don't want to set a precedent that
we're going to do this.

2459
02:26:46,615 --> 02:26:47,448
Right.

2460
02:26:47,515 --> 02:26:48,348
Right.

2461
02:26:48,415 --> 02:26:54,618
I do want to house, I I want to
generate some income for the city for
that property, but this is a mess.

2462
02:26:54,685 --> 02:26:55,768
This is what I can't count on.

2463
02:26:55,835 --> 02:27:00,908
and I feel inadequate making a
decision tonight based

2464
02:27:00,975 --> 02:27:04,740
there there's a lack of due diligence
on everybody's part here.

2465
02:27:04,807 --> 02:27:05,738
Yep.

2466
02:27:05,805 --> 02:27:07,275
And um,

2467
02:27:07,775 --> 02:27:09,108
So,

2468
02:27:10,475 --> 02:27:12,145
I support taling it.

2469
02:27:12,455 --> 02:27:13,778
I do too.

2470
02:27:13,845 --> 02:27:14,788
You support what?

2471
02:27:14,855 --> 02:27:18,345
Taling the the motion and not
deciding tonight.

2472
02:27:18,805 --> 02:27:19,838
It would be two weeks.

2473
02:27:19,905 --> 02:27:21,628
Next meeting will be at two weeks.

2474
02:27:21,695 --> 02:27:22,578
If if that's

2475
02:27:22,645 --> 02:27:24,025
So there'll be another hearing?

2476
02:27:24,855 --> 02:27:25,808
Oh, yes.

2477
02:27:25,875 --> 02:27:27,208
Oh, okay.

2478
02:27:27,925 --> 02:27:29,705
Do you have something else you'd like
to say?

2479
02:27:29,855 --> 02:27:33,608
Well, I mean, it's been brought to my
attention by the permitting
department that

2480
02:27:33,675 --> 02:27:37,148
he should have never been given, you
know, the permit to begin with,

2481
02:27:37,215 --> 02:27:40,058
since he didn't follow the conditions
of the contract.

2482
02:27:40,125 --> 02:27:40,958
Agreed.

2483
02:27:41,025 --> 02:27:44,061
So if that would have happened, none
of us would be in any of this mess.

2484
02:27:44,128 --> 02:27:44,961
I agree.

2485
02:27:45,028 --> 02:27:48,501
Here, so in my eyes, the city kind
dropped the ball.

2486
02:27:49,011 --> 02:27:51,674
And the only person that's not going
to pay is Mr. Yola.

2487
02:27:51,741 --> 02:27:56,441
It's either going to be Mr. Aguilar
or me as a lender that's going to end
up paying the fine.

2488
02:27:56,931 --> 02:28:01,991
Because the house isn't worth as much
as much as it's owed on it and and
including the fine.

2489
02:28:03,061 --> 02:28:03,964
Yeah.

2490
02:28:04,031 --> 02:28:06,581
Clayton, Sue signatures are on that
paperwork.

2491
02:28:06,781 --> 02:28:08,301
Yeah. On the permit.

2492
02:28:10,401 --> 02:28:11,734
The permit.

2493
02:28:12,041 --> 02:28:13,374
Um,

2494
02:28:24,071 --> 02:28:27,434
So I did not print out the permit.

2495
02:28:27,501 --> 02:28:31,494
I printed out the issued permit, but
it doesn't have signatures on it.

2496
02:28:31,561 --> 02:28:36,971
I can get that. We do have it in our
system, but I don't have it right
here with me.

2497
02:28:37,731 --> 02:28:44,731
I think I remember, but I would
rather come back and send a copy or
something like that than just guess.

2498
02:28:44,951 --> 02:28:46,014
Yeah, we're going to table it.

2499
02:28:46,081 --> 02:28:48,154
The original contract was signed
when?

2500
02:28:48,221 --> 02:28:50,234
2021.

2501
02:28:50,301 --> 02:28:52,301
Did any of you read the contract?

2502
02:28:53,971 --> 02:29:00,971
I mean, this is really about an
extension of time that you all wanted
in order to finish the house.

2503
02:29:02,371 --> 02:29:09,371
But whatever the circumstances are in
terms of your investment and your
understanding of it, it's clear on
the contract originally what

2504
02:29:09,981 --> 02:29:13,661
the what in fact was expected.

2505
02:29:13,791 --> 02:29:18,124
So it had gone two years without
being built already before, in fact,
that

2506
02:29:18,191 --> 02:29:23,561
whether it was wrong or right to
issue a permit, to give you more time
to finish the house.

2507
02:29:23,661 --> 02:29:27,404
So I don't know that the city is at
fault here, I think it's basically,

2508
02:29:27,471 --> 02:29:33,764
you know, that's your issue, your
investment and the risk that come
with the investment.

2509
02:29:33,831 --> 02:29:38,744
And we here today are really dealing
with the contract itself that's in
front of us.

2510
02:29:38,811 --> 02:29:43,594
and what we're willing to in fact
defer in terms of that, in terms of
that fine.

2511
02:29:43,661 --> 02:29:45,681
Clayton, how big is this lot?

2512
02:29:46,461 --> 02:29:49,511
75 by 125, I believe.

2513
02:29:49,631 --> 02:29:54,961
Oh, so just kind of a normal, what a
.18 acre lot or something like that.

2514
02:29:55,291 --> 02:29:57,744
A little wider than a standard R3.

2515
02:29:57,811 --> 02:29:58,644
Okay.

2516
02:29:58,711 --> 02:30:00,014
What's

2517
02:30:00,081 --> 02:30:05,511
I mean, I'm going to say this just
just just to get some resolution
because this just seems like lots of
mistakes.

2518
02:30:06,267 --> 02:30:08,370
were made on lots of parts and this
is a mess.

2519
02:30:08,437 --> 02:30:11,950
Um, to me, I would say cut this to
30,000.

2520
02:30:12,017 --> 02:30:16,810
that if if I am a, you know, private
seller with a lot that

2521
02:30:16,877 --> 02:30:18,980
size, 30 to 35 is gonna be roughly
market value.

2522
02:30:19,047 --> 02:30:21,710
In my mind, I would just treat that
as a market sale rather

2523
02:30:21,777 --> 02:30:24,470
than an infill lot and just be done
with it.

2524
02:30:24,537 --> 02:30:31,436
[paper rustling]

2525
02:30:31,503 --> 02:30:33,086
Do you wish to make a motion on that?

2526
02:30:33,153 --> 02:30:35,326
What what percentage completion is
the house?

2527
02:30:35,393 --> 02:30:36,766
I don't agree with that one.

2528
02:30:36,833 --> 02:30:40,266
It's it's got to it's ready to have
the CO signed,

2529
02:30:40,333 --> 02:30:45,516
but we wanted to bring it to the
council first to have this resolved
or some kind of discussion.

2530
02:30:45,583 --> 02:30:48,453
It's it's finished for all intents
and purposes.

2531
02:30:49,883 --> 02:30:51,806
It's had its final inspections all
done.

2532
02:30:51,873 --> 02:30:55,636
[paper rustling]

2533
02:30:55,703 --> 02:31:02,246
Now I will say um as part of that
six-month thing in the contract, the
reversionary right and penalty,

2534
02:31:02,313 --> 02:31:06,066
Uh if buyer does not begin the
construction within six months

2535
02:31:06,133 --> 02:31:09,246
of closing date, the sellers reserve
the right to require the title

2536
02:31:09,313 --> 02:31:11,946
uh to the property pursuant to the
special warranty deed provisions,

2537
02:31:12,013 --> 02:31:15,026
so on and so forth.

2538
02:31:15,093 --> 02:31:18,956
So the the logic behind treating the
the date of the permit

2539
02:31:19,023 --> 02:31:22,026
being issued as that start

2540
02:31:22,093 --> 02:31:25,466
and then 18 months and then $50 a day
beyond that,

2541
02:31:25,533 --> 02:31:29,766
is assuming that when the permit was
granted,

2542
02:31:29,833 --> 02:31:36,066
that extension past the six month,
the the reserving the right to

2543
02:31:36,133 --> 02:31:40,843
either take it or leave it, it was
left for some reason.

2544
02:31:43,693 --> 02:31:45,426
Can I say a motion?

2545
02:31:45,493 --> 02:31:47,956
That's why I'm requesting that the
fine be dropped

2546
02:31:48,023 --> 02:31:50,556
to 12,700 because that's 18 months

2547
02:31:50,623 --> 02:31:54,246
from the time that the permit was
granted and that's per the contract.

2548
02:31:54,313 --> 02:31:56,366
is 18 months after the permit is
contracted.

2549
02:31:56,433 --> 02:31:59,666
Now, it was permitted way late,

2550
02:31:59,733 --> 02:32:04,166
but according to the contract, it
should it's 18 months after the
permit.

2551
02:32:04,233 --> 02:32:06,246
that the $50 a day.

2552
02:32:06,313 --> 02:32:10,683
Pardon me? It's 18 months after the
closing date. After the closing date.

2553
02:32:11,963 --> 02:32:14,926
Well, I'm just asking that since he
shouldn't have never been granted

2554
02:32:14,993 --> 02:32:17,956
a permit because he waited two years
instead of what is it, three

2555
02:32:18,023 --> 02:32:18,926
months to start?

2556
02:32:18,993 --> 02:32:22,856
Six months. Since he waited two years
to start instead of six months,

2557
02:32:22,923 --> 02:32:28,856
that you be lenient and just and do
the 12,700 to 18 months after the
permit.

2558
02:32:28,923 --> 02:32:33,086
24. That's 20,600. 20,000. It's a
penalty.

2559
02:32:33,153 --> 02:32:39,046
Uh because basically, like I said,
the person that's going to end up
paying for this is not the person
that caused the problem.

2560
02:32:39,113 --> 02:32:43,973
It's going to be this investor here
or me as a lender, who we're just
finding out about this.

2561
02:32:44,970 --> 02:32:45,803
right when we can.

2562
02:32:45,870 --> 02:32:52,686
gen is the permit permitting office
required to look at what? If you get

2563
02:32:52,753 --> 02:32:58,596
If you wish to speak, ma'am, you have
to speak, ma'am, you have to come up
up forward and talk at the podium so
that we can hear you.

2564
02:32:58,663 --> 02:33:00,466
Well, and and

2565
02:33:00,533 --> 02:33:06,906
um someone in the audience had a very
good question: Can the council
constitutionally forgive it that?

2566
02:33:06,973 --> 02:33:08,626
I I don't know the answer to that.

2567
02:33:08,693 --> 02:33:10,316
That's a good question.

2568
02:33:10,383 --> 02:33:13,296
Well, then we need to we need that
answer before

2569
02:33:13,363 --> 02:33:16,083
Absolutely. Anything else.
Absolutely. time to one.

2570
02:33:16,743 --> 02:33:18,266
Did did you Anybody hear what she
said?

2571
02:33:18,333 --> 02:33:19,316
Can you can you restate?

2572
02:33:19,383 --> 02:33:21,933
constitutionally forgive it like
this?

2573
02:33:22,433 --> 02:33:25,466
We've had some some mowing leans and
things like that where we can
compromise

2574
02:33:25,533 --> 02:33:30,366
a little bit, but you need to look
carefully at whether we can just
forgive that.

2575
02:33:30,433 --> 02:33:31,606
I think yeah, I think I think

2576
02:33:31,673 --> 02:33:33,766
Mowing lanes don't have contracts.
This has a contract.

2577
02:33:33,833 --> 02:33:34,666
further

2578
02:33:34,733 --> 02:33:37,579
Mowing lanes don't have a contract,
this has a contract.

2579
02:33:37,646 --> 02:33:39,709
So we may be state bound to do this.

2580
02:33:39,776 --> 02:33:41,929
the city. You can't just forgive a
debt. It doesn't work that way.

2581
02:33:41,996 --> 02:33:44,296
The Constitution says you can't.

2582
02:33:45,436 --> 02:33:47,696
I'll make a motion to table this.
Second.

2583
02:33:49,716 --> 02:33:54,709
Motion been made by Mr. Smith,
seconded by Mr. Wolsey, that we table

2584
02:33:54,776 --> 02:33:58,749
this subject for further
consideration.

2585
02:33:58,816 --> 02:34:01,806
Any questions to this motion?

2586
02:34:03,066 --> 02:34:04,399
Nope.

2587
02:34:05,966 --> 02:34:09,429
call the question all in favor of
tabling the subject, please say I.

2588
02:34:09,496 --> 02:34:10,369
Aye.

2589
02:34:10,436 --> 02:34:11,269
Opposed, no.

2590
02:34:11,336 --> 02:34:13,926
Motion carries.

2591
02:34:16,916 --> 02:34:19,356
Good point. Thank you.

2592
02:34:19,756 --> 02:34:25,369
Clayton, if I may ask, did Planning
and Zoning see this issue?

2593
02:34:25,436 --> 02:34:30,349
Did the Planning and Zoning Committee
see this issue?

2594
02:34:30,416 --> 02:34:33,819
This uh the the the infill lot?

2595
02:34:33,886 --> 02:34:36,509
No, they have not. I didn't

2596
02:34:36,576 --> 02:34:39,739
it wasn't as far as I understand it
previous ones where debt was

2597
02:34:39,806 --> 02:34:42,709
forgiven on infill lots, we're not
brought to planning and zoning.

2598
02:34:42,776 --> 02:34:46,256
They were brought as a resolution to
City Council.

2599
02:34:47,246 --> 02:34:48,579
Okay.

2600
02:34:50,246 --> 02:34:52,409
I'd like to get a copy of that
permit, that signed permit.

2601
02:34:52,476 --> 02:34:54,356
I'll send that to you. Thank you.

2602
02:34:56,646 --> 02:34:57,979
We almost there.

2603
02:35:00,826 --> 02:35:06,016
there's nothing further on this
subject but due to the motion, uh
Miss Rossen, would you read the
caption for item 8B.

2604
02:35:07,066 --> 02:35:11,799
Consider authorizing award of bids
for water wastewater chemicals

2605
02:35:11,866 --> 02:35:13,986
for fiscal year 2027.

2606
02:35:15,366 --> 02:35:22,196
Chair recognizes Mr. Jason Beard, our
environmental services director.

2607
02:35:22,566 --> 02:35:24,399
Yes, good evening, Mayor and Council.

2608
02:35:24,466 --> 02:35:27,099
I'll bring to you tonight the
chemical bids

2609
02:35:27,166 --> 02:35:29,569
for the fiscal year 2027.

2610
02:35:29,636 --> 02:35:32,399
We did receive bids again this year.

2611
02:35:32,466 --> 02:35:36,649
I believe we received a good number
of qualified bids.

2612
02:35:36,716 --> 02:35:42,966
Uh we do have some recommendations in
here for the bids to move forward
with.

2613
02:35:43,466 --> 02:35:49,899
And just a note, uh fiscal year 26
chemicals cost around 1,169,000.

2614
02:35:49,966 --> 02:35:56,499
And this year we're looking at right
around that 1,154,000.

2615
02:35:56,566 --> 02:36:01,299
Uh so, kind of interesting to see
them stay a little bit flat this
year.

2616
02:36:01,366 --> 02:36:05,499
Um, I don't know if that's just
because they've gone up so much in
the last

2617
02:36:05,566 --> 02:36:08,499
five years and they're just kind of
high enough they figure or but

2618
02:36:08,566 --> 02:36:13,149
uh good good news for us though and
not seeing a major increase this
year.

2619
02:36:13,216 --> 02:36:14,049
[laughter]

2620
02:36:21,266 --> 02:36:22,699
Anything further, Jason?

2621
02:36:22,766 --> 02:36:24,266
Not unless y'all have any questions.

2622
02:36:24,466 --> 02:36:26,166
Any any questions?

2623
02:36:26,766 --> 02:36:28,099
Just thank you for all you do.

2624
02:36:28,266 --> 02:36:29,599
Thank you.

2625
02:36:30,166 --> 02:36:32,399
Not sure how you pull that off, but
well done.

2626
02:36:32,466 --> 02:36:34,666
[laughter]

2627
02:36:34,766 --> 02:36:36,499
Brief. We like this.

2628
02:36:36,566 --> 02:36:38,099
[laughter]

2629
02:36:38,166 --> 02:36:40,866
because you got them so tired that
they didn't question.

2630
02:36:41,066 --> 02:36:42,399
Do we have a motion?

2631
02:36:42,766 --> 02:36:47,099
Mayor, I move to approve award of
bids for water and wastewater

2632
02:36:47,166 --> 02:36:48,699
chemicals to the recommended bidders.

2633
02:36:48,766 --> 02:36:50,999
Motion by Mr. Woolsey. Do we have a
second?

2634
02:36:51,066 --> 02:36:52,399
Second.

2635
02:36:52,566 --> 02:36:54,499
Second by Mr. Panell.

2636
02:36:54,566 --> 02:36:56,266
Any further discussion?

2637
02:36:57,666 --> 02:37:00,599
Hearing none, all in favor, please
say I.

2638
02:37:00,666 --> 02:37:01,999
Aye. Aye.

2639
02:37:02,266 --> 02:37:03,599
Oppose no.

2640
02:37:03,966 --> 02:37:06,266
And the motion is approved.

2641
02:37:08,766 --> 02:37:12,566
Miss Rawson, the uh caption for 8C,
please.

2642
02:37:13,266 --> 02:37:17,099
Consider approving a development
agreement between the City of
Corsicana

2643
02:37:17,166 --> 02:37:19,866
and the Humane Society of Navarro
County.

2644
02:37:20,666 --> 02:37:22,266
Mr. Holgerson.

2645
02:37:22,566 --> 02:37:26,399
Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of the
council. This this is a slight
revision to the

2646
02:37:26,466 --> 02:37:29,799
original development agreement that
extends the piece of property a
little

2647
02:37:29,866 --> 02:37:31,199
to the east.

2648
02:37:31,266 --> 02:37:35,166
Uh and it's about 7 .72 acres total.

2649
02:37:35,366 --> 02:37:37,899
As you recall, we had the footprint
for the building at 2500 square feet

2650
02:37:37,966 --> 02:37:38,899
in the beginning.

2651
02:37:38,966 --> 02:37:43,199
The Humane Society would like they
have some plans for future
development

2652
02:37:43,266 --> 02:37:46,899
that relate to their to the Humane
Society function and purpose.

2653
02:37:46,966 --> 02:37:50,466
And we would recommend that this
development agreement be approved.

2654
02:37:54,466 --> 02:37:56,066
Any questions?

2655
02:37:56,666 --> 02:37:59,866
Any comments for Mr. Holgerson?

2656
02:38:02,766 --> 02:38:04,266
Hearing none.

2657
02:38:05,466 --> 02:38:08,099
All in favor, please indicate by
saying I.

2658
02:38:08,166 --> 02:38:10,599
Oh, no. We don't make a motion. We
don't have a motion.

2659
02:38:10,666 --> 02:38:13,799
Mayor, I move to approve the
resolution for development agreement

2660
02:38:13,866 --> 02:38:15,699
with the Humane Society of Navarro
County.

2661
02:38:15,766 --> 02:38:16,699
Okay, here we go.

2662
02:38:16,766 --> 02:38:17,599
[chuckles]
Second.

2663
02:38:17,666 --> 02:38:19,099
Second.

2664
02:38:19,166 --> 02:38:20,099
Third.

2665
02:38:20,166 --> 02:38:21,399
[laughter]
No.

2666
02:38:21,466 --> 02:38:22,499
I'm going to even vote.

2667
02:38:22,566 --> 02:38:23,399
[laughter]

2668
02:38:23,566 --> 02:38:24,899
Okay.

2669
02:38:25,166 --> 02:38:29,166
Um, any questions for Mr. Holgerson
on his presentation?

2670
02:38:31,766 --> 02:38:33,366
Do we have a motion?

2671
02:38:35,266 --> 02:38:36,099
[laughter]

2672
02:38:36,166 --> 02:38:38,199
Mayor, I made the motion and Jeff
seconded.

2673
02:38:38,266 --> 02:38:39,966
Mr. Woolsey, Mr. Smith.

2674
02:38:40,066 --> 02:38:41,899
Second, Mr. Smith.

2675
02:38:41,966 --> 02:38:43,666
And Mr. Pennell third discussion.

2676
02:38:44,766 --> 02:38:46,366
Any further discussion?

2677
02:38:47,766 --> 02:38:50,466
All in favor, please indicate, say
again.

2678
02:38:50,566 --> 02:38:52,199
Uh, I.

2679
02:38:52,266 --> 02:38:54,566
Aye. Aye.

2680
02:38:54,866 --> 02:38:56,199
Oppose no.

2681
02:38:56,266 --> 02:38:59,166
Motion pair is approved.

2682
02:38:59,766 --> 02:39:04,266
Miss Rawson, the uh caption for 8D,
please.

2683
02:39:05,266 --> 02:39:09,099
Consider declaring a public necessity
for the acquisition of real property

2684
02:39:09,166 --> 02:39:13,299
along Starboard Way, authorizing the
city manager to contract

2685
02:39:13,366 --> 02:39:14,499
on behalf of the city.

2686
02:39:14,566 --> 02:39:18,199
Concerning the acquisition of real
property and authorizing eminent

2687
02:39:18,266 --> 02:39:23,399
domain proceedings concerning the
acquisition of real property to
obtain

2688
02:39:23,466 --> 02:39:27,266
a permanent easement for the
construction of a water line.

2689
02:39:28,766 --> 02:39:30,699
Mr. Terry Jacobson.

2690
02:39:30,766 --> 02:39:32,199
[laughter] I've been waiting for my
moment.

2691
02:39:32,266 --> 02:39:34,766
[laughter]

2692
02:39:35,766 --> 02:39:36,899
patiently, I might add.

2693
02:39:36,966 --> 02:39:38,099
[laughter]

2694
02:39:38,166 --> 02:39:42,399
Yeah, um, the water club development
uh subdivision sits on the will be

2695
02:39:42,466 --> 02:39:45,899
the northeast side of the BNSF
railroad right there.

2696
02:39:45,966 --> 02:39:48,766
You know, there's a new road that
goes over the railroad there.

2697
02:39:49,266 --> 02:39:53,899
And uh they need a water line coming
from the south to complete the proper

2698
02:39:53,966 --> 02:39:57,999
engineering of the water delivery
system within that subdivision.

2699
02:39:58,066 --> 02:40:00,699
There's probably a 100 lots there
plus or minus, something like that

2700
02:40:00,766 --> 02:40:01,699
Jeff, I guess.

2701
02:40:01,766 --> 02:40:05,266
And we have tried and tried and tried
to get an easement from

2702
02:40:05,766 --> 02:40:06,629
Uh

2703
02:40:06,696 --> 02:40:09,619
BNSF railway to just give us an
easement.

2704
02:40:09,686 --> 02:40:11,869
Because what we're actually taking is

2705
02:40:11,936 --> 02:40:17,899
100 feet long from place to place, 4
feet wide and 2 feet tall.

2706
02:40:17,966 --> 02:40:21,389
We're going to be about 20 feet down
below the grade of the top of the
track.

2707
02:40:21,456 --> 02:40:23,699
We're going to bore underneath it and
put a water line in there

2708
02:40:23,766 --> 02:40:25,679
so they can complete the system.

2709
02:40:25,746 --> 02:40:28,656
have a closed loop system, good
functioning water system.

2710
02:40:29,166 --> 02:40:31,399
And we worked with uh BNSF but they
what they were offering us

2711
02:40:31,466 --> 02:40:33,799
was just a permit or a license.

2712
02:40:33,866 --> 02:40:36,199
where every 25 years they would have
to we have to pay pay for

2713
02:40:36,266 --> 02:40:38,936
it again.

2714
02:40:39,106 --> 02:40:41,199
And then they offered to give us a
permanent one.

2715
02:40:41,266 --> 02:40:42,599
And all these costs by the way are
being passed on to the

2716
02:40:42,666 --> 02:40:43,619
waterfront club.

2717
02:40:43,686 --> 02:40:45,566
The city will ultimately bear none of
this cost.

2718
02:40:45,756 --> 02:40:49,006
Uh but but it's right now it's ours
but they they'll pay us back for it.

2719
02:40:49,506 --> 02:40:51,599
But they also other provisions in
their eight page permit and

2720
02:40:51,666 --> 02:40:54,016
license agreement.

2721
02:40:54,166 --> 02:40:56,499
like uh we have to maintain perpetual
insurance on the uh

2722
02:40:56,566 --> 02:40:59,566
on the easement itself.

2723
02:41:00,066 --> 02:41:02,199
Not not just while we're building it,
but there has to be a CGL

2724
02:41:02,266 --> 02:41:06,749
policy that covers that property in
perpetuity.

2725
02:41:06,816 --> 02:41:10,899
And that's a cost that the city
simply should not have to bear.

2726
02:41:10,966 --> 02:41:12,699
Because what'll happen as a practical
matter is, 40 years

2727
02:41:12,766 --> 02:41:15,199
from now, the waterfront club will
forget that they need to pay

2728
02:41:15,266 --> 02:41:17,279
for the insurance.

2729
02:41:17,346 --> 02:41:19,886
And if something goes wrong, it'll be
on the city.

2730
02:41:20,146 --> 02:41:22,886
So my advice, Jim, and I think it's
the right way to approach it is,

2731
02:41:23,426 --> 02:41:24,309
we'll just condemn it.

2732
02:41:24,376 --> 02:41:27,266
We we'll take from you what it is we
need.

2733
02:41:27,416 --> 02:41:30,509
and we'll it took three months of
negotiation to get to this point.

2734
02:41:30,576 --> 02:41:34,606
And so uh Jim authorized me to hire
an appraiser, which I did.

2735
02:41:35,026 --> 02:41:36,526
And we have an appraisal.

2736
02:41:36,686 --> 02:41:38,199
And the process requires you all to
make a finding of public

2737
02:41:38,266 --> 02:41:39,959
necessity.

2738
02:41:40,026 --> 02:41:42,199
And the public necessity is to
deliver water to the people who

2739
02:41:42,266 --> 02:41:44,966
live in that subdivision, very much a
public necessity.

2740
02:41:45,466 --> 02:41:47,499
Uh then I have to make an offer and
eventually if they don't take

2741
02:41:47,566 --> 02:41:49,466
the offer, then we'll go ahead and
condemn.

2742
02:41:50,156 --> 02:41:53,746
Um the appraisal came in, I think at
$17.

2743
02:41:54,096 --> 02:41:56,926
That's the that's what's overtaking
$17 worth the property.

2744
02:41:57,506 --> 02:41:58,699
So it's not much. They're just being
hardheaded and they just

2745
02:41:58,766 --> 02:41:59,599
are the big

2746
02:41:59,666 --> 02:42:02,879
900-pound gorilla in town and they
don't want to give us something.

2747
02:42:03,259 --> 02:42:04,592
So we're just going to go take it
then.

2748
02:42:05,229 --> 02:42:07,732
So that's what I need you all to do
is authorized uh Jim to

2749
02:42:07,799 --> 02:42:10,232
authorize me to send the initial and
final offer letters and

2750
02:42:10,299 --> 02:42:12,799
initiate eminent domain proceedings.

2751
02:42:14,229 --> 02:42:15,562
Any questions?

2752
02:42:15,879 --> 02:42:17,522
No. Sounds fine. Do what?

2753
02:42:17,589 --> 02:42:19,599
Any questions? Any concerns?

2754
02:42:20,669 --> 02:42:22,349
No, sir. Hearing none.

2755
02:42:24,029 --> 02:42:27,699
May we have a motion to uh to
proceed?

2756
02:42:27,949 --> 02:42:30,232
Mr. Mayor, I move to approve
authorizing the city manager to

2757
02:42:30,299 --> 02:42:34,229
proceed with acquisition of property
required for waterline.

2758
02:42:35,229 --> 02:42:37,619
Motion by Mr. Smith, we have a
second.

2759
02:42:37,949 --> 02:42:40,789
Second. Second by Mr. Woolsey.

2760
02:42:40,899 --> 02:42:42,489
Any further discussion?

2761
02:42:44,119 --> 02:42:46,919
All in favor, please indicate by
saying aye.

2762
02:42:46,999 --> 02:42:48,769
Aye. Opposed no.

2763
02:42:49,569 --> 02:42:51,639
And the motion is approved.

2764
02:42:54,849 --> 02:42:57,432
Next item number nine is
appointments, confirm the city

2765
02:42:57,499 --> 02:43:02,789
manager's appointment to the Civil
Service Commission.

2766
02:43:03,279 --> 02:43:04,789
Do we have a motion?

2767
02:43:08,889 --> 02:43:10,532
Mayor, I move to approve the city
manager's appointment as

2768
02:43:10,599 --> 02:43:12,389
stated.

2769
02:43:13,996 --> 02:43:14,829
Do we have a second?

2770
02:43:14,896 --> 02:43:16,229
I'll second.

2771
02:43:23,539 --> 02:43:25,098
Mr. manager, do you have anything
that you'd like to

2772
02:43:25,165 --> 02:43:26,498
comment?

2773
02:43:26,739 --> 02:43:27,752
Oh, uh

2774
02:43:27,819 --> 02:43:32,132
course, Melissa Butler is the
individual that I we nominated.

2775
02:43:32,199 --> 02:43:34,732
And of course she has about 27 years
of experience in the legal

2776
02:43:34,799 --> 02:43:36,998
field, which we think

2777
02:43:37,065 --> 02:43:39,282
really will work well with the Civil
Service Commission.

2778
02:43:39,349 --> 02:43:41,222
Uh graduate, associate degree from uh

2779
02:43:41,289 --> 02:43:47,082
Navarro College, a bachelor's degree
from Texas A&M.

2780
02:43:47,149 --> 02:43:49,532
Uh and she's got uh she'd been
working there with the district

2781
02:43:49,599 --> 02:43:52,459
court for about 27 years.

2782
02:43:55,999 --> 02:43:58,089
Do we have a motion to approve?

2783
02:44:02,199 --> 02:44:04,639
We have it. That was discussion.

2784
02:44:05,499 --> 02:44:09,169
Mr. Woolsey makes the motion, a
second by Miss Johnson.

2785
02:44:12,869 --> 02:44:15,532
The motion is to approve the city
manager's appointment of

2786
02:44:15,599 --> 02:44:18,662
Miss Butler.

2787
02:44:18,729 --> 02:44:21,532
All in favor, please say aye. Aye.

2788
02:44:21,599 --> 02:44:22,652
Opposed no.

2789
02:44:22,719 --> 02:44:25,259
Motion carries.

2790
02:44:36,319 --> 02:44:39,222
Item number 11, miscellaneous
announcements.

2791
02:44:39,289 --> 02:44:43,632
Uh the only thing I have is National
Library Card week is uh

2792
02:44:43,699 --> 02:44:46,992
uh sign up month now.

2793
02:44:47,059 --> 02:44:50,732
And uh if you apply for a new card or
you currently have one,

2794
02:44:50,799 --> 02:44:56,959
visit the library and there'll be
some prizes available.

2795
02:44:57,579 --> 02:45:00,069
Anything else uh council?

2796
02:45:00,349 --> 02:45:03,032
I just want to thank the citizens of
course of Cana. Um,

2797
02:45:03,099 --> 02:45:06,049
Mayor Joe, thank you, Amy, thank you
for

2798
02:45:06,246 --> 02:45:11,392
your hard work this weekend, the
historical, uh, the East

2799
02:45:11,459 --> 02:45:16,362
neighborhood historical committee did
a tour of the churches

2800
02:45:16,429 --> 02:45:19,252
and precinct two and it was so
amazing. Uh we met at the

2801
02:45:19,319 --> 02:45:22,252
Legacy Park and we walked to the
historical churches and they got

2802
02:45:22,319 --> 02:45:23,922
a lot of history. We got a lot of
history.

2803
02:45:23,989 --> 02:45:30,542
And we just want to say it was a
great out, it was a really, really,

2804
02:45:30,609 --> 02:45:34,002
really good um, event that was put
on. So we appreciate it.

2805
02:45:34,069 --> 02:45:38,352
We have people coming, we actually
had a couple uh that came from

2806
02:45:38,419 --> 02:45:43,212
Houston. He got up at five with his
two daughters. They saw it on

2807
02:45:43,279 --> 02:45:46,522
Facebook and came down and did the
tour. Come to find out he had

2808
02:45:46,589 --> 02:45:49,379
family that was his grand his
grandmother and his mother is from

2809
02:45:49,999 --> 02:45:53,792
Corcana. And what was so nice, he is
considering moving to Corcana.

2810
02:45:53,859 --> 02:45:55,489
I think he did. Yeah.

2811
02:45:55,849 --> 02:45:56,872
Anything else?

2812
02:45:56,939 --> 02:45:59,659
[chair squeaking]

2813
02:46:00,289 --> 02:46:03,179
Uh, Mr. City manager, anything?

2814
02:46:04,129 --> 02:46:05,569
I don't have anything, no.

2815
02:46:06,389 --> 02:46:08,842
Having nothing else on our agenda,

2816
02:46:08,909 --> 02:46:11,069
we are adjourned.

2817
02:46:11,136 --> 02:46:11,969
Longest meeting ever.

2818
02:46:12,036 --> 02:46:13,232
[laughter]

2819
02:46:13,299 --> 02:46:14,132
Oh Jesus.