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Everybody.

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What's going on?

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I know, and you just.

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All right.
In order to find some administration,

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but Sarah went here this morning.

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That's all we will. Mister Cleveland.
Present. Mister Hardin. Present.

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Mister Jones. Here.
Mister Nasa is excused this morning.

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Mister Wallbower. Present. Mister McBower.
Here. Mister Nasa.

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So we have four sets of minutes to report
review.

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Does anybody have any correction to any
of those minutes?

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Hearing on, I will stand as it rules.

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Alright, go to committee updates.

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Regional Sports Council.

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Good morning, everybody.
Since our last meeting,

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I just want to give you a quick update.
We did finally finish the senior games

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events. They're done. We hosted croquet,
swimming,

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and power lifting over the last month.
And in total, we had 1,

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575 athletes here for senior games.

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We have a couple of upcoming events.
One is the National Collegiate Baseball

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Association Fall Tournament.
They've got 24 teams, I believe,

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that will be here towards the end of
October.

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We're hosting the Section 3 Girls Soccer
Championships at SUNY Cortland on

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November 1st.
We'll have six games going on.

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there.
And then we're hosting the girls New York

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State Public High School Athletic
Association Girls State Soccer

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Championships in the middle of November.
That takes place at Homer High School,

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Portland High School,
and Dryden High School this year,

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and then hopefully the championships at
SUNY Portland.

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We just finished a bid for girls lacrosse
that took about 40 days to pull that

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together.
And we gather everything from the hotels

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and the various venues.
And I'm happy to say that we won the bid,

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so we're interesting girls.

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Three years for the state championships,
yeah.

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It's important mainly because they've
never played anywhere else.

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So I don't want to be the one that loses
that bid.

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Hopefully whoever comes after me.
Good luck.

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We're also working on a bid for the girls
ice hockey regionals.

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This was something that was released and
we didn't have enough time to pull the

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information together because it happened
in June.

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But they sent it out for rebid.
Either they didn't get enough bids or

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they didn't like the bids that they got.
So they sent it out for rebid.

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And I've alerted them to the fact of
working bid on this.

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Everybody seems happy about that.
So I'm fairly confident this might be

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something that we'll get.
It'll take place in February.

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It's only a couple of days,
but it is something new and something

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different.

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for us.
And it also involves the JM and Downing

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Sports Complex that we generally don't
use a lot for our events.

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So it'll be a nice partnership there.

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And then one thing that we're working on,
and Melanie attended a meeting with me

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not too long ago,
but the pickup of hotel blocks by the TBR

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teams.
We were getting some information back

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from some of the hotels that they're a
little bit concerned about the pickup

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that's happening.
So we're working on trying to find out.

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exactly what is going on and how we can
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So the hotels block through the travel
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They block rooms for the various
tournaments this weekend,

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but the pickup isn't happening the way
that they, the reservations. Yeah, yeah,

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reservations, yeah.

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So we're just trying to delve into that a
little bit and kind of see what's going

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on.

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That's all I have. Wait, any questions?

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Thank you. Michelle. Good morning,
everyone. Good morning.

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My junior report was provided to Miss
Fishoff last week.

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We had already received it.
I'm sure you will get at some point.

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So that kind of dives into everything
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months.
But over the last couple of weeks since I

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last saw you, we

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set up at Pumpkin Fest,
which was for us very successful.

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We had a lot of people come to the tent.
It's primarily our way of pushing the

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curiosity trail.
It kind of lends to the demographic that

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comes over to the festival.
But we had a lot of interest this year,

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a lot of people knowing who we were,

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and really excited about the two events
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couple of weeks. Speaking of those,
we have our curiosity market this Sunday,

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so we are busy prepping for that.
While our event is happening on Saturday

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at the vault,
we've been pushing it as kind of a

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four-day curiosity.

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events with the hope in the future to
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experience.
So we've been encouraging our partners to

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put on their own events that kind of lend
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So we have a center for the.

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We have, umm,
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doing an event which is great.

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They got on board but they bring in a lot
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We have a couple restaurants and.

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Taking part as well.
So we've been pushing that as you know,

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encouraging people to come for not just
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And then on top of that,
we're also doing an event with the

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bookstore bookstore across the street
from us in a couple.

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Weeks. There's a book launch happening.

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We're very popular book series and so we
teamed up with them to do a book launch

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to encourage people to come to the
bookstore in the morning through

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lunchtime and grab their books,
which is kind of a different way to to

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get more traffic in downtown.

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And on top of that also this weekend,
right after the show wraps up on Saturday,

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I'm headed to Massachusetts for a travel
trade show on Sunday.

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To help push our winter activities,
so the scheme snowshoeing,

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anything that we have here in Portland.

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So busy weekend coming up.

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Thank you.

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I did send that report to all.

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Any any questions that we should?

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Thank you very much.

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Directory.

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Works and I don't remember to remember
2026 budget authorized purchases,

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unleaded gas visual fuel.

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We have a motion.

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Passage.

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And item number three,
authorizing agreement,

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mechanical and plumbing repair.

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I mean,
that's insulation and emergency services.

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We're an emotional well.
There are a second second.

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Can I leave for information?

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You're not saying why.

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OK.

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Item number four, I'll raise one.

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Move it.

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'S 7 aye aye.

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And I don't know authorize lease hanger
MH3 move it second.

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Discussion, I'll say aye, say aye.

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You want to check the number one.
Do you want to have 5 digits?

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All right, so I'd like to start with.

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Senator.

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I'd like to start with the closing.

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That was something that was sent to you
last week.

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There's another motion on the floor and I
hope that you will have a copy of that in

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front of you.

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Do you have any copy?

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Let's see if I can get that.

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Yeah, that's fine.

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So that you can hear.

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About the transfer right now so they can
share you what they've been working on

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with us for several months and some of
the research.

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And actually,
I'll really let Martin talk to the bulk

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of this work.
But as we've talked before about,

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you know,
changing the structure of how the grants

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go out and then in the county and support
together the the brief program on on how

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to do that.

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So I'll let her talk through the the
details of that. Thank you.

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So I think everyone has the draft
comments in the packet.

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So beginning 2027 accounting will take in
the administration of the tourism grant

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program and house.
I'm very excited about this opportunity

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to get a more direct role in
administration part of it.

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You know,
our goal with putting together this

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guidance you know is taking what was
working well,

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just making it more consistent.

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To the county creating more.

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There are scoring criteria,
administrative processes.

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And I'll walk through some of the major
changes that we did.

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So the proposed program has five funding
categories.

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Each is intended As for a different type
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The first is destination development and
community beautification,

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which supports projects that improve the
visitor experience and make our community

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more attractive, accessible and welcoming.

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The second is event marketing and
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which focuses on the development on.

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Developing and enhancing tourism.

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Oriented events in marking those events
for visitors outside of the county.

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The third is arts culture and historical
tourism development,

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which supports projects that showcase our
local arts, culture and history.

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Our 4th is out of county visitor market
development and growth.

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This category is intended for
organizations that are actively working

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to attract, grow,
retain visitors from outside Portland

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County with a stronger emphasis,
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Marketing strategy and measurable results
in our fifth category is new tourism,

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product development and tourism capital.

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This is intended for more larger,
more significant projects that introduce

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a new tourism experience or make up
substantial capital investment.

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Along with those categories,
another change is we're also expanding

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eligibility to improve minutes for
governments along with our eligible

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nonprofit organizations and community.

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Funding will vary per category,
with smaller awards available for

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Community level projects and larger
awards available for projects with

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greater scope and investment.

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Such as the capital improvement?

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Our application requirements will also be
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so smaller projects will not require as
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Data,
but capital projects will because it's

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larger investment.

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All applications and applications will be
asked to provide, you know,

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basic organizational information,
project description, a budget,

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and what they're anticipated towards.
And then if it is.

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Not all categories have much required
when there's larger investments being

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made, match will be required,
but there is guidance in there stating.

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What magic can be have just in kind and
cash are eligible?

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Another change is the application process
will be all electronic.

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In working with Chris from the planning
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who has been phenomenal he put together.

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A system through arc GIS.

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And we're currently test running and
making sure everything runs smoothly.

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It's going great and I really have to
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of it.

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For review, which we'll get to,
there will be a review panel consisting

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of five to seven people from the
community that will determine eligibility

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independent competitiveness that are
stated in the grant guidance or scoring

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criteria. There all in one to five scale.

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All applications will be scored with four
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but then each category has its own two
breakout score criteria based on who are

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the projects and it just makes it fit
better.

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The review panels responsibility will be
to make recommendations to the

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legislature and awards will be remaining
with awards will be made by the full

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legislature.

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Awards will be reimbursement based and
will cover about a one year performance

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period. However,
multi year agreements may be considered

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for larger projects such as the capital
development.

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Quarterly reports are meant to will be
required, but they're meant to be free.

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Just a few sentences just to let you know
where you are on your project. Umm,

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where you stand even if no reimbursement
is requested.

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Just let us know where your project is.

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And you know, I think most importantly,
we wanted this.

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Grant program to be accessible to all to
applicants,

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so we're hoping that's what we put
forward and I'm happy to take any

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feedback or questions.

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Things like that, there's.

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There's no.

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Can I ask also,
could you talk a little bit about the

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survey and did a little overview, so I?

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Been developing this.
We really looked at lots of other

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counties in New York State.
I think upwards of 30 some odd counties.

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To see, you know,
do they run the grant program?

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What size award do they offer?

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What categories do they offer?

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What are their requirements?

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Who do they offer it to?

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So things like that.

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And so this guidance is really reflection
of what we saw across New York State.

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And majority of other entities really
offer smaller awards.

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We wanted to expand that though.

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We know what the investment is and we
really want to see.

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New products and that was very evident
when we were talking to other counties,

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is trying to get, you know,
catalysts going of products.

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Yeah, I think if I recall correctly.

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That usually the top award is around 35,
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when we look at capital or we look at
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Sure,
my time is it close up there with 100 so.

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Correct anything else before I turn
through?

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I'm going to send you now to be a
distributor this year.

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So in the 27 budget looking about $300,
000 of Rans, dude. Yeah, it was 260,000.

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Mr.

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Grant awarded $300,000.

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To charity portions.

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I will be refusing myself from this
discussion because I sit on the Board of

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Directors and I am the Board of Directors
on the Executive Committee of that Board

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of Directors for one of the entities that
receives a significant amount of tourism

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funding.

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So for that matter, right?

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For ethics reasons,
deal with strong need to recuse myself

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from this discussion. And.

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Yes. So on the the approval process,
there will be a committee form that I

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don't see anything in here spelling out
who that committee would be with the make

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of the committee will be.

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Translation.

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Resolution. That's. That's the catalog.

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Here we go, OK.

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Well, that doesn't tell you.

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So.

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I appreciate the work, Morgan,
that you put into this at there.

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There's a lot in here that I really like,
but I do have a couple of of concerns or

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questions that I wanted to go through
first, starting with the.

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Maximum amount and if we look at the
report from the CBB on their page,

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12 of the report we can see that some
significant entities in Portland County

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like the Center for the Arts was awarded
$85,000.

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Portland Repertory Theatre was awarded 55,
000 with a new caps that are in place for

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these different things like the Category
4 market development at 35,000.

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Theater the arts is going to be out $50,
000 on what they're generally have been

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expecting for support of their work.

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So I'm really worried about those caps.

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What?
What went into coming up with those

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specific sorts of of numbers?

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So I think going back when we were,
you know,

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going around to see what other counties
were offering really the top amount was

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35, I think.

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Two other counties that I can think of.

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One was at 15.

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That was specifically for capital.

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One was in tokens,
which I think was about 100,000,

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but that was very rarely ever given out
in that full amount.

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So based on what we saw from other
counties,

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we try to implement that and with smaller
amounts, we're hoping to, you know.

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Be able to spread it, you know,
across to more entities.

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And, you know, produce more.

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Stories on things. Yeah, the 100,
000 for tourism and tokens was for

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Captain Food. Yeah, nothing.

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Propose any AUC.

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This is a competitive grant off this
normally given.

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This less than R and the.

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Proactive load, I can't.

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We're going to work as well as category.

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Category 5 arrivals even growing up there
are a category five or something like

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that.

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And we're happy to go after and also go
after Category 4, right?

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But that's only for category 5.

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Yeah,
an applicant can only accept for category

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five can only go after one category.

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And my worry, you know,
we're making some significant changes and

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I appreciate we're headed in a direction.

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Yeah, but we have an existing tourism.

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You know,
functioning here that we all sudden cut

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the Center for the arts $50,000.

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You know in their grants.

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I mean,
that's going to have a huge impact on.

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They can't even apply for that.

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You know,
if they apply for the tourism category

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for it,
they can't apply for any anywhere else

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and Max they can get is 35,000.

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In product development.

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That's in different.

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Yeah, they could.

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And I, you know,
I don't know what they necessarily would,

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but I, you know,
I could see where we're headed over time.

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But we need to be quite draconian in in
version one year one of.

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The caps that we're putting on place that
other counties have,

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I don't care what necessarily other
counties have or caps I care about,

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making sure that we're continuing to,
you know,

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offer great service here in Portland
continuing to attract.

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You know tourism.

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There's a lot in here that I like.
The new new development we're bringing on

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new things, but I do worry that, you know,
we're gonna some of our big organizations

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are gonna get crashed out in year one.
And I think we should give them time to

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develop and.

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Cause not only is that the cab at 35,000,
but they also have to match 50%.

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I mean, that's a big swing.

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30% of advertising dollars.

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I mean,
there's a lot of change all happening

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right at once, you know, within the next.

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Three months.

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To try to, you know,
change these organizations that have been

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used to dealing with us in a certain way
over the last decade or more.

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And I'm not saying we can't get there
eventually, but we need to be quite so.

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Phistic.

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Ated investment right, and we need to.

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Have 6%.

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Growth as a matter of 2.4%.

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So I mean, I would sit back and say,
are we making more investments?

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I don't know.

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I think there's a.

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Organizations created they deserve
support,

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but I think our effort is to actually,
hopefully create more of the learnings

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and particularly challenge those who are
in the business of attracting visitors to

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look at new products and see a lot of
productivity that come out of CRT more.

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Kind of brilliant. So I'm looking forward.

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So I I guess I would challenge you on
that and that's all great.

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But we're asking those organizations to
do that in three months,

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come up with new products,
find 100% match for these new products

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and all that sort of work and we've given
them now.

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Three months to to do that,
I question the ability for these for any

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organization to turn that quickly.

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Just trying to figure out how they're
gonna find those funds in the next three

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months.

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I'm not saying no longer term,
but you know Cognizant of 2027 and

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helping these organizations get through
the next year or so and then figure out

353
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from there,
you know what new stuff we wanna do.

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It also is an RFP and an RPO is gonna get
that one nonprofit.

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Replies to our people,
they don't necessarily wanna get it from

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where we are.

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And yes, we have their transition,
but I think that there's been this

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perception that somehow this isn't a
competitive branch.

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There is no guarantee that 100.

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So you're asking us, in a way, not to be.

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And I think that's interesting.

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I mean, right?

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I mean, this is a competitive process,
it has been.

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It has been a competitive process for 10
years,

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following the same sort of standards and
understanding.

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And now we're jumping in.
In the last minute,

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saying we're gonna switch the whole thing
up in three months,

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and you gotta you gotta find a 50% match.
Or if you're gonna create a new product,

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well, listen, 100% match.

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Reward at least 20% required in kind.

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Yeah, I mean that.

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I think that's a big change to ask the,
you know,

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ask organizations here in Portland County.

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We've I've been supportive of the change
to Oxley tax so that we can do more and I

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still believe that doing more.

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And expanding it makes a lot of sense.

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I just question the the need for.

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You know, building so fast, so quickly,
umm.

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But along the same lines I do question
like,

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why are we opening this up to
municipalities?

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Why? Why? Why?
We've got so many non profits here in

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Portland County that have looking for
funds that are doing very well.

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Why do we miss calories?

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Need to get?
You know high speed tax dollars.

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Why does the City of Portland need to
come and ask us for actually tax when

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they already take oxygen tax inside of
the city? So it like,

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00:30:04,384 --> 00:30:06,743
why are we opening it up to these allies?

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Any municipality can fly this,
and this can mean that what we're finding

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is acceptable.

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00:30:13,003 --> 00:30:14,443
But I think some of it deals with.

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Save money.

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00:30:15,073 --> 00:30:19,754
But they also need because I can see does
deal with infrastructure.

393
00:30:19,754 --> 00:30:22,233
I think some of that has to do with.

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Revitalizing main streets.

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00:30:25,353 --> 00:30:29,473
And that one,
there's other ways to go for it.

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I don't think that they would ever apply
for this, but that was, you know,

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this one.

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00:30:35,593 --> 00:30:36,873
I do have a question.

399
00:30:36,873 --> 00:30:41,359
I'm not trying to put you on the spot,
but with this, you know, committee,

400
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:43,273
I think this is a awesome thing.

401
00:30:44,393 --> 00:30:45,473
What's your suggestion?

402
00:30:48,583 --> 00:30:49,103
Correct what?

403
00:30:49,103 --> 00:30:49,663
I said I don't.

404
00:30:49,663 --> 00:30:51,103
I'm not putting on his father ring.

405
00:30:51,143 --> 00:30:55,012
I just want to know, you know,
the brainstorm wise to get us over this

406
00:30:55,012 --> 00:30:59,154
three month pump. If I can interrupt.
I don't know if it alleviates most of

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00:30:59,154 --> 00:30:59,863
your concern.

408
00:31:00,373 --> 00:31:04,453
Would it be terrible if you were one $50,
000 cap and then after that down 35?

409
00:31:04,453 --> 00:31:06,893
I mean, if that's your sticking point.

410
00:31:08,383 --> 00:31:14,338
My suggestion would be for year one or so
along those same lines was I would leave

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it to the committee to decide the award
amount.

412
00:31:19,583 --> 00:31:22,742
And not put a cap on it,
and not necessarily even have to match

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for the first year.
Give organizations the ability to kind of

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ease into this.

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00:31:26,543 --> 00:31:29,703
Figure that out and understand that in a
year in 2028.

416
00:31:30,523 --> 00:31:33,969
Now we're going to be having, you know,
different set of research 'cause it's

417
00:31:33,969 --> 00:31:35,163
still gonna be a committee.

418
00:31:35,163 --> 00:31:38,848
They're still gonna be able to decide,
just like the committee has always

419
00:31:38,848 --> 00:31:41,288
decided what the amount that they're
gonna wore.

420
00:31:41,288 --> 00:31:44,923
And we've seen that from somebody,
will apply for tax and they'll award.

421
00:31:44,923 --> 00:31:46,763
You know why sort of thing and that's
fine.

422
00:31:46,803 --> 00:31:51,587
Why not leave it up to that committee to
decide, at least for the first year,

423
00:31:51,587 --> 00:31:54,163
instead of having this hardened test rule?

424
00:31:55,783 --> 00:31:59,097
Michael,
I think it makes scoring much more

425
00:31:59,097 --> 00:32:00,303
straightforward.

426
00:32:00,693 --> 00:32:05,802
What it is spelled out in black and white,
and I I appreciate wanting to give the

427
00:32:05,802 --> 00:32:07,173
committee flexibility.

428
00:32:07,533 --> 00:32:09,013
I like the concept though.

429
00:32:10,663 --> 00:32:12,863
This, you know,
this is your short on these merits, right?

430
00:32:15,223 --> 00:32:15,263
I.

431
00:32:15,263 --> 00:32:17,879
I I see what you're saying.
If we were to get,

432
00:32:17,879 --> 00:32:21,887
if we were to take the CAP off,
I would want it certainly on the larger

433
00:32:21,887 --> 00:32:26,340
awards. Keep the match because you know,
I think that if we're gonna invest tax

434
00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:28,623
dollars, we also need to be committed to.

435
00:32:28,623 --> 00:32:29,543
Whatever we're investing in.

436
00:32:32,303 --> 00:32:32,463
OK.

437
00:32:37,493 --> 00:32:43,573
I think Mr. Harvey.

438
00:32:45,103 --> 00:32:51,800
I think he can cut the legs off of the
organizations who have done more for this

439
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,943
county in the last few years to bring.

440
00:32:56,583 --> 00:32:58,303
Tourism in and are still doing that.

441
00:32:58,783 --> 00:33:00,703
They've already proven themselves.

442
00:33:00,903 --> 00:33:02,823
It's just like micro enterprise.

443
00:33:02,863 --> 00:33:06,106
We might give that 35,
000 to someone who's got a new idea and

444
00:33:06,106 --> 00:33:07,703
they'll walk out on their face.

445
00:33:08,293 --> 00:33:14,641
These are organizations and CRT is not
the only one that have continually

446
00:33:14,641 --> 00:33:21,333
already started new things and brought
people in and they cut their legs off.

447
00:33:22,823 --> 00:33:23,143
I don't see it.

448
00:33:24,863 --> 00:33:30,533
So as I remind people,
the growth rate for Frosin last year is .

449
00:33:30,533 --> 00:33:34,023
6 and this is we already had that right.

450
00:33:34,743 --> 00:33:37,546
I mean,
I understand this morning that I think we

451
00:33:37,546 --> 00:33:41,023
need to sit down and ask yourselves
exactly what is going on.

452
00:33:42,093 --> 00:33:45,413
Remember the investments we're making are
sure getting much better return.

453
00:33:46,983 --> 00:33:47,543
S so.

454
00:33:49,063 --> 00:33:53,337
But I think when Mr.
Harding has propositional on the table

455
00:33:53,337 --> 00:33:57,397
that we should consider having known
limit and Mr. Said,

456
00:33:57,397 --> 00:33:59,463
would you consider different?

457
00:33:59,943 --> 00:34:03,378
So I think that's the discussion as at
the moment,

458
00:34:03,378 --> 00:34:08,903
whether it be affected $1000 limit for
the first year or understanding that only.

459
00:34:10,743 --> 00:34:10,943
After.

460
00:34:15,513 --> 00:34:16,433
Try either way.

461
00:34:17,743 --> 00:34:19,343
Either way,
I'm fine with all three options.

462
00:34:19,743 --> 00:34:21,103
Whatever gets this thing through.

463
00:34:25,853 --> 00:34:25,933
No.

464
00:34:28,683 --> 00:34:30,923
I'm thinking about it.

465
00:34:30,923 --> 00:34:36,003
I don't have an argument against
Department's suggesting.

466
00:34:37,543 --> 00:34:45,172
So what I'm thinking the argument is it's
a change the date of implementation in

467
00:34:45,172 --> 00:34:50,823
2028, because the agencies,
nonprofits time to react to it.

468
00:34:50,823 --> 00:34:52,423
I'm not against it.

469
00:34:52,903 --> 00:34:56,023
That's,
I think what you were saying primarily.

470
00:34:56,063 --> 00:34:59,983
But no, primarily I'm.
I'm fine with going forward with the

471
00:34:59,983 --> 00:35:02,663
program for the 2027. It's just the caps.

472
00:35:03,053 --> 00:35:08,225
For 20.72,
pull those back until 2028 to give them

473
00:35:08,225 --> 00:35:08,733
time.

474
00:35:09,013 --> 00:35:13,133
It was enough changing with scoring,
different category.

475
00:35:13,133 --> 00:35:14,973
There's a lot in here already.

476
00:35:15,013 --> 00:35:19,569
I would just my recommendation is just
remove the caps for 2027,

477
00:35:19,569 --> 00:35:22,093
leave it to the committee to decide.

478
00:35:23,543 --> 00:35:27,143
Knowing that in 2028 when the new program
comes around, there will be, you know,

479
00:35:27,143 --> 00:35:29,098
apps,
this will give all the organizations,

480
00:35:29,098 --> 00:35:32,743
all the nonprofits who want to apply an
opportunity to see what the full program.

481
00:35:34,013 --> 00:35:36,453
And you know,
start to make adjustments through.

482
00:35:36,453 --> 00:35:42,913
That's my you still only have the 300,000.
So depending on how many applications are

483
00:35:42,913 --> 00:35:45,573
put in, you still have a dispersed.

484
00:35:45,573 --> 00:35:47,630
You know,
the community's always done right.

485
00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:49,733
If there's gonna be a cap. Yeah.
There it is.

486
00:35:49,733 --> 00:35:50,693
There it is.

487
00:35:50,693 --> 00:35:52,213
And the committee's always decided.

488
00:35:53,903 --> 00:35:56,503
And we they can see what the guidelines
generally are.

489
00:35:56,503 --> 00:35:59,543
I'm just saying, you know,
it's not a professional run.

490
00:35:59,623 --> 00:36:04,383
It's well, there's 300,
000 what we've been given.

491
00:36:04,813 --> 00:36:06,013
No, we get 260.

492
00:36:07,503 --> 00:36:10,783
26260 So we're cutting 50,260.

493
00:36:11,423 --> 00:36:14,343
We're adding. It's gonna be even more.

494
00:36:17,973 --> 00:36:18,973
So no, Catherine.

495
00:36:22,983 --> 00:36:23,143
OK.

496
00:36:23,143 --> 00:36:23,463
Thank you.

497
00:36:25,503 --> 00:36:29,583
So this year we're really having a really.

498
00:36:31,143 --> 00:36:36,144
1000 categories.
This is great to do so because there's

499
00:36:36,144 --> 00:36:38,823
some small organizations that.

500
00:36:40,343 --> 00:36:44,783
Shouldn't have gotten so necessarily to
be able to introduce it, if I may though.

501
00:36:46,493 --> 00:36:48,413
That's gonna be based on the award, right?

502
00:36:48,413 --> 00:36:52,257
So if we're giving 5000 short,
there's no data there's.

503
00:36:52,257 --> 00:36:56,306
But if with no cap in there category,
we're giving 50,000,

504
00:36:56,306 --> 00:36:59,533
we're gonna need the data and reporting,
yeah.

505
00:37:01,903 --> 00:37:03,183
And we're about to match.

506
00:37:03,263 --> 00:37:05,343
Yeah, OK. The match is still.

507
00:37:08,063 --> 00:37:11,571
So maybe instead of no,
maybe instead of putting in the guidance,

508
00:37:11,571 --> 00:37:11,943
we can.

509
00:37:14,533 --> 00:37:20,795
Say expected I want to give them some
expectation that you can't get $50,

510
00:37:20,795 --> 00:37:22,573
000 with no data, OK?

511
00:37:22,573 --> 00:37:25,722
I'm fine for it. I mean,
I think we don't keep the categories in

512
00:37:25,722 --> 00:37:26,013
place.

513
00:37:26,013 --> 00:37:28,333
We just don't want to have associated.

514
00:37:29,783 --> 00:37:32,645
With that,
so that the committee will have to look,

515
00:37:32,645 --> 00:37:36,939
look at what we're waiting for applicants
they have just the quality of those

516
00:37:36,939 --> 00:37:40,903
applications and then judge how they roll
together the awards and such.

517
00:37:42,773 --> 00:37:45,639
So I mean,
I think that's what we need to do, OK.

518
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:47,933
And that the criteria would still apply.

519
00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:52,613
So if we're trying to develop, yeah,
we'll have to modify it implementing the

520
00:37:52,613 --> 00:37:53,093
program.

521
00:37:53,373 --> 00:37:54,973
Yeah, you're just removing the care.

522
00:37:54,973 --> 00:37:57,453
You're just removing the cap, everything.

523
00:38:01,823 --> 00:38:07,023
Is the amount because in here on page one
it says the amount is 342,000.

524
00:38:07,103 --> 00:38:09,223
Do we know what the actual amount?

525
00:38:09,223 --> 00:38:10,263
Yeah, it is.

526
00:38:12,613 --> 00:38:14,693
Yeah, 3000 you did OK.

527
00:38:14,693 --> 00:38:17,053
You should update this then to reflect
really well.

528
00:38:20,013 --> 00:38:25,639
And I, yeah, I did talk about the match,
but you know, in the spirit of compromise,

529
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:28,453
the CAP was the most important. Yeah, for.

530
00:38:30,343 --> 00:38:30,983
But I did want to ask.

531
00:38:31,903 --> 00:38:33,663
Just continuing to dig through.

532
00:38:33,663 --> 00:38:36,924
Just get so I understand the specifics.
So on eligibility #4,

533
00:38:36,924 --> 00:38:40,607
I've already talked about my reticence
about in this book governance,

534
00:38:40,607 --> 00:38:44,343
but I I can kind of see why they would,
we would want to open that up.

535
00:38:44,743 --> 00:38:46,903
It says recognize as a tax exempt under
section.

536
00:38:47,213 --> 00:38:53,460
50 C Three are there other categories of
tax exemption that potentially should

537
00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:54,093
qualify?

538
00:38:54,373 --> 00:38:55,573
C3 is very specific.

539
00:38:55,573 --> 00:38:58,400
There's like five of four I'm not making
exalt,

540
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,760
but there are other ones that are are
that we have nonprofits in Portland

541
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,647
County,
but they're a slightly different version

542
00:39:05,647 --> 00:39:06,413
of nonprofit.

543
00:39:06,413 --> 00:39:10,333
But there's still a not-for-profit or
just not AC 3.

544
00:39:10,533 --> 00:39:11,973
The current designation.

545
00:39:13,783 --> 00:39:13,943
OK.

546
00:39:13,943 --> 00:39:19,036
So if you're saying are there other tax
reservations that we could be into that

547
00:39:19,036 --> 00:39:21,583
you'll have a portable on on one, right?

548
00:39:22,103 --> 00:39:26,903
Maybe we could go back and check.
Did Andrew do you?

549
00:39:28,943 --> 00:39:30,143
Have financing for that.

550
00:39:30,143 --> 00:39:36,023
I think that's my most organizations
don't do donations anything besides 501C3.

551
00:39:36,023 --> 00:39:39,127
Yeah,
because they have the ability to lobby

552
00:39:39,127 --> 00:39:42,783
for campaign,
and I'm not looking to open it up for.

553
00:39:43,133 --> 00:39:45,733
You know, libel action,
that sort of stuff.

554
00:39:45,733 --> 00:39:49,608
I just wanted to make sure that we
weren't inadvertently excluded

555
00:39:49,608 --> 00:39:52,602
inadvertently excluding the chunk of our
you know,

556
00:39:52,602 --> 00:39:55,773
like is family counseling potentially as
a nonprofit.

557
00:39:55,773 --> 00:39:57,733
I don't know what their number definition
is or others.

558
00:39:57,733 --> 00:40:02,460
Yeah, there are other numbers.
And even like card bugs have a movie,

559
00:40:02,460 --> 00:40:03,693
TV bugs have them.

560
00:40:03,693 --> 00:40:07,682
I certainly wouldn't wanna.
I think if I were on 3C is the way to say

561
00:40:07,682 --> 00:40:07,853
OK.

562
00:40:07,853 --> 00:40:10,893
Well, like 5O1C, fours are civic leagues.

563
00:40:11,623 --> 00:40:14,183
Local associations of employees and
social welfare organizations.

564
00:40:17,943 --> 00:40:21,583
Yeah, and. And they develop, you know,
trails and they do other things.

565
00:40:21,583 --> 00:40:24,294
So then again,
This is why I was a little just we could

566
00:40:24,294 --> 00:40:28,313
take go back and take a look at that and
just make sure that we're not potentially

567
00:40:28,313 --> 00:40:32,042
excluding a group that is interested in
really helping to promote tourism or

568
00:40:32,042 --> 00:40:32,623
things like.

569
00:40:34,183 --> 00:40:42,663
The only other question I had then sorry
I know keep going on.

570
00:40:45,743 --> 00:40:48,863
One applicant per section.
Unless you're doing a new product.

571
00:40:51,153 --> 00:40:57,593
To get one shot at your award,
is there a reason we want to limit it or?

572
00:40:59,103 --> 00:41:03,521
Potentially an organization, say,
you know we want to develop a trail and

573
00:41:03,521 --> 00:41:07,939
we want to have a an event or something
like that that will qualify under

574
00:41:07,939 --> 00:41:11,103
different.
Is there a reason to limit it to just one

575
00:41:11,103 --> 00:41:14,446
applicant per work?
Looking at what other counties did,

576
00:41:14,446 --> 00:41:15,223
there's only.

577
00:41:15,293 --> 00:41:17,477
And really,
if you that offer this many categories

578
00:41:17,477 --> 00:41:19,533
and they would only allow you to apply
for one.

579
00:41:19,933 --> 00:41:21,293
So just going based off that.

580
00:41:24,503 --> 00:41:24,703
OK.

581
00:41:24,703 --> 00:41:26,263
I'm willing to go forward.

582
00:41:26,263 --> 00:41:28,925
It'd be great to get some feedback as we
go through this process.

583
00:41:28,925 --> 00:41:30,983
We're going to set up, you know,
is that an issue?

584
00:41:30,983 --> 00:41:31,863
I mean, there was an amazing.

585
00:41:33,863 --> 00:41:39,165
Plan at the same time? Well. And you know,
so we want to make sure that in May when

586
00:41:39,165 --> 00:41:41,943
they apply,
they're not applying for all 5.

587
00:41:42,463 --> 00:41:43,903
Seeing which one sticks.

588
00:41:44,143 --> 00:41:45,623
Yeah, especially when you're looking at.

589
00:41:47,013 --> 00:41:52,733
All match the because now it's like you.
You approve these, you actually can.

590
00:41:52,733 --> 00:41:54,453
You match it or or whatever.

591
00:41:54,453 --> 00:41:56,773
I think that's one of my confidence.

592
00:41:56,773 --> 00:42:03,973
Did that where it was one reason to one
spread it and also if you give them the

593
00:42:03,973 --> 00:42:06,853
the opportunity to successfully.

594
00:42:08,383 --> 00:42:09,343
Get that done.

595
00:42:09,343 --> 00:42:10,583
You know that audio?

596
00:42:10,583 --> 00:42:14,830
And then sorry, one last point,
I just wanted to look at in the payment

597
00:42:14,830 --> 00:42:18,546
reimbursement and I know we've probably
done this in the past,

598
00:42:18,546 --> 00:42:22,263
but it says grant funds are provided on a
reimbursement basis.

599
00:42:24,693 --> 00:42:27,493
For a new organization getting off the
ground to do something.

600
00:42:29,503 --> 00:42:30,543
That, you know, could be.

601
00:42:32,223 --> 00:42:37,204
Prohibitive in how to actually like so
start something to then you know,

602
00:42:37,204 --> 00:42:41,503
move something forward.
If if everything has to be reimbursed.

603
00:42:41,503 --> 00:42:45,337
I know that's the general standard,
but we're trying to promote new things

604
00:42:45,337 --> 00:42:48,456
for new organizations,
new groups that want to do something.

605
00:42:48,456 --> 00:42:51,473
They have to have that seed money and
then get reimbursed.

606
00:42:51,473 --> 00:42:53,263
And that can be doubly challenging.

607
00:42:53,263 --> 00:42:54,663
We did think about that.

608
00:42:55,373 --> 00:42:59,033
Each contract will have a different
reimbursement schedule to hopefully

609
00:42:59,033 --> 00:43:02,693
alleviate that to see how frequent they
are anticipating reimbursement.

610
00:43:04,423 --> 00:43:06,383
Didn't consider that as a factor.

611
00:43:08,063 --> 00:43:11,797
So another thing I'd like to put on the
list for you know,

612
00:43:11,797 --> 00:43:16,101
feedback as we implement,
does that preclude some organizations who

613
00:43:16,101 --> 00:43:21,228
they just can't get started and could be
maybe in future years look to like make

614
00:43:21,228 --> 00:43:25,343
some adjustments like will grant a
percentage upfront with a re?

615
00:43:25,743 --> 00:43:27,183
Schedule to go later or something.

616
00:43:28,373 --> 00:43:30,213
Thank you for indulging me on that one.

617
00:43:31,213 --> 00:43:33,733
So I'm just going to thank you.

618
00:43:36,453 --> 00:43:37,093
Anything else?

619
00:43:37,093 --> 00:43:38,253
People remember.

620
00:43:41,593 --> 00:43:44,153
OK, I want to go back to January please.

621
00:43:45,983 --> 00:43:49,428
And item number one,
resolution designated or Review Committee

622
00:43:49,428 --> 00:43:51,343
for county administrative programs.

623
00:43:52,983 --> 00:43:53,303
Clean motion.

624
00:43:54,823 --> 00:43:55,383
One second.

625
00:43:59,143 --> 00:43:59,543
Discussion.

626
00:44:02,913 --> 00:44:07,090
So in the last whereas clause,
in the third resolve clause,

627
00:44:07,090 --> 00:44:10,433
it says no elected official of Cortland
County.

628
00:44:10,953 --> 00:44:16,556
My question is, is it of Cortland County,
which means this body or should it be no

629
00:44:16,556 --> 00:44:21,687
elected official in Portland County
precluding all elected officials across

630
00:44:21,687 --> 00:44:23,713
the county cannot participate?

631
00:44:25,183 --> 00:44:28,157
They are the oven in are two important
distinctions,

632
00:44:28,157 --> 00:44:32,143
and I would suggest that it should be no
elected official in Portland.

633
00:44:32,533 --> 00:44:34,933
How do you remember this connection?

634
00:44:37,693 --> 00:44:41,453
That wasn't the account, but yeah,
way to do that.

635
00:44:41,453 --> 00:44:42,773
Just wanna make sure, yeah.

636
00:44:43,333 --> 00:44:46,573
And then the other question would be the
term of one year.

637
00:44:49,023 --> 00:44:51,463
Seems awfully quick.

638
00:44:52,103 --> 00:44:54,913
I mean,
most of these other boards that we

639
00:44:54,913 --> 00:45:00,141
established have a bit of a longer term
for members of that committee to get in

640
00:45:00,141 --> 00:45:05,631
understand is there a reason we wanted to
make it essentially one shot deal for one

641
00:45:05,631 --> 00:45:08,703
year moment.
I think the attack was with each.

642
00:45:08,703 --> 00:45:09,063
Application.

643
00:45:09,453 --> 00:45:10,053
Period.

644
00:45:13,503 --> 00:45:16,583
But I don't think there's nothing insane
people.

645
00:45:16,583 --> 00:45:16,663
There's not a standing.

646
00:45:16,663 --> 00:45:17,823
There isn't a standing room.

647
00:45:18,543 --> 00:45:21,183
Yeah.
Gathered together to actually review.

648
00:45:23,223 --> 00:45:28,415
But it is kind of standing work because
this is for all for a review committee,

649
00:45:28,415 --> 00:45:31,271
for any grant program,
like for enterprise,

650
00:45:31,271 --> 00:45:33,543
Oxy tax and whatever else comes up.

651
00:45:33,543 --> 00:45:36,903
And then it's kind of standing to be only
meet.

652
00:45:39,223 --> 00:45:40,063
A couple of times a year.

653
00:45:40,933 --> 00:45:43,925
So,
similar to the Tourism Review Committee

654
00:45:43,925 --> 00:45:48,890
that was previously established when we
were appointing the legislators,

655
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:53,923
it was on the annual term and it was
members of the Chamber who typically

656
00:45:53,923 --> 00:45:57,732
switch over.
So it was people who had a interest in it,

657
00:45:57,732 --> 00:45:59,773
who would know what was going.

658
00:45:59,773 --> 00:46:03,697
On in the community,
but may not still be in that position,

659
00:46:03,697 --> 00:46:05,333
or there may be turnover.

660
00:46:06,103 --> 00:46:08,903
So you're still gonna wait,
the county administrator and grant

661
00:46:08,903 --> 00:46:10,503
administrator would take people who?

662
00:46:11,213 --> 00:46:15,133
Would have a vested interest,
but may not always be the same people.

663
00:46:15,333 --> 00:46:19,584
Yeah, in the situation of same,
people typically get reappointed year

664
00:46:19,584 --> 00:46:20,253
after year.

665
00:46:21,903 --> 00:46:26,103
Isn't there a little thing in there that
was on the board that you?

666
00:46:27,463 --> 00:46:30,257
Yeah,
they have to recuse themselves that they

667
00:46:30,257 --> 00:46:31,863
even have a interest in it.

668
00:46:33,903 --> 00:46:36,543
Yeah. So.

669
00:46:38,303 --> 00:46:41,983
I would go on that too.
I think when you're on.

670
00:46:42,933 --> 00:46:48,195
Aboard you learn every year and you have
a history or what didn't work and what

671
00:46:48,195 --> 00:46:48,853
they were.

672
00:46:49,373 --> 00:46:51,653
So I think ruin your terminals too short.

673
00:46:53,943 --> 00:46:56,022
For this committee,
because there may be a couple of

674
00:46:56,022 --> 00:46:58,651
different committees on,
because you have other grants coming that

675
00:46:58,651 --> 00:47:00,143
may have nothing to do with terrorism.

676
00:47:00,743 --> 00:47:02,383
So that's the issue.

677
00:47:02,383 --> 00:47:05,623
The issue here is to establish a grand
committee process.

678
00:47:05,743 --> 00:47:08,225
It's less about being a specific
committee,

679
00:47:08,225 --> 00:47:11,103
but more establishing the grant committee
process.

680
00:47:11,653 --> 00:47:15,952
Why would you call members of the
Community in to give us, you know,

681
00:47:15,952 --> 00:47:17,573
feedback on our rates, OK.

682
00:47:17,573 --> 00:47:22,893
So it's not necessarily this tourism,
it's it's a, it's a more general.

683
00:47:24,263 --> 00:47:25,543
Can we speak to that more?

684
00:47:25,543 --> 00:47:28,383
I think you just hit it on the head of,
you know we.

685
00:47:30,293 --> 00:47:32,879
I don't think it's necessarily about
learning the history,

686
00:47:32,879 --> 00:47:34,413
because that process will be there.

687
00:47:34,973 --> 00:47:37,421
You know,
they're really just the scoring criteria

688
00:47:37,421 --> 00:47:37,853
is there?

689
00:47:37,853 --> 00:47:39,253
They really just have to follow along.

690
00:47:39,253 --> 00:47:40,373
There's no, you know.

691
00:47:42,093 --> 00:47:45,213
Resume needed to understand how to scorn
them.

692
00:47:45,373 --> 00:47:49,113
What were their?
What you have in conceivably different

693
00:47:49,113 --> 00:47:52,453
could have different committees too,
couldn't it?

694
00:47:52,453 --> 00:47:55,453
I mean for for different grants depending
on different.

695
00:47:56,863 --> 00:47:57,983
Potentially, yeah.

696
00:47:58,023 --> 00:48:01,377
That's not what's.
But that's not what's actually in the

697
00:48:01,377 --> 00:48:02,143
text of this.

698
00:48:02,143 --> 00:48:05,373
Yeah.
We're establishing the Grant Review

699
00:48:05,373 --> 00:48:06,143
committee.

700
00:48:06,183 --> 00:48:08,743
Yeah, Grant review committee.
It's for all grants.

701
00:48:08,743 --> 00:48:09,583
Yeah, it's a committee.

702
00:48:10,333 --> 00:48:12,973
It's not multiple communities for each
different brand.

703
00:48:12,973 --> 00:48:15,733
Yeah. Yeah, no,
I understand what you said.

704
00:48:17,423 --> 00:48:19,962
When I saw one year I didn't like it
either.

705
00:48:19,962 --> 00:48:23,518
I think it was back that people can get
reappointed, you know,

706
00:48:23,518 --> 00:48:24,703
and other big things.

707
00:48:24,703 --> 00:48:28,314
It's hard to get people commit to any of
this stuff, and you know,

708
00:48:28,314 --> 00:48:32,303
people ask me to be on boards or
committees and, you know, it's one year.

709
00:48:32,303 --> 00:48:33,903
Yeah, I can do that right then.

710
00:48:33,903 --> 00:48:35,783
Maybe it'll come back for another year,
but.

711
00:48:36,213 --> 00:48:37,853
You start putting longer terms in there.

712
00:48:37,853 --> 00:48:42,874
It's just I I I think the one year's
practical functional people can get

713
00:48:42,874 --> 00:48:43,493
replaced.

714
00:48:45,173 --> 00:48:49,338
Micro enterprise.
I know the stipulations and the

715
00:48:49,338 --> 00:48:53,253
requirements of that change almost every
year.

716
00:48:53,253 --> 00:48:57,828
So having the review committee not be the
same may be beneficial because they may

717
00:48:57,828 --> 00:49:02,347
remember what their requirements were the
year before and be looking at that and

718
00:49:02,347 --> 00:49:06,253
they're completely different because of
the state changed everything.

719
00:49:09,823 --> 00:49:16,883
So the other concern bit I have here is
that in the past when we've done these

720
00:49:16,883 --> 00:49:19,743
committees, the legislature has.

721
00:49:21,383 --> 00:49:23,983
Proved who's gonna be a member of those
committees?

722
00:49:23,983 --> 00:49:25,183
We've had oversight.

723
00:49:27,023 --> 00:49:29,778
This is the first time for any of our
committees.

724
00:49:29,778 --> 00:49:32,423
We are completely devolving our
responsibility.

725
00:49:33,253 --> 00:49:37,768
We have no oversight,
no responsibility as a legislature on the

726
00:49:37,768 --> 00:49:43,270
members of the committee functioning and
for every other committee and group,

727
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:44,893
we always give a point.

728
00:49:46,463 --> 00:49:49,183
And I'm worried about losing the
oversight.

729
00:49:49,183 --> 00:49:52,826
I'm fine if the administrator brings
forward, you know,

730
00:49:52,826 --> 00:49:58,031
does the group brings forward a slate,
but us having no oversight at all on the

731
00:49:58,031 --> 00:49:59,463
committee is worrying.

732
00:50:00,093 --> 00:50:03,120
Is it's the first one where we've totally
developed a responsibility,

733
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,672
although they aren't only giving us
recommendations on it,

734
00:50:05,672 --> 00:50:07,748
it's completely up to,
I think they were worse.

735
00:50:07,748 --> 00:50:08,613
If I had two things.

736
00:50:08,613 --> 00:50:12,373
One it it was specifically worded as a
committee and not a formal report.

737
00:50:13,943 --> 00:50:17,770
And that was after going through the
micro enterprise guidance because that's

738
00:50:17,770 --> 00:50:21,303
stricter than our own of it does not need
to be a formal report of the.

739
00:50:23,343 --> 00:50:26,325
Second thing was to try and put some
distance between those that were scoring

740
00:50:26,325 --> 00:50:27,663
and then those that were approving.

741
00:50:28,223 --> 00:50:28,903
I'm fine either way.

742
00:50:28,903 --> 00:50:29,903
That is the more traditional.

743
00:50:30,413 --> 00:50:33,823
Process,
but I thought was the the logic behind it

744
00:50:33,823 --> 00:50:39,173
so so then quick question for you then is
would this scoring that we're having?

745
00:50:42,023 --> 00:50:47,186
What you're saying it would be a huge,
great thing. We have 25 applicants,

746
00:50:47,186 --> 00:50:49,183
30 applicants coming in here.

747
00:50:50,903 --> 00:50:52,103
Is this advisory committee?

748
00:50:53,823 --> 00:50:57,151
Are they going to pick and choose there
of what they recommend,

749
00:50:57,151 --> 00:51:01,103
or are they just the scoring people and
say now it's up to the legislature?

750
00:51:02,273 --> 00:51:06,982
I think they'll score each application
and those that ring highest and put forth

751
00:51:06,982 --> 00:51:10,005
recommendation.
That way you know there is actual a

752
00:51:10,005 --> 00:51:13,435
number attached to each application,
what their score was,

753
00:51:13,435 --> 00:51:16,633
and those were the highest score are most
competitive.

754
00:51:16,703 --> 00:51:19,823
They hit all the Marks and I'll be
reported to the legislature.

755
00:51:21,633 --> 00:51:24,753
Just to score. Yeah, that's it.

756
00:51:28,483 --> 00:51:28,763
Right.

757
00:51:30,503 --> 00:51:32,623
It is kind of a weird thing because.

758
00:51:34,153 --> 00:51:37,353
Committee or I mean that is obviously the.

759
00:51:39,673 --> 00:51:40,033
Decisions.

760
00:51:41,753 --> 00:51:42,633
So next question.

761
00:51:44,433 --> 00:51:45,273
Hypothetically.

762
00:51:47,233 --> 00:51:51,433
If if there was something with this
advisory committee that.

763
00:51:53,233 --> 00:51:53,873
Is I don't know.

764
00:51:55,513 --> 00:51:56,793
Something that we wouldn't want.

765
00:51:58,433 --> 00:51:59,953
Who releases them?

766
00:52:00,263 --> 00:52:01,143
From that committee.

767
00:52:03,553 --> 00:52:05,433
I'm just saying that there is something
that.

768
00:52:07,153 --> 00:52:09,593
I'm just saying that there is something
that is really wonky.

769
00:52:11,473 --> 00:52:11,793
For a committee member.

770
00:52:13,873 --> 00:52:17,513
Who is the one that people say we don't?

771
00:52:17,513 --> 00:52:19,873
You know,
you're you're doing these things.

772
00:52:20,553 --> 00:52:22,113
Ethics kick in or whatever.

773
00:52:23,833 --> 00:52:25,433
We don't want you on here anymore.

774
00:52:25,793 --> 00:52:27,233
Who? Who gives that direction?

775
00:52:28,673 --> 00:52:29,833
Is that legislator?

776
00:52:36,353 --> 00:52:37,473
I didn't bring this forward.

777
00:52:37,473 --> 00:52:39,553
I didn't understand this story.

778
00:52:40,993 --> 00:52:44,311
Yes, but at the same time,
the legislature oversaw the ultimate

779
00:52:44,311 --> 00:52:45,193
authority, right?

780
00:52:45,193 --> 00:52:49,592
So I think what your saying is if we find
that that there's there's reason to

781
00:52:49,592 --> 00:52:52,356
question the way in which people score,
do that.

782
00:52:52,356 --> 00:52:57,094
It seems to me what my understanding also
is that they're only appointed for a year

783
00:52:57,094 --> 00:52:57,433
or so.

784
00:52:58,193 --> 00:53:01,233
But what happens in the year itself?

785
00:53:01,943 --> 00:53:04,103
Something's always alive. It's like.

786
00:53:06,033 --> 00:53:10,193
Then at that point I assume the counting
was over.

787
00:53:10,193 --> 00:53:15,609
And yeah,
it's usually our organizational is where

788
00:53:15,609 --> 00:53:19,433
we reappoint or whatever boards and.

789
00:53:21,193 --> 00:53:22,273
Just it was just curious.

790
00:53:23,993 --> 00:53:24,673
I've accused myself.

791
00:53:24,953 --> 00:53:28,838
My question is not about the the nature
of of the committee itself.

792
00:53:28,838 --> 00:53:32,553
It's appointed clarification because it's
a committee appointed.

793
00:53:32,823 --> 00:53:37,775
By the but whose numbers are appointed by
the administrator,

794
00:53:37,775 --> 00:53:42,321
does that mean that it is subject to open
meetings law,

795
00:53:42,321 --> 00:53:46,543
or does that not mean a subject totally
subject OK.

796
00:53:48,633 --> 00:53:52,687
So this would be similar to what the
tourism marketing group previously did,

797
00:53:52,687 --> 00:53:56,952
because the tourism marketing group only
had two legislators that were appointed

798
00:53:56,952 --> 00:53:57,953
by the legislature.

799
00:53:57,953 --> 00:54:00,713
The rest of the group was not appointed
by the legislature.

800
00:54:01,443 --> 00:54:07,306
It was just like the designation of the
group was made-up by Members that were

801
00:54:07,306 --> 00:54:08,123
delineated.

802
00:54:09,593 --> 00:54:10,233
By the legislature.

803
00:54:10,233 --> 00:54:14,593
So it did state that two members had to
be chamber members and so on and so forth.

804
00:54:14,993 --> 00:54:20,682
But the actual membership of who sat on
that board did not come out of the

805
00:54:20,682 --> 00:54:21,593
legislature.

806
00:54:22,233 --> 00:54:23,913
So it's very similar to that.

807
00:54:25,673 --> 00:54:29,753
And then the full recommendation came
forward to the legislature.

808
00:54:29,753 --> 00:54:30,353
The legislature.

809
00:54:30,743 --> 00:54:33,545
Had all of the list, the applications,
everything.

810
00:54:33,545 --> 00:54:37,555
If you don't like what comes forward,
you can always on the floor of the

811
00:54:37,555 --> 00:54:40,303
legislature and say no,
I don't like that choice.

812
00:54:40,303 --> 00:54:41,583
We're gonna switch this out.

813
00:54:41,583 --> 00:54:44,383
We're gonna award this, like,
change it all out.

814
00:54:44,663 --> 00:54:45,863
Very similar to.

815
00:54:49,263 --> 00:54:51,823
Without ideas and the legislators setting
themselves.

816
00:54:55,973 --> 00:55:01,063
I'm feeling more comfortable going
forward as long as we are sure that no

817
00:55:01,063 --> 00:55:03,333
elected official in Portland can.

818
00:55:04,593 --> 00:55:10,243
Appreciate the explanations and and I do
think that the final the 2nd to the final

819
00:55:10,243 --> 00:55:11,673
result was covers it.

820
00:55:11,673 --> 00:55:15,193
Which means any recommendations,
as they always do.

821
00:55:15,233 --> 00:55:17,489
Yeah,
it finally has to come to the legendary

822
00:55:17,489 --> 00:55:17,833
report.

823
00:55:17,833 --> 00:55:19,713
So that is our final oversight.

824
00:55:19,793 --> 00:55:22,313
So so I do have one last question. Yes.

825
00:55:22,983 --> 00:55:27,983
Is when you're talking. This.
Does this have to go through committee?

826
00:55:29,713 --> 00:55:32,033
For when the board brings it over.

827
00:55:33,953 --> 00:55:36,696
Or does this?
Or does that go directly to the full

828
00:55:36,696 --> 00:55:37,073
Ledger?

829
00:55:37,073 --> 00:55:39,673
Can we assume it is there committee?

830
00:55:43,233 --> 00:55:43,673
Meeting last.

831
00:55:43,673 --> 00:55:44,073
Yeah, they work OK.

832
00:55:44,113 --> 00:55:44,833
So there's this.

833
00:55:44,833 --> 00:55:47,033
There wouldn't, but so they can.

834
00:55:47,033 --> 00:55:50,233
The only reason why I'm saying is because
that's the first the 1st.

835
00:55:50,713 --> 00:55:51,953
That's all I'm saying. Yup.

836
00:55:52,663 --> 00:55:58,703
Finance has occupancy tax in the rolls of
water within both concepts, so yes, OK.

837
00:56:06,053 --> 00:56:08,573
Any other second. Any other questions?

838
00:56:10,673 --> 00:56:10,833
OK.

839
00:56:11,433 --> 00:56:12,673
Don't say aye, all right.

840
00:56:14,473 --> 00:56:17,273
Next, I'm nay only because it's too, Greg.

841
00:56:17,673 --> 00:56:19,873
Now we're not ready.
People know ahead of time.

842
00:56:19,873 --> 00:56:24,553
I would be a yes if we were going to put
it in for 20 instead of.

843
00:56:26,793 --> 00:56:30,753
20 minutes if we wanted it to motion
carries.

844
00:56:32,673 --> 00:56:32,833
Yeah.

845
00:56:34,783 --> 00:56:38,503
When we move on to other discussions.

846
00:56:40,153 --> 00:56:42,353
Yes, and you mentioned.

847
00:56:44,433 --> 00:56:44,913
Good morning.

848
00:56:44,913 --> 00:56:46,313
Morning, everybody. Happy.

849
00:56:48,273 --> 00:56:53,230
Reports in the packet just to highlight,
worked with village of McGraw and his

850
00:56:53,230 --> 00:56:58,438
customer to put in an application through
ESC Environmental Facilities Corporation

851
00:56:58,438 --> 00:57:01,953
for an inquiry infiltration Engineering
planning grant.

852
00:57:01,993 --> 00:57:04,513
And we were just awarded that.
So I'll be working.

853
00:57:04,863 --> 00:57:07,832
With bills, McGraw get that message.
Currently,

854
00:57:07,832 --> 00:57:11,543
we're going through the contract process,
but very excited.

855
00:57:11,543 --> 00:57:14,467
We have some updated infrastructure
trying to figure out some problems with

856
00:57:14,467 --> 00:57:16,623
that and hopefully for future investment
in the future.

857
00:57:18,193 --> 00:57:20,273
If anyone has any questions,
any questions.

858
00:57:21,993 --> 00:57:26,413
So just a couple of questions on your the
report here, the $100,

859
00:57:26,413 --> 00:57:31,513
000 through the ARC for the additional
laser pitch licenses we heard from.

860
00:57:33,913 --> 00:57:34,073
Paul.

861
00:57:34,423 --> 00:57:39,657
In public works that one of the positions
that he had been looking to bring forward

862
00:57:39,657 --> 00:57:44,643
had been to help with efficiencies for
the county clerk's office to manage some

863
00:57:44,643 --> 00:57:48,943
of those things. Is this $100,
000 grant tied to his hiring request?

864
00:57:48,943 --> 00:57:49,983
That is not on.

865
00:57:49,983 --> 00:57:53,387
This was primarily for licenses on
scanners and training,

866
00:57:53,387 --> 00:57:55,383
so it says it's just the software.

867
00:57:55,383 --> 00:57:58,583
It's not actually OK the other one.

868
00:57:58,583 --> 00:58:00,183
I had a question on was the.

869
00:58:01,393 --> 00:58:03,393
The nearly $1,000,000 awarded.

870
00:58:04,273 --> 00:58:08,585
Through the Department of State,
Local Government efficiency grant program

871
00:58:08,585 --> 00:58:12,035
for a county run ambulance service is
that did that $1,000,

872
00:58:12,035 --> 00:58:13,473
000 come forward correct?

873
00:58:13,513 --> 00:58:14,313
We were.

874
00:58:14,313 --> 00:58:15,073
We were awarded it.

875
00:58:15,073 --> 00:58:17,633
We still haven't received a contract
though or anything.

876
00:58:19,153 --> 00:58:22,844
And what are the 'cause?
I hadn't heard anything on the same

877
00:58:22,844 --> 00:58:26,113
holding pattern.
We we got a letter with no contract.

878
00:58:27,793 --> 00:58:29,193
And so that'll be a budget item.

879
00:58:31,033 --> 00:58:32,153
Post budget but yeah.

880
00:58:33,503 --> 00:58:37,503
I'm sorry if I if I remember correctly
that contract is not due until.

881
00:58:38,993 --> 00:58:41,787
Sometime in the first quarter,
Department of State has been really

882
00:58:41,787 --> 00:58:44,873
behind under contracts, you know,
working on a different grant with them.

883
00:58:44,873 --> 00:58:47,982
They took about nine months to send out a
contract,

884
00:58:47,982 --> 00:58:50,913
so we just got awarded maybe a month or
two ago.

885
00:58:50,913 --> 00:58:55,153
I can't remember the timeline,
so he's still allowed to leave them, OK?

886
00:58:55,153 --> 00:58:55,593
Thanks Lynn.

887
00:58:55,593 --> 00:58:59,804
And then in the grants submitted your
second to last one here says the

888
00:58:59,804 --> 00:59:04,193
application submitted for the Empire
State Development Feasibility study.

889
00:59:04,543 --> 00:59:08,863
Grant program for the county owns 74
parcel 74 acre parcel in Burlingville.

890
00:59:08,863 --> 00:59:10,703
Could you talk to that a little bit?

891
00:59:10,703 --> 00:59:13,023
So the capital's 74 acres.

892
00:59:15,993 --> 00:59:16,633
Tractor supply, I believe.

893
00:59:18,393 --> 00:59:22,369
Nothing is there currently,
so we just put in for a grant to,

894
00:59:22,369 --> 00:59:25,640
you know,
determine possible future investments in

895
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:25,833
it.

896
00:59:25,833 --> 00:59:27,353
There was no.

897
00:59:29,193 --> 00:59:32,073
We're curious to see what'll come back as
what could be done with that land.

898
00:59:33,903 --> 00:59:37,753
That was part of the CFA process.
We probably won't hear about that until

899
00:59:37,753 --> 00:59:40,823
December time or so,
but that was about 100,000 I believe.

900
00:59:40,823 --> 00:59:43,577
Just for OK,
I just wanted to point in that,

901
00:59:43,577 --> 00:59:48,291
did you were you able to utilize the
forestry study from soil and water that

902
00:59:48,291 --> 00:59:51,903
had been conducted on that property a
couple of years ago?

903
00:59:51,903 --> 00:59:54,355
I did not put that in the grant
application,

904
00:59:54,355 --> 00:59:58,823
but I'm sure when we go out for bid for
consultant that would be useful for them.

905
00:59:59,283 --> 01:00:01,813
OK.
Because we you know the forestry had

906
01:00:01,813 --> 01:00:06,874
identified that there was a unique area
up there in the the Canyon and stuff that

907
01:00:06,874 --> 01:00:10,763
we couldn't do a whole lot with because
it was protected land.

908
01:00:10,763 --> 01:00:13,683
So as long as we had that, all right.
Thank you.

909
01:00:13,683 --> 01:00:17,363
A few questions for me. Thank you.

910
01:00:17,363 --> 01:00:18,403
You've been busy.

911
01:00:18,603 --> 01:00:19,403
It's looking great.

912
01:00:20,993 --> 01:00:23,998
First question,
when you put grants awarded in here and

913
01:00:23,998 --> 01:00:27,540
and you put submitted in here,
do you put them in any particular?

914
01:00:27,540 --> 01:00:31,673
I'm trying to figure out is there any
particular order to how you list them.

915
01:00:31,983 --> 01:00:33,343
Also heard chronological order.

916
01:00:33,343 --> 01:00:39,308
Just 'cause I add on to it work but also
I'm sure there's some overlap somewhere.

917
01:00:39,308 --> 01:00:42,509
OK,
so with the arc grant for your position

918
01:00:42,509 --> 01:00:44,183
here is that a new one?

919
01:00:44,183 --> 01:00:45,623
That's not what I that is.

920
01:00:45,943 --> 01:00:46,823
That's closed out.

921
01:00:46,863 --> 01:00:47,703
That was back.

922
01:00:47,703 --> 01:00:51,489
We got awarded that in 2024. OK,
but grants, you know,

923
01:00:51,489 --> 01:00:55,688
they take all points of 6 to 9 almost a
year to get awarded.

924
01:00:55,688 --> 01:00:57,823
Implementation can take longer.

925
01:00:58,513 --> 01:01:00,953
Up to a year or so,
depending on what your prior performance

926
01:01:00,953 --> 01:01:01,073
is.

927
01:01:01,463 --> 01:01:03,863
And then the closeout takes Miller few
months.

928
01:01:03,863 --> 01:01:07,463
And so that's the vision that goes out
and same thing with the lifeguard.

929
01:01:08,183 --> 01:01:11,303
Yes,
that is officially closed out now with

930
01:01:11,303 --> 01:01:15,628
another 1 from 2024,
but I've just recently got this out and

931
01:01:15,628 --> 01:01:20,663
can you provide an update as to the
Harbor Brook Flats infrastructure?

932
01:01:20,813 --> 01:01:21,573
Cranford village.

933
01:01:21,813 --> 01:01:25,020
Please. Yes,
we're very excited and very stage

934
01:01:25,020 --> 01:01:29,934
development awarded us $1,000,
000 in for our project for our class and

935
01:01:29,934 --> 01:01:32,733
their water tank in the village homework.

936
01:01:32,733 --> 01:01:34,773
Mm-hmm. That was about a month ago.

937
01:01:34,773 --> 01:01:35,853
We're working with Homer.

938
01:01:35,853 --> 01:01:36,973
We've met with him several times.

939
01:01:36,973 --> 01:01:40,553
We're working with ESD to get the
contracts and everything in place for

940
01:01:40,553 --> 01:01:42,840
that,
but I know they are jumping up a bit to

941
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,133
get their project started.

942
01:01:45,663 --> 01:01:46,743
Meeting with their consultants.

943
01:01:46,743 --> 01:01:51,335
All that fun stuff and I know Arbor Brook
Flats I think is currently building their

944
01:01:51,335 --> 01:01:51,663
model.

945
01:01:52,013 --> 01:01:55,439
Home. But we're looking to help, you know,
with all their infrastructure,

946
01:01:55,439 --> 01:01:57,013
they leave there. So very excited.

947
01:01:57,013 --> 01:01:57,733
Good. Thank you.

948
01:01:57,893 --> 01:02:01,093
Yeah,
I'd like to come in on my name and the

949
01:02:01,093 --> 01:02:03,653
great work they did on that project.

950
01:02:05,103 --> 01:02:07,943
It was $1,000,
000 and it really was a cost.

951
01:02:08,623 --> 01:02:11,903
Be able to find that to work so.

952
01:02:14,343 --> 01:02:17,622
I I heard the word lifeguard. Yes.
Thank you.

953
01:02:17,622 --> 01:02:19,903
I think it was maybe a year ago.

954
01:02:20,383 --> 01:02:22,903
I know some lifeguards and they never got
that money from the city.

955
01:02:23,533 --> 01:02:27,505
And I'm wondering if we ever checked that
or find out what's going on. I mean,

956
01:02:27,505 --> 01:02:28,813
I I know some kids, right?

957
01:02:28,813 --> 01:02:31,966
They so the city.
It was reversible process.

958
01:02:31,966 --> 01:02:37,293
So the city was had paid them and then
they got reimbursed from the county.

959
01:02:39,183 --> 01:02:42,503
We have all the documentation for that.
Thanks.

960
01:02:44,223 --> 01:02:46,383
This one.
Are you talking back to the 72 acres?

961
01:02:46,383 --> 01:02:49,023
It's not in any way to preclude a jail.

962
01:02:49,023 --> 01:02:52,463
It's just recognizing that the jail did
not need that entire.

963
01:02:52,893 --> 01:02:54,573
Awesome. Thank you. Yes.

964
01:02:57,023 --> 01:02:59,930
Morgan. Sorry.
One last question of the future Ready

965
01:02:59,930 --> 01:03:03,551
Workforce Initiative Innovation
Consortium grant application with

966
01:03:03,551 --> 01:03:06,185
workforce development.
How much was that grant?

967
01:03:06,185 --> 01:03:08,983
And can you give a little bit more detail
on that?

968
01:03:09,133 --> 01:03:11,613
I believe that was only 10,
000 and I know Amy's here.

969
01:03:11,613 --> 01:03:12,213
I worked with Amy on it.

970
01:03:12,213 --> 01:03:13,813
If she you're more than welcome to do
more.

971
01:03:13,813 --> 01:03:14,293
It was.

972
01:03:14,293 --> 01:03:17,053
It was originally 10,000,
but we were awarded 1.

973
01:03:18,583 --> 01:03:22,462
It's from Micron and Center space CEO
push 503,

974
01:03:22,462 --> 01:03:26,503
four workforce areas that applied for
that money.

975
01:03:28,503 --> 01:03:32,383
So this moves up to the awarded column
next year.

976
01:03:32,863 --> 01:03:34,663
Yeah. Excellent. And congratulations.

977
01:03:34,663 --> 01:03:35,143
Thank you.

978
01:03:36,583 --> 01:03:37,503
Any other questions?

979
01:03:40,103 --> 01:03:40,583
Thank you.

980
01:03:40,583 --> 01:03:42,463
Our next capital improvement plan.

981
01:03:44,573 --> 01:03:48,811
So one of the things that we set out to
do when I talked about some public works

982
01:03:48,811 --> 01:03:52,213
was to ensure that we had a multi year
capital improvement plan.

983
01:03:52,653 --> 01:03:57,359
This was an initiative we started almost
a year ago now where we establish

984
01:03:57,359 --> 01:04:01,438
administrative committees,
one of them involving or that Charlie

985
01:04:01,438 --> 01:04:04,325
chaired and as part of that committee's
work,

986
01:04:04,325 --> 01:04:09,094
he did building assessments throughout
the county. And then that pulmonary,

987
01:04:09,094 --> 01:04:11,103
where do we need to ensure that?

988
01:04:11,103 --> 01:04:13,533
We're setting aside future money,
making future investments.

989
01:04:14,013 --> 01:04:18,413
In our infrastructure,
so administratively we're putting forward

990
01:04:18,413 --> 01:04:23,084
to what what we believe is a a you know
our multi year capital plan,

991
01:04:23,084 --> 01:04:28,364
the this month is for discussion at
public works and here and then next month

992
01:04:28,364 --> 01:04:33,103
that we put forward as a resolution for
adoption the legislature can.

993
01:04:33,103 --> 01:04:33,413
Make changes.

994
01:04:33,413 --> 01:04:36,493
Let me know what they are and we'll we'll
get them into the plan.

995
01:04:37,133 --> 01:04:39,773
It's also in digital format, right,
so we're not.

996
01:04:40,623 --> 01:04:43,343
Issuing a paper book on this.
This will be very similar to.

997
01:04:43,933 --> 01:04:47,735
How it's the same software that will
produce the budget book for this year and

998
01:04:47,735 --> 01:04:50,093
then next year when we do fundamental
reporting.

999
01:04:50,093 --> 01:04:52,613
So you all should have a a URL related to
it.

1000
01:04:54,143 --> 01:04:56,583
And then when Savannah has up here is
what this this looks like.

1001
01:04:56,583 --> 01:05:00,423
So if you could click on the one year
plan, I'll just highlight a few things.

1002
01:05:00,703 --> 01:05:04,965
So in 2027,
there's a recommendation of a little over

1003
01:05:04,965 --> 01:05:08,360
7.
7 million in capital improvement as you

1004
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:12,623
scroll and you can highlight different
parts of this.

1005
01:05:12,893 --> 01:05:14,893
It will tell you. OK,
where is this coming from?

1006
01:05:14,893 --> 01:05:15,933
What's our local share?

1007
01:05:15,933 --> 01:05:19,510
So our local share part of that is is 1.
7 million.

1008
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:23,019
The majority of that you know is is other
funding,

1009
01:05:23,019 --> 01:05:26,253
which in this case because 2027 would
include.

1010
01:05:27,983 --> 01:05:30,183
The the heats for the courthouse.

1011
01:05:30,223 --> 01:05:32,983
Other funding would be categorized as
bonding.

1012
01:05:33,623 --> 01:05:36,943
That's this is the only year we see that
we do very little bonding.

1013
01:05:37,343 --> 01:05:41,573
So so if you don't mind to continue to
scroll a little bit and then it tells you

1014
01:05:41,573 --> 01:05:45,543
you know it gives you different groups of
what they are, the vast majority.

1015
01:05:45,893 --> 01:05:47,693
It's like always gonna be grounds, right?

1016
01:05:47,693 --> 01:05:50,213
They are the capital intensive department.

1017
01:05:50,213 --> 01:05:55,027
So umm and then below it'll give you the
individual, umm,

1018
01:05:55,027 --> 01:06:01,253
projects and it'll allow you to to click
on one. If you'd picked that one.

1019
01:06:02,213 --> 01:06:04,613
Doesn't cover. Isn't pretty pictures, but.

1020
01:06:06,303 --> 01:06:06,383
So.

1021
01:06:09,643 --> 01:06:10,403
Yeah, that's it.

1022
01:06:10,403 --> 01:06:11,523
Yeah. So right.

1023
01:06:11,523 --> 01:06:15,429
So it's gonna tell you, OK,
everything about that individual project

1024
01:06:15,429 --> 01:06:18,203
is gonna give you a description of its
location.

1025
01:06:18,363 --> 01:06:21,883
It's gonna give you some pictures of what
current conditions are.

1026
01:06:21,883 --> 01:06:23,643
If there's future renderings and.

1027
01:06:25,853 --> 01:06:29,413
And then talk about how it's being funded
on the left.

1028
01:06:29,413 --> 01:06:31,311
Then,
if you don't mind the multigraph plan

1029
01:06:31,311 --> 01:06:31,613
please.

1030
01:06:32,333 --> 01:06:37,566
So then when we look at a multi year,
we're taking the plan out to 2031 and

1031
01:06:37,566 --> 01:06:41,147
saying OK,
this is where our future investments are

1032
01:06:41,147 --> 01:06:44,453
expected to be.
As we look out into the future.

1033
01:06:44,453 --> 01:06:45,253
Could you scroll a little?

1034
01:06:47,343 --> 01:06:51,931
Gives you again by department.
Gives you the the funding source and then

1035
01:06:51,931 --> 01:06:52,623
keep going.

1036
01:06:52,623 --> 01:06:55,903
It should list all of the individual
projects by year.

1037
01:06:55,903 --> 01:06:56,943
Nope, I'm making that up.

1038
01:06:58,093 --> 01:06:59,413
Please Scroll down the left.

1039
01:07:04,613 --> 01:07:06,863
Yeah.
And then it gives you this different menu,

1040
01:07:06,863 --> 01:07:09,159
you know,
different options of way of showing the

1041
01:07:09,159 --> 01:07:09,573
data, so.

1042
01:07:11,383 --> 01:07:14,425
But it will tell you what you're
expecting to find and give you

1043
01:07:14,425 --> 01:07:15,423
information about it.

1044
01:07:15,823 --> 01:07:18,490
So I don't want to click through
everything,

1045
01:07:18,490 --> 01:07:21,216
but you should be able to to go through
this.

1046
01:07:21,216 --> 01:07:26,018
Bo has a really good question that we're
finding out at public works about if we

1047
01:07:26,018 --> 01:07:28,863
can get a menu built by facility or by
address.

1048
01:07:28,863 --> 01:07:29,583
So you know what?

1049
01:07:29,583 --> 01:07:31,783
You're investing in each location.

1050
01:07:32,533 --> 01:07:35,841
So we've taken that back to to ask that
question,

1051
01:07:35,841 --> 01:07:41,400
but so this is the the multi year capital
plan we you know next month expect to put

1052
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:46,826
it in as a resolution but certainly want
feedback between now and then we need to

1053
01:07:46,826 --> 01:07:49,143
change anything. So before I bring.

1054
01:07:49,143 --> 01:07:49,693
More detail.

1055
01:07:52,783 --> 01:07:53,903
For this, as long as I know.

1056
01:07:55,823 --> 01:07:57,023
Literally the number, yeah.

1057
01:07:58,623 --> 01:07:59,783
I'm now here you have it.

1058
01:07:59,863 --> 01:08:00,663
Not only here.

1059
01:08:01,183 --> 01:08:01,943
Thank you, chair.

1060
01:08:03,293 --> 01:08:09,173
As part of the budget process,
and that's really.

1061
01:08:13,663 --> 01:08:17,085
All that I know,
the county has wanted to do something

1062
01:08:17,085 --> 01:08:19,263
with us for literally, for decades.

1063
01:08:19,263 --> 01:08:22,453
Yeah,
we got this talk about all the time and

1064
01:08:22,453 --> 01:08:27,169
I'd say not only is it happy,
but it's say priority is my attention

1065
01:08:27,169 --> 01:08:27,863
beautiful.

1066
01:08:27,863 --> 01:08:28,383
Well done. Thank you.

1067
01:08:28,703 --> 01:08:29,023
Thank you.

1068
01:08:31,053 --> 01:08:33,381
Just a reminder,
the plan is not appropriate funds that

1069
01:08:33,381 --> 01:08:35,253
happens to the actual budget process,
right?

1070
01:08:37,143 --> 01:08:37,543
Now we.

1071
01:08:40,023 --> 01:08:40,823
Want to add it?

1072
01:08:44,263 --> 01:08:49,903
All right, there we move on.

1073
01:08:51,823 --> 01:08:52,383
OK.

1074
01:08:54,343 --> 01:08:58,343
Steve, would you like to report?

1075
01:08:58,343 --> 01:08:59,423
Yeah, go ahead. Good morning.

1076
01:09:01,653 --> 01:09:05,532
So, as discussed last year,
when they're working on a bunch of Labor

1077
01:09:05,532 --> 01:09:09,917
contract and overall benchmarking and
county ranks on a high end for employee

1078
01:09:09,917 --> 01:09:11,773
benefits expenditures per capita.

1079
01:09:13,303 --> 01:09:17,010
For the 36 counties for the population
between 30 and 125,

1080
01:09:17,010 --> 01:09:21,911
000 for only have the ninth highest wait
at Pittsburgh and then for a smaller

1081
01:09:21,911 --> 01:09:24,738
subset,
counties closer population had their

1082
01:09:24,738 --> 01:09:27,943
highest highest spending out of those 13
counties.

1083
01:09:29,403 --> 01:09:33,388
After we looked at those figures last
year, this committee had asked, you know,

1084
01:09:33,388 --> 01:09:37,175
what are the drivers that are resulting
in Portland generally being on that

1085
01:09:37,175 --> 01:09:37,723
higher end?

1086
01:09:39,303 --> 01:09:41,476
When it comes to spending on health
insurance,

1087
01:09:41,476 --> 01:09:44,853
so my goal with this benchmarking
analysis was to identify some of those

1088
01:09:44,853 --> 01:09:45,223
factors.

1089
01:09:46,943 --> 01:09:51,178
Retiree health insurance certainly
factors into these figures that we looked

1090
01:09:51,178 --> 01:09:53,983
at that benchmark last month and then
this report.

1091
01:09:53,983 --> 01:09:57,703
I included a report on health benefits
for active employees.

1092
01:09:59,293 --> 01:10:03,260
This benchmarking comparison is again
include all contiguous counties,

1093
01:10:03,260 --> 01:10:06,893
and then I also included Allegheny,
Livingston counties as well.

1094
01:10:08,383 --> 01:10:11,903
As a bit of background,
the county has two health insurance plans

1095
01:10:11,903 --> 01:10:13,023
for active employees.

1096
01:10:13,023 --> 01:10:15,583
The traditional plan is the PPO plan.

1097
01:10:17,343 --> 01:10:22,548
The implementation date for the PPO plan
varies a bit by labor contract,

1098
01:10:22,548 --> 01:10:27,183
but for the General Union employees hired
after January 1, 2020.

1099
01:10:28,093 --> 01:10:32,493
I'm over the PPO plan and they elect to
participate in county health insurance.

1100
01:10:34,023 --> 01:10:38,114
And then in general,
both plans for both plans employees pay

1101
01:10:38,114 --> 01:10:40,663
20% of premiums and counties pays 80%.

1102
01:10:43,263 --> 01:10:46,151
In comparing Cortland to these other
counties,

1103
01:10:46,151 --> 01:10:49,408
several similarities were noted similar
to Cortland,

1104
01:10:49,408 --> 01:10:54,018
majority of counties are self insured
when it comes to health benefits for

1105
01:10:54,018 --> 01:10:55,063
active employees.

1106
01:10:55,663 --> 01:10:59,423
And Appl plans a fairly common offering
as well.

1107
01:11:00,943 --> 01:11:05,371
The split of premiums between employees
share and town share is in line with that

1108
01:11:05,371 --> 01:11:06,343
of other counties.

1109
01:11:06,343 --> 01:11:12,215
The range for employee share was
generally between 10 and 25% when again

1110
01:11:12,215 --> 01:11:13,663
cortland's at 20%.

1111
01:11:15,263 --> 01:11:18,388
And then additionally,
when looking at the annual premiums for

1112
01:11:18,388 --> 01:11:21,761
both individual or family coverage,
Portland's annual premiums were

1113
01:11:21,761 --> 01:11:24,143
relatively in line with that of other
counties.

1114
01:11:24,213 --> 01:11:29,533
Is in situations in which the plan
structures were similar to that of port.

1115
01:11:30,863 --> 01:11:33,383
Those are the key similarities under my
office.

1116
01:11:33,383 --> 01:11:35,263
Notice some some differences as well.

1117
01:11:36,903 --> 01:11:39,973
First of all,
the annual DEDUCTABLES and how to pocket

1118
01:11:39,973 --> 01:11:44,551
maximums that employees are responsible
for for Portland's plans are generally on

1119
01:11:44,551 --> 01:11:47,343
the lower end compared to that of other
counties.

1120
01:11:48,983 --> 01:11:51,336
For example,
family coverage under Cortland's

1121
01:11:51,336 --> 01:11:53,383
traditional plan, the annual deductible.

1122
01:11:53,773 --> 01:11:56,893
$300.
00 and we out of pocket maximum is 1500.

1123
01:11:58,423 --> 01:12:00,903
And then these figures are higher for for
corpor.

1124
01:12:02,703 --> 01:12:06,863
Ate counties are around that same same
range as Cortland.

1125
01:12:06,863 --> 01:12:10,984
Some do have annual deductables in out of
pocket maximum maximums,

1126
01:12:10,984 --> 01:12:14,183
which are significantly higher than in
four months.

1127
01:12:16,073 --> 01:12:20,415
Another finding was that many counties
have implemented high deductible plans,

1128
01:12:20,415 --> 01:12:24,483
either as the only insurance provided or
as an optional plan available to

1129
01:12:24,483 --> 01:12:25,033
employees.

1130
01:12:25,833 --> 01:12:29,607
These plans come significantly higher
deductibles and out of pocket maximums

1131
01:12:29,607 --> 01:12:32,353
compared to the structure of the
traditional EPO plans.

1132
01:12:33,823 --> 01:12:36,743
Counties will typically pair these with
either an HSA or HRA.

1133
01:12:39,543 --> 01:12:43,428
The next two differences noted with that
the majority of other counties offer

1134
01:12:43,428 --> 01:12:44,823
employees an annual stipend.

1135
01:12:46,003 --> 01:12:50,224
For declining health insurance coverage,
but this this is not something that's

1136
01:12:50,224 --> 01:12:52,843
written into any of Portland's labor
agreements.

1137
01:12:54,303 --> 01:12:59,037
And also majority of Portland's employees
are eligible to annually convert up to

1138
01:12:59,037 --> 01:13:02,661
five vacation days to be used to pay for
a vacation premiums.

1139
01:13:02,661 --> 01:13:07,279
And I did not know this in the waiver
agreements for any of the other counties

1140
01:13:07,279 --> 01:13:10,143
reviewed,
and then for part time employees some.

1141
01:13:10,143 --> 01:13:14,383
Other counties do have separate rate
structure for for part time employees.

1142
01:13:14,893 --> 01:13:16,453
Which report does not?

1143
01:13:17,653 --> 01:13:21,253
And then also Portland's management plan
is fairly unique.

1144
01:13:21,253 --> 01:13:25,581
And then in that there's no minimum level
hours to be eligible for the county

1145
01:13:25,581 --> 01:13:27,413
health insurance under that plan.

1146
01:13:29,023 --> 01:13:34,155
And then when it comes to family coverage,
Portland's family coverage has the same

1147
01:13:34,155 --> 01:13:37,679
cost share percentage as individual
coverage. But again,

1148
01:13:37,679 --> 01:13:41,327
employees being responsible for 20% and
accounting for 80,

1149
01:13:41,327 --> 01:13:44,543
while some other counties are structured
similarly.

1150
01:13:44,853 --> 01:13:50,287
It's not uncommon for other counties to
require a higher employee share of her

1151
01:13:50,287 --> 01:13:52,213
spouse independent coverage.

1152
01:13:54,263 --> 01:13:56,604
You know,
certainly been able to kind of gather a

1153
01:13:56,604 --> 01:14:00,070
significant amount of underlying data on
this for obviously for Portland,

1154
01:14:00,070 --> 01:14:01,663
but also for these other counties.

1155
01:14:01,663 --> 01:14:06,177
And this is just kind of a summary of,
you know what was included in the package

1156
01:14:06,177 --> 01:14:08,463
A and this discussion is kind of summary.

1157
01:14:08,463 --> 01:14:09,543
It shows overall findings.

1158
01:14:13,013 --> 01:14:14,253
Comments or questions?

1159
01:14:16,743 --> 01:14:21,749
Did you look at the actual number of
employees that recruit were part of that

1160
01:14:21,749 --> 01:14:25,023
cost or are you comparing it purely on
per capita?

1161
01:14:25,023 --> 01:14:29,000
Because this is these expenses aren't
driven by per capita,

1162
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:34,303
they're driven by the number of employees
that we compared like with employees.

1163
01:14:37,623 --> 01:14:41,180
Yeah, I mean,
I I don't even think I had per capita

1164
01:14:41,180 --> 01:14:42,343
data in this one.

1165
01:14:42,343 --> 01:14:43,503
It was more just.

1166
01:14:44,583 --> 01:14:45,943
You know, whatever the annual.

1167
01:14:47,903 --> 01:14:49,623
Mediums, as far as you know.

1168
01:14:49,623 --> 01:14:54,803
How exciting compared to some of these
other counties and we were pretty well in

1169
01:14:54,803 --> 01:14:58,512
line as far as counties that had so much
structure. Ours,

1170
01:14:58,512 --> 01:15:00,303
our costs were very similar.

1171
01:15:02,063 --> 01:15:06,897
But then some counties are exclusively or
offer high deductible plan,

1172
01:15:06,897 --> 01:15:12,423
optional plan and those premiums are
generally less than other important plans.

1173
01:15:13,723 --> 01:15:16,838
No,
I didn't necessarily look at the number

1174
01:15:16,838 --> 01:15:21,723
of employees participating in health
insurance in our county versus.

1175
01:15:36,023 --> 01:15:38,983
So you have anything else to report on
the ordering?

1176
01:15:40,743 --> 01:15:43,863
Just a few other things working on the
working on updating.

1177
01:15:45,583 --> 01:15:49,888
Accounting purchasing policy that should
hopefully be coming in the next month or

1178
01:15:49,888 --> 01:15:50,623
two here with.

1179
01:15:53,143 --> 01:15:56,548
Full scale revite but but some
significant, you know,

1180
01:15:56,548 --> 01:15:58,503
tweets to their current policy.

1181
01:15:59,943 --> 01:16:03,800
Assign Council have been working on that
for a while and working on formally

1182
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:05,303
writing over a report on that.

1183
01:16:05,813 --> 01:16:07,013
No findings.

1184
01:16:10,593 --> 01:16:15,204
Going around meet with departments as far
as some of the grants that each

1185
01:16:15,204 --> 01:16:19,877
department receives and kind of what
their processes are at the department

1186
01:16:19,877 --> 01:16:22,993
level.
And then also the county's role processes.

1187
01:16:22,993 --> 01:16:28,419
So continue to work on that and then this
month I'll be sending out notices to

1188
01:16:28,419 --> 01:16:32,953
hotel motel operators with another round
of occupancy tax audits.

1189
01:16:34,463 --> 01:16:37,661
To get any efforts there,
they're not only inside of how those

1190
01:16:37,661 --> 01:16:38,423
funds are used.

1191
01:16:39,613 --> 01:16:44,286
But also you know the the actual
collection and the tax returns

1192
01:16:44,286 --> 01:16:45,893
significant items, so.

1193
01:16:48,173 --> 01:16:48,693
Thank you.

1194
01:16:48,693 --> 01:16:49,533
I have a question.

1195
01:16:49,533 --> 01:16:50,653
Isle of Swan.

1196
01:16:52,903 --> 01:16:53,063
OK.

1197
01:16:53,143 --> 01:16:53,503
Go on.

1198
01:16:53,943 --> 01:16:54,943
Go on.

1199
01:16:54,943 --> 01:16:55,343
How are you?

1200
01:16:55,343 --> 01:16:57,983
Good, good.

1201
01:16:57,983 --> 01:16:58,583
Anything you're talking?

1202
01:17:00,183 --> 01:17:00,863
It's going well.

1203
01:17:00,863 --> 01:17:06,303
I have the new employee in the text
mapping position and he's doing very well.

1204
01:17:07,103 --> 01:17:09,704
He come in in with a good surveying
background,

1205
01:17:09,704 --> 01:17:12,143
so he was able to slide into it fairly
well.

1206
01:17:12,343 --> 01:17:15,063
He knows his needs in the survey,
so it's going very well.

1207
01:17:16,943 --> 01:17:20,513
In Morgan's report,
we did not get the grant for scanning of

1208
01:17:20,513 --> 01:17:23,850
all the deeds,
so all the filing events are still in the

1209
01:17:23,850 --> 01:17:24,143
hall.

1210
01:17:24,343 --> 01:17:28,753
We are starting to do a little bit in
house scanning work was able to give us

1211
01:17:28,753 --> 01:17:31,863
all scanner.
So we're we're starting to scan in house.

1212
01:17:33,343 --> 01:17:36,882
It's gonna take a long time,
but I think Brooke's gonna help out a

1213
01:17:36,882 --> 01:17:37,463
little bit.

1214
01:17:37,463 --> 01:17:40,303
See if she can get some scanning done for
us.

1215
01:17:42,023 --> 01:17:44,823
Been working with Andrea on the backer
for the city tax bill.

1216
01:17:45,373 --> 01:17:48,484
Getting ready to do the printing,
so we had to reword the backer a little

1217
01:17:48,484 --> 01:17:48,653
bit.

1218
01:17:48,853 --> 01:17:52,948
Getting ready to, you know,
buy the forms and things like that and

1219
01:17:52,948 --> 01:17:54,293
basically that's what.

1220
01:17:58,343 --> 01:18:02,698
So just check in with chair.
Are we gonna have an opportunity to talk

1221
01:18:02,698 --> 01:18:05,063
about what we talked about last month?

1222
01:18:05,063 --> 01:18:09,143
Yeah, which is all of the tax exemptions.

1223
01:18:09,263 --> 01:18:10,063
Yeah, as a fact of.

1224
01:18:12,343 --> 01:18:13,223
Pay for that. Thank you.

1225
01:18:13,613 --> 01:18:14,573
We're working on that report.

1226
01:18:14,573 --> 01:18:15,773
Alright, perfect. Thanks.

1227
01:18:17,543 --> 01:18:19,103
Everything would want to do that.

1228
01:18:21,743 --> 01:18:21,903
OK.

1229
01:18:27,263 --> 01:18:28,423
Actually, Sandy first.

1230
01:18:28,423 --> 01:18:29,703
Oh, Sandy, sorry. OK.

1231
01:18:30,303 --> 01:18:31,703
Where are we with?

1232
01:18:37,183 --> 01:18:41,763
All.
All I can say is I know I was with prabal

1233
01:18:41,763 --> 01:18:44,103
on answering Savannah's.

1234
01:18:45,533 --> 01:18:49,226
She's putting out there to all the
counties, you know.

1235
01:18:49,226 --> 01:18:50,973
Are they in rush hour now?

1236
01:18:52,983 --> 01:18:55,263
For the time, Hartford is interested.

1237
01:18:55,263 --> 01:18:57,663
Yeah,
they're still waiting on municipalities.

1238
01:18:57,663 --> 01:19:01,991
They've reached out multiple times,
but yeah, once we have that,

1239
01:19:01,991 --> 01:19:06,653
who's interested or who's not,
then Michael will then would learn and

1240
01:19:06,653 --> 01:19:10,583
calculate a rate based on who's in,
who's out and say, OK.

1241
01:19:10,583 --> 01:19:11,983
This is what the rate would be.

1242
01:19:12,023 --> 01:19:15,072
Are you interested in still moving
forward and if you ask them,

1243
01:19:15,072 --> 01:19:16,263
we can come back to them.

1244
01:19:16,413 --> 01:19:20,061
Plan that says, OK,
municipalities are reimbursing us at cost.

1245
01:19:20,061 --> 01:19:20,293
Umm.

1246
01:19:21,173 --> 01:19:23,573
This is the staff we would need to bring
on board to do it.

1247
01:19:23,573 --> 01:19:26,527
Mm-hmm.
First step is still confirming whether

1248
01:19:26,527 --> 01:19:27,533
they want to be.

1249
01:19:29,023 --> 01:19:34,023
We're not just have to say, they said no.
At some point they don't.

1250
01:19:34,423 --> 01:19:41,460
This isn't another topic that has been
talked about for many years and to

1251
01:19:41,460 --> 01:19:43,743
possibly become reality.

1252
01:19:44,613 --> 01:19:48,333
Side OK, I do have a question.

1253
01:19:49,903 --> 01:19:53,823
So I was at the time, probably last night.

1254
01:19:54,503 --> 01:19:58,743
They wanna know,
along with Scott how to sever.

1255
01:20:00,423 --> 01:20:02,543
From their camp, I thought.

1256
01:20:02,543 --> 01:20:05,343
They I thought they did that with state.

1257
01:20:05,343 --> 01:20:06,943
I thought they broke that camp.

1258
01:20:10,343 --> 01:20:12,343
I'm glad I did the request that they had.

1259
01:20:12,773 --> 01:20:15,741
It was done by local law,
so they're gonna have to resend that

1260
01:20:15,741 --> 01:20:16,213
local law.

1261
01:20:16,373 --> 01:20:19,560
Yeah. So you could just reach out to them,
OK?

1262
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,613
And and ask Scott to say what they wanna
do.

1263
01:20:22,973 --> 01:20:23,173
OK.

1264
01:20:23,173 --> 01:20:28,758
Hold my hand up in Syracuse and up in the
state and find out what they have to

1265
01:20:28,758 --> 01:20:33,070
officially do to bring that cattle. Well,
I told him 'cause.

1266
01:20:33,070 --> 01:20:37,878
I gave them the agreement. Yes,
and put it to them to give to their

1267
01:20:37,878 --> 01:20:40,423
attorneys. And I've got them figure.

1268
01:20:40,423 --> 01:20:42,773
It out because there is no real benefit
anymore.

1269
01:20:43,533 --> 01:20:45,053
The way that there used to be.

1270
01:20:46,583 --> 01:20:49,480
So,
but they wanna be able to break away

1271
01:20:49,480 --> 01:20:53,863
because problem feels that they can't do
their rebound until.

1272
01:20:55,463 --> 01:20:57,383
Scott buys into it, which they have.

1273
01:20:57,503 --> 01:21:01,423
I mean they they all have money set aside
now to do that.

1274
01:21:02,753 --> 01:21:05,953
But if you could just reach out to them.
Thank you.

1275
01:21:08,533 --> 01:21:12,647
Yes, more real question for Savannah,
I need an answer right now,

1276
01:21:12,647 --> 01:21:17,073
but I'd be interested in the
municipalities that I represent for that.

1277
01:21:17,073 --> 01:21:18,133
They gave a name.

1278
01:21:22,323 --> 01:21:23,603
I would want to go back to them.

1279
01:21:25,263 --> 01:21:26,223
Often without getting an answer.

1280
01:21:28,533 --> 01:21:29,053
Any other?

1281
01:21:29,173 --> 01:21:29,613
Any other?

1282
01:21:32,343 --> 01:21:32,583
So OK.

1283
01:21:32,583 --> 01:21:39,638
So now to send what I want to do is turn
to Michael and I want to invite you.

1284
01:21:39,638 --> 01:21:40,543
Very well.

1285
01:21:41,663 --> 01:21:46,002
Should we start with Laura,
who you wanted here to talk about how

1286
01:21:46,002 --> 01:21:47,383
reassessment effects?

1287
01:21:47,383 --> 01:21:48,063
Yes, budget.

1288
01:21:48,063 --> 01:21:50,423
And then she doesn't have to stay in the
whole time, right?

1289
01:21:50,583 --> 01:21:53,908
Excellent.
So talk to us about how we assess and

1290
01:21:53,908 --> 01:21:54,383
that's.

1291
01:21:54,893 --> 01:21:55,813
What else I mean?

1292
01:21:58,253 --> 01:22:00,413
What do you post with?

1293
01:22:02,183 --> 01:22:06,951
Well, when when a rebound happens,
it brings everybody back up to market

1294
01:22:06,951 --> 01:22:07,343
value.

1295
01:22:07,543 --> 01:22:14,162
And when it becomes up to market value,
your equalization rate will now settle

1296
01:22:14,162 --> 01:22:19,776
back up to 100% roughly,
so that the properties are assessed as to

1297
01:22:19,776 --> 01:22:23,463
what they're selling for is all that
means.

1298
01:22:25,063 --> 01:22:27,063
Once you get up to 100%.

1299
01:22:28,783 --> 01:22:32,401
Your percentage of the municipal share
drops,

1300
01:22:32,401 --> 01:22:38,850
so your tax rate drops we saw in Virgil
that when they got rebelled and got up to

1301
01:22:38,850 --> 01:22:42,075
100%,
their tax rate dropped over $5 per

1302
01:22:42,075 --> 01:22:42,783
thousand.

1303
01:22:44,343 --> 01:22:44,983
Plus you got it.

1304
01:22:45,383 --> 01:22:49,285
You got to think about your exemptions
because you're,

1305
01:22:49,285 --> 01:22:53,543
if you're assessed at a equalization rate,
that's not 100%.

1306
01:22:54,053 --> 01:22:59,813
You don't get 100% share of your equals
of your exemption.

1307
01:22:59,853 --> 01:23:03,742
You only get a portion of that,
so as you get to 100%,

1308
01:23:03,742 --> 01:23:06,853
everybody's back on the same playing
field.

1309
01:23:08,343 --> 01:23:13,634
Thanks for the problem with it is we saw
in the City of Portland within one year

1310
01:23:13,634 --> 01:23:19,055
your equalization rate is already dropped
like 4% because things are still selling

1311
01:23:19,055 --> 01:23:22,583
faster than what the assessments are
keeping up with.

1312
01:23:23,093 --> 01:23:26,733
Review this explain when you say who's
the current executive.

1313
01:23:28,303 --> 01:23:32,119
Like your senior citizen,
your veterans exemption,

1314
01:23:32,119 --> 01:23:37,955
you get up to a percentage of and then
equalization rate has to be calculated

1315
01:23:37,955 --> 01:23:41,771
into that.
So you're not getting the full benefit.

1316
01:23:41,771 --> 01:23:46,410
And on our tax bill,
we had always listed that if you were at

1317
01:23:46,410 --> 01:23:47,383
100%, if you.

1318
01:23:47,383 --> 01:23:48,503
Were at full value.

1319
01:23:49,143 --> 01:23:52,223
This is how much your exemption would be,
but you're only getting.

1320
01:23:52,453 --> 01:23:56,158
Whatever your equalization,
or if you're if you're at 60%,

1321
01:23:56,158 --> 01:24:00,053
you're only getting 60% of that full
value of that exemption.

1322
01:24:01,823 --> 01:24:07,175
So for this includes Sark for no No,
Sark's a lot different,

1323
01:24:07,175 --> 01:24:13,405
because that's a reimbursement by the
state to the IT comes into play.

1324
01:24:13,405 --> 01:24:17,617
But the state always has already done a
2% cap.

1325
01:24:17,617 --> 01:24:21,303
You can't get more than you got last year.

1326
01:24:21,573 --> 01:24:24,813
It can only go 2% higher than what you
got last year.

1327
01:24:24,853 --> 01:24:28,773
So then in two years after someone does a
rebound.

1328
01:24:30,693 --> 01:24:31,693
Will I see him now?

1329
01:24:34,213 --> 01:24:40,573
The state sets that value because we have
solar solar.

1330
01:24:42,903 --> 01:24:43,663
I think it's.

1331
01:24:45,703 --> 01:24:48,943
The organization is low.

1332
01:24:49,063 --> 01:24:53,383
I think it's 54525254.

1333
01:24:53,463 --> 01:24:54,143
Yeah, goodbye.

1334
01:24:54,143 --> 01:24:59,183
But you know, you just start seeing,
you know, these reduced so much.

1335
01:25:01,303 --> 01:25:02,303
That this came up in.

1336
01:25:03,013 --> 01:25:11,246
In Provo last night, for that as well,
is and. And I don't want to belabor this,

1337
01:25:11,246 --> 01:25:11,653
but.

1338
01:25:13,493 --> 01:25:15,253
Everyone gets a reevaluation.

1339
01:25:16,743 --> 01:25:17,383
Now town value.

1340
01:25:19,983 --> 01:25:21,223
Right, right, right.

1341
01:25:21,863 --> 01:25:26,116
So,
but we're looking at sales tax apportion

1342
01:25:26,116 --> 01:25:33,583
out of there that does now get factored
in or does it get factored in at 100%?

1343
01:25:33,583 --> 01:25:34,863
Do we do a calculation?

1344
01:25:36,583 --> 01:25:38,143
It's on the property, right?

1345
01:25:38,143 --> 01:25:40,583
It's on the property,
so it's just raw value.

1346
01:25:40,583 --> 01:25:42,703
What? What? What? It is right. So.

1347
01:25:43,213 --> 01:25:46,653
For an evaluation that they did currently.

1348
01:25:48,183 --> 01:25:51,959
They would potentially receive more.
There may not be as much as they

1349
01:25:51,959 --> 01:25:54,063
anticipate depending on where they are.

1350
01:25:54,383 --> 01:25:56,943
I mean, I think I remember correctly.

1351
01:25:57,103 --> 01:25:59,023
I did that for Jeremy.

1352
01:25:59,583 --> 01:26:07,218
That, and I think it was under 100,000,
but it was an eclipse pollution process

1353
01:26:07,218 --> 01:26:10,463
based on the fact that he'll be a.

1354
01:26:10,463 --> 01:26:11,663
So we did get additions.

1355
01:26:11,663 --> 01:26:13,703
That's the new.

1356
01:26:14,543 --> 01:26:14,703
Yeah.

1357
01:26:14,933 --> 01:26:20,726
Because one of the things we were talking
about was homes in trouble have been

1358
01:26:20,726 --> 01:26:24,173
selling higher than their assessed for,
right.

1359
01:26:24,813 --> 01:26:28,856
And then you really take a look at it and
you're just like, well, wait a minute.

1360
01:26:28,856 --> 01:26:30,853
You know, what's it really assessed for?

1361
01:26:31,653 --> 01:26:35,555
It might not be that it's going really
high because what they're doing is

1362
01:26:35,555 --> 01:26:38,034
they're like,
they're getting these assessors,

1363
01:26:38,034 --> 01:26:41,093
they're saying, well,
hold off a couple of years because.

1364
01:26:41,823 --> 01:26:42,663
It's gonna plateau.

1365
01:26:44,213 --> 01:26:50,422
Instead of a house that's worth more,
you know, 200,000 is now selling for 400,

1366
01:26:50,422 --> 01:26:50,733
000.

1367
01:26:52,223 --> 01:26:55,843
They they're they're thinking that it's
gonna peak in its gonna go flat.

1368
01:26:55,843 --> 01:26:58,423
If wanna go flat that's when you do a
reassessment.

1369
01:26:58,943 --> 01:27:01,514
And I was just like, no,
because it could be.

1370
01:27:01,514 --> 01:27:03,023
That's what it actually is.

1371
01:27:04,783 --> 01:27:06,463
And and they don't grasp that.

1372
01:27:06,463 --> 01:27:09,783
And we've had trainings Laura's come in.

1373
01:27:11,463 --> 01:27:14,920
We have been giving these municipalities
all of the stuff,

1374
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:16,503
but right now we don't see.

1375
01:27:17,053 --> 01:27:20,173
You know where there's an incentive for
them to do that.

1376
01:27:21,703 --> 01:27:25,951
And what it breaks down is equalization.
Put in concrete dollars and they're just

1377
01:27:25,951 --> 01:27:27,143
gonna be very generous.

1378
01:27:27,303 --> 01:27:35,732
OK, that as you know, property taxes have,
you know is an impact X amount of dollars,

1379
01:27:35,732 --> 01:27:40,143
OK. And for Portland,
one year is in the 50.

1380
01:27:40,143 --> 01:27:45,943
So the average tax increase of quote
because of the this e-mail.

1381
01:27:46,293 --> 01:27:49,493
$30.00 for 1000 assessed value OK.

1382
01:27:51,463 --> 01:27:57,730
Whereas with so on that that kinda it was
really having some $10 worth for for 1000

1383
01:27:57,730 --> 01:28:01,460
assessed value.
And the reason why is because for

1384
01:28:01,460 --> 01:28:07,727
equalization rate was so it really has an
impact on how much you're paying for 1000

1385
01:28:07,727 --> 01:28:08,623
assessments.

1386
01:28:10,093 --> 01:28:11,973
So I have one last question.

1387
01:28:12,893 --> 01:28:18,016
Yes, Maura,
is that currently the way the way that it

1388
01:28:18,016 --> 01:28:20,293
is is the county has 11?

1389
01:28:22,463 --> 01:28:24,983
And because of the equalization rates,
the way they are.

1390
01:28:26,543 --> 01:28:30,187
Are there municipalities?
If you're looking at the municipality as

1391
01:28:30,187 --> 01:28:30,623
a whole?

1392
01:28:32,303 --> 01:28:38,623
It's paying more of that county because
of the equalization rates are so bad.

1393
01:28:39,853 --> 01:28:45,255
And they're actually could be paying more
of the bigger pot because they're so

1394
01:28:45,255 --> 01:28:46,213
crappy, right?

1395
01:28:46,253 --> 01:28:49,434
Right.
As your equalization rate goes down your

1396
01:28:49,434 --> 01:28:52,417
calendar,
you pay more of the pie and that's

1397
01:28:52,417 --> 01:28:55,533
exactly your rate is driven to tell them
this.

1398
01:28:55,533 --> 01:28:59,025
And they're just like, well, no,
you're just gonna put people's, you know,

1399
01:28:59,025 --> 01:29:02,053
tax accountants. And it's like, no,
I mean, they've been paying.

1400
01:29:04,303 --> 01:29:06,623
And they're paying more than what they're
sharing.

1401
01:29:07,413 --> 01:29:11,093
Yeah.
So I just really want people understand.

1402
01:29:11,693 --> 01:29:13,693
Is that you?

1403
01:29:13,693 --> 01:29:17,293
You really gotta look at it is a is a
bigger.

1404
01:29:18,743 --> 01:29:21,728
Or I can't build on that.
I think right where the counties in our

1405
01:29:21,728 --> 01:29:25,031
small portion of that same concept
applies school to the school district

1406
01:29:25,031 --> 01:29:26,343
where you end up paying more.

1407
01:29:28,023 --> 01:29:32,392
Especially if you're in a school district
that is outside the county,

1408
01:29:32,392 --> 01:29:33,703
you pay a lot higher.

1409
01:29:36,263 --> 01:29:36,623
It's.

1410
01:29:37,173 --> 01:29:40,653
On how that works,
but like like for instance where I am.

1411
01:29:42,223 --> 01:29:46,162
My Rd.
splits the city of Portland School

1412
01:29:46,162 --> 01:29:50,383
District and City School District in
Dryden.

1413
01:29:50,383 --> 01:29:55,686
I'm in Dryden and I'm paying a lot more
and it happens off on torch fabus Kyler,

1414
01:29:55,686 --> 01:30:00,793
if you're in Courtland County and you're
paying outside to a school district,

1415
01:30:00,793 --> 01:30:03,543
it becomes your rate becomes a lot higher.

1416
01:30:04,763 --> 01:30:06,923
Just the way the figures work.

1417
01:30:08,543 --> 01:30:10,303
Any any questions or?

1418
01:30:12,663 --> 01:30:14,903
Yeah, 'cause right 'cause I wanted to.

1419
01:30:14,903 --> 01:30:17,103
You know, we go back to the presentation.

1420
01:30:17,103 --> 01:30:18,983
Michael did umm with the county.

1421
01:30:18,983 --> 01:30:23,648
You know his initial budget. You know,
if you look at it, you know,

1422
01:30:23,648 --> 01:30:28,107
just to give a quick comparison,
because we're looking at the 5.

1423
01:30:28,107 --> 01:30:29,823
5% property tax increase.

1424
01:30:30,503 --> 01:30:34,423
Yeah, an assessed home at $100,000.
If that person is living in.

1425
01:30:35,013 --> 01:30:39,533
Buxton, they're gonna pay $328.
00 more in county taxes.

1426
01:30:40,133 --> 01:30:40,293
OK.

1427
01:30:40,293 --> 01:30:44,308
But if that happens or 1000 or the 100,
000, yeah, for the $100,000 guy,

1428
01:30:44,308 --> 01:30:48,213
that's the total amount that they're
gonna see an increase in the tax.

1429
01:30:48,693 --> 01:30:51,314
But if that house is in the city of
Portland,

1430
01:30:51,314 --> 01:30:56,043
where we've done the recent reassessment,
their county taxes are gonna go down $3.

1431
01:30:56,043 --> 01:30:56,613
23, right?

1432
01:30:56,893 --> 01:31:02,159
So these equalization rates and the
reassessments have big impacts on you

1433
01:31:02,159 --> 01:31:07,781
know the county and then you know even
even though we're increasing the county

1434
01:31:07,781 --> 01:31:08,493
taxes the.

1435
01:31:09,943 --> 01:31:14,183
Actual scene taxes of individuals in the
city are gonna go down, right?

1436
01:31:14,223 --> 01:31:17,103
I mean it's it's a significant, you know,
part of this.

1437
01:31:17,103 --> 01:31:19,783
And if we don't keep up with our
assessments?

1438
01:31:21,503 --> 01:31:26,176
Properly then you see these mad swings
that are really gonna hit our rural parts

1439
01:31:26,176 --> 01:31:27,503
of our right community.

1440
01:31:27,773 --> 01:31:34,077
And and this is the promotion of county
assessing because if we have it in House

1441
01:31:34,077 --> 01:31:39,136
and we have our assessors,
they can actually continually look at

1442
01:31:39,136 --> 01:31:45,362
that and work with the code enforcements
on the permits and everything and they

1443
01:31:45,362 --> 01:31:47,853
can pretty much try to maintain.

1444
01:31:49,123 --> 01:31:52,603
As close as they can for every
municipality. Right 'cause.

1445
01:31:52,603 --> 01:31:54,043
I I think people worry.

1446
01:31:54,083 --> 01:31:56,211
Oh,
if you're gonna be kind of continually

1447
01:31:56,211 --> 01:31:59,083
doing reassessment,
then my taxes are always gonna go up.

1448
01:31:59,083 --> 01:32:03,246
And we saw that when the city and others
have done their reassessment,

1449
01:32:03,246 --> 01:32:06,003
there are some that are gonna go up about
1/3.

1450
01:32:06,003 --> 01:32:09,203
I think you said in the past that 5
thirds will go up a bit.

1451
01:32:09,483 --> 01:32:11,720
Yeah,
the third will remain the same and the

1452
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:14,952
third will actually go down,
even though you're doing, you know,

1453
01:32:14,952 --> 01:32:16,643
a a reassessment, it's not always.

1454
01:32:17,173 --> 01:32:17,813
Higher, higher, higher.

1455
01:32:18,283 --> 01:32:22,299
For keeping through the current could
actually potentially bring down what

1456
01:32:22,299 --> 01:32:26,583
people are seeing coming out of their
pocketbooks when it comes to the taxes we

1457
01:32:26,583 --> 01:32:28,243
just have to stay on top of it.

1458
01:32:30,933 --> 01:32:32,653
So I don't know if I really want to ask a
question here.

1459
01:32:32,653 --> 01:32:37,794
Probably not for this discussion,
but my question is released more to

1460
01:32:37,794 --> 01:32:43,302
exemptions and related to church owned
property because you have churches,

1461
01:32:43,302 --> 01:32:46,093
parishes within our all the community.

1462
01:32:46,093 --> 01:32:47,693
We're not just talking county.

1463
01:32:48,403 --> 01:32:54,283
Are closing down and the properties are
being sold the private owners.

1464
01:32:54,443 --> 01:33:00,991
How is that exemption removed then from
the property and I see other properties

1465
01:33:00,991 --> 01:33:05,003
are coming in as classified as I think a
church.

1466
01:33:05,003 --> 01:33:09,678
How do they get exemptions,
and especially if they're like in A and

1467
01:33:09,678 --> 01:33:13,596
this is urban,
if they're in a shopping mall and they're

1468
01:33:13,596 --> 01:33:16,003
part of an entire a bigger complex?

1469
01:33:16,733 --> 01:33:17,613
That is owned by.

1470
01:33:18,323 --> 01:33:21,963
An individual and not necessarily a
church own property.

1471
01:33:21,963 --> 01:33:24,123
I'm looking just curious about that.

1472
01:33:24,123 --> 01:33:25,683
We actually have some property.

1473
01:33:25,923 --> 01:33:30,723
I've seen properties sold in our village
from the church to private individuals,

1474
01:33:30,723 --> 01:33:35,405
and we have another piece of property
where that interest is coming forward to

1475
01:33:35,405 --> 01:33:38,843
to purchase that and I'm all for, yeah,
we don't need it.

1476
01:33:38,843 --> 01:33:40,363
Let's let's move on there.

1477
01:33:41,363 --> 01:33:43,563
Everything is is assessed as.

1478
01:33:45,493 --> 01:33:45,613
Of.

1479
01:33:45,933 --> 01:33:47,453
March 1st taxable status date.

1480
01:33:48,153 --> 01:33:50,113
What's happening with that problem?

1481
01:33:50,113 --> 01:33:54,109
So if a property has sold that was exempt
throughout the year,

1482
01:33:54,109 --> 01:33:57,979
March 1st comes along bad assessor's
gonna remove that roll.

1483
01:33:57,979 --> 01:34:02,864
Section 8 hold the exempt status and
they're gonna become fully taxable with

1484
01:34:02,864 --> 01:34:03,753
the following.

1485
01:34:05,253 --> 01:34:08,525
It becomes final July 1st and then the
school bill.

1486
01:34:08,525 --> 01:34:12,742
They will become fully taxable,
so they will become fully taxable.

1487
01:34:12,742 --> 01:34:14,253
If it's in a strip mall.

1488
01:34:14,253 --> 01:34:16,933
I can think of one that is it's a
residential.

1489
01:34:16,933 --> 01:34:17,973
It's a percentage.

1490
01:34:18,443 --> 01:34:24,447
They only base that wholly exempt portion
on just the square footage of that

1491
01:34:24,447 --> 01:34:27,723
building that that fully exempt is taking.

1492
01:34:27,763 --> 01:34:29,683
So we are finding that.

1493
01:34:31,253 --> 01:34:37,186
There's some housing that goes along with
the church that either the pastor's

1494
01:34:37,186 --> 01:34:40,533
living in things like that as soon as
that.

1495
01:34:40,533 --> 01:34:47,015
And I know of an example that we know
that this House was part of the church,

1496
01:34:47,015 --> 01:34:49,093
but now it's up for rent.

1497
01:34:50,003 --> 01:34:55,245
So the assessor removes that exemption
status because if they're up front,

1498
01:34:55,245 --> 01:34:57,203
it's no longer fully exempt.

1499
01:34:57,803 --> 01:35:03,025
So the assessors have to be aware of this.
The assessors have to know their towns

1500
01:35:03,025 --> 01:35:07,802
and what is going on in their town and
when we see things come through our

1501
01:35:07,802 --> 01:35:12,133
office, because we pass the sales,
we do our sales first before the

1502
01:35:12,133 --> 01:35:13,853
assessors. If we see somet.

1503
01:35:13,883 --> 01:35:18,163
That's in rural section a fully exempt
and it's being sold to a private party.

1504
01:35:18,163 --> 01:35:19,403
We'll put notations on it.

1505
01:35:19,763 --> 01:35:23,917
So the assessor will see that flag that
they need to look at this.

1506
01:35:23,917 --> 01:35:27,141
So some of the stuff we try to catch in
our office,

1507
01:35:27,141 --> 01:35:30,923
the assessor has to be very active in his
sounds, her towns.

1508
01:35:32,453 --> 01:35:34,813
I'm going to start having mass in my
garage. Revolutionary.

1509
01:35:37,013 --> 01:35:39,613
You know,
and and cemeteries and another big thing.

1510
01:35:39,933 --> 01:35:42,620
Yeah,
they think that if you have a gravesite

1511
01:35:42,620 --> 01:35:44,373
on your property, you're holy.

1512
01:35:44,373 --> 01:35:49,093
Exempt doesn't work like that, OK.

1513
01:35:49,443 --> 01:35:50,403
That's all. Sorry.

1514
01:35:52,533 --> 01:35:55,293
Be more on this topic before.
Now we turn to budget.

1515
01:35:57,173 --> 01:35:59,413
OK. Do you want me to miss Michael?

1516
01:35:59,413 --> 01:36:01,053
Oh, you want to take a minute?

1517
01:36:03,053 --> 01:36:05,933
Yeah, we'll take a Friday. Thank you.

1518
01:42:08,173 --> 01:42:09,733
We are welcoming everyone back.

1519
01:42:11,573 --> 01:42:12,773
To continue.

1520
01:42:21,013 --> 01:42:25,053
Our present overview of who are inventors.

1521
01:42:26,723 --> 01:42:29,003
Since the last talk. Yeah, pretty good.
So.

1522
01:42:30,733 --> 01:42:35,284
Two weeks ago, we last met,
so we were about $1,000,

1523
01:42:35,284 --> 01:42:42,413
000 from being balanced in the last two
weeks, we've seen adjustments up and down.

1524
01:42:42,413 --> 01:42:44,413
We've continued to to work through that.

1525
01:42:46,133 --> 01:42:50,191
There was a significant adjustment
related to nyisler payments at the end of

1526
01:42:50,191 --> 01:42:50,613
the day.

1527
01:42:50,613 --> 01:42:56,933
Right now we are about $860,
000 away from having a a balance.

1528
01:42:57,843 --> 01:43:00,638
Budget.
There are some things included in there

1529
01:43:00,638 --> 01:43:05,296
not included in there that you know we
can talk through some of the significant

1530
01:43:05,296 --> 01:43:06,403
items worth noting.

1531
01:43:06,403 --> 01:43:09,347
I shouldn't say you know,
significant that help us get to that

1532
01:43:09,347 --> 01:43:10,563
number that are important.

1533
01:43:12,213 --> 01:43:14,973
First thing,
I took a a look at sales tax again.

1534
01:43:14,973 --> 01:43:18,651
Still wanted to remain conservative on
that,

1535
01:43:18,651 --> 01:43:24,373
but we increased that revenue projections
from 2% to 2 and a percent.

1536
01:43:25,643 --> 01:43:27,723
We then looked at.

1537
01:43:29,453 --> 01:43:33,721
On the the fund balance side of where we
were going to take 2.

1538
01:43:33,721 --> 01:43:36,093
4 million and reset to 2.6 million.

1539
01:43:37,773 --> 01:43:43,364
Then looking at the building reserve and
was previously applying about 100,

1540
01:43:43,364 --> 01:43:48,882
000 of that towards our some of the the
capital projects that are in there

1541
01:43:48,882 --> 01:43:50,133
specifically the.

1542
01:43:52,333 --> 01:43:53,693
The parking lot with mental health.

1543
01:43:54,283 --> 01:43:58,879
I am not applying any of it to the dry
storage building that so we bought an

1544
01:43:58,879 --> 01:44:02,163
additional 200,
000 out of the building reserve which.

1545
01:44:03,653 --> 01:44:06,703
Effectively, from a net perspective,
we won't be putting the 300,

1546
01:44:06,703 --> 01:44:08,413
000 we normally put into the reserve.

1547
01:44:08,413 --> 01:44:11,253
We'll be using it on on building related
projects.

1548
01:44:13,093 --> 01:44:19,093
And took out all of the the positions
we'll talk about filled positions in

1549
01:44:19,093 --> 01:44:23,813
executive session, right? Yeah.
But at the last committee,

1550
01:44:23,813 --> 01:44:25,733
it was the new position.

1551
01:44:26,643 --> 01:44:29,043
We took those out.

1552
01:44:30,813 --> 01:44:32,013
For the reallocations so far.

1553
01:44:32,013 --> 01:44:35,213
Except yeah, except there are.

1554
01:44:37,843 --> 01:44:39,043
2 reallocations.

1555
01:44:44,373 --> 01:44:47,573
So the only reallocations that are still
in the budget.

1556
01:44:49,213 --> 01:44:53,272
As of right now,
relate to the forensic counselor,

1557
01:44:53,272 --> 01:44:59,402
which is the position that lives in both
the grant and the operating and the

1558
01:44:59,402 --> 01:45:03,780
rehabilitation specialist.
So to employment contracts,

1559
01:45:03,780 --> 01:45:05,293
education contract.

1560
01:45:07,493 --> 01:45:10,088
So position wise,
all of that has been taken out.

1561
01:45:10,088 --> 01:45:12,373
You know the discussion with the
committee.

1562
01:45:16,293 --> 01:45:17,173
And so we're about.

1563
01:45:17,763 --> 01:45:19,163
About that 800,000.

1564
01:45:21,093 --> 01:45:23,013
So we took it forward and another step.

1565
01:45:23,053 --> 01:45:24,093
So like Michael said.

1566
01:45:26,253 --> 01:45:30,773
During the last, we had about 21,
000 as a recalculation in one of our.

1567
01:45:32,853 --> 01:45:37,893
Up and then we had to take the following
steps to reduce.

1568
01:45:39,533 --> 01:45:47,323
Some of our expenses and we were able to
increase our sales tax and teaching 2.

1569
01:45:47,323 --> 01:45:49,173
5 that gave us 130.

1570
01:45:50,043 --> 01:45:56,935
1000, We're now taking the $200,
000 from sales tax into the building

1571
01:45:56,935 --> 01:45:57,723
reserve.

1572
01:45:57,883 --> 01:46:01,963
Building reserve, as you know it's 300,
000 from sales tax.

1573
01:46:02,323 --> 01:46:04,123
We're now taking 200,000.

1574
01:46:07,453 --> 01:46:11,806
And adding it to the code,
taking an additional 200,

1575
01:46:11,806 --> 01:46:17,063
000 from the General Fund,
saving some 6000 from a expense that

1576
01:46:17,063 --> 01:46:18,213
personnel has.

1577
01:46:19,683 --> 01:46:26,330
Workers comp came in lower than we
anticipated and level positions,

1578
01:46:26,330 --> 01:46:32,292
so that will focus more on .
8 really more through back 866,

1579
01:46:32,292 --> 01:46:35,323
000 and where we are today, OK.

1580
01:46:37,013 --> 01:46:39,933
And so that so we try everything we
possibly can at the moment.

1581
01:46:41,893 --> 01:46:47,564
To reduce it down to the staff and we
still have the staff and I don't know if

1582
01:46:47,564 --> 01:46:53,378
you want me over figures again because
we've just been a lot of data that you as

1583
01:46:53,378 --> 01:46:55,173
you know you know we are.

1584
01:46:55,173 --> 01:46:57,493
We're at 5.5 property tax.

1585
01:46:58,923 --> 01:47:02,108
Because as much as we can open with sales
tax,

1586
01:47:02,108 --> 01:47:06,243
we look at all the programs to see where
we can come in and.

1587
01:47:07,973 --> 01:47:09,973
Streamline work around places.

1588
01:47:10,853 --> 01:47:15,053
We're really at this moment basically
$866,000.

1589
01:47:16,863 --> 01:47:20,303
So that's where we're looking at.
Is there anything else you want to add?

1590
01:47:22,293 --> 01:47:23,925
No,
just obviously we'll talk about the

1591
01:47:23,925 --> 01:47:24,333
positions.

1592
01:47:25,213 --> 01:47:27,653
Yeah, right, field positions, however.

1593
01:47:29,133 --> 01:47:30,733
So we have a bit of a challenge.

1594
01:47:33,133 --> 01:47:33,533
So with the.

1595
01:47:35,853 --> 01:47:39,917
Taking more from the fund balance,
is that gonna keep us within our

1596
01:47:39,917 --> 01:47:40,933
statutory limits?

1597
01:47:43,413 --> 01:47:44,413
Will it be slightly under?

1598
01:47:44,413 --> 01:47:45,013
The slightly under.

1599
01:47:45,993 --> 01:47:50,423
It was about 200,000. I mean,
we basically what we were using was

1600
01:47:50,423 --> 01:47:51,833
brought us to the 13.

1601
01:47:51,833 --> 01:47:54,273
So that just tips it slight.

1602
01:47:56,013 --> 01:47:59,440
And on sales tax revenue,
we have a number where we're at here to

1603
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:01,933
date now and we're gonna about a 2 1/2
percent.

1604
01:48:01,933 --> 01:48:03,373
It's historically been 2.

1605
01:48:06,413 --> 01:48:09,093
Are we seeing 2 1/2% this year?

1606
01:48:09,093 --> 01:48:10,253
Yes, actually, yes.

1607
01:48:11,413 --> 01:48:14,213
So our October payments.

1608
01:48:14,843 --> 01:48:17,540
Uh, actually,
we just received the second one today

1609
01:48:17,540 --> 01:48:20,083
that are actually September received in
October.

1610
01:48:20,203 --> 01:48:22,963
Those were actually up significantly.

1611
01:48:22,963 --> 01:48:30,803
So the third quarter itself was up 14 1/2
percent, which brings our total to date.

1612
01:48:32,333 --> 01:48:33,493
Were up 2.9%.

1613
01:48:35,573 --> 01:48:38,053
And this will actually revolve 2.5,
so we did.

1614
01:48:39,773 --> 01:48:40,933
Record the share of two point.

1615
01:48:42,653 --> 01:48:45,133
7:00 so that would be about. Yeah.
So at 8/6.

1616
01:48:45,603 --> 01:48:48,603
866 yeah, 866 is remaining.

1617
01:48:48,643 --> 01:48:49,683
What is that?

1618
01:48:49,923 --> 01:48:51,643
We're going to a percentage of.

1619
01:48:54,733 --> 01:48:55,533
Two more.

1620
01:48:55,613 --> 01:48:57,813
Two more percent, OK.

1621
01:48:57,813 --> 01:49:01,133
So we're gonna be like 7 1/2.
We're gonna 7 1/2 percent, probably 6.

1622
01:49:01,973 --> 01:49:05,453
So the one thing I do want to point out
that I did too is, you know,

1623
01:49:05,453 --> 01:49:09,489
when we look at historically where a
budget you know growth was year over year,

1624
01:49:09,489 --> 01:49:13,373
we were in that seven and a half,
8% that we talked about in the June model.

1625
01:49:13,773 --> 01:49:14,973
Of growing your budget.

1626
01:49:16,203 --> 01:49:21,323
Where we have done the departments and
amazing job at contracting that.

1627
01:49:21,323 --> 01:49:23,323
So our growth is looking about 3%.

1628
01:49:23,833 --> 01:49:27,782
So this is really, you know,
we've done a really good job of trying to

1629
01:49:27,782 --> 01:49:30,953
control the the expense side of of what
is controllable.

1630
01:49:31,033 --> 01:49:34,247
You know,
we've talked about previously about the

1631
01:49:34,247 --> 01:49:38,233
uncontrollable insurance, healthcare,
things like that, yeah.

1632
01:49:46,823 --> 01:49:50,009
So Michael,
I'm a little confused because this

1633
01:49:50,009 --> 01:49:53,263
committee gave you direction the other
week to.

1634
01:49:55,163 --> 01:49:59,866
Not move forward on any of the positions
that didn't equate to the $612,

1635
01:49:59,866 --> 01:50:05,020
000 in savings that you had projected in
the spreadsheet you provided to us for

1636
01:50:05,020 --> 01:50:09,723
those positions that you approved moving
forward, had it in your budget?

1637
01:50:11,153 --> 01:50:12,833
Those were were taken out.

1638
01:50:12,873 --> 01:50:14,873
Yeah, we were out.

1639
01:50:14,873 --> 01:50:15,433
We were at $1,000,000.

1640
01:50:15,433 --> 01:50:18,506
We took out 612,
000 because we didn't approve any

1641
01:50:18,506 --> 01:50:23,507
positions and now we're still only at 800,
000 because we went out and we went out

1642
01:50:23,507 --> 01:50:24,713
and where did we go?

1643
01:50:24,713 --> 01:50:32,473
Up another million and calculation Andrew
was saying 4, I'm sorry.

1644
01:50:36,763 --> 01:50:39,083
Three times, yes, there was a MIS capital.

1645
01:50:41,313 --> 01:50:48,953
For this presentation that had not been
that really how I'm sure.

1646
01:50:49,073 --> 01:50:50,433
In addition to what we were.

1647
01:50:51,843 --> 01:50:54,883
Just like the second year in a row,
we've had an issue with their.

1648
01:50:56,723 --> 01:50:57,283
Miscalculation.

1649
01:51:00,333 --> 01:51:01,453
Phone call this be hard.

1650
01:51:01,813 --> 01:51:04,373
She did the budget, but no, that's good.

1651
01:51:04,373 --> 01:51:07,463
But before the last. Yeah. Miscalculation.
Yeah,

1652
01:51:07,463 --> 01:51:12,068
I would say that is normal processes.
With that every number all the way

1653
01:51:12,068 --> 01:51:12,573
through.

1654
01:51:12,773 --> 01:51:13,933
So I'm go up some go down.

1655
01:51:15,443 --> 01:51:19,536
Oh, that was back up.
And that's why when you apply the

1656
01:51:19,536 --> 01:51:23,483
positions,
that literally goes back to 800 and 66947.

1657
01:51:25,443 --> 01:51:25,523
So.

1658
01:51:28,003 --> 01:51:28,923
Which is what we're facing.

1659
01:51:29,233 --> 01:51:32,993
So I would entertain any thoughts and and.

1660
01:51:34,603 --> 01:51:39,323
That still leaves.
I'm just saying andresolve the issue of

1661
01:51:39,323 --> 01:51:43,883
the worker training which you know needs
to be resolved.

1662
01:51:43,883 --> 01:51:49,723
That's something we filed about with face
state with 866 million without

1663
01:51:49,723 --> 01:51:51,163
considering, so I.

1664
01:51:53,723 --> 01:51:54,763
Think or.

1665
01:51:57,563 --> 01:52:01,643
Movement to to the county administrators
in their planning.

1666
01:52:02,153 --> 01:52:08,673
So this is the time to make an.

1667
01:52:10,643 --> 01:52:11,203
Assessment.

1668
01:52:13,003 --> 01:52:16,409
So, per the directive last,
I'm accounting management,

1669
01:52:16,409 --> 01:52:21,363
you've taken out all those new positions
that took out 600,000 and some change.

1670
01:52:21,363 --> 01:52:25,041
Yeah.
And we bumped back up another million.

1671
01:52:25,041 --> 01:52:27,003
And so there we are, OK.

1672
01:52:28,763 --> 01:52:31,883
When we changed those,
when we took out those positions.

1673
01:52:32,233 --> 01:52:37,913
Did we touch anything with education and
training for various parts? We did not.

1674
01:52:38,273 --> 01:52:42,177
OK, is in my mind's.
If we're not going to move forward with a

1675
01:52:42,177 --> 01:52:46,205
lot of those positions,
then I think we need to take a hard look

1676
01:52:46,205 --> 01:52:50,233
at what some of those line items for
education and training are.

1677
01:52:50,793 --> 01:52:54,913
So I would make this action item for the
county administrator.

1678
01:52:58,563 --> 01:53:01,123
I don't know how to make a whole lot of
people happy, but that's OK.

1679
01:53:02,603 --> 01:53:05,083
For every department outside.

1680
01:53:06,603 --> 01:53:07,683
Of county legislature.

1681
01:53:08,993 --> 01:53:10,753
And county administrator.

1682
01:53:13,363 --> 01:53:16,403
But every education training wine item.

1683
01:53:18,043 --> 01:53:20,523
From last year's levels by 50%.

1684
01:53:22,243 --> 01:53:24,723
With county legislature and county
administrator.

1685
01:53:26,323 --> 01:53:26,963
Cut 100%.

1686
01:53:33,613 --> 01:53:38,360
As you know,
with the education and training those

1687
01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:43,293
departments outside of the county level
soldier and.

1688
01:53:45,083 --> 01:53:47,831
Administrator some of those were needed.
OK,

1689
01:53:47,831 --> 01:53:50,763
so that all will be able to do those
trainings.

1690
01:53:51,123 --> 01:53:54,283
So I think we might wanna non mandatory.

1691
01:53:55,323 --> 01:53:55,723
Yeah, once.

1692
01:53:55,923 --> 01:53:58,443
Yes for non.

1693
01:54:00,043 --> 01:54:00,243
Level.

1694
01:54:01,633 --> 01:54:02,033
Yes.

1695
01:54:03,523 --> 01:54:08,747
My administration covers all of the
departmental training in their budget,

1696
01:54:08,747 --> 01:54:09,723
though, right?

1697
01:54:09,723 --> 01:54:12,846
So we cover all department trainings,
personnel covers,

1698
01:54:12,846 --> 01:54:15,523
all of our management training and county
wide.

1699
01:54:17,733 --> 01:54:23,171
You're saying the legislature legislature
budget covers drinking? OK,

1700
01:54:23,171 --> 01:54:25,813
so I'll keep putting that 100% on.

1701
01:54:25,813 --> 01:54:28,933
So those expenses were taken out of each.

1702
01:54:30,403 --> 01:54:31,283
Right.

1703
01:54:33,003 --> 01:54:36,523
So when things get shifted around,
it makes you're not able to look at.

1704
01:54:36,523 --> 01:54:39,163
That was something that we potentially
added in 2026.

1705
01:54:39,163 --> 01:54:42,763
Was that training for employees from an
employee development perspective?

1706
01:54:42,923 --> 01:54:45,523
So the Department of training included in
my budget the the.

1707
01:54:47,633 --> 01:54:51,033
Or Middle ash training with TC3,
with with personnel.

1708
01:54:53,923 --> 01:54:56,649
If we did that,
how many dollars are we talking about

1709
01:54:56,649 --> 01:54:57,003
saving?

1710
01:54:58,803 --> 01:55:03,675
It looks like from the figures that that
I have that I received this morning just

1711
01:55:03,675 --> 01:55:04,923
just looking at them.

1712
01:55:07,123 --> 01:55:09,603
Brings it about to be 150.

1713
01:55:11,443 --> 01:55:14,403
Maybe 150.
Just eyeballing the figures I receive.

1714
01:55:15,203 --> 01:55:19,621
And those figures include mandatory or
non mandatory or grant funded or whatever.

1715
01:55:19,621 --> 01:55:20,483
It's everything.

1716
01:55:22,153 --> 01:55:24,953
So don't be surprised.

1717
01:55:25,433 --> 01:55:25,473
I.

1718
01:55:25,473 --> 01:55:28,753
I don't know what it's good because you
have to tease all that out and that's all.

1719
01:55:28,753 --> 01:55:33,528
It's just it's have to tease all that out
to see if it's. That's, yeah.

1720
01:55:33,528 --> 01:55:36,513
Didn't realize they were all mixed
together.

1721
01:55:38,803 --> 01:55:43,363
Pretty well savings and people buying 600,
000 just like that you did.

1722
01:55:43,363 --> 01:55:43,483
He did.

1723
01:55:43,483 --> 01:55:46,843
We didn't contribute to the building
reserve fund, we just talked.

1724
01:55:46,843 --> 01:55:47,523
That's what we did.

1725
01:55:47,523 --> 01:55:51,083
Why should the same same same we did last
year?

1726
01:55:52,673 --> 01:55:55,164
I mean,
I think when you're looking at the

1727
01:55:55,164 --> 01:55:57,193
legislative budget, yeah, we could.

1728
01:55:57,193 --> 01:55:58,153
We could trim it.

1729
01:56:00,563 --> 01:56:00,683
But.

1730
01:56:02,683 --> 01:56:07,323
To to say that we are not here to,
to go to a conference.

1731
01:56:07,323 --> 01:56:12,683
I think we should maybe Tariq,
because going to these conferences.

1732
01:56:14,123 --> 01:56:18,443
Portland County is now then recognized.

1733
01:56:20,883 --> 01:56:21,443
As a contributor.

1734
01:56:22,033 --> 01:56:26,826
To February.
So for us to be able to waive or you know

1735
01:56:26,826 --> 01:56:30,313
anything like that or to bring stuff in.

1736
01:56:33,083 --> 01:56:34,563
It's a very big value.

1737
01:56:36,923 --> 01:56:38,243
And you know, we can do that.

1738
01:56:38,243 --> 01:56:43,163
I mean we can trim it and then only three
people go.

1739
01:56:45,883 --> 01:56:47,283
But that is.

1740
01:56:48,763 --> 01:56:50,443
That cannot be caught.

1741
01:56:52,233 --> 01:56:57,681
If you go to 0, can't go to 0.
If you want. If it wasn't on that.

1742
01:56:57,681 --> 01:57:02,634
If it wasn't on the app,
we would not be where we are in in

1743
01:57:02,634 --> 01:57:05,193
getting the jail taken care of.

1744
01:57:06,763 --> 01:57:10,698
You know, I mean,
these are the things that the legislature

1745
01:57:10,698 --> 01:57:12,403
is for and that's our job.

1746
01:57:12,923 --> 01:57:14,203
Or to go to Albany.

1747
01:57:14,203 --> 01:57:15,323
That's our job.

1748
01:57:15,993 --> 01:57:22,869
When legislators give up their personal
time to attend to lobby and educate

1749
01:57:22,869 --> 01:57:27,393
themselves at these conferences,
I think that is.

1750
01:57:30,043 --> 01:57:36,643
And I commend those that feel that they
can go in, not all of us.

1751
01:57:40,243 --> 01:57:44,923
So and I was a member of night club,
I'll tell you the benefits of that.

1752
01:57:45,313 --> 01:57:49,739
You can have my so much easier,
so much better picking up the phone and

1753
01:57:49,739 --> 01:57:52,812
saying hi,
this is so and so they know who you're

1754
01:57:52,812 --> 01:57:53,673
talking about.

1755
01:57:53,673 --> 01:57:57,073
They know what your issue is and you're
dealing with it and you're resolving.

1756
01:57:57,073 --> 01:57:58,513
So getting answers.

1757
01:58:00,993 --> 01:58:02,793
We need to continue with that.

1758
01:58:04,583 --> 01:58:05,183
Yes.

1759
01:58:06,483 --> 01:58:08,603
A little bit of devil's advocate, though.
I mean that.

1760
01:58:08,603 --> 01:58:10,283
That's that's the issue is you can't
measure.

1761
01:58:10,723 --> 01:58:13,203
You can have a great conference.

1762
01:58:13,203 --> 01:58:17,908
You can make a lot of connections with a
lot of people and and that's and I'm not

1763
01:58:17,908 --> 01:58:21,236
discounting any of that.
I I read the the Chairman's jail

1764
01:58:21,236 --> 01:58:25,081
presentation, but I was reading,
but at least for next year, yeah,

1765
01:58:25,081 --> 01:58:26,803
I I think we do need to tight.

1766
01:58:26,803 --> 01:58:31,040
Our belts a little bit and so maybe not
100%. So on that,

1767
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:33,963
the action I'm gonna put forward to 75%.

1768
01:58:35,643 --> 01:58:39,403
Or county administration or county
legislature.

1769
01:58:41,993 --> 01:58:44,913
Because we end up when we go to the
February.

1770
01:58:46,363 --> 01:58:46,483
1.

1771
01:58:48,603 --> 01:58:50,883
That is,
the proposed budget from the state.

1772
01:58:51,243 --> 01:58:54,901
That's our first Ave.
Figuring out what are we gonna get.

1773
01:58:54,901 --> 01:58:56,163
But what are we now?

1774
01:58:56,483 --> 01:59:00,883
What's in the pipeline for us to be
educated on what?

1775
01:59:01,003 --> 01:59:07,723
What funding is not gonna be provided or
what is and that is really necessary?

1776
01:59:09,443 --> 01:59:10,443
I think where Michael?

1777
01:59:11,153 --> 01:59:13,500
Oh,
do you think there's there's enormous

1778
01:59:13,500 --> 01:59:15,233
value to to that participation?

1779
01:59:15,233 --> 01:59:16,633
Do you ever look in that measure?

1780
01:59:16,633 --> 01:59:18,553
It doesn't mean there's zero impact.

1781
01:59:18,553 --> 01:59:19,833
I don't wanna make that statement.

1782
01:59:21,363 --> 01:59:23,763
That's I think that's our the team
building we've been doing with the

1783
01:59:23,763 --> 01:59:25,443
department heads has absolutely been
invaluable.

1784
01:59:25,443 --> 01:59:29,733
That really kicked off this week and
we've heard great feedback on trying to

1785
01:59:29,733 --> 01:59:34,301
educate our mail managers on, you know,
it doesn't mean just because you're great

1786
01:59:34,301 --> 01:59:37,254
at the job,
you now need to learn a new skill set on

1787
01:59:37,254 --> 01:59:39,483
how to how to manage. And that has been.

1788
01:59:39,873 --> 01:59:43,379
You know very well received.
So I would like to keep those programs

1789
01:59:43,379 --> 01:59:44,153
moving forward.

1790
01:59:44,753 --> 01:59:50,273
So when you're talking about what's
required.

1791
01:59:51,883 --> 01:59:54,523
So at at the last Isaac conference.

1792
01:59:56,843 --> 02:00:02,203
I I am now on the economic development.
Something else for April.

1793
02:00:03,923 --> 02:00:06,505
Which is the National Association of
Counties,

1794
02:00:06,505 --> 02:00:08,483
which is now going to be held in DC.

1795
02:00:10,313 --> 02:00:13,963
For that,
that's our time for us to lobby for

1796
02:00:13,963 --> 02:00:15,233
federal funding.

1797
02:00:16,763 --> 02:00:21,763
As well as at a county level to Mako to
get them to to chime in.

1798
02:00:23,483 --> 02:00:28,643
The one that we just went through with
Nisek Nyseck is going to be our is.

1799
02:00:28,643 --> 02:00:30,403
There are documents that we have.

1800
02:00:31,003 --> 02:00:36,203
They are now ones that are getting ready
to assist us in getting our grant.

1801
02:00:37,763 --> 02:00:38,403
Program created.

1802
02:00:39,473 --> 02:00:42,393
Or our jails that we cannot afford on our
own.

1803
02:00:44,003 --> 02:00:48,603
That's what we're here for.
And in that I would hate to have that.

1804
02:00:49,083 --> 02:00:53,523
Just suffer and and when you're looking
at HHS.

1805
02:00:55,323 --> 02:00:58,043
You know, I that's what's being.

1806
02:01:00,483 --> 02:01:03,742
Yes,
just to clarify the the action item is

1807
02:01:03,742 --> 02:01:06,483
not intended to sever us or anything.

1808
02:01:07,113 --> 02:01:10,993
From my side because I think the Jews
come out of a separate line for that.

1809
02:01:12,683 --> 02:01:15,949
And let's not, you know,
undervalue the value to give when I say,

1810
02:01:15,949 --> 02:01:18,523
but I do think in a year or yeah,
we're facing the.

1811
02:01:18,523 --> 02:01:20,123
I mean, we just had this $1,000,000.

1812
02:01:22,003 --> 02:01:26,096
Increase here out of nowhere.
So I I don't think it's unreasonable for,

1813
02:01:26,096 --> 02:01:29,109
you know,
if we look at the number one issue though,

1814
02:01:29,109 --> 02:01:32,350
but also standing us,
I mean the action was not just the

1815
02:01:32,350 --> 02:01:35,363
legislature or the administrents also non
mandatory.

1816
02:01:35,873 --> 02:01:42,777
Departments with their education and and
training expenses from 2025 levels,

1817
02:01:42,777 --> 02:01:44,033
50% reduction.

1818
02:01:44,473 --> 02:01:51,094
So are you saying it's 2025 levels and
then is trend 50% from there go back to

1819
02:01:51,094 --> 02:01:53,273
25 and then trim, correct?

1820
02:01:55,163 --> 02:01:57,043
No. Yeah, that's what I'm using.

1821
02:01:57,163 --> 02:02:00,303
That's OK because what I had where it was.
Every department,

1822
02:02:00,303 --> 02:02:03,648
I'll say the legislature and county
administrator for everybody,

1823
02:02:03,648 --> 02:02:07,663
education in particular would be percent
legislator and county administrator,

1824
02:02:07,663 --> 02:02:10,083
right.
70% besides mandatory or grant funding.

1825
02:02:12,923 --> 02:02:13,763
September 24th.

1826
02:02:15,503 --> 02:02:15,943
Which item?

1827
02:02:22,783 --> 02:02:23,663
Yes, 2.

1828
02:02:25,093 --> 02:02:25,493
I don't know.

1829
02:02:25,493 --> 02:02:26,973
On one hand it seems easy, but.

1830
02:02:28,483 --> 02:02:33,430
Save a little bit, but on the other hand,
the private industry for 30 years and

1831
02:02:33,430 --> 02:02:38,129
organizations following private that
don't wholeheartedly go into training,

1832
02:02:38,129 --> 02:02:39,923
education and all that stuff.

1833
02:02:41,643 --> 02:02:43,083
They really get behind that.

1834
02:02:43,243 --> 02:02:43,883
You're missing out.

1835
02:02:43,883 --> 02:02:45,403
I feel like the culture just changes.

1836
02:02:45,403 --> 02:02:49,660
They become a strange place that 'cause.
We've had a good touch with the outside

1837
02:02:49,660 --> 02:02:53,603
world and the employees in every level
are in their own little bubble and.

1838
02:02:55,443 --> 02:02:58,323
Struggle a struggle with producing trade.

1839
02:02:58,323 --> 02:03:01,300
It's almost like, if anything,
you'd you would you wanna increase it as

1840
02:03:01,300 --> 02:03:02,003
much as possible?

1841
02:03:02,353 --> 02:03:05,873
Not decrease her. Yeah, I'm sorry.

1842
02:03:07,763 --> 02:03:13,245
So when I was first elected previous to
and Sandy will remember this,

1843
02:03:13,245 --> 02:03:18,570
it was decided not to belong to MSN.
I think at the time it was 15,

1844
02:03:18,570 --> 02:03:22,643
000 a year or something to belong to it
and it was.

1845
02:03:22,643 --> 02:03:23,723
It did not exist.

1846
02:03:23,723 --> 02:03:25,563
We did not belong to it when it was
elected.

1847
02:03:26,403 --> 02:03:30,403
Somewhere along the line,
we voted to be a part of it.

1848
02:03:31,193 --> 02:03:36,273
And as Kevin and everybody else has said,
there's great value to absolutely.

1849
02:03:37,763 --> 02:03:41,990
People didn't even know where Corbin
County was or what we did,

1850
02:03:41,990 --> 02:03:43,443
and that's change now.

1851
02:03:45,163 --> 02:03:48,843
So I do think it's extremely important
that we stay within.

1852
02:03:50,483 --> 02:03:51,763
And we have representation there.

1853
02:03:51,803 --> 02:03:55,603
Networking is you can't even figure out
the cost of it.

1854
02:03:56,523 --> 02:03:57,643
That means sad.

1855
02:03:58,843 --> 02:04:02,883
I think that Reed is maybe going a little
strong on 100%.

1856
02:04:03,473 --> 02:04:05,793
Yeah, but I've also seen.

1857
02:04:07,923 --> 02:04:11,786
The county with our huge budget does not
ever look at little stuff.

1858
02:04:11,786 --> 02:04:15,763
If it's not $50,000 or something,
it's like, oh, that's not worth it.

1859
02:04:16,003 --> 02:04:17,523
But if every single.

1860
02:04:19,403 --> 02:04:23,018
Position every single everything in our
county was looked at. Little things.

1861
02:04:23,018 --> 02:04:24,803
Do you really need that new furniture?

1862
02:04:24,843 --> 02:04:27,083
Do we really need to spend 2000 on this?

1863
02:04:27,763 --> 02:04:31,765
The county never does that and I think
what Reed is saying is yes,

1864
02:04:31,765 --> 02:04:36,186
we need more segments important.
But can we cut down how many go if we're

1865
02:04:36,186 --> 02:04:36,843
sending 10?

1866
02:04:37,353 --> 02:04:40,873
Now, can we cut it down to four,
at least for a while?

1867
02:04:41,593 --> 02:04:46,267
But we don't look at little savings and
if we would look at little tiny savings

1868
02:04:46,267 --> 02:04:50,473
like this all across the board,
we could probably come up with 100,000,

1869
02:04:50,473 --> 02:04:51,233
but we don't.

1870
02:04:52,633 --> 02:04:57,753
I would like to just generally I didn't
wish you to do any right.

1871
02:04:57,793 --> 02:04:59,433
We came up with about 151.

1872
02:05:01,483 --> 02:05:02,243
No thanks.

1873
02:05:02,243 --> 02:05:02,643
So so.

1874
02:05:06,003 --> 02:05:11,615
We're not going to go forward with the
action item that we are going for,

1875
02:05:11,615 --> 02:05:16,469
the action we had last time,
which was to not include the, the,

1876
02:05:16,469 --> 02:05:22,082
the new position then should we have any
increases in education training?

1877
02:05:22,082 --> 02:05:23,523
I I don't think so.

1878
02:05:23,713 --> 02:05:27,251
I don't think that's that's difficult for
me to square that circle.

1879
02:05:27,251 --> 02:05:29,073
We're not gonna have new positions.

1880
02:05:30,683 --> 02:05:33,243
Then or or we can't have prior employees.

1881
02:05:33,283 --> 02:05:34,403
We're gonna have them.

1882
02:05:34,563 --> 02:05:35,963
Well, of course they do.

1883
02:05:35,963 --> 02:05:43,803
We're still gonna have funding available,
but increase of increases. OK, OK.

1884
02:05:43,803 --> 02:05:44,683
I hear a couple of different things.

1885
02:05:44,763 --> 02:05:47,843
Would it be possible if it seems to me,
we don't really know?

1886
02:05:50,683 --> 02:05:52,203
I mean, that's a Thursday that we refer.

1887
02:05:52,203 --> 02:05:53,083
We can give a general directive.

1888
02:05:53,473 --> 02:05:58,214
To count in the city,
we're looking at Anton to look at the

1889
02:05:58,214 --> 02:06:04,695
list of reasonable number of attendance
number of exactly how much we do exist on

1890
02:06:04,695 --> 02:06:09,674
the education training or not,
non managerial non grant funded

1891
02:06:09,674 --> 02:06:13,862
activities.
So we know what we're looking OK because

1892
02:06:13,862 --> 02:06:14,653
we may be.

1893
02:06:14,643 --> 02:06:17,793
Looking at 20,000,
we may be looking at 5000.

1894
02:06:17,793 --> 02:06:22,430
I have no idea because I don't know
education training by the means of other

1895
02:06:22,430 --> 02:06:23,153
departments.

1896
02:06:23,553 --> 02:06:29,633
Excluding now legislature and the county,
Mr. but I think would be you know.

1897
02:06:31,603 --> 02:06:32,523
Overall.

1898
02:06:34,523 --> 02:06:37,360
Administrator and chair to look at,
you know,

1899
02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:42,418
is there a way of looking at a number of
people who attend or legislate in county

1900
02:06:42,418 --> 02:06:46,243
administrative law that those numbers, OK,
controlling those?

1901
02:06:48,843 --> 02:06:52,804
Assessment and I'm looking at other
departments in terms of what's in non

1902
02:06:52,804 --> 02:06:55,642
mandatory,
non granted and we'll determine what that

1903
02:06:55,642 --> 02:06:55,803
is.

1904
02:06:55,953 --> 02:06:58,393
This letter will still be there.

1905
02:06:58,713 --> 02:07:02,793
We can't even sort of let you know,
is that OK?

1906
02:07:02,793 --> 02:07:03,193
Is that OK?

1907
02:07:03,193 --> 02:07:05,793
For the OK, I'm ready for 2027.

1908
02:07:07,203 --> 02:07:07,923
Is the legislative.

1909
02:07:09,843 --> 02:07:12,283
I can see the the real major important.

1910
02:07:14,803 --> 02:07:15,443
Is in February.

1911
02:07:17,243 --> 02:07:21,523
Right. That is.
So I could say in 2027 we only attend one.

1912
02:07:23,363 --> 02:07:23,843
Except for.

1913
02:07:25,563 --> 02:07:27,403
County administrator goes into your
budget.

1914
02:07:28,773 --> 02:07:33,653
But we also then have the chair just go
to the ball.

1915
02:07:36,163 --> 02:07:39,931
So whatever you need in your discussion,
you can figure out where that.

1916
02:07:39,931 --> 02:07:41,763
I understand. I understand to read.

1917
02:07:41,963 --> 02:07:45,001
And yeah,
you know anything he's contributing to

1918
02:07:45,001 --> 02:07:46,923
this, to this committee, right?

1919
02:07:46,923 --> 02:07:50,043
And it's not on that beers. OK, good.

1920
02:07:52,003 --> 02:07:53,403
So I'm gonna spell.

1921
02:07:53,403 --> 02:07:55,323
I'm sorry. No, no.

1922
02:07:55,323 --> 02:07:57,603
But what I'm saying is,
if every department.

1923
02:07:59,143 --> 02:08:03,370
Look for those little 500 thousand 2000.
You'd probably be surprised what we came

1924
02:08:03,370 --> 02:08:03,783
up with.

1925
02:08:05,473 --> 02:08:08,977
And every year we will have the
department head say, well,

1926
02:08:08,977 --> 02:08:11,353
I need this well, do you have the money?

1927
02:08:11,353 --> 02:08:13,873
Yeah, 'cause. I'm gonna move it from here,
and I'm gonna put it over there.

1928
02:08:13,873 --> 02:08:18,390
I have a real problem here because to me
that means there was a bulk there that

1929
02:08:18,390 --> 02:08:21,553
you didn't need and I've seen that for
all these years.

1930
02:08:21,593 --> 02:08:23,924
Oh no,
I'll get it from over here and I'll move

1931
02:08:23,924 --> 02:08:24,313
it here.

1932
02:08:24,433 --> 02:08:29,479
So if you had a clear buy new desk,
how many times have we seen somebody

1933
02:08:29,479 --> 02:08:31,553
moves 11 room to another room?

1934
02:08:31,553 --> 02:08:34,793
We spend thousands of dollars on new
carpet, even new everything.

1935
02:08:35,233 --> 02:08:39,513
When I walked in the office and go,
I don't see much wrong with this.

1936
02:08:39,513 --> 02:08:41,513
I just think we never look at little
stuff.

1937
02:08:41,513 --> 02:08:45,162
We only look at big stuff and if we look
at little stuff,

1938
02:08:45,162 --> 02:08:47,113
we might find that little $600.

1939
02:08:47,113 --> 02:08:48,033
Well, 860,000.

1940
02:08:48,033 --> 02:08:51,060
Not probably that much,
but we got to start looking at little

1941
02:08:51,060 --> 02:08:51,353
stuff.

1942
02:08:53,003 --> 02:08:54,763
And no,
I think the chairs should go to both.

1943
02:08:56,923 --> 02:08:57,003
So.

1944
02:08:58,803 --> 02:09:02,763
So just a couple of questions.
You know some of these things I also.

1945
02:09:05,193 --> 02:09:07,433
Like I raised in public works.

1946
02:09:08,923 --> 02:09:11,892
And not to call them out,
but it's just an example.

1947
02:09:11,892 --> 02:09:15,318
Is like you know it,
there's $2500 for clothing they didn't

1948
02:09:15,318 --> 02:09:17,203
have anybody with that last name.

1949
02:09:18,083 --> 02:09:21,543
I understand that unions have a clothing
budget and they've negotiated that.

1950
02:09:21,543 --> 02:09:22,083
That's fine.

1951
02:09:22,083 --> 02:09:24,405
I think we, you know,
we need to cover that.

1952
02:09:24,405 --> 02:09:27,657
But for some of these other things,
it's like I get, you know,

1953
02:09:27,657 --> 02:09:31,321
looking the same. But you know,
I don't know that we need a point $500

1954
02:09:31,321 --> 02:09:31,683
budget.

1955
02:09:31,723 --> 02:09:35,083
Same in their you know theirs.
They are now gonna be facing.

1956
02:09:35,823 --> 02:09:37,743
Normal $17,000 in vehicle.

1957
02:09:39,163 --> 02:09:42,839
Cheaper to do gas reimbursement, even at .
76 cents a mile.

1958
02:09:42,839 --> 02:09:46,821
They're not traveling that far. You know,
I think for this year,

1959
02:09:46,821 --> 02:09:51,293
if we can kind of go through and look at
some of those things, you know,

1960
02:09:51,293 --> 02:09:53,683
I think we can find some savings to to.

1961
02:09:53,683 --> 02:09:54,403
Linda's point.

1962
02:09:54,403 --> 02:09:57,603
I mean,
the other one that I would put out there

1963
02:09:57,603 --> 02:10:01,195
and and Michael,
this is gonna be you know a bit of a,

1964
02:10:01,195 --> 02:10:05,048
a hard one for you.
But do we need to hire a deputy county

1965
02:10:05,048 --> 02:10:05,963
administrator?

1966
02:10:06,843 --> 02:10:07,163
I mean.

1967
02:10:07,273 --> 02:10:08,113
We tried.

1968
02:10:08,113 --> 02:10:11,347
It didn't work out.
And remember the reason that it's fine,

1969
02:10:11,347 --> 02:10:14,043
but I mean that's like it's a $200,
000 position.

1970
02:10:14,043 --> 02:10:18,356
You know the whole department head Mike
has not been here, you know for a year.

1971
02:10:18,356 --> 02:10:21,483
But things seem to be going well.
Is that something that?

1972
02:10:21,483 --> 02:10:25,392
We either don't hire in 2027 or maybe do
like we did, the County Attorney.

1973
02:10:25,392 --> 02:10:28,103
We budgeted for half a year and we don't,
you know,

1974
02:10:28,103 --> 02:10:30,553
we don't look to hire until you know mid
year.

1975
02:10:32,403 --> 02:10:33,923
I just wonder on some of these things.

1976
02:10:35,563 --> 02:10:37,083
There's some of those sorts of
opportunities.

1977
02:10:37,673 --> 02:10:40,721
I'll look through and say, OK,
when I get Paul's,

1978
02:10:40,721 --> 02:10:44,868
you know what he's doing in his
department in IT to like, you know,

1979
02:10:44,868 --> 02:10:49,807
looking at these and that sort of stuff.
But, you know, this year it's like, OK,

1980
02:10:49,807 --> 02:10:53,283
are there cheaper alternatives that we
could utilize or?

1981
02:10:53,433 --> 02:10:57,528
If they really need a vehicle,
can we just borrow one from all the

1982
02:10:57,528 --> 02:11:01,073
vehicles that we there are like 500
vehicles in the pool.

1983
02:11:01,073 --> 02:11:03,231
I mean, is there one that we could,
you know,

1984
02:11:03,231 --> 02:11:06,845
kind of a junker that we could at least
use to moose equipment across to the

1985
02:11:06,845 --> 02:11:09,003
courthouse like that as opposed to,
you know,

1986
02:11:09,003 --> 02:11:12,523
going in for a new release this year just
to get us through some of these?

1987
02:11:13,433 --> 02:11:17,633
These things we do have a motion out the
floor, so.

1988
02:11:19,323 --> 02:11:20,723
Don't get that withdrawn.

1989
02:11:20,923 --> 02:11:23,083
I would need a second or oh,
I need to action OK.

1990
02:11:23,083 --> 02:11:25,683
Sorry, that's OK.

1991
02:11:25,683 --> 02:11:33,643
What's the motion on the second for the
motion 2025 of from the 2025 amounts to?

1992
02:11:35,203 --> 02:11:38,323
50% from the education and training from
every other requirement.

1993
02:11:38,793 --> 02:11:41,873
Then 75% from county administrator.

1994
02:11:41,873 --> 02:11:46,665
No that that non mandatory non mandatory.
I think we're grandfather it just

1995
02:11:46,665 --> 02:11:47,233
happened.

1996
02:11:49,273 --> 02:11:50,713
Yeah, all second.

1997
02:11:50,793 --> 02:11:52,153
So we'll discuss this.

1998
02:11:53,883 --> 02:11:55,363
Does that impact your?

1999
02:11:57,003 --> 02:12:02,811
Yourself when you go for a clerk,
so that if we cut mine for 550% because

2000
02:12:02,811 --> 02:12:07,363
I'm not the legislative budget and the
third legislature.

2001
02:12:08,033 --> 02:12:09,793
You can probably mine by 50%.

2002
02:12:09,793 --> 02:12:10,833
I would be able to go to anything.

2003
02:12:12,583 --> 02:12:16,063
I build in their respective work for
counter France.

2004
02:12:16,263 --> 02:12:17,223
These are special.

2005
02:12:17,263 --> 02:12:20,462
Lower one that would fall into it,
but I wouldn't be able to go to any

2006
02:12:20,462 --> 02:12:20,823
stacker.

2007
02:12:20,823 --> 02:12:22,743
But you could go down the cliffs one
right.

2008
02:12:23,383 --> 02:12:27,143
My office does not have many
opportunities for any grants.

2009
02:12:27,223 --> 02:12:31,475
Other departments have many opportunities
for grants for education and training,

2010
02:12:31,475 --> 02:12:34,888
but because of the work we do,
we don't have those kind of grant

2011
02:12:34,888 --> 02:12:35,623
opportunities.

2012
02:12:36,433 --> 02:12:38,833
So that would cut out a lot of our
education opportunity.

2013
02:12:39,983 --> 02:12:42,663
See what we're talking just one year on
this, right?

2014
02:12:42,743 --> 02:12:44,503
We're not making this forever.

2015
02:12:45,783 --> 02:12:48,830
Yes,
two I I would need more information that

2016
02:12:48,830 --> 02:12:50,023
you requested for.

2017
02:12:51,913 --> 02:12:54,246
Yeah,
I do understand where are saying yes,

2018
02:12:54,246 --> 02:12:56,633
I think we need to take our part in the
war.

2019
02:12:56,793 --> 02:12:59,753
Yes,
I think we need to see what we can do to.

2020
02:13:01,473 --> 02:13:04,397
Find a difficult place for specific
percentage of this time,

2021
02:13:04,397 --> 02:13:07,513
but I don't know what the number is and
that's the challenge so.

2022
02:13:07,593 --> 02:13:10,645
So if we could locate perhaps in London
as well,

2023
02:13:10,645 --> 02:13:14,633
the general directions and we will watch
the work at this cost.

2024
02:13:14,983 --> 02:13:21,290
We want the we can reduce the limit
nonvolatile training and see what they

2025
02:13:21,290 --> 02:13:28,103
can do to reduce what we have in the CRI.
We talked about general support, sure.

2026
02:13:28,343 --> 02:13:30,223
So I'll I'll amend it to the following.

2027
02:13:32,433 --> 02:13:37,033
Provide directive to the county
administrator to offer to the committee.

2028
02:13:39,553 --> 02:13:41,073
To possible solutions here.

2029
02:13:42,023 --> 02:13:49,377
On the 50% reduction from all non
mandatory non grant funded departments

2030
02:13:49,377 --> 02:13:52,903
for the entire county in education.

2031
02:13:54,593 --> 02:13:59,448
Same thing for 25% reduction and provide
us provide the committee with those

2032
02:13:59,448 --> 02:13:59,953
numbers.

2033
02:14:04,443 --> 02:14:07,643
So with the amendment,
we're requesting information.

2034
02:14:10,033 --> 02:14:10,593
Yes.

2035
02:14:12,313 --> 02:14:12,913
For both options.

2036
02:14:12,913 --> 02:14:15,353
For both options 50% and 25%.

2037
02:14:15,353 --> 02:14:18,593
So you're drawing the previous motion
completely correct.

2038
02:14:18,593 --> 02:14:20,473
You're OK with that as well? Sure.

2039
02:14:24,463 --> 02:14:29,549
And then we have a motion for the
administrator to get information on the

2040
02:14:29,549 --> 02:14:33,124
50% reduction in 25% reduction for all
departments,

2041
02:14:33,124 --> 02:14:38,210
for all mandatory or for all non
mandatory and non grant funded education

2042
02:14:38,210 --> 02:14:38,623
entry.

2043
02:14:39,863 --> 02:14:41,463
We have a second on that motion.

2044
02:14:47,443 --> 02:14:50,923
Discussion yes,
it won't be before I deliver the tender

2045
02:14:50,923 --> 02:14:51,483
question.

2046
02:14:51,483 --> 02:14:53,303
Mm-hmm.
There's no way to do that between now's

2047
02:14:53,303 --> 02:14:53,683
next week.

2048
02:14:53,923 --> 02:14:56,203
That's what we'll have to be in the
perfect.

2049
02:15:01,473 --> 02:15:03,393
So it's too late to go look for.

2050
02:15:04,703 --> 02:15:07,503
Things like we've all talked about the
car.

2051
02:15:08,953 --> 02:15:13,313
Some of those I've been looking for and
making, you know, reductions on that.

2052
02:15:13,313 --> 02:15:15,996
I mean,
I just really think there's a few $1000

2053
02:15:15,996 --> 02:15:18,233
out there and things that aren't needed.

2054
02:15:19,113 --> 02:15:20,393
Yeah, especially on the.

2055
02:15:22,393 --> 02:15:26,018
Well, I don't know if we wanna amend it,
but I would like to know what those costs

2056
02:15:26,018 --> 02:15:26,193
are.

2057
02:15:26,633 --> 02:15:29,113
That training is that we're covering
project.

2058
02:15:29,113 --> 02:15:29,993
It's not gonna happen.

2059
02:15:33,393 --> 02:15:33,593
OK.

2060
02:15:33,593 --> 02:15:34,113
You want to be doing.

2061
02:15:34,113 --> 02:15:35,833
You wanna detail?

2062
02:15:37,023 --> 02:15:39,223
Yep, you need it. OK, sure.

2063
02:15:39,303 --> 02:15:39,623
Thank you.

2064
02:15:40,903 --> 02:15:42,743
Sure. So I don't know, OK.

2065
02:15:45,753 --> 02:15:46,713
We're asking just for more detail.

2066
02:15:49,353 --> 02:15:49,673
Sorry.

2067
02:15:50,953 --> 02:15:55,913
Any more discussion, we'll say. Aye, aye.
Super. OK, moving on.

2068
02:15:58,153 --> 02:16:01,361
So.
So I'd like to go ahead and go back to

2069
02:16:01,361 --> 02:16:04,793
what we talked about a couple of minutes
ago.

2070
02:16:04,793 --> 02:16:09,713
I've got a prepared statement here I'd
like to raise the concern that I had.

2071
02:16:10,743 --> 02:16:14,595
Couple of minutes ago about the workforce
development and the funding for the

2072
02:16:14,595 --> 02:16:17,311
Workforce Development Department.
For nearly 60 years,

2073
02:16:17,311 --> 02:16:21,113
this department has provided essential
services to Cortland County residents

2074
02:16:21,113 --> 02:16:23,583
without requiring direct county taxpayer
support.

2075
02:16:23,583 --> 02:16:26,075
However,
significant reductions in federal funding

2076
02:16:26,075 --> 02:16:29,545
and short sighted decisions by the Trump
administration in Washington,

2077
02:16:29,545 --> 02:16:33,063
DC are now threatening critical workforce
training and youth employment

2078
02:16:33,063 --> 02:16:35,263
opportunities right here in Portland
County.

2079
02:16:35,833 --> 02:16:39,751
During the last program year,
more than 4300 customers came through our

2080
02:16:39,751 --> 02:16:40,513
Career Center.

2081
02:16:40,833 --> 02:16:45,283
The department also continues to assist
workers affected by recent local layoffs,

2082
02:16:45,283 --> 02:16:49,461
helping residents find employment,
develop new skills and become financially

2083
02:16:49,461 --> 02:16:50,113
independent.

2084
02:16:50,793 --> 02:16:54,546
I believe this is exactly the kind of
proactive investment government that all

2085
02:16:54,546 --> 02:16:58,394
levels should be making if the federal
government cannot recognize the values of

2086
02:16:58,394 --> 02:17:02,005
these investments from Washington,
I would hope that we can recognize their

2087
02:17:02,005 --> 02:17:03,953
importance right here in Portland County.

2088
02:17:04,223 --> 02:17:08,289
Supporting workforce development springs
of their local economy helps local

2089
02:17:08,289 --> 02:17:12,463
employers and can reduce future reliance
on tax payer funded social services.

2090
02:17:12,623 --> 02:17:16,676
These are investments that can pay
dividends well beyond their initial costs.

2091
02:17:16,676 --> 02:17:19,482
Importantly,
the department has significantly reduced

2092
02:17:19,482 --> 02:17:23,171
its original funding request and is
actively pursuing additional grant

2093
02:17:23,171 --> 02:17:27,328
opportunities in regional consolidation
efforts to establish a more sustainable

2094
02:17:27,328 --> 02:17:29,822
funding model.
If these efforts are successful,

2095
02:17:29,822 --> 02:17:31,433
the county's financial contrib.

2096
02:17:31,783 --> 02:17:35,670
May be substantially reduced or perhaps
not needed at all. However,

2097
02:17:35,670 --> 02:17:38,357
until those funds funding sources are
secured,

2098
02:17:38,357 --> 02:17:42,817
I believe we have a responsibility to
ensure these important services are not

2099
02:17:42,817 --> 02:17:43,103
lost.

2100
02:17:43,543 --> 02:17:46,909
This is not a request for indefinite
financial commitment.

2101
02:17:46,909 --> 02:17:51,417
It is a request to establish a temporary
bridge to protect essential services,

2102
02:17:51,417 --> 02:17:55,183
while the department works towards long
term financial stability.

2103
02:17:55,183 --> 02:17:58,423
With that in mind,
I would like to make the following motion.

2104
02:17:58,543 --> 02:18:01,344
I move that the finance and
Administration committee direct the

2105
02:18:01,344 --> 02:18:02,263
county administrator.

2106
02:18:02,953 --> 02:18:04,553
In this capacity as county budget
officers.

2107
02:18:05,063 --> 02:18:08,675
To identify and recommend a means of
including two $100,

2108
02:18:08,675 --> 02:18:13,618
000 in available bridge funding for the
Portland County Workforce Development

2109
02:18:13,618 --> 02:18:18,561
Department in the proposed 2027 county
budget to preserve essential workforce

2110
02:18:18,561 --> 02:18:21,540
training,
employment assistance and youth work

2111
02:18:21,540 --> 02:18:25,723
experience programs impacted by
reductions in federal funding. I.

2112
02:18:25,713 --> 02:18:29,365
Further move that the county
administrator work with the department to

2113
02:18:29,365 --> 02:18:33,377
assess additional grant funding and
regional consolidation opportunities with

2114
02:18:33,377 --> 02:18:34,303
the understanding.

2115
02:18:34,543 --> 02:18:38,739
The county's contribution should be
reduced or eliminated to the extent that

2116
02:18:38,739 --> 02:18:43,263
alternative funding becomes available and
is sufficient to sustain these services.

2117
02:18:43,263 --> 02:18:47,833
This approach protects critical workforce
development programs while ensuring that

2118
02:18:47,833 --> 02:18:51,303
county taxpayer dollars are used only to
the extent necessary.

2119
02:18:51,423 --> 02:18:55,125
We may not be able to control the
decisions being made in Washington,

2120
02:18:55,125 --> 02:18:59,303
but we can control how we respond to the
consequences here in Portland County.

2121
02:19:00,043 --> 02:19:02,963
All of that language included in your
action.

2122
02:19:04,433 --> 02:19:10,143
I will not only send that to you, OK.
So prior to moving on that request,

2123
02:19:10,143 --> 02:19:13,153
I'd like to move into the construction.

2124
02:19:13,673 --> 02:19:15,153
We do have a motion number.

2125
02:19:15,233 --> 02:19:18,896
There's no second,
and I'm asking you to remove the

2126
02:19:18,896 --> 02:19:23,193
executive session.
If you want to move to executive session.

2127
02:19:23,953 --> 02:19:27,153
Yeah.
What is the purpose of executive session?

2128
02:19:27,153 --> 02:19:30,655
Well,
it's time motion before the and then we

2129
02:19:30,655 --> 02:19:33,473
can ask what we consider your motion.

2130
02:19:33,863 --> 02:19:37,863
In this full time that we have to move
towards and what do that or?

2131
02:19:39,473 --> 02:19:41,593
That's fine. You don't have to read it.

2132
02:19:43,273 --> 02:19:44,553
You don't have to read it again.

2133
02:19:46,153 --> 02:19:48,907
All right.
We have a motion to go to executive

2134
02:19:48,907 --> 02:19:51,193
session, I believe for the purposes of.

2135
02:19:53,513 --> 02:19:56,273
The potential appointment or devotion of
a particular person.

2136
02:19:58,353 --> 02:19:59,833
I have a second by Mr. Cleveland.

2137
02:20:00,143 --> 02:20:00,703
Thanks.

2138
02:20:02,703 --> 02:20:04,383
Description I'll say hi.

2139
02:20:06,913 --> 02:20:09,793
To the caption on 1168.

2140
02:40:47,143 --> 02:40:49,423
The executive session at 11:36.

2141
02:40:50,703 --> 02:40:52,143
To make the best of the future.

2142
02:41:27,443 --> 02:41:27,843
Yeah.

2143
02:41:45,043 --> 02:41:46,843
This afternoon, the agents.

2144
02:42:43,033 --> 02:42:44,353
Appropriately grant.

2145
02:42:46,673 --> 02:42:47,753
That's funny.

2146
02:44:26,903 --> 02:44:28,783
So we have a motion on the table.

2147
02:44:30,313 --> 02:44:34,238
Please making my move that the finance
and Administration Committee, director,

2148
02:44:34,238 --> 02:44:38,262
county administrator's capacity is county
budget officers identify and recommend

2149
02:44:38,262 --> 02:44:41,393
and meet, including two $100,
000 in available bridge funding.

2150
02:44:46,773 --> 02:44:50,483
For the Portland County Workforce
Development Department in the proposed

2151
02:44:50,483 --> 02:44:53,583
2027 county budget to preserve essential
workforce training,

2152
02:44:53,583 --> 02:44:57,547
employment assistance and youth work
experience programs impacting reductions

2153
02:44:57,547 --> 02:45:01,308
impacted by reductions in federal funding
and further moved to the county

2154
02:45:01,308 --> 02:45:04,713
administrator work with the department to
assess additional grant.

2155
02:45:04,713 --> 02:45:07,964
Funding and regional consolidation
opportunities with the understanding that

2156
02:45:07,964 --> 02:45:10,413
the county's contribution shall be
reduced or eliminated.

2157
02:45:11,073 --> 02:45:13,962
The extent that alternative funding
becomes available in a sufficient to

2158
02:45:13,962 --> 02:45:14,873
sustain these services.

2159
02:45:19,243 --> 02:45:20,243
I'll 2nd.

2160
02:45:23,623 --> 02:45:24,303
Discussion.

2161
02:45:27,363 --> 02:45:31,363
Motion is to correct the administrative.

2162
02:45:32,503 --> 02:45:34,623
Research not proving.

2163
02:45:36,313 --> 02:45:37,193
No, hear that right.

2164
02:45:37,233 --> 02:45:39,913
Identify and recommend the means of
including 200,000.

2165
02:45:41,673 --> 02:45:42,713
But if he doesn't, then.

2166
02:45:45,753 --> 02:45:49,633
He's saying go and go find money.

2167
02:45:53,513 --> 02:45:55,713
Going to make $1,000,
000 problems and make 100.

2168
02:46:00,893 --> 02:46:01,813
At this moment.

2169
02:46:03,633 --> 02:46:05,353
I believe that there is possibility.

2170
02:46:07,033 --> 02:46:07,633
I can't.

2171
02:46:07,633 --> 02:46:08,833
I can't hear you.

2172
02:46:08,833 --> 02:46:11,473
I'm sorry. I sorry. Can I go?

2173
02:46:14,793 --> 02:46:15,273
Or.

2174
02:46:17,633 --> 02:46:22,952
I think that he has no time to prove that
that I'm uncomfortable.

2175
02:46:22,952 --> 02:46:28,433
If any song at this moment,
because I will be able to choose songs.

2176
02:46:29,233 --> 02:46:33,414
So for for my purposes,
I do not need to support it until I

2177
02:46:33,414 --> 02:46:35,993
actually hear what exactly is needed.

2178
02:46:36,523 --> 02:46:37,763
In order to promote.

2179
02:46:39,673 --> 02:46:40,553
The business.

2180
02:46:42,313 --> 02:46:48,210
This business can you can you offer an
explanation to the committee as to why

2181
02:46:48,210 --> 02:46:51,688
the 200 it it's 200,000 now not for 400,
000.

2182
02:46:51,688 --> 02:46:56,073
So in previous iteration of the budget
that we presented.

2183
02:46:57,753 --> 02:46:59,033
I don't know how long it's been now.

2184
02:47:00,793 --> 02:47:05,353
But funding that we would normally put in
our newness budget.

2185
02:47:05,663 --> 02:47:11,983
Is funding that we project right because
we don't get our funding until?

2186
02:47:13,713 --> 02:47:18,798
April may somewhere in there for the
majority of our grants,

2187
02:47:18,798 --> 02:47:24,633
so therefore all the years that I've been
doing this, we use January.

2188
02:47:26,433 --> 02:47:29,233
To sorry, July to June numbers.

2189
02:47:30,673 --> 02:47:33,278
And we stretch them out.
So January to June,

2190
02:47:33,278 --> 02:47:35,073
we know what those numbers are.

2191
02:47:35,503 --> 02:47:40,823
From July to December,
we have to really use those same figures.

2192
02:47:42,313 --> 02:47:47,033
But forecasting what goes next six months
might look like, right?

2193
02:47:47,473 --> 02:47:52,693
And with the help of our financial
oversight folks, our Department of Labor,

2194
02:47:52,693 --> 02:47:57,100
we did that with this particular budget.
The last budget we did,

2195
02:47:57,100 --> 02:47:59,473
we wrapped off the we owe a number.

2196
02:47:59,473 --> 02:48:01,233
We left off the tan of number.

2197
02:48:01,233 --> 02:48:05,273
We did not include any grants that we
didn't already have secured.

2198
02:48:05,943 --> 02:48:07,583
Which are those grants?

2199
02:48:07,743 --> 02:48:10,293
I mean,
we don't get that and we haven't already

2200
02:48:10,293 --> 02:48:11,543
gotten the Micron grant.

2201
02:48:11,543 --> 02:48:16,143
We haven't already gotten some of those
other smaller there's there's.

2202
02:48:17,793 --> 02:48:18,473
Ticket to work? Money.

2203
02:48:18,473 --> 02:48:24,845
There's some other stuff in there that we
recently been awarded which has brought

2204
02:48:24,845 --> 02:48:30,751
that number down and we've now included
the we owe a portion and the tenant

2205
02:48:30,751 --> 02:48:33,393
portion in that in budget because.

2206
02:48:35,333 --> 02:48:36,213
We're gonna get it.

2207
02:48:36,213 --> 02:48:36,973
We just don't know.

2208
02:48:36,973 --> 02:48:41,715
We're gonna keep it flat for now.
Not knowing what we didn't know this year

2209
02:48:41,715 --> 02:48:43,213
we were gonna get a cup.

2210
02:48:43,733 --> 02:48:47,533
So we have to think about that when the
time comes and what we're looking at.

2211
02:48:49,033 --> 02:48:50,833
But we're we're OK with our money.

2212
02:48:50,913 --> 02:48:54,977
From now until June,
we're just we have to use,

2213
02:48:54,977 --> 02:49:00,313
I said to Diane, who's our former B&
T director for years.

2214
02:49:00,313 --> 02:49:04,313
We've all said the phrase we have to use
our crystal ball from.

2215
02:49:04,823 --> 02:49:09,549
That's our inside joke in the in the
department that from July to December,

2216
02:49:09,549 --> 02:49:14,463
that's what we have to use because that's
our funding rolls in from the fence.

2217
02:49:15,543 --> 02:49:16,383
Thank you.

2218
02:49:16,383 --> 02:49:17,143
Does that make sense?

2219
02:49:20,983 --> 02:49:24,419
Oh,
so when you when I met a month or two ago

2220
02:49:24,419 --> 02:49:27,183
sounded like a $100,000 problem then.

2221
02:49:27,183 --> 02:49:30,983
Since then it went up and now it's up to
400 or 600.

2222
02:49:30,983 --> 02:49:34,262
Now it's well because I didn't have any
of that. Those numbers,

2223
02:49:34,262 --> 02:49:38,464
we didn't include any of those numbers in
the previous budget that I had included

2224
02:49:38,464 --> 02:49:38,823
before.

2225
02:49:38,983 --> 02:49:44,164
Now we're looking at, I mean,
if everything stays the same as we move

2226
02:49:44,164 --> 02:49:46,903
forward and no consolidation happens.

2227
02:49:47,633 --> 02:49:49,713
With the Cayuga, Oswego, Portland.

2228
02:49:50,423 --> 02:49:51,103
And whoever.

2229
02:49:52,593 --> 02:49:55,553
Then we're OK.
Status quo from now until June.

2230
02:49:55,633 --> 02:49:59,324
The thing we're missing from June from
January to June,

2231
02:49:59,324 --> 02:50:04,267
is training dollars for the constituents,
for the people of the Community,

2232
02:50:04,267 --> 02:50:07,233
training dollars for our youth
participants.

2233
02:50:08,913 --> 02:50:15,394
In the past, we've funded about,
we've spent about 100 and some $1000 in

2234
02:50:15,394 --> 02:50:16,193
training.

2235
02:50:17,073 --> 02:50:21,781
Arnolds thanks.
Keeping in mind that that 100 and some

2236
02:50:21,781 --> 02:50:26,833
$1000 is over the course of the program
here July to June.

2237
02:50:28,353 --> 02:50:32,154
So that 100,
000 wouldn't be from January to June,

2238
02:50:32,154 --> 02:50:34,913
it would be a portion of that, right?

2239
02:50:38,523 --> 02:50:43,897
Thanks and I'm hoping if I may continue,
just to give you a little background,

2240
02:50:43,897 --> 02:50:48,523
I sent you all an e-mail and let
yesterday kind of explaining this.

2241
02:50:48,883 --> 02:50:52,163
There's there will be a consolidation
that happens.

2242
02:50:52,323 --> 02:50:53,083
There will be.

2243
02:50:53,123 --> 02:50:56,209
It has to be in the states,
not allowing us to be a single county

2244
02:50:56,209 --> 02:50:56,443
area.

2245
02:50:56,723 --> 02:50:58,803
There will be a consolidation that
happens.

2246
02:50:58,843 --> 02:51:03,123
I don't know what that consolidation will
look like. What I can tell you is.

2247
02:51:03,873 --> 02:51:07,313
We will be better off financially when we
do consolidate.

2248
02:51:08,143 --> 02:51:10,183
With whomever we consolidated with.

2249
02:51:14,023 --> 02:51:15,023
That makes sense.

2250
02:51:18,633 --> 02:51:25,407
So for me I it's fairly hard for me to
make a decision because as soon as the

2251
02:51:25,407 --> 02:51:30,793
budget announced I was now this is the
budget that we've got.

2252
02:51:32,193 --> 02:51:37,377
And until I've got a determination that
this really is what is acceptable in

2253
02:51:37,377 --> 02:51:38,993
terms of the short term.

2254
02:51:42,193 --> 02:51:43,753
I'm I'm still afraid of decision.

2255
02:51:43,753 --> 02:51:44,033
I'm encouraged.

2256
02:51:44,473 --> 02:51:47,153
We have an estimate of the work as
quickly as possible.

2257
02:51:47,943 --> 02:51:49,103
This is Darrin.

2258
02:51:49,103 --> 02:51:51,754
With this program,
we need to verify the issues.

2259
02:51:51,754 --> 02:51:56,298
We need to make sure that everything that
was being presented actually is accurate,

2260
02:51:56,298 --> 02:51:58,463
and we're since been a lot of variation.

2261
02:51:58,503 --> 02:52:02,589
Maybe beyond our control,
but there seems to be a lot of variation

2262
02:52:02,589 --> 02:52:06,431
that have led to various estimates as to
what this program is.

2263
02:52:06,431 --> 02:52:11,310
I can't say that I can't, but you know,
great confidence in having said this is

2264
02:52:11,310 --> 02:52:12,103
worth a mask.

2265
02:52:13,113 --> 02:52:15,353
I wish I could say so for me.
I can't support it at the moment.

2266
02:52:16,543 --> 02:52:17,743
The budget consists.

2267
02:52:17,743 --> 02:52:22,291
The new budget was just revised budget
for workforce training facilities and

2268
02:52:22,291 --> 02:52:25,658
county welfare,
and I think we're going to there already

2269
02:52:25,658 --> 02:52:29,143
seems to be some discrepancies between
what was submitted.

2270
02:52:29,383 --> 02:52:34,815
So we got to know the figures on until
I'm prepared to make a decision on the

2271
02:52:34,815 --> 02:52:39,063
investment. Once I have it,
I'm pairing it. I guess we have.

2272
02:52:40,493 --> 02:52:43,493
I'll agree with you.

2273
02:52:46,303 --> 02:52:47,223
When when that's the only?

2274
02:52:49,383 --> 02:52:52,597
Discussion.
I will just remind us we got in our

2275
02:52:52,597 --> 02:52:56,013
packets,
you know last month you know quite a list

2276
02:52:56,013 --> 02:53:01,103
of local support for the important work
of workforce development and I did.

2277
02:53:01,423 --> 02:53:02,783
Budgets can be a little weird.

2278
02:53:04,543 --> 02:53:07,438
The public government has not helped in
any of this for this year and going

2279
02:53:07,438 --> 02:53:07,743
forward.

2280
02:53:09,173 --> 02:53:10,813
But all that aside.

2281
02:53:12,423 --> 02:53:16,772
I fundamentally believe that if we're
going to continue to maintain growth and

2282
02:53:16,772 --> 02:53:17,983
continue to do things.

2283
02:53:17,983 --> 02:53:21,948
Kevin, you've asked us on the,
on the floor of the legislature for all

2284
02:53:21,948 --> 02:53:26,081
of us to think about doing things
differently when it came to oxy tax and

2285
02:53:26,081 --> 02:53:30,716
moving things forward and having a better
vision. I think the the important place,

2286
02:53:30,716 --> 02:53:32,783
one of the important places where we.

2287
02:53:32,783 --> 02:53:35,983
Put forward our vision of the future is
in workforce development, making sure.

2288
02:53:37,463 --> 02:53:38,023
Our use.

2289
02:53:38,373 --> 02:53:42,084
And people who lose their jobs in this
county have an ability to find new

2290
02:53:42,084 --> 02:53:44,642
opportunities.
And with Micron to the north of US,

2291
02:53:44,642 --> 02:53:48,053
battery development to the South of us,
we're in a unique position.

2292
02:53:48,053 --> 02:53:51,533
But if we lose this ability to continue
to do that.

2293
02:53:53,063 --> 02:53:55,832
We're hobbling our future potential
growth. I mean,

2294
02:53:55,832 --> 02:53:59,667
why have Micron here if we're like we
don't have a workforce that we're

2295
02:53:59,667 --> 02:54:03,183
preparing for what that's gonna look like,
you know, we have TC3.

2296
02:54:03,183 --> 02:54:06,023
That's a part of the overall package we
have planning.

2297
02:54:06,063 --> 02:54:07,383
That's a part of the solution.

2298
02:54:07,853 --> 02:54:10,053
Workforce is another important part of it.

2299
02:54:10,173 --> 02:54:13,783
And while yes,
the numbers are always going to be in the

2300
02:54:13,783 --> 02:54:17,519
air because we don't know grant funding
for half the year,

2301
02:54:17,519 --> 02:54:20,939
I think it behooves us to put into our
budget a $200,

2302
02:54:20,939 --> 02:54:25,943
000 bridge that gives the administrator
the opportunity to look to bring that.

2303
02:54:25,943 --> 02:54:30,760
Down as Amy works with other counties to
consolidate and maybe by the end of this

2304
02:54:30,760 --> 02:54:33,933
we come out,
but we don't actually need to invest it.

2305
02:54:33,933 --> 02:54:39,116
But budget is a worst case scenario and I
would like us to put forward a worst case

2306
02:54:39,116 --> 02:54:42,880
scenario plan of $200,
000 to make sure that this doesn't go

2307
02:54:42,880 --> 02:54:44,423
away in Courtland County.

2308
02:54:45,863 --> 02:54:46,503
Leave it at that.

2309
02:54:48,423 --> 02:54:50,776
I can honestly if you can tell you if I
may,

2310
02:54:50,776 --> 02:54:53,863
but my friend there will be more money
coming from Micron.

2311
02:54:54,543 --> 02:54:55,183
I just don't.

2312
02:54:55,223 --> 02:54:59,542
I can't tell you when again like it's
that's that's been my life that's been

2313
02:54:59,542 --> 02:55:00,103
our lives.

2314
02:55:02,063 --> 02:55:04,463
For oh, you're forever right.

2315
02:55:04,463 --> 02:55:06,623
Like we, we don't know.

2316
02:55:06,783 --> 02:55:09,063
And it's it's very difficult, Heather.

2317
02:55:09,063 --> 02:55:12,023
I don't know how she does it,
but she has 27 budgets on her desk.

2318
02:55:12,533 --> 02:55:15,133
At any given time, at any given year.

2319
02:55:15,373 --> 02:55:20,107
And that's just how we function like.
That's just we have to move stuff we have

2320
02:55:20,107 --> 02:55:24,013
to. But as we see opportunity come to us,
that's what was saying.

2321
02:55:24,013 --> 02:55:29,841
We have a plenty of opportunity coming
and center state CEO is as much as

2322
02:55:29,841 --> 02:55:34,646
they're they're doing.
They keep giving us opportunity and I

2323
02:55:34,646 --> 02:55:36,773
will keep bringing that in.

2324
02:55:37,583 --> 02:55:41,511
Sumi Cortland has told me on numerous
occasions they're working on another

2325
02:55:41,511 --> 02:55:44,863
grant opportunity that they would like us
to partner with them.

2326
02:55:45,853 --> 02:55:50,072
Being that we were gonna be eventually
living together, we call it,

2327
02:55:50,072 --> 02:55:52,493
then that's great opportunities, right?

2328
02:55:55,143 --> 02:55:57,223
I wish I had a better answer for you.

2329
02:55:57,303 --> 02:55:59,263
I really do as Moe said.

2330
02:56:01,063 --> 02:56:06,138
I would like to think that this $200,
000 is literally a bridge in hopes that

2331
02:56:06,138 --> 02:56:10,823
the bridge doesn't get completely washed
out by the federal government.

2332
02:56:10,823 --> 02:56:12,823
I mean, that's the only thing I can say.

2333
02:56:13,093 --> 02:56:15,013
Then we're all gonna be in trouble, right?

2334
02:56:15,053 --> 02:56:18,196
Yeah.
Then we would reevaluate that when the

2335
02:56:18,196 --> 02:56:19,733
time comes, obviously.

2336
02:56:21,263 --> 02:56:25,279
So again, for me,
I I really need to know if my bigger as

2337
02:56:25,279 --> 02:56:25,903
we still.

2338
02:56:28,143 --> 02:56:33,903
Session our budget deficit as a moment is
860, six 927 dollars.

2339
02:56:33,943 --> 02:56:34,823
That's for power.

2340
02:56:35,303 --> 02:56:38,005
That's for power,
accounting for any investment in

2341
02:56:38,005 --> 02:56:41,026
worldwide training.
If we put an investment in workforce

2342
02:56:41,026 --> 02:56:41,503
training.

2343
02:56:41,933 --> 02:56:43,093
About 200,000.

2344
02:56:43,093 --> 02:56:47,293
That brings us over $1,000,000,
a deficit that we have growing.

2345
02:56:48,743 --> 02:56:52,517
Of closing that gap at the moment,
there are new proposals on the table to

2346
02:56:52,517 --> 02:56:53,423
close that gap in.

2347
02:56:55,503 --> 02:57:00,275
OK, so so for me,
I really need to know what the truth is

2348
02:57:00,275 --> 02:57:05,623
that we're being asked to invest in,
in terms of having funding.

2349
02:57:05,703 --> 02:57:10,703
I don't believe I know that at the moment
and that's the one I'm asking.

2350
02:57:11,493 --> 02:57:15,413
Simply on the specific,
I just couldn't do it. June Friday, right?

2351
02:57:15,413 --> 02:57:17,733
Yeah. I I I don't agree with this.

2352
02:57:19,703 --> 02:57:21,583
So the the 13 percent.

2353
02:57:23,943 --> 02:57:27,983
That we're at right now and now we're at
200,000 below that.

2354
02:57:29,823 --> 02:57:31,463
200,000 more below that.

2355
02:57:31,663 --> 02:57:32,663
How long can we be there?

2356
02:57:35,503 --> 02:57:35,543
I.

2357
02:57:35,543 --> 02:57:38,423
I don't know the policy language exactly
though.

2358
02:57:38,423 --> 02:57:41,183
I'm just curious if this is a policy
thing.

2359
02:57:41,813 --> 02:57:43,693
Thank Lord we go.

2360
02:57:45,213 --> 02:57:49,653
It's a policy thing,
and it's not the policy state.

2361
02:57:51,183 --> 02:57:53,225
No,
I mean the policy just states that if it

2362
02:57:53,225 --> 02:57:55,858
dipped below it,
that we work in the next budget cycle to

2363
02:57:55,858 --> 02:57:56,903
try and get it back up.

2364
02:57:56,943 --> 02:57:59,343
Yeah, it's it's not.

2365
02:58:00,103 --> 02:58:01,623
You know, it's not a set in stone.

2366
02:58:01,623 --> 02:58:05,822
It has to be a 13%,
but the policy does say that we will work

2367
02:58:05,822 --> 02:58:07,583
to get it back up if it's.

2368
02:58:09,943 --> 02:58:11,223
Doesn't also reach a rating provider.

2369
02:58:11,613 --> 02:58:15,573
Does it factors into your visual stress
towards yeah, yes it does.

2370
02:58:15,573 --> 02:58:18,253
I don't know what not,
but 13% it does not.

2371
02:58:18,333 --> 02:58:21,013
But you're you're you're fund balance.

2372
02:58:21,013 --> 02:58:23,613
Yes, that does. And that is as a whole.

2373
02:58:23,613 --> 02:58:25,573
So there's a lot of other things in there.

2374
02:58:25,613 --> 02:58:27,133
The 13% doesn't.

2375
02:58:27,253 --> 02:58:28,893
I mean, that's just our policy.

2376
02:58:28,893 --> 02:58:34,068
It doesn't mean anything to anybody else
except for for an accountant,

2377
02:58:34,068 --> 02:58:38,733
and it's based on an actual numbers which
the budget is not so.

2378
02:58:39,503 --> 02:58:40,943
It could go up. You don't know.

2379
02:58:41,293 --> 02:58:44,221
I mean,
you know in 27 depending what happens if

2380
02:58:44,221 --> 02:58:46,969
we,
we miraculously end up with more revenue,

2381
02:58:46,969 --> 02:58:51,809
we might not end up being below it in the
end. In the end, I'm sorry about that.

2382
02:58:51,809 --> 02:58:55,873
But I just think that that's government
for us, right? It's not an.

2383
02:58:55,863 --> 02:58:56,293
Actual number.

2384
02:58:57,983 --> 02:59:00,820
To her point,
I just wanted to say that that's what I'm

2385
02:59:00,820 --> 02:59:02,543
dealing with on her channel basis.

2386
02:59:02,543 --> 02:59:04,303
Like it's not an actual number.

2387
02:59:04,303 --> 02:59:07,103
I mean, it's not saying their guidelines,
they're not.

2388
02:59:13,853 --> 02:59:19,248
Oh, I mean in my discussion so,
so I am unwilling to support this at this

2389
02:59:19,248 --> 02:59:19,613
time.

2390
02:59:19,853 --> 02:59:26,453
Have an opportunity to get these figures
to figure out what I'm sure is.

2391
02:59:27,823 --> 02:59:28,463
That's fair enough.

2392
02:59:34,093 --> 02:59:34,693
We'll say aye.

2393
02:59:36,503 --> 02:59:41,783
All right then. Sure.

2394
02:59:43,783 --> 02:59:43,863
OK.

2395
02:59:43,983 --> 02:59:45,663
So it's going to be 3.

2396
02:59:48,343 --> 02:59:52,862
We're going to now use it now because
it's now it's a majority of Members

2397
02:59:52,862 --> 02:59:55,183
passed that I guess I would tie it to.

2398
02:59:58,383 --> 03:00:01,183
Something that doesn't mean that there's
been the same.

2399
03:00:02,663 --> 03:00:10,143
Let me know if you also have readers and
comments and questions.

2400
03:00:10,823 --> 03:00:15,423
That's what you're there's no action
taken, right?

2401
03:00:15,823 --> 03:00:18,063
Still, it's still 3.

2402
03:00:18,503 --> 03:00:22,860
Kevin makes a decision at the same time
Kevin have an opportunity to bring the

2403
03:00:22,860 --> 03:00:25,343
time if he wants to.
If he chooses to do so.

2404
03:00:26,863 --> 03:00:27,543
All right.

2405
03:00:33,453 --> 03:00:35,933
I mean, I support the Michael Bloom.

2406
03:00:37,503 --> 03:00:43,049
I wanna stress that the record no
decision has been made just because it's

2407
03:00:43,049 --> 03:00:43,863
remarkable.

2408
03:00:45,863 --> 03:00:46,063
Right.

2409
03:00:48,143 --> 03:00:48,823
Any other messages?

2410
03:00:48,823 --> 03:00:54,870
As I said, we're still 860, six, $947,
000 short. So that being said,

2411
03:00:54,870 --> 03:01:02,040
says budget Commission one a week or two
and it's either gonna be 90% tax increase

2412
03:01:02,040 --> 03:01:03,423
or general fund.

2413
03:01:03,573 --> 03:01:06,213
Goes down by almost $1,000,000.

2414
03:01:06,213 --> 03:01:08,253
I mean that's that's that's gonna have to.

2415
03:01:10,063 --> 03:01:11,303
Solution. I'll be in office solution.

2416
03:01:12,943 --> 03:01:14,823
I legally have to thank you about budget,
right?

2417
03:01:17,823 --> 03:01:18,103
Yeah.

2418
03:01:20,543 --> 03:01:22,783
OK. Any other topics for this?

2419
03:01:25,823 --> 03:01:26,903
I apologize.