[0:00] Thanks for [0:05] this evening proposal related to [0:08] parking, standing and stopping and also [0:10] our public comment. Uh period. Welcome. [0:14] If anybody would like to uh speak if [0:16] you'd be good enough to sign in here, [0:22] » thank you. Anybody [0:26] want to speak at either? [0:29] Oh, we got Mr. Chu. Okay. [0:48] 601 we'll do the public hearing. [0:51] number one total local [0:52] law amending article 11 of the city code [0:55] for the department standing and stop. [0:58] Mr. Chu you're signed for the public [1:01] hearing. [1:09] » I just had two question. Um, one is why [1:12] does the council have to first give [1:13] itself permission to put in parking [1:15] meters before it decides? Why couldn't [1:18] you just if you're going to put them in, [1:19] just put them in? And the second [1:22] question is, why do we need to keep our [1:26] 3:00 a.m. to 6 a.m. prohibition against [1:30] public streets? For, for example, I want [1:33] to car my driveway now, and where am I [1:37] going to put my car? [1:40] So, thank you for questions. [1:43] >> I could probably answer questions. [1:45] >> We got a public hearing. [1:49] » Anybody else here uh for public hearing [1:51] number one, proposed local law amending [1:53] article 11 of the city code relating to [1:55] parking, standing, and stopping. [1:58] Last call. Proposed hearing number one, [2:00] proposed local law amending article 11 [2:03] of the city code relating to parking, [2:05] standing, and stopping. [2:07] Hearing none, we'll close the public [2:08] hearing [2:10] and uh we could call to order, please. [2:16] » Council member to [2:17] >> present. Council member Sllan [2:19] >> here. [2:20] >> Council member Panel [2:21] >> here. [2:21] >> Member Lane [2:22] >> here. [2:23] >> Member Con here. [2:24] >> Council member Carpenter [2:25] >> here. [2:26] >> Member Beckwith present. [2:27] >> Council member Michaels [2:28] >> here. All right. Thursday. [2:35] I pledge to the flag of the United [2:38] States of America and to the republic [2:41] for it stands nationy [2:47] and justice for all [2:51] of them off their birthdays. [2:56] » All right. Does anybody have anything [2:58] for public comments? [3:03] Okay, hearing none. Um, [3:08] we'll go right to the uh fourth report. [3:18] » All right. Thank you. Followed up with a [3:20] constituent, the constituent who had a [3:22] question about the change with the [3:25] property tax collection and the impact [3:28] potentially on school taxes and their [3:30] collection. Um had a call actually today [3:34] from a resident concerned. I'll follow [3:36] up with DPW [3:38] about the intersection of Yong and [3:39] Louder and cars coming through there [3:42] potentially not stopping at uh the [3:45] intersection [3:46] and [3:47] >> what intersection I'm sorry. [3:49] >> Yong and Louder [3:52] Schools up the street from there on. [3:54] Young [3:59] » that's it for today. Okay. [4:01] >> Any more tubers? [4:03] >> Um, I wound up helping people on Otter [4:07] Creek because a lady called me. Uh, she [4:11] was given she was mistaken I'm sorry. I [4:14] was mistakenly identified as her alder [4:17] person instead of Mary Cla. So, I just [4:19] fielded it and I um let Mary Clair know [4:23] what was going on. People on that street [4:28] on Otter Creek were concerned about the [4:31] university having property and trees [4:34] that looked like they were going to come [4:36] down. So I called a guy named Dan at [4:41] building grounds in at Courtland. He was [4:45] wonderful. He brought a couple people [4:47] out to check it out. They decided to [4:51] come back with a horiculturist [4:53] and tree people, professional tree [4:56] people, and they determined which ones [4:58] were on whose property, what needed to [5:00] be taken down, so everybody's happy. And [5:03] he in turn asked me if I could talk to [5:06] the mayor about cleaning up trees that [5:09] are in the waterworks along the fields [5:13] um and behind [5:15] um the [5:18] I'll call the University Police. [5:20] >> Well, the police, but my family calls it [5:23] the Temple of Fitness. They're um [5:27] >> student life center. Thank you. Yeah. [5:29] >> Temple of [5:30] >> the Temple of Fitness. [5:32] >> And the mayor said on it and it'll [5:35] happen in the fall, but not before [5:37] students come back. So, that was all [5:40] good. And I texted the chief of police [5:44] about five cars that I saw parked the [5:48] wrong way on Main Street. If I have to [5:50] back in, you guys have to back in. [5:53] Somebody almost hit my husband who had [5:56] backed in and was pulling out and they [5:58] had pulled in fronts and swung out. So, [6:02] this is a this is a danger. And that's [6:05] it from the second word. Okay. All good. [6:09] Third word. [6:12] Um, you'll [clears throat] jump on this [6:14] one. Uh, attended Captain uh [6:18] Freriedman's retirement celebration as [6:20] did [6:20] >> Captain. [6:21] >> Oh, sorry. Chief. [6:22] >> Yes. [6:23] >> Yeah, he got the [6:25] >> Well, we got to get rid of him. [6:26] >> No, Chief Freeman's retirement [6:30] celebration as as did Katie. And And it [6:34] was wonderful. It was everything it [6:36] should be. Um, they've started [6:39] construction on the new dorm at the [6:44] college. [6:46] It's going to be interesting. [6:49] Um, and that's it from the board. [6:54] >> I have a board meeting on Monday, July [6:57] 25th. Deputy Fire Chief Reynolds was [6:59] kind enough to come and answer some [7:00] questions from constituents as was Rich [7:04] Cunningham of Toma who presented on some [7:06] microenterprise grants and housing uh [7:09] rehabilitation programs as well. Uh [7:12] there was one question I just want to [7:14] get clarification on from the board [7:15] meeting. Bikes on Main Street, are they [7:18] allowed in the street? [7:20] Is it the same on Central? Okay, that [7:22] was my understanding. So, I will clear [7:24] that up with some folks. Um, [7:28] and [7:29] two crosswalk issues that I've not had a [7:31] chance to reach out to DBW on the [7:34] crosswalk out front of the rock crossing [7:36] to the old Portland. [7:38] That button is malfunctioning again. Um, [7:42] and there's a crosswalk uh on the 1890 [7:47] house side of uh Tomkins crossing to [7:49] Prospect that also seems to be out. I [7:52] noticed that one earlier today. So, I [7:54] just want to mention those two. [7:56] >> Gets the prospect. [7:57] >> Pros. Uh, yes. Correct. And that does it [8:00] for the fiscal. [8:04] » Um, I know I was at the downtown music [8:07] series last week and Troy was there on [8:10] Friday. One of my constituents came up [8:11] to me issuing the water problem on [8:13] Hickory Park Road. Very upset again. Um, [8:16] that center lane. We've been taking this [8:18] thing down the road forever. And uh I [8:20] thought there was some money in the [8:22] springtime to get that done, but we have [8:23] to really think about getting that done [8:26] up down in that area because there's no [8:27] drainage down that area. I don't know if [8:29] we're going to put down the the pond [8:31] down there or [clears throat] [8:36] complaints. [8:37] >> Want to congratulate the city police for [8:39] uh making the arrest on the deal mural [8:42] down there. [8:44] >> Good police work done. [8:46] >> Yes. Yep. It's a sad situation where [8:48] something can't something as beautiful [8:50] as that is destroy. So [8:53] >> 14 14 acts of [8:56] >> one verse of that one. Yeah. Okay. [8:58] >> Good work. [8:59] >> Yeah. [9:04] » Just ready on Brian. I did make it to [9:07] three out of the four made music I made. [9:09] I guess Sparky and the crew. I don't [9:11] know. Can't hear them all. So, um, they [9:14] did a great job and they had nice [9:16] weather for all of them and, uh, he said [9:19] next year's hopefully be better. It's [9:21] been what, three or four years since we [9:22] had it really, [9:23] >> right? Yeah. [9:25] >> Uh, remind you again next meeting about [9:27] pork fashes coming up. It's a huge thing [9:29] I think in Brian's word. [9:33] » And then, uh, I believe they're supposed [9:35] to be ticketing people now going the [9:36] wrong way back back in the wrong way on [9:39] Maine now, right? I just want to bring [9:40] that up. So, they keep doing it. they're [9:42] going to get ahead yet. But and uh other [9:45] than that, I think that's all I had. [9:47] Thank you, [9:48] >> Michael. [9:49] >> Uh just a few things. Uh also attended [9:52] the fire chief's uh walk out uh last [9:55] Friday. Very very moving [9:59] for [10:03] have uh three code related issues. Uh [10:06] one's already been resolved. It's my [10:08] understanding. letter is going out to uh the second individual and third [10:14] individuals in Troy's ward. So I'll [10:18] catch up with Troy before I leave [10:19] tonight. See how he'd like to handle [10:21] that and uh that's all I have my report. [10:25] Thank you. [10:26] >> All right. Thank you. [10:28] Um [clears throat] [10:30] so I just address Mr. Chu's questions [10:33] real quick. Um so the um parking [10:37] committee went reviewed everything [10:38] reviewed all the items to do for the [10:40] parking and uh we change those laws we [10:43] needed to or change the fees and do [10:45] those fines we need to change how we [10:47] orchestrated our if we do fees would [10:50] have to be done through that law first. [10:52] So, cargo or the horse either way, but [10:55] we've been talking openly about both. [10:56] So, they know that that's the intent of [10:59] doing that. And as far as the 3:00 a.m. [11:01] to 6:00 p.m., I mean, with the trash [11:03] pickups, the snow falling, that's the [11:05] purpose of not allowing skew parking, [11:07] but you can always there's a website [11:10] place to get on the police website uh [11:14] police on our website and police to log [11:18] in your car. So, if you do have to pave [11:19] your seal your driveway, do it. And [11:21] certainly they use common sense. If they [11:23] see a driveway sealed there and a car is [11:25] outside, they're not going to get a [11:26] ticket anyways. And if they do, it's [11:28] certainly appealable. [11:30] >> Still call [11:32] it online. So online that site. [11:39] No, let us know. [11:41] >> Uh so a lot of good things happened. U [11:43] you know, again, I want to give Deputy [11:44] Chief Brown some kudos on a couple [11:46] things. one, you know, the walk out [11:48] ceremony, the grand staff and [11:50] organization to that was impeccable. It [11:52] was uh really deserving. I don't I don't [11:55] know that you could say it was any more [11:57] perfect than that, [11:58] >> except for it was very hot for everybody [12:00] that wasn't in the shade where we were. [12:03] >> I apologize. I think we had three people [12:05] >> kind of go down to that some very hot [12:08] sweat, right, Chief? Yes. [12:09] >> So, uh but it was very good. I [12:11] appreciate your efforts and putting that [12:12] together as well as the first responders [12:14] can't certainly if it wasn't for your [12:17] push it wouldn't happen this year. So by doing that in a very economical way [12:22] made it work for people in the How many [12:25] children did we hit? [12:26] >> Just over 250 [12:27] >> and so and it was pretty impressive. And [12:29] if you listen to the kids talk or TLC [12:32] was there and Marathon ambulance was [12:34] there as well as our fleece fire uh and [12:37] the communications and the dialogues. I [12:39] heard one [12:41] kid talk about the drone operator which [12:44] was our lieutenant. I was very pleased [12:45] to be able to have a conversation and [12:47] you know parents came up to me and said [12:49] that they have always told their kids [12:50] not to talk to police officers because [12:52] that's what they were told. So I think [12:53] it broke at least that once that stigma [12:56] so there is importance to it that we [12:58] don't always get. So uh but those were [13:00] just conversations I happened to be [13:01] near. Uh so that was great. Um, you [13:04] know, we had some great celebrations. [13:05] The ADA celebration, Arts on Maine, uh, [13:08] were were all good events. Arts on, I [13:12] guess they call it now. All great great [13:14] events to have. Certainly the, uh, class [13:16] reunion was held for the first time as a group. That was highly successful. [13:20] No incidents. Same with the concert [13:21] series. They've been highly attended, [13:23] doing well. You know, last Friday we had [13:25] the concert series. We had a band at the [13:28] Brew and somebody playing at CBC. So [13:30] within a block of each other, we have [13:32] three different groups playing and [13:33] certainly was bumping downtown for sure. [13:35] So they're wearing out the crosswalk but [13:37] it's mainly um and so that's great and [13:40] certainly good things coming ahead. [13:41] Porchfest is great. You know the summer [13:43] concert series we have Molly and the [13:46] ring walls and of course the with the [13:48] porch fest after that uh as well and [13:51] that's on the 13th. But then the uh this [13:54] uh Thursday's community beach party [13:55] which starts at uh 5 and goes to 7:00 [13:59] and that's just all the different u um [14:03] vendors that are there that different [14:04] people different aspects of the [14:06] community that can help and then tailor [14:08] M's playing at 7 to 9:00 and then moving [14:10] under the stars of legal at 6 8 to 10 on [14:12] the beach. So it's going to be a a fun [14:15] uh exciting month that's the first time [14:17] out uh which is great. Uh currently [14:20] working projects uh wastewater uh start [14:24] meeting with the contractors to do that [14:25] expansion project that starts Thursday. [14:27] We're going to go with that Thursday [14:28] morning. The road work started yesterday [14:30] and is continuing today. Uh um we're [14:34] working on the Randle Park bids and the [14:36] gaming park bids went out for the [14:38] engineers. They came in still working on [14:40] the demo demo for the roundhouse mill. [14:42] Trying to get some clarification with [14:43] the state on that. And um you know I [14:46] want to just have a reminder you talk [14:47] about back in parking. We've had a [14:49] couple incidents where one person was [14:51] speeding really fast at down Main [14:53] Street, uh, excessive speed, and were [14:55] able to catch them as well. But, uh, we [14:57] had another one where somebody was [14:58] speeding past and I think that's being [15:00] investigated. They went went to go [15:02] around them and it hit another car and [15:05] that was backing and drove in, hit him [15:06] into the next car. it it's happening and [15:09] uh people just need to slow down and not [15:12] think that they can just navigate those areas in uh is not not safe for [15:18] sure. Um I think [15:21] >> can you say something about kids [15:24] >> as far as it being just agreed? [15:30] >> Yes. So, um, [15:32] >> yeah, again, I think, uh, there's a [15:34] press release in everybody's packet that [15:36] was issued today by the code office. OD [15:38] office been doing a phenomenal job. [15:40] We're up to 139 of the red tags we've [15:43] taken off, um, and uh, on buildings and some we had to tear down, which this [15:48] was one of those cases, but this was a [15:50] property that was neglected for a long [15:51] time. I think Chief Liz Nichols was here [15:54] when they had all the excessive cats in [15:56] that property. wheels we refer [15:59] >> 250 cast. [16:02] So since then it's been kind of getting [16:04] in rough disrepair. So fortunately that [16:06] historic building we had to come down [16:07] and now the back property but we did [16:10] were able to get a court hearing which [16:12] is the largest fine and the best fine. [16:14] So thanks to uh Randall Lewis's work and [16:17] the code office work together to uh [16:20] drive towards making these things make [16:22] holding people accountable for their [16:23] properties as well has shown the success [16:26] and uh you know I think the port the [16:28] part about doing this release is making [16:30] people recognize that uh you know we're [16:33] going to try to clean things up and our [16:34] challenge keeps things moving forward [16:36] and that's that's what [16:37] >> yeah I guess for Tuesday that will be [16:41] through [16:43] >> that's correct. Right. Pete mentioned [16:44] park meters. So yeah, [16:46] >> once it gets approved, if we approve it, [16:48] there'll be it's all done on your ad. [16:50] There's not going to be new meters put [16:51] up this. [16:54] >> There will be striping of the streets [16:56] either. [16:58] >> And there's going to be signage and all [17:00] that. [17:00] >> Yeah. [17:02] >> I just wanted to comment that because [17:04] you did mention park. We're not [17:07] parking in. [17:10] >> All right. With that we move on to did I [17:13] answer your question? I think [17:17] >> all right. Um so we'll move on to [17:18] acceptance of the minutes that motion to [17:21] accept the minutes. [17:23] Okay. [17:27] » Any questions? [17:30] >> No comments about board reports in the [17:32] minutes. [17:35] » But no there's not. My point was to that [17:38] was there there was no actionable items [17:40] in in that in that documentation and a [17:42] lot of dis disarray and confusion. So it [17:46] best to just delete it without that [17:51] there's something specific that was [17:53] actual put it in there but all right [17:55] it's all [17:59] » okay that anybody else please [18:03] all those in favor [18:04] >> I post carried [18:09] uh resolutions agenda item number one [18:11] adopt local law number two 2026 [18:14] regarding Amending article 11 the code [18:17] city of Portland related to burn [18:20] >> I'll move it [18:24] any questions discussion [18:28] please [18:33] council member to [18:34] >> I council member Silus [18:36] >> hi [18:36] >> council member panel [18:37] >> council member lane [18:38] >> hi [18:39] >> council member [18:40] >> hi [18:40] >> council member carpenter hi [18:42] >> council member beckwith [18:43] >> hi [18:43] >> council member [18:45] I [18:46] >> agenda item number two. Adopt schedule [18:48] of fees, fines, and penalties. [18:54] » Resolved that the city of Portland [18:56] schedule, excuse me, schedule of fees, [18:58] fines, and penalties. the next year too. [19:01] Uh B and the same hereby is adopted and [19:04] implemented by this common council [19:06] effective August 5th, 2026 [19:09] be further resolved with any fee fund or [19:11] penalty being adjusted by said schedule [19:14] which was previously paid and covering a [19:16] period extending beyond August 5th, [19:18] 202.6 [19:20] shall not create an additional fee owing [19:23] here. and be further resolved that to [19:26] promote transparency and ensure [19:27] convenient public access, the city clerk [19:30] shall post that schedule on the homepage [19:32] of the city website under the prominent [19:35] heading fees and payments. [19:38] And I've got the uh URL address listed [19:40] there in the resolution as well as other [19:43] key department pages where it can be [19:45] readily found by the public and make [19:48] such schedule available in hard copy [19:50] format in all city offices. [19:54] I hear a motion. [19:55] Mr. B Michaels any questions? [19:59] >> When we do do the signage up [20:02] if we approve it should be that taken by [20:08] that call. [20:12] >> Uh no um because those barcodes [20:14] sometimes people put stickers over them [20:16] and ch them right that [20:18] >> I just I got people start sending money [20:21] to the wrong place. Well, we don't want [20:23] that to happen. [20:24] >> They text their code. [20:27] >> We'll just have to get it out there. [20:28] People aren't figuring it out. Anybody [20:30] else on the resolution? [20:31] >> I was under the impression after the [20:32] last code committee meeting, we were [20:34] going to get together one more time and [20:35] discuss would be revisions in front of [20:38] us. [20:40] >> I believe we did. That was I don't know. [20:45] But that was I think it was all signed same [20:49] as [20:52] >> I know Mr. Lewis said the document [20:54] present. So [21:00] » I talked to Roy about his concerns and [21:03] then said [21:05] >> were you in the impression we're going [21:06] to meet again or was I mistaken? I [21:08] missed a couple of those meetings, so I [21:11] could have very well missed the very [21:12] last. [21:14] I thought I thought we were also [21:18] Did you have [21:19] >> Yeah. [21:20] I thought [21:23] concerns or questions just [21:29] question. So page four through about [21:33] seven or eight uh change to the rental [21:37] certificate of compliance. Um I'm under [21:40] the impact this is what was just [21:41] instituted last year. Correct. [21:44] It was a change to the rental [21:48] correct [21:50] um the concern was raised that the [21:54] law as it was didn't uniformly treat all [21:58] landlords. [21:59] um this landlords who had and I'll use [22:04] the extreme example of the building on [22:07] Tomkins which is sorority that houses 65 [22:10] young ladies um they were paying one [22:14] rate and because they were big they [22:16] received a greater discount than would [22:19] somebody who had a 12 unit apartment [22:22] building that would house the same 65 [22:25] people. So, this basically treats the [22:27] people that are have a big sorority [22:30] house and the people that have [22:32] individual [22:33] one or two or four family units, [22:35] whatever they are, um the same way. So, [22:38] it it pulls those two things in line. [22:41] The other two changes that the committee [22:44] um came up with was um [22:49] if we do the it's one change, but [22:51] there's two parts to it. If we do the [22:53] inspection the first time around and if [22:55] for the three-year period the landlord [22:58] has no work orders put against their [23:01] property, meaning we don't have to go in [23:02] and mow the yard, we don't have to go in [23:04] and pick up garbage or anything like [23:05] that or clear the sidewalks. And if they [23:08] have no appearances that get sent to [23:10] court, so it doesn't mean they don't [23:12] have a violation in their inspection [23:14] because the violation could be [23:15] something, you know, pretty minor. But [23:17] if they get a notice of violation and [23:19] they cure it before it would have to go [23:21] to court, they would be allowed to renew [23:23] the next time around for 50%. of of the [23:26] renewal rate. So that's a big we they [23:29] really like the idea of providing an [23:30] incentive to landlords to keep the [23:32] properties up and stay in compliance. So [23:35] um those are really the two major [23:37] changes when it came to that component. [23:38] There's a few tweaks to some of the [23:40] other parts of the the vine. They're all [23:42] in red, but they're all pretty minor. [23:44] Um, okay. If you have any questions, I [23:47] can go over them. [23:48] >> Can you explain what what happens if [23:50] someone a landlord does have a lot of [23:53] violations, either code violations or or [23:56] quarters for this city, [23:59] >> their rental certificate of compliance [24:02] would be revoked. um at which point they [24:05] would have to appear in front of the [24:06] city's appeals panel to attempt to um [24:11] for lack of a better better word I'll [24:13] call it a plan of corrective action. Um [24:15] they would have to show how are we going [24:17] to become a better compliance property. [24:19] Um if it's a single family home and it's [24:22] has eight people living in it and that's [24:24] not workable for whatever reason, maybe [24:26] they need to reduce the occupancy. um [24:28] maybe they just got a really bad um [24:31] group of tenants and they're evicting [24:34] all of them and they want to try again [24:35] and they promise us we're going to [24:37] screen better the next time around. Um [24:39] so I mean there there's a lot of [24:40] different options that could come into [24:42] play. Um if they lose their rental [24:45] certificate, then it also loses the the [24:48] ability for the tenants to live there. [24:50] So they would also get cited with living [24:52] in a property without a rental [24:53] certificate. So it's kind of a two-way [24:55] street. And the number of people, the [24:59] number of occupants in a building is [25:02] based on New York state law. [25:04] >> New York State fire. Um, in order for a [25:08] prop to be occupied, a bed has to be a [25:10] certain number of square feet. I believe [25:12] it's 70 [25:16] » 7 by 10. [25:19] >> It has to have a window. There has to be [25:21] an area. [25:23] >> And then if it's for two people, it's a [25:24] bigger square footage. three a bigger [25:26] square footage, four a bigger square [25:27] footage once you get to a certain number [25:29] of occupants. Then common areas also are [25:33] required to be of certain sizes. Um so [25:36] there's a whole matrix that the code [25:38] department goes through when they [25:39] determine what the appropriate um number [25:42] of occupants is. You can't you can't go [25:45] through one bedroom to get to the next [25:47] bedroom. So there has to be a separate [25:48] entrance from that bedroom. So the whole [25:50] list of things that they verify are [25:52] there. Can anybody be grandfathered in? [25:56] >> There's no grandfathering for that [25:58] because this is New York State Fire [26:00] Code. So, it's a health and safety code. [26:01] It's not a zoning code where it's a [26:03] prior non-conforming use. There is a [26:06] limited ability for a party to seek a [26:10] waiver from the New York State Fire. Um, [26:13] if the if the the bedroom is off by [26:17] three or five square ft or something [26:18] like that, my understanding is the state [26:20] will quite readily grant those waiverss. [26:23] If it's off by 10 or 15 square feet, [26:25] you're not going, [26:29] >> but we have no control over that. That's [26:30] up state fire whether or not they grant [26:32] a waiver. Um, I believe we may make a [26:35] recommendation on it when it goes in, [26:36] but it's really their call at the end of [26:38] the day. [26:40] >> Okay. [26:41] >> Yes. [26:43] So the part that's not changed um it [26:46] talks about the number of occupants for [26:48] four unit or less. Is it the number of [26:52] occupants that are actually there or the [26:54] number that it could possibly house [26:56] based upon state fire code or how how is [27:00] the number of occupants determined? It [27:02] it's determined on two things. one, they [27:05] fill out an application listing a number [27:07] of occupants and then when it's [27:08] inspected, it be determined whether or [27:10] not that number of occupants is um [27:15] correct. So, if you had a house with [27:18] four bedrooms in it, all of those [27:19] bedrooms may be appropriate size to put [27:22] two people in them. But if I'm a [27:24] landlord and I know I'm running to [27:27] students and they each want their own [27:28] bedroom, they don't want to share a [27:29] bedroom, I'm probably going to only ask [27:31] for four because it's cheaper than [27:32] asking for eight. So, yes, the size of [27:35] the rooms does determine the maximum [27:37] occupancy, but the landlord certainly [27:39] could ask for less, and I'm sure we do [27:42] have some landlords that do because the [27:43] preference seems to be one student per [27:46] room at this point. [27:50] Could you go over how the changes to the [27:53] rental certificate compliance, this [27:56] final version compares to the draft? We [27:58] made several revisions along the way and [28:01] uh my impression was we'd be getting a [28:03] side by side before we moved to the [28:05] vote. So I apologize if it's off on [28:06] that, but could you go through those [28:08] changes and how they compare to this [28:10] final draft? [28:11] >> Sure. [28:18] So for single unit properties, there was [28:22] no change the fee structure at all. um [28:25] for multi-unit properties, it treated [28:28] every unit as a $300 unit. So if you [28:32] take a 10unit property, um [28:37] it's [28:40] $1,900. In the past, that would have [28:43] been $3,000. [28:45] Um so if it the 19 unit compares to on [28:48] the other side to what it would be, so [28:51] that's really 37 to 40 occupants. Um [28:55] because most multi-units, [28:58] two, three bedrooms is the max. You're [28:59] not going to find a 10 unit where there [29:01] are five bedrooms. So um to kind of keep [29:04] that fair, it basically tracks the [29:08] number of occupants based on the number [29:10] of units. It's not an exact science, but [29:13] it it comes much closer into the [29:15] ballpark, and that's one of the things [29:16] the committee was concerned about. um [29:20] any litigation concerning um rental [29:23] things like this, the watch word for the [29:25] course is uniformity. Um so that was the [29:28] one thing that we wanted to make sure [29:29] that we were hitting was uniformity and [29:32] we feel this moves much closer to [29:33] uniformity. It's not exact. It never [29:36] will be, but it's it's pretty darn [29:38] close. Um [29:41] how do these the original revenue [29:44] projections, how does that compare to [29:46] the draft with the changes? [29:49] the original revenue projections were [29:52] undoubtedly overstated. Um [29:56] where it's going to come out. [29:59] It's really difficult to say um because [30:02] it's a three-year renewal process. Um [30:06] we've had some properties that we did [30:09] send letters out to that for the first [30:12] time in years and years and years we're [30:15] getting an application on. So, that's [30:18] obviously going to be an increase. Um, [30:20] other properties, [30:22] um, [30:24] you know, we we are working with the [30:26] landlords to get the inspections and [30:28] things done. Where it's actually going [30:31] to come out. Roy could probably tell you [30:32] better than I can. I don't follow that [30:34] department's budgetary numbers. Um, [30:39] I think he was expecting to come out [30:41] [clears throat] [30:42] >> right about 50 to 60% of that what was [30:45] budgeted. Yeah. Originally, I think he [30:47] was thinking 50 or a little less. I [30:49] think now it's probably 50 to 60. [30:50] Something's going to come out a little [30:51] better than expected, but not where it [30:54] was budgeted. [30:54] >> And that's as percentage of the [30:56] original. Correct. Correct. [30:57] >> And when this process went through, the [30:59] Chief Reedman requested that 50% of what [31:02] was in there as realistic numbered. [31:05] >> The biggest key, Tom, is you got you're [31:08] going to have to follow is the ones that [31:10] in the past that don't obey what rights [31:14] we're going to have to go after them. I [31:15] know we got ours all sent in or they're [31:17] due to be sent in. They're all filled [31:18] out, but [31:21] in the past people didn't do it. I don't [31:23] think we had any legal thing to go after [31:25] them for not doing it. Well, two two [31:28] things that come into play there. Um the [31:31] college has worked with us that in order [31:34] to [31:36] use your student aid for rental, it [31:38] needs to be a city approved property. [31:40] So, that's one of the things. So, if [31:42] somebody doesn't get their certificates [31:43] in, we will notify the college that that [31:45] property is out of compliance and then [31:47] they can't use their student aid to pay [31:49] their rent. Um, which does then put a [31:52] hardship on the landlord unfortunately [31:53] because they'll have to evict that [31:54] student. But, um, [31:56] >> but I'm talking about some of our [31:58] properties that are college, [31:59] >> right? College housing, it's another [32:01] issue. Um, I mean, a lot of the the [32:04] properties also receive property from [32:06] section of money through section 8. we [32:08] can contact section 8, let them know the [32:10] property is non-compliant. I can't [32:12] guarantee you section 8 will do anything [32:13] with that, but we can contact them and [32:15] let them know. Um, you know, so I mean [32:18] there there are avenues that are [32:19] available to us and they will be cited [32:21] with a notice of violation and [32:22] eventually an appearance ticket and [32:23] they'll be taken to court and any fine [32:26] that is levied by the court on these [32:29] will be relevied against the property if [32:31] the owner doesn't pay it. So eventually [32:33] the property would end up being taken [32:34] for back taxes. But I think you have the [32:37] right to do something or sexual section [32:39] 8 is being a health and safety. I think [32:41] the city should be able to step in. And [32:43] if it's a health and safety issue, we if [32:45] it's precedes everything, [32:47] >> right? I mean, the property can be shut [32:49] down when the threat is imminent to [32:50] lower it. [32:51] >> The state did change that that code a [32:54] little bit to make it a little harder [32:55] for the city to do that. I mean, it has [32:56] to be a true imminent threat now. Um, [32:59] but if there is an imminent threat, I [33:00] mean, they can clear the property and [33:02] secure it. All in all, I think the [33:05] numbers are going to be substantial if [33:07] we can get everybody's compliant. [33:13] » So the numbers in red, the five units [33:15] and more goes up significantly. Uh [33:18] there's no comparison. Were these these [33:20] were changed. So were they brought down? [33:22] >> They were all lowered. They were all [33:24] lowered. [33:26] >> Basically, if you take the number of [33:27] units, it would have been times 300 [33:29] under the old scheme. So under the old [33:31] system it was so if you had a 100 units [33:34] it would have been $30,000 now it's [33:36] 15,000 something but that makes it [33:38] closer to apples to apples with the [33:41] large [33:44] single buildings best way I can put it [33:46] the fraternity houses sority houses and [33:48] they're the ones that are the that [33:50] you're going to find 40 people living in [33:51] a single house 60 people living in a [33:53] single house [33:54] >> Brian when they first started the fee [33:56] schedule was [33:57] >> yeah okay so that would force landlords, [34:02] you could reach out and get your own [34:03] engineer to come in and certify it. We [34:06] didn't want to do that because the fire [34:07] department's going to have to fight the [34:08] fire. We we brought it way down more [34:10] reasonable to make them take control [34:16] cuz you want the fire department to get [34:18] in there. Some of them we probably won't [34:19] be able to probably like you know we [34:21] should be able to do them all but we [34:24] need to be there and be active and [34:27] proactive I guess is the word to say to [34:29] have the fire department will come in [34:30] inspect them all. So when we talk and [34:33] >> you know it's nice to have the fire [34:34] department there the inspections but by [34:36] right as a landlord you can find your [34:39] own inspector to go in and do them [34:41] >> and a lot of times it's this this is [34:42] what you get. They never even come to [34:44] the place. We don't want that. We want [34:45] the fire department to be involved. So, [34:47] we brought the fee schedule [34:48] >> to incentivize that. [34:50] >> Yeah. Way down. [34:52] >> And we had to give the fight the [34:55] landlords a choice by law. We couldn't [34:58] just demand the facility. [34:59] >> I'm not saying someone still won't do [35:01] it, but then the ones we [35:04] >> we didn't want to condone the places [35:05] anyway. So, [35:06] >> and we did limit them to do the [35:08] inspections for a landlord to a licensed [35:10] design professional. [35:12] >> So, they can't just get somebody to walk [35:14] through it and say, "It looks good to [35:15] me." So whoever puts their signature [35:18] stand up putting their license at the [35:20] risk if they're doing the you know [35:23] taking it just not looking at the [35:25] property. So no guarantee it won't [35:27] happen right [35:28] >> but if you have a professional [35:29] engineering license for an architecture [35:31] license [35:32] >> you probably don't want to lose it. [35:35] >> So the fees are the proposed fees are [35:38] going down but the expected revenue is [35:40] up. [35:40] >> Well they're going down for what the [35:42] original proposition said like So what [35:46] is budgeted? They're they're [35:47] anticipating just based on getting the [35:49] house to all those sites. What was [35:51] budgeted was budgeted was more for a [35:54] three-year plan because everybody's on a [35:56] three-year cycle for that inspection. It [35:57] was not attainable to get it in one [35:59] year. So that was one flaw. And then the [36:02] second flaw was that. So the idea is to [36:05] they it's going to hit 50 to 60% as a [36:08] projected number of what they are. We're [36:10] not finances next meeting. Good. We'll [36:12] take a look at that next meeting. [36:16] are publicly numbered right now, but [36:19] >> well, it's something new. So, [36:20] >> yeah. I mean, all the good landlords had [36:23] no problem. What's going on? And like [36:26] you made a good point. [36:27] >> You're going to have some trouble [36:28] landlord. [36:29] >> The college kids do look at this stuff [36:31] now. Back in the old days, they didn't. [36:34] A lot of these parents wanted, hey, do [36:36] they have, you know, a certificate? They [36:38] do look at it. [36:39] >> And if they don't have it, they're not [36:40] going to let their kid go. [36:41] >> Yeah. [36:42] and knowing that they were going to site [36:44] the landlord, they don't apply, which is [36:46] because [36:47] >> that they had to have a certificate [36:49] posted next to the door. Correct. [36:51] >> Correct. [36:51] >> But I don't think I ever saw that. Well, [36:54] you put them up there, but the next time [36:55] you go there, fire escape plan, the size [36:58] of the rooms, all that's got to be [36:59] posted into [37:05] » So, I had been under the impression [37:08] perhaps I could have been more clear [37:09] with my request that we in the final [37:11] proposal would have a sidebyside [37:13] comparing it to the original. Um, I had [37:17] some concerns about the scale of the [37:19] reduction from the original proposal. [37:22] Um, I don't want to hold things up too [37:24] much. I'm happy to have conversations on [37:26] the side. Um, my concerns are specific [37:29] to the the code changes and since we'll [37:34] be getting the finances on it next week, [37:36] I think it may make more sense to hold [37:40] off on this section of it until we have [37:42] a, you know, an impact on the the [37:44] finances and vote on this next meeting. [37:49] There is no code changes in this [37:51] proposal. [37:51] >> I think he means the the RCC fees that [37:54] are changing. [37:55] >> Yes. [38:02] » So you want to vote on it [38:05] except for that section or hold the [38:07] whole thing in time next time? [38:09] >> My biggest concern is with this section [38:11] and and the impact on the finances from [38:14] it. So, I'm planning moving forward with [38:16] the rest of this meeting if that [38:18] streamlines things or that's beneficial [38:20] and just discussing this section at next [38:23] council meeting if that works for [38:25] others. [38:26] >> I'll just vote no. [38:27] >> I can do that as well. I was proposing a [38:30] compromise. [38:31] >> Yeah, maybe a compromise would be this [38:32] can always be amended. These rates are [38:34] done. We did it by resolution for that [38:36] reason, but unless there's a majority of [38:39] us to do it, there's a lot of other ones [38:41] that impact that. It's all one document. [38:43] You're getting too close to college. [38:45] >> Yeah. [38:46] >> Well, I but I think I think you know to request respect your past. I think we [38:52] could have that discussion more and then [38:54] go back and just amend those if you [38:57] wanted to later. [39:00] » I'm more comfortable voting no currently [39:03] than having discussion in this feature. [39:05] >> But I would still like that. [39:07] >> I would as well. So I I do appreciate [39:09] that, Mr. Mayor. Right. [39:11] >> Anybody else? [39:14] Wait, excuse me. Page 11, the garbage [39:16] fees for the dumpster corral. Uh, [39:19] there's a number and then there's a [39:20] number in parentheses. Were these an [39:22] adjustment? [39:23] >> Those are an adjustment as well. That [39:25] does show the side by side. Um, [39:30] the anything in parentheses is what it [39:32] was before. So, if it says new, like as [39:34] you'll see underneath the graffiti [39:36] removal, the work order fees, that's [39:38] new. um if the number is in parenthesis [39:42] it in that case they went down. Um and [39:46] the reason that went down is because [39:49] when we went through the budget with the [39:51] garbage committee [39:53] the fees that were listed were not were [39:56] more than charging for the service we're [39:58] providing. And the goal was never for [40:00] garbage to be a money maker. It was to [40:02] be to cover the costs of the garbage. [40:04] And the fees just did not line up with [40:06] that. So, we went through and refigured [40:10] out the fees um [40:13] and created some more categories because [40:15] again, you were treating a restaurant [40:18] like say community the same as New York [40:22] bagel who doesn't really have anywhere [40:25] near the sit down capacity and the the [40:27] type of garbage they're creating, you [40:28] know, or the Hollywood is completely [40:30] different to a, you know, a small shop [40:32] that might only be open for breakfast or [40:34] lunch or just serve coffee or something [40:36] like staff. So, it creates two tiers of [40:38] restaurants, two tiers of retail [40:40] businesses. Um, it creates a new um [40:45] small office um and then also a [40:49] commercial one and commercial two um [40:52] rest, you know, uh category [40:57] example there. when Central obviously is [41:00] a big office, [41:02] Ed Gooler is one guy with maybe a [41:05] part-time secretary that he has. It's [41:07] not fair that they're paying the same [41:08] amount for garbage. So, it just again to [41:11] try to get that uniformity, try to keep [41:12] things fair, we created some more [41:14] categories and went through and [41:15] reallocated everything. Um, and we [41:17] looked at what it would be like once the [41:19] all of downtown is laid out with the [41:20] garbage um corral system. And this will [41:24] more than cover the cost and provide a [41:26] little bit of extra money for keeping [41:28] the fencing up to date replacing things [41:30] that need to be replaced and things like [41:32] that. Um [41:39] Chuck did a very long analysis of that [41:41] to come up with what the keep out [41:43] correct u [41:45] amounts were for that. [41:48] >> Anybody else? [41:50] Page 14, uh, parking fees, [41:54] business and residential lists a one, a [41:56] three, six month, and then 12 month. [41:59] The, and it looks like it's scaled so [42:02] that the longer the permit that you get, [42:04] the less per month that you pay, [42:06] correct? But when you look at [42:08] residential, the six month, uh, it's [42:11] sort of an anomaly. It's more than [42:15] >> math doesn't math. really expensive. [42:18] >> It's more expensive to get a six month [42:20] than to get two three month [42:25] » or to get a one month or six months. [42:31] » It is a good catch that is tight for um [42:39] you want to do math now or should we [42:41] approve and come back? [42:45] Everybody's looking at your calculator. [42:47] Yeah, I'll I'll need a couple seconds to [42:49] do some math on that. [42:50] >> Okay, [42:52] >> we'll add a new line and we'll go back. [42:57] » Thank you. [42:59] So for instance, if um if we talk to [43:03] Portland [43:04] County [43:06] and Homer and they want to chip in [43:11] um we might revisit the cost of [43:15] nonresidential swim passes right [43:21] down the road, [43:21] >> right? [43:22] >> That would be great. Yeah. I mean, [43:25] again, we hate to have to have charge [43:26] those not working. I wish we didn't have [43:29] to put that column in. [43:31] >> I know, [43:31] >> but that happened. Yeah. [43:33] >> It did. [43:37] » It's good you brought that up. That's [43:38] page 16. That is a reduction. That [43:41] corrects [43:42] >> the swim season passes family, [43:45] >> adult, child. [43:46] >> Yeah. [43:47] >> Senior, they're all going to be [43:49] decreased. [43:50] >> Yeah. Those 125 and now it's for example [43:55] family was 225 and now 100 just [43:59] unbearable for for people we went [44:02] discouraged people go away [44:06] originally [44:07] digital process was almost a punishment [44:10] it's not fair to them [44:12] >> doable [44:13] >> it should be $189 [44:17] is what it is is if you do a three [44:19] threemonth path It's a 5% discount. A [44:21] six-month pass is a 10% discount. The [44:24] full year pass is a 15% discount. [44:26] >> So, six months is what? [44:28] >> Uh 6 months to 10% discount. It should [44:31] be 189 for the residential rate and then [44:34] the 12-month rate is a 15% discount. So, [44:36] it's just 5 10 15. The discount grows [44:39] the longer you do it. [44:40] >> So, are the others accurate? [44:42] >> The rest of them are all correct. Yes. [44:45] >> So, what is the amount for residential [44:47] 12 month? 357 for 12 month, 189 for 6 [44:51] month. [44:55] » Good math. [44:58] >> We did that. Hope people [45:04] » Anybody else? So you got that amendment? [45:07] >> Amendment. Okay. Thank you. [45:11] >> Anybody else? [45:14] Please. [45:17] Hi, [45:18] >> Council Member Silicon. [45:19] >> Hi, [45:19] >> Council Member Canelo. [45:20] >> Hi, [45:21] >> Council Member Lane. [45:22] >> Hi, [45:22] >> Council Member Calmer. [45:23] >> No, [45:24] >> Council Member Carpenter. [45:25] >> Hi, [45:26] >> Council Member Backwood. [45:27] >> Hi, Council Member Michaels. [45:29] >> Hi. [45:31] >> Agenda item number three, accept and [45:33] recognize donation for the fire [45:35] department. [45:39] Resolve that the city of Portland County [45:41] Council on behalf of Mayor Steve and the [45:43] fire department expresses its gratitude [45:45] for the generosity of the donors below. [45:48] Be it further resolved that the council [45:49] hereby accepts a donation of it below [45:51] and appropriates into the accounts and [45:53] for the purposes that's made below a [45:56] donation from James and Cassandra Lewis [45:59] now $100 [46:01] um into the TE 2044 account for [46:05] automated external difficult [46:17] Hi, [46:18] >> Council Member Ser. [46:19] >> Hi, [46:20] >> Council Member Panel. Hi, [46:21] >> Council Member Lane. [46:22] >> Hi, [46:23] >> Council Member Con. [46:24] >> Hi, Council Member Carpenter. Hi, [46:26] >> Council Member Beck. [46:27] >> Hi, Council Member Michaels. [46:28] >> Hi. [46:29] >> Item number four, accept and recognize [46:31] donations to the police department. [46:33] >> Resolved that the city of Corman County [46:34] Council on behalf of Mayor Steve and the [46:36] police department expresses its [46:37] gratitude for the generosity of the [46:39] donors below. We further resolve that [46:42] common council hereby accepts the [46:43] donation listed below. donation listed [46:46] below and appropriates it to the [46:48] accounts and for the purposes [46:49] designated. Donation from Dorothy Duff [46:52] in the amount of $1,749.98 [46:57] uh for the purchase of a K9 ballistic [46:59] vest for P9 Addie and it'll be deposited [47:02] to account TEO21. [47:05] >> I'll move that second. [47:07] >> No, Miss Lane. [47:09] >> Chief, we got to get Addie at maybe at [47:11] the next meeting. Can we get that to [47:12] happen so everybody can [47:13] >> Thank you very [47:20] much. [47:20] >> Council member Tob. [47:22] >> Hi. [47:22] >> Council member Sllan. [47:23] >> Hi. [47:23] >> Council member Panelloo. [47:24] >> Hi. [47:25] >> Council member Lane. [47:26] >> Hi. [47:26] >> Council member Conlin. [47:27] >> Hi. [47:28] >> Council member Carpenter. [47:29] >> Hi. [47:29] >> Council member Beckwit. [47:30] >> Hi. [47:30] >> Council member Michaels. [47:32] >> Hi. [47:32] >> Agenda item number five. Adopt policy [47:34] for review and approval of murals in the [47:37] historic district. Resolved that the [47:40] city of Coral County Council hereby [47:41] endorses and adopts the policy next tier [47:44] 2 titled policy for review and approval [47:46] of murals in the historic district [47:48] effective immediately and be it further [47:50] resolved that the historic commission [47:52] city clerk and the city code and zoning [47:54] enforcement officer and then I got a [47:58] typo to correct are authorized and [48:00] directed to implement the procedure set [48:02] forth in set policy for all future mural [48:06] proposals within the historic district [48:10] >> motion senator [48:14] any questions just real quick like I [48:16] mentioned last meeting something [48:18] actually talk to Linda about that maybe [48:20] we can get their help on that building [48:22] so [48:22] >> the art commission will be discussion [48:26] involved [48:26] >> next so if somebody wants a mural on [48:31] their building they would have the [48:33] artist do a mockup and then that would [48:36] go for [48:38] >> historic [48:38] >> the the appropriate commission historic [48:41] if it's downtown or committee if it's [48:43] elsewhere. [48:45] >> Okay. And so it wouldn't come before [48:48] council at all. [48:51] Um, I think in the policy it does state [48:53] that the commission makes [48:55] recommendations for the for the council. [49:02] 100 and a lot of that stuff Katy that we [49:05] don't see like the zoning the [49:09] planning department the historical [49:11] department we don't normally see unless [49:13] >> somebody's not happy with their decision [49:15] they have the right to decide we don't [49:18] see what they say we don't norally do [49:19] that we take the recommendations same [49:21] with the police commission the fire [49:23] commission [49:24] >> I I just wanted to uh double check [49:26] before I spoke uh so in terms of [49:29] approval of a mural it would not come [49:32] before the council. Um the so currently [49:36] any u certificate of appropriateness in [49:40] the historic district if somebody wants [49:42] to make a modification to the facade [49:46] um they receive a certificate of [49:47] appropriateness from the historic [49:49] commission and appeals are through the [49:52] CPA. This would um be the same appeal [49:56] process. If the commission denied a um [50:01] mural or some aspect of it, the appeal [50:04] would go to the ZBA. [50:06] >> Okay. [50:06] >> Then so this process would remain [50:09] consistent with the existing process for [50:13] facade changes. [50:16] >> Okay. [50:17] We did the other murals or Y's vision in [50:20] the bank was saying, you know, it's a [50:23] similar process passively. We need to [50:25] make it official. [50:26] >> Have to put our faith in other people's [50:30] aesthetics. [50:32] >> Okay. [50:34] >> Which you do [50:36] >> if you're RC [50:37] >> and that's the purpose of appointing the [50:40] people. Yes. [50:42] >> Anybody else? Anyone please? [50:44] >> Council member Tober. I [50:46] >> council member Silman. [50:47] >> Hi. [50:47] >> Council member Panel. [50:48] >> Hi. Council [50:49] >> member Lane. [50:50] >> Hi. [50:50] >> Council member Conway. [50:51] >> Hi. [50:52] >> Council member Carpenter. [50:53] >> Hi. [50:53] >> Council member Beckwith. [50:54] >> Hi. [50:55] >> Council member Michaels. [50:56] >> Hi. [50:57] >> Agenda item number six. Set public [50:59] hearings on proposed local laws [51:00] confirming with the agreement of the [51:02] county of Portland for the collection of [51:04] real properties tax. [51:07] >> Resolve that the following public [51:09] hearings are hereby scheduled. a public [51:12] hearing August 8th, 2026 to adopt the [51:16] local law repealing local law number one [51:18] of 20ou of 1994. [51:21] Uh this would opt out of the tax [51:23] enforcement provisions of chapter 602 [51:27] of the laws of New York State of 1993. [51:31] uh effective January 1st, 2027. [51:34] Public hearing saying, all these are uh [51:37] August 18th at 6 PM. The second to [51:40] repeal article five of chapter 254 [51:45] uh related to collection of delinquent [51:48] taxes. [51:49] Uh the third to amend article 21 section [51:53] six of the charter to change the date of [51:56] the mayor's budget uh submission from [51:59] October 15th to August 15th [52:03] and a public hearing to amend article 21 [52:07] section 10 of the charter to change the [52:10] date that the conf council must adopt [52:11] the final city budget from December 31st [52:14] to October 31st. [52:17] All these being effect would be [52:19] effective January 1st, 2027. [52:22] Be further resolved that the above [52:24] public hearing shall be held on October [52:26] 18th, 2026 at 6:00 p.m. at 25 Court [52:30] Street. Be further resolved that the [52:32] city clerks hereby authorize and [52:34] directed to publish notice of said [52:35] public hearings in the official [52:37] newspaper of the city in accordance with [52:39] applicable provisions of New York State [52:41] Law and the city charter and code of [52:43] ordinances. I think [52:45] >> I think you said October 18. [52:49] >> Did I say misspoke? It is. It should be [52:52] August. [52:56] » Second. [52:58] >> Any questions? [53:02] » Please. [53:03] >> Council member Tob. [53:04] >> Hi. [53:04] >> Council member Silicon. Hi. [53:06] >> Council member Panel. [53:07] >> Council member Lane. [53:08] >> Hi. [53:08] >> Council member Condo. [53:10] >> Hi. [53:10] >> Council member Carpenter. Hi. [53:11] >> Council member Beckwit. Hi. Council [53:13] member Michael. [53:16] >> All right. With that said, I'll take a [53:17] motion for adjournment. [53:22] All in favor? [53:28] Father, Amen.