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Okay, it is it is 6:30

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everyone
and welcome and welcome tonight.

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We heal.
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warm water
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you do your
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» I'm going to assume that you can hear
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» Wait a minute. Maybe we've had these
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» It's the owl.
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we are
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» microphone is
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Well, um I didn't mean to zoom in like
that. Here we go.

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Good evening everyone. Um, thank you for
being here. My name is Chhating Chen.

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Uh, you can also call me Ting. I am
visiting from HDR, which is a civil

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engineering consulting firm, and I'm
based in the Seattle area.

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Um, and I'm here to present you the work
that we've done on the stormwater

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comprehensive plan, which is the first
one that's done for city of Cosmopolis.

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And this effort was um supported by the
grants funding from office of Shahala

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Basin.
Um and oh and my role is a storm water

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engineer. So I'm a civil engineer by
training

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and many of you probably are sitting in
the for the first time listening in on

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stormwater planning. So I want to first
give you some background on what that

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actually means. So storm water planning,
we think about it as a guide to manage

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your rainwater and runoff. So when
rainwater hits hard surfaces, it's going

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to go somewhere. And what do you do
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And the goal for storm water planning
overall is to minimize the negative

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impacts on the environment, on your
infrastructure, and on your communities.

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And here in uh lower Shahes Basin and
also in Cosmopoulos, flood reduction is

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our number one goal. And that's kind of
what we're going to go into focusing on

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flood reduction as a part of the storm
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So to be able to do that, we first try
to figure out what are the biggest

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flooding issues that we're seeing.
And once we identify those issues, we go

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on and do the engineering analysis to
figure out what are the potential

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solutions and which ones to go first.
And lastly, the the million-doll

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question literally is how do we actually
fund these solutions?

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And uh this is kind of the steps that
I'll go through when we're talking about

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the storm water comprehensive plan is
also the step that uh we've done these

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plan. So we go from talking about
existing flooding issues and then we go

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to proposed solutions and lastly we'll
go into the financial analysis that we

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performed as a part of this
comprehensive plan

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and that's also the agenda for today.
So first going over to the bigger

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picture of storm water planning. Um in
United States clean water act tells us

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how we should regulate and protect our
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And in state of Washington state uh
department of ecology usually regulates

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that. But for uh municipalities that's
small like cosmopoulos the municipal

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storm water permit which is a part of
the clean water act actually does not

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apply. What we have here is local
ordinances that help us uh regulate

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storm water and tell us what to do. So
there's one ordinance uh for developers

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focusing on storm drainage. Uh and then
there's another ordinance that is uh

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applied for storm water and surface
water management and that has to do with

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collecting storm water utility fees for
greater surface water protection.

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And it's important to talk about
cosmopoulos in connection with Shahal's

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basin because the river connects all of
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So for the for this area Washington
department of ecology has set up the

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office of Shahala's basin and there are
three major goals. The first one is to

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protect communities from flood damage.
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salmon and other aquatic life. And third
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more major and potentially more frequent
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Uh what's really great is that the
office of Shahala's basin the OCB

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administers state funding to these
different communities

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and the as I mentioned before the
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completely funded by that state funding
and we received it in 2025.

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So with that background I'll go into the
analysis that we perform in our

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engineering firm and um and then the
solutions that we come up with. So first

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I want to start by talking about
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So we review some old drawings of the
city system and identified about 220

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patch basin and manholes. You drive by
them every day. There are about four

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miles of pipes. For this specific um uh
study, we focus on two outfalls. Uh

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there's a Shahalis River at East Street,
so that's the one over here. And then

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Mil Creek at Second Street, so that's
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here near the Thai gates.
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and this and this other alpha near the
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And I think you know this better than I
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lowlying topography especially where we
are right now. There's just not enough

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of a slope to send water to river when
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proximity to Shahala's river also leads
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during especially during high rainfall
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both flooding locally and also the water
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water level is so high at the river.
And lastly this is the problem that

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every single utility faces is that we
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underground. We don't see them. we don't
know how what their conditions are. We

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only know them when they collapse and
that's that's a little bit too late and

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that's usually really expensive to
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problems that we have in this area
and from the interviews that we've done

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we identify that Mil Creek is the
highest priority area for flood

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reduction in Cosmopolis. So, yes,
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minimize the zoom box one more, then we
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left. There we go.
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» See, I thought I was a zoom expert, but
you're the zoom expert.

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» No, no, no. [laughter]
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» There. Yeah, perfect.
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Hide fold and med. Okay, great. That's
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So, yeah, the picture here I'm just
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uh that was done and that's showing
covert uh flooding along Mil Creek.

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Okay. So, I want to first situate us um
in Mil Creek along Mil Creek and

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focusing on the main in uh biggest
infrastructure here. So starting most

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upstream we have the Mil Creek Dam. Uh
it was breached in 2008 and it was

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replaced by 2019 and my firm HDR
actually also applied for state funding

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at that point and designed and
constructed the the dam.

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And then going from Mil Creek further
downstream we have all the covert

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crossing I was just talking about. I'll
come back later and we'll go to the

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confluence point with Shahalis River and
that's the Mil Creek tide gates. Uh

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right now the tie gates are controlled
but we don't really know how it's

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operating. They're boxes with locks on
them and there's no way to really go

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back uh go and and uh adjust any of the
setting. But we think that if we were

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able to actively lower the water level
before storm roll in that may help us

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reduce flooding in Long Mo Creek because
that's creating additional source for

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water to go to. Uh here on the right I'm
showing some of the photos um that's uh

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of of the Tigate structure um that's
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and in this like downtown low-line area
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[clears throat] Mo Creek and photo
showing here again these six often get

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flooded during high uh rainfall events.

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So those are the three main area along
Mo Creek. And now I want to talk about

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some inland flooding that we also
investigated. So first this is flooding

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the spot near the gas station near F
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lot. There's flooding and we've
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it just collapsed pipe. So pipes need to
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replaced.
And we've also investigated a flooding

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at J Street and Fourth Street um right
outside of the county roads maintenance

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yard. Uh there's a sag in the road that
also sometimes see flooding.

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So to summarize the major issues that we
investigated, we are looking at Mil

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Creek Highgates. We're looking at the
six covert crossing along Mo Creek and

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then two inland flooding issues kind of
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And now that we've identified the
flooding issues, I want to go in and

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talk a little bit about the solutions
that we've come up with at the very high

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planning level.
And addressing those four separate

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issues, we come up with six different
projects because sometimes you need two

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projects to target one issue. So at the
tight gate we have in mind that we'll

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start with a study of how the tig is
actually operating and what are some of

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the options that we can actually that
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and then once we use that study to
identify the best cost-saving option we

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will go in and do the construction and
improvement. So that will be the second

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project.
And you notice that I started kind of

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talking about Mil Creek from the
downstream near the river before moving

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back up because if we have the
downstream bottleneck having that issues

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addressed, hopefully that opened up more
space that the upstream issues are not

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as severe as they have been before. So
for the covert replacement, we focus on

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replacing the downstream coververts
first, the first three and then we move

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up and to kind of look at it at the as a
series and then for the two inland

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flooding project we also looked at some
of the alternatives there and I'll go to

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project one by one and going back to the
map.

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So for the Mil Creek study and design uh
we have applied uh Mayor Mayor Smeir and

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I have worked together and we applied
for grant funding for uh at office of

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Shahill's basin again to study the
actual operation and what are the

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options to improve our tie gates and if
this uh the decision will come out

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actually any point now in August they're
just in the final stages of picking the

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projects um and if we were to receive
the fund funding, the design will begin

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or the study will begin in um 2027 and
that will go for probably a year or two.

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And what's really great about this OCB
opportunity is that they are readily

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available to support your shovel ready
design to go into construction. So if we

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present them a plan and say hey we got
money from you to do the design, they

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would say basically you can go ahead and
do the con construction. So, it's a

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really good pipeline for our community
to do projects with OCD funding. And

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that will be looking at 2029 to 2031.
And moving upstream, as I said, um like

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the salmon, we are going to talk about
the cover replacement. So, there's 20 uh

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the downstream portion is going to be
looking at 2030. the further upstream

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portion closer to the dam is going to be
looking at 2035

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and then the inland and flooding are
lower on a priority because we want to

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go to Mil Creek first. So we identified
that the parking lot uh drainage problem

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is going to be the the fifth project
that we can address. So that included

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some catch basins replacement, upsizing
broken pipes, that type of work.

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Similarly, um the last project that we
looked at is upsizing pipe along J

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Street going into that outfall.
And part of the hope is that with all of

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the um Mil Creek flooding problem
solved, you can see that that that

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triangle, the outfall is going straight
to Mil Creek. So, if we actually can

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solve some of the flooding issue here,
maybe the water level at that triangle

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will be lower. So we don't see a lot of
flow backing in. So that in itself will

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release some of the flooding and we
don't actually need to go back and do

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this project. So everything is tied with
Mil Creek. If we address the issue in

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Mil Creek, there are a lot of
opportunities to do something else.

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Um and this is the ranking and the
planning level project cost. And I know

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these are big price tags. So I want to
go into it one by one. Um I kind of

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talked already talked about how we are
ranking these projects in terms of

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priority and came up with a planned
construction year. So the project costs

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I want to I want to really emphasize
with a giant asterisk around it is that

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these costs when we're looking at 2038
that's escalated to 20 $38. That's not

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looking at 2026. We're assuming 3% of
inflation every year to get to that

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cost.
And when we're presenting this analysis,

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because it's at the planning level, we
assume the most conservative cost. So

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this is going to be probably the upper
limit of what we will see on these. But

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even with that being said, this totaling
is looking at $27 million, right? We're

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all wondering how are we going to do
project like that? Um and grant funding

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is really the best best place to go. And
this is looking at 10 years. And I just

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also want to emphasize again that we are
actively pursuing grant funding to do

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some of these studies. And we just do
them one at a time, one step at a time.

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[clears throat] And this is um yeah and
then the TAGE study and design is the

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first one on the list.
So this last part of the presentation I

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want to go into a little bit of detail
of the financial analysis that we

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performed as a part of this project.
We started by looking at the existing

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revenue uh for coy storm water utility
here is exclusively funded through rate

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revenue. So that's the stormwater fee
that you're paying right now. is a flat

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fee of about $7 per account per month.
So that's per per parcel per month. And

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what I didn't include here is comparing
it with what other utilities are

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charging in the area. We're at about $7
flat fee per month. And [clears throat]

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the second cheapest one above us is at
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per month, doubling what we're charging
right now. So, I think it's fair to say

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that Col has a smaller revenue simply
because we're not charging as much as

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some of our neighbors are.
And even with that, uh, we are right now

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budgeting at approximately $70,000
annually for stormwater utility fees.

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And when we did this analysis, we assume
there to be no customer growth over

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10ear horizon. So the future revenue
projection assume there's no customer

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growth distributed just at staying at
the same population same amount

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and I will go into the weed a little bit
here because I want to kind of step by

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step go through how we came up with
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Um the first thing that we go in is to
try to figure out how much money do you

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actually need to run your program to run
your storm utility. So the number one

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thing that everyone spends money on is
operation and maintenance just doing the

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bare minimum. And in this case in CI the
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and when we are looking at future cost
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average inflation rate of 4.2%.

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And [clears throat] to simplify the
analysis you can see me crossing it off

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there. we assume that there are no
additional revenue coming from taxes or

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from inter fund transfer. So we just
we're just focusing on storm water

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utility on its own. And we also assume
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utility itself does not have any debts.
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requirement. We don't have to pay any
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And the last piece of this puzzle is to
figure out what we call rate funded

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capital. That is if we had savings, if
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um and if we had needs to go fix this
project, how much would that cost just

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to do the basic repairs in addition your
to your operations and maintenance? Just

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basic capital cost. So I will show you
now the capital plan that we use to um

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to kind of look at the rate funded
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and that's what the system needs and
based on the six projects that are at

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endify this is the astronomical number
of $27 million over next 10 years. Um

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and uh that's that's the capital cost.
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money that we can actually pay for that,
as I said, we're actively pursuing

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grants to actually pay for some of the
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the analysis, again, we're assuming that
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to fund any capital projects and there's
no debt to pay. And the difference

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between what it costs to do all the
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from grants ideally will be the rate
funded capital. And even that is a big

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gap. So I I do want to
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that for a little bit.
But coming from the race study, a number

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one recommendation is to continue
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Here in the purple highlight, I uh
basically highlighted opportunities that

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have loans. And it's really great that
in the state of Washington, hardship

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communities like Cosmopolis are often
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also for grant funding. So this is
really an advantage for us in that way

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to get that grant funding to do
something with storm water management

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and with flood management. What's in
blue are the um the grants that's

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available for storm water management and
also with like office of sha basin for

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flood reduction. These are competitive
grants that um every everyone in

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Washington will go for. Um as a
consultant I I help other cities apply

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for these things. even if it's
Belleview, even if it's um effort that

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have bigger bigger pot money. Um but but
again, hardship communities are often

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prioritized when it comes to receiving
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So that's the number one recommendation.
And number two, and this is what I want

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to present as uh something for all of us
to consider. This is not a thing that I

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want us to go in with the resolution
today but is thinking about what to do

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to increase capital reserve. So I'm
presenting two options here in the part

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of this analysis.
The first option is to uh increase rates

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by face. Um, and as an example,
uh, we're thinking about increasing the,

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um, rate by 5% annually for the first 5
years. So, we build up some of that

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reverse and reduce that increase to 2%
annually, just as an exercise.

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At this rate, we're going to see a uh
total reserve of about $20,000 by 2031,

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which is still a small amount for the
kind of work that we need to do, but

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that is a 28% increase from what we have
right now. That's pretty huge. And what

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that looks like to your monthly fee
could look like is just putting a

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quarter and a dime in the piggy bank
every single month. And that if everyone

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were to do that, that's $19,000.
But this is this is just one option that

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we considered.
The second option which is very common

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among stormwater utilities is to support
uh to use a equitable rate structure.

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Meaning if you have a bigger parcel, if
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expected to pay more for storm water
management just because there's more

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rain that land on my property than on
single family home. So in this case, uh

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a lot of time the industrial parcels and
commercial parcels could be charged more

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to offset that difference and the rate
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residential could remain the same.
So, these are just two options that

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we've looked at for our uh for the
comprehensive plan and something for us

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to kind of consider uh as we move
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But I'm going to close it out by just
talk about some of the recommended next

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steps. So, the first two I've already
talked about when it comes to financial

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health. One is to continue pursue
external grant funding. Two is to

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consider adjusting storm water rates to
fund capital. Perhaps adopting a more

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equitable rate structure.
And three, um I'm using some big words

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here, asset management plan for city
storm water infrastructure. What it

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means is that I think it's important for
the city to know what facilities we

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actually own and what's in our
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I uh mean by asset inventory to know
what's in the system. And the second is

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because they're all underground most of
the time, doing a condition assessment

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of these assets will give us an idea of
if they need to be replaced in 5 years

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or 10 years to 50 years. So we have a
way to plan for these upgrades.

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And the last thing coming up from that
is to figure out how much do those

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replacement and renewal will cost. So
that will help us get a sense of at

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least what is coming up next because
like any of your home repair when it's

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broken it's going to be more expensive
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And the last piece is to continue
implementing engagement activities for

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overburden communities so that they know
that there are different flood reduction

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initi initiatives going on in the
region. Um, this is my last slide and I

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left my email uh my my work email on the
on the slide for you if you have any

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other questions about the comprehensive
plan. It's now on the city's website for

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you to also uh look at if you're
interested, but I'll open the floor up

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for any questions.

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» In your um presentation, you you talked
about low slope and not a big retention

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area. for water. One of the things
historically is is the area by

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the the north end of town by the flood
gates that property back in there. There

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there was we used to clean it out. We
used to go in there and actually dredge

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that that creek uh take care of beaver
dams, things like that. that gave us the

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capacity a lot of times in the winter
>> to be able to store more water.

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» Yes.
>> During that time, is that factored in

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here at all as far as that maintenance?
>> That's definitely something that we are

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considering for the TAG study in the way
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creating storage is the only thing that
will make the tigate work. And one way

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to do that is to dredge it. And what we
did not look into is um environmental

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permits that's required to do that. It
can be it can be expensive and also the

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maintenance that's related to that. But
another option coming out from that is

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to uh potentially looking at pump
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» So instead of instead of judging it
creating that storage year after year,

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putting in pump station and then pumping
that water directly out to Shahalis

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could be another option. And that's uh
that's pretty common in this area as

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well. So for the the funding that we
applied, those are the things that we'll

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look into.
>> And that's part of what's happened in

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South A. And they redirected a bunch of
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» Okay.
>> And so they put in pump stations

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upstream, but this they also
[clears throat] redirected they ditched

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it. They put a lot of extra water into
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um, I was curious about that. The other
thing I had a question about is at the

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headwaters of the Mill Creek, um, there
are large parcels of property that do,

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you know, that's where that's where the
water starts and comes in. Is there any

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kind of opportunity to collect from
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It's in the county versus the city.
>> Yeah. I think that's the tricky part of

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storm water management is water goes
where it wants to go. Water doesn't care

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if it's in [laughter]
right if it's in the town next door or

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and and
the [clears throat] city only has

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agreement with its own residents and I
think that's a really tricky part and

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that's where some of the kind of region
level regional level efforts come in. I

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think when we talk about flooding, we
really need to see each other as

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partners and talk about opportunities to
work together.

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And I don't know the I I don't know the
issues well enough to really answer your

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question, but that's where
[clears throat] my mind goes first.

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» Um, Councilman Davis's deal Aberdine is
building another a new pump station here

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in South Everdine off of Farragut
Street. It's one of their proposed

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projects that will
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comes from that south not south what is
it this well southeast side or south

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yeah southeast side of Aberdine south
Aberdine [clears throat] they call it in

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the swamp area between the two cities
here and um I'm part of the flood

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authority I'm one of the members of the
flood authority and and I brought up the

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idea that eventually that we might look
at a pump as well as what Aberdine and

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Hokquim have now put in and we're
finding to be more and more because in

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my time here
the creek floods and if it can't get out

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because the river level is as high as it
is. That's why you got to have the pumps

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instead of a gate. A gate's just going
to keep the water from the river coming

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in, but it isn't letting our water out.
and and so I know that's one of the

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ideas that we've been passing around. Uh
we have turned in um the paperwork for

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the project for the study and stuff. It
has made and went through the first set

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of evaluations. It came back.
>> You guys went through it a second time

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and sent it back in. And so it's been
evaluated and now we're just waiting for

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it. It it didn't make shovel ready. So
yes, it didn't end up hitting right now

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to be funded, but that next bianium is
where we look like we'll end up with it

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in getting into the next bianium with
that funding.

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» Okay. Yeah. And and exactly what you're
saying, pump is a pump is an option.

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What Councilman was saying too, like
dredging and creating additional storage

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is another option. And definitely we're
looking at both short-term construction

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costs and also long-term maintenance,
what that will look like.

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» And T, I hate to stop you here, but we
do need to start our um council meeting.

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Yeah,
>> you have the her email address. You can

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reach out and contact her. I've had the
pleasure of working with her for several

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months and I see us continuing to work
together. So, um, if you do have

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questions, please reach out. Okay.
>> Yeah.

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» Thank you. Thank you J very much.
>> Are you going to stay for the meeting?

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» Yeah, I'll stay for it. But
>> you don't have to.

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» I don't know how to
exit it. So

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» So do you have any other presentation
which is

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» No, that that's the only presentation.
>> I think then we leave it on and ask have

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people just start admitting that.
Leave it this big screen on

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in case people want to ask questions.
>> Okay. Uh what we want to do is have it

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as speaker.
>> We'll have Chris and Casey on tonight.

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» Okay. I think it's still all working.
>> Okay. Should we proceed then?

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» Y.
>> Okay. Um

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Councilman Skinno, could you lead us,
please? I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America and to
the republic for which it stands, one

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nation under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.

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» Thank you. And Councilman Skinn, will
you do roll call, please? Oh, this is

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Mayor Springo. It's Wednesday, August
19th, and I call the council meeting to

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order.
Mayor Springer

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» here.
>> Councilman Skinner here. Councilman W

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present.
>> Councilman Spargo

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» present.
>> Councilman Davis

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» here.
>> Councilman Darcy

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» here.
>> All accounted for.

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Um, before we vote, I'd like to add an
addition to tonight's agenda, the

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boundary line adjustment ratification
for partial A and B, block 24, which I

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would like to add as an item four under
new business discussion and item two

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under new business council action. Is
there a motion to approve the agenda for

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tonight's meeting as amended?
>> So move. You need to have someone to

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make a motion that we add.
>> You got to have

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» Okay. So,
>> I make a motion that we a um

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a

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adjust the agenda to reflect the um
new part. [laughter] Here we go again.

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amend
>> to add

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the ratification of for parcel A and
parcel B block 24

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to uh the new business and item number
two

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take council action.

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» Is there a motion?
>> That was the motion. Now you need a

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second.
>> Thank you.

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» Seconded.
>> All is in.

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» Any questions? Any questions?
Where is that? Where are the uh what

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area are we talking about?
>> Isn't this this piece of property?

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» This is part of the Oh, this part. Oh,
okay. Okay.

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Any other discussion?
>> All in favor?

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» I
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Okay, moving on to the consent agenda.
Is there a motion to approve the consent

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agenda? I make a motion to approve the
consent agenda.

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» Is there a second?
>> Council me second that.

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» Is there any discussion?

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» All those in favor?
>> I.

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» All those opposed.
Okay. There'll be none. Council comments

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at this time.

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Hearing none. [clears throat] We'll move
on to committee reports, auditing and

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finance.
Uh we I didn't go over the um vouchers

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00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:29,200
and also um Councilman Skinner and I
the vouchers ourselves as well.

416
00:46:28,367 --> 00:46:32,200
[clears throat]
Park

417
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:48,800
uh our public safety meeting last night.
Uh I will refer the reports from the

418
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:53,119
Aberdine Police Department and the um
Cosmopolis Fire Department to those

419
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:57,839
committees when they move that
direction. Uh we did have a little more

420
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:03,040
discussion last night on what's going on
across the street and the updates that

421
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:08,800
have been uh uh shared with the
community whether through the newsletter

422
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:13,599
or the newspaper. Uh there's plenty of
social media people out there reporting

423
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:18,560
on what's going on across the street as
well. Uh

424
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:24,000
all different kinds of information. I
think our best bet is to get our

425
00:47:20,319 --> 00:47:27,839
information from the EPA. um and go with
what they're

426
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:32,400
letting us know and how they're dealing
with the issues over there. We can all

427
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:36,640
see as we drive by that it seems to me
that somehow even if it is August,

428
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:40,720
there's less water right now sitting
over there on the ground than there had

429
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:46,319
been for the last few months. So either
they um broke a a beaver dam or

430
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:50,880
something happened over there to reduce
some of it. they have taken chemicals

431
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:57,440
away and they will proceed to or
continue to do that for the upcoming

432
00:47:53,200 --> 00:48:02,000
months. So, uh that uh we discussed a
little bit more about the traffic

433
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:08,000
calming uh issues that we've uh
identified and um uh we've tried I would

434
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:14,400
say we're working towards getting them
on the agenda. The agenda has been full

435
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:20,560
of priority items and so that hasn't hit
the agenda yet, but we hope to here real

436
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:24,400
soon get that on the agenda. Um, other
than that, uh, Councilman Davis, you

437
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,720
took some notes. You got some more to
add to it. I think you pretty much cover

438
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:30,240
everything.
>> Okay.

439
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:34,880
» Okay. Public works. We did not have a
meeting this month, so

440
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:38,960
» Okay.
>> Official reports. Um

441
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:43,760
» if you could do that
>> city administrator

442
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:49,920
» uh council, first of all, this is my
first council meeting uh that I've been.

443
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:54,240
So it's been um I tell people I've been
drinking drinking from fire hose uh to

444
00:48:52,480 --> 00:49:00,240
get that. But I really want to do
appreciate you as council uh helping

445
00:48:57,839 --> 00:49:04,880
helping me understand
kind of how that we're where we are with

446
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:08,800
it. U because anytime you walk in
something new, it's new. you just don't

447
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:16,800
know. You assume stuff and you don't
know. And and um but it's been a great

448
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:21,680
it's been great being here and I've just
been amazed with the citizens that are

449
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:27,599
in Cosmopololis. I mean, they're just
great people and the parks and and just

450
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:31,839
just the whole town is just a is a great
town. Um now, with that being said,

451
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:36,000
obviously there's some big challenges
that we have. Um, and you guys have been

452
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:41,520
doing actually a pretty good job of of
of managing it. I mean, with with

453
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:47,200
limited resources, um, definitely a lot
of stuff going on. Um, but I'm I'm

454
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:52,720
excited to be here and um, and my door
is always open, you know. So, um, if you

455
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:56,319
need to track me down on something and
if I don't know, I'm going to tell you I

456
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,920
don't know. If I do know, then I'll
probably, hey, this is what we can do.

457
00:49:57,839 --> 00:50:05,280
and and I and I'm I'm gaining some
thoughts but of of the town. Um but

458
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:10,480
understand that there's just a lot of
things that my goal is to work within

459
00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:13,689
versus coming in and saying, "Hey, I've
got the answers for everything." Because

460
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:17,200
I don't. But, uh here at the
[clears throat] table, I think that we

461
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:21,280
can work together. Um so, with that
being said, uh want to give some updates

462
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:26,720
and one of the big things that obviously
that we've been working on is Cosmo

463
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:35,599
Specialty Fiber and the site cleanup. um
that we had uh uh last week on Thursday

464
00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:40,960
uh we had held here at the city hall um
uh meeting with the EPA or EPA basically

465
00:50:38,319 --> 00:50:45,280
it's a drop in you know um so people
could ask questions there were 12 people

466
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:52,319
that were there and they included
representative from uh uh Congresswoman

467
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:57,520
uh Randall's office um I was there we
had a daily um world reporter um and a

468
00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:03,119
representative from the Kronalt Indian
Nation. And then of course the three EPA

469
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:09,280
employees that were there, one public
affairs specialist and the two on on uh

470
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:14,559
seeing um coordinators
um and the EPA's goal um is to remove

471
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:19,119
large quantity of chemicals stored at
the site um over the next 3 to 5 months.

472
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:25,359
Um, and they're going to be working
Monday through Saturday, 7:00 a.m. to

473
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:29,040
5:00 p.m. Um, the funding, that was a
big question that came up was where it's

474
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:33,040
coming from. It's coming through the
super fund authority. Uh, but the

475
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:36,960
officials stressed that this is not a
super fund site, you know, so it just

476
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:44,559
that's the that's where the pot of the
money comes from. Um, and the reason why

477
00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:50,319
the EPA is here is they have the ability
to work on acute problems that are time

478
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:55,280
critical, you know, so that's removing
the chemicals. So that's there. What

479
00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:59,119
they don't do is they're not they're not
going to do soil. They're not going to

480
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,800
do, you know, whatever the structure is
over there. They're they're just

481
00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:06,400
basically there for the chemicals. That
is where ecology comes in, you know. And

482
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:12,319
so that's going to be a bigger
discussion of what happens next after

483
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:19,440
the EPA is done. Uh they think there's
between 700,000 and 750,000 gallons that

484
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:26,160
have been confirmed. Um primarily uh the
the red liquor um which contains

485
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:31,200
magnesium bulfite. I don't know if I got
that spelled right or said that right.

486
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:34,000
Um but there's there's additional tanks
that they haven't gotten to yet, you

487
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:38,640
know, that they're going to work on
getting there. So there could be there

488
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:42,400
could be a lot more. Um the red liquor
is going to be pumped uh using new

489
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:46,160
equipment. So they're going to instead
of using their existing equipment

490
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:50,640
because there's no power over there.
They're going to open up the top and

491
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:55,920
basically suck the stuff out. Um and
then they've got stuff that's going to

492
00:52:52,079 --> 00:53:01,040
neutralize it on site. So neutral pH. Um
and then they're going to truck it uh to

493
00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:04,640
the licensed disposal uh facilities. Um
they said that they're probably going to

494
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:10,240
take it through the Blue Slooh area
instead of going through town, but

495
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:14,880
they'll do that. Um the Washington
Department of Ecology, uh which was not

496
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:18,880
there, but they're going to they are the
ones responsible for the separate

497
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:23,839
address oils and the smaller containers.
And so you you're probably going to see,

498
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:28,800
uh spill uh vehicles in there. It's not
that there's a spill, they're there to

499
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:33,680
clean it up. Um, so far the EPA has
documented 8 to nine leaks mostly in the

500
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:39,839
piping. Uh, and some of them are small
leaks. Um, uh, but they said that the,

501
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:43,839
uh, inactivity of the facility makes it
less hazard than an operating mill, you

502
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:47,920
know, cuz I know we've all been talking
about what happened down south. Um, but

503
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:54,240
it's no longer heated, no longer
pressurized. Um but they've got concerns

504
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:59,040
with aging tanks and they have no
maintenance history of what what's going

505
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:04,319
on. Um so it remains concern. They're
going to be uh air monitoring. We'll

506
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:09,599
watch for sulfur sulfur uh dioxide
particulates vapors. Um and they're

507
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:16,880
going to be publishing monitoring data
uh weekly on treatment and shipping

508
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:21,440
totals. Um right now they're using open
uh treatment tanks. Um, and the reason

509
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:26,079
why they do that because they can
analyze whether or not it's happening.

510
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:31,440
Um, now if they're going to monitor it,
but if something was to happen where

511
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:35,359
there's more um fumes that are being
released, I mean, and they're they've

512
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:41,920
got sensors all over the place, then
they can do um closed tanks instead, but

513
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:47,280
it's hard it's harder to monitor it. Um
EPA they over and over again said

514
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:51,760
they're limited to removing the bulk
chemicals and ecology is the one

515
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:58,319
responsible for long-term investigation
soil, groundwater, sediments, wetlands,

516
00:54:54,400 --> 00:55:02,640
overall site cleanup and and we've had
conversations but we don't really know

517
00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:06,800
what the plan is. Um so that's that's
going to be something that that we just

518
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:12,559
got to keep pushing. unresolved issues
which they don't know is the residue

519
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:17,520
sludge because as the tanks as the tanks
empty out there might be stuff that's on

520
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:23,119
the bottom and then it might not be
practical to remove it other than I mean

521
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:26,559
if if you want to get someone in there
to suck it out. So that's where they

522
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:29,920
just have to figure out as they go
whether that makes sense. And then

523
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:34,800
there's
uh a lot of pipes through the entire

524
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:39,599
thing. And so some of the some of the
pipes are like inch thick. Um and so to

525
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:44,400
clean all the stuff out of there is
probably going to be impossibility uh

526
00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:47,280
with it. Um but they're going to do once
they get in there, they're going to have

527
00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:54,079
a better idea.
Um, again, like I said before, it's

528
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:58,720
taxpayer funded, but the EPA expects to
pursue costs to recover from current and

529
00:55:56,319 --> 00:56:03,680
former owners, and they made that clear,
but they they gave the current owner

530
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:07,680
plenty of time to try to get the thing
cleaned up, but there's been no

531
00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:15,119
response. Um, so they're they're
pursuing um the legal legal aspect. Um,

532
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:18,720
uh, EPA is coordinating with county
emergency management, fire, law

533
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:22,640
enforcement. We had a big meeting with
everybody in there to understand what's

534
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:27,200
going on. Uh, but there is no dedicated
public siren. So, if something happens,

535
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:31,200
you're not going to do that. But there
is because there's no power in the side,

536
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:34,160
but if something was to occur, energy
management would handle the

537
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:41,454
notification. So, it' be typically that
we would do if a tornado came through or

538
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:45,280
whatever, you'd be um, alerted. Um
[clears throat]

539
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:51,359
the I think the one feedback that I got
was uh there was not enough notice for

540
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:55,760
people to know and why it was so quick
and the reason why it was so quick is

541
00:56:53,200 --> 00:57:01,599
the direct conversation we met with them
is they were in town. We felt that it

542
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:05,599
was important to get a meeting right as
soon as possible, you know, so the word

543
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:11,520
is out. They're talking about whatever
it whatever it's going to be and we

544
00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:17,359
still had um good good representation in
there, but the plan plan is to do um

545
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:24,720
many more. I mean, so um it all depends
what but there'll be greater more

546
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:29,920
advanced notice. Um and uh you know
if there's things that we can put the

547
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:34,319
word out better um to get that you know
we certainly would do that cuz really

548
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:38,559
there they were um if you were there
they were they were great people to talk

549
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:42,720
to. I mean they just gave you gave you
the facts. Um I said that you know what

550
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:47,200
they could work on what they wouldn't u
but they haven't actually done done all

551
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:54,319
that stuff. So so the plan is to have
more dropins. Um and then uh our plan

552
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:59,040
from the city is also to create a web
page with with all the information on

553
00:57:56,799 --> 00:58:07,319
there to keep people up there. But uh
their their page that they actually have

554
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:07,319
uh which is the um response.gov/cosmotc

555
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:15,280
is pretty good. I mean it has has all
the stuff and you can go to see some of

556
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:19,680
the documents with it. So So our plan is
to put that together. Anyone have any

557
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:25,040
questions before I go on my next thing?
>> And they have put security back.

558
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:28,720
» Yes. Yes. I I mentioned they they as
long as they're there, they are going to

559
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,640
have security. Now, what happens when
they go

560
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:35,425
» Mhm.
>> is is there because it's it's obviously

561
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:38,240
it's a it's a great nuisance
>> [clears throat]

562
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:40,799
» um out there. But yes, yeah, they have
that.

563
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:44,400
» The time frame is 7 8 months. Is that
what they said? uh they said about 5

564
00:58:42,319 --> 00:58:48,000
months, but they won't know until they
start actually, you know, getting in

565
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:52,559
there. But they're they're here and
they're they're on site. Um and they've

566
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,520
really been great to work with so far.
>> Very approachable.

567
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:59,280
» Yeah. With it. And and they have no
problem if you've got if you got

568
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:05,040
questions, you know, and they'll they'll
tell you what's going on and uh some

569
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:09,440
things they can't say, but um you know,
but um they're they're a great a great

570
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:14,319
team.
And anything else?

571
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:18,720
um just give you an update. I I don't
know if you if the council knows or not,

572
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:26,720
but you know, uh I'm still working on
the fire museum water damage. Um and so

573
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:31,920
uh we have the insurance company has
not reopened the claim, but they've

574
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:37,920
approved us to uh to go and do further
investigation on the wall and have it

575
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:42,319
open it up and see if there's any um
water damage or whatever is in there.

576
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:46,880
And then once we get that, then we'll
see what our next steps are. So, no no

577
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:50,960
promises, but at least we're um we're
having the conversation. They're going

578
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:54,640
to come back and take a look at that. Um
tomorrow, we're going to be interviewing

579
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:58,720
for deputy clerk position. Um they're
scheduled for tomorrow. We've got four

580
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:03,760
people that we're interviewing. Um and
the administrative office is we're are

581
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:07,680
going to be closed as there's three of
us that are going to be interviewing.

582
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:11,839
Um, so I'll update the the council as
soon as we decide whatever whatever

583
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:16,240
we're going to do. And then the building
department coverage, I know that some

584
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:20,559
people have have,
I guess, talked about it, but um, but

585
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:24,720
the building inspector, Bill Cider, is
has been out. He's got he's got some

586
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:29,280
issues that he has to uh take care of.
Um, we expect him to come back. Uh, but

587
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:35,920
in the meantime, Josh Padet from
Aberdine is covering his position. Um,

588
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:41,520
and he he's getting all of Bill's
emails, uh, um, returning phone calls.

589
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:45,119
He's been out doing inspections. Um,
and, uh, so we're we're on track and

590
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:48,480
we're not we're not dropping anything
there. And, um, we talked to Bill

591
01:00:47,736 --> 01:00:52,559
[gasps]
probably at least every other day about

592
01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:56,880
what whatever is going on. So, uh, uh,
we hope to have him back and and get

593
01:00:55,200 --> 01:01:00,960
back up to speed. But, uh, we do
appreciate, uh, the help that we've been

594
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:05,920
getting from Aberdine, um, on on that,
you know, and again, I I really do

595
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:10,799
appreciate all you guys do as council
members. I mean, that, uh, being a

596
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:16,240
council person, it it's hard. I mean,
you just from time to get the stuff done

597
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:19,920
and um, and right now as a is a tough
time in Cosmopolis and and to be on the

598
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:23,760
council, you know, there's some
decisions you have to make that are

599
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:27,920
tough. Um, and it's hard, you know, but
I really I really been impressed with

600
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:34,960
the work that you guys do and especially
for some challenges you're in there. I

601
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:41,200
mean, I think that um uh you are guys
are doing a lot with not a lot with it.

602
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:46,000
So, so I appreciate it and I'm glad glad
to be here and again my my door is

603
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:51,040
always open. Um, so whatever I can do to
help you guys or or just or you guys

604
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:54,960
help me on figuring out how do we get
get places, that's all I got.

605
01:01:53,280 --> 01:02:00,000
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Police Chief Chief Green.

606
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:03,040
» Thank you, Mayor. Uh, just to go out
with the city manager said make sure you

607
01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:06,720
sign up for your [laughter]
alerts to Gar County Emergency

608
01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:11,359
Management. There's a link on there to
put your uh name and phone number to

609
01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:14,160
that they have your correct information.
So if you have an alert, they can do

610
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:17,839
that. They're able to do it um
geographically based. We can do the same

611
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:21,440
thing for our dispatch center. So that's
very important stuff that has to make

612
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:27,520
sure you guys keep keep updated on that.
The city of Abin also has a notify me um

613
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:31,520
app and a website too. Uh I would
certainly encourage you to sign up for

614
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:34,960
them too. Uh they're just you so it's
important you get any emergencies might

615
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:39,599
be going on with your neighbors. Uh last
month in July we saw 54 calls. So it was

616
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:42,559
down from June. uh the most of the
calls, the highest call we had with was

617
01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:45,920
parking enforcement. I think that's a
good thing that uh if people are calling

618
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:49,839
our parking enforcement officer for some
of the nuisance uh vehicles um you know

619
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:53,520
when we started this I kind of talked
about our goal with the parking is to

620
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:57,440
just get people to comply and take care
of their business and so George has only

621
01:02:55,359 --> 01:03:00,240
written two tickets out of 20 calls. So
that's a good thing. I think most people

622
01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:03,599
are complying. That's about about the
rate that we see in the city of 2. One

623
01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:06,960
out of every 10 persons doesn't want to
comply. So, we think they get an

624
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:10,960
interfaction later this year. Later this
year, you'll get an update on the

625
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:15,119
parking codes. Uh, city causes are kind
of outdated, so we're just going to um

626
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:20,400
make them current. Uh, you see the
traffic data on the report, too. So,

627
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:25,119
you're getting us just under uh 6,000
cars a day driving by the speed signs in

628
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:28,799
the both directions. They're still still
well below the speed limit. That's a

629
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:32,240
very good thing. And uh the average
speed is is staying very consistent

630
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:35,680
which uh we also think that's a great
thing too because sometimes people might

631
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:38,799
get too used to it and start speeding up
a little bit but we haven't seen that

632
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:43,599
yet. [sighs and gasps] We were able to
hire our 37th officer this last month.

633
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:48,559
She starts police academy on September
15th and she'll be graduating uh next

634
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:52,559
spring. Then we had Nash night out on
the 4th just a couple weeks ago. were

635
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:56,640
able to stop them both the one I ever
site and then two both of the Kazy sites

636
01:03:54,160 --> 01:04:00,640
before we got stuck in our barricad call
just down the road um really appreciate

637
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:03,359
all the community coming out and helping
us out and then we were on that call you

638
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,000
know our priorities [clears throat] make
sure everybody in the neighborhood's

639
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:09,520
safe so that's why those things take
time you know we're never in any kind of

640
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:12,319
hurry to resolve the situations we want
to make sure that everybody in the

641
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:15,680
neighborhood's safe and the victims are
taken care of and so those things just

642
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:21,599
take time unfortunately and that's just
kind of how it goes

643
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:29,839
» thank you And at this time, our fire
chief will be joining us by Zoom. Chief,

644
01:04:27,359 --> 01:04:35,680
» I uh good evening and uh my apologies
for not being present tonight. I had a

645
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:43,039
had a family uh issue that occurred. So,
I normally would be there. Um, so it's

646
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:48,319
been a fun start um for uh being your
fire chief and um met a great group of

647
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:53,440
volunteers on the first drill night uh
of the month and kind of kind of got

648
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:57,680
some understanding of people's needs and
uh where we can grow the department from

649
01:04:55,440 --> 01:05:02,880
here. Um so current
>> currently we are sitting at 216 calls

650
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:07,280
for service. That's 34 calls since our
last since the last report that you

651
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:13,280
received. Um we saw a significant uptick
in uh fire uh structure fires or FSRWs

652
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:18,559
as they're listed. Um those were all
mutual aid um with other departments

653
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:25,200
predominantly at the city of Aberdine.
Uh however uh still a significant uptick

654
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:30,960
having 11 in a uh month's time. We did
have some uh medical responses and 13

655
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:35,280
aid responses. Uh four lift assists and
two hazmats that were unrelated to the

656
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:41,680
mill. Um just want to make sure that we
don't it wasn't Cosmo. Um all the

657
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:48,480
majority were handled um well by our own
volunteers um with the assistance of

658
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:52,319
Aberdine Fires paramedic unit and engine
coming from Southside and we really

659
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:58,880
appreciate that cooperation that we do
have. Um with that we have two members

660
01:05:55,039 --> 01:06:05,359
that are in uh fire 2 academy. both are
being reported doing really well and are

661
01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:11,520
representing um Cosmopolis fire um very
well. Uh we have two um recent

662
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:16,240
applications uh that one have gone out,
one's already returned to add additional

663
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:22,799
volunteers. Both have an interest in
fire and EMS. Um so that is great. And

664
01:06:19,839 --> 01:06:27,119
we were able with the donation and
mayor, I need you to say the family last

665
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:34,000
name so I don't destroy it. [laughter]
>> Okay. Hopefully I don't. Um Daryl Drewi,

666
01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:40,240
» thank you. Um with the charitable
donation from their family, we were able

667
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:46,400
to uh repair our uh two of our bay doors
that needed had much needed repairs um

668
01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:51,039
with no cost to the city. So pretty
happy to be able to um get that

669
01:06:49,301 --> 01:06:56,160
[clears throat] fixed so we have a safe
uh environment that doesn't delay our

670
01:06:53,200 --> 01:07:01,440
response. Um, that's that's all I have
for this meeting. Uh, I'm sure I'll have

671
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:06,559
more in future meetings.
>> Thank you, Chief Mac Binger.

672
01:07:05,021 --> 01:07:12,000
[clears throat]
Um, on to the mayor's report. I have a

673
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:18,319
few updates to show this evening. So,
coming up this Sunday is Festival in the

674
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:23,520
Park. Um, Festival in the Park is August
23rd from 11 to 4. I want to note a

675
01:07:21,839 --> 01:07:30,160
correction. Our newsletter had a
misprint listing Saturday at the correct

676
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:37,280
the correct day is Sunday the 23rd. You
can look forward to a free kids corner

677
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:43,359
music featuring from 12 to 2 call engage
who is a well-known musician in the

678
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:49,359
community and very popular. We have five
food vendors with a nice variety of

679
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:54,400
food. 25 vendors plus several agencies
that will be providing information that

680
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:59,760
support our citizens. There'll be a
cruise in car show. Prizes will be

681
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:04,880
awarded. Citizens will be voting on the
different categories. Um it'll be best

682
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:08,960
in show and different as I said
different categories. The midnight

683
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:15,107
cruisers and push rods will be
participating. also participating

684
01:08:12,319 --> 01:08:20,319
in kind of the community event
[clears throat] will be the Dennis York

685
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:26,799
Historical Museum will be open that day.
They plan to bring one of the historical

686
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:33,520
fire trucks to the festival. Um our
chief will have also applications for

687
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:38,239
that. Um volunteers can pick up there.
Um and so there'll be a lot happening on

688
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:44,480
the 23rd. get out, visit businesses,
come to the festival, go up to the

689
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:49,120
Dennis York Historical Museum. Um, we
normally, well, we had started the

690
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:53,359
pancake volunteer pancake breakfast.
Unfortunately, we're not having it this

691
01:08:50,799 --> 01:08:58,880
year because our two volunteers that are
very actively involved in it. They are

692
01:08:56,319 --> 01:09:05,600
the individuals that training and then
our chief, um, Koko was also one of the

693
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:10,960
volunteers last year. He is now working
um full-time as a fire chief at a

694
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:16,799
different department. [clears throat]
So, also we have a blood drive that will

695
01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:22,480
be on August 24th. I think she still has
a couple spots. We have information that

696
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:28,960
if you stop by city hall, we can connect
you. It's also on our city Facebook page

697
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:33,520
and it's from 9 to 3. The blood mobile
will be located on D Street on the curb

698
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:37,279
next to the fire hall. So, if you
haven't, you know, you have an

699
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:43,440
opportunity to save a life and really
help out because blood at this time of

700
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:47,520
year, um Jane came in and spoke at the
senior lunchon and gave a wonderful

701
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:52,560
presentation about the need and there
was a very high need for it. Um we did

702
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:55,440
not have a public works meeting
scheduling was interesting

703
01:09:54,013 --> 01:10:00,560
[clears throat] this but I will give you
an update. Um, one of the things that

704
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:06,320
public work has been working on, they
did do all the alleys. Um, if they miss

705
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:11,360
one, let us know. But all the gravel has
been put in the potholes in the alley.

706
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:18,239
They're contining to work on cold
patching. Um, as you can see, if you

707
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:24,480
take a look at First Street, it looks
pretty amazing. Um, again, our seasonal

708
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:29,280
help was brought on as a full-time
employee. Um, and he's doing an

709
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:37,000
excellent job keeping things trimmed and
looking nice here in the city. Um, let's

710
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:37,000
see how we move on.

711
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:45,840
Oh, the other thing coming up is um I
just the chief spoke about National

712
01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:51,280
Night Out. We had one [clears throat]
there at Highland Park and one at the

713
01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:57,199
Dennis York um historical museum. Nice
turnout for both of them. the police a

714
01:10:54,560 --> 01:11:00,823
police department, the cadets and the
VIPs who are in attendance and we want

715
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:05,280
to thank you. You had a excellent
[clears throat] turnout and people

716
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:11,520
enjoyed um seeing you and visiting. So
that's my report this evening. So we are

717
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:16,199
going on to new business at this time.
Item number one, public hearing,

718
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:24,080
closure vacation of Ali Row. And John,
will you speak to this? Uh you want to

719
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:31,679
do that?
>> Oh. Oh. So at this time I will recess

720
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:38,159
the regular council meeting and reopen
and reopen the continued public hearing

721
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:46,960
on the petition to vacate the alley
right away adjacent to lots through 20

722
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:53,840
block 49 rural NIMs addition as petition
by the Cosmopoulos school district.

723
01:11:50,560 --> 01:12:01,760
» Okay. Uh if you remember on July 15th,
the council um uh passed resolution 2601

724
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:06,719
setting tonight uh setting tonight's
date for the public hearing that we had

725
01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:12,880
on that special meeting uh to vacate the
alley right away adjacent to lot 1

726
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:17,360
through 20 block 49 rural news edition.
Um the petition was filed by the

727
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:22,000
cosmopoulos school district. Um and
they're they're the property. It's like

728
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:28,080
right in the middle of the school um
with it. Uh we have not received any

729
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:34,239
written comments and we only received
two so far we've only received two um uh

730
01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:39,760
verbal comments and they were both in
favor of doing this. Uh so at this time

731
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:43,000
we'll take any any comments that anyone
might have.

732
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,920
» Okay. Then you can go ahead and close
the hearing.

733
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:52,960
» Okay. Seeing no further comment, I will
close the public hearing. I will now re

734
01:12:50,640 --> 01:13:02,159
reconvene the regular council meeting.
Item two, lease of the police station

735
01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:09,840
space. Um I'm excited we've had the um
had alto be leased rented. Um we do at

736
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:19,120
this time have an agency that is
interested. the staff has put together

737
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:23,679
um a we have a proposed rent um we put
together for leasing the space at the

738
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:28,880
police building. A summary is below and
I'm going to go through it with you.

739
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:34,400
There's a proposed rent of 25 to 3,000 a
month with room for negotiation. The

740
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:40,000
space is 2,444
square ft. That's the entire office

741
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:46,400
space over there. Um the structured as
modified growth leaf base rent plus

742
01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:51,360
prorate utility, water, zero, garbage,
electricity. The term is a yearly

743
01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:56,960
contract agreement with no automatic
renewal. Grant is based and approved

744
01:13:53,840 --> 01:14:02,960
upon square footage with the andor CPI
adjustment. The city retains master

745
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:08,239
access. Tenant is responsible for
telecommunication, internet, phone, and

746
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:13,520
property liability insurance. the city
will pay for technology relocation.

747
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:17,520
» Actually, they they agreed to change.
>> Oh, that's right. They did agree to do

748
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:23,040
that, which was very nice. For office or
professional use. Um, so we really had

749
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:29,920
to look at who this would be rented out
to. So, for the office, it's only for

750
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:35,600
professional use. No retail, food
service, or hightraic public facing

751
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:41,679
uses. Um, no use that conflicts with the
city hall operations. No use requiring

752
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:46,640
evening weekend public access. Tenant
must pass background and security

753
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:53,440
screening. Proposed ten tenant at this
time is the crisis network support which

754
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:59,120
meets with this which met with the city
and we were very pleased with our

755
01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:06,960
discussion. See this as a very positive
step forward for that youth. Um so the

756
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:14,000
only um clients that they see is uh
crisis support. They um it's very

757
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:19,840
discreet, very confidential and um I
think they'll be an excellent tenant. So

758
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:25,040
is there any discussion at this time?
>> Will they be using the same access as

759
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:26,159
» No, they will they will use a police
side.

760
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:31,440
» Okay.
>> Yeah, they will not be coming through

761
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:35,080
the city side at all. Any other
comments, discussion?

762
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:40,760
Okay.
Um,

763
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:48,960
so
um, moving on to resolution 2026-02-

764
01:15:47,717 --> 01:15:54,640
[clears throat]
EMS fee. Tara, would you like to speak

765
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:59,280
to this at this time, the EMS fee?
>> Sure. Um, thank you, Mayor. Tara

766
01:15:57,199 --> 01:16:04,000
Dunford, finance consultant. Um, I just
want to make sure that council

767
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:08,239
understands how critical this is. Um,
when council did approve the contract

768
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:16,640
with Aberdine, this really should have
happened at the same time. Um, the

769
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:22,480
difference in the rate is $39.62
per month per customer. So, for your 751

770
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:28,400
accounts, that equates to nearly $30,000
a month. If you don't adopt this rate

771
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:32,800
increase tonight, the general fund has
to pay the difference. The general fund

772
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:37,760
simply does not have that money. That's
as much as your entire police contract

773
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:42,719
with Aberine is. We're already going to
have to eat the one month since it

774
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:48,080
didn't pass last month um correctly and
and that already will hurt the budget.

775
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:52,239
Uh the general fund had about $250,000
in it at the end of June. that money

776
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:57,440
would be gone so quickly if you start
eating it down with this. Um, I know

777
01:16:54,960 --> 01:17:02,880
it's very expensive. I know it's a big
impact on customers. I absolutely agree.

778
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:08,080
We should look at a rate study to see if
there is some sort of subsidy option or

779
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:13,600
a way to lower that rate, but we don't
have the capacity in the budget to not

780
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:18,239
adopt this rate at this point. Um,
there's just no money there. Um, I was

781
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:22,159
involved with Aberdeen's budget
presentation and budget process when

782
01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:25,679
they went through this and and they had
a lot of heartache over doing it too. I

783
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:30,719
mean, it went through many, many, many
council meetings. Um, it was a huge rate

784
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:35,440
increase that they were subsidizing the
EMS by the city's general fund and in

785
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:39,760
fact in essence subsidizing Cosmopolis's
EMS services through Aberine's general

786
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:44,719
fund. Um, and their budget just simply
couldn't sustain it. That's the reality.

787
01:17:41,679 --> 01:17:49,600
So, um I I just want to make sure
council understands how critical this is

788
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:52,880
and how important it is. And you're
contracted now to pay this rate to

789
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:56,320
Aberdine. If you don't pass this and
collect it from customers, it has to

790
01:17:54,400 --> 01:18:00,159
come from the general fund and and cuts
are going to have to come from somewhere

791
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:06,080
because there's simply not money there
to fund it.

792
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:12,320
» Thank you, Terara. So this resolution
would increase the monthly EMS fee

793
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:17,600
charged on the utility count to 6754
as we discussed in a workshop

794
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:24,880
meetings
many times previously

795
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:27,920
um amending resolution number 2023-04.
Is there any discussion before

796
01:18:26,884 --> 01:18:32,640
[clears throat] they'll vote this
evening?

797
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:40,640
» I have a question for you Tara. You
might recall Chief Folly brought forward

798
01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:45,600
an EMS fund or some sort of em EMS
breakoff from the utility bill. That

799
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:51,360
separate money was going towards the
Kazzy Fire Department.

800
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:56,400
What happened to that fund? That money
or does this rate eliminate that fund

801
01:18:54,000 --> 01:19:00,560
now that the rate is in increased?
>> That's a great question. So, you still

802
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:05,440
have the new fund 110. So that was
established last year for the EMS fund.

803
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:10,159
Previously the EMS revenue was accounted
for in the general fund. It's still in

804
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:14,480
essence the same thing. The money comes
in from customers and it goes out. We're

805
01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:21,040
just tracking it in a separate fund so
that you have really easy visibility.

806
01:19:17,679 --> 01:19:26,480
um what was established last year when
that fund went into play, there was a

807
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:31,920
very small difference between the amount
charged to customers and what was

808
01:19:28,239 --> 01:19:37,920
remitted to aver bucks and it equated to
$7,500 in last year's budget. The goal

809
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:43,120
of the chief at that time was to build
up some money and have a little bit of

810
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:48,080
resources to start funding your own EMS
program. Being that now it's going to be

811
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:52,880
a direct pass through, we won't have
that additional $7,500 a year.

812
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:55,600
» Gotcha. It's a great question. I do
recall that we talked about being more

813
01:19:54,719 --> 01:20:03,040
of an accounting.
>> I mean, even if it lowered that fee to a

814
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:07,920
$66 instead of 67 per month, it would
help the citizens. Um, you know, it's

815
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:10,880
just a it's just a heavy rate on our
utility bill.

816
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:14,159
» Uh, thank you, Tara. I was curious about
that.

817
01:20:12,239 --> 01:20:24,320
My questions are still the same that
I've had is the uh is

818
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:28,560
in the contract it says utility hookup
um what utility we talked about it

819
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:35,920
whether it's sewer whether it's water
>> it water utility so it's the 751 water

820
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:40,640
connections there are roughly 630 I
can't remember if it's 631 or 633 sewer

821
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:47,880
connections um so those that are on
wells obviously don't pay sewer. Um so

822
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:47,880
it's a 751 water connections.

823
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:57,280
» Um
so the other part of that question is

824
01:20:54,480 --> 01:21:01,760
there is exemptions available
and are we using or do we know what

825
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:07,360
those exemptions would be? So my
question is my math says we're we're

826
01:21:04,719 --> 01:21:15,280
paying 759
connections based on the fee to be paid

827
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:20,880
and uh I'm just curious about the the
city buildings. Are we including those?

828
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:28,800
Because we didn't used to in the water
connection. It was exempt from the

829
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:36,159
contract. So, we went from 730
a few years ago to 700 I have 759

830
01:21:34,159 --> 01:21:39,600
um
water meter connections.

831
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:45,360
» I'm just looking at the July report
right from the financial system and 751

832
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:51,440
connections were built were build
>> um in July. Uh whether those are where

833
01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:55,440
the city ones are, I'm going to see if I
can find that. I am not an expert in the

834
01:21:53,679 --> 01:22:01,480
utility billing system. So, let me see
if I can find that answer quickly. I may

835
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:01,480
or may not be able to.

836
01:22:01,679 --> 01:22:10,159
But yes, the city in theory should pay
the

837
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:14,639
flat monthly 6754 per water meter
connection.

838
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:20,320
» So, the so the city so like the parks
each park each pump station each

839
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:24,000
» each hug. Yes. And [clears throat] u you
asking how many meter connections the

840
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:28,000
city has?
>> I'm trying to find out why our meter

841
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:32,000
connections went up that much because we
didn't have 20 new connections in the

842
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:37,679
last two years.
>> And so I would think that would be a

843
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:42,159
spot where the city would be able to get
an exemption from the city of Aberdine.

844
01:22:39,679 --> 01:22:46,080
I agree that the fee does need to be
paid. We do need to get it and it does

845
01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:52,800
need to go out to the citizens
unfortunately. However, the city itself

846
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:57,440
shouldn't because we're already funding,
you know, our fire department. We're

847
01:22:54,400 --> 01:23:02,400
already funding EMS fees. So, there
should be a blanket where all of the

848
01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:08,320
municipal buildings we shouldn't have to
pay that because I'm assuming I don't

849
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:12,080
know 10 how many connections do we have?
But that's something we can do. We can

850
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:18,159
ask for an exemption down the road after
that. after any of this other stuff

851
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:23,760
happens after we have to get this
resolved now and then any other ideas

852
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:29,360
that come up or ideas that you may have
need to be handled after and then start

853
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:32,480
form a committee and make it happen
>> and I don't disagree with you at this

854
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,960
point because of the time frame but all
that stuff should have been handled

855
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:38,000
previously well
>> before we got into this whole thing so

856
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:42,400
» well there's a lot of things that should
have happened I mean like I said all

857
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:46,080
these ideas people could have showed up
at Aberdine commit, you know, council

858
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:48,639
meetings and nobody did. So,
>> well, actually they did and they did

859
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:53,120
email council members.
>> Yeah. And I watched them.

860
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:58,239
» Yeah. But Aberdine is doing what they
need to do for Aberdine and

861
01:23:54,480 --> 01:24:03,040
» I understand do what they do for our cos
on

862
01:24:00,639 --> 01:24:07,199
» I I recall that we were using a
discounted rate where the city was

863
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:09,760
essentially subsidizing these bills
>> correct

864
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:14,159
» for a while. Is that now just being
passed on to Aberdeene? That so we've

865
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:19,040
transferred the subsidy that was
provided from our general fund and now

866
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:24,400
Aberdine's been doing it. Is that
>> we used to get a 20% discount from

867
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:28,000
Aberdine and now we're being charged the
full rate of 100%.

868
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:30,639
» So they were actually giving us a formal
discount

869
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:36,080
» because we had our own fire department.
We're handling some of the EMS calls

870
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:41,040
» and uh the problem is that we didn't
have enough volume. Our our staff didn't

871
01:24:38,639 --> 01:24:43,679
respond to enough volume of calls and so
they wanted to raise it to 100%.

872
01:24:43,199 --> 01:24:50,639
» Okay.
>> There is a there is a a hope that we can

873
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:54,159
get more active and be able to respond
to the calls. And then at that point

874
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:58,560
they they said they would consider
lowering it back down to an 80%.

875
01:24:56,400 --> 01:25:02,400
» Right. I recall that by a chief Goldberg
kind of good presentation on it.

876
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:09,199
» I was under the impression though that
part of the you know the kind of

877
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:13,040
discount to our citizens was being paid
um well basically just being covered by

878
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:17,600
the city of Cosmopol.
>> It was but the last administration

879
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:20,880
» I would have to
remember when

880
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:25,440
» Yeah. the previous Yeah. They stopped
doing that cuz when I first moved here

881
01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:29,364
there was a sub this city was
subsidizing and there was a council

882
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:34,239
meeting I came up I believe in like
[clears throat] 2022

883
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:38,639
probably like around 23 end of 22 23.
>> Yeah. But that's a different thing.

884
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:42,120
» They axed out the city subsidizing any
of that. Yeah.

885
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:49,920
anything.
>> Only comment I'm going to make and and

886
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:57,040
this probably not make some happy, but
we voted and passed this resolution

887
01:25:54,080 --> 01:26:02,719
over a month ago. And then we came back
and found out that we had to or passed

888
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:07,520
this ordinance to raise the rate. And
then we came back because we found out

889
01:26:04,639 --> 01:26:14,000
that we had to pass a resolution to pass
the bill or to pay the bill.

890
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:22,239
And the action of the meet of the
council that night cost the city $30,000

891
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:29,280
of our reserves
even though it had already been voted on

892
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:34,880
and passed to try to make some point
about not having process procedures or

893
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:41,520
doing things in the past.
We just threw away $30,000

894
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:48,080
that should have been passed on to the
residents. We're all residents.

895
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:53,199
I'm not saying that I was exempt from
paying it. I had to pay it, too. And I

896
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:59,520
understood that I had to pay it. But to
hold hostage the bill [clears throat] to

897
01:26:56,080 --> 01:27:02,520
try to prove a point was not good
policy.

898
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:09,440
Well, I respect your opinion. However, I
I disagree. I think the good policy

899
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:13,520
would have been to answer these things.
We brought it up in February, January,

900
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:16,719
and February, and tried to get answers
to these questions, and they weren't

901
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:21,440
answered, and they're still not answered
tonight. So, tonight we're going to call

902
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:27,120
for a vote. There's still questions to
be answered, but I do agree again, we're

903
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:33,920
put under the gun of the urgency of we
have to do this now. the policy should

904
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:44,239
be done previous to the vote.
So you want to blame the cost of $30,000

905
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:49,600
to the city, you know, look look around.
>> So I'm just I'm going to step out of

906
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:55,360
mayo throw for a moment. Um which I can
do and I'm going to speak to this.

907
01:27:52,639 --> 01:28:00,639
Aberdine took this before those citizens
numerous workshop

908
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:08,400
as to other people can and Sue who
attended those meetings council meetings

909
01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:15,520
they did not resolve it until March
this wasn't a rush through last minute

910
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:22,000
we had workshops we had meetings we had
a town hall meeting had to go back and

911
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:27,520
forth politics doesn't happen overnight
It would be nice if we could get things

912
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:32,880
passed quickly. It didn't. And overall,
it has cost.

913
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:38,000
And thank you for pointing that out.
We came, you should have been educated.

914
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:41,840
You should have understand instead of
pointing fingers, you have a

915
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:47,760
responsibility
to the citizens to make decisions that

916
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:53,199
keep this city moving forward. The last
two and a half years have been hard

917
01:28:49,920 --> 01:29:02,400
work, sacrifices
that have moved this city forward to to

918
01:28:59,199 --> 01:29:07,280
make that kind of vote that set us back
30,000

919
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:13,120
was very disappointing
because there's a lot there's council

920
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:19,120
here that work that volunteer to make a
difference and then to see what happened

921
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:24,840
last council meeting was very
disappointing and that's the last I'm

922
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,840
going to say on it.

923
01:29:25,166 --> 01:29:31,760
[clears throat]
Any other comments at this time?

924
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:35,440
Okay, with hearing no other comments,
John, where do we go from here?

925
01:29:34,239 --> 01:29:41,360
» Number four.
>> Okay, moving on to item number four,

926
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:48,960
boundary line adjustment, ratification,
parcel A, parcel B, block 24, John

927
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:52,480
Martin and Chris Koko.
Well,

928
01:29:49,679 --> 01:30:02,000
» so the reason why this is here uh that
is we have on further down um a proposal

929
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:08,080
to sell a piece of property um and uh
went through uh digging to get some

930
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:16,000
information on uh a boundary line
adjustment uh that was it was done. So

931
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:24,000
it was surveyed, it was done, the
boundary line was submitted to the um uh

932
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:29,600
the um
uh the board the assessor's office or

933
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:33,760
what whatever the uh that makes it. So
it's been it's been filed. Now one of

934
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:39,120
the things I went through and I could
not find any documentation that was

935
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:45,120
brought before the council for approval.
Um, so,

936
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:51,920
uh, what we need to do is obviously
before we sell the property and the the

937
01:30:48,239 --> 01:30:56,320
correct property
description, everything is in the sale

938
01:30:54,000 --> 01:31:02,960
package correctly. But one of the things
that if you're in a city and you make an

939
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:08,239
adjustment to a property property line
adjustment, the council has to approve

940
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:15,360
it. It has to become the and it didn't.
And I don't know why, but it just

941
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:21,199
didn't. And so um in advice to our um
attorney that his suggestion is that to

942
01:31:18,639 --> 01:31:27,040
make it legal, what we need to do is
bring it before the council, make it um

943
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:31,520
basically backdate that we approve it.
Um and because

944
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:36,159
well, it it needs to be approved. I
mean, from from a council point of view.

945
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:40,880
So that's the reason why it's here. ask
what is the reason for the property line

946
01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:48,239
adjustment?
>> You know, I was not here when you guys

947
01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:53,840
talked about it. So, I I don't know. I
can I I can make some assumptions with

948
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:58,480
it. I mean, if you look at the what the
original property was and what the

949
01:31:55,440 --> 01:32:04,480
property is now of being buildable, but
I don't know. I mean, I I'm guessing.

950
01:32:00,639 --> 01:32:09,360
So, the reason it got brought up was uh
the new building was supposed to be over

951
01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:15,120
on that lot, right, and all that. So,
the idea was was to ensure that there

952
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:19,840
was enough room for the rideway at the
end of this building to be able to get

953
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:26,000
to the street so that the property line
was surveyed. So, we knew we had enough

954
01:32:22,719 --> 01:32:29,520
access in there. and it ended up moving
the property line on I believe like 18

955
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:33,440
ft close
>> but there's still 30 ft in there

956
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:35,679
» which should be plenty
>> the idea was to be able to get a fire

957
01:32:34,719 --> 01:32:38,719
truck through there you have the
sallyport

958
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:42,000
» lid out there and stuff like that that's
why it got brought up

959
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:47,760
» and so
>> okay essentially we we're selling the

960
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:50,719
property we had some allotted on this
parcel that we're on right now that we

961
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:54,159
no longer need
>> that is correct yeah

962
01:32:52,719 --> 01:33:02,560
» okay so that's the reason why it's here
Very nice.

963
01:32:57,199 --> 01:33:07,920
» So, moving on to item five, sale of city
property 1312 First Street, John.

964
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:15,360
» Okay. And this is the property we just
talked about right next door. Um there's

965
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:23,840
uh buyer uh David Mill. Um uh county
assessor appraised the value is 39781.

966
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:29,760
uh listed price we put up at 79,500.
Buyers originally offer was 65,500

967
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:38,239
and then we countered and this is where
it 76,000 with it. Um you know and so

968
01:33:34,639 --> 01:33:42,480
the the key the key is one if the
council accepts that when we go in there

969
01:33:40,159 --> 01:33:46,320
but uh we kind of need to do both of
them if we're going to uh proceed

970
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:50,560
forward as far as the boundary line
adjustment and this. So,

971
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:55,760
» we could probably do. Yeah. So, I just
have a question about the um agreement

972
01:33:53,280 --> 01:34:01,280
that's on here. Is it expired? Cuz it
says that this that his offer was made

973
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:05,600
in July and that it's only
>> we there Well, no, it's not expired

974
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:08,480
because we
>> did the counter.

975
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:14,080
» We Well, we did the counter. It said
that. And then it also is on there that

976
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:16,800
it's um for council approval.
>> So, and we had this is our first time

977
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:20,880
that we've met.
>> Oh, right. Okay, sounds good. I just

978
01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:25,040
wanted to double check on that. Yeah,
>> other than that, it's just your basic

979
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:29,040
land deal, you know.
>> Yeah.

980
01:34:26,639 --> 01:34:34,639
» So, only other question I have is where
does the $76,000 go? I would earmark

981
01:34:32,480 --> 01:34:37,280
that to go someplace specifically.
>> Sure.

982
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:43,440
» That's going to go to the city's general
fund. You could earmark it specifically

983
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:47,120
to go to some specific purpose if you
wanted to.

984
01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:50,719
That'll be good to help make up for the
EMS fees that we just lost.

985
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:54,400
» Mhm. [laughter]
>> Yeah.

986
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:58,320
» Be a good year to mark.
>> Yeah. The appropriate time to do that

987
01:34:55,920 --> 01:35:01,960
would be during the 2027 budget process.
>> Process.

988
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,960
» Yeah.

989
01:35:03,199 --> 01:35:08,080
» Do we know if he what plans he has been
around?

990
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:13,280
» Yes. So, I'll go ahead and speak to
that. Um,

991
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:19,760
his plans are to build a twostory
building with a residence or apartment

992
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:24,719
up above with some type of retail down
below, possibly a restaurant or offices

993
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:27,679
down below.
>> Nice.

994
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:30,719
» And he understands it cannot be storage
units or anything like that. That would

995
01:35:29,679 --> 01:35:35,360
make very clear.
>> Not another coffee shop.

996
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:39,120
Well, [laughter] he actually said he
wanted a not and he was thinking about a

997
01:35:37,679 --> 01:35:43,679
coffee shop and offices and I said,
"Well, we have two coffee shops within

998
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:47,920
two blocks." And he's like, "Oh." I
said, "But you know, it was interesting

999
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:51,360
cuz there was information put out
because we have another piece of real

1000
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:55,440
estate and people have talked about a
restaurant, a number of things, and I

1001
01:35:52,880 --> 01:36:00,000
shared that with him." So he seemed very
excited to move forward not with a

1002
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:05,431
coffee shop but maybe a restaurant
something sandwich shops and off other

1003
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:05,431
offices. [laughter]

1004
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:12,080
» So you said that that's been very clear
but is that in the contract at all?

1005
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:16,800
» Yes it will be under contract. It will
be

1006
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:21,560
» that it is. I talked to the realtor and
he said it would it is.

1007
01:36:24,159 --> 01:36:31,199
» No.
>> Okay. Moving on to ordinance six number

1008
01:36:29,679 --> 01:36:34,199
1406
vac.

1009
01:36:34,719 --> 01:36:43,280
» Yes. So [snorts] this is what we've been
talking about. It's the um school the

1010
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:46,639
school district that wants it vacated.
Uh

1011
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:52,400
we
uh no one has spoken against it. Uh the

1012
01:36:50,480 --> 01:36:56,320
people that spoke for it, you know, the
comments were why haven't we done it

1013
01:36:54,719 --> 01:36:57,760
before? Um [laughter]
>> 75

1014
01:36:57,119 --> 01:37:02,080
» 75.
>> Yeah, cuz there's a um there's actually

1015
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:07,760
part of a building on on the rightway.
uh we are not giving up uh our easements

1016
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:14,480
when it comes for water, sewer, storm
water, etc. with it. So, we still have

1017
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:18,719
the rights uh there. Um it it really has
no impact to the city because it's

1018
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:26,320
really all school property that that
it's there. Um and uh um you know that

1019
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:30,480
the
>> I don't I really don't have much more to

1020
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:34,560
say. I mean, it's it's it's something,
you know, I I'm pretty sure the reason

1021
01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:39,520
why that it was never brought up before
is back in the day, people didn't have

1022
01:37:37,199 --> 01:37:42,719
computers. So, to look at
>> plots and things like that were very

1023
01:37:41,119 --> 01:37:47,040
difficult. They probably didn't realize
it. And then when they started this

1024
01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:51,520
construction project, their their team
goes, "Hey, you know, you know that you

1025
01:37:48,719 --> 01:37:53,920
don't have, you know, uh, right access,
and this is the time that we should fix

1026
01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:58,159
it."
So, I'm sure that that's why it came to

1027
01:37:55,520 --> 01:38:02,639
us and and again, it's the right thing
to do.

1028
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:11,040
» Okay.
Um, so moving on to item 7, 2026, our

1029
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:16,560
budget amendment ordinance number 1405,
second reading, Tara Deford, our CPA.

1030
01:38:14,719 --> 01:38:20,480
» Uh, thank you. So, no changes to this
document since council saw it last

1031
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:25,199
month. Um, just to go through the items
quickly. Uh in the general fund, there's

1032
01:38:22,480 --> 01:38:31,760
$192,115
for museum capital improvements. This is

1033
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:36,800
100% um funded by insurance money that
was received partially in 2025 and

1034
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:42,159
partially in 2026.
Um the reason we need a budget amendment

1035
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:46,560
is council still has to give expenditure
authority to the general fund in in

1036
01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:52,400
whole and there's not enough cushion in
there to absorb $192,000.

1037
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:58,800
uh but it is truly a net zero in terms
of revenues and expenses. Uh the next

1038
01:38:55,520 --> 01:39:03,159
two items go together. So the bond fund
is getting $242,91

1039
01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:14,159
um coming from the real estate excise
tax fund. Um this is related to the

1040
01:39:09,199 --> 01:39:20,080
shortfall on the city hall project. Um
the comprehensive plan was adopted back

1041
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:25,280
in April and um included the project in
the comp plan which allows the city to

1042
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:31,760
use real estate excise tax funds to pay
for debt service and project costs on

1043
01:39:28,239 --> 01:39:36,639
this building. Um again that one is
really there are no other options. There

1044
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:41,520
are no other funding sources for this.
Um it it really is administrative

1045
01:39:38,719 --> 01:39:47,199
cleanup and and the only only available
funds um that the city has at this time

1046
01:39:44,480 --> 01:39:51,040
to solve this problem.
Um in the sewer fund, increasing

1047
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:59,199
intergovernmental services funds uh
273,000 to reflect partial payment to

1048
01:39:53,600 --> 01:40:03,199
Aberdine uh for 2025 services. Um, back
when we did the

1049
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:06,800
original budget, we didn't include any
payments to Aberdine because we didn't

1050
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:11,920
know what the payments were going to be
and what the um agreement was going to

1051
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:17,440
be.
Uh, lastly,

1052
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:22,400
amending the FTE schedule, uh, removing
the position of police clerk, and then

1053
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:27,600
adding the part-time city administrator
position. Um, again, back when we did

1054
01:40:25,119 --> 01:40:31,679
the 2026 budget, we kind of knew we
might be moving towards uh contracting

1055
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:37,679
over police services, but we did not
reflect that in the dollars budgeted.

1056
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:44,560
Um, [clears throat] net savings for 2026
are approximately $58,000 for the police

1057
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:48,719
department switch. Um, there were a
substantial amount, about $92,000 of

1058
01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:55,760
leave buyouts, insurance, and other
expenses incurred in 2026, which will go

1059
01:40:51,119 --> 01:41:01,440
away in 2027. So uh the total annualized
savings is about 150,000 from

1060
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:05,760
contracting the police department. Uh
part-time city administrator on an

1061
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:10,880
annualized basis will be approximately
75,000.

1062
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:15,119
Um that can be allocated across uh all
funds. So the utility funds can pick up

1063
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:20,360
a piece of that. Um [clears throat] cost
for the remainder of the year is

1064
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:20,360
$36,500.

1065
01:41:21,119 --> 01:41:25,679
Those are all the items included in the
in the budget amendment.

1066
01:41:24,159 --> 01:41:27,840
» Does that take care of the rest of the
building? Finally, that

1067
01:41:27,440 --> 01:41:30,320
» Yes.
>> Okay.

1068
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:34,560
» It takes care of the rest of the
building [clears throat] except for the

1069
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:39,679
interesting fact that the mill
>> is behind on property taxes now. And to

1070
01:41:37,119 --> 01:41:44,080
your point, Amy last time, it's other
others as well that are put on property

1071
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:48,239
taxes, but their property tax bill is so
substantial

1072
01:41:45,679 --> 01:41:52,320
» um that it's it has caused that fund to
go in the negative because when the city

1073
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:55,760
levies for the debt service payment,
their piece of the pie is so

1074
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:58,560
substantial. So
>> that's going to hang out there as an

1075
01:41:57,119 --> 01:42:02,400
issue until that's resolved,
>> right? What u what would we be able to

1076
01:42:00,719 --> 01:42:07,840
do with the remaining funds in the real
estate excise? Um so anything that's in

1077
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:11,440
the comp plan and and also complies with
state law regarding spending a real

1078
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:16,400
estate excise tax um you can spend on
that. So think parks, capital

1079
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:20,239
improvement, street projects, um a new
city hall if you want to [laughter] go

1080
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:24,639
that route
and just general administrative um and

1081
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:28,400
general government capital improvements
typically.

1082
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:32,480
» Save it for a rainy day.
>> Yeah, it's interesting. You cannot use

1083
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:35,440
it for uh police services. You can't use
it for EMS. You can't use it for

1084
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:42,520
anything like that. It's it's strictly
capital improvements.

1085
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:42,520
» We need some of those, too.

1086
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:50,080
» Okay.
So, moving on. Item eight, policy and

1087
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:56,639
procedure committee. Councilman Davis,
did you want to speak to that?

1088
01:42:52,400 --> 01:43:01,360
» Yeah. I'd asked to have the uh
policy and procedure committee brought

1089
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:07,440
up. I think it's necessary in talking
with u several other council members

1090
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:12,159
over the time. We've asked I've asked
for policies around things and we don't

1091
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:18,639
have written policies in a lot of cases
and even even the council meetings

1092
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:25,040
change from time to time as far as what
how we handle it, how how public comment

1093
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:32,320
periods are handled, who's addressed in
the uh [clears throat] how the how the

1094
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:38,320
public is recorded in the uh minutes uh
has gone from their name to a citizen.

1095
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:43,280
And it's really hard when you go back
and try to research something when it

1096
01:43:40,719 --> 01:43:50,400
just says a citizen said or a group of
citizens said made a comment and and if

1097
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:54,719
somebody really has the courage or has
the stamina to get in front of a council

1098
01:43:52,880 --> 01:44:00,000
and speak, I think respectfully their
name should be put in there. But those

1099
01:43:56,639 --> 01:44:04,080
are some of the items. um hours of city
hall, the use for this building, uh lots

1100
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:09,760
of different things that we really don't
have any policy, any written policy on

1101
01:44:07,440 --> 01:44:13,440
that we should have policies concerning.
I felt like it's a good there's probably

1102
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:17,360
10 or 15 things off the top that we've
talked about at the council that we

1103
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:20,480
don't have policies on. That was the
goal was try to put together a committee

1104
01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:25,920
that would actually address each of
those and bring those policy suggestions

1105
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:30,560
to the council to be fulfilled.
>> Okay. Thank you. Any comments?

1106
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:34,320
» Well, I think our ordinance specifically
says that the forming of account of a

1107
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:39,600
committee is at the discretion of the
mayor. So, it seems like it's a not a

1108
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:44,159
decision that we need to make. It seems
to be an administrative issue. So,

1109
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:48,639
that's what our ordinance states. So,
it's nothing that we really officially

1110
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:51,360
vote on to happen. You seems like
something you should be sitting down

1111
01:44:49,679 --> 01:44:56,560
with the administrator and the mayor if
you want to create a committee because

1112
01:44:53,440 --> 01:45:00,000
they're the ones who do that. which I
have. And so what I'm doing is I'm

1113
01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:05,920
asking the council [clears throat]
to work together

1114
01:45:02,239 --> 01:45:12,920
on creating helping the administration
understand the need for a policy

1115
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:12,920
committee.

1116
01:45:15,679 --> 01:45:27,199
» Got it. All right. Moving on. Um,
council member Wyn, would you like to

1117
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:32,000
speak to your street tree planting?
>> Sure. I'll try to keep it very brief,

1118
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:35,280
which is edging out my forte. [laughter]
>> Okay.

1119
01:45:32,719 --> 01:45:42,960
» You don't have to laugh that hard.
Um, you know, I I uh presented the

1120
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:49,360
ordinance a couple meetings ago and uh
invited any comments, concerns, and I

1121
01:45:46,159 --> 01:45:53,920
really did not get any uh feedback. I
did have a chance to meet with Bill

1122
01:45:51,679 --> 01:45:58,800
Cedor about it and we spoke about you
know any kind of lingering concerns that

1123
01:45:55,679 --> 01:46:03,520
he had. He uh overwhelmingly the
concerns are we plant trees what about

1124
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:07,440
the maintenance issues. So that is all,
you know, stuff that I've been mindful

1125
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:12,400
of for 3 years in drafting this
ordinance. And I feel very confident

1126
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:17,199
that, you know, whatever guidelines we
develop, they will be incredibly

1127
01:46:14,639 --> 01:46:22,320
sensitive to maintenance concerns and
actually will alleviate some of the um,

1128
01:46:20,719 --> 01:46:29,520
you know, other issues that the city
has. Um as we talk about storm water and

1129
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:36,560
trees is um you know a strategy that
many cities are using to combat storm

1130
01:46:32,639 --> 01:46:43,040
water runoff. Um but I'll just clarify
quickly that um you know this city

1131
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:50,560
street tree ordinance that we are um
going to be voting on I think at the the

1132
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:54,080
September meeting um is uh it's limited
to so first of all it only says that

1133
01:46:52,719 --> 01:46:59,040
we're going to develop a plan. It
doesn't contain the plan itself.

1134
01:46:56,453 --> 01:47:03,760
[clears throat] It simply uh establishes
that that's how we're going to uh

1135
01:47:01,199 --> 01:47:10,400
approve or [clears throat] not approve
planting trees um in certain areas in

1136
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:16,400
the city moving forward. Um it doesn't
apply to citizen-owned property that is

1137
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:20,639
managed by citizens. It doesn't really
apply to city- owned property that's

1138
01:47:18,239 --> 01:47:25,040
managed by the city. It is almost
exclusively addressing what are called

1139
01:47:23,119 --> 01:47:26,800
the parking strips or planting strips or
they're called different things

1140
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:31,040
depending on where you [clears throat]
are. But it's that very narrow strip

1141
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:34,239
between the sidewalk and the street. So
you pull up your car, park on the side

1142
01:47:32,719 --> 01:47:39,440
of the street [laughter] and you see a
bare strip of grass there between your

1143
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:45,040
car and the sidewalk. That is the area
that we're talking about. Many of those

1144
01:47:41,679 --> 01:47:49,840
are actually owned by the city, but it's
the citizens respons responsibility to

1145
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:53,600
maintain it. if you have if you own the
adjacent property. [clears throat] So,

1146
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:59,440
that's mainly what we're uh talking
about. It it gives citizens some right

1147
01:47:55,600 --> 01:48:06,239
to plant things on that city- owned
property um but with very, you know,

1148
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:10,800
kind of strict approvals to ensure that,
you know, it's it's handled um

1149
01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:14,239
responsibly and sustainably doesn't
create a burden on our infrastructure,

1150
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:21,040
our maintenance workers, [clears throat]
and a lot of other things. Um, so I I'll

1151
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:24,880
just sum up to say that I I think that,
you know, in talking with uh various

1152
01:48:23,199 --> 01:48:30,800
folks around the city over the past few
years, I I think everybody has been

1153
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:34,880
satisfied with the plans that we have
for ensuring that this is done

1154
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:39,760
responsibly and it doesn't become a
burden on the city. Um, the only thing

1155
01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:44,960
that materialized in my conversations
with Bill Cedor was he had some

1156
01:48:42,159 --> 01:48:51,040
enforcement concerns um, which I thought
were very um, very fair concerns about,

1157
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:55,280
you know, how would we if somebody
plants something inappropriate, how

1158
01:48:53,119 --> 01:48:59,600
would we know, how would we address it?
Um, and so we have a a pretty good idea,

1159
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:03,760
I think, of how we'll address that as
well. But all the details will be coming

1160
01:49:01,679 --> 01:49:07,920
in a later thing before the council.
This is just basically us agreeing we

1161
01:49:06,159 --> 01:49:13,600
will develop a plan that will be brought
before the council.

1162
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:20,239
» Okay. Thank you, Councilman Wyn. Um at
this time, public comments limited to

1163
01:49:17,119 --> 01:49:26,159
agenda items only. I will now open the
floor. Um you will have three minutes.

1164
01:49:23,119 --> 01:49:29,920
Please state your first name.
And

1165
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:36,480
are there any public comments at this
point?

1166
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:42,560
I I'm Mary.
Um I just want to make a comment on the

1167
01:49:39,199 --> 01:49:48,400
sale of the property next door and Steve
asked about for [snorts] what the money

1168
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:52,679
was earmarked for. Well, my lack of
recollection recogn

1169
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:59,520
um was at the meeting when it was
discussed that we needed to do that

1170
01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:06,960
because of the budget overreach for the
building and that type of thing that um

1171
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:11,600
it was talked about of that it should be
earmarked for

1172
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:16,560
paying on the overage of the building
which if it's paid off and it's fine

1173
01:50:14,159 --> 01:50:22,239
then that's one thing but that's what
was discussed. at the time that it would

1174
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:26,480
be used to pay towards the building
since it was part of the whole

1175
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:32,480
situation.
Okay.

1176
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:40,159
Any other comments at this time?
Okay. Hearing none, we are going to move

1177
01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:47,960
on to council action items. So we will
move on to item one to vote to approve

1178
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:47,960
resolution 2026-02-

1179
01:50:48,880 --> 01:51:01,520
EMS fee. Is there a motion to approve
resolution 2026-02

1180
01:50:56,880 --> 01:51:05,600
increasing the monthly EMS fee to 6750
per per account.

1181
01:51:04,639 --> 01:51:10,320
» So moved.
>> Is there a second?

1182
01:51:06,639 --> 01:51:13,360
» Second. Is there any discussion?
All those in favor say I.

1183
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:17,360
» I.
>> I.

1184
01:51:14,719 --> 01:51:21,159
» Any opposed?
The motion passes.

1185
01:51:21,440 --> 01:51:27,840
Item two, motion for council
consideration, boundary line adjustment

1186
01:51:26,159 --> 01:51:34,719
ratification.
Is there a motion to retroactively

1187
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:42,960
approve and ratify the boundary line
adjustment between parcel A and parcel B

1188
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:47,280
block 24?
>> I Councilman Skinner I move that the

1189
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:53,119
city council retroactively approve and
ratify the boundary line adjustment

1190
01:51:48,960 --> 01:52:00,719
between parcel A and parcel B block 24.
>> Councilman Spargo seconds.

1191
01:51:56,080 --> 01:52:05,360
» Okay. Is there any discussion?
Hearing none, all those in favor? I.

1192
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:09,920
» All those opposed.
>> The motion passes.

1193
01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:14,800
Item three, vote to approve the sale of
city property 1312

1194
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:23,199
First Street. Is there a motion to
approve the sale of city property at

1195
01:52:17,599 --> 01:52:26,199
1312 First Street? Um, tax parcel 0310
024001

1196
01:52:26,239 --> 01:52:33,360
00 to David Malik for 76,000.
>> Councilman Spargo moves to go forward on

1197
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:36,719
topic.
>> Is there a second?

1198
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:41,760
» Councilman Skinner second.
>> Is there any discussion?

1199
01:52:39,679 --> 01:52:43,599
Hearing none. All those in favor?
>> I

1200
01:52:42,159 --> 01:52:52,000
» I [clears throat]
motion passes. Item four, vote to

1201
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:57,440
approve ordinate 1406 to vacate alley
row. A motion to approve ordinance

1202
01:52:55,199 --> 01:53:03,280
number 1406
vacating the portion of the alley

1203
01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:09,920
rightway adjacent to lots 1 through 20
block 49 rural ns addition of petition

1204
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:16,000
by the cosmopoulos school district.
>> So moved. Council Spargo seconds.

1205
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:20,440
» Is there any discussion?
All those in favor?

1206
01:53:17,440 --> 01:53:20,440
» I.

1207
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:28,960
» Any opposed?
The motion passes. Item five, vote to

1208
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:33,920
approve the 2026 budget amendment
ordinance number 1405.

1209
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:42,000
Is there a motion to approve ordinance
number 1405 amending the 2026 budget

1210
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:48,560
adopted with ordinance number 1402?
Councilman Skinner makes a motion to

1211
01:53:44,159 --> 01:53:51,920
approve the 2026 budget amendment.
>> Council Garcia will second that. All

1212
01:53:50,719 --> 01:53:55,199
those in favor?
>> I I

1213
01:53:53,199 --> 01:54:00,400
» I
>> I'm sorry. Is there any discussion?

1214
01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:03,520
» Okay. All those in favor?
>> I.

1215
01:54:01,199 --> 01:54:09,280
» Any opposed?
>> The motion passes. Item six, vote to

1216
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:13,679
approve final storm water comprehensive
plan with HDR.

1217
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Um, is there a motion to approve the
final storm water comprehensive plan as

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presented by HDR incorporated?
>> Council Darcy will uh move that the

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final uh to approve the final storm
water comprehensive HDR.

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» Councilman Spargo seconds.
>> Any discussion?

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01:54:32,239 --> 01:54:40,719
All those in favor say I. I.
>> Any opposed?

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01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:45,760
Motion passes. At this time, public
comments for city business only. The

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floor is open to the general public for
comment. Please state your first name.

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01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:54,679
We ask that you be respectful and keep
your comments to three minutes.

1225
01:54:56,719 --> 01:55:03,679
Okay.
Hearing none. Moving on. Council

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comments.
the council member.

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01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:12,880
» I guess I'll start us off. Um, first I
want to apologize for not making it to

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01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:16,960
your presentation. Um, most of the
council knows and most of the the

1229
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:20,320
community knows. I'm a big part of uh
most of the community sports. If kids

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01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:24,320
play this play the sport, I normally
coach it or I'm participating. This time

1231
01:55:22,639 --> 01:55:29,324
of year is football season. It is
started. Bobcats are playing football

1232
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:33,040
over there at Steuart Field. I will be
[snorts] limited for the next two months

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01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:37,040
as budget season is started. I will be
doing my best to arrive for meetings,

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01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:41,520
but presentations may be difficult to
attend for the two meetings going

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01:55:39,040 --> 01:55:47,920
forward. Um, my apologies. I will try to
make myself as available as possible.

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01:55:44,639 --> 01:55:53,119
Second thing I do have to say, um, I'm
an open book. Um, the community members

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01:55:50,159 --> 01:55:57,360
and of this town, they elected me to
stand up and raise my hand when there's

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01:55:55,199 --> 01:56:00,880
questions or concerns. I've had citizens
stop me at the gas station. I've had

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01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:04,159
citizens come talk to me at the Hong
Kong restaurant while I'm having dinner

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01:56:02,239 --> 01:56:08,960
with my family. I've had people come to
my house. I live next door to the

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01:56:05,679 --> 01:56:13,920
school. I'm easy to access. If anyone
ever has a problem or the concern of the

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01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:18,159
things that I say or do as an elected
official of this community, please reach

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01:56:15,679 --> 01:56:23,920
out. I am happy to discuss anything that
I am saying, doing, or voting on. Um,

1244
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:27,840
fellow individuals at this table, please
also feel free to communicate to me. Um,

1245
01:56:26,239 --> 01:56:32,880
there was one individual that reached
out. They were concerned on what was

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01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:36,800
done last meeting and we spoke on it and
I feel that we left it in good terms and

1247
01:56:34,719 --> 01:56:43,119
she understood where I was coming from.
Um, so I am not out to make enemies. I'm

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01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:47,599
out to try to stand up for the community
and the citizens of Cosmopoulos as they

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01:56:45,119 --> 01:56:51,199
elected me to take this position. So
that is all I have to say. I appreciate

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01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:53,599
everyone that's came out and I
appreciate everyone sitting at this

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table.
>> Thank you. Okay.

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01:56:54,639 --> 01:57:02,560
» Any other comments from council?
>> In the spirit of uh apologizing, I don't

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01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:08,159
I don't know that apology is is strictly
necessary. Um you know, it has been

1254
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:15,679
noted to me uh by folks that um you
know, they would like to see me more in

1255
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:20,960
person and less on Zoom and um and I've
missed a few more meetings than I would

1256
01:57:18,239 --> 01:57:25,280
have liked to. Um, and I I just want to
acknowledge that and, you know, be very

1257
01:57:23,599 --> 01:57:29,199
transparent in that I' I've always
struggled with having the capacity to

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01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:33,199
serve on the council. I think in
general, all all of us who are stepping

1259
01:57:31,119 --> 01:57:38,639
into these public service roles, we have
a finite amount of capacity for them. We

1260
01:57:35,679 --> 01:57:44,159
can't all give as generously of our time
as the mayor does. Um, but, uh, you

1261
01:57:42,239 --> 01:57:50,719
know, I I do want to assure everybody
that I I really am doing my best. you

1262
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:57,119
know, I often feel that I'm not um able
to fulfill the the duties of this role

1263
01:57:53,760 --> 01:58:03,520
to the extent that I personally would
would like to see, but I I ran

1264
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:10,080
unopposed. Um so, [laughter]
I don't feel too bad about it either. Um

1265
01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:14,000
so, you know, uh and we've had we've had
a difficult time filling committee seats

1266
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:20,960
and and even just standing up committees
at times. I I think that we all um owe

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01:58:17,679 --> 01:58:26,000
each other grace when it comes to um you
know recognizing the the sacrifices that

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01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:28,320
our public servants are making. So I I
want to say thank you to you all as

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01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:33,599
well.
>> Thank you.

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01:58:31,199 --> 01:58:39,920
» I'd like to make a comment with uh with
attorney Chris Coker and John Martin. I

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01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:43,360
appreciate your endeavors and uh
for the for the information, the

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01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:48,719
returned phone calls, the returned
emails uh for a long time. You know, I

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01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:54,320
have I have questions and they go my
emails go unanswered at times, but you

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01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:58,800
both have been very uh forthright with
information. I appreciate that. It helps

1275
01:58:56,080 --> 01:59:03,280
a ton. Uh I appreciate each council
member and what they do. Some do more,

1276
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:08,080
they spend more time, they have more
opportunity. But there is five council

1277
01:59:05,679 --> 01:59:12,027
members at this table and so that
information should flow freely amongst

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01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:15,760
all five. And I appreciate John.
[clears throat] I appreciate you working

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01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:19,920
towards that. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Any other comments this

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01:59:17,599 --> 01:59:27,119
evening?
>> No, I'm quiet tonight.

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01:59:22,239 --> 01:59:29,679
» Okay. So, is there a motion to adjourn?
Councilman [clears throat] Spargo moves

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to adjourn meeting
>> and council virtually second that.

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01:59:31,599 --> 01:59:40,239
» With there being no other business for
the meeting, the meeting is adjourned at

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8:20. Thank you everyone.
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