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Testing 1, 2, 3, testing 1, 2, 3.

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Good Mayor, could I be where you're at?

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When I'm a nice if I was there.

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I was so full.

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Yeah. Well, it's hard to post a meeting notice on the beach.

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Usually, at least, you know, some palm trees are things.

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That's true.

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That's one of the reasons the beach is such a good place to be.

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Good evening, Mr. Bacher.

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Good evening. How was everyone doing?

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Good.

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you really have to ask us later, but so far so good. You've seen enough of these to

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know I know. Yeah, I've been around. Oh yeah. These video meetings have been an

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interesting change in my career for sure.

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I don't know about you, John, but this is the

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first time I've been able to wear like a sport coat or dress shirt, plus slippers.

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usually I never done that in the house and I didn't think I could pull it off. You probably

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could have pulled it off. I dare you when we get back into City Hall. I don't know

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how to get the confidence to honestly just don't know. We'll see.

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John, when you're going

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to check your email,

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I sent you something late and you have to know. I did check that. I responded

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just a little while I'm going to see the problem. I'll trust it. I will take care of that before the next meeting. Thank you.

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Thank you so much. I'll see you at the right time around.

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That

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doesn't sound good. No, I don't think surgeons like when you just grab it the way.

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Does it sound like much fun, either? Rotator cuff surgery.

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On your dominant arm or your other one.

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Fortunately on my left arm, that's from bearing the way to the world on my shoulders.

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Yeah, the rehab is where they get, yeah.

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That's what I heard.

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It gets me out of yard work for a few weeks though, so that's good.

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I think more than a few weeks.

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And let's miss this more talks to the rehab people and suggest your work.

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Can you give you double the gem idea, I think?

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Well, I wish you luck and.

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Oh, I think.

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for healing to you.

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Early it's not as invasive as it used to be.

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I can feel feel much harder down the road a bit

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once you get through this short-term rehab discomfort.

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Yeah, it's not typically hurting all the time,

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but every now and then I turn it wrong or I sleep on it wrong

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or wake me up in the middle of the night.

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Like, ow.

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Oh, it's not too bad.

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It's surgery's not too invasive.

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and perhaps the rehab and getting it and just rehabilitated, he would be so long.

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Maybe hopefully.

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Let's go with that.

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Yeah, I'm going with it.

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Paul had to actually have a whole shoulder replacement.

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So he's got my titanium parchment.

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Yeah, because he had a couple of those tried to fix surgeries that didn't fix.

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Does he set off the scanner at PSA?

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He has a thus far, but I assume that they will show up.

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I'm sure.

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I hope so.

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Otherwise, the scanner's aren't much good, huh?

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if Titanium is one of the mellows they check for.

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I don't know.

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You might have them honed in.

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You're for it.

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Can you?

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Hey, don't.

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There you go.

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No.

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what you mean is kind of the kind of offering a beat but the kind of way to do this I think

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I'll show up on the scan.

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This kind of was this process?

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Does anybody know what the process was?

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What is scanner?

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Is this what they look for density or how are they doing?

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Because I'd be surprised that you could define different levels that easily.

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Other than perhaps magnetism or density.

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That's a question for Google but probably not tonight.

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Well, I've got six o'clock, so I think we'll go ahead and start our meeting.

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Welcome to the joint meeting of the C,

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Petitucity Council and the Successor Agency to the former Petitucity Community Redevelopment Agency for Tuesday, January 22, 2021.

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You guys can hear me well.

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Ms. Burgers, if you were kind of give us a roll call.

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Council Member Harvey.

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Here, Council Member Sparks.

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You're Council Member Ford.

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Here.

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Vice Mayor Lamin.

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Here.

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Mayor More.

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Here.

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Thank you very much.

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And Mr. Obed, if you would kindly introduce our esteemed staff that are present here.

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Yes. Thank you, Mayor.

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So, obviously, let me tell you something else.

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You need a little bit of the manager.

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We have John Bocker, RIT attorney here tonight.

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We have Angela Porter, our director of Administrative Services.

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Craig Scott, our Director of Public Works and City Engineer. We have a bump-all,

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Paris, our senior planner, here tonight, and know how to serve as a

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community developer director. And we should also have my co-operator, please

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use here. Yeah, here's my fault. Thank you very much. And if you would kindly

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join me in the pledge relations.

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I pledge relations and to the Republic, which stands

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on nation, under God, in the visible, with liberty, and justice.

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Thank you.

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Now I would be looking for a motion to approve the minutes of the regular meeting

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June 8th, 2020.

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So moved.

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Second, we've got council number 4.

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Thank you.

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We have a motion of a second.

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Can we please have a roll of all?

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Council member Harvey.

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Yes.

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Council member Sparks.

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Yes.

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Council member Ford.

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Yes.

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Vice Mayor Lennon.

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Yes.

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Mayor More.

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Yes.

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Thank you very much.

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I will move on to announcements.

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Those that have not been to City Council meetings before, meeting orientation for new attendees and viewers,

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in conformance from the Br Act and the Outfit City Council rules,

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the meeting agenda includes items labeled as action items,

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where the City Council will consider the item and citizens are afforded the opportunity to black comment,

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relative to the item being discussed.

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The meeting agenda also includes a citizens business item,

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which is a designated place on your agenda where citizens have the right to say whenever they wish.

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The City Council may or may not choose to respond to comments as the government comes out.

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However, if the City Council declines to respond, it should not be perceived as giving

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credence to or agreeing with any statements at the City Council or its members,

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believe or incorrect, misinformed or purposefully advised.

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Measure as supports police services, a variety of recreation programs for all ages, and the maintenance of our streets,

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farce and public buildings, seek details on the web at kataicity.org.

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Citizen is interested in the receiving city of katai Community Alerts via Texture email,

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or encourage to sign up at nextwood.com or by texting your zip code to 888777.

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Like always, we don't have to hear from you, so please feel free to contact the city at 707-719-4600 or info at trottiscity.org.

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You have an on-emergency as you have the normal business hours you can contact us at 707-719-4600.

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And of course, if you have an emergency, please contact 911.

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Continue to our drop dates on the city's website and social media channels available on Facebook, Instagram, and the next door.

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Now we need, we have looking for an approval on the final agenda.

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Do we have any changes to that, Mr. Robyn?

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You may air no proposed to, you can just go ahead and have tonight.

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Thank you.

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Now we will move on to citizens' business.

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Miss Berger, if you would kindly facilitate.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Looking to our attendees tonight if you'd like to speak at public comment.

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Please use your race hand icon on your smart device.

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If you're dialing in, dial star 9.

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Ashley Kim will go ahead.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Awesome.

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Hi.

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Good evening.

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Everyone.

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My name is Ashley Kimball and I run north-bathiatrics along with my business partner Vanessa.

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Okay.

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She did a know.

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We've actually been partner with the city of Petite Parks and Rec department for about

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the last five or six years.

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We live in the mountain room.

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that's our crazy theater costumes that you walk by and I just wanted to let you know about

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something very exciting that's happening this spring. And that is we are beginning the first

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annual live theater at La Plaza Park. And it's something that I wanted to do last year actually

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want to put theater on any stage that I see no matter how smaller, interestingly shaped, and we

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We have a wonderful cast of 17 kids who will be performing an hour-long show.

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We just met last Monday, but we've completed the show today.

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The kids look fantastic in their costumes and we're ready to rock and roll and really get

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things kind of going here.

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This weekend, and so I just wanted to do two things tonight.

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I just wanted to first extend the invitation to you.

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You know, go pick up something at all numbers,

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come lay out on the grass, you know, crack a cold bun

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and come and join watch the kids performing.

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You know, I'm the great outdoors and live theater.

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And clearly me being very, very, very, very, I guess.

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We are a small female owned business

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and we've already given over $3,000 in scholarships

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just this year alone.

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And we are determined to never turn a child away

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due to financial reasons.

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And so we as is a fundraiser as well.

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And so I last but not least, I specifically just want to say thank you to Ashley Wilson and Damien Ovid for their continuous support of everything that I come to them for and everything that they have done to help me and especially the City Council and its employees and staff I am so grateful to be here.

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we're one of the few theater companies that is still left after this pandemic and I watched

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all of my colleagues everywhere lose their studios, their jobs, their livelihoods and I

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am still here and want to say thank you and how grateful I am to continue to be a part of the community.

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If it is possible, I do have a 17 second clip that I could show you. I don't know if it is,

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but if not, thank you so much and I appreciate your time listening.

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Thank you, Ms. Kimble. You can certainly forward that to our city manager for viewing

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down the road. Thank you so much. And such a wonderful service that you provide for the community

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and for the children. It's fantastic and I've heard nothing but good things about it. So thank

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you very much for doing that and I look forward to seeing you in the park. Thank you.

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I don't know if, well, at the end of the two business weekend, offer a comment by any other

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council members, if they like on that particular comment.

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Now, I just asked a question, what time I'm writing?

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630, 630, both times Friday.

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We will, we quote on quote, open the doors at 6 o'clock, that's and we'll kind of begin

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pre-show steps, but you're welcome any time.

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Great.

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Thanks.

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And I'm wondering if we can get it on a city website.

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I don't think it's there as an upcoming event.

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It'd be nice.

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And I thought it was actually they got it on the market.

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I saw that today and that was really exciting.

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So thank you very much.

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You're welcome.

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Thank you.

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And what's the term, break a leg?

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Yeah, well done.

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Very nice.

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Thank you very much everybody.

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Have a wonderful evening.

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Thank you.

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Mayor, I'm just going to check in with our attendees one more time before we close public comment on

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Citizens' Business and Public comment for consent calendar and that will end public comment.

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Thank you. So with that, we will move on to our consent calendar.

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We have two items on there. The optional city city white salaries schedule and

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I'm trying to employ your association and among you, a fool of all.

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I'd be happy to move approval Mr. Mayor.

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And I'd be happy to second that, Mrs. Councilmember Harvey.

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Thank you. So we have a motion and a second. Can we please have a welcome?

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Councilmember Harvey.

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Yes. Councilmember Sparks.

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Yes. Councilmember Ford.

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Yes. Vice Mayor Lamin.

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Yes.

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Mayor Moore.

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Yes, thank you very much.

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Do we have any drugs money in future agenda items from the council?

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Not seeing on it looks like we have enough on our plate right now.

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We'll get through that and then maybe go from there.

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Thank you.

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Now we'll move on to public hearings.

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We're going to public hearing.

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I am a 10A introduction of an ordinance to amend the land use code to allow for discretionary approval

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of residential cottage housing projects.

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Looks like this is going to be Mr. Harry's, our senior planner.

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Thank you very much.

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I was in the council.

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My name is Dr. Paul Harry's and I'm a senior planner with the city.

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Tonight we're back to talk about cottage housing.

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And April 27th, we had a pretty healthy discussion

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and based on the feedback that we heard from council

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as well as the public. We decided to make some changes to the ordinance and I'm going to discuss those tonight.

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Next slide please.

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I do want to give background for those that may be missed last week's presentation.

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This totagiles and ordinances being supported by SB2 planning.

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It was part of the 15 Bill Housing Package in 2017, which was in this planning grants, our end of the

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decimal states, housing shortage, and high housing costs. In September, or actually in June of that year, we

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July and then we were awarded 160,000 dollar grant in September of 2019, and that grant is really the cover of four things.

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One is the ADUJ awardments, which we adopted in February and March, and that was to be our awardments to be consistent with the state law.

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This second piece is the Cottage Housing Ordnance that we're doing discussed tonight, and then probably an August,

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he'll start to see the objective design guidelines, and then follow in that later in the year, the by-right multi-family housing,

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as another effort all supported by this grant. Next slide, please.

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So just some time one, this actually kind of started quite a while ago when we were discussing,

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well we're looking at projects, potential projects in the city, and we were looking at one project,

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which was kind of your standard subdivision like you see, well very much like what you see going in,

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over at a kissing ranch at $100,000,000 price in there, and the developer was concerned

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that their projects were going to result in very expensive homes in order for them to

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be pooped, and there is this talk and an interest in a different type of housing form.

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And it was kind of coin, kind of choosing, kind of choosing is the name that's been applied

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to a lot of people's, a lot of jurisdictions,

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efforts to increase density and have smaller homes,

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either on one lot or multiple lots.

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But it's an impact that it has a lot of different flavors.

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And they were interested and have kind of stayed with us

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as we develop this ordinance.

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So anyway, because there is this interest,

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We consolidated into the planning grant application that was in 2019 and then throughout 2020 we spent kind of developing the ordinance and that is researching other ordinance that is putting drafts together discussing those with architects and developers getting their feedback and then ultimately on December 7 we had our first public workshop with the planning commission.

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which were again, we received feedback and minutes and changes, and then February 1st we had a second workshop.

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And then ultimately we had a commission hearing on March 15th, where they recommended adoption of the ordinance piece,

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which is the Resolution of 2021 dashboard.

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And then we presented it to the City Council on April 27th,

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and then the City Council also asked for changes and so we are back tonight to discuss that.

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So that's kind of long-time line.

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You know, one of the, I guess, part of what it, one thing to point out is when these things started

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and this project started, a lot of the state model around me, you had not really been established

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and you know, just kind of the effort that we see coming out of the state.

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So it's been a challenge to adjusted this ordinance to respond to everything that's coming

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from the state kind of continuously, but that's that's the atmosphere that we're

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entering in.

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So, next slide, please.

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Our target has always been with most of these SB2, SB2, brain grid efforts and some of

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our planning efforts.

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are to turn it housing for the missing middle, missing middle are folks that are generally

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priced out of their typical low-density single-family dwelling neighborhoods, but they also

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make too much money to qualify for give-restricted affordable housing, so there need to be

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alternatives to single-family dwellings, the traditional single-ground family dwellings and

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that they really are. And so that's what these images had to show. As a matter of fact, all

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of the housing types that are shown here are permissible housing types within this cottage

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housing ordinance. So it's a little kind of housing ordinance that does allow for every one of these

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missing middle housing types that you see here.

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Next slide, fix.

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Our goals with the cottage housing

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have been to promote sustainable development with more smaller, a more efficient housing.

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I'd been diversified as city's housing stock by providing housing type that can be affordable,

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as well as response to changing household sizes.

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We want to increase our encourage and fill the development, and where we can and

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density provide a functional common open space that

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fosters a sense of community and openness within the developments.

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We wanted to provide private areas around that, which would create a diversity in

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landscape as well as foster a sense of a personal ownership in the development.

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We are interested in maintaining the character of existing residential neighborhoods

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and we wanted to develop an ordinance that was basically

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reflective of Catani's historic developments.

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A lot of Catani's historic developments that were done

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through PUD's planning tool that's no longer in our code.

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Next slide, please.

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Just general characteristics of college housing,

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they tend to be more compact well in units, up to 1500s

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feet and size. There's common open-space requirements. The units are required to be kind

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of cluster around that open-space. It's an usually involved shared amenities, both recreational

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and front-toe, with parking. There can be transitional private open-space. This is

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allow for the common area than a private area and then ultimately for porches and homes.

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Separation between units is typically reduced, so you can create these clusters of homes.

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And because the rooms are smaller, there's a density increase given to them.

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And also, because of all the environmental protection

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through the end of the common and the open space,

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we can increase density without creating an impact.

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Pedestrian pathways are worked throughout the developments.

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They would be gradual, of course, really perkin.

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It used to be incorporated.

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And really, the idea is that the foster strong sense

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of community between the neighbors within these developments.

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And then also that a, you know, cottage housing

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probably gives, puts a certain form of development

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in someone's head or design.

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But they can actually be very,

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you can have many different architectural styles

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can be involved. They don't have to be

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something like a country cottage necessarily.

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Okay, next slide please.

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And then just a couple of images.

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These are the ideal, the image of what

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what we would like to see with the College of Childson.

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So here are the people looking down through the common area.

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Next slide.

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And here's a collection of different images,

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showing the private spaces and the common spaces

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in the transition from common up to the housing.

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Next slide please.

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So, on packet change, 77 is a track change as version of the ordinance, so that you can see specifically what changes were made.

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And I will go through what the changes are.

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So first thing we get, we heard, I think, really loud and clear that the council did not feel

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that it would be appropriate to develop these right now in the RBL, which is the residential

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very low density zoning district. So we have eliminated RBL as a potential district,

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they would not be permissible in that district.

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We removed the use permits and then actually the next three kind of go together going down the left-hand side here.

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One is we removed the use permit requirement and really elevated the cottage housing development plan as kind of the entitlement piece.

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A couple of with that is there must be an increase in the density.

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An increase in the maximum density of the underlying district.

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And this would require discretionary city council approval of both that density increase

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and the college housing development plan.

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Essentially what the council is doing is you're giving a benefit to a person or a project

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sponsor, something above and beyond what is just available for them to know if they were

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if the college housing ordinance didn't exist.

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So, and that's going to help us later,

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we'll talk about how this will help us to control the development. Because, essentially,

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they don't, they don't have to go down this path of college housing. It does restrict the development

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to what is approved by the City Council, and if they wanted to make changes to that, that

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would change density or ADU Council, they would have to come back to the Council and have

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a new development plan approved.

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So that is where our time to try to control the development and say, hey, we're going to analyze

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it.

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We may even include the ABUs, or you may include ADUs in the beginning, the ADU rules match pretty much what state law is, so that there's no strange, you know, here's what I made you, can look like over here, which is what I made you, can look like here, there are, it's all the same, same law, same apply.

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But we're kind of saying, hey, we're going to look at it as one big package and you're going to get a development in our density increase as part of this package, which is completely discretionary for the City Council to award or not.

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Moving on, we illuminated the minimum unit size, so there is no minimum previously we'll set it at ABUs or excuse me.

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the college units must be 700 square feet, that's gone, and we reduce the maximum size

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that down to 1500 square feet. With the 100 square feet, not still allows for, you know,

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three or four bedroom homes and a variety of family sizes.

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We reduce the cluster size from 24 to 18 units.

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One of the recommendations was to make that lower, some suggests it's 12, but you know

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having looked at how this would work on larger parcels, it's just concerned if we force

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the cluster size too small that we really are not putting in more roadways in order to access

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various structures, clusters, then it's necessary. When you can do, you can have, you can

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design it for a larger cluster size. Also, we are encouraging this in our medium density

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and urban density areas, and we didn't want to accidentally force higher density areas to

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try to really cut through, you know, cut up their developments in order to meet that cluster

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size.

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So we're recommending 18 units.

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We reduce the building separation from eight feet to six feet.

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Previously, the ordinance allowed this reduction, but you had to kind of move it into the common open space.

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I think the council felt like that was a little bit over us, and you know, just go ahead and reduce the six feet.

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That's fine.

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We also heard some comments that there is a concern that you would kind of get an apartment

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building look in some cases because of the attached units.

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We address that by limiting the number of attached units to basically a four-point.

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You can do multiple four-point classes, but you can't do like an apartment building of 12 units,

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for example.

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And then the ABU provision to match the size limits by state law.

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This is what I mean about making sure that our ABU chapters consistent with the ABUs that you can build as part of this in terms of what they look like and where they can be placed.

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And I removed the statement I talked about the number of ABUs that may be allowed, because we're actually going back to looking at it.

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It seemed to suggest the possibility to get a whole lot more aid to use than actually state law

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allowed for in certain circumstances.

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So we just eliminated how what the numbers are and just talked about, that's a champion

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incorporated into development plan.

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And response to one of the comments we heard, we'll be able to...

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The requirement for approaches and private open space, but only in the end news only in district, that there's a valid comment made that, in those particular districts, we're dealing with, could be dealing with multi-family type structures, without the ability to have approaches, as well the private open space may become owners in those higher density districts.

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So, there in an end news, I mean, a focus really would be great if they cooperate, but the focus will be on having functional and usable

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cognitive mistakes.

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Post approval changes would, in density or even use would have to come back to the city council for the plan to be amended.

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And then we also heard comments about the EB charging and the comments about parking.

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And we didn't propose any changes as part of the coordinates.

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And in some cases we're hearing that there's too many EB charters or more than enough.

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And in other cases people want it more.

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And we heard the same thing apart.

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That, you know, in some cases people were concerned that we were providing enough parking.

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And others work concerned that we're over-parting the projects as the business proposed.

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And because you can't really apply part into ADUs, this is actually probably a safer route

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to just stay with what we have in terms of the two spaces put in unit.

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to what we use in the city and generally it works.

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That being said, I'm an advocate for less parking,

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but I still think we don't want these projects to create an impact

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on the neighborhoods where they might be built,

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and it's best that we're just going to keep the parking

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the standards to say.

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However, within the staff right up,

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And I put it on page 75 that was packed at.

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There is some suggested language if you did want us to adjust the EB charging.

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And the way this system would work, it's a little bit different.

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And it gets at making sure that the guests have access to charger.

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So 20% of all gas-based parking spaces would be wired up with natural chargers and made

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available for charging 50% would be kind of plumbed and ready to go.

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With the older occupied parking, or the owner designated parking, it's a little bit different.

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There are 100% would be wired and ready to go with a minimum of 220 volt for the app.

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So essentially, there'd be ready to go immediately to receive a charter, but it will just basically be on the owner to purchase the charter that works for that.

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And what they would have the infrastructure to support that.

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The emphasis here is making sure that the guests are have chargers available to them.

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And then there were just some pressure on the minor, really, just type of type errors, and not really covers the extensive exchange of the changes.

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And let's move to next slide, please.

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So, we are recommending that you introduce the ordinance, and then in the language code to allow for the development.

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and regulation to the discretionary approval of

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current housing projects.

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The draft ordinance is on page,

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packet page 155, that's the clean copy.

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And with that, I will be available for questions or comments in discussion.

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Thank you.

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Thank you Mr. Harris and thank you for the staff for

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changes to discipline the council. Now I'll open up to the council for any thoughts or

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questions.

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Council member, right?

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All right, JP. Thank you. Thank you for all your hard work on this. That was awesome.

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I do still have a couple of questions. So when we talk about having the ADUs and J

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they use in the plan that comes before us, and that it sounds like at a later date, someone

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could ask to modify and add an ADU. How is that controlled? Do we like place something

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on the deeds that restrict that? I mean, who manages that?

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We would not, we purposely avoided a deep restriction pathway just because of the, the, the, the, the, the problems that I can create with financing that deep restrictions would be.

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So we went out of the way to try to develop basically this development plan is the entitlement. It's kind of like for lack of a better example.

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It's kind of like when you approve a map for a subdivision.

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For example, that would be, you know, it just kind of shows here the development plan for a particular development that's being developed.

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And that's what you have to follow.

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So it's more like here's the document showing the development as opposed to a restriction,

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restricting the development.

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That's it.

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That it is a hope that it gets carried in.

463
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John, are you breaking it in?

464
00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:08,960
Yeah, I'm sorry, JP.

465
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,240
That's like it doesn't.

466
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,040
If I get this timing a little bit.

467
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:16,900
We talk about a fair amount about trying to address the problem you're raising.

468
00:51:17,420 --> 00:51:18,280
I can't remember Harvey.

469
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:25,860
And I think that at a certain point it was kind of through up our hands and said,

470
00:51:26,660 --> 00:51:29,220
you know, since these plans are discretionary,

471
00:51:29,220 --> 00:51:34,720
And we can't think of all the possible ADUs scenarios that might arise.

472
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,820
It's best to just leave that plan requirement discretionary.

473
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:46,180
At the time we're looking at that plan, we can identify all the opportunities for ADU and

474
00:51:46,180 --> 00:51:53,280
try to point those out and perhaps have that have to change their projects so it doesn't

475
00:51:55,620 --> 00:51:59,180
create ABU opportunities that would be problematic for the community.

476
00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:08,720
So we just decided it was best dealt with each individual project rather than trying to address that at the level of this particular legislation.

477
00:52:09,540 --> 00:52:10,880
Right. I get that.

478
00:52:11,220 --> 00:52:14,120
I get that and that's perfect.

479
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:43,540
But there's words in here talk about later interviews and I guess what I'm wondering or what I'm hoping is that, you know, if someone comes in and says, I want to build an ADU when one of these cottage developments, that staff or someone will say, well, this development was already approved as it stands and then what happens just does have to come back to the council or just

480
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:46,560
kind of a like a little clarity on that.

481
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:52,000
I understand the original one and that you would manage that and we'd approve it.

482
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:53,640
But...

483
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,000
Councilor Harvey is not a director.

484
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,120
So, you're right now someone comes in for an ADU and they go straight to building permits.

485
00:53:01,180 --> 00:53:03,660
So, in theory, you know, someone would not come to the counter and say,

486
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,360
hey, I should go to the ADU on my house.

487
00:53:05,540 --> 00:53:07,200
I'm in this cut, which I was in development.

488
00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:08,100
And we're going to say,

489
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:13,500
oh, well,

490
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:19,420
Council approval. And so, what we've been working with the Attorney's Office to respond to

491
00:53:19,420 --> 00:53:26,600
the Council's concerns, we've created a unique entitlement that essentially says, any future

492
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:31,040
changes need to go back to the city council. So we're going to have to think about, you know,

493
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:37,220
what are the fee structures for that? Do we want to, you know, maybe make it somewhat of a streamline

494
00:53:37,220 --> 00:53:42,380
Council review, because it may be they're not going to be a significant concern or maybe

495
00:53:42,380 --> 00:53:47,360
certain developments when the council approved them, they may even say, you know, we're

496
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:52,000
we're considered x amount of percentages of additional 80s into the future, all those things,

497
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:58,480
but the, the community government department would, but essentially identify these unique

498
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:03,580
development types. And if that request came in, we would flag that as needing council

499
00:54:03,580 --> 00:54:05,400
approval prior to being able to move forward.

500
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:11,320
That's what I wanted to hear. I just wanted to be sure that there was a process being put in

501
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:18,420
place because as you pointed out, other ADUs just simply come in and get basically counter

502
00:54:18,420 --> 00:54:25,720
approved and if we're going to go to this much trouble to approve a plan, I just wanted

503
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:26,980
to be sure we had that.

504
00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:36,160
My next question has to do, we eliminated the minimum size, but how does it work and again

505
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:46,100
is just part of the plan, if they come in and say that they want a primary structure to

506
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:55,020
be 100 square feet, yet an A view has to be a minimum of 700 square feet. How does that

507
00:54:55,020 --> 00:55:00,960
kind of work? So this always brought in that. So in that situation, an A view actually does

508
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,640
not have to be a minimum of 700 square feet. What we would do is essentially the smaller home

509
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,800
would be the ADU from our perspective.

510
00:55:09,220 --> 00:55:10,260
And that's always today.

511
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,320
So when somebody had a small 600-square-foot house

512
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,460
and they came in and said, hey, I want to build a

513
00:55:16,460 --> 00:55:17,980
1200-square-foot ADU, we would say,

514
00:55:18,020 --> 00:55:21,540
actually, no, that is the fall the rules of the zoning district

515
00:55:21,540 --> 00:55:24,980
and your existing smaller house will be your ADU.

516
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:29,460
Okay, I just wasn't sure it just seemed a little bit odd.

517
00:55:30,820 --> 00:55:34,040
Especially trying to marry it with the rules

518
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,100
that the state put down on in you.

519
00:55:36,980 --> 00:55:45,280
So my next question, are we are reducing the separation of the buildings from eight feet to six feet?

520
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:58,500
And when we do that, that leaves less than three feet worth of walkway from an 88 perspective,

521
00:55:58,500 --> 00:56:05,280
are there any requirements that people be able to go on the sides of their

522
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,160
out-homes?

523
00:56:12,410 --> 00:56:14,970
I can think of this one as well, so, um, excuse me, I agree.

524
00:56:16,070 --> 00:56:21,670
Yeah, ADA would not, would not apply to, first of all, there will be six feet in

525
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:25,990
between, but yes, if someone would ever fence to separate it, then that would be three

526
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:29,870
feet between the edge of the fence and the, and then they'd have a home, because it's

527
00:56:29,870 --> 00:56:35,230
listen to six feet, but there's no ADA requirement and supply to private property

528
00:56:35,230 --> 00:56:41,130
sideyards. Okay, good. I've got to thinking about it and if someone put a fence, I'm like,

529
00:56:41,310 --> 00:56:45,830
O.G, how would you get, you know, how would you possibly get down the side of your house? It doesn't

530
00:56:45,830 --> 00:56:46,610
leave very much.

531
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:56,730
I acknowledge the requirement for the porches and private spaces in the

532
00:56:57,870 --> 00:57:05,230
one of what was it? The most dense. Even a lot of our apartment building

533
00:57:05,230 --> 00:57:14,750
and things, at least have a portrait, a deck, or something. I mean, I guess without

534
00:57:15,590 --> 00:57:21,810
anything, it just seems like you don't even have space to put, you know, a couple

535
00:57:21,810 --> 00:57:27,990
chairs to sit out and you know meet with your neighbors and stuff. I've made even the homes

536
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:35,050
that we have in various spots along East Katai. I don't know what their terminology is

537
00:57:35,050 --> 00:57:41,290
called. Even they have a very small front porch such that you could you know sit out on your front

538
00:57:42,310 --> 00:57:45,510
So, can you help me with that a little bit?

539
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:51,700
Yeah, some cases they do have those.

540
00:57:51,980 --> 00:57:55,960
In many cases, in the NU or in district areas,

541
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:57,620
many don't have those.

542
00:57:58,620 --> 00:58:03,640
So, I will say that the ordinance doesn't just,

543
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,320
well, it does require an expert feet per unit,

544
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:08,400
I would say it's more,

545
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,820
it's actually more than triple.

546
00:58:11,820 --> 00:58:15,600
But whatever requirement is for a standard

547
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,360
engine type development building,

548
00:58:19,300 --> 00:58:21,860
which is 150 square feet per unit.

549
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,760
So, all it does is it allows you to move kind of where

550
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,580
that open space would be.

551
00:58:31,140 --> 00:58:33,480
Now, it doesn't prevent them.

552
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,560
But it's just a requirement.

553
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:39,480
But I think that the open space requirement that we do have

554
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:50,800
being, you know, 500 square feet versus 150, and allows for people to work with that space

555
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:55,120
differently than what they might do, and then you typical development.

556
00:58:56,380 --> 00:59:09,200
That said, you know, there's also flexibility within the ordinance, whether you really

557
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,400
Do it is just not an absolute requirement in those districts.

558
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,640
But we could highly encourage it, but we...

559
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:18,420
Sure. Do it.

560
00:59:18,820 --> 00:59:20,480
All right, that's fair enough.

561
00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:28,180
And then my last question had to do with the section about the common maintenance area.

562
00:59:29,300 --> 00:59:34,260
And it said that the cottage development shall be required to implement a mechanism,

563
00:59:35,220 --> 00:59:42,100
accessible to the approval authority to ensure that the care and maintenance is not like

564
00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:44,820
a HOA, it didn't say that, but is that what you're thinking?

565
00:59:45,420 --> 00:59:50,320
Yeah, that's exactly what we're thinking is something like an HOA or maintenance agreement.

566
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:56,940
We just need to be careful whenever you don't try it on, you know, real estate law, with respect

567
00:59:56,940 --> 00:59:59,960
to promote our associations and other...

568
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:19,240
We would just make sure that a part of our approval, we understood what that would be, or what that shared use agreement would be, and that it was adequate to support the development.

569
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:31,620
Correct, because we have seen which is coming up later in our packet, what happens with things like the landscaping and lighting districts that can't pay.

570
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:32,900
So, yeah.

571
01:00:33,660 --> 01:00:34,420
Thank you for that.

572
01:00:34,420 --> 01:00:35,820
Thank you for answering my questions.

573
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:39,120
Thank you.

574
01:00:39,740 --> 01:00:39,980
My name.

575
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:44,700
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

576
01:00:44,700 --> 01:00:50,740
Yeah, actually, just remember hard and kind of started for me some of the things and the

577
01:00:50,740 --> 01:00:54,660
one question I wanted to ask, I have some concerns about some of the things and the proposed

578
01:00:54,660 --> 01:01:00,720
orders, but there were more items that discussed later, but this one question for staff

579
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:06,540
I did have about a limited requirement for purchase and private open space in the annual area.

580
01:01:07,420 --> 01:01:12,260
Now, looking at the zoning map, I recognize the areas, I can see how few, and I know from

581
01:01:12,260 --> 01:01:19,880
live in here. How small they are, so I do recognize the need for this. At the same time,

582
01:01:20,460 --> 01:01:25,660
I have concerned about losing something that's pretty well-loved and rather common and

583
01:01:25,660 --> 01:01:30,520
frankly successful for the city-cutting in the last 20 years, so that most every neighborhood

584
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:37,320
we built no matter how small, no matter how pricey or how inexpensive, has had some sort

585
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:44,500
a small, covered fortune front for a sense of community and some sort of backyard space, even

586
01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:45,160
a bit small.

587
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:52,080
So, I guess the question I wanted to ask you is to hear is clearly I believe we're supposed

588
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:56,580
to encourage you to have a minimum of 400 square feet in the five-year-old space being

589
01:01:56,580 --> 01:01:58,300
providing a hydraulic unit.

590
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,080
Clearly, that's not going to fly.

591
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:05,580
I can accept that, but where's the sweet spot that we could say that we could either one

592
01:02:05,580 --> 01:02:15,620
allow a covered porch area or a private space. One of the other is a 50%

593
01:02:15,620 --> 01:02:21,600
as a 200 square feet is a 100 square feet per unit or ultimately to have

594
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:26,580
in one of those two. Could we add a little bit extra then to the private

595
01:02:26,580 --> 01:02:32,040
to the public open space, to the central open space area? Because I think

596
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:38,720
It's great to have a sense of community and have people be able to share a space, but I also

597
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:43,500
know people really want a space that's there, so it's more private sometimes to sit,

598
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:49,940
it's not inside all the time, and I'm really worried about just cutting that off completely.

599
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,260
But where's something in the middle that might work to do?

600
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:58,460
We'll tilt this work, we'll make this doable for the people who want to develop there, but

601
01:02:58,460 --> 01:03:03,600
will still provide some of these benefits for the people that ultimately have to live.

602
01:03:10,270 --> 01:03:18,190
I would, when I'm looking at the Indian districts, I think you should imagine two or three

603
01:03:18,190 --> 01:03:26,370
story multifamily type developments. So that would be the development type that will be

604
01:03:26,370 --> 01:03:30,670
developed in order for them to meet their density with environments.

605
01:03:30,670 --> 01:03:40,310
The story of the areas outside the downtown, we're talking about price selling, some pretty rural looking neighborhoods in some of those areas.

606
01:03:42,770 --> 01:03:49,770
That's a possibility that you could get an up with three stories in some of these M.U. in the M.U. area along.

607
01:03:49,770 --> 01:03:52,310
It's Katana where you see a lot of that.

608
01:03:52,670 --> 01:03:56,230
You already see the three stories with like village walk for example.

609
01:03:57,030 --> 01:04:01,730
And center or way has three story kind of kind of an in-development.

610
01:04:02,450 --> 01:04:05,270
But center or way is an example I think.

611
01:04:05,630 --> 01:04:08,210
Where perhaps there you might see this week's spot.

612
01:04:09,130 --> 01:04:11,390
Because we do have taller structures.

613
01:04:12,330 --> 01:04:17,690
And there is some sort of little porch or patio built in on the upper stories.

614
01:04:19,770 --> 01:04:21,830
You know, we can keep it in there.

615
01:04:22,010 --> 01:04:27,350
I was getting the impression that it was not going to work.

616
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:28,090
Entry.

617
01:04:28,130 --> 01:04:35,930
I don't remember discussing it, but I see the logic of what you're saying,

618
01:04:36,070 --> 01:04:38,230
and I wouldn't ask to go back just to the regular.

619
01:04:39,470 --> 01:04:41,730
Four hundred square feet of private local space,

620
01:04:41,970 --> 01:04:45,710
and addition to the requirement for the common open space.

621
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:48,930
But I'd like to see if we could carve out a small amount

622
01:04:49,870 --> 01:04:52,630
is that that's what I'm looking for for me.

623
01:04:52,970 --> 01:04:57,470
Yeah, we could require that everybody have at least a debt.

624
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:59,770
Because sometimes there's these outside, you know,

625
01:04:59,770 --> 01:05:02,590
like, debts and may not be the full covered porch

626
01:05:02,590 --> 01:05:04,310
that you're envisioning,

627
01:05:04,550 --> 01:05:07,390
but that could be, you know, outside debts.

628
01:05:08,350 --> 01:05:09,530
And what would that look like

629
01:05:09,530 --> 01:05:12,050
as in terms of square footage for roughly?

630
01:05:12,650 --> 01:05:14,650
I was just doing some math,

631
01:05:14,830 --> 01:05:17,150
and I was thinking, well, like, a six-pray

632
01:05:17,150 --> 01:05:25,150
back to scenes reasonable. So, you know, 42 square feet, I'm not, you know, 90 feet.

633
01:05:25,330 --> 01:05:27,750
I'm going down the fly here.

634
01:05:31,410 --> 01:05:36,590
48 square feet. You know, we could say something around there.

635
01:05:37,630 --> 01:05:39,290
That's where you get something.

636
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,440
That would get, we'll talk about it later with my colleagues

637
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:53,820
I think that 50 foot square foot call on is pretty small, and it keeps this within the best practices

638
01:05:53,820 --> 01:05:57,080
of what we've been building in Katati, which I think has been very successful.

639
01:05:57,980 --> 01:06:02,000
That's Kudos both to your work here, as well as our previous people working here.

640
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:03,600
So, thank you.

641
01:06:03,660 --> 01:06:04,580
That's very helpful.

642
01:06:04,780 --> 01:06:07,240
That's the only question I have for staff, thank you, Mr. Mayor.

643
01:06:09,570 --> 01:06:10,270
Thank you.

644
01:06:10,930 --> 01:06:12,130
Come to remember our response.

645
01:06:12,850 --> 01:06:19,990
Thank you. I also wanted to thank Mr. House from Mr. Harris for answering my numerous questions

646
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:24,270
for the meeting, but I do have a couple more that I thought I'd have to talk to you.

647
01:06:24,570 --> 01:06:34,310
So to follow on, Vice-Prayer Linden's comments, I was wondering about the neighborhood

648
01:06:34,310 --> 01:06:40,910
median zoning districts in terms of private open space. I was thinking about some potential

649
01:06:40,910 --> 01:06:47,150
infill sites that are within the neighborhood median zone and was wondering whether the 400s

650
01:06:47,150 --> 01:06:54,830
per foot of private open space requirement would preclude developers in that zone for being able

651
01:06:54,830 --> 01:07:03,150
to take advantage of the density bonus. Is there any concern that that amount of open space would be

652
01:07:03,150 --> 01:07:08,290
would just cover too much space and not allow the number of units to be built so that they

653
01:07:08,290 --> 01:07:09,590
otherwise could.

654
01:07:11,250 --> 01:07:13,010
That was one question.

655
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,280
Would you like to answer that right now?

656
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:18,460
Sure.

657
01:07:18,780 --> 01:07:20,260
I'm just wondering what you think about that?

658
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:20,900
Yeah.

659
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:23,820
It's a possibility.

660
01:07:24,420 --> 01:07:25,740
I don't think.

661
01:07:26,460 --> 01:07:29,580
I mean, because there are a couple different things that come into play that become

662
01:07:29,580 --> 01:07:30,760
living in factors.

663
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:35,920
One is the combination of the common and private open space.

664
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:41,520
You may by that may prevent you from getting

665
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,980
to high double density, for example,

666
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:45,160
a maximum density.

667
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,760
When I'm hearing more than the 500 and the 400 combined,

668
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:56,460
what I've heard is what's likely to be the bigger

669
01:07:56,460 --> 01:08:04,000
limiting factor is the land coverage of the underlying that comes that basically part of the

670
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:04,960
underlying zoning.

671
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:16,100
So, and there is a lot more coverage but still that's where we're here

672
01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:22,360
and people were running into limits and trying to maximize the amount of density in our projects

673
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:29,840
that they were hoping designed for us, it was the land coverage itself, not the actual ordinance

674
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,140
that was creating the problem.

675
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:38,780
And is it accurate to say that was true for specifically for the NM district?

676
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:45,700
We at that, we didn't apply to an NM district, but it only has just a slightly greater

677
01:08:45,700 --> 01:08:48,780
a lot, and then L district, for example.

678
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:58,140
So my guess is it would be the same, there it's going to be a land coverage issue, that's

679
01:08:58,140 --> 01:08:58,840
my guess.

680
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:06,680
But there's no question that between land coverage and the open space requirements, that in

681
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:10,460
some cases those are going to be limiting factors, you're not going to be able to get to the

682
01:09:10,460 --> 01:09:21,920
That's kind of built in, baked into the ordinance in order for these projects to remain compatible with the surrounding developments.

683
01:09:22,260 --> 01:09:25,400
We don't want them to be an island of density.

684
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:27,780
We want them to fit in.

685
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:33,580
And so in some cases, they're intended to not just, you know, be a blowout intensity.

686
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,740
But to actually have some limiting factors to them.

687
01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:43,720
That makes sense. I guess the reason I was thinking of the private open space in particular is that it

688
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:48,640
can make it difficult if you're building more than one story to get that 400 square feet. And

689
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:56,780
that's one way to build the density while complying with the coverage requirement. And so I'm wondering,

690
01:09:57,020 --> 01:10:01,860
I'll bring maybe I'll bring that up later just as something to consider. And then I had one more

691
01:10:01,860 --> 01:10:09,240
question which was about the electrical charging, I appreciate it what you had to say about

692
01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:15,520
the owners that have the units would be ready to go but it would be up to the owner to install

693
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:21,840
the charger. What would that look like in developments that are done as a rental property?

694
01:10:22,940 --> 01:10:30,260
With the owner of the rental property be required to install the units or what would that look like?

695
01:10:31,500 --> 01:10:38,840
Well, actually, the language refers to both owner and unit designated, so there it would be the same thing.

696
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:49,440
I think there were whatever owns the rental unit would kind of fall upon them to be the installer with that particular ordinance.

697
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,320
Or we can change the ratio.

698
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:54,340
and so in prior certain percentage?

699
01:10:54,820 --> 01:11:01,260
If there was a landlord that just didn't want to install the, they wouldn't have to, is that correct?

700
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:05,780
Thank you.

701
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:06,780
I have more comments.

702
01:11:06,980 --> 01:11:07,500
I'll say that the later.

703
01:11:08,460 --> 01:11:11,980
Sometimes often though, there's also programs where those chargers are not,

704
01:11:12,260 --> 01:11:13,780
that's not where they expenses.

705
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:15,800
They're often given away.

706
01:11:16,660 --> 01:11:21,340
You know, so I don't foresee that being,

707
01:11:21,340 --> 01:11:23,520
Well, you can always end up with that.

708
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:24,340
Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt.

709
01:11:24,340 --> 01:11:27,940
Well, I don't think it's going to be a problem.

710
01:11:28,500 --> 01:11:28,740
It's fine.

711
01:11:30,060 --> 01:11:36,280
And I would just add, you know, as the EB market becomes more mature,

712
01:11:36,460 --> 01:11:40,380
we are seeing just essentially all mounted plug, plug in units

713
01:11:40,380 --> 01:11:45,740
where the EB chart we can plug right into the dryer 40 amp plug.

714
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,520
So as long as it's wired and ready to go,

715
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:57,920
an individual who had a TV that was renting could purchase their charger and plug it into that space

716
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:59,440
to insert their vehicle.

717
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:01,180
Very good point.

718
01:12:04,660 --> 01:12:05,380
Thank you.

719
01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:06,300
Councilmember Ford.

720
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:13,320
Just a quick follow-up on that note, within the last couple of years, the state law has changed

721
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:20,300
and there are requirements that landlords approve 10-to-request to install EV charging stations.

722
01:12:20,300 --> 01:12:27,440
There are limits to that depends on having an assigned space for instance, so state law tries to address that issue.

723
01:12:33,470 --> 01:12:36,210
I don't see any other hands up from the Council.

724
01:12:37,930 --> 01:12:42,970
I have a lot of the same concerns that were voiced by both.

725
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:45,850
Vice Mayor Lamon and Council Member Harvey.

726
01:12:47,070 --> 01:12:49,110
When I bring back the Council, we could talk about that.

727
01:12:49,330 --> 01:12:52,950
Right now, I will open it up for public comment.

728
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:56,810
Mr. Rogers, if you would kindly facilitate that?

729
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:59,250
Yes, thank you, Mayor Mor, to our attendees tonight.

730
01:12:59,250 --> 01:13:02,730
Please use your race hand icon on your smart devices,

731
01:13:02,890 --> 01:13:05,290
otherwise dials are nine from your telephone.

732
01:13:11,050 --> 01:13:12,110
Hey, Sue Excuseman, go ahead.

733
01:13:18,610 --> 01:13:20,090
Hello, I'm Eric Goodfck and you.

734
01:13:20,490 --> 01:13:21,510
My name is Cecil Sposiboulos,

735
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:24,210
my with generation housing and nonprofit housing

736
01:13:24,210 --> 01:13:25,290
advocacy organization.

737
01:13:25,770 --> 01:13:27,770
We submitted our letter of support earlier.

738
01:13:28,770 --> 01:13:32,930
I really just want a couple of notes I wanted to mention this evening.

739
01:13:32,930 --> 01:13:36,570
And first, thank you to the Council for introducing this important ordinance.

740
01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:40,990
We'd like to thank the Plain of Commission and also for their countless hours in shaping

741
01:13:40,990 --> 01:13:41,790
this ordinance.

742
01:13:41,970 --> 01:13:46,850
And lastly, we'd also like to thank the staff for their tireless effort in shepherding this

743
01:13:46,850 --> 01:13:49,250
initiative and getting it to this point today.

744
01:13:49,450 --> 01:13:52,270
We're in strong support of tonight's Catech housing ordinance.

745
01:13:52,670 --> 01:13:57,650
As the staff presentation notes, the ordinance will go a long way towards offering smaller

746
01:13:57,650 --> 01:14:00,010
and more efficient and more affordable by design homes.

747
01:14:00,010 --> 01:14:03,990
and good tidying that will contribute, meaningfully, to diversify

748
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:08,150
in these cities, housing stock, excuse me, housing stock, and help

749
01:14:08,150 --> 01:14:09,550
better natural as it needs.

750
01:14:10,370 --> 01:14:12,810
We concur with the decision to eliminate the minimum

751
01:14:12,810 --> 01:14:16,050
square of the requirements and the decision to

752
01:14:16,050 --> 01:14:20,290
exempt rural variability was also reasonable when

753
01:14:20,850 --> 01:14:23,870
we encourage the city to continue pursuing opportunities

754
01:14:23,870 --> 01:14:26,190
like this in the future to facilitate additional

755
01:14:26,190 --> 01:14:27,550
missing middle housing policies.

756
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:35,670
And lastly, we just want to thank you for your leadership initiative in advancing this important policy to help alleviate our housing crisis.

757
01:14:36,210 --> 01:14:39,550
So with that, thank you, and you appreciate it.

758
01:14:40,750 --> 01:14:43,810
Thank you, Mr. Wisman, and thank you for your matter of support.

759
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:45,550
I'm all appreciate it.

760
01:14:48,820 --> 01:14:50,320
We are more that will end public comment.

761
01:14:52,530 --> 01:14:52,770
Yeah.

762
01:14:54,410 --> 01:14:56,630
Well, I will bring it back to you in the council.

763
01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:58,130
Council Member Ford.

764
01:15:01,780 --> 01:15:30,220
Thank you, Mayor Moore. I would like to add my thanks for all the staff work on this. They really addressed what we brought up last time. I really appreciate it. We did have quite a conversation. I at least, I said things that last meeting about the unworkability of the private outdoor space requirement in the end-use zoning area. So I appreciate that removal. I barely fall within Vice Mayor Landman's 20-year timeline being within 18 years ago when we felt

765
01:15:30,220 --> 01:15:35,120
this place. I had no private outdoor space and that was a decision we made as a group building

766
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:40,100
this place that we would rather put that outdoor space in common open space. I have lots of

767
01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:47,160
spaces where I can go sit with my neighbors and at times I do wish I had a private outdoor space

768
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:54,900
no doubt but I'm not sad that we put that land and common outdoor space instead. And that's for me,

769
01:15:55,180 --> 01:15:59,980
the fact that these developments are now discretionary and have to come to council for approval

770
01:16:00,220 --> 01:16:05,740
means we shouldn't make the ordinance more limiting than we have to.

771
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:12,640
I can envision a lot of types of developments where perhaps people aren't going to be able

772
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:21,100
to need the private outdoor space requirement that we might add back in and that would be a

773
01:16:21,100 --> 01:16:27,880
sad reason to kill a good project. So I would favor leaving the private outdoor space requirement

774
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:36,020
out of the end-use zone application, one other piece that doesn't make sense to me and

775
01:16:36,020 --> 01:16:41,740
then you've got introduced for this round of changes is the fourth box maximum in the end-use.

776
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:47,760
Even as senior planning planer Perry's pointed out, we're probably talking, we'll tell you

777
01:16:48,380 --> 01:16:54,700
that buildings which in order to get the density that we're talking about in the end-use.

778
01:16:54,700 --> 01:17:04,740
So, I would propose to be exempt and you district from that four units maximum for building.

779
01:17:05,700 --> 01:17:11,180
Again, these are discretionary, so these are issues that Council gets to look at at the time.

780
01:17:11,180 --> 01:17:14,160
Planning Commissioner and Council gets to look at at the time.

781
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:17,660
I think that will stop there. Thanks.

782
01:17:21,480 --> 01:17:23,500
Thank you, Ben. Council members March.

783
01:17:25,660 --> 01:17:31,960
So I just like to reiterate that I think it would be worth looking at reducing the private

784
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:40,180
open space in the NM district just to make it more feasible to construct four fluxes

785
01:17:40,180 --> 01:17:45,320
or two sort of buildings to maybe like a two sort of four flux in that zone where it might

786
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:51,200
just be prohibitively expensive to build a giant four hundred square foot deck on the second

787
01:17:51,200 --> 01:18:00,040
floor, so that was me thinking there. Then one other, we don't want to bring up was the parking

788
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:05,480
and I know that there were many different points of view expressed at our last discussion

789
01:18:05,480 --> 01:18:10,640
about the parking requirements. But it felt to me as though there was some openness towards

790
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:17,520
doing a little bit of a graded parking approach where if the units were very small that perhaps

791
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:24,460
would need the two spots plus the 15% guest parking. I was looking around at several different

792
01:18:24,460 --> 01:18:32,580
cottage housing ordinances in other cities and two spots across the board plus guest parking

793
01:18:32,580 --> 01:18:40,720
was way more than than what I was seeing in almost every other ordinance. Almost all of them that I

794
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:45,800
looked at had some kind of gradient where if the units are under a certain number of square feet

795
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:55,040
than they would require. I saw one spot. I saw 1.25, 1.5, 1.8, but it was really only found one place that

796
01:18:55,040 --> 01:19:02,280
required to carry unit at all the ones that I looked at. So having two plus the 15 percent, I think we're

797
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:08,460
just out of line with the norm that a lot of other cities have decided on. So I wondered if there would

798
01:19:08,460 --> 01:19:15,740
of openness among the colleagues to setting some sort of square foot limit where underneath

799
01:19:15,740 --> 01:19:21,520
that limit, we would maybe look at 1.5 spots. And the breakpoints that I was commonly

800
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:29,500
seeing were 700 square feet or 1,000 square feet. So I mean, personally, I think maybe requiring

801
01:19:29,500 --> 01:19:34,460
and one point five spots for units under 900 square feet

802
01:19:34,460 --> 01:19:36,300
or somewhere thereabouts,

803
01:19:36,860 --> 01:19:40,800
we'd put us more in line with the norms

804
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,500
that I've seen in other ordinances.

805
01:19:45,300 --> 01:19:48,940
And last thing I wanted to say was just that I am really,

806
01:19:48,940 --> 01:19:50,820
very supportive of the sort of men's,

807
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,080
I'm so excited that we're doing it.

808
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:57,560
I think that this is going to really encourage a lot of,

809
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:03,320
both new developments that create a real sense of community with the shared open space and

810
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:10,240
also in field developments and media replacement conversions that can provide some more affordable

811
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:16,680
by design housing with while fitting into our existing neighborhoods. So I will be very supportive

812
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:23,140
of projects that come before us in the future if they're, you know, in conformance with this

813
01:20:23,140 --> 01:20:26,440
I'm just so pleased to see this go for it.

814
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:27,140
Thank you.

815
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:28,420
Thank you.

816
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:29,320
It comes from a response.

817
01:20:29,500 --> 01:20:30,960
What's a replacement conversion?

818
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:36,300
Like, let's say there's a single family dwelling that's in pretty bad shape.

819
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:40,920
Or something like that that a new owner on the lot wants to get rid of it.

820
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:46,280
And a and replace it with a triplex or a duplex or something like that.

821
01:20:46,700 --> 01:20:49,700
Or I guess with this ordinance it would have to be a fourplex.

822
01:20:49,700 --> 01:20:55,100
with minimum 4 units, but if someone wanted to come in and get rid of what was there, or if there

823
01:20:55,100 --> 01:21:02,200
was a really large house on a single family lot, it could be converted internally into multiple units

824
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:06,960
and maybe having additional smaller structures added on the property. Something's a little

825
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:12,160
in those lines. The thing that's just so magical about that is if you have one, you know, if you have

826
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:18,960
ten houses, single family houses and you convert one of those houses to a four-plex somehow,

827
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:27,940
than you've increased your housing density in that neighborhood by 30 or 40%, 30%.

828
01:21:27,940 --> 01:21:30,620
Without really affecting the character of the neighborhood.

829
01:21:31,140 --> 01:21:34,800
So it's just a great way to help us meet our read-a-topics over time.

830
01:21:36,260 --> 01:21:37,680
Yeah, I think it's something like that.

831
01:21:38,060 --> 01:21:40,220
In my neighborhood, in a five-way to say,

832
01:21:40,460 --> 01:21:43,860
I'm just going to eliminate this house and go to four-plex here.

833
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:49,980
I don't know that I wouldn't have a bearing on the neighborhood of that.

834
01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:54,060
Look, if I might say mayor, I don't think it would be appropriate in your neighborhood

835
01:21:54,060 --> 01:21:58,520
with lots of much too small, but I could envision other neighborhoods with very large

836
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,080
or lots, or something like that might work really well.

837
01:22:04,670 --> 01:22:05,550
Thank you.

838
01:22:07,490 --> 01:22:08,130
Well,

839
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:17,570
this is an interesting discussion, and I think it's an important one.

840
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:22,810
I think it's a really important one where Katani goes.

841
01:22:24,030 --> 01:22:31,110
You know, the Katani House and concept, when I first heard it some years ago, was really

842
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:38,910
described more as a small, attractive and affordable way for limited-infilled and small

843
01:22:39,430 --> 01:22:40,810
irregular plots.

844
01:22:42,890 --> 01:22:46,090
And now it's kind of grown into something quite different, part of that is of course the

845
01:22:46,090 --> 01:22:51,070
state's continued push, their requirements of JDUs and AWS, which has vastly increased

846
01:22:51,070 --> 01:22:57,110
the density of what we originally are looking at, but I think it needs to a really crucial

847
01:22:57,110 --> 01:23:02,650
question for patating for this council to decide. Do you read support as a council

848
01:23:04,090 --> 01:23:10,770
maximizing density as much as possible throughout infant in this community and throughout the town?

849
01:23:12,730 --> 01:23:17,270
And other words, a large intensity for more units to provide more housing,

850
01:23:17,970 --> 01:23:24,730
or do we support not going that direction in keeping a small town feel and avoiding large increases

851
01:23:24,730 --> 01:23:29,410
and density. I love the way staff put it. It's large in pieces that would not fit in the

852
01:23:29,410 --> 01:23:35,110
neighborhoods that would be like blowouts and tension. And obviously there's some space in

853
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:42,090
between those two holes. But I will say I gently lean towards the large hole, especially out

854
01:23:42,090 --> 01:23:47,490
from listening to this discussion at the last month. And I support this because I think it's

855
01:23:47,490 --> 01:23:52,850
what the community wants. Now, I've spent weeks because of this, just randomly everyone

856
01:23:52,850 --> 01:23:59,190
I've been asking, just in general, their feelings and density, first of being able to provide more

857
01:23:59,190 --> 01:24:03,390
housing, and I was surprised at the answer to that.

858
01:24:04,750 --> 01:24:10,030
And I wasn't surprised that people would say, no, they'd like to have that small town feel.

859
01:24:10,290 --> 01:24:12,430
I mean, how many times have we heard that many years?

860
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:20,670
But the amount of, and the consistency of all age groups and all backgrounds, very clearly,

861
01:24:20,670 --> 01:24:26,670
But there was some openness to, when I described, for example, the original attempt for the

862
01:24:26,670 --> 01:24:27,570
college house in concert.

863
01:24:27,690 --> 01:24:28,770
People like that.

864
01:24:29,090 --> 01:24:32,410
I actually felt that people did mention Charles's feet billet, which is kind of something

865
01:24:32,410 --> 01:24:33,210
vaguely related.

866
01:24:33,790 --> 01:24:35,790
That's very attractive and very little.

867
01:24:37,710 --> 01:24:46,590
But they're working so I have four concerns related to what's been proposed in the

868
01:24:46,590 --> 01:24:52,130
packet, based on our discussion from last week that we really didn't get a chance to

869
01:24:52,130 --> 01:24:57,270
through. I'd like to put them forward to my colleagues. I'd like to support this tonight,

870
01:24:58,150 --> 01:25:03,990
but I would like to go in the direction it doesn't. Take the tauty away from the

871
01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:10,070
feeling of the decrant I had. So I have three remaining, and I'll mention the one again, and I

872
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:16,130
are both talking about it at the end of the illustrate. First of all, beginning on page 73,

873
01:25:16,990 --> 01:25:22,950
eliminating the minimum unit size. I was fine with the reduction of the

874
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:28,470
maximal size. I let just stay away at 4 and 1200 square feet and that was small

875
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:33,810
rooms but very jubles and nice place. But I'm not convinced that having house

876
01:25:33,810 --> 01:25:41,810
is smaller than 700 feet is a good idea. 600 500. Where does that stop?

877
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:46,110
You know

878
01:25:46,110 --> 01:25:54,910
oversized storage. I think if we go with aluminum size, developers with flies with density,

879
01:25:55,670 --> 01:26:04,170
expensive neighborhood quality of life, frankly. So I personally am more comfortable with the 700

880
01:26:04,170 --> 01:26:09,090
than we originally had. There's a little flexibility with me on that one, but I do think we should

881
01:26:09,090 --> 01:26:13,680
have a minimum number. And as we stated, this is going to be discretionary, so if there's a great

882
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:19,920
to be made sometime in the future to adjust that for an individual thing, we or whoever certainly

883
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:21,620
be able to do that.

884
01:26:24,020 --> 01:26:30,460
Going to the next page, I really appreciate staff listening and reducing that in maximum

885
01:26:30,460 --> 01:26:36,040
unit cluster size, which is 204 to 18, and I think the restrictions of just four connected

886
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:42,040
is very helpful, but I would prefer to go with existing what appears to be kind of a standard

887
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:48,940
or pretty normal practice in other communities of 12, and I say that simply because I saw

888
01:26:48,940 --> 01:26:54,580
when architects were turned loose to be drawn, based in our descriptions, the rules that we

889
01:26:54,580 --> 01:27:00,320
put together as potential ordinance, we got a few nice pictures, but most of them weren't pretty

890
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:05,680
like what we were shown tonight. We had some things that just looked like oversized the

891
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:11,640
and complexes. Some really dense, unpleasant neighborhoods that I don't think anybody in

892
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:17,600
Kentucky would be terribly happy with others in the developer programs. And I noticed

893
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:23,860
that we're doing this because of the concern of reducing excessive internal roadways that

894
01:27:23,860 --> 01:27:28,760
might have to be built for an ingredient research. But it's this is because we're trying to

895
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:34,580
avoid smaller clusters of larger parsers. But my point is if you have a larger parcel,

896
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:37,480
You can build a regular neighborhood in there.

897
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:41,300
You don't have to build a college, regular.

898
01:27:41,580 --> 01:27:43,780
If you have that much space, you might be building

899
01:27:43,780 --> 01:27:45,660
small, single-family homes as opposed

900
01:27:45,660 --> 01:27:48,620
of a college, college, and so I would prefer

901
01:27:48,620 --> 01:27:51,740
to see the council support that, and I would ask my college

902
01:27:51,740 --> 01:27:52,580
to support that.

903
01:27:54,860 --> 01:27:58,680
Likewise, reducing the building separation from 80 to 60.

904
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,560
Now I know we started at 12, and we've got reduced to 80,

905
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:04,480
and I felt eight was incredibly small.

906
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:11,260
To go to six, thinking that if anybody puts a fence up, there's three feet to your fence.

907
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:16,520
I can't think of more unpleasant and uncottage way to live.

908
01:28:18,440 --> 01:28:22,240
I could live, I personally would prefer a 12th, like the originally came out.

909
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:29,540
I could live with age, and I could even live with the ability to reduce that if need be to six.

910
01:28:29,540 --> 01:28:36,840
If that extra space was put back in a common open area, again, this was the original required.

911
01:28:37,900 --> 01:28:40,480
So that would be the direction I give to that.

912
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:42,460
Those are my main three.

913
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:48,680
As far as the question of open space and Coventy Court, just in the end-use zoning district.

914
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,880
I forgot to Mr. Ford put that forward for giving me.

915
01:28:52,740 --> 01:28:57,300
I'm certainly open to taking that potential 50 square foot, a small amount,

916
01:28:57,300 --> 01:29:02,620
giving them to have a private space of their own and putting it into the calm and open space.

917
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:07,640
But remember, there's a difference, fraud song, you write people agree to move in this,

918
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:13,200
that it was designed as a shared co-housing, something somewhere between apartments

919
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,420
or condoms together.

920
01:29:16,500 --> 01:29:19,420
Cock-housing as I understand, it's still supposed to be,

921
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:22,740
no, it's connected, it's supposed to be kind of your own living unit.

922
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,600
So I see a difference between the two, but are completely open.

923
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:31,720
If we can get the lectures increased extra in the common space there, then maybe we could

924
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:32,580
for go there.

925
01:29:33,100 --> 01:29:39,080
But I'm not comfortable just making them a lesser than everybody else space and if something

926
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:42,960
doesn't fit there because of those rules, then maybe it shouldn't be built, maybe it wouldn't

927
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:44,500
be a good project.

928
01:29:46,100 --> 01:29:49,780
So those are the things I'd like to ask my colleagues if they'd like to support that's what

929
01:29:49,780 --> 01:29:50,960
I'd be supporting tonight.

930
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:51,920
Oh, yeah.

931
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:52,600
Am I, honestly?

932
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,720
So many things coming up, we have a lot, so I'll be coming up.

933
01:29:57,140 --> 01:29:59,980
I think we need you, but I don't like the idea.

934
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:18,460
Reducing private open space in neighborhoods like Mr. Moore. Even if the locks are a little bigger than his neighborhood, I still don't think that's what the people who live in the society who want. If there's an open space that happens to be next to them, somebody takes down a house. There's no skeleton effect.

935
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:24,760
And also, you know, the house was small and epic, you know, the number of people living there.

936
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:29,520
There's open space to talk about reducing perhaps less parking them.

937
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:30,980
You know, I would shut it out entirely.

938
01:30:31,980 --> 01:30:35,440
But I'm not open to one point five parking space for unit.

939
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,300
I mean, that connotates that you're sharing parking with others.

940
01:30:38,380 --> 01:30:42,100
That means that you have a family that both work and can't work from home.

941
01:30:43,180 --> 01:30:46,360
You're not guaranteed having a space when you come back.

942
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:52,100
I can't see how that will work, so it opens a little discussion on that one, but that's

943
01:30:52,100 --> 01:31:04,500
my take of that. So thank you Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Thanks for all of the input. And thank you Ben

944
01:31:04,500 --> 01:31:12,820
for reminding me about the units that you have that have no open space.

945
01:31:16,100 --> 01:31:17,780
Most of the other units

946
01:31:17,780 --> 01:31:31,260
It's in a lot of the different places we have, at least have something, but I see what you're saying that some too, but that's really more of an apartment type thing.

947
01:31:31,480 --> 01:31:40,780
I guess what I would like the concept that we can encourage it.

948
01:31:40,780 --> 01:31:50,600
like the concept of if someone brings us this awesome, you know, development, that sort of

949
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:58,900
like your development has some units with open space and some without that give people a choice,

950
01:31:59,540 --> 01:32:07,440
that might make me feel a little bit better, but to take it completely away from all of them

951
01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:12,980
in a particular area, that concerns me a little bit.

952
01:32:13,300 --> 01:32:16,700
And I don't know, I guess where I'm getting hung up with

953
01:32:16,700 --> 01:32:21,500
is that the requirement, is it a requirement or not a requirement?

954
01:32:22,300 --> 01:32:26,800
And I see what you're saying by saying, make it required.

955
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:29,640
We might have issues with it.

956
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:34,500
And I just was wondering, there's another way for us to

957
01:32:34,500 --> 01:32:42,480
that such that it was, I don't know, strongly encouraged or recommended or, you know,

958
01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:49,260
some form where there might be a balance there depending upon what the project is.

959
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:55,680
So that's kind of how I feel about that open space. I'm willing to kind of like look at that.

960
01:32:55,680 --> 01:33:18,380
I'm still concerned about the parking, I heard the request to lower the parking, and I'm concerned about that in particular when we already thought I heard that we eliminated the parking requirement for the ADUs.

961
01:33:18,380 --> 01:33:25,920
So if now you're saying, well, the ADU doesn't have to have any parking and now the main unit,

962
01:33:26,580 --> 01:33:28,220
it's going to get reduced parking.

963
01:33:29,140 --> 01:33:31,300
I'm really concerned about parking.

964
01:33:32,440 --> 01:33:39,680
If you go up and down from East Cotate Avenue, where places are that don't have adequate parking,

965
01:33:40,180 --> 01:33:41,880
the people are parking on the street.

966
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:53,560
And, you know, even some of our other developments that we've done, whether there's a little bit of parking other than Santero, which we know has a problem.

967
01:33:54,220 --> 01:34:11,860
I think it comes down to, you know, finding that right balance, and I'm not really willing to go way down and end up with people coming to us, which they do on a regular basis, because Santero way has a really bad

968
01:34:11,860 --> 01:34:20,140
problem. And maybe, and I don't know that we can manage this, maybe, Jake year or no, I can't address this.

969
01:34:20,440 --> 01:34:28,880
I know when we were looking at doing the apartment complex on Centuror Way, they were going to have to give us a parking management plan.

970
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:34,940
I don't know whether we can have a college development giving us a parking management plan or not.

971
01:34:34,940 --> 01:34:41,680
You know, maybe that would make me, you know, feel better about that the parking is going to get covered.

972
01:34:43,740 --> 01:34:46,920
Let's see what else was brought up.

973
01:34:47,940 --> 01:34:54,240
I'm still a little concerned about reducing the space between the units.

974
01:34:55,960 --> 01:35:06,780
I like the concept of moving that space if we're going to lessen it to the open space.

975
01:35:06,780 --> 01:35:12,240
It's interesting because it depends who you talk to or who you listen to.

976
01:35:12,420 --> 01:35:16,760
There's a lot of concern with a lot of the housing that's being developed in my heart

977
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:18,520
because people are saying it's too close.

978
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:23,360
I can, you know, sit there and brush my teeth and watch my next or neighbor cooking.

979
01:35:23,900 --> 01:35:29,780
Some of that is designed in window facing which we're going to have to, I think, be a little bit more

980
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:39,660
cognizant of, but, you know, people don't necessarily want to be able to reach out their window and hold hands with their neighbor.

981
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:45,840
So I'm open to discussing that.

982
01:35:47,580 --> 01:35:48,420
The minimum,

983
01:35:52,340 --> 01:35:54,340
that one is a tough one.

984
01:35:54,340 --> 01:36:03,460
700 seems really very small and then really what are we looking at? Are we looking to

985
01:36:05,220 --> 01:36:15,880
more single occupants? 700 square feet is going to be a little more difficult to have, you know,

986
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:24,320
workforce housing for families. A 700 square feet, you won't even get two bedrooms, you may

987
01:36:24,340 --> 01:36:30,320
yet one bedroom, it may be a studio, but I just kind of, there's got to be kind of a balance

988
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:35,480
there. So, it was, that's kind of where I'm at at this point. I'm willing to discuss some

989
01:36:35,480 --> 01:36:37,340
of these things, but those are my thoughts.

990
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:43,080
Thank you. Don't you remember before? Thanks, Mayor Vort.

991
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:53,460
I'm a little frustrated that we continue to focus on impact as only measured by a number of units.

992
01:36:53,460 --> 01:37:01,600
And I still maintain that a single 3,000 square foot home has more impact than 3,700 foot

993
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:02,040
cotters.

994
01:37:03,740 --> 01:37:08,760
So I think we're stuck in a hundred years of finding language that's only about number

995
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:13,560
of the units, which has led us to bigger and bigger houses, like we talked about last

996
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:13,820
time.

997
01:37:13,900 --> 01:37:18,560
It's only in the last 20 years that a 1,500 square foot house could be considered small.

998
01:37:18,780 --> 01:37:22,700
That was a standard family home for a hundred years.

999
01:37:22,700 --> 01:37:50,000
So, the notion that impact is only a function of units as a problem for me, and I think the goal of the ordinance is to give people an option to propose a project that is more smaller units rather than only the current rate developers have to build their 2500 square foot homes with right up to the minimum setback requirements are.

1000
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,280
So you can watch your neighbor while you brush your teeth,

1001
01:37:53,020 --> 01:37:54,360
because that's all the pencils.

1002
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,120
They have to scrambling a unit on.

1003
01:37:58,120 --> 01:38:01,360
And that's, I think, leading to housing development

1004
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:02,720
that isn't serving our needs.

1005
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:07,840
It's certainly not serving that missing middle housing.

1006
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:16,120
So I think, yes, single person households are a population.

1007
01:38:16,140 --> 01:38:18,060
We need to be thinking about it.

1008
01:38:18,060 --> 01:38:23,160
And that's 700 is a huge studio, it's a very comfortable one bedroom.

1009
01:38:24,300 --> 01:38:31,120
Most of, I looked at the pictures that JPE used in the presentation and most of those cottages are less than 700 square feet.

1010
01:38:32,020 --> 01:38:35,640
So I really don't want to go back to a 700 square foot minimum.

1011
01:38:35,740 --> 01:38:43,840
That would actually put us most of those pretty pictures out of compliance with our ordinance.

1012
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:51,540
So, the ordinance is putting out through developers here's what we're interested in looking at.

1013
01:38:52,540 --> 01:38:59,280
So, and it's not, there's nothing in the ordinance that says we're absolutely going to approve one of these,

1014
01:38:59,660 --> 01:39:05,060
that it's still discretionary to approve the density increase that's required.

1015
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:13,820
So, making it more restrictive, and I'd be completely open to a 50-square-foot private output

1016
01:39:13,820 --> 01:39:18,440
requirements or something like that that we feel like we'll give people a little

1017
01:39:18,440 --> 01:39:24,380
transitional space or a request or a space to sit outside. It's fine. But every little

1018
01:39:24,380 --> 01:39:29,120
thing like that we do means we see if you are projects and it doesn't work to say

1019
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:32,700
what they could come and ask for a variance because at this staff level the staff just

1020
01:39:32,700 --> 01:39:37,720
tells them that doesn't need our requirement. So if we want to see the projects we need

1021
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:43,320
to leave the ordinance open so that people can bring this projects that we think might

1022
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:50,300
might work. So I'd be open to the 50 square foot outdoor private space requirement,

1023
01:39:50,300 --> 01:39:56,520
either as a private stew or a deck or some whatever they want to propose. As long as

1024
01:39:56,520 --> 01:40:01,840
it's clear that open space doesn't mean on the ground and the decks and Fortges count.

1025
01:40:02,540 --> 01:40:04,340
That was a question I should have asked earlier.

1026
01:40:06,060 --> 01:40:10,260
I would like to see parking requirements tiered by size.

1027
01:40:10,260 --> 01:40:15,660
So it really doesn't make partly because that would drive the cost per square foot way up

1028
01:40:15,660 --> 01:40:21,900
if we require the same parking for 600 square foot, one bedroom as we do for a 1500 square

1029
01:40:21,900 --> 01:40:27,320
foot, pre-bettling. So I'd love to see that tier if we could come up with something that works there.

1030
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:35,020
On the EV requirement, I would propose that we use the replacement languages in the staff report.

1031
01:40:35,020 --> 01:40:42,240
I think providing the conduit and capacity to add chargers is a lot smarter than requiring

1032
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:44,060
a developer's installed chargers.

1033
01:40:46,440 --> 01:40:50,840
So it is like getting the charger and installing it is the easy part of the job and there's

1034
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:55,540
no reason to do that when there's no electric car in it.

1035
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:55,900
Okay.

1036
01:40:57,260 --> 01:40:57,820
Through the near-cut.

1037
01:40:57,880 --> 01:40:59,400
I asked my colleague a quick question.

1038
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:01,880
Thank you.

1039
01:41:02,220 --> 01:41:02,460
Yeah.

1040
01:41:02,460 --> 01:41:09,240
I just want to ask quickly, so thank you for reminding me about the placement language I had read with you in that.

1041
01:41:09,480 --> 01:41:14,720
What I wanted to ask you about, I hear what you're saying about flexibility.

1042
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:17,820
There could be something attractive or the building.

1043
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:24,700
Again, I'm thinking of Charles K. Village, perhaps it's less than 700 square feet.

1044
01:41:25,480 --> 01:41:30,420
But if we were as a group to want to have some sort of at least state minimum,

1045
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:38,100
Even if it was open to being changed to council since we have full discussion, what would that look like to you?

1046
01:41:38,220 --> 01:41:50,200
If you were in a business where she kind of, what is your realistic idea of the smallest structure that we should support for a working family or a working couple?

1047
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:54,760
I'm not talking a studio for perhaps an individual, but I say a couple or a family.

1048
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:58,880
Where do you think that sweet spot is? Because that would be helpful for me to hear.

1049
01:42:05,060 --> 01:42:17,420
Well, if we want to restrict these to not being available to singles, then 700 square foot might be a reasonable minimum, but that's, I hope not something we're proposing to put in the ordinance.

1050
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:27,600
So, I think my, for instance, what went, when use case where I think this college housing

1051
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:33,600
would be attracted is for young professionals who want to be part of a community and

1052
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:36,900
more and more people are staying unmarried and uncomfortable later and later.

1053
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:47,020
And I think I want to provide places for them to live in our town that aren't just a, you

1054
01:42:47,020 --> 01:42:52,660
a anonymous department building so that requirements for common open space and for some community

1055
01:42:52,660 --> 01:42:59,220
of melodies I think I think we actually do want to serve single person households.

1056
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:05,660
Well okay if you're going to be checking on me then I'll say what do you think for single person?

1057
01:43:06,500 --> 01:43:11,460
What is the reasonable thing that you think would fit in our city look good, be nice, not be

1058
01:43:11,460 --> 01:43:17,720
glorified storage space. What is the number first of square footage? How low are we going?

1059
01:43:18,700 --> 01:43:19,760
And would you think is accepted?

1060
01:43:26,450 --> 01:43:30,850
Well, along the same lines of flexibility, I would be comfortable

1061
01:43:30,850 --> 01:43:37,850
with the staff proposal to not include a minimum unit size, but I would be comfortable with a four or

1062
01:43:37,850 --> 01:43:46,150
five hundred square foot minimum size of the ordinance, especially if we could add language that

1063
01:43:46,150 --> 01:43:50,250
It said that made clear what a couple of you have said

1064
01:43:50,250 --> 01:43:51,730
that they can always ask the council

1065
01:43:51,730 --> 01:43:53,130
if they want to go smaller.

1066
01:43:54,090 --> 01:43:55,710
So if the ordinance was explicit,

1067
01:43:56,330 --> 01:44:01,870
the minimum unit size is 500, unless variance granted

1068
01:44:01,870 --> 01:44:06,710
by council or something like that, then I know it's true,

1069
01:44:06,910 --> 01:44:09,730
whether it says or not that the council can grant that variance

1070
01:44:09,730 --> 01:44:14,250
I think it is anyway, but if it says it in the ordinance,

1071
01:44:14,250 --> 01:44:20,910
than it's tells a developer, you know, that's a possibility, you know, not what we, what

1072
01:44:20,910 --> 01:44:24,770
we, uh, were originally envisioning when we wrote the articles.

1073
01:44:26,450 --> 01:44:30,230
So, if, and then you may have hit on, and I wouldn't keep this back and forth going long

1074
01:44:30,230 --> 01:44:33,910
because we're taking time from others, but I think you did a really valuable thing, at least

1075
01:44:33,910 --> 01:44:35,990
for me, hopefully for everybody else.

1076
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:39,050
So with that, we're not that far apart in the number.

1077
01:44:39,270 --> 01:44:44,110
We were to pick a number somewhere in between those, but most importantly, to add language

1078
01:44:54,690 --> 01:44:56,250
They may wish to make it a little bigger.

1079
01:44:56,750 --> 01:44:59,390
That's often the counts of discretion in the quality of the project.

1080
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:12,940
If we were to, I think, frankly, not going to support it, I think it would be a good idea to have that explicitly in there. Obviously, we're putting a lot of work on future councils, but that's what they give a big bucks for. So I'm fine with that.

1081
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:28,100
So is that something that would be helpful to you if we have some numbers somewhere in there, but we had clarifying language that stated that it's not hard and fast, minimum, size, it's simply a guideline and there is some flexibility.

1082
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:34,920
Because I feel better than at least we'd have a guy close to start from when we wouldn't have some developer coming in.

1083
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:41,460
Yeah, I've got a bunch of 385 square foot things, and I've got to stack three deep miles wide.

1084
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:47,580
I know that sounds ridiculous, but that's the fear of something generally like to present against that.

1085
01:45:50,260 --> 01:45:54,580
Sorry, I'm here more can I answer that and I'm going to move on.

1086
01:45:54,700 --> 01:45:54,800
Okay.

1087
01:45:55,540 --> 01:45:56,740
Yeah, that would work for me.

1088
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:02,740
And I just want to point out that the 300's 75 is not outrageous.

1089
01:46:02,820 --> 01:46:06,340
If you read the counties caught a challenging ordinance.

1090
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:10,180
It was actually designed to support tiny house, tiny home villages,

1091
01:46:10,940 --> 01:46:13,300
which are much smaller than 3075 typically.

1092
01:46:13,300 --> 01:46:17,420
So, and they're very cute often too.

1093
01:46:18,020 --> 01:46:21,460
So, I don't think a track-activeness tracks too well

1094
01:46:21,460 --> 01:46:22,740
with unit size.

1095
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:28,820
But I would be fine with a number less than 700

1096
01:46:28,820 --> 01:46:34,120
that and also included some language about flexibility.

1097
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:36,880
Thank you.

1098
01:46:37,440 --> 01:46:38,460
Council member Sparks?

1099
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:40,200
Thank you.

1100
01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:55,680
First of all, I would be open to expanding that separation between the buildings back to eight feet and going with that original idea from last time of allowing that perhaps they shouldn't get down to six if they increase that open space.

1101
01:46:55,680 --> 01:47:05,840
open to that in terms of the minimum unit size, I want to, we've been focusing a lot on

1102
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:13,720
what constitutes a home that fits into the Katati character and I just want to

1103
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:25,300
re-center your thoughts for a moment on what people are living in now and what people

1104
01:47:25,300 --> 01:47:31,540
price that at 800 and 900 square foot unit would come out to would be out of their reach.

1105
01:47:32,480 --> 01:47:38,000
And so by reducing the square minimum square foot requirement, I think we would be providing

1106
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:42,360
an opportunity for homeownership to people who would otherwise be able to afford it.

1107
01:47:42,440 --> 01:47:47,060
And to be able to have someone come in and own their own market rate, causing unit in a

1108
01:47:47,060 --> 01:47:51,500
really nice neighborhood with a community feel to it would be an amazing positive thing.

1109
01:47:51,500 --> 01:47:56,420
And I was also thinking of maybe a young graduate,

1110
01:47:56,900 --> 01:47:58,960
just out of college, their first job.

1111
01:47:59,460 --> 01:48:02,260
They're just not going to be able to afford a larger unit,

1112
01:48:02,460 --> 01:48:06,240
but they might be able to afford something really nice.

1113
01:48:06,420 --> 01:48:09,660
That's the star size, especially if they're a single person.

1114
01:48:11,060 --> 01:48:14,680
So I just wanted to reframe it and think about this as an opportunity,

1115
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:17,880
an opportunity to provide really nice quality housing that's

1116
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:20,360
within a price point that people can afford in that.

1117
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:25,100
And that's something that a huge benefit that we get by making the unit size smaller.

1118
01:48:26,460 --> 01:48:31,460
I would be supportive of the 500 square feet minimum with that language.

1119
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:35,760
I think that would achieve most of what I'm looking for as your chief.

1120
01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:41,280
And just going back to the parking one more time.

1121
01:48:43,850 --> 01:48:50,150
Here's something that maybe how it considers is that we can use a parking limit

1122
01:48:50,150 --> 01:48:58,290
as an opportunity for us to incentivize structures that a size point that we want.

1123
01:48:58,630 --> 01:49:09,630
So for example, if we wanted to make more single person friendly units at like a 600 or 700 square foot level,

1124
01:49:10,030 --> 01:49:19,850
then we could use that parking requirement being a little bit lower to help developers make that pencil out better if they were to build that smaller.

1125
01:49:19,850 --> 01:49:24,490
smaller unit and I think the building smaller units. I don't think they're going to be glorified

1126
01:49:24,490 --> 01:49:31,170
Sheds. I think I did pre-phrase what my colleague said. Councilman reports that is good things

1127
01:49:31,170 --> 01:49:39,770
come in small packages. We can have really nice units that are just a smaller size and it doesn't

1128
01:49:39,770 --> 01:49:48,310
have to be 1.5. I did see other ordinances that went with 1.8 or 1.6. These decibel numbers that

1129
01:49:48,310 --> 01:49:50,430
when you average it out, it all works out nicely.

1130
01:49:51,530 --> 01:49:54,850
So I would urge my colleagues to consider it just to put us

1131
01:49:54,850 --> 01:49:57,850
because 2 plus 15% is really way out of line

1132
01:49:57,850 --> 01:49:59,690
with what a lot of other communities have done.

1133
01:50:00,170 --> 01:50:02,610
And I'm wondering what makes us a different

1134
01:50:02,610 --> 01:50:04,070
that we need so much more parking

1135
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:05,950
for these really small, smaller units.

1136
01:50:06,490 --> 01:50:09,810
So I would say what if we went with under 700 square feet,

1137
01:50:10,130 --> 01:50:14,350
it's 1.8 parking units or 1.6.

1138
01:50:14,510 --> 01:50:17,310
I mean, if that parking requirement makes the difference,

1139
01:50:17,310 --> 01:50:20,170
for just one development being able to pencil out of it.

1140
01:50:20,350 --> 01:50:22,510
I think it would be worth it to provide more housing.

1141
01:50:24,070 --> 01:50:25,070
Thank you.

1142
01:50:25,710 --> 01:50:26,330
Thank you.

1143
01:50:26,530 --> 01:50:32,130
Councilmember Harvey, and then I think we're going to come to some sort of a check-off on

1144
01:50:32,130 --> 01:50:33,440
where our conclusions might be.

1145
01:50:34,330 --> 01:50:35,150
I think so.

1146
01:50:36,110 --> 01:50:42,490
So I can live with the 500 as a minimum.

1147
01:50:42,950 --> 01:50:47,110
I like the words that it's explicit in the ordinance.

1148
01:50:47,110 --> 01:50:54,930
that says a variance may be able to be asked, because then as Council Member Ford pointed

1149
01:50:54,930 --> 01:51:01,930
out, the staff necessarily get in their thought process, here's the rule.

1150
01:51:02,330 --> 01:51:07,910
This is all I can, you know, bring forward nothing if it's explicitly stated in there.

1151
01:51:08,310 --> 01:51:16,330
It will at least get the conversation going that says I can ask for something different than

1152
01:51:16,330 --> 01:51:19,030
that rather than a black, I might yes or no.

1153
01:51:19,790 --> 01:51:21,750
So I like the 500,

1154
01:51:25,190 --> 01:51:29,470
Laura, could you tell me again?

1155
01:51:29,550 --> 01:51:31,890
Because I was trying to write it down,

1156
01:51:32,290 --> 01:51:37,130
what you're suggesting for a 500 square foot unit for parking?

1157
01:51:39,170 --> 01:51:42,950
Well, I would suggest at one point five pieces

1158
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:51,110
for units under somewhere around 700 or 800 square feet, but I would be happy to support

1159
01:51:51,110 --> 01:51:58,810
some other number. Maybe could split the difference, 1.75, spots or something like that?

1160
01:52:01,510 --> 01:52:05,870
Yeah, I could probably live with that and you ask what makes catties of different?

1161
01:52:10,590 --> 01:52:14,690
What makes catties

1162
01:52:14,690 --> 01:52:23,730
happening is we get lots of college students piled into these units, each coming with a car.

1163
01:52:24,650 --> 01:52:30,130
And that's right, rather otherwise, I don't know why it happens, we could, you know, I've had enough

1164
01:52:30,130 --> 01:52:35,610
discussions with different developers saying, well, yeah, but, you know, they'll, they'll

1165
01:52:35,610 --> 01:52:40,650
not bring a car, well, they do, and that's just, you know, we just kind of have to accept

1166
01:52:40,650 --> 01:52:41,090
that.

1167
01:52:41,090 --> 01:52:50,210
So what I'm trying to react to is we are a college town, a lot of these homes, no matter

1168
01:52:50,210 --> 01:52:56,190
what size they are, be they single family homes or condominiums on a center or way or

1169
01:52:56,190 --> 01:53:03,890
wherever they seem to be bought up by people that invest and rent them out and we get college

1170
01:53:03,890 --> 01:53:04,970
students in them.

1171
01:53:05,190 --> 01:53:07,470
Students need housing, I get that.

1172
01:53:07,470 --> 01:53:12,270
So I just want to, I don't want to cause a bigger problem

1173
01:53:12,270 --> 01:53:13,590
for any more neighborhoods.

1174
01:53:14,650 --> 01:53:20,670
So I think I can live with the tearing based upon size,

1175
01:53:21,390 --> 01:53:24,550
because knowing like if we had a unit that was going to have

1176
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:27,850
two bedrooms, we are likely to have four students.

1177
01:53:29,050 --> 01:53:30,430
And four students are going to bring,

1178
01:53:30,570 --> 01:53:33,410
and that's what we've seen in Santerra.

1179
01:53:33,410 --> 01:53:39,210
And for whatever reason that is beyond me, none of them ever use

1180
01:53:39,210 --> 01:53:42,290
grashes if you even provide them.

1181
01:53:42,410 --> 01:53:43,390
They don't use them.

1182
01:53:44,010 --> 01:53:49,410
So I'm open to the tearing, but I want to make sure that we cover, you know,

1183
01:53:50,550 --> 01:53:53,430
our reality, which is a little bit different.

1184
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:58,030
I like the concept and thank you very much.

1185
01:53:58,630 --> 01:54:05,030
Council Member Ford for offering to have at least a little bit of private space.

1186
01:54:05,590 --> 01:54:13,530
I think I can live somewhere in that in the 50's square, but range, I think, that that would

1187
01:54:13,530 --> 01:54:20,030
give that ability for people to kind of sit in their own area and maybe have some plants,

1188
01:54:20,750 --> 01:54:28,010
maybe I've seen people with their dogs put up a little gate and let their dogs be in their

1189
01:54:30,350 --> 01:54:39,030
Thank you for offering to Council Member Sparks to change back to ACFee with putting, you know,

1190
01:54:39,130 --> 01:54:45,130
if they want six, you know, agreeing that that has to go back and it's into open space.

1191
01:54:46,730 --> 01:54:47,650
And did I miss it?

1192
01:54:47,650 --> 01:54:48,610
Yes, we discussed.

1193
01:54:49,250 --> 01:54:50,410
I don't know.

1194
01:54:50,750 --> 01:54:52,950
But that's what I know for right now.

1195
01:54:53,690 --> 01:54:55,410
Thank you so much, Mr. Mayor.

1196
01:54:55,930 --> 01:54:57,050
Thank you.

1197
01:54:59,370 --> 01:55:08,650
I'll try to make this quick, because I did use some time to get some useful back at the court, but then you've got a famous last story, right?

1198
01:55:09,790 --> 01:55:13,050
So I think we're kind of getting to a better space in this.

1199
01:55:16,830 --> 01:55:27,450
I want to understand, so if we worry with riddle and minimum size of 500, and I'm hearing that emerge, it's clearly that's lower than, I think, 700's awful small,

1200
01:55:27,450 --> 01:55:29,710
But hey, we're all being flexible in various issues,

1201
01:55:29,710 --> 01:55:31,810
so I'm certainly only being flexible in that.

1202
01:55:32,350 --> 01:55:33,910
Could I just ask for confirmation?

1203
01:55:34,870 --> 01:55:36,890
Is that with parking with that?

1204
01:55:36,890 --> 01:55:40,330
Are we talking 1.75 for the smaller houses?

1205
01:55:40,630 --> 01:55:43,310
Or is that for all of our college units?

1206
01:55:43,910 --> 01:55:49,530
I can see for 600 or below, perhaps going the 1.75,

1207
01:55:49,730 --> 01:55:51,190
although I agree with my colleagues

1208
01:55:51,190 --> 01:55:54,390
in the voice of experience, we've been down this road

1209
01:55:54,390 --> 01:55:55,450
and we've been burned once.

1210
01:55:55,610 --> 01:55:56,910
I don't really want to go there.

1211
01:55:56,910 --> 01:56:04,290
But if we can meet in the middle, I would agree to do that, so I'd like quickly to get an answer to that, and then I just have one last thing to bring up.

1212
01:56:07,020 --> 01:56:11,740
Are you looking to see if there's a consensus on that great parking allowance?

1213
01:56:12,160 --> 01:56:17,660
Yeah, I believe the council member sparks and council member charges were talking about meaning of something.

1214
01:56:17,860 --> 01:56:23,600
I heard 1.75 parking spaces, and I try to get a sense, is this for a certain size or smaller?

1215
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:32,800
That was like 500 square feet. We would do 1.75. I don't know where you jump up to the next tier.

1216
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:36,600
We didn't really come to anything on that.

1217
01:56:37,340 --> 01:56:39,540
What about at the original 700 maybe?

1218
01:56:40,860 --> 01:56:41,160
Yeah.

1219
01:56:41,780 --> 01:56:42,840
But I think that's fine.

1220
01:56:43,220 --> 01:56:45,740
So I think we've agreed to almost everything.

1221
01:56:46,180 --> 01:56:48,920
The only thing that was left was maximum cluster size.

1222
01:56:49,340 --> 01:56:52,280
And I would like to go back to the original standard of 12.

1223
01:56:52,280 --> 01:56:58,240
I think dealing with issue of roads is probably doable, and if it's truly a huge, huge, huge

1224
01:56:58,240 --> 01:57:02,100
water, it's probably better for developing in a more standard neighborhood.

1225
01:57:02,840 --> 01:57:08,320
College units, versatility will be smart, info that takes waste of space in terms of

1226
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:10,060
into a track and affordable housing.

1227
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:14,780
If I just want to say, I don't think necessarily a small house would be an attractive.

1228
01:57:15,460 --> 01:57:19,100
I've been supporting this concept since I first heard about it.

1229
01:57:19,100 --> 01:57:26,080
The concerns I had with some of the directions, the state has pushed us in with the requirements for JDU and ADU,

1230
01:57:26,460 --> 01:57:33,020
and then some of the standards that we discussed potentially trimming back, that we would have that dreaded well out in density.

1231
01:57:33,400 --> 01:57:36,900
And that is why I think is an attractive and unwanted to talk.

1232
01:57:37,400 --> 01:57:41,880
But I appreciate the welcomeness to try and meet in the middle and prevent that.

1233
01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:51,380
So, if we can add the maximum clustering unit, standard of 12 to this, I could support it personally as a practice all the time, kind of way in here with the mayor status too.

1234
01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:52,720
So, thank you for the time.

1235
01:57:53,340 --> 01:57:54,120
Thank you.

1236
01:57:54,220 --> 01:57:55,220
Don't you remember for me?

1237
01:57:55,480 --> 01:57:56,880
Just a quick follow-up from that.

1238
01:57:58,160 --> 01:58:04,020
Vice Mayor Landon would do accept the similar flexibility language in the maximum cluster size.

1239
01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:08,840
If we take it to 12 and say an extraordinary circumstance as a council member.

1240
01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:13,300
Yeah, I think that would be fine to have that in there.

1241
01:58:13,300 --> 01:58:14,500
It's implicit first of all.

1242
01:58:14,720 --> 01:58:17,960
I didn't find it to the argument that people won't kind of try to talk

1243
01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:20,820
about what's going to do with it because my experience for years is they will.

1244
01:58:21,240 --> 01:58:25,740
And my concern is when you make it too easy to bring us something that is a

1245
01:58:25,740 --> 01:58:29,000
project that's hopefully motivated by just bringing the greatest common

1246
01:58:29,700 --> 01:58:31,100
profit to the developer.

1247
01:58:32,160 --> 01:58:33,180
We won't get something good.

1248
01:58:33,260 --> 01:58:34,800
So that's why I want some structure to it.

1249
01:58:34,820 --> 01:58:36,400
But I'd have to be happy to go there.

1250
01:58:36,660 --> 01:58:36,860
Yes.

1251
01:58:37,620 --> 01:58:38,020
Thanks.

1252
01:58:39,460 --> 01:58:45,800
So based on the input that I'm hearing and I've got a couple of concerns, most of them had been addressed.

1253
01:58:46,920 --> 01:58:49,720
I'm not keen on being flexible on the working.

1254
01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:52,100
I lived on Kingston.

1255
01:58:54,160 --> 01:59:01,920
Three bedroom two bath, 800 and 40 square feet unit with five of us, and we had one working space.

1256
01:59:03,680 --> 01:59:05,780
Well, that was very difficult.

1257
01:59:06,180 --> 01:59:09,900
And then when my spouse or if I came in a different hour,

1258
01:59:10,260 --> 01:59:16,000
I had to be several meters away from the home.

1259
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:18,100
And again, we're in college time.

1260
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:19,480
So you know they're going to be rented out.

1261
01:59:19,620 --> 01:59:21,580
Because when I moved someone out of the person

1262
01:59:21,580 --> 01:59:24,960
that bought it specifically, bought it to rent it to college students.

1263
01:59:25,260 --> 01:59:27,760
So you got a free bedroom, one parking space.

1264
01:59:28,220 --> 01:59:29,820
Who knows how many students are living in there?

1265
01:59:29,820 --> 01:59:35,460
we're living in there at the time. I'm not really keen on that, but let's say

1266
01:59:35,460 --> 01:59:40,680
in one in a time. So do we have a consensus that we can go down to and

1267
01:59:40,680 --> 01:59:43,400
or put in a minimum of 500 square feet.

1268
01:59:46,380 --> 01:59:48,400
Okay, we've got three. Okay, we're

1269
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:55,160
building on it. With the explicit flexibility by which. Correct. Yeah. Correct.

1270
01:59:55,320 --> 01:59:59,340
Because not on that, if the developer would want to come in on your own and say,

1271
01:59:59,580 --> 01:59:59,960
Yeah, what is it?

1272
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:29,880
With the original language that it could go down to six feet up.

1273
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:31,780
if approved.

1274
02:00:31,980 --> 02:00:34,720
Well, damn, and everything's going to come in.

1275
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:37,680
Well, I just to clarify the language.

1276
02:00:38,380 --> 02:00:41,140
The original language wasn't just giving that option.

1277
02:00:41,380 --> 02:00:44,220
It's specifically said if they want to go to six feet clean.

1278
02:00:44,940 --> 02:00:46,820
That is going to space with back to the common open.

1279
02:00:47,780 --> 02:00:47,820
Yeah.

1280
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:50,260
I think that's where we're at.

1281
02:00:52,300 --> 02:00:53,680
Our thumbs are going to get started this way.

1282
02:00:53,720 --> 02:00:54,960
I know, but that's okay.

1283
02:00:55,160 --> 02:00:55,960
But this was good.

1284
02:00:55,960 --> 02:00:57,000
I want to use your option.

1285
02:00:57,060 --> 02:00:57,880
I approve of this.

1286
02:00:58,860 --> 02:01:05,720
Okay, um, the, what was the other issue? Okay, um, then you lost the start?

1287
02:01:06,160 --> 02:01:13,740
Yeah, the cluster size. So, you need to be okay with going to 12 if we have the caveat

1288
02:01:13,740 --> 02:01:16,920
that potentially could go to 18 depending on the project.

1289
02:01:22,060 --> 02:01:25,900
Well, we're talking, I thought it was just language to be put again, like everything else

1290
02:01:25,900 --> 02:01:28,820
that it's a council final decision and they could push it.

1291
02:01:28,820 --> 02:01:32,280
But we're starting at least with a minimum cluster of 12.

1292
02:01:33,820 --> 02:01:35,040
Is that what we were talking about?

1293
02:01:35,880 --> 02:01:37,840
Yeah, but I'd be okay with the nearest proposal, too,

1294
02:01:38,020 --> 02:01:40,420
that there's a hard capital team.

1295
02:01:41,640 --> 02:01:43,820
In the order of the switch, which, as you say,

1296
02:01:43,860 --> 02:01:45,160
isn't actually a hard capital.

1297
02:01:46,980 --> 02:01:48,420
It turns out that actually anything we're doing

1298
02:01:48,420 --> 02:01:48,940
doesn't matter.

1299
02:01:49,220 --> 02:01:52,300
You do whatever they want, but that works too.

1300
02:01:52,820 --> 02:01:53,620
Okay, bye-bye.

1301
02:01:54,220 --> 02:01:54,600
Exactly.

1302
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:57,220
It gives them something to work with so that they can,

1303
02:01:57,220 --> 02:02:05,800
which I really hate the phrase pencil it out yes okay so that ability

1304
02:02:05,800 --> 02:02:12,160
separation oh I I I I'm glad that we looked at the current entry

1305
02:02:12,160 --> 02:02:19,180
purchase I would be okay with that at that 50 feet at least it's something yeah

1306
02:02:19,180 --> 02:02:21,260
Yeah, it's a little space.

1307
02:02:23,600 --> 02:02:30,660
Uh, Mr. Mayor, was that 50 square feet or I would recommend 48, because it goes nicely

1308
02:02:30,660 --> 02:02:31,580
with 8 by 6.

1309
02:02:31,780 --> 02:02:36,020
But is that for private space or private cover for?

1310
02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:40,560
I believe we tend to be used for either.

1311
02:02:44,090 --> 02:02:48,970
But you based it on picturing a common porch, Mr. Harry's?

1312
02:02:48,970 --> 02:02:49,410
No.

1313
02:02:51,590 --> 02:03:15,390
I kind of went through the discussion, I kind of thought that it would be best to approach it with just private states, private open states, and that could take the form of a porch, or a deck, or like a porch, because we know, as we know, they can ask for whatever they want, they want to put it into a yard.

1314
02:03:16,310 --> 02:03:20,130
I just want to make sure I understand the council's direction, so we'll leave it at court.

1315
02:03:21,730 --> 02:03:24,810
And then if you look back at some of the slides on some of those projects,

1316
02:03:26,110 --> 02:03:28,310
almost all of them had some sort of little words.

1317
02:03:31,540 --> 02:03:31,700
Okay.

1318
02:03:32,100 --> 02:03:33,520
And then so that's just me as a parking.

1319
02:03:34,920 --> 02:03:37,560
I'm not really keen on reducing out parking.

1320
02:03:37,700 --> 02:03:39,420
I think it's an initiative in the community.

1321
02:03:41,680 --> 02:03:45,200
If a project comes in that maybe it is,

1322
02:03:45,640 --> 02:03:47,400
design procedures or something like that.

1323
02:03:48,840 --> 02:04:00,460
or more one bedroom unit, maybe we're going to have a variance on that, but typically I think you have to have at least two a per unit.

1324
02:04:01,880 --> 02:04:11,200
Now, if you, if you have multiple units in that same development where you have a lot of one bedrooms and any of some two bedrooms for three bedrooms,

1325
02:04:11,960 --> 02:04:19,760
It's not to say that a one-bedroom occupant couldn't allow their other space to be used

1326
02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:22,280
by a neighbor or something like that.

1327
02:04:24,390 --> 02:04:30,910
Through the mayor, if I could misdemear, first of all, I agree personally, if I was just calling

1328
02:04:30,910 --> 02:04:35,170
this to my own, I'd stick with you, because of the history I've seen in Katodium, what we've

1329
02:04:35,170 --> 02:04:35,630
encountered.

1330
02:04:36,890 --> 02:04:40,890
But one thing that might make a difference, I just wanted to pull it out, maybe you'll

1331
02:04:40,890 --> 02:04:44,950
change your perception and not if not I'd be happy to support two if that's where most

1332
02:04:44,950 --> 02:04:52,950
of us wanted to go. Was that the proposal as I understood it was 1.75 only for our smallest

1333
02:04:52,950 --> 02:04:59,130
to just keep caught a chance of 500 and then I think we fixed it. If 700 feet we go back

1334
02:04:59,130 --> 02:05:07,050
to perhaps we could go back at 600 feet to 2. I don't know but that's a little different. We're not

1335
02:05:07,050 --> 02:05:09,870
saying that all these units, no matter how big they might,

1336
02:05:10,070 --> 02:05:11,170
seven hundred, eight hundred.

1337
02:05:12,010 --> 02:05:14,690
You know, perception potentially larger,

1338
02:05:14,850 --> 02:05:18,830
if they really want to attract families would be limited

1339
02:05:18,830 --> 02:05:23,790
to 1.75 because I find that concerning,

1340
02:05:23,990 --> 02:05:25,350
when you start talking percentages,

1341
02:05:25,630 --> 02:05:27,430
that means neighbors are sharing partners' faces.

1342
02:05:28,130 --> 02:05:30,070
We're fooling ourselves if we don't think we're setting

1343
02:05:30,070 --> 02:05:31,770
the need to put us up for complaints

1344
02:05:31,770 --> 02:05:33,110
down the road with that.

1345
02:05:33,430 --> 02:05:35,230
But with those really, really smart houses

1346
02:05:35,230 --> 02:05:39,290
that's where they are going to be some of it in fact. I've got to have a little

1347
02:05:39,290 --> 02:05:46,130
flexibility. Does that sound any better? I could live with that. Yeah, I think

1348
02:05:46,130 --> 02:05:50,370
that was, it my friends will correct me if I'm right. I think that was the suggestion.

1349
02:05:51,170 --> 02:05:57,330
Oh, so I'm with you on this, but I think that's a reasonable small meeting

1350
02:05:57,330 --> 02:05:57,990
in the middle.

1351
02:05:57,990 --> 02:05:59,510
1.75.

1352
02:06:02,650 --> 02:06:05,990
So 1.75 at 700 square feet of below.

1353
02:06:06,770 --> 02:06:09,430
So we'll call it the hearty sparks agreements.

1354
02:06:10,510 --> 02:06:11,350
We'll go with that.

1355
02:06:11,350 --> 02:06:12,930
All right, we'll go with that.

1356
02:06:13,250 --> 02:06:16,870
If you don't get away if you want to go that way, John,

1357
02:06:18,190 --> 02:06:21,810
it seems like it's a reasonable and anything greater than that.

1358
02:06:21,810 --> 02:06:24,330
Interesting that it's frankly these big enough for a family.

1359
02:06:24,650 --> 02:06:27,430
We could get multiple more than multiple people in there.

1360
02:06:27,430 --> 02:06:31,410
number numerous car drivers, I think you're going to have two spaces.

1361
02:06:32,470 --> 02:06:35,510
And if we have a neighborhood we're concerned about, and it's in front of us, for example,

1362
02:06:35,750 --> 02:06:38,850
as a campus council, we can require that.

1363
02:06:39,050 --> 02:06:42,430
We don't have to stick with that because every single thing is discretionary.

1364
02:06:43,370 --> 02:06:44,590
I can, I can know what that.

1365
02:06:45,130 --> 02:06:47,330
Well, what's I mean, I'm a consensus on that then.

1366
02:06:47,550 --> 02:06:48,850
Yeah, through the mayor.

1367
02:06:49,410 --> 02:06:53,650
That's a really good point mark because when the development comes to us,

1368
02:06:53,710 --> 02:06:56,550
we can take a look at the surrounding neighborhood,

1369
02:06:56,550 --> 02:07:03,690
But because we also will know whether or not there's already parking issues, we're going

1370
02:07:03,690 --> 02:07:08,070
to make them worse with this, so that's a good point.

1371
02:07:11,490 --> 02:07:17,690
So with those changes, do we have another issue is the EV large?

1372
02:07:18,010 --> 02:07:22,290
I have proposed to use the substitute language instead of what's on the table now.

1373
02:07:22,610 --> 02:07:23,770
I really agree with that.

1374
02:07:23,770 --> 02:07:26,410
Sorry I got it. Yes, absolutely.

1375
02:07:30,650 --> 02:07:31,230
Okay.

1376
02:07:33,410 --> 02:07:37,240
So, John Paul knew you think that you have the best one there?

1377
02:07:38,330 --> 02:07:45,330
Yeah, let me run through it because these will be, I'm assuming we're going to

1378
02:07:45,330 --> 02:07:50,290
recommend introduction with these changes and I'll make the changes and they'll be in the

1379
02:07:50,290 --> 02:07:58,450
packet for late July, okay. So the first while the harvest

1380
02:07:58,450 --> 02:08:04,890
sparks amendment, which is 1.7 parking spaces for units, less than or equal to

1381
02:08:04,890 --> 02:08:10,090
700 square feet, 500, 500,

1382
02:08:14,850 --> 02:08:15,870
500 or 700, 500 or 700.

1383
02:08:15,870 --> 02:08:17,290
Okay,

1384
02:08:19,770 --> 02:08:33,490
cluster size is 12, it could go up to 18 given conditions of the site the council may consider unit sizes of 18.

1385
02:08:36,630 --> 02:08:44,230
Go with the recommended EB charging language that's in the packet that's been discussed.

1386
02:08:45,290 --> 02:08:52,190
require a private cover of fortunes at these 48 square feet in size in the NU district, which

1387
02:08:52,190 --> 02:09:00,770
is a reduction from the private and poor chain of private open space that was in the

1388
02:09:00,770 --> 02:09:01,930
landings.

1389
02:09:02,150 --> 02:09:02,370
I'm sorry.

1390
02:09:02,990 --> 02:09:03,450
I need to interrupt.

1391
02:09:05,210 --> 02:09:11,130
So my hope was that a debt, so poor chain plies entrance, doesn't it?

1392
02:09:11,710 --> 02:09:19,310
Yes, I mean, well, you wanted, we could say covered debt because you could be an internal entrance, and I could realize you're right.

1393
02:09:19,550 --> 02:09:24,090
So should it be a covered, covered debt or covered private space?

1394
02:09:24,770 --> 02:09:28,750
Well, I would be fine with private outdoor space, such as deck or porch.

1395
02:09:29,050 --> 02:09:29,250
I'm sorry.

1396
02:09:29,690 --> 02:09:29,910
Yeah.

1397
02:09:30,390 --> 02:09:32,210
All right, I think we got that.

1398
02:09:32,210 --> 02:09:45,670
And then minimum 500 square foot unit with the caveat that it could be smaller if they proposed

1399
02:09:45,670 --> 02:09:50,170
that way the council could consider smaller units.

1400
02:09:51,050 --> 02:09:55,350
We do have that language in there, by the way, already, that gives you that some discretion.

1401
02:09:55,350 --> 02:10:02,950
And then basically keep the 8 foot separation language the way we had it originally, where

1402
02:10:02,950 --> 02:10:09,110
you could reduce it to 6. So those are 6 items that I recorded. I think they're

1403
02:10:09,110 --> 02:10:10,330
capturing all of them.

1404
02:10:12,540 --> 02:10:20,600
I think you got it. So do we want to take a stab at a motion on this?

1405
02:10:20,600 --> 02:10:22,300
Or do you want to bring it up back?

1406
02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:24,800
Oh, I'm back.

1407
02:10:25,300 --> 02:10:25,580
Oh, no.

1408
02:10:25,720 --> 02:10:28,400
I'd rather you don't throw a motion on it.

1409
02:10:29,220 --> 02:10:32,200
And then, you know, we move on.

1410
02:10:32,400 --> 02:10:33,660
Next time, we'll be the set.

1411
02:10:33,680 --> 02:10:34,780
This will be the introduction.

1412
02:10:35,400 --> 02:10:36,960
Next time, we'll be the second reading

1413
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:38,920
and an adoption of the ordinance.

1414
02:10:39,120 --> 02:10:39,620
That's my preference.

1415
02:10:40,820 --> 02:10:41,320
Bear with you.

1416
02:10:41,800 --> 02:10:43,260
Like, make a stab at it?

1417
02:10:43,580 --> 02:10:43,960
Sure.

1418
02:10:44,160 --> 02:10:44,620
Jump home.

1419
02:10:44,720 --> 02:10:45,220
You're applying.

1420
02:10:45,500 --> 02:10:47,800
You don't want to see this multiple times again.

1421
02:10:48,020 --> 02:10:49,120
That's what I'm applying.

1422
02:10:49,760 --> 02:10:50,360
Yes.

1423
02:10:50,740 --> 02:10:53,540
Don't you want to hear that would be great if you want to take a stab at the bank.

1424
02:10:53,880 --> 02:11:00,680
I make a motion that we introduce and conduct a first reading of the ordinance that was

1425
02:11:00,680 --> 02:11:10,540
attached with the amendments as just stated by J.P., that's up to that to allow for discretionary

1426
02:11:10,540 --> 02:11:14,720
approval of hotting cottage housing projects.

1427
02:11:15,780 --> 02:11:16,560
How's that?

1428
02:11:16,560 --> 02:11:25,460
Great second that. This is count number four. So we have a motion on a second. Miss mergers if you take a roll call please. Council member Harvey.

1429
02:11:26,560 --> 02:11:38,220
Yes. Council member Sparks. Yes. Council member Ford. Yes. Vice President Lyndon. Yes. Mayor more. Yes. Thank you very much. Thank you.

1430
02:11:38,220 --> 02:11:43,460
thank you and John Paul and I know I know all the staff for that work. I know we're a

1431
02:11:43,460 --> 02:11:45,800
different boat group to work with but I think we end up a nice

1432
02:11:50,300 --> 02:11:57,080
project agree may I more I'm needed brief break before the next item okay so we've

1433
02:11:57,080 --> 02:12:05,640
got 753 show we come back at eight got to go check something inside City Hall

1434
02:12:05,640 --> 02:12:09,960
our ban. Alright, we will take our research until 8 o'clock.

1435
02:18:22,770 --> 02:18:24,970
It's nice day out here at City Hall, by the way.

1436
02:18:30,610 --> 02:18:33,710
Certainly got a lot warmer as the day went on.

1437
02:18:34,690 --> 02:18:39,190
Good, well, like, you've got that current entry way, so that helps.

1438
02:18:44,220 --> 02:18:45,120
Looks like-

1439
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:49,880
She, this is how long it goes. You never win. You never lose. It always goes on and on.

1440
02:18:57,880 --> 02:19:02,300
Are you going to sit out there then when we go like back into council chief first?

1441
02:19:02,700 --> 02:19:04,140
What are you going to come inside?

1442
02:19:05,340 --> 02:19:07,380
We are going to move the day outside.

1443
02:19:07,380 --> 02:19:15,160
up. There you go. Perfect. Daniel's work on that. Yeah we could have ultimate work

1444
02:19:15,160 --> 02:19:19,380
whole background. It's for inside the chambers and outside for breaks.

1445
02:19:22,280 --> 02:19:22,940
And then we

1446
02:19:22,940 --> 02:19:25,360
would really incorporate hybrid, right?

1447
02:19:31,580 --> 02:19:34,680
It looks like we have everybody back so we

1448
02:19:34,680 --> 02:19:48,140
we can reen at 801 and move along to public hearing item 10B resolution to approve the

1449
02:19:48,140 --> 02:19:52,800
engineers report confirm the assessment diagram and annual assessment amounts for

1450
02:19:53,340 --> 02:19:57,600
learning and collecting of the annual assessments or the client's getting

1451
02:19:57,600 --> 02:20:08,040
I think assessment district, or fiscal year 21 and 22, I am guessing this is going to be Mr. Scott.

1452
02:20:09,880 --> 02:20:14,500
Yes, Mayor, I'm into the Council of Craig Scott, City and State of Public Works Director.

1453
02:20:15,260 --> 02:20:21,160
As Mayor had mentioned, this is the annual process for the landscape and landing assessment district.

1454
02:20:21,160 --> 02:20:30,940
Every year we have three meetings with the City Council on this item, this is the third one in our final one.

1455
02:20:31,720 --> 02:20:42,640
And we first came before Council in January where I was appointed the Engineer of the work and the Council provided directions to me to

1456
02:20:42,640 --> 02:20:46,740
and then staff to prepare the annual engineers report.

1457
02:20:46,980 --> 02:20:48,640
The second meeting was in May,

1458
02:20:49,380 --> 02:20:52,720
and that's when we prepared and presented the report.

1459
02:20:53,500 --> 02:20:55,600
And Council considered that report

1460
02:20:55,600 --> 02:20:59,540
and preliminary approved it

1461
02:20:59,540 --> 02:21:03,840
and then set the date for today for the public hearing.

1462
02:21:05,040 --> 02:21:05,840
Next slide, please.

1463
02:21:09,920 --> 02:21:14,680
So that the city formed originally 10,

1464
02:21:14,680 --> 02:21:21,300
landscaping lighting districts between 1989 and 2003, in accordance with the landscaping

1465
02:21:21,300 --> 02:21:27,460
lighting act in 1972, and that was to pay for costs associated with maintaining landscaping

1466
02:21:27,460 --> 02:21:37,820
and street lights within developments. In 2017, the staff to street better make the process

1467
02:21:37,820 --> 02:21:44,460
of the more efficient, we, as allowed by the act, we consolidated the 10 districts into one

1468
02:21:44,460 --> 02:21:50,360
district in each of the original districts, the knuckles, zones, and they retain their

1469
02:21:50,360 --> 02:21:58,020
same areas and we do separate accounting and budgeting of the expenses and reserves for those

1470
02:21:58,020 --> 02:22:00,580
visual zones. Next slide, please.

1471
02:22:03,540 --> 02:22:07,880
Here are the 10 zones, the numbers and the names.

1472
02:22:09,720 --> 02:22:20,550
And just on this slide, I'd like to point out that Zelens 1 and 3, 6 were limited to staying

1473
02:22:20,550 --> 02:22:31,190
with the original assessments. Back when those zones were formed. And Zelens 7, 8, 9, and 10 were

1474
02:22:31,190 --> 02:22:35,450
actually, they formed with the ability to have

1475
02:22:35,450 --> 02:22:40,390
annual inflation adjustments on a next slide, please.

1476
02:22:46,760 --> 02:22:51,020
So this shows generally where the 10 Zones

1477
02:22:51,020 --> 02:22:54,260
are spread out through the city on a next slide, please.

1478
02:22:58,120 --> 02:23:03,140
OK, so every year, the city staff, mainly

1479
02:23:03,140 --> 02:23:07,960
the public works department, provides routine maintenance

1480
02:23:07,960 --> 02:23:15,500
the zones. And so it's useful to say, to point out, when there was something above and beyond

1481
02:23:15,500 --> 02:23:25,800
the normal maintenance activities. And so we've got, as of 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10 had

1482
02:23:25,800 --> 02:23:32,180
sort of activities in them that are not manual. And it's perhaps every two years or every three

1483
02:23:32,180 --> 02:23:40,740
years. For example, Zone 3, we replaced three light bulbs in top and trim trees. Zone 6 of

1484
02:23:40,740 --> 02:23:50,100
null. We replanted several plants and mulched the strip and then did irrigation repairs.

1485
02:23:51,860 --> 02:23:58,900
Zone 7 of our gate. We tops in the trims and trees there. And there's a zone 9 and

1486
02:23:58,900 --> 02:24:03,860
are away. There was actually a tree that was splitting down the middle in a part of it

1487
02:24:03,860 --> 02:24:09,500
it fallen onto the street. And so we had a contract sort of this kind of removed that

1488
02:24:09,500 --> 02:24:21,120
tree and replaced it. And then it's own tan, a long whole river highway there. Just south

1489
02:24:21,120 --> 02:24:28,880
of the mortal in a whole river highway. There's some streetscape there. There was some

1490
02:24:28,880 --> 02:24:35,520
removed, and we'll see in a following slide how we've got plants to go ahead and replace those

1491
02:24:36,840 --> 02:24:40,940
and beautify that streetscape. Next slide, please.

1492
02:24:44,680 --> 02:24:48,180
Okay, this is the proposed assessments

1493
02:24:48,180 --> 02:24:56,180
per property. And again, for Zones 1, 2, 6, those are the same numbers we see every year,

1494
02:24:56,180 --> 02:25:04,120
year you're in your out because they do not change and then on 7, 8, 9, and 10, we've got

1495
02:25:04,120 --> 02:25:11,780
the 20, 21 assessment that was already collected, shown on the figure and then our proposed

1496
02:25:12,440 --> 02:25:22,180
on the far right, the proposed assessment for 21, 22 and in the middle there we've got the current

1497
02:25:22,180 --> 02:25:29,800
maximum annual assessment for the last four zones there and our proposed assessment is

1498
02:25:29,800 --> 02:25:36,480
below those maximum. But the significance there is that with those zones that are

1499
02:25:36,480 --> 02:25:45,220
allowed to be adjusted we can take the construction cost index when the zone was

1500
02:25:45,220 --> 02:25:53,260
originally formed and divided into what the current January 1st, 2021, CCI is and that's

1501
02:25:53,260 --> 02:25:59,980
the amount that we could potentially raise it to. But the city is not raised the

1502
02:25:59,980 --> 02:26:05,520
assessment every single year, that's why the actual one is lower. Okay, next slide please.

1503
02:26:05,520 --> 02:26:13,160
And that adjustment is 2.3% this year for those of us.

1504
02:26:14,860 --> 02:26:15,840
And next slide,

1505
02:26:19,450 --> 02:26:22,730
these are the code, I'm sorry,

1506
02:26:23,050 --> 02:26:24,350
the already advanced at.

1507
02:26:24,570 --> 02:26:27,650
The last slide was for a total assessment,

1508
02:26:28,170 --> 02:26:31,770
not just for the properties, but for everything in it.

1509
02:26:31,930 --> 02:26:36,250
We're showing that the city collects nearly $51,000

1510
02:26:36,250 --> 02:26:38,990
all told from the 10 zones each year.

1511
02:26:38,990 --> 02:26:53,840
The exercise we go through is to compare the expenses, free to the zones and against their reserves

1512
02:26:53,840 --> 02:26:55,720
and get an idea.

1513
02:26:57,100 --> 02:27:04,500
This gives us an idea of what capital projects or what big improvements we can do each zone in a given year.

1514
02:27:04,500 --> 02:27:29,040
And so, that some zones are just primarily just not not capable of even meeting their annual maintenance requirements as in the quiet hollow zone, just in watering the plants, just the water bill, and doing minimal maintenance, it puts them into a deficit mode.

1515
02:27:29,040 --> 02:27:37,600
So they have an ongoing general fund loan balance that just kind of gets larger each year.

1516
02:27:38,920 --> 02:27:42,660
Some of the other zones, though, you could see park medows.

1517
02:27:43,240 --> 02:27:44,460
That's the beginning of circle.

1518
02:27:46,140 --> 02:27:49,740
The zone balance had built up to just about $17,000,

1519
02:27:50,600 --> 02:27:56,400
and we'll find out later that we do plan on spending that down

1520
02:27:56,400 --> 02:28:00,720
to balance of $2,000 by the end of $21,22,

1521
02:28:00,880 --> 02:28:05,580
this is some capital improvements that we're contemplating.

1522
02:28:09,000 --> 02:28:09,480
Okay, next slide,

1523
02:28:12,700 --> 02:28:12,700
please.

1524
02:28:13,160 --> 02:28:15,180
Okay, so part, and it just as I mentioned in part,

1525
02:28:15,340 --> 02:28:19,320
Meadows, we do plan on spending down some of that reserve,

1526
02:28:19,920 --> 02:28:21,420
which is normal, which is fine,

1527
02:28:21,660 --> 02:28:24,780
and it doesn't take more than a year or two

1528
02:28:24,780 --> 02:28:26,540
to start building it back up again,

1529
02:28:26,540 --> 02:28:28,180
but there's split and rail fences.

1530
02:28:28,180 --> 02:28:35,000
I need to be sections of that fence need to be replaced and here's a picture of the pathway

1531
02:28:35,000 --> 02:28:41,380
from the Guinness Circle to Marshway and then there's another section of the pathway from

1532
02:28:41,380 --> 02:28:44,820
the Guinness Circle to the bridge because across Laguna.

1533
02:28:45,540 --> 02:28:52,840
Those sections are in our city's capital budget that the council just adopted.

1534
02:28:52,840 --> 02:29:01,720
And with the pieces that are within of the pathway that are within the department of the zone

1535
02:29:01,720 --> 02:29:06,140
are going to be paid for by that zone's reserves.

1536
02:29:07,220 --> 02:29:08,360
Next slide please.

1537
02:29:08,520 --> 02:29:10,760
This slide is a little bit out of order.

1538
02:29:11,620 --> 02:29:13,360
I apologize for that.

1539
02:29:13,380 --> 02:29:18,340
These are the adjustments, inflation adjustments on those four zones.

1540
02:29:18,340 --> 02:29:19,040
Right

1541
02:29:22,430 --> 02:29:30,840
next slide please jumping back to improvements so the sort of sort of more minor improvements

1542
02:29:30,840 --> 02:29:36,880
on some of the other zones that I just wanted to talk about was in Hope Null just

1543
02:29:36,880 --> 02:29:38,640
lived down the street from City Hall.

1544
02:29:39,100 --> 02:29:45,580
We're planning on doing some replanting and mulching and a lot of pristance and laying in the

1545
02:29:45,580 --> 02:29:51,900
island there in the Colesak and then in Barton Gate refresh the plants and mulch the streetscape

1546
02:29:51,900 --> 02:29:59,980
center away a couple of years back we went ahead and hired a landscape.

1547
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:01,960
The contractor to do the maintenance.

1548
02:30:04,700 --> 02:30:14,880
At that time, also, we listened to the managing property manager.

1549
02:30:14,880 --> 02:30:33,160
And the HOA input we received at the HOA meetings from the residents and these are some of the items that the HOA interests in improving in the park, the playground, the benches, and then repair some of the damage sidewalk.

1550
02:30:33,160 --> 02:30:58,180
So we've been making progress each year, I think the last year we repaired the irrigation, which was good timing, because it had actually overwatered some parts of the park in less than kind of martial like, so we rebalanced the irrigation to not waste water in that area.

1551
02:30:58,920 --> 02:31:06,980
And then in all minakers, like I mentioned before, we had to remove some dead rush, some dead bushes and trees.

1552
02:31:08,000 --> 02:31:15,160
So we would be looking at next year in 2021, 2022, coming back and planting and mulching their area.

1553
02:31:17,300 --> 02:31:18,200
Next slide, please.

1554
02:31:21,870 --> 02:31:28,910
And this is our summary final slide with the recommendation, which is to, by resolution,

1555
02:31:28,910 --> 02:31:32,410
to adopt a resolution which approves the engineers report.

1556
02:31:33,050 --> 02:31:35,710
And it confirms the assessment diagram and the annual assessment

1557
02:31:35,710 --> 02:31:39,370
and maths and living in collection of annual assessments

1558
02:31:39,370 --> 02:31:42,470
for the C-Fogger Landscape and Lighting Assessment District

1559
02:31:42,470 --> 02:31:49,690
for his 1 through 10 first round to the Landscape and Lighting Act in 1972.

1560
02:31:51,010 --> 02:31:54,990
So that concludes the presentation if you have to respond to any questions you may have.

1561
02:31:56,090 --> 02:31:57,410
Thank you, Mr. Scott.

1562
02:31:57,410 --> 02:32:00,050
Do we have any questions from the Council for Mr. Scott?

1563
02:32:00,790 --> 02:32:02,010
That's what I'm talking about.

1564
02:32:02,130 --> 02:32:02,550
Let's remember.

1565
02:32:03,250 --> 02:32:05,650
I just have one question.

1566
02:32:06,050 --> 02:32:06,570
Mr. Scott.

1567
02:32:07,370 --> 02:32:11,230
And that's our favorite area.

1568
02:32:11,610 --> 02:32:12,230
Quil-Halo.

1569
02:32:13,090 --> 02:32:17,110
I was a little confused because on one heart,

1570
02:32:17,810 --> 02:32:24,530
it says that the general fund loan is $2,498.

1571
02:32:24,530 --> 02:32:34,650
And then in the next part of the report it says the general fund loan is 1,491 dollars and 81 cents.

1572
02:32:35,410 --> 02:32:37,310
So I wasn't sure exactly.

1573
02:32:37,990 --> 02:32:42,690
And that's on page 181 of the packet.

1574
02:32:42,970 --> 02:32:49,710
And I don't have a page number for your report as far as the channels.

1575
02:32:49,710 --> 02:33:04,370
I think we were tracking it just with the annual learn-wise in this year just recognizing

1576
02:33:04,370 --> 02:33:11,830
that it's every single year on one of the slides in here I had actually put the total

1577
02:33:11,830 --> 02:33:16,750
the running total, which is 26,000?

1578
02:33:16,850 --> 02:33:18,150
Right. Right.

1579
02:33:18,950 --> 02:33:20,230
So yeah.

1580
02:33:21,030 --> 02:33:24,430
That's the first time I think we presented instead of just showing

1581
02:33:24,430 --> 02:33:28,110
what they're going to hold again into every year just looking

1582
02:33:28,110 --> 02:33:29,130
at the running total.

1583
02:33:30,370 --> 02:33:36,430
Right, but this is four that 21, 22 column on one section

1584
02:33:36,430 --> 02:33:40,310
of the report on the first section, was it called?

1585
02:33:40,310 --> 02:33:47,990
The first section where it shows the utility charges and the total expenses and the total revenues.

1586
02:33:49,350 --> 02:34:02,350
On that part it says that the general fund loan for 2122 is $2,498 and then on the next section where it talks about fund balances.

1587
02:34:02,350 --> 02:34:09,650
It says the general fund loan for 2021-22 is 1491-81.

1588
02:34:10,350 --> 02:34:14,250
I just was having a hard time because it numbers didn't match.

1589
02:34:15,530 --> 02:34:22,850
What I'd like to propose is that we can go ahead and make that modification.

1590
02:34:23,750 --> 02:34:27,270
The council's so chooses to adopt the reports tonight.

1591
02:34:28,070 --> 02:34:30,350
We could just say with the caveat that.

1592
02:34:30,350 --> 02:34:31,890
That was a number of problems.

1593
02:34:32,790 --> 02:34:32,990
Okay.

1594
02:34:34,330 --> 02:34:37,350
And I don't know which one's correct, but...

1595
02:34:38,170 --> 02:34:39,130
Thank you.

1596
02:34:46,340 --> 02:34:48,140
I mean, last year, I remember it was Susan.

1597
02:34:50,980 --> 02:34:52,000
I said thank you.

1598
02:34:55,570 --> 02:34:56,410
Did you hear me?

1599
02:34:56,710 --> 02:34:56,830
John?

1600
02:35:00,640 --> 02:35:02,160
Oh, it looks like it's John who's lost.

1601
02:35:03,060 --> 02:35:03,440
Oh.

1602
02:35:04,020 --> 02:35:05,660
I was just saying thank you, Craig.

1603
02:35:07,320 --> 02:35:08,280
Um, my...

1604
02:35:14,970 --> 02:35:16,310
The mayor started to call me.

1605
02:35:16,490 --> 02:35:17,170
I heard advice.

1606
02:35:17,430 --> 02:35:20,130
You know, he's talking about my habits and my job title.

1607
02:35:20,130 --> 02:35:24,230
I'm not sure, so I'm going to go ahead and speak.

1608
02:35:27,150 --> 02:35:29,790
So kind of a little bit of common question

1609
02:35:29,790 --> 02:35:32,430
since they go together or get it getting now.

1610
02:35:34,130 --> 02:35:36,950
But so this has been an area of concern.

1611
02:35:37,270 --> 02:35:38,510
My wife concerned for some years,

1612
02:35:38,670 --> 02:35:39,830
the city manager will remember.

1613
02:35:40,130 --> 02:35:42,090
In one place, we're taking their jobs out.

1614
02:35:42,690 --> 02:35:44,910
Zones, six, open, open, open,

1615
02:35:45,170 --> 02:35:45,790
Kristen, some court.

1616
02:35:47,050 --> 02:35:48,870
Because one of the neighbors there

1617
02:35:48,870 --> 02:35:54,090
my attention looking through tax filled and out the pay isn't much but still. It's

1618
02:35:54,090 --> 02:35:57,470
notable and when they pointed out the landscaping they had they were concerned

1619
02:35:57,470 --> 02:36:02,570
it was most of it was dead and what was originally there was pretty minimum. And staff

1620
02:36:02,570 --> 02:36:07,670
quickly did replace that and also checks to make sure that the water and equipment was

1621
02:36:07,670 --> 02:36:14,190
working. But within a year it was dead again and when you place it one more time and

1622
02:36:14,190 --> 02:36:18,710
been kind of dead again for a while since then. And it's very minimum of my

1623
02:36:18,710 --> 02:36:23,570
abscap. We're talking some rather non-script small shrubs, a little more.

1624
02:36:23,570 --> 02:36:28,570
Mark hanging on him and we're having some technical difficulty here. I mean, I can't

1625
02:36:28,570 --> 02:36:30,590
get getting my video.

1626
02:36:32,930 --> 02:36:34,930
Does this help if I stopped my video?

1627
02:36:36,750 --> 02:36:46,700
Mr. Mayor, I wasn't having any issue with, I think Mr. Mayor, I think it might be you.

1628
02:36:46,700 --> 02:36:48,560
I think you're cutting out.

1629
02:36:50,860 --> 02:36:53,640
You could try to stop in your video that does help.

1630
02:36:56,520 --> 02:36:59,640
Notice the attorney has cloned himself four times as well.

1631
02:37:00,800 --> 02:37:02,120
We may be having some issues.

1632
02:37:06,110 --> 02:37:10,050
I'm going to ask to step Mr. O'Biet and Mr. Stop, can you hear me okay?

1633
02:37:12,810 --> 02:37:13,130
Yes.

1634
02:37:13,710 --> 02:37:15,870
Can I go ahead and continue with this?

1635
02:37:15,990 --> 02:37:18,270
It was my dear to public came here for some reason.

1636
02:37:20,110 --> 02:37:23,510
So as I was saying, so this is an area I'd like to see first

1637
02:37:23,510 --> 02:37:24,510
to do better.

1638
02:37:24,530 --> 02:37:25,590
Now I understand it completely.

1639
02:37:26,350 --> 02:37:32,270
We have some fixed, non-worldly cost maintenance fund areas that we're probably everyone

1640
02:37:32,270 --> 02:37:35,010
to be increased, because the only way to do it would be to get everyone in the neighborhood

1641
02:37:35,010 --> 02:37:38,150
to increase what they pay for it, and that may be unlikely.

1642
02:37:39,890 --> 02:37:46,090
But still with that, this is a limited number of places, and we're stuck with them, and

1643
02:37:46,090 --> 02:37:50,790
the costs there, when you look at the city budget are pretty minimal, I would like to ask

1644
02:37:50,790 --> 02:37:55,130
And it looks like you may be in which your report says you're on track and I'll be replacing

1645
02:37:55,130 --> 02:37:57,390
the Christmas and court landscaping again.

1646
02:37:57,990 --> 02:38:02,650
If we could make sure it stays green and then it is replaced regularly for some reason

1647
02:38:02,650 --> 02:38:03,250
and guys.

1648
02:38:03,930 --> 02:38:08,630
But beyond that next year, perhaps, come back with a discussion for these non-roll and areas

1649
02:38:08,630 --> 02:38:14,510
if we can't get agreements from all the neighborhoods, can we look at ways to do a better job

1650
02:38:14,510 --> 02:38:15,890
of the lighting, more attractive,

1651
02:38:16,690 --> 02:38:18,570
and more, a lot will be fitting.

1652
02:38:18,890 --> 02:38:21,450
I think a city like Katati in some of these areas.

1653
02:38:21,690 --> 02:38:23,210
I'd like us to look at that as accounts

1654
02:38:23,210 --> 02:38:24,530
because I think we need to.

1655
02:38:24,630 --> 02:38:25,930
And it might be some we can do.

1656
02:38:26,070 --> 02:38:28,050
We just accept that we have some legacy,

1657
02:38:28,590 --> 02:38:31,130
or from districts that don't, the cost don't roll in.

1658
02:38:31,330 --> 02:38:33,830
Perhaps from the small degree we figured out

1659
02:38:33,830 --> 02:38:35,410
as part of our cost of doing business

1660
02:38:35,410 --> 02:38:38,250
and providing the quality of service that we provided

1661
02:38:38,250 --> 02:38:39,030
as a city.

1662
02:38:39,690 --> 02:38:41,650
So that's what I wanted to ask for.

1663
02:38:44,150 --> 02:38:45,490
Thank you.

1664
02:38:46,170 --> 02:38:48,130
How much do you remember for you?

1665
02:38:48,650 --> 02:38:51,410
Mr. Quick question for Eric.

1666
02:38:51,530 --> 02:38:59,070
We've got about what the city's commitments to these districts are as part of the formation of the districts.

1667
02:38:59,630 --> 02:39:07,850
Is there a particular service level that we're committed to provide for the whopping 32 dollars a year?

1668
02:39:09,110 --> 02:39:09,750
Payment?

1669
02:39:13,500 --> 02:39:14,140
The...

1670
02:39:15,060 --> 02:39:15,700
That...

1671
02:39:15,700 --> 02:39:19,500
A lot happens with a set and stone with the formation of the districts.

1672
02:39:20,280 --> 02:39:20,540
All right.

1673
02:39:21,200 --> 02:39:24,240
And so some of the original one was back in 1989.

1674
02:39:25,760 --> 02:39:28,700
And so I think strictly speaking,

1675
02:39:29,220 --> 02:39:35,280
it would be to the same level of standard that was established with the original development.

1676
02:39:35,280 --> 02:39:49,380
It was originally installed with a long mortal avenue, you'll see that over the years,

1677
02:39:50,920 --> 02:39:56,220
if it does need some refreshing, the plants do need to be yanked out and the plants put in

1678
02:39:56,220 --> 02:40:02,740
bolts and we did make a significant effort along mortal avenue a few years back and so we

1679
02:40:02,740 --> 02:40:10,060
try to do that. So yes, there's a standard of care, but at the same time we're getting $32

1680
02:40:11,000 --> 02:40:19,960
a year and there's that limit. So I think the city realistically can scale back some of

1681
02:40:19,960 --> 02:40:23,700
these efforts in those areas to stay within our budget.

1682
02:40:25,780 --> 02:40:27,940
Either that, or we accept that

1683
02:40:28,860 --> 02:40:36,740
We screwed up when we set up those districts and didn't allow for inflation or increases and we just have to accept it in the cities on the hook now.

1684
02:40:37,420 --> 02:40:44,840
I mean, I think that's the direction by sort of land on this pointing and I'm not sure what the point of council makes that call and just says,

1685
02:40:45,040 --> 02:40:47,740
okay, we're going to take the $5,000 a year, it would yet.

1686
02:40:48,780 --> 02:40:53,140
But we'll spend what it takes to keep it to whatever level we keep the rest of the city.

1687
02:40:53,140 --> 02:40:53,760
Yeah.

1688
02:40:56,660 --> 02:41:00,320
Yeah, I would say that's where we're at now with those districts in particular.

1689
02:41:00,740 --> 02:41:08,940
I mean, it's, it's unfortunate because they're paying something, but they're back something as opposed to, you know,

1690
02:41:09,000 --> 02:41:11,320
somewhere that's not, there's not a special assessment.

1691
02:41:12,380 --> 02:41:19,900
So, I think that's, I mean, it'll be appropriate for taking hours that we, that we may end it to the same level of care as we want the cliff to,

1692
02:41:19,900 --> 02:41:26,580
But we don't, we're not either to take on big projects that are expensive, including the one.

1693
02:41:28,140 --> 02:41:28,180
Okay.

1694
02:41:28,180 --> 02:41:28,360
Thanks.

1695
02:41:31,350 --> 02:41:35,410
So maybe we just go with astroturfing some plastic bars.

1696
02:41:39,620 --> 02:41:40,880
That's a fabulous idea.

1697
02:41:41,020 --> 02:41:42,240
We set the lead blow up.

1698
02:41:42,340 --> 02:41:43,600
That's off the flower at the fifth one.

1699
02:41:44,500 --> 02:41:45,520
All right.

1700
02:41:46,380 --> 02:41:47,360
There's no further questions.

1701
02:41:47,660 --> 02:41:49,520
I'll open myself for our public comment.

1702
02:41:56,660 --> 02:41:57,500
Let's purchase a few.

1703
02:41:57,880 --> 02:41:58,640
Would it facilitate that?

1704
02:41:58,640 --> 02:42:02,960
If I may, this is looking after the formal public hearing.

1705
02:42:06,260 --> 02:42:06,980
I'm sorry about that.

1706
02:42:07,160 --> 02:42:09,460
A little technical trouble.

1707
02:42:09,940 --> 02:42:12,300
But I will open this up for public comment.

1708
02:42:12,660 --> 02:42:15,400
And for our attendees tonight, please use your race hand icon.

1709
02:42:15,660 --> 02:42:17,480
We're going to start now if you're dialing with your telephone.

1710
02:42:22,560 --> 02:42:23,760
And that will end public art.

1711
02:42:25,080 --> 02:42:25,940
Thank you very much.

1712
02:42:26,500 --> 02:42:28,380
I miss part of the beginning of that.

1713
02:42:28,380 --> 02:42:31,040
There's some technical issues on there.

1714
02:42:31,040 --> 02:42:39,200
Um, if I understand correctly, um, we, from your suggestion, or, or comment, by

1715
02:42:39,200 --> 02:42:46,520
smelling that, um, and reiterated by Council Member Ford that, um, yes, we did, did not

1716
02:42:46,520 --> 02:42:49,280
put in any inflation protector on those.

1717
02:42:50,140 --> 02:42:55,080
So in order to keep the community and looking decent, we just kind of have to keep that.

1718
02:42:56,360 --> 02:42:57,200
It will certainly be great.

1719
02:42:57,200 --> 02:43:02,020
perhaps not as pretty as I'd like you to the point and correct the end. Unfortunately, those

1720
02:43:02,020 --> 02:43:08,540
costs are going to destroy the city and I think it's a place we need to go. I haven't visually

1721
02:43:08,540 --> 02:43:13,160
inspected every place closely but if Christmas and hope choose for many of the other

1722
02:43:14,180 --> 02:43:19,500
orphaned or locked ones, I think it's a place we could and we get the opportunity to start

1723
02:43:19,500 --> 02:43:24,100
moving. So I would talk about this for several years. I keep saying I'd like to see it done.

1724
02:43:24,100 --> 02:43:31,200
I'm happy to vote for this tonight. I'd like to see this by next year. The other way with the process to do a little bit better the light.

1725
02:43:31,460 --> 02:43:32,760
That's all I want to ask.

1726
02:43:33,180 --> 02:43:33,940
Thank you very much.

1727
02:43:34,920 --> 02:43:36,860
And with that, I would entertain the motion.

1728
02:43:38,740 --> 02:43:46,180
I would be willing to make a motion to adopt a resolution, approving the annual engineer's report.

1729
02:43:46,180 --> 02:43:54,340
confirming the assessment diagram and annual assessment amounts and authorizing the

1730
02:43:54,340 --> 02:44:00,720
leveening and collection of assessments for fiscal year 2021, 22, for the

1731
02:44:00,720 --> 02:44:08,820
Katani landscaping and lighting assessment districts for zones 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10,

1732
02:44:09,580 --> 02:44:20,060
to the landscape and the marketing act of 1972 and with the resolution of that general fund number.

1733
02:44:23,490 --> 02:44:24,250
I'll second that.

1734
02:44:24,350 --> 02:44:25,890
Thank you.

1735
02:44:26,350 --> 02:44:31,510
So we have a motion in a second, and for those of you that were not around way back,

1736
02:44:32,370 --> 02:44:38,150
prior to 17, we had to go through each one of these, and finally we consolidated it to one.

1737
02:44:38,910 --> 02:44:39,390
Thank you.

1738
02:44:39,390 --> 02:44:40,030
Thank you.

1739
02:44:40,090 --> 02:44:40,750
Thank you.

1740
02:44:41,970 --> 02:44:46,730
So, do we have a motion and a second on this board just with you finally take a moment?

1741
02:44:47,610 --> 02:44:48,610
Councilmember Harvey?

1742
02:44:49,890 --> 02:44:49,970
Yes.

1743
02:44:50,490 --> 02:44:51,330
Councilmember Sparks?

1744
02:44:52,310 --> 02:44:52,470
Yes.

1745
02:44:52,710 --> 02:44:53,610
Councilmember Ford?

1746
02:44:54,310 --> 02:44:54,530
Yes.

1747
02:44:54,810 --> 02:44:55,910
Vice-millian men?

1748
02:44:57,730 --> 02:44:57,930
Yes.

1749
02:44:58,390 --> 02:44:59,030
Mayor More.

1750
02:44:59,810 --> 02:44:59,970
Yes.

1751
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:07,680
Thank you very much. Okay, so that is on the

1752
02:45:10,270 --> 02:45:25,710
public hearing. I will move on to our regular agenda items and consideration of options to further explore equity and inclusivity in what's possible. And I believe our city manager is going to address this.

1753
02:45:25,710 --> 02:45:37,610
Yes, thank you, Mayor. Members of the Council. So just to start the conversation, we did look at other communities, it's no accounting in particular.

1754
02:45:38,390 --> 02:45:47,510
And I will just focus on some of the more, I guess, extraordinary efforts that have been going on in the county.

1755
02:45:47,510 --> 02:45:53,470
Most cities have done some of the basic measures that he would expect, such as Resolution

1756
02:45:53,470 --> 02:45:58,170
to Close and Racism, and then Clareifying Public Information around their operations.

1757
02:46:00,090 --> 02:46:05,570
So, there's that, there's also just as a footnote, through all this, the Rippant Implementation,

1758
02:46:05,950 --> 02:46:11,890
we are part of this no. 1 County Public Safety Consortium, and when this conversation started

1759
02:46:11,890 --> 02:46:21,290
last year, the consortium decided as a group to work on implementing this jointly, and so that

1760
02:46:21,290 --> 02:46:26,510
means that all of the cities in Sonoma County that are part of that consortium are implementing

1761
02:46:26,510 --> 02:46:33,890
RIPA six months early, so effectively July 1 this year. The only non consortium cities that are

1762
02:46:33,890 --> 02:46:40,550
in Sonoma County, as listed in the staff report or as the vastible healers were concluded. The staff

1763
02:46:40,550 --> 02:46:45,550
report says that their implementation status for RIPA is unknown. I'm sure it's known

1764
02:46:45,550 --> 02:46:51,290
by somebody, it's not known by me, but I know that the consortium members are all moving

1765
02:46:51,290 --> 02:46:54,390
forward with the July 1 implementation date and that includes us.

1766
02:46:55,550 --> 02:46:59,290
So, first off, first of all, some of the other cities and what they've been working on.

1767
02:46:59,910 --> 02:47:06,590
Penn Luma, I think, is safe to say is that the most activity around us and perhaps

1768
02:47:06,590 --> 02:47:14,550
be Santa Rosa, secondarily. So Petalema they had then a town hall last year and then that was

1769
02:47:14,550 --> 02:47:21,190
just a mayor signature police chief sort of listening town hall and then in July of last year

1770
02:47:21,190 --> 02:47:29,430
they had a council meeting, a listening session essentially. And at the July 2020 meeting

1771
02:47:29,810 --> 02:47:35,870
there was various members of the community I think largely advocacy groups that wanted to do

1772
02:47:35,870 --> 02:47:40,870
community led the listening session and advanced to the city sponsored effort. So

1773
02:47:40,870 --> 02:47:46,390
in mid July the group and all the different groups are involved or listed in

1774
02:47:46,390 --> 02:47:55,170
the staff report, but basically they had a listening session and they ultimately

1775
02:47:55,170 --> 02:48:00,290
produced a report titled Community Forum on Racism Interactions with Lisa

1776
02:48:00,750 --> 02:48:07,150
Paloma. And I guess there was some issues prior. Reportedly prior to the release of this report,

1777
02:48:08,190 --> 02:48:11,890
where some of the groups didn't want to be. I guess participate in some of the findings of that report.

1778
02:48:12,530 --> 02:48:13,830
But anyway, the report was released.

1779
02:48:16,750 --> 02:48:20,050
And so that's that. I don't know what's happened at that

1780
02:48:20,050 --> 02:48:22,330
report of it then. It was released by the groups.

1781
02:48:24,350 --> 02:48:26,630
Around the same time, Paloma also hired the

1782
02:48:26,630 --> 02:48:36,570
to guide a city-led discussion and that facilitator begun by conducting interviews with community community members.

1783
02:48:36,810 --> 02:48:42,430
I think many of that led the previously mentioned community-led listening sessions.

1784
02:48:44,270 --> 02:48:48,110
And they also, the facilitator also developed a community survey.

1785
02:48:49,190 --> 02:49:07,210
So that was done, and that survey went through January of this year, and then in November of last year also the Police Department conducted a review of its diversity and quality inclusivity efforts term is DEI efforts.

1786
02:49:07,210 --> 02:49:14,410
The Police Department also, with the facilitator, participated in an uncomfortable conversations

1787
02:49:14,410 --> 02:49:17,870
with the black man, which some of you are maybe all of you have seen.

1788
02:49:18,090 --> 02:49:23,030
It was on YouTube and the link was provided in the staff.

1789
02:49:24,090 --> 02:49:30,610
And then most recently, in January of 2021, the City Council conducted a third public meeting

1790
02:49:30,610 --> 02:49:38,110
in a workshop format to review the efforts to date, in March then of this year, the Petteloma City Council

1791
02:49:38,110 --> 02:49:41,730
formed what they called an ad hoc community advisory committee,

1792
02:49:44,370 --> 02:49:45,550
and their purpose, their

1793
02:49:45,550 --> 02:49:49,950
state of purpose was to study and discuss issues contributing to contributing to community members,

1794
02:49:50,130 --> 02:49:54,810
not feeling safe, or welcome in Petteloma and to develop recommendations to a group diversity,

1795
02:49:55,930 --> 02:50:00,590
equity and inclusivity in Petteloma. And this is led by the facilitator that

1796
02:50:00,590 --> 02:50:10,090
I will hire, it's a 28 member group, 22 named seats for community groups and six out large seats that are appointed by the council.

1797
02:50:11,190 --> 02:50:18,070
They intend to meet six times over the course of 2021. I understand that they've met three of the six times.

1798
02:50:18,790 --> 02:50:24,270
The interest of minor correctional staff report, the intent isn't to facilitate or to provide

1799
02:50:24,270 --> 02:50:28,050
recommendations to the council thing to the process, obviously, to facilitate or

1800
02:50:28,050 --> 02:50:33,530
facilitating the process of the bigger resource to provide some recommendations.

1801
02:50:35,310 --> 02:50:39,610
And then, as we all know, Petaloma has contracted with Petaloma people services to one

1802
02:50:39,610 --> 02:50:46,490
of food-style programs 12 hours a day initially, starting in July of this year, and they do

1803
02:50:46,490 --> 02:50:55,490
10 to move to a full-time service by the end of 2021 and they're currently in the process of purchasing enough fitting bands to provide around a clock service.

1804
02:50:57,070 --> 02:51:01,350
So that's, and maybe the links to these things I talked about are directly linked to the staff reports.

1805
02:51:01,990 --> 02:51:06,010
So you can find this documents or web pages that have details.

1806
02:51:07,050 --> 02:51:09,090
But that's in a nutshell, that's Petaluma.

1807
02:51:09,990 --> 02:51:16,530
Runa Park conducted three facilitated listening sessions in 2020.

1808
02:51:18,210 --> 02:51:21,950
These were facilitated by Coro of Northern California,

1809
02:51:21,950 --> 02:51:23,190
so facilitated.

1810
02:51:24,610 --> 02:51:26,750
They weren't, City Council wasn't directly involved,

1811
02:51:27,010 --> 02:51:29,050
although I'm sure that they were participating

1812
02:51:29,050 --> 02:51:30,550
in listening to the conversation.

1813
02:51:35,090 --> 02:51:38,410
Currently, there's no add-off or standing committee.

1814
02:51:38,410 --> 02:51:41,690
of the council or any other body on this topic.

1815
02:51:42,710 --> 02:51:44,310
We are working with Horne Park as you know,

1816
02:51:44,570 --> 02:51:47,150
and with SSU on a college type model.

1817
02:51:47,450 --> 02:51:49,510
So that's in process right now.

1818
02:51:51,890 --> 02:51:56,670
And Renupark also has a facility to chat with the chief.

1819
02:51:56,710 --> 02:51:58,110
It's Facebook Live Zoom.

1820
02:51:58,310 --> 02:52:00,510
I'm not every two weeks, it's facilitated.

1821
02:52:01,070 --> 02:52:02,150
So they are doing that.

1822
02:52:03,010 --> 02:52:04,650
And one thing I overlooked in the staff report,

1823
02:52:04,850 --> 02:52:06,490
but I'll just tell you there quickly now.

1824
02:52:06,490 --> 02:52:23,330
In May, the Council did have a conversation for the conversation about this stuff, and the direction from that meeting was quarterly reports on activities that the staff will get to Council.

1825
02:52:23,330 --> 02:52:40,670
We're going to part is moving forward on some type of auditing process of their policies and it's training, including officer, a resiliency training, but I think also a liquidity that peppers to be training as well.

1826
02:52:41,450 --> 02:52:52,850
So that was the direction from May, maybe there was some conversation about coming up with a community engagement plan, but there's to my knowledge is nothing.

1827
02:52:52,850 --> 02:52:58,090
saw on what that engagement looks like, whether it's more workshops or what their intent is there.

1828
02:52:58,310 --> 02:53:01,070
I think they're planning to come back at a future meeting that conversation.

1829
02:53:03,910 --> 02:53:04,810
All right, Susanna Rosa.

1830
02:53:06,170 --> 02:53:10,030
They have a community engagement division, and they developed a community empowerment plan,

1831
02:53:10,490 --> 02:53:13,990
and they did a series of 15 listening sessions in 2020.

1832
02:53:15,650 --> 02:53:20,150
Each of those generally, each of those listening sessions started at different demographics.

1833
02:53:20,750 --> 02:53:26,110
So youth, seniors, by-pock, in a different, just basically different demographics.

1834
02:53:28,250 --> 02:53:29,610
They weren't city council meetings.

1835
02:53:31,750 --> 02:53:37,830
They were facilitated kind of listening sessions kind of, I think, like, when I parked it in a sense.

1836
02:53:38,190 --> 02:53:46,590
And then they did produce a, at the end of that listening session, they consolidated the comments received and put it into a report,

1837
02:53:46,590 --> 02:53:51,890
although it's unclear what recommendation may be implemented from those listening sessions.

1838
02:53:53,910 --> 02:53:59,010
The City Council, though, they did establish a free member public safety subcommittee in 2020.

1839
02:54:00,670 --> 02:54:03,210
Today, it met three times.

1840
02:54:03,810 --> 02:54:05,430
It was all in 2020.

1841
02:54:05,950 --> 02:54:14,330
And the purview of the subcommittee is reviewing public safety issues, any reports, and after action reports for police fire and emergency services.

1842
02:54:15,350 --> 02:54:19,430
Santa Rosa has also historically had it independent. We thought of her to review

1843
02:54:19,430 --> 02:54:24,270
police department practices and incidents, but since 2018 that position has been

1844
02:54:24,270 --> 02:54:24,790
vacant.

1845
02:54:27,630 --> 02:54:31,550
As recently as February of this year Santa Rosa, their public safety

1846
02:54:31,550 --> 02:54:36,050
self-committee in it, I think their council was indicated, the desire to

1847
02:54:36,050 --> 02:54:42,690
refill that, so I do know that they had reposted that RFP to try to get a new

1848
02:54:42,690 --> 02:54:46,170
It's my knowledge that they haven't hired them on this time.

1849
02:54:47,470 --> 02:54:49,410
So moving forward, the community empowerment plan

1850
02:54:49,410 --> 02:54:53,110
identified in the report to the City Council on community engagement activities

1851
02:54:53,110 --> 02:54:54,770
and progress towards each goal.

1852
02:54:55,250 --> 02:54:59,090
I presume this is coordinated by their community engagement division in Santa Rosa.

1853
02:55:00,190 --> 02:55:04,030
And lastly, they are implementing a crew, it's a type of model.

1854
02:55:04,250 --> 02:55:05,830
And as I think everyone knows here,

1855
02:55:06,590 --> 02:55:08,230
their models are a little different than what

1856
02:55:08,230 --> 02:55:14,310
has is dealing in this little different than what we are exploring. Santa Rosa is looking at

1857
02:55:15,550 --> 02:55:19,910
a slightly different model that would integrate the MST team and their Santa Rosa fire staff,

1858
02:55:21,130 --> 02:55:27,010
and Bucklew staff, so the nonprofit went all over the group into essentially rather than a two-person team,

1859
02:55:27,090 --> 02:55:28,670
a three-person team.

1860
02:55:31,820 --> 02:55:37,380
It's a lastly county of San Nomah. In the summer of 2020, the county board

1861
02:55:37,380 --> 02:55:43,060
supervisors created the office of equity and originally they were tasked with

1862
02:55:43,060 --> 02:55:49,840
improving vaccination rates for the Latinx populations. As I understand it now

1863
02:55:49,840 --> 02:55:53,040
they're generally tasked with working with county departments to improve

1864
02:55:53,040 --> 02:55:58,740
equity and county government. As we all saw at a council meeting they did also

1865
02:55:58,740 --> 02:56:04,560
improve their strategic plan in January of 2021 and that included the

1866
02:56:04,560 --> 02:56:08,960
five years strategic plan that included a racial equity and social justice pillar.

1867
02:56:11,960 --> 02:56:16,900
So I imagine that the office of equity is going to be in part tasked with implementing

1868
02:56:16,900 --> 02:56:18,380
some of that in county government.

1869
02:56:20,380 --> 02:56:23,680
And then finally, the voters approved measure P, providing broader oversight and increased

1870
02:56:23,680 --> 02:56:27,260
budget to the independent office of law enforcement review and outreach.

1871
02:56:27,580 --> 02:56:29,540
So I'll bear up as we all know it.

1872
02:56:29,680 --> 02:56:30,980
I don't know if it's oversea county sheriff.

1873
02:56:32,080 --> 02:56:36,240
The County Board of Supervisors does not have a network or advisory committee.

1874
02:56:36,460 --> 02:56:41,640
They do have a point to committee, though, including Iolera and the Commission on Human Rights.

1875
02:56:42,220 --> 02:56:47,380
And there's other health and human service commissions that have some sort of tie in the social

1876
02:56:47,380 --> 02:56:52,610
equities such as health and health action, health and health problems, but thank you.

1877
02:56:53,170 --> 02:56:59,530
So those, at least with any snowman county, those are the cities that are that are that have

1878
02:56:59,530 --> 02:57:06,110
on other things beyond just some of the basic measures that I mentioned, and I will just

1879
02:57:06,110 --> 02:57:12,510
recap what we're doing. I think we all know, I'm so happy quick about it, but what might

1880
02:57:12,510 --> 02:57:15,990
be of interest is sort of a update on where we stand with some of these measures.

1881
02:57:18,170 --> 02:57:18,610
So obviously,

1882
02:57:18,810 --> 02:57:25,770
I mean, we have a couple of times all last year, which if you know, RIPA, so RIPA is implementation

1883
02:57:25,770 --> 02:57:33,210
is complete, and we will be full operational July 1, which is the date that California

1884
02:57:33,210 --> 02:57:39,250
DOJA agreed to, so we'll be starting to submit data there on stops.

1885
02:57:41,250 --> 02:57:45,310
And then the underreport for the community, so we created the first annual report as you

1886
02:57:45,310 --> 02:57:50,890
know, and this is on the website, and this is just one of many annual reports that will continue

1887
02:57:50,890 --> 02:57:58,350
to do. Review the annual RIPA Board report, so this is the State RIPA Board I'm talking about,

1888
02:57:58,630 --> 02:58:04,230
which is one of the measures that we agreed to follow up on. So each year, they publish

1889
02:58:04,230 --> 02:58:13,110
and you report and the RIPA report for 2021 is out now. It covers 2019 data, but it's under

1890
02:58:13,110 --> 02:58:20,190
So, and I'm not to just in the future, we'll be coming back to the council, to have a conversation about that.

1891
02:58:22,110 --> 02:58:28,670
And then training, continuing to train officers upon post-standards, including the place of bias training and de-escalation training.

1892
02:58:28,910 --> 02:58:36,350
This is obviously not the only thing. Currently, police staff are taking an eight-hour course that's being held at Snowstaking University.

1893
02:58:36,350 --> 02:58:40,170
And it's on procedural justice in the list of bias.

1894
02:58:41,050 --> 02:58:43,990
So procedural justice basically means policing approaches

1895
02:58:43,990 --> 02:58:47,830
then a precise respect, listening neutrality and trust.

1896
02:58:48,850 --> 02:58:53,610
And then also studying the list of bias

1897
02:58:53,610 --> 02:58:55,070
that can be barriers to these approaches.

1898
02:58:55,930 --> 02:58:59,070
And I will say in this, we are unique in accounting

1899
02:58:59,070 --> 02:59:01,470
that the city is also sending all of our dispatchers.

1900
02:59:01,630 --> 02:59:04,530
Basically we're sending our entire police departments that.

1901
02:59:05,390 --> 02:59:12,190
And I think it's a good move even though other agencies aren't seeing any dispatchers because

1902
02:59:12,190 --> 02:59:16,270
they dispatchers oftentimes with their first contact with the public.

1903
02:59:17,490 --> 02:59:22,070
The one example in there that I was given, but there's others, it is like a suspicious person's

1904
02:59:22,070 --> 02:59:22,430
call.

1905
02:59:22,670 --> 02:59:26,530
It's good to have people that are thinking about this thinking in this way when they receive

1906
02:59:26,530 --> 02:59:32,190
these calls from the community so that it could potentially be a non-response or an alternative

1907
02:59:32,190 --> 02:59:37,610
of response, particularly when, if the council moves forward at the coups model, there could be

1908
02:59:37,610 --> 02:59:45,110
another sort of leg of the EMS response system besides just the diverse response for officers.

1909
02:59:48,320 --> 02:59:51,960
Updating this into a point form and making it available, so we did look at other cities,

1910
02:59:52,620 --> 02:59:56,240
um, complaint forms, we reviewed the RIPA board, state report boards,

1911
02:59:57,260 --> 02:59:59,960
recommended best practices for complaint forms, and we updated our complaints.

1912
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:04,380
The Foreign Minister on our website is live, so that's done.

1913
03:00:05,020 --> 03:00:08,620
Police has done a bit of legislative recommendations for now.

1914
03:00:10,120 --> 03:00:14,280
Community survey, racism that is complete.

1915
03:00:14,800 --> 03:00:18,080
That was proposed to be a financial process for two years.

1916
03:00:18,320 --> 03:00:20,480
We have a baseline to complete, so we come back every two years.

1917
03:00:22,820 --> 03:00:34,220
We are currently working with that third party to conduct the policy compliance review or audit per say of our policies, trainings and practices to make sure they're all aligned.

1918
03:00:35,140 --> 03:00:40,480
I do expect to report the summer that they're the summer that we're going to report to council.

1919
03:00:41,660 --> 03:00:47,480
So those are the measures that were originally, the stat was originally directed to the U.S.

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03:00:48,220 --> 03:00:53,180
fall, a couple of things that have come up since then that were also working on its goods.

1921
03:00:54,680 --> 03:01:00,980
In terms of our status there is that, is that we're currently in the data validation stage.

1922
03:01:00,980 --> 03:01:05,380
So the consultant there has all of our data combined data from our

1923
03:01:05,380 --> 03:01:11,880
work at Cardi and SSU and they're validating the data and putting that

1924
03:01:11,880 --> 03:01:17,040
together, the schedule we've been provided is that they will finish that

1925
03:01:17,040 --> 03:01:20,580
data validation work by the end of June. So I would expect the conversation

1926
03:01:20,580 --> 03:01:26,380
again on July about where we are with this. So simultaneous data efforts we're

1927
03:01:26,380 --> 03:01:34,040
of looking at the cost pieces, what would cost to purchase the vehicles, hard staff, so

1928
03:01:34,040 --> 03:01:39,300
for, so that's the other half of that question that hopefully they'll all be together

1929
03:01:39,300 --> 03:01:43,760
and able to have a fully informed discussion and July and what that would look like

1930
03:01:43,760 --> 03:01:45,520
and what that would mean with the cost perspective.

1931
03:01:47,640 --> 03:01:51,500
So that's, oh, and then the last thing is the use of force module,

1932
03:01:53,560 --> 03:01:55,080
so the system is very

1933
03:01:55,080 --> 03:01:59,380
robust that collects data, but there's a couple of things that have been a play.

1934
03:01:59,680 --> 03:02:04,300
One is the sort of evolving standard of what is defined as a use of force.

1935
03:02:06,200 --> 03:02:13,180
So, you know, last year what was defined as use of force got significantly more granular,

1936
03:02:13,440 --> 03:02:18,340
such as display of a firearm and other things like that, and became categorized as use of force.

1937
03:02:18,760 --> 03:02:24,220
So, there's that element, but then there's also that these systems were originally installed,

1938
03:02:24,220 --> 03:02:30,380
they're installed to crank out the data that's required by like DOJ or state DOJ, the kind

1939
03:02:30,380 --> 03:02:38,520
of normal statutory recording. Obviously we're in a different world now and we want the system

1940
03:02:38,520 --> 03:02:46,020
to be able to output basically capture all of the use of force elements with the new broader

1941
03:02:46,020 --> 03:02:50,920
definitions that we're using today and then be able to export it all easily so that we can

1942
03:02:50,920 --> 03:02:54,140
reporting, so that's what I think the council and the community

1943
03:02:54,140 --> 03:02:54,580
expects.

1944
03:02:56,020 --> 03:03:03,400
So we did work with SSU and SRKAC to design that template and turn

1945
03:03:03,400 --> 03:03:08,320
it on and it's currently done, but it's people are being trained

1946
03:03:08,320 --> 03:03:09,720
on the use of it right now.

1947
03:03:10,000 --> 03:03:11,460
So there's that, that's within the system.

1948
03:03:12,440 --> 03:03:16,620
But as I say the staff report, before the end of last year,

1949
03:03:16,720 --> 03:03:20,220
we designed our own internal process to track it and the

1950
03:03:20,220 --> 03:03:22,560
and until this use the course module about turned on.

1951
03:03:23,200 --> 03:03:24,900
So the next year in the report should have,

1952
03:03:24,940 --> 03:03:28,160
I think, all the data at our fingertips rather than it just being

1953
03:03:28,160 --> 03:03:31,200
embedded in the area of the reports, very hard to extract.

1954
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So that is quick summary of the background

1955
03:03:38,260 --> 03:03:39,880
of the word that the host is.

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03:03:40,180 --> 03:03:43,760
If I didn't mention a community, it's because there's nothing

1957
03:03:44,740 --> 03:03:47,040
specific to me on, and these were specific.

1958
03:03:50,150 --> 03:03:50,710
So,

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for the options, I won't rehash it in a lot of detail, but what's presented in the

1960
03:04:03,110 --> 03:04:09,710
South report are two superficial options that, and there's a conflict with me.

1961
03:04:09,710 --> 03:04:15,650
You know, constructive, and scale to address the specific set of facts and issues of the

1962
03:04:15,650 --> 03:04:20,750
body and one is continuing the efforts that we have on building right now and this year

1963
03:04:20,750 --> 03:04:29,850
we did. It takes us and then decide later if we need to do something else and I will say to

1964
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sort of underlying all these conversations is there's a lot of new stakeholder that's either

1965
03:04:33,550 --> 03:04:40,630
been recently passed or is pending so this is a continually shifting landscape as well

1966
03:04:40,630 --> 03:04:43,590
and children of legal landscape.

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And so this approach of course would continue to include

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the annual review of Ripper recommendations

1969
03:04:52,350 --> 03:04:56,030
and the annual reports and the justing things

1970
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based on best practices or specific issues

1971
03:04:58,830 --> 03:05:00,550
and the biennial community service.

1972
03:05:01,210 --> 03:05:04,050
So that's one potential option.

1973
03:05:04,650 --> 03:05:08,050
Another option is, that's discussed in the staff report

1974
03:05:08,050 --> 03:05:12,670
is forming a two-person ad hoc at the City Council, which, of course, would be supported by

1975
03:05:12,670 --> 03:05:18,530
City staff, because it's an ad hoc, it would have a 12-month maximum term.

1976
03:05:19,130 --> 03:05:23,750
The ad hoc, it could review city policies, training, provide recommendations to the full

1977
03:05:23,750 --> 03:05:30,090
City Council, a body of such as this, would be available to meet with any community stakeholders

1978
03:05:30,090 --> 03:05:35,170
to get feedback in the process of developing recommendations, and I think I'd be able to

1979
03:05:35,170 --> 03:05:38,430
which is monthly sort of report backs to the full council,

1980
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so the status updates are there.

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03:05:43,910 --> 03:05:47,390
The other thing that's not presented as a recommendation,

1982
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but it's obviously described in the background,

1983
03:05:51,650 --> 03:05:53,890
is like Petaluma, for example,

1984
03:05:54,590 --> 03:05:58,970
formed a community only ad hoc to work,

1985
03:05:59,490 --> 03:06:02,830
in that case with a facilitator and then work through.

1986
03:06:05,330 --> 03:06:10,210
work through the issues and then present potential recommendations to the council.

1987
03:06:12,990 --> 03:06:20,050
That's a, that's a, that's a whole other level of that becomes a brown act body and there's much more

1988
03:06:20,050 --> 03:06:24,250
sort of staff commitment to something like that.

1989
03:06:24,430 --> 03:06:30,870
There's a lot of administrative maintenance plus a lot of, it just creates a much deeper level

1990
03:06:30,870 --> 03:06:37,970
of research required, typically because, you know, you do have a assistance group and the

1991
03:06:37,970 --> 03:06:41,050
often don't know some of the basics, so there's a lot of, you know, research and

1992
03:06:41,050 --> 03:06:44,250
brain at the speed on the ground and a lot of research on legal questions or whatever

1993
03:06:44,250 --> 03:06:45,050
we're going to come from that.

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03:06:45,950 --> 03:06:52,170
So, at least the first flash it didn't seem like the most bang for the buck, but obviously

1995
03:06:52,170 --> 03:06:54,150
that's another option that's out there.

1996
03:06:54,670 --> 03:06:56,230
That's used in some other communities.

1997
03:06:57,910 --> 03:07:03,470
And then regardless of which way the Council wants to go tonight, another option, another sort

1998
03:07:03,470 --> 03:07:08,930
of add-on to any option, is the ability to have additional facilitated public work

1999
03:07:08,930 --> 03:07:16,790
jobs to get input community and potentially just continue to raise awareness about, as

2000
03:07:16,790 --> 03:07:22,330
says, the staff report implicit or unconscious bias, micro and macroaggressions, privilege

2001
03:07:22,330 --> 03:07:27,570
specific facility. Those kind of issues. Talking with people that do this work full-time

2002
03:07:28,610 --> 03:07:32,070
and looking at our community, the recommendation was if we did something like that, we would

2003
03:07:32,070 --> 03:07:37,610
do one and just sort of see how it went and decide if we need to do more based on the outcome of

2004
03:07:37,610 --> 03:07:44,330
that community workshop if we were to add on that as an optional. Obviously, if we do facilitate a work

2005
03:07:44,330 --> 03:07:50,610
that will cost some level money in, that would just be something we'd have to consider. It's not

2006
03:07:50,610 --> 03:07:53,590
any questions we'd have to have that in.

2007
03:07:55,590 --> 03:07:58,730
And I think that is sort of a summary.

2008
03:07:58,870 --> 03:08:01,450
I don't want to keep on talking because I'm sure the council

2009
03:08:01,450 --> 03:08:04,970
on the public have many thoughts on this.

2010
03:08:05,030 --> 03:08:06,410
So I'll just end it at that.

2011
03:08:06,630 --> 03:08:07,670
I'd be happy to answer any questions.

2012
03:08:09,900 --> 03:08:10,720
Thank you, Mr. David.

2013
03:08:11,420 --> 03:08:15,680
That's quite a lot of work went into this.

2014
03:08:15,760 --> 03:08:17,140
A lot of research went into this.

2015
03:08:19,300 --> 03:08:21,620
At this point, I'll bring back to the council.

2016
03:08:21,620 --> 03:08:23,820
I'll take that any questions from Mr. Ovid.

2017
03:08:24,500 --> 03:08:25,320
How do you remember Sparks?

2018
03:08:26,640 --> 03:08:27,040
Thank you.

2019
03:08:27,260 --> 03:08:31,000
I just have some quick comments on the presentation,

2020
03:08:31,100 --> 03:08:32,440
and I'll see you in the comments for later.

2021
03:08:32,800 --> 03:08:37,280
I just wanted to say a big thank you to Mr. Ovid

2022
03:08:37,280 --> 03:08:39,380
for putting together all this extensive research.

2023
03:08:39,400 --> 03:08:40,520
It was really helpful.

2024
03:08:41,120 --> 03:08:43,500
And there were several things I wasn't aware of,

2025
03:08:43,620 --> 03:08:48,620
which I really want to give a kudos to council member,

2026
03:08:48,620 --> 03:08:58,840
I almost promoted council member to Mr. Obed and Chief Parish, which is I'm really happy to hear about the procedural justice training.

2027
03:08:59,000 --> 03:09:09,920
I'm looking forward to seeing that policy compliance review and I'm satisfied to hear we were being together with our University of Junior College to make that easy for us much also.

2028
03:09:10,180 --> 03:09:13,620
I just appreciate hearing about all that and thank you for that.

2029
03:09:14,620 --> 03:09:15,660
Thank you.

2030
03:09:20,380 --> 03:09:23,080
And a comment you'd question from the council at this point?

2031
03:09:26,690 --> 03:09:27,050
Okay.

2032
03:09:29,350 --> 03:09:31,310
I will open this up for public comment.

2033
03:09:33,760 --> 03:09:35,460
Thank you, Mayor Moore, for our attendees tonight.

2034
03:09:35,620 --> 03:09:37,000
Please use your raise hand icon.

2035
03:09:38,040 --> 03:09:38,920
Adrian Lobby, go ahead.

2036
03:09:45,800 --> 03:09:46,840
Thank you very much.

2037
03:09:47,180 --> 03:09:49,680
Thanks for bringing up this issue again.

2038
03:09:50,860 --> 03:09:54,020
It's a very serious issue as we know.

2039
03:09:55,440 --> 03:09:58,620
And I've been thinking about our town and how much we treasure

2040
03:09:58,620 --> 03:10:03,680
the way that we are here and, you know, we call it charming or we call it small.

2041
03:10:04,020 --> 03:10:05,580
It's ways we talk about it.

2042
03:10:06,220 --> 03:10:09,380
But to me, basically, it says we all get along here.

2043
03:10:10,420 --> 03:10:13,220
And we have some sense of harmony.

2044
03:10:14,400 --> 03:10:20,000
But, of course, the survey that came out around racism show that there's some cracks in all of that.

2045
03:10:20,200 --> 03:10:24,460
And I think, as we look to the future, we're going to see more and more people with color

2046
03:10:24,460 --> 03:10:33,580
and also, frankly, more portable, coming in to Utah, and I really hope that we can get ahead

2047
03:10:33,580 --> 03:10:39,860
of that earth and continue the kind of harmony that whatever amount of harmony we already have,

2048
03:10:40,060 --> 03:10:46,120
and build on it so that we don't end up having a lot of racial tension since we become less white.

2049
03:10:48,400 --> 03:10:51,500
I also want to say how amazing the work has been done.

2050
03:10:51,680 --> 03:10:55,960
I think that the Council and the staff have taken this really seriously.

2051
03:10:56,320 --> 03:11:01,270
There's a lot of good stuff in this report that is impressive work that's been done.

2052
03:11:01,900 --> 03:11:04,580
And data that we will be able to use to go forward.

2053
03:11:04,740 --> 03:11:06,500
And that's also really excellent.

2054
03:11:07,460 --> 03:11:14,020
The things I'm concerned about and most want to see is tips and involvement and education.

2055
03:11:14,020 --> 03:11:20,740
I think that all of us, because of George Floyd and all of these surrounding understanding

2056
03:11:20,740 --> 03:11:26,620
of how deep and wide racism is in our culture, we realize that we really need to educate

2057
03:11:26,620 --> 03:11:31,240
each other and we need to get down in the weeds about what's really going on, what needs

2058
03:11:31,240 --> 03:11:37,440
to change whether it's police policy or cultural, or cultural, or cultural kinds of things.

2059
03:11:38,540 --> 03:11:43,340
I have to say I was very disappointed in the options that you were given by the staff,

2060
03:11:43,340 --> 03:11:50,000
to either do nothing about an ad hoc committee or to do an ad hoc committee with only two council members.

2061
03:11:50,760 --> 03:11:56,600
I understand the Brown Act is a big issue here, but I see in San Ensemble and at the SRKC,

2062
03:11:57,200 --> 03:12:03,560
they have very robust committees that include citizen involvement, include powerful people and involvement.

2063
03:12:04,620 --> 03:12:08,920
And I'd like to see that here, and I'm not sure if we can get there with the options that we're giving.

2064
03:12:08,920 --> 03:12:16,440
And in talking with some of you ahead of time, I was amazed to find that people think that

2065
03:12:16,440 --> 03:12:21,160
core that our main goal is to oversee the police.

2066
03:12:21,940 --> 03:12:25,580
That is of course really important because they're guys with guns.

2067
03:12:26,700 --> 03:12:35,660
But our goal is to improve racial harmony in the city and please don't misunderstand what we're

2068
03:12:35,660 --> 03:12:40,080
coming from. We want to work collaboratively. We want to help you with your efforts, not

2069
03:12:40,080 --> 03:12:45,580
him or them, and that doesn't work you with the police as well. Thank you. Thank you.

2070
03:12:49,200 --> 03:12:50,900
Can you let Delario go ahead?

2071
03:13:00,740 --> 03:13:05,720
Yes. Okay, great. Yeah, hi. I'm Daniela Delario,

2072
03:13:05,960 --> 03:13:12,340
or Daniel. I live in downtown, Utah. They actually live at Frogsong. And I just, you know,

2073
03:13:12,440 --> 03:13:16,620
first and foremost, I'm also a member of core. But I first and foremost just wanted to thank

2074
03:13:16,620 --> 03:13:20,060
all of you for all of the hard work that you've done around these issues.

2075
03:13:20,960 --> 03:13:26,180
I'm really excited about so many things that are happening in Katati, especially the

2076
03:13:26,180 --> 03:13:26,900
Kuhuts program.

2077
03:13:27,280 --> 03:13:34,340
That's been kind of my biggest, I don't know, I just, I think if there's only one thing

2078
03:13:34,340 --> 03:13:38,380
that we could do, it would just be great if we could, you know, get the Kuhuts model going

2079
03:13:38,380 --> 03:13:42,100
and I really appreciate all of the hard work that's gone into that and then all these

2080
03:13:42,100 --> 03:13:45,420
other things that Mr. Ovid just laid out for us.

2081
03:13:45,420 --> 03:13:52,180
thank you so much. I do feel like an ad hoc committee would provide this space for brainstorming

2082
03:13:52,180 --> 03:13:58,320
and discussion on how we can make a Katati and more diverse, more inclusive, more welcoming

2083
03:13:58,320 --> 03:14:05,080
place for people with different backgrounds and overall more equitable for everyone and just thinking

2084
03:14:05,080 --> 03:14:15,400
of some things that maybe would come up in an ad hoc committee or some things that would be

2085
03:14:15,400 --> 03:14:20,740
the Katati logo, which I know has been brought up at City Council meetings before, creating

2086
03:14:20,740 --> 03:14:27,780
some events, maybe international festivals, but also engaging in an ongoing dialogue that includes

2087
03:14:27,780 --> 03:14:32,840
diverse viewpoints. And I know City Council has done so much already.

2088
03:14:35,180 --> 03:14:41,440
I had a Luma House this ad hoc committee that we heard about, and I'm just really wondering if Katati

2089
03:14:41,440 --> 03:14:47,160
could have one as well. I do think it would be beneficial for, you know, to give members of the

2090
03:14:47,160 --> 03:14:53,780
public seat at the table and to hear from more diverse voices, people of color, black people,

2091
03:14:53,900 --> 03:14:59,980
brown people, and other people of color in the community. And yeah, people of color.

2092
03:15:00,110 --> 03:15:28,190
I have been, you know, my understandings, they have been leaving cinnamon county because of a high cost of living. And also the police response last year at the Black Lives Matter protests that that felt really scary for people who went out and were protesting and were peacefully protesting. There was a very strong police response. And I know personally I know people who don't feel safe in cinnamon county anymore because of that police response.

2093
03:15:30,090 --> 03:15:34,330
Yeah, so I'm hoping that we can we can create an ad hoc committee.

2094
03:15:34,870 --> 03:15:41,330
I also love the idea of additional facilitated workshops so that you can hear from from the community more.

2095
03:15:42,370 --> 03:15:46,510
But yeah, so overall, thank you so much and I'm hoping that we can make this happen here.

2096
03:15:48,290 --> 03:15:49,010
Thank you very much.

2097
03:15:51,110 --> 03:15:52,510
My

2098
03:16:01,120 --> 03:16:20,980
first word is from the report that was just presented is very inclusive and complete and I share

2099
03:16:20,980 --> 03:16:32,040
in the congratulations that the last two speakers have given for that work. I have a couple

2100
03:16:32,040 --> 03:16:45,880
questions in the report and I don't know how to handle this. I made a note on number 7

2101
03:16:49,140 --> 03:17:00,250
And I've not been able to go back to that report to look that up so that I can be clearer about my question.

2102
03:17:01,470 --> 03:17:03,390
My apologies for that.

2103
03:17:03,830 --> 03:17:10,550
But if somebody knows what that is about and can let me know that would be wonderful.

2104
03:17:10,550 --> 03:17:11,690
So,

2105
03:17:14,080 --> 03:17:17,440
our police sports look like our community,

2106
03:17:21,600 --> 03:17:23,860
many women are on it.

2107
03:17:24,040 --> 03:17:27,220
How many officers, I don't mean in the office.

2108
03:17:28,200 --> 03:17:30,500
How diverse is it?

2109
03:17:34,390 --> 03:17:47,090
Does one get input from smaller groups of people who historically do not complain and especially

2110
03:17:47,090 --> 03:17:51,770
away from groups of people who are immigrant who don't want to make waves.

2111
03:17:54,960 --> 03:18:06,320
The first model that was presented that Damian presented comes closest to being able to access

2112
03:18:06,320 --> 03:18:13,920
what's going on with those folks in our community because there are many people here who

2113
03:18:13,920 --> 03:18:18,280
don't want to make waves.

2114
03:18:20,620 --> 03:18:25,760
And we need those waves. We need to know where we are doing well

2115
03:18:25,760 --> 03:18:34,060
and where we are not doing well. The work that all of you on the City Council and on the

2116
03:18:34,060 --> 03:18:45,280
have to do is tremendously busy and amazing that you get it done. And that's why there are

2117
03:18:45,280 --> 03:18:56,100
those of us who feel that some things could be expanded to the community, trained community

2118
03:18:56,100 --> 03:19:02,320
members, and I'm going to stop there because my time is over. Thank you.

2119
03:19:04,360 --> 03:19:11,360
Mr. Forbes shares if you needed any additional and it's just a few more seconds for additional comment. I will allow that

2120
03:19:25,490 --> 03:19:30,510
Mayor more that will end up public a book one minute. We've got a hand up Carol go ahead

2121
03:19:53,400 --> 03:20:00,200
of the city has done an excellent job of bringing together all the work that's being

2122
03:20:00,200 --> 03:20:07,720
done throughout the county to deal with inclusion and operational issues.

2123
03:20:09,640 --> 03:20:23,380
And the recommendation of a two person city council committee is if it ends up being

2124
03:20:23,380 --> 03:20:33,020
And the City Council does not choose to form an at-hot committee or call it call that into being.

2125
03:20:33,160 --> 03:20:41,840
Which I can understand because it would involve the Brown Act and a lot of work and issues to set it up.

2126
03:20:42,000 --> 03:20:55,220
But if you do have the two-person City Council committee, I think it would be important to make people aware that

2127
03:20:55,220 --> 03:21:04,260
of it. And for the members who end up on that committee to be reaching out to debt people

2128
03:21:04,260 --> 03:21:12,920
to come and if they set up meetings to be going to speak and to bring their issues forward.

2129
03:21:14,140 --> 03:21:21,060
And that may be harder to do if it's just two council members that would be if there was

2130
03:21:23,660 --> 03:21:41,380
I think it's important to choose those council members wisely and be sure that they're committed to pursuing the issues that need to be addressed.

2131
03:21:45,000 --> 03:21:46,080
Thank you.

2132
03:21:49,290 --> 03:21:51,090
Mayor Moore, that will end the public comment.

2133
03:21:52,550 --> 03:21:53,130
Thank you.

2134
03:21:54,010 --> 03:21:59,010
With that, I will bring this back to the Council for further discussion.

2135
03:22:02,020 --> 03:22:02,480
I'm so forward.

2136
03:22:04,240 --> 03:22:05,320
Thank you, Mayor Moore.

2137
03:22:06,560 --> 03:22:09,680
I've been wrestling with this a little since the packet came out.

2138
03:22:09,880 --> 03:22:13,360
My first response to the options presented in the packet either.

2139
03:22:14,660 --> 03:22:18,160
Well, first of all, the two options presented are not mutually exclusive, right?

2140
03:22:18,340 --> 03:22:21,160
I hope we agree that number one in the packet is given.

2141
03:22:21,500 --> 03:22:24,040
We continue with the efforts currently underway.

2142
03:22:24,040 --> 03:22:30,580
So I hope that that's not controversial, and the issue is really, do we try to set up any structure

2143
03:22:30,580 --> 03:22:33,560
to explore issues of racism and the totany anymore?

2144
03:22:34,960 --> 03:22:40,800
I first was disappointed that there was not a third option of a bigger, more representative

2145
03:22:41,500 --> 03:22:42,060
group.

2146
03:22:43,120 --> 03:22:49,360
But I do understand a constraints that the Brown Act places on what bodies can do, and I've tried

2147
03:22:49,360 --> 03:22:55,200
and I pay attention to what pedaling this brand active committee has been going through and

2148
03:22:55,200 --> 03:23:03,300
and have not real excited about the potential for that committee to make a big difference

2149
03:23:03,300 --> 03:23:03,860
in that community.

2150
03:23:03,980 --> 03:23:08,580
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm a little worried about that direction.

2151
03:23:09,120 --> 03:23:16,580
So the two-person council committee, given that we just instituted a new top level committee council

2152
03:23:16,580 --> 03:23:24,080
for the year related to diversity and inclusion and given that we're a year out from George Floyd's

2153
03:23:24,080 --> 03:23:32,760
murder and that brought to the fore a lot of issues that run very deep in our society.

2154
03:23:33,980 --> 03:23:41,740
I think that two-person council committee is a reasonable first step for those people and we

2155
03:23:41,740 --> 03:23:47,840
and frame it as a committee whose charge has to do with that new council goal.

2156
03:23:48,280 --> 03:23:54,780
We could think about, okay, this is a new council goal, it's a sign a couple of us to really

2157
03:23:54,780 --> 03:24:02,700
look at that for a year, including I would hope getting out into the community in ways that

2158
03:24:02,700 --> 03:24:08,240
a Brown Act committee can't. So if a couple of us were this group, we could go meet with homeowners

2159
03:24:08,240 --> 03:24:15,340
associations, just like Damian and Keith Barrish have been doing or in conjunction with them

2160
03:24:15,340 --> 03:24:22,440
or something like that. And so I'm coming around to see that what I would have hoped would be a

2161
03:24:22,440 --> 03:24:28,720
middle option in the report that option number two as being a viable path. Thanks.

2162
03:24:30,760 --> 03:24:31,340
Thank you.

2163
03:24:31,340 --> 03:24:42,100
Thank you. I have some comments that before I get to them. Could I please ask for a little clarification on the question that Marjorie

2164
03:24:42,100 --> 03:24:48,890
compsures raised about the third party compliance review just to clarify that for listeners a little bit?

2165
03:24:50,900 --> 03:24:57,820
Yeah sure. So, I mean third party just panerically means it's not anyone related to you or connected with the city. It's an outside

2166
03:25:00,540 --> 03:25:07,860
that's brought in with, you know, obviously with no vested stakes in the conversation,

2167
03:25:08,020 --> 03:25:09,800
and there's looking at the policy compliance.

2168
03:25:11,600 --> 03:25:13,520
That's basically what it means.

2169
03:25:14,040 --> 03:25:15,080
Thank you, Mr. Abbott.

2170
03:25:16,360 --> 03:25:23,040
So I was also a discipline in it first, not to see an option that included community members.

2171
03:25:23,040 --> 03:25:35,000
I know that involving the community and really truly engaging them, it can be messy and it's always a trade-off between engagement and efficiency.

2172
03:25:36,540 --> 03:25:50,060
That said, I originally thought that it was very important to make that trade-off and to involve the community members with the receipt of the table because primarily because our council is white

2173
03:25:50,060 --> 03:25:53,980
And that concludes the opportunity for any people

2174
03:25:53,980 --> 03:25:58,900
color to participate in a formal way on a committee.

2175
03:25:59,220 --> 03:26:02,000
If it's only composed of city council members.

2176
03:26:02,680 --> 03:26:05,100
That said, I've been doing a lot of thinking about

2177
03:26:05,100 --> 03:26:06,000
this over the weekend.

2178
03:26:07,140 --> 03:26:10,320
And I am starting to come around also onto the idea

2179
03:26:10,320 --> 03:26:12,920
of a two person committee, because I do see that that

2180
03:26:12,920 --> 03:26:15,960
gives a lot of possibilities that would be a lot more

2181
03:26:15,960 --> 03:26:26,120
difficult to work through on a larger committee. So I am open to Option 2. I would be very disappointed

2182
03:26:26,120 --> 03:26:34,020
if we went with Option 1, which to me is an option to not investigate this further.

2183
03:26:49,730 --> 03:26:52,470
So I'll leave

2184
03:26:52,470 --> 03:27:01,750
to some members of the public on the subject. I agree with council member Ford. I think that

2185
03:27:01,750 --> 03:27:10,210
the items really need to be mutually exclusive. I think it's important we've come like so far

2186
03:27:10,210 --> 03:27:17,110
from a year ago. Look at all of the things as witness in the report that have happened. I want to see

2187
03:27:17,110 --> 03:27:26,870
those continue. I want to see those things improved where they can improve as Damian pointed out,

2188
03:27:26,950 --> 03:27:35,810
you know, as this whole thing evolves from a state and national perspective, I think we can always make improvements.

2189
03:27:36,930 --> 03:27:47,350
As far as a committee, so there's a lot of structure when you have a brown at committee.

2190
03:27:48,170 --> 03:27:53,690
You know, people have to do filings and they have to take trainings and they have to, you know,

2191
03:27:54,290 --> 03:27:59,570
the meetings have to be scheduled and you have to be there at a certain time and they have to, you know,

2192
03:27:59,570 --> 03:28:10,930
the public has to be led in, that structure I think doesn't necessarily allow for a lot

2193
03:28:10,930 --> 03:28:12,190
of brainstorming.

2194
03:28:12,450 --> 03:28:18,570
So for instance, when we see brainstorming happen, even in our regular city things, we'll

2195
03:28:18,570 --> 03:28:23,770
have a special study session, you know, typically on a neighbor, we can, you know, not a regular

2196
03:28:23,770 --> 03:28:26,870
meeting and less formal people are in the audience.

2197
03:28:28,510 --> 03:28:36,130
So my hope is that we sounds like we have the police things going on a good trajectory

2198
03:28:36,750 --> 03:28:42,890
and hopefully they will stay that way, hopefully we'll do more and get the coots thing going.

2199
03:28:42,890 --> 03:28:56,830
I am interested in pursuing possibilities that may be out there for our community to be inclusive.

2200
03:28:57,530 --> 03:29:03,970
I think that those things that are listed that we've done don't necessarily address that,

2201
03:29:03,970 --> 03:29:14,930
We haven't had any special sessions on that specifically, most of the stuff that we've had special sessions on has been related to the police.

2202
03:29:16,170 --> 03:29:19,630
I do hope that people would participate.

2203
03:29:20,450 --> 03:29:31,130
I think that the option of having a council add the hot committee releases us from that formality.

2204
03:29:31,130 --> 03:29:35,510
we can meet whenever we want, wherever we want,

2205
03:29:36,130 --> 03:29:38,850
how we want and really spend, you know,

2206
03:29:39,050 --> 03:29:41,590
if we want to spend, you know, an hour we can,

2207
03:29:41,670 --> 03:29:43,650
if we want to spend four hours we can.

2208
03:29:43,790 --> 03:29:47,370
You know, there's no, we're not committed to

2209
03:29:48,290 --> 03:29:53,810
the public rigidness that comes with a brownout committee.

2210
03:29:54,150 --> 03:29:59,870
And I think that that's more conducive in my opinion.

2211
03:30:00,020 --> 03:30:22,760
To coming up with these brainstorming kinds of things that may be beneficial to our community. So that's why I thought that that has the most promise for us to fair it out, some possible things to see where our weaknesses are, where can we approve?

2212
03:30:22,760 --> 03:30:27,540
We did prove that's fine, but please stop where can we improve on other things?

2213
03:30:28,580 --> 03:30:32,120
So that's my two cents for right now.

2214
03:30:32,940 --> 03:30:34,420
Thank you, Vice Mayor Lenin?

2215
03:30:40,280 --> 03:30:41,460
Yeah, no.

2216
03:30:42,280 --> 03:30:44,720
Again, another good discussion tonight, you know.

2217
03:30:45,620 --> 03:30:48,540
When I read this, and when I listen tonight, I have to read.

2218
03:30:48,580 --> 03:30:51,280
When I heard this described that in the communication with Dr.

2219
03:30:51,280 --> 03:30:54,100
And against the night is option one is do nothing.

2220
03:30:54,100 --> 03:31:03,860
I was disappointed because in my personal perception, what I heard privately from my discussions for some of the citizens involved in this, and again tonight,

2221
03:31:03,980 --> 03:31:11,660
and everybody was a message that what we done was actually considerable, appreciate it, and actually notable.

2222
03:31:12,120 --> 03:31:18,020
So I have difficulty calling that in nothing. Having said that, I agree, yeah, no.

2223
03:31:18,020 --> 03:31:25,500
It's obvious. Number one is an ongoing. No matter what we do tonight, I see this whole process is an ongoing thing that

2224
03:31:26,060 --> 03:31:30,300
Comes back is checked in and reassess and he has to so that's a given

2225
03:31:30,300 --> 03:31:37,840
So one goes without saying I was not as terribly understood in number two at least at first

2226
03:31:38,680 --> 03:31:42,100
But after talking with members of the public when I heard tonight

2227
03:31:42,100 --> 03:31:46,240
The interest seems to be really for kind of a more narrow

2228
03:31:46,240 --> 03:31:56,140
at what that's focused, how is it put a discussion on continuing harm? I like that. Essentially,

2229
03:31:56,620 --> 03:32:00,600
Kentucky, Kentucky isn't welcoming friendly place. How do we continue that? How do we improve?

2230
03:32:01,980 --> 03:32:10,300
I think I would have a hard time saying no to having something that helps out the discussion. Clearly,

2231
03:32:10,300 --> 03:32:15,300
It would have to be focused on things, certainly to the city can affect.

2232
03:32:16,220 --> 03:32:21,160
I'm not sure what might be left, but I think we have to give it the try of nothing useful arises.

2233
03:32:21,800 --> 03:32:27,420
Or if we can't, despite everyone's best efforts, get a lot as much public input as we'd like.

2234
03:32:27,960 --> 03:32:33,320
At least we can say, alright, we've made the other people are busy with their lives, perhaps, or some degree of satisfaction.

2235
03:32:34,440 --> 03:32:35,760
Maybe that's a good thing.

2236
03:32:36,300 --> 03:32:37,940
I like that this is focused.

2237
03:32:37,940 --> 03:32:53,170
We have two separate cracks. I think we've got a good police track. I'm satisfied with it with that if this addbox would be focused simply away from the police issue and focus on the issues identified by core

2238
03:32:54,380 --> 03:33:01,120
How do we make a total of well? How do we reduce racism as a society in what part could the city benefit and play it?

2239
03:33:01,960 --> 03:33:09,340
those sorts of things, I could certainly support that as well. As far as facilitated public

2240
03:33:09,340 --> 03:33:15,120
workshops for 5K of peace, I don't know if we need that, but I will note that there's

2241
03:33:15,120 --> 03:33:19,940
my colleagues have suggested, and as I suggest, there's some of our members of the public,

2242
03:33:20,600 --> 03:33:28,080
and our end-hawks can, and should, have in discussions with members of the public, with people

2243
03:33:28,080 --> 03:33:33,900
who are interested. Those members of the public can help those council members find people to participate.

2244
03:33:34,280 --> 03:33:38,660
This is something that will all share won't be just the two people if we go that route assigned.

2245
03:33:38,900 --> 03:33:43,840
I would expect those who are interested to try and find people who actually want to participate.

2246
03:33:44,720 --> 03:33:52,360
And the benefit of this, one complaint I've heard, a frustration with the structure of city council meetings,

2247
03:33:52,360 --> 03:33:59,180
the limits on speaking the originality of it. You lose that with an add-up. You can sit and have

2248
03:33:59,180 --> 03:34:07,300
in depth conversations and presents things as you wish. So I do think even though perhaps not

2249
03:34:08,140 --> 03:34:12,260
everybody was initially warned number two, I wasn't either, honestly.

2250
03:34:15,310 --> 03:34:17,510
It works. It'll work well enough.

2251
03:34:17,710 --> 03:34:23,110
And if it can be focused, just on the things we've talked about and leave the police to the track

2252
03:34:23,110 --> 03:34:28,070
have already set up and not duplicate that, that work. I could support that.

2253
03:34:33,980 --> 03:34:40,980
Contrary for fourth. I'm almost fully in agreement with Vice-Meralainman. The one thing I'm

2254
03:34:40,980 --> 03:34:45,000
not willing to do is tie the hands of the committee to say you can't talk about a particular

2255
03:34:45,000 --> 03:34:52,620
thing that clearly impacts people's lives. I don't think Chief Paris would want to be locked

2256
03:34:52,620 --> 03:34:58,620
out of the discussion about how people experience life and impotity.

2257
03:34:59,860 --> 03:35:07,860
So I would like to frame the charge of such a committee to be, unfortunately, I don't

2258
03:35:07,860 --> 03:35:16,260
have it in my fingertips, but I would like to have our new council goal in front of me and

2259
03:35:16,260 --> 03:35:24,860
and frame this committee around that, that council roll, which may involve conversations with

2260
03:35:24,860 --> 03:35:28,560
Chief Parisian police, I don't think that's an issue.

2261
03:35:29,400 --> 03:35:34,600
I do wish you're saying this before, but remember, we've had an ongoing process for about

2262
03:35:34,600 --> 03:35:39,300
half a year, and it's now a permanent continuing process to do just that.

2263
03:35:39,560 --> 03:35:45,700
And as far as input discussion, we have a process of public-crossed the council, as well

2264
03:35:45,700 --> 03:35:50,700
has any kind of somebody privately wants to talk in greater depth with the council member,

2265
03:35:50,920 --> 03:35:53,240
or with staff, they can certainly do that.

2266
03:35:53,360 --> 03:35:58,040
I'm not locking out discussions of the police, but I would like to limit this particular

2267
03:35:58,040 --> 03:36:00,860
ad hoc, just to those issues that core identified.

2268
03:36:01,620 --> 03:36:06,180
What I heard from the community in my discussions was the thing weren't, they were more

2269
03:36:06,180 --> 03:36:11,580
interested in general issues of openness, wealthiness, and totality, and not so much of

2270
03:36:11,580 --> 03:36:16,480
to make this at all part of policing, and that worked for me.

2271
03:36:16,880 --> 03:36:20,740
So that's kind of something that I don't really want to move on.

2272
03:36:20,820 --> 03:36:22,480
Not because I don't think there's value in it.

2273
03:36:22,540 --> 03:36:23,360
I agree with it.

2274
03:36:23,360 --> 03:36:25,500
Because I feel number one, we've done it.

2275
03:36:25,540 --> 03:36:26,340
We've done it well.

2276
03:36:26,740 --> 03:36:29,260
And we're already committed to continuing to do it.

2277
03:36:29,260 --> 03:36:32,060
So I don't want to have two separate tracks going.

2278
03:36:32,140 --> 03:36:35,020
Because I've seen that go in problematic ways

2279
03:36:35,020 --> 03:36:36,800
in the past in my experience.

2280
03:36:39,810 --> 03:36:44,850
Do respect that, believe what you're proposing is that we have two separate tracks going on rather than

2281
03:36:46,870 --> 03:36:50,810
subcommittee that can talk about all those issues with all the people.

2282
03:36:51,870 --> 03:36:53,570
Well, I agree to them.

2283
03:36:53,890 --> 03:36:56,830
By its nature, then we already have been working on this.

2284
03:36:56,930 --> 03:36:59,610
This is number one set to be in the thinking to do this.

2285
03:36:59,910 --> 03:37:04,070
Support in the ad hoc is already advocating that and making two separate things.

2286
03:37:04,650 --> 03:37:09,290
I'm willing to go that far, but I don't want it.

2287
03:37:09,290 --> 03:37:09,990
All

2288
03:37:12,650 --> 03:37:18,130
right, you may have to see how people are feeling about limiting what the ad hoc can talk about and not.

2289
03:37:18,130 --> 03:37:18,310
I'm not.

2290
03:37:18,390 --> 03:37:22,530
Well, we'll send you people off to a Knappoc to say you can't talk about this and.

2291
03:37:22,570 --> 03:37:24,750
Well, I think you're right, let's.

2292
03:37:24,770 --> 03:37:27,410
Well, I would like to ask the mayor to do this.

2293
03:37:27,410 --> 03:37:28,410
This will make you clarity.

2294
03:37:28,550 --> 03:37:33,950
Do we feel that we need to include policing and please oversight in the ad hoc at this time?

2295
03:37:34,790 --> 03:37:35,730
I think that's the question.

2296
03:37:35,850 --> 03:37:39,470
The question is do we feel like the need to prohibit to two of our colleagues?

2297
03:37:39,570 --> 03:37:40,490
No, I'm trying to.

2298
03:37:40,490 --> 03:37:46,070
question if you'd like to frame a different one if I could finish? Thank you. I'd

2299
03:37:46,070 --> 03:37:50,610
actually like to have a person in the mayor, possibly. Thanks man. I'd like to ask

2300
03:37:50,610 --> 03:37:54,570
the mayor if we could have a straw poll, please. Please, please, oversight and have

2301
03:37:54,570 --> 03:37:59,990
often this time. Basically, a thumb was up with me. No, we do not want to include this

2302
03:37:59,990 --> 03:38:05,230
or a thumbs down would be, yes, add, please, into the discussion. And wherever the majority

2303
03:38:05,230 --> 03:38:09,610
know us, then that settles it in your right. That way, the easier for us to get to our

2304
03:38:10,390 --> 03:38:11,790
and we'll have better direction.

2305
03:38:12,110 --> 03:38:14,370
So I'm going to fully support asking the mayor

2306
03:38:14,370 --> 03:38:16,330
if you could just lead us through this right now

2307
03:38:16,330 --> 03:38:17,770
and see what the majority is at.

2308
03:38:17,970 --> 03:38:19,390
And again, I want to underline it.

2309
03:38:19,550 --> 03:38:21,070
This is not supporting that discussion.

2310
03:38:21,430 --> 03:38:25,370
We've been doing that since before you guys are on the council,

2311
03:38:25,730 --> 03:38:26,950
we've been doing this for a while.

2312
03:38:27,090 --> 03:38:28,850
We're committed to continuing to do it.

2313
03:38:29,170 --> 03:38:30,090
But I don't want to do it.

2314
03:38:30,170 --> 03:38:31,550
I'm willing to take a new round of off,

2315
03:38:31,650 --> 03:38:33,010
and I think most of itself.

2316
03:38:33,650 --> 03:38:38,070
Even though I'm not sure what benefits in a man

2317
03:38:38,070 --> 03:38:42,590
not green but I don't want to duplicate this over there that I'm not

2318
03:38:42,590 --> 03:38:49,610
supported about so we'll leave it back to see where we got. I am we still got

2319
03:38:49,610 --> 03:38:53,730
some questions in the floor. Vice-management. So let me come back here or request

2320
03:38:53,730 --> 03:39:04,650
on that third one and where you're done. Contrary for now yes thanks. Contrary

2321
03:39:04,650 --> 03:39:19,490
Thank you, Mr. Rare. I would also feel that it would be doing a disservice to what the potential of this process is to limit what they could talk about.

2322
03:39:21,630 --> 03:39:30,230
I really do believe that the goal of core is to promote continued harmony, as but not

2323
03:39:30,230 --> 03:39:36,790
at the vice-merlemma was mentioning, and I think that we would miss an opportunity to build

2324
03:39:36,790 --> 03:39:43,030
trust between the police and the community and to build on that harmony if we were to

2325
03:39:43,030 --> 03:39:48,790
concluded the ad hoc from working with the police as part of this process.

2326
03:39:49,430 --> 03:39:57,030
I would envision if we if we were to create this commit this ad hoc and just for

2327
03:39:57,670 --> 03:40:00,050
for argument state if I were committed to it.

2328
03:40:00,170 --> 03:40:01,890
I wouldn't.

2329
03:40:03,230 --> 03:40:04,550
What was that?

2330
03:40:08,020 --> 03:40:08,280
Sorry.

2331
03:40:08,620 --> 03:40:09,760
I thought I heard some speaking.

2332
03:40:10,920 --> 03:40:19,020
I would envision, specifically, of reaching out to the police and having some really hard

2333
03:40:19,020 --> 03:40:24,440
to hurt discussions, and I think there would be a role in this opportunity to precludes

2334
03:40:24,440 --> 03:40:24,960
often happening.

2335
03:40:27,950 --> 03:40:28,930
Can you come to a moment, Harvey?

2336
03:40:32,020 --> 03:40:41,600
I guess what I'm struggling with is that this is seen to move from focusing on more

2337
03:40:41,600 --> 03:40:55,340
generalities in the community to what can we do to the place and I struggle with this a

2338
03:40:55,340 --> 03:41:02,260
little bit because we have a lot of things in the works and we they're not complete yet.

2339
03:41:02,720 --> 03:41:05,940
So we've only had one annual report.

2340
03:41:05,940 --> 03:41:14,900
we have an audit that's ongoing, we have cohorts in progress, we have policies being looked at.

2341
03:41:15,020 --> 03:41:24,300
There's a lot of stuff that's in flux that I feel like needs to play out, see where that's at.

2342
03:41:24,580 --> 03:41:34,180
We as a council can review that if there's something that comes up from any of that stuff that we get reported on,

2343
03:41:34,180 --> 03:41:40,220
We may say, you know what? Maybe we should have some folks looking into that.

2344
03:41:40,600 --> 03:41:49,260
But we don't have that data yet to be able to know whether or not there's anything there there.

2345
03:41:49,740 --> 03:41:57,480
I was hoping that what we could do is let that percolate a little bit, let's get more information,

2346
03:41:57,780 --> 03:42:04,160
let's get more data. In the meantime, what I was hearing were there were other things

2347
03:42:04,160 --> 03:42:13,400
things that we possibly other than the police could be looking at to help the community be more

2348
03:42:13,400 --> 03:42:15,440
inclusive and have better harmony.

2349
03:42:16,240 --> 03:42:24,280
And that's what, you know, I kind of heard we were trying to do and it sounds like that

2350
03:42:24,280 --> 03:42:27,320
maybe not what people want to do.

2351
03:42:27,700 --> 03:42:30,620
So that's my frustration at this point.

2352
03:42:35,210 --> 03:42:43,830
Thank you, I feel like we're, I just feel like we're not, we're talking past one and a little bit, because I agree with

2353
03:42:43,830 --> 03:42:49,210
most of what Council member Harvey and Council member Lyndon said, and I just feel that

2354
03:42:50,250 --> 03:42:55,790
that including a discussion about the police as part of this overall look at the city's goals.

2355
03:42:55,990 --> 03:43:00,030
It would just be one part of what we're trying to do.

2356
03:43:00,030 --> 03:43:28,490
Also, the word oversight was brought up, and I think that the word oversight has become a bit of a third rail, and I just want to reframe that term a little bit, because I think a lot of times when people hear oversight, they think a group of citizens who may not be that familiar with for these practices coming in, and this is what people think of cocaps in the year, was coming in in second guessing decisions after the fact.

2357
03:43:28,490 --> 03:43:45,250
And to me that's not necessarily what oversight means, oversight could be a front-end process which is more about community engagement in looking at how the public interacts with the police and what policies we have in place.

2358
03:43:45,790 --> 03:43:55,690
And just having some opportunity for input and feedback on what our policing policies look like, and I think it's a good practice to include people of color and that conversation.

2359
03:43:55,690 --> 03:43:58,370
and that's something that people have been longing for.

2360
03:43:59,050 --> 03:44:02,070
And I don't think that we've provided an opportunity

2361
03:44:02,910 --> 03:44:07,550
for people of color to engage in a meaningful way

2362
03:44:07,550 --> 03:44:11,430
in a discussion on what our policies should be.

2363
03:44:13,510 --> 03:44:16,470
We've done a number of other amazing things

2364
03:44:16,470 --> 03:44:20,670
but that's one place that I think this ad hoc committee could potentially,

2365
03:44:20,790 --> 03:44:24,310
maybe not, that could potentially look at

2366
03:44:24,310 --> 03:44:26,290
as just one of many things that they do.

2367
03:44:29,440 --> 03:44:30,660
You come to remember, Ford?

2368
03:44:32,960 --> 03:44:35,140
I'm trying to figure out a way to frame a charge

2369
03:44:35,140 --> 03:44:37,240
for a subcommittee that I could live with

2370
03:44:38,160 --> 03:44:42,300
that my, me, some other council members needs.

2371
03:44:43,400 --> 03:44:43,400
I,

2372
03:44:45,740 --> 03:44:47,560
my interest is not in a committee

2373
03:44:49,700 --> 03:44:52,620
who's focused or charged is about policing.

2374
03:44:53,780 --> 03:44:56,720
But if I'm talking with a group of community members

2375
03:44:56,720 --> 03:44:59,380
and issues that involve the police come up.

2376
03:45:00,180 --> 03:45:06,620
I'm not interested in being muscled in saying I can't talk about those with fellow people in town.

2377
03:45:08,600 --> 03:45:17,140
So, I'm perfectly happy to, like I said, to frame the charge of a committee around the, for instance,

2378
03:45:17,700 --> 03:45:21,260
and I'm open to other charges, if you aren't comfortable with the council level,

2379
03:45:21,440 --> 03:45:28,900
but with the council level about diversity inclusion, which is about both city practices and city services.

2380
03:45:28,900 --> 03:45:57,020
And so if I'm talking with community members and issues come up around, you know, building permits and I can talk about those issues and see if I can figure out what's going on, but I can't talk about them if issues that involve the police come up, that doesn't make any sense to me and I'm not, I'm not interested in forming a committee like that that's muscled in what they can talk about.

2381
03:45:57,800 --> 03:46:05,180
But when you're if I could suggest, I hear what you're saying, Mr. Ford, and I don't think

2382
03:46:05,180 --> 03:46:09,240
draconians, I might have sounded, because I don't think my suggestion or my vision of

2383
03:46:09,240 --> 03:46:13,400
this was, if you're having a community discussion, and if somebody asks about something

2384
03:46:13,400 --> 03:46:17,080
to do them with the police or wants to make a succession, that number one you can answer

2385
03:46:17,080 --> 03:46:22,700
their question or discuss with them, or even to listen to what they have to say, I think

2386
03:46:22,700 --> 03:46:26,900
that's part and practice of what we do, whether we're staff or elected to whom we meet

2387
03:46:26,900 --> 03:46:29,780
with the public, so that would never follow me.

2388
03:46:30,100 --> 03:46:32,600
But bringing back recommendations,

2389
03:46:33,100 --> 03:46:37,900
re-oversight, or outside council review and recommendation

2390
03:46:37,900 --> 03:46:40,940
on policies, that's the third rail

2391
03:46:40,940 --> 03:46:42,380
that I wouldn't want to go to,

2392
03:46:42,540 --> 03:46:45,640
and already one of our colleagues tonight kind of brought it up.

2393
03:46:45,900 --> 03:46:46,920
Yeah, let's consider oversight.

2394
03:46:47,140 --> 03:46:50,360
A different definition, a kind of definition of it,

2395
03:46:50,400 --> 03:46:54,980
and open the door to review policies outside of this body.

2396
03:46:55,760 --> 03:47:02,140
When we've already set up the process to review policy in response to this

2397
03:47:02,140 --> 03:47:03,620
understanding of the strengthening community.

2398
03:47:04,520 --> 03:47:08,920
So I think we're getting it something here if we can stay away from that.

2399
03:47:09,060 --> 03:47:13,960
I'm not suggesting if somebody wants to ask a question or have a discussion

2400
03:47:13,960 --> 03:47:18,040
we can't do that, but I'm not looking for a group coming back

2401
03:47:18,040 --> 03:47:23,940
doing a second track work on oversight and policies that's separate from what we've already been

2402
03:47:23,940 --> 03:47:28,800
or continuing to do. Does that sound like we're getting a little closer at all?

2403
03:47:34,270 --> 03:47:37,830
Certainly closer. Well, that's better than farther.

2404
03:47:39,090 --> 03:47:43,210
So I think we know where we're at. If you'd have some good discussion,

2405
03:47:44,090 --> 03:47:48,170
I would like to see where the council is a whole act. Do we really want to kind of

2406
03:47:48,170 --> 03:47:53,530
lose it? I don't mean restrict, as I was just discussing with Ben. I'm not talking about

2407
03:47:53,530 --> 03:47:58,270
that you have to leave the room, cover your eyes, and ears, and mouth, and somebody mentioned

2408
03:47:58,270 --> 03:47:58,830
it's pleased.

2409
03:47:59,290 --> 03:48:03,290
But I am saying this is not, I don't want to see this via separate committee that's working

2410
03:48:03,290 --> 03:48:08,590
on bringing back recommendations and oversight and policies, and generally a second track

2411
03:48:08,590 --> 03:48:11,250
to our current, at least work we've been doing.

2412
03:48:12,550 --> 03:48:17,610
If we could see where the majority of us are out on that, and I think I can tell you some of the comments.

2413
03:48:17,610 --> 03:48:22,950
But then I think we're in a good place to know how to craft with Ben and I and the rest

2414
03:48:22,950 --> 03:48:24,290
of us we're trying to do here.

2415
03:48:26,850 --> 03:48:27,390
That's right.

2416
03:48:27,970 --> 03:48:29,830
I guess thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2417
03:48:31,350 --> 03:48:39,330
So all of us, as council members, have the ability to talk to whoever we want to talk with.

2418
03:48:39,630 --> 03:48:45,110
What ever subject, I get people that randomly call me on all kinds of things.

2419
03:48:45,110 --> 03:48:53,310
So, nothing in what the subcommittee would be doing would be saying, oh, I can't talk about that.

2420
03:48:53,390 --> 03:49:04,770
You can talk to people about it, but if you get information that is useful to any of the other 10 things we're working on,

2421
03:49:05,050 --> 03:49:08,690
it would make more sense to say, you know what?

2422
03:49:08,690 --> 03:49:14,810
This is appropriately to be placed in one of these one-to-ten things.

2423
03:49:15,150 --> 03:49:20,410
Let me take that information and incorporate life-wise

2424
03:49:20,410 --> 03:49:26,490
when we get these reports, people were going to have a public review of them.

2425
03:49:26,850 --> 03:49:30,490
So it's not like we're going to get the report and we're not going to go over it.

2426
03:49:30,910 --> 03:49:36,790
Likewise with the annual reports, likewise with the Ripper statistics, and so on and so forth.

2427
03:49:36,790 --> 03:49:53,250
And as far as policies are concerned, we have, in some of our meetings last year, we had members of the public pull out sections of the policy manual and ask questions about them and ask for changes on them.

2428
03:49:53,530 --> 03:49:59,830
One of the discussions around that had to do with the legality of things.

2429
03:49:59,830 --> 03:50:26,290
So, you also don't want to have someone wordsmithing things that is going to put us in a legal situation and you don't want to also give them a false expectation that they can do that when the reality is any policies we have have to be policies that are defensible.

2430
03:50:26,290 --> 03:50:35,590
So it gets to be a little sticky wicked there with that, asking about them, going over them,

2431
03:50:35,670 --> 03:50:39,610
you know, saying why they're the way they are or explain what they mean.

2432
03:50:39,850 --> 03:50:42,190
Like we did on a few of them last year.

2433
03:50:42,550 --> 03:50:44,950
I think that is a great idea.

2434
03:50:46,010 --> 03:50:49,810
But telling people that they can, you know, re-do them all.

2435
03:50:49,810 --> 03:50:59,450
I think that that gives people a set up for failure, expectation, so that's what I have to say.

2436
03:51:00,150 --> 03:51:00,870
Thank you, Mayor.

2437
03:51:01,790 --> 03:51:02,630
Council Member Sparks.

2438
03:51:04,050 --> 03:51:04,530
Thank you.

2439
03:51:04,690 --> 03:51:05,810
I appreciate everyone's comments.

2440
03:51:06,390 --> 03:51:12,470
I want to say that I do not have any interest in giving people the impression that they're going to be able to rewrite the policy.

2441
03:51:12,470 --> 03:51:20,190
And I was more just saying that people could have some opportunity to give input and

2442
03:51:20,190 --> 03:51:26,910
a more, as several people pointed out, and I appreciate the comments that people were able

2443
03:51:26,910 --> 03:51:30,890
to come and give feedback on policy during city council meetings.

2444
03:51:32,270 --> 03:51:35,070
The format of the city council meeting is very formal.

2445
03:51:35,190 --> 03:51:40,250
People have limited to three minutes, and I know there was a desire for people within the

2446
03:51:40,250 --> 03:51:48,370
community to be able to give feedback and comments in a more open, conversational way, and

2447
03:51:48,370 --> 03:51:52,470
really have their ideas considered and be able to express them fully.

2448
03:51:53,630 --> 03:51:58,270
So, I think that that would be helpful to be able to give people the opportunity to speak

2449
03:51:58,270 --> 03:52:03,570
on issues that really matter to them in this ad hoc format.

2450
03:52:04,970 --> 03:52:08,090
And I suppose I'll leave it at that.

2451
03:52:08,890 --> 03:52:11,710
Can I ask you a question about that?

2452
03:52:11,830 --> 03:52:12,030
Sure.

2453
03:52:12,890 --> 03:52:26,610
So do you feel qualified to be able to legally assess and give a person an input on what

2454
03:52:26,610 --> 03:52:29,390
it is that they are telling you that they want to change?

2455
03:52:30,130 --> 03:52:30,490
No.

2456
03:52:30,770 --> 03:52:36,470
And that is why I would want to include people from the police department and that conversation.

2457
03:52:38,970 --> 03:52:40,950
It's not even the police department.

2458
03:52:41,110 --> 03:52:50,910
You're talking that things have to get approved by legal to be able to be changed.

2459
03:52:52,170 --> 03:52:53,690
That's kind of, sure.

2460
03:52:54,870 --> 03:53:03,850
I mean, I don't want to, we all know this, but the amount of community would make recommendations.

2461
03:53:03,850 --> 03:53:24,190
And I wouldn't envision recommendations to be wordsmithed policies, but rather principles and values and broader ideas that we could provide to staff and to legal to try to work on the details on if I hope that makes sense.

2462
03:53:26,270 --> 03:53:48,010
So, you're not suggesting reviewing the existing policies and have people discuss them, because there are certain policies that are worded a certain way, because they have a legal definition, they're worded that way, because they have to be worded that way.

2463
03:53:48,010 --> 03:54:00,970
And it would be hard to, you know, without having a bunch of attorneys there with you to be able to explain why things are worded the way they are.

2464
03:54:01,690 --> 03:54:04,710
And that's all I'm really, I'm really, I'm really thrilled about that.

2465
03:54:04,710 --> 03:54:12,730
Yeah, I think what I was envisioning more was let's say people wanted to discuss the use of force policy,

2466
03:54:12,730 --> 03:54:15,810
which I think we can really get from flexible.

2467
03:54:16,410 --> 03:54:18,470
And so even though there's a little bit of room

2468
03:54:18,470 --> 03:54:23,010
to tweak it and modify it in order to save compliance

2469
03:54:23,010 --> 03:54:25,710
with the law, as I know it's very important,

2470
03:54:26,290 --> 03:54:28,130
we're getting updates pushed out from flexible.

2471
03:54:30,170 --> 03:54:32,830
And I think there's been a hunger in the community

2472
03:54:32,830 --> 03:54:39,550
to be able to have a conversation about just what sorts of,

2473
03:54:39,550 --> 03:54:41,730
I know that flexible also in some cases

2474
03:54:41,730 --> 03:54:48,750
provide it's alternate wording that you can use if you want to go a different route with

2475
03:54:48,750 --> 03:54:54,810
particular policies and there are other groups that are nonprofit organizations and institutes

2476
03:54:54,810 --> 03:55:03,270
that provide legal templates for wording for policies as well. So I would envision that people

2477
03:55:03,270 --> 03:55:10,550
who were conversing with the ad hoc committee could say, hey, you know what? Let's think about instead

2478
03:55:10,550 --> 03:55:17,730
going with the wording exactly the likesable uses maybe we could think about trying to go

2479
03:55:17,730 --> 03:55:23,730
more towards a particular goal. But not words to think because I agree with you that

2480
03:55:23,730 --> 03:55:27,310
that that's not a productive any meeting I've had that has more than three people and

2481
03:55:27,310 --> 03:55:31,750
where we're doing words to think has been a pretty much a disaster. So I wouldn't want to

2482
03:55:31,750 --> 03:55:33,010
go in that direction either.

2483
03:55:34,250 --> 03:55:38,970
Well and I would think that if there were, I'll just throw a number out there. There were five

2484
03:55:38,970 --> 03:55:44,110
policies out there that people had, you know, kind of heartburned with or whatever.

2485
03:55:44,970 --> 03:55:53,710
It would seem to make more sense to have those agendas and have the proper people available

2486
03:55:53,710 --> 03:55:59,750
to be able to make those explanations as to why it is the way it is.

2487
03:55:59,990 --> 03:56:06,730
In some cases, it's an education to the public to understand what those words mean.

2488
03:56:06,730 --> 03:56:14,030
And I can't remember the one off the top of my head, but I know that last year, Chief

2489
03:56:14,990 --> 03:56:20,730
Parrish, on the couple of them, and what those words meant, because they weren't what

2490
03:56:20,730 --> 03:56:24,870
people thought they were, and maybe that's just an educational process.

2491
03:56:27,300 --> 03:56:28,880
Through the mayor of my mind,

2492
03:56:33,070 --> 03:56:34,070
one last step.

2493
03:56:35,350 --> 03:56:40,930
I think we're getting to the point where everything has been said, but not all of this

2494
03:56:40,930 --> 03:56:47,250
I said two or three times, I'll kick my second or third time, and perhaps we can get closer to something.

2495
03:56:49,110 --> 03:56:50,350
But, you know, I'm confused.

2496
03:56:51,050 --> 03:56:57,470
One minute, I hear talking about oversight and policies, and I hear we're not saying we want to talk about oversight and policies.

2497
03:56:57,730 --> 03:57:04,850
But then, immediately, we're talking about tweaking flexible policies and outside accounts for me, just with a general public.

2498
03:57:08,090 --> 03:57:12,650
That is a separate track, there's no question in my mind and I'm not sure if anything,

2499
03:57:12,990 --> 03:57:16,750
not only sure nothing helpful can come from it because it will have false expectations

2500
03:57:16,750 --> 03:57:22,470
from great issues but we've already been through this already decided how we're doing this,

2501
03:57:22,650 --> 03:57:26,990
with our regular view of RIPA and what upgrades we may need to make.

2502
03:57:28,390 --> 03:57:31,870
I hear the calls for opportunities for people to participate.

2503
03:57:32,750 --> 03:57:39,710
But the opportunities do exist. We've made them in this great abundance as we possibly can.

2504
03:57:39,930 --> 03:57:44,270
We've covered that. And these sort of discussions we're talking about, tweaking flexible.

2505
03:57:45,090 --> 03:57:51,910
That's something you need to do in full public with council presence, with staff presence, ideally with the chief president,

2506
03:57:52,390 --> 03:57:55,810
and certainly with council presence as we've done in the past.

2507
03:57:55,810 --> 03:58:03,110
and that goes back to why I'm supportive of all of this saved this one area because I do

2508
03:58:03,110 --> 03:58:09,990
agree with my colleague is kind of the live wire and there's a reason for it. So I'd like to

2509
03:58:09,990 --> 03:58:17,110
see the charge I would say if simply would be something I believe like Adrian might have said

2510
03:58:17,110 --> 03:58:21,130
in this lobby might have said it to correct me if I'm wrong I think she said welcoming

2511
03:58:23,790 --> 03:58:28,750
inclusive to investigate how to how to continue to be an inclusive and welcome a place

2512
03:58:28,750 --> 03:58:34,030
and to further improve that. That's a general thing that can do all aspects of where

2513
03:58:34,030 --> 03:58:38,830
the city can touch, but it does not charge them with looking into the police oversight

2514
03:58:39,710 --> 03:58:46,110
policies or the expectation that it does allow people, of course, to discuss it if somebody

2515
03:58:46,110 --> 03:58:51,110
has questions or private things. So that's my comment. I'd love to see where we go and

2516
03:58:51,110 --> 03:58:54,490
We've a, please note. Thank you. Thank you.

2517
03:58:54,970 --> 03:58:55,230
Thank you.

2518
03:58:55,230 --> 03:58:55,750
Time to move forward.

2519
03:58:57,410 --> 03:59:00,850
I'm basically fine with what Vice-merlana just said.

2520
03:59:01,110 --> 03:59:06,430
I did fine in last meeting's tack at the strategic objectives that we approved.

2521
03:59:06,990 --> 03:59:12,350
And it makes more sense to me to use our new reality of strategic objective as the charge to the council,

2522
03:59:12,690 --> 03:59:17,770
which is, so I would propose, as an alternative to what Vice-merlana proposed,

2523
03:59:17,770 --> 03:59:24,770
that the charge we to investigate, how capacity of the target can promote an equitable compassionate

2524
03:59:24,770 --> 03:59:28,150
and healthy community that honors diversity as a source of strength.

2525
03:59:29,150 --> 03:59:30,710
That's the name of our strategic objective.

2526
03:59:31,770 --> 03:59:36,370
I think I could support that and I think that it makes sense because it matches our strategic

2527
03:59:36,370 --> 03:59:41,370
objective and it accomplishes what we've all talked about and if we're agreeing to that,

2528
03:59:41,710 --> 03:59:47,210
I think it solves and I hope we were serving this, we'll remember the guidelines that

2529
03:59:47,210 --> 03:59:53,170
counts if they're not ones that are completely comfortable for all of us, but yeah I can definitely go for that.

2530
03:59:55,040 --> 03:59:57,200
So I haven't offered any input on this yet.

2531
04:00:00,590 --> 04:00:07,510
We are doing no longer ready. So we're not allowed to give. Now the question is, do we want to add number two to that?

2532
04:00:08,650 --> 04:00:27,330
I do not personally have a problem with the two-person ad hoc. My vision of something like that would be with the staff, whether it be to the manager or whether it be another, but does he can't in staff and Chief Harris should be so desires to be on there?

2533
04:00:27,330 --> 04:00:31,130
or even a lieutenant or something along those lines.

2534
04:00:32,110 --> 04:00:35,470
And I would look at it as World, a ad hoc

2535
04:00:36,190 --> 04:00:37,550
community relations.

2536
04:00:40,370 --> 04:00:42,550
And discussing community relations and engagement

2537
04:00:42,550 --> 04:00:46,430
and education so that we can teach

2538
04:00:46,430 --> 04:00:50,290
anti-racism, not just be non-racist,

2539
04:00:50,470 --> 04:00:53,530
but teach anti-racism and educate the community.

2540
04:00:53,530 --> 04:01:03,030
My concern is, volunteerism, I mean, Council Member Sparks talks about getting somebody

2541
04:01:03,030 --> 04:01:08,550
of color on volunteering to be on a ad hoc or something like that.

2542
04:01:08,750 --> 04:01:11,430
I'm concerned being that the council is white.

2543
04:01:13,830 --> 04:01:20,750
My concern is getting volunteers all, I don't know, I mean, I don't care what, what, you

2544
04:01:20,750 --> 04:01:28,110
You know, possibly they come from a gender or whatever they may have, a volunteer is coveted.

2545
04:01:28,570 --> 04:01:34,490
Now, getting those people and members of the community involved can be difficult as we know.

2546
04:01:37,260 --> 04:01:43,600
So my concern is if you have an ad hoc and you have for 12 months, you know, and then they come back and say,

2547
04:01:43,820 --> 04:01:50,320
hey, we have looked at this outreach and we can do better here, or there was an incident that came out from the police,

2548
04:01:50,320 --> 04:01:52,560
And that's something that we can talk about.

2549
04:01:53,100 --> 04:02:03,700
I certainly don't want to say that that body, that ad hoc, has any oversight, legal oversight.

2550
04:02:04,480 --> 04:02:06,220
I think that's where the council comes in.

2551
04:02:06,500 --> 04:02:10,740
And if there are issues that do come up, and maybe they come to this community relations

2552
04:02:10,740 --> 04:02:17,620
formation, then those members that ad hoc can bring that information back to city council.

2553
04:02:17,620 --> 04:02:19,880
and I can be discussed further.

2554
04:02:22,040 --> 04:02:23,680
Those are kind of my concerns

2555
04:02:23,680 --> 04:02:26,740
of what I would think would occur with something

2556
04:02:26,740 --> 04:02:28,240
on these lines.

2557
04:02:33,380 --> 04:02:35,160
Any further comments on that?

2558
04:02:41,900 --> 04:02:44,540
I'm just going to say it's pretty weird to have a muted

2559
04:02:44,540 --> 04:02:45,000
council.

2560
04:02:46,360 --> 04:02:48,100
I think you saw the Mr. Mayor.

2561
04:02:49,700 --> 04:02:52,000
Is that something that you guys could look

2562
04:02:52,000 --> 04:02:54,600
to address or support something on those lines?

2563
04:02:54,820 --> 04:02:56,460
Does we already encompass number one?

2564
04:02:56,460 --> 04:03:06,980
We never do number two and then you know Bander you had an inclusive and diversity type title that you were considering

2565
04:03:06,980 --> 04:03:13,620
Well, it's our our city. Yeah, our city council is strategic objective for the year right now

2566
04:03:13,620 --> 04:03:18,340
Does the does the term community relations work for you guys?

2567
04:03:20,490 --> 04:03:21,110
Wow

2568
04:03:21,110 --> 04:03:25,370
We know it's because we don't want to exclude anybody, you know we want to be a close

2569
04:03:26,230 --> 04:03:30,530
And then you know it could be on anything, you know?

2570
04:03:31,570 --> 04:03:32,970
What does that mean?

2571
04:03:33,130 --> 04:03:37,630
I guess community engagement does not get to me.

2572
04:03:37,970 --> 04:03:40,790
It certainly doesn't imply anything about that anti-racism.

2573
04:03:42,330 --> 04:03:50,570
And nor does it give any address reaching out necessarily to people who feel underrepresented in the city.

2574
04:03:50,570 --> 04:03:58,510
So it's just not a term that, to me, calls up what I hope this ad hoc will be about

2575
04:03:59,410 --> 04:04:06,590
whereas, you know, actual equitable compassionate and healthy community sort of, to me,

2576
04:04:06,990 --> 04:04:08,450
calls up more of those ideas.

2577
04:04:10,030 --> 04:04:18,810
But where I think we're fairly clear on what this group will be thinking about and trying to engage with people around.

2578
04:04:20,010 --> 04:04:27,190
So I'd be okay with a term more like that, but I don't see a reason not to use what we just adopted as our strategic objective.

2579
04:04:27,590 --> 04:04:30,550
No, and I don't have an issue using that.

2580
04:04:30,830 --> 04:04:33,430
I just want to try to make sure that we're more inclusive.

2581
04:04:34,530 --> 04:04:34,790
I see.

2582
04:04:35,350 --> 04:04:35,650
Yeah.

2583
04:04:37,790 --> 04:04:44,630
And the pragmatic side of me, how long do you really think this is the one?

2584
04:04:44,630 --> 04:04:51,190
A couple of years until people's interest this is term-limited at one year. This isn't a head-hock. It would just be one year

2585
04:04:51,770 --> 04:04:57,130
And then so a year from now we might say, okay, this looks like something that's working and then we may

2586
04:04:57,870 --> 04:05:03,890
Look at it as going a commission on there or committee or many committee and fall into the brown act

2587
04:05:04,550 --> 04:05:13,010
I think if we wanted to institutionalize something it would be like a standing committee and it would be rather good

2588
04:05:14,910 --> 04:05:20,130
Okay, but that's not the cause now right now. I'm just trying to look down and

2589
04:05:20,130 --> 04:05:23,790
what this is going to work like and what it might have all been to.

2590
04:05:23,810 --> 04:05:24,950
Why? Why is my lemon?

2591
04:05:26,570 --> 04:05:31,430
Oh, I'm sorry to realize I had my hands still up, but you noticed what you called on me?

2592
04:05:31,730 --> 04:05:32,370
No, I'm sorry.

2593
04:05:33,350 --> 04:05:39,730
That's okay, I think I'm here in consensus, so I'd like to suggest that we move this

2594
04:05:39,730 --> 04:05:44,230
and I'd like to nominate due to their participation and their interest in them.

2595
04:05:45,210 --> 04:05:49,990
Councilman for Sport and Harvey to participate if they're willing, don't you love another

2596
04:05:49,990 --> 04:05:53,890
people volunteering to do work. But if you're willing to service our representatives,

2597
04:05:54,210 --> 04:05:57,250
you have to count to those to do an ad, that would be my most important.

2598
04:06:04,320 --> 04:06:11,170
The Councilman for Harvey, did you have any questions prior to any seconds on that motion?

2599
04:06:12,050 --> 04:06:19,670
And I make that end up. Yes, thank you. I am okay with the wording based upon our

2600
04:06:19,670 --> 04:06:26,670
school that we have. I'm okay with wording at Hopkins Committee in that fashion and it does

2601
04:06:26,670 --> 04:06:34,030
tie two or one of our goals and I think it doesn't preclude us from engaging the community

2602
04:06:34,030 --> 04:06:44,590
in all those aspects. And I accept your nomination vice mayor and I'm willing to participate.

2603
04:06:46,310 --> 04:06:48,170
I'm sorry, I'm just works.

2604
04:06:49,610 --> 04:06:51,870
Well, you all haven't had it just to get me,

2605
04:06:52,050 --> 04:06:55,090
no, we not well yet, but I am a very good rulekeeper,

2606
04:06:55,210 --> 04:06:56,830
and I'm very good at doing what I'm told.

2607
04:06:57,150 --> 04:07:00,330
So I would like to be considered for this committee as well,

2608
04:07:00,450 --> 04:07:04,150
and I would keep in mind that the charge that has been given to the committee.

2609
04:07:10,560 --> 04:07:12,880
We have a second on council member, Raymond's motion.

2610
04:07:15,220 --> 04:07:16,520
I would second that motion.

2611
04:07:20,310 --> 04:07:23,290
All right, now we have a motion and a second on the floor

2612
04:07:23,290 --> 04:07:24,390
as any further discussion.

2613
04:07:25,490 --> 04:07:30,630
Yeah, hold on. I'm still picking. There's a tough year for me coming up.

2614
04:07:35,030 --> 04:07:35,590
I'm going to

2615
04:07:38,160 --> 04:07:44,460
amend that to that most been to replace Council Member Ford with Council Member Sparks.

2616
04:07:47,880 --> 04:07:52,840
Well, I don't know if I need an amendment, if you're not willing to serve, then I'm not going

2617
04:07:52,840 --> 04:07:57,580
to nominate you, but if I think if we talk about all the work that needs to be done in the community,

2618
04:07:57,580 --> 04:08:04,960
we have a passion for reaching out to get people. This is why it's difficult. So with that,

2619
04:08:05,220 --> 04:08:09,300
I looked all that and now many council members sparked an argument.

2620
04:08:13,350 --> 04:08:14,330
I will second that motion.

2621
04:08:16,800 --> 04:08:19,920
The first motion is withdrawing. We have a second motion before.

2622
04:08:22,000 --> 04:08:25,180
Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair.

2623
04:08:25,280 --> 04:08:29,320
Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair. The motion that I heard was only to appoint the committee

2624
04:08:30,280 --> 04:08:32,420
It's the council created in the committee.

2625
04:08:32,580 --> 04:08:40,420
I think it's important because you're creating an opportunity to be very clear about what the charge of that committee is.

2626
04:08:41,280 --> 04:08:46,320
And I think I think everyone agreed with Council Member Ford's suggestion.

2627
04:08:47,200 --> 04:08:53,200
So maybe Council Member, if you could incorporate Council Member Ford's suggestion.

2628
04:08:53,200 --> 04:08:56,280
Let me restate that.

2629
04:08:57,860 --> 04:09:01,860
I would move that we create an ad hoc.

2630
04:09:02,040 --> 04:09:04,500
That is described in the council packet.

2631
04:09:06,600 --> 04:09:09,320
With the charge of as described in our strategic objective,

2632
04:09:09,920 --> 04:09:13,840
this government report put down and I don't have it all right now

2633
04:09:13,840 --> 04:09:15,380
because I think it will write that fixed.

2634
04:09:15,700 --> 04:09:17,200
But at any rate, I do support that.

2635
04:09:18,620 --> 04:09:21,660
And to serve on that ad hoc, we are nominating

2636
04:09:21,660 --> 04:09:23,820
Council Member Sparby and Sparks.

2637
04:09:26,060 --> 04:09:28,060
And I would be second that motion.

2638
04:09:31,590 --> 04:09:35,030
Mr. Robert, does that suffice for the legal legal ease on there?

2639
04:09:35,350 --> 04:09:40,350
It does, and I think my understanding would be the roller committee would be

2640
04:09:40,350 --> 04:09:47,510
determined to the Council within 12 months of recundation for a better that objective.

2641
04:09:49,510 --> 04:09:53,230
And with regular, and I, as I understood from the staff report, and I would imagine

2642
04:09:53,230 --> 04:09:57,190
that I will include that with the regular report out at the Council meeting,

2643
04:09:57,190 --> 04:10:00,070
to ask the progress, discussions, et cetera.

2644
04:10:05,110 --> 04:10:07,870
So we have a motion and a second on the floor.

2645
04:10:08,350 --> 04:10:09,970
Can we have a role-comers purpose?

2646
04:10:10,590 --> 04:10:11,330
That's a member, Harvey.

2647
04:10:12,410 --> 04:10:12,570
Yes.

2648
04:10:13,130 --> 04:10:14,010
Council member Sparks.

2649
04:10:15,870 --> 04:10:16,690
Council member Ford.

2650
04:10:17,670 --> 04:10:17,730
Yes.

2651
04:10:18,030 --> 04:10:19,050
Vice-millionman?

2652
04:10:20,190 --> 04:10:20,270
Yes.

2653
04:10:20,790 --> 04:10:21,490
Mayor Moore.

2654
04:10:22,250 --> 04:10:22,450
Yes.

2655
04:10:24,150 --> 04:10:24,650
Thank you.

2656
04:10:26,110 --> 04:10:28,010
Thank you all for participating in that.

2657
04:10:28,250 --> 04:10:30,930
That's not always easy to try to

2658
04:10:30,930 --> 04:10:32,930
to looking census on that.

2659
04:10:34,510 --> 04:10:37,890
Mayer actually worked real quick before we move on from the side of him just the.

2660
04:10:38,830 --> 04:10:38,870
The

2661
04:10:41,450 --> 04:10:45,250
facilitated workshop is that something that's of any interest or something we should table

2662
04:10:45,250 --> 04:10:48,990
for the moment and just like the ad hoc at going. Only

2663
04:10:48,990 --> 04:10:52,930
if the ad hoc comes back and recommends it, then we can decide to do it.

2664
04:11:02,300 --> 04:11:09,160
I think the ad hoc should meet at 7 a.m. in the morning like the continuum of care

2665
04:11:09,160 --> 04:11:11,860
ad hoc. Just make it equitable.

2666
04:11:13,380 --> 04:11:14,500
Not happening.

2667
04:11:20,100 --> 04:11:20,660
Okay.

2668
04:11:22,560 --> 04:11:29,060
Now on the month to radio, agenda item 11b, katani of local hazard mitigation plan.

2669
04:11:29,080 --> 04:11:31,120
This would be a mystery of it.

2670
04:11:31,120 --> 04:11:33,360
It is, yes, thank you.

2671
04:11:33,560 --> 04:11:34,620
May her members of the council.

2672
04:11:35,540 --> 04:11:38,600
So while Lauren loads up the 50 slide slide deck,

2673
04:11:39,780 --> 04:11:41,060
I'm just joking, sorry.

2674
04:11:41,140 --> 04:11:42,020
This will be very quick one.

2675
04:11:43,180 --> 04:11:47,840
So the original schedule that we, the last time we had all met

2676
04:11:47,840 --> 04:11:51,040
was in on Mays, and then we had that very long presentation

2677
04:11:51,040 --> 04:11:51,900
as you recall.

2678
04:11:54,260 --> 04:11:57,060
The schedule for time was that the public review draft

2679
04:11:57,060 --> 04:11:58,520
would be out on June 15th.

2680
04:11:58,520 --> 04:11:59,380
That has not happened.

2681
04:11:59,380 --> 04:12:05,080
It's been postponed by the county to allow for more senior,

2682
04:12:05,480 --> 04:12:08,920
or jurisdictional reviews of administrative drafts

2683
04:12:08,920 --> 04:12:10,280
before they go out for public review.

2684
04:12:11,400 --> 04:12:15,300
And in the staff report, there is a schedule,

2685
04:12:15,420 --> 04:12:19,220
and that's the new schedule for the local hazard mitigation

2686
04:12:19,220 --> 04:12:20,240
plan, public.

2687
04:12:21,240 --> 04:12:22,120
It's really the full schedule,

2688
04:12:22,380 --> 04:12:23,940
but it includes the public component of it.

2689
04:12:26,660 --> 04:12:31,260
So the public comment period is now set for July 12th.

2690
04:12:31,740 --> 04:12:34,380
So what you have in the packet is administrative draft.

2691
04:12:34,540 --> 04:12:37,180
Essentially, it's a final draft that will go off to the public.

2692
04:12:37,640 --> 04:12:42,400
And this is just to be clear, this is the Katati Annex within Volume 2.

2693
04:12:42,720 --> 04:12:46,760
So the full report is Volume 1 and Volume 2.

2694
04:12:47,240 --> 04:12:52,820
Volume 1 is largely just the county staff county white staff, which will come out in July

2695
04:12:52,820 --> 04:13:00,240
with full public review drafts. But most of I think was a direct interest to us and to the community

2696
04:13:00,240 --> 04:13:10,260
is what's in our annex specifically. And I will point out that of so most of the annex, as you guys

2697
04:13:10,260 --> 04:13:16,100
saw is background information and stuff that's probably not that particularly interesting,

2698
04:13:16,460 --> 04:13:22,480
but a couple of things that we'll call your attention to is the list of actions proposed actions

2699
04:13:22,480 --> 04:13:28,680
on page packet page 241, that's within the annex that's probably one of the most important

2700
04:13:28,680 --> 04:13:32,860
parts because it was some proposed actions the city could take to try to address some

2701
04:13:32,860 --> 04:13:37,880
of the high risk, high risks to identify them for the community. The other thing I wanted to

2702
04:13:37,880 --> 04:13:50,620
point out was that on packet page 241, fire risk was elevated in this draft by staff, so there is

2703
04:13:50,620 --> 04:13:57,400
The review criteria that FEMA uses to rank risks and, as you can see by the numeric risk

2704
04:13:57,400 --> 04:14:05,080
ranking, far enough, rank very high, earthquakes or the highest rank, but because of the

2705
04:14:05,080 --> 04:14:10,920
obviously, because of the recent experience in this area, the wildfires staff elevated

2706
04:14:11,960 --> 04:14:19,780
that in terms of a higher risk type disaster compared to where it fell out naturally in the

2707
04:14:22,200 --> 04:14:28,940
So, with that tonight, this is, like I said, a administrative draft for the initial review

2708
04:14:28,940 --> 04:14:37,880
in comment and any comments I received tonight, I will bring back to the consultants, tetrotech,

2709
04:14:37,980 --> 04:14:42,940
that's draft in this administrative draft, and have them appropriate at the prior to the release

2710
04:14:42,940 --> 04:14:47,100
of the full public document which would be on July 12th, and at that time, of course, there

2711
04:14:47,100 --> 04:14:51,940
will be another opportunity for Council and Public to provide additional comment.

2712
04:14:53,580 --> 04:14:55,180
That would be happy to answer any questions.

2713
04:14:57,990 --> 04:14:58,490
Thank you.

2714
04:15:00,140 --> 04:15:27,740
Thank you. On page 241 and 242, where we've got this table of the projects, the timeline column has a footnote that sort of specifies it's either short term or long term or ongoing, but then the words in that column are low, medium, and high. So it's just trying to understand what low, medium, high means and context of a timeline.

2715
04:15:38,590 --> 04:15:42,890
So, the low is longer

2716
04:15:46,250 --> 04:15:46,870
term.

2717
04:15:49,020 --> 04:15:54,260
So, with the footnote, right at the punch short term, is within five years long term, within ten years and ongoing.

2718
04:15:54,640 --> 04:16:04,820
This is not ongoing. I think with no specific completion date, believe that in that context,

2719
04:16:06,960 --> 04:16:10,120
low is within five years.

2720
04:16:11,360 --> 04:16:13,800
I'm sorry. No, that's long.

2721
04:16:16,060 --> 04:16:23,340
It's with with in 10 years. Sorry. Although that's a good clarification. I should get from a consultant's little crystal clear.

2722
04:16:23,660 --> 04:16:27,320
Because if you only have two options in the footnote, but three options in the table.

2723
04:16:28,000 --> 04:16:31,440
So anyway, I will follow up on that.

2724
04:16:32,280 --> 04:16:38,840
Thank you. If I may have had a couple of other questions on that, people, for item number 10,

2725
04:16:39,860 --> 04:16:46,560
the Fund and Implement evacuation coordination and backup power project, I was really interested

2726
04:16:46,560 --> 04:16:53,540
in seeing the city do some kind of study about evacuation routes and, you know, what it

2727
04:16:53,540 --> 04:16:58,260
would look like to try to evacuate city really quickly and even a kind of traffic fire.

2728
04:16:58,260 --> 04:17:05,440
And I was wondering if that, I noticed it's still the same that that I get's an earthquake hazard.

2729
04:17:05,840 --> 04:17:13,220
I was wondering if that had anything to do with that idea of envisioning how a fast evacuation

2730
04:17:13,220 --> 04:17:16,440
can happen and whether that would be applicable well for yourself.

2731
04:17:19,880 --> 04:17:26,760
Yeah, so evacuation, so currently right now the evacuation zones have been set and the evacuation

2732
04:17:27,600 --> 04:17:32,160
testing, we're planning to do this fall, I don't know if we haven't done it yet, or later this summer.

2733
04:17:35,080 --> 04:17:38,760
But I guess the answer to the question, it wouldn't just be earthquake to be any reason,

2734
04:17:38,780 --> 04:17:40,560
but we might have to indicate it would first.

2735
04:17:41,380 --> 04:17:45,240
They see it would just categorize this in earthquake as the mitigated disaster.

2736
04:17:48,520 --> 04:17:50,660
Although you couldn't, you couldn't pick wildfires here, so.

2737
04:17:51,700 --> 04:17:51,940
Sure.

2738
04:17:52,240 --> 04:17:57,020
And what would this implement evacuation fund an implementing evacuation coordination?

2739
04:17:57,020 --> 04:18:00,680
How would that differ from what we're sort of doing already?

2740
04:18:04,280 --> 04:18:12,020
So I think it would really just be perhaps some planning grants from FEMA that would

2741
04:18:12,020 --> 04:18:14,980
allow us to further refine maybe what we're already doing.

2742
04:18:16,080 --> 04:18:20,380
And certainly on the back of our project, that was something that we would need to structure from important.

2743
04:18:21,460 --> 04:18:26,840
Is there any possibility to bump the timeline on that one?

2744
04:18:26,840 --> 04:18:35,780
Because it seems, in terms of a low probability, but very catastrophic event, you know, if I were

2745
04:18:35,780 --> 04:18:40,620
keen to through Katani and we need to do that quickly, that would be super important for saving lives.

2746
04:18:51,220 --> 04:18:53,660
Any further questions on this?

2747
04:18:54,020 --> 04:18:54,240
Okay.

2748
04:18:54,420 --> 04:18:57,160
Since this is an action item, I will open it up for public comment.

2749
04:19:01,480 --> 04:19:02,600
Thank you, Mayor Moore.

2750
04:19:02,900 --> 04:19:06,220
Looking to our attendees tonight, please use your race hand icon for public comment.

2751
04:19:10,620 --> 04:19:11,980
Mayor Moore, that will end public comment.

2752
04:19:13,000 --> 04:19:14,000
Thank you very much.

2753
04:19:18,680 --> 04:19:20,840
Mr. Oga, do you have enough feedback on that?

2754
04:19:23,890 --> 04:19:24,350
I do.

2755
04:19:24,910 --> 04:19:25,370
Yeah, thank you.

2756
04:19:25,550 --> 04:19:27,390
I will go back to the consultant.

2757
04:19:28,230 --> 04:19:30,970
Get clarity on those things before we get to the public release.

2758
04:19:32,370 --> 04:19:34,050
Okay, thank you very much.

2759
04:19:35,390 --> 04:19:38,310
Now we will move on to 11c,

2760
04:19:39,270 --> 04:19:40,370
appointment on a voting dog,

2761
04:19:40,570 --> 04:19:44,630
get an alternate to the 21 layer kelp in the cities,

2762
04:19:44,850 --> 04:19:47,330
annual conference in Sacramento.

2763
04:19:51,660 --> 04:20:00,940
So thank you Mayor members of the Council, so this is not going to be one that you can, you can't cast your vote from your couch this year. It's going to be in person.

2764
04:20:01,880 --> 04:20:13,380
In Sacramento, so the League of California cities of which we are member requires that we appoint a voting delegate that will vote on a conference resolution to the annual business.

2765
04:20:14,420 --> 04:20:18,820
in the packet that the conference, as the mayor said, is in Sacramento, the dates for the

2766
04:20:18,820 --> 04:20:24,420
conference are September 22nd, 24th of this year. The business meeting will be held in the

2767
04:20:24,420 --> 04:20:34,580
last day on Friday, 24th of September, and in addition to the voting delegate, the city may also

2768
04:20:34,580 --> 04:20:42,880
So a point up to two ultrimates and the ultrimates can be city council or city officials.

2769
04:20:45,800 --> 04:20:51,860
And typically in the past, the voting delegate has been people who plan to attend the

2770
04:20:51,860 --> 04:20:52,420
conference.

2771
04:20:54,020 --> 04:20:57,060
Obviously, for obvious reasons, because it will actually be there.

2772
04:21:00,160 --> 04:21:03,980
So that's in if the mayor that goes,

2773
04:21:04,120 --> 04:21:06,980
I think typically it's mayor of high snare right for going,

2774
04:21:07,720 --> 04:21:09,580
but I think it could be hard to put it to anybody.

2775
04:21:10,540 --> 04:21:14,360
So, anyway, with that I'll give it back to the council

2776
04:21:14,880 --> 04:21:17,340
and take any comments for a question.

2777
04:21:18,340 --> 04:21:19,100
Thank you.

2778
04:21:19,380 --> 04:21:20,060
Thank you.

2779
04:21:20,960 --> 04:21:21,540
Yes, mayor.

2780
04:21:21,800 --> 04:21:23,100
I'd just like to move the way I said,

2781
04:21:23,120 --> 04:21:24,400
I'm leaving past 10 PM.

2782
04:21:24,400 --> 04:21:31,400
Oh, thank you. I thought we had moved out of time to 11, but no, no, no, no.

2783
04:21:31,920 --> 04:21:33,820
Oh, did we? I thought we would have to attend.

2784
04:21:35,640 --> 04:21:37,080
I thought we would get to 11.

2785
04:21:37,540 --> 04:21:39,860
Oh, okay, if you fall, that's fine.

2786
04:21:40,640 --> 04:21:43,120
Good day, I count for 11 o'clock, could we go that long?

2787
04:21:43,300 --> 04:21:43,580
Sure.

2788
04:21:44,520 --> 04:21:44,900
Yeah.

2789
04:21:45,420 --> 04:21:46,140
Let's leave it to each other.

2790
04:21:47,200 --> 04:21:48,960
Okay, sorry. That's okay.

2791
04:21:49,960 --> 04:21:50,880
Come to me with my hearty.

2792
04:21:52,260 --> 04:21:57,920
Yes, I know that probably you and the vice mayor may want to attend.

2793
04:21:58,160 --> 04:22:06,200
I just wanted to offer that I will need to attend that meeting because if everything goes

2794
04:22:06,200 --> 04:22:14,540
the way it is planned, I should be appointed to be the president of the North Bay Division

2795
04:22:14,540 --> 04:22:15,600
at that meeting.

2796
04:22:15,600 --> 04:22:23,800
So I am required to attend and I'm happy to be a delegate if you, so would like that.

2797
04:22:25,720 --> 04:22:26,740
Thank you.

2798
04:22:27,900 --> 04:22:35,220
I would be interested in going in September and if something is not something else,

2799
04:22:35,420 --> 04:22:36,460
I can't make it.

2800
04:22:36,500 --> 04:22:39,440
I certainly would like to have alternatives there.

2801
04:22:39,440 --> 04:22:44,560
Um, so Susan, you're going to be at our crusher, you're anticipating the, um,

2802
04:22:45,300 --> 04:22:46,780
President of North and North faith division.

2803
04:22:47,280 --> 04:22:48,360
That's the plan.

2804
04:22:48,600 --> 04:22:51,080
Can I, boring simply unforeseen?

2805
04:22:51,360 --> 04:22:51,780
Exactly.

2806
04:22:52,640 --> 04:22:54,140
I'm just a member of work.

2807
04:22:56,260 --> 04:22:56,940
Um, sorry.

2808
04:22:57,460 --> 04:23:00,880
Can you take Vice Mayor land in first, I want to figure, um,

2809
04:23:00,880 --> 04:23:03,060
uh, certainly.

2810
04:23:04,240 --> 04:23:04,640
Vice Mayor land?

2811
04:23:05,320 --> 04:23:09,380
I just want to say, unlike most Councils most of the time, once again,

2812
04:23:09,380 --> 04:23:12,140
hearing you guys thought is being incredibly happy.

2813
04:23:12,880 --> 04:23:15,460
Susan and John, you said exactly what I wanted to hear,

2814
04:23:15,640 --> 04:23:18,900
because in September, I really don't want to go this afternoon.

2815
04:23:19,680 --> 04:23:23,320
So, and also though, congratulations to Councilmember Harden.

2816
04:23:23,820 --> 04:23:26,520
This is very impressive and that's not only a big thing for you,

2817
04:23:26,540 --> 04:23:27,980
but it's a big thing for Katana,

2818
04:23:28,120 --> 04:23:30,380
it's indicative of what you've done for the skin and the atmosphere.

2819
04:23:31,060 --> 04:23:33,720
So, but those up on that, yes.

2820
04:23:33,820 --> 04:23:39,360
So, I would be happy since you already have to be

2821
04:23:39,360 --> 04:23:45,280
there. You've seen logical and frankly, I'm completely fine with it. So if you

2822
04:23:45,280 --> 04:23:47,400
do want to do it, I say thumbs up.

2823
04:23:48,360 --> 04:23:50,720
I'll turn over for it.

2824
04:23:50,980 --> 04:23:55,560
Yeah, so I've nominated Mayor Moore to be the delegate and Council Member Harvey to be our

2825
04:23:55,560 --> 04:23:57,260
alternate for that.

2826
04:23:57,440 --> 04:23:57,820
Thank you.

2827
04:24:02,490 --> 04:24:03,730
I'd be happy to second.

2828
04:24:05,110 --> 04:24:10,170
Thank you. So we have a motion and a second on the floor. Any further discussion?

2829
04:24:12,770 --> 04:24:14,710
Thank you, Ms. Burgers. Could you do a roll call?

2830
04:24:14,710 --> 04:24:16,770
Councilmember Harvey.

2831
04:24:17,430 --> 04:24:17,530
Yes.

2832
04:24:17,850 --> 04:24:18,590
Councilmember Sparks.

2833
04:24:19,690 --> 04:24:19,750
Yes.

2834
04:24:20,070 --> 04:24:20,910
Councilmember Ford.

2835
04:24:21,750 --> 04:24:21,990
Yes.

2836
04:24:22,210 --> 04:24:23,170
Vice Mayor Landman.

2837
04:24:24,090 --> 04:24:24,250
Yes.

2838
04:24:24,490 --> 04:24:25,350
Mayor More.

2839
04:24:26,110 --> 04:24:26,370
Yes.

2840
04:24:26,790 --> 04:24:28,610
Thank you.

2841
04:24:29,430 --> 04:24:29,850
Okay.

2842
04:24:30,510 --> 04:24:34,730
So now we move on to our two managers report.

2843
04:24:38,680 --> 04:24:40,500
So thank you Mayor.

2844
04:24:41,900 --> 04:24:42,980
I can get the top.

2845
04:24:43,900 --> 04:24:44,280
All right.

2846
04:24:44,280 --> 04:24:51,300
So on good, real quick, as everyone knows, the color of the funder is in the color cure

2847
04:24:51,300 --> 04:24:55,300
because some in masks are no longer required for fully vaccinated people in both indoor

2848
04:24:55,300 --> 04:24:55,900
situations.

2849
04:24:57,100 --> 04:25:00,680
There are still some settings that require masking regardless of vaccination status.

2850
04:25:00,840 --> 04:25:02,160
And that's included.

2851
04:25:03,260 --> 04:25:04,980
There are brands of it.

2852
04:25:04,980 --> 04:25:05,220
Other trend.

2853
04:25:05,420 --> 04:25:12,160
Terminals, hope for reforms, disability, so if you need another reason not to get arrested, that's

2854
04:25:12,160 --> 04:25:14,080
on the good reason, he got to wear a mask when he got there.

2855
04:25:15,320 --> 04:25:17,960
And there are unvaccinated people, obviously,

2856
04:25:18,180 --> 04:25:20,440
with the wear mask indoors, according to the latest rules.

2857
04:25:20,620 --> 04:25:21,980
Maybe actually, obviously, but they slept

2858
04:25:21,980 --> 04:25:25,800
with the wear mask indoors and followed other related rules.

2859
04:25:27,040 --> 04:25:28,100
On the ground.

2860
04:25:28,880 --> 04:25:34,000
It's a report packed with 105 brow kits and another event

2861
04:25:34,000 --> 04:25:36,020
planned for August, 21.

2862
04:25:36,960 --> 04:25:39,040
But we who have electric, it's a public work.

2863
04:25:39,040 --> 04:25:42,820
So if people miss the path, drop, hit, hand out,

2864
04:25:42,920 --> 04:25:45,200
we can stop by the city and pick up their kit from.

2865
04:25:45,620 --> 04:25:47,500
I recommend you for them.

2866
04:25:48,480 --> 04:25:51,820
All right, so Cypherits in Water Road, rapid flashing,

2867
04:25:52,040 --> 04:25:53,880
platform to begin, they're affected.

2868
04:25:54,440 --> 04:25:55,860
They both expect to be fully operated

2869
04:25:55,860 --> 04:25:57,420
by the end of this week.

2870
04:25:58,640 --> 04:25:59,800
We are rebuilding the way funding.

2871
04:25:59,860 --> 04:26:01,720
Finally, just out now.

2872
04:26:02,360 --> 04:26:05,500
The Commissioner Roofing Project is that construction

2873
04:26:05,500 --> 04:26:06,360
three next week.

2874
04:26:07,180 --> 04:26:09,020
So we're all going to see the Roof getting torn off next week.

2875
04:26:10,700 --> 04:26:30,020
Pert section is getting work to be in the next month on July 12th and so pretty weird coincidence that we're going to park us also doing some work nearby and they threw us down on Mertle that could use everyone for a moment we figured out that they had their own project going on.

2876
04:26:30,020 --> 04:26:36,740
Anyway, that got cleared up because their son got moved, his energy can't, and we're going to be in our own project center shortly.

2877
04:26:39,480 --> 04:26:49,940
Local road safety plan, meeting, and coming up the chatter day at Mayan, and the Zoom link and other, you know, really meeting details are going to be quickly covered very shortly.

2878
04:26:51,900 --> 04:27:13,080
The world of planning last night, planning for making it free item, the odds of you, the product, some multi-family, well, mixed use of multi-family projects on the corner of Charles needs to tidy and that cut the sign review, re-approval, they change the product a little bit and that got approved last night.

2879
04:27:13,080 --> 04:27:18,060
multi-family of active design guidelines I've got recommended by planning

2880
04:27:18,060 --> 04:27:22,240
committee for that will be coming to count for. And then the reds

2881
04:27:22,860 --> 04:27:28,880
sensory designer to you got approved by thanks for your question.

2882
04:27:30,360 --> 04:27:36,760
So, up in the fleet world this year the MAD award because the award for officers

2883
04:27:36,760 --> 04:27:46,680
that make the most driving under the influence of a few arrests in general and across the board

2884
04:27:46,680 --> 04:27:53,200
and all these because of the pandemic and the fewer context and also less far being open

2885
04:27:53,200 --> 04:27:53,680
up.

2886
04:27:53,760 --> 04:27:54,600
So there's this left.

2887
04:27:54,720 --> 04:27:56,040
I think people will need to drive and drunk.

2888
04:27:57,400 --> 04:28:02,060
But the mad is a warning, please department officers who have the highest arrest account

2889
04:28:02,060 --> 04:28:06,020
for DUI and our department, Tyler, and Officer Tyler Wardell.

2890
04:28:06,020 --> 04:28:08,280
the highest amount of 15-month years ago.

2891
04:28:08,400 --> 04:28:15,020
This is the second amount of worth of great, great-for, great-for, great-for-hum, great-for-hum.

2892
04:28:15,420 --> 04:28:17,600
We could have an area of some meetings coming up.

2893
04:28:17,700 --> 04:28:22,160
We could rely on 19th to the 23rd of the week of a week

2894
04:28:22,160 --> 04:28:27,940
Monday through Friday, there will be various areas that we'll be holding

2895
04:28:27,940 --> 04:28:31,000
meeting before and it will continue to be in Zoom format for now.

2896
04:28:31,960 --> 04:28:35,760
Residents and businesses are encouraged to attend and if you have any

2897
04:28:35,760 --> 04:28:41,640
about what beat you're in, the math is available in the three-web site in the police page, and we're

2898
04:28:41,640 --> 04:28:45,460
also going to be putting up a book information as we look closer to what people know about it.

2899
04:28:48,940 --> 04:28:52,600
And then also something new that we have been esteemed,

2900
04:28:54,900 --> 04:28:56,540
we would be the first law enforcement

2901
04:28:56,540 --> 04:29:01,700
agency for the Insanoma County to have something called a bullet wrap. It is another

2902
04:29:01,700 --> 04:29:05,280
and devices that simply wrapped you about that man kind of,

2903
04:29:05,280 --> 04:29:11,200
it wrapped you in a rope, other ways to sort of put someone down

2904
04:29:11,200 --> 04:29:17,560
without having to use other tools that could be, you know,

2905
04:29:17,560 --> 04:29:17,980
technically,

2906
04:29:20,280 --> 04:29:24,700
rith gear, fused, to option one before hopefully they hurt.

2907
04:29:24,880 --> 04:29:29,720
Anyone else who's been off, so we've been working on that.

2908
04:29:30,240 --> 04:29:34,900
And then, in recreation with Pat Saturday, we held our annual community art tail in the

2909
04:29:34,900 --> 04:29:35,100
category.

2910
04:29:35,300 --> 04:29:40,860
We raised a little over $600, the recreation program, and they could be enough to cover

2911
04:29:40,860 --> 04:29:43,960
all of the color, awarded the summer for children at the New York Camp.

2912
04:29:44,920 --> 04:29:45,720
Big news.

2913
04:29:46,200 --> 04:29:49,920
And then we also have many donations for the community, and we want to thank everyone for

2914
04:29:49,920 --> 04:29:50,980
the generosity.

2915
04:29:51,960 --> 04:29:57,300
And we're hoping that there was another one there, and maybe even one in the fall of here.

2916
04:29:57,300 --> 04:29:59,960
So stay tuned for that, I'll do

2917
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:05,700
Earlier tonight, the coming Friday and Friday are a student theater group, North Bay, theatrical, will be holding their first ever

2918
04:30:05,700 --> 04:30:12,700
Saturday family theater in the park at McLoss Park. The summer theater can't participate, will be performing high school musical

2919
04:30:12,700 --> 04:30:22,020
junior, and the show starts at 6.30 p.m. Friday and Saturday, and everyone's welcome to attend. On July 23rd and 24th, they will perform in line

2920
04:30:22,020 --> 04:30:25,800
key kids also at 30 p.m. today.

2921
04:30:28,260 --> 04:30:31,200
We are starting a new step. This year it's a art

2922
04:30:31,200 --> 04:30:36,200
informed camp at the Rondafati Ranch. There will be two quick questions with the

2923
04:30:36,200 --> 04:30:41,300
first one starting on July 19th, and the second question, starting on August 2nd.

2924
04:30:41,500 --> 04:30:47,960
The campus reformer in grade 1 through 3rd, and they'll get to the end of the day. It's

2925
04:30:47,960 --> 04:30:52,260
in an environment where our activities, the last day of the session will end with a

2926
04:30:52,260 --> 04:30:56,020
public art show to farm for children to showcase their creations on the few weeks.

2927
04:30:57,020 --> 04:31:00,940
And the camp is now open on the city recreation website.

2928
04:31:02,520 --> 04:31:03,700
It's on now, if that's not the truth.

2929
04:31:04,600 --> 04:31:10,500
And then the biggest news of the night is kids day is coming back, it's not in the normal

2930
04:31:10,500 --> 04:31:14,480
day, obviously, because of the delay in reopening this year.

2931
04:31:14,480 --> 04:31:23,840
but it is scheduled for August 14th and we hope to be celebrating all of this birth. It's from 2020 and 2021 in a very

2932
04:31:23,840 --> 04:31:29,240
merry, unburnt this celebration to the 28th Annual Kids Day Creative Festival and we'll have

2933
04:31:29,240 --> 04:31:34,040
what more to eat health on that coming up soon, but at the day it can be very fun.

2934
04:31:35,640 --> 04:31:40,560
Farmers market continues at the Plaza Park through every Wednesday through the end of December

2935
04:31:40,560 --> 04:31:47,820
from 4th to 3DS, I'm 30 p.m. So come on by for the many things that the farmer has to offer.

2936
04:31:49,400 --> 04:31:51,820
Also, how do you accord you in testable? We'll be back here.

2937
04:31:52,460 --> 04:31:55,800
We can play from the weekend, this is number 25th and 26th and we'll plot the part.

2938
04:31:56,580 --> 04:32:00,520
For more info or to participate, you can visit katoncast.com.

2939
04:32:00,740 --> 04:32:06,140
I think you're also pushing out information about that as well, but in case you haven't seen that yet.

2940
04:32:07,420 --> 04:32:09,920
That's what's going on with them. And then for anything

2941
04:32:10,560 --> 04:32:17,120
related to the World of Recreation, you can contact us at the Welfan, at 365-422, where you

2942
04:32:17,120 --> 04:32:22,260
will send the Katouisity.org and the latest information is always on our website and Facebook page.

2943
04:32:23,480 --> 04:32:27,420
And then with that, I will be happy to answer any questions.

2944
04:32:29,080 --> 04:32:31,360
Thank you, Reserveit. Don't come in or hurry.

2945
04:32:32,780 --> 04:32:36,800
At Damian, we're doing a national night out this year.

2946
04:32:38,060 --> 04:32:41,800
We will, it's August 30th.

2947
04:32:42,720 --> 04:32:47,520
And is it possible that maybe we can have a demonstration of the route?

2948
04:32:48,940 --> 04:32:53,940
Actually, yes, we're discussing it out now, but I think we'll definitely probably,

2949
04:32:53,940 --> 04:32:56,980
well definitely probably, that doesn't only make much sense.

2950
04:32:57,740 --> 04:33:00,740
The Chief and I are talking about potential demonstrations that we can do.

2951
04:33:01,500 --> 04:33:02,240
Thank you.

2952
04:33:02,440 --> 04:33:04,360
Thank you for all that out there.

2953
04:33:07,110 --> 04:33:10,010
Any other questions on the city manager's report?

2954
04:33:12,950 --> 04:33:13,950
Thank you, Mr. Robert.

2955
04:33:15,170 --> 04:33:19,290
Next we'll move on to the city council member report.

2956
04:33:21,740 --> 04:33:22,980
And who would like to start?

2957
04:33:23,340 --> 04:33:24,040
Council member parking.

2958
04:33:25,000 --> 04:33:26,560
Oh, you want me to start? Okay.

2959
04:33:28,000 --> 04:33:32,780
On June 9th, I attended the education subcommittee.

2960
04:33:33,100 --> 04:33:34,980
It was a great meeting.

2961
04:33:34,980 --> 04:33:45,400
We had a presentation on that, say, social advocates for youth and all the different programs

2962
04:33:45,400 --> 04:33:50,100
that they have and the things that they're doing and that was a great presentation.

2963
04:33:52,260 --> 04:33:59,860
Then on the 10th, and was at the Sigma meeting, a little bit more to share on that for

2964
04:33:59,860 --> 04:34:07,540
They have been doing the guide program where they get information from the different well owners.

2965
04:34:08,120 --> 04:34:12,680
They sent out about 8,000 requests for information.

2966
04:34:13,940 --> 04:34:29,140
And of that, they got 200 calls, 120 voice mails, 91 online surveys, 23 paper surveys, and 15 email inquiries.

2967
04:34:29,140 --> 04:34:32,480
So that was just as of that point.

2968
04:34:33,140 --> 04:34:37,080
But so people are doing a really good job of helping

2969
04:34:37,080 --> 04:34:42,060
round out that data to help us with our plan.

2970
04:34:42,280 --> 04:34:44,120
The plan is proceeding.

2971
04:34:45,480 --> 04:34:47,020
The schedule is going to be tight.

2972
04:34:47,960 --> 04:34:49,460
But we're getting there.

2973
04:34:50,560 --> 04:34:55,060
The outweight group is had some folks' groups

2974
04:34:55,580 --> 04:34:58,400
and had a presentation on some of the information

2975
04:34:58,400 --> 04:35:06,400
that they learned from those focus groups, so now they will be working to format messages

2976
04:35:07,760 --> 04:35:13,580
and provide more education and things like that so that we have that coming forward.

2977
04:35:14,080 --> 04:35:16,000
And then there was a little bit of discussion.

2978
04:35:17,500 --> 04:35:22,700
Danny and I already mentioned about the drought and how serious some of that stuff is.

2979
04:35:23,680 --> 04:35:28,380
On 610 I also attended Marison Council members, but I'm sure the mayor is going to report on that.

2980
04:35:28,380 --> 04:35:36,960
And my June waste management agency meeting was canceled because we didn't have a full enough agenda.

2981
04:35:38,220 --> 04:35:40,520
So that is all I have for tonight in my short question.

2982
04:35:43,750 --> 04:35:44,790
Thank you.

2983
04:35:46,470 --> 04:35:47,630
Vice Mayor Limiton.

2984
04:35:51,380 --> 04:35:52,680
Yeah, two things very quickly.

2985
04:35:52,840 --> 04:35:57,360
First of all, I also attended the American Council members committee.

2986
04:35:57,420 --> 04:35:59,340
And I'll leave it to the Mayor to talk about it.

2987
04:35:59,380 --> 04:36:01,260
But I didn't want to guess who credit to our mayor.

2988
04:36:01,260 --> 04:36:07,080
is kind of forced to pinch it numerous times and I found out evidently much of my

2989
04:36:07,080 --> 04:36:09,940
surprise without any pre-warning really.

2990
04:36:12,020 --> 04:36:13,460
It was a difficult meeting in many

2991
04:36:13,460 --> 04:36:17,220
senses but you brought a lot of calm and clarity and ran it well and I think

2992
04:36:17,220 --> 04:36:20,480
that was a good reflection on the city so I wanted to give you credit for that.

2993
04:36:22,180 --> 04:36:26,460
Having said that one thing I'll be very careful about this is it involves

2994
04:36:26,460 --> 04:36:30,920
something that we're going to be seeing as a council but given the interest in

2995
04:36:30,920 --> 04:36:36,540
that is including our city about potentially looking at the cessation of new constructions

2996
04:36:36,540 --> 04:36:45,920
of gas stations, any new ones are any of the big process, if the last R&K meeting I did ask

2997
04:36:45,920 --> 04:36:51,540
for two things to be agendas, first of proclamation of support from the Regional Climate

2998
04:36:51,540 --> 04:36:56,640
Protection Authority for the concept of the cessation of the new construction gas stations

2999
04:36:56,640 --> 04:36:57,800
in this county.

3000
04:36:58,380 --> 04:37:00,640
And secondly, along with that, we recommend

3001
04:37:00,640 --> 04:37:02,560
to all our jurisdiction members,

3002
04:37:03,100 --> 04:37:04,600
which would be all the cities in the county,

3003
04:37:04,960 --> 04:37:07,060
as well as the county, that they also,

3004
04:37:07,200 --> 04:37:09,520
if they're not already claimed to agendaist this issue

3005
04:37:09,520 --> 04:37:12,300
for discussion, I did this because it's logic,

3006
04:37:12,500 --> 04:37:13,480
it's an item of interest,

3007
04:37:14,040 --> 04:37:16,240
it is logical that the regional climate protection

3008
04:37:16,240 --> 04:37:18,080
authority might want to look at this,

3009
04:37:18,280 --> 04:37:20,720
and wearing a regional climate protection authority

3010
04:37:20,720 --> 04:37:22,760
hat in the middle of our support list.

3011
04:37:23,060 --> 04:37:25,320
Of course, this is up to the individual jurisdictions

3012
04:37:25,320 --> 04:37:31,300
to do it way will but there's nothing wrong with us. Indeed it's one of our main functions

3013
04:37:31,300 --> 04:37:39,100
to suggest things that we is a bigger community to look at together. So that should be on the agenda for the next meeting.

3014
04:37:39,600 --> 04:37:45,060
So we'll hear about that, perhaps next meeting, we'll see where that goes. Thank you Mr. Mayor.

3015
04:37:45,660 --> 04:37:47,780
Thank you. Council Member Sparks.

3016
04:37:51,520 --> 04:37:55,340
Thank you. I also attended the members of Council members meeting and I just wanted to second

3017
04:37:55,340 --> 04:38:00,320
But I just really like my comments, but you did a great job picking up the slack of that meeting.

3018
04:38:00,680 --> 04:38:01,780
Thank you.

3019
04:38:04,000 --> 04:38:04,780
Thank you.

3020
04:38:06,000 --> 04:38:11,760
And likewise, I just want to add my thanks for forwarding my nomination to the measure of oversight.

3021
04:38:12,100 --> 04:38:13,180
Maybe at that meeting.

3022
04:38:13,700 --> 04:38:13,980
Sure thing.

3023
04:38:15,320 --> 04:38:16,040
Thank you very much.

3024
04:38:16,420 --> 04:38:23,520
That was a difficult meeting at best because as much as I offered to run the meeting from the get go.

3025
04:38:23,520 --> 04:38:34,800
For the mayor of Florida, she was insistent on trying to move the meeting from her in the in the Annapolis long vacation

3026
04:38:36,300 --> 04:38:41,200
And so there were some issues where she was not getting information she needed and she wasn't sure what direction

3027
04:38:41,200 --> 04:38:44,680
So I appreciate your support. Thank you very much on that

3028
04:38:47,080 --> 04:38:52,800
I did attend the library local lab meeting via zoom

3029
04:38:52,800 --> 04:39:01,060
We have a new interim director of the World of Park, Italian Library and they do have a good program going on right now

3030
04:39:01,060 --> 04:39:03,800
They have reached out to all of the

3031
04:39:04,720 --> 04:39:11,720
Rens of Italian high school students and I hope to bring it down to the junior high level of a library

3032
04:39:11,720 --> 04:39:12,940
High card

3033
04:39:13,940 --> 04:39:22,100
So students know what their student name is numbers are because they're used now for everything and the whole school system

3034
04:39:22,100 --> 04:39:32,560
So the snowman kind of library system is going to recognize that student number for the students to be able to access library services for anything I want and not have that stuff.

3035
04:39:34,340 --> 04:39:44,100
And have a little greater forgiveness for previous lines and things like that so that there's no as the interim director indicated there's no library shaming.

3036
04:39:44,740 --> 04:39:51,380
So I thought that was great, so they're doing some pretty good things and light up coming out of the COVID.

3037
04:39:52,200 --> 04:39:57,240
And unfortunately, the tax that was passed, I think it was 2018 from library.

3038
04:39:59,600 --> 04:40:09,040
They're in a pretty good position that haven't been in here, so they're working to do some capital improvements and some upgrades to the library system as a whole.

3039
04:40:09,280 --> 04:40:12,240
And of course, they've got the new Rosalind library coming online.

3040
04:40:12,240 --> 04:40:13,600
So that's really good.

3041
04:40:13,720 --> 04:40:15,500
So libraries don't have some pretty good things.

3042
04:40:15,920 --> 04:40:17,320
And I'm in coordination with the students.

3043
04:40:18,140 --> 04:40:22,280
The other really good news is, I think we finally got our live

3044
04:40:22,280 --> 04:40:26,980
related premium and for our access carrier for remit.

3045
04:40:28,760 --> 04:40:32,080
The wonderful news is I believe it's a 39% increase

3046
04:40:32,080 --> 04:40:35,180
as well as I correct the point then.

3047
04:40:36,000 --> 04:40:37,880
But it's a really difficult market right now.

3048
04:40:38,160 --> 04:40:40,640
So I think we're happy to have that bound

3049
04:40:40,640 --> 04:40:53,280
The positive side of the roadmap meeting is the medical program is doing really well and that was implemented and I want to say five or six years ago, so that's really really well.

3050
04:40:54,340 --> 04:40:57,700
So it's the name and the name and the name of the insurance world.

3051
04:40:59,340 --> 04:41:03,000
I think that's it on my also reports.

3052
04:41:04,360 --> 04:41:10,220
And so now we can move on to public comment on non-action agenda items.

3053
04:41:10,580 --> 04:41:13,760
We have any attendees interested in something.

3054
04:41:15,160 --> 04:41:15,900
Thank you.

3055
04:41:16,160 --> 04:41:17,680
I will open it up to public comment

3056
04:41:21,360 --> 04:41:23,500
and that will end public comment.

3057
04:41:24,260 --> 04:41:24,960
Thank you.

3058
04:41:25,740 --> 04:41:29,880
And then information seemed after the agenda was posted.

3059
04:41:30,480 --> 04:41:33,980
There was that letter that came in from Generation Housing, which I believe you did receive.

3060
04:41:33,980 --> 04:41:37,360
It is now posted to our meeting portal.

3061
04:41:38,380 --> 04:41:39,440
Thank you so much.

3062
04:41:42,160 --> 04:41:44,140
And then we are...

3063
04:41:44,140 --> 04:41:50,940
We were going to go in a closed session regarding the contract with our city manager,

3064
04:41:51,200 --> 04:41:54,040
but I don't know that we have that contract completed yet.

3065
04:41:54,040 --> 04:42:04,520
So we will put that off until the 20-7 and then any contract issues will be

3066
04:42:04,520 --> 04:42:10,440
backdated to meet with the existing end of the current contract, which is

3067
04:42:10,440 --> 04:42:11,920
July 11th.

3068
04:42:13,470 --> 04:42:15,330
You should be good on that.

3069
04:42:16,610 --> 04:42:21,790
And listeners, anything else at this point out, we will go ahead and

3070
04:42:21,790 --> 04:42:28,130
including meeting, and turn the meeting at 10, 24 p.m.

3071
04:42:29,780 --> 04:42:31,240
Thank you all very much.

3072
04:42:31,780 --> 04:42:32,980
Have a lovely fourth animal.

3073
04:42:33,140 --> 04:42:35,380
Don't talk to you guys and take care.

3074
04:42:35,560 --> 04:42:35,860
Thank you.

3075
04:42:36,740 --> 04:42:37,560
I don't.

3076
04:42:37,560 --> 04:42:37,880
Yeah.

3077
04:42:38,540 --> 04:42:39,040
Have a great night.

3078
04:42:39,740 --> 04:42:40,000
Bye.