1 00:00:00,620 --> 00:00:25,860 Welcome to the Kotwood Heights Parks and Recreation Service Area Board of Trustees work session. It is now three, excuse me, 304. And I'll go on with the Board District Representation Reports. Jen, do you have anything? I'll do you know that. Dennis? And I do not either. Okay. The next thing is the safety minute, safety meeting minute by Audrey. 2 00:00:26,460 --> 00:00:27,820 Well, if you had time, or... 3 00:00:27,820 --> 00:00:28,280 I got you. 4 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:32,160 Just say this way. 5 00:00:32,740 --> 00:00:33,060 Go. 6 00:00:33,580 --> 00:00:35,420 He's got a couple of he related accidents. 7 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,320 It's been extra hot so we only need to make sure 8 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,700 and hydrate to our aquatic compartment. 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,660 They're like our games team to replace it. 10 00:00:41,780 --> 00:00:42,700 They're like our games this year. 11 00:00:43,140 --> 00:00:45,480 Our safety top was them and then the safety top 12 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:46,640 was brought to us by Ellie Brown. 13 00:00:46,860 --> 00:00:49,260 We can't control who was filming, but we can't control 14 00:00:49,260 --> 00:00:50,720 how we conduct ourselves reminded. 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,820 People can record a smart, smart glasses, smart watches, 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:54,960 doorbell cameras, dashhams. 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,080 When they're livestreaming, maybe someone is even reporting on a child's reaching a milestone. 18 00:00:59,420 --> 00:01:04,020 So because we are on stage, especially when we're representing CHRC, we need to A, respond 19 00:01:04,020 --> 00:01:08,060 appropriately, even if someone is at set B, water body language, C, remember our words 20 00:01:08,060 --> 00:01:09,900 of a patient who's yet to take him out of the rally here. 21 00:01:10,300 --> 00:01:14,240 Next, they do committee manual, B, all but usually September 8th, L and M and here's a cute 22 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:14,720 little flyer. 23 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:15,880 That's great. 24 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:16,880 That's it? 25 00:01:18,140 --> 00:01:18,920 That's a good topic. 26 00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:20,280 41. 27 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:45,800 Okay, the next item is information and discussion regarding possible truth and taxation. 28 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:54,200 Yes, so this has been a conversation that we've been having all year in knowing that kind 29 00:01:54,200 --> 00:02:00,780 of eight years ago, the board that was in place then, we had to make a pretty significant 30 00:02:01,140 --> 00:02:07,500 truth and taxation process happen because it hadn't been done so long, the board, whether 31 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:15,320 committed for future boards or made a suggestion that this is something we visit every three to 32 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:20,120 five years. If not, I mean, you could always do it annually if you want it to 33 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:25,040 or every other year and we kind of all discuss it. Generally about every 34 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,960 four years still is about the right time to do that and we'll go through some 35 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:34,740 historical data and you can see how we percentage wise where we will peak and 36 00:02:34,740 --> 00:02:38,520 then we start to drop and drop and drop because as you know we can't collect more 37 00:02:41,380 --> 00:02:42,360 than our number? 38 00:02:42,980 --> 00:02:46,500 Yeah, our middle-levy rates, regardless of what home prices do. 39 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:49,260 And that's something tricky for the public to understand. 40 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,260 So even if our house goes up, doesn't mean we get more money. 41 00:02:53,380 --> 00:02:54,920 We only can collect the same amount of money 42 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:55,640 that we budget for. 43 00:02:55,780 --> 00:02:58,320 Unless we go through this trip and taxing process. 44 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,000 So Patty kind of challenged us as a staff 45 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:10,340 to come with some historical data of cost and things as a facility as a whole. 46 00:03:11,780 --> 00:03:18,400 And so we started with utilities, purely just gas, power, water, and then we did our parks, 47 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:28,280 water sewer garbage. And I think for the most part we have this pretty dialed in except for 48 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:33,980 electricity seems to be one that is all over the board. We took an average for this year when we 49 00:03:33,980 --> 00:03:39,940 put our budget together hoping that that's where we'll land. We're slightly 50 00:03:39,940 --> 00:03:46,640 above budget year date across our futures. And a lot of this has to do with 51 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,660 what the weather's doing outside, whether our colds, whether we're hot, whether 52 00:03:50,660 --> 00:03:56,900 we're dry, or we'll wet. So there are a lot of variables. As you can see water is 53 00:03:56,900 --> 00:04:04,720 It's a challenge and it really has tried very diligently to dial in spring loads as much 54 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:05,180 as possible. 55 00:04:05,420 --> 00:04:06,360 Kevin is very aware. 56 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,120 But some of these ebbs and flows happen when we have to drain pools. 57 00:04:11,140 --> 00:04:14,820 Something we'll talk about, you know, we have to do our our dive tape repairs next spring. 58 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,680 Right now, if I just calculate the cost of water, it's in process 30 grain to refill it. 59 00:04:20,020 --> 00:04:25,860 I mean, that's how much water is, and so sometimes we have unexpected things with pools where we 60 00:04:25,860 --> 00:04:27,940 we have to end up drinking or we don't even want to. 61 00:04:28,180 --> 00:04:30,500 And also, increases in water rates. 62 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:31,780 And the increases in water rates, 63 00:04:31,860 --> 00:04:33,300 and they've now come up in New Teres 64 00:04:33,300 --> 00:04:35,060 and solid public utilities 65 00:04:35,060 --> 00:04:36,440 because I think the last two years 66 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:37,940 raised water prices. 67 00:04:39,460 --> 00:04:45,100 So we, that's kind of up and down a little bit. 68 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:46,680 So I just kind of wanted to show you, 69 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,140 and then here's a graph, 70 00:04:49,060 --> 00:04:50,320 the current graphs. 71 00:04:51,180 --> 00:04:58,520 It's a little hard to, you can see 2025 on the left. 72 00:04:58,760 --> 00:04:59,680 This is your 2025. 73 00:04:59,980 --> 00:05:00,380 So the blue is on the side. 74 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,220 I'm not following this up. 75 00:05:02,660 --> 00:05:05,400 Okay, so the bars are the years? 76 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:06,260 Oh, okay. 77 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:06,780 Got you. 78 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,200 Any bars are 2020. 79 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:10,020 Blue bars are 2025. 80 00:05:10,420 --> 00:05:10,900 Gotcha. 81 00:05:11,380 --> 00:05:12,180 So you have the letters. 82 00:05:12,380 --> 00:05:15,500 You can see we're pretty consistent of going in. 83 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,560 So utilities is one of the things that we constantly have to. 84 00:05:19,700 --> 00:05:25,800 account for when we're talking, when, when is the right time to raise taxes? 85 00:05:26,100 --> 00:05:33,320 Yeah. Okay. So the next one we have is our repairs and maintenance and this is 86 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:39,420 purely just broken in between operations, so all things building and then all 87 00:05:39,420 --> 00:05:48,540 all these parks. As you can see, we'll do the graphics that works better for you guys. 88 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,440 We need the header, but we probably want the district, but we're talking here. 89 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:01,040 Again, blue is 2025. We just went back the last three years, right? 90 00:06:01,980 --> 00:06:07,880 Those costs tend to go up. 2024 was a little bit unique in that we have track funding 91 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:13,380 for our parks and so parks when he was down a little bit because we had received 92 00:06:13,380 --> 00:06:19,880 alternate finding sources but as you can see operations why this continues to 93 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:25,900 increase because our building actually behind we might need an outdoor open 94 00:06:25,900 --> 00:06:30,200 could that help me with that one is cold and I think it's totally that or if anyone 95 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,420 needs to zip out and cool off that's how that happened with a special fund. 96 00:06:35,780 --> 00:06:42,760 So track is tourism, recreation, art, and culture. 97 00:06:43,020 --> 00:06:44,000 Commercials, something, or. 98 00:06:44,340 --> 00:06:49,060 So they offer track every year for certain projects. 99 00:06:49,220 --> 00:06:52,120 And we kind of had an agreement with the city at one point 100 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:53,420 where they would go for track coming in. 101 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:54,320 And we would go for track. 102 00:06:54,460 --> 00:06:55,880 And we would go for track. 103 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,540 And we were supportive of them doing that and vice versa. 104 00:06:59,700 --> 00:07:02,880 They were looking more for like trails, streets, 105 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,440 exactly in this early parks, but some of their parks have been helped. That's how we got the playgrounds. 106 00:07:07,620 --> 00:07:13,980 Yeah, we got the playgrounds in Anacac, Mill Hollow, and by the way, two of those parks are ours, 107 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:20,060 one is the cities. But usually that is also met with matching funds. 108 00:07:20,540 --> 00:07:25,260 Yeah, so we need to account for that. So one of the projects when we get into when we're talking 109 00:07:25,260 --> 00:07:30,600 capital for next year is some skate park improvements. That might be an avenue for us to 110 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:31,720 Yes. 111 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,200 I know a house. 112 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:36,860 Sure. 113 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:43,340 The county maintains it. 114 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:46,060 The county names on the committee. 115 00:07:47,420 --> 00:07:50,060 And after they take their share. 116 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:58,960 Because that is also how the county funds the free passes for the youth in the summer time at their recreational practice. 117 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:09,500 Yeah, so it's again, it's crumbs at the end, so it's life. 118 00:08:09,780 --> 00:08:14,580 So there are some things that we will we will go after track again next year. 119 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:19,940 We can do it this year because we were going after procreation bond money and the city didn't 120 00:08:19,940 --> 00:08:24,820 go after any higher, but you know what, if we end up off going forward and off going forward, 121 00:08:24,980 --> 00:08:26,940 I think that we're at that point. 122 00:08:26,940 --> 00:08:27,980 Why didn't they go for it? 123 00:08:28,140 --> 00:08:29,080 Was it in their term too? 124 00:08:29,460 --> 00:08:29,560 Yeah. 125 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:31,000 Well, I think it's their term. 126 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,140 And it's also, they have a new administration too. 127 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,920 So I think that they, and they've been, 128 00:08:38,940 --> 00:08:42,340 they've been great in giving us $60,000 129 00:08:42,340 --> 00:08:44,500 towards these kind of projects. 130 00:08:44,940 --> 00:08:46,940 I mean, it committed that to a recreation bond 131 00:08:46,940 --> 00:08:47,640 that didn't happen. 132 00:08:48,860 --> 00:08:51,540 So if we were to find some grant money or whatever, 133 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,540 I think they're always in for helping us 134 00:08:53,540 --> 00:09:01,460 comes to things and works or other things that we've had the ice arena roof was 135 00:09:01,460 --> 00:09:08,320 track funny yeah a long time ago and and it kind of used to be a fun where 136 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:15,940 not many people knew about it definitely a lot more public and out there 137 00:09:15,940 --> 00:09:22,220 so but you can see we we don't really spend money in our requirements and it 138 00:09:22,220 --> 00:09:28,120 It just continues to go up the other building that's a lot of repairs and we try and work 139 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,560 in what we can to repair the maintenance that maybe should be capital, but it ends up 140 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:33,380 through repairs and maintenance. 141 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:34,680 Yeah. 142 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:41,460 So it kept in half the juggle that and he has to juggle that of where those things fall. 143 00:09:41,460 --> 00:09:44,380 So wages, 144 00:09:46,940 --> 00:09:57,780 so as we know employees are our greatest asset that we have, and they cost a lot of money. 145 00:09:58,740 --> 00:10:08,780 And so we spend about $3.5 million a year on salaries and wages, insurance, those kind of things. 146 00:10:08,780 --> 00:10:15,360 And, you know, I think we, in 2023 is when the last pay scale came out, we mean some 147 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,740 significant adjustments, and that went right along with our last tax increase. 148 00:10:20,980 --> 00:10:24,040 We adjusted our full-time scale, and we adjusted our part-time scale. 149 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,640 Since then, the full-time scale has been adjusted for coal as in there. 150 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:35,540 So, people have, with evaluation, gotten their increases, but we've also adjusted that 151 00:10:35,540 --> 00:10:37,900 scale every year for coal as well. 152 00:10:37,900 --> 00:10:43,060 The part time scale, we've given merits where there are just, you know, 153 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,440 where evaluations have been done in time and things like that have happened, 154 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:50,700 but we've never adjusted that part time scale since 2023 for COLA's. 155 00:10:51,340 --> 00:10:56,660 And so it might be the right time to make that adjustment on the part time scale. 156 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:03,620 We feel like the full time scale is, you know, we'd like to continue to adjust for the COLA and the merits. 157 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,420 And, you know, happy to, because we have a lot of part-time stuff. 158 00:11:09,780 --> 00:11:13,300 Yeah, right now we're seeing that 362 employees in August. 159 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,220 And only 26 of those are full time. 160 00:11:15,660 --> 00:11:16,220 Yeah, but wow. 161 00:11:16,460 --> 00:11:16,560 Yeah. 162 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,640 So, I mean, our peak, I think this year was 389 or something. 163 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,680 So, we have, I don't think people realize how many people we employ. 164 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:26,780 No, people do. 165 00:11:26,780 --> 00:11:30,820 Because you look at this budget and you're like $3 million per staff. 166 00:11:30,820 --> 00:11:34,520 but you realize that a lot of people do not realize that. 167 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:41,900 Yeah, we hire a lot of people and you know we've never we've been in 85-15s 168 00:11:41,900 --> 00:11:48,040 lit for health insurance for the last 15 years. You know we haven't never 169 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:55,280 looked at changing that. We went from 100% to 90-10 to 85-15 and I feel like 170 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,980 that's probably a fair enough place to. Yeah that's one thing that we like to 171 00:11:59,980 --> 00:12:02,220 to provide support for. 172 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,780 Yeah, and, you know, like I said, I think we're competitive. 173 00:12:06,180 --> 00:12:08,240 I just, I think one of the things that we're going to look at 174 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,080 is adjusting our parking fee scale to adjust the COLA. 175 00:12:11,300 --> 00:12:12,880 Yeah, we're necessary. 176 00:12:13,260 --> 00:12:15,640 So that's one of the other areas. 177 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,360 CPI, the last three years, is an average of 3.2%. 178 00:12:22,740 --> 00:12:25,240 Sorry, I can't guess. 179 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:26,380 Thank you. 180 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,040 I'm sorry, I couldn't order to make it bigger 181 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:38,120 from the screen. So that's an average of say 10% or that's a total of 10% okay. I'm sorry I do 182 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:45,980 not know what CPI is. So that's the consumer pricing. Oh I didn't know what that is. Yeah yeah yeah 183 00:12:45,980 --> 00:12:54,260 got you. Sorry yeah yeah yeah so yeah no that always does that yeah that continues to go up. So with 184 00:12:54,260 --> 00:13:00,700 26 also that doesn't include 26. It does not. So we just degenerate a gene 185 00:13:00,700 --> 00:13:05,920 where I am. I mean obviously CPI you have to just choose what your months are 186 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:14,760 anymore. Yeah. For budget process, we've chosen to go August to August, but it's 187 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,020 school. For school, it does a lot of the school district, it goes a lot of times. 188 00:13:18,100 --> 00:13:21,260 We've paid scale, but for this purpose I can't right now because I don't have 189 00:13:21,260 --> 00:13:26,340 August isn't over yet. It takes about six weeks to get those numbers. Sure. We don't usually 190 00:13:26,340 --> 00:13:31,820 know the exact number of August August or July until about six weeks after the month ends. 191 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:45,220 So that gives you some information and then capital. So what we found, I'm good at holding on 192 00:13:48,140 --> 00:13:55,620 So these are our capital process, that's too big, so that's 193 00:13:58,560 --> 00:13:59,720 20 to 26. 194 00:14:00,060 --> 00:14:10,260 20 to 26 and you can tell, so 2020, we actually had a tax increase in 2019 and our 2020 budget had twice this amount for capital 195 00:14:10,260 --> 00:14:16,000 2020 happened and we had to dial back significantly because of COVID and we 196 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,140 were closed for a portion of that time and a very limited income and so we 197 00:14:19,140 --> 00:14:24,420 really have to cancel some of our projects and we scale back as much as 198 00:14:24,420 --> 00:14:29,240 much as we could. That should get $100 to be $100,000. 199 00:14:31,700 --> 00:14:34,920 So 2021 we went up, 2022 we 200 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,180 We went up 2023's winter tax increase, 201 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:38,280 we went in, right? 202 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,940 Because that's the last tax increase. 203 00:14:41,500 --> 00:14:43,600 And our significant portion of doing that tax increase 204 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:44,240 is capital. 205 00:14:44,980 --> 00:14:46,640 Well, over time, right? 206 00:14:46,940 --> 00:14:50,880 It drops again, so 2024 dropped, 2025 dropped, 207 00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:52,480 and you can look at 2026. 208 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,720 That's all we had to spend on capital to share. 209 00:14:56,060 --> 00:14:56,940 That's one of them. 210 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,880 The things I've noticed sitting in the seat I sat in. 211 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:29,660 As long as they have, we capital starts to drop well below where it should be. It's time for a taxi increase. Yeah. And so that clearly gives you a little bit of a history of how much we have spent on where we spend on capital projects. No, that's very helpful. Thank you. I was going to ask you. Did that help? Yeah. 100%. Okay, because we're thinking, you know, the general public, we need to explain to them what we're doing, what's happening. 212 00:15:29,660 --> 00:15:37,220 Yeah, in fact, if you would send that to me, I would like it because I, you know, I found it's really good to have like 213 00:15:38,060 --> 00:15:39,880 Numbers in my head to discuss 214 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:46,000 Yeah, absolutely. I can send this off to you and all you will also post it with our board anything I get to you 215 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:51,540 I have a son of public interest right which is straight. That's great. So where did you spend the 500 on that? 216 00:15:51,580 --> 00:15:57,240 I think it was close to 500 thousand twenty-twenty-three. I don't know how it is, but we every budget season 217 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:23,140 So, and you'll get to experience this first year, and so, starting next month, we start our budget process for 2027, and as a staff, collectively, and we've actually done a lot of, like, work pretty, that meeting that we're going to talk about in a second of capital projects, and we bring those generally to you guys as a board and say, here's our list of capital projects, and this budget starts to shape itself and determines how much we have left for capital, and then we start prioritizing the projects. 218 00:16:23,140 --> 00:16:29,640 With safety comes first, contractual comes first, matching funds come, those things start 219 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:30,500 writing to the top. 220 00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:33,020 But then we also have to protect our investment, right? 221 00:16:33,580 --> 00:16:38,640 If the outdoor pool is totally failing and I can't open it, we've got to figure out a way 222 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,620 to do that because we can't be who we are without some of those. 223 00:16:42,820 --> 00:16:47,400 That was the year, wasn't it, the ICE mechanical? 224 00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:48,740 Oh, it was. 225 00:16:48,900 --> 00:16:50,000 And also the pool. 226 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,340 Yeah, it was a bad year. 227 00:16:52,620 --> 00:16:52,800 That's right. 228 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:53,980 Everything broke. 229 00:16:54,060 --> 00:16:57,400 In our pool broke for, we were down almost like a night. 230 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,300 And then I remember that. 231 00:16:59,340 --> 00:16:59,620 I remember that. 232 00:16:59,620 --> 00:17:00,000 I remember that. 233 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,200 I was down for a few years. 234 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:02,080 Yeah. 235 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,220 Because we had one type of project plan. 236 00:17:04,340 --> 00:17:07,240 We had to pivot that ice project to a different new project. 237 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:08,320 It could be ice went down. 238 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:08,880 Yeah. 239 00:17:09,020 --> 00:17:09,180 That's right. 240 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:10,380 It was a bad year. 241 00:17:10,740 --> 00:17:13,360 But that's what we face because it's an old building. 242 00:17:13,580 --> 00:17:14,140 It's an old building. 243 00:17:14,300 --> 00:17:19,980 And the other thing to keep in mind right is we can have in Capitol Reserves. 244 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,940 as much as our budget is. So in theory we can have six million dollars in capital 245 00:17:24,940 --> 00:17:33,880 reserves, right? A rainy day five. Yeah. We have 600,000. Right? I feel like it's 246 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,920 very responsible as to at least have half that amount. Three million would probably 247 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:43,980 be the right number to get strife towards. So as we do tax increases we need to 248 00:17:43,980 --> 00:17:49,180 say we're going to commit 50,000 or 100,000 in this. It's going to go into capital 249 00:17:49,180 --> 00:17:53,160 research like for those moments right and when we go through this capital 250 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,500 list or just a second you'll see a couple of our account reviews are half a million 251 00:17:56,500 --> 00:18:01,700 dollars right now yeah I really think it's a public book except that you know 252 00:18:01,700 --> 00:18:06,200 presented like this right we have an old building we need to have some 253 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:11,180 research when something not if when something breaks right you know and you know 254 00:18:11,180 --> 00:18:14,680 that you better know when you've seen it as you've seen it yeah when something breaks 255 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:21,020 another thing is with we did a master plan and we in that master plan we left it 256 00:18:21,020 --> 00:18:27,280 open for the company of ECBO to come in and figure out what we're doing their 257 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:32,740 recommendation is don't keep putting the old money into the old building start 258 00:18:32,740 --> 00:18:40,700 over and so that was what the master plan was based on and we were realistic we 259 00:18:40,700 --> 00:18:45,440 know we can't do it. $80 million. Unless we found a private donor of 60 260 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,980 million, I don't I don't know how that becomes reality. I think if you had 261 00:18:49,980 --> 00:18:55,200 75 or 80% even right that funds, the public would probably be up for doing a 262 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,600 bond of 20 million to support the rest, right? But other than that, I don't 263 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:06,660 want to keep bonding, right? And you know, it is a sort of 264 00:19:06,660 --> 00:19:13,220 object. Okay, and then we have a bond at since 2010 with our last bond. Oh, really? 265 00:19:13,380 --> 00:19:18,940 Yeah, we paid it off. We're about half inside. We're dead free. Actually, actually, we'll 266 00:19:18,940 --> 00:19:23,420 be free. Okay. So, here is since 2010. 267 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:38,020 So, the one over here? Bonnie, you want to go over 268 00:19:39,060 --> 00:19:44,020 So the things we'll line up at the top is our bond, right? 269 00:19:44,780 --> 00:19:48,120 And the bars are what our property tax rate was. 270 00:19:48,780 --> 00:19:52,020 Together is what the community was paying. 271 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:53,760 So when we took out the bond, right? 272 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,820 Our tax rate was probably point a real rate at 75% 273 00:19:58,820 --> 00:19:59,900 of our property's rate. 274 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:01,400 Does that make sense? 275 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,180 I'm going to say it doesn't. 276 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,300 OK, I don't understand. 277 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,240 So OK, so this blue bar right here, 278 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:13,420 Yeah, these bars all right here. Yeah, this is what our general property tax rate is so when you guys have property tax rate 279 00:20:13,420 --> 00:20:19,480 You know zero zero something. Yep. Okay. That's what this is, right? Okay, I don't understand the center 280 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,660 So this is when we took out the bond 281 00:20:21,660 --> 00:20:23,980 If you look up here 282 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:31,280 So the top number this board is that we were at 46% of our authorized rate if we had just property tax 283 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:36,220 Because we added a bond we were taxing at 76% so you guys as 284 00:20:36,220 --> 00:20:40,040 property tax owners or paying 76% of our 285 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:45,940 operators. So the bond has to be within our range. It doesn't know. We can go 286 00:20:45,940 --> 00:20:49,720 above. Yeah that's what I thought. It doesn't count you to point here 014. It 287 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,540 does not count into that. You can go above your 288 00:20:51,540 --> 00:20:54,160 operators. We didn't for the amount that was 289 00:20:54,160 --> 00:21:02,440 bonded. We bonded for 4.9 million in 2010. So you we we chatted along, right? 2014 290 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:11,600 there was a tax increase, that's how we jumped from 48% right here, 56% right, but we were that 291 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:21,700 fund the bond, 90% roughly of the authorized rate. Okay, we chatted a lot again, we do another 292 00:21:21,700 --> 00:21:27,760 tax increase in 2019. This was the big one at the time, what's interesting and we'll talk about this, 293 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,280 is we went for $750,000. 294 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,020 We had to rip abandoned off at the time. 295 00:21:33,020 --> 00:21:35,940 It was a 47% tax increase. 296 00:21:36,220 --> 00:21:36,440 OK. 297 00:21:36,940 --> 00:21:38,440 So more than what the city is doing, 298 00:21:38,460 --> 00:21:42,320 not $3 million or $2.00, whatever their amount is, right? 299 00:21:42,660 --> 00:21:45,580 Which put us at 61% of our authorized rate. 300 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,360 So 2020 happens. 301 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:50,720 We get to 2021. 302 00:21:51,300 --> 00:21:55,220 And if you look down here, that was the year we paid off the bond. 303 00:21:55,220 --> 00:22:01,460 We made our last bond payment in 2021. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. What hit what our customers are 304 00:22:02,020 --> 00:22:06,020 No one realized this so in 2022 we dropped 42% 305 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:11,860 And everyone said money by your no one realized we did a tax decrease. Yeah 306 00:22:12,740 --> 00:22:17,500 High say but because of the year in COVID, we didn't go for another bond 307 00:22:17,500 --> 00:22:23,600 We should have gone a bond neutral, right? We should have whatever that amount was three million two million five million 308 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,760 and I don't want you to keep everybody at the same property. 309 00:22:26,780 --> 00:22:28,380 But it still has to go to a vote. 310 00:22:28,580 --> 00:22:29,780 It would have to go to a vote. 311 00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:32,160 But most people are like, well, you're not raising 312 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,920 anything, you're just keeping that the same. 313 00:22:34,260 --> 00:22:37,420 Well, we've significantly dropped people's taxes pretty quick. 314 00:22:38,020 --> 00:22:41,000 And I don't think, if you went back into your 2022 tax, 315 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,000 then you would notice a significant decrease. 316 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:45,560 Nobody notices me. 317 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,860 You're interested in getting a good, good, I didn't see it. 318 00:22:47,940 --> 00:22:50,300 Yeah, nobody notices me when you get home a decrease. 319 00:22:50,900 --> 00:22:51,700 No, I didn't see it. 320 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,060 I didn't see it. 321 00:22:53,060 --> 00:22:55,980 So we knew that we needed to raise taxes again. 322 00:22:56,220 --> 00:23:01,760 So when you go back up 2023, we raised taxes, not quite as much. 323 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:08,120 It was a 23% tax increase at the time, which was not enough. 324 00:23:09,140 --> 00:23:09,740 I'll be very honest. 325 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,540 You can see it barely put us over the 50% and how fast you dropped. 326 00:23:14,940 --> 00:23:15,780 2020, 2020 dropped. 327 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,360 I know blurriers aren't just me. 328 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:18,460 There's so many people. 329 00:23:18,820 --> 00:23:20,280 So we should count it up. 330 00:23:20,940 --> 00:23:21,420 2019. 331 00:23:21,420 --> 00:23:30,240 19. Oh, that's increased. It's the life. How did the public accept that? I don't remember. But I was about 40 332 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:35,640 patrons here, or property cash owners, they came 19 of them spoke. 333 00:23:37,860 --> 00:23:46,280 Probably 15 to 16 had something to say about it or upset. We had three or four that just said I get it. 334 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:54,320 this is where we're around where we need to be and then the board chose to stick with that amount. 335 00:23:54,560 --> 00:24:04,640 And 2023, even less people. Oh yeah, we agree. Yeah, agree. But that was how much of an increase. 336 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,680 Do you remember? It was at 23 percent. 23 percent. But it was only in the amount of about 400. 337 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:14,040 Yeah, 300,000, 450,000 wasn't as much. 338 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,440 So continue to stay up on raising taxes every few years. 339 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,740 Yeah, a percentage is as great. 340 00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:24,300 When we get to the slide that says $750,000 this year, 341 00:24:24,420 --> 00:24:26,120 it's only a 25% tax increase. 342 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,800 Eight years ago, it was a 47% tax increase. 343 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,100 We haven't done that for a year. 344 00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:33,340 And the dollar doesn't buy as much. 345 00:24:33,500 --> 00:24:33,740 True. 346 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:34,300 True. 347 00:24:34,300 --> 00:24:50,620 So that's kind of the history of what pretty good what that is and what that looks like right now or 45% of our available tax rate right now. 348 00:24:50,620 --> 00:25:01,180 So really just, and Patty and I were talking about this, nationwide most districts and places 349 00:25:01,180 --> 00:25:10,340 that tax are 16 to 65% property subsidized by property taxes, 30 or 35 to 40% each of these. 350 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,300 We seem to float right around 50-50. 351 00:25:15,740 --> 00:25:20,900 maybe the first year you do a property tax increase were higher obviously but it 352 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:28,320 continues to yeah to drop yeah so and we can plug in numbers you know if you 353 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,560 just go this amount this is where it would put us percentage wise or whatever and 354 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:40,420 you understand we have the authority just a vote to change the taxes to the 355 00:25:40,420 --> 00:25:46,400 male levy amount so you could go point zero zero one for tomorrow if you want 356 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,820 yeah yeah you have to go through the process but yeah you have to go through the 357 00:25:49,820 --> 00:25:52,160 process but that is our authority 358 00:25:54,660 --> 00:25:59,280 okay so that kind of gives you a little bit the history of how we've gotten to 359 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:04,760 where we've gotten to all right okay 360 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,300 so this is going to be really hard to see 361 00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:20,160 I apologize but um so we went through made kind of a capital project list from 2026 to 2040 so the 362 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:30,820 next 15 years roughly um and this is still I think a growing living document and things more 363 00:26:30,820 --> 00:26:38,100 change, but we really wanted to get some things on the calendar, or on the schedule. 364 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:45,100 Things we were choosing in the 2026, like Kevin is going to do the South Dakota work 365 00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:50,600 out of his repairs and maintenance budget, but sure, because it has to be done, and we 366 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,900 didn't get prioritized for a capital project. 367 00:26:54,260 --> 00:26:56,900 And that's over the administration area, are that or are there? 368 00:26:57,620 --> 00:26:59,180 Yes, I believe that's that one. 369 00:26:59,180 --> 00:27:03,460 I think so. I think so. I think so too. There are so many. No, I think we talked about that. 370 00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:06,340 I think we talked about that a little bit. Yeah. Which were what? 371 00:27:06,380 --> 00:27:10,460 The multi-zone is this one, this one that we're melting. It does right now. 372 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,820 It does again. It is finally cooling. I think we're going to, again, 373 00:27:15,980 --> 00:27:19,460 require some needs and maintenance. We're going to put some effort into it, 374 00:27:19,460 --> 00:27:23,880 but have a plan in the next few years to replace it. It really needs to be replaced. 375 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:32,320 But what makes the most sense, in our dietary clusters already been budgeted for it is a capital project that starts on Monday. 376 00:27:32,940 --> 00:27:33,060 Good. 377 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:46,160 He has a company coming out in the fall to identify the leaks in the article exactly where they're coming from so we know what issues we're dealing with for leaks. 378 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:51,320 Besides the gutter, we think it's the pipe that feeds the mushroom that hasn't worked in 379 00:27:52,180 --> 00:27:53,220 six, seven years. 380 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:53,800 Yeah. 381 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,780 There's a crack, there's a leak somewhere. 382 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,040 We just don't know if that's under the pool leak, if it's under the deck, where that leak 383 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:05,780 is coming from, so leak detection, something is coming to identify that and any other leaks that 384 00:28:05,780 --> 00:28:06,300 we may have. 385 00:28:07,860 --> 00:28:08,300 So, 386 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,740 And that's happening September October. 387 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,840 Yeah, when the pool gets ready to shut down, so most likely it'll be the first part of 388 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,940 So we're, um, that we can do that. 389 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:22,720 So, um, so 2027, something that we've identified 390 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,740 that really need to be taking care of, 391 00:28:24,740 --> 00:28:26,600 which are major capital projects, right? 392 00:28:27,540 --> 00:28:28,940 Um, men's locker room, air hand room, 393 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:30,300 and the fitness room, air hand room, 394 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,040 and if you work out in there, you will know. 395 00:28:32,380 --> 00:28:33,200 But, uh, really warm in there. 396 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:33,960 Really warm. 397 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,480 Especially pool packed. 398 00:28:35,620 --> 00:28:37,060 If you've walked into the especially pool, 399 00:28:37,340 --> 00:28:39,180 life cards are melting, um, 400 00:28:39,740 --> 00:28:41,580 we have to, we have to do some things 401 00:28:41,580 --> 00:28:47,460 to help just staff wise stay in a reasonable temperature because it will get up into the 90s 402 00:28:47,460 --> 00:28:55,500 somewhere and it's really hot. The specialty classroom downstairs, full pack over the 403 00:28:55,500 --> 00:29:01,580 stuff, the classroom. So that's a big one, right? And again, knowing that it's not realistic 404 00:29:01,580 --> 00:29:06,760 for a we're not prepared financially to spend half a million dollars on one unit next year. 405 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,520 So what can we do to get us through a couple of years? 406 00:29:09,820 --> 00:29:16,100 So right now, it actually makes sense after fixing out our pool to do that, you know, right? 407 00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:18,780 And that's why you can see the half a million dollars to make sure. 408 00:29:18,860 --> 00:29:21,660 Okay, so tell me, what is that exactly? 409 00:29:22,420 --> 00:29:24,400 So that's an air hammer, you know, up over the splash. 410 00:29:24,460 --> 00:29:25,840 It's a half a million dollars. 411 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:27,700 Those things are huge. 412 00:29:27,940 --> 00:29:28,640 Oh my gosh. 413 00:29:29,020 --> 00:29:33,560 Yeah, but they're, they're also because yeah, they're over swimming pool. 414 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:40,880 They have to absorb all the moisture and the chlorine and they just get eaten up 20 years. 415 00:29:41,580 --> 00:29:42,900 Over 23 years. 416 00:29:43,060 --> 00:29:44,160 I was going to get rid of them. 417 00:29:44,180 --> 00:29:44,320 Yeah. 418 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:45,980 And they're hungry. 419 00:29:46,340 --> 00:29:47,380 Especially over a pool. 420 00:29:47,580 --> 00:29:48,140 Is there a problem? 421 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,570 They maintain the humidity and air is mature. 422 00:29:51,420 --> 00:29:51,560 Yeah. 423 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,730 Let me think of your own food. 424 00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:54,140 Oh yeah, no, no. 425 00:29:54,380 --> 00:29:55,480 I'm just shocked to the price. 426 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,220 I was like, wow. 427 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:56,620 Yeah. 428 00:29:56,700 --> 00:29:57,700 And that's today's price. 429 00:29:57,940 --> 00:29:58,420 Oh, frying. 430 00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,580 No, that could be $600. 431 00:29:59,580 --> 00:29:59,900 Don't worry about it enough. 432 00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:29,980 So, you know, we're kind of gaffing on some of these. The diet team is being recost here, and it's actually 65,000 that we've edited. So, racing pool is the most likely $100,000, right? I mean, the cost of plaster has gone up significantly. The new covenants got to repair. We just got our first bid back to fix those. That's $125,000. And I asked having, if we can only do, 433 00:30:29,980 --> 00:30:34,920 We do gutter and coping stone next year, but the following year we can fix the plaster and the liner. 434 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:43,860 Are we throwing good money away? And no, we can read, because we're going to keep the pool where it is, so the gutter can stay. 435 00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:49,180 College repairs are fine. You just carefully have to lift all the coping stones off and you replace them. 436 00:30:49,820 --> 00:30:55,840 Oh, so that's okay, right? Because I don't think we're in any place. 437 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:03,620 We're not prepared timeline-wise to make outdoor pool project next year without knowing 438 00:31:03,620 --> 00:31:07,480 for sure where we're going to be in the truth and taxation process this year. 439 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,460 So there's some pumps, there are, we have pickable outputs that have to be resurfaced and 440 00:31:13,460 --> 00:31:14,400 they should be on a schedule. 441 00:31:14,980 --> 00:31:17,860 We've done one through three, but we haven't done four through six, right? 442 00:31:18,460 --> 00:31:21,600 And so every five years, five to seven. 443 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:29,820 I think we're on average, I think we're on average three to five, but that doesn't mean I think for tennis courts it was five to seven. 444 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,320 They couldn't afford because they're so small because they have so much use of three to five. 445 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,560 And we've been off four to six the last three years. Yeah, like it's a well pass. 446 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,300 It's almost time to do one, two, three again. 447 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,860 And I have about three years later, but it probably should be two. 448 00:31:46,380 --> 00:31:52,640 Bio water park fencing, this is part of the track project that got cut because of the cost of the fencing. 449 00:31:53,880 --> 00:32:03,720 I may guess it's two rounds of fencing, we're going to have to plan half and half, but fencing is easy, 75,000 or $1,000 per section or whatever. 450 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,360 It's crazy how much fencing is. 451 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,960 And some of our fencing is for your place, just pure safety. 452 00:32:10,740 --> 00:32:12,680 what's broken on the chain link. 453 00:32:13,020 --> 00:32:14,960 So by a lot of heart field improvements, 454 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,780 I've talked to Andy, we might not be able to do 75,000 455 00:32:18,780 --> 00:32:20,460 all at once, but we've got 25,000, 456 00:32:20,540 --> 00:32:23,060 this build, 25,000, this build, 25,000 backfill. 457 00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:25,380 There's something I'm trying to work with, 458 00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:28,340 Lily, in what they can contribute. 459 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:29,400 Oh, okay. 460 00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:30,400 Before you move that, 461 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,320 I see these two big numbers there, 462 00:32:32,420 --> 00:32:37,060 500,000 for new liner, a purple, plaster repair 350. 463 00:32:37,060 --> 00:32:41,980 So, as I think in conjunction, you fix the plaster, then do the liner on the floor. 464 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,640 So that's what's happening now. 465 00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:46,860 The liner's being destroyed because the plaster is loose. 466 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,840 If you walk on a shelf and weave more pastures. 467 00:32:51,140 --> 00:32:51,900 You can feel it in your feet. 468 00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:52,240 Yeah. 469 00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:55,820 And that also then turn ruining the liner. 470 00:32:56,420 --> 00:32:56,980 Yeah, of course. 471 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:03,080 And really when this little splash pad, that is scary. 472 00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:03,720 It's crazy. 473 00:33:03,860 --> 00:33:04,440 That's crunchy. 474 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,800 The elbow pulls are just sanding, the dough is crumpling. 475 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,040 It's the same, yeah. 476 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,800 Well, it could be very honest when we did this in 2010. 477 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,400 We knew the liner, the warranty is like 12 years, it's lifespan is 15. 478 00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:21,380 So we're passed up. 479 00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:25,340 And it was definitely a band-aid to not have to repair the plaster. 480 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,400 The outpoint, the plaster has been spilling on playing more and more and more and more and more. 481 00:33:31,260 --> 00:33:37,140 And I'm just making a guess when the plaster guys here next week will ask him for an estimate of true 482 00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:43,540 what it costs to. Where you do the plaster, but it might not be something you can do. It might have to be like a ZEM type company 483 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:50,020 because they're going to be repair. I don't know how damaged the plaster. It's none of us do until we take that one. 484 00:33:50,020 --> 00:33:51,960 You mean like rebar and we come create? 485 00:33:52,220 --> 00:33:53,920 Okay, you say I'm going to be taking the hell down. 486 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,220 Yeah, you're going to have to, we'll have to totally remove the liner. 487 00:33:58,220 --> 00:34:06,880 and then see what it's underneath there, see underneath because none of us, you can feel it, but I don't know what it looks like now, and what damage has been done. 488 00:34:09,140 --> 00:34:15,760 But so you can go through this list, right? This gay park upgrade is a photo star because I think that's something that we could look at for track. 489 00:34:16,780 --> 00:34:21,860 Really identifying working with Andy and whatever gay park company would look like. 490 00:34:23,620 --> 00:34:28,540 There's vehicles like parts that's definitely in the need of some side-by-side educators or 491 00:34:28,540 --> 00:34:30,040 whatever you want to call them, I don't know. 492 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:37,520 But I mean that's over a million dollars already in capital projects that year, the following 493 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,820 year is over a million dollars the next year, so I'm $150,000. 494 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,800 And so but some of these projects obviously we won't have a million dollars. 495 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:52,180 So what, what can we move, what has to move, what falls in the budget, but I think this 496 00:34:52,180 --> 00:34:56,280 is a good direction for us, like I know we don't have a boiler on here, boiler should 497 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:56,760 be on here. 498 00:34:57,620 --> 00:34:59,120 When does that need to be replaced? 499 00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:06,060 There's some big things that are not on a schedule and never happen, unlike the chlorine 500 00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:06,480 exchange? 501 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:07,120 Yes. 502 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,260 Oh, it's the chlorine generator. 503 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:09,200 Is it okay? 504 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:09,540 Yes. 505 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:10,940 I just put an X. 506 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,520 I didn't put it in the mouth because Kevin were waiting for that estimate. 507 00:35:13,980 --> 00:35:15,720 I don't know what that was happening this year, no? 508 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:16,980 That was a McKinsey project. 509 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,220 Oh, so we're not doing it in the middle of this right now. 510 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,940 But there were things about McKinsey project we can individually do. 511 00:35:23,380 --> 00:35:27,280 Basically, we're taking a lot of McKinsey stuff and breaking it up. 512 00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:28,440 It's true of this air hammer. 513 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:28,740 Yeah. 514 00:35:28,740 --> 00:35:31,340 A lot of these controls were this part of the generator. 515 00:35:32,460 --> 00:35:37,480 But I kind of wanted you to get a feel of this is what we're up against. 516 00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:42,860 And I would guess of our air hammer and things like that. 517 00:35:42,860 --> 00:35:48,660 work without live their life expectancy, we're indefinite for our time on a lot of work but 518 00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:53,600 then unfortunately, right? Because nothing, it's the things that aren't sexy to get pushed down 519 00:35:53,600 --> 00:36:00,200 the road. For to quote them, they don't matter, right? And we need something sexy, the recreation boss. 520 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:07,320 But it's very true, no one wants to pay for an air hammer. Yeah, a half million dollar air 521 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:07,680 Yeah. 522 00:36:08,180 --> 00:36:09,660 They want to see you. 523 00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:11,680 Like, your own house, you don't want to pay for the... 524 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,780 You'd rather put something cool in it. 525 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:14,420 Right? 526 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:15,300 It's called a dulcene. 527 00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:15,700 Yeah. 528 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:16,860 It is a dulcene. 529 00:36:18,020 --> 00:36:18,900 And so... 530 00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:20,320 So, nothing new, nothing... 531 00:36:21,020 --> 00:36:21,200 Ooh. 532 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:22,960 Big, nothing flashy. 533 00:36:23,220 --> 00:36:24,160 It's just maintenance. 534 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,740 Kevin's working on getting me the ice stuff, because we don't have ice compressor information 535 00:36:28,740 --> 00:36:29,200 in this. 536 00:36:29,340 --> 00:36:29,500 Yeah. 537 00:36:29,860 --> 00:36:31,220 And in Oracle mechanical. 538 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:33,000 So... 539 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,300 There are things that need to be put into the schedule that we all kind of... 540 00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:43,400 follow or we know that it's coming out we know yeah and the only way to obviously make 541 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:49,540 a pattern is a bond but people like I really feel like you bond for shiny and new and 542 00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:57,100 you raise taxes for capital improvements and a little bit of the O&M things how you balance 543 00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:58,180 out with user fees. 544 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:08,120 Okay, so sorry, this is getting long, you know, really hot fees. So, where? 545 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:17,180 Audrey, what did we call fees? I can't remember what we called that. I was just thinking of the comparison. 546 00:37:17,180 --> 00:37:22,340 and the, we do that with it. 547 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:23,540 Please see if I stick that for a second. 548 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:24,340 Yeah. 549 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,640 Going back to the lake water, the utilities and everything. 550 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:27,960 Just in tune. 551 00:37:28,540 --> 00:37:32,240 That also includes why you saw that skyrocket a little bit 552 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:34,400 for grounds, because we also took over Butler Park 553 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,320 at that point in time. 554 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:36,900 Oh, that's right. 555 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,680 You guys gotta remember that when it was the 2020-2022 556 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,020 and then we got Butler Park, 557 00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:44,940 which increased that amount of water for our billing, 558 00:37:44,940 --> 00:37:51,260 which also hasn't been included for four passes or the grounds water does 559 00:37:51,260 --> 00:38:05,720 that include the city parks in that so that is strictly our park so when they say 560 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:11,700 oh a lot of those are city the city should pay for it no that's that's purely 561 00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:12,040 ours. 562 00:38:14,380 --> 00:38:18,780 Okay, so how can like some things that we've already addressed are looked at, 563 00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:25,480 um, and kind of challenge us to look at admission fees, to look at membership fees, 564 00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:30,680 and then we're in the process of doing program fees. Um, so all things you use are fees. 565 00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:36,060 That's how we get to that other 45-50 percent of how we're offsetting our property taxes. Yeah. 566 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:41,920 Um, and so this is a really big spreadsheet with a lot of numbers. But if you come down, 567 00:38:42,980 --> 00:38:52,900 these last four columns, that's the two of you, the lowest, below the sub three. 568 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,600 So these last four blue column numbers is what we're going to talk about. 569 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:10,220 So the 17,310, 40, and the 25,065. So the 17,000 is if we raised non-resident membership 570 00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:17,960 of these 10% and then next one is if we raise non-resident membership, these 15% that kind 571 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,000 of gives you an idea. 572 00:39:19,780 --> 00:39:21,040 So resident non-resident? 573 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,160 No, we're talking just non-resident-resident-resident-resident. 574 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:23,480 Non-resident. 575 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:24,140 Okay, full. 576 00:39:24,260 --> 00:39:26,340 10% 15%. 577 00:39:26,580 --> 00:39:26,840 Okay. 578 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,560 So entry fees are just, remember? 579 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:29,580 Memberships only. 580 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:30,820 Memberships only. 581 00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:37,660 Um, these two, these are residents and we went at 5% and 10%. 582 00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:48,680 So we raised memberships 5% on residents and 10% non-residents, 10% on residents, there's your numbers. 583 00:39:49,900 --> 00:40:01,120 We raised memberships these last year and I hesitate doing a huge residents increase if we're going to do a tax increase in the same group. 584 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,280 Yeah, I didn't think we should do a little bit because you need to continue to keep up 585 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:12,520 But I don't think it should be the same amount as a non-resident who's not getting back. I'm not paying the tax. Exactly 586 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:21,960 A 15% increase on non-residents is a lot. I don't know if we lose some in that jumping up that high 587 00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:28,880 How far are the programs? I mean, I think that's a good so programs are gonna be different than numbers. Okay 588 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:34,100 I'm sorry just and that's what we're doing right now. I'm so sorry. Well they can pull other facility numbers 589 00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:37,440 Yeah, our big X factor. We don't know as I can be right now, right? 590 00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:42,500 There's also open in January. I know we gain some people for sure. We hope that we keep 591 00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:46,820 Some of them. I know we won't keep all of them in reality 592 00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:51,700 But how do we find the balance of 593 00:40:52,180 --> 00:40:57,740 Non-resident keeping them versus losing them so we don't have a decrease in yes 594 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:09,760 So I don't know if non-residents, you know, you consider like a 10% this year and we're going to do residents on five and next year we do non-residents again and we don't do residents. 595 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,020 You know, I think there's some things we can go to kind of see with that. 596 00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:19,460 Yeah, that is. So we aren't, you know, calculating that. 597 00:41:19,460 --> 00:41:25,200 the other thing, we pull just people that pay an admission to the facility, like 598 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:33,640 pure admission, at 91,000 people paid in admission last year. So if we raise a 599 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:41,880 one dollar, put a mission, we would bring in 91,000 dollars in three. Yeah. So yeah, 600 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,840 so I think there's a, and we, I think we, we feel really strongly that we need to 601 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:53,700 raise adult youth and senior or daily admissions $1. 602 00:41:54,020 --> 00:41:54,480 That's it. 603 00:41:54,820 --> 00:41:57,220 $8 puts us in line with everybody else. 604 00:41:57,340 --> 00:41:57,480 Yeah. 605 00:41:57,660 --> 00:41:58,280 Same line. 606 00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:02,660 Youth is 14 and 14 to 17. 607 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,620 So those kids that can take classes, they can use the rate room. 608 00:42:07,020 --> 00:42:08,400 They can use all the amenities in the jolt. 609 00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:09,760 They should be this same as adults. 610 00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:11,140 So they'll be $1. 611 00:42:11,460 --> 00:42:11,900 Oh, adults. 612 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:12,840 And same with the senior. 613 00:42:13,780 --> 00:42:14,420 They'll be $1. 614 00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:23,060 I've never heard anybody complain about a daily entry fee here. 615 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:23,260 Yeah. 616 00:42:23,660 --> 00:42:24,740 And you know where you're getting. 617 00:42:24,860 --> 00:42:30,140 But that puts us pretty much right in line with Murray as an outlier, because they're 618 00:42:30,140 --> 00:42:31,000 kind of subsidized. 619 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:31,520 Subsidized. 620 00:42:31,780 --> 00:42:34,360 They're on an empty, exactly subsidized by the city. 621 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:40,860 It puts us in line with the county's old rate, makes us a dollar more than their youth rate 622 00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:46,780 but most areas are on the three paths anyway so I'm not too worried about that but it puts us 623 00:42:46,780 --> 00:42:54,800 with curves, this currently charging more or South Davis is charging more of Valley and it puts us 624 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,700 in line with the counties two or three income which is we have all the amenities that there are two 625 00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:09,100 or three reparations in our shops so so 91,000 there okay so I think there's a way to offset some of 626 00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:17,240 what the tax information is and then finally let me give you this. So this is our 627 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:21,860 average home price went up. Thank you. 628 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:33,620 And so 804, huh? Yeah, everyone up to 804. So the chart 629 00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:41,320 you're looking at, has, you can see the, whatever, six call them over the increase amount. 630 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:49,440 So if you increase taxes by $300,000, and it goes down from there, $450,000, $670,000, 631 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,420 and that's the percentage. 632 00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:52,340 And the percentage is at the far right. 633 00:43:52,980 --> 00:43:58,320 To a $750,000 tax increase is a 25% increase. 634 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,380 And I'll be very honest, you have to go through the process today. 635 00:44:04,380 --> 00:44:06,520 but when we get to setting the tax rate next year, 636 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:13,100 it will be less than that, because we don't collect anymore, 637 00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:15,500 but so we should probably calculate for that, 638 00:44:15,580 --> 00:44:17,780 because I mean, we can't, no, we have to go like that. 639 00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:19,320 No, just mental, yeah, mentally. 640 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,480 Probably two, wish, two, three, three, yeah. 641 00:44:22,980 --> 00:44:25,720 I mean, I see the stat at all, but we're at any one 642 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:26,600 of the three percent this year. 643 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:27,780 Yeah, it's usually about that. 644 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,720 Because our average home price, yeah, 645 00:44:29,980 --> 00:44:32,600 right before property taxes is $7.74. 646 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,620 So if we looked at, say, 27, I'm thinking it's 25, you know what I mean? 647 00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:37,600 Right. Yeah. 648 00:44:39,820 --> 00:44:46,940 So, yeah, 27% brings into additional 800,000 or for say, we're going to offset by the user fees at the 100,000. 649 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,180 Maybe 70's okay. 650 00:44:51,180 --> 00:44:56,240 Is there a typical amount that you try to raise each time you do this? 651 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:59,640 So I will tell you if you go up to 150,000. 652 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,300 That puts us at 57% on that chart, right? Am we aiming for 65%? That's national. I don't think we've ever tried being national. I think when we drop below 50, it's time to, I wouldn't go more than probably, I think we've been very conservative, we're probably seeing we're not going over 60-ish percent. Yeah. That's a difference of $71 per year. But you can see that inflation, 653 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,300 and capital is going to eat it up within a few years. 654 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:34,200 Yeah, easily. 655 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:34,700 Yeah. 656 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,720 Well, we have to be committed to saying like, 657 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,700 okay, if you did 750,000, 658 00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:40,860 we were only going to buy 659 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,580 550,000 or 600,000 to capital. 660 00:45:45,860 --> 00:45:47,480 We need to put a hundred or a hundred or a hundred. 661 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:48,180 Two or a day five. 662 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,280 Two or a day five, 663 00:45:49,420 --> 00:45:51,160 but we also have to account for salaries and wages. 664 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:51,740 Yeah. 665 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:53,300 And so, 666 00:45:54,580 --> 00:45:56,360 we just have to be diligent in saying, 667 00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,880 here's how we're breaking the heart 668 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:06,160 this pie, right? It's about, you know, we adjust the part 10k scale is 50,000. 669 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:10,240 Just me, just 670 00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:19,220 to make a thousand dollars. And so do you say, you know, we get 75550 is capital, 50 is salary, 671 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:26,680 adjustments, 50,000 is utility, 50,000 is savings. However, however the pie you want to break the pie, 672 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:33,800 But again, you guys are the ones that have to go through public hearing questions and questions 673 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,680 and where you feel comfortable. 674 00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:42,200 I will tell you, whatever amount you choose to proceed and do that, they go through 675 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:42,340 it. 676 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:43,920 They have to go through the public hearing, right? 677 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,460 And if you had so much pushback and whatever, and you wanted to change your mind, you can, 678 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,600 you can go less. 679 00:46:50,860 --> 00:46:54,760 You can't go more than what we've ever told you, what we've ever told you. 680 00:46:54,860 --> 00:46:55,800 You can always go less. 681 00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:01,660 Okay, I'll tell you that's a big headache to staff to have to adjust the budget pretty quick, but it can be done 682 00:47:01,660 --> 00:47:06,980 So you need to know we do have options in this process. Yeah, with all the work you've done 683 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,300 What is the staff's recommendation of what they would like to see? 684 00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:14,320 That's the one 685 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,860 That's 25% I'm just gonna put this in perspective 686 00:47:21,860 --> 00:47:24,260 from a three-person maintenance type of situation, right? 687 00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:24,560 Yeah. 688 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,320 It seemed like every time we get this, it was three, four, 689 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,360 four or five years, and we're going below that 45% mark. 690 00:47:32,380 --> 00:47:34,220 What's going to go out within the last five years? 691 00:47:35,420 --> 00:47:36,580 That's what you're really going to look at. 692 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,580 Because I don't think we're going to bring in anymore 693 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,780 in reality if our building starts deteriorating quickly, 694 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,240 and if we're not getting big bombs or we're not 695 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:48,840 getting our grants or anything like that, 696 00:47:49,420 --> 00:47:50,580 it's also something to look at. 697 00:47:50,580 --> 00:48:01,420 So I already know how this facility is. I mean, I was practically born in this facility. But at the same time, it's, I mean, parks are getting older, the building's getting older. 698 00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:11,700 We're struggling now to keep it up. So it's just something to look at. I'm not going to say about 100,000. So I'm not going to say any numbers, but I'm just going to put that. 699 00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:13,600 And it might make sense in two years to come back 700 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,160 and do it 250, right? 701 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:16,780 Like, yeah. 702 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:22,600 You can, you know, I think what we're trending to see 703 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,260 is not going in an election year. 704 00:48:24,860 --> 00:48:26,260 Then it doesn't hurt any of you. 705 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,260 You guys, we all live here. 706 00:48:28,820 --> 00:48:32,880 So I'm looking at third column from the right. 707 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:33,580 Yeah. 708 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,300 I'm looking at for a year. 709 00:48:35,580 --> 00:48:35,840 For a year. 710 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,080 Because that's what I would listen to. 711 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,420 What's my fee going to go up next year? 712 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,620 So if we went 25% to be $71. 713 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,260 So if we go to $27% you're $76. 714 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,580 And Jen can attest to this. 715 00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:56,600 How much does your real estate appreciate because of this? 716 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:57,460 A lot. 717 00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:58,100 Exactly. 718 00:48:59,980 --> 00:49:04,620 I mean, my gut says, and this is just my gut. 719 00:49:04,620 --> 00:49:06,940 No, that's the stuff, this is what I'm going to do. 720 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:16,180 Go for the 27, next year, it's going to be closer to 25. 721 00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:18,480 And I'll be shocked if it's not. 722 00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:19,960 Right, you'll probably be 24. 723 00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:21,540 Yeah, it'll be 24. 724 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,280 And you know, during COVID, it went up over 10%. 725 00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:30,420 And, you know, it was just ridiculous. 726 00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:32,460 I'm leaning that way. 727 00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:35,300 because I'm looking at basically $75. 728 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,420 Yeah, and then we get a lot of kickback 729 00:49:40,420 --> 00:49:43,860 then we can adjust it lower, but we can't go higher. 730 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,780 That's kind of, I agree with Jan, 731 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,280 it's kind of the way I'm great at start. 732 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,700 Nice, a couple points more, which is good. 733 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,540 And we'll see how much back we get. 734 00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:55,680 We all support that. 735 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,220 I don't think I ever could feel like no, no. 736 00:49:59,460 --> 00:50:01,880 But yeah, I mean, there's plenty of projects 737 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:08,560 on that list, you can see. But again, I think it's responsible as to decide the first couple 738 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:16,820 years, we're just, we're going to put 50 or 75,000 into that fund to start building that fund for 739 00:50:16,820 --> 00:50:23,200 that next reason. I mean, anyone here can tell you and Laura will tell you, I hate to take from that. 740 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,080 I mean, and when we're going through the budget process going, we're going to have to pull 200,000 741 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:29,640 from that, just make the budget. 742 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,200 And I will tell you that we used to not have that fund. 743 00:50:34,860 --> 00:50:40,300 We had, when I was doing that, we had $50,000 744 00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:42,300 to spend on capital, period. 745 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,860 Nothing in reserves, nothing. 746 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:50,140 So it's kudos to the staff for building it, 747 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,500 and that's why they want to keep it going. 748 00:50:53,180 --> 00:50:54,460 No, I think it's an assessment. 749 00:50:54,460 --> 00:50:56,160 I'm just really happy for that. 750 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:57,040 Yeah. 751 00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,860 Yeah, but that's just my I can't 752 00:50:58,860 --> 00:51:07,320 I'm looking at what it's gonna cost me. Yeah, 75 bucks. The city's tax is going to cost me a additional 207. Yeah, I 753 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:13,540 Just have a look at that and not I mean look. I've never looked at that until 754 00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:17,580 Now I'm 755 00:51:17,580 --> 00:51:19,440 And you know, I 756 00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:25,960 So personally, but I know I'm not everyone, right, you know 757 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,660 but I think we get a lot to that money. 758 00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:29,580 We do. 759 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,160 In the city also taxes my electric bill, my gas bill. 760 00:51:33,620 --> 00:51:34,440 And it will tax this. 761 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:36,740 So that's just hidden fees. 762 00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:37,560 We talk about it. 763 00:51:37,820 --> 00:51:38,840 We're hidden fees. 764 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,040 We don't even know where we're paying it. 765 00:51:40,420 --> 00:51:40,520 Right, 766 00:51:42,670 --> 00:51:42,870 right. 767 00:51:43,230 --> 00:51:47,270 And we don't have opportunities to use it without a point of time. 768 00:51:47,410 --> 00:51:48,030 It's new growth. 769 00:51:48,830 --> 00:51:51,330 So it starts as new growth, and then it will be incorporated 770 00:51:51,330 --> 00:51:53,090 in the following year, because those won't be 771 00:51:53,090 --> 00:51:53,930 done so much during. 772 00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:13,150 That's the one thing that Kant would heights is build out except for these little teeny pockets that will get increases, but that's the only opportunity we'll get with that increases. 773 00:52:13,830 --> 00:52:21,710 turns is 75% buildout so they've got another 25% that they will gain and we will 774 00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:22,330 This is not much. 775 00:52:25,250 --> 00:52:26,110 That's what they're identity. 776 00:52:26,410 --> 00:52:26,750 They're $80. 777 00:52:28,170 --> 00:52:29,690 Are you serious? 778 00:52:30,330 --> 00:52:31,590 Are you serious? 779 00:52:32,270 --> 00:52:32,590 Are you started? 780 00:52:33,290 --> 00:52:35,010 Does that's a thing we call them? 781 00:52:35,350 --> 00:52:36,290 Yeah, they're not. 782 00:52:36,430 --> 00:52:37,310 I don't think I've started them. 783 00:52:37,470 --> 00:52:38,290 They're not 10 billion. 784 00:52:38,290 --> 00:52:39,050 They're not 10 billion. 785 00:52:39,450 --> 00:52:39,530 They're not 10 billion. 786 00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:40,810 There's a big number. 787 00:52:46,650 --> 00:53:02,350 but that's good for us because the taxes are higher and the gravel pit so the 788 00:53:02,350 --> 00:53:09,270 north part is annexed in but that gravel pit is not so we probably need to 789 00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:16,350 to talk to the developer, that's figure out, trying to get that done before they start 790 00:53:16,350 --> 00:53:17,210 breaking ground. 791 00:53:17,410 --> 00:53:24,770 They were on the City Council agenda last week and they spoke, that was a company called 792 00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:25,190 Rockworth. 793 00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:32,490 And I don't know if they have, they have the North end, another North end, but I'd like to 794 00:53:32,490 --> 00:53:33,830 to find that out to you. 795 00:53:33,850 --> 00:53:35,450 Some things that I don't really care about. 796 00:53:35,450 --> 00:53:35,610 Yeah. 797 00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:40,050 That's just being, you know, it's interesting, because it's 798 00:53:40,050 --> 00:53:40,390 a citizen. 799 00:53:40,650 --> 00:53:40,870 Yes. 800 00:53:42,330 --> 00:53:44,490 We'll tell him if they join the service area. 801 00:53:44,910 --> 00:53:45,830 We'll be nice there, too. 802 00:53:45,930 --> 00:53:46,470 We gotta do that. 803 00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:51,270 And because otherwise, we have to get each individual 804 00:53:52,170 --> 00:53:53,970 resident and that, we don't want to do that. 805 00:53:54,030 --> 00:53:54,890 No, no, no. 806 00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:56,630 That would be... 807 00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:56,790 No. 808 00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:57,830 No. 809 00:53:58,670 --> 00:53:59,070 No. 810 00:53:59,990 --> 00:54:00,490 I'm good. 811 00:54:01,110 --> 00:54:01,430 Okay. 812 00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:12,290 So I don't know, I guess I'm leaving for direction because I probably screwed up, I don't 813 00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:17,550 know if we have to formally make that decision and would it have to be listed as an agenda 814 00:54:17,550 --> 00:54:23,510 item, or in order for us to make truth in taxation, it does have to be on our September agenda. 815 00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:25,790 that's listed all this for the next couple of months. 816 00:54:25,890 --> 00:54:28,710 And we'll contact the assessor to make sure we have 817 00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:30,250 have it all right. 818 00:54:32,330 --> 00:54:34,730 So I assume that would be the formal process. 819 00:54:35,650 --> 00:54:37,330 I just wanna make sure what I'm hearing is 820 00:54:37,330 --> 00:54:39,950 you're giving me direction to go 800,000 821 00:54:39,950 --> 00:54:42,570 and for a percentage, 27%? 822 00:54:42,750 --> 00:54:43,430 27%. 823 00:54:43,770 --> 00:54:45,390 Okay, there's 27%. 824 00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:48,810 So in our September meeting, 825 00:54:49,210 --> 00:54:51,550 we are moving to the 20 seconds of September. 826 00:54:53,530 --> 00:55:00,430 I'm so sorry, that's my fault, we will list, we have to list the details that we're 827 00:55:00,430 --> 00:55:05,910 intending to do truth and taxation, we have to list the amount, the percentage, all 828 00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:09,850 of the things that we have to do, so I just want everyone to be aware we'll be in a 829 00:55:09,850 --> 00:55:10,190 check-out. 830 00:55:10,330 --> 00:55:14,330 And like, December meeting will be when this public can come in. 831 00:55:14,450 --> 00:55:18,350 Correct, I mean the public, the public can come to any meeting, and they're, you know, they 832 00:55:32,770 --> 00:55:35,930 I think that's a good idea. 833 00:55:36,330 --> 00:55:37,650 And we can kind of ask questions. 834 00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:38,090 Yeah. 835 00:55:38,370 --> 00:55:40,530 We can totally set that up at that time. 836 00:55:40,910 --> 00:55:41,170 Okay. 837 00:55:41,830 --> 00:55:47,570 I mean, and then we can work on social posts and we'll get with our attorney and make sure 838 00:55:47,570 --> 00:55:52,410 that we will be processing our teasing by in our eyes so we don't be one of those entities 839 00:55:52,410 --> 00:55:57,030 that missed a step in that it doesn't happen even after we draw the crazy tip there. 840 00:55:59,030 --> 00:56:01,810 One thing is you're going into budget season. 841 00:56:02,830 --> 00:56:10,210 Please be conservative when you go into budget season that we don't blow this money that we 842 00:56:10,910 --> 00:56:13,310 try and figure out how to use it wisely. 843 00:56:13,310 --> 00:56:21,890 So, 1,000% and we, like I said, they've already asked our programs and lessons, we'll look 844 00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:28,450 at those, and we will make adjustments in user fees, memberships, so I was telling them 845 00:56:28,450 --> 00:56:33,470 that the programs that are filled, that are overflowing, that's that when you look at it. 846 00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:34,290 Oh, 100%. 847 00:56:34,290 --> 00:56:34,970 Yeah. 848 00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:35,330 Yeah. 849 00:56:36,070 --> 00:56:37,770 So, thank you. 850 00:56:38,350 --> 00:56:38,830 I'm Mark. 851 00:56:39,310 --> 00:56:39,670 Hi Mark. 852 00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:40,030 Hi Mark. 853 00:56:40,510 --> 00:56:40,830 Hi Mark. 854 00:56:41,390 --> 00:56:45,050 Okay, with that we'll close at 4 o'clock.