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>> All right, let's call this meeting to

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order. Uh, please stand for the pledge

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of allegiance.

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>> pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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>> All righty.

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Roll call. Tom Schwehoffer

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>> James Arlo

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>> Carol Pushard

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>> Ellen Jones

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>> Greg Bozelle

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>> Roger Beac is absent, excused. And Lance

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Certigon here.

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All right. Uh public hearing

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for the proposed ordinance amendment to

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132.14.3

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accessory building ordinance building

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size.

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Uh this is the stuff I believe that uh

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we've been going through

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for this is for square footage. Correct

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>> That's correct.

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Okay, let's open the public hearing at

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Is there anybody in the audience that

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would like to speak to this ordinance?

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I will make a motion that we will close

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the public hearing at 6:34.

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>> I'll second it.

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>> All in favor signify by saying I.

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>> I.

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>> Opposed. Okay. Motion carries.

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All right. Uh, agenda approval.

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Any additions or deletions at this

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I will entertain a motion.

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>> I'll make a motion that we accept the

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agenda as written.

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>> I'll second it.

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» Okay. All in fig all in favor signify by

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saying I.

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All righty. Approval of the minutes from

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August 19th, 2026.

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Any additions or deletions?

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» All right. I will entertain a motion.

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I'll make the motion that the

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minutes are approved. Is written.

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>> I'll second.

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» Okay. Uh, all in favor signify by saying

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>> Opposed. Okay. Motion carries.

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Communications. We have none.

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Public comments on agenda items only.

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All right. Unfinished business.

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Um the site plan review for Cortis

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Brothers. We're still waiting to see if

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that I believe it went to planning up at

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the county, but we haven't heard

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anything back and Greg and Angela

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checked on it and we haven't heard

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anything at all. Supposedly, it was

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already approved up there, but we have

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nothing signed back from them. So, what

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we're looking to do at this point in

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time, um, I would entertain a motion for

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us to table this

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till hopefully next meeting and

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hopefully we can get it approved at that

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point in time. But that's where it

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stands with uh, Metro Planning at this

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I'll make a motion then it gets table

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next meeting.

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>> I'll sign.

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>> All right. All in favor signify by

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saying I.

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All right. Uh,

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accessory building

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ordinance,

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building size.

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Uh, Ashley is obviously going to say

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something here.

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>> I'm happy to just introduce us,

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especially as we have um a new trustee

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here, just to make sure everyone's on

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the the same page as to what we're what

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we're talking about. So, um, we just

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held a public hearing for an amendment

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to section 132 uh.1404,

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our accessory building ordinance. Um,

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the planning commission has been having

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some challenges um with the maximum size

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of accessory buildings. As it stands,

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that is um a a universal standard no

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matter the district, no matter the lot

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size. All accessory buildings are capped

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at 2600 square ft. And so this ended up

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uh leading to some cases where there

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were really large often industrial lots

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who felt um that that standard um didn't

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allow them to do business they as they

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would like. Um and in other cases on

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really small lots you would have you

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know oversized accessory buildings. And

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so um over the past few months we've

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been working um together to craft some

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regulations that are based on lot size.

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So, as the lot size increases, the

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allowable size of your accessory

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building also increases to be a bit more

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fair and just to um offer some visual

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cohesion across the the township. So, um

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if uh in your packets, you should see um

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a table on on

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I don't know what number it is in your

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packet, but page three um for that that

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memo. It'll be table 132.14.9.A.

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a accessory building ground floor area.

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So that's what's proposed. Um we've

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talked about it the last couple of

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meetings and um it seemed like we had a

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consensus here. We haven't heard uh any public comment in opposition of

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that. Um and so if um if there if we

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would want to if we want to discuss it

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more, I'm happy to to do so. Um but

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pending any other feedback, our

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recommendation is that um the planning

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commission go ahead to recommend this up

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to the St. Clair County Metrop

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Metropolitan Planning Commission uh to

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adopt this this update. Um so happy to talk through it more as as

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>> Okay, that's it.

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132.1404.9,

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>> It should be all in.

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>> Yeah, it should be all in red.

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>> Yep. Anything new is in is in red. Um,

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we're also proposing some language in

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there that just um

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uh clarifies that accessory buildings

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may not exceed the lot coverage maximum of the district. That was always

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the case. We're just adding language in

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there to make sure that it's very very

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clear.

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come and meet all setbacks and

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everything else when it is put up.

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>> Exactly. So this maximum size permitted

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um will still be required to meet

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setbacks, lot coverage percentages, um

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any other um uh dimensional regulations

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on that lot. So um even those those

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square footages that you see in that

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table, it's unlikely that any of those

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accessory buildings would actually be

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built up to that size. This is just, you

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know, before taking into consideration

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those those other um regulations.

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area and stuff like that with the 2600

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square foot buildings.

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>> I mean, there's been it it could be

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built, but the 2600 square foot, it's

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long and slender and it's like a wall up

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there and a lot of people don't on the

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riverfront or they don't like it because

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it's so huge and everything else.

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is the front yard and which is the rear

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yard on the riverfront.

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>> I mean, some people say that they don't

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have a rear yard. They have two front

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yards, but that's not true.

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>> It doesn't work that way.

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>> We can't get it straight in our own

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household. So, I don't expect

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>> with and with you living there, you know

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it firsthand at this point.

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>> And that's the reason why we went from

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the 2600 square foot to if it's less

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than one acre, it's 900 square foot.

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We kind of trimmed that back because the

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2600 foot buildings are just they were

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out of control.

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>> Can you can can you they go in front of

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the planning commission and try to get a

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variance?

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>> You go before ZBA in order to get a

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variance. But

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>> at this point in time, the big thing is

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was meeting setbacks with a big

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you got a 70 foot lot, which I think a

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lot of those are

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left and the setback,

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>> your driveway is damn near over on your

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neighbor's property,

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>> To actually be around it. So that's the

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reason why we kind of went back and and

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we thought was fair.

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and would work for all districts at this

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point. And the big thing is you still

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have to meet setbacks. So, it still has

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to to do everything it's supposed to and

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then some.

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>> The ones that are on the river or the

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big the big how long have they been

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there? Is it been I mean, they're

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obviously grandfathered in, but is it

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two, three years or

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>> No, there's some that's only been there

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two, three years. Someone fairly new.

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>> That's what I thought. So, this is just

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we we never fought it before. We just

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never really had any guidelines or

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>> Well, the way this first come about, we

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were addressing

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pieces of property out here,

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>> right? And we never actually thought

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>> the river riverfront district until I

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think it was Steve Tusenowski was one

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that come in and there was a couple

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other people from the riverfront that

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come in and were questioning

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about the square footage and everything

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else and why are they so big and they

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exceed the some of them exceed the the

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size of the original the dwelling.

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>> Yeah. The house. Yeah. So, and that's

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the reason why we brought this all back.

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Kind of went through all the surrounding

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communities with East China, China, Ira

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Township, and everything else to try to

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make things comparable to a point where

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>> you know, be fair but still be

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>> So,

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>> yeah. Yeah, we looked at um the to to

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Lance's point um the accessory building

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ordinances of the townships surrounding

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Kotchville and almost every single one

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uses a similar structure.

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>> I looked Yeah, I think

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>> right. So,

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>> in fact, if you look when you get above

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I believe it's the 10 acre parcel, a lot

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of them cut it off at 3600 square ft. M

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>> we figure as long as you're able to meet

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setbacks and everything else, that's why

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we broke it up between 10 and 15 and

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then 15 acres or more,

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>> right?

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>> So

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>> yeah, if you've got 10 acres, a 6,000

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foot pole barn is not

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>> crazy.

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>> No. And as long as you're meeting

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setbacks.

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>> Yeah,

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>> there should be no issues with it.

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So, if we're happy with with where this

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at this time, as I said, our

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recommendation is that um the um

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commission makes a motion to recommend

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this uh amendment to the St. Clair

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County Metro Planning Commission and the

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Township Board um for approval.

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>> Does

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at 25% now, does that come into play on

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this particular thing, too?

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>> Um it does. Totally. So, for some for

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some context, um we've been kind of

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doing a deep dive on our accessory

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building ordinance and just

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understanding how accessory buildings

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come up in different districts. Um and a

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couple cases have come before us uh in

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the industrial district. Um and we

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realized that the industrial district

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didn't have any lot coverage maximum.

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And so if you're trying to um regulate

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the sizes of accessory buildings, you

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need a lot coverage maximum to say,

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"Hey, here's where things get cut off."

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Um and so prior to doing this ordinance

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amendment, we uh sent to the St. Clair

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County uh planning commission um an

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amendment to establish a 25% lot

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coverage in the industrial district. And

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that's just your principal buildings and

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your accessory buildings. So you can

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imagine on, you know, a 20 acre

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property, you still have a ton of square

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footage to work with for um both your

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principal buildings and your accessory

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buildings, but making sure that there

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was lot coverage helps this ordinance

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around make sense. Um and so it it will

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come into play when we have um

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applicants come in in the industrial

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district,

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>> right? That that hasn't been approved

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yet, though. We're still waiting to hear

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that.

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>> That's the one we're waiting for.

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Yeah. So, it's on its way, but the

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sequence that we did it was was um I

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think wise in making sure we had those

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other regulations in place and then the

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accessory building uh ordinances can can

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be reflective of that.

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>> Okay.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Thank you.

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>> All right. Anything else for Ashley? Any

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other questions?

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All right. Um I will make a motion that

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we take

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uh the accessory building size section

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1321404.3

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and submit this to metro planning for

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approval up at the county level.

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>> I'll second.

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» All right. All in favor signify by

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saying I. I

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>> opposed. Okay. Motion carries.

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All right. Draft master plan review.

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» Okay. Um, so our draft master plan is

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nearing final adoption stages. Uh for

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context for folks who are new in the

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room since June 2025 um the township has

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been working with our team at McKenna to

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update the community's master plan which

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uh just sets the next 10 to 20 year

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strategy for land use, infrastructure,

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housing, transportation, um economic

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development. Um and we uh this master

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plan was informed by both quantitative

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and qualitative data. We had a community

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survey. We had a popup event at last

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year's hood hoods [cough] tunes and

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[clears throat] bruise. Um, we've

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discussed the master plan at eight at

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least eight public meetings. Um, and we

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had a 63-day public comment period where

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the master plan was available here at

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Township Hall and also available

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publicly um where folks could read the

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draft and offer some comments. Um, so

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during that 63-day comment period, um,

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in addition to receiving comments from

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staff and from the planning commission,

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uh, a total of five comments were

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received through the public comment

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portal. Um, and so, uh, myself and, uh,

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the township supervisor and your chair,

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we sat down to review all of the

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comments, um, and to make decisions on

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how to best incorporate those comments

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into the draft. Um, in your packet,

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you'll have what kind of looks like a

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table, and that lists out every single

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comment that we received, whether it

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came from planning commissioners or from

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community members, and how that comment

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was addressed in the final plan with

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page numbers if uh if necessary. Um,

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so we feel as though with these edits,

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the master plan is in a really good

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place. We find it to be reflective of

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everything that we've heard from the

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community, you know, championing

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uh rural character, uh thinking wisely

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about our land use and uh trying to uh

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continue to make Kraville a great place

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to to raise a family and to uh grow old.

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And so um we're happy with where it's

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at, but would love to hear um any

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feedback from you all. The next step

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would be to set a public hearing on the

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draft master plan um which we hope will

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be at the next uh planning commission

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meeting.

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I did call Ashley today and ask about

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uh data centers

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because there was a

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meeting at the county level yesterday

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that they are starting to review

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about data centers and everything else

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and how we are going to in turn

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how do I want to say guide those along I

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guess is the way to put it

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>> because there's something that Ashley's

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going to probably start working on a

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ordinance with Greg on the data centers

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and stuff like that. I believe he had

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started something and we're going to

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probably critique that a little bit and

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see what we're going to do. Um, the big

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thing they're worried about is noise,

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light, the amount of energy that they

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actually do use,

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and water.

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>> Water normally is recycled unless they

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have open outside cooling. If they have

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open outside cooling, a lot of it

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evaporates.

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Um, unless like where they're talking on

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putting one possibly is at the old DTE

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plant up in uh Mary'sville.

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>> Yeah.

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>> And that at that point in time they

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could probably do the same thing that

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DTE did for ever with cooling

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properties. They would take river water

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in and then they would cool everything

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and they would in turn release the

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warmer water back to the river. Well,

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supposedly there were some questions

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raised last night at the meeting that

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there's problems with the ecosystem and

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everything else. That plant's been there

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for how many years?

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>> Yeah,

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>> I don't think there's been any issues

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downstream that I know of. Um I I do

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agree that they do warm the water up,

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but I mean the water mixes. There seems

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to be no issue that way. Mhm.

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>> It's not polluted in any way. It's just

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a temperature change.

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>> The only other way they could do it is

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be a closed loop

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>> and either bury a closed loop

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underground and use that for cooling

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that way.

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>> But here again, we have nothing right

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now on the books, especially with us at

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this point. and they're still going to

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have to make and meet all of our

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setbacks and our ordinances and

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everything else at that point in time

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for right

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>> if they you know if there's a parcel big

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enough but for the size of parcel they

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would need you're talking probably

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120 acres maybe more for uh a so many

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gigawatt style uh data center at that

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point

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>> how big is the physical building I

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thought it is only like 40,000 square

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ft.

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>> Well, it all matters how how many

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gigawatt the the data center is.

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>> Then you have to look into um

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uh auxiliary power is the other thing,

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>> right?

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>> And

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it's just

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>> cooling all that, you know, that's

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>> all that all that building. There

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there's a lot to it actually.

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>> See, there's such a high demand for

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these data centers that people are going

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to get creative. I thought why not put

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the whole thing underground.

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>> It keeps with the noise. I mean, if

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there if they're that much in demand,

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>> but they're really not. It's being it's

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if it's the whole thing is being

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inflated.

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>> Well, the big

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>> because

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>> the big thing is

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>> people there isn't a demand for it.

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>> And that's the problem. I mean, there is

520
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to a point, but it's not like I guess

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>> you and I ain't going to use it to go

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Christmas shopping like they thought

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everybody was going to.

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>> Well, there is a demand for it, but the

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big thing is do here again

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>> and then I don't want to get into the

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political part of this but the issue is

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>> do you want the United States to lead or

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do you want China to lead? Do you want

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this country to lead?

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>> That's that's where I'm at. And

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>> guys, I use AI all day every day.

533
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>> And as of right now,

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>> I'm 64 years old. It's not that hard to

535
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use. You know, if you can talk, you can

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use it.

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>> Yeah. But the the United States is right

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now leading in the data centers. We have

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over 5,400

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some odd data centers as compared to I

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believe the highest other one is China

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with about 440 of them.

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>> Okay.

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>> So the US is still leading but it this

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is something that's going to be up and

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coming and that's the only reason why

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and if we don't have it in the master

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plan correctly and everything else it

549
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can come back to bite us at that point.

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I thought when I talked to Greg about,

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you know, the area that people were

552
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looking at, I thought he had them pretty

553
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well boxed out by all of the different

554
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,799
parameters that he had set for.

555
00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:00,720
>> The biggest thing is with data centers

556
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,520
here in our township, it has to be on

557
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,760
industrial property,

558
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,159
>> right? And in in your master plan, we

559
00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:11,360
have language that um again, you can't

560
00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:15,039
ban any use outright. Um but we have

561
00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:17,200
language that establishes your land use

562
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,919
priorities. um establishes that you know

563
00:23:19,919 --> 00:23:23,280
you're seeking out light industrial uses

564
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,960
um that you're trying to maintain the

565
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,120
rural character here. So as much as

566
00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:28,559
possible and and and we also have

567
00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:30,720
language around you know solar and wind

568
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,760
energy and and battery storage uh and

569
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,320
cell towers as well. So as much as we

570
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,640
can align uh the community's intentions

571
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,240
with the language in here, we we've done

572
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,080
that. Um, and then the next step would

573
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,600
be making sure that your zoning

574
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,360
ordinance had uh policies to um back

575
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:50,799
that up. Um, and so typically how it

576
00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:52,799
works is that, you know, you you um

577
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:54,400
adopt a master plan and then you take a

578
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,679
look at your zoning ordinance and make

579
00:23:55,679 --> 00:23:57,520
sure that your regulations match the

580
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,159
plan. Um, and so we're doing step one

581
00:24:00,159 --> 00:24:02,320
here with uh making sure the language is

582
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,000
in place and then next step would be

583
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,919
your zoning ordinance.

584
00:24:05,919 --> 00:24:08,720
So did we was there more language added

585
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,559
to the sheet with you know that we were

586
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:12,000
talking about last month you know for

587
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,240
the data it was kind of vague I thought

588
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,919
>> but did you update this what we had

589
00:24:15,919 --> 00:24:19,039
here? So, we've added language uh it's

590
00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:22,000
to page 122

591
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,559
um in your master plan. Uh we've added a

592
00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:26,559
section around battery battery energy

593
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:30,799
storage systems um and uh refine the

594
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:33,440
language around data centers as well.

595
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,159
Um,

596
00:24:36,159 --> 00:24:39,760
again, you can't you can't outright,

597
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,360
you know, ban a use. As much as we can

598
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:46,559
communicate your priorities here, we've done that.

599
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:48,480
>> So, that's what I I guess my question

600
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,679
just from this original draft, it's been

601
00:24:51,679 --> 00:24:52,720
>> kind of tweaked some.

602
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,200
>> It's been critiqued. The big thing I was

603
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,520
when I was I talked to Ashley today,

604
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,000
>> the next thing we have to do now is we

605
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,919
have to work on the ordinance aspect of

606
00:25:01,919 --> 00:25:02,320
this.

607
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,360
>> Okay.

608
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,360
I mean, we're we're covered with our

609
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:07,120
master plan at this point in time, which

610
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,120
of course the master plan is what a

611
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:10,640
guide. Yep.

612
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,039
>> So, at that point in time, once we get

613
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:15,919
to the point where we get the master

614
00:25:15,919 --> 00:25:17,679
plans done and everything else, we can

615
00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:19,440
go from there and then we need to work

616
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:25,029
on our ordinance for that aspect.

617
00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:26,320
» All right.

618
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:27,840
Any other questions or

619
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,029
concerns?

620
00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:34,159
Uh I know last month there was we had

621
00:25:34,159 --> 00:25:36,240
quite a bit of discussion about this new

622
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,440
map they had here.

623
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,880
>> The future land use map.

624
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:39,600
>> Yeah.

625
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,000
That a future land use compared to

626
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,520
what the old one was.

627
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,240
>> Yep. So that is um

628
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,919
>> I think that was page

629
00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:49,360
>> 106

630
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,679
>> 107 the one I got here. If I'm on the

631
00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:52,080
right one.

632
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,120
>> Yeah, you're right. You're right.

633
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:53,600
>> Yeah.

634
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,039
>> Um and so we have made some edits to

635
00:25:57,039 --> 00:25:59,200
that chapter. The first is just to add

636
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,039
some more educational information around

637
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:03,360
what a future land use map is and the

638
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,120
difference between a zoning map and a

639
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:07,120
future land use map. Again, you know, a

640
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:09,120
future land use map guides future

641
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:10,640
development, but your zoning ordinance

642
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,480
or the regulations and the districts of

643
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,960
today. Um we have added a table that

644
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,679
compares uh you know master plans and

645
00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:20,960
future land use plans and zoning

646
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,799
ordinances and zoning maps. Um we have

647
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:29,679
uh amended the future land use map. Um

648
00:26:29,679 --> 00:26:32,720
a new map is on page 107. Uh there were

649
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,279
some areas where medium density

650
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,120
residential was proposed and I believe

651
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:39,039
we've brought that back down to low

652
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:42,960
density residential. Um,

653
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,480
and I believe there were a couple other

654
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,880
like parcel level changes down uh near

655
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,159
uh

656
00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:51,440
>> Well, that's what we wonder about along

657
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,200
that drudge cut there, but I don't know

658
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,960
if there's any flood planes involved. I

659
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,400
mean, on this map, it doesn't show any

660
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,600
of that here, but

661
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,880
>> yeah, we have a flood plane map in the master plan. Um,

662
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,159
that of course would have to be

663
00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:07,120
consulted with any new development.

664
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:08,640
Okay,

665
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:14,149
we do it again. [laughter]

666
00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:20,630
All right, any other questions?

667
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,880
All right. I will make a motion to

668
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,480
direct the planner to work with the Clay

669
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,720
Township Clerk or the Carterville

670
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,440
Township Clerk and set a public hearing

671
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,600
on the draft master plan for adoption to

672
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,360
be held at the next meeting uh regularly

673
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:36,480
scheduled meeting of the planning

674
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,320
commission.

675
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,720
>> I'll support it.

676
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,000
>> Okay. With motion and support.

677
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,240
Uh all in favor signify by saying I. I

678
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,200
>> I

679
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,039
>> opposed.

680
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:53,440
>> Okay, motion carries.

681
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,600
>> Great. And just so um we're all on the

682
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,880
same page. So, we'll host a public

683
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,880
hearing um at our next meeting on the

684
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,559
draft master plan. We'll take, you know,

685
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:02,960
additional public comments. Um and then

686
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,640
at that point, we can discuss if we're

687
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,720
ready to recommend the master plan on to

688
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,480
the township board for adoption.

689
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,320
Correct. Um after the public hearing, we

690
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,320
can still make some additional changes.

691
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,840
So, you know, if you even spend some

692
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,200
more time with it or we hear some

693
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,000
comments from the public, um, even we

694
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,600
can recommend to the township board on

695
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,600
the condition of some changes, too. So,

696
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,640
there's still time to make some

697
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,080
amendments if you see them.

698
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,440
>> Okay. Thank you.

699
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:32,230
>> Y,

700
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,200
next item on the agenda

701
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:40,080
is a slight plan review for 7347 Marine

702
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,000
City Highway.

703
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:48,950
Um,

704
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,880
Mr. Elmosaw is here uh in regards to the

705
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,520
parcel and what he's looking to do. He

706
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,600
actually has a piece of property that

707
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,200
they are working on down river from us

708
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,559
and he's looking for just what a couple

709
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:08,320
months you were saying about six months.

710
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,320
>> I said month and worst case you know six

711
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,440
months I hope

712
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:14,000
>> okay

713
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,760
>> it shouldn't take that long but just in

714
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,320
case if we run into some obstacles

715
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,799
>> no I totally understand

716
00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:25,679
um I did go walk the parcel today and uh

717
00:29:25,679 --> 00:29:27,679
there is no issues that I can see over

718
00:29:27,679 --> 00:29:31,840
there it is a heavily treated area

719
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,000
around the parcel

720
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,640
you can barely see what's back there I

721
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,840
mean it's all fully

722
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,760
>> you know there is really no issues

723
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:47,760
there. Uh the only issue I could see is

724
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,880
um if there was a fire back there, it'd

725
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,720
be the only issue being the gate is

726
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,240
locked. I was just kind of wondering and

727
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,720
if it's only for six months, I guess we

728
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,880
probably should be fine. I was just

729
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,399
wondering if a key could be given to the

730
00:30:02,399 --> 00:30:04,000
fire department if it's longer than six

731
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:04,399
months.

732
00:30:04,399 --> 00:30:06,480
>> No problem. We always left that gate

733
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,880
open till we find out someone come d

734
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,360
Yeah, I did see the pile of shingles

735
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:19,269
that was back there, too. Yes.

736
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:20,720
» Never fails.

737
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,789
>> It just never fails.

738
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:27,679
» Um, do you guys have any questions for

739
00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:29,200
the gentlemen?

740
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,679
I just see a clerical error on the

741
00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:36,000
property information. It's addressed as

742
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,840
Marine 7347 Marine City Highway, East

743
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,640
China.

744
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,120
>> Oh, yeah.

745
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,600
>> Um,

746
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,480
other than that, if there's

747
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,320
you're not storing anything in the

748
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,200
trailers?

749
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,279
>> No, they're empty.

750
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:58,480
>> Some of them got some old used

751
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,799
and pallets and shel and stuff. But now

752
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:06,480
with this, I informed the gentleman

753
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,120
and explain to him, gave me a copy of

754
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,799
our new building.

755
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:12,799
>> He did give us a copy of the new lease

756
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:14,480
for his new property.

757
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:14,960
>> Okay.

758
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,440
>> So, all the stuff that's being stored

759
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,559
there will be moved when he's ready for

760
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:21,679
it down

761
00:31:21,679 --> 00:31:24,640
>> to his place.

762
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,679
sitting there money on the ground

763
00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:29,360
>> and we need these traders so we can

764
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,000
empty them, go through them, take what

765
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,840
we need to order to new place. We got

766
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,360
42,000 square ft and there's some rules

767
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,840
and things

768
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,559
put it back on the road. Some of them

769
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:43,600
worthy

770
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,760
>> and anything we don't need, we're going

771
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,720
to sell it. Anything old or cannot be

772
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,320
sold, go to the scrubard and buy will be

773
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,600
empty because we move it to Southfield.

774
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,360
We are way out of the way. That's about

775
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,640
90 minutes away and we have no business

776
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,440
here. We don't conduct any business in

777
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,320
this city. All our business down south.

778
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,760
>> Okay.

779
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,159
>> He was originally he was originally from

780
00:32:12,159 --> 00:32:14,559
Warren and they're moving down river a

781
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:16,480
little bit further. How did you end up

782
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,080
here?

783
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,159
>> How did you end up in Katraville?

784
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:24,399
>> Oh, that's Mr. Co. [laughter]

785
00:32:24,399 --> 00:32:25,039
>> Okay,

786
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,360
>> so mess me up.

787
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,519
>> Change all the plan. Everything I had

788
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:33,360
planned for has collapsed. So, it's been

789
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,159
very very rough three years, last three

790
00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:37,600
years.

791
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,519
>> But, uh, we'll we'll fight back and uh,

792
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:43,519
finally, I see the light at the end of

793
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:45,279
the tunnel.

794
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:48,000
We're going moving back and we own

795
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,279
property down by the airport

796
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:56,000
43 acres and if it's co did not hit we

797
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,519
won't be sitting here talking about

798
00:32:57,519 --> 00:32:59,519
today

799
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:01,840
>> but I'll get it going again.

800
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,760
>> Well, I hope your luck changes.

801
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,760
>> Thank you so much.

802
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,320
So at the end of let's say whatever time

803
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,159
period it is six months or something and

804
00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:11,519
then

805
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:13,919
>> everything that's will be removed from

806
00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:16,000
the property then just basically vacant

807
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:16,799
land again.

808
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:18,799
>> The grass can eat it alive. Okay.

809
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:19,440
>> Yeah.

810
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,399
>> And it's useless either if I leave it

811
00:33:22,399 --> 00:33:24,880
here I don't need it. If I don't need it

812
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,840
why sitting here just

813
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,679
>> No, I I understand. I agree with you.

814
00:33:31,679 --> 00:33:33,039
don't have any motivation to leave

815
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,600
it here, but after 6 months, do we have

816
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,240
any recourse if we if he doesn't move it

817
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,760
or do we even care

818
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,159
>> if they're not toxic storage? I don't

819
00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:42,559
know.

820
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:46,799
>> The big thing is here is we are if we

821
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:49,279
grant the land use application,

822
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:50,320
>> right?

823
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,480
>> The land use application doesn't run

824
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,360
out. He's just saying that it'll he'll

825
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,679
probably use

826
00:33:57,679 --> 00:33:59,840
it up to six months is what he's saying.

827
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,600
>> Yep. And then when he leaves the

828
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:02,960
property, you are going to clean the

829
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,080
property up. Correct.

830
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,159
>> If we if we don't have that meeting

831
00:34:06,159 --> 00:34:08,720
today, regardless,

832
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:11,440
I'm moving these triggers any because

833
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,040
it's not doing me any good. We are

834
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,879
moving down that.

835
00:34:14,879 --> 00:34:16,399
>> Right. But all we're doing at this point

836
00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:18,480
in time is bringing you into compliance

837
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,159
with the way it is right now.

838
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:21,839
>> Yeah. We're focused on the use, not the

839
00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:22,879
timing of the use.

840
00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:23,599
>> Correct. Right.

841
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:24,159
>> Correct.

842
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:27,040
>> All right. Again,

843
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,639
I'm brand new, so I'm asking a lot of

844
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,320
questions that maybe I shouldn't be, but

845
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,000
>> No, that's that's No, that's that's a

846
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,599
fair question. If we were treating it as

847
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:34,480
>> That's what it's about.

848
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:34,879
>> Yeah.

849
00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:36,480
No, that's that's fair. If

850
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,159
>> like I say, when I when I went out and

851
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,480
walked the property, there's a couple

852
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,480
there's a tractor, there's a dozer,

853
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,159
there's a boat, there's a truck, there's

854
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,800
a fuel tank, which is a doublewalled

855
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,639
fuel tank. I did look at that. Um, and

856
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,879
>> someone pick up a truck. We use it in

857
00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:55,839
the yard to fill up the

858
00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:56,320
>> Mhm.

859
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,720
>> And it's old. We don't need it anymore,

860
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:00,800
but we got to move it out of there. Then

861
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,520
the dozer, we left it there because the

862
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,040
winter needed to clear

863
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,160
>> clear the snow.

864
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,280
>> Yeah.

865
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,960
>> And then, like I said, then they've got

866
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,200
there's probably

867
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,440
10 to 15 tractors for semi-tractors that

868
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,480
are there that are in some are in

869
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,480
disarray, some are complete. Um, and

870
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,960
then there's just trailers pretty much

871
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:27,839
>> that are there now.

872
00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:28,560
>> That are there.

873
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:29,359
>> Yeah, correct.

874
00:35:29,359 --> 00:35:30,560
>> I think I know exactly what you're

875
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:31,040
talking about.

876
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,359
>> I mean, there's every bit of

877
00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:35,040
>> Well, if there ain't 100 trailers there,

878
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:35,920
I don't know if there's

879
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:36,800
>> Oh, really?

880
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,000
>> Uh, yeah, maybe the amount increased

881
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,119
lately because our base is expired.

882
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:44,720
>> Yeah,

883
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:46,400
>> there's there's a lot of them there. I

884
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,160
will say that.

885
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,079
>> So, we have to like I said, Right.

886
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:53,920
>> So, finally I signed the new lease for

887
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,920
the new building.

888
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,040
>> Mhm. Okay.

889
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,520
>> All right. Uh

890
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,800
>> there is um like no bond that's posted

891
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,040
for anything like that. The reason I'm

892
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,359
asking is many years ago I know somebody

893
00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:11,040
they had 40 acres. There was an old

894
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,800
house. They wanted to build the new

895
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,200
house. They had a post a bond that they

896
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,800
didn't get that money back until they

897
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,200
tore the first old house down when the

898
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,880
new one was completed

899
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,880
>> because there's no development

900
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,880
happening. I don't think you can require

901
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:25,920
anything like that.

902
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:26,560
>> Yeah.

903
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,520
>> Um but it's it's it's a fair point

904
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,920
>> and really a bond on our aspect wouldn't

905
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,800
be wouldn't be us anyway. That would

906
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,480
come out of I believe building and

907
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,440
zoning.

908
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,240
>> Correct.

909
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:39,680
>> Right. That would happen at the building

910
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,280
department. [music] Um,

911
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,400
>> but yeah, for for us, you know, the

912
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,240
site's largely in compliance with the

913
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,160
industrial district standards. That

914
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,000
screening piece was the only outstanding

915
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,200
piece that the planning commission needs

916
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,359
to decide. And um, Lance has stated that

917
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:55,200
there's plenty of tree coverage. We're

918
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,280
not abuing any residential properties.

919
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:57,760
So,

920
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,200
>> I mean, I think what we we show as being

921
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,200
compliant was an 8 foot fence, I do

922
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,480
believe. Correct.

923
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,160
>> Um, right. And at this the trees are

924
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,560
>> the tree line is probably

925
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,480
>> 30 40 feet all the way around the

926
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,920
parcel.

927
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:14,560
>> You know there's

928
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,119
>> the driveway alone it's like you cannot

929
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:17,920
even see it.

930
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,160
>> No the driveway the driveway to the

931
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,359
gates got to be probably 250 300 feet

932
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:24,960
off the road. So

933
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,200
>> like I say and if unless you're looking

934
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,359
directly down the driveway

935
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:30,720
>> you don't even know you don't even know

936
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:32,720
it's there. I miss when I come to the

937
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,119
yard sometimes once a while I always

938
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:35,599
miss it.

939
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:42,710
>> Pass it up.

940
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,040
» So yeah. So at this point you'd be um

941
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,720
considering approving the plan on the

942
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:48,800
condition that a key be given to the the

943
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:49,440
fire department.

944
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,680
>> The only thing that I mean just just

945
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,680
>> Yeah. I think we're smart just in case.

946
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,680
there's a fire of some sort

947
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,839
back there. And then at the point in

948
00:37:57,839 --> 00:38:00,560
time once the property's vacated, if the

949
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,160
owner of the property wants the key

950
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,280
back, there's no problem there either.

951
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,320
>> So do we know I mean what

952
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,000
>> I guess did I miss what is actually

953
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,920
going to be stored there? You know,

954
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:12,320
>> right now

955
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,839
>> just it's just a empty trailers and

956
00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:15,760
truck.

957
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:16,880
>> All right. There's not we're not storing

958
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:17,920
any materials.

959
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,839
>> There's no materials there whatsoever.

960
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:21,119
>> Okay. All right. Cool.

961
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:23,440
>> No everything. Like I say, I looked in

962
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:24,880
threequarters of the trailers. Most of

963
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,359
the trailers are all licensed.

964
00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:30,240
Uh there's a couple with uh out of state

965
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,079
plates that are maybe one year out of

966
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:34,320
compliance that way, but that's not us

967
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:34,800
anyway.

968
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,480
>> Yeah, that's not okay.

969
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,920
>> Maine Maine.

970
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:38,400
>> Yes.

971
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,800
>> If it's Maine, that's not expired.

972
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,240
>> Oh, really? Okay.

973
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:46,390
>> A lot of trucking company

974
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:47,599
is good for life.

975
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:49,040
>> Oh, okay. Well, now our permanent

976
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,359
trailer plates are now, but they weren't

977
00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:52,000
back then.

978
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,440
>> Yeah.

979
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,240
>> Okay.

980
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:59,760
>> All right. Um,

981
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,280
I will entertain a motion to approve the

982
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,040
site plan

983
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,800
>> on the condition that a key be given

984
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,880
>> under the condition that a key be given

985
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,870
for the fire department.

986
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,680
I'll make a motion that the uh site plan

987
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,320
be approved under the condition of the

988
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,160
key is given to the fire department.

989
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,040
>> Yes.

990
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,160
>> And uh we really aren't going to deal

991
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,320
with a time frame or nothing. Just

992
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,800
basically Okay.

993
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,560
As written. So

994
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,240
>> yeah. Can I hear a second?

995
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:35,440
>> I'll second.

996
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:41,109
>> Okay.

997
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:44,160
Uh, all in favor signify by saying I.

998
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,599
>> I.

999
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:48,560
>> Opposed. Okay. Motion carries. You're

1000
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,480
all set.

1001
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:51,599
>> Thank you for coming.

1002
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,280
>> Thank you so much. Nice meeting you

1003
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:53,520
guys.

1004
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,960
>> Oh, you too. Good luck.

1005
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:55,839
>> Yeah. Good luck.

1006
00:39:55,839 --> 00:40:01,520
>> Next time I show up, we'll talk about

1007
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,877
industrial property.

1008
00:40:03,877 --> 00:40:05,910
>> [laughter]

1009
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,359
» My plan is just I even I came here with

1010
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:11,040
my real estate agent

1011
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,200
>> and we spoke to the lady in charge and

1012
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,599
we talk about everything. My plan is to

1013
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:20,560
have an industrial part and we start

1014
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,280
running to a come back and I'll build on

1015
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,200
the left on the right

1016
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,119
and you just build them.

1017
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:33,520
Awesome.

1018
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,160
>> And make the right.

1019
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:36,800
>> Okay.

1020
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,839
>> All righty.

1021
00:40:37,839 --> 00:40:39,119
>> All right, sir. [laughter]

1022
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:39,760
>> All right.

1023
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:40,800
>> We'll see.

1024
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,359
>> I'm gonna go play.

1025
00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:44,960
>> All right.

1026
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,720
>> Good luck, bud. Good luck. Take care,

1027
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:47,520
guys.

1028
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,240
>> Have a good night.

1029
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:49,839
>> See you later.

1030
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:52,800
>> All right. Uh, next item on the agenda,

1031
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,079
public comment and announcements.

1032
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:58,640
And I don't see any.

1033
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,560
>> Commissioner comments. Thomas.

1034
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,079
No, I'm all set.

1035
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:05,839
>> You sure?

1036
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:08,240
>> Yeah, I really don't have a lot to say

1037
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:09,119
today.

1038
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:11,760
>> All right. Uh, Greg,

1039
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,480
>> uh, thanks for having me. Sorry for the,

1040
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,680
uh, stupid questions, but you know,

1041
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,560
>> start somewhere and there's no way. You

1042
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,839
know, one thing I don't know either is

1043
00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:23,760
that, you know, I I I'm the leazison on

1044
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:24,800
to the board, right?

1045
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:25,520
>> Correct.

1046
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,319
>> Do I do I vote? Do I have any say or do

1047
00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:29,280
I, you know,

1048
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,240
>> on our board?

1049
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:32,240
>> I don't want to overstep my boundary.

1050
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:32,800
No, no,

1051
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:33,760
>> I just don't know.

1052
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,920
>> You're uh you're you're a sitting

1053
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,680
commissioner just like the rest of us.

1054
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:38,720
You're full-fledged.

1055
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:40,400
>> The only thing you do at that point in

1056
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,079
time is if the board asks you any

1057
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:43,839
questions, you tell them.

1058
00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:44,160
>> Yeah.

1059
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,040
>> Okay.

1060
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,720
>> What we're doing here basically.

1061
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,359
>> Yeah. Yeah. I just kind of got thrown

1062
00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:50,880
into the mix.

1063
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:51,599
>> No, you're fine.

1064
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:53,200
>> I'm okay. I just wanted to make sure I

1065
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:53,920
knew where I stood.

1066
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,480
>> No, you're fine. James,

1067
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,160
>> I had mentioned it before and I just

1068
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,880
still wonder, but I mean like the uh

1069
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,520
the gravel train traffic, they've kind

1070
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,480
of like since we've redid the bridge on

1071
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,240
Chartier now they got the load

1072
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:11,520
restrictions off it.

1073
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:12,720
>> Mhm.

1074
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:15,359
Well, the normal route should be like 26

1075
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:18,319
to King Road, Chartier, and to the stone

1076
00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:20,000
yards, you know, but now there's quite a

1077
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,400
few of them that are cutting off on

1078
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,920
Marsh Road, Chartier. It's eliminating

1079
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,839
one stop sign, but it's, you know, it's

1080
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:31,440
more of a residential area where they do

1081
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:32,960
have a commercial area where this truck

1082
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,520
traffic should be going. And Greg, it

1083
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,400
said something about they're going to

1084
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,000
look at possibly, you know, putting some

1085
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,760
signage up or something, you know, no

1086
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,359
through truck traffic or anything like

1087
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:43,119
that. And I mean, how do we approach

1088
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:46,560
that to try to I understand deliveries

1089
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,079
got to go through and if you're building

1090
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:50,720
something, but just using it as a

1091
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:54,079
throughway is what they're doing now

1092
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:56,000
just to get to the stone yard to get

1093
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,839
back to 26. [clears throat] And I think

1094
00:42:57,839 --> 00:43:00,000
>> when it's destroying a lot of roads and

1095
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,359
everything, you know, I mean, it's just

1096
00:43:01,359 --> 00:43:03,440
bad for the neighbors and I just some

1097
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,359
way of trying to curve that.

1098
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:06,720
>> I don't know. Do we have any

1099
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:08,240
jurisdiction on something like that,

1100
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:08,720
Ash?

1101
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:11,040
>> Um, it might depend on on the road.

1102
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,800
Exactly. I think a good place to start

1103
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,359
would be some signage. Um or I don't

1104
00:43:15,359 --> 00:43:19,760
know if if you you know the the is it a

1105
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,280
the industrial park where they're

1106
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,960
headed. I don't know if we know the

1107
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,280
>> they're going to a grally

1108
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,720
area on the river actually.

1109
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,359
>> Is that it's it's within the township?

1110
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:30,400
>> Yeah. Yes.

1111
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,240
>> It might be Marine City.

1112
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:35,200
>> Yeah. They have to go through our

1113
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,640
township to get to Right.

1114
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:37,440
>> But it's not ours.

1115
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,599
>> Right. So yeah, I mean my recommendation

1116
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:41,280
would be to start with some signage and

1117
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,359
then maybe, you know, get in touch with

1118
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:46,240
the management of the the facility

1119
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:47,680
there. Maybe Greg can give that guy a

1120
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,480
call and just let him know, hey, we're experiencing the this cut through

1121
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,920
traffic. We're putting up some sign

1122
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,960
start there. And if that doesn't seem to

1123
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,359
solve problems, then maybe we can look

1124
00:43:57,359 --> 00:43:59,040
into some other enforcement type

1125
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,800
options. But um I don't know.

1126
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,240
>> I just see a lot of signs go up. You

1127
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:05,520
know, they're talking about Jake

1128
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,280
breaking, no engine breaking. You see

1129
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,280
that? Yeah. And then

1130
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,640
>> engine braking is not supposed to be

1131
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:11,680
used in a residential,

1132
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,119
>> right? And they're doing it and that's

1133
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:13,839
what I mean,

1134
00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:15,520
>> right? So, it's an enforcement kind of

1135
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,440
piece. I don't know if that's, you know,

1136
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:18,000
public safety.

1137
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,800
>> Well, you know, when that roundabout

1138
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,880
comes, it's going to get a lot worse.

1139
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,240
>> Which roundabout's this?

1140
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:26,560
>> Um, Marsh and Marine City Highway.

1141
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,200
>> Oh, yeah.

1142
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:27,920
>> Next year.

1143
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,920
>> That's supposed to be the next one.

1144
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,359
>> Yeah.

1145
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:34,400
>> They're going to put a roundabout there.

1146
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,119
When that comes, the trucks rather than

1147
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:38,720
make a half circle around, they're going

1148
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:40,480
to make a right hand turn and then a

1149
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,000
rolling left on the chart here

1150
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,240
and then this straight shot in. So that

1151
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,480
way they avoid the red light and

1152
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,040
>> on Marine City Highway and King the red

1153
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,400
light road. Yeah.

1154
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,480
>> Plank West Boulevard, whichever way you

1155
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,000
want to call it

1156
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,440
>> and a stop sign.

1157
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,680
>> Yeah. So, they're just it's just a

1158
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,040
they've got to slow down for the

1159
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,880
roundabout anyhow.

1160
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,160
>> So, they're just going to make a right

1161
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:06,800
hand turn.

1162
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,720
>> And the only thing is if the road is

1163
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:11,680
rated for their weight, I don't know

1164
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,240
there's jurisdiction to stop them.

1165
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,400
When when I

1166
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,880
when we well when we both built our

1167
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,760
houses back in the 70s,

1168
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,960
uh that end of Marsh Road was rated at 9

1169
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,720
ton when they repaved retopped it here

1170
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:32,880
what about six years ago?

1171
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,640
>> Yeah. No, maybe a little longer.

1172
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,040
>> Probably six, seven years ago. That's

1173
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,119
when they took the nine ton ride rating

1174
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:44,400
down. Since then, the semi traffic, the

1175
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,280
gravel train traffic has

1176
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,240
slowly accelerated, but in the last

1177
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:53,760
year, it's picked up a lot.

1178
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:54,960
>> Yeah.

1179
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,359
>> And when that roundabout comes, it's

1180
00:45:57,359 --> 00:45:59,119
going to pick up a lot more because

1181
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:02,480
Marine City Highway has a lot of

1182
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,319
gravel trains that go to the gravel

1183
00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:08,720
yards that both yards down there.

1184
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:10,800
And they put that new bridge across the

1185
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:11,599
drudge cut.

1186
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:12,079
>> Right.

1187
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:13,520
>> That's that was a capper.

1188
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,280
>> Yeah. Now they took all the restrictions

1189
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,400
off right there.

1190
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,119
>> Right.

1191
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:19,200
>> They were, you know, I mean, a two axle

1192
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,560
truck was barely going to make it over

1193
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,720
that one at that point, you know.

1194
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:24,400
>> Right.

1195
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,520
>> Yeah. I don't know. Like I said, that's something I don't know. That's

1196
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,280
kind of out of my my realm. I can tell

1197
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:29,839
you that.

1198
00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:31,119
>> I had talked to Greg and he says

1199
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:33,040
something about

1200
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,640
truck route, you know, signages and

1201
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,200
stuff because that is supposedly the

1202
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,160
ideal route. through more the way it's

1203
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,160
zoned and industrial type thing. I don't

1204
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,760
>> I actually think that's something that

1205
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,119
would go I think to the township board.

1206
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:47,839
>> Yeah.

1207
00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:50,880
>> Because I know Clay Township's done it

1208
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,280
for like the sand pit that was over on

1209
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,400
Benoy that West Simons used to own.

1210
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,079
There was a truck route section that had

1211
00:46:58,079 --> 00:46:59,839
to come in off a marsh. couldn't come in

1212
00:46:59,839 --> 00:47:01,920
off a stone road and go there

1213
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,760
>> because you had to use the truck route

1214
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,280
which the truck route was off a marsh

1215
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,119
and straight down but in order to get

1216
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:08,160
there.

1217
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:08,800
>> Okay.

1218
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,960
>> So, I mean there's probably where

1219
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,319
there's a will there's a way. It's just

1220
00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:14,480
I don't know how the township goes about

1221
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:14,800
it.

1222
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,480
>> Yeah, I can look into it just to see

1223
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,400
what what other communities have done.

1224
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,280
I'm not

1225
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,319
>> Yeah, appreciate it because I just

1226
00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:24,000
>> try to nip it in a bud before it does

1227
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,599
get too much but you know

1228
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:27,440
>> you can slow it down some.

1229
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,160
>> For sure.

1230
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,440
>> Yeah.

1231
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:29,920
Because

1232
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:30,480
>> right

1233
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,760
>> there's a lot of semis that come up and

1234
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,280
down now

1235
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,640
>> and they don't slow down. That's the

1236
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:37,839
worst part. They're they're they're

1237
00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:39,760
hauling. You know, time is money so

1238
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:40,640
they're going.

1239
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,760
>> Yeah.

1240
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:50,150
That's all I got. Thank you,

1241
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,359
» Carol.

1242
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:51,839
>> What?

1243
00:47:51,839 --> 00:47:53,119
>> Anything?

1244
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:55,119
>> Nothing.

1245
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:55,839
>> Hello.

1246
00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:57,440
>> No.

1247
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,880
>> All right. I have nothing. Uh, do I hear

1248
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,800
a motion?

1249
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,280
>> I'll make a motion we turn the meeting

1250
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,560
for tonight.

1251
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,880
>> Second it.

1252
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,520
>> All in favor signify by saying I.

1253
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:12,560
>> I.

1254
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,880
>> Opposed.

1255
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,400
We are adjourned.

1256
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,950
>> Great.

1257
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,079
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1260
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