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>> chair: good evening, it's

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5:00 and we are going to go

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ahead and open up for public

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hearing.

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I think mary and chuck will be

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joining us shortsly.

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MADAM Clerk, first item or only

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item.

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>> first and only item, z26-0000

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z26-00005, transmittal hearing

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for everlee farmstead community

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large scale comprehensive plan

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amendment.

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>> chair: okay, thank you.

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And the recommended action is to

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transmit the application z26-05

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with policies for the state for

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review and comment.

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And MR. Dawson, you are

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recognized.

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>> good evening, MR. Chair.

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Chris dawson, principal planner

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for development services of

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alachua county growth management

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department.

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You have my resume.

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Tonight as the clerk mentioned,

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this is the transmittal hearing

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for the everlee farmstead

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community which is a large scale

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comprehensive plan amendment.

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>> chair: and I presume we will

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do your presentation and then we

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will break for public comment at

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>> I'm going to try to not talk

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for half an hour, MR. Chair.

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>> chair: then we will turn it

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over to the applicant.

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>> we'll see where you are and

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you tell me when to sit down and

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let other people speak.

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>> chair: right on.

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Thank you, sir.

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>> MR. Chair, this is a future

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land use map amendment for about

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996 acres, 820 of which are

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inside the hickory sink special

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area plan and 176 are outside.

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it would change the future land

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use designation from rural

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agriculture to everlee farmstead

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community.

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And it would also create

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policies implementing the

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everlee farmstead community

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future land use designation.

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This application is really

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considered a part of the hickory

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sink special area plan.

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Even though there is some land

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outside the limits of the

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special area study that's

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included, the majority of the

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property is inside.

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That special area study was

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accepted by the board in

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NOVEMBER 2023.

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It included a number of

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conditions which had been

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addressed in the application

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before us today.

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It allowed for a phase 1 U.F.

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Golf development and you saw

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that comprehensive plan

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amendment and pd before you

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earlier this year.

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It identified conservation areas

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within the limits of the special

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area study and it also

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identified areas for potential

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future development.

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And there was specific direction

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included on the protection of

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natural resources within the

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limits of the special area

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study.

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So the sas now has really three

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sort of distinct.

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There's 580 acres you saw

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earlier owned by the U.F.

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Foundation.

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That's where the U.F. Golf

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course is.

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There are all the lands west of

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parker road that are owned by

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U.F. Ifas and managed by U.F.

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And then there are the lands

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sort of south of the golf course

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on the east side of parker road

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that are subject to this

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application.

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The ones within the sas are

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still under the ownership of the

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lee family or associated

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entities.

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There's some additional

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properties outside of the sas

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that are in private ownership.

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And generally, it's located

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south of oakmont and west of

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haile plantation.

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That's sort of a location map

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there.

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Oakmont is up here.

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Haile plantation is here.

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The legonna development is here

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sort of in the center of the

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screen to the east.

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Parker road on the west side and

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archer road there running to the

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south.

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Again, an aerial of the --

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recent aerial of the project

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site.

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Most of this property has been

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historically used for

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agriculture of different kinds.

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It's been ranchland at times.

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It's been active farming.

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And it's been in silviculture

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again at different times.

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And even the properties that are

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outside of the special area

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study have had sort of similar

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historic agricultural uses.

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And again, the proposal is to

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change the future land use

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designation for these properties

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from rural agriculture to the

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everlee farmstead community

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future land use designation.

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And on this map, you can see

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that's the sort of I'm going to

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call it brown for sake of

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discussion color on the map.

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And then the blue line shows the

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properties that were part of the

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special area study.

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You can see the U.F. Golf

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institutional to the north.

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Again, this is a request for

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properties both within and

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outside the hickory sink special

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area study.

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And we have proposed policies

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that are included in the staff

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report.

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We're going to go through some

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of them, not necessarily in

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detail, but we certainly can

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that create the everlee

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farmstead community future land

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use designation.

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And that's applied to about

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996a.

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Again, just say we sort of in

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the special area planning

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process, that we have identified

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in our comprehensive plan, there

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was a special area study scope

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of work that y'all approved.

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The study itself which included

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significant stakeholder public

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participation and your

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acceptance of a resolution for

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the special area study, that was

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in NOVEMBER 2023.

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And now we're really at that

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sort of implementing special

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area plan.

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So that's kind of zoomed out a

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little bit more.

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Just so you can see the extent

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of the hickory sink on the west

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side of parker road.

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You can see all these -- this

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actually goes all the way up to

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tioga south, up here on the

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northern end.

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And then again, you can see the

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limits of the everlee farmstead

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community future land use

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designation down here in the

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So again, proposed changes.

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The first one is a map change to

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change that future land use

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designation from rural

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agriculture to everlee farmstead

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community.

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And that also will include an

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update of the map f-17 that we

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adopted as part of the U.F. Golf

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application to reflect the new

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future land use designation on

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these properties.

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that, the map at 17.

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And again, you can see there

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that's the everlee farmstead%

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community that we have sort of

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designated on that special area

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plan map.

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So the second part is a lot of

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text amendments.

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And as I mentioned, we're going

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to go through them.

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These are adopted in or proposed

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in policies 8.6.1 through 8.6.4.

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Those have already been adopted.

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Those would still, to some

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extent, apply within the everlee

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farmstead community.

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That includes the designation of

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the conservation management

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areas, those kinds of policies.

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policies in 8.6.6 that we'll go

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Those apply to all of the

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everlee farmstead community.

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So not just the area within the

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special area plan, those apply

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to all of the properties for

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this future land use

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designation.

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of the policies that we're

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adopting and the sort of

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framework in the sort of view of

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the conditions that you all

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adopted as part of the

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acceptance of the special area

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study.

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So, for example, on this first

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one, condition 8 related to

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prioritizing protection of

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conservation management areas

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and clustering development close

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to the urban cluster, it

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required any application to

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address requirements of policy

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7.1. 3 which is related to the

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companion of the urban cluster.

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It had a requirement that it be

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served by urban infrastructure

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and do an analysis that

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demonstrates that's possible.

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Required an analysis of the

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potable water and sanitary sewer

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facilities element, policy 3.1.5

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which deals with the extension

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of potable water and sanitary

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sewer outside the urban cluster.

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It required transportation

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connections consistent with our

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urban mobility districts,

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including connectivity to

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surrounding development.

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Required urban design concepts

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that support non-automotive

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modes of transportation.

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for affordable housing

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consistent with policies adopted

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in our comprehensive plan.

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So I say that there's a lot of

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things there in condition 8.

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Each of those is addressed sort

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of somewhere in the policies

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that we're proposing for

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adoption.

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Condition 9 dealt again more

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with the extension of central

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water and sanitary sewer and the

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analysis of 3.1.5 and 3.1.6 from

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the potable water and sanitary

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sewer element.

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And condition 10 dealt

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specifically with conservation

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and low water use landscaping

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and it included some such ases

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up here on the screen but

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certainly didn't limit it to

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those sort of individual topics.

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And then condition 13 dealt with

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stormwater treatment, the use of

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low-impact design ideas and

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engineered soils for

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de-nitrofication.

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And some of those are addressed

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specifically in policies we are

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proposing for adoption.

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Some MAY have more specific

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elimination later on in the

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process if the board decides to

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move forward with this comp plan

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amendment.

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So at this point, I'm going to

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sort of dive into the proposed

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policies that we have written.

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And sort of talk about what the

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policies do in terms of the

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everlee farmstead community

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future land use designation.

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And the first is proposed policy

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8.6.6.

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And this is the additional%

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development entitlements that

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the project that we are

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proposing be granted to the

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project.

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So under the current future land

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use designation for the

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property, staff estimated

329
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loosely, it's sometimes hard to

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do it more specifically, but

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about 275 units would be a

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reasonable number of units that

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could be developed in a

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clustered subdivision on the

335
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property.

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So that's based on the acreage

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of the property that allows one

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dwelling unit per 5 acres as

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well as bonus units that would

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be available through the

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clustering provisions of our

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plan.

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Policy 8.6.6 proposes 2,500

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residential units, market rate

345
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residential units, plus an

346
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additional 250 affordable units

347
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and 200,000 square feet of

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non-residential development.

349
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So that's the sort of total of

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what would be allowed on the

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property.

352
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And the proposed policies

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require that 5,000 acres be the

354
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basis for transfer of

355
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development rights either

356
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through acquisition or fee

357
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in lieu.

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That's where those residential

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units really come from.

360
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So I'm going to go through that

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here in just a second, about how

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we arrived at those numbers a

363
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little bit more.

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>> chair: okay.

365
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>> I did want to just point out

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that's really -- it's not that

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the units are just being created

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out of nowhere.

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We are really looking for them

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to be moved from one place to

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here.

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Policy 7.1.3 of the future land

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use element is a policy that

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requires the analysis of need

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for expansion of the urban

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cluster.

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So two parts to that.

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The applicant is not proposing

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to expand the urban cluster.

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And the staff policies that

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we're proposing also would not

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change the location of the urban

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cluster line.

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So the everlee farmstead

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community would continue to be

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located outside of the urban

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cluster, even though it would be

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served by central sanitary sewer

389
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and potable water.

390
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The applicant did not find that

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analysis that is part of the

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evaluation and proposal which we

393
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are considering right now was

394
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wrong or invalid.

395
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And really didn't identify sort

396
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of in the way that our

397
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comprehensive plan requires the

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identification of need.

399
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There isn't really a methodology

400
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to get there.

401
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i think what I would say about

402
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that is sort of as staff, we

403
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focused on the policy outcomes

404
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for this particular piece of

405
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property.

406
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That is the build-out through

407
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the future land use designation

408
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as compared to the build-out

409
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under the proposed policies.

410
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And given those two, we think

411
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that the option as we propose

412
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today is a better outcome for

413
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several reasons than what might

414
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be allowed with 275 units on the

415
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site today.

416
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Policy 7.1.3e of the

417
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comprehensive plan deals with

418
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what you have to do if you are

419
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expanding the cluster.

420
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And there's a bunch of stuff in

421
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there, like that's the analysis

422
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of need part.

423
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But there's also okay, if you

424
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are going to expand it, you have

425
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to do one of these two things.

426
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And one of those is that 25% of

427
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any new units have to be

428
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affordable at 80% of area median

429
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income.

430
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And the other sort of option is

431
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that you have to have a transfer

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of development rights for any

433
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new units authorized by the

434
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amendment.

435
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So those are sort of the two

436
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ends of the spectrum.

437
00:14:36,323 --> 00:14:37,491
And what we have sort of done is

438
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mashed those together.

439
00:14:42,329 --> 00:14:44,298
And so what we have said is that

440
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there has to be a purchase or

441
00:14:48,101 --> 00:14:49,870
pay a fee in lieu of for

442
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5,000 acres of other land where

443
00:14:52,172 --> 00:14:55,172
those units could come from.

444
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That's 55% of the full tdr

445
00:14:56,176 --> 00:14:58,176
requirement.

446
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And that the development has to

447
00:15:00,381 --> 00:15:02,381
provide 250 affordable housing

448
00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:05,286
units, that's at the 80% ami, at

449
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or below 80% ami.

450
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And that's about 45% of that

451
00:15:14,610 --> 00:15:15,696
full requirement.

452
00:15:15,696 --> 00:15:16,797
We have kind of mixed that and

453
00:15:16,797 --> 00:15:18,980
said you get some of this and

454
00:15:18,980 --> 00:15:20,635
some of that but together they

455
00:15:20,635 --> 00:15:22,502
add up to that full 100%.

456
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Just graphically because some

457
00:15:24,270 --> 00:15:26,600
people MAY think better, you can

458
00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,144
kind of think of the top arrow

459
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going zero to 8,900.

460
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8,900 would be the total number

461
00:15:33,314 --> 00:15:34,415
of acres required to offset the

462
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additional entitlements.

463
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On the bottom you could look at

464
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that 25% and say it would be 557

465
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units if it were all affordable

466
00:15:41,122 --> 00:15:42,523
housing.

467
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So you might say, well, like if

468
00:15:45,992 --> 00:15:49,592
you were right in the middle,

469
00:15:49,964 --> 00:15:51,310
it's 4,450 of tdr, 279 of

470
00:15:51,310 --> 00:15:52,533
affordable units.

471
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You could slide that bar over to

472
00:15:56,204 --> 00:15:56,971
one side and do less tdr and

473
00:15:56,971 --> 00:15:58,506
more affordable units.

474
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You could slide the bar the

475
00:16:01,675 --> 00:16:03,510
other direction and do more tdr,

476
00:16:03,510 --> 00:16:05,510
fewer affordable units.

477
00:16:05,947 --> 00:16:06,914
And in discussion with the

478
00:16:06,914 --> 00:16:10,514
applicant, this is sort of the

479
00:16:11,185 --> 00:16:11,886
place that we arrive, which is

480
00:16:11,886 --> 00:16:12,153
5,000 acres, 250 affordable

481
00:16:12,153 --> 00:16:14,880
units.

482
00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:14,289
So that's kind of how we got

483
00:16:14,289 --> 00:16:16,289
there.

484
00:16:16,991 --> 00:16:18,590
There isn't a policy specific to

485
00:16:18,590 --> 00:16:18,435
that in the comprehensive plan

486
00:16:18,435 --> 00:16:20,435
today.

487
00:16:20,595 --> 00:16:22,764
And those policies that are in

488
00:16:22,764 --> 00:16:24,532
there about tdr and affordable

489
00:16:24,532 --> 00:16:26,932
housing are related specifically

490
00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:28,503
to the expansion of the cluster.

491
00:16:28,503 --> 00:16:30,972
Again, we're not expanding the

492
00:16:30,972 --> 00:16:31,973
cluster, so this is sort of an

493
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in-between where we are taking

494
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those policies that we have in

495
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the comprehensive plan and

496
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adapting them to how this site

497
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might function.

498
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>> chair: any questions on that,

499
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commissioners?

500
00:16:46,387 --> 00:16:48,560
Okay.

501
00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:49,457
i'd love to go through it.

502
00:16:49,457 --> 00:16:49,990
>> yeah, let's go through it

503
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first.

504
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>> chair: okay.

505
00:16:55,597 --> 00:16:56,698
>> MR. Chair, the policies 3.1.5

506
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and 3.1.6 provide some options

507
00:17:03,605 --> 00:17:04,539
to the board about expanding or

508
00:17:04,539 --> 00:17:05,674
expending potable water and

509
00:17:05,674 --> 00:17:06,675
sanitary sewer lines into

510
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outside the cluster.

511
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There's an a, b, c and d.

512
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And one of those is sort of the

513
00:17:13,315 --> 00:17:14,482
health, safety, welfare, you

514
00:17:14,482 --> 00:17:15,884
know, if we don't do that,

515
00:17:15,884 --> 00:17:17,419
people are going to -- wells are

516
00:17:17,419 --> 00:17:19,870
going to go bad or, you know,

517
00:17:19,870 --> 00:17:19,553
there's too many septic tanks,

518
00:17:19,553 --> 00:17:21,553
something like that.

519
00:17:22,457 --> 00:17:23,225
So those are sort of a and b,

520
00:17:23,225 --> 00:17:25,600
those two.

521
00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:26,495
C is that the board finds --

522
00:17:26,495 --> 00:17:28,263
makes a finding and that's what

523
00:17:28,263 --> 00:17:31,863
we're doing here tonight -- that

524
00:17:32,834 --> 00:17:34,468
the extension of those

525
00:17:34,468 --> 00:17:35,904
facilities would meet the goals

526
00:17:35,904 --> 00:17:36,772
of the comprehensive plan in

527
00:17:36,772 --> 00:17:38,540
some other way.

528
00:17:38,540 --> 00:17:40,275
And so we have really said --

529
00:17:40,275 --> 00:17:42,478
and in here, it talks about the

530
00:17:42,478 --> 00:17:44,878
retention and expansion of

531
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business and industry or the

532
00:17:45,748 --> 00:17:47,348
attraction of new business.

533
00:17:47,348 --> 00:17:49,785
What we have said instead is

534
00:17:49,785 --> 00:17:52,754
that really that protection of

535
00:17:52,754 --> 00:17:54,823
land through the tdr and the

536
00:17:54,823 --> 00:17:55,791
provision of affordable housing

537
00:17:55,791 --> 00:17:57,726
units are goals that the

538
00:17:57,726 --> 00:17:59,940
commission has identified in its

539
00:17:59,940 --> 00:18:01,940
comprehensive plan.

540
00:18:01,396 --> 00:18:03,899
And so that this plan really

541
00:18:03,899 --> 00:18:05,767
does support those other goals

542
00:18:05,767 --> 00:18:06,202
that are identified in the

543
00:18:06,202 --> 00:18:08,170
comprehensive plan.

544
00:18:08,170 --> 00:18:11,390
That's why we think it's okay

545
00:18:11,390 --> 00:18:12,410
for the extension of potable

546
00:18:12,410 --> 00:18:13,843
water and sanitary sewer.

547
00:18:13,843 --> 00:18:17,443
In addition to having that many

548
00:18:20,416 --> 00:18:20,749
units would really require it

549
00:18:20,749 --> 00:18:22,749
anyway.

550
00:18:26,550 --> 00:18:28,390
So again, it is supportive of

551
00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:29,925
the 250 affordable units, the

552
00:18:29,925 --> 00:18:32,325
5,000 acres of conservation or

553
00:18:32,561 --> 00:18:35,561
ag preservation and the urban

554
00:18:36,865 --> 00:18:38,501
form of development that will be

555
00:18:38,501 --> 00:18:41,501
underan as part of this.

556
00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:44,807
And then really, at that point,

557
00:18:44,807 --> 00:18:46,807
policy 3.1.6 doesn't apply

558
00:18:47,109 --> 00:18:48,744
because that specifically

559
00:18:48,744 --> 00:18:49,845
applies to the expansion of the

560
00:18:49,845 --> 00:18:51,147
urban cluster.

561
00:18:51,147 --> 00:18:52,348
So that's sort of how we went

562
00:18:52,348 --> 00:18:55,348
through that analysis of those

563
00:18:57,453 --> 00:19:00,453
two policies that were required

564
00:19:02,910 --> 00:19:03,159
in the conditions of the sas

565
00:19:03,159 --> 00:19:03,960
resolution.

566
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,960
For transportation mobility,

567
00:19:06,290 --> 00:19:07,997
there's really a couple of

568
00:19:07,997 --> 00:19:10,660
policies that support that, that

569
00:19:10,660 --> 00:19:12,168
deal with the transportation

570
00:19:12,168 --> 00:19:14,168
mobility aspect.

571
00:19:18,374 --> 00:19:20,374
Proposed policy 8.6.6.3 require

572
00:19:21,100 --> 00:19:21,444
the development consistent with

573
00:19:21,444 --> 00:19:22,878
tnd standards.

574
00:19:22,878 --> 00:19:24,280
So the development itself sets

575
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,149
up the idea of character areas

576
00:19:26,149 --> 00:19:27,484
which are different parts of the

577
00:19:27,484 --> 00:19:28,451
development and would have

578
00:19:28,451 --> 00:19:29,351
different kinds of

579
00:19:29,351 --> 00:19:31,187
characteristics.

580
00:19:31,187 --> 00:19:32,154
So there's both the village core

581
00:19:32,154 --> 00:19:34,657
and village edge that would

582
00:19:34,657 --> 00:19:36,920
function much like our village

583
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,194
center and transit supportive

584
00:19:38,194 --> 00:19:40,330
area for TNDs function.

585
00:19:40,330 --> 00:19:41,264
And then the hamlet portion of

586
00:19:41,264 --> 00:19:43,533
the development, which would

587
00:19:43,533 --> 00:19:45,401
function like our outside the

588
00:19:45,401 --> 00:19:47,269
transit supportive area.

589
00:19:47,269 --> 00:19:49,572
And although the standards

590
00:19:49,572 --> 00:19:50,974
aren't necessarily specifically

591
00:19:50,974 --> 00:19:53,709
implemented in the comp plan

592
00:19:53,709 --> 00:19:55,812
here, we make reference to those

593
00:19:55,812 --> 00:19:58,548
sections of our comp plan being

594
00:19:58,548 --> 00:20:00,483
the guiding factor for how those

595
00:20:00,483 --> 00:20:02,483
areas will develop.

596
00:20:03,987 --> 00:20:05,880
The fourth character area is the

597
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,880
farmstead character area.

598
00:20:08,158 --> 00:20:10,126
That's more rural and isn't

599
00:20:10,126 --> 00:20:11,940
appropriate to have those same

600
00:20:11,940 --> 00:20:12,195
urban design standards.

601
00:20:12,195 --> 00:20:13,396
we'll talk about that here in

602
00:20:13,396 --> 00:20:16,396
just a second as well.

603
00:20:16,900 --> 00:20:17,868
And then proposed policy 8.6

604
00:20:17,868 --> 00:20:19,469
8.6.6.13 writers the

605
00:20:19,469 --> 00:20:20,604
implementation of a mobility

606
00:20:20,604 --> 00:20:22,139
district which is what we have

607
00:20:22,139 --> 00:20:23,907
for our other mobility fee.

608
00:20:23,907 --> 00:20:25,442
We have three mobility districts

609
00:20:25,442 --> 00:20:28,450
in the county and it would

610
00:20:28,450 --> 00:20:30,470
require the implementation for a

611
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:31,782
mobility district specific to

612
00:20:31,782 --> 00:20:33,684
this development with a fee that

613
00:20:33,684 --> 00:20:36,684
is intended to support projects

614
00:20:37,787 --> 00:20:39,423
that are related directly to

615
00:20:39,423 --> 00:20:39,690
this everlee farmstead

616
00:20:39,690 --> 00:20:41,690
community.

617
00:20:41,825 --> 00:20:43,160
And that includes a requirement

618
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,260
to construct internal

619
00:20:44,260 --> 00:20:46,260
infrastructure that enhances

620
00:20:46,863 --> 00:20:49,263
mobility within the development

621
00:20:49,366 --> 00:20:50,801
and also a limitation on

622
00:20:50,801 --> 00:20:52,569
development, the amount of

623
00:20:52,569 --> 00:20:54,471
development prior to the

624
00:20:54,471 --> 00:20:56,871
programming of four-laning of

625
00:21:00,210 --> 00:21:03,210
state road 24 to parker road.

626
00:21:03,380 --> 00:21:05,149
I mentioned the character areas.

627
00:21:05,149 --> 00:21:07,384
So the farmstead generally

628
00:21:07,384 --> 00:21:09,854
allows density up to one

629
00:21:09,854 --> 00:21:11,388
dwelling unit per 3 acres which

630
00:21:11,388 --> 00:21:12,590
is a little higher than our

631
00:21:12,590 --> 00:21:13,657
current rural ag designation.

632
00:21:13,657 --> 00:21:16,600
There are some areas that

633
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,262
require clustering and that are

634
00:21:18,262 --> 00:21:21,262
calculated at the one dwelling

635
00:21:21,765 --> 00:21:23,300
unit per 5 acres so it's not

636
00:21:23,300 --> 00:21:24,168
directly 1-to-3 over the whole

637
00:21:24,168 --> 00:21:25,269
thing, but generally that's

638
00:21:25,269 --> 00:21:27,269
where we started.

639
00:21:27,571 --> 00:21:29,407
The hamlet is I'll just say more

640
00:21:29,407 --> 00:21:30,441
suburban in nature and allows

641
00:21:30,441 --> 00:21:31,809
densities up to five dwelling

642
00:21:31,809 --> 00:21:34,110
units per acre but again would

643
00:21:34,110 --> 00:21:35,879
be very similar in design

644
00:21:35,879 --> 00:21:37,949
outside the transit supportive

645
00:21:37,949 --> 00:21:40,170
area and design standards,

646
00:21:40,170 --> 00:21:41,886
sidewalks, pedestrian, bike,

647
00:21:41,886 --> 00:21:43,886
transportation infrastructure.

648
00:21:44,622 --> 00:21:46,190
The village edge, which would be

649
00:21:46,190 --> 00:21:48,292
mixed use with up to 10 dwelling

650
00:21:48,292 --> 00:21:48,792
units per acre and a minimum of

651
00:21:48,792 --> 00:21:50,792
300 units.

652
00:21:50,862 --> 00:21:52,696
And then the village core which

653
00:21:52,696 --> 00:21:54,310
is mixed use with up to 16

654
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:55,466
dwelling units per acre and

655
00:21:55,466 --> 00:21:57,466
minimum of 600 units.

656
00:21:58,936 --> 00:22:01,372
So those are both a little bit

657
00:22:01,372 --> 00:22:02,974
the maximum density of those two

658
00:22:02,974 --> 00:22:04,308
are a little bit higher than

659
00:22:04,308 --> 00:22:07,908
what is allowed in our tnd.

660
00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:09,414
So our tnd maxes out on I think

661
00:22:09,414 --> 00:22:11,382
10 dwelling units per acre in

662
00:22:11,382 --> 00:22:12,617
the village center and goes down

663
00:22:12,617 --> 00:22:14,485
in the transit supportive area.

664
00:22:14,485 --> 00:22:16,554
So these would be a little bit

665
00:22:16,554 --> 00:22:18,890
higher, on the high end.

666
00:22:18,890 --> 00:22:19,490
And rather than having a minimum

667
00:22:19,490 --> 00:22:20,491
density on the low end, it's a

668
00:22:20,491 --> 00:22:22,227
minimum number of units.

669
00:22:22,227 --> 00:22:23,761
It's a little bit different, but

670
00:22:23,761 --> 00:22:24,950
accomplishes a similar kind of

671
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:26,950
goal.

672
00:22:26,664 --> 00:22:29,320
And then the five dwelling units

673
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,200
per acre is one dwelling unit

674
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,971
per acre more intense than our

675
00:22:32,971 --> 00:22:34,239
low density future land use

676
00:22:34,239 --> 00:22:35,707
designation, but really sits in

677
00:22:35,707 --> 00:22:39,907
the same sort of area in terms

678
00:22:41,613 --> 00:22:43,613
of intensity.

679
00:22:43,782 --> 00:22:45,416
The farmstead character area

680
00:22:45,416 --> 00:22:48,153
under the proposed policies is

681
00:22:48,153 --> 00:22:51,222
required to be a minimum of

682
00:22:51,222 --> 00:22:51,990
400 acres, so 400 acres out of

683
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:53,990
the 996 acres.

684
00:22:54,292 --> 00:22:58,492
And a minimum of 50% of that is

685
00:22:58,496 --> 00:22:59,998
set aside for uses consistent

686
00:22:59,998 --> 00:23:02,266
with policy 6.2.12c which is the

687
00:23:02,266 --> 00:23:03,802
policies in our rural clustered

688
00:23:03,802 --> 00:23:04,135
subdivisions related to open

689
00:23:04,135 --> 00:23:06,135
space.

690
00:23:06,237 --> 00:23:08,974
And this would include all of

691
00:23:08,974 --> 00:23:10,709
the CMAs that are designated

692
00:23:10,709 --> 00:23:11,243
as part of the special area

693
00:23:11,243 --> 00:23:13,243
study.

694
00:23:13,979 --> 00:23:15,447
Those are CMAs and they only

695
00:23:15,447 --> 00:23:17,249
get to be CMAs.

696
00:23:17,249 --> 00:23:18,250
You don't do development or

697
00:23:18,250 --> 00:23:19,885
stormwater in there.

698
00:23:19,885 --> 00:23:21,920
It would also include areas

699
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,550
where the strategic ecosystem

700
00:23:24,550 --> 00:23:27,550
standards apply, either as a

701
00:23:27,659 --> 00:23:29,828
clustered subdivision or as

702
00:23:29,828 --> 00:23:30,562
complete set aside as, you know,

703
00:23:30,562 --> 00:23:32,962
potentially ag lands or

704
00:23:33,231 --> 00:23:35,231
something like that.

705
00:23:35,601 --> 00:23:39,201
There would be more property in

706
00:23:39,471 --> 00:23:40,672
the farmstead, so the sort of

707
00:23:40,672 --> 00:23:43,720
remaining homestead area from

708
00:23:43,740 --> 00:23:44,510
the lee family, which is sort of

709
00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:46,578
centrally east located in the

710
00:23:46,578 --> 00:23:46,879
project would be included in

711
00:23:46,879 --> 00:23:48,447
this.

712
00:23:48,447 --> 00:23:49,448
And then there would be

713
00:23:49,448 --> 00:23:52,448
additional open space areas that

714
00:23:57,189 --> 00:23:58,490
would be included as well.

715
00:23:58,490 --> 00:24:00,890
Policy 8.6.611 would require a

716
00:24:01,793 --> 00:24:02,994
working farm as part of the

717
00:24:02,994 --> 00:24:03,962
development, which would be a

718
00:24:03,962 --> 00:24:06,310
minimum of 20 acres in size.

719
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:08,767
It has to be located outside of

720
00:24:08,767 --> 00:24:10,569
any cma or any of the other

721
00:24:10,569 --> 00:24:11,403
areas that are identified with

722
00:24:11,403 --> 00:24:12,905
the additional development

723
00:24:12,905 --> 00:24:13,805
standards as part of the special

724
00:24:13,805 --> 00:24:15,805
area study.

725
00:24:16,875 --> 00:24:18,944
And this would generally support

726
00:24:18,944 --> 00:24:20,379
agricultural and community-based

727
00:24:20,379 --> 00:24:22,379
agriculture related activities.

728
00:24:22,548 --> 00:24:23,883
So you can think of this as

729
00:24:23,883 --> 00:24:26,283
farm-to-table type of things,

730
00:24:27,530 --> 00:24:27,752
farmers' markets, actual farm,

731
00:24:27,752 --> 00:24:28,887
producing farm.

732
00:24:28,887 --> 00:24:30,890
There's a range of activities

733
00:24:30,890 --> 00:24:33,689
that could be considered as part

734
00:24:37,462 --> 00:24:39,462
of that.

735
00:24:39,665 --> 00:24:41,670
Policy 8.6.6.15 requires a pd.

736
00:24:41,670 --> 00:24:43,350
It requires the implementing pd.

737
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:44,804
So all of this will be

738
00:24:44,804 --> 00:24:45,404
implemented by a planned

739
00:24:45,404 --> 00:24:47,404
development zoning district.

740
00:24:48,541 --> 00:24:49,175
We don't have any current zoning

741
00:24:49,175 --> 00:24:51,430
districts that would be

742
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:52,712
appropriate for it.

743
00:24:52,712 --> 00:24:53,879
And it requires the planned

744
00:24:53,879 --> 00:24:55,648
development to include

745
00:24:55,648 --> 00:24:58,480
disturbance limitations so that

746
00:24:58,151 --> 00:24:59,785
means the actual areas of land

747
00:24:59,785 --> 00:25:01,220
where you are disturbing the

748
00:25:01,220 --> 00:25:03,620
property as you're developing.

749
00:25:04,290 --> 00:25:05,491
So it would require a

750
00:25:05,491 --> 00:25:07,793
minimization of that and

751
00:25:07,793 --> 00:25:09,194
provides for some selective

752
00:25:09,194 --> 00:25:11,831
clearly in the CMAs where that

753
00:25:11,831 --> 00:25:14,231
is consistent with the

754
00:25:14,901 --> 00:25:15,868
restoration of the cma itself.

755
00:25:15,868 --> 00:25:17,303
Policy 8.6.16 requires

756
00:25:17,303 --> 00:25:19,370
geophysical testing prior to

757
00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:19,272
stormwater management facility

758
00:25:19,272 --> 00:25:21,107
design.

759
00:25:21,107 --> 00:25:22,875
The specifics of that are still

760
00:25:22,875 --> 00:25:24,410
being sort of worked out as part

761
00:25:24,410 --> 00:25:26,245
of the planned development.

762
00:25:26,245 --> 00:25:28,548
But I'll just note that as part

763
00:25:28,548 --> 00:25:31,840
of the U.F. Golf pd, there was

764
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,840
some pretty stringent

765
00:25:33,252 --> 00:25:34,454
requirements about testing,

766
00:25:34,454 --> 00:25:36,423
subsurface testing prior to

767
00:25:36,423 --> 00:25:36,989
implementation of stormwater

768
00:25:36,989 --> 00:25:38,391
management system.

769
00:25:38,391 --> 00:25:40,791
We would anticipate similar

770
00:25:41,361 --> 00:25:43,663
kinds of requirements on the pd.

771
00:25:43,663 --> 00:25:45,832
And then it also requires a

772
00:25:45,832 --> 00:25:46,833
stormwater best management

773
00:25:46,833 --> 00:25:47,633
practices document as part of

774
00:25:47,633 --> 00:25:48,902
the planned development.

775
00:25:48,902 --> 00:25:53,702
And you will see all of that in

776
00:25:53,706 --> 00:25:54,473
the future if you decide to

777
00:25:54,473 --> 00:25:56,473
transmit.

778
00:25:58,445 --> 00:26:00,445
Water conservation policy

779
00:26:01,581 --> 00:26:02,915
8.6.6.17 establishes a maximum

780
00:26:02,915 --> 00:26:04,915
landscape irrigation limit,

781
00:26:05,850 --> 00:26:06,253
requires florida native or

782
00:26:06,253 --> 00:26:08,253
florida-friendly landscaping,

783
00:26:08,822 --> 00:26:10,791
sets limits on fertilizer and

784
00:26:10,791 --> 00:26:11,792
provides for soil limits and

785
00:26:11,792 --> 00:26:13,293
lots and common areas.

786
00:26:13,293 --> 00:26:15,829
I'm going through this very

787
00:26:15,829 --> 00:26:17,264
broadly right now.

788
00:26:17,264 --> 00:26:18,998
Establishes irrigation water

789
00:26:18,998 --> 00:26:21,998
sources and rules and introduces

790
00:26:22,690 --> 00:26:23,737
the idea of an irrigation

791
00:26:23,737 --> 00:26:26,137
utility within the development.

792
00:26:26,773 --> 00:26:28,242
So all of these are things that

793
00:26:28,242 --> 00:26:30,410
there are some pretty solid

794
00:26:30,410 --> 00:26:30,744
language already in the plan on

795
00:26:30,744 --> 00:26:32,713
these.

796
00:26:32,713 --> 00:26:34,147
But there will be more

797
00:26:34,147 --> 00:26:34,581
implementing language at the

798
00:26:34,581 --> 00:26:36,316
planned development.

799
00:26:36,316 --> 00:26:37,417
Suffice it to say nearly all of

800
00:26:37,417 --> 00:26:39,519
these are things that we don't

801
00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:40,587
get in our normal developments

802
00:26:40,587 --> 00:26:42,289
here in alachua county.

803
00:26:42,289 --> 00:26:45,626
So even with the policy language

804
00:26:45,626 --> 00:26:47,694
that we have in the plan, we are

805
00:26:47,694 --> 00:26:49,290
sort of already a leap ahead of

806
00:26:49,290 --> 00:26:51,429
where our existing development

807
00:26:53,267 --> 00:26:55,267
patterns are today.

808
00:26:57,338 --> 00:27:00,941
And as part of the analysis, we

809
00:27:00,941 --> 00:27:01,375
did review public facilities

810
00:27:01,375 --> 00:27:02,910
availability.

811
00:27:02,910 --> 00:27:05,910
Gru has sufficient capacity in

812
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,250
both its water and wastewater

813
00:27:09,250 --> 00:27:09,550
systems to serve the

814
00:27:09,550 --> 00:27:10,784
development.

815
00:27:10,784 --> 00:27:11,651
There are likely to be

816
00:27:11,651 --> 00:27:13,287
improvements both on the site

817
00:27:13,287 --> 00:27:15,687
and potentially off-site and

818
00:27:15,823 --> 00:27:18,223
further up the distribution

819
00:27:19,293 --> 00:27:20,294
system in order to support the

820
00:27:20,294 --> 00:27:22,694
development with the capacity

821
00:27:22,730 --> 00:27:24,131
available in the plants.

822
00:27:24,131 --> 00:27:25,198
Fire rescue reviewed the

823
00:27:25,198 --> 00:27:26,534
application and has indicated

824
00:27:26,534 --> 00:27:28,936
there would be no issues

825
00:27:28,936 --> 00:27:31,936
providing services to the site

826
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:32,306
at our urban level of service

827
00:27:32,306 --> 00:27:33,407
guidelines.

828
00:27:33,407 --> 00:27:36,377
So similar to how we provide

829
00:27:36,377 --> 00:27:37,344
service within the cluster.

830
00:27:37,344 --> 00:27:38,545
And alachua county public

831
00:27:38,545 --> 00:27:40,945
schools reviewed the proposal

832
00:27:41,281 --> 00:27:44,281
and found capacity exists either

833
00:27:44,685 --> 00:27:45,986
within the current school

834
00:27:45,986 --> 00:27:47,755
concurrency service area for the

835
00:27:47,755 --> 00:27:48,389
project or an adjacent school

836
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:50,357
concurrency service area.

837
00:27:50,357 --> 00:27:52,894
I will say that analysis was

838
00:27:52,894 --> 00:27:54,962
done prior to the rezoning, that

839
00:27:54,962 --> 00:27:56,397
the district has not adopted new

840
00:27:56,397 --> 00:27:56,600
school concurrency service areas

841
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,600
yet.

842
00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:01,690
They are working on that.

843
00:28:01,690 --> 00:28:04,138
But in terms of what's available

844
00:28:04,138 --> 00:28:04,539
today in the system, it's

845
00:28:04,539 --> 00:28:06,539
available.

846
00:28:06,541 --> 00:28:10,741
It has to be available to serve

847
00:28:11,379 --> 00:28:12,347
the development.

848
00:28:12,347 --> 00:28:14,747
The planning commission heard

849
00:28:14,983 --> 00:28:16,317
this item on JULY 15th and

850
00:28:16,317 --> 00:28:17,517
they recommended the board of

851
00:28:17,517 --> 00:28:18,152
county commissioners transmit

852
00:28:18,152 --> 00:28:20,121
the item.

853
00:28:20,121 --> 00:28:22,223
I will say that they provided a

854
00:28:22,223 --> 00:28:23,910
comment and this is in the staff

855
00:28:23,910 --> 00:28:24,192
report.

856
00:28:24,192 --> 00:28:26,694
That there were concerns and

857
00:28:26,694 --> 00:28:27,995
discussion about the potential

858
00:28:27,995 --> 00:28:29,664
for transportation impacts in

859
00:28:29,664 --> 00:28:32,267
the southwest portion of the

860
00:28:32,267 --> 00:28:32,566
county related to this

861
00:28:32,566 --> 00:28:34,468
development.

862
00:28:34,468 --> 00:28:35,503
There were not any specific

863
00:28:35,503 --> 00:28:36,871
recommendations from the

864
00:28:36,871 --> 00:28:38,506
planning commission about that.

865
00:28:38,506 --> 00:28:40,410
Just a request to let you know

866
00:28:40,410 --> 00:28:41,643
that they had concerns and there

867
00:28:41,643 --> 00:28:44,430
was discussion among the

868
00:28:44,946 --> 00:28:45,280
planning commission members on

869
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,815
that.

870
00:28:46,815 --> 00:28:48,160
The board, you guys are holding

871
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,884
a public hearing tonight to

872
00:28:49,884 --> 00:28:50,850
decide whether to transmit this

873
00:28:50,850 --> 00:28:51,953
item.

874
00:28:51,953 --> 00:28:52,621
This is a large scale

875
00:28:52,621 --> 00:28:54,621
comprehensive plan amendment.

876
00:28:55,257 --> 00:28:58,293
It would be transmitted to the

877
00:28:58,293 --> 00:28:59,494
state for state review, both at

878
00:28:59,494 --> 00:29:02,330
the florida commerce which is

879
00:29:02,330 --> 00:29:04,232
the state planning agency as

880
00:29:04,232 --> 00:29:05,399
well as other state agencies

881
00:29:05,399 --> 00:29:06,468
that would have an interest in

882
00:29:06,468 --> 00:29:07,936
the application.

883
00:29:07,936 --> 00:29:08,937
If you transmit it, once

884
00:29:08,937 --> 00:29:10,338
received, florida commerce and

885
00:29:10,338 --> 00:29:12,738
those other organizations would

886
00:29:12,774 --> 00:29:14,750
have 30 days to respond and

887
00:29:14,750 --> 00:29:16,475
provide comments to us.

888
00:29:16,578 --> 00:29:19,314
And then if there are comments,

889
00:29:19,314 --> 00:29:21,717
county staff would work with the

890
00:29:21,717 --> 00:29:23,485
applicant to solve any of those

891
00:29:23,485 --> 00:29:23,918
and schedule a final adoption

892
00:29:23,918 --> 00:29:25,918
hearing.

893
00:29:26,989 --> 00:29:29,570
So that's a tbd date.

894
00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:30,492
So, MR. Chair, that is the end

895
00:29:30,492 --> 00:29:31,559
of my presentation.

896
00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:32,928
I'll just say staff recommends

897
00:29:32,928 --> 00:29:34,329
that the board of county

898
00:29:34,329 --> 00:29:36,329
commissioners find the

899
00:29:39,468 --> 00:29:41,236
application z26-000005 with

900
00:29:41,236 --> 00:29:41,736
staff's proposed policies

901
00:29:41,736 --> 00:29:42,538
consistent with the

902
00:29:42,538 --> 00:29:43,505
comprehensive plan and transmit

903
00:29:43,505 --> 00:29:44,606
the proposed comprehensive plan

904
00:29:44,606 --> 00:29:46,241
amendment to florida commerce

905
00:29:46,241 --> 00:29:47,976
and other agencies for their

906
00:29:47,976 --> 00:29:48,744
review and comments.

907
00:29:48,744 --> 00:29:49,611
>> chair: okay.

908
00:29:49,611 --> 00:29:50,278
Right on time.

909
00:29:50,278 --> 00:29:51,814
Right on time.

910
00:29:51,814 --> 00:29:53,549
I think what we're going to do

911
00:29:53,549 --> 00:29:55,117
is pause the public hearing.%

912
00:29:55,117 --> 00:29:56,619
we will open it up for public

913
00:29:56,619 --> 00:29:56,952
comment, not related to this

914
00:29:56,952 --> 00:29:58,153
item.

915
00:29:58,153 --> 00:29:59,822
And then we'll bring you back

916
00:29:59,822 --> 00:30:01,223
up, chris, we'll ask questions

917
00:30:01,223 --> 00:30:01,556
and then we'll hear from the

918
00:30:01,556 --> 00:30:02,324
applicant.

919
00:30:02,324 --> 00:30:04,324
Sound good?

920
00:30:05,494 --> 00:30:07,129
Sound good, commissioners?

921
00:30:07,129 --> 00:30:08,330
MR. Konish, welcome.

922
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:09,665
>> jim konish.

923
00:30:09,665 --> 00:30:10,633
I'd like to thank commissioner

924
00:30:10,633 --> 00:30:12,501
chestnut and wheeler for

925
00:30:12,501 --> 00:30:15,270
speaking with me on JULY 12th

926
00:30:15,270 --> 00:30:17,670
and sending county environmental

927
00:30:18,941 --> 00:30:21,777
protection out to poe springs to

928
00:30:21,777 --> 00:30:25,247
protect the public from a toxic

929
00:30:25,247 --> 00:30:27,247
dead spring.

930
00:30:32,788 --> 00:30:33,700
As you know, sunday I walked

931
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:35,700
down.

932
00:30:37,593 --> 00:30:37,893
Our spring is closed for human

933
00:30:37,893 --> 00:30:39,893
occupation.

934
00:30:42,197 --> 00:30:44,597
Your lavish six-stall pump-out

935
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:49,100
toilets are not being used.

936
00:30:49,838 --> 00:30:52,838
Poe springs flow is zero.

937
00:30:53,141 --> 00:30:54,444
It's a putrid pond.

938
00:30:54,444 --> 00:30:56,512
This incredible runout to the

939
00:30:56,512 --> 00:30:59,480
river where I have spent

940
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,583
hundreds of hours, the spring

941
00:31:00,583 --> 00:31:04,183
does not even return to the

942
00:31:05,254 --> 00:31:07,254
river, sir.

943
00:31:09,492 --> 00:31:11,194
I'd like to change the subject.

944
00:31:11,194 --> 00:31:14,794
Under the trim notices that went

945
00:31:15,131 --> 00:31:17,399
out, taxpayers need to be aware

946
00:31:17,399 --> 00:31:18,635
that stormwater and solid waste

947
00:31:18,635 --> 00:31:21,236
assessments in the city of

948
00:31:21,236 --> 00:31:22,905
gainesville have moved from gru

949
00:31:22,905 --> 00:31:25,305
bills to tax bills.

950
00:31:25,408 --> 00:31:25,608
And the notices aren't crystal

951
00:31:25,608 --> 00:31:27,608
clear.

952
00:31:28,477 --> 00:31:30,646
You have 20 days to object to

953
00:31:30,646 --> 00:31:33,460
your non-ad valorem assessments

954
00:31:33,616 --> 00:31:33,917
or to apply for a hardship

955
00:31:33,917 --> 00:31:35,917
exemption.

956
00:31:36,553 --> 00:31:37,420
The city of gainesville has a

957
00:31:37,420 --> 00:31:38,255
hardship exemption forms on

958
00:31:38,255 --> 00:31:39,289
their website.

959
00:31:39,289 --> 00:31:41,591
The county does not.

960
00:31:41,591 --> 00:31:43,126
The county is refusing to give

961
00:31:43,126 --> 00:31:45,126
me a copy.

962
00:31:45,161 --> 00:31:46,429
They say they will only give it

963
00:31:46,429 --> 00:31:48,164
to a homestead owner.

964
00:31:48,164 --> 00:31:48,331
I have done the public records

965
00:31:48,331 --> 00:31:49,599
law.

966
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:50,399
I have had a lot of problems

967
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:52,202
with public records.

968
00:31:52,202 --> 00:31:55,505
And I will sue the county to get

969
00:31:55,505 --> 00:31:56,606
whatever I need under the law.

970
00:31:56,606 --> 00:31:58,341
And there will be other things

971
00:31:58,341 --> 00:32:01,844
that I'll be suing them for,

972
00:32:01,844 --> 00:32:03,844
other violations.

973
00:32:10,487 --> 00:32:12,222
To its credit, gru looked at

974
00:32:12,222 --> 00:32:13,657
anomalous water bills and has

975
00:32:13,657 --> 00:32:13,956
discovered a lot of serious

976
00:32:13,956 --> 00:32:15,956
leaks.

977
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:20,496
And I had one in front of my

978
00:32:20,496 --> 00:32:21,732
residence.

979
00:32:21,732 --> 00:32:24,167
In the duckpond across from

980
00:32:24,167 --> 00:32:25,502
thomas center they put the water

981
00:32:25,502 --> 00:32:27,771
meter off my property.

982
00:32:27,771 --> 00:32:28,638
Someone most have drove over it,

983
00:32:28,638 --> 00:32:30,638
ups or amazon.

984
00:32:31,174 --> 00:32:33,443
They broke the connection.

985
00:32:33,443 --> 00:32:36,413
And I leaked for a year and a

986
00:32:36,413 --> 00:32:39,413
half massive amounts of water,

987
00:32:39,683 --> 00:32:40,317
billed to my house with

988
00:32:40,317 --> 00:32:42,119
wastewater fees.

989
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:44,488
And there was no visible

990
00:32:44,488 --> 00:32:47,124
evidence because a live oak tree

991
00:32:47,124 --> 00:32:48,759
drank the water as fast as it

992
00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:51,759
leaked and got really big.

993
00:32:53,897 --> 00:32:54,698
Now, this is just old

994
00:32:54,698 --> 00:32:55,666
infrastructure.

995
00:32:55,666 --> 00:32:57,634
But alachua general hospital had

996
00:32:57,634 --> 00:32:58,969
a water leak in the basement for

997
00:32:58,969 --> 00:33:00,637
the entire life of the hospital.

998
00:33:00,637 --> 00:33:01,438
It was a broken line in front of

999
00:33:01,438 --> 00:33:03,438
the water meter.

1000
00:33:03,641 --> 00:33:03,940
They thought it was a spring.

1001
00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:05,940
[Tone]

1002
00:33:06,377 --> 00:33:07,244
Citizens need to know every leak

1003
00:33:07,244 --> 00:33:09,113
is different.

1004
00:33:09,113 --> 00:33:11,480
And there's large amounts of

1005
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,490
money owed to customers.

1006
00:33:12,490 --> 00:33:12,716
>> chair: thank you, jim.

1007
00:33:12,716 --> 00:33:13,984
>> such as myself.

1008
00:33:13,984 --> 00:33:14,551
>> chair: thank you, MR. Konish.

1009
00:33:14,551 --> 00:33:16,551
>> thank you.

1010
00:33:16,587 --> 00:33:18,880
>> chair: thank you.

1011
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:18,722
Next speaker, please, public

1012
00:33:18,722 --> 00:33:19,560
comment.

1013
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,560
Anyone?

1014
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:24,950
Going once, going twice.

1015
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:25,629
Okay.

1016
00:33:25,629 --> 00:33:26,831
Come on in.

1017
00:33:26,831 --> 00:33:28,132
Oh, hey, sam.

1018
00:33:28,132 --> 00:33:30,132
That's my nephew.

1019
00:33:30,334 --> 00:33:30,635
>> and that's my uncle.

1020
00:33:30,635 --> 00:33:31,635
[Laughter]

1021
00:33:31,635 --> 00:33:32,836
It's the first time I have

1022
00:33:32,836 --> 00:33:34,805
spoken in a forum like this.

1023
00:33:34,805 --> 00:33:35,238
I understand it's three minutes,

1024
00:33:35,238 --> 00:33:35,639
right?

1025
00:33:35,639 --> 00:33:36,640
>> chair: yeah.

1026
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,475
You've got a green light and the

1027
00:33:38,475 --> 00:33:39,810
green light means go.

1028
00:33:39,810 --> 00:33:40,811
Red light means stop.

1029
00:33:40,811 --> 00:33:42,146
>> thank you all.

1030
00:33:42,146 --> 00:33:43,781
Good evening, commissioners, and

1031
00:33:43,781 --> 00:33:44,648
thank you for the work you do

1032
00:33:44,648 --> 00:33:46,820
for this county.

1033
00:33:46,820 --> 00:33:47,952
My name is sam cornell.

1034
00:33:47,952 --> 00:33:48,753
For years I reviewed the license

1035
00:33:48,753 --> 00:33:49,554
plate camera program.

1036
00:33:49,554 --> 00:33:50,555
Of course, this is something a

1037
00:33:50,555 --> 00:33:52,900
lot of counties have been

1038
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:54,392
talking about nat news.

1039
00:33:54,392 --> 00:33:55,493
I'm not here to criticize the

1040
00:33:55,493 --> 00:33:56,994
county or compliment the county.

1041
00:33:56,994 --> 00:33:59,730
What I did do three the freedom

1042
00:33:59,730 --> 00:34:00,965
of information requests, I

1043
00:34:00,965 --> 00:34:02,166
published my findings and I have

1044
00:34:02,166 --> 00:34:02,599
a document here if you are

1045
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:04,599
interested in that.

1046
00:34:04,669 --> 00:34:06,400
I have a one page printout if

1047
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,171
you are interested in brevity

1048
00:34:07,171 --> 00:34:07,338
that I can get to you at the

1049
00:34:07,338 --> 00:34:09,338
end.

1050
00:34:09,474 --> 00:34:12,310
What I found is why I'm here.

1051
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:14,780
and pardon me, I just walked in

1052
00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:14,712
the door and I was getting my

1053
00:34:14,712 --> 00:34:16,712
paperwork together.

1054
00:34:17,248 --> 00:34:18,783
As we speak, alachua county's

1055
00:34:18,783 --> 00:34:21,783
unique and expensive with flock

1056
00:34:22,153 --> 00:34:22,720
and exxon companies extend to

1057
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:24,720
1540 organizations.

1058
00:34:26,490 --> 00:34:27,525
That's not 1540 neighboring

1059
00:34:27,525 --> 00:34:29,160
police departments.

1060
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,261
Their roster includes some

1061
00:34:30,261 --> 00:34:31,796
faraway agencies I'm just going

1062
00:34:31,796 --> 00:34:33,231
to name a few.

1063
00:34:33,231 --> 00:34:35,934
We share or police information

1064
00:34:35,934 --> 00:34:37,502
captured by flock and axon

1065
00:34:37,502 --> 00:34:40,438
cameras with the tupelo regional

1066
00:34:40,438 --> 00:34:41,839
airport police, wallace state

1067
00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:42,941
community college police, the

1068
00:34:42,941 --> 00:34:44,709
missouri department of

1069
00:34:44,709 --> 00:34:45,810
conservation, national park

1070
00:34:45,810 --> 00:34:47,178
services natchez trace parkway

1071
00:34:47,178 --> 00:34:50,470
and, of course, the university

1072
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:51,583
of north texas at denton police.

1073
00:34:51,583 --> 00:34:53,118
Ask yourself why the nebraska

1074
00:34:53,118 --> 00:34:55,860
state patrol needs a photo of

1075
00:34:55,860 --> 00:34:57,550
your car, or actually 12 photos

1076
00:34:57,550 --> 00:34:57,822
of your car on newberry road

1077
00:34:57,822 --> 00:34:58,923
taken today.

1078
00:34:58,923 --> 00:35:00,792
Don't get me wrong.

1079
00:35:00,792 --> 00:35:02,327
I broadly trust the government.

1080
00:35:02,327 --> 00:35:03,495
But the data in alachua's

1081
00:35:03,495 --> 00:35:05,497
agreement can also be shared

1082
00:35:05,497 --> 00:35:07,465
with lowe's corporate, private

1083
00:35:07,465 --> 00:35:09,200
HOAs and dozens of landlords

1084
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,969
from what I found inside.

1085
00:35:10,969 --> 00:35:12,170
What are we doing, you know?

1086
00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:13,805
Think about that for a minute.

1087
00:35:13,805 --> 00:35:14,773
There are many such examples

1088
00:35:14,773 --> 00:35:16,975
showing misuse and abuse of

1089
00:35:16,975 --> 00:35:17,275
these cameras in florida and

1090
00:35:17,275 --> 00:35:19,275
nationwide.

1091
00:35:19,811 --> 00:35:21,580
That is not me alleging anything

1092
00:35:21,580 --> 00:35:21,780
against aso or its brave men and

1093
00:35:21,780 --> 00:35:23,780
women.

1094
00:35:24,182 --> 00:35:25,283
But it does underscore what

1095
00:35:25,283 --> 00:35:26,351
becomes possible when local

1096
00:35:26,351 --> 00:35:28,351
governments connect themselves

1097
00:35:28,787 --> 00:35:29,254
to a national data-sharing

1098
00:35:29,254 --> 00:35:30,755
infrastructure.

1099
00:35:30,755 --> 00:35:33,158
I'm asking that this commission

1100
00:35:33,158 --> 00:35:33,425
act locally against national

1101
00:35:33,425 --> 00:35:34,993
spillover.

1102
00:35:34,993 --> 00:35:36,940
What bothers me in this county,

1103
00:35:36,940 --> 00:35:38,830
if you want a left turning lane

1104
00:35:38,830 --> 00:35:40,699
or if you want a fire station or

1105
00:35:40,699 --> 00:35:42,134
you want street party, you have

1106
00:35:42,134 --> 00:35:42,334
to have public speech about

1107
00:35:42,334 --> 00:35:43,235
that.

1108
00:35:43,235 --> 00:35:44,736
You have to have debate about

1109
00:35:44,736 --> 00:35:45,537
that and open forum and the

1110
00:35:45,537 --> 00:35:46,705
public speaks first.

1111
00:35:46,705 --> 00:35:48,474
That's how it works here.

1112
00:35:48,474 --> 00:35:49,875
A system that photographs all of

1113
00:35:49,875 --> 00:35:52,611
us every day and ships that data

1114
00:35:52,611 --> 00:35:54,913
across the country, that arrived

1115
00:35:54,913 --> 00:35:55,247
with no hearing, no comment, no

1116
00:35:55,247 --> 00:35:56,548
vote.

1117
00:35:56,548 --> 00:35:56,882
At least not one that I could

1118
00:35:56,882 --> 00:35:57,882
find.

1119
00:35:57,882 --> 00:35:59,284
And that's okay, I don't expect

1120
00:35:59,284 --> 00:36:00,485
you to know every dollar the

1121
00:36:00,485 --> 00:36:02,788
sheriff is spending money on.

1122
00:36:02,788 --> 00:36:03,688
I also don't expect anything to

1123
00:36:03,688 --> 00:36:04,223
necessarily be done about this

1124
00:36:04,223 --> 00:36:05,857
right away.

1125
00:36:05,857 --> 00:36:06,225
But I want to call it into

1126
00:36:06,225 --> 00:36:06,825
attention.

1127
00:36:06,825 --> 00:36:08,260
This isn't free.

1128
00:36:08,260 --> 00:36:10,229
The newest contract we just

1129
00:36:10,229 --> 00:36:12,765
signed with axon for 10 years

1130
00:36:12,765 --> 00:36:14,400
from now is $935,000.

1131
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,367
Tha's real money, that's a

1132
00:36:15,367 --> 00:36:16,902
deputy or two.

1133
00:36:16,902 --> 00:36:19,204
That's filling overtime gaps.

1134
00:36:19,204 --> 00:36:20,939
That's retention bonuses.

1135
00:36:20,939 --> 00:36:21,941
I'd rather fund officers than

1136
00:36:21,941 --> 00:36:23,241
this camera technology.

1137
00:36:23,241 --> 00:36:24,900
Here's my ask and I'll wrap it

1138
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:25,311
up here.

1139
00:36:25,311 --> 00:36:27,613
I'm asking alachua county

1140
00:36:27,613 --> 00:36:29,815
considers changing the 30-day

1141
00:36:29,815 --> 00:36:31,170
data retention that these

1142
00:36:31,170 --> 00:36:32,451
cameras collect to 7 days.

1143
00:36:32,451 --> 00:36:34,520
Often it's cited if a person

1144
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,388
goes missing or a car gets

1145
00:36:35,388 --> 00:36:36,389
stolen we can use these cameras

1146
00:36:36,389 --> 00:36:36,589
to find them.

1147
00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:38,123
[Tone]

1148
00:36:38,123 --> 00:36:39,858
That's a great thing.

1149
00:36:39,858 --> 00:36:40,860
I don't call in my car being

1150
00:36:40,860 --> 00:36:41,127
stolen 30 days after it

1151
00:36:41,127 --> 00:36:42,595
happened.

1152
00:36:42,595 --> 00:36:43,796
I have other asks but I'm happy

1153
00:36:43,796 --> 00:36:44,300
to share with you at another

1154
00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:45,564
time.

1155
00:36:45,564 --> 00:36:47,233
The paper that I published or

1156
00:36:47,233 --> 00:36:48,734
the one-page printout.

1157
00:36:48,734 --> 00:36:51,134
>> you can leave it.

1158
00:36:51,136 --> 00:36:51,904
>> chair: sam, if clerk, we'll get

1159
00:36:51,904 --> 00:36:52,972
copies of those.

1160
00:36:52,972 --> 00:36:54,207
Isn't he great?

1161
00:36:54,207 --> 00:36:55,740
>> he is great.

1162
00:36:55,740 --> 00:36:56,943
>> well, look, you know, I was

1163
00:36:56,943 --> 00:36:58,344
trying to warm up here but I

1164
00:36:58,344 --> 00:37:01,344
just walked in the door.

1165
00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:05,484
>> chair: that's my new port newark.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K. Time.

1166
00:37:05,484 --> 00:37:07,220
He didn't tell me he was coming

1167
00:37:07,220 --> 00:37:08,520
either which is even greater.

1168
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,723
That's what I love about it.

1169
00:37:10,723 --> 00:37:11,323
>> he looks good in a coat and

1170
00:37:11,323 --> 00:37:12,580
tie, too.

1171
00:37:12,580 --> 00:37:13,293
>> chair: I know.

1172
00:37:13,293 --> 00:37:14,193
He wears a tie and I don't.

1173
00:37:14,193 --> 00:37:15,428
Look at this guy.

1174
00:37:15,428 --> 00:37:16,229
We're going to go ahead and

1175
00:37:16,229 --> 00:37:17,730
close public comment.

1176
00:37:17,730 --> 00:37:17,964
Did you have a comment to public

1177
00:37:17,964 --> 00:37:18,464
comment?

1178
00:37:18,464 --> 00:37:19,132
>> I did.

1179
00:37:19,132 --> 00:37:19,999
>> chair: commissioner prizzia.

1180
00:37:19,999 --> 00:37:20,699
>> I guess I have a question

1181
00:37:20,699 --> 00:37:22,699
regarding this.

1182
00:37:22,869 --> 00:37:25,380
I'm not sure if he's speaking

1183
00:37:25,380 --> 00:37:25,872
specifically about security

1184
00:37:25,872 --> 00:37:28,272
cameras hat the sheriff's

1185
00:37:28,541 --> 00:37:29,542
office is deploying that are

1186
00:37:29,542 --> 00:37:32,542
separate from the cameras that

1187
00:37:32,945 --> 00:37:34,347
we did vote on regarding school

1188
00:37:34,347 --> 00:37:35,982
zone enforcement.

1189
00:37:35,982 --> 00:37:38,510
But during that conversation

1190
00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:39,819
that we did deliberate about, we

1191
00:37:39,819 --> 00:37:40,919
were very clear -- or I was very

1192
00:37:40,919 --> 00:37:42,755
clear and it was part of the

1193
00:37:42,755 --> 00:37:44,391
motion that we retain that data

1194
00:37:44,391 --> 00:37:46,593
and control over that data and

1195
00:37:46,593 --> 00:37:48,128
that we not share it or sell it

1196
00:37:48,128 --> 00:37:49,950
to anybody outside of the

1197
00:37:49,950 --> 00:37:50,963
county.

1198
00:37:50,963 --> 00:37:53,366
So if those cameras are included

1199
00:37:53,366 --> 00:37:55,100
in what he's reporting to us, I

1200
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:57,401
would like information back.

1201
00:37:58,337 --> 00:38:01,341
and I would like to know, you

1202
00:38:01,341 --> 00:38:02,342
know, what is the extent of

1203
00:38:02,342 --> 00:38:04,770
those contracts.

1204
00:38:04,770 --> 00:38:04,844
>> chair: you want to ask him?

1205
00:38:04,844 --> 00:38:06,790
>> do you know?

1206
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:07,214
I'm looking at our staff because

1207
00:38:07,214 --> 00:38:08,248
they helped draft that contract.

1208
00:38:08,248 --> 00:38:09,583
>> no worries.

1209
00:38:09,583 --> 00:38:11,551
Those are different cameras.

1210
00:38:11,551 --> 00:38:11,952
And they are doing speed zone

1211
00:38:11,952 --> 00:38:13,487
enforcement only.

1212
00:38:13,487 --> 00:38:14,540
They are not retaining license

1213
00:38:14,540 --> 00:38:15,550
plate data.

1214
00:38:15,550 --> 00:38:15,688
And they have a different scope

1215
00:38:15,688 --> 00:38:17,123
of agreement.

1216
00:38:17,123 --> 00:38:20,600
The companies that I'm referring

1217
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:20,326
to are flock and axon.

1218
00:38:20,326 --> 00:38:22,290
>> yeah.

1219
00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:24,131
And I didn't know what -- I have

1220
00:38:24,131 --> 00:38:26,466
the same concerns that you have

1221
00:38:26,466 --> 00:38:29,466
about rights to privacy, access

1222
00:38:30,337 --> 00:38:31,438
to our data and had expressed

1223
00:38:31,438 --> 00:38:33,840
that during those meetings and

1224
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,143
sort of like tried to rein in

1225
00:38:36,143 --> 00:38:37,344
what was possible so we could

1226
00:38:37,344 --> 00:38:39,744
still enforce school zones

1227
00:38:39,947 --> 00:38:42,347
efficiently but also protect

1228
00:38:43,584 --> 00:38:43,817
people's rights and safety and

1229
00:38:43,817 --> 00:38:45,119
privacy.

1230
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:46,754
But now you've got me concerned.

1231
00:38:46,754 --> 00:38:47,421
So thank you for bringing this

1232
00:38:47,421 --> 00:38:48,389
to my attention.

1233
00:38:48,389 --> 00:38:49,356
I will certainly read your

1234
00:38:49,356 --> 00:38:52,559
report and I would be interested

1235
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:53,427
to understand if any of those

1236
00:38:53,427 --> 00:38:55,827
contracts are county contracts

1237
00:38:56,430 --> 00:38:57,264
or if they are only sheriff's

1238
00:38:57,264 --> 00:38:57,898
office contracts.

1239
00:38:57,898 --> 00:38:58,799
>> chair: sam, do you know the

1240
00:38:58,799 --> 00:38:59,900
answer to that?

1241
00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:03,500
>> the last thing I'll say to

1242
00:39:03,837 --> 00:39:08,370
that because I do -- that is

1243
00:39:08,841 --> 00:39:09,610
part of a project with lawton

1244
00:39:09,610 --> 00:39:11,610
chiles on 24th.

1245
00:39:11,812 --> 00:39:13,781
It would be a subsidiary

1246
00:39:13,781 --> 00:39:14,648
agreement because they are their

1247
00:39:14,648 --> 00:39:16,516
own thing.

1248
00:39:16,516 --> 00:39:19,353
>> chair: and flock and axon get

1249
00:39:19,353 --> 00:39:22,353
access to the right-of-way how?

1250
00:39:22,857 --> 00:39:24,258
>> alachua county has 250 50

1251
00:39:24,258 --> 00:39:24,592
installed right now and 40 are

1252
00:39:24,592 --> 00:39:26,592
coming.

1253
00:39:29,230 --> 00:39:29,930
I'm not asking that we remove

1254
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:31,930
but oversight.

1255
00:39:32,266 --> 00:39:34,666
There are 50 scattered about

1256
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:36,202
alachua county primarily on

1257
00:39:36,202 --> 00:39:38,720
state and county roads and the

1258
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,472
data is interchangeably shared.

1259
00:39:40,908 --> 00:39:43,643
>> chair: I had someone contact

1260
00:39:43,643 --> 00:39:47,243
me, one right outside of haile

1261
00:39:48,248 --> 00:39:48,482
plantation outside of lawton

1262
00:39:48,482 --> 00:39:49,883
chiles.

1263
00:39:49,883 --> 00:39:50,618
>> that actually is a school

1264
00:39:50,618 --> 00:39:51,852
zone camera.

1265
00:39:51,852 --> 00:39:53,287
There's not a flock camera on

1266
00:39:53,287 --> 00:39:54,355
that road oddly enough.

1267
00:39:54,355 --> 00:39:56,858
>> chair: we'll read the report.

1268
00:39:56,858 --> 00:39:58,726
>> no worries.

1269
00:39:58,726 --> 00:40:00,270
>> I would ask our staff let us

1270
00:40:00,270 --> 00:40:00,928
give that report also to the

1271
00:40:00,928 --> 00:40:02,330
sheriff's office and ask if they

1272
00:40:02,330 --> 00:40:04,980
could give us a report back

1273
00:40:04,980 --> 00:40:06,267
about what the data sharing is

1274
00:40:06,267 --> 00:40:06,566
in their contracts and

1275
00:40:06,566 --> 00:40:08,350
agreements.

1276
00:40:08,350 --> 00:40:09,570
And, you know, that there is a

1277
00:40:09,570 --> 00:40:10,671
concern at least for me, if you

1278
00:40:10,671 --> 00:40:12,406
guys are okay with that, there's

1279
00:40:12,406 --> 00:40:13,808
a concern from this board about

1280
00:40:13,808 --> 00:40:15,910
how our data in alachua county

1281
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:16,811
is being shared outside the

1282
00:40:16,811 --> 00:40:17,545
confines of public safety within

1283
00:40:17,545 --> 00:40:18,980
our county.

1284
00:40:18,980 --> 00:40:20,281
And if that is the case, we'd

1285
00:40:20,281 --> 00:40:21,149
like to have a conversation.

1286
00:40:21,149 --> 00:40:21,916
>> well, there is from the

1287
00:40:21,916 --> 00:40:23,451
community, too.

1288
00:40:23,451 --> 00:40:24,152
We're getting emails from folks.

1289
00:40:24,152 --> 00:40:24,986
>> chair: does anybody object to

1290
00:40:24,986 --> 00:40:25,787
that request?

1291
00:40:25,787 --> 00:40:26,200
>> no.

1292
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:26,487
>> no.

1293
00:40:26,487 --> 00:40:28,890
>> chair: thank you.

1294
00:40:28,890 --> 00:40:29,357
So missy, did you have anything

1295
00:40:29,357 --> 00:40:30,892
to comment on that or you'll get

1296
00:40:30,892 --> 00:40:32,892
back to us?

1297
00:40:33,940 --> 00:40:33,327
>> no, I can send out a request

1298
00:40:33,327 --> 00:40:34,462
tonight.

1299
00:40:34,462 --> 00:40:35,196
>> chair: all right.

1300
00:40:35,196 --> 00:40:35,997
>> thank you.

1301
00:40:35,997 --> 00:40:38,397
>> I feel very heard.

1302
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:39,901
>> chair: thank you, sam.

1303
00:40:39,901 --> 00:40:40,902
Isn't he great?

1304
00:40:40,902 --> 00:40:42,871
Behalf laugh I think I've

1305
00:40:42,871 --> 00:40:43,104
already said that a couple of

1306
00:40:43,104 --> 00:40:45,104
times.

1307
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:46,741
That's my brother's son.

1308
00:40:46,741 --> 00:40:49,141
That's my new port

1309
00:40:49,443 --> 00:40:51,790
nephew.

1310
00:40:51,790 --> 00:40:51,813
>> who is that, ken?

1311
00:40:51,813 --> 00:40:53,281
>> chair: that's sam.

1312
00:40:53,281 --> 00:40:53,548
My mom had two sons.

1313
00:40:53,548 --> 00:40:54,916
[Laughter]

1314
00:40:54,916 --> 00:40:56,584
I had two sons.

1315
00:40:56,584 --> 00:40:57,218
My brother had two sons, that's

1316
00:40:57,218 --> 00:40:59,218
one of them.

1317
00:40:59,487 --> 00:41:00,155
And then both my sons had sons.

1318
00:41:00,155 --> 00:41:01,156
>> all right.

1319
00:41:01,156 --> 00:41:01,656
>> chair: that's kind of a

1320
00:41:01,656 --> 00:41:02,230
thing.

1321
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:02,924
Yeah, okay.

1322
00:41:02,924 --> 00:41:04,920
We're going to close public

1323
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:04,993
comment and stop talking about

1324
00:41:04,993 --> 00:41:07,393
ken and his family.

1325
00:41:08,596 --> 00:41:12,534
And we're going to go back to

1326
00:41:12,534 --> 00:41:13,769
MR. Dawson, your presentation

1327
00:41:13,769 --> 00:41:16,171
before we hear from the

1328
00:41:16,171 --> 00:41:18,171
applicant, any commissioners

1329
00:41:19,675 --> 00:41:19,975
that have questions for

1330
00:41:19,975 --> 00:41:21,242
MR. Dawson.

1331
00:41:21,242 --> 00:41:22,411
We have commissioner prizzia.

1332
00:41:22,411 --> 00:41:24,379
>> I would point out we have

1333
00:41:24,379 --> 00:41:25,800
lots of staff here from our

1334
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:26,348
other review departments and

1335
00:41:26,348 --> 00:41:26,982
they can also answer some of

1336
00:41:26,982 --> 00:41:27,882
those questions.

1337
00:41:27,882 --> 00:41:29,184
>> chair: so you are ready to

1338
00:41:29,184 --> 00:41:30,919
pass that microphone.

1339
00:41:30,919 --> 00:41:31,886
>> I MAY pass that buck if

1340
00:41:31,886 --> 00:41:32,855
needed, MR. Chair.

1341
00:41:32,855 --> 00:41:34,756
>> chair: they are over there

1342
00:41:34,756 --> 00:41:34,990
laughing thinking you can

1343
00:41:34,990 --> 00:41:35,257
handle.

1344
00:41:35,257 --> 00:41:36,492
Go ahead.

1345
00:41:36,492 --> 00:41:36,658
Commissioner prizzia, start us

1346
00:41:36,658 --> 00:41:38,658
off.

1347
00:41:38,694 --> 00:41:40,562
>> I have a whole like, you

1348
00:41:40,562 --> 00:41:41,396
know, marked up document here,

1349
00:41:41,396 --> 00:41:43,396
lots of questions.

1350
00:41:43,399 --> 00:41:45,401
I tried to summarize them in a

1351
00:41:45,401 --> 00:41:46,801
sheet for myself.

1352
00:41:46,801 --> 00:41:47,135
Would you mind pulling up the

1353
00:41:47,135 --> 00:41:49,135
presentation?

1354
00:41:49,972 --> 00:41:51,707
And maybe I'll try to go in the

1355
00:41:51,707 --> 00:41:52,675
order that you brought them up.

1356
00:41:52,675 --> 00:41:54,343
>> sure.

1357
00:41:54,343 --> 00:41:55,544
>> and then, you know, I guess I

1358
00:41:55,544 --> 00:41:57,279
don't know if you want me to

1359
00:41:57,279 --> 00:41:57,513
just do a couple and then

1360
00:41:57,513 --> 00:41:59,315
pass --

1361
00:41:59,315 --> 00:42:00,783
>> chair: no, no.

1362
00:42:00,783 --> 00:42:02,751
Go ahead.

1363
00:42:02,751 --> 00:42:03,618
He might answer a lot of ours.

1364
00:42:03,618 --> 00:42:05,618
>> here we go.

1365
00:42:05,721 --> 00:42:08,224
I guess first and foremost, I

1366
00:42:08,224 --> 00:42:10,726
want to understand, are all

1367
00:42:10,726 --> 00:42:13,126
strategic ecosystem areas within

1368
00:42:14,562 --> 00:42:16,765
the strategic area study being

1369
00:42:16,765 --> 00:42:17,966
protected with the current

1370
00:42:17,966 --> 00:42:19,100
strategic area plan?

1371
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:22,601
>> MR. Chair, I'm going to ask

1372
00:42:23,872 --> 00:42:24,206
one of our epd folks, steve

1373
00:42:24,206 --> 00:42:25,740
hofstetter.

1374
00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:26,142
>> chair: you're already kicking

1375
00:42:26,142 --> 00:42:26,575
it off.

1376
00:42:26,575 --> 00:42:26,809
Hey, steve.

1377
00:42:26,809 --> 00:42:28,809
Welcome.

1378
00:42:33,148 --> 00:42:33,682
>> good evening, steve

1379
00:42:33,682 --> 00:42:34,150
hofstetter, environmental

1380
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:36,150
protection department.

1381
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:37,419
All the areas identified through

1382
00:42:37,419 --> 00:42:38,721
the special area study isn't

1383
00:42:38,721 --> 00:42:39,210
being protected through this

1384
00:42:39,210 --> 00:42:41,210
application.

1385
00:42:41,991 --> 00:42:43,991
Is that accurate?

1386
00:42:44,930 --> 00:42:45,927
To kind of split it up into two

1387
00:42:45,927 --> 00:42:47,696
parts, every part that was

1388
00:42:47,696 --> 00:42:49,980
identified within their project

1389
00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:49,865
area for protection is being

1390
00:42:49,865 --> 00:42:51,634
protected.

1391
00:42:51,634 --> 00:42:54,704
So the areas within the lands

1392
00:42:54,704 --> 00:42:56,639
that they own in the 996 acres

1393
00:42:56,639 --> 00:42:59,639
is being protected as identified

1394
00:43:00,143 --> 00:43:02,143
in the plan.

1395
00:43:02,545 --> 00:43:04,113
The plan study recognized lands

1396
00:43:04,113 --> 00:43:05,715
on the east side of the road

1397
00:43:05,715 --> 00:43:08,170
that are currently, you know,

1398
00:43:08,170 --> 00:43:09,452
owned by the state that also

1399
00:43:09,452 --> 00:43:11,452
required protection.

1400
00:43:12,287 --> 00:43:15,287
That aspect is separated from

1401
00:43:16,793 --> 00:43:17,660
this project area and this

1402
00:43:17,660 --> 00:43:19,629
applicant is not involved in the

1403
00:43:19,629 --> 00:43:22,290
protection of that area.

1404
00:43:22,465 --> 00:43:24,434
That's maybe the first step of

1405
00:43:24,434 --> 00:43:24,868
answering your question.

1406
00:43:24,868 --> 00:43:26,736
>> okay.

1407
00:43:26,736 --> 00:43:27,504
Well, I guess I'll speak to my

1408
00:43:27,504 --> 00:43:29,339
colleagues and the applicant in

1409
00:43:29,339 --> 00:43:30,673
that regard.

1410
00:43:30,673 --> 00:43:34,273
So, you know, when we started

1411
00:43:35,378 --> 00:43:36,212
down this pathway -- and this is

1412
00:43:36,212 --> 00:43:37,881
a long time ago.

1413
00:43:37,881 --> 00:43:40,182
This is before the applicant was

1414
00:43:40,182 --> 00:43:41,384
even the applicant, right.

1415
00:43:41,384 --> 00:43:43,786
The conversation about this area

1416
00:43:43,786 --> 00:43:44,870
was about the entire

1417
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:45,888
4,000 acres.

1418
00:43:45,888 --> 00:43:47,190
At that time, it was about 4,000 acres.

1419
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:49,526
It was under single ownership by

1420
00:43:49,526 --> 00:43:52,950
the lee family and their subsidy

1421
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:52,362
companies that they had

1422
00:43:52,362 --> 00:43:53,530
developed.

1423
00:43:53,530 --> 00:43:56,320
And the plan was that they were

1424
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:57,366
going to do the strategic area

1425
00:43:57,366 --> 00:43:57,667
study because it was their

1426
00:43:57,667 --> 00:43:59,102
property.

1427
00:43:59,102 --> 00:43:59,970
Sometimes the county will

1428
00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:02,272
undertake a strategic area study

1429
00:44:02,272 --> 00:44:03,373
and talk to all the landowners

1430
00:44:03,373 --> 00:44:05,108
and get consensus around what

1431
00:44:05,108 --> 00:44:05,375
we're going to do with that

1432
00:44:05,375 --> 00:44:07,375
property.

1433
00:44:07,411 --> 00:44:08,745
It was a single landowner so it

1434
00:44:08,745 --> 00:44:10,480
made sense for them to undertake

1435
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,815
the strategic area study because

1436
00:44:11,815 --> 00:44:13,650
they wanted to do it now because

1437
00:44:13,650 --> 00:44:14,618
they wanted to get moving with

1438
00:44:14,618 --> 00:44:16,186
some projects, right.

1439
00:44:16,186 --> 00:44:18,355
So they did that.

1440
00:44:18,355 --> 00:44:20,991
And when that work and that

1441
00:44:20,991 --> 00:44:22,525
world, they said, okay, we

1442
00:44:22,525 --> 00:44:24,270
recognize that we would like to

1443
00:44:24,270 --> 00:44:25,280
donate this piece of property to

1444
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,970
U.F. For their golf course.

1445
00:44:27,970 --> 00:44:27,563
We would like to retain our

1446
00:44:27,563 --> 00:44:29,500
homestead.

1447
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:29,733
And we would like to develop the

1448
00:44:29,733 --> 00:44:31,733
rest.

1449
00:44:32,235 --> 00:44:34,438
And we were like, whoa, what?

1450
00:44:34,438 --> 00:44:35,305
Like that's a huge amount of

1451
00:44:35,305 --> 00:44:36,730
development outside of the urban

1452
00:44:36,730 --> 00:44:38,730
cluster.

1453
00:44:39,476 --> 00:44:40,144
That would be disastrous for the

1454
00:44:40,144 --> 00:44:41,745
water quality.

1455
00:44:41,745 --> 00:44:42,790
Can we have a conversation about

1456
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:43,614
that?

1457
00:44:43,614 --> 00:44:44,948
The conversation went, long

1458
00:44:44,948 --> 00:44:46,250
story short, at the end of the

1459
00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:48,318
day, the conversation landed on

1460
00:44:48,318 --> 00:44:50,860
the fact that if they protected

1461
00:44:50,860 --> 00:44:53,686
the 2,000 acres on the west side

1462
00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:56,961
of parker road, that we would be -- and in particular the

1463
00:44:56,961 --> 00:44:58,961
conservation management areas

1464
00:44:59,496 --> 00:45:00,898
across that entire 4,000 acres,

1465
00:45:00,898 --> 00:45:02,433
that we would be interested and

1466
00:45:02,433 --> 00:45:04,401
willing to entertain the

1467
00:45:04,401 --> 00:45:04,735
development of the remaining

1468
00:45:04,735 --> 00:45:06,369
acreage.

1469
00:45:06,369 --> 00:45:09,500
And that was the deal.

1470
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:10,407
And we also agreed that phase 1

1471
00:45:10,407 --> 00:45:11,742
would be the golf course because

1472
00:45:11,742 --> 00:45:12,843
they wanted to get that golf

1473
00:45:12,843 --> 00:45:15,243
course moving quickly because

1474
00:45:15,445 --> 00:45:16,647
U.F. Had some urgency around

1475
00:45:16,647 --> 00:45:18,647
that property.

1476
00:45:18,949 --> 00:45:19,517
And so we did our part and we

1477
00:45:19,517 --> 00:45:21,152
said okay.

1478
00:45:21,152 --> 00:45:22,253
And we gave U.F. The right to

1479
00:45:22,253 --> 00:45:24,322
move forward with our golf

1480
00:45:24,322 --> 00:45:24,555
course quickly, like they

1481
00:45:24,555 --> 00:45:26,555
wanted.

1482
00:45:27,258 --> 00:45:29,594
And now we're here with part 2.

1483
00:45:29,594 --> 00:45:32,594
And from my perspective, part 2

1484
00:45:33,264 --> 00:45:36,864
is protecting all of the CMAs

1485
00:45:36,901 --> 00:45:37,767
in that area and, therefore,

1486
00:45:37,767 --> 00:45:39,636
getting the development rights

1487
00:45:39,636 --> 00:45:41,172
and entitlements to be able to

1488
00:45:41,172 --> 00:45:43,775
develop in a huge way beyond

1489
00:45:43,775 --> 00:45:44,800
what the original entitlements

1490
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,800
are.

1491
00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:48,379
So I understand that property

1492
00:45:48,379 --> 00:45:49,814
isn't under the ownership of the

1493
00:45:49,814 --> 00:45:51,816
current owners any more, right?

1494
00:45:51,816 --> 00:45:52,516
They sold it to the university

1495
00:45:52,516 --> 00:45:54,516
of florida.

1496
00:45:55,153 --> 00:45:56,788
And I understand that they can't

1497
00:45:56,788 --> 00:45:58,788
necessarily control the

1498
00:46:00,658 --> 00:46:01,259
decisions of the university of

1499
00:46:01,259 --> 00:46:02,660
florida.

1500
00:46:02,660 --> 00:46:04,395
However, they clearly have a

1501
00:46:04,395 --> 00:46:05,290
tied relationship to the

1502
00:46:05,290 --> 00:46:06,630
university of florida.

1503
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:06,297
They are donating them the golf

1504
00:46:06,297 --> 00:46:08,297
course.

1505
00:46:08,332 --> 00:46:09,867
They are in conversations about

1506
00:46:09,867 --> 00:46:10,768
how trails might connect in

1507
00:46:10,768 --> 00:46:12,768
their development.

1508
00:46:12,837 --> 00:46:14,339
And so, you know, for me to be

1509
00:46:14,339 --> 00:46:17,339
able to feel comfortable moving

1510
00:46:20,311 --> 00:46:21,613
forward with this, I really need

1511
00:46:21,613 --> 00:46:22,380
to see some sort of

1512
00:46:22,380 --> 00:46:23,715
documentation what the

1513
00:46:23,715 --> 00:46:24,682
protections are for that cma

1514
00:46:24,682 --> 00:46:24,949
area on the west side of the

1515
00:46:24,949 --> 00:46:26,949
property.

1516
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:28,620
I know that ifas is working on

1517
00:46:28,620 --> 00:46:29,320
management plans for that area.

1518
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:29,921
>> chair: I don't think they are

1519
00:46:29,921 --> 00:46:30,922
here tonight.

1520
00:46:30,922 --> 00:46:31,689
>> well, I know they are not

1521
00:46:31,689 --> 00:46:32,890
here tonight.

1522
00:46:32,890 --> 00:46:34,192
I'm telling them before final

1523
00:46:34,192 --> 00:46:35,860
development plan, before this

1524
00:46:35,860 --> 00:46:37,228
thing gets any kind of stamp of

1525
00:46:37,228 --> 00:46:39,364
approval to move forward on it

1526
00:46:39,364 --> 00:46:40,765
in a serious way with digging

1527
00:46:40,765 --> 00:46:44,365
that first shovel of dirt, I

1528
00:46:44,903 --> 00:46:47,438
need to see written evidence

1529
00:46:47,438 --> 00:46:49,174
that there is protections and a

1530
00:46:49,174 --> 00:46:50,709
restoration and management plan

1531
00:46:50,709 --> 00:46:53,709
for that western side cma.

1532
00:46:56,515 --> 00:46:56,719
Because this is -- that was the

1533
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,719
deal.

1534
00:47:00,352 --> 00:47:00,685
That was the deal that we all

1535
00:47:00,685 --> 00:47:02,685
struck.

1536
00:47:02,788 --> 00:47:03,955
We've got a lot of sensitive

1537
00:47:03,955 --> 00:47:05,230
areas that need protection and

1538
00:47:05,230 --> 00:47:08,623
those need to be protected in

1539
00:47:10,128 --> 00:47:11,897
order for them to develop.

1540
00:47:11,897 --> 00:47:13,965
And now it's-like at the last

1541
00:47:13,965 --> 00:47:15,834
minute because the state saw

1542
00:47:15,834 --> 00:47:16,935
what they wanted the golf course

1543
00:47:16,935 --> 00:47:18,337
path, they struck a deal and

1544
00:47:18,337 --> 00:47:20,671
sold that property to U.F.

1545
00:47:20,671 --> 00:47:22,708
Instead of doing the longer,

1546
00:47:22,708 --> 00:47:24,309
harder process of a conservation

1547
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:24,943
easement with like rural and

1548
00:47:24,943 --> 00:47:25,944
family lands which was the

1549
00:47:25,944 --> 00:47:27,345
original plan.

1550
00:47:27,345 --> 00:47:28,881
And I don't fault them for that

1551
00:47:28,881 --> 00:47:30,648
and I don't blame them for that.

1552
00:47:30,648 --> 00:47:32,284
But I also --

1553
00:47:32,284 --> 00:47:34,119
>> chair: that's part of this

1554
00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:35,120
application.

1555
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,421
>> well, then I'm not really

1556
00:47:36,421 --> 00:47:37,688
interested in this application.

1557
00:47:37,688 --> 00:47:39,925
I mean did we

1558
00:47:39,925 --> 00:47:40,125
we have to protect those

1559
00:47:40,125 --> 00:47:41,260
areas.

1560
00:47:41,260 --> 00:47:42,761
That was the deal.

1561
00:47:42,761 --> 00:47:43,762
And I think that they can.

1562
00:47:43,762 --> 00:47:44,963
There are management plans.

1563
00:47:44,963 --> 00:47:45,930
There's a contract that they

1564
00:47:45,930 --> 00:47:48,333
have with the owners for the

1565
00:47:48,333 --> 00:47:49,668
sale of that property and what

1566
00:47:49,668 --> 00:47:51,203
they are and aren't allowed to

1567
00:47:51,203 --> 00:47:52,204
do on that property that they

1568
00:47:52,204 --> 00:47:53,705
could provide to us.

1569
00:47:53,705 --> 00:47:54,873
U.F. Is planning a restoration

1570
00:47:54,873 --> 00:47:55,674
plan for that property.

1571
00:47:55,674 --> 00:47:56,609
They are planning a management

1572
00:47:56,609 --> 00:47:59,900
plan for that property.

1573
00:48:01,413 --> 00:48:03,382
They are talking about it being

1574
00:48:03,382 --> 00:48:03,749
like austin cary or broadway

1575
00:48:03,749 --> 00:48:05,584
swisher.

1576
00:48:05,584 --> 00:48:06,685
I want to see them written and

1577
00:48:06,685 --> 00:48:07,553
documented and I think our

1578
00:48:07,553 --> 00:48:08,621
community deserve that.

1579
00:48:08,621 --> 00:48:10,822
They deserve the right to have

1580
00:48:10,822 --> 00:48:13,822
that information in writing what

1581
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:15,427
U.F. Is going to do with that

1582
00:48:15,427 --> 00:48:16,395
conservation land on the western

1583
00:48:16,395 --> 00:48:17,730
side of the property.

1584
00:48:17,730 --> 00:48:18,930
I understand it's not a subject

1585
00:48:18,930 --> 00:48:20,433
of this specific application but

1586
00:48:20,433 --> 00:48:20,833
it's part of the strategic area

1587
00:48:20,833 --> 00:48:22,833
study.

1588
00:48:22,868 --> 00:48:24,403
In order for the strategic area

1589
00:48:24,403 --> 00:48:25,805
study to implement a strategic

1590
00:48:25,805 --> 00:48:27,500
area plan, I don't think we can

1591
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:29,108
move forward until we have that

1592
00:48:29,108 --> 00:48:30,750
with an actual development,

1593
00:48:30,750 --> 00:48:30,977
until we have that information.

1594
00:48:30,977 --> 00:48:32,440
That's my 2 cents.

1595
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,312
I don't know how my other

1596
00:48:33,312 --> 00:48:34,246
colleagues feel about it.

1597
00:48:34,246 --> 00:48:35,381
>> chair: I feel differently but

1598
00:48:35,381 --> 00:48:37,416
we'll get to it.

1599
00:48:37,416 --> 00:48:39,416
>> I do too.

1600
00:48:39,618 --> 00:48:41,254
>> I will -- my questions then

1601
00:48:41,254 --> 00:48:42,355
are if that's not being

1602
00:48:42,355 --> 00:48:44,890
protected, like what can the

1603
00:48:44,890 --> 00:48:45,725
applicant provide us around that

1604
00:48:45,725 --> 00:48:48,261
with regards to what ifas is

1605
00:48:48,261 --> 00:48:48,594
doing with their protections or

1606
00:48:48,594 --> 00:48:50,229
conservation?

1607
00:48:50,229 --> 00:48:52,632
I have reached out to ifas and

1608
00:48:52,632 --> 00:48:54,966
asked them to do a walking tour

1609
00:48:54,966 --> 00:48:56,102
of the property and talk to them

1610
00:48:56,102 --> 00:48:57,569
about the management plans so I

1611
00:48:57,569 --> 00:48:58,104
could get some comfort myself

1612
00:48:58,104 --> 00:48:59,672
with it.

1613
00:48:59,672 --> 00:49:00,540
I think for the public, they

1614
00:49:00,540 --> 00:49:01,730
should also have that

1615
00:49:01,730 --> 00:49:02,275
information.

1616
00:49:02,275 --> 00:49:05,875
It shouldn't just be something I

1617
00:49:06,445 --> 00:49:06,712
know because I walked the

1618
00:49:06,712 --> 00:49:08,712
property.

1619
00:49:08,848 --> 00:49:11,248
Question, the 260 acres that's

1620
00:49:13,885 --> 00:49:16,189
referenced in policy 3.1.5 for

1621
00:49:16,189 --> 00:49:19,250
the farmstead area, it says --

1622
00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:19,259
it's on page 10 of the staff

1623
00:49:19,259 --> 00:49:21,259
report.

1624
00:49:24,764 --> 00:49:26,566
And it says the extension of

1625
00:49:26,566 --> 00:49:29,566
potable water and wastewater are

1626
00:49:31,538 --> 00:49:32,371
great than densities and will

1627
00:49:32,371 --> 00:49:34,771
participate in the stormwater

1628
00:49:35,607 --> 00:49:36,509
and the set aside of 260 acres

1629
00:49:36,509 --> 00:49:38,611
of the development site.

1630
00:49:38,611 --> 00:49:39,846
Can you talk to me about those

1631
00:49:39,846 --> 00:49:41,348
260 acres of set aside?

1632
00:49:41,348 --> 00:49:42,648
>> thank you, MR. Chair, yes.

1633
00:49:42,648 --> 00:49:43,984
So, as I mentioned in the

1634
00:49:43,984 --> 00:49:46,984
farmstead area, we have required

1635
00:49:49,255 --> 00:49:49,823
that to be a minimum of

1636
00:49:49,823 --> 00:49:51,823
400 acres.

1637
00:49:53,827 --> 00:49:55,962
And then 200 of that has to be

1638
00:49:55,962 --> 00:49:58,965
in uses that are consistent with

1639
00:49:58,965 --> 00:49:59,365
the clustered subdivision

1640
00:49:59,365 --> 00:50:01,365
policies.

1641
00:50:01,535 --> 00:50:03,336
So those are generally ag uses,

1642
00:50:03,336 --> 00:50:05,336
conservation uses.

1643
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:06,640
Just depending on those

1644
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,275
properties.

1645
00:50:08,275 --> 00:50:11,244
And then we have an additional

1646
00:50:11,244 --> 00:50:12,545
policy that requires another

1647
00:50:12,545 --> 00:50:14,945
60 acres specifically of open

1648
00:50:15,148 --> 00:50:15,448
space set aside.

1649
00:50:15,448 --> 00:50:16,149
>> gotcha.

1650
00:50:16,149 --> 00:50:16,483
Thank you for that.

1651
00:50:16,483 --> 00:50:18,483
thank you.

1652
00:50:19,486 --> 00:50:20,954
That answers that question.

1653
00:50:20,954 --> 00:50:22,555
You had the study about the

1654
00:50:22,555 --> 00:50:23,560
impacts to archer road and

1655
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:24,690
parker road.

1656
00:50:24,690 --> 00:50:26,894
And in the report, it talks

1657
00:50:26,894 --> 00:50:29,396
about the potential of failure

1658
00:50:29,396 --> 00:50:30,930
of service provision at 39% of

1659
00:50:30,930 --> 00:50:32,866
the development.

1660
00:50:32,866 --> 00:50:33,933
But currently, as it stands, I

1661
00:50:33,933 --> 00:50:35,602
believe we have the development

1662
00:50:35,602 --> 00:50:38,602
allowing to go forward with 50%

1663
00:50:39,406 --> 00:50:39,706
before it has to have met the

1664
00:50:39,706 --> 00:50:41,740
provisions.

1665
00:50:41,740 --> 00:50:44,100
Is there a reason why we didn't

1666
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:45,746
stick with the 40%, 39 -- I'll

1667
00:50:45,746 --> 00:50:48,146
round it up to 40%.

1668
00:50:48,148 --> 00:50:49,483
That is the --

1669
00:50:49,483 --> 00:50:51,118
>> MR. Chair, I'm going to call

1670
00:50:51,118 --> 00:50:53,118
up another colleague.

1671
00:50:53,420 --> 00:50:54,287
>> chair: okay.

1672
00:50:54,287 --> 00:50:56,687
MR. Hays, transportation guy.

1673
00:50:57,358 --> 00:50:58,792
>> well, no.

1674
00:50:58,792 --> 00:51:00,940
In terms of that specific

1675
00:51:00,940 --> 00:51:00,861
number, I wanted to step up

1676
00:51:00,861 --> 00:51:02,496
because that was a decision that

1677
00:51:02,496 --> 00:51:04,496
I made.

1678
00:51:04,899 --> 00:51:06,100
Generally speaking, so we don't

1679
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:07,868
do concurrency really anywhere

1680
00:51:07,868 --> 00:51:11,380
in the county, but that policy

1681
00:51:11,380 --> 00:51:13,438
is a concurrency-like policy.

1682
00:51:15,208 --> 00:51:17,440
And to be quite frank, the 39% I

1683
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,345
thought 50% was a reasonable

1684
00:51:18,345 --> 00:51:19,447
number in terms of the

1685
00:51:19,447 --> 00:51:21,847
entitlements for getting the

1686
00:51:22,516 --> 00:51:24,151
project off of the ground.

1687
00:51:24,151 --> 00:51:25,353
And also allowing the county the

1688
00:51:25,353 --> 00:51:27,121
surety that we were not going to

1689
00:51:27,121 --> 00:51:28,890
let something get out of hand on

1690
00:51:28,890 --> 00:51:30,890
archer road.

1691
00:51:30,858 --> 00:51:31,125
Ultimately, you know, that is

1692
00:51:31,125 --> 00:51:33,125
modeling.

1693
00:51:33,127 --> 00:51:33,594
That is a transportation impact

1694
00:51:33,594 --> 00:51:34,662
analysis.

1695
00:51:34,662 --> 00:51:35,229
It could be that, it could be

1696
00:51:35,229 --> 00:51:36,197
something more.

1697
00:51:36,197 --> 00:51:38,599
It could be something less.

1698
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:40,134
But in terms of the regulatory

1699
00:51:40,134 --> 00:51:41,768
approach, I thought 50% was a

1700
00:51:41,768 --> 00:51:42,403
good rule of thumb number for

1701
00:51:42,403 --> 00:51:42,670
that policy.

1702
00:51:42,670 --> 00:51:43,970
>> okay.

1703
00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:46,240
And do we have a similar thing

1704
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:48,109
for when the bike trail

1705
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:50,278
connections to archer braid need

1706
00:51:50,278 --> 00:51:51,179
to be done or any of the

1707
00:51:51,179 --> 00:51:53,579
internal trail networks that

1708
00:51:53,581 --> 00:51:54,582
would serve that community?

1709
00:51:54,582 --> 00:51:57,385
>> MR. Chair, so what we are

1710
00:51:57,385 --> 00:52:00,588
working on, we do not have a

1711
00:52:00,588 --> 00:52:01,220
policy in the grandparent

1712
00:52:01,220 --> 00:52:03,220
amendment.

1713
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:04,250
I know because we are

1714
00:52:04,250 --> 00:52:06,425
concurrently working on the

1715
00:52:07,128 --> 00:52:08,129
planned development and allison,

1716
00:52:08,129 --> 00:52:09,529
MS. Moss and myself are working

1717
00:52:09,529 --> 00:52:10,732
`on it today, looking at the

1718
00:52:10,732 --> 00:52:11,265
conditions that will accompany

1719
00:52:11,265 --> 00:52:12,634
the planned development.

1720
00:52:12,634 --> 00:52:14,335
And there will be a condition to

1721
00:52:14,335 --> 00:52:14,535
that effect with the number of

1722
00:52:14,535 --> 00:52:15,236
units.

1723
00:52:15,236 --> 00:52:16,337
>> that will be great.

1724
00:52:16,337 --> 00:52:17,305
>> chair: you are workin on a

1725
00:52:17,305 --> 00:52:17,739
condition for that.

1726
00:52:17,739 --> 00:52:18,406
>> yes.

1727
00:52:18,406 --> 00:52:20,308
In the planned development.

1728
00:52:20,308 --> 00:52:21,709
>> chair: in the pd.

1729
00:52:21,709 --> 00:52:22,243
>> in a couple of months.

1730
00:52:22,243 --> 00:52:23,444
>> that's great.

1731
00:52:23,444 --> 00:52:25,180
I think that's really important.

1732
00:52:25,180 --> 00:52:26,180
I think we have had a lot of

1733
00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:28,283
challenges with some of the

1734
00:52:28,283 --> 00:52:29,918
other developments that we're

1735
00:52:29,918 --> 00:52:30,251
committed to doing trail network

1736
00:52:30,251 --> 00:52:31,452
connections.

1737
00:52:31,452 --> 00:52:33,187
And, you know, then it's like,

1738
00:52:33,187 --> 00:52:34,188
oh, well, that's too expensive,

1739
00:52:34,188 --> 00:52:35,456
all of a sudden, and, you know,

1740
00:52:35,456 --> 00:52:36,591
then we're kind of struggling to

1741
00:52:36,591 --> 00:52:38,260
kind of make it work.

1742
00:52:38,260 --> 00:52:39,427
So just knowing that it's

1743
00:52:39,427 --> 00:52:40,762
committed and that it's an

1744
00:52:40,762 --> 00:52:41,128
expectation it's going to get

1745
00:52:41,128 --> 00:52:41,730
done --

1746
00:52:41,730 --> 00:52:43,498
>> chair: that's in the pd.

1747
00:52:43,498 --> 00:52:43,698
>> it's really important.

1748
00:52:43,698 --> 00:52:45,698
Okay.

1749
00:52:47,568 --> 00:52:49,370
Let's see.

1750
00:52:49,370 --> 00:52:53,570
Also in the pd, we're going to

1751
00:52:53,875 --> 00:52:55,510
be having more specificity how

1752
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:58,130
we will limit the phases and

1753
00:52:58,130 --> 00:53:00,982
work on that limiting of lot

1754
00:53:00,982 --> 00:53:04,582
clearing and/or like -- you

1755
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:06,154
talked about limiting -- you go

1756
00:53:06,154 --> 00:53:09,754
down your slides and you talk

1757
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:13,895
about the limiting of --

1758
00:53:13,895 --> 00:53:15,895
>> keep going.

1759
00:53:26,675 --> 00:53:29,111
>> what is the word he used?

1760
00:53:29,111 --> 00:53:29,544
There, to limit -- there go

1761
00:53:29,544 --> 00:53:31,544
back.

1762
00:53:32,147 --> 00:53:34,147
Include disturbance limitations.

1763
00:53:35,984 --> 00:53:37,519
>> so, MR. Chair, I have people

1764
00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:41,719
who can talk a little bit more

1765
00:53:42,424 --> 00:53:43,192
specifically about the types of

1766
00:53:43,192 --> 00:53:45,192
implementation tools we're

1767
00:53:47,696 --> 00:53:49,865
talking about at the pd, just

1768
00:53:49,865 --> 00:53:50,766
generally without biasing you

1769
00:53:50,766 --> 00:53:52,301
towards the overcome of this.

1770
00:53:52,301 --> 00:53:54,569
I would say generally those are

1771
00:53:54,569 --> 00:53:56,500
sort of specific standards that

1772
00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:56,305
we're identifying at the pd

1773
00:53:56,305 --> 00:53:58,305
stage.

1774
00:53:58,507 --> 00:54:00,410
They MAY not necessarily be

1775
00:54:00,410 --> 00:54:01,143
phasing related in the

1776
00:54:01,143 --> 00:54:02,410
traditional sense where we talk

1777
00:54:02,410 --> 00:54:03,645
about a number of units or

1778
00:54:03,645 --> 00:54:05,413
something like that.

1779
00:54:05,413 --> 00:54:06,782
I'm guessing that they will take

1780
00:54:06,782 --> 00:54:09,685
a different form, like on the

1781
00:54:09,685 --> 00:54:11,987
golf course we talked about how

1782
00:54:11,987 --> 00:54:13,388
far outside of the greenways you

1783
00:54:13,388 --> 00:54:15,157
could go with heavy machinery

1784
00:54:15,157 --> 00:54:16,859
and those kind of things.

1785
00:54:16,859 --> 00:54:17,893
I would anticipate they are more

1786
00:54:17,893 --> 00:54:19,528
in that range.

1787
00:54:19,528 --> 00:54:20,996
I think stacy or mary could talk

1788
00:54:20,996 --> 00:54:22,130
a little more in detail about

1789
00:54:22,130 --> 00:54:22,965
those if you have specific

1790
00:54:22,965 --> 00:54:24,967
questions about how they are

1791
00:54:24,967 --> 00:54:26,967
approaching that.

1792
00:54:27,690 --> 00:54:28,136
>> I guess I would like to hear

1793
00:54:28,136 --> 00:54:29,472
how they are approaching them.

1794
00:54:29,472 --> 00:54:31,340
I think it was one of the key

1795
00:54:31,340 --> 00:54:33,408
things in some of our conditions

1796
00:54:33,408 --> 00:54:34,609
for the --

1797
00:54:34,609 --> 00:54:35,678
>> chair: mary, stacy, you want

1798
00:54:35,678 --> 00:54:37,246
to take it?

1799
00:54:37,246 --> 00:54:38,448
She said no, you take it.

1800
00:54:38,448 --> 00:54:39,448
Again, this is a pd thing.

1801
00:54:39,448 --> 00:54:40,849
>> but it was part of the

1802
00:54:40,849 --> 00:54:43,849
conditions in our strategic area

1803
00:54:45,210 --> 00:54:46,655
study that we limit that we have

1804
00:54:46,655 --> 00:54:47,523
L.I.D. And have a disturbance.

1805
00:54:47,523 --> 00:54:48,624
>> chair: it's going to be

1806
00:54:48,624 --> 00:54:49,925
handled in the comp plan.

1807
00:54:49,925 --> 00:54:51,925
Mary, welcome.

1808
00:54:54,464 --> 00:54:55,298
>> mary szoka, stormwater

1809
00:54:55,298 --> 00:54:56,966
quality with epd.

1810
00:54:56,966 --> 00:54:58,401
Do you have a specific question

1811
00:54:58,401 --> 00:55:00,703
or overarching what you think?

1812
00:55:00,703 --> 00:55:02,705
>> my question is how are we

1813
00:55:02,705 --> 00:55:05,208
ensuring that they are going to

1814
00:55:05,208 --> 00:55:06,409
limit disturbance of the natural

1815
00:55:06,409 --> 00:55:07,609
areas to the greatest extent

1816
00:55:07,609 --> 00:55:09,811
possible as they are doing their

1817
00:55:09,811 --> 00:55:11,811
development practices.

1818
00:55:11,881 --> 00:55:15,151
>> so as mentioned, that will be

1819
00:55:15,151 --> 00:55:16,352
further like defined in the pd.

1820
00:55:16,352 --> 00:55:17,787
Preliminarily, we provided

1821
00:55:17,787 --> 00:55:20,222
feedback on setting limits of

1822
00:55:20,222 --> 00:55:21,191
disturbance setbacks.

1823
00:55:21,191 --> 00:55:23,591
Similar language was recommended

1824
00:55:24,127 --> 00:55:27,127
and implemented for the golf

1825
00:55:27,329 --> 00:55:28,498
course portion of the project.

1826
00:55:28,498 --> 00:55:29,265
>> thank you.

1827
00:55:29,265 --> 00:55:31,265
>> chair: thanks, mary.

1828
00:55:31,668 --> 00:55:32,969
That wasn't so bad.

1829
00:55:32,969 --> 00:55:33,690
Stacy is like ha ha.

1830
00:55:33,690 --> 00:55:34,637
`

1831
00:55:34,637 --> 00:55:37,637
>> chris, you mentioned this was

1832
00:55:37,907 --> 00:55:39,976
supposed to follow or tnd and

1833
00:55:39,976 --> 00:55:41,745
tod policy as best as it can,

1834
00:55:41,745 --> 00:55:43,279
given that it has some

1835
00:55:43,279 --> 00:55:44,948
differences in its densities.

1836
00:55:44,948 --> 00:55:46,116
And that includes sort of them

1837
00:55:46,116 --> 00:55:47,517
following our -- it looked like

1838
00:55:47,517 --> 00:55:49,485
there might have been different

1839
00:55:49,485 --> 00:55:50,954
policies regarding setbacks and

1840
00:55:50,954 --> 00:55:52,789
street escapes and blocks.

1841
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:55,580
To my mind, it looked like their

1842
00:55:55,580 --> 00:55:56,526
goal was to make those even more

1843
00:55:56,526 --> 00:55:58,361
refined, which in our mind -- to

1844
00:55:58,361 --> 00:55:59,663
my mind would be a good thing if

1845
00:55:59,663 --> 00:56:00,997
we're trying to do more dense

1846
00:56:00,997 --> 00:56:02,632
and more compact development.

1847
00:56:02,632 --> 00:56:02,833
I want to check in that is the

1848
00:56:02,833 --> 00:56:04,340
case.

1849
00:56:04,340 --> 00:56:05,902
>> MR. Chair, you know, when we

1850
00:56:05,902 --> 00:56:06,903
adopted our tnd design

1851
00:56:06,903 --> 00:56:09,406
standards, both in the comp plan

1852
00:56:09,406 --> 00:56:11,708
and then the sort of

1853
00:56:11,708 --> 00:56:13,100
implementing language in our

1854
00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:14,100
land development regulations, it

1855
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:15,312
was pretty early days.

1856
00:56:15,312 --> 00:56:17,381
And we weren't necessarily

1857
00:56:17,381 --> 00:56:20,216
trying to be as aggressive as

1858
00:56:20,216 --> 00:56:21,118
one could possibly be about

1859
00:56:21,118 --> 00:56:22,619
getting those forms.

1860
00:56:22,619 --> 00:56:26,819
I think we really -- our goal

1861
00:56:27,991 --> 00:56:32,290
was to sort of manage that level

1862
00:56:32,290 --> 00:56:35,290
of urbanness within the context

1863
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:36,667
of our pretty suburban cluster.

1864
00:56:36,667 --> 00:56:39,360
I don't think that anybody would

1865
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,338
look at our tnd standards and be

1866
00:56:41,338 --> 00:56:43,307
like that gets you the most

1867
00:56:43,307 --> 00:56:44,173
urban form ever.

1868
00:56:44,173 --> 00:56:45,375
Like I don't think any of us

1869
00:56:45,375 --> 00:56:47,375
would say that.

1870
00:56:49,313 --> 00:56:53,584
So I think there is room for the

1871
00:56:53,584 --> 00:56:54,918
applicant to propose some

1872
00:56:54,918 --> 00:56:56,918
additional tighter standards,

1873
00:56:57,870 --> 00:56:58,289
one, the pd.

1874
00:56:58,289 --> 00:57:00,289
Meaning smaller setbacks,

1875
00:57:01,125 --> 00:57:02,459
smaller lots, like tighter.

1876
00:57:02,459 --> 00:57:04,459
>> tighter, yeah.

1877
00:57:05,295 --> 00:57:07,364
>> as well as sort of those

1878
00:57:07,364 --> 00:57:08,799
additional pieces of policy

1879
00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:12,399
language that are in the comp

1880
00:57:12,736 --> 00:57:14,171
plan as proposed that are

1881
00:57:14,171 --> 00:57:15,806
supportive of additional

1882
00:57:15,806 --> 00:57:18,420
standards at the pd level, that

1883
00:57:18,420 --> 00:57:21,420
we MAY not necessarily implement

1884
00:57:22,450 --> 00:57:23,781
in all of our other TNDs or

1885
00:57:23,781 --> 00:57:25,150
TODs but MAY meet what the

1886
00:57:25,150 --> 00:57:26,650
applicant's goal is for the form

1887
00:57:26,650 --> 00:57:28,452
of that development.

1888
00:57:28,452 --> 00:57:29,687
Does that answer your question?

1889
00:57:29,687 --> 00:57:31,789
I don't think there is -- this

1890
00:57:31,789 --> 00:57:33,491
is me being honest and this is

1891
00:57:33,491 --> 00:57:36,594
how I intended the policies to

1892
00:57:36,594 --> 00:57:38,128
be, which is that at the

1893
00:57:38,128 --> 00:57:39,430
minimum, they would have to meet

1894
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:40,298
those design standards that we

1895
00:57:40,298 --> 00:57:41,432
have in a tnd.

1896
00:57:41,432 --> 00:57:43,501
>> chair: in the tnd.

1897
00:57:43,501 --> 00:57:45,236
>> when you get to the pd.

1898
00:57:45,236 --> 00:57:46,770
But at pd, when you look at

1899
00:57:46,770 --> 00:57:47,872
that, we MAY be pointing out to

1900
00:57:47,872 --> 00:57:49,841
you, hey, here's something

1901
00:57:49,841 --> 00:57:52,343
that's different than what we

1902
00:57:52,343 --> 00:57:52,877
strictly do in our TNDs.

1903
00:57:52,877 --> 00:57:54,545
>> right.

1904
00:57:54,545 --> 00:57:55,513
Maybe there will be things we

1905
00:57:55,513 --> 00:57:57,513
can adopt.

1906
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:01,385
Okay.

1907
00:58:01,385 --> 00:58:03,870
Excellent.

1908
00:58:03,870 --> 00:58:04,622
Under the stuff about low impact

1909
00:58:04,622 --> 00:58:06,230
development and all of that --

1910
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:06,257
again, I MAY be getting to the

1911
00:58:06,257 --> 00:58:07,290
pd.

1912
00:58:07,290 --> 00:58:08,760
I'm probably more interested in

1913
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,494
the details.

1914
00:58:10,494 --> 00:58:11,620
>> chair: you are nailing the pd

1915
00:58:11,620 --> 00:58:11,728
for sure.

1916
00:58:11,728 --> 00:58:13,300
We'll stop there.

1917
00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:14,465
>> all the things I need to talk

1918
00:58:14,465 --> 00:58:14,699
about, they are already in

1919
00:58:14,699 --> 00:58:15,867
process.

1920
00:58:15,867 --> 00:58:17,302
Let's get it out there.

1921
00:58:17,302 --> 00:58:18,503
The public hears about these

1922
00:58:18,503 --> 00:58:19,604
things, emails that we have

1923
00:58:19,604 --> 00:58:21,172
gotten regarding concerns and

1924
00:58:21,172 --> 00:58:22,106
the conversations that I have

1925
00:58:22,106 --> 00:58:23,207
had with concerns about this,

1926
00:58:23,207 --> 00:58:24,742
these are the things that people

1927
00:58:24,742 --> 00:58:25,176
are concerned about.

1928
00:58:25,176 --> 00:58:27,176
>> chair: sure.

1929
00:58:31,749 --> 00:58:32,951
>> and that is the water and

1930
00:58:32,951 --> 00:58:34,819
amount of water for irrigation,

1931
00:58:34,819 --> 00:58:36,121
I think staff have done an

1932
00:58:36,121 --> 00:58:37,389
amazing job of having the water

1933
00:58:37,389 --> 00:58:38,757
budget and working generally

1934
00:58:38,757 --> 00:58:40,580
speaking on this idea that it's

1935
00:58:40,580 --> 00:58:42,460
mainly reclaimed water, but that

1936
00:58:42,460 --> 00:58:43,327
it is also going to be, you

1937
00:58:43,327 --> 00:58:44,629
know -- there's going to be a

1938
00:58:44,629 --> 00:58:45,730
water budget and there has to be%

1939
00:58:45,730 --> 00:58:48,366
a maximum amount of water they

1940
00:58:48,366 --> 00:58:50,334
can use and try to limit

1941
00:58:50,334 --> 00:58:51,970
irrigation on their individual

1942
00:58:51,970 --> 00:58:54,539
propertie and things like that.

1943
00:58:54,539 --> 00:58:55,940
But I guess I'm interested to

1944
00:58:55,940 --> 00:58:56,374
understand how we are monitoring

1945
00:58:56,374 --> 00:58:58,430
that.

1946
00:58:58,430 --> 00:58:59,678
Like is that right of inspection

1947
00:58:59,678 --> 00:59:01,213
by the county?

1948
00:59:01,213 --> 00:59:02,314
Is that with -- how is that

1949
00:59:02,314 --> 00:59:04,314
going to work?

1950
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,752
>> I'm going to ask I think

1951
00:59:07,752 --> 00:59:08,553
stacie greco to come and talk

1952
00:59:08,553 --> 00:59:09,321
about that.

1953
00:59:09,321 --> 00:59:10,722
>> chair: mary says I'm not

1954
00:59:10,722 --> 00:59:12,224
taking it.

1955
00:59:12,224 --> 00:59:14,224
Hey, stacie.

1956
00:59:15,527 --> 00:59:15,794
>> stacie greco, epd water

1957
00:59:15,794 --> 00:59:17,794
resources.

1958
00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:19,300
So the question is how will we

1959
00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:20,999
monitor that.

1960
00:59:20,999 --> 00:59:22,968
So as lots are developed, so way

1961
00:59:22,968 --> 00:59:23,835
down the road if they are

1962
00:59:23,835 --> 00:59:25,704
developed, you know, we have

1963
00:59:25,704 --> 00:59:26,905
written in it does have to

1964
00:59:26,905 --> 00:59:28,600
follow chapter 77.

1965
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:29,474
So any irrigation would have to

1966
00:59:29,474 --> 00:59:32,474
go through our approval process.

1967
00:59:33,450 --> 00:59:34,179
So that's already set up for

1968
00:59:34,179 --> 00:59:34,713
anywhere irrigation is going on

1969
00:59:34,713 --> 00:59:36,448
in the county.

1970
00:59:36,448 --> 00:59:38,416
So then we would look at this

1971
00:59:38,416 --> 00:59:39,852
differently because it has

1972
00:59:39,852 --> 00:59:40,285
stricter requirements than our

1973
00:59:40,285 --> 00:59:42,285
chapter 77.

1974
00:59:44,756 --> 00:59:45,958
So we would look, okay, you can

1975
00:59:45,958 --> 00:59:47,392
only irrigate 40% of the lot

1976
00:59:47,392 --> 00:59:48,260
instead of 50%.

1977
00:59:48,260 --> 00:59:50,290
And there are additional things

1978
00:59:50,290 --> 00:59:51,997
that we would have to keep track

1979
00:59:51,997 --> 00:59:52,865
of, so I think we have written

1980
00:59:52,865 --> 00:59:54,132
it in.

1981
00:59:54,132 --> 00:59:55,834
There's a certain percentage of

1982
00:59:55,834 --> 00:59:56,502
the lots that would have no

1983
00:59:56,502 --> 00:59:57,569
permanent irrigation.

1984
00:59:57,569 --> 00:59:59,204
So we would definitely have to

1985
00:59:59,204 --> 01:00:00,405
keep track of, you know, those

1986
01:00:00,405 --> 01:00:02,405
types of things.

1987
01:00:02,808 --> 01:00:04,343
And, you know, that would be in

1988
01:00:04,343 --> 01:00:06,879
the pd, potentially some of the

1989
01:00:06,879 --> 01:00:08,800
stuff would go in the covenants

1990
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:09,782
and restrictions for the

1991
01:00:09,782 --> 01:00:12,182
neighborhood depending on, you

1992
01:00:12,785 --> 01:00:13,180
know, what exactly we're talking

1993
01:00:13,180 --> 01:00:14,420
about.

1994
01:00:14,420 --> 01:00:14,753
>> will there be like

1995
01:00:14,753 --> 01:00:16,753
requirements?

1996
01:00:16,922 --> 01:00:18,490
Or are we talking about the idea

1997
01:00:18,490 --> 01:00:20,559
of having soil moisture sensors

1998
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:22,194
and ensuring they shut off rain

1999
01:00:22,194 --> 01:00:24,163
gauges and using technologies

2000
01:00:24,163 --> 01:00:25,897
like that to ensure water isn't

2001
01:00:25,897 --> 01:00:26,565
being wasted in the development?

2002
01:00:26,565 --> 01:00:28,565
>> yes.

2003
01:00:29,201 --> 01:00:32,201
So already our code requires

2004
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:33,973
soil moisture sensors or smart

2005
01:00:33,973 --> 01:00:35,973
E.T. Controllers.

2006
01:00:36,575 --> 01:00:38,310
So those would have to be used.

2007
01:00:38,310 --> 01:00:42,148
I imagine when we get to the pd,

2008
01:00:42,148 --> 01:00:44,117
we will also have in larger

2009
01:00:44,117 --> 01:00:45,318
scale water conservation

2010
01:00:45,318 --> 01:00:47,318
technologies

2011
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:47,520
technologies built in to that,

2012
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:48,854
also.

2013
01:00:48,854 --> 01:00:50,156
>> we had a farmer come today

2014
01:00:50,156 --> 01:00:51,491
who is downstream of the

2015
01:00:51,491 --> 01:00:53,459
development that's very

2016
01:00:53,459 --> 01:00:55,528
concerned about the impacts of

2017
01:00:55,528 --> 01:00:59,128
runoff to their wells and the

2018
01:00:59,265 --> 01:01:00,900
amount of nitrogen that's going

2019
01:01:00,900 --> 01:01:02,534
to come from using reclaimed

2020
01:01:02,534 --> 01:01:04,700
water that has additional

2021
01:01:04,700 --> 01:01:05,370
nitrogen load plus the farm on

2022
01:01:05,370 --> 01:01:06,372
site, things like that.

2023
01:01:06,372 --> 01:01:08,207
Is there any plan to have a

2024
01:01:08,207 --> 01:01:10,607
monitoring well for water

2025
01:01:12,512 --> 01:01:13,412
quality on site?

2026
01:01:13,412 --> 01:01:14,681
>> that's a great question.

2027
01:01:14,681 --> 01:01:15,515
We did build in a monitoring

2028
01:01:15,515 --> 01:01:16,983
plan for the golf course

2029
01:01:16,983 --> 01:01:19,983
neighborhood which is nearby or

2030
01:01:20,860 --> 01:01:21,988
the golf course property.

2031
01:01:21,988 --> 01:01:22,989
We have not discussed doing

2032
01:01:22,989 --> 01:01:24,900
groundwater monitoring.

2033
01:01:24,900 --> 01:01:27,690
We could definitely talk to the

2034
01:01:31,531 --> 01:01:33,500
applicant as we move through

2035
01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:34,701
these and it could be integrated

2036
01:01:34,701 --> 01:01:35,435
in other properties in that

2037
01:01:35,435 --> 01:01:37,360
area.

2038
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:38,838
There's the wetland going in and

2039
01:01:38,838 --> 01:01:41,341
a lot happening in that area

2040
01:01:41,341 --> 01:01:42,875
that perhaps taking a broader

2041
01:01:42,875 --> 01:01:44,875
approach makes sense.

2042
01:01:46,746 --> 01:01:48,481
>> okay, thank you.

2043
01:01:48,481 --> 01:01:50,550
You might want -- well, steve

2044
01:01:50,550 --> 01:01:52,850
might want -- I guess is steve,

2045
01:01:52,850 --> 01:01:53,853
not really stacie because it's a

2046
01:01:53,853 --> 01:01:55,922
question about the tdr.

2047
01:01:55,922 --> 01:01:57,557
I'm really excited -- I'm

2048
01:01:57,557 --> 01:01:59,625
actually really excited about

2049
01:01:59,625 --> 01:02:02,625
this part of this application.

2050
01:02:04,331 --> 01:02:05,198
I think it's a great way to use

2051
01:02:05,198 --> 01:02:06,633
TDRs to the advantage of

2052
01:02:06,633 --> 01:02:07,734
protection of actual natural

2053
01:02:07,734 --> 01:02:08,802
resources rather than just

2054
01:02:08,802 --> 01:02:10,300
buying some development rights

2055
01:02:10,300 --> 01:02:12,105
here and some development rights

2056
01:02:12,105 --> 01:02:13,730
there and actually moving this

2057
01:02:13,730 --> 01:02:14,207
money to buy conservation land

2058
01:02:14,207 --> 01:02:16,276
that's meaningful and going to

2059
01:02:16,276 --> 01:02:18,276
make an impact.

2060
01:02:19,790 --> 01:02:19,980
And so for me, this seems like a

2061
01:02:19,980 --> 01:02:21,181
win-win for us.

2062
01:02:21,181 --> 01:02:22,482
And I know that, you know, some

2063
01:02:22,482 --> 01:02:24,551
of the folks in our community

2064
01:02:24,551 --> 01:02:26,753
are less than excited about

2065
01:02:26,753 --> 01:02:27,854
seeing this kind of urban

2066
01:02:27,854 --> 01:02:28,522
density outside of the urban

2067
01:02:28,522 --> 01:02:30,522
cluster.

2068
01:02:30,791 --> 01:02:32,559
But given it's surrounded by

2069
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:33,660
development and given the

2070
01:02:33,660 --> 01:02:34,761
proposals that they have put

2071
01:02:34,761 --> 01:02:36,290
together and all the work that

2072
01:02:36,290 --> 01:02:37,697
staff have done to get the kind

2073
01:02:37,697 --> 01:02:39,333
of provisions that we have, I

2074
01:02:39,333 --> 01:02:41,502
actually think this is the best

2075
01:02:41,502 --> 01:02:42,268
potential outcome for this piece

2076
01:02:42,268 --> 01:02:45,239
of property with the protection

2077
01:02:45,239 --> 01:02:45,906
of the cma on the west side and

2078
01:02:45,906 --> 01:02:47,775
this tdr program.

2079
01:02:47,775 --> 01:02:49,410
Because I think that we

2080
01:02:49,410 --> 01:02:51,845
MR. Ultimately protect a lot

2081
01:02:51,845 --> 01:02:53,780
more important resources,

2082
01:02:53,780 --> 01:02:56,750
natural resources and lands to

2083
01:02:56,750 --> 01:02:57,417
this county than a lot of the

2084
01:02:57,417 --> 01:02:59,253
farmland that's there,

2085
01:02:59,253 --> 01:03:00,888
especially with the amount of

2086
01:03:00,888 --> 01:03:01,889
sustainable decision making that

2087
01:03:01,889 --> 01:03:02,756
the developer is already

2088
01:03:02,756 --> 01:03:04,725
committed to.

2089
01:03:04,725 --> 01:03:05,626
It sounds like they are going to

2090
01:03:05,626 --> 01:03:06,260
continue to be pushed towards

2091
01:03:06,260 --> 01:03:08,260
with the prd.

2092
01:03:08,929 --> 01:03:10,631
My question is, how are we

2093
01:03:10,631 --> 01:03:12,633
establishing the fee in lee for

2094
01:03:12,633 --> 01:03:14,668
this and are we going to be sure

2095
01:03:14,668 --> 01:03:16,303
we have a number we all agree on

2096
01:03:16,303 --> 01:03:18,172
prior to preliminary development

2097
01:03:18,172 --> 01:03:19,707
plan being approved.

2098
01:03:19,707 --> 01:03:20,374
>> MR. Chair, steve hofstetter

2099
01:03:20,374 --> 01:03:21,675
again, environmental protection.

2100
01:03:21,675 --> 01:03:23,644
The way it's going to work, we

2101
01:03:23,644 --> 01:03:25,279
are going to come up with a

2102
01:03:25,279 --> 01:03:27,148
development or developer's

2103
01:03:27,148 --> 01:03:28,149
agreement that will outline the

2104
01:03:28,149 --> 01:03:29,884
agreements of how that program

2105
01:03:29,884 --> 01:03:31,850
`is going to function.

2106
01:03:31,850 --> 01:03:34,685
We're in the early talks now

2107
01:03:35,256 --> 01:03:36,991
about what that value might be

2108
01:03:36,991 --> 01:03:38,826
per tdr as well as, you know,

2109
01:03:38,826 --> 01:03:40,493
where, how, you know, all those

2110
01:03:40,493 --> 01:03:41,728
details are going to be in an

2111
01:03:41,728 --> 01:03:42,563
agreement that will come back to

2112
01:03:42,563 --> 01:03:44,198
the board.

2113
01:03:44,198 --> 01:03:46,598
I understand it's before

2114
01:03:47,168 --> 01:03:47,802
preliminary, is that correct?

2115
01:03:47,802 --> 01:03:48,502
Somewhere --

2116
01:03:48,502 --> 01:03:50,872
>> chair: part of the pd or

2117
01:03:50,872 --> 01:03:51,472
after the pd prior to

2118
01:03:51,472 --> 01:03:53,274
preliminary?

2119
01:03:53,274 --> 01:03:53,974
>> yes, probably after pd, but

2120
01:03:53,974 --> 01:03:55,974
before preliminary.

2121
01:03:56,176 --> 01:03:57,110
Maybe during the pd there's a

2122
01:03:57,110 --> 01:03:58,312
little more information that's

2123
01:03:58,312 --> 01:04:00,648
coming out about strategies of

2124
01:04:00,648 --> 01:04:02,150
how we're moving toward that

2125
01:04:02,150 --> 01:04:02,483
final agreement.

2126
01:04:02,483 --> 01:04:04,483
>> okay.

2127
01:04:05,419 --> 01:04:09,900
I guess my one request is that

2128
01:04:09,900 --> 01:04:10,558
as we work towards that, that

2129
01:04:10,558 --> 01:04:12,760
there is definitely an interest

2130
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,162
in the county being able to

2131
01:04:14,162 --> 01:04:16,564
enforce any of the easements

2132
01:04:16,564 --> 01:04:17,798
that are purchased and like that

2133
01:04:17,798 --> 01:04:18,666
we have enforcement authority on

2134
01:04:18,666 --> 01:04:20,168
those easements.

2135
01:04:20,168 --> 01:04:21,402
Because I think, you know, they

2136
01:04:21,402 --> 01:04:22,904
are going to -- you don't know

2137
01:04:22,904 --> 01:04:23,304
who they are going to buy them

2138
01:04:23,304 --> 01:04:24,472
from.

2139
01:04:24,472 --> 01:04:26,241
If they decide to buy them

2140
01:04:26,241 --> 01:04:28,409
themselves, if it's fee in lieu,

2141
01:04:28,409 --> 01:04:29,510
it's no big deal.

2142
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:30,178
>> chair: we'll make that

2143
01:04:30,178 --> 01:04:32,178
decision.

2144
01:04:32,781 --> 01:04:33,948
>> if they are negotiating

2145
01:04:33,948 --> 01:04:35,216
TDRs for individuals with

2146
01:04:35,216 --> 01:04:36,484
easements, we are on there with

2147
01:04:36,484 --> 01:04:38,520
having right of enforcement on

2148
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:38,887
those easements is my only

2149
01:04:38,887 --> 01:04:41,189
request in addition to a good

2150
01:04:41,189 --> 01:04:43,158
approach for the TDRs that is

2151
01:04:43,158 --> 01:04:45,327
fair and equitable and uses

2152
01:04:45,327 --> 01:04:47,128
appraisal processes that make

2153
01:04:47,128 --> 01:04:50,128
sense, so that it's transparent

2154
01:04:50,265 --> 01:04:51,933
how we're getting to that

2155
01:04:51,933 --> 01:04:52,133
number.

2156
01:04:52,133 --> 01:04:54,133
Okay.

2157
01:04:55,436 --> 01:04:57,805
The farm, for me, I think it's

2158
01:04:57,805 --> 01:04:59,373
really important -- there's some

2159
01:04:59,373 --> 01:05:01,843
talk in there about the farm.

2160
01:05:01,843 --> 01:05:02,744
And it talks about it as if it's

2161
01:05:02,744 --> 01:05:04,744
bona fide ag.

2162
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:06,481
I have to say it.

2163
01:05:06,481 --> 01:05:06,748
>> it's the last --

2164
01:05:06,748 --> 01:05:08,490
>> yeah.

2165
01:05:08,490 --> 01:05:10,352
From my perspective -- and I

2166
01:05:10,352 --> 01:05:11,653
have had this conversation

2167
01:05:11,653 --> 01:05:11,920
before with staff and with the

2168
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:13,920
applicant.

2169
01:05:14,389 --> 01:05:16,124
I think this farm really should

2170
01:05:16,124 --> 01:05:18,524
be considered institutional use

2171
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,600
or some other land use.

2172
01:05:22,497 --> 01:05:23,898
While it might be ag, it is an

2173
01:05:23,898 --> 01:05:26,298
amenity for the development.

2174
01:05:28,103 --> 01:05:29,871
It is much like -- I consider it

2175
01:05:29,871 --> 01:05:30,372
much like a pool or tennis court

2176
01:05:30,372 --> 01:05:31,707
or something like that.

2177
01:05:31,707 --> 01:05:33,942
It's going to be agriculture.

2178
01:05:33,942 --> 01:05:35,844
And in that way, it's going to

2179
01:05:35,844 --> 01:05:38,244
be sharing important values

2180
01:05:38,913 --> 01:05:41,550
around our local food system and

2181
01:05:41,550 --> 01:05:42,751
around what it should look like

2182
01:05:42,751 --> 01:05:44,530
I think.

2183
01:05:44,530 --> 01:05:46,550
And what I have seen of their

2184
01:05:46,550 --> 01:05:47,122
plans, it's going to be really

2185
01:05:47,122 --> 01:05:48,524
amazing for people to learn

2186
01:05:48,524 --> 01:05:50,392
about what local food systems

2187
01:05:50,392 --> 01:05:51,727
are, how they work, how local

2188
01:05:51,727 --> 01:05:53,695
farms work and being able to

2189
01:05:53,695 --> 01:05:55,300
connect people to their food,

2190
01:05:55,300 --> 01:05:56,432
which I am really excited about.

2191
01:05:56,432 --> 01:05:57,966
I do think because this is part

2192
01:05:57,966 --> 01:05:59,168
of a development system and a

2193
01:05:59,168 --> 01:06:00,803
system that we're really

2194
01:06:00,803 --> 01:06:02,337
concerned about in regards to

2195
01:06:02,337 --> 01:06:04,206
water quality and water quantity

2196
01:06:04,206 --> 01:06:05,608
and those sorts of things I

2197
01:06:05,608 --> 01:06:06,809
really would like to see that

2198
01:06:06,809 --> 01:06:08,944
this farm have some of the same

2199
01:06:08,944 --> 01:06:11,344
requirements to develop a

2200
01:06:11,513 --> 01:06:13,149
nutrient -- like to do soil

2201
01:06:13,149 --> 01:06:14,383
testing and develop a nutrient

2202
01:06:14,383 --> 01:06:14,550
management plan and a crop plan

2203
01:06:14,550 --> 01:06:16,550
-

2204
01:06:17,987 --> 01:06:19,722
and to develop irrigation and

2205
01:06:19,722 --> 01:06:22,191
water budget plan for the farm

2206
01:06:22,191 --> 01:06:23,125
and to submit those to us, you

2207
01:06:23,125 --> 01:06:24,560
know, the same way they are

2208
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:25,194
doing with some of the

2209
01:06:25,194 --> 01:06:27,194
irrigation structures.

2210
01:06:27,930 --> 01:06:30,332
And so that it's not just okay,

2211
01:06:30,332 --> 01:06:32,500
this little piece is set aside,

2212
01:06:32,500 --> 01:06:34,503
so it can do whatever it wants.

2213
01:06:34,503 --> 01:06:38,703
I think that it should be part

2214
01:06:38,741 --> 01:06:39,975
of the overall development plan

2215
01:06:39,975 --> 01:06:42,375
structure in compliance and

2216
01:06:42,912 --> 01:06:45,912
enforcement that we are doing

2217
01:06:46,820 --> 01:06:48,484
with our other water quality and

2218
01:06:48,484 --> 01:06:48,918
quantity concerns about the

2219
01:06:48,918 --> 01:06:50,180
development.

2220
01:06:50,180 --> 01:06:51,654
>> MR. Chair, I will just point

2221
01:06:51,654 --> 01:06:54,560
out, if the board is deciding to

2222
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:55,691
make that change, obviously, the

2223
01:06:55,691 --> 01:06:57,894
applicant will want to maybe

2224
01:06:57,894 --> 01:06:59,950
address that.

2225
01:06:59,950 --> 01:07:00,963
That's condition m talks about

2226
01:07:00,963 --> 01:07:02,265
that bona fide ag has that

2227
01:07:02,265 --> 01:07:03,265
ability to follow best

2228
01:07:03,265 --> 01:07:04,667
management practices.

2229
01:07:04,667 --> 01:07:05,868
If we are going down that way,

2230
01:07:05,868 --> 01:07:07,170
that would probably be the

2231
01:07:07,170 --> 01:07:08,204
policy you want to adjust.

2232
01:07:08,204 --> 01:07:08,838
>> okay, thank you.

2233
01:07:08,838 --> 01:07:10,838
>> moving forward.

2234
01:07:12,442 --> 01:07:14,644
>> and then my last question is

2235
01:07:14,644 --> 01:07:16,450
do by know if the farm -- I

2236
01:07:16,450 --> 01:07:16,545
guess this is a question for the

2237
01:07:16,545 --> 01:07:18,348
applicant.

2238
01:07:18,348 --> 01:07:18,881
I'll wait until the applicant

2239
01:07:18,881 --> 01:07:20,316
comes up.

2240
01:07:20,316 --> 01:07:21,617
I think I have had all of my

2241
01:07:21,617 --> 01:07:23,819
questions addressed, so I will

2242
01:07:23,819 --> 01:07:24,219
pass the mic to mary.

2243
01:07:24,219 --> 01:07:25,121
>> chair: okay.

2244
01:07:25,121 --> 01:07:27,323
Commissioner alford and then

2245
01:07:27,323 --> 01:07:27,590
commissioner wheeler.

2246
01:07:27,590 --> 01:07:29,590
>> okay.

2247
01:07:30,626 --> 01:07:31,928
Of course, that's right in my

2248
01:07:31,928 --> 01:07:32,128
tablet here decides to go to

2249
01:07:32,128 --> 01:07:33,997
sleep.

2250
01:07:33,997 --> 01:07:34,397
>> sorry about that.

2251
01:07:34,397 --> 01:07:35,732
[Laughter]

2252
01:07:35,732 --> 01:07:37,660
>> oh, he wants to be charged.

2253
01:07:37,660 --> 01:07:39,402
That's where all my questions

2254
01:07:39,402 --> 01:07:41,338
are, so excuse me for like 2

2255
01:07:41,338 --> 01:07:41,504
seconds until I plug this guy

2256
01:07:41,504 --> 01:07:43,406
in.

2257
01:07:43,406 --> 01:07:43,673
>> I can come up with more.

2258
01:07:43,673 --> 01:07:44,407
[Laughter]

2259
01:07:44,407 --> 01:07:46,407
Just kidding.

2260
01:07:46,576 --> 01:07:48,976
>> while that's restarting, just

2261
01:07:51,181 --> 01:07:53,181
one thing.

2262
01:07:55,151 --> 01:07:56,386
Originally, MR. Lee had 4,000

2263
01:07:56,386 --> 01:07:58,386
something acres.

2264
01:07:58,855 --> 01:08:01,258
And if he had decided to just

2265
01:08:01,258 --> 01:08:02,726
develop that all into 5-acre

2266
01:08:02,726 --> 01:08:06,926
lots he could have done that by

2267
01:08:07,164 --> 01:08:09,332
right and had quite a few lots,

2268
01:08:09,332 --> 01:08:11,332
800 I think.

2269
01:08:13,403 --> 01:08:14,604
Is that about right?

2270
01:08:14,604 --> 01:08:16,473
>> MR. Chair, we could probably

2271
01:08:16,473 --> 01:08:18,975
have discussions all day long

2272
01:08:18,975 --> 01:08:19,242
about that very particular

2273
01:08:19,242 --> 01:08:21,242
question.

2274
01:08:22,450 --> 01:08:22,613
I'll give you sort of --

2275
01:08:22,613 --> 01:08:24,247
>> yeah.

2276
01:08:24,247 --> 01:08:25,882
>> the basics of that which is

2277
01:08:25,882 --> 01:08:28,552
that the future land use

2278
01:08:28,552 --> 01:08:29,919
designation for this property is

2279
01:08:29,919 --> 01:08:31,588
one dwelling unit per 5 acres.

2280
01:08:31,588 --> 01:08:31,922
So I think you can kind of start

2281
01:08:31,922 --> 01:08:33,922
there.

2282
01:08:34,525 --> 01:08:36,580
But we do have additional

2283
01:08:36,580 --> 01:08:36,260
limitations in our comprehensive

2284
01:08:36,260 --> 01:08:38,260
plan.

2285
01:08:38,361 --> 01:08:40,430
One about the number of plots

2286
01:08:40,430 --> 01:08:44,630
that are not part of a clustered

2287
01:08:44,934 --> 01:08:46,270
subdivision that can be created

2288
01:08:46,270 --> 01:08:46,903
outside of the urban cluster in

2289
01:08:46,903 --> 01:08:48,903
any given year.

2290
01:08:48,972 --> 01:08:50,374
And that number is 100.

2291
01:08:50,374 --> 01:08:53,100
So I think it's important to

2292
01:08:53,100 --> 01:08:54,878
sort of keep that perspective.

2293
01:08:54,878 --> 01:08:58,478
And we have lots being created

2294
01:08:58,482 --> 01:08:59,550
in the unincorporated area that

2295
01:08:59,550 --> 01:09:02,418
sort of qualify for that.

2296
01:09:02,418 --> 01:09:03,721
They are not part of a clustered

2297
01:09:03,721 --> 01:09:04,621
subdivision that take up some

2298
01:09:04,621 --> 01:09:06,621
part of that.

2299
01:09:06,957 --> 01:09:08,993
So I think you could say -- I

2300
01:09:08,993 --> 01:09:10,127
don't think there would ever be

2301
01:09:10,127 --> 01:09:11,662
5-acre lots as far as the eye

2302
01:09:11,662 --> 01:09:12,530
can see.

2303
01:09:12,530 --> 01:09:13,964
Yes, there are parts of the

2304
01:09:13,964 --> 01:09:15,165
county that are like that before

2305
01:09:15,165 --> 01:09:16,366
we had our subdivision

2306
01:09:16,366 --> 01:09:18,202
regulations today.

2307
01:09:18,202 --> 01:09:20,104
It would be nearly impossible to

2308
01:09:20,104 --> 01:09:22,390
do that going forward.

2309
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:23,207
So I don't think we would say

2310
01:09:23,207 --> 01:09:24,340
there would be 5-acre lots as

2311
01:09:24,340 --> 01:09:26,110
far as the eye can see.

2312
01:09:26,110 --> 01:09:29,710
I think you could say there

2313
01:09:31,882 --> 01:09:32,750
would be 3-acre lots and a less

2314
01:09:32,750 --> 01:09:33,617
than sustainable development

2315
01:09:33,617 --> 01:09:33,918
form.

2316
01:09:33,918 --> 01:09:35,520
>> right.

2317
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,520
And that's all.

2318
01:09:37,821 --> 01:09:39,190
I don't need too much detail.

2319
01:09:39,190 --> 01:09:41,292
It was just the point was there

2320
01:09:41,292 --> 01:09:41,592
could have been something a lot

2321
01:09:41,592 --> 01:09:43,590
worse here.

2322
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:46,163
And I think that by protecting

2323
01:09:46,163 --> 01:09:49,800
the land on the west side and

2324
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,350
by, you know, creating this, you

2325
01:09:51,350 --> 01:09:53,103
know, and the deal that you

2326
01:09:53,103 --> 01:09:53,316
talked about, I feel good about

2327
01:09:53,316 --> 01:09:55,316
this.

2328
01:09:55,740 --> 01:09:56,841
Even though some of my most

2329
01:09:56,841 --> 01:09:59,243
favorite people in the county

2330
01:09:59,243 --> 01:10:02,843
have sent me emails talking and

2331
01:10:02,947 --> 01:10:04,148
asking us not to transmit this.

2332
01:10:04,148 --> 01:10:05,583
We have been talking about this

2333
01:10:05,583 --> 01:10:06,217
a long time and I feel really

2334
01:10:06,217 --> 01:10:08,217
good about it.

2335
01:10:09,186 --> 01:10:09,534
I wanted to start by saying

2336
01:10:09,534 --> 01:10:11,550
that.

2337
01:10:11,550 --> 01:10:11,222
My computer came up and here it

2338
01:10:11,222 --> 01:10:13,222
is.

2339
01:10:15,580 --> 01:10:17,395
Now I will ask my questions.

2340
01:10:17,395 --> 01:10:19,997
So we had the discussion -- it's

2341
01:10:19,997 --> 01:10:21,666
always great to follow anna.

2342
01:10:21,666 --> 01:10:22,330
>> chair: she gets a lot of it

2343
01:10:22,330 --> 01:10:23,167
out of the way.

2344
01:10:23,167 --> 01:10:23,346
>> she gets a lot out of the

2345
01:10:23,346 --> 01:10:25,346
way.

2346
01:10:25,837 --> 01:10:27,672
When we get to that 50%

2347
01:10:27,672 --> 01:10:28,640
development part, is there any

2348
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:32,240
provision that there has to be

2349
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:35,246
any sort of public transit -- or

2350
01:10:35,246 --> 01:10:37,415
not public transit, but any sort

2351
01:10:37,415 --> 01:10:37,849
of transit relief part of the

2352
01:10:37,849 --> 01:10:39,849
neighborhood?

2353
01:10:40,180 --> 01:10:41,190
I know they have talked about

2354
01:10:41,190 --> 01:10:42,220
doing a park and ride lot and

2355
01:10:42,220 --> 01:10:43,654
things like that.

2356
01:10:43,654 --> 01:10:46,654
Anything that could relieve some

2357
01:10:46,824 --> 01:10:48,793
of the impact to archer road and

2358
01:10:48,793 --> 01:10:49,940
other roads in the area.

2359
01:10:49,940 --> 01:10:51,940
>> yeah.

2360
01:10:51,429 --> 01:10:53,164
So I think the way that I would

2361
01:10:53,164 --> 01:10:56,164
answer that is that there's

2362
01:10:56,668 --> 01:10:58,668
detail to follow.

2363
01:10:58,937 --> 01:11:00,939
But that, you know, one of the

2364
01:11:00,939 --> 01:11:03,800
things that we say about our

2365
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:04,409
mobility plan is that it

2366
01:11:04,409 --> 01:11:06,780
considers development within the

2367
01:11:06,780 --> 01:11:07,450
cluster and not development

2368
01:11:07,450 --> 01:11:09,450
outside the cluster.

2369
01:11:09,815 --> 01:11:11,316
That's one of the sort of

2370
01:11:11,316 --> 01:11:12,617
hallmarks of a mobility plan.

2371
01:11:12,617 --> 01:11:13,617
And because this is a

2372
01:11:13,617 --> 01:11:16,170
development that we wouldn't

2373
01:11:16,455 --> 01:11:18,757
have anticipated as part of our

2374
01:11:18,757 --> 01:11:19,925
mobility plan, we would think

2375
01:11:19,925 --> 01:11:21,593
there would be additional

2376
01:11:21,593 --> 01:11:22,694
projects that are necessary to

2377
01:11:22,694 --> 01:11:23,829
support it.

2378
01:11:23,829 --> 01:11:24,463
Because this is a pretty big

2379
01:11:24,463 --> 01:11:26,198
piece of property.

2380
01:11:26,198 --> 01:11:27,399
We're not talking about 20 units

2381
01:11:27,399 --> 01:11:29,340
on a little piece of property.

2382
01:11:29,340 --> 01:11:30,869
It is pretty significant.

2383
01:11:30,869 --> 01:11:34,373
So we do have a policy that, as

2384
01:11:34,373 --> 01:11:35,274
I mentioned, establishes or will

2385
01:11:35,274 --> 01:11:37,674
establish a mobility district

2386
01:11:37,676 --> 01:11:39,944
specifically for this property.

2387
01:11:39,944 --> 01:11:42,714
And we would anticipate that

2388
01:11:42,714 --> 01:11:44,782
there is at the very least a

2389
01:11:44,782 --> 01:11:45,840
transit project that is tied to

2390
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:46,752
that.

2391
01:11:46,752 --> 01:11:48,187
We propose that in our policies

2392
01:11:48,187 --> 01:11:49,488
today, a table that's related

2393
01:11:49,488 --> 01:11:50,822
specifically to that.

2394
01:11:50,822 --> 01:11:53,222
Exactly what that transit

2395
01:11:53,525 --> 01:11:54,493
service looks like, we don't

2396
01:11:54,493 --> 01:11:56,161
have that spelled out.

2397
01:11:56,161 --> 01:11:56,395
Is it going to run through the

2398
01:11:56,395 --> 01:11:57,829
project?

2399
01:11:57,829 --> 01:11:58,620
Is it going to run around the

2400
01:11:58,620 --> 01:12:00,620
project?

2401
01:12:00,699 --> 01:12:00,881
what are the headways going to

2402
01:12:00,881 --> 01:12:01,734
be?

2403
01:12:01,734 --> 01:12:02,835
Does it run all week?

2404
01:12:02,835 --> 01:12:04,637
I don't have the answer to all

2405
01:12:04,637 --> 01:12:06,637
of those.

2406
01:12:08,940 --> 01:12:09,608
And all of those will sort of

2407
01:12:09,608 --> 01:12:12,800
contribute to the cost.

2408
01:12:12,343 --> 01:12:14,413
But I think yes, we have

2409
01:12:14,413 --> 01:12:16,282
considered that just like with

2410
01:12:16,282 --> 01:12:17,817
the cluster, transit is an

2411
01:12:17,817 --> 01:12:18,783
important component of mobility.

2412
01:12:18,783 --> 01:12:20,352
We would anticipate that to be

2413
01:12:20,352 --> 01:12:21,153
the case here as well.

2414
01:12:21,153 --> 01:12:22,955
>> okay.

2415
01:12:22,955 --> 01:12:24,523
And I do appreciate the fact

2416
01:12:24,523 --> 01:12:26,792
that the developer has talked

2417
01:12:26,792 --> 01:12:27,520
about putting in a park and ride

2418
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,520
lot.

2419
01:12:29,528 --> 01:12:31,397
Because given the number of

2420
01:12:31,397 --> 01:12:33,365
people that commute, that would

2421
01:12:33,365 --> 01:12:35,234
make sense whether we get

2422
01:12:35,234 --> 01:12:36,969
transit like we want it there or

2423
01:12:36,969 --> 01:12:39,705
not, we could at least have car

2424
01:12:39,705 --> 01:12:41,674
pooling that could work better.

2425
01:12:41,674 --> 01:12:42,975
Let's see.

2426
01:12:42,975 --> 01:12:44,975
Just a comment.

2427
01:12:46,450 --> 01:12:48,780
I would love to see no

2428
01:12:48,780 --> 01:12:49,981
irrigation to any residential

2429
01:12:49,981 --> 01:12:50,316
lots and a soil amendment as

2430
01:12:50,316 --> 01:12:51,851
well.

2431
01:12:51,851 --> 01:12:53,190
I know soil amendments are part

2432
01:12:53,190 --> 01:12:56,555
of what you guys are discussing

2433
01:12:56,555 --> 01:12:59,725
in terms of minimizing the need

2434
01:12:59,725 --> 01:13:01,294
for irrigation.

2435
01:13:01,294 --> 01:13:05,494
I also wanted to talk about --

2436
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:08,700
you mentioned a well for water

2437
01:13:08,700 --> 01:13:10,102
quality monitoring.

2438
01:13:10,102 --> 01:13:11,738
I always hate that because by

2439
01:13:11,738 --> 01:13:13,840
the time you see it in the well,

2440
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,442
we already have an issue.

2441
01:13:16,442 --> 01:13:18,111
So I'm curious if we might think

2442
01:13:18,111 --> 01:13:21,470
about as we're going forward

2443
01:13:21,470 --> 01:13:24,470
something like a nitrogen budget

2444
01:13:25,652 --> 01:13:27,487
instead because we know how much

2445
01:13:27,487 --> 01:13:30,220
nitrogen is in the reuse water.

2446
01:13:30,220 --> 01:13:30,323
We know what's necessary for a

2447
01:13:30,323 --> 01:13:32,323
farm.

2448
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:33,693
I know that's asking a lot.

2449
01:13:33,693 --> 01:13:33,960
>> chair: MS. Greco.

2450
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:35,960
>> yeah.

2451
01:13:37,897 --> 01:13:39,966
so for the non-agriculture

2452
01:13:39,966 --> 01:13:41,968
portion, we have written into

2453
01:13:41,968 --> 01:13:43,269
this no fertilizers.

2454
01:13:43,269 --> 01:13:46,105
So they will be doing soil

2455
01:13:46,105 --> 01:13:47,240
amendments prior to installing

2456
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,240
landscaping.

2457
01:13:49,643 --> 01:13:50,943
And then, you know, they can do

2458
01:13:50,943 --> 01:13:52,578
soil amendments, compost and

2459
01:13:52,578 --> 01:13:54,578
stuff after that.

2460
01:13:55,549 --> 01:13:58,549
But no, you know, traditional

2461
01:13:59,119 --> 01:13:59,853
fertilizers with nitrogen and

2462
01:13:59,853 --> 01:14:00,987
phosphorus in it.

2463
01:14:00,987 --> 01:14:04,587
That is most of the property.

2464
01:14:06,793 --> 01:14:07,160
So we think that will have a big

2465
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:08,940
impact.

2466
01:14:08,940 --> 01:14:09,629
>> we just talked about a

2467
01:14:09,629 --> 01:14:10,731
monitoring well.

2468
01:14:10,731 --> 01:14:14,368
In lieu of a monitoring well for

2469
01:14:14,368 --> 01:14:15,669
the rest of it, a nitrogen

2470
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:19,869
budget -- I worked on one like

2471
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:24,110
that on another project.

2472
01:14:24,110 --> 01:14:24,978
>> it's something we can discuss

2473
01:14:24,978 --> 01:14:25,745
with the applicant.

2474
01:14:25,745 --> 01:14:26,613
You're talking about for the

2475
01:14:26,613 --> 01:14:28,482
agricultural area?

2476
01:14:28,482 --> 01:14:29,150
>> for the agricultural areas,

2477
01:14:29,150 --> 01:14:31,150
yeah.

2478
01:14:31,751 --> 01:14:33,819
And for any place using the

2479
01:14:33,819 --> 01:14:35,621
reuse water.

2480
01:14:35,621 --> 01:14:37,223
You know how much nitrogen

2481
01:14:37,223 --> 01:14:37,591
you're putting on the water with

2482
01:14:37,591 --> 01:14:38,692
the calculation.

2483
01:14:38,692 --> 01:14:39,927
I just thought it was something

2484
01:14:39,927 --> 01:14:41,361
to look at.

2485
01:14:41,361 --> 01:14:42,696
I don't know if it's something

2486
01:14:42,696 --> 01:14:44,331
doable but I thought I would

2487
01:14:44,331 --> 01:14:46,731
suggest it for discussion.

2488
01:14:49,690 --> 01:14:51,690
>> thank you.

2489
01:14:51,238 --> 01:14:53,238
>> let's see.

2490
01:14:56,176 --> 01:14:57,478
When we get to the -- what do

2491
01:14:57,478 --> 01:14:59,213
you call it?

2492
01:14:59,213 --> 01:15:01,613
The 5,000 acres that we're

2493
01:15:03,717 --> 01:15:05,886
looking at for the conservation,

2494
01:15:05,886 --> 01:15:07,855
we are looking at doing multiple

2495
01:15:07,855 --> 01:15:09,156
tracts and multiple areas

2496
01:15:09,156 --> 01:15:11,250
probably because we're probably

2497
01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:13,660
not going to get a 5,000-acre

2498
01:15:13,660 --> 01:15:14,152
tract we do buy or they could

2499
01:15:14,152 --> 01:15:15,950
buy.

2500
01:15:15,950 --> 01:15:15,605
>> MR. Chair, that's a good

2501
01:15:15,605 --> 01:15:17,598
question.

2502
01:15:17,598 --> 01:15:18,833
I asked our lands people, are

2503
01:15:18,833 --> 01:15:20,468
there 5,000-acre tracts and

2504
01:15:20,468 --> 01:15:20,969
but there's not very many of

2505
01:15:20,969 --> 01:15:22,200
them.

2506
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,171
>> and we have a lot of small

2507
01:15:24,171 --> 01:15:25,406
tracts that are on our, you

2508
01:15:25,406 --> 01:15:26,808
know, want list.

2509
01:15:26,808 --> 01:15:29,542
>> so the way that our policy is

2510
01:15:29,542 --> 01:15:31,312
written today, it references the

2511
01:15:31,312 --> 01:15:32,513
transfer of development rights

2512
01:15:32,513 --> 01:15:35,215
policies that we already have in

2513
01:15:35,215 --> 01:15:35,618
our plan for expansion of the

2514
01:15:35,618 --> 01:15:37,518
cluster.

2515
01:15:37,518 --> 01:15:40,254
And there are already some

2516
01:15:40,254 --> 01:15:42,456
requirements in those policies.

2517
01:15:42,456 --> 01:15:44,856
So for conservation properties,

2518
01:15:44,859 --> 01:15:46,294
they have to be on our -- is it

2519
01:15:46,294 --> 01:15:46,661
the active acquisition list?

2520
01:15:46,661 --> 01:15:46,995
>> yes.

2521
01:15:46,995 --> 01:15:48,796
>> that's right.

2522
01:15:48,796 --> 01:15:50,865
They have to be on the active

2523
01:15:50,865 --> 01:15:52,400
acquisition list.

2524
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,168
Generally, the default is not

2525
01:15:54,168 --> 01:15:55,902
smaller than 160 acres, but

2526
01:15:55,902 --> 01:15:57,104
there's some exceptions to that.

2527
01:15:57,104 --> 01:15:59,407
And there are similar

2528
01:15:59,407 --> 01:16:00,608
requirements for the purchase of

2529
01:16:00,608 --> 01:16:02,608
agricultural lands.

2530
01:16:04,879 --> 01:16:06,514
So I think that the short answer

2531
01:16:06,514 --> 01:16:08,582
is we're not likely going to go

2532
01:16:08,582 --> 01:16:10,151
find a 5,000-acre tract, either

2533
01:16:10,151 --> 01:16:11,552
the applicant or us unless they

2534
01:16:11,552 --> 01:16:12,553
know something that we don't

2535
01:16:12,553 --> 01:16:14,155
about acquiring land.

2536
01:16:14,155 --> 01:16:16,557
So I would anticipate the county

2537
01:16:16,557 --> 01:16:19,961
would be using this along with

2538
01:16:19,961 --> 01:16:22,263
its other funds for acquisition

2539
01:16:22,263 --> 01:16:23,231
to acquire lands as they become

2540
01:16:23,231 --> 01:16:24,565
available to us.

2541
01:16:24,565 --> 01:16:27,201
>> just like we would normally

2542
01:16:27,201 --> 01:16:27,701
try to find the best quality

2543
01:16:27,701 --> 01:16:29,701
lands.

2544
01:16:30,371 --> 01:16:31,773
>> if the applicant is paying a

2545
01:16:31,773 --> 01:16:33,441
fee in lieu, yes.

2546
01:16:33,441 --> 01:16:35,841
>> that answers that question.

2547
01:16:36,645 --> 01:16:39,450
And one more comment.

2548
01:16:40,548 --> 01:16:41,830
Is there a -- well, maybe a

2549
01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:43,830
comment.

2550
01:16:43,151 --> 01:16:46,655
Is there a provision at all for

2551
01:16:46,655 --> 01:16:49,823
livestock or poultry in the area

2552
01:16:49,823 --> 01:16:52,260
as part of the agricultural

2553
01:16:52,260 --> 01:16:52,794
nature of the development?

2554
01:16:52,794 --> 01:16:54,763
And, you know, I feel like

2555
01:16:54,763 --> 01:16:56,631
people are going to live in an

2556
01:16:56,631 --> 01:16:59,310
agricultural hamlet, they should

2557
01:16:59,434 --> 01:17:00,680
get the full experience.

2558
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,680
[Laughter]

2559
01:17:02,404 --> 01:17:04,906
>> so, MR. Chair, for those

2560
01:17:04,906 --> 01:17:05,907
areas that are within the

2561
01:17:05,907 --> 01:17:07,907
farmstead, where agricultural

2562
01:17:08,743 --> 01:17:09,778
uses are allowed, I would

2563
01:17:09,778 --> 01:17:12,778
anticipate there might be some

2564
01:17:13,115 --> 01:17:15,115
of that.

2565
01:17:15,150 --> 01:17:17,585
And potentially, within some of

2566
01:17:17,585 --> 01:17:18,587
the subdivisions that are in

2567
01:17:18,587 --> 01:17:21,757
that portion of the property --

2568
01:17:21,757 --> 01:17:23,191
I don't know exactly how that

2569
01:17:23,191 --> 01:17:25,191
would play out.

2570
01:17:26,361 --> 01:17:28,330
We don't currently have anything

2571
01:17:28,330 --> 01:17:30,499
addressing that in the planned

2572
01:17:30,499 --> 01:17:32,340
development specifically.

2573
01:17:32,340 --> 01:17:33,802
I don't know on the working farm

2574
01:17:33,802 --> 01:17:34,135
if they intend to have any

2575
01:17:34,135 --> 01:17:35,771
animals.

2576
01:17:35,771 --> 01:17:36,972
I think they have the allowance

2577
01:17:36,972 --> 01:17:38,173
for that, but I don't know if

2578
01:17:38,173 --> 01:17:39,107
that's something that they would

2579
01:17:39,107 --> 01:17:40,141
normally do.

2580
01:17:40,141 --> 01:17:42,644
>> chair: you can ask them to

2581
01:17:42,644 --> 01:17:42,978
address that during their

2582
01:17:42,978 --> 01:17:44,790
presentation.

2583
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:46,582
>> I was going to ask them to

2584
01:17:46,582 --> 01:17:49,582
address that with the comment

2585
01:17:51,854 --> 01:17:52,921
that I really like the

2586
01:17:52,921 --> 01:17:54,256
regenerative agricultural model

2587
01:17:54,256 --> 01:17:58,456
and animals are part of that in

2588
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,595
terms of creating, you know, a

2589
01:18:00,595 --> 01:18:02,331
healthy, you know, healthy

2590
01:18:02,331 --> 01:18:02,631
environment for regenerative

2591
01:18:02,631 --> 01:18:04,631
agriculture.

2592
01:18:05,340 --> 01:18:05,401
So anyway, that's all I've got

2593
01:18:05,401 --> 01:18:06,168
right now.

2594
01:18:06,168 --> 01:18:06,602
>> chair: thank you,

2595
01:18:06,602 --> 01:18:07,269
commissioner alford.

2596
01:18:07,269 --> 01:18:09,269
Commissioner wheeler.

2597
01:18:09,638 --> 01:18:11,306
>> just a couple of things.

2598
01:18:11,306 --> 01:18:12,441
Was this property ever on the

2599
01:18:12,441 --> 01:18:14,841
acquisition list for us?

2600
01:18:15,377 --> 01:18:16,378
Was it offered to the county for

2601
01:18:16,378 --> 01:18:17,124
purchase?

2602
01:18:17,124 --> 01:18:19,115
>> yes.

2603
01:18:19,115 --> 01:18:21,183
>> I just remember serving with

2604
01:18:21,183 --> 01:18:23,520
a commissioner here who one time

2605
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,200
said, you know, if you are going

2606
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:26,755
to restrict the use of this

2607
01:18:26,755 --> 01:18:27,409
property, are you willing to buy

2608
01:18:27,409 --> 01:18:28,391
it?

2609
01:18:28,391 --> 01:18:29,392
You know, so that kind of sticks

2610
01:18:29,392 --> 01:18:29,759
in my head.

2611
01:18:29,759 --> 01:18:30,926
[Laughter]

2612
01:18:30,926 --> 01:18:32,461
>> chair: that's good.

2613
01:18:32,461 --> 01:18:34,730
>> I'm trying to understand, was

2614
01:18:34,730 --> 01:18:36,730
it offered?

2615
01:18:37,333 --> 01:18:39,733
>> MR. Chair, steve hofstetter,

2616
01:18:39,902 --> 01:18:41,637
I don't want to get this wrong.

2617
01:18:41,637 --> 01:18:43,500
My memory was that there was

2618
01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:46,508
discussion of putting it on the

2619
01:18:46,508 --> 01:18:50,413
list and it did come in front of

2620
01:18:50,413 --> 01:18:50,927
the commission to be put on the

2621
01:18:50,927 --> 01:18:51,581
list.

2622
01:18:51,581 --> 01:18:52,682
I don't know -- I don't believe

2623
01:18:52,682 --> 01:18:53,683
it got put on the list.

2624
01:18:53,683 --> 01:18:54,710
>> is that right?

2625
01:18:54,710 --> 01:18:56,710
>> yeah.

2626
01:18:56,552 --> 01:18:57,854
But it was nominated.

2627
01:18:57,854 --> 01:18:58,721
>> it didn't rank high enough.

2628
01:18:58,721 --> 01:19:00,230
>> it was nominated.

2629
01:19:00,230 --> 01:19:03,623
>> because when I first came on

2630
01:19:04,930 --> 01:19:06,929
this board, I walked that

2631
01:19:06,929 --> 01:19:08,197
property with thal lee.

2632
01:19:08,197 --> 01:19:09,365
And I remember him sitting in

2633
01:19:09,365 --> 01:19:11,167
the audience where that pretty

2634
01:19:11,167 --> 01:19:12,168
young lady is when he came here

2635
01:19:12,168 --> 01:19:12,635
with th people from the

2636
01:19:12,635 --> 01:19:14,337
university of florida.

2637
01:19:14,337 --> 01:19:15,905
And he took it on the chin big

2638
01:19:15,905 --> 01:19:17,340
time from the community about

2639
01:19:17,340 --> 01:19:18,308
even thinking about working with

2640
01:19:18,308 --> 01:19:20,308
the university.

2641
01:19:21,143 --> 01:19:22,879
And to talk about, you know,

2642
01:19:22,879 --> 01:19:25,748
them making deals with the

2643
01:19:25,748 --> 01:19:27,784
university, that was so badly

2644
01:19:27,784 --> 01:19:29,152
entangled legally that there was

2645
01:19:29,152 --> 01:19:29,919
a lot of strong arming that was

2646
01:19:29,919 --> 01:19:31,955
going on there, too.

2647
01:19:31,955 --> 01:19:35,555
I think the lee family deserves

2648
01:19:36,393 --> 01:19:37,694
the respect from this community

2649
01:19:37,694 --> 01:19:39,329
that they have worked really

2650
01:19:39,329 --> 01:19:40,764
hard over the eight years I have

2651
01:19:40,764 --> 01:19:42,464
been on this board, you know, to

2652
01:19:42,464 --> 01:19:45,935
make sure it got into the right

2653
01:19:45,935 --> 01:19:47,470
hands or it got, you know, to

2654
01:19:47,470 --> 01:19:48,972
the best use of the property and

2655
01:19:48,972 --> 01:19:50,506
the best way that they could

2656
01:19:50,506 --> 01:19:51,641
actually do the dealing for

2657
01:19:51,641 --> 01:19:53,430
their family.

2658
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:54,110
So, you know, when the time

2659
01:19:54,110 --> 01:19:56,112
comes, MR. Chair, I would have

2660
01:19:56,112 --> 01:19:57,947
the honor of recommending that

2661
01:19:57,947 --> 01:19:59,490
this be transmitted.

2662
01:19:59,490 --> 01:20:01,449
>> chair: okay, thank you.

2663
01:20:03,954 --> 01:20:05,954
>> thank you, steve.

2664
01:20:07,157 --> 01:20:07,589
>> chair: let me go through the

2665
01:20:07,589 --> 01:20:08,959
slides.

2666
01:20:08,959 --> 01:20:09,459
That's the easiest way for me to

2667
01:20:09,459 --> 01:20:11,459
do it.

2668
01:20:17,767 --> 01:20:21,367
Why don't we start with the

2669
01:20:21,672 --> 01:20:23,672
transportation mobility slide?

2670
01:20:23,673 --> 01:20:26,877
This kind of deals with what

2671
01:20:26,877 --> 01:20:28,144
mary was asking earlier.

2672
01:20:28,144 --> 01:20:30,781
>> no one likes my slides.

2673
01:20:30,781 --> 01:20:32,949
>> I liked that slide.

2674
01:20:32,949 --> 01:20:34,949
>> that was clever.

2675
01:20:36,190 --> 01:20:38,550
>> chair: I thought that was

2676
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:39,890
very creative, not something in

2677
01:20:39,890 --> 01:20:40,900
the comp plan.

2678
01:20:40,900 --> 01:20:41,492
>> I haven't been called

2679
01:20:41,492 --> 01:20:41,932
creative in a long time,

2680
01:20:41,932 --> 01:20:42,392
MR. Chair.

2681
01:20:42,392 --> 01:20:44,270
>> chair: that was creative.

2682
01:20:44,270 --> 01:20:45,329
What we're talking about here is

2683
01:20:45,329 --> 01:20:47,729
actually creating a mobility

2684
01:20:47,864 --> 01:20:49,733
district specific with a fee

2685
01:20:49,733 --> 01:20:51,568
included for transit, ultimately

2686
01:20:51,568 --> 01:20:51,902
when and if we get to that

2687
01:20:51,902 --> 01:20:53,871
point.

2688
01:20:53,871 --> 01:20:55,939
And it would require an internal

2689
01:20:55,939 --> 01:20:56,906
infrastructure that enhances

2690
01:20:56,906 --> 01:20:58,575
mobility, limitation on

2691
01:20:58,575 --> 01:21:00,210
development prior to programming

2692
01:21:00,210 --> 01:21:02,210
of state road 24.

2693
01:21:02,946 --> 01:21:06,549
So are we saying they don't turn

2694
01:21:06,549 --> 01:21:06,883
any dirt until archer road is

2695
01:21:06,883 --> 01:21:08,185
four-laned?

2696
01:21:08,185 --> 01:21:11,255
>> no, MR. Chair, the way that

2697
01:21:11,255 --> 01:21:13,123
policy is written is that the

2698
01:21:13,123 --> 01:21:15,523
limitation is 50% of the

2699
01:21:15,860 --> 01:21:16,260
entitlements.

2700
01:21:16,260 --> 01:21:17,328
>> chair: right.

2701
01:21:17,328 --> 01:21:19,130
so halfway.

2702
01:21:19,130 --> 01:21:21,198
Before they go anywhere past

2703
01:21:21,198 --> 01:21:21,865
hooj, we have to four-lane

2704
01:21:21,865 --> 01:21:22,165
archer road.

2705
01:21:22,165 --> 01:21:23,834
>> yeah.

2706
01:21:23,834 --> 01:21:24,668
It has to be in the five-year

2707
01:21:24,668 --> 01:21:26,504
work program.

2708
01:21:26,504 --> 01:21:27,471
And that's typical because the

2709
01:21:27,471 --> 01:21:28,773
state sometimes moves things

2710
01:21:28,773 --> 01:21:31,609
around so the goal is to get it

2711
01:21:31,609 --> 01:21:32,376
into the work program.

2712
01:21:32,376 --> 01:21:34,110
>> chair: yeah, which I know

2713
01:21:34,110 --> 01:21:34,879
this board has supported and I

2714
01:21:34,879 --> 01:21:36,947
think we can work with the

2715
01:21:36,947 --> 01:21:38,182
applicant on that.

2716
01:21:38,182 --> 01:21:38,683
I know the applicant has worked

2717
01:21:38,683 --> 01:21:39,584
on that.

2718
01:21:39,584 --> 01:21:41,584
Next slide.

2719
01:21:43,287 --> 01:21:45,687
So farmstead property, okay.

2720
01:21:46,900 --> 01:21:47,891
400 of the acres of the 997 will

2721
01:21:47,891 --> 01:21:48,159
be farmstead?

2722
01:21:48,159 --> 01:21:50,159
>> yes.

2723
01:21:50,394 --> 01:21:51,620
So you could think of the

2724
01:21:51,620 --> 01:21:53,620
character areas.

2725
01:21:53,498 --> 01:21:53,864
You'll see them on the planned

2726
01:21:53,864 --> 01:21:55,990
development.

2727
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:56,334
And they are almost like

2728
01:21:56,334 --> 01:21:58,734
separate zoning districts within

2729
01:21:59,700 --> 01:22:00,704
the sort of pd itself.

2730
01:22:00,704 --> 01:22:02,105
So each of them will have its

2731
01:22:02,105 --> 01:22:02,373
own sort of development

2732
01:22:02,373 --> 01:22:04,308
standards.

2733
01:22:04,308 --> 01:22:06,277
So you will see graphically that

2734
01:22:06,277 --> 01:22:09,277
there will be 400 acres of

2735
01:22:09,447 --> 01:22:10,810
farmstead on the planned

2736
01:22:10,810 --> 01:22:10,456
development.

2737
01:22:10,456 --> 01:22:12,149
>> chair: yes.

2738
01:22:12,149 --> 01:22:14,285
40% of the entire development

2739
01:22:14,285 --> 01:22:16,754
will be one unit per 3 acres.

2740
01:22:16,754 --> 01:22:17,555
>> a little more than 40%.

2741
01:22:17,555 --> 01:22:19,570
40%, right, right.

2742
01:22:19,570 --> 01:22:22,657
Then on the hamlet side, there

2743
01:22:22,927 --> 01:22:24,262
will be 5 units per acre up to 5

2744
01:22:24,262 --> 01:22:26,831
units village and 10 units in

2745
01:22:26,831 --> 01:22:27,499
the village core up to 16 unit.

2746
01:22:27,499 --> 01:22:28,866
>> that's correct.

2747
01:22:28,866 --> 01:22:31,102
>> chair: with those minimums of

2748
01:22:31,102 --> 01:22:33,502
900 of the 2700 units would

2749
01:22:34,172 --> 01:22:35,807
basically be very dense.

2750
01:22:35,807 --> 01:22:37,807
And those densities.

2751
01:22:38,410 --> 01:22:40,178
and what I had heard in the

2752
01:22:40,178 --> 01:22:41,245
planning commission, there was a

2753
01:22:41,245 --> 01:22:43,140
commissioner who objected

2754
01:22:43,140 --> 01:22:43,782
because he actually wanted more

2755
01:22:43,782 --> 01:22:44,783
density than that.

2756
01:22:44,783 --> 01:22:46,718
Is that right?

2757
01:22:46,718 --> 01:22:48,219
>> yeah, MR. Chair, first of

2758
01:22:48,219 --> 01:22:50,880
all, the 300 and 600 wouldn't

2759
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:50,988
get you to 10 and 16 dwelling

2760
01:22:50,988 --> 01:22:52,988
units per acre.

2761
01:22:53,524 --> 01:22:56,361
So they would be less than that.

2762
01:22:56,361 --> 01:22:57,895
But even using that, you still

2763
01:22:57,895 --> 01:22:59,664
end up, you know, if you used up

2764
01:22:59,664 --> 01:23:01,333
all of your density in the

2765
01:23:01,333 --> 01:23:04,200
farmstead and used up your 300

2766
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:05,436
and your 900, with the acreage

2767
01:23:05,436 --> 01:23:07,939
limitations that we have set,

2768
01:23:07,939 --> 01:23:09,907
you get pretty close to four

2769
01:23:09,907 --> 01:23:10,361
units an acre in the hamlet

2770
01:23:10,361 --> 01:23:12,361
area.

2771
01:23:13,780 --> 01:23:15,614
So I just want to keep in

2772
01:23:15,614 --> 01:23:17,582
perspective that becomes really

2773
01:23:17,582 --> 01:23:18,250
consistent with our low density

2774
01:23:18,250 --> 01:23:20,319
residential and the development

2775
01:23:20,319 --> 01:23:21,286
that we have seen in it over the

2776
01:23:21,286 --> 01:23:23,286
last several years.

2777
01:23:24,256 --> 01:23:26,658
It's not as -- it would likely

2778
01:23:26,658 --> 01:23:27,192
be more dense than oakmont, for

2779
01:23:27,192 --> 01:23:27,592
example.

2780
01:23:27,592 --> 01:23:28,427
>> chair: right.

2781
01:23:28,427 --> 01:23:29,928
All four of those would be

2782
01:23:29,928 --> 01:23:30,362
connected to sewer and

2783
01:23:30,362 --> 01:23:31,363
wastewater?

2784
01:23:31,363 --> 01:23:32,231
>> all of the development, any

2785
01:23:32,231 --> 01:23:33,432
new development would be

2786
01:23:33,432 --> 01:23:34,299
connected to sewer and water,

2787
01:23:34,299 --> 01:23:34,800
yes, MR. Chair.

2788
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,800
>> chair: next slide.

2789
01:23:37,468 --> 01:23:39,868
The working farm slide.

2790
01:23:40,500 --> 01:23:42,500
Yeah, right there.

2791
01:23:43,208 --> 01:23:45,577
So must be at least 20 acres

2792
01:23:45,577 --> 01:23:48,113
outside of the 200 cma acres.

2793
01:23:48,113 --> 01:23:49,810
>> so it wouldn't be 200 acres

2794
01:23:49,810 --> 01:23:50,616
that are in a conservation

2795
01:23:50,616 --> 01:23:52,585
management area.

2796
01:23:52,585 --> 01:23:53,252
So that's worth some sort of

2797
01:23:53,252 --> 01:23:55,252
discussion, I suppose.

2798
01:23:56,522 --> 01:23:58,589
What we said is that half of

2799
01:23:58,589 --> 01:24:01,930
that farmstead -- so 200 acres

2800
01:24:01,930 --> 01:24:04,296
if it's 400, have to be in uses

2801
01:24:04,296 --> 01:24:06,799
that are consistent with the

2802
01:24:06,799 --> 01:24:07,165
rural cluster open space

2803
01:24:07,165 --> 01:24:09,101
policies.

2804
01:24:09,101 --> 01:24:10,636
So that includes the

2805
01:24:10,636 --> 01:24:12,636
conservation management area,

2806
01:24:14,139 --> 01:24:15,975
but it also could include other

2807
01:24:15,975 --> 01:24:17,420
uses that might not be

2808
01:24:17,420 --> 01:24:19,420
conservation management.

2809
01:24:20,345 --> 01:24:20,646
So it could potentially be some

2810
01:24:20,646 --> 01:24:22,646
stormwater.

2811
01:24:23,749 --> 01:24:25,617
It could be -- there's a set of

2812
01:24:25,617 --> 01:24:27,553
recreational uses, for example.

2813
01:24:27,553 --> 01:24:28,787
So no, I wouldn't say that there

2814
01:24:28,787 --> 01:24:30,188
would be 200 acres of

2815
01:24:30,188 --> 01:24:32,188
conservation management area.

2816
01:24:32,591 --> 01:24:35,728
There would be 200 acres of what

2817
01:24:35,728 --> 01:24:38,630
I would broadly call undeveloped -- it's not going to

2818
01:24:38,630 --> 01:24:40,833
have houses sitting on it area.

2819
01:24:40,833 --> 01:24:41,334
>> can I ask a question on that?

2820
01:24:41,334 --> 01:24:43,334
>> chair: sure.

2821
01:24:44,604 --> 01:24:47,206
>> would that then -- could it

2822
01:24:47,206 --> 01:24:47,940
in a theoretical framework -- I

2823
01:24:47,940 --> 01:24:49,175
don't imagine it could because

2824
01:24:49,175 --> 01:24:51,100
of the scale of the development.

2825
01:24:51,100 --> 01:24:52,745
But theoretically speaking,

2826
01:24:52,745 --> 01:24:53,179
could all the stormwater be in

2827
01:24:53,179 --> 01:24:54,614
that 200 A.I.

2828
01:24:54,614 --> 01:24:56,349
200 acres and then call

2829
01:24:56,349 --> 01:24:57,550
that part of their open space

2830
01:24:57,550 --> 01:24:58,751
requirement and check the box

2831
01:24:58,751 --> 01:25:00,486
with stormwater ponds?

2832
01:25:00,486 --> 01:25:01,386
>> so, MR. Chair, the

2833
01:25:01,386 --> 01:25:03,386
commissioner said theoretically

2834
01:25:03,556 --> 01:25:04,123
so I'll say theoretically, I

2835
01:25:04,123 --> 01:25:06,123
suppose.

2836
01:25:06,525 --> 01:25:09,495
I think that is incredibly

2837
01:25:09,495 --> 01:25:09,962
unlikely from an infrastructure

2838
01:25:09,962 --> 01:25:10,233
standpoint.

2839
01:25:10,233 --> 01:25:12,233
>> okay.

2840
01:25:12,565 --> 01:25:13,580
>> chair: next slide on the land

2841
01:25:13,580 --> 01:25:15,580
disturbance.

2842
01:25:16,836 --> 01:25:18,137
So policy 8.6.6.16 writing

2843
01:25:18,137 --> 01:25:19,238
geophysical testing prior to

2844
01:25:19,238 --> 01:25:20,640
stormwater management, have we

2845
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:21,540
ever required that?

2846
01:25:21,540 --> 01:25:23,276
>> yes, we have one other time

2847
01:25:23,276 --> 01:25:23,543
and that was on the U.F. Golf

2848
01:25:23,543 --> 01:25:25,478
property.

2849
01:25:25,478 --> 01:25:27,881
We have in limited instances

2850
01:25:27,881 --> 01:25:29,315
also required it on specific

2851
01:25:29,315 --> 01:25:32,510
developments where we are either

2852
01:25:32,510 --> 01:25:34,120
aware of particular geologic

2853
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:36,289
features that might impair that

2854
01:25:36,289 --> 01:25:37,824
or we have also used it at times

2855
01:25:37,824 --> 01:25:39,459
where we know there's a property

2856
01:25:39,459 --> 01:25:40,460
that maybe had a former landfill

2857
01:25:40,460 --> 01:25:41,561
or something on it.

2858
01:25:41,561 --> 01:25:41,860
>> chair: no, I think it's

2859
01:25:41,860 --> 01:25:43,629
great.

2860
01:25:43,629 --> 01:25:44,998
And I appreciate that the

2861
01:25:44,998 --> 01:25:46,800
developer wanted to do it.

2862
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:48,902
This is what we were asking save

2863
01:25:48,902 --> 01:25:49,336
alachua to require for the terra

2864
01:25:49,336 --> 01:25:50,537
property.

2865
01:25:50,537 --> 01:25:51,671
So the fact that they are

2866
01:25:51,671 --> 01:25:52,505
agreeing to do that I think is

2867
01:25:52,505 --> 01:25:54,505
really, really super.

2868
01:25:55,141 --> 01:25:57,541
Next slide, water conservation.

2869
01:25:58,545 --> 01:26:00,180
So have we ever required these?

2870
01:26:00,180 --> 01:26:02,150
`it seems like we are setting a

2871
01:26:02,150 --> 01:26:03,650
whole new bar.

2872
01:26:03,650 --> 01:26:05,418
>> I would love to espouse I

2873
01:26:05,418 --> 01:26:06,519
could say which of these we

2874
01:26:06,519 --> 01:26:08,255
require currently or have

2875
01:26:08,255 --> 01:26:09,155
required in the past, but

2876
01:26:09,155 --> 01:26:12,155
probably stacie would be better

2877
01:26:16,596 --> 01:26:18,996
at answering that question.

2878
01:26:20,266 --> 01:26:22,350
>> stacie greco.

2879
01:26:22,350 --> 01:26:24,104
Looking at these, we have some

2880
01:26:24,104 --> 01:26:24,438
florida-friendly language in our

2881
01:26:24,438 --> 01:26:24,905
code.

2882
01:26:24,905 --> 01:26:26,905
>> chair: sure.

2883
01:26:29,576 --> 01:26:31,645
>> but most of these I would say

2884
01:26:31,645 --> 01:26:32,511
are new and above current code.

2885
01:26:32,511 --> 01:26:32,980
Especially on the fertilizer,

2886
01:26:32,980 --> 01:26:34,980
that is big.

2887
01:26:35,147 --> 01:26:37,117
And then it is further

2888
01:26:37,117 --> 01:26:38,218
implementing the irrigated area.

2889
01:26:38,218 --> 01:26:39,420
You know, our design code

2890
01:26:39,420 --> 01:26:42,389
already does that, but it's

2891
01:26:42,389 --> 01:26:44,389
taking it further.

2892
01:26:45,325 --> 01:26:47,725
And limiting irrigation to

2893
01:26:54,301 --> 01:26:55,302
reclaimed water.

2894
01:26:55,302 --> 01:26:55,936
Ther not going to have

2895
01:26:55,936 --> 01:26:57,936
irrigation wells.

2896
01:26:58,805 --> 01:27:00,240
>> most of this was also the

2897
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:01,700
result of the sas requiring it.

2898
01:27:01,700 --> 01:27:02,610
Those were some of the

2899
01:27:02,610 --> 01:27:03,544
conditions we set so forth.

2900
01:27:03,544 --> 01:27:07,144
>> chair: this is a great new

2901
01:27:08,682 --> 01:27:09,883
standard that we are setting

2902
01:27:09,883 --> 01:27:11,518
here and the developer is

2903
01:27:11,518 --> 01:27:11,785
setting here unless I'm missing

2904
01:27:11,785 --> 01:27:12,486
something.

2905
01:27:12,486 --> 01:27:15,356
>> chair: those are the majority

2906
01:27:15,356 --> 01:27:16,223
of my questions I have one

2907
01:27:16,223 --> 01:27:18,223
question for staff.

2908
01:27:19,493 --> 01:27:20,461
And that's the anna issue she

2909
01:27:20,461 --> 01:27:22,461
first brought up.

2910
01:27:22,997 --> 01:27:25,997
How would staff require the

2911
01:27:26,500 --> 01:27:29,770
applicant to enforce U.F. To do

2912
01:27:29,770 --> 01:27:30,103
their conservation management

2913
01:27:30,103 --> 01:27:32,103
plan?

2914
01:27:32,239 --> 01:27:33,507
>> that isn't what I asked.

2915
01:27:33,507 --> 01:27:35,507
>> chair: it isn't?

2916
01:27:35,676 --> 01:27:37,110
>> I asked for proof that U.F.

2917
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:38,112
Has a plan.

2918
01:27:38,112 --> 01:27:39,180
>> chair: how would the

2919
01:27:39,180 --> 01:27:40,281
applicant -- how would staff

2920
01:27:40,281 --> 01:27:42,681
require that the applicant

2921
01:27:53,528 --> 01:27:54,495
require that U.F. Have a plan?

2922
01:27:54,495 --> 01:27:55,930
>> MR. Chair, I can think of

2923
01:27:55,930 --> 01:27:58,933
ways that the board can enforce

2924
01:27:58,933 --> 01:28:00,670
that kind of request.

2925
01:28:00,670 --> 01:28:02,370
So you could choose to not

2926
01:28:02,370 --> 01:28:04,770
approve this application with

2927
01:28:05,672 --> 01:28:07,608
that as a reasoning.

2928
01:28:07,608 --> 01:28:09,176
I'm not suggesting that as

2929
01:28:09,176 --> 01:28:09,510
staff, but you're asking me a

2930
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:11,245
hypothetical.

2931
01:28:11,245 --> 01:28:11,445
So I'm going to try and provide

2932
01:28:11,445 --> 01:28:13,445
that.

2933
01:28:14,415 --> 01:28:17,180
What we typically say is that

2934
01:28:17,180 --> 01:28:20,180
where you have an application

2935
01:28:20,210 --> 01:28:20,988
for a particular piece of

2936
01:28:20,988 --> 01:28:23,258
property, you can't use the

2937
01:28:23,258 --> 01:28:25,260
setting of another property as a

2938
01:28:25,260 --> 01:28:27,426
reasoning for denying it.

2939
01:28:27,762 --> 01:28:29,164
Where you have like a cell tower

2940
01:28:29,164 --> 01:28:30,631
maybe and someone says why don't

2941
01:28:30,631 --> 01:28:31,499
you put it on that piece of

2942
01:28:31,499 --> 01:28:32,233
property, that's not the subject

2943
01:28:32,233 --> 01:28:34,102
of the application.

2944
01:28:34,102 --> 01:28:36,371
So if you have a reason to deny

2945
01:28:36,371 --> 01:28:38,106
an application, that's in front

2946
01:28:38,106 --> 01:28:40,341
of you, you could do that and

2947
01:28:40,341 --> 01:28:40,507
you can state your reasoning for

2948
01:28:40,507 --> 01:28:42,507
it.

2949
01:28:42,944 --> 01:28:45,513
So I think I would say that.

2950
01:28:45,513 --> 01:28:46,513
Ultimately, I think in this

2951
01:28:46,513 --> 01:28:47,115
case, that's the way you could

2952
01:28:47,115 --> 01:28:48,983
do it.

2953
01:28:48,983 --> 01:28:50,618
The application that was

2954
01:28:50,618 --> 01:28:54,218
submitted to us is for a

2955
01:28:54,489 --> 01:28:55,957
particular piece of property.

2956
01:28:55,957 --> 01:28:58,357
And enforcing conditions on

2957
01:28:59,361 --> 01:29:00,562
properties that are outside of

2958
01:29:00,562 --> 01:29:01,997
that would be questionable or

2959
01:29:01,997 --> 01:29:04,332
probably at best although the

2960
01:29:04,332 --> 01:29:05,700
board can adopt its own policies

2961
01:29:05,700 --> 01:29:06,101
in the comprehensive plan.

2962
01:29:06,101 --> 01:29:08,101
>> chair: right.

2963
01:29:08,336 --> 01:29:10,839
So we would essentially be

2964
01:29:10,839 --> 01:29:11,940
saying ifas, do your plan.

2965
01:29:11,940 --> 01:29:13,575
Submit it to us or we're not

2966
01:29:13,575 --> 01:29:13,809
going to submit next-door.

2967
01:29:13,809 --> 01:29:14,676
>> no.

2968
01:29:14,676 --> 01:29:16,678
What I was saying is that we

2969
01:29:16,678 --> 01:29:18,413
have a strategic area study.

2970
01:29:18,413 --> 01:29:19,815
And in all the other instances

2971
01:29:19,815 --> 01:29:20,915
where we have strategic area

2972
01:29:20,915 --> 01:29:22,117
studies, we have conservation

2973
01:29:22,117 --> 01:29:22,884
management areas within those

2974
01:29:22,884 --> 01:29:24,884
strategic areas.

2975
01:29:25,921 --> 01:29:27,589
And those are sensitive

2976
01:29:27,589 --> 01:29:27,990
ecological areas that require

2977
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:29,658
protection.

2978
01:29:29,658 --> 01:29:30,759
It's why we created the

2979
01:29:30,759 --> 01:29:31,760
strategic ecosystems to begin

2980
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:33,495
with, right.

2981
01:29:33,495 --> 01:29:35,564
So in this instance, it just

2982
01:29:35,564 --> 01:29:37,432
happened that it was the lees

2983
01:29:37,432 --> 01:29:37,733
who have stewarded that land for

2984
01:29:37,733 --> 01:29:39,167
generations.

2985
01:29:39,167 --> 01:29:41,236
They have own it.

2986
01:29:41,236 --> 01:29:42,504
And they owned the entire thing.

2987
01:29:42,504 --> 01:29:42,704
>> chair: I understand your

2988
01:29:42,704 --> 01:29:44,106
point.

2989
01:29:44,106 --> 01:29:45,307
My point, because it is --

2990
01:29:45,307 --> 01:29:46,375
>> let me finish, please.

2991
01:29:46,375 --> 01:29:48,430
>> chair: well, but it's my --

2992
01:29:48,430 --> 01:29:49,878
it's actually my point is that

2993
01:29:49,878 --> 01:29:52,513
if we were to do that, the time

2994
01:29:52,513 --> 01:29:54,283
to do that was when U.F. Was

2995
01:29:54,283 --> 01:29:54,549
standing there asking us

2996
01:29:54,549 --> 01:29:55,818
something.

2997
01:29:55,818 --> 01:29:58,420
That was the time to do that.

2998
01:29:58,420 --> 01:29:58,987
If this was your issue, U.F. Is

2999
01:29:58,987 --> 01:30:00,255
standing right there.

3000
01:30:00,255 --> 01:30:00,489
They are asking for a golf

3001
01:30:00,489 --> 01:30:02,489
course.

3002
01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:04,326
They are asking for an approval.

3003
01:30:04,326 --> 01:30:06,562
And if that was your issue, that

3004
01:30:06,562 --> 01:30:08,970
was the time to bring it up.

3005
01:30:08,970 --> 01:30:10,332
That was never -- this is the

3006
01:30:10,332 --> 01:30:11,100
first time I'm hearing this is

3007
01:30:11,100 --> 01:30:12,301
your position.

3008
01:30:12,301 --> 01:30:14,170
And U.F. Isn't here.

3009
01:30:14,170 --> 01:30:14,369
Like they are literally not

3010
01:30:14,369 --> 01:30:15,938
here.

3011
01:30:15,938 --> 01:30:18,774
And to ask this applicant to

3012
01:30:18,774 --> 01:30:21,309
bring U.F. Here or to require

3013
01:30:21,309 --> 01:30:21,510
U.F. To do that seems a month

3014
01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:22,812
late.

3015
01:30:22,812 --> 01:30:23,813
Two months late.

3016
01:30:23,813 --> 01:30:25,813
>> well, okay, fine.

3017
01:30:26,215 --> 01:30:26,982
But it's still my position.

3018
01:30:26,982 --> 01:30:27,850
>> chair: okay, that's fine.

3019
01:30:27,850 --> 01:30:29,485
>> the applicant who is

3020
01:30:29,485 --> 01:30:32,485
ultimately the landowner who is

3021
01:30:32,655 --> 01:30:33,989
the lees, like they agreed to

3022
01:30:33,989 --> 01:30:36,389
the strategic area study.

3023
01:30:36,692 --> 01:30:38,794
And that included the protection

3024
01:30:38,794 --> 01:30:40,195
of the entire cma within that

3025
01:30:40,195 --> 01:30:42,164
strategic area.

3026
01:30:42,164 --> 01:30:43,966
And they have a responsibility

3027
01:30:43,966 --> 01:30:44,467
to uphold that protection.

3028
01:30:44,467 --> 01:30:44,967
>> chair: understood.

3029
01:30:44,967 --> 01:30:45,868
I hear your point.

3030
01:30:45,868 --> 01:30:46,835
>> that's what I'm saying.

3031
01:30:46,835 --> 01:30:49,500
>> chair: and I think for the

3032
01:30:49,500 --> 01:30:50,239
land that they own, they are

3033
01:30:50,239 --> 01:30:51,541
certainly upholding that.

3034
01:30:51,541 --> 01:30:54,410
But what you're talking about is

3035
01:30:54,410 --> 01:30:55,611
land that they no longer own.

3036
01:30:55,611 --> 01:30:57,346
And I hear your point.

3037
01:30:57,346 --> 01:30:58,448
And I understand your point.

3038
01:30:58,448 --> 01:31:00,183
>> they keep telling us -- they

3039
01:31:00,183 --> 01:31:02,285
told us in that meeting with

3040
01:31:02,285 --> 01:31:02,919
u.F -- they told us that it was

3041
01:31:02,919 --> 01:31:04,919
being protected.

3042
01:31:05,188 --> 01:31:06,220
When they came, they told us it

3043
01:31:06,220 --> 01:31:07,390
was being protected.

3044
01:31:07,390 --> 01:31:09,920
When the same came, they told us

3045
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:10,726
it was being protected.

3046
01:31:10,726 --> 01:31:11,827
And they keep promising up that

3047
01:31:11,827 --> 01:31:13,129
ifas is protecting it.

3048
01:31:13,129 --> 01:31:14,230
If all those things are true,

3049
01:31:14,230 --> 01:31:16,966
then it should be no problem for

3050
01:31:16,966 --> 01:31:18,601
them to provide us the contract,

3051
01:31:18,601 --> 01:31:21,537
the sale agreement that includes

3052
01:31:21,537 --> 01:31:22,500
what they are doing to protect

3053
01:31:22,500 --> 01:31:23,306
it.

3054
01:31:23,306 --> 01:31:24,274
The management plans or

3055
01:31:24,274 --> 01:31:26,420
restoration plans that ifas is

3056
01:31:26,420 --> 01:31:28,445
developing to protect that land.

3057
01:31:28,445 --> 01:31:29,711
Like if what they keep telling

3058
01:31:29,711 --> 01:31:30,130
us, ifas and U.F. Did stand up

3059
01:31:30,130 --> 01:31:31,180
there.

3060
01:31:31,180 --> 01:31:33,149
I did ask that question and they

3061
01:31:33,149 --> 01:31:34,550
told us that they had plans to

3062
01:31:34,550 --> 01:31:35,418
restore and protect it.

3063
01:31:35,418 --> 01:31:36,519
>> chair: and I believe them.

3064
01:31:36,519 --> 01:31:38,487
I believe ifas.

3065
01:31:38,487 --> 01:31:39,555
>> where are those?

3066
01:31:39,555 --> 01:31:40,490
Show us.

3067
01:31:40,490 --> 01:31:42,125
>> chair: I love that question.

3068
01:31:42,125 --> 01:31:43,992
I just think that question is

3069
01:31:43,992 --> 01:31:44,861
being asked of the wrong people.

3070
01:31:44,861 --> 01:31:45,929
I love the question.

3071
01:31:45,929 --> 01:31:47,196
>> it's the landowner.

3072
01:31:47,196 --> 01:31:48,732
It's the landowner, they chose

3073
01:31:48,732 --> 01:31:50,199
to sell that property.

3074
01:31:50,199 --> 01:31:51,401
Show me they protected that

3075
01:31:51,401 --> 01:31:52,935
conservation management area.

3076
01:31:52,935 --> 01:31:54,237
>> chair: we'll see if we can

3077
01:31:54,237 --> 01:31:54,627
address that issue I think right

3078
01:31:54,627 --> 01:31:56,105
now.

3079
01:31:56,105 --> 01:31:57,107
I think now it's time for the

3080
01:31:57,107 --> 01:31:58,742
applicant to present.

3081
01:31:58,742 --> 01:32:01,142
After the applicant presents,

3082
01:32:01,678 --> 01:32:02,245
then we'll ask their questions

3083
01:32:02,245 --> 01:32:04,245
the board.

3084
01:32:04,648 --> 01:32:05,114
We'll ask the board for a motion

3085
01:32:05,114 --> 01:32:06,750
or not.

3086
01:32:06,750 --> 01:32:08,251
And then we'll have a discussion

3087
01:32:08,251 --> 01:32:09,686
and then we'll open it up to the

3088
01:32:09,686 --> 01:32:11,121
public who is here that wants to

3089
01:32:11,121 --> 01:32:11,655
speak to the motion.

3090
01:32:11,655 --> 01:32:11,988
Okay.

3091
01:32:11,988 --> 01:32:12,856
Welcome.

3092
01:32:12,856 --> 01:32:14,856
>> great, thank you.

3093
01:32:14,925 --> 01:32:16,927
Good evening, commissioners, for

3094
01:32:16,927 --> 01:32:19,327
the record lindsey hagua.

3095
01:32:19,429 --> 01:32:22,429
I'm a community planner with

3096
01:32:23,366 --> 01:32:24,334
england, timms and miller, old

3097
01:32:24,334 --> 01:32:25,568
st. Augustine road.

3098
01:32:25,568 --> 01:32:26,770
This has been healthy debate

3099
01:32:26,770 --> 01:32:28,371
just to get to our presentation.

3100
01:32:28,371 --> 01:32:29,306
With our team, we will try to

3101
01:32:29,306 --> 01:32:30,374
hit on some of the questions

3102
01:32:30,374 --> 01:32:31,775
that you have raised and that

3103
01:32:31,775 --> 01:32:34,177
staff has addressed as well just

3104
01:32:34,177 --> 01:32:34,544
to help move through our

3105
01:32:34,544 --> 01:32:35,612
presentation.

3106
01:32:35,612 --> 01:32:36,780
Here is your full team.

3107
01:32:36,780 --> 01:32:38,582
Most of us you know.

3108
01:32:38,582 --> 01:32:39,115
We have been in front of your

3109
01:32:39,115 --> 01:32:40,551
commission before.

3110
01:32:40,551 --> 01:32:40,884
You have worked with us

3111
01:32:40,884 --> 01:32:42,285
individually.

3112
01:32:42,285 --> 01:32:45,885
We have worked with your staff

3113
01:32:46,356 --> 01:32:47,323
over these last year and years

3114
01:32:47,323 --> 01:32:49,590
we are all here.

3115
01:32:49,590 --> 01:32:50,160
Some of us will present to you

3116
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:50,894
at different slides in the

3117
01:32:50,894 --> 01:32:53,129
presentation, but we are all

3118
01:32:53,129 --> 01:32:54,665
here to answer and pull up

3119
01:32:54,665 --> 01:32:57,665
anybody during some questions or

3120
01:33:07,578 --> 01:33:08,779
after public comment.

3121
01:33:08,779 --> 01:33:10,800
We have gone through this

3122
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:11,215
process and different changes in

3123
01:33:11,215 --> 01:33:12,480
land ownership, the mixture of

3124
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:13,184
where we've been.

3125
01:33:13,184 --> 01:33:14,652
Different actions.

3126
01:33:14,652 --> 01:33:16,854
And then with us when we got

3127
01:33:16,854 --> 01:33:18,823
involved for everlee farms in

3128
01:33:18,823 --> 01:33:20,257
2026, a ton of engagement as a

3129
01:33:20,257 --> 01:33:20,791
community planner, let's invite

3130
01:33:20,791 --> 01:33:22,293
people over.

3131
01:33:22,293 --> 01:33:26,493
And I wanted to give thanks to

3132
01:33:28,565 --> 01:33:29,533
principal bell over at

3133
01:33:29,533 --> 01:33:30,534
terwilliger and made it a

3134
01:33:30,534 --> 01:33:32,403
convenient location for us to

3135
01:33:32,403 --> 01:33:34,671
meet to kind of have that school

3136
01:33:34,671 --> 01:33:35,873
engagement and go and learn from

3137
01:33:35,873 --> 01:33:36,874
our neighbors what are some of

3138
01:33:36,874 --> 01:33:38,375
their concerns, what are the

3139
01:33:38,375 --> 01:33:40,378
things that they appreciate

3140
01:33:40,378 --> 01:33:41,345
about their areas, how do we

3141
01:33:41,345 --> 01:33:43,581
reflect those character areas

3142
01:33:43,581 --> 01:33:43,881
and how we can give them more

3143
01:33:43,881 --> 01:33:45,881
information.

3144
01:33:45,949 --> 01:33:47,485
So some of that resulted in

3145
01:33:47,485 --> 01:33:48,285
policy changes that's before you

3146
01:33:48,285 --> 01:33:50,285
for transmittal tonight.

3147
01:33:50,955 --> 01:33:52,556
And some of that found a home in

3148
01:33:52,556 --> 01:33:53,825
our planned development rezoning

3149
01:33:53,825 --> 01:33:55,359
and these commitments that our

3150
01:33:55,359 --> 01:33:56,861
team has offered.

3151
01:33:56,861 --> 01:33:58,395
the highlighted box here today

3152
01:33:58,395 --> 01:33:58,763
is where we are at for

3153
01:33:58,763 --> 01:34:00,310
transmittal.

3154
01:34:00,310 --> 01:34:01,699
Do we have enough information to

3155
01:34:01,699 --> 01:34:02,467
give this out for state and

3156
01:34:02,467 --> 01:34:03,334
regional review?

3157
01:34:03,334 --> 01:34:04,869
Continue to work with the

3158
01:34:04,869 --> 01:34:06,170
community and staff on your pd

3159
01:34:06,170 --> 01:34:08,373
and then come back before you

3160
01:34:08,373 --> 01:34:09,440
with that whole bundle of

3161
01:34:09,440 --> 01:34:12,310
entitlements that gives us this

3162
01:34:12,310 --> 01:34:13,945
plan that we want to see here

3163
01:34:13,945 --> 01:34:15,580
for everlee farms.

3164
01:34:15,580 --> 01:34:16,681
This map helped frame out some

3165
01:34:16,681 --> 01:34:18,115
of the discussion and just

3166
01:34:18,115 --> 01:34:19,751
remind us of all the things that

3167
01:34:19,751 --> 01:34:21,151
MAY get lost in the details or

3168
01:34:21,151 --> 01:34:22,353
the policies.

3169
01:34:22,353 --> 01:34:23,553
So on the left hand of the

3170
01:34:23,553 --> 01:34:25,857
screen, trying to just frame out

3171
01:34:25,857 --> 01:34:26,524
for us the 4,000 acres that we

3172
01:34:26,524 --> 01:34:28,524
know.

3173
01:34:28,927 --> 01:34:30,128
During your special area study

3174
01:34:30,128 --> 01:34:30,394
process, we had different

3175
01:34:30,394 --> 01:34:31,996
scenarios.

3176
01:34:31,996 --> 01:34:34,565
Your regulations tell us, give

3177
01:34:34,565 --> 01:34:35,320
us a built scenario,

3178
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:36,134
conservation scenario.

3179
01:34:36,134 --> 01:34:37,802
Here the scenario we have in

3180
01:34:37,802 --> 01:34:39,437
front of us is a third iteration

3181
01:34:39,437 --> 01:34:40,839
of it and how we achieve.

3182
01:34:40,839 --> 01:34:42,607
And really when we think through

3183
01:34:42,607 --> 01:34:44,800
it of how we are clustered or

3184
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,800
honed in development to what's

3185
01:34:47,780 --> 01:34:49,470
represented as this 997 acres

3186
01:34:49,470 --> 01:34:50,148
that has gotten through the

3187
01:34:50,148 --> 01:34:51,150
transfer development rights over

3188
01:34:51,150 --> 01:34:52,217
into that.

3189
01:34:52,217 --> 01:34:53,585
So additional conservation lands

3190
01:34:53,585 --> 01:34:57,255
will be had beyond what you see

3191
01:34:57,255 --> 01:34:59,658
here in your special area study.

3192
01:34:59,658 --> 01:35:01,292
I'd like to invite up austin

3193
01:35:01,292 --> 01:35:03,361
because he's one of our members

3194
01:35:03,361 --> 01:35:03,594
to discuss what is the project

3195
01:35:03,594 --> 01:35:05,230
vision.

3196
01:35:05,230 --> 01:35:06,231
He'll then walk it over to

3197
01:35:06,231 --> 01:35:07,632
victor dover.

3198
01:35:07,632 --> 01:35:09,670
I'll come back again and give

3199
01:35:09,670 --> 01:35:10,602
you a little bit of preview and

3200
01:35:10,602 --> 01:35:13,400
then we'll clean up withdrew

3201
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:14,639
holly and our engineers to

3202
01:35:14,639 --> 01:35:15,607
answer those public

3203
01:35:15,607 --> 01:35:16,341
infrastructure issues and go

3204
01:35:16,341 --> 01:35:16,842
into rebuttal.

3205
01:35:16,842 --> 01:35:17,709
Thank you.

3206
01:35:17,709 --> 01:35:19,709
>> chair: austin, welcome.

3207
01:35:19,845 --> 01:35:20,979
>> good evening.

3208
01:35:20,979 --> 01:35:22,614
I'm humbled to be here,

3209
01:35:22,614 --> 01:35:24,716
appreciate you guys bearing with

3210
01:35:24,716 --> 01:35:26,117
us through this.

3211
01:35:26,117 --> 01:35:28,319
I am austin roberts, PRESIDENT

3212
01:35:28,319 --> 01:35:30,154
Of the roberts companies,

3213
01:35:30,154 --> 01:35:32,154
landowner and applicant.

3214
01:35:33,258 --> 01:35:33,525
I'm a 7th generation north

3215
01:35:33,525 --> 01:35:34,526
floridian.

3216
01:35:34,526 --> 01:35:35,861
My

3217
01:35:35,861 --> 01:35:38,396
my family live here in alachua

3218
01:35:38,396 --> 01:35:40,231
county and my kids go to school

3219
01:35:40,231 --> 01:35:40,499
right around the corner of this

3220
01:35:40,499 --> 01:35:42,499
property.

3221
01:35:43,202 --> 01:35:43,935
It has become near and dear to

3222
01:35:43,935 --> 01:35:45,170
our hearts.

3223
01:35:45,170 --> 01:35:45,636
>> we're probably distantly

3224
01:35:45,636 --> 01:35:45,971
related.

3225
01:35:45,971 --> 01:35:47,339
>> yes.

3226
01:35:47,339 --> 01:35:50,743
Well, you wouldn't be the only

3227
01:35:50,743 --> 01:35:51,643
one, I sure you.

3228
01:35:51,643 --> 01:35:53,379
[Laughter]

3229
01:35:53,379 --> 01:35:55,313
Everlee farms represents the

3230
01:35:55,313 --> 01:35:57,849
remaining 996 acres ever a once

3231
01:35:57,849 --> 01:35:59,385
larger over 4,000-acre farm

3232
01:35:59,385 --> 01:36:01,190
owned by the lee family.

3233
01:36:01,190 --> 01:36:02,755
As has been stated here tonight,

3234
01:36:02,755 --> 01:36:04,423
over 26 acres, almost 27 acres

3235
01:36:04,423 --> 01:36:07,159
have already been conveyed and

3236
01:36:07,159 --> 01:36:08,794
under the stewardship of ifas.

3237
01:36:08,794 --> 01:36:09,895
580 acres were donated to the

3238
01:36:09,895 --> 01:36:11,630
university of florida for their

3239
01:36:11,630 --> 01:36:14,934
new golf course which you all

3240
01:36:14,934 --> 01:36:16,802
voted on a couple of months ago.

3241
01:36:16,802 --> 01:36:17,350
This is the evolution of this

3242
01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:19,350
process.

3243
01:36:19,104 --> 01:36:23,242
We are here at the finish line

3244
01:36:23,242 --> 01:36:24,900
of what we set forward to do and

3245
01:36:24,900 --> 01:36:25,244
a great plan.

3246
01:36:25,244 --> 01:36:27,647
I think you'll see tonight

3247
01:36:27,647 --> 01:36:28,947
through the experts that I have

3248
01:36:28,947 --> 01:36:30,182
here that we will answer a lot

3249
01:36:30,182 --> 01:36:31,250
of your questions and concerns.

3250
01:36:31,250 --> 01:36:32,218
From the beginning, our goal has

3251
01:36:32,218 --> 01:36:33,219
been to create something

3252
01:36:33,219 --> 01:36:34,420
special, something that

3253
01:36:34,420 --> 01:36:36,389
preserves meaningful agriculture

3254
01:36:36,389 --> 01:36:38,658
and open space, creates a

3255
01:36:38,658 --> 01:36:40,326
walkable connected community.

3256
01:36:40,326 --> 01:36:42,728
My family has a long history of

3257
01:36:42,728 --> 01:36:43,620
being passionately involved in

3258
01:36:43,620 --> 01:36:44,596
agriculture.

3259
01:36:44,596 --> 01:36:45,631
I had the privilege of growing

3260
01:36:45,631 --> 01:36:47,666
up here in north florida.

3261
01:36:47,666 --> 01:36:48,868
I have fond memories as a kid

3262
01:36:48,868 --> 01:36:50,736
walking through the woods many

3263
01:36:50,736 --> 01:36:52,371
times and picking blackberries

3264
01:36:52,371 --> 01:36:53,272
and enjoying the outdoors.

3265
01:36:53,272 --> 01:36:54,874
My intention with this project

3266
01:36:54,874 --> 01:36:56,760
is to bring some of that to the

3267
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:58,277
people of this community and the

3268
01:36:58,277 --> 01:36:58,511
people that will be able to live

3269
01:36:58,511 --> 01:36:59,578
here.

3270
01:36:59,578 --> 01:37:02,480
To build a special place where

3271
01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:03,583
you can leave your front porch,

3272
01:37:03,583 --> 01:37:05,951
walk miles of trails, experience

3273
01:37:05,951 --> 01:37:07,720
nature and wildlife all along

3274
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:08,821
the way and to have our kids

3275
01:37:08,821 --> 01:37:10,656
grow up and know where their

3276
01:37:10,656 --> 01:37:11,891
food comes from.

3277
01:37:11,891 --> 01:37:13,293
And to have the opportunity to

3278
01:37:13,293 --> 01:37:14,360
get their hands dirty and have

3279
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:16,562
the opportunity to do that in

3280
01:37:16,562 --> 01:37:16,796
the community in which they live

3281
01:37:16,796 --> 01:37:18,665
in.

3282
01:37:18,665 --> 01:37:20,660
So I've been blessed to have

3283
01:37:20,660 --> 01:37:21,167
that exposure and that

3284
01:37:21,167 --> 01:37:24,167
opportunity, but bringing it to

3285
01:37:24,236 --> 01:37:26,205
the place where people live is a

3286
01:37:26,205 --> 01:37:27,841
new alternative and really I

3287
01:37:27,841 --> 01:37:29,709
think the path forward for that

3288
01:37:29,709 --> 01:37:31,100
sort of exposure and education,

3289
01:37:31,100 --> 01:37:32,979
that part we're excited about

3290
01:37:32,979 --> 01:37:35,480
and is a primary pillar of what

3291
01:37:35,480 --> 01:37:37,516
set us on this path.

3292
01:37:37,516 --> 01:37:39,219
And, you know, I think that the

3293
01:37:39,219 --> 01:37:41,870
vision for this place is built

3294
01:37:41,870 --> 01:37:42,550
around blending a walkable

3295
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:44,357
traditional neighborhood with a

3296
01:37:44,357 --> 01:37:46,250
large working farm set within

3297
01:37:46,250 --> 01:37:47,627
over 200 acres of agriculture.

3298
01:37:47,627 --> 01:37:48,628
You'll hear us talk about the

3299
01:37:48,628 --> 01:37:52,165
working farm tonight and we can

3300
01:37:52,165 --> 01:37:54,534
give you a lot more detail on

3301
01:37:54,534 --> 01:37:55,302
the BMPs of the neighborhood

3302
01:37:55,302 --> 01:37:56,936
itself.

3303
01:37:56,936 --> 01:37:59,472
That working farm component, the

3304
01:37:59,472 --> 01:38:01,107
nuance of that being a minimum

3305
01:38:01,107 --> 01:38:02,309
of 20 acres, don't let that take

3306
01:38:02,309 --> 01:38:03,810
away from the fact that we also

3307
01:38:03,810 --> 01:38:04,811
have agreed and set aside

3308
01:38:04,811 --> 01:38:05,712
200 acres of agriculture and

3309
01:38:05,712 --> 01:38:07,213
open space.

3310
01:38:07,213 --> 01:38:08,648
It could be a variety of uses.

3311
01:38:08,648 --> 01:38:09,215
I know you had some questions on

3312
01:38:09,215 --> 01:38:11,500
that earlier.

3313
01:38:11,500 --> 01:38:13,253
We'll walk you through that.

3314
01:38:13,253 --> 01:38:14,988
I think looking at it from a

3315
01:38:14,988 --> 01:38:17,560
master plan perspective, with

3316
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:19,259
the long view, was important on

3317
01:38:19,259 --> 01:38:22,195
how we actually introduced these

3318
01:38:22,195 --> 01:38:24,397
ideas and put them into practice

3319
01:38:24,397 --> 01:38:26,797
versus, you know, the

3320
01:38:28,268 --> 01:38:30,668
alternative of dirt dobbing 100

3321
01:38:32,172 --> 01:38:32,573
lot or 200 lot that bring no

3322
01:38:32,573 --> 01:38:33,907
community value.

3323
01:38:33,907 --> 01:38:34,141
You have heard me say this

3324
01:38:34,141 --> 01:38:35,675
before.

3325
01:38:35,675 --> 01:38:36,743
But the opportunity and the

3326
01:38:36,743 --> 01:38:38,512
reason I got passionate is

3327
01:38:38,512 --> 01:38:41,114
because it gave us a chance to

3328
01:38:41,114 --> 01:38:42,549
have a master plan approach to a

3329
01:38:42,549 --> 01:38:42,816
15, 20-year vision and a

3330
01:38:42,816 --> 01:38:43,984
solution.

3331
01:38:43,984 --> 01:38:44,818
And how that through that

3332
01:38:44,818 --> 01:38:46,190
opportunity, you can bring value

3333
01:38:46,190 --> 01:38:47,888
to the greater community.

3334
01:38:47,888 --> 01:38:48,889
Not only the people that live

3335
01:38:48,889 --> 01:38:51,291
here, but the people who are in

3336
01:38:51,291 --> 01:38:52,492
this community.

3337
01:38:52,492 --> 01:38:54,461
I live here and value the people

3338
01:38:54,461 --> 01:38:55,996
of this community.

3339
01:38:55,996 --> 01:38:57,331
We spent a tremendous amount of

3340
01:38:57,331 --> 01:38:58,298
time engaging with nearby

3341
01:38:58,298 --> 01:38:58,565
residents and the broader

3342
01:38:58,565 --> 01:38:59,733
community.

3343
01:38:59,733 --> 01:39:01,350
Those conversations have helped

3344
01:39:01,350 --> 01:39:02,235
inform this vision.

3345
01:39:02,235 --> 01:39:06,435
We have been able to take some

3346
01:39:07,607 --> 01:39:08,409
of that feedback and, you know,

3347
01:39:08,409 --> 01:39:10,444
effectively make it something

3348
01:39:10,444 --> 01:39:10,644
that we can build and be proud

3349
01:39:10,644 --> 01:39:12,644
of.

3350
01:39:14,481 --> 01:39:15,816
I'll tell you, you know, the

3351
01:39:15,816 --> 01:39:16,830
county requires one public

3352
01:39:16,830 --> 01:39:18,830
workshop.

3353
01:39:18,419 --> 01:39:20,721
We have done five.

3354
01:39:20,721 --> 01:39:21,550
The requirement for notices, we

3355
01:39:21,550 --> 01:39:22,956
doubled.

3356
01:39:22,956 --> 01:39:24,225
If it split a street, we sent it

3357
01:39:24,225 --> 01:39:25,250
to the other side of the street

3358
01:39:25,250 --> 01:39:25,860
just to be careful.

3359
01:39:25,860 --> 01:39:27,762
There is nothing about this

3360
01:39:27,762 --> 01:39:29,130
project that's been a shortcut.

3361
01:39:29,130 --> 01:39:31,197
We have been here for months and

3362
01:39:31,197 --> 01:39:32,633
months and years to get here.

3363
01:39:32,633 --> 01:39:33,300
So you all know that and have

3364
01:39:33,300 --> 01:39:35,269
felt that.

3365
01:39:35,269 --> 01:39:36,300
So bear with us through this

3366
01:39:36,300 --> 01:39:36,971
long presentation.

3367
01:39:36,971 --> 01:39:39,971
Again nothing about this has

3368
01:39:39,973 --> 01:39:40,942
been short.

3369
01:39:40,942 --> 01:39:42,476
You know, we are grateful for

3370
01:39:42,476 --> 01:39:43,244
the opportunity to work closely

3371
01:39:43,244 --> 01:39:45,644
with the county staff.

3372
01:39:45,646 --> 01:39:47,181
I will say I know you guys are

3373
01:39:47,181 --> 01:39:48,950
probably pretty proud of them.

3374
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:49,250
This is a very sophisticated

3375
01:39:49,250 --> 01:39:50,484
staff.

3376
01:39:50,484 --> 01:39:52,118
Give them their due.

3377
01:39:52,118 --> 01:39:52,320
It has been a joy working with

3378
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:53,754
them.

3379
01:39:53,754 --> 01:39:55,723
It has not been easy which is a

3380
01:39:55,723 --> 01:39:57,580
good thing for the county, but

3381
01:39:57,580 --> 01:39:57,391
it has been a joy and very

3382
01:39:57,391 --> 01:39:58,393
professional.

3383
01:39:58,393 --> 01:40:00,962
I can tell you, we have been

3384
01:40:00,962 --> 01:40:02,630
very impressed.

3385
01:40:02,630 --> 01:40:05,466
We have worked tirelessly with

3386
01:40:05,466 --> 01:40:07,702
them throughout this project.

3387
01:40:07,702 --> 01:40:08,736
And to build a project that we

3388
01:40:08,736 --> 01:40:11,380
can all be proud of.

3389
01:40:11,380 --> 01:40:13,441
We and you and them and the

3390
01:40:13,441 --> 01:40:14,642
community at large.

3391
01:40:14,642 --> 01:40:16,611
Their questions, requirements,

3392
01:40:16,611 --> 01:40:17,478
guidance and careful review have

3393
01:40:17,478 --> 01:40:19,347
helped us strengthen the

3394
01:40:19,347 --> 01:40:20,448
proposal and bring this vision

3395
01:40:20,448 --> 01:40:21,749
together and what's in front of

3396
01:40:21,749 --> 01:40:23,517
you now and really what will be

3397
01:40:23,517 --> 01:40:25,919
in front of you at the pd.

3398
01:40:25,919 --> 01:40:27,755
So keep in mind obviously we are

3399
01:40:27,755 --> 01:40:27,989
able to walk through that detail

3400
01:40:27,989 --> 01:40:28,990
tonight.

3401
01:40:28,990 --> 01:40:31,225
a lot of that will live in the

3402
01:40:31,225 --> 01:40:33,128
pd and we will be back to you in

3403
01:40:33,128 --> 01:40:35,960
a month or so, two months.

3404
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:35,296
That's where a lot of that will

3405
01:40:35,296 --> 01:40:36,297
live.

3406
01:40:36,297 --> 01:40:38,660
We are actively working with

3407
01:40:38,660 --> 01:40:40,535
staff now on how we implement

3408
01:40:40,535 --> 01:40:42,935
those practices and procedures

3409
01:40:43,972 --> 01:40:44,238
and BMPs, best management

3410
01:40:44,238 --> 01:40:45,600
practices.

3411
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:46,874
We have invested significant

3412
01:40:46,874 --> 01:40:48,309
time and resources in studying

3413
01:40:48,309 --> 01:40:51,245
the property and working with

3414
01:40:51,245 --> 01:40:52,581
this experienced planning team

3415
01:40:52,581 --> 01:40:55,317
to balance future housing needs

3416
01:40:55,317 --> 01:40:56,184
with agriculture, environmental

3417
01:40:56,184 --> 01:40:57,419
stewardship and infrastructure

3418
01:40:57,419 --> 01:40:59,354
and quality of life.

3419
01:40:59,354 --> 01:41:00,555
As a community, with the

3420
01:41:00,555 --> 01:41:02,524
approval of this project, we can

3421
01:41:02,524 --> 01:41:04,292
really set the bar and become a

3422
01:41:04,292 --> 01:41:05,460
leader in the region with this

3423
01:41:05,460 --> 01:41:06,661
resilient community that

3424
01:41:06,661 --> 01:41:08,661
integrates both agriculture,

3425
01:41:09,297 --> 01:41:10,265
nature, along with

3426
01:41:10,265 --> 01:41:11,600
with the growing

3427
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:14,000
need for housing opportunities.

3428
01:41:14,502 --> 01:41:15,636
So that our kids, my kids, your

3429
01:41:15,636 --> 01:41:17,238
kids and families can continue

3430
01:41:17,238 --> 01:41:18,607
to afford to live here and work

3431
01:41:18,607 --> 01:41:19,908
here and build businesses here.

3432
01:41:19,908 --> 01:41:21,209
And that is our goal.

3433
01:41:21,209 --> 01:41:22,611
I have three kids and I sure

3434
01:41:22,611 --> 01:41:23,745
hope that we continue to keep up

3435
01:41:23,745 --> 01:41:26,248
with the availability for them

3436
01:41:26,248 --> 01:41:27,249
to afford to be able to stay

3437
01:41:27,249 --> 01:41:30,419
here, you know, live here and

3438
01:41:30,419 --> 01:41:32,419
work here.

3439
01:41:33,502 --> 01:41:33,617
We will address some of the

3440
01:41:33,617 --> 01:41:36,170
outstanding questions you guys

3441
01:41:36,124 --> 01:41:37,250
have, bear with us and a lot of

3442
01:41:37,250 --> 01:41:38,727
our presentation MAY get through

3443
01:41:38,727 --> 01:41:40,620
some of that for you.

3444
01:41:40,620 --> 01:41:41,296
We are obviously happy to answer

3445
01:41:41,296 --> 01:41:42,698
any questions you guys have at

3446
01:41:42,698 --> 01:41:43,298
the end if we have not touched

3447
01:41:43,298 --> 01:41:45,199
on it.

3448
01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:46,935
At this time, I would pass the

3449
01:41:46,935 --> 01:41:49,905
microphone off to victor dover

3450
01:41:49,905 --> 01:41:50,973
with dover cole and partners to

3451
01:41:50,973 --> 01:41:52,741
take the next step.

3452
01:41:52,741 --> 01:41:53,375
>> chair: thank you, austin.

3453
01:41:53,375 --> 01:41:53,808
MR. Dover, welcome.

3454
01:41:53,808 --> 01:41:55,611
>> good evening.

3455
01:41:55,611 --> 01:41:56,245
I actually have the fun part.

3456
01:41:56,245 --> 01:41:58,113
[Laughter]

3457
01:41:58,113 --> 01:41:59,214
I'm victor dover, town planner

3458
01:41:59,214 --> 01:42:00,749
and neighborhood designer.

3459
01:42:00,749 --> 01:42:02,584
Y'all all know design is not

3460
01:42:02,584 --> 01:42:03,953
something to be added on at the

3461
01:42:03,953 --> 01:42:04,887
end after all the big decisions

3462
01:42:04,887 --> 01:42:06,188
are already made.

3463
01:42:06,188 --> 01:42:06,889
It's something that has to be

3464
01:42:06,889 --> 01:42:09,289
there from the beginning.

3465
01:42:09,592 --> 01:42:09,792
It's been a pleasure to work on

3466
01:42:09,792 --> 01:42:11,792
this.

3467
01:42:12,228 --> 01:42:14,964
There are four fundamentals that

3468
01:42:14,964 --> 01:42:17,266
the lees and austin roberts and

3469
01:42:17,266 --> 01:42:17,733
ryan frankel set out for us.

3470
01:42:17,733 --> 01:42:19,268
It's historic.

3471
01:42:19,268 --> 01:42:21,303
And our job has been to test all

3472
01:42:21,303 --> 01:42:23,739
the policies that you are

3473
01:42:23,739 --> 01:42:25,739
considering transmitting tonight

3474
01:42:26,675 --> 01:42:29,450
against real-world streets and

3475
01:42:29,450 --> 01:42:31,445
blocks and building footprints

3476
01:42:33,783 --> 01:42:33,983
and the way the farm would work.

3477
01:42:33,983 --> 01:42:35,284
Like.

3478
01:42:35,284 --> 01:42:36,852
Although we will get in much

3479
01:42:36,852 --> 01:42:37,820
more of that detail when we come

3480
01:42:37,820 --> 01:42:40,220
back with a pd.

3481
01:42:44,159 --> 01:42:44,393
I'll give you a preview of that

3482
01:42:44,393 --> 01:42:46,393
tonight.

3483
01:42:46,695 --> 01:42:47,663
Just quickly, nature, that's

3484
01:42:47,663 --> 01:42:48,864
reminding us of the idea that

3485
01:42:48,864 --> 01:42:50,198
you have heard a lot about

3486
01:42:50,198 --> 01:42:52,835
tonight about how thousands of

3487
01:42:52,835 --> 01:42:55,400
acres have already been placed

3488
01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:56,438
under conservation stewardship.

3489
01:42:56,438 --> 01:42:58,574
And we like the idea that green

3490
01:42:58,574 --> 01:42:59,942
florida will be at your

3491
01:42:59,942 --> 01:43:01,942
doorstep, this place.

3492
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:04,113
So in the neighborhood design

3493
01:43:04,113 --> 01:43:06,182
job, it is part of our

3494
01:43:06,182 --> 01:43:06,515
application to design the

3495
01:43:06,515 --> 01:43:07,817
doorstep.

3496
01:43:07,817 --> 01:43:10,119
To design that connection.

3497
01:43:10,119 --> 01:43:11,187
And not to just have the big

3498
01:43:11,187 --> 01:43:13,389
protected green florida nature

3499
01:43:13,389 --> 01:43:15,580
be something across a road, but

3500
01:43:15,580 --> 01:43:18,658
have it be something that can

3501
01:43:19,328 --> 01:43:20,864
come into the community and come

3502
01:43:20,864 --> 01:43:22,598
and weave and integrate with the

3503
01:43:22,598 --> 01:43:24,199
design of the neighborhoods.

3504
01:43:24,199 --> 01:43:28,999
And so I will show you some maps

3505
01:43:29,472 --> 01:43:30,807
to get across that idea.

3506
01:43:30,807 --> 01:43:32,675
Legacy is about taking the long

3507
01:43:32,675 --> 01:43:34,944
view in both senses of the word.

3508
01:43:34,944 --> 01:43:36,478
Designing since we have a big

3509
01:43:36,478 --> 01:43:38,140
canvas and phenomenal for

3510
01:43:38,140 --> 01:43:39,782
preserving long views across

3511
01:43:39,782 --> 01:43:40,216
open space, that's the obvious

3512
01:43:40,216 --> 01:43:42,216
one.

3513
01:43:42,519 --> 01:43:44,587
Obviously, the long view across

3514
01:43:44,587 --> 01:43:45,355
the horizon in terms of

3515
01:43:45,355 --> 01:43:47,755
stewardship and the business

3516
01:43:55,198 --> 01:43:55,632
plan, the very definition of

3517
01:43:55,632 --> 01:43:57,632
sustainable.

3518
01:43:58,702 --> 01:44:01,400
You will hear from justin myers

3519
01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:02,720
and just the idea that you go

3520
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:04,941
with your neighbors and get

3521
01:44:04,941 --> 01:44:08,541
ahold of what's in season and

3522
01:44:11,581 --> 01:44:14,581
your children would have that

3523
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:19,920
awareness that austin indicated.

3524
01:44:19,923 --> 01:44:22,893
On one hand, it means freedom

3525
01:44:22,893 --> 01:44:23,759
and connection because the

3526
01:44:23,759 --> 01:44:25,161
walkable community will be set

3527
01:44:25,161 --> 01:44:26,596
up so that you have lots of

3528
01:44:26,596 --> 01:44:28,231
choices about how to move about

3529
01:44:28,231 --> 01:44:29,866
and go from here to there,

3530
01:44:29,866 --> 01:44:31,168
including walking, biking,

3531
01:44:31,168 --> 01:44:32,736
transit, making short trips even

3532
01:44:32,736 --> 01:44:34,371
if you drive.

3533
01:44:34,371 --> 01:44:36,540
It's also about something else

3534
01:44:36,540 --> 01:44:39,750
which is lining those paths,

3535
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:40,611
those sidewalks and those trails

3536
01:44:40,611 --> 01:44:41,411
with front porch culture, so you

3537
01:44:41,411 --> 01:44:44,414
can get to know your neighbors

3538
01:44:44,414 --> 01:44:46,850
and you can have healthier,

3539
01:44:46,850 --> 01:44:48,218
happier families.

3540
01:44:48,218 --> 01:44:49,787
Now, I won't read all this to

3541
01:44:49,787 --> 01:44:51,889
you, but we were making notes to

3542
01:44:51,889 --> 01:44:53,624
ourselves about all the things

3543
01:44:53,624 --> 01:44:56,624
that have been accumulating over

3544
01:44:57,127 --> 01:44:57,394
the last 30 years in county

3545
01:44:57,394 --> 01:44:59,394
policies.

3546
01:45:00,397 --> 01:45:00,798
You have been eding us to this

3547
01:45:00,798 --> 01:45:02,700
point.

3548
01:45:02,700 --> 01:45:04,134
Basically saying bring alachua

3549
01:45:04,134 --> 01:45:06,537
county what it really deserves

3550
01:45:06,537 --> 01:45:06,737
in terms of the neighborhood

3551
01:45:06,737 --> 01:45:08,138
form.

3552
01:45:08,138 --> 01:45:09,380
I think we have an example in

3553
01:45:09,380 --> 01:45:10,374
the making sure.

3554
01:45:10,374 --> 01:45:12,143
I will try to describe to you a

3555
01:45:12,143 --> 01:45:13,110
little bit why we believe that's

3556
01:45:13,110 --> 01:45:15,110
the case.

3557
01:45:17,470 --> 01:45:17,948
First, this word farmstead

3558
01:45:17,948 --> 01:45:18,249
deserves a little bit of

3559
01:45:18,249 --> 01:45:20,249
explanation.

3560
01:45:20,918 --> 01:45:23,918
In some ways the inspiration

3561
01:45:24,187 --> 01:45:26,256
truck austin when he visited new

3562
01:45:26,256 --> 01:45:27,557
field which is a community we

3563
01:45:27,557 --> 01:45:29,930
designed in martin county, also

3564
01:45:29,930 --> 01:45:30,294
known as the first time martin

3565
01:45:30,294 --> 01:45:32,694
county approved anything nearly

3566
01:45:40,805 --> 01:45:42,773
that big in 45 years.

3567
01:45:42,773 --> 01:45:45,375
It's part of the plan into and

3568
01:45:45,375 --> 01:45:47,144
connect with the human habitat,

3569
01:45:47,144 --> 01:45:48,445
the settlement and to put the

3570
01:45:48,445 --> 01:45:48,679
farm at the center of community

3571
01:45:48,679 --> 01:45:50,679
life.

3572
01:45:51,849 --> 01:45:53,251
We didn't have the opportunity

3573
01:45:53,251 --> 01:45:54,819
in new field to design it with

3574
01:45:54,819 --> 01:45:56,988
the farmer in the room.

3575
01:45:56,988 --> 01:45:59,290
But here, we have.

3576
01:45:59,290 --> 01:46:02,890
Justin myers who runs the farm

3577
01:46:03,895 --> 01:46:05,950
at newfield inherited shapes and

3578
01:46:05,950 --> 01:46:07,732
geometries we put on the land

3579
01:46:07,732 --> 01:46:09,567
before he was on the job.

3580
01:46:09,567 --> 01:46:11,201
But here for everlee, we have

3581
01:46:11,201 --> 01:46:12,370
had justin working right beside

3582
01:46:12,370 --> 01:46:15,370
us actually thinking about how

3583
01:46:15,706 --> 01:46:16,908
the farm would operate.

3584
01:46:16,908 --> 01:46:18,109
Just to give you a little bit of

3585
01:46:18,109 --> 01:46:19,310
a window on what the design

3586
01:46:19,310 --> 01:46:20,311
process of this has been like,

3587
01:46:20,311 --> 01:46:21,613
it's been about starting with

3588
01:46:21,613 --> 01:46:22,480
the green parts which I have

3589
01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:24,480
said several times.

3590
01:46:25,116 --> 01:46:26,851
And then thinking about how the

3591
01:46:26,851 --> 01:46:29,851
networks, the green network, the

3592
01:46:30,691 --> 01:46:33,691
network of streets and the

3593
01:46:34,893 --> 01:46:37,262
network of trails and greenways

3594
01:46:37,262 --> 01:46:37,529
and the neighborhoods would go

3595
01:46:37,529 --> 01:46:38,796
together.

3596
01:46:38,796 --> 01:46:41,299
And so that's been kind of going

3597
01:46:41,299 --> 01:46:42,834
through a process of getting

3598
01:46:42,834 --> 01:46:43,801
more and more defined.

3599
01:46:43,801 --> 01:46:45,370
Our job at this point has been

3600
01:46:45,370 --> 01:46:46,804
to test the policies that are in

3601
01:46:46,804 --> 01:46:48,740
front of you to see whether we

3602
01:46:48,740 --> 01:46:50,909
have them right to be able to

3603
01:46:50,909 --> 01:46:51,976
design the ultimate thing that

3604
01:46:51,976 --> 01:46:53,111
austin has described.

3605
01:46:53,111 --> 01:46:55,413
This is the latest plan.

3606
01:46:55,413 --> 01:46:57,715
Of course, this MARCH draft

3607
01:46:57,715 --> 01:46:58,350
because it is subject to lots of

3608
01:46:58,350 --> 01:47:00,185
change.

3609
01:47:00,185 --> 01:47:03,185
But this is illustrating, for

3610
01:47:03,188 --> 01:47:06,240
example, the large lee family

3611
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:08,627
farmstead at the center of the

3612
01:47:08,627 --> 01:47:10,495
property and then how the

3613
01:47:10,495 --> 01:47:12,300
neighborhoods and hamlets are

3614
01:47:12,300 --> 01:47:13,899
arranged around it.

3615
01:47:13,899 --> 01:47:15,330
And it's quite large and so

3616
01:47:15,330 --> 01:47:16,835
there's a lot of details.

3617
01:47:16,835 --> 01:47:18,937
We are happy to bring these back

3618
01:47:18,937 --> 01:47:20,872
up and talk to any of the

3619
01:47:20,872 --> 01:47:21,206
crucial ones you have questions

3620
01:47:21,206 --> 01:47:22,774
about.

3621
01:47:22,774 --> 01:47:26,430
The fun part is thinking about

3622
01:47:26,430 --> 01:47:27,445
the what if, the vision of this.

3623
01:47:27,445 --> 01:47:31,383
And our favorite part of this is

3624
01:47:31,383 --> 01:47:33,510
the idea that nature at your

3625
01:47:33,510 --> 01:47:34,253
doorstep, you could take that

3626
01:47:34,253 --> 01:47:35,554
walk in the woods that austin

3627
01:47:35,554 --> 01:47:37,289
described and keep going on that

3628
01:47:37,289 --> 01:47:38,957
trail and arrive at your

3629
01:47:38,957 --> 01:47:41,359
friend's house or at the heart

3630
01:47:41,359 --> 01:47:42,761
of the community or back to your

3631
01:47:42,761 --> 01:47:44,730
home.

3632
01:47:44,730 --> 01:47:46,164
And that reweaving of things, so

3633
01:47:46,164 --> 01:47:48,000
that you don't have to have the

3634
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:48,900
situation found in so many of

3635
01:47:48,900 --> 01:47:49,968
our florida metropolitan areas

3636
01:47:49,968 --> 01:47:52,203
where nature is a thing you

3637
01:47:52,203 --> 01:47:53,805
drive your kids to see instead

3638
01:47:53,805 --> 01:47:55,574
of a thing that they can walk

3639
01:47:55,574 --> 01:47:56,775
out their door and see.

3640
01:47:56,775 --> 01:47:57,976
So that was the first kind of

3641
01:47:57,976 --> 01:48:00,145
big picture what if.

3642
01:48:00,145 --> 01:48:01,413
And just for fun, that

3643
01:48:01,413 --> 01:48:03,115
illustration that I've got on

3644
01:48:03,115 --> 01:48:03,881
the screen is actually a real

3645
01:48:03,881 --> 01:48:06,281
place in the plan.

3646
01:48:06,819 --> 01:48:07,919
It's imagining our extension,

3647
01:48:07,919 --> 01:48:09,520
voluntary extension of the

3648
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:11,520
conservation management area

3649
01:48:13,292 --> 01:48:15,461
deep into the land and how long

3650
01:48:15,461 --> 01:48:17,229
views will be created as you

3651
01:48:17,229 --> 01:48:18,963
exit one and enter the other

3652
01:48:18,963 --> 01:48:20,963
parts of it.

3653
01:48:21,267 --> 01:48:24,300
The other one of ideas shown in

3654
01:48:24,300 --> 01:48:24,937
one of the images that austin

3655
01:48:24,937 --> 01:48:26,405
showed is housing variety.

3656
01:48:26,405 --> 01:48:28,390
Of course, we will have houses,

3657
01:48:28,390 --> 01:48:30,242
detached houses of various

3658
01:48:30,242 --> 01:48:33,790
sizes, large and small on their

3659
01:48:33,790 --> 01:48:34,947
own lots but attached houses.

3660
01:48:34,947 --> 01:48:36,248
We will have multi-family

3661
01:48:36,248 --> 01:48:38,451
housing and a whole range, the

3662
01:48:38,451 --> 01:48:41,954
whole range of prices and sizes

3663
01:48:41,954 --> 01:48:43,355
to own and to rent, including

3664
01:48:43,355 --> 01:48:45,224
not putting them off into their

3665
01:48:45,224 --> 01:48:47,260
own areas by housing type, but

3666
01:48:47,260 --> 01:48:49,610
mixing them together so the

3667
01:48:49,610 --> 01:48:51,464
attached houses will be on the

3668
01:48:51,464 --> 01:48:53,966
same street facing the front

3669
01:48:53,966 --> 01:48:54,967
porches of the same green

3670
01:48:54,967 --> 01:48:55,701
tree-lined street that their

3671
01:48:55,701 --> 01:48:57,701
neighbors have.

3672
01:48:57,803 --> 01:48:59,772
The farm is similar.

3673
01:48:59,772 --> 01:49:01,808
We see this is not something

3674
01:49:01,808 --> 01:49:03,175
that is walled off or fenced off

3675
01:49:03,175 --> 01:49:04,811
from the community but rather

3676
01:49:04,811 --> 01:49:06,179
something that's across the

3677
01:49:06,179 --> 01:49:07,213
street from people's front

3678
01:49:07,213 --> 01:49:09,213
porches.

3679
01:49:09,615 --> 01:49:10,616
It's really, of course, meant to

3680
01:49:10,616 --> 01:49:12,318
be more than just food.

3681
01:49:12,318 --> 01:49:14,319
It's also a social condenser,

3682
01:49:14,319 --> 01:49:16,555
meant to bring people together.

3683
01:49:16,555 --> 01:49:19,492
We will have a couple of areas

3684
01:49:19,492 --> 01:49:20,793
where we get full-blown next use

3685
01:49:20,793 --> 01:49:22,762
main streets.

3686
01:49:22,762 --> 01:49:23,195
Here's one of those village core

3687
01:49:23,195 --> 01:49:25,195
ideas.

3688
01:49:25,364 --> 01:49:27,133
And this particular case, we're

3689
01:49:27,133 --> 01:49:28,434
looking at a place in the main

3690
01:49:28,434 --> 01:49:30,103
street we already saw and you

3691
01:49:30,103 --> 01:49:31,700
can see in the image, the

3692
01:49:31,700 --> 01:49:32,605
opportunity to bring it north

3693
01:49:32,605 --> 01:49:34,941
from archer road for a few

3694
01:49:34,941 --> 01:49:37,900
blocks and then bend it so that

3695
01:49:37,900 --> 01:49:37,844
your view is focused on

3696
01:49:37,844 --> 01:49:40,460
something important at the end

3697
01:49:40,460 --> 01:49:42,715
of the street in that little

3698
01:49:42,715 --> 01:49:44,784
white arrow you see on the map

3699
01:49:44,784 --> 01:49:45,351
shows the sort of directional

3700
01:49:45,351 --> 01:49:46,987
view of the sketch.

3701
01:49:46,987 --> 01:49:51,124
so you get the idea we do these

3702
01:49:51,124 --> 01:49:53,326
pictures as design because we

3703
01:49:53,326 --> 01:49:54,427
are age to hold them up to

3704
01:49:54,427 --> 01:49:55,629
austin and his team and say is

3705
01:49:55,629 --> 01:49:56,696
this what you meant, is this

3706
01:49:56,696 --> 01:49:57,797
what you intend and compare it

3707
01:49:57,797 --> 01:49:59,132
to other places.

3708
01:49:59,132 --> 01:50:00,634
You'll pick up in this image,

3709
01:50:00,634 --> 01:50:02,201
for example, showing one of the

3710
01:50:02,201 --> 01:50:04,601
neighborhood centers a very

3711
01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:08,800
deliberate attempt to achieve

3712
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:10,408
something as charming and

3713
01:50:10,977 --> 01:50:12,212
similar in scale to haile

3714
01:50:12,212 --> 01:50:13,914
village center.

3715
01:50:13,914 --> 01:50:14,447
The edges are the most important

3716
01:50:14,447 --> 01:50:16,447
parts.

3717
01:50:16,750 --> 01:50:19,720
And so here's a spot where one

3718
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:22,122
of the two large farm parcels

3719
01:50:22,122 --> 01:50:23,857
and the orchard and teaching

3720
01:50:23,857 --> 01:50:25,959
forest are adjacent to a

3721
01:50:25,959 --> 01:50:26,226
large-scale area that will be

3722
01:50:26,226 --> 01:50:27,361
preserved.

3723
01:50:27,361 --> 01:50:28,261
Adjacent to some of our

3724
01:50:28,261 --> 01:50:30,261
sensitive neighbors.

3725
01:50:32,990 --> 01:50:33,366
So to put that on a map, from

3726
01:50:33,366 --> 01:50:34,467
the green and protected areas

3727
01:50:34,467 --> 01:50:36,536
that are between their homes and

3728
01:50:36,536 --> 01:50:38,305
the new ones that we build, this

3729
01:50:38,305 --> 01:50:39,773
is the kind of thing you'll be

3730
01:50:39,773 --> 01:50:42,441
able to look across open space

3731
01:50:42,441 --> 01:50:43,977
and see.

3732
01:50:43,977 --> 01:50:45,412
So I've given you an idea of

3733
01:50:45,412 --> 01:50:46,847
kind of what the human habitat

3734
01:50:46,847 --> 01:50:48,382
parts of it are meant to be like

3735
01:50:48,382 --> 01:50:49,749
and what the edges are like.

3736
01:50:49,749 --> 01:50:51,385
I'd like to ask justin myers to

3737
01:50:51,385 --> 01:50:51,719
talk to you about the farm

3738
01:50:51,719 --> 01:50:53,153
itself.

3739
01:50:53,153 --> 01:50:55,153
>> chair: okay.

3740
01:50:55,255 --> 01:50:55,989
MR. Myers, welcome.

3741
01:50:55,989 --> 01:50:57,989
>> good evening.

3742
01:50:58,392 --> 01:50:59,793
My name is justin myers and I

3743
01:50:59,793 --> 01:51:01,793
work with agomennity.

3744
01:51:01,929 --> 01:51:03,297
We design and manage community

3745
01:51:03,297 --> 01:51:04,498
farms and farm amenities.

3746
01:51:04,498 --> 01:51:06,566
One of the questions that often

3747
01:51:06,566 --> 01:51:06,799
arises is what is a community

3748
01:51:06,799 --> 01:51:08,235
farm.

3749
01:51:08,235 --> 01:51:09,436
I think a farm can be a lot of

3750
01:51:09,436 --> 01:51:09,670
different things to different

3751
01:51:09,670 --> 01:51:11,670
people.

3752
01:51:12,806 --> 01:51:14,575
For us, when we think about a

3753
01:51:14,575 --> 01:51:16,577
farmstead community each as

3754
01:51:16,577 --> 01:51:17,845
everlee, it is taking authentic

3755
01:51:17,845 --> 01:51:18,712
agriculture and integrating into

3756
01:51:18,712 --> 01:51:19,813
the holistic design of the

3757
01:51:19,813 --> 01:51:21,813
neighborhood and community.

3758
01:51:22,249 --> 01:51:22,783
That's a lot of what victor just

3759
01:51:22,783 --> 01:51:24,518
shared with you.

3760
01:51:24,518 --> 01:51:26,253
How do you use the farm as this

3761
01:51:26,253 --> 01:51:27,388
dynamic resource that both for

3762
01:51:27,388 --> 01:51:30,388
the residents who live there,

3763
01:51:30,757 --> 01:51:31,725
but also the broader public can

3764
01:51:31,725 --> 01:51:34,125
participate and engage and

3765
01:51:34,362 --> 01:51:35,663
really get this resource that

3766
01:51:35,663 --> 01:51:37,531
can really approve their

3767
01:51:37,531 --> 01:51:38,766
day-to-day quality of life.

3768
01:51:38,766 --> 01:51:41,102
So on a simple level, that's

3769
01:51:41,102 --> 01:51:42,503
kind of like how we view this

3770
01:51:42,503 --> 01:51:44,438
farm can kind of benefit and

3771
01:51:44,438 --> 01:51:46,173
kind of be woven in.

3772
01:51:46,173 --> 01:51:47,942
And so during this talk, I'll

3773
01:51:47,942 --> 01:51:48,709
just kind of really state at

3774
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:50,709
pretty high level.

3775
01:51:51,212 --> 01:51:52,180
Some of y'all's questions I'll

3776
01:51:52,180 --> 01:51:54,715
slightly address and then happy

3777
01:51:54,715 --> 01:51:55,182
to chat more in-depth as well

3778
01:51:55,182 --> 01:51:56,150
afterwards.

3779
01:51:56,150 --> 01:51:57,785
Because there is -- I think the

3780
01:51:57,785 --> 01:52:00,540
farm is probably not like the

3781
01:52:00,540 --> 01:52:01,880
mystery box, but it can go in a

3782
01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:02,390
lot of different directions so

3783
01:52:02,390 --> 01:52:04,892
we want to kind of paint what

3784
01:52:04,892 --> 01:52:05,659
that picture is, as genuine and

3785
01:52:05,659 --> 01:52:07,659
authentically as possible.

3786
01:52:08,396 --> 01:52:08,729
So for everlee, 20-acre working

3787
01:52:08,729 --> 01:52:10,729
farm.

3788
01:52:11,465 --> 01:52:12,266
Really with the goal of growing

3789
01:52:12,266 --> 01:52:13,567
year-round diversified

3790
01:52:13,567 --> 01:52:15,336
vegetables, fruits and flowers,

3791
01:52:15,336 --> 01:52:17,271
potentially some like pasture

3792
01:52:17,271 --> 01:52:19,671
poultry or other livestock.

3793
01:52:19,806 --> 01:52:21,342
I think how you like choose to

3794
01:52:21,342 --> 01:52:22,877
integrate that into the land,

3795
01:52:22,877 --> 01:52:24,178
there's a lot of possibilities

3796
01:52:24,178 --> 01:52:25,279
around that.

3797
01:52:25,279 --> 01:52:27,348
All utilizing sustainable and

3798
01:52:27,348 --> 01:52:28,750
organic practices, as well as

3799
01:52:28,750 --> 01:52:30,552
like that best management

3800
01:52:30,552 --> 01:52:31,285
practices for like ecosystem and

3801
01:52:31,285 --> 01:52:33,285
community health.

3802
01:52:33,688 --> 01:52:35,123
I think oftentimes when you are

3803
01:52:35,123 --> 01:52:36,991
growing right in front of your

3804
01:52:36,991 --> 01:52:38,960
neighbors and we have farms in

3805
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:40,128
both texas and florida and

3806
01:52:40,128 --> 01:52:42,764
there's literally -- one of our

3807
01:52:42,764 --> 01:52:44,398
projects in texas is a front

3808
01:52:44,398 --> 01:52:46,670
forge like 30 feet from where

3809
01:52:46,670 --> 01:52:48,670
the farm starts.

3810
01:52:49,371 --> 01:52:50,538
At newfield that victor shared,

3811
01:52:50,538 --> 01:52:52,507
they are right across the way

3812
01:52:52,507 --> 01:52:53,708
and watching what is happening.

3813
01:52:53,708 --> 01:52:54,108
It's literally like their front

3814
01:52:54,108 --> 01:52:55,430
yard.

3815
01:52:55,430 --> 01:52:57,112
What we are utilizing in terms

3816
01:52:57,112 --> 01:52:58,313
of growing practices or from

3817
01:52:58,313 --> 01:53:00,713
soil amendments or potentially

3818
01:53:00,715 --> 01:53:02,170
pest control, it's not only to

3819
01:53:02,170 --> 01:53:03,552
grow really healthy food, but

3820
01:53:03,552 --> 01:53:04,419
it's also like part of that

3821
01:53:04,419 --> 01:53:05,620
person's daily life.

3822
01:53:05,620 --> 01:53:08,590
So there's a lot of intention

3823
01:53:08,590 --> 01:53:12,930
and care that goes into that.

3824
01:53:12,930 --> 01:53:13,295
And then from the kind of

3825
01:53:13,295 --> 01:53:14,396
like -- I think when you get

3826
01:53:14,396 --> 01:53:15,697
into the farm, like the growing

3827
01:53:15,697 --> 01:53:16,798
of the food and like the

3828
01:53:16,798 --> 01:53:18,100
agricultural side is really like

3829
01:53:18,100 --> 01:53:19,301
the heart and the driver and

3830
01:53:19,301 --> 01:53:20,601
that's kind of like speaks to

3831
01:53:20,601 --> 01:53:22,371
that authenticity and then

3832
01:53:22,371 --> 01:53:23,672
layered on top of that is the

3833
01:53:23,672 --> 01:53:24,439
community programming and

3834
01:53:24,439 --> 01:53:26,439
community engagement piece.

3835
01:53:26,742 --> 01:53:28,276
But the food is a core part.

3836
01:53:28,276 --> 01:53:29,712
So that food access of how

3837
01:53:29,712 --> 01:53:31,880
people get connected to food,

3838
01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:33,181
whether that's through a csa

3839
01:53:33,181 --> 01:53:34,616
which is essentially like a

3840
01:53:34,616 --> 01:53:37,160
weekly membership program, like

3841
01:53:37,119 --> 01:53:38,754
a veggie share, farm box, like a

3842
01:53:38,754 --> 01:53:41,560
farm stand, farm store, that

3843
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:42,257
would be not only for the

3844
01:53:42,257 --> 01:53:43,692
everlee farm products but also

3845
01:53:43,692 --> 01:53:46,920
from potentially other local

3846
01:53:46,861 --> 01:53:48,263
farms and local food purveyors,

3847
01:53:48,263 --> 01:53:50,320
like being able to sell their

3848
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:50,799
goods that we're not producing

3849
01:53:50,799 --> 01:53:52,234
on site.

3850
01:53:52,234 --> 01:53:54,169
Which then expands the offerings

3851
01:53:54,169 --> 01:53:55,370
for both residents as well as

3852
01:53:55,370 --> 01:53:57,906
the general public around there,

3853
01:53:57,906 --> 01:53:59,575
being able to find local food

3854
01:53:59,575 --> 01:54:00,309
that's supporting alachua

3855
01:54:00,309 --> 01:54:02,144
county, supporting gainesville

3856
01:54:02,144 --> 01:54:05,144
and also supporting the small

3857
01:54:05,147 --> 01:54:05,414
businesses of farmers and food

3858
01:54:05,414 --> 01:54:07,414
purveyors.

3859
01:54:08,751 --> 01:54:10,152
And then from that, the reality

3860
01:54:10,152 --> 01:54:12,121
with farms there are many people

3861
01:54:12,121 --> 01:54:13,880
excited about local food and

3862
01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:14,657
literally people come up to us

3863
01:54:14,657 --> 01:54:15,958
and say I bought a house here

3864
01:54:15,958 --> 01:54:18,227
because of the farm and they

3865
01:54:18,227 --> 01:54:19,127
sign up for the csa, they join

3866
01:54:19,127 --> 01:54:21,127
the farm club.

3867
01:54:21,197 --> 01:54:21,430
But there's also folks who, you

3868
01:54:21,430 --> 01:54:22,865
know --

3869
01:54:22,865 --> 01:54:24,600
>> chair: what's a csa?

3870
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:25,801
>> it stands for community

3871
01:54:25,801 --> 01:54:27,801
supported agriculture.

3872
01:54:29,405 --> 01:54:30,706
And it's basically -- oftentimes

3873
01:54:30,706 --> 01:54:32,274
you'll hear it now described as

3874
01:54:32,274 --> 01:54:34,677
like a farm share or veggie box

3875
01:54:34,677 --> 01:54:38,800
or harvest box and it can be a

3876
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:40,800
weekly or biweekly.

3877
01:54:40,249 --> 01:54:41,550
Where you are essentially

3878
01:54:41,550 --> 01:54:42,752
getting four to eight items from

3879
01:54:42,752 --> 01:54:44,860
the farm each week.

3880
01:54:44,860 --> 01:54:44,820
Sometimes it can include other

3881
01:54:44,820 --> 01:54:46,155
products as well.

3882
01:54:46,155 --> 01:54:46,522
>> chair: yeah.

3883
01:54:46,522 --> 01:54:47,924
>> yeah.

3884
01:54:47,924 --> 01:54:49,759
But there's other people who are

3885
01:54:49,759 --> 01:54:50,359
less interested in like the

3886
01:54:50,359 --> 01:54:51,727
vegetable side.

3887
01:54:51,727 --> 01:54:53,830
But that farm can really still

3888
01:54:53,830 --> 01:54:55,565
be a resource for their life.

3889
01:54:55,565 --> 01:54:56,432
And that's everything from a

3890
01:54:56,432 --> 01:54:58,234
beautiful green space that they

3891
01:54:58,234 --> 01:55:01,236
are walking by in the morning or

3892
01:55:01,236 --> 01:55:02,238
they are taking and going on a

3893
01:55:02,238 --> 01:55:04,774
run, as well as kind of like

3894
01:55:04,774 --> 01:55:06,408
that connection to nature that

3895
01:55:06,408 --> 01:55:07,710
victor had mentioned.

3896
01:55:07,710 --> 01:55:09,312
Through education, doing like

3897
01:55:09,312 --> 01:55:11,712
targeted classes and workshops,

3898
01:55:12,181 --> 01:55:14,483
as well as like farm tours and

3899
01:55:14,483 --> 01:55:16,152
volunteer programs, spring break

3900
01:55:16,152 --> 01:55:17,453
day camp for kids, there's like

3901
01:55:17,453 --> 01:55:18,855
a full range of education that

3902
01:55:18,855 --> 01:55:20,623
can be woven in.

3903
01:55:20,623 --> 01:55:21,824
And then just that social hub,

3904
01:55:21,824 --> 01:55:23,824
that social connection.

3905
01:55:24,661 --> 01:55:25,862
I mean I think when we think

3906
01:55:25,862 --> 01:55:26,863
historically, food is part of

3907
01:55:26,863 --> 01:55:27,130
culture and brings people

3908
01:55:27,130 --> 01:55:28,565
together.

3909
01:55:28,565 --> 01:55:30,800
When you have a beautiful green

3910
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:33,736
space at the farm, having

3911
01:55:33,736 --> 01:55:35,705
whether a pizza night or

3912
01:55:35,705 --> 01:55:37,373
farm-to-table dinner or a movie

3913
01:55:37,373 --> 01:55:39,642
night, some of our farms, really

3914
01:55:39,642 --> 01:55:41,511
the farm is used as the space

3915
01:55:41,511 --> 01:55:43,450
and not necessary about a

3916
01:55:43,450 --> 01:55:45,782
farm-specific program but a farm

3917
01:55:45,782 --> 01:55:45,982
as a beautiful space to exist

3918
01:55:45,982 --> 01:55:47,417
in.

3919
01:55:47,417 --> 01:55:49,285
I think when you layer on like

3920
01:55:49,285 --> 01:55:50,153
the true like agricultural

3921
01:55:50,153 --> 01:55:51,254
prduction and the food

3922
01:55:51,254 --> 01:55:53,189
production that's happening,

3923
01:55:53,189 --> 01:55:55,580
intoxication in addition

3924
01:55:55,580 --> 01:55:56,259
-- in addition to

3925
01:55:56,259 --> 01:55:57,360
this beautiful community

3926
01:55:57,360 --> 01:55:59,950
oriented space to bring people

3927
01:55:59,950 --> 01:56:00,263
together, a dynamic opportunity

3928
01:56:00,263 --> 01:56:02,398
to bring people together.

3929
01:56:02,398 --> 01:56:03,666
For everlee, it's both as a

3930
01:56:03,666 --> 01:56:05,135
benefit to the residents who

3931
01:56:05,135 --> 01:56:06,770
live there and the broader

3932
01:56:06,770 --> 01:56:09,372
public is invited into that.

3933
01:56:09,372 --> 01:56:10,940
Lastly as we go more broad, you

3934
01:56:10,940 --> 01:56:13,900
know, gainesville and alachua

3935
01:56:13,900 --> 01:56:13,610
county has a really great

3936
01:56:13,610 --> 01:56:15,412
agricultural network already.

3937
01:56:15,412 --> 01:56:17,180
So I think we really see everlee

3938
01:56:17,180 --> 01:56:18,480
as being like a node in the

3939
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:19,583
local food system.

3940
01:56:19,583 --> 01:56:20,984
And how can we support and be

3941
01:56:20,984 --> 01:56:21,985
part of that?

3942
01:56:21,985 --> 01:56:24,385
Whether through working with

3943
01:56:24,921 --> 01:56:26,123
local nonprofits, other local

3944
01:56:26,123 --> 01:56:28,325
farms, U.F. Ifas.

3945
01:56:28,325 --> 01:56:30,590
I think there's a lot of

3946
01:56:30,590 --> 01:56:31,594
opportunities of how everlee can

3947
01:56:31,594 --> 01:56:33,363
help strengthen that resiliency

3948
01:56:33,363 --> 01:56:35,865
and expand the surface area of

3949
01:56:35,865 --> 01:56:37,501
what the local food is here.

3950
01:56:37,501 --> 01:56:39,350
That's just kind of like a

3951
01:56:39,350 --> 01:56:40,170
high-level snapshot.

3952
01:56:40,170 --> 01:56:40,571
Happy to answer more questions

3953
01:56:40,571 --> 01:56:42,105
as well.

3954
01:56:42,105 --> 01:56:43,407
Lindsay is going to chat a

3955
01:56:43,407 --> 01:56:44,508
little bit more and then we can

3956
01:56:44,508 --> 01:56:45,375
chat again.

3957
01:56:45,375 --> 01:56:45,808
>> chair: okay, thank you,

3958
01:56:45,808 --> 01:56:47,808
justin.

3959
01:56:49,546 --> 01:56:49,846
>> thanks, justin.

3960
01:56:49,846 --> 01:56:51,615
Okay.

3961
01:56:51,615 --> 01:56:53,383
I'm going to walk you through a

3962
01:56:53,383 --> 01:56:55,885
couple of slides that really

3963
01:56:55,885 --> 01:56:57,821
fall into the pd preview element

3964
01:56:57,821 --> 01:56:59,256
and begin with kind of summary

3965
01:56:59,256 --> 01:56:59,789
of all of our community

3966
01:56:59,789 --> 01:57:01,789
meetings.

3967
01:57:02,159 --> 01:57:04,940
This follows that consumer

3968
01:57:04,940 --> 01:57:05,629
reports style of capturing what

3969
01:57:05,629 --> 01:57:07,131
did the community share with us

3970
01:57:07,131 --> 01:57:09,133
as their important aspects.

3971
01:57:09,133 --> 01:57:09,565
And then what did we do about

3972
01:57:09,565 --> 01:57:11,565
that.

3973
01:57:11,968 --> 01:57:13,637
And so some of them are, hey, we

3974
01:57:13,637 --> 01:57:16,106
want land use and character to

3975
01:57:16,106 --> 01:57:16,340
be reduced densities along the

3976
01:57:16,340 --> 01:57:17,874
edges.

3977
01:57:17,874 --> 01:57:20,177
You'll see that both in the

3978
01:57:20,177 --> 01:57:21,178
density assignment for our

3979
01:57:21,178 --> 01:57:23,347
farmstead character area as well

3980
01:57:23,347 --> 01:57:25,516
as when the pd rezoning is

3981
01:57:25,516 --> 01:57:26,817
presented to you, lot sizes

3982
01:57:26,817 --> 01:57:28,352
around and perimeter buffering

3983
01:57:28,352 --> 01:57:29,453
so they can maintain the

3984
01:57:29,453 --> 01:57:31,555
character and familiarity that

3985
01:57:31,555 --> 01:57:32,289
they are used to seeing on our

3986
01:57:32,289 --> 01:57:34,580
adjacent neighbors.

3987
01:57:34,580 --> 01:57:35,593
Some of it was more trails,

3988
01:57:35,593 --> 01:57:37,661
making sure that they have

3989
01:57:37,661 --> 01:57:40,610
connections both to outside

3990
01:57:41,499 --> 01:57:45,990
along parker, out to archer, but

3991
01:57:45,102 --> 01:57:46,737
also to lagonno and up to the

3992
01:57:46,737 --> 01:57:48,505
golf property.

3993
01:57:48,505 --> 01:57:49,907
Right now tracking on 16 miles

3994
01:57:49,907 --> 01:57:51,108
of trail with internal and

3995
01:57:51,108 --> 01:57:52,910
external connections.

3996
01:57:52,910 --> 01:57:54,945
We'll see that again in our pd.

3997
01:57:54,945 --> 01:57:57,447
Some of this is about preserving

3998
01:57:57,447 --> 01:57:59,417
the east-west connections on how

3999
01:57:59,417 --> 01:58:00,418
they see and utilize southwest

4000
01:58:00,418 --> 01:58:01,719
73rd and want to have that

4001
01:58:01,719 --> 01:58:03,254
connection and then how they do

4002
01:58:03,254 --> 01:58:04,589
not want connection through

4003
01:58:04,589 --> 01:58:06,890
vehicular traffic into haile.

4004
01:58:06,890 --> 01:58:08,226
We heard that loud and clear

4005
01:58:08,226 --> 01:58:09,327
coming out of our resolution at

4006
01:58:09,327 --> 01:58:10,795
the special area study.

4007
01:58:10,795 --> 01:58:11,896
And then following on justin's

4008
01:58:11,896 --> 01:58:13,664
line, inviting the neighbors to

4009
01:58:13,664 --> 01:58:17,264
be part of the working farm.

4010
01:58:17,802 --> 01:58:20,204
Part of that was this wasn't an

4011
01:58:20,204 --> 01:58:22,607
exclusive amenity or farm only

4012
01:58:22,607 --> 01:58:23,508
to the residents of everlee but

4013
01:58:23,508 --> 01:58:24,709
really community engagement.

4014
01:58:24,709 --> 01:58:26,444
Folks are welcome to come and

4015
01:58:26,444 --> 01:58:26,778
visit and see and be a part of

4016
01:58:26,778 --> 01:58:28,778
that.

4017
01:58:30,281 --> 01:58:31,149
Some elements, this plan is a

4018
01:58:31,149 --> 01:58:32,350
glamorized version if you will

4019
01:58:32,350 --> 01:58:33,318
of what will be the zoning

4020
01:58:33,318 --> 01:58:34,885
master plan that will come

4021
01:58:34,885 --> 01:58:37,155
before you and really want to

4022
01:58:37,155 --> 01:58:38,689
hit home what our character

4023
01:58:38,689 --> 01:58:39,991
areas are as far as clustering

4024
01:58:39,991 --> 01:58:41,859
development within the project

4025
01:58:41,859 --> 01:58:42,660
area and following some of the

4026
01:58:42,660 --> 01:58:45,129
guidelines that you have within

4027
01:58:45,129 --> 01:58:46,231
your policies already as far as

4028
01:58:46,231 --> 01:58:49,231
transitioning from the area to

4029
01:58:49,300 --> 01:58:50,680
the east, over moving to the

4030
01:58:50,680 --> 01:58:51,368
west to parker.

4031
01:58:51,368 --> 01:58:52,904
Some of the areas you see

4032
01:58:52,904 --> 01:58:54,239
highlighted are very specific

4033
01:58:54,239 --> 01:58:56,407
elements that the community

4034
01:58:56,407 --> 01:58:58,750
provided for us as areas they

4035
01:58:58,750 --> 01:58:58,776
want to see and commitments that

4036
01:58:58,776 --> 01:59:00,579
we have agreed to.

4037
01:59:00,579 --> 01:59:02,113
We have met with the carrollton

4038
01:59:02,113 --> 01:59:04,820
folks there and they want to see

4039
01:59:04,820 --> 01:59:05,183
this expanded buffer that's more

4040
01:59:05,183 --> 01:59:07,252
manicured that they can see as

4041
01:59:07,252 --> 01:59:08,553
they exit out of their

4042
01:59:08,553 --> 01:59:10,188
neighborhood and enter.

4043
01:59:10,188 --> 01:59:13,570
And expanding and not averaging,

4044
01:59:13,570 --> 01:59:13,825
but having a 100-foot buffer

4045
01:59:13,825 --> 01:59:15,126
undisturbed in that area around

4046
01:59:15,126 --> 01:59:15,560
that nook into the southern

4047
01:59:15,560 --> 01:59:16,862
area.

4048
01:59:16,862 --> 01:59:19,862
Again, this is like character

4049
01:59:21,466 --> 01:59:23,466
maintenance, mitigation of

4050
01:59:25,404 --> 01:59:26,605
things that would be new and

4051
01:59:26,605 --> 01:59:28,240
seeing areas for clearing that

4052
01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:31,176
you would see within our pd

4053
01:59:31,176 --> 01:59:32,210
rezoning application.

4054
01:59:32,210 --> 01:59:33,378
These are best practices that

4055
01:59:33,378 --> 01:59:34,813
either are a policy that's

4056
01:59:34,813 --> 01:59:37,315
before you tonight to transmit

4057
01:59:37,315 --> 01:59:38,830
out or will be part of our best

4058
01:59:38,830 --> 01:59:39,618
management plans that are

4059
01:59:39,618 --> 01:59:40,953
attached to our pd.

4060
01:59:40,953 --> 01:59:43,222
And they generally hit on things

4061
01:59:43,222 --> 01:59:44,956
that are already given to us,

4062
01:59:44,956 --> 01:59:46,358
that recipe out of the special

4063
01:59:46,358 --> 01:59:47,693
area study resolution.

4064
01:59:47,693 --> 01:59:49,461
We have talked about open space,

4065
01:59:49,461 --> 01:59:52,640
how that's provided on site and

4066
01:59:52,640 --> 01:59:54,933
then off-site to gain our

4067
01:59:54,933 --> 01:59:56,340
density, our water resources.

4068
01:59:56,340 --> 01:59:57,903
You walk through with staff what

4069
01:59:57,903 --> 01:59:58,404
we will see covering all those

4070
01:59:58,404 --> 02:00:00,404
elements.

4071
02:00:01,640 --> 02:00:02,975
And then affordability as far as

4072
02:00:02,975 --> 02:00:04,900
meeting in some of that policy

4073
02:00:04,900 --> 02:00:05,344
through transfer of development

4074
02:00:05,344 --> 02:00:06,177
rights and provision of

4075
02:00:06,177 --> 02:00:07,980
affordability and a mixture of

4076
02:00:07,980 --> 02:00:08,847
units that we see on our

4077
02:00:08,847 --> 02:00:10,715
project.

4078
02:00:10,715 --> 02:00:12,450
Again, we're here for policies,

4079
02:00:12,450 --> 02:00:13,252
transmit out for state and

4080
02:00:13,252 --> 02:00:14,519
regional review.

4081
02:00:14,519 --> 02:00:16,322
A lot of our questions are of

4082
02:00:16,322 --> 02:00:18,560
interest and our pd and just a

4083
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:19,592
sneak peek and preview into that

4084
02:00:19,592 --> 02:00:21,627
I think helps round out the

4085
02:00:21,627 --> 02:00:22,828
policies that are

4086
02:00:22,828 --> 02:00:23,620
I would like to invite up

4087
02:00:23,620 --> 02:00:23,963
drew.

4088
02:00:23,963 --> 02:00:25,831
Heel complete our presentation

4089
02:00:25,831 --> 02:00:26,631
for you and then we can go into

4090
02:00:26,631 --> 02:00:28,467
public comment or any comments

4091
02:00:28,467 --> 02:00:29,301
you MAY have, and we thank you

4092
02:00:29,301 --> 02:00:29,835
for your time.

4093
02:00:29,835 --> 02:00:30,669
>> thank you.

4094
02:00:30,669 --> 02:00:32,505
Thank you, lindsey.

4095
02:00:32,505 --> 02:00:34,505
All right, drew.

4096
02:00:34,773 --> 02:00:36,773
>> thank you, lindsey.

4097
02:00:37,209 --> 02:00:38,177
Commissioners, drew holly,

4098
02:00:38,177 --> 02:00:39,278
england, tims, and miller.

4099
02:00:39,278 --> 02:00:40,813
Just want to say staff did such

4100
02:00:40,813 --> 02:00:42,515
a wonderful job this evening.

4101
02:00:42,515 --> 02:00:46,519
they stole a lot of my thunder,

4102
02:00:46,519 --> 02:00:48,321
so I will make it as brief as I

4103
02:00:48,321 --> 02:00:50,321
possibly can.

4104
02:00:51,230 --> 02:00:51,457
Thank you all for having us here

4105
02:00:51,457 --> 02:00:53,250
this evening.

4106
02:00:53,250 --> 02:00:54,126
I wanted to hit on some of the

4107
02:00:54,126 --> 02:00:56,262
key tenants on the comp plan

4108
02:00:56,262 --> 02:00:57,263
before you this evening.

4109
02:00:57,263 --> 02:00:58,530
And really given you some

4110
02:00:58,530 --> 02:01:01,530
numbers associated with some of

4111
02:01:05,571 --> 02:01:06,672
the benefits that we see.

4112
02:01:06,672 --> 02:01:08,874
So looking at the transportation

4113
02:01:08,874 --> 02:01:09,475
and mobility fees we're looking

4114
02:01:09,475 --> 02:01:10,843
and estimating $20 million in

4115
02:01:10,843 --> 02:01:12,450
mobility fees to be paid over

4116
02:01:12,450 --> 02:01:12,712
time base on current rates and

4117
02:01:12,712 --> 02:01:13,110
based on the development

4118
02:01:13,110 --> 02:01:14,446
program.

4119
02:01:14,446 --> 02:01:17,446
And those mobility fees of

4120
02:01:17,784 --> 02:01:19,118
course as you know are used for

4121
02:01:19,118 --> 02:01:20,886
a number of things but moat leas

4122
02:01:20,886 --> 02:01:22,522
within the -- mostly within the

4123
02:01:22,522 --> 02:01:23,155
mobility district to improve

4124
02:01:23,155 --> 02:01:23,956
roadway segments and level of

4125
02:01:23,956 --> 02:01:25,525
service.

4126
02:01:25,525 --> 02:01:28,525
Chris hit earlier on utilities.

4127
02:01:29,462 --> 02:01:30,964
We do have capacity as evidenced

4128
02:01:30,964 --> 02:01:33,399
by gru's letter to us.

4129
02:01:33,399 --> 02:01:34,801
We've talked a lot about our

4130
02:01:34,801 --> 02:01:35,680
irrigation policies and water

4131
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:37,680
use.

4132
02:01:41,441 --> 02:01:42,975
We see that as a core tenant of

4133
02:01:42,975 --> 02:01:43,743
this proposal in front ofia

4134
02:01:43,743 --> 02:01:44,544
of

4135
02:01:44,544 --> 02:01:46,544
you this evening.

4136
02:01:48,715 --> 02:01:49,983
We have had conversations with

4137
02:01:49,983 --> 02:01:51,617
the fire chief about doimation

4138
02:01:51,617 --> 02:01:54,354
of a proposed fire site.

4139
02:01:54,354 --> 02:01:54,521
We have looked and as evidenced

4140
02:01:54,521 --> 02:01:56,521
bide

4141
02:01:57,156 --> 02:01:58,224
by chris' presentation

4142
02:01:58,224 --> 02:02:00,624
earlier there is currently

4143
02:02:01,461 --> 02:02:03,290
school capacity and we estimate

4144
02:02:03,290 --> 02:02:03,496
$7 million average in ad valorem

4145
02:02:03,496 --> 02:02:05,232
school taxes.

4146
02:02:05,232 --> 02:02:06,733
Lindsey mentioned earlier the

4147
02:02:06,733 --> 02:02:08,201
miles and miles of improved and

4148
02:02:08,201 --> 02:02:09,202
unimproved trails to serve both

4149
02:02:09,202 --> 02:02:11,602
residents and neighbors alike.

4150
02:02:11,671 --> 02:02:13,473
And really the innovative tdr

4151
02:02:13,473 --> 02:02:15,875
and affordability matrix that we

4152
02:02:15,875 --> 02:02:18,875
worked very hard and diligently

4153
02:02:19,479 --> 02:02:20,280
with staff to address two key

4154
02:02:20,280 --> 02:02:22,680
components of the county's

4155
02:02:24,384 --> 02:02:26,384
goals.

4156
02:02:26,686 --> 02:02:27,854
So lindsey kind of gave the

4157
02:02:27,854 --> 02:02:28,889
precursor to this timeline which

4158
02:02:28,889 --> 02:02:30,890
was the lead up to where we are

4159
02:02:30,890 --> 02:02:31,625
this evening, and I wanted to

4160
02:02:31,625 --> 02:02:35,225
kind of finish the timeline at

4161
02:02:36,563 --> 02:02:37,330
least to the next couple of

4162
02:02:37,330 --> 02:02:38,365
years.

4163
02:02:38,365 --> 02:02:40,534
So we stand here before you

4164
02:02:40,534 --> 02:02:42,336
tonight asking for transmitting

4165
02:02:42,336 --> 02:02:43,403
to the state and ultimately look

4166
02:02:43,403 --> 02:02:44,570
to be before you in OCTOBER for

4167
02:02:44,570 --> 02:02:45,339
an adoption hearing.

4168
02:02:45,339 --> 02:02:46,306
But during the next several

4169
02:02:46,306 --> 02:02:47,708
years, there is still a long

4170
02:02:47,708 --> 02:02:51,908
road to hoe as we move forward

4171
02:02:54,915 --> 02:02:55,983
with this project to finalize

4172
02:02:55,983 --> 02:02:57,284
preliminary development plans,

4173
02:02:57,284 --> 02:02:58,185
engineering and permitting,

4174
02:02:58,185 --> 02:02:59,152
geophysical testing we talked

4175
02:02:59,152 --> 02:03:00,887
about, all to make sure we get

4176
02:03:00,887 --> 02:03:03,230
the plan right, and that

4177
02:03:03,230 --> 02:03:04,224
ultimately culminates in final

4178
02:03:04,224 --> 02:03:06,224
development plan, permit

4179
02:03:07,461 --> 02:03:09,461
approvals, and construction.

4180
02:03:09,730 --> 02:03:10,631
We see, you know, homes going up

4181
02:03:10,631 --> 02:03:13,631
and families moving in, really

4182
02:03:16,837 --> 02:03:18,205
in the next three years or so.

4183
02:03:18,205 --> 02:03:19,273
As a part of that obviously

4184
02:03:19,273 --> 02:03:21,242
there is a component there that

4185
02:03:21,242 --> 02:03:21,975
I talked ability about earlier

4186
02:03:21,975 --> 02:03:23,110
with the impact and mobility

4187
02:03:23,110 --> 02:03:24,611
fees paid at certificate of

4188
02:03:24,611 --> 02:03:26,146
occupancy to make sure that the

4189
02:03:26,146 --> 02:03:28,546
infrastructure that's needed to

4190
02:03:29,150 --> 02:03:30,850
support these homes and families

4191
02:03:30,850 --> 02:03:34,187
is paid for and in place to be

4192
02:03:34,187 --> 02:03:36,590
able to support the proposed

4193
02:03:36,590 --> 02:03:38,525
development.

4194
02:03:38,525 --> 02:03:39,492
So one of the things we heard at

4195
02:03:39,492 --> 02:03:40,961
plan commission and we wanted to

4196
02:03:40,961 --> 02:03:43,300
address head on waw this

4197
02:03:43,300 --> 02:03:44,298
transportation component.

4198
02:03:44,298 --> 02:03:45,633
So I have many of my colleagues

4199
02:03:45,633 --> 02:03:49,233
here tonight who are much more

4200
02:03:50,404 --> 02:03:51,372
well versed in transportation

4201
02:03:51,372 --> 02:03:51,906
than I am but I will take the

4202
02:03:51,906 --> 02:03:53,541
first crack at it.

4203
02:03:53,541 --> 02:03:56,541
So our current analysis looked

4204
02:03:57,478 --> 02:03:59,130
at an internal capture rate of

4205
02:03:59,130 --> 02:03:59,813
only about 10%.

4206
02:03:59,813 --> 02:04:02,783
When compared to the region and

4207
02:04:02,783 --> 02:04:03,618
areas like the town of tioga and

4208
02:04:03,618 --> 02:04:04,885
haile plantation we believe that

4209
02:04:04,885 --> 02:04:06,854
MAY be a bit understated.

4210
02:04:06,854 --> 02:04:08,890
We see internal capture of

4211
02:04:08,890 --> 02:04:10,489
greater than 30% in those

4212
02:04:12,193 --> 02:04:13,270
areas.

4213
02:04:13,270 --> 02:04:14,528
Based on the development plan

4214
02:04:14,528 --> 02:04:15,763
that we have, the mix of uses

4215
02:04:15,763 --> 02:04:16,898
and the attractiveness of the

4216
02:04:16,898 --> 02:04:19,298
nonresidential elements we feel

4217
02:04:20,501 --> 02:04:22,536
certain that we are going to

4218
02:04:22,536 --> 02:04:23,805
create that internal capture

4219
02:04:23,805 --> 02:04:25,406
which keeps traffic volumes off

4220
02:04:25,406 --> 02:04:26,574
of local adjacent roadways and

4221
02:04:26,574 --> 02:04:28,843
inside of the development as

4222
02:04:28,843 --> 02:04:30,278
much as possible.

4223
02:04:30,278 --> 02:04:33,278
We talked earlier this evening

4224
02:04:34,515 --> 02:04:36,785
about a phasing threshold.

4225
02:04:36,785 --> 02:04:38,785
Limiting development to 50%

4226
02:04:40,288 --> 02:04:41,220
until the state road widening is

4227
02:04:41,220 --> 02:04:41,756
in the work plan.

4228
02:04:41,756 --> 02:04:44,756
We also talked about the

4229
02:04:45,126 --> 02:04:46,940
creation of an everlee specific

4230
02:04:46,940 --> 02:04:46,995
mobility district, and that

4231
02:04:46,995 --> 02:04:48,963
mobility district would be to

4232
02:04:48,963 --> 02:04:51,963
use to fund transit element

4233
02:04:56,738 --> 02:04:58,339
within the district including

4234
02:04:58,339 --> 02:04:59,941
circulator, a potential park and

4235
02:04:59,941 --> 02:05:01,576
ride side, bus stops, all of

4236
02:05:01,576 --> 02:05:02,444
those elements to be really

4237
02:05:02,444 --> 02:05:06,644
figured out in the future as we

4238
02:05:08,716 --> 02:05:09,850
work with staff.

4239
02:05:09,850 --> 02:05:10,885
I wanted to hit on something we

4240
02:05:10,885 --> 02:05:11,286
heard from you all this evening

4241
02:05:11,286 --> 02:05:13,286
and

4242
02:05:18,600 --> 02:05:19,728
evening and also from staff,

4243
02:05:19,728 --> 02:05:21,396
the slides that up are next is a

4244
02:05:21,396 --> 02:05:23,131
preview of what's to come with

4245
02:05:23,131 --> 02:05:24,732
the pd but wanted to address

4246
02:05:24,732 --> 02:05:25,801
them here as well.

4247
02:05:25,801 --> 02:05:28,370
We are certainly focused on

4248
02:05:28,370 --> 02:05:28,603
nutrient management, and water

4249
02:05:28,603 --> 02:05:30,603
quality.

4250
02:05:30,639 --> 02:05:32,740
Our water resources in florida

4251
02:05:32,740 --> 02:05:35,740
are of significant importance to

4252
02:05:41,917 --> 02:05:42,885
all of us that that starts on

4253
02:05:42,885 --> 02:05:44,386
the improvement side when we

4254
02:05:44,386 --> 02:05:44,820
talk about water quality that's

4255
02:05:44,820 --> 02:05:45,653
limiting nutrients.

4256
02:05:45,653 --> 02:05:46,822
Well we have had discussion

4257
02:05:46,822 --> 02:05:46,923
tonight with mary and other

4258
02:05:46,923 --> 02:05:48,556
-

4259
02:05:48,556 --> 02:05:50,826
members of staff who have talked

4260
02:05:50,826 --> 02:05:52,227
about our commitment to no

4261
02:05:52,227 --> 02:05:53,195
fertilizer on any of the

4262
02:05:53,195 --> 02:05:55,195
residential lots.

4263
02:05:56,310 --> 02:05:57,232
We've committed to a water

4264
02:05:57,232 --> 02:05:57,599
policy round an irrigation

4265
02:05:57,599 --> 02:05:59,599
budget.

4266
02:05:59,635 --> 02:06:00,869
We've committed to using the

4267
02:06:00,869 --> 02:06:03,869
lowest quality source of water

4268
02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:06,375
available to us and reuse

4269
02:06:06,375 --> 02:06:07,420
water.

4270
02:06:07,420 --> 02:06:09,440
We've committed to lot of

4271
02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:09,345
different things that are above

4272
02:06:09,345 --> 02:06:11,247
and beyond.

4273
02:06:11,247 --> 02:06:11,914
We've committed to the areas we

4274
02:06:11,914 --> 02:06:12,548
can actually irrigate within the

4275
02:06:12,548 --> 02:06:14,149
project.

4276
02:06:14,149 --> 02:06:15,784
So that's where it starts.

4277
02:06:15,784 --> 02:06:18,870
We talked a lot about limiting

4278
02:06:18,870 --> 02:06:18,353
the level of disturbance on the

4279
02:06:18,353 --> 02:06:20,353
site.

4280
02:06:21,890 --> 02:06:22,925
This is just an -- graphical

4281
02:06:22,925 --> 02:06:25,270
example of some lots potentially

4282
02:06:25,270 --> 02:06:28,397
backing up to the cma, and our

4283
02:06:28,397 --> 02:06:30,797
desire obviously to maintain

4284
02:06:31,300 --> 02:06:32,934
existing vegetation to not clear

4285
02:06:32,934 --> 02:06:34,870
trees where it's not necessary.

4286
02:06:34,870 --> 02:06:35,971
And to make sure that we

4287
02:06:35,971 --> 02:06:37,206
preserve the character and the

4288
02:06:37,206 --> 02:06:40,206
community that makes this place

4289
02:06:41,744 --> 02:06:42,878
special as it is today.

4290
02:06:42,878 --> 02:06:45,147
I want to talk a little bit

4291
02:06:45,147 --> 02:06:46,115
about our landscape best

4292
02:06:46,115 --> 02:06:49,115
management plan, again you heard

4293
02:06:49,518 --> 02:06:51,821
from staff this evening that

4294
02:06:51,821 --> 02:06:52,622
this plan really goes above and

4295
02:06:52,622 --> 02:06:54,457
beyond and you will see this

4296
02:06:54,457 --> 02:06:56,625
again in the pd, but really

4297
02:06:56,625 --> 02:06:59,250
using florida friendly, florida

4298
02:06:59,929 --> 02:07:00,763
native plants, setting an

4299
02:07:00,763 --> 02:07:02,999
irrigation budget, making sure

4300
02:07:02,999 --> 02:07:04,434
that we limit the amount of turf

4301
02:07:04,434 --> 02:07:06,669
grass which we know is a

4302
02:07:06,669 --> 02:07:08,671
constant driver of water use,

4303
02:07:08,671 --> 02:07:10,506
creating an irrigation utility

4304
02:07:10,506 --> 02:07:11,107
that will limit the amount of

4305
02:07:11,107 --> 02:07:13,107
irrigation that individual

4306
02:07:13,109 --> 02:07:14,377
residents are able to apply on

4307
02:07:14,377 --> 02:07:16,245
the landscape.

4308
02:07:16,245 --> 02:07:17,480
And so on and so forth.

4309
02:07:17,480 --> 02:07:19,715
This is something that we

4310
02:07:19,715 --> 02:07:21,784
believe strongly in, are really

4311
02:07:21,784 --> 02:07:22,852
committed to seeing this through

4312
02:07:22,852 --> 02:07:25,852
throughout in the enforcement of

4313
02:07:31,494 --> 02:07:35,310
this through the b mp process.

4314
02:07:35,310 --> 02:07:36,990
You know, I've had the pleasure

4315
02:07:36,990 --> 02:07:38,501
of working with austin and the

4316
02:07:38,501 --> 02:07:40,737
team behind me this evening, and

4317
02:07:40,737 --> 02:07:43,720
it is not lost on me that this

4318
02:07:43,720 --> 02:07:45,472
is a generational land.

4319
02:07:45,909 --> 02:07:47,510
And with generational land comes

4320
02:07:47,510 --> 02:07:49,780
very unique responsibilities.

4321
02:07:49,780 --> 02:07:51,130
This team behind you has one

4322
02:07:51,130 --> 02:07:53,116
opportunity to get it right, and

4323
02:07:53,116 --> 02:07:56,116
through working with staff, I

4324
02:07:56,386 --> 02:07:57,687
believe we have gotten it to a

4325
02:07:57,687 --> 02:07:57,887
point where we are getting it

4326
02:07:57,887 --> 02:07:59,887
right.

4327
02:08:00,890 --> 02:08:02,726
So with that in mind, I would

4328
02:08:02,726 --> 02:08:03,960
kindly ask you all to consider

4329
02:08:03,960 --> 02:08:05,362
transmitting this to the state,

4330
02:08:05,362 --> 02:08:07,364
and would be happy to take any

4331
02:08:07,364 --> 02:08:07,864
further questions.

4332
02:08:07,864 --> 02:08:08,799
>> okay.

4333
02:08:08,799 --> 02:08:11,199
Commissioners, any questions for

4334
02:08:12,702 --> 02:08:13,336
the applicant?

4335
02:08:13,336 --> 02:08:15,336
Commissioner prizzia, then

4336
02:08:15,338 --> 02:08:16,639
commissioner alford.

4337
02:08:16,639 --> 02:08:18,441
>> yeah, I guess a

4338
02:08:18,441 --> 02:08:19,910
quickly, how

4339
02:08:19,910 --> 02:08:21,111
do you anticipate the phasing of

4340
02:08:21,111 --> 02:08:22,979
the affordable housing going?

4341
02:08:22,979 --> 02:08:24,914
We currently don't have the

4342
02:08:24,914 --> 02:08:27,490
requirement, you know, for in

4343
02:08:27,490 --> 02:08:27,918
this anywhere of policy around

4344
02:08:27,918 --> 02:08:28,785
the affordable housing being at

4345
02:08:28,785 --> 02:08:30,420
the front end of the

4346
02:08:30,420 --> 02:08:31,922
development, but I do think, you

4347
02:08:31,922 --> 02:08:32,990
know, it's one of those things

4348
02:08:32,990 --> 02:08:35,580
that if it gets left to the end

4349
02:08:35,580 --> 02:08:36,994
it MAY never happen, if certain

4350
02:08:36,994 --> 02:08:38,494
phases don't go through or we

4351
02:08:38,494 --> 02:08:40,664
see it's 30 years or 40 years

4352
02:08:40,664 --> 02:08:42,165
before they happen so can you

4353
02:08:42,165 --> 02:08:42,966
just talk more for the community

4354
02:08:42,966 --> 02:08:44,201
to understand what you think of

4355
02:08:44,201 --> 02:08:44,283
in terms of how that affordable

4356
02:08:44,283 --> 02:08:45,202
-

4357
02:08:45,202 --> 02:08:46,102
housing will --

4358
02:08:46,102 --> 02:08:47,370
>> sure, yeah, we're working

4359
02:08:47,370 --> 02:08:48,271
with staff currently and I think

4360
02:08:48,271 --> 02:08:48,939
a lot of that will be in the pd

4361
02:08:48,939 --> 02:08:49,806
and the development agreement

4362
02:08:49,806 --> 02:08:51,975
that we're working in now.

4363
02:08:51,975 --> 02:08:53,643
So I think you'll see, you know,

4364
02:08:53,643 --> 02:08:54,378
sorry to continue --

4365
02:08:54,378 --> 02:08:55,312
>> no, that's fine.

4366
02:08:55,312 --> 02:08:56,480
>> but you know that is a part

4367
02:08:56,480 --> 02:08:59,349
of the process that we are in

4368
02:08:59,349 --> 02:09:01,551
now, and so our intent with that

4369
02:09:01,551 --> 02:09:02,519
is that that is not a, an after

4370
02:09:02,519 --> 02:09:04,488
thought or to come at the end

4371
02:09:04,488 --> 02:09:04,788
hat it's integrating

4372
02:09:04,788 --> 02:09:06,230
throughout.

4373
02:09:06,230 --> 02:09:06,790
I will tell you I don't think

4374
02:09:06,790 --> 02:09:08,459
it's economical to say that

4375
02:09:08,459 --> 02:09:10,728
there is some sort of one for

4376
02:09:10,728 --> 02:09:12,295
one or some sort of specific you

4377
02:09:12,295 --> 02:09:13,297
know ratio but I do think

4378
02:09:13,297 --> 02:09:14,731
that'll be integrated and there

4379
02:09:14,731 --> 02:09:16,200
is some language we can come up

4380
02:09:16,200 --> 02:09:18,502
with with staff to be integrated

4381
02:09:18,502 --> 02:09:20,704
into development agreement that

4382
02:09:20,704 --> 02:09:22,406
can, you know, say, you know, at

4383
02:09:22,406 --> 02:09:24,742
certain stages right that there

4384
02:09:24,742 --> 02:09:25,109
has to be those some sort of

4385
02:09:25,109 --> 02:09:26,810
criteria.

4386
02:09:26,810 --> 02:09:27,244
So we're committed to that.

4387
02:09:27,244 --> 02:09:28,712
>> slept, thank

4388
02:09:28,712 --> 02:09:30,314
-- slept, thank

4389
02:09:30,314 --> 02:09:31,515
-- excellent, thank you.

4390
02:09:31,515 --> 02:09:32,183
I did want to say

4391
02:09:32,183 --> 02:09:33,751
congratulations, I will tell you

4392
02:09:33,751 --> 02:09:35,318
you know we have had a few other

4393
02:09:35,318 --> 02:09:36,530
really big development type

4394
02:09:36,530 --> 02:09:37,454
projects happen in alachua

4395
02:09:37,454 --> 02:09:39,456
county and we've never had one

4396
02:09:39,456 --> 02:09:41,292
where there's an empty room or

4397
02:09:41,292 --> 02:09:42,727
very few people here that have

4398
02:09:42,727 --> 02:09:44,228
comments on the development.

4399
02:09:44,228 --> 02:09:45,596
And so I will say as a testament

4400
02:09:45,596 --> 02:09:46,496
to that five meetings that you

4401
02:09:46,496 --> 02:09:47,330
had in the community and

4402
02:09:47,330 --> 02:09:49,000
listening to your neighbors and

4403
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:50,201
hearing what they have to say,

4404
02:09:50,201 --> 02:09:52,904
and listening to us and what we

4405
02:09:52,904 --> 02:09:53,738
have to say through the sas

4406
02:09:53,738 --> 02:09:55,840
process and being willing to

4407
02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:57,410
work with our staff, so thank

4408
02:09:57,410 --> 02:09:58,175
you for at least coming, you

4409
02:09:58,175 --> 02:09:59,710
know, for coming to the table

4410
02:09:59,710 --> 02:10:01,679
with all of that work alread

4411
02:10:01,679 --> 02:10:03,214
being done.

4412
02:10:03,214 --> 02:10:04,549
And making sure that the

4413
02:10:04,549 --> 02:10:06,384
neighbors are excited about

4414
02:10:06,384 --> 02:10:08,486
having you as a neighbor.

4415
02:10:08,486 --> 02:10:09,120
I emean I've never had so many

4416
02:10:09,120 --> 02:10:10,454
letters of support from

4417
02:10:10,454 --> 02:10:11,522
neighborhoods who actually live

4418
02:10:11,522 --> 02:10:12,423
directly next to a development

4419
02:10:12,423 --> 02:10:12,957
that they are excited about a

4420
02:10:12,957 --> 02:10:14,910
development coming.

4421
02:10:14,910 --> 02:10:15,793
Usually it's the opposite.

4422
02:10:15,793 --> 02:10:17,762
It's all the reason why they

4423
02:10:17,762 --> 02:10:18,863
think it's an awful idea.

4424
02:10:18,863 --> 02:10:19,731
>> I appreciate that.

4425
02:10:19,731 --> 02:10:21,666
That's important for us.

4426
02:10:21,666 --> 02:10:21,900
As you know I'm a community

4427
02:10:21,900 --> 02:10:23,801
member.

4428
02:10:23,801 --> 02:10:25,904
>> something to be proud of for

4429
02:10:25,904 --> 02:10:26,637
sure and it's evident the work

4430
02:10:26,637 --> 02:10:27,138
has been done and I really

4431
02:10:27,138 --> 02:10:28,706
appreciate our staff.

4432
02:10:28,706 --> 02:10:30,141
I know that they worked really,

4433
02:10:30,141 --> 02:10:32,310
really hard to, you know, get to

4434
02:10:32,310 --> 02:10:33,110
yes on this and to find those

4435
02:10:33,110 --> 02:10:34,579
balances with protecting our

4436
02:10:34,579 --> 02:10:36,579
natural resources.

4437
02:10:37,810 --> 02:10:37,882
And allowing for the developer

4438
02:10:37,882 --> 02:10:39,117
to build something that's going

4439
02:10:39,117 --> 02:10:40,852
to be -- and the family to build

4440
02:10:40,852 --> 02:10:41,853
something that's going to be a

4441
02:10:41,853 --> 02:10:43,454
legacy that's going to be more

4442
02:10:43,454 --> 02:10:44,355
dense, more urban in nature and

4443
02:10:44,355 --> 02:10:46,230
make more sense if we're going

4444
02:10:46,230 --> 02:10:47,392
to develop a piece of property,

4445
02:10:47,392 --> 02:10:48,526
let's do it the right way and

4446
02:10:48,526 --> 02:10:49,961
let's put that kind of density

4447
02:10:49,961 --> 02:10:50,929
so that we're building

4448
02:10:50,929 --> 02:10:52,496
affordable housing so that we're

4449
02:10:52,496 --> 02:10:53,665
allowing for mobility and people

4450
02:10:53,665 --> 02:10:54,565
to live, work, and play in the

4451
02:10:54,565 --> 02:10:55,600
same area.

4452
02:10:55,600 --> 02:10:56,401
And you know, of course I'm

4453
02:10:56,401 --> 02:10:57,802
excited about the farm.

4454
02:10:57,802 --> 02:10:59,104
That's what I do but I do think

4455
02:10:59,104 --> 02:11:00,539
you know one of the things I

4456
02:11:00,539 --> 02:11:01,972
mentioned was the idea that you

4457
02:11:01,972 --> 02:11:04,750
know from my perspective, that

4458
02:11:04,750 --> 02:11:06,444
farm is an amenity to the

4459
02:11:06,444 --> 02:11:08,513
development, and I think leaving

4460
02:11:08,513 --> 02:11:11,416
it to bona fide agriculture is a

4461
02:11:11,416 --> 02:11:13,718
mistake, I think that it needs

4462
02:11:13,718 --> 02:11:14,653
the kind of controls through the

4463
02:11:14,653 --> 02:11:17,653
hoa, through the agreement with

4464
02:11:18,423 --> 02:11:19,624
the county, to protect the

4465
02:11:19,624 --> 02:11:20,592
residents of that neighborhood

4466
02:11:20,592 --> 02:11:22,427
and the future of that land to

4467
02:11:22,427 --> 02:11:24,496
make sure that it has the same

4468
02:11:24,496 --> 02:11:25,197
types of regulations and

4469
02:11:25,197 --> 02:11:27,165
requirements for the management

4470
02:11:27,165 --> 02:11:27,833
of that property as the rest of

4471
02:11:27,833 --> 02:11:29,833
the development.

4472
02:11:30,134 --> 02:11:33,105
>> I agree, I think you'll find

4473
02:11:33,105 --> 02:11:34,105
that as a part of the b mp

4474
02:11:34,105 --> 02:11:35,741
conditions that we plan on

4475
02:11:35,741 --> 02:11:37,843
implementing into the pd so that

4476
02:11:37,843 --> 02:11:39,878
we do, we do plan to implement

4477
02:11:39,878 --> 02:11:44,150
and so while there MAY not be a

4478
02:11:44,150 --> 02:11:44,616
ton of detail if the comp plan

4479
02:11:44,616 --> 02:11:46,251
application, I think you will

4480
02:11:46,251 --> 02:11:48,754
see that come along into some of

4481
02:11:48,754 --> 02:11:52,291
the bmp criteria that you'll see

4482
02:11:52,291 --> 02:11:56,161
in the pd just like some of our

4483
02:11:56,161 --> 02:11:57,429
landscape -- you know landscape

4484
02:11:57,429 --> 02:11:59,970
irrigation will be addressed so

4485
02:11:59,970 --> 02:12:00,432
we are happy to address that

4486
02:12:00,432 --> 02:12:01,500
specific point even within the

4487
02:12:01,500 --> 02:12:03,340
confines of the comp plan

4488
02:12:03,340 --> 02:12:05,400
amendment and the pd proposal

4489
02:12:05,400 --> 02:12:09,308
that we are, we are we have in

4490
02:12:09,308 --> 02:12:11,708
front you've also presenting

4491
02:12:12,177 --> 02:12:14,446
criteria and bmp practices that

4492
02:12:14,446 --> 02:12:15,814
have to be abide by.

4493
02:12:15,814 --> 02:12:17,750
>> well I would -- I guess I

4494
02:12:17,750 --> 02:12:19,585
would like for staff to let me

4495
02:12:19,585 --> 02:12:21,920
know what they think the

4496
02:12:21,920 --> 02:12:23,489
appropriate edits are to m in

4497
02:12:23,489 --> 02:12:24,957
the comprehensive plan

4498
02:12:24,957 --> 02:12:26,525
transmittals as we have it to

4499
02:12:26,525 --> 02:12:27,726
address that at this stage as

4500
02:12:27,726 --> 02:12:29,428
well as at the stages moving

4501
02:12:29,428 --> 02:12:31,828
forward just so that.

4502
02:12:31,831 --> 02:12:32,231
>> yeah, I'm happy to pass the

4503
02:12:32,231 --> 02:12:34,166
microphone off.

4504
02:12:34,166 --> 02:12:35,901
I think we're, where we have

4505
02:12:35,901 --> 02:12:36,268
come to it from this perspective

4506
02:12:36,268 --> 02:12:37,870
is we

4507
02:12:37,870 --> 02:12:38,637
we were asking for

4508
02:12:38,637 --> 02:12:40,572
transmittal and then you will

4509
02:12:40,572 --> 02:12:41,306
get back the pd with those

4510
02:12:41,306 --> 02:12:42,808
conditions on which you would

4511
02:12:42,808 --> 02:12:43,809
vote on its own merits within

4512
02:12:43,809 --> 02:12:45,809
that pd document.

4513
02:12:46,177 --> 02:12:49,448
You know with that criteria but

4514
02:12:49,448 --> 02:12:53,480
happy to pass the microphone off

4515
02:12:56,355 --> 02:12:58,191
if you want --

4516
02:12:58,191 --> 02:12:59,759
>> MR. Chair, I don't know.

4517
02:12:59,759 --> 02:13:00,593
So I would say from staff we

4518
02:13:00,593 --> 02:13:03,996
find ourselves in a little bit

4519
02:13:03,996 --> 02:13:05,565
of a quandary because the state

4520
02:13:05,565 --> 02:13:08,565
really takes control of defining

4521
02:13:08,934 --> 02:13:10,436
what ag is, and it preempts us

4522
02:13:10,436 --> 02:13:12,436
from regulating that.

4523
02:13:12,772 --> 02:13:14,306
>> this isn't -- this isn't ag.

4524
02:13:14,306 --> 02:13:15,207
Into the traditional sense I

4525
02:13:15,207 --> 02:13:17,877
mean yes they are going to be

4526
02:13:17,877 --> 02:13:19,112
growing food but it's first and

4527
02:13:19,112 --> 02:13:20,412
foremost it's going to be an

4528
02:13:20,412 --> 02:13:22,549
open space, a park for the

4529
02:13:22,549 --> 02:13:23,850
neighbors who live right next

4530
02:13:23,850 --> 02:13:26,653
door, you know and so while it

4531
02:13:26,653 --> 02:13:28,253
is a farm, I guess my, my sense

4532
02:13:28,253 --> 02:13:29,489
of the story that they're

4533
02:13:29,489 --> 02:13:30,523
telling and my experience of

4534
02:13:30,523 --> 02:13:33,258
these developments in the past

4535
02:13:33,258 --> 02:13:34,961
is that it's, it's not a

4536
02:13:34,961 --> 02:13:37,297
traditional farm in the sense

4537
02:13:37,297 --> 02:13:40,897
that it's operating on its own

4538
02:13:41,267 --> 02:13:42,868
in a rural area outside of the

4539
02:13:42,868 --> 02:13:45,137
impacts that it would have on

4540
02:13:45,137 --> 02:13:46,573
residences rights next door or

4541
02:13:46,573 --> 02:13:49,573
stormwater ponds that are right

4542
02:13:49,775 --> 02:13:51,844
next door to it.

4543
02:13:51,844 --> 02:13:53,780
And therefore, it's actually a

4544
02:13:53,780 --> 02:13:55,582
different type of land use than

4545
02:13:55,582 --> 02:13:57,582
bona fide ag.

4546
02:13:58,285 --> 02:14:01,885
It's going to be subsidized by

4547
02:14:02,822 --> 02:14:03,123
the development.

4548
02:14:03,123 --> 02:14:04,558
>> corbin?

4549
02:14:04,558 --> 02:14:05,257
>>> I don't know if there is

4550
02:14:05,257 --> 02:14:06,493
something you wanted to add to

4551
02:14:06,493 --> 02:14:07,294
that before I jump in.

4552
02:14:07,294 --> 02:14:08,395
>> it's true, I was just going

4553
02:14:08,395 --> 02:14:09,996
to say that as a part of the pd

4554
02:14:09,996 --> 02:14:11,164
there is a mix of -- or as a

4555
02:14:11,164 --> 02:14:12,833
part of the comp plan there is a

4556
02:14:12,833 --> 02:14:15,402
mix of uses obviously and to be

4557
02:14:15,402 --> 02:14:16,603
categorized in each one and that

4558
02:14:16,603 --> 02:14:18,872
was why we addressed it via

4559
02:14:18,872 --> 02:14:20,400
character areas, and addressing

4560
02:14:20,400 --> 02:14:21,974
that farm and that location and

4561
02:14:21,974 --> 02:14:24,277
the criteria and the guidelines

4562
02:14:24,277 --> 02:14:26,246
of which it has to abide, we're

4563
02:14:26,246 --> 02:14:28,448
offering above and beyond maybe

4564
02:14:28,448 --> 02:14:29,716
just bona fide ag, we're happy

4565
02:14:29,716 --> 02:14:31,318
to offer in the form of that pd

4566
02:14:31,318 --> 02:14:32,152
in which obviously you would

4567
02:14:32,152 --> 02:14:34,521
have all of the detail in front

4568
02:14:34,521 --> 02:14:37,624
of you to support or obviously

4569
02:14:37,624 --> 02:14:38,658
not support but that would just

4570
02:14:38,658 --> 02:14:40,260
be my only comment is that I

4571
02:14:40,260 --> 02:14:42,195
think as we see it, we see

4572
02:14:42,195 --> 02:14:43,896
character areas and individual

4573
02:14:43,896 --> 02:14:45,532
categorization of what is where,

4574
02:14:45,532 --> 02:14:46,633
and what that has to abide by so

4575
02:14:46,633 --> 02:14:47,100
we plan on having that for you

4576
02:14:47,100 --> 02:14:49,360
in the future.

4577
02:14:49,360 --> 02:14:49,903
>> correct and I appreciate that

4578
02:14:49,903 --> 02:14:51,400
and I believe you I mean the

4579
02:14:51,400 --> 02:14:51,938
conversations that I've had with

4580
02:14:51,938 --> 02:14:54,541
you about what you all plan to

4581
02:14:54,541 --> 02:14:55,609
do and listening to justin talk

4582
02:14:55,609 --> 02:14:57,411
about and see you know these

4583
02:14:57,411 --> 02:14:58,312
types of developments, I

4584
02:14:58,312 --> 02:15:00,514
absolutely 100% believe you and

4585
02:15:00,514 --> 02:15:02,516
agree with you, but I think if

4586
02:15:02,516 --> 02:15:04,118
we call it bona fide ag then our

4587
02:15:04,118 --> 02:15:06,386
ability to actually do those

4588
02:15:06,386 --> 02:15:06,853
enforcements of that pd are

4589
02:15:06,853 --> 02:15:08,122
actually pritted

4590
02:15:08,122 --> 02:15:10,122
pretty limited

4591
02:15:12,560 --> 02:15:13,761
to his point because we cannot

4592
02:15:13,761 --> 02:15:14,628
regulate agriculture in

4593
02:15:14,628 --> 02:15:16,463
somestances so I want to be

4594
02:15:16,463 --> 02:15:19,166
mindful of that and make sure we

4595
02:15:19,166 --> 02:15:21,568
you to come up with those --

4596
02:15:21,568 --> 02:15:22,369
>> wouldn't we have that has

4597
02:15:22,369 --> 02:15:24,369
as

4598
02:15:25,506 --> 02:15:27,574
part of the pd, we can put the

4599
02:15:27,574 --> 02:15:27,808
conditions in the pd?

4600
02:15:27,808 --> 02:15:28,442
Corbin?

4601
02:15:28,442 --> 02:15:29,109
>> so ultimately as far as the

4602
02:15:29,109 --> 02:15:30,711
land use perspective goes, eyes,

4603
02:15:30,711 --> 02:15:33,214
I get the point that this is

4604
02:15:33,214 --> 02:15:34,849
different than your traditional

4605
02:15:34,849 --> 02:15:36,750
ag but if there is a commercial

4606
02:15:36,750 --> 02:15:39,150
component to this agriculture,

4607
02:15:39,386 --> 02:15:40,988
there is nothing we could do

4608
02:15:40,988 --> 02:15:43,124
that would potentially stop

4609
02:15:43,124 --> 02:15:44,358
getting an ag cloiks and --

4610
02:15:44,358 --> 02:15:46,294
classification and coming in an

4611
02:15:46,294 --> 02:15:48,896
at a later time, we're doing

4612
02:15:48,896 --> 02:15:50,264
bona fide ag selling vegetables

4613
02:15:50,264 --> 02:15:52,233
and then preempted.

4614
02:15:52,233 --> 02:15:52,934
>> for tax classification.

4615
02:15:52,934 --> 02:15:54,735
>>> yeah they could come in and

4616
02:15:54,735 --> 02:15:57,705
say on this particular portion,

4617
02:15:57,705 --> 02:16:00,700
this is ag classified.

4618
02:16:00,700 --> 02:16:02,310
Therefore, you know because we

4619
02:16:02,310 --> 02:16:04,845
are, we are using this for bona

4620
02:16:04,845 --> 02:16:05,946
fide ag we have a commercial

4621
02:16:05,946 --> 02:16:06,981
output the county is then

4622
02:16:06,981 --> 02:16:08,490
preempted from coming and in

4623
02:16:08,490 --> 02:16:11,520
regulating it no matter what we

4624
02:16:11,520 --> 02:16:13,540
call it on this end.

4625
02:16:13,540 --> 02:16:14,689
>> so how would the pd

4626
02:16:14,689 --> 02:16:15,590
requirements be upheld in a

4627
02:16:15,590 --> 02:16:18,590
situation where there was bona

4628
02:16:20,828 --> 02:16:21,395
fide ag?

4629
02:16:21,395 --> 02:16:23,395
>> chris?

4630
02:16:24,799 --> 02:16:26,967
>> yeah, so I mean, it's a walks

4631
02:16:26,967 --> 02:16:30,671
like a duck quacks like a duck

4632
02:16:30,671 --> 02:16:31,239
kind of thing, MR. Chair.

4633
02:16:31,239 --> 02:16:32,339
>> on a farm.

4634
02:16:32,339 --> 02:16:32,640
>> on a farm.

4635
02:16:32,640 --> 02:16:33,408
[Laughter]

4636
02:16:33,408 --> 02:16:34,509
Yeah, I guess there will be

4637
02:16:34,509 --> 02:16:36,444
animals there.

4638
02:16:36,444 --> 02:16:37,578
I think that the problem is we

4639
02:16:37,578 --> 02:16:40,810
can -- we can call it something

4640
02:16:40,810 --> 02:16:41,415
else in our comp plan, but if

4641
02:16:41,415 --> 02:16:43,918
it's on a piece of property and

4642
02:16:43,918 --> 02:16:46,918
the property appraiser says it's

4643
02:16:48,230 --> 02:16:49,900
bona fide ag, we're, we're

4644
02:16:49,900 --> 02:16:50,291
preempted from it.

4645
02:16:50,291 --> 02:16:52,661
>> I guess I just --

4646
02:16:52,661 --> 02:16:54,195
>> so if the, if the applicants,

4647
02:16:54,195 --> 02:16:57,332
I would just say you know from

4648
02:16:57,332 --> 02:17:00,168
my perspective, so one thing we

4649
02:17:00,168 --> 02:17:02,771
could do is, I'll wait on that.

4650
02:17:02,771 --> 02:17:04,405
I think from, from my

4651
02:17:04,405 --> 02:17:07,242
perspective, trying to say that

4652
02:17:07,242 --> 02:17:08,176
the working farm that might

4653
02:17:08,176 --> 02:17:09,376
potentially, this is, this sort

4654
02:17:09,376 --> 02:17:12,976
of what happens in the future,

4655
02:17:14,716 --> 02:17:17,252
it's a what if, but if it is ag,

4656
02:17:17,252 --> 02:17:18,120
and it gets an ag

4657
02:17:18,120 --> 02:17:20,120
classification, regardless of

4658
02:17:21,156 --> 02:17:24,393
what we adopt, the state says we

4659
02:17:24,393 --> 02:17:25,694
can't enforce it.

4660
02:17:25,694 --> 02:17:27,694
Because it's ag.

4661
02:17:27,729 --> 02:17:30,129
>> I mean reading --

4662
02:17:30,565 --> 02:17:32,000
>> so, so the only, I don't -- I

4663
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:33,902
don't know if the applicant is

4664
02:17:33,902 --> 02:17:36,672
willing to stand up here and

4665
02:17:36,672 --> 02:17:38,940
commit and say I agree that it's

4666
02:17:38,940 --> 02:17:40,843
never going to get an ag

4667
02:17:40,843 --> 02:17:43,243
classification, yes, it's an

4668
02:17:44,512 --> 02:17:46,515
institutional use, and I agree

4669
02:17:46,515 --> 02:17:47,816
to these regulations.

4670
02:17:47,816 --> 02:17:50,719
But the applicant would sort of

4671
02:17:50,719 --> 02:17:51,530
have to make that explicitly

4672
02:17:51,530 --> 02:17:52,487
clear.

4673
02:17:52,487 --> 02:17:54,556
>> they're saying that they're

4674
02:17:54,556 --> 02:17:55,757
going to have these BMPs to

4675
02:17:55,757 --> 02:17:56,759
further defined in the kinds of

4676
02:17:56,759 --> 02:17:57,926
things they're binding

4677
02:17:57,926 --> 02:17:59,728
themselves to in terms of

4678
02:17:59,728 --> 02:18:02,128
operating that farm with

4679
02:18:02,898 --> 02:18:03,632
sustainable practice, organic

4680
02:18:03,632 --> 02:18:04,899
practices, water management

4681
02:18:04,899 --> 02:18:06,680
practice and I'm saying you're

4682
02:18:06,680 --> 02:18:07,269
telling me today that we

4683
02:18:07,269 --> 02:18:09,669
couldn't actually enforce that.

4684
02:18:09,705 --> 02:18:12,207
>> yeah, I mean, they MAY do

4685
02:18:12,207 --> 02:18:14,944
some of those things, and we can

4686
02:18:14,944 --> 02:18:17,450
have them in the pd, but if it

4687
02:18:17,450 --> 02:18:19,480
comes to that point where the

4688
02:18:19,480 --> 02:18:20,415
state says or the property

4689
02:18:20,415 --> 02:18:23,180
appraiser says no, they, they

4690
02:18:23,180 --> 02:18:25,353
apply for an ag classification,

4691
02:18:25,353 --> 02:18:27,490
they have a commercial purpose,

4692
02:18:27,490 --> 02:18:30,493
they do one of the activities

4693
02:18:30,493 --> 02:18:32,460
that is generally considered

4694
02:18:32,460 --> 02:18:34,860
agricultural, we, we can't

4695
02:18:35,300 --> 02:18:35,865
regulate it anymore.

4696
02:18:35,865 --> 02:18:37,833
So I think that's sort of the

4697
02:18:37,833 --> 02:18:39,201
challenge that we've found

4698
02:18:39,201 --> 02:18:40,569
because we talked about I know

4699
02:18:40,569 --> 02:18:42,271
stacy sat in a conference room

4700
02:18:42,271 --> 02:18:42,571
with me and we talked about that

4701
02:18:42,571 --> 02:18:44,571
possibility.

4702
02:18:45,808 --> 02:18:48,244
Can we apply these irrigation

4703
02:18:48,244 --> 02:18:50,346
policies or fertilizer policies

4704
02:18:50,346 --> 02:18:51,547
or whatever to the working farm

4705
02:18:51,547 --> 02:18:55,147
portion and I think where we

4706
02:18:55,318 --> 02:18:57,653
always sort of ran into the wall

4707
02:18:57,653 --> 02:19:00,623
was what happens when it become

4708
02:19:00,623 --> 02:19:01,624
bona fide ag.

4709
02:19:01,624 --> 02:19:05,824
>> I mean, I think if I could

4710
02:19:07,964 --> 02:19:09,232
step in here, 8.6.6.10 and

4711
02:19:09,232 --> 02:19:10,899
8.6.6.11 hammers home and is

4712
02:19:10,899 --> 02:19:11,133
exact point and it's in the

4713
02:19:11,133 --> 02:19:13,133
policy.

4714
02:19:13,936 --> 02:19:16,720
I mean it basically says working

4715
02:19:16,720 --> 02:19:18,975
farm is a community anchor that

4716
02:19:18,975 --> 02:19:20,476
required planned development

4717
02:19:20,476 --> 02:19:21,577
zoning shall include a

4718
02:19:21,577 --> 02:19:22,445
professionally managed year

4719
02:19:22,445 --> 02:19:23,112
round working farm as a

4720
02:19:23,112 --> 02:19:23,879
centrally organized element of

4721
02:19:23,879 --> 02:19:25,879
the community.

4722
02:19:25,949 --> 02:19:28,949
That's like the first sentence.

4723
02:19:29,885 --> 02:19:32,522
And then whu r when you get into

4724
02:19:32,522 --> 02:19:33,189
policy 8.6.6.11 it says context,

4725
02:19:33,189 --> 02:19:35,189
agriculture compatibility and

4726
02:19:35,492 --> 02:19:37,860
best management practice context

4727
02:19:37,860 --> 02:19:39,950
sensitivity buffers, best

4728
02:19:39,950 --> 02:19:40,730
management practices, including

4729
02:19:40,730 --> 02:19:41,598
the landscape best management

4730
02:19:41,598 --> 02:19:43,366
plan, and right to farm

4731
02:19:43,366 --> 02:19:45,268
disclosures shall be required to

4732
02:19:45,268 --> 02:19:47,300
ensure long-term compatibility

4733
02:19:47,300 --> 02:19:47,637
between ag operations and the

4734
02:19:47,637 --> 02:19:50,370
residential or mixed use.

4735
02:19:50,540 --> 02:19:53,243
I mean you guys have addressed

4736
02:19:53,243 --> 02:19:56,613
this I think I don't understand

4737
02:19:56,613 --> 02:19:58,315
like we're going to hear all of

4738
02:19:58,315 --> 02:19:59,582
your concerns be put into the pd

4739
02:19:59,582 --> 02:20:02,118
and it's actually part of the

4740
02:20:02,118 --> 02:20:03,653
comp plan policy.

4741
02:20:03,653 --> 02:20:05,155
Like it's got to be consistent.

4742
02:20:05,155 --> 02:20:06,222
The pd can't be inconsistent

4743
02:20:06,222 --> 02:20:07,524
with the comp plan policy, it

4744
02:20:07,524 --> 02:20:08,124
must be consistent with the comp

4745
02:20:08,124 --> 02:20:10,124
plan policy.

4746
02:20:10,660 --> 02:20:12,950
>> what they're saying is it

4747
02:20:12,950 --> 02:20:13,896
doesn't matter if the comp plan

4748
02:20:13,896 --> 02:20:15,865
policies or pd policies are

4749
02:20:15,865 --> 02:20:17,600
applied too bona fide ag because

4750
02:20:17,600 --> 02:20:19,836
at the end of the day we can't

4751
02:20:19,836 --> 02:20:22,720
regulate the bona fide ag.

4752
02:20:22,720 --> 02:20:22,339
>> it's literally going to be

4753
02:20:22,339 --> 02:20:23,730
regulated.

4754
02:20:23,730 --> 02:20:25,473
>> my concern isn't now.

4755
02:20:25,809 --> 02:20:26,743
My concern is 12, 30 years --

4756
02:20:26,743 --> 02:20:28,445
20, 30 years from now when the

4757
02:20:28,445 --> 02:20:29,513
developer isn't there and the

4758
02:20:29,513 --> 02:20:31,140
hoa has taken --

4759
02:20:31,140 --> 02:20:31,748
>> well 40 years -- yes, they

4760
02:20:31,748 --> 02:20:32,882
will, believe me.

4761
02:20:32,882 --> 02:20:33,116
>> I don't disagree with your

4762
02:20:33,116 --> 02:20:35,116
concern.

4763
02:20:35,118 --> 02:20:36,753
My point is let's address that

4764
02:20:36,753 --> 02:20:38,722
concern at the pd.

4765
02:20:38,722 --> 02:20:40,490
Because the policy it has to be

4766
02:20:40,490 --> 02:20:43,227
consistent with what staff has

4767
02:20:43,227 --> 02:20:44,995
put into the comp plan policy.

4768
02:20:44,995 --> 02:20:46,563
>> but what I'm being told by

4769
02:20:46,563 --> 02:20:47,730
our attorney is that it doesn't

4770
02:20:47,730 --> 02:20:49,766
matter what we put in the pd.

4771
02:20:49,766 --> 02:20:51,368
If it's land use is ag then its,

4772
02:20:51,368 --> 02:20:52,435
and its bona fide agriculture

4773
02:20:52,435 --> 02:20:53,936
then we have no ability to

4774
02:20:53,936 --> 02:20:55,936
regulate it.

4775
02:20:56,139 --> 02:20:57,474
>> so we don't want an ag

4776
02:20:57,474 --> 02:20:58,409
component to this neighborhood?

4777
02:20:58,409 --> 02:20:59,109
>> no I'm not say that.

4778
02:20:59,109 --> 02:20:59,942
>> you are.

4779
02:20:59,942 --> 02:21:01,478
You are saying that.

4780
02:21:01,478 --> 02:21:03,947
>> no I was saying that I was

4781
02:21:03,947 --> 02:21:06,183
hoping that the land use would

4782
02:21:06,183 --> 02:21:07,418
not be ag, that it would be

4783
02:21:07,418 --> 02:21:09,152
something else and it's actually

4784
02:21:09,152 --> 02:21:10,454
part of the development rather

4785
02:21:10,454 --> 02:21:11,955
than an agricultural farm

4786
02:21:11,955 --> 02:21:13,924
because it's even thoughit is a

4787
02:21:13,924 --> 02:21:15,793
technically a farm, it's an

4788
02:21:15,793 --> 02:21:18,429
amenity to the neighborhood and

4789
02:21:18,429 --> 02:21:19,563
my only concern is long-term the

4790
02:21:19,563 --> 02:21:21,650
residents and with this gets

4791
02:21:21,650 --> 02:21:22,967
turned over to somebody other

4792
02:21:22,967 --> 02:21:24,501
thanking amenity for management

4793
02:21:24,501 --> 02:21:25,469
that they understand they need

4794
02:21:25,469 --> 02:21:27,469
to hup

4795
02:21:27,571 --> 02:21:28,872
uphold the values the

4796
02:21:28,872 --> 02:21:29,106
amenities is bringing to the

4797
02:21:29,106 --> 02:21:30,541
farm.

4798
02:21:30,541 --> 02:21:31,875
It's down the road.

4799
02:21:31,875 --> 02:21:32,910
We're the ones -- not me but

4800
02:21:32,910 --> 02:21:34,110
some other commissioner up here

4801
02:21:34,110 --> 02:21:35,145
is going to be the one who gets

4802
02:21:35,145 --> 02:21:37,714
the whiny neighbor who's like

4803
02:21:37,714 --> 02:21:39,160
this farm is stinky and it looks

4804
02:21:39,160 --> 02:21:40,551
bad and they're not doing their

4805
02:21:40,551 --> 02:21:42,951
job the right way.

4806
02:21:44,588 --> 02:21:46,524
And you know, they're not using

4807
02:21:46,524 --> 02:21:47,892
organic materials and.

4808
02:21:47,892 --> 02:21:48,759
>> put their for sale sign in

4809
02:21:48,759 --> 02:21:50,428
the yard and someone else is

4810
02:21:50,428 --> 02:21:51,495
going to buy that house.

4811
02:21:51,495 --> 02:21:53,231
Because that's the central to

4812
02:21:53,231 --> 02:21:54,865
the neighborhood.

4813
02:21:54,865 --> 02:21:55,866
Like if you don't want a farm in

4814
02:21:55,866 --> 02:21:57,835
your neighborhood, probably

4815
02:21:57,835 --> 02:21:58,502
don't go to everlee.

4816
02:21:58,502 --> 02:21:59,937
>> correct, this is not the

4817
02:21:59,937 --> 02:22:01,937
place for you.

4818
02:22:03,740 --> 02:22:04,842
But to that point, as a part of

4819
02:22:04,842 --> 02:22:05,743
the later staidgesz, we

4820
02:22:05,743 --> 02:22:07,512
--

4821
02:22:07,512 --> 02:22:08,513
stages we will have a cdd

4822
02:22:08,513 --> 02:22:10,214
creation and there willby an

4823
02:22:10,214 --> 02:22:14,850
hoa, and so just to be clear,

4824
02:22:14,850 --> 02:22:15,186
the working farm is not a land

4825
02:22:15,186 --> 02:22:17,488
holding that there would be any

4826
02:22:17,488 --> 02:22:20,488
incentive to be held privately.

4827
02:22:21,225 --> 02:22:22,293
So there will be confines of

4828
02:22:22,293 --> 02:22:25,620
obligation right in that whether

4829
02:22:25,620 --> 02:22:25,229
the hoa owns it or kdd what have

4830
02:22:25,229 --> 02:22:27,229
you.

4831
02:22:27,465 --> 02:22:29,367
I mean, there would be no

4832
02:22:29,367 --> 02:22:30,768
benefit of privately holding

4833
02:22:30,768 --> 02:22:31,350
that liability if that makes

4834
02:22:31,350 --> 02:22:33,350
sense.

4835
02:22:33,905 --> 02:22:35,640
So I think that in reality,

4836
02:22:35,640 --> 02:22:37,208
probably addresses a lot of the

4837
02:22:37,208 --> 02:22:38,142
ongoing concerns that you have,

4838
02:22:38,142 --> 02:22:39,543
and the way we get there is

4839
02:22:39,543 --> 02:22:42,146
through that scale that we're

4840
02:22:42,146 --> 02:22:43,447
asking for.

4841
02:22:43,447 --> 02:22:43,748
>> you conclude?

4842
02:22:43,748 --> 02:22:44,616
>> yeah.

4843
02:22:44,616 --> 02:22:47,160
>> commissioner alford and then

4844
02:22:47,919 --> 02:22:48,186
commissioner wheeler.

4845
02:22:48,186 --> 02:22:50,186
>> okay.

4846
02:22:51,890 --> 02:22:53,657
I have a few things.

4847
02:22:53,657 --> 02:22:55,994
First, I want to say thank you

4848
02:22:55,994 --> 02:22:56,261
for the extensive community

4849
02:22:56,261 --> 02:22:58,261
outreach.

4850
02:23:00,320 --> 02:23:01,533
This is in my district basically

4851
02:23:01,533 --> 02:23:04,135
and I've had calls from many of

4852
02:23:04,135 --> 02:23:06,838
my former neighbos and friends

4853
02:23:06,838 --> 02:23:08,773
that live in the hale rr area

4854
02:23:08,773 --> 02:23:10,275
and they've all said, you know,

4855
02:23:10,275 --> 02:23:12,511
we thought we weren't going to

4856
02:23:12,511 --> 02:23:12,677
like this but we really love

4857
02:23:12,677 --> 02:23:14,677
it.

4858
02:23:15,280 --> 02:23:17,249
And it's, it's they, they've

4859
02:23:17,249 --> 02:23:20,685
said that you guys are just

4860
02:23:20,685 --> 02:23:23,288
great to talk to, to negotiate

4861
02:23:23,288 --> 02:23:23,989
with, to share information,

4862
02:23:23,989 --> 02:23:24,356
that's the first thing I wanted

4863
02:23:24,356 --> 02:23:25,991
to say.

4864
02:23:25,991 --> 02:23:27,759
Second thing, I need to disclose

4865
02:23:27,759 --> 02:23:29,394
that I've known victor dover for

4866
02:23:29,394 --> 02:23:31,290
a very long time.

4867
02:23:31,290 --> 02:23:32,998
He's my favorite new urbanest

4868
02:23:32,998 --> 02:23:37,198
and I haven't seen a project of

4869
02:23:37,569 --> 02:23:40,569
victor's that I haven't liked.

4870
02:23:41,239 --> 02:23:43,475
So he's really, well, I mien, I

4871
02:23:43,475 --> 02:23:45,875
can't not say that.

4872
02:23:46,311 --> 02:23:47,790
So I, I'm very excited to have

4873
02:23:47,790 --> 02:23:49,180
you do, you know potentially do

4874
02:23:49,180 --> 02:23:50,916
work in our town, and provide

4875
02:23:50,916 --> 02:23:53,152
something that, you know, I

4876
02:23:53,152 --> 02:23:54,787
just, like your approach to

4877
02:23:54,787 --> 02:23:56,488
things and I like how you

4878
02:23:56,488 --> 02:23:58,888
integrate the new urbanist

4879
02:23:59,230 --> 02:24:00,292
principles in a, in a practical

4880
02:24:00,292 --> 02:24:01,994
and approachable way you don't

4881
02:24:01,994 --> 02:24:02,995
talk about transects and all

4882
02:24:02,995 --> 02:24:04,263
this other stuff.

4883
02:24:04,263 --> 02:24:07,863
You just tell people how it

4884
02:24:09,201 --> 02:24:11,736
works and so I like that.

4885
02:24:11,736 --> 02:24:13,705
And then and I really like this

4886
02:24:13,705 --> 02:24:15,974
whole idea of growing healthy

4887
02:24:15,974 --> 02:24:17,576
food and growing healthy people

4888
02:24:17,576 --> 02:24:19,976
and growing healthy community

4889
02:24:20,479 --> 02:24:23,479
because it all fits together,

4890
02:24:24,350 --> 02:24:26,218
and, and I just, you know, I

4891
02:24:26,218 --> 02:24:29,818
really tried hard to not like

4892
02:24:30,189 --> 02:24:31,323
this project because it isn't

4893
02:24:31,323 --> 02:24:32,824
what we should be doing we

4894
02:24:32,824 --> 02:24:34,226
should be developing, outside of

4895
02:24:34,226 --> 02:24:35,161
our urban cluster but I just

4896
02:24:35,161 --> 02:24:36,162
love it.

4897
02:24:36,162 --> 02:24:38,562
I can't help it.

4898
02:24:39,532 --> 02:24:41,233
I really do like it and I, and I

4899
02:24:41,233 --> 02:24:43,633
have to admit that.

4900
02:24:46,138 --> 02:24:47,907
So a few concerns that I do have

4901
02:24:47,907 --> 02:24:50,176
are so I live for a number of

4902
02:24:50,176 --> 02:24:52,311
years in the hale village

4903
02:24:52,311 --> 02:24:54,460
center, and I got very familiar

4904
02:24:54,460 --> 02:24:57,182
with a lot of people that did a

4905
02:24:57,182 --> 02:24:57,717
lot of work in the haile village

4906
02:24:57,717 --> 02:24:59,852
center because they're my

4907
02:24:59,852 --> 02:25:00,752
business partner and one of the

4908
02:25:00,752 --> 02:25:02,821
things that I learned is that

4909
02:25:02,821 --> 02:25:04,823
gru has stated on multiple

4910
02:25:04,823 --> 02:25:05,958
occasions that they would never

4911
02:25:05,958 --> 02:25:08,958
allow another village center to

4912
02:25:10,329 --> 02:25:11,297
get built in their district.

4913
02:25:11,297 --> 02:25:12,365
Because it everything's too

4914
02:25:12,365 --> 02:25:14,000
close together, it was too hard

4915
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:15,335
to provide the utilities, too

4916
02:25:15,335 --> 02:25:17,903
hard to go in and fix.

4917
02:25:17,903 --> 02:25:19,903
Just too hard.

4918
02:25:20,600 --> 02:25:23,409
So I hope that we are working

4919
02:25:23,409 --> 02:25:25,578
hard to make a good relationship

4920
02:25:25,578 --> 02:25:27,347
with at early on in this project

4921
02:25:27,347 --> 02:25:29,349
while we're in the planning

4922
02:25:29,349 --> 02:25:31,484
phase so can you talk a little

4923
02:25:31,484 --> 02:25:32,652
bit about what -- how you've

4924
02:25:32,652 --> 02:25:33,586
worked with gru and low you

4925
02:25:33,586 --> 02:25:34,353
how

4926
02:25:34,353 --> 02:25:35,210
you're planning on managing

4927
02:25:35,210 --> 02:25:35,821
that.

4928
02:25:35,821 --> 02:25:37,821
>> MR. Holly.

4929
02:25:38,624 --> 02:25:40,726
>> yes, of course, specifically

4930
02:25:40,726 --> 02:25:42,361
commissioner alford we have been

4931
02:25:42,361 --> 02:25:43,863
working with gru for the better

4932
02:25:43,863 --> 02:25:46,733
course of the rast nine months.

4933
02:25:46,733 --> 02:25:48,702
So we engaged them prior to

4934
02:25:48,702 --> 02:25:50,436
actually filing any applications

4935
02:25:50,436 --> 02:25:52,238
with the county.

4936
02:25:52,238 --> 02:25:53,840
We have concerns obviously

4937
02:25:53,840 --> 02:25:55,608
around their ability to serve

4938
02:25:55,608 --> 02:25:57,430
and how that would work with the

4939
02:25:57,430 --> 02:25:59,430
urban cluster.

4940
02:25:59,245 --> 02:26:00,513
We work with them and actually

4941
02:26:00,513 --> 02:26:01,748
have been having biweekly

4942
02:26:01,748 --> 02:26:04,450
meetings really over the course

4943
02:26:04,450 --> 02:26:05,585
of the last six months or so.

4944
02:26:05,585 --> 02:26:07,554
To discuss their ability to

4945
02:26:07,554 --> 02:26:08,522
serve the utilities that would

4946
02:26:08,522 --> 02:26:10,922
be necessary, the extensions

4947
02:26:11,357 --> 02:26:12,625
that are required to get to the

4948
02:26:12,625 --> 02:26:14,728
property, and we have gone so

4949
02:26:14,728 --> 02:26:17,397
far as to really start looking

4950
02:26:17,397 --> 02:26:19,165
at sizing of lines and how do we

4951
02:26:19,165 --> 02:26:21,670
provide infrastructure, for this

4952
02:26:21,670 --> 02:26:21,334
specific property at specific

4953
02:26:21,334 --> 02:26:23,334
locations.

4954
02:26:23,370 --> 02:26:25,639
And so that's something that we

4955
02:26:25,639 --> 02:26:28,390
have been intentionally working

4956
02:26:29,109 --> 02:26:31,509
with gru towards really

4957
02:26:32,450 --> 02:26:32,412
alignment for the last six to

4958
02:26:32,412 --> 02:26:34,412
nine months.

4959
02:26:34,514 --> 02:26:35,749
>> so are they going to allow

4960
02:26:35,749 --> 02:26:37,550
their urban setback standards

4961
02:26:37,550 --> 02:26:40,286
and your more urban areas and

4962
02:26:40,286 --> 02:26:43,490
not try to impose their all you

4963
02:26:43,490 --> 02:26:46,894
have to do is drive through

4964
02:26:46,894 --> 02:26:47,528
butler and see what they like to

4965
02:26:47,528 --> 02:26:49,528
have so.

4966
02:26:49,730 --> 02:26:51,498
>> yeah, and certainly I mean we

4967
02:26:51,498 --> 02:26:52,766
want to be a accommodating as we

4968
02:26:52,766 --> 02:26:56,366
can be as we look --

4969
02:26:58,372 --> 02:26:58,839
>>no, you don't.

4970
02:26:58,839 --> 02:26:59,540
[Laughter]

4971
02:26:59,540 --> 02:27:01,775
>> as we think through street

4972
02:27:01,775 --> 02:27:03,410
sections and streetscapes and

4973
02:27:03,410 --> 02:27:04,245
building frontage and how we

4974
02:27:04,245 --> 02:27:05,345
accommodate trees, how we

4975
02:27:05,345 --> 02:27:07,345
accommodate sidewalks,

4976
02:27:07,882 --> 02:27:08,882
pedestrian facilities,

4977
02:27:08,882 --> 02:27:11,282
utilities, you know we're

4978
02:27:11,785 --> 02:27:13,587
providing, we've submitted very

4979
02:27:13,587 --> 02:27:15,587
narrow streetscape sections

4980
02:27:16,423 --> 02:27:18,823
purposefully to really slow

4981
02:27:18,926 --> 02:27:19,593
design speeds, narrow

4982
02:27:19,593 --> 02:27:20,427
right-of-ways, that creates a

4983
02:27:20,427 --> 02:27:21,595
challenges for utilities and

4984
02:27:21,595 --> 02:27:22,796
it's something that's not lost

4985
02:27:22,796 --> 02:27:25,650
on us as engineers and planners

4986
02:27:25,650 --> 02:27:27,650
and designers.

4987
02:27:27,334 --> 02:27:28,235
So we look forward to having

4988
02:27:28,235 --> 02:27:28,969
these conversations with gru

4989
02:27:28,969 --> 02:27:31,538
specifically on how we can

4990
02:27:31,538 --> 02:27:32,390
address that as we move towards

4991
02:27:32,390 --> 02:27:33,740
construction documents.

4992
02:27:33,740 --> 02:27:35,175
>> okay I just -- you know that

4993
02:27:35,175 --> 02:27:36,544
just really wordy me because I

4994
02:27:36,544 --> 02:27:39,345
have heard that quote so many

4995
02:27:39,345 --> 02:27:41,982
times and I just, but I also

4996
02:27:41,982 --> 02:27:44,552
know that you know there was

4997
02:27:44,552 --> 02:27:45,886
probably not the same level of

4998
02:27:45,886 --> 02:27:48,886
planning at the beginning of

4999
02:27:49,256 --> 02:27:50,798
that, and so you know there were

5000
02:27:50,798 --> 02:27:53,146
utilities run under buildings

5001
02:27:53,146 --> 02:27:54,987
and things that were a challenge

5002
02:27:54,987 --> 02:27:57,463
so hopefully we're at a little

5003
02:27:57,463 --> 02:28:01,630
better place than that so thank

5004
02:28:01,202 --> 02:28:04,802
you for that on the, I would

5005
02:28:04,802 --> 02:28:06,802
love to they

5006
02:28:09,637 --> 02:28:11,637
think that the

5007
02:28:15,351 --> 02:28:18,351
whole agriculture thing would be

5008
02:28:21,845 --> 02:28:23,845
self-regulating, but again,

5009
02:28:29,939 --> 02:28:32,939
living in the hale village

5010
02:28:38,468 --> 02:28:40,868
center I've watched that

5011
02:28:47,629 --> 02:28:50,629
slippery slope of a natural

5012
02:28:57,877 --> 02:28:59,877
landscape that everybody

5013
02:29:07,712 --> 02:29:10,712
embraced and loved being slowly

5014
02:29:17,986 --> 02:29:20,986
chopped down and replaced with

5015
02:29:27,913 --> 02:29:30,313
more formal landscaping along

5016
02:29:37,563 --> 02:29:41,163
some of the streets in areas

5017
02:29:46,280 --> 02:29:48,428
even though residents didn't

5018
02:29:54,196 --> 02:29:57,796
want it it's what the homeowners

5019
02:30:04,310 --> 02:30:07,310
association did because I don't

5020
02:30:14,565 --> 02:30:16,965
know somebody knew somebody.

5021
02:30:23,570 --> 02:30:27,257
But I really do feel like we

5022
02:30:31,236 --> 02:30:33,236
need something there.

5023
02:30:38,806 --> 02:30:43,600
I don't know what it would look

5024
02:30:46,933 --> 02:30:50,533
like, but I think expecting it

5025
02:30:54,844 --> 02:30:57,844
to be self-regulating is, is

5026
02:31:03,112 --> 02:31:06,712
going to be a challenge because

5027
02:31:11,259 --> 02:31:14,259
things, things do change, and

5028
02:31:19,287 --> 02:31:21,687
managers do change, and

5029
02:31:28,372 --> 02:31:31,972
sometimes it just all boils down

5030
02:31:37,360 --> 02:31:41,560
to money and I hate to say

5031
02:31:46,193 --> 02:31:48,193
that.

5032
02:31:55,229 --> 02:31:59,429
And while I'm on the subject of

5033
02:32:03,921 --> 02:32:06,921
landscaping, I was curious now

5034
02:32:12,888 --> 02:32:15,888
when you did your first

5035
02:32:22,278 --> 02:32:25,878
presentation to us, you kind of

5036
02:32:32,518 --> 02:32:36,118
had this little vision that you

5037
02:32:43,245 --> 02:32:46,845
shard of walking down a natural

5038
02:32:53,791 --> 02:32:57,991
path in the woods and I remember

5039
02:33:04,884 --> 02:33:07,284
talking about edible landscaping

5040
02:33:14,200 --> 02:33:18,400
at this point so can you talk

5041
02:33:22,400 --> 02:33:25,604
about had you that would fit

5042
02:33:29,698 --> 02:33:31,698
into the.

5043
02:33:37,634 --> 02:33:39,634
>> of course.

5044
02:33:44,943 --> 02:33:46,943
Yeah.

5045
02:33:52,279 --> 02:33:57,790
Back up one step try to give you

5046
02:33:59,218 --> 02:34:03,418
an answer on the farm on the

5047
02:34:07,299 --> 02:34:09,299
agriculture self-regulation.

5048
02:34:15,196 --> 02:34:18,796
I think important piece there is

5049
02:34:22,780 --> 02:34:25,180
having the ownership and

5050
02:34:31,980 --> 02:34:34,698
obligation live in the cdd or

5051
02:34:39,195 --> 02:34:41,195
hoa.

5052
02:34:46,601 --> 02:34:49,601
Just answer the question much%

5053
02:34:54,628 --> 02:34:57,628
like an amenity center in

5054
02:35:02,419 --> 02:35:04,819
another neighborhood, that's --

5055
02:35:09,754 --> 02:35:13,354
>> it's got to be really --

5056
02:35:16,595 --> 02:35:18,595
>> obligation --

5057
02:35:23,883 --> 02:35:27,483
>> yeah and it's got to be

5058
02:35:30,707 --> 02:35:32,707
really clear.

5059
02:35:38,724 --> 02:35:41,124
>> -- hold that amenity.

5060
02:35:45,434 --> 02:35:49,340
>> it's got to be really clear

5061
02:35:52,317 --> 02:35:54,717
because inale it wasn't

5062
02:35:59,241 --> 02:36:01,241
necessarily clear.

5063
02:36:06,920 --> 02:36:08,492
>> yeah, I think that's

5064
02:36:13,968 --> 02:36:16,368
important for us too.

5065
02:36:20,825 --> 02:36:23,825
I think the clarity for

5066
02:36:27,785 --> 02:36:29,785
potential homeowners that's

5067
02:36:33,792 --> 02:36:36,192
going to be necessary.

5068
02:36:38,859 --> 02:36:42,459
So that, to answer that part,

5069
02:36:43,482 --> 02:36:47,820
the second part of that though

5070
02:36:47,314 --> 02:36:50,314
for the edible landscaping I

5071
02:36:50,445 --> 02:36:53,198
think that goes back what I was

5072
02:36:53,198 --> 02:36:55,939
telling you my original vision

5073
02:36:55,939 --> 02:36:58,434
for this and one of the primary

5074
02:36:58,434 --> 02:37:00,626
millers is not only street

5075
02:37:00,626 --> 02:37:02,626
design and walkable

5076
02:37:02,981 --> 02:37:04,842
neighborhoods but sidewalks,

5077
02:37:04,842 --> 02:37:07,250
those are all very important

5078
02:37:07,250 --> 02:37:09,202
pieces of this presentation no

5079
02:37:09,202 --> 02:37:11,450
doubt but also some of the

5080
02:37:11,450 --> 02:37:13,529
natural landscape and having

5081
02:37:13,529 --> 02:37:15,362
trail ways through them and then

5082
02:37:15,362 --> 02:37:17,196
incorporating and we're working

5083
02:37:17,196 --> 02:37:19,173
with epd through some of the

5084
02:37:19,173 --> 02:37:21,380
criteria on what can be

5085
02:37:21,380 --> 02:37:23,380
implemented and potentially

5086
02:37:23,147 --> 02:37:25,191
added in some of those c ma

5087
02:37:25,191 --> 02:37:27,540
where we could implement either

5088
02:37:27,540 --> 02:37:28,910
restoration implementation or

5089
02:37:28,910 --> 02:37:30,910
potentially some edible

5090
02:37:30,934 --> 02:37:32,945
landscaping so the vision with

5091
02:37:32,945 --> 02:37:34,738
that was that we try to keep a

5092
02:37:34,738 --> 02:37:36,260
lot of the especially perimeter

5093
02:37:36,260 --> 02:37:38,155
or integrated conservation trail

5094
02:37:38,155 --> 02:37:39,994
ways in a way that you get to

5095
02:37:39,994 --> 02:37:41,994
experience edible landscaping

5096
02:37:42,119 --> 02:37:43,808
and wildlife and under tree

5097
02:37:43,808 --> 02:37:45,733
canopies so some of that will be

5098
02:37:45,733 --> 02:37:47,419
working in hand in hand with

5099
02:37:47,419 --> 02:37:49,204
staff and working through and

5100
02:37:49,204 --> 02:37:51,170
weaving through some policy mike

5101
02:37:51,170 --> 02:37:52,992
sure we can make all that happen

5102
02:37:52,992 --> 02:37:54,754
in a way that is meaningful.

5103
02:37:54,754 --> 02:37:56,530
>> yeah, I mean, I think about

5104
02:37:56,530 --> 02:37:58,394
my kids getting to experience,

5105
02:37:58,394 --> 02:37:59,865
you know, mullberries or pawpaws

5106
02:37:59,865 --> 02:38:01,574
or things like that that you

5107
02:38:01,574 --> 02:38:03,355
don't necessarily see anymore

5108
02:38:03,355 --> 02:38:05,212
because you know nobody's

5109
02:38:05,212 --> 02:38:06,838
growing them commercially really

5110
02:38:06,838 --> 02:38:08,607
but you know they're great.

5111
02:38:08,607 --> 02:38:10,600
>> yeah, this is an opportunity

5112
02:38:10,600 --> 02:38:11,594
to do that.

5113
02:38:11,594 --> 02:38:13,385
I mean, it just, especially

5114
02:38:13,385 --> 02:38:15,275
considering in the trailway

5115
02:38:15,275 --> 02:38:16,815
system it's really not

5116
02:38:16,815 --> 02:38:18,169
commercial, it's scale.

5117
02:38:18,169 --> 02:38:19,345
It's more of an experience and

5118
02:38:19,345 --> 02:38:20,585
so that's something that we

5119
02:38:20,585 --> 02:38:21,669
value that I think we're excited

5120
02:38:21,669 --> 02:38:22,845
to have the opportunity to work

5121
02:38:22,845 --> 02:38:23,859
with ifas on potentially you

5122
02:38:23,859 --> 02:38:25,235
know using, would love to pair

5123
02:38:25,235 --> 02:38:26,900
up in some way to have some

5124
02:38:26,900 --> 02:38:27,110
lurch component but then also be

5125
02:38:27,110 --> 02:38:28,161
used you know improve genetic or

5126
02:38:28,161 --> 02:38:29,102
fruit stock and would love to

5127
02:38:29,102 --> 02:38:30,130
see how that can evolve.

5128
02:38:30,130 --> 02:38:31,540
We plan on incorporating a lot

5129
02:38:31,540 --> 02:38:32,520
of that into the trail system.

5130
02:38:32,520 --> 02:38:32,986
>> awesome.

5131
02:38:32,986 --> 02:38:33,934
Thank you.

5132
02:38:33,934 --> 02:38:34,989
All right.

5133
02:38:34,989 --> 02:38:35,837
Let me see, if I got all of my

5134
02:38:35,837 --> 02:38:36,729
little stars.

5135
02:38:36,729 --> 02:38:37,900
And I think this goes without

5136
02:38:37,900 --> 02:38:38,794
saying but we are measuring 50%

5137
02:38:38,794 --> 02:38:39,768
development by the number of

5138
02:38:39,768 --> 02:38:40,677
residential units?

5139
02:38:40,677 --> 02:38:41,644
Or.

5140
02:38:41,644 --> 02:38:42,731
>> one-half of 2700.

5141
02:38:42,731 --> 02:38:43,677
>> 2500?

5142
02:38:43,677 --> 02:38:44,689
>>> 50% of what?

5143
02:38:44,689 --> 02:38:45,652
>> of residential units or

5144
02:38:45,652 --> 02:38:46,564
residents or area developed,

5145
02:38:46,564 --> 02:38:47,485
what is 50% mean?

5146
02:38:47,485 --> 02:38:48,630
>> for the archer road.

5147
02:38:48,630 --> 02:38:49,897
>> oh, yaw

5148
02:38:49,897 --> 02:38:50,946
yeah, it would be the

5149
02:38:50,946 --> 02:38:52,220
eunice, intensity of

5150
02:38:52,220 --> 02:38:53,930
development.

5151
02:38:53,930 --> 02:38:54,120
>> intensity of development,

5152
02:38:54,120 --> 02:38:55,220
just wanted to, I figured

5153
02:38:55,220 --> 02:38:55,848
somebody's going to ask me that,

5154
02:38:55,848 --> 02:38:56,829
so I figured I should ask.

5155
02:38:56,829 --> 02:38:57,765
Okay.

5156
02:38:57,765 --> 02:38:58,840
That's all I have right now.

5157
02:38:58,840 --> 02:38:59,840
>> thank you, commissioner.

5158
02:38:59,840 --> 02:39:01,130
Commissioner wheeler.

5159
02:39:01,130 --> 02:39:02,740
>> yes, I just want to thank the

5160
02:39:02,740 --> 02:39:03,158
group.

5161
02:39:03,158 --> 02:39:04,372
I've been asking for eight years

5162
02:39:04,372 --> 02:39:05,448
now every development to give me

5163
02:39:05,448 --> 02:39:06,338
something I've never seen

5164
02:39:06,338 --> 02:39:07,490
before.

5165
02:39:07,490 --> 02:39:07,974
Now I know it's time I can

5166
02:39:07,974 --> 02:39:08,838
finally retire I

5167
02:39:08,838 --> 02:39:09,662
I was on a jake

5168
02:39:09,662 --> 02:39:10,432
fuller cartoon I always got the

5169
02:39:10,432 --> 02:39:11,278
last word on a water video

5170
02:39:11,278 --> 02:39:12,177
today, and now getting to see

5171
02:39:12,177 --> 02:39:13,131
something that I've never seen

5172
02:39:13,131 --> 02:39:13,815
before, and to watch all of you

5173
02:39:13,815 --> 02:39:14,680
who were a part of the team that

5174
02:39:14,680 --> 02:39:15,456
I was there that visiting that

5175
02:39:15,456 --> 02:39:16,176
day was remarkable to see the

5176
02:39:16,176 --> 02:39:16,874
energy and the enthusiasm and

5177
02:39:16,874 --> 02:39:17,718
the commitment to this project

5178
02:39:17,718 --> 02:39:18,163
being able to make a community

5179
02:39:18,163 --> 02:39:18,663
that is charming and, and is

5180
02:39:18,663 --> 02:39:19,180
inviting.

5181
02:39:19,180 --> 02:39:19,766
And inviting community so I do

5182
02:39:19,766 --> 02:39:20,502
hope you all will put some of

5183
02:39:20,502 --> 02:39:20,990
those cracker houses that I saw

5184
02:39:20,990 --> 02:39:21,514
the designs for out there.

5185
02:39:21,514 --> 02:39:22,820
You know, that are, are

5186
02:39:22,820 --> 02:39:22,629
reminiscent of a calmer, easier

5187
02:39:22,629 --> 02:39:23,334
time.

5188
02:39:23,334 --> 02:39:23,926
You know people try, travel to

5189
02:39:23,926 --> 02:39:24,604
disney all the time to see these

5190
02:39:24,604 --> 02:39:25,293
kinds of communities, you know,

5191
02:39:25,293 --> 02:39:25,853
that you all are talking about

5192
02:39:25,853 --> 02:39:26,375
trying to do, and that's what it

5193
02:39:26,375 --> 02:39:26,941
felt like when I was there.

5194
02:39:26,941 --> 02:39:27,462
You all were creating this place

5195
02:39:27,462 --> 02:39:28,270
that people would want to be.

5196
02:39:28,270 --> 02:39:28,489
And it was really exciting to

5197
02:39:28,489 --> 02:39:28,960
see that.

5198
02:39:28,960 --> 02:39:29,573
In motion and I would really

5199
02:39:29,573 --> 02:39:30,202
like to make this motion now.

5200
02:39:30,202 --> 02:39:30,831
I know we're going to have

5201
02:39:30,831 --> 02:39:31,433
community speaking up.

5202
02:39:31,433 --> 02:39:31,985
>> good I mean we need to have a

5203
02:39:31,985 --> 02:39:32,542
motion.

5204
02:39:32,542 --> 02:39:33,151
>> I move that we transmit the

5205
02:39:33,151 --> 02:39:33,746
application z26-000005 with the

5206
02:39:33,746 --> 02:39:34,306
staff recommended policies to

5207
02:39:34,306 --> 02:39:34,918
the state for review and

5208
02:39:34,918 --> 02:39:35,540
comment.

5209
02:39:35,540 --> 02:39:36,102
>> second.

5210
02:39:36,102 --> 02:39:36,584
>> second.

5211
02:39:36,584 --> 02:39:37,650
>> chair: motion and two

5212
02:39:37,650 --> 02:39:37,527
seconds.

5213
02:39:37,527 --> 02:39:38,460
All right.

5214
02:39:38,460 --> 02:39:38,543
>> thank you now I can retire.

5215
02:39:38,543 --> 02:39:39,320
>> chair: do you conclude?

5216
02:39:39,320 --> 02:39:39,547
Do you conclude?

5217
02:39:39,547 --> 02:39:40,260
Commissioner chestnut.

5218
02:39:40,260 --> 02:39:40,689
>> thank you, MR. Chair.

5219
02:39:40,689 --> 02:39:41,224
I guess I have a couple of

5220
02:39:41,224 --> 02:39:41,815
questions first of all, how many

5221
02:39:41,815 --> 02:39:42,413
farmstead communities are

5222
02:39:42,413 --> 02:39:42,823
there?

5223
02:39:42,823 --> 02:39:43,289
Is this the first or?

5224
02:39:43,289 --> 02:39:43,782
Or is it more in florida?

5225
02:39:43,782 --> 02:39:44,371
I'm just asking.

5226
02:39:44,371 --> 02:39:44,860
>> you mean in the county or are

5227
02:39:44,860 --> 02:39:45,307
you just mean in general.

5228
02:39:45,307 --> 02:39:45,829
>> in general because to me this

5229
02:39:45,829 --> 02:39:46,291
is the first time I ever seen

5230
02:39:46,291 --> 02:39:46,827
anything like it so that's while

5231
02:39:46,827 --> 02:39:47,373
yiep

5232
02:39:47,373 --> 02:39:47,930
I'm asking.

5233
02:39:47,930 --> 02:39:48,483
>> I would not dare to think

5234
02:39:48,483 --> 02:39:49,110
there is something different to

5235
02:39:49,110 --> 02:39:49,499
this.

5236
02:39:49,499 --> 02:39:50,400
There are definitely different

5237
02:39:50,400 --> 02:39:50,500
versionses of this but I think

5238
02:39:50,500 --> 02:39:51,101
what we have built under the

5239
02:39:51,101 --> 02:39:51,695
guidelines of what your staff

5240
02:39:51,695 --> 02:39:52,204
has recommended is very unique.

5241
02:39:52,204 --> 02:39:52,708
I would not shy away from that.

5242
02:39:52,708 --> 02:39:53,219
There MAY be farm components to

5243
02:39:53,219 --> 02:39:53,675
communities that MAY exist

5244
02:39:53,675 --> 02:39:54,460
elsewhere but with all of the

5245
02:39:54,460 --> 02:39:54,642
processes and policy that

5246
02:39:54,642 --> 02:39:55,570
they've recommended I would

5247
02:39:55,570 --> 02:39:55,714
imagine we're very unique.

5248
02:39:55,714 --> 02:39:56,223
>> there are a lot of

5249
02:39:56,223 --> 02:39:56,752
farmsteads.

5250
02:39:56,752 --> 02:39:57,134
>> MR. Mayors, did you want

5251
02:39:57,134 --> 02:39:57,558
to -- I saw you jump up.

5252
02:39:57,558 --> 02:39:58,150
>> [Off mic]

5253
02:39:58,150 --> 02:39:58,541
72 austin, do you want justice

5254
02:39:58,541 --> 02:39:59,800
to.

5255
02:39:59,800 --> 02:39:59,393
>> yeah.

5256
02:39:59,393 --> 02:39:59,708
>> yeah, please.

5257
02:39:59,708 --> 02:40:00,180
>> I was just curious.

5258
02:40:00,180 --> 02:40:00,851
>> I think austin's answer was

5259
02:40:00,851 --> 02:40:01,210
great in terms of I think there

5260
02:40:01,210 --> 02:40:01,571
is like a spectrum of like kind

5261
02:40:01,571 --> 02:40:02,134
of these farm-based

5262
02:40:02,134 --> 02:40:02,686
communities.

5263
02:40:02,686 --> 02:40:02,927
And this is I think on that like

5264
02:40:02,927 --> 02:40:03,782
deeper end of like really having

5265
02:40:03,782 --> 02:40:04,787
it be like a core part of the

5266
02:40:04,787 --> 02:40:05,472
neighborhood and a very like

5267
02:40:05,472 --> 02:40:05,990
real and authentic way where

5268
02:40:05,990 --> 02:40:06,582
it's not just kind of like

5269
02:40:06,582 --> 02:40:06,950
checking a box ear kind of like

5270
02:40:06,950 --> 02:40:07,590
a farm in name only.

5271
02:40:07,590 --> 02:40:08,200
And so I think and that end it

5272
02:40:08,200 --> 02:40:08,401
is one of the more unique

5273
02:40:08,401 --> 02:40:08,779
projects and there is not like

5274
02:40:08,779 --> 02:40:09,397
necessarily like a formal like

5275
02:40:09,397 --> 02:40:09,983
governing body or definition of

5276
02:40:09,983 --> 02:40:10,552
like what is a farmstead or

5277
02:40:10,552 --> 02:40:11,370
agri -- like this but I think

5278
02:40:11,370 --> 02:40:11,570
this is on that end of the

5279
02:40:11,570 --> 02:40:12,380
spectrum that really kind of

5280
02:40:12,380 --> 02:40:12,541
captures like the vision of how

5281
02:40:12,541 --> 02:40:13,700
a farm can be integrated into a

5282
02:40:13,700 --> 02:40:13,631
neighborhood and really have it

5283
02:40:13,631 --> 02:40:14,122
be like a deeply valuable

5284
02:40:14,122 --> 02:40:14,664
thing.

5285
02:40:14,664 --> 02:40:15,168
>> okay.

5286
02:40:15,168 --> 02:40:15,577
My next question, I think during

5287
02:40:15,577 --> 02:40:16,140
the presentation, they stated

5288
02:40:16,140 --> 02:40:16,411
there would be fruits and

5289
02:40:16,411 --> 02:40:16,792
vegetables but I never heard

5290
02:40:16,792 --> 02:40:17,230
anything about any animals.

5291
02:40:17,230 --> 02:40:17,734
Are there going to be animals?

5292
02:40:17,734 --> 02:40:18,176
>> so I think --

5293
02:40:18,176 --> 02:40:18,632
>> and what kind.

5294
02:40:18,632 --> 02:40:19,104
>> yeah, so some of or other

5295
02:40:19,104 --> 02:40:19,602
projects we have like pasture

5296
02:40:19,602 --> 02:40:20,620
pull tree

5297
02:40:20,620 --> 02:40:20,454
powelltry.

5298
02:40:20,454 --> 02:40:21,700
For

5299
02:40:21,700 --> 02:40:21,384
poultry.

5300
02:40:21,384 --> 02:40:21,846
For some places an educational

5301
02:40:21,846 --> 02:40:22,345
chicken coop, 20, 25 birds and

5302
02:40:22,345 --> 02:40:22,798
others you have egg production

5303
02:40:22,798 --> 02:40:23,139
with 2

5304
02:40:23,139 --> 02:40:23,621
200, 300 birds same with

5305
02:40:23,621 --> 02:40:24,172
an apiary we will have 10 hives

5306
02:40:24,172 --> 02:40:24,621
there is a showcase piece but we

5307
02:40:24,621 --> 02:40:25,100
could have 80 to 100 and have

5308
02:40:25,100 --> 02:40:25,533
honey production so I think

5309
02:40:25,533 --> 02:40:25,843
where we are now in the planning

5310
02:40:25,843 --> 02:40:26,186
we'll be especially the

5311
02:40:26,186 --> 02:40:26,518
educational pieces that are

5312
02:40:26,518 --> 02:40:26,870
woven in and then there is

5313
02:40:26,870 --> 02:40:27,159
opportunity to have like larger

5314
02:40:27,159 --> 02:40:27,465
scale animal ag as well that

5315
02:40:27,465 --> 02:40:27,928
kind of how it evolves down the

5316
02:40:27,928 --> 02:40:28,337
road.

5317
02:40:28,337 --> 02:40:28,750
But I think like vegetables,

5318
02:40:28,750 --> 02:40:29,720
fruits and flowers are really

5319
02:40:29,720 --> 02:40:29,397
like the main driver like

5320
02:40:29,397 --> 02:40:29,633
diversified year round basis and

5321
02:40:29,633 --> 02:40:29,910
then you can kind of slide in

5322
02:40:29,910 --> 02:40:30,363
animals around the way if

5323
02:40:30,363 --> 02:40:30,658
needed.

5324
02:40:30,658 --> 02:40:30,971
>> the only reason I ask that

5325
02:40:30,971 --> 02:40:31,308
question because was I remember

5326
02:40:31,308 --> 02:40:31,632
MR. Lee saying that their farm

5327
02:40:31,632 --> 02:40:31,916
been there for many years then a

5328
02:40:31,916 --> 02:40:32,236
development started building

5329
02:40:32,236 --> 02:40:32,625
around them and people from

5330
02:40:32,625 --> 02:40:32,899
haile plantation don't mean to

5331
02:40:32,899 --> 02:40:33,300
pick on haile plantation but

5332
02:40:33,300 --> 02:40:33,643
were complaining about the

5333
02:40:33,643 --> 02:40:34,230
cows.

5334
02:40:34,230 --> 02:40:34,323
At night mooing and tough like

5335
02:40:34,323 --> 02:40:34,612
that.

5336
02:40:34,612 --> 02:40:34,992
So that's why I asked that

5337
02:40:34,992 --> 02:40:35,272
question because what I want to

5338
02:40:35,272 --> 02:40:35,587
make sure happens is that when

5339
02:40:35,587 --> 02:40:35,812
folks buy property there, that

5340
02:40:35,812 --> 02:40:36,248
they know that they're buying

5341
02:40:36,248 --> 02:40:36,470
into a farm.

5342
02:40:36,470 --> 02:40:36,708
>> sure, yeah.

5343
02:40:36,708 --> 02:40:37,920
>> keep in mind that 20-acre

5344
02:40:37,920 --> 02:40:37,300
working farm MAY be more

5345
02:40:37,300 --> 02:40:37,505
primarily directed at fruits and

5346
02:40:37,505 --> 02:40:37,892
veggies but there is another --

5347
02:40:37,892 --> 02:40:38,306
you know at the part of a

5348
02:40:38,306 --> 02:40:38,668
200-acre you know agriculture

5349
02:40:38,668 --> 02:40:38,928
conservation open space

5350
02:40:38,928 --> 02:40:39,205
requirement so we might have

5351
02:40:39,205 --> 02:40:39,493
other areas and again we're

5352
02:40:39,493 --> 02:40:39,927
still in planning stages but we

5353
02:40:39,927 --> 02:40:40,275
might have other areas that have

5354
02:40:40,275 --> 02:40:40,691
livestock you know horses or

5355
02:40:40,691 --> 02:40:40,957
cattle or goats and maybe a

5356
02:40:40,957 --> 02:40:41,489
little bit farther awaifrom

5357
02:40:41,489 --> 02:40:41,735
community have but still allow

5358
02:40:41,735 --> 02:40:42,780
those uses.

5359
02:40:42,780 --> 02:40:42,502
>> cute little pig maybe.

5360
02:40:42,502 --> 02:40:42,893
>> yeah.

5361
02:40:42,893 --> 02:40:43,145
[Laughter]

5362
02:40:43,145 --> 02:40:43,561
>> my daughter had any say in

5363
02:40:43,561 --> 02:40:43,939
it, probably.

5364
02:40:43,939 --> 02:40:44,230
>> and I guess my last question

5365
02:40:44,230 --> 02:40:44,599
is what phase will the farm go

5366
02:40:44,599 --> 02:40:44,933
in to an active farm.

5367
02:40:44,933 --> 02:40:45,264
>> heeds the first phase.

5368
02:40:45,264 --> 02:40:45,662
>> that's important.

5369
02:40:45,662 --> 02:40:45,946
Thanks for mentioning that.

5370
02:40:45,946 --> 02:40:46,248
Our commitment is that

5371
02:40:46,248 --> 02:40:46,713
implementation is up front.

5372
02:40:46,713 --> 02:40:47,122
So keep in mind the property is

5373
02:40:47,122 --> 02:40:47,517
being farmed today and we wanted

5374
02:40:47,517 --> 02:40:47,955
not only some of the areas that

5375
02:40:47,955 --> 02:40:48,348
are later development that they

5376
02:40:48,348 --> 02:40:48,741
continue to be farmed but the

5377
02:40:48,741 --> 02:40:49,710
actual working farm be

5378
02:40:49,710 --> 02:40:49,570
implemented up front ask

5379
02:40:49,570 --> 02:40:49,992
obviously there is phasing

5380
02:40:49,992 --> 02:40:50,407
involved in that.

5381
02:40:50,407 --> 02:40:50,935
I mean we couldn't move in day 1

5382
02:40:50,935 --> 02:40:51,398
and have the sort of intensies

5383
02:40:51,398 --> 02:40:51,765
over the entire 20 acres that

5384
02:40:51,765 --> 02:40:52,380
you will have as homes come in.

5385
02:40:52,380 --> 02:40:52,366
But the implementation of that

5386
02:40:52,366 --> 02:40:52,770
farm at some scale day 1 is a

5387
02:40:52,770 --> 02:40:53,229
commitment of ours.

5388
02:40:53,229 --> 02:40:53,567
>> okay.

5389
02:40:53,567 --> 02:40:53,957
And I guess my last comment,

5390
02:40:53,957 --> 02:40:54,294
thank you for the presentation.

5391
02:40:54,294 --> 02:40:54,685
It was very informative.

5392
02:40:54,685 --> 02:40:54,934
My first time seeing something

5393
02:40:54,934 --> 02:40:55,301
like this I think that it

5394
02:40:55,301 --> 02:40:55,794
probably would be a great

5395
02:40:55,794 --> 02:40:56,192
success is and that's why I

5396
02:40:56,192 --> 02:40:56,535
second the motion.

5397
02:40:56,535 --> 02:40:56,770
>> thank you.

5398
02:40:56,770 --> 02:40:57,340
>> so thank you.

5399
02:40:57,340 --> 02:40:57,472
>> chair: thank you,

5400
02:40:57,472 --> 02:40:57,740
commissioner.

5401
02:40:57,740 --> 02:40:58,163
commissioner prizzia.

5402
02:40:58,163 --> 02:40:58,432
>> yeah, to both commissioner

5403
02:40:58,432 --> 02:40:58,738
alford and I have both expressed

5404
02:40:58,738 --> 02:40:59,240
our concerns.

5405
02:40:59,240 --> 02:40:59,344
I think and you'll have to

5406
02:40:59,344 --> 02:40:59,665
forgive me.

5407
02:40:59,665 --> 02:40:59,969
I'm not trying to be a stick in

5408
02:40:59,969 --> 02:41:00,297
the mud about this.

5409
02:41:00,297 --> 02:41:00,674
As you know I should be the most

5410
02:41:00,674 --> 02:41:00,945
excited about here being the

5411
02:41:00,945 --> 02:41:01,313
local food maven we're doing a

5412
02:41:01,313 --> 02:41:01,610
development that has ag at its

5413
02:41:01,610 --> 02:41:01,882
core.

5414
02:41:01,882 --> 02:41:02,212
But yun we just had to deal with

5415
02:41:02,212 --> 02:41:02,527
a pd that had a golf course as

5416
02:41:02,527 --> 02:41:02,825
an amenity and you know 50 years

5417
02:41:02,825 --> 02:41:03,258
ago everybody thought golf

5418
02:41:03,258 --> 02:41:03,790
courses in the middle of

5419
02:41:03,790 --> 02:41:04,323
developments were going to be

5420
02:41:04,323 --> 02:41:04,504
the most amazing thing and

5421
02:41:04,504 --> 02:41:04,938
everyone was going to want to

5422
02:41:04,938 --> 02:41:05,258
live on a golf course and it

5423
02:41:05,258 --> 02:41:05,551
gave them free open space and

5424
02:41:05,551 --> 02:41:06,540
now that pd is trying to split

5425
02:41:06,540 --> 02:41:06,476
off the golf course and wanted

5426
02:41:06,476 --> 02:41:06,781
to sell it and we ended up

5427
02:41:06,781 --> 02:41:07,281
buying it as a park because we

5428
02:41:07,281 --> 02:41:07,728
had this situation.

5429
02:41:07,728 --> 02:41:08,151
I want to make sure that we're

5430
02:41:08,151 --> 02:41:08,398
not doing the same thing with

5431
02:41:08,398 --> 02:41:08,841
this development that in 50

5432
02:41:08,841 --> 02:41:09,259
years we're not going to have

5433
02:41:09,259 --> 02:41:09,746
people standing up trying to

5434
02:41:09,746 --> 02:41:10,216
sell that part of their pd and

5435
02:41:10,216 --> 02:41:10,563
rezone it and turn it into

5436
02:41:10,563 --> 02:41:10,898
something else so they can.

5437
02:41:10,898 --> 02:41:11,252
>> or meadow brook.

5438
02:41:11,252 --> 02:41:11,754
>> I've seen those happen and

5439
02:41:11,754 --> 02:41:12,115
where they create these amenity

5440
02:41:12,115 --> 02:41:12,445
based developments and then it's

5441
02:41:12,445 --> 02:41:12,808
not cool anymore and then they

5442
02:41:12,808 --> 02:41:13,134
want to change it.

5443
02:41:13,134 --> 02:41:13,466
>> so MR. Chair, I think both

5444
02:41:13,466 --> 02:41:13,710
the applicant and staff have

5445
02:41:13,710 --> 02:41:13,988
heard at least that comment

5446
02:41:13,988 --> 02:41:14,239
pretty clearly I think we have

5447
02:41:14,239 --> 02:41:14,477
some thoughts about how we might

5448
02:41:14,477 --> 02:41:14,771
deal with that, I don't think

5449
02:41:14,771 --> 02:41:15,320
they're ready for production at

5450
02:41:15,320 --> 02:41:15,580
transmittal and sort of

5451
02:41:15,580 --> 02:41:15,832
wordsmithing that right now MAY

5452
02:41:15,832 --> 02:41:16,510
not be great.

5453
02:41:16,510 --> 02:41:16,316
I think the thought that we have

5454
02:41:16,316 --> 02:41:16,536
is that we transmit it if the

5455
02:41:16,536 --> 02:41:16,876
board wants to transmit it, that

5456
02:41:16,876 --> 02:41:17,313
we transmit it as is.

5457
02:41:17,313 --> 02:41:17,563
But with the some language in

5458
02:41:17,563 --> 02:41:17,753
the motion that gets at when we

5459
02:41:17,753 --> 02:41:18,430
come back for adoption having

5460
02:41:18,430 --> 02:41:18,345
some better handle on that

5461
02:41:18,345 --> 02:41:18,581
working farm component like

5462
02:41:18,581 --> 02:41:18,841
maybe it has to be under common

5463
02:41:18,841 --> 02:41:19,730
ownership or you know whatever

5464
02:41:19,730 --> 02:41:19,294
that language is, but something

5465
02:41:19,294 --> 02:41:19,506
that addresses the comments

5466
02:41:19,506 --> 02:41:19,912
that --

5467
02:41:19,912 --> 02:41:20,203
>> do you mind adding that to

5468
02:41:20,203 --> 02:41:20,417
the motion, marihelen?

5469
02:41:20,417 --> 02:41:20,649
>> certainly.

5470
02:41:20,649 --> 02:41:20,832
Certainly.

5471
02:41:20,832 --> 02:41:21,760
>> the applicant and the, and

5472
02:41:21,760 --> 02:41:21,284
staff are okay?

5473
02:41:21,284 --> 02:41:21,638
So essentially that by adoption,

5474
02:41:21,638 --> 02:41:21,891
which would also be the same

5475
02:41:21,891 --> 02:41:22,229
time as the pd, that the

5476
02:41:22,229 --> 02:41:22,522
applicant and staff will work on

5477
02:41:22,522 --> 02:41:22,874
something to provide protection

5478
02:41:22,874 --> 02:41:23,445
of the long-term management of

5479
02:41:23,445 --> 02:41:23,812
the farm.

5480
02:41:23,812 --> 02:41:24,846
Okay.

5481
02:41:24,846 --> 02:41:25,414
You good with that?

5482
02:41:25,414 --> 02:41:26,281
>> that's agreeable.

5483
02:41:26,281 --> 02:41:27,749
>> MAY I make a comment about

5484
02:41:27,749 --> 02:41:30,149
that though because you're

5485
02:41:30,151 --> 02:41:31,786
talking 30 to 50 years from now

5486
02:41:31,786 --> 02:41:32,421
where farmer MAY not be possible

5487
02:41:32,421 --> 02:41:33,555
here.

5488
02:41:33,555 --> 02:41:34,556
-- farming MAY not be possible

5489
02:41:34,556 --> 02:41:36,900
here because of the climate.

5490
02:41:36,900 --> 02:41:36,658
>> I think -- I got faith in

5491
02:41:36,658 --> 02:41:37,425
austin roberts.

5492
02:41:37,425 --> 02:41:37,819
I think he will be able to do

5493
02:41:37,819 --> 02:41:39,628
it.

5494
02:41:39,628 --> 02:41:40,495
And he looks young enough that

5495
02:41:40,495 --> 02:41:42,297
he will still be alive.

5496
02:41:42,297 --> 02:41:44,990
>> that's not my point.

5497
02:41:44,990 --> 02:41:45,601
My point is that if we need to

5498
02:41:45,601 --> 02:41:47,970
change in 30 years, the people

5499
02:41:47,970 --> 02:41:51,672
who are here now have to change

5500
02:41:51,672 --> 02:41:54,476
the way it is, you know, it is

5501
02:41:54,476 --> 02:41:56,478
implemented, then it MAY not

5502
02:41:56,478 --> 02:41:58,800
even be to have it as farming.

5503
02:41:58,800 --> 02:41:58,747
You know, anymore.

5504
02:41:58,747 --> 02:42:00,820
>> yes, ma'am, at that time we

5505
02:42:00,820 --> 02:42:01,350
could come back to the board at

5506
02:42:01,350 --> 02:42:03,118
that time obviously to ask.

5507
02:42:03,118 --> 02:42:05,454
>> of course 30 years from now.

5508
02:42:05,454 --> 02:42:07,890
>> and I think, I think the key

5509
02:42:07,890 --> 02:42:09,925
piece in those examples you had

5510
02:42:09,925 --> 02:42:11,260
was private ownership of a

5511
02:42:11,260 --> 02:42:14,260
common amenity and I think

5512
02:42:14,295 --> 02:42:16,131
that's pretty easy for us to

5513
02:42:16,131 --> 02:42:16,398
mitigate through cdd and

5514
02:42:16,398 --> 02:42:18,398
ownership.

5515
02:42:18,968 --> 02:42:19,802
I think that's the piece of --

5516
02:42:19,802 --> 02:42:20,502
on those practices.

5517
02:42:20,502 --> 02:42:22,502
>> thank you, austin.

5518
02:42:23,505 --> 02:42:23,772
Okay, so we've got motion and a

5519
02:42:23,772 --> 02:42:25,607
second.

5520
02:42:25,607 --> 02:42:27,510
We've heard from staff, we've

5521
02:42:27,510 --> 02:42:29,244
heard from the applicant, it is

5522
02:42:29,244 --> 02:42:31,480
time for our amazing citizens

5523
02:42:31,480 --> 02:42:32,615
that are here to come forward.

5524
02:42:32,615 --> 02:42:33,916
We'd like to hear from you all,

5525
02:42:33,916 --> 02:42:35,684
then we will come back to the

5526
02:42:35,684 --> 02:42:36,285
board we'll have further

5527
02:42:36,285 --> 02:42:38,354
deliberations, and then we'll

5528
02:42:38,354 --> 02:42:40,880
see where this goes.

5529
02:42:40,880 --> 02:42:41,223
If you will introduce yourself,

5530
02:42:41,223 --> 02:42:44,223
we've got a light system.

5531
02:42:45,194 --> 02:42:45,461
Green means go, yellow means 30

5532
02:42:45,461 --> 02:42:47,196
seconds,.

5533
02:42:47,196 --> 02:42:48,497
>> chair, commissioners I'm

5534
02:42:48,497 --> 02:42:50,432
grinning because I don't think I

5535
02:42:50,432 --> 02:42:52,802
have ever been in the position

5536
02:42:52,802 --> 02:42:57,200
that I am in now, the position

5537
02:42:57,740 --> 02:42:59,141
I'm in now is I'm going to say a

5538
02:42:59,141 --> 02:43:02,612
little tiny no in a whole course

5539
02:43:02,612 --> 02:43:05,140
of yeses and that's kind of fun

5540
02:43:05,140 --> 02:43:08,614
and I'm glad to be here.

5541
02:43:09,151 --> 02:43:10,553
Jay rosen beck, chair of epac.

5542
02:43:10,553 --> 02:43:12,154
Epac recommends the

5543
02:43:12,154 --> 02:43:14,554
comprehensive plan amendment not

5544
02:43:15,240 --> 02:43:15,358
be approved as currently

5545
02:43:15,358 --> 02:43:17,358
written.

5546
02:43:18,661 --> 02:43:19,629
Concerns include the increase in

5547
02:43:19,629 --> 02:43:21,230
allowable units, location

5548
02:43:21,230 --> 02:43:22,865
outside the urban cluster, water

5549
02:43:22,865 --> 02:43:25,265
quality impact on groundwater

5550
02:43:26,202 --> 02:43:28,602
and springs, location and

5551
02:43:29,405 --> 02:43:32,308
insensitive karst, lack of exact

5552
02:43:32,308 --> 02:43:34,811
metrics for tdr, and something

5553
02:43:34,811 --> 02:43:37,130
we haven't heard before,

5554
02:43:37,130 --> 02:43:37,547
potential impact on gopher

5555
02:43:37,547 --> 02:43:39,547
tortoises.

5556
02:43:40,917 --> 02:43:42,218
That was a vote of 5-3 with two

5557
02:43:42,218 --> 02:43:42,485
members absent.

5558
02:43:42,485 --> 02:43:43,486
Thank you.

5559
02:43:43,486 --> 02:43:44,220
>> thank you.

5560
02:43:44,220 --> 02:43:45,421
>> chair: we appreciate you and

5561
02:43:45,421 --> 02:43:45,655
all the work you do for this

5562
02:43:45,655 --> 02:43:47,357
county.

5563
02:43:47,357 --> 02:43:50,357
Thank you for your comments.

5564
02:43:59,435 --> 02:44:01,435
Next speaker, please.

5565
02:44:03,506 --> 02:44:04,507
>> I'm back, sam.

5566
02:44:04,507 --> 02:44:04,874
>> chair: you're recognized.

5567
02:44:04,874 --> 02:44:05,542
>> thank you.

5568
02:44:05,542 --> 02:44:06,409
I don't know why we keep calling

5569
02:44:06,409 --> 02:44:08,344
this a farm.

5570
02:44:08,344 --> 02:44:10,413
I genuinely have no idea.

5571
02:44:10,413 --> 02:44:12,883
If you talk to a farmer, from

5572
02:44:12,883 --> 02:44:14,518
this area or from the peripheral

5573
02:44:14,518 --> 02:44:15,952
counties they will tell you the

5574
02:44:15,952 --> 02:44:17,354
numbers need to be inversed.

5575
02:44:17,354 --> 02:44:19,990
We are losing the forest for the

5576
02:44:19,990 --> 02:44:22,390
trees no pun intended.

5577
02:44:23,760 --> 02:44:23,960
Why aren't we talking about the

5578
02:44:23,960 --> 02:44:25,228
homes.

5579
02:44:25,228 --> 02:44:27,229
All of the roads are single

5580
02:44:27,229 --> 02:44:28,265
lane, parker, 24th, archer,

5581
02:44:28,265 --> 02:44:28,598
whatever you want it's all

5582
02:44:28,598 --> 02:44:29,966
single lane.

5583
02:44:29,966 --> 02:44:31,301
What are we doing about that?

5584
02:44:31,301 --> 02:44:32,969
A farm?

5585
02:44:32,969 --> 02:44:34,804
This is a trojan horse and I'm

5586
02:44:34,804 --> 02:44:35,572
sorry, I feel very emotional

5587
02:44:35,572 --> 02:44:37,241
about this I don't want to take

5588
02:44:37,241 --> 02:44:40,143
away from my credibility to talk

5589
02:44:40,143 --> 02:44:42,412
about it I am a breekeeper I do

5590
02:44:42,412 --> 02:44:43,680
have a degree of zoology from

5591
02:44:43,680 --> 02:44:45,282
university of florida and I grew

5592
02:44:45,282 --> 02:44:46,830
up across the street from this

5593
02:44:46,830 --> 02:44:47,884
proposed development.

5594
02:44:47,884 --> 02:44:49,219
I cannot tell you I knew about

5595
02:44:49,219 --> 02:44:50,953
this issue before today.

5596
02:44:50,953 --> 02:44:51,855
You know, vice chair pris you

5597
02:44:51,855 --> 02:44:54,257
you mentioned there's not a

5598
02:44:54,257 --> 02:44:54,892
whole lot of audience here as a

5599
02:44:54,892 --> 02:44:56,894
potential indicator that there

5600
02:44:56,894 --> 02:44:58,128
is not a lot of disagreement.

5601
02:44:58,128 --> 02:44:59,262
it's a luxury to be here.

5602
02:44:59,262 --> 02:45:01,432
There are not a lot of people

5603
02:45:01,432 --> 02:45:02,399
who can take this time no matter

5604
02:45:02,399 --> 02:45:04,680
what to come here and voice

5605
02:45:04,680 --> 02:45:06,170
their opinion, particularly from

5606
02:45:06,170 --> 02:45:07,137
the 45 minutes away that this

5607
02:45:07,137 --> 02:45:08,380
site is proposed.

5608
02:45:08,380 --> 02:45:09,373
Commissioner alford you

5609
02:45:09,373 --> 02:45:10,740
mentioned your kids talk about

5610
02:45:10,740 --> 02:45:11,741
the berries I love that.

5611
02:45:11,741 --> 02:45:13,276
I worked at a summer camp owned

5612
02:45:13,276 --> 02:45:14,911
by the school board here for

5613
02:45:14,911 --> 02:45:16,513
seven summers and there actually

5614
02:45:16,513 --> 02:45:17,114
are a few mulberry bushes

5615
02:45:17,114 --> 02:45:19,114
growing out there.

5616
02:45:19,650 --> 02:45:21,650
It's amazing.

5617
02:45:22,219 --> 02:45:24,922
The antithesis of a neighborhood

5618
02:45:24,922 --> 02:45:26,457
that has berries in it is

5619
02:45:26,457 --> 02:45:28,225
putting another 1% of the entire

5620
02:45:28,225 --> 02:45:30,994
amount of homes in this county

5621
02:45:30,994 --> 02:45:32,290
in an area that comprises less

5622
02:45:32,290 --> 02:45:34,198
than 1,000th of the land in it.

5623
02:45:34,198 --> 02:45:35,999
You take away so many more

5624
02:45:35,999 --> 02:45:38,350
berries than you will have no

5625
02:45:38,350 --> 02:45:38,202
matter how dense you try to say

5626
02:45:38,202 --> 02:45:39,402
it.

5627
02:45:39,402 --> 02:45:41,739
20 acres, 40 acres, it all chops

5628
02:45:41,739 --> 02:45:42,873
up to about 300 square feet per

5629
02:45:42,873 --> 02:45:44,275
household of farmland.

5630
02:45:44,275 --> 02:45:45,776
That is a bedroom.

5631
02:45:45,776 --> 02:45:47,345
That is not a farm.

5632
02:45:47,345 --> 02:45:48,379
This is a trojan horse, and

5633
02:45:48,379 --> 02:45:49,580
there are not very many people

5634
02:45:49,580 --> 02:45:51,820
behind me who are going to be

5635
02:45:51,820 --> 02:45:52,149
here to pay attention to this in

5636
02:45:52,149 --> 02:45:53,184
40 years.

5637
02:45:53,184 --> 02:45:55,151
I am sorry there are only three

5638
02:45:55,151 --> 02:45:55,653
of us in this room in our

5639
02:45:55,653 --> 02:45:56,854
20s.

5640
02:45:56,854 --> 02:45:57,321
So I have to think about

5641
02:45:57,321 --> 02:45:58,555
tomorrow.

5642
02:45:58,555 --> 02:46:00,424
This is an unpopular opinion,

5643
02:46:00,424 --> 02:46:00,791
and I can see -- I concede

5644
02:46:00,791 --> 02:46:02,259
that.

5645
02:46:02,259 --> 02:46:03,728
But at the same time, park and

5646
02:46:03,728 --> 02:46:06,163
ride, this is not the population

5647
02:46:06,163 --> 02:46:06,864
that's going to be utilizing

5648
02:46:06,864 --> 02:46:08,864
those services.

5649
02:46:10,340 --> 02:46:10,802
In college I rode the 150rts

5650
02:46:10,802 --> 02:46:11,635
route from the hale village

5651
02:46:11,635 --> 02:46:11,869
center to the university of

5652
02:46:11,869 --> 02:46:13,237
florida.

5653
02:46:13,237 --> 02:46:14,305
Nobody's on the that bus.

5654
02:46:14,305 --> 02:46:16,107
They discontinued the service.

5655
02:46:16,107 --> 02:46:17,508
This isn't a viable transport

5656
02:46:17,508 --> 02:46:18,709
idea, we don't have the

5657
02:46:18,709 --> 02:46:20,511
infrastructure yet.

5658
02:46:20,511 --> 02:46:22,813
I like that this company

5659
02:46:22,813 --> 02:46:24,148
continues to mention the good

5660
02:46:24,148 --> 02:46:24,415
that it will do to the

5661
02:46:24,415 --> 02:46:25,449
community.

5662
02:46:25,449 --> 02:46:27,418
Y like the public service

5663
02:46:27,418 --> 02:46:29,860
offsets that they're sucking.

5664
02:46:29,860 --> 02:46:29,688
And that's -- suggesting, and

5665
02:46:29,688 --> 02:46:30,522
that's all good.

5666
02:46:30,522 --> 02:46:31,956
The bones aren't there yet.

5667
02:46:31,956 --> 02:46:34,580
We just got the golf course.

5668
02:46:34,580 --> 02:46:35,526
We just got the ifas land.

5669
02:46:35,526 --> 02:46:36,395
Ifas will have trails and they

5670
02:46:36,395 --> 02:46:39,995
will do extension and they will

5671
02:46:40,565 --> 02:46:40,798
do teaching in that 500-acre

5672
02:46:40,798 --> 02:46:41,666
forest.

5673
02:46:41,666 --> 02:46:43,167
I taught for ifas for three

5674
02:46:43,167 --> 02:46:43,835
years I promise you that will

5675
02:46:43,835 --> 02:46:45,503
happen what they will not do is

5676
02:46:45,503 --> 02:46:47,138
go to a neglected 20-acre

5677
02:46:47,138 --> 02:46:48,673
forest, I'm sorry, 20-acre farm

5678
02:46:48,673 --> 02:46:49,974
and say this is how farming is.

5679
02:46:49,974 --> 02:46:51,974
Because it's not.

5680
02:46:52,210 --> 02:46:55,210
You'll get one zucchini per

5681
02:46:56,281 --> 02:46:58,883
household if a -- if you have a

5682
02:46:58,883 --> 02:46:59,684
bumper crop on a 20-acre farm

5683
02:46:59,684 --> 02:47:00,618
with 27 houses on it.

5684
02:47:00,618 --> 02:47:01,886
I have pages of notes that I

5685
02:47:01,886 --> 02:47:03,888
took during the 97 minutes that

5686
02:47:03,888 --> 02:47:04,155
the other people got to talk

5687
02:47:04,155 --> 02:47:06,155
about it.

5688
02:47:06,490 --> 02:47:07,392
But the reality is I just, I

5689
02:47:07,392 --> 02:47:08,426
don't see how this is

5690
02:47:08,426 --> 02:47:09,270
sustainable for this county

5691
02:47:09,270 --> 02:47:10,280
right now.

5692
02:47:10,280 --> 02:47:11,429
We don't have the infrastructure

5693
02:47:11,429 --> 02:47:12,263
in place for it, and I really

5694
02:47:12,263 --> 02:47:13,531
don't want to put the cart

5695
02:47:13,531 --> 02:47:14,990
before the horse bt I had to say

5696
02:47:14,990 --> 02:47:15,166
something.

5697
02:47:15,166 --> 02:47:17,566
>> chair: thank you, sam.

5698
02:47:22,541 --> 02:47:24,941
All right next speaker.

5699
02:47:26,440 --> 02:47:26,244
Anybody else?

5700
02:47:26,244 --> 02:47:27,612
Okay.

5701
02:47:27,612 --> 02:47:27,846
we'll go ahead and close public

5702
02:47:27,846 --> 02:47:29,846
comment.

5703
02:47:29,948 --> 02:47:30,982
Bring it back to the board.

5704
02:47:30,982 --> 02:47:31,817
Commissioner wheeler, and then

5705
02:47:31,817 --> 02:47:33,817
commissioner prizzia.

5706
02:47:33,885 --> 02:47:35,885
>> very quickly.

5707
02:47:36,488 --> 02:47:39,224
I understand the concerns a lot

5708
02:47:39,224 --> 02:47:41,920
of us feel had those concerns.

5709
02:47:41,920 --> 02:47:42,260
I've been working recently with

5710
02:47:42,260 --> 02:47:43,940
three families who have large

5711
02:47:43,940 --> 02:47:45,940
pieces of land.

5712
02:47:45,396 --> 02:47:46,831
They're elderly people trying to

5713
02:47:46,831 --> 02:47:48,660
decide what to diewbt

5714
02:47:48,660 --> 02:47:48,733
-- what to

5715
02:47:48,733 --> 02:47:51,670
do about that land to be

5716
02:47:51,670 --> 02:47:52,905
responsible to their families.

5717
02:47:52,905 --> 02:47:55,140
And to make sure that it gets

5718
02:47:55,140 --> 02:47:58,740
into the right easement or the

5719
02:48:00,112 --> 02:48:01,447
right conservation or the right

5720
02:48:01,447 --> 02:48:02,314
use for that plan.

5721
02:48:02,314 --> 02:48:03,949
4,000 acres is a lot of land to

5722
02:48:03,949 --> 02:48:05,884
try to decide what to do with.

5723
02:48:05,884 --> 02:48:07,686
And so I feel like then working

5724
02:48:07,686 --> 02:48:08,586
with the lee brothers and

5725
02:48:08,586 --> 02:48:09,488
watching them struggle over

5726
02:48:09,488 --> 02:48:10,589
laith years of trying to figure

5727
02:48:10,589 --> 02:48:11,657
out had you -- eight years of

5728
02:48:11,657 --> 02:48:14,192
trying to figure out what to do

5729
02:48:14,192 --> 02:48:15,761
with take, how to take

5730
02:48:15,761 --> 02:48:17,162
responsibility for this land not

5731
02:48:17,162 --> 02:48:19,970
only for the community but for

5732
02:48:19,970 --> 02:48:20,599
their own families as well, you

5733
02:48:20,599 --> 02:48:22,568
know, a large piece of property

5734
02:48:22,568 --> 02:48:24,136
like this could easily be sold

5735
02:48:24,136 --> 02:48:25,104
to someone who would put an ai

5736
02:48:25,104 --> 02:48:26,472
center there.

5737
02:48:26,472 --> 02:48:28,307
This is exactly the kind of land

5738
02:48:28,307 --> 02:48:29,775
those places are looking for,

5739
02:48:29,775 --> 02:48:32,211
and some of these families are

5740
02:48:32,211 --> 02:48:34,130
so desperate to get that

5741
02:48:34,130 --> 02:48:37,130
property moved along that they

5742
02:48:37,149 --> 02:48:39,952
would take the first best offer

5743
02:48:39,952 --> 02:48:40,686
without doing the investigation,

5744
02:48:40,686 --> 02:48:43,989
without doing the work that the

5745
02:48:43,989 --> 02:48:46,959
lee brothers have done, so I

5746
02:48:46,959 --> 02:48:49,928
just feel like that though I am

5747
02:48:49,928 --> 02:48:52,198
also a water conservationist, I

5748
02:48:52,198 --> 02:48:53,632
feel like that it's inevitable

5749
02:48:53,632 --> 02:48:56,135
that these big properties are

5750
02:48:56,135 --> 02:48:59,205
going to be sold to somebody,

5751
02:48:59,205 --> 02:49:00,540
and so to be able to watch it be

5752
02:49:00,540 --> 02:49:04,176
sold to who we've got now, this

5753
02:49:04,176 --> 02:49:07,380
team of people who are trying to

5754
02:49:07,380 --> 02:49:08,648
coordinate to the best possible

5755
02:49:08,648 --> 02:49:09,549
creative resolution, this is why

5756
02:49:09,549 --> 02:49:10,550
I'm supporting it.

5757
02:49:10,550 --> 02:49:11,584
At this point.

5758
02:49:11,584 --> 02:49:12,510
Thank you.

5759
02:49:12,510 --> 02:49:12,551
>> chair: thank you,

5760
02:49:12,551 --> 02:49:14,120
commissioner.

5761
02:49:14,120 --> 02:49:14,553
Commissioner prizzia and then

5762
02:49:14,553 --> 02:49:16,553
commissioner alford.

5763
02:49:17,924 --> 02:49:18,358
And then I'll make the

5764
02:49:18,358 --> 02:49:19,250
comments.

5765
02:49:19,250 --> 02:49:22,161
>> first I think you might want

5766
02:49:22,161 --> 02:49:22,428
to run for office some day,

5767
02:49:22,428 --> 02:49:24,428
sir.

5768
02:49:25,364 --> 02:49:26,432
But I follow in your uncle's

5769
02:49:26,432 --> 02:49:29,769
foot steps but I guess what I

5770
02:49:29,769 --> 02:49:31,838
want to say is I hear you loud

5771
02:49:31,838 --> 02:49:33,573
you a little bit because I run a

5772
02:49:33,573 --> 02:49:35,674
small farm on campus and we're

5773
02:49:35,674 --> 02:49:37,443
only a quarter acre and we grow

5774
02:49:37,443 --> 02:49:38,811
15,000 pounds of food a year.

5775
02:49:38,811 --> 02:49:40,780
We grow lots of food in a very

5776
02:49:40,780 --> 02:49:41,247
small space and we feed a lot of

5777
02:49:41,247 --> 02:49:42,948
people.

5778
02:49:42,948 --> 02:49:44,350
And so you know it's possible

5779
02:49:44,350 --> 02:49:45,218
with sustainable integrated

5780
02:49:45,218 --> 02:49:48,321
agriculture to grow a lot of

5781
02:49:48,321 --> 02:49:49,589
food in a small space.

5782
02:49:49,589 --> 02:49:52,559
And so I don't know that it's

5783
02:49:52,559 --> 02:49:53,660
just going to be one zucchini a

5784
02:49:53,660 --> 02:49:55,562
household but I do hear you that

5785
02:49:55,562 --> 02:49:56,996
at this is a farm that the's a

5786
02:49:56,996 --> 02:49:58,531
very small -- this is a farm

5787
02:49:58,531 --> 02:49:59,465
that is a very small piece of a

5788
02:49:59,465 --> 02:49:59,766
residential and commercial

5789
02:49:59,766 --> 02:50:01,766
development.

5790
02:50:01,801 --> 02:50:03,436
And that that's being kind of

5791
02:50:03,436 --> 02:50:04,537
focused on a lot when really

5792
02:50:04,537 --> 02:50:06,940
this is about the bigger picture

5793
02:50:06,940 --> 02:50:08,410
of developing a neighborhood and

5794
02:50:08,410 --> 02:50:09,376
a community and a space that

5795
02:50:09,376 --> 02:50:10,644
traditionally never had one and

5796
02:50:10,644 --> 02:50:13,120
waserary rural but you know

5797
02:50:13,120 --> 02:50:14,347
we're in a private property

5798
02:50:14,347 --> 02:50:17,170
state in a private property

5799
02:50:17,170 --> 02:50:18,517
country and people can develop

5800
02:50:18,517 --> 02:50:20,586
their property, and as

5801
02:50:20,586 --> 02:50:22,455
commissioners, we get the

5802
02:50:22,455 --> 02:50:25,125
unenviable job of making the

5803
02:50:25,125 --> 02:50:27,761
call about how that gets done

5804
02:50:27,761 --> 02:50:30,300
and trying our very best to

5805
02:50:30,300 --> 02:50:32,430
protect the natural resources,

5806
02:50:32,632 --> 02:50:35,602
the public tax dollars, with

5807
02:50:35,602 --> 02:50:37,704
efficient delivery of services

5808
02:50:37,704 --> 02:50:40,340
to all of those residents that

5809
02:50:40,340 --> 02:50:40,707
private entities decide to

5810
02:50:40,707 --> 02:50:42,142
develop.

5811
02:50:42,142 --> 02:50:43,644
And from my perspective I think

5812
02:50:43,644 --> 02:50:45,144
we've done the very best that we

5813
02:50:45,144 --> 02:50:47,314
can do to protect the natural

5814
02:50:47,314 --> 02:50:48,582
resources that are out there, to

5815
02:50:48,582 --> 02:50:50,150
get funding to be able to buy

5816
02:50:50,150 --> 02:50:53,150
more of those beautiful wild

5817
02:50:54,154 --> 02:50:56,156
spaces that aren't being used

5818
02:50:56,156 --> 02:50:58,556
for agriculture, to actually

5819
02:51:00,327 --> 02:51:01,950
protect more land in our county

5820
02:51:01,950 --> 02:51:03,960
from development and at the same

5821
02:51:03,960 --> 02:51:04,932
time allowing for a much more

5822
02:51:04,932 --> 02:51:06,133
compact, much more efficient

5823
02:51:06,133 --> 02:51:08,669
development of space for the

5824
02:51:08,669 --> 02:51:10,537
delivery of services to what

5825
02:51:10,537 --> 02:51:12,740
will ultimately be a more

5826
02:51:12,740 --> 02:51:14,942
urbanized area and while it is

5827
02:51:14,942 --> 02:51:16,609
technically outside our urban

5828
02:51:16,609 --> 02:51:18,545
cluster, it is right on the edge

5829
02:51:18,545 --> 02:51:19,446
and I know that this you know we

5830
02:51:19,446 --> 02:51:20,747
are very cognizant of the fact

5831
02:51:20,747 --> 02:51:22,315
that we don't want this to be a

5832
02:51:22,315 --> 02:51:24,184
leap frog situation.

5833
02:51:24,184 --> 02:51:26,220
We've done the analysis to look

5834
02:51:26,220 --> 02:51:27,587
at all the other parcels around

5835
02:51:27,587 --> 02:51:28,422
it to make sure thus

5836
02:51:28,422 --> 02:51:30,191
this can't

5837
02:51:30,191 --> 02:51:31,525
be a hop hop hop with the

5838
02:51:31,525 --> 02:51:32,960
agriculture enclaves built with

5839
02:51:32,960 --> 02:51:35,950
a lot ofort or -- bill, with a

5840
02:51:35,950 --> 02:51:36,300
lot of other pieces, I can staff

5841
02:51:36,300 --> 02:51:37,665
have worked hard to make sure

5842
02:51:37,665 --> 02:51:40,834
this is a unique circumstance in

5843
02:51:40,834 --> 02:51:43,437
a unique area, and you know I

5844
02:51:43,437 --> 02:51:44,839
didn't want to like it either.

5845
02:51:44,839 --> 02:51:47,108
To be totally honest with you.

5846
02:51:47,108 --> 02:51:49,777
You know, I really didn't.

5847
02:51:49,777 --> 02:51:51,879
And I still feel like it's one

5848
02:51:51,879 --> 02:51:53,948
of the hardest votes that I've

5849
02:51:53,948 --> 02:51:55,883
ever had to make to vote for

5850
02:51:55,883 --> 02:51:57,918
2700 homes on what used to be

5851
02:51:57,918 --> 02:51:59,587
conservation land and farmland.

5852
02:51:59,587 --> 02:52:00,788
But I do think that it, if it's

5853
02:52:00,788 --> 02:52:02,790
going to be developed, this is

5854
02:52:02,790 --> 02:52:03,570
the best way it can possibly be

5855
02:52:03,570 --> 02:52:03,924
developed.

5856
02:52:03,924 --> 02:52:05,693
And I just wanted to share that

5857
02:52:05,693 --> 02:52:07,194
with you since you took the time

5858
02:52:07,194 --> 02:52:07,395
to come up here and speak to

5859
02:52:07,395 --> 02:52:08,429
us.

5860
02:52:08,429 --> 02:52:10,429
Thank you.

5861
02:52:10,598 --> 02:52:11,632
And to epac we appreciate your

5862
02:52:11,632 --> 02:52:14,632
comments and my comments are

5863
02:52:14,702 --> 02:52:16,937
also to epac, we appreciate your

5864
02:52:16,937 --> 02:52:18,438
input and we agree with you in a

5865
02:52:18,438 --> 02:52:19,674
lot of ways but I think the

5866
02:52:19,674 --> 02:52:21,275
things that staff have put in

5867
02:52:21,275 --> 02:52:22,676
place around irrigation

5868
02:52:22,676 --> 02:52:23,778
protections, around fertilizer

5869
02:52:23,778 --> 02:52:24,778
protections, around ground

5870
02:52:24,778 --> 02:52:26,580
penetrating radar, that will

5871
02:52:26,580 --> 02:52:28,482
help us in looking to see if

5872
02:52:28,482 --> 02:52:30,785
there are any geological

5873
02:52:30,785 --> 02:52:31,190
resources that we need to

5874
02:52:31,190 --> 02:52:32,920
protect.

5875
02:52:32,920 --> 02:52:35,990
I think most of the developer --

5876
02:52:35,990 --> 02:52:37,191
both the developer and the staff

5877
02:52:37,191 --> 02:52:37,958
have done a really good job to

5878
02:52:37,958 --> 02:52:38,459
build something that we can all

5879
02:52:38,459 --> 02:52:39,627
be proud of.

5880
02:52:39,627 --> 02:52:39,960
>> chair: thank you,

5881
02:52:39,960 --> 02:52:41,129
commissioner.

5882
02:52:41,129 --> 02:52:42,263
Commissioner alford.

5883
02:52:42,263 --> 02:52:43,965
>> yeah, you know, I started

5884
02:52:43,965 --> 02:52:46,834
getting involved with the county

5885
02:52:46,834 --> 02:52:50,370
by being the chair of epac, and

5886
02:52:50,370 --> 02:52:50,338
so I, I I understand where epac

5887
02:52:50,338 --> 02:52:51,405
comes from.

5888
02:52:51,405 --> 02:52:53,274
I would like to invite the

5889
02:52:53,274 --> 02:52:54,742
developer to meet with epac.

5890
02:52:54,742 --> 02:52:57,142
Epac is our environmental

5891
02:52:59,180 --> 02:53:01,580
protection advisory board, and

5892
02:53:01,949 --> 02:53:04,585
they, they are some of the most,

5893
02:53:04,585 --> 02:53:05,286
some of the most talented

5894
02:53:05,286 --> 02:53:06,788
environmental folks in our

5895
02:53:06,788 --> 02:53:08,623
county, and I think that it

5896
02:53:08,623 --> 02:53:11,526
would be great to meet with them

5897
02:53:11,526 --> 02:53:11,793
and address their concerns

5898
02:53:11,793 --> 02:53:13,793
directly.

5899
02:53:13,929 --> 02:53:18,129
Because I think that would be, I

5900
02:53:19,401 --> 02:53:20,535
would love to be magnificence

5901
02:53:20,535 --> 02:53:23,171
even be there for the -- maybe

5902
02:53:23,171 --> 02:53:26,771
even be there for the meeting

5903
02:53:28,143 --> 02:53:29,444
and then the trojan horse idea.

5904
02:53:29,444 --> 02:53:31,844
I added it up.

5905
02:53:32,748 --> 02:53:34,683
In my backyard I have 300 square

5906
02:53:34,683 --> 02:53:37,752
feet of garden, and I have more

5907
02:53:37,752 --> 02:53:38,920
than I can eat and share and

5908
02:53:38,920 --> 02:53:40,489
whatever put away in jars.

5909
02:53:40,489 --> 02:53:42,658
But I also have a lot of fruit

5910
02:53:42,658 --> 02:53:44,526
trees all over my property.

5911
02:53:44,526 --> 02:53:46,428
And other things that have --

5912
02:53:46,428 --> 02:53:49,297
you know, integrated that are

5913
02:53:49,297 --> 02:53:50,998
outside of what I consider, you

5914
02:53:50,998 --> 02:53:54,690
know, the part that I farm, so

5915
02:53:54,690 --> 02:53:54,803
to speak, and that's what I'm

5916
02:53:54,803 --> 02:53:57,203
hoping that this development

5917
02:54:01,876 --> 02:54:02,711
will also have is that you know

5918
02:54:02,711 --> 02:54:04,413
integrated agricultural thought

5919
02:54:04,413 --> 02:54:05,414
process throughout the whole

5920
02:54:05,414 --> 02:54:06,748
development so I wanted to say

5921
02:54:06,748 --> 02:54:08,484
that.

5922
02:54:08,484 --> 02:54:08,717
And then there is one more

5923
02:54:08,717 --> 02:54:09,151
thing.

5924
02:54:09,151 --> 02:54:11,151
Nope.

5925
02:54:11,186 --> 02:54:13,955
I think that's all I need to say

5926
02:54:13,955 --> 02:54:15,156
right now but again, appreciate

5927
02:54:15,156 --> 02:54:16,157
your comments.

5928
02:54:16,157 --> 02:54:17,926
Understand exactly where you're

5929
02:54:17,926 --> 02:54:20,290
coming from because that's where

5930
02:54:20,290 --> 02:54:20,529
I started.

5931
02:54:20,529 --> 02:54:21,897
So.

5932
02:54:21,897 --> 02:54:22,231
>> chair: thank you,

5933
02:54:22,231 --> 02:54:23,832
commissioner.

5934
02:54:23,832 --> 02:54:25,834
So like mary alford said about

5935
02:54:25,834 --> 02:54:27,703
victor dover she's known you her

5936
02:54:27,703 --> 02:54:28,537
whole life.

5937
02:54:28,537 --> 02:54:29,237
>> not mi whole life.

5938
02:54:29,237 --> 02:54:30,873
>> you didn't say that.

5939
02:54:30,873 --> 02:54:32,308
>> no, no, no, for a long time.

5940
02:54:32,308 --> 02:54:32,575
>> okay, for a long, long time.

5941
02:54:32,575 --> 02:54:34,760
>> yeah.

5942
02:54:34,760 --> 02:54:35,644
>> chair: well I --

5943
02:54:35,644 --> 02:54:35,950
>> for my whole professional

5944
02:54:35,950 --> 02:54:37,213
life.

5945
02:54:37,213 --> 02:54:38,514
>> well I have known sam

5946
02:54:38,514 --> 02:54:40,914
literally his whole life.

5947
02:54:41,650 --> 02:54:43,185
Not my whole life and so he is

5948
02:54:43,185 --> 02:54:44,854
in the cornell family we teach

5949
02:54:44,854 --> 02:54:47,560
people to speak their mind, and

5950
02:54:47,560 --> 02:54:48,791
let's have the debate and so sam

5951
02:54:48,791 --> 02:54:49,458
thanks for being here.

5952
02:54:49,458 --> 02:54:51,458
Appreciate your comments.

5953
02:54:53,295 --> 02:54:55,531
Let me tell you when I got

5954
02:54:55,531 --> 02:54:58,531
comments from many folks that

5955
02:54:58,667 --> 02:54:59,468
were not in favor of this, I

5956
02:54:59,468 --> 02:54:59,735
really respected those

5957
02:54:59,735 --> 02:55:01,735
comments.

5958
02:55:01,737 --> 02:55:03,907
You know, and some of those

5959
02:55:03,907 --> 02:55:06,800
folks are some of my largest

5960
02:55:06,800 --> 02:55:09,800
supporters like mary said, and

5961
02:55:09,312 --> 02:55:11,130
then this weekend I heard from

5962
02:55:11,130 --> 02:55:13,649
well over 50 to 75 other folks

5963
02:55:13,649 --> 02:55:16,585
many of those folks I know and

5964
02:55:16,585 --> 02:55:17,887
they are in largely in support

5965
02:55:17,887 --> 02:55:20,523
of this project one of them is

5966
02:55:20,523 --> 02:55:22,392
sam your neighbor roger and --

5967
02:55:22,392 --> 02:55:25,194
christian so they -- they sent

5968
02:55:25,194 --> 02:55:25,828
in an email and so it was really

5969
02:55:25,828 --> 02:55:27,330
interesting because there were

5970
02:55:27,330 --> 02:55:29,198
so many folks that are so close

5971
02:55:29,198 --> 02:55:31,400
to this project that are in

5972
02:55:31,400 --> 02:55:35,204
favor of it which really to your

5973
02:55:35,204 --> 02:55:37,604
point, commissioner, is a

5974
02:55:37,941 --> 02:55:39,142
testament to how austin and his

5975
02:55:39,142 --> 02:55:39,642
team have brought this forward

5976
02:55:39,642 --> 02:55:41,311
to us.

5977
02:55:41,311 --> 02:55:43,613
You know, I didn't know austin

5978
02:55:43,613 --> 02:55:45,348
before this but what I have

5979
02:55:45,348 --> 02:55:47,484
learned about him is that he is

5980
02:55:47,484 --> 02:55:48,985
a land owner, he is a farmer.

5981
02:55:48,985 --> 02:55:51,855
More importantly though he is a

5982
02:55:51,855 --> 02:55:53,190
person in our community that

5983
02:55:53,190 --> 02:55:55,240
wants to have and build

5984
02:55:55,240 --> 02:55:57,930
something that he's proud of,

5985
02:55:57,930 --> 02:55:57,861
and we don't get a lot of

5986
02:55:57,861 --> 02:55:59,662
developers that stand up here

5987
02:55:59,662 --> 02:56:01,640
and spend that amount of time

5988
02:56:01,640 --> 02:56:04,640
and energy and resources to

5989
02:56:04,434 --> 02:56:06,602
really engage a community with.

5990
02:56:06,602 --> 02:56:08,104
Here is my idea wut

5991
02:56:08,104 --> 02:56:08,837
but are

5992
02:56:08,837 --> 02:56:10,600
there other ones out there.

5993
02:56:10,600 --> 02:56:11,740
And he has worked with what I

5994
02:56:11,740 --> 02:56:12,208
think is the best staff in the

5995
02:56:12,208 --> 02:56:13,710
state and they are tough.

5996
02:56:13,710 --> 02:56:15,178
They say if you want to do

5997
02:56:15,178 --> 02:56:17,580
something new, it's going to

5998
02:56:17,580 --> 02:56:18,481
have to kind of well it's going

5999
02:56:18,481 --> 02:56:20,160
to have to be consistent with

6000
02:56:20,160 --> 02:56:21,500
our plan.

6001
02:56:21,500 --> 02:56:24,955
and so let me tell you what I

6002
02:56:24,955 --> 02:56:26,223
like about it.

6003
02:56:26,223 --> 02:56:27,156
Policy 8.6.6.9 integration with

6004
02:56:27,156 --> 02:56:29,158
conservation lands and research

6005
02:56:29,158 --> 02:56:30,493
assets we have an opportunity

6006
02:56:30,493 --> 02:56:32,629
with the premiere research

6007
02:56:32,629 --> 02:56:34,765
institution of the state and we

6008
02:56:34,765 --> 02:56:37,901
will be pushing them to put the

6009
02:56:37,901 --> 02:56:38,468
strategic ecosystems into some

6010
02:56:38,468 --> 02:56:40,470
conservation but we have an

6011
02:56:40,470 --> 02:56:42,380
opportunity to work with a

6012
02:56:42,380 --> 02:56:43,874
flagship university, the best in

6013
02:56:43,874 --> 02:56:45,141
the tontry in my opinion and

6014
02:56:45,141 --> 02:56:46,676
that's -- country in my opinion

6015
02:56:46,676 --> 02:56:47,977
and that's part of our policy

6016
02:56:47,977 --> 02:56:49,746
that we will be transmitting.

6017
02:56:49,746 --> 02:56:51,815
Working farm as a community

6018
02:56:51,815 --> 02:56:56,150
anchor I had never seen that did

6019
02:56:56,860 --> 02:56:56,653
have a chance to go down and see

6020
02:56:56,653 --> 02:56:58,653
new field.

6021
02:56:59,189 --> 02:57:01,458
I love the concept.

6022
02:57:01,458 --> 02:57:02,125
Hopefully we can get some of the

6023
02:57:02,125 --> 02:57:04,328
things that you are concerned

6024
02:57:04,328 --> 02:57:06,696
about as our farmer on the

6025
02:57:06,696 --> 02:57:07,898
commission and I know the land

6026
02:57:07,898 --> 02:57:08,232
owner is interested in doing

6027
02:57:08,232 --> 02:57:10,232
that as well.

6028
02:57:10,668 --> 02:57:11,702
I love that that policy is a

6029
02:57:11,702 --> 02:57:12,169
community anchor.

6030
02:57:12,169 --> 02:57:14,710
Moabilityd.

6031
02:57:14,710 --> 02:57:14,738
We are literally -- mobility.

6032
02:57:14,738 --> 02:57:17,738
We are literally creating a

6033
02:57:17,840 --> 02:57:18,542
mobility district, completely

6034
02:57:18,542 --> 02:57:20,942
comprehensive plan and the

6035
02:57:21,177 --> 02:57:22,513
growth is going to fund itself.

6036
02:57:22,513 --> 02:57:25,482
We're not asking our existing

6037
02:57:25,482 --> 02:57:26,216
taxpayers to fund the mobility

6038
02:57:26,216 --> 02:57:29,216
plan, the developer and the

6039
02:57:30,554 --> 02:57:30,988
neighborhood is going to fund

6040
02:57:30,988 --> 02:57:31,789
it.

6041
02:57:31,789 --> 02:57:32,990
8.6.6.13, transfer of

6042
02:57:32,990 --> 02:57:34,990
development rights and

6043
02:57:36,560 --> 02:57:37,895
affordability.

6044
02:57:37,895 --> 02:57:39,864
Favor of and asking developers

6045
02:57:39,864 --> 02:57:41,265
to bring affordable housing they

6046
02:57:41,265 --> 02:57:43,233
are voluntarily doing it.

6047
02:57:43,233 --> 02:57:45,350
I heard tonight that it's going

6048
02:57:45,350 --> 02:57:46,637
to be consistent with the

6049
02:57:46,637 --> 02:57:48,505
phasing of the development.

6050
02:57:48,505 --> 02:57:49,106
I can't wait to read that policy

6051
02:57:49,106 --> 02:57:50,541
in the pd.

6052
02:57:50,541 --> 02:57:51,975
I think that's going to be

6053
02:57:51,975 --> 02:57:53,677
great.

6054
02:57:53,677 --> 02:57:56,677
But we are confining --

6055
02:57:56,914 --> 02:57:58,515
combining the density, getting

6056
02:57:58,515 --> 02:58:00,251
4,000 acres well 3,000 acres

6057
02:58:00,251 --> 02:58:02,860
into conservation or management

6058
02:58:02,860 --> 02:58:05,550
through ifas, we're going to

6059
02:58:05,550 --> 02:58:07,455
have conservation in the

6060
02:58:08,393 --> 02:58:09,159
997 acres, and through the tdr

6061
02:58:09,159 --> 02:58:10,160
that the developer and staff

6062
02:58:10,160 --> 02:58:13,998
came up with, we're going to be

6063
02:58:13,998 --> 02:58:16,234
able to acquire an additional

6064
02:58:16,234 --> 02:58:16,567
5,000 acres and put that into

6065
02:58:16,567 --> 02:58:17,535
conservation.

6066
02:58:17,535 --> 02:58:18,403
Heability happened since I have

6067
02:58:18,403 --> 02:58:19,136
been -- hasn't happened since I

6068
02:58:19,136 --> 02:58:20,438
have been on the board and I

6069
02:58:20,438 --> 02:58:23,740
don't know if it's happened

6070
02:58:23,740 --> 02:58:24,642
previous to me, very often.

6071
02:58:24,642 --> 02:58:28,842
I see one of our folks that

6072
02:58:29,514 --> 02:58:30,815
helped us write the plan three

6073
02:58:30,815 --> 02:58:31,916
decades ago so I guess I'll ask

6074
02:58:31,916 --> 02:58:33,151
him after this hearing soei

6075
02:58:33,151 --> 02:58:34,986
really love that.

6076
02:58:34,986 --> 02:58:35,853
To me that's staff and the

6077
02:58:35,853 --> 02:58:37,154
developer working on hey you

6078
02:58:37,154 --> 02:58:37,822
want to do something outside the

6079
02:58:37,822 --> 02:58:39,290
urban cluster?

6080
02:58:39,290 --> 02:58:41,580
It's got to be pretty special

6081
02:58:41,580 --> 02:58:41,926
and I really appreciate staff's

6082
02:58:41,926 --> 02:58:44,529
work and the developer for

6083
02:58:44,529 --> 02:58:46,929
working with our staff.

6084
02:58:47,865 --> 02:58:48,533
The land disturbance piece, that

6085
02:58:48,533 --> 02:58:49,901
policy, 8.6.6.14 we have talked

6086
02:58:49,901 --> 02:58:50,802
to developers about don't just

6087
02:58:50,802 --> 02:58:53,202
clear cut everything it's

6088
02:58:55,206 --> 02:58:57,606
actually in the policy.

6089
02:58:58,900 --> 02:58:59,310
The 8.6.6.16 policy water

6090
02:58:59,310 --> 02:59:00,111
conservation and lawn water use

6091
02:59:00,111 --> 02:59:02,511
landscaping again you heard

6092
02:59:05,216 --> 02:59:05,850
stacy say this is really a

6093
02:59:05,850 --> 02:59:07,619
model -- haven't had a developer

6094
02:59:07,619 --> 02:59:10,555
want to work with us on that

6095
02:59:10,555 --> 02:59:14,755
level, and I think you know they

6096
02:59:16,194 --> 02:59:17,329
worked with us in adopting the

6097
02:59:17,329 --> 02:59:18,960
study so that's something

6098
02:59:18,960 --> 02:59:18,997
they're following through on.

6099
02:59:18,997 --> 02:59:19,164
Is it perfect?

6100
02:59:19,164 --> 02:59:19,998
No.

6101
02:59:19,998 --> 02:59:21,299
i think we have a real

6102
02:59:21,299 --> 02:59:22,367
opportunity to make it perfect

6103
02:59:22,367 --> 02:59:24,367
at the pd.

6104
02:59:26,437 --> 02:59:28,840
And I know that with MR. Dover,

6105
02:59:28,840 --> 02:59:32,177
with the army of experts that

6106
02:59:32,177 --> 02:59:32,911
have been involved in this

6107
02:59:32,911 --> 02:59:34,312
process for the last year with

6108
02:59:34,312 --> 02:59:35,781
the community's input and with

6109
02:59:35,781 --> 02:59:37,215
what I think is the best staff

6110
02:59:37,215 --> 02:59:38,917
in the state, I think we're

6111
02:59:38,917 --> 02:59:41,860
going to have a really special

6112
02:59:41,860 --> 02:59:42,187
thing to look at in a couple of

6113
02:59:42,187 --> 02:59:44,587
months with the pd.

6114
02:59:44,856 --> 02:59:45,590
So I am in favor of the motion.

6115
02:59:45,590 --> 02:59:47,659
Really appreciate all the work

6116
02:59:47,659 --> 02:59:48,559
that our staff has put into it

6117
02:59:48,559 --> 02:59:50,229
and all the work that the

6118
02:59:50,229 --> 02:59:51,996
community has put into it.

6119
02:59:51,996 --> 02:59:52,664
And with that, is there any

6120
02:59:52,664 --> 02:59:54,800
further discussion before we

6121
02:59:54,800 --> 02:59:54,999
take a vote?

6122
02:59:54,999 --> 02:59:56,835
Okay.

6123
02:59:56,835 --> 02:59:59,204
All those in favor of the motion

6124
02:59:59,204 --> 03:00:00,105
on the floor, say aye.

6125
03:00:00,105 --> 03:00:01,730
Anyone opposed?

6126
03:00:01,730 --> 03:00:03,174
All right that motion is

6127
03:00:03,174 --> 03:00:03,975
unanimous.

6128
03:00:03,975 --> 03:00:05,975
So congratulations.

6129
03:00:06,545 --> 03:00:07,713
We'll see you for the next four

6130
03:00:07,713 --> 03:00:09,415
years and certainly in the next

6131
03:00:09,415 --> 03:00:10,515
couple of months.

6132
03:00:10,515 --> 03:00:10,715
[Laughter]

6133
03:00:10,715 --> 03:00:11,183
Okay?

6134
03:00:11,183 --> 03:00:12,418
All right.

6135
03:00:12,418 --> 03:00:12,651
>> we'll see him for longer than

6136
03:00:12,651 --> 03:00:14,419
that.

6137
03:00:14,419 --> 03:00:16,121
>> yeah, yeah, well I mean, not

6138
03:00:16,121 --> 03:00:17,355
building a house until 2029 is

6139
03:00:17,355 --> 03:00:21,226
what I saw so there is going to

6140
03:00:21,226 --> 03:00:22,628
be lot more of these meetings

6141
03:00:22,628 --> 03:00:23,328
and I think yeah.

6142
03:00:23,328 --> 03:00:24,463
>> that concludes our meeting

6143
03:00:24,463 --> 03:00:25,364
because we've already had our

6144
03:00:25,364 --> 03:00:25,998
commission comment.

6145
03:00:25,998 --> 03:00:28,334
Chuck, did you have something

6146
03:00:28,334 --> 03:00:28,600
you want to add?

6147
03:00:28,600 --> 03:00:30,600
>> yeah.

6148
03:00:31,770 --> 03:00:32,137
Something different though.

6149
03:00:32,137 --> 03:00:34,137
Totally.

6150
03:00:34,139 --> 03:00:35,808
Over the weekend, I was yeah, i

6151
03:00:35,808 --> 03:00:37,142
was going through my e-mails, I

6152
03:00:37,142 --> 03:00:40,142
was playing catch-up I'll be

6153
03:00:40,779 --> 03:00:44,379
honest with you, and I ran

6154
03:00:44,416 --> 03:00:46,519
across a whistleblower in

6155
03:00:46,519 --> 03:00:48,788
reference to it says

6156
03:00:48,788 --> 03:00:50,788
administrative mismanagement and

6157
03:00:50,790 --> 03:00:52,191
a resume fraud.

6158
03:00:52,191 --> 03:00:53,459
Confidential whistleblower

6159
03:00:53,459 --> 03:00:55,861
disclosure and it gives the

6160
03:00:55,861 --> 03:00:58,300
state statute, and it says the

6161
03:00:58,300 --> 03:01:00,766
office of county clerk of the

6162
03:01:00,766 --> 03:01:02,501
court comptroller and he is

6163
03:01:02,501 --> 03:01:05,238
asking for an audit of the

6164
03:01:05,238 --> 03:01:07,740
alachua county board of county

6165
03:01:07,740 --> 03:01:09,740
commissioners county managers

6166
03:01:10,943 --> 03:01:12,912
office, the formal report of

6167
03:01:12,912 --> 03:01:14,146
administrative mismanagement

6168
03:01:14,146 --> 03:01:16,146
recruitment policy violation,

6169
03:01:17,750 --> 03:01:20,386
and a material resume fraud

6170
03:01:20,386 --> 03:01:20,653
within alachua county human

6171
03:01:20,653 --> 03:01:21,687
resources.

6172
03:01:21,687 --> 03:01:22,880
So I don't know if this is

6173
03:01:22,880 --> 03:01:23,890
true.

6174
03:01:23,890 --> 03:01:24,723
I want to know what's going on

6175
03:01:24,723 --> 03:01:26,723
here.

6176
03:01:27,260 --> 03:01:27,726
I thought with whistleblower, I

6177
03:01:27,726 --> 03:01:28,828
want to give it to staff but I

6178
03:01:28,828 --> 03:01:31,163
want to know what's going on if

6179
03:01:31,163 --> 03:01:32,465
we have whistleblower stuff, I

6180
03:01:32,465 --> 03:01:34,500
mean, if I hadn't caught this,

6181
03:01:34,500 --> 03:01:35,735
this would've been dead.

6182
03:01:35,735 --> 03:01:37,537
I don't think anybody else --

6183
03:01:37,537 --> 03:01:38,271
>> did come on email?

6184
03:01:38,271 --> 03:01:40,500
>> it was in email.

6185
03:01:40,500 --> 03:01:40,239
It was in our e-mails, yes,

6186
03:01:40,239 --> 03:01:42,239
ma'am.

6187
03:01:43,610 --> 03:01:45,478
>> I saw it.

6188
03:01:45,478 --> 03:01:46,746
>> I forwarded it to.

6189
03:01:46,746 --> 03:01:47,246
>> forwarded it to the

6190
03:01:47,246 --> 03:01:47,513
attorney.

6191
03:01:47,513 --> 03:01:48,515
>> yeah.

6192
03:01:48,515 --> 03:01:49,349
>> but I haven't heard anything

6193
03:01:49,349 --> 03:01:50,783
though.

6194
03:01:50,783 --> 03:01:52,152
I mean so that's why I'm

6195
03:01:52,152 --> 03:01:52,952
bringing it and I will give it

6196
03:01:52,952 --> 03:01:54,952
to the clerk.

6197
03:01:56,255 --> 03:01:57,590
>> hand it to him.

6198
03:01:57,590 --> 03:02:00,260
>> yeah, because I just want to

6199
03:02:00,260 --> 03:02:03,263
know I mean if we're having

6200
03:02:03,263 --> 03:02:04,640
whistleblowers tell us something

6201
03:02:04,640 --> 03:02:07,640
policies, I think it's important

6202
03:02:07,233 --> 03:02:08,400
that we know not that I have to

6203
03:02:08,400 --> 03:02:09,269
keep constantly looking,

6204
03:02:09,269 --> 03:02:10,837
looking, looking for stuff.

6205
03:02:10,837 --> 03:02:12,705
That is not what I got elected

6206
03:02:12,705 --> 03:02:15,308
to do, but I am going to look at

6207
03:02:15,308 --> 03:02:18,211
my e-mails that when folks send

6208
03:02:18,211 --> 03:02:19,746
them, so that's why that was

6209
03:02:19,746 --> 03:02:20,479
important to me and I just want

6210
03:02:20,479 --> 03:02:21,140
to bring that to the attention

6211
03:02:21,140 --> 03:02:21,948
of you all.

6212
03:02:21,948 --> 03:02:22,281
>> thank you, commissioner.

6213
03:02:22,281 --> 03:02:22,983
Anything else?

6214
03:02:22,983 --> 03:02:23,617
92 that's it.

6215
03:02:23,617 --> 03:02:23,984
>> that's it.

6216
03:02:23,984 --> 03:02:25,152
>> all right.

6217
03:02:25,152 --> 03:02:28,152
You all, we are adjourned.