[0:04] test test.
[0:07] >> chair: good evening, it's
[0:08] 5:00 and we are going to go
[0:10] ahead and open up for public
[0:10] hearing.
[0:12] I think mary and chuck will be
[0:13] joining us shortsly.
[0:15] MADAM Clerk, first item or only
[0:16] item.
[0:21] >> first and only item, z26-0000
[0:24] z26-00005, transmittal hearing
[0:26] for everlee farmstead community
[0:27] large scale comprehensive plan
[0:27] amendment.
[0:28] >> chair: okay, thank you.
[0:30] And the recommended action is to
[0:35] transmit the application z26-05
[0:36] with policies for the state for
[0:37] review and comment.
[0:39] And MR. Dawson, you are
[0:39] recognized.
[0:40] >> good evening, MR. Chair.
[0:43] Chris dawson, principal planner
[0:46] for development services of
[0:47] alachua county growth management
[0:48] department.
[0:50] You have my resume.
[0:52] Tonight as the clerk mentioned,
[0:55] this is the transmittal hearing
[0:56] for the everlee farmstead
[0:58] community which is a large scale
[1:00] comprehensive plan amendment.
[1:01] >> chair: and I presume we will
[1:02] do your presentation and then we
[1:05] will break for public comment at
[1:06] 5:30.
[1:07] >> I'm going to try to not talk
[1:08] for half an hour, MR. Chair.
[1:09] >> chair: then we will turn it
[1:10] over to the applicant.
[1:11] >> we'll see where you are and
[1:13] you tell me when to sit down and
[1:15] let other people speak.
[1:15] >> chair: right on.
[1:16] Thank you, sir.
[1:18] >> MR. Chair, this is a future
[1:22] land use map amendment for about
[1:25] 996 acres, 820 of which are
[1:28] inside the hickory sink special
[1:30] area plan and 176 are outside.
[1:31] it would change the future land
[1:33] use designation from rural
[1:35] agriculture to everlee farmstead
[1:35] community.
[1:37] And it would also create
[1:43] policies implementing the
[1:46] everlee farmstead community
[1:47] future land use designation.
[1:49] This application is really
[1:53] considered a part of the hickory
[1:54] sink special area plan.
[1:56] Even though there is some land
[1:57] outside the limits of the
[1:58] special area study that's
[1:59] included, the majority of the
[2:01] property is inside.
[2:03] That special area study was
[2:07] accepted by the board in
[2:07] NOVEMBER 2023.
[2:10] It included a number of
[2:14] conditions which had been
[2:14] addressed in the application
[2:15] before us today.
[2:18] It allowed for a phase 1 U.F.
[2:19] Golf development and you saw
[2:20] that comprehensive plan
[2:21] amendment and pd before you
[2:24] earlier this year.
[2:26] It identified conservation areas
[2:29] within the limits of the special
[2:31] area study and it also
[2:34] identified areas for potential
[2:35] future development.
[2:38] And there was specific direction
[2:40] included on the protection of
[2:41] natural resources within the
[2:43] limits of the special area
[2:48] study.
[2:51] So the sas now has really three
[2:58] sort of distinct.
[2:59] There's 580 acres you saw
[3:01] earlier owned by the U.F.
[3:01] Foundation.
[3:02] That's where the U.F. Golf
[3:03] course is.
[3:05] There are all the lands west of
[3:07] parker road that are owned by
[3:11] U.F. Ifas and managed by U.F.
[3:11] Ifas.
[3:13] And then there are the lands
[3:15] sort of south of the golf course
[3:17] on the east side of parker road
[3:19] that are subject to this
[3:20] application.
[3:22] The ones within the sas are
[3:25] still under the ownership of the
[3:27] lee family or associated
[3:28] entities.
[3:29] There's some additional
[3:30] properties outside of the sas
[3:33] that are in private ownership.
[3:34] And generally, it's located
[3:38] south of oakmont and west of
[3:39] haile plantation.
[3:40] That's sort of a location map
[3:41] there.
[3:43] Oakmont is up here.
[3:45] Haile plantation is here.
[3:48] The legonna development is here
[3:49] sort of in the center of the
[3:50] screen to the east.
[3:52] Parker road on the west side and
[3:54] archer road there running to the
[3:55] south.
[3:57] Again, an aerial of the --
[3:59] recent aerial of the project
[3:59] site.
[4:02] Most of this property has been
[4:03] historically used for
[4:05] agriculture of different kinds.
[4:07] It's been ranchland at times.
[4:09] It's been active farming.
[4:11] And it's been in silviculture
[4:12] again at different times.
[4:14] And even the properties that are
[4:16] outside of the special area
[4:20] study have had sort of similar
[4:21] historic agricultural uses.
[4:23] And again, the proposal is to
[4:25] change the future land use
[4:28] designation for these properties
[4:31] from rural agriculture to the
[4:31] everlee farmstead community
[4:33] future land use designation.
[4:35] And on this map, you can see
[4:40] that's the sort of I'm going to
[4:41] call it brown for sake of
[4:44] discussion color on the map.
[4:45] And then the blue line shows the
[4:48] properties that were part of the
[4:49] special area study.
[4:51] You can see the U.F. Golf
[5:00] institutional to the north.
[5:02] Again, this is a request for
[5:04] properties both within and
[5:05] outside the hickory sink special
[5:06] area study.
[5:08] And we have proposed policies
[5:09] that are included in the staff
[5:09] report.
[5:10] We're going to go through some
[5:12] of them, not necessarily in
[5:14] detail, but we certainly can
[5:17] that create the everlee
[5:18] farmstead community future land
[5:19] use designation.
[5:24] And that's applied to about
[5:24] 996a.
[5:25] Again, just say we sort of in
[5:27] the special area planning
[5:27] process, that we have identified
[5:29] in our comprehensive plan, there
[5:31] was a special area study scope
[5:34] of work that y'all approved.
[5:37] The study itself which included
[5:39] significant stakeholder public
[5:41] participation and your
[5:43] acceptance of a resolution for
[5:44] the special area study, that was
[5:45] in NOVEMBER 2023.
[5:47] And now we're really at that
[5:49] sort of implementing special
[5:52] area plan.
[5:53] So that's kind of zoomed out a
[5:54] little bit more.
[6:00] Just so you can see the extent
[6:01] of the hickory sink on the west
[6:02] side of parker road.
[6:03] You can see all these -- this
[6:05] actually goes all the way up to
[6:08] tioga south, up here on the
[6:08] northern end.
[6:11] And then again, you can see the
[6:15] limits of the everlee farmstead
[6:16] community future land use
[6:19] designation down here in the
[6:19] south.
[6:21] So again, proposed changes.
[6:24] The first one is a map change to
[6:27] change that future land use
[6:28] designation from rural
[6:32] agriculture to everlee farmstead
[6:32] community.
[6:36] And that also will include an
[6:38] update of the map f-17 that we
[6:43] adopted as part of the U.F. Golf
[6:45] application to reflect the new
[6:46] future land use designation on
[6:50] these properties.
[6:51] So it will look something like
[6:53] that, the map at 17.
[6:55] And again, you can see there
[6:56] that's the everlee farmstead%
[7:00] community that we have sort of
[7:01] designated on that special area
[7:03] plan map.
[7:07] So the second part is a lot of
[7:07] text amendments.
[7:09] And as I mentioned, we're going
[7:10] to go through them.
[7:12] These are adopted in or proposed
[7:19] in policies 8.6.1 through 8.6.4.
[7:20] Those have already been adopted.
[7:22] Those would still, to some
[7:26] extent, apply within the everlee
[7:26] farmstead community.
[7:27] That includes the designation of
[7:28] the conservation management
[7:30] areas, those kinds of policies.
[7:32] There is also a whole new set of
[7:35] policies in 8.6.6 that we'll go
[7:35] through.
[7:37] Those apply to all of the
[7:38] everlee farmstead community.
[7:39] So not just the area within the
[7:41] special area plan, those apply
[7:43] to all of the properties for
[7:48] this future land use
[7:48] designation.
[7:50] So I'm going to talk about some
[7:53] of the policies that we're
[7:54] adopting and the sort of
[7:58] framework in the sort of view of
[8:01] the conditions that you all
[8:03] adopted as part of the
[8:05] acceptance of the special area
[8:05] study.
[8:06] So, for example, on this first
[8:09] one, condition 8 related to
[8:11] prioritizing protection of
[8:12] conservation management areas
[8:14] and clustering development close
[8:17] to the urban cluster, it
[8:19] required any application to
[8:22] address requirements of policy
[8:26] 7.1. 3 which is related to the
[8:28] companion of the urban cluster.
[8:31] It had a requirement that it be
[8:34] served by urban infrastructure
[8:36] and do an analysis that
[8:37] demonstrates that's possible.
[8:38] Required an analysis of the
[8:40] potable water and sanitary sewer
[8:43] facilities element, policy 3.1.5
[8:45] which deals with the extension
[8:48] of potable water and sanitary
[8:51] sewer outside the urban cluster.
[8:53] It required transportation
[8:55] connections consistent with our
[8:56] urban mobility districts,
[8:58] including connectivity to
[8:59] surrounding development.
[9:02] Required urban design concepts
[9:04] that support non-automotive
[9:05] modes of transportation.
[9:07] And it included a requirement
[9:08] for affordable housing
[9:09] consistent with policies adopted
[9:12] in our comprehensive plan.
[9:14] So I say that there's a lot of
[9:16] things there in condition 8.
[9:17] Each of those is addressed sort
[9:19] of somewhere in the policies
[9:22] that we're proposing for
[9:24] adoption.
[9:25] Condition 9 dealt again more
[9:28] with the extension of central
[9:31] water and sanitary sewer and the
[9:36] analysis of 3.1.5 and 3.1.6 from
[9:38] the potable water and sanitary
[9:40] sewer element.
[9:42] And condition 10 dealt
[9:42] specifically with conservation
[9:45] and low water use landscaping
[9:47] and it included some such ases
[9:49] up here on the screen but
[9:51] certainly didn't limit it to
[9:55] those sort of individual topics.
[9:58] And then condition 13 dealt with
[10:02] stormwater treatment, the use of
[10:05] low-impact design ideas and
[10:11] engineered soils for
[10:11] de-nitrofication.
[10:13] And some of those are addressed
[10:16] specifically in policies we are
[10:17] proposing for adoption.
[10:19] Some MAY have more specific
[10:20] elimination later on in the
[10:22] process if the board decides to
[10:26] move forward with this comp plan
[10:26] amendment.
[10:28] So at this point, I'm going to
[10:30] sort of dive into the proposed
[10:32] policies that we have written.
[10:34] And sort of talk about what the
[10:38] policies do in terms of the
[10:38] everlee farmstead community
[10:39] future land use designation.
[10:43] And the first is proposed policy
[10:43] 8.6.6.
[10:46] And this is the additional%
[10:48] development entitlements that
[10:50] the project that we are
[10:54] proposing be granted to the
[10:55] project.
[10:57] So under the current future land
[10:59] use designation for the
[11:02] property, staff estimated
[11:03] loosely, it's sometimes hard to
[11:06] do it more specifically, but
[11:09] about 275 units would be a
[11:11] reasonable number of units that
[11:12] could be developed in a
[11:13] clustered subdivision on the
[11:14] property.
[11:16] So that's based on the acreage
[11:18] of the property that allows one
[11:20] dwelling unit per 5 acres as
[11:21] well as bonus units that would
[11:22] be available through the
[11:25] clustering provisions of our
[11:27] plan.
[11:30] Policy 8.6.6 proposes 2,500
[11:33] residential units, market rate
[11:36] residential units, plus an
[11:38] additional 250 affordable units
[11:39] and 200,000 square feet of
[11:40] non-residential development.
[11:42] So that's the sort of total of
[11:44] what would be allowed on the
[11:45] property.
[11:46] And the proposed policies
[11:51] require that 5,000 acres be the
[11:52] basis for transfer of
[11:54] development rights either
[11:56] through acquisition or fee
[11:56] in lieu.
[11:57] That's where those residential
[11:58] units really come from.
[12:00] So I'm going to go through that
[12:02] here in just a second, about how
[12:03] we arrived at those numbers a
[12:04] little bit more.
[12:05] >> chair: okay.
[12:06] >> I did want to just point out
[12:07] that's really -- it's not that
[12:09] the units are just being created
[12:10] out of nowhere.
[12:12] We are really looking for them
[12:15] to be moved from one place to
[12:19] here.
[12:21] Policy 7.1.3 of the future land
[12:24] use element is a policy that
[12:26] requires the analysis of need
[12:28] for expansion of the urban
[12:29] cluster.
[12:31] So two parts to that.
[12:32] The applicant is not proposing
[12:35] to expand the urban cluster.
[12:36] And the staff policies that
[12:38] we're proposing also would not
[12:40] change the location of the urban
[12:41] cluster line.
[12:43] So the everlee farmstead
[12:45] community would continue to be
[12:46] located outside of the urban
[12:48] cluster, even though it would be
[12:51] served by central sanitary sewer
[12:55] and potable water.
[12:57] The applicant did not find that
[12:59] analysis that is part of the
[13:00] evaluation and proposal which we
[13:02] are considering right now was
[13:04] wrong or invalid.
[13:06] And really didn't identify sort
[13:09] of in the way that our
[13:10] comprehensive plan requires the
[13:12] identification of need.
[13:14] There isn't really a methodology
[13:18] to get there.
[13:19] i think what I would say about
[13:21] that is sort of as staff, we
[13:24] focused on the policy outcomes
[13:30] for this particular piece of
[13:31] property.
[13:32] That is the build-out through
[13:33] the future land use designation
[13:35] as compared to the build-out
[13:37] under the proposed policies.
[13:39] And given those two, we think
[13:42] that the option as we propose
[13:45] today is a better outcome for
[13:46] several reasons than what might
[13:49] be allowed with 275 units on the
[13:56] site today.
[13:57] Policy 7.1.3e of the
[13:58] comprehensive plan deals with
[14:00] what you have to do if you are
[14:01] expanding the cluster.
[14:03] And there's a bunch of stuff in
[14:04] there, like that's the analysis
[14:05] of need part.
[14:08] But there's also okay, if you
[14:09] are going to expand it, you have
[14:11] to do one of these two things.
[14:14] And one of those is that 25% of
[14:16] any new units have to be
[14:19] affordable at 80% of area median
[14:19] income.
[14:22] And the other sort of option is
[14:24] that you have to have a transfer
[14:26] of development rights for any
[14:28] new units authorized by the
[14:28] amendment.
[14:30] So those are sort of the two
[14:33] ends of the spectrum.
[14:36] And what we have sort of done is
[14:37] mashed those together.
[14:42] And so what we have said is that
[14:44] there has to be a purchase or
[14:48] pay a fee in lieu of for
[14:49] 5,000 acres of other land where
[14:52] those units could come from.
[14:55] That's 55% of the full tdr
[14:56] requirement.
[14:58] And that the development has to
[15:00] provide 250 affordable housing
[15:04] units, that's at the 80% ami, at
[15:05] or below 80% ami.
[15:07] And that's about 45% of that
[15:14] full requirement.
[15:15] We have kind of mixed that and
[15:16] said you get some of this and
[15:18] some of that but together they
[15:20] add up to that full 100%.
[15:22] Just graphically because some
[15:24] people MAY think better, you can
[15:26] kind of think of the top arrow
[15:30] going zero to 8,900.
[15:31] 8,900 would be the total number
[15:33] of acres required to offset the
[15:34] additional entitlements.
[15:35] On the bottom you could look at
[15:38] that 25% and say it would be 557
[15:40] units if it were all affordable
[15:41] housing.
[15:42] So you might say, well, like if
[15:45] you were right in the middle,
[15:49] it's 4,450 of tdr, 279 of
[15:51] affordable units.
[15:52] You could slide that bar over to
[15:56] one side and do less tdr and
[15:56] more affordable units.
[15:58] You could slide the bar the
[16:01] other direction and do more tdr,
[16:03] fewer affordable units.
[16:05] And in discussion with the
[16:06] applicant, this is sort of the
[16:11] place that we arrive, which is
[16:11] 5,000 acres, 250 affordable
[16:12] units.
[16:14] So that's kind of how we got
[16:14] there.
[16:16] There isn't a policy specific to
[16:18] that in the comprehensive plan
[16:18] today.
[16:20] And those policies that are in
[16:22] there about tdr and affordable
[16:24] housing are related specifically
[16:27] to the expansion of the cluster.
[16:28] Again, we're not expanding the
[16:30] cluster, so this is sort of an
[16:31] in-between where we are taking
[16:34] those policies that we have in
[16:34] the comprehensive plan and
[16:37] adapting them to how this site
[16:40] might function.
[16:43] >> chair: any questions on that,
[16:45] commissioners?
[16:46] Okay.
[16:48] i'd love to go through it.
[16:49] >> yeah, let's go through it
[16:49] first.
[16:51] >> chair: okay.
[16:55] >> MR. Chair, the policies 3.1.5
[16:56] and 3.1.6 provide some options
[17:03] to the board about expanding or
[17:04] expending potable water and
[17:05] sanitary sewer lines into
[17:06] outside the cluster.
[17:09] There's an a, b, c and d.
[17:11] And one of those is sort of the
[17:13] health, safety, welfare, you
[17:14] know, if we don't do that,
[17:15] people are going to -- wells are
[17:17] going to go bad or, you know,
[17:19] there's too many septic tanks,
[17:19] something like that.
[17:22] So those are sort of a and b,
[17:23] those two.
[17:25] C is that the board finds --
[17:26] makes a finding and that's what
[17:28] we're doing here tonight -- that
[17:32] the extension of those
[17:34] facilities would meet the goals
[17:35] of the comprehensive plan in
[17:36] some other way.
[17:38] And so we have really said --
[17:40] and in here, it talks about the
[17:42] retention and expansion of
[17:44] business and industry or the
[17:45] attraction of new business.
[17:47] What we have said instead is
[17:49] that really that protection of
[17:52] land through the tdr and the
[17:54] provision of affordable housing
[17:55] units are goals that the
[17:57] commission has identified in its
[17:59] comprehensive plan.
[18:01] And so that this plan really
[18:03] does support those other goals
[18:05] that are identified in the
[18:06] comprehensive plan.
[18:08] That's why we think it's okay
[18:11] for the extension of potable
[18:12] water and sanitary sewer.
[18:13] In addition to having that many
[18:20] units would really require it
[18:20] anyway.
[18:26] So again, it is supportive of
[18:28] the 250 affordable units, the
[18:29] 5,000 acres of conservation or
[18:32] ag preservation and the urban
[18:36] form of development that will be
[18:38] underan as part of this.
[18:42] And then really, at that point,
[18:44] policy 3.1.6 doesn't apply
[18:47] because that specifically
[18:48] applies to the expansion of the
[18:49] urban cluster.
[18:51] So that's sort of how we went
[18:52] through that analysis of those
[18:57] two policies that were required
[19:02] in the conditions of the sas
[19:03] resolution.
[19:03] For transportation mobility,
[19:06] there's really a couple of
[19:07] policies that support that, that
[19:10] deal with the transportation
[19:12] mobility aspect.
[19:18] Proposed policy 8.6.6.3 require
[19:21] the development consistent with
[19:21] tnd standards.
[19:22] So the development itself sets
[19:24] up the idea of character areas
[19:26] which are different parts of the
[19:27] development and would have
[19:28] different kinds of
[19:29] characteristics.
[19:31] So there's both the village core
[19:32] and village edge that would
[19:34] function much like our village
[19:36] center and transit supportive
[19:38] area for TNDs function.
[19:40] And then the hamlet portion of
[19:41] the development, which would
[19:43] function like our outside the
[19:45] transit supportive area.
[19:47] And although the standards
[19:49] aren't necessarily specifically
[19:50] implemented in the comp plan
[19:53] here, we make reference to those
[19:55] sections of our comp plan being
[19:58] the guiding factor for how those
[20:00] areas will develop.
[20:03] The fourth character area is the
[20:05] farmstead character area.
[20:08] That's more rural and isn't
[20:10] appropriate to have those same
[20:11] urban design standards.
[20:12] we'll talk about that here in
[20:13] just a second as well.
[20:16] And then proposed policy 8.6
[20:17] 8.6.6.13 writers the
[20:19] implementation of a mobility
[20:20] district which is what we have
[20:22] for our other mobility fee.
[20:23] We have three mobility districts
[20:25] in the county and it would
[20:28] require the implementation for a
[20:30] mobility district specific to
[20:31] this development with a fee that
[20:33] is intended to support projects
[20:37] that are related directly to
[20:39] this everlee farmstead
[20:39] community.
[20:41] And that includes a requirement
[20:43] to construct internal
[20:44] infrastructure that enhances
[20:46] mobility within the development
[20:49] and also a limitation on
[20:50] development, the amount of
[20:52] development prior to the
[20:54] programming of four-laning of
[21:00] state road 24 to parker road.
[21:03] I mentioned the character areas.
[21:05] So the farmstead generally
[21:07] allows density up to one
[21:09] dwelling unit per 3 acres which
[21:11] is a little higher than our
[21:12] current rural ag designation.
[21:13] There are some areas that
[21:16] require clustering and that are
[21:18] calculated at the one dwelling
[21:21] unit per 5 acres so it's not
[21:23] directly 1-to-3 over the whole
[21:24] thing, but generally that's
[21:25] where we started.
[21:27] The hamlet is I'll just say more
[21:29] suburban in nature and allows
[21:30] densities up to five dwelling
[21:31] units per acre but again would
[21:34] be very similar in design
[21:35] outside the transit supportive
[21:37] area and design standards,
[21:40] sidewalks, pedestrian, bike,
[21:41] transportation infrastructure.
[21:44] The village edge, which would be
[21:46] mixed use with up to 10 dwelling
[21:48] units per acre and a minimum of
[21:48] 300 units.
[21:50] And then the village core which
[21:52] is mixed use with up to 16
[21:54] dwelling units per acre and
[21:55] minimum of 600 units.
[21:58] So those are both a little bit
[22:01] the maximum density of those two
[22:02] are a little bit higher than
[22:04] what is allowed in our tnd.
[22:08] So our tnd maxes out on I think
[22:09] 10 dwelling units per acre in
[22:11] the village center and goes down
[22:12] in the transit supportive area.
[22:14] So these would be a little bit
[22:16] higher, on the high end.
[22:18] And rather than having a minimum
[22:19] density on the low end, it's a
[22:20] minimum number of units.
[22:22] It's a little bit different, but
[22:23] accomplishes a similar kind of
[22:24] goal.
[22:26] And then the five dwelling units
[22:29] per acre is one dwelling unit
[22:31] per acre more intense than our
[22:32] low density future land use
[22:34] designation, but really sits in
[22:35] the same sort of area in terms
[22:41] of intensity.
[22:43] The farmstead character area
[22:45] under the proposed policies is
[22:48] required to be a minimum of
[22:51] 400 acres, so 400 acres out of
[22:51] the 996 acres.
[22:54] And a minimum of 50% of that is
[22:58] set aside for uses consistent
[22:59] with policy 6.2.12c which is the
[23:02] policies in our rural clustered
[23:03] subdivisions related to open
[23:04] space.
[23:06] And this would include all of
[23:08] the CMAs that are designated
[23:10] as part of the special area
[23:11] study.
[23:13] Those are CMAs and they only
[23:15] get to be CMAs.
[23:17] You don't do development or
[23:18] stormwater in there.
[23:19] It would also include areas
[23:21] where the strategic ecosystem
[23:24] standards apply, either as a
[23:27] clustered subdivision or as
[23:29] complete set aside as, you know,
[23:30] potentially ag lands or
[23:33] something like that.
[23:35] There would be more property in
[23:39] the farmstead, so the sort of
[23:40] remaining homestead area from
[23:43] the lee family, which is sort of
[23:44] centrally east located in the
[23:46] project would be included in
[23:46] this.
[23:48] And then there would be
[23:49] additional open space areas that
[23:57] would be included as well.
[23:58] Policy 8.6.611 would require a
[24:01] working farm as part of the
[24:02] development, which would be a
[24:03] minimum of 20 acres in size.
[24:06] It has to be located outside of
[24:08] any cma or any of the other
[24:10] areas that are identified with
[24:11] the additional development
[24:12] standards as part of the special
[24:13] area study.
[24:16] And this would generally support
[24:18] agricultural and community-based
[24:20] agriculture related activities.
[24:22] So you can think of this as
[24:23] farm-to-table type of things,
[24:27] farmers' markets, actual farm,
[24:27] producing farm.
[24:28] There's a range of activities
[24:30] that could be considered as part
[24:37] of that.
[24:39] Policy 8.6.6.15 requires a pd.
[24:41] It requires the implementing pd.
[24:43] So all of this will be
[24:44] implemented by a planned
[24:45] development zoning district.
[24:48] We don't have any current zoning
[24:49] districts that would be
[24:51] appropriate for it.
[24:52] And it requires the planned
[24:53] development to include
[24:55] disturbance limitations so that
[24:58] means the actual areas of land
[24:59] where you are disturbing the
[25:01] property as you're developing.
[25:04] So it would require a
[25:05] minimization of that and
[25:07] provides for some selective
[25:09] clearly in the CMAs where that
[25:11] is consistent with the
[25:14] restoration of the cma itself.
[25:15] Policy 8.6.16 requires
[25:17] geophysical testing prior to
[25:19] stormwater management facility
[25:19] design.
[25:21] The specifics of that are still
[25:22] being sort of worked out as part
[25:24] of the planned development.
[25:26] But I'll just note that as part
[25:28] of the U.F. Golf pd, there was
[25:31] some pretty stringent
[25:33] requirements about testing,
[25:34] subsurface testing prior to
[25:36] implementation of stormwater
[25:36] management system.
[25:38] We would anticipate similar
[25:41] kinds of requirements on the pd.
[25:43] And then it also requires a
[25:45] stormwater best management
[25:46] practices document as part of
[25:47] the planned development.
[25:48] And you will see all of that in
[25:53] the future if you decide to
[25:54] transmit.
[25:58] Water conservation policy
[26:01] 8.6.6.17 establishes a maximum
[26:02] landscape irrigation limit,
[26:05] requires florida native or
[26:06] florida-friendly landscaping,
[26:08] sets limits on fertilizer and
[26:10] provides for soil limits and
[26:11] lots and common areas.
[26:13] I'm going through this very
[26:15] broadly right now.
[26:17] Establishes irrigation water
[26:18] sources and rules and introduces
[26:22] the idea of an irrigation
[26:23] utility within the development.
[26:26] So all of these are things that
[26:28] there are some pretty solid
[26:30] language already in the plan on
[26:30] these.
[26:32] But there will be more
[26:34] implementing language at the
[26:34] planned development.
[26:36] Suffice it to say nearly all of
[26:37] these are things that we don't
[26:39] get in our normal developments
[26:40] here in alachua county.
[26:42] So even with the policy language
[26:45] that we have in the plan, we are
[26:47] sort of already a leap ahead of
[26:49] where our existing development
[26:53] patterns are today.
[26:57] And as part of the analysis, we
[27:00] did review public facilities
[27:01] availability.
[27:02] Gru has sufficient capacity in
[27:07] both its water and wastewater
[27:09] systems to serve the
[27:09] development.
[27:10] There are likely to be
[27:11] improvements both on the site
[27:13] and potentially off-site and
[27:15] further up the distribution
[27:19] system in order to support the
[27:20] development with the capacity
[27:22] available in the plants.
[27:24] Fire rescue reviewed the
[27:25] application and has indicated
[27:26] there would be no issues
[27:28] providing services to the site
[27:32] at our urban level of service
[27:32] guidelines.
[27:33] So similar to how we provide
[27:36] service within the cluster.
[27:37] And alachua county public
[27:38] schools reviewed the proposal
[27:41] and found capacity exists either
[27:44] within the current school
[27:45] concurrency service area for the
[27:47] project or an adjacent school
[27:48] concurrency service area.
[27:50] I will say that analysis was
[27:52] done prior to the rezoning, that
[27:54] the district has not adopted new
[27:56] school concurrency service areas
[27:56] yet.
[27:58] They are working on that.
[28:01] But in terms of what's available
[28:04] today in the system, it's
[28:04] available.
[28:06] It has to be available to serve
[28:11] the development.
[28:12] The planning commission heard
[28:14] this item on JULY 15th and
[28:16] they recommended the board of
[28:17] county commissioners transmit
[28:18] the item.
[28:20] I will say that they provided a
[28:22] comment and this is in the staff
[28:23] report.
[28:24] That there were concerns and
[28:26] discussion about the potential
[28:27] for transportation impacts in
[28:29] the southwest portion of the
[28:32] county related to this
[28:32] development.
[28:34] There were not any specific
[28:35] recommendations from the
[28:36] planning commission about that.
[28:38] Just a request to let you know
[28:40] that they had concerns and there
[28:41] was discussion among the
[28:44] planning commission members on
[28:45] that.
[28:46] The board, you guys are holding
[28:48] a public hearing tonight to
[28:49] decide whether to transmit this
[28:50] item.
[28:51] This is a large scale
[28:52] comprehensive plan amendment.
[28:55] It would be transmitted to the
[28:58] state for state review, both at
[28:59] the florida commerce which is
[29:02] the state planning agency as
[29:04] well as other state agencies
[29:05] that would have an interest in
[29:06] the application.
[29:07] If you transmit it, once
[29:08] received, florida commerce and
[29:10] those other organizations would
[29:12] have 30 days to respond and
[29:14] provide comments to us.
[29:16] And then if there are comments,
[29:19] county staff would work with the
[29:21] applicant to solve any of those
[29:23] and schedule a final adoption
[29:23] hearing.
[29:26] So that's a tbd date.
[29:29] So, MR. Chair, that is the end
[29:30] of my presentation.
[29:31] I'll just say staff recommends
[29:32] that the board of county
[29:34] commissioners find the
[29:39] application z26-000005 with
[29:41] staff's proposed policies
[29:41] consistent with the
[29:42] comprehensive plan and transmit
[29:43] the proposed comprehensive plan
[29:44] amendment to florida commerce
[29:46] and other agencies for their
[29:47] review and comments.
[29:48] >> chair: okay.
[29:49] Right on time.
[29:50] Right on time.
[29:51] I think what we're going to do
[29:53] is pause the public hearing.%
[29:55] we will open it up for public
[29:56] comment, not related to this
[29:56] item.
[29:58] And then we'll bring you back
[29:59] up, chris, we'll ask questions
[30:01] and then we'll hear from the
[30:01] applicant.
[30:02] Sound good?
[30:05] Sound good, commissioners?
[30:07] MR. Konish, welcome.
[30:08] >> jim konish.
[30:09] I'd like to thank commissioner
[30:10] chestnut and wheeler for
[30:12] speaking with me on JULY 12th
[30:15] and sending county environmental
[30:18] protection out to poe springs to
[30:21] protect the public from a toxic
[30:25] dead spring.
[30:32] As you know, sunday I walked
[30:33] down.
[30:37] Our spring is closed for human
[30:37] occupation.
[30:42] Your lavish six-stall pump-out
[30:46] toilets are not being used.
[30:49] Poe springs flow is zero.
[30:53] It's a putrid pond.
[30:54] This incredible runout to the
[30:56] river where I have spent
[30:59] hundreds of hours, the spring
[31:00] does not even return to the
[31:05] river, sir.
[31:09] I'd like to change the subject.
[31:11] Under the trim notices that went
[31:15] out, taxpayers need to be aware
[31:17] that stormwater and solid waste
[31:18] assessments in the city of
[31:21] gainesville have moved from gru
[31:22] bills to tax bills.
[31:25] And the notices aren't crystal
[31:25] clear.
[31:28] You have 20 days to object to
[31:30] your non-ad valorem assessments
[31:33] or to apply for a hardship
[31:33] exemption.
[31:36] The city of gainesville has a
[31:37] hardship exemption forms on
[31:38] their website.
[31:39] The county does not.
[31:41] The county is refusing to give
[31:43] me a copy.
[31:45] They say they will only give it
[31:46] to a homestead owner.
[31:48] I have done the public records
[31:48] law.
[31:49] I have had a lot of problems
[31:50] with public records.
[31:52] And I will sue the county to get
[31:55] whatever I need under the law.
[31:56] And there will be other things
[31:58] that I'll be suing them for,
[32:01] other violations.
[32:10] To its credit, gru looked at
[32:12] anomalous water bills and has
[32:13] discovered a lot of serious
[32:13] leaks.
[32:20] And I had one in front of my
[32:20] residence.
[32:21] In the duckpond across from
[32:24] thomas center they put the water
[32:25] meter off my property.
[32:27] Someone most have drove over it,
[32:28] ups or amazon.
[32:31] They broke the connection.
[32:33] And I leaked for a year and a
[32:36] half massive amounts of water,
[32:39] billed to my house with
[32:40] wastewater fees.
[32:42] And there was no visible
[32:44] evidence because a live oak tree
[32:47] drank the water as fast as it
[32:48] leaked and got really big.
[32:53] Now, this is just old
[32:54] infrastructure.
[32:55] But alachua general hospital had
[32:57] a water leak in the basement for
[32:58] the entire life of the hospital.
[33:00] It was a broken line in front of
[33:01] the water meter.
[33:03] They thought it was a spring.
[33:03] [Tone]
[33:06] Citizens need to know every leak
[33:07] is different.
[33:09] And there's large amounts of
[33:11] money owed to customers.
[33:12] >> chair: thank you, jim.
[33:12] >> such as myself.
[33:13] >> chair: thank you, MR. Konish.
[33:14] >> thank you.
[33:16] >> chair: thank you.
[33:18] Next speaker, please, public
[33:18] comment.
[33:19] Anyone?
[33:23] Going once, going twice.
[33:24] Okay.
[33:25] Come on in.
[33:26] Oh, hey, sam.
[33:28] That's my nephew.
[33:30] >> and that's my uncle.
[33:30] [Laughter]
[33:31] It's the first time I have
[33:32] spoken in a forum like this.
[33:34] I understand it's three minutes,
[33:35] right?
[33:35] >> chair: yeah.
[33:36] You've got a green light and the
[33:38] green light means go.
[33:39] Red light means stop.
[33:40] >> thank you all.
[33:42] Good evening, commissioners, and
[33:43] thank you for the work you do
[33:44] for this county.
[33:46] My name is sam cornell.
[33:47] For years I reviewed the license
[33:48] plate camera program.
[33:49] Of course, this is something a
[33:50] lot of counties have been
[33:52] talking about nat news.
[33:54] I'm not here to criticize the
[33:55] county or compliment the county.
[33:56] What I did do three the freedom
[33:59] of information requests, I
[34:00] published my findings and I have
[34:02] a document here if you are
[34:02] interested in that.
[34:04] I have a one page printout if
[34:06] you are interested in brevity
[34:07] that I can get to you at the
[34:07] end.
[34:09] What I found is why I'm here.
[34:12] and pardon me, I just walked in
[34:14] the door and I was getting my
[34:14] paperwork together.
[34:17] As we speak, alachua county's
[34:18] unique and expensive with flock
[34:22] and exxon companies extend to
[34:22] 1540 organizations.
[34:26] That's not 1540 neighboring
[34:27] police departments.
[34:29] Their roster includes some
[34:30] faraway agencies I'm just going
[34:31] to name a few.
[34:33] We share or police information
[34:35] captured by flock and axon
[34:37] cameras with the tupelo regional
[34:40] airport police, wallace state
[34:41] community college police, the
[34:42] missouri department of
[34:44] conservation, national park
[34:45] services natchez trace parkway
[34:47] and, of course, the university
[34:50] of north texas at denton police.
[34:51] Ask yourself why the nebraska
[34:53] state patrol needs a photo of
[34:55] your car, or actually 12 photos
[34:57] of your car on newberry road
[34:57] taken today.
[34:58] Don't get me wrong.
[35:00] I broadly trust the government.
[35:02] But the data in alachua's
[35:03] agreement can also be shared
[35:05] with lowe's corporate, private
[35:07] HOAs and dozens of landlords
[35:09] from what I found inside.
[35:10] What are we doing, you know?
[35:12] Think about that for a minute.
[35:13] There are many such examples
[35:14] showing misuse and abuse of
[35:16] these cameras in florida and
[35:17] nationwide.
[35:19] That is not me alleging anything
[35:21] against aso or its brave men and
[35:21] women.
[35:24] But it does underscore what
[35:25] becomes possible when local
[35:26] governments connect themselves
[35:28] to a national data-sharing
[35:29] infrastructure.
[35:30] I'm asking that this commission
[35:33] act locally against national
[35:33] spillover.
[35:34] What bothers me in this county,
[35:36] if you want a left turning lane
[35:38] or if you want a fire station or
[35:40] you want street party, you have
[35:42] to have public speech about
[35:42] that.
[35:43] You have to have debate about
[35:44] that and open forum and the
[35:45] public speaks first.
[35:46] That's how it works here.
[35:48] A system that photographs all of
[35:49] us every day and ships that data
[35:52] across the country, that arrived
[35:54] with no hearing, no comment, no
[35:55] vote.
[35:56] At least not one that I could
[35:56] find.
[35:57] And that's okay, I don't expect
[35:59] you to know every dollar the
[36:00] sheriff is spending money on.
[36:02] I also don't expect anything to
[36:03] necessarily be done about this
[36:04] right away.
[36:05] But I want to call it into
[36:06] attention.
[36:06] This isn't free.
[36:08] The newest contract we just
[36:10] signed with axon for 10 years
[36:12] from now is $935,000.
[36:14] Tha's real money, that's a
[36:15] deputy or two.
[36:16] That's filling overtime gaps.
[36:19] That's retention bonuses.
[36:20] I'd rather fund officers than
[36:21] this camera technology.
[36:23] Here's my ask and I'll wrap it
[36:24] up here.
[36:25] I'm asking alachua county
[36:27] considers changing the 30-day
[36:29] data retention that these
[36:31] cameras collect to 7 days.
[36:32] Often it's cited if a person
[36:34] goes missing or a car gets
[36:35] stolen we can use these cameras
[36:36] to find them.
[36:36] [Tone]
[36:38] That's a great thing.
[36:39] I don't call in my car being
[36:40] stolen 30 days after it
[36:41] happened.
[36:42] I have other asks but I'm happy
[36:43] to share with you at another
[36:44] time.
[36:45] The paper that I published or
[36:47] the one-page printout.
[36:48] >> you can leave it.
[36:51] >> chair: sam, if clerk, we'll get
[36:51] copies of those.
[36:52] Isn't he great?
[36:54] >> he is great.
[36:55] >> well, look, you know, I was
[36:56] trying to warm up here but I
[36:58] just walked in the door.
[37:04] >> chair: that's my new port newark.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K.K. Time.
[37:05] He didn't tell me he was coming
[37:07] either which is even greater.
[37:08] That's what I love about it.
[37:10] >> he looks good in a coat and
[37:11] tie, too.
[37:12] >> chair: I know.
[37:13] He wears a tie and I don't.
[37:14] Look at this guy.
[37:15] We're going to go ahead and
[37:16] close public comment.
[37:17] Did you have a comment to public
[37:17] comment?
[37:18] >> I did.
[37:19] >> chair: commissioner prizzia.
[37:19] >> I guess I have a question
[37:20] regarding this.
[37:22] I'm not sure if he's speaking
[37:25] specifically about security
[37:25] cameras hat the sheriff's
[37:28] office is deploying that are
[37:29] separate from the cameras that
[37:32] we did vote on regarding school
[37:34] zone enforcement.
[37:35] But during that conversation
[37:38] that we did deliberate about, we
[37:39] were very clear -- or I was very
[37:40] clear and it was part of the
[37:42] motion that we retain that data
[37:44] and control over that data and
[37:46] that we not share it or sell it
[37:48] to anybody outside of the
[37:49] county.
[37:50] So if those cameras are included
[37:53] in what he's reporting to us, I
[37:55] would like information back.
[37:58] and I would like to know, you
[38:01] know, what is the extent of
[38:02] those contracts.
[38:04] >> chair: you want to ask him?
[38:04] >> do you know?
[38:06] I'm looking at our staff because
[38:07] they helped draft that contract.
[38:08] >> no worries.
[38:09] Those are different cameras.
[38:11] And they are doing speed zone
[38:11] enforcement only.
[38:13] They are not retaining license
[38:14] plate data.
[38:15] And they have a different scope
[38:15] of agreement.
[38:17] The companies that I'm referring
[38:20] to are flock and axon.
[38:20] >> yeah.
[38:22] And I didn't know what -- I have
[38:24] the same concerns that you have
[38:26] about rights to privacy, access
[38:30] to our data and had expressed
[38:31] that during those meetings and
[38:33] sort of like tried to rein in
[38:36] what was possible so we could
[38:37] still enforce school zones
[38:39] efficiently but also protect
[38:43] people's rights and safety and
[38:43] privacy.
[38:45] But now you've got me concerned.
[38:46] So thank you for bringing this
[38:47] to my attention.
[38:48] I will certainly read your
[38:49] report and I would be interested
[38:52] to understand if any of those
[38:53] contracts are county contracts
[38:56] or if they are only sheriff's
[38:57] office contracts.
[38:57] >> chair: sam, do you know the
[38:58] answer to that?
[38:59] >> the last thing I'll say to
[39:03] that because I do -- that is
[39:08] part of a project with lawton
[39:09] chiles on 24th.
[39:11] It would be a subsidiary
[39:13] agreement because they are their
[39:14] own thing.
[39:16] >> chair: and flock and axon get
[39:19] access to the right-of-way how?
[39:22] >> alachua county has 250 50
[39:24] installed right now and 40 are
[39:24] coming.
[39:29] I'm not asking that we remove
[39:29] but oversight.
[39:32] There are 50 scattered about
[39:35] alachua county primarily on
[39:36] state and county roads and the
[39:38] data is interchangeably shared.
[39:40] >> chair: I had someone contact
[39:43] me, one right outside of haile
[39:48] plantation outside of lawton
[39:48] chiles.
[39:49] >> that actually is a school
[39:50] zone camera.
[39:51] There's not a flock camera on
[39:53] that road oddly enough.
[39:54] >> chair: we'll read the report.
[39:56] >> no worries.
[39:58] >> I would ask our staff let us
[40:00] give that report also to the
[40:00] sheriff's office and ask if they
[40:02] could give us a report back
[40:04] about what the data sharing is
[40:06] in their contracts and
[40:06] agreements.
[40:08] And, you know, that there is a
[40:09] concern at least for me, if you
[40:10] guys are okay with that, there's
[40:12] a concern from this board about
[40:13] how our data in alachua county
[40:15] is being shared outside the
[40:16] confines of public safety within
[40:17] our county.
[40:18] And if that is the case, we'd
[40:20] like to have a conversation.
[40:21] >> well, there is from the
[40:21] community, too.
[40:23] We're getting emails from folks.
[40:24] >> chair: does anybody object to
[40:24] that request?
[40:25] >> no.
[40:26] >> no.
[40:26] >> chair: thank you.
[40:28] So missy, did you have anything
[40:29] to comment on that or you'll get
[40:30] back to us?
[40:33] >> no, I can send out a request
[40:33] tonight.
[40:34] >> chair: all right.
[40:35] >> thank you.
[40:35] >> I feel very heard.
[40:38] >> chair: thank you, sam.
[40:39] Isn't he great?
[40:40] Behalf laugh I think I've
[40:42] already said that a couple of
[40:43] times.
[40:45] That's my brother's son.
[40:46] That's my new port
[40:49] nephew.
[40:51] >> who is that, ken?
[40:51] >> chair: that's sam.
[40:53] My mom had two sons.
[40:53] [Laughter]
[40:54] I had two sons.
[40:56] My brother had two sons, that's
[40:57] one of them.
[40:59] And then both my sons had sons.
[41:00] >> all right.
[41:01] >> chair: that's kind of a
[41:01] thing.
[41:02] Yeah, okay.
[41:02] We're going to close public
[41:04] comment and stop talking about
[41:04] ken and his family.
[41:08] And we're going to go back to
[41:12] MR. Dawson, your presentation
[41:13] before we hear from the
[41:16] applicant, any commissioners
[41:19] that have questions for
[41:19] MR. Dawson.
[41:21] We have commissioner prizzia.
[41:22] >> I would point out we have
[41:24] lots of staff here from our
[41:25] other review departments and
[41:26] they can also answer some of
[41:26] those questions.
[41:27] >> chair: so you are ready to
[41:29] pass that microphone.
[41:30] >> I MAY pass that buck if
[41:31] needed, MR. Chair.
[41:32] >> chair: they are over there
[41:34] laughing thinking you can
[41:34] handle.
[41:35] Go ahead.
[41:36] Commissioner prizzia, start us
[41:36] off.
[41:38] >> I have a whole like, you
[41:40] know, marked up document here,
[41:41] lots of questions.
[41:43] I tried to summarize them in a
[41:45] sheet for myself.
[41:46] Would you mind pulling up the
[41:47] presentation?
[41:49] And maybe I'll try to go in the
[41:51] order that you brought them up.
[41:52] >> sure.
[41:54] >> and then, you know, I guess I
[41:55] don't know if you want me to
[41:57] just do a couple and then
[41:57] pass --
[41:59] >> chair: no, no.
[42:00] Go ahead.
[42:02] He might answer a lot of ours.
[42:03] >> here we go.
[42:05] I guess first and foremost, I
[42:08] want to understand, are all
[42:10] strategic ecosystem areas within
[42:14] the strategic area study being
[42:16] protected with the current
[42:17] strategic area plan?
[42:19] >> MR. Chair, I'm going to ask
[42:23] one of our epd folks, steve
[42:24] hofstetter.
[42:25] >> chair: you're already kicking
[42:26] it off.
[42:26] Hey, steve.
[42:26] Welcome.
[42:33] >> good evening, steve
[42:33] hofstetter, environmental
[42:34] protection department.
[42:36] All the areas identified through
[42:37] the special area study isn't
[42:38] being protected through this
[42:39] application.
[42:41] Is that accurate?
[42:44] To kind of split it up into two
[42:45] parts, every part that was
[42:47] identified within their project
[42:49] area for protection is being
[42:49] protected.
[42:51] So the areas within the lands
[42:54] that they own in the 996 acres
[42:56] is being protected as identified
[43:00] in the plan.
[43:02] The plan study recognized lands
[43:04] on the east side of the road
[43:05] that are currently, you know,
[43:08] owned by the state that also
[43:09] required protection.
[43:12] That aspect is separated from
[43:16] this project area and this
[43:17] applicant is not involved in the
[43:19] protection of that area.
[43:22] That's maybe the first step of
[43:24] answering your question.
[43:24] >> okay.
[43:26] Well, I guess I'll speak to my
[43:27] colleagues and the applicant in
[43:29] that regard.
[43:30] So, you know, when we started
[43:35] down this pathway -- and this is
[43:36] a long time ago.
[43:37] This is before the applicant was
[43:40] even the applicant, right.
[43:41] The conversation about this area
[43:43] was about the entire
[43:44] 4,000 acres.
[43:45] At that time, it was about 4,000 acres.
[43:47] It was under single ownership by
[43:49] the lee family and their subsidy
[43:52] companies that they had
[43:52] developed.
[43:53] And the plan was that they were
[43:56] going to do the strategic area
[43:57] study because it was their
[43:57] property.
[43:59] Sometimes the county will
[43:59] undertake a strategic area study
[44:02] and talk to all the landowners
[44:03] and get consensus around what
[44:05] we're going to do with that
[44:05] property.
[44:07] It was a single landowner so it
[44:08] made sense for them to undertake
[44:10] the strategic area study because
[44:11] they wanted to do it now because
[44:13] they wanted to get moving with
[44:14] some projects, right.
[44:16] So they did that.
[44:18] And when that work and that
[44:20] world, they said, okay, we
[44:22] recognize that we would like to
[44:24] donate this piece of property to
[44:25] U.F. For their golf course.
[44:27] We would like to retain our
[44:27] homestead.
[44:29] And we would like to develop the
[44:29] rest.
[44:32] And we were like, whoa, what?
[44:34] Like that's a huge amount of
[44:35] development outside of the urban
[44:36] cluster.
[44:39] That would be disastrous for the
[44:40] water quality.
[44:41] Can we have a conversation about
[44:42] that?
[44:43] The conversation went, long
[44:44] story short, at the end of the
[44:46] day, the conversation landed on
[44:48] the fact that if they protected
[44:50] the 2,000 acres on the west side
[44:56] of parker road, that we would be -- and in particular the
[44:56] conservation management areas
[44:59] across that entire 4,000 acres,
[45:00] that we would be interested and
[45:02] willing to entertain the
[45:04] development of the remaining
[45:04] acreage.
[45:06] And that was the deal.
[45:09] And we also agreed that phase 1
[45:10] would be the golf course because
[45:11] they wanted to get that golf
[45:12] course moving quickly because
[45:15] U.F. Had some urgency around
[45:16] that property.
[45:18] And so we did our part and we
[45:19] said okay.
[45:21] And we gave U.F. The right to
[45:22] move forward with our golf
[45:24] course quickly, like they
[45:24] wanted.
[45:27] And now we're here with part 2.
[45:29] And from my perspective, part 2
[45:33] is protecting all of the CMAs
[45:36] in that area and, therefore,
[45:37] getting the development rights
[45:39] and entitlements to be able to
[45:41] develop in a huge way beyond
[45:43] what the original entitlements
[45:44] are.
[45:46] So I understand that property
[45:48] isn't under the ownership of the
[45:49] current owners any more, right?
[45:51] They sold it to the university
[45:52] of florida.
[45:55] And I understand that they can't
[45:56] necessarily control the
[46:00] decisions of the university of
[46:01] florida.
[46:02] However, they clearly have a
[46:04] tied relationship to the
[46:05] university of florida.
[46:06] They are donating them the golf
[46:06] course.
[46:08] They are in conversations about
[46:09] how trails might connect in
[46:10] their development.
[46:12] And so, you know, for me to be
[46:14] able to feel comfortable moving
[46:20] forward with this, I really need
[46:21] to see some sort of
[46:22] documentation what the
[46:23] protections are for that cma
[46:24] area on the west side of the
[46:24] property.
[46:27] I know that ifas is working on
[46:28] management plans for that area.
[46:29] >> chair: I don't think they are
[46:29] here tonight.
[46:30] >> well, I know they are not
[46:31] here tonight.
[46:32] I'm telling them before final
[46:34] development plan, before this
[46:35] thing gets any kind of stamp of
[46:37] approval to move forward on it
[46:39] in a serious way with digging
[46:40] that first shovel of dirt, I
[46:44] need to see written evidence
[46:47] that there is protections and a
[46:49] restoration and management plan
[46:50] for that western side cma.
[46:56] Because this is -- that was the
[46:56] deal.
[47:00] That was the deal that we all
[47:00] struck.
[47:02] We've got a lot of sensitive
[47:03] areas that need protection and
[47:05] those need to be protected in
[47:10] order for them to develop.
[47:11] And now it's-like at the last
[47:13] minute because the state saw
[47:15] what they wanted the golf course
[47:16] path, they struck a deal and
[47:18] sold that property to U.F.
[47:20] Instead of doing the longer,
[47:22] harder process of a conservation
[47:24] easement with like rural and
[47:24] family lands which was the
[47:25] original plan.
[47:27] And I don't fault them for that
[47:28] and I don't blame them for that.
[47:30] But I also --
[47:32] >> chair: that's part of this
[47:34] application.
[47:35] >> well, then I'm not really
[47:36] interested in this application.
[47:37] I mean did we
[47:39] we have to protect those
[47:40] areas.
[47:41] That was the deal.
[47:42] And I think that they can.
[47:43] There are management plans.
[47:44] There's a contract that they
[47:45] have with the owners for the
[47:48] sale of that property and what
[47:49] they are and aren't allowed to
[47:51] do on that property that they
[47:52] could provide to us.
[47:53] U.F. Is planning a restoration
[47:54] plan for that property.
[47:55] They are planning a management
[47:56] plan for that property.
[48:01] They are talking about it being
[48:03] like austin cary or broadway
[48:03] swisher.
[48:05] I want to see them written and
[48:06] documented and I think our
[48:07] community deserve that.
[48:08] They deserve the right to have
[48:10] that information in writing what
[48:14] U.F. Is going to do with that
[48:15] conservation land on the western
[48:16] side of the property.
[48:17] I understand it's not a subject
[48:18] of this specific application but
[48:20] it's part of the strategic area
[48:20] study.
[48:22] In order for the strategic area
[48:24] study to implement a strategic
[48:25] area plan, I don't think we can
[48:27] move forward until we have that
[48:29] with an actual development,
[48:30] until we have that information.
[48:30] That's my 2 cents.
[48:32] I don't know how my other
[48:33] colleagues feel about it.
[48:34] >> chair: I feel differently but
[48:35] we'll get to it.
[48:37] >> I do too.
[48:39] >> I will -- my questions then
[48:41] are if that's not being
[48:42] protected, like what can the
[48:44] applicant provide us around that
[48:45] with regards to what ifas is
[48:48] doing with their protections or
[48:48] conservation?
[48:50] I have reached out to ifas and
[48:52] asked them to do a walking tour
[48:54] of the property and talk to them
[48:56] about the management plans so I
[48:57] could get some comfort myself
[48:58] with it.
[48:59] I think for the public, they
[49:00] should also have that
[49:01] information.
[49:02] It shouldn't just be something I
[49:06] know because I walked the
[49:06] property.
[49:08] Question, the 260 acres that's
[49:13] referenced in policy 3.1.5 for
[49:16] the farmstead area, it says --
[49:19] it's on page 10 of the staff
[49:19] report.
[49:24] And it says the extension of
[49:26] potable water and wastewater are
[49:31] great than densities and will
[49:32] participate in the stormwater
[49:35] and the set aside of 260 acres
[49:36] of the development site.
[49:38] Can you talk to me about those
[49:39] 260 acres of set aside?
[49:41] >> thank you, MR. Chair, yes.
[49:42] So, as I mentioned in the
[49:43] farmstead area, we have required
[49:49] that to be a minimum of
[49:49] 400 acres.
[49:53] And then 200 of that has to be
[49:55] in uses that are consistent with
[49:58] the clustered subdivision
[49:59] policies.
[50:01] So those are generally ag uses,
[50:03] conservation uses.
[50:05] Just depending on those
[50:06] properties.
[50:08] And then we have an additional
[50:11] policy that requires another
[50:12] 60 acres specifically of open
[50:15] space set aside.
[50:15] >> gotcha.
[50:16] Thank you for that.
[50:16] thank you.
[50:19] That answers that question.
[50:20] You had the study about the
[50:22] impacts to archer road and
[50:23] parker road.
[50:24] And in the report, it talks
[50:26] about the potential of failure
[50:29] of service provision at 39% of
[50:30] the development.
[50:32] But currently, as it stands, I
[50:33] believe we have the development
[50:35] allowing to go forward with 50%
[50:39] before it has to have met the
[50:39] provisions.
[50:41] Is there a reason why we didn't
[50:44] stick with the 40%, 39 -- I'll
[50:45] round it up to 40%.
[50:48] That is the --
[50:49] >> MR. Chair, I'm going to call
[50:51] up another colleague.
[50:53] >> chair: okay.
[50:54] MR. Hays, transportation guy.
[50:57] >> well, no.
[50:58] In terms of that specific
[51:00] number, I wanted to step up
[51:00] because that was a decision that
[51:02] I made.
[51:04] Generally speaking, so we don't
[51:06] do concurrency really anywhere
[51:07] in the county, but that policy
[51:11] is a concurrency-like policy.
[51:15] And to be quite frank, the 39% I
[51:17] thought 50% was a reasonable
[51:18] number in terms of the
[51:19] entitlements for getting the
[51:22] project off of the ground.
[51:24] And also allowing the county the
[51:25] surety that we were not going to
[51:27] let something get out of hand on
[51:28] archer road.
[51:30] Ultimately, you know, that is
[51:31] modeling.
[51:33] That is a transportation impact
[51:33] analysis.
[51:34] It could be that, it could be
[51:35] something more.
[51:36] It could be something less.
[51:38] But in terms of the regulatory
[51:40] approach, I thought 50% was a
[51:41] good rule of thumb number for
[51:42] that policy.
[51:42] >> okay.
[51:43] And do we have a similar thing
[51:46] for when the bike trail
[51:48] connections to archer braid need
[51:50] to be done or any of the
[51:51] internal trail networks that
[51:53] would serve that community?
[51:54] >> MR. Chair, so what we are
[51:57] working on, we do not have a
[52:00] policy in the grandparent
[52:01] amendment.
[52:03] I know because we are
[52:04] concurrently working on the
[52:07] planned development and allison,
[52:08] MS. Moss and myself are working
[52:09] `on it today, looking at the
[52:10] conditions that will accompany
[52:11] the planned development.
[52:12] And there will be a condition to
[52:14] that effect with the number of
[52:14] units.
[52:15] >> that will be great.
[52:16] >> chair: you are workin on a
[52:17] condition for that.
[52:17] >> yes.
[52:18] In the planned development.
[52:20] >> chair: in the pd.
[52:21] >> in a couple of months.
[52:22] >> that's great.
[52:23] I think that's really important.
[52:25] I think we have had a lot of
[52:26] challenges with some of the
[52:28] other developments that we're
[52:29] committed to doing trail network
[52:30] connections.
[52:31] And, you know, then it's like,
[52:33] oh, well, that's too expensive,
[52:34] all of a sudden, and, you know,
[52:35] then we're kind of struggling to
[52:36] kind of make it work.
[52:38] So just knowing that it's
[52:39] committed and that it's an
[52:40] expectation it's going to get
[52:41] done --
[52:41] >> chair: that's in the pd.
[52:43] >> it's really important.
[52:43] Okay.
[52:47] Let's see.
[52:49] Also in the pd, we're going to
[52:53] be having more specificity how
[52:55] we will limit the phases and
[52:58] work on that limiting of lot
[53:00] clearing and/or like -- you
[53:05] talked about limiting -- you go
[53:06] down your slides and you talk
[53:12] about the limiting of --
[53:13] >> keep going.
[53:26] >> what is the word he used?
[53:29] There, to limit -- there go
[53:29] back.
[53:32] Include disturbance limitations.
[53:35] >> so, MR. Chair, I have people
[53:37] who can talk a little bit more
[53:42] specifically about the types of
[53:43] implementation tools we're
[53:47] talking about at the pd, just
[53:49] generally without biasing you
[53:50] towards the overcome of this.
[53:52] I would say generally those are
[53:54] sort of specific standards that
[53:56] we're identifying at the pd
[53:56] stage.
[53:58] They MAY not necessarily be
[54:00] phasing related in the
[54:01] traditional sense where we talk
[54:02] about a number of units or
[54:03] something like that.
[54:05] I'm guessing that they will take
[54:06] a different form, like on the
[54:09] golf course we talked about how
[54:11] far outside of the greenways you
[54:13] could go with heavy machinery
[54:15] and those kind of things.
[54:16] I would anticipate they are more
[54:17] in that range.
[54:19] I think stacy or mary could talk
[54:20] a little more in detail about
[54:22] those if you have specific
[54:22] questions about how they are
[54:24] approaching that.
[54:27] >> I guess I would like to hear
[54:28] how they are approaching them.
[54:29] I think it was one of the key
[54:31] things in some of our conditions
[54:33] for the --
[54:34] >> chair: mary, stacy, you want
[54:35] to take it?
[54:37] She said no, you take it.
[54:38] Again, this is a pd thing.
[54:39] >> but it was part of the
[54:40] conditions in our strategic area
[54:45] study that we limit that we have
[54:46] L.I.D. And have a disturbance.
[54:47] >> chair: it's going to be
[54:48] handled in the comp plan.
[54:49] Mary, welcome.
[54:54] >> mary szoka, stormwater
[54:55] quality with epd.
[54:56] Do you have a specific question
[54:58] or overarching what you think?
[55:00] >> my question is how are we
[55:02] ensuring that they are going to
[55:05] limit disturbance of the natural
[55:06] areas to the greatest extent
[55:07] possible as they are doing their
[55:09] development practices.
[55:11] >> so as mentioned, that will be
[55:15] further like defined in the pd.
[55:16] Preliminarily, we provided
[55:17] feedback on setting limits of
[55:20] disturbance setbacks.
[55:21] Similar language was recommended
[55:24] and implemented for the golf
[55:27] course portion of the project.
[55:28] >> thank you.
[55:29] >> chair: thanks, mary.
[55:31] That wasn't so bad.
[55:32] Stacy is like ha ha.
[55:33] `
[55:34] >> chris, you mentioned this was
[55:37] supposed to follow or tnd and
[55:39] tod policy as best as it can,
[55:41] given that it has some
[55:43] differences in its densities.
[55:44] And that includes sort of them
[55:46] following our -- it looked like
[55:47] there might have been different
[55:49] policies regarding setbacks and
[55:50] street escapes and blocks.
[55:52] To my mind, it looked like their
[55:55] goal was to make those even more
[55:56] refined, which in our mind -- to
[55:58] my mind would be a good thing if
[55:59] we're trying to do more dense
[56:00] and more compact development.
[56:02] I want to check in that is the
[56:02] case.
[56:04] >> MR. Chair, you know, when we
[56:05] adopted our tnd design
[56:06] standards, both in the comp plan
[56:09] and then the sort of
[56:11] implementing language in our
[56:13] land development regulations, it
[56:14] was pretty early days.
[56:15] And we weren't necessarily
[56:17] trying to be as aggressive as
[56:20] one could possibly be about
[56:21] getting those forms.
[56:22] I think we really -- our goal
[56:27] was to sort of manage that level
[56:32] of urbanness within the context
[56:35] of our pretty suburban cluster.
[56:36] I don't think that anybody would
[56:39] look at our tnd standards and be
[56:41] like that gets you the most
[56:43] urban form ever.
[56:44] Like I don't think any of us
[56:45] would say that.
[56:49] So I think there is room for the
[56:53] applicant to propose some
[56:54] additional tighter standards,
[56:57] one, the pd.
[56:58] Meaning smaller setbacks,
[57:01] smaller lots, like tighter.
[57:02] >> tighter, yeah.
[57:05] >> as well as sort of those
[57:07] additional pieces of policy
[57:08] language that are in the comp
[57:12] plan as proposed that are
[57:14] supportive of additional
[57:15] standards at the pd level, that
[57:18] we MAY not necessarily implement
[57:22] in all of our other TNDs or
[57:23] TODs but MAY meet what the
[57:25] applicant's goal is for the form
[57:26] of that development.
[57:28] Does that answer your question?
[57:29] I don't think there is -- this
[57:31] is me being honest and this is
[57:33] how I intended the policies to
[57:36] be, which is that at the
[57:38] minimum, they would have to meet
[57:39] those design standards that we
[57:40] have in a tnd.
[57:41] >> chair: in the tnd.
[57:43] >> when you get to the pd.
[57:45] But at pd, when you look at
[57:46] that, we MAY be pointing out to
[57:47] you, hey, here's something
[57:49] that's different than what we
[57:52] strictly do in our TNDs.
[57:52] >> right.
[57:54] Maybe there will be things we
[57:55] can adopt.
[58:01] Okay.
[58:01] Excellent.
[58:03] Under the stuff about low impact
[58:04] development and all of that --
[58:06] again, I MAY be getting to the
[58:06] pd.
[58:07] I'm probably more interested in
[58:08] the details.
[58:10] >> chair: you are nailing the pd
[58:11] for sure.
[58:11] We'll stop there.
[58:13] >> all the things I need to talk
[58:14] about, they are already in
[58:14] process.
[58:15] Let's get it out there.
[58:17] The public hears about these
[58:18] things, emails that we have
[58:19] gotten regarding concerns and
[58:21] the conversations that I have
[58:22] had with concerns about this,
[58:23] these are the things that people
[58:24] are concerned about.
[58:25] >> chair: sure.
[58:31] >> and that is the water and
[58:32] amount of water for irrigation,
[58:34] I think staff have done an
[58:36] amazing job of having the water
[58:37] budget and working generally
[58:38] speaking on this idea that it's
[58:40] mainly reclaimed water, but that
[58:42] it is also going to be, you
[58:43] know -- there's going to be a
[58:44] water budget and there has to be%
[58:45] a maximum amount of water they
[58:48] can use and try to limit
[58:50] irrigation on their individual
[58:51] propertie and things like that.
[58:54] But I guess I'm interested to
[58:55] understand how we are monitoring
[58:56] that.
[58:58] Like is that right of inspection
[58:59] by the county?
[59:01] Is that with -- how is that
[59:02] going to work?
[59:05] >> I'm going to ask I think
[59:07] stacie greco to come and talk
[59:08] about that.
[59:09] >> chair: mary says I'm not
[59:10] taking it.
[59:12] Hey, stacie.
[59:15] >> stacie greco, epd water
[59:15] resources.
[59:17] So the question is how will we
[59:19] monitor that.
[59:20] So as lots are developed, so way
[59:22] down the road if they are
[59:23] developed, you know, we have
[59:25] written in it does have to
[59:26] follow chapter 77.
[59:28] So any irrigation would have to
[59:29] go through our approval process.
[59:33] So that's already set up for
[59:34] anywhere irrigation is going on
[59:34] in the county.
[59:36] So then we would look at this
[59:38] differently because it has
[59:39] stricter requirements than our
[59:40] chapter 77.
[59:44] So we would look, okay, you can
[59:45] only irrigate 40% of the lot
[59:47] instead of 50%.
[59:48] And there are additional things
[59:50] that we would have to keep track
[59:51] of, so I think we have written
[59:52] it in.
[59:54] There's a certain percentage of
[59:55] the lots that would have no
[59:56] permanent irrigation.
[59:57] So we would definitely have to
[59:59] keep track of, you know, those
[1:00:00] types of things.
[1:00:02] And, you know, that would be in
[1:00:04] the pd, potentially some of the
[1:00:06] stuff would go in the covenants
[1:00:08] and restrictions for the
[1:00:09] neighborhood depending on, you
[1:00:12] know, what exactly we're talking
[1:00:13] about.
[1:00:14] >> will there be like
[1:00:14] requirements?
[1:00:16] Or are we talking about the idea
[1:00:18] of having soil moisture sensors
[1:00:20] and ensuring they shut off rain
[1:00:22] gauges and using technologies
[1:00:24] like that to ensure water isn't
[1:00:25] being wasted in the development?
[1:00:26] >> yes.
[1:00:29] So already our code requires
[1:00:33] soil moisture sensors or smart
[1:00:33] E.T. Controllers.
[1:00:36] So those would have to be used.
[1:00:38] I imagine when we get to the pd,
[1:00:42] we will also have in larger
[1:00:44] scale water conservation
[1:00:45] technologies
[1:00:47] technologies built in to that,
[1:00:47] also.
[1:00:48] >> we had a farmer come today
[1:00:50] who is downstream of the
[1:00:51] development that's very
[1:00:53] concerned about the impacts of
[1:00:55] runoff to their wells and the
[1:00:59] amount of nitrogen that's going
[1:01:00] to come from using reclaimed
[1:01:02] water that has additional
[1:01:04] nitrogen load plus the farm on
[1:01:05] site, things like that.
[1:01:06] Is there any plan to have a
[1:01:08] monitoring well for water
[1:01:12] quality on site?
[1:01:13] >> that's a great question.
[1:01:14] We did build in a monitoring
[1:01:15] plan for the golf course
[1:01:16] neighborhood which is nearby or
[1:01:20] the golf course property.
[1:01:21] We have not discussed doing
[1:01:22] groundwater monitoring.
[1:01:24] We could definitely talk to the
[1:01:31] applicant as we move through
[1:01:33] these and it could be integrated
[1:01:34] in other properties in that
[1:01:35] area.
[1:01:37] There's the wetland going in and
[1:01:38] a lot happening in that area
[1:01:41] that perhaps taking a broader
[1:01:42] approach makes sense.
[1:01:46] >> okay, thank you.
[1:01:48] You might want -- well, steve
[1:01:50] might want -- I guess is steve,
[1:01:52] not really stacie because it's a
[1:01:53] question about the tdr.
[1:01:55] I'm really excited -- I'm
[1:01:57] actually really excited about
[1:01:59] this part of this application.
[1:02:04] I think it's a great way to use
[1:02:05] TDRs to the advantage of
[1:02:06] protection of actual natural
[1:02:07] resources rather than just
[1:02:08] buying some development rights
[1:02:10] here and some development rights
[1:02:12] there and actually moving this
[1:02:13] money to buy conservation land
[1:02:14] that's meaningful and going to
[1:02:16] make an impact.
[1:02:19] And so for me, this seems like a
[1:02:19] win-win for us.
[1:02:21] And I know that, you know, some
[1:02:22] of the folks in our community
[1:02:24] are less than excited about
[1:02:26] seeing this kind of urban
[1:02:27] density outside of the urban
[1:02:28] cluster.
[1:02:30] But given it's surrounded by
[1:02:32] development and given the
[1:02:33] proposals that they have put
[1:02:34] together and all the work that
[1:02:36] staff have done to get the kind
[1:02:37] of provisions that we have, I
[1:02:39] actually think this is the best
[1:02:41] potential outcome for this piece
[1:02:42] of property with the protection
[1:02:45] of the cma on the west side and
[1:02:45] this tdr program.
[1:02:47] Because I think that we
[1:02:49] MR. Ultimately protect a lot
[1:02:51] more important resources,
[1:02:53] natural resources and lands to
[1:02:56] this county than a lot of the
[1:02:57] farmland that's there,
[1:02:59] especially with the amount of
[1:03:00] sustainable decision making that
[1:03:01] the developer is already
[1:03:02] committed to.
[1:03:04] It sounds like they are going to
[1:03:05] continue to be pushed towards
[1:03:06] with the prd.
[1:03:08] My question is, how are we
[1:03:10] establishing the fee in lee for
[1:03:12] this and are we going to be sure
[1:03:14] we have a number we all agree on
[1:03:16] prior to preliminary development
[1:03:18] plan being approved.
[1:03:19] >> MR. Chair, steve hofstetter
[1:03:20] again, environmental protection.
[1:03:21] The way it's going to work, we
[1:03:23] are going to come up with a
[1:03:25] development or developer's
[1:03:27] agreement that will outline the
[1:03:28] agreements of how that program
[1:03:29] `is going to function.
[1:03:31] We're in the early talks now
[1:03:35] about what that value might be
[1:03:36] per tdr as well as, you know,
[1:03:38] where, how, you know, all those
[1:03:40] details are going to be in an
[1:03:41] agreement that will come back to
[1:03:42] the board.
[1:03:44] I understand it's before
[1:03:47] preliminary, is that correct?
[1:03:47] Somewhere --
[1:03:48] >> chair: part of the pd or
[1:03:50] after the pd prior to
[1:03:51] preliminary?
[1:03:53] >> yes, probably after pd, but
[1:03:53] before preliminary.
[1:03:56] Maybe during the pd there's a
[1:03:57] little more information that's
[1:03:58] coming out about strategies of
[1:04:00] how we're moving toward that
[1:04:02] final agreement.
[1:04:02] >> okay.
[1:04:05] I guess my one request is that
[1:04:09] as we work towards that, that
[1:04:10] there is definitely an interest
[1:04:12] in the county being able to
[1:04:14] enforce any of the easements
[1:04:16] that are purchased and like that
[1:04:17] we have enforcement authority on
[1:04:18] those easements.
[1:04:20] Because I think, you know, they
[1:04:21] are going to -- you don't know
[1:04:22] who they are going to buy them
[1:04:23] from.
[1:04:24] If they decide to buy them
[1:04:26] themselves, if it's fee in lieu,
[1:04:28] it's no big deal.
[1:04:29] >> chair: we'll make that
[1:04:30] decision.
[1:04:32] >> if they are negotiating
[1:04:33] TDRs for individuals with
[1:04:35] easements, we are on there with
[1:04:36] having right of enforcement on
[1:04:38] those easements is my only
[1:04:38] request in addition to a good
[1:04:41] approach for the TDRs that is
[1:04:43] fair and equitable and uses
[1:04:45] appraisal processes that make
[1:04:47] sense, so that it's transparent
[1:04:50] how we're getting to that
[1:04:51] number.
[1:04:52] Okay.
[1:04:55] The farm, for me, I think it's
[1:04:57] really important -- there's some
[1:04:59] talk in there about the farm.
[1:05:01] And it talks about it as if it's
[1:05:02] bona fide ag.
[1:05:05] I have to say it.
[1:05:06] >> it's the last --
[1:05:06] >> yeah.
[1:05:08] From my perspective -- and I
[1:05:10] have had this conversation
[1:05:11] before with staff and with the
[1:05:11] applicant.
[1:05:14] I think this farm really should
[1:05:16] be considered institutional use
[1:05:19] or some other land use.
[1:05:22] While it might be ag, it is an
[1:05:23] amenity for the development.
[1:05:28] It is much like -- I consider it
[1:05:29] much like a pool or tennis court
[1:05:30] or something like that.
[1:05:31] It's going to be agriculture.
[1:05:33] And in that way, it's going to
[1:05:35] be sharing important values
[1:05:38] around our local food system and
[1:05:41] around what it should look like
[1:05:42] I think.
[1:05:44] And what I have seen of their
[1:05:46] plans, it's going to be really
[1:05:47] amazing for people to learn
[1:05:48] about what local food systems
[1:05:50] are, how they work, how local
[1:05:51] farms work and being able to
[1:05:53] connect people to their food,
[1:05:55] which I am really excited about.
[1:05:56] I do think because this is part
[1:05:57] of a development system and a
[1:05:59] system that we're really
[1:06:00] concerned about in regards to
[1:06:02] water quality and water quantity
[1:06:04] and those sorts of things I
[1:06:05] really would like to see that
[1:06:06] this farm have some of the same
[1:06:08] requirements to develop a
[1:06:11] nutrient -- like to do soil
[1:06:13] testing and develop a nutrient
[1:06:14] management plan and a crop plan
[1:06:14] -
[1:06:17] and to develop irrigation and
[1:06:19] water budget plan for the farm
[1:06:22] and to submit those to us, you
[1:06:23] know, the same way they are
[1:06:24] doing with some of the
[1:06:25] irrigation structures.
[1:06:27] And so that it's not just okay,
[1:06:30] this little piece is set aside,
[1:06:32] so it can do whatever it wants.
[1:06:34] I think that it should be part
[1:06:38] of the overall development plan
[1:06:39] structure in compliance and
[1:06:42] enforcement that we are doing
[1:06:46] with our other water quality and
[1:06:48] quantity concerns about the
[1:06:48] development.
[1:06:50] >> MR. Chair, I will just point
[1:06:51] out, if the board is deciding to
[1:06:54] make that change, obviously, the
[1:06:55] applicant will want to maybe
[1:06:57] address that.
[1:06:59] That's condition m talks about
[1:07:00] that bona fide ag has that
[1:07:02] ability to follow best
[1:07:03] management practices.
[1:07:04] If we are going down that way,
[1:07:05] that would probably be the
[1:07:07] policy you want to adjust.
[1:07:08] >> okay, thank you.
[1:07:08] >> moving forward.
[1:07:12] >> and then my last question is
[1:07:14] do by know if the farm -- I
[1:07:16] guess this is a question for the
[1:07:16] applicant.
[1:07:18] I'll wait until the applicant
[1:07:18] comes up.
[1:07:20] I think I have had all of my
[1:07:21] questions addressed, so I will
[1:07:23] pass the mic to mary.
[1:07:24] >> chair: okay.
[1:07:25] Commissioner alford and then
[1:07:27] commissioner wheeler.
[1:07:27] >> okay.
[1:07:30] Of course, that's right in my
[1:07:31] tablet here decides to go to
[1:07:32] sleep.
[1:07:33] >> sorry about that.
[1:07:34] [Laughter]
[1:07:35] >> oh, he wants to be charged.
[1:07:37] That's where all my questions
[1:07:39] are, so excuse me for like 2
[1:07:41] seconds until I plug this guy
[1:07:41] in.
[1:07:43] >> I can come up with more.
[1:07:43] [Laughter]
[1:07:44] Just kidding.
[1:07:46] >> while that's restarting, just
[1:07:51] one thing.
[1:07:55] Originally, MR. Lee had 4,000
[1:07:56] something acres.
[1:07:58] And if he had decided to just
[1:08:01] develop that all into 5-acre
[1:08:02] lots he could have done that by
[1:08:07] right and had quite a few lots,
[1:08:09] 800 I think.
[1:08:13] Is that about right?
[1:08:14] >> MR. Chair, we could probably
[1:08:16] have discussions all day long
[1:08:18] about that very particular
[1:08:19] question.
[1:08:22] I'll give you sort of --
[1:08:22] >> yeah.
[1:08:24] >> the basics of that which is
[1:08:25] that the future land use
[1:08:28] designation for this property is
[1:08:29] one dwelling unit per 5 acres.
[1:08:31] So I think you can kind of start
[1:08:31] there.
[1:08:34] But we do have additional
[1:08:36] limitations in our comprehensive
[1:08:36] plan.
[1:08:38] One about the number of plots
[1:08:40] that are not part of a clustered
[1:08:44] subdivision that can be created
[1:08:46] outside of the urban cluster in
[1:08:46] any given year.
[1:08:48] And that number is 100.
[1:08:50] So I think it's important to
[1:08:53] sort of keep that perspective.
[1:08:54] And we have lots being created
[1:08:58] in the unincorporated area that
[1:08:59] sort of qualify for that.
[1:09:02] They are not part of a clustered
[1:09:03] subdivision that take up some
[1:09:04] part of that.
[1:09:06] So I think you could say -- I
[1:09:08] don't think there would ever be
[1:09:10] 5-acre lots as far as the eye
[1:09:11] can see.
[1:09:12] Yes, there are parts of the
[1:09:13] county that are like that before
[1:09:15] we had our subdivision
[1:09:16] regulations today.
[1:09:18] It would be nearly impossible to
[1:09:20] do that going forward.
[1:09:22] So I don't think we would say
[1:09:23] there would be 5-acre lots as
[1:09:24] far as the eye can see.
[1:09:26] I think you could say there
[1:09:31] would be 3-acre lots and a less
[1:09:32] than sustainable development
[1:09:33] form.
[1:09:33] >> right.
[1:09:35] And that's all.
[1:09:37] I don't need too much detail.
[1:09:39] It was just the point was there
[1:09:41] could have been something a lot
[1:09:41] worse here.
[1:09:43] And I think that by protecting
[1:09:46] the land on the west side and
[1:09:49] by, you know, creating this, you
[1:09:51] know, and the deal that you
[1:09:53] talked about, I feel good about
[1:09:53] this.
[1:09:55] Even though some of my most
[1:09:56] favorite people in the county
[1:09:59] have sent me emails talking and
[1:10:02] asking us not to transmit this.
[1:10:04] We have been talking about this
[1:10:05] a long time and I feel really
[1:10:06] good about it.
[1:10:09] I wanted to start by saying
[1:10:09] that.
[1:10:11] My computer came up and here it
[1:10:11] is.
[1:10:15] Now I will ask my questions.
[1:10:17] So we had the discussion -- it's
[1:10:19] always great to follow anna.
[1:10:21] >> chair: she gets a lot of it
[1:10:22] out of the way.
[1:10:23] >> she gets a lot out of the
[1:10:23] way.
[1:10:25] When we get to that 50%
[1:10:27] development part, is there any
[1:10:28] provision that there has to be
[1:10:33] any sort of public transit -- or
[1:10:35] not public transit, but any sort
[1:10:37] of transit relief part of the
[1:10:37] neighborhood?
[1:10:40] I know they have talked about
[1:10:41] doing a park and ride lot and
[1:10:42] things like that.
[1:10:43] Anything that could relieve some
[1:10:46] of the impact to archer road and
[1:10:48] other roads in the area.
[1:10:49] >> yeah.
[1:10:51] So I think the way that I would
[1:10:53] answer that is that there's
[1:10:56] detail to follow.
[1:10:58] But that, you know, one of the
[1:11:00] things that we say about our
[1:11:03] mobility plan is that it
[1:11:04] considers development within the
[1:11:06] cluster and not development
[1:11:07] outside the cluster.
[1:11:09] That's one of the sort of
[1:11:11] hallmarks of a mobility plan.
[1:11:12] And because this is a
[1:11:13] development that we wouldn't
[1:11:16] have anticipated as part of our
[1:11:18] mobility plan, we would think
[1:11:19] there would be additional
[1:11:21] projects that are necessary to
[1:11:22] support it.
[1:11:23] Because this is a pretty big
[1:11:24] piece of property.
[1:11:26] We're not talking about 20 units
[1:11:27] on a little piece of property.
[1:11:29] It is pretty significant.
[1:11:30] So we do have a policy that, as
[1:11:34] I mentioned, establishes or will
[1:11:35] establish a mobility district
[1:11:37] specifically for this property.
[1:11:39] And we would anticipate that
[1:11:42] there is at the very least a
[1:11:44] transit project that is tied to
[1:11:45] that.
[1:11:46] We propose that in our policies
[1:11:48] today, a table that's related
[1:11:49] specifically to that.
[1:11:50] Exactly what that transit
[1:11:53] service looks like, we don't
[1:11:54] have that spelled out.
[1:11:56] Is it going to run through the
[1:11:56] project?
[1:11:57] Is it going to run around the
[1:11:58] project?
[1:12:00] what are the headways going to
[1:12:00] be?
[1:12:01] Does it run all week?
[1:12:02] I don't have the answer to all
[1:12:04] of those.
[1:12:08] And all of those will sort of
[1:12:09] contribute to the cost.
[1:12:12] But I think yes, we have
[1:12:14] considered that just like with
[1:12:16] the cluster, transit is an
[1:12:17] important component of mobility.
[1:12:18] We would anticipate that to be
[1:12:20] the case here as well.
[1:12:21] >> okay.
[1:12:22] And I do appreciate the fact
[1:12:24] that the developer has talked
[1:12:26] about putting in a park and ride
[1:12:27] lot.
[1:12:29] Because given the number of
[1:12:31] people that commute, that would
[1:12:33] make sense whether we get
[1:12:35] transit like we want it there or
[1:12:36] not, we could at least have car
[1:12:39] pooling that could work better.
[1:12:41] Let's see.
[1:12:42] Just a comment.
[1:12:46] I would love to see no
[1:12:48] irrigation to any residential
[1:12:49] lots and a soil amendment as
[1:12:50] well.
[1:12:51] I know soil amendments are part
[1:12:53] of what you guys are discussing
[1:12:56] in terms of minimizing the need
[1:12:59] for irrigation.
[1:13:01] I also wanted to talk about --
[1:13:07] you mentioned a well for water
[1:13:08] quality monitoring.
[1:13:10] I always hate that because by
[1:13:11] the time you see it in the well,
[1:13:13] we already have an issue.
[1:13:16] So I'm curious if we might think
[1:13:18] about as we're going forward
[1:13:21] something like a nitrogen budget
[1:13:25] instead because we know how much
[1:13:27] nitrogen is in the reuse water.
[1:13:30] We know what's necessary for a
[1:13:30] farm.
[1:13:33] I know that's asking a lot.
[1:13:33] >> chair: MS. Greco.
[1:13:33] >> yeah.
[1:13:37] so for the non-agriculture
[1:13:39] portion, we have written into
[1:13:41] this no fertilizers.
[1:13:43] So they will be doing soil
[1:13:46] amendments prior to installing
[1:13:47] landscaping.
[1:13:49] And then, you know, they can do
[1:13:50] soil amendments, compost and
[1:13:52] stuff after that.
[1:13:55] But no, you know, traditional
[1:13:59] fertilizers with nitrogen and
[1:13:59] phosphorus in it.
[1:14:00] That is most of the property.
[1:14:06] So we think that will have a big
[1:14:07] impact.
[1:14:08] >> we just talked about a
[1:14:09] monitoring well.
[1:14:10] In lieu of a monitoring well for
[1:14:14] the rest of it, a nitrogen
[1:14:15] budget -- I worked on one like
[1:14:23] that on another project.
[1:14:24] >> it's something we can discuss
[1:14:24] with the applicant.
[1:14:25] You're talking about for the
[1:14:26] agricultural area?
[1:14:28] >> for the agricultural areas,
[1:14:29] yeah.
[1:14:31] And for any place using the
[1:14:33] reuse water.
[1:14:35] You know how much nitrogen
[1:14:37] you're putting on the water with
[1:14:37] the calculation.
[1:14:38] I just thought it was something
[1:14:39] to look at.
[1:14:41] I don't know if it's something
[1:14:42] doable but I thought I would
[1:14:44] suggest it for discussion.
[1:14:49] >> thank you.
[1:14:51] >> let's see.
[1:14:56] When we get to the -- what do
[1:14:57] you call it?
[1:14:59] The 5,000 acres that we're
[1:15:03] looking at for the conservation,
[1:15:05] we are looking at doing multiple
[1:15:07] tracts and multiple areas
[1:15:09] probably because we're probably
[1:15:11] not going to get a 5,000-acre
[1:15:13] tract we do buy or they could
[1:15:14] buy.
[1:15:15] >> MR. Chair, that's a good
[1:15:15] question.
[1:15:17] I asked our lands people, are
[1:15:18] there 5,000-acre tracts and
[1:15:20] but there's not very many of
[1:15:20] them.
[1:15:22] >> and we have a lot of small
[1:15:24] tracts that are on our, you
[1:15:25] know, want list.
[1:15:26] >> so the way that our policy is
[1:15:29] written today, it references the
[1:15:31] transfer of development rights
[1:15:32] policies that we already have in
[1:15:35] our plan for expansion of the
[1:15:35] cluster.
[1:15:37] And there are already some
[1:15:40] requirements in those policies.
[1:15:42] So for conservation properties,
[1:15:44] they have to be on our -- is it
[1:15:46] the active acquisition list?
[1:15:46] >> yes.
[1:15:46] >> that's right.
[1:15:48] They have to be on the active
[1:15:50] acquisition list.
[1:15:52] Generally, the default is not
[1:15:54] smaller than 160 acres, but
[1:15:55] there's some exceptions to that.
[1:15:57] And there are similar
[1:15:59] requirements for the purchase of
[1:16:00] agricultural lands.
[1:16:04] So I think that the short answer
[1:16:06] is we're not likely going to go
[1:16:08] find a 5,000-acre tract, either
[1:16:10] the applicant or us unless they
[1:16:11] know something that we don't
[1:16:12] about acquiring land.
[1:16:14] So I would anticipate the county
[1:16:16] would be using this along with
[1:16:19] its other funds for acquisition
[1:16:22] to acquire lands as they become
[1:16:23] available to us.
[1:16:24] >> just like we would normally
[1:16:27] try to find the best quality
[1:16:27] lands.
[1:16:30] >> if the applicant is paying a
[1:16:31] fee in lieu, yes.
[1:16:33] >> that answers that question.
[1:16:36] And one more comment.
[1:16:40] Is there a -- well, maybe a
[1:16:41] comment.
[1:16:43] Is there a provision at all for
[1:16:46] livestock or poultry in the area
[1:16:49] as part of the agricultural
[1:16:52] nature of the development?
[1:16:52] And, you know, I feel like
[1:16:54] people are going to live in an
[1:16:56] agricultural hamlet, they should
[1:16:59] get the full experience.
[1:17:00] [Laughter]
[1:17:02] >> so, MR. Chair, for those
[1:17:04] areas that are within the
[1:17:05] farmstead, where agricultural
[1:17:08] uses are allowed, I would
[1:17:09] anticipate there might be some
[1:17:13] of that.
[1:17:15] And potentially, within some of
[1:17:17] the subdivisions that are in
[1:17:18] that portion of the property --
[1:17:21] I don't know exactly how that
[1:17:23] would play out.
[1:17:26] We don't currently have anything
[1:17:28] addressing that in the planned
[1:17:30] development specifically.
[1:17:32] I don't know on the working farm
[1:17:33] if they intend to have any
[1:17:34] animals.
[1:17:35] I think they have the allowance
[1:17:36] for that, but I don't know if
[1:17:38] that's something that they would
[1:17:39] normally do.
[1:17:40] >> chair: you can ask them to
[1:17:42] address that during their
[1:17:42] presentation.
[1:17:44] >> I was going to ask them to
[1:17:46] address that with the comment
[1:17:51] that I really like the
[1:17:52] regenerative agricultural model
[1:17:54] and animals are part of that in
[1:17:58] terms of creating, you know, a
[1:18:00] healthy, you know, healthy
[1:18:02] environment for regenerative
[1:18:02] agriculture.
[1:18:05] So anyway, that's all I've got
[1:18:05] right now.
[1:18:06] >> chair: thank you,
[1:18:06] commissioner alford.
[1:18:07] Commissioner wheeler.
[1:18:09] >> just a couple of things.
[1:18:11] Was this property ever on the
[1:18:12] acquisition list for us?
[1:18:15] Was it offered to the county for
[1:18:16] purchase?
[1:18:17] >> yes.
[1:18:19] >> I just remember serving with
[1:18:21] a commissioner here who one time
[1:18:23] said, you know, if you are going
[1:18:25] to restrict the use of this
[1:18:26] property, are you willing to buy
[1:18:27] it?
[1:18:28] You know, so that kind of sticks
[1:18:29] in my head.
[1:18:29] [Laughter]
[1:18:30] >> chair: that's good.
[1:18:32] >> I'm trying to understand, was
[1:18:34] it offered?
[1:18:37] >> MR. Chair, steve hofstetter,
[1:18:39] I don't want to get this wrong.
[1:18:41] My memory was that there was
[1:18:43] discussion of putting it on the
[1:18:46] list and it did come in front of
[1:18:50] the commission to be put on the
[1:18:50] list.
[1:18:51] I don't know -- I don't believe
[1:18:52] it got put on the list.
[1:18:53] >> is that right?
[1:18:54] >> yeah.
[1:18:56] But it was nominated.
[1:18:57] >> it didn't rank high enough.
[1:18:58] >> it was nominated.
[1:19:00] >> because when I first came on
[1:19:04] this board, I walked that
[1:19:06] property with thal lee.
[1:19:08] And I remember him sitting in
[1:19:09] the audience where that pretty
[1:19:11] young lady is when he came here
[1:19:12] with th people from the
[1:19:12] university of florida.
[1:19:14] And he took it on the chin big
[1:19:15] time from the community about
[1:19:17] even thinking about working with
[1:19:18] the university.
[1:19:21] And to talk about, you know,
[1:19:22] them making deals with the
[1:19:25] university, that was so badly
[1:19:27] entangled legally that there was
[1:19:29] a lot of strong arming that was
[1:19:29] going on there, too.
[1:19:31] I think the lee family deserves
[1:19:36] the respect from this community
[1:19:37] that they have worked really
[1:19:39] hard over the eight years I have
[1:19:40] been on this board, you know, to
[1:19:42] make sure it got into the right
[1:19:45] hands or it got, you know, to
[1:19:47] the best use of the property and
[1:19:48] the best way that they could
[1:19:50] actually do the dealing for
[1:19:51] their family.
[1:19:53] So, you know, when the time
[1:19:54] comes, MR. Chair, I would have
[1:19:56] the honor of recommending that
[1:19:57] this be transmitted.
[1:19:59] >> chair: okay, thank you.
[1:20:03] >> thank you, steve.
[1:20:07] >> chair: let me go through the
[1:20:07] slides.
[1:20:08] That's the easiest way for me to
[1:20:09] do it.
[1:20:17] Why don't we start with the
[1:20:21] transportation mobility slide?
[1:20:23] This kind of deals with what
[1:20:26] mary was asking earlier.
[1:20:28] >> no one likes my slides.
[1:20:30] >> I liked that slide.
[1:20:32] >> that was clever.
[1:20:36] >> chair: I thought that was
[1:20:38] very creative, not something in
[1:20:39] the comp plan.
[1:20:40] >> I haven't been called
[1:20:41] creative in a long time,
[1:20:41] MR. Chair.
[1:20:42] >> chair: that was creative.
[1:20:44] What we're talking about here is
[1:20:45] actually creating a mobility
[1:20:47] district specific with a fee
[1:20:49] included for transit, ultimately
[1:20:51] when and if we get to that
[1:20:51] point.
[1:20:53] And it would require an internal
[1:20:55] infrastructure that enhances
[1:20:56] mobility, limitation on
[1:20:58] development prior to programming
[1:21:00] of state road 24.
[1:21:02] So are we saying they don't turn
[1:21:06] any dirt until archer road is
[1:21:06] four-laned?
[1:21:08] >> no, MR. Chair, the way that
[1:21:11] policy is written is that the
[1:21:13] limitation is 50% of the
[1:21:15] entitlements.
[1:21:16] >> chair: right.
[1:21:17] so halfway.
[1:21:19] Before they go anywhere past
[1:21:21] hooj, we have to four-lane
[1:21:21] archer road.
[1:21:22] >> yeah.
[1:21:23] It has to be in the five-year
[1:21:24] work program.
[1:21:26] And that's typical because the
[1:21:27] state sometimes moves things
[1:21:28] around so the goal is to get it
[1:21:31] into the work program.
[1:21:32] >> chair: yeah, which I know
[1:21:34] this board has supported and I
[1:21:34] think we can work with the
[1:21:36] applicant on that.
[1:21:38] I know the applicant has worked
[1:21:38] on that.
[1:21:39] Next slide.
[1:21:43] So farmstead property, okay.
[1:21:46] 400 of the acres of the 997 will
[1:21:47] be farmstead?
[1:21:48] >> yes.
[1:21:50] So you could think of the
[1:21:51] character areas.
[1:21:53] You'll see them on the planned
[1:21:53] development.
[1:21:55] And they are almost like
[1:21:56] separate zoning districts within
[1:21:59] the sort of pd itself.
[1:22:00] So each of them will have its
[1:22:02] own sort of development
[1:22:02] standards.
[1:22:04] So you will see graphically that
[1:22:06] there will be 400 acres of
[1:22:09] farmstead on the planned
[1:22:10] development.
[1:22:10] >> chair: yes.
[1:22:12] 40% of the entire development
[1:22:14] will be one unit per 3 acres.
[1:22:16] >> a little more than 40%.
[1:22:17] 40%, right, right.
[1:22:19] Then on the hamlet side, there
[1:22:22] will be 5 units per acre up to 5
[1:22:24] units village and 10 units in
[1:22:26] the village core up to 16 unit.
[1:22:27] >> that's correct.
[1:22:28] >> chair: with those minimums of
[1:22:31] 900 of the 2700 units would
[1:22:34] basically be very dense.
[1:22:35] And those densities.
[1:22:38] and what I had heard in the
[1:22:40] planning commission, there was a
[1:22:41] commissioner who objected
[1:22:43] because he actually wanted more
[1:22:43] density than that.
[1:22:44] Is that right?
[1:22:46] >> yeah, MR. Chair, first of
[1:22:48] all, the 300 and 600 wouldn't
[1:22:50] get you to 10 and 16 dwelling
[1:22:50] units per acre.
[1:22:53] So they would be less than that.
[1:22:56] But even using that, you still
[1:22:57] end up, you know, if you used up
[1:22:59] all of your density in the
[1:23:01] farmstead and used up your 300
[1:23:04] and your 900, with the acreage
[1:23:05] limitations that we have set,
[1:23:07] you get pretty close to four
[1:23:09] units an acre in the hamlet
[1:23:10] area.
[1:23:13] So I just want to keep in
[1:23:15] perspective that becomes really
[1:23:17] consistent with our low density
[1:23:18] residential and the development
[1:23:20] that we have seen in it over the
[1:23:21] last several years.
[1:23:24] It's not as -- it would likely
[1:23:26] be more dense than oakmont, for
[1:23:27] example.
[1:23:27] >> chair: right.
[1:23:28] All four of those would be
[1:23:29] connected to sewer and
[1:23:30] wastewater?
[1:23:31] >> all of the development, any
[1:23:32] new development would be
[1:23:33] connected to sewer and water,
[1:23:34] yes, MR. Chair.
[1:23:34] >> chair: next slide.
[1:23:37] The working farm slide.
[1:23:40] Yeah, right there.
[1:23:43] So must be at least 20 acres
[1:23:45] outside of the 200 cma acres.
[1:23:48] >> so it wouldn't be 200 acres
[1:23:49] that are in a conservation
[1:23:50] management area.
[1:23:52] So that's worth some sort of
[1:23:53] discussion, I suppose.
[1:23:56] What we said is that half of
[1:23:58] that farmstead -- so 200 acres
[1:24:01] if it's 400, have to be in uses
[1:24:04] that are consistent with the
[1:24:06] rural cluster open space
[1:24:07] policies.
[1:24:09] So that includes the
[1:24:10] conservation management area,
[1:24:14] but it also could include other
[1:24:15] uses that might not be
[1:24:17] conservation management.
[1:24:20] So it could potentially be some
[1:24:20] stormwater.
[1:24:23] It could be -- there's a set of
[1:24:25] recreational uses, for example.
[1:24:27] So no, I wouldn't say that there
[1:24:28] would be 200 acres of
[1:24:30] conservation management area.
[1:24:32] There would be 200 acres of what
[1:24:35] I would broadly call undeveloped -- it's not going to
[1:24:38] have houses sitting on it area.
[1:24:40] >> can I ask a question on that?
[1:24:41] >> chair: sure.
[1:24:44] >> would that then -- could it
[1:24:47] in a theoretical framework -- I
[1:24:47] don't imagine it could because
[1:24:49] of the scale of the development.
[1:24:51] But theoretically speaking,
[1:24:52] could all the stormwater be in
[1:24:53] that 200 A.I.
[1:24:54] 200 acres and then call
[1:24:56] that part of their open space
[1:24:57] requirement and check the box
[1:24:58] with stormwater ponds?
[1:25:00] >> so, MR. Chair, the
[1:25:01] commissioner said theoretically
[1:25:03] so I'll say theoretically, I
[1:25:04] suppose.
[1:25:06] I think that is incredibly
[1:25:09] unlikely from an infrastructure
[1:25:09] standpoint.
[1:25:10] >> okay.
[1:25:12] >> chair: next slide on the land
[1:25:13] disturbance.
[1:25:16] So policy 8.6.6.16 writing
[1:25:18] geophysical testing prior to
[1:25:19] stormwater management, have we
[1:25:20] ever required that?
[1:25:21] >> yes, we have one other time
[1:25:23] and that was on the U.F. Golf
[1:25:23] property.
[1:25:25] We have in limited instances
[1:25:27] also required it on specific
[1:25:29] developments where we are either
[1:25:32] aware of particular geologic
[1:25:34] features that might impair that
[1:25:36] or we have also used it at times
[1:25:37] where we know there's a property
[1:25:39] that maybe had a former landfill
[1:25:40] or something on it.
[1:25:41] >> chair: no, I think it's
[1:25:41] great.
[1:25:43] And I appreciate that the
[1:25:44] developer wanted to do it.
[1:25:46] This is what we were asking save
[1:25:48] alachua to require for the terra
[1:25:49] property.
[1:25:50] So the fact that they are
[1:25:51] agreeing to do that I think is
[1:25:52] really, really super.
[1:25:55] Next slide, water conservation.
[1:25:58] So have we ever required these?
[1:26:00] `it seems like we are setting a
[1:26:02] whole new bar.
[1:26:03] >> I would love to espouse I
[1:26:05] could say which of these we
[1:26:06] require currently or have
[1:26:08] required in the past, but
[1:26:09] probably stacie would be better
[1:26:16] at answering that question.
[1:26:20] >> stacie greco.
[1:26:22] Looking at these, we have some
[1:26:24] florida-friendly language in our
[1:26:24] code.
[1:26:24] >> chair: sure.
[1:26:29] >> but most of these I would say
[1:26:31] are new and above current code.
[1:26:32] Especially on the fertilizer,
[1:26:32] that is big.
[1:26:35] And then it is further
[1:26:37] implementing the irrigated area.
[1:26:38] You know, our design code
[1:26:39] already does that, but it's
[1:26:42] taking it further.
[1:26:45] And limiting irrigation to
[1:26:54] reclaimed water.
[1:26:55] Ther not going to have
[1:26:55] irrigation wells.
[1:26:58] >> most of this was also the
[1:27:00] result of the sas requiring it.
[1:27:01] Those were some of the
[1:27:02] conditions we set so forth.
[1:27:03] >> chair: this is a great new
[1:27:08] standard that we are setting
[1:27:09] here and the developer is
[1:27:11] setting here unless I'm missing
[1:27:11] something.
[1:27:12] >> chair: those are the majority
[1:27:15] of my questions I have one
[1:27:16] question for staff.
[1:27:19] And that's the anna issue she
[1:27:20] first brought up.
[1:27:22] How would staff require the
[1:27:26] applicant to enforce U.F. To do
[1:27:29] their conservation management
[1:27:30] plan?
[1:27:32] >> that isn't what I asked.
[1:27:33] >> chair: it isn't?
[1:27:35] >> I asked for proof that U.F.
[1:27:37] Has a plan.
[1:27:38] >> chair: how would the
[1:27:39] applicant -- how would staff
[1:27:40] require that the applicant
[1:27:53] require that U.F. Have a plan?
[1:27:54] >> MR. Chair, I can think of
[1:27:55] ways that the board can enforce
[1:27:58] that kind of request.
[1:28:00] So you could choose to not
[1:28:02] approve this application with
[1:28:05] that as a reasoning.
[1:28:07] I'm not suggesting that as
[1:28:09] staff, but you're asking me a
[1:28:09] hypothetical.
[1:28:11] So I'm going to try and provide
[1:28:11] that.
[1:28:14] What we typically say is that
[1:28:17] where you have an application
[1:28:20] for a particular piece of
[1:28:20] property, you can't use the
[1:28:23] setting of another property as a
[1:28:25] reasoning for denying it.
[1:28:27] Where you have like a cell tower
[1:28:29] maybe and someone says why don't
[1:28:30] you put it on that piece of
[1:28:31] property, that's not the subject
[1:28:32] of the application.
[1:28:34] So if you have a reason to deny
[1:28:36] an application, that's in front
[1:28:38] of you, you could do that and
[1:28:40] you can state your reasoning for
[1:28:40] it.
[1:28:42] So I think I would say that.
[1:28:45] Ultimately, I think in this
[1:28:46] case, that's the way you could
[1:28:47] do it.
[1:28:48] The application that was
[1:28:50] submitted to us is for a
[1:28:54] particular piece of property.
[1:28:55] And enforcing conditions on
[1:28:59] properties that are outside of
[1:29:00] that would be questionable or
[1:29:01] probably at best although the
[1:29:04] board can adopt its own policies
[1:29:05] in the comprehensive plan.
[1:29:06] >> chair: right.
[1:29:08] So we would essentially be
[1:29:10] saying ifas, do your plan.
[1:29:11] Submit it to us or we're not
[1:29:13] going to submit next-door.
[1:29:13] >> no.
[1:29:14] What I was saying is that we
[1:29:16] have a strategic area study.
[1:29:18] And in all the other instances
[1:29:19] where we have strategic area
[1:29:20] studies, we have conservation
[1:29:22] management areas within those
[1:29:22] strategic areas.
[1:29:25] And those are sensitive
[1:29:27] ecological areas that require
[1:29:27] protection.
[1:29:29] It's why we created the
[1:29:30] strategic ecosystems to begin
[1:29:31] with, right.
[1:29:33] So in this instance, it just
[1:29:35] happened that it was the lees
[1:29:37] who have stewarded that land for
[1:29:37] generations.
[1:29:39] They have own it.
[1:29:41] And they owned the entire thing.
[1:29:42] >> chair: I understand your
[1:29:42] point.
[1:29:44] My point, because it is --
[1:29:45] >> let me finish, please.
[1:29:46] >> chair: well, but it's my --
[1:29:48] it's actually my point is that
[1:29:49] if we were to do that, the time
[1:29:52] to do that was when U.F. Was
[1:29:54] standing there asking us
[1:29:54] something.
[1:29:55] That was the time to do that.
[1:29:58] If this was your issue, U.F. Is
[1:29:58] standing right there.
[1:30:00] They are asking for a golf
[1:30:00] course.
[1:30:02] They are asking for an approval.
[1:30:04] And if that was your issue, that
[1:30:06] was the time to bring it up.
[1:30:08] That was never -- this is the
[1:30:10] first time I'm hearing this is
[1:30:11] your position.
[1:30:12] And U.F. Isn't here.
[1:30:14] Like they are literally not
[1:30:14] here.
[1:30:15] And to ask this applicant to
[1:30:18] bring U.F. Here or to require
[1:30:21] U.F. To do that seems a month
[1:30:21] late.
[1:30:22] Two months late.
[1:30:23] >> well, okay, fine.
[1:30:26] But it's still my position.
[1:30:26] >> chair: okay, that's fine.
[1:30:27] >> the applicant who is
[1:30:29] ultimately the landowner who is
[1:30:32] the lees, like they agreed to
[1:30:33] the strategic area study.
[1:30:36] And that included the protection
[1:30:38] of the entire cma within that
[1:30:40] strategic area.
[1:30:42] And they have a responsibility
[1:30:43] to uphold that protection.
[1:30:44] >> chair: understood.
[1:30:44] I hear your point.
[1:30:45] >> that's what I'm saying.
[1:30:46] >> chair: and I think for the
[1:30:49] land that they own, they are
[1:30:50] certainly upholding that.
[1:30:51] But what you're talking about is
[1:30:54] land that they no longer own.
[1:30:55] And I hear your point.
[1:30:57] And I understand your point.
[1:30:58] >> they keep telling us -- they
[1:31:00] told us in that meeting with
[1:31:02] u.F -- they told us that it was
[1:31:02] being protected.
[1:31:05] When they came, they told us it
[1:31:06] was being protected.
[1:31:07] When the same came, they told us
[1:31:09] it was being protected.
[1:31:10] And they keep promising up that
[1:31:11] ifas is protecting it.
[1:31:13] If all those things are true,
[1:31:14] then it should be no problem for
[1:31:16] them to provide us the contract,
[1:31:18] the sale agreement that includes
[1:31:21] what they are doing to protect
[1:31:22] it.
[1:31:23] The management plans or
[1:31:24] restoration plans that ifas is
[1:31:26] developing to protect that land.
[1:31:28] Like if what they keep telling
[1:31:29] us, ifas and U.F. Did stand up
[1:31:30] there.
[1:31:31] I did ask that question and they
[1:31:33] told us that they had plans to
[1:31:34] restore and protect it.
[1:31:35] >> chair: and I believe them.
[1:31:36] I believe ifas.
[1:31:38] >> where are those?
[1:31:39] Show us.
[1:31:40] >> chair: I love that question.
[1:31:42] I just think that question is
[1:31:43] being asked of the wrong people.
[1:31:44] I love the question.
[1:31:45] >> it's the landowner.
[1:31:47] It's the landowner, they chose
[1:31:48] to sell that property.
[1:31:50] Show me they protected that
[1:31:51] conservation management area.
[1:31:52] >> chair: we'll see if we can
[1:31:54] address that issue I think right
[1:31:54] now.
[1:31:56] I think now it's time for the
[1:31:57] applicant to present.
[1:31:58] After the applicant presents,
[1:32:01] then we'll ask their questions
[1:32:02] the board.
[1:32:04] We'll ask the board for a motion
[1:32:05] or not.
[1:32:06] And then we'll have a discussion
[1:32:08] and then we'll open it up to the
[1:32:09] public who is here that wants to
[1:32:11] speak to the motion.
[1:32:11] Okay.
[1:32:11] Welcome.
[1:32:12] >> great, thank you.
[1:32:14] Good evening, commissioners, for
[1:32:16] the record lindsey hagua.
[1:32:19] I'm a community planner with
[1:32:23] england, timms and miller, old
[1:32:24] st. Augustine road.
[1:32:25] This has been healthy debate
[1:32:26] just to get to our presentation.
[1:32:28] With our team, we will try to
[1:32:29] hit on some of the questions
[1:32:30] that you have raised and that
[1:32:31] staff has addressed as well just
[1:32:34] to help move through our
[1:32:34] presentation.
[1:32:35] Here is your full team.
[1:32:36] Most of us you know.
[1:32:38] We have been in front of your
[1:32:39] commission before.
[1:32:40] You have worked with us
[1:32:40] individually.
[1:32:42] We have worked with your staff
[1:32:46] over these last year and years
[1:32:47] we are all here.
[1:32:49] Some of us will present to you
[1:32:50] at different slides in the
[1:32:50] presentation, but we are all
[1:32:53] here to answer and pull up
[1:32:54] anybody during some questions or
[1:33:07] after public comment.
[1:33:08] We have gone through this
[1:33:10] process and different changes in
[1:33:11] land ownership, the mixture of
[1:33:12] where we've been.
[1:33:13] Different actions.
[1:33:14] And then with us when we got
[1:33:16] involved for everlee farms in
[1:33:18] 2026, a ton of engagement as a
[1:33:20] community planner, let's invite
[1:33:20] people over.
[1:33:22] And I wanted to give thanks to
[1:33:28] principal bell over at
[1:33:29] terwilliger and made it a
[1:33:30] convenient location for us to
[1:33:32] meet to kind of have that school
[1:33:34] engagement and go and learn from
[1:33:35] our neighbors what are some of
[1:33:36] their concerns, what are the
[1:33:38] things that they appreciate
[1:33:40] about their areas, how do we
[1:33:41] reflect those character areas
[1:33:43] and how we can give them more
[1:33:43] information.
[1:33:45] So some of that resulted in
[1:33:47] policy changes that's before you
[1:33:48] for transmittal tonight.
[1:33:50] And some of that found a home in
[1:33:52] our planned development rezoning
[1:33:53] and these commitments that our
[1:33:55] team has offered.
[1:33:56] the highlighted box here today
[1:33:58] is where we are at for
[1:33:58] transmittal.
[1:34:00] Do we have enough information to
[1:34:01] give this out for state and
[1:34:02] regional review?
[1:34:03] Continue to work with the
[1:34:04] community and staff on your pd
[1:34:06] and then come back before you
[1:34:08] with that whole bundle of
[1:34:09] entitlements that gives us this
[1:34:12] plan that we want to see here
[1:34:13] for everlee farms.
[1:34:15] This map helped frame out some
[1:34:16] of the discussion and just
[1:34:18] remind us of all the things that
[1:34:19] MAY get lost in the details or
[1:34:21] the policies.
[1:34:22] So on the left hand of the
[1:34:23] screen, trying to just frame out
[1:34:25] for us the 4,000 acres that we
[1:34:26] know.
[1:34:28] During your special area study
[1:34:30] process, we had different
[1:34:30] scenarios.
[1:34:31] Your regulations tell us, give
[1:34:34] us a built scenario,
[1:34:35] conservation scenario.
[1:34:36] Here the scenario we have in
[1:34:37] front of us is a third iteration
[1:34:39] of it and how we achieve.
[1:34:40] And really when we think through
[1:34:42] it of how we are clustered or
[1:34:44] honed in development to what's
[1:34:47] represented as this 997 acres
[1:34:49] that has gotten through the
[1:34:50] transfer development rights over
[1:34:51] into that.
[1:34:52] So additional conservation lands
[1:34:53] will be had beyond what you see
[1:34:57] here in your special area study.
[1:34:59] I'd like to invite up austin
[1:35:01] because he's one of our members
[1:35:03] to discuss what is the project
[1:35:03] vision.
[1:35:05] He'll then walk it over to
[1:35:06] victor dover.
[1:35:07] I'll come back again and give
[1:35:09] you a little bit of preview and
[1:35:10] then we'll clean up withdrew
[1:35:13] holly and our engineers to
[1:35:14] answer those public
[1:35:15] infrastructure issues and go
[1:35:16] into rebuttal.
[1:35:16] Thank you.
[1:35:17] >> chair: austin, welcome.
[1:35:19] >> good evening.
[1:35:20] I'm humbled to be here,
[1:35:22] appreciate you guys bearing with
[1:35:24] us through this.
[1:35:26] I am austin roberts, PRESIDENT
[1:35:28] Of the roberts companies,
[1:35:30] landowner and applicant.
[1:35:33] I'm a 7th generation north
[1:35:33] floridian.
[1:35:34] My
[1:35:35] my family live here in alachua
[1:35:38] county and my kids go to school
[1:35:40] right around the corner of this
[1:35:40] property.
[1:35:43] It has become near and dear to
[1:35:43] our hearts.
[1:35:45] >> we're probably distantly
[1:35:45] related.
[1:35:45] >> yes.
[1:35:47] Well, you wouldn't be the only
[1:35:50] one, I sure you.
[1:35:51] [Laughter]
[1:35:53] Everlee farms represents the
[1:35:55] remaining 996 acres ever a once
[1:35:57] larger over 4,000-acre farm
[1:35:59] owned by the lee family.
[1:36:01] As has been stated here tonight,
[1:36:02] over 26 acres, almost 27 acres
[1:36:04] have already been conveyed and
[1:36:07] under the stewardship of ifas.
[1:36:08] 580 acres were donated to the
[1:36:09] university of florida for their
[1:36:11] new golf course which you all
[1:36:14] voted on a couple of months ago.
[1:36:16] This is the evolution of this
[1:36:17] process.
[1:36:19] We are here at the finish line
[1:36:23] of what we set forward to do and
[1:36:24] a great plan.
[1:36:25] I think you'll see tonight
[1:36:27] through the experts that I have
[1:36:28] here that we will answer a lot
[1:36:30] of your questions and concerns.
[1:36:31] From the beginning, our goal has
[1:36:32] been to create something
[1:36:33] special, something that
[1:36:34] preserves meaningful agriculture
[1:36:36] and open space, creates a
[1:36:38] walkable connected community.
[1:36:40] My family has a long history of
[1:36:42] being passionately involved in
[1:36:43] agriculture.
[1:36:44] I had the privilege of growing
[1:36:45] up here in north florida.
[1:36:47] I have fond memories as a kid
[1:36:48] walking through the woods many
[1:36:50] times and picking blackberries
[1:36:52] and enjoying the outdoors.
[1:36:53] My intention with this project
[1:36:54] is to bring some of that to the
[1:36:56] people of this community and the
[1:36:58] people that will be able to live
[1:36:58] here.
[1:36:59] To build a special place where
[1:37:02] you can leave your front porch,
[1:37:03] walk miles of trails, experience
[1:37:05] nature and wildlife all along
[1:37:07] the way and to have our kids
[1:37:08] grow up and know where their
[1:37:10] food comes from.
[1:37:11] And to have the opportunity to
[1:37:13] get their hands dirty and have
[1:37:14] the opportunity to do that in
[1:37:16] the community in which they live
[1:37:16] in.
[1:37:18] So I've been blessed to have
[1:37:20] that exposure and that
[1:37:21] opportunity, but bringing it to
[1:37:24] the place where people live is a
[1:37:26] new alternative and really I
[1:37:27] think the path forward for that
[1:37:29] sort of exposure and education,
[1:37:31] that part we're excited about
[1:37:32] and is a primary pillar of what
[1:37:35] set us on this path.
[1:37:37] And, you know, I think that the
[1:37:39] vision for this place is built
[1:37:41] around blending a walkable
[1:37:42] traditional neighborhood with a
[1:37:44] large working farm set within
[1:37:46] over 200 acres of agriculture.
[1:37:47] You'll hear us talk about the
[1:37:48] working farm tonight and we can
[1:37:52] give you a lot more detail on
[1:37:54] the BMPs of the neighborhood
[1:37:55] itself.
[1:37:56] That working farm component, the
[1:37:59] nuance of that being a minimum
[1:38:01] of 20 acres, don't let that take
[1:38:02] away from the fact that we also
[1:38:03] have agreed and set aside
[1:38:04] 200 acres of agriculture and
[1:38:05] open space.
[1:38:07] It could be a variety of uses.
[1:38:08] I know you had some questions on
[1:38:09] that earlier.
[1:38:11] We'll walk you through that.
[1:38:13] I think looking at it from a
[1:38:14] master plan perspective, with
[1:38:17] the long view, was important on
[1:38:19] how we actually introduced these
[1:38:22] ideas and put them into practice
[1:38:24] versus, you know, the
[1:38:28] alternative of dirt dobbing 100
[1:38:32] lot or 200 lot that bring no
[1:38:32] community value.
[1:38:33] You have heard me say this
[1:38:34] before.
[1:38:35] But the opportunity and the
[1:38:36] reason I got passionate is
[1:38:38] because it gave us a chance to
[1:38:41] have a master plan approach to a
[1:38:42] 15, 20-year vision and a
[1:38:42] solution.
[1:38:43] And how that through that
[1:38:44] opportunity, you can bring value
[1:38:46] to the greater community.
[1:38:47] Not only the people that live
[1:38:48] here, but the people who are in
[1:38:51] this community.
[1:38:52] I live here and value the people
[1:38:54] of this community.
[1:38:55] We spent a tremendous amount of
[1:38:57] time engaging with nearby
[1:38:58] residents and the broader
[1:38:58] community.
[1:38:59] Those conversations have helped
[1:39:01] inform this vision.
[1:39:02] We have been able to take some
[1:39:07] of that feedback and, you know,
[1:39:08] effectively make it something
[1:39:10] that we can build and be proud
[1:39:10] of.
[1:39:14] I'll tell you, you know, the
[1:39:15] county requires one public
[1:39:16] workshop.
[1:39:18] We have done five.
[1:39:20] The requirement for notices, we
[1:39:21] doubled.
[1:39:22] If it split a street, we sent it
[1:39:24] to the other side of the street
[1:39:25] just to be careful.
[1:39:25] There is nothing about this
[1:39:27] project that's been a shortcut.
[1:39:29] We have been here for months and
[1:39:31] months and years to get here.
[1:39:32] So you all know that and have
[1:39:33] felt that.
[1:39:35] So bear with us through this
[1:39:36] long presentation.
[1:39:36] Again nothing about this has
[1:39:39] been short.
[1:39:40] You know, we are grateful for
[1:39:42] the opportunity to work closely
[1:39:43] with the county staff.
[1:39:45] I will say I know you guys are
[1:39:47] probably pretty proud of them.
[1:39:48] This is a very sophisticated
[1:39:49] staff.
[1:39:50] Give them their due.
[1:39:52] It has been a joy working with
[1:39:52] them.
[1:39:53] It has not been easy which is a
[1:39:55] good thing for the county, but
[1:39:57] it has been a joy and very
[1:39:57] professional.
[1:39:58] I can tell you, we have been
[1:40:00] very impressed.
[1:40:02] We have worked tirelessly with
[1:40:05] them throughout this project.
[1:40:07] And to build a project that we
[1:40:08] can all be proud of.
[1:40:11] We and you and them and the
[1:40:13] community at large.
[1:40:14] Their questions, requirements,
[1:40:16] guidance and careful review have
[1:40:17] helped us strengthen the
[1:40:19] proposal and bring this vision
[1:40:20] together and what's in front of
[1:40:21] you now and really what will be
[1:40:23] in front of you at the pd.
[1:40:25] So keep in mind obviously we are
[1:40:27] able to walk through that detail
[1:40:27] tonight.
[1:40:28] a lot of that will live in the
[1:40:31] pd and we will be back to you in
[1:40:33] a month or so, two months.
[1:40:35] That's where a lot of that will
[1:40:35] live.
[1:40:36] We are actively working with
[1:40:38] staff now on how we implement
[1:40:40] those practices and procedures
[1:40:43] and BMPs, best management
[1:40:44] practices.
[1:40:45] We have invested significant
[1:40:46] time and resources in studying
[1:40:48] the property and working with
[1:40:51] this experienced planning team
[1:40:52] to balance future housing needs
[1:40:55] with agriculture, environmental
[1:40:56] stewardship and infrastructure
[1:40:57] and quality of life.
[1:40:59] As a community, with the
[1:41:00] approval of this project, we can
[1:41:02] really set the bar and become a
[1:41:04] leader in the region with this
[1:41:05] resilient community that
[1:41:06] integrates both agriculture,
[1:41:09] nature, along with
[1:41:10] with the growing
[1:41:11] need for housing opportunities.
[1:41:14] So that our kids, my kids, your
[1:41:15] kids and families can continue
[1:41:17] to afford to live here and work
[1:41:18] here and build businesses here.
[1:41:19] And that is our goal.
[1:41:21] I have three kids and I sure
[1:41:22] hope that we continue to keep up
[1:41:23] with the availability for them
[1:41:26] to afford to be able to stay
[1:41:27] here, you know, live here and
[1:41:30] work here.
[1:41:33] We will address some of the
[1:41:33] outstanding questions you guys
[1:41:36] have, bear with us and a lot of
[1:41:37] our presentation MAY get through
[1:41:38] some of that for you.
[1:41:40] We are obviously happy to answer
[1:41:41] any questions you guys have at
[1:41:42] the end if we have not touched
[1:41:43] on it.
[1:41:45] At this time, I would pass the
[1:41:46] microphone off to victor dover
[1:41:49] with dover cole and partners to
[1:41:50] take the next step.
[1:41:52] >> chair: thank you, austin.
[1:41:53] MR. Dover, welcome.
[1:41:53] >> good evening.
[1:41:55] I actually have the fun part.
[1:41:56] [Laughter]
[1:41:58] I'm victor dover, town planner
[1:41:59] and neighborhood designer.
[1:42:00] Y'all all know design is not
[1:42:02] something to be added on at the
[1:42:03] end after all the big decisions
[1:42:04] are already made.
[1:42:06] It's something that has to be
[1:42:06] there from the beginning.
[1:42:09] It's been a pleasure to work on
[1:42:09] this.
[1:42:12] There are four fundamentals that
[1:42:14] the lees and austin roberts and
[1:42:17] ryan frankel set out for us.
[1:42:17] It's historic.
[1:42:19] And our job has been to test all
[1:42:21] the policies that you are
[1:42:23] considering transmitting tonight
[1:42:26] against real-world streets and
[1:42:29] blocks and building footprints
[1:42:33] and the way the farm would work.
[1:42:33] Like.
[1:42:35] Although we will get in much
[1:42:36] more of that detail when we come
[1:42:37] back with a pd.
[1:42:44] I'll give you a preview of that
[1:42:44] tonight.
[1:42:46] Just quickly, nature, that's
[1:42:47] reminding us of the idea that
[1:42:48] you have heard a lot about
[1:42:50] tonight about how thousands of
[1:42:52] acres have already been placed
[1:42:55] under conservation stewardship.
[1:42:56] And we like the idea that green
[1:42:58] florida will be at your
[1:42:59] doorstep, this place.
[1:43:03] So in the neighborhood design
[1:43:04] job, it is part of our
[1:43:06] application to design the
[1:43:06] doorstep.
[1:43:07] To design that connection.
[1:43:10] And not to just have the big
[1:43:11] protected green florida nature
[1:43:13] be something across a road, but
[1:43:15] have it be something that can
[1:43:19] come into the community and come
[1:43:20] and weave and integrate with the
[1:43:22] design of the neighborhoods.
[1:43:24] And so I will show you some maps
[1:43:29] to get across that idea.
[1:43:30] Legacy is about taking the long
[1:43:32] view in both senses of the word.
[1:43:34] Designing since we have a big
[1:43:36] canvas and phenomenal for
[1:43:38] preserving long views across
[1:43:39] open space, that's the obvious
[1:43:40] one.
[1:43:42] Obviously, the long view across
[1:43:44] the horizon in terms of
[1:43:45] stewardship and the business
[1:43:55] plan, the very definition of
[1:43:55] sustainable.
[1:43:58] You will hear from justin myers
[1:44:01] and just the idea that you go
[1:44:02] with your neighbors and get
[1:44:04] ahold of what's in season and
[1:44:11] your children would have that
[1:44:17] awareness that austin indicated.
[1:44:19] On one hand, it means freedom
[1:44:22] and connection because the
[1:44:23] walkable community will be set
[1:44:25] up so that you have lots of
[1:44:26] choices about how to move about
[1:44:28] and go from here to there,
[1:44:29] including walking, biking,
[1:44:31] transit, making short trips even
[1:44:32] if you drive.
[1:44:34] It's also about something else
[1:44:36] which is lining those paths,
[1:44:39] those sidewalks and those trails
[1:44:40] with front porch culture, so you
[1:44:41] can get to know your neighbors
[1:44:44] and you can have healthier,
[1:44:46] happier families.
[1:44:48] Now, I won't read all this to
[1:44:49] you, but we were making notes to
[1:44:51] ourselves about all the things
[1:44:53] that have been accumulating over
[1:44:57] the last 30 years in county
[1:44:57] policies.
[1:45:00] You have been eding us to this
[1:45:00] point.
[1:45:02] Basically saying bring alachua
[1:45:04] county what it really deserves
[1:45:06] in terms of the neighborhood
[1:45:06] form.
[1:45:08] I think we have an example in
[1:45:09] the making sure.
[1:45:10] I will try to describe to you a
[1:45:12] little bit why we believe that's
[1:45:13] the case.
[1:45:17] First, this word farmstead
[1:45:17] deserves a little bit of
[1:45:18] explanation.
[1:45:20] In some ways the inspiration
[1:45:24] truck austin when he visited new
[1:45:26] field which is a community we
[1:45:27] designed in martin county, also
[1:45:29] known as the first time martin
[1:45:30] county approved anything nearly
[1:45:40] that big in 45 years.
[1:45:42] It's part of the plan into and
[1:45:45] connect with the human habitat,
[1:45:47] the settlement and to put the
[1:45:48] farm at the center of community
[1:45:48] life.
[1:45:51] We didn't have the opportunity
[1:45:53] in new field to design it with
[1:45:54] the farmer in the room.
[1:45:56] But here, we have.
[1:45:59] Justin myers who runs the farm
[1:46:03] at newfield inherited shapes and
[1:46:05] geometries we put on the land
[1:46:07] before he was on the job.
[1:46:09] But here for everlee, we have
[1:46:11] had justin working right beside
[1:46:12] us actually thinking about how
[1:46:15] the farm would operate.
[1:46:16] Just to give you a little bit of
[1:46:18] a window on what the design
[1:46:19] process of this has been like,
[1:46:20] it's been about starting with
[1:46:21] the green parts which I have
[1:46:22] said several times.
[1:46:25] And then thinking about how the
[1:46:26] networks, the green network, the
[1:46:30] network of streets and the
[1:46:34] network of trails and greenways
[1:46:37] and the neighborhoods would go
[1:46:37] together.
[1:46:38] And so that's been kind of going
[1:46:41] through a process of getting
[1:46:42] more and more defined.
[1:46:43] Our job at this point has been
[1:46:45] to test the policies that are in
[1:46:46] front of you to see whether we
[1:46:48] have them right to be able to
[1:46:50] design the ultimate thing that
[1:46:51] austin has described.
[1:46:53] This is the latest plan.
[1:46:55] Of course, this MARCH draft
[1:46:57] because it is subject to lots of
[1:46:58] change.
[1:47:00] But this is illustrating, for
[1:47:03] example, the large lee family
[1:47:06] farmstead at the center of the
[1:47:08] property and then how the
[1:47:10] neighborhoods and hamlets are
[1:47:12] arranged around it.
[1:47:13] And it's quite large and so
[1:47:15] there's a lot of details.
[1:47:16] We are happy to bring these back
[1:47:18] up and talk to any of the
[1:47:20] crucial ones you have questions
[1:47:21] about.
[1:47:22] The fun part is thinking about
[1:47:26] the what if, the vision of this.
[1:47:27] And our favorite part of this is
[1:47:31] the idea that nature at your
[1:47:33] doorstep, you could take that
[1:47:34] walk in the woods that austin
[1:47:35] described and keep going on that
[1:47:37] trail and arrive at your
[1:47:38] friend's house or at the heart
[1:47:41] of the community or back to your
[1:47:42] home.
[1:47:44] And that reweaving of things, so
[1:47:46] that you don't have to have the
[1:47:48] situation found in so many of
[1:47:48] our florida metropolitan areas
[1:47:49] where nature is a thing you
[1:47:52] drive your kids to see instead
[1:47:53] of a thing that they can walk
[1:47:55] out their door and see.
[1:47:56] So that was the first kind of
[1:47:57] big picture what if.
[1:48:00] And just for fun, that
[1:48:01] illustration that I've got on
[1:48:03] the screen is actually a real
[1:48:03] place in the plan.
[1:48:06] It's imagining our extension,
[1:48:07] voluntary extension of the
[1:48:09] conservation management area
[1:48:13] deep into the land and how long
[1:48:15] views will be created as you
[1:48:17] exit one and enter the other
[1:48:18] parts of it.
[1:48:21] The other one of ideas shown in
[1:48:24] one of the images that austin
[1:48:24] showed is housing variety.
[1:48:26] Of course, we will have houses,
[1:48:28] detached houses of various
[1:48:30] sizes, large and small on their
[1:48:33] own lots but attached houses.
[1:48:34] We will have multi-family
[1:48:36] housing and a whole range, the
[1:48:38] whole range of prices and sizes
[1:48:41] to own and to rent, including
[1:48:43] not putting them off into their
[1:48:45] own areas by housing type, but
[1:48:47] mixing them together so the
[1:48:49] attached houses will be on the
[1:48:51] same street facing the front
[1:48:53] porches of the same green
[1:48:54] tree-lined street that their
[1:48:55] neighbors have.
[1:48:57] The farm is similar.
[1:48:59] We see this is not something
[1:49:01] that is walled off or fenced off
[1:49:03] from the community but rather
[1:49:04] something that's across the
[1:49:06] street from people's front
[1:49:07] porches.
[1:49:09] It's really, of course, meant to
[1:49:10] be more than just food.
[1:49:12] It's also a social condenser,
[1:49:14] meant to bring people together.
[1:49:16] We will have a couple of areas
[1:49:19] where we get full-blown next use
[1:49:20] main streets.
[1:49:22] Here's one of those village core
[1:49:23] ideas.
[1:49:25] And this particular case, we're
[1:49:27] looking at a place in the main
[1:49:28] street we already saw and you
[1:49:30] can see in the image, the
[1:49:31] opportunity to bring it north
[1:49:32] from archer road for a few
[1:49:34] blocks and then bend it so that
[1:49:37] your view is focused on
[1:49:37] something important at the end
[1:49:40] of the street in that little
[1:49:42] white arrow you see on the map
[1:49:44] shows the sort of directional
[1:49:45] view of the sketch.
[1:49:46] so you get the idea we do these
[1:49:51] pictures as design because we
[1:49:53] are age to hold them up to
[1:49:54] austin and his team and say is
[1:49:55] this what you meant, is this
[1:49:56] what you intend and compare it
[1:49:57] to other places.
[1:49:59] You'll pick up in this image,
[1:50:00] for example, showing one of the
[1:50:02] neighborhood centers a very
[1:50:06] deliberate attempt to achieve
[1:50:08] something as charming and
[1:50:10] similar in scale to haile
[1:50:12] village center.
[1:50:13] The edges are the most important
[1:50:14] parts.
[1:50:16] And so here's a spot where one
[1:50:19] of the two large farm parcels
[1:50:22] and the orchard and teaching
[1:50:23] forest are adjacent to a
[1:50:25] large-scale area that will be
[1:50:26] preserved.
[1:50:27] Adjacent to some of our
[1:50:28] sensitive neighbors.
[1:50:32] So to put that on a map, from
[1:50:33] the green and protected areas
[1:50:34] that are between their homes and
[1:50:36] the new ones that we build, this
[1:50:38] is the kind of thing you'll be
[1:50:39] able to look across open space
[1:50:42] and see.
[1:50:43] So I've given you an idea of
[1:50:45] kind of what the human habitat
[1:50:46] parts of it are meant to be like
[1:50:48] and what the edges are like.
[1:50:49] I'd like to ask justin myers to
[1:50:51] talk to you about the farm
[1:50:51] itself.
[1:50:53] >> chair: okay.
[1:50:55] MR. Myers, welcome.
[1:50:55] >> good evening.
[1:50:58] My name is justin myers and I
[1:50:59] work with agomennity.
[1:51:01] We design and manage community
[1:51:03] farms and farm amenities.
[1:51:04] One of the questions that often
[1:51:06] arises is what is a community
[1:51:06] farm.
[1:51:08] I think a farm can be a lot of
[1:51:09] different things to different
[1:51:09] people.
[1:51:12] For us, when we think about a
[1:51:14] farmstead community each as
[1:51:16] everlee, it is taking authentic
[1:51:17] agriculture and integrating into
[1:51:18] the holistic design of the
[1:51:19] neighborhood and community.
[1:51:22] That's a lot of what victor just
[1:51:22] shared with you.
[1:51:24] How do you use the farm as this
[1:51:26] dynamic resource that both for
[1:51:27] the residents who live there,
[1:51:30] but also the broader public can
[1:51:31] participate and engage and
[1:51:34] really get this resource that
[1:51:35] can really approve their
[1:51:37] day-to-day quality of life.
[1:51:38] So on a simple level, that's
[1:51:41] kind of like how we view this
[1:51:42] farm can kind of benefit and
[1:51:44] kind of be woven in.
[1:51:46] And so during this talk, I'll
[1:51:47] just kind of really state at
[1:51:48] pretty high level.
[1:51:51] Some of y'all's questions I'll
[1:51:52] slightly address and then happy
[1:51:54] to chat more in-depth as well
[1:51:55] afterwards.
[1:51:56] Because there is -- I think the
[1:51:57] farm is probably not like the
[1:52:00] mystery box, but it can go in a
[1:52:01] lot of different directions so
[1:52:02] we want to kind of paint what
[1:52:04] that picture is, as genuine and
[1:52:05] authentically as possible.
[1:52:08] So for everlee, 20-acre working
[1:52:08] farm.
[1:52:11] Really with the goal of growing
[1:52:12] year-round diversified
[1:52:13] vegetables, fruits and flowers,
[1:52:15] potentially some like pasture
[1:52:17] poultry or other livestock.
[1:52:19] I think how you like choose to
[1:52:21] integrate that into the land,
[1:52:22] there's a lot of possibilities
[1:52:24] around that.
[1:52:25] All utilizing sustainable and
[1:52:27] organic practices, as well as
[1:52:28] like that best management
[1:52:30] practices for like ecosystem and
[1:52:31] community health.
[1:52:33] I think oftentimes when you are
[1:52:35] growing right in front of your
[1:52:36] neighbors and we have farms in
[1:52:38] both texas and florida and
[1:52:40] there's literally -- one of our
[1:52:42] projects in texas is a front
[1:52:44] forge like 30 feet from where
[1:52:46] the farm starts.
[1:52:49] At newfield that victor shared,
[1:52:50] they are right across the way
[1:52:52] and watching what is happening.
[1:52:53] It's literally like their front
[1:52:54] yard.
[1:52:55] What we are utilizing in terms
[1:52:57] of growing practices or from
[1:52:58] soil amendments or potentially
[1:53:00] pest control, it's not only to
[1:53:02] grow really healthy food, but
[1:53:03] it's also like part of that
[1:53:04] person's daily life.
[1:53:05] So there's a lot of intention
[1:53:08] and care that goes into that.
[1:53:12] And then from the kind of
[1:53:13] like -- I think when you get
[1:53:14] into the farm, like the growing
[1:53:15] of the food and like the
[1:53:16] agricultural side is really like
[1:53:18] the heart and the driver and
[1:53:19] that's kind of like speaks to
[1:53:20] that authenticity and then
[1:53:22] layered on top of that is the
[1:53:23] community programming and
[1:53:24] community engagement piece.
[1:53:26] But the food is a core part.
[1:53:28] So that food access of how
[1:53:29] people get connected to food,
[1:53:31] whether that's through a csa
[1:53:33] which is essentially like a
[1:53:34] weekly membership program, like
[1:53:37] a veggie share, farm box, like a
[1:53:38] farm stand, farm store, that
[1:53:41] would be not only for the
[1:53:42] everlee farm products but also
[1:53:43] from potentially other local
[1:53:46] farms and local food purveyors,
[1:53:48] like being able to sell their
[1:53:50] goods that we're not producing
[1:53:50] on site.
[1:53:52] Which then expands the offerings
[1:53:54] for both residents as well as
[1:53:55] the general public around there,
[1:53:57] being able to find local food
[1:53:59] that's supporting alachua
[1:54:00] county, supporting gainesville
[1:54:02] and also supporting the small
[1:54:05] businesses of farmers and food
[1:54:05] purveyors.
[1:54:08] And then from that, the reality
[1:54:10] with farms there are many people
[1:54:12] excited about local food and
[1:54:13] literally people come up to us
[1:54:14] and say I bought a house here
[1:54:15] because of the farm and they
[1:54:18] sign up for the csa, they join
[1:54:19] the farm club.
[1:54:21] But there's also folks who, you
[1:54:21] know --
[1:54:22] >> chair: what's a csa?
[1:54:24] >> it stands for community
[1:54:25] supported agriculture.
[1:54:29] And it's basically -- oftentimes
[1:54:30] you'll hear it now described as
[1:54:32] like a farm share or veggie box
[1:54:34] or harvest box and it can be a
[1:54:38] weekly or biweekly.
[1:54:40] Where you are essentially
[1:54:41] getting four to eight items from
[1:54:42] the farm each week.
[1:54:44] Sometimes it can include other
[1:54:44] products as well.
[1:54:46] >> chair: yeah.
[1:54:46] >> yeah.
[1:54:47] But there's other people who are
[1:54:49] less interested in like the
[1:54:50] vegetable side.
[1:54:51] But that farm can really still
[1:54:53] be a resource for their life.
[1:54:55] And that's everything from a
[1:54:56] beautiful green space that they
[1:54:58] are walking by in the morning or
[1:55:01] they are taking and going on a
[1:55:02] run, as well as kind of like
[1:55:04] that connection to nature that
[1:55:06] victor had mentioned.
[1:55:07] Through education, doing like
[1:55:09] targeted classes and workshops,
[1:55:12] as well as like farm tours and
[1:55:14] volunteer programs, spring break
[1:55:16] day camp for kids, there's like
[1:55:17] a full range of education that
[1:55:18] can be woven in.
[1:55:20] And then just that social hub,
[1:55:21] that social connection.
[1:55:24] I mean I think when we think
[1:55:25] historically, food is part of
[1:55:26] culture and brings people
[1:55:27] together.
[1:55:28] When you have a beautiful green
[1:55:30] space at the farm, having
[1:55:33] whether a pizza night or
[1:55:35] farm-to-table dinner or a movie
[1:55:37] night, some of our farms, really
[1:55:39] the farm is used as the space
[1:55:41] and not necessary about a
[1:55:43] farm-specific program but a farm
[1:55:45] as a beautiful space to exist
[1:55:45] in.
[1:55:47] I think when you layer on like
[1:55:49] the true like agricultural
[1:55:50] prduction and the food
[1:55:51] production that's happening,
[1:55:53] intoxication in addition
[1:55:55] -- in addition to
[1:55:56] this beautiful community
[1:55:57] oriented space to bring people
[1:55:59] together, a dynamic opportunity
[1:56:00] to bring people together.
[1:56:02] For everlee, it's both as a
[1:56:03] benefit to the residents who
[1:56:05] live there and the broader
[1:56:06] public is invited into that.
[1:56:09] Lastly as we go more broad, you
[1:56:10] know, gainesville and alachua
[1:56:13] county has a really great
[1:56:13] agricultural network already.
[1:56:15] So I think we really see everlee
[1:56:17] as being like a node in the
[1:56:18] local food system.
[1:56:19] And how can we support and be
[1:56:20] part of that?
[1:56:21] Whether through working with
[1:56:24] local nonprofits, other local
[1:56:26] farms, U.F. Ifas.
[1:56:28] I think there's a lot of
[1:56:30] opportunities of how everlee can
[1:56:31] help strengthen that resiliency
[1:56:33] and expand the surface area of
[1:56:35] what the local food is here.
[1:56:37] That's just kind of like a
[1:56:39] high-level snapshot.
[1:56:40] Happy to answer more questions
[1:56:40] as well.
[1:56:42] Lindsay is going to chat a
[1:56:43] little bit more and then we can
[1:56:44] chat again.
[1:56:45] >> chair: okay, thank you,
[1:56:45] justin.
[1:56:49] >> thanks, justin.
[1:56:49] Okay.
[1:56:51] I'm going to walk you through a
[1:56:53] couple of slides that really
[1:56:55] fall into the pd preview element
[1:56:57] and begin with kind of summary
[1:56:59] of all of our community
[1:56:59] meetings.
[1:57:02] This follows that consumer
[1:57:04] reports style of capturing what
[1:57:05] did the community share with us
[1:57:07] as their important aspects.
[1:57:09] And then what did we do about
[1:57:09] that.
[1:57:11] And so some of them are, hey, we
[1:57:13] want land use and character to
[1:57:16] be reduced densities along the
[1:57:16] edges.
[1:57:17] You'll see that both in the
[1:57:20] density assignment for our
[1:57:21] farmstead character area as well
[1:57:23] as when the pd rezoning is
[1:57:25] presented to you, lot sizes
[1:57:26] around and perimeter buffering
[1:57:28] so they can maintain the
[1:57:29] character and familiarity that
[1:57:31] they are used to seeing on our
[1:57:32] adjacent neighbors.
[1:57:34] Some of it was more trails,
[1:57:35] making sure that they have
[1:57:37] connections both to outside
[1:57:41] along parker, out to archer, but
[1:57:45] also to lagonno and up to the
[1:57:46] golf property.
[1:57:48] Right now tracking on 16 miles
[1:57:49] of trail with internal and
[1:57:51] external connections.
[1:57:52] We'll see that again in our pd.
[1:57:54] Some of this is about preserving
[1:57:57] the east-west connections on how
[1:57:59] they see and utilize southwest
[1:58:00] 73rd and want to have that
[1:58:01] connection and then how they do
[1:58:03] not want connection through
[1:58:04] vehicular traffic into haile.
[1:58:06] We heard that loud and clear
[1:58:08] coming out of our resolution at
[1:58:09] the special area study.
[1:58:10] And then following on justin's
[1:58:11] line, inviting the neighbors to
[1:58:13] be part of the working farm.
[1:58:17] Part of that was this wasn't an
[1:58:20] exclusive amenity or farm only
[1:58:22] to the residents of everlee but
[1:58:23] really community engagement.
[1:58:24] Folks are welcome to come and
[1:58:26] visit and see and be a part of
[1:58:26] that.
[1:58:30] Some elements, this plan is a
[1:58:31] glamorized version if you will
[1:58:32] of what will be the zoning
[1:58:33] master plan that will come
[1:58:34] before you and really want to
[1:58:37] hit home what our character
[1:58:38] areas are as far as clustering
[1:58:39] development within the project
[1:58:41] area and following some of the
[1:58:42] guidelines that you have within
[1:58:45] your policies already as far as
[1:58:46] transitioning from the area to
[1:58:49] the east, over moving to the
[1:58:50] west to parker.
[1:58:51] Some of the areas you see
[1:58:52] highlighted are very specific
[1:58:54] elements that the community
[1:58:56] provided for us as areas they
[1:58:58] want to see and commitments that
[1:58:58] we have agreed to.
[1:59:00] We have met with the carrollton
[1:59:02] folks there and they want to see
[1:59:04] this expanded buffer that's more
[1:59:05] manicured that they can see as
[1:59:07] they exit out of their
[1:59:08] neighborhood and enter.
[1:59:10] And expanding and not averaging,
[1:59:13] but having a 100-foot buffer
[1:59:13] undisturbed in that area around
[1:59:15] that nook into the southern
[1:59:15] area.
[1:59:16] Again, this is like character
[1:59:21] maintenance, mitigation of
[1:59:25] things that would be new and
[1:59:26] seeing areas for clearing that
[1:59:28] you would see within our pd
[1:59:31] rezoning application.
[1:59:32] These are best practices that
[1:59:33] either are a policy that's
[1:59:34] before you tonight to transmit
[1:59:37] out or will be part of our best
[1:59:38] management plans that are
[1:59:39] attached to our pd.
[1:59:40] And they generally hit on things
[1:59:43] that are already given to us,
[1:59:44] that recipe out of the special
[1:59:46] area study resolution.
[1:59:47] We have talked about open space,
[1:59:49] how that's provided on site and
[1:59:52] then off-site to gain our
[1:59:54] density, our water resources.
[1:59:56] You walk through with staff what
[1:59:57] we will see covering all those
[1:59:58] elements.
[2:00:01] And then affordability as far as
[2:00:02] meeting in some of that policy
[2:00:04] through transfer of development
[2:00:05] rights and provision of
[2:00:06] affordability and a mixture of
[2:00:07] units that we see on our
[2:00:08] project.
[2:00:10] Again, we're here for policies,
[2:00:12] transmit out for state and
[2:00:13] regional review.
[2:00:14] A lot of our questions are of
[2:00:16] interest and our pd and just a
[2:00:18] sneak peek and preview into that
[2:00:19] I think helps round out the
[2:00:21] policies that are
[2:00:22] I would like to invite up
[2:00:23] drew.
[2:00:23] Heel complete our presentation
[2:00:25] for you and then we can go into
[2:00:26] public comment or any comments
[2:00:28] you MAY have, and we thank you
[2:00:29] for your time.
[2:00:29] >> thank you.
[2:00:30] Thank you, lindsey.
[2:00:32] All right, drew.
[2:00:34] >> thank you, lindsey.
[2:00:37] Commissioners, drew holly,
[2:00:38] england, tims, and miller.
[2:00:39] Just want to say staff did such
[2:00:40] a wonderful job this evening.
[2:00:42] they stole a lot of my thunder,
[2:00:46] so I will make it as brief as I
[2:00:48] possibly can.
[2:00:51] Thank you all for having us here
[2:00:51] this evening.
[2:00:53] I wanted to hit on some of the
[2:00:54] key tenants on the comp plan
[2:00:56] before you this evening.
[2:00:57] And really given you some
[2:00:58] numbers associated with some of
[2:01:05] the benefits that we see.
[2:01:06] So looking at the transportation
[2:01:08] and mobility fees we're looking
[2:01:09] and estimating $20 million in
[2:01:10] mobility fees to be paid over
[2:01:12] time base on current rates and
[2:01:12] based on the development
[2:01:13] program.
[2:01:14] And those mobility fees of
[2:01:17] course as you know are used for
[2:01:19] a number of things but moat leas
[2:01:20] within the -- mostly within the
[2:01:22] mobility district to improve
[2:01:23] roadway segments and level of
[2:01:23] service.
[2:01:25] Chris hit earlier on utilities.
[2:01:29] We do have capacity as evidenced
[2:01:30] by gru's letter to us.
[2:01:33] We've talked a lot about our
[2:01:34] irrigation policies and water
[2:01:35] use.
[2:01:41] We see that as a core tenant of
[2:01:42] this proposal in front ofia
[2:01:43] of
[2:01:44] you this evening.
[2:01:48] We have had conversations with
[2:01:49] the fire chief about doimation
[2:01:51] of a proposed fire site.
[2:01:54] We have looked and as evidenced
[2:01:54] bide
[2:01:57] by chris' presentation
[2:01:58] earlier there is currently
[2:02:01] school capacity and we estimate
[2:02:03] $7 million average in ad valorem
[2:02:03] school taxes.
[2:02:05] Lindsey mentioned earlier the
[2:02:06] miles and miles of improved and
[2:02:08] unimproved trails to serve both
[2:02:09] residents and neighbors alike.
[2:02:11] And really the innovative tdr
[2:02:13] and affordability matrix that we
[2:02:15] worked very hard and diligently
[2:02:19] with staff to address two key
[2:02:20] components of the county's
[2:02:24] goals.
[2:02:26] So lindsey kind of gave the
[2:02:27] precursor to this timeline which
[2:02:28] was the lead up to where we are
[2:02:30] this evening, and I wanted to
[2:02:31] kind of finish the timeline at
[2:02:36] least to the next couple of
[2:02:37] years.
[2:02:38] So we stand here before you
[2:02:40] tonight asking for transmitting
[2:02:42] to the state and ultimately look
[2:02:43] to be before you in OCTOBER for
[2:02:44] an adoption hearing.
[2:02:45] But during the next several
[2:02:46] years, there is still a long
[2:02:47] road to hoe as we move forward
[2:02:54] with this project to finalize
[2:02:55] preliminary development plans,
[2:02:57] engineering and permitting,
[2:02:58] geophysical testing we talked
[2:02:59] about, all to make sure we get
[2:03:00] the plan right, and that
[2:03:03] ultimately culminates in final
[2:03:04] development plan, permit
[2:03:07] approvals, and construction.
[2:03:09] We see, you know, homes going up
[2:03:10] and families moving in, really
[2:03:16] in the next three years or so.
[2:03:18] As a part of that obviously
[2:03:19] there is a component there that
[2:03:21] I talked ability about earlier
[2:03:21] with the impact and mobility
[2:03:23] fees paid at certificate of
[2:03:24] occupancy to make sure that the
[2:03:26] infrastructure that's needed to
[2:03:29] support these homes and families
[2:03:30] is paid for and in place to be
[2:03:34] able to support the proposed
[2:03:36] development.
[2:03:38] So one of the things we heard at
[2:03:39] plan commission and we wanted to
[2:03:40] address head on waw this
[2:03:43] transportation component.
[2:03:44] So I have many of my colleagues
[2:03:45] here tonight who are much more
[2:03:50] well versed in transportation
[2:03:51] than I am but I will take the
[2:03:51] first crack at it.
[2:03:53] So our current analysis looked
[2:03:57] at an internal capture rate of
[2:03:59] only about 10%.
[2:03:59] When compared to the region and
[2:04:02] areas like the town of tioga and
[2:04:03] haile plantation we believe that
[2:04:04] MAY be a bit understated.
[2:04:06] We see internal capture of
[2:04:08] greater than 30% in those
[2:04:12] areas.
[2:04:13] Based on the development plan
[2:04:14] that we have, the mix of uses
[2:04:15] and the attractiveness of the
[2:04:16] nonresidential elements we feel
[2:04:20] certain that we are going to
[2:04:22] create that internal capture
[2:04:23] which keeps traffic volumes off
[2:04:25] of local adjacent roadways and
[2:04:26] inside of the development as
[2:04:28] much as possible.
[2:04:30] We talked earlier this evening
[2:04:34] about a phasing threshold.
[2:04:36] Limiting development to 50%
[2:04:40] until the state road widening is
[2:04:41] in the work plan.
[2:04:41] We also talked about the
[2:04:45] creation of an everlee specific
[2:04:46] mobility district, and that
[2:04:46] mobility district would be to
[2:04:48] use to fund transit element
[2:04:56] within the district including
[2:04:58] circulator, a potential park and
[2:04:59] ride side, bus stops, all of
[2:05:01] those elements to be really
[2:05:02] figured out in the future as we
[2:05:08] work with staff.
[2:05:09] I wanted to hit on something we
[2:05:10] heard from you all this evening
[2:05:11] and
[2:05:18] evening and also from staff,
[2:05:19] the slides that up are next is a
[2:05:21] preview of what's to come with
[2:05:23] the pd but wanted to address
[2:05:24] them here as well.
[2:05:25] We are certainly focused on
[2:05:28] nutrient management, and water
[2:05:28] quality.
[2:05:30] Our water resources in florida
[2:05:32] are of significant importance to
[2:05:41] all of us that that starts on
[2:05:42] the improvement side when we
[2:05:44] talk about water quality that's
[2:05:44] limiting nutrients.
[2:05:45] Well we have had discussion
[2:05:46] tonight with mary and other
[2:05:46] -
[2:05:48] members of staff who have talked
[2:05:50] about our commitment to no
[2:05:52] fertilizer on any of the
[2:05:53] residential lots.
[2:05:56] We've committed to a water
[2:05:57] policy round an irrigation
[2:05:57] budget.
[2:05:59] We've committed to using the
[2:06:00] lowest quality source of water
[2:06:06] available to us and reuse
[2:06:06] water.
[2:06:07] We've committed to lot of
[2:06:09] different things that are above
[2:06:09] and beyond.
[2:06:11] We've committed to the areas we
[2:06:11] can actually irrigate within the
[2:06:12] project.
[2:06:14] So that's where it starts.
[2:06:15] We talked a lot about limiting
[2:06:18] the level of disturbance on the
[2:06:18] site.
[2:06:21] This is just an -- graphical
[2:06:22] example of some lots potentially
[2:06:25] backing up to the cma, and our
[2:06:28] desire obviously to maintain
[2:06:31] existing vegetation to not clear
[2:06:32] trees where it's not necessary.
[2:06:34] And to make sure that we
[2:06:35] preserve the character and the
[2:06:37] community that makes this place
[2:06:41] special as it is today.
[2:06:42] I want to talk a little bit
[2:06:45] about our landscape best
[2:06:46] management plan, again you heard
[2:06:49] from staff this evening that
[2:06:51] this plan really goes above and
[2:06:52] beyond and you will see this
[2:06:54] again in the pd, but really
[2:06:56] using florida friendly, florida
[2:06:59] native plants, setting an
[2:07:00] irrigation budget, making sure
[2:07:02] that we limit the amount of turf
[2:07:04] grass which we know is a
[2:07:06] constant driver of water use,
[2:07:08] creating an irrigation utility
[2:07:10] that will limit the amount of
[2:07:11] irrigation that individual
[2:07:13] residents are able to apply on
[2:07:14] the landscape.
[2:07:16] And so on and so forth.
[2:07:17] This is something that we
[2:07:19] believe strongly in, are really
[2:07:21] committed to seeing this through
[2:07:22] throughout in the enforcement of
[2:07:31] this through the b mp process.
[2:07:35] You know, I've had the pleasure
[2:07:36] of working with austin and the
[2:07:38] team behind me this evening, and
[2:07:40] it is not lost on me that this
[2:07:43] is a generational land.
[2:07:45] And with generational land comes
[2:07:47] very unique responsibilities.
[2:07:49] This team behind you has one
[2:07:51] opportunity to get it right, and
[2:07:53] through working with staff, I
[2:07:56] believe we have gotten it to a
[2:07:57] point where we are getting it
[2:07:57] right.
[2:08:00] So with that in mind, I would
[2:08:02] kindly ask you all to consider
[2:08:03] transmitting this to the state,
[2:08:05] and would be happy to take any
[2:08:07] further questions.
[2:08:07] >> okay.
[2:08:08] Commissioners, any questions for
[2:08:12] the applicant?
[2:08:13] Commissioner prizzia, then
[2:08:15] commissioner alford.
[2:08:16] >> yeah, I guess a
[2:08:18] quickly, how
[2:08:19] do you anticipate the phasing of
[2:08:21] the affordable housing going?
[2:08:22] We currently don't have the
[2:08:24] requirement, you know, for in
[2:08:27] this anywhere of policy around
[2:08:27] the affordable housing being at
[2:08:28] the front end of the
[2:08:30] development, but I do think, you
[2:08:31] know, it's one of those things
[2:08:32] that if it gets left to the end
[2:08:35] it MAY never happen, if certain
[2:08:36] phases don't go through or we
[2:08:38] see it's 30 years or 40 years
[2:08:40] before they happen so can you
[2:08:42] just talk more for the community
[2:08:42] to understand what you think of
[2:08:44] in terms of how that affordable
[2:08:44] -
[2:08:45] housing will --
[2:08:46] >> sure, yeah, we're working
[2:08:47] with staff currently and I think
[2:08:48] a lot of that will be in the pd
[2:08:48] and the development agreement
[2:08:49] that we're working in now.
[2:08:51] So I think you'll see, you know,
[2:08:53] sorry to continue --
[2:08:54] >> no, that's fine.
[2:08:55] >> but you know that is a part
[2:08:56] of the process that we are in
[2:08:59] now, and so our intent with that
[2:09:01] is that that is not a, an after
[2:09:02] thought or to come at the end
[2:09:04] hat it's integrating
[2:09:04] throughout.
[2:09:06] I will tell you I don't think
[2:09:06] it's economical to say that
[2:09:08] there is some sort of one for
[2:09:10] one or some sort of specific you
[2:09:12] know ratio but I do think
[2:09:13] that'll be integrated and there
[2:09:14] is some language we can come up
[2:09:16] with with staff to be integrated
[2:09:18] into development agreement that
[2:09:20] can, you know, say, you know, at
[2:09:22] certain stages right that there
[2:09:24] has to be those some sort of
[2:09:25] criteria.
[2:09:26] So we're committed to that.
[2:09:27] >> slept, thank
[2:09:28] -- slept, thank
[2:09:30] -- excellent, thank you.
[2:09:31] I did want to say
[2:09:32] congratulations, I will tell you
[2:09:33] you know we have had a few other
[2:09:35] really big development type
[2:09:36] projects happen in alachua
[2:09:37] county and we've never had one
[2:09:39] where there's an empty room or
[2:09:41] very few people here that have
[2:09:42] comments on the development.
[2:09:44] And so I will say as a testament
[2:09:45] to that five meetings that you
[2:09:46] had in the community and
[2:09:47] listening to your neighbors and
[2:09:49] hearing what they have to say,
[2:09:50] and listening to us and what we
[2:09:52] have to say through the sas
[2:09:53] process and being willing to
[2:09:55] work with our staff, so thank
[2:09:57] you for at least coming, you
[2:09:58] know, for coming to the table
[2:09:59] with all of that work alread
[2:10:01] being done.
[2:10:03] And making sure that the
[2:10:04] neighbors are excited about
[2:10:06] having you as a neighbor.
[2:10:08] I emean I've never had so many
[2:10:09] letters of support from
[2:10:10] neighborhoods who actually live
[2:10:11] directly next to a development
[2:10:12] that they are excited about a
[2:10:12] development coming.
[2:10:14] Usually it's the opposite.
[2:10:15] It's all the reason why they
[2:10:17] think it's an awful idea.
[2:10:18] >> I appreciate that.
[2:10:19] That's important for us.
[2:10:21] As you know I'm a community
[2:10:21] member.
[2:10:23] >> something to be proud of for
[2:10:25] sure and it's evident the work
[2:10:26] has been done and I really
[2:10:27] appreciate our staff.
[2:10:28] I know that they worked really,
[2:10:30] really hard to, you know, get to
[2:10:32] yes on this and to find those
[2:10:33] balances with protecting our
[2:10:34] natural resources.
[2:10:37] And allowing for the developer
[2:10:37] to build something that's going
[2:10:39] to be -- and the family to build
[2:10:40] something that's going to be a
[2:10:41] legacy that's going to be more
[2:10:43] dense, more urban in nature and
[2:10:44] make more sense if we're going
[2:10:46] to develop a piece of property,
[2:10:47] let's do it the right way and
[2:10:48] let's put that kind of density
[2:10:49] so that we're building
[2:10:50] affordable housing so that we're
[2:10:52] allowing for mobility and people
[2:10:53] to live, work, and play in the
[2:10:54] same area.
[2:10:55] And you know, of course I'm
[2:10:56] excited about the farm.
[2:10:57] That's what I do but I do think
[2:10:59] you know one of the things I
[2:11:00] mentioned was the idea that you
[2:11:01] know from my perspective, that
[2:11:04] farm is an amenity to the
[2:11:06] development, and I think leaving
[2:11:08] it to bona fide agriculture is a
[2:11:11] mistake, I think that it needs
[2:11:13] the kind of controls through the
[2:11:14] hoa, through the agreement with
[2:11:18] the county, to protect the
[2:11:19] residents of that neighborhood
[2:11:20] and the future of that land to
[2:11:22] make sure that it has the same
[2:11:24] types of regulations and
[2:11:25] requirements for the management
[2:11:27] of that property as the rest of
[2:11:27] the development.
[2:11:30] >> I agree, I think you'll find
[2:11:33] that as a part of the b mp
[2:11:34] conditions that we plan on
[2:11:35] implementing into the pd so that
[2:11:37] we do, we do plan to implement
[2:11:39] and so while there MAY not be a
[2:11:44] ton of detail if the comp plan
[2:11:44] application, I think you will
[2:11:46] see that come along into some of
[2:11:48] the bmp criteria that you'll see
[2:11:52] in the pd just like some of our
[2:11:56] landscape -- you know landscape
[2:11:57] irrigation will be addressed so
[2:11:59] we are happy to address that
[2:12:00] specific point even within the
[2:12:01] confines of the comp plan
[2:12:03] amendment and the pd proposal
[2:12:05] that we are, we are we have in
[2:12:09] front you've also presenting
[2:12:12] criteria and bmp practices that
[2:12:14] have to be abide by.
[2:12:15] >> well I would -- I guess I
[2:12:17] would like for staff to let me
[2:12:19] know what they think the
[2:12:21] appropriate edits are to m in
[2:12:23] the comprehensive plan
[2:12:24] transmittals as we have it to
[2:12:26] address that at this stage as
[2:12:27] well as at the stages moving
[2:12:29] forward just so that.
[2:12:31] >> yeah, I'm happy to pass the
[2:12:32] microphone off.
[2:12:34] I think we're, where we have
[2:12:35] come to it from this perspective
[2:12:36] is we
[2:12:37] we were asking for
[2:12:38] transmittal and then you will
[2:12:40] get back the pd with those
[2:12:41] conditions on which you would
[2:12:42] vote on its own merits within
[2:12:43] that pd document.
[2:12:46] You know with that criteria but
[2:12:49] happy to pass the microphone off
[2:12:56] if you want --
[2:12:58] >> MR. Chair, I don't know.
[2:12:59] So I would say from staff we
[2:13:00] find ourselves in a little bit
[2:13:03] of a quandary because the state
[2:13:05] really takes control of defining
[2:13:08] what ag is, and it preempts us
[2:13:10] from regulating that.
[2:13:12] >> this isn't -- this isn't ag.
[2:13:14] Into the traditional sense I
[2:13:15] mean yes they are going to be
[2:13:17] growing food but it's first and
[2:13:19] foremost it's going to be an
[2:13:20] open space, a park for the
[2:13:22] neighbors who live right next
[2:13:23] door, you know and so while it
[2:13:26] is a farm, I guess my, my sense
[2:13:28] of the story that they're
[2:13:29] telling and my experience of
[2:13:30] these developments in the past
[2:13:33] is that it's, it's not a
[2:13:34] traditional farm in the sense
[2:13:37] that it's operating on its own
[2:13:41] in a rural area outside of the
[2:13:42] impacts that it would have on
[2:13:45] residences rights next door or
[2:13:46] stormwater ponds that are right
[2:13:49] next door to it.
[2:13:51] And therefore, it's actually a
[2:13:53] different type of land use than
[2:13:55] bona fide ag.
[2:13:58] It's going to be subsidized by
[2:14:02] the development.
[2:14:03] >> corbin?
[2:14:04] >>> I don't know if there is
[2:14:05] something you wanted to add to
[2:14:06] that before I jump in.
[2:14:07] >> it's true, I was just going
[2:14:08] to say that as a part of the pd
[2:14:09] there is a mix of -- or as a
[2:14:11] part of the comp plan there is a
[2:14:12] mix of uses obviously and to be
[2:14:15] categorized in each one and that
[2:14:16] was why we addressed it via
[2:14:18] character areas, and addressing
[2:14:20] that farm and that location and
[2:14:21] the criteria and the guidelines
[2:14:24] of which it has to abide, we're
[2:14:26] offering above and beyond maybe
[2:14:28] just bona fide ag, we're happy
[2:14:29] to offer in the form of that pd
[2:14:31] in which obviously you would
[2:14:32] have all of the detail in front
[2:14:34] of you to support or obviously
[2:14:37] not support but that would just
[2:14:38] be my only comment is that I
[2:14:40] think as we see it, we see
[2:14:42] character areas and individual
[2:14:43] categorization of what is where,
[2:14:45] and what that has to abide by so
[2:14:46] we plan on having that for you
[2:14:47] in the future.
[2:14:49] >> correct and I appreciate that
[2:14:49] and I believe you I mean the
[2:14:51] conversations that I've had with
[2:14:51] you about what you all plan to
[2:14:54] do and listening to justin talk
[2:14:55] about and see you know these
[2:14:57] types of developments, I
[2:14:58] absolutely 100% believe you and
[2:15:00] agree with you, but I think if
[2:15:02] we call it bona fide ag then our
[2:15:04] ability to actually do those
[2:15:06] enforcements of that pd are
[2:15:06] actually pritted
[2:15:08] pretty limited
[2:15:12] to his point because we cannot
[2:15:13] regulate agriculture in
[2:15:14] somestances so I want to be
[2:15:16] mindful of that and make sure we
[2:15:19] you to come up with those --
[2:15:21] >> wouldn't we have that has
[2:15:22] as
[2:15:25] part of the pd, we can put the
[2:15:27] conditions in the pd?
[2:15:27] Corbin?
[2:15:28] >> so ultimately as far as the
[2:15:29] land use perspective goes, eyes,
[2:15:30] I get the point that this is
[2:15:33] different than your traditional
[2:15:34] ag but if there is a commercial
[2:15:36] component to this agriculture,
[2:15:39] there is nothing we could do
[2:15:40] that would potentially stop
[2:15:43] getting an ag cloiks and --
[2:15:44] classification and coming in an
[2:15:46] at a later time, we're doing
[2:15:48] bona fide ag selling vegetables
[2:15:50] and then preempted.
[2:15:52] >> for tax classification.
[2:15:52] >>> yeah they could come in and
[2:15:54] say on this particular portion,
[2:15:57] this is ag classified.
[2:16:00] Therefore, you know because we
[2:16:02] are, we are using this for bona
[2:16:04] fide ag we have a commercial
[2:16:05] output the county is then
[2:16:06] preempted from coming and in
[2:16:08] regulating it no matter what we
[2:16:11] call it on this end.
[2:16:13] >> so how would the pd
[2:16:14] requirements be upheld in a
[2:16:15] situation where there was bona
[2:16:20] fide ag?
[2:16:21] >> chris?
[2:16:24] >> yeah, so I mean, it's a walks
[2:16:26] like a duck quacks like a duck
[2:16:30] kind of thing, MR. Chair.
[2:16:31] >> on a farm.
[2:16:32] >> on a farm.
[2:16:32] [Laughter]
[2:16:33] Yeah, I guess there will be
[2:16:34] animals there.
[2:16:36] I think that the problem is we
[2:16:37] can -- we can call it something
[2:16:40] else in our comp plan, but if
[2:16:41] it's on a piece of property and
[2:16:43] the property appraiser says it's
[2:16:48] bona fide ag, we're, we're
[2:16:49] preempted from it.
[2:16:50] >> I guess I just --
[2:16:52] >> so if the, if the applicants,
[2:16:54] I would just say you know from
[2:16:57] my perspective, so one thing we
[2:17:00] could do is, I'll wait on that.
[2:17:02] I think from, from my
[2:17:04] perspective, trying to say that
[2:17:07] the working farm that might
[2:17:08] potentially, this is, this sort
[2:17:09] of what happens in the future,
[2:17:14] it's a what if, but if it is ag,
[2:17:17] and it gets an ag
[2:17:18] classification, regardless of
[2:17:21] what we adopt, the state says we
[2:17:24] can't enforce it.
[2:17:25] Because it's ag.
[2:17:27] >> I mean reading --
[2:17:30] >> so, so the only, I don't -- I
[2:17:32] don't know if the applicant is
[2:17:33] willing to stand up here and
[2:17:36] commit and say I agree that it's
[2:17:38] never going to get an ag
[2:17:40] classification, yes, it's an
[2:17:44] institutional use, and I agree
[2:17:46] to these regulations.
[2:17:47] But the applicant would sort of
[2:17:50] have to make that explicitly
[2:17:51] clear.
[2:17:52] >> they're saying that they're
[2:17:54] going to have these BMPs to
[2:17:55] further defined in the kinds of
[2:17:56] things they're binding
[2:17:57] themselves to in terms of
[2:17:59] operating that farm with
[2:18:02] sustainable practice, organic
[2:18:03] practices, water management
[2:18:04] practice and I'm saying you're
[2:18:06] telling me today that we
[2:18:07] couldn't actually enforce that.
[2:18:09] >> yeah, I mean, they MAY do
[2:18:12] some of those things, and we can
[2:18:14] have them in the pd, but if it
[2:18:17] comes to that point where the
[2:18:19] state says or the property
[2:18:20] appraiser says no, they, they
[2:18:23] apply for an ag classification,
[2:18:25] they have a commercial purpose,
[2:18:27] they do one of the activities
[2:18:30] that is generally considered
[2:18:32] agricultural, we, we can't
[2:18:35] regulate it anymore.
[2:18:35] So I think that's sort of the
[2:18:37] challenge that we've found
[2:18:39] because we talked about I know
[2:18:40] stacy sat in a conference room
[2:18:42] with me and we talked about that
[2:18:42] possibility.
[2:18:45] Can we apply these irrigation
[2:18:48] policies or fertilizer policies
[2:18:50] or whatever to the working farm
[2:18:51] portion and I think where we
[2:18:55] always sort of ran into the wall
[2:18:57] was what happens when it become
[2:19:00] bona fide ag.
[2:19:01] >> I mean, I think if I could
[2:19:07] step in here, 8.6.6.10 and
[2:19:09] 8.6.6.11 hammers home and is
[2:19:10] exact point and it's in the
[2:19:11] policy.
[2:19:13] I mean it basically says working
[2:19:16] farm is a community anchor that
[2:19:18] required planned development
[2:19:20] zoning shall include a
[2:19:21] professionally managed year
[2:19:22] round working farm as a
[2:19:23] centrally organized element of
[2:19:23] the community.
[2:19:25] That's like the first sentence.
[2:19:29] And then whu r when you get into
[2:19:32] policy 8.6.6.11 it says context,
[2:19:33] agriculture compatibility and
[2:19:35] best management practice context
[2:19:37] sensitivity buffers, best
[2:19:39] management practices, including
[2:19:40] the landscape best management
[2:19:41] plan, and right to farm
[2:19:43] disclosures shall be required to
[2:19:45] ensure long-term compatibility
[2:19:47] between ag operations and the
[2:19:47] residential or mixed use.
[2:19:50] I mean you guys have addressed
[2:19:53] this I think I don't understand
[2:19:56] like we're going to hear all of
[2:19:58] your concerns be put into the pd
[2:19:59] and it's actually part of the
[2:20:02] comp plan policy.
[2:20:03] Like it's got to be consistent.
[2:20:05] The pd can't be inconsistent
[2:20:06] with the comp plan policy, it
[2:20:07] must be consistent with the comp
[2:20:08] plan policy.
[2:20:10] >> what they're saying is it
[2:20:12] doesn't matter if the comp plan
[2:20:13] policies or pd policies are
[2:20:15] applied too bona fide ag because
[2:20:17] at the end of the day we can't
[2:20:19] regulate the bona fide ag.
[2:20:22] >> it's literally going to be
[2:20:22] regulated.
[2:20:23] >> my concern isn't now.
[2:20:25] My concern is 12, 30 years --
[2:20:26] 20, 30 years from now when the
[2:20:28] developer isn't there and the
[2:20:29] hoa has taken --
[2:20:31] >> well 40 years -- yes, they
[2:20:31] will, believe me.
[2:20:32] >> I don't disagree with your
[2:20:33] concern.
[2:20:35] My point is let's address that
[2:20:36] concern at the pd.
[2:20:38] Because the policy it has to be
[2:20:40] consistent with what staff has
[2:20:43] put into the comp plan policy.
[2:20:44] >> but what I'm being told by
[2:20:46] our attorney is that it doesn't
[2:20:47] matter what we put in the pd.
[2:20:49] If it's land use is ag then its,
[2:20:51] and its bona fide agriculture
[2:20:52] then we have no ability to
[2:20:53] regulate it.
[2:20:56] >> so we don't want an ag
[2:20:57] component to this neighborhood?
[2:20:58] >> no I'm not say that.
[2:20:59] >> you are.
[2:20:59] You are saying that.
[2:21:01] >> no I was saying that I was
[2:21:03] hoping that the land use would
[2:21:06] not be ag, that it would be
[2:21:07] something else and it's actually
[2:21:09] part of the development rather
[2:21:10] than an agricultural farm
[2:21:11] because it's even thoughit is a
[2:21:13] technically a farm, it's an
[2:21:15] amenity to the neighborhood and
[2:21:18] my only concern is long-term the
[2:21:19] residents and with this gets
[2:21:21] turned over to somebody other
[2:21:22] thanking amenity for management
[2:21:24] that they understand they need
[2:21:25] to hup
[2:21:27] uphold the values the
[2:21:28] amenities is bringing to the
[2:21:29] farm.
[2:21:30] It's down the road.
[2:21:31] We're the ones -- not me but
[2:21:32] some other commissioner up here
[2:21:34] is going to be the one who gets
[2:21:35] the whiny neighbor who's like
[2:21:37] this farm is stinky and it looks
[2:21:39] bad and they're not doing their
[2:21:40] job the right way.
[2:21:44] And you know, they're not using
[2:21:46] organic materials and.
[2:21:47] >> put their for sale sign in
[2:21:48] the yard and someone else is
[2:21:50] going to buy that house.
[2:21:51] Because that's the central to
[2:21:53] the neighborhood.
[2:21:54] Like if you don't want a farm in
[2:21:55] your neighborhood, probably
[2:21:57] don't go to everlee.
[2:21:58] >> correct, this is not the
[2:21:59] place for you.
[2:22:03] But to that point, as a part of
[2:22:04] the later staidgesz, we
[2:22:05] --
[2:22:07] stages we will have a cdd
[2:22:08] creation and there willby an
[2:22:10] hoa, and so just to be clear,
[2:22:14] the working farm is not a land
[2:22:15] holding that there would be any
[2:22:17] incentive to be held privately.
[2:22:21] So there will be confines of
[2:22:22] obligation right in that whether
[2:22:25] the hoa owns it or kdd what have
[2:22:25] you.
[2:22:27] I mean, there would be no
[2:22:29] benefit of privately holding
[2:22:30] that liability if that makes
[2:22:31] sense.
[2:22:33] So I think that in reality,
[2:22:35] probably addresses a lot of the
[2:22:37] ongoing concerns that you have,
[2:22:38] and the way we get there is
[2:22:39] through that scale that we're
[2:22:42] asking for.
[2:22:43] >> you conclude?
[2:22:43] >> yeah.
[2:22:44] >> commissioner alford and then
[2:22:47] commissioner wheeler.
[2:22:48] >> okay.
[2:22:51] I have a few things.
[2:22:53] First, I want to say thank you
[2:22:55] for the extensive community
[2:22:56] outreach.
[2:23:00] This is in my district basically
[2:23:01] and I've had calls from many of
[2:23:04] my former neighbos and friends
[2:23:06] that live in the hale rr area
[2:23:08] and they've all said, you know,
[2:23:10] we thought we weren't going to
[2:23:12] like this but we really love
[2:23:12] it.
[2:23:15] And it's, it's they, they've
[2:23:17] said that you guys are just
[2:23:20] great to talk to, to negotiate
[2:23:23] with, to share information,
[2:23:23] that's the first thing I wanted
[2:23:24] to say.
[2:23:25] Second thing, I need to disclose
[2:23:27] that I've known victor dover for
[2:23:29] a very long time.
[2:23:31] He's my favorite new urbanest
[2:23:32] and I haven't seen a project of
[2:23:37] victor's that I haven't liked.
[2:23:41] So he's really, well, I mien, I
[2:23:43] can't not say that.
[2:23:46] So I, I'm very excited to have
[2:23:47] you do, you know potentially do
[2:23:49] work in our town, and provide
[2:23:50] something that, you know, I
[2:23:53] just, like your approach to
[2:23:54] things and I like how you
[2:23:56] integrate the new urbanist
[2:23:59] principles in a, in a practical
[2:24:00] and approachable way you don't
[2:24:01] talk about transects and all
[2:24:02] this other stuff.
[2:24:04] You just tell people how it
[2:24:09] works and so I like that.
[2:24:11] And then and I really like this
[2:24:13] whole idea of growing healthy
[2:24:15] food and growing healthy people
[2:24:17] and growing healthy community
[2:24:20] because it all fits together,
[2:24:24] and, and I just, you know, I
[2:24:26] really tried hard to not like
[2:24:30] this project because it isn't
[2:24:31] what we should be doing we
[2:24:32] should be developing, outside of
[2:24:34] our urban cluster but I just
[2:24:35] love it.
[2:24:36] I can't help it.
[2:24:39] I really do like it and I, and I
[2:24:41] have to admit that.
[2:24:46] So a few concerns that I do have
[2:24:47] are so I live for a number of
[2:24:50] years in the hale village
[2:24:52] center, and I got very familiar
[2:24:54] with a lot of people that did a
[2:24:57] lot of work in the haile village
[2:24:57] center because they're my
[2:24:59] business partner and one of the
[2:25:00] things that I learned is that
[2:25:02] gru has stated on multiple
[2:25:04] occasions that they would never
[2:25:05] allow another village center to
[2:25:10] get built in their district.
[2:25:11] Because it everything's too
[2:25:12] close together, it was too hard
[2:25:14] to provide the utilities, too
[2:25:15] hard to go in and fix.
[2:25:17] Just too hard.
[2:25:20] So I hope that we are working
[2:25:23] hard to make a good relationship
[2:25:25] with at early on in this project
[2:25:27] while we're in the planning
[2:25:29] phase so can you talk a little
[2:25:31] bit about what -- how you've
[2:25:32] worked with gru and low you
[2:25:33] how
[2:25:34] you're planning on managing
[2:25:35] that.
[2:25:35] >> MR. Holly.
[2:25:38] >> yes, of course, specifically
[2:25:40] commissioner alford we have been
[2:25:42] working with gru for the better
[2:25:43] course of the rast nine months.
[2:25:46] So we engaged them prior to
[2:25:48] actually filing any applications
[2:25:50] with the county.
[2:25:52] We have concerns obviously
[2:25:53] around their ability to serve
[2:25:55] and how that would work with the
[2:25:57] urban cluster.
[2:25:59] We work with them and actually
[2:26:00] have been having biweekly
[2:26:01] meetings really over the course
[2:26:04] of the last six months or so.
[2:26:05] To discuss their ability to
[2:26:07] serve the utilities that would
[2:26:08] be necessary, the extensions
[2:26:11] that are required to get to the
[2:26:12] property, and we have gone so
[2:26:14] far as to really start looking
[2:26:17] at sizing of lines and how do we
[2:26:19] provide infrastructure, for this
[2:26:21] specific property at specific
[2:26:21] locations.
[2:26:23] And so that's something that we
[2:26:25] have been intentionally working
[2:26:29] with gru towards really
[2:26:32] alignment for the last six to
[2:26:32] nine months.
[2:26:34] >> so are they going to allow
[2:26:35] their urban setback standards
[2:26:37] and your more urban areas and
[2:26:40] not try to impose their all you
[2:26:43] have to do is drive through
[2:26:46] butler and see what they like to
[2:26:47] have so.
[2:26:49] >> yeah, and certainly I mean we
[2:26:51] want to be a accommodating as we
[2:26:52] can be as we look --
[2:26:58] >>no, you don't.
[2:26:58] [Laughter]
[2:26:59] >> as we think through street
[2:27:01] sections and streetscapes and
[2:27:03] building frontage and how we
[2:27:04] accommodate trees, how we
[2:27:05] accommodate sidewalks,
[2:27:07] pedestrian facilities,
[2:27:08] utilities, you know we're
[2:27:11] providing, we've submitted very
[2:27:13] narrow streetscape sections
[2:27:16] purposefully to really slow
[2:27:18] design speeds, narrow
[2:27:19] right-of-ways, that creates a
[2:27:20] challenges for utilities and
[2:27:21] it's something that's not lost
[2:27:22] on us as engineers and planners
[2:27:25] and designers.
[2:27:27] So we look forward to having
[2:27:28] these conversations with gru
[2:27:28] specifically on how we can
[2:27:31] address that as we move towards
[2:27:32] construction documents.
[2:27:33] >> okay I just -- you know that
[2:27:35] just really wordy me because I
[2:27:36] have heard that quote so many
[2:27:39] times and I just, but I also
[2:27:41] know that you know there was
[2:27:44] probably not the same level of
[2:27:45] planning at the beginning of
[2:27:49] that, and so you know there were
[2:27:50] utilities run under buildings
[2:27:53] and things that were a challenge
[2:27:54] so hopefully we're at a little
[2:27:57] better place than that so thank
[2:28:01] you for that on the, I would
[2:28:04] love to they
[2:28:09] think that the
[2:28:15] whole agriculture thing would be
[2:28:21] self-regulating, but again,
[2:28:29] living in the hale village
[2:28:38] center I've watched that
[2:28:47] slippery slope of a natural
[2:28:57] landscape that everybody
[2:29:07] embraced and loved being slowly
[2:29:17] chopped down and replaced with
[2:29:27] more formal landscaping along
[2:29:37] some of the streets in areas
[2:29:46] even though residents didn't
[2:29:54] want it it's what the homeowners
[2:30:04] association did because I don't
[2:30:14] know somebody knew somebody.
[2:30:23] But I really do feel like we
[2:30:31] need something there.
[2:30:38] I don't know what it would look
[2:30:46] like, but I think expecting it
[2:30:54] to be self-regulating is, is
[2:31:03] going to be a challenge because
[2:31:11] things, things do change, and
[2:31:19] managers do change, and
[2:31:28] sometimes it just all boils down
[2:31:37] to money and I hate to say
[2:31:46] that.
[2:31:55] And while I'm on the subject of
[2:32:03] landscaping, I was curious now
[2:32:12] when you did your first
[2:32:22] presentation to us, you kind of
[2:32:32] had this little vision that you
[2:32:43] shard of walking down a natural
[2:32:53] path in the woods and I remember
[2:33:04] talking about edible landscaping
[2:33:14] at this point so can you talk
[2:33:22] about had you that would fit
[2:33:29] into the.
[2:33:37] >> of course.
[2:33:44] Yeah.
[2:33:52] Back up one step try to give you
[2:33:59] an answer on the farm on the
[2:34:07] agriculture self-regulation.
[2:34:15] I think important piece there is
[2:34:22] having the ownership and
[2:34:31] obligation live in the cdd or
[2:34:39] hoa.
[2:34:46] Just answer the question much%
[2:34:54] like an amenity center in
[2:35:02] another neighborhood, that's --
[2:35:09] >> it's got to be really --
[2:35:16] >> obligation --
[2:35:23] >> yeah and it's got to be
[2:35:30] really clear.
[2:35:38] >> -- hold that amenity.
[2:35:45] >> it's got to be really clear
[2:35:52] because inale it wasn't
[2:35:59] necessarily clear.
[2:36:06] >> yeah, I think that's
[2:36:13] important for us too.
[2:36:20] I think the clarity for
[2:36:27] potential homeowners that's
[2:36:33] going to be necessary.
[2:36:38] So that, to answer that part,
[2:36:43] the second part of that though
[2:36:47] for the edible landscaping I
[2:36:50] think that goes back what I was
[2:36:53] telling you my original vision
[2:36:55] for this and one of the primary
[2:36:58] millers is not only street
[2:37:00] design and walkable
[2:37:02] neighborhoods but sidewalks,
[2:37:04] those are all very important
[2:37:07] pieces of this presentation no
[2:37:09] doubt but also some of the
[2:37:11] natural landscape and having
[2:37:13] trail ways through them and then
[2:37:15] incorporating and we're working
[2:37:17] with epd through some of the
[2:37:19] criteria on what can be
[2:37:21] implemented and potentially
[2:37:23] added in some of those c ma
[2:37:25] where we could implement either
[2:37:27] restoration implementation or
[2:37:28] potentially some edible
[2:37:30] landscaping so the vision with
[2:37:32] that was that we try to keep a
[2:37:34] lot of the especially perimeter
[2:37:36] or integrated conservation trail
[2:37:38] ways in a way that you get to
[2:37:39] experience edible landscaping
[2:37:42] and wildlife and under tree
[2:37:43] canopies so some of that will be
[2:37:45] working in hand in hand with
[2:37:47] staff and working through and
[2:37:49] weaving through some policy mike
[2:37:51] sure we can make all that happen
[2:37:52] in a way that is meaningful.
[2:37:54] >> yeah, I mean, I think about
[2:37:56] my kids getting to experience,
[2:37:58] you know, mullberries or pawpaws
[2:37:59] or things like that that you
[2:38:01] don't necessarily see anymore
[2:38:03] because you know nobody's
[2:38:05] growing them commercially really
[2:38:06] but you know they're great.
[2:38:08] >> yeah, this is an opportunity
[2:38:10] to do that.
[2:38:11] I mean, it just, especially
[2:38:13] considering in the trailway
[2:38:15] system it's really not
[2:38:16] commercial, it's scale.
[2:38:18] It's more of an experience and
[2:38:19] so that's something that we
[2:38:20] value that I think we're excited
[2:38:21] to have the opportunity to work
[2:38:22] with ifas on potentially you
[2:38:23] know using, would love to pair
[2:38:25] up in some way to have some
[2:38:26] lurch component but then also be
[2:38:27] used you know improve genetic or
[2:38:28] fruit stock and would love to
[2:38:29] see how that can evolve.
[2:38:30] We plan on incorporating a lot
[2:38:31] of that into the trail system.
[2:38:32] >> awesome.
[2:38:32] Thank you.
[2:38:33] All right.
[2:38:34] Let me see, if I got all of my
[2:38:35] little stars.
[2:38:36] And I think this goes without
[2:38:37] saying but we are measuring 50%
[2:38:38] development by the number of
[2:38:39] residential units?
[2:38:40] Or.
[2:38:41] >> one-half of 2700.
[2:38:42] >> 2500?
[2:38:43] >>> 50% of what?
[2:38:44] >> of residential units or
[2:38:45] residents or area developed,
[2:38:46] what is 50% mean?
[2:38:47] >> for the archer road.
[2:38:48] >> oh, yaw
[2:38:49] yeah, it would be the
[2:38:50] eunice, intensity of
[2:38:52] development.
[2:38:53] >> intensity of development,
[2:38:54] just wanted to, I figured
[2:38:55] somebody's going to ask me that,
[2:38:55] so I figured I should ask.
[2:38:56] Okay.
[2:38:57] That's all I have right now.
[2:38:58] >> thank you, commissioner.
[2:38:59] Commissioner wheeler.
[2:39:01] >> yes, I just want to thank the
[2:39:02] group.
[2:39:03] I've been asking for eight years
[2:39:04] now every development to give me
[2:39:05] something I've never seen
[2:39:06] before.
[2:39:07] Now I know it's time I can
[2:39:07] finally retire I
[2:39:08] I was on a jake
[2:39:09] fuller cartoon I always got the
[2:39:10] last word on a water video
[2:39:11] today, and now getting to see
[2:39:12] something that I've never seen
[2:39:13] before, and to watch all of you
[2:39:13] who were a part of the team that
[2:39:14] I was there that visiting that
[2:39:15] day was remarkable to see the
[2:39:16] energy and the enthusiasm and
[2:39:16] the commitment to this project
[2:39:17] being able to make a community
[2:39:18] that is charming and, and is
[2:39:18] inviting.
[2:39:19] And inviting community so I do
[2:39:19] hope you all will put some of
[2:39:20] those cracker houses that I saw
[2:39:20] the designs for out there.
[2:39:21] You know, that are, are
[2:39:22] reminiscent of a calmer, easier
[2:39:22] time.
[2:39:23] You know people try, travel to
[2:39:23] disney all the time to see these
[2:39:24] kinds of communities, you know,
[2:39:25] that you all are talking about
[2:39:25] trying to do, and that's what it
[2:39:26] felt like when I was there.
[2:39:26] You all were creating this place
[2:39:27] that people would want to be.
[2:39:28] And it was really exciting to
[2:39:28] see that.
[2:39:28] In motion and I would really
[2:39:29] like to make this motion now.
[2:39:30] I know we're going to have
[2:39:30] community speaking up.
[2:39:31] >> good I mean we need to have a
[2:39:31] motion.
[2:39:32] >> I move that we transmit the
[2:39:33] application z26-000005 with the
[2:39:33] staff recommended policies to
[2:39:34] the state for review and
[2:39:34] comment.
[2:39:35] >> second.
[2:39:36] >> second.
[2:39:36] >> chair: motion and two
[2:39:37] seconds.
[2:39:37] All right.
[2:39:38] >> thank you now I can retire.
[2:39:38] >> chair: do you conclude?
[2:39:39] Do you conclude?
[2:39:39] Commissioner chestnut.
[2:39:40] >> thank you, MR. Chair.
[2:39:40] I guess I have a couple of
[2:39:41] questions first of all, how many
[2:39:41] farmstead communities are
[2:39:42] there?
[2:39:42] Is this the first or?
[2:39:43] Or is it more in florida?
[2:39:43] I'm just asking.
[2:39:44] >> you mean in the county or are
[2:39:44] you just mean in general.
[2:39:45] >> in general because to me this
[2:39:45] is the first time I ever seen
[2:39:46] anything like it so that's while
[2:39:46] yiep
[2:39:47] I'm asking.
[2:39:47] >> I would not dare to think
[2:39:48] there is something different to
[2:39:49] this.
[2:39:49] There are definitely different
[2:39:50] versionses of this but I think
[2:39:50] what we have built under the
[2:39:51] guidelines of what your staff
[2:39:51] has recommended is very unique.
[2:39:52] I would not shy away from that.
[2:39:52] There MAY be farm components to
[2:39:53] communities that MAY exist
[2:39:53] elsewhere but with all of the
[2:39:54] processes and policy that
[2:39:54] they've recommended I would
[2:39:55] imagine we're very unique.
[2:39:55] >> there are a lot of
[2:39:56] farmsteads.
[2:39:56] >> MR. Mayors, did you want
[2:39:57] to -- I saw you jump up.
[2:39:57] >> [Off mic]
[2:39:58] 72 austin, do you want justice
[2:39:58] to.
[2:39:59] >> yeah.
[2:39:59] >> yeah, please.
[2:39:59] >> I was just curious.
[2:40:00] >> I think austin's answer was
[2:40:00] great in terms of I think there
[2:40:01] is like a spectrum of like kind
[2:40:01] of these farm-based
[2:40:02] communities.
[2:40:02] And this is I think on that like
[2:40:02] deeper end of like really having
[2:40:03] it be like a core part of the
[2:40:04] neighborhood and a very like
[2:40:05] real and authentic way where
[2:40:05] it's not just kind of like
[2:40:06] checking a box ear kind of like
[2:40:06] a farm in name only.
[2:40:07] And so I think and that end it
[2:40:08] is one of the more unique
[2:40:08] projects and there is not like
[2:40:08] necessarily like a formal like
[2:40:09] governing body or definition of
[2:40:09] like what is a farmstead or
[2:40:10] agri -- like this but I think
[2:40:11] this is on that end of the
[2:40:11] spectrum that really kind of
[2:40:12] captures like the vision of how
[2:40:12] a farm can be integrated into a
[2:40:13] neighborhood and really have it
[2:40:13] be like a deeply valuable
[2:40:14] thing.
[2:40:14] >> okay.
[2:40:15] My next question, I think during
[2:40:15] the presentation, they stated
[2:40:16] there would be fruits and
[2:40:16] vegetables but I never heard
[2:40:16] anything about any animals.
[2:40:17] Are there going to be animals?
[2:40:17] >> so I think --
[2:40:18] >> and what kind.
[2:40:18] >> yeah, so some of or other
[2:40:19] projects we have like pasture
[2:40:19] pull tree
[2:40:20] powelltry.
[2:40:20] For
[2:40:21] poultry.
[2:40:21] For some places an educational
[2:40:21] chicken coop, 20, 25 birds and
[2:40:22] others you have egg production
[2:40:22] with 2
[2:40:23] 200, 300 birds same with
[2:40:23] an apiary we will have 10 hives
[2:40:24] there is a showcase piece but we
[2:40:24] could have 80 to 100 and have
[2:40:25] honey production so I think
[2:40:25] where we are now in the planning
[2:40:25] we'll be especially the
[2:40:26] educational pieces that are
[2:40:26] woven in and then there is
[2:40:26] opportunity to have like larger
[2:40:27] scale animal ag as well that
[2:40:27] kind of how it evolves down the
[2:40:27] road.
[2:40:28] But I think like vegetables,
[2:40:28] fruits and flowers are really
[2:40:29] like the main driver like
[2:40:29] diversified year round basis and
[2:40:29] then you can kind of slide in
[2:40:29] animals around the way if
[2:40:30] needed.
[2:40:30] >> the only reason I ask that
[2:40:30] question because was I remember
[2:40:31] MR. Lee saying that their farm
[2:40:31] been there for many years then a
[2:40:31] development started building
[2:40:32] around them and people from
[2:40:32] haile plantation don't mean to
[2:40:32] pick on haile plantation but
[2:40:33] were complaining about the
[2:40:33] cows.
[2:40:34] At night mooing and tough like
[2:40:34] that.
[2:40:34] So that's why I asked that
[2:40:34] question because what I want to
[2:40:35] make sure happens is that when
[2:40:35] folks buy property there, that
[2:40:35] they know that they're buying
[2:40:36] into a farm.
[2:40:36] >> sure, yeah.
[2:40:36] >> keep in mind that 20-acre
[2:40:37] working farm MAY be more
[2:40:37] primarily directed at fruits and
[2:40:37] veggies but there is another --
[2:40:37] you know at the part of a
[2:40:38] 200-acre you know agriculture
[2:40:38] conservation open space
[2:40:38] requirement so we might have
[2:40:39] other areas and again we're
[2:40:39] still in planning stages but we
[2:40:39] might have other areas that have
[2:40:40] livestock you know horses or
[2:40:40] cattle or goats and maybe a
[2:40:40] little bit farther awaifrom
[2:40:41] community have but still allow
[2:40:41] those uses.
[2:40:42] >> cute little pig maybe.
[2:40:42] >> yeah.
[2:40:42] [Laughter]
[2:40:43] >> my daughter had any say in
[2:40:43] it, probably.
[2:40:43] >> and I guess my last question
[2:40:44] is what phase will the farm go
[2:40:44] in to an active farm.
[2:40:44] >> heeds the first phase.
[2:40:45] >> that's important.
[2:40:45] Thanks for mentioning that.
[2:40:45] Our commitment is that
[2:40:46] implementation is up front.
[2:40:46] So keep in mind the property is
[2:40:47] being farmed today and we wanted
[2:40:47] not only some of the areas that
[2:40:47] are later development that they
[2:40:48] continue to be farmed but the
[2:40:48] actual working farm be
[2:40:49] implemented up front ask
[2:40:49] obviously there is phasing
[2:40:49] involved in that.
[2:40:50] I mean we couldn't move in day 1
[2:40:50] and have the sort of intensies
[2:40:51] over the entire 20 acres that
[2:40:51] you will have as homes come in.
[2:40:52] But the implementation of that
[2:40:52] farm at some scale day 1 is a
[2:40:52] commitment of ours.
[2:40:53] >> okay.
[2:40:53] And I guess my last comment,
[2:40:53] thank you for the presentation.
[2:40:54] It was very informative.
[2:40:54] My first time seeing something
[2:40:54] like this I think that it
[2:40:55] probably would be a great
[2:40:55] success is and that's why I
[2:40:56] second the motion.
[2:40:56] >> thank you.
[2:40:56] >> so thank you.
[2:40:57] >> chair: thank you,
[2:40:57] commissioner.
[2:40:57] commissioner prizzia.
[2:40:58] >> yeah, to both commissioner
[2:40:58] alford and I have both expressed
[2:40:58] our concerns.
[2:40:59] I think and you'll have to
[2:40:59] forgive me.
[2:40:59] I'm not trying to be a stick in
[2:40:59] the mud about this.
[2:41:00] As you know I should be the most
[2:41:00] excited about here being the
[2:41:00] local food maven we're doing a
[2:41:01] development that has ag at its
[2:41:01] core.
[2:41:01] But yun we just had to deal with
[2:41:02] a pd that had a golf course as
[2:41:02] an amenity and you know 50 years
[2:41:02] ago everybody thought golf
[2:41:03] courses in the middle of
[2:41:03] developments were going to be
[2:41:04] the most amazing thing and
[2:41:04] everyone was going to want to
[2:41:04] live on a golf course and it
[2:41:05] gave them free open space and
[2:41:05] now that pd is trying to split
[2:41:06] off the golf course and wanted
[2:41:06] to sell it and we ended up
[2:41:06] buying it as a park because we
[2:41:07] had this situation.
[2:41:07] I want to make sure that we're
[2:41:08] not doing the same thing with
[2:41:08] this development that in 50
[2:41:08] years we're not going to have
[2:41:09] people standing up trying to
[2:41:09] sell that part of their pd and
[2:41:10] rezone it and turn it into
[2:41:10] something else so they can.
[2:41:10] >> or meadow brook.
[2:41:11] >> I've seen those happen and
[2:41:11] where they create these amenity
[2:41:12] based developments and then it's
[2:41:12] not cool anymore and then they
[2:41:12] want to change it.
[2:41:13] >> so MR. Chair, I think both
[2:41:13] the applicant and staff have
[2:41:13] heard at least that comment
[2:41:13] pretty clearly I think we have
[2:41:14] some thoughts about how we might
[2:41:14] deal with that, I don't think
[2:41:14] they're ready for production at
[2:41:15] transmittal and sort of
[2:41:15] wordsmithing that right now MAY
[2:41:15] not be great.
[2:41:16] I think the thought that we have
[2:41:16] is that we transmit it if the
[2:41:16] board wants to transmit it, that
[2:41:16] we transmit it as is.
[2:41:17] But with the some language in
[2:41:17] the motion that gets at when we
[2:41:17] come back for adoption having
[2:41:18] some better handle on that
[2:41:18] working farm component like
[2:41:18] maybe it has to be under common
[2:41:18] ownership or you know whatever
[2:41:19] that language is, but something
[2:41:19] that addresses the comments
[2:41:19] that --
[2:41:19] >> do you mind adding that to
[2:41:20] the motion, marihelen?
[2:41:20] >> certainly.
[2:41:20] Certainly.
[2:41:20] >> the applicant and the, and
[2:41:21] staff are okay?
[2:41:21] So essentially that by adoption,
[2:41:21] which would also be the same
[2:41:21] time as the pd, that the
[2:41:22] applicant and staff will work on
[2:41:22] something to provide protection
[2:41:22] of the long-term management of
[2:41:23] the farm.
[2:41:23] Okay.
[2:41:24] You good with that?
[2:41:25] >> that's agreeable.
[2:41:26] >> MAY I make a comment about
[2:41:27] that though because you're
[2:41:30] talking 30 to 50 years from now
[2:41:31] where farmer MAY not be possible
[2:41:32] here.
[2:41:33] -- farming MAY not be possible
[2:41:34] here because of the climate.
[2:41:36] >> I think -- I got faith in
[2:41:36] austin roberts.
[2:41:37] I think he will be able to do
[2:41:37] it.
[2:41:39] And he looks young enough that
[2:41:40] he will still be alive.
[2:41:42] >> that's not my point.
[2:41:44] My point is that if we need to
[2:41:45] change in 30 years, the people
[2:41:47] who are here now have to change
[2:41:51] the way it is, you know, it is
[2:41:54] implemented, then it MAY not
[2:41:56] even be to have it as farming.
[2:41:58] You know, anymore.
[2:41:58] >> yes, ma'am, at that time we
[2:42:00] could come back to the board at
[2:42:01] that time obviously to ask.
[2:42:03] >> of course 30 years from now.
[2:42:05] >> and I think, I think the key
[2:42:07] piece in those examples you had
[2:42:09] was private ownership of a
[2:42:11] common amenity and I think
[2:42:14] that's pretty easy for us to
[2:42:16] mitigate through cdd and
[2:42:16] ownership.
[2:42:18] I think that's the piece of --
[2:42:19] on those practices.
[2:42:20] >> thank you, austin.
[2:42:23] Okay, so we've got motion and a
[2:42:23] second.
[2:42:25] We've heard from staff, we've
[2:42:27] heard from the applicant, it is
[2:42:29] time for our amazing citizens
[2:42:31] that are here to come forward.
[2:42:32] We'd like to hear from you all,
[2:42:33] then we will come back to the
[2:42:35] board we'll have further
[2:42:36] deliberations, and then we'll
[2:42:38] see where this goes.
[2:42:40] If you will introduce yourself,
[2:42:41] we've got a light system.
[2:42:45] Green means go, yellow means 30
[2:42:45] seconds,.
[2:42:47] >> chair, commissioners I'm
[2:42:48] grinning because I don't think I
[2:42:50] have ever been in the position
[2:42:52] that I am in now, the position
[2:42:57] I'm in now is I'm going to say a
[2:42:59] little tiny no in a whole course
[2:43:02] of yeses and that's kind of fun
[2:43:05] and I'm glad to be here.
[2:43:09] Jay rosen beck, chair of epac.
[2:43:10] Epac recommends the
[2:43:12] comprehensive plan amendment not
[2:43:15] be approved as currently
[2:43:15] written.
[2:43:18] Concerns include the increase in
[2:43:19] allowable units, location
[2:43:21] outside the urban cluster, water
[2:43:22] quality impact on groundwater
[2:43:26] and springs, location and
[2:43:29] insensitive karst, lack of exact
[2:43:32] metrics for tdr, and something
[2:43:34] we haven't heard before,
[2:43:37] potential impact on gopher
[2:43:37] tortoises.
[2:43:40] That was a vote of 5-3 with two
[2:43:42] members absent.
[2:43:42] Thank you.
[2:43:43] >> thank you.
[2:43:44] >> chair: we appreciate you and
[2:43:45] all the work you do for this
[2:43:45] county.
[2:43:47] Thank you for your comments.
[2:43:59] Next speaker, please.
[2:44:03] >> I'm back, sam.
[2:44:04] >> chair: you're recognized.
[2:44:04] >> thank you.
[2:44:05] I don't know why we keep calling
[2:44:06] this a farm.
[2:44:08] I genuinely have no idea.
[2:44:10] If you talk to a farmer, from
[2:44:12] this area or from the peripheral
[2:44:14] counties they will tell you the
[2:44:15] numbers need to be inversed.
[2:44:17] We are losing the forest for the
[2:44:19] trees no pun intended.
[2:44:23] Why aren't we talking about the
[2:44:23] homes.
[2:44:25] All of the roads are single
[2:44:27] lane, parker, 24th, archer,
[2:44:28] whatever you want it's all
[2:44:28] single lane.
[2:44:29] What are we doing about that?
[2:44:31] A farm?
[2:44:32] This is a trojan horse and I'm
[2:44:34] sorry, I feel very emotional
[2:44:35] about this I don't want to take
[2:44:37] away from my credibility to talk
[2:44:40] about it I am a breekeeper I do
[2:44:42] have a degree of zoology from
[2:44:43] university of florida and I grew
[2:44:45] up across the street from this
[2:44:46] proposed development.
[2:44:47] I cannot tell you I knew about
[2:44:49] this issue before today.
[2:44:50] You know, vice chair pris you
[2:44:51] you mentioned there's not a
[2:44:54] whole lot of audience here as a
[2:44:54] potential indicator that there
[2:44:56] is not a lot of disagreement.
[2:44:58] it's a luxury to be here.
[2:44:59] There are not a lot of people
[2:45:01] who can take this time no matter
[2:45:02] what to come here and voice
[2:45:04] their opinion, particularly from
[2:45:06] the 45 minutes away that this
[2:45:07] site is proposed.
[2:45:08] Commissioner alford you
[2:45:09] mentioned your kids talk about
[2:45:10] the berries I love that.
[2:45:11] I worked at a summer camp owned
[2:45:13] by the school board here for
[2:45:14] seven summers and there actually
[2:45:16] are a few mulberry bushes
[2:45:17] growing out there.
[2:45:19] It's amazing.
[2:45:22] The antithesis of a neighborhood
[2:45:24] that has berries in it is
[2:45:26] putting another 1% of the entire
[2:45:28] amount of homes in this county
[2:45:30] in an area that comprises less
[2:45:32] than 1,000th of the land in it.
[2:45:34] You take away so many more
[2:45:35] berries than you will have no
[2:45:38] matter how dense you try to say
[2:45:38] it.
[2:45:39] 20 acres, 40 acres, it all chops
[2:45:41] up to about 300 square feet per
[2:45:42] household of farmland.
[2:45:44] That is a bedroom.
[2:45:45] That is not a farm.
[2:45:47] This is a trojan horse, and
[2:45:48] there are not very many people
[2:45:49] behind me who are going to be
[2:45:51] here to pay attention to this in
[2:45:52] 40 years.
[2:45:53] I am sorry there are only three
[2:45:55] of us in this room in our
[2:45:55] 20s.
[2:45:56] So I have to think about
[2:45:57] tomorrow.
[2:45:58] This is an unpopular opinion,
[2:46:00] and I can see -- I concede
[2:46:00] that.
[2:46:02] But at the same time, park and
[2:46:03] ride, this is not the population
[2:46:06] that's going to be utilizing
[2:46:06] those services.
[2:46:10] In college I rode the 150rts
[2:46:10] route from the hale village
[2:46:11] center to the university of
[2:46:11] florida.
[2:46:13] Nobody's on the that bus.
[2:46:14] They discontinued the service.
[2:46:16] This isn't a viable transport
[2:46:17] idea, we don't have the
[2:46:18] infrastructure yet.
[2:46:20] I like that this company
[2:46:22] continues to mention the good
[2:46:24] that it will do to the
[2:46:24] community.
[2:46:25] Y like the public service
[2:46:27] offsets that they're sucking.
[2:46:29] And that's -- suggesting, and
[2:46:29] that's all good.
[2:46:30] The bones aren't there yet.
[2:46:31] We just got the golf course.
[2:46:34] We just got the ifas land.
[2:46:35] Ifas will have trails and they
[2:46:36] will do extension and they will
[2:46:40] do teaching in that 500-acre
[2:46:40] forest.
[2:46:41] I taught for ifas for three
[2:46:43] years I promise you that will
[2:46:43] happen what they will not do is
[2:46:45] go to a neglected 20-acre
[2:46:47] forest, I'm sorry, 20-acre farm
[2:46:48] and say this is how farming is.
[2:46:49] Because it's not.
[2:46:52] You'll get one zucchini per
[2:46:56] household if a -- if you have a
[2:46:58] bumper crop on a 20-acre farm
[2:46:59] with 27 houses on it.
[2:47:00] I have pages of notes that I
[2:47:01] took during the 97 minutes that
[2:47:03] the other people got to talk
[2:47:04] about it.
[2:47:06] But the reality is I just, I
[2:47:07] don't see how this is
[2:47:08] sustainable for this county
[2:47:09] right now.
[2:47:10] We don't have the infrastructure
[2:47:11] in place for it, and I really
[2:47:12] don't want to put the cart
[2:47:13] before the horse bt I had to say
[2:47:14] something.
[2:47:15] >> chair: thank you, sam.
[2:47:22] All right next speaker.
[2:47:26] Anybody else?
[2:47:26] Okay.
[2:47:27] we'll go ahead and close public
[2:47:27] comment.
[2:47:29] Bring it back to the board.
[2:47:30] Commissioner wheeler, and then
[2:47:31] commissioner prizzia.
[2:47:33] >> very quickly.
[2:47:36] I understand the concerns a lot
[2:47:39] of us feel had those concerns.
[2:47:41] I've been working recently with
[2:47:42] three families who have large
[2:47:43] pieces of land.
[2:47:45] They're elderly people trying to
[2:47:46] decide what to diewbt
[2:47:48] -- what to
[2:47:48] do about that land to be
[2:47:51] responsible to their families.
[2:47:52] And to make sure that it gets
[2:47:55] into the right easement or the
[2:48:00] right conservation or the right
[2:48:01] use for that plan.
[2:48:02] 4,000 acres is a lot of land to
[2:48:03] try to decide what to do with.
[2:48:05] And so I feel like then working
[2:48:07] with the lee brothers and
[2:48:08] watching them struggle over
[2:48:09] laith years of trying to figure
[2:48:10] out had you -- eight years of
[2:48:11] trying to figure out what to do
[2:48:14] with take, how to take
[2:48:15] responsibility for this land not
[2:48:17] only for the community but for
[2:48:19] their own families as well, you
[2:48:20] know, a large piece of property
[2:48:22] like this could easily be sold
[2:48:24] to someone who would put an ai
[2:48:25] center there.
[2:48:26] This is exactly the kind of land
[2:48:28] those places are looking for,
[2:48:29] and some of these families are
[2:48:32] so desperate to get that
[2:48:34] property moved along that they
[2:48:37] would take the first best offer
[2:48:39] without doing the investigation,
[2:48:40] without doing the work that the
[2:48:43] lee brothers have done, so I
[2:48:46] just feel like that though I am
[2:48:49] also a water conservationist, I
[2:48:52] feel like that it's inevitable
[2:48:53] that these big properties are
[2:48:56] going to be sold to somebody,
[2:48:59] and so to be able to watch it be
[2:49:00] sold to who we've got now, this
[2:49:04] team of people who are trying to
[2:49:07] coordinate to the best possible
[2:49:08] creative resolution, this is why
[2:49:09] I'm supporting it.
[2:49:10] At this point.
[2:49:11] Thank you.
[2:49:12] >> chair: thank you,
[2:49:12] commissioner.
[2:49:14] Commissioner prizzia and then
[2:49:14] commissioner alford.
[2:49:17] And then I'll make the
[2:49:18] comments.
[2:49:19] >> first I think you might want
[2:49:22] to run for office some day,
[2:49:22] sir.
[2:49:25] But I follow in your uncle's
[2:49:26] foot steps but I guess what I
[2:49:29] want to say is I hear you loud
[2:49:31] you a little bit because I run a
[2:49:33] small farm on campus and we're
[2:49:35] only a quarter acre and we grow
[2:49:37] 15,000 pounds of food a year.
[2:49:38] We grow lots of food in a very
[2:49:40] small space and we feed a lot of
[2:49:41] people.
[2:49:42] And so you know it's possible
[2:49:44] with sustainable integrated
[2:49:45] agriculture to grow a lot of
[2:49:48] food in a small space.
[2:49:49] And so I don't know that it's
[2:49:52] just going to be one zucchini a
[2:49:53] household but I do hear you that
[2:49:55] at this is a farm that the's a
[2:49:56] very small -- this is a farm
[2:49:58] that is a very small piece of a
[2:49:59] residential and commercial
[2:49:59] development.
[2:50:01] And that that's being kind of
[2:50:03] focused on a lot when really
[2:50:04] this is about the bigger picture
[2:50:06] of developing a neighborhood and
[2:50:08] a community and a space that
[2:50:09] traditionally never had one and
[2:50:10] waserary rural but you know
[2:50:13] we're in a private property
[2:50:14] state in a private property
[2:50:17] country and people can develop
[2:50:18] their property, and as
[2:50:20] commissioners, we get the
[2:50:22] unenviable job of making the
[2:50:25] call about how that gets done
[2:50:27] and trying our very best to
[2:50:30] protect the natural resources,
[2:50:32] the public tax dollars, with
[2:50:35] efficient delivery of services
[2:50:37] to all of those residents that
[2:50:40] private entities decide to
[2:50:40] develop.
[2:50:42] And from my perspective I think
[2:50:43] we've done the very best that we
[2:50:45] can do to protect the natural
[2:50:47] resources that are out there, to
[2:50:48] get funding to be able to buy
[2:50:50] more of those beautiful wild
[2:50:54] spaces that aren't being used
[2:50:56] for agriculture, to actually
[2:51:00] protect more land in our county
[2:51:01] from development and at the same
[2:51:03] time allowing for a much more
[2:51:04] compact, much more efficient
[2:51:06] development of space for the
[2:51:08] delivery of services to what
[2:51:10] will ultimately be a more
[2:51:12] urbanized area and while it is
[2:51:14] technically outside our urban
[2:51:16] cluster, it is right on the edge
[2:51:18] and I know that this you know we
[2:51:19] are very cognizant of the fact
[2:51:20] that we don't want this to be a
[2:51:22] leap frog situation.
[2:51:24] We've done the analysis to look
[2:51:26] at all the other parcels around
[2:51:27] it to make sure thus
[2:51:28] this can't
[2:51:30] be a hop hop hop with the
[2:51:31] agriculture enclaves built with
[2:51:32] a lot ofort or -- bill, with a
[2:51:35] lot of other pieces, I can staff
[2:51:36] have worked hard to make sure
[2:51:37] this is a unique circumstance in
[2:51:40] a unique area, and you know I
[2:51:43] didn't want to like it either.
[2:51:44] To be totally honest with you.
[2:51:47] You know, I really didn't.
[2:51:49] And I still feel like it's one
[2:51:51] of the hardest votes that I've
[2:51:53] ever had to make to vote for
[2:51:55] 2700 homes on what used to be
[2:51:57] conservation land and farmland.
[2:51:59] But I do think that it, if it's
[2:52:00] going to be developed, this is
[2:52:02] the best way it can possibly be
[2:52:03] developed.
[2:52:03] And I just wanted to share that
[2:52:05] with you since you took the time
[2:52:07] to come up here and speak to
[2:52:07] us.
[2:52:08] Thank you.
[2:52:10] And to epac we appreciate your
[2:52:11] comments and my comments are
[2:52:14] also to epac, we appreciate your
[2:52:16] input and we agree with you in a
[2:52:18] lot of ways but I think the
[2:52:19] things that staff have put in
[2:52:21] place around irrigation
[2:52:22] protections, around fertilizer
[2:52:23] protections, around ground
[2:52:24] penetrating radar, that will
[2:52:26] help us in looking to see if
[2:52:28] there are any geological
[2:52:30] resources that we need to
[2:52:31] protect.
[2:52:32] I think most of the developer --
[2:52:35] both the developer and the staff
[2:52:37] have done a really good job to
[2:52:37] build something that we can all
[2:52:38] be proud of.
[2:52:39] >> chair: thank you,
[2:52:39] commissioner.
[2:52:41] Commissioner alford.
[2:52:42] >> yeah, you know, I started
[2:52:43] getting involved with the county
[2:52:46] by being the chair of epac, and
[2:52:50] so I, I I understand where epac
[2:52:50] comes from.
[2:52:51] I would like to invite the
[2:52:53] developer to meet with epac.
[2:52:54] Epac is our environmental
[2:52:59] protection advisory board, and
[2:53:01] they, they are some of the most,
[2:53:04] some of the most talented
[2:53:05] environmental folks in our
[2:53:06] county, and I think that it
[2:53:08] would be great to meet with them
[2:53:11] and address their concerns
[2:53:11] directly.
[2:53:13] Because I think that would be, I
[2:53:19] would love to be magnificence
[2:53:20] even be there for the -- maybe
[2:53:23] even be there for the meeting
[2:53:28] and then the trojan horse idea.
[2:53:29] I added it up.
[2:53:32] In my backyard I have 300 square
[2:53:34] feet of garden, and I have more
[2:53:37] than I can eat and share and
[2:53:38] whatever put away in jars.
[2:53:40] But I also have a lot of fruit
[2:53:42] trees all over my property.
[2:53:44] And other things that have --
[2:53:46] you know, integrated that are
[2:53:49] outside of what I consider, you
[2:53:50] know, the part that I farm, so
[2:53:54] to speak, and that's what I'm
[2:53:54] hoping that this development
[2:54:01] will also have is that you know
[2:54:02] integrated agricultural thought
[2:54:04] process throughout the whole
[2:54:05] development so I wanted to say
[2:54:06] that.
[2:54:08] And then there is one more
[2:54:08] thing.
[2:54:09] Nope.
[2:54:11] I think that's all I need to say
[2:54:13] right now but again, appreciate
[2:54:15] your comments.
[2:54:16] Understand exactly where you're
[2:54:17] coming from because that's where
[2:54:20] I started.
[2:54:20] So.
[2:54:21] >> chair: thank you,
[2:54:22] commissioner.
[2:54:23] So like mary alford said about
[2:54:25] victor dover she's known you her
[2:54:27] whole life.
[2:54:28] >> not mi whole life.
[2:54:29] >> you didn't say that.
[2:54:30] >> no, no, no, for a long time.
[2:54:32] >> okay, for a long, long time.
[2:54:32] >> yeah.
[2:54:34] >> chair: well I --
[2:54:35] >> for my whole professional
[2:54:35] life.
[2:54:37] >> well I have known sam
[2:54:38] literally his whole life.
[2:54:41] Not my whole life and so he is
[2:54:43] in the cornell family we teach
[2:54:44] people to speak their mind, and
[2:54:47] let's have the debate and so sam
[2:54:48] thanks for being here.
[2:54:49] Appreciate your comments.
[2:54:53] Let me tell you when I got
[2:54:55] comments from many folks that
[2:54:58] were not in favor of this, I
[2:54:59] really respected those
[2:54:59] comments.
[2:55:01] You know, and some of those
[2:55:03] folks are some of my largest
[2:55:06] supporters like mary said, and
[2:55:09] then this weekend I heard from
[2:55:11] well over 50 to 75 other folks
[2:55:13] many of those folks I know and
[2:55:16] they are in largely in support
[2:55:17] of this project one of them is
[2:55:20] sam your neighbor roger and --
[2:55:22] christian so they -- they sent
[2:55:25] in an email and so it was really
[2:55:25] interesting because there were
[2:55:27] so many folks that are so close
[2:55:29] to this project that are in
[2:55:31] favor of it which really to your
[2:55:35] point, commissioner, is a
[2:55:37] testament to how austin and his
[2:55:39] team have brought this forward
[2:55:39] to us.
[2:55:41] You know, I didn't know austin
[2:55:43] before this but what I have
[2:55:45] learned about him is that he is
[2:55:47] a land owner, he is a farmer.
[2:55:48] More importantly though he is a
[2:55:51] person in our community that
[2:55:53] wants to have and build
[2:55:55] something that he's proud of,
[2:55:57] and we don't get a lot of
[2:55:57] developers that stand up here
[2:55:59] and spend that amount of time
[2:56:01] and energy and resources to
[2:56:04] really engage a community with.
[2:56:06] Here is my idea wut
[2:56:08] but are
[2:56:08] there other ones out there.
[2:56:10] And he has worked with what I
[2:56:11] think is the best staff in the
[2:56:12] state and they are tough.
[2:56:13] They say if you want to do
[2:56:15] something new, it's going to
[2:56:17] have to kind of well it's going
[2:56:18] to have to be consistent with
[2:56:20] our plan.
[2:56:21] and so let me tell you what I
[2:56:24] like about it.
[2:56:26] Policy 8.6.6.9 integration with
[2:56:27] conservation lands and research
[2:56:29] assets we have an opportunity
[2:56:30] with the premiere research
[2:56:32] institution of the state and we
[2:56:34] will be pushing them to put the
[2:56:37] strategic ecosystems into some
[2:56:38] conservation but we have an
[2:56:40] opportunity to work with a
[2:56:42] flagship university, the best in
[2:56:43] the tontry in my opinion and
[2:56:45] that's -- country in my opinion
[2:56:46] and that's part of our policy
[2:56:47] that we will be transmitting.
[2:56:49] Working farm as a community
[2:56:51] anchor I had never seen that did
[2:56:56] have a chance to go down and see
[2:56:56] new field.
[2:56:59] I love the concept.
[2:57:01] Hopefully we can get some of the
[2:57:02] things that you are concerned
[2:57:04] about as our farmer on the
[2:57:06] commission and I know the land
[2:57:07] owner is interested in doing
[2:57:08] that as well.
[2:57:10] I love that that policy is a
[2:57:11] community anchor.
[2:57:12] Moabilityd.
[2:57:14] We are literally -- mobility.
[2:57:14] We are literally creating a
[2:57:17] mobility district, completely
[2:57:18] comprehensive plan and the
[2:57:21] growth is going to fund itself.
[2:57:22] We're not asking our existing
[2:57:25] taxpayers to fund the mobility
[2:57:26] plan, the developer and the
[2:57:30] neighborhood is going to fund
[2:57:30] it.
[2:57:31] 8.6.6.13, transfer of
[2:57:32] development rights and
[2:57:36] affordability.
[2:57:37] Favor of and asking developers
[2:57:39] to bring affordable housing they
[2:57:41] are voluntarily doing it.
[2:57:43] I heard tonight that it's going
[2:57:45] to be consistent with the
[2:57:46] phasing of the development.
[2:57:48] I can't wait to read that policy
[2:57:49] in the pd.
[2:57:50] I think that's going to be
[2:57:51] great.
[2:57:53] But we are confining --
[2:57:56] combining the density, getting
[2:57:58] 4,000 acres well 3,000 acres
[2:58:00] into conservation or management
[2:58:02] through ifas, we're going to
[2:58:05] have conservation in the
[2:58:08] 997 acres, and through the tdr
[2:58:09] that the developer and staff
[2:58:10] came up with, we're going to be
[2:58:13] able to acquire an additional
[2:58:16] 5,000 acres and put that into
[2:58:16] conservation.
[2:58:17] Heability happened since I have
[2:58:18] been -- hasn't happened since I
[2:58:19] have been on the board and I
[2:58:20] don't know if it's happened
[2:58:23] previous to me, very often.
[2:58:24] I see one of our folks that
[2:58:29] helped us write the plan three
[2:58:30] decades ago so I guess I'll ask
[2:58:31] him after this hearing soei
[2:58:33] really love that.
[2:58:34] To me that's staff and the
[2:58:35] developer working on hey you
[2:58:37] want to do something outside the
[2:58:37] urban cluster?
[2:58:39] It's got to be pretty special
[2:58:41] and I really appreciate staff's
[2:58:41] work and the developer for
[2:58:44] working with our staff.
[2:58:47] The land disturbance piece, that
[2:58:48] policy, 8.6.6.14 we have talked
[2:58:49] to developers about don't just
[2:58:50] clear cut everything it's
[2:58:55] actually in the policy.
[2:58:58] The 8.6.6.16 policy water
[2:58:59] conservation and lawn water use
[2:59:00] landscaping again you heard
[2:59:05] stacy say this is really a
[2:59:05] model -- haven't had a developer
[2:59:07] want to work with us on that
[2:59:10] level, and I think you know they
[2:59:16] worked with us in adopting the
[2:59:17] study so that's something
[2:59:18] they're following through on.
[2:59:18] Is it perfect?
[2:59:19] No.
[2:59:19] i think we have a real
[2:59:21] opportunity to make it perfect
[2:59:22] at the pd.
[2:59:26] And I know that with MR. Dover,
[2:59:28] with the army of experts that
[2:59:32] have been involved in this
[2:59:32] process for the last year with
[2:59:34] the community's input and with
[2:59:35] what I think is the best staff
[2:59:37] in the state, I think we're
[2:59:38] going to have a really special
[2:59:41] thing to look at in a couple of
[2:59:42] months with the pd.
[2:59:44] So I am in favor of the motion.
[2:59:45] Really appreciate all the work
[2:59:47] that our staff has put into it
[2:59:48] and all the work that the
[2:59:50] community has put into it.
[2:59:51] And with that, is there any
[2:59:52] further discussion before we
[2:59:54] take a vote?
[2:59:54] Okay.
[2:59:56] All those in favor of the motion
[2:59:59] on the floor, say aye.
[3:00:00] Anyone opposed?
[3:00:01] All right that motion is
[3:00:03] unanimous.
[3:00:03] So congratulations.
[3:00:06] We'll see you for the next four
[3:00:07] years and certainly in the next
[3:00:09] couple of months.
[3:00:10] [Laughter]
[3:00:10] Okay?
[3:00:11] All right.
[3:00:12] >> we'll see him for longer than
[3:00:12] that.
[3:00:14] >> yeah, yeah, well I mean, not
[3:00:16] building a house until 2029 is
[3:00:17] what I saw so there is going to
[3:00:21] be lot more of these meetings
[3:00:22] and I think yeah.
[3:00:23] >> that concludes our meeting
[3:00:24] because we've already had our
[3:00:25] commission comment.
[3:00:25] Chuck, did you have something
[3:00:28] you want to add?
[3:00:28] >> yeah.
[3:00:31] Something different though.
[3:00:32] Totally.
[3:00:34] Over the weekend, I was yeah, i
[3:00:35] was going through my e-mails, I
[3:00:37] was playing catch-up I'll be
[3:00:40] honest with you, and I ran
[3:00:44] across a whistleblower in
[3:00:46] reference to it says
[3:00:48] administrative mismanagement and
[3:00:50] a resume fraud.
[3:00:52] Confidential whistleblower
[3:00:53] disclosure and it gives the
[3:00:55] state statute, and it says the
[3:00:58] office of county clerk of the
[3:01:00] court comptroller and he is
[3:01:02] asking for an audit of the
[3:01:05] alachua county board of county
[3:01:07] commissioners county managers
[3:01:10] office, the formal report of
[3:01:12] administrative mismanagement
[3:01:14] recruitment policy violation,
[3:01:17] and a material resume fraud
[3:01:20] within alachua county human
[3:01:20] resources.
[3:01:21] So I don't know if this is
[3:01:22] true.
[3:01:23] I want to know what's going on
[3:01:24] here.
[3:01:27] I thought with whistleblower, I
[3:01:27] want to give it to staff but I
[3:01:28] want to know what's going on if
[3:01:31] we have whistleblower stuff, I
[3:01:32] mean, if I hadn't caught this,
[3:01:34] this would've been dead.
[3:01:35] I don't think anybody else --
[3:01:37] >> did come on email?
[3:01:38] >> it was in email.
[3:01:40] It was in our e-mails, yes,
[3:01:40] ma'am.
[3:01:43] >> I saw it.
[3:01:45] >> I forwarded it to.
[3:01:46] >> forwarded it to the
[3:01:47] attorney.
[3:01:47] >> yeah.
[3:01:48] >> but I haven't heard anything
[3:01:49] though.
[3:01:50] I mean so that's why I'm
[3:01:52] bringing it and I will give it
[3:01:52] to the clerk.
[3:01:56] >> hand it to him.
[3:01:57] >> yeah, because I just want to
[3:02:00] know I mean if we're having
[3:02:03] whistleblowers tell us something
[3:02:04] policies, I think it's important
[3:02:07] that we know not that I have to
[3:02:08] keep constantly looking,
[3:02:09] looking, looking for stuff.
[3:02:10] That is not what I got elected
[3:02:12] to do, but I am going to look at
[3:02:15] my e-mails that when folks send
[3:02:18] them, so that's why that was
[3:02:19] important to me and I just want
[3:02:20] to bring that to the attention
[3:02:21] of you all.
[3:02:21] >> thank you, commissioner.
[3:02:22] Anything else?
[3:02:22] 92 that's it.
[3:02:23] >> that's it.
[3:02:23] >> all right.
[3:02:25] You all, we are adjourned.