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Good morning. Welcome to the open session for the Keralkanic Commissioners for July 3, on the day before July 4, which I'm sure everybody will mention.

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And like we always do, we'll start with the pledge of allegiance and...

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I'm going

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to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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And I think we start on the left.

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Okay,

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just want to share a happy 4th of July for all of our community, make it a happy

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and healthy and safe 4th of July.

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That's my priority right now.

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So, thank you.

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Well, good morning everybody.

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I'd like Commissioner Ross, you know, wanted to offer a couple of thoughts and reflections

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on the Fourth of July, for my priority, Carol today, with Independence Day being tomorrow

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and you want to state that you know, really I'm proud to be an American, and I'm so privileged

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to live in this country and this county, there is something quite different and quite unique

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about that combination of being an American and being a Carol County.

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And you know, part of it is certainly the American values that we've hold that were reflected

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in our Declaration of Independence, you know, our faith in God, from which everything else

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or natural rights, or liberty, all find their foundation.

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And these translated into values of faith,

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the family, community, compassion, hard work,

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all these different things form a part of what we know as home.

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Our founding fathers and all the members

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of that founding generation saw home the way that we see it.

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And they did not come to their decision

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to break off from great Britain easily,

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even with the overwhelming reasons to do it.

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And they knew from history that revolutions could

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and usually without exception did,

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bring about consequences far worse

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than what they were intended to alleviate in the first place.

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In their own lifetimes, for example, they saw what had happened in France with the terror

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and the Jacobins and the rise of Napoleon, and the wars that were reverberated for decades

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thereafter across Europe.

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But for our founders, through their education, their experiences, their understanding, they understood

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that it was moral truth, values, beliefs, things held in common, and recognizing human nature

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for what it was, it meant that the revolution was not enough, that the destination here was

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to matter just as much as the journey, and the Declaration of Independence wasn't just a signal

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to the world that we were stepping off from Great Britain on our own, but it was a record

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of why of enshrining the truths, the principles, the things that despite human nature and human

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differences, it would help not only unite and guide us, but keep us united and keep us guided

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together. And these things that are reflected, these things we find reflected in the nature and order

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of our constitution and our system of government, you know, that we have here really is truly

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unique.

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And it was because our founders recognized that all of these things about home mattered

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and they understood that there was an intervening working of divine providence and that,

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you know, we didn't descend into what the ancient Greece called, Anosyclosis, where the constant

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tumult that was brought about by frequent revolutions.

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You know, we really do owe our founding fathers, our founding generation and debt, and it is

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debt that each generation has to seek to settle, there's such a debt really can never truly

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be satisfied. You know that we are able to self-determine to self-correct, that we have the

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freedom to seek to be better than who we were the day before, while consistently sustaining

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our order is exceptional. It really hasn't happened much in the history of the world and the way

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that we've done it really has been unique. And despite that, it is very tenuous. It depends on us

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on each of us take hold of the responsibility to understand and to maintain.

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In our history as a country we have been a force for good, as each generation of Americans

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is taking hold of that responsibility and have extended our founding dream through the very

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course of time.

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You know, I really am proud to be a Carol County and really am proud to be an American

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and I would not have it any other way.

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So happy birthday America and God bless.

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That's it for me this morning.

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Mr. Garden.

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Good morning.

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Thank you.

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Following my colleagues comments, one of which everybody happy and say fourth, just be careful

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out there.

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Obviously, don't want to see too many people get injured with fireworks or any other situations,

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but please just be careful.

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Do you want to mention real quickly that sort of a follow-up from the incident that

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I occurred at the hospital yesterday.

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There were several individuals that had been treated due to an asphalt collapse.

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I want to send a heartfelt thanks to both our first responders and also the medical personnel assisting those injured.

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Fortunately, it was not as severe a situation it could have been and just truly grateful for that and want to thank all those involved.

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As we are very fortunate it was not much more significant.

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Also, one to mention, just briefly recently had joined Ryan Millhorn, the Supervisor's

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Secondary Schools, our social studies and educators visiting a number of historic sites,

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including Historical Society of Carol County.

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We met with the former students and friends of Robert Moten, and also visited the

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Elzeroth Cemetery.

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I think it's wonderful that Carol County Public Schools does what they do so best, which

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is including the living history in our community with our educators so it can be shared with

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the students and it's not just dates and facts but actually living history within the

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communities.

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I just wanted to thank them for being included with that.

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Also just wanted to congratulate Dr. Patricia Dorsey on being named the recipient of the

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25 Joseph R. Baylor Award for McDaniel College.

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It's quite a recognition, so just wanted to congratulate.

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And also wanted to mention that one of Carol County's own has been added to Governor Moore has put assistant chief of EMS Air Exainey appointed to Governor Moore from the Maryland Metro Fire Chief's representation for statewide emergency medical services advisory council, so just wanted to congratulate Chief Zainey on that.

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and obviously he'll do both the state and also Carroll County proud.

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And last but certainly not least for those interested

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that have agricultural properties the years now opening

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for the agricultural land preservation program

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is accepting new applications for the cycle

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and are beginning July 1 through August 30th, 2025.

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So good opportunity if you're looking

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to consider that for your agricultural property.

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And that's all for me this morning.

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Thank you.

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Good morning, Carroll County.

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Yeah, happy Independence Day. Tomorrow we'll start the countdown to our 250th anniversary, and it'll be a privilege to be sitting up here on this board as we get ready for that event.

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This evening looks like great weather, so if you're down in the mountain area, you're looking forward to this fireworks, which are always very, very good.

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It's also volunteer firemen carnival, volunteer fire company carnival season, and wind fields starts July 7th, that's a Monday, so I hope to see everybody out there.

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And then lastly, I hope if you've hope everybody can try to tune in and catch my podcast from last week.

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It was a podcast that turned into a video cast.

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I hosted the Carroll County State's Attorney Haven Schumaker for a really, I really enjoyed having him over here, and I want to thank him for the time.

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So if you've got a chance please go ahead and check it out on social media on our county website or county YouTube channel, and that's all for me

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Thank you guys

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Yes, and July third

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And I always like to say I love Carol County and

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Needless to say I love

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the United States also we're going through some good times and

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It'll be interesting

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thing. We did meet with Carol Health Department, we do a monthly meeting there which helps

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our communication.

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They mentioned carnivals and volunteer fire companies. Manchester is

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going on this week. I think Mount Ayrie got hit with some rough weather. Manchester was

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okay except Parade night. They did cancel the parade and they canceled the carnival that

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tonight, tonight's their fireworks, and so yet please support them, they, all the volunteer

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fire companies need every penny they can get for volunteer services they provide us, and

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it's a shame, and the weather can't be perfect, but between the heat and then the thunderstorms

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been rough on on this year so far. Fourth of July tomorrow, a great national holiday, a great

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family day and for the the Kyler family we just we took to the airport yesterday the last two

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granddaughters to fly back to Denver so Mimi Summer Camp is over we had all six of them different

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time periods, and did a lot of activities with them, rock climbing, carnivals, all kinds

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of stuff, so it's, and I think Commissioner Gordon already mentioned it, have a safe

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holiday tomorrow, have a great family day and a great celebration day, fireworks can be

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dangerous, driving.

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We've seen that a lot of accidents in the last week or so, Sullivan Road seems to be an ugly

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intersection and a couple others. It's it's multiple accidents at the same locations and

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as much as I'd like to bang on intersections and traffic lights and traffic circles and various things

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state highway or Carroll County highway. Some of it is just patience. Sullivan Road seems to have

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both ways and be patient pulling out, and I think people aren't, and that's a shame because

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vehicles can wreak havoc.

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So thank you very much.

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And now we want to talk about the HUD five-year plan and annual plan.

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Morning, everybody.

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Good.

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Good.

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Good.

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Good morning, commissioners.

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and happy Fourth of July to all of you as well.

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I am Celine Steckle on the Director's Citizen Services

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with Carol County Government.

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And Danielle Yates is our Bureau Chief of Housing and Community Connections

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and Paul Moffitt is our Housing Manager.

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They're joining me today as we are here

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requesting approval to display our public housing

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authorities five year plan in fiscal year,

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for fiscal year's 2025 through 2025,

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as well as our previously approved annual plan

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for fiscal year 25.

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And we are seeking public comment for a 45 day period as well.

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And we're also requesting to schedule the public hearing

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at the end of that comment period.

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I know you all have been privy to us

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before you regarding our annual housing plan

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and the five year plan that accompanies that on this past year.

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We are just back before you today as a requirement

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had has noted that in order for them to approve

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are plan, they noted that they're requiring us to complete a step this step again, because

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they said that our advertisement did not specifically note the words five-year plan. It surrounded

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the annual plan wording, and they wanted to make sure that we advertise this correctly.

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There are no changes to what we had done. We are just back before you to ask that we go

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out again for a 45-day period and advertise this in except public comment. The five-year

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plan has been advertised in the past on our website, but we will do this step again to make

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or that we're meeting other advertisement requirements for the plan.

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And Danielle has a couple more pieces she wants to add for detail.

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Thank you.

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Good morning, commissioners.

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So, silly notes, we're here today to receive permission to post the 45 day notice of public hearing for public housing authorities five year plan, which is for here,

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2025 to 2029.

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The five year plan outlines the agency's goals, strategies and policies for providing affordable housing and addressing the needs of our low income families in our community.

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The five-year plan is to strategic document that outlines the long-term goals and objectives of our public housing authority for over a five-year period.

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Our agency has reviewed an updated current submission goals and objectives to ensure that they align both with current federal and state regulation as well as our local government.

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Carol County Housing and Community Developed's mission is to promote adequate and affordable housing

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economic opportunity and suitable living environments for free of discrimination to eligible

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low and moderately low income families who live or work in Carol County, Maryland.

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Carol County Housing serves, strives to encourage economic self-sufficiency among participating families

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managing resources efficiently. With your permission today we will

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get post the five year plan for the year 2025 to 2029 along with our

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streamlined annual plan for the fiscal year 2025 for public review and

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comment with the public hearing set for August 28th of 2025. Are there

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additional questions that you may have we could answer for you today?

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Or should you, I'm sorry.

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The family slips through the cracks because you have to now make this five-year plan, I mean.

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It was always a five-year plan and this is the first year of the new updated five-year plan.

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But when we put the advertisement into the newspaper, that advertisement didn't specifically have the five-year wording in it.

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So, Greg Maglain, I mean, nobody's really affected.

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So, but we have a formal denial on the plan until we make the step and correct it.

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Motion to approve the display of the HUD-5-year plan for fiscal year 2025 to 29,

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and the annual plan for fiscal year 2025 for public review and comments.

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And now, it's the public hearing prior to August 28, 2025 to consider approval

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to submit the 5-year plan FY-2025 to 29, which includes the FY-25 annual plan to HUD.

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Second, I have a motion in a second, any further questions or discussion?

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All those of favor?

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Thank you.

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Excellent.

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Thank you, guys.

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Now, approval to purchase Lenko Barricott,

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morning gentlemen.

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The Office of Procurement and Cooperation with the Bureau of Fleet Management and Warehouse

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Operations for Coesture approval to purchase one Lenko Barricott G3 Tactical Armored Vehicle from

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Lenko Armored Vehicles for the Carroll County Sheriff's Office.

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and the amount of $449,422.

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This purchase will be made utilizing an HGAC by contract,

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which was competitively but this amount is approved

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in the fiscal year 26 budget.

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Good morning.

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So this Armored Vehicle is a replacement

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of an Armored Vehicle that we've had in our fleet

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for almost 20 years now.

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It's been very problematic.

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And any time we want to go use it almost, it seems like it gives us some issues.

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But we do, we do get a good use out of it, and we do need something for this in the future.

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And that's why the Sheriff's Department is looking for a new one.

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How long do we figure the new one would come in before you launch?

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How many?

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18, 18, 18 months.

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Motion to approve the purchase of one Lenko Barricad G3 Tactical Armored Vehicle from Lenko

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Armored Vehicles, or the Carol County Sheriff's Department, in the amount of 449,400

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two dollars. Second.

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I have a motion. Do I have a second? Second.

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I'd like to mention one thing.

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We make these motions. We look at purchasing things. And sometimes we do it very quickly. Sometimes

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we discuss it more. But most of these items were discussed for many minutes during the budget

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session to decide that it would be in the budget so this could happen. So I know we get a couple

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emails on like, well, you know, you guys just quickly voted on that. Well, we've discussed it

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for months. You're a very good point commissioner. Very good. Any further discussion or questions?

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All those in favor? Aye. Opposed. Thank you. Thank you. Now a contract approval for commissioning

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services

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morning morning the office of procurement and cooperation with the Bureau of Building

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Construction and Requesture approval to award a contract for the construction phase commissioning

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services for citizen services family shelter to RMF engineering and the amount of 51,10144 dollars

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in 18 cents. This purchase will be made via caro county term contract 1210 that was competitively

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this purchase is within the fiscal year 26 approved budget.

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Good morning commissioners.

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So this is for the family shelter, which I know you're all aware of.

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This is just standard construction practice.

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We are rocking them all over there.

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So the contractor hasn't told December, but right now we're looking to hopefully open a couple of months sooner.

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So this is perfect timing to bring our commissioning agent on and just

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make sure the mechanical electrical and plumbing systems are all running smoothly

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before we move into the space.

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Motion to approve the contract for the construction phase

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commissioning services to R&F engineers in the amount of $51,1014 and $18.

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Second. Have a motion in a second. Any questions or discussion?

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All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Thank you. Thank you. Now we're going to discuss

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Approval to purchase seven four trucks morning again morning again

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The office procurement and cooperation with the Bureau of Fleet Management and warehouse operations

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Request your approval to purchase seven

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2025 Ford F-150 trucks from hertric fleet services in the amount of

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342,547 dollars. This purchase will be made from a Howard Coward and the contract that Carol County will utilize

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It's about is within the fiscal year 26 proof budget.

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These seven units consist of six pursued rated vehicles and one civilian rated up 150.

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They are all replacement vehicles and they have been upgraded from the vehicles that

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they are replacing to be a little bit more versatile for pursuit and special usage.

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They will replace five explorers, one Tahoe, one Chevy 2,500 long bed pick-up.

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They're for the critical response team, the warrant unit, the drone unit, the crime scene, and the investigators unit.

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And then the last ones for commercial vehicle enforcement to do special events and camp cops.

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The pursuit rate of pick-ups will be utilized for daily specific patrol functions with the ability to carry equipment

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for that's required for specialized usage.

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Specifications have been carefully analyzed to upgrading

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and getting more usage out of the vehicles.

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Once the current units are decommissioned,

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they are expected to bring $5 to $7,000 of option.

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Motion to approve the purchase of 720.25F.

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Ford F-150 shrubs on her church.

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The

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office of procurement cooperation with the Division of Solid Ways for Quest Board Board of Commissioners approval.

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of an FY26 environmental monitoring program

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work order with Maryland environmental service

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in the amount of $339,934 and $14.

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Work includes permit and regulatory required environmental monitoring

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at northern landfill, landfill, and foreclosed landfills.

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Funds are included in the approved FR-26 SWF operating budget.

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No additional funds will be necessary.

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Good morning, commissioners.

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Merlin Environmental Service was created by the Merlin General Assembly in 1970, with the

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purposes of helping jurisdictions with solid waste, water waste, water, water, and other

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environmental management programs.

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MES has been performing routine and on-call environmental monitoring services for Carol

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County since 1996 under an intergovernmental agreement that was updated in 2024.

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The services performed under that IGA include permit and regulatory required sampling, analysis

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reporting for groundwater, surface water, and pretty much everything in environmental

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are more than landfill and are for closed landfills.

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They also provide support services related to this program should they be required.

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The fiscal 26 program to be performed by MES, as James has said, is 339,000, 934 dollars,

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14 cents. It's about a 7% decrease from fiscal 25 primarily to a reduction of PFAS monitoring costs.

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Funds are included in the approved fiscal 26 budget, and we respectfully request approval.

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Motion to approve a work order with Maryland Environmental Service in the amount of 339,000, 934 dollars and 14 cents or FY26 environmental monitoring service.

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the Northern Hoodsville, John O'Wings Park Hill, and Hodges Landfills.

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Second, have a motion of a second. Any questions or discussion? All those in favour?

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I oppose. Thank you. Now, contract renewal for engineering services.

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The Office of Procurement Cooperation with the Division of Solid Ways requires your approval to renew the

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yearly solid waste engineering services contract with the Northeast Maryland Ways disposal authority.

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In the amount of $255,277 in 28 cents services provided are for landfill gas system operations,

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monitoring and maintenance funds for the scope of work are approved in the FY26 budget.

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Okay, in 2023, the Northeastern Maryland Ways disposal authority solicited proposals for consultants

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to perform solid waste and environmental engineering on behalf of member jurisdictions.

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That is, contract work includes providing term and on-call services on an as needed or an ongoing basis.

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12 engineering consultants were retained by the authority over that procurement for us jurisdictions to use.

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So in fiscal 23, we engaged with Stern's Conrad and Schmidt, otherwise known as SES engineering,

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through that above mentioned contract to perform landfill gas, system operations, maintenance, and monitoring

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at Northern landfill, hoods mill and John Owings landfills.

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Those are the three landfills that have active gas collection systems.

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SES has performed that work for the county for well over ten years.

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They're a recognized technical expert in the field of landfill gas management

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and have been a wonderful partner for us.

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Therefore, respectfully request Board approval to renew the contract for fiscal 26

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in the amount of $255,277 in 28 cents, and as noted the funds are approved in the fiscal

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26 budget.

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Motion to renew the solid waste engineering services contract for Northeast and Maryland

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waste disposal authority for FY 2026 in the amount of $255,277 in 28 cents.

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I have a motion and a second. Any questions or discussion? All those in favor?

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I oppose.

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Thank you.

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And now we're going to talk about approval to purchase pavement testing and re-election recommendations.

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Good morning and morning.

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Good morning.

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The Office of Precurement and Cooperation with the Bureau of Engineering request you're approval to use the existing term contract with a connole and Lawrence incorporated to evaluate and provide pavement testing and rehabilitation recommendations in the amount of 77,220 dollars.

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Conno and Lawrence Incorporated was previously awarded a term contract that was competitively bid the amount is approved in the FY26 budget

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This evaluation of 63

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roadways totaling 32 miles

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Will consist of visual condition surveys non-destructive testing pavement courting material sampling and subgrade soil

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classification and some laboratory testing of soils if needed the final report

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is what we use to develop our pavement repair strategies for next year's paving projects.

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And we expect to have that report in the fall of 2025.

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Motion to approve the Department of Public Works to utilize term contract with O'Connell

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and Lawrence Incorporated for FY26 pavement testing and rehabilitation recommendations in the

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amount of $77,220.

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Second.

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I will motion in a second. Any questions or discussion? I have one question. And I assume

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this 77,000 saves us money and design and picking what we're going to do at each

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road and make some less longer or what's what's the worthwhile?

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Yeah, even if we added, if we paved an additional inch of asphalt where we didn't need to

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based on the soil classifications that would save the 77,000

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or vice versa.

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If we didn't pay that inch that we needed to,

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or add the additional inch, the patching

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that we would have to go back and repairs

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would cost more than $77,000.

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Thank you.

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Any further questions, discussion?

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All those favor?

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Now for the Board of Elections,

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Approved what a purchase furniture?

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Good morning.

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The office of procurement and cooperation with the Board of Elections requests your approval

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to purchase furniture for the new Board of Elections warehouse and office from Duran

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Incorporated in the amount of 265,194 dollars and 95 cents.

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This purchase will be made via a Atlantic purchasing team cooperative contract that was competitively

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bid.

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The amount is within the FY26 budget.

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Yep, so our bureau is working with Board of Elections to fit out the new space.

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So this is the furniture package.

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We did our final punch walk a couple weeks ago, so they should be moving in the next couple

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weeks, a couple of months, kind of a scattered move in, but we're ready to go for them.

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Motion to approve of the purchase of furniture for the new Board of Elections of Warehouse

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and Office from Doron Incorporated in the amount of 265,194 dollars and 95 cents.

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second. Have a motion in a second. Any discussion or questions? All those in favor?

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Aye. Opposed. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Now a approval purchase at

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a House of Warbearance Maintenance, Warren, a concrete floor installation.

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Morning, gentlemen. Good morning, person. Morning.

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The Office of Procurement and Cooperation with the Department of Recreation and Parks

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request your approval to purchase the installation of a concrete floor for bare branch

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nature center from Superior Facility Management Services LLC in the amount of 48,876 dollars.

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The amount is approved in the FY206 budget. The present floor of the barn is dirt and it's never

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conducive for clean and efficient materials vehicle and equipment storage. So we wish to put

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in the concrete floor.

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Motion to approve the purchase for the installation of a concrete floor for

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bare branch and nature center from Superior Facility Management Services LLC and the amounts of 48,000

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in the 76 dollars.

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Second, have a motion of second, any questions or discussion?

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All those in favor?

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Aye.

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Opposed.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Now, contract renewal for our maintenance and support for the Mitchell Humphrey Financial Management

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System.

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We're in.

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Good morning.

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How are you?

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Good.

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Good.

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Good.

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Good.

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of procurement and cooperation with technology services requests you're approval to renew the contract

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for maintenance and support for the Metro Humphrey Financial Management System in the amount of

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66,115 dollars. The amount is approved in the FY26 budget.

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So FMS is the, is used by every department to track and manage the expenditures and is used for

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all county government financial accounting functions. Motion to approve the contract renewal for

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and support for the Mitchell Humphrey Financial Management System in the amount of 66,115 dollars.

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Have a motion and a second. Any questions or discussion?

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All those in favour?

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Opposed.

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Thank you.

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Now contract renewal for PDS, VISTA, Maintenance and Licenses.

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The Office of Recurment and Cooperation with the Department of Technology Services

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request your approval to renew the contract with PDS for VISTA maintenance and licenses in the

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amount of $36,898.71. PDS is a current term contractor. The amount is within the FY26 adopted

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budget. So, VISTA is the enterprise software application that supports the county's payroll, employment,

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benefits, recruiting, and other human resources functions. Again, like with the previous one,

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All county agencies and government partners are included with benefits of administration for

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library and the main society also provided in VISTA.

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Motion to approve the contractor newwealth PDS for VISTA maintenance and licenses in the

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amount of 36,898 dollars in 71 cents.

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Have a motion in a second.

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Any questions or discussion?

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All those in favor?

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Opposed?

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Thank you.

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Now we'll talk about court smart support services contract renewal.

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The Office of Recrement and Cooperation with the Department of Technology Services

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Request your approval to renew the contract with court smart for system support services

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and the amount of $46,122.45.

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This amount is approved in the FY26 budget.

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So, the court smart is Carroll County Circuit Court's additional recording system.

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Court Smart is used in every district court, as well as the majority of circuit courts throughout the state of Maryland.

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Motion to renew the contract with Court Smart for System Support Services in the amount of 46,122 dollars and 45 cents.

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Have a motion the second. Any questions or discussion?

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All those in favor?

431
00:42:35,490 --> 00:42:35,670
Aye.

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00:42:35,830 --> 00:42:36,370
Opposed.

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Thank you.

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Now contract renewal for a teletime system annual support.

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The Office of Procurement and Cooperation with the Department of Technology Services request

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your approval to renew the contract for a teletime system annual support with a teletime

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system's corporation in the amount of $31,710 in eight cents.

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The amount is approved in the FY26 adopted budget.

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So, in teletime system's corporation is the provider of our time and attendance software

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known as VTI. VTI is major component of the payroll HR system, currently undergoing implementation.

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The annual support includes support for software upgrades, patches, bug fixes, as well as support

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for hardware, batteries and integration.

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Motion to renew the contract for IntelliTimes System Annual Support with IntelliTimes System's

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Corporation in the amount of $31,700 and $8.

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Second.

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Have a motion in a second. Any questions or discussion?

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All those in favour?

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Aye.

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Opposed.

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Thank you.

451
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Thank you.

452
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Thank you.

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Now, renew of commercial insurance policy for, uh, essentially the fire stations.

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Morning again.

455
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Morning again.

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Morning.

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Morning.

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The office procurement cooperation with risk management requires your approval to renew the commercial insurance policies,

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which

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services in the amount of 734,425 dollars. This amount is approved in the FY26 budget.

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This insurance policy covers all of our, just like he said, the property, the buildings,

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the vehicles, as well as a second policy for the accident and health coverage for volunteers.

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In case they would be injured in the line of duty.

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Motion to approve the renewal of the

465
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:51,820
on property vehicles and liability to aligned insurance services in the amount of 734,425 dollars.

466
00:44:52,020 --> 00:44:52,160
Second.

467
00:44:52,620 --> 00:44:54,720
Have a motion and a second.

468
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,180
Is this a new vendor for this or same as you've been using?

469
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,780
This is a new vendor for the premiums that we're in towards, yeah, a new vendor.

470
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,140
Is it a one year contract?

471
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,940
Yes, it's going to be, it's a one year contract. We did piggyback this contract off of a Montgomery County one.

472
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:23,640
And they have one year remaining. I'm not too sure if they have any more renewals. I'd have to look, but they do have one year contract.

473
00:45:24,180 --> 00:45:26,760
So we'll have to re-bid it again next year.

474
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,940
Correct. Yeah. Okay. Any other questions or discussion?

475
00:45:32,420 --> 00:45:36,140
All those favor? I posed. Thank you.

476
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:46,190
Now we're new of commercial insurgency for volunteers employees at the stations.

477
00:45:47,710 --> 00:45:51,470
I'm sorry. This is for county employees. This is work runs.

478
00:45:51,830 --> 00:45:54,530
Right. Yeah, work runs come for county employees. Sorry.

479
00:45:54,970 --> 00:45:56,630
Yeah. Move in so fast.

480
00:45:57,430 --> 00:46:03,050
the office of procurement cooperation with risk management requires your approval to renew the

481
00:46:03,050 --> 00:46:07,890
excess workers compensation coverage policy for care accounting employees to RCM&D in the

482
00:46:07,890 --> 00:46:13,530
amount of $345,772. This amount is approved in the FY26 budget.

483
00:46:14,930 --> 00:46:21,670
So this policy covers the excess coverage. We are self-insured for the first 650,000. Once

484
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:27,310
claim reaches that amount than the excess policy, which is this policy picks up that amount.

485
00:46:27,390 --> 00:46:31,590
This is the first year that we are covering fire EMS for our self-insured policy,

486
00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:36,550
starts July 1st. So those employees will be covered under this policy, as well,

487
00:46:36,670 --> 00:46:38,270
if the claim reaches that amount.

488
00:46:40,420 --> 00:46:43,020
Motion to approve the renewal access workers compensation

489
00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:48,780
coverage policy to RCM and D in the amount of 345,772 dollars.

490
00:46:48,780 --> 00:46:55,020
Second, I have a motion in a second, and I'm sorry if I confused by reading the last

491
00:46:55,020 --> 00:46:55,760
agenda item.

492
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:02,740
But this is for counting employees that are not law enforcement or EMS.

493
00:47:05,250 --> 00:47:10,470
It covers them, it covers them all, so this is all counting employees.

494
00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:12,110
All counting employees, correct?

495
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:15,630
The last one was actually volunteer coverage.

496
00:47:15,650 --> 00:47:19,610
Yes, yes, for the volunteers, but now this covers everybody.

497
00:47:19,610 --> 00:47:25,090
I didn't use to be the first started fire EMS.

498
00:47:25,410 --> 00:47:29,630
We were not authorized for self-insurance for workmen's comp.

499
00:47:29,970 --> 00:47:37,110
We now are, and so this umbrella excess coverage covers now all staff.

500
00:47:39,390 --> 00:47:43,010
So, the self-insurance applies to everybody else so now.

501
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:43,350
Correct.

502
00:47:43,630 --> 00:47:48,630
They were covered fire EMS was previously covered under a commercial policy, so that has

503
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:52,510
discontinued as of June 30th.

504
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:56,950
Any questions discussion? All those

505
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:59,910
favour? I proposed. Thank you.

506
00:48:02,970 --> 00:48:05,330
Now, spending authority for funding claims

507
00:48:05,330 --> 00:48:10,350
processing account. The Office of Percurement Cooperation with Risk Management

508
00:48:10,350 --> 00:48:14,990
Request your approval to spend up to but not to exceed 140,000 to RCM&D for

509
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:19,510
funding the claims processing account this amount is approved in the FY26 budget.

510
00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:29,290
So, this is a pre-fund account where we fund the money, our CMD pays medical bills for

511
00:48:29,290 --> 00:48:30,090
a claimant.

512
00:48:30,210 --> 00:48:36,450
So, the injured worker, those claims go directly to our CMD, they pay those doctor bills,

513
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:40,030
the medical bills, whatnot, and this is the fund that funds that.

514
00:48:40,570 --> 00:48:47,150
And we will have to refund after the 140 is up, then we will have to refund that account.

515
00:48:47,150 --> 00:48:48,930
So it's basically a pass through.

516
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:52,390
So it's not like a time period to refund.

517
00:48:52,750 --> 00:48:54,570
It's when it gets to the dollar amount.

518
00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:57,930
When the 140 gets to a lower amount,

519
00:48:58,170 --> 00:49:00,030
whatever, like 30,000 or something,

520
00:49:00,550 --> 00:49:02,510
then they'll send us an invoice and say,

521
00:49:02,650 --> 00:49:03,950
we need refunding of that amount.

522
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:06,270
It's basically to get the invoices paid faster

523
00:49:06,270 --> 00:49:11,630
to the doctors and primary care, whatever it is.

524
00:49:12,270 --> 00:49:12,790
Radiology.

525
00:49:13,790 --> 00:49:15,110
Motion to approve the spending authority

526
00:49:15,110 --> 00:49:18,670
for funding the claims processing account in the amount of $140,000.

527
00:49:19,130 --> 00:49:19,330
Second.

528
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:20,930
Have a motion a second.

529
00:49:21,110 --> 00:49:22,670
Any discussion or questions?

530
00:49:23,330 --> 00:49:24,090
All those in favor?

531
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:24,550
Aye.

532
00:49:25,010 --> 00:49:25,530
Opposed.

533
00:49:26,550 --> 00:49:27,150
Thank you.

534
00:49:27,550 --> 00:49:28,250
Thank you.

535
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:28,830
Thank you.

536
00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:29,270
Thank you.

537
00:49:29,630 --> 00:49:35,710
Now this briefing and discussion and a decision on plan review fees.

538
00:49:45,070 --> 00:49:46,130
Warning to you both.

539
00:49:46,370 --> 00:49:46,830
Morning, Chris.

540
00:49:47,310 --> 00:49:47,370
Morning.

541
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:54,210
So yes.

542
00:49:54,210 --> 00:50:10,930
So we're here this morning to talk about plan review fees as a quick reminder, plan review fees are fees paid by developers who are developing sites or subdividing properties and so on.

543
00:50:11,110 --> 00:50:23,930
And the purpose of these fees is to offset those costs associated with the development review process, which involves multiple agencies reviewing those and those proposed development plans.

544
00:50:24,210 --> 00:50:33,910
and ensuring that what is being proposed meets all of the county and state and federal regulations regarding that development.

545
00:50:35,230 --> 00:50:39,730
So the development review structure was established back in 1995.

546
00:50:40,530 --> 00:50:48,710
Was reviewed again in 2004 and then went through another substantial review in 2019-2020.

547
00:50:49,870 --> 00:50:57,530
The structure of the review fee program is such that we seek to cover the cost of salaries,

548
00:50:58,170 --> 00:51:00,250
only not benefits and so on.

549
00:51:00,390 --> 00:51:06,410
Salaries only have staff that are involved in the review fee process in certain agencies.

550
00:51:07,050 --> 00:51:10,190
And those are development review, engineering reviews, stormwater management,

551
00:51:10,310 --> 00:51:12,250
force conservation and floodplain management.

552
00:51:13,470 --> 00:51:16,830
When we went through the process and back in 2019, 2020,

553
00:51:16,830 --> 00:51:23,030
There was a resolution that was passed that set that new structure and as part of that resolution it indicated that

554
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:29,310
The fee schedule could be evaluated regularly to ensure that 100% coverage of those agencies that

555
00:51:30,570 --> 00:51:37,690
That were looking to cover the cost of so at this point we have not done any review since that 2020

556
00:51:38,330 --> 00:51:39,550
Set of schedule

557
00:51:40,030 --> 00:51:46,090
Be schedule so we're here today to talk about that and answer any questions you may have and

558
00:51:46,090 --> 00:51:49,910
if you wish potentially adjust that schedule.

559
00:51:52,170 --> 00:51:57,490
So what's in front of us today would cover 100% of the salary related cost for these services.

560
00:51:58,330 --> 00:52:09,130
And that is based on the resolution that you've listed on the second page, terms are the first resolution number 10 65 2020 that says that we have to ensure 100% salary recovery.

561
00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:19,150
And so the 20 point, I'm sorry, the 20 point, 20 point six percent will account for the change in the salary.

562
00:52:21,230 --> 00:52:30,190
And I would imagine that, I mean, so it's not like there is, how do I explain this?

563
00:52:30,990 --> 00:52:37,010
It's based on the services in the amount of time that's going to determine the fees that are collected,

564
00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:39,630
based on the time for the salary that's involved?

565
00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:41,570
I'm not quite.

566
00:52:42,510 --> 00:52:46,890
If I may, I'll explain the costs and the fees, and hopefully that'll explain.

567
00:52:47,110 --> 00:52:48,330
I'm sorry.

568
00:52:48,370 --> 00:52:48,950
That's quite right.

569
00:52:51,650 --> 00:52:54,130
So, as I said, we're looking to balance here.

570
00:52:54,350 --> 00:53:01,170
We're trying to balance the costs associated with the salaries of those individuals and those specific agencies that perform their reviews.

571
00:53:01,630 --> 00:53:03,430
Balance those with the fees that we collect.

572
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:07,290
So we're balancing the cost versus the fees.

573
00:53:08,090 --> 00:53:10,550
So there, this next slide indicates two ways

574
00:53:10,550 --> 00:53:12,090
we could look at at the costs.

575
00:53:12,610 --> 00:53:14,970
One is, I've talked with human resources,

576
00:53:15,550 --> 00:53:20,670
and we looked at the salary increases

577
00:53:21,330 --> 00:53:25,170
that all employees have realized from 2019 to 2024.

578
00:53:25,710 --> 00:53:28,250
And when you look at those and the accumulating percentages

579
00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:31,170
and so on, the average county employee that's worked

580
00:53:31,170 --> 00:53:38,470
that duration is earning 28.1 percent more in 2024 than they did in 2019. So you can imagine

581
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:46,010
a 5% than a 5% on top of that and so on. We're at 28.1 percent. Another way we could

582
00:53:46,010 --> 00:53:51,990
look at this is looking specifically at those review staff that we're trying to offset the salary

583
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:57,050
increases. Now, please note this is not just a salary increase, it's also a staffing change.

584
00:53:57,050 --> 00:54:04,170
So we have added review staff specifically for storm water, so we're talking more people, so that's why there's a greater increase.

585
00:54:04,890 --> 00:54:13,650
So if we look at 2019, the salary cost for those agencies that we're looking to cover was 568,544.

586
00:54:14,450 --> 00:54:22,530
In 2024, looking at a similar comparison, that number is now 776473, which is a 36.6% increase.

587
00:54:22,530 --> 00:54:27,570
So, those are two ways of looking at the increasing cost that the county has experienced.

588
00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:32,030
Now, to balance that, we're looking at the fees.

589
00:54:32,770 --> 00:54:39,530
And here's a table that lists for five years, the fees collected that are intended to offset those costs.

590
00:54:40,070 --> 00:54:45,230
Now, obviously, FY20 with the pandemic and so on, that's kind of an outlier.

591
00:54:46,110 --> 00:54:49,730
And then, also, I would say, FY21, we were still in recovery from that.

592
00:54:49,730 --> 00:54:54,370
So my recommendation is that we look at an average of 22 to 24.

593
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:57,870
We don't necessarily want to look at one particular year,

594
00:54:58,070 --> 00:55:00,970
because any one year could be an outlier.

595
00:55:01,130 --> 00:55:03,710
A lot more development or a lot less development that's initiated

596
00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:04,750
were fees are collected.

597
00:55:05,490 --> 00:55:08,090
So I think looking at an average over several years

598
00:55:08,090 --> 00:55:09,810
and my recommendation would be three years.

599
00:55:10,750 --> 00:55:13,010
So from FY22 to FY24,

600
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:15,690
we've seen an average of 644,000,

601
00:55:16,170 --> 00:55:17,830
$134 in fees collected.

602
00:55:17,830 --> 00:55:32,810
So if you go back to the previous slide, and FY24, salary cost was 776473 in order to get the fees to balance that cost, we will be looking at a 20.6% increase in fees.

603
00:55:35,110 --> 00:55:39,850
And yes, I was going to wait till the end, but we're well we're on this slide.

604
00:55:39,850 --> 00:55:50,710
So, in 2004, we collected 740, and the cost of salaries was 776, we were only 30,000

605
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:51,230
short.

606
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:57,830
But you're saying we should do the averages.

607
00:55:58,590 --> 00:56:07,310
I don't quite understand why for only 36,000 short, why we need a 20% increase.

608
00:56:08,070 --> 00:56:10,730
And I know volume can change every year,

609
00:56:14,940 --> 00:56:21,120
but it's just, and that's why you're saying a three-year average would be better than a one year,

610
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,200
but it just seems like we were pretty close.

611
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:37,960
And I get concerned, I see our fees on some of this review cost taxpayers, probably taxpayers, maybe somebody from out of the county.

612
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:45,680
almost more than their design fees, and I understand we need to cover our salaries, but

613
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,260
20% of big increase.

614
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:55,240
Yes, like I said, there are many ways we can look at this, and I presented two ways of looking

615
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:58,920
at the costs, looking at what our fees collected.

616
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:05,100
Yes, I mean, we could take an average over five years, we could look at one year, who knows

617
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:08,940
what this year is going to bring, we may be back down to the 500,000

618
00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:11,380
sum with a number of plans coming in.

619
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:13,140
That's the difficulty in this.

620
00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:17,160
There's a lot of fluctuations, so we're making our best estimate.

621
00:57:18,780 --> 00:57:21,260
So that was kind of where I was trying to go,

622
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,300
trying to figure out how these were calculated.

623
00:57:24,820 --> 00:57:27,280
And I certainly understand wanting to cover the cost

624
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,860
of the service of the salaries that are extended, right?

625
00:57:29,940 --> 00:57:34,540
But I guess maybe part of the difficulty that I'm having

626
00:57:34,540 --> 00:57:38,740
looking at this is that you're talking about we're looking at like a percentage increase versus

627
00:57:38,740 --> 00:57:42,000
you know some hard numbers if this is what this would become this is what this would

628
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:46,260
become and so maybe for me that's part of where I'm getting confused is that okay well

629
00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:52,840
the we're talking about increasing the the fees to 20.6% but what did that translate into an

630
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:58,460
actual numbers sure yeah so one of the difficulties in this is that the metrics that we use

631
00:57:58,460 --> 00:58:03,940
to try and and make the fees appropriate for the development because every development is different

632
00:58:03,940 --> 00:58:12,740
Is that the metrics that we look at are things like acreage, number of lots, whether there's a floodplain there or not, things like that.

633
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,040
Those metrics will stay consistent.

634
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,920
Market forces don't change those metrics.

635
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,740
If you're developing a seven-lot subdivision on 20 acres,

636
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:23,920
that the market doesn't change that.

637
00:58:24,260 --> 00:58:28,680
And so the way we calculate the fees don't change unless we change the rate.

638
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:42,980
And so what we're looking to do is change the rate, we charge per those metrics to try and stay in line with how inflation and so on increased costs.

639
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:51,860
So, and I apologize because either, I'm just not getting it or we haven't gotten to that point in the discussion yet, so I apologize about that point.

640
00:58:51,860 --> 00:58:59,720
you don't think I had again. So if, so with respect to, okay, so if I know absolutely nothing

641
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,760
about this and I'm coming in and I need engineering or survey done or something or stormwater

642
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:13,660
management review and I have two storm ponds and my property, right? The amount of time and

643
00:59:13,660 --> 00:59:20,280
and correct me if I'm wrong, the amount of time to review each of those ponds does not necessarily

644
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:30,840
change. But it's the amount of the salary and the amount of everything else associated with

645
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:36,660
the cost for the salary that's increased. Even though the amount of work itself may not

646
00:59:36,660 --> 00:59:41,680
necessarily change. It's all the other contributing cost factors that have changed. That would

647
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:48,040
require some kind of a recession or you would recommend, I should say, some kind of salary.

648
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:56,840
I'm sorry, sorry. We're fee increase. Yes, following that. Yes. Yes. So the fees aren't

649
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,860
based on the amount of staff time. We don't.

650
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,520
We don't say, we don't track that this project took me five hours and this other project took me 10 hours. The fees are based on the type of project and it's to Chris said, whether this is an off-convance versus a full-blown site plan with stormwater management or somewhere in between and they all have their all unique and they're all a little different.

651
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,460
the fees are calculated just based on those metrics.

652
01:00:34,740 --> 01:00:37,960
Yes, so if you like, I can give you an example.

653
01:00:39,940 --> 01:00:46,100
I created a couple test projects and then through our metrics to calculate how those

654
01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:47,680
would change for as an example for you.

655
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:54,800
So if you had a hypothetical site plan that you were looking to develop and it was two

656
01:00:54,800 --> 01:01:01,640
of disturbance, it was non-residential, so this will say a sheet or something like that.

657
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:08,780
It had a certain type of entrance being added, so brand new entrance onto a county road,

658
01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:15,100
and there was a FEMA floodplain but no impact.

659
01:01:15,420 --> 01:01:20,280
So those are the metrics that we use that influence the cost for that site-plan development.

660
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:31,340
Under our current rates, the development review fees and total would be 14,229 dollars.

661
01:01:32,140 --> 01:01:40,180
What we're looking to do is revise those and increase those unit rates across those different metrics that all can fluctuate based on the type of site,

662
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:45,700
and that would go up to 17,000, so that would be a 19 and a half percent increase.

663
01:01:45,700 --> 01:02:04,660
So when we say a recommended 20% we're generally 20% because there are many different rates that all factor into this and so we're adjusting all of them we're recommending adjustment of all of them about 20% when it all calculates out it would be a 19.5% increase for that site development review.

664
01:02:05,420 --> 01:02:14,640
And so what are some of the contributing factors that would necessitate the increase I mean is it is it.

665
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:20,860
You know, maybe the design system we're using has increased the cost for renewal is it, you know,

666
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,600
what are the contributing factors that would necessitate the increase?

667
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,560
So they're simply the salary cost. So again, the fees are trying to offset the salary

668
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,240
cost that we've realized over the past five years.

669
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,420
Okay, because the resolution is merely refers to salary.

670
01:02:35,420 --> 01:02:39,600
Okay, so, yeah, we're discussion earlier about inflation and other things I shouldn't,

671
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:43,020
I shouldn't take into consideration, or...

672
01:02:43,020 --> 01:02:47,940
you talk a little bit. Well, all of that's related to why there have been salary increases.

673
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,160
Okay, all right. Is that based? Yes. I'm just trying to make sure that I have a good

674
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:58,040
grass with this. I see you packed there. It might be helpful to back away from plan

675
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:04,980
review just to a more conceptual idea of fees. Anywhere we're going to charge a fee.

676
01:03:05,820 --> 01:03:12,100
The basic ideas we're saying instead of general taxpayers paying the cost of providing this service,

677
01:03:12,100 --> 01:03:18,400
We want some part of this to be paid by the people directly receiving the service.

678
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,900
Now, you could say, nope, we don't want to do that.

679
01:03:23,220 --> 01:03:25,600
Taxpayers pay for it and there are no fees.

680
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:31,920
Or, you could say, we want the person receiving the service to pay the total cost of this.

681
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,260
But as Chris is showing you, even saying the total cost,

682
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:41,340
there's no way to get the right number, all you can do is try and get something that's in the vicinity.

683
01:03:41,340 --> 01:03:51,520
a former board as a way of approaching this said we're not going to say 25% of the cost or 50% of

684
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:56,400
the cost we're just going to say whatever the salaries are related to this that's what we want the

685
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:04,320
fees to cover. So Chris is here just saying if that's the way we're approaching it here's what salaries are

686
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:11,320
here's what that does to fees. Okay now now I understand thank you very much. So Chris you actually

687
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:17,620
it allows you job explaining it. I did. I was able to make it very clear for her. Yes, I

688
01:04:17,620 --> 01:04:20,620
had a beer too. You have a beer of four-five,

689
01:04:22,660 --> 01:04:25,200
but I'm sure I don't like that.

690
01:04:26,380 --> 01:04:38,160
Yeah, fees never go down. I mean, historically we've never lowered our fees. The what will

691
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:48,180
going down over time is these projects, we only have so much property, you know, so

692
01:04:48,180 --> 01:04:49,280
that's like a given.

693
01:04:52,200 --> 01:05:02,450
Or these fees put into the vision of the master plan and this is what

694
01:05:02,450 --> 01:05:11,830
education should be just in a kind of, I'll say an abstract way, but just understanding the path

695
01:05:11,830 --> 01:05:21,770
going forward that either expectation should be that fees will stay consistent with

696
01:05:21,770 --> 01:05:27,930
changes of salaries, you know, kind of like where Ted was going, it doesn't matter.

697
01:05:27,930 --> 01:05:34,770
If it's this fee or that fee, it's, you know, we're increasing fees, should there be an expectation of that?

698
01:05:36,410 --> 01:05:44,470
Or is this a one shot? Let's do it in way five more years and it just fees?

699
01:05:44,850 --> 01:05:50,630
So I wouldn't say that we've looked at a direct correlation between what we're discussing in the master plan and these fees.

700
01:05:50,630 --> 01:06:04,830
But I would disagree that the amount of development and so on will taper off to nothing at some point because there's always redevelopment that's always going to happen and that redevelopment that will go on forever.

701
01:06:05,390 --> 01:06:11,130
And so I think I don't I don't envision a decrease for Laura and her staff ever.

702
01:06:11,130 --> 01:06:16,170
Okay, no, no, that's great, and I stand corrected on that, because that makes perfect sense.

703
01:06:20,550 --> 01:06:21,110
So,

704
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:27,920
in consideration of, you know, increasing these fees,

705
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:33,240
again, if that is the case with Laura and your team,

706
01:06:33,380 --> 01:06:38,960
I mean, it will, in additional, you know,

707
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:48,480
person or persons be like a path forward to getting things done in a quicker amount of time

708
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:55,040
and therefore fees will be going down or I mean it's time of part of this at all when

709
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:59,540
something is expected and allowed or not.

710
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:06,240
Now I think we just need to have a regular review of these fees and see what the market is

711
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:21,680
And certainly if development does taper off and the desire of the board is to decrease the rate or make some sort of change, we certainly could do that at any time.

712
01:07:22,260 --> 01:07:27,360
Historically we've looked at these review fees in the structure every 10, 15 years.

713
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:42,000
It just happens that, in this case, it's been within the past five years that we made the last change and the resolution that was passed in 2020 allowed in theory for, and we could look at this every year if you desired.

714
01:07:43,980 --> 01:07:59,080
So, we're happy to make any adjustment that you like, down, as had mentioned, there is a wide spectrum of how we could recoup these costs and how much of these costs you'd like the developer to recoup versus the general fund.

715
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:05,300
I mean, looking at it every year makes sense from a

716
01:08:05,300 --> 01:08:13,120
stas perspective to ensure we're like in the right path when it comes to fees,

717
01:08:13,940 --> 01:08:18,480
making decisions on adjusting fees every year.

718
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:23,560
I don't think it's a good idea because we've got to settle somewhere.

719
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:30,760
the communities got to be settled on this is what's going to take to spend this because

720
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:40,840
people don't just typically make a decision on a piece of property and the next day

721
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:48,520
they're acting on it. It's years in planning and development and saving money and investing

722
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,440
and whatever the project may be,

723
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:59,840
that, you know, and I don't want everything to be DRA at all.

724
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:01,600
You can know, I mean, that's not.

725
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:10,040
But, you know, if somebody's like, BD probably making a decision, develop this very large parcel,

726
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:17,940
and then all of a sudden we're changing our office and then we change our fee structure in the middle of it.

727
01:09:17,940 --> 01:09:18,420
I mean,

728
01:09:20,460 --> 01:09:26,660
you know, do they have to act quickly to get certain things in so they don't, yes, you know?

729
01:09:26,940 --> 01:09:27,680
Does this make sense?

730
01:09:27,820 --> 01:09:28,800
Absolutely, absolutely.

731
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:44,500
I just want, I want to say a calm, but a calm in the community, in their understanding how fees will be decided and increased,

732
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:52,820
where it's not every year we're looking at this in a, okay, let's raise fees, now let's raise fees.

733
01:09:54,340 --> 01:10:04,380
But we can't wait too long because, you know, as we learned, when it comes to water and sewer, if we wait and we put things off, then all of a sudden it's sticker shock.

734
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:12,500
So we've got to balance that, that change of sticker shock, you know, with these large

735
01:10:12,500 --> 01:10:16,840
increases, you know, to, hey, this is the path forward.

736
01:10:17,260 --> 01:10:17,340
Yeah.

737
01:10:17,340 --> 01:10:20,580
So we haven't looked, you know, as Chris said, we haven't looked at this and I six

738
01:10:20,580 --> 01:10:20,840
whatever.

739
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:21,380
Yeah.

740
01:10:21,940 --> 01:10:21,980
Yeah.

741
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:27,400
And I did look at not that what other jurisdictions do needs to influence what

742
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:33,020
we do, but I did check Frederick County and Frederick County as of July 1, a couple

743
01:10:33,020 --> 01:10:40,540
days ago increased their fees by 25% and they set those four fiscal years 26, 27, 28.

744
01:10:41,060 --> 01:10:45,220
So they basically established that for the next three years, these are their review fees,

745
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,060
but they did increase them by about 25% of what they had before.

746
01:10:48,280 --> 01:11:00,640
Now, I have nothing against Frederick County, but I do want consistency and I wanted where

747
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:09,580
there's no surprises but it's very clear that this is going to be the cost associated with

748
01:11:09,580 --> 01:11:15,380
whatever development and you know you and your teams do it very well because you're out front

749
01:11:15,380 --> 01:11:24,960
with them so maybe I'm just kind of like working this through in my head should we be looking at

750
01:11:26,220 --> 01:11:54,900
You know, the last number or should we be, you know, putting them all together and then doing the average, it looks like it's more sense to look at the last three years, as opposed to last year, and certainly if you wanted to provide direction that in two years, we come back and provide a report and you decide to take action.

751
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:59,960
or in three years or next every year, we're happy to do whatever,

752
01:12:05,930 --> 01:12:07,470
but that's the extent of what

753
01:12:07,470 --> 01:12:13,390
I had to present. As I said, there's various ways you can look at what the salary cost increase

754
01:12:13,390 --> 01:12:20,250
have been and we recommend just a 20% increase because we feel that that covers both the salary

755
01:12:20,250 --> 01:12:23,630
increases but also the market fluctuation that we've seen in the past three years.

756
01:12:27,170 --> 01:12:32,210
So I did a little bit of quick math because I was curious and if you include FY21 and I left

757
01:12:32,210 --> 01:12:34,950
20 out of it because that was an awful year anyways.

758
01:12:35,610 --> 01:12:40,910
So if you take 21, 22, 22, 23, 24 and then you average those out between the four of them,

759
01:12:41,070 --> 01:12:46,130
the difference between what would be being collected and what had been on average for those

760
01:12:46,130 --> 01:12:54,790
four years was like 177, 177, 177, 177, 1787, so that is a pretty significant difference between

761
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:56,250
that two.

762
01:12:57,010 --> 01:13:01,870
That would be coming out of the general fund to cover what is not been collected by people

763
01:13:01,870 --> 01:13:03,390
who are looking for the service,

764
01:13:05,710 --> 01:13:05,710
so.

765
01:13:05,970 --> 01:13:10,330
On your slide, it says 20% on the decision paper,

766
01:13:10,490 --> 01:13:13,510
it says 20, yes, I noticed that I apologize.

767
01:13:15,170 --> 01:13:18,150
We submitted the briefing paper, and that

768
01:13:18,150 --> 01:13:20,850
got into your books, and then we had some further discussions

769
01:13:20,850 --> 01:13:25,270
and said, rather than 20.6, we would make a 20%.

770
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:26,750
So that's when I changed the slide, too,

771
01:13:26,830 --> 01:13:28,950
but your briefing paper still says 20.6.

772
01:13:29,330 --> 01:13:30,610
So what is your recommendation?

773
01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:32,130
Recommendation is 20%.

774
01:13:32,130 --> 01:13:35,490
But obviously, it could be anything at all that you all wish.

775
01:13:35,570 --> 01:13:37,410
No, I just want to be, yep, clear.

776
01:13:38,710 --> 01:13:45,490
And I think you're saying you're somewhat okay with this being reviewed every other year.

777
01:13:45,610 --> 01:13:46,010
Absolutely.

778
01:13:47,370 --> 01:13:51,310
It was that I think that should probably be part of the motion.

779
01:13:52,050 --> 01:13:52,390
I agree.

780
01:13:52,770 --> 01:13:59,930
I still struggle with the 20%, but I mean sooner or later this, and it's like it's

781
01:13:59,930 --> 01:14:06,650
somewhere to water sewer, there are still taxpayers paying water sewer, if this were

782
01:14:06,650 --> 01:14:16,310
residential subdivision, every homeowner is paying, yes. And I still, I struggle with

783
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:21,690
our state, saying they want more affordable housing when everything's going up way

784
01:14:21,690 --> 01:14:28,430
more than inflation. You can't have affordable housing. Maybe I'm curious how our

785
01:14:28,430 --> 01:14:33,090
Mr. Plain would look, but I think that's what it all probably ought to say is we can't

786
01:14:33,090 --> 01:14:37,390
do affordable housing in Carroll County, sorry, because we can.

787
01:14:39,730 --> 01:14:44,630
And I guess maybe on a somewhat related note, I mean, I understand completely commission

788
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:50,430
or collars concerns about raising fees, also the concern about having to take it out of the

789
01:14:50,430 --> 01:14:50,910
general fund.

790
01:14:51,050 --> 01:14:54,530
I mean, looking at our budget for the next couple of years, we're going to need every

791
01:14:54,530 --> 01:14:59,970
sense that we have. And on that note, and Ted, if you don't have an answer for me, right?

792
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,020
This second. I don't we have like a year-end review or something coming up soon of our fiscal year 25 budget.

793
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:13,680
Yes. Cool. Thank you very much.

794
01:15:20,020 --> 01:15:27,460
I move the Board of County Commissioners direct staff to adjust plan review fees to account for an average 20% increase in side recalls.

795
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:27,840
Second.

796
01:15:32,380 --> 01:15:35,400
With the understanding, we're going to review it every other year.

797
01:15:36,620 --> 01:15:36,880
Yes.

798
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:41,280
You have to amend the motion to include that.

799
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:41,460
I can.

800
01:15:41,820 --> 01:15:42,320
Staff direction.

801
01:15:43,420 --> 01:15:43,460
Yeah.

802
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:43,960
Yeah.

803
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:48,300
There we get a second.

804
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:48,780
I'm sorry.

805
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:49,340
Yes.

806
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,040
So any further questions or discussions?

807
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:55,820
Always in favor.

808
01:15:55,900 --> 01:15:56,160
Aye.

809
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:57,160
Opposed.

810
01:15:57,820 --> 01:16:01,240
And I will oppose it.

811
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:05,940
So commissioners, if I may ask one further question now that you've approved this change.

812
01:16:05,940 --> 01:16:09,540
There is a question then of implementation time.

813
01:16:10,700 --> 01:16:13,120
So when you would like this to become effective.

814
01:16:13,860 --> 01:16:16,020
So we could certainly make it effective today

815
01:16:16,020 --> 01:16:17,900
or some other future date.

816
01:16:18,340 --> 01:16:21,680
The one additional thing that I would throw out there is that

817
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:25,220
there are mechanisms in place regarding Asala

818
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,720
and we're going, as you know, we're going through

819
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,400
the Tyler conversion and so on

820
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,760
that these type of changes could be implemented into.

821
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:40,080
And so, we have to open the hood as it were to make this change to the rates.

822
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:48,100
What I would ask is that could say an October 1st implementation date, or effective date,

823
01:16:48,260 --> 01:16:53,300
of these rates that would give us some time to work with our IT staff and so on to programmatically

824
01:16:53,300 --> 01:16:58,260
put these in place as compared to an effective date of today or whatever you would wish.

825
01:16:59,540 --> 01:17:03,220
So, let me, I guess, get to the foundation there.

826
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,340
What would be the most convenient thing given all those

827
01:17:06,340 --> 01:17:07,240
containing circumstances?

828
01:17:07,500 --> 01:17:08,300
What would be the easiest?

829
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:09,260
October 1st.

830
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:15,480
And what happens if a project is in the system?

831
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:20,920
Is anybody grandfathered or, or if, if I'm on my third review

832
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,500
and that happens in November, I get, I pay the new fear

833
01:17:24,500 --> 01:17:25,720
to I pay the old fee?

834
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:31,820
So whatever, whatever fees in place at the time that you have to pay the fee.

835
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:36,940
So for example, with site plans, you pay it at the beginning, and that's the only fee you pay the whole thing.

836
01:17:37,380 --> 01:17:41,100
So even though fees may change, you've already paid your fees.

837
01:17:41,340 --> 01:17:44,080
You're done. We're not going to go after and you're trying to pay the difference, right?

838
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:49,380
But for a subdivision project, for example, their fees paid at different steps.

839
01:17:50,100 --> 01:17:51,740
So concept preliminary and final.

840
01:17:51,740 --> 01:17:59,480
So if you're moving on to final and a new fee structures in place, you would pay the new fee structure just for the finals when when you're paying it.

841
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:09,700
Yes, and I I'm no problem with October. Why didn't you put that into the decision?

842
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:12,700
I didn't want to presume that you wanted to make a change.

843
01:18:14,140 --> 01:18:16,780
I apologize. I mean, I'm not really good of a good of a margin.

844
01:18:16,780 --> 01:18:22,400
you know he's being very polite regardless I'm just saying why not just have it

845
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:29,460
there and say in effect whatever get what you agree with you I'm just

846
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:34,560
do we feel like somebody should make a motion that these these fees will be

847
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:41,880
effective if we want to wait no question motion of the revised fees will be

848
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:46,340
effective on to over first second okay any further discussion or questions

849
01:18:46,340 --> 01:18:52,600
There's a favor. Thank you very much. Thank you. Any other presumptions or questions?

850
01:18:53,400 --> 01:19:04,180
Add-ons? I would not presume. Now we're going to talk about the approval of resolution to shine the study for the Pani Run Watershed.

851
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:11,900
Yes, so this should be hopefully pretty quick. I've been before you several times to discuss the Pani Run Dam

852
01:19:11,900 --> 01:19:15,740
and the work that we've done with NRCS,

853
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,460
the Natural Resource Conservation Service over the past couple of years.

854
01:19:20,500 --> 01:19:21,820
For a little bit of history,

855
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,220
Pymie Run Dam was constructed in the early 70s

856
01:19:25,220 --> 01:19:28,640
as part of the collaboration between the county and NRCS.

857
01:19:29,580 --> 01:19:35,640
In 1973, a watershed work plan was a agreement was put in place

858
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,560
and signed by the county commissioners.

859
01:19:37,860 --> 01:19:40,040
And it basically outlines certain roles and responsibilities

860
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:45,700
of the different entities that were involved in it, things like the county agrees not to sell

861
01:19:45,700 --> 01:19:50,160
the dam or the property associated with it that we agree that we're going to own to maintain

862
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:56,380
it and so on and so forth. Over the past five years we've been working with NRCS to revise

863
01:19:56,380 --> 01:20:01,000
that watershed plan based on the requirements that Maryland Department of the Environment has given

864
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:08,180
to us. And so we have, we're at the end of that process. And so now NRCS needs us to sign a new

865
01:20:08,180 --> 01:20:13,180
agreement. And the agreement has similar sort of information about that we won't sell the

866
01:20:13,180 --> 01:20:19,360
dam. In this case, the lifespan of the dam is estimated to be 100 years. So 100 years

867
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:25,580
from now, maybe we're going to be revisiting this again. So essentially, NRCS has asked you

868
01:20:25,580 --> 01:20:33,540
to pass a resolution to agree to the watershed plan. And then once you agree to that, then Commissioner

869
01:20:33,540 --> 01:20:37,940
highly consign the agreement and we'll close out this phase of the of the work.

870
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:45,840
No, we all sign. You would all sign the resolution. The actual agreement only has

871
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:50,620
Commissioner Kyler since the day of the day. Sorry. So, Commissioner Figliai has to read

872
01:20:50,620 --> 01:20:56,100
the entire resolution. You can read the whole resolution. That's much better than reading

873
01:20:56,100 --> 01:20:58,220
in the 675 page work plan.

874
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:00,600
Do you want me to read that lab?

875
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,440
Motion to approve the resolution to sign the Piny and Run Watershed Study.

876
01:21:07,620 --> 01:21:09,060
I have a motion and a second.

877
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,460
Any questions or discussion?

878
01:21:14,010 --> 01:21:14,730
I'll use a favor.

879
01:21:15,670 --> 01:21:16,030
Opposed.

880
01:21:16,750 --> 01:21:17,650
Thank you.

881
01:21:17,850 --> 01:21:18,490
All right. Thank you.

882
01:21:19,410 --> 01:21:27,710
Now we're going to discuss the request for public hearing for the spring amendment of the

883
01:21:27,710 --> 01:21:31,810
or a master plan, morning to you, morning, morning.

884
01:21:32,350 --> 01:21:36,150
I'm here with Andrew Gray, who is going to give you an overview

885
01:21:36,150 --> 01:21:41,670
of the spring cycle of amendments to the Keralkan water

886
01:21:41,670 --> 01:21:43,870
and sewer master plan.

887
01:21:44,630 --> 01:21:46,670
As you know, we do this twice a year.

888
01:21:46,770 --> 01:21:47,590
We have a spring cycle.

889
01:21:47,730 --> 01:21:48,770
We have a fall cycle.

890
01:21:49,250 --> 01:21:53,430
The idea is that we're amending the water and sewer master plan

891
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:56,530
that's updated every three years, so that things

892
01:21:56,530 --> 01:22:04,370
can be put into the right service category and receive service between those three year updates.

893
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:10,550
We're here to request your approval to proceed with the public hearing on these amendments

894
01:22:11,090 --> 01:22:16,450
and I'll turn it over to Drew to give you an overview of what's contained in this cycle

895
01:22:16,450 --> 01:22:17,110
of amendments.

896
01:22:17,450 --> 01:22:19,410
Good to have a spring water cycle.

897
01:22:21,650 --> 01:22:22,130
No one got it.

898
01:22:22,290 --> 01:22:22,610
Spring water?

899
01:22:23,850 --> 01:22:26,410
I tried, I tried, I tried, I tried.

900
01:22:26,570 --> 01:22:26,830
Stop, stop.

901
01:22:27,190 --> 01:22:28,770
Good morning, commissioners.

902
01:22:28,850 --> 01:22:29,250
Good morning.

903
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:37,300
As Ms. Daily mentioned, I am here to present the spring amendment

904
01:22:37,300 --> 01:22:41,300
to the 2023 Carol County Water and Sewer Master Plan.

905
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:45,200
Why are we amending the Water and Sewer Master Plan?

906
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,420
Number one, to keep the plan current,

907
01:22:48,260 --> 01:22:51,100
and also to make needed changes to the plan

908
01:22:51,100 --> 01:22:54,080
that affect the timing of new development in the county.

909
01:22:56,270 --> 01:23:03,110
Four municipalities for the spring 2025 amendment are proposing a change to their system.

910
01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:09,010
That is, the town of Union Bridge is proposing to change their water and sewer service

911
01:23:09,010 --> 01:23:16,990
area map, demands table in text, hamstered is proposing to change their water and sewer service

912
01:23:16,990 --> 01:23:24,690
area maps. New Windsor is proposing to change their water and sewer service demands table and

913
01:23:24,690 --> 01:23:32,110
text, and lastly, but not least, Tony Towns is proposing to change their sewer service

914
01:23:32,110 --> 01:23:36,650
area map and demand stable. Starting with Union Bridge,

915
01:23:39,190 --> 01:23:40,450
Bureau of Comprehensive Planning

916
01:23:40,450 --> 01:23:47,870
received a request from the town of Union Bridge to amend their water and sewer maps to

917
01:23:47,870 --> 01:23:58,370
were spawned with the updated revision to their 2024 townmaster plan review of their 2008

918
01:23:58,370 --> 01:24:01,410
Union Bridge and Advanced Community Comprehensive Plan.

919
01:24:02,190 --> 01:24:09,070
As a result, many changes were proposed to the water and sewer service area maps, resulting

920
01:24:09,070 --> 01:24:16,990
in a recalculation of the entire water and sewer service area, just to note that these water

921
01:24:16,990 --> 01:24:22,290
And sewer calculations were based off of current flows and the bill to the land inventory.

922
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:29,350
So essentially, with Union Bridge, and New Windsor that I'll mention here shortly,

923
01:24:30,270 --> 01:24:34,430
we came at this like a Tri-annual update with updating the numbers.

924
01:24:36,670 --> 01:24:45,590
Also, just to note that, after the review of the Tri-annual report, the plan capacity numbers

925
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:55,370
were double counted. And thus, the numbers are for Union Bridge, 208,000 gallons per day for

926
01:24:55,370 --> 01:24:58,870
existing priority and future water service.

927
01:24:59,590 --> 01:25:04,150
So when you said the numbers are double counted, you mean that they should not be 208 or

928
01:25:04,150 --> 01:25:08,350
they were reduced from what they were to 208.

929
01:25:08,350 --> 01:25:15,670
as a wonderful question commissioner that number there was a well that was double counted

930
01:25:15,670 --> 01:25:23,790
the original number was well there was the well that was counted and that number that was double

931
01:25:23,790 --> 01:25:30,470
counted was about 42,300 gallons per day so seeing that error and wanting to correct that to

932
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:39,770
make it show what's actually allocated that's why that correction was made wonderful question thank

933
01:25:39,770 --> 01:25:40,870
Thank you.

934
01:25:43,890 --> 01:25:49,510
And the maps shown here are going to be the updated Union Bridge Water and Sewer Service

935
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:50,590
Area Maps.

936
01:25:52,410 --> 01:25:59,630
For Hamstead, Hamstead contacted the Bureau of Comprehensive Planning to clear up any

937
01:25:59,630 --> 01:26:05,490
potential concerns with Maryland Department of the Environment's Review of the Hamstead

938
01:26:05,490 --> 01:26:08,490
PFAS Treatment and Centralization Project.

939
01:26:09,390 --> 01:26:18,150
The first update has a property off of upper-forward lane, and that is to update the

940
01:26:18,150 --> 01:26:22,490
hamster water map from no-plan service to existing.

941
01:26:24,730 --> 01:26:31,010
Also a property off of Maryland Route 88, Lower Beckley'sville Road, by the skate park.

942
01:26:32,090 --> 01:26:35,950
Update the map from no-plan service to priority W3.

943
01:26:36,930 --> 01:26:44,170
And property around the radio tower, the large radio tower, update the water map from

944
01:26:44,170 --> 01:26:50,610
priority to existing W1, and then this same general location, there's also going to be

945
01:26:50,610 --> 01:26:55,510
two sewer amendments, updating both from future to priority.

946
01:26:56,770 --> 01:27:06,510
And just to give some context, the one property I believe is the county water treatment facility

947
01:27:06,510 --> 01:27:10,610
and the other property is hamstered well property.

948
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:18,490
So for new Windsor, so changes were made by the town, the town's buildable land inventory,

949
01:27:18,490 --> 01:27:28,050
and gallons per day calculation, multiplier resulting in a recalculation of their entire water and sewer service area.

950
01:27:28,890 --> 01:27:34,210
Water and sewer calculations were based off of current flows and build a land inventory data.

951
01:27:35,670 --> 01:27:47,630
And then for Tony Town, updating the Tony Town sewer map and demand calculations moving a property from long-range service to priority sewer service area.

952
01:27:47,630 --> 01:27:50,550
and that property is off of Harni Road.

953
01:27:51,330 --> 01:27:55,310
And also this amendment will correct a calculation error

954
01:27:55,310 --> 01:27:56,490
for total demand.

955
01:27:59,510 --> 01:28:00,910
Where are we now in the process?

956
01:28:01,890 --> 01:28:04,070
The municipal planning and zoning commissions

957
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:07,590
I presented information to all four of them.

958
01:28:07,930 --> 01:28:11,570
And they approved

959
01:28:13,810 --> 01:28:14,690
consistency

960
01:28:14,690 --> 01:28:18,650
with their master plans on the dates on the slide.

961
01:28:18,650 --> 01:28:28,890
Also, the Carol County Planning and Zoning Commission approved consistency and agreement to move forward to this body on June 17.

962
01:28:30,270 --> 01:28:37,830
So, for the Board of County Commissioners today, we are here to brief the board and also request the public hearing.

963
01:28:38,790 --> 01:28:49,070
Then, if you approve for a public hearing, we will request that you adopt the spring 2025

964
01:28:49,070 --> 01:28:55,370
amendment to the Water and Suer Master Plan after taking all evidence and testimony into

965
01:28:55,370 --> 01:28:56,070
consideration.

966
01:28:56,730 --> 01:29:05,110
And then if that happens, as you all probably know, that information will be pulled together

967
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:09,170
and sent to Maryland Department of the Environment for final review and approval.

968
01:29:10,690 --> 01:29:15,790
So our staff recommendation before you today is planning staff recommends the Board of

969
01:29:15,790 --> 01:29:21,390
County Commissioners proceed with a public hearing for the 2025 Spring Amendment to the

970
01:29:21,390 --> 01:29:25,310
2023 Carell County Water and Sewer of Master Plan.

971
01:29:25,930 --> 01:29:28,630
And if you have any questions, we are here.

972
01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:30,030
Thank you.

973
01:29:33,010 --> 01:29:36,870
Motion for seat of the public hearing for the 2025 Spring Amendment to the Carell County

974
01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:59,590
water and sewer master plan. Second. I have a motion and a second. Any questions or discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Opposed. Thank you. Thank you commissioners. Thank you. Thank you. I'm 21 discussion decision for possible budget transfer for MPRP litigation.

975
01:30:05,890 --> 01:30:14,310
Before we start the meet of it, I have a couple of concerns I want to mention. Last meeting,

976
01:30:16,450 --> 01:30:25,920
on my opinion, just fact, we violated the public open meetings act.

977
01:30:26,660 --> 01:30:29,740
I think we need to talk about not today.

978
01:30:30,900 --> 01:30:34,120
I'm not sure any motions should be made in party care.

979
01:30:34,260 --> 01:30:38,080
It's a lot easier to get the cameraman and the public here if you tell them not to

980
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:41,600
clock, but that should be in admin open.

981
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:43,920
It was compared.

982
01:30:50,380 --> 01:30:51,580
It would be nice.

983
01:30:52,080 --> 01:31:00,000
It was compared to the motion for the 13 million for the

984
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,060
They were here, they were presenting.

985
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,560
It had nothing whatsoever to do with a priority,

986
01:31:07,780 --> 01:31:08,980
carol motion.

987
01:31:10,300 --> 01:31:12,500
So I don't know why that comparison was made.

988
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:18,820
And my big concern is the Maryland Open Meetings Act.

989
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:21,820
If somebody turns it in, we violate it.

990
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:23,620
They smack your fingers.

991
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:27,000
So I don't know if I care so much about that.

992
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:35,540
What worries me, A, should I have not allowed us to vote on it?

993
01:31:36,340 --> 01:31:41,800
My thinking at the time was, it was obviously three people talked about it ahead of time.

994
01:31:42,060 --> 01:31:47,180
And if three of the five of us want something to happen, I struggle with the fact,

995
01:31:47,700 --> 01:31:55,460
we're all equal up here regardless of President Vice President, should I really stop something from happening that the majority of us want?

996
01:31:56,460 --> 01:32:07,120
I was concerned that staff didn't say, guys, you've got to stop, you're violating the Maryland Open Meetings Act.

997
01:32:08,260 --> 01:32:09,240
Nobody did.

998
01:32:09,940 --> 01:32:13,380
We talked about it, but we never really did it.

999
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:22,840
So I'd strongly suggest if you really don't understand the Maryland Open Meetings Act,

1000
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:30,040
there are online things, there are classes available, we could set up the attorney to give a

1001
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:35,780
little class on it. If you fully understand it and just don't give a shit, then I'm not sure

1002
01:32:35,780 --> 01:32:42,860
what we do about that. That's disappointing at best. The other problem I have with what we did,

1003
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:51,920
we made a motion, a Dalton Pony Show, on X amount of dollars going to MPRP. I'm not sure,

1004
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:53,600
And hopefully we'll learn today,

1005
01:32:55,660 --> 01:33:00,120
A, that's modifying the budget, which totally upsets the

1006
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:02,820
apple card on how we handle budget in this group.

1007
01:33:04,140 --> 01:33:09,040
But more importantly, I'm not sure legally what we can spend that money on.

1008
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:15,320
We already are spending money on stuff to fight that.

1009
01:33:15,380 --> 01:33:23,020
And I'm not sure what we're allowed to do, so I would hope that today, if we are still

1010
01:33:23,020 --> 01:33:29,620
inclined to spend a hundred grand, I think we need to get a clue what we're spending it on and

1011
01:33:29,620 --> 01:33:35,780
is that legal. And I'm sorry, I'm like I say I'm disappointing myself, I'm not sure if I

1012
01:33:35,780 --> 01:33:43,460
should have stopped things when they became a cluster, whatever you call it,

1013
01:33:45,530 --> 01:33:46,350
if Trump can say

1014
01:33:46,350 --> 01:33:54,870
that word. Why can't I? But I don't feel it was appropriate that I stop it. But if anybody

1015
01:33:54,870 --> 01:34:00,870
here doesn't understand that we broke the open meetings act, then you definitely need

1016
01:34:00,870 --> 01:34:06,230
to take the class and get a clue. Thank you for you. I don't know if anybody else wants

1017
01:34:06,230 --> 01:34:11,270
to say anything, but I just felt like I needed to bring that up before we started this

1018
01:34:12,690 --> 01:34:14,990
I appreciate your comments, Commissioner Kyler.

1019
01:34:16,130 --> 01:34:21,730
To your points, one, I'll bring up your comment about legal representation.

1020
01:34:22,990 --> 01:34:27,750
County Attorney Burke did not speak up in any way, shape, or form to stop that.

1021
01:34:27,850 --> 01:34:29,050
And you and I are in agreement on that.

1022
01:34:29,050 --> 01:34:33,010
I'm not in any way bringing that up, but then just a question,

1023
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:37,650
policy and procedure when it comes to that, because typically in a meeting of any sort.

1024
01:34:38,110 --> 01:34:39,510
And correctly if I'm wrong.

1025
01:34:40,270 --> 01:34:46,590
Mr. Burke, Ms. Windom will speak up and either correct the information or give us additional insight on that.

1026
01:34:47,250 --> 01:34:50,430
I may. If I had been here, I would have said something. I was not here.

1027
01:34:50,590 --> 01:34:50,750
Okay.

1028
01:34:51,630 --> 01:34:57,410
And if this would have been my prior life in care of kind of public schools, I may have asked the attorney.

1029
01:34:58,090 --> 01:35:06,150
Aren't we violating that because again, I've had three or four classes on it and unfortunately I've had attorneys.

1030
01:35:06,150 --> 01:35:12,850
I want me about it, too, but go ahead, but yeah, you're right, like I say, I feel guilty that

1031
01:35:12,850 --> 01:35:15,170
maybe I should have initiated something, but you're correct.

1032
01:35:15,630 --> 01:35:16,870
Nobody staffed it, not.

1033
01:35:17,650 --> 01:35:20,450
So to your point on that, we agree on that.

1034
01:35:21,450 --> 01:35:25,690
I do have one question, though, and this is not directed that you, this is directed Mr.

1035
01:35:25,830 --> 01:35:27,790
Burke, since he's obviously the county attorney.

1036
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:41,070
if that conversation violated the Open Meetings Act because it was brought up on a non-agenda item and that's my understanding on this correct me if I'm wrong.

1037
01:35:41,810 --> 01:35:55,330
Would that not be the exact same situation when the five of us voted unanimously the other year to put a to go forward with a solar moratorium that was not on the agenda that day as well?

1038
01:35:56,510 --> 01:36:02,390
because I don't I'm I'm just asking for because what would be the difference between two items not on the agenda

1039
01:36:02,390 --> 01:36:11,590
every item should be on the agenda I don't recall the circumstances. I brought up the solar agenda and I probably was wrong I probably violated the act

1040
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:20,650
so let's just do it every let's violated every. I'm not suggesting here and said to 13 million was similar and

1041
01:36:20,650 --> 01:36:26,170
No way and hell was it even close now we want to go back to two years on a solar thing

1042
01:36:27,670 --> 01:36:35,590
You know, I'm not I'm not looking to hear if I might it doesn't matter we violated it and if you don't understand that

1043
01:36:35,590 --> 01:36:43,050
I can print you out stuff and you can read it, but it's specifically says we owe it to the public that it's an agenda

1044
01:36:43,050 --> 01:36:48,170
I'm when we're screwing with a budget. Let's look now. I don't remember the

1045
01:36:48,910 --> 01:36:56,050
the motion on solar, but if that was that we intend to talk about something, then maybe

1046
01:36:56,050 --> 01:37:02,850
that's different too, I don't want to get into split in hairs. We violated the open meetings

1047
01:37:02,850 --> 01:37:08,470
like no question. We violated that. If somebody complains, we'll get her finger smacked.

1048
01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:15,310
Now, did we violate it six other times in the last maybe? I don't know, but I don't care.

1049
01:37:15,310 --> 01:37:19,830
I care about this this type, but no, I understand that and I'm not being disagreeable with it.

1050
01:37:19,850 --> 01:37:23,090
I'm just asking Mr. Burke for clarification on that. That's all I'm asking.

1051
01:37:24,190 --> 01:37:27,250
You can go to the internet and get clarification on it.

1052
01:37:27,370 --> 01:37:28,590
I was just asking our county attorney.

1053
01:37:28,590 --> 01:37:30,510
I mean, it's a liability to do that.

1054
01:37:30,510 --> 01:37:34,210
Nicely put my grandkids would understand it if they read it.

1055
01:37:34,510 --> 01:37:41,530
So I don't need an attorney to tell me that, but we you just said, every item needs to be on a

1056
01:37:42,590 --> 01:37:49,010
But I think we went a step further because we screwed with a budget also, without an agenda item.

1057
01:37:49,450 --> 01:37:58,190
Well, each meeting you said in a agenda for the next week, there's nothing wrong with saying I'd like to put this on the agenda next week, or I'd like to talk about it.

1058
01:37:58,210 --> 01:38:01,230
There's nothing wrong with that doing that in open administrative session.

1059
01:38:02,450 --> 01:38:11,510
What I tried to do last week was to steer you into putting it on this agenda so that we could avoid an actual vote and any problems.

1060
01:38:11,510 --> 01:38:13,590
already questions like that.

1061
01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:16,290
Okay.

1062
01:38:19,130 --> 01:38:22,170
Time were you still going? What's that? Were you still? No,

1063
01:38:22,250 --> 01:38:29,930
I'm still. I do have a couple of things. Well, no, no, one point on what he just said. We probably

1064
01:38:29,930 --> 01:38:37,790
could have altered the agenda even after it was out. Maybe whatever. We get it Friday, we could

1065
01:38:37,790 --> 01:38:39,950
order it before Thursday.

1066
01:38:40,530 --> 01:38:51,970
Yeah, I try to, unless it or emergency things because of notice requirements, I try not to do it on as late as Wednesdays but certainly sometimes we do even as late as Tuesday.

1067
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:56,130
But if it's an emergency, we can do it later.

1068
01:38:56,570 --> 01:39:06,370
So that was part of last week's conversation because I remember sharing that that we could do it.

1069
01:39:06,370 --> 01:39:10,070
put on the agenda and do it the next day,

1070
01:39:10,290 --> 01:39:13,050
sorry, Sunday, Monday, whatever prior to today.

1071
01:39:14,650 --> 01:39:18,650
So, because I agree that we should not be voting,

1072
01:39:19,370 --> 01:39:21,710
and we should allow the community to engage

1073
01:39:22,450 --> 01:39:27,430
and know what we're voting on, especially when it comes to resources,

1074
01:39:28,890 --> 01:39:30,270
and in this case, money.

1075
01:39:31,550 --> 01:39:34,010
I like to note, does anybody know who that camera was

1076
01:39:34,010 --> 01:39:40,570
photographer. I had no idea. That was like just and just curious who's in the room.

1077
01:39:41,790 --> 01:39:48,830
So did anybody know? Because I didn't see much coverage. I mean, you don't know?

1078
01:39:49,210 --> 01:39:53,310
No, I mean we had what was at Fox 45 here the one time I didn't even know. No, I don't know

1079
01:39:53,310 --> 01:39:57,790
thing in general. I don't know about Fox 45. I'm saying I'm Thursday. Does anybody know

1080
01:39:57,790 --> 01:40:06,690
who is a camera, the video guy, and the young lady with the camera, who they were representing, nobody knows.

1081
01:40:07,790 --> 01:40:14,430
I assume it was Carol Magazine, because I didn't have the logo of Channel 45 that I have no idea.

1082
01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:15,670
But again, I do.

1083
01:40:16,090 --> 01:40:16,450
Okay.

1084
01:40:16,750 --> 01:40:19,830
So nobody knows who they were.

1085
01:40:25,030 --> 01:40:44,930
You know, at least in my view over the time I've been here, is try to lessen the political views and politicize from the dice.

1086
01:40:44,930 --> 01:40:53,590
I know that's just me, others have other priorities and other ways of conveying their thoughts

1087
01:40:53,590 --> 01:41:01,910
and it could be conceived as politicizing or gesturing from the diocese opposed to figuring

1088
01:41:01,910 --> 01:41:09,870
out how we, and I've always taken this, how we apply our resources, our time, our people,

1089
01:41:09,870 --> 01:41:18,790
money and I was not clear besides the open means and and being completely caught off guard because I

1090
01:41:19,710 --> 01:41:32,080
I had no clue what was going to be shared. I think the biggest concern now moving forward is

1091
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:41,480
What is the problem that we're trying to solve with this gesture, with this $100,000,

1092
01:41:42,820 --> 01:41:54,560
it's not clear to me, and I feel that we do have roles somewhat legislative, somewhat judicial,

1093
01:41:54,560 --> 01:42:02,340
mostly executive. I mean, that's really what our roles are. Not saying we don't have

1094
01:42:02,340 --> 01:42:04,360
opportunity to be legislative and judicial,

1095
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:10,060
but as an executive, what is the problem I'm

1096
01:42:10,060 --> 01:42:23,880
trying to solve with applying resources? Is it legal fees towards somebody? I mean, I

1097
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:31,250
don't want this project to move forward. And I do I applaud the community. I, you know,

1098
01:42:32,660 --> 01:42:39,060
applaud us in getting out in front of it, working with the governor, with his staff, with our

1099
01:42:39,060 --> 01:42:47,700
legislators, with the community, with PSE and PGM and anybody else that's willing and PSE

1100
01:42:47,700 --> 01:42:54,120
keep in those communications open and getting in front of them every opportunity we can

1101
01:42:54,120 --> 01:43:04,840
sharing with, you know, the state, what activities happening, so they are aware, oh and our

1102
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:08,680
colleagues to the right and left, Baltimore County and Frederick County.

1103
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:12,180
So I do, I applaud

1104
01:43:12,180 --> 01:43:19,760
that all of that come in together, and I'm trying to think what else can we do,

1105
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:22,900
and a gesture

1106
01:43:23,500 --> 01:43:36,300
that turns into an executive motion of executing $100,000, whether we either market or allocated

1107
01:43:36,300 --> 01:43:48,760
or execute it, I mean, we are identifying a number that is our taxpayers dollars towards something

1108
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:55,140
that I don't know what that something is, so, you know, and again, and I said this last

1109
01:43:55,140 --> 01:44:01,360
week, should it be $100,000 or $100 million? I don't know, because I don't know what is

1110
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:08,040
going towards. If it's $100,000 or we're looking at trying to give $2,000 to every property

1111
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:13,380
owner, or we're trying to give it to somebody for legal fees, or we're trying to use it

1112
01:44:13,380 --> 01:44:24,960
for our own legal fees, I don't know. So just objectively, if no one knows who the camera

1113
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:31,660
and photographer were last week, I'd like to find out exactly who they were,

1114
01:44:33,700 --> 01:44:34,260
and what

1115
01:44:34,260 --> 01:44:36,100
problem we're trying to solve,

1116
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:41,940
and you know we hit the open meetings act which is difficult,

1117
01:44:43,140 --> 01:44:47,820
but that's the side, and then let's continue the conversation from there.

1118
01:44:50,250 --> 01:44:54,750
So, well if I might have the floor for just a minute or two, I mean, I'm certainly not

1119
01:44:54,750 --> 01:44:58,310
infallible, and I'm certainly now without error. Tim, I would be very happy to sit down with you

1120
01:44:58,310 --> 01:44:59,970
to refresh myself on the open meeting squirt.

1121
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,260
Members are taking a several, several of them over the years. I'm going to be happy to sit down to do a review with you.

1122
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:19,860
So, that aside, I think probably the way that I would like to begin the discussion on what we are talking about today is that over the course of the last year, all of us, all five of us, along with staff, along with numerous citizens, groups, our delegation.

1123
01:45:20,060 --> 01:45:28,140
We've all done any number of things in the attempt to stop MPRP from happening. All of us, all of us in different ways, shapes and forms.

1124
01:45:28,140 --> 01:45:34,340
Commissioner of Rossing and Commissioner Kyler routinely talk about how all five of us approach

1125
01:45:34,340 --> 01:45:40,160
The work up here that we do from very different perspectives and from very different life experiences

1126
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:47,400
You know what we all have our strengths. We all have our our specialties and we've used those and brought those to bear in whatever ways

1127
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:53,420
We can as part of a united group against this thing now the motion last week, right?

1128
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:57,520
I understand concerns about being out of order and whatnot to my mind

1129
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:02,640
It was a motion of intent that we wanted to do something, because the second motion that we

1130
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:07,560
made, which was unanimous, was to put the actual mechanic to the actual thing on the agenda

1131
01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:08,420
for this week.

1132
01:46:09,180 --> 01:46:13,120
So questions about opening meeting aside, that's where we are right now is having discussion

1133
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:15,000
about what if anything we do.

1134
01:46:15,740 --> 01:46:21,660
So in my mind, going specifically to the heart of the issue before us today, the idea of

1135
01:46:21,660 --> 01:46:27,200
appropriating $100,000 for anti-NPRP efforts from the county side of things for me.

1136
01:46:27,580 --> 01:46:32,000
I'm looking at this and I'm saying, okay, well, this is being able to demonstrate to our citizens

1137
01:46:32,540 --> 01:46:39,420
that we are taking a, what, another, another concrete action in our efforts against this.

1138
01:46:39,620 --> 01:46:45,220
And so by putting aside $100,000 for me, I'm looking at legal fees, I'm looking at communications,

1139
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:50,340
I'm looking at perhaps salaries over time that might be associated with the efforts that we pose against

1140
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:59,600
NPRP, you know, by specifically designating portion of our reserve or contingency for this, you know,

1141
01:47:00,340 --> 01:47:04,820
and to Commissioner Rawls seems point, if we were to go back into the budget, and so in my mind,

1142
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:08,240
I would want to create a specific line item in the budget.

1143
01:47:08,500 --> 01:47:11,420
I don't know what we would call it, anti-NPRP efforts, whatever.

1144
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:14,500
You know, that would open up the budget process again.

1145
01:47:14,620 --> 01:47:18,680
And yes, we would have to have a public hearing and Commissioner Rawls seems concerns about having

1146
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:22,940
members of the community come in to talk about this, you know, would be of help because we

1147
01:47:22,940 --> 01:47:28,120
would have a hearing to see whether or not our citizens were interested in us pursuing

1148
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:28,460
this.

1149
01:47:28,460 --> 01:47:29,900
Those are concerns.

1150
01:47:30,740 --> 01:47:31,880
I don't have concerns.

1151
01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:35,740
I just have, that's the process that we would do.

1152
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:38,740
It's not, I don't have any concerns in a negative way.

1153
01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:43,340
I'm just, I just, you know, I apologize I've used the wrong language that didn't mean

1154
01:47:43,340 --> 01:47:45,820
in a negative way because I think it's, it's, it's, it's justified.

1155
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:52,420
So in my mind, that was how I would approach this hundred thousand dollars creating a new

1156
01:47:52,420 --> 01:47:57,380
line item in the budget transferring funds from reserve for contingency to that item and

1157
01:47:57,380 --> 01:48:02,240
specifying that these are for these are for legal fees or communications with our citizen

1158
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:07,700
salaries over time, whatever the case might be in our efforts against MPRP and at least that's

1159
01:48:07,700 --> 01:48:09,420
where I am with this.

1160
01:48:12,300 --> 01:48:19,440
So a couple comments. First of all, I mean, I know there's been a couple, there's been some discussion about the cameras.

1161
01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:24,780
Our meetings are stream live every single Thursday and anybody can go back and watch them.

1162
01:48:25,140 --> 01:48:28,980
So the fact that cameras are here are not, makes no difference to me.

1163
01:48:29,020 --> 01:48:31,740
We've got one back there and it's on right now.

1164
01:48:32,340 --> 01:48:33,880
This issue of open meetings act.

1165
01:48:33,980 --> 01:48:37,800
I'd like to get your official ruling on that.

1166
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:47,000
But it sounds like, if there's an issue that should be an agenda item, or is already an agenda item,

1167
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:53,740
we shouldn't be discussing it or litigating it, however you want to put it, legislating

1168
01:48:53,740 --> 01:48:56,580
executive actions during priority peril.

1169
01:48:56,740 --> 01:49:00,140
And if that's the issue, we have done it before.

1170
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:03,920
And last week wasn't the first time, but if we're not supposed to do that,

1171
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:10,780
Well, then we need to hear from Mr. Burke and you can put that in writing and absolutely we should follow this guidelines.

1172
01:49:11,980 --> 01:49:16,880
I didn't feel as though what we did last week was particularly controversial at all.

1173
01:49:17,140 --> 01:49:23,400
And I think what we're supposed to be doing today is discussing that transfer from the river of contingencies,

1174
01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:29,020
not taking any money out of the FY26 budget per se, but adding that additional money.

1175
01:49:29,180 --> 01:49:31,380
What we will spend it on? I don't know.

1176
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:38,940
This, our county budget, we're giving probably about $4.3 million this year to non-profits.

1177
01:49:39,020 --> 01:49:44,020
We're giving probably about $100,000 to different organizations like the Carroll County Arts Center

1178
01:49:44,020 --> 01:49:45,280
and the Historical Society.

1179
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:47,740
It's much of the same.

1180
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:56,920
And in this particular case with MPRP, you've got 70 plus families who are looking at basically

1181
01:49:56,920 --> 01:50:03,700
intrusions upon their own property in a quasi-government agency, it's the best way I can put it,

1182
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:05,800
telling them what they can and can do with their property.

1183
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:11,340
So to me, I don't understand really what the controversy is, how we got here, there's certainly

1184
01:50:11,340 --> 01:50:17,140
disagreement, but I am in favor of taking this money, transferring an out of reserve

1185
01:50:17,140 --> 01:50:22,340
contingencies, what we do with it, I don't think we can decide today, but I think this

1186
01:50:22,340 --> 01:50:26,900
is a serious enough issue that really directly affects

1187
01:50:26,900 --> 01:50:29,740
Carroll County residents, Carroll County taxpayers,

1188
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:30,960
that it's worth doing.

1189
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:33,140
In this other instance, as I mentioned,

1190
01:50:33,540 --> 01:50:35,320
we really know where that money is going.

1191
01:50:35,440 --> 01:50:37,420
Is it going to Carroll County residents?

1192
01:50:37,900 --> 01:50:38,420
I don't know.

1193
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:41,180
Is it going to people that are even citizens of the country?

1194
01:50:41,380 --> 01:50:41,880
I don't know.

1195
01:50:42,700 --> 01:50:45,120
We don't seem to really drill down on that a whole lot.

1196
01:50:45,180 --> 01:50:49,840
I just think that this is a tangible gesture, if you will.

1197
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:51,800
I guess it's a bit of an oxymoron.

1198
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:59,560
But this is a tangible action from the board to transfer money in there and have it in there when and if we need it

1199
01:51:00,100 --> 01:51:06,580
And I would be surprised if we don't I either way I think we're going to end up having this conversation at some point anyway

1200
01:51:06,580 --> 01:51:13,000
So all all how we got us you know how we got here aside and Mr. Burke you're going to help us with that going forward

1201
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,060
I think the question on table right now is

1202
01:51:16,020 --> 01:51:18,880
Do we do we vote to move that money over or not?

1203
01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:20,580
and

1204
01:51:21,780 --> 01:51:25,480
Mr. Zelensky, you are here because we're talking about money.

1205
01:51:26,340 --> 01:51:31,580
I don't know if it now is appropriate time to get your thoughts on how we would do this before we try to vote on it.

1206
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:33,580
I'd like to share a few things before.

1207
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:36,060
And I'd like to share just a few things.

1208
01:51:36,140 --> 01:51:41,420
One, I just don't know what non-citizens, what were you referring to?

1209
01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:43,920
I said what I was saying earlier is I was making the point.

1210
01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:45,880
This is our Carroll County FY20 suit budget.

1211
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:48,660
I think it's about $4.3 million going to nonprofits.

1212
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:49,380
Great.

1213
01:51:49,380 --> 01:51:51,480
We don't question where that money goes, per se.

1214
01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:54,260
We don't know if it's going to people that are citizens of the country.

1215
01:51:54,380 --> 01:51:56,900
We don't even know if it's going to people who are residents of the county.

1216
01:51:57,780 --> 01:52:02,560
So I'm simply making the point that in this action here, we know where this money is going.

1217
01:52:02,740 --> 01:52:08,020
These are going to, you know, hardworking, concerned, carell county residents, many of them are farmers.

1218
01:52:08,540 --> 01:52:09,320
That's where we're all county.

1219
01:52:09,340 --> 01:52:10,440
So that's the point I was trying to make.

1220
01:52:10,460 --> 01:52:10,920
No, okay.

1221
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:17,260
No, I just apologize, I didn't catch where that non-citizens.

1222
01:52:17,260 --> 01:52:25,140
We do know where we're putting our nonprofit dollars and we've identified specific amounts to the

1223
01:52:25,140 --> 01:52:34,140
nonprofits and their stated goals and objectives and envision and we agree to whatever dollar amount

1224
01:52:34,140 --> 01:52:43,980
we're sending to a specific nonprofit for that and those nonprofits are established.

1225
01:52:45,260 --> 01:52:54,380
501C3s, if this is an intent to provide dollars to the 501C3, that's established with

1226
01:52:54,380 --> 01:52:57,400
stop MPRP, then that needs to be specified.

1227
01:52:58,120 --> 01:53:07,820
If it's to provide dollars to the 70 families with $100,000, I mean, why not just take all

1228
01:53:07,820 --> 01:53:17,060
our reserve of contingency and apply it because this is a massive undertaking. We all agree

1229
01:53:17,060 --> 01:53:23,480
we don't want this, but yeah I'm not sure about non-citizens and non-profits. I don't

1230
01:53:23,480 --> 01:53:23,900
know.

1231
01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:29,080
My only point, the only point I was trying to make that in this particular case, we know

1232
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:33,160
exactly who the money is going and who it's trying to help.

1233
01:53:33,260 --> 01:53:37,220
But we don't. We don't always have this. Well we do, because we know the families

1234
01:53:37,220 --> 01:53:44,720
that are affected. So you're saying apply the money to the families. Well, I'm only I'm only stating that in this particular case

1235
01:53:44,720 --> 01:53:54,440
We we actually know who we're going to help. So I think that's a luxury that we usually don't have so so we're talking about you're saying take

1236
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:55,760
all

1237
01:53:55,760 --> 01:54:05,600
this taxpayer money and go towards the 70 families. Well, to support those 70 families. No, not not not not not not a money transfer to those families the money

1238
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:10,640
This effort would be to go to help those families obviously and that that's the only point

1239
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:15,100
I'm not going to have all the answers exactly how we're going to spend the money if we go ahead and vote to do it

1240
01:54:15,100 --> 01:54:19,860
But I think it's important to have it there and I think at some point we're going to have this discussion either way

1241
01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:21,200
So that's why

1242
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:22,780
We're having this so

1243
01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:29,180
No, I'm still going so sorry, so there's some new family. I got that and non-citizens

1244
01:54:29,180 --> 01:54:33,700
Maybe associated with nonprofits. I'm not sure, but I do know

1245
01:54:33,700 --> 01:54:42,520
And I've been doing this for the six years, which is in a whole long time, but we, during

1246
01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:51,780
the budget process, determine whatever amount of dollars we are providing to allocating

1247
01:54:51,780 --> 01:55:02,260
and the next-secuting to specified nonprofits, 5133s, not, you know, process where we

1248
01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:10,420
focusing our attention on 70 families. I'll be that is extremely important and we have put

1249
01:55:10,420 --> 01:55:17,800
a lot of time and a lot of effort into focusing our attention on those 70 families by reaching

1250
01:55:17,800 --> 01:55:23,300
out to the state, by reaching out to the counties to the right and left, by reaching out

1251
01:55:25,660 --> 01:55:33,560
PSEPJM, PSENG, the governor, everyone we can touch and say, don't let this happen to our legislators.

1252
01:55:35,480 --> 01:55:42,680
You know, so our focus has been on those 70 families from day one and will continue to be.

1253
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:45,140
Asking about the cameras, yes, you're right.

1254
01:55:45,220 --> 01:55:48,980
We are always televised and we should be because this is an open session.

1255
01:55:48,980 --> 01:55:55,940
I was just curious if anybody here knew who the specified specific cameraman and photographer

1256
01:55:55,940 --> 01:56:06,040
I just didn't know that they were here, so if nobody here knows what organization they represented or who they were that's fine

1257
01:56:06,040 --> 01:56:12,540
I just I didn't know and I thought somebody here knew, but obviously we don't

1258
01:56:13,600 --> 01:56:23,740
I just don't think that it's understood the intent of this and it's understood the gesture of this and I'm not doubting that.

1259
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:37,460
I believe there is a appropriate method to doing the things we should be doing and appropriate process and this is not the appropriate way of doing it.

1260
01:56:37,460 --> 01:56:55,340
Because unless we know $100,000 will buy us this or will be used for that, why not make it $1,000, or $10,000, or $50,000, $50,000.

1261
01:56:55,460 --> 01:57:00,580
Why not shut down programs, take that $4,000, whatever million we give to not probably.

1262
01:57:00,660 --> 01:57:05,740
Just shut them all down because if there's a threat that there's people there, we don't want

1263
01:57:05,740 --> 01:57:13,360
support and let's take that away and put it towards this. Those are decisions that I think

1264
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:20,340
we should openly have and discussions. And in front of the public and say, this is why

1265
01:57:20,340 --> 01:57:28,520
we want to move these money. I do agree we need a statement on whether in legal opinion we

1266
01:57:28,520 --> 01:57:36,820
file the open meetings act. I think that's appropriate. And you know I don't disagree

1267
01:57:36,820 --> 01:57:44,040
with that. I understand the intent. You know that, you know, from our big

1268
01:57:44,040 --> 01:57:48,680
reality, you said, I think it's the same intent we all have. I just don't

1269
01:57:48,680 --> 01:58:03,540
understand what 100,000 dollars is going to do, I think, and I believe if we are to put money

1270
01:58:03,540 --> 01:58:13,320
somewhere, then we know how much money and where it should go and hold it in a specific area

1271
01:58:13,320 --> 01:58:14,840
a specific action.

1272
01:58:16,920 --> 01:58:22,880
I think our taxpayers, I mean, are looking for us being good stewards of

1273
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:33,340
those dollars. I mean, why not raise taxes and increase revenue to increase dollar amount

1274
01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:39,940
to stop in the NPRP? I mean, that's an action we could take. I don't agree with that action.

1275
01:58:40,720 --> 01:58:49,320
I'm not recommending that at all, but that is another way to bring in revenue to go after this project.

1276
01:58:49,620 --> 01:58:52,080
I mean, there's lots of different ways of doing this.

1277
01:58:52,480 --> 01:59:06,320
A hundred thousand dollars off the cuff on a party carol with no conversation, at least I didn't know of any, to the community.

1278
01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:12,820
I think definitely was not the way we should have gone there or gone here.

1279
01:59:13,960 --> 01:59:17,660
This is not just about this one action.

1280
01:59:17,680 --> 01:59:24,460
There's a lot of discussion that needs to occur for possibly budget transfer

1281
01:59:24,460 --> 01:59:30,260
for MPRP litigation as it's raining in the agenda.

1282
01:59:31,240 --> 01:59:34,680
So, I apologize, you want to talk to them?

1283
01:59:34,780 --> 01:59:35,320
No, no, no, that's all right.

1284
01:59:35,540 --> 01:59:38,740
So, if I may, I understand that we are talking about

1285
01:59:38,740 --> 01:59:40,900
70-some properties in the county, and there's certainly

1286
01:59:40,900 --> 01:59:43,780
our important, I don't disagree with that, but I think it also

1287
01:59:43,780 --> 01:59:47,620
goes to the heart of a larger issue as well, and it affects

1288
01:59:47,620 --> 01:59:48,980
the county as a whole.

1289
01:59:49,240 --> 01:59:51,060
You know, it affects the county as an entity.

1290
01:59:51,340 --> 01:59:55,120
It's our laws, our zoning, our community, our local control.

1291
01:59:55,420 --> 01:59:59,240
And that's what the NPRP strikes at the heart of all around.

1292
02:00:00,460 --> 02:00:11,540
So in my mind, the $100,000 would affect the, I guess, something of a placeholder for the time being. Maybe when we get through the process, we haven't had to expend any of it. Maybe we have to add more to it.

1293
02:00:11,660 --> 02:00:17,800
We've done it before. We've transferred money before. We've had left over money from areas in the budget before.

1294
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:27,080
As far as, you know, it's good to ask about specifics, right? So again, in my mind, I'm looking at maybe legal fees, salaries over time, communication.

1295
02:00:29,420 --> 02:00:33,100
I brought up about Open's meeting violation.

1296
02:00:34,200 --> 02:00:38,240
I think we need to let Ted do whatever presentation he wanted to do.

1297
02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:42,100
Again, I don't know if we legally can pay other people's legal fees.

1298
02:00:42,740 --> 02:00:45,820
We need to know that before we keep talking about it.

1299
02:00:45,880 --> 02:00:49,220
But my concern is, the motion was made was out of order.

1300
02:00:49,420 --> 02:00:50,480
Should I have done something?

1301
02:00:50,480 --> 02:00:58,440
It was a violation of open meetings act, a chimpanzee knows that, and that's the only point

1302
02:00:58,440 --> 02:01:03,940
I wanted to make, and then we, and I'm all for us doing something for MPRP, I don't

1303
02:01:03,940 --> 02:01:09,440
know if we need to transfer, I don't care if we have a line item and a budget, but we need

1304
02:01:09,440 --> 02:01:15,440
to discuss that, but I was more concerned on just talking about the last meeting before

1305
02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:19,260
we started that discussion, but I think we need to, we need to get in.

1306
02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:25,200
And I voted against it because I thought it was out of order and violating open meeting.

1307
02:01:25,360 --> 02:01:30,560
I voted for that let's put it on the agenda because that's what we should have done to begin with.

1308
02:01:31,080 --> 02:01:32,900
And that's my situation on this.

1309
02:01:33,040 --> 02:01:34,700
And I'm all for us to want something.

1310
02:01:35,220 --> 02:01:40,660
I do question, just like non-profits, just like, I mean, we cut Ag Brez the one year.

1311
02:01:41,340 --> 02:01:47,420
Do is it fair for taxpayers, county, why, to pay for a problem with 70 properties?

1312
02:01:47,420 --> 02:01:53,700
And right now, it's not even 70 properties because it's only the ones in the federal court.

1313
02:01:54,180 --> 02:01:55,940
But, you know, we need to adjust as we go.

1314
02:01:56,080 --> 02:02:01,560
And then I wanted, if I had interrupted you, you were talking about the last meeting.

1315
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:07,280
If you have any more to say about that, then I think we need to move on with what we want to do with MBRP money.

1316
02:02:08,160 --> 02:02:13,320
Well, just a couple of quick things, and I don't really recall where exactly I was when you spoke up.

1317
02:02:14,420 --> 02:02:18,280
But yes, it's less than 70 properties or whatever the current number is today.

1318
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:24,420
But I think all of us, whether we can collectively agree or disagree at times, I think

1319
02:02:24,420 --> 02:02:29,060
all of us can come to the realization that it might be 70 properties this time.

1320
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:30,880
This isn't going to be a one and done.

1321
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:32,080
We all know this.

1322
02:02:32,440 --> 02:02:34,300
And I think the public knows this.

1323
02:02:34,780 --> 02:02:39,480
So I think the challenge for us and Commissioner Rossing has some very valid points as

1324
02:02:39,480 --> 02:02:39,860
well.

1325
02:02:40,160 --> 02:02:41,380
How do we want to approach this?

1326
02:02:41,380 --> 02:02:42,340
Where do we want to go?

1327
02:02:42,340 --> 02:02:50,320
great questions. I think the public is I hate to use the word hope. I think they have faith in us

1328
02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:55,620
that we're going to help them and step up because the reality is to put this on the backs of

1329
02:02:55,620 --> 02:02:59,820
whether it's 60 properties or whatever. It's going to affect this entire county be it

1330
02:02:59,820 --> 02:03:07,280
county properties, private properties, and so forth. Now you mentioned obviously we've mentioned

1331
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:11,680
up here about various nonprofits, where does that money go, et cetera, et cetera. Obviously that

1332
02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:15,200
is allocated commissioner Ross Dean has a bear you know I agree with his point there

1333
02:03:15,200 --> 02:03:18,800
about that how that's allocated um into your point about ag press yes the other year

1334
02:03:18,800 --> 02:03:22,820
we did cut it but then this year we've put it back and we've strengthened that quite a bit

1335
02:03:22,820 --> 02:03:26,340
given what's going on on the state level where they've been cutting that away and eroding that

1336
02:03:27,600 --> 02:03:32,580
but to your point I think Mr. Burke had something he wanted to say and I don't want to

1337
02:03:32,580 --> 02:03:37,820
continue on if he had something he was about to say. I think and I just make a suggestion

1338
02:03:37,820 --> 02:03:43,140
go ahead. We are currently involved in this litigation. We're a party. As Commissioner

1339
02:03:43,140 --> 02:03:47,520
Gary said, there's over a hundred parties involved in this litigation. Some of them

1340
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:51,980
have money, some of them don't, some of them represent themselves, some of them are represented.

1341
02:03:53,300 --> 02:03:59,120
It's inevitable during this case that there has to be collaboration between the hundred of us.

1342
02:03:59,320 --> 02:04:03,720
The ones that are on the same side, otherwise we're going to be duplicating our efforts

1343
02:04:03,720 --> 02:04:07,260
stepping all over each other and repeating the same stuff over again.

1344
02:04:08,120 --> 02:04:14,140
I could imagine, Carol County, if we have the resources, stepping up in this litigation

1345
02:04:14,140 --> 02:04:18,600
to say, all right, maybe we'll fund an expert, or when maybe we'll fund this particular

1346
02:04:18,600 --> 02:04:22,820
study as opposed to everybody having their own expert, everybody doing that study.

1347
02:04:23,680 --> 02:04:32,560
The way the 59th board did it, and I hate to keep going back to them, they called it a

1348
02:04:32,560 --> 02:04:39,640
legal fees fund for use in the litigation, and that may be a vehicle to, to park that

1349
02:04:39,640 --> 02:04:45,420
money, to use it to fight the case and to help the citizens by taking some of their

1350
02:04:45,420 --> 02:04:50,640
burden off of them as far as funding the case itself, the experts, whatever we're going to

1351
02:04:50,640 --> 02:04:51,080
need.

1352
02:04:53,820 --> 02:04:55,160
That's my thought.

1353
02:04:59,020 --> 02:05:01,800
From the budget perspective, what can we do?

1354
02:05:02,080 --> 02:05:02,700
What can we do?

1355
02:05:03,180 --> 02:05:04,600
What do you want to tell us?

1356
02:05:04,600 --> 02:05:06,000
We're all ears.

1357
02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:12,320
I came with no presentation or really to say anything in particular.

1358
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:20,800
I mean, I think my role here is if the board decides that you want to do something with some money

1359
02:05:21,140 --> 02:05:26,200
to help you figure out mechanically how do we make that happen.

1360
02:05:28,680 --> 02:05:32,840
I don't think anybody could listen to this conversation and have any doubt that the board

1361
02:05:32,840 --> 02:05:36,440
is against the power lines.

1362
02:05:38,460 --> 02:05:47,200
I'm not sure that I see moving a hundred thousand dollars from one place to another as significantly changing that perception.

1363
02:05:49,740 --> 02:05:54,540
I think my suggestion would be to do nothing right now.

1364
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:59,840
And if at some point you decide there is something we want to spend money on.

1365
02:05:59,840 --> 02:06:04,760
Once we know what that is, then we can do whatever we need.

1366
02:06:05,500 --> 02:06:12,520
And even right now, if we do want to get involved in something that costs us for legal purposes,

1367
02:06:12,860 --> 02:06:17,040
every year we budget some money in Tim's budget for outside council.

1368
02:06:17,300 --> 02:06:18,520
I mean, that's already there.

1369
02:06:19,360 --> 02:06:27,320
Now, if you decide to go somewhere that exceeds that money, we can address that once we know.

1370
02:06:27,320 --> 02:06:30,420
I don't know if you recall how much money you have now.

1371
02:06:30,640 --> 02:06:34,940
Budget 150, we generally spend about 60 to that.

1372
02:06:35,740 --> 02:06:44,240
So we exceed $150,000, and we think we're looking at another $50,000, then we can act on that.

1373
02:06:45,380 --> 02:06:52,520
Now, if you say thanks for the thought, Ted, but that's not what we want, then we can look at some options.

1374
02:06:52,520 --> 02:06:59,040
This one would be to put additional money into Tim's budget for outside legal counsel.

1375
02:07:00,840 --> 02:07:06,280
Part of the problem here for me is it's not clear what this money would get spent on.

1376
02:07:06,420 --> 02:07:08,540
So maybe that's not an appropriate place.

1377
02:07:08,620 --> 02:07:18,340
What if next week, somebody says, I think we ought to rent a billboard on 140 and

1378
02:07:18,340 --> 02:07:29,600
stop MPRP and that's going to cause 10,000. Whether we've set aside 100 grand or not, we can

1379
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:34,540
do that or not do that. If we say we want to buy a whole bunch of signs and give them

1380
02:07:34,540 --> 02:07:42,920
to people, if we want to, if we want to do stuff non-legal fee, how can we do that and we

1381
02:07:42,920 --> 02:07:44,740
don't want to tie our hands.

1382
02:07:45,720 --> 02:07:53,880
Well, with small amounts of money, we could find places to say, okay, here's $2,000 to

1383
02:07:53,880 --> 02:08:02,020
make that happen. Again, if you don't want to figure that out when it comes, if you want to

1384
02:08:02,020 --> 02:08:05,720
know money sitting there, and we're less sure what we're going to spend it on, and maybe

1385
02:08:05,720 --> 02:08:11,280
it's a billboard, another possibility would be for us to move money into the commissioners

1386
02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:16,020
budget, so it's not anybody else's hands to do something with, but it's available for you if you

1387
02:08:16,020 --> 02:08:22,000
need to decide to. And then the other thing that's been talked about is a new line item,

1388
02:08:24,200 --> 02:08:32,980
stop MPRP. I understand the motivation for doing that mechanically, that's the most difficult

1389
02:08:32,980 --> 02:08:40,660
one to pull off. And I'm not sure it's really worth going through what we would have to do that.

1390
02:08:40,660 --> 02:08:48,080
unless the board is committed to, we want to be able to show somebody the budget and say there it is.

1391
02:08:48,660 --> 02:08:59,240
Should we do a work session on this where we talk about things we want to do and things and are they legal and are they can we do it or is that premature?

1392
02:09:00,760 --> 02:09:06,600
It's what I struggle with, this is going to move quickly.

1393
02:09:07,640 --> 02:09:13,820
Now that they have to, or they're going to be to follow their contracts, so how quickly can we?

1394
02:09:14,180 --> 02:09:18,600
Is there anything we can do today that helps us move quickly to fight this?

1395
02:09:22,080 --> 02:09:26,720
I don't think not acting today, it gets in the way of you doing something.

1396
02:09:30,160 --> 02:09:35,360
But yes, I mean, there'll be some, if it's that of $150,000 to them has $200,000,

1397
02:09:35,480 --> 02:09:37,500
and you decide you want to spend $200,000.

1398
02:09:37,500 --> 02:09:46,080
dollars, it's there, and you can go directly to spending that money, but you can do that

1399
02:09:46,080 --> 02:09:47,240
next week.

1400
02:09:47,640 --> 02:09:48,420
We have no good money.

1401
02:09:48,420 --> 02:09:48,620
We have no good money.

1402
02:09:49,700 --> 02:09:49,720
We have no good money.

1403
02:09:49,720 --> 02:09:49,780
No.

1404
02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:50,460
No.

1405
02:09:50,460 --> 02:09:52,800
That's just, that's business as usual.

1406
02:09:52,900 --> 02:09:54,420
That's a transfer like any other transfer.

1407
02:09:54,440 --> 02:10:02,280
In fact, we have the money, so we don't have to park money somewhere, it's there.

1408
02:10:02,280 --> 02:10:06,520
We have money. If we make a determination to

1409
02:10:07,840 --> 02:10:10,480
allocate execute all in same breath

1410
02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:13,320
dollars, we can do that.

1411
02:10:14,340 --> 02:10:16,940
Yes, that's in your hands and there's always in your hands.

1412
02:10:17,220 --> 02:10:20,180
That's right. So ways they have to be open session

1413
02:10:20,180 --> 02:10:21,580
conversation of course.

1414
02:10:22,060 --> 02:10:27,400
About spending it. The only difference would be if you don't transfer money to let's say

1415
02:10:27,400 --> 02:10:30,060
it were for that expert. If you don't transfer

1416
02:10:30,060 --> 02:10:37,020
enough money to cover that. You'd have to have two actions. You'd have to have the transfer

1417
02:10:37,020 --> 02:10:46,800
and then the spending. If you transfer it today, or before, then you just have the spending

1418
02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:53,300
action. Does that make sense? We need to put something on the agenda for MPRP for future meetings.

1419
02:10:53,300 --> 02:11:00,700
Can we assume that in admin session open, we can always talk about new things we want to do?

1420
02:11:00,880 --> 02:11:09,220
How do you always talk about new things you want to do, but you shouldn't spend money that way, but yeah, yeah, I'm yeah

1421
02:11:09,220 --> 02:11:14,060
So the simplest mechanical way because I'm I'm in favor of actually

1422
02:11:14,060 --> 02:11:17,640
Designating $100,000, right and I

1423
02:11:17,640 --> 02:11:20,020
take Ted's point about the difficulties

1424
02:11:20,020 --> 02:11:21,980
mechanically of reopening the budget.

1425
02:11:22,360 --> 02:11:23,460
So I take that point.

1426
02:11:24,100 --> 02:11:27,960
So then with the easiest and most flexible way to do this,

1427
02:11:28,100 --> 02:11:30,860
we'd add $100,000 to the commissioners' budget.

1428
02:11:31,860 --> 02:11:33,300
And then if the five of us decide,

1429
02:11:33,500 --> 02:11:36,120
we need to spend X on, you know,

1430
02:11:36,700 --> 02:11:39,360
litigation, or we need to spend X on over time

1431
02:11:39,360 --> 02:11:40,200
for Tim or something.

1432
02:11:40,280 --> 02:11:42,340
We have that ability to discuss this in open

1433
02:11:42,340 --> 02:11:44,900
and pull from that transfer to the commissioners' budget.

1434
02:11:44,900 --> 02:11:53,780
I think the more likely, that's fine, the more likely thing that you're going to spend additional money on relates to the litigation.

1435
02:11:54,460 --> 02:12:01,880
So my suggestion would be, you put the bulk of the money in the county attorneys, outside the legal council line item.

1436
02:12:02,700 --> 02:12:13,200
And then if you want to put some money toward, you know, communications or overtime or something, then, you know, then I would,

1437
02:12:13,200 --> 02:12:14,980
I wouldn't worry about over time.

1438
02:12:15,320 --> 02:12:16,120
Yeah, I've got it.

1439
02:12:16,120 --> 02:12:16,720
Yeah, I've got it.

1440
02:12:16,720 --> 02:12:16,840
I've got it.

1441
02:12:17,060 --> 02:12:17,100
I've got it.

1442
02:12:17,100 --> 02:12:18,320
Yeah, I've got it.

1443
02:12:18,320 --> 02:12:21,740
That's a bad thing.

1444
02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:22,920
Legification.

1445
02:12:23,480 --> 02:12:24,300
Legal action.

1446
02:12:24,920 --> 02:12:28,520
That's a topic we can discuss in closed admin correctly.

1447
02:12:29,940 --> 02:12:34,960
Yes, you can discuss potential litigation matters or receive legal advice.

1448
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:39,600
But if we need to increase funding for him, then that needs to be an open.

1449
02:12:39,600 --> 02:12:40,360
Yeah, right.

1450
02:12:40,480 --> 02:12:43,200
Not closed admin, you can do it in a closed legal session.

1451
02:12:44,120 --> 02:12:45,360
So, do we go into that?

1452
02:12:45,980 --> 02:12:52,340
So why don't we, instead of $100,000, make it a million dollars?

1453
02:12:53,780 --> 02:12:55,960
I mean, what's the difference?

1454
02:12:57,860 --> 02:12:59,760
Except another zero.

1455
02:13:01,320 --> 02:13:09,500
So, yeah, I'll make a motion that a million dollars be moved

1456
02:13:09,500 --> 02:13:14,160
into outside litigation into the legal office?

1457
02:13:14,920 --> 02:13:16,060
I'll second that for conversation,

1458
02:13:16,260 --> 02:13:17,520
but I do want to bring up a point

1459
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:19,780
to Commissioner Kyler made that I don't know if you feel

1460
02:13:19,780 --> 02:13:22,600
like you've gotten the answer, I don't think you have.

1461
02:13:22,680 --> 02:13:25,300
And that's not taken away from Mr. Burke or Mr. Zelensky.

1462
02:13:25,860 --> 02:13:28,220
You would ask the question from a legal perspective,

1463
02:13:29,300 --> 02:13:31,860
where can we and where can't we spend money?

1464
02:13:32,400 --> 02:13:34,060
So I guess my question, Mr. Burke,

1465
02:13:34,240 --> 02:13:36,800
would be if we were to take whatever amount of money.

1466
02:13:36,800 --> 02:13:56,740
And now let's say we chose to assist the nonprofit MP stop MPRP, are we as a government entity, able to take that fund, that funding, and then pass that along to assist in the litigation with them, or was it to be strictly litigation that we ourselves would have to cover?

1467
02:13:56,740 --> 02:14:00,460
You cannot just authorize money to anybody.

1468
02:14:01,100 --> 02:14:05,660
You have to have statutory authority to make a contribution to Ark, for example.

1469
02:14:05,940 --> 02:14:09,040
I could point to state law that says you can fund Ark.

1470
02:14:10,400 --> 02:14:15,960
Another example is CCV, so there's also a statute to authorize.

1471
02:14:16,060 --> 02:14:23,260
You couldn't authorize money to the Tim Burke 501C3 because you have no statutory authority to do that.

1472
02:14:23,780 --> 02:14:26,540
Nor can you give money to individual individuals?

1473
02:14:26,720 --> 02:14:27,100
Sure.

1474
02:14:27,360 --> 02:14:28,340
Individual property owners.

1475
02:14:32,030 --> 02:14:32,090
But.

1476
02:14:32,090 --> 02:14:32,870
Yes, we're back.

1477
02:14:33,130 --> 02:14:38,970
Is there anything that we can do to if we switch money to commission or to legal to whatever?

1478
02:14:39,670 --> 02:14:42,770
Does that make it easier for us to do something in the future?

1479
02:14:42,910 --> 02:14:45,930
Or we still got to come in here and have an agenda item.

1480
02:14:45,930 --> 02:14:49,230
If we want to spend 20 grand for whatever.

1481
02:14:50,130 --> 02:14:53,390
I would say you still have to come in here to have an agenda item to spend the money.

1482
02:14:53,390 --> 02:14:59,970
and that do, but what's...

1483
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,060
That makes it easier as it's one action versus two if the money is sitting in the proper line item.

1484
02:15:06,460 --> 02:15:07,000
But we're guessing.

1485
02:15:07,040 --> 02:15:07,720
That makes sense.

1486
02:15:07,720 --> 02:15:09,960
At this point, what that line item is.

1487
02:15:12,030 --> 02:15:13,250
Because we're making it easier.

1488
02:15:14,210 --> 02:15:14,230
We're making it easier.

1489
02:15:14,230 --> 02:15:20,290
Yeah, but we're making it educate guests on what that money is going to be used for.

1490
02:15:20,450 --> 02:15:27,490
As opposed to billboards or signs or something else that the commissioners want to get.

1491
02:15:27,490 --> 02:15:33,970
We're making an educate guest that is going to go towards litigation and therefore we should

1492
02:15:35,010 --> 02:15:40,970
Move money to legal to legal so it'll be one action as opposed to two actions

1493
02:15:40,970 --> 02:15:46,430
Well, and I was you know legal and maybe if you want communication things, I would suggest

1494
02:15:46,430 --> 02:15:51,190
Our office as well, but I think you guys just said most years

1495
02:15:51,190 --> 02:15:56,470
There's 150 in legal and you spend about 60 so there's 9-year 100 grand there

1496
02:15:57,210 --> 02:16:05,310
already. So until we use much of that, we don't need to add money. Correct? That's what

1497
02:16:05,310 --> 02:16:13,410
you're saying. That is correct. Yes. And we don't know how much legal fees would

1498
02:16:13,410 --> 02:16:20,010
be. So it could be $100,000 or it could be $1 million. So I'm like, okay, let's throw

1499
02:16:20,010 --> 02:16:26,830
million and we're not thrilled but put a million out of it and if we don't think that's necessary

1500
02:16:26,830 --> 02:16:28,350
then we'll draw that motion.

1501
02:16:30,970 --> 02:16:38,330
So, you know, as I listen to the conversation, I'm still left with if you need money, we

1502
02:16:38,330 --> 02:16:39,290
have money available.

1503
02:16:41,030 --> 02:16:45,090
The board has not actually determined what you want to spend money on or how much you

1504
02:16:45,090 --> 02:16:45,750
want to spend.

1505
02:16:46,350 --> 02:16:53,990
I would still argue for just leave the budget alone for now, and if the board gets to a point

1506
02:16:53,990 --> 02:17:02,630
where you say we want to spend 10,000 or 100,000 or whatever on billboards or attorneys,

1507
02:17:03,910 --> 02:17:05,710
we can act when we get there.

1508
02:17:05,990 --> 02:17:08,550
So with that advice, I will withdraw that motion.

1509
02:17:09,630 --> 02:17:17,090
Does somebody, is it worthwhile to somebody want to make a motion today that we have the money?

1510
02:17:17,250 --> 02:17:18,230
We're hearing we have the money.

1511
02:17:18,450 --> 02:17:24,190
We want to get more aggressive than we've even been fighting this, or we want to continue to.

1512
02:17:24,310 --> 02:17:27,430
How do we want to say, guys, we're serious about this?

1513
02:17:27,830 --> 02:17:34,230
So I think that's an interesting question, because again, I'm Mr. Burke, and I need more time to take a look at this.

1514
02:17:34,230 --> 02:17:40,090
But it seems as though you might have mentioned exactly what we need to be doing.

1515
02:17:40,610 --> 02:17:47,130
This is such a huge issue and it's not going away and it's moving very fast and transmission

1516
02:17:47,130 --> 02:17:48,850
lines get potentially changed.

1517
02:17:49,050 --> 02:17:53,430
There's suddenly you've got people in the crosshairs who thought they were off the hook

1518
02:17:53,430 --> 02:17:54,170
so to speak.

1519
02:17:54,870 --> 02:18:01,970
But you mentioned almost like a program management office function, like a coordinator function

1520
02:18:01,970 --> 02:18:05,770
that wouldn't necessarily maybe have to be a lawyer, maybe it could be a parallel legal.

1521
02:18:06,310 --> 02:18:14,310
Something of that effect to help serve as a force multiplier, if you will, in the county's attorney's office,

1522
02:18:14,990 --> 02:18:20,590
to liaison with the various different legal efforts going on in Carroll County.

1523
02:18:20,910 --> 02:18:31,570
It sounds to me like that might be exactly what we want to do on a very,

1524
02:18:32,290 --> 02:18:42,050
So I understand that, but we did go to the outside legal counsel to assist us in navigating the public service commission issues with the solar.

1525
02:18:42,230 --> 02:18:52,530
Now, again, I know that is different, but it doesn't take away from the fact that it sounds like you might have hinted on exactly what we need to do.

1526
02:18:52,570 --> 02:18:55,430
And I think it would probably involve hiring somebody.

1527
02:18:55,430 --> 02:19:01,050
maybe it's a contract or something that's sort, they work right out of your office, but I still

1528
02:19:01,050 --> 02:19:07,910
believe that this is a big enough issue, it's a critical issue enough that Warren's some sort

1529
02:19:07,910 --> 02:19:14,010
of action like that. But I know you haven't really had a chance to think that through, but it sounds

1530
02:19:14,010 --> 02:19:17,390
to me like that's exactly maybe what we need to be doing and that's going to cost money.

1531
02:19:17,810 --> 02:19:23,910
And good point on solar because there's outside attorneys for a couple, but your office,

1532
02:19:23,910 --> 02:19:30,350
various staff has been very active in making sure we're on a meeting, we can co-host a meeting.

1533
02:19:30,790 --> 02:19:35,990
You're spending time doing that that we're not really, that's just like your job.

1534
02:19:36,170 --> 02:19:41,230
And you have the money, so it's good to do what Commissioner Giron is asking to do.

1535
02:19:41,670 --> 02:19:48,710
You have it in that line, I mean, for outside to bring in somebody or to do something.

1536
02:19:48,710 --> 02:19:58,770
We do have someone from the outside and I'm going to introduce them to you in the next couple of weeks and to speak to you about this and we have discussed it's time to collaborate with all the other parties

1537
02:19:58,770 --> 02:20:01,110
That doesn't necessarily mean up my office.

1538
02:20:01,370 --> 02:20:11,650
They're role particularly the represented parties that make sense for all them to get together and instead of duplicating legal fees divide and conquer I guess if you will.

1539
02:20:11,950 --> 02:20:13,890
You handle this will handle this.

1540
02:20:13,890 --> 02:20:26,050
Yeah, but because what Commissioner Karen said, because I agreed that that's what we should be doing and that is what we're doing and if you need more, then you have that money.

1541
02:20:26,610 --> 02:20:26,630
Yes.

1542
02:20:26,630 --> 02:20:27,250
For the side.

1543
02:20:27,750 --> 02:20:31,050
So that's what that's what the outside council does for you.

1544
02:20:31,050 --> 02:20:34,130
So so we're we're doing exactly what that.

1545
02:20:34,350 --> 02:20:37,690
Your office will handle that and charge us.

1546
02:20:37,910 --> 02:20:40,290
But I would suggest much more.

1547
02:20:42,150 --> 02:20:46,730
to find effort by somebody in your office to do this.

1548
02:20:46,890 --> 02:20:53,050
I mean, almost creating an office of MPRP coordination, if you will, to help us navigate

1549
02:20:53,050 --> 02:20:56,030
through the next, however, years we're going to have to deal with this.

1550
02:20:56,510 --> 02:20:59,650
And I would be surprised to hear you say that you've got enough money for that.

1551
02:20:59,730 --> 02:21:05,890
So that sounds like to me what we need to be doing, and I don't know if that has to be

1552
02:21:05,890 --> 02:21:14,290
or not, but I would want the county, the county's office to review what that might look like.

1553
02:21:14,650 --> 02:21:18,330
It's almost like a program management type role where you're trying to coordinate all these

1554
02:21:18,330 --> 02:21:22,530
different efforts. That's going to cost money. You tell us how much that's going to cost and

1555
02:21:22,530 --> 02:21:27,090
that's how much we're going to transfer over to you. That sounds to me like a sort of a tangible

1556
02:21:27,090 --> 02:21:34,150
way to move forward. And it gives you more flexibility because you're going to need somebody else

1557
02:21:34,150 --> 02:21:36,010
your office for this. I would imagine.

1558
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:41,700
Can you give staff an opportunity to talk about this and think this through?

1559
02:21:41,740 --> 02:21:47,540
Oh, absolutely. That's what I was suggesting. It wouldn't be fair to put you on the spot with that right now.

1560
02:21:47,960 --> 02:21:50,040
That wasn't what I was asking.

1561
02:21:50,360 --> 02:21:51,800
So you really wouldn't need a motion for that.

1562
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:56,040
It's something I don't have to brainstorm and see if we can come up with something that would work.

1563
02:21:56,340 --> 02:21:58,740
Yeah, if that needed to be on the agenda put it on.

1564
02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:05,040
But yeah, it's like we're getting more and more emails from both sides of the fence

1565
02:22:05,040 --> 02:22:12,580
And what I've done is, I try to forward it to commissioners, but I copy you, even though

1566
02:22:12,580 --> 02:22:17,320
you're already on it, so you know we have it too, in case you got to tell us something.

1567
02:22:18,220 --> 02:22:24,040
But yeah, I don't, I think you need to decide, do you, do you want to designate somebody else

1568
02:22:24,040 --> 02:22:29,780
that goes to or you're fine, you get it, and you distribute it to whoever you need to, you know?

1569
02:22:29,780 --> 02:22:36,380
But yeah, and this is going to get quick I think which is why I don't regret that we're having this discussion

1570
02:22:36,380 --> 02:22:38,220
I don't regret that it's only a agenda

1571
02:22:38,220 --> 02:22:46,800
It sounds like we have managed to get to a place where we needed to get to and I just I just think it's going to be much more than just

1572
02:22:47,940 --> 02:22:51,360
Another function of your office, but I could be wrong. You'll let us know

1573
02:22:51,820 --> 02:22:57,060
But we do have the money there and this is not going away and again just remember

1574
02:22:57,060 --> 02:22:59,720
It's not just families involved that are being impacted.

1575
02:22:59,740 --> 02:23:03,740
It's businesses as well and we always do

1576
02:23:03,740 --> 02:23:05,680
what we can to step up for current county businesses.

1577
02:23:06,540 --> 02:23:13,960
So how can we find out rumor would have it that people were

1578
02:23:13,960 --> 02:23:16,120
offered a thousand dollars, two thousand dollars,

1579
02:23:16,280 --> 02:23:19,500
maybe more, to let people come under their property?

1580
02:23:20,360 --> 02:23:24,180
And I've heard rumors that 15 or 20 took it.

1581
02:23:24,840 --> 02:23:26,900
When you said business and made me think of it,

1582
02:23:26,900 --> 02:23:34,920
because I think some of the business farming groups for property they farm, you know,

1583
02:23:34,920 --> 02:23:39,860
I can understand why they take it and have a contract saying you fix any damage.

1584
02:23:40,460 --> 02:23:42,520
But I think, how do we learn?

1585
02:23:42,840 --> 02:23:49,640
I reached out to, no, I reached out to PSNG in her governmental gentleman, Mr. Gilroy,

1586
02:23:49,640 --> 02:23:59,520
And he told me that it was $5,000 and he were doing it in increments of thirds starting from the east to the west.

1587
02:24:00,280 --> 02:24:06,660
And he said that 22 properties, this was a couple of weeks ago.

1588
02:24:07,300 --> 02:24:16,140
That 22 properties had agreed to let the surveyors, which is, I believe it's two surveyors, he said,

1589
02:24:16,140 --> 02:24:19,500
and four additional, like a team of six,

1590
02:24:19,780 --> 02:24:21,360
because they're concerned with security.

1591
02:24:22,800 --> 02:24:25,000
They're owned security, I guess.

1592
02:24:25,740 --> 02:24:26,460
And it's contracted.

1593
02:24:26,540 --> 02:24:27,980
I don't know who's contracted with.

1594
02:24:28,440 --> 02:24:30,320
But he said that they are going on properties.

1595
02:24:31,500 --> 02:24:33,900
And it's really the two servers doing the work

1596
02:24:33,900 --> 02:24:35,360
and then leaving the property.

1597
02:24:36,340 --> 02:24:38,760
And that he said they have given money to people.

1598
02:24:38,900 --> 02:24:43,740
Well, he said 22 properties had already gone through this now.

1599
02:24:43,740 --> 02:24:50,390
How much money was given? I don't know it could have been before the $5,000 it could have been

1600
02:24:51,200 --> 02:24:55,660
I that I don't know we can definitely reach out to PSNJ

1601
02:24:55,660 --> 02:24:58,680
Did he say whether they were all in Carroll or was okay?

1602
02:24:59,080 --> 02:25:03,160
Yeah, he's been from other property. Absolutely. Yeah, I think

1603
02:25:03,940 --> 02:25:05,880
he would be

1604
02:25:05,880 --> 02:25:12,920
Looking at the entire path and not and I I would expect he's looking at Baltimore counties

1605
02:25:12,920 --> 02:25:14,760
Is that, is that public information?

1606
02:25:15,480 --> 02:25:15,800
Do you think?

1607
02:25:16,160 --> 02:25:17,400
Well, now it is.

1608
02:25:17,700 --> 02:25:21,480
I mean, Mr. Goeroy is open to all of us.

1609
02:25:21,720 --> 02:25:22,040
Oh, I know.

1610
02:25:22,260 --> 02:25:22,860
I know.

1611
02:25:22,880 --> 02:25:25,000
In your government, I think liaison.

1612
02:25:26,740 --> 02:25:30,540
He's receptive, I call, and he will call back.

1613
02:25:31,560 --> 02:25:35,260
And I tell him every time that we're talking,

1614
02:25:35,800 --> 02:25:38,800
that he can attribute anything I'm saying to me.

1615
02:25:39,000 --> 02:25:40,900
So when he talks to his folks,

1616
02:25:41,460 --> 02:25:47,640
that they know that it's I'm asking the questions and I'm not asking I'm

1617
02:25:47,640 --> 02:25:53,340
behalf of us I'm asking because I met with him and we built a relationship I

1618
02:25:54,040 --> 02:25:57,740
think three or four of us have already met with him actually all of us have

1619
02:25:57,740 --> 02:26:04,420
because we we've been same place and he's like yet calling time if you have a

1620
02:26:04,420 --> 02:26:12,920
question, but that was, I don't know, maybe a week or two of them, and it was shared last week

1621
02:26:12,920 --> 02:26:13,420
I thought.

1622
02:26:14,160 --> 02:26:14,440
So, yeah.

1623
02:26:15,620 --> 02:26:17,660
And so, is it public information?

1624
02:26:17,840 --> 02:26:18,300
Yes.

1625
02:26:18,740 --> 02:26:19,440
It's public information.

1626
02:26:21,340 --> 02:26:21,520
Yep.

1627
02:26:23,910 --> 02:26:25,970
Do we want to do anything else?

1628
02:26:26,290 --> 02:26:33,510
Do we need a motion for this motion for the county attorney to see if that?

1629
02:26:33,510 --> 02:26:41,930
review the possibility of a off-sacordination for MPRP related activities, because that's what

1630
02:26:41,930 --> 02:26:42,450
we're asking.

1631
02:26:44,470 --> 02:26:45,530
Where's it just staffing?

1632
02:26:45,930 --> 02:26:51,290
Yeah, to see if there's, would be a benefit to staffing, a kind of an effort.

1633
02:26:52,130 --> 02:26:55,550
Where's it just general consent from the board saying, please check into it?

1634
02:26:55,590 --> 02:27:01,250
I get the impression, I don't hear any cry, he and cry that no one wants that, so yeah, we can

1635
02:27:01,250 --> 02:27:02,550
come back with that information.

1636
02:27:03,830 --> 02:27:05,510
Thank you.

1637
02:27:07,580 --> 02:27:10,260
And I also want to compliment all four of my colleagues

1638
02:27:10,260 --> 02:27:12,240
if you're while we have just a brief second.

1639
02:27:13,680 --> 02:27:16,580
This is a very wide-ranging conversation.

1640
02:27:16,760 --> 02:27:21,700
I think we came to a pretty good point of communication

1641
02:27:21,700 --> 02:27:25,780
and agreement on how to possibly move forward with this.

1642
02:27:25,800 --> 02:27:27,900
I'm very grateful for the productive discussion

1643
02:27:27,900 --> 02:27:30,180
that we had today about this and the decision.

1644
02:27:31,400 --> 02:27:32,200
Great point.

1645
02:27:32,200 --> 02:27:36,760
And I think we've proven over whatever it's been two and a half years.

1646
02:27:37,500 --> 02:27:40,880
We don't always agree, but we pretty much can discuss anything.

1647
02:27:41,940 --> 02:27:43,900
And you've only cursed once.

1648
02:27:46,960 --> 02:27:47,740
Oh, my.

1649
02:27:47,860 --> 02:27:49,260
Why did you bring that up?

1650
02:27:49,720 --> 02:27:50,740
Are we done this item?

1651
02:27:50,860 --> 02:27:52,220
Are we fact checking that point?

1652
02:27:54,400 --> 02:27:56,100
Maybe we got to swear jar for the commissioner.

1653
02:27:56,360 --> 02:27:57,200
Yeah, yeah.

1654
02:27:58,500 --> 02:28:02,440
Do we have any public comment either on the phone or physically here?

1655
02:28:02,440 --> 02:28:05,440
I have no one on the phones, sir.

1656
02:28:05,700 --> 02:28:06,700
And you have no cards.

1657
02:28:10,660 --> 02:28:11,820
Edman open.

1658
02:28:12,100 --> 02:28:14,780
Do we have any other items we want to discuss?

1659
02:28:15,180 --> 02:28:15,460
Yeah.

1660
02:28:17,540 --> 02:28:26,440
Motion to approve the closed minutes for land acquisition and legal advice from June 24th.

1661
02:28:27,460 --> 02:28:28,360
Uh, 2025.

1662
02:28:28,880 --> 02:28:29,220
Second.

1663
02:28:29,700 --> 02:28:32,560
Have a motion a second to approve the closed minutes?

1664
02:28:33,020 --> 02:28:34,420
Um, is it was at the 26th?

1665
02:28:35,580 --> 02:28:36,040
Oh, I don't know.

1666
02:28:36,620 --> 02:28:37,800
I think it was it.

1667
02:28:37,840 --> 02:28:39,300
I can't reach 10 to 26 first.

1668
02:28:40,960 --> 02:28:42,040
Sauce if you've deny it, isn't it?

1669
02:28:42,040 --> 02:28:42,560
We can reach your hand.

1670
02:28:42,800 --> 02:28:44,440
Everyone tuned 26 eight nehn um a glasses.

1671
02:28:44,540 --> 02:28:45,360
Still needs glasses.

1672
02:28:46,160 --> 02:28:48,160
Um, I have a motion in a second.

1673
02:28:48,360 --> 02:28:49,200
All those in favor.

1674
02:28:50,080 --> 02:28:50,180
Oh.

1675
02:28:50,180 --> 02:28:52,240
Oh, thank you.

1676
02:28:52,440 --> 02:28:54,060
Any other stuff for admin?

1677
02:28:54,800 --> 02:28:55,060
Open.

1678
02:28:56,000 --> 02:28:56,120
Mr.

1679
02:28:57,560 --> 02:28:58,460
Augent to reveal?

1680
02:28:58,460 --> 02:28:59,560
So,

1681
02:29:01,830 --> 02:29:03,190
thank

1682
02:29:05,590 --> 02:29:06,450
you.

1683
02:29:06,570 --> 02:29:06,930
Hello, one.

1684
02:29:07,110 --> 02:29:07,950
I want to.

1685
02:29:11,820 --> 02:29:12,260
Okay.

1686
02:29:12,820 --> 02:29:14,920
Monday July 7 shows nothing.

1687
02:29:15,800 --> 02:29:16,760
Tuesday July 8.

1688
02:29:16,800 --> 02:29:17,800
Shock trauma board.

1689
02:29:18,260 --> 02:29:19,800
Commissioner Raustine at 8 a.m.

1690
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:21,260
Community solar hearing.

1691
02:29:21,900 --> 02:29:23,360
Northwest Middle School cafeteria.

1692
02:29:23,460 --> 02:29:24,220
Commissioners.

1693
02:29:24,360 --> 02:29:25,760
Collar and Vigliati.

1694
02:29:28,060 --> 02:29:28,880
7 p.m.

1695
02:29:29,060 --> 02:29:30,180
Agboard meeting.

1696
02:29:30,860 --> 02:29:31,420
Commissioner Kyler.

1697
02:29:31,680 --> 02:29:35,560
And I will talk to them and tell them that.

1698
02:29:35,560 --> 02:29:41,180
Because they've even been starting a lower early and just tell them I may not make it.

1699
02:29:41,900 --> 02:29:49,020
On Wednesday, ARC houses, ground breaking, commissioners Gordon Kyler, Rostin and Vigliati

1700
02:29:49,020 --> 02:29:57,740
at 9am, 9.30 a.m., make a legislative initiative, committee virtually, and we're gonna try

1701
02:29:57,740 --> 02:29:58,460
to do both.

1702
02:29:58,460 --> 02:29:59,980
I'll do it in the car, in fact.

1703
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:02,500
If not, I won't go to New York.

1704
02:30:03,000 --> 02:30:12,340
And at 11 a.m. is a committee in term meeting virtual and we're probably safe to be back here and do that.

1705
02:30:14,420 --> 02:30:22,440
Board of Education at 4 p.m. shows no commissioners attending and planning a zoning commissioner at 6 p.m. Commissioner Gordon.

1706
02:30:22,440 --> 02:30:28,440
On Thursday, 8 a.m. close that man, 9 a.m. open session,

1707
02:30:28,760 --> 02:30:34,540
priority, care, MDE Tour of Carroll County is item two and

1708
02:30:34,540 --> 02:30:39,540
and that'll be ongoing with staff while we're here.

1709
02:30:40,640 --> 02:30:45,320
Also, briefing discussion on comment letter for city

1710
02:30:45,320 --> 02:30:47,120
of Westminster annexation.

1711
02:30:47,120 --> 02:30:49,320
She won't be an open session.

1712
02:30:49,840 --> 02:30:51,360
She won't be an open session.

1713
02:30:51,540 --> 02:30:52,000
At all.

1714
02:30:52,260 --> 02:30:52,620
No, right.

1715
02:30:55,740 --> 02:30:57,060
So that will go away.

1716
02:30:57,960 --> 02:31:00,340
Um, do we need to have that on there?

1717
02:31:00,560 --> 02:31:02,480
No, we need to take public comment for it.

1718
02:31:02,720 --> 02:31:02,740
Yes.

1719
02:31:02,740 --> 02:31:03,340
I would accept.

1720
02:31:03,540 --> 02:31:04,120
Just take it out.

1721
02:31:06,060 --> 02:31:06,440
Um.

1722
02:31:08,540 --> 02:31:08,820
Sorry.

1723
02:31:09,380 --> 02:31:12,720
Twenty-twenty-four planning and your report.

1724
02:31:14,360 --> 02:31:17,040
After school program for care county, middle schools.

1725
02:31:20,160 --> 02:31:24,020
contract renewal for, what do we do with Fort Knox?

1726
02:31:24,820 --> 02:31:25,560
That's, that's software.

1727
02:31:25,940 --> 02:31:26,660
That's software.

1728
02:31:28,100 --> 02:31:31,740
And then tech services for Genetech Advantage support.

1729
02:31:32,600 --> 02:31:38,060
And then public works for Millpave and Restripe a parking lot.

1730
02:31:38,580 --> 02:31:42,540
Prime care medical for catastrophic billing for the sheriff's office.

1731
02:31:42,780 --> 02:31:45,980
Prime care medical for MAT expenses.

1732
02:31:45,980 --> 02:31:52,980
Sheriff's Office, spending a 30-genitorial services for the Sheriff's Office, food services

1733
02:31:52,980 --> 02:32:03,300
at the Detention Center for the Sheriff's Office, expenses from Genesis Inc., annual maintenance

1734
02:32:03,300 --> 02:32:11,360
support life cycle management for Department of Public Safety, approved what I execute,

1735
02:32:11,360 --> 02:32:13,400
to change order related to the multi-year service

1736
02:32:13,400 --> 02:32:15,980
agreement with Motorola, public comment,

1737
02:32:16,340 --> 02:32:20,720
admin open, agenda review, Friday shows,

1738
02:32:20,740 --> 02:32:22,840
nothing Saturday shows,

1739
02:32:22,840 --> 02:32:25,200
uh, Rick and Parks annual car fest,

1740
02:32:25,420 --> 02:32:26,520
uh, Commissioner Kyler,

1741
02:32:27,420 --> 02:32:29,680
and Commissioner Vigliati has the podcast.

1742
02:32:31,320 --> 02:32:32,480
Should we, um,

1743
02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:35,740
not to belabor things,

1744
02:32:36,220 --> 02:32:39,320
but should we put in agenda item for

1745
02:32:39,320 --> 02:32:47,840
and PRP discussion on our open agenda, our open end, not open end, but our agenda.

1746
02:32:48,200 --> 02:32:53,760
Let's see how far we get in discussing, tomorrow is a holiday.

1747
02:32:54,820 --> 02:33:07,460
No, no, I'm not talking about a specific, okay, do the guidance we gave, but just to allow us

1748
02:33:07,460 --> 02:33:15,740
because like it was set things are moving fast and if we want to do something, you know, why not?

1749
02:33:15,740 --> 02:33:19,580
I mean, just a regular agenda item that doesn't have necessarily anything.

1750
02:33:19,660 --> 02:33:24,700
Pretty much. That's a good idea. I mean, you know, just to.

1751
02:33:25,160 --> 02:33:30,060
So if we do a the last agenda item before admin open,

1752
02:33:33,000 --> 02:33:37,780
possible action to stop MPRP or something.

1753
02:33:37,780 --> 02:33:45,160
or discussion, I mean, if I have a conversation like I said with PSNG to put it in a place

1754
02:33:45,160 --> 02:33:54,320
where I can open up or with a state or wherever, and it may be nothing, but can you be

1755
02:33:54,320 --> 02:34:00,100
worded so if we end up making a motion to do something, I don't know, was that what open

1756
02:34:00,100 --> 02:34:06,300
admin is? Well, except open admin doesn't provide us a specific topic.

1757
02:34:08,360 --> 02:34:15,480
I see where you're going with this. The problem that I would say is it's not a lot different,

1758
02:34:15,700 --> 02:34:22,240
as you're saying, from open admin, and you can give staff direction in open admin,

1759
02:34:22,700 --> 02:34:29,100
and you still, I would really hesitate to still say even if you had a specific agenda.

1760
02:34:29,100 --> 02:34:36,260
agenda item that you could spend money in that way, so I would suggest that I'd like

1761
02:34:36,260 --> 02:34:37,040
her next.

1762
02:34:38,000 --> 02:34:43,260
It'd be better to, you know, if you could tell me a day or two in advance of Thursday

1763
02:34:44,100 --> 02:34:46,580
and you know, unless it's an emergency.

1764
02:34:47,340 --> 02:34:48,120
That's fine.

1765
02:34:48,660 --> 02:34:51,400
I'm just, you know, what should we do?

1766
02:34:51,860 --> 02:34:52,520
That's fine.

1767
02:34:52,820 --> 02:34:53,860
Let's just have the conference.

1768
02:34:53,900 --> 02:34:55,840
Like you said, have an open admin.

1769
02:34:55,840 --> 02:35:05,440
Well, we're sure we understand that what's the latest that we're not in trouble, we get in a agenda Friday that's pretty fixed.

1770
02:35:06,340 --> 02:35:08,780
This this this week something was added.

1771
02:35:09,080 --> 02:35:09,940
I forget Monday.

1772
02:35:10,860 --> 02:35:11,320
So.

1773
02:35:11,740 --> 02:35:13,200
Two days, my my role.

1774
02:35:13,800 --> 02:35:22,100
So, so by today, if we just understand it by Tuesday, if we see something pop up for this, we need to add it to the agenda.

1775
02:35:22,440 --> 02:35:35,540
And if it's an emergency, I mean emergencies are, you know, are different situations, but, you know, this particular conversation did not seem to be an emergency situation.

1776
02:35:36,640 --> 02:35:36,740
Okay.

1777
02:35:37,920 --> 02:35:51,680
I mean, I'd like our next sort of goals or any discussion on MPRP to be when Mr. Burke gets back to us and that may not be next week with what, and I know this is going to be a staff-wide discussion.

1778
02:35:51,680 --> 02:35:56,900
you know what what this office of coordination if you will might look like and how much it's going to cost.

1779
02:35:57,540 --> 02:36:01,640
And that's that's when I'll be ready to talk about it again.

1780
02:36:02,600 --> 02:36:03,560
Unless something comes up.

1781
02:36:03,560 --> 02:36:04,680
Unless something comes up.

1782
02:36:07,340 --> 02:36:07,660
Okay.

1783
02:36:07,900 --> 02:36:09,240
The week of July, 14th.

1784
02:36:10,240 --> 02:36:13,500
Monday Transit Advisory Council Commissioner Kyler.

1785
02:36:14,200 --> 02:36:17,460
Tuesday Commissioner Rausteen Chamber Breakfast.

1786
02:36:19,260 --> 02:36:21,240
Commissioner's Kyler and Rausteen.

1787
02:36:21,240 --> 02:36:25,520
Do you, does the county have to pay for me to listen to him?

1788
02:36:25,780 --> 02:36:26,840
Is that how I work?

1789
02:36:26,840 --> 02:36:27,920
That doesn't have to attend.

1790
02:36:29,460 --> 02:36:35,840
Yeah, planning and zoning commission or commission or Gordon, veterans advisory meeting,

1791
02:36:36,200 --> 02:36:41,500
commissioners Gordon and Kyler on Wednesday, community solar hearing,

1792
02:36:42,360 --> 02:36:45,340
and evidentiary that we listened to that.

1793
02:36:47,120 --> 02:36:47,220
Yeah.

1794
02:36:47,220 --> 02:36:52,800
10 a.m. and our listen to it. And at 5 p.m.

1795
02:36:52,920 --> 02:36:58,240
Carol Community College Board of Trustees meeting,

1796
02:37:01,680 --> 02:37:03,640
I need the double check on that.

1797
02:37:04,220 --> 02:37:07,500
They skip a month and do a retreat.

1798
02:37:08,000 --> 02:37:09,400
But I'd offer get which month.

1799
02:37:09,720 --> 02:37:11,420
But I'll double check that with Vivienne.

1800
02:37:13,440 --> 02:37:16,040
A-SAC 7 p.m. Commissioner Gary.

1801
02:37:16,320 --> 02:37:21,400
And before we leave that, actually Board of Ed just told me that their meeting was moved.

1802
02:37:21,400 --> 02:37:27,400
from the 9th to the 60th at 4 p.m.

1803
02:37:38,980 --> 02:37:41,980
Community College I mentioned at 5 a.m.

1804
02:37:41,980 --> 02:37:46,980
E-SAC Commissioner Garen on Thursday, 8 a.m.

1805
02:37:46,980 --> 02:37:50,260
and police service recognition breakfast.

1806
02:37:51,900 --> 02:37:56,260
And then we won't do close-by men,

1807
02:37:56,300 --> 02:37:58,620
but we'll have open session at 10 a.m.

1808
02:37:58,620 --> 02:38:00,180
I'm proud of you, Carol,

1809
02:38:04,640 --> 02:38:06,980
and in just, Carol County,

1810
02:38:07,460 --> 02:38:10,040
radiological, radiological, ingestion.

1811
02:38:10,460 --> 02:38:12,400
It's a fun topic.

1812
02:38:13,040 --> 02:38:14,260
Yeah, that'll be exciting.

1813
02:38:14,880 --> 02:38:16,940
And I'm sure there'll be more items added.

1814
02:38:17,060 --> 02:38:19,760
Public comment, admin, open, agenda review.

1815
02:38:20,380 --> 02:38:22,220
1 PM, closed admin.

1816
02:38:23,760 --> 02:38:27,700
And on Friday, Baltimore, Metropolitan Council Board

1817
02:38:27,700 --> 02:38:30,520
of Directors Meeting Commissioner, Ross Dean.

1818
02:38:30,520 --> 02:38:34,300
Saturday shows open and commissioner Kyler has the podcast.

1819
02:38:37,850 --> 02:38:41,130
Any other discussion items or a motion to adjourn?

1820
02:38:41,270 --> 02:38:42,750
Motion to adjourn? Second?

1821
02:38:43,110 --> 02:38:45,210
Of a motion a second, all those in favor?

1822
02:38:45,590 --> 02:38:46,650
Aye. Opposed?

1823
02:38:46,990 --> 02:38:47,450
Thank you.