1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:27,264 >> good evening everyone. 2 00:00:27,264 --> 00:00:30,240 I now call the august fifth, 2026 3 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,245 2026 regular meeting of county 4 00:00:31,245 --> 00:00:31,245 5 00:00:31,245 --> 00:00:33,090 council to order. 6 00:00:33,090 --> 00:00:34,624 good evening everyone it is nice 7 00:00:34,624 --> 00:00:34,624 8 00:00:34,624 --> 00:00:37,014 to see you in the audience. 9 00:00:37,014 --> 00:00:39,656 we invite you to join council and 10 00:00:39,656 --> 00:00:41,076 and administration as we take 11 00:00:41,076 --> 00:00:43,090 this time to observe a moment of 12 00:00:43,090 --> 00:00:43,090 13 00:00:43,090 --> 00:00:44,915 reflection and that will lead into 14 00:00:44,915 --> 00:00:46,714 into the singing of our national 15 00:00:46,714 --> 00:00:46,714 16 00:00:46,714 --> 00:00:46,714 anthem. 17 00:00:46,714 --> 00:01:12,409 [singing of 'o canada'] 18 00:01:12,409 --> 00:02:33,157 we acknowledge the land on which 19 00:02:33,157 --> 00:02:34,889 the county of essex is located 20 00:02:34,889 --> 00:02:34,889 the county of essex is located 21 00:02:34,889 --> 00:02:36,744 is the traditional territory of 22 00:02:36,744 --> 00:02:36,744 is the traditional territory of 23 00:02:36,744 --> 00:02:38,230 the three fires confederacy of 24 00:02:38,230 --> 00:02:38,230 the three fires confederacy of 25 00:02:38,230 --> 00:02:40,938 first nations, comprised of the 26 00:02:40,938 --> 00:02:40,938 first nations, comprised of the 27 00:02:40,938 --> 00:02:42,484 ojibway, odawa and potawatomie 28 00:02:42,484 --> 00:02:42,484 ojibway, odawa and potawatomie 29 00:02:42,484 --> 00:02:43,503 peoples. 30 00:02:43,503 --> 00:02:47,415 we specifically recognize caldwell first nation and other 31 00:02:47,415 --> 00:02:47,415 caldwell first nation and other 32 00:02:47,415 --> 00:02:48,914 first nations which have 33 00:02:48,914 --> 00:02:50,363 first nations which have provided significant historical 34 00:02:50,363 --> 00:02:50,363 provided significant historical 35 00:02:50,363 --> 00:02:52,187 and contemporary contributions 36 00:02:52,187 --> 00:02:52,187 and contemporary contributions 37 00:02:52,187 --> 00:02:53,335 to this region. 38 00:02:53,335 --> 00:02:53,335 to this region. 39 00:02:53,335 --> 00:02:55,841 we also value the contributions 40 00:02:55,841 --> 00:02:57,276 of all original peoples of 41 00:02:57,276 --> 00:02:58,558 of all original peoples of turtle island, who have been 42 00:02:58,558 --> 00:03:00,021 turtle island, who have been living and working on this land 43 00:03:00,021 --> 00:03:00,021 living and working on this land 44 00:03:00,021 --> 00:03:00,448 from time immemorial. 45 00:03:00,448 --> 00:03:00,448 from time immemorial. 46 00:03:00,448 --> 00:03:09,361 all members of council are 47 00:03:09,361 --> 00:03:11,731 present in the chambers this 48 00:03:11,731 --> 00:03:11,731 evening. 49 00:03:11,731 --> 00:03:14,686 I believe councillor mcnamara is 50 00:03:14,686 --> 00:03:14,686 51 00:03:14,686 --> 00:03:17,258 expected to arrive later this 52 00:03:17,258 --> 00:03:21,078 evening, and then we will be 53 00:03:21,078 --> 00:03:22,840 joining us virtually? 54 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:22,840 no? 55 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,666 undetermined at this point? 56 00:03:25,666 --> 00:03:27,930 okay, anyways welcome everybody, 57 00:03:27,930 --> 00:03:27,930 58 00:03:27,930 --> 00:03:28,978 nice to see you. 59 00:03:28,978 --> 00:03:30,525 council members are there any 60 00:03:30,525 --> 00:03:33,054 disclosures of pecuniary 61 00:03:33,054 --> 00:03:33,054 interest? 62 00:03:33,054 --> 00:03:35,885 seeing none, as you know if at 63 00:03:35,885 --> 00:03:35,885 64 00:03:35,885 --> 00:03:37,371 any point during the proceedings 65 00:03:37,371 --> 00:03:37,371 the 66 00:03:37,371 --> 00:03:38,355 the matter is raised for which 67 00:03:38,355 --> 00:03:38,355 you 68 00:03:38,355 --> 00:03:40,653 you have a conflict, please 69 00:03:40,653 --> 00:03:43,221 declare at that time. 70 00:03:43,221 --> 00:03:44,659 before you are the minutes of 71 00:03:44,659 --> 00:03:45,898 the regular county council 72 00:03:45,898 --> 00:03:47,583 meeting, that is the one for 73 00:03:47,583 --> 00:03:50,102 july 15th of 2026. 74 00:03:50,102 --> 00:03:52,509 any errors or omissions to bring 75 00:03:52,509 --> 00:03:52,509 76 00:03:52,509 --> 00:03:52,509 forward? 77 00:03:52,509 --> 00:03:54,768 seeing none, the recommendation 78 00:03:54,768 --> 00:03:54,768 79 00:03:54,768 --> 00:03:56,253 is that the minutes of the 80 00:03:56,253 --> 00:03:59,362 july 15th, 2026 essex county 81 00:03:59,362 --> 00:04:00,841 council regular meeting be 82 00:04:00,841 --> 00:04:03,688 adopted as presented, moved by 83 00:04:03,688 --> 00:04:03,688 84 00:04:03,688 --> 00:04:05,932 councillor shepley, seconded 85 00:04:05,932 --> 00:04:06,477 deputy warden. 86 00:04:06,477 --> 00:04:08,711 any discussion? 87 00:04:08,711 --> 00:04:10,512 all in favour? 88 00:04:10,512 --> 00:04:10,512 opposed? 89 00:04:10,512 --> 00:04:14,715 that is carried, thank you. 90 00:04:14,715 --> 00:04:16,621 under delegations and 91 00:04:16,621 --> 00:04:18,122 presentations, we are going to 92 00:04:18,122 --> 00:04:18,122 93 00:04:18,122 --> 00:04:20,309 start this evening with tyler 94 00:04:20,309 --> 00:04:22,513 reh, tyler is a resident of 95 00:04:22,513 --> 00:04:25,818 essex county, he has joined 96 00:04:25,818 --> 00:04:27,699 council this evening to provide 97 00:04:27,699 --> 00:04:27,699 a 98 00:04:27,699 --> 00:04:28,751 a delegation regarding 99 00:04:28,751 --> 00:04:32,171 artificial intelligence, ai data 100 00:04:32,171 --> 00:04:32,171 101 00:04:32,171 --> 00:04:32,171 centres. 102 00:04:32,171 --> 00:04:37,520 welcome tyler, we will give you 103 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:37,520 104 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:38,674 10 minutes for your 105 00:04:38,674 --> 00:04:38,674 presentation. 106 00:04:38,674 --> 00:04:41,498 the clerk will notify you when 107 00:04:41,498 --> 00:04:41,498 108 00:04:41,498 --> 00:04:43,710 there is one minute left and then 109 00:04:43,710 --> 00:04:45,116 then following your presentation 110 00:04:45,116 --> 00:04:45,162 council will 111 00:04:45,162 --> 00:04:46,153 council will have the 112 00:04:46,153 --> 00:04:48,387 opportunity to ask you 113 00:04:48,387 --> 00:04:48,387 questions. 114 00:04:48,387 --> 00:04:52,957 welcome, please go ahead. 115 00:04:52,957 --> 00:04:54,809 >> thank you. 116 00:04:54,809 --> 00:04:56,641 honoured members of county 117 00:04:56,641 --> 00:04:59,482 council, warden, thank you for 118 00:04:59,482 --> 00:04:59,482 119 00:04:59,482 --> 00:05:00,297 your time. 120 00:05:00,297 --> 00:05:03,708 my name is tyler reh, I am a tax 121 00:05:03,708 --> 00:05:03,708 122 00:05:03,708 --> 00:05:05,576 paying resident of harrow from 123 00:05:05,576 --> 00:05:05,576 124 00:05:05,576 --> 00:05:07,641 the town of essex, starting at 125 00:05:07,641 --> 00:05:07,641 126 00:05:07,641 --> 00:05:09,887 about the age of 15 I worked as 127 00:05:09,887 --> 00:05:09,887 128 00:05:09,887 --> 00:05:10,931 an engineer. 129 00:05:10,931 --> 00:05:13,593 I have about 20 years of experience. 130 00:05:13,593 --> 00:05:13,593 I have about 20 years of experience. 131 00:05:13,593 --> 00:05:16,031 my first degree is from the 132 00:05:16,031 --> 00:05:18,873 university of waterloo in 2010, 133 00:05:18,873 --> 00:05:18,873 a 134 00:05:18,873 --> 00:05:21,090 a bachelors of applied science, 135 00:05:21,090 --> 00:05:21,090 136 00:05:21,090 --> 00:05:22,907 systems design engineering. 137 00:05:22,907 --> 00:05:25,002 then I also have my bachelors of 138 00:05:25,002 --> 00:05:25,002 139 00:05:25,002 --> 00:05:26,771 education intermediate senior 140 00:05:26,771 --> 00:05:27,816 math and physics from the 141 00:05:27,816 --> 00:05:31,139 university of windsor in 2011. 142 00:05:31,139 --> 00:05:33,319 my direct experience in 143 00:05:33,319 --> 00:05:35,118 engineering includes a variety 144 00:05:35,118 --> 00:05:35,118 of 145 00:05:35,118 --> 00:05:36,939 of industries most notably I was 146 00:05:36,939 --> 00:05:36,985 a programmer 147 00:05:36,985 --> 00:05:38,428 a programmer for a majority of. 148 00:05:38,428 --> 00:05:38,428 [laughter] 149 00:05:38,428 --> 00:05:40,349 I can programme in more than a 150 00:05:40,349 --> 00:05:40,349 151 00:05:40,349 --> 00:05:43,396 dozen computer languages and a 152 00:05:43,396 --> 00:05:43,396 153 00:05:43,396 --> 00:05:44,825 test engineer with a research and 154 00:05:44,825 --> 00:05:46,642 and development centre working 155 00:05:46,642 --> 00:05:46,642 156 00:05:46,642 --> 00:05:49,164 on noise and vibration analysis 157 00:05:49,164 --> 00:05:49,164 158 00:05:49,164 --> 00:05:50,089 with various automotive 159 00:05:50,089 --> 00:05:50,089 components. 160 00:05:50,089 --> 00:05:53,173 today I am here to address the 161 00:05:53,173 --> 00:05:53,173 162 00:05:53,173 --> 00:05:54,742 blind spot across essex county 163 00:05:54,742 --> 00:05:54,742 164 00:05:54,742 --> 00:05:57,072 and the rapidly expanding 165 00:05:57,072 --> 00:06:01,039 industrial data centres space. 166 00:06:01,039 --> 00:06:01,039 167 00:06:01,039 --> 00:06:03,075 since may 27th when I first 168 00:06:03,075 --> 00:06:07,802 became aware of the approved iso 169 00:06:07,802 --> 00:06:07,802 170 00:06:07,802 --> 00:06:10,419 100-200-megawatt facility come 171 00:06:10,419 --> 00:06:10,419 to 172 00:06:10,419 --> 00:06:11,811 to the southwest transmission 173 00:06:11,811 --> 00:06:15,058 region, I turned my attention to 174 00:06:15,058 --> 00:06:15,058 175 00:06:15,058 --> 00:06:16,481 data centres hoping to have some 176 00:06:16,481 --> 00:06:16,481 177 00:06:16,481 --> 00:06:17,625 action taken against them. 178 00:06:17,625 --> 00:06:20,735 my biased or means, after careful 179 00:06:20,735 --> 00:06:22,254 careful consideration of the negative 180 00:06:22,254 --> 00:06:24,466 negative impacts to the region 181 00:06:24,466 --> 00:06:24,466 182 00:06:24,466 --> 00:06:27,265 outweigh the perceived financial 183 00:06:27,265 --> 00:06:27,265 184 00:06:27,265 --> 00:06:27,265 benefits. 185 00:06:27,265 --> 00:06:30,889 when these facilities bring 186 00:06:30,889 --> 00:06:33,275 investment, our local bylaws are 187 00:06:33,275 --> 00:06:33,275 188 00:06:33,275 --> 00:06:34,553 not ready for them. 189 00:06:34,553 --> 00:06:36,929 they are completely unprepared 190 00:06:36,929 --> 00:06:36,929 for 191 00:06:36,929 --> 00:06:38,752 for the unique infrastructure footprint. 192 00:06:38,752 --> 00:06:38,752 for the unique infrastructure footprint. 193 00:06:38,752 --> 00:06:41,363 right now we have a fragmented 194 00:06:41,363 --> 00:06:41,363 195 00:06:41,363 --> 00:06:45,001 patchwork in our municipal laws 196 00:06:45,001 --> 00:06:45,001 197 00:06:45,001 --> 00:06:46,425 that leaves communities exposed 198 00:06:46,425 --> 00:06:46,425 199 00:06:46,425 --> 00:06:49,232 to noise, zoning loopholes, 200 00:06:49,232 --> 00:06:51,091 ecological hazards and severe 201 00:06:51,091 --> 00:06:52,499 energy grid strain. 202 00:06:52,499 --> 00:06:55,001 we need a unified framework to 203 00:06:55,001 --> 00:06:55,001 204 00:06:55,001 --> 00:06:57,168 leverage against every local 205 00:06:57,168 --> 00:06:59,779 township and municipality before 206 00:06:59,779 --> 00:06:59,779 these 207 00:06:59,779 --> 00:07:01,211 these projects can even break 208 00:07:01,211 --> 00:07:01,211 ground. 209 00:07:01,211 --> 00:07:03,208 let's look at some of the issues 210 00:07:03,208 --> 00:07:03,208 211 00:07:03,208 --> 00:07:05,931 we have currently around us. 212 00:07:05,931 --> 00:07:08,420 in essex data centres can be 213 00:07:08,420 --> 00:07:10,170 inappropriately lumped under the 214 00:07:10,170 --> 00:07:10,170 215 00:07:10,170 --> 00:07:12,989 standard zoning bylaws as light 216 00:07:12,989 --> 00:07:12,989 217 00:07:12,989 --> 00:07:12,989 industrial. 218 00:07:12,989 --> 00:07:16,638 in amherstburg looking at the noise 219 00:07:16,638 --> 00:07:17,702 noise bylaws to address 220 00:07:17,702 --> 00:07:20,484 continuous low frequency hum, 221 00:07:20,484 --> 00:07:22,787 massive cooling fans, with a 222 00:07:22,787 --> 00:07:23,710 decibel metric. 223 00:07:23,710 --> 00:07:26,909 preferably we will use something 224 00:07:26,909 --> 00:07:26,909 like 225 00:07:26,909 --> 00:07:28,583 like db z. 226 00:07:28,583 --> 00:07:30,555 in lakeshore, we must improve 227 00:07:30,555 --> 00:07:33,414 site control plan bylaws by adding 228 00:07:33,414 --> 00:07:34,686 adding stipulation that can 229 00:07:34,686 --> 00:07:37,408 calculate the massive structural 230 00:07:37,408 --> 00:07:37,408 231 00:07:37,408 --> 00:07:37,408 footprint. 232 00:07:37,408 --> 00:07:40,795 and that it causes extreme water 233 00:07:40,795 --> 00:07:40,795 234 00:07:40,795 --> 00:07:42,944 displacement, and we need to 235 00:07:42,944 --> 00:07:45,335 prevent massive structures from 236 00:07:45,335 --> 00:07:45,335 237 00:07:45,335 --> 00:07:47,590 altering that agricultural 238 00:07:47,590 --> 00:07:49,376 drainage basin. 239 00:07:49,376 --> 00:07:52,251 in tecumseh we must focus on 240 00:07:52,251 --> 00:07:53,664 property standards and nuisance 241 00:07:53,664 --> 00:07:53,664 242 00:07:53,664 --> 00:07:56,903 bylaws to restrict local heat effects 243 00:07:56,903 --> 00:07:59,144 effects from these server 244 00:07:59,144 --> 00:08:00,534 exhausts, in lasalle we need 245 00:08:00,534 --> 00:08:01,977 strict public utility and 246 00:08:01,977 --> 00:08:04,536 development bylaws to offset the 247 00:08:04,536 --> 00:08:04,536 248 00:08:04,536 --> 00:08:06,503 sudden burden on the local 249 00:08:06,503 --> 00:08:07,829 municipality grids. 250 00:08:07,829 --> 00:08:10,626 in kingsville we have to look to 251 00:08:10,626 --> 00:08:10,626 leverage 252 00:08:10,626 --> 00:08:11,405 leverage environmental 253 00:08:11,405 --> 00:08:13,786 protection zoning overlay bylaws 254 00:08:13,786 --> 00:08:13,786 255 00:08:13,786 --> 00:08:16,780 to protect such as ecozones from 256 00:08:16,780 --> 00:08:16,780 these 257 00:08:16,780 --> 00:08:18,608 these facilities footprints. 258 00:08:18,608 --> 00:08:21,062 in leamington we must look at 259 00:08:21,062 --> 00:08:23,860 specific land use restrictions 260 00:08:23,860 --> 00:08:23,860 261 00:08:23,860 --> 00:08:26,501 for industrial land from taking 262 00:08:26,501 --> 00:08:26,501 263 00:08:26,501 --> 00:08:29,307 over prime industrial land. 264 00:08:29,307 --> 00:08:31,363 and finally I will throw in the 265 00:08:31,363 --> 00:08:31,363 266 00:08:31,363 --> 00:08:32,661 city of windsor because they are 267 00:08:32,661 --> 00:08:32,661 268 00:08:32,661 --> 00:08:34,650 probably in the worst state of 269 00:08:34,650 --> 00:08:34,650 270 00:08:34,650 --> 00:08:34,650 anybody. 271 00:08:34,650 --> 00:08:38,316 under theirs, data centres are 272 00:08:38,316 --> 00:08:38,316 hidden 273 00:08:38,316 --> 00:08:39,751 hidden under the zoning 274 00:08:39,751 --> 00:08:42,348 definitions as mere business 275 00:08:42,348 --> 00:08:44,439 offices, they can be both industrial as 276 00:08:44,439 --> 00:08:45,956 industrial as well as commercial 277 00:08:45,956 --> 00:08:45,956 278 00:08:45,956 --> 00:08:47,249 based on the way everything is 279 00:08:47,249 --> 00:08:47,249 280 00:08:47,249 --> 00:08:49,022 written now. 281 00:08:49,022 --> 00:08:50,888 zoning is only part of the 282 00:08:50,888 --> 00:08:53,159 problems we face that are not 283 00:08:53,159 --> 00:08:55,117 actually fully taken care of geq 284 00:08:55,117 --> 00:08:55,117 285 00:08:55,117 --> 00:08:57,066 beyond zoning we face silent 286 00:08:57,066 --> 00:08:58,855 chemical threats, data centres 287 00:08:58,855 --> 00:08:58,855 288 00:08:58,855 --> 00:09:01,605 that rely on advanced cooling 289 00:09:01,605 --> 00:09:03,106 which can have specialized 290 00:09:03,106 --> 00:09:04,564 refrigerants and fire 291 00:09:04,564 --> 00:09:04,564 suppressants. 292 00:09:04,564 --> 00:09:09,487 these can be major sources of 293 00:09:09,487 --> 00:09:13,119 trifluoro acetate, tfa, 294 00:09:13,119 --> 00:09:13,119 precursors. 295 00:09:13,119 --> 00:09:16,357 basically the refrigerants can 296 00:09:16,357 --> 00:09:16,357 297 00:09:16,357 --> 00:09:19,394 break down into a forever 298 00:09:19,394 --> 00:09:19,394 chemical. 299 00:09:19,394 --> 00:09:23,169 when these cooling systems leak 300 00:09:23,169 --> 00:09:23,169 this 301 00:09:23,169 --> 00:09:24,527 this can get into our 302 00:09:24,527 --> 00:09:27,695 wastewater, soil, et cetera. 303 00:09:27,695 --> 00:09:29,197 there is really no way of 304 00:09:29,197 --> 00:09:30,950 getting rid of them. 305 00:09:30,950 --> 00:09:32,417 standard wastewater treatment 306 00:09:32,417 --> 00:09:35,228 plants are completely incapable 307 00:09:35,228 --> 00:09:35,228 of 308 00:09:35,228 --> 00:09:36,208 of filtering out tfa. 309 00:09:36,208 --> 00:09:39,407 it passes directly through a 310 00:09:39,407 --> 00:09:41,628 treatment cycle accumulating primarily 311 00:09:41,628 --> 00:09:43,483 primarily in our local water 312 00:09:43,483 --> 00:09:45,989 systems, agricultural soil and 313 00:09:45,989 --> 00:09:45,989 314 00:09:45,989 --> 00:09:48,183 guarantee our drinking water. 315 00:09:48,183 --> 00:09:49,650 spills and leaks under 316 00:09:49,650 --> 00:09:51,747 10 kilograms do not have to be 317 00:09:51,747 --> 00:09:51,747 318 00:09:51,747 --> 00:09:54,887 reported within ontario. 319 00:09:54,887 --> 00:09:58,294 infrasound frequencies under 320 00:09:58,294 --> 00:09:59,724 20-hertz have been shown to cause 321 00:09:59,724 --> 00:10:02,181 cause issues to plants, animals 322 00:10:02,181 --> 00:10:02,181 323 00:10:02,181 --> 00:10:02,963 and humans. 324 00:10:02,963 --> 00:10:04,614 currently all regulations for 325 00:10:04,614 --> 00:10:08,043 sound are nuisance bylaws set 326 00:10:08,043 --> 00:10:12,691 under dba, so this actually cuts 327 00:10:12,691 --> 00:10:12,691 328 00:10:12,691 --> 00:10:15,912 out the lowest frequencies, and 329 00:10:15,912 --> 00:10:15,912 330 00:10:15,912 --> 00:10:17,274 that's where a majority of the 331 00:10:17,274 --> 00:10:17,274 332 00:10:17,274 --> 00:10:19,528 data center noise comes from. 333 00:10:19,528 --> 00:10:21,597 they have actually been able to 334 00:10:21,597 --> 00:10:21,597 335 00:10:21,597 --> 00:10:24,228 skirt bylaws and basically be a 336 00:10:24,228 --> 00:10:24,228 337 00:10:24,228 --> 00:10:27,695 nuisance but still fall within 338 00:10:27,695 --> 00:10:27,695 339 00:10:27,695 --> 00:10:31,645 the decibel limits set by the 340 00:10:31,645 --> 00:10:34,197 township. >> 341 00:10:34,197 --> 00:10:37,485 >> and then there is the whole 342 00:10:37,485 --> 00:10:37,485 343 00:10:37,485 --> 00:10:38,883 math on energy. 344 00:10:38,883 --> 00:10:42,718 in windsor essex there is 345 00:10:42,718 --> 00:10:44,585 already an energy intensive 346 00:10:44,585 --> 00:10:47,311 region, a few like leamington 347 00:10:47,311 --> 00:10:51,625 they already have 1300 megawatts 348 00:10:51,625 --> 00:10:51,625 of 349 00:10:51,625 --> 00:10:53,610 of applications to sustain the 350 00:10:53,610 --> 00:10:53,610 351 00:10:53,610 --> 00:10:55,857 growth in their greenhouse 352 00:10:55,857 --> 00:10:55,857 industry. 353 00:10:55,857 --> 00:10:58,827 that is before we even get one of 354 00:10:58,827 --> 00:11:00,674 of these large 200 plus megawatt 355 00:11:00,674 --> 00:11:00,674 356 00:11:00,674 --> 00:11:00,674 facilities. 357 00:11:00,674 --> 00:11:05,760 food security is the big economic 358 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,440 economic backbone of our towns 359 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:07,440 360 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,473 here, I personally like to keep 361 00:11:09,473 --> 00:11:09,473 362 00:11:09,473 --> 00:11:12,242 it that way. 363 00:11:12,242 --> 00:11:15,728 however data from independent 364 00:11:15,728 --> 00:11:17,689 electricity systems operator 365 00:11:17,689 --> 00:11:20,751 reveal our region capacity is 366 00:11:20,751 --> 00:11:22,598 already short when it comes to 367 00:11:22,598 --> 00:11:22,598 368 00:11:22,598 --> 00:11:24,533 transmission stations. 369 00:11:24,533 --> 00:11:26,836 I found a piece of data that 370 00:11:26,836 --> 00:11:29,015 says the independent board's 371 00:11:29,015 --> 00:11:31,145 regional planning forecast shows 372 00:11:31,145 --> 00:11:31,145 373 00:11:31,145 --> 00:11:33,726 by 2032 we will already be 374 00:11:33,726 --> 00:11:34,909 230 megawatts short of meeting 375 00:11:34,909 --> 00:11:34,909 376 00:11:34,909 --> 00:11:36,423 the basic industrial and 377 00:11:36,423 --> 00:11:39,074 development advance, we will 378 00:11:39,074 --> 00:11:40,530 already be in a deficit based on what 379 00:11:40,530 --> 00:11:42,952 what I have been able to figure 380 00:11:42,952 --> 00:11:42,952 381 00:11:42,952 --> 00:11:42,952 out. 382 00:11:42,952 --> 00:11:45,252 the main thing everybody is 383 00:11:45,252 --> 00:11:46,879 worried about in here half the 384 00:11:46,879 --> 00:11:46,879 385 00:11:46,879 --> 00:11:49,515 time is money I will go through 386 00:11:49,515 --> 00:11:49,515 387 00:11:49,515 --> 00:11:51,192 why you won't see as much money 388 00:11:51,192 --> 00:11:51,238 out of this 389 00:11:51,238 --> 00:11:52,754 out of this as you think you 390 00:11:52,754 --> 00:11:52,754 are. 391 00:11:52,754 --> 00:11:56,011 using that 200 megawatts as a 392 00:11:56,011 --> 00:12:01,755 basis, if we use 30-40000000 per 393 00:12:01,755 --> 00:12:01,755 394 00:12:01,755 --> 00:12:03,739 megawatt as our basis, you are 395 00:12:03,739 --> 00:12:03,785 likely to 396 00:12:03,785 --> 00:12:05,333 likely to see the total cost of 397 00:12:05,333 --> 00:12:05,333 398 00:12:05,333 --> 00:12:09,358 the facility between somewhere 399 00:12:09,358 --> 00:12:09,358 six 400 00:12:09,358 --> 00:12:09,996 six and $8 billion. 401 00:12:09,996 --> 00:12:13,370 60-70% of that is spent on the 402 00:12:13,370 --> 00:12:13,370 403 00:12:13,370 --> 00:12:15,367 gpu, technology itself, which we 404 00:12:15,367 --> 00:12:15,367 do 405 00:12:15,367 --> 00:12:16,559 do not make here. 406 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,946 all probably coming from 407 00:12:18,946 --> 00:12:18,946 overseas. 408 00:12:18,946 --> 00:12:23,233 when you see who might actually 409 00:12:23,233 --> 00:12:23,233 410 00:12:23,233 --> 00:12:25,422 become the primary person who is 411 00:12:25,422 --> 00:12:25,422 412 00:12:25,422 --> 00:12:28,329 going to create this facility, 413 00:12:28,329 --> 00:12:28,329 414 00:12:28,329 --> 00:12:30,570 it will more likely not be our 415 00:12:30,570 --> 00:12:30,570 416 00:12:30,570 --> 00:12:31,901 construction companies. 417 00:12:31,901 --> 00:12:33,795 they don't specialize in this 418 00:12:33,795 --> 00:12:36,235 type of building, this type of 419 00:12:36,235 --> 00:12:36,235 420 00:12:36,235 --> 00:12:36,235 infrastructure. 421 00:12:36,235 --> 00:12:39,632 more likely to be alice and don 422 00:12:39,632 --> 00:12:39,632 423 00:12:39,632 --> 00:12:41,700 or pcl construction, that takes 424 00:12:41,700 --> 00:12:41,700 425 00:12:41,700 --> 00:12:43,544 a majority of the initial 426 00:12:43,544 --> 00:12:44,977 contract outside the county. 427 00:12:44,977 --> 00:12:47,655 you are only likely to see a 428 00:12:47,655 --> 00:12:51,073 75-80% of what is remaining of 429 00:12:51,073 --> 00:12:51,073 430 00:12:51,073 --> 00:12:51,983 that 3.8 billion stay in the 431 00:12:51,983 --> 00:12:53,884 counties less than a billion 432 00:12:53,884 --> 00:12:55,368 dollars will actually stay here 433 00:12:55,368 --> 00:12:55,368 in 434 00:12:55,368 --> 00:12:56,352 in the county. 435 00:12:56,352 --> 00:12:59,393 a majority will leave. 436 00:12:59,393 --> 00:13:01,012 on top of that you're thinking 437 00:13:01,012 --> 00:13:01,012 438 00:13:01,012 --> 00:13:02,309 it'll bring jobs. 439 00:13:02,309 --> 00:13:04,700 to 100-megawatt facility is a 440 00:13:04,700 --> 00:13:07,506 maximum of 80 jobs total. 441 00:13:07,506 --> 00:13:10,521 should have somewhere between 5,010,000 442 00:13:10,521 --> 00:13:12,302 5,010,000 square feet per 443 00:13:12,302 --> 00:13:15,895 employee in order to house and 444 00:13:15,895 --> 00:13:15,895 445 00:13:15,895 --> 00:13:17,930 create these jobs here. 446 00:13:17,930 --> 00:13:20,559 if we look at amherstburg 447 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,834 specifically, our official plan, 448 00:13:23,834 --> 00:13:23,834 300 449 00:13:23,834 --> 00:13:25,911 300 square feet as their target. 450 00:13:25,911 --> 00:13:25,911 300 square feet as their target. 451 00:13:25,911 --> 00:13:29,299 it will not help us with job density 452 00:13:29,299 --> 00:13:31,313 density whatsoever. 453 00:13:31,313 --> 00:13:34,531 in summary we cannot manage a 454 00:13:34,531 --> 00:13:36,726 21st century technological boom 455 00:13:36,726 --> 00:13:36,726 456 00:13:36,726 --> 00:13:39,900 without data and disjointed municipal 457 00:13:39,900 --> 00:13:41,743 municipal bylaws, I urge county 458 00:13:41,743 --> 00:13:41,743 459 00:13:41,743 --> 00:13:43,282 council to mandate a 460 00:13:43,282 --> 00:13:45,063 synchronized region wide 461 00:13:45,063 --> 00:13:46,517 regulatory framework that will 462 00:13:46,517 --> 00:13:46,517 463 00:13:46,517 --> 00:13:48,848 protect our water, secure our 464 00:13:48,848 --> 00:13:51,179 power grid and put in the safety 465 00:13:51,179 --> 00:13:51,179 of 466 00:13:51,179 --> 00:13:52,967 of essex county residents first. 467 00:13:52,967 --> 00:13:52,967 of essex county residents first. 468 00:13:52,967 --> 00:13:55,860 one particular note I want to 469 00:13:55,860 --> 00:13:56,872 make to the document you are 470 00:13:56,872 --> 00:14:00,086 seeing on the screen, this is a 471 00:14:00,086 --> 00:14:00,086 472 00:14:00,086 --> 00:14:01,482 briefing I created a. 473 00:14:01,482 --> 00:14:04,202 within it I believe it is under 474 00:14:04,202 --> 00:14:04,202 475 00:14:04,202 --> 00:14:06,404 section six, part one. 476 00:14:06,404 --> 00:14:09,153 you will see I estimate about 90k to 477 00:14:09,153 --> 00:14:10,300 90k to do this study. 478 00:14:10,300 --> 00:14:13,533 I expect that having talked to 479 00:14:13,533 --> 00:14:13,533 480 00:14:13,533 --> 00:14:16,437 the deputy cao that amherstburg 481 00:14:16,437 --> 00:14:16,437 482 00:14:16,437 --> 00:14:18,843 they think it's about 200k in 483 00:14:18,843 --> 00:14:20,657 order to I.c.e. Be. 484 00:14:20,657 --> 00:14:22,715 what I would like to see is 485 00:14:22,715 --> 00:14:25,091 overlap and how that money is spent so 486 00:14:25,091 --> 00:14:26,436 spent so we can leverage 487 00:14:26,436 --> 00:14:30,433 learnings here if any particular 488 00:14:30,433 --> 00:14:30,433 489 00:14:30,433 --> 00:14:31,479 township wants to put that in. 490 00:14:31,479 --> 00:14:32,964 I have considerably more 491 00:14:32,964 --> 00:14:34,794 information on time and I'm 492 00:14:34,794 --> 00:14:35,827 hoping to get some 493 00:14:35,827 --> 00:14:37,246 questionnaire, thanks everybody 494 00:14:37,246 --> 00:14:37,246 495 00:14:37,246 --> 00:14:38,654 for your time. >> 496 00:14:38,654 --> 00:14:40,865 >> thank you tyler, walden. 497 00:14:40,865 --> 00:14:43,688 questions council members? 498 00:14:43,688 --> 00:14:45,551 deputy warden? >> 499 00:14:45,551 --> 00:14:47,351 >> through you warden, thank you 500 00:14:47,351 --> 00:14:47,351 501 00:14:47,351 --> 00:14:49,781 for coming and raising this 502 00:14:49,781 --> 00:14:49,781 issue. 503 00:14:49,781 --> 00:14:52,020 until maybe a month ago this 504 00:14:52,020 --> 00:14:53,809 wasn't on the radar. 505 00:14:53,809 --> 00:14:56,711 the fact that you are bringing 506 00:14:56,711 --> 00:14:56,711 507 00:14:56,711 --> 00:15:00,320 education to us, very important 508 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:00,320 509 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:01,349 and thank you to all the residents 510 00:15:01,349 --> 00:15:03,211 residents that came out for this 511 00:15:03,211 --> 00:15:03,211 512 00:15:03,211 --> 00:15:03,211 issue. 513 00:15:03,211 --> 00:15:07,118 my question is, based on some of the 514 00:15:07,118 --> 00:15:08,894 the news that has been shared, 515 00:15:08,894 --> 00:15:08,894 516 00:15:08,894 --> 00:15:10,778 you see places in michigan and 517 00:15:10,778 --> 00:15:10,778 518 00:15:10,778 --> 00:15:12,786 others that have these in the 519 00:15:12,786 --> 00:15:15,446 noise itself is just 520 00:15:15,446 --> 00:15:15,446 excruciating. 521 00:15:15,446 --> 00:15:18,240 unbelievable something like that 522 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:18,240 523 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,296 would exist in this area, 524 00:15:22,296 --> 00:15:24,324 thinking of windsor essex. 525 00:15:24,324 --> 00:15:26,269 my question is do you feel this 526 00:15:26,269 --> 00:15:26,269 527 00:15:26,269 --> 00:15:29,027 is a public hazard, public 528 00:15:29,027 --> 00:15:29,027 nuisance? 529 00:15:29,027 --> 00:15:31,859 if so it would be worthwhile to also 530 00:15:31,859 --> 00:15:34,897 also do your presentation at the 531 00:15:34,897 --> 00:15:34,897 532 00:15:34,897 --> 00:15:37,349 windsor windsor essex county 533 00:15:37,349 --> 00:15:38,503 health unit because there's a 534 00:15:38,503 --> 00:15:41,005 lot of issues you raised that 535 00:15:41,005 --> 00:15:42,833 also addresses because they are 536 00:15:42,833 --> 00:15:42,833 537 00:15:42,833 --> 00:15:46,007 responsible for public health. 538 00:15:46,007 --> 00:15:46,007 539 00:15:46,007 --> 00:15:49,239 >> through you warden and, 540 00:15:49,239 --> 00:15:54,592 specifically to your question on 541 00:15:54,592 --> 00:15:54,592 542 00:15:54,592 --> 00:15:58,482 -- let me rephrase this -- do 543 00:15:58,482 --> 00:16:00,111 you mind repeating the end of 544 00:16:00,111 --> 00:16:01,669 the question? 545 00:16:01,669 --> 00:16:04,335 >> would the regular person 546 00:16:04,335 --> 00:16:06,773 yourself included feel that this 547 00:16:06,773 --> 00:16:06,773 548 00:16:06,773 --> 00:16:09,621 data is a public nuisance and 549 00:16:09,621 --> 00:16:10,874 public hazard? 550 00:16:10,874 --> 00:16:12,735 and if so, would it be 551 00:16:12,735 --> 00:16:15,556 worthwhile to engage the health 552 00:16:15,556 --> 00:16:15,556 553 00:16:15,556 --> 00:16:18,373 unit based on the motions this 554 00:16:18,373 --> 00:16:18,373 555 00:16:18,373 --> 00:16:20,581 evening, there is a report talking 556 00:16:20,581 --> 00:16:21,614 talking about maybe we should do 557 00:16:21,614 --> 00:16:21,614 558 00:16:21,614 --> 00:16:23,436 a task force. 559 00:16:23,436 --> 00:16:27,153 end of the day I support having 560 00:16:27,153 --> 00:16:27,153 that 561 00:16:27,153 --> 00:16:28,185 that town deal with it, we are 562 00:16:28,185 --> 00:16:28,185 563 00:16:28,185 --> 00:16:29,793 all on the same page if it were 564 00:16:29,793 --> 00:16:29,793 565 00:16:29,793 --> 00:16:31,637 to come to the lower 566 00:16:31,637 --> 00:16:31,637 municipalities. 567 00:16:31,637 --> 00:16:36,401 overall with the health unit 568 00:16:36,401 --> 00:16:39,657 being an opportunity for them to 569 00:16:39,657 --> 00:16:39,657 570 00:16:39,657 --> 00:16:41,147 be aware of this as well. >> 571 00:16:41,147 --> 00:16:43,171 >> through you warden yes, we 572 00:16:43,171 --> 00:16:44,955 should have lots of different 573 00:16:44,955 --> 00:16:46,330 people involved. 574 00:16:46,330 --> 00:16:47,981 it would be largely legal putting 575 00:16:47,981 --> 00:16:49,432 putting in some of the bylaws 576 00:16:49,432 --> 00:16:51,073 around this, specifically the 577 00:16:51,073 --> 00:16:54,677 way I think can be -- we can very 578 00:16:54,677 --> 00:16:56,311 very specifically put in bylaws 579 00:16:56,311 --> 00:16:56,311 580 00:16:56,311 --> 00:16:57,203 against them. 581 00:16:57,203 --> 00:16:59,964 we have sound bylaws that our 582 00:16:59,964 --> 00:17:03,403 governed slightly by ontario 583 00:17:03,403 --> 00:17:05,424 laws, can't step on those too 584 00:17:05,424 --> 00:17:05,424 much. 585 00:17:05,424 --> 00:17:10,273 but once you go past it being 586 00:17:10,273 --> 00:17:12,292 sound and related to what you 587 00:17:12,292 --> 00:17:14,229 hear and you go down to the 588 00:17:14,229 --> 00:17:16,007 infrasound that would change it 589 00:17:16,007 --> 00:17:16,007 and 590 00:17:16,007 --> 00:17:17,972 and change the laws sooner 591 00:17:17,972 --> 00:17:19,802 specifically tripping over those 592 00:17:19,802 --> 00:17:19,802 593 00:17:19,802 --> 00:17:21,602 ontario laws. 594 00:17:21,602 --> 00:17:24,340 and I have several peer-reviewed 595 00:17:24,340 --> 00:17:24,340 596 00:17:24,340 --> 00:17:26,217 studies that show it causes 597 00:17:26,217 --> 00:17:28,549 issues to both humans, not being 598 00:17:28,549 --> 00:17:28,549 599 00:17:28,549 --> 00:17:30,975 able to sleep, cardiovascular 600 00:17:30,975 --> 00:17:33,699 related stuff, animals with 601 00:17:33,699 --> 00:17:35,057 stillbirths and stress and 602 00:17:35,057 --> 00:17:37,499 plants have issues with seating 603 00:17:37,499 --> 00:17:37,499 604 00:17:37,499 --> 00:17:39,349 because of the 10-hertz 605 00:17:39,349 --> 00:17:41,581 frequency mimics bees and has 606 00:17:41,581 --> 00:17:42,580 some issues related to 607 00:17:42,580 --> 00:17:42,580 pollination. 608 00:17:42,580 --> 00:17:46,623 yes, it does affect both humans, 609 00:17:46,623 --> 00:17:46,623 610 00:17:46,623 --> 00:17:48,253 animals and plants. 611 00:17:48,253 --> 00:17:50,115 tying that together to show that 612 00:17:50,115 --> 00:17:50,115 613 00:17:50,115 --> 00:17:53,130 we have both residential and 614 00:17:53,130 --> 00:17:55,004 agriculture having setbacks 615 00:17:55,004 --> 00:17:56,553 related to this, that would 616 00:17:56,553 --> 00:17:57,988 provide us our best chance to 617 00:17:57,988 --> 00:18:00,228 keep it away from anything that 618 00:18:00,228 --> 00:18:00,228 would 619 00:18:00,228 --> 00:18:02,452 would cause an issue. 620 00:18:02,452 --> 00:18:04,899 additionally the size of the sound 621 00:18:04,899 --> 00:18:06,919 sound is going to require like three 622 00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:09,152 three kilometres of setback in 623 00:18:09,152 --> 00:18:09,198 every direction 624 00:18:09,198 --> 00:18:10,431 every direction to get rid of 625 00:18:10,431 --> 00:18:14,049 the sound 100%, and to actually 626 00:18:14,049 --> 00:18:14,049 627 00:18:14,049 --> 00:18:15,304 block all of this stuff. 628 00:18:15,304 --> 00:18:17,510 you are looking at 6000 plus 629 00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:19,024 acres of farmland that would have 630 00:18:19,024 --> 00:18:21,196 have to be converted over to do 631 00:18:21,196 --> 00:18:21,196 632 00:18:21,196 --> 00:18:21,196 that. 633 00:18:21,196 --> 00:18:24,075 it is highly concerning to me 634 00:18:24,075 --> 00:18:26,391 specifically for that reason, more 635 00:18:26,391 --> 00:18:28,307 more specifically in that 636 00:18:28,307 --> 00:18:29,782 infrared where we just cannot 637 00:18:29,782 --> 00:18:30,733 hear it. 638 00:18:30,733 --> 00:18:31,911 it's one of those things that you 639 00:18:31,911 --> 00:18:32,692 you can feel. 640 00:18:32,692 --> 00:18:33,769 like when you are in your car 641 00:18:33,769 --> 00:18:37,948 and put the windows down, that's 642 00:18:37,948 --> 00:18:37,948 643 00:18:37,948 --> 00:18:37,948 15-hertz. 644 00:18:37,948 --> 00:18:40,273 you're not really hearing that 645 00:18:40,273 --> 00:18:40,273 646 00:18:40,273 --> 00:18:42,063 you're feeling that. 647 00:18:42,063 --> 00:18:43,664 that's the type of thing that 648 00:18:43,664 --> 00:18:45,556 would come off of these things, 649 00:18:45,556 --> 00:18:45,556 are 650 00:18:45,556 --> 00:18:47,779 are extremely hard to mitigate, 651 00:18:47,779 --> 00:18:47,779 652 00:18:47,779 --> 00:18:49,235 some of these sound waves are 653 00:18:49,235 --> 00:18:50,952 metres and metres long so you 654 00:18:50,952 --> 00:18:53,343 can't even put a 30-foot wall, 655 00:18:53,343 --> 00:18:53,343 it 656 00:18:53,343 --> 00:18:54,694 it will go up and over. 657 00:18:54,694 --> 00:18:57,942 stuff like that is what deeply 658 00:18:57,942 --> 00:18:57,942 659 00:18:57,942 --> 00:18:59,008 concerns me. >> 660 00:18:59,008 --> 00:19:01,728 >> very good, thank you. 661 00:19:01,728 --> 00:19:05,336 >> councillor prue? 662 00:19:05,336 --> 00:19:09,163 >> couple questions attributed 663 00:19:09,163 --> 00:19:09,163 664 00:19:09,163 --> 00:19:14,358 approximately $200,000 to our 665 00:19:14,358 --> 00:19:16,800 deputy cao, miss osborne. 666 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,112 did you ask where she got this? 667 00:19:20,112 --> 00:19:20,112 668 00:19:20,112 --> 00:19:22,757 >> through you warden, she said 669 00:19:22,757 --> 00:19:22,757 670 00:19:22,757 --> 00:19:24,363 it in county council about a 671 00:19:24,363 --> 00:19:26,984 month ago, when I was there when 672 00:19:26,984 --> 00:19:26,984 673 00:19:26,984 --> 00:19:29,034 you guys voted to put this 674 00:19:29,034 --> 00:19:30,289 motion in. 675 00:19:30,289 --> 00:19:32,692 I did not get any more 676 00:19:32,692 --> 00:19:34,520 specifics, that is the number. 677 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:34,567 >> 678 00:19:34,567 --> 00:19:37,146 >> that was in the county 679 00:19:37,146 --> 00:19:37,426 council. >> 680 00:19:37,426 --> 00:19:40,016 >> in amherstburg council kak. 681 00:19:40,016 --> 00:19:42,264 I may have misspoken. >> 682 00:19:42,264 --> 00:19:42,264 >> okay. 683 00:19:42,264 --> 00:19:47,587 second question, you also named 684 00:19:47,587 --> 00:19:47,587 685 00:19:47,587 --> 00:19:50,491 about a month ago, you found there 686 00:19:50,491 --> 00:19:52,102 there was a facility coming to 687 00:19:52,102 --> 00:19:52,102 688 00:19:52,102 --> 00:19:54,072 southwestern ontario. 689 00:19:54,072 --> 00:19:56,189 we found out later on it was 690 00:19:56,189 --> 00:19:58,742 coming to niagara falls. 691 00:19:58,742 --> 00:20:00,409 where in southwestern ontario did you 692 00:20:00,409 --> 00:20:01,553 did you find that this was 693 00:20:01,553 --> 00:20:03,012 coming to? 694 00:20:03,012 --> 00:20:05,481 >> oliver says on the website it 695 00:20:05,481 --> 00:20:05,481 696 00:20:05,481 --> 00:20:06,483 says it's the southwest 697 00:20:06,483 --> 00:20:08,700 transmission region, whatever 698 00:20:08,700 --> 00:20:10,946 that means for them which I 699 00:20:10,946 --> 00:20:12,789 believe can include sarnia and 700 00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:12,789 701 00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:14,522 all those types of things. 702 00:20:14,522 --> 00:20:17,110 I don't think niagara falls, it 703 00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:17,110 would 704 00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:18,151 would be something else. 705 00:20:18,151 --> 00:20:19,228 they have different ones on 706 00:20:19,228 --> 00:20:20,667 their website. 707 00:20:20,667 --> 00:20:22,830 that one specifically on a third 708 00:20:22,830 --> 00:20:22,830 709 00:20:22,830 --> 00:20:25,440 party website says essex county 710 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:25,440 711 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,284 specifically, but that is 712 00:20:28,284 --> 00:20:30,013 unsubstantiated third party 713 00:20:30,013 --> 00:20:31,420 evidence, probably should not take 714 00:20:31,420 --> 00:20:34,305 take that as reality yet. >> 715 00:20:34,305 --> 00:20:37,278 >> I don't think anybody at this 716 00:20:37,278 --> 00:20:37,278 717 00:20:37,278 --> 00:20:38,703 table wants anything coming to 718 00:20:38,703 --> 00:20:38,703 719 00:20:38,703 --> 00:20:40,733 essex county. >> 720 00:20:40,733 --> 00:20:40,733 >> exactly. 721 00:20:40,733 --> 00:20:44,342 the southwest transmission 722 00:20:44,342 --> 00:20:47,552 region. >> 723 00:20:47,552 --> 00:20:50,823 >> only one city has -- my third 724 00:20:50,823 --> 00:20:50,823 725 00:20:50,823 --> 00:20:53,080 question, only one city has 726 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,563 taken this on so far and that is 727 00:20:55,563 --> 00:20:55,563 728 00:20:55,563 --> 00:20:55,563 hamilton. 729 00:20:55,563 --> 00:20:59,295 and I understand the opponent there 730 00:20:59,295 --> 00:21:00,513 there was going to take hamilton 731 00:21:00,513 --> 00:21:00,513 732 00:21:00,513 --> 00:21:01,746 to court. 733 00:21:01,746 --> 00:21:03,238 do you have any knowledge what 734 00:21:03,238 --> 00:21:03,238 735 00:21:03,238 --> 00:21:04,672 is happening with that? 736 00:21:04,672 --> 00:21:06,673 >> yes, I do, through you 737 00:21:06,673 --> 00:21:09,511 warden, hamilton itself voted down 738 00:21:09,511 --> 00:21:13,968 down the icb notice at at 10-6 739 00:21:13,968 --> 00:21:13,968 740 00:21:13,968 --> 00:21:13,968 ratio. 741 00:21:13,968 --> 00:21:16,509 the reason being they did not 742 00:21:16,509 --> 00:21:17,947 want to spend the money and make sure 743 00:21:17,947 --> 00:21:19,708 sure that our economic 744 00:21:19,708 --> 00:21:21,563 investment was in the area. 745 00:21:21,563 --> 00:21:23,607 mississauga was the first on ontario 746 00:21:23,607 --> 00:21:25,901 ontario to put in an icb. 747 00:21:25,901 --> 00:21:27,338 there are places that are going 748 00:21:27,338 --> 00:21:27,338 749 00:21:27,338 --> 00:21:30,854 to try this. >> 750 00:21:30,854 --> 00:21:32,702 >> that was a week ago mississauga 751 00:21:32,702 --> 00:21:34,522 mississauga put that in. >> 752 00:21:34,522 --> 00:21:35,936 >> I just saw that. 753 00:21:35,936 --> 00:21:39,231 my question is, the proponent said 754 00:21:39,231 --> 00:21:42,010 said that he was seriously 755 00:21:42,010 --> 00:21:44,217 considering appealing this. 756 00:21:44,217 --> 00:21:45,720 do you know whether the appeal 757 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:45,720 758 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,668 was launched by the proponent? 759 00:21:47,668 --> 00:21:47,668 760 00:21:47,668 --> 00:21:49,235 >> I do not. >> those 761 00:21:49,235 --> 00:21:50,911 >> those are my questions 762 00:21:50,911 --> 00:21:51,397 thank you. >> 763 00:21:51,397 --> 00:21:52,744 >> thank you councillor, 764 00:21:52,744 --> 00:21:54,292 councillor rogers? >> 765 00:21:54,292 --> 00:21:56,056 >> thank you madam warden, 766 00:21:56,056 --> 00:21:57,102 through you. 767 00:21:57,102 --> 00:21:58,529 did a lot of work on this I 768 00:21:58,529 --> 00:21:59,912 appreciate it. 769 00:21:59,912 --> 00:22:01,137 you seem very passionate and 770 00:22:01,137 --> 00:22:02,923 have a lot of data, a lot of 771 00:22:02,923 --> 00:22:05,036 work, I appreciate that. 772 00:22:05,036 --> 00:22:06,547 question I know you talked about 773 00:22:06,547 --> 00:22:06,547 774 00:22:06,547 --> 00:22:08,327 the interim control bylaws, I wonder 775 00:22:08,327 --> 00:22:09,770 wonder if there's anywhere you 776 00:22:09,770 --> 00:22:09,770 777 00:22:09,770 --> 00:22:11,393 have seen that have taken on these 778 00:22:11,393 --> 00:22:12,689 these studies to kind of dig 779 00:22:12,689 --> 00:22:15,117 into it, as well as the 780 00:22:15,117 --> 00:22:16,554 regulatory framework you are 781 00:22:16,554 --> 00:22:18,259 requesting today? 782 00:22:18,259 --> 00:22:20,166 >> so I have actually been 783 00:22:20,166 --> 00:22:23,345 creating a document, let the cat 784 00:22:23,345 --> 00:22:23,391 out of 785 00:22:23,391 --> 00:22:24,392 out of the bag, with the 786 00:22:24,392 --> 00:22:26,222 majority of that information for 787 00:22:26,222 --> 00:22:26,222 788 00:22:26,222 --> 00:22:26,222 you. 789 00:22:26,222 --> 00:22:28,924 I did not submit it here because 790 00:22:28,924 --> 00:22:28,924 I 791 00:22:28,924 --> 00:22:31,389 I have more work to do on it, but 792 00:22:31,389 --> 00:22:32,797 but there are some places that 793 00:22:32,797 --> 00:22:32,843 I 794 00:22:32,843 --> 00:22:35,289 have tried some things yes, 795 00:22:35,289 --> 00:22:35,289 have tried some things yes, 796 00:22:35,289 --> 00:22:35,289 have tried some things yes, 797 00:22:35,289 --> 00:22:35,289 798 00:22:35,289 --> 00:22:37,428 specifically icb was done this 799 00:22:37,428 --> 00:22:37,428 800 00:22:37,428 --> 00:22:38,053 week, it was 801 00:22:38,053 --> 00:22:38,053 week, it was 802 00:22:38,053 --> 00:22:38,053 week, it was 803 00:22:38,053 --> 00:22:38,053 804 00:22:38,053 --> 00:22:38,053 805 00:22:38,053 --> 00:22:38,053 806 00:22:38,053 --> 00:22:39,430 voted for in 807 00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:39,430 mississauga. 808 00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:42,153 they would be the ones to ask for 809 00:22:42,153 --> 00:22:44,145 for exactly what they are doing 810 00:22:44,145 --> 00:22:44,145 down 811 00:22:44,145 --> 00:22:46,079 down that path, ultimately what 812 00:22:46,079 --> 00:22:46,079 813 00:22:46,079 --> 00:22:47,461 the idea is you would study it 814 00:22:47,461 --> 00:22:47,461 815 00:22:47,461 --> 00:22:49,311 to inform whatever your bylaws 816 00:22:49,311 --> 00:22:49,311 817 00:22:49,311 --> 00:22:50,746 are going to be. 818 00:22:50,746 --> 00:22:52,566 the way I would like to see it 819 00:22:52,566 --> 00:22:52,566 820 00:22:52,566 --> 00:22:55,050 studied is under the guise of 821 00:22:55,050 --> 00:22:59,396 infrasound tying in the health 822 00:22:59,396 --> 00:22:59,396 823 00:22:59,396 --> 00:23:01,930 problems with humans and animals 824 00:23:01,930 --> 00:23:01,930 825 00:23:01,930 --> 00:23:04,105 and plants, that we it ties in 826 00:23:04,105 --> 00:23:04,105 827 00:23:04,105 --> 00:23:06,437 residential and agriculture, to 828 00:23:06,437 --> 00:23:06,437 829 00:23:06,437 --> 00:23:08,357 put those setbacks in because that's 830 00:23:08,357 --> 00:23:10,602 that's the main concern I have. 831 00:23:10,602 --> 00:23:10,602 832 00:23:10,602 --> 00:23:14,288 there are other concerns like 833 00:23:14,288 --> 00:23:16,395 fire and flood, not having 834 00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:16,395 electricity. 835 00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:19,873 water is an interesting one, 836 00:23:19,873 --> 00:23:21,757 water quality, having enough of 837 00:23:21,757 --> 00:23:21,757 838 00:23:21,757 --> 00:23:21,757 it. 839 00:23:21,757 --> 00:23:23,648 there's lots of reasons that are 840 00:23:23,648 --> 00:23:23,648 841 00:23:23,648 --> 00:23:24,868 concerning and we should look at 842 00:23:24,868 --> 00:23:24,868 843 00:23:24,868 --> 00:23:26,616 each one of these specifically. 844 00:23:26,616 --> 00:23:26,616 845 00:23:26,616 --> 00:23:28,970 what I would like to see is a lot 846 00:23:28,970 --> 00:23:30,422 lot make it as hard as possible 847 00:23:30,422 --> 00:23:30,422 848 00:23:30,422 --> 00:23:32,006 for these things to exist. 849 00:23:32,006 --> 00:23:33,965 I don't want them in my 850 00:23:33,965 --> 00:23:33,965 backyard. 851 00:23:33,965 --> 00:23:37,617 I'm like 68% of all canadians, 852 00:23:37,617 --> 00:23:37,617 853 00:23:37,617 --> 00:23:39,143 and americans, I don't want them 854 00:23:39,143 --> 00:23:39,143 855 00:23:39,143 --> 00:23:40,554 in my backyard. 856 00:23:40,554 --> 00:23:41,838 that should be the number 1 857 00:23:41,838 --> 00:23:43,272 statistic you guys take away 858 00:23:43,272 --> 00:23:44,022 from this. 859 00:23:44,022 --> 00:23:46,427 nobody wants them here. 860 00:23:46,427 --> 00:23:46,881 >> further? 861 00:23:46,881 --> 00:23:50,892 >> I definitely understand the 862 00:23:50,892 --> 00:23:50,892 863 00:23:50,892 --> 00:23:50,892 concerns. 864 00:23:50,892 --> 00:23:53,797 the question is, so there are 865 00:23:53,797 --> 00:23:55,921 other places, canada, the 866 00:23:55,921 --> 00:23:57,624 states, where they are doing 867 00:23:57,624 --> 00:23:58,891 these studies and they are starting 868 00:23:58,891 --> 00:23:59,943 starting to change some 869 00:23:59,943 --> 00:23:59,943 regulations. 870 00:23:59,943 --> 00:24:02,798 I think for us, we got our 871 00:24:02,798 --> 00:24:04,811 notice of motion coming, which 872 00:24:04,811 --> 00:24:04,857 we will 873 00:24:04,857 --> 00:24:06,262 we will vote on the potential to 874 00:24:06,262 --> 00:24:06,262 take 875 00:24:06,262 --> 00:24:07,918 take those next steps so I think 876 00:24:07,918 --> 00:24:07,918 877 00:24:07,918 --> 00:24:09,157 it is important to know where 878 00:24:09,157 --> 00:24:11,758 else this is happening as a 879 00:24:11,758 --> 00:24:13,230 viewpoint, just for obvious 880 00:24:13,230 --> 00:24:14,295 conversation. >> 881 00:24:14,295 --> 00:24:16,145 >> through you warden there's 12 other states 882 00:24:16,145 --> 00:24:17,142 other states that are in the 883 00:24:17,142 --> 00:24:19,175 process of putting a ban in or 884 00:24:19,175 --> 00:24:19,175 885 00:24:19,175 --> 00:24:21,831 some kind of acting state level. 886 00:24:21,831 --> 00:24:21,831 some kind of acting state level. 887 00:24:21,831 --> 00:24:23,853 there have been a few, in 888 00:24:23,853 --> 00:24:26,190 alberta I believe there's also 889 00:24:26,190 --> 00:24:26,190 890 00:24:26,190 --> 00:24:29,303 attempted a interim control 891 00:24:29,303 --> 00:24:31,504 bylaw, mississauga presently 892 00:24:31,504 --> 00:24:31,504 here. 893 00:24:31,504 --> 00:24:35,574 and there are ai data centres already 894 00:24:35,574 --> 00:24:38,102 already existing in ontario and 895 00:24:38,102 --> 00:24:38,102 896 00:24:38,102 --> 00:24:40,603 elsewhere in canada. 897 00:24:40,603 --> 00:24:42,980 specifically, quebec themselves 898 00:24:42,980 --> 00:24:42,980 899 00:24:42,980 --> 00:24:44,966 has stopped taking any more data 900 00:24:44,966 --> 00:24:44,966 901 00:24:44,966 --> 00:24:48,060 centres because of the load on 902 00:24:48,060 --> 00:24:48,060 their 903 00:24:48,060 --> 00:24:49,504 their electricity. 904 00:24:49,504 --> 00:24:53,944 and I believe bc has cut down to 905 00:24:53,944 --> 00:24:53,990 400 megawatts 906 00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:55,942 400 megawatts attributed to data 907 00:24:55,942 --> 00:24:55,942 908 00:24:55,942 --> 00:24:58,226 centres in that province. >> 909 00:24:58,226 --> 00:24:59,633 >> thank you very much. 910 00:24:59,633 --> 00:25:02,868 >> thank you, councillor 911 00:25:02,868 --> 00:25:03,940 deyong? >> 912 00:25:03,940 --> 00:25:06,098 >> thank you warden, thank you 913 00:25:06,098 --> 00:25:06,098 914 00:25:06,098 --> 00:25:06,098 tyler. 915 00:25:06,098 --> 00:25:07,953 appreciate the work you have 916 00:25:07,953 --> 00:25:09,380 done here today. 917 00:25:09,380 --> 00:25:11,236 since I put up the motion we 918 00:25:11,236 --> 00:25:13,693 will vote on later today, I have 919 00:25:13,693 --> 00:25:13,693 920 00:25:13,693 --> 00:25:15,900 been getting some messages from 921 00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:15,900 922 00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:15,900 residents. 923 00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:17,718 some of them are informed like 924 00:25:17,718 --> 00:25:17,718 925 00:25:17,718 --> 00:25:19,445 you are and doing a lot of 926 00:25:19,445 --> 00:25:20,837 research, I have been forwarding 927 00:25:20,837 --> 00:25:20,837 928 00:25:20,837 --> 00:25:23,573 them to administration in hopes 929 00:25:23,573 --> 00:25:23,573 930 00:25:23,573 --> 00:25:24,854 this motion passes and this work 931 00:25:24,854 --> 00:25:24,854 932 00:25:24,854 --> 00:25:25,494 will begin. 933 00:25:25,494 --> 00:25:27,750 I want to encourage you to make 934 00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:27,750 935 00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:29,621 sure the work you are doing is 936 00:25:29,621 --> 00:25:29,621 937 00:25:29,621 --> 00:25:31,988 submitted, administration here 938 00:25:31,988 --> 00:25:31,988 is 939 00:25:31,988 --> 00:25:34,209 is keen and willing to do this 940 00:25:34,209 --> 00:25:34,209 941 00:25:34,209 --> 00:25:34,209 work. 942 00:25:34,209 --> 00:25:36,681 you have done a lot of work already. 943 00:25:36,681 --> 00:25:36,681 you have done a lot of work already. 944 00:25:36,681 --> 00:25:39,325 I hope you continue to put that 945 00:25:39,325 --> 00:25:39,325 forward 946 00:25:39,325 --> 00:25:40,512 forward and I just want to 947 00:25:40,512 --> 00:25:42,792 thank you for digging deep into 948 00:25:42,792 --> 00:25:42,792 949 00:25:42,792 --> 00:25:44,295 this and bringing up a lot of stuff 950 00:25:44,295 --> 00:25:45,571 stuff that most people have not 951 00:25:45,571 --> 00:25:45,571 952 00:25:45,571 --> 00:25:46,762 heard of and don't know, so 953 00:25:46,762 --> 00:25:48,601 thank you for that. >> 954 00:25:48,601 --> 00:25:50,773 >> anyone else? 955 00:25:50,773 --> 00:25:52,959 councillor shepley? >> 956 00:25:52,959 --> 00:25:56,427 >> thank you warden. 957 00:25:56,427 --> 00:25:58,238 thank you for all the work you 958 00:25:58,238 --> 00:25:58,238 959 00:25:58,238 --> 00:25:59,976 have done. 960 00:25:59,976 --> 00:26:03,474 I noticed -- >> 961 00:26:03,474 --> 00:26:05,918 >> can you pull your mic over? 962 00:26:05,918 --> 00:26:05,918 963 00:26:05,918 --> 00:26:07,906 >> one of the things I wanted to 964 00:26:07,906 --> 00:26:07,906 965 00:26:07,906 --> 00:26:11,459 comment on, when you talked 966 00:26:11,459 --> 00:26:15,555 about the tfa, we currently have 967 00:26:15,555 --> 00:26:15,555 968 00:26:15,555 --> 00:26:17,026 a reverse osmosis machine 969 00:26:17,026 --> 00:26:18,520 calculating technology. 970 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,403 there is some hope for it so you 971 00:26:20,403 --> 00:26:20,403 972 00:26:20,403 --> 00:26:21,745 are aware, and I just want to share 973 00:26:21,745 --> 00:26:23,306 share that with you. >> 974 00:26:23,306 --> 00:26:25,915 >> yeah, that takes about 85% of 975 00:26:25,915 --> 00:26:25,915 976 00:26:25,915 --> 00:26:27,480 the data that is one of the few things that 977 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,812 things that I did not expect 978 00:26:28,812 --> 00:26:31,080 actually that anybody would have 979 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:31,080 980 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:31,080 that. 981 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,174 is that in everybody's townships 982 00:26:33,174 --> 00:26:33,174 983 00:26:33,174 --> 00:26:34,962 that they have that? 984 00:26:34,962 --> 00:26:36,773 that would be something to check 985 00:26:36,773 --> 00:26:36,773 986 00:26:36,773 --> 00:26:36,773 on. 987 00:26:36,773 --> 00:26:41,355 >> it's currently just the solid 988 00:26:41,355 --> 00:26:41,355 989 00:26:41,355 --> 00:26:44,197 waste authority. 990 00:26:44,197 --> 00:26:47,247 >> perfect, thank you. 991 00:26:47,247 --> 00:26:50,547 >> councillor walstedt? >> 992 00:26:50,547 --> 00:26:53,031 >> thank you madam warden, 993 00:26:53,031 --> 00:26:54,490 thank you tyler for your 994 00:26:54,490 --> 00:26:54,490 report. 995 00:26:54,490 --> 00:26:56,970 a lot of good information, I 996 00:26:56,970 --> 00:26:58,388 know you worked hard to get it 997 00:26:58,388 --> 00:26:58,388 998 00:26:58,388 --> 00:27:00,971 all together. 999 00:27:00,971 --> 00:27:04,254 I only see these as an outright 1000 00:27:04,254 --> 00:27:04,254 1001 00:27:04,254 --> 00:27:06,661 ban on these in the strongest 1002 00:27:06,661 --> 00:27:08,712 terms, strongest legal way 1003 00:27:08,712 --> 00:27:08,712 possible. 1004 00:27:08,712 --> 00:27:12,750 so it could be appealed, 1005 00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:15,381 everything can always be 1006 00:27:15,381 --> 00:27:16,896 appealed, in any way when it 1007 00:27:16,896 --> 00:27:17,852 comes to the law. 1008 00:27:17,852 --> 00:27:20,268 but just based on infrastructure 1009 00:27:20,268 --> 00:27:20,268 1010 00:27:20,268 --> 00:27:23,262 alone that it requires and water 1011 00:27:23,262 --> 00:27:23,262 and 1012 00:27:23,262 --> 00:27:24,596 and union water system for 1013 00:27:24,596 --> 00:27:26,487 example, already underway with 1014 00:27:26,487 --> 00:27:26,487 1015 00:27:26,487 --> 00:27:27,943 expansions and everything else 1016 00:27:27,943 --> 00:27:27,943 1017 00:27:27,943 --> 00:27:30,058 and other developments. 1018 00:27:30,058 --> 00:27:31,974 it takes millions of gallons of water 1019 00:27:31,974 --> 00:27:32,972 water for these things. 1020 00:27:32,972 --> 00:27:36,302 we talk every day a lot about 1021 00:27:36,302 --> 00:27:38,412 farmland being taken, losing 315 acres 1022 00:27:38,412 --> 00:27:39,413 315 acres a day now in the 1023 00:27:39,413 --> 00:27:41,989 province of ontario, and this 1024 00:27:41,989 --> 00:27:44,449 takes up millions of square 1025 00:27:44,449 --> 00:27:44,449 feet. 1026 00:27:44,449 --> 00:27:48,162 and also like for -- as I said 1027 00:27:48,162 --> 00:27:48,162 1028 00:27:48,162 --> 00:27:49,526 based on the infrastructure drain 1029 00:27:49,526 --> 00:27:51,364 drain as well as health issues 1030 00:27:51,364 --> 00:27:51,364 and 1031 00:27:51,364 --> 00:27:53,414 and everything else, the quality 1032 00:27:53,414 --> 00:27:53,414 of 1033 00:27:53,414 --> 00:27:55,667 of life issues people have that 1034 00:27:55,667 --> 00:27:55,667 would 1035 00:27:55,667 --> 00:27:58,213 would be living near these, I just 1036 00:27:58,213 --> 00:27:59,526 just think we need to, whether 1037 00:27:59,526 --> 00:27:59,572 we work 1038 00:27:59,572 --> 00:28:01,802 we work as a group, as a county 1039 00:28:01,802 --> 00:28:01,802 1040 00:28:01,802 --> 00:28:05,417 to put everything in place to 1041 00:28:05,417 --> 00:28:06,869 let the industry know where we 1042 00:28:06,869 --> 00:28:06,869 1043 00:28:06,869 --> 00:28:10,550 stand on it as well as in our 1044 00:28:10,550 --> 00:28:11,698 individual municipalities and 1045 00:28:11,698 --> 00:28:14,365 the bylaws we have to put in 1046 00:28:14,365 --> 00:28:15,793 place to do this. 1047 00:28:15,793 --> 00:28:18,026 I appreciate what you said about 1048 00:28:18,026 --> 00:28:18,026 1049 00:28:18,026 --> 00:28:19,891 what is lacking in each 1050 00:28:19,891 --> 00:28:21,438 municipality, I'm pretty sure lakeshore 1051 00:28:21,438 --> 00:28:22,577 lakeshore will be taking a hard 1052 00:28:22,577 --> 00:28:22,577 1053 00:28:22,577 --> 00:28:24,408 look at this to do whatever we 1054 00:28:24,408 --> 00:28:24,408 1055 00:28:24,408 --> 00:28:26,676 can to prevent these 1056 00:28:26,676 --> 00:28:30,400 monstrosities from showing up in 1057 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:30,400 lakeshore 1058 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,854 lakeshore and the county as a 1059 00:28:31,854 --> 00:28:32,354 whole hopefully. 1060 00:28:32,354 --> 00:28:33,768 thanks. >> 1061 00:28:33,768 --> 00:28:34,939 >> councillor bailey? >> 1062 00:28:34,939 --> 00:28:36,529 >> thank you warden and through 1063 00:28:36,529 --> 00:28:36,529 1064 00:28:36,529 --> 00:28:38,280 you, thank you tyler for being 1065 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:38,280 1066 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,334 here this evening and the work 1067 00:28:39,334 --> 00:28:39,334 1068 00:28:39,334 --> 00:28:41,305 you put into this, for sharing 1069 00:28:41,305 --> 00:28:41,305 1070 00:28:41,305 --> 00:28:42,197 your expertise. 1071 00:28:42,197 --> 00:28:43,736 I think it's important to. 1072 00:28:43,736 --> 00:28:45,500 even more importantly started a 1073 00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:45,500 1074 00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:46,801 conversation in our communities 1075 00:28:46,801 --> 00:28:46,801 that 1076 00:28:46,801 --> 00:28:48,727 that is very valuable and something 1077 00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:49,695 something we have to look at. 1078 00:28:49,695 --> 00:28:51,754 I support the collaborative 1079 00:28:51,754 --> 00:28:53,384 approach for sure. 1080 00:28:53,384 --> 00:28:55,344 I also appreciate you started the 1081 00:28:55,344 --> 00:28:56,563 the conversations because 1082 00:28:56,563 --> 00:28:57,974 sometimes when council began 1083 00:28:57,974 --> 00:29:00,848 thinking about zoning changes, 1084 00:29:00,848 --> 00:29:00,848 and 1085 00:29:00,848 --> 00:29:03,112 and putting things in, residents 1086 00:29:03,112 --> 00:29:03,112 1087 00:29:03,112 --> 00:29:04,137 begin to understand or think 1088 00:29:04,137 --> 00:29:05,924 that we are changing it to allow 1089 00:29:05,924 --> 00:29:05,924 1090 00:29:05,924 --> 00:29:07,925 a data center. 1091 00:29:07,925 --> 00:29:10,599 certainly of the emails, hundreds of 1092 00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:12,493 hundreds of emails we received, 1093 00:29:12,493 --> 00:29:12,493 1094 00:29:12,493 --> 00:29:14,871 some were understanding that the 1095 00:29:14,871 --> 00:29:14,871 1096 00:29:14,871 --> 00:29:15,916 processes we have to put 1097 00:29:15,916 --> 00:29:17,667 something in place. 1098 00:29:17,667 --> 00:29:19,526 and the absence of having 1099 00:29:19,526 --> 00:29:20,969 something in place could permit 1100 00:29:20,969 --> 00:29:20,969 something 1101 00:29:20,969 --> 00:29:21,954 something to occur. 1102 00:29:21,954 --> 00:29:24,222 I think residents gained a lot 1103 00:29:24,222 --> 00:29:24,222 of 1104 00:29:24,222 --> 00:29:25,653 of understanding through the 1105 00:29:25,653 --> 00:29:25,653 collaboration. 1106 00:29:25,653 --> 00:29:29,684 when you reviewed the proposed 1107 00:29:29,684 --> 00:29:29,684 1108 00:29:29,684 --> 00:29:30,795 motion, did you feel that it 1109 00:29:30,795 --> 00:29:32,139 allows the planning tools that 1110 00:29:32,139 --> 00:29:32,139 we 1111 00:29:32,139 --> 00:29:34,408 we would need to protect ourselves? 1112 00:29:34,408 --> 00:29:34,408 we would need to protect ourselves? 1113 00:29:34,408 --> 00:29:36,041 the only thing that I felt in 1114 00:29:36,041 --> 00:29:37,481 the proposed, I have come up 1115 00:29:37,481 --> 00:29:39,788 with a few amendments because I 1116 00:29:39,788 --> 00:29:39,788 felt 1117 00:29:39,788 --> 00:29:42,161 felt like it was -- if we put 1118 00:29:42,161 --> 00:29:43,570 public resources towards 1119 00:29:43,570 --> 00:29:44,443 starting something that we 1120 00:29:44,443 --> 00:29:45,865 should study it from the 1121 00:29:45,865 --> 00:29:47,271 perspective of having a planning 1122 00:29:47,271 --> 00:29:47,271 1123 00:29:47,271 --> 00:29:49,299 tools of which to oppose them. 1124 00:29:49,299 --> 00:29:49,299 1125 00:29:49,299 --> 00:29:51,143 I felt like the proposed motion 1126 00:29:51,143 --> 00:29:51,143 1127 00:29:51,143 --> 00:29:53,032 was a little bit lacking, I wonder 1128 00:29:53,032 --> 00:29:54,864 wonder how you felt about it? 1129 00:29:54,864 --> 00:29:59,476 >> through you warden, when I first 1130 00:29:59,476 --> 00:30:02,735 first did read it, I think I had 1131 00:30:02,735 --> 00:30:02,735 four 1132 00:30:02,735 --> 00:30:04,534 four specific points -- trying 1133 00:30:04,534 --> 00:30:04,534 to 1134 00:30:04,534 --> 00:30:07,094 to remember them all -- one was 1135 00:30:07,094 --> 00:30:07,094 1136 00:30:07,094 --> 00:30:09,640 actually going back to one of the 1137 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,653 the councillors saying that it 1138 00:30:10,653 --> 00:30:10,653 1139 00:30:10,653 --> 00:30:12,560 requires a lot of water. 1140 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,966 it's not necessarily true. 1141 00:30:13,966 --> 00:30:15,405 water is the cheapest one which 1142 00:30:15,405 --> 00:30:15,405 is 1143 00:30:15,405 --> 00:30:17,259 is why they do it. 1144 00:30:17,259 --> 00:30:18,850 we don't have to use water. 1145 00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:21,185 you can use natural refrigerants 1146 00:30:21,185 --> 00:30:21,185 1147 00:30:21,185 --> 00:30:22,824 or synthetic refrigerants 1148 00:30:22,824 --> 00:30:24,481 instead, or air cooling. 1149 00:30:24,481 --> 00:30:25,717 does not have to contain liquid 1150 00:30:25,717 --> 00:30:25,717 1151 00:30:25,717 --> 00:30:28,495 at all technically. 1152 00:30:28,495 --> 00:30:31,526 there is a large way in which 1153 00:30:31,526 --> 00:30:32,993 all of these things can happen. 1154 00:30:32,993 --> 00:30:36,305 to your point on creating the 1155 00:30:36,305 --> 00:30:37,761 laws, we are going to have to do 1156 00:30:37,761 --> 00:30:37,761 it 1157 00:30:37,761 --> 00:30:39,866 it similar to what you guys did 1158 00:30:39,866 --> 00:30:39,866 1159 00:30:39,866 --> 00:30:43,433 in 2024 with greenhouses. 1160 00:30:43,433 --> 00:30:45,314 either you want to stop the 1161 00:30:45,314 --> 00:30:46,376 expansion of greenhouses, you 1162 00:30:46,376 --> 00:30:48,794 have to put large setbacks, do 1163 00:30:48,794 --> 00:30:48,794 1164 00:30:48,794 --> 00:30:49,635 something similar. 1165 00:30:49,635 --> 00:30:51,277 that is the one way we can do 1166 00:30:51,277 --> 00:30:51,277 this. 1167 00:30:51,277 --> 00:30:53,589 we can go through all this work 1168 00:30:53,589 --> 00:30:53,589 1169 00:30:53,589 --> 00:30:55,357 and do it all, in the province 1170 00:30:55,357 --> 00:30:55,357 can 1171 00:30:55,357 --> 00:30:57,806 can come in with an mgo or just 1172 00:30:57,806 --> 00:30:57,806 1173 00:30:57,806 --> 00:30:59,714 say I am taking this land, this 1174 00:30:59,714 --> 00:30:59,714 1175 00:30:59,714 --> 00:31:01,710 is where it will go. Nothing 1176 00:31:01,710 --> 00:31:04,320 nothing you can do about it. 1177 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,369 remember that when you are 1178 00:31:05,369 --> 00:31:07,631 making all these decisions as well 1179 00:31:07,631 --> 00:31:08,930 well unfortunately, the province 1180 00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:08,930 is 1181 00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:10,367 is really the one that has the 1182 00:31:10,367 --> 00:31:10,413 most control 1183 00:31:10,413 --> 00:31:12,199 most control in this scenario. 1184 00:31:12,199 --> 00:31:12,199 1185 00:31:12,199 --> 00:31:13,587 also we don't really have 1186 00:31:13,587 --> 00:31:15,447 control over electricity and 1187 00:31:15,447 --> 00:31:17,674 really much say on that at all. 1188 00:31:17,674 --> 00:31:17,674 1189 00:31:17,674 --> 00:31:21,223 but we do have I believe bill 1190 00:31:21,223 --> 00:31:22,954 40, where in ontario 1191 00:31:22,954 --> 00:31:24,416 specifically, they have to pay 1192 00:31:24,416 --> 00:31:24,416 1193 00:31:24,416 --> 00:31:26,573 their own way for electricity. 1194 00:31:26,573 --> 00:31:26,573 1195 00:31:26,573 --> 00:31:28,416 so it won't actually directly 1196 00:31:28,416 --> 00:31:30,277 affect our electrical bills. 1197 00:31:30,277 --> 00:31:33,041 here in ontario only. 1198 00:31:33,041 --> 00:31:36,091 thank you. >> 1199 00:31:36,091 --> 00:31:38,919 >> reminds me of many of the auditoriums 1200 00:31:38,919 --> 00:31:40,339 auditoriums that a lot of us put 1201 00:31:40,339 --> 00:31:40,339 1202 00:31:40,339 --> 00:31:45,660 in for -- monitoring -- wind 1203 00:31:45,660 --> 00:31:45,660 turbines. 1204 00:31:45,660 --> 00:31:48,650 we effectively kept them from our 1205 00:31:48,650 --> 00:31:49,395 our municipality. 1206 00:31:49,395 --> 00:31:52,190 it can be done, the province 1207 00:31:52,190 --> 00:31:53,797 didn't make us do it. 1208 00:31:53,797 --> 00:31:55,674 to not do something just because 1209 00:31:55,674 --> 00:31:55,674 1210 00:31:55,674 --> 00:31:58,747 you are afraid of being stopped 1211 00:31:58,747 --> 00:31:58,747 is 1212 00:31:58,747 --> 00:32:00,339 is not good enough, is it. 1213 00:32:00,339 --> 00:32:02,253 >> no it is not. 1214 00:32:02,253 --> 00:32:03,687 again I am here knowing this may 1215 00:32:03,687 --> 00:32:03,687 1216 00:32:03,687 --> 00:32:04,751 not go anywhere. 1217 00:32:04,751 --> 00:32:06,851 I'm willing to put in the work 1218 00:32:06,851 --> 00:32:06,851 and 1219 00:32:06,851 --> 00:32:08,707 and try, I'm hoping everybody 1220 00:32:08,707 --> 00:32:09,472 will too. >> 1221 00:32:09,472 --> 00:32:10,532 >> good job. 1222 00:32:10,532 --> 00:32:12,011 anybody else? 1223 00:32:12,011 --> 00:32:14,026 okay then, we have a number of 1224 00:32:14,026 --> 00:32:14,026 1225 00:32:14,026 --> 00:32:16,765 things to do here council. 1226 00:32:16,765 --> 00:32:20,176 again thank you tyler. 1227 00:32:20,176 --> 00:32:22,299 there have been quite a few questions 1228 00:32:22,299 --> 00:32:23,691 questions and thank you for that 1229 00:32:23,691 --> 00:32:23,691 1230 00:32:23,691 --> 00:32:23,691 council. 1231 00:32:23,691 --> 00:32:26,440 there are other related matters 1232 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:26,440 on 1233 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,472 on the agenda this evening, I 1234 00:32:27,472 --> 00:32:28,862 thought it would be good to address 1235 00:32:28,862 --> 00:32:30,721 address them at this time so 1236 00:32:30,721 --> 00:32:32,171 that our audience if they wish 1237 00:32:32,171 --> 00:32:32,171 1238 00:32:32,171 --> 00:32:33,853 to leave have the opportunity to 1239 00:32:33,853 --> 00:32:33,853 1240 00:32:33,853 --> 00:32:36,496 do that, rather than sitting to 1241 00:32:36,496 --> 00:32:36,496 1242 00:32:36,496 --> 00:32:38,979 listen to the rest of our 1243 00:32:38,979 --> 00:32:40,066 evening's business. There 1244 00:32:40,066 --> 00:32:41,896 there is a recommendation then 1245 00:32:41,896 --> 00:32:41,896 to 1246 00:32:41,896 --> 00:32:43,569 to amend the order of business 1247 00:32:43,569 --> 00:32:43,569 1248 00:32:43,569 --> 00:32:46,619 this evening as follows, the 1249 00:32:46,619 --> 00:32:48,289 motion is, the order of the 1250 00:32:48,289 --> 00:32:51,248 agenda be amended to consider 1251 00:32:51,248 --> 00:32:54,128 correspondence item 10.1 .12, 1252 00:32:54,128 --> 00:32:57,383 the public petition ai data 1253 00:32:57,383 --> 00:33:00,200 centres, and new business item 1254 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:00,200 1255 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,626 14.2, the municipal framework 1256 00:33:01,626 --> 00:33:03,888 regarding the development of 1257 00:33:03,888 --> 00:33:06,667 data centres in essex county, and 1258 00:33:06,667 --> 00:33:10,565 and resolutions item ten .2.1, 1259 00:33:10,565 --> 00:33:10,565 1260 00:33:10,565 --> 00:33:12,379 town of amherstburg regarding 1261 00:33:12,379 --> 00:33:14,006 data centres following 1262 00:33:14,006 --> 00:33:16,107 delegations from item 9.1. Looking 1263 00:33:16,107 --> 00:33:17,945 looking for a mover and a seconder 1264 00:33:17,945 --> 00:33:19,002 seconder so we can consider all 1265 00:33:19,002 --> 00:33:19,002 1266 00:33:19,002 --> 00:33:20,931 these at this time? 1267 00:33:20,931 --> 00:33:24,276 councillor deyong seconded by councillor 1268 00:33:24,276 --> 00:33:26,284 councillor verbeke, comments or 1269 00:33:26,284 --> 00:33:26,284 1270 00:33:26,284 --> 00:33:27,433 questions in that regard? 1271 00:33:27,433 --> 00:33:30,455 all in favour by show of hands? 1272 00:33:30,455 --> 00:33:30,455 1273 00:33:30,455 --> 00:33:30,455 opposed? 1274 00:33:30,455 --> 00:33:33,025 that is carried, thank you. 1275 00:33:33,025 --> 00:33:35,404 so first we have the public 1276 00:33:35,404 --> 00:33:37,294 petition for the ai data center, 1277 00:33:37,294 --> 00:33:37,294 1278 00:33:37,294 --> 00:33:39,917 that was submitted by tyler reh 1279 00:33:39,917 --> 00:33:39,917 1280 00:33:39,917 --> 00:33:41,497 this evening and is now provided 1281 00:33:41,497 --> 00:33:41,497 1282 00:33:41,497 --> 00:33:44,331 for council as information. 1283 00:33:44,331 --> 00:33:46,009 so again there's a 1284 00:33:46,009 --> 00:33:47,808 recommendation to formally 1285 00:33:47,808 --> 00:33:49,496 receive the petitions and the 1286 00:33:49,496 --> 00:33:51,611 recommendation is the public 1287 00:33:51,611 --> 00:33:53,461 petition regarding ai data 1288 00:33:53,461 --> 00:33:55,294 centres presented by tyler reh 1289 00:33:55,294 --> 00:33:55,294 be 1290 00:33:55,294 --> 00:33:57,115 be received as information. Looking 1291 00:33:57,115 --> 00:33:58,613 looking for a mover and 1292 00:33:58,613 --> 00:33:58,613 seconder? 1293 00:33:58,613 --> 00:34:01,011 deputy warden and councillor 1294 00:34:01,011 --> 00:34:01,011 shapley? 1295 00:34:01,011 --> 00:34:04,623 any discussion on the motion? 1296 00:34:04,623 --> 00:34:06,535 I will ask you to vote 1297 00:34:06,535 --> 00:34:09,496 electronically please. 1298 00:34:09,496 --> 00:34:31,419 that is carried, thank you. 1299 00:34:31,419 --> 00:34:34,706 next up we have the municipal framework 1300 00:34:34,706 --> 00:34:35,275 framework regarding the 1301 00:34:35,275 --> 00:34:38,023 development of data centres, and 1302 00:34:38,023 --> 00:34:38,023 1303 00:34:38,023 --> 00:34:40,298 for that we will turn to councillor 1304 00:34:40,298 --> 00:34:40,951 councillor deyong to bring 1305 00:34:40,951 --> 00:34:43,319 forward her notice of motion, would you 1306 00:34:43,319 --> 00:34:44,272 would you like to read it at 1307 00:34:44,272 --> 00:34:45,628 this time? 1308 00:34:45,628 --> 00:34:47,509 >> I would not necessarily like 1309 00:34:47,509 --> 00:34:47,509 to 1310 00:34:47,509 --> 00:34:48,893 to read it because it's 1311 00:34:48,893 --> 00:34:49,619 something required? 1312 00:34:49,619 --> 00:34:52,767 it's lengthy, I mean I can but. 1313 00:34:52,767 --> 00:34:52,813 >> 1314 00:34:52,813 --> 00:34:54,932 >> madam clerk? 1315 00:34:54,932 --> 00:34:56,948 should it be out there? 1316 00:34:56,948 --> 00:34:58,676 >> it is displayed on the screen 1317 00:34:58,676 --> 00:34:58,676 1318 00:34:58,676 --> 00:35:02,091 now, it is in all the agenda 1319 00:35:02,091 --> 00:35:02,091 packages. If 1320 00:35:02,091 --> 00:35:04,975 if there is somebody that that 1321 00:35:04,975 --> 00:35:04,975 would 1322 00:35:04,975 --> 00:35:08,387 would like to read it out loud 1323 00:35:08,387 --> 00:35:08,387 , 1324 00:35:08,387 --> 00:35:10,850 you can skip over the preambles 1325 00:35:10,850 --> 00:35:10,850 1326 00:35:10,850 --> 00:35:13,276 and simply read the motion 1327 00:35:13,276 --> 00:35:13,276 itself. 1328 00:35:13,276 --> 00:35:21,644 >> can you tell me where you 1329 00:35:21,644 --> 00:35:23,501 want me to start reading? 1330 00:35:23,501 --> 00:35:26,008 like the motion itself -- >> 1331 00:35:26,008 --> 00:35:27,424 >> now therefore to be 1332 00:35:27,424 --> 00:35:29,331 reasonable. >> 1333 00:35:29,331 --> 00:35:30,645 >> okay thank you. 1334 00:35:30,645 --> 00:35:32,475 now therefore be it resolved the 1335 00:35:32,475 --> 00:35:32,475 county 1336 00:35:32,475 --> 00:35:32,922 county administration be 1337 00:35:32,922 --> 00:35:34,389 directed to in consultation and 1338 00:35:34,389 --> 00:35:34,389 1339 00:35:34,389 --> 00:35:35,406 cooperation with the 1340 00:35:35,406 --> 00:35:36,783 administration of the county's 1341 00:35:36,783 --> 00:35:36,783 1342 00:35:36,783 --> 00:35:38,556 constituent local municipalities 1343 00:35:38,556 --> 00:35:38,556 1344 00:35:38,556 --> 00:35:40,021 undertake a review and study of the 1345 00:35:40,021 --> 00:35:41,791 the county's land use planning 1346 00:35:41,791 --> 00:35:41,791 1347 00:35:41,791 --> 00:35:43,326 policy in relation to artificial 1348 00:35:43,326 --> 00:35:43,326 1349 00:35:43,326 --> 00:35:45,098 intelligence data centres, 1350 00:35:45,098 --> 00:35:46,485 applicable to all zones where that 1351 00:35:46,485 --> 00:35:47,613 that use is permitted in 1352 00:35:47,613 --> 00:35:48,550 the county of essex including 1353 00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:49,887 but not limited to official 1354 00:35:49,887 --> 00:35:52,295 plans and zoning bylaws. 1355 00:35:52,295 --> 00:35:53,734 and let it be that the county 1356 00:35:53,734 --> 00:35:54,662 administration be directed to 1357 00:35:54,662 --> 00:35:55,612 report back to county council 1358 00:35:55,612 --> 00:35:57,464 with an initial report with 1359 00:35:57,464 --> 00:35:58,369 respect to the following in 1360 00:35:58,369 --> 00:35:59,824 advance of completing a study related 1361 00:35:59,824 --> 00:36:02,222 related to ai data centres. 1362 00:36:02,222 --> 00:36:04,207 number 1, the scope of work of any 1363 00:36:04,207 --> 00:36:05,607 any started to be undertaken 1364 00:36:05,607 --> 00:36:07,578 including financial and staffing 1365 00:36:07,578 --> 00:36:07,578 1366 00:36:07,578 --> 00:36:09,047 resources and any need for external 1367 00:36:09,047 --> 00:36:10,505 external consultation, number 2 1368 00:36:10,505 --> 00:36:10,505 the 1369 00:36:10,505 --> 00:36:11,756 the proposed plan to consult 1370 00:36:11,756 --> 00:36:13,241 with indigenous communities, 1371 00:36:13,241 --> 00:36:14,324 three, the proposed public 1372 00:36:14,324 --> 00:36:16,669 engagement strategy, four, 1373 00:36:16,669 --> 00:36:17,540 information on the current 1374 00:36:17,540 --> 00:36:19,066 regulatory environment for ai 1375 00:36:19,066 --> 00:36:20,381 data centres at the federal 1376 00:36:20,381 --> 00:36:21,820 provincial and municipal levels 1377 00:36:21,820 --> 00:36:21,820 of 1378 00:36:21,820 --> 00:36:23,249 of government as well as any 1379 00:36:23,249 --> 00:36:23,938 updates following recent 1380 00:36:23,938 --> 00:36:25,765 legislative changes, five, 1381 00:36:25,765 --> 00:36:27,965 information from the province's 1382 00:36:27,965 --> 00:36:27,965 independent 1383 00:36:27,965 --> 00:36:28,967 independent electricity system 1384 00:36:28,967 --> 00:36:28,967 1385 00:36:28,967 --> 00:36:30,855 operator and electrical utility 1386 00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:30,855 service 1387 00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:31,497 service providers that operate 1388 00:36:31,497 --> 00:36:31,497 1389 00:36:31,497 --> 00:36:33,401 within the county of essex on 1390 00:36:33,401 --> 00:36:34,384 the potential cost and other 1391 00:36:34,384 --> 00:36:35,417 impacts to electrical 1392 00:36:35,417 --> 00:36:38,799 infrastructure and c, that upon 1393 00:36:38,799 --> 00:36:38,799 1394 00:36:38,799 --> 00:36:40,298 receipt of the initial report and 1395 00:36:40,298 --> 00:36:41,469 and recommendations council consider whether 1396 00:36:41,469 --> 00:36:42,093 consider whether a study is required 1397 00:36:42,093 --> 00:36:43,699 required to be completed by third party 1398 00:36:43,699 --> 00:36:44,952 third party consultant, whether 1399 00:36:44,952 --> 00:36:44,952 1400 00:36:44,952 --> 00:36:46,130 additional planning tools are necessary 1401 00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:47,425 necessary prior to third party 1402 00:36:47,425 --> 00:36:47,425 1403 00:36:47,425 --> 00:36:49,166 study being conducted, based on the 1404 00:36:49,166 --> 00:36:50,368 the contents of the initial 1405 00:36:50,368 --> 00:36:52,146 report and options provided by 1406 00:36:52,146 --> 00:36:52,146 1407 00:36:52,146 --> 00:36:54,212 administration, and d, that a 1408 00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:55,865 copy of this motion be shared with the 1409 00:36:55,865 --> 00:36:57,559 with the federation of canadian 1410 00:36:57,559 --> 00:36:57,559 1411 00:36:57,559 --> 00:36:58,134 municipalities and the 1412 00:36:58,134 --> 00:36:59,525 association of municipalities of 1413 00:36:59,525 --> 00:36:59,525 1414 00:36:59,525 --> 00:37:01,374 ontario to formally request 1415 00:37:01,374 --> 00:37:02,464 their support to work with the 1416 00:37:02,464 --> 00:37:02,464 1417 00:37:02,464 --> 00:37:03,229 federal and provincial 1418 00:37:03,229 --> 00:37:04,573 governments and municipalities 1419 00:37:04,573 --> 00:37:04,573 1420 00:37:04,573 --> 00:37:06,011 to establish a coordinated 1421 00:37:06,011 --> 00:37:07,475 regulatory framework that takes 1422 00:37:07,475 --> 00:37:07,475 1423 00:37:07,475 --> 00:37:09,656 into account environmental, 1424 00:37:09,656 --> 00:37:11,128 human and community health 1425 00:37:11,128 --> 00:37:13,431 safeguards and clearly outlines 1426 00:37:13,431 --> 00:37:13,431 public 1427 00:37:13,431 --> 00:37:14,304 public disclosure requirements 1428 00:37:14,304 --> 00:37:14,304 1429 00:37:14,304 --> 00:37:15,742 as it relates to ai industry 1430 00:37:15,742 --> 00:37:18,523 growth and development. 1431 00:37:18,523 --> 00:37:21,600 >> looking for a seconder 1432 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,586 councillor rogers. 1433 00:37:22,586 --> 00:37:24,986 any discussion on the motion? 1434 00:37:24,986 --> 00:37:27,252 councillor bailey? 1435 00:37:27,252 --> 00:37:31,354 >> sorry did you want to speak 1436 00:37:31,354 --> 00:37:31,354 1437 00:37:31,354 --> 00:37:32,810 to your motion first? 1438 00:37:32,810 --> 00:37:35,223 >> I'm sorry, please go ahead. 1439 00:37:35,223 --> 00:37:35,223 1440 00:37:35,223 --> 00:37:36,023 >> thank you. 1441 00:37:36,023 --> 00:37:39,089 I just wanted to make note that 1442 00:37:39,089 --> 00:37:39,089 I 1443 00:37:39,089 --> 00:37:40,733 I recognize this as a first step 1444 00:37:40,733 --> 00:37:40,733 that 1445 00:37:40,733 --> 00:37:41,993 that we know each municipality 1446 00:37:41,993 --> 00:37:42,039 is going to 1447 00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:42,884 is going to have to implement 1448 00:37:42,884 --> 00:37:46,399 its own policies, and the 1449 00:37:46,399 --> 00:37:49,321 initial piece of I guess motion 1450 00:37:49,321 --> 00:37:49,321 1451 00:37:49,321 --> 00:37:51,521 that I put forward to 1452 00:37:51,521 --> 00:37:53,117 administration for some 1453 00:37:53,117 --> 00:37:54,889 assistance did have heavier 1454 00:37:54,889 --> 00:37:56,237 language, it did include 1455 00:37:56,237 --> 00:38:01,321 specifically moratorium, and I 1456 00:38:01,321 --> 00:38:01,321 1457 00:38:01,321 --> 00:38:02,244 understand at the county level it 1458 00:38:02,244 --> 00:38:03,640 it may not be the appropriate 1459 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:03,640 step. 1460 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,558 local municipality has pending 1461 00:38:06,558 --> 00:38:06,558 1462 00:38:06,558 --> 00:38:07,571 application probably a 1463 00:38:07,571 --> 00:38:09,452 moratorium is in order, certainly what I 1464 00:38:09,452 --> 00:38:10,485 certainly what I would do at 1465 00:38:10,485 --> 00:38:12,271 kingsville's counsel table if it 1466 00:38:12,271 --> 00:38:12,271 1467 00:38:12,271 --> 00:38:13,637 came forward. 1468 00:38:13,637 --> 00:38:16,359 in addition, the term control 1469 00:38:16,359 --> 00:38:17,350 bylaw requires a study period 1470 00:38:17,350 --> 00:38:19,850 course of doing a study is in essence 1471 00:38:19,850 --> 00:38:21,185 essence kind of the same thing, 1472 00:38:21,185 --> 00:38:21,185 1473 00:38:21,185 --> 00:38:23,043 especially when we don't have a 1474 00:38:23,043 --> 00:38:23,043 pending 1475 00:38:23,043 --> 00:38:25,053 pending application. 1476 00:38:25,053 --> 00:38:29,541 first step, figuring out what it 1477 00:38:29,541 --> 00:38:29,541 is 1478 00:38:29,541 --> 00:38:32,172 is that we are trying to 1479 00:38:32,172 --> 00:38:32,172 control. There 1480 00:38:32,172 --> 00:38:34,193 there is so many different 1481 00:38:34,193 --> 00:38:36,778 layers to it. 1482 00:38:36,778 --> 00:38:40,043 and I think that we are in a 1483 00:38:40,043 --> 00:38:41,129 fortunate position that even 1484 00:38:41,129 --> 00:38:42,529 though there hasn't been a lot 1485 00:38:42,529 --> 00:38:42,529 of 1486 00:38:42,529 --> 00:38:44,055 of regulation at the provincial 1487 00:38:44,055 --> 00:38:44,055 1488 00:38:44,055 --> 00:38:45,288 and federal level, it is at the 1489 00:38:45,288 --> 00:38:45,288 1490 00:38:45,288 --> 00:38:46,112 end of the day the 1491 00:38:46,112 --> 00:38:47,063 municipalities that are going to 1492 00:38:47,063 --> 00:38:47,063 1493 00:38:47,063 --> 00:38:48,758 have to live with whatever the 1494 00:38:48,758 --> 00:38:48,758 1495 00:38:48,758 --> 00:38:50,428 conditions and nuisances and 1496 00:38:50,428 --> 00:38:52,972 enforcement and so on that is a 1497 00:38:52,972 --> 00:38:52,972 1498 00:38:52,972 --> 00:38:54,853 result of this new thing coming 1499 00:38:54,853 --> 00:38:54,853 1500 00:38:54,853 --> 00:38:56,988 to our communities, and I will 1501 00:38:56,988 --> 00:38:57,034 tell you 1502 00:38:57,034 --> 00:38:57,998 tell you when the regulation 1503 00:38:57,998 --> 00:38:59,808 comes from the top down, usually 1504 00:38:59,808 --> 00:38:59,808 1505 00:38:59,808 --> 00:39:01,867 we have no say and we have no choice 1506 00:39:01,867 --> 00:39:04,883 choice but to deal and we are in 1507 00:39:04,883 --> 00:39:04,883 1508 00:39:04,883 --> 00:39:06,563 a reactive situation and I think 1509 00:39:06,563 --> 00:39:06,563 1510 00:39:06,563 --> 00:39:09,191 this motion allows us to get 1511 00:39:09,191 --> 00:39:12,492 ahead of this and be proactive, 1512 00:39:12,492 --> 00:39:12,492 put 1513 00:39:12,492 --> 00:39:13,837 put it in step before it is enforced 1514 00:39:13,837 --> 00:39:14,898 enforced upon us. 1515 00:39:14,898 --> 00:39:19,657 I hope -- -- I'm certainly open 1516 00:39:19,657 --> 00:39:19,657 to 1517 00:39:19,657 --> 00:39:20,285 to amendments if it gets to our 1518 00:39:20,285 --> 00:39:20,285 1519 00:39:20,285 --> 00:39:21,133 end goal. 1520 00:39:21,133 --> 00:39:23,069 I also have a motion out of my 1521 00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:23,069 1522 00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:26,145 local council about the hydro 1523 00:39:26,145 --> 00:39:31,122 increases here I asked for word 1524 00:39:31,122 --> 00:39:31,122 1525 00:39:31,122 --> 00:39:34,433 what their data is based on, we 1526 00:39:34,433 --> 00:39:34,433 1527 00:39:34,433 --> 00:39:36,356 are not preparing for any huge 1528 00:39:36,356 --> 00:39:36,356 growth 1529 00:39:36,356 --> 00:39:38,311 growth in any one industry, the 1530 00:39:38,311 --> 00:39:38,311 1531 00:39:38,311 --> 00:39:39,391 I.c.e. May want to share why it 1532 00:39:39,391 --> 00:39:39,391 1533 00:39:39,391 --> 00:39:43,142 is they have seen this giant 1534 00:39:43,142 --> 00:39:47,206 growth, at the local and county 1535 00:39:47,206 --> 00:39:47,206 1536 00:39:47,206 --> 00:39:47,206 level. 1537 00:39:47,206 --> 00:39:49,093 specifically this motion says we 1538 00:39:49,093 --> 00:39:49,093 1539 00:39:49,093 --> 00:39:52,006 want to look at where the use is 1540 00:39:52,006 --> 00:39:52,006 1541 00:39:52,006 --> 00:39:53,668 permitted, then that seems 1542 00:39:53,668 --> 00:39:55,922 different depending on where you 1543 00:39:55,922 --> 00:39:55,922 live. 1544 00:39:55,922 --> 00:39:55,922 live. 1545 00:39:55,922 --> 00:39:59,202 I think amherstburg has it as a 1546 00:39:59,202 --> 00:39:59,202 1547 00:39:59,202 --> 00:40:00,284 list of views. 1548 00:40:00,284 --> 00:40:02,471 kingsville doesn't, then 1549 00:40:02,471 --> 00:40:05,706 hamilton won't under light 1550 00:40:05,706 --> 00:40:05,706 industrial. 1551 00:40:05,706 --> 00:40:07,597 when you cannot clearly define things 1552 00:40:07,597 --> 00:40:08,576 things you don't necessarily know 1553 00:40:08,576 --> 00:40:09,714 know where they will put them 1554 00:40:09,714 --> 00:40:10,756 and I think that's part of what 1555 00:40:10,756 --> 00:40:10,756 1556 00:40:10,756 --> 00:40:12,943 this work has to do, help define 1557 00:40:12,943 --> 00:40:12,943 1558 00:40:12,943 --> 00:40:15,415 all the parameters that we can 1559 00:40:15,415 --> 00:40:15,461 put in controls 1560 00:40:15,461 --> 00:40:16,179 put in controls that are 1561 00:40:16,179 --> 00:40:19,617 defendable if we are challenged 1562 00:40:19,617 --> 00:40:19,617 . 1563 00:40:19,617 --> 00:40:20,875 that's at. 1564 00:40:20,875 --> 00:40:22,292 I may have more comments at the 1565 00:40:22,292 --> 00:40:22,292 1566 00:40:22,292 --> 00:40:24,000 end, thank you so much. 1567 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,452 >> great, put up your hand and we 1568 00:40:25,452 --> 00:40:27,284 we will go from there, how is 1569 00:40:27,284 --> 00:40:27,284 that? 1570 00:40:27,284 --> 00:40:31,089 start with you councillor bailey 1571 00:40:31,089 --> 00:40:31,089  bailey. 1572 00:40:31,089 --> 00:40:31,089  bailey. 1573 00:40:31,089 --> 00:40:32,702 >> recognize that we have been 1574 00:40:32,702 --> 00:40:32,702 1575 00:40:32,702 --> 00:40:34,611 down this path with battery storage 1576 00:40:34,611 --> 00:40:36,640 storage cut green housing, wind 1577 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:36,640 1578 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,055 turbine, hydro lines and all 1579 00:40:38,055 --> 00:40:40,302 those things, especially in 1580 00:40:40,302 --> 00:40:41,719 particular the municipalities 1581 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,554 that have a large agricultural 1582 00:40:44,554 --> 00:40:44,554 1583 00:40:44,554 --> 00:40:44,554 footprint. 1584 00:40:44,554 --> 00:40:48,209 I am wondering if you would 1585 00:40:48,209 --> 00:40:51,487 consider friendly amendment, 1586 00:40:51,487 --> 00:40:53,586 that just adds on that nothing 1587 00:40:53,586 --> 00:40:53,586 1588 00:40:53,586 --> 00:40:55,403 in this resolution shall be 1589 00:40:55,403 --> 00:40:56,717 interpreted as encouraging or 1590 00:40:56,717 --> 00:40:58,576 facilitating the development of 1591 00:40:58,576 --> 00:40:58,576 1592 00:40:58,576 --> 00:41:02,675 ai data centres of essex county 1593 00:41:02,675 --> 00:41:02,675 1594 00:41:02,675 --> 00:41:05,803 recognizing you did hide some bolder 1595 00:41:05,803 --> 00:41:06,784 bolder language that was styled 1596 00:41:06,784 --> 00:41:06,784 1597 00:41:06,784 --> 00:41:08,254 by, I recognize we do have to 1598 00:41:08,254 --> 00:41:09,027 study it. 1599 00:41:09,027 --> 00:41:11,970 I am concerned, I have several 1600 00:41:11,970 --> 00:41:11,970 1601 00:41:11,970 --> 00:41:13,363 amendments in a summarized down 1602 00:41:13,363 --> 00:41:13,363 to 1603 00:41:13,363 --> 00:41:15,194 to this one because I still 1604 00:41:15,194 --> 00:41:16,838 remain concerned that our focus 1605 00:41:16,838 --> 00:41:16,838 1606 00:41:16,838 --> 00:41:18,350 should really be about making sure 1607 00:41:18,350 --> 00:41:20,138 sure that the resolution we have 1608 00:41:20,138 --> 00:41:20,138 1609 00:41:20,138 --> 00:41:21,249 tonight isn't interpreted in that way 1610 00:41:21,249 --> 00:41:22,440 that way and I think having that 1611 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:22,440 1612 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,017 language would be helpful. 1613 00:41:24,017 --> 00:41:25,958 friendly amendment for your 1614 00:41:25,958 --> 00:41:26,710 consideration. >> 1615 00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:30,120 >> happy to accept the friendly 1616 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:30,120 1617 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:30,120 amendment. 1618 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:36,118 >> can you repeat what you 1619 00:41:36,118 --> 00:41:36,118 proposed? 1620 00:41:36,118 --> 00:41:40,307 >> I can, thank you. 1621 00:41:40,307 --> 00:41:42,210 part e, confirming that nothing 1622 00:41:42,210 --> 00:41:42,210 1623 00:41:42,210 --> 00:41:46,006 in this resolution shall be 1624 00:41:46,006 --> 00:41:50,744 interpreted as endorsing, 1625 00:41:50,744 --> 00:41:56,199 encouraging, or facilitating the 1626 00:41:56,199 --> 00:41:56,199 1627 00:41:56,199 --> 00:42:02,331 development of ai data centres 1628 00:42:02,331 --> 00:42:02,331 1629 00:42:02,331 --> 00:42:03,366 within essex county. 1630 00:42:03,366 --> 00:42:06,405 thank you to the mover. 1631 00:42:06,405 --> 00:42:27,471 >> it'll be a moment until we get 1632 00:42:27,471 --> 00:42:30,529 get it on the screen. 1633 00:42:30,529 --> 00:43:08,234 councillor deyong and councillor 1634 00:43:08,234 --> 00:43:08,234 1635 00:43:08,234 --> 00:43:09,984 bailey can you review the 1636 00:43:09,984 --> 00:43:13,803 language in the revised motion 1637 00:43:13,803 --> 00:43:13,803 ? 1638 00:43:13,803 --> 00:43:16,457 there is a typo, ignore that for 1639 00:43:16,457 --> 00:43:16,457 1640 00:43:16,457 --> 00:43:16,457 now. 1641 00:43:16,457 --> 00:43:29,848 >> some grammar and spelling 1642 00:43:29,848 --> 00:43:33,356 inside, it is fine by me. 1643 00:43:33,356 --> 00:43:38,458 fine by the secondary as 1644 00:43:38,458 --> 00:43:38,458 well? 1645 00:43:38,458 --> 00:43:38,458 okay. I 1646 00:43:38,458 --> 00:43:41,528 I got a number of people that still 1647 00:43:41,528 --> 00:43:43,406 still would like to speak to the 1648 00:43:43,406 --> 00:43:43,406 1649 00:43:43,406 --> 00:43:45,327 motion, and I will come to you 1650 00:43:45,327 --> 00:43:45,327 1651 00:43:45,327 --> 00:43:46,930 deputy warden next. >> 1652 00:43:46,930 --> 00:43:47,799 >> thank you I would like to 1653 00:43:47,799 --> 00:43:49,265 also propose a friendly 1654 00:43:49,265 --> 00:43:51,438 amendment, if we can add a -- I 1655 00:43:51,438 --> 00:43:51,438 know 1656 00:43:51,438 --> 00:43:53,266 know talks about consulting with 1657 00:43:53,266 --> 00:43:53,266 1658 00:43:53,266 --> 00:43:53,266 indigenous. 1659 00:43:53,266 --> 00:43:57,922 if we can ask for input or 1660 00:43:57,922 --> 00:43:58,944 consult with the windsor 1661 00:43:58,944 --> 00:44:02,746 essex county health unit, along 1662 00:44:02,746 --> 00:44:02,746 with 1663 00:44:02,746 --> 00:44:04,625 with the new conservation board 1664 00:44:04,625 --> 00:44:04,625 1665 00:44:04,625 --> 00:44:07,660 authority board that is in our 1666 00:44:07,660 --> 00:44:07,660 1667 00:44:07,660 --> 00:44:07,660 area. 1668 00:44:07,660 --> 00:44:10,074 so if there's any input or 1669 00:44:10,074 --> 00:44:12,903 consultation from that board that would 1670 00:44:12,903 --> 00:44:14,228 that would be part of the motion 1671 00:44:14,228 --> 00:44:14,228 1672 00:44:14,228 --> 00:44:16,746 as well. 1673 00:44:16,746 --> 00:44:19,518 >> councillor deyong? 1674 00:44:19,518 --> 00:44:21,993 >> I'm looking for some clarity, 1675 00:44:21,993 --> 00:44:21,993 1676 00:44:21,993 --> 00:44:24,825 is that part of the study rather 1677 00:44:24,825 --> 00:44:24,825 1678 00:44:24,825 --> 00:44:27,714 than this prereport? 1679 00:44:27,714 --> 00:44:30,677 do we want to consult with them 1680 00:44:30,677 --> 00:44:30,677 for 1681 00:44:30,677 --> 00:44:32,131 for the report that will come to 1682 00:44:32,131 --> 00:44:32,131 do 1683 00:44:32,131 --> 00:44:33,771 do the study, or consult with them 1684 00:44:33,771 --> 00:44:36,768 them as part of the study? 1685 00:44:36,768 --> 00:44:38,630 >> through you warden, for 1686 00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:41,090 clarification from the mover, I 1687 00:44:41,090 --> 00:44:41,090 1688 00:44:41,090 --> 00:44:42,500 believe the intent of this motion 1689 00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:45,723 motion as it is written is to engage 1690 00:44:45,723 --> 00:44:46,708 engage administration at the 1691 00:44:46,708 --> 00:44:48,959 county to create a report 1692 00:44:48,959 --> 00:44:50,430 advising council on what the 1693 00:44:50,430 --> 00:44:52,389 components of said study might 1694 00:44:52,389 --> 00:44:52,389 1695 00:44:52,389 --> 00:44:53,942 be, and the logistics of 1696 00:44:53,942 --> 00:44:55,796 completing said study. 1697 00:44:55,796 --> 00:44:58,376 at that instance, all of those 1698 00:44:58,376 --> 00:44:58,376 1699 00:44:58,376 --> 00:45:00,434 types of things can be included 1700 00:45:00,434 --> 00:45:00,434 1701 00:45:00,434 --> 00:45:01,913 in that report to council which 1702 00:45:01,913 --> 00:45:01,913 1703 00:45:01,913 --> 00:45:03,702 will be forthcoming at an 1704 00:45:03,702 --> 00:45:05,101 upcoming meeting. 1705 00:45:05,101 --> 00:45:06,993 I don't think it's necessary to 1706 00:45:06,993 --> 00:45:06,993 1707 00:45:06,993 --> 00:45:09,181 include those parameters into 1708 00:45:09,181 --> 00:45:11,607 this motion as it is now. 1709 00:45:11,607 --> 00:45:13,008 if it's coming back to council 1710 00:45:13,008 --> 00:45:13,008 1711 00:45:13,008 --> 00:45:14,905 for that consideration. >> 1712 00:45:14,905 --> 00:45:16,383 >> that is what I thought, I don't want 1713 00:45:16,383 --> 00:45:17,482 don't want to get into defining 1714 00:45:17,482 --> 00:45:17,482 1715 00:45:17,482 --> 00:45:18,494 what every single thing in the 1716 00:45:18,494 --> 00:45:18,494 1717 00:45:18,494 --> 00:45:19,886 study is going to be. 1718 00:45:19,886 --> 00:45:21,397 I think we will have that 1719 00:45:21,397 --> 00:45:22,369 discussion when the report 1720 00:45:22,369 --> 00:45:24,294 comes, did you want to do this 1721 00:45:24,294 --> 00:45:24,294 1722 00:45:24,294 --> 00:45:26,105 or this to make sure the study 1723 00:45:26,105 --> 00:45:26,105 1724 00:45:26,105 --> 00:45:28,510 parameters are inclusive of all 1725 00:45:28,510 --> 00:45:28,510 of 1726 00:45:28,510 --> 00:45:29,731 of that? >> 1727 00:45:29,731 --> 00:45:31,461 >> that's fine, thank you for the 1728 00:45:31,461 --> 00:45:32,616 the clarification that we will 1729 00:45:32,616 --> 00:45:32,662 come back 1730 00:45:32,662 --> 00:45:34,366 come back and make sure if we need 1731 00:45:34,366 --> 00:45:35,793 need to include at that point. 1732 00:45:35,793 --> 00:45:37,185 I am fine with the way it is 1733 00:45:37,185 --> 00:45:37,990 written now. 1734 00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:39,379 thank you. 1735 00:45:39,379 --> 00:45:41,880 >> councillor gibb next? >> 1736 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,661 >> thank you madam warden. 1737 00:45:43,661 --> 00:45:45,917 I don't have any amendments to 1738 00:45:45,917 --> 00:45:45,917 1739 00:45:45,917 --> 00:45:47,636 offer, this would be quicker. 1740 00:45:47,636 --> 00:45:50,771 I just wanted to thank councillor 1741 00:45:50,771 --> 00:45:52,445 councillor deyong for bringing 1742 00:45:52,445 --> 00:45:52,445 1743 00:45:52,445 --> 00:45:53,413 this forward. 1744 00:45:53,413 --> 00:45:55,924 it is obvious from the emails 1745 00:45:55,924 --> 00:45:58,119 and the messages that we 1746 00:45:58,119 --> 00:45:59,547 received that this is an 1747 00:45:59,547 --> 00:46:01,388 important concern for residents 1748 00:46:01,388 --> 00:46:01,388 of 1749 00:46:01,388 --> 00:46:02,391 of essex county. 1750 00:46:02,391 --> 00:46:03,876 and I think it is very 1751 00:46:03,876 --> 00:46:05,286 appropriate for us to deal with 1752 00:46:05,286 --> 00:46:05,286 1753 00:46:05,286 --> 00:46:07,491 this at the county level. 1754 00:46:07,491 --> 00:46:09,940 from my back porch, I can see 1755 00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:12,545 the lights from the greenhouses 1756 00:46:12,545 --> 00:46:12,545 1757 00:46:12,545 --> 00:46:13,185 in leamington. 1758 00:46:13,185 --> 00:46:16,036 the electricity that comes to 1759 00:46:16,036 --> 00:46:18,242 amherstburg flows through 1760 00:46:18,242 --> 00:46:18,242 lasalle. 1761 00:46:18,242 --> 00:46:20,520 using industrial land for 1762 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,939 something that won't bring us 1763 00:46:21,939 --> 00:46:23,489 good paying jobs affects every 1764 00:46:23,489 --> 00:46:23,489 1765 00:46:23,489 --> 00:46:25,757 single resident of this county. 1766 00:46:25,757 --> 00:46:25,757 1767 00:46:25,757 --> 00:46:28,255 I am glad that the county -- I 1768 00:46:28,255 --> 00:46:28,255 1769 00:46:28,255 --> 00:46:30,078 am hopeful that county council 1770 00:46:30,078 --> 00:46:30,078 1771 00:46:30,078 --> 00:46:32,350 will move forward with this. 1772 00:46:32,350 --> 00:46:33,794 and I think it is important that 1773 00:46:33,794 --> 00:46:33,794 1774 00:46:33,794 --> 00:46:35,557 we are prepared. 1775 00:46:35,557 --> 00:46:39,277 I was just reading, the federal 1776 00:46:39,277 --> 00:46:39,277 1777 00:46:39,277 --> 00:46:44,543 government is looking to invest 1778 00:46:44,543 --> 00:46:44,590 $925 million 1779 00:46:44,590 --> 00:46:45,973 $925 million in sovereign ai 1780 00:46:45,973 --> 00:46:47,052 compute strategy. 1781 00:46:47,052 --> 00:46:49,274 so this is coming, this is coming 1782 00:46:49,274 --> 00:46:51,480 coming from other levels of 1783 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:52,719 government, I think it is important 1784 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,584 important we are prepared as possible 1785 00:46:54,584 --> 00:46:57,549 possible to make sure that if we 1786 00:46:57,549 --> 00:46:57,549 1787 00:46:57,549 --> 00:46:58,955 cannot ban this calculus we are 1788 00:46:58,955 --> 00:46:58,955 1789 00:46:58,955 --> 00:47:00,699 prepared to fight back. 1790 00:47:00,699 --> 00:47:03,113 I will be supporting this. 1791 00:47:03,113 --> 00:47:05,371 I think it was very well 1792 00:47:05,371 --> 00:47:05,371 presented. 1793 00:47:05,371 --> 00:47:07,634 I want to thank the presenter 1794 00:47:07,634 --> 00:47:11,144 for having a concise and very well thought out 1795 00:47:11,144 --> 00:47:12,887 well thought out presentation. 1796 00:47:12,887 --> 00:47:12,887 1797 00:47:12,887 --> 00:47:14,684 this is appropriately dealt with 1798 00:47:14,684 --> 00:47:14,684 at 1799 00:47:14,684 --> 00:47:16,581 at the county, rather than 1800 00:47:16,581 --> 00:47:17,993 having seven individual 1801 00:47:17,993 --> 00:47:21,253 municipalities try and create seven 1802 00:47:21,253 --> 00:47:22,095 seven different programmes, we 1803 00:47:22,095 --> 00:47:22,095 1804 00:47:22,095 --> 00:47:23,472 should do the heavy lifting 1805 00:47:23,472 --> 00:47:23,472 here. 1806 00:47:23,472 --> 00:47:25,909 thank you. >> 1807 00:47:25,909 --> 00:47:26,895 >> thank you. 1808 00:47:26,895 --> 00:47:30,255 next up, councillor prue? 1809 00:47:30,255 --> 00:47:33,552 >> thank you so much, what has 1810 00:47:33,552 --> 00:47:33,552 1811 00:47:33,552 --> 00:47:36,437 been said about loading this up 1812 00:47:36,437 --> 00:47:36,483 too much 1813 00:47:36,483 --> 00:47:38,208 too much but I do want to remind 1814 00:47:38,208 --> 00:47:38,208 1815 00:47:38,208 --> 00:47:40,734 council and staff, when you are 1816 00:47:40,734 --> 00:47:40,734 sitting 1817 00:47:40,734 --> 00:47:42,597 sitting down to determine what 1818 00:47:42,597 --> 00:47:42,597 1819 00:47:42,597 --> 00:47:45,819 you are going to study, this is 1820 00:47:45,819 --> 00:47:45,819 a 1821 00:47:45,819 --> 00:47:47,211 a multi-jurisdictional issue. 1822 00:47:47,211 --> 00:47:49,684 it goes far beyond the county it 1823 00:47:49,684 --> 00:47:49,684 1824 00:47:49,684 --> 00:47:51,499 goes far beyond the local 1825 00:47:51,499 --> 00:47:51,499 municipalities. 1826 00:47:51,499 --> 00:47:55,723 in fact most of the stuff, water 1827 00:47:55,723 --> 00:47:55,723 is 1828 00:47:55,723 --> 00:47:58,011 is both a federal and provincial 1829 00:47:58,011 --> 00:47:58,011 1830 00:47:58,011 --> 00:47:58,011 jurisdiction. 1831 00:47:58,011 --> 00:48:02,581 electricity is 100% provincial 1832 00:48:02,581 --> 00:48:02,581 1833 00:48:02,581 --> 00:48:02,581 jurisdiction. 1834 00:48:02,581 --> 00:48:05,822 they are the ones that determine 1835 00:48:05,822 --> 00:48:05,822 the 1836 00:48:05,822 --> 00:48:07,675 the I.c.e. And provincial 1837 00:48:07,675 --> 00:48:09,502 government, what electricity 1838 00:48:09,502 --> 00:48:15,482 services come into -- iso -- as 1839 00:48:15,482 --> 00:48:15,482 pitiful 1840 00:48:15,482 --> 00:48:17,034 pitiful as they sometimes may 1841 00:48:17,034 --> 00:48:17,034 be. 1842 00:48:17,034 --> 00:48:18,857 the farmland issue, people 1843 00:48:18,857 --> 00:48:20,686 talked about not using 1844 00:48:20,686 --> 00:48:20,686 farmland. 1845 00:48:20,686 --> 00:48:23,484 I thought we were already forbidden 1846 00:48:23,484 --> 00:48:27,098 forbidden pretty much from using 1847 00:48:27,098 --> 00:48:27,098 1848 00:48:27,098 --> 00:48:27,098 farmland. 1849 00:48:27,098 --> 00:48:28,614 I know if you go to the 1850 00:48:28,614 --> 00:48:30,603 committee of adjustment and each 1851 00:48:30,603 --> 00:48:30,649 one of the 1852 00:48:30,649 --> 00:48:31,845 one of the municipalities, 1853 00:48:31,845 --> 00:48:33,916 somebody wants to use farmland 1854 00:48:33,916 --> 00:48:33,916 for 1855 00:48:33,916 --> 00:48:36,527 for something else, hardly ever 1856 00:48:36,527 --> 00:48:36,527 1857 00:48:36,527 --> 00:48:36,527 happens. 1858 00:48:36,527 --> 00:48:39,296 because restrictions are so 1859 00:48:39,296 --> 00:48:39,296 severe. 1860 00:48:39,296 --> 00:48:44,790 I do want to remind the staff when 1861 00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:46,671 when they are preparing this that this 1862 00:48:46,671 --> 00:48:47,671 that this is a worldwide 1863 00:48:47,671 --> 00:48:47,671 phenomenon. 1864 00:48:47,671 --> 00:48:50,913 it is not just coming to 1865 00:48:50,913 --> 00:48:51,711 essex county. 1866 00:48:51,711 --> 00:48:54,521 it is not just coming to ontario 1867 00:48:54,521 --> 00:48:54,521 1868 00:48:54,521 --> 00:48:56,322 or to canada. 1869 00:48:56,322 --> 00:48:58,801 the two leading countries in the 1870 00:48:58,801 --> 00:48:58,801 world 1871 00:48:58,801 --> 00:49:00,601 world that are pushing this are 1872 00:49:00,601 --> 00:49:00,601 1873 00:49:00,601 --> 00:49:03,078 the united states and china, 1874 00:49:03,078 --> 00:49:07,125 both of whom are way, way, way 1875 00:49:07,125 --> 00:49:07,125 1876 00:49:07,125 --> 00:49:10,422 along the road, looking I do not 1877 00:49:10,422 --> 00:49:10,422 1878 00:49:10,422 --> 00:49:12,443 know what for other than world 1879 00:49:12,443 --> 00:49:12,443 dominance. 1880 00:49:12,443 --> 00:49:12,443 dominance. 1881 00:49:12,443 --> 00:49:15,029 that is where they are heading. 1882 00:49:15,029 --> 00:49:15,029 1883 00:49:15,029 --> 00:49:16,851 and canada will have to make 1884 00:49:16,851 --> 00:49:18,347 that choice, whether or not we 1885 00:49:18,347 --> 00:49:18,347 1886 00:49:18,347 --> 00:49:20,831 want to go down this route and 1887 00:49:20,831 --> 00:49:20,831 1888 00:49:20,831 --> 00:49:23,047 if they do, it will be very difficult. 1889 00:49:23,047 --> 00:49:23,047 if they do, it will be very difficult. 1890 00:49:23,047 --> 00:49:25,732 I want to be blunt, if canada 1891 00:49:25,732 --> 00:49:27,483 decides they want to go down 1892 00:49:27,483 --> 00:49:29,738 this route, or if ontario decides they 1893 00:49:29,738 --> 00:49:30,737 decides they want to go down 1894 00:49:30,737 --> 00:49:36,348 this route, they can, as the 1895 00:49:36,348 --> 00:49:40,381 presenter saidthe jurisdiction 1896 00:49:40,381 --> 00:49:41,095 is, there. 1897 00:49:41,095 --> 00:49:43,072 so I want to make sure when staff 1898 00:49:43,072 --> 00:49:45,324 staff prepares this, that they 1899 00:49:45,324 --> 00:49:45,374 look at 1900 00:49:45,374 --> 00:49:47,398 look at multi-jurisdictional 1901 00:49:47,398 --> 00:49:50,749 arguments and where the county 1902 00:49:50,749 --> 00:49:53,980 fits in with all of this. 1903 00:49:53,980 --> 00:49:55,682 I know we have a role, but I 1904 00:49:55,682 --> 00:49:57,114 want to make sure it is clear 1905 00:49:57,114 --> 00:49:59,363 what our role is, vis a vis other 1906 00:49:59,363 --> 00:50:02,054 other levels of government. 1907 00:50:02,054 --> 00:50:06,269 >> councillor bondy next. >> 1908 00:50:06,269 --> 00:50:07,238 >> thank you warden mcdonald. 1909 00:50:07,238 --> 00:50:08,714 of course I will be supporting 1910 00:50:08,714 --> 00:50:08,714 1911 00:50:08,714 --> 00:50:09,768 the motion and I want to thank 1912 00:50:09,768 --> 00:50:09,768 1913 00:50:09,768 --> 00:50:11,232 all of the members of the public 1914 00:50:11,232 --> 00:50:11,232 1915 00:50:11,232 --> 00:50:12,662 for being engaged and sending us 1916 00:50:12,662 --> 00:50:12,662 a 1917 00:50:12,662 --> 00:50:14,135 a lot of emails. 1918 00:50:14,135 --> 00:50:16,209 I'm wondering if we can ask our 1919 00:50:16,209 --> 00:50:16,209 1920 00:50:16,209 --> 00:50:17,677 manager if planning a question 1921 00:50:17,677 --> 00:50:18,683 -- I. Would like to know her 1922 00:50:18,683 --> 00:50:19,409 thoughts on the motion and if 1923 00:50:19,409 --> 00:50:20,791 there is anything else we should 1924 00:50:20,791 --> 00:50:20,791 1925 00:50:20,791 --> 00:50:22,260 put into it. 1926 00:50:22,260 --> 00:50:24,169 and I'm also wondering, my 1927 00:50:24,169 --> 00:50:25,222 understanding is zoning 1928 00:50:25,222 --> 00:50:26,568 governance a lot where data 1929 00:50:26,568 --> 00:50:28,780 centres go. 1930 00:50:28,780 --> 00:50:30,629 so I'm worried that while this 1931 00:50:30,629 --> 00:50:30,629 1932 00:50:30,629 --> 00:50:32,338 study is taking place, that at 1933 00:50:32,338 --> 00:50:34,190 the local level, we could be 1934 00:50:34,190 --> 00:50:36,605 exposed due to lack of zoning. 1935 00:50:36,605 --> 00:50:36,605 1936 00:50:36,605 --> 00:50:39,481 that prohibits data centres. 1937 00:50:39,481 --> 00:50:41,372 so I'm wondering if there is 1938 00:50:41,372 --> 00:50:42,772 something that should all of the 1939 00:50:42,772 --> 00:50:42,772 1940 00:50:42,772 --> 00:50:45,645 locals start doing in terms of 1941 00:50:45,645 --> 00:50:47,063 controlled bylaws while this study 1942 00:50:47,063 --> 00:50:48,312 study is taking place. 1943 00:50:48,312 --> 00:50:50,139 that is my question, I think our 1944 00:50:50,139 --> 00:50:50,189 manager will 1945 00:50:50,189 --> 00:50:51,050 manager will be the one to 1946 00:50:51,050 --> 00:50:52,264 answer it. >> I 1947 00:50:52,264 --> 00:50:53,917 >> I do have her coming later 1948 00:50:53,917 --> 00:50:55,010 on, like right after when we do the 1949 00:50:55,010 --> 00:50:56,353 the town of amherstburg. That 1950 00:50:56,353 --> 00:50:57,899 that is the time to do it. 1951 00:50:57,899 --> 00:50:59,286 if we can just concentrate on this 1952 00:50:59,286 --> 00:51:01,910 this motion if you don't mind. 1953 00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:01,910 1954 00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:04,379 good point, definitely that was 1955 00:51:04,379 --> 00:51:04,379 1956 00:51:04,379 --> 00:51:05,848 my objective. >> 1957 00:51:05,848 --> 00:51:06,448 >> thank you. >> 1958 00:51:06,448 --> 00:51:06,841 >> thank you. 1959 00:51:06,841 --> 00:51:09,649 councillor shepley? 1960 00:51:09,649 --> 00:51:13,553 >> thank you madam warden. 1961 00:51:13,553 --> 00:51:16,627 deputy mayor de jong, thank you 1962 00:51:16,627 --> 00:51:16,627 for 1963 00:51:16,627 --> 00:51:17,689 for bringing that forward, it 1964 00:51:17,689 --> 00:51:18,711 was well written. 1965 00:51:18,711 --> 00:51:20,898 I appreciate the -- conversation 1966 00:51:20,898 --> 00:51:20,898 1967 00:51:20,898 --> 00:51:24,544 so I hope you can educate me as 1968 00:51:24,544 --> 00:51:24,544 well 1969 00:51:24,544 --> 00:51:26,215 well as the information 1970 00:51:26,215 --> 00:51:26,215 provided. 1971 00:51:26,215 --> 00:51:29,335 .. Just looking into them a little 1972 00:51:29,335 --> 00:51:31,784 bit that I did, I found one -- 1973 00:51:31,784 --> 00:51:31,784 1974 00:51:31,784 --> 00:51:34,203 it'll probably not do the town 1975 00:51:34,203 --> 00:51:34,203 1976 00:51:34,203 --> 00:51:36,628 justice, it's in michigan. 1977 00:51:36,628 --> 00:51:39,872 there's a centre there that just 1978 00:51:39,872 --> 00:51:39,872 screams 1979 00:51:39,872 --> 00:51:41,399 screams -- streams 24 hours a 1980 00:51:41,399 --> 00:51:43,637 day seven days a week. 1981 00:51:43,637 --> 00:51:45,766 I found one after another like 1982 00:51:45,766 --> 00:51:45,766 1983 00:51:45,766 --> 00:51:45,766 that. 1984 00:51:45,766 --> 00:51:47,937 it really changed how I viewed 1985 00:51:47,937 --> 00:51:47,937 1986 00:51:47,937 --> 00:51:49,352 this topic altogether. 1987 00:51:49,352 --> 00:51:52,251 so I will be supporting, I want 1988 00:51:52,251 --> 00:51:52,251 to 1989 00:51:52,251 --> 00:51:53,938 to know what tools we already 1990 00:51:53,938 --> 00:51:53,938 have. 1991 00:51:53,938 --> 00:51:58,422 what gaps there may be. 1992 00:51:58,422 --> 00:52:00,031 and I would rather spend a 1993 00:52:00,031 --> 00:52:01,476 little more time getting this 1994 00:52:01,476 --> 00:52:02,920 right than rushing into it and 1995 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:02,920 1996 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:03,601 getting it wrong. 1997 00:52:03,601 --> 00:52:05,490 so I think this is the right way 1998 00:52:05,490 --> 00:52:05,490 to 1999 00:52:05,490 --> 00:52:08,323 to go, thank you for that. 2000 00:52:08,323 --> 00:52:09,707 >> thank you. 2001 00:52:09,707 --> 00:52:09,707 councillor? 2002 00:52:09,707 --> 00:52:13,351 >> thank you warden. 2003 00:52:13,351 --> 00:52:15,865 I think the last few speakers actually 2004 00:52:15,865 --> 00:52:17,293 actually had all of my questions. 2005 00:52:17,293 --> 00:52:17,293 actually had all of my questions. 2006 00:52:17,293 --> 00:52:18,800 but I will run through it really 2007 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:19,808 quickly that maybe someone can 2008 00:52:19,808 --> 00:52:21,244 take notes and follow up 2009 00:52:21,244 --> 00:52:21,244 afterwards. 2010 00:52:21,244 --> 00:52:24,473 I appreciate the notice of 2011 00:52:24,473 --> 00:52:24,473 motion. I 2012 00:52:24,473 --> 00:52:26,011 I think it's something we 2013 00:52:26,011 --> 00:52:27,144 absolutely need to discuss, I 2014 00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:28,774 think it is absolutely a hot topic 2015 00:52:28,774 --> 00:52:30,683 topic across north america. 2016 00:52:30,683 --> 00:52:32,111 and it wouldn't be right if we 2017 00:52:32,111 --> 00:52:32,161 didn't do 2018 00:52:32,161 --> 00:52:33,527 didn't do our due diligence. 2019 00:52:33,527 --> 00:52:34,999 so my question for 2020 00:52:34,999 --> 00:52:36,391 administration, if they want to 2021 00:52:36,391 --> 00:52:36,391 record 2022 00:52:36,391 --> 00:52:39,268 record it I won't ask it later, 2023 00:52:39,268 --> 00:52:39,268 2024 00:52:39,268 --> 00:52:41,141 it really is around our authority. 2025 00:52:41,141 --> 00:52:41,141 it really is around our authority. 2026 00:52:41,141 --> 00:52:43,190 can administration clarify today 2027 00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:43,190 2028 00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:44,281 what authority essex county 2029 00:52:44,281 --> 00:52:46,457 actually has regarding ai data 2030 00:52:46,457 --> 00:52:46,457 2031 00:52:46,457 --> 00:52:46,457 centres? 2032 00:52:46,457 --> 00:52:48,553 specifically what decisions fall 2033 00:52:48,553 --> 00:52:50,802 within the county jurisdiction, 2034 00:52:50,802 --> 00:52:50,802 what 2035 00:52:50,802 --> 00:52:52,417 what responsibilities belong to 2036 00:52:52,417 --> 00:52:52,417 local 2037 00:52:52,417 --> 00:52:53,258 local municipalities and what 2038 00:52:53,258 --> 00:52:54,651 authority rests with the 2039 00:52:54,651 --> 00:52:54,651 province. 2040 00:52:54,651 --> 00:52:58,568 as our delegate did mention, each 2041 00:52:58,568 --> 00:52:59,746 each municipality does have 2042 00:52:59,746 --> 00:53:01,459 different bylaws and official plants. 2043 00:53:01,459 --> 00:53:01,459 different bylaws and official plants. 2044 00:53:01,459 --> 00:53:03,320 so can a blanket planning bylaw 2045 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,515 even be applied? 2046 00:53:05,515 --> 00:53:07,607 if the county's role is limited, 2047 00:53:07,607 --> 00:53:09,400 then I assume the initial report 2048 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:09,400 will 2049 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,201 will focus on jurisdiction and 2050 00:53:11,201 --> 00:53:11,201 2051 00:53:11,201 --> 00:53:12,689 legal authority before council 2052 00:53:12,689 --> 00:53:13,729 determines whether broader 2053 00:53:13,729 --> 00:53:15,139 studies should proceed. I 2054 00:53:15,139 --> 00:53:16,933 I think that is kind of where -- 2055 00:53:16,933 --> 00:53:16,933 I'm 2056 00:53:16,933 --> 00:53:19,784 I'm trying to understand tonight 2057 00:53:19,784 --> 00:53:19,784 2058 00:53:19,784 --> 00:53:21,047 what authority we actually have 2059 00:53:21,047 --> 00:53:22,239 in this room. 2060 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,726 and if we don't have that 2061 00:53:24,726 --> 00:53:25,684 authority, then it is on each of us 2062 00:53:25,684 --> 00:53:27,458 us to take it back to our 2063 00:53:27,458 --> 00:53:27,458 locals. 2064 00:53:27,458 --> 00:53:29,914 I know we still have our 2065 00:53:29,914 --> 00:53:31,425 meetings in communication with 2066 00:53:31,425 --> 00:53:31,425 2067 00:53:31,425 --> 00:53:33,487 our lower tier and upper, but I 2068 00:53:33,487 --> 00:53:36,031 really just want to understand 2069 00:53:36,031 --> 00:53:36,031 what 2070 00:53:36,031 --> 00:53:37,881 what we can actually do here and 2071 00:53:37,881 --> 00:53:37,931 I don't 2072 00:53:37,931 --> 00:53:39,126 I don't want to waste time and 2073 00:53:39,126 --> 00:53:39,126 money 2074 00:53:39,126 --> 00:53:40,641 money doing a study, only to 2075 00:53:40,641 --> 00:53:44,763 find out that we can't -- all of the 2076 00:53:44,763 --> 00:53:45,941 the items they told us to put in 2077 00:53:45,941 --> 00:53:45,941 2078 00:53:45,941 --> 00:53:47,484 place, we can't actually do. 2079 00:53:47,484 --> 00:53:49,711 that is my only fear, wasting 2080 00:53:49,711 --> 00:53:51,586 time and money when maybe our 2081 00:53:51,586 --> 00:53:52,782 focus should be lower. That 2082 00:53:52,782 --> 00:53:55,057 that is my question when that 2083 00:53:55,057 --> 00:53:56,151 comes forward. 2084 00:53:56,151 --> 00:53:57,520 >> through you warden, I will 2085 00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,375 speak briefly to it. 2086 00:53:59,375 --> 00:54:00,899 our manager of planning and I 2087 00:54:00,899 --> 00:54:02,272 have had conversations already 2088 00:54:02,272 --> 00:54:02,272 in 2089 00:54:02,272 --> 00:54:03,362 in anticipation of the 2090 00:54:03,362 --> 00:54:04,191 discussion tonight. 2091 00:54:04,191 --> 00:54:05,834 and trying to prepare something 2092 00:54:05,834 --> 00:54:05,884 for the 2093 00:54:05,884 --> 00:54:08,064 for the next meeting of council. 2094 00:54:08,064 --> 00:54:08,064 2095 00:54:08,064 --> 00:54:10,136 and so to your point exactly, the 2096 00:54:10,136 --> 00:54:11,567 the preamble of that report will 2097 00:54:11,567 --> 00:54:11,567 2098 00:54:11,567 --> 00:54:14,787 talk about jurisdictional lanes 2099 00:54:14,787 --> 00:54:14,787 and 2100 00:54:14,787 --> 00:54:16,267 and who has what, in order to 2101 00:54:16,267 --> 00:54:18,691 get to a clear scope of work for 2102 00:54:18,691 --> 00:54:18,691 a 2103 00:54:18,691 --> 00:54:19,945 a potential study. 2104 00:54:19,945 --> 00:54:21,541 we have already thought of that 2105 00:54:21,541 --> 00:54:21,541 2106 00:54:21,541 --> 00:54:24,440 and stay tuned. 2107 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,278 >> councillor rogers? 2108 00:54:26,278 --> 00:54:28,156 >> thank you madam warden. 2109 00:54:28,156 --> 00:54:30,187 may be a small note through you, 2110 00:54:30,187 --> 00:54:30,187 2111 00:54:30,187 --> 00:54:31,862 since this got a notice of 2112 00:54:31,862 --> 00:54:34,336 motion out there, there have 2113 00:54:34,336 --> 00:54:35,904 been a few calls from a few different 2114 00:54:35,904 --> 00:54:36,845 different industries just over 2115 00:54:36,845 --> 00:54:39,214 the concern over data centres. 2116 00:54:39,214 --> 00:54:39,214 2117 00:54:39,214 --> 00:54:41,473 again, this is about the large 2118 00:54:41,473 --> 00:54:41,473 2119 00:54:41,473 --> 00:54:43,937 ai data centres where I've had 2120 00:54:43,937 --> 00:54:43,937 some 2121 00:54:43,937 --> 00:54:45,371 some industries reach out, 2122 00:54:45,371 --> 00:54:46,448 again, putting information out 2123 00:54:46,448 --> 00:54:46,448 there 2124 00:54:46,448 --> 00:54:47,649 there with people not really 2125 00:54:47,649 --> 00:54:49,045 understanding what this is 2126 00:54:49,045 --> 00:54:49,045 about. 2127 00:54:49,045 --> 00:54:50,724 so I have an industry that has 2128 00:54:50,724 --> 00:54:50,724 2129 00:54:50,724 --> 00:54:52,583 data centres on their footprint 2130 00:54:52,583 --> 00:54:52,583 2131 00:54:52,583 --> 00:54:54,800 and industrial parks, may be 2132 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,175 some are a room, maybe some are 2133 00:54:56,175 --> 00:54:57,524 the size of this room. 2134 00:54:57,524 --> 00:54:59,393 and they have a concern about 2135 00:54:59,393 --> 00:55:00,826 regulations moving forward. 2136 00:55:00,826 --> 00:55:03,254 so again, as we move forward and 2137 00:55:03,254 --> 00:55:05,565 go down this road, I think clear 2138 00:55:05,565 --> 00:55:06,532 communication as far as what we 2139 00:55:06,532 --> 00:55:06,532 2140 00:55:06,532 --> 00:55:07,945 are actually looking to target 2141 00:55:07,945 --> 00:55:07,945 2142 00:55:07,945 --> 00:55:10,630 and then clearing maybe some of that 2143 00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:11,639 that misinformation out there 2144 00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:13,481 with our preexisting industries 2145 00:55:13,481 --> 00:55:13,481 2146 00:55:13,481 --> 00:55:16,349 that exist, that have this type 2147 00:55:16,349 --> 00:55:16,349 of 2148 00:55:16,349 --> 00:55:17,772 of technology within their 2149 00:55:17,772 --> 00:55:17,772 footprints. That 2150 00:55:17,772 --> 00:55:20,679 that they are not on the radar, 2151 00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:20,679 as 2152 00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:22,137 as long as they are not that big. 2153 00:55:22,137 --> 00:55:22,137 as long as they are not that big. 2154 00:55:22,137 --> 00:55:23,732 I think that is just an important 2155 00:55:23,732 --> 00:55:25,615 important piece as we move 2156 00:55:25,615 --> 00:55:27,654 forward -- as we move forward, 2157 00:55:27,654 --> 00:55:27,654 2158 00:55:27,654 --> 00:55:28,856 thank you. 2159 00:55:28,856 --> 00:55:30,312 >> good point. 2160 00:55:30,312 --> 00:55:33,111 anyone else? 2161 00:55:33,111 --> 00:55:33,111 councillor? 2162 00:55:33,111 --> 00:55:35,992 >> thank you madam warden and 2163 00:55:35,992 --> 00:55:37,618 through you. 2164 00:55:37,618 --> 00:55:38,708 one of the important things 2165 00:55:38,708 --> 00:55:40,293 about living where we live -- 2166 00:55:40,293 --> 00:55:41,414 and I will give some shout outs 2167 00:55:41,414 --> 00:55:43,633 to some of the counties, your 2168 00:55:43,633 --> 00:55:43,633 wineries. We 2169 00:55:43,633 --> 00:55:46,081 we have a long weekend and I 2170 00:55:46,081 --> 00:55:47,956 brought home a retired copper from sterling 2171 00:55:47,956 --> 00:55:48,551 from sterling heights and we 2172 00:55:48,551 --> 00:55:49,996 went to these wineries and got 2173 00:55:49,996 --> 00:55:49,996 2174 00:55:49,996 --> 00:55:51,463 to talking about this because he 2175 00:55:51,463 --> 00:55:52,894 googled me to make fun of me. 2176 00:55:52,894 --> 00:55:54,774 this is what comes up when I 2177 00:55:54,774 --> 00:55:56,955 came up. 2178 00:55:56,955 --> 00:55:58,644 so this is sort of out to our 2179 00:55:58,644 --> 00:56:00,868 colleagues and administration. 2180 00:56:00,868 --> 00:56:00,868 2181 00:56:00,868 --> 00:56:02,719 there is about 100 2182 00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,718 municipalities around us in the 2183 00:56:04,718 --> 00:56:05,522 detroit area. 2184 00:56:05,522 --> 00:56:07,113 sterling heights is one of the 2185 00:56:07,113 --> 00:56:08,275 municipalities that has stopped 2186 00:56:08,275 --> 00:56:08,275 2187 00:56:08,275 --> 00:56:08,769 data centres. 2188 00:56:08,769 --> 00:56:10,610 and sterling heights is one of these 2189 00:56:10,610 --> 00:56:11,710 these municipalities where we look at 2190 00:56:11,710 --> 00:56:13,090 look at the city of windsor, there's 2191 00:56:13,090 --> 00:56:14,721 there's lots of industrial 2192 00:56:14,721 --> 00:56:15,606 space, where there's lots of big 2193 00:56:15,606 --> 00:56:18,433 buildings that are unoccupied. 2194 00:56:18,433 --> 00:56:18,433 2195 00:56:18,433 --> 00:56:20,220 and what happened in sterling heights 2196 00:56:20,220 --> 00:56:21,654 heights is like this. 2197 00:56:21,654 --> 00:56:23,493 they looked at the research from 2198 00:56:23,493 --> 00:56:23,493 2199 00:56:23,493 --> 00:56:25,613 atlantic, and I would hope we research 2200 00:56:25,613 --> 00:56:26,499 research across the board. 2201 00:56:26,499 --> 00:56:29,285 not that the rules be the same, 2202 00:56:29,285 --> 00:56:29,285 but 2203 00:56:29,285 --> 00:56:30,934 but that the impact be the same. 2204 00:56:30,934 --> 00:56:30,934 2205 00:56:30,934 --> 00:56:34,192 the 85-decibel generators, the 2206 00:56:34,192 --> 00:56:34,192 diesel 2207 00:56:34,192 --> 00:56:36,140 diesel generators to run 50 hours. 2208 00:56:36,140 --> 00:56:36,140 diesel generators to run 50 hours. 2209 00:56:36,140 --> 00:56:37,987 all of those types of things 2210 00:56:37,987 --> 00:56:39,420 that are not relevant 2211 00:56:39,420 --> 00:56:41,406 legislatively, the building is 2212 00:56:41,406 --> 00:56:41,406 the 2213 00:56:41,406 --> 00:56:43,250 the same, the heat is the same, 2214 00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:43,250 2215 00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:46,156 the water is the same and what 2216 00:56:46,156 --> 00:56:49,721 these other municipalities did 2217 00:56:49,721 --> 00:56:49,721 2218 00:56:49,721 --> 00:56:51,893 their research for, in the army 2219 00:56:51,893 --> 00:56:51,893 2220 00:56:51,893 --> 00:56:54,655 as an army guy, we called it 2221 00:56:54,655 --> 00:56:54,655 r&d. If 2222 00:56:54,655 --> 00:56:56,935 if you can make a phone call to 2223 00:56:56,935 --> 00:56:56,935 2224 00:56:56,935 --> 00:56:58,032 say sterling heights or some of 2225 00:56:58,032 --> 00:56:59,240 these other places that have 2226 00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:00,514 built the same thing, I'm hoping 2227 00:57:00,514 --> 00:57:02,702 they would share the packages. 2228 00:57:02,702 --> 00:57:02,702 2229 00:57:02,702 --> 00:57:03,817 this package can be shared with 2230 00:57:03,817 --> 00:57:06,914 them as well, again, I would 2231 00:57:06,914 --> 00:57:08,346 give up youtube if we could keep 2232 00:57:08,346 --> 00:57:08,346 the 2233 00:57:08,346 --> 00:57:09,824 the water in the great lakes. 2234 00:57:09,824 --> 00:57:11,267 it is very simple for me. 2235 00:57:11,267 --> 00:57:13,128 there are certain things that I 2236 00:57:13,128 --> 00:57:14,162 want, there are certain things 2237 00:57:14,162 --> 00:57:14,212 I 2238 00:57:14,212 --> 00:57:15,578 want for my children. 2239 00:57:15,578 --> 00:57:18,340 very simple. 2240 00:57:18,340 --> 00:57:21,662 I don't need more gifs of cats. 2241 00:57:21,662 --> 00:57:21,662 if 2242 00:57:21,662 --> 00:57:23,452 if this is going to say that we 2243 00:57:23,452 --> 00:57:23,452 2244 00:57:23,452 --> 00:57:25,569 can still go to the wineries in 2245 00:57:25,569 --> 00:57:25,569 our 2246 00:57:25,569 --> 00:57:26,954 our communities and still drink 2247 00:57:26,954 --> 00:57:26,954 2248 00:57:26,954 --> 00:57:29,333 the wine and play in the water 2249 00:57:29,333 --> 00:57:30,687 and not have to worry about this 2250 00:57:30,687 --> 00:57:30,687 2251 00:57:30,687 --> 00:57:32,163 stuff, let's get it done. But 2252 00:57:32,163 --> 00:57:33,657 but as my friend over here said, 2253 00:57:33,657 --> 00:57:33,657 2254 00:57:33,657 --> 00:57:35,545 let's do it right, let's do it 2255 00:57:35,545 --> 00:57:37,390 in a manner that we represent our 2256 00:57:37,390 --> 00:57:38,624 our municipalities. 2257 00:57:38,624 --> 00:57:40,133 like I said, I'm just asking that we 2258 00:57:40,133 --> 00:57:41,807 that we reach out to the u.s. 2259 00:57:41,807 --> 00:57:43,515 municipalities in the greater 2260 00:57:43,515 --> 00:57:44,598 detroit area that have put 2261 00:57:44,598 --> 00:57:48,413 moratoriums on data centres, 2262 00:57:48,413 --> 00:57:50,087 while I understand that the 2263 00:57:50,087 --> 00:57:51,130 legislation will not be the 2264 00:57:51,130 --> 00:57:54,164 same, the economic and 2265 00:57:54,164 --> 00:57:55,202 environmental impact studies 2266 00:57:55,202 --> 00:57:56,970 would be identical, thank you 2267 00:57:56,970 --> 00:57:58,972 madam warden. >> 2268 00:57:58,972 --> 00:58:01,214 >> anyone else? 2269 00:58:01,214 --> 00:58:02,737 I'm just going to add a few 2270 00:58:02,737 --> 00:58:03,874 things if you don't mind. 2271 00:58:03,874 --> 00:58:06,374 I am 100% in support of this. 2272 00:58:06,374 --> 00:58:08,026 I think it is good to be 2273 00:58:08,026 --> 00:58:12,006 proactive, rather than reactive. 2274 00:58:12,006 --> 00:58:12,006 2275 00:58:12,006 --> 00:58:14,479 that has always been my method 2276 00:58:14,479 --> 00:58:14,479 of 2277 00:58:14,479 --> 00:58:14,873 of operation. 2278 00:58:14,873 --> 00:58:16,741 but I do want to say something, 2279 00:58:16,741 --> 00:58:16,741 2280 00:58:16,741 --> 00:58:23,198 and it came up when councillor 2281 00:58:23,198 --> 00:58:23,198 2282 00:58:23,198 --> 00:58:25,027 prue mentioned the greatest data 2283 00:58:25,027 --> 00:58:25,027 countries 2284 00:58:25,027 --> 00:58:26,663 countries are china and the u.s. 2285 00:58:26,663 --> 00:58:26,663 2286 00:58:26,663 --> 00:58:29,531 and that makes me think I don't 2287 00:58:29,531 --> 00:58:32,811 want to rely on data that is 2288 00:58:32,811 --> 00:58:36,207 controlled by the united states 2289 00:58:36,207 --> 00:58:36,207 , by 2290 00:58:36,207 --> 00:58:39,694 by the country of china. 2291 00:58:39,694 --> 00:58:41,510 I think we were realistically, 2292 00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:41,510 2293 00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:43,536 at some point in time, somewhere 2294 00:58:43,536 --> 00:58:43,536 2295 00:58:43,536 --> 00:58:45,958 in canada, have more than one of 2296 00:58:45,958 --> 00:58:46,952 these data centres. 2297 00:58:46,952 --> 00:58:48,550 I don't want them here, I can 2298 00:58:48,550 --> 00:58:50,331 tell you that. 2299 00:58:50,331 --> 00:58:52,651 but I think that realistically, 2300 00:58:52,651 --> 00:58:52,651 we 2301 00:58:52,651 --> 00:58:53,769 we have to realize that if we want 2302 00:58:53,769 --> 00:58:55,356 want to be independent from 2303 00:58:55,356 --> 00:58:56,992 those countries, that they don't 2304 00:58:56,992 --> 00:58:56,992 2305 00:58:56,992 --> 00:59:00,425 have influence over our data and 2306 00:59:00,425 --> 00:59:00,425 our 2307 00:59:00,425 --> 00:59:03,702 our information at some point in 2308 00:59:03,702 --> 00:59:03,702 2309 00:59:03,702 --> 00:59:03,702 time. 2310 00:59:03,702 --> 00:59:07,360 somewhere, somehow, in this 2311 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,447 country, someone will have to 2312 00:59:08,447 --> 00:59:09,984 support a data center. 2313 00:59:09,984 --> 00:59:13,188 I am more afraid of that than I 2314 00:59:13,188 --> 00:59:14,541 am of the other things. 2315 00:59:14,541 --> 00:59:16,705 again, I don't want them here, 2316 00:59:16,705 --> 00:59:16,755 I 2317 00:59:16,755 --> 00:59:19,085 don't want them in the province 2318 00:59:19,085 --> 00:59:19,085 of 2319 00:59:19,085 --> 00:59:19,794 of ontario, unless it's really 2320 00:59:19,794 --> 00:59:22,032 far north where no people live. 2321 00:59:22,032 --> 00:59:22,032 2322 00:59:22,032 --> 00:59:23,895 but I think that realistically, 2323 00:59:23,895 --> 00:59:23,895 we 2324 00:59:23,895 --> 00:59:25,975 we have to realize that if we want 2325 00:59:25,975 --> 00:59:27,436 want to be independent, 2326 00:59:27,436 --> 00:59:30,008 sovereignly independent, 2327 00:59:30,008 --> 00:59:32,466 somewhere, somehow, there will 2328 00:59:32,466 --> 00:59:32,466 2329 00:59:32,466 --> 00:59:32,466 be. 2330 00:59:32,466 --> 00:59:35,348 and ai data center within the 2331 00:59:35,348 --> 00:59:37,151 borders of this country. 2332 00:59:37,151 --> 00:59:39,450 and we will probably, at some point in 2333 00:59:39,450 --> 00:59:41,051 point in time, want that 2334 00:59:41,051 --> 00:59:41,051 independence. 2335 00:59:41,051 --> 00:59:45,684 again, just putting that realistic 2336 00:59:45,684 --> 00:59:46,619 realistic angle on it. 2337 00:59:46,619 --> 00:59:48,271 I am in support of it, I don't 2338 00:59:48,271 --> 00:59:48,271 2339 00:59:48,271 --> 00:59:50,918 want them in my municipality, I don't 2340 00:59:50,918 --> 00:59:54,569 don't want them in our region. 2341 00:59:54,569 --> 00:59:54,569 2342 00:59:54,569 --> 00:59:56,632 but just a cautionary note that 2343 00:59:56,632 --> 00:59:56,632 2344 00:59:56,632 --> 00:59:59,072 at some point in time, someone, 2345 00:59:59,072 --> 00:59:59,072 somewhere 2346 00:59:59,072 --> 01:00:00,899 somewhere will be dealing with 2347 01:00:00,899 --> 01:00:00,899 2348 01:00:00,899 --> 01:00:00,899 this. 2349 01:00:00,899 --> 01:00:05,600 so -- gary, sorry. 2350 01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,390 councillor mcnamara, please go 2351 01:00:07,390 --> 01:00:07,390 2352 01:00:07,390 --> 01:00:07,390 ahead. 2353 01:00:07,390 --> 01:00:10,859 >> thank you very much. 2354 01:00:10,859 --> 01:00:13,167 warden, you pretty much summed 2355 01:00:13,167 --> 01:00:13,167 up 2356 01:00:13,167 --> 01:00:14,612 up what I was going to say at 2357 01:00:14,612 --> 01:00:16,963 this stage. 2358 01:00:16,963 --> 01:00:19,218 I do support, obviously the 2359 01:00:19,218 --> 01:00:24,509 motion, it is a good point to be 2360 01:00:24,509 --> 01:00:24,509 2361 01:00:24,509 --> 01:00:26,431 cautious and so to have some 2362 01:00:26,431 --> 01:00:29,303 uniformity in terms of all of the 2363 01:00:29,303 --> 01:00:30,426 the communities and so forth. 2364 01:00:30,426 --> 01:00:33,706 but in the same token, the 2365 01:00:33,706 --> 01:00:35,622 information, if we are prepared 2366 01:00:35,622 --> 01:00:35,622 2367 01:00:35,622 --> 01:00:38,947 to make sure that anything that 2368 01:00:38,947 --> 01:00:38,947 goes 2369 01:00:38,947 --> 01:00:41,554 goes into the cloud and so forth 2370 01:00:41,554 --> 01:00:41,554 is 2371 01:00:41,554 --> 01:00:43,038 is supported by china or the 2372 01:00:43,038 --> 01:00:45,889 united states, then that is going 2373 01:00:45,889 --> 01:00:47,195 going to be an issue for us to 2374 01:00:47,195 --> 01:00:47,195 2375 01:00:47,195 --> 01:00:50,388 deal with in the future. 2376 01:00:50,388 --> 01:00:52,293 I firmly believe that a lot of 2377 01:00:52,293 --> 01:00:53,705 the industry itself within it has 2378 01:00:53,705 --> 01:00:57,204 has not done a really good job 2379 01:00:57,204 --> 01:00:57,204 2380 01:00:57,204 --> 01:00:59,145 in really putting proper 2381 01:00:59,145 --> 01:01:02,227 perspective into it. 2382 01:01:02,227 --> 01:01:04,003 and I do believe that there has 2383 01:01:04,003 --> 01:01:04,003 2384 01:01:04,003 --> 01:01:10,886 to be safeguards in how we do things 2385 01:01:10,886 --> 01:01:13,546 things and to make sure that we 2386 01:01:13,546 --> 01:01:13,546 2387 01:01:13,546 --> 01:01:15,180 protect our water and we 2388 01:01:15,180 --> 01:01:17,816 certainly protect our quality of 2389 01:01:17,816 --> 01:01:21,290 life, people that are going to 2390 01:01:21,290 --> 01:01:21,290 2391 01:01:21,290 --> 01:01:23,507 be last to live in proximity to 2392 01:01:23,507 --> 01:01:23,507 2393 01:01:23,507 --> 01:01:25,377 these areas and so forth. 2394 01:01:25,377 --> 01:01:27,133 I think it is a good thing to 2395 01:01:27,133 --> 01:01:29,333 take two steps back, slow down, 2396 01:01:29,333 --> 01:01:29,333 2397 01:01:29,333 --> 01:01:31,811 get the information so that we 2398 01:01:31,811 --> 01:01:36,813 can make an informed decision including 2399 01:01:36,813 --> 01:01:39,114 including where and when and how 2400 01:01:39,114 --> 01:01:42,299 these data centres are to be 2401 01:01:42,299 --> 01:01:46,097 built or utilized, wherever. 2402 01:01:46,097 --> 01:01:49,141 I think it is a good point. 2403 01:01:49,141 --> 01:01:53,345 I want to commend the deputy mayor 2404 01:01:53,345 --> 01:01:54,428 mayor for bringing this motion 2405 01:01:54,428 --> 01:01:55,824 forward and so forth. 2406 01:01:55,824 --> 01:01:59,823 because we need to really be 2407 01:01:59,823 --> 01:02:02,005 assured of what is going to transpire 2408 01:02:02,005 --> 01:02:04,087 transpire is going to serve us in 2409 01:02:04,087 --> 01:02:05,862 in the right way. 2410 01:02:05,862 --> 01:02:08,570 thank you madam warden. >> 2411 01:02:08,570 --> 01:02:09,909 >> thank you councillor. 2412 01:02:09,909 --> 01:02:11,757 okay then, we won't have you read 2413 01:02:11,757 --> 01:02:13,567 read the motion again and with 2414 01:02:13,567 --> 01:02:13,567 2415 01:02:13,567 --> 01:02:15,270 that, I will call the question 2416 01:02:15,270 --> 01:02:16,753 and ask you to vote 2417 01:02:16,753 --> 01:02:19,913 electronically please. 2418 01:02:19,913 --> 01:02:28,563 councillor mcnamara, by show of 2419 01:02:28,563 --> 01:02:30,824 of hands, all in favour? 2420 01:02:30,824 --> 01:02:32,252 thank you. 2421 01:02:32,252 --> 01:02:36,022 I will note your vote. 2422 01:02:36,022 --> 01:02:38,249 and that is carried unanimously, 2423 01:02:38,249 --> 01:02:38,249 2424 01:02:38,249 --> 01:02:41,332 thank you very much. 2425 01:02:41,332 --> 01:02:41,332 [applause] 2426 01:02:41,332 --> 01:02:48,697 so next up, we have the town of 2427 01:02:48,697 --> 01:02:54,016 amherstburg, they sent a request 2428 01:02:54,016 --> 01:02:54,016 2429 01:02:54,016 --> 01:02:55,888 regarding planning studies for 2430 01:02:55,888 --> 01:02:58,024 artificial intelligence data 2431 01:02:58,024 --> 01:02:58,024 centres. So 2432 01:02:58,024 --> 01:03:01,236 so would a member of amherstburg 2433 01:03:01,236 --> 01:03:01,236 2434 01:03:01,236 --> 01:03:04,098 like to comment, looking to you, 2435 01:03:04,098 --> 01:03:04,098 councillor 2436 01:03:04,098 --> 01:03:05,966 councillor prue. >> 2437 01:03:05,966 --> 01:03:07,005 >> thank you so much. 2438 01:03:07,005 --> 01:03:10,692 this came up on the fly, if I 2439 01:03:10,692 --> 01:03:12,735 can put it that way, at our last 2440 01:03:12,735 --> 01:03:12,735 2441 01:03:12,735 --> 01:03:15,137 council meeting. 2442 01:03:15,137 --> 01:03:18,520 the councillor who occasionally 2443 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:18,520 2444 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,564 sits around this table, came up 2445 01:03:20,564 --> 01:03:20,564 2446 01:03:20,564 --> 01:03:21,456 with two motions. 2447 01:03:21,456 --> 01:03:23,908 one was for us to do the study 2448 01:03:23,908 --> 01:03:23,908 2449 01:03:23,908 --> 01:03:25,346 ourselves and the other motion 2450 01:03:25,346 --> 01:03:25,346 2451 01:03:25,346 --> 01:03:28,517 was to put it to the county council 2452 01:03:28,517 --> 01:03:31,203 council because she was aware of 2453 01:03:31,203 --> 01:03:33,628 councillor de jong's notice of 2454 01:03:33,628 --> 01:03:33,628 motion. 2455 01:03:33,628 --> 01:03:37,242 and the council assisted her in 2456 01:03:37,242 --> 01:03:38,657 determining that the best option 2457 01:03:38,657 --> 01:03:38,657 2458 01:03:38,657 --> 01:03:41,576 was to send it to the county. 2459 01:03:41,576 --> 01:03:43,743 in so doing, there was not a lot 2460 01:03:43,743 --> 01:03:43,743 of 2461 01:03:43,743 --> 01:03:45,199 of research done and it became 2462 01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:47,091 apparent after we had sent it 2463 01:03:47,091 --> 01:03:48,435 that the county does not have 2464 01:03:48,435 --> 01:03:51,884 the authority to do a moratorium 2465 01:03:51,884 --> 01:03:51,884  moratorium. 2466 01:03:51,884 --> 01:03:51,884  moratorium. 2467 01:03:51,884 --> 01:03:55,962 so all I can suggest is that following 2468 01:03:55,962 --> 01:03:56,567 following whatever sage advice 2469 01:03:56,567 --> 01:03:58,381 we are going to get from the 2470 01:03:58,381 --> 01:04:03,198 planner, that we receive it. >> 2471 01:04:03,198 --> 01:04:03,433 >> thank you councillor. 2472 01:04:03,433 --> 01:04:07,439 so with that, rebecca, this is 2473 01:04:07,439 --> 01:04:07,439 your 2474 01:04:07,439 --> 01:04:08,078 your introduction. 2475 01:04:08,078 --> 01:04:11,731 if you don't mind speaking to the 2476 01:04:11,731 --> 01:04:14,100 the restrictions, the limits, 2477 01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:19,511 give us some advice on this very 2478 01:04:19,511 --> 01:04:19,511 2479 01:04:19,511 --> 01:04:21,738 volatile issue, controversial, 2480 01:04:21,738 --> 01:04:21,738 2481 01:04:21,738 --> 01:04:25,005 maybe not volatile but certainly 2482 01:04:25,005 --> 01:04:25,055 of interest 2483 01:04:25,055 --> 01:04:25,785 of interest to so many people 2484 01:04:25,785 --> 01:04:27,074 and we would like to deal with 2485 01:04:27,074 --> 01:04:27,074 it 2486 01:04:27,074 --> 01:04:28,512 it in a proactive manner before 2487 01:04:28,512 --> 01:04:28,512 it 2488 01:04:28,512 --> 01:04:31,509 it is on our doorstep. 2489 01:04:31,509 --> 01:04:33,157 >> thank you warden. 2490 01:04:33,157 --> 01:04:36,600 can you hear me okay? 2491 01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,911 so on the question of putting a 2492 01:04:40,911 --> 01:04:42,678 moratorium, the methods to do 2493 01:04:42,678 --> 01:04:44,373 that do not rest with the 2494 01:04:44,373 --> 01:04:44,373 county. 2495 01:04:44,373 --> 01:04:47,001 that is not within our 2496 01:04:47,001 --> 01:04:47,001 jurisdiction. 2497 01:04:47,001 --> 01:04:49,777 if the local municipalities see 2498 01:04:49,777 --> 01:04:49,777 2499 01:04:49,777 --> 01:04:53,104 fit, the method under section 38 of 2500 01:04:53,104 --> 01:04:54,492 of the planning act would mean 2501 01:04:54,492 --> 01:04:54,492 2502 01:04:54,492 --> 01:04:56,352 interim control bylaw and that would 2503 01:04:56,352 --> 01:04:58,183 would have to be considered, at 2504 01:04:58,183 --> 01:05:00,521 the local level. 2505 01:05:00,521 --> 01:05:02,784 the purpose of, as councillor 2506 01:05:02,784 --> 01:05:05,228 de jong said, is to study 2507 01:05:05,228 --> 01:05:05,228 something. 2508 01:05:05,228 --> 01:05:07,466 so you're putting in place an 2509 01:05:07,466 --> 01:05:09,218 interim control bylaw for one 2510 01:05:09,218 --> 01:05:13,154 year, for purposes of studying 2511 01:05:13,154 --> 01:05:13,204 a 2512 01:05:13,204 --> 01:05:13,204 purpose. 2513 01:05:13,204 --> 01:05:15,686 it could then be extended for an 2514 01:05:15,686 --> 01:05:17,250 additional year, but there are 2515 01:05:17,250 --> 01:05:18,700 expectations of outcomes. 2516 01:05:18,700 --> 01:05:20,681 and that was discussed this 2517 01:05:20,681 --> 01:05:20,681 evening. 2518 01:05:20,681 --> 01:05:24,644 so to the amherstburg 2519 01:05:24,644 --> 01:05:27,948 resolution, the county could 2520 01:05:27,948 --> 01:05:29,365 definitely take on project 2521 01:05:29,365 --> 01:05:31,503 management of the study. 2522 01:05:31,503 --> 01:05:33,361 this is quite common that we do 2523 01:05:33,361 --> 01:05:33,361 2524 01:05:33,361 --> 01:05:35,503 things like this, we do this with the 2525 01:05:35,503 --> 01:05:37,696 with the agricultural lot study 2526 01:05:37,696 --> 01:05:41,653 several years ago in 2015. 2527 01:05:41,653 --> 01:05:44,430 with outcomes delivered for each 2528 01:05:44,430 --> 01:05:44,430 local 2529 01:05:44,430 --> 01:05:46,461 local municipality to put in 2530 01:05:46,461 --> 01:05:46,461 place. 2531 01:05:46,461 --> 01:05:50,094 we have done this for land based 2532 01:05:50,094 --> 01:05:50,094 2533 01:05:50,094 --> 01:05:51,550 wind turbines. 2534 01:05:51,550 --> 01:05:53,775 it resulted in a county official 2535 01:05:53,775 --> 01:05:53,775 2536 01:05:53,775 --> 01:05:56,248 plan amendment, in this case the 2537 01:05:56,248 --> 01:05:56,248 project 2538 01:05:56,248 --> 01:05:58,468 project management of the study 2539 01:05:58,468 --> 01:05:58,468 would 2540 01:05:58,468 --> 01:06:00,355 would result in potentially a 2541 01:06:00,355 --> 01:06:02,086 county official plan amendment, 2542 01:06:02,086 --> 01:06:02,086 2543 01:06:02,086 --> 01:06:03,597 local official planned 2544 01:06:03,597 --> 01:06:06,386 amendments, zoning, new 2545 01:06:06,386 --> 01:06:08,549 categorization with data 2546 01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:10,033 centres, it could be new 2547 01:06:10,033 --> 01:06:12,413 definitions in the zoning bylaw, 2548 01:06:12,413 --> 01:06:12,413 2549 01:06:12,413 --> 01:06:15,241 site plan control considerations 2550 01:06:15,241 --> 01:06:15,241 2551 01:06:15,241 --> 01:06:17,514 as well as councillor prue 2552 01:06:17,514 --> 01:06:19,946 brought up, a large part of this 2553 01:06:19,946 --> 01:06:19,946 2554 01:06:19,946 --> 01:06:21,529 involves other jurisdictions. 2555 01:06:21,529 --> 01:06:22,824 the federal government and the 2556 01:06:22,824 --> 01:06:24,622 provincial government. 2557 01:06:24,622 --> 01:06:27,890 so another piece of this could 2558 01:06:27,890 --> 01:06:27,890 be 2559 01:06:27,890 --> 01:06:30,447 be understanding advocacy and 2560 01:06:30,447 --> 01:06:32,276 needs up to the provincial and 2561 01:06:32,276 --> 01:06:32,276 federal 2562 01:06:32,276 --> 01:06:33,310 federal government and outcomes 2563 01:06:33,310 --> 01:06:33,310 2564 01:06:33,310 --> 01:06:36,545 that we learn as part of this 2565 01:06:36,545 --> 01:06:36,545 study. 2566 01:06:36,545 --> 01:06:43,175 as well, I'm aware that this has 2567 01:06:43,175 --> 01:06:43,175 2568 01:06:43,175 --> 01:06:44,794 already been addressed in 2569 01:06:44,794 --> 01:06:46,250 hamilton, they are currently 2570 01:06:46,250 --> 01:06:47,704 studying it. 2571 01:06:47,704 --> 01:06:49,159 so I think we could learn a lot 2572 01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:51,365 to what is already taking place 2573 01:06:51,365 --> 01:06:51,365 2574 01:06:51,365 --> 01:06:52,348 in hamilton. 2575 01:06:52,348 --> 01:06:54,438 we will be keeping an eye on 2576 01:06:54,438 --> 01:06:54,438 that. 2577 01:06:54,438 --> 01:06:57,672 I intend to contact hamilton 2578 01:06:57,672 --> 01:06:58,915 planning department and learn 2579 01:06:58,915 --> 01:07:02,739 from what they are already doing 2580 01:07:02,739 --> 01:07:02,739  doing. 2581 01:07:02,739 --> 01:07:02,739  doing. 2582 01:07:02,739 --> 01:07:05,968 that is all I have, unless there 2583 01:07:05,968 --> 01:07:05,968 is 2584 01:07:05,968 --> 01:07:07,820 is any other questions. >> I 2585 01:07:07,820 --> 01:07:10,003 >> I think we had some questions 2586 01:07:10,003 --> 01:07:10,003 2587 01:07:10,003 --> 01:07:12,592 from councillor bondi. 2588 01:07:12,592 --> 01:07:14,623 councillor, did you want to pose 2589 01:07:14,623 --> 01:07:14,623 2590 01:07:14,623 --> 01:07:15,593 those again? 2591 01:07:15,593 --> 01:07:17,891 >> thank you warden macdonald. 2592 01:07:17,891 --> 01:07:17,891 2593 01:07:17,891 --> 01:07:20,086 I believe the question was 2594 01:07:20,086 --> 01:07:21,360 answered, saying that the bylaw 2595 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:21,360 needs 2596 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,225 needs to come at the local 2597 01:07:23,225 --> 01:07:25,093 level, which I have to talk to 2598 01:07:25,093 --> 01:07:25,093 at 2599 01:07:25,093 --> 01:07:26,530 at the director at the local level. 2600 01:07:26,530 --> 01:07:26,530 at the director at the local level. 2601 01:07:26,530 --> 01:07:28,298 I think one of the issues is 2602 01:07:28,298 --> 01:07:29,669 it's not something that is 2603 01:07:29,669 --> 01:07:31,105 defined yet. 2604 01:07:31,105 --> 01:07:33,013 is that true? 2605 01:07:33,013 --> 01:07:34,306 or what advice would you provide 2606 01:07:34,306 --> 01:07:34,306 2607 01:07:34,306 --> 01:07:35,995 to local municipalities that want to 2608 01:07:35,995 --> 01:07:37,429 want to do an interim control 2609 01:07:37,429 --> 01:07:40,819 bylaw until the county study is 2610 01:07:40,819 --> 01:07:40,819 2611 01:07:40,819 --> 01:07:41,675 done. >> to 2612 01:07:41,675 --> 01:07:44,000 >> to you warden, particularly 2613 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:44,000 2614 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,643 the advice is first of all, we 2615 01:07:47,643 --> 01:07:49,030 need a commitment that we are 2616 01:07:49,030 --> 01:07:51,649 going to undertake a study. 2617 01:07:51,649 --> 01:07:54,116 so we need to wait and confirm, 2618 01:07:54,116 --> 01:07:54,116 although 2619 01:07:54,116 --> 01:07:55,930 although this is coming out this 2620 01:07:55,930 --> 01:07:55,930 2621 01:07:55,930 --> 01:07:55,930 evening. 2622 01:07:55,930 --> 01:07:58,537 so we need confirmation 2623 01:07:58,537 --> 01:08:00,549 following the report back from 2624 01:08:00,549 --> 01:08:00,549 county 2625 01:08:00,549 --> 01:08:02,437 county administration and the direction 2626 01:08:02,437 --> 01:08:03,421 direction that we are going to 2627 01:08:03,421 --> 01:08:03,421 2628 01:08:03,421 --> 01:08:06,921 see with the study. 2629 01:08:06,921 --> 01:08:09,862 to your question as well, I did 2630 01:08:09,862 --> 01:08:09,862 write 2631 01:08:09,862 --> 01:08:12,881 write it down, you asked if you 2632 01:08:12,881 --> 01:08:12,881 2633 01:08:12,881 --> 01:08:13,620 were exposed. 2634 01:08:13,620 --> 01:08:16,368 we have taken a preliminary skin 2635 01:08:16,368 --> 01:08:16,368 of 2636 01:08:16,368 --> 01:08:18,255 of your zoning bylaws, which 2637 01:08:18,255 --> 01:08:20,048 of course permits the land use 2638 01:08:20,048 --> 01:08:20,048 2639 01:08:20,048 --> 01:08:23,961 of a data center and we can 2640 01:08:23,961 --> 01:08:26,134 confirm as well, a data center 2641 01:08:26,134 --> 01:08:26,134 2642 01:08:26,134 --> 01:08:31,076 is defined in the lakeshore 2643 01:08:31,076 --> 01:08:34,488 bylaws in limited zones. 2644 01:08:34,488 --> 01:08:36,204 and it's brought to 2645 01:08:36,204 --> 01:08:37,985 interpretation because it is not 2646 01:08:37,985 --> 01:08:37,985 2647 01:08:37,985 --> 01:08:38,753 yet defined. So 2648 01:08:38,753 --> 01:08:42,016 so it could be a permitted use, 2649 01:08:42,016 --> 01:08:42,016 because 2650 01:08:42,016 --> 01:08:43,488 because there is unclear 2651 01:08:43,488 --> 01:08:43,488 definitions. 2652 01:08:43,488 --> 01:08:47,059 so is there an exposure 2653 01:08:47,059 --> 01:08:49,081 presently, yes there is. 2654 01:08:49,081 --> 01:08:53,501 but should county council direct 2655 01:08:53,501 --> 01:08:53,501 2656 01:08:53,501 --> 01:08:56,147 this work. 2657 01:08:56,147 --> 01:08:58,189 and we can address the external 2658 01:08:58,189 --> 01:08:59,577 consulting support to undertake 2659 01:08:59,577 --> 01:08:59,577 2660 01:08:59,577 --> 01:09:01,371 this work. 2661 01:09:01,371 --> 01:09:03,499 to assist county planning with 2662 01:09:03,499 --> 01:09:05,668 expertise and planning policy, 2663 01:09:05,668 --> 01:09:05,668 2664 01:09:05,668 --> 01:09:07,064 electrical and environmental 2665 01:09:07,064 --> 01:09:09,234 engineering potentially. 2666 01:09:09,234 --> 01:09:11,126 >> further? >> 2667 01:09:11,126 --> 01:09:12,576 >> just to follow up, perhaps to 2668 01:09:12,576 --> 01:09:13,590 wear a cao. 2669 01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:15,355 right now county council has approved 2670 01:09:15,355 --> 01:09:16,198 approved direction to 2671 01:09:16,198 --> 01:09:17,863 administration to come back with 2672 01:09:17,863 --> 01:09:19,263 information on a study. What 2673 01:09:19,263 --> 01:09:21,894 what is our timeline, how far will 2674 01:09:21,894 --> 01:09:22,953 will we be exposed? 2675 01:09:22,953 --> 01:09:24,378 because some of us can plan motions 2676 01:09:24,378 --> 01:09:25,849 motions at our locals to tee up to 2677 01:09:25,849 --> 01:09:27,459 to when that report is coming up. 2678 01:09:27,459 --> 01:09:27,459 to when that report is coming up. 2679 01:09:27,459 --> 01:09:29,082 so that we are exposing the least 2680 01:09:29,082 --> 01:09:30,518 least amount of time. 2681 01:09:30,518 --> 01:09:32,256 >> through you warden, as I 2682 01:09:32,256 --> 01:09:33,992 mentioned earlier, 2683 01:09:33,992 --> 01:09:35,185 administratively, when we 2684 01:09:35,185 --> 01:09:36,312 learned of the notice of motion 2685 01:09:36,312 --> 01:09:36,362 that was 2686 01:09:36,362 --> 01:09:37,311 that was going to be debated 2687 01:09:37,311 --> 01:09:39,764 this evening, the wheels on the 2688 01:09:39,764 --> 01:09:41,023 administrative side started to 2689 01:09:41,023 --> 01:09:41,073 turn already 2690 01:09:41,073 --> 01:09:41,687 turn already and we were working 2691 01:09:41,687 --> 01:09:43,062 on that draft report. 2692 01:09:43,062 --> 01:09:46,419 so rebecca and I have a goal of the 2693 01:09:46,419 --> 01:09:47,358 the september second meeting to 2694 01:09:47,358 --> 01:09:47,358 2695 01:09:47,358 --> 01:09:49,612 get that preliminary document to 2696 01:09:49,612 --> 01:09:49,612 you. 2697 01:09:49,612 --> 01:09:52,500 if, for some reason, our 2698 01:09:52,500 --> 01:09:53,788 timeline doesn't hold to the 2699 01:09:53,788 --> 01:09:55,032 september second, I will let 2700 01:09:55,032 --> 01:09:56,425 council know by email. 2701 01:09:56,425 --> 01:09:57,884 but our goal at this point, 2702 01:09:57,884 --> 01:09:59,287 based on the work already 2703 01:09:59,287 --> 01:10:01,008 underway, is to get a report to 2704 01:10:01,008 --> 01:10:01,008 county 2705 01:10:01,008 --> 01:10:02,154 county council for the 2706 01:10:02,154 --> 01:10:03,263 september second meeting. 2707 01:10:03,263 --> 01:10:06,774 so our next meeting with council 2708 01:10:06,774 --> 01:10:06,774  council. 2709 01:10:06,774 --> 01:10:06,774  council. 2710 01:10:06,774 --> 01:10:10,675 >> anyone else? 2711 01:10:10,675 --> 01:10:12,949 sorry councillor deyong. >> 2712 01:10:12,949 --> 01:10:13,510 >> sorry warden. 2713 01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:15,197 I'm just hoping maybe you can 2714 01:10:15,197 --> 01:10:16,809 clarify, rebecca, are the local 2715 01:10:16,809 --> 01:10:19,041 municipalities able to rely on 2716 01:10:19,041 --> 01:10:21,331 the county's study as part of 2717 01:10:21,331 --> 01:10:22,316 their interim control bylaw that 2718 01:10:22,316 --> 01:10:24,430 is allowed? 2719 01:10:24,430 --> 01:10:26,296 >> yes, that would be 2720 01:10:26,296 --> 01:10:26,296 considered. 2721 01:10:26,296 --> 01:10:28,753 we are studying it jointly. 2722 01:10:28,753 --> 01:10:30,193 I have already sent an email to 2723 01:10:30,193 --> 01:10:32,978 all of the municipal planners, 2724 01:10:32,978 --> 01:10:32,978 told 2725 01:10:32,978 --> 01:10:34,433 told them we are looking at 2726 01:10:34,433 --> 01:10:35,441 their zoning bylaws. 2727 01:10:35,441 --> 01:10:37,261 I advise them of the notice of 2728 01:10:37,261 --> 01:10:39,168 motion this evening and that 2729 01:10:39,168 --> 01:10:40,329 they would potentially be 2730 01:10:40,329 --> 01:10:41,958 invited to participate as part 2731 01:10:41,958 --> 01:10:42,008 of a 2732 01:10:42,008 --> 01:10:43,712 of a technical planning advisory 2733 01:10:43,712 --> 01:10:43,712 2734 01:10:43,712 --> 01:10:43,712 committee. 2735 01:10:43,712 --> 01:10:47,735 >> maybe then as part of this 2736 01:10:47,735 --> 01:10:49,175 report, we can include that step 2737 01:10:49,175 --> 01:10:49,175 2738 01:10:49,175 --> 01:10:50,593 for local municipalities that this 2739 01:10:50,593 --> 01:10:53,233 this is an option that they can 2740 01:10:53,233 --> 01:10:53,233 put 2741 01:10:53,233 --> 01:10:54,254 put an interim control bylaw 2742 01:10:54,254 --> 01:10:57,837 using the county's study on the 2743 01:10:57,837 --> 01:10:57,837 2744 01:10:57,837 --> 01:10:59,541 issue as their required study of 2745 01:10:59,541 --> 01:11:01,659 the topic. 2746 01:11:01,659 --> 01:11:04,519 thank you. 2747 01:11:04,519 --> 01:11:07,694 >> duly noted, okay, thank you. 2748 01:11:07,694 --> 01:11:07,694 2749 01:11:07,694 --> 01:11:10,547 anyone else? 2750 01:11:10,547 --> 01:11:13,929 then I'm going to suggest that 2751 01:11:13,929 --> 01:11:13,929 2752 01:11:13,929 --> 01:11:16,805 perhaps the resolution should be 2753 01:11:16,805 --> 01:11:16,805 -- 2754 01:11:16,805 --> 01:11:18,289 -- or the resolution or 2755 01:11:18,289 --> 01:11:19,473 recommendation that the town of 2756 01:11:19,473 --> 01:11:21,060 amherstburg regarding ai 2757 01:11:21,060 --> 01:11:24,731 dentistas be received and filed. 2758 01:11:24,731 --> 01:11:24,731 2759 01:11:24,731 --> 01:11:26,502 moved by councillor gibb and 2760 01:11:26,502 --> 01:11:28,328 seconded by councillor prue. 2761 01:11:28,328 --> 01:11:29,792 any further discussion? 2762 01:11:29,792 --> 01:11:31,267 then I will ask you to vote 2763 01:11:31,267 --> 01:11:34,217 electronically please. 2764 01:11:34,217 --> 01:11:43,454 that is a thumbs up, councillor 2765 01:11:43,454 --> 01:11:46,600 mcnamara, thank you. 2766 01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,499 and that is carried unanimously. 2767 01:11:49,499 --> 01:11:49,499 2768 01:11:49,499 --> 01:11:54,439 so thank you all. 2769 01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,067 mr. Ray, councillor deyong and 2770 01:11:58,067 --> 01:11:58,067 2771 01:11:58,067 --> 01:11:59,271 our planner. 2772 01:11:59,271 --> 01:11:59,271 [applause] 2773 01:11:59,271 --> 01:12:02,104 thank you everyone, thank you 2774 01:12:02,104 --> 01:12:03,917 for attending. 2775 01:12:03,917 --> 01:12:05,794 and now, council will resume the 2776 01:12:05,794 --> 01:12:07,389 regular order of business with 2777 01:12:07,389 --> 01:12:07,389 2778 01:12:07,389 --> 01:12:09,057 item ten. 2779 01:12:09,057 --> 01:12:12,492 item ten is communications. 2780 01:12:12,492 --> 01:12:14,699 there are 12 pieces of correspondence 2781 01:12:14,699 --> 01:12:15,503 correspondence listed on the 2782 01:12:15,503 --> 01:12:17,504 agenda this evening. 2783 01:12:17,504 --> 01:12:19,705 one of which council has already 2784 01:12:19,705 --> 01:12:19,705 received. 2785 01:12:19,705 --> 01:12:19,705 received. 2786 01:12:19,705 --> 01:12:21,563 are there any other items that 2787 01:12:21,563 --> 01:12:21,613 council would 2788 01:12:21,613 --> 01:12:23,639 council would like to discuss? 2789 01:12:23,639 --> 01:12:23,639 2790 01:12:23,639 --> 01:12:24,819 councillor bondi? 2791 01:12:24,819 --> 01:12:26,262 >> thank you warden macdonald. 2792 01:12:26,262 --> 01:12:26,262 2793 01:12:26,262 --> 01:12:29,030 I understand that we were 2794 01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:32,050 invited to the shovel 2795 01:12:32,050 --> 01:12:33,341 groundbreaking of the hospital and 2796 01:12:33,341 --> 01:12:34,473 and that has been something we 2797 01:12:34,473 --> 01:12:36,630 have been following, trying to 2798 01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:38,017 invite the hospital committee 2799 01:12:38,017 --> 01:12:39,142 here, which maybe doesn't need 2800 01:12:39,142 --> 01:12:40,562 to happen any time soon, since 2801 01:12:40,562 --> 01:12:43,184 we put the shovel in the ground. 2802 01:12:43,184 --> 01:12:43,184 2803 01:12:43,184 --> 01:12:44,831 but I think one thing that our 2804 01:12:44,831 --> 01:12:44,831 local 2805 01:12:44,831 --> 01:12:45,756 local taxpayers are going to 2806 01:12:45,756 --> 01:12:48,081 want to know is whether our 2807 01:12:48,081 --> 01:12:51,770 commitment is changing from 100 million to 2808 01:12:51,770 --> 01:12:53,748 100 million to more or less. 2809 01:12:53,748 --> 01:12:56,640 one of the local mpps, mr. Dowey 2810 01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:56,640 did 2811 01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,090 did tell me that of course it is 2812 01:12:58,090 --> 01:12:58,090 going 2813 01:12:58,090 --> 01:12:59,934 going to be more. 2814 01:12:59,934 --> 01:13:01,383 but I don't know if other counties paying 2815 01:13:01,383 --> 01:13:02,221 counties paying for their 2816 01:13:02,221 --> 01:13:03,362 hospital, I'm not sure if we 2817 01:13:03,362 --> 01:13:04,820 will be paying for more, but I 2818 01:13:04,820 --> 01:13:05,597 think it's something we need to 2819 01:13:05,597 --> 01:13:05,597 have 2820 01:13:05,597 --> 01:13:06,862 have in writing that we are not 2821 01:13:06,862 --> 01:13:06,862 going 2822 01:13:06,862 --> 01:13:08,313 going to pay more. 2823 01:13:08,313 --> 01:13:09,596 and I went back and found the old resolution 2824 01:13:09,596 --> 01:13:10,797 old resolution saying we are not 2825 01:13:10,797 --> 01:13:10,797 2826 01:13:10,797 --> 01:13:12,963 paying more. But 2827 01:13:12,963 --> 01:13:14,383 but now that the hospital is 2828 01:13:14,383 --> 01:13:17,235 being built and our mpp did say 2829 01:13:17,235 --> 01:13:17,235 that 2830 01:13:17,235 --> 01:13:18,705 that we are paying more, I think 2831 01:13:18,705 --> 01:13:20,140 that is concerning and just 2832 01:13:20,140 --> 01:13:22,521 wondering if our cao has any 2833 01:13:22,521 --> 01:13:24,003 advice on that and if we could 2834 01:13:24,003 --> 01:13:24,003 reach 2835 01:13:24,003 --> 01:13:25,269 reach out and confirm that we 2836 01:13:25,269 --> 01:13:27,625 are not paying more. 2837 01:13:27,625 --> 01:13:30,451 >> through you warden. 2838 01:13:30,451 --> 01:13:32,737 we have not received any formal 2839 01:13:32,737 --> 01:13:34,124 communication from windsor 2840 01:13:34,124 --> 01:13:34,975 regional hospital asking 2841 01:13:34,975 --> 01:13:36,547 the county of essex for more 2842 01:13:36,547 --> 01:13:36,547 money. 2843 01:13:36,547 --> 01:13:40,128 and to your point councillor 2844 01:13:40,128 --> 01:13:43,666 bondi, a great, groundbreaking 2845 01:13:43,666 --> 01:13:43,666 2846 01:13:43,666 --> 01:13:45,662 ceremony to shed a positive 2847 01:13:45,662 --> 01:13:47,485 light on a long awaited project. 2848 01:13:47,485 --> 01:13:49,341 and I will continue to be in 2849 01:13:49,341 --> 01:13:54,271 conversation with kristen kennedy 2850 01:13:54,271 --> 01:13:55,236 kennedy on any information 2851 01:13:55,236 --> 01:13:58,705 relating to the cost. 2852 01:13:58,705 --> 01:14:01,484 >> thank you. 2853 01:14:01,484 --> 01:14:03,312 so then, there is a 2854 01:14:03,312 --> 01:14:06,191 recommendation that the items of correspondence 2855 01:14:06,191 --> 01:14:07,906 correspondence listed be received 2856 01:14:07,906 --> 01:14:09,735 received and any action 2857 01:14:09,735 --> 01:14:09,735 approved. 2858 01:14:09,735 --> 01:14:12,243 looking for a mover and a 2859 01:14:12,243 --> 01:14:12,243 seconder. 2860 01:14:12,243 --> 01:14:15,428 councillor deyong, councillor 2861 01:14:15,428 --> 01:14:15,428 gibb. 2862 01:14:15,428 --> 01:14:17,679 all in favour by show of hands? 2863 01:14:17,679 --> 01:14:17,679 2864 01:14:17,679 --> 01:14:21,385 that is carried, thank you. 2865 01:14:21,385 --> 01:14:28,785 the resolution listed under item 2866 01:14:28,785 --> 01:14:28,785 ten 2867 01:14:28,785 --> 01:14:30,240 ten .2.1 was addressed in fact 2868 01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:30,290 we will move 2869 01:14:30,290 --> 01:14:32,287 we will move on to ten .2.2, which 2870 01:14:32,287 --> 01:14:34,182 which is a resolution from the 2871 01:14:34,182 --> 01:14:34,182 2872 01:14:34,182 --> 01:14:37,598 town of essex dated july 23rd, 2873 01:14:37,598 --> 01:14:37,598 2874 01:14:37,598 --> 01:14:39,066 2026, regarding lack of access 2875 01:14:39,066 --> 01:14:39,066 2876 01:14:39,066 --> 01:14:40,847 to municipal recycling diversion 2877 01:14:40,847 --> 01:14:40,847 2878 01:14:40,847 --> 01:14:40,847 data. 2879 01:14:40,847 --> 01:14:42,423 would a member of essex like to 2880 01:14:42,423 --> 01:14:43,576 speak to it? 2881 01:14:43,576 --> 01:14:44,598 councillor bondi? 2882 01:14:44,598 --> 01:14:46,649 >> thank you warden macdonald. 2883 01:14:46,649 --> 01:14:46,649 2884 01:14:46,649 --> 01:14:48,085 I would like to ask my county 2885 01:14:48,085 --> 01:14:50,358 colleagues that we support this 2886 01:14:50,358 --> 01:14:52,182 and send this on to circular 2887 01:14:52,182 --> 01:14:54,245 materials and send it on to the 2888 01:14:54,245 --> 01:14:57,249 solid waste authority as well. 2889 01:14:57,249 --> 01:14:57,249 2890 01:14:57,249 --> 01:14:58,822 this is what I alluded to at the 2891 01:14:58,822 --> 01:14:58,822 last 2892 01:14:58,822 --> 01:15:00,334 last meeting, something we did 2893 01:15:00,334 --> 01:15:00,334 2894 01:15:00,334 --> 01:15:01,785 in essex when we get the reports, 2895 01:15:01,785 --> 01:15:03,213 reports, we read the reports and 2896 01:15:03,213 --> 01:15:03,213 2897 01:15:03,213 --> 01:15:05,428 right now circular materials has 2898 01:15:05,428 --> 01:15:05,428 2899 01:15:05,428 --> 01:15:07,307 been wishy washy on whether they 2900 01:15:07,307 --> 01:15:08,929 are going to give us annual 2901 01:15:08,929 --> 01:15:10,400 reports on diversion. 2902 01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,990 it will be hard to report apples 2903 01:15:12,990 --> 01:15:15,213 to oranges or apples to apples 2904 01:15:15,213 --> 01:15:15,213 going 2905 01:15:15,213 --> 01:15:16,180 going forward on diversion and 2906 01:15:16,180 --> 01:15:16,230 I 2907 01:15:16,230 --> 01:15:18,417 believe the solid waste authority 2908 01:15:18,417 --> 01:15:19,853 authority has a delegation. So 2909 01:15:19,853 --> 01:15:21,304 so this is something, if we support 2910 01:15:21,304 --> 01:15:22,357 support it they can perhaps use 2911 01:15:22,357 --> 01:15:25,801 it to beef up their delegation 2912 01:15:25,801 --> 01:15:25,801 . 2913 01:15:25,801 --> 01:15:29,476 they don't have one, do they? >> 2914 01:15:29,476 --> 01:15:30,880 >> did they get denied? >> 2915 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:32,778 >> through you warden, yes, we 2916 01:15:32,778 --> 01:15:32,778 received 2917 01:15:32,778 --> 01:15:33,587 received word that the delegation 2918 01:15:33,587 --> 01:15:34,494 delegation on that topic was 2919 01:15:34,494 --> 01:15:37,556 denied by the province. 2920 01:15:37,556 --> 01:15:40,600 >> okay, well -- that is 2921 01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:41,789 surprising, sorry. 2922 01:15:41,789 --> 01:15:44,237 I would still like to see if 2923 01:15:44,237 --> 01:15:45,307 council will support sending 2924 01:15:45,307 --> 01:15:46,686 this letter to circular materials 2925 01:15:46,686 --> 01:15:47,735 materials since we are the host 2926 01:15:47,735 --> 01:15:49,565 municipality here in the county 2927 01:15:49,565 --> 01:15:49,565 of 2928 01:15:49,565 --> 01:15:50,693 of essex of the landfill, we 2929 01:15:50,693 --> 01:15:52,506 would like to know what is going 2930 01:15:52,506 --> 01:15:52,506 2931 01:15:52,506 --> 01:15:52,506 on. 2932 01:15:52,506 --> 01:16:32,355 >> we will just wait until the 2933 01:16:32,355 --> 01:16:34,190 resolution is updated, then I will 2934 01:16:34,190 --> 01:16:36,982 will read it. 2935 01:16:36,982 --> 01:16:59,749 the resolution is that the -- the 2936 01:16:59,749 --> 01:17:00,798 the recommendation is the resolution 2937 01:17:00,798 --> 01:17:01,794 resolution from the town of 2938 01:17:01,794 --> 01:17:03,999 essex, regarding municipal 2939 01:17:03,999 --> 01:17:04,995 recycling diversion data be received 2940 01:17:04,995 --> 01:17:06,884 received and that council direct 2941 01:17:06,884 --> 01:17:08,281 administration to send a letter 2942 01:17:08,281 --> 01:17:08,281 in 2943 01:17:08,281 --> 01:17:10,498 in support of the town of essex. 2944 01:17:10,498 --> 01:17:10,498 2945 01:17:10,498 --> 01:17:11,978 and you are good with that 2946 01:17:11,978 --> 01:17:13,619 motion then, councillor bondi? 2947 01:17:13,619 --> 01:17:13,619 2948 01:17:13,619 --> 01:17:16,615 seconded by deputy warden. 2949 01:17:16,615 --> 01:17:16,615 perfect. 2950 01:17:16,615 --> 01:17:20,039 any comments or questions? 2951 01:17:20,039 --> 01:17:21,915 >> madam warden. >> 2952 01:17:21,915 --> 01:17:23,729 >> yes, councillor -- 2953 01:17:23,729 --> 01:17:23,729 mcnamara? 2954 01:17:23,729 --> 01:17:28,259 >> I would also suggest that we 2955 01:17:28,259 --> 01:17:28,259 2956 01:17:28,259 --> 01:17:34,908 also see see that to amo. 2957 01:17:34,908 --> 01:17:35,966 for comment. 2958 01:17:35,966 --> 01:17:38,734 because it is not only our 2959 01:17:38,734 --> 01:17:40,022 authority, but there is others 2960 01:17:40,022 --> 01:17:42,460 across the province that have been 2961 01:17:42,460 --> 01:17:46,821 been asking for the same request 2962 01:17:46,821 --> 01:17:46,821 and 2963 01:17:46,821 --> 01:17:49,665 and it was unfortunate that last 2964 01:17:49,665 --> 01:17:49,665 2965 01:17:49,665 --> 01:17:53,432 week the government turned us 2966 01:17:53,432 --> 01:17:56,338 down on the delegation. 2967 01:17:56,338 --> 01:17:58,925 >> duly noted, that is good with the 2968 01:17:58,925 --> 01:18:00,373 the mover and the seconder? 2969 01:18:00,373 --> 01:18:00,373 perfect. 2970 01:18:00,373 --> 01:18:03,210 speaking to that, deputy warden? 2971 01:18:03,210 --> 01:18:03,261 >> if 2972 01:18:03,261 --> 01:18:04,700 >> if we can add a friendly 2973 01:18:04,700 --> 01:18:06,057 amendment to send the 2974 01:18:06,057 --> 01:18:07,283 correspondence to the minister 2975 01:18:07,283 --> 01:18:07,332 of the 2976 01:18:07,332 --> 01:18:09,318 of the environment, todd 2977 01:18:09,318 --> 01:18:11,939 mccarthy so that they are 2978 01:18:11,939 --> 01:18:13,356 aware of this issue and have 2979 01:18:13,356 --> 01:18:15,381 them advocate for us for our 2980 01:18:15,381 --> 01:18:15,381 region. 2981 01:18:15,381 --> 01:18:22,543 >> more duly noted. 2982 01:18:22,543 --> 01:18:24,130 that this okay then? 2983 01:18:24,130 --> 01:18:25,936 then I will ask you to vote 2984 01:18:25,936 --> 01:18:29,330 electronically, please. 2985 01:18:29,330 --> 01:18:43,212 I see all of those thumbs up, 2986 01:18:43,212 --> 01:18:45,846 thank you counsellor. 2987 01:18:45,846 --> 01:18:48,641 and that is carried, thank you 2988 01:18:48,641 --> 01:18:48,641 2989 01:18:48,641 --> 01:18:50,894 very much. 2990 01:18:50,894 --> 01:18:53,606 then we have the consent agenda, 2991 01:18:53,606 --> 01:18:53,606 four 2992 01:18:53,606 --> 01:18:55,168 four items are listed on it. 2993 01:18:55,168 --> 01:18:56,870 a summary of outstanding matters 2994 01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:56,870 2995 01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:59,804 report for august fifth, 2026, 2996 01:18:59,804 --> 01:19:01,738 quarter 22026 quarterly 2997 01:19:01,738 --> 01:19:03,514 procurement summary, 2998 01:19:03,514 --> 01:19:05,517 implementation by ontario public 2999 01:19:05,517 --> 01:19:06,812 procurement requirements and county 3000 01:19:06,812 --> 01:19:08,069 county encampment update. 3001 01:19:08,069 --> 01:19:10,194 any questions for administration 3002 01:19:10,194 --> 01:19:10,194 on 3003 01:19:10,194 --> 01:19:11,904 on the items listed on consent? 3004 01:19:11,904 --> 01:19:11,904 3005 01:19:11,904 --> 01:19:12,904 counsellor gib? 3006 01:19:12,904 --> 01:19:15,181 >> thank you madam warden. 3007 01:19:15,181 --> 01:19:17,257 for item 11.3, the 3008 01:19:17,257 --> 01:19:19,042 implementation of the buy 3009 01:19:19,042 --> 01:19:21,261 ontario policy, I'm a little 3010 01:19:21,261 --> 01:19:21,261 unclear. 3011 01:19:21,261 --> 01:19:24,483 so from the way I read the 3012 01:19:24,483 --> 01:19:28,414 report, we are going to give 3013 01:19:28,414 --> 01:19:30,590 preferential treatment to a 3014 01:19:30,590 --> 01:19:34,582 supplier that has a higher buy 3015 01:19:34,582 --> 01:19:38,280 ontario based percentage of 3016 01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,312 service or product. 3017 01:19:41,312 --> 01:19:42,781 does that mean that the county 3018 01:19:42,781 --> 01:19:46,935 could, in essence, spend $250,000 more 3019 01:19:46,935 --> 01:19:49,913 $250,000 more for a service or 3020 01:19:49,913 --> 01:19:50,052 a product 3021 01:19:50,052 --> 01:19:51,472 product for a negligible 3022 01:19:51,472 --> 01:19:54,130 difference in the buy ontario 3023 01:19:54,130 --> 01:19:54,130 percentage? 3024 01:19:54,130 --> 01:19:58,624 if it is $200,000 more, but it 3025 01:19:58,624 --> 01:19:58,624 3026 01:19:58,624 --> 01:20:00,846 only brings the ontario 3027 01:20:00,846 --> 01:20:05,558 percentage from 75 to 76%, that 3028 01:20:05,558 --> 01:20:05,558 3029 01:20:05,558 --> 01:20:07,207 doesn't seem -- it seems a bit 3030 01:20:07,207 --> 01:20:07,207 3031 01:20:07,207 --> 01:20:08,812 counterintuitive to me. 3032 01:20:08,812 --> 01:20:09,847 I would like a little more 3033 01:20:09,847 --> 01:20:12,143 information on that, if you 3034 01:20:12,143 --> 01:20:12,143 could. 3035 01:20:12,143 --> 01:20:13,678 >> melissa? 3036 01:20:13,678 --> 01:20:16,363 >> through you warden, that can 3037 01:20:16,363 --> 01:20:16,363 3038 01:20:16,363 --> 01:20:17,013 be the case. 3039 01:20:17,013 --> 01:20:20,284 there is a cap of 25%. 3040 01:20:20,284 --> 01:20:22,180 so we have to follow the rules. 3041 01:20:22,180 --> 01:20:28,074 but if it is over 25% higher, then 3042 01:20:28,074 --> 01:20:29,336 then we have discretion there 3043 01:20:29,336 --> 01:20:32,842 where we wouldn't have to go with 3044 01:20:32,842 --> 01:20:34,208 with the highest -- whoever is 3045 01:20:34,208 --> 01:20:34,208 3046 01:20:34,208 --> 01:20:36,818 meeting the content criteria. 3047 01:20:36,818 --> 01:20:39,326 but it does give them -- it 3048 01:20:39,326 --> 01:20:42,806 won't always be the lowest cost 3049 01:20:42,806 --> 01:20:42,806 3050 01:20:42,806 --> 01:20:45,696 moving forward with this. 3051 01:20:45,696 --> 01:20:48,039 >> so just as a follow up, we 3052 01:20:48,039 --> 01:20:51,974 could be spending more for a 3053 01:20:51,974 --> 01:20:53,937 negligible difference -- or what 3054 01:20:53,937 --> 01:20:53,937 I 3055 01:20:53,937 --> 01:20:55,408 I would consider a negligible 3056 01:20:55,408 --> 01:20:59,184 difference in the ontario 3057 01:20:59,184 --> 01:21:02,336 content of a contract. 3058 01:21:02,336 --> 01:21:03,670 is this set in stone? 3059 01:21:03,670 --> 01:21:05,508 is this something that the 3060 01:21:05,508 --> 01:21:08,392 province has said "we shall do 3061 01:21:08,392 --> 01:21:08,392 3062 01:21:08,392 --> 01:21:08,392 this?" 3063 01:21:08,392 --> 01:21:10,599 or is this something where 3064 01:21:10,599 --> 01:21:13,206 council can take it on a case-by-case 3065 01:21:13,206 --> 01:21:14,926 case-by-case basis and say the 3066 01:21:14,926 --> 01:21:14,926 3067 01:21:14,926 --> 01:21:17,322 added cost is not justified by 3068 01:21:17,322 --> 01:21:20,926 the increase in ontario content? 3069 01:21:20,926 --> 01:21:20,926 3070 01:21:20,926 --> 01:21:23,219 >> through you warden, it is 3071 01:21:23,219 --> 01:21:24,601 legislation, we do have to 3072 01:21:24,601 --> 01:21:24,855 follow it. 3073 01:21:24,855 --> 01:21:28,520 however, we are tracking if any 3074 01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:28,520 of 3075 01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,709 of this really affects us and we 3076 01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:30,709 3077 01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:31,820 would come back to council with 3078 01:21:31,820 --> 01:21:34,994 those higher dollar value ones. 3079 01:21:34,994 --> 01:21:34,994 3080 01:21:34,994 --> 01:21:36,086 I believe our manager of 3081 01:21:36,086 --> 01:21:37,729 procurement is here today, but 3082 01:21:37,729 --> 01:21:37,780 I 3083 01:21:37,780 --> 01:21:38,985 believe we have only had two or 3084 01:21:38,985 --> 01:21:39,034 three go 3085 01:21:39,034 --> 01:21:41,940 three go out so far and we 3086 01:21:41,940 --> 01:21:42,898 haven't had that scenario where 3087 01:21:42,898 --> 01:21:44,295 we are paying more for 3088 01:21:44,295 --> 01:21:44,949 something. But it 3089 01:21:44,949 --> 01:21:46,136 but it is a possibility for the 3090 01:21:46,136 --> 01:21:46,136 3091 01:21:46,136 --> 01:21:47,380 future, we will be tracking 3092 01:21:47,380 --> 01:21:50,073 these to make sure we are at least 3093 01:21:50,073 --> 01:21:51,088 least having an eye on how much 3094 01:21:51,088 --> 01:21:51,138 this is 3095 01:21:51,138 --> 01:21:52,626 this is going to be moving 3096 01:21:52,626 --> 01:21:54,931 forward, for budgets moving 3097 01:21:54,931 --> 01:21:56,149 forward in the future because it 3098 01:21:56,149 --> 01:21:56,199 is legislation 3099 01:21:56,199 --> 01:21:57,213 is legislation and we do have to 3100 01:21:57,213 --> 01:21:57,213 3101 01:21:57,213 --> 01:21:58,423 follow it. >> 3102 01:21:58,423 --> 01:22:00,882 >> just one more, I'm sorry. 3103 01:22:00,882 --> 01:22:04,474 just because locally, we have 3104 01:22:04,474 --> 01:22:07,750 had something happen with this. 3105 01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:07,750 3106 01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:09,797 will all of the bidders follow 3107 01:22:09,797 --> 01:22:09,797 3108 01:22:09,797 --> 01:22:13,406 the same pattern? 3109 01:22:13,406 --> 01:22:15,421 or will some take something into 3110 01:22:15,421 --> 01:22:15,421 account 3111 01:22:15,421 --> 01:22:16,283 account that another one might 3112 01:22:16,283 --> 01:22:16,283 3113 01:22:16,283 --> 01:22:17,337 have missed? 3114 01:22:17,337 --> 01:22:18,786 is that something that the 3115 01:22:18,786 --> 01:22:20,574 administration is going to look 3116 01:22:20,574 --> 01:22:20,574 at? 3117 01:22:20,574 --> 01:22:25,040 because there could be a 3118 01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:26,615 situation where the county 3119 01:22:26,615 --> 01:22:31,251 includes a contingency of 3120 01:22:31,251 --> 01:22:32,795 $200,000.01 contractor thinks 3121 01:22:32,795 --> 01:22:35,809 well that qualifies for the buy ontario 3122 01:22:35,809 --> 01:22:36,947 ontario where another one 3123 01:22:36,947 --> 01:22:37,994 doesn't include that. Are 3124 01:22:37,994 --> 01:22:39,010 are we going to be sure that 3125 01:22:39,010 --> 01:22:41,835 when we get these, they have been 3126 01:22:41,835 --> 01:22:42,835 been standardized and we have 3127 01:22:42,835 --> 01:22:46,413 checked the math, so to speak? 3128 01:22:46,413 --> 01:22:46,413 3129 01:22:46,413 --> 01:22:48,294 >> through you warden, so they 3130 01:22:48,294 --> 01:22:48,294 3131 01:22:48,294 --> 01:22:51,193 do have to attest to the 3132 01:22:51,193 --> 01:22:52,311 information that they are 3133 01:22:52,311 --> 01:22:53,585 providing us with. 3134 01:22:53,585 --> 01:22:55,287 there is nothing in the 3135 01:22:55,287 --> 01:22:57,277 legislation that requires us to 3136 01:22:57,277 --> 01:22:57,277 3137 01:22:57,277 --> 01:22:58,695 audit them. 3138 01:22:58,695 --> 01:23:00,163 but they are attesting to if 3139 01:23:00,163 --> 01:23:03,774 they are going to use -- we like 3140 01:23:03,774 --> 01:23:03,774 3141 01:23:03,774 --> 01:23:04,820 these widgets, if they are going 3142 01:23:04,820 --> 01:23:04,820 3143 01:23:04,820 --> 01:23:06,072 to use widgets and their 3144 01:23:06,072 --> 01:23:07,617 construction and it is ontario 3145 01:23:07,617 --> 01:23:07,617 3146 01:23:07,617 --> 01:23:10,656 or canadian, that we are assuming 3147 01:23:10,656 --> 01:23:11,673 assuming that they are attesting 3148 01:23:11,673 --> 01:23:11,673 3149 01:23:11,673 --> 01:23:12,502 that is true. 3150 01:23:12,502 --> 01:23:14,042 there is nothing more that we 3151 01:23:14,042 --> 01:23:17,356 would follow up, that is all. 3152 01:23:17,356 --> 01:23:19,164 >> councillor prue? 3153 01:23:19,164 --> 01:23:21,431 >> on exactly the same item, what 3154 01:23:21,431 --> 01:23:22,790 what we have on our monday 3155 01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:27,519 council meeting coming up is $165,000 and 3156 01:23:27,519 --> 01:23:28,564 $165,000 and I can't find any 3157 01:23:28,564 --> 01:23:28,564 difference. 3158 01:23:28,564 --> 01:23:32,579 if there is, it is so minuscule that 3159 01:23:32,579 --> 01:23:34,424 that it is beyond belief. 3160 01:23:34,424 --> 01:23:36,870 what that equates to is $7 for 3161 01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:36,870 3162 01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:38,944 every man, woman, and child in 3163 01:23:38,944 --> 01:23:40,827 amherstburg having to pay that 3164 01:23:40,827 --> 01:23:40,827 3165 01:23:40,827 --> 01:23:41,986 extra money. 3166 01:23:41,986 --> 01:23:43,172 and the province doesn't want to 3167 01:23:43,172 --> 01:23:43,172 3168 01:23:43,172 --> 01:23:44,254 reimburse us, they don't want to 3169 01:23:44,254 --> 01:23:44,254 3170 01:23:44,254 --> 01:23:46,085 give us a single penny. 3171 01:23:46,085 --> 01:23:47,930 so it means that every taxpayer 3172 01:23:47,930 --> 01:23:47,930 is 3173 01:23:47,930 --> 01:23:51,205 is going to pay $7 more than the 3174 01:23:51,205 --> 01:23:51,205 lowest 3175 01:23:51,205 --> 01:23:53,257 lowest bid to satisfy what, I 3176 01:23:53,257 --> 01:23:55,556 don't know. 3177 01:23:55,556 --> 01:23:56,667 and I don't think this 3178 01:23:56,667 --> 01:23:59,174 legislation is very well thought 3179 01:23:59,174 --> 01:23:59,174 out. 3180 01:23:59,174 --> 01:24:02,750 maybe the county and maybe 3181 01:24:02,750 --> 01:24:04,224 monday, when we get to this in 3182 01:24:04,224 --> 01:24:04,224 3183 01:24:04,224 --> 01:24:05,627 our own council meeting, we should 3184 01:24:05,627 --> 01:24:07,519 should send a pretty strong 3185 01:24:07,519 --> 01:24:10,955 message off to the province that 3186 01:24:10,955 --> 01:24:10,955 3187 01:24:10,955 --> 01:24:12,701 this runs contrary to everything 3188 01:24:12,701 --> 01:24:12,701 that 3189 01:24:12,701 --> 01:24:13,501 that municipalities have been 3190 01:24:13,501 --> 01:24:14,977 doing for 20 years. 3191 01:24:14,977 --> 01:24:16,395 looking for the lowest bidder, 3192 01:24:16,395 --> 01:24:16,395 3193 01:24:16,395 --> 01:24:19,685 looking for the best value and 3194 01:24:19,685 --> 01:24:19,685 3195 01:24:19,685 --> 01:24:21,033 going with that. 3196 01:24:21,033 --> 01:24:23,109 because to just leave it out there, 3197 01:24:23,109 --> 01:24:24,517 there, if we just leave this 3198 01:24:24,517 --> 01:24:28,580 alone, it is going to cost the 3199 01:24:28,580 --> 01:24:28,580 3200 01:24:28,580 --> 01:24:30,014 county, all of our seven 3201 01:24:30,014 --> 01:24:32,245 constituents and municipalities 3202 01:24:32,245 --> 01:24:32,245 3203 01:24:32,245 --> 01:24:36,081 and all 444 municipalities and 3204 01:24:36,081 --> 01:24:36,081 ontario 3205 01:24:36,081 --> 01:24:37,143 ontario sooner or later, are 3206 01:24:37,143 --> 01:24:38,995 going to be bitten by this and 3207 01:24:38,995 --> 01:24:41,801 get no value for a piece of 3208 01:24:41,801 --> 01:24:45,060 legislation that doesn't work. 3209 01:24:45,060 --> 01:24:45,060 3210 01:24:45,060 --> 01:24:46,636 so I don't know whether to make 3211 01:24:46,636 --> 01:24:46,636 3212 01:24:46,636 --> 01:24:47,322 that motion, I guess I would 3213 01:24:47,322 --> 01:24:48,684 have to make a notice of motion 3214 01:24:48,684 --> 01:24:48,684 3215 01:24:48,684 --> 01:24:49,977 later today. 3216 01:24:49,977 --> 01:24:51,894 maybe I will float it at 3217 01:24:51,894 --> 01:24:53,695 amherstburg first and then come 3218 01:24:53,695 --> 01:24:53,695 3219 01:24:53,695 --> 01:24:56,568 back to you, because I don't think 3220 01:24:56,568 --> 01:24:57,995 think we can let this stand. 3221 01:24:57,995 --> 01:25:00,179 I honestly think that this is 3222 01:25:00,179 --> 01:25:01,712 really wrong. 3223 01:25:01,712 --> 01:25:04,057 because for 50 years or so, the 3224 01:25:04,057 --> 01:25:04,057 3225 01:25:04,057 --> 01:25:05,624 province of ontario has told us we 3226 01:25:05,624 --> 01:25:07,703 we have to do the lowest bid. 3227 01:25:07,703 --> 01:25:11,366 they also told us that we could 3228 01:25:11,366 --> 01:25:11,366 not 3229 01:25:11,366 --> 01:25:12,461 not differentiate between 3230 01:25:12,461 --> 01:25:14,888 canadian and u.s. Buyers. 3231 01:25:14,888 --> 01:25:16,902 if we had, especially when you 3232 01:25:16,902 --> 01:25:16,902 live 3233 01:25:16,902 --> 01:25:18,324 live near the border, you couldn't 3234 01:25:18,324 --> 01:25:19,083 couldn't differentiate between 3235 01:25:19,083 --> 01:25:19,484 the two. 3236 01:25:19,484 --> 01:25:21,653 and that we had to take all bids 3237 01:25:21,653 --> 01:25:21,653 3238 01:25:21,653 --> 01:25:23,591 on their face. 3239 01:25:23,591 --> 01:25:25,594 and all of a sudden we have a 3240 01:25:25,594 --> 01:25:35,336 diametrical 180-degree turn for 3241 01:25:35,336 --> 01:25:35,336 3242 01:25:35,336 --> 01:25:38,396 no perceived value to us. 3243 01:25:38,396 --> 01:25:39,782 >> madam cao? 3244 01:25:39,782 --> 01:25:41,794 >> thank you warden. 3245 01:25:41,794 --> 01:25:44,031 to your comments councillor 3246 01:25:44,031 --> 01:25:45,496 prue, I think you are right in 3247 01:25:45,496 --> 01:25:45,496 that 3248 01:25:45,496 --> 01:25:47,210 that back I believe it was 3249 01:25:47,210 --> 01:25:50,409 around 2017, maybe slightly earlier 3250 01:25:50,409 --> 01:25:51,665 earlier than that, you will all 3251 01:25:51,665 --> 01:25:52,955 recall the cft a.. 3252 01:25:52,955 --> 01:25:55,188 the requirement to recognize the 3253 01:25:55,188 --> 01:25:55,188 3254 01:25:55,188 --> 01:25:57,650 global economy. 3255 01:25:57,650 --> 01:25:59,442 and our inability to 3256 01:25:59,442 --> 01:26:02,227 discriminate against global players 3257 01:26:02,227 --> 01:26:03,088 players and you are seeing a 3258 01:26:03,088 --> 01:26:05,630 reverse of that and a look 3259 01:26:05,630 --> 01:26:08,269 towards ontario specifically. 3260 01:26:08,269 --> 01:26:09,569 what I would recommend, and as 3261 01:26:09,569 --> 01:26:11,030 director ryan has indicated, what 3262 01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:12,062 what we are doing here at the 3263 01:26:12,062 --> 01:26:13,835 county is statistically tracking 3264 01:26:13,835 --> 01:26:13,835 the 3265 01:26:13,835 --> 01:26:15,235 the impacts of this legislation 3266 01:26:15,235 --> 01:26:15,235 3267 01:26:15,235 --> 01:26:17,092 on our budget. 3268 01:26:17,092 --> 01:26:18,500 the recommendation is that each 3269 01:26:18,500 --> 01:26:18,500 of 3270 01:26:18,500 --> 01:26:21,976 of your locals do the same. 3271 01:26:21,976 --> 01:26:23,756 and that we use that data to 3272 01:26:23,756 --> 01:26:24,653 inform our advocacy at the 3273 01:26:24,653 --> 01:26:27,385 provincial levels. 3274 01:26:27,385 --> 01:26:29,077 I know certainly melissa meets 3275 01:26:29,077 --> 01:26:30,412 with your prospective treasurers 3276 01:26:30,412 --> 01:26:30,412 3277 01:26:30,412 --> 01:26:33,222 on a basis and this has been a 3278 01:26:33,222 --> 01:26:33,900 topic of conversation. 3279 01:26:33,900 --> 01:26:35,135 I know there has also been 3280 01:26:35,135 --> 01:26:38,655 discussion around standardizing 3281 01:26:38,655 --> 01:26:38,655 the 3282 01:26:38,655 --> 01:26:40,742 the approach to the legislation. 3283 01:26:40,742 --> 01:26:40,742 3284 01:26:40,742 --> 01:26:42,638 so definitely recommending this 3285 01:26:42,638 --> 01:26:44,431 evening that each of the locals 3286 01:26:44,431 --> 01:26:45,796 track the same way that the county 3287 01:26:45,796 --> 01:26:48,013 county is, the data associated 3288 01:26:48,013 --> 01:26:48,013 with 3289 01:26:48,013 --> 01:26:49,084 with implementing this 3290 01:26:49,084 --> 01:26:51,287 legislation so that we do have 3291 01:26:51,287 --> 01:26:52,893 information armed to take that 3292 01:26:52,893 --> 01:26:52,893 forward 3293 01:26:52,893 --> 01:26:55,175 forward and add it to our advocacy 3294 01:26:55,175 --> 01:26:56,603 advocacy campaign at the county 3295 01:26:56,603 --> 01:26:56,603 level. 3296 01:26:56,603 --> 01:26:56,603 level. 3297 01:26:56,603 --> 01:26:58,044 as well as with each of you at 3298 01:26:58,044 --> 01:27:01,141 the local level. 3299 01:27:01,141 --> 01:27:03,515 >> councillor shapley? 3300 01:27:03,515 --> 01:27:04,935 >> thank you and through you 3301 01:27:04,935 --> 01:27:07,191 madam warden. 3302 01:27:07,191 --> 01:27:10,988 deputy mayor and mayor prue -- 3303 01:27:10,988 --> 01:27:10,988 and 3304 01:27:10,988 --> 01:27:12,443 and I've talked to a bunch of 3305 01:27:12,443 --> 01:27:15,522 developers and guys that build, 3306 01:27:15,522 --> 01:27:17,043 and it seems that there's a lot 3307 01:27:17,043 --> 01:27:17,043 of 3308 01:27:17,043 --> 01:27:20,743 of discrepancy with how we are 3309 01:27:20,743 --> 01:27:20,743 3310 01:27:20,743 --> 01:27:22,118 accepting these proposals that 3311 01:27:22,118 --> 01:27:22,118 are 3312 01:27:22,118 --> 01:27:23,928 are coming in. 3313 01:27:23,928 --> 01:27:25,088 and I guess what I'm wondering 3314 01:27:25,088 --> 01:27:26,111 is in the event that one of them 3315 01:27:26,111 --> 01:27:26,111 3316 01:27:26,111 --> 01:27:29,845 is in and someone attests to it, 3317 01:27:29,845 --> 01:27:29,845 is 3318 01:27:29,845 --> 01:27:31,479 is there a mechanism for someone 3319 01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:31,479 3320 01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:34,569 to challenge that, that is also 3321 01:27:34,569 --> 01:27:34,569 3322 01:27:34,569 --> 01:27:37,987 bidding to guarantee that they 3323 01:27:37,987 --> 01:27:37,987 are 3324 01:27:37,987 --> 01:27:41,925 are leading that level of 3325 01:27:41,925 --> 01:27:44,360 ontario and then -- and if they 3326 01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:44,360 were 3327 01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:45,545 were attesting to something that 3328 01:27:45,545 --> 01:27:45,545 3329 01:27:45,545 --> 01:27:46,677 maybe this person left out 3330 01:27:46,677 --> 01:27:48,077 because they don't feel it was 3331 01:27:48,077 --> 01:27:48,077 3332 01:27:48,077 --> 01:27:50,519 or whatever, I just think it is 3333 01:27:50,519 --> 01:27:50,519 3334 01:27:50,519 --> 01:27:52,560 very -- it seems very messy to 3335 01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:52,560 3336 01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:52,560 me. 3337 01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:57,924 >> through you warden, they do 3338 01:27:57,924 --> 01:27:57,924 3339 01:27:57,924 --> 01:28:00,192 have to attest to it. 3340 01:28:00,192 --> 01:28:01,692 the approach that the county is 3341 01:28:01,692 --> 01:28:01,692 taking 3342 01:28:01,692 --> 01:28:03,118 taking right now is not to 3343 01:28:03,118 --> 01:28:03,949 question anything. 3344 01:28:03,949 --> 01:28:05,994 however, just like any rfp or 3345 01:28:05,994 --> 01:28:08,523 rfp that goes out, if there is 3346 01:28:08,523 --> 01:28:08,523 something 3347 01:28:08,523 --> 01:28:09,293 something controversial that we will 3348 01:28:09,293 --> 01:28:10,494 will look into, we will 3349 01:28:10,494 --> 01:28:11,725 definitely look into that at 3350 01:28:11,725 --> 01:28:14,027 that time, if that came about. 3351 01:28:14,027 --> 01:28:15,754 but that as of right now, we are 3352 01:28:15,754 --> 01:28:15,754 not 3353 01:28:15,754 --> 01:28:17,244 not dedicating any resources to 3354 01:28:17,244 --> 01:28:18,879 do more than they have attested 3355 01:28:18,879 --> 01:28:18,879 3356 01:28:18,879 --> 01:28:20,025 to it, we are believing what 3357 01:28:20,025 --> 01:28:21,244 they are attesting to and that is 3358 01:28:21,244 --> 01:28:22,527 is how we are moving forward. 3359 01:28:22,527 --> 01:28:23,994 but we can definitely look into 3360 01:28:23,994 --> 01:28:24,894 something if someone thought 3361 01:28:24,894 --> 01:28:28,171 something wasn't true. 3362 01:28:28,171 --> 01:28:30,055 >> anything you would like to 3363 01:28:30,055 --> 01:28:31,200 add to that? 3364 01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,277 >> through you warden, there are 3365 01:28:33,277 --> 01:28:34,130 mechanisms within the 3366 01:28:34,130 --> 01:28:36,501 procurement policy and our 3367 01:28:36,501 --> 01:28:39,125 procedures for proponents to 3368 01:28:39,125 --> 01:28:39,125 object. 3369 01:28:39,125 --> 01:28:40,985 there are mechanisms to that if 3370 01:28:40,985 --> 01:28:42,192 someone did want to challenge how the 3371 01:28:42,192 --> 01:28:43,768 how the decision was made. 3372 01:28:43,768 --> 01:28:45,434 there is a process and a policy 3373 01:28:45,434 --> 01:28:45,434 3374 01:28:45,434 --> 01:28:47,825 for that. 3375 01:28:47,825 --> 01:28:49,588 >> no further questions then? 3376 01:28:49,588 --> 01:28:51,770 there is a recommendation that 3377 01:28:51,770 --> 01:28:51,770 the 3378 01:28:51,770 --> 01:28:52,751 the administrative reports 3379 01:28:52,751 --> 01:28:55,996 listed as items 11.1 through 11.4 3380 01:28:55,996 --> 01:28:57,417 11.4 listed on the consent 3381 01:28:57,417 --> 01:28:59,529 agenda for august fifth, 2026, 3382 01:28:59,529 --> 01:28:59,529 3383 01:28:59,529 --> 01:29:01,367 be received as information. Looking 3384 01:29:01,367 --> 01:29:03,147 looking for a mover and a 3385 01:29:03,147 --> 01:29:03,147 seconder. 3386 01:29:03,147 --> 01:29:08,154 any discussion? 3387 01:29:08,154 --> 01:29:10,000 I will ask you to vote 3388 01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,997 electronically please. 3389 01:29:12,997 --> 01:29:32,228 and that is a thumbs up for you, 3390 01:29:32,228 --> 01:29:32,228 3391 01:29:32,228 --> 01:29:32,228 councillor? 3392 01:29:32,228 --> 01:29:37,564 and that is carried, thank you. 3393 01:29:37,564 --> 01:29:37,564 3394 01:29:37,564 --> 01:29:40,033 on to reports and questions, the 3395 01:29:40,033 --> 01:29:40,083 first report 3396 01:29:40,083 --> 01:29:41,611 first report is the strategic plan 3397 01:29:41,611 --> 01:29:43,641 plan governance road map and the 3398 01:29:43,641 --> 01:29:43,641 3399 01:29:43,641 --> 01:29:45,467 decision framework, over to you, 3400 01:29:45,467 --> 01:29:45,467 3401 01:29:45,467 --> 01:29:46,546 madam cao. 3402 01:29:46,546 --> 01:29:47,949 >> thank you warden, through you 3403 01:29:47,949 --> 01:29:47,949 3404 01:29:47,949 --> 01:29:49,380 to county council. 3405 01:29:49,380 --> 01:29:52,029 so this is a follow up report to 3406 01:29:52,029 --> 01:29:52,029 work 3407 01:29:52,029 --> 01:29:53,437 work that county council 3408 01:29:53,437 --> 01:29:55,363 undertook earlier this year with 3409 01:29:55,363 --> 01:29:56,688 the help of strategycorp. 3410 01:29:56,688 --> 01:29:59,570 and as you recall, we met to look at 3411 01:29:59,570 --> 01:30:00,196 look at where we were tracking 3412 01:30:00,196 --> 01:30:03,821 on our strategic plan and build 3413 01:30:03,821 --> 01:30:03,871 a road map 3414 01:30:03,871 --> 01:30:04,841 a road map to take us into the 3415 01:30:04,841 --> 01:30:04,841 3416 01:30:04,841 --> 01:30:06,208 next term of council. 3417 01:30:06,208 --> 01:30:07,552 so attached to my report this evening 3418 01:30:07,552 --> 01:30:09,962 evening is that road map, as 3419 01:30:09,962 --> 01:30:11,336 summarized by strategycorp. 3420 01:30:11,336 --> 01:30:13,556 I won't go into great detail, but 3421 01:30:13,556 --> 01:30:15,055 but essentially that road map celebrated 3422 01:30:15,055 --> 01:30:17,583 celebrated what we did achieve, 3423 01:30:17,583 --> 01:30:17,583 3424 01:30:17,583 --> 01:30:18,636 recognized the challenges that 3425 01:30:18,636 --> 01:30:18,636 3426 01:30:18,636 --> 01:30:20,386 we faced during the last three and a 3427 01:30:20,386 --> 01:30:23,614 and a half years, and also 3428 01:30:23,614 --> 01:30:25,326 helped us solidify what things 3429 01:30:25,326 --> 01:30:25,326 will 3430 01:30:25,326 --> 01:30:27,051 will be moving into the next 3431 01:30:27,051 --> 01:30:28,662 term of council. One 3432 01:30:28,662 --> 01:30:30,225 one of the key discussions we had 3433 01:30:30,225 --> 01:30:32,985 had that day, surrounded beefing 3434 01:30:32,985 --> 01:30:32,985 3435 01:30:32,985 --> 01:30:36,927 up our ability to sequence and 3436 01:30:36,927 --> 01:30:39,190 prioritize and filter the things 3437 01:30:39,190 --> 01:30:40,720 that come across our table in 3438 01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:42,729 terms of opportunities and 3439 01:30:42,729 --> 01:30:42,729 challenges. 3440 01:30:42,729 --> 01:30:44,869 and also attached to the report 3441 01:30:44,869 --> 01:30:46,738 this evening in the second 3442 01:30:46,738 --> 01:30:49,837 appendix is strategycorp 3443 01:30:49,837 --> 01:30:52,093 decision filter matrix proposal. 3444 01:30:52,093 --> 01:30:52,093 and 3445 01:30:52,093 --> 01:30:53,695 and this has been vetted by the 3446 01:30:53,695 --> 01:30:53,695 senior 3447 01:30:53,695 --> 01:30:55,679 senior leadership team and we do 3448 01:30:55,679 --> 01:30:55,679 3449 01:30:55,679 --> 01:30:57,775 feel that it fully encompasses 3450 01:30:57,775 --> 01:30:57,775 3451 01:30:57,775 --> 01:30:59,834 the various components of decision 3452 01:30:59,834 --> 01:31:01,074 decision making that we do need 3453 01:31:01,074 --> 01:31:05,629 to make sure we satisfy before 3454 01:31:05,629 --> 01:31:05,629 3455 01:31:05,629 --> 01:31:07,373 projects become more squarely on 3456 01:31:07,373 --> 01:31:07,373 3457 01:31:07,373 --> 01:31:09,660 the plate of administration from 3458 01:31:09,660 --> 01:31:09,660 a 3459 01:31:09,660 --> 01:31:10,879 a resource perspective. 3460 01:31:10,879 --> 01:31:12,881 so you will see in that filter 3461 01:31:12,881 --> 01:31:12,881 3462 01:31:12,881 --> 01:31:14,214 matrix, seven different 3463 01:31:14,214 --> 01:31:15,972 categories that we are making 3464 01:31:15,972 --> 01:31:19,673 sure that we detail and ask ourselves 3465 01:31:19,673 --> 01:31:20,903 ourselves as we go through. 3466 01:31:20,903 --> 01:31:22,173 the first one is does it meet the 3467 01:31:22,173 --> 01:31:23,299 the strategic plan in the first 3468 01:31:23,299 --> 01:31:26,433 place, step one. 3469 01:31:26,433 --> 01:31:27,852 the second is surrounding 3470 01:31:27,852 --> 01:31:28,918 regional benefit and the 3471 01:31:28,918 --> 01:31:32,412 conversation of does this impact 3472 01:31:32,412 --> 01:31:32,462 us at 3473 01:31:32,462 --> 01:31:34,007 us at the county level, is it 3474 01:31:34,007 --> 01:31:35,212 our lane? 3475 01:31:35,212 --> 01:31:36,621 the third is funding. 3476 01:31:36,621 --> 01:31:38,389 we can't ignore how things are 3477 01:31:38,389 --> 01:31:38,389 3478 01:31:38,389 --> 01:31:39,747 paid for. 3479 01:31:39,747 --> 01:31:40,902 so making sure we have a thought 3480 01:31:40,902 --> 01:31:40,902 3481 01:31:40,902 --> 01:31:43,574 for that in the early stages of our 3482 01:31:43,574 --> 01:31:46,345 our prioritization is important. 3483 01:31:46,345 --> 01:31:46,345 3484 01:31:46,345 --> 01:31:46,345 sustainability. 3485 01:31:46,345 --> 01:31:48,406 if we undertake something today, 3486 01:31:48,406 --> 01:31:48,406 3487 01:31:48,406 --> 01:31:50,204 can we make sure we can sustain 3488 01:31:50,204 --> 01:31:50,204 it 3489 01:31:50,204 --> 01:31:53,669 it responsibly going forward? 3490 01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:53,669 capacity. 3491 01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:55,719 do we have resources enough to 3492 01:31:55,719 --> 01:31:58,088 get this off the ground? Will 3493 01:31:58,088 --> 01:31:59,229 will we need more? 3494 01:31:59,229 --> 01:32:00,169 is there awareness around what 3495 01:32:00,169 --> 01:32:01,620 that looks like, how we would 3496 01:32:01,620 --> 01:32:04,172 fund it? 3497 01:32:04,172 --> 01:32:05,750 and the trade off decision of if 3498 01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:05,750 3499 01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:07,315 we have capacity and we use it 3500 01:32:07,315 --> 01:32:09,286 for a certain initiative, are we 3501 01:32:09,286 --> 01:32:09,286 3502 01:32:09,286 --> 01:32:10,882 okay with the opportunity cost 3503 01:32:10,882 --> 01:32:10,882 of 3504 01:32:10,882 --> 01:32:12,615 of not having that capacity for 3505 01:32:12,615 --> 01:32:12,615 3506 01:32:12,615 --> 01:32:14,151 something else? 3507 01:32:14,151 --> 01:32:15,582 jurisdiction again ties in to 3508 01:32:15,582 --> 01:32:17,792 the regional benefit of should 3509 01:32:17,792 --> 01:32:17,792 it 3510 01:32:17,792 --> 01:32:19,357 it be in our lane, but more importantly 3511 01:32:19,357 --> 01:32:20,348 importantly to our other levels 3512 01:32:20,348 --> 01:32:20,348 of 3513 01:32:20,348 --> 01:32:22,180 of government perhaps, 3514 01:32:22,180 --> 01:32:23,328 responsible or looking into it 3515 01:32:23,328 --> 01:32:23,328 and 3516 01:32:23,328 --> 01:32:24,232 and making sure we are not 3517 01:32:24,232 --> 01:32:26,484 duplicating or overlapping our 3518 01:32:26,484 --> 01:32:26,484 3519 01:32:26,484 --> 01:32:26,484 efforts. 3520 01:32:26,484 --> 01:32:29,345 and finally for a timing and 3521 01:32:29,345 --> 01:32:30,616 urgency perspective, this is 3522 01:32:30,616 --> 01:32:33,342 something that we want to be more 3523 01:32:33,342 --> 01:32:34,810 more intentional about in terms 3524 01:32:34,810 --> 01:32:34,860 of that 3525 01:32:34,860 --> 01:32:35,859 of that sequencing feedback we 3526 01:32:35,859 --> 01:32:35,859 3527 01:32:35,859 --> 01:32:37,279 got from county council. 3528 01:32:37,279 --> 01:32:39,055 what is important today, tomorrow 3529 01:32:39,055 --> 01:32:42,196 tomorrow and into the future? 3530 01:32:42,196 --> 01:32:43,793 what can we hold off on, what 3531 01:32:43,793 --> 01:32:45,252 are things that we need to 3532 01:32:45,252 --> 01:32:45,252 prioritize? 3533 01:32:45,252 --> 01:32:49,135 and understanding the timing of 3534 01:32:49,135 --> 01:32:49,135 things. 3535 01:32:49,135 --> 01:32:52,814 what we can achieve with a 3536 01:32:52,814 --> 01:32:52,814 certain. 3537 01:32:52,814 --> 01:32:59,315 and let's not overpromise and 3538 01:32:59,315 --> 01:33:01,012 under-deliver, let's do the 3539 01:33:01,012 --> 01:33:02,448 opposite and under-promising and 3540 01:33:02,448 --> 01:33:02,448 overdelivering. 3541 01:33:02,448 --> 01:33:06,447 that has a timing and urgency component 3542 01:33:06,447 --> 01:33:07,400 component consideration to it as 3543 01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:07,400 3544 01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:07,400 well. 3545 01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:10,898 so this evening, for council's 3546 01:33:10,898 --> 01:33:12,486 information, we are looking to 3547 01:33:12,486 --> 01:33:12,486 3548 01:33:12,486 --> 01:33:13,940 have council approve this decision 3549 01:33:13,940 --> 01:33:14,944 decision matrix and if it does 3550 01:33:14,944 --> 01:33:14,944 3551 01:33:14,944 --> 01:33:16,375 approve this evening, we would 3552 01:33:16,375 --> 01:33:16,375 3553 01:33:16,375 --> 01:33:19,057 be appending it to our formal 3554 01:33:19,057 --> 01:33:20,485 strategic plan and posting it publicly 3555 01:33:20,485 --> 01:33:22,673 publicly on our website. 3556 01:33:22,673 --> 01:33:23,737 and using it and integrating it 3557 01:33:23,737 --> 01:33:25,317 the way we have our strategic 3558 01:33:25,317 --> 01:33:27,759 plan more broadly into our 3559 01:33:27,759 --> 01:33:29,020 administrative decision making, 3560 01:33:29,020 --> 01:33:29,020 3561 01:33:29,020 --> 01:33:30,861 budget setting and reporting out 3562 01:33:30,861 --> 01:33:30,861 3563 01:33:30,861 --> 01:33:31,956 to council. 3564 01:33:31,956 --> 01:33:33,469 and with that, I would be happy 3565 01:33:33,469 --> 01:33:33,469 to 3566 01:33:33,469 --> 01:33:35,646 to answer any questions. >> 3567 01:33:35,646 --> 01:33:36,999 >> thank you madam cao. 3568 01:33:36,999 --> 01:33:36,999 questions? 3569 01:33:36,999 --> 01:33:40,858 councillor bailey? 3570 01:33:40,858 --> 01:33:42,036 >> thank you warden and through 3571 01:33:42,036 --> 01:33:43,501 you, more of a comment. 3572 01:33:43,501 --> 01:33:46,180 I'm thrilled to see it, this is 3573 01:33:46,180 --> 01:33:46,230 one of 3574 01:33:46,230 --> 01:33:47,008 one of those decision tree matrixes 3575 01:33:47,008 --> 01:33:48,241 matrixes that I have been 3576 01:33:48,241 --> 01:33:50,501 begging for, it aligns really 3577 01:33:50,501 --> 01:33:51,584 nicely, very well done. 3578 01:33:51,584 --> 01:33:53,922 10 out of 10, 12 out of 10, 3579 01:33:53,922 --> 01:33:55,939 can't wait to see it on the 3580 01:33:55,939 --> 01:33:57,979 place mat. 3581 01:33:57,979 --> 01:33:59,145 I think it is just brilliant 3582 01:33:59,145 --> 01:34:00,529 because it creates this 3583 01:34:00,529 --> 01:34:02,114 foundational document that helps 3584 01:34:02,114 --> 01:34:02,114 us 3585 01:34:02,114 --> 01:34:05,320 us make decisions but doesn't align 3586 01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:08,208 align with an emotional response 3587 01:34:08,208 --> 01:34:09,639 or the other things that kind of 3588 01:34:09,639 --> 01:34:10,510 weigh on you. 3589 01:34:10,510 --> 01:34:13,014 so it brings evidence, I think, 3590 01:34:13,014 --> 01:34:13,014 3591 01:34:13,014 --> 01:34:14,957 to decision making and lets us build 3592 01:34:14,957 --> 01:34:17,184 build foundational response when 3593 01:34:17,184 --> 01:34:17,184 chambers 3594 01:34:17,184 --> 01:34:18,177 chambers may be full and maybe 3595 01:34:18,177 --> 01:34:18,177 it's 3596 01:34:18,177 --> 01:34:20,180 it's not a popular decision, but 3597 01:34:20,180 --> 01:34:21,522 we have run it through this funnel 3598 01:34:21,522 --> 01:34:22,591 funnel and we recognize that we 3599 01:34:22,591 --> 01:34:25,392 have this foundation to support 3600 01:34:25,392 --> 01:34:25,392 us 3601 01:34:25,392 --> 01:34:26,604 us through difficult decision making. 3602 01:34:26,604 --> 01:34:26,604 us through difficult decision making. 3603 01:34:26,604 --> 01:34:29,476 hats off, hats off, hats off and 3604 01:34:29,476 --> 01:34:29,476 3605 01:34:29,476 --> 01:34:29,741 thank you. 3606 01:34:29,741 --> 01:34:31,510 >> councillor bondi? 3607 01:34:31,510 --> 01:34:33,724 >> thank you warden macdonald. 3608 01:34:33,724 --> 01:34:33,724 3609 01:34:33,724 --> 01:34:35,279 I also really like it, I want to 3610 01:34:35,279 --> 01:34:35,279 3611 01:34:35,279 --> 01:34:37,087 take it back to my local to help 3612 01:34:37,087 --> 01:34:38,748 streamline the work there. 3613 01:34:38,748 --> 01:34:40,558 my one question is, does it 3614 01:34:40,558 --> 01:34:42,386 allow for some flexibility in 3615 01:34:42,386 --> 01:34:43,413 case something comes up? 3616 01:34:43,413 --> 01:34:45,098 for example, about a year ago we 3617 01:34:45,098 --> 01:34:45,098 3618 01:34:45,098 --> 01:34:46,104 probably didn't think we would 3619 01:34:46,104 --> 01:34:46,104 3620 01:34:46,104 --> 01:34:47,876 be talking about data centres 3621 01:34:47,876 --> 01:34:47,876 tonight. 3622 01:34:47,876 --> 01:34:51,472 I am glad we are, we are 3623 01:34:51,472 --> 01:34:52,807 responding to the residents. 3624 01:34:52,807 --> 01:34:53,564 so I love it. 3625 01:34:53,564 --> 01:34:55,248 but sometimes things come up and 3626 01:34:55,248 --> 01:34:55,298 I still 3627 01:34:55,298 --> 01:34:56,719 I still want us to be able to be 3628 01:34:56,719 --> 01:34:56,719 responsive. 3629 01:34:56,719 --> 01:35:00,134 >> through you warden, 3630 01:35:00,134 --> 01:35:00,134 definitely. As 3631 01:35:00,134 --> 01:35:03,588 as you saw with data centres, the effort 3632 01:35:03,588 --> 01:35:04,167 the effort that we are going to 3633 01:35:04,167 --> 01:35:05,695 be doing, it wasn't on our radar 3634 01:35:05,695 --> 01:35:07,942 when we set our strategic plan, 3635 01:35:07,942 --> 01:35:07,942 3636 01:35:07,942 --> 01:35:10,082 but now we have incorporated it. 3637 01:35:10,082 --> 01:35:10,082 3638 01:35:10,082 --> 01:35:11,418 nothing about this decision 3639 01:35:11,418 --> 01:35:15,495 filter would prohibit ideas or 3640 01:35:15,495 --> 01:35:16,736 concepts that administration believes 3641 01:35:16,736 --> 01:35:18,113 believes should come to this 3642 01:35:18,113 --> 01:35:18,113 table. 3643 01:35:18,113 --> 01:35:20,404 but it does give a framework to 3644 01:35:20,404 --> 01:35:20,404 help 3645 01:35:20,404 --> 01:35:22,153 help council and administration 3646 01:35:22,153 --> 01:35:22,153 3647 01:35:22,153 --> 01:35:24,084 prioritize whether we act or whether 3648 01:35:24,084 --> 01:35:25,777 whether we put it on a shelf and 3649 01:35:25,777 --> 01:35:25,777 3650 01:35:25,777 --> 01:35:25,777 hold. 3651 01:35:25,777 --> 01:35:28,762 >> councillor shapley? 3652 01:35:28,762 --> 01:35:30,431 >> through you madam warden, I 3653 01:35:30,431 --> 01:35:31,262 like it. 3654 01:35:31,262 --> 01:35:32,987 I really just had one question and 3655 01:35:32,987 --> 01:35:33,694 and I'm sure you've got a great 3656 01:35:33,694 --> 01:35:33,694 3657 01:35:33,694 --> 01:35:35,764 answer for it and I'm sure you 3658 01:35:35,764 --> 01:35:35,764 3659 01:35:35,764 --> 01:35:37,092 already know, but when we are 3660 01:35:37,092 --> 01:35:39,909 looking at that regional aspect 3661 01:35:39,909 --> 01:35:41,269 and if one municipality is 3662 01:35:41,269 --> 01:35:43,233 negatively affected by that same 3663 01:35:43,233 --> 01:35:45,207 information will come to us, so while 3664 01:35:45,207 --> 01:35:46,804 while we were making that regional 3665 01:35:46,804 --> 01:35:47,661 regional decision, we also realized 3666 01:35:47,661 --> 01:35:48,878 realized the burden that we could 3667 01:35:48,878 --> 01:35:51,290 could possibly be placing on any 3668 01:35:51,290 --> 01:35:53,229 individual municipality. >> 3669 01:35:53,229 --> 01:35:54,224 >> through you warden, yes. 3670 01:35:54,224 --> 01:35:55,884 and it is important that all 3671 01:35:55,884 --> 01:35:57,941 reports from administration are 3672 01:35:57,941 --> 01:35:57,941 3673 01:35:57,941 --> 01:35:57,941 balanced. 3674 01:35:57,941 --> 01:35:59,650 that we give you the information 3675 01:35:59,650 --> 01:35:59,650 3676 01:35:59,650 --> 01:36:01,117 you need to hear, not the information 3677 01:36:01,117 --> 01:36:02,525 information we think you want to 3678 01:36:02,525 --> 01:36:02,525 hear. 3679 01:36:02,525 --> 01:36:02,525 hear. 3680 01:36:02,525 --> 01:36:04,967 so that is our commitment and giving you 3681 01:36:04,967 --> 01:36:07,305 giving you the full picture. 3682 01:36:07,305 --> 01:36:10,426 when we talk about a regional benefit 3683 01:36:10,426 --> 01:36:11,802 benefit and one of the guiding 3684 01:36:11,802 --> 01:36:11,802 3685 01:36:11,802 --> 01:36:14,281 principles as well is that on the 3686 01:36:14,281 --> 01:36:15,523 the whole, we are looking to 3687 01:36:15,523 --> 01:36:19,001 benefit the municipality, that 3688 01:36:19,001 --> 01:36:19,001 3689 01:36:19,001 --> 01:36:20,658 may result in some things 3690 01:36:20,658 --> 01:36:22,988 benefiting a local more or less. 3691 01:36:22,988 --> 01:36:24,820 and again, the transparency around 3692 01:36:24,820 --> 01:36:25,497 around what that looks like needs 3693 01:36:25,497 --> 01:36:26,809 needs to be presented publicly 3694 01:36:26,809 --> 01:36:26,809 3695 01:36:26,809 --> 01:36:28,431 and to council. 3696 01:36:28,431 --> 01:36:29,860 it doesn't mean everyone will 3697 01:36:29,860 --> 01:36:31,345 have equal benefit, but a 3698 01:36:31,345 --> 01:36:32,383 commitment from this 3699 01:36:32,383 --> 01:36:33,366 administration that you will get 3700 01:36:33,366 --> 01:36:33,366 3701 01:36:33,366 --> 01:36:36,716 the full, unadulterated picture 3702 01:36:36,716 --> 01:36:36,716 of 3703 01:36:36,716 --> 01:36:38,756 of what an issue will impact the 3704 01:36:38,756 --> 01:36:38,756 3705 01:36:38,756 --> 01:36:38,756 region. 3706 01:36:38,756 --> 01:36:43,830 >> anyone else? 3707 01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:45,673 in that case, there is a 3708 01:36:45,673 --> 01:36:47,000 recommendation that council 3709 01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:48,110 received the report as 3710 01:36:48,110 --> 01:36:51,283 information and that council 3711 01:36:51,283 --> 01:36:53,535 approved the decision filter 3712 01:36:53,535 --> 01:36:53,535 framework. 3713 01:36:53,535 --> 01:36:57,713 moved by councillor deyong and 3714 01:36:57,713 --> 01:36:57,713 3715 01:36:57,713 --> 01:36:57,713 seconded. 3716 01:36:57,713 --> 01:37:00,591 any further discussion? 3717 01:37:00,591 --> 01:37:02,752 seeing none, then I will ask you 3718 01:37:02,752 --> 01:37:02,752 3719 01:37:02,752 --> 01:37:05,815 to vote electronically please. 3720 01:37:05,815 --> 01:37:05,815 3721 01:37:05,815 --> 01:37:20,106 and that is a thumbs up from 3722 01:37:20,106 --> 01:37:21,173 you, councillor? 3723 01:37:21,173 --> 01:37:24,285 thank you. And 3724 01:37:24,285 --> 01:37:25,676 and that is carried. 3725 01:37:25,676 --> 01:37:28,541 thank you. 3726 01:37:28,541 --> 01:37:32,693 next up, we have the interim 3727 01:37:32,693 --> 01:37:34,769 treasurer services, again, over 3728 01:37:34,769 --> 01:37:34,769 to 3729 01:37:34,769 --> 01:37:36,244 to you, madam cao. 3730 01:37:36,244 --> 01:37:37,676 >> thank you warden, through you 3731 01:37:37,676 --> 01:37:37,676 3732 01:37:37,676 --> 01:37:39,157 to county council. 3733 01:37:39,157 --> 01:37:40,979 a colleague of mine, sonya 3734 01:37:40,979 --> 01:37:43,183 pritchard who was the cao for a 3735 01:37:43,183 --> 01:37:46,214 different county as retired. 3736 01:37:46,214 --> 01:37:47,907 historically, a different county has 3737 01:37:47,907 --> 01:37:49,445 has been the municipality, 3738 01:37:49,445 --> 01:37:51,654 recently to offer the financial 3739 01:37:51,654 --> 01:37:51,654 3740 01:37:51,654 --> 01:37:53,073 back of house services for the 3741 01:37:53,073 --> 01:37:53,073 3742 01:37:53,073 --> 01:37:56,084 western ontario caucus. 3743 01:37:56,084 --> 01:37:58,090 it has come to be known to me, 3744 01:37:58,090 --> 01:37:58,090 3745 01:37:58,090 --> 01:38:00,954 that I believe I am now the only 3746 01:38:00,954 --> 01:38:00,954 cao 3747 01:38:00,954 --> 01:38:03,255 cao who also has a cpa as an 3748 01:38:03,255 --> 01:38:03,255 accountant. 3749 01:38:03,255 --> 01:38:07,937 so I got a tap on the shoulder, 3750 01:38:07,937 --> 01:38:07,937 3751 01:38:07,937 --> 01:38:09,750 would I be interested in 3752 01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:12,932 temporarily taking on sonya's role 3753 01:38:12,932 --> 01:38:14,732 role while they determine a more 3754 01:38:14,732 --> 01:38:14,732 3755 01:38:14,732 --> 01:38:15,822 permanent solution. 3756 01:38:15,822 --> 01:38:19,109 so recognizing that that is a workload 3757 01:38:19,109 --> 01:38:20,107 workload commitment and I 3758 01:38:20,107 --> 01:38:22,334 believe the report indicates the 3759 01:38:22,334 --> 01:38:22,334 3760 01:38:22,334 --> 01:38:24,267 time, it is not huge, but there 3761 01:38:24,267 --> 01:38:24,267 3762 01:38:24,267 --> 01:38:26,889 is some associated with taking 3763 01:38:26,889 --> 01:38:26,889 on 3764 01:38:26,889 --> 01:38:29,717 on the financial records for the 3765 01:38:29,717 --> 01:38:29,717 3766 01:38:29,717 --> 01:38:31,772 caucus, it would involve 3767 01:38:31,772 --> 01:38:32,678 processing some nominal 3768 01:38:32,678 --> 01:38:34,014 transactions and maybe obtaining 3769 01:38:34,014 --> 01:38:34,014 3770 01:38:34,014 --> 01:38:36,675 the records, monitoring revenues 3771 01:38:36,675 --> 01:38:36,675 and 3772 01:38:36,675 --> 01:38:38,113 and expenditures, preparing financial 3773 01:38:38,113 --> 01:38:38,584 financial information for the 3774 01:38:38,584 --> 01:38:40,320 board as required, coordinating 3775 01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:40,320 3776 01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:41,761 with auditors and financial 3777 01:38:41,761 --> 01:38:43,151 institutions and providing 3778 01:38:43,151 --> 01:38:45,239 general financial administrative 3779 01:38:45,239 --> 01:38:45,239 3780 01:38:45,239 --> 01:38:46,273 report, all of which I am quite 3781 01:38:46,273 --> 01:38:46,273 3782 01:38:46,273 --> 01:38:48,446 familiar with. 3783 01:38:48,446 --> 01:38:49,868 and so looking to try to help 3784 01:38:49,868 --> 01:38:52,113 the western ontario wardens 3785 01:38:52,113 --> 01:39:00,686 caucus in that way in that 3786 01:39:00,686 --> 01:39:01,367 scenario, wowc would like that 3787 01:39:01,367 --> 01:39:01,367 3788 01:39:01,367 --> 01:39:02,837 to be more permanent, that could 3789 01:39:02,837 --> 01:39:03,829 also be something I would bring 3790 01:39:03,829 --> 01:39:03,829 back 3791 01:39:03,829 --> 01:39:07,122 back to this group. 3792 01:39:07,122 --> 01:39:19,406 and I believe that because of 3793 01:39:19,406 --> 01:39:21,184 the nominal nature of the work, 3794 01:39:21,184 --> 01:39:21,184 3795 01:39:21,184 --> 01:39:24,036 that is something that I can have 3796 01:39:24,036 --> 01:39:25,233 have conversations with the executive 3797 01:39:25,233 --> 01:39:27,034 executive director on. 3798 01:39:27,034 --> 01:39:29,047 in the county, when we get into 3799 01:39:29,047 --> 01:39:29,047 service 3800 01:39:29,047 --> 01:39:30,101 service arrangements, would like 3801 01:39:30,101 --> 01:39:30,101 3802 01:39:30,101 --> 01:39:31,546 to document them and have them 3803 01:39:31,546 --> 01:39:31,546 3804 01:39:31,546 --> 01:39:32,561 codified in agreement so that 3805 01:39:32,561 --> 01:39:34,394 all parties are clear. 3806 01:39:34,394 --> 01:39:35,988 so while we are not recommending 3807 01:39:35,988 --> 01:39:35,988 3808 01:39:35,988 --> 01:39:37,717 that at this stage, if this was 3809 01:39:37,717 --> 01:39:37,717 something 3810 01:39:37,717 --> 01:39:38,786 something that would become more 3811 01:39:38,786 --> 01:39:39,850 permanent, I would be bringing 3812 01:39:39,850 --> 01:39:41,612 that back to council with likely 3813 01:39:41,612 --> 01:39:41,612 a 3814 01:39:41,612 --> 01:39:43,477 a recommendation that it be 3815 01:39:43,477 --> 01:39:45,377 formalized in an agreement to 3816 01:39:45,377 --> 01:39:48,606 protect both parties. 3817 01:39:48,606 --> 01:39:52,544 and we ask that you support the 3818 01:39:52,544 --> 01:39:52,544 3819 01:39:52,544 --> 01:39:54,685 interim position and if there are 3820 01:39:54,685 --> 01:39:55,783 are any questions, I would be 3821 01:39:55,783 --> 01:39:57,380 happy to answer them. 3822 01:39:57,380 --> 01:39:58,712 >> questions? 3823 01:39:58,712 --> 01:40:01,021 councillor deyong? >> 3824 01:40:01,021 --> 01:40:02,392 >> what does that mean temporary? 3825 01:40:02,392 --> 01:40:02,392 >> what does that mean temporary? 3826 01:40:02,392 --> 01:40:04,283 six months, two years? 3827 01:40:04,283 --> 01:40:06,975 just curious what the timeline 3828 01:40:06,975 --> 01:40:06,975 3829 01:40:06,975 --> 01:40:07,182 is. >> 3830 01:40:07,182 --> 01:40:09,473 >> through you warden, that is 3831 01:40:09,473 --> 01:40:09,523 a 3832 01:40:09,523 --> 01:40:11,664 good question. 3833 01:40:11,664 --> 01:40:15,796 I'm guessing this will go to the 3834 01:40:15,796 --> 01:40:15,796 next 3835 01:40:15,796 --> 01:40:16,827 next caucus meeting, which I 3836 01:40:16,827 --> 01:40:18,621 believe is friday. 3837 01:40:18,621 --> 01:40:20,093 so I hope to have more 3838 01:40:20,093 --> 01:40:23,268 information after that. 3839 01:40:23,268 --> 01:40:25,051 >> anyone else? 3840 01:40:25,051 --> 01:40:26,723 in that case there is a 3841 01:40:26,723 --> 01:40:27,716 recommendation that council 3842 01:40:27,716 --> 01:40:28,774 received the report as information 3843 01:40:28,774 --> 01:40:29,753 information and that council 3844 01:40:29,753 --> 01:40:32,762 authorizes the cao to provide 3845 01:40:32,762 --> 01:40:33,443 interim treasurer services to 3846 01:40:33,443 --> 01:40:35,591 the western ontario wardens 3847 01:40:35,591 --> 01:40:39,186 caucus until such time as wowc 3848 01:40:39,186 --> 01:40:39,186 3849 01:40:39,186 --> 01:40:41,175 appoints a permanent treasurer. 3850 01:40:41,175 --> 01:40:41,175 3851 01:40:41,175 --> 01:40:43,439 moved and seconded. 3852 01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:46,475 any other discussion? 3853 01:40:46,475 --> 01:40:48,761 seeing none, I will ask you to 3854 01:40:48,761 --> 01:40:48,761 vote 3855 01:40:48,761 --> 01:40:50,324 vote electronically please. 3856 01:40:50,324 --> 01:40:52,549 and councillor mcnamara is in 3857 01:40:52,549 --> 01:40:52,549 favour. 3858 01:40:52,549 --> 01:41:12,871 and that is carried, thank you 3859 01:41:12,871 --> 01:41:12,871 . 3860 01:41:12,871 --> 01:41:15,857 next we have the information 3861 01:41:15,857 --> 01:41:19,156 technology services of the 2025 annual 3862 01:41:19,156 --> 01:41:21,060 annual departmental update. Turning 3863 01:41:21,060 --> 01:41:22,515 turning it over to daryl, our 3864 01:41:22,515 --> 01:41:23,359 director of information 3865 01:41:23,359 --> 01:41:24,416 technology services. 3866 01:41:24,416 --> 01:41:24,416 daryl? 3867 01:41:24,416 --> 01:41:26,335 >> thank you. 3868 01:41:26,335 --> 01:41:28,043 and through you warden, to 3869 01:41:28,043 --> 01:41:29,545 county council, I would like to 3870 01:41:29,545 --> 01:41:30,974 walk you through the it 3871 01:41:30,974 --> 01:41:33,706 department's 2025 annual report. 3872 01:41:33,706 --> 01:41:33,706 3873 01:41:33,706 --> 01:41:35,973 where technology stands, what we 3874 01:41:35,973 --> 01:41:35,973 have 3875 01:41:35,973 --> 01:41:37,721 have accomplished in 2025, and 3876 01:41:37,721 --> 01:41:37,721 to 3877 01:41:37,721 --> 01:41:38,905 to give a glimpse into where we 3878 01:41:38,905 --> 01:41:38,905 3879 01:41:38,905 --> 01:41:40,126 are headed next. 3880 01:41:40,126 --> 01:41:41,736 first, I want to acknowledge the 3881 01:41:41,736 --> 01:41:41,736 3882 01:41:41,736 --> 01:41:44,546 work of the it team in 2025. 3883 01:41:44,546 --> 01:41:45,962 I am incredibly proud of what this 3884 01:41:45,962 --> 01:41:47,434 this team has been able to 3885 01:41:47,434 --> 01:41:50,384 accomplish in their dedication 3886 01:41:50,384 --> 01:41:50,384 to 3887 01:41:50,384 --> 01:41:52,852 to the work of the county. 3888 01:41:52,852 --> 01:41:54,730 2025 was a big year on the 3889 01:41:54,730 --> 01:41:55,304 security front. 3890 01:41:55,304 --> 01:41:57,184 at the beginning of the year we 3891 01:41:57,184 --> 01:41:59,367 implemented our detection and response 3892 01:41:59,367 --> 01:42:00,452 response service in partnership 3893 01:42:00,452 --> 01:42:00,501 with tell 3894 01:42:00,501 --> 01:42:03,054 with tell us and field effect. 3895 01:42:03,054 --> 01:42:04,380 almost immediately, it allowed 3896 01:42:04,380 --> 01:42:04,380 our 3897 01:42:04,380 --> 01:42:06,174 our team to flag high priority 3898 01:42:06,174 --> 01:42:06,174 3899 01:42:06,174 --> 01:42:08,698 threats roughly every ten days 3900 01:42:08,698 --> 01:42:08,698 3901 01:42:08,698 --> 01:42:10,815 and monitor approximately 430 3902 01:42:10,815 --> 01:42:12,602 devices around the clock. 3903 01:42:12,602 --> 01:42:15,761 additionally, through our 3904 01:42:15,761 --> 01:42:18,969 programme, the it team delivered 3905 01:42:18,969 --> 01:42:18,969 mandatory 3906 01:42:18,969 --> 01:42:20,194 mandatory cybersecurity awareness 3907 01:42:20,194 --> 01:42:21,610 awareness campaigns to county 3908 01:42:21,610 --> 01:42:23,399 staff with full compliance on 3909 01:42:23,399 --> 01:42:26,294 all training requirements. 3910 01:42:26,294 --> 01:42:28,103 on the service side, our team 3911 01:42:28,103 --> 01:42:30,933 supported more than 1100 users, 3912 01:42:30,933 --> 01:42:30,933 3913 01:42:30,933 --> 01:42:33,867 over 800 devices and 17 3914 01:42:33,867 --> 01:42:36,708 locations, resolving more than 3915 01:42:36,708 --> 01:42:36,708 6400 3916 01:42:36,708 --> 01:42:39,604 6400 requests in 2025, most 3917 01:42:39,604 --> 01:42:42,394 within eight business hours. 3918 01:42:42,394 --> 01:42:44,628 he also modernized how the 3919 01:42:44,628 --> 01:42:46,449 county works. 3920 01:42:46,449 --> 01:42:51,756 the microsoft 365 rollout 3921 01:42:51,756 --> 01:42:52,613 including 5.6 million emails and 3922 01:42:52,613 --> 01:42:54,381 files to the file. 3923 01:42:54,381 --> 01:42:56,808 including -- improving security, 3924 01:42:56,808 --> 01:42:56,808 enabling 3925 01:42:56,808 --> 01:42:57,441 enabling synchronous 3926 01:42:57,441 --> 01:42:58,659 collaboration and cutting 3927 01:42:58,659 --> 01:43:02,034 approximately 144 hours of annual 3928 01:43:02,034 --> 01:43:03,900 annual management. 3929 01:43:03,900 --> 01:43:06,570 in the fall, it invites a ten week 3930 01:43:06,570 --> 01:43:08,368 week competition based project 3931 01:43:08,368 --> 01:43:08,368 between 3932 01:43:08,368 --> 01:43:10,024 between departments, removed 3933 01:43:10,024 --> 01:43:14,522 more than 787000 outdated 3934 01:43:14,522 --> 01:43:15,837 records, freeing up over two 3935 01:43:15,837 --> 01:43:17,385 terabytes of storage. 3936 01:43:17,385 --> 01:43:20,244 and behind the scenes, it kept 3937 01:43:20,244 --> 01:43:20,244 21 3938 01:43:20,244 --> 01:43:22,051 21 council meetings running, 3939 01:43:22,051 --> 01:43:23,070 mostly smoothly. 3940 01:43:23,070 --> 01:43:24,875 supported emergency and 3941 01:43:24,875 --> 01:43:25,984 community events and 3942 01:43:25,984 --> 01:43:26,956 reestablished regular 3943 01:43:26,956 --> 01:43:28,737 collaboration with the regional 3944 01:43:28,737 --> 01:43:28,737 3945 01:43:28,737 --> 01:43:29,564 municipal partners. 3946 01:43:29,564 --> 01:43:31,435 I would be remiss not to 3947 01:43:31,435 --> 01:43:32,388 acknowledge the technical 3948 01:43:32,388 --> 01:43:33,772 difficulties we have experienced 3949 01:43:33,772 --> 01:43:33,772 over 3950 01:43:33,772 --> 01:43:36,264 over the last few months and I 3951 01:43:36,264 --> 01:43:37,323 want you to know we are working 3952 01:43:37,323 --> 01:43:39,531 towards long term solutions for 3953 01:43:39,531 --> 01:43:39,531 3954 01:43:39,531 --> 01:43:41,312 our 2027 budget. 3955 01:43:41,312 --> 01:43:43,217 looking ahead, our biggest challenge 3956 01:43:43,217 --> 01:43:44,573 challenge isn't a single threat, 3957 01:43:44,573 --> 01:43:44,573 3958 01:43:44,573 --> 01:43:46,648 it is pace and scope. 3959 01:43:46,648 --> 01:43:48,338 artificial intelligence is moving 3960 01:43:48,338 --> 01:43:49,245 moving faster than governance 3961 01:43:49,245 --> 01:43:52,150 can keep up, and only about a third of 3962 01:43:52,150 --> 01:43:53,213 third of our workforce currently 3963 01:43:53,213 --> 01:43:55,719 received cybersecurity awareness 3964 01:43:55,719 --> 01:43:55,719 3965 01:43:55,719 --> 01:43:55,719 training. 3966 01:43:55,719 --> 01:43:57,511 we are planning to address these 3967 01:43:57,511 --> 01:44:00,827 gaps in the 2027 budget as well. 3968 01:44:00,827 --> 01:44:00,827 3969 01:44:00,827 --> 01:44:02,944 the information you will find in 3970 01:44:02,944 --> 01:44:04,734 the appendix helps summarize the 3971 01:44:04,734 --> 01:44:04,734 3972 01:44:04,734 --> 01:44:06,587 future vision of the I.t. 3973 01:44:06,587 --> 01:44:08,969 organization for the county. 3974 01:44:08,969 --> 01:44:10,813 it lays out a path from where it 3975 01:44:10,813 --> 01:44:10,813 3976 01:44:10,813 --> 01:44:12,674 sits today, centrally setting 3977 01:44:12,674 --> 01:44:15,217 security and systems standards 3978 01:44:15,217 --> 01:44:15,217 3979 01:44:15,217 --> 01:44:16,708 while selection and 3980 01:44:16,708 --> 01:44:18,492 administration stays primarily 3981 01:44:18,492 --> 01:44:20,484 in each department. 3982 01:44:20,484 --> 01:44:22,354 towards a fully centralized 3983 01:44:22,354 --> 01:44:24,319 model, one set of standards, one 3984 01:44:24,319 --> 01:44:27,036 set of systems and one department 3985 01:44:27,036 --> 01:44:27,856 department accountable for 3986 01:44:27,856 --> 01:44:29,258 security, performance and 3987 01:44:29,258 --> 01:44:31,268 governance end-to-end, allowing 3988 01:44:31,268 --> 01:44:31,268 our 3989 01:44:31,268 --> 01:44:33,900 our systems to become less de 3990 01:44:33,900 --> 01:44:35,893 optimized and more optimized. 3991 01:44:35,893 --> 01:44:38,185 all of this was delivered by a 3992 01:44:38,185 --> 01:44:41,406 lean team of ten. 3993 01:44:41,406 --> 01:44:44,158 finally, thank you to our network 3994 01:44:44,158 --> 01:44:45,997 network administrator and our 3995 01:44:45,997 --> 01:44:47,439 interim city manager for doing 3996 01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:49,619 much of the legwork on this 3997 01:44:49,619 --> 01:44:49,619 report. 3998 01:44:49,619 --> 01:44:52,198 I thank you for your time and the 3999 01:44:52,198 --> 01:44:52,955 the opportunity to share this 4000 01:44:52,955 --> 01:44:54,552 with you and I'm happy to take 4001 01:44:54,552 --> 01:44:54,552 4002 01:44:54,552 --> 01:44:55,979 any questions. 4003 01:44:55,979 --> 01:44:57,249 >> thank you daryl. 4004 01:44:57,249 --> 01:45:00,340 any questions? 4005 01:45:00,340 --> 01:45:05,867 >> I don't really have a question 4006 01:45:05,867 --> 01:45:06,662 question but a statement. 4007 01:45:06,662 --> 01:45:08,447 I was expecting a really long 4008 01:45:08,447 --> 01:45:09,503 presentation, because there was 4009 01:45:09,503 --> 01:45:09,503 a 4010 01:45:09,503 --> 01:45:10,488 a lot of attachments. 4011 01:45:10,488 --> 01:45:12,697 so great presentation, it was very 4012 01:45:12,697 --> 01:45:14,104 very informative. Seeing 4013 01:45:14,104 --> 01:45:15,930 seeing some of those numbers are 4014 01:45:15,930 --> 01:45:15,930 very 4015 01:45:15,930 --> 01:45:17,784 very staggering. 4016 01:45:17,784 --> 01:45:19,144 you guys really have a hold on 4017 01:45:19,144 --> 01:45:19,144 that 4018 01:45:19,144 --> 01:45:20,175 that department, congratulations 4019 01:45:20,175 --> 01:45:20,226 to you 4020 01:45:20,226 --> 01:45:21,610 to you and the team. >> thank you 4021 01:45:21,610 --> 01:45:23,842 >> thank you very much. 4022 01:45:23,842 --> 01:45:25,312 >> expecting it to be a lot more 4023 01:45:25,312 --> 01:45:27,868 boring, you did a great job. 4024 01:45:27,868 --> 01:45:30,159 >> I will keep that in mind. >> 4025 01:45:30,159 --> 01:45:30,159 >> seriously. 4026 01:45:30,159 --> 01:45:33,174 I go back to what councillor meloche 4027 01:45:33,174 --> 01:45:34,613 meloche said, really interesting 4028 01:45:34,613 --> 01:45:34,613 4029 01:45:34,613 --> 01:45:34,613 information. 4030 01:45:34,613 --> 01:45:36,305 really, when I thought it came 4031 01:45:36,305 --> 01:45:38,514 up before I read it, I thought 4032 01:45:38,514 --> 01:45:38,514 this 4033 01:45:38,514 --> 01:45:40,509 this is a yawning, but it 4034 01:45:40,509 --> 01:45:40,509 wasn't. 4035 01:45:40,509 --> 01:45:42,182 this is interesting, thank you 4036 01:45:42,182 --> 01:45:42,182 4037 01:45:42,182 --> 01:45:43,181 for that. 4038 01:45:43,181 --> 01:45:45,758 and kudos to your department. >> thank you 4039 01:45:45,758 --> 01:45:46,568 >> thank you very much. 4040 01:45:46,568 --> 01:45:49,303 I'm happy to hear it wasn't bad. 4041 01:45:49,303 --> 01:45:49,303 4042 01:45:49,303 --> 01:45:49,303 [laughs] 4043 01:45:49,303 --> 01:45:54,351 >> so with that, anyone else? There 4044 01:45:54,351 --> 01:45:55,834 there is a recommendation that 4045 01:45:55,834 --> 01:45:57,652 council receive the report as 4046 01:45:57,652 --> 01:45:57,652 information. 4047 01:45:57,652 --> 01:46:01,507 moved by councillor prue, 4048 01:46:01,507 --> 01:46:03,348 seconded by councillor shipley. 4049 01:46:03,348 --> 01:46:04,423 any discussion? 4050 01:46:04,423 --> 01:46:05,897 I will ask you to vote 4051 01:46:05,897 --> 01:46:08,887 electronically please. 4052 01:46:08,887 --> 01:46:17,014 thank you for the thumbs up councillor 4053 01:46:17,014 --> 01:46:19,068 councillor mcnamara. 4054 01:46:19,068 --> 01:46:38,859 next we have the residential 4055 01:46:38,859 --> 01:46:46,837 services homes report we have our 4056 01:46:46,837 --> 01:46:47,866 our manager of community 4057 01:46:47,866 --> 01:46:51,314 services, over to you. 4058 01:46:51,314 --> 01:46:57,253 >> good evening warden and 4059 01:46:57,253 --> 01:46:58,355 members of county council. 4060 01:46:58,355 --> 01:47:01,512 the purpose of my report this 4061 01:47:01,512 --> 01:47:03,720 evening is to seek county council 4062 01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:05,402 council approval to enter into 4063 01:47:05,402 --> 01:47:05,453 a 4064 01:47:05,453 --> 01:47:11,103 service agreement with a group 4065 01:47:11,103 --> 01:47:11,103 4066 01:47:11,103 --> 01:47:15,320 that intends to purchase one of their 4067 01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:17,721 their service homes providers. 4068 01:47:17,721 --> 01:47:17,721 4069 01:47:17,721 --> 01:47:19,558 new beginnings rest home is 4070 01:47:19,558 --> 01:47:21,976 located in leamington and is 4071 01:47:21,976 --> 01:47:23,069 currently operating as a 4072 01:47:23,069 --> 01:47:25,674 residential services home and a 4073 01:47:25,674 --> 01:47:27,456 retirement home. 4074 01:47:27,456 --> 01:47:29,288 they provide residential care to 4075 01:47:29,288 --> 01:47:29,288 a 4076 01:47:29,288 --> 01:47:33,203 a total of 45 residents, 36 of 4077 01:47:33,203 --> 01:47:35,340 whom are subsidized by the 4078 01:47:35,340 --> 01:47:35,340 county. 4079 01:47:35,340 --> 01:47:39,959 the home is also registered with 4080 01:47:39,959 --> 01:47:39,959 a 4081 01:47:39,959 --> 01:47:42,195 a retirement home regulatory 4082 01:47:42,195 --> 01:47:44,233 authority, which provides 4083 01:47:44,233 --> 01:47:45,677 oversight of the private pay residents 4084 01:47:45,677 --> 01:47:47,456 residents that are not supported 4085 01:47:47,456 --> 01:47:47,456 and 4086 01:47:47,456 --> 01:47:50,449 and subsidized by the county. 4087 01:47:50,449 --> 01:47:53,682 in june of 2026 the county was 4088 01:47:53,682 --> 01:47:53,682 advised 4089 01:47:53,682 --> 01:47:54,935 advised that the current owner 4090 01:47:54,935 --> 01:47:54,985 of new 4091 01:47:54,985 --> 01:47:57,220 of new beginnings rest home had 4092 01:47:57,220 --> 01:48:01,582 accepted a conditional offer 4093 01:48:01,582 --> 01:48:03,332 from khanda nand inc., with two of the 4094 01:48:03,332 --> 01:48:05,044 of the outstanding conditions 4095 01:48:05,044 --> 01:48:08,283 being the rh a. Licensing and 4096 01:48:08,283 --> 01:48:09,739 county approval. 4097 01:48:09,739 --> 01:48:11,506 the buyer initiated a meeting with 4098 01:48:11,506 --> 01:48:12,585 with the county stating its 4099 01:48:12,585 --> 01:48:15,160 intent to purchase the property 4100 01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:15,160 and 4101 01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:17,222 and confirming its desire to continue 4102 01:48:17,222 --> 01:48:18,460 continue operating the home as 4103 01:48:18,460 --> 01:48:20,854 part of the residential services 4104 01:48:20,854 --> 01:48:20,854 4105 01:48:20,854 --> 01:48:22,321 homes programme. 4106 01:48:22,321 --> 01:48:25,321 the county met with a buyer on 4107 01:48:25,321 --> 01:48:25,321 two 4108 01:48:25,321 --> 01:48:26,404 two occasions to review the 4109 01:48:26,404 --> 01:48:29,230 intentions and long term plan 4110 01:48:29,230 --> 01:48:31,777 related to the purchase of the 4111 01:48:31,777 --> 01:48:31,777 4112 01:48:31,777 --> 01:48:31,777 property. 4113 01:48:31,777 --> 01:48:33,515 during these meetings it was 4114 01:48:33,515 --> 01:48:35,088 confirmed that there will be no 4115 01:48:35,088 --> 01:48:39,666 disruptions to the care provided 4116 01:48:39,666 --> 01:48:39,666 to 4117 01:48:39,666 --> 01:48:41,479 to the residents that live 4118 01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:41,479 there. 4119 01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:44,288 in addition, the buyer has confirmed 4120 01:48:44,288 --> 01:48:45,358 confirmed that they will 4121 01:48:45,358 --> 01:48:49,307 contract with the current owner 4122 01:48:49,307 --> 01:48:49,307 4123 01:48:49,307 --> 01:48:50,376 to continue operating the home 4124 01:48:50,376 --> 01:48:50,376 4125 01:48:50,376 --> 01:48:50,844 for a. 4126 01:48:50,844 --> 01:48:54,000 of three months, to transition 4127 01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:54,000 4128 01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:55,486 and to ensure current 4129 01:48:55,486 --> 01:48:57,305 functioning and consistency and 4130 01:48:57,305 --> 01:48:59,650 care to the residents. 4131 01:48:59,650 --> 01:49:01,551 in addition, being that the home 4132 01:49:01,551 --> 01:49:01,551 4133 01:49:01,551 --> 01:49:03,334 is a registered retirement home, 4134 01:49:03,334 --> 01:49:03,334 4135 01:49:03,334 --> 01:49:05,214 the buyer had to meet various 4136 01:49:05,214 --> 01:49:06,646 educational and staffing 4137 01:49:06,646 --> 01:49:08,398 requirements in order to be approved 4138 01:49:08,398 --> 01:49:10,224 approved for their license. 4139 01:49:10,224 --> 01:49:12,068 they have been informed 4140 01:49:12,068 --> 01:49:13,781 verbally, as of today, that they 4141 01:49:13,781 --> 01:49:17,356 have met all requirements and 4142 01:49:17,356 --> 01:49:18,674 are awaiting receipt of the 4143 01:49:18,674 --> 01:49:20,301 official license. 4144 01:49:20,301 --> 01:49:22,407 there are no financial impacts 4145 01:49:22,407 --> 01:49:22,407 to 4146 01:49:22,407 --> 01:49:23,839 to the community services budget 4147 01:49:23,839 --> 01:49:23,839 to 4148 01:49:23,839 --> 01:49:24,933 to enter into an agreement with 4149 01:49:24,933 --> 01:49:26,694 the new owner once the sale of the 4150 01:49:26,694 --> 01:49:28,930 the home is finalized. 4151 01:49:28,930 --> 01:49:31,078 with that, I am happy to take 4152 01:49:31,078 --> 01:49:32,411 any questions. >> 4153 01:49:32,411 --> 01:49:32,812 >> thank you. 4154 01:49:32,812 --> 01:49:32,812 questions? 4155 01:49:32,812 --> 01:49:35,384 councillor shapley? 4156 01:49:35,384 --> 01:49:36,822 >> thank you and through you 4157 01:49:36,822 --> 01:49:37,479 madam warden. 4158 01:49:37,479 --> 01:49:40,046 I'm just wondering? 4159 01:49:40,046 --> 01:49:41,309 with this being a new company, 4160 01:49:41,309 --> 01:49:41,309 4161 01:49:41,309 --> 01:49:42,927 they don't really have a new track record 4162 01:49:42,927 --> 01:49:43,846 track record for you to fall 4163 01:49:43,846 --> 01:49:46,715 back on. What 4164 01:49:46,715 --> 01:49:48,753 what is the administration's confidence 4165 01:49:48,753 --> 01:49:53,635 confidence level with them and 4166 01:49:53,635 --> 01:49:53,635 -- 4167 01:49:53,635 --> 01:49:54,655 -- what else was there? 4168 01:49:54,655 --> 01:49:59,692 I guess that's about it. 4169 01:49:59,692 --> 01:50:01,891 they already said there would be 4170 01:50:01,891 --> 01:50:01,891 no 4171 01:50:01,891 --> 01:50:02,907 no interruptions for the 4172 01:50:02,907 --> 01:50:02,907 residents. 4173 01:50:02,907 --> 01:50:05,238 I'm just wondering if you can 4174 01:50:05,238 --> 01:50:08,403 speak to any track record or anything 4175 01:50:08,403 --> 01:50:11,412 anything to help you come to 4176 01:50:11,412 --> 01:50:13,220 that. >> 4177 01:50:13,220 --> 01:50:14,657 >> really good question. 4178 01:50:14,657 --> 01:50:15,828 as I mentioned in my speaking 4179 01:50:15,828 --> 01:50:18,059 notes, we had a few meetings with 4180 01:50:18,059 --> 01:50:21,085 with the new owner to discuss 4181 01:50:21,085 --> 01:50:22,443 their skills, their experience, 4182 01:50:22,443 --> 01:50:22,443 4183 01:50:22,443 --> 01:50:25,892 what their plans are. 4184 01:50:25,892 --> 01:50:28,189 and one thing I didn't include 4185 01:50:28,189 --> 01:50:30,172 in my speaking notes, was that 4186 01:50:30,172 --> 01:50:30,172 4187 01:50:30,172 --> 01:50:31,119 all three family members that 4188 01:50:31,119 --> 01:50:32,530 will be heavily involved in 4189 01:50:32,530 --> 01:50:34,580 operating the home have 4190 01:50:34,580 --> 01:50:38,492 experience in working within or 4191 01:50:38,492 --> 01:50:38,492 4192 01:50:38,492 --> 01:50:39,735 helping operate similar 4193 01:50:39,735 --> 01:50:43,147 facilities in other regions. 4194 01:50:43,147 --> 01:50:45,409 being specifically in 4195 01:50:45,409 --> 01:50:49,189 saskatchewan and also the u.k. 4196 01:50:49,189 --> 01:50:49,189 4197 01:50:49,189 --> 01:50:51,240 one of the owners is a 4198 01:50:51,240 --> 01:50:55,815 pharmacist by trade, and his wife 4199 01:50:55,815 --> 01:50:57,651 wife is a registered health care 4200 01:50:57,651 --> 01:50:57,651 4201 01:50:57,651 --> 01:50:57,651 professional. 4202 01:50:57,651 --> 01:51:01,139 and the daughter who hopes to 4203 01:51:01,139 --> 01:51:06,666 eventually be the sole owner, is 4204 01:51:06,666 --> 01:51:06,666 currently 4205 01:51:06,666 --> 01:51:07,274 currently undertaking her nursing 4206 01:51:07,274 --> 01:51:08,776 nursing degree at the local 4207 01:51:08,776 --> 01:51:08,776 university. 4208 01:51:08,776 --> 01:51:15,739 so we did our due diligence in 4209 01:51:15,739 --> 01:51:15,739 4210 01:51:15,739 --> 01:51:17,160 vetting the expertise and the 4211 01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:19,198 skills and experience of. 4212 01:51:19,198 --> 01:51:21,356 the other thing we did is we 4213 01:51:21,356 --> 01:51:22,802 reviewed our -- we always do this 4214 01:51:22,802 --> 01:51:24,233 this if there is a new 4215 01:51:24,233 --> 01:51:26,049 ownership, we review our 4216 01:51:26,049 --> 01:51:27,480 programme standards. 4217 01:51:27,480 --> 01:51:29,365 we will continue monitoring the 4218 01:51:29,365 --> 01:51:31,804 home, usually when we have a new 4219 01:51:31,804 --> 01:51:31,804 4220 01:51:31,804 --> 01:51:34,298 operator, we ensure that we 4221 01:51:34,298 --> 01:51:36,048 continue our due diligence with 4222 01:51:36,048 --> 01:51:36,048 4223 01:51:36,048 --> 01:51:37,519 regular visits and ensuring that 4224 01:51:37,519 --> 01:51:37,519 4225 01:51:37,519 --> 01:51:39,344 all of our standards are being 4226 01:51:39,344 --> 01:51:39,344 4227 01:51:39,344 --> 01:51:39,344 met. 4228 01:51:39,344 --> 01:51:41,801 >> thank you for that, I'm glad 4229 01:51:41,801 --> 01:51:41,801 to 4230 01:51:41,801 --> 01:51:43,939 to hear it will remain open, 4231 01:51:43,939 --> 01:51:44,283 thank you. 4232 01:51:44,283 --> 01:51:47,290 >> anyone else? 4233 01:51:47,290 --> 01:51:48,879 councillor meloche. >> 4234 01:51:48,879 --> 01:51:50,001 >> in your report you do mention 4235 01:51:50,001 --> 01:51:50,051 that there 4236 01:51:50,051 --> 01:51:51,254 that there will be no 4237 01:51:51,254 --> 01:51:53,075 disruptions to the care being 4238 01:51:53,075 --> 01:51:54,123 provided to residents. But 4239 01:51:54,123 --> 01:51:55,554 but then at the end of that 4240 01:51:55,554 --> 01:51:56,265 paragraph, does mention that 4241 01:51:56,265 --> 01:51:58,031 they are going to keep a portion 4242 01:51:58,031 --> 01:51:58,031 of 4243 01:51:58,031 --> 01:52:01,128 of the current staff. 4244 01:52:01,128 --> 01:52:03,145 is that a reduction in service 4245 01:52:03,145 --> 01:52:04,526 or why would we see such a 4246 01:52:04,526 --> 01:52:05,896 change in staff. 4247 01:52:05,896 --> 01:52:07,722 that is something that can 4248 01:52:07,722 --> 01:52:10,829 disrupt obviously, the home. 4249 01:52:10,829 --> 01:52:13,451 >> thank you for your question 4250 01:52:13,451 --> 01:52:13,451 and 4251 01:52:13,451 --> 01:52:14,458 and through you warden. 4252 01:52:14,458 --> 01:52:16,243 any time there is a change in 4253 01:52:16,243 --> 01:52:19,258 ownership, with one of our 4254 01:52:19,258 --> 01:52:22,756 homes, the old owner has to lay 4255 01:52:22,756 --> 01:52:22,756 4256 01:52:22,756 --> 01:52:24,910 off staff and the new owner has 4257 01:52:24,910 --> 01:52:24,910 to 4258 01:52:24,910 --> 01:52:27,497 to rehire the staff. 4259 01:52:27,497 --> 01:52:31,139 so their plan is to keep a large 4260 01:52:31,139 --> 01:52:31,139 4261 01:52:31,139 --> 01:52:34,353 portion of the staff and then rehire 4262 01:52:34,353 --> 01:52:37,620 rehire to fill the gaps the 4263 01:52:37,620 --> 01:52:41,005 level of staffing will not 4264 01:52:41,005 --> 01:52:42,851 change and in fact one of the 4265 01:52:42,851 --> 01:52:46,891 requirements for the hra is for 4266 01:52:46,891 --> 01:52:46,891 4267 01:52:46,891 --> 01:52:50,898 them to hire a manager of the 4268 01:52:50,898 --> 01:52:52,853 home that had extensive 4269 01:52:52,853 --> 01:52:55,124 expertise in running retirement 4270 01:52:55,124 --> 01:52:55,124 4271 01:52:55,124 --> 01:52:56,942 homes or in working within a 4272 01:52:56,942 --> 01:52:59,951 retirement home environment. 4273 01:52:59,951 --> 01:53:04,889 they had very extensive questions 4274 01:53:04,889 --> 01:53:06,682 questions and the process was very 4275 01:53:06,682 --> 01:53:09,743 very thorough for them to 4276 01:53:09,743 --> 01:53:11,747 approve who would be managing the 4277 01:53:11,747 --> 01:53:13,374 the home as well. 4278 01:53:13,374 --> 01:53:15,254 so we verified the level of 4279 01:53:15,254 --> 01:53:16,643 service, that is the standard 4280 01:53:16,643 --> 01:53:19,906 with our programme standards. 4281 01:53:19,906 --> 01:53:21,294 so they are not going to be able 4282 01:53:21,294 --> 01:53:21,294 4283 01:53:21,294 --> 01:53:24,325 to reduce that. 4284 01:53:24,325 --> 01:53:27,932 and we hope that the more staff 4285 01:53:27,932 --> 01:53:27,932 4286 01:53:27,932 --> 01:53:29,625 they can keep, the better for 4287 01:53:29,625 --> 01:53:31,746 consistency of care and for the 4288 01:53:31,746 --> 01:53:31,746 4289 01:53:31,746 --> 01:53:31,746 residents. 4290 01:53:31,746 --> 01:53:35,466 but that remains to be seen of who 4291 01:53:35,466 --> 01:53:37,921 who the actual staff will be at 4292 01:53:37,921 --> 01:53:40,343 the end. 4293 01:53:40,343 --> 01:53:42,864 >> thank you. 4294 01:53:42,864 --> 01:53:42,864 natasha? 4295 01:53:42,864 --> 01:53:45,786 >> through you warden, I might 4296 01:53:45,786 --> 01:53:45,786 just 4297 01:53:45,786 --> 01:53:47,190 just add for comfort of council 4298 01:53:47,190 --> 01:53:47,190 4299 01:53:47,190 --> 01:53:51,294 and those listening to night, that while 4300 01:53:51,294 --> 01:53:52,251 that while it is not the same, 4301 01:53:52,251 --> 01:53:52,251 4302 01:53:52,251 --> 01:53:53,701 it is similar to expectations you may 4303 01:53:53,701 --> 01:53:55,479 you may see in long term care. 4304 01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:55,479 4305 01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:57,354 in that they are a regulated 4306 01:53:57,354 --> 01:53:59,144 organization and are specific to 4307 01:53:59,144 --> 01:53:59,144 ontario 4308 01:53:59,144 --> 01:54:00,680 ontario as a form of quality of 4309 01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:02,286 care, staffing, medication 4310 01:54:02,286 --> 01:54:04,088 administration, policies, 4311 01:54:04,088 --> 01:54:05,606 practices, best practice 4312 01:54:05,606 --> 01:54:05,606 guidelines. 4313 01:54:05,606 --> 01:54:08,393 they are in compliance with what 4314 01:54:08,393 --> 01:54:08,393 4315 01:54:08,393 --> 01:54:11,622 we would expect to see in a 4316 01:54:11,622 --> 01:54:12,843 regulated health environment, 4317 01:54:12,843 --> 01:54:14,284 just wanted to add that, 4318 01:54:14,284 --> 01:54:15,690 thank you. >> thank you. 4319 01:54:15,690 --> 01:54:15,690 thank you. >> thank you. 4320 01:54:15,690 --> 01:54:18,512 no one else? 4321 01:54:18,512 --> 01:54:19,921 then there is a recommendation 4322 01:54:19,921 --> 01:54:19,921 4323 01:54:19,921 --> 01:54:21,725 that council receive the report 4324 01:54:21,725 --> 01:54:21,775 as information 4325 01:54:21,775 --> 01:54:22,820 as information and that council 4326 01:54:22,820 --> 01:54:24,180 authorizes the warden and clerk 4327 01:54:24,180 --> 01:54:24,180 4328 01:54:24,180 --> 01:54:28,967 to execute a service agreement 4329 01:54:28,967 --> 01:54:28,967 4330 01:54:28,967 --> 01:54:31,498 with khanda nand inc. At 106 4331 01:54:31,498 --> 01:54:33,285 talbot street leamington as part 4332 01:54:33,285 --> 01:54:33,285 of 4333 01:54:33,285 --> 01:54:34,753 of the county's residential 4334 01:54:34,753 --> 01:54:35,770 services homes programme upon 4335 01:54:35,770 --> 01:54:37,215 completion of the purchase of 4336 01:54:37,215 --> 01:54:38,920 that property. 4337 01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:41,560 moved by councillor meloche, 4338 01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:43,278 seconded by deputy warden. 4339 01:54:43,278 --> 01:54:45,009 any further discussion? 4340 01:54:45,009 --> 01:54:46,555 I will ask you to vote 4341 01:54:46,555 --> 01:54:49,675 electronically please. 4342 01:54:49,675 --> 01:54:57,049 and again, councillor 4343 01:54:57,049 --> 01:54:58,801 mcnamara, thumbs up? 4344 01:54:58,801 --> 01:55:01,449 thank you. 4345 01:55:01,449 --> 01:55:08,656 and that is carried, thank you 4346 01:55:08,656 --> 01:55:08,656 . 4347 01:55:08,656 --> 01:55:11,348 next we have the 2026 build 4348 01:55:11,348 --> 01:55:13,503 communities strong fund, 4349 01:55:13,503 --> 01:55:14,515 community stream funding 4350 01:55:14,515 --> 01:55:14,515 allocation. 4351 01:55:14,515 --> 01:55:17,498 for that report we have melissa 4352 01:55:17,498 --> 01:55:17,498 4353 01:55:17,498 --> 01:55:19,004 ryan, our director of financial 4354 01:55:19,004 --> 01:55:20,385 services and our treasurer. 4355 01:55:20,385 --> 01:55:20,385 melissa? 4356 01:55:20,385 --> 01:55:22,415 >> thank you warden. 4357 01:55:22,415 --> 01:55:24,718 through uinta county council. 4358 01:55:24,718 --> 01:55:25,728 this report deals with the 4359 01:55:25,728 --> 01:55:26,711 allocation of funding received 4360 01:55:26,711 --> 01:55:26,711 through 4361 01:55:26,711 --> 01:55:28,180 through the building communities 4362 01:55:28,180 --> 01:55:28,180 4363 01:55:28,180 --> 01:55:30,007 strong fund or bcsf. 4364 01:55:30,007 --> 01:55:31,494 so members of council will know 4365 01:55:31,494 --> 01:55:32,862 this programme by its previous 4366 01:55:32,862 --> 01:55:32,862 4367 01:55:32,862 --> 01:55:34,311 name, which was the canada 4368 01:55:34,311 --> 01:55:37,299 community building fund. 4369 01:55:37,299 --> 01:55:38,381 the name was changed by the 4370 01:55:38,381 --> 01:55:39,379 programme and the funding 4371 01:55:39,379 --> 01:55:40,791 continues in the same way. 4372 01:55:40,791 --> 01:55:42,196 consistent with council's historical 4373 01:55:42,196 --> 01:55:42,990 historical approach, 4374 01:55:42,990 --> 01:55:43,664 administration is recommending 4375 01:55:43,664 --> 01:55:46,470 that the county retain 20% or 4376 01:55:46,470 --> 01:55:48,934 just over 2.5 million of the regional 4377 01:55:48,934 --> 01:55:50,221 regional allocation and to 4378 01:55:50,221 --> 01:55:53,387 distribute 80% or just under 3.8 million to 4379 01:55:53,387 --> 01:55:54,561 3.8 million to the seven local 4380 01:55:54,561 --> 01:55:57,037 municipalities located based on 4381 01:55:57,037 --> 01:55:58,882 the 2021 census data as shown in 4382 01:55:58,882 --> 01:56:00,871 appendix a, attached to the 4383 01:56:00,871 --> 01:56:00,871 report. 4384 01:56:00,871 --> 01:56:03,087 so the funding continues to 4385 01:56:03,087 --> 01:56:04,278 support eligible community 4386 01:56:04,278 --> 01:56:05,153 infrastructure projects across 4387 01:56:05,153 --> 01:56:05,153 4388 01:56:05,153 --> 01:56:06,794 the county and local 4389 01:56:06,794 --> 01:56:06,794 municipalities. 4390 01:56:06,794 --> 01:56:11,939 the allocation remains unchanged 4391 01:56:11,939 --> 01:56:11,939 4392 01:56:11,939 --> 01:56:14,215 to 2025 but looking ahead, the 4393 01:56:14,215 --> 01:56:14,215 4394 01:56:14,215 --> 01:56:16,479 county has received future 4395 01:56:16,479 --> 01:56:19,706 allocations in both 2027 and 2028 as 4396 01:56:19,706 --> 01:56:21,688 2028 as anticipated. And 4397 01:56:21,688 --> 01:56:23,964 and with that I will take any 4398 01:56:23,964 --> 01:56:24,389 questions. >> speaker-09: 4399 01:56:24,389 --> 01:56:24,904 >> speaker-09: thank you 4400 01:56:24,904 --> 01:56:26,371 melissa, questions for our 4401 01:56:26,371 --> 01:56:26,371 treasurer? 4402 01:56:26,371 --> 01:56:33,377 >> thank you warden question, why 4403 01:56:33,377 --> 01:56:36,173 why is it still based on the 2020 4404 01:56:36,173 --> 01:56:36,598 2020 census? 4405 01:56:36,598 --> 01:56:37,814 will that kick in next year 4406 01:56:37,814 --> 01:56:37,814 annually? Or 4407 01:56:37,814 --> 01:56:39,641 or do they anticipate when the 4408 01:56:39,641 --> 01:56:39,641 4409 01:56:39,641 --> 01:56:41,115 updated census numbers will come 4410 01:56:41,115 --> 01:56:41,115 4411 01:56:41,115 --> 01:56:41,115 out? 4412 01:56:41,115 --> 01:56:45,943 >> that's just historically what 4413 01:56:45,943 --> 01:56:49,097 we have used here. 4414 01:56:49,097 --> 01:56:52,001 so we have used that when we do 4415 01:56:52,001 --> 01:56:52,001 this 4416 01:56:52,001 --> 01:56:53,397 this report to council again, to 4417 01:56:53,397 --> 01:56:53,397 4418 01:56:53,397 --> 01:56:54,819 make the choice. 4419 01:56:54,819 --> 01:56:57,687 >> very good, thank you. 4420 01:56:57,687 --> 01:56:59,171 >> no further questions, then there 4421 01:56:59,171 --> 01:57:00,509 there is a recommendation that 4422 01:57:00,509 --> 01:57:00,509 4423 01:57:00,509 --> 01:57:03,522 council approve the report and 4424 01:57:03,522 --> 01:57:03,522 the 4425 01:57:03,522 --> 01:57:05,601 the accompanying bylaw 4426 01:57:05,601 --> 01:57:07,471 number 2026-30 at the 4427 01:57:07,471 --> 01:57:09,232 appropriate time. 4428 01:57:09,232 --> 01:57:11,122 moved by councillor rogers 4429 01:57:11,122 --> 01:57:14,718 seconded by councillor gibb. 4430 01:57:14,718 --> 01:57:23,659 and thumbs up from councillor 4431 01:57:23,659 --> 01:57:23,659 mcnamara. 4432 01:57:23,659 --> 01:57:32,794 and that is carried. 4433 01:57:32,794 --> 01:57:37,209 next we have the establishment 4434 01:57:37,209 --> 01:57:37,209 4435 01:57:37,209 --> 01:57:39,428 of a state of good repair, life 4436 01:57:39,428 --> 01:57:39,428 4437 01:57:39,428 --> 01:57:40,878 cycle reserve, again coming back 4438 01:57:40,878 --> 01:57:43,077 to our treasurer. 4439 01:57:43,077 --> 01:57:44,485 director of finance, melissa 4440 01:57:44,485 --> 01:57:44,485 ryan. 4441 01:57:44,485 --> 01:57:44,485 melissa? 4442 01:57:44,485 --> 01:57:47,326 >> thank you warden, through 4443 01:57:47,326 --> 01:57:49,354 uinta county council. 4444 01:57:49,354 --> 01:57:51,182 this report establishes the 4445 01:57:51,182 --> 01:57:53,478 framework needed before 2027 budget 4446 01:57:53,478 --> 01:57:55,229 budget deliberations begin in 4447 01:57:55,229 --> 01:57:55,229 december. 4448 01:57:55,229 --> 01:57:57,107 so administration is 4449 01:57:57,107 --> 01:57:58,529 recommending the creation of a 4450 01:57:58,529 --> 01:58:00,299 dedicated state of good repair 4451 01:58:00,299 --> 01:58:00,299 4452 01:58:00,299 --> 01:58:02,358 life cycle reserve for county 4453 01:58:02,358 --> 01:58:03,843 roads, bridges and culverts. 4454 01:58:03,843 --> 01:58:05,637 this does not require council to contribute 4455 01:58:05,637 --> 01:58:06,665 contribute any new funding 4456 01:58:06,665 --> 01:58:06,665 today. 4457 01:58:06,665 --> 01:58:08,056 the reserve would be established 4458 01:58:08,056 --> 01:58:08,056 4459 01:58:08,056 --> 01:58:10,005 with a zero balance so there is 4460 01:58:10,005 --> 01:58:10,005 no 4461 01:58:10,005 --> 01:58:12,803 no impact to the 2026 budget. 4462 01:58:12,803 --> 01:58:14,711 historically, the county has levy funded 4463 01:58:14,711 --> 01:58:15,663 levy funded the state of good 4464 01:58:15,663 --> 01:58:17,097 repair work directly through the 4465 01:58:17,097 --> 01:58:17,097 4466 01:58:17,097 --> 01:58:18,956 annual capital budget. 4467 01:58:18,956 --> 01:58:21,034 going forward, the intent is to 4468 01:58:21,034 --> 01:58:21,034 4469 01:58:21,034 --> 01:58:22,237 continue levy funding the work 4470 01:58:22,237 --> 01:58:22,237 but 4471 01:58:22,237 --> 01:58:23,611 but instead of allocating those 4472 01:58:23,611 --> 01:58:23,611 dollars 4473 01:58:23,611 --> 01:58:26,480 dollars to be spent in a single 4474 01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:26,480 4475 01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:27,298 year, the funding would be 4476 01:58:27,298 --> 01:58:28,690 transferred into this reserve 4477 01:58:28,690 --> 01:58:31,126 and drawn from as eligible rehab 4478 01:58:31,126 --> 01:58:31,126 4479 01:58:31,126 --> 01:58:32,985 projects moving forward. 4480 01:58:32,985 --> 01:58:34,467 so if there are funds remaining 4481 01:58:34,467 --> 01:58:34,517 at the 4482 01:58:34,517 --> 01:58:35,540 at the end of the year, they would 4483 01:58:35,540 --> 01:58:36,639 would stay in the reserve and be 4484 01:58:36,639 --> 01:58:37,656 available to support future 4485 01:58:37,656 --> 01:58:39,079 state of good repair needs. 4486 01:58:39,079 --> 01:58:40,689 this gives the county more 4487 01:58:40,689 --> 01:58:42,308 flexibility to manage timing, inflation 4488 01:58:42,308 --> 01:58:43,731 inflation and larger rehab 4489 01:58:43,731 --> 01:58:45,115 projects that might not fit neatly 4490 01:58:45,115 --> 01:58:47,162 neatly within one budget year. 4491 01:58:47,162 --> 01:58:47,162 4492 01:58:47,162 --> 01:58:49,470 it also provides flexibility if 4493 01:58:49,470 --> 01:58:51,230 urgent state of repair projects 4494 01:58:51,230 --> 01:58:51,230 arise 4495 01:58:51,230 --> 01:58:52,398 arise during the year. 4496 01:58:52,398 --> 01:58:53,836 particularly where there are safety 4497 01:58:53,836 --> 01:58:55,290 safety concerns or where delaying 4498 01:58:55,290 --> 01:58:55,948 delaying the work could lead to 4499 01:58:55,948 --> 01:58:57,386 higher long term costs. 4500 01:58:57,386 --> 01:59:01,349 so rather than relying only on 4501 01:59:01,349 --> 01:59:01,349 the 4502 01:59:01,349 --> 01:59:02,390 the dedicated source of funding 4503 01:59:02,390 --> 01:59:02,390 to 4504 01:59:02,390 --> 01:59:03,881 to respond to those needs -- 4505 01:59:03,881 --> 01:59:05,249 rather than relying on the funding 4506 01:59:05,249 --> 01:59:06,322 funding available in a single 4507 01:59:06,322 --> 01:59:08,526 budget year, the reserve gives 4508 01:59:08,526 --> 01:59:08,576 us a little 4509 01:59:08,576 --> 01:59:11,541 us a little bit more flexibility 4510 01:59:11,541 --> 01:59:11,541 4511 01:59:11,541 --> 01:59:14,331 if there are reserve funds to 4512 01:59:14,331 --> 01:59:14,331 use. 4513 01:59:14,331 --> 01:59:16,394 overall creating the reserve improves 4514 01:59:16,394 --> 01:59:18,184 improves transparency, it allows 4515 01:59:18,184 --> 01:59:18,184 council 4516 01:59:18,184 --> 01:59:19,983 council to see dedicated funding 4517 01:59:19,983 --> 01:59:19,983 for 4518 01:59:19,983 --> 01:59:21,813 for existing road infrastructure 4519 01:59:21,813 --> 01:59:21,813 4520 01:59:21,813 --> 01:59:23,292 aspects it supports greater 4521 01:59:23,292 --> 01:59:25,063 flexibility when urgent rehab 4522 01:59:25,063 --> 01:59:26,485 needs arrive and helps ensure 4523 01:59:26,485 --> 01:59:28,339 any unspent funds remain 4524 01:59:28,339 --> 01:59:29,795 available for future roadway 4525 01:59:29,795 --> 01:59:31,195 rehab, rather than being treated 4526 01:59:31,195 --> 01:59:31,195 4527 01:59:31,195 --> 01:59:33,027 as a one year allocation. 4528 01:59:33,027 --> 01:59:34,725 with that I'd be happy to answer 4529 01:59:34,725 --> 01:59:34,725 4530 01:59:34,725 --> 01:59:35,476 any questions. 4531 01:59:35,476 --> 01:59:37,114 >> thank you melissa. 4532 01:59:37,114 --> 01:59:39,737 questions for the treasurer? 4533 01:59:39,737 --> 01:59:41,923 seeing none, the recommendation 4534 01:59:41,923 --> 01:59:41,923 4535 01:59:41,923 --> 01:59:43,355 is that council receive the 4536 01:59:43,355 --> 01:59:45,270 report as information and that 4537 01:59:45,270 --> 01:59:47,971 by law 2026-32 be approved at the 4538 01:59:47,971 --> 01:59:51,238 the appropriate time. 4539 01:59:51,238 --> 01:59:53,320 moved by councillor gibb, 4540 01:59:53,320 --> 01:59:55,172 seconded by councillor prue. 4541 01:59:55,172 --> 01:59:57,354 any discussion? 4542 01:59:57,354 --> 01:59:59,217 then I will ask you to vote 4543 01:59:59,217 --> 02:00:01,061 electronically. >> 4544 02:00:01,061 --> 02:00:03,397 >> madam warden, if I may? 4545 02:00:03,397 --> 02:00:08,427 I just want to add that this is 4546 02:00:08,427 --> 02:00:08,427 4547 02:00:08,427 --> 02:00:11,482 great fiscal -- being fiscally 4548 02:00:11,482 --> 02:00:11,482 responsible. 4549 02:00:11,482 --> 02:00:14,930 it is a great opportunity for us 4550 02:00:14,930 --> 02:00:16,727 to build proper reserves. 4551 02:00:16,727 --> 02:00:18,763 because we need to be ready for the 4552 02:00:18,763 --> 02:00:19,961 the unexpected. 4553 02:00:19,961 --> 02:00:21,823 in particular when we see what 4554 02:00:21,823 --> 02:00:21,823 4555 02:00:21,823 --> 02:00:23,230 is happening with that climate 4556 02:00:23,230 --> 02:00:23,230 change 4557 02:00:23,230 --> 02:00:24,679 change and so forth. 4558 02:00:24,679 --> 02:00:26,490 so kudos to the administration 4559 02:00:26,490 --> 02:00:26,490 4560 02:00:26,490 --> 02:00:29,382 for bringing this forward and I think 4561 02:00:29,382 --> 02:00:31,142 think it is a well thought out 4562 02:00:31,142 --> 02:00:31,142 4563 02:00:31,142 --> 02:00:34,191 practice and long coming. 4564 02:00:34,191 --> 02:00:38,840 >> I take it you were in favour 4565 02:00:38,840 --> 02:00:38,840 ? 4566 02:00:38,840 --> 02:00:42,265 >> 110%. >> 4567 02:00:42,265 --> 02:00:44,252 >> thank you. 4568 02:00:44,252 --> 02:00:56,370 vote. 4569 02:00:56,370 --> 02:00:56,370 vote. 4570 02:00:56,370 --> 02:01:11,293 that's carried now, thank you. 4571 02:01:11,293 --> 02:01:11,293 4572 02:01:11,293 --> 02:01:13,558 no matters of unfinished 4573 02:01:13,558 --> 02:01:13,558 business. 4574 02:01:13,558 --> 02:01:15,058 on to new business. 4575 02:01:15,058 --> 02:01:16,463 I have the public reporting of 4576 02:01:16,463 --> 02:01:17,852 the closed meeting. 4577 02:01:17,852 --> 02:01:19,533 that is that council met in a 4578 02:01:19,533 --> 02:01:20,812 closed meeting at 5:00 p.m. This 4579 02:01:20,812 --> 02:01:20,812 4580 02:01:20,812 --> 02:01:22,347 evening as permitted and 4581 02:01:22,347 --> 02:01:25,157 pursuant to section 2392f, the 4582 02:01:25,157 --> 02:01:26,184 municipal act to receive 4583 02:01:26,184 --> 02:01:27,951 information related to the 4584 02:01:27,951 --> 02:01:33,674 report number 260805, legal 4585 02:01:33,674 --> 02:01:35,249 advice regarding affordable 4586 02:01:35,249 --> 02:01:35,249 housing. 4587 02:01:35,249 --> 02:01:43,684 and also receive information 4588 02:01:43,684 --> 02:01:46,375 related to a verbal report 4589 02:01:46,375 --> 02:01:49,823 pertaining to 2974.2, bargaining 4590 02:01:49,823 --> 02:01:49,823 4591 02:01:49,823 --> 02:01:51,307 update for august fifth. 4592 02:01:51,307 --> 02:01:52,506 council was provided with legal 4593 02:01:52,506 --> 02:01:53,486 advice and with information 4594 02:01:53,486 --> 02:01:57,311 about the bargaining process. 4595 02:01:57,311 --> 02:02:01,322 next we have governance review. 4596 02:02:01,322 --> 02:02:01,322 4597 02:02:01,322 --> 02:02:03,160 warden and deputy warden 4598 02:02:03,160 --> 02:02:03,600 election process. 4599 02:02:03,600 --> 02:02:06,113 and at the july 15th, 2026 4600 02:02:06,113 --> 02:02:09,288 regular meeting of council, councillor 4601 02:02:09,288 --> 02:02:10,380 councillor shepley brought forth 4602 02:02:10,380 --> 02:02:10,380 a 4603 02:02:10,380 --> 02:02:11,015 a notice of motion. 4604 02:02:11,015 --> 02:02:12,381 would you like to read your 4605 02:02:12,381 --> 02:02:12,381 motion? 4606 02:02:12,381 --> 02:02:13,883 >> sure. 4607 02:02:13,883 --> 02:02:17,455 whereas the offices of warden 4608 02:02:17,455 --> 02:02:18,854 and deputy warden are separate, 4609 02:02:18,854 --> 02:02:18,854 4610 02:02:18,854 --> 02:02:21,146 leadership positions of county 4611 02:02:21,146 --> 02:02:21,146 4612 02:02:21,146 --> 02:02:23,223 council, and whereas the selection 4613 02:02:23,223 --> 02:02:24,036 selection process should be 4614 02:02:24,036 --> 02:02:25,474 clear, fair and transparent for all 4615 02:02:25,474 --> 02:02:27,641 all members of council, and 4616 02:02:27,641 --> 02:02:29,059 whereas a member seeking 4617 02:02:29,059 --> 02:02:30,513 election as warden should not 4618 02:02:30,513 --> 02:02:32,010 also be eligible to seek 4619 02:02:32,010 --> 02:02:33,397 election as deputy warden during 4620 02:02:33,397 --> 02:02:35,698 the same election process. 4621 02:02:35,698 --> 02:02:37,586 now therefore be it resolved that 4622 02:02:37,586 --> 02:02:38,801 that administration be directed 4623 02:02:38,801 --> 02:02:38,801 4624 02:02:38,801 --> 02:02:40,490 to bring forward as part of its 4625 02:02:40,490 --> 02:02:43,851 procedural bylaw review and update 4626 02:02:43,851 --> 02:02:45,105 update recommendations for council's 4627 02:02:45,105 --> 02:02:46,714 council's consideration options 4628 02:02:46,714 --> 02:02:46,714 4629 02:02:46,714 --> 02:02:49,095 for suggested amendments to 4630 02:02:49,095 --> 02:02:52,099 section 3.1 of the county's 4631 02:02:52,099 --> 02:02:53,395 procedure bylaw, to take effect 4632 02:02:53,395 --> 02:02:55,035 prior to the inaugural meeting of 4633 02:02:55,035 --> 02:02:56,220 of the next term of county 4634 02:02:56,220 --> 02:02:59,842 council, and with one of the potential 4635 02:02:59,842 --> 02:03:01,453 potential amendments reflecting 4636 02:03:01,453 --> 02:03:01,453 4637 02:03:01,453 --> 02:03:02,436 the following. 4638 02:03:02,436 --> 02:03:03,433 the nomination. 4639 02:03:03,433 --> 02:03:05,287 for both warden and deputy warden 4640 02:03:05,287 --> 02:03:07,506 warden closing before voting 4641 02:03:07,506 --> 02:03:08,985 begins, a member of county 4642 02:03:08,985 --> 02:03:10,453 council can stand for election 4643 02:03:10,453 --> 02:03:11,829 for either warden or deputy 4644 02:03:11,829 --> 02:03:14,213 warden but not both, and there 4645 02:03:14,213 --> 02:03:14,213 shall 4646 02:03:14,213 --> 02:03:15,527 shall be a single ballot for 4647 02:03:15,527 --> 02:03:17,507 both the position of warden and 4648 02:03:17,507 --> 02:03:17,507 4649 02:03:17,507 --> 02:03:19,706 deputy warden, such as the 4650 02:03:19,706 --> 02:03:20,760 voting takes place at the same 4651 02:03:20,760 --> 02:03:20,760 time 4652 02:03:20,760 --> 02:03:23,369 time for both positions. 4653 02:03:23,369 --> 02:03:25,496 number for, no member may be 4654 02:03:25,496 --> 02:03:26,495 elected to the position of 4655 02:03:26,495 --> 02:03:28,725 warden or deputy warden without 4656 02:03:28,725 --> 02:03:28,725 4657 02:03:28,725 --> 02:03:30,523 securing major support from the 4658 02:03:30,523 --> 02:03:30,523 4659 02:03:30,523 --> 02:03:32,680 members present. 4660 02:03:32,680 --> 02:03:38,703 be it further resolved that this 4661 02:03:38,703 --> 02:03:38,703 4662 02:03:38,703 --> 02:03:39,765 potential amendment be presented 4663 02:03:39,765 --> 02:03:39,765 4664 02:03:39,765 --> 02:03:41,198 to council for approval as part 4665 02:03:41,198 --> 02:03:41,198 of 4666 02:03:41,198 --> 02:03:43,093 of the procedure bylaw amendment 4667 02:03:43,093 --> 02:03:44,899 recommendations and a part of the 4668 02:03:44,899 --> 02:03:45,864 the governance review report, 4669 02:03:45,864 --> 02:03:47,348 prior to the inaugural meeting of the 4670 02:03:47,348 --> 02:03:49,530 of the next term of council. 4671 02:03:49,530 --> 02:03:51,980 >> moved by councillor shepley, 4672 02:03:51,980 --> 02:03:51,980 looking 4673 02:03:51,980 --> 02:03:55,218 looking for a second. 4674 02:03:55,218 --> 02:03:56,965 councillor deyong? 4675 02:03:56,965 --> 02:03:59,587 any discussion? 4676 02:03:59,587 --> 02:04:00,990 councillor shepley? 4677 02:04:00,990 --> 02:04:04,230 >> I will explain briefly my 4678 02:04:04,230 --> 02:04:05,715 reasoning behind this notice of 4679 02:04:05,715 --> 02:04:05,715 motion. 4680 02:04:05,715 --> 02:04:07,521 this notice of motion is not 4681 02:04:07,521 --> 02:04:09,365 about any individual, nor is it 4682 02:04:09,365 --> 02:04:09,365 4683 02:04:09,365 --> 02:04:10,417 about any past election. 4684 02:04:10,417 --> 02:04:12,212 it is about strengthening our 4685 02:04:12,212 --> 02:04:13,299 process going forward and 4686 02:04:13,299 --> 02:04:14,633 ensuring every candidate is 4687 02:04:14,633 --> 02:04:15,634 treated fairly under the same 4688 02:04:15,634 --> 02:04:17,275 set of rules. 4689 02:04:17,275 --> 02:04:18,910 the position of warden and 4690 02:04:18,910 --> 02:04:20,795 deputy warden are separate and 4691 02:04:20,795 --> 02:04:20,795 important 4692 02:04:20,795 --> 02:04:21,876 important leadership roles. 4693 02:04:21,876 --> 02:04:23,620 each carry significant 4694 02:04:23,620 --> 02:04:26,599 responsibilities and I believe 4695 02:04:26,599 --> 02:04:26,599 each 4696 02:04:26,599 --> 02:04:27,640 each deserves a candidate who has 4697 02:04:27,640 --> 02:04:29,129 has made a clear commitment to 4698 02:04:29,129 --> 02:04:30,823 seeking that office. 4699 02:04:30,823 --> 02:04:34,124 I also believe that these are two distinct 4700 02:04:34,124 --> 02:04:35,115 two distinct leadership 4701 02:04:35,115 --> 02:04:36,101 positions and that candidates 4702 02:04:36,101 --> 02:04:37,989 should enter the process having 4703 02:04:37,989 --> 02:04:37,989 4704 02:04:37,989 --> 02:04:39,398 decided which office they wish 4705 02:04:39,398 --> 02:04:39,398 4706 02:04:39,398 --> 02:04:40,225 to seek. 4707 02:04:40,225 --> 02:04:42,661 running for one office and then 4708 02:04:42,661 --> 02:04:42,661 if 4709 02:04:42,661 --> 02:04:43,484 if unsuccessful immediately 4710 02:04:43,484 --> 02:04:44,928 seeking the other can create the 4711 02:04:44,928 --> 02:04:47,402 perception that the second 4712 02:04:47,402 --> 02:04:49,173 office is simply the fallback 4713 02:04:49,173 --> 02:04:49,173 position. 4714 02:04:49,173 --> 02:04:50,921 I do not believe that is fair to 4715 02:04:50,921 --> 02:04:52,385 the office of the deputy warden 4716 02:04:52,385 --> 02:04:52,385 4717 02:04:52,385 --> 02:04:54,181 or those committed to seeking 4718 02:04:54,181 --> 02:04:57,635 that position from the beginning 4719 02:04:57,635 --> 02:04:57,635  beginning. 4720 02:04:57,635 --> 02:04:57,635  beginning. 4721 02:04:57,635 --> 02:05:07,744 I believe that creates an unfair 4722 02:05:07,744 --> 02:05:07,744 4723 02:05:07,744 --> 02:05:09,373 playing field working for deputy 4724 02:05:09,373 --> 02:05:09,373 4725 02:05:09,373 --> 02:05:10,400 warden for the outset. 4726 02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:12,244 the purpose of this motion is 4727 02:05:12,244 --> 02:05:12,244 simple. 4728 02:05:12,244 --> 02:05:13,734 everyone should make the same 4729 02:05:13,734 --> 02:05:15,166 commitment at the same time 4730 02:05:15,166 --> 02:05:16,925 under the same rules. 4731 02:05:16,925 --> 02:05:18,736 this motion doesn't change who 4732 02:05:18,736 --> 02:05:18,736 4733 02:05:18,736 --> 02:05:20,487 can run, every eligible member 4734 02:05:20,487 --> 02:05:21,839 still has the same opportunity 4735 02:05:21,839 --> 02:05:21,839 4736 02:05:21,839 --> 02:05:23,319 to seek either office. 4737 02:05:23,319 --> 02:05:24,786 what it changes is when the 4738 02:05:24,786 --> 02:05:26,159 decision is made, every 4739 02:05:26,159 --> 02:05:29,783 candidate would make that choice 4740 02:05:29,783 --> 02:05:29,783 before 4741 02:05:29,783 --> 02:05:30,809 before nominations close, rather 4742 02:05:30,809 --> 02:05:32,624 than after another election has 4743 02:05:32,624 --> 02:05:32,624 4744 02:05:32,624 --> 02:05:34,041 already taken place. 4745 02:05:34,041 --> 02:05:36,275 I also believe this strengthens 4746 02:05:36,275 --> 02:05:36,275 4747 02:05:36,275 --> 02:05:37,322 public confidence in the 4748 02:05:37,322 --> 02:05:38,798 process, good governance isn't 4749 02:05:38,798 --> 02:05:38,798 just 4750 02:05:38,798 --> 02:05:39,820 just about doing the right thing, 4751 02:05:39,820 --> 02:05:43,144 thing, it is also about avoiding 4752 02:05:43,144 --> 02:05:43,144 processes 4753 02:05:43,144 --> 02:05:44,903 processes that can create the 4754 02:05:44,903 --> 02:05:46,083 assessment that some have 4755 02:05:46,083 --> 02:05:47,755 opportunities that others do 4756 02:05:47,755 --> 02:05:47,755 not. 4757 02:05:47,755 --> 02:05:50,314 even if some would move from one 4758 02:05:50,314 --> 02:05:51,701 race to another, the best 4759 02:05:51,701 --> 02:05:52,767 intentions the public can still 4760 02:05:52,767 --> 02:05:54,002 perceive it as getting two 4761 02:05:54,002 --> 02:05:55,528 chances at leadership. 4762 02:05:55,528 --> 02:05:57,388 what everyone else receives only 4763 02:05:57,388 --> 02:05:57,388 one 4764 02:05:57,388 --> 02:05:57,798 one opportunity. 4765 02:05:57,798 --> 02:05:59,304 whether that perception is fair 4766 02:05:59,304 --> 02:06:01,078 or not, it can affect the 4767 02:06:01,078 --> 02:06:02,503 confidence in the process. 4768 02:06:02,503 --> 02:06:04,660 by closing nominations for both 4769 02:06:04,660 --> 02:06:06,340 positions at the same time, 4770 02:06:06,340 --> 02:06:08,613 every candidate begins on equal 4771 02:06:08,613 --> 02:06:08,613 4772 02:06:08,613 --> 02:06:08,613 footing. 4773 02:06:08,613 --> 02:06:10,321 there is one nomination. 4774 02:06:10,321 --> 02:06:12,234 , one opportunity to choose and one 4775 02:06:12,234 --> 02:06:14,204 one set of rules that applies 4776 02:06:14,204 --> 02:06:17,473 equally to everyone. 4777 02:06:17,473 --> 02:06:19,667 that encourages candidates to make a 4778 02:06:19,667 --> 02:06:20,934 make a thoughtful decision that 4779 02:06:20,934 --> 02:06:22,537 makes an office they wish to 4780 02:06:22,537 --> 02:06:22,537 serve. 4781 02:06:22,537 --> 02:06:37,274 it changes when they choose. 4782 02:06:37,274 --> 02:06:39,522 then we strengthen the integrity 4783 02:06:39,522 --> 02:06:39,522 of 4784 02:06:39,522 --> 02:06:41,285 of the process, reinforce public 4785 02:06:41,285 --> 02:06:41,285 4786 02:06:41,285 --> 02:06:42,358 confidence in the election, for 4787 02:06:42,358 --> 02:06:44,573 both the warden and deputy 4788 02:06:44,573 --> 02:06:44,573 warden. 4789 02:06:44,573 --> 02:06:46,669 the public expects leadership positions at 4790 02:06:46,669 --> 02:06:50,208 positions at the county council 4791 02:06:50,208 --> 02:06:50,208 4792 02:06:50,208 --> 02:06:52,640 beyond reproach. 4793 02:06:52,640 --> 02:06:54,304 even if it works, improving 4794 02:06:54,304 --> 02:06:55,678 confidence in the process is a 4795 02:06:55,678 --> 02:06:58,859 worthwhile goal, thank you. 4796 02:06:58,859 --> 02:07:00,294 >> thank you. 4797 02:07:00,294 --> 02:07:02,478 comments, questions? 4798 02:07:02,478 --> 02:07:05,541 councillor akpata? 4799 02:07:05,541 --> 02:07:06,837 >> through you madam warden, 4800 02:07:06,837 --> 02:07:09,136 love it, no issues, no problems. 4801 02:07:09,136 --> 02:07:09,136 4802 02:07:09,136 --> 02:07:10,150 just one question and I want to make 4803 02:07:10,150 --> 02:07:12,148 make sure I understand this. 4804 02:07:12,148 --> 02:07:13,568 just me being me. 4805 02:07:13,568 --> 02:07:14,831 without securing majority 4806 02:07:14,831 --> 02:07:18,765 support from members present, I 4807 02:07:18,765 --> 02:07:19,768 have a scenario where there is 4808 02:07:19,768 --> 02:07:19,818 three of us 4809 02:07:19,818 --> 02:07:22,034 three of us in a room, thus the 4810 02:07:22,034 --> 02:07:23,603 majority of members present, no 4811 02:07:23,603 --> 02:07:23,603 one 4812 02:07:23,603 --> 02:07:24,731 one has called quorum, I just want 4813 02:07:24,731 --> 02:07:26,151 want to make sure that -- is 4814 02:07:26,151 --> 02:07:28,509 there any other bylaw or rule 4815 02:07:28,509 --> 02:07:29,627 when I seek? Because 4816 02:07:29,627 --> 02:07:30,599 because all of a sudden it is a 4817 02:07:30,599 --> 02:07:32,769 majority of members present, to 4818 02:07:32,769 --> 02:07:32,769 4819 02:07:32,769 --> 02:07:34,818 me that changes the voting and 4820 02:07:34,818 --> 02:07:34,818 4821 02:07:34,818 --> 02:07:36,698 that changes the rule right off 4822 02:07:36,698 --> 02:07:38,492 the bat. 4823 02:07:38,492 --> 02:07:39,971 and I have a problem with that, 4824 02:07:39,971 --> 02:07:39,971 I 4825 02:07:39,971 --> 02:07:40,549 I can't support this. 4826 02:07:40,549 --> 02:07:43,813 just looking for clarification 4827 02:07:43,813 --> 02:07:43,813 . 4828 02:07:43,813 --> 02:07:46,777 >> the way that this is worded 4829 02:07:46,777 --> 02:07:46,777 4830 02:07:46,777 --> 02:07:48,805 is the majority of members 4831 02:07:48,805 --> 02:07:48,805 present. We 4832 02:07:48,805 --> 02:07:51,431 we would not have a meeting if 4833 02:07:51,431 --> 02:07:51,431 there 4834 02:07:51,431 --> 02:07:53,665 there was not a quorum of 4835 02:07:53,665 --> 02:07:53,665 council. 4836 02:07:53,665 --> 02:07:55,738 it is necessary to have the 4837 02:07:55,738 --> 02:07:59,607 meeting, that is eight members 4838 02:07:59,607 --> 02:07:59,607 . 4839 02:07:59,607 --> 02:08:06,144 >> like I said, I always -- I. 4840 02:08:06,144 --> 02:08:06,193 just want 4841 02:08:06,193 --> 02:08:08,631 just want to make sure that the 4842 02:08:08,631 --> 02:08:08,631 worst-case 4843 02:08:08,631 --> 02:08:09,084 worst-case scenario wasn't 4844 02:08:09,084 --> 02:08:10,430 something we would accidentally 4845 02:08:10,430 --> 02:08:10,430 4846 02:08:10,430 --> 02:08:13,459 do, that's all. 4847 02:08:13,459 --> 02:08:15,934 >> councillor meloche? >> 4848 02:08:15,934 --> 02:08:16,871 >> that was actually my 4849 02:08:16,871 --> 02:08:16,871 question. 4850 02:08:16,871 --> 02:08:18,406 just with the wording because the 4851 02:08:18,406 --> 02:08:19,416 the wording makes it sound like 4852 02:08:19,416 --> 02:08:19,467 you have 4853 02:08:19,467 --> 02:08:20,895 you have to have a majority 4854 02:08:20,895 --> 02:08:22,577 support, not just the majority 4855 02:08:22,577 --> 02:08:23,449 people in the room. I 4856 02:08:23,449 --> 02:08:24,402 I want to make sure we are not 4857 02:08:24,402 --> 02:08:24,402 4858 02:08:24,402 --> 02:08:26,639 putting in language that all of 4859 02:08:26,639 --> 02:08:26,689 a sudden 4860 02:08:26,689 --> 02:08:27,799 a sudden we get these results and it 4861 02:08:27,799 --> 02:08:28,849 and it is not the majority of 4862 02:08:28,849 --> 02:08:30,140 people who voted for that one 4863 02:08:30,140 --> 02:08:31,371 person, therefore it doesn't 4864 02:08:31,371 --> 02:08:31,371 count. 4865 02:08:31,371 --> 02:08:33,780 that was my concern. 4866 02:08:33,780 --> 02:08:34,894 because the way it was worded 4867 02:08:34,894 --> 02:08:36,514 kind of leaves it -- I. Don't 4868 02:08:36,514 --> 02:08:37,485 know if there is a way to clarify 4869 02:08:37,485 --> 02:08:38,868 clarify it so it is clear, but 4870 02:08:38,868 --> 02:08:38,868 that 4871 02:08:38,868 --> 02:08:41,506 that was my thought. 4872 02:08:41,506 --> 02:08:43,944 >> through you warden, the way 4873 02:08:43,944 --> 02:08:45,368 that the motion is worded is 4874 02:08:45,368 --> 02:08:47,404 that we present options for council. 4875 02:08:47,404 --> 02:08:47,404 that we present options for council. 4876 02:08:47,404 --> 02:08:49,620 so we do have a report in the works 4877 02:08:49,620 --> 02:08:50,639 works that will be coming 4878 02:08:50,639 --> 02:08:53,499 forward to council based on those 4879 02:08:53,499 --> 02:08:54,318 those governance interviews that 4880 02:08:54,318 --> 02:08:57,136 we did with each of your 4881 02:08:57,136 --> 02:08:58,548 municipalities in members and 4882 02:08:58,548 --> 02:09:00,028 alternates over the course of 4883 02:09:00,028 --> 02:09:01,380 the past several months. 4884 02:09:01,380 --> 02:09:03,216 through those conversations, 4885 02:09:03,216 --> 02:09:04,689 there were several 4886 02:09:04,689 --> 02:09:06,449 recommendations and opposing 4887 02:09:06,449 --> 02:09:09,049 viewpoints, at times, however, 4888 02:09:09,049 --> 02:09:09,049 4889 02:09:09,049 --> 02:09:11,180 we have come up with several 4890 02:09:11,180 --> 02:09:12,115 recommendations that will be 4891 02:09:12,115 --> 02:09:13,926 presented to council and we will 4892 02:09:13,926 --> 02:09:13,926 4893 02:09:13,926 --> 02:09:16,973 work in some options to consider 4894 02:09:16,973 --> 02:09:16,973 4895 02:09:16,973 --> 02:09:18,259 what councillor shepley has 4896 02:09:18,259 --> 02:09:19,085 proposed here. 4897 02:09:19,085 --> 02:09:21,932 if this motion carries, that is 4898 02:09:21,932 --> 02:09:23,276 we do have other recommendations 4899 02:09:23,276 --> 02:09:23,276 4900 02:09:23,276 --> 02:09:25,139 that are related to these 4901 02:09:25,139 --> 02:09:25,139 things. 4902 02:09:25,139 --> 02:09:27,038 but council will have 4903 02:09:27,038 --> 02:09:27,998 consideration of those at that 4904 02:09:27,998 --> 02:09:27,998 4905 02:09:27,998 --> 02:09:31,210 time of the report. 4906 02:09:31,210 --> 02:09:33,798 >> councillor prue? 4907 02:09:33,798 --> 02:09:36,032 >> just a question, does any 4908 02:09:36,032 --> 02:09:39,499 other county council in ontario 4909 02:09:39,499 --> 02:09:41,297 do as being suggested now? 4910 02:09:41,297 --> 02:09:43,175 it has always been my 4911 02:09:43,175 --> 02:09:47,340 observation that there is a second 4912 02:09:47,340 --> 02:09:47,777 second round. It's 4913 02:09:47,777 --> 02:09:49,222 it's not that this is a whole 4914 02:09:49,222 --> 02:09:50,719 election, going back to the people 4915 02:09:50,719 --> 02:09:52,892 people with a whole new ballot 4916 02:09:52,892 --> 02:09:52,892 4917 02:09:52,892 --> 02:09:54,333 system and two weeks later to 4918 02:09:54,333 --> 02:09:56,344 choose the second position. 4919 02:09:56,344 --> 02:09:58,254 this is all of us sitting around 4920 02:09:58,254 --> 02:09:58,254 a 4921 02:09:58,254 --> 02:09:59,720 a table, choose one and then all 4922 02:09:59,720 --> 02:09:59,720 4923 02:09:59,720 --> 02:10:00,769 of us sitting around the table 4924 02:10:00,769 --> 02:10:00,769 4925 02:10:00,769 --> 02:10:03,559 and choosing two. 4926 02:10:03,559 --> 02:10:06,862 can you tell me, does any other 4927 02:10:06,862 --> 02:10:06,912 council do 4928 02:10:06,912 --> 02:10:07,849 council do it the way that this 4929 02:10:07,849 --> 02:10:07,849 4930 02:10:07,849 --> 02:10:10,503 is being suggested? 4931 02:10:10,503 --> 02:10:12,403 >> through you warden, in 4932 02:10:12,403 --> 02:10:13,730 response to councillors 4933 02:10:13,730 --> 02:10:15,751 question, I have spoken to the 4934 02:10:15,751 --> 02:10:15,751 4935 02:10:15,751 --> 02:10:17,232 clerks at the upper tier 4936 02:10:17,232 --> 02:10:19,426 municipalities in ontario, we do 4937 02:10:19,426 --> 02:10:19,426 meet 4938 02:10:19,426 --> 02:10:21,276 meet routinely to discuss 4939 02:10:21,276 --> 02:10:21,889 various things. 4940 02:10:21,889 --> 02:10:23,670 but this subject has come up 4941 02:10:23,670 --> 02:10:25,107 recently in other municipalities 4942 02:10:25,107 --> 02:10:25,107 4943 02:10:25,107 --> 02:10:25,984 as well. And 4944 02:10:25,984 --> 02:10:26,981 and through our conversations, 4945 02:10:26,981 --> 02:10:26,981 4946 02:10:26,981 --> 02:10:28,774 again with those governments 4947 02:10:28,774 --> 02:10:29,899 interviews, I did raise the 4948 02:10:29,899 --> 02:10:31,326 question with the other clerks. 4949 02:10:31,326 --> 02:10:33,729 if you can imagine, there are 4950 02:10:33,729 --> 02:10:35,341 several dozen municipalities, 4951 02:10:35,341 --> 02:10:36,413 there are several dozen ways 4952 02:10:36,413 --> 02:10:39,129 that they do it. 4953 02:10:39,129 --> 02:10:41,012 so some municipalities don't 4954 02:10:41,012 --> 02:10:43,581 elect a deputy warden at all. It 4955 02:10:43,581 --> 02:10:45,284 it is an appointed position by 4956 02:10:45,284 --> 02:10:47,077 the elected warden. 4957 02:10:47,077 --> 02:10:49,284 some municipalities do their 4958 02:10:49,284 --> 02:10:50,387 inaugural meeting, elect the 4959 02:10:50,387 --> 02:10:51,793 warden and at a later date, 4960 02:10:51,793 --> 02:10:54,404 elect a deputy warden. 4961 02:10:54,404 --> 02:10:55,690 some elect that same night, the way 4962 02:10:55,690 --> 02:10:57,498 way that we do it and have done 4963 02:10:57,498 --> 02:10:57,498 it 4964 02:10:57,498 --> 02:11:00,567 it for many years. 4965 02:11:00,567 --> 02:11:02,659 there is many ways to do this 4966 02:11:02,659 --> 02:11:04,969 across the province in the upper 4967 02:11:04,969 --> 02:11:04,969 tier 4968 02:11:04,969 --> 02:11:07,630 tier municipalities and through the 4969 02:11:07,630 --> 02:11:08,647 the analysis of those different 4970 02:11:08,647 --> 02:11:08,647 4971 02:11:08,647 --> 02:11:10,130 ways to do it, I think that we 4972 02:11:10,130 --> 02:11:10,130 4973 02:11:10,130 --> 02:11:12,378 have come up and based on the 4974 02:11:12,378 --> 02:11:13,448 recommendation here, we have come 4975 02:11:13,448 --> 02:11:15,047 come up with some solutions that 4976 02:11:15,047 --> 02:11:15,047 4977 02:11:15,047 --> 02:11:17,250 will work if council has an appetite 4978 02:11:17,250 --> 02:11:18,327 appetite to change from 4979 02:11:18,327 --> 02:11:20,353 status quo. 4980 02:11:20,353 --> 02:11:23,133 >> again, having had that 4981 02:11:23,133 --> 02:11:25,159 answered, I'm not going to lose 4982 02:11:25,159 --> 02:11:25,159 any 4983 02:11:25,159 --> 02:11:26,333 any sleep over this, whether it 4984 02:11:26,333 --> 02:11:28,470 goes one way or the other, 4985 02:11:28,470 --> 02:11:28,470 really. 4986 02:11:28,470 --> 02:11:31,697 but I guess I come from the 4987 02:11:31,697 --> 02:11:33,150 union movement years and years 4988 02:11:33,150 --> 02:11:33,150 4989 02:11:33,150 --> 02:11:33,150 ago. 4990 02:11:33,150 --> 02:11:35,538 things were decided at 4991 02:11:35,538 --> 02:11:35,538 convention. 4992 02:11:35,538 --> 02:11:38,437 and it was absolutely 4993 02:11:38,437 --> 02:11:40,193 commonplace to elect the 4994 02:11:40,193 --> 02:11:43,188 president of the union and then 4995 02:11:43,188 --> 02:11:43,188 4996 02:11:43,188 --> 02:11:46,092 to elect any number of executive 4997 02:11:46,092 --> 02:11:47,860 officers, should be two or three 4998 02:11:47,860 --> 02:11:50,334 or four, vice presidents. 4999 02:11:50,334 --> 02:11:52,647 and people wouldn't just drop down. 5000 02:11:52,647 --> 02:11:52,647 and people wouldn't just drop down. 5001 02:11:52,647 --> 02:11:54,624 I don't ever remember anybody thinking 5002 02:11:54,624 --> 02:11:56,440 thinking that was an unfair 5003 02:11:56,440 --> 02:11:56,440 process. 5004 02:11:56,440 --> 02:12:01,469 I don't see how it is an unfair 5005 02:12:01,469 --> 02:12:01,469 process. 5006 02:12:01,469 --> 02:12:01,469 process. 5007 02:12:01,469 --> 02:12:03,953 I do see that some people will look 5008 02:12:03,953 --> 02:12:05,742 look at it and say that's not 5009 02:12:05,742 --> 02:12:09,231 fair because this person didn't 5010 02:12:09,231 --> 02:12:09,231 win 5011 02:12:09,231 --> 02:12:10,899 win when given a second chance, 5012 02:12:10,899 --> 02:12:10,899 but 5013 02:12:10,899 --> 02:12:12,509 but everybody can put their name 5014 02:12:12,509 --> 02:12:12,509 5015 02:12:12,509 --> 02:12:12,509 in. 5016 02:12:12,509 --> 02:12:16,598 so I don't know, I don't see the 5017 02:12:16,598 --> 02:12:17,965 necessity for it. 5018 02:12:17,965 --> 02:12:20,141 but as I said, I won't lose one 5019 02:12:20,141 --> 02:12:22,696 minute of sleep if it passes. 5020 02:12:22,696 --> 02:12:25,895 okay, thank you. 5021 02:12:25,895 --> 02:12:28,121 >> deputy warden? 5022 02:12:28,121 --> 02:12:29,587 >> thank you and through you 5023 02:12:29,587 --> 02:12:32,963 warden, I want to thank councillor 5024 02:12:32,963 --> 02:12:35,211 councillor shepley, his proposal 5025 02:12:35,211 --> 02:12:35,211 5026 02:12:35,211 --> 02:12:36,649 is just making what we built 5027 02:12:36,649 --> 02:12:41,880 around this table the next step 5028 02:12:41,880 --> 02:12:41,880 . 5029 02:12:41,880 --> 02:12:44,367 we are not mayors and deputy mayors, if 5030 02:12:44,367 --> 02:12:46,736 mayors, if you look at who runs 5031 02:12:46,736 --> 02:12:46,736 5032 02:12:46,736 --> 02:12:49,361 usually, deputy mayors don't 5033 02:12:49,361 --> 02:12:51,183 even run for warden or deputy 5034 02:12:51,183 --> 02:12:52,814 warden, that is the past 5035 02:12:52,814 --> 02:12:52,814 practice. You 5036 02:12:52,814 --> 02:12:57,596 you can look at the past 25, 30 years. 5037 02:12:57,596 --> 02:12:57,596 you can look at the past 25, 30 years. 5038 02:12:57,596 --> 02:12:59,779 it has always been the mayor's. 5039 02:12:59,779 --> 02:12:59,779 5040 02:12:59,779 --> 02:13:01,167 so since we are making this step 5041 02:13:01,167 --> 02:13:01,167 5042 02:13:01,167 --> 02:13:02,633 and we have made the steps, we 5043 02:13:02,633 --> 02:13:05,119 are all county councillors. 5044 02:13:05,119 --> 02:13:06,552 choosing to choose to run for warden 5045 02:13:06,552 --> 02:13:08,392 warden is a different job from 5046 02:13:08,392 --> 02:13:08,392 5047 02:13:08,392 --> 02:13:09,796 deputy warden. 5048 02:13:09,796 --> 02:13:10,878 and the fact that you are 5049 02:13:10,878 --> 02:13:14,067 choosing the warden the way the 5050 02:13:14,067 --> 02:13:14,067 motion 5051 02:13:14,067 --> 02:13:15,455 motion reads is fair. 5052 02:13:15,455 --> 02:13:18,141 you will be busy, you have this 5053 02:13:18,141 --> 02:13:19,777 level of deputy warden you fill 5054 02:13:19,777 --> 02:13:19,777 5055 02:13:19,777 --> 02:13:23,047 in, that is a different role. 5056 02:13:23,047 --> 02:13:25,594 so you choose, I think it is the 5057 02:13:25,594 --> 02:13:25,594 democratic 5058 02:13:25,594 --> 02:13:26,642 democratic way of moving forward 5059 02:13:26,642 --> 02:13:26,642 5060 02:13:26,642 --> 02:13:27,496 with this council. 5061 02:13:27,496 --> 02:13:30,683 we are all county councillors. 5062 02:13:30,683 --> 02:13:30,683 5063 02:13:30,683 --> 02:13:33,148 it avoids -- if you're a deputy 5064 02:13:33,148 --> 02:13:33,198 mayor, don't 5065 02:13:33,198 --> 02:13:34,302 mayor, don't you dare run for 5066 02:13:34,302 --> 02:13:35,615 deputy warden, it takes that away. 5067 02:13:35,615 --> 02:13:35,615 deputy warden, it takes that away. 5068 02:13:35,615 --> 02:13:37,487 I like the motion, it cleans it 5069 02:13:37,487 --> 02:13:37,487 up 5070 02:13:37,487 --> 02:13:39,272 up and it moves us forward as a 5071 02:13:39,272 --> 02:13:40,359 unified council. 5072 02:13:40,359 --> 02:13:41,961 and I will be supporting the 5073 02:13:41,961 --> 02:13:41,961 motion. 5074 02:13:41,961 --> 02:13:45,780 >> councillor bondi? 5075 02:13:45,780 --> 02:13:46,778 >> thank you warden macdonald. 5076 02:13:46,778 --> 02:13:46,778 5077 02:13:46,778 --> 02:13:48,689 I would be interested in seeing 5078 02:13:48,689 --> 02:13:50,463 if any other municipalities have 5079 02:13:50,463 --> 02:13:50,463 5080 02:13:50,463 --> 02:13:53,292 a two year mark where they allow 5081 02:13:53,292 --> 02:13:53,292 5082 02:13:53,292 --> 02:13:55,648 council to have another election. 5083 02:13:55,648 --> 02:13:55,648 council to have another election. 5084 02:13:55,648 --> 02:13:57,921 that is something I heard this 5085 02:13:57,921 --> 02:13:57,921 5086 02:13:57,921 --> 02:13:57,921 term. 5087 02:13:57,921 --> 02:14:00,398 and the other thing -- it's too 5088 02:14:00,398 --> 02:14:00,398 bad 5089 02:14:00,398 --> 02:14:01,829 bad we don't engage the members 5090 02:14:01,829 --> 02:14:01,879 of the 5091 02:14:01,879 --> 02:14:02,959 of the public in some form 5092 02:14:02,959 --> 02:14:04,073 because many of the members of 5093 02:14:04,073 --> 02:14:05,785 the public would love to be 5094 02:14:05,785 --> 02:14:05,785 engaged. 5095 02:14:05,785 --> 02:14:08,125 I know that is not possible, but 5096 02:14:08,125 --> 02:14:08,998 I'm just saying I wish the 5097 02:14:08,998 --> 02:14:10,213 public could have a say in who 5098 02:14:10,213 --> 02:14:10,213 would 5099 02:14:10,213 --> 02:14:12,678 would be their warden. 5100 02:14:12,678 --> 02:14:14,202 the other thing is, I did bring 5101 02:14:14,202 --> 02:14:15,547 this up in my governance 5102 02:14:15,547 --> 02:14:16,555 meeting, I don't really want to 5103 02:14:16,555 --> 02:14:16,555 have 5104 02:14:16,555 --> 02:14:18,460 have to write a name, because my handwriting 5105 02:14:18,460 --> 02:14:19,873 handwriting is so atrocious that 5106 02:14:19,873 --> 02:14:21,279 no matter who the scrutineers 5107 02:14:21,279 --> 02:14:22,699 are, they will be able to tell 5108 02:14:22,699 --> 02:14:22,699 5109 02:14:22,699 --> 02:14:25,535 who I voted for. 5110 02:14:25,535 --> 02:14:27,717 so I would like a safeguard in 5111 02:14:27,717 --> 02:14:27,717 place 5112 02:14:27,717 --> 02:14:29,205 place so that my sloppy 5113 02:14:29,205 --> 02:14:33,187 handwriting is confidential and 5114 02:14:33,187 --> 02:14:33,236 at this 5115 02:14:33,236 --> 02:14:34,604 at this point, I think we are 5116 02:14:34,604 --> 02:14:36,076 just getting information to look at 5117 02:14:36,076 --> 02:14:37,522 at changing our procedure bylaw 5118 02:14:37,522 --> 02:14:39,299 and I will support the motion 5119 02:14:39,299 --> 02:14:40,408 tonight, I hope that we get a 5120 02:14:40,408 --> 02:14:42,563 lot more information off what other 5121 02:14:42,563 --> 02:14:43,682 other towns are doing. 5122 02:14:43,682 --> 02:14:44,643 there could be some other 5123 02:14:44,643 --> 02:14:46,871 tweaks, some other best practices. 5124 02:14:46,871 --> 02:14:46,871 tweaks, some other best practices. 5125 02:14:46,871 --> 02:14:48,383 I like out-of-the-box thinking 5126 02:14:48,383 --> 02:14:48,383 5127 02:14:48,383 --> 02:14:50,739 and I like transparency in elections. 5128 02:14:50,739 --> 02:14:50,739 and I like transparency in elections. 5129 02:14:50,739 --> 02:14:54,024 the one caution I have is say a 5130 02:14:54,024 --> 02:14:56,099 warden is a trump and the deputy 5131 02:14:56,099 --> 02:14:57,224 warden has their name in and they don't 5132 02:14:57,224 --> 02:14:58,390 they don't want to work with 5133 02:14:58,390 --> 02:15:01,215 that trump, so there is that 5134 02:15:01,215 --> 02:15:05,435 caution of pairing a nonsuitable 5135 02:15:05,435 --> 02:15:05,435 5136 02:15:05,435 --> 02:15:07,751 warden, deputy warden match. 5137 02:15:07,751 --> 02:15:08,782 if they are kind of going in at 5138 02:15:08,782 --> 02:15:10,761 the same time. 5139 02:15:10,761 --> 02:15:12,387 that is something that I thought 5140 02:15:12,387 --> 02:15:12,387 I 5141 02:15:12,387 --> 02:15:13,066 I should bring up. 5142 02:15:13,066 --> 02:15:14,831 but I look forward to furthering 5143 02:15:14,831 --> 02:15:14,831 the 5144 02:15:14,831 --> 02:15:16,280 the discussion and thank 5145 02:15:16,280 --> 02:15:17,682 administration for working on 5146 02:15:17,682 --> 02:15:17,682 this. 5147 02:15:17,682 --> 02:15:21,655 >> anyone else? 5148 02:15:21,655 --> 02:15:25,337 in that case then, I will ask 5149 02:15:25,337 --> 02:15:28,354 you to vote electronically. 5150 02:15:28,354 --> 02:15:33,865 councillor mcnamara? 5151 02:15:33,865 --> 02:15:36,701 in favour? 5152 02:15:36,701 --> 02:15:47,281 and that is carried, thank you 5153 02:15:47,281 --> 02:15:47,281 . 5154 02:15:47,281 --> 02:15:48,894 any other matters of new business 5155 02:15:48,894 --> 02:15:50,784 business to bring forward this 5156 02:15:50,784 --> 02:15:50,784 5157 02:15:50,784 --> 02:15:50,784 evening? 5158 02:15:50,784 --> 02:15:55,373 councillor deyong? 5159 02:15:55,373 --> 02:15:56,963 >> thank you warden. 5160 02:15:56,963 --> 02:15:58,057 it has come to my attention that there 5161 02:15:58,057 --> 02:16:00,943 there is a safety concern at the 5162 02:16:00,943 --> 02:16:00,943 5163 02:16:00,943 --> 02:16:01,905 intersection of the provincial 5164 02:16:01,905 --> 02:16:01,905 5165 02:16:01,905 --> 02:16:04,750 highway number 3 and county road 5166 02:16:04,750 --> 02:16:04,750 29. 5167 02:16:04,750 --> 02:16:04,750 29. 5168 02:16:04,750 --> 02:16:07,028 I did contact administration, 5169 02:16:07,028 --> 02:16:07,726 thank you for jumping on it 5170 02:16:07,726 --> 02:16:08,276 right away. 5171 02:16:08,276 --> 02:16:10,117 there were three accidents this 5172 02:16:10,117 --> 02:16:10,117 5173 02:16:10,117 --> 02:16:10,117 week. 5174 02:16:10,117 --> 02:16:12,367 and comments on my social media 5175 02:16:12,367 --> 02:16:12,367 5176 02:16:12,367 --> 02:16:13,836 are accurate, there were several 5177 02:16:13,836 --> 02:16:13,836 5178 02:16:13,836 --> 02:16:14,875 close calls. 5179 02:16:14,875 --> 02:16:15,920 I'm just wondering if 5180 02:16:15,920 --> 02:16:17,090 administration has any update and 5181 02:16:17,090 --> 02:16:18,165 and if there is anything you can 5182 02:16:18,165 --> 02:16:21,766 tell us tonight about that. 5183 02:16:21,766 --> 02:16:22,733 >> marissa? 5184 02:16:22,733 --> 02:16:25,196 >> through you madam warden, 5185 02:16:25,196 --> 02:16:25,196 yes. 5186 02:16:25,196 --> 02:16:27,843 thank you councillor for the question. 5187 02:16:27,843 --> 02:16:27,843 thank you councillor for the question. 5188 02:16:27,843 --> 02:16:29,336 we have connected with the 5189 02:16:29,336 --> 02:16:30,382 ministry of transportation and 5190 02:16:30,382 --> 02:16:32,780 shared our concerns. 5191 02:16:32,780 --> 02:16:34,589 they have responded back and 5192 02:16:34,589 --> 02:16:36,028 acknowledged this and they have 5193 02:16:36,028 --> 02:16:36,078 committed that 5194 02:16:36,078 --> 02:16:36,842 committed that they are 5195 02:16:36,842 --> 02:16:37,794 undertaking a review of the 5196 02:16:37,794 --> 02:16:38,867 traffic patterns and signal 5197 02:16:38,867 --> 02:16:40,273 timings and will provide us an 5198 02:16:40,273 --> 02:16:40,273 5199 02:16:40,273 --> 02:16:41,564 update back when they have 5200 02:16:41,564 --> 02:16:43,945 completed that review. 5201 02:16:43,945 --> 02:16:44,925 >> thank you. 5202 02:16:44,925 --> 02:16:46,407 maybe when you are conversing 5203 02:16:46,407 --> 02:16:48,234 with them, people are saying 5204 02:16:48,234 --> 02:16:50,086 that this similar issue is at other 5205 02:16:50,086 --> 02:16:50,804 other intersections, they are 5206 02:16:50,804 --> 02:16:51,979 just not as busy. 5207 02:16:51,979 --> 02:16:53,047 maybe they are not having 5208 02:16:53,047 --> 02:16:53,995 accidents but they are still 5209 02:16:53,995 --> 02:16:55,437 having close calls. 5210 02:16:55,437 --> 02:16:56,907 maybe they can take a look -- they 5211 02:16:56,907 --> 02:16:59,386 they are so wide now, with a road 5212 02:16:59,386 --> 02:17:01,262 road closure. 5213 02:17:01,262 --> 02:17:02,699 with a review of three or four 5214 02:17:02,699 --> 02:17:04,055 and that stretch could happen, 5215 02:17:04,055 --> 02:17:04,055 5216 02:17:04,055 --> 02:17:04,434 thank you. 5217 02:17:04,434 --> 02:17:06,326 >> through you madam warden, certainly 5218 02:17:06,326 --> 02:17:07,747 certainly they have noted that. 5219 02:17:07,747 --> 02:17:07,747 5220 02:17:07,747 --> 02:17:09,152 because so many intersections are 5221 02:17:09,152 --> 02:17:10,575 are closed and there are changes 5222 02:17:10,575 --> 02:17:10,575 during 5223 02:17:10,575 --> 02:17:11,652 during construction, they will 5224 02:17:11,652 --> 02:17:11,652 5225 02:17:11,652 --> 02:17:13,041 be under review, we will certainly 5226 02:17:13,041 --> 02:17:15,260 certainly follow up with that. 5227 02:17:15,260 --> 02:17:15,260 5228 02:17:15,260 --> 02:17:16,688 >> anyone else? 5229 02:17:16,688 --> 02:17:17,751 new business? 5230 02:17:17,751 --> 02:17:19,899 seeing none, onto adoption of 5231 02:17:19,899 --> 02:17:19,899 bylaws. There 5232 02:17:19,899 --> 02:17:21,658 there are four bylaws for council's 5233 02:17:21,658 --> 02:17:23,108 council's consideration this evening. 5234 02:17:23,108 --> 02:17:23,108 council's consideration this evening. 5235 02:17:23,108 --> 02:17:25,155 they will be read by the county 5236 02:17:25,155 --> 02:17:25,155 5237 02:17:25,155 --> 02:17:25,155 clerk. 5238 02:17:25,155 --> 02:17:29,227 >> thank you warden. 5239 02:17:29,227 --> 02:17:31,766 bylaw number 2026-21 being a 5240 02:17:31,766 --> 02:17:33,571 bylaw to authorize the execution 5241 02:17:33,571 --> 02:17:33,621 of an 5242 02:17:33,621 --> 02:17:34,256 of an agreement between the 5243 02:17:34,256 --> 02:17:37,368 corporation of the county of 5244 02:17:37,368 --> 02:17:42,945 essex and khanda nand inc. 5245 02:17:42,945 --> 02:17:45,740 bylaw number 2026-30 being a 5246 02:17:45,740 --> 02:17:46,572 bylaw to authorize the 5247 02:17:46,572 --> 02:17:47,937 allocation of funds to the lower 5248 02:17:47,937 --> 02:17:47,937 tier 5249 02:17:47,937 --> 02:17:48,641 tier municipalities in the 5250 02:17:48,641 --> 02:17:50,056 county of essex, being the towns 5251 02:17:50,056 --> 02:17:50,056 of 5252 02:17:50,056 --> 02:17:51,497 of amherstburg, essex, 5253 02:17:51,497 --> 02:17:53,355 kingsville, lasalle, tecumseh in the 5254 02:17:53,355 --> 02:17:53,925 the municipalities of lakeshore 5255 02:17:53,925 --> 02:17:53,925 and 5256 02:17:53,925 --> 02:17:54,802 and leamington in accordance 5257 02:17:54,802 --> 02:17:56,285 with section 5.3 of the 5258 02:17:56,285 --> 02:17:58,074 agreement with the association 5259 02:17:58,074 --> 02:17:58,074 of 5260 02:17:58,074 --> 02:17:59,447 of municipalities of ontario, building 5261 02:17:59,447 --> 02:18:00,565 building community strong fund. 5262 02:18:00,565 --> 02:18:00,565 5263 02:18:00,565 --> 02:18:02,721 bylaw number 2026-32 being a 5264 02:18:02,721 --> 02:18:03,720 bylaw to establish the state of 5265 02:18:03,720 --> 02:18:06,288 good repair life cycle reserve. 5266 02:18:06,288 --> 02:18:06,288 5267 02:18:06,288 --> 02:18:08,869 bylaw number 2026-33 being a 5268 02:18:08,869 --> 02:18:10,242 bylaw to confirm the proceedings 5269 02:18:10,242 --> 02:18:10,292 of the 5270 02:18:10,292 --> 02:18:11,012 of the council of the 5271 02:18:11,012 --> 02:18:12,058 corporation of the county of 5272 02:18:12,058 --> 02:18:13,177 essex, regular and closed 5273 02:18:13,177 --> 02:18:17,468 meetings for august fifth, 2026. 5274 02:18:17,468 --> 02:18:17,468 5275 02:18:17,468 --> 02:18:18,885 >> thank you kate. There 5276 02:18:18,885 --> 02:18:20,942 there is a recommendation that 5277 02:18:20,942 --> 02:18:20,942 5278 02:18:20,942 --> 02:18:27,076 bylaws 2026-21, 2026-30, 2026-32 5279 02:18:27,076 --> 02:18:27,076 5280 02:18:27,076 --> 02:18:29,030 and 2026-33 be given three 5281 02:18:29,030 --> 02:18:30,197 readings, and having been ready 5282 02:18:30,197 --> 02:18:30,197 5283 02:18:30,197 --> 02:18:32,496 first, second and third time, be 5284 02:18:32,496 --> 02:18:32,496 5285 02:18:32,496 --> 02:18:34,305 finally passed and enacted. 5286 02:18:34,305 --> 02:18:38,160 moved by councillor shepley, 5287 02:18:38,160 --> 02:18:39,636 seconded by councillor 5288 02:18:39,636 --> 02:18:39,636 wallerstedt. 5289 02:18:39,636 --> 02:18:41,782 any discussion? 5290 02:18:41,782 --> 02:18:43,256 I will ask you to vote 5291 02:18:43,256 --> 02:18:46,045 electronically please. 5292 02:18:46,045 --> 02:19:02,525 >> and gary is in favour? 5293 02:19:02,525 --> 02:19:07,397 >> and that is carried. 5294 02:19:07,397 --> 02:19:10,824 I see gary gave us a thumbs up 5295 02:19:10,824 --> 02:19:10,824 . 5296 02:19:10,824 --> 02:19:13,941 notices of motions to be 5297 02:19:13,941 --> 02:19:17,106 introduced for august fifth, 2026. 5298 02:19:17,106 --> 02:19:17,106 introduced for august fifth, 2026. 5299 02:19:17,106 --> 02:19:17,106 none? 5300 02:19:17,106 --> 02:19:17,106 none? 5301 02:19:17,106 --> 02:19:23,896 thank you! 5302 02:19:23,896 --> 02:19:25,947 all matters of business have 5303 02:19:25,947 --> 02:19:28,224 been addressed, and it was a 5304 02:19:28,224 --> 02:19:30,233 really good meeting, thank you 5305 02:19:30,233 --> 02:19:30,233 everyone. 5306 02:19:30,233 --> 02:19:30,233 everyone. 5307 02:19:30,233 --> 02:19:33,567 with that, the recommendation is 5308 02:19:33,567 --> 02:19:33,567 5309 02:19:33,567 --> 02:19:34,621 essex county council meeting for 5310 02:19:34,621 --> 02:19:38,290 august fifth, 2026 be adjourned 5311 02:19:38,290 --> 02:19:38,290 at 5312 02:19:38,290 --> 02:19:40,254 at 8:30 p.m. 5313 02:19:40,254 --> 02:19:42,922 moved by councillor deyong -- 5314 02:19:42,922 --> 02:19:43,707 thank you councillor 5315 02:19:43,707 --> 02:19:43,707 macnamara. 5316 02:19:43,707 --> 02:19:46,586 anybody want to discuss the 5317 02:19:46,586 --> 02:19:46,586 motion? 5318 02:19:46,586 --> 02:19:49,476 seeing none all in favour by a 5319 02:19:49,476 --> 02:19:50,007 show of hands? 5320 02:19:50,007 --> 02:19:51,877 that carries unanimously, 5321 02:19:51,877 --> 02:19:54,897 thank you, good night!