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>>Chair Okimoto: aloha and

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good afternoon.

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It is 1:50 P.M.

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JUNE 27, 2024.

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I calm -- call the committee on

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public safety to order.

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I would like to welcome

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committee vice chair

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councilmember tulba and

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councilmember dos santos-tam.

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Councilmember tupola is excused

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from today's meeting.

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Also joining us today is

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councilmember say.

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Pursuant to section 92-3.7,

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hawai'I revised statutes, this

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meeting will be conducted as

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a remote meeting by interactive

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conference technology, with the

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following procedures in

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effect for the meeting.

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Members of the public will be

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allowed to provide oral

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testimony on all items on the

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agenda in the following order.

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each item is taken up.

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conclude promptly.

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monitor your screen and activate

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your audio feed when profited.

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will identify you by the last

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Some friendly reminders and

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proceedings on olelo, please

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zero, conclude promptly.

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Hrs 92-3.7 requires all votes at

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remote meetings be conducted by

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roll call unless unanimous.

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Therefore I will first call for

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objections, if there are any, I

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all cell phones for the duration

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of this meeting.

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Item one.

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Resolution 24-127.

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Confirming the appointment of

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arnold wong to serve on the fire

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commission of the city and

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county of honolulu.

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With us, I believe we have the

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MR. Arnold wong.

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If you will introduce yourself.

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>> thank you.

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My name is arnold wong.

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I'm very honored to be here

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Being the nominated for the fire

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commission.

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Just a brief, I said if council

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that I'm here to serve the

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community.

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Because the men that helped my

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parents, my friends and family,

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I can't say much more than they

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helped them in the time of need.

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And I want to help them to get

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all the resources available so

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they can do their services for

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>>Chair Okimoto: thank you,

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MR. Wong.

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Members, any questions for MR.

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Wong?

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I have a quick question.

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And thank you for the

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opportunity to meet in my

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And I shared with you and I'll

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be probably asking you in the

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setting, maybe the public MAY

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not know.

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You had the opportunity to serve

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previously on the commission,

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and you're having this

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opportunity.

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I wanted to ask you what do you

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think you could bring from then

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and what other than what you've

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ahead to return to the

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commission?

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Because it a voluntary act of

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>> interesting part is when I

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first volunteered, there was no

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rules for the fire commission

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itself.

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Not the fire department but

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commission, so I assisted in of

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drafting and processing the

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rules to allow the commission to

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move smoothly and to work better

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for the departments and members

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of the public.

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Additionally, I'm going to use

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the word tasked by the

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commission to work on the

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At that time, no one was working

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on the budget, and that's part

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of the charter that the

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commission needs to review the

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budget and provide it to the

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mayor and council with the fire

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department's approval.

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To we showed that there were

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some knees there, -- needs there.

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I'm hoping that this information

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I bring will assist the

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department and the community,

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council to assist in sighing, --

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saying this is the transparency

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we need for the budget and what

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This is the word transparency

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that's being used now days.

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Are they reallyllysing t the

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municipa money

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r w what they're doing?We

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panipass -- money is being usedprop

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>>Chair Okimotok thank yo

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much.

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Members, further questions?

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We'll proce with in-person

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>>Clerk: chair, there are

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>>Chair Okimoto: remote

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nonregister remote testifiers?

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>>Clerk: chair, there are

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>>Chair Okimoto: thank you.

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Members,e we areow now in

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siscussion.

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Any discussion?

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Thank you, MR. Wong, for the

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opportunity to meet withou you and

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comingay.

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We look forward to continuing

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the journ for for you.

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I want thank you for what you're

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I appreciate what you stated on

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your desire to make sure that

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the community is getting the

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best resources and however the

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department can do that, you're

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So thank you so much.

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Seeing no further discussions,

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the chair recommends that

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resolution 24-127 be reported

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Agenda item number two.

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Resolution 24-161.

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Accepts gift to the city valued

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at $50,000 from othram inc., for

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dna testing to identify five

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human remains under the

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jurisdiction of the department

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of the medical examiner.

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With is today, I believe we we we

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have our medical examiner.

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Director kobayashi.

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>> thank you very much.

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My again is masahiko kobayashi,

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the medical examiner.

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On JANUARY 3, advanced dna

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testing on five sets of

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identified remains our

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department has.

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58 identified remains since

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but we still have dna samples or

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skeletons from 38 cases.

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Othram collected from grant and

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also donations and offered this

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testing to many law enforcement

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agencies, medical examiner

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offices and cor ner's offices

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nationwide.

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09 ot09 -- othram helped them solve

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many cold cases.

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They have selected five of our

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Found between 2000 and 2015, and

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the testing will be performed by

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genealogy testing which can be a

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better tool.

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So we hope we can find relatives

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of these cases, and eventually

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make identification on them.

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their death are not really

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MAY lead to additionaller new

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information and we can have more

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clear understanding of these

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Forensic jeanologyjeanology tests

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about $10,000 a case.

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Our department cannot afford.

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This is a really, really great

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opportunity, and we respectfully

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request your approval of this

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gift.

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>>Chair Okimoto: thank you so

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much, medical examiner

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kobayashi.

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Members, any questions for DR.

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Kobayashi?

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>>Councilmember Dos

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santos-tam: I e-mailed you

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about how many sets of remains

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unidentified remains are there

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in your custody overall?

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>> we have 38.

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38 cases, but actually many of

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them are cremated.

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We only have dna samples but

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skeleton cases, it's easier keep

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so we have several skeleton

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cases.

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>>Chair Okimoto: okay.

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Thank you, councilmember dos

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santos-tam.

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Members, any further questions?

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No questions.

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Okay.

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Thank you, DR. Kobayashi.

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We'll proceed with in-person

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testimony.

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Clerks, any registered or

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nonregistered in-person

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testifiers?

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>>Clerk: chair, will are none.

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>>Chair Okimoto: thank you.

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Clerks, any registered or

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nonregister remote testifiers?

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>>Clerk: there are none.

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>>Chair Okimoto: members,

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we're in discussion.

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Okay.

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DR. Kobayashi, thank you once

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again.

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We know that you just had an

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article in civil beat with you

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and hearing about the depth and

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breathe and what you're

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responsible for, it's not an

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easy task.

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Thank you for what you're doing.

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And I know that the work you're

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doing is very important.

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Not just for the city but for

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the individual families whose

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members might have been a part

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of the remains that you're

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identifying.

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Anything that we in council can

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do to support you, thankful for

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this opportunity to have this

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gift received on your behalf.

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>> thank thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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>>Chair Okimoto: chair

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recommends that 4-161 be

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reported for adoption.

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Anyobjections or reservations?

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Hawai'I.

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Resolution 24-144.

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Accepts a gift to the city

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valued at $3,000 from spike'

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s k9

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fund for custom fitted k9

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ballistic vests for use by the

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honolulu police department'

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s

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specialized services division'

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s

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canine unit.

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With is today, major han from

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the honolulu police department.

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Aloha, major.

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>> hi.

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Good afternoon.

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I'm hunter alu with the special

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specialized service division.

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Here to accept the gift for our

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k9.

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>>Chair Okimoto: members, any

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questions?

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None.

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We'll p wceed with in-person

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testimony.

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Clerks do we have any registered

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or nonregistered in-person

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testifiers?

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>>Clerk: chair, we have one

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standing by.

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>>Chair Okimoto: aloha.

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Angela.

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If you could state your name.

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>>Testifier: angela melody

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young testifying on behalf of

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cares.

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In strong support.

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So the resolution is to provide

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for the canine unit, which is

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part of an entire team made up

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of the specialized services

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division, which performs

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diversion functions which

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requires unique skills.

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And so the entire team include

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S.W.A.T., bomb squad, canine

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unit and helicopter section.

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So, of course, with the

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resolution, it does support one

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part of the team, and however,

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in a division, each section

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functions better together when

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the group can cooperate.

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And foundation under diverse

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function, right.

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Suchs a marijuana eradication,

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arrests and warrants and working

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with federal agencies to provide

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protection for national and

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international diplomats.

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And with the special focus on

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the canine unit, officers and

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puppies are could upon to search

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prisoner, and felony suspects

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and explosive detection.

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>>Chair Okimoto: thank you.

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>>Clerk:s, do we -- any other

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in-person?

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>>Clerk: there are none.

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>>Chair Okimoto: registered or

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nonregistered remote testifiers?

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>>Clerk: there are none.

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>>Chair Okimoto: thank you.

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Members, we're in discussion.

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Seeing no further discussion,

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the chair recommends that

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resolution 24-144 be reported

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out for adoption.

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Any discussion, objections or

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reservations?

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Seeing none, so ordered.

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Moving to agenda item number 4.

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Resolution 24-146.

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Accepts a gift to the city

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valued at $10,000 from vested

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interest in k9s, inc., for k9

442
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ballistic vests k9 first-aid

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kits, and k9 narcan kits for use

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by the honolulu police

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department'

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s specialized

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services division and

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narcotic/vice division canine

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units.

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Withwith is again we have major

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hunter.

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>> good afternoon.

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I'm here on behalf of honolulu

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police department to accept a

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gift valuedt at $10,000 to

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further provide for our

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specialized service division.

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>>Councilmember Dos

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santos-tam: has hpd had to use

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those yet?

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Have the dogs been exposed to

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phenomenal or open yets in the

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course of their duties?

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>> I apologize.

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I'm new to the unit.

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Not familiar with any narcan

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being used for our canine.

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>>Chair Okimoto: in-person

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testimony.

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Any registered or nonregistered?

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>>Clerk: we have one standing

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by.

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>>Chair Okimoto: aloha,

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angela.

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>>Testifier: aloha.

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Angela melody young testifying

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on behalf of cares in strong

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support of the resolution.

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So we're in support because

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puppies are medically valuable

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and it's very valuable to public

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safety matters.

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For example, puppies can get

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trained to go to certification

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class to detect high blood

486
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pressure, and it's very helpful

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for investigative matters.

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Thank you.

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>>Chair Okimoto: thank you so

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much, angela.

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Ksclerks, any further in-person

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testifiers?

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>>Clerk: there are are none.

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>>Chair Okimoto: any

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registered or nonregistered

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remote testifiers.

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>>Clerk: chair, there are

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none.

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>>Chair Okimoto: before we go

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to discuss, I would like to

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welcome to the chamber council

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chair waters.

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Thank you for joining us.

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Seeing no further testifiers,

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we're in discussion.

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With no further discussion, the

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chair recommends that resolution

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24-146 be reported out for

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adoption.

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Any further discussion,

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objections or reservations?

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Hearing none, so ordered.

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Moving to agenda item number 5.

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Resolution 24-143.

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Establishing a task force on

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gambling rooms.

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Members, we have distribute a

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hand carried cd one verse of the

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resolution.

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Ocs 2024-0641.

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Hand-carried cd1 makes the

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following amendments.

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A, in the second be it further

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resolved clause, places blank

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space of 90 days to the task

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force to submit a written

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support of findings and

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recommend lags.

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B, make technical, miscellaneous

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and non-substantive

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we have

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and dawn from department of

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permitting and planning.

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Major mike lambburt?

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We have director apuna.

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Aloha.

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>> aloha, chair, vice chair and

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council chair, members.

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Committee.

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Dawn.

541
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Thank you for this opportunity

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to speak on this resolution.

543
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I think it's a good idea.

544
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There's a lot that's already

545
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going on with hpd and dpp and

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hfd under some of the operation

547
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that hpd has conduct the, and

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they've been very successful.

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this might be the

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opportunity to

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lay out how we can continue in a

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more official manner in order to

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make sure we can have this carry

554
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out throughout the island.

555
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It's mostly in kalihi.

556
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So I'm available for any

557
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questions.

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Thank you.

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>>Chair Okimoto: thank you,

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director apuna.

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Members, any questions?

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Councilmember say.

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>>Councilmember Say: yes,

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director apuna 8, would you be

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open to corporation counsel for

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their legal advice?

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>> yes.

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I think that would be a good

569
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idea.

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>>Councilmember Say: you have

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five members on the task force.

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Three from the prosecutor's

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office.

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Police department and dpp.

575
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And two councilmembers.

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So if you want to do six,

577
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aferred -- add

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on corporation corporation counsel for legal

579
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intertakes of the laws.

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>>Chair Okimoto: thank you.

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Members, any further questions?

582
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Thank you, director apunana.

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Anyperson testimony.

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Clerks, any registered or

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00:19:42,169 --> 00:19:43,204
nonregistered?

586
00:19:43,204 --> 00:19:43,464
>>Clerk: we have one standing

587
00:19:43,464 --> 00:19:44,671
by.

588
00:19:44,671 --> 00:19:45,139
>>Chair Okimoto: aloha,

589
00:19:45,139 --> 00:19:46,640
angela.

590
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,410
>>Testifier: aloha.

591
00:19:48,410 --> 00:19:48,508
I want to testify in strong

592
00:19:48,508 --> 00:19:50,508
support.

593
00:19:50,778 --> 00:19:54,480
I think I talked about a po

594
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,480
tension idea for a collaboration

595
00:19:57,117 --> 00:19:59,517
with these specific officers.

596
00:19:59,753 --> 00:20:02,389
So I think it's a good idea to

597
00:20:02,389 --> 00:20:04,240
work with the city's prosecuting

598
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,240
attorney and also the honolulu

599
00:20:07,528 --> 00:20:09,397
police department and dpp to

600
00:20:09,397 --> 00:20:11,310
collaborate as well as with

601
00:20:11,310 --> 00:20:11,699
corporation counsel.

602
00:20:11,699 --> 00:20:13,699
Yeah.

603
00:20:13,801 --> 00:20:14,435
Because each office has special

604
00:20:14,435 --> 00:20:16,435
focuses.

605
00:20:16,971 --> 00:20:19,400
So when they contribute to the

606
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:19,974
planning, it's more effective in

607
00:20:19,974 --> 00:20:21,974
the results.

608
00:20:22,209 --> 00:20:23,760
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you,

609
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,760
angela.

610
00:20:25,612 --> 00:20:26,460
Clerks, any other in-person

611
00:20:26,460 --> 00:20:27,140
testifiers?

612
00:20:27,140 --> 00:20:27,275
>>Clerk: chair, there are

613
00:20:27,275 --> 00:20:28,749
none.

614
00:20:28,749 --> 00:20:29,883
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you.

615
00:20:29,883 --> 00:20:30,651
We'll proceed with remote

616
00:20:30,651 --> 00:20:32,651
testimony.

617
00:20:33,253 --> 00:20:34,388
Clerks, any registered or

618
00:20:34,388 --> 00:20:35,456
nonregistered remote testifiers?

619
00:20:35,456 --> 00:20:35,712
>>Clerk: chair, there are

620
00:20:35,712 --> 00:20:36,924
none.

621
00:20:36,924 --> 00:20:38,659
>>Chair Okimoto: seeing no

622
00:20:38,659 --> 00:20:40,160
further testifiers, members,

623
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,595
we're in discussion.

624
00:20:41,595 --> 00:20:42,290
No discussion.

625
00:20:42,290 --> 00:20:44,290
Okay.

626
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,281
Judge at 132, we call the

627
00:20:59,281 --> 00:21:00,483
committee on public safety back

628
00:21:00,483 --> 00:21:02,218
into order.

629
00:21:02,218 --> 00:21:04,218
Thank you, members.

630
00:21:04,987 --> 00:21:06,957
Just to recap where we're at.

631
00:21:06,957 --> 00:21:08,891
We finished discussion and so

632
00:21:08,891 --> 00:21:09,258
we're moving on to

633
00:21:09,258 --> 00:21:11,258
recommendation.

634
00:21:12,940 --> 00:21:14,494
The chair recommends that

635
00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:17,333
resolution 24-143 be amended to

636
00:21:17,333 --> 00:21:19,733
the hand-carried cd1 as

637
00:21:23,673 --> 00:21:26,730
identified as ocs 2024-0641.

638
00:21:26,343 --> 00:21:27,744
Any further discussion?

639
00:21:27,744 --> 00:21:28,778
Objections or reservations?

640
00:21:28,778 --> 00:21:31,347
Hearing none the resolution has

641
00:21:31,347 --> 00:21:34,317
been amended to a cd1.

642
00:21:34,317 --> 00:21:36,285
The chair recommendings that

643
00:21:36,285 --> 00:21:38,685
resolution 24-143 cd1 be

644
00:21:38,822 --> 00:21:40,823
reportedly out for adoption with

645
00:21:40,823 --> 00:21:43,223
the attention to incorporated

646
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:44,894
councilmember say's verbal

647
00:21:44,894 --> 00:21:47,294
recommendation and will be

648
00:21:48,198 --> 00:21:50,198
requesting an fd1.

649
00:21:51,601 --> 00:21:54,100
any objection or reservations?

650
00:21:55,505 --> 00:21:56,740
Hearing none, so ordered.

651
00:21:56,740 --> 00:21:57,807
Yes, councilmember say?

652
00:21:57,807 --> 00:21:59,807
>>Councilmember Say: the

653
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,945
reason why for the request is

654
00:22:02,945 --> 00:22:04,414
that in most cases, as

655
00:22:04,414 --> 00:22:06,115
violations go through the

656
00:22:06,115 --> 00:22:08,515
department of planning and

657
00:22:08,851 --> 00:22:10,253
permitting, the enforcement

658
00:22:10,253 --> 00:22:11,754
comes into play, which is

659
00:22:11,754 --> 00:22:13,754
corporation counsel.

660
00:22:14,757 --> 00:22:16,893
That's the reason why I tried to

661
00:22:16,893 --> 00:22:19,293
interject maybe the corporation

662
00:22:19,829 --> 00:22:20,130
counsel should be part of the

663
00:22:20,130 --> 00:22:21,640
task force.

664
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:22,398
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you,

665
00:22:22,398 --> 00:22:23,299
councilmember say, for

666
00:22:23,299 --> 00:22:25,268
clarifying.

667
00:22:25,268 --> 00:22:25,702
I failed to mention that during

668
00:22:25,702 --> 00:22:27,702
discussion.

669
00:22:27,971 --> 00:22:29,405
Was to add a member of the task

670
00:22:29,405 --> 00:22:32,405
force to be from corp

671
00:22:32,476 --> 00:22:34,211
counselleling he. Corp counsel.

672
00:22:34,211 --> 00:22:36,211
Thank you.

673
00:22:37,447 --> 00:22:38,715
Clerks, we're okay in thank?

674
00:22:38,715 --> 00:22:40,715
Thank you.

675
00:22:45,822 --> 00:22:47,822
Item number 6,

676
00:22:49,392 --> 00:22:51,392
bill 22, 2024.

677
00:22:51,795 --> 00:22:54,195
Relates to fire code.

678
00:22:56,566 --> 00:22:59,566
Fire chief sheldon and battalion

679
00:23:04,941 --> 00:23:06,941
chief with us.

680
00:23:09,112 --> 00:23:09,579
Aloha chief hao.

681
00:23:09,579 --> 00:23:11,214
>> aloha.

682
00:23:11,214 --> 00:23:13,614
Good afternoon, chair okimoto,

683
00:23:13,616 --> 00:23:14,183
viceir chair tulba,

684
00:23:14,183 --> 00:23:16,183
councilmembers.

685
00:23:16,252 --> 00:23:18,421
Good afternoon and thank you for

686
00:23:18,421 --> 00:23:21,421
this opportunity to testify on

687
00:23:22,158 --> 00:23:24,158
this bill.

688
00:23:26,763 --> 00:23:27,300
First off, hfd strongly opposes

689
00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:29,300
bill 22.

690
00:23:32,135 --> 00:23:34,370
I wanted to share -- ome -- excuse

691
00:23:34,370 --> 00:23:36,172
me.

692
00:23:36,172 --> 00:23:38,375
Some history behind the bill.

693
00:23:38,375 --> 00:23:38,809
So we have a power point up

694
00:23:38,809 --> 00:23:40,809
there.

695
00:23:46,483 --> 00:23:49,483
Back in 2010 bill 22 was passed

696
00:23:51,288 --> 00:23:52,923
and put a ban.

697
00:23:52,923 --> 00:23:54,792
Then it was legalized.

698
00:23:54,792 --> 00:23:57,694
From my understanding it was

699
00:23:57,694 --> 00:23:59,162
deferred because of possible

700
00:23:59,162 --> 00:24:01,162
lack of statistics.

701
00:24:01,565 --> 00:24:03,333
We're here in 2024 with bill 22.

702
00:24:03,333 --> 00:24:06,736
So I wanted to share some

703
00:24:06,736 --> 00:24:08,771
statistics that we had from

704
00:24:08,771 --> 00:24:10,707
medical statistics that we got

705
00:24:10,707 --> 00:24:11,775
from the state department of

706
00:24:11,775 --> 00:24:12,208
health, injury prevention

707
00:24:12,208 --> 00:24:14,208
section.

708
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:18,448
We only have data from 2017 to

709
00:24:18,448 --> 00:24:20,150
2019.

710
00:24:20,150 --> 00:24:21,985
So I wanted to take a look, if

711
00:24:21,985 --> 00:24:23,453
you can see the chart and graph,

712
00:24:23,453 --> 00:24:25,453
it's color-coded.

713
00:24:25,689 --> 00:24:26,230
You can see that line coming

714
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:27,891
down.

715
00:24:27,891 --> 00:24:28,558
That's where the ban took

716
00:24:28,558 --> 00:24:30,558
effect.

717
00:24:32,796 --> 00:24:33,696
You can visually see the

718
00:24:33,696 --> 00:24:35,666
reduction injuries.

719
00:24:35,666 --> 00:24:38,100
And again, these are injuries

720
00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:40,300
that required medical attention

721
00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:41,138
at the emergency department

722
00:24:41,138 --> 00:24:43,138
throughout the hospitals.

723
00:24:44,207 --> 00:24:46,430
Each of these is countywide.

724
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:47,411
Red is countywide.

725
00:24:47,411 --> 00:24:50,280
If you look at the individual

726
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:50,714
barrings for oahu county, it's

727
00:24:50,714 --> 00:24:51,915
white.

728
00:24:51,915 --> 00:24:53,160
Has the highest.

729
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,286
To the left we have a claret.

730
00:24:56,286 --> 00:24:58,355
If I look at the four years

731
00:24:58,355 --> 00:25:01,355
preceding the ban, average is

732
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:02,659
about 83 per year incidents or

733
00:25:02,659 --> 00:25:04,659
injuries.

734
00:25:04,728 --> 00:25:07,264
And the years after the ban,

735
00:25:07,264 --> 00:25:09,264
average of 23.

736
00:25:10,667 --> 00:25:11,735
For a reduction of 72% in

737
00:25:11,735 --> 00:25:13,270
injuries.

738
00:25:13,270 --> 00:25:15,270
So quite substantial.

739
00:25:15,572 --> 00:25:18,108
And if you just wanted to look

740
00:25:18,108 --> 00:25:19,676
at more recent data, last four

741
00:25:19,676 --> 00:25:22,676
years, the average would have

742
00:25:22,713 --> 00:25:24,713
been 28 injuries for

743
00:25:26,216 --> 00:25:28,216
approximately a 66% reduction.

744
00:25:29,530 --> 00:25:30,687
Moving on to the next slide,

745
00:25:30,687 --> 00:25:31,221
another look at our fire related

746
00:25:31,221 --> 00:25:33,221
calls.

747
00:25:33,223 --> 00:25:36,223
Data that the honolulu fire

748
00:25:37,161 --> 00:25:39,129
department collects.

749
00:25:39,129 --> 00:25:41,970
include wildland rubbish and

750
00:25:41,970 --> 00:25:43,970
structure fires.

751
00:25:45,469 --> 00:25:48,105
You can see the before and after

752
00:25:48,105 --> 00:25:49,506
the four years preceding, the

753
00:25:49,506 --> 00:25:51,506
average is 35 incidents.

754
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:56,210
And the years after, average of

755
00:25:56,980 --> 00:25:59,950
eight incidents, all the way to

756
00:25:59,950 --> 00:26:01,950
2023 for a 78% reduction.

757
00:26:02,386 --> 00:26:06,560
If we look at the last four

758
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,259
years, the average comes out to

759
00:26:09,259 --> 00:26:11,259
9.75, for a 72% reduction.

760
00:26:15,499 --> 00:26:18,135
From our standpoint, bill 34 was

761
00:26:18,135 --> 00:26:20,136
successful in reducing or

762
00:26:20,136 --> 00:26:22,536
creating a safer, healthier

763
00:26:24,264 --> 00:26:24,775
environment for our community.

764
00:26:24,775 --> 00:26:26,877
Next, I wanted to touch on

765
00:26:26,877 --> 00:26:30,477
what's been kind of hot topic

766
00:26:30,581 --> 00:26:31,949
within our state with the maui

767
00:26:31,949 --> 00:26:33,650
wild land fires, our community

768
00:26:33,650 --> 00:26:35,850
has been very sensitive to

769
00:26:35,850 --> 00:26:36,954
fires.

770
00:26:36,954 --> 00:26:38,488
Especially wild land fires.

771
00:26:38,488 --> 00:26:41,488
On many of our neighborhood

772
00:26:42,250 --> 00:26:42,893
board meetings that we've

773
00:26:42,893 --> 00:26:44,661
attended, almost every

774
00:26:44,661 --> 00:26:46,960
neighborhood board have concerns

775
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,960
about wild land.

776
00:26:48,131 --> 00:26:49,933
Recently in this year, we had a

777
00:26:49,933 --> 00:26:51,235
lot of heavy rains in MAY.

778
00:26:51,235 --> 00:26:53,635
From the national weather

779
00:26:53,637 --> 00:26:55,372
service, we have a big green up.

780
00:26:55,372 --> 00:26:58,372
Moving into the summer, we're

781
00:26:59,977 --> 00:27:02,713
going to have a la nina effect.

782
00:27:02,713 --> 00:27:05,713
For this fire season, it's

783
00:27:08,685 --> 00:27:11,422
expected to be very high.

784
00:27:11,422 --> 00:27:15,622
Also, I wanted to bring to your

785
00:27:15,859 --> 00:27:16,960
attention heco's public safety

786
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,960
power shutouts.

787
00:27:19,596 --> 00:27:22,999
If the program starts on JULY 1,

788
00:27:22,999 --> 00:27:24,100
and heco will shut down power in

789
00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:26,100
certain areas.

790
00:27:26,503 --> 00:27:28,903
Identified as high-risk in

791
00:27:28,906 --> 00:27:29,207
forecast of high winds and dry

792
00:27:29,207 --> 00:27:30,774
conditions.

793
00:27:30,774 --> 00:27:32,409
The intent is to keep the

794
00:27:32,409 --> 00:27:33,611
community safe by reducing

795
00:27:33,611 --> 00:27:35,611
possible ignitions.

796
00:27:35,913 --> 00:27:38,549
And again, I say that because if

797
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:40,284
you go back to the data, in our

798
00:27:40,284 --> 00:27:42,684
opinion, bill 34 is successful

799
00:27:47,624 --> 00:27:51,224
in rediesessing ig -- ig ignitions.

800
00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:56,330
To manipulatize any type of

801
00:27:56,634 --> 00:27:59,634
ignitions that could start any

802
00:28:00,571 --> 00:28:02,971
wildfires in critical areas.

803
00:28:04,275 --> 00:28:05,810
Dle formed an illegal fireworks

804
00:28:05,810 --> 00:28:07,345
task force in JUNE 2023.

805
00:28:07,345 --> 00:28:09,247
Led by the state and comprised

806
00:28:09,247 --> 00:28:09,780
of city, state and federal

807
00:28:09,780 --> 00:28:11,780
partners.

808
00:28:14,952 --> 00:28:17,952
To date, they seized over

809
00:28:18,322 --> 00:28:20,910
200 pounds of illegal fireworks.

810
00:28:20,910 --> 00:28:21,892
Our position is we strongly

811
00:28:21,892 --> 00:28:22,292
oppose it for those following

812
00:28:22,292 --> 00:28:24,292
reasons.

813
00:28:24,694 --> 00:28:26,330
And we hope that you would vote

814
00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:27,598
no for bill 22.

815
00:28:27,598 --> 00:28:28,967
Any questions?

816
00:28:28,967 --> 00:28:29,567
>>Chair Okimoto: thank y,

817
00:28:29,567 --> 00:28:31,169
chief hao.

818
00:28:31,169 --> 00:28:32,803
Before I turn it over to

819
00:28:32,803 --> 00:28:35,773
questions, I did have some.

820
00:28:35,773 --> 00:28:37,741
I failed to allow some time for

821
00:28:37,741 --> 00:28:40,100
the introducer of the measure.

822
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:41,812
Councilmember say, did you want

823
00:28:41,812 --> 00:28:43,812
to say anything?

824
00:28:44,648 --> 00:28:45,282
I apologize.

825
00:28:45,282 --> 00:28:47,385
>>Councilmember Say: at this

826
00:28:47,385 --> 00:28:49,220
time, I did state, for the

827
00:28:49,220 --> 00:28:51,621
record, when we had our first

828
00:28:51,621 --> 00:28:53,590
meeting and second reading, this

829
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:55,592
is going to be the second

830
00:28:55,592 --> 00:28:56,994
reading, firstly, consumer

831
00:28:56,994 --> 00:28:58,862
fireworks are fireworks that

832
00:28:58,862 --> 00:29:01,262
deals with sparklers and

833
00:29:01,598 --> 00:29:03,598
fountains and spinners.

834
00:29:03,767 --> 00:29:05,636
To allude that we're going to

835
00:29:05,636 --> 00:29:08,500
create that wildfire is like

836
00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:11,605
throwing out a cigarette butt on

837
00:29:11,775 --> 00:29:13,377
the freeway and letting it go.

838
00:29:13,377 --> 00:29:17,577
At this point in time, I thought

839
00:29:17,949 --> 00:29:20,551
it would be a great idea to have

840
00:29:20,551 --> 00:29:22,551
this idea resurface.

841
00:29:23,954 --> 00:29:26,230
Another redirection of money

842
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:29,623
spent by consumers on what is

843
00:29:29,660 --> 00:29:31,328
legit and what is illegal.

844
00:29:31,328 --> 00:29:33,398
The stats that the chief shows

845
00:29:33,398 --> 00:29:34,932
is correct from the department

846
00:29:34,932 --> 00:29:36,932
of health.

847
00:29:37,468 --> 00:29:40,738
And what I'm saying is that we

848
00:29:40,738 --> 00:29:42,738
don't have it.

849
00:29:43,674 --> 00:29:46,844
so we cannot include these two

850
00:29:46,844 --> 00:29:49,947
type of items or three items as

851
00:29:49,947 --> 00:29:51,915
contributing to this particular

852
00:29:51,915 --> 00:29:54,315
incidents of mortality or

853
00:29:54,652 --> 00:29:56,621
whatever it MAY be.

854
00:29:56,621 --> 00:29:57,922
And I just introduced it to see

855
00:29:57,922 --> 00:30:00,792
if we could have the discussion

856
00:30:00,792 --> 00:30:02,193
to help retailers and making it

857
00:30:02,193 --> 00:30:04,928
legit that they have to go

858
00:30:04,928 --> 00:30:06,897
through the retailer.

859
00:30:06,897 --> 00:30:08,766
As it worked in regards to what

860
00:30:08,766 --> 00:30:12,366
we discussed earlier as one of

861
00:30:12,603 --> 00:30:15,603
the hearings, even getting that

862
00:30:15,973 --> 00:30:18,109
permit for $25 and going to cvs

863
00:30:18,109 --> 00:30:20,378
to buy your 500 pack fireworks

864
00:30:20,378 --> 00:30:22,747
and other things, we never

865
00:30:22,747 --> 00:30:23,480
stopped the illegals, aerials,

866
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,316
the bombs.

867
00:30:25,316 --> 00:30:26,750
That's why I thought this would

868
00:30:26,750 --> 00:30:29,750
be another smaller way of

869
00:30:30,588 --> 00:30:32,623
saying, hey, hey I don't believe it's

870
00:30:32,623 --> 00:30:34,659
going to impact us that greatly.

871
00:30:34,659 --> 00:30:35,726
At this point, that's the reason

872
00:30:35,726 --> 00:30:37,726
it was introduced.

873
00:30:38,796 --> 00:30:41,796
I truly believe that let's

874
00:30:43,367 --> 00:30:46,337
continue on with our cultural

875
00:30:46,337 --> 00:30:48,305
reurresources that we're a part of,

876
00:30:48,305 --> 00:30:51,305
having my grandchild having to

877
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:54,212
play the sparklers but not roman

878
00:30:54,212 --> 00:30:56,612
candle, not bottle rockets.

879
00:30:58,115 --> 00:31:00,351
Not aerials, et cetera.

880
00:31:00,351 --> 00:31:00,985
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you so

881
00:31:00,985 --> 00:31:02,985
much.

882
00:31:05,923 --> 00:31:07,659
Chief hao, and members, if you

883
00:31:07,659 --> 00:31:08,226
could allow me at this time to

884
00:31:08,226 --> 00:31:10,226
ask questions.

885
00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:12,363
And I'll turn it over to the

886
00:31:12,363 --> 00:31:14,763
rest of the body.

887
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:17,735
I want to go back to your graph

888
00:31:17,735 --> 00:31:19,735
here.

889
00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:24,309
I think it's on page two.

890
00:31:24,309 --> 00:31:26,277
I appreciate -- I'm a visual

891
00:31:26,277 --> 00:31:28,277
learner.

892
00:31:28,646 --> 00:31:30,848
I appreciate the statistics.

893
00:31:30,848 --> 00:31:33,618
When the ban was passed into

894
00:31:33,618 --> 00:31:35,920
law, I believe in 2010, you see

895
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,320
that big drop initially.

896
00:31:39,757 --> 00:31:42,393
Since then, you see an increase,

897
00:31:42,393 --> 00:31:44,793
and in 2017 went up.

898
00:31:46,864 --> 00:31:48,533
We don't have -- now it's 2024.

899
00:31:48,533 --> 00:31:51,269
those of us who experience the

900
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:53,470
every day or every year

901
00:31:53,470 --> 00:31:54,939
celebrations it has seem like

902
00:31:54,939 --> 00:31:56,808
it's increased.

903
00:31:56,808 --> 00:31:58,142
I wanted to know if you have

904
00:31:58,142 --> 00:32:00,142
seen this increase.

905
00:32:01,545 --> 00:32:03,647
This graph ends in 2019.

906
00:32:03,647 --> 00:32:05,116
Do you have statistics past

907
00:32:05,116 --> 00:32:07,116
that?

908
00:32:08,986 --> 00:32:12,156
From here as if it were

909
00:32:12,156 --> 00:32:14,156
increasing injuries statewide.

910
00:32:14,225 --> 00:32:16,625
Majority happening on oahu.

911
00:32:17,228 --> 00:32:20,398
>> I think ian santi from ems

912
00:32:20,398 --> 00:32:22,133
might have some recent data that

913
00:32:22,133 --> 00:32:22,385
they collected for the medical

914
00:32:22,385 --> 00:32:24,201
side.

915
00:32:24,201 --> 00:32:25,837
>>Chair Okimoto: this is from

916
00:32:25,837 --> 00:32:26,737
your department or this is from

917
00:32:26,737 --> 00:32:28,737
ems?

918
00:32:30,274 --> 00:32:33,411
>> the first slide that is up is

919
00:32:33,411 --> 00:32:35,714
from the department of health.

920
00:32:35,714 --> 00:32:38,114
The injury prevention section.

921
00:32:38,283 --> 00:32:38,639
We didn't have any data after

922
00:32:38,639 --> 00:32:39,750
2019.

923
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:41,750
>>Chair Okimoto: after 2019.

924
00:32:42,787 --> 00:32:44,756
>> we stopped collecting data

925
00:32:44,756 --> 00:32:47,425
after 2021, if I'm not mistaken.

926
00:32:47,425 --> 00:32:49,425
>>Chair Okimoto: director

927
00:32:49,427 --> 00:32:52,430
santi, did you want to expound?

928
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:55,660
I have further questions for hfd

929
00:32:55,660 --> 00:32:56,601
but I was for the presentation

930
00:32:56,601 --> 00:32:59,100
that was started today.

931
00:32:59,337 --> 00:33:00,571
>> no problem.

932
00:33:00,571 --> 00:33:01,439
Ian san continue, emergency

933
00:33:01,439 --> 00:33:03,439
services department.

934
00:33:03,642 --> 00:33:07,211
I have very specific data that I

935
00:33:07,211 --> 00:33:09,748
wanted to share in regards to

936
00:33:09,748 --> 00:33:11,816
fireworks related injuries for

937
00:33:11,816 --> 00:33:14,119
this calendar year as well as

938
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:14,361
actually more recently last

939
00:33:14,361 --> 00:33:15,853
weekend.

940
00:33:15,853 --> 00:33:17,856
I'm not sure if anybody here is

941
00:33:17,856 --> 00:33:20,856
aware that last weekend, there

942
00:33:22,860 --> 00:33:24,195
was a firework explosion in

943
00:33:24,195 --> 00:33:26,195
central oahu.

944
00:33:26,598 --> 00:33:28,332
Involved total of four people

945
00:33:28,332 --> 00:33:30,732
transported to the hospital.

946
00:33:30,768 --> 00:33:31,202
Two minors and two were elderly

947
00:33:31,202 --> 00:33:33,202
people.

948
00:33:33,738 --> 00:33:36,375
Both were in stable condition.

949
00:33:36,375 --> 00:33:37,508
however, as chief pointed out

950
00:33:37,508 --> 00:33:40,508
fireworks, any type of firework

951
00:33:41,212 --> 00:33:43,614
or any type of injury, be it

952
00:33:43,614 --> 00:33:45,350
illegal or legal at that matter

953
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:47,218
does cause injury.

954
00:33:47,218 --> 00:33:50,818
For last calendar year from the

955
00:33:51,489 --> 00:33:53,324
period of DECEMBER 31 through

956
00:33:53,324 --> 00:33:56,324
6:00 in the morning on new

957
00:33:56,661 --> 00:33:59,661
year's day ems responded to

958
00:34:00,265 --> 00:34:02,265
almost 300 911 calls.

959
00:34:02,266 --> 00:34:05,266
And seven were directly related

960
00:34:05,337 --> 00:34:07,337
to fireworks.

961
00:34:08,874 --> 00:34:12,376
Three of them were minors and

962
00:34:12,376 --> 00:34:15,976
three were over the age of 60.

963
00:34:16,281 --> 00:34:18,850
And one was under the age of 20.

964
00:34:18,850 --> 00:34:20,520
And responded to eight assaults

965
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,452
and nine difficulty breathing.

966
00:34:25,189 --> 00:34:26,157
From a medical standpoint, more

967
00:34:26,157 --> 00:34:27,192
fireworks, it does cause more

968
00:34:27,192 --> 00:34:28,260
medical problems.

969
00:34:28,260 --> 00:34:30,426
>>Chair Okimoto: since the

970
00:34:31,796 --> 00:34:33,531
ban, injuries have increased?

971
00:34:33,531 --> 00:34:35,166
You mentioned it doesn't matter

972
00:34:35,166 --> 00:34:37,669
the type of if irfirsts.

973
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:40,669
What types of fireworks are

974
00:34:41,105 --> 00:34:44,105
being used when these injuries

975
00:34:46,144 --> 00:34:48,346
and disemghtsdz accidents are happening?

976
00:34:48,346 --> 00:34:50,746
>> a lot are self-made.

977
00:34:50,882 --> 00:34:53,184
Or people find fireworks that

978
00:34:53,184 --> 00:34:55,487
are illegal like a rocket and

979
00:34:55,487 --> 00:34:57,487
doesn't go off.

980
00:34:57,689 --> 00:34:59,991
They bend off and try to salt

981
00:34:59,991 --> 00:35:00,253
lake it and it goes off in their

982
00:35:00,253 --> 00:35:01,393
face.

983
00:35:01,393 --> 00:35:03,595
>>Chair Okimoto: the graph

984
00:35:03,595 --> 00:35:05,897
also shows the neighbor island

985
00:35:05,897 --> 00:35:08,633
counties, which don't have bans

986
00:35:08,633 --> 00:35:11,169
their numbers are fairly low.

987
00:35:11,169 --> 00:35:13,169
Zero some years.

988
00:35:14,439 --> 00:35:15,374
I understand they're different

989
00:35:15,374 --> 00:35:15,874
counties.

990
00:35:15,874 --> 00:35:17,874
They're smaller.

991
00:35:17,943 --> 00:35:20,450
It sounds likes even with the

992
00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:21,213
ban, the injuries have not gone

993
00:35:21,213 --> 00:35:22,447
down.

994
00:35:22,447 --> 00:35:23,949
That's what I'm hearing from

995
00:35:23,949 --> 00:35:25,817
your account.

996
00:35:25,817 --> 00:35:27,452
Injuries are still elevating

997
00:35:27,452 --> 00:35:29,588
still happenin as of last week.

998
00:35:29,588 --> 00:35:32,491
>> he don't have the last trend.

999
00:35:32,491 --> 00:35:32,739
this is from the department of

1000
00:35:32,739 --> 00:35:34,659
health.

1001
00:35:34,659 --> 00:35:35,227
We can try and look at what our

1002
00:35:35,227 --> 00:35:37,227
trend is.

1003
00:35:38,597 --> 00:35:42,797
I do know a lot of fatalities

1004
00:35:43,201 --> 00:35:44,970
that hammed -- happened on new

1005
00:35:44,970 --> 00:35:46,705
year's day and eve resulting

1006
00:35:46,705 --> 00:35:48,239
from fireworks.

1007
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,800
I don't think it makes a

1008
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:51,176
difference whether it's gone up

1009
00:35:51,176 --> 00:35:53,176
or down.

1010
00:35:59,184 --> 00:36:01,920
It's the exposure and medical.

1011
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,654
Because of fires and smoke

1012
00:36:03,654 --> 00:36:04,856
causes a lot of difficulty

1013
00:36:04,856 --> 00:36:06,524
breathing problems.

1014
00:36:06,524 --> 00:36:08,493
Communities do special things to

1015
00:36:08,493 --> 00:36:10,493
keep people indoors.

1016
00:36:11,463 --> 00:36:11,763
Smoke really makes a big

1017
00:36:11,763 --> 00:36:13,763
difference.

1018
00:36:13,865 --> 00:36:14,633
>>Chair Okimoto: completely

1019
00:36:14,633 --> 00:36:16,633
understand.

1020
00:36:17,703 --> 00:36:20,639
When we bring statistics that

1021
00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:24,239
show things are better, but I'm

1022
00:36:24,242 --> 00:36:24,709
hearing maybe naz that's not the

1023
00:36:24,709 --> 00:36:26,709
case.

1024
00:36:27,312 --> 00:36:28,513
I want to make sure numbers are

1025
00:36:28,513 --> 00:36:29,848
accurate and that representing

1026
00:36:29,848 --> 00:36:31,848
the things.

1027
00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:34,552
A lot of testimony were towards

1028
00:36:34,552 --> 00:36:37,552
everything is so much better

1029
00:36:37,623 --> 00:36:39,910
after the ban but I'm hearing

1030
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:40,191
that might not be the case.

1031
00:36:40,191 --> 00:36:42,591
Thank you so much.

1032
00:36:42,894 --> 00:36:45,630
Chief hao, if I could, I have a

1033
00:36:45,630 --> 00:36:47,630
couple of questions.

1034
00:36:49,701 --> 00:36:50,935
And a know that these statistics -- injuries are based

1035
00:36:50,935 --> 00:36:52,935
on health record.

1036
00:36:53,305 --> 00:36:55,206
For the fires you're addressing,

1037
00:36:55,206 --> 00:36:57,642
what types of fireworks are

1038
00:36:57,642 --> 00:36:59,642
causing the fires?

1039
00:37:00,345 --> 00:37:00,879
>> it's not really not

1040
00:37:00,879 --> 00:37:02,879
identifiable.

1041
00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:05,317
We looked at all of our

1042
00:37:05,317 --> 00:37:07,317
incidents.

1043
00:37:07,652 --> 00:37:10,652
And we have our incident

1044
00:37:11,550 --> 00:37:12,570
commander say it's fireworks

1045
00:37:12,570 --> 00:37:14,570
related.

1046
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:15,927
Some are apparent it was

1047
00:37:15,927 --> 00:37:18,327
possibly aerials that caused

1048
00:37:19,231 --> 00:37:22,831
either the fire and/or injury,

1049
00:37:23,353 --> 00:37:23,722
but it doesn't have that much

1050
00:37:23,722 --> 00:37:25,570
details.

1051
00:37:25,570 --> 00:37:25,931
All it captured the is it's from

1052
00:37:25,931 --> 00:37:27,439
fireworks.

1053
00:37:27,439 --> 00:37:28,774
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you.

1054
00:37:28,774 --> 00:37:31,774
And department stated that after

1055
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,120
the initial ban in 2010, a

1056
00:37:37,820 --> 00:37:39,284
recrease, I think last record is

1057
00:37:39,284 --> 00:37:39,548
86%.

1058
00:37:39,548 --> 00:37:41,548
Today --

1059
00:37:41,586 --> 00:37:43,986
>> I think it was 86.

1060
00:37:44,389 --> 00:37:45,290
They only look at that one

1061
00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:47,290
instance in time.

1062
00:37:47,726 --> 00:37:52,297
We want to the look at it from a

1063
00:37:52,297 --> 00:37:53,732
longer duration to show pre and

1064
00:37:53,732 --> 00:37:55,634
post ban.

1065
00:37:55,634 --> 00:37:56,902
You look at the data and you say

1066
00:37:56,902 --> 00:37:58,537
there's an increase.

1067
00:37:58,537 --> 00:38:01,606
When I look at the entirety, it

1068
00:38:01,606 --> 00:38:04,600
goes up and down.

1069
00:38:05,810 --> 00:38:07,120
It's pretty much constant, in my

1070
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,120
opinion.

1071
00:38:10,249 --> 00:38:12,884
It's very obvious from pre and

1072
00:38:12,884 --> 00:38:13,852
post, the firework related

1073
00:38:13,852 --> 00:38:16,252
incidents we respond to.

1074
00:38:16,789 --> 00:38:18,890
We feel that reintroducing

1075
00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:21,890
consumer fireworks is going to

1076
00:38:22,394 --> 00:38:22,650
make things go back up to the

1077
00:38:22,650 --> 00:38:24,650
pre-ban.

1078
00:38:24,896 --> 00:38:27,896
>>Chair Okimoto: so I'm sure,

1079
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:30,500
86%, that was for medical

1080
00:38:31,570 --> 00:38:32,471
emergencies, not for wildfires

1081
00:38:32,471 --> 00:38:34,471
or fires?

1082
00:38:34,873 --> 00:38:38,473
>> I can get back to you.

1083
00:38:39,244 --> 00:38:42,244
I'm not exactly sure exactly

1084
00:38:43,820 --> 00:38:45,840
what he was looking at.

1085
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,684
It was more at the transitio

1086
00:38:48,887 --> 00:38:49,154
>>Chair Okimoto: this is just

1087
00:38:49,154 --> 00:38:51,154
combining.

1088
00:38:51,457 --> 00:38:53,759
Does hfd have data or other

1089
00:38:53,759 --> 00:38:55,728
information to prove the

1090
00:38:55,728 --> 00:38:56,929
causation that you spoke about

1091
00:38:56,929 --> 00:38:57,696
during the first reading of this

1092
00:38:57,696 --> 00:38:59,696
bill?

1093
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:01,433
During the first reading you

1094
00:39:01,433 --> 00:39:03,433
spoke on 86%.

1095
00:39:03,502 --> 00:39:06,338
You have any other data?

1096
00:39:06,338 --> 00:39:09,938
>> might be off the same data.

1097
00:39:09,975 --> 00:39:12,377
I wanted to look at not the

1098
00:39:12,377 --> 00:39:13,145
transition point but its

1099
00:39:13,145 --> 00:39:15,145
entirety.

1100
00:39:17,316 --> 00:39:18,484
We can get back to you on how we

1101
00:39:18,484 --> 00:39:20,484
got that 86%.

1102
00:39:21,353 --> 00:39:23,221
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you.

1103
00:39:23,221 --> 00:39:25,157
Will the department be opposed

1104
00:39:25,157 --> 00:39:28,157
to this measure if committee

1105
00:39:28,961 --> 00:39:32,864
were to amend it in some form?

1106
00:39:32,864 --> 00:39:34,533
>> I would have to discuss what

1107
00:39:34,533 --> 00:39:34,789
the possible amendments would

1108
00:39:34,789 --> 00:39:36,789
be.

1109
00:39:36,935 --> 00:39:39,935
>>Chair Okimoto: I'm trying to

1110
00:39:41,106 --> 00:39:41,874
see how we could find some

1111
00:39:41,874 --> 00:39:43,509
compromise.

1112
00:39:43,509 --> 00:39:44,277
And maybe we can meet offline

1113
00:39:44,277 --> 00:39:45,577
later.

1114
00:39:45,577 --> 00:39:46,479
I would like to know if the

1115
00:39:46,479 --> 00:39:47,880
department would have some form

1116
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,516
of this measure that the

1117
00:39:50,516 --> 00:39:51,751
department would be able to

1118
00:39:51,751 --> 00:39:52,600
su

1119
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:53,185
ort.

1120
00:39:53,185 --> 00:39:54,887
>> we'll be open to discuss.

1121
00:39:54,887 --> 00:39:55,955
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you.

1122
00:39:55,955 --> 00:39:58,355
Thank you, chief hao.

1123
00:40:00,250 --> 00:40:00,759
I did have is question for c chief

1124
00:40:00,759 --> 00:40:02,759
logan.

1125
00:40:06,565 --> 00:40:10,165
I see him there for hpd.

1126
00:40:13,372 --> 00:40:14,373
Aloha, chief logan.

1127
00:40:14,373 --> 00:40:16,241
>> aloha.

1128
00:40:16,241 --> 00:40:17,109
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you,

1129
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:18,944
chief logan.

1130
00:40:18,944 --> 00:40:20,712
One question.

1131
00:40:20,712 --> 00:40:23,783
Do you have any statistics or

1132
00:40:23,783 --> 00:40:27,383
numbers on how many arrests for

1133
00:40:27,912 --> 00:40:28,291
firework violations in the paths

1134
00:40:28,291 --> 00:40:28,557
year?

1135
00:40:28,557 --> 00:40:30,557
>> yes.

1136
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,560
For 2020, we had four arrests,

1137
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,300
and we gave out 66 citations.

1138
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:39,899
2021, we gave out 53 citations

1139
00:40:39,899 --> 00:40:42,299
and four individuals were

1140
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:44,300
arrested.

1141
00:40:46,138 --> 00:40:48,340
In 2022, 17 citations and three

1142
00:40:48,340 --> 00:40:50,340
adults were arrested.

1143
00:40:51,177 --> 00:40:54,120
And in 2023, we gave out ten

1144
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:54,780
citations and five adults were

1145
00:40:54,780 --> 00:40:56,780
arrested.

1146
00:40:56,982 --> 00:40:59,919
What I'd also like to cover, in

1147
00:40:59,919 --> 00:41:01,919
2020, we had about 2800

1148
00:41:02,688 --> 00:41:04,957
responses for officers for calls

1149
00:41:04,957 --> 00:41:06,957
regarding fireworks.

1150
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,829
In 2021, there were over 3100

1151
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:12,829
calls on law enforcement for

1152
00:41:13,232 --> 00:41:13,833
fireworks, in 2022, it went down

1153
00:41:13,833 --> 00:41:15,833
to 2400.

1154
00:41:18,370 --> 00:41:19,472
And then in 2023, it was 2200.

1155
00:41:19,472 --> 00:41:22,472
There is trend going down.

1156
00:41:23,642 --> 00:41:24,944
You asked earlier the fire

1157
00:41:24,944 --> 00:41:25,945
department calls for service

1158
00:41:25,945 --> 00:41:27,945
have decreased.

1159
00:41:30,830 --> 00:41:31,830
Where I live, I've noticed a

1160
00:41:31,830 --> 00:41:34,830
substance decrease in the amount

1161
00:41:34,587 --> 00:41:37,587
of fireworks expend the in

1162
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:39,570
nonfourth of JULY new year's eve

1163
00:41:39,570 --> 00:41:40,159
time period.

1164
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:43,159
Significant drop in the number

1165
00:41:43,362 --> 00:41:44,564
of calls related to fireworks.

1166
00:41:44,564 --> 00:41:45,331
>>Chair Okimoto: could you

1167
00:41:45,331 --> 00:41:47,299
repeat that?

1168
00:41:47,299 --> 00:41:49,699
What year was it?

1169
00:41:51,470 --> 00:41:53,470
>> in 2020, little over 2800

1170
00:41:54,106 --> 00:41:57,106
calls that we responded to.

1171
00:41:58,811 --> 00:42:01,211
In 2021, a little over 3500.

1172
00:42:01,748 --> 00:42:04,148
In 2022, a little over 2400.

1173
00:42:05,351 --> 00:42:05,785
And in 2023, there were a little

1174
00:42:05,785 --> 00:42:07,653
over 2200.

1175
00:42:07,653 --> 00:42:09,622
>>Chair Okimoto: can you

1176
00:42:09,622 --> 00:42:12,358
explain the -- there were

1177
00:42:12,358 --> 00:42:14,358
citations and arrested.

1178
00:42:14,660 --> 00:42:17,600
Most years, more citations.

1179
00:42:17,429 --> 00:42:19,429
That's gone down.

1180
00:42:19,699 --> 00:42:20,900
Arrests are about the same.

1181
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:22,435
Where's theif difference between a

1182
00:42:22,435 --> 00:42:24,435
citation and arift.

1183
00:42:24,637 --> 00:42:26,272
>> depends on the officer when

1184
00:42:26,272 --> 00:42:28,140
they're on the scene what is

1185
00:42:28,140 --> 00:42:30,343
going on and what is happening.

1186
00:42:30,343 --> 00:42:32,770
What are the observations?

1187
00:42:32,770 --> 00:42:34,800
Can he see an individual

1188
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,800
lighting fireworks?

1189
00:42:38,985 --> 00:42:39,552
He can make an aroast arrest based on

1190
00:42:39,552 --> 00:42:41,552
that.

1191
00:42:42,521 --> 00:42:43,789
Some are juveniles, some adults.

1192
00:42:43,789 --> 00:42:46,326
Maybe we have information after

1193
00:42:46,326 --> 00:42:48,728
the fact that an incident has

1194
00:42:48,728 --> 00:42:51,128
occurred and citations issued.

1195
00:42:52,231 --> 00:42:54,333
Not necessarily an on-scene

1196
00:42:54,333 --> 00:42:54,592
observation where an arrest was

1197
00:42:54,592 --> 00:42:56,690
made.

1198
00:42:56,690 --> 00:42:58,370
>>Chair Okimoto: these are

1199
00:42:58,370 --> 00:42:58,437
people caught using illegal

1200
00:42:58,437 --> 00:43:00,240
fireworks.

1201
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:01,441
>> correct.

1202
00:43:01,441 --> 00:43:02,875
Unpermited and they're firing

1203
00:43:02,875 --> 00:43:03,843
off fireworks.

1204
00:43:03,843 --> 00:43:05,412
Not supposed to have.

1205
00:43:05,412 --> 00:43:07,412
>>Chair Okimoto: okay.

1206
00:43:07,580 --> 00:43:08,147
Members, if you could be

1207
00:43:08,147 --> 00:43:10,147
patient.

1208
00:43:10,749 --> 00:43:13,149
A couple more questions.

1209
00:43:15,621 --> 00:43:17,757
Is prosecutor am alm here?

1210
00:43:17,757 --> 00:43:19,291
If not, admin.

1211
00:43:19,291 --> 00:43:21,291
Thanks, chief.

1212
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:23,963
You MAY get called back again.

1213
00:43:23,963 --> 00:43:24,230
I'll open it to members of the

1214
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:26,230
committee.

1215
00:43:26,799 --> 00:43:28,334
>> hello, chair, vice chair,

1216
00:43:28,334 --> 00:43:30,202
councilmembers.

1217
00:43:30,202 --> 00:43:31,303
Andy, mayor's chief of staff.

1218
00:43:31,303 --> 00:43:32,805
>>Chair Okimoto: aloha.

1219
00:43:32,805 --> 00:43:33,273
Thank you for being here with

1220
00:43:33,273 --> 00:43:35,241
us.

1221
00:43:35,241 --> 00:43:36,442
I had a question.

1222
00:43:36,442 --> 00:43:38,310
Would the administration being

1223
00:43:38,310 --> 00:43:40,413
opposed to form of this bill

1224
00:43:40,413 --> 00:43:41,470
that would b modified in any

1225
00:43:41,470 --> 00:43:43,150
form?

1226
00:43:43,150 --> 00:43:45,985
>> I think we're going to take

1227
00:43:45,985 --> 00:43:46,853
our lead from our first

1228
00:43:46,853 --> 00:43:48,488
responders.

1229
00:43:48,488 --> 00:43:51,123
I know chief hao mentioned they

1230
00:43:51,123 --> 00:43:53,326
would be open to discussions.

1231
00:43:53,326 --> 00:43:56,326
So based on their conversations

1232
00:43:56,830 --> 00:43:58,564
with you and subsequent

1233
00:43:58,564 --> 00:43:59,966
conversations we would have with

1234
00:43:59,966 --> 00:44:02,268
the fire department and first

1235
00:44:02,268 --> 00:44:03,269
firsts and councilmembers we

1236
00:44:03,269 --> 00:44:04,470
would take our lead from that.

1237
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:05,137
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you for

1238
00:44:05,137 --> 00:44:07,137
being open.

1239
00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:07,606
I do plan to meet with the

1240
00:44:07,606 --> 00:44:09,606
department.

1241
00:44:09,876 --> 00:44:13,479
What I was thinking and maybe I

1242
00:44:13,479 --> 00:44:15,915
should ask, maybe -- we've done

1243
00:44:15,915 --> 00:44:17,450
with this other measures.

1244
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:19,450
A pilot program.

1245
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:20,954
One to two years.

1246
00:44:20,954 --> 00:44:22,388
You'll wait for us to have a

1247
00:44:22,388 --> 00:44:24,324
discussion?

1248
00:44:24,324 --> 00:44:26,392
>> I will defer to that.

1249
00:44:26,392 --> 00:44:29,261
as I said, the mayor's office

1250
00:44:29,261 --> 00:44:31,531
and the administration stands

1251
00:44:31,531 --> 00:44:33,533
firmly with our first responders

1252
00:44:33,533 --> 00:44:33,934
in opposition to the bill as it

1253
00:44:33,934 --> 00:44:35,934
stands now.

1254
00:44:36,269 --> 00:44:37,437
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you so

1255
00:44:37,437 --> 00:44:38,571
much.

1256
00:44:38,571 --> 00:44:40,607
Members, thank you so much for

1257
00:44:40,607 --> 00:44:42,209
letting me ask those questions.

1258
00:44:42,209 --> 00:44:44,430
I will turn it over to the rest

1259
00:44:44,430 --> 00:44:45,812
of you.

1260
00:44:45,812 --> 00:44:48,812
Questions for any of those

1261
00:44:51,484 --> 00:44:52,251
departments reat are here?

1262
00:44:52,251 --> 00:44:54,251
Councilmember say?

1263
00:44:54,988 --> 00:44:56,122
And in dos santos-tam.

1264
00:44:56,122 --> 00:44:58,522
>>Councilmember Say: let me

1265
00:45:03,290 --> 00:45:05,290
ask chief hao.

1266
00:45:05,532 --> 00:45:07,733
Do you feel that sparklers,

1267
00:45:07,733 --> 00:45:09,935
fountains, spinners would be

1268
00:45:09,935 --> 00:45:12,400
considered prohibit the now but

1269
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,942
it's one of the safer type of

1270
00:45:15,942 --> 00:45:16,276
fireworks to to play with or to

1271
00:45:16,276 --> 00:45:18,244
burn.

1272
00:45:18,244 --> 00:45:18,493
Compared to what we have

1273
00:45:18,493 --> 00:45:20,493
es

1274
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,820
presently in the laws.

1275
00:45:22,820 --> 00:45:24,820
The firecrackers.

1276
00:45:26,553 --> 00:45:28,953
>> again, way I'm interpreting,

1277
00:45:30,824 --> 00:45:33,224
consumer fireworks in general

1278
00:45:33,326 --> 00:45:35,762
defind no higher than 12 feet

1279
00:45:35,762 --> 00:45:37,762
above and around.

1280
00:45:38,264 --> 00:45:40,466
Reintroducing that back into the

1281
00:45:40,466 --> 00:45:42,636
mix, younger children are going

1282
00:45:42,636 --> 00:45:44,171
to be playing with these things.

1283
00:45:44,171 --> 00:45:45,371
Some of the things say you're

1284
00:45:45,371 --> 00:45:47,139
supposed to place it on the

1285
00:45:47,139 --> 00:45:49,308
ground, but that never happens.

1286
00:45:49,308 --> 00:45:51,377
We feel the data is showing, and

1287
00:45:51,377 --> 00:45:53,777
we believe that reintroducing

1288
00:45:54,347 --> 00:45:56,549
consumer fireworks such as

1289
00:45:56,549 --> 00:45:57,551
sparklers would, we will see an

1290
00:45:57,551 --> 00:45:59,151
increase in the numbers.

1291
00:45:59,151 --> 00:46:01,587
The reason why we stand

1292
00:46:01,587 --> 00:46:02,455
officially is if we look back at

1293
00:46:02,455 --> 00:46:04,855
climate change and everything

1294
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:08,910
that happened in lahaina and

1295
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,620
wildfires are created by 99% by

1296
00:46:09,620 --> 00:46:11,620
humans.

1297
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:14,634
So this is just another means to

1298
00:46:14,634 --> 00:46:16,603
create ignitions.

1299
00:46:16,603 --> 00:46:19,439
our standpoint has to again, the

1300
00:46:19,439 --> 00:46:20,741
way it's written, we strongly

1301
00:46:20,741 --> 00:46:21,408
feel we're not going to move in

1302
00:46:21,408 --> 00:46:23,408
our position.

1303
00:46:24,678 --> 00:46:27,780
Because we feel again,

1304
00:46:27,547 --> 00:46:28,649
reintroing it, these numbers

1305
00:46:28,649 --> 00:46:31,490
will go back up.

1306
00:46:34,254 --> 00:46:37,190
MAY not be the full 60% or 70%

1307
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:37,757
but we feel very strongly it

1308
00:46:37,757 --> 00:46:38,391
will increase.

1309
00:46:38,391 --> 00:46:40,391
>>Councilmember Say: having

1310
00:46:41,828 --> 00:46:44,231
it, a, permitted, it makes it

1311
00:46:44,231 --> 00:46:46,231
more easier monitor.

1312
00:46:46,266 --> 00:46:49,266
It's going to be retailer

1313
00:46:51,471 --> 00:46:53,471
selling it.

1314
00:46:55,541 --> 00:46:57,541
Cvs, don quixotes.

1315
00:47:01,248 --> 00:47:03,750
Printrpresently it's the black mar market

1316
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:04,484
and we don't have any control.

1317
00:47:04,484 --> 00:47:05,953
Chief.

1318
00:47:05,953 --> 00:47:06,920
>> I think you're going to have

1319
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,688
more people using it.

1320
00:47:08,688 --> 00:47:10,256
If you look at the testimony

1321
00:47:10,256 --> 00:47:12,692
submitted by the department of

1322
00:47:12,692 --> 00:47:14,794
law enforcement, they feel it's

1323
00:47:14,794 --> 00:47:15,562
going to be more manpower to

1324
00:47:15,562 --> 00:47:17,562
help manage.

1325
00:47:17,964 --> 00:47:19,532
Even working with the retailers,

1326
00:47:19,532 --> 00:47:21,134
we're going to have an increase

1327
00:47:21,134 --> 00:47:23,134
on that end.

1328
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:24,304
It's going to take a lot more

1329
00:47:24,304 --> 00:47:26,304
resources to manage.

1330
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,375
>>Councilmember Say: okay.

1331
00:47:28,375 --> 00:47:30,343
Right now, do you feel it

1332
00:47:30,343 --> 00:47:33,943
successful thank you got to go

1333
00:47:34,948 --> 00:47:39,748
to hfd to go to $25 to get a

1334
00:47:41,220 --> 00:47:43,690
permit and go to cvs and buy a

1335
00:47:43,690 --> 00:47:45,690
500 pack firecracker?

1336
00:47:46,226 --> 00:47:48,626
I'd rather have commercial

1337
00:47:48,962 --> 00:47:51,932
products, which is much more

1338
00:47:51,932 --> 00:47:53,932
safer than illegals.

1339
00:47:56,636 --> 00:47:59,906
A relation of spending money or

1340
00:47:59,906 --> 00:48:03,760
the black mar kes rather than

1341
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:03,510
going to legitimate store.

1342
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:05,279
>>Councilmember Dos

1343
00:48:05,279 --> 00:48:06,145
santos-tam: more of an

1344
00:48:06,145 --> 00:48:08,145
enforcement question.

1345
00:48:08,649 --> 00:48:10,951
It's clear to everyone that we

1346
00:48:10,951 --> 00:48:13,319
struggle with enforcing this

1347
00:48:13,319 --> 00:48:15,689
existing law, aerials go off all

1348
00:48:15,689 --> 00:48:17,689
the time.

1349
00:48:19,926 --> 00:48:20,593
much to the chagrin of all our

1350
00:48:20,593 --> 00:48:22,593
constituents.

1351
00:48:23,563 --> 00:48:24,431
If we were to repermit

1352
00:48:24,431 --> 00:48:26,431
sparklers, eth easts.

1353
00:48:26,933 --> 00:48:27,634
People would still shoot off

1354
00:48:27,634 --> 00:48:29,569
aerials.

1355
00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:31,237
In your estimation, chief, if

1356
00:48:31,237 --> 00:48:34,741
you were to show up to a house

1357
00:48:34,741 --> 00:48:36,910
where 350e678 people were doing

1358
00:48:36,910 --> 00:48:38,245
sparklers and also doing

1359
00:48:38,245 --> 00:48:39,913
aerials.

1360
00:48:39,913 --> 00:48:43,500
I'm concerned people will say we

1361
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:43,817
have a bunch of sparklers and

1362
00:48:43,817 --> 00:48:45,817
fountains.

1363
00:48:45,986 --> 00:48:50,186
I make it harder it makes it

1364
00:48:51,825 --> 00:48:52,793
harder to do enforcement against

1365
00:48:52,793 --> 00:48:54,761
the bad guy.

1366
00:48:54,761 --> 00:48:55,762
>> councilmember, you make a

1367
00:48:55,762 --> 00:48:57,762
good point.

1368
00:48:57,998 --> 00:49:01,234
You can use the legal fireworks

1369
00:49:01,234 --> 00:49:02,100
as a facade behind the illegal

1370
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:04,100
operations.

1371
00:49:04,103 --> 00:49:05,639
To go back with councilmember

1372
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:08,575
say's earlier comment about the

1373
00:49:08,575 --> 00:49:11,575
black market, like the legalize

1374
00:49:14,381 --> 00:49:16,820
issue of marijuana, most of the

1375
00:49:16,820 --> 00:49:18,482
mainland agencies sawen increase

1376
00:49:18,885 --> 00:49:20,320
in the black market even though

1377
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:21,454
they tried to legalizing lies

1378
00:49:21,454 --> 00:49:23,454
marijuana.

1379
00:49:24,158 --> 00:49:27,194
I don't see any difference here.

1380
00:49:27,194 --> 00:49:28,940
You try to legalize other

1381
00:49:28,940 --> 00:49:29,830
aspect.

1382
00:49:29,830 --> 00:49:30,697
People are going to do what the

1383
00:49:30,697 --> 00:49:32,697
black market is.

1384
00:49:33,366 --> 00:49:37,566
They don't want to pay taxes and

1385
00:49:37,604 --> 00:49:39,604
a higher fee.

1386
00:49:40,907 --> 00:49:41,975
Want to gets it illegally and

1387
00:49:41,975 --> 00:49:43,975
pay less.

1388
00:49:44,178 --> 00:49:45,945
Maybe they're paying more,

1389
00:49:45,945 --> 00:49:47,447
depending on who's selling.

1390
00:49:47,447 --> 00:49:49,983
Black market is not necessarily

1391
00:49:49,983 --> 00:49:52,519
going to chang because we can't

1392
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:54,288
control what people want to do

1393
00:49:54,288 --> 00:49:57,288
illegally unless we have the

1394
00:49:57,358 --> 00:50:00,260
full force of the task force,

1395
00:50:00,260 --> 00:50:02,195
dle and our narcotics/vice

1396
00:50:02,195 --> 00:50:03,830
working together to stop it at

1397
00:50:03,830 --> 00:50:05,830
the source.

1398
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:08,535
Once it gets onland and

1399
00:50:08,535 --> 00:50:11,400
delivered to the streets, it's

1400
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:11,438
much harder to enforce.

1401
00:50:11,438 --> 00:50:13,438
>>Councilmember Dos

1402
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,542
santos-tam: building upon that,

1403
00:50:15,542 --> 00:50:16,443
I appreciate that department of

1404
00:50:16,443 --> 00:50:18,843
law enforcement is stopping

1405
00:50:19,580 --> 00:50:22,580
things at the port, inspecting

1406
00:50:22,883 --> 00:50:25,185
things eth et cetera.

1407
00:50:25,185 --> 00:50:27,387
For your boot on the ground,

1408
00:50:27,387 --> 00:50:29,789
officers who get called about

1409
00:50:29,789 --> 00:50:30,991
some bomb goes off, this he show

1410
00:50:30,991 --> 00:50:32,659
up.

1411
00:50:32,659 --> 00:50:36,259
What tools would be more helpful

1412
00:50:36,363 --> 00:50:37,731
to go after people that are

1413
00:50:37,731 --> 00:50:38,799
abusing the illegal fireworks

1414
00:50:38,799 --> 00:50:40,799
right now?

1415
00:50:41,368 --> 00:50:41,623
They show up in somebody's

1416
00:50:41,623 --> 00:50:43,537
garage.

1417
00:50:43,537 --> 00:50:45,172
And nothing so see here.

1418
00:50:45,172 --> 00:50:46,907
>> by the time the fireworks

1419
00:50:46,907 --> 00:50:49,743
have gone off, evidence on the

1420
00:50:49,743 --> 00:50:52,450
the ground maybe moved away.

1421
00:50:52,450 --> 00:50:52,913
Officers shows up, and there's

1422
00:50:52,913 --> 00:50:54,913
nothing to see.

1423
00:50:55,983 --> 00:50:58,719
If a neighbor took a video and

1424
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,210
released that to us and gave us

1425
00:51:01,210 --> 00:51:04,224
that, we can issue a citation

1426
00:51:04,224 --> 00:51:04,658
and/or make an arrest.

1427
00:51:04,658 --> 00:51:06,658
Depending.

1428
00:51:07,728 --> 00:51:10,130
Sometimes we knock on people's

1429
00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:12,530
door and talk story.

1430
00:51:12,666 --> 00:51:14,567
If they have illegal fireworks,

1431
00:51:14,567 --> 00:51:15,969
sometimes they will turn stuff

1432
00:51:15,969 --> 00:51:17,700
over and get rid of it.

1433
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:18,738
There's different tools we can

1434
00:51:18,738 --> 00:51:20,738
use to help.

1435
00:51:22,676 --> 00:51:24,311
It's a community effort to take

1436
00:51:24,311 --> 00:51:26,414
back their community and say

1437
00:51:26,414 --> 00:51:27,280
we're not going to put up with

1438
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:28,581
this.

1439
00:51:28,581 --> 00:51:31,581
We're going to take action.

1440
00:51:31,785 --> 00:51:35,489
Before we get on the scene and

1441
00:51:35,489 --> 00:51:36,924
use either ring video or camera

1442
00:51:36,924 --> 00:51:38,924
video.

1443
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,295
I'm not wanting neighbors

1444
00:51:41,295 --> 00:51:43,295
attacking neighbors.

1445
00:51:45,365 --> 00:51:47,100
I'm a dog lover and dog owner.

1446
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:48,869
Every time a firework goes off,

1447
00:51:48,869 --> 00:51:51,171
they're not happy and I have to

1448
00:51:51,171 --> 00:51:53,340
deal with that anxiety.

1449
00:51:53,340 --> 00:51:55,609
why are we putting average

1450
00:51:55,609 --> 00:51:58,780
citizens who want to live day to

1451
00:51:58,780 --> 00:52:00,147
day that now have animals in

1452
00:52:00,147 --> 00:52:02,182
this heightened state because of

1453
00:52:02,182 --> 00:52:02,616
illegal fireworks going on.

1454
00:52:02,616 --> 00:52:04,551
>>Councilmember Dos

1455
00:52:04,551 --> 00:52:05,485
santos-tam: lead to neighbor

1456
00:52:05,485 --> 00:52:06,753
effect.

1457
00:52:06,753 --> 00:52:09,153
If somebody's using, whether

1458
00:52:09,356 --> 00:52:12,356
it's permitted or not a

1459
00:52:15,329 --> 00:52:16,730
sparkler, fan fountain and something

1460
00:52:16,730 --> 00:52:18,833
happens and the neighbor's house

1461
00:52:18,833 --> 00:52:20,340
goes up in flames or their

1462
00:52:20,340 --> 00:52:22,340
bushes or whatever.

1463
00:52:22,690 --> 00:52:24,690
Who's at fault?

1464
00:52:24,205 --> 00:52:25,873
What does that look like?

1465
00:52:25,873 --> 00:52:27,274
How do we go after the people

1466
00:52:27,274 --> 00:52:29,409
who lit the fuse?

1467
00:52:29,409 --> 00:52:31,546
Is it the property owner?

1468
00:52:31,546 --> 00:52:32,546
Is it the six-year-old who light

1469
00:52:32,546 --> 00:52:33,414
it?

1470
00:52:33,414 --> 00:52:35,414
Who's responsible?

1471
00:52:35,749 --> 00:52:37,284
>> if we could prove the

1472
00:52:37,284 --> 00:52:38,919
six-year-old that lit it, it

1473
00:52:38,919 --> 00:52:39,686
would be the parents

1474
00:52:39,686 --> 00:52:41,686
responsible.

1475
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:46,600
We would have to do a forensics

1476
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,600
investigation.

1477
00:52:48,362 --> 00:52:50,362
Get witness state.

1478
00:52:50,998 --> 00:52:52,998
S, video evidence.

1479
00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:56,300
It would be a full-fledges

1480
00:52:58,572 --> 00:53:01,409
investigation of what happened what happened.

1481
00:53:01,409 --> 00:53:05,900
And take many application and --

1482
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:05,266
police and hours to investigate

1483
00:53:05,266 --> 00:53:05,780
that.

1484
00:53:05,780 --> 00:53:06,980
>>Councilmember Dos

1485
00:53:06,980 --> 00:53:08,980
santos-tam: thank you.

1486
00:53:09,830 --> 00:53:11,483
>>Chair Okimoto: chair waters.

1487
00:53:12,219 --> 00:53:14,619
>>Chair Waters: chief hao.

1488
00:53:16,824 --> 00:53:19,224
I'm looking at ordinance

1489
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:20,794
20-6.13, permit for the

1490
00:53:20,794 --> 00:53:22,794
firecrackers.

1491
00:53:23,964 --> 00:53:26,330
I don't recall when this

1492
00:53:26,330 --> 00:53:26,567
particular requirement was

1493
00:53:26,567 --> 00:53:28,567
passed.

1494
00:53:29,736 --> 00:53:31,505
Do you recall when it was

1495
00:53:31,505 --> 00:53:32,940
required to get a permit?

1496
00:53:32,940 --> 00:53:34,940
>> I do not.

1497
00:53:35,877 --> 00:53:37,811
I have my prevention chiefs

1498
00:53:37,811 --> 00:53:39,811
here.

1499
00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:46,919
maybe they would know.

1500
00:53:47,588 --> 00:53:49,456
>>Chair Waters: because I'm

1501
00:53:49,456 --> 00:53:51,580
wondering if the -- it could be

1502
00:53:51,580 --> 00:53:53,227
attributed to the ban, of

1503
00:53:53,227 --> 00:53:54,528
course, but it could also be

1504
00:53:54,528 --> 00:53:56,731
attributed to the fact that you

1505
00:53:56,731 --> 00:53:58,650
got to get a permit now.

1506
00:53:58,650 --> 00:54:01,650
So less people go out.

1507
00:54:02,670 --> 00:54:06,270
I grew up with the sanchez's

1508
00:54:06,940 --> 00:54:09,940
across the streets and kuumoos.

1509
00:54:09,977 --> 00:54:12,413
We all used to pop firecracker.

1510
00:54:12,413 --> 00:54:13,614
Now I got to get a permit.

1511
00:54:13,614 --> 00:54:15,783
I don't do it.

1512
00:54:15,783 --> 00:54:17,785
I'm wondering if that it a pos

1513
00:54:17,785 --> 00:54:20,785
pos effect on decreasing the

1514
00:54:26,527 --> 00:54:29,527
amount of injuries as well.

1515
00:54:37,939 --> 00:54:39,939
No problem.

1516
00:54:40,642 --> 00:54:42,760
>> it was in 2010.

1517
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,760
>>Chair Waters: permit

1518
00:54:45,245 --> 00:54:46,346
requirement was the same time as

1519
00:54:46,346 --> 00:54:48,346
original ban.

1520
00:54:48,749 --> 00:54:49,917
What actually can you do with a

1521
00:54:49,917 --> 00:54:51,917
permit?

1522
00:54:51,953 --> 00:54:53,540
How much firecrackers are you

1523
00:54:53,540 --> 00:54:55,540
allowed to purchase?

1524
00:54:56,570 --> 00:54:58,250
>> I think 5,000 per permit.

1525
00:54:58,250 --> 00:55:00,425
>>Chair Waters: I see.

1526
00:55:00,528 --> 00:55:02,162
Since the ban, and I have no

1527
00:55:02,162 --> 00:55:04,932
statistics to back it up, but

1528
00:55:04,932 --> 00:55:09,132
since the ban, it seems like the

1529
00:55:09,203 --> 00:55:11,506
illegal aerials got worse.

1530
00:55:11,506 --> 00:55:13,274
So last couple of years, last

1531
00:55:13,274 --> 00:55:15,777
year I was in ewa.

1532
00:55:15,777 --> 00:55:17,211
The whole sky was lit up.

1533
00:55:17,211 --> 00:55:19,180
Year before that I was in

1534
00:55:19,180 --> 00:55:20,380
waimanalo.

1535
00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:21,949
Esther's district.

1536
00:55:21,949 --> 00:55:24,949
Whole sky was lit up.

1537
00:55:25,420 --> 00:55:26,554
My house from kaimuki

1538
00:55:26,554 --> 00:55:26,921
overlooking kahala, it was no

1539
00:55:26,921 --> 00:55:28,921
different.

1540
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,125
It was beautiful and amazing,

1541
00:55:31,125 --> 00:55:32,326
but that's got to be dangerous.

1542
00:55:32,326 --> 00:55:34,326
Right.

1543
00:55:34,429 --> 00:55:35,896
I'm wondering if there's a

1544
00:55:35,896 --> 00:55:38,567
correlation between the ban and

1545
00:55:38,567 --> 00:55:40,567
the illegals.

1546
00:55:41,669 --> 00:55:42,636
And I don't know, I want your

1547
00:55:42,636 --> 00:55:44,636
thoughts on that.

1548
00:55:44,772 --> 00:55:46,908
>> I mean, they could be.

1549
00:55:46,908 --> 00:55:50,211
going to stick to our data, and

1550
00:55:50,211 --> 00:55:52,180
my perspective is again, we took

1551
00:55:52,180 --> 00:55:53,281
the consumer fireworks out of

1552
00:55:53,281 --> 00:55:55,281
the equation.

1553
00:55:55,783 --> 00:55:58,753
If you look at the years

1554
00:55:58,753 --> 00:56:00,721
preceding, right after the ban,

1555
00:56:00,721 --> 00:56:03,721
it went straight down already.

1556
00:56:04,892 --> 00:56:06,961
If you're saying that 2011, '12,

1557
00:56:06,961 --> 00:56:08,629
'13, there wasn't that many

1558
00:56:08,629 --> 00:56:11,629
aerials, it diddy crease during

1559
00:56:14,335 --> 00:56:17,705
that -- did decrease from that

1560
00:56:17,705 --> 00:56:19,705
time.

1561
00:56:19,807 --> 00:56:21,576
We're going to go back on the

1562
00:56:21,576 --> 00:56:24,780
cause based on the intertaste of

1563
00:56:24,780 --> 00:56:26,780
the data.

1564
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:26,547
Largely due to consumer

1565
00:56:26,547 --> 00:56:27,815
fireworks.

1566
00:56:27,815 --> 00:56:28,350
>>Chair Waters: it makes

1567
00:56:28,350 --> 00:56:30,350
sense.

1568
00:56:30,985 --> 00:56:33,955
The less fireworks there are,

1569
00:56:33,955 --> 00:56:34,722
the less likelihood of injury or

1570
00:56:34,722 --> 00:56:36,157
fire.

1571
00:56:36,157 --> 00:56:38,157
Makes complete sense.

1572
00:56:39,126 --> 00:56:41,329
I'm wondering that if you don't

1573
00:56:41,329 --> 00:56:44,298
give people some outlet, they

1574
00:56:44,298 --> 00:56:47,134
are going to turn to the

1575
00:56:47,134 --> 00:56:49,134
illegals.

1576
00:56:49,770 --> 00:56:50,372
I'm not convinced that's a per

1577
00:56:50,372 --> 00:56:52,372
baseballive argument.

1578
00:56:53,942 --> 00:56:56,440
If you give people some

1579
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:56,377
opportunity they won't use

1580
00:56:56,377 --> 00:56:58,377
illegals.

1581
00:56:59,414 --> 00:57:01,182
If this ordinance, we are

1582
00:57:01,182 --> 00:57:04,180
allowing people to pop with the

1583
00:57:04,180 --> 00:57:04,752
permit and illegals are still

1584
00:57:04,752 --> 00:57:05,653
on.

1585
00:57:05,653 --> 00:57:07,621
Really tough one.

1586
00:57:07,621 --> 00:57:09,390
Thank you.

1587
00:57:09,390 --> 00:57:11,693
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you,

1588
00:57:11,693 --> 00:57:13,227
chair waters.

1589
00:57:13,227 --> 00:57:15,627
Members, any further questions?

1590
00:57:16,297 --> 00:57:18,933
Thank you so much, hfd and chief

1591
00:57:18,933 --> 00:57:20,670
logan was here as well.

1592
00:57:20,670 --> 00:57:21,200
As well andy.

1593
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,370
Thank you for answers our

1594
00:57:22,370 --> 00:57:23,938
questions.

1595
00:57:23,938 --> 00:57:25,907
Seeing no further questions

1596
00:57:25,907 --> 00:57:27,108
we'll proceed with in-person

1597
00:57:27,108 --> 00:57:29,108
testimony.

1598
00:57:29,410 --> 00:57:31,790
Clerks, any registered or

1599
00:57:31,790 --> 00:57:32,113
nonregistered testifiers?

1600
00:57:32,113 --> 00:57:32,362
>>Clerk: we have some standing

1601
00:57:32,362 --> 00:57:34,362
by.

1602
00:57:37,585 --> 00:57:39,985
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you.

1603
00:57:42,924 --> 00:57:46,524
I'd like to welcome chu lan

1604
00:57:49,630 --> 00:57:51,630
shuberth kwak.

1605
00:57:51,999 --> 00:57:53,999
>>Testifier: thank you.

1606
00:57:54,202 --> 00:57:54,969
And good afternoon,

1607
00:57:54,969 --> 00:57:56,969
councilmembers.

1608
00:57:57,380 --> 00:57:58,572
This is good.

1609
00:57:58,572 --> 00:58:01,543
I want to support part of the

1610
00:58:01,543 --> 00:58:04,812
bill because I would not support

1611
00:58:04,812 --> 00:58:06,681
having sparklers or fountains.

1612
00:58:06,681 --> 00:58:08,950
Usually they go to kids, and

1613
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:09,383
they can't control how to use

1614
00:58:09,383 --> 00:58:11,383
it.

1615
00:58:12,387 --> 00:58:14,787
I'm supportive of retailers

1616
00:58:16,123 --> 00:58:18,259
taking the permit for legal

1617
00:58:18,259 --> 00:58:20,495
fireworks for cultural reasons.

1618
00:58:20,495 --> 00:58:24,950
That people can for chinese new

1619
00:58:24,332 --> 00:58:25,967
year and other cultural needs.

1620
00:58:25,967 --> 00:58:29,237
I also would like to propose

1621
00:58:29,237 --> 00:58:32,837
that the city or fire department

1622
00:58:33,508 --> 00:58:36,477
designate an area like a park in

1623
00:58:36,477 --> 00:58:38,877
like countries in singapore,

1624
00:58:40,414 --> 00:58:42,814
where you have predominantly

1625
00:58:44,786 --> 00:58:46,654
chinese people, they don't allow

1626
00:58:46,654 --> 00:58:48,856
fireworks in residential area.

1627
00:58:48,856 --> 00:58:50,826
You're allowed to purchase the

1628
00:58:50,826 --> 00:58:54,328
number to go to a designated

1629
00:58:54,328 --> 00:58:55,296
place that is set up to let off

1630
00:58:55,296 --> 00:58:57,296
firecrackers.

1631
00:58:57,532 --> 00:59:00,532
Maybe pray to your ancestors

1632
00:59:01,202 --> 00:59:03,602
with a make-do stage.

1633
00:59:04,606 --> 00:59:08,543
I think that might work to allow

1634
00:59:08,543 --> 00:59:10,846
for some outlet to do the

1635
00:59:10,846 --> 00:59:11,947
fireworks for cultural reasons

1636
00:59:11,947 --> 00:59:13,947
and provide safety.

1637
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:16,415
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you

1638
00:59:16,418 --> 00:59:18,153
very much.

1639
00:59:18,153 --> 00:59:19,530
>>Testifier: and less call to

1640
00:59:19,530 --> 00:59:20,755
police and fire department.

1641
00:59:20,755 --> 00:59:22,957
>>Chair Okimoto: any questions

1642
00:59:22,957 --> 00:59:24,957
for the testifier?

1643
00:59:26,394 --> 00:59:29,994
Seeing none, I'd like to welcome

1644
00:59:30,131 --> 00:59:32,131
tina yamaki.

1645
00:59:35,703 --> 00:59:36,571
Aloha.

1646
00:59:36,571 --> 00:59:38,674
>>Testifier: aloha and good

1647
00:59:38,674 --> 00:59:40,674
afternoon.

1648
00:59:42,310 --> 00:59:43,879
Tina yamakakki.

1649
00:59:43,879 --> 00:59:44,946
we're in strong support.

1650
00:59:44,946 --> 00:59:46,614
City and county of honolulu is

1651
00:59:46,614 --> 00:59:48,450
the only county that has banned

1652
00:59:48,450 --> 00:59:49,851
commercial fireworks.

1653
00:59:49,851 --> 00:59:50,651
And this bill would reverse

1654
00:59:50,651 --> 00:59:52,651
that.

1655
00:59:53,922 --> 00:59:56,758
We're talking about the pop, pop

1656
00:59:56,758 --> 00:59:57,140
firecrackers most of us grew up

1657
00:59:57,140 --> 00:59:58,393
with.

1658
00:59:58,393 --> 01:00:00,795
We're not talking about the

1659
01:00:00,795 --> 01:00:02,795
aerials and bombs.

1660
01:00:03,431 --> 01:00:05,831
Firecrackers hold a profound

1661
01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:08,700
cultural significance with not

1662
01:00:10,339 --> 01:00:11,138
just chinese and japanese and

1663
01:00:11,138 --> 01:00:12,207
filipinos.

1664
01:00:12,207 --> 01:00:14,607
Especially celebrations like new

1665
01:00:15,744 --> 01:00:18,144
years and other festivities.

1666
01:00:18,246 --> 01:00:20,646
It brings people together.

1667
01:00:22,517 --> 01:00:24,586
Sale in consumer fireworks

1668
01:00:24,586 --> 01:00:27,586
contribute to the local economy.

1669
01:00:27,755 --> 01:00:30,592
Prior to the ban, retailers were

1670
01:00:30,592 --> 01:00:33,128
all to sell these and it helped

1671
01:00:33,128 --> 01:00:35,128
with their businesses.

1672
01:00:37,799 --> 01:00:41,669
Now all the sales are going to

1673
01:00:41,669 --> 01:00:42,770
illegal and black market.

1674
01:00:42,770 --> 01:00:44,306
Those on the black market,

1675
01:00:44,306 --> 01:00:46,306
they're not regulated.

1676
01:00:47,342 --> 01:00:48,543
So thank you.

1677
01:00:48,543 --> 01:00:49,644
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you so

1678
01:00:49,644 --> 01:00:50,912
much.

1679
01:00:50,912 --> 01:00:52,912
Members, any questions?

1680
01:00:53,815 --> 01:00:55,450
Thank you, tina.

1681
01:00:55,450 --> 01:00:56,785
Clerks, any further in-person

1682
01:00:56,785 --> 01:00:57,953
tossers?

1683
01:00:57,953 --> 01:00:59,388
>>Clerk: there are none.

1684
01:00:59,388 --> 01:01:01,589
>>Chair Okimoto: we'll proceed

1685
01:01:01,589 --> 01:01:03,589
with remote testimony.

1686
01:01:05,940 --> 01:01:06,561
Any registered or nonregistered

1687
01:01:06,561 --> 01:01:08,561
remote testifiers?

1688
01:01:09,398 --> 01:01:12,398
>>Clerk: we have some standing

1689
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:13,869
by.

1690
01:01:13,869 --> 01:01:15,869
Thank you.

1691
01:01:17,306 --> 01:01:17,561
Those of you waiting patiently

1692
01:01:17,561 --> 01:01:19,408
online.

1693
01:01:19,408 --> 01:01:22,911
Whenwhen I call your name or last

1694
01:01:22,911 --> 01:01:24,780
three digits of your number,

1695
01:01:24,780 --> 01:01:27,850
state your name for the record.

1696
01:01:27,850 --> 01:01:28,483
First, daniel from phantom

1697
01:01:28,483 --> 01:01:30,850
fireworks.

1698
01:01:30,850 --> 01:01:33,685
>>Clerk: he has not logged on.

1699
01:01:35,390 --> 01:01:36,391
>>Chair Okimoto: tad from tnt

1700
01:01:36,391 --> 01:01:37,526
fireworks.

1701
01:01:37,526 --> 01:01:38,693
>>Testifier: aloha, chair,

1702
01:01:38,693 --> 01:01:40,129
vice clair and members of the

1703
01:01:40,129 --> 01:01:42,129
committee and councilmembers.

1704
01:01:42,197 --> 01:01:44,833
My name is tad trout, a partner

1705
01:01:44,833 --> 01:01:46,335
with tnt fireworks in strong

1706
01:01:46,335 --> 01:01:47,936
support of bill 22.

1707
01:01:47,936 --> 01:01:48,503
Thank you for the opportunity to

1708
01:01:48,503 --> 01:01:50,503
testify today.

1709
01:01:50,906 --> 01:01:54,643
Over the past few days a handful

1710
01:01:54,643 --> 01:01:55,944
of letters opposing bill 22 have

1711
01:01:55,944 --> 01:01:57,944
been filed.

1712
01:01:58,380 --> 01:02:00,649
Most raised the concerns of

1713
01:02:00,649 --> 01:02:03,490
illegal aerial and explosives

1714
01:02:03,385 --> 01:02:04,820
that are being sold in the black

1715
01:02:04,820 --> 01:02:05,620
market and used throughout

1716
01:02:05,620 --> 01:02:07,620
honolulu.

1717
01:02:08,991 --> 01:02:10,759
They have included state

1718
01:02:10,759 --> 01:02:12,759
approved novelties.

1719
01:02:13,610 --> 01:02:15,164
They are part of the solutions.

1720
01:02:15,164 --> 01:02:16,932
These do not exceed 12 feet in

1721
01:02:16,932 --> 01:02:19,932
height and sold throughout the

1722
01:02:21,203 --> 01:02:23,203
other counties.

1723
01:02:25,907 --> 01:02:27,907
Offeringal legal consumer

1724
01:02:30,379 --> 01:02:32,114
fireworks will offer a -- as I

1725
01:02:32,114 --> 01:02:33,114
previously testified, a

1726
01:02:33,114 --> 01:02:35,114
three-prong approach that

1727
01:02:35,283 --> 01:02:37,683
include one, safe alternative

1728
01:02:37,919 --> 01:02:39,919
that bill 22 provides.

1729
01:02:42,124 --> 01:02:43,858
Two, stepped up enforcement

1730
01:02:43,858 --> 01:02:45,227
effort and three, safety and

1731
01:02:45,227 --> 01:02:46,261
education.

1732
01:02:46,261 --> 01:02:49,261
They'll make a huge difference

1733
01:02:50,533 --> 01:02:52,670
in the illegal black market

1734
01:02:52,670 --> 01:02:54,670
trade.

1735
01:02:58,506 --> 01:03:01,577
Plews support -- plea please support the bill.

1736
01:03:01,577 --> 01:03:01,844
>>Chair Okimoto: any

1737
01:03:01,844 --> 01:03:03,844
questions?

1738
01:03:11,587 --> 01:03:12,154
Next, valley from co.P.D.

1739
01:03:12,154 --> 01:03:14,154
Coalition.

1740
01:03:14,222 --> 01:03:17,222
>>Testifier: can you hear me?

1741
01:03:17,525 --> 01:03:19,361
I'm valley from hawai'I copd

1742
01:03:19,361 --> 01:03:21,361
coalition representing 45,000

1743
01:03:21,797 --> 01:03:23,899
people in hawai'I that have been

1744
01:03:23,899 --> 01:03:25,634
diagnosed with copd.

1745
01:03:25,634 --> 01:03:27,502
We have a really, really hard

1746
01:03:27,502 --> 01:03:29,938
time when there are things in

1747
01:03:29,938 --> 01:03:32,938
the air like pollutants from

1748
01:03:41,216 --> 01:03:41,783
fireworks and par particular particulate

1749
01:03:41,783 --> 01:03:43,783
matter.

1750
01:03:45,870 --> 01:03:46,288
It doesn't matter ifs lyle or

1751
01:03:46,288 --> 01:03:48,288
illegal.

1752
01:03:48,791 --> 01:03:50,626
When there's stuff from

1753
01:03:50,626 --> 01:03:52,394
fountains to sparklers those

1754
01:03:52,394 --> 01:03:54,620
emit things and it's really hard

1755
01:03:54,620 --> 01:03:55,764
for those of us who have

1756
01:03:55,764 --> 01:03:56,432
challenges breathing.

1757
01:03:56,432 --> 01:03:57,766
Thank you very much.

1758
01:03:57,766 --> 01:03:58,633
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you so

1759
01:03:58,633 --> 01:04:00,633
much.

1760
01:04:01,269 --> 01:04:02,304
Members, any questions for the

1761
01:04:02,304 --> 01:04:04,600
testifier?

1762
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,600
None.

1763
01:04:06,342 --> 01:04:07,943
Clerks any further online or

1764
01:04:07,943 --> 01:04:08,710
remote testifiers?

1765
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:10,379
>>Clerk: we do.

1766
01:04:10,379 --> 01:04:12,779
>>Chair Okimoto: if you

1767
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:16,385
could -- I see natalie iwasa.

1768
01:04:16,385 --> 01:04:18,353
We'll go with you first.

1769
01:04:18,353 --> 01:04:20,353
I'm sorry.

1770
01:04:22,290 --> 01:04:24,690
I got an update.

1771
01:04:27,896 --> 01:04:28,431
Next, stephanie kendrick.

1772
01:04:28,431 --> 01:04:30,431
>>Testifier: sorry.

1773
01:04:31,166 --> 01:04:34,360
It took me a minute to get

1774
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,360
authorization to unmute.

1775
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,410
Chair, vice chair, committee

1776
01:04:39,410 --> 01:04:41,430
members, stephanie with hawaiian

1777
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:42,311
humane society.

1778
01:04:42,311 --> 01:04:43,812
I'll grateful for the

1779
01:04:43,812 --> 01:04:45,447
opportunity to testify.

1780
01:04:45,447 --> 01:04:46,482
You have our written testimony

1781
01:04:46,482 --> 01:04:48,482
in opposition.

1782
01:04:49,180 --> 01:04:49,685
I went to highlight a cowl

1783
01:04:49,685 --> 01:04:51,653
points.

1784
01:04:51,653 --> 01:04:53,188
We've been at the forefront of

1785
01:04:53,188 --> 01:04:55,791
arguing to get fireworks ot of

1786
01:04:55,791 --> 01:04:57,626
our mains for a very long time

1787
01:04:57,626 --> 01:04:59,962
because of the damage it does to

1788
01:04:59,962 --> 01:05:02,164
the mental health and safety of

1789
01:05:02,164 --> 01:05:03,232
animals as well as vulnerable

1790
01:05:03,232 --> 01:05:05,232
people.

1791
01:05:07,636 --> 01:05:08,971
2010 law, I think, has been a

1792
01:05:08,971 --> 01:05:10,906
missed opportunities because of

1793
01:05:10,906 --> 01:05:11,774
lack of enforcement that came

1794
01:05:11,774 --> 01:05:13,774
along with it.

1795
01:05:13,842 --> 01:05:16,912
We've seen in the last few

1796
01:05:16,912 --> 01:05:18,447
months more fireworks than in

1797
01:05:18,447 --> 01:05:20,447
the last 14 years.

1798
01:05:20,749 --> 01:05:23,251
I would urge the council to

1799
01:05:23,251 --> 01:05:26,121
defer this and give the illegal

1800
01:05:26,121 --> 01:05:29,592
firework task force a champs to --

1801
01:05:29,592 --> 01:05:33,192
chance to do its job before

1802
01:05:33,718 --> 01:05:34,530
complicating things with a huge

1803
01:05:34,530 --> 01:05:35,970
influx with consumer grade

1804
01:05:35,970 --> 01:05:36,932
fireworks.

1805
01:05:36,932 --> 01:05:37,933
Get the bombs out of our

1806
01:05:37,933 --> 01:05:38,600
neighborhoods.

1807
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:38,858
Thank you for the opportunity to

1808
01:05:38,858 --> 01:05:40,858
tev.

1809
01:05:41,203 --> 01:05:42,938
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you.

1810
01:05:42,938 --> 01:05:44,573
Members, any questions?

1811
01:05:44,573 --> 01:05:46,573
Okay.

1812
01:05:50,513 --> 01:05:51,180
Next, jamie jamie johnston.

1813
01:05:51,180 --> 01:05:51,948
>>Testifier: hi.

1814
01:05:51,948 --> 01:05:53,948
Thank you.

1815
01:05:54,450 --> 01:05:56,585
My name is jamie johnston in

1816
01:05:56,585 --> 01:05:58,985
strong support of bill 22.

1817
01:05:59,555 --> 01:06:01,924
I grew up here all my life, and

1818
01:06:01,924 --> 01:06:03,659
it was so much fun.

1819
01:06:03,659 --> 01:06:06,280
I have fond memories playing

1820
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:07,797
with sparklers with my family on

1821
01:06:07,797 --> 01:06:09,665
new year's and JULY.

1822
01:06:09,665 --> 01:06:11,534
I really want my children to

1823
01:06:11,534 --> 01:06:12,235
experience the same joy with

1824
01:06:12,235 --> 01:06:13,636
sparklers.

1825
01:06:13,636 --> 01:06:14,203
Thank you so much.

1826
01:06:14,203 --> 01:06:15,705
I appreciate the time.

1827
01:06:15,705 --> 01:06:17,600
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you so

1828
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,600
much.

1829
01:06:19,742 --> 01:06:21,610
Members, any questions for the

1830
01:06:21,610 --> 01:06:22,377
testifier?

1831
01:06:22,377 --> 01:06:23,679
None.

1832
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:25,679
Next.

1833
01:06:26,115 --> 01:06:27,316
Rus nakamura.

1834
01:06:27,316 --> 01:06:27,817
>>Clerk: testifiers has not

1835
01:06:27,817 --> 01:06:29,817
logged on.

1836
01:06:32,354 --> 01:06:33,689
>>Chair Okimoto: members, chad

1837
01:06:33,689 --> 01:06:35,580
sakagawawa.

1838
01:06:35,580 --> 01:06:38,580
>>Clerk: he's not logged on.

1839
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,428
>>Chair Okimoto: natalie iwasa

1840
01:06:41,431 --> 01:06:42,565
iwasa.

1841
01:06:42,565 --> 01:06:44,565
>>Testifier: thank you.

1842
01:06:44,767 --> 01:06:47,169
Thank you also to the honolulu

1843
01:06:47,169 --> 01:06:48,604
fire department for providing

1844
01:06:48,604 --> 01:06:50,604
those statistics.

1845
01:06:51,707 --> 01:06:55,440
You know, we heard that a lot of

1846
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,780
the firework problems were with

1847
01:06:57,780 --> 01:07:01,380
other days outside of JULY 4 and

1848
01:07:01,817 --> 01:07:03,686
new years and it's handmade.

1849
01:07:03,686 --> 01:07:06,686
those should be enforceed, but

1850
01:07:10,927 --> 01:07:11,994
as we saw in the 1920s,

1851
01:07:11,994 --> 01:07:13,529
prohibition didn't work.

1852
01:07:13,529 --> 01:07:15,929
My his has asthma.

1853
01:07:16,466 --> 01:07:18,468
My son has asthma and they both

1854
01:07:18,468 --> 01:07:20,468
support the fireworks.

1855
01:07:21,303 --> 01:07:24,903
Bill 22 is a reasonable way to

1856
01:07:26,776 --> 01:07:29,780
affair scheduler sumer consumer fireworks

1857
01:07:29,780 --> 01:07:30,279
without having the illegal

1858
01:07:30,279 --> 01:07:32,679
aerials and big bombs.

1859
01:07:33,817 --> 01:07:36,419
I would ask enforcement outside

1860
01:07:36,419 --> 01:07:36,852
of those certain fireworks be

1861
01:07:36,852 --> 01:07:38,852
enforced.

1862
01:07:40,590 --> 01:07:42,692
That would reduce the amount of

1863
01:07:42,692 --> 01:07:44,930
illegal aerials we see today.

1864
01:07:44,930 --> 01:07:44,338
Thank you for allowing me to

1865
01:07:44,338 --> 01:07:45,295
testify.

1866
01:07:45,295 --> 01:07:46,395
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you so

1867
01:07:46,395 --> 01:07:48,395
much.

1868
01:07:49,264 --> 01:07:50,320
Members, any questions?

1869
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,320
None.

1870
01:07:55,605 --> 01:07:56,739
We'll go next to corren.

1871
01:07:56,739 --> 01:07:58,739
>>Testifier: hi.

1872
01:07:59,809 --> 01:08:03,409
I'm here in support of bill 22.

1873
01:08:12,655 --> 01:08:15,491
I followed what MS. Iwasa said.

1874
01:08:15,491 --> 01:08:17,260
Fireworks bring so much joy to

1875
01:08:17,260 --> 01:08:19,950
the community and cultural

1876
01:08:19,950 --> 01:08:21,263
purposes and value and allow us

1877
01:08:21,263 --> 01:08:23,466
to celebrate the new year and

1878
01:08:23,466 --> 01:08:24,667
fourth of JULY and helps the

1879
01:08:24,667 --> 01:08:26,636
local economy.

1880
01:08:26,636 --> 01:08:29,939
We could put some taxes from

1881
01:08:29,939 --> 01:08:30,906
these fireworks towards first

1882
01:08:30,906 --> 01:08:33,306
responder training and safety

1883
01:08:33,376 --> 01:08:34,711
and funding for emergency

1884
01:08:34,711 --> 01:08:35,778
services.

1885
01:08:35,778 --> 01:08:36,445
Please consider all those

1886
01:08:36,445 --> 01:08:36,846
things.

1887
01:08:36,846 --> 01:08:37,980
Thank you so much.

1888
01:08:37,980 --> 01:08:40,380
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you.

1889
01:08:41,151 --> 01:08:43,453
Members, first questions for the

1890
01:08:43,453 --> 01:08:45,453
testifier?

1891
01:08:46,790 --> 01:08:48,790
None.

1892
01:08:50,594 --> 01:08:53,594
One more person. Angela melody

1893
01:08:54,230 --> 01:08:56,650
young on behalf of cares.

1894
01:08:56,650 --> 01:08:58,701
We have extreme levels of

1895
01:08:58,701 --> 01:09:00,270
hazardous explosives and a safe

1896
01:09:00,270 --> 01:09:01,771
level where they can light it up

1897
01:09:01,771 --> 01:09:03,673
and it's not going to be a

1898
01:09:03,673 --> 01:09:05,700
public health and safety issue.

1899
01:09:05,700 --> 01:09:08,700
what you're trying to determine

1900
01:09:08,778 --> 01:09:11,778
is the distinguishing line of

1901
01:09:11,848 --> 01:09:13,848
extreme versus safe.

1902
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:17,750
I'm curious what the vibe is

1903
01:09:17,953 --> 01:09:18,521
with cultural practices of

1904
01:09:18,521 --> 01:09:20,521
firecrackers.

1905
01:09:21,457 --> 01:09:22,925
Is it a slap on the wrist versus

1906
01:09:22,925 --> 01:09:24,925
a severe citation?

1907
01:09:25,227 --> 01:09:26,929
For example, firecrackers you

1908
01:09:26,929 --> 01:09:28,464
get a fine.

1909
01:09:28,464 --> 01:09:29,465
And smoking crack is like a

1910
01:09:29,465 --> 01:09:31,465
felony.

1911
01:09:32,202 --> 01:09:33,736
It is a good idea to clarify

1912
01:09:33,736 --> 01:09:35,805
that with the city's prosecuting

1913
01:09:35,805 --> 01:09:37,805
tosh.

1914
01:09:38,341 --> 01:09:40,341
Tosh -- attorney.

1915
01:09:44,814 --> 01:09:47,214
I like cultural displays.

1916
01:09:48,518 --> 01:09:49,152
An event space for scheduler

1917
01:09:49,152 --> 01:09:51,152
fireworks.

1918
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:54,257
And I like to look at federal

1919
01:09:54,257 --> 01:09:55,859
data.

1920
01:09:55,859 --> 01:09:56,859
From the united states consumer

1921
01:09:56,859 --> 01:09:58,494
product safety commission which

1922
01:09:58,494 --> 01:10:00,894
regulate it's health reports.

1923
01:10:01,565 --> 01:10:04,434
Last year eight hundred injuries

1924
01:10:04,434 --> 01:10:05,970
calledded by firework and 700 by

1925
01:10:05,970 --> 01:10:06,168
sparklers.

1926
01:10:06,168 --> 01:10:08,710
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you.

1927
01:10:08,710 --> 01:10:08,972
>>Testifier: and most --

1928
01:10:08,972 --> 01:10:10,940
>>Chair Okimoto: any questions

1929
01:10:10,940 --> 01:10:12,541
for the testifier?

1930
01:10:12,541 --> 01:10:14,941
Thank you so much.

1931
01:10:16,278 --> 01:10:17,714
Okay.

1932
01:10:17,714 --> 01:10:20,114
Members, no further testifiers

1933
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,620
are here, we're now in

1934
01:10:23,620 --> 01:10:24,621
discussion.

1935
01:10:24,621 --> 01:10:26,621
Councilmember say.

1936
01:10:28,992 --> 01:10:29,292
And councilmember dos santos-tam

1937
01:10:29,292 --> 01:10:31,292
santos-tam.

1938
01:10:32,529 --> 01:10:34,929
>>Councilmember Say: chief hao

1939
01:10:36,899 --> 01:10:38,899
hao.

1940
01:10:40,270 --> 01:10:42,905
The question is, who makes up

1941
01:10:42,905 --> 01:10:43,773
the composition of your

1942
01:10:43,773 --> 01:10:45,773
fireworks task force?

1943
01:10:45,975 --> 01:10:46,643
Is it a start task force or

1944
01:10:46,643 --> 01:10:48,643
county task force?

1945
01:10:48,812 --> 01:10:52,412
>> it's a state led task force.

1946
01:10:53,749 --> 01:10:54,170
I'm sorry, I don't have

1947
01:10:54,170 --> 01:10:56,170
specifics.

1948
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:57,353
>>Councilmember Say: the

1949
01:10:57,353 --> 01:10:58,789
composition.

1950
01:10:58,789 --> 01:11:00,789
>> there's a police

1951
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,160
department -- I'm not certain.

1952
01:11:07,530 --> 01:11:09,650
>> I'm the fire inspector for

1953
01:11:09,650 --> 01:11:11,650
the fireworks.

1954
01:11:12,702 --> 01:11:15,702
It's roy, a retired hpd.

1955
01:11:15,972 --> 01:11:19,710
And jordan lowe, on top of him.

1956
01:11:19,710 --> 01:11:21,477
Roy runs the task force now.

1957
01:11:21,477 --> 01:11:23,477
>>Councilmember Say: and

1958
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,382
composition made up of different

1959
01:11:26,382 --> 01:11:28,782
segmentings of our community?

1960
01:11:29,119 --> 01:11:31,119
>> no, just them.

1961
01:11:34,490 --> 01:11:36,560
But they reach out to border

1962
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:37,594
patrol, coast guard, matson

1963
01:11:37,594 --> 01:11:38,761
lines.

1964
01:11:38,761 --> 01:11:39,997
Goes off to them.

1965
01:11:39,997 --> 01:11:40,630
>>Councilmember Say: none of

1966
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:41,965
the vendors?

1967
01:11:41,965 --> 01:11:43,666
>> no.

1968
01:11:43,666 --> 01:11:44,134
>>Councilmember Say: okay.

1969
01:11:44,134 --> 01:11:46,134
Thank you.

1970
01:11:49,273 --> 01:11:49,872
>> so far, they confiscate the

1971
01:11:49,872 --> 01:11:51,675
189,000 pounds.

1972
01:11:51,675 --> 01:11:53,977
Six containers worth of illegal

1973
01:11:53,977 --> 01:11:56,213
aerials and fireworks since they

1974
01:11:56,213 --> 01:11:57,460
started JULY 1, 2023.

1975
01:11:57,460 --> 01:11:59,460
>>Councilmember Say: okay.

1976
01:12:00,490 --> 01:12:00,917
This is all off to the west

1977
01:12:00,917 --> 01:12:02,885
coast?

1978
01:12:02,885 --> 01:12:04,321
>> and china.

1979
01:12:04,321 --> 01:12:05,521
>>Councilmember Say: matson is

1980
01:12:05,521 --> 01:12:07,521
the supplier?

1981
01:12:08,825 --> 01:12:10,160
>> there's matson, young brother

1982
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:11,995
and pasha.

1983
01:12:11,995 --> 01:12:13,963
>>Councilmember Say: pasha and

1984
01:12:13,963 --> 01:12:14,931
young brothers do not service to

1985
01:12:14,931 --> 01:12:16,931
china.

1986
01:12:17,234 --> 01:12:18,435
Matson services china direct.

1987
01:12:18,435 --> 01:12:20,435
>> yes.

1988
01:12:20,737 --> 01:12:20,983
But some of the stuff have come

1989
01:12:20,983 --> 01:12:21,738
from --

1990
01:12:21,738 --> 01:12:21,985
>>Councilmember Say: west

1991
01:12:21,985 --> 01:12:23,807
coast.

1992
01:12:23,807 --> 01:12:24,574
>> yeah.

1993
01:12:24,574 --> 01:12:26,574
>>Councilmember Say: that's

1994
01:12:29,646 --> 01:12:31,715
where the divvy -- difficulty occurs.

1995
01:12:31,715 --> 01:12:33,349
>> border patrol can search

1996
01:12:33,349 --> 01:12:34,451
everything that comes

1997
01:12:34,451 --> 01:12:36,451
international.

1998
01:12:36,753 --> 01:12:39,155
Things that come domestic, if

1999
01:12:39,155 --> 01:12:40,557
it's not somehow flagged, it

2000
01:12:40,557 --> 01:12:42,557
doesn't get checked.

2001
01:12:43,326 --> 01:12:45,162
Only way it guess checked if is

2002
01:12:45,162 --> 01:12:47,162
paperwork is wrong.

2003
01:12:49,332 --> 01:12:50,734
If something doesn't seem right.

2004
01:12:50,734 --> 01:12:51,634
International cargo are x-rayed

2005
01:12:51,634 --> 01:12:52,269
and economicked.

2006
01:12:52,269 --> 01:12:53,804
>>Councilmember Say: I would

2007
01:12:53,804 --> 01:12:55,772
say this.

2008
01:12:55,772 --> 01:12:56,206
Most are coming off the west

2009
01:12:56,206 --> 01:12:57,374
coast.

2010
01:12:57,374 --> 01:12:58,943
Why?

2011
01:12:58,943 --> 01:12:59,943
Because it's general

2012
01:12:59,943 --> 01:13:01,943
examination.

2013
01:13:02,612 --> 01:13:04,547
Here in honolulu it's intensive

2014
01:13:04,547 --> 01:13:05,849
when it comes from asia.

2015
01:13:05,849 --> 01:13:06,950
>> yes.

2016
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:07,196
>>Councilmember Say: thank

2017
01:13:07,196 --> 01:13:09,152
you.

2018
01:13:09,152 --> 01:13:09,753
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you.

2019
01:13:09,753 --> 01:13:10,186
Councilmember dos santos-tam.

2020
01:13:10,186 --> 01:13:10,788
>>Councilmember Dos

2021
01:13:10,788 --> 01:13:12,788
santos-tam: thank you.

2022
01:13:13,857 --> 01:13:16,926
I think overall, I have some

2023
01:13:16,926 --> 01:13:19,326
concerns about this, that

2024
01:13:19,763 --> 01:13:22,163
hopefully be can address.

2025
01:13:25,135 --> 01:13:26,136
I'm not quitable with moving

2026
01:13:26,136 --> 01:13:28,136
forward today.

2027
01:13:28,672 --> 01:13:30,207
Having a little more public

2028
01:13:30,207 --> 01:13:32,607
input would be helpful.

2029
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:35,450
If we're going to legalize some

2030
01:13:35,450 --> 01:13:37,130
degree of commercial fireworks

2031
01:13:37,130 --> 01:13:38,849
we do it in a way that's not

2032
01:13:38,849 --> 01:13:40,849
right for abuse.

2033
01:13:41,151 --> 01:13:44,751
Allowing for the sale of any

2034
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,260
type of sparkler, fountain, eth

2035
01:13:50,260 --> 01:13:51,562
et cetera without having an

2036
01:13:51,562 --> 01:13:52,229
understanding how those are

2037
01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:54,229
abused.

2038
01:13:55,165 --> 01:13:57,868
Not only do we have aerials we

2039
01:13:57,868 --> 01:13:59,636
have a lot of nuisance loud

2040
01:13:59,636 --> 01:14:00,404
bombs that people manufacture on

2041
01:14:00,404 --> 01:14:02,404
their own.

2042
01:14:03,407 --> 01:14:05,542
I'di'd like to make sure if we do

2043
01:14:05,542 --> 01:14:08,745
have a framework to permit these

2044
01:14:08,745 --> 01:14:09,312
I a it minimizes chance for

2045
01:14:09,312 --> 01:14:11,312
abuse.

2046
01:14:11,615 --> 01:14:13,684
We're really sensitive to that,

2047
01:14:13,684 --> 01:14:17,284
and also we minimize the chance

2048
01:14:17,420 --> 01:14:21,200
for injuries as well as fires

2049
01:14:21,891 --> 01:14:22,225
and other typings of

2050
01:14:22,225 --> 01:14:23,326
indepartment.

2051
01:14:23,326 --> 01:14:24,940
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you so

2052
01:14:24,940 --> 01:14:24,661
much.

2053
01:14:24,661 --> 01:14:26,960
Councilmember tulba.

2054
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:26,963
>>Councilmember Tulba: thank

2055
01:14:26,963 --> 01:14:28,963
you.

2056
01:14:29,366 --> 01:14:30,835
I echo councilmember dos

2057
01:14:30,835 --> 01:14:32,835
santos-tam.

2058
01:14:33,970 --> 01:14:34,304
I think was a great

2059
01:14:34,304 --> 01:14:35,172
conversation.

2060
01:14:35,172 --> 01:14:35,739
Thank you so much for all the

2061
01:14:35,739 --> 01:14:37,739
stats.

2062
01:14:38,375 --> 01:14:41,375
We know 9 challenges, and I

2063
01:14:41,411 --> 01:14:44,314
would be okay with deferring and

2064
01:14:44,314 --> 01:14:45,582
having more discussion even

2065
01:14:45,582 --> 01:14:46,483
possibly adding more people to

2066
01:14:46,483 --> 01:14:48,483
this task force.

2067
01:14:52,156 --> 01:14:54,458
Now that councilmember say

2068
01:14:54,458 --> 01:14:54,859
making good points of who's

2069
01:14:54,859 --> 01:14:56,859
shipping.

2070
01:14:57,194 --> 01:14:58,129
Maybe having the retailers

2071
01:14:58,129 --> 01:14:58,729
involved.

2072
01:14:58,729 --> 01:15:00,729
Yeah.

2073
01:15:01,465 --> 01:15:02,900
I'll be okay with having more

2074
01:15:02,900 --> 01:15:04,900
discussion.

2075
01:15:05,335 --> 01:15:08,935
I do understand the value of

2076
01:15:09,506 --> 01:15:11,408
come tram -- cultural practices.

2077
01:15:11,408 --> 01:15:14,812
My family love and I grew up

2078
01:15:14,812 --> 01:15:16,812
with the fireworks.

2079
01:15:18,515 --> 01:15:20,684
I'mi'm not a big fan.

2080
01:15:20,684 --> 01:15:23,354
I do video every year.

2081
01:15:23,354 --> 01:15:25,289
Be sensitive to the people,

2082
01:15:25,289 --> 01:15:27,289
especially kupuna.

2083
01:15:28,692 --> 01:15:30,940
Our veterans, and as well people

2084
01:15:30,940 --> 01:15:32,940
who own pets.

2085
01:15:32,796 --> 01:15:35,166
It is a challenge, and

2086
01:15:35,166 --> 01:15:37,134
appreciate the stats.

2087
01:15:37,134 --> 01:15:40,734
And would be interesting to see

2088
01:15:41,104 --> 01:15:43,740
the stats even before 2019 when

2089
01:15:43,740 --> 01:15:46,140
we were growing up.

2090
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:48,879
Thank you, councilmember say,

2091
01:15:48,879 --> 01:15:50,948
for bringing this discussion up.

2092
01:15:50,948 --> 01:15:52,382
I hope we can continue to have

2093
01:15:52,382 --> 01:15:54,382
great conversations and

2094
01:15:55,452 --> 01:15:58,722
hopefully come to some sort of

2095
01:15:58,722 --> 01:16:01,258
balance so we ken joy -- so our

2096
01:16:01,258 --> 01:16:03,227
children can enjoy the

2097
01:16:03,227 --> 01:16:03,561
sparklers, fountains and

2098
01:16:03,561 --> 01:16:04,995
firecrackers.

2099
01:16:04,995 --> 01:16:07,630
>>Chair Okimoto: thank you so

2100
01:16:07,630 --> 01:16:09,233
much vice chair tulba.

2101
01:16:09,233 --> 01:16:11,633
>>Councilmember Say: the idea

2102
01:16:12,403 --> 01:16:14,138
behind this, if we could stop

2103
01:16:14,138 --> 01:16:16,138
the black market.

2104
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:17,207
These products are in the black

2105
01:16:17,207 --> 01:16:19,207
market.

2106
01:16:20,411 --> 01:16:23,411
People bringing it in maybe

2107
01:16:23,613 --> 01:16:26,130
increasing the price range.

2108
01:16:27,785 --> 01:16:28,219
30, 40, 100% what the retailers

2109
01:16:28,219 --> 01:16:30,219
are selling.

2110
01:16:30,855 --> 01:16:33,157
You are looking out for the

2111
01:16:33,157 --> 01:16:36,157
consumer who wants to play

2112
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:38,829
sparkler, fountains eth et cetera.

2113
01:16:38,829 --> 01:16:40,731
I've never been a proponent for

2114
01:16:40,731 --> 01:16:41,799
fireworks and I agree with some

2115
01:16:41,799 --> 01:16:43,799
of the testifiers.

2116
01:16:48,572 --> 01:16:49,573
I have two dogs and mings -- MS. Ken

2117
01:16:49,573 --> 01:16:51,573
strict knows.

2118
01:16:54,478 --> 01:16:58,678
Topic and issue for me, as we,

2119
01:16:59,950 --> 01:17:00,551
as local residents getting

2120
01:17:00,551 --> 01:17:02,253
ripped off?

2121
01:17:02,253 --> 01:17:03,221
>>Chair Okimoto: I see no

2122
01:17:03,221 --> 01:17:05,221
further discussion.

2123
01:17:05,623 --> 01:17:09,223
I thank everyone for comingut out

2124
01:17:10,561 --> 01:17:11,795
today so we could discusses discuss

2125
01:17:11,795 --> 01:17:14,980
something that has been dear to

2126
01:17:14,980 --> 01:17:15,990
our communities but we want to

2127
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:17,990
respected our departments

2128
01:17:17,168 --> 01:17:19,470
keeping our community safe.

2129
01:17:19,470 --> 01:17:21,772
I took in the testimony and I

2130
01:17:21,772 --> 01:17:23,730
could see the size of everyone's

2131
01:17:23,730 --> 01:17:25,730
points.

2132
01:17:25,476 --> 01:17:28,979
And I think as I walk in my

2133
01:17:28,979 --> 01:17:29,980
community, pet lovers shared how

2134
01:17:29,980 --> 01:17:31,849
their -- they understand the

2135
01:17:31,849 --> 01:17:32,950
respect win the fireworks were

2136
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:34,950
allows.

2137
01:17:35,119 --> 01:17:37,855
Their dilemma and concerns were

2138
01:17:37,855 --> 01:17:40,855
when fireworks were going off

2139
01:17:41,358 --> 01:17:42,494
outside of those specified times

2140
01:17:42,494 --> 01:17:44,494
allotted.

2141
01:17:45,363 --> 01:17:47,197
We have to deal with enforcement

2142
01:17:47,197 --> 01:17:50,167
of things deemed illegal and

2143
01:17:50,167 --> 01:17:51,269
ones causing loud noise and

2144
01:17:51,269 --> 01:17:53,269
smoke.

2145
01:17:53,338 --> 01:17:54,772
Ones that go up in the air.

2146
01:17:54,772 --> 01:17:57,750
Thank you for the departments

2147
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:58,900
for coming and answering our

2148
01:17:58,900 --> 01:18:00,900
questions.

2149
01:18:00,378 --> 01:18:01,679
we appreciate you guys.

2150
01:18:01,679 --> 01:18:03,447
I want thank the introducer of

2151
01:18:03,447 --> 01:18:05,283
this bill.

2152
01:18:05,283 --> 01:18:08,283
It's good to see someone

2153
01:18:09,153 --> 01:18:12,153
thinking outside of the box.

2154
01:18:14,725 --> 01:18:15,293
We grew up -- I grew up with the the

2155
01:18:15,293 --> 01:18:17,293
fireworks.

2156
01:18:18,262 --> 01:18:19,897
My dad was a firework.

2157
01:18:19,897 --> 01:18:20,765
Reinflicted 9 fear of setting

2158
01:18:20,765 --> 01:18:22,765
things off.

2159
01:18:23,500 --> 01:18:24,602
He taught us how to do things

2160
01:18:24,602 --> 01:18:26,602
sensibly and responsibly.

2161
01:18:27,138 --> 01:18:29,730
We want to find that balances on

2162
01:18:29,730 --> 01:18:30,608
respecting the cultures that

2163
01:18:30,608 --> 01:18:32,676
make our state so special.

2164
01:18:32,676 --> 01:18:34,440
This island is unique because of

2165
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:35,813
all the cultures that are

2166
01:18:35,813 --> 01:18:37,982
brought here and we don't want

2167
01:18:37,982 --> 01:18:40,840
to ignore tradition but want to

2168
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:42,520
be respectful and find a way to

2169
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:44,452
keep our communities safe.

2170
01:18:44,455 --> 01:18:45,122
I really appreciate the

2171
01:18:45,122 --> 01:18:47,122
discussion.

2172
01:18:48,826 --> 01:18:49,827
And that being said, with the

2173
01:18:49,827 --> 01:18:51,361
discussion, I have taken into

2174
01:18:51,361 --> 01:18:53,761
consider age everybody's input

2175
01:18:54,765 --> 01:18:57,401
and chair will recommend that

2176
01:18:57,401 --> 01:18:59,470
action on this bill 22, 2024

2177
01:18:59,470 --> 01:19:01,972
will be postponed to a time and

2178
01:19:01,972 --> 01:19:04,541
date to be determining by chair.

2179
01:19:04,541 --> 01:19:06,710
And at that time, we can have

2180
01:19:06,710 --> 01:19:09,246
further insight, hoping to meet

2181
01:19:09,246 --> 01:19:10,140
with the departments and

2182
01:19:10,140 --> 01:19:12,750
administration as well as see

2183
01:19:12,750 --> 01:19:13,951
what we can do to find a happy

2184
01:19:13,951 --> 01:19:15,951
medium.

2185
01:19:17,210 --> 01:19:19,323
I'd like to find ways to do so.

2186
01:19:19,323 --> 01:19:21,323
Members, further discussion?

2187
01:19:21,659 --> 01:19:24,590
Any objections or reservations?

2188
01:19:25,896 --> 01:19:27,650
Hearing none, so ordered.

2189
01:19:27,650 --> 01:19:28,633
And at this time, this brings us

2190
01:19:28,633 --> 01:19:30,801
to the end of our agenda.

2191
01:19:30,801 --> 01:19:32,169
I want thank everyone for being

2192
01:19:32,169 --> 01:19:34,569
here and your participation.

2193
01:19:34,905 --> 01:19:36,905
>>ing there.

2194
01:19:41,679 --> 01:19:45,279
There being no further business, this

2195
01:19:46,150 --> 01:19:48,550
meeting is adjourned at 2:30.