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[3:42] Good morning, everybody. Today is December 10, 2024. We will go ahead and call our meeting to order for the regular meeting of the Lake County Board of Supervisors. We will begin our meeting with a moment of silence. And last week, it was recognized that we had a loss in the city of Clear Lake, Mr. Bill Perkins. I met Bill Perkins, and probably 2010, I believe it, maybe it was 2009, when he was running for city council. He was very interested in helping the city council.
[4:12] city, he was already a planning commissioner and was a planning commissioner for many years.
[4:17] Unfortunately, recently he passed due to something I had never heard of, Louie Body Dementia,
[4:25] which made him really struggle physically as he walked around.
[4:31] There was a good man, he was a real estate agent that served people in the area in South
[4:35] Lake, a very kind person.
[4:37] I know when I went to his house, he loved the fact that he lived right on the lake.
[4:42] was on his dock fishing and that was one of his favorite past times. His wife was a educator,
[4:48] or is an educator, sorry, was she's retired educator and so my family interacted with her quite
[4:55] often. We knew the family well, great people, big loss, and a whole in our...
[5:00] Our community in clear lake and hopefully we can do a moment of silence and hold them in our prayers.
[5:44] Thank you, everybody.
[5:53] Look into see if we have any extra items that are not appearing on the post of the gender from staff.
[5:59] We have no extra items.
[6:00] All right, anything from board members?
[6:02] All right, seeing none.
[6:04] Let's move on to the approval.
[6:06] The consent agenda, any items that supervisors wish to pull for further discussion?
[6:13] Seeing none, open it up for the public who may wish to pull an item from the consent agenda.
[6:18] Please come on up to the microphone.
[6:19] If you are in the chamber or raise your hand in Zoom, see no movement in the chamber, no
[6:27] hands in Zoom, bring it back to the board for action.
[6:32] We have to approve that consent agenda is posted in the item is 5.15.4.
[6:39] We have a motion in a second.
[6:40] I'll in favor.
[6:42] Aye.
[6:42] Aye.
[6:42] Any opposed?
[6:45] Motion carries.
[6:46] All right.
[6:47] We're going to move on to our 902 AM item, public input.
[6:49] I know we have public input from the Chamber of Commerce for Lake County.
[6:53] Please come on up.
[6:54] We'll begin with you.
[6:59] Good morning, Board.
[6:59] Happy Tuesday and happy holidays.
[7:01] That's not too much energy.
[7:04] Good morning.
[7:05] I'm Greg Foulsum.
[7:07] I'm the outgoing interim administrator for the Lake County Chamber of Commerce.
[7:11] I just wanted to come here today because I've got two announcements for you.
[7:15] First of all, we have kind of a historic moment coming up this Wednesday.
[7:21] It's not that historic, but it's kind of historic.
[7:22] We are having a joint mixer with the Clear Lake Chamber of Commerce, haven't done that
[7:27] in quite a while.
[7:28] I want to invite the board in any members of the public to come on out.
[7:31] It will be at 530 at the Riviera Hills Restaurant.
[7:37] So come on out, that's going to be a lot of fun.
[7:39] Second, really big announcement.
[7:40] I want to introduce Amanda Martin.
[7:42] She'll be taking over as the permanent executive director for the Lake County Chamber.
[7:47] We're really happy to have her.
[7:49] She is Lake County born and raised.
[7:51] She has been an executive for nonprofits here in the county.
[7:55] She's worked with a lot on nonprofits.
[7:57] She actually was on the board of the Lake County Chamber for a while.
[8:00] So we're really excited to have her on with us.
[8:04] And if I could just ask you all to have a round of applause for Amanda.
[8:11] Thank you, Board. That's all.
[8:12] Thank you. Looking forward to serving Lake County with you.
[8:16] Welcome to the chamber. Welcome to leadership team.
[8:20] And looking forward to our interactions and our partnership.
[8:23] Thank you so much.
[8:24] Congratulations.
[8:28] Any other public comments? Please comment up to the microphone. Raise your hand.
[8:34] Seeing none. Let's go ahead and move on. And our next item is pet of the week.
[8:43] And we have our animal
[8:44] control team.
[8:51] That is one happy dog. Good morning. Good morning. I'm officer real.
[9:14] My name is Francisco
[9:15] to introduce Sven here. He's a middle age guy at only six years old with tons of love to
[9:22] get. Sadly Sven has been with us in the early November and unfortunately he is at high risk
[9:28] at our shelter since it is way over capacity. Sven is a sweet boy and absolutely loves to take
[9:35] his toy with them everywhere he goes. In fact when he was brought in as a stray he was carrying
[9:41] a dirty teddy bear with them.
[9:44] Sven was found with a microchip in the Netherlands,
[9:48] so at some point in his life, he traveled far and wide.
[9:52] He's craving a family to call his own,
[9:54] and maybe even a toy full of flea teddy bears.
[9:58] We can't press enough, how, over.
[10:00] Work and pass it to the IR and we would like to see some animals go into loving homes. If you
[10:06] or someone you know has space in their heart and home to adopt, please come to our shelter
[10:12] at 49 49 help a striving lake port. Our canals are open Monday to Friday 11 to 4. And
[10:20] Saturday's 11 to 3. Thank you guys.
[10:24] Has has been been tested around children or other animals or cats or anything?
[10:29] You have to call and ask our document coordinator for that one.
[10:33] At that point, she'll let you know, and if not, then we'll test them with cats or dogs.
[10:38] Unfortunately, we don't have children, other children to test them with.
[10:43] Take it.
[10:45] Thank you, guys.
[10:46] Thank you so much. Good luck, Sven.
[10:52] Next item 6.3, new and noteworthy at the library.
[10:59] Hi, hold on one second.
[11:02] Oh, sure.
[11:02] We have our videographer raising his hand.
[11:05] I'm thinking we might have a tech issue.
[11:08] We have lost audio.
[11:10] Do you want 10 minutes?
[11:12] Let's go ahead and take a 10 minute break.
[11:15] We will reconvene.
[11:16] Let's try for 915.
[11:18] See if we can do it in 7.
[11:19] My
[12:56] dog just
[13:01] seven, almost eight, started to have you.
[13:24] Checking one two.
[14:21] Checking one two.
[14:44] You can go back up for the holidays.
[14:57] That's part of that atmosphere on that.
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[22:55] Check check. Hello, hello.
[23:05] It looks like we have resolved the technical difficulties. I'm hearing there might be some issues with accessing the Wi-Fi, but that's not having any impact there.
[23:18] So let's go ahead and continue where we left off, which was new and noteworthy from the library. And we have Christopher Veech, our librarian with us. Welcome.
[23:28] Thank you. Yeah, I'm Christopher Veech, county librarian. And thank you for giving me just a few minutes to talk about what's new and noteworthy at the library.
[23:36] This month, I wanted to highlight a book that's been at the top of the library's whole list,
[23:40] since it came out this November, The Grey Wolf by Louise Penny.
[23:44] Louise Penny is a best-selling author from Canada,
[23:48] with a long running mystery series following Inspector Armand Gamash in the small town of Three Pines.
[23:54] And The Grey Wolf is the 19th installment of the series,
[23:58] and one of the reasons people love this series is that the small town of Three Pines is a character of its own.
[24:03] It has a cozy, welcoming atmosphere, offering a comforting escape, perfectly balanced by the suspense of a gripping mystery.
[24:12] Lisa Holstein writes for Library Journal, Penny plays on Reader's Fears, as she launches a new story arc that is completed in this installment but presents a cliffhanger.
[24:22] It's a frightening novel of duality, of good versus evil, within it.
[24:35] Looks like we've altogether lost.
[24:40] He's back.
[24:42] Hello. Sorry I'm not sure what happened. I just disappeared. So I was talking about the gray wolf.
[24:51] Yes. I'm not sure where I got cut off exactly but you were mentioning the quote from the, I don't know if it was the New York Times or.
[25:00] One of the quotes for the reviews.
[25:02] Okay, from Library Journal, it's a frightening novel of duality of good versus evil with an allegorical
[25:10] tale for today's world as only Penny can write. And the gray wolf was available in print,
[25:16] large-type audiobook and ebook through the Library System, and you can request this book
[25:21] or other materials through online library catalog requesting items as completely free and items
[25:26] sent to your local branch for you to pick up. I'm also excited to introduce the Palace Project
[25:32] this week, which is an app that lets patrons access even more e-books and audiobooks from the
[25:38] library. Palace combines more of the library's digital collections into one seamless platform.
[25:44] The Palace Project app is available for free download on mobile devices and tablets through Apple,
[25:49] App Store or Google Play. All you need to do is your library card to start and you can explore
[25:54] thousands of titles, including over 3,300, always available audiobooks that are provided through
[26:00] the California State Libraries eBooks for all projects. So with those, there's no waiting,
[26:05] you can download those audiobooks right away, which is great for a road trip, or anything that you're
[26:11] doing that would benefit from an audiobook. So you can find that information about the palace project
[26:17] or our library catalog on our website at library.lakecountyc.gov or come visit your local
[26:24] library branch in Lakeport, Clear Lake, Middletown, Upper Lake, or on the Buffalo
[26:28] Hill.
[26:29] Thanks again for listening to what's new and know where they at the library.
[26:33] And Mr. Beach, I always appreciate you updating the public and the board on what's going
[26:38] on in your library system.
[26:40] I want to let you know something that myself and Jessica Pyska, Supervisor Pyska, experienced
[26:48] Greg Lucas, I believe is his name, who is the state librarian, gave a keynote speech about
[26:55] the importance of libraries, but a very dynamic speaker, an amazing speech that he gave,
[27:02] very inspiring, and I'm happy to know that you have higher levels of support, and I know
[27:08] That's why you're doing such a good job in your capacity as our library and appreciate the fact that all are working together to make this a better place.
[27:18] I'm so glad to hear that. Great Lucas is a wonderful state librarian and I'm always happy to work with them.
[27:24] Thank you so much.
[27:26] So he did talk about his tour did he come to any of our libraries?
[27:31] He came to the upper-like library.
[27:33] Excellent.
[27:34] When he first became state librarian.
[27:36] Very nice. Thank you again.
[27:41] All right. Next on our agenda. Consideration of the September 30th, 2024 report of late county pooled investments and we have Mr. Sullivan, our treasure tax collector and Carlos.
[27:57] Sorry, I only have the first name.
[28:02] Welcome.
[28:02] Thank
[28:06] you, Patrick Sullivan, Treasure Tax Collector, I'm here with Carlos Oblidas from
[28:10] Chandler Asset Management, and we're going to present
[28:13] please turn on the mic, she'd go green, so Patrick Sullivan, Treasure Tax
[28:20] Collector, I'm here with Carlos Oblidas from Chandler Asset Management, we are here
[28:25] to present the September 30th of report on investments, and at this point I would
[28:28] turn it over to Carlos for the presentation,
[28:37] so as the materials get pulled up
[28:38] supervisor, so it's a great, it's great to see you again, happy holidays, how are you
[28:42] ready?
[28:43] I'm going to keep it brief because you're probably running behind schedule.
[28:46] I think that if we have the presentation up, I think it might be best to, before we jump in,
[28:53] just start by saying that the size of your total overall investment program, just as a reminder,
[28:58] let's go back to the ABC's, the size as a September 30th was 520.4 million dollars.
[29:06] This includes everything. It includes two portfolios that are managed by
[29:10] Chandler asset management and a host of cash management investments spread out amongst
[29:17] investment pools. Money markets, money market, mutual funds, bank accounts and savings accounts.
[29:24] All of it functioning in conjunction with one another to again provide liquidity to pool participants
[29:32] when they need it to ensure that the investments are safe and, of course, to generate a competitive return.
[29:39] So the total amount is 520 million of that 520 million, 77.6 million as a September 30th is in those liquidity vehicles.
[29:49] That's not managed by Chandler, but it is managed directly by your treasury and your treasury tax collector.
[29:54] And then Chandler handles two portfolios.
[29:56] uh... what the portal that we call a core or longer-term port
[30:14] So, I want to focus on that long term core portfolio and if we turn to page 16, I want to show you what it looks like.
[30:23] A reminder when we set up the strategy for this portfolio, the main strategy was to maintain the investments between
[30:29] primarily one in three years.
[30:31] We go a little longer sometimes, a little shorter.
[30:33] But sometimes, whether we do that or not,
[30:37] the bulk of the investment stay between one in three years,
[30:40] they average somewhere around 1.7 to 1.8 years.
[30:43] That's important.
[30:44] That strategy has been done because we get a level of expectation
[30:48] for the volatility of returns.
[30:50] When we do that, and we also get a level of expectation
[30:53] for the kind of return we're going to get over the long haul.
[30:56] So that approach for those 375 million that you see up there, as of September 30th, the yield
[31:02] of maturity, or rather the income that you are expected to earn on an annualized basis
[31:07] into the future was 3.51, a little bit higher than what you saw the prior quarter, but
[31:13] I want you to look at the market yield, which is the right beneath that.
[31:17] The market yield on this portfolio is 408.
[31:19] It infers a reinvestment rate, which means that we're still picking up some very robust yield.
[31:24] So that is also down from the prior three months because interest rates in the markets have come down the Federal Reserve has lowered interest rates.
[31:33] That number, that reinvestment that it's inferred was in the tune of about 5.02.
[31:38] So you can see that we're reinvesting approximately 100 basis points, 1% lower than we were 3 months ago.
[31:45] And that's simply because of what the Fed has been up to in lowering interest rates.
[31:49] This portfolio has a very, very high credit quality, and as I stated, it averages about 1.7 years.
[31:57] If we go to the next page on page 17, the backbone of this portfolio is the diversification that we've introduced.
[32:03] We try to take advantage of every asset class that's available to us under California Government Code.
[32:09] Treasury and agency securities, these are obligations from the United States Government and its federal agencies,
[32:13] that continues to be the backbone of all of this, because those are considered the most liquid and generally the safest investments.
[32:21] But we add yield advantage sectors to the portfolio to add yield over the long run.
[32:27] And we diversify those. And that's a dynamic approach.
[32:30] So for example, through September 30th, treasuries made up about 33 about a third of the portfolio, 33 percent, almost 34 percent.
[32:38] Federal agencies made up a little bit over a quarter of the portfolio, 26 percent.
[32:42] high credit quality corporate bonds make up around 24 a little less than a quarter.
[32:49] The results of that can be seen on page number 20, over the past 12 months and it's September
[32:54] 30th, the return on this portfolio.
[32:57] So this is a combination of interest income that was earned during the last 12 months and also
[33:02] the change in fair value of the investments.
[33:04] When you combine them together we get a total return of 6.96%.
[33:08] You did really well.
[33:10] We haven't seen returns like this in 15 years, very, very good return, versus the benchmark, which we use to gauge the amount of
[33:18] of risk that we're taking on in the portfolio.
[33:21] And we also use that to measure how we're returns are doing versus the market.
[33:24] Well, the return on the benchmark was 6.74.
[33:28] So you are performed it.
[33:29] Why is that?
[33:30] Primarily because of the diversification that you had in the portfolio.
[33:33] You have asset classes in there that we're not present in the benchmark, which added to the return.
[33:38] Since we've been managing this particular portfolio that goes back to November 1st of 2021, that was like the heart of the pandemic when rates were zero, literally.
[33:50] You've been averaging 2.15 per year versus the venture of 148. Over the last two years you've been averaging, and that's per year, 2.15 per year, over the last two years you've been averaging a little bit over 5% per year.
[34:04] So you've done all right, the shorter portfolio that's the liquidity portfolio I mentioned that we manage that as an alternative to the state pool that was done on a temporary basis because there was an inversion of the yield curve
[34:17] That's a fancy term for saying that there was an anomaly in in the term structure of interest rates where you could earn more with shorter investments than you could with a longer. That's usually not the case. We did this tactically in conjunction with your with your treasure
[34:30] We moved, approximately 67, the treasurer moved or approximately 67, actually at one point
[34:37] it was closer to $75 million, into the shorter term portfolio.
[34:41] We really didn't get much longer than three to six months on average.
[34:46] That portfolio focused primarily on U.S. treasuries security, so we kept it very clean with
[34:51] the safest and most liquid investment.
[34:53] That portfolio, if we turn to page number 25, we can see the return over the last 12 months.
[34:59] .
[35:02] I think that's been running since April 1st of 2023, so a little bit longer than a year, about a year and a half, you've been averaging an annualized return of 5.4.
[35:18] All right, the key things that are driving all of this, I think it's worth saying is that the economy is slowing down.
[35:24] The reason the economy is slowing down is because we've had high interest rates, the Federal Reserve raised interest rates and we can actually see that on page number 12, the chart on the right-hand side.
[35:35] We saw the Federal Reserve raise the overnight lending rate between banks to basically make it more expensive to bank for banks to borrow from one another, which in turn, the banks make it more expensive for you to borrow from them.
[35:47] And it's more expensive to borrow money today than it was three years ago, and they do that
[35:53] to basically cut people out of the markets to, when, for example, when you're a homeowner,
[36:01] or a home buyer, I should say, you're somebody who wants to invest in a home, and you want to
[36:05] borrow money to buy that house. Well, if the mortgage rate is much higher, that might make you
[36:11] not be able to afford that mortgage payment. So you probably sit and wait and hold your money.
[36:17] And while you sit and wait and hold your money, you're not demanding that house, which hopefully brings the price down.
[36:22] And that's what they were trying to do.
[36:23] They were trying to bring overall prices down.
[36:25] That's inflation.
[36:27] There's a chart on that, which I do want to highlight.
[36:30] That can be found on page number six.
[36:34] And you can see the consumer price index in June of summer.
[36:39] June of 2022 reached a 40 year high.
[36:42] Over 9% they wanted to bring that back down.
[36:44] And that's what they've done, they've been fairly successful.
[36:47] They did that by raising interest rates.
[36:50] And now that we're at a point where inflation is lower,
[36:54] and the Federal Reserve has maintained interest rates high,
[36:57] the economy has slowed down as a result of that.
[37:00] And now they're doing the opposite.
[37:01] Now they're trying to stimulate the economy
[37:03] to make sure that they give enough stimulus
[37:06] to allow the economy to pick back up,
[37:09] but not to bottom out.
[37:11] They don't want it to bottom out and maybe go into a contraction.
[37:14] So as a result now, they've reversed.
[37:15] If we go back to that chart on page number 12 on the right-hand side,
[37:19] if you just look at the far right-hand side,
[37:21] you see the height, it's just when they raised rates.
[37:24] It looks like a hockey stick and then they stayed high for a while,
[37:27] and now you see it starting to come down.
[37:30] And that's what they've done.
[37:30] They met in September.
[37:32] They lowered that overnight lending rate between banks by half a percent,
[37:36] 50 basis points.
[37:37] They met again November 7th and lowered that rate once again by 25 basis points,
[37:42] quarter point, they will be meeting on September 17th or December 17th and 18th in about
[37:47] a week, and it is expected, though not guaranteed, that they may lower rates yet again.
[37:55] And as we enter into 2025, they are on an easing mode, meaning that they're more want to
[38:00] lower rates than to raise them, simply because they want to make sure that the economy doesn't
[38:06] bottom out. So what does it mean for you? It means that for you, your reinvestments, when
[38:13] they raise rates, hit some really high yields, which have benefited you, which have benefited
[38:18] the participants of the pool, your appointments have been the highest you've seen in many
[38:23] many years, you won't see them as high as they've been. You hit some real high highs, you
[38:29] won't see those coming into next year, although you should still see robust yields, which
[38:33] should still be a significant revenue source
[38:36] for the county and the pool participants.
[38:38] Through this time, we'll continue to navigate,
[38:41] we'll continue to coordinate with the Treasure Tax Collector,
[38:43] that component that the Treasure Tax Collector manages directly.
[38:47] That was done tactically to capture some very high yield
[38:50] in that anomaly that I talked about.
[38:52] That's been very successful for the pool.
[38:54] Very, very successful.
[38:56] The utility of that is now waning.
[38:58] And like I said, we continue to coordinate with the Treasure Tax
[39:01] to make sure that when that inflection point comes,
[39:05] that we've already shifted in a new tactic
[39:08] to be able to maintain safety liquidity and return.
[39:12] With that, I'll take any questions.
[39:14] You may have.
[39:14] You might have.
[39:15] So then we won't see as many gains,
[39:19] but we will see a leveling off.
[39:21] We're not anticipating any drops.
[39:24] Just to be clear.
[39:25] Correct. Let me take a real technical.
[39:27] So your return comes from two sources.
[39:32] It comes from the interesting come that you earn,
[39:35] a bond is alone and you're lending money out to these entities
[39:38] when you buy a treasury bond, you're lending to Uncle Sam.
[39:42] Uncle Sam pays you interest.
[39:43] So interest is part of your return.
[39:46] The promise of that return plus your return
[39:50] of your principle, because it's alone, you get your money back.
[39:53] the value of that stream of cash coming back to you. It has a something called a
[40:00] President value, and that value goes up and down in the market. So that's the other part of your return. When I think of the word gain, I think of that change in fair value. But I think what you're referring to is the net amount that we're going to end up with. It's not going to bottom out. No, that's not what we're seeing. We think it might be a little lower than what you have this year, but it's still going to be robust.
[40:19] I'm just talking about the graph that we all love. And what that will look like, maybe next year in the year after.
[40:27] I think it'll look, I think it'll look competitive.
[40:32] Any other comments or questions?
[40:35] Mr. Sullivan, did you want to add something before?
[40:39] Yeah, if you don't mind, I can run through the two remaining charts, and then we can circle back.
[40:45] So this is the quarterly earnings for the pool.
[40:48] Since we began the Comprehensive Investment Program.
[40:51] So, as you can see, we're continuing to, you know, have these gains each quarter.
[40:58] This last quarter, and there may have been error in the memo.
[41:00] It was the quarter ending September 30th, Q1, that was 5.3 million in returns.
[41:09] So, yeah, I think what we're, what we're seeing, and I think what Carlos was talking about is
[41:14] want to make it clear, is that the income at this point, as we have bonds and other instruments
[41:20] continue to mature. We're no longer picking up the huge gains in returns that we were. Each time
[41:27] there's maturity we were investing at, like you just went out the 5% level or higher. In some
[41:31] cases, our pools have dropped, our return on our money market has dropped. So at least on the
[41:38] treasury side and the more liquid side, those are starting to really level out or in some
[41:45] as decreased as our other maturedies come do.
[41:49] Some of them, those older notes that we hold
[41:51] at those lower rates, they are being reinvested at a higher rate.
[41:56] But, you know, last year they would have been reinvested at 5% now.
[41:59] They're going to be reinvested more in that for three and a half range.
[42:03] So we're basically the gains we're picking up on these notes.
[42:06] Some of them are still on the one, the two percent range, or even less.
[42:11] So it's going to go up, but it's no longer going to go up even on those in the way that
[42:15] saw in this last year. So if anything, if there's any more gains to be had, it's going to be pretty
[42:21] pretty slim. Otherwise, I mean, at least from the perspective that I'm seeing, I think by the end of
[42:27] next year, if rates don't change, we're really going to have leveled off. Okay.
[42:34] So there's this chart, and then also just for your awareness, I think it's too much to really go through here,
[42:40] but this is a historical apportionment data that your board is requested in the past.
[42:45] This also goes back to 2021, this shows the per-fun breakdown of how the investment earnings for the county from the Treasury pool were apportioned.
[42:56] So just if you look at the first one for example, general fund, so it was a 288,000 and 2021 for 2024, it's 3.4 million.
[43:04] If you go to the final page, you'll see that total breakdown of interest earned back to 21 and you can see the trends and changes there.
[43:14] And it may just be of some value for what some of the questions your board had to understand how these investment earnings impact not just the county, but also the school districts fire districts and all of our partners throughout the county.
[43:29] So if there are any questions, I'm happy to take them.
[43:34] I see no questions or comments. I appreciate you providing the level of detail.
[43:38] And hopefully now it's a simple report to run, so it's not something they have to do from scratch as you had to in the original time that you brought that to us, but seeing that change and making it very public as to all the different agencies and what they're benefiting from this.
[43:55] seeing us start from about $86, $90,000 per quarter going all the way up to $5.35.4.
[44:04] We're looking at 60 times the level of investment return that we were getting on a quarterly basis.
[44:11] That's pretty awesome.
[44:13] I don't know what other words to use other than it's really fantastic.
[44:18] I know that we also just in our consent agenda just approved no changes to the policy
[44:23] And it sounds to me based on the words that you expressed that our policy is working for us better than it may be working for others as we're looking at kind of the state average and we're looking at or what you're
[44:35] Forget what the term was that you use. I don't have a
[44:39] But basically like you're standard of what you expected for the percentage gain and we seem to be above that and part of that could be what's built into the policy because we have
[44:49] certain limitations on where we can invest and where we can't invest so I don't have questions necessarily about the policy because it seems to be working very well for us
[45:00] But is there a point in your duties where you come to us saying something's wrong with your policy?
[45:09] Others are doing 5%, you seem to be dropping down to 2%, if we changed it and were able to invest
[45:15] into these specific criteria of investments, we would do a whole lot better for you rather than
[45:22] waiting on an annual basis. Just kind of wondering what the future might look like because everything's
[45:28] changing at all times, right?
[45:30] Yes, second answer to that question.
[45:32] The policy, as you stated, is robust, and when we launched this
[45:37] investment program, there were a lot of, it was a very collaborative
[45:40] approach to make it robust, if you remember, and there was quite
[45:43] a bit of education on the investment side to understand what we were
[45:46] adding to the policy, I would tell you that the policy is robust
[45:53] because for two, for three reasons. Number one, because it expanded the asset types that you're
[46:00] allowed to purchase that are allowed by California government code. Prior policies did not do that.
[46:07] So that was one major shift which put you in this territory. You're not just earning more money
[46:13] because of that. You also earn higher money. We can't take all the credit. Interest rates are much
[46:17] higher today than they were when we started. But the policy allowed you to capture those in a
[46:23] the second reason the policies robust is because it follows code.
[46:29] It was a concerted effort to make sure that whatever parameters we put in there
[46:33] they did not violate California government code.
[46:36] Code severely restricts what you're able to do.
[46:38] The third reason your policies robust is because it includes best practices
[46:44] that we've included in there based on the different industry groups that are out there
[46:49] our 36 years of experience that we've had managing money,
[46:54] all the things that we've seen.
[46:55] They're all in there, so they're designed to kind of keep you safe
[46:58] to protect you because there's a lot that you can do that can really
[47:01] do damage to the portfolio.
[47:03] Your question was, what stage did we come back and say
[47:06] do we change the policy?
[47:07] I would say that the policy at this stage,
[47:11] the changes that would come about wouldn't necessarily
[47:14] catapult you into another new level of earnings.
[47:16] That's already been done.
[47:17] And at this stage, the changes are more if we're observing trends in best practices that shift
[47:24] that we think are good to adopt, or if there's a change in California government code.
[47:28] And indeed, we communicate pretty regularly on changes that are coming.
[47:32] We just had one for this year, Senate Bill A2 just did a reclassification of agency, federal
[47:39] agency, mortgage back securities, committed to federal agencies.
[47:42] It was a gray area of California government code, code, clarified that.
[47:46] the good news is that you are already interpreting it that way in your portfolio, no change
[47:51] needed.
[47:51] But those are the types of changes that would anticipate, none that would maybe catapult
[47:55] or change the earnings profile of what you're doing.
[47:59] And I appreciate where we've started and I don't anticipate we will ever go back to the 80
[48:02] or 90 with this level of policy.
[48:05] I think that investment is always going to be a bit of a roller coaster ride, but I don't
[48:09] anticipate to drop in the same way for more.
[48:11] we started. I'm looking forward to looking at the overall trends after years of continuing
[48:17] to follow the same policy. So thank you so much. I'll good news. Every time you show
[48:22] up, there seems to be good news. So let's try to keep that trend going.
[48:27] We'll keep working on that.
[48:28] Supervisor Green?
[48:30] Yeah. Probably my last investment pool report. And so I'm going up the board as a supervisor
[48:39] assignment and I just want to take this opportunity. Thank you. I don't think I'm any smarter
[48:45] after listening to your reports, but I feel smarter. And that's the important part, I think.
[48:50] I mean, I almost like, do you have a podcast? I want to follow you. So, I'm not going to follow
[48:55] the board meetings of verbatim after January, but I appreciate so much the granular detail you
[49:01] bring to this, but also the enthusiasm and I think you've been a great asset along with our treasure
[49:06] tax collector in shepherding us toward financial stability and growth for us and our partners,
[49:14] but that's just it.
[49:15] Thank you.
[49:16] I appreciate everything you're doing.
[49:17] Thank you so much.
[49:18] It's been a little bit of a delay to work.
[49:21] All right.
[49:21] Let's go ahead and open up for any public comments regarding this item.
[49:25] Please come up to the microphone, raise your hand, and zoom.
[49:34] Michael Wagner.
[49:36] Thank you, everybody, for being here today.
[49:38] I actually just had a question, so I could maybe understand, make sure I totally
[49:44] understand what we're looking at.
[49:46] The two portfolios that are handled by Chandler, you guys had some graphs of that from
[49:52] June to September, is that right?
[49:56] You know, we were flipping through those things so fast, I could hardly keep track of it.
[49:59] Would you...
[50:04] What was the question that you had for this? I was just trying to take a look at what the between June to September, what our changes were. Is that okay?
[50:16] And on our website, the attachments are all there if you just wanted to review, you have access to that.
[50:26] Okay, you guys had a chart that showed from June to September and it had the full amounts, you know, the starting and ending amounts.
[50:37] Try and just trying to figure out what your question is regarding those amounts.
[50:42] I was just trying to see if I'm following correctly.
[50:45] I'm not sure if I have a question.
[50:46] I just wanted to see what the beginning and June to write now or step timbers amounts were in the two portfolios.
[50:54] Okay.
[50:54] we're going through. And like I said, I just don't want you to control what staff is going
[50:59] to show on the screen when it's available to you to look at. And if you have further
[51:05] questions, because this is not a, I'm not trying to control.
[51:10] No, but you're asking to bring up something. But if you don't have a question, it's available.
[51:15] You can look at it. If you have a question, let's get the question. And so my question
[51:21] until it went off into a blitter and right there was if I could see the full amounts of what
[51:30] I'd started out to what it is now. It just looks like from June to September
[51:36] there was this substantial loss and I was wondering if he would be willing to help us understand
[51:40] what was going on in the markets that would affect that. Thank you for the question.
[51:45] So what I think what you're referring to is the total market value at the bottom where
[51:50] I think what you're referring to is the total market value at the bottom, which is the market value of the portfolio, including a crude interest, which is interest that you've earned to that point, but not yet received, it's attributed to you, but it just hasn't hit your account yet.
[52:04] That is not a loss.
[52:07] This program also, the change in value there is due to a withdrawal that we had.
[52:16] There's dynamic withdrawals that happen periodically out of this portfolio.
[52:21] So there's not only is the portfolio balance moving around because of an increase in value from investment activity,
[52:28] but there's also money being pulled out to pay for things.
[52:31] Participants sometimes it's a pool, so there's more people in the county than the county in the pool
[52:37] So they're participants, which have liquidity needs that they'll have to pull money out of that pool to make payments for their obligations
[52:44] Right now the opposite is happening
[52:47] We have a run up to to December 10th
[52:51] Which is today where people are paying their property taxes?
[52:55] So, there's a lot of money coming in, and that money may flow into any number of these places.
[53:00] Typically, it'll flow to the liquidity vehicles that I spoke about, that the Treasury manages directly.
[53:05] But some of that may get shifted to the longer portfolios.
[53:08] The intent of the portfolios is that you have money that generally isn't needed, but sometimes it is needed.
[53:15] And the county will pull money out of there.
[53:18] So, that wasn't an actual loss.
[53:19] The portfolio actually grew for that three-month period.
[53:24] The portfolio actually grew for that three-month period,
[53:28] 2.77 percent from investment activity.
[53:31] There was just a shift because people pulled money out.
[53:37] If you want to meet with Mr. Sullivan to continue the question,
[53:43] at this point we're done with the conversation.
[53:46] If you want to go back and forth, please make sure to talk with Mr. Sullivan and Carlos may be around as well.
[53:54] Any other comments or questions?
[53:59] All right, seeing none, and I'm trying to stay on time for some of our other items that we're already behind on, especially with some of the issues that we've had to deal with.
[54:07] I'll bring it back to the board. If there's nothing further, thank you very much for your time. Thank you for the good news.
[54:14] Let's, let's, let's move to accept.
[54:15] Yes.
[54:16] We have a motion and a second to approve the report, all in favor.
[54:25] Aye.
[54:26] Any opposed?
[54:27] Motion carries.
[54:28] Thank you very much.
[54:29] Thank you.
[54:30] Next item 6.5 or 915 AM.
[54:33] Item consideration of the late county fire protection district community wildfire protection plan.
[54:37] And so I'm going to ask this locksmith.
[54:41] Please come up.
[54:42] It has my name on there.
[54:43] We both received an email from Chief Cepeta,
[54:47] wanted to make sure that we had this on our agenda to review and support and adding it to the overall
[54:55] Lake County Community Wildfire Protection Plan. And so I want to...
[55:00] Introduce, Terry Logson, and Chiefs of Peta, and let you take the lead.
[55:04] Great, thank you so much. As you know, with the passage of the Healthy Forest Restoration Act in 2003,
[55:10] the U.S. Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management were given incentives to consider
[55:15] the priorities of local communities as they develop and implement forest management and hazardous
[55:21] fuel reduction projects. Projects and priorities are then outlined in local wildfire protection
[55:27] plans or CWP's.
[55:30] These are a means of bringing local solutions to wild land fire management, and in Lake County
[55:35] with about 645 square miles of government-owned land, and much of it is forested, having
[55:42] CWP's for these projects are vital, and in developing and implementing CWP's communities
[55:49] assume leadership roles in reducing wildfire risk on federal and non-federal land, but
[55:56] particularly in what is called the wooey or the Wildland Urban Interface.
[56:01] And in Lake County, that's where most populations are centered.
[56:06] The wooey designation map in the county CWP was approved by the Lake County Fire Chief's Association in April of this year.
[56:15] And so having an approved and adopted CWP allows agencies and organizations to apply for funding opportunities
[56:23] That are outlined in the CWPP, for instance, because the county has a CWPP adopted and approved,
[56:32] it allowed clerk the Clear Lake Environmental Research Center and Tara, the Tribal Eco Restoration Alliance
[56:38] through the Lake County Resource Conservation District, to receive funds to complete projects
[56:43] in the CWPP, bringing over $20 million of federal funding to Lake County, employing Lake County contractors and people.
[56:52] And so, while the county of Lake hasn't approved CWP, this doesn't preclude smaller hyper-local
[57:00] communities and smaller divisions of the county to create their own, which is more reflective
[57:05] of their own smaller community.
[57:08] This is why the Lake County Fire Protection District draft CWP is before you today for approval
[57:15] and adoption.
[57:15] In the future, other smaller divisions of the county may come before your board, for instance
[57:21] both the Conocti Firesafe Council, and the Seagler Springs Community Re-Development Association
[57:27] are also in process of creating hyperlocal CWP.
[57:31] Seagler Springs Community Re-Development Association actually received grant funding to
[57:37] create their own for the Cobb area because the county had the CWP in place.
[57:42] And so, in discussion with agencies and organizations such as the Lake County Fire Protection District,
[57:49] creating these local CWPs, they agreed to have them become new appendices in the county
[57:58] wildfire protection plan.
[58:01] And so, therefore, in addition to considering approval of the Lake County Fire Protection District
[58:06] CWP, your board is also asked to consider accepting it as an appendix to the county plan.
[58:13] Thank you.
[58:14] Chiefs of Peta?
[58:16] Hi.
[58:17] Chiefs of Peta.
[58:18] So looking at the county CWP, it was encouraged for us to have kind of our own to
[58:23] delve down into the inner working parts.
[58:25] Then since 2012, my district is endured a great deal of wildfires, property loss,
[58:32] and even a fatality related to one of those.
[58:35] So, we carved ours out and then identify specific geographical locations or based on
[58:42] life safety, evacuation, property, critical infrastructure and environmental impact.
[58:47] And then what my fire marsh lid had done is identify the scope of work, so it can give
[58:53] really anybody that is going to be doing that job specific, so what's going to be done,
[58:57] but it also gives you an end result.
[58:59] So what we hope to do is to take some of the dynamic programming out there, we want to do a couple
[59:04] a manually and see if we come up with the same results of the dynamic computer programming that
[59:09] does.
[59:09] So I appreciate your support.
[59:11] There's a lot of work to be done.
[59:12] We did have a kickoff meeting for potential fire safe counsel in the lower-like, lower-like
[59:17] area.
[59:18] Clark has already done a tremendous amount of work on projects in that CWPP before we even
[59:23] move forward with our own.
[59:25] And that's that point-like view corridor, Anderson Road, Panoramic, Sunrise Shore.
[59:30] So I appreciate the support from you folks.
[59:33] Thank you.
[59:33] Thank you very much. Any comments or questions?
[59:37] Supervisor Green?
[59:39] Yeah, it's just super quick on the recommended action.
[59:42] So this is a district CDWPP, but we're here today
[59:46] or requesting approval by this board.
[59:50] So that confused me just a little bit.
[59:53] I assume your district can approve its own plans.
[59:56] Action to make this plan an appendix of our county plan.
[1:00:00] And that may require some action, but can you just explain the authority, why this is a
[1:00:05] recommend action that includes approval by this board of the plan that this district created?
[1:00:11] Certainly, that's a great question. We actually got clarification from the United States
[1:00:15] fourth service, who is the organization with the authority to administer CWPPs that have local
[1:00:25] communities do it. And so Lake County Fire Protection District is both in the county of Lake
[1:00:30] and the city of Clear Lake. So both of those jurisdictions will have to approve the plan.
[1:00:38] And I think it allows others to have access to the CWPP to be able to help and get funding to do
[1:00:46] the work within the CWPP. And I think one of the first three items within those first three
[1:00:52] items is the working to create a fire-safe council.
[1:00:56] So, as you stated, things are already moving forward to check
[1:00:59] some of those items off, and there are some very important areas
[1:01:03] within the CWPP projects scope that we know are continuously
[1:01:09] being threatened by wildfires, absolutely within the wooey,
[1:01:13] and all sorts of things.
[1:01:15] So, this is needed so that we can be up to date and looking
[1:01:19] forward to getting us approved.
[1:01:20] And if there's nothing further, let's open it up for public comment.
[1:01:25] Anyone wish to speak on this item?
[1:01:28] Let's see, no movement in the chamber, no hands in the Zoom room, bringing it back
[1:01:31] to the board for action.
[1:01:34] We have to approve the Lake County Fire Protection District's community wildfire protection
[1:01:38] plan and authorize the charity sign.
[1:01:43] Second, we have a motion in a second.
[1:01:46] All in favor?
[1:01:47] Aye.
[1:01:47] Any opposed?
[1:01:49] Motion carries.
[1:01:50] Part B.
[1:01:51] Move to accept the Lake County Fire Protection District's
[1:01:54] community wildfire prevention plan as an appendix of the Lake County community wildfire protection plan.
[1:02:01] It's an authorized.
[1:02:02] No.
[1:02:02] Sorry.
[1:02:03] We don't need to authorize any signatures on this one.
[1:02:06] I already signed.
[1:02:06] Thank you.
[1:02:08] Second.
[1:02:09] We have a motion.
[1:02:09] And a second.
[1:02:10] All in favor.
[1:02:11] Aye.
[1:02:12] Any opposed?
[1:02:13] Motion carries.
[1:02:13] Thank you for bringing this to us.
[1:02:15] And I want to say Ms. Lxton, you're the one who put this on the agenda.
[1:02:17] Has my name on?
[1:02:18] I want to make sure and say thank you very much for helping out.
[1:02:22] Thank you.
[1:02:22] Appreciate it.
[1:02:22] Okay.
[1:02:29] We are going to move on to our 930 AM item presentation of the 2023 crop and livestock
[1:02:37] reports. And we have our ad commissioner. Commissioner Van der Waugh. Good morning.
[1:02:51] I was
[1:02:51] get excited about the crop report. And this is a good one this year.
[1:03:47] Thank you. Good morning, Chairman Savati in board.
[1:03:51] Thank you.
[1:03:52] Good morning, Chairman Savati in board.
[1:03:52] Thank you for your time this morning.
[1:03:55] I'm going to present to you the 2023 Crop and live stock report.
[1:04:00] Before I get started this morning, I would really like to
[1:04:02] think my staff who helps compile the information and gather it.
[1:04:06] Make all the phone calls and do all the survey requests and all that other
[1:04:10] as well as all the producers who contributed their information to make this report a success.
[1:04:18] So what is the purpose of this report? Why do we do this every year?
[1:04:24] This report is mandated by the California Food and Agricultural Code,
[1:04:27] so the report is used for a variety of purposes,
[1:04:31] including ranchers and growers for planning future production,
[1:04:35] suppliers for allocating resources,
[1:04:36] is financial institutions, research and education agencies, regulatory agencies, transportation
[1:04:45] agencies for fuel and other needs, estimating labor needs, and the report can also be used
[1:04:51] by excuse me, the report can also be used for animal related health and disease programs.
[1:04:58] So, the estimated gross,
[1:05:00] The production value for 2023 was approximately 140 million. So this is a 31% increase from 2022 and is also a new record for the county. So this surpasses the previous record set in 2017.
[1:05:17] So something I started last year and kind of continued with the trend this year, taking a look back at 50 years ago, what did the landscape of agriculture look like in Lake County?
[1:05:27] So you can kind of see some of our top commodities there, the acreage with the exception of cattle and calves, which is represented by the number of head.
[1:05:36] So pairs we had about 7,000 acres, wine grapes were just getting started in the county at 472 acres.
[1:05:44] We had a large walnut production at 9,000 acres, our field and seed crops.
[1:05:49] So, that would be the hay pasture other types of crops like that at 186,000 acres and close to 8,000 head of cattle.
[1:06:05] So, fast forward to 2023. You can see there's a decrease in our per acreage.
[1:06:11] Wine grapes has increased significantly. We also see a decrease in our walnuts.
[1:06:17] are field and seed crops are about halved and are cattle and calves.
[1:06:23] The number of head have also dropped significantly.
[1:06:29] And this is just like a nice little comparison chart.
[1:06:32] With 1973, represented, oh my goodness.
[1:06:38] Not 1793, 1973.
[1:06:42] Yes, correction there.
[1:06:43] I've represented in the blue and 2023 represented in the orange.
[1:06:47] So, just kind of shows the shift in how things have gone.
[1:06:54] And then 20-year gross value comparison.
[1:06:57] So, you kind of see the EBS and flows.
[1:06:59] This crops fluctuate, markets fluctuate.
[1:07:02] And again, in 2023, that's under record.
[1:07:05] The previous record was 2017, which is...
[1:07:10] What does that salmon colored?
[1:07:13] At about 120, something million.
[1:07:15] Correct. Yeah.
[1:07:20] This is another chart, gross values of our different commodities.
[1:07:23] you can kind of see the shift from 2023 and blue and compare to 2022 and orange.
[1:07:31] So you can see the increases in livestock and poultry as well as fruit and nuts.
[1:07:45] So our top five commodities for 2023. So our wine grapes remain number one. I'm not sure
[1:07:52] how many number of years in a row, but pretty consistent.
[1:07:56] Pairs at number two, cattle and calves.
[1:08:00] This shifted from last year from being number four,
[1:08:02] to number three, and yeah, number three, and 2023.
[1:08:08] Field and seed crops move down to number four
[1:08:10] in our miscellaneous livestock remains at number five.
[1:08:19] So cannabis production, this is the second year
[1:08:21] that the cannabis is included in the crop report.
[1:08:26] So I just have, I think 2022 is reported in square footage and then there was a request to convert that into acres, so that's what we did.
[1:08:34] So I do not have values associated with this. We just did not get enough survey responses to represent the industry as a whole, so we will continue to reach out to producers to see if we can get that information to hopefully someday include the values in the crop report.
[1:08:53] Is there any questions?
[1:08:55] Supervisor Pyska.
[1:08:59] So when I apologize I did not ask this of you this week but we did have a conversation six months or less winter about it.
[1:09:07] In the past I was at 2018 that or 2019 there was a comprehensive economic.
[1:09:15] 17 there was, 17, okay, on agriculture for our county and we had to have that conversation
[1:09:24] that maybe we should update that and take a new look at that and so much has changed.
[1:09:30] So I don't know how the rest of the board feels about that or even how much work is involved
[1:09:34] with that but that is something that I would like to see again updated so that we can have
[1:09:39] that for our awareness.
[1:09:40] Sure, that's actually something I would like to see if they did also.
[1:09:45] Yes.
[1:09:47] And then we also know that wine grape acreage is decreasing and it's already begun here.
[1:09:55] It's starting, it's statewide.
[1:09:57] We do know that there's reductions here.
[1:10:00] This year, and probably likely more coming to, and it's just the realities of the industry.
[1:10:07] So I don't know if you have anything to add about that either.
[1:10:10] Not much. I do know we have some vineyards here who are removing acreage, so that will be reflected.
[1:10:16] So I think that some of them have already started pulling acres. So we're still in 2024 right now, so that will be reflected in the 24 crop report.
[1:10:23] So, I think the values and the trends are going to look a little bit different for 24.
[1:10:31] Okay, thanks.
[1:10:32] And I would expect that report would be most likely January of 26 or December of 25,
[1:10:39] something like that.
[1:10:41] For the 2024?
[1:10:43] Yeah.
[1:10:43] Like a year from now basically.
[1:10:45] Yeah.
[1:10:47] I mean, the goal of the goal is to get it out sooner.
[1:10:50] Some of it, it's like we're waiting for industry reports to come out and those usually come out in June.
[1:10:53] So, yeah, you could expect it late summer, early fall, maybe December next year.
[1:11:01] I just remember when I started that I think it was in a January that we received the report.
[1:11:06] As long as the report keeps coming, we keep getting updated to know how it is doing.
[1:11:11] That's what's important here.
[1:11:15] Quick question.
[1:11:15] It's obvious to me that the cannabis numbers that you're getting are from use permits.
[1:11:23] Do we know that they're active or is it just what's currently approved?
[1:11:28] So, those are, so the cannabis figures, that's not, so there's like two different sets of data, right?
[1:11:34] The CDD has the permitted approved acres and then the tax collectors office has the acreage of what was actually grown.
[1:11:43] So that was from the tax collectors office of what was actually grown.
[1:11:47] Okay, and so that's a very specific thing.
[1:11:50] The numbers that you're getting for everything else, is it based on agricultural employee ideas?
[1:12:00] It based on, like how do you get those numbers?
[1:12:03] How do you know that you're encompassing everybody that's doing agricultural work?
[1:12:08] What's the criteria that needs to be met in order for those numbers to count?
[1:12:12] So, even for the cannabis, you have pesticide ID, you have other type of ID, like how do you identify
[1:12:21] all the variations of agriculture that's happening here? Sure. Sure. So some of it, there's industry reports.
[1:12:28] So like timber, there's like a report that's issued by the state, you know, packing facilities, processing sheds, they have information on how much was produced for the county.
[1:12:37] So we use that information we also reach out to some of our smaller producers, our livestock producers,
[1:12:46] individually making phone calls, sending out surveys, 100% data return is not always going to happen.
[1:12:55] So we do the best that we can with the information that we have.
[1:13:00] So we always encourage people to, you know, please provide your numbers when the information
[1:13:07] they provide to us is confidential.
[1:13:11] So and as you can see with the report, there's nothing in the report that identifies any
[1:13:14] single producer, so it's just a comprehensive data set.
[1:13:20] And I know that you're involved with our food policy council group and just looking at our vegetable
[1:13:27] crops going down to, I think it's at three acres in 2023. If I'm correct, granted that doesn't
[1:13:34] include things like melons or other types of crops that fall under miscellaneous. So there's a
[1:13:43] real number to figure out somewhere in there, but there's still a reduction and while I value the
[1:13:49] idea of agriculture and the variety of things that can happen within agriculture and it doesn't
[1:13:55] seem historically that we've had food production at a great amount other than well nuts or
[1:14:01] pairs or the staple crops that we have here, but it definitely gives me motivation to keep
[1:14:07] working.
[1:14:07] And I know that we are planning to get our strategic plan completed very soon and bring that
[1:14:13] back to the Board of Supervisors to let the Board know what is the plan with the Food Policy
[1:14:17] Council.
[1:14:18] And I appreciate your participation in that, but seeing those numbers, there's so many
[1:14:22] positive, and then I get to that one and I'm like,
[1:14:25] or down to three, yeah, we'll work on that.
[1:14:28] So thank you very much.
[1:14:29] Any other comments or questions?
[1:14:32] Let's open it up for a public comment.
[1:14:33] Anyone wish to speak on the crop report?
[1:14:37] Comment up to the microphone.
[1:14:39] Raise your hand in the Zoom room.
[1:14:41] Hello, Helen Owen.
[1:14:43] I'm curious, you have cattle and calves,
[1:14:45] but I didn't notice any other livestock or poultry.
[1:14:48] So is there statistics on that?
[1:14:50] and then we have a robust sheep industry here in the county and goats so just other
[1:14:57] livestock.
[1:14:58] So we do under the livestock.
[1:15:00] Reduction category of the crop report. We have what's called miscellaneous livestock. So that encompasses sheep, goats, hogs. Because there's kind of a limited number of producers to separate those out into their own categories would kind of identify those producers. So it isn't their impultries in their under livestock and poultry products.
[1:15:19] Okay. Yes. Thank you.
[1:15:22] Thank you. Anyone else wish to speak on this item? Seeing none, bringing it back to the board.
[1:15:32] And no further comments or questions, I'm opening up because I don't believe there's any actions required.
[1:15:40] But I do not look at the recommended action.
[1:15:43] Yeah, just a presentation.
[1:15:45] All right. Thank you very much.
[1:15:47] Always look forward to this.
[1:15:48] How you doing? Yeah.
[1:15:59] Thank you, Katherine.
[1:16:01] Thank you.
[1:16:12] That's historical.
[1:16:16] All the way, more hot. I'm going to pull it free back then.
[1:16:31] That might be the solution.
[1:16:46] But the screen's not being shared, so we're good.
[1:16:51] All right, next on our agenda, 6.7 or 9.50 AM, consideration and discussion of the resolution
[1:16:58] of formation declaring the formation of the Lake County Hospital Improvement District, and
[1:17:03] we have Mr. Ben Ricklman.
[1:18:02] Is it green? Good morning, board. Good morning, board. Ben Rickleman, Deputy County Administrative Officer. I'm here once again since you go test test test. Okay, it's good enough.
[1:18:21] I'm here with Lake County Hospital Improvement District, so this is a four-step process and thankfully we are at the last step with a business-based assessment district with state law.
[1:18:35] You have to have a resolution of attention, public meeting, public hearing, and then the resolution of formation.
[1:18:41] Then
[1:18:46] I will say after this process, if it's approved by the board, it will be brought to the California Department of Health, and they will look through it, and then it will need also federal approval with the Center of Medicare and Medicaid Services.
[1:19:02] So
[1:19:07] I included this slide at the public hearing.
[1:19:10] There is a request with annual report that will be provided to the board to show with
[1:19:21] Sutter Lakeside and event is clear lake how the rates for both for care will work versus
[1:19:35] the systems as a whole.
[1:19:36] So we have, this will be one of the reporting metrics, and you'll have this comparative analysis showing if there's any impact with this.
[1:19:54] And then also at the board request, we did include a slide for the annual report that...
[1:20:00] So, just show service volume. So, this will have both inpatient and outpatient for the two hospitals.
[1:20:14] Those were the only edits since the last meeting.
[1:20:18] So we did incorporate with the Treasurer Tax Collector taking the 1% assessment fee for management of the funds and everything else has been left the same.
[1:20:39] Anything further?
[1:20:40] I want to invite the hospitals to potentially come up and make a comment before we bring it back to the board.
[1:20:49] You don't have to if you don't want to.
[1:20:51] Okay. Any comments or questions from board members?
[1:20:56] Supervisor Green.
[1:20:57] Just my vote today will be consistent with prior village on this issue.
[1:21:01] And it's no disrespect to those involved.
[1:21:02] And thank you Mr. Recommend for your hard work on this.
[1:21:08] A quick question doesn't change the outcome just curious.
[1:21:12] So we're looking at potentially if I remember correctly 16 million,
[1:21:17] which the one percent I'm guessing would be around the 160.
[1:21:19] and 60, and that's per year, correct?
[1:21:26] Correct, so, what where does that money go
[1:21:30] if it doesn't get spent in dealing with the collection
[1:21:38] and disbursements to the hospitals?
[1:21:41] Does that go into general fund?
[1:21:43] Does that go into any specific category?
[1:21:47] Does that go back to the hospitals?
[1:21:48] just kind of curious and what also happens if we find out that we're actually
[1:21:53] expanding more than that one percent. Do we have the ability to amend within the
[1:21:58] five years that this has been created? I was just curious about that because I didn't
[1:22:02] have any details. So we could amend the management plan that we just have to come back to
[1:22:08] the board so that could be adjusted that way. I would want to confer with Patrick. So this is
[1:22:16] separate pot of money, so I don't think there's like an easy way to transfer to the general
[1:22:21] fund of their surplus, kind of how the TID operates. So usually assessment districts are
[1:22:30] fired wall as their own kind of financial kingdom, but I will check with Patrick kind of what
[1:22:37] the processes would be the one person's more than enough, or if we would need more. I'm
[1:22:45] doubtful. I'm extremely doubtful that it would be insufficient, I mean too. Since it's only two entities
[1:22:54] it should actually be significantly more a less of a burden to administrate than the TID.
[1:23:01] I mean you only have two entities and they're willing participants. So you're not tracking down
[1:23:06] money or going through enforcement.
[1:23:11] It'd be nice to I guess review that after a full year's worth
[1:23:15] of practice to see where it is and what does eventually happen to those dollars at the end.
[1:23:22] But that was my only curiosity.
[1:23:23] I really appreciate the update on the reporting.
[1:23:25] I think it fits exactly what was requested by the board and ready to move forward.
[1:23:30] I guess my last question is, I've been following what's been happening at the city of
[1:23:33] clearly because there's the other jurisdiction that needs to also approve this.
[1:23:37] Did they approve all the way through step four or do they still have one step left to do?
[1:23:41] So, all the city of Clare Lake had to do was pass a resolution of consent, which was an attachment.
[1:23:50] So, they did pass that back in September, and then so for a business-based assessment district,
[1:23:56] since hospitals and Clare Lake, they have to do that.
[1:23:59] So, we, it's acknowledged in the resolution that the city passed it, and that was the only action they needed to take.
[1:24:07] It's a different process than what we're following.
[1:24:09] Correct.
[1:24:09] Thank you very much.
[1:24:10] Let's go ahead and open it up for public comments regarding this item, anyone wish to speak on this item.
[1:24:17] I went up to the microphone or raise your hand and zoom and seeing none of the above,
[1:24:23] I'll bring it back to the board for action.
[1:24:25] A lot for the resolution.
[1:24:26] Resolution has been offered.
[1:24:30] Supervisor Simon.
[1:24:32] Supervisor Crandell.
[1:24:34] Supervisor Green.
[1:24:35] Supervisor Piscos.
[1:24:36] Yes.
[1:24:37] Supervisor Svott here.
[1:24:38] Hi.
[1:24:40] Thank you very much.
[1:24:42] I also will say a first in the state of California I believe. Yes. So let's see how this works out for the benefit of the community. Thank you so much.
[1:24:52] Thank you.
[1:24:57] Let's go ahead and move on to our 6.8.
[1:25:00] Item 10am, presentation, regarding the housing action and implementation plan, H-A-I-P, and with us we have Ms.
[1:25:10] Lisa Judd.
[1:25:19] Good morning.
[1:25:25] Good morning, Board. Lisa Judd, Deputy County Administrative Officer Housing.
[1:25:30] The County Office of Administration is very pleased to be here to give you a presentation from
[1:25:35] place works regarding our ongoing work for the Housing Action and Implementation Plan
[1:25:40] HATE.
[1:25:43] Place works presentation will discuss sections of the HATE including current conditions, engagement
[1:25:48] and outreach site selection and additionally they will preview that a GIS tool that will enhance
[1:25:55] the accessibility of the plan and an update schedule for the HATE completion.
[1:26:00] And I also wanted to mention that this has been a collaborative effort with community development
[1:26:06] specifically director Turner and Deputy Lockersmith in addition to the vision 2050 team.
[1:26:14] This will be a foundational element for our housing element, I think that was written on it.
[1:26:20] And with that, I will pass this over to Amy and Nicole from place works.
[1:26:31] Good morning.
[1:26:32] Can everybody hear me?
[1:26:37] Yes, we can hear you.
[1:26:38] Okay, great.
[1:26:39] Let me see if we can get this to share.
[1:26:44] There we go.
[1:26:46] My name is Amy Sinsheimer.
[1:26:47] As Lisa said, with police work,
[1:26:49] I also have with me here today in Nicole West.
[1:26:52] We've been happy to be working with the community and the staff since earlier this year.
[1:26:59] And happy to provide enough for you today.
[1:27:03] So just to give an overview on the project,
[1:27:05] the Housing Action and Implementation Plan
[1:27:09] is to augment, you know, the state required efforts that are part of your housing
[1:27:16] element update and really take a look at the local need in the county as well
[1:27:23] as in clear lake and lake port. So it is related to the general plan update process
[1:27:29] that's underway, which the board has been involved with and probably many of you who are here
[1:27:35] today, but is not a part of that plan. It will be moving forward on a faster schedule. So we are
[1:27:45] kind of right in the end of the middle section of the work here. You can see that we have worked
[1:27:51] to gather a lot of community input. Mostly during the summer months, this last year, we also have
[1:27:59] put together a current conditions report,
[1:28:04] looking at demographics and other factors that affect housing
[1:28:09] in the county, we will get into that a little bit more
[1:28:12] in some additional slides.
[1:28:14] We've also been starting to work on sites analysis,
[1:28:19] as well as analysis of what are the needs, the gaps,
[1:28:25] and what kind of strategies and goals can be implemented
[1:28:27] moving forward.
[1:28:28] We do not have a draft yet of the goals, strategies, actions, and resources part of the
[1:28:36] heap as we call it, the plan, and so that will be coming in winter 2025 for the public review
[1:28:45] is our estimate right now.
[1:28:49] So I think that's it for this first slide.
[1:28:53] Moving on to, as I mentioned, the current conditions of summary report.
[1:28:57] This will be an appendix to the draft ape plan.
[1:29:02] It doesn't include quite a bit of demographic information,
[1:29:07] population, economics, housing.
[1:29:11] In particular, there are certain populations that tend to have greater housing needs
[1:29:16] and those that do in Lake County and the cities that we've highlighted.
[1:29:21] I wanted to mention veterans are a group that has been highlighted and there are some assistance programs available including federal vouchers or housing in the county but there could be more so that this one thing the strategies are looking at we also have quite a bit of information about seniors in this part of the report.
[1:29:47] There are, you know, developments specifically, there are age-and-stricted for seniors,
[1:29:54] and there are about, excuse me, there are 14, but we have listed in Table 1.
[1:30:00] 22 of this part of the report and they have capacity for over 450 residents. There's at least one additional project that's coming online right now.
[1:30:11] So that is unique in the county as well.
[1:30:16] We have a section of this appendix about regulations related to housing, both in terms of the local zoning at the county and city level, but also state law, as well as
[1:30:29] How does all of this work together to either facilitate or not facilitate housing?
[1:30:38] This existing conditions information sets out the regulatory framework
[1:30:42] and then the next steps in the plan will kind of take a look at
[1:30:47] other changes that are needed or things that can be done to incentivize housing.
[1:30:54] It's been into a little bit more of the detail in that in a minute, but we also have a section that talks about fair housing.
[1:31:02] There is quite a bit of state and federal law addressing fair housing and when the county and the cities update their housing elements in a few years.
[1:31:12] That is a new focus for the state, so taking a look at some of the data where you're county.
[1:31:20] We also have information about local and regional resources,
[1:31:25] for housing services, housing facilities,
[1:31:29] what's the seat of infrastructure,
[1:31:31] and also some information about where folks can go
[1:31:36] to get housed during a disaster and other disaster-related services
[1:31:41] and issues.
[1:31:47] So we wanted to talk a little bit more about some of the more recent changes
[1:31:50] in state law related to housing that either are already impacting the late county area or
[1:31:58] could potentially be something that makes a difference. So Assembly Bill 2162 went into effect
[1:32:06] a few years back. It basically says that all jurisdictions across the state need to allow for
[1:32:13] permanent support of housing, which basically housing that's affordable and also provides
[1:32:19] supportive services. There are many different types of permanent supportive housing, so it can be for different groups of folks that they must be allowed, you know, without discretionary review and multi family residential or mixed use areas. So that's a change from historically that was something that was left up to the local governments.
[1:32:43] And part of that law also says that when applications for this kind of project come in, they must be reviewed in a timely fashion.
[1:32:51] That's the short version of what the second bullet says there.
[1:32:54] So this, I think, is already something that's happening in some places in the county and maybe as a result of this law.
[1:33:05] Accessory douling units and junior accessory douling units have really become allowed much more broadly across the state of California since about 2018.
[1:33:18] But the lot change is almost every year on this topic, so that in general it has just become more permissive if you want to build a gradient or accessory douling unit either in your yard or inside your existing home.
[1:33:32] That is generally allowed if you follow certain development standards or criteria in the law and just a little more on that, just some examples of the things that the state law talks about.
[1:33:50] So, a lot size, height, setbacks from, you know, the street, and other buildings,
[1:33:58] properties, a number of bedrooms, parking, the size of these accessory-dwelling units,
[1:34:04] and whether or not fees can be charged. So, in general, all of these things are set in state law
[1:34:11] and the local jurisdictions by with them.
[1:34:17] And then finally, in terms of environmental review of
[1:34:20] So generally under the California Environmental Quality Act, there are certain residential projects that, you know, I have to go through as much review, which makes it more of a sure thing or somebody proposing that project.
[1:34:37] They have to meet certain standards, help us safety, consistency with the general plan, things like that.
[1:34:45] But once that happens, there are certain categories of exemptions as what it's called to actually allow for a very minimal review and not really any public review of certain...
[1:35:00] And there's a list here of some of those exemptions that may already be used in Lake County or could be potentially suited for this area. So these this type of option has been increasing under state law over the years. So trying to streamline certain types of housing development.
[1:35:26] And with that, I am going to turn it over to Nicole. Thank you.
[1:35:30] Thank you, Amy. Hi everyone. Thank you for inviting me to share these updates with you.
[1:35:36] As Amy mentioned, it's been a pleasure working with Lisa and the rest of the staff and the community on this effort.
[1:35:45] Next slide, please. I'll talk first about the outreach activities that we've been doing.
[1:35:52] The outreach for the hate has been thorough and we received a lot of feedback from a wide range of perspectives.
[1:35:59] We benefited greatly from the parallel timing of Lake County 2050, the General Plan update.
[1:36:05] We were able to collect input on housing from a combined community survey.
[1:36:11] Two community open houses, meetings with the General Plan Advisory Committee, the local area plan advisory committees,
[1:36:17] an environmental justice focus group and meetings with Spanish speaking residents and several
[1:36:23] Native American tribes specifically for the hate we also engaged with local stakeholders
[1:36:29] and housing specialists, including the continuum of care and professionals working in
[1:36:34] land development, real estate and economic development. And we also receive valuable information
[1:36:40] from the nonprofit NCO and from the Lake County Department of Social Services. Next slide please
[1:36:49] We've prepared a detailed summary document that will be in appendix to the hate where you can read more about all these findings and all of the outreach activities and these findings inform the goals and strategies for the hate as well.
[1:37:06] They include fire safety and insurance as the biggest most broadly frequently mentioned housing related concerns through all the different outreach activities.
[1:37:16] and there's also broad support for a variety of housing and ensuring that there's types of
[1:37:23] housing that are affordable to all of the different economic levels. Also outreach participants
[1:37:29] showed a lot of support for things that the county can do and the two cities to amend
[1:37:35] their zoning regulations to be more flexible and speed up residential construction. Next slide please.
[1:37:44] There's also a lot of support for infill development and limiting new development in certain areas and that finding informs the plan as well as the site analysis.
[1:37:57] Also the community considers maintaining and rehabilitating homes and neighborhoods as a really high priority and generally vacation homes in short term rentals are considered beneficial.
[1:38:08] next slide please.
[1:38:12] So that summary document that I mentioned has these major themes that
[1:38:17] really bubble to the surface with all of the robust outreach activities that we did. It's
[1:38:23] a lot about the concerns and opportunities. What is needed? Who needs housing? Where should it go?
[1:38:30] How should it be done? So you can look forward to seeing that as an appendix soon. I'll go ahead and
[1:38:37] move on to the site analysis now and you can go yes thank you. So the purpose of the site
[1:38:44] analysis is to identify sites for a variety of types of housing and this includes suitable
[1:38:51] sites which means generally that housing is already allowed and they're either vacant or
[1:38:57] they're good sites for redevelopment. We're also looking to identify priority sites which means
[1:39:03] they are suitable plus there's other conditions either of the site itself or the surrounding area
[1:39:09] that make it favorable for housing and really a particular priority for a variety of reasons.
[1:39:16] And then we're also looking for sites to consider for rezoning. And that could be to add housing
[1:39:21] as an allowed use where it's not allowed right now or to densify where housing is already allowed.
[1:39:28] And these are being identified in coordination with the potential land use changes that are
[1:39:33] discussed as a part of the general plan update. Next slide please.
[1:39:40] So I have two slides about
[1:39:41] the considerations that we think of when we're looking at the sites. We look at the housing
[1:39:48] element inventory from the last cycle and see which sites are still available. And then we also look
[1:39:54] ahead to the next cycle, which is coming up here just in a couple of years. We're really planning
[1:40:00] To as Lisa mentioned, set you up for success for that. And so we think of what HCD, the housing and community development department, we think of what they're going to be looking for when they do their review and certification.
[1:40:13] So we apply their criteria. For example, sites that are suitable for meeting the lower income housing needs can only be counted where at least 15 units per acre is allowed.
[1:40:23] And then they also have pretty strict definitions of vacant and underutilized and so I'll talk about that in just a minute.
[1:40:31] And then there's also some fair housing considerations that we keep in mind that we know each CD is going to prioritize.
[1:40:39] Also, we've been looking at tax credit financing applications and the additional points that you can get for citing your site being adjacent to transit parks and other amenities.
[1:40:52] So we're keeping that in mind as well, and then we're coordinating more with the general
[1:40:56] plant team, in particular, the team working on the safety element to make sure that we're
[1:41:00] considering flooding landslides, evacuation constraints, and fire hazards, and then also
[1:41:07] water, of course, and wastewater is a big consideration as well. Next slide, please.
[1:41:15] Okay, so as I mentioned, HDD is pretty strict about what they will consider as a vacant site.
[1:41:20] There can't be any structures, even structures on not permanent foundations, no improvements or existing uses.
[1:41:27] However, that doesn't mean that a site is not good for redevelopment, and so we would consider an underutilized site to be one where it's not vacant, but it actually is a really good candidate for redevelopment.
[1:41:40] And that could be either of the entire site or maybe there's an existing use that's going to stay on a portion and there's room on that site for additional development.
[1:41:49] So some of the examples here are listed on the screen for what would be a type of site like this where if you might have say you have a big anchor store and they know that they're going to be moving to another location in the next year and those uses are going to be discontinued.
[1:42:05] start thinking about what's going to happen with that site.
[1:42:08] And then also places where we have abandoned vacant buildings
[1:42:12] or are deteriorated in older structures
[1:42:15] or where you have a high opportunity area
[1:42:17] with other kind of neighborhood amenities nearby
[1:42:20] that really make it a good candidate
[1:42:22] for adding potentially a mixed use development there.
[1:42:27] Next slide, please.
[1:42:29] Okay, yeah.
[1:42:30] So Lisa mentioned this interactive web map,
[1:42:32] which is a really fun and exciting way
[1:42:35] being able to show the results of the analysis that we're working on is not yet available to the
[1:42:41] public, but it will be once we get it all buttoned up. So I have just a few slides here that
[1:42:47] shows some of the features in the top left. You can see that there is a place where you can show
[1:42:53] different items from the legend, and then you can also look at different layers. And then you can
[1:43:00] filter for different things that we will be that we're in the process of adding through our analysis.
[1:43:07] For example, how I mentioned the suitable sites, priority sites, potential resones,
[1:43:12] vacant underutilized. These are the different filters that we would use.
[1:43:17] And actually Amy, you could advance a couple slides. I have those shown.
[1:43:22] Yep, that's one in the middle. And then one more slide is the one in the right.
[1:43:25] So let's, yep, and then we can stay there for a second.
[1:43:29] There's a couple of ways to find parcels on the map.
[1:43:31] You can zoom in manually or you can enter addresses or APMs
[1:43:36] into the search bar and then you can zoom to the site that way.
[1:43:40] Next slide, please.
[1:43:42] And then once you get to the site, that's what you see.
[1:43:44] They're pops up with all this information.
[1:43:46] And we've been enriching the data with all this different information.
[1:43:49] And so when it is available, you'll be able to see all that next slide, please.
[1:43:56] And then another way, instead of just searching for one individual site, another way to use this tool is to use the map filters to, for example, look at all the sites that are vacant or all the ones that are priority.
[1:44:09] And then you can further refine that through a tool that we added on the right that you can where you can select the different jurisdictions in filter for that as well.
[1:44:19] So that's my last slide, and we are happy to take comments and questions from you.
[1:44:25] Thank you very much for your presentation and your work.
[1:44:29] Supervisor Pyska.
[1:44:31] Very comprehensive.
[1:44:33] There's a lot going into this and it was so needed so thank you all for that.
[1:44:38] One of the things that we've come up a lot in my work for a disaster recovery is what happens
[1:44:45] after we have a disaster where housing is lost and then we know that checker boarding
[1:44:51] happens when development begins again and you have lots that are developed and lots that aren't
[1:44:58] developed and we're seeing that in all the footprint.
[1:45:00] All the fires that we've had. And so when we think of fire as our big disaster and we have checkerboardering, checkerboarding, happening, then we have increased risk in those new communities.
[1:45:15] And I don't know, Chief Duncan's here, he sees it every day. We know this is something that's going to come, you know, with the footprint of the boils fire after clear lake.
[1:45:24] So one strategy that's been talked about in some of the national groups I'm working with is developing a land trust that comes in and buys up those lots because we've got people that are never coming back yet.
[1:45:42] They are hanging on to their property here and they don't really understand the peril that they're putting their neighbors in potential peril.
[1:45:47] So, a way to do this is buy up these properties through a land trust, manage them, manage the vegetation,
[1:45:57] and then potentially sell them to developers or builders.
[1:46:03] This is happening in Maui right now where they're really trying to protect the local community
[1:46:08] and the people that live there so that they're the native people aren't displaced.
[1:46:12] So it's applied in different ways throughout the country.
[1:46:14] So I wanted to bring this up. It's something that we at Lisa and I've talked about it. I also think director Turner may have been in on that call.
[1:46:23] I don't know how it looks in our county, but I do know that we have our new county and foundation.
[1:46:30] We have this. Hey, and we have some plans. So I would like this also to be something that we consider and I hope the rest of the board has consensus for that.
[1:46:43] Thank you for your comment.
[1:46:45] Supervisor Green.
[1:46:49] Question and then a question slash comment.
[1:46:51] The first one was for the slide deck.
[1:46:53] The first presenter put on.
[1:46:55] I don't have the name where I can read it.
[1:46:58] But there was a reference to Lakeport Dam on one of those slides.
[1:47:03] Perk my ears up.
[1:47:05] Since we don't actually have a Lakeport Dam.
[1:47:07] So can you pull that slide up or explain the context of that reference?
[1:47:12] Yes.
[1:47:13] So we do have some information about.
[1:47:16] The dam in our report, I can pull up the report and see what it specifically says there.
[1:47:25] One second.
[1:47:33] Yeah, so we do have some information that says that Lake Port Dam is in our thin dam.
[1:47:40] And portions of the city are downstream from it. Is that not correct?
[1:47:45] I would say not at this point.
[1:47:49] 50 years ago there was planning for Lake Port Dam
[1:47:51] and it was also planning for Pomodam down in Big Valley.
[1:47:55] But neither of those projects came to fruition.
[1:47:58] And I was a little curious, even if there was a dam there,
[1:48:00] I didn't know the context in the housing analysis.
[1:48:05] So anyway, I just wanted to highlight that.
[1:48:06] That may be something you and double check on and update that.
[1:48:10] My second question has to do with short-term rentals
[1:48:13] and the findings of general beneficial stuff.
[1:48:18] That seems counterintuitive to me because when I think about housing availability,
[1:48:24] we have perfectly good residential homes that are basically precluded from housing people,
[1:48:30] permanently on a new round basis because they're being made available for short-term rentals,
[1:48:35] or as second homes for vacationers or stuff like that.
[1:48:38] So I'm wondering how deep a dive, this particular
[1:48:41] hate is going to go into short-term rentals,
[1:48:46] because maybe there's general agreement in the people
[1:48:48] you've been talking to about their beneficial status,
[1:48:51] but when it comes up to here at the policy level,
[1:48:54] I don't know that I'm instantly convinced
[1:48:56] that it is beneficial.
[1:48:58] I think the equal argument could be that they're detrimental
[1:49:00] to housing availability and like County.
[1:49:04] So can you just speak a little bit about how deep you went
[1:49:07] the STRs and how deep you're going to go as we move forward on this hate, you know, if
[1:49:12] it's more of a general plan issue, we can talk about it at that level, but this seems to
[1:49:17] be where the money meets the, I don't know, I even know what I'm saying, but can you discuss
[1:49:22] STRs and your findings on that? Sure, I'd be happy to thank you for that question, and
[1:49:28] I think in the interest of brevity, we just gave you kind of the headline, but the outreach summary
[1:49:35] has a lot more detail on that and you're absolutely correct that there are community concerns
[1:49:39] about vacation homes and short-term rentals replacing long-term residence. The community survey
[1:49:47] had a lot of questions about this and about concerns and benefits and then also about what kind of
[1:50:00] Lots of different ideas there, and results from the community survey. Also, this community survey was organized around the local areas, and so the results that are reported in the summary show which local areas have more concerns than other areas, and also which areas believe that there's more benefits versus concerns.
[1:50:23] Thanks.
[1:50:25] Thank you.
[1:50:29] Vice Chair Crandell?
[1:50:30] Yes.
[1:50:31] So, thank you for this.
[1:50:33] I'm glad to see that, you know, I mentioned in the legislation text that the priorities
[1:50:42] are in place because we need more housing at all income levels.
[1:50:47] I bring that up because I would like to see what we can also find or put ahead of this
[1:50:55] stream, I guess you will, that's the best way I can say it is the issues that I have with
[1:51:02] a couple of developers, so when those developers come or these folks that are going to
[1:51:06] build implement this and they at times are building for senior citizens or people with low income
[1:51:17] You know, needs, and so these folks sometimes use this capital improvement mindset to impose on to these ranchers that are on fixed incomes.
[1:51:27] And I understand at this state level there's not a lot we can do, but if there's something we can do to prevent that and ensure that some of these folks aren't basically moved out of their homes because of this.
[1:51:39] If there's something we can do I like to see what that is.
[1:51:41] I have three of them in my district.
[1:51:44] They are also tied to things that have happened
[1:51:46] and willets in a couple other places.
[1:51:49] And so I just want to make sure that we keep that in mind.
[1:51:55] Thank you.
[1:51:56] Thank you.
[1:51:58] So there was a request at least for potential consensus
[1:52:03] from a supervisor, Piska, to maybe continue looking
[1:52:06] into the opportunities.
[1:52:07] And I see the checkerboard already in existence
[1:52:11] in some of our old developments that have not sustained fire or anything like that as well.
[1:52:21] Because lots were sold a long time ago in certain families, certain owners just decided
[1:52:25] not to do development.
[1:52:27] So as you go through the avenues for example in the city of Clear Lake you'll start seeing
[1:52:30] some of those checkerboard lots where absolutely it's where you see the vegetation just
[1:52:36] a little bit more out of control and most of the time you'll have neighbors that take care
[1:52:41] that rather than the actual responsible owner
[1:52:43] of themselves, if they even take care of it at all.
[1:52:47] And so I think that looking for ways to better secure
[1:52:53] our communities, I think, is I'm open to that.
[1:52:56] I'm not sure if that's the solution,
[1:52:58] but if I don't have that discussion and open up
[1:53:01] for this conversation, then maybe I'm saying,
[1:53:04] notice something that might actually work.
[1:53:06] So I'm open for the idea to come back to the board
[1:53:09] see what's possible.
[1:53:12] And I think that one of the things that I'm really curious about the
[1:53:17] sites that you're looking for, because I don't have the details, but I saw that you're obviously
[1:53:24] looking at the entire county, but I hope that I really appreciate what you mentioned, because it was
[1:53:32] also something I was thinking the whole time. But as we're doing this simultaneously with the
[1:53:39] that we really review, where is it that we want to really focus for growth?
[1:53:45] And I'm looking at the GIS map right now.
[1:53:48] We have our community growth boundaries, but I don't know when the last time we necessarily
[1:53:53] updated that we have large communities that are not specified as community growth boundaries.
[1:54:00] And I think along with community growth boundaries comes certain measures to protect those
[1:54:05] communities, for example, cannabis.
[1:54:09] You have to be a thousand feet away from community growth boundaries in order not to be embedded
[1:54:13] within these communities that have grown over the years.
[1:54:17] And so certain ones are not necessarily made safe from those.
[1:54:22] And when I say safe, I mean, subjected to the potential smell that comes from those types
[1:54:26] of operations and the traffic that comes from those operations and things like that.
[1:54:30] And so I hope that we're looking at what 2050 will be doing if that there's going to be
[1:54:38] an expansion of community growth boundaries within the county of Lake and also that we're
[1:54:43] really looking at in-fill sites within the community growth boundaries because it's so much easier
[1:54:49] to protect the community growth boundaries from the fires that we've endured throughout the last decade
[1:54:54] or so that we just have to be mindful of that.
[1:55:00] In the future, if a private person wants to build a house in the wooE, and the wildlife urban interface, that's up to them, and go through the planning phase and go through the permitting phase, but if we're going to be helping whatsoever in getting tax credits or using some of the funds that we receive from the state or feds, I would want to make sure that we're focusing on ensuring that those are going to be added into the community growth boundaries.
[1:55:27] just because we have to think in a 20, 30 years, and if this is what we're experiencing right
[1:55:32] now, I don't know that we've tapered off with the issues that we're dealing with when it comes
[1:55:38] with climate change fires, and so on. I'm more worried about the fires than I am about the
[1:55:43] floods, but flooding is also still an issue that we have to be wary of. So that's that's really
[1:55:47] my only thing that I'm hoping the site selection is really focusing on, and I'm putting my
[1:55:52] we want to maintain our open space, we just had a conversation about agriculture, we want to maintain our agricultural space as well.
[1:56:05] And there's a lot of chance for infilling in those checker boards and working with rehabilitation to make those things happen.
[1:56:11] So those are my only comments, but I do appreciate the deep dive that you've done, looking forward to that mapping tool being available to the public
[1:56:17] and seeing the final report as you continue to work towards that.
[1:56:22] Thank you for that. I'll add that a little bit of context as well with this initial
[1:56:27] pass at the sites for the hate. Our aim is to provide the county and the cities with
[1:56:34] a lot of information in a really clear format. We do want to help with identifying priority
[1:56:40] sites that can be marketed to developers, but then it's the housing element that's coming
[1:56:45] up in a couple of years where you can take this as well as the other results from the general
[1:56:51] plan process that will be happening after the hate wraps up and then you can even drill down further
[1:56:56] at that point in a couple of years when working on your housing element inventory.
[1:57:01] Thank you so much. And I did see that Director Turner approached the
[1:57:06] Dias, so I'm wondering if she wanted to respond or make a comment before I open it up for public
[1:57:11] comment and vice chair. Thank you.
[1:57:15] We are a community development director.
[1:57:18] I'd be happy to have a discussion with you regarding community growth boundaries offline.
[1:57:24] I find your thoughts very helpful.
[1:57:28] But I don't want to derail the focus that we have on the hate right now.
[1:57:32] Thank you.
[1:57:33] Thank you.
[1:57:34] Mr. Grant.
[1:57:35] The other thing I was going to mention I heard short-term rentals as well mentioned by my supervisor Green.
[1:57:42] And I know that there's been some discussions in work that's moving in that area on another
[1:57:49] end.
[1:57:51] So that's where we can, with an ordinance, put that ahead and ensure that this, it doesn't
[1:57:57] affect this.
[1:57:59] So I'll let that come when it comes because I know it is.
[1:58:02] But yeah.
[1:58:03] Thank you very much.
[1:58:06] Supervisor Green.
[1:58:06] Did you want to respond?
[1:58:07] I think that's not just a supervisor,
[1:58:09] a piece of suggestion.
[1:58:11] I agree, I agree with that.
[1:58:14] I agree with that.
[1:58:15] I don't know where my mic went.
[1:58:17] All right.
[1:58:18] Let's go ahead and open up for public comments.
[1:58:21] And I'm going to start on Zoom.
[1:58:22] We've had a couple of hands up.
[1:58:24] So let's start with Margot Combara.
[1:58:32] Good morning, Board.
[1:58:33] Thank you for the opportunity to ask questions on the hate.
[1:58:37] I have a couple of comments.
[1:58:40] First, I'm sorry.
[1:58:41] I didn't explain my background.
[1:58:44] I am a member of the general plan advisory committee.
[1:58:49] And I was wondering where the materials are available
[1:58:51] that you have.
[1:58:52] It sounds like you have great data.
[1:58:54] And I would like to take a look at the community
[1:58:57] and put that you've gotten.
[1:58:59] I think that would definitely better
[1:59:01] and form work on the general plan.
[1:59:03] And then I have two other comments and questions.
[1:59:06] And one is a relative to what Vice Chair Crandell brought up, what's happening with some
[1:59:13] of our mobile parks, which housed our seniors and low-income people.
[1:59:19] Some communities have made arrangements to allow mobile home residents to purchase the mobile
[1:59:26] home park before investors purchase a park.
[1:59:31] And I was wondering if you can make a note of that to see if that can be feasible for Lake County.
[1:59:39] And my other question is, would you please comment on your approach to assessing the farm worker housing situation in Lake County?
[1:59:48] Thank you.
[1:59:50] Thank you for your questions, Nicole or Amy, are you able to respond?
[1:59:53] Yeah, certainly, to the first and the third question, we have a draft of these.
[2:00:00] Emergency engagement summary. But there are just a few meetings that haven't occurred yet. We're finishing up some of the meetings, the consultations with tribes.
[2:00:10] There's also an agricultural industry stakeholder meeting coming up. And we want to add summaries of both of those. And we also anticipate meeting with staff in Lakeport and Clear Lake as well. And so after that, the outreach summary will be finalized.
[2:00:27] and we can work with staff about how that will be released to the public and then what was the third question
[2:00:33] site? Oh, the agricultural. Yeah. So the stakeholder meeting that's coming up will speak to that topic.
[2:00:40] Whoever has their phone on speaker, if you can please turn off your phone.
[2:00:47] And then I can say just a bit about the mobile home comments. So we are looking into
[2:00:55] protections for mobile existing mobile home park residents as part of the goals and strategies.
[2:01:00] Some of that already exists under state law that we're looking into options that could happen
[2:01:06] in your account. So thanks for that suggestion and we've definitely gotten that input as part of
[2:01:12] the outreach so far as well. Thank you for your responses to that. Next is Betsy Con.
[2:01:22] Good morning. Can you come here? Okay. Yes, we can.
[2:01:25] Thank you. This is Betsy Con for the Essential Public Information Center. I would like to suggest that as one commenter made the populations within the growth community growth boundaries that were set in 2008 may have increased significantly.
[2:01:44] And so it would be helpful to see the outline of the community growth boundary with the added growth
[2:01:52] identified in those parcels that are surrounding it.
[2:01:56] More importantly, I would like to see that the community growth boundaries establish
[2:02:01] 510 and 20-year planning horizons under the rubric of the sphere of influence similar to what
[2:02:11] code does for the independent special district that provide health and safety services and make
[2:02:17] sure that each of those special district boundaries with their, oh sorry, with their boundaries
[2:02:27] are workable so that you don't have a community growth boundary sphere for 10 years that exceeds
[2:02:34] the ability of the water district for example to provide water. So I think the sphere of influence
[2:02:40] This model is really helpful for communities to understand where they can grow and what it would
[2:02:46] take to get there.
[2:02:49] Let's see, the other, yep, no, that's about it, thank you very much.
[2:02:55] Thank you very much, Betsy.
[2:02:58] I see no further hands in Zoom.
[2:02:59] Anybody in the audience, switch to speak on this item.
[2:03:05] I see no one getting up, so I'll bring it back to the board.
[2:03:08] Any final comments?
[2:03:10] And again, this is only part way through the final report.
[2:03:13] Looking forward to the final report.
[2:03:14] It looked like it said, towards March, would be the end.
[2:03:18] And so we'll welcome that back when it's ready to come back.
[2:03:22] Thank you very much.
[2:03:22] Thank you so much.
[2:03:25] Thank you.
[2:03:27] We're here.
[2:03:35] And at this moment in time, I think this should be fast.
[2:03:39] And I want to offer that we do 7.3 real quick
[2:03:44] before we do the 6.9.
[2:03:51] We've already had the discussion.
[2:03:53] So Ms. Judd, if we can take up your item,
[2:03:55] while you're still here, 7.3.
[2:03:58] Consideration, a resolution, an MOU to create
[2:04:00] the Lake County Regional Housing Trust Fund.
[2:04:02] I'll see our HTF and be
[2:04:04] consideration, a direction to staff regarding
[2:04:05] the allocation, remaining permanent local
[2:04:07] housing allocation, PLHA, program funds
[2:04:10] for the Lake County Regional Housing Trust Fund for
[2:04:13] Here's 2021, 2022 and 2023, Mr.
[2:04:21] Hello, again, staff would like to request the board to approve the creation of the Lake County
[2:04:27] Regional Housing Trust Fund via the resolution and memorandum of understanding between the
[2:04:32] County of Lake Lakeport and Clear Lake.
[2:04:35] The housing action implementation plan and the regional housing needs assessment, Rina, are both
[2:04:40] regional approaches to addressing housing needs in Lake County, therefore it follows that the housing
[2:04:46] trust fund should also be a regional level to promote greater collaboration and pulling
[2:04:51] of resources to address critical housing needs that encompass the entirety of Lake County.
[2:05:20] My apologies. So what I wanted to bring forward today is the MOU and the resolution. In part of that, it does reference the administrative guidelines in that.
[2:05:31] And I do have a draft of those prepared. However, they were not submitted with that. This, this board would not actually approve the administrative guidelines.
[2:05:40] It would be with the housing trust fund, however, because those documents do reference the administrative guidelines.
[2:05:48] I'd like to request for a continuance until next week.
[2:05:52] And do we have a time certain or
[2:05:55] Johanna?
[2:06:02] 3 p.m. on the 17th?
[2:06:05] And if that's what we have available, then so be it.
[2:06:08] All right.
[2:06:09] Let's open it up for public comment on this item.
[2:06:11] Again, regarding the continuation of the item.
[2:06:15] See, no hands in zoom.
[2:06:16] No moving in the chamber.
[2:06:17] Looking for a motion to continue this to December 17th.
[2:06:21] 3 p.m.
[2:06:22] We have a motion and a second.
[2:06:25] All in favor.
[2:06:26] I, any opposed, motion carries.
[2:06:31] I.
[2:06:31] Any opposed, motion carries.
[2:06:33] Thank you.
[2:06:34] Thank you very much.
[2:06:35] We'll see this next week.
[2:06:37] All right.
[2:06:38] Then we will go back to our 11 a.m.
[2:06:40] Item 6.9.
[2:06:41] Sitting as the Board of Directors,
[2:06:43] Lake County Watershed Protection District,
[2:06:45] Presentation Update.
[2:06:46] Your timing was impeccable.
[2:06:48] Update on recent invasive golden muscle detection
[2:06:51] in the San Joaquin Delta and state regional and local response and management actions to date.
[2:06:57] And we have director Bora from Special Districts and Angela Dow from Water Resources.
[2:07:05] You always have handouts.
[2:07:19] We have no other questions so you can fill out the break.
[2:07:24] Thank you.
[2:07:25] Thank you.
[2:07:26] That's me Dan for keeping it for a minute.
[2:07:34] Oh, I know.
[2:07:38] We need five minutes.
[2:08:02] We all fear the updates you never know what's going to happen on the when you're software updates.
[2:08:27] Is it on the usb
[2:08:31] it is he I sent it liquid file
[2:08:34] Right now
[2:08:42] We need to make you a panelist
[2:08:46] Well, thank you for having me bored while
[2:08:49] Joanna is working her magic to get the
[2:08:52] Powerpoint up. I just wanted to say that I'll be presenting today on the late county base of Golden Muscle update
[2:08:59] As part of the Watershed for the District of Water Resource Department, I'm Angela Dupalma
[2:09:03] Dau.
[2:09:03] I am the Invasive Species Program Coordinator for our department, and I don't have a
[2:09:10] super short PowerPoint for you because this is the first time that you guys are hearing
[2:09:13] a lot about the Golden Muscle and the first time the public will be hearing about it from
[2:09:17] a late county perspective.
[2:09:19] We do have a website, if anybody wants to visit that, and the PowerPoint I'm presenting today
[2:09:25] is going to be on our website.
[2:09:27] It is on there right now.
[2:09:29] So if you go to Lake County Water Resources
[2:09:32] under the invasive muscle tab on the left,
[2:09:35] there's a Golden Muscle webpage
[2:09:37] and this PowerPoint will be presented to there.
[2:09:39] And I did want to shout out to our ramp monitor staff.
[2:09:43] There's a bunch in the audience today
[2:09:45] and they are the front line.
[2:09:47] So we have a current Quagga invasive,
[2:09:49] an invasive Quagga zebra muscle program in place here.
[2:09:53] Yeah, a clear lake and there's a lake county and the rant monitor staff is vital for
[2:10:00] So being the first line in the last line of defense, people travel, sometimes hundreds, thousands of miles to come fishing in our world-class lake, and sometimes the first person they see in the last person they see before they get on the lake when they get on the lake is our rampometer staff.
[2:10:15] So they are essential to this program.
[2:10:21] The whole PowerPoint, are you okay, Robin?
[2:10:23] And then Robin, if you just want to just yourself, she's special districts in here to support the program.
[2:10:28] Yeah, I'm Robin Borey with a special districts and we have three different lake intake structures where we provide potable water and water to the guisers. So we're especially interested in this and how it could get through the screens and
[2:10:45] clogs things up and that kind of stuff. So I'm here to support her.
[2:10:50] And I will say that in the board, there is a fact sheet provided to anybody who would like to look at it that's in chambers and we will have that posted on our website as well.
[2:10:58] So here's our Ram Outer staff on the screen. Again, this program only works because they do and we are just invaluable service to this lake and to this program.
[2:11:09] And just today, we're going to talk about what we know about Golden Mussels, what we don't know, what we think. So the perspective of water resources as the bestowed lake managers here for the county for clear lake.
[2:11:19] I have some specific asks for the Board of Supervisors, Board of Directors, and the Public,
[2:11:23] and then briefly some next steps. So here we have examples of the of the Quagas-Ebr muscles.
[2:11:30] These are the ones that are currently been the focus of our prevention efforts here,
[2:11:36] both in the state of California, and also in Clear Lake on the left. You guys can see,
[2:11:41] they have stripes, they look like kind of zebra as that's their name, and then golden muscles on the right.
[2:11:46] So, similar in size, similar in shape, golden muscles,
[2:11:49] like their namesake have like this ear
[2:11:51] doesn't shine to them, in their hands named golden muscles.
[2:11:54] They can colonize hard and soft surfaces.
[2:11:58] A key point of this, and this is the science.
[2:12:00] This is a technical background.
[2:12:02] The quagazira muscles are in the dorsina, genus,
[2:12:05] and the golden muscles are the limp, no para.
[2:12:07] So, they're completely different organism,
[2:12:08] not related at all, which makes management
[2:12:10] and response a little difficult.
[2:12:12] This is the quagazira muscle map.
[2:12:14] board, you were shown this, I believe, in 2020.
[2:12:17] One, and this is the rate of expansion of Quagazever muscles
[2:12:22] across the United States.
[2:12:24] So starting in the 80s, until present day,
[2:12:26] you can see they've moved from the Luritian Great Lakes,
[2:12:28] all the way across to the West.
[2:12:30] We have 40 years of information.
[2:12:32] Quagazever muscles here in North America.
[2:12:35] Compared to the current distribution of golden muscles
[2:12:37] in North America, is here in the Delta in California.
[2:12:41] It isn't found nowhere else in the United States.
[2:12:43] We don't have information about how this species interacts in North American freshwater systems.
[2:12:51] Specifically, Golden Muscle's are found in the San Joaquin Delta in October by the California Department of Water Resources.
[2:12:58] And every week, they're having some more detections come up.
[2:13:01] So the map on the bottom right is a close-up of the area of the Delta where they're found.
[2:13:06] And just in the last few weeks, some of those dots have gone from blue to red, blue meeting they've done.
[2:13:11] monitoring and then red being confirmed adult locations being found.
[2:13:17] So from our perspective, as managed with the lake, we're considering the entire Delta
[2:13:20] at this point kind of being infested with these species.
[2:13:24] And to give you some reference, the Delta is located about 150 miles from Clear Lake
[2:13:28] at some of the earliest launch areas.
[2:13:32] This is a great map that was provided by our partners at Colorado Park's
[2:13:36] Park's department, so the Colorado State Park's department, they have a digital database called
[2:13:42] the watercraft inspection database.
[2:13:44] Our rent monitors currently use the state of base to check when boats are coming in from
[2:13:49] out of county out of state if they've come from an infested water body for quagas e-remusals.
[2:13:55] The Colorado database has since added golden muscle locations into their program and they
[2:14:04] Their boat inspections are put into the database and their last visited water body.
[2:14:12] So the origin point you can see in the center there is the delta and then each line represents
[2:14:17] either about 10 or 10 to 50 or more than 50 boats traveling to a location and then getting
[2:14:24] entered into the Colorado database.
[2:14:26] And what you can see is clear lake is listed for as having the fourth most amount of boats
[2:14:30] coming from the delta at 148.
[2:14:33] like various of being the top one there and then like Tahoe.
[2:14:37] So it just kind of shows you the boat traffic that comes from the Delta.
[2:14:41] Temporal context, not everybody's from California or gets around that much.
[2:14:44] I just wanted to show you if someone was to drive and they're leaving a boat ramp in the Delta
[2:14:49] and they're coming to clear like that's kind of what the map would look like.
[2:14:51] It's about a two-hour drive.
[2:14:53] Currently, the closest public access or open access quagas, the remusseln-fested lake is...
[2:15:00] 7 hours away in Southern California. So that's a big difference, especially in like a warm July day of how much water
[2:15:05] sitting in the boat where there could be muscles living in the transportation times. Little alone in the winter when there's lots of rain and it's cool.
[2:15:14] So what do we know about these so far? This is a great article from science that talks about the golden muscle invasion that's occurring right now in Brazil.
[2:15:25] And this is showing kind of where they're from and how they move trance across the ocean.
[2:15:32] So they are from Southeast Asia area and they were moved by ship over the ocean to Brazil.
[2:15:39] And they've been there since the 90s and here's a little map of their spread.
[2:15:44] So this is where they are now and so this is where if we're going to learn anything about management and impacts.
[2:15:49] This is the area that we're going to get that information from.
[2:15:51] The little graph on the left shows you that between 1991 and 1995, they colonize a space of two square meters,
[2:15:59] up to about 150,000 individuals. So it's pretty significant in their colonization rate.
[2:16:05] They attach on to substrates and then they reduce and they just show like that picture is right there.
[2:16:10] They just totally colonize the whole area.
[2:16:14] So the state of California is indicated they are looking to programs that are going on in the Amazon area in Brazil
[2:16:19] in order to manage and combat golden muscles.
[2:16:23] So what can the muscles do?
[2:16:25] Well, the juveniles are free swimming,
[2:16:27] so they can go anywhere where there's a current,
[2:16:29] settle, and then they can attach and turn into adults.
[2:16:32] They can't go upstream, so they can't swim up currents.
[2:16:35] Adults can settle on softer hard substrate,
[2:16:38] so they can settle in muck, sand, and also onto pilings
[2:16:41] and dock infrastructure.
[2:16:44] And then according to the state, the Department of Water Resources,
[2:16:47] is a dulcer slightly mobile which is a lot different than other muscles, so they cleared a
[2:16:51] piling and then three days later they saw us on a dulcer that had moved up that piling.
[2:16:55] So that is pretty scary for these guys.
[2:16:58] And just like quagas either muscles they do filter feed and so this means they'll compete
[2:17:02] with all our sport fisheries for green algae as food.
[2:17:06] So what can they do?
[2:17:08] The estimates from Brazil has indicated in some power plants, it cost about 20,000 a day to
[2:17:14] operation maintenance. Here's an example of one of those pipes. It's about a foot wide pipe to
[2:17:18] move water through a power plant that they have to scrape and clean. And this is not even
[2:17:24] including drinking water, you know, treatments and products that also might be impacted here.
[2:17:29] In the lab, they've shown that they're resistant to some diseases, also some industry treatments.
[2:17:34] They can withstand brackish, saltier waters. They've been shown to survive in fish guts. I
[2:17:39] know, this is getting bad as we keep going on the list here. And they do not have any
[2:17:43] natural enemies in native areas. So there are some predator fish in some
[2:17:47] introduced areas but again if you have a bunch of fish that are eating these and
[2:17:50] they can survive in their fish guts then that means they're just moved around
[2:17:53] the water body or they could be the potentials there. Can they survive in
[2:17:58] Clear Lake based on the conditions that are here in Clear Lake? Yes, they can. So
[2:18:02] this is a table that was provided by CDFW during one of our task force meetings
[2:18:07] a couple weeks ago and what it's just showing you is the survivability establishment
[2:18:12] potential on the left column, whether it's highly likely that'll establish or very low,
[2:18:18] and they made this table for both adults and for the juveniles, and so all these parameters
[2:18:23] and calcium fit. Clearly, as high calcium, we definitely would be a nice house for them.
[2:18:29] Solinity, we have less than two salinity, so again, they do, however, can withstand some higher
[2:18:35] salinity for a couple hours, and then the temperature ranges exactly what we get and they've been
[2:18:40] in frozen areas and then they're in the Amazon so they like warm water also, which we also have here in
[2:18:45] clear lake. What I did want to show you specifically in point out is the constant salinity on the
[2:18:50] left, which can range from 2 to 5 for high to low survivability and the variable salinity which means
[2:18:56] a flash. So just dunking something in salt water for a couple hours if it's up to 23 parts per
[2:19:02] truly, truly in for salt water is not going to be susceptible to make these guys susceptible. So again,
[2:19:09] And here's that map I showed on the left, which is the Golden Muscle current detections we have from fish and wildlife.
[2:19:15] This is a salinity map of the Delta on the right.
[2:19:18] So there are some areas here within the Delta closer to the bay that are very high in salinity.
[2:19:24] So we're not expecting there to be potential there for them to live.
[2:19:27] But you can see areas that are well within the range for the salinity of these.
[2:19:32] So it's just really, again, to hone in on the wide area of the aquatic zone down there in the Delta,
[2:19:38] where these guys can potentially spread.
[2:19:41] The black dots in the map on the right are not muscles.
[2:19:43] Those are delta-smelt family locations
[2:19:45] is just for the map purposes.
[2:19:49] So some good news, what we know.
[2:19:52] They are sensitive to hot water.
[2:19:54] So any decontamination practices that we employ right here
[2:19:57] on the right, you can see some rank monitors or decont...
[2:20:01] So, one guy will hold a hot water wands, and then somebody else will have a little temperature gauge. They hold over the water to make sure the water is reaching the temperature that will kill them at 120 degrees Fahrenheit.
[2:20:13] They can't desecate within 10 days. So, the messaging for clean drain dry, your boat is still very important practice that we still are going to be communicating to everybody.
[2:20:24] And then there is some sensitivity to low oxygen environments based on some lab experiments and some field observations.
[2:20:32] Unfortunately, clearly, it's really low dissolved oxygen in the summer.
[2:20:36] We get some zones in the lower arm, the upper, or the lower arm in the oaks arm that gets a pleaded of oxygen.
[2:20:42] That's why we have some cyanobacteria issues.
[2:20:45] Unfortunately, those conditions might have a negative effect on golden muscles if they're introduced and established there.
[2:20:52] They do have some sun sensitivity, so they like shadier water areas, so on the part of your
[2:20:57] dock, that's a couple feet down, that's where you would probably see them versus right up
[2:21:02] on the top, closer to the sun.
[2:21:05] This makes it harder to detect, however, if we have some substrates in the water, we're trying
[2:21:10] to check to see if they're colonizing, they have to be pretty submerged in the water.
[2:21:14] And some fish and crabs like to eat them.
[2:21:15] One of the species that likes them is common cart, which we have a lot in clear lake.
[2:21:19] We're trying to get rid of them.
[2:21:21] But here you see this invasive beneficial relationship with two invasive.
[2:21:27] We do not have Golden Muscles in Lake County right now.
[2:21:30] Here's our technician Cory going out and sampling.
[2:21:34] We have substrates that so these square plates around the lake.
[2:21:36] There's about 16 locations.
[2:21:39] Every month we sample them.
[2:21:41] We scrape them off.
[2:21:41] We clean them.
[2:21:42] We note anything that's on there.
[2:21:44] And we do not have any muscles on any of the plates.
[2:21:46] So we're going to keep vigilant on monitoring these plates.
[2:21:49] Maybe increase the monitoring as we go into the winter season with this new threat of golden muscles and
[2:21:56] So so far so good for that. We do other monthly monitoring. We look at shorelines. We look at rocks
[2:22:02] We look at buoy lines. We got meant is buoy we pulled the lines we look at the line. Those are prime places where these muscles can establish and settle
[2:22:09] Don't have any muscles there yet
[2:22:12] CDFW is developing a protocol to do
[2:22:15] micro-scoppy infrared imaging for the villagers or the juveniles of the Golden Muscles.
[2:22:22] They do not have a developed yet. We are still collecting samples and sending it to them.
[2:22:26] And so they'll be able to detect those juveniles and water bodies.
[2:22:28] They do that now for zebra-quack of muscles.
[2:22:31] Can I pause you for one second if you can go back to the previous slide?
[2:22:35] Just to make sure that we talk about the zebra muscle villagers on that that is just a sample picture.
[2:22:43] would look like if we found any.
[2:22:46] Yeah, so the villagers, you can't see them to the naked eye, they're microscopic, and they require a special
[2:22:52] dye and imaging to be seen, and so there's a certain, there's a special lab in Badega Bay that
[2:22:57] we send our samples to, and they're able to do that procedure for us and let us know if there's any juveniles
[2:23:03] in the lake. So they're developing that specific for gold and muscles because they have a different
[2:23:07] juvenile. So they have to get those juveniles first, put them on the slide, and test what
[2:23:12] and imaging will work to see them, so the image here is just showing what zebra muscle
[2:23:17] villagers look like, golden muscle villagers, look pretty similar, but yeah, did
[2:23:22] that answer the, it was more to make the statement because the headline on the slide is
[2:23:26] we don't have golden muscle. Right, and then there's, we don't have any muscle.
[2:23:29] We don't have any muscles, that is correct, yes, yes. I wouldn't keep that to myself, I'd
[2:23:34] make sure and share that news.
[2:23:37] Okay, so what we don't know, we don't know the impact
[2:23:40] North American freshwater lakes, freshwater ecosystems, North American fish, we have no idea.
[2:23:46] So it's not like we're going blind because we have information from Amazon and we can go
[2:23:50] forward with what we know about other invasive impacts and we can take precautionary measures,
[2:23:55] but that isn't unknown.
[2:23:57] We don't know exactly right now what the federal in the state's control treatment or management
[2:24:01] strategy plan is, they're starting to have a task force, they're starting to form committees,
[2:24:07] And they're starting to include the Golden Muscle and some of their regulatory framework.
[2:24:12] So we don't know yet what their management strategy plan is going to be if it's going to be really hard and strict or if it's going to be kind of a rollout.
[2:24:20] We don't know when and if a emergency declaration will occur from the states.
[2:24:24] Personally, that would be really helpful for us because we can get more access to funds.
[2:24:28] There'd be clear processes. We feel supported. We have resources, but we don't know if this is going to warrant an emergency declaration on that level or not.
[2:24:35] And I'm just being honest with you as invasive species manager of these are the things I'm thinking about as I'm planning the next few months
[2:24:42] We don't know if the Delta will even be regulated like current quagas ebra muscle water bodies in southern California
[2:24:48] So right now if a water body in southern California has invasive quagas ebra muscles detected and they have to go through a rigorous process to determine if this there are muscles there that are present
[2:24:58] Then they're required to have
[2:25:00] Decont inspections when decontamination inspections when boats leave that lake. So boats needed to be decont or they can get a seal so that boat now is basically tagged so it can't go into another water body.
[2:25:12] And we don't know if that'll be put in place for the delta, the delta is huge, so that would be a big lift and we don't know yet what the direction is going to be for that.
[2:25:20] We don't know if there's going to be other closures and pose or quarantines, so currently
[2:25:26] Lake Tennessee is closed temporarily.
[2:25:28] They're not letting any boats launch.
[2:25:29] New Malena's is closed Lake Bersa has strictly regulated the ramps and they have a 30 day
[2:25:39] quarantine.
[2:25:40] So a boat can come get a tag, come back in 30 days, or they can schedule and get a decontamination,
[2:25:45] but right now they're booked out through February March for decontamination.
[2:25:48] so you might as well just get your 30-day quarantine tag.
[2:25:51] Come at you, Regivore, temporarily closed.
[2:25:53] They might reopen with similar quarantines.
[2:25:56] These reservoirs don't necessarily have decontamination on site,
[2:25:59] so that's something that's going to have to be.
[2:26:01] If that's an option, they're going to have to figure out how to do that.
[2:26:04] So, what, as a manager of Clear Lake, I look at this,
[2:26:08] and I get worried because if both can't go to these other nearby water bodies,
[2:26:12] but they want to go fishing, they want to go wakeboarding,
[2:26:14] where they're going to go to a lake that's open.
[2:26:16] And that right now is clear, like.
[2:26:21] So is that increasing boating pressure on clear, like, potentially?
[2:26:25] This is...
[2:26:25] It's a pretty quick question, what's more in team look like?
[2:26:27] Like, they park the boat off side and it's monitored for third.
[2:26:31] They put a tag on it, so they put a little tag.
[2:26:34] It's like a seal, it goes around the trailer and the boat.
[2:26:37] And so if the boat is launched off the trailer,
[2:26:39] the tag is broken and it can never be reformed.
[2:26:42] So when we know that boat went into a water body,
[2:26:44] it's not safe to launch.
[2:26:45] So they need to keep their boat on their trailer for 30 days out of water and dried and then we know that it's safe to go in the water.
[2:26:53] So someone that lives on various and has a boat they're going to do a quarantine because after that they can put their boat, you know, if they live in that area.
[2:27:02] So this is what we think, and this is probably more on the personal level of what I think, but this is water resource kind of perspective.
[2:27:09] A general blanket ramp closure right now, I don't think will prevent a gold and muscle
[2:27:14] introduction, just because our lake is so large.
[2:27:19] And if you take the certified tourism ambassador training, this is one of the test questions.
[2:27:23] How many boat access points are there in clear lake?
[2:27:25] And there's 749 of non-public and public access points.
[2:27:29] So if we tried to close the lake, it would close public ramps.
[2:27:33] And what that would do is just force boat traffic to bypass any of those ramps to other
[2:27:38] access points, and that, therefore, would also bypass any screening inspection or decontamination
[2:27:43] that we have currently in place, and, in my opinion, will increase the probability of
[2:27:48] introduction.
[2:27:49] It could generally reduce voting traffic overall, so you might see less, votes coming here,
[2:27:57] But you might see more of the boat traffic again,
[2:28:02] going into other access points and not getting screened that way.
[2:28:07] And the goal of the prevention program has always
[2:28:09] been since 2006 is make it easy, fast, and affordable.
[2:28:13] So boats can get screened and expected to get
[2:28:15] geese contaminated pretty quickly.
[2:28:17] So they're more likely to do it again.
[2:28:19] They're more likely to tell their friends.
[2:28:20] They're more likely to participate in the program.
[2:28:21] make it really easy, a clear pathway for them to comply versus putting up a lot of resistance
[2:28:27] and barriers and then they take, you know, they go around those barriers, which we saw
[2:28:32] during the drought.
[2:28:33] So here's an example of a voter just finding a little beach and putting their boat in.
[2:28:37] You know, we had ramps that were closed for the drought.
[2:28:39] They found a way to get their boat in.
[2:28:41] During COVID, we shut down the lake.
[2:28:43] We still had boating activity out there.
[2:28:44] People were still coming here, and because we have so many ramps, it's really, and access
[2:28:49] points, it's really hard to regulate that.
[2:28:51] But we do need some swift upgrades to our invasive muscle prevention program in general, and we really need some financial technical help to do that and do it in a way that makes sense that will actually prevent these muscles from getting into the lake.
[2:29:04] For example, the state and local laws and ordinances are all written specifically for Quacas
[2:29:08] e-remusals.
[2:29:09] So there's no legal framework for me to comply or to enforce Golden Muscle prevention because
[2:29:16] we don't have an ordinance that states that.
[2:29:18] And I provided a copy of my ordinance and highlighted.
[2:29:21] It literally says to sit in muscles like Quacas e-remusals throughout the whole document.
[2:29:26] This is the same at the state too.
[2:29:28] So they're taking actions to update their legal framework to include Golden Muscles.
[2:29:31] so they have abilities to enforce actions
[2:29:34] and put in management measures.
[2:29:37] Another example, we have some specific plans
[2:29:40] for muscle prevention and management and response.
[2:29:43] They are all specific to caucus e-bremusals.
[2:29:45] So these are going to be updated.
[2:29:47] The plan on the left is available on Web site.
[2:29:49] So that's the late county caucus e-bremusals prevention plan.
[2:29:52] That was due to be updated this year anyways.
[2:29:54] I had plans to update it's been five years since 2019.
[2:29:57] I last updated it.
[2:29:59] So this is a perfect.
[2:30:00] Time, but it does take a lot of time and research and resources for me to be able to do that. And then we just were in the final stage of preparing our crew, like integrated preparedness, resilience plan for decided muscle. So in case we got muscles in the lake or quag a muscles, what would we do, what would be our steps, how would we implement ICS and emergency measures. And so this is all written with quag and zebra muscles in mind.
[2:30:27] We're very grateful that our contractors on this have decided to help us out pro bono and update this for golden muscles.
[2:30:34] So we're really, really grateful.
[2:30:36] A protected clear lake is a protected western US and they recognize that and they're willing to help us and put in the work and do that for this document and for the plans for us.
[2:30:45] So what we've done so far is we've created release press release.
[2:30:49] In fact sheet, we've created and shared posts online.
[2:30:53] We've collaborated to regional partners.
[2:30:55] I've had some in-person meetings with some of the Tahoe folks at a conference and
[2:30:59] bit on the phone and meetings with the Buriesa Solano County Water Agency folks.
[2:31:07] We've been Itex with the muscle dogs all the time.
[2:31:10] So muscle dogs are canine sniffing dogs or mussels sniffing canines.
[2:31:15] Okay, anyways, anyways, they got some golden muscles and they're going to be trained in about a week officially, I think actually they got certified yesterday, so all their muscles on staff can now sniff out adult golden muscles.
[2:31:29] So we have muscle dogs here, they're going to be able to sniff out any boats with adult golden muscles on them.
[2:31:34] They're working on juveniles, they have to get some isolated juveniles and DNA of golden muscles and then they can train them on that, but they're a pretty quick study and they're amazing.
[2:31:43] And we did attend the Fish and Wildlife for the California Department of Fish and Wildlife
[2:31:47] Golden Muscle Task Force meeting, and then Clear Lake, along with some regional water
[2:31:51] body managers are joined, or part of the CDFW Regional Partners Subcommittee.
[2:31:56] So we can really communicate straight with the state managers about things that are concerning
[2:32:00] us, what we need, and how we can go forward with this.
[2:32:04] What else we've done is we've increased some screening, inspection, and decontamination requirements
[2:32:09] for visiting voters from the Delta.
[2:32:10] I'm sure all my ramp monitors here can can attest to that they've had to work a little bit more this time of year
[2:32:16] to make sure these boats are safe, but we do have limited staff and annual hours make this difficult.
[2:32:22] So our ramp monitor staff is all part-time staff at 900 hours a year and usually around Thanksgiving through March
[2:32:29] they get some time off. There's some limited hours, but it's the off season. So we do some some decons inspections
[2:32:35] but we don't get a whole lot of boat traffic
[2:32:37] And it's been really difficult because if they work more now, doing decons now, that means
[2:32:43] come April May June, they have less hours to work, and that's when we're going to get a
[2:32:48] lot more boat traffic, too.
[2:32:49] So I'm really having a hard time struggling with how to make sure I have enough staff
[2:32:52] time to respond right now to these boats coming from the Delta, and then also planning for the
[2:32:59] next six months.
[2:33:00] We did submit a can grant to admin for emergency stop-gap program funding, and so I sent a
[2:33:07] proposal to Steven and talking with him about those funds that we need and talked provided
[2:33:13] it to our supervisor, Poorn Pied today about what this program needs right now to start putting
[2:33:19] some things in place to kind of prepare for Golden Muscle Prevention and any management
[2:33:24] that's needed.
[2:33:25] And just as a clarification, can Grant as the cannabis grants that we've been providing
[2:33:29] through cannabis tax dollars that we've collected?
[2:33:32] Yep, thank you for that for clarifying.
[2:33:34] I'm acronym, please ask me an acronym,
[2:33:36] so you can go from my acronyms.
[2:33:39] And that is, we'll talk about it.
[2:33:42] We did add the GoldenMuscle website that I talked about.
[2:33:45] So if you go to our website, the tab on the left of the bottom,
[2:33:47] we have new GoldenMuscle website.
[2:33:49] And the slides today are part of their,
[2:33:52] part of this website under resources and links.
[2:34:00] So our ask today for the board is to,
[2:34:03] we don't have any letters today,
[2:34:04] But we will probably be in the process of writing some letters of requests or recommendations
[2:34:11] or comment letters to the state or other partner agencies or groups.
[2:34:15] As we move forward with trying to figure out how we prevent managed golden muscles.
[2:34:20] And so we're just asking you that to be aware of that coming on the periphery, we might
[2:34:24] ask you a review and approve some letters on behalf of the county of Lake in order for us
[2:34:28] to best limit spread, raise awareness and cooperate with regional water bodies.
[2:34:32] and have maybe direct ass from the state.
[2:34:36] Again, we submitted a canned grant, so if you could support them in your budget request for that grant that stop get funds for this program,
[2:34:44] I have a slide next that I'll actually show the table, so I don't have to go through all of these.
[2:34:51] But the original tent of the canned grants was to protect water quality, environmental needs,
[2:34:58] and we strongly feel this request meets that shark.
[2:35:00] But just know that, to date, we haven't received, for quack a muscle, prevention programs, and muscle prevention programs, it's all been grant funded or funded by local muscle sticker funds.
[2:35:14] And so we haven't come yet to the board or the general fund to request any funds or resources to maintain this program to date.
[2:35:21] And the intent would still be going forward, applying for grants.
[2:35:24] Proposition 4 has been passed. There's a lot of money there. I would not be surprised if the state allocates a significant part of that to do golden muscle
[2:35:32] Response and prevention and we're going to work really hard to get our birth cut of that. So
[2:35:37] We're not going to ignore grants outside of the county from now on. This is just to help us provide some
[2:35:45] Sustainability in our planning as we go forward to to manage this issue. So we have some funds in there for our internal project management
[2:35:52] And we can spread those costs over some other grants.
[2:35:55] We are asking for another full-time position allocation to help us particularly with doing
[2:36:01] decons on, you know, when our ramp monitors are on the ramps and inspecting boats.
[2:36:06] We need decontamination support.
[2:36:08] We need somebody's available full-time to go around the lake and provide support for vendors
[2:36:12] and our staff.
[2:36:14] We have to continue monitoring.
[2:36:17] We really want to get signs, billboards out on the highways for people coming on the highways
[2:36:21] They know what's expected with the local sticker prevention and muscle prevention program, and these signs are really darn expensive.
[2:36:29] So that's what that 50,000 cost is there for that line item, as well as producing other education supplies and materials that are right now all based on Quagazir muscle.
[2:36:39] We have had talks with a consulting firm that does treatments on invasive muscles and invasive plants to kind of get their perspective on
[2:36:51] and what it would take to kind of start investigating some treatments,
[2:36:55] potential treatments, particularly because we have so many drinking water systems on the lake.
[2:37:00] If we find muscles in one area, and there's a treatment option from a chemical that's already
[2:37:05] allowed to be used in California and has been used on our lake for other uses, if that's an effective
[2:37:10] method, then that's something we want to have ready to go and know a fiddle work.
[2:37:14] So, I've kind of talked with those conversations and have some labs that I'm going to contact,
[2:37:18] but we need a little bit of matching contributions
[2:37:21] to be able to really put something on the table
[2:37:23] if that's something we're interested in.
[2:37:24] And of course, we'd work with partners,
[2:37:26] such as like special districts or other water
[2:37:27] perverts, to make sure those treatments
[2:37:30] would be usable in a drinking water system.
[2:37:32] And that is part of the prevention plan for Quagamusals, too.
[2:37:38] And then continue muscle dog inspection services.
[2:37:41] And then one thing that we wanted to do
[2:37:43] when we've talked it over with public services,
[2:37:46] public services and parks is the new park out there by the roundabout on Highway 20, Highway 53,
[2:37:53] is a great place for a permanent decontamination station. So any boats coming into the county
[2:37:58] can get deconted and then they're safe to launch anywhere in Clear Lake. And so we need to start
[2:38:04] planning and permitting for something like that and what that would entail and so that's that
[2:38:12] just so remarkable to have this facility there, and so we just need some resources to investigate
[2:38:19] and start those planning processes. So what can the public do? Get your boat screen and sticker
[2:38:25] up even if you're going anywhere near the Delta. Just go through the process again if you're a
[2:38:29] resident, if you're a visitor, we put stickers on either side of the boat and on the trailer.
[2:38:35] Anybody can see if the stickers are current, so the year stickers will have the current year on
[2:38:40] there. 25 stickers have already gone out. And then they'll have a month sticker on there with
[2:38:45] a little blue and white seal. And if you're coming from the Delta, and you just want to
[2:38:49] be proactive, you can call us ahead and we can schedule your decontamination so you can get
[2:38:54] inspected or deconted on the lake quickly. And then we just really encourage everybody to be
[2:38:59] aware of golden muscles. And of course, still Quag is the remusals that impact on clear
[2:39:04] lake. And we do are probably going to embark on some sort of community outreach tour while
[2:39:09] around the community groups and talk about this about Golden Mussels. I have the Clear Lake
[2:39:14] Bass Master scheduled in January. So that's on the table. We really ask everybody follow signage
[2:39:21] at every water body and coming to the county. You can see the sign on the bottom left. This is
[2:39:24] some of our new signs that posted on Highway 20 as you're coming in to Clear Lake Oaks area. And then
[2:39:29] to clean drain dry every time, all the time, every water body. And if you think you see a golden
[2:39:36] Muscle, even if you're not sure, let us come out and help you.
[2:39:40] We'll take sample of it, we'll take photos.
[2:39:42] You can call us at 7-7-263-344.
[2:39:45] Leave a message at Facebook at Lake County Water.
[2:39:47] You can email us, just get a hold of us.
[2:39:49] We'll make it real easy.
[2:39:50] We love to come out and look at whatever you got on your shoreline
[2:39:53] or your boat and making sure it's not a golden muscle
[2:39:56] or a zebra quagamussel.
[2:39:57] Oh.
[2:40:00] So, the next steps, all of the dependant funding, but this is what I'm focused on, is I want to support my ramp staff, because they are the ones right now keeping our lake free of golden muscles. So, whatever I can do to support them, I want to be here for that.
[2:40:12] And then we need to update our legal framework right away to include golden muscle. Even if this may be in includes increases in citation fines, as a deterrent, I have to talk with a sheriff's office, talk with a board, talk with legal counsel, and see how this can be worked out if this is something that's amenable.
[2:40:29] And then, of course, we're going to continue conducting inspections and decontaminations of the Delta Boats.
[2:40:35] I underline as best we can because we're not going to be able to decont every single Delta Boat that comes into Clear Lake.
[2:40:40] That's just the reality as much as I hate it. We're trying our darn best.
[2:40:45] Continuing communication cooperation with state regional partners really establishing those relationships with our partners and making sure we're on the same page.
[2:40:53] So as a region, we're very strong against this potential threat.
[2:40:57] I'm always looking for funding options.
[2:41:00] It's really hard.
[2:41:00] I can't apply to state grants.
[2:41:02] If in their directives, they don't list the Golden Muscle as something that would be eligible.
[2:41:06] And so we have to kind of wait for that top-down effect to happen from the state.
[2:41:12] And some notes on that.
[2:41:14] So right now, I've reached out to my state grants.
[2:41:17] Because their language specifically,
[2:41:18] Specifies Quag is the brim muscles.
[2:41:20] They will not accept anything we build that's work under Golden Muscles.
[2:41:23] So if I have a tournament that's coming from the Delta
[2:41:26] and all my ramp monitors need to do some extra inspections
[2:41:29] and decons, those times that money
[2:41:31] is internally, is it a internal cost?
[2:41:34] We can't build our grants because they legally can't pay
[2:41:38] for that because it's not for zebra quagamussel.
[2:41:41] They are kind of working to remedy this.
[2:41:43] So there's a board meeting,
[2:41:45] or there's a fishing game commission meeting on December 12th,
[2:41:48] where they CDFW is typically going to ask for emergency package
[2:41:51] that will include gold and muscles in state language.
[2:41:54] I don't know how that'll trickle down to all the grants,
[2:41:56] but we're hoping that's the start.
[2:41:59] And so we are running out of internal funding sources.
[2:42:01] We do have some sticker revenue or sticker revenue.
[2:42:06] It's not that much.
[2:42:07] I know one of the first things we might think about is,
[2:42:10] well let's increase sticker prices.
[2:42:11] And I would caution that we really need to consider
[2:42:14] and discuss that because if you make it harder again
[2:42:17] for a voter to come here and there's a barrier
[2:42:19] And now they have to pay $50 sticker costs.
[2:42:21] They might go find some other ramp and just drop their boat into the lake.
[2:42:25] And we might miss that opportunity to screen them and spec them.
[2:42:28] So we have known we need to increase sticker prices, but we just have to consider the timing
[2:42:34] with that.
[2:42:35] These are the references for all the research that have done so far in Quacomussel, a lot
[2:42:38] of these resources are based on Amazon.
[2:42:42] Infestation.
[2:42:43] And with that, I'll take any questions.
[2:42:45] I apologize for the length of this, but I really think it was important to share what
[2:42:48] I know with the board and with the public about this issue.
[2:42:52] Thank you so much for your presentation.
[2:42:54] I want to make sure and check in with Director Bore, if you wanted to add anything, any concerns?
[2:43:00] Well, naturally we would be concerned with, you know, any of these getting into our intake systems and into our water supplies.
[2:43:07] I know that, you know, that a large amount of the perveires around full water out of the lake.
[2:43:13] So, if these become evasive and be get into the water system, they will impact the efficiency
[2:43:18] of being able to pull it out and whatever we need to put into the water to make sure
[2:43:23] that the larvae and everything else is killed.
[2:43:26] And we saw one of the slides up to $20,000 a day to try and flush these out through operation
[2:43:32] and maintenance of the infrastructure, so that's not something we want to look at increased
[2:43:37] costs.
[2:43:38] I appreciate the presentation, what I really appreciate is that we're always proactive in trying
[2:43:45] to keep these muscles out of the lake and not reactive, not sure if that's the only reason
[2:43:52] why we don't have any in the lake, but it's appreciated all the staff that we have here that
[2:43:58] do all the work at the ramps, checking in on boats, making sure that they're stickered up.
[2:44:03] If we do nothing, that would be foolish of us, especially the impact that way it would
[2:44:08] have not just on the infrastructure but our overall economy as we speak and so I always appreciate
[2:44:13] seeing you guys out there making sure that people are following the rules and appreciate the
[2:44:18] overall water resources perspective on being ahead of this rather than being behind it.
[2:44:25] Any comments? Questions? Yes. Supervisor Pyska.
[2:44:29] Equal parts thorough and terrifying. Thank you, Angela. Sorry, not sorry. I know. Well, I've been waiting
[2:44:36] for this presentation because I've been seeing it out there and I appreciate bringing all this
[2:44:42] information to us. So it sounds like to be as proactive as we have been and we want
[2:44:50] to continue to be because honestly anything we do upfront is a fraction of what we have
[2:44:55] to spend to deal with it because if we have the infestation and then have to...
[2:45:00] to quarantine and do all the work on our infrastructure. So, it sounds like this gap from the state with
[2:45:06] the elective emergency, language, grant availability. We're going to have to front load some
[2:45:11] of these asks. And so, are you bringing this to us? Are you thinking that mid-year budget or, okay?
[2:45:20] So, that's what we can expect to have a more thorough understanding. I do see someone walking around a more
[2:45:27] there's a person I wanted to see about that. Okay, okay good to know so that gives us some time
[2:45:32] or staff to look at that and I'm in to look over. Mr. Carter did you want us right now?
[2:45:38] I've been talking with Stephen about it nonstop like since a couple days ago so.
[2:45:42] Stephen Carter assisting County Ministry of Officer. We have looked at the specific policy section
[2:45:48] where water resources for cannabis tax. There is enough funding in the current year to take care of
[2:45:56] the request that water resources has. With the position in there, I'm not so sure about the ongoing for
[2:46:03] subsequent years, hopefully grants take over by then. So we have already affirmed that the money
[2:46:10] is there, and I would like it to know if your board is amenable to this or not, because
[2:46:17] mid-year budget isn't till the first week in February, but with the current budget water resources has,
[2:46:24] They can budget transfer around and do some activities now and then as soon as midyear
[2:46:30] It's finalized. We transfer the cannabis dollars to cover it if you're more it's not amenable
[2:46:36] We'll wait and not do anything until that time period
[2:46:40] I would suggest we bring this back as a item to continue and discuss and
[2:46:44] Potentially finalized sooner than later. I don't think this is a awaiting game. This is an action game
[2:46:52] looking for
[2:46:54] you have consensus. Supervisor Green. Thank you for the very thorough and yes, very terrifying
[2:47:02] presentation, but our last presentation was kind of scary too, so it's lock and
[2:47:08] loaded people. Let's look out for those muscles. Just a question for staff and counting
[2:47:13] counsel. I'm looking at our current water vessel inspection program ordinance. It looks like
[2:47:18] It's pretty well-written and covers not just the dressing-it-muscles,
[2:47:23] quagans, ebra, but any other aquatic non-native invasive species.
[2:47:27] So provided our fine inspectors get some training on golden muscles and stuff like that.
[2:47:31] The way I'm reading it, we have full authorization under our current ordinance to take any proactive
[2:47:37] measures needed to combat this on the ramps, but it could be wrong.
[2:47:41] And the reason I'm thinking out loud on that is if we do get close to needing an emergency
[2:47:48] prox, you know, do we have to wait for the actual
[2:47:51] infestation? Can we be proactive on that? Are we going to wait
[2:47:53] for the state to do things? The way I read this, and again,
[2:47:58] I'm looking forward to staff review of this in County
[2:48:00] Council, is I think our ordinance is strong enough the way
[2:48:03] it was written to authorize action on this now. But if it isn't
[2:48:10] strong enough, if we need to bake in some specific
[2:48:13] authorization to the Golden Mussels and emergency prop would help us do that to enforce
[2:48:20] that regulation because it isn't in here. I guess we would need that analysis sooner
[2:48:25] than later because to this very part if we do need an emergency prop to beef up the enforcement
[2:48:30] in this ordinance. Let's talk about that. But if this ordinance as it stands right now is strong enough
[2:48:36] to give you that flexibility then maybe we can wait and see what the state's going to do before
[2:48:40] we bake a local emergency.
[2:48:43] Does that make sense?
[2:48:46] You don't have to answer yes, but that was my question.
[2:48:48] Is our current ordinance strong enough
[2:48:50] that if we get training to our nice ramp monitors,
[2:48:53] we can totally use the existing authorization
[2:48:56] of this ordinance and the stickers and the tags
[2:48:58] and the fees and all that had to move ahead?
[2:49:01] Yeah, we'll do a, I'm gonna work with County Council
[2:49:03] and do a thorough dive to make sure that's covered.
[2:49:06] There is the ordinance and then there's another reference
[2:49:10] to part of the ordinance and other part of the county code.
[2:49:12] So I just want to make sure we're covered.
[2:49:15] And we also, in the state, it's told me
[2:49:17] but we also function on the intents of that ordinance.
[2:49:21] And so we're responding now based on the intent of that ordinance.
[2:49:26] But yeah, I need to work with county council.
[2:49:27] If it's something like just going through and changing
[2:49:29] from descended to other invasive muscles, that line
[2:49:32] throughout the ordinance, that's a pretty easy fix.
[2:49:34] If that's enough to address us.
[2:49:36] But if we want to do something with citation, limits or powers,
[2:49:39] that's something that I want to work with County Council, what would be the best thing
[2:49:42] if we're going to change an ordinance and go to that process of public review and border
[2:49:46] approval.
[2:49:46] I want to make sure I have everything right there.
[2:49:49] So thanks for that comment.
[2:49:50] Supervisor Green, and I will be reaching out to County Council to help me do that.
[2:49:54] Okay.
[2:49:57] That's mild and nodded.
[2:50:00] So, I'm making some assumptions. This is starting out in the Delta and the Delta has some while slow, very important projects that the state of California is working on and very controversial as well.
[2:50:15] But even as of this morning, they're looking to start embedding some pipelines, getting 140 million out of the $20 billion project to make water goes into towards Southern California.
[2:50:26] That tells me that either A, that might cancel that project or B, there's no way you can cancel that project and they're going to have to figure out what to do with those muscles.
[2:50:36] So I'm hoping that that means that generates a lot of interest from the state of California to wanting to do something to try to eliminate the problem before it gets out of control.
[2:50:46] More so than it is at this moment or just that there will be some funding to try and control these things.
[2:50:51] I'm hoping the Delta Project helps us out from the state perspective.
[2:50:56] We just did a grand jury report on the, not the ramp monitoring, but the fees.
[2:51:03] And looking at that line item that was there, I didn't really see too many fines and you
[2:51:11] were talking about maybe we need to increase the fines.
[2:51:13] Maybe we need to increase the enforcement of putting out the fines because I'm guessing that
[2:51:20] If we catch somebody without a sticker, we say, hey, go back and get a sticker or something
[2:51:23] like that.
[2:51:24] And we want to get people to meet compliance rather than hitting them with fines.
[2:51:30] And I don't know what that might look like, but I just know when I looked at those line
[2:51:34] items.
[2:51:34] There was very minimal.
[2:51:35] And I'm like, I know we're catching more than just what's there.
[2:51:39] And so maybe we need to take a harder stance to want to keep our late clean, especially
[2:51:44] if you're in the lake and you're found without stickers at that point.
[2:51:47] I don't know that there should even be a choice.
[2:51:48] If you're in the lake, you are putting others and our infrastructure potentially a danger.
[2:51:54] So I'd like to see how we can maybe enhance that enforcement by using what we already have on the books.
[2:52:00] The last, if you can explain again, I apologize for forgetting the specifics.
[2:52:04] On December 12, there is a California Department of Fish and Wildlife meeting that's happening.
[2:52:09] What are they looking to do to add the golden muscle to the list of species that can help you utilize your grants or access grants?
[2:52:18] Can you kind of help me remember?
[2:52:22] Yeah, and what I included in my slide,
[2:52:24] it slide 32 is the copy and paste
[2:52:26] from the Fish and Wildlife Task Force meeting.
[2:52:29] I didn't want to get anything incorrect in there.
[2:52:31] So the current California Fish and Wildlife Code
[2:52:36] doesn't even list golden muscles as a restricted species.
[2:52:40] So at the state level, they also have no authority
[2:52:44] in their legislative, in their legal framework
[2:52:46] to be able to start a program for Golden Muscle Prevention or dedicate funds or list it on
[2:52:52] put it on watch list. So they're putting to the, they put together emergency package. It's
[2:52:57] all available online if you go to the Fish and Wildlife Commission for the next meeting on December
[2:53:02] 12th and you go down to the agenda item, the whole package is there of what they're asking and
[2:53:07] the language updates. They're requesting in the Fish and Wildlife Code. So then that the
[2:53:12] and muscles now considered restricted species, I don't know if this will trickle to other language
[2:53:21] in the legislative angles and specific grant projects or grant programs. I think they all
[2:53:28] have to do that separately. I don't know if that's a one stop. It's the first step for fish and wildlife
[2:53:35] because right now they can't even give authority to their own staff to go out and do management.
[2:53:40] They're doing monitoring, but that's what they recognize as the first step and might be the first domino for everything else.
[2:53:47] Yeah, it'll help set it up. Personally, I would really like if they just go to the governor and ask for a emergency declaration at this point,
[2:53:55] particularly the item you brought up about the Delta Project and the Amazon, these muscles spread by sand being moved from areas.
[2:54:02] So we know that there's a lot of dredging in the delta for those water projects and any
[2:54:08] of that can contain a bunch of golden muscles that are then moved around the state.
[2:54:12] We also don't know the full extent because if it wasn't on the restricted list was fish and
[2:54:16] wildlife monitoring it, was the Department of Water Resources monitoring for them around the
[2:54:20] entire state and all of their water project.
[2:54:22] We don't even know that.
[2:54:23] So we're still waiting for the extent of this and I don't know if fish and wildlife
[2:54:27] is waiting for that to see, I guess, to be blunt, is it worth it? Or, you know, what their
[2:54:32] next step would be based on the full extent of it? So I hope that answered your question. And
[2:54:37] if anybody wants to make comments that the Fish and Game Commission meeting, that's December 12 for
[2:54:42] that. And what, and I appreciate that. Thank you very much. I know that we've been working a lot,
[2:54:48] especially in the Blue Ribbon Committee with Eric Scholar, and he has been the President of Fish
[2:54:54] wildlife is he's still on the board. I think so I think he's a chair, but I am not a hundred percent.
[2:55:00] That's what I'm thinking. I just haven't updated to see if anything has changed. And I'm just looking for, I think we need to reach out to Mr. Skalar, let him know our concern and let him know the importance of what Fish and Wildlife will be discussing and to ensure that they start off that first domino to start getting the support that we're looking for from the state level.
[2:55:23] And so I'm looking for board consensus for one of us to reach out to Eric Skalar.
[2:55:31] The Blue Ribbon Committee meets Monday or the Coral meeting, so that's where we can approach them for this.
[2:55:37] But the meetings on December 12, which would be two days from now, which would be Thursday, and I think somebody who interacts with them quite often, especially through the Blue Ribbon Committee,
[2:55:46] If it's possible to reach out to them and just let them know our concern, if that's not possible, I'm happy to do that as well and let them know.
[2:55:54] And let me know if you get anything from me to write up or anything to make it easier or faster.
[2:55:59] Okay.
[2:56:00] And is there consensus from the board to go ahead and do that?
[2:56:03] I think we use our relationships that we have.
[2:56:06] And since he's working always hand in hand here in Lake County, let's make sure to communicate with them.
[2:56:11] concerning, glad there's nothing here at this moment in time, but thank you very much.
[2:56:18] I always appreciate the reports, you don't hide things, you don't skirt around things,
[2:56:25] we need to know what's going on and we need to know how best to handle the situation that
[2:56:29] we have.
[2:56:29] No time to lose.
[2:56:31] I'm going to start off with.
[2:56:33] Okay.
[2:56:34] All right.
[2:56:34] Supervisor Green.
[2:56:35] To your point, I see lots of, again, in the ordinance, I see lots of enforcement goodies in there for everything from summary abatement to impounding boats administrative penalties and all that, but I don't recall, you know, if it was an administrative penalty, that'd be a code enforcement thing, I see the sheriff has some authority in here to do misdemeanor enforcement, so there's a wide range of enforcement in here, including administrative citations.
[2:57:02] What I don't know is water resources current capacity to impose any of those panels. We do
[2:57:07] Yes, we issue administrative citations
[2:57:09] You do and pretty much all of them have been paid or upheld by the board and that's using water. These staff
[2:57:15] No, it's myself my technician or the
[2:57:19] Director
[2:57:21] Okay, certainly other coordinators do in the department. Yeah
[2:57:24] So how's that work in real life if they flag a boat?
[2:57:27] they have to put a call in to you or Pawn and say come on out and do a citation.
[2:57:32] Yep. And the ordinance language and the citation also give us power to send a citation
[2:57:37] if the boat's not present in front of us. So if what usually happens and we have a couple
[2:57:43] boats a few weeks ago is if there's a boat that a trailer in the parking lot that wants to
[2:57:48] boat and there's no stickers on the trailer and they have warning, they've gotten warnings.
[2:57:53] We've a record of that, or they have a warning card, and they don't have a current sticker, we can send them a citation.
[2:58:01] If they just didn't put the current sticker on their trailer, but they have the paperwork, they send it back with their citation I rip it up.
[2:58:07] Because it means they want to the process, but that doesn't happen that often.
[2:58:11] Usually if they get a citation from not having a sticker, my rant monitors are really thorough.
[2:58:16] There are a lot of these guys live in the area. They know the boats that come and go. They know who the boats are.
[2:58:19] They know if there's a boat from out of town, also if it's a risk boat, you know, where it's from,
[2:58:25] if it doesn't come up in the database at all, there's also a part in the database to put in trailer
[2:58:29] information too. So at this point it's to the extent there's any enforcement. It's all sites all the time,
[2:58:35] admin sites, and we are pursuing those other enforcement options. Marine Patrol can also cite boats
[2:58:40] on the lake. And that is one thing I need to do. We have a new sheriff. I had any dev conversations
[2:58:45] with them. Our main patrol staff has been trained and they're, you know, they're also limited
[2:58:51] staff. So they don't have guys out there looking at every single boat, particularly during the
[2:58:55] off season. But they do issue citations. The state parks is really, they love given citations out.
[2:59:02] It seems like because they're really thorough. I guess isn't I sort of say that. Sorry.
[2:59:07] I provide a assignment. Yeah, appreciate the report. And obviously a lot's happened to
[2:59:11] I spoke with you a little bit about this issue on the first day, so.
[2:59:15] So thank you very much for that, but what I was going to say today is, you know, when
[2:59:20] the report there, you know, they were saying there are some work needs to be done, some other
[2:59:23] things, there is no funding.
[2:59:25] I'd like to commit out of my discretionary funds and work with that man to do that $20,000
[2:59:30] to help.
[2:59:31] Any stop gaps while the board has a chance to bring it back and address something in the budget
[2:59:36] or the state makes some changes.
[2:59:37] Because we're really important to always talk about it.
[2:59:40] The lake is one of our most valuable assets needs to be protected.
[2:59:44] So I'm going to work with Admin and hopefully give you some funds.
[2:59:46] I don't tell you how to spend it, but you guys can figure that out.
[2:59:50] But hopefully it can help with the stop gap in the meantime.
[2:59:53] So I'd like to be able to do that.
[2:59:54] Thank you very much, supervisor Simon.
[2:59:56] We're supposed to be giving you a good buy going away gift.
[2:59:58] But thank you so much for that.
[3:00:00] We'll talk with Admin and I'll talk with my staff on the best way that you do that right now.
[3:00:06] And I'll make one final comment before opening up for public comment. I know that I've already, I know you're working on it, working with property owners.
[3:00:15] But we do have a lot of signage throughout the county entrances. But a lot of those signs are slowly fading, either falling apart.
[3:00:22] So I think that's important work to make sure that that signage remains so that as people enter into the communities that they're being hit with those signs.
[3:00:32] So,
[3:00:32] CalTrans encroachment permits take a long time.
[3:00:35] Expect a letter for me at some point asking the board to ask Fish and Wildlife to enter a cooperative agreement with CalTrans or do something.
[3:00:43] So when there's invasive species signage, it can just be put up with a notification and out having to go through the standard like month month encroachment permit process review.
[3:00:52] That would be just foreshadowing, but thanks for bringing that up.
[3:00:57] Let's work on that. Let's work on that.
[3:00:59] All right, let's open it up for public comment.
[3:01:00] Anyone from the public wish to speak on this item.
[3:01:04] Please come up to the microphone, please.
[3:01:07] Or raise your hand in Zoom.
[3:01:11] You mentioned training.
[3:01:14] I want to congratulate Angela and Corey.
[3:01:17] We go through an extensive training program on invasive species.
[3:01:21] not only muscle but plant life and snails.
[3:01:26] We cover pretty much everything it's out there
[3:01:29] and we're trained to look for it.
[3:01:31] That's all I had to say.
[3:01:33] Was your name for the record please?
[3:01:35] Frank.
[3:01:35] Lovings.
[3:01:36] L-E-V.
[3:01:37] I-N-G-S.
[3:01:39] Thank you, sir.
[3:01:41] Any other comment on this item?
[3:01:46] Seeing none, I'll bring it back to the board.
[3:01:48] We've already given the consensus to go ahead
[3:01:50] and bring back that canned grant proposal
[3:01:53] proposal as soon as possible and one of us that it looks like Vice Chair Krandell might be the
[3:02:00] one to reach out to Eric Scholar, the potential chair of the Fish and Wildlife, let them know
[3:02:05] our concerns and what we would like to get from the state. And just one last long as you're here
[3:02:12] it's very rare and I can get you all on the same room. Thank you so much for your hard work freezing out
[3:02:16] there, baking out there, you are the front lines and I've seen you out on the front lines,
[3:02:23] I appreciate you all very much.
[3:02:27] Thank you very much.
[3:02:28] Thank you.
[3:02:29] All right.
[3:02:30] And with that, we're going to go ahead and head and close down this item.
[3:02:33] Really appreciate the report.
[3:02:34] Looking forward to more discussions.
[3:02:36] Thank you so much, Board.
[3:02:37] Thank you.
[3:02:38] County Council.
[3:02:39] Thank you, sir.
[3:02:39] And we will go ahead and take a lunch.
[3:02:42] We will reconvene this meeting at one PM.
[3:02:45] I'm
[3:02:59] sorry, but we're still at the link to the review
[3:03:05] line.
[3:03:06] Yes.
[3:03:14] Okay.
[3:07:24] Looks like we're back and ready to go. Sam, we're good. Welcome back. Thank you, everyone, for being here. We are continuing on where we left off item 6.10, one PM, consideration of agreement between county of lake and smart easy pay ink. Also known as easy smart pay. We have our treasure tax collector and we also have C-SAC Finance Corporation here. If you want to come up as well that way if we have any questions, you can be in the comfort zone.
[3:07:56] Welcome and good afternoon.
[3:08:01] Patrick Sullivan, Treasure Tax Collector, and I'm here with Chase Broffman from the C-Sect
[3:08:05] front-hand incorporation in the E.C. SmartPay. So this item is to consider agreement for
[3:08:11] E.C. SmartPay. This is a program that came out of C-SAC originally. It's goal is to allow
[3:08:18] people to make taxpayers to make monthly payments. Right now we don't have an option for taxpayers
[3:08:24] to pay property taxes and installments. Beyond the first and second that's permitted
[3:08:29] under R&T code. This program would allow taxpayers that opportunity to break those payments out
[3:08:36] into 12 monthly installments. Then for each of those installments, Smart EasyPay would make
[3:08:42] those payments via wire to the county. Just a few points to highlight about this program.
[3:08:49] Many other counties have already gone to it. I did have some questions when it originally came
[3:08:54] my attention. There are some elements of the service that I did not think would necessarily
[3:08:59] be valuable to Lake County. There was the ability to make installment payments directly
[3:09:04] to Easy SmartPay. We don't really require that. We have the ability to take those payments directly
[3:09:09] via credit card or electronic payment. But we'll be really don't have any access to as
[3:09:15] their kind of flagship product, the monthly payments. One of the other questions I had was about
[3:09:22] how they run their investment program.
[3:09:25] They use a model that's very similar to the requirements
[3:09:27] that treasure tax collectors operate under in government code.
[3:09:33] But because they are not licensed or regulated
[3:09:37] in the way that we are as a private entity,
[3:09:40] they would have the ability to do things differently
[3:09:43] than we do.
[3:09:43] And maybe engage in one of the concerns I had
[3:09:46] was that they may be able to engage in investments
[3:09:48] that would not be in keeping with our practices.
[3:09:51] So, one of the things that we worked out was that there would be notice, if they were to change their practices,
[3:09:57] that notice will be provided to the county so that we would have the opportunity.
[3:10:00] I need to get out of the program if we felt that was appropriate. I mean, I have no reason to believe that would actually happen, but it's just one of the things I wanted to cover before I considered bringing it to your board.
[3:10:12] So that's the rough background of the program. If you have specific questions about the program itself, or want to hear more detail, in case it's happy to provide that.
[3:10:23] You have any further comments before we open it up for the board?
[3:10:29] I thank Mr. Sullivan for his due diligence along this process.
[3:10:33] Thank you, Chair Savati, and members of the board for taking the time to hear this item.
[3:10:37] Yeah, as Mr. Sullivan mentioned, this was born out of the CSAC Finance Corporation.
[3:10:41] This is a program that counties wanted.
[3:10:44] We understand that you have legislative as well as operational constraints when it comes to offering partial payment for property tax.
[3:10:50] And so that's really what this program was started out of.
[3:10:54] This is no cost to constituents to enroll.
[3:10:56] There's no onboard.
[3:10:58] It continues cost to them, except for the exact property tax bill.
[3:11:01] Of course, there's the applicable transaction rates,
[3:11:04] which are the lowest in the state.
[3:11:05] 0% if they use ACH and 1.99 if they use a credit or debit card.
[3:11:11] And so this has been adopted by 33 of the 58 counties.
[3:11:15] We've heard very good feedback from treasure tax collectors,
[3:11:18] as well as constituents like that they appreciate the service, so I appreciate your consideration
[3:11:22] today looking at this item and I look forward to a potential partnership with Lake County
[3:11:26] Mr. Sullivan's office and adding this value to your constituents. Thank you very much.
[3:11:33] Any comments or questions from board members? Supervisor Pyskay.
[3:11:40] This is a need that we've had for a long time with our constituents. It is really difficult to make
[3:11:45] those payments twice a year for some folks so I appreciate this and I also know that our treasure
[3:11:50] tax collection, put a lot of effort into finding a level of comfort here,
[3:11:55] lined out, so I appreciate both of you for putting that time in.
[3:11:59] Thank you.
[3:12:00] Supervisor Green?
[3:12:02] Yeah, just a super quick question.
[3:12:04] I see the monthly is there in there, but semi-annual is not.
[3:12:06] I said a technological hurdle, or is that not part of your business model?
[3:12:12] It's on.
[3:12:13] Yeah, I would take responsibility for that aspect that you're noting there.
[3:12:17] Smart EasyPay does have the ability to take those semi-annual payments, but I requested that
[3:12:23] those not be included for Lake County, partially because as I stated we have the ability
[3:12:28] to take those payments, when we take them they go directly into our bank account, where we're
[3:12:33] then able to invest them and earn those returns. So if Smart EasyPay were to take those large
[3:12:38] installment payments for us, I don't find for Lake County taxpayers, there's a significant
[3:12:44] added benefit because we already offer that service and the risk to the county is that's where
[3:12:49] we lose the opportunity for interest in other investment earnings by limiting it to the monthly
[3:12:56] payments. It restricts a number of people who would probably utilize this program. It would be those
[3:13:01] that have previously expressed the need. I mean, we're aware there's that need out there. There is
[3:13:06] that request, but those making the full installment payments early are unlikely in our opinion to be in
[3:13:13] need. So yes, it was by design that we restricted that to ensure the impact to our investment
[3:13:21] program would be minimal.
[3:13:28] Thank you for that. Any other further questions or comments?
[3:13:32] Seeing none, I've spoken with Chase most recently at the conference that we were at, I guess I should
[3:13:38] preface it with. I appreciate everything that CSEC does and attempts to do, but I just can't get on board
[3:13:44] with this one. I appreciate the work that's already been done to minimize the risk to the county
[3:13:52] as well as the individuals, but I would suspect that most people that want to do monthly payments
[3:13:59] probably have more of a struggling financial status than those that can just pay off the
[3:14:06] by annual payments. And the fact that you are not necessarily a bank, you don't have FDIC coverage,
[3:14:15] you don't necessarily have, yes, you might tell us that you're going to change your investment
[3:14:23] style. But what does that do to those individuals that are involved and already have given you
[3:14:31] money does that mean that automatically their money comes back? If we cancel, does that mean that
[3:14:35] They might have the chance to benefit or lose from that change in investment style.
[3:14:41] I just, if it was more like a bank situation with some extra coverage,
[3:14:45] I don't feel creating a risk for those potentially already in risk is what I see as the best.
[3:14:51] And I would also assume that, and the reason I say that is because we would be advocating that this is a program that you can use.
[3:14:59] We're not advocating.
[3:15:00] For any other banks in the area, and if you happen to be able to sell this product directly to the consumer, then at that point, that's between you and the consumer and the county doesn't get in the middle of it.
[3:15:10] But if I'm going to tell a constituent, hey, as a county, I'm telling you that this program is here, but there's risks and something happens, then I feel like that's not us trying to provide the best guidance to our constituents.
[3:15:25] And so I know that you and I had discussed this.
[3:15:28] I've been pretty consistent on my comments
[3:15:31] and today's just not the day that I can support this.
[3:15:35] If there's no further comment, I'm going to open up for public comment.
[3:15:39] Anyone wish to speak on this item?
[3:15:43] Raise your hand in Zoom.
[3:15:44] Come on up to the microphone and the chamber.
[3:15:47] Seeing none and neither one, I'll bring it back to the board for action.
[3:15:54] I can see recommended action on the staff report.
[3:15:57] So I'm kind of struggling with the form of the motion.
[3:16:04] Sorry, so the recommended action would be to approve the agreement and authorize the chair to sign.
[3:16:11] So moved.
[3:16:12] Second.
[3:16:13] We have a motion in a second.
[3:16:14] All in favor?
[3:16:15] Aye.
[3:16:15] Any opposed?
[3:16:17] Nay.
[3:16:17] Motion carries.
[3:16:19] Thank you very much.
[3:16:19] Thank you.
[3:16:27] All right, we're going to take up item.
[3:16:29] I don't believe she came back.
[3:16:32] So we are going to take up item 7.5.
[3:16:35] Consideration of a resolution approving a memorandum of understanding MOU
[3:16:38] between the regions of the University of California Agriculture and Natural Resources and the County of Lake or am I moving too fast?
[3:16:47] Yes, I'd be waiting for Mr. Barnes.
[3:16:49] Yes, please.
[3:16:50] I apologize.
[3:16:52] And I guess let's go ahead and take up Item 7.2.
[3:16:56] Consideration of appointment of District 4 Supervisor Michael Green to the Lake County Board of Supervisors
[3:17:00] Chair for Remainter of his term.
[3:17:03] just a little caveat clarification. This would be as of 1217, not after the decision made today,
[3:17:10] meaning in two minutes that would take effect. And so just a brief summary based on the memo that I
[3:17:17] already wrote, Mr. Green has been with us since October of 2022.
[3:17:25] And I've appreciated his presence
[3:17:28] in addition to the team, and since he will no longer be a Board of Supervisor as of January
[3:17:34] upon swearing in new officers, I wanted to give him the chance to be a Board Chair, even
[3:17:41] though it would be a very minuscule amount of time.
[3:17:45] And so I was hoping to vacate my seat as of the next meeting, and I let him take the lead with
[3:17:50] Vice Chair Crando remaining in his Vice Chair position.
[3:17:54] I did speak with Vice Chair Crando, just to make sure that that was appropriate and
[3:17:58] and to be offensive to do that, so I did not get to speak with Mr. Green, Supervisor Green,
[3:18:04] which means that it was a bit of a surprise to see this on the agenda. But as you know,
[3:18:09] the Brown Act prohibits us from speaking to too many people. And so I just wanted to open that up
[3:18:13] for discussion and see what the board's will is.
[3:18:20] Vice Chair Crember.
[3:18:21] Obviously I agree with this, so I think it would be a good going thing for him to have.
[3:18:28] I know, you've spent probably like three times as chair, right, too.
[3:18:32] No, one time, just a pandemic.
[3:18:34] Secondly, second time was going to be this year.
[3:18:36] So, that's a pandemic was good enough for me.
[3:18:40] I got a lot of lovely notes during that year.
[3:18:43] So, there's a shocking.
[3:18:44] Just continues year after year.
[3:18:48] All right.
[3:18:49] And I thank, thank, chair Sabate for thinking of me.
[3:18:53] I thank you, Zepropia term.
[3:18:55] And I certainly be delighted to hold the gavel once if the board so wills.
[3:19:00] but I feel it's up to you to make that decision and not me.
[3:19:05] So, thank you very much.
[3:19:06] I want to open it up for public comments on this item.
[3:19:09] Anyone wish to speak on this item?
[3:19:13] I see no movement in the chamber, no hands in the zone room,
[3:19:15] bring it back to the board for action.
[3:19:19] And again, it's possible with the caveat
[3:19:22] of as of the meeting of 1217.
[3:19:25] Mr. Chair, I move to a point supervisor,
[3:19:27] Michael Green to chair of the board of supervisors for the meeting for the rest of his
[3:19:33] term starting on the December 17 meeting. Is that good? County Council will say yes.
[3:19:41] Second. We have a motion in a second. All in favor. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you.
[3:19:50] And we still have 15 minutes. Let's see if we can get through our weekly calendars. So 7.1 we'll
[3:19:55] start with Supervisor Green.
[3:20:00] I guess I'm sharing next week. It's not meeting with CAO Parker. What is the chair normally meet with CAO Parker, CAO Parker?
[3:20:14] I guess we'll get back to me on that. Okay. Big Valley is having a grand opening of their fuel center and that's super exciting.
[3:20:23] 11. The two I believe it is. I see a special meeting of first five Lake in the afternoon.
[3:20:32] I hope that's in Lakeport. I have a medical appointment on Thursday. I'm alternate but on Monday
[3:20:40] I see a meeting for Blue Ribbon Committee. Is that right? Yeah. And, uh, to be included. Okay.
[3:20:47] I guess I'll be meeting with CAO Parker. Also on Monday and probably sometime maybe lucky Friday
[3:20:53] the 13th to go over agenda stuff.
[3:20:56] And that's about all I got.
[3:20:58] So I'm actually going to cut off our calendars.
[3:21:00] I see that I don't have my glasses,
[3:21:02] but I believe it's director Jones that just came in.
[3:21:04] I want to make sure we get to her item.
[3:21:05] She's been waiting all day, and I apologize
[3:21:07] that we could not get to it earlier.
[3:21:09] And so we're going to shift over to item 7.4.
[3:21:14] Consideration of agreement between County of Lake
[3:21:16] and Archway recovery services for ASAM levels 3.13.23.3.35.
[3:21:21] and with draw management levels one and two in the amount of $1,750,000 for fiscal year
[3:21:28] 2425, director Jones.
[3:21:29] Thank you so much, Chair Spatier.
[3:21:32] As your board in the community is aware, like Kenny Behavioral Health Services joined the
[3:21:36] Drug Medical Organized Delivery System on July 1st of this year.
[3:21:42] Probably we are six months in, one of our biggest barriers to overcome for successful implementation
[3:21:49] was detoxification, residential treatment services, so there are people who need medical
[3:21:55] level intervention and a residential setting to get healthy and were required by the state
[3:22:00] to provide that service. Those services are the costs are enumerated in the contract. Their
[3:22:07] industry standard, we did a request for qualifications from all continues, counties,
[3:22:17] Contiguous to Lake County who are licensed with a state to provide these services and did outreach to them to determine if they would do that if they would contract with us
[3:22:26] And so this represents the first a contract that's a result of that
[3:22:30] Request for qualifications process and we're very excited to bring this service on board for our benefit series. Thank you
[3:22:37] Thank you very much
[3:22:38] Do you the site? It's in Fairfield?
[3:22:41] Yes, they have their corporate office there and then they actually have a
[3:22:46] campus, a treatment campus, on the state hospital campus, and they're expanding facilities.
[3:22:53] So that's where their main business administration is in forfield.
[3:22:56] Thank you very much.
[3:22:57] Are there any questions and comments from board members?
[3:23:00] Supervisor Green?
[3:23:03] Just the acronym I know recognize ASM.
[3:23:06] Oh yes.
[3:23:08] Addiction Society, but you got me on the $100 question there, sir.
[3:23:13] It's the Society of Addiction Medicine and Treatment.
[3:23:15] ACM is a nationally recognized and accredited standard of treatment.
[3:23:21] So, these are levels of care?
[3:23:24] Yes, it's a 3.7 specifically, ACM level 3.7.
[3:23:30] Oh, that clarifies it. Thank you.
[3:23:35] Just a brief question. I apologize for not asking this earlier to you.
[3:23:40] How many patients are we looking that will be taken care of with this 1.75 million?
[3:23:46] I don't see a breakdown of cost per hour. It's obviously going to be based on billables.
[3:23:53] It is based on their availability. So we did not purchase or lease a bed. That's not a good business
[3:24:01] practice. We're in a queue and when they have beds available, if they have one that's for late
[3:24:08] county because they have to serve their home county first. They will reach out to other counties
[3:24:14] and offer them a bed and then in a case-by-case basis not every person is right for the
[3:24:18] same type of program so that's why it's nice to have a variety of different facilities and
[3:24:23] millions so it's projected to be at very high utilization because we have incredible detoxification
[3:24:31] needs so we wanted to make sure we had sufficient contract coverage to meet that anticipated
[3:24:39] increasing demand. and then so we pay them for the services provided and we get
[3:24:45] reimbursed through Medica that's correct. And is that at a at a hundred percent.
[3:24:49] It is at a pass through depending upon that person's aid code whether or not
[3:24:53] they have traditional Medica or American Expansion ACACACA.
[3:25:00] The coverage, it's a very complex algorithm, unfortunately.
[3:25:04] Right. Okay. What we need this, but I'd love to see the outcomes and hear about how many patients,
[3:25:10] how many people we sent over there, their success rates, and the overall reimbursement did we,
[3:25:19] did we have a wash of what was spent and what we received, or what was the the loss to your department,
[3:25:26] because of that, obviously, the community benefits and gains, but just until we can't know
[3:25:33] for sure, but this is needed.
[3:25:35] So, Mr. Chair, if I may, in response, you may be, you're familiar with the EQRO assessment
[3:25:44] that all the acronyms have gone from my mind for some reason.
[3:25:48] But anyways, it's an annual assessment.
[3:25:50] It's a health check on our mental health plan, so you've seen it for our mental health plan.
[3:25:54] Well, as opting into the drug medical ODS, now it's a combined EQRO.
[3:26:00] So you'll get a total health plan report next time.
[3:26:04] The ODS thing has made some great changes, so really happy that we made those changes.
[3:26:08] So thank you so much. Big number, but big needs. So we'll take a look at that and
[3:26:13] happy to prove this and move it forward. Opening up for public comments. Anyone wishes to speak on this item.
[3:26:20] I see no movement in the chamber, I see no hands in the zoom room, bring it back to the board for action.
[3:26:29] Mr. Chair, I move to approval agreement between County of Lake and archway recovery services for ASM levels 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.5.
[3:26:38] And withdrawal management levels 1 into an amount of $1,750,000 for fiscal year 2425 in authorized board chair to sign the agreement.
[3:26:47] We have a motion in a second.
[3:26:50] I'll in favor.
[3:26:51] Aye.
[3:26:51] Any opposed?
[3:26:52] Motion carries.
[3:26:53] Thank you for coming back and glad we were able to get you in.
[3:26:58] I see that Mr. Barnes is also in the back, so let's go ahead and take up item 7.5.
[3:27:02] Consideration of a resolution approving a memorandum of understanding between the regions
[3:27:06] of the University of California Agriculture and Natural Resources and the County of Lake
[3:27:09] for a partnership for the provision of the University of California Cooperative Extension Program
[3:27:14] I'm an authorizing the County Administrative Officer to sign the MOU on behalf of the county.
[3:27:20] We have Mr. Carter and Mr. Barnes from UC Extension.
[3:27:47] That's very different.
[3:28:16] There we go.
[3:28:17] Good afternoon.
[3:28:18] Good afternoon.
[3:28:20] Good afternoon.
[3:28:20] Board.
[3:28:21] Thank you for your time today.
[3:28:24] Matthew Barnes County Director.
[3:28:25] slash area director, UCCE, late county, here today to present the partnership agreement between
[3:28:34] the University of California Cooperative Extension and the county of Blake for the term
[3:28:40] of 2025 to 2030.
[3:28:55] Okay, so before we get started, just want to acknowledge the Cooperative Extension Office
[3:29:01] the UC grants and contracts department for their assistance on this. Also appreciations for the guidance and support of CAO Parker and the admin office and to the board who provided valuable input during the process of putting this together.
[3:29:24] Today I'm just going to go over a bit of historical context, how we've got here, and just a few key innovations that we've updated in the MLU.
[3:29:41] So the historical context here, the partnership is long-standing since 1921 University of California Cooperative Extension, part of the Land Grant University System.
[3:29:56] So our farm advisors have...
[3:30:00] I have been here in Lake County consulting and providing research throughout the evolution of Lake County's agricultural journey.
[3:30:12] Currently, we're working off of the 1963 MOU that provided the foundational partnership for the how we work together.
[3:30:25] So today,
[3:30:33] with this new MOU, we hope to provide a advanced structure and program plan that's going to ensure that the enduring impact here is driven for the next five years and then building off that through
[3:30:54] Lake County's agriculture, youth development, and into sustainable land stewardship.
[3:31:06] So the first key innovation here in the updated MOU, we plan to strengthen our communication
[3:31:13] and reporting to the Board of Supervisors and also to the community.
[3:31:20] We, in Section 3F, you'll find that under our responsibilities we will be reporting a detailed
[3:31:27] plan of work and a for the upcoming year and a detailed report of work for the previous year.
[3:31:37] This expands on the summary of work that we currently provide.
[3:31:47] Through advance outreach and
[3:31:49] communication we hope the result will be further collaborations within county departments and
[3:31:57] with county stakeholders, so our report of work can be informed and collaborative.
[3:32:16] The rest of the innovations here can be found in attachment A, which is our program plan
[3:32:26] of work and integration of research-based expertise.
[3:32:30] What we want to do is collaborate with the county and the county departments at the planning level, whether that be RFP planning, program planning.
[3:32:47] So we can provide a cost savings for the county through access to our most up to date research and expertise.
[3:33:03] Next, and this would be a first for cooperative extensions out of the 58 counties we serve is to include an emergency response support in our MOU.
[3:33:16] So what we envision here is providing technical expertise in post recovery services, whether that be a fire and earthquake, environmental impacts.
[3:33:30] So, an example of that would be areas like soil and water testing and in post recovery, agricultural
[3:33:39] impact assessments,
[3:33:43] the our viticulture advisor is currently doing studies on smoke tank
[3:33:51] for great vines, so that's something that has been common.
[3:33:56] So the
[3:33:59] role would remain advisory and align with our mission and resources.
[3:34:13] Also first in the 58 counties we serve would be to include the Tribal Nations Collaborations.
[3:34:23] Remaining an advisory role, we want to respect tribal sovereignty and build our collaborative
[3:34:35] efforts with the tribes of Lake County.
[3:34:40] We believe that doing this will facilitate collaborative projects with the county and
[3:34:48] we can really be the bridge between some of the environmental impact projects.
[3:35:00] So, beginning in January, we'll be launching our next 100 years campaign in Lake County, enhancing public outreach with materials that align with our board presentations.
[3:35:15] We would like to schedule monthly presentations here to the board that will showcase each of our academic advisors as well as our programs.
[3:35:27] And
[3:35:34] overall, as you know, it's been about six months since I've been here, but from what I've seen in Lake County is just really collaborative with our programs, from the pair and walnut boards to the wine alliance to our board itself, it's I think there is a bright future of collaboration here.
[3:35:59] So with that, I will open up to any specific questions or concerns.
[3:36:05] Thank you, Mr. Barnes.
[3:36:06] Supervisor Piska.
[3:36:08] So I appreciate this presentation, building on the meeting that we had.
[3:36:15] Supervisor Simon and I had with you and your team about the month ago or so.
[3:36:20] And I think bringing those board presentations monthly, so that we're really aware of what the new programs are,
[3:36:26] the new board members are aware, our new directors, we have a lot of new staff, I think
[3:36:30] there are a lot of ways that we can collaborate and cross support.
[3:36:34] So thank you for squeezing that in.
[3:36:36] I know that was probably the biggest thing that came out of our meeting today.
[3:36:40] Absolutely.
[3:36:43] Yeah, so thank you.
[3:36:45] I'm great.
[3:36:46] Supervisor Green.
[3:36:48] You're just a technical point, so there's a Reso and there's an MOU and within the
[3:36:52] we authorized CAO Parker to sign the MOU,
[3:36:57] but on the Reso, I see signature lines for CAO Parker's
[3:37:00] the clerk to the board and also for the board chair
[3:37:03] to sign the Reso like normal.
[3:37:06] So it all looks right, but I just want to make sure
[3:37:08] all the signature lines are right, and that the,
[3:37:10] you won't be emotional, just be offering the
[3:37:12] resolution will be sufficient.
[3:37:14] Yes?
[3:37:15] No?
[3:37:16] It would be sufficient, yes.
[3:37:18] I believe so.
[3:37:21] everything looks good to me I learned a little bit by just even reading
[3:37:26] over the MOU in the first place looks like you get funding twice a year and then
[3:37:32] that's how you expend the funds that we have. There was conversation at
[3:37:37] least or on the memo it brought up financials but this doesn't change the budget
[3:37:42] process that we already have just what's things in writing correct okay I just wanted
[3:37:48] check on that just because that's important to make sure we understand that there is one small
[3:37:53] typo that I just want to make sure when we offer the resolution it's as amended and the second
[3:37:57] line it should say agriculture and natural resources and if we can just get that into the
[3:38:03] offering of the resolution as amended that would be great and if there's nothing further let's
[3:38:09] open it up for public comment if we Johanna is it possible to stop sharing the screen thank you
[3:38:17] Please come on up.
[3:38:25] Good afternoon.
[3:38:25] My name is Ron Montez.
[3:38:28] Well, actually, I run Montez.
[3:38:31] Luchica, Gabena Boy.
[3:38:35] My name is Ron Montez.
[3:38:36] I'm an elder from the Gabena Boy Tribe,
[3:38:39] which you know as the Mission or Big Valley Rancheria.
[3:38:43] My questions on this was a heard portion of this presentation
[3:38:50] was to have a cooperative relationship with tribal communities and their involvement in the
[3:39:00] processes that are in place for the funding to go forward with everyone's recommendation and so on.
[3:39:10] Now I was wondering that in my area of knowledge, I don't know of any relationships that are built.
[3:39:20] that I know of personally, I hear things, and I hear things about structures that bypass
[3:39:31] a lot of the main tribal input, and it looks good on the outside, but there's a missing
[3:39:40] component in a lot of those, but I just wanted to make sure that you're aware of the perception
[3:39:47] in our travel communities is not involvement with you.
[3:39:54] It is very limited in that place of involvement.
[3:40:00] To access any of the benefits or to have any input into those services or those ways of working with the agricultural community that would benefit our people.
[3:40:13] The only benefit we have, that's far, is to work labor, manual labor, and no place to
[3:40:24] do we make decisions on how and on the long nets and the grapes or any of those things
[3:40:30] are to be handled or not much information at all on my level.
[3:40:37] And I'm not sure what is in place because of I'm just now coming to be aware that this is in place and it's so it's kind of a question for me that maybe after this you can enlighten me a little bit more on how that would impact our tribal communities because we want to be involved from every level so that we have a table or place at the table
[3:41:06] to hear and to offer our input and to hear. We are living in a time of trying to make our
[3:41:14] nation a place of unity and strength that we could move forward as one people. And we need
[3:41:21] to be included in those decisions and the information that flows so that we can stand with you
[3:41:29] and you stand with us so that we can see the same things and encourage one another to make
[3:41:36] good decisions. That's just my input. Thank you. Thank you for your comment.
[3:41:42] So, Barnes, would you like to respond on what your plan is for that?
[3:41:46] Yeah, absolutely. And thank you for your comment. As a representative of the UC Cooperative
[3:41:51] Extension, I agree 100% and I see the same thing from the university and the university itself
[3:42:01] also sees that they have put forth a report called the land grab document, which details
[3:42:10] the origins of the UC Cooperative Extension System, and by putting this into the county
[3:42:18] and MOU is the first step of what's going to be ongoing outreach with each individual tribe,
[3:42:26] Not necessarily with the goal of advising and per se, but listening first and seeing where the collaborations are and where our academic advisors and programs can add value for each tribe.
[3:42:44] So, thank you for your comment.
[3:42:47] Thank you for your response, and I think that's the value of also having you come and report to the board where we can ask where we are with that and what's happening.
[3:42:53] rather than talking about it, and then watching it just not ever go anywhere.
[3:42:59] So, I agree.
[3:43:01] There's no further comments.
[3:43:02] Let's go ahead and bring it back to the board and looking for action again with that amendment.
[3:43:07] I offer the resolution of the amendment.
[3:43:09] Resolution has been offered.
[3:43:12] For a razor, oh wait.
[3:43:13] Yeah, we're super much.
[3:43:14] Super much.
[3:43:15] Yes.
[3:43:16] Super much.
[3:43:17] Super much.
[3:43:19] Super much.
[3:43:19] Super much.
[3:43:19] Mr. Pisco?
[3:43:21] And Supervisor Svott here.
[3:43:24] Thank you both.
[3:43:25] Thank you, Board.
[3:43:31] Glad we were able to get through those.
[3:43:34] We are now going to our six-eleven item, one-thirty PM, a consideration of a draft response to the
[3:43:41] United States Board on geographic names, domestic names, committee regarding citizens for healings
[3:43:46] proposal to change the name of Kelsey Will to Kanakdai.
[3:43:49] be modify and approve the BGN standard recommendation form for submittal with your boards of response.
[3:43:57] CAO Parker.
[3:44:00] Thank you.
[3:44:00] Excuse me.
[3:44:01] Thank you, Chair.
[3:44:02] Matthew Chief Deputy County Administrative Officer.
[3:44:07] Matthew Rothstein will be presenting his item and then your board will take on discussion.
[3:44:14] Good afternoon, supervisors.
[3:44:16] Matthew Rothstein Chief Deputy County Administrative Officer.
[3:44:19] Thank you all for your leadership and persistence today.
[3:44:24] On Tuesday, July 30, 2024, your board acted to place county-wide advisory measure you on
[3:44:31] the November ballot, asking the following question.
[3:44:34] Shall the Board of Supervisors recommend approval of the proposal to change the name of the
[3:44:39] town of Kelseaville to Knochtai?
[3:44:41] Lake County registered voters have posed the proposal by a margin of 70.58% to 29.42%.
[3:44:51] Because the vote was advisory in nature, staff prepared the letter attached to your agenda initially with re-options.
[3:44:59] I'm John Kerry.
[3:45:12] We'll continue in, Johanna, we'll project that as soon as able. Option 1, before your board would recommend the board on geographic names is domestic names committee reject the proposed name change adopting the result of advisory measure you while acknowledging some moral questions cannot be answered with a simple yes or no vote.
[3:45:33] Option two would recommend approval of the proposed name change.
[3:45:39] Option three would make no formal recommendation to the board on geographic names or BGN for reasons described in the text.
[3:45:48] And in the time since the agenda and attachments were posted, staff have also prepared an option for your board's consideration and it reads as follows.
[3:45:58] In response to advisory measure you, Lake County residents demonstrated clear opposition to the proposed name change.
[3:46:07] Our board hereby adopts the result of this vote as the county of Lake's formal recommendation.
[3:46:15] And while this is ultimately not a county of Lake facilitated process and the BGN will make a determination,
[3:46:23] A portal has additionally been developed to share public comments received by the county with state and federal naming authorities.
[3:46:31] This was done to ensure that your voices are represented.
[3:46:36] We truly appreciate that so many of you have taken time to share your perspectives hundreds over the course of several months.
[3:46:44] And thank you all for doing that.
[3:46:46] Now the county administrative office staff welcomes your boards discussion.
[3:46:50] Thank you.
[3:46:51] Thank you for introducing the item.
[3:46:56] I will set some parameters for the public comments when we get to public comment.
[3:47:01] But just to let you know, I am planning to give everybody last time.
[3:47:04] I did two minutes.
[3:47:05] I am going to do three minutes.
[3:47:06] I want to make sure that everybody has the time.
[3:47:09] I'm hoping this is the last discussion we have with this.
[3:47:13] I want to make sure everybody has the time to express themselves fully.
[3:47:17] And whatever time is needed to ensure that we hear from everybody.
[3:47:20] I just want everybody to walk away knowing that they've been heard and that we listened to what you had to say.
[3:47:26] I do want to open it up for public comment. Sorry for the board's comments before public comment.
[3:47:32] In case that there's anything that the board wishes to state.
[3:47:38] Ready to hear public comment.
[3:47:40] Supervisor Piscke.
[3:47:45] So I want to start by acknowledging how difficult this year has been on all of us.
[3:47:50] We've really been through the ringer.
[3:47:52] I've spent this year pushing both the federal and state committees to show up and do their part,
[3:47:58] which they did not. Their lack of support made this process far more difficult and hurt all of us.
[3:48:05] I also spent this year sitting with and listening to people on all sides of this issue.
[3:48:10] And I want to thank you. I want to thank everybody that gave me that opportunity. I heard you
[3:48:15] value your perspective. This process was asked to do the work of healing, yet the application
[3:48:22] was submitted without the consent of many of the people who are most affected and without the
[3:48:29] support of the community. The true work of healing comes from the people when all voices are represented,
[3:48:37] represented, and decisions are made together. This type of work is slow because building trust
[3:48:43] and listening and showing up takes time.
[3:48:47] Submitting this application bypass the opportunity to do this work and we are stuck in a bureaucratic
[3:48:53] process and the final decision will be made by those who will never even come here.
[3:49:00] We asked the people to participate and they did.
[3:49:04] The vote of the people is on record and it needs to be honored.
[3:49:08] Our dark and painful histories out in the open now and how we move forward to reconcile
[3:49:14] is up to all of us. This year has changed us and changed us hard. Regardless of how we got here,
[3:49:22] we are growing and we are changing. I have been very clear on my position for years and I will keep my promise
[3:49:29] to remain neutral because we have no idea what the final decision will be and I need to represent
[3:49:35] all of my constituents. We need to heal together. My commitment is to my community where everyone
[3:49:43] has seen, heard, and valued.
[3:49:45] What is important for me today is that we respect the vote of the people, and I keep my
[3:49:51] promise to remain neutral.
[3:49:52] So I'm offering another option, a little bit different than what you presented.
[3:49:58] So here is...
[3:50:00] My suggestion, our board is forwarding the vote of the people for your committee's consideration and no further formal recommendation will be made in this federal process.
[3:50:13] Thank you for your comment.
[3:50:15] Supervisor Green.
[3:50:18] Thank you for that.
[3:50:20] Just to clarify, so Matthew, I heard an option for, which I thought was roughly analogous to option one and now you submitted language, which was different than option four, I think.
[3:50:31] So, can you clarify what the option four was and how it relates to option one and then you clarify whether that's option four is something you were interested in?
[3:50:40] So, option four was effectively a simplified version in a sense of option one.
[3:50:47] There was some language which was redundant with content that appears earlier in the letter.
[3:50:52] In a sensor could be argued to be redundant with content earlier in the letter.
[3:50:56] So it's a simplified version that says in response to advisory measure you.
[3:51:01] Lake County Residence demonstrated clear opposition to the proposed name change.
[3:51:06] Our board hereby adopts the result of this vote as the county of Lake's formal recommendation.
[3:51:12] And then supervisor PISCA is option 5 just read moments ago.
[3:51:17] Our board is forwarding the vote of the people for your committee's consideration.
[3:51:22] And no further formal recommendation will be made in this process.
[3:51:35] Any further comments before we open up for public comment?
[3:51:40] So I want to provide at least some opinion on things just so that in case public comment comes back.
[3:51:50] I don't want to say these things after the fact or else you may feel like you have not had the chance to respond.
[3:52:00] I still feel the exact same way I felt when this first came along, which was actually brought to me about six years ago.
[3:52:07] I want to say, so this has been a very long conversation.
[3:52:11] In fact, that's just me six years ago.
[3:52:13] This conversation has been going on for much longer.
[3:52:15] It's just coming to a head.
[3:52:19] I have changed and I have grown, I guess, maybe for some others, it might be the reverse.
[3:52:28] Like, I used to think that if you change a name or if you take down a statue that you're not a racing history,
[3:52:37] you can't erase what has happened.
[3:52:41] We know of things that we read in our history books that are gone.
[3:52:48] And so history lasts forever.
[3:52:50] in the fact that there's stories, there's written documentation of it, whatever the case
[3:52:58] might be to keep that history alive.
[3:53:01] And then I thought about it for a while and I decided maybe I'm wrong.
[3:53:06] And I have to look at my phone because I want to make sure I say the name right.
[3:53:10] And I could be wrong, but based on research and conversations, there was a native village in
[3:53:16] area of Kelseaville called Habenipo.
[3:53:20] I hope that's correct, and I hope I say it right.
[3:53:24] And it was really hard to find that name.
[3:53:27] And it was really hard to find that name
[3:53:28] because that name no longer exists.
[3:53:30] That village no longer exists.
[3:53:33] And so it is possible that if we change the name of Kelseaville,
[3:53:37] that some of that history that comes along with it,
[3:53:39] whether good or bad, goes with it.
[3:53:43] And so my thought process was, I can't fix the past, how do I find ways to solve the future?
[3:53:54] And I hate what this has done to us because it's put us in a situation of an ultimatum.
[3:54:00] It's either option A or B and I think if you always give people an ultimatum,
[3:54:04] people are going to put up a defensive wall. It doesn't open up for conversation.
[3:54:08] And it doesn't open up for dialogue.
[3:54:12] You are stuck with the options that are in front of you.
[3:54:16] I will tell you that I voted no on this when I voted.
[3:54:19] And I didn't vote no, because I don't want to see the name change.
[3:54:21] I do want to see the name change.
[3:54:23] But I vote no, because I don't think it needs to be conacti,
[3:54:25] because I don't like how we got to that name.
[3:54:28] And I don't think it's the appropriate name.
[3:54:32] And so my options that I'm looking at originally,
[3:54:36] Because, again, I've grown because of things that have happened is I was hoping that we can end up in a place where we can have a dash in the name like people do in their marriage and call it Kelseyville.
[3:54:48] I gotta say it right, and I apologize.
[3:54:53] Kelseyville dash, Abenipo.
[3:54:55] Because the future is both people who have descendants.
[3:55:00] And connections to Kelseyville, and people who have connections to our native American tribes that have been here for 10,000 years, because we have to move forward.
[3:55:11] But then we put it on the ballot, which I wish we had not, because that takes away from me what I feel are my choices, because I know it's right in my mind.
[3:55:25] I think we need to find a way forward, a way together, and option A and B is not necessarily a way together because I have to choose one over the other.
[3:55:35] I'm not here to choose one over the other. I'm here to figure out how to make our communities better for tomorrow.
[3:55:41] But with what I expected to be this vote result, which is why I voted against putting it on the ballot, because we pretty much mimics the number of letters that we received for and against.
[3:55:54] So it wasn't necessarily surprising to tell the people today
[3:55:58] that their vote doesn't matter.
[3:56:00] Then why do I come back here next Tuesday?
[3:56:04] There's a reason that we're here.
[3:56:05] There's a reason that we have this democratic process.
[3:56:08] And if you guys start not believing in it,
[3:56:11] because we tell you today, we don't care.
[3:56:14] Then I don't know what my purpose is.
[3:56:16] And I hate it because what's right yesterday
[3:56:21] has been altered in what I can or can't do today
[3:56:23] or else I break a system that I feel greatly about.
[3:56:28] And so I hope that some people want to continue the discussion,
[3:56:32] because I think there's a way forward.
[3:56:35] But the options that are placed in front of me,
[3:56:41] I'm hurting inside from the what we've done to ourselves
[3:56:44] and what we can do.
[3:56:46] I have heard some very racist things in this room.
[3:56:50] And that is not what we should be hearing when we're talking about ourselves.
[3:56:56] It's painful, and I don't know what else to say other than I was really hoping for options
[3:57:04] C. And I'm going to tell you the truth. I've sat there. Supervisor Pyska was in the meeting
[3:57:10] with me, and in my opinion, the BGN is going to change the name. And I see it in their eyes.
[3:57:20] I could be wrong, but that's how I see them looking at us. When we're asking them questions
[3:57:24] about the process, they're looking at us like we're the bigots for trying to question their
[3:57:31] process. Let alone when we're trying to understand their process.
[3:57:37] We've submitted it before,
[3:57:38] where we said we wanted to approve Benny Hill over in middle town and they rejected that,
[3:57:43] even though we approved this. So I don't know that our voice is all that truly important to them
[3:57:47] is what they really want to do. But saying yes to a not chosen community name, saying yes to
[3:57:59] something that tells one group that your history, because you moved here in 1950 or 1930
[3:58:05] away after the fact of horrendous actions done by a family, people get connected to things. And
[3:58:14] I don't want to look at either side and say your history is not one that I want to support
[3:58:19] And I was really hoping that we can talk about the BGN process without going through an election process to figure out what is option C.
[3:58:29] But with what we've done, I feel like I would be saying that our democratic values are not worthy and do not hold here.
[3:58:40] And that would be destroying exactly what makes us us.
[3:58:45] And I can't vote against that.
[3:58:47] And I'm struggling inside, because we all in this room, we are the community, no matter how our differences may be in our history and I say this and I'm so disconnected, I'm an immigrant, I wasn't even born here,
[3:59:09] and I wish we would have behaved differently.
[3:59:11] It's sad, I'm saddened by the decisions that we've made that have limited our options of how it is that we can find a way to move forward.
[3:59:21] I'm saddened by what I've heard in the community.
[3:59:23] I'm saddened by what we've decided as this board because we've handcuffed ourselves in my opinion to either ruin who we are or make a bad decision.
[3:59:33] That's not good choices.
[3:59:35] we have better choices than this.
[3:59:43] And with that, I'm going to open up public comment.
[3:59:47] I want you guys, I'm going to give you the three full minutes, and I will cut you off
[3:59:52] at three minutes, ask you to please finish your sentence, but I will ask you to stop talking
[3:59:56] if you keep going. I do not want anything.
[4:00:00] Here any kind of hateful rhetoric or speech, as I will reserve the right to ask you to leave the building.
[4:00:08] This is us representing a community in here, and I want you to respect one another. Please talk to us.
[4:00:15] It is our decision. It is our doing. So please make sure we talk about the topic, or the Board of Supervisors, and not the individuals within our community.
[4:00:26] Let's not continue to divide and separate ourselves, please.
[4:00:36] Are we here?
[4:00:44] Do you need us to take a quick break before we start public comment?
[4:00:51] I apologize, but we're technical difficulties are continuing from this morning.
[4:00:58] And let's go ahead and take a 10-minute break and then we will commence with our public comment.
[4:09:24] All right, I apologize everybody for that technical difficulty but we are back. We hope to keep running smoothly for the rest of this session.
[4:09:35] And so I left off where I was opening public comment and let's go ahead and start with the first speaker.
[4:09:43] If you please let us know your name and then you have three minutes and Johanna will be helping us with that timing.
[4:09:50] if
[4:09:56] we have no public comment
[4:10:02] And I am going to pause from time to time to go back and forth to make sure that those on Zoom don't feel ignored.
[4:10:09] But I will always come back and make sure everybody gets to say their peace.
[4:10:12] I just don't want people waiting for a long time when their hands are up.
[4:10:19] And if you can grab the microphone and make sure that you speak into the microphone, that would be helpful.
[4:10:23] Okay. My name is Carol Costa.
[4:10:26] And I'm going to go ahead. I want to read the measure again one more time.
[4:10:30] Shall the Board of Supervisors recommend approval of the proposal to change the name of the town of Kelsey Hills, a connoctite, sorry I'm kind of shaky here.
[4:10:42] A no vote on this advisory is a measure.
[4:10:46] No vote on this advisory measure is a vote against the county of Lake Board of Supervisors recommending approval of the proposal to change the name of the town of Kelseyville to connoctite.
[4:11:01] As you know, 70.5% of the voters say no, that's the county wide voters.
[4:11:10] No change to the name of Kelseyville is what you required to recommend, per measure
[4:11:16] you, what I just read from the voters' pamphlet.
[4:11:22] All five of you must honor the results of your constituents' votes, no name change.
[4:11:30] And if you also, if you count the number of voters that did not vote at all, that brings up the number to 77% of the voters.
[4:11:46] Okay, that's it.
[4:11:47] Thank you for your comment.
[4:11:50] Next, please.
[4:11:55] Good afternoon.
[4:11:56] My name is Lorna Sides.
[4:12:00] And I just wanted to note that the people of Lake County have been victims of two very significant acts of fraud in regards to advisory measure you.
[4:12:12] The following statement was published in our Lake County.
[4:12:16] Of changing the name of Kelseyville would involve considerable administrative and financial burdens.
[4:12:23] The expenses for updating property titles, the state plans business license and documents would be substantial.
[4:12:32] The process in time consuming and complex causing delays in error and business operations.
[4:12:38] Through. The title to my home will not need to be changed when the name changes.
[4:12:44] My driver's license will still be valid, et cetera, et cetera.
[4:12:51] This was a deliberate fraud upon the voters of Lake County.
[4:12:55] And that was allowed to go into the voter guard like that.
[4:12:59] Secondly, if anyone thought that our supervisors were beholden to uphold the will of the
[4:13:04] majority of Lake County voters, they were scammed.
[4:13:08] The supervisors are sworn to uphold the U.S. Constitution, which protects the rights of all citizens to be safe from harm.
[4:13:21] You spoke to this, Bruno, on July 30, this is what you spoke to exactly when you spoke in favor of the name change.
[4:13:29] This is not a popularity contest.
[4:13:32] This is a chance for the five of you to show leadership and to uphold the U.S. Constitution
[4:13:39] to which you swore to to protect the rights of all citizens of the White County to be
[4:13:44] safe from harm.
[4:13:47] On July 30th of this year, this is in this very chamber, but now I came, Cromwell, Chairman
[4:13:52] of Robinson Ranchery upon my Indians, asked for the name to be changed.
[4:13:56] Flaming at Cloud Chairman of Big Valley Rancheria has repeatedly asked for the name to be changed
[4:14:02] even though his stance is causing harm to some children who are getting hurt in this battle.
[4:14:12] The Pamos were very kind. The Elim tribe said, please, yes, you have the permission to use their name
[4:14:20] to give this beautiful name over to the county, to the community.
[4:14:25] And the people, the community said, we don't want this.
[4:14:29] We'd rather stand up and have a fight and protect our rights
[4:14:32] to support this land that we stole and to protect our little community
[4:14:39] and as businesses and the hell with the people who are being hurt.
[4:14:45] Supervisor smart Simon
[4:15:00] This time is up.
[4:15:00] On a perfectly clear time, is that the name change would help the healing. Thank you.
[4:15:09] Next, please.
[4:15:10] I just want to have a point of order question. The board has indicated that there are two other options.
[4:15:20] It seems we have five options currently.
[4:15:22] That's what two others, two plus the three, that comes up to five. So that's what I'm saying.
[4:15:27] Yeah, and the public hasn't seen it.
[4:15:29] County Council as you've seen it.
[4:15:31] So how are you going to have public input,
[4:15:33] adequate public input, on something that none of us
[4:15:36] have actually seen?
[4:15:37] None of you've seen it, you spoke about it for a minute.
[4:15:40] And I'm just asking, are you going to still consider those?
[4:15:43] Because if you are, those need to be made available
[4:15:45] to the public and another meeting be held.
[4:15:49] Because you can't have it today.
[4:15:51] You can't vote on any of those if there are substantial changes
[4:15:54] to any of them.
[4:15:54] And that's a law.
[4:15:56] So, thank you for your comment.
[4:15:59] I do agree that we did put it on the television screen.
[4:16:04] I think it was very short lived on the television screen.
[4:16:07] And I'm hopeful that we are about to go print out some copies of both of those options.
[4:16:16] We have printed copies.
[4:16:18] They are in the front.
[4:16:18] I was not aware of that, or I missed that if that was stated.
[4:16:23] So please grab a copy so that you can review that.
[4:16:26] And at this moment in time, those options are here.
[4:16:29] And if there are issues, we'll make sure to check in with County
[4:16:32] Council before making any decision at the end of the meeting.
[4:16:37] And at this moment in time, we've heard your comments.
[4:16:43] We have it printed.
[4:16:47] Is this the letter that's available?
[4:16:49] Because are we allowed to take time and not be disrupted by
[4:16:53] conversation that's going on in order to give this.
[4:16:57] So I think we're going to be having a lot of public comment and there's going to be time for people to review it during that during that time before we vote.
[4:17:07] So please, if the public wants to grab a piece of paper so they can review the options and I'll be honest, I do not know.
[4:17:24] I need to take a two minute break.
[4:17:29] Two minute break, we'll be back at 2.15.
[4:22:34] All right, let's reconvene everybody should have all the options, the options that have been provided are not revolutionary in the changes of what's the potential.
[4:22:48] The Board of Supervisors can always amend contracts or other things on the fly. I want to make sure you have that in your hands, you have that in your hands and it should not.
[4:23:01] There's nothing that's outside of the scope of possibilities at this moment in time in the sense that they're grounded in what the options are already where they're not all that different than what was already one through three.
[4:23:15] So you have that in your hands. I do want to continue with public comment.
[4:23:20] And I think that we're good to go and thank you Wendy for grabbing more for that.
[4:23:25] If you were next to public comment, I apologize for interrupting, please come and introduce yourself and you get three minutes.
[4:23:34] I'm Jerry Brown. I just think you'd be more nervous standing here. I'm not a public speaker.
[4:23:40] I have the picture of my grandma and my grandma at home in the native dress, so I have no prejudice one way or the other.
[4:23:49] Okay, I'm an American citizen and we are blessed to be in the United States to have a
[4:23:57] voting process and the people have spoken and it hurts me to see that five people, I don't
[4:24:06] know which individuals are, would try to subverse or if they have to write word or not, the
[4:24:13] vote with the people when they've spoken and then you try to find a way around it to match what
[4:24:18] you feel, and I represented, I was this county, I mean,
[4:24:23] I mean, Kelseyville school district, so I represented the classified staff many times in
[4:24:28] negotiations, and regardless of my personal opinion when I went into negotiations with
[4:24:34] the school district, what my people wanted, I represented, and I spoke for them even though
[4:24:41] for a couple of issues once in a while, I felt differently, but nobody ever knew that,
[4:24:45] because I represented the classified staff I was negotiating for with the board.
[4:24:54] And so I just say please we have a Constitution.
[4:24:58] We've had a vote.
[4:25:00] Please listen to the vote of the people. That's what you represent us. You're to find out what we want
[4:25:08] and regardless of your personal opinion, which I respect, which you must vote how we asked you to vote.
[4:25:18] And that's my pitch. Okay, Anna, Judy Claiman was one of my very best friends. Apparently,
[4:25:23] County before she died, she would be horrified that this whole thing is going on. I knew
[4:25:28] her heart and we talked about the issues, many, many times. She was proud that we used to have
[4:25:35] Kelseaville Indies in Pome, the little papooses at the primary school, as Armascots, because
[4:25:41] it was of course a pride for her. And I just feel like this is even dishonoring in term memory.
[4:25:48] So please vote how your people voted in the election.
[4:25:53] Thank you.
[4:25:55] Thank you.
[4:25:56] Next, please.
[4:26:00] Hi, I'm Barbara Green.
[4:26:02] I just wanted to point out the comments about you thinking the BGN has already
[4:26:06] made up their mind.
[4:26:07] I have been in back and forth contact with them for over a year now.
[4:26:12] And they've been nothing but professional.
[4:26:14] I do not get that impression from them at all.
[4:26:16] and I really do feel like the recommendation you provide to them will be considered greatly.
[4:26:22] So therefore I'm asking that you go with a vote and recommend accordingly to what the people
[4:26:28] in the county are, which is our. Thank you. Thank you for your comment.
[4:26:34] My name is Furch Blanger, and I want to, you know, mention that, you know, task with informing
[4:26:41] of people, you know, with information that when it came out onto the voters, it wasn't
[4:26:51] correct.
[4:26:52] First of all, it was known about the history with Andrew Kelsey, specifically it was put
[4:27:00] on plaques, it was put in a lot of books.
[4:27:05] There was also, you know, known about that there wouldn't be any costs,
[4:27:14] you know, to people that if the changes come from the top down from Washington down.
[4:27:21] Also,
[4:27:23] you know, with, you're tasked with protecting everybody in this county, everybody.
[4:27:28] not just, you know, a large pile of the county or a large, but everyone.
[4:27:36] And also, it seems that a lot is on the whole vote was based on fear.
[4:27:50] There were things that were put into, you know, in front of the voters that weren't true,
[4:27:56] such as just mentioned about all the expenses, such as the history, and, you know, we had
[4:28:04] input coming and opened out to the community from the very first meeting we had members
[4:28:09] of the Kelseyville Business Association that showed up, they knew it was what was happening,
[4:28:16] yeah, they completely took it like they were blindsided.
[4:28:21] I agree with Bruno that this should probably go up to the people to vote for a different
[4:28:26] name, because Knotty being forced, you know, when I had said, it was open to discussion for
[4:28:36] over four years, as I mentioned, there were members from the business, Kelseyville Business
[4:28:41] Association at the very first meeting.
[4:28:46] So, a lot of this whole thing was based on fear.
[4:28:50] There was also loads of money that were pushing all of this. And the citizens for healing
[4:28:55] group, just watched. There was a comment made about, let's see what the, you know, figures
[4:29:02] come to see what the racism quotient, how much racism there is in this county. Now,
[4:29:08] this is interesting because we're having people that are involved with the community, that are
[4:29:15] okaying what was put for people to vote on. You understand what I'm saying here? That, you know,
[4:29:24] of the things that were known to be untrue,
[4:29:28] were put onto the ballot, when questioned,
[4:29:30] oh, that's opinion.
[4:29:31] When does opinions go for people's votes?
[4:29:35] I mean, this is something you're certainly looking for opinion.
[4:29:38] And your time is up.
[4:29:39] Thank you.
[4:29:40] Thank you.
[4:29:45] Oh, good afternoon.
[4:29:46] My name is Nia on Naepom.
[4:29:48] It's a silent K to begin with,
[4:29:50] but yes, that is my real name.
[4:29:52] I changed it in 1993 on purpose.
[4:29:57] I'm so just, you know, that it was probably...
[4:30:00] One of the most liberating and refreshing things that I've done in my life, and I was really glad to have done it.
[4:30:07] I just am a little nervous. I can't believe you guys. I can't believe you guys sit in here every day with us. It's so bright in here.
[4:30:15] It's stuffy. There's no fresh air. You know, maybe open a little curtain and see some, it's a beautiful December day.
[4:30:21] Some nature in here, some ambiance. You throw pillows. Maybe that's just me though, because I'm kind of sensitive.
[4:30:27] And it has come to my attention that there are a lot of sensitive, quite a few sensitive
[4:30:31] people in Lake County on either side of this issue.
[4:30:35] Once, hand, we have the valued, they were the name of Kelseyville, which has come down
[4:30:45] the pike for a while.
[4:30:46] And, you know, it's quaint and cute and they're emotionally sentimentsally attached, my opinion.
[4:30:58] So, there's that, and the inconvenience of them having to spend money, which if I thought about it in the length of time, I would think would be reprehensible in the least of their concerns, because of the inconvenience.
[4:31:13] I'm sensitive because I, with my light skin and my blue eyes, am a card carrying, federally
[4:31:19] recognized in rolled memory of a federally recognized tribe,
[4:31:25] Oklahoma Cherokees, and that's
[4:31:27] my mom's family, and I am sensitive to these kind of issues because it offends me.
[4:31:33] I'm insinced every day when I have to think of somebody else, going to school and school
[4:31:38] us that's named after a person who raped and killed their grandparents or their descendants
[4:31:44] have to keep going to the same school every day because it happens to be named that or
[4:31:50] the same town.
[4:31:52] My point being, the other sensitive people can't even believe it.
[4:31:56] I can't believe this is the case.
[4:32:00] It's not a progression.
[4:32:02] That was really not a very fair vote.
[4:32:04] In fact, it was a litmus test in my opinion of a public opinion.
[4:32:07] It's not a voteable issue, that's why they have a board of geographic names to decide these things.
[4:32:14] The other sensitive people are on the other side who don't want to have the name change.
[4:32:20] The other people are the ones who are, yeah, it's probably the height of inconvenience, the pinnacle of inconvenience I would think,
[4:32:26] to be living in the wild west and have your daughter of eight raped, taken away by men, grown men, never to be seen again.
[4:32:35] And if you do your history, you will know that General Valeo and General Harraspy and Mr.
[4:32:42] Kelsey and Stone, you'll running a business up and down that highway right there that
[4:32:49] wasn't a highway then.
[4:32:51] And your time is up if you want to finish your comment.
[4:32:53] Of child trafficking, sex trafficking, end of discussion.
[4:32:58] Thank you.
[4:32:59] Thank you for your hand.
[4:33:01] Thank you for your comment.
[4:33:02] Please, please take a seat.
[4:33:05] Please take a seat.
[4:33:11] Ron Montez again.
[4:33:13] I wanted to bring up an issue that is on my heart.
[4:33:21] A few weeks back I went to the high school to speak to a high school class on their day of celebrating indigenous people.
[4:33:30] And some of my relatives danced and we had some Indian tacos, some traditional foods.
[4:33:36] And I got to speak to a class, but before I did that, I spoke to the instructor of that class.
[4:33:45] And he was very unaware of all of the history that is in Lake County concerning the treatment of the native people who have been here for thousands of years.
[4:33:57] And it's not taught in our books, our history books.
[4:34:03] It is not taught in any of the higher education books unless you go specific and look for something specific.
[4:34:14] But they'll tell you a lot about the planes Indians and the different tribes all over the country.
[4:34:20] But we're talking specifics in this case, because it's my relatives who are we're talking about.
[4:34:30] Grandfathers, grandmothers, great-grandfathers, grandmothers.
[4:34:34] And they might not have that same blood in me, but you can find down the line that I'm related to those that do carry that blood.
[4:34:43] And there was a fear upon our people that has caused such a problem in our psyche and who we are as a people, as a person, that our...
[4:35:00] Elders refused to teach us our culture, for fear that we would be treated the same way they were. They were in the boarding schools.
[4:35:11] They were abused physically, sexually, emotionally. They were mistreated. It was against the law of the land for our people to speak our language or pray or sing our songs.
[4:35:25] We could not go to where our food sources were before because there were fences.
[4:35:32] And if we cross that fence together, we would be shot with no way to have it looked at
[4:35:41] by any law, because the laws that were there on the books were not for Indian people.
[4:35:48] They were for the colonial people.
[4:35:51] And so, we had no voice, no way to get justice.
[4:36:00] We had to just take it and sit back and put up with it time and time again.
[4:36:08] And then when Mr. Kelsey came with Mr. Stone and they took all of the men from our village
[4:36:14] site.
[4:36:15] And your time is over.
[4:36:16] You can finish.
[4:36:17] Thank you.
[4:36:17] We had no recourse without being shot killed or our wives or our children taken and sexually abused and murdered.
[4:36:29] And that is what Kelsey means.
[4:36:32] Thank you for your comment.
[4:36:33] Thank you.
[4:36:38] And after the next speaker I'm going to switch over to Zoom.
[4:36:52] Thank you.
[4:36:53] I know there's been some bad actors out there on both sides.
[4:36:58] You know, we really tried to stay as professional as we could on our end,
[4:37:04] even sometimes over doing it to try and be transparent.
[4:37:15] You know, it was mentioned that C4H was the one that fired the first shot in this,
[4:37:20] What was referred to as a battle or a war, and the war is being left to the tribes to finish it, and it just troubles me inside that I would be, you know, considered it war with you folks.
[4:37:37] I mean, you guys are doing a great job as their tough things.
[4:37:41] smoke and I go way back and before the smoke settled in the Valley Fire, we had the first
[4:37:46] house up. You know, we go back a long ways and I don't want to be at war with the tribes
[4:37:52] or with the Board of Supervisors, nor does my community.
[4:37:58] So we're here to talk,
[4:38:10] you know,
[4:38:10] owners with organizations, Lions Club, Hammers for Hope, Business Association,
[4:38:20] Business Owners.
[4:38:22] This didn't happen.
[4:38:23] There was no discussion.
[4:38:24] You know, the consequence of the consequential damages of this C4H refers to as no big deal.
[4:38:34] How do they know?
[4:38:35] It has been done.
[4:38:36] You know, a name change of this magnitude is rare, super rare.
[4:38:44] So how do they even know what else to be, how do they know what I have to do to change the name on my building?
[4:38:50] But, you know, I don't want to get into that.
[4:38:54] Just that there was no discussion of what the name cannot I would be.
[4:38:59] There was no discussion of the impacts to businesses.
[4:39:02] is there's no discussion of the harm
[4:39:05] that's being done to this town, to our community.
[4:39:09] We haven't talked about that either.
[4:39:13] At the end of the day, option four is the best for us.
[4:39:20] And if the conversation wants to continue,
[4:39:25] we're there, I'm not going anywhere,
[4:39:27] I'll have a seat with anybody and I'll offer a seat.
[4:39:31] You know, anywhere in Kelseaville any time for any of you, if option 4 can't be done then I hope option 5 is what maybe is considered today.
[4:39:44] That's it, I don't want to drag on on other things that people have already mentioned, but thank you very much.
[4:39:49] If we could please get your day.
[4:39:50] Mark Burgessani, Kelseaville resident.
[4:39:52] Thank you very much.
[4:39:55] We're going to go to the Zoom Room.
[4:39:57] First hand up is Jim Kamiski.
[4:40:10] May be put his hand down. Put your hand back up if you wish to speak. There it is. If we can still start with Jim.
[4:40:24] Can you hear me now? We can.
[4:40:28] Board Chair and the rest of the Board's supervisors, thank you for this opportunity. I wanted to show my respect to the body and our county citizens, but I'm self-quarantine home sick for the last couple days.
[4:40:39] I just want to emphasize as a resident of Kelseyville, I absolutely see the sensitivity on everything that we've been talking about here today.
[4:40:52] I do. I went through grammar school, high school, working Kelseyville moved away, moved back.
[4:40:59] And I heard what's Montessa too, that learning process that we need to get back to,
[4:41:07] this changed the name wholeheartedly without any input right now from any of the other
[4:41:14] affected people is wrong. It was a one-sided shot in the bow and it should not have happened.
[4:41:22] The Board of Supervisors, you went ahead and put it on the ballot to get it informative,
[4:41:26] whether that's completely represented of the whole county or not.
[4:41:31] I don't know. I don't know what the exact playing was.
[4:41:34] But I think there's other options.
[4:41:36] Let's take a look at those and let's sit down and have a discussion.
[4:41:40] But as far as the Board of Supervisors,
[4:41:43] I would ask the five of you to consider your representing the votes that come in.
[4:41:49] Just as I, on my elected board, don't agree with some stuff that comes in
[4:41:53] when are citizens say they want this, it's not my opinion. It's I represent them. So I appreciate the
[4:42:02] opportunity to speak to you, but I think that we need to be steadfast, represent the vote of the
[4:42:07] people, and then let the BGN do what they're gonna do with appropriate input from your all
[4:42:15] yourselves, the voters, and both sides of this. I want to see this fix. I love my town so very much
[4:42:22] And we need to work collaboratively with the tribes and the other folks that I never considered that a big deal when I was younger I guess it is now. So I want to work better together and I'll do whatever takes. Thank you.
[4:42:37] Thank you for your comment.
[4:42:40] Next is Dwayne Goforth.
[4:42:54] My name is Dwayne Goforth and I'm here to support the name change.
[4:42:57] I think the first thing I'd like to point out is that the BGN acts under laws enacted by legislators that we elected.
[4:43:07] This law came out in the 1970s and that was part of democracy and they act under the rules and the laws of the Department of Interior, so that's democracy right there.
[4:43:18] The vote was 70% against and 30% for, but that's not all the people, the 17,000 people that voted for us does not even near half of Lake County will.
[4:43:32] Young people didn't get the vote and they're going to have to live with the name for a long time.
[4:43:37] The biggest criteria that BGN uses is whether or not a name is offensive to a significant portion of the population.
[4:43:46] And even 30% voted for that.
[4:43:50] So I think if you look around,
[4:43:51] you'll find that there is a significant number of people
[4:43:54] in Lake County who feel the name Kelseyville is offensive.
[4:43:59] And one of them, and all of the native people, for sure,
[4:44:02] it's in a blood in their history and their families.
[4:44:07] We need to acknowledge that and act to protect the minority
[4:44:11] and their rights and to go to the future.
[4:44:14] a name is really important. It's our identity. It's our heritage and it's how we see our future.
[4:44:22] We keep it represents a past and pretty much none of us are proud of. I want to be proud
[4:44:29] of the name of my town. I love my town. I love the people that's in it, but I want to be proud
[4:44:35] of the name and you know change happens and when it's for something for good we should embrace
[4:44:42] it. It's it's not always easy there's a tradition and that can be hard but but look around
[4:44:50] Mount Dene, McKinley was changed to Mount Denali. I don't see anybody's worried about that anymore.
[4:44:55] or custer battlefield was renamed Little Big Horde.
[4:45:00] In the interim battle field, to give some credit to the means that were there. Patrick's point in the humble
[4:45:08] county was sitting named Sue Magg. There was no controversy about that. Squaw Valley, the scary in the
[4:45:15] Syria was re-named a palisade. I don't hear a lot of people worried about that problem. Even in
[4:45:22] late county, just last year, Walker Ridge was renamed Condor Ridge. The people in Spring Valley didn't
[4:45:29] upset that they're at their local Denmark change. The name can
[4:45:34] not dice a really beautiful name. It has a real meaning. It's been
[4:45:38] used for thousands of years. And just just think what what the
[4:45:45] future will be like in 10 or 20 years if the name gets changed. We'll
[4:45:49] get used to it. We'll be happy. We'll be proud to call our
[4:45:53] town's name named after the gigantic and more time is up. Okay, thank you, but thank you.
[4:46:02] Thank you. The issue is not going away, but let's get changed. Thank you.
[4:46:05] Thank you. Next is Nora.
[4:46:17] We will do Peme's first. We accidentally clicked on it on your name.
[4:46:27] Are you speaking to Pamela Ezra? That would be you, yes. Yes. Hi. Um,
[4:46:34] I guess I'm speaking with the 70%, I'm a newcomer here, 10 years, and every single day I'm in a business that welcomes more newcomers coming in from L.A., San Francisco, San Jose, Silicon Valley.
[4:46:56] We're the future. We'll love Kelseyville. We had no idea, at least I didn't, and neither did my husband, that there were problems here about the name or the history had no idea there were arguments or any hatred because that's not what I've experienced in the last 10 years.
[4:47:20] Um, I go to the casinos, the restaurants, I see people, I go out there, we love the name
[4:47:31] Kelseyville.
[4:47:32] If you run it, it is the only town in the United States, Dan Kelseyville, had no idea about
[4:47:40] these men who were awful, but I did hear that they got their come up and it's, but I don't
[4:47:47] there's a step in California that hasn't had blood shed and tears cried into the ground.
[4:47:57] Imagine renaming from San Diego to LA, San Francisco and Auburn, every single rock tree and
[4:48:08] place name. I think Kelseyville is wonderful as it is. It's a wonderful future for all of us here.
[4:48:16] Nobody that I know is interested in changing the name.
[4:48:21] I hope that the rest of you, with all of your history,
[4:48:26] could just put aside that hatred and look around you.
[4:48:31] And this is new beginnings for us newcomers here.
[4:48:36] I want to thank you for your time and how hard you're all working on this.
[4:48:41] Thank you.
[4:48:42] Thank you for your comment.
[4:48:45] Let's go back and try Nora again.
[4:48:58] Hello, can you hear me?
[4:48:59] We can hear you.
[4:49:00] Hello, my name's Nora Moore.
[4:49:01] I'm a 10 year late county resident raising my children here as a black woman.
[4:49:06] I would like to thank the board for their work.
[4:49:09] I sat here since nine o'clock.
[4:49:10] You guys go through a lot of issues.
[4:49:12] A lot that touched me personally and working in housing in this county.
[4:49:15] So I'm glad to see that there's movement in that.
[4:49:17] I'm sorry not to hear from the tribal descendant members about this issue.
[4:49:21] But I'm sure they have the reasons I'd like to give an alternative option that we tell the BGN that we plan to change the name in the next five years and that we as a community come together to find a name that works for everybody.
[4:49:34] But I'm sure that's not something we can actually do but I think that would actually help.
[4:49:38] I'm glad to see that the temperature and the room has changed from the last meeting.
[4:49:42] There were some racist comments that were made and I'm seeing that a lot of people who before said that they didn't know this was a problem are saying that they now hear people.
[4:49:51] and are willing to work with that, that is amazing, and I'm so proud of that, and you
[4:49:56] turn to stay neutral, I'd like to quote Desmond too too, if you're neutral in...
[4:50:00] The situation of injustice, you've chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of the mouse, and you say that your neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. The pearl clutching over the process of this being done without meetings or whatever is BS, because this has been spoken about for a decade. It should have been changed back in the civil rights era when this law was put in place. And to ease the conscience of the board, I'd like to quote our third president of the United States in the essence of democracy.
[4:50:30] in majority rule, more than half the vote of the person participating in election.
[4:50:35] However, the constitutional democracy and our time requires a majority rule with minority
[4:50:39] rights.
[4:50:40] And then those rights, we're talking about the constitutional right to pursue life, liberty,
[4:50:46] and justice.
[4:50:47] And I believe the pursuit of happiness here is being stifled for our local tribes.
[4:50:53] Jefferson goes on to say that all will bear in mind the sacred principle that though
[4:50:57] will of the majority is in all cases to prevail. That will will be right full must be reasonable
[4:51:02] and that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect and to violate
[4:51:07] would be a pressian. James Ballford goes on to say the tyranny of majorities may be as bad as the
[4:51:14] tyranny of kings. So if you need any reason to not go with the majority vote of which I think was
[4:51:19] a fraudulent vote as it was presented to the people and given such a short time in which we couldn't
[4:51:24] educate the people. Here it is. You're protecting the rights of the minority in this county who have
[4:51:31] been infringed upon by having someone who has raped and pillaged and basically committed the
[4:51:37] Holocaust on this side of the United States during the Gold Rush. On our local tribal people,
[4:51:43] let me remind you that five tribes have written to the BGN, seven tribes have verbally approved of
[4:51:48] change, and the NCA-A-A-A days before the election actually approved support of all our tribes
[4:51:56] in this NAIC change.
[4:51:57] That's hundreds of tribes across this nation that support our tribes.
[4:52:01] So if there's any reason to go against them, it's your time is up if you can finish your
[4:52:05] comment.
[4:52:06] Thank you very much.
[4:52:07] Thank you for your comment.
[4:52:10] So I have no further hands up.
[4:52:11] I do have some of the hands of those who have already spoken.
[4:52:15] I just don't think they put their hands down.
[4:52:17] If you could please clear that up that'd be easier for me, but I want to make sure to come back to the room.
[4:52:22] Is there any more public comment? Please come on up to the microphone.
[4:52:34] Hello, my name is Eileen Anderson.
[4:52:36] I live in Middletown. I've been a resident of Middletown for a little over 28 years.
[4:52:41] I want to start by saying, I resent the implication that I'm a racist because I disagree with changing the name of Kelseyville.
[4:52:48] I am not a racist. My last name growing up was Garcia. I worked the vineyards. I picked the prunes.
[4:52:56] I've experienced racism. Racism is everywhere. There's all races are racist in one way or another.
[4:53:05] So, you know, there's no perfect race. That's my first point. Second point is, we're a representative of Republic.
[4:53:13] You are representatives of us. We the people. We hired you when we voted for you 70% of the people said
[4:53:22] We like the name Kelseyville
[4:53:24] every race has
[4:53:27] America has started on a on a bad note. Some would say
[4:53:32] We've had slavery the blacks want reparations the Japanese internment campster in World War II
[4:53:41] The Native American population, I respect, but they are not as pure as the wind-driven snow.
[4:53:50] There were tribal wars and stuff like that.
[4:53:54] We have our history is dirty, but we've changed.
[4:53:59] America has turned the corner, we're moving on to new things.
[4:54:03] If you're going to let racism or the hurts that you felt growing up define you as a culture
[4:54:10] And as a people, we're not moving forward.
[4:54:13] We need to move forward.
[4:54:15] Yeah, I don't know that much about Mr. Kelsey and Mr. Stone.
[4:54:20] Did bad things?
[4:54:22] So did the slave owners, so did the slave holders.
[4:54:25] And if we're just going to be holding
[4:54:26] to the atrocities of our past,
[4:54:29] we will never move forward as a nation.
[4:54:32] We need to unite.
[4:54:33] You know, Kelsey was bad.
[4:54:35] The town, most of the people don't even know
[4:54:38] it's went on back there.
[4:54:40] And we respect the hurt of the people, but we're not going to live and dwell in that.
[4:54:48] We're going to move forward, except the hurt move on to the future.
[4:54:52] Thank you.
[4:54:57] Thank you for your comment.
[4:54:58] Next, please.
[4:55:00] And if we can keep the comments out of that, I would like that you are respected when you are in the microphone and that in return, there is respect given to others on the microphone as well. Please.
[4:55:19] Good afternoon. My name is Kelvin Reed and I live in 9.5451. And we all know what that is.
[4:55:28] I'm going to give you a little different perspective.
[4:55:33] Doc Ow, Buchanau, Auschwitz.
[4:55:36] They all still exist.
[4:55:38] You know why they exist?
[4:55:39] They exist because the people don't ever want to forget what happened to them.
[4:55:43] Can you speak to the Board of Supervisors, please?
[4:55:45] And so, I want you should honor the vote number one.
[4:55:50] I understand that there's bad feelings.
[4:55:52] There's lots of bad feelings.
[4:55:54] You know, we can go on and on.
[4:55:55] You know, Jefferson was a slave owner, Washington was a slave owner.
[4:55:58] we can go on and on and on. What are we going to do? Change every name? It's not about that.
[4:56:02] No, it's not. It's your history. You can't bury your history, less you're doomed to repeat it.
[4:56:08] Okay? And that's why the Germans keep all of those concentration camps there for visitors to see.
[4:56:15] So people never forget what happened. There's a purpose for it. And I will be visiting one of those
[4:56:19] concentration camps in four months. Why? Because I don't want to ever forget. My grandfather was forced
[4:56:27] to drive a German general around because he was a race car driver during World War II.
[4:56:32] Force II, it was either that or he was in the concentration camp just like everybody else.
[4:56:37] So I have history, I know what I'm talking about here. Don't bury the past.
[4:56:43] Don't, we shouldn't be doing that. We need to remember it so that we learn from it.
[4:56:48] Like a point that somebody brought one of you brought up earlier, you know, you couldn't even find
[4:56:53] where it was anymore, when you weren't trying to find it in the history, it was gone, it evaporated.
[4:57:00] Out of sight, out of mind, we can't do that.
[4:57:04] That's all I have to say.
[4:57:05] Thank you for your comment.
[4:57:11] Kyle Bill, I do agree that there wasn't in Justice Dunn.
[4:57:15] The place of Hubenipo should never have been renamed to Kelseyville.
[4:57:19] Today, all of you are presented with a decision of profound moral significance.
[4:57:24] As an indigenous person and a voice for those that cannot speak here today because of genocide,
[4:57:29] I come before you to speak on the matter that transcends the mere renaming of a town.
[4:57:34] It's about writing a wrong of our collective history and taking a step towards healing and deep wounds afflicted on our people.
[4:57:41] The name Kelseyville is a constant reminder of a violent legacy of Andrew Kelsey and Charleston, whose actions toward our ancestors are one of cruelty and injustice.
[4:57:50] this name embedded in our community continues to honor a past that is inflicted tremendous
[4:57:55] suffering on Indigenous people. You must ask yourself, is this the legacy I choose to uphold?
[4:58:01] Is this the story I choose to tell the world about who we are as a community? You have the
[4:58:06] responsibility to change the narrative and to demonstrate that we as a collective community stand
[4:58:11] for truth and reconciliation. By changing the name of the name to connect, we honor the original
[4:58:16] stewards of this land. And we acknowledge the true history and that we begin to heal the
[4:58:22] riffs of the past. This is not merely about altering the signs of a town's border. It's
[4:58:27] about affirming our commitment to justice and respect for all cultures and histories. As you
[4:58:34] consider the options before you truly urge you to think about the message that we will send to
[4:58:38] our children and to the world. Let us show that late counting leads with courage and justice. I
[4:58:45] implore you to make a moral choice and stand on the right side of history and to vote for a change that will stand
[4:58:52] that will start mending wounds of the past. Let us move forward together.
[4:58:58] Not just as neighbors, but as united communities dedicated to justice and moral respect. And I just want to say that I appreciate this process because it's show is getting the opportunity.
[4:59:10] the opportunity to see each of your hearts and where you are. Because there's a difference
[4:59:15] between being an ally and being a true ally or just being a performative ally. And so this
[4:59:22] is your moment to understand that the choices you make will go into the history books and that
[4:59:29] we will remember the choices that you made. So today is a beautiful day because we get to see all
[4:59:36] our hearts today, and who we stand by, and who we support. So I just want to say that.
[4:59:42] Thank you. Thank you for your comment.
[4:59:49] Hello, my name is Barbara Holland Camp, and I live in
[4:59:53] Kelseaville. I was here in July and before I say what I want to say, I find it hard to believe.
[5:00:00] We cannot use profanity, but yet the Board of Supervisors could, when we met in July, that was uncalled for.
[5:00:09] I'm here because the vote was really 70, almost 71% for, against changing the name. I think you have an obligation legally and morally to go forward with that.
[5:00:25] I vote if you're not going to accept what the vote was.
[5:00:30] Thank you.
[5:00:31] Thank you for your comment.
[5:00:36] After this next individual in the room, I'm going to go to a hand.
[5:00:42] That's been waiting in the zoo.
[5:00:45] Good afternoon, members of the board.
[5:00:49] I haven't met our county council yet, and who would that be?
[5:00:54] Lloyd Gwintavano, but please continue your comment.
[5:00:58] I'm very concerned and also in the future that statements that were made on the ballot
[5:01:08] that were so incorrect they were so underlying and our county council did not see fit
[5:01:15] to correct those injustices I will call them okay I hope this doesn't happen in the future
[5:01:28] Supervisor Simon. You called it. When we had the last meeting here, you said, I think I know how this is going to go.
[5:01:37] And you were right. But I think that some of the statements that were on the ballot may have had a big influence on how this went.
[5:01:48] Okay? Also, what's wrong with Kamakdai? I know that there's been a lot of brand work on the
[5:02:04] name Kelseyville. However, Kamakdai has a built-in reputation from Kamakdai Harbor that
[5:02:13] is not local, it's not state, it's not national, it's even international.
[5:02:21] This is a very good name to change this town too.
[5:02:28] And one other thing, let me ask you something, if you went on a vacation, you came back and
[5:02:35] all of your family was dead and the guy that killed them, they named the town after him.
[5:02:41] How would you feel the name of Kelseyville is a slap in the face to all of our tribal brothers
[5:02:50] and sisters?
[5:02:51] That's all I have to say.
[5:02:52] Thank you.
[5:02:54] Thank you for your comment.
[5:02:55] We're going to go to Zoom.
[5:02:57] We have Katie Ray.
[5:03:10] Yeah, we can hear you.
[5:03:11] Can you try again?
[5:03:12] It wasn't very clear.
[5:03:14] Okay.
[5:03:15] Hold on one.
[5:03:15] Hold on.
[5:03:16] It's perfect.
[5:03:16] It's perfect.
[5:03:18] Okay.
[5:03:18] Nishong Nishong, Shikai, Shikai, Kiri Rashogoshah,
[5:03:22] Nomalaki is Ketah.
[5:03:24] Why likely is Ketah?
[5:03:25] Wintun is Ketah.
[5:03:27] Good afternoon.
[5:03:29] A steamed board and community members.
[5:03:32] I'm apologizing first, but I'm not there.
[5:03:34] I'm a Southern California out of conference, otherwise I would.
[5:03:38] During this process, I have had the opportunity to speak with members from both sides.
[5:03:43] I have, of course, been able to speak with many of our tribal members, community members,
[5:03:47] And the number of our youth, which, if I were at home, I would have you there today.
[5:03:54] One of the things that I keep hearing is that we don't want to change the name and erase the history.
[5:04:00] Unfortunately, for many years, our history is not taught.
[5:04:05] Like many have said, you can't find our history in the history books we don't learn about it in school.
[5:04:11] Starting next year, we will be learning about this in ninth grade.
[5:04:15] This will not be forgotten. It will no longer be erased as it is now going to be a part of the curriculum and a graduation requirement for our youth to go through ethnic studies.
[5:04:28] Thankfully, our Board of Supervisors, the sits of him in Lake County, decided not to use the California camps curriculum, but to have us create curriculum to be taught about the local history.
[5:04:39] One of those components is going to be the bloody iron massacre, so they will be learning
[5:04:44] about Kelsey and Stone and everything that happened to the tribes within the community.
[5:04:50] One of the things that really bothers me is that this was not brought up by any of the tribes,
[5:04:55] But we're now the ones that are fighting this fight.
[5:05:00] Like it's been said. And a thing that I see from a lot of the looks that I do in the county is the lack of diversity.
[5:05:09] We need to remember that accessibility is being able to get in the building. The diversity is getting invited to the table.
[5:05:15] Inclusion is having a voice of the table and belonging is having your voice heard at the table.
[5:05:20] We need to make sure that while we're in this process that, yes, we listen to both sides.
[5:05:25] that we remember that we want shielding and not to destroy what we're trying to do here.
[5:05:32] This has been very hard for a lot of us being brown living in Calcidil,
[5:05:37] working in Calcidil, having kids in Calcidil, it is not then and is a year.
[5:05:42] We can tell you that.
[5:05:43] But I still go to fundraisers. I still go to board meetings.
[5:05:47] I still go to a lot of things and sit across the table with people that oppose what I like.
[5:05:53] What I need to hear.
[5:05:54] And I'm going to continue to do that because I want to see change.
[5:05:58] So we need to figure out how to do this to where it doesn't demolish everything that we have
[5:06:02] because the community and the community events and the community ties are amazing in a small town such as
[5:06:09] K-ville.
[5:06:10] So if we can come together and figure something out for all of us, rather than be indicted on what we should do, I think it would be best.
[5:06:18] Thank you.
[5:06:19] Thank you for your comment.
[5:06:22] Anyone else in the Chamber of Wish to speak?
[5:06:24] Please come on up.
[5:06:25] I have no more further hands and zoom at this moment.
[5:06:30] If we were in the John Costa, if we were in the U.S. Senate, 71% would be filibuster proof.
[5:06:39] It would be law.
[5:06:42] But there's a fifth option that none of you have thought of.
[5:06:47] If you don't want to do the people's bidding, resign.
[5:06:54] Your jobs are to do what the people want.
[5:06:58] We took a vote.
[5:07:00] Think about the damage that will be done if you don't follow the vote.
[5:07:07] Why should we vote? Ask yourselves. Why should we vote if you're not going to follow it?
[5:07:15] I understand that you didn't want it on the ballot, but someone told the long time ago reality always wins.
[5:07:27] The reality of it is it was on the ballot.
[5:07:30] But the reality of it is almost 71% said no, you're not going to change that.
[5:07:40] So you can either accept it or come up with an excuse and say, voting doesn't matter,
[5:07:51] voting doesn't matter.
[5:07:53] So then why do you matter?
[5:07:55] Have a good day.
[5:07:58] Thank you for your comment.
[5:08:06] My name is James Tavaras Rubello.
[5:08:09] My great-grandfatherers were Juan Pedro de Silva, Juan Tavarras Robello, Matthew Tien, and Jonathan
[5:08:21] Quorum Jewish.
[5:08:25] You have been elected to serve in our county to represent us, where a country of law
[5:08:32] somebody mentioned earlier, the laws are supposed to be produced of the people, by the
[5:08:38] people and for the people. And we're speaking for the people right now. Passing along to this
[5:08:46] organization that is set up to create these changes. What are they going to do with San Francisco?
[5:08:58] Primaat, Stockton, San Jose, Santa Clara, Santa Rosa, those are all non-native, they're not
[5:09:10] geographic, but they're accepted and I don't think they're going to get changed. They have
[5:09:16] much more of pull than we have, they're much larger than we are. Do your business, do what
[5:09:22] one to do. You chose to have the whole county vote. You could have chosen to have less
[5:09:28] people vote, but everybody got to vote and as they point out over and over 71% voted
[5:09:36] to keep the name. There's a lot of history that all of us have baggage that comes along.
[5:09:44] Here's Stone and Kelsey being thrown out and thrown out. I believe they died at the hands of the tribal people.
[5:09:52] Okay. I hear stories that sound impossible to be that. These two men would hold these all.
[5:10:00] All these tribes as slaves. How do they do it? How do they take all these people to drag them up to the mines to aid for gold? How do they do these things? How do they do any kind of business? Before they are more of the bullails.
[5:10:17] Before that, they were the various missions around. They all have bad sides. Do your job.
[5:10:26] Thank you for your comment,
[5:10:34] Alan Fletcher, citizens for healing.
[5:10:40] When we started the process along a suit and the like, we involved tribal people who
[5:10:47] advised us, and Ron Mantel's senior behind me, got approval from elders of all seven tribes
[5:10:57] before we filed our proposal with the BGN.
[5:11:01] We held them meeting in the Habermas-Talal Hall in Upper Lake and nobody, the tribal members who attended said,
[5:11:11] thank you for doing us. They said they appreciated it was the first time they've invited to sit at the table and that was approval we got before we filed with the BGN.
[5:11:26] In terms of consulting with local people, we held a series of meetings around the lake,
[5:11:31] kicking off as close to Calciples as we could in Big Valley Hall.
[5:11:37] We publicly announced that we were proposing the name Kanakta,
[5:11:42] when opponents came to one other meeting and said,
[5:11:45] what name would you like? They said, Calciples, Calciples, Calciples.
[5:11:48] They refused to even consider another name.
[5:11:53] The ballot is a sledgehammer and the nut is totally correct.
[5:12:02] It was written, so somebody just reading it has no idea why that proposal was to change the name,
[5:12:08] because it's offensive. That wasn't on the ballot. It was just shall we change the name, yes or no.
[5:12:13] Not who buy, not who too, not why, not nothing.
[5:12:18] I'm surprised we even got 30%.
[5:12:20] We don't have two precincts that we got over 50% yes, only 200 voters or so between them, but we did it.
[5:12:30] No, what if the vote had been 3% yes, if only the native Americans had voted yes and everybody else voted no.
[5:12:41] If the vote had been 3% yes, 97% no, was that, have made the name not offensive to the 3%?
[5:12:53] You issued proclamation back in February of 2021, saying the county supports respect.
[5:13:01] Is it respectful to those three percent to insist that they have to endure this offensive and e-calcy?
[5:13:10] Right murder children, Ben Kelsey, shot Indians in the street?
[5:13:16] Those are the people that the name Kelsey talks to.
[5:13:19] one student, know the history.
[5:13:21] They were evil people.
[5:13:23] It's a horrible name.
[5:13:24] It's a terrible brand.
[5:13:26] I think, conduct I, 95, 4, 5, 1.
[5:13:30] We'll survive.
[5:13:31] Thank you.
[5:13:33] Thank you for your comment.
[5:13:41] Good afternoon, Board of Supervisors.
[5:13:43] I'm Flaming McLeod, tribal chairman
[5:13:45] and Big Valley, Rancheria.
[5:13:48] On the ballot, you've seen my name for the argument
[5:13:50] that I didn't write that statement alone.
[5:13:53] That was information and put from all local six tribes of Lake County it just happened to have my name on it
[5:14:02] I was debating on whether to come up here and talk because whatever's going to happen is gonna happen right here
[5:14:09] right
[5:14:10] But I'm compelled because I got people that are behind
[5:14:14] My ancestors my grandmothers and my aunts and uncles just like you two up there
[5:14:19] Right? And so for some of you, I know you have a little bit of confusion going on because you have that push, then you have your conscience to of the position that you hold. I don't admire it. Right?
[5:14:31] You know, with this, uh, name change, right? Whether it goes forward or doesn't, right? I'll let you to know right now, right? From those times, so now we're still here.
[5:14:42] We grow where part of this community and we'll keep growing. We'll keep thriving.
[5:14:46] One thing that I thought of is, I want to thank our champions that help our people, Katie Ray, Kyle Bill, Nancy, all these people that help allies if you call them, right?
[5:14:58] Some are native, some are not, right?
[5:15:00] And whether they know the stuff that we go through or not, you know, they're still there to help our people. They see the stuff that we suffer.
[5:15:07] And it's things that we'll continue to go through on in time, whatever.
[5:15:11] Right? My job as a tribal leader is to help my people progress, protect my people, and do what I can to make them more fortunate and better in the future.
[5:15:20] My, our children, right, because I'm not worried about me, right?
[5:15:25] I'm worried about where we're going in the future, what we have to endure, and all the things that we've endured in the past, our ancestors, all of that, we're still here.
[5:15:34] I'll tell you that again. We're still here. Right. I respect and appreciate how the vote went, right?
[5:15:40] That's how the people spoke. You hit it on the head, right? You said about 30%. I admired the things you say, man.
[5:15:47] because you say it from the heart, you say what you feel,
[5:15:50] you don't care who gets hurt, right?
[5:15:52] Because it's a truth for you, right?
[5:15:57] You know, like I said, whether it any changes
[5:15:58] or it stays, right?
[5:16:00] We're gonna keep thriving, right?
[5:16:02] That's what we do as native people, right?
[5:16:06] And again, I respect what they said.
[5:16:09] They're saying that, you know,
[5:16:11] you guys were putting these positions with votes, right?
[5:16:15] But back in July 30th, right?
[5:16:18] They wanted you guys to have a put to a vote to the county,
[5:16:21] and not respect that you were put there through votes, right?
[5:16:24] And now that it's coming back here,
[5:16:26] it's respect to vote of the county,
[5:16:28] not your guys' decision.
[5:16:30] It's very confusing for me, right?
[5:16:34] And like I said, I have people that stand behind me, right?
[5:16:37] And I didn't want to do a disservice to my ancestors,
[5:16:39] and I'll come up here and speak, right?
[5:16:42] we'll carry forward. We'll be very progressive, but thank you guys. Thank you for your comment.
[5:16:56] So Rob Brown, Kelseyville, in true tradition, I'll probably end up pissing both sides off.
[5:17:00] Here we go. I'm more interested in the integrity of the process and this Board of Supervisors.
[5:17:09] I have a lot invested in that, and I think the Board needs to, first of all, I don't think the election should have taken place.
[5:17:17] to begin with, it was a waste of money, and it's just an advisory, I think efforts could be spent in other areas, and I'll tell you an example of that.
[5:17:27] I've talked to EJ about this. This conversation, all of this time, all of this money, everything that's been spent, would have been much better spent on something that my wife, Angela, I've witnessed over the last several years as we travel over the United States.
[5:17:43] And we go to a lot of different cultural centers, Native American cultural centers throughout the United States and Southwest mostly, but they're unbelievable.
[5:17:53] And that's what we lack here in Lake County. We have a lot to offer with that. I'd like to be a part of that, even though I'm native to Kelseyville, but I'm not native in the same sense that you would speak to here.
[5:18:06] But the county has a ton of land they could donate to that and dip some of these different parks a lot could be spent on that and I think that would be a a positive
[5:18:17] Approach towards healing or whatever that looks like whatever
[5:18:22] I'm a little too old to be using using this feel good stuff, but you know what I mean
[5:18:29] the
[5:18:30] But the board and I
[5:18:32] This is where I piss off the side that I
[5:18:35] probably going to be on, but the board's obligation is not to vote for what the majority
[5:18:40] said, because here you're looking at a guy who voted against every dope grower in the
[5:18:44] county, even though the votes, it was passed, made legal in Lake County and state of California.
[5:18:52] You vote how you feel is right.
[5:18:55] If we voted, if the majority could determine what was right or wrong, we'd still have slavery.
[5:19:02] So I think the board still, and this is, you know, trying to keep, I have the board give the board an opportunity to maintain its integrity as what the board is really about.
[5:19:11] You got to vote with how you feel not with some advisory nonsense votes that probably shouldn't have taken place to begin with.
[5:19:16] I think you should keep the name, but I don't think it's because of, you know, it was actually 74 75.7% in district five and in Kelseyville, where the vote was, but I still want to see the board.
[5:19:31] do the right thing based on their heart, not based on some public opinion poll, basically
[5:19:37] is what this was.
[5:19:38] But I also want to say Jessica with all due respect.
[5:19:42] Neutrality is not leadership.
[5:19:47] Thank you very much.
[5:19:52] Please.
[5:19:53] And then I'm going to jump back to Zoom.
[5:19:55] We've had a hand waiting in the wild.
[5:19:57] Hello.
[5:19:58] Hello.
[5:19:58] Hello.
[5:19:59] Middle Town.
[5:20:00] And I feel that when I was running for supervisor for district one, I'll be taken moat's position.
[5:20:08] If you can please speak to the board.
[5:20:11] One of the things I had brought up, I had the honor of going to the very first Native American forum in Lake County.
[5:20:20] And one of the things I brought up at that point was that there's more than one way to skin a cat, basically.
[5:20:25] I think that we are miss in the culture that Rob had just mentioned, and that's something
[5:20:32] I would really like to see coupled with Kelseyville.
[5:20:36] I believe that we, there's a number obviously, a people that want to keep that name, but
[5:20:42] at the same time, I would love to see something good come out of it.
[5:20:47] Natives, I've always looked up to them and had a great deal of respect for the native culture.
[5:20:54] And I think we're missing an opportunity here to showcase our native culture in this area.
[5:21:01] And I think that something could be built around it that was positive, that would bring
[5:21:06] our, that would bring revenue and education to Lake County and be a centerpiece and be
[5:21:15] able to bring your culture to the forefront here and not just go back 150 years but go back
[5:21:21] thousands of years and share that and use it for education and come up with some type of
[5:21:27] museum or something around all of this I think would be phenomenal and I think it could
[5:21:34] do just and somebody had mentioned the little big horn and custer's last stand well
[5:21:40] they're kind of combined you look up look you look up custer's last stand and it was
[5:21:44] actually at the little big horn so they've used both of them to bring that together
[5:21:49] and I think that we're kind of missing an opportunity here to make
[5:21:55] lemonade at a limit. Thank you. Thank you.
[5:22:01] We're going to go to Zoom. We have
[5:22:02] Ariel.
[5:22:18] All right. Can you hear me now? We can hear you. I don't know how to
[5:22:24] lower the hand. You think that I would have learned that over all these
[5:22:27] years through the pandemic. But at any rate, I have I have started my
[5:22:33] stopwatch because I only get through minutes and I don't want to take too
[5:22:36] much time, but I think it's educational, over at the, oh, by the way, I'm with the Lake
[5:22:43] County Record via Council, I have a program at KPFC, as probably many of you know.
[5:22:49] But, all my reading on this issue, I have not really had the opportunity, oh, and I think
[5:22:57] it might be beneficial for the public to hear from this safe, countable side.
[5:23:04] I know the speakers have talked about Mr. Mark Borgh Gassani has talked about how, and I'm sorry by which are that name, but has talked about how difficult it would be, how expensive it would be to change the name, but there's no hard data that I've seen on that, I mean, to have they ran the numbers, how much would it cost, I mean, then he's a big business person in this community, how expensive would it be, how difficult would it be?
[5:23:33] that type of information has been missing, and just for my own
[5:23:37] education and education, I would like to know that part of the story.
[5:23:40] And I'm sure a lot of people out there in the public would probably benefit from hearing that.
[5:23:43] It's a strange world that we are in now where I live in district five,
[5:23:48] and I proud of Lake County resident, as well as a member of the media, local media,
[5:23:54] but it's a strange world that we're living now where I agree with some of the comments made by
[5:23:59] a supervisor, a district five supervisor, a drop round, but be that as it may. I think it's going to be a
[5:24:07] education like we get that part of the story. That's all I have to say. Thank you.
[5:24:11] Thank you for your comment.
[5:24:13] That's all the hands that I have in Zoom at this moment, some coming back to the chamber.
[5:24:17] Anyone else wish to speak on this item.
[5:24:22] If you've already spoken, I would like.
[5:24:24] I spoke to Matt.
[5:24:26] I'm staying and he suggested.
[5:24:27] Well done. If you've already spoken, we have individuals who have not spoken.
[5:24:31] I'm sorry for that incident.
[5:24:33] I'm sorry.
[5:24:33] So you told me to come up last and present my option number six.
[5:24:37] Thank you.
[5:24:42] So I just like to allow the elder to go if she has a prepared statement.
[5:24:47] And I'll reserve my time up if she's done.
[5:24:58] So we came in today with three options.
[5:25:00] Now we're up to five options. According to the U.S. Board and Geographic names that they're going to be, when they sit down
[5:25:10] to make their decision, they're going to have three options. Option number one is to keep the name
[5:25:16] Kelseyville. Option number two is to change the name to Kelseyville from Kelseyville to
[5:25:27] Chelseaville is offensive, and then send it back to the community to decide on another name.
[5:25:36] Thank
[5:25:45] you.
[5:25:46] Good afternoon, I'm Board of Supervisors, my name's Puzzle Brown, I'm a member of the
[5:25:49] LEM, Pummel Tribe, and I have a statement I'm going to read, and also a few comments
[5:25:55] I want to make as this name change has progressed.
[5:26:00] So first I want to say that Americans have to stop loving all its killers.
[5:26:06] Americans need to stop ordering its killers by naming universities, cities, towns, institutions,
[5:26:11] the streets and their names.
[5:26:13] Unfortunately for the tribal people and the original owners of this land, and but any
[5:26:17] potential equity created by the name James feels like a pression that the European
[5:26:20] American collective of Kelseyville and Lake County.
[5:26:24] When equity feels like a pression, this is a clear sign of the unbalanced power and dynamics
[5:26:27] that support the eraser, minimization, pain and trauma created by the Kelseyville and
[5:26:32] the name Kelseyville.
[5:26:34] This name has perpetuated by the people of Calcyville today as seen and heard over the previous months and dialogue at open hearings, side bars,
[5:26:46] today it's still no concern.
[5:26:48] So the people who don't share live experience with the name of Calcyville and all that it comes comes with it.
[5:26:53] Tribal people's American experience this time in history has been for the most part a continued nightmare.
[5:26:59] And we need to understand that nightmare by having these dialogues and looking into our history.
[5:27:05] Tribal people have survived and lived through the sanctions genocide policies of 24 United States presidents
[5:27:09] and more than 500 years of American settler violence.
[5:27:13] Well documented.
[5:27:15] The European Founding Fathers created a country based on a system of white supremacy,
[5:27:19] racism and colonization at the cost of indigenous peoples of the Western Hemisphere.
[5:27:22] This is the legacy of the United States America has left to us all the people here.
[5:27:28] With that statement being said, there is much truth in that statement.
[5:27:33] We might not all not all agree on the words in that statement, but the situation is that
[5:27:38] we have to come together as a community in the people.
[5:27:41] I've had a few dialogues with Kelseyville citizens who got to hear directly from my mouth and
[5:27:46] my concerns with the name of Kelseyville and productive dialogue happened and one of the things
[5:27:53] that the citizens for healing did was create opportunity to have a dialogue that is currently
[5:28:00] happening with some levels of our community. And there's a way forward. There's a way
[5:28:06] forward for us to learn about what has happened here. One of the things that I think is important
[5:28:11] is when we talk about erasure, the place names that were changed when the Kelsey's arrived that
[5:28:18] name would have never changed if they didn't kill the people they killed. So we have to look at
[5:28:22] balance in what took place. We'd like to dismiss it because for some of us it
[5:28:26] happened so long ago. Well for many of us that's just two generations away. And so
[5:28:31] we have to understand these dynamics and create a solution. I heard on the way over here
[5:28:38] former supervisor Brown talked about a cultural center. That's an important step to
[5:28:42] talking about the history. That's an important step to inform our community of what has
[5:28:47] happened here. And until we do that there's always going to be this dialogue of
[5:28:52] who's wrong and your three minutes are up and all the things that come with it so I just
[5:28:57] like to say an Indian that dialogue needs to continue and also as the owner of customer number
[5:29:03] said, I would like to be involved in that dialogue as it moves forward. So thank you for your time.
[5:29:08] I
[5:29:12] see no one getting up in the chamber if you have another comment to make. I will go ahead and take
[5:29:20] your second comments, I do have another one from a second as well in Facebook, Facebook.
[5:29:27] Zoom, if we can keep it to one minute since this is your second time coming up, I'd like to.
[5:29:32] Because many minutes as you will allow me, it seems it appears to me now that I've heard all this dialogue that really is, there's a giant gap of own education.
[5:29:40] These guys think they actually voted on something.
[5:29:43] And actually, to dovetail off with a gentleman said, who's on the other side of what I believe in, he said.
[5:29:49] That it was a public opinion survey and it actually was like a litmus test like a pulse to see how many people are paying attention in this county has nothing to do with registered voters or how many actually
[5:30:00] We got their took us out and voted. What it has to do with is that the wording on that vote, I voted, okay? I'm a registered voter.
[5:30:10] I'm a card carrying registered voter, okay? And that dialogue was completely slanted. Hey, they've decided already.
[5:30:20] So why would I not go to the majority if I'm uneducated or ignorant in the true sense of the word, not knowing the story?
[5:30:27] Because in me it's black and white. There are two sides to this. If they know about it and they're educated
[5:30:33] They're sure they're not going to want to be named a town after it like he said if they're uneducated and they're ignorant of the facts
[5:30:40] Please finish then they are going to be a cheerleader for a ridiculous cause which is reprehensible
[5:30:49] Thank you
[5:30:50] Thank you for your comment
[5:30:59] We're done at this point, we're done at this point.
[5:31:03] If we can get Nora on Zoom for a final comment, again, please, I'll keep it to one minute.
[5:31:11] Absolutely.
[5:31:11] It's real quick.
[5:31:12] I would just like to stand by I've learned on that option that was not discussed that
[5:31:17] we tell the BDN, we would like to change the name as a community, but we'd like
[5:31:21] chance for us to come together and find a name that we get all work with. I think that seems to be from all the comments, the most amicable decision that will allow more education, allow more conversation amongst people. I think we've actually come really far since earlier this year and it's really great to see. So thank you again, Lorna for stepping in. I know you've taken a lot of heat for this.
[5:31:45] Thank you for your comment.
[5:31:46] So I'm going to close down public comment to this point, actually, I'll make one last call any further public comments before I shut it down.
[5:31:55] Okay, so there are still more.
[5:31:59] If you don't stand up and line up, I-
[5:32:01] I- I don't worry.
[5:32:02] I don't know.
[5:32:02] I don't know.
[5:32:02] I don't know.
[5:32:03] I don't know.
[5:32:03] I don't know.
[5:32:07] It is hard to be a Native American today as it hasn't really changed.
[5:32:18] When you talk about this history, it's not history.
[5:32:23] The mentality still goes on today.
[5:32:25] There's still racism.
[5:32:27] I experienced it myself.
[5:32:28] I sat in a restaurant.
[5:32:30] I said, I'm just telling me that all my people do
[5:32:33] is get drunk all day long.
[5:32:34] Live in dirty homes, live off their parents.
[5:32:37] I have no parents.
[5:32:38] I rent, I go to school, I have an education.
[5:32:42] You told me I was not educated.
[5:32:43] I held a A, A. I'm a single mom.
[5:32:46] I'm raising my child by myself.
[5:32:49] It is not done. It's not over. It continues. That name continues to bear the mentality that was done a long time ago.
[5:33:05] That's not considered. You guys tell us to get over it. How do you get over something like that? You can't get over that.
[5:33:14] it's historical trauma, it's trauma that our kids will carry. My kid's going to carry
[5:33:22] that. His kid is going to carry that. He's my second generation. I got seven, five other
[5:33:29] that I need to worry about. In my time. In my time being here on earth and being a tribal leader.
[5:33:37] I need to speak for them.
[5:33:42] He's here. I pulled him out of school so he could be here. So he's
[5:33:45] He's sitting here listening to all of this, and he's going to grow up understanding what this board is for, and their decisions that they make.
[5:33:55] And like Kyle said, you're guys, his hearts.
[5:34:01] Your actions here today in your lack thereof and your decisions in lack thereof are speaking louder than what you are not saying.
[5:34:10] and he's going to know that
[5:34:15] your job is not to be liked. I sit on my counsel. My job isn't to be liked. My job is to make the right decisions for my people and to make sure that what I do, the business, I conduct better serves their life and that is your job.
[5:34:37] Thank you for your comment. I believe there was more.
[5:34:42] I, Mary Morris, Kelceville resident,
[5:34:47] a lot of us do recognize the horrible things that have happened in the past.
[5:34:53] Unfortunately, we can't change that. We also don't want to forget it. I really like the idea of the cultural system.
[5:35:00] Which I think is way past overdue. What I would like to say is one person commented that there's not, it's not that big a deal to change the name for people.
[5:35:14] Our Kelseyville community is a huge amount of senior citizens, a large amount of them on social security, so very limited income.
[5:35:25] It's like moving them to another town because they have to change everything, all of their bills, all of their documents.
[5:35:35] It all has to be changed. Excuse me.
[5:35:38] Yes, they do. If someone sends something to the town of Kelseyville through the postal service, which they have told us,
[5:35:47] We have six months to change the name or they reject the mail, and that's called the post office.
[5:35:54] That's a fact.
[5:35:56] So what I'm saying is we do recognize the pain and I feel for everybody in here that has dealt with that.
[5:36:04] I don't know how they feel.
[5:36:06] We've all had issues in our lives, but that's not the point right now.
[5:36:10] So my point is just very simple, to me the worst damage is going to be done to our elders,
[5:36:17] no matter what nationality they are. 11% of Kelseyville is Native American and that came out
[5:36:23] in the 2020 census, which is actually the highest number around the lake of natives. We have a very
[5:36:32] large. This is going to be a hardship on all of them. And I ask you to just consider really how much healing
[5:36:40] I think there's better ways to heal than to change the name.
[5:36:44] None of us are proud of that, the man that they named just the first settler.
[5:36:48] That's why it was named.
[5:36:50] It wasn't, after him, it was after the first settler.
[5:36:53] We're not proud of that.
[5:36:55] And we're the first ones to tell people, you know, that monument makes him sound like he was this great.
[5:37:01] He was not.
[5:37:02] He was a horrible man.
[5:37:03] He deserved to die as did stone, but we can move on in a more positive way.
[5:37:10] And I just think of our seniors and that's my biggest concern is how and I've been told by a lot of the natives
[5:37:16] Well then you need to go take care of it for them. I own a business. I can't be running around to people that don't know me for them
[5:37:24] To give me their personal private information
[5:37:28] So I'm asking you to please consider the bigger picture than just
[5:37:33] Healing which healing is so important. I agree
[5:37:36] But it's not the whole picture because this is going to be very wounding to many, many people.
[5:37:43] Thank you for your time.
[5:37:45] Thank you for your comment.
[5:37:47] Is there anybody else in the board chamber that wishes to make a public comment?
[5:38:01] My name is Francis Ford, I live in Lake County.
[5:38:04] I live in the KLCville area.
[5:38:07] I've been there not as long as some, and longer than some others.
[5:38:10] I'm here to just ask that you remember the word you said in July that would maybe create
[5:38:22] the hope that you would make an agenda for the BGN, several of you that said that you
[5:38:35] would love to see it changed, and I would hope that if you can't do it together, you would
[5:38:41] do it separately as yourselves, as citizens of yourselves. I don't know what you all think,
[5:38:53] what you think about Kelseyville or why, but I feel like I was lied to again. And I've
[5:39:02] lot of information about the natives and the things that they've been promised and the things
[5:39:09] that they've lived through. And I feel like it was just another lie, putting it on the ballot.
[5:39:18] Thank you. Thank you very much.
[5:39:36] Did you want to make a comment, sir?
[5:39:38] Please. Come on up to the microphone.
[5:39:45] I know that somebody offered some help and he said he was
[5:39:47] Thank
[5:39:51] you Kevin. Good afternoon.
[5:39:55] My name is Francis William Howell and I love you.
[5:40:00] Live in that alleged town.
[5:40:05] I hope that by the time you people reach my age, that you have something
[5:40:10] better to do with your time, then to try to convince people that the human part of humanity
[5:40:24] has a meaning. Now I know that's a tough question. However,
[5:40:40] I think that I think you
[5:40:42] will all do the right thing, which would probably be changing the name of that
[5:40:48] down to anything, anything but Andrew. I mean the guy was a devil.
[5:40:58] Thank you. Thank you very
[5:40:59] much. Thank you for your comment.
[5:41:06] One minute,
[5:41:09] couple seconds. I disagree with what the
[5:41:13] lady said earlier about the mail as long as you put zip code on it, it doesn't matter what
[5:41:21] says it will go through. That's all there is to it. Thank you for your comment. Is there any other
[5:41:31] public comment before I close down public comment?
[5:41:37] And so you've already spoken so one minute.
[5:41:41] Second to that. You know, I want to mention that the information that was put out
[5:41:49] You know, onto the ballot wasn't correct, and they said there was some involvement with the, you know,
[5:41:58] supervisors and everybody on crafting this, that be considered, and also, you know, the changes
[5:42:06] come from the top down.
[5:42:08] So everything changes that people don't have to change the names of their businesses, they don't
[5:42:13] have to go to the DMV for the licenses or for the
[5:42:17] deeds or wills everything's done from the top down and
[5:42:20] that's it that's how it was done thank you for your
[5:42:26] comment any one else I'm going to head and close public
[5:42:32] comments I do see that we have a hand in zoom but I've
[5:42:35] already provided a second attempt for the comments so I'm
[5:42:39] going to shut that down as well bring it back to the board for
[5:42:44] their deliberation or action and supervisor Simon.
[5:42:49] Thank you, Jay, help me.
[5:42:50] Vice Chair Crandell.
[5:42:51] Thank you.
[5:42:54] Thanks for coming.
[5:42:54] Once one folks come up and you're constantly
[5:42:57] pile on top and pile on top.
[5:42:59] I think that's where this starts.
[5:43:01] Being right, being wrong, being for tact.
[5:43:06] What really hits me today that I appreciate
[5:43:09] is from many people here is education.
[5:43:14] Let's come to the table and talk.
[5:43:15] I think that's a great thing to hear, and I think that's the right direction as well.
[5:43:21] I like what Chairman Head said from Big Valley.
[5:43:25] Lehman Head said is that we're going to be here regardless.
[5:43:28] And that goes for everybody.
[5:43:30] No one's going to leave.
[5:43:31] I know at times there's been people that have come on and told people to go somewhere or do this or do.
[5:43:36] No one's going to leave.
[5:43:38] That's not what's going to happen.
[5:43:40] So I'll start with that because I didn't write that or prepare that.
[5:43:44] But that's just what I'm feeling right now.
[5:43:48] I do also want to give a appreciation to people
[5:43:51] that have taken time to come here to write comments.
[5:43:55] In a tactful and respectful way, that's very important,
[5:43:58] because there's been a lot that weren't.
[5:44:02] And it makes it hard to not be personal when you're sitting
[5:44:06] here or even in general.
[5:44:09] I feel like this issue was thrust it among all of us, amongst all of us, by this submittal
[5:44:16] to change, to connect, and no other name.
[5:44:21] There were tribal historic officers and other tribal folks that have stated that should
[5:44:24] have been deferred to the local tribe for what name that they felt it should be or what historically
[5:44:30] is connected to that. In fact, the actual name of that town since time immorial before this was
[5:44:37] called Honopati, which means fire village in a tribal historic preservation officer had taught
[5:44:44] me that and showed me that. This issue has been dormant since the mascot change of 2008.
[5:44:52] With this, the tribal people have had to get on board with what's been pushed without a lot of
[5:45:00] They said they had comments from elders.
[5:45:04] The fact that there was no tribal leadership that imposed anything or had that option, when I was speaking with someone had said they tried to do that, but didn't know how.
[5:45:15] Now that's like a lack of due diligence. And it feels like that that was done as in position to say, well, we know that the natives listened to their elders. So let's just go here. It's another move to win, right?
[5:45:27] that's frustrating. In a situation as sensitive and as divisive as this, you want to take that due diligence and do proper protocols and actually collaborate with everyone in general to make sure.
[5:45:44] There's statements, you know, and I only say this for educational purposes, so I'm not saying this to win.
[5:45:50] But there's statements that it was named after Andrew Kelsey, but according to the Napa County Historical Society as Lake County was previously part of Napa County.
[5:46:00] The entry list that as Napa County's Uncle Sam Mountain quoted after Lake County was established in 1861.
[5:46:07] Uncle Sam was referred to as Kelsey Creek or Kelsey.
[5:46:10] And in 1882, the Uncle Sam Post Office became Kelseyville Post Office reflecting official renaming of the town in memory of Andrew Kelsey on October 4.
[5:46:19] of that year. Uncle Sam precinct is found on the 1892 official map of Lake County as is the Uncle
[5:46:26] Sam school district but by 1907 Uncle Sam school had become Kelseyville Grammar school and the
[5:46:32] name Uncle Sam Mountain was drifted into history. And I also say that his remains were also
[5:46:38] exhumed and buried under this monument. There's also statements that you can't change history yet
[5:46:45] it was changed from Honopati to Uncle Sam, then to Kelseyville.
[5:46:51] So the previous history since time immemorial was already erased as well.
[5:46:57] I'd like to add one more thing because I was misquoted in an article by the media stating
[5:47:02] that I was talking about Native people, which I wasn't. I was talking about the land spanning from
[5:47:07] around Bottle Rock Road area to Elk Mountain all the way to Glen Haven would have been the reservation
[5:47:14] for the Lake County Tribes had the Treaty of Lupe Omia been ratified.
[5:47:19] This area would be a reservation, and the Tribes would be there, so this wouldn't even
[5:47:23] be a topic of discussion, had that been ratified and honored.
[5:47:31] So, I'd like to also note that there was a resolution attached unanimously supported
[5:47:36] by the National Congress of American Indians, which consists of 574 federally recognized tribes
[5:47:42] in the nation to support a name change.
[5:47:50] I don't feel this was a waste of time with the advisory vote or a waste of resources.
[5:47:56] The vote does matter with history and mind when our great grandchildren, great great grandchildren
[5:48:01] look back on the town being named after Andrew Kelsey and wonder why would we do this?
[5:48:06] They'll look back and see where at least I know where I stood in light of many threats,
[5:48:11] ridicule and shame, which, you know, I still value your voice, regardless. I know that it doesn't
[5:48:21] feel like it, but I do. I respect it, and I hold no ill will. This is just the subject that we have,
[5:48:29] and this is an opinion that we have, and it's very close to all of us. At a respect for my colleagues,
[5:48:35] I went with the advisory vote and I struggled with that if you didn't notice I had an opportunity to end this discussion at that time
[5:48:46] So in fact despite the decision today and despite the decision of the board of geographical names
[5:48:52] Will not end here?
[5:48:54] We do not change this the board of geographical names does and then from there where does it go because it's gonna keep going somewhere
[5:49:02] That's why I really like the talk of education
[5:49:06] Lastly, I'd just like to highlight someone that said that I should not vote because I'm native.
[5:49:13] Wow, imagine if all votes were based off of ethnicity.
[5:49:19] So I would like to say that I appreciate your comments.
[5:49:24] Regardless, this is a tough discussion, but it's not going anywhere regardless.
[5:49:28] We are going to have to still live amongst each other.
[5:49:30] I don't like that it was arrested upon us, especially it wasn't the tribes who brought it forward.
[5:49:37] And I likened this to a situation where someone tossed a rock, and it's like we've got to get on board now, right?
[5:49:47] Because naturally someone who's being feels that they're being threatened when it comes to the Kelseyville name, they're going to fight back.
[5:49:52] They're going to say I want to keep this name.
[5:49:55] And I think that's why it's laid dormant for so long.
[5:49:59] So I think...
[5:50:00] That's what frustrates me, but at the same time, I know that there was an intent to do good and to try and do something moral.
[5:50:07] And so I don't want to make the folks that tried to do this feel like they're bad for doing it. I know that was an attempt to do right.
[5:50:17] So, I'm just going to say that I'm in favor of option two, and that's the only one I'll be going for voting for.
[5:50:30] Thank you very much, Vice Chair.
[5:50:32] Supervisor Simon.
[5:50:34] Yeah, appreciate everybody's comments today.
[5:50:36] Everybody knows where I stand.
[5:50:38] Very clearly. I said it at the last meeting.
[5:50:40] I'm very clear about it.
[5:50:41] Change the name, the healing can start.
[5:50:43] A couple of people came up and said, we can't do nothing about it.
[5:50:46] Yeah, he can do something about it.
[5:50:49] You know, from a leadership standpoint, it is tough.
[5:50:53] It wasn't advisory vote.
[5:50:55] I wanted it on record where there's county stood with its native population.
[5:50:58] It's on record now.
[5:50:59] No running away from it. I got what I wanted. I've made that very clear here. And just to let you guys know, we've been working on cultural center for 30 years. I've been a leader of my tribe for that long.
[5:51:11] And we've been working on it. We'll figure it out when we get enough funds to do it. Don't worry. We'll have one of the best in the world. And we're working on it, you know, as nations.
[5:51:20] This isn't going away. Whether you think you win or you lose one side or the other here, the education is started.
[5:51:27] People have stood in the room and said, I did not know what this vote meant or who we are voting for.
[5:51:32] The education is started.
[5:51:34] Town of Kelseyville name will change before they put me back in the earth.
[5:51:38] I'll guarantee that.
[5:51:40] I wanted this to be a national focus.
[5:51:42] I wanted us to understand and work together.
[5:51:45] You've never heard me say, I wanted the name Kanoctai.
[5:51:48] I haven't ever said that.
[5:51:50] That's what came before us.
[5:51:51] I think you guys have built a brand name in Kelseyville.
[5:51:55] Paraville I think would be better than Kelseyville. I think that the scully packing that family that is done
[5:52:01] positive things there
[5:52:03] You wouldn't have to change your name marker your business. You know, if Kelseyville lumber that's the name you want to have you can have that name
[5:52:11] You know, I've heard you made that statement a couple of times. I walk through those doors
[5:52:15] You know, we do business together. None of this stuff is a personal attack on anybody
[5:52:20] But my beliefs and my people were murdered and massacred.
[5:52:24] The first governor of this state paid $1 million for the heads and the bodies of native
[5:52:31] people.
[5:52:32] Just to continue on with the taking of our land and to put us where we needed to be.
[5:52:37] But we're still here.
[5:52:38] I was the first native elected almost 100 years after we were even able to vote or
[5:52:44] consider people not animals and dogs.
[5:52:46] And so, proudly this county has come forward.
[5:52:51] 30% people voted right now and that advisory thing to help us move forward.
[5:52:55] And that's a positive step.
[5:52:57] The education is started.
[5:52:59] Air is no turning it off.
[5:53:01] You're going to be able to stand on one side of the other.
[5:53:04] It may, we may vote positively.
[5:53:06] I don't know how it's going to turn out today, but you know I'm voting.
[5:53:10] Change the name.
[5:53:11] Bottom line.
[5:53:12] From the beginning of this,
[5:53:15] I'm sorry for the position that it's put some of these folks in because it's a tough one.
[5:53:19] It is.
[5:53:20] And when you have hatred thrown at you and you have slurs and you have get over whatever,
[5:53:26] you know, to have those kind of things that shock you, it's what we live with every day,
[5:53:31] every day.
[5:53:32] When I leave this room today, if you think I'm not going to be, you know,
[5:53:36] louted for saying what I say, I always am.
[5:53:39] But I try to be up front, try to have conversations, I've had proud conversations
[5:53:43] for people say, I completely disagree with you, but you're up front and you let me know where
[5:53:48] you stand.
[5:53:49] So, and I've heard off this diocese before I was a board member, I heard a member on this
[5:53:53] diocese right here when I was here asking for something for business, say it isn't the job
[5:53:58] of this board to take care of the Indians in this county.
[5:54:00] Well, we got damn changed that, didn't we?
[5:54:03] And yes, that's a cussword.
[5:54:05] I apologize that it's there, but people do use foul language, not only here, heck, they fight
[5:54:11] the U.S. Senate, right? They try to punch each other, push you. That's not what we're doing.
[5:54:16] We're going to come together as a community, whether people want to or not, we're never going to
[5:54:20] agree on everything. But as the chairman said from Big Valley, we ain't going to where they tried to
[5:54:26] kill us, rape us, murder us, take our land, burn us out, destroy all of our vegetation and say the
[5:54:33] first agricultural here was great. No, the first agricultural here was Manzanita Berry's acorn. They hit
[5:54:40] Those were here before any of this stuff started.
[5:54:44] I am always who I am.
[5:54:46] I appreciate everybody.
[5:54:47] I respect you if there's a disaster.
[5:54:50] Our people will always be there to help the community as we do.
[5:54:53] I myself will be there to help the community as I do.
[5:54:55] And many friends and family I stand or friends
[5:54:58] that are on the different side of this.
[5:55:00] Subject, that doesn't affect the people that I've known all my lives. So you guys know how I want it voted. We're going to come down to a vote today. And then it's not going to stop there. Even if we got the vote today, as this board of a majority, to change the name, there's a new board coming in at the beginning of the year. That very well could be brought back by the new board. So I'm in no, you know, fanny single end that whatever happens today. It's over with. If you look at the history of this, the SQU
[5:55:29] name was changed, but then the Board of Supervisors down there in Fresno turned around and
[5:55:35] didn't want to honor that change.
[5:55:37] That's conversation is still going on.
[5:55:38] So I am no fool on how this stuff works and no one else should be fooled by that either.
[5:55:44] But if we're going to come together, I think we got a chance to do it after all these meetings
[5:55:48] and what has happened in that advisory boat.
[5:55:50] I heard some people that were staunch about no change in names, we're going to be talking
[5:55:54] about it.
[5:55:55] So if you think the tribes are going to take that opportunity over the next decade to work
[5:55:59] this or the next 20 years till it's changed it's going to get changed because we ain't going anywhere.
[5:56:05] It's that simple. So thank you guys very much. I appreciate it. And yeah, I don't
[5:56:10] avoid Kelseyville. I love what Kelseyville does up there but let's get a different name on that.
[5:56:14] And I got to use Kelseyville right now because that's what it's called. I'd rather call it a different name
[5:56:19] but we're not there yet. So we'll continue working on it. So that's what I have to say. You guys know
[5:56:25] stand. Let's get the vote done. And I said it when the advisory I just wanted on record.
[5:56:32] So when we have a discussion I will know exactly where we're standing and the work that I got to
[5:56:36] do as a person to get things changed in this county. And I think I've done a pretty good job.
[5:56:42] We have done a pretty good job and the constituents have done a good job. You got two native people
[5:56:46] setting on this board. Something to be proud of. But only one in the state's history
[5:56:51] That late county has that that's a pretty God darn good thing as far as I'm concerned so anyway
[5:56:58] That's all I got to say. Thank you for your time
[5:57:02] Thank you for your comments
[5:57:05] Supervisor Green
[5:57:09] some tough acts to follow
[5:57:11] Some apologizing advance for my very boring comments, but when I'm looking at the BGN process
[5:57:17] It helps to read the directions from time to time and
[5:57:20] and so I did that. I've gone through their principles policies and procedures quite a bit and they're applicable to the comments I've heard here today, pro and con.
[5:57:33] So the general result of the advisory ballot measure, strong preference to keep the name, in the BGM principles, there's a strong preference to keep existing names.
[5:57:44] Whether they're good people or bad people, it's not really called out in there, but if there's a historical name in there,
[5:57:51] the underlying principle that the board of geographic names is to let sleep and dogs lie.
[5:57:55] That's probably not the best way to put it.
[5:57:59] But in that context, just to give some credence to what's been spoken here today,
[5:58:05] Kelseyville is an existing place name that is widely published and used in legal documents.
[5:58:09] substantial evidence exists that the place name derives from the settlement of Andrew
[5:58:14] Kelsey and Charles Stone and has historical significance.
[5:58:19] President Day usage and local preference as established by measure you and other public
[5:58:23] input from July and before are sufficient in and of themselves to establish
[5:58:29] Kelceville of deserving of strong consideration by BGN to leave the name in place.
[5:58:35] That said, that underlying principle has several other rules and regulations and policy
[5:58:42] for the geographic names uses to establish when a compelling reason might exist to change
[5:58:49] a name.
[5:58:51] And the petition that citizens for healing filed is best classified as one under BTN's terms,
[5:59:00] a petition made to eliminate particular name problems as in proposals involving names asserted
[5:59:05] be derogatory or offensive.
[5:59:08] And on the short form list of the BGN,
[5:59:11] the Kelseyville petition is described as one
[5:59:13] made to change name considered offensive.
[5:59:16] Four words.
[5:59:19] Very quickly, there's another policy in BGN involving
[5:59:22] commemorative names.
[5:59:23] So although I want to acknowledge that there's a strong preference
[5:59:27] for a historical name, there's no evidence that's been presented
[5:59:30] to this body that I'm aware of that the naming of Kelseyville
[5:59:33] is a personal commemorative name that some family members came up later and said let's do
[5:59:41] this sounds more like an accidental legacy thing that the post office eventually picked up
[5:59:46] if I heard right from my colleague. So I just want to mention that commemorative name policy
[5:59:52] because I don't think it applies to Kelseyville. I don't think there was any commemoration intentionally
[5:59:58] granted of on-nester Kelsey.
[6:00:00] And I also think that just for BGN's thing, I don't think BGN should by default uphold names that commemorate white settlers of European heritage without any consideration of the areas earliest indigenous residents.
[6:00:15] The widespread practice of applying personal commemorative names to geographic features should be acknowledged by BGN as antithetical to the preservation of native place names.
[6:00:26] And this policy in particular should not be applied during BGN's consideration of the petition regarding Kelseyville.
[6:00:34] Here's the most important policy in those guidelines, derogatory and offensive names.
[6:00:40] This policy allows BGN to consider on a case-by-case basis, whether a place name is derogatory or offensive.
[6:00:46] And on this subject, it's game set match, our tribal nations have stood up consistently over
[6:00:57] many years, not just in hearing of this, about the injustices done, not just in Kelseyville,
[6:01:03] what is now called Kelseyville by Andrew Kelsey and Charlestone, but by generations of settlers
[6:01:09] that came in after that and set up camp on what used to be tribal lands and subdivided them
[6:01:16] and turned them into a little euro centric part of Europe such that we are looser and we are
[6:01:21] niece and we are the clearly highlands and the only distinction between that and Kelseyville
[6:01:27] is those European place names are not named after a murderous thug like Andrew Kelsey.
[6:01:36] So this policy
[6:01:36] is where the rubber meets the road.
[6:01:39] This policy clarifies that BGN will not approve any name that just determined to be offensive
[6:01:44] to a particular racial or ethnic group.
[6:01:48] Kelseyville is offensive to our Native American, brothers, sisters, and ancestors.
[6:01:54] And if you haven't had the opportunity in your own lives, whether you've lived here all
[6:01:59] your life or whether you're just coming to Lake County, if you have a process that, Kelseyville
[6:02:06] is an offensive name to Native Americans and to a small plurality of Lake County residents
[6:02:13] who are not Native American, based by the 30% plurality in the measure U-Bove.
[6:02:21] Tribal geographic names cannot die as one.
[6:02:24] There are others.
[6:02:25] I also appreciate the comments about, you know what, if we'd had a little more time, we
[6:02:28] might have worked on this and would have appreciated the opportunity to work together on this
[6:02:34] and had the ability to vet it, not just with our seven
[6:02:38] sovereign nations, but with the other community members who
[6:02:41] are going to inherit this name.
[6:02:45] So you've got to play the hand you're dealt.
[6:02:48] And so the petition happened.
[6:02:49] There was some level of tribal consultation.
[6:02:53] And the proposed and deemed change to Knotty
[6:02:55] does meet all of the BGN-stated criteria.
[6:02:58] Knotty is a dominant topographic feature of the kill
[6:03:01] area and much of Lake County and the mountain itself looms large in geological, historical, and cultural context.
[6:03:10] Finally, I want to point out that this is not going to be the last thing.
[6:03:14] Public input is still open at BGN EXEC at USGS.gov.
[6:03:20] I confirm that yesterday and all the principles, policies and procedures, I'm talking about
[6:03:25] are available on the USGS website under the Board of Geographic names and if you haven't had
[6:03:31] opportunity to read them, I encourage you to do that now. So I want to put that in context
[6:03:36] of the advisory ballot measure because the Board of Geographic Names didn't say go out
[6:03:40] into a ballot measure and we'll honor that. Their open-ended procedure is together and present
[6:03:47] all relevant information needed for their board to render its decision. Their procedure expressly
[6:03:53] calls for consultation with the Board of Supervisors and it further allows for tribal
[6:03:58] consultation. The procedure does not describe how or whether the results of local ballot
[6:04:04] measures pertaining to proposed name changes should be considered in federal proceedings.
[6:04:11] So I know that's kind of a lot to process after a long day, but some people have said
[6:04:18] this is such a mysterious process. It really isn't. The general principle is we don't change
[6:04:28] be ample compelling reasons, plural, and this point.
[6:04:33] And one reason why we would think about doing it now versus later, or 300 years from
[6:04:37] now, is look at the argument we're having over this.
[6:04:42] We don't even agree what Kelseyville is.
[6:04:45] Is it the small census designated place of about 3,300 people, the town people themselves,
[6:04:52] but the thing I most associate with Kelseyville, is that the larger county census division,
[6:04:58] or the Kelseyville planner.
[6:05:00] In the general plan, is it to Kelsea Bill unified school district boundary or Kelsea Bill fire protection district, or is it even larger zip code area of 9, 5, 4, 5, 1.
[6:05:12] The murderous name of Kelsea has expanded over the years by inaction and just the assumption that the whole region now is named after Mr. Kelsea, not just the small little settlement.
[6:05:26] And we have to be upfront in addressing not just the racial discrimination of years passed against American Indians.
[6:05:40] I always down at the Library on Saturday, I was trying to figure out that monument at the end of Main Street,
[6:05:46] how that came to be and what role the county had in it.
[6:05:50] And unfortunately I couldn't find any information.
[6:05:52] Apparently we did have a role and I just couldn't figure out exactly what.
[6:05:57] Um, and that money match just speaks me in a hundred different ways.
[6:06:00] It's like berries of lead.
[6:06:02] It's like, here's the first Adobe settlement.
[6:06:04] Oh, by the way, it was built with slave labor and by the way, the guys that did it are buried
[6:06:08] here.
[6:06:09] I don't know of any other historical money, but it does that.
[6:06:13] And it's, it's wrong.
[6:06:16] But as I'm going through the newspaper, it used to be the Lake County Bee before it was
[6:06:21] the record Bee.
[6:06:22] I find other things in there like, uh, on A1 news, oh, we're going to have a minced
[6:06:28] show, put on by the odd fellows, and they're going to have it at the Kelseyville High School
[6:06:32] gym. Like, oh, that was a different time. Rotary phones were coming to Lakeport, 1950. It's hard
[6:06:41] to process. You can't change history, but you sure can be selective in your remembrance of it.
[6:06:50] And if you learn history, like I learned history in high school, you got no education on Native Americans,
[6:06:56] My high school, Fresno High School, three years ago went through its little mascot change drama.
[6:07:02] And then I go to my high school reunion, and there's still so mad about it.
[6:07:06] And I never even heard about it until after the fact.
[6:07:09] So my sense of outrage or lack thereof is muted by proximity by the blessings of distance and time.
[6:07:19] So although this is very in your face and all that right now,
[6:07:21] I hope that the good people of Killsville and they are good people understand that if they
[6:07:28] don't know which way the wind is blow and they're going to know after today.
[6:07:34] I am sensitive to Mr. Porcosani's comments and others that we need time to process.
[6:07:40] So if I were going to offer any type of friendly amendment to option 2, it would be to definitely
[6:07:48] We recommend that the name change, the name Kelseyville has got to go by by, but my understanding
[6:07:54] of this process is next stop is going to be the California Advisory Committee on
[6:07:58] Geographic Names, our state government also has an Office of Tribal Affairs.
[6:08:05] It'd be nice to kind of circle back and do some listening sessions to have some dialogue
[6:08:10] before making a recommendation on the actual name change cannot die.
[6:08:14] That said, if there's consensus to go ahead with that,
[6:08:17] I'll certainly support that.
[6:08:20] But if I were to craft something,
[6:08:28] it would be option to
[6:08:31] with the recommendation to refer the proposed name change
[6:08:35] to CACGN and their state partners before bringing it back
[6:08:40] to BGN for consideration.
[6:08:43] But I'm not going to burden this discussion
[6:08:45] with that form of the motion right now, but as to the core issue, do I support the name change
[6:08:53] as the petition with BGM currently requests? Yes, I do. And I'm open to any number of any
[6:09:02] number of discussions about whether we're locking cannot buy. And one reason I would do that is
[6:09:06] it is possible that we future discussions will kind of soften hearts and minds. I think today's
[6:09:13] It is the temperature is much different than it was at the end of July, and I want to thank you all because I can see that you're working on this.
[6:09:22] And I can't sit up here saying, like, oh, I'm just the arbitrary moral justice here because two years ago, you know,
[6:09:30] we talked about like, oh, it's just our opinions. We have to respect the opinions of the people. Well, we also have to protect the people.
[6:09:36] We have to provide for the public safety, health safety and welfare of all our residents, all our residents and on top of that we have to represent the county government itself.
[6:09:48] We have to maintain good tribal relations.
[6:09:51] We don't have the luxury of just blowing things off and future collaboration on any note.
[6:10:00] A number of environmental projects, building projects, cultural building projects relies on a common shared vision.
[6:10:08] We couldn't even get a land acknowledgement. You know, it's going to think about that and then they blew it up at the school districts.
[6:10:14] So God forbid, we bring an land acknowledgement. I was hoping we could acknowledge it today.
[6:10:19] We are on ancestral lands of criminal peoples. So I've kind of rambled now, but there is some method to my madness.
[6:10:27] I am very sympathetic. If I'm off the board in three weeks, if you want to sit there and talk
[6:10:32] about SEO and some Knot-Vibrance, I will help too. I've done some web development, some marketing,
[6:10:38] and all that. I do think there are some challenges ahead, and one reason buying a little bit
[6:10:43] of time with the state agencies to kind of vet the final name may provide some advantage is you may
[6:10:50] want to talk about some of those marketing things before we lock in that name. But I do agree that
[6:10:54] not that is a great name, still has a K,
[6:10:59] pretty easy for now, and so from a marketing perspective,
[6:11:03] it speaks a lot about proceeding with that name today.
[6:11:07] So with that, I will shut up.
[6:11:15] Supervisor Payska.
[6:11:25] When we first got the letter from the BGN last winter,
[6:11:30] we started having conversations with the BGN
[6:11:32] in the Kagan. And my first question to them was, if you're going to do this, if a name were to
[6:11:40] change, what would implementation look like, where would the resources be?
[6:11:48] And we also submitted
[6:11:50] several questions to ask what the process would be like so that we could have clarity so
[6:11:55] everyone could understand. So there would be public information.
[6:12:02] And I think that's one of the
[6:12:03] failures as they never showed up to do that to support us in that way. I feel like this process
[6:12:10] was dropped on us, dropped in my lap, as the elected supervisor for this district. I've made my position very, very clear.
[6:12:20] I respect to my colleagues. It's not something that is a voter. I would have to abstain from because we do not know
[6:12:26] still what's going to happen.
[6:12:28] And you can question my leadership all you want, but I have sat with everyone who wanted to sit with me throughout this last year and I have truly listened to everyone and I honoured everything that everyone has shared with me.
[6:12:51] Well, I do thank you for your vote. You don't have to do it again next time.
[6:13:00] But I have also really seen productive conversations happen.
[6:13:11] I've seen people really try and learn.
[6:13:17] They may not have changed their vote.
[6:13:20] But they're in a different place than they were last year.
[6:13:23] I think all of us are in a different place last year.
[6:13:24] And so this is not the end.
[6:13:27] This is, I feel like this is a beginning,
[6:13:36] and I'm
[6:13:40] going to keep showing up.
[6:13:42] I'm going to show up tomorrow at Big Valley when they celebrate, when you celebrate
[6:13:47] your opening, and I'm going to keep showing gratitude for all the work that Tribal Health
[6:13:53] does and all the money that they invest in our communities, because we are all in this
[6:13:58] region together, and we have seven tribal nations.
[6:14:02] we have our county government, we have our city governments, and we are in this isolated region
[6:14:06] where we all need to work together, live together, and be together, and so the conversations
[6:14:19] that I had directly with the BGN, I told them, you will not ever get a recommendation from
[6:14:25] me, because I have to support my community, however the chips falling, whatever happens,
[6:14:33] and
[6:14:34] And that's what I'm committed, and I'm committed to that work.
[6:14:37] And I know that it takes a long time to build that trust, and having those conversations
[6:14:42] with each of you this year, we made steps building that trust.
[6:14:45] And I'm committed to continuing that.
[6:14:50] But I can't make a recommendation, that's I committed to you all.
[6:14:57] I gave you my word and and that's
[6:15:00] Where are my promises?
[6:15:07] Thank you.
[6:15:09] So I spoke earlier.
[6:15:14] My position is still the same. I would love to see.
[6:15:19] I'll find an option to the original option A and B provided to us from
[6:15:28] the BGN.
[6:15:30] Sitting here and having to choose one over another is
[6:15:34] need to choose what's best for the future of this community and what's best for this community
[6:15:40] and it's something I wholeheartedly believe in is
[6:15:45] that we have a system that allows us
[6:15:47] to solve problems and if that solves if that system loses the public trust that we have no
[6:15:55] system to be able to utilize this all problems and I'm going to continue to do what I do personally
[6:16:01] to continue to make change. But today, if option two is on the table, then I cannot say yes.
[6:16:12] And with that, I'm looking for action.
[6:16:16] I just have something to say. So I can't I'm staying with our reason. So I can't support that option,
[6:16:21] but I just want to be honest with all of you. Why my vote would have to be no if that is option two.
[6:16:29] But I would ask my colleagues to please include devoted people in that.
[6:16:34] Say, this is what the people have said in the measure, and this is what the board is voting for.
[6:16:42] So that at least we're delivering what the people are saying also.
[6:16:56] It's not an option to specifically.
[6:16:58] It's not specifically in there.
[6:17:02] So if we need to tweak the language.
[6:17:05] It's in there, what do you mean?
[6:17:07] You know, we're supposed to say that they're not.
[6:17:08] President Major, Lake County, residence demonstrated their opposition to the proposed
[6:17:12] danger.
[6:17:13] Does it straight up?
[6:17:16] Yeah.
[6:17:20] You want to add the percentages?
[6:17:22] I don't know.
[6:17:23] I'm good with that.
[6:17:24] Glad to print that and send it out.
[6:17:31] If I,
[6:17:34] yeah, we can even add the word clear because that was in another variation.
[6:17:37] There's clear opposition and advisory and measure you, but, um,
[6:17:46] oh, yeah, well, we'll
[6:17:47] results for sure. But some of you raised questions about the ballot arguments being fraudulent
[6:17:55] and all that. I just want to hide out because I'm going to get worried if we move ahead we're
[6:18:00] going to get hammered. So the wording of a ballot question is a really hard way to try to solve
[6:18:06] a complicated social issue. So having gone through the BGN process and explained it, the proper
[6:18:15] question whether it would be legal or not in the form of a ballot argument, it wouldn't
[6:18:21] be a coin toss because that's what the ballot question was, which do you like better,
[6:18:26] Kelsaville or Kanakdai, and it's a coin toss, that's not what B. Jann was asking us. The proper
[6:18:33] question, if we opposed it to the voters, if you had to change the name, or if you at least
[6:18:38] acknowledge that name is offensive to our Native American partners here would
[6:18:44] cannot die be an acceptable replacement. And that's a different question, right?
[6:18:50] You may not agree with the idea that the name should change or ever will change, but if the
[6:18:55] name did have to change, would cannot die be okay. And how would that election have gone?
[6:19:03] Because it's because one, it forces consideration like, oh, why would we change the name
[6:19:08] And we never got that far and the ballot measure was placed out there.
[6:19:12] So, again, I think it was informative.
[6:19:15] I think it was demonstrated, not just support from tribal communities,
[6:19:19] but again, a plurality of 30 percent that's well above the demographic
[6:19:24] representation of Native Americans in our community.
[6:19:28] So, I just wanted to clarify that.
[6:19:30] Yes, there was a advisory measure.
[6:19:33] Yes, we're going to give them the vote totals.
[6:19:36] But I don't necessarily take it as gospel because one, it wasn't binding upon us, certainly not binding on the federal government.
[6:19:43] But most importantly, I don't know for a fact that we asked the right question.
[6:19:48] So, just wanted to point that up.
[6:19:54] Looking for action.
[6:19:59] All right, just want to leave.
[6:20:00] Sure, get it right, Lloyd. It's a two actions here, but I think we only need one, right?
[6:20:06] Well, each action item A and B A refers to the letter, and B refers to BGN standard recommendation forms.
[6:20:14] So this suggestion here would be to each on separate motion.
[6:20:25] So I want to move to
[6:20:30] approve option two with the suggestion change.
[6:20:34] It sounded like there was a majority, at least three wanted to add in that measure you and put the number of the percentages in there.
[6:20:44] So...
[6:20:45] It's...
[6:20:50] There's no public comment at this moment in time.
[6:20:52] Option two with the changes that were offered in order to have the percentages of the election results placed on there.
[6:21:01] Yep, that's my motion.
[6:21:02] And Mr. Chair, if I may have members of the board, if I may, just as a general included in that motion motion or approval, a motion to approve that letter as outlined by your board with the changes or additions.
[6:21:17] A small motion, so moved.
[6:21:19] Second.
[6:21:20] We have a motion in a second. All in favor?
[6:21:23] Aye.
[6:21:23] Any opposed?
[6:21:25] Aye.
[6:21:26] Part B.
[6:21:28] Part B.
[6:21:29] I move to modify is needed and approve the BGN standard recommendation form.
[6:21:35] Second.
[6:21:36] And if I may.
[6:21:37] Please.
[6:21:38] Thank you.
[6:21:39] So the BGN form itself references the attached letter, so that would also, and just for
[6:21:49] purposes of confirming for this item B motion, it would be the motion to approve the geographic
[6:21:55] named proposal recommendation as modified and as reflected by the letter outlined or identified
[6:22:04] in the first motion that was approved.
[6:22:07] So moved.
[6:22:08] Second.
[6:22:09] We have a motion in a second.
[6:22:10] All in favor?
[6:22:11] All right.
[6:22:12] Any opposed?
[6:22:13] Nay.
[6:22:14] Motion carries.
[6:22:16] Thank you, everybody, for coming here and expressing yourselves and thank you.
[6:22:23] We're
[6:22:28] going to take a five minute break and reconvene at 422.
[6:35:43] We're back and I believe that we have gone through every single one of our open session items other than concluding our weekly calendars, and we will continue, because we've already done supervisor Greens calendar. We'll continue with supervisor signing.
[6:36:07] It's not over, it's not over, it's not over, so LTA APC tomorrow in Lakeport, but I do plan on
[6:36:15] getting out to the groundbreaking and opening of the Big Valley Convenient Store.
[6:36:20] I want to make sure I'm there, could not make it when they did the groundbreaking, but I'm
[6:36:25] going to be there when they open up, you know, just because of my responsibilities.
[6:36:30] So have that, and then I will be traveling out of town, I do have, I will make the call on Friday
[6:36:37] for the meeting next week, I'll call in, but I'll be traveling a little bit, and then Monday
[6:36:45] have the risk reduction authority. Our last, my last meeting as the chair, but obviously
[6:36:54] as you guys know, our tribe, we have join the RA, we'll be a continued member of that board
[6:37:00] for sure, because the great work that's being done here in Lake County. So, and then back here,
[6:37:06] On Tuesday, to be chaired by Michael Green.
[6:37:11] Nice.
[6:37:11] That is good.
[6:37:14] Supervisor Paiska.
[6:37:17] Yep, tomorrow I plan on being at the Bay Valley Grand Opening.
[6:37:21] Even though I also have my Naco EEL, you mean at the same time, so I make that choice,
[6:37:27] but I really like to be there in Bay Valley.
[6:37:30] Then I got to go to Yuccaia for the NCO board meeting and the BVAC meeting in the evening.
[6:37:37] And then Thursday, morning, fire safe counsel, I'm gonna have a lunch with Anita, and then
[6:37:50] NCO is doing a new tribal engagement committee that we're trying to figure out, so that
[6:38:00] the same time as the quarterly OPR check-in. So I probably have to miss that. And then Friday,
[6:38:09] I'm going to go to Sacramento for the wildfire and forest resilience task force.
[6:38:16] Okay,
[6:38:17] I'm like calendar and froze. I was again.
[6:38:23] I know I have the Saturday. There is an NOA
[6:38:28] weather-spotter program that I'm going to do at the Cobb Fire Station. I want to
[6:38:35] clock and then Monday, I have my mini-missial parker and then there's a new, I just
[6:38:45] found out about it yesterday, another crew coming to the geysers, some engineers or
[6:38:54] So I don't know Daniel said she'll come to Cobb and video me there, so that's all I know and then RRA and after noon and back here on Tuesday
[6:39:03] Thank you, Vice-Chic Randall. Yeah, so just real quick yesterday
[6:39:08] We had the central region town hall meeting
[6:39:10] Maria thank you for coming to the meeting and talking about the lay packs and
[6:39:16] And giving that presentation it really helped the community
[6:39:19] There's a couple more people than normal there and just it was really a productive
[6:39:24] So I just wanted to thank her for that and and also for a certain, you know, being, you know,
[6:39:31] willing to talk about it. They had like two items on the agenda, but they already covered the first one. It was really cool.
[6:39:37] The first one being the presentation. They just kind of voted and they're like, yeah, we're doing it. So there's really good.
[6:39:44] Well, I'm supposed to go to Sacramento tomorrow for the RCRC meeting last one of the year.
[6:39:50] They're going to vote for a couple of positions here and there.
[6:39:55] I'm, we'll stay probably with the executive.
[6:39:58] I mean, I'm still on the executive.
[6:40:00] Committee, but there might be a couple others. So, if I am on either the Golden State Finance, which is a conglomerate of RCRC, or if the Golden State National Resources, probably maneuver around, because I don't want to be on more and more and then drop the ball and other things.
[6:40:17] So, just letting you know that that may be, and I'll let you know after tomorrow, what, especially next week, what position I would be in, but not running for the big leadership position.
[6:40:28] that's not something I'm looking forward to on that.
[6:40:30] So anyhow, there's a meeting in Lucerne with the Senior Center.
[6:40:35] I think that's tentative, but if not, I'd also do have a meeting with someone on the Mac there,
[6:40:40] a citizen.
[6:40:41] Friday, I'm going to meet with a supervisor like Owen, like we just touched base in the hallway
[6:40:47] to make sure.
[6:40:48] And then Saturday, the joy-ma-deros toy drive is happening here in Lakeport, so I'll be going
[6:40:53] that Monday, CIO meeting in the morning and then the Blue Ribbon Committee and Clear Lake and
[6:41:01] then back here on Tuesday.
[6:41:04] Thank you very much.
[6:41:05] One is that RCRC.
[6:41:06] I know.
[6:41:06] There's a dinner in the evening as well.
[6:41:07] But that's next month.
[6:41:09] That's next month.
[6:41:10] That's one they'll seat whoever wins and then they invite like some dignitaries from like I think
[6:41:18] Cecilia I'm a career at one time elected as like the RCRC person or you know what I mean?
[6:41:23] give them an award for their support. That's in January. So I'll let you know that next month
[6:41:28] because the, well, the calendar has been passed. I think it's the third week in January.
[6:41:32] Yeah. Now, somebody over at C.S. I kind of sent an invitation over for me.
[6:41:38] And I know I can't make the meeting during the day, but it's part of it. I can make the dinner
[6:41:41] in the evenings. So I'll check in with you. This week, I wanted to mention, I mentioned it last time
[6:41:49] that I was meeting with our social services director, be able to help director, and our Chief
[6:41:54] Public Defender regarding eviction prevention.
[6:41:58] We're going to continue that meeting in 30 days to review some potential ways that continuum
[6:42:04] of care can help fund some prevention and see if that can work out for us.
[6:42:11] And if so, then we'll seek to try and embed that into the next year's budget and seeing
[6:42:16] how that can work but continuing the conversation everyone seemed very interested in seeing what
[6:42:24] we can do to prevent folks from ending up being homeless. I'll quickly go over our
[6:42:30] my next days of meetings LTAAPC with Supervisor Simon. First five lakes, special meeting
[6:42:37] is happening also later on that afternoon with a supervisor green and I will be attending
[6:42:44] the chamber mixer that's happening with a joint chamber on Thursday starting off with
[6:42:50] their judges, breakfast, continue with care committee count. We are doing our pit count,
[6:42:56] believe it's January 25th, but let me just double check that, sorry, 23rd, and so anticipate
[6:43:03] getting a new update on what our homelessness count is at that point in time.
[6:43:10] I am meeting with some faith leadership in the city of Clear Lake who are interested in doing some work related to homelessness.
[6:43:22] It's been a bit of a struggle to get the participation that we're looking for, but we're also trying to take baby steps in order to create comfort and not feel like we're trying to utilize services and utilize space.
[6:43:38] that really is someone else's space.
[6:43:41] And so we need to just break those barriers
[6:43:44] and continue those discussions.
[6:43:47] Jay Murdoch from Adventist Health
[6:43:48] is working on some of those things.
[6:43:51] And he's doing a fabulous job
[6:43:52] and we're making those baby steps.
[6:43:55] I am meeting on Friday and I need to speak with
[6:43:59] CAO Parker about this with YCCB.
[6:44:02] You've a community college district
[6:44:04] with our returning to us with some ideas
[6:44:06] of pipeline programs to help fill some of our vacancies.
[6:44:11] So I'll be speaking to CAO Parker to see if it's possible to get some HR representation
[6:44:16] to take part in that meeting.
[6:44:19] Then Food Policy Council is also going to be that evening or late afternoon.
[6:44:26] On Monday at this moment in time, I just have a meeting with CAO Parker and then returning
[6:44:32] here on the 17th for the last meeting of the year.
[6:44:35] And with that I forgot two things we do I don't say I'm going to get yelled at here. So the
[6:44:41] 14th there are two events potential you have the briefs across America event that's going on in December
[6:44:48] You know what a lot of the cemeteries around the county that that celebration will happen Saturday morning and then on Saturday night is Christmas and middle town 48
[6:45:05] All right, perfect. With that, that concludes our open session agenda items, we will be going into closed session. We have three items, 8.1 public employee evaluation, social services director, 8.2 conference with legal counsel, existing litigation, pursuing the government code, session 54956.91, Center for Biological Diversity, a towel versus County of Lake, a towel, 8.3 conference with legal counsel, a significant amount of time.
[6:45:30] exposure to litigation pursuant to government code session 54956.9 B2 and E1 one potential
[6:45:37] case and with that we are going into close session. Thank you for joining us today.