1 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:18,389 Right. 2 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:20,720 The January 12th, 2026 regular meeting 3 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,160 of the Maliba City Council is now called 4 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,399 to order. Inperson participants, if you 5 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:25,839 would like to speak, please submit your 6 00:11:25,839 --> 00:11:28,000 request to speak form to the clerk. 7 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,680 Remote participants, if you would like 8 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:31,360 to speak, please join the Zoom webinar 9 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,519 meeting printed on the agenda and raise 10 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:35,519 your hand in Zoom when the item you wish 11 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:37,519 to speak on is called. May we please 12 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:38,399 have a roll call. 13 00:11:38,399 --> 00:11:39,509 >> Council member Conrad 14 00:11:39,509 --> 00:11:39,519 » Council member Conrad 15 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:39,990 >> here. 16 00:11:39,990 --> 00:11:40,000 » here. 17 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,190 >> Council member Stewart 18 00:11:41,190 --> 00:11:41,200 » Council member Stewart 19 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:41,590 >> here. 20 00:11:41,590 --> 00:11:41,600 » here. 21 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:42,470 >> Council member Yuring 22 00:11:42,470 --> 00:11:42,480 » Council member Yuring 23 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:42,870 >> here. 24 00:11:42,870 --> 00:11:42,880 » here. 25 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,150 >> Mayor Prom Silverstein, 26 00:11:44,150 --> 00:11:44,160 » Mayor Prom Silverstein, 27 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:44,710 >> present. 28 00:11:44,710 --> 00:11:44,720 » present. 29 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:45,509 >> Mayor Rigggins 30 00:11:45,509 --> 00:11:45,519 » Mayor Rigggins 31 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:45,750 >> here. 32 00:11:45,750 --> 00:11:45,760 » here. 33 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:46,630 >> You have a quorum. 34 00:11:46,630 --> 00:11:46,640 » You have a quorum. 35 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,630 >> Thank you. Uh, let's do the pledge of 36 00:11:48,630 --> 00:11:48,640 » Thank you. Uh, let's do the pledge of 37 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:53,293 allegiance, please. 38 00:11:53,303 --> 00:11:55,750 [snorts] 39 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,959 » Ready, begin. I pledge allegiance to the 40 00:11:58,959 --> 00:12:02,160 flag of the United States of America and 41 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,959 to the republic for which it stands, one 42 00:12:04,959 --> 00:12:08,079 nation under God, indivisible, with 43 00:12:08,079 --> 00:12:13,829 liberty and justice for all. 44 00:12:13,839 --> 00:12:16,160 » May we please have an approval uh may we 45 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,519 please have a report on the posting of 46 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:18,399 the agenda? 47 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:20,150 >> The agenda for this meeting was properly 48 00:12:20,150 --> 00:12:20,160 » The agenda for this meeting was properly 49 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,200 posted on December 23rd, 2025. 50 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,710 >> May we please have an approval of the 51 00:12:24,710 --> 00:12:24,720 » May we please have an approval of the 52 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,920 agenda. Staff is requesting item 1 B6 to 53 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,120 be continued to a date uncertain. 54 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,470 >> 1 B6 is what? 55 00:12:32,470 --> 00:12:32,480 » 1 B6 is what? 56 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,550 >> 1B6 is the Kimley Horn. 57 00:12:34,550 --> 00:12:34,560 » 1B6 is the Kimley Horn. 58 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:35,750 >> Okay. Extension. 59 00:12:35,750 --> 00:12:35,760 » Okay. Extension. 60 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,030 >> I'll make a motion to approve the 61 00:12:37,030 --> 00:12:37,040 » I'll make a motion to approve the 62 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:37,839 agenda. 63 00:12:37,839 --> 00:12:38,790 >> I'll second. 64 00:12:38,790 --> 00:12:38,800 » I'll second. 65 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:39,829 >> All in favor? 66 00:12:39,829 --> 00:12:39,839 » All in favor? 67 00:12:39,839 --> 00:12:41,829 >> That was with with 1 B6 continue to 68 00:12:41,829 --> 00:12:41,839 » That was with with 1 B6 continue to 69 00:12:41,839 --> 00:12:42,160 data. 70 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:46,470 >> 1B6 continue. Yes. 71 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,320 » Uh no votes against. 72 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,200 Okay. Honda consent. 73 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,639 Do we have any speaker slips for the 74 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:55,760 consent? 75 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,069 >> No, we only had one speaker slip for 1B6 76 00:12:58,069 --> 00:12:58,079 » No, we only had one speaker slip for 1B6 77 00:12:58,079 --> 00:12:59,920 which has been continued and will not be 78 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:02,000 heard tonight. And we do not have any 79 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,760 raised hands on Zoom for the consent 80 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:04,720 calendar. 81 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,389 >> Okay. Uh does any may want to pull 82 00:13:06,389 --> 00:13:06,399 » Okay. Uh does any may want to pull 83 00:13:06,399 --> 00:13:07,440 anything? 84 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,790 >> I'd like to pull uh number five 1B5. 85 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:10,800 » I'd like to pull uh number five 1B5. 86 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,160 Just want to get a little more 87 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,680 information about where we are on that. 88 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:15,590 >> Okay. Do you want a staff report or do 89 00:13:15,590 --> 00:13:15,600 » Okay. Do you want a staff report or do 90 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,279 you just have questions? 91 00:13:17,279 --> 00:13:21,030 >> Um I've just got some Well, I got 92 00:13:21,030 --> 00:13:21,040 » Um I've just got some Well, I got 93 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:22,480 questions. Let's do it that way. 94 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,990 >> Okay. I'll I want to pull one B4, 95 00:13:25,990 --> 00:13:26,000 » Okay. I'll I want to pull one B4, 96 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:26,480 please. 97 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,190 >> Okay. So, one B4, 1 B5. 98 00:13:29,190 --> 00:13:29,200 » Okay. So, one B4, 1 B5. 99 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,069 >> 1 B10. 100 00:13:30,069 --> 00:13:30,079 » 1 B10. 101 00:13:30,079 --> 00:13:31,670 >> 1 B10. 102 00:13:31,670 --> 00:13:31,680 » 1 B10. 103 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:32,550 >> You want to join in? 104 00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:32,560 » You want to join in? 105 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:34,790 >> Yeah, I'm done. [laughter] 106 00:13:34,790 --> 00:13:34,800 » Yeah, I'm done. [laughter] 107 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,710 >> So, four, five, and 10 are being pulled. 108 00:13:36,710 --> 00:13:36,720 » So, four, five, and 10 are being pulled. 109 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,120 Can we have an approval of the remainder 110 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:39,760 of the items? 111 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,190 >> I'll make a motion to approve the rest 112 00:13:41,190 --> 00:13:41,200 » I'll make a motion to approve the rest 113 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,000 of the agenda. 114 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,509 >> Consent calendar. 115 00:13:45,509 --> 00:13:45,519 » Consent calendar. 116 00:13:45,519 --> 00:13:47,190 >> And the consent calendar. 117 00:13:47,190 --> 00:13:47,200 » And the consent calendar. 118 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:47,829 >> I'll second. 119 00:13:47,829 --> 00:13:47,839 » I'll second. 120 00:13:47,839 --> 00:13:49,110 >> All in favor? I 121 00:13:49,110 --> 00:13:49,120 » All in favor? I 122 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:50,150 >> I 123 00:13:50,150 --> 00:13:50,160 » I 124 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:51,350 >> Okay. 125 00:13:51,350 --> 00:13:51,360 » Okay. 126 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:56,550 Uh so let's start with 1B4. 127 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:59,040 Uh resolution extending the declaration 128 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,720 of the existence of a local emergency 129 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,320 regarding conditions on Pacific Coast 130 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:03,360 Highway. 131 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,910 >> I just had some questions. I seem to um 132 00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:05,920 » I just had some questions. I seem to um 133 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,040 I just want to get clarity on this. Um 134 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,680 because we vote on this every meeting. 135 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:16,320 Um we vote to approve it. And if PCH is 136 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,160 in a state of perpetual emergency 137 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,360 declaration, does that give us anything 138 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,880 um special privileges or I mean we have 139 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,360 things like roundabouts and we have uh 140 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,120 improvement projects. Does that have 141 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:30,959 anything 142 00:14:30,959 --> 00:14:33,199 that is 143 00:14:33,199 --> 00:14:35,040 so having a declared state of emergency 144 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,440 does give the city certain um additional 145 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,519 powers? It does not impact the 146 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:41,120 development projects that are being 147 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,760 considered though. Those are in al 148 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,920 related to the state of PCH but um are 149 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,519 not required to be done under a state of 150 00:14:47,519 --> 00:14:53,269 emergency. 151 00:14:53,279 --> 00:14:55,920 Okay. I mean it's pretty like when you 152 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,600 read it it's pretty indepth that it's 153 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,279 you know we're it's the data statewide 154 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:04,399 integrated traffic 155 00:15:04,399 --> 00:15:06,160 how dangerous it is resulting in the 156 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,360 death of 23 people. Are we always going 157 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,360 to be in this state of emergency? Is 158 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:12,800 there ever going to be like a moment 159 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,440 where we feel safe on PCH and we lift 160 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,040 it? 161 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,590 >> I don't know if that's something it just 162 00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:19,600 » I don't know if that's something it just 163 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,440 comes back to councils over and over and 164 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,560 over again, I guess. 165 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,269 >> Uh, council member, this was this was in 166 00:15:27,269 --> 00:15:27,279 » Uh, council member, this was this was in 167 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:31,760 re in response to the Palisades fire and 168 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,600 relative kind of activity that was 169 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:34,639 around that 170 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:36,870 >> 2023. It was for the deaths of the 171 00:15:36,870 --> 00:15:36,880 » 2023. It was for the deaths of the 172 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,870 >> Yes, the emergency was declared at the 173 00:15:38,870 --> 00:15:38,880 » Yes, the emergency was declared at the 174 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,639 direction of the council. Um any state 175 00:15:40,639 --> 00:15:42,399 of emergency does have to be reviewed 176 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:44,240 and renewed by the council every 60 days 177 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,720 or it is terminated. Um so if the 178 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,639 council still thinks there is need for 179 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:50,880 those additional powers, the additional 180 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:52,320 spending that can be authorized in their 181 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:53,920 city manager authority, you would need 182 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,000 to continue the state of emergency. If 183 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,000 you the council determines that isn't 184 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,519 necessary, then we can bring back a 185 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:00,480 termination. 186 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,310 >> Got it. My recollection is I actually 187 00:16:02,310 --> 00:16:02,320 » Got it. My recollection is I actually 188 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,120 brought that to council initially after 189 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,920 the um the deaths of the um students and 190 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,399 um the I think it's stated in there it's 191 00:16:12,399 --> 00:16:13,839 it we're going to be in an emergency 192 00:16:13,839 --> 00:16:15,920 until Calrans actually fixes it and 193 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,360 we're no longer in an emergency and 194 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,040 since we don't have the power to fix it 195 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,240 ourselves 196 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,150 >> and since the emergency does continue 197 00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:22,160 » and since the emergency does continue 198 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:23,600 until it's fixed 199 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,670 >> and since unfortunately the law requires 200 00:16:25,670 --> 00:16:25,680 » and since unfortunately the law requires 201 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,920 us to reaffirm this every third every 60 202 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:28,800 days 203 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:29,910 >> it's going to have to just keep 204 00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:29,920 » it's going to have to just keep 205 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,079 appearing on our consent calendar. I 206 00:16:32,079 --> 00:16:34,000 mean, it would be better if we could 207 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,600 just say it shall be there until we 208 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,199 declare otherwise, 209 00:16:37,199 --> 00:16:39,030 >> but we have to keep declaring it so 210 00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:39,040 » but we have to keep declaring it so 211 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,720 because they continue to leave the 212 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,480 problem. You know, they're making some 213 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,480 incremental changes, 214 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,710 >> but it's it's still a dangerous place 215 00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:46,720 » but it's it's still a dangerous place 216 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,560 and it's still an emergency. Yeah, in my 217 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:49,120 view, it is. 218 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,990 >> I agree. I vote on it every two weeks. 219 00:16:51,990 --> 00:16:52,000 » I agree. I vote on it every two weeks. 220 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,639 I'm very um I'm just interested in how 221 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:56,720 that works because like at what point do 222 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,399 we feel that it's not dangerous anymore? 223 00:16:58,399 --> 00:17:00,240 But I guess that we'll cross that bridge 224 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,560 when we cross it. Maybe it's two years 225 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,199 without death. I don't know. I 226 00:17:05,199 --> 00:17:06,710 >> think we'll know it when we see it. 227 00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:06,720 » think we'll know it when we see it. 228 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,390 >> Okay. Well, um just wanted to double 229 00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:10,400 » Okay. Well, um just wanted to double 230 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,199 check on that because we vote on it. 231 00:17:13,199 --> 00:17:14,480 That's it. Thank you. 232 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,630 >> Would you like to pick a motion or 233 00:17:16,630 --> 00:17:16,640 » Would you like to pick a motion or 234 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,390 >> I'll move that we approve that one. 235 00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:18,400 » I'll move that we approve that one. 236 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,470 >> Yeah, I want to continue approving it. 237 00:17:20,470 --> 00:17:20,480 » Yeah, I want to continue approving it. 238 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:20,720 So, 239 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:21,510 >> you'll second. 240 00:17:21,510 --> 00:17:21,520 » you'll second. 241 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,470 >> Second. Okay. All in favor? I I none 242 00:17:24,470 --> 00:17:24,480 » Second. Okay. All in favor? I I none 243 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,640 opposed. Okay. Okay. 1B5. 244 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,590 >> Yeah, I pulled 1B5 primarily because as 245 00:17:31,590 --> 00:17:31,600 » Yeah, I pulled 1B5 primarily because as 246 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,840 I read this, we got a serious problem on 247 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,799 Insul Canyon with this U um storm drain 248 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:41,039 pipe. And I'm just wondering if we're 249 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:42,720 going to not approve the repair, which 250 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,799 makes sense. I read the read the report. 251 00:17:44,799 --> 00:17:46,080 It looks like it's in a lot worse 252 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,760 condition than when you first envisioned 253 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,919 it. But are we what kind of risk are we 254 00:17:49,919 --> 00:17:52,799 taking? And is it still serviceable now? 255 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:55,039 I I just want to just want to know what 256 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:56,880 we're looking at since it seems to have 257 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,880 gone downhill since we put out the 258 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,600 original RFP. 259 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,350 >> That is an excellent question, council 260 00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:03,360 » That is an excellent question, council 261 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:06,000 member. The answer to that is yes, it is 262 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,760 still serviceable. We will be going 263 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,640 through an expedited redesign. The pipe 264 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,000 still does require repair, but we do um 265 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,640 believe that it can withstand um 266 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,559 upcoming storms, especially after this 267 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:20,240 recent storm that it went through. but 268 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,960 it will be um expedited and and 269 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,360 hopefully repaired soon. 270 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:26,630 >> I'm assuming that you're not going to be 271 00:18:26,630 --> 00:18:26,640 » I'm assuming that you're not going to be 272 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,400 able to put a liner in it like you like 273 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,720 you proposed. It look from what what I 274 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:31,919 read here, it looks like it's in pretty 275 00:18:31,919 --> 00:18:33,360 bad shape. So, you're going to have to 276 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:35,360 dig it out. 277 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:38,150 >> The exact method has not been identified 278 00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:38,160 » The exact method has not been identified 279 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,160 yet. Um but it will be a lot more 280 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,120 extensive than the liner which was 281 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:44,559 originally anticipated. 282 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:45,990 >> Okay. All right. I just want to know if 283 00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:46,000 » Okay. All right. I just want to know if 284 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,600 we had a safety issue here. It doesn't 285 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,760 sound like we do, but if we get on it 286 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,520 quickly, we can solve it. That's right. 287 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:52,000 All right. 288 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:52,549 >> Correct. 289 00:18:52,549 --> 00:18:52,559 » Correct. 290 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:54,390 >> Uh, I'll make a mo That satisfies me. 291 00:18:54,390 --> 00:18:54,400 » Uh, I'll make a mo That satisfies me. 292 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,480 I'll make a motion to approve. 293 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:57,430 >> Do we have a second? 294 00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:57,440 » Do we have a second? 295 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:58,150 >> I'll second. 296 00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:58,160 » I'll second. 297 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:59,510 >> Okay. All in favor? 298 00:18:59,510 --> 00:18:59,520 » Okay. All in favor? 299 00:18:59,520 --> 00:18:59,830 >> I 300 00:18:59,830 --> 00:18:59,840 » I 301 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,510 >> I 302 00:19:01,510 --> 00:19:01,520 » I 303 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,960 none opposed. Uh, 1B10. 304 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,470 >> I ask that be pulled. 305 00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:06,480 » I ask that be pulled. 306 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,430 >> Yes. I guess my question is are we 307 00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:09,440 » Yes. I guess my question is are we 308 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,160 required to terminate that declaration 309 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,640 at this time or can we leave or do we 310 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,799 have discretion to leave it in place at 311 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:21,760 least one more um two-month session I 312 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,120 guess because I know it's rained a lot 313 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:28,000 but we you know this is the time of year 314 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,640 when historically we're in danger so it 315 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,799 seems to me that it's a little premature 316 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:34,320 to pull it 317 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,029 >> um well according to the criteria period 318 00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:37,039 » um well according to the criteria period 319 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:39,760 that were established by this council. 320 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,440 Um, we've more than met like cuz there 321 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,760 was you know 2 in of rain, we've had 322 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,559 more than 12 in of rain. Live fuel 323 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:50,480 moisture should be greater than 80. It's 324 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,870 now at 166%. 325 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,200 And there are no fire weather watches or 326 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,120 red flag warnings in the foreseeable 327 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:01,520 future. So 328 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,400 I I think that we have far exceeded the 329 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:10,160 criteria and it's appropriate to um 330 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,520 terminate it at this point. 331 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,669 >> It doesn't mean and I just want to say 332 00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:15,679 » It doesn't mean and I just want to say 333 00:20:15,679 --> 00:20:18,320 it doesn't really change what we do. Um 334 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,880 our staff is out all the time removing 335 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,240 encampments. This just provides us a 336 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,960 little, you know, extra tools and 337 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,799 justification for moving quickly in 338 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:34,000 areas, but we do this every day. And so 339 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,640 it's not like we stop doing it. So I I 340 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,240 think we're still protected. 341 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,830 >> What would the upside of removing it 342 00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:41,840 » What would the upside of removing it 343 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,600 then be? Because once it's removed, it's 344 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,280 hard to get back and we know that we're 345 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,200 just going to go back into dry season, 346 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,710 >> right? Well, the whole point of an 347 00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:48,720 » right? Well, the whole point of an 348 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,280 emergency is that you don't just declare 349 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,280 them for any reason, right? So, we put 350 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,840 the criteria in there so that we can be 351 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,200 consistent. And I mean, it could be in 352 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,080 some respects, and Trevor would have to 353 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,000 correct me if I'm wrong, but it provides 354 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,679 some legal coverage that you're 355 00:21:05,679 --> 00:21:08,240 consistent. You have criteria. It's 356 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,240 triggered when you meet the criteria, 357 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,640 and we we terminate it when we hit the 358 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,960 other criteria. So then somebody 359 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,360 couldn't accuse us of just having an 360 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:21,280 ongoing emergency and using that to say 361 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,360 violate their civil rights or whatever 362 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:24,640 may be. 363 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,549 >> That's correct. And if it drops, you'll 364 00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:26,559 » That's correct. And if it drops, you'll 365 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:28,880 bring back a new resolution to go reimp 366 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,600 implement the the state of emergency. 367 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:32,480 Correct. 368 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:33,510 >> Correct. 369 00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:33,520 » Correct. 370 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,190 >> Has the fire department been consulted 371 00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:35,200 » Has the fire department been consulted 372 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,039 about whether this is appropriate at 373 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:38,400 this time? 374 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,559 Not specifically because but they would 375 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:42,799 definitely agree and we consulted with 376 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:45,679 them on the criteria but it's it's not 377 00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:49,120 within our um 378 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:52,320 um sorry process to get approval from 379 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,159 the fire department but we do get the 380 00:21:54,159 --> 00:21:56,799 data from the fire department 381 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:58,720 like the live fuel moisture is provided 382 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,400 to us by the fire department. 383 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,070 >> Right. 384 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,919 I I don't support withdrawing this at 385 00:22:05,919 --> 00:22:07,440 this time, but we'll see what the vote 386 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,120 is, I guess. 387 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:12,870 >> Well, what would um 388 00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:12,880 » Well, what would um 389 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,360 what would the benefit of not 390 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:18,559 withdrawing it at this time be? 391 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:19,909 >> I think there are some incremental 392 00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:19,919 » I think there are some incremental 393 00:22:19,919 --> 00:22:21,600 benefits that are set forth in the 394 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:22,799 declaration or else we wouldn't have 395 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:24,960 done it in the first place. So, I would 396 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,640 like to see it remain in place at least 397 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,039 through the end of February as we've 398 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:30,640 historically done it. I know the 399 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,480 criteria have been satisfied or at least 400 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,679 I'm hearing that they are, but I'm still 401 00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:37,679 I'm still concerned given the time of 402 00:22:37,679 --> 00:22:40,000 year and given the history that this is 403 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:40,880 premature. 404 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,390 >> Is there any reason why we can't keep it 405 00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:42,400 » Is there any reason why we can't keep it 406 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,640 on? I mean, it's a problem with PU. 407 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,950 >> Well, we've we've met the criteria. 408 00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:46,960 » Well, we've we've met the criteria. 409 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,549 >> We've met the criteria. 410 00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:48,559 » We've met the criteria. 411 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:51,029 >> So, there's okay. 412 00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:51,039 » So, there's okay. 413 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:53,190 >> But the criteria to meet it is no longer 414 00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:53,200 » But the criteria to meet it is no longer 415 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,159 in place, 416 00:22:54,159 --> 00:22:56,710 >> right? And I think to for our own like 417 00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:56,720 » right? And I think to for our own like 418 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,120 as a city our credibility so that when 419 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,280 we're declaring this that we're 420 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,559 consistent we have criteria and we're 421 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:08,480 not just say using it as a tool to do 422 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,960 thing. I mean we use it as a tool but in 423 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,440 the situation where there's high fire 424 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,600 danger 425 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,440 where we're not we're not in fire danger 426 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,840 right now. Thank goodness. Yeah. 427 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,510 >> And we're not in fire danger because the 428 00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:21,520 » And we're not in fire danger because the 429 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,640 live fuel moisture is at such a high 430 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:25,200 level. 431 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,230 >> Correct. 432 00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:26,240 » Correct. 433 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,510 >> Um are there other things behind besides 434 00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:29,520 » Um are there other things behind besides 435 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:34,640 the uh f the vegetation 436 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,520 having moisture in it that 437 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,240 um that there are other things that can 438 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,960 occur that can still 439 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,200 occur that we're mitigating by having 440 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,240 this in place? 441 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,520 Not sure. [laughter] 442 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,190 >> Yeah, I know that was I did not. 443 00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:51,200 » Yeah, I know that was I did not. 444 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,950 >> I mean, it is possible that the live 445 00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:52,960 » I mean, it is possible that the live 446 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,559 fuel moisture could go down because 447 00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:56,320 we're having these Santa Ana winds, but 448 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,559 because the live fuel moisture is so 449 00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:03,039 high, it's highly unlikely that it would 450 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:06,400 bring it down enough to create a danger. 451 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,350 >> And the long-term um weather forecast is 452 00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:09,360 » And the long-term um weather forecast is 453 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:10,400 one that 454 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:10,950 >> correct 455 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:10,960 » correct 456 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,190 >> doesn't anticipate having these red flag 457 00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:13,200 » doesn't anticipate having these red flag 458 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,039 conditions or anything in it. When was 459 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:17,360 the last time we approved this? 460 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:17,909 >> The last 461 00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:17,919 » The last 462 00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:20,230 >> year. Uh, last year. 463 00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:20,240 » year. Uh, last year. 464 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,549 >> No, no, no. 465 00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:22,559 » No, no, no. 466 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:24,310 >> I'm sorry. When was the the last date 467 00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:24,320 » I'm sorry. When was the the last date 468 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,919 that this came before this council that 469 00:24:25,919 --> 00:24:28,159 we approved this? Was it just one? 470 00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:29,750 >> When did we do it originally? Like the 471 00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:29,760 » When did we do it originally? Like the 472 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,840 last year in September? 473 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,590 >> But didn't we do it again at some point 474 00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:33,600 » But didn't we do it again at some point 475 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,400 in time? 476 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,630 >> The most recent extension of this 477 00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:36,640 » The most recent extension of this 478 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,080 particular state of emergency was 479 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,919 November 24th, 2025. 480 00:24:39,919 --> 00:24:41,350 >> Okay. And when would that die a natural 481 00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:41,360 » Okay. And when would that die a natural 482 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:43,120 death if we didn't affirmatively 483 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:44,240 terminate it? 484 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,590 >> I'm looking at that now and it looks 485 00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:45,600 » I'm looking at that now and it looks 486 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,400 like it would be January 23rd, 2026. 487 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,630 >> Okay. So, I I don't see why we we need 488 00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:50,640 » Okay. So, I I don't see why we we need 489 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,799 to take any action on this. I would just 490 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:55,840 leave it be and if it's really 491 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,679 appropriate to terminate it, let it die 492 00:24:57,679 --> 00:25:02,789 on its own. 493 00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:05,840 » Has anybody said something to you um 494 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,520 with regards to this? Did somebody reach 495 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,200 out and say Malibu? 496 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,390 >> No. Oh, okay. 497 00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:10,400 » No. Oh, okay. 498 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,070 >> No, no, 499 00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:12,080 » No, no, 500 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,070 >> I think it's just the fact that the 501 00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:14,080 » I think it's just the fact that the 502 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,000 conditions were met back in the fall 503 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,640 when we approved it and now with all the 504 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,919 rain, the conditions have changed. 505 00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:25,590 >> Um, just the conditions change so vastly 506 00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:25,600 » Um, just the conditions change so vastly 507 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,320 and frequently here. 508 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,390 >> I don't want to have to go through 509 00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:30,400 » I don't want to have to go through 510 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,480 probably won't change until midsummer 511 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,440 at the at the soonest. Mhm. And this 512 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,320 would expire in next January 2020. 513 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,230 >> No, just like in a couple weeks. 514 00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:42,240 » No, just like in a couple weeks. 515 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:42,630 >> Yeah. 516 00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:42,640 » Yeah. 517 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,029 >> So, it's expiring anyway if we don't 518 00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:45,039 » So, it's expiring anyway if we don't 519 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:45,440 take action. 520 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,029 >> If we don't take action. 521 00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:47,039 » If we don't take action. 522 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:51,510 >> So, do we have a motion for something? 523 00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:51,520 » So, do we have a motion for something? 524 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,269 >> I'll make a motion to let it expire 525 00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:53,279 » I'll make a motion to let it expire 526 00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:54,880 naturally. 527 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:55,510 >> Deny. 528 00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:55,520 » Deny. 529 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,190 >> I'll second it. 530 00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:57,200 » I'll second it. 531 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,350 >> What What's the motion, Trevor? So, the 532 00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:59,360 » What What's the motion, Trevor? So, the 533 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:02,720 motion is to take no action on this item 534 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,320 with the council's understanding that 535 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,159 the state of emergency will lapse on 536 00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:07,360 January 23rd. 537 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:10,470 >> Yes. To allow it to lapse, 538 00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:10,480 » Yes. To allow it to lapse, 539 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,789 >> right? Unless we unless we somehow for 540 00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:12,799 » right? Unless we unless we somehow for 541 00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:15,279 some reason redo it on the 24th. 542 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:17,669 >> We had new circumstances. 543 00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:17,679 » We had new circumstances. 544 00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:19,510 >> Yeah, exactly. 545 00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:19,520 » Yeah, exactly. 546 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,200 Okay. All in favor? 547 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:21,990 >> I I Okay. 548 00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:22,000 » I I Okay. 549 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,549 >> None opposed. 550 00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:24,559 » None opposed. 551 00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:26,950 >> All right. So, that concludes the 552 00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:26,960 » All right. So, that concludes the 553 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,760 consent calendar. Do we have any 554 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,159 presentations or anything to take us to 555 00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:33,760 6:30? 556 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,149 >> We don't have any presentations and we 557 00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:36,159 » We don't have any presentations and we 558 00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:38,000 don't have any commissioner updates, but 559 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,520 we will have a city manager update for 560 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:39,840 you. 561 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,029 >> Okay, let's have our city manager 562 00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:41,039 » Okay, let's have our city manager 563 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:42,880 update, please. 564 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,669 >> Thank you, Mayor Council. And um I'm not 565 00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:45,679 » Thank you, Mayor Council. And um I'm not 566 00:26:45,679 --> 00:26:49,679 going to be 45 minutes until 6:30. So um 567 00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:50,080 but 568 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,669 >> well, Sergeant Sodelin's here, so we 569 00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:51,679 » well, Sergeant Sodelin's here, so we 570 00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:52,880 never know. 571 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:53,930 >> That is true. That's true. 572 00:26:53,930 --> 00:26:53,940 » That is true. That's true. 573 00:26:53,940 --> 00:26:54,480 [clears throat] 574 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,720 No, but happy happy new year and good to 575 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,039 see good to see everybody and um just 576 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:00,640 want to say thank you for this 577 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,279 opportunity to kind of fill in and help 578 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:05,679 with the transition to have the new sue 579 00:27:05,679 --> 00:27:08,080 manager Joe come in. I'm excited to have 580 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,799 him come in. Um it's going to be a big 581 00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:13,120 benefit to the city and I see a lot of 582 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:15,440 good things that are come out of that. 583 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,720 So um a couple things that I want to 584 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,480 bring up is that we had over 10 inches 585 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,480 of rain dur during this break and we 586 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,720 were quite busy. Uh the good thing was 587 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,559 that no major issues to report. Uh but I 588 00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:31,200 I do want to thank public works, our 589 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,640 maintenance department, our staff. Um 590 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,400 they were out here working on Christmas 591 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,240 Eve, Christmas Day and New Year's Eve or 592 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,919 New Year's Eve. Uh um kind of making 593 00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:45,760 sure the roads are are clear and 594 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,679 monitoring storms and doing a really 595 00:27:47,679 --> 00:27:49,440 good job with that. So, just really want 596 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,600 to thank them for actually taking time 597 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,360 during during the holiday break to do 598 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:56,640 that. Um, but unfortunately, the rains 599 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,440 did have um some impact on the skate 600 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,080 park. Um, there was a lot of uh water 601 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,000 and um it's it's it's causing some 602 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,799 issues with the construction. Uh the 603 00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:10,559 contractor is working and trying to make 604 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:13,279 sure that all of the the ground is kind 605 00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:14,640 of gets dry and so you can get back to 606 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,000 working again. And so we're working with 607 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,960 them to come up with a date when he can 608 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,279 have have that completed. So, um, thank 609 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:25,039 the rain for this this little delay. 610 00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:27,360 Um, 611 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,679 there's there's several rebuild meetings 612 00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:31,679 that they're that occurring this uh next 613 00:28:31,679 --> 00:28:33,360 couple of weeks. We have the geotech 614 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:36,880 workshop this Wednesday from 11 to 1. 615 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,120 There's design professional workshops on 616 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,120 Thursday from 11 to 12:30 and a FEMA 617 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,640 fire rebuild workshop on January 21st 618 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,960 from 9 to noon. 619 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,760 Um, also want to point out on February 620 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,159 4th at 10:00 a.m. there's a ribbon 621 00:28:54,159 --> 00:28:56,320 cutting for the PCH signal 622 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,559 synchronization project. We're gonna 623 00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:00,720 we're gonna 624 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,880 kick that project on or finish that 625 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,320 project off and have a nice little 626 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,159 ceremony on kind of that completing that 627 00:29:06,159 --> 00:29:08,799 project. Um, but I also want to point 628 00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,919 out and congratulate public works. Um, 629 00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:13,360 and I'm a little biased because I'm up 630 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,279 here. I can I can do that, right? I can 631 00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:18,000 but um congratulate public works on 632 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,559 receiving the project of the year award 633 00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:25,120 for um for the PC signal sync project. 634 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,000 So they applied for a transportation 635 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,600 project and from APWA Ventura County 636 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,919 chapter and got that. So that's a big 637 00:29:33,919 --> 00:29:36,960 accomplishment. Um after that uh they'll 638 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,080 be applying for the national um project 639 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,720 of the year at APWA conference which is 640 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,640 in uh Houston. 641 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,870 >> The signal sign 642 00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:46,880 » The signal sign 643 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,440 is that project now working. It's 644 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,360 there's there's a few things that we're 645 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,240 trying to get get fixed. As you as you 646 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,600 remember, we had that accident at the 647 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,399 corner of Civic Center and PCH or I mean 648 00:29:58,399 --> 00:30:01,039 web away and PCH that knocked out that 649 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,279 that signal controller that needs to be 650 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,039 replaced and once that is then it'll be 651 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:06,399 fully fully function. Right now it's 652 00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:08,240 it's partially functional. It's kind of 653 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,000 working but once that's done once that's 654 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,360 replaced then it'll be fully functional. 655 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:11,840 Okay, cool. 656 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,590 >> Yeah. 657 00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:13,600 » Yeah. 658 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,279 Um 659 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:19,919 then uh uh yeah, lastly um Monday, 660 00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:22,480 January 19th, city will be closed for 661 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,080 Martin Luther King Day. And uh now I'm 662 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,919 going to hand it over to Director Bundy 663 00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:32,399 so she can give an update on fire bills. 664 00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:34,230 >> Ask a couple clarifying questions first. 665 00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:34,240 » Ask a couple clarifying questions first. 666 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,029 >> Go ahead. 667 00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:35,039 » Go ahead. 668 00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:37,990 >> Um the FEMA workshop, I believe that's 669 00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:38,000 » Um the FEMA workshop, I believe that's 670 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,279 virtual, not in person. 671 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:43,190 >> Yes, that is correct. the female wor uh 672 00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:43,200 » Yes, that is correct. the female wor uh 673 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,960 will be uh virtual. 674 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,190 >> Okay. So, um all the coastal properties 675 00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:49,200 » Okay. So, um all the coastal properties 676 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,360 that are out there in the world and any 677 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,559 uh people who are associated with 678 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:54,159 coastal properties, make sure you tune 679 00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:55,360 into that. I think it's going to be 680 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,399 really important. Thank you. 681 00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:00,710 >> Thank you. Good evening, council. Happy 682 00:31:00,710 --> 00:31:00,720 » Thank you. Good evening, council. Happy 683 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,080 new year. Um giving you a brief update 684 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,679 on our fire rebuilds. Uh to date we have 685 00:31:07,679 --> 00:31:11,360 received uh 209 planning applications 686 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,640 submitted 147 of them have received an 687 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,440 approval. We are currently h working 688 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,760 with 43 families on their uh building 689 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,600 plan check and we have issued 22 permits 690 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,240 which are under construction. We have 691 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,760 also issued 491 total permits on the 692 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,120 affected area. is constitute repairs, 693 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,880 removals, new structures. Uh and that is 694 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,200 the numbers that we have. Wanted to 695 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,919 share very briefly with the council and 696 00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:44,960 with the community um what is uh going 697 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,360 on on beach properties that are uh 698 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,279 gotten approval back in um the beginning 699 00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:55,039 of um August. Uh was currently our 700 00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,279 pouring foundation systems. the seaw 701 00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:00,880 walls has been uh on place [snorts] 702 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,159 and then um a big rock we have a 703 00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:07,519 property that is already framing. So um 704 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:10,720 just wanted to share that with the um 705 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,880 council and with the community and also 706 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,720 just a brief brief update. Um um we 707 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,120 continue working on a streamlining our 708 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,240 processes. Uh the next one uh to qualify 709 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,000 for the streamline is the commercial 710 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,880 tenant improvement projects. Uh this 711 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,679 will signifies that um the eligible 712 00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:33,279 tenants uh uh projects can be reviewed 713 00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:35,519 and over-the-counter with planning and 714 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:38,159 building safety staff. Um the 715 00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:40,480 eligibility for this will be an interior 716 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,760 alteration only for offices and small 717 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,559 retails under 3,000. And so that is 718 00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:48,320 currently uh something that we already 719 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,360 are doing. Um and that concludes my 720 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,039 presentation. 721 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:54,310 >> Thank you so much. 722 00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:54,320 » Thank you so much. 723 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,990 >> Quick clarifying question. Thank you so 724 00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:56,000 » Quick clarifying question. Thank you so 725 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,919 much. I'm excited about the Streamland 726 00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:00,640 uh commercial tenant improvements. I 727 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,600 didn't hear restaurants or cafes. Are 728 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:04,880 they included? 729 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,029 >> I heard boutiques and offices. 730 00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:07,039 » I heard boutiques and offices. 731 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:10,710 >> Yeah, this uh does not include um a mop 732 00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:10,720 » Yeah, this uh does not include um a mop 733 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:11,200 sink, 734 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,110 >> restaurants. Well, and that's what we 735 00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:13,120 » restaurants. Well, and that's what we 736 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,919 kept it very for very small small 737 00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:18,720 interior scope of work. Uh yeah, that's 738 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,399 something that we can do over the 739 00:33:20,399 --> 00:33:23,360 counter. uh if it's a minor alteration 740 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,200 in any um B occupancy and M occupancy 741 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,240 some restaurants that have less than 50 742 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,200 uh occupants are considered B occupancy. 743 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,919 So that will also encapsulate uh any 744 00:33:35,919 --> 00:33:39,200 restaurants that OKAF that falls under 745 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,399 that description. 746 00:33:40,399 --> 00:33:42,630 >> Okay. What does B stand for? 747 00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:42,640 » Okay. What does B stand for? 748 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,590 >> F offices. It's under the building code 749 00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:45,600 » F offices. It's under the building code 750 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,360 is defined as uh offices and a small uh 751 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,279 small businesses. Okay. 752 00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,269 >> One of the exemptions is that if they 753 00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:53,279 » One of the exemptions is that if they 754 00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:55,919 had less than 50 occupancies for a 755 00:33:55,919 --> 00:33:58,240 restaurant, it can be classified as a B 756 00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,200 occupancy. 757 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,470 >> That's great. I mean, cuz small. So, 758 00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:02,480 » That's great. I mean, cuz small. So, 759 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,640 let's say somebody needs a sign. This is 760 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:05,840 over the counter. 761 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:06,310 >> Yes. 762 00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:06,320 » Yes. 763 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,110 >> Oh, great. 764 00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:07,120 » Oh, great. 765 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:07,509 >> Yes. 766 00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:07,519 » Yes. 767 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:08,950 >> Mop sink type of 768 00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:08,960 » Mop sink type of 769 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,270 >> Yes. And also um they can also we have a 770 00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:13,280 » Yes. And also um they can also we have a 771 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,200 uh in our design portal they can submit 772 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,359 it electronically also to set up the 773 00:34:19,359 --> 00:34:20,960 appointment if they want to do it 774 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,359 virtually we can do it virtually or in 775 00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:24,079 person. 776 00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:26,230 >> Great. Thank you. 777 00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:26,240 » Great. Thank you. 778 00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:28,310 >> I think the most important thing for no 779 00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:28,320 » I think the most important thing for no 780 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,839 matter what it is that you're doing have 781 00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:33,119 a basic site plan showing um where 782 00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:34,720 everything's going to be located and 783 00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:38,000 where entrance and exits are. that helps 784 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,560 um facilitate approvals because those 785 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,679 are the a lot of the um 786 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:45,430 >> interior 787 00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:45,440 » interior 788 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,000 uh circulation plan is a lot of what the 789 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,800 the code is looking for. I'm not 790 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,550 >> that is correct. Mayor uh are the means 791 00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:52,560 » that is correct. Mayor uh are the means 792 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,280 of erases something that uh even when we 793 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,200 have an existing uh uh property we are 794 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,520 going to be asking on the means of 795 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,200 safety remains as required per the fire 796 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,280 code and the building and safety code. 797 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,230 >> Yeah. Um Yolanda, we we keep hearing in 798 00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:12,240 » Yeah. Um Yolanda, we we keep hearing in 799 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,400 the um press that the city of Los 800 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,119 Angeles has 1,200 801 00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:19,119 building permits for homes for 802 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:22,640 structures destroyed in the fire. Um 803 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,480 which sounds incredible to me whenever I 804 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:25,599 hear it. And I know you've said that 805 00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:27,359 there's some issue of transparency. 806 00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:29,359 Could could you talk about that a little 807 00:35:29,359 --> 00:35:30,160 bit? 808 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,109 >> Yes. Um our understanding is that total 809 00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:33,119 » Yes. Um our understanding is that total 810 00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:36,000 amount of permits is uh the effect the 811 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,119 permits issue on the affected area. We 812 00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:42,560 do have the same number um the same um 813 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,040 line that we are capturing our numbers 814 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,400 for us. It's 491 total uh permits, 815 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,920 building permits have been issued on 816 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,680 that affected burn area which constitute 817 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,680 um damages, repairs, new single family 818 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,680 residents that we have issued. So 819 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,920 everybody is encapsulating all of the 820 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,240 total permits in one number. 821 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:05,349 >> Right. And I'm familiar with the fact 822 00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:05,359 » Right. And I'm familiar with the fact 823 00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:07,839 that we we disclose both. We we state 824 00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:09,440 how many permits have been issued for 825 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:10,960 everything and anything that needs to be 826 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,880 done after the fire as well as we are 827 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,800 very straightforward about the fact that 828 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,119 there are only what's the number for 829 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:19,119 actual permits to build a a house that 830 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:20,320 was burned to the ground? 831 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,470 >> That is correct. Uh for us it was 832 00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:22,480 » That is correct. Uh for us it was 833 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,190 >> 22 834 00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:23,200 » 22 835 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,030 >> transparency. Yeah, we have 22. 836 00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:25,040 » transparency. Yeah, we have 22. 837 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,190 >> Okay. Do we have any idea what the city 838 00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:27,200 » Okay. Do we have any idea what the city 839 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,880 of Los Angeles has issued in terms of 840 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,280 that comparable permit that we're 841 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,000 talking about? 842 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,990 >> I have been I have been asking their 843 00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:34,000 » I have been I have been asking their 844 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,680 building official. They haven't given me 845 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,640 that number. I do not have it. I uh 846 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,480 certainly can share with you that the 847 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,280 incorporated county area has only issued 848 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,079 nine permits. 849 00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:45,829 >> Right. And I and I I think that what's 850 00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:45,839 » Right. And I and I I think that what's 851 00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:48,160 happening is this we the city of Malibu 852 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,440 and the unincorporated area are being um 853 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,160 disserved by the city of Los Angeles's 854 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,800 fabrication of what it's doing. Um, I 855 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,880 would actually like the city council to 856 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,079 authorize us to by any means necessary, 857 00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:03,760 including an Freedom Information Act 858 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,280 request or a California Information Act 859 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,960 request to find out from the city of Los 860 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,560 Angeles what they truly are doing 861 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,680 because they're hurting the um the 862 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,400 morale of the residents who are working 863 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,720 very hard and our staff are working very 864 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:19,040 hard to get people building permits to 865 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,440 build their homes by lying basically 866 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,200 that they have 1,200 homes being 867 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,040 reconstructed, which is just it's just 868 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,720 completely untrue. 869 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:30,480 So could could we do what we need to do 870 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,720 to find out in including take legal 871 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:34,400 action if necessary to find out exactly 872 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,320 what the city of Los Angeles really has 873 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,480 issued for people to build a house back. 874 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,790 >> We certainly can initiate that if that's 875 00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:42,800 » We certainly can initiate that if that's 876 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,800 the direction of council. 877 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,630 >> I don't know that we can do a formal 878 00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:46,640 » I don't know that we can do a formal 879 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,640 resolution, but I think a sense of the 880 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,560 council is probably there. I I certainly 881 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,240 support it and I think you're very much 882 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:55,040 on target. They've got what 10 times the 883 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,160 number of uh burns burns in the palisade 884 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,599 that we do and we don't know how many uh 885 00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,280 rebuilds they have. So we'd like to know 886 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,119 how we're doing. 887 00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:06,790 >> We don't have an item on the agenda to 888 00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:06,800 » We don't have an item on the agenda to 889 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,400 give a direction on that, but if there 890 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,400 is uh interest from the council, I'm 891 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,720 sure staff can go out and bring 892 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:14,720 information back to the the city council 893 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:16,880 on an item if necessary to authorize. 894 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,910 >> Well, it sounds like Yolanda has been 895 00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:19,920 » Well, it sounds like Yolanda has been 896 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,599 working behind the scenes trying to get 897 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:23,040 that information. and it hasn't been 898 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,320 able to. So I think what mayor promstein 899 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,400 is suggesting is that we 900 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,589 >> ratchet it up to a formal request and so 901 00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:31,599 » ratchet it up to a formal request and so 902 00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:33,040 is that something that we can just 903 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,680 direct staff that we would like them to 904 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:36,640 put in a 905 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,550 >> I I what I'd ask for is consensus. could 906 00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:38,560 » I I what I'd ask for is consensus. could 907 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,560 we bring this back as an item for next 908 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,040 meeting where we can give direction, 909 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,560 take a vote and give direction if we all 910 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,359 agree to actually do a um California 911 00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:49,839 information request if necessary of all 912 00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:51,440 the building permits and we can then go 913 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,040 through the building permits and find 914 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,280 out exactly what they're for so that the 915 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,800 public will have a truthful 916 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,720 understanding of what's going on. 917 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:00,310 >> Well, I'm in favor of of doing what you 918 00:39:00,310 --> 00:39:00,320 » Well, I'm in favor of of doing what you 919 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,680 just said, but I think we can probably 920 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,880 do the uh public records request even 921 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,839 beforehand. I'm assuming that you 922 00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:09,040 Everybody just help us get this 923 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:09,839 information. Yeah, 924 00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:10,812 >> she's probably trying to do the 925 00:39:10,812 --> 00:39:10,822 » she's probably trying to do the 926 00:39:10,822 --> 00:39:11,200 [clears throat] same thing. 927 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,790 >> Well, you just need to get her from 928 00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:12,800 » Well, you just need to get her from 929 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,480 they're in the same boat we have. I've 930 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,040 spoke with them. 931 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,670 >> Yeah. Okay. I 932 00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:17,680 » Yeah. Okay. I 933 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,430 >> The problem is, you know, look, I I'm 934 00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:19,440 » The problem is, you know, look, I I'm 935 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,280 I'm never one to be worried about 936 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,960 rocking the boat. I understand a lot of 937 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,480 politicians don't want to rock the boat 938 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,079 and accuse the city of Los Angeles of 939 00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:28,079 lying or put them to the trouble of 940 00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:29,760 telling the truth, but I don't care 941 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,119 about that. I want I want to know what's 942 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:31,520 going on. 943 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,510 >> It should be a fairly easy number to 944 00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:33,520 » It should be a fairly easy number to 945 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,680 attain given Yeah. 946 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:36,710 >> They just won't tell [clears throat] it. 947 00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:36,720 » They just won't tell [clears throat] it. 948 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,960 So if we have to, we might have to do a 949 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,760 uh a legal request. But so that's why if 950 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,000 if you if you're unable to learn the 951 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,079 answer informally by the time of our 952 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:47,440 next meeting, I'd like to be it on our 953 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,839 agenda to take whatever legal action we 954 00:39:49,839 --> 00:39:51,760 need to take to find out formally. 955 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,550 >> I think you have a report on um the 956 00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:54,560 » I think you have a report on um the 957 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,000 information we're able to bring and then 958 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,599 uh the ability for the council to take 959 00:39:57,599 --> 00:39:59,040 further action or give direction to 960 00:39:59,040 --> 00:39:59,760 staff. 961 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:00,230 >> Yeah. 962 00:40:00,230 --> 00:40:00,240 » Yeah. 963 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,150 >> Okay. All right. 964 00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:02,160 » Okay. All right. 965 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,310 >> Thank you. Um, and you know, I want to 966 00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:04,320 » Thank you. Um, and you know, I want to 967 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,680 commend you and the staff for everything 968 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,480 you are doing and trying to do to 969 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,599 increase the numbers in Malibu. Um, I 970 00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:12,880 just think, you know, people need to 971 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,480 understand it took until about twothirds 972 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,079 of the way into the last year before 973 00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:20,480 Yolanda was empowered basically to start 974 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,720 taking control because we still had the 975 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,280 two separate departments and we were 976 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,200 lacking um, stewardship at the uh, top. 977 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,520 And um I I'm impressed by the way things 978 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,280 have been moving since Yolanda has been 979 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,599 given that charge and including with the 980 00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,119 um streamlining of things that are 981 00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:38,960 completely outside the rebuild process 982 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,640 and which keeps coming back to us month 983 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,640 after month with new things. It's great. 984 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,440 Thank you. 985 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,870 >> Thank you. 986 00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:44,880 » Thank you. 987 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,910 >> I Anybody Oh, Doug. 988 00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:47,920 » I Anybody Oh, Doug. 989 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,950 >> Yeah, Doug has 990 00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:48,960 » Yeah, Doug has 991 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,750 >> Yeah. Um, Yolanda, if you could put your 992 00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:51,760 » Yeah. Um, Yolanda, if you could put your 993 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,599 chart back up there, I'd like for you to 994 00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:56,400 kind of give us a a narrative of what 995 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,000 you see as being the the barriers or the 996 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,400 stumbling blocks for people to move 997 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,319 forward. I mean, I we've got roughly 700 998 00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:08,720 homes that are destroyed, right? Roughly 999 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:10,000 that number because I keep seeing that 1000 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,520 number going all over the place. I've 1001 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,800 seen low 600s to up to 700, but we've 1002 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,160 got a oh 200 or so planning review and 1003 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,920 then we've got 43 and 22. What's what's 1004 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,400 holding people back in each one of those 1005 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,240 categories? The planning review and then 1006 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:27,680 building plan check. What's keeping them 1007 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,359 from getting their plan checks? I mean, 1008 00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:32,400 I'm hearing everything from insurance to 1009 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,800 um desire. I mean, what's what's your 1010 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,160 sense of what's going on? 1011 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,390 >> Thank you for this question. 1012 00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:40,400 » Thank you for this question. 1013 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,359 Um it's really hard to pinpoint exactly 1014 00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:45,280 what's going on, but what I'm hearing a 1015 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,119 lot from the homeowners is um insurance, 1016 00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:51,520 right? um insurance and also the number 1017 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,200 of requirements that the city has. Um, 1018 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,760 meaning we are we are per the California 1019 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,200 for the state of California to require a 1020 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,440 set of plans that that has all the 1021 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,359 structural calculations, all the title 1022 00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:09,119 24, all the green building code 1023 00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:12,079 requirements or your civil plans or your 1024 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:14,319 technical plans, your seaw walls, your 1025 00:42:14,319 --> 00:42:18,079 on-site wed treatment systems, your um 1026 00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:20,880 FEMA regulations uh to make sure that 1027 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,160 also in some instances we have our our 1028 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,240 coastal reports. So, it's a layer after 1029 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:31,599 layer of estate requirements that the 1030 00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,400 homeowners need to put together in order 1031 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,880 to come in through building and safety. 1032 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,359 So, acknowledging the number of 1033 00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:42,079 requirements that were not able to be 1034 00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:44,480 flexed because these are building and 1035 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,599 safety requirements that is one of the 1036 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:50,640 biggest thing. Uh also being a regional 1037 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,440 disaster, the number of design 1038 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,319 professionals that are working with the 1039 00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:58,800 different the different jurisdictions 1040 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,880 and the different owners um is limited 1041 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,520 and sometimes we need to wait for them 1042 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,760 to respond or for them to complete the 1043 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,560 information that is required. Uh so I 1044 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,680 think one of them is is is that right 1045 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,839 and then the financial portion of it 1046 00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:19,430 >> and that's in the 4322 4322 on the 1047 00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:19,440 » and that's in the 4322 4322 on the 1048 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,560 building in safety. 1049 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,470 >> Is there since we're on that that 1050 00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:22,480 » Is there since we're on that that 1051 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,079 segment, is there anything that you 1052 00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:27,920 would like to see change that we could 1053 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,839 do? I I realize the legal side it's got 1054 00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:32,079 to be the way it is, but is there 1055 00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:33,520 anything we can be doing? 1056 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,790 >> Yes. Uh continue meeting one- on-one 1057 00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:36,800 » Yes. Uh continue meeting one- on-one 1058 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,040 with the design professionals. That is 1059 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,079 helping out. Uh, like I mentioned, I've 1060 00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:45,520 been coming in every Friday to meet with 1061 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,280 the homeowners or the design 1062 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,119 professionals, and we're working with 1063 00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:51,760 right now with five families to get them 1064 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,119 approvals. Uh, during the holidays, we 1065 00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:58,880 had a few coming in and meet with us, 1066 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,670 >> but I felt that a lot of our design 1067 00:44:01,670 --> 00:44:01,680 » but I felt that a lot of our design 1068 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,880 professionals also took uh time off. Uh, 1069 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,680 so I think we are regaining that 1070 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,520 momentum again. 1071 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,480 uh also to add through all of this the 1072 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,440 storms even if we issue two more permits 1073 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,200 because of the storms they they will not 1074 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,800 be able to start right so um that is 1075 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,119 what can we do more I think is the 1076 00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:25,359 one-on-one with the design professionals 1077 00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:28,079 and the families uh to get them through 1078 00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,880 a point where the plans are completed 1079 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,520 and give them an a a permit that is the 1080 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,520 number one thing that we need to do more 1081 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,680 and what I want to see more is having 1082 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,720 those 43 get a permit. Uh so what are 1083 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:43,280 we're working right now this week is uh 1084 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,160 staff is going through all of those uh 1085 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,119 properties 43 that we that that we are 1086 00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:52,000 under review and highlighting the ones 1087 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,800 that we have seen twice so we can set up 1088 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,040 meetings with those families and those 1089 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,440 design professionals to move those 1090 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,640 projects ahead. Uh sometimes people are 1091 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,359 think of a project has many things that 1092 00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:09,359 they need to work on. Uh we are um we're 1093 00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:10,640 meeting okay let's meet with your 1094 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,480 architect let's get all those items for 1095 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,880 the architect done okay it's done let's 1096 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,720 meet with your civil let's meet let's 1097 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:18,800 take all of that done okay that is done 1098 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,040 so we're taking portion by portion so we 1099 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,000 can move things along um in order to 1100 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,560 help expedite it 1101 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,720 as far as theund uh 209 that are under 1102 00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:32,800 planning submittals 1103 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,520 uh we still have those almost 300 homes 1104 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,280 that need to come 1105 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,960 for uh for uh the planning department to 1106 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,359 start reviewing it and we have not seen 1107 00:45:43,359 --> 00:45:46,240 that. Um we're going to continue doing 1108 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:49,839 the um like our interim uh city manager 1109 00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:53,200 Duba mentioned the uh community meetings 1110 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,680 because those are very critical uh 1111 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,880 communication and our website and also 1112 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,640 for us to continue working with the 1113 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,880 design professionals. One thing that is 1114 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,400 happening on Wednesday, uh the 1115 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,520 geotechnical guidelines uh for fire 1116 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,760 rebuilds are uh they're we're going to 1117 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,319 have pro uh uh amendments to it to make 1118 00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:15,040 it uh more clear and simple. So those 1119 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,400 are being uh presented on Wednesday. On 1120 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,079 Thursday, we're having another meeting 1121 00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:22,319 with the design professionals to share 1122 00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:25,119 that information and also to ask how can 1123 00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,280 we help you move your project moving 1124 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,960 forward. Um 1125 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,000 there's a lot to do. I we uh there's a 1126 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,079 lot a lot to do. 1127 00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:38,150 >> I know uh in our discussions of quick 1128 00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:38,160 » I know uh in our discussions of quick 1129 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,160 conversations I know for you it's that 1130 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,400 one agenda at a time. Each house each 1131 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,200 family is one agenda. So and I echo what 1132 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,359 Bruce said. My gosh, I don't know what 1133 00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:49,200 we'd be doing without you and I don't 1134 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,319 know what we'd be doing without your 1135 00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:53,440 team. And uh I I see them in action. You 1136 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:54,800 walk in the door, you see them talking 1137 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,720 to people. It's a one-on-one 1138 00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:58,960 conversation. and I'm really proud that 1139 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,000 you're doing that. 1140 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,950 >> Thank you. And yeah, it is a whole city 1141 00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:02,960 » Thank you. And yeah, it is a whole city 1142 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,280 effort and um we're committed and and I 1143 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,040 know that there's still a lot of 1144 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,119 challenges and continue working with the 1145 00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:13,760 community and every family to feel that 1146 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,440 we are there for each one of the 1147 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,359 families. That's the most critical thing 1148 00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:18,800 for all of us. 1149 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,309 >> I can't speak for the entire council, 1150 00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:20,319 » I can't speak for the entire council, 1151 00:47:20,319 --> 00:47:22,480 but I you know for me, anything you 1152 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,640 need, anything your team needs, we'll be 1153 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,240 glad to try and get it for you. Okay. 1154 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:28,550 >> Thank you, sir. 1155 00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:28,560 » Thank you, sir. 1156 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:35,910 Can we get the chart back up again? 1157 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,400 What is going on? 1158 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,280 Um, okay. So, are those numbers 1159 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,920 cumulative or they're all separate? 1160 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,359 You'd have to add them all up to have 1161 00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:47,200 the total that somebody has filed some 1162 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,480 kind of an application at this point or 1163 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,079 is there overlap? 1164 00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:53,510 >> Uh, for the first line, right, for the 1165 00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:53,520 » Uh, for the first line, right, for the 1166 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:54,640 planning phase, 1167 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,150 >> Mhm. 62 under planning review. So 62 1168 00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:58,160 » Mhm. 62 under planning review. So 62 1169 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,280 homes are going uh through the uh 1170 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,839 planning entitlement phase which is your 1171 00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:05,599 are they building like for like do they 1172 00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:07,760 need a little bit more? Uh so those are 1173 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,640 the ones uh 147 are separate. So those 1174 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,720 147 already obtained the planning 1175 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:16,000 approval. 1176 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,069 >> Okay. So basically you add all of these 1177 00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:18,079 » Okay. So basically you add all of these 1178 00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:19,760 up and that's how many have at least 1179 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,280 started the process 1180 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,270 >> on the upper portion of it. Yes. So 62 1181 00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:25,280 » on the upper portion of it. Yes. So 62 1182 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,440 plus 147, that's the 209 that I was 1183 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,400 talking to you about. 1184 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:30,870 >> Okay. 1185 00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:30,880 » Okay. 1186 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,069 >> There's two parts to every rebuild. Your 1187 00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:34,079 » There's two parts to every rebuild. Your 1188 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:36,880 planning phase and your building uh and 1189 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,880 safety phase, which is your construction 1190 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:39,280 plans, 1191 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,670 >> right? I understand that. But so the 60 1192 00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:41,680 » right? I understand that. But so the 60 1193 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,960 um five are part of the 209. 1194 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:45,430 >> Yes. 1195 00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:45,440 » Yes. 1196 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,309 >> Okay. And 1197 00:48:48,309 --> 00:48:48,319 » Okay. And 1198 00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:49,920 look, it's it's it's my understanding 1199 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:50,960 and we'll be talking about this later. 1200 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,160 there. So, my understanding we we've 1201 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,760 done pretty much what we can legally to 1202 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,359 um to streamline the planning phase. 1203 00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:01,760 We've, you know, we we've the governor 1204 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,200 through through his good grace has 1205 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,800 adopted the executive orders and then 1206 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,040 we've amended the municipal code. We've 1207 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,119 pretty much streamlined as much as we 1208 00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:12,640 can the planning aspect of it. Um the 1209 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,400 building aspect of it, I know you're 1210 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,800 working hard to try to get people 1211 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,160 through the building part, but it's a 1212 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,160 state code and we have less flexibility, 1213 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,760 right? We have no we have next to no 1214 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,599 flexibility. Um are there more things we 1215 00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:28,240 have the power to do below the line on 1216 00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:30,319 the building part of this or are we just 1217 00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:32,319 constrained by the building code full 1218 00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:33,280 stop? 1219 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,349 >> These state regulations are pretty much 1220 00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:35,359 » These state regulations are pretty much 1221 00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:37,680 black and white and so there's no 1222 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,559 flexibility for that. Uh I think one of 1223 00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:42,160 the things that we need to continue 1224 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,800 reminding the community is that the 1225 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,240 governor did ex uh allow every home to 1226 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:52,079 be rebuilt under the previous building 1227 00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,200 code. Uh knowing that we are going to 1228 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,040 have a code change and there's a lot 1229 00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,000 more restrictions on the new code that 1230 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,160 the governor says okay let's continue 1231 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,240 building under the 2023 code 1232 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:05,349 >> separate from fire. 1233 00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:05,359 » separate from fire. 1234 00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:07,829 >> Separate for fire. Yes. So that is one 1235 00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:07,839 » Separate for fire. Yes. So that is one 1236 00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:10,319 thing that uh sometimes I feel people 1237 00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:14,079 still have that question and so uh that 1238 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,960 is also a benefit um because a lot of 1239 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,119 design professionals are used to those 1240 00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:21,760 that code right now right that they have 1241 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,839 been working with it for three years 1242 00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:25,680 they know what to expect they know the 1243 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,599 type of the type of things uh 1244 00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:30,079 calculations they need to give us uh so 1245 00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:32,240 that is that is good 1246 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:35,990 >> okay next question of the um 65 below 1247 00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:36,000 » okay next question of the um 65 below 1248 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:36,800 the 1249 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,800 Do we know how many of them are um 1250 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,559 owners that lost their home versus 1251 00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:42,880 people who acquired the property? 1252 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,150 >> All of them are homeowners that Yes. 1253 00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:46,160 » All of them are homeowners that Yes. 1254 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,440 Those 22 that you have approval. 1255 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,920 Absolutely. Those are your homeowners 1256 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,839 that day one jump in and are really 1257 00:50:55,839 --> 00:50:57,680 involved on coming in and asking 1258 00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,920 questions. Also those 43. 1259 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:01,510 >> Excellent. Okay. Thank you. 1260 00:51:01,510 --> 00:51:01,520 » Excellent. Okay. Thank you. 1261 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:02,950 >> Yes. [snorts] 1262 00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:02,960 » Yes. [snorts] 1263 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,750 >> I thank you again for all of this. Um I 1264 00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:05,760 » I thank you again for all of this. Um I 1265 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,119 was curious do you guys have like a 1266 00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:09,599 timeline so 1267 00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:12,319 for the 43 in building plan check let's 1268 00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:14,960 say is there a 1269 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,040 some sort of mechanism in which you're 1270 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,680 able to track where everything is and 1271 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,200 then illustrate that so it's like 15 1272 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,240 days or where a little bit more nuanced 1273 00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:27,599 I'm looking for 1274 00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:31,109 >> yeah um the we have a database uh that 1275 00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:31,119 » yeah um the we have a database uh that 1276 00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:34,160 it will show the turnaround times 1277 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,870 >> um I do have to admit that uh through 1278 00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:36,880 » um I do have to admit that uh through 1279 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,040 the change of consultants in November 1280 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,160 and in October uh we did have a big 1281 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,960 hiccup because we needed to um on board 1282 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,319 a new geotechnical coastal engineering 1283 00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:53,440 environmental health uh companies. 1284 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,829 >> So that took a little bit of hiccup on 1285 00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:55,839 » So that took a little bit of hiccup on 1286 00:51:55,839 --> 00:51:58,480 getting everything up up to speed on 1287 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,960 what we were committed to do the reveals 1288 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:01,440 to. 1289 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,750 >> Yeah. our first review uh we were 1290 00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:03,760 » Yeah. our first review uh we were 1291 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,040 committed to do a 10 uh working days and 1292 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,839 I can honestly tell you in front of uh 1293 00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:14,240 in this uh that due to those changes in 1294 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:17,359 companies we were not able to stay with 1295 00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:19,520 the 10day turnaround time 1296 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,910 >> and that's why it was so important for 1297 00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:21,920 » and that's why it was so important for 1298 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,040 us to uh meet with the archite 1299 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,520 architects and the families and start 1300 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,000 working on the items that have been 1301 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,359 completed to facilitate a faster 1302 00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:34,880 turnaround time. 1303 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:35,430 >> Great. 1304 00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:35,440 » Great. 1305 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,670 >> The second submitts is a five day 1306 00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:37,680 » The second submitts is a five day 1307 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,800 turnaround time uh reviews. 1308 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,030 >> Five day. So second submitted 1309 00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:45,040 » Five day. So second submitted 1310 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,480 this review in five days. 1311 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,549 >> That's amazing. 1312 00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:48,559 » That's amazing. 1313 00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:51,990 >> Yeah. And so but also think about it. We 1314 00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:52,000 » Yeah. And so but also think about it. We 1315 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,760 we we 1316 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,400 receive a project, we review it, and 1317 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,400 then we give it corrections with 10 1318 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,040 days. Then those corrections go back to 1319 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,000 the design team. Sometimes this takes 1320 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,559 two weeks, three weeks, it depends, 1321 00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:08,870 >> right? The city has a commitment and 1322 00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:08,880 » right? The city has a commitment and 1323 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,480 then once it's out of the city's hands, 1324 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,319 if it goes to the designer, it's out of 1325 00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:13,200 your hands and it's in [clears throat] 1326 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:14,559 their hands and then the owner has to 1327 00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:16,000 deal with their design team, which could 1328 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,000 take three months, but at least the city 1329 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,119 is not being scapegoed for taking too 1330 00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:23,440 much time is what I'm trying to avoid. 1331 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,510 >> Yeah. and and we still have a lot of 1332 00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:25,520 » Yeah. and and we still have a lot of 1333 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,160 work to do on staying with those 10 days 1334 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,400 turnaround time. I need to acknowledge 1335 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,040 that and and with you because it has 1336 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,359 been difficult to stay with those 10 10 1337 00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:38,079 turnaround times but that is the efforts 1338 00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:40,240 to continue uh working on that. 1339 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:42,230 >> Great. So there is a goal for that now 1340 00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:42,240 » Great. So there is a goal for that now 1341 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:43,599 that the hiccups have kind of been 1342 00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:46,480 sorted hopefully you know with the 1343 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,280 change of consultants a 10day goal is 1344 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,400 where we're working. 1345 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:51,190 >> Yes. Yes. 1346 00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:51,200 » Yes. Yes. 1347 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,109 >> That's terrific. And then I have a 1348 00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:53,119 » That's terrific. And then I have a 1349 00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:55,119 second question. Um over the holiday 1350 00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:57,520 unfort you know I got a bunch of emails 1351 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,119 from um a gentleman about an update with 1352 00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:04,720 rebuild rights. I really need clarity on 1353 00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:07,359 I think and I don't even know how to 1354 00:54:07,359 --> 00:54:12,950 explain this but the original owner 1355 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,630 go ahead 1356 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,720 um being the authorized it's Abe Oman. 1357 00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:22,160 Does anybody know what I'm talking 1358 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:22,480 about? 1359 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,710 >> Yeah, I think the question I think was 1360 00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:24,720 » Yeah, I think the question I think was 1361 00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:26,960 um does the right for like forlike 1362 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,359 rebuilds flow with the property? Is that 1363 00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:30,559 the question? 1364 00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:32,630 >> It it's more complex. I have this 1365 00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:32,640 » It it's more complex. I have this 1366 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,240 something to talk about during council 1367 00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:35,920 member comments and actually ask for a 1368 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,520 consensus for something on that. 1369 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:37,829 >> Okay. 1370 00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:37,839 » Okay. 1371 00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:39,109 >> Because I I think it's premature to do 1372 00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:39,119 » Because I I think it's premature to do 1373 00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:40,800 that at this point in time. We can if 1374 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:41,119 you 1375 00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:42,470 >> Oh, I don't know what the proper time 1376 00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:42,480 » Oh, I don't know what the proper time 1377 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:43,520 is. I just want to make sure I don't 1378 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,119 forget because I end up forgetting and 1379 00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:46,240 then I'm like 1380 00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:47,190 >> you'll be around later 1381 00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:47,200 » you'll be around later 1382 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,710 >> the meeting first to talk about it. 1383 00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:48,720 » the meeting first to talk about it. 1384 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:49,589 >> I'll be here. 1385 00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:49,599 » I'll be here. 1386 00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:49,910 >> Yeah. 1387 00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:49,920 » Yeah. 1388 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,670 >> Okay. Great. We'll wait. I'm cool with 1389 00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:51,680 » Okay. Great. We'll wait. I'm cool with 1390 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:52,559 that 1391 00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:53,910 >> because I think that's more substantive 1392 00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:53,920 » because I think that's more substantive 1393 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,200 than just asking questions at this 1394 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:55,599 point. 1395 00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:58,630 >> Perfect. 1396 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,839 » Any more questions for Yolanda? 1397 00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:04,069 >> And just um I just want to clarify. So 1398 00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:04,079 » And just um I just want to clarify. So 1399 00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:06,000 that that 10day turnaround is not a 1400 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,680 guarantee of an approval. That's a 10 1401 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,480 days to identify things that don't 1402 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,160 comply with the minimum code standards 1403 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,520 for the building code. 1404 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,270 >> That is correct. This is what we call 1405 00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:15,280 » That is correct. This is what we call 1406 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,480 the first uh review in which uh usually 1407 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,480 we issue corrections 1408 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,790 >> and then on the second round that five 1409 00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:22,800 » and then on the second round that five 1410 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,520 days you're hoping that it's you're able 1411 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,520 to do it so much faster because the 1412 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,559 design professional has addressed those 1413 00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:32,480 deficiencies 1414 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,240 um to meet the minimum code standards 1415 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:36,720 and you're you're doing a quality check 1416 00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:38,000 uh to confirm that. 1417 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,230 >> Yes, that is correct. Okay, Doug. 1418 00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:40,240 » Yes, that is correct. Okay, Doug. 1419 00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:41,990 >> Um yeah, probably more of a 1420 00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:42,000 » Um yeah, probably more of a 1421 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,240 clarification. I know early on when we 1422 00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:46,319 were talking about uh turnaround times 1423 00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:49,200 and so forth, there was a concern that 1424 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,240 additional um identified items would 1425 00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:53,599 would appear every time they came 1426 00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:56,960 through the cycle. Um I know it's 1427 00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,400 happened to me when I was building my 1428 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,040 house 25 years ago. How are we handling 1429 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,799 that? How are we handling that? 1430 00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:04,870 >> We're trying to handle that with the 1431 00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:04,880 » We're trying to handle that with the 1432 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:09,520 consultants um u having consistency on 1433 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,440 what they're reviewing. We're also 1434 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,319 trying to handle it when we when they're 1435 00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:15,839 resubmitting 1436 00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:18,400 um when we're meeting in person with 1437 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,799 that with those design professionals. 1438 00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:23,280 We're able to capture why do they give 1439 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,880 you the that correction that shouldn't 1440 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,880 be a corrections. So those are being 1441 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,359 addressed as quality control when staff 1442 00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:32,000 is meeting also with with the homeowners 1443 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,240 and the design professionals. And also 1444 00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:36,640 that's why we have set up uh monthly 1445 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,799 meetings with the design professionals. 1446 00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:42,079 this started since September uh to start 1447 00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:44,400 addressing all of those items, right? 1448 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,480 What is that we need to do better as a 1449 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,599 city? How can we help them uh get a 1450 00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:52,799 better understanding or or what is that 1451 00:56:52,799 --> 00:56:54,799 is being done that we should not be 1452 00:56:54,799 --> 00:56:57,119 doing? So, that is helping out also with 1453 00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:58,400 the design professional. 1454 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,789 >> I guess I I I want to make sure that 1455 00:57:00,789 --> 00:57:00,799 » I guess I I I want to make sure that 1456 00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:02,240 we're on the record with this. I'm not 1457 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:04,240 trying to hold you to 100%. But we're 1458 00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:07,119 not identifying new items in these uh 1459 00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:09,760 cycles of reviews. Is that correct? So 1460 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,760 you get the first round and unless it's 1461 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,359 a correction on something that you 1462 00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:16,079 corrected, we're we're coning it down. 1463 00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:18,789 >> That is what what it should be. 1464 00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:18,799 » That is what what it should be. 1465 00:57:18,799 --> 00:57:19,109 >> Right. 1466 00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:19,119 » Right. 1467 00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:21,990 >> Uh sometimes occurs that on the first 1468 00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:22,000 » Uh sometimes occurs that on the first 1469 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,000 metal information was not given 1470 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,960 completely. Let's said um and I have 1471 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,880 seen this and I'm just can give you an 1472 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,680 example. a homeowners came in uh they 1473 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,319 wanted to put a pool uh they but they 1474 00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:35,839 wanted the pool to be in a separate 1475 00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:39,760 submetto. So on the first review with 1476 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,160 the structural calculations for the pool 1477 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,480 was not submitted. Then through a 1478 00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,880 conversation with the homeowner 1479 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,079 um we figure out well it's best to have 1480 00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:52,000 the whole permit moving forward instead 1481 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,839 of separating it. Uh so they submitted 1482 00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:57,839 the calculation the structural 1483 00:57:57,839 --> 00:57:59,520 calculations for the pool and the second 1484 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,240 sumeto. So those are new corrections 1485 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,160 because we never got to see it at the 1486 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:08,549 beginning. 1487 00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:10,720 » I have one more set of questions. 1488 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,309 >> So um I'm still I'm still interested in 1489 00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:14,319 » So um I'm still I'm still interested in 1490 00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:16,640 these apples to oranges comparisons that 1491 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,720 we're getting. So, um, there was also a 1492 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,720 press release this week by Cal Matters 1493 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,359 that was, um, 1494 00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:25,200 it's puff as far as I'm concerned, but 1495 00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,720 it says that more than 2600 residential 1496 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,640 permits have been issued between the 1497 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,599 Palisades and Aladena. Um, which is 1498 00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:35,760 roughly one in every five of nearly 1499 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,680 13,000 1500 00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,599 homes lost. That's that's a direct 1501 00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:42,160 quote. Um, two questions if you know the 1502 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:43,760 answer. The first is, are they including 1503 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,000 Malibu when they say Aladena and 1504 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,440 Palisades? Are they just are they 1505 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:48,559 talking about the fires? Are they 1506 00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:50,480 talking about the areas Aladena and 1507 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:51,359 Palisades? 1508 00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:54,710 >> I'm not sure what uh source you are 1509 00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:54,720 » I'm not sure what uh source you are 1510 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,160 mentioning that. Um usually yes. When 1511 00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:03,440 they um the press does do a uh um a 1512 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,599 report on numbers, they try to include 1513 00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:10,640 Malibu under the Palis incident. Uh but 1514 00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,240 I'm not sure specifically on this. 1515 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,589 >> Yeah, I'm not sure because it's it's an 1516 00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:13,599 » Yeah, I'm not sure because it's it's an 1517 00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:15,040 odd formulation. They don't say eaten 1518 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,280 and al eaten and palisades fires. They 1519 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,160 say aladina and palisades. Um, which 1520 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,240 leads me to another question. They say 1521 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,880 they they say residential permits. Do we 1522 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,359 know what that means? Because I could be 1523 00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:28,640 looking at this and think that well 1524 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,839 we've issued 147 permits, planning 1525 00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:33,920 permits. We haven't issued building 1526 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,000 permits yet. Are do we know what they 1527 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,799 mean by permit residential permits? 1528 00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:41,680 Um, not knowing the source is hard for 1529 00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,839 me to tell you, but when somebody says 1530 00:59:43,839 --> 00:59:45,839 residential permits, it's usually 1531 00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:49,040 residential building permits. Um, but I 1532 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,640 again, I don't know the source of what 1533 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:51,680 you're looking at. 1534 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:52,390 >> Okay. 1535 00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:52,400 » Okay. 1536 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,150 >> But that could go to just like we're 1537 00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:54,160 » But that could go to just like we're 1538 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,880 reporting that we have issued 491 1539 00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,480 permits that include repairs and other 1540 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,480 things, which is separate from 22 homes. 1541 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,920 So, it kind of it sounds like depends on 1542 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,680 the bucket that you're trying to fill. 1543 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,119 You know, do you want to just say you've 1544 01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:12,160 issued 1545 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,030 >> almost 500 permits, which we have, but 1546 01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:15,040 » almost 500 permits, which we have, but 1547 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,880 that doesn't get to the heart of what 1548 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,240 people really want, which are the 1549 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:18,720 houses. 1550 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,230 >> Every time I try to figure out what's 1551 01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:20,240 » Every time I try to figure out what's 1552 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,079 going on elsewhere, it's just it's 1553 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:22,880 opaque. 1554 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,549 >> Yes. 1555 01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:28,400 Anything else, Steve? You have you've 1556 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:29,599 been quiet. 1557 01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:30,710 >> Yolanda, thank you very much [laughter] 1558 01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:30,720 » Yolanda, thank you very much [laughter] 1559 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:31,839 for what you've been doing. You're doing 1560 01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:32,720 a heck of a job. 1561 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,150 >> Thank you, sir. Uh the only thing I 1562 01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:34,160 » Thank you, sir. Uh the only thing I 1563 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,000 would just re you know this the process 1564 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,119 of the design professionals taking some 1565 01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:41,280 time before they get back back to you in 1566 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:42,720 terms of once you give them the the 1567 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,040 material. My experience over the years 1568 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,400 I've been doing this stuff. I mean I get 1569 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,040 a call from a customer or resident who 1570 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,359 says I'm being held up and we chase it 1571 01:00:51,359 --> 01:00:53,280 down. It's their design professional 1572 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:54,799 who's holding up and are getting stuff 1573 01:00:54,799 --> 01:00:56,559 back to us. So the more you can make 1574 01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:58,000 that visible for the people who are 1575 01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,527 building their homes. I think it's 1576 01:00:59,527 --> 01:01:01,920 [laughter] gonna help us because they 1577 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,240 don't know who to blame, right? I mean, 1578 01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:04,799 uh, 1579 01:01:04,799 --> 01:01:06,789 >> and my hope is that we don't blame each 1580 01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:06,799 » and my hope is that we don't blame each 1581 01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:09,280 other. My hope is that we work together 1582 01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,240 and that really is critical on my design 1583 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,319 professions and even the contractors 1584 01:01:14,319 --> 01:01:16,880 that we are on that same page. There's 1585 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,920 so much work for us to do ahead. And 1586 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,400 some of the home the architects that got 1587 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,119 an approval, uh, I'm asking them, you 1588 01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:27,359 know, we already have a template. use 1589 01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:29,280 this template for the next permit that 1590 01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:30,880 you're coming in. That way you don't get 1591 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,160 a lot of corrections. But it does we 1592 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,440 cannot do this by ourselves and 1593 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,440 the families really need us. So I 1594 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,240 Yes, it's it's a big task ahead of us. 1595 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,309 >> Okay. All right. We're we're eating up 1596 01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:46,319 » Okay. All right. We're we're eating up 1597 01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:49,040 all that time. Um do you have any more? 1598 01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:53,359 Okay. Um I'm guessing Sergeant Sodelin, 1599 01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:55,589 >> when is the point in the meeting when we 1600 01:01:55,589 --> 01:01:55,599 » when is the point in the meeting when we 1601 01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:57,599 do council consensus to move an agenda 1602 01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:03,680 item forward? Um to request ADA to go in 1603 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:04,720 the beginning of the 1604 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,990 >> Oh. Um well, we adopted the we can when 1605 01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:08,000 » Oh. Um well, we adopted the we can when 1606 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,760 we finish up this and 1607 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:10,390 >> perfect. 1608 01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:10,400 » perfect. 1609 01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,270 >> Let's get this done. See where we how 1610 01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:13,280 » Let's get this done. See where we how 1611 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:14,960 close we are to 6:30 and then we can 1612 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,359 talk about reordering an item. 1613 01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:19,349 >> Thanks. 1614 01:02:19,349 --> 01:02:19,359 » Thanks. 1615 01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:20,000 Hi. 1616 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:20,470 >> Hi. 1617 01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:20,480 » Hi. 1618 01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,109 >> What's been going on the last few weeks? 1619 01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:23,119 » What's been going on the last few weeks? 1620 01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:25,270 >> Not a lot, which is good. Just a lot of 1621 01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:25,280 » Not a lot, which is good. Just a lot of 1622 01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,680 rain. Happy New Year, city council. We 1623 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,400 are in 2026, which means I have 1624 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,440 December's crime statistics, which will 1625 01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,119 give us the uh year end uh total and we 1626 01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:39,280 can compare that to the previous years. 1627 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:46,240 So in December there was a total of 16 1628 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,359 reported part one crimes and if we 1629 01:02:49,359 --> 01:02:52,079 remember part one crimes are uh 1630 01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:54,319 homicides, rapes, aggravated assaults, 1631 01:02:54,319 --> 01:02:56,079 robbery, burglary, lararseny, grand 1632 01:02:56,079 --> 01:02:58,079 theft auto and arson. So some of the ser 1633 01:02:58,079 --> 01:02:59,760 most serious crimes. So there was only 1634 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,960 16 reported and that brings the total 1635 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,079 for 2025 to 261 1636 01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:08,880 for the entire year. This compares with 1637 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,160 440 for the previous year 2024. So 1638 01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,160 that's a 40.7% 1639 01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,880 decrease. Now you could say that uh the 1640 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,400 Palisades fire had something to do with 1641 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,039 that and that's certainly yes. But the 1642 01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:24,160 5-year change the 5-year uh change from 1643 01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,839 2020 the average is a 35% decrease. So 1644 01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:30,559 it's in the same ballpark. So uh we are 1645 01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:32,319 certainly moving in the right direction. 1646 01:03:32,319 --> 01:03:35,418 So I'm very happy to see that. Um we 1647 01:03:35,418 --> 01:03:38,000 [clears throat] also have the uh traffic 1648 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,559 uh collision information for the entire 1649 01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:43,760 year and so that follows the same trend. 1650 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:47,359 So there was year to date uh for 2025 1651 01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:50,720 there was 176 total collisions in the 1652 01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,200 city. Um but the year prior there was 1653 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,599 327 and so that's a 46% decrease which 1654 01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:00,480 is great to see. Um more significantly 1655 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,359 injury collisions dropped 41%. So there 1656 01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:06,640 was 59 for 2025 compared with 100 for 1657 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,319 the year prior. Um 1658 01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:13,200 DUI collisions were also down. There was 1659 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,520 a total of three last year. This 1660 01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,039 compares with 11 from the year prior. So 1661 01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:21,200 all in all people are seem to be slowing 1662 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,359 down. Obviously the construction zone 1663 01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:27,200 has something to do with that. But uh it 1664 01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,200 shows that slower speeds mean fewer 1665 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:30,640 collisions and fewer people being 1666 01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,880 injured. So 1667 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,950 >> shocking shocking to to think that but 1668 01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:34,960 » shocking shocking to to think that but 1669 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,799 that is the case. So uh moving forward 1670 01:04:38,799 --> 01:04:41,440 for 2026. So the sheriff's department uh 1671 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:46,400 has a couple different goals. Um the 1672 01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,960 first one we're going to keep up with 1673 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,400 PCH safety. Um in terms of fatal 1674 01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:53,920 collisions, there was only one fatal 1675 01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,359 collision last year and that was not on 1676 01:04:55,359 --> 01:04:57,920 PCH. That was on Decker Canyon. So, 1677 01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,240 there was zero fatal collisions on PCH 1678 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,119 last year, which is what we are hoping 1679 01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:04,960 for every year. So, we're going to keep 1680 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,720 on uh pressing on PCH safety. So, with 1681 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,839 that, speed cameras uh are hopefully 1682 01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:14,240 going to be installed this year. Uh 1683 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:15,920 there's a roundabout project that the 1684 01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,160 city and the Cal Transit Sheriff's 1685 01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:21,119 Department are collaborating on. Um we 1686 01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:23,280 are also planning a to do a GUI 1687 01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,319 checkpoint uh in the near future. Uh, 1688 01:05:26,319 --> 01:05:28,160 and we're going to continue with uh 1689 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,839 enforcement on PCH uh our motors and the 1690 01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:35,599 city is um graciously providing extra 1691 01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:37,200 funding for additional traffic 1692 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,280 enforcement. So, we are going to 1693 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,559 continue that and continue uh to enforce 1694 01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:44,480 the traffic laws and keep everybody safe 1695 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,400 on PCH. 1696 01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,960 Um, another 1697 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,960 point that we are going to focus on in 1698 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,760 2026 is public safety during the 1699 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,680 recovery. And by that I mean uh 1700 01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,720 homeowners properties. Uh we want people 1701 01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,119 to rebuild and be secure in their 1702 01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:02,799 property leaving construction equipment 1703 01:06:02,799 --> 01:06:05,119 which is very very expensive 1704 01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:08,079 construction construction material. Um 1705 01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:10,400 we want that to be secure and we want 1706 01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,200 people to not have to worry about 1707 01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,039 another tragedy on top of what they 1708 01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:18,720 already went through. Uh with that our 1709 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,960 camera registry we want to push that out 1710 01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,400 again because that will be very 1711 01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:23,920 beneficial. 1712 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,000 uh to synchron synchronize with our 1713 01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,079 real-time watch center. People can 1714 01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:30,240 integrate their cameras and that way we 1715 01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,160 can have real-time access if they so 1716 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,880 choose or we'll be able to do follow-up 1717 01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,440 investigation. So, uh our camera 1718 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:42,400 registry is vital for that. Um 1719 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,720 we're also going to focus on the 1720 01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,280 homeless population that Malibu has and 1721 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:48,880 continue collaborating with our host 1722 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:50,960 team and our the outreach teams for 1723 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,119 housing for the homeless population. and 1724 01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:55,760 we're going to uh continue enforcement 1725 01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,559 of all applicable laws uh as it relates 1726 01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:00,720 to the homeless. So, we are still on a 1727 01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,559 downtrend on the homeless population and 1728 01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:06,079 we want that to continue and hopefully 1729 01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:09,280 2026 will be much better in 2025. 1730 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,039 So, I am available if anyone has 1731 01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:12,480 questions. 1732 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:13,829 >> Anyone have any questions for the 1733 01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:13,839 » Anyone have any questions for the 1734 01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:15,359 sergeant? 1735 01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:15,670 >> I do. 1736 01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:15,680 » I do. 1737 01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,109 >> Thank you. Okay, go ahead. 1738 01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:17,119 » Thank you. Okay, go ahead. 1739 01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:19,510 >> Thank you. Um do you have a substation 1740 01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:19,520 » Thank you. Um do you have a substation 1741 01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,200 update? 1742 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:25,119 So the latest update is the city council 1743 01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:28,319 approved the radio tower which is one of 1744 01:07:28,319 --> 01:07:31,520 the major hurdles to the substation. Uh 1745 01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,359 the county can now start the certificate 1746 01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:38,319 of occupancy and accepting ownership of 1747 01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:41,599 that. uh the lead time that I had heard 1748 01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:44,799 from our uh internal services division 1749 01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:47,760 on getting that tower uh installed with 1750 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,160 all the proper equipment is uh 10 to 12 1751 01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:54,319 months lead time. So that's timeline 1752 01:07:54,319 --> 01:07:56,640 we're looking at and hopefully uh this 1753 01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,319 time next year we'll have better clarity 1754 01:07:58,319 --> 01:08:00,640 on when we can start moving in. 1755 01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:04,069 >> Thank you. Um, I was also wondering if 1756 01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:04,079 » Thank you. Um, I was also wondering if 1757 01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:07,119 um you had an update on the machete man 1758 01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:09,200 that I think I heard about over the 1759 01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:09,920 weekend. 1760 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:10,710 >> Machete man. 1761 01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:10,720 » Machete man. 1762 01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,589 >> There was a man we with a machete at 1763 01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:13,599 » There was a man we with a machete at 1764 01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:16,319 Ralphs or Malibu Road. You didn't hear 1765 01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:18,719 about that? It was on my citizen app 1766 01:08:18,719 --> 01:08:20,000 that you're there. 1767 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,990 >> So, I've been on bereavement leave so I 1768 01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:22,000 » So, I've been on bereavement leave so I 1769 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,719 don't have Yeah, I don't have the latest 1770 01:08:24,719 --> 01:08:25,839 information, 1771 01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:26,630 >> but 1772 01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:26,640 » but 1773 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:27,990 >> I will look into that for you. 1774 01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:28,000 » I will look into that for you. 1775 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,669 >> Thank you. Yeah, it seems like that's 1776 01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:29,679 » Thank you. Yeah, it seems like that's 1777 01:08:29,679 --> 01:08:31,440 the weapon of choice that I keep hearing 1778 01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:34,000 about here. I hope he's brush clearing 1779 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,120 with his machete, but um do you also al 1780 01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,600 have any like in uh information on 1781 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,359 parking citations around the East 1782 01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:43,359 Winding Way area for the last two weeks? 1783 01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:44,960 I know that the city has their own 1784 01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,199 parking. I wasn't sure if the sheriff's 1785 01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:49,839 also have like some data on that. 1786 01:08:49,839 --> 01:08:52,390 >> We do. Um, 1787 01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:52,400 » We do. Um, 1788 01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,880 so I don't have specifically for that 1789 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:59,440 area, but um, parking violations and 1790 01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:02,640 citations in general, uh, we issued 1791 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,319 44,000 1792 01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:06,000 and change last year. 1793 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,749 >> Mhm. 1794 01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:07,759 » Mhm. 1795 01:09:07,759 --> 01:09:08,640 44,000 1796 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,349 >> just the deputies or accumulated between 1797 01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:11,359 » just the deputies or accumulated between 1798 01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,279 all 1799 01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:15,269 >> that is a good question. I I don't know 1800 01:09:15,269 --> 01:09:15,279 » that is a good question. I I don't know 1801 01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:17,359 if this includes the city 1802 01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:19,669 >> parking enforcement, but the total on 1803 01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:19,679 » parking enforcement, but the total on 1804 01:09:19,679 --> 01:09:22,400 here is 44,439 1805 01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:27,189 >> in the city limits avail. 1806 01:09:27,199 --> 01:09:29,440 » That's a lot. Um 1807 01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:31,030 >> that's why we hired parking enforcement 1808 01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:31,040 » that's why we hired parking enforcement 1809 01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:31,520 to help. 1810 01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,590 >> Yeah. Do we get like a report from the 1811 01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:33,600 » Yeah. Do we get like a report from the 1812 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,120 parking enforcement like Dian? 1813 01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,430 >> I don't do Do you want Susan to 1814 01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:37,440 » I don't do Do you want Susan to 1815 01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:39,269 >> Oh, maybe I'll ask I'll put it in my 1816 01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:39,279 » Oh, maybe I'll ask I'll put it in my 1817 01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:41,679 council comments. I'll ask you about 1818 01:09:41,679 --> 01:09:46,319 that after. Um, so 44,000 tickets in the 1819 01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:49,120 city of Malibu for 2025. 1820 01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:50,950 >> It seems like a lot, but when you put in 1821 01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:50,960 » It seems like a lot, but when you put in 1822 01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:52,880 perspective, I mean, Malibu sees 1823 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:53,920 millions of people 1824 01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:54,390 >> totally 1825 01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:54,400 » totally 1826 01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:55,510 >> in the summertime. 1827 01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:55,520 » in the summertime. 1828 01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:55,990 >> Yeah. 1829 01:09:55,990 --> 01:09:56,000 » Yeah. 1830 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,189 >> So, it's a tip of the iceberg of the 1831 01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:59,199 » So, it's a tip of the iceberg of the 1832 01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:00,719 actual amount of vehicles that come 1833 01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:01,760 through the city. So, 1834 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,110 >> right. Um, I was also curious why do we 1835 01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:05,120 » right. Um, I was also curious why do we 1836 01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,280 get how many DUI checkpoints a year? Is 1837 01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,080 it one, two, four, and then? I believe 1838 01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:13,360 uh through the OTS grant there's two 1839 01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,040 that are funded. 1840 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:16,790 >> Okay. 1841 01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:16,800 » Okay. 1842 01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,480 Okay. 1843 01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:21,040 Oh, and you've been doing work with your 1844 01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,159 right of entries, your ROE's, 1845 01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:26,630 >> right? Let of agency. 1846 01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:26,640 » right? Let of agency. 1847 01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,070 >> Well, yeah, the letter of agency. 1848 01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:28,080 » Well, yeah, the letter of agency. 1849 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:28,880 Exactly. Correct. 1850 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,950 >> Because I know that if you're trying to 1851 01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:30,960 » Because I know that if you're trying to 1852 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,280 help with crime on people's properties, 1853 01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,280 they also have to have that letter. Is 1854 01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:36,239 that correct? 1855 01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:38,470 >> It would be very beneficial. Yes. We we 1856 01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:38,480 » It would be very beneficial. Yes. We we 1857 01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:41,199 saw a massive influx of them submitted 1858 01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:44,320 to us when we originally did the uh 1859 01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:45,189 >> I signed mine. 1860 01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:45,199 » I signed mine. 1861 01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:47,590 >> Yeah, the public outreach on it. 1862 01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:47,600 » Yeah, the public outreach on it. 1863 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,110 >> Okay, that's it. Thank you. 1864 01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:49,120 » Okay, that's it. Thank you. 1865 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,270 >> Mhm. 1866 01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:51,280 » Mhm. 1867 01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,270 >> Uh by the way, on those letter of 1868 01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:53,280 » Uh by the way, on those letter of 1869 01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:54,960 agencies, they do expire. Is that 1870 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:55,600 correct? 1871 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:56,790 >> So, you got to do it every year. 1872 01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:56,800 » So, you got to do it every year. 1873 01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,390 >> I believe they're every two years. 1874 01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:58,400 » I believe they're every two years. 1875 01:10:58,400 --> 01:10:59,910 >> Every two years. Yes. Okay. Just a 1876 01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:59,920 » Every two years. Yes. Okay. Just a 1877 01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:01,600 reminder for that. 1878 01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,669 >> You left out what I thought was the most 1879 01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:03,679 » You left out what I thought was the most 1880 01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:06,400 significant thing. your two deputies 1881 01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,320 that decide to go swimming on December 1882 01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,480 19th. Uh, Deputy Matkin and Gregorian. 1883 01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:13,750 >> Gregorian, correct? 1884 01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:13,760 » Gregorian, correct? 1885 01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,070 >> Two heroes. If there ever was two 1886 01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:16,080 » Two heroes. If there ever was two 1887 01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,360 heroes, um, the video of that was 1888 01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,199 astounding. I hope there's recognition 1889 01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:22,239 in the future for them. 1890 01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:23,189 >> There will be. 1891 01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:23,199 » There will be. 1892 01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:25,430 >> Can we tell hear the story of what 1893 01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:25,440 » Can we tell hear the story of what 1894 01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:26,159 occurred? 1895 01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:27,189 >> Why don't you tell it? 1896 01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:27,199 » Why don't you tell it? 1897 01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:30,070 >> Sure. So, um, I don't have the exact 1898 01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:30,080 » Sure. So, um, I don't have the exact 1899 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,640 date, but I know it was, uh, several 1900 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,239 weeks ago. Um, paragliders were 1901 01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:38,960 disoriented in the fog and crashed in 1902 01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,920 the ocean uh several hundred feet off 1903 01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,920 the shore. And the deputies responded 1904 01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,120 immediately saw them in peril stuck in 1905 01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,000 their their cords from the paragliders 1906 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,640 or from the apparatus. and they without 1907 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,880 hesitation took off all their gear, took 1908 01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:56,880 their boots off and went in in full 1909 01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,280 uniform and swam out and cut the 1910 01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:03,120 paracords off from around them. And 1911 01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:04,960 according to the deputies that they were 1912 01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,120 uh in shock and they were trying to pull 1913 01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,280 the deputies under to try and get out of 1914 01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,679 the water and deputies did a great job 1915 01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:14,480 and rescued them and they are real 1916 01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:16,239 heroes. 1917 01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:19,440 So, and uh we told the sheriff about it 1918 01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:21,600 when he was here last week and he was 1919 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,159 very very happy to meet them in in 1920 01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:26,080 person. So, I'm sure there will be some 1921 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,159 recognition coming their way. 1922 01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:29,830 >> One of the guys was here last week. 1923 01:12:29,830 --> 01:12:29,840 » One of the guys was here last week. 1924 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,350 >> He [clears throat] was guy with the big 1925 01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:31,360 » He [clears throat] was guy with the big 1926 01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:32,560 mustache. Y 1927 01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:33,270 >> Oh, that was him. 1928 01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:33,280 » Oh, that was him. 1929 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:34,470 >> And he's actually one of the special 1930 01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:34,480 » And he's actually one of the special 1931 01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:36,320 assignment deputies for Malibu. 1932 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:37,270 >> Oh, awesome. 1933 01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:37,280 » Oh, awesome. 1934 01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,470 >> And that water was about 60 low 60 1935 01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:40,480 » And that water was about 60 low 60 1936 01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:42,000 degrees temperature 1937 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,310 >> and they were in their duty uniforms. 1938 01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:44,320 » and they were in their duty uniforms. 1939 01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,870 >> Yep. Um, as a somebody that took 1940 01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:46,880 » Yep. Um, as a somebody that took 1941 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,719 lifeguard training, I can only imagine 1942 01:12:48,719 --> 01:12:51,679 how those people struggled to try and 1943 01:12:51,679 --> 01:12:53,360 push the deputies down so I could get 1944 01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,159 up. It's it's an amazing story and they 1945 01:12:56,159 --> 01:12:57,360 truly are heroes. 1946 01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:58,229 >> So, 1947 01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:58,239 » So, 1948 01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:00,390 >> what area amounted? 1949 01:13:00,390 --> 01:13:00,400 » what area amounted? 1950 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,470 >> I'm not sure actually. I don't 1951 01:13:02,470 --> 01:13:02,480 » I'm not sure actually. I don't 1952 01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:04,630 >> thought it was up by you. I mean by a 1953 01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:04,640 » thought it was up by you. I mean by a 1954 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,679 point June headlin 1955 01:13:07,679 --> 01:13:08,400 I heard 1956 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,229 >> Steve 1957 01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:10,239 » Steve 1958 01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:10,950 >> you're good. 1959 01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:10,960 » you're good. 1960 01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,550 >> Anybody else? 1961 01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:12,560 » Anybody else? 1962 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,950 >> Thank you and thank you to all the first 1963 01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:14,960 » Thank you and thank you to all the first 1964 01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:16,640 responders out there. I appreciate all 1965 01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,400 the hard work and let's hear to a 1966 01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:19,110 >> happy new year. 1967 01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:19,120 » happy new year. 1968 01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:20,470 >> A good new year. 1969 01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:20,480 » A good new year. 1970 01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:22,390 >> Thank you. 1971 01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:22,400 » Thank you. 1972 01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:22,790 >> Okay. 1973 01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:22,800 » Okay. 1974 01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,950 >> Hi. Just wanted to really quickly follow 1975 01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:24,960 » Hi. Just wanted to really quickly follow 1976 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,800 up on Halen's question about the parking 1977 01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:28,640 force. I just want to let you know that 1978 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,360 we are right now planning to bring back 1979 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,920 a a comprehensive report on how the 1980 01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:35,600 whole parking enforcement program has 1981 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:37,440 gone for the last year and a half 1982 01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:39,280 because we'll be looking at renewing the 1983 01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:42,239 contract. So, I think if you can wait a 1984 01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:43,679 little bit, we'll be ready to give you a 1985 01:13:43,679 --> 01:13:45,920 full report and give you all the details 1986 01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:47,440 you want at that time. 1987 01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:49,110 >> That would be super. Are there like 1988 01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:49,120 » That would be super. Are there like 1989 01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:50,960 specific location specific like 1990 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:52,960 hotspots? Do you think that'll be 1991 01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,709 >> We can have that information. Yes. 1992 01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:54,719 » We can have that information. Yes. 1993 01:13:54,719 --> 01:14:01,750 >> Fantastic. Thank you so much. 1994 01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,760 Okay. So, we filled up all the way to 1995 01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,760 6:30. 1996 01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,400 Um, before we begin our agenda, does 1997 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,480 anybody want a restroom break? 1998 01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:11,189 >> Okay. 1999 01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:11,199 » Okay. 2000 01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:14,149 >> I would like to ask to move item 8A to 2001 01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:14,159 » I would like to ask to move item 8A to 2002 01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,000 the beginning of our meeting. 2003 01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,990 >> Uh, so do you want to do public comment 2004 01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:18,000 » Uh, so do you want to do public comment 2005 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,360 first or do you want to do that and then 2006 01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,320 come back to 4 A? I think public comment 2007 01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,640 but then as far as we go into our 2008 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,040 program for the evening 8A is the 2009 01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:29,840 beginning. 2010 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:34,390 >> So do 4A and then move 8A before 5A. 2011 01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:34,400 » So do 4A and then move 8A before 5A. 2012 01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:35,270 >> What's 5A 2013 01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:35,280 » What's 5A 2014 01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,310 >> there? So we have public comment is item 2015 01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:38,320 » there? So we have public comment is item 2016 01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,480 4 A. We have council member comments is 2017 01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:43,040 item 4B. And then on the agenda, the 2018 01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,760 first item for discussion is item 5A, 2019 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:47,520 the building standards code. So, would 2020 01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,400 you like to hear 8A after public 2021 01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,480 comment, after council comments, or 2022 01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:55,040 after the building code? 2023 01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:56,149 >> After council comment? 2024 01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:56,159 » After council comment? 2025 01:14:56,159 --> 01:14:57,189 >> After council comments. 2026 01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:57,199 » After council comments. 2027 01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:00,470 >> Okay. So, do 4 A and 4 B, then 8A, then 2028 01:15:00,470 --> 01:15:00,480 » Okay. So, do 4 A and 4 B, then 8A, then 2029 01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:01,760 the remainder of the agenda. 2030 01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,510 >> Yeah. Okay. Anybody want to second that? 2031 01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:03,520 » Yeah. Okay. Anybody want to second that? 2032 01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:04,310 >> I'll second that. 2033 01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:04,320 » I'll second that. 2034 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:05,350 >> All in favor? 2035 01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:05,360 » All in favor? 2036 01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:06,070 >> I I 2037 01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:06,080 » I I 2038 01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:07,350 >> I. 2039 01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:07,360 » I. 2040 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,790 >> Okay. So, 4 A. Um, do we have any raised 2041 01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:10,800 » Okay. So, 4 A. Um, do we have any raised 2042 01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:16,310 hands for general public comment? 2043 01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,400 There are four raised hands. 2044 01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,590 >> Okay. So, let's give them 30 seconds and 2045 01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:21,600 » Okay. So, let's give them 30 seconds and 2046 01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,960 then hold it at um and I have all my 4A 2047 01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,840 comments in. So, no more additional 4A 2048 01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:31,520 comments. Ann, you're starting us off. 2049 01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,000 Followed by Michelle Shane, followed by 2050 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:44,149 Mrs. Marissa Coughlin. 2051 01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:46,640 Hello, this is Ann Kamarasque. There's a 2052 01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,040 lot of floors in my world. 2053 01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:53,520 44,000 tickets, 444 estate news. Here we 2054 01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:58,560 are. And so, uh, this is a picture of a 2055 01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,560 radio at the Tower of Power of Santa 2056 01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,440 Monica. That's a handheld radio putting 2057 01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:05,679 out approximately four to five watts, 2058 01:16:05,679 --> 01:16:09,520 probably four watts. And I was able to 2059 01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,560 transmit all the way from Pasar Robless 2060 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,840 down to the Mexican border and to Las 2061 01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,480 Vegas with that radio. Both sides of the 2062 01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:22,640 hill. And I did copy uh Mr. Stewart, 2063 01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:24,480 Councilman Stewart. And Halen, you know 2064 01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:28,080 all about it. So I don't understand why 2065 01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,800 we don't make this a priority over these 2066 01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,640 other well ill thought out projects. 2067 01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,280 This one works. and we've been working 2068 01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,360 very hard. Uh can I please have a next 2069 01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:40,880 slide? 2070 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,120 This is a license and if you look 2071 01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:46,640 closely it says for the prevention of 2072 01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,120 it's for the firewatch for high fire 2073 01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,840 danger areas issued by the federal 2074 01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,880 communications commission. This license 2075 01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,159 is a gift to the city of Malibu, not the 2076 01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:00,400 government of Malibu, a nonprofit within 2077 01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,840 Malibu. Next, please. 2078 01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,800 This is where you can listen to any 2079 01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,520 radio transmission around the globe and 2080 01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:13,600 the universe from Malibu. It's Malibu 2081 01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,560 public safety on the scanner. And this 2082 01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,840 is available 24/7. So any communication 2083 01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:23,120 you make on this radio can be heard here 2084 01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:26,960 unencrypted in the clear. Next, please. 2085 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,840 This is a list of frequencies used by 2086 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,000 another community 50 miles away from 2087 01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,199 here. 2088 01:17:33,199 --> 01:17:35,840 This is their firewatch. They have never 2089 01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:39,600 burned unlike Malibu and the Palisades. 2090 01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,880 Why? Because they care. 2091 01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,440 So, next, please. 2092 01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:47,199 That's the last one. Oh, back to me, 2093 01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:52,400 please. So, uh me. 2094 01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,669 No, 2095 01:17:55,679 --> 01:17:57,440 » we can see you're there. 2096 01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:01,110 >> Hello, Ber. This is a radio. This is it. 2097 01:18:01,110 --> 01:18:01,120 » Hello, Ber. This is a radio. This is it. 2098 01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,080 I just communicated this morning on a 2099 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,719 similar radio from my bedroom, which is 2100 01:18:06,719 --> 01:18:09,520 what where do I live anyway? Uh, 2101 01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,280 Paradise Cove area, whatever. I don't 2102 01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,360 know what it is, but up there, I 2103 01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,560 transmitted on my other radio 50 miles 2104 01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,840 from here to the community 50 miles from 2105 01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:23,040 here on a handheld radio. So, it's kind 2106 01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:24,640 of why we're advocating to put something 2107 01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,760 up on Catalina. And uh, with all due 2108 01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:29,920 respect to the sheriff, 2109 01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,080 A handheld radio works just fine at the 2110 01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,480 Santa Monica College. To wait a year for 2111 01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:37,040 that is absurd. To have your tower 2112 01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,679 installed, you know, I support the 2113 01:18:39,679 --> 01:18:42,400 tower, but not where it's at, and it 2114 01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,569 kind of doesn't look too safe to me. 2115 01:18:44,569 --> 01:18:47,040 [snorts] 10 bolts holding it down. 2116 01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,760 Perhaps it should be revisited. But 2117 01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:51,199 thank you very much. 2118 01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:51,830 >> Thank you. 2119 01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:51,840 » Thank you. 2120 01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,910 >> Appreciate it. I'd like Michelle needs 2121 01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:53,920 » Appreciate it. I'd like Michelle needs 2122 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:54,880 to be changed. 2123 01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,430 >> Followed by Marissa, followed by Brian 2124 01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:57,440 » Followed by Marissa, followed by Brian 2125 01:18:57,440 --> 01:19:05,510 Merrick. 2126 01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,280 Happy new year. 2127 01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:08,790 >> Happy new year. 2128 01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:08,800 » Happy new year. 2129 01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,830 >> Good evening, city council. 2130 01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:11,840 » Good evening, city council. 2131 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,080 This city council has mandated a state 2132 01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:17,679 of emergency on PCH for over a year. 2133 01:19:17,679 --> 01:19:19,840 Tonight, I want to discuss how we can 2134 01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,320 actually end it. 2135 01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:24,719 The solution is straightforward. If you 2136 01:19:24,719 --> 01:19:28,080 speed on PCH, you lose your license. And 2137 01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,280 that's how we stop speeding. 2138 01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,080 On our PCH, law enforcement has issued 2139 01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:35,600 5,100 2140 01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:39,840 citations so far in 2025, 2141 01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:43,360 a 59% increase from 2023. 2142 01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,800 Across California in 2024, 2143 01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:50,640 18,000 drivers exceeded 100 miles an 2144 01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:52,239 hour. 2145 01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:55,440 They're choosing their thrills over our 2146 01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:57,040 lives. 2147 01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,600 Fines don't deter them only losing their 2148 01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,920 license do. 2149 01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,640 You're rolling your eyes and say this is 2150 01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:08,000 obvious. Come on, Michelle. We all know 2151 01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,040 this. How is this different? 2152 01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,360 We now have a blueprint. 2153 01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,719 The state's new fast pilot project uses 2154 01:20:16,719 --> 01:20:19,360 administrative action to send high-speed 2155 01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,159 tickets straight to the DMV for 2156 01:20:22,159 --> 01:20:25,760 immediate license review. Bypassing the 2157 01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,800 courts entirely. That's the key. 2158 01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,360 Administrative action. 2159 01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,640 No waiting for court dates, no delays, 2160 01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,760 swift certain consequences. 2161 01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,080 Here's my call. 2162 01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,560 Here's my call to action. Let's use our 2163 01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,760 influence in Sacramento to expand fast 2164 01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,000 for Malibu through administrative 2165 01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,920 action. If you go 25 miles per hour over 2166 01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:54,640 the speed limit on PCH or double the 2167 01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,120 speed limit, you'll be sub subject to 2168 01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:00,080 immediate DMV review. And if you speed 2169 01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,840 on PCH, you lose your license. 2170 01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:05,760 In 1955, 2171 01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,960 Connecticut did exactly this with 2172 01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,400 outcomes with automatic suspension. 2173 01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,360 Speeding dropped 53% 2174 01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,719 in one year. 2175 01:21:18,719 --> 01:21:21,360 We have the lobbyists. We have Senator 2176 01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:25,760 Ben Allen. We have the global spotlight. 2177 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:29,520 Let's stop just renewing an emergency 2178 01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:33,360 and lead the state out of one. If you 2179 01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:37,199 speed on PCH, you lose your license. And 2180 01:21:37,199 --> 01:21:42,480 that's the law we need to fight for. 2181 01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:47,189 >> Thank you, Marissa. Followed by Brian, 2182 01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:47,199 » Thank you, Marissa. Followed by Brian, 2183 01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:54,149 followed by Kevin Keegan. 2184 01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:56,400 » Happy New Year, members of the council. 2185 01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,080 Some good news. I'm going to add two 2186 01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,560 planning verifications approved today 2187 01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,040 for the fire array bills. and I was 2188 01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,040 successful in that. Um, something that 2189 01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,280 did occur to me after all the years of 2190 01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:10,239 community members here um, fighting for 2191 01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:12,400 the separation of the school district, 2192 01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,159 if there's anything that the council 2193 01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:17,199 could consider um, 2194 01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:19,520 implementing and expediting the rebuilds 2195 01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:21,360 only because that funds our school 2196 01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,520 district and we're going to have without 2197 01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,440 the tax base, we're going to have some 2198 01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:27,360 issues with that and some funding for 2199 01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:32,159 the council as well. Uh I'd like to uh 2200 01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:33,760 one of the issues that I'm dealing with 2201 01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:35,360 with some of the fiber mills. I was 2202 01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,040 fortunate I was invited to a meeting 2203 01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,360 with about 20 of the homeowners who live 2204 01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,719 in the like Oxnard and moved around and 2205 01:22:42,719 --> 01:22:44,320 they do have concerns and they have 2206 01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,239 concerns about some of the FEMA 2207 01:22:46,239 --> 01:22:48,159 regulations because they're either going 2208 01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:51,280 to have to have a breakaway garage or an 2209 01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,199 elevator to get to their front door. 2210 01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:54,639 Some of these people are in their 80s 2211 01:22:54,639 --> 01:22:58,080 and 90s and they just won't rebuild if 2212 01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,639 they have to do that. Uh the Palisades 2213 01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:03,199 fire did not Palisades did not lose any 2214 01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:06,080 houses on the beach. They were all on 2215 01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:07,679 inland. So that's the big difference 2216 01:23:07,679 --> 01:23:14,080 between our process and theirs. Um the u 2217 01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,159 oh the yeah the two BBs I told you about 2218 01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:18,400 the sports signs. And this is totally 2219 01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:20,560 off base. There was a sports sign for 2220 01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,960 two of our championships and it used to 2221 01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,280 be on by the bluff park and when they 2222 01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,080 built those homes on the south uh west 2223 01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,040 east corner, they took the sign down and 2224 01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:32,960 those of us that put those original the 2225 01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,400 original sign up would like to either 2226 01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,040 put it so it can be seen on PCH and 2227 01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,520 Malibu Canyon either on the park side or 2228 01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,320 in the uh easement setback the city 2229 01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:44,480 easement for the utilities there. So 2230 01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:45,679 I'll bring that to the planning 2231 01:23:45,679 --> 01:23:47,280 department such but I just want the 2232 01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:49,440 council to know about that. Um there 2233 01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:52,639 there is a lot of still misinformation 2234 01:23:52,639 --> 01:23:54,800 going around about what to do with the 2235 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,880 fire rebuilds, how to do it, and um I'm 2236 01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,040 going to talk to uh Director Bundy about 2237 01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:02,639 some of the things that were shared with 2238 01:24:02,639 --> 01:24:04,239 me in the meeting. And I think it's 2239 01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:07,199 things both she and Tyler Eaton can 2240 01:24:07,199 --> 01:24:09,120 handle, but I wanted to bring that to 2241 01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,120 the council's attention. And I'll 2242 01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:12,800 continue when I get more things. Thank 2243 01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:14,320 you. 2244 01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,709 >> Okay, Brian, followed by Kevin Keegan, 2245 01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:16,719 » Okay, Brian, followed by Kevin Keegan, 2246 01:24:16,719 --> 01:24:23,110 followed by Darren Graves. 2247 01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,520 Hello everybody. Um, appreciate the 2248 01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,199 opportunity. I'm going to try and fit in 2249 01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:29,120 three minutes what our experience has 2250 01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,440 been so far working through the process 2251 01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:34,080 to get the permit. And we are one of the 2252 01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:35,760 first on the beach to get the permit. 2253 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,600 So, we're kind of like a guinea pig and 2254 01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:38,880 I'm going to tell you what went right 2255 01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,920 and what went wrong. So, um, or at least 2256 01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:42,960 perceived. Now, some of these things 2257 01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:46,239 have changed because of what Bun Yolanda 2258 01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:49,040 had said um about the uh changing of the 2259 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:50,960 guard, but the PV process for the most 2260 01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,520 part, it worked really smoothly. Um we 2261 01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:57,440 had a 1930s house with zero plans, zero 2262 01:24:57,440 --> 01:24:59,360 anything. So, we were starting from 2263 01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,280 scratch. We literally started on January 2264 01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:02,960 8th, hired our architect, and moved 2265 01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,520 forward. So, um, if things are presented 2266 01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:06,960 in a clear manner in a thorough 2267 01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:08,960 demonstration, they're they're able to 2268 01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:10,719 make their thing, you know, they're able 2269 01:25:10,719 --> 01:25:12,080 to make their determinations as to what 2270 01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:13,520 was there and what what's good for us. 2271 01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,440 So, it worked real well. It bogged down 2272 01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:17,360 in coastal engineering with someone 2273 01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,280 named Miss Doyle who was very 2274 01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,239 problematic. Um, at and we ended up 2275 01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:25,840 being for uh 38 business days in coastal 2276 01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,440 plan before we ever got a response from 2277 01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:30,239 any submitt. And this was during PV. So 2278 01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:32,800 um and she to our face told us that she 2279 01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,000 would have an answer by the afternoon 2280 01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:35,679 only to go days without answering. 2281 01:25:35,679 --> 01:25:37,920 Finally I sought help from some council 2282 01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:41,280 and Yolanda and it it changed. Um so 2283 01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,840 then we move into the R RDP where once 2284 01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:45,360 again it was fairly quick you know as 2285 01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:46,400 long as you have your information 2286 01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,080 together and you get it out to them. I 2287 01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,480 mean I think we had very few corrections 2288 01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:52,880 but again this time it was environmental 2289 01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:54,800 health and coastal engineering which I 2290 01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:56,960 think is the same person miss Doyle that 2291 01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,440 was 30 business days and again had to 2292 01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:01,520 seek help from Yolanda and the council 2293 01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,960 to get to get them to respond to us. So 2294 01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:06,719 I don't know which number I am on that 2295 01:26:06,719 --> 01:26:08,320 thing because we don't we have a 2296 01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:11,520 building permit but we don't have a 2297 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,360 permit for the septic or the seaw wall. 2298 01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:14,960 So I don't think we're fully permitted. 2299 01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:16,560 So we're maybe one of those other 2300 01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:20,000 numbers. Um, we do have a bill for the 2301 01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,480 septic, a permit bill. So, maybe we're 2302 01:26:22,480 --> 01:26:24,639 done with septic now. Um, but we don't 2303 01:26:24,639 --> 01:26:26,880 know. Um, the seaw wall, the seaw wall 2304 01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,920 is crazy because we started out working 2305 01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:31,280 with our neighbor and they were all for 2306 01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:32,800 it and then they sold to the New Zealand 2307 01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,360 toy makers. So, we're out of luck and 2308 01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,040 we're also an end property where we're 2309 01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:38,880 the last house that burns. So, we 2310 01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:40,800 literally have to build a box. We're 2311 01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:44,400 being told that uh by our coastal um 2312 01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,920 design guy it's 8,000 to 10,000 a foot 2313 01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,400 for a seaw wall and we got 360 ft 2314 01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,400 because we have to build a box. So now 2315 01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,000 we're we're sitting and from what I 2316 01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,159 understand maybe Rob can answer this but 2317 01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:59,440 we're in where um uh the municipal code 2318 01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:03,040 calls for a variance for a seaw wall 2319 01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:06,080 that's up against PCH and CALR is 2320 01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,320 seeking that. So, we're hung up in 2321 01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:09,760 public works and we've been there since 2322 01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:12,880 December 4th when we submitted. Um, we 2323 01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,280 resisted these toy guys, but um, you 2324 01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,040 know, unfortunately insurance isn't 2325 01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:18,480 going to come close to covering what 2326 01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:20,960 it's going to cost us to rebuild. Lloyds 2327 01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,679 of London given us 11,000 for a seaw 2328 01:27:23,679 --> 01:27:27,440 wall, not foot, 11,000. So, um, you 2329 01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:29,280 know, our seaw wall is going to be 3.2 2330 01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:30,560 million. Thank you, Brian. 2331 01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,430 >> So, yeah. But, I mean, it kind of fits 2332 01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:33,440 » So, yeah. But, I mean, it kind of fits 2333 01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:34,800 in, but it's definitely going to change 2334 01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:40,229 the demographics. 2335 01:27:40,239 --> 01:27:42,880 Kevin, uh, followed by Darren, followed 2336 01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:44,950 by Scott Jer. 2337 01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:47,430 [clears throat] 2338 01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:50,000 I'm Kevin Keegan. Technology 2339 01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:51,760 advancement, individual rights, and 2340 01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:53,920 public health are important issues for 2341 01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,080 the Malibu community that I believe need 2342 01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:59,120 thoughtful attention in 2026. For 2343 01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,600 example, a front page headline in the 2344 01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,840 Malibu Times on Christmas Day shared, 2345 01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,000 quote, "Study finds lasting health 2346 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,080 impacts from Palisades fire." Close 2347 01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:09,920 quote. With a sub headline that 2348 01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,320 explained, quote, "New research reveals 2349 01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:15,679 prolonged health u heart, lung, and 2350 01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:17,920 systemic health effects for Malibu 2351 01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,000 residents." Close quote. Back on 2352 01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,679 November 10th, I pointed out that the 2353 01:28:21,679 --> 01:28:23,760 city missed an opportunity to emphasize 2354 01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:25,600 public health in the city's current 2355 01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,600 strategic plan. In the wake of a 2356 01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,320 pandemic and in historic wildfires, it 2357 01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:31,920 is a potential mistake to overlook 2358 01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,000 public health as that Christmas Day 2359 01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:37,199 headline suggests. Furthermore, 2360 01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:39,040 a shortcoming in the city's strategic 2361 01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,280 plan is the lack of a serious technology 2362 01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,760 investment or point of view being 2363 01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:45,920 offered by the council. As I've said 2364 01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,080 here on December 8th, the future has 2365 01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,960 arrived. AI, robots, autonomous 2366 01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:52,960 vehicles, and more are all advancing 2367 01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:56,000 rapidly. With some for foresight and 2368 01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:57,679 initiative, Malibu can preserve its 2369 01:28:57,679 --> 01:28:59,840 rural character and rehabilitate our 2370 01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:02,480 local economy by embracing emerging 2371 01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:04,960 technologies of our future. Just as 2372 01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:07,679 important, by taking action in 2026, the 2373 01:29:07,679 --> 01:29:09,440 city of Malibu can help strengthen its 2374 01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:11,360 cyber defenses and our individual 2375 01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,600 rights, such as the right to privacy, 2376 01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:15,600 which I believe is a founding value of 2377 01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,560 Malibu's community and culture. A place 2378 01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,320 to begin is to have a serious public 2379 01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,719 discussion about what is reasonable. For 2380 01:29:22,719 --> 01:29:25,040 example, what is reasonable regarding 2381 01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,440 what decision an algorithm gets to make 2382 01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:29,840 versus what decisions our council, city 2383 01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,080 staff, businesses, and community members 2384 01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:33,920 get to make? What is reasonable 2385 01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,080 regarding collection and protection of a 2386 01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:38,080 citizen's personal data? What is 2387 01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:39,520 reasonable regarding the number of 2388 01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:42,080 cameras recording a city citizen's daily 2389 01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,400 whereabouts? Surveillance, tracking, 2390 01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,560 monitoring, and profiling are 2391 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,960 infiltrating society and communities 2392 01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,600 without serious public debate. To put a 2393 01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,199 fine point on it, cameras are 2394 01:29:53,199 --> 01:29:56,400 proliferating at breakneck pace in cars, 2395 01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:59,040 kitchens, front doors, phones, drones, 2396 01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,600 and more. More more Moreover, in my 2397 01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,600 opinion, AI and surveillance 2398 01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:05,600 capabilities are better and more 2399 01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,159 powerful than anyone in this room fully 2400 01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:11,120 understands. Simultaneously, new law 2401 01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:14,000 enforcement techniques like geo fencing 2402 01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,320 take advantage of legal gray areas that 2403 01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:19,440 erode individual citizens human rights, 2404 01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:20,880 including our fourth amendment 2405 01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,440 protections. We need serious advocates 2406 01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:25,600 who understand what is happening and are 2407 01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,840 willing to lead with courage. The future 2408 01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,159 has arrived and if we do not do not 2409 01:30:30,159 --> 01:30:32,880 answer those questions ourselves then 2410 01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,199 others will answer the questions for us. 2411 01:30:35,199 --> 01:30:37,600 2026 offers a critical window of 2412 01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,920 opportunity in Malibu for debate and 2413 01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,080 action. Thank you. 2414 01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:43,750 >> Thank you. 2415 01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:43,760 » Thank you. 2416 01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:44,790 >> Thank [clears throat] you Darren 2417 01:30:44,790 --> 01:30:44,800 » Thank [clears throat] you Darren 2418 01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:56,870 followed by Scott followed by Marilame. 2419 01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,040 Uh good evening and happy new year uh 2420 01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:01,280 honorable mayor, city council members, 2421 01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:02,880 interim city manager. Uh 2422 01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,560 congratulations. 2423 01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,520 Um so I wanted to start off by thanking 2424 01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:09,280 you once again for all the strides you 2425 01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:11,440 made last year um helping the rebuilding 2426 01:31:11,440 --> 01:31:13,920 community. I have a slide that I want to 2427 01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:15,760 share with you and it is in regards to 2428 01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:18,639 what um Brian, I think his name is, was 2429 01:31:18,639 --> 01:31:21,920 talking about. So this is uh from the 2430 01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:23,679 approved planning verification for my 2431 01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:25,760 family's property. It is a drawing that 2432 01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:29,280 describes three things. Uh the upper 2433 01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,440 left drawing is the existing septic 2434 01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:33,520 system. The two drawings in the middle 2435 01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:36,239 on the upper line are affordable septic 2436 01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:39,120 replacement systems and the drawing on 2437 01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:41,920 the far right on the upper side is the 2438 01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:44,960 OW or the AOTS and shoreline protective 2439 01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,199 device which was recommended by Mrs. 2440 01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:49,520 Doyle of Cotton Shireers starting in 2441 01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:52,719 February of last year. So per the seven 2442 01:31:52,719 --> 01:31:56,480 or the $10,000 linear foot cost uh to 2443 01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:58,320 build that shoreline protective device, 2444 01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:00,560 it would have cost my family upwards of 2445 01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:03,040 $800,000 just for the shoreline 2446 01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:04,560 protective device. So I wanted to extend 2447 01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:07,440 a very big thank you to everybody who 2448 01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:09,760 made the effort to allow us to follow 2449 01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:12,000 the provisions of the lamp and release 2450 01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:14,880 the December 8th memo. Um, this has a 2451 01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:16,960 huge effect on the beachfront homeowners 2452 01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,440 who are rebuilding and everybody should 2453 01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:21,280 have the ability if they don't add 2454 01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:25,199 plumbing fixtures to save 800 grand or 2455 01:32:25,199 --> 01:32:26,960 more. This is one of the smallest 2456 01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:28,800 properties, so everybody else would have 2457 01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,920 to pay a lot more. Um, so thank you. 2458 01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:35,120 Also, in regards to I guess making 2459 01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:38,880 things easier for the city staff, um I 2460 01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:40,960 would suggest moving back towards the 2461 01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:44,080 electronic plan review uh process 2462 01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:46,320 because such a process would eliminate 2463 01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:48,159 the communication hiccups which are 2464 01:32:48,159 --> 01:32:50,400 still present. I say that because in my 2465 01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:52,080 planning verification which I submitted 2466 01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:54,639 on December 1st, I got one comment from 2467 01:32:54,639 --> 01:32:58,000 Bureau Veritoss. It took them 10 days to 2468 01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,000 issue the comment. I addressed it within 2469 01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,320 one business day. Then it took them four 2470 01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:04,159 days to have one question about the 2471 01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:06,239 comment. They didn't ask me anything, 2472 01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:08,400 but they emailed darrend 2473 01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:10,320 doiciledesigns.com 2474 01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,639 the email, which was a question. Well, I 2475 01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:14,400 don't work there, so I didn't get the 2476 01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,440 email until 3 days later and then I 2477 01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:19,280 addressed it and I got an approval the 2478 01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,239 next day. Um, so hiccups like that would 2479 01:33:22,239 --> 01:33:24,400 be eliminated by electronic plan review. 2480 01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:25,840 That's why I would suggest moving back 2481 01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:27,600 towards that model if you could. Thank 2482 01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:30,000 you, 2483 01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,950 >> Derek. I'm gonna want a clarification on 2484 01:33:32,950 --> 01:33:32,960 » Derek. I'm gonna want a clarification on 2485 01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:34,880 the comment you made. So, just make sure 2486 01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,360 we talk. Okay. [laughter] 2487 01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,669 >> Uh Scott 2488 01:33:39,669 --> 01:33:39,679 » Uh Scott 2489 01:33:39,679 --> 01:33:52,310 and our final in person is Mel May. 2490 01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,719 » Thank you. I was just checking because 2491 01:33:54,719 --> 01:33:57,840 uh really this would come from Sawa but 2492 01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:03,040 uh she's in Dubai. Um and happy new 2493 01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:06,820 year. Congratulations Rob. Um, 2494 01:34:06,820 --> 01:34:07,440 [clears throat] 2495 01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:12,080 so Saul was in contact with our assessor 2496 01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:14,800 LA County Dennis Pring 2497 01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:18,400 who has been trying to revise 2498 01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:22,159 how much these rebuild disasters the 2499 01:34:22,159 --> 01:34:26,960 victims get taxed very much favorable to 2500 01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:30,960 us. He tried to get uh legislation 2501 01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:33,679 that didn't go through. So, he's made an 2502 01:34:33,679 --> 01:34:39,280 executive decision to try to cut how 2503 01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,320 much we're going to assess these burned 2504 01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:44,960 out lots. And that's going to be very 2505 01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:49,600 favorable to us as residents, those who 2506 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,760 can't live back in. I mean, there's 2507 01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:53,280 nothing worse. You're paying this huge 2508 01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:57,920 tax on a place that's a disaster that 2509 01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,639 you can't live in. And then you start 2510 01:35:00,639 --> 01:35:04,719 adding in all the cost of, oh, I've got 2511 01:35:04,719 --> 01:35:08,239 to pay the mortgage and I've got to pay 2512 01:35:08,239 --> 01:35:11,040 this astronomical tax that doesn't make 2513 01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:14,159 sense anymore. So, you know, that's kind 2514 01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:16,880 of a good note in a very difficult 2515 01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:20,239 situation. and we wanted, you know, the 2516 01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:23,040 city and you guys to know about that. 2517 01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:24,560 Thank you. 2518 01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:30,790 >> Thank you, Merryill. 2519 01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:32,239 » Hello and good evening. Thank you for 2520 01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:34,880 your time. Um, I wanted to bring up a 2521 01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:36,960 few safety things which you probably all 2522 01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:38,639 are aware of because you get my emails, 2523 01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:41,679 but I wanted to publicly come here. The 2524 01:35:41,679 --> 01:35:44,960 situation at Corral Canyon is 2525 01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:46,480 disastrous. 2526 01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:50,000 the center dividers, channelizers. Uh I 2527 01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,080 think there's one up about four from the 2528 01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:56,400 end, 15 to 20 down. That is a very bad 2529 01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:57,840 percentage. The last time I was 2530 01:35:57,840 --> 01:35:59,600 successful getting those channelizers 2531 01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,520 replaced was about on the 29th when I 2532 01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,920 had to appeal suggesting that maybe 2533 01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,560 Santa Claus and the elves come and help. 2534 01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:09,199 When I made that email, it was fixed in 2535 01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:11,520 three days. Again, it is the worst 2536 01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:18,390 condition it has ever been at right now. 2537 01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:20,480 Mr. Silverstein, you have a creative 2538 01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:23,280 mind with legal perspective. I don't 2539 01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,480 know if there's any way to hold CALR or 2540 01:36:26,480 --> 01:36:29,520 the contractor accountable for a 2541 01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:31,760 horrendous safety condition which exists 2542 01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,159 down there right now. 2543 01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:36,159 Maybe there's a penalty. Maybe if they 2544 01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:37,600 don't fix it within a certain amount of 2545 01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:41,040 time, we can take it and do it. But 2546 01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:42,560 everybody that travels through there 2547 01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:44,719 right now, I I I'm amazed that we 2548 01:36:44,719 --> 01:36:46,080 haven't had a head-on collision in a 2549 01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,320 fatality. I mean, everybody speeds the 2550 01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:50,400 rough maybe the road is so rough. It 2551 01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:53,119 might be a strategy to have a rough road 2552 01:36:53,119 --> 01:36:55,600 to get people to go slower. I mean, 2553 01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:57,760 there were some holes that were gigantic 2554 01:36:57,760 --> 01:36:59,119 the other day. I had several people 2555 01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:01,440 complain to me about it. Okay, crosswalk 2556 01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:03,440 awareness. So, that's one. Crosswalk 2557 01:37:03,440 --> 01:37:05,119 awareness. I almost got hit twice 2558 01:37:05,119 --> 01:37:06,960 crossing at Zumearez in the crosswalk 2559 01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:08,800 when the light was on. people turning 2560 01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,679 out of Zoomerz, not seeing me. I'm 2561 01:37:11,679 --> 01:37:13,119 standing in the crosswalk raising my 2562 01:37:13,119 --> 01:37:15,360 hands. My neighbor got hit three weeks 2563 01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:17,360 before that in the hospital for a while 2564 01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,440 now going through rehab. We've made some 2565 01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:21,199 headway with our crosswalks in towns. 2566 01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:22,960 I've also submitted some emails about 2567 01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:24,719 some enhancements for that with 2568 01:37:24,719 --> 01:37:27,119 pictures. The Zuma underpass, when 2569 01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:30,400 that's closed, it makes PCH more 2570 01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:33,280 dangerous. People back up to Paradise 2571 01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:34,880 Cove in the summertime when we can't use 2572 01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,040 that underpass. I don't know how many 2573 01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:39,760 geographical acres there are above that 2574 01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,000 Zoomer underpass where water comes 2575 01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,000 through there. Little sand and debris 2576 01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:45,679 goes onto the concrete and then we can't 2577 01:37:45,679 --> 01:37:48,159 clear it, putting everybody at risk on 2578 01:37:48,159 --> 01:37:50,800 PCH. There is some progress on that, I 2579 01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:53,119 understand, but I think there needs to 2580 01:37:53,119 --> 01:37:55,679 be better um water storage tanks, 2581 01:37:55,679 --> 01:37:57,199 allowing people to use water storage 2582 01:37:57,199 --> 01:37:58,639 tanks so that we have more water 2583 01:37:58,639 --> 01:38:00,800 storage. I know that we were working on 2584 01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:02,560 that. I don't know if the supervisors 2585 01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,960 have signed off on it yet. potholes, 2586 01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,440 patches, cracks, please. That has to be 2587 01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:11,040 better. Um, I appeal to everybody 2588 01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:13,920 residents that come here or that live 2589 01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:15,920 here, when you see a problem on PCH, 2590 01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:18,960 safety-wise, potholes, traffic hazards, 2591 01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:20,639 reported to public works. I'm sorry, 2592 01:38:20,639 --> 01:38:22,320 public works, but they'll report it to 2593 01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:23,840 CALR. 2594 01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:26,639 You can also report it to CALR. 2595 01:38:26,639 --> 01:38:29,119 um home hardening things. Please do 2596 01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:30,960 brush clearance and incorporate home 2597 01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:33,119 hardening into your so that we don't 2598 01:38:33,119 --> 01:38:35,040 have to rebuild homes in the future. 2599 01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:35,830 >> Thank you. 2600 01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:35,840 » Thank you. 2601 01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:37,189 >> Thank you. 2602 01:38:37,189 --> 01:38:37,199 » Thank you. 2603 01:38:37,199 --> 01:38:39,669 >> Do we still have four raised hands? 2604 01:38:39,669 --> 01:38:39,679 » Do we still have four raised hands? 2605 01:38:39,679 --> 01:38:43,510 >> Yes. First is Nick Corey. 2606 01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:43,520 » Yes. First is Nick Corey. 2607 01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:46,149 >> Nick, are you there? 2608 01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:46,159 » Nick, are you there? 2609 01:38:46,159 --> 01:38:47,750 >> Yes, I'm here. Can you hear me? Okay. 2610 01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:47,760 » Yes, I'm here. Can you hear me? Okay. 2611 01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:49,510 >> Yes, please go ahead. 2612 01:38:49,510 --> 01:38:49,520 » Yes, please go ahead. 2613 01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:51,830 >> Wonderful. Thank you. Uh so, good 2614 01:38:51,830 --> 01:38:51,840 » Wonderful. Thank you. Uh so, good 2615 01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:54,719 evening everyone. Um, you I'd really 2616 01:38:54,719 --> 01:38:57,600 like to take this opportunity to address 2617 01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:00,560 my good buddy Steve Yuring. 2618 01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:04,719 Stevie, it has been 543 days since your 2619 01:39:04,719 --> 01:39:07,280 property was cited for building without 2620 01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:09,280 a permit. 2621 01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:12,629 543. 2622 01:39:12,639 --> 01:39:15,840 That's almost 78 weeks, my man. 2623 01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,080 For most people in Malibu, a violation 2624 01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:19,920 like that triggers threatening letters 2625 01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,400 from the city attorney, mounting legal 2626 01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:25,760 fees, repeated inspections, and a long 2627 01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:27,520 chilling effect on their lives and 2628 01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:29,119 homes. 2629 01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:32,239 This message is usually loud and clear. 2630 01:39:32,239 --> 01:39:35,920 Comply immediately or else. But not for 2631 01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:38,960 you, my friend, because it must be nice 2632 01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:41,600 being a city council member. Must be 2633 01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:45,280 nice being a former NTC presidente and 2634 01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:47,119 it must be nice living under a different 2635 01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:49,840 set of rules. You can build without 2636 01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:54,400 permits. You can put up illegal fencing. 2637 01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,639 You can place storage sheds right on the 2638 01:39:56,639 --> 01:39:58,960 property line with whatever you want 2639 01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:02,480 inside of them. And somehow enforcement 2640 01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:04,880 never seems to arrive. 2641 01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:06,639 Meanwhile, you spend your time making 2642 01:40:06,639 --> 01:40:08,719 sure the rest of Malibu doesn't get what 2643 01:40:08,719 --> 01:40:12,400 it wants or needs. You delay projects. 2644 01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:14,560 You obstruct solutions. 2645 01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:18,080 You scrutinize everyone else while your 2646 01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:20,639 own violations sit untouched for nearly 2647 01:40:20,639 --> 01:40:23,119 a year and a half. Let me let me go back 2648 01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:25,760 and remind you. 543 2649 01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:28,000 days. 2650 01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,800 That doesn't happen by accident, Steve. 2651 01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:32,800 It happens because the system is being 2652 01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:35,760 bent to protect insiders. 2653 01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:37,760 It happens because connections matter 2654 01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,480 more than compliance. And it happens 2655 01:40:40,480 --> 01:40:42,960 because accountability in this city 2656 01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:45,760 appears to depend on who you are, not 2657 01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:49,280 what you've done. The result is two very 2658 01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:51,280 different Malibus. 2659 01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:53,600 One where ordinary residents face 2660 01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:56,639 immediate threats, legal costs, and 2661 01:40:56,639 --> 01:40:58,159 fear. 2662 01:40:58,159 --> 01:41:00,880 And another where powerful people can 2663 01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:03,520 ignore the rules indefinitely, confident 2664 01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:06,560 that nothing will happen. 2665 01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:08,239 543 2666 01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:11,840 days without resolution. 2667 01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:18,870 78 weeks without consequences. 2668 01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:21,199 This makes a mockery of fair 2669 01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:24,400 enforcement. So yes, Steve, it really is 2670 01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:30,149 good to be you. Thanks. 2671 01:41:30,159 --> 01:41:32,880 » Next speaker, 2672 01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:33,679 [clears throat] 2673 01:41:33,679 --> 01:41:35,990 >> Gary Harkness. 2674 01:41:35,990 --> 01:41:36,000 » Gary Harkness. 2675 01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:38,239 Gary, are you there? 2676 01:41:38,239 --> 01:41:41,270 >> Yeah, I'm here. Thank you. Um, I just 2677 01:41:41,270 --> 01:41:41,280 » Yeah, I'm here. Thank you. Um, I just 2678 01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,960 want to make a comment about um what I 2679 01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:49,360 believe the uh MTC would do if uh 2680 01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:51,600 Michelle Shane's idea were uh taken up 2681 01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:53,280 and they would probably fight it just 2682 01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:55,199 like they did the PCH safety 2683 01:41:55,199 --> 01:41:56,719 improvements. 2684 01:41:56,719 --> 01:41:58,960 But um 2685 01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:00,800 just generally I want to talk about the 2686 01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:02,159 fact that this isn't an attack on 2687 01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:04,320 Malibu's history or on residents who 2688 01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:06,639 have volunteered their time out of real 2689 01:42:06,639 --> 01:42:09,199 concern for this community. The question 2690 01:42:09,199 --> 01:42:11,040 that I have is much more simpler than 2691 01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:13,440 that and that is whether the Malibu 2692 01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:16,159 Township Council is a legitimate public 2693 01:42:16,159 --> 01:42:19,199 civic organization today. And I would 2694 01:42:19,199 --> 01:42:22,159 argue it isn't. The MTC was created in 2695 01:42:22,159 --> 01:42:24,080 1947, 2696 01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:26,560 uh, long before Malibu was a city. At 2697 01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:28,400 that time, it served a real purpose. 2698 01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:30,639 There was no local government, no 2699 01:42:30,639 --> 01:42:33,040 elected council, and no local voice. 2700 01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:34,800 Township council helped fill that gap, 2701 01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:36,560 and in doing so played an important role 2702 01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:40,239 in Malibu's early history. But that role 2703 01:42:40,239 --> 01:42:42,880 ended in 1991 when Malibu incorporated. 2704 01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:45,280 We now have an elected city council, 2705 01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:47,840 public commissions, open meeting laws, 2706 01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:49,040 financial disclosures, and 2707 01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:50,560 accountability to every voter in the 2708 01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:53,600 city. Those are the institutions meant 2709 01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:56,320 to govern Malibu. The MTC, however, did 2710 01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:58,960 not step aside. It continued on as a 2711 01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:01,040 private organization, one that is not 2712 01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:03,600 elected, not representative of full 2713 01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:05,679 community, not subject to public 2714 01:43:05,679 --> 01:43:07,520 transparency laws, and not accountable 2715 01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:10,560 to voters. Membership is selective and 2716 01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:13,280 participation depends on paying dues. By 2717 01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:15,280 definition, that is not a public civic 2718 01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:18,320 body. Yet, the MTC regularly portrays 2719 01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:21,920 itself as speaking for Malibu as a whole 2720 01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:24,080 while filing appeals, initiating 2721 01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:26,719 lawsuits, and forcing costly delays to 2722 01:43:26,719 --> 01:43:28,320 projects approved through public 2723 01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:30,320 process. Those costs are paid by the 2724 01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:32,639 city and its residents, not by the 2725 01:43:32,639 --> 01:43:35,360 organization imposing them. That creates 2726 01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:38,239 a serious imbalance. A small private 2727 01:43:38,239 --> 01:43:40,239 group is able to stall or block public 2728 01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:41,840 decisions without having to answer to 2729 01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:44,080 the public without having to run for 2730 01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,480 office or operate in the open. That 2731 01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:48,560 isn't how democratic decision-making is 2732 01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:50,960 supposed to work. Advocacy is not the 2733 01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:52,960 issue. Any group has the right to 2734 01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:56,080 organize, lobby, and even litigate. But 2735 01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:58,159 advocacy groups need to be honest about 2736 01:43:58,159 --> 01:44:00,800 what and who they are. The MTC is not a 2737 01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:02,159 governing body, and it does not 2738 01:44:02,159 --> 01:44:04,800 represent Malibu as a whole. If we care 2739 01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:06,800 about Mal Malibu's future, which I think 2740 01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:08,800 we all do, we should be strengthening 2741 01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,040 our elected institutions, not allowing 2742 01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:13,679 private organizations to operate as a 2743 01:44:13,679 --> 01:44:15,920 second layer of authority without public 2744 01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:18,159 accountability. Thank you so much. I 2745 01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:19,920 also want to say, Mayor, thank you. 2746 01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:21,199 You've been doing a really great job 2747 01:44:21,199 --> 01:44:22,560 running this meeting since you've taken 2748 01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:26,080 the gavl and I appreciate it. 2749 01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:31,189 Okay, our next speaker, 2750 01:44:31,199 --> 01:44:33,760 » CC Lee. 2751 01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:42,390 >> CeCe, are you there? 2752 01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:44,639 » Hey everybody. 2753 01:44:44,639 --> 01:44:46,639 Hi everybody. Can you hear me? 2754 01:44:46,639 --> 01:44:49,750 >> Yes, we can hear you. Go ahead. 2755 01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:49,760 » Yes, we can hear you. Go ahead. 2756 01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:51,669 >> Okay. 2757 01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:51,679 » Okay. 2758 01:44:51,679 --> 01:44:53,440 I want to I want to begin by 2759 01:44:53,440 --> 01:44:55,199 acknowledging that the city of Malibu 2760 01:44:55,199 --> 01:44:56,800 conducted a thor a thorough and 2761 01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:58,320 professional evaluation of the two 2762 01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:01,840 Norfolk Island pine trees at Cross Creek 2763 01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:03,920 uh road. The city engaged in certified 2764 01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:05,679 experts documenting its findings held 2765 01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:07,360 public meeting. I do not dispute the 2766 01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,119 significant time, effort, and resources 2767 01:45:09,119 --> 01:45:11,199 were dedicated to assessing these trees. 2768 01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:13,119 Nor do I deny the safety considerations 2769 01:45:13,119 --> 01:45:14,639 were raised. However, my concern is not 2770 01:45:14,639 --> 01:45:16,159 with the thoughtfulness of the process. 2771 01:45:16,159 --> 01:45:18,320 It's the direction, balance, and timing. 2772 01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:21,360 You crackies. At every stage, the city's 2773 01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:22,960 effort appeared to have been focused on 2774 01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:25,119 building a case for why the tree should 2775 01:45:25,119 --> 01:45:27,440 be removed rather than devoting equal 2776 01:45:27,440 --> 01:45:30,000 effort to exploring how the tree, the 2777 01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:32,320 longestablished habitat that supported 2778 01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:34,159 could be preserved. There was no 2779 01:45:34,159 --> 01:45:35,600 meaningful discussion of treatment 2780 01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:38,080 options, structural mitigation, 2781 01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:39,520 selective pruning, or long-term 2782 01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:40,880 management strategies that could have 2783 01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:42,320 reduced the risk while keeping these 2784 01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:44,159 trees standing. Instead, the trees 2785 01:45:44,159 --> 01:45:45,760 themselves were broadly labeled as 2786 01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:47,520 unsafe. First of all, if anyone see a 2787 01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:49,600 Norfolk pine tree branch, they're really 2788 01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:51,040 lightweight. They're like a feather. I 2789 01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:52,960 have a house in Texas where I have golf 2790 01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:54,400 balls swinging harder than the the 2791 01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:56,320 branches would ever fall. First of all, 2792 01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:58,800 they're not an oak tree. This is 2793 01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:00,719 troubling because by logic, virtually 2794 01:46:00,719 --> 01:46:02,719 every mature tree in Malibu could be 2795 01:46:02,719 --> 01:46:05,119 deemed as liable. When are we liable for 2796 01:46:05,119 --> 01:46:08,000 people's luck? It's more you're more 2797 01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:09,440 likely to die of lightning striking than 2798 01:46:09,440 --> 01:46:10,960 a tree branch falling you. And I, you 2799 01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:12,480 know, I apologize. I have hearts for 2800 01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:13,920 those people. But an oak tree is very 2801 01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:16,080 much different than a norol pine which 2802 01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,159 touches the gates of heaven. All trees 2803 01:46:18,159 --> 01:46:20,400 have been all trees have dead branches. 2804 01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:21,760 All trees require maintenance. The 2805 01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:23,440 standard response in the urban forestry 2806 01:46:23,440 --> 01:46:25,280 is not wholesale removal but risk 2807 01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:27,360 management, pruning, monitoring and 2808 01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:29,280 targeting mitigations in cases rather 2809 01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:31,920 than removing specific hazards. The city 2810 01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,800 treated the trees as a legal exposure to 2811 01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:36,560 eliminate it altogether. Equally 2812 01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:38,000 concerning is a lack of effort to 2813 01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:39,600 preserve or transition the wildlife 2814 01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:41,760 habitat that existed in these trees for 2815 01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:44,159 nearly for years. No planning was 2816 01:46:44,159 --> 01:46:46,480 presented to relocate or phase the 2817 01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:48,960 existence nesting activity. No treatment 2818 01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:51,520 stabilization or any of this proposed. 2819 01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:53,440 What I'm saying is let's get this tree 2820 01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:56,320 back. There's plenty off the 405 in the 2821 01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:58,880 101. It's a nor pine. It's the trees the 2822 01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:01,040 birds like. If you've ever tent camped, 2823 01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:02,960 you don't want the trees to move. We 2824 01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:04,960 want these trees back there because it 2825 01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:06,960 gives these kids a 20 second break from 2826 01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:08,800 their cell phone. We've already taken 2827 01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:10,719 all the joys and pleasures out of every 2828 01:47:10,719 --> 01:47:12,239 other existence of their lives and 2829 01:47:12,239 --> 01:47:14,560 forced them on technology that they 2830 01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:17,360 can't even eat. But we're over here 2831 01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:19,760 saying that it's okay to put a bay leaf 2832 01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:21,760 back into a native society. None of that 2833 01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:23,440 place is native. Okay? You're not going 2834 01:47:23,440 --> 01:47:25,119 to win with this one. We would like the 2835 01:47:25,119 --> 01:47:27,040 birds back in underneath the underneath 2836 01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:29,040 the same North Folk pine trees. Let's 2837 01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:31,679 add a waterfall because I have the exact 2838 01:47:31,679 --> 01:47:33,920 same structure at my place with the 2839 01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:35,360 waterfall. It would have cleaned the 2840 01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:37,520 poo. And let's put the trees back for 2841 01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:39,440 those amazing birds that are immigrants 2842 01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:42,080 to our city. And we want those back. We 2843 01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:43,679 do not want to become the land of the 2844 01:47:43,679 --> 01:47:45,440 pigeons and rats and mosquitoes. And 2845 01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:47,040 please ask everybody to turn off their 2846 01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:49,440 lights. It's basic common knowledge and 2847 01:47:49,440 --> 01:47:52,480 how a mosquito thing works. Please, 2848 01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:54,239 please, let's enforce these dark sky 2849 01:47:54,239 --> 01:47:54,800 ordinances. 2850 01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:57,030 >> Thank you very much. And our final 2851 01:47:57,030 --> 01:47:57,040 » Thank you very much. And our final 2852 01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:59,760 online speaker, 2853 01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:01,510 >> Joe Drummond. 2854 01:48:01,510 --> 01:48:01,520 » Joe Drummond. 2855 01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:05,270 >> Joe, are you there? 2856 01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:06,560 » Hi. Can you hear me? 2857 01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:08,550 >> Yes, we can. 2858 01:48:08,550 --> 01:48:08,560 » Yes, we can. 2859 01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:10,310 >> Mayor and council members and interim 2860 01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:10,320 » Mayor and council members and interim 2861 01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:12,400 city manager Dau. I'm speaking this 2862 01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:14,400 morning from India following the painful 2863 01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:17,280 anniversary of the Palisades fire, a 2864 01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:18,800 fire that destroyed my home and the 2865 01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:21,119 homes of 170 of my Big Rock neighbors 2866 01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:23,119 along with nearly 600 members of our 2867 01:48:23,119 --> 01:48:25,040 broader Malibu community. We hope this 2868 01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:26,960 year brings healing and progress for us 2869 01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:29,119 all. In our neighborhood, we also lost 2870 01:48:29,119 --> 01:48:31,920 two lives, Hack Wong and Betty Omira. 2871 01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:33,520 Their deaths are a solemn reminder that 2872 01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:35,199 this is not just about buildings. It's 2873 01:48:35,199 --> 01:48:37,119 about people, safety, and the cost of a 2874 01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:39,440 failure. One year later, recovery has 2875 01:48:39,440 --> 01:48:41,360 not kept pace with loss. I appreciate 2876 01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:43,600 Yolanda's update on rebuilding. So far, 2877 01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:45,440 only 22 rebuild permits have been 2878 01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:47,199 issued. One of those is ours, and we are 2879 01:48:47,199 --> 01:48:49,119 grateful, but we cannot start until the 2880 01:48:49,119 --> 01:48:51,600 rain cease. Hundreds of families remain 2881 01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,840 displaced, placing paying mortgages, 2882 01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:55,520 taxes, insurance, and rent while living 2883 01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:58,320 in limbo. 3.2 million for a seaw wall is 2884 01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:00,400 also ridiculous. That is not recovery 2885 01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:02,719 speed, and it must change. I'm glad item 2886 01:49:02,719 --> 01:49:04,320 A is finally before you tonight and 2887 01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:06,159 prioritize finally. Thank you. Because 2888 01:49:06,159 --> 01:49:08,800 rebuilding must and can move faster. The 2889 01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:10,639 city has both the legal authority and 2890 01:49:10,639 --> 01:49:12,040 the legal obligation to ensure 2891 01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:13,119 [clears throat] fire survivors can 2892 01:49:13,119 --> 01:49:14,639 return to their homes in a timely 2893 01:49:14,639 --> 01:49:16,719 manner. The governor's emergency orders 2894 01:49:16,719 --> 01:49:18,880 make this clear. Wildfire rebuilding 2895 01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:20,719 must be fast-tracked and streamlined, 2896 01:49:20,719 --> 01:49:23,119 not slowed by unnecessary barriers. That 2897 01:49:23,119 --> 01:49:25,360 obligation also extends to new property 2898 01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:27,280 owners. New owners must be authorized 2899 01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:29,600 agents in mapped hazard areas to access 2900 01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:32,560 the same postfire rebuild pathway except 2901 01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:34,880 for fee wavers. It is critical for fire 2902 01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:36,800 victims in their 70s and 80s who cannot 2903 01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:38,800 endure the rebuild process to be able to 2904 01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:40,800 sell their lots. If new owners cannot 2905 01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:42,480 use the same rebuild pathway, those 2906 01:49:42,480 --> 01:49:44,719 families may be unable to sell at all, 2907 01:49:44,719 --> 01:49:46,560 effectively creating a taking and a 2908 01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:48,159 significant financial burden for the 2909 01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:50,320 city. Concerns about corporate takeovers 2910 01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:52,159 or short-term rentals should not be used 2911 01:49:52,159 --> 01:49:54,159 to block recovery. The president has 2912 01:49:54,159 --> 01:49:55,920 recently directed Congress to curb 2913 01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:57,679 corporate acquisition of single family 2914 01:49:57,679 --> 01:49:59,440 homes, which should dissuade these 2915 01:49:59,440 --> 01:50:00,800 theaters. The state should have done 2916 01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:03,040 this. Many of us watched the lay let it 2917 01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:05,679 burn they let us burn rally in Pacific 2918 01:50:05,679 --> 01:50:07,440 Palisades this week. The message was 2919 01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:09,840 unmistakable. This is not just a fire. 2920 01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:11,840 It was a systems failure. And unless we 2921 01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:13,760 fix those systems, we will repeat it. 2922 01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:15,840 That means updating water infrastructure 2923 01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:18,080 so hyd hydrants don't run dry during 2924 01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:19,920 firestorms. Undergrounding utilities and 2925 01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:22,639 telecoms withce so hazardous poles and 2926 01:50:22,639 --> 01:50:24,159 exposed wires are removed and 2927 01:50:24,159 --> 01:50:25,760 neighborhoods aren't constantly torn up 2928 01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:27,600 or roads blocked during rebuilding. 2929 01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:29,280 Ensuring county fire keeps fire 2930 01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:31,760 motorways clear. And requiring the MRCA 2931 01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:33,760 to manage brush adjacent to communities 2932 01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:35,440 instead of allowing it to fuel fires 2933 01:50:35,440 --> 01:50:37,679 that destroy homes and native habitat. 2934 01:50:37,679 --> 01:50:39,360 perhaps enlisting the homeless to use 2935 01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:41,679 their machetes up there as as Halen 2936 01:50:41,679 --> 01:50:43,280 suggested. That made me smile for the 2937 01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:44,719 first time this year. Honestly, thank 2938 01:50:44,719 --> 01:50:47,119 you. Please let tonight mark a real 2939 01:50:47,119 --> 01:50:48,800 commitment to recovery speed, public 2940 01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:50,800 safety, and getting families home in 2941 01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:52,960 honor of those we lost and those are who 2942 01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:57,910 are still waiting. Thank you so much. 2943 01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:02,000 » And then that concludes our Zoom. And I 2944 01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:05,199 do have one speaker slip that got 2945 01:51:05,199 --> 01:51:06,719 paper clipped to something else. So, 2946 01:51:06,719 --> 01:51:13,830 Norm, you can round us out. 2947 01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:16,159 » Good evening, honorable city council 2948 01:51:16,159 --> 01:51:21,840 members. Uh, I'll be short. Um, 2949 01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:25,520 the issues associated with the reigns 2950 01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:27,360 um 2951 01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:30,400 have not gone away yet. Uh, have not 2952 01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:33,600 passed. Um, I was happy to see the 2953 01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:37,280 emergency extended because what happens 2954 01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:39,360 when it rains from a geotechnical point 2955 01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:44,560 of view is the water percolates down and 2956 01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:46,560 sooner or later it hits a potential 2957 01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:49,520 slide plane. When it hits that slide 2958 01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:53,360 plane, then you've increased the driving 2959 01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:56,320 force with the water and you have 2960 01:51:56,320 --> 01:52:01,840 decreased the resistance to to the slide 2961 01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:03,360 occurring. 2962 01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:06,400 There are many large slides that occur 2963 01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:09,679 three, four, five months after heavy 2964 01:52:09,679 --> 01:52:11,440 rains. 2965 01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:13,199 That's the first thing. The second thing 2966 01:52:13,199 --> 01:52:17,440 is I've often seen confusion between 2967 01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:20,000 building permits and construction 2968 01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:23,679 permits. People consider it the same. 2969 01:52:23,679 --> 01:52:27,520 But in fact, other people think when 2970 01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:29,119 they get all the approvals from the 2971 01:52:29,119 --> 01:52:32,080 planning department and from the geology 2972 01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:33,440 department and from all the other 2973 01:52:33,440 --> 01:52:34,719 departments, they think they've got 2974 01:52:34,719 --> 01:52:37,920 building permits. But they don't because 2975 01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:39,920 building permits are basically 2976 01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:42,639 construction permits and all they have 2977 01:52:42,639 --> 01:52:45,599 in their hands is an approval from all 2978 01:52:45,599 --> 01:52:48,639 the various departments in the city. 2979 01:52:48,639 --> 01:52:50,000 That's it. Thank you very much for 2980 01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:51,679 listening. 2981 01:52:51,679 --> 01:52:53,589 >> Thank you, Dorm. So that'll close public 2982 01:52:53,589 --> 01:52:53,599 » Thank you, Dorm. So that'll close public 2983 01:52:53,599 --> 01:52:55,679 comment. We're back up. We're going to 2984 01:52:55,679 --> 01:52:57,679 do council member comments very early in 2985 01:52:57,679 --> 01:53:01,280 the evening. Who wants to start? 2986 01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:03,280 Don't all jump. 2987 01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:05,280 I have more I guess questions and com. 2988 01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:07,440 Yeah, please start. Okay, thank you. I 2989 01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:13,990 will. All right. Well, um 2990 01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:17,360 so many um 2991 01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:20,000 so I was curious if the city has um 2992 01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:21,360 well, thanks for the public. I'll start 2993 01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:24,639 with the public's um I do wonder about 2994 01:53:24,639 --> 01:53:27,360 an K's radios. 2995 01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:30,639 Have we explored this model of radio? 2996 01:53:30,639 --> 01:53:33,920 Those radios are everywhere. In fact, uh 2997 01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:36,239 the CR team has a a radio that does 2998 01:53:36,239 --> 01:53:37,360 basically the same thing. 2999 01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:37,750 >> Okay. 3000 01:53:37,750 --> 01:53:37,760 » Okay. 3001 01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:39,990 >> That there's nothing unusual about those 3002 01:53:39,990 --> 01:53:40,000 » That there's nothing unusual about those 3003 01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:43,520 radios. And I looked at the license that 3004 01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:46,159 it is designed for La Habra is where I 3005 01:53:46,159 --> 01:53:47,360 think it was really meant to be. 3006 01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:47,669 >> Yeah. 3007 01:53:47,669 --> 01:53:47,679 » Yeah. 3008 01:53:47,679 --> 01:53:49,589 >> And I assume that she has a license 3009 01:53:49,589 --> 01:53:49,599 » And I assume that she has a license 3010 01:53:49,599 --> 01:53:51,280 ownership of the license, but they're 3011 01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:52,159 very common. 3012 01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:55,270 >> Got it. I might get one. Just have one 3013 01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:55,280 » Got it. I might get one. Just have one 3014 01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:56,960 at my house. 3015 01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:58,310 >> It's not that easy. 3016 01:53:58,310 --> 01:53:58,320 » It's not that easy. 3017 01:53:58,320 --> 01:53:59,030 >> It's not? 3018 01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:59,040 » It's not? 3019 01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:02,709 >> No. Oh, darn. Nothing is easy. Um, 3020 01:54:02,709 --> 01:54:02,719 » No. Oh, darn. Nothing is easy. Um, 3021 01:54:02,719 --> 01:54:06,080 Darren, did we So, did we move away from 3022 01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:08,639 electronic plan review? 3023 01:54:08,639 --> 01:54:10,560 I'm just curious because in his con in 3024 01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:12,880 his comment, he asked to go back to 3025 01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:14,719 electronic plan review, but I wasn't 3026 01:54:14,719 --> 01:54:17,920 sure if we moved away from electronic 3027 01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:22,480 plan review. Say it again. 3028 01:54:22,480 --> 01:54:31,510 Sorry. 3029 01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:33,840 Good evening city council. Uh we have 3030 01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:36,000 not moved away from uh electronic 3031 01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:39,679 review. Um most of it uh the submettos 3032 01:54:39,679 --> 01:54:43,199 are through an electronic portal. Um I 3033 01:54:43,199 --> 01:54:46,239 think the difficulties comes when we uh 3034 01:54:46,239 --> 01:54:49,119 do not have an automated system and 3035 01:54:49,119 --> 01:54:51,199 things are being done manually. I see. 3036 01:54:51,199 --> 01:54:54,159 Uh we also have the ability to do plant 3037 01:54:54,159 --> 01:54:56,239 check through a software that is called 3038 01:54:56,239 --> 01:55:00,159 blue beam. Um so we are also working on 3039 01:55:00,159 --> 01:55:03,520 uh utilizing that software to a greater 3040 01:55:03,520 --> 01:55:05,599 um 3041 01:55:05,599 --> 01:55:08,310 >> area so when a plan is submitted 3042 01:55:08,310 --> 01:55:08,320 » area so when a plan is submitted 3043 01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:10,320 everybody can see that set of plans and 3044 01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:12,400 that's what we have. We we don't have 3045 01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:12,800 that. 3046 01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:15,750 >> I see. So, so Blue Beam, was that what 3047 01:55:15,750 --> 01:55:15,760 » I see. So, so Blue Beam, was that what 3048 01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:18,400 was in the U Baker Tilly report as far 3049 01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:20,639 as the suggested technology that the 3050 01:55:20,639 --> 01:55:22,159 city because I wonder if we're putting 3051 01:55:22,159 --> 01:55:24,159 our energy into Blue Beam, which is 3052 01:55:24,159 --> 01:55:26,480 inadequate or 3053 01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:28,719 less than if we were to put that energy 3054 01:55:28,719 --> 01:55:32,000 into a new type of system, that would be 3055 01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:32,880 more 3056 01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:36,310 >> Blue Beam is a uh plan check uh software 3057 01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:36,320 » Blue Beam is a uh plan check uh software 3058 01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:38,880 system uh that most of the jurisdictions 3059 01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:42,320 are using. Um, additional to Blue Beam, 3060 01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:45,760 there's a permitting automated software 3061 01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:48,239 system that the city does not have. 3062 01:55:48,239 --> 01:55:50,870 >> Oh, should we have that? Should we get 3063 01:55:50,870 --> 01:55:50,880 » Oh, should we have that? Should we get 3064 01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:53,520 that? I'd be interested in looking into 3065 01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:55,679 whatever that is, 3066 01:55:55,679 --> 01:55:57,109 >> council member. Yeah, we're looking into 3067 01:55:57,109 --> 01:55:57,119 » council member. Yeah, we're looking into 3068 01:55:57,119 --> 01:55:58,960 that. And one of the things about Blue 3069 01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:01,199 Beam for most of these programs that do 3070 01:56:01,199 --> 01:56:03,840 the permitting software is they work 3071 01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:05,920 hand in hand with each other. So that's 3072 01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:07,760 something that uh yeah we're looking 3073 01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:10,000 into and kind of we'll provide 3074 01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,950 >> what is that name of the program that 3075 01:56:12,950 --> 01:56:12,960 » what is that name of the program that 3076 01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:14,480 you're looking into. 3077 01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:16,470 >> It's there's there's a number of 3078 01:56:16,470 --> 01:56:16,480 » It's there's there's a number of 3079 01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:19,520 programs uh and vendors that that have 3080 01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:21,760 permitting software that have there and 3081 01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:25,840 so we're um I think it was before all 3082 01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:27,679 the fires and everything else too. we 3083 01:56:27,679 --> 01:56:29,920 were kind of moving towards kind of 3084 01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:32,159 implementing some type of permitting 3085 01:56:32,159 --> 01:56:34,800 software and then we've had a 3086 01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:36,790 >> so we're it's it's still something that 3087 01:56:36,790 --> 01:56:36,800 » so we're it's it's still something that 3088 01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:38,800 we're kind of looking to and I see 3089 01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:42,800 Christopher can say some more yes 3090 01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:44,470 >> Chris maybe you could give us enlighten 3091 01:56:44,470 --> 01:56:44,480 » Chris maybe you could give us enlighten 3092 01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:47,920 us um as our resident expert on 3093 01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:48,470 >> yes 3094 01:56:48,470 --> 01:56:48,480 » yes 3095 01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:49,510 >> sure good good evening 3096 01:56:49,510 --> 01:56:49,520 » sure good good evening 3097 01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:51,350 >> adoption of new software 3098 01:56:51,350 --> 01:56:51,360 » adoption of new software 3099 01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:55,510 >> so uh um we I'm in the process as you 3100 01:56:55,510 --> 01:56:55,520 » so uh um we I'm in the process as you 3101 01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:57,199 know I've only been here about eight 3102 01:56:57,199 --> 01:56:59,199 weeks now. So, I'm in the process of 3103 01:56:59,199 --> 01:57:01,199 evaluating where our technology projects 3104 01:57:01,199 --> 01:57:03,920 are at. Um, the city did undertake an 3105 01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:06,719 RFP process, I believe, two to three 3106 01:57:06,719 --> 01:57:08,400 about two years between two and three 3107 01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:11,199 years ago that um identified Tyler 3108 01:57:11,199 --> 01:57:14,080 Technologies as the preferred solution. 3109 01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:14,950 >> Yeah, 3110 01:57:14,950 --> 01:57:14,960 » Yeah, 3111 01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:17,750 >> that proposal remains valid for another 3112 01:57:17,750 --> 01:57:17,760 » that proposal remains valid for another 3113 01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:20,639 few months from the the company. And so 3114 01:57:20,639 --> 01:57:23,760 I have re um engaged a project team that 3115 01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:27,760 includes our IT team um as well as 3116 01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:32,000 Yolanda's team to begin evaluating um 3117 01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:33,840 validating that Tyler is still the right 3118 01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:35,440 fit for us to be able to move forward. 3119 01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:38,560 And hopefully in the next uh before that 3120 01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:43,280 that um proposal expires, if it if it's 3121 01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:45,520 fits for us, we will initiate a project 3122 01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:47,599 with them. So we will be coming to 3123 01:57:47,599 --> 01:57:50,159 council with a contract proposal um 3124 01:57:50,159 --> 01:57:53,119 provided that is the you know we still 3125 01:57:53,119 --> 01:57:54,719 believe that is the best path forward 3126 01:57:54,719 --> 01:57:55,520 for us. 3127 01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:57,030 >> So that's going to that's the phase for 3128 01:57:57,030 --> 01:57:57,040 » So that's going to that's the phase for 3129 01:57:57,040 --> 01:57:58,080 the next few weeks. 3130 01:57:58,080 --> 01:57:59,669 >> Great. Thank you. I look forward to that 3131 01:57:59,669 --> 01:57:59,679 » Great. Thank you. I look forward to that 3132 01:57:59,679 --> 01:58:06,159 update. Um and then I was yeah I so I 3133 01:58:06,159 --> 01:58:07,679 helped with the Jeff praying the 3134 01:58:07,679 --> 01:58:09,599 assessor. I think it would be important 3135 01:58:09,599 --> 01:58:12,320 to Scott and Sala's point for us to like 3136 01:58:12,320 --> 01:58:14,239 look into how we can help support the 3137 01:58:14,239 --> 01:58:17,599 assessor's office with that tax. I don't 3138 01:58:17,599 --> 01:58:19,599 know. Do we get council consensus to 3139 01:58:19,599 --> 01:58:22,159 look into that for the next meeting? 3140 01:58:22,159 --> 01:58:24,629 >> So, are you talking legislatively help 3141 01:58:24,629 --> 01:58:24,639 » So, are you talking legislatively help 3142 01:58:24,639 --> 01:58:25,760 him out or 3143 01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:27,830 >> the lobby? Yeah, we lobby. We help 3144 01:58:27,830 --> 01:58:27,840 » the lobby? Yeah, we lobby. We help 3145 01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:31,360 strategically legislative 3146 01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:34,960 put pressure on where we can. Well, 3147 01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:37,440 let's go back to the Woolseie fire when 3148 01:58:37,440 --> 01:58:40,320 um what we did there. We made sure that 3149 01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:45,040 everyone's uh tax basis transferred to 3150 01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:48,080 their new home. Um that took legislative 3151 01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:50,639 action. I believe that's what uh the 3152 01:58:50,639 --> 01:58:53,440 assessor is doing. It's not a problem to 3153 01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:55,840 immediately reassess the property right 3154 01:58:55,840 --> 01:59:00,239 now um for the the damage done in the 3155 01:59:00,239 --> 01:59:01,840 fire. And that's one of the reasons why 3156 01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:04,159 the city only had a 1% increase in 3157 01:59:04,159 --> 01:59:06,080 property tax this year. 3158 01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:07,830 >> He normally would have had a 2% increase 3159 01:59:07,830 --> 01:59:07,840 » He normally would have had a 2% increase 3160 01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:09,920 just if nobody had done anything. 3161 01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:12,790 >> But the um as I understand it from and I 3162 01:59:12,790 --> 01:59:12,800 » But the um as I understand it from and I 3163 01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:14,800 had a conversation with him about this. 3164 01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:17,199 If you look at a typical uh tax bill, 3165 01:59:17,199 --> 01:59:18,639 it's got two components. It's got the 3166 01:59:18,639 --> 01:59:20,480 land and the improvements. And if the 3167 01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:22,000 house burned, they immediately took the 3168 01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:23,760 improvements off and backdated that to 3169 01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:24,800 the fire. 3170 01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:27,189 >> So that's already been done. So only the 3171 01:59:27,189 --> 01:59:27,199 » So that's already been done. So only the 3172 01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:29,119 land value is still there. And if you 3173 01:59:29,119 --> 01:59:31,119 look at Proposition 13 values, those are 3174 01:59:31,119 --> 01:59:32,960 very reduced as well. The real question 3175 01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:35,360 is about the going forward, how long 3176 01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:38,800 does the uh uh Proposition 13 values 3177 01:59:38,800 --> 01:59:40,239 stay with the new home or the 3178 01:59:40,239 --> 01:59:43,040 replacement home. And that's uh got more 3179 01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:46,159 to do with the 10% extra and so forth if 3180 01:59:46,159 --> 01:59:47,679 we like. I think they'd be glad to come 3181 01:59:47,679 --> 01:59:49,760 in from the county and give us a update 3182 01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:50,560 on that. Yeah. 3183 01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:52,310 >> But I think it's well underway for 3184 01:59:52,310 --> 01:59:52,320 » But I think it's well underway for 3185 01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:55,599 everybody. It's aladina palis eaten and 3186 01:59:55,599 --> 01:59:57,840 it's very common process now for the 3187 01:59:57,840 --> 01:59:59,440 fires unfortunately. 3188 01:59:59,440 --> 02:00:02,550 >> Okay, thank you for that. Um Mel's 3189 02:00:02,550 --> 02:00:02,560 » Okay, thank you for that. Um Mel's 3190 02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:05,199 comments about Carl Canyon which I had 3191 02:00:05,199 --> 02:00:08,159 questions on um an update. I think it 3192 02:00:08,159 --> 02:00:09,679 would be great if we could get updates 3193 02:00:09,679 --> 02:00:12,719 on I guess big projects that affect 3194 02:00:12,719 --> 02:00:15,199 everybody like the Corral Canyon corner 3195 02:00:15,199 --> 02:00:18,000 of PCH because it is a mess. I see that 3196 02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:20,480 work there has been halted. I don't I 3197 02:00:20,480 --> 02:00:22,000 would like to know why when they're 3198 02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:23,199 going to restart it and what the 3199 02:00:23,199 --> 02:00:25,760 timeline is if you have that information 3200 02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:27,679 in Trim City Manager 3201 02:00:27,679 --> 02:00:30,870 >> Dub 3202 02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:32,320 when they're going to restart. 3203 02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:34,149 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll get that 3204 02:00:34,149 --> 02:00:34,159 » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll get that 3205 02:00:34,159 --> 02:00:34,800 information. 3206 02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:35,830 >> Okay, cool. 3207 02:00:35,830 --> 02:00:35,840 » Okay, cool. 3208 02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:38,790 >> There was a stop work order on that uh 3209 02:00:38,790 --> 02:00:38,800 » There was a stop work order on that uh 3210 02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:42,719 that work uh due to some archeological 3211 02:00:42,719 --> 02:00:44,560 findings. 3212 02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:45,920 Yeah, I would like to know when the 3213 02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:48,320 start work order is going to be in 3214 02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:51,199 effect after it's been about three 3215 02:00:51,199 --> 02:00:52,239 months, I think. 3216 02:00:52,239 --> 02:00:56,070 >> Uh I think uh when we were there was a 3217 02:00:56,070 --> 02:00:56,080 » Uh I think uh when we were there was a 3218 02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:57,750 >> I've forgotten where I heard it, but it 3219 02:00:57,750 --> 02:00:57,760 » I've forgotten where I heard it, but it 3220 02:00:57,760 --> 02:00:58,880 was Lee Haber. 3221 02:00:58,880 --> 02:00:59,270 >> Yeah. 3222 02:00:59,270 --> 02:00:59,280 » Yeah. 3223 02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:01,350 >> Said that uh should be starting very 3224 02:01:01,350 --> 02:01:01,360 » Said that uh should be starting very 3225 02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:02,560 soon on that again. 3226 02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:04,629 >> And then is there like an overall 3227 02:01:04,629 --> 02:01:04,639 » And then is there like an overall 3228 02:01:04,639 --> 02:01:06,880 timeline like we have to live with this 3229 02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:09,840 for the next two years, nine months? 3230 02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:11,030 >> Two years ago it was supposed to be 3231 02:01:11,030 --> 02:01:11,040 » Two years ago it was supposed to be 3232 02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:11,599 finished or something. 3233 02:01:11,599 --> 02:01:13,109 >> Two years. 3234 02:01:13,109 --> 02:01:13,119 » Two years. 3235 02:01:13,119 --> 02:01:15,270 >> Yeah. Once again, we'll provide kind of 3236 02:01:15,270 --> 02:01:15,280 » Yeah. Once again, we'll provide kind of 3237 02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:17,920 kind of an over overall update on all 3238 02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:18,480 those 3239 02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:18,870 >> Yeah. 3240 02:01:18,870 --> 02:01:18,880 » Yeah. 3241 02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:19,750 >> projects. Yeah. 3242 02:01:19,750 --> 02:01:19,760 » projects. Yeah. 3243 02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:21,910 >> Thank you. And the per are there such 3244 02:01:21,910 --> 02:01:21,920 » Thank you. And the per are there such 3245 02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:23,840 things as permanent channelizers or is 3246 02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:25,599 that not something that we want because 3247 02:01:25,599 --> 02:01:27,599 we want them to be removable like as far 3248 02:01:27,599 --> 02:01:29,119 as a safety mechanism because it seems 3249 02:01:29,119 --> 02:01:30,560 like these channelizers that we live 3250 02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:34,159 with and the medians are constantly 3251 02:01:34,159 --> 02:01:36,080 coming off and then they're in the road 3252 02:01:36,080 --> 02:01:38,080 and it becomes this update uh 3253 02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:40,000 maintenance issue. there any other 3254 02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:41,280 solution to that 3255 02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:44,310 >> for for those uh uh temporary 3256 02:01:44,310 --> 02:01:44,320 » for for those uh uh temporary 3257 02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:46,239 construction ones? There's that's what's 3258 02:01:46,239 --> 02:01:49,599 kind of needed if or but there they do 3259 02:01:49,599 --> 02:01:52,320 make different ones that would probably 3260 02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:56,080 be more u can last a little longer. 3261 02:01:56,080 --> 02:01:57,520 Those ones that are out there are 3262 02:01:57,520 --> 02:01:59,119 typically you put them out there that 3263 02:01:59,119 --> 02:02:02,000 they're not meant to be for an extended 3264 02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:03,360 period of time what we're seeing now. 3265 02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:06,239 So, I think they need to look at revisit 3266 02:02:06,239 --> 02:02:08,719 that for any type of long-term solution 3267 02:02:08,719 --> 02:02:10,719 for that type of channelizers. 3268 02:02:10,719 --> 02:02:12,790 >> Okay. I like the idea of looking into 3269 02:02:12,790 --> 02:02:12,800 » Okay. I like the idea of looking into 3270 02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:16,159 somehow where the city can have um 3271 02:02:16,159 --> 02:02:17,840 oversight. 3272 02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:21,440 I think Merryill asked Bruce if um there 3273 02:02:21,440 --> 02:02:23,360 was some legal 3274 02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:25,119 something in which the city could take 3275 02:02:25,119 --> 02:02:28,239 over if there's negligence or and we can 3276 02:02:28,239 --> 02:02:30,960 kind of assert 3277 02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:33,599 our power. 3278 02:02:33,599 --> 02:02:34,870 >> You know, funny you should ask that 3279 02:02:34,870 --> 02:02:34,880 » You know, funny you should ask that 3280 02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:36,560 because you asked earlier about what 3281 02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:38,719 benefit do we get from the declaration 3282 02:02:38,719 --> 02:02:41,360 of local emergency highway. 3283 02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:43,910 >> Bruce, I'm weaving. I've advocated for 3284 02:02:43,910 --> 02:02:43,920 » Bruce, I'm weaving. I've advocated for 3285 02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:46,239 the past year or more that we actually 3286 02:02:46,239 --> 02:02:47,920 do have the ability under that 3287 02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:50,320 declaration to take matters into our own 3288 02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:54,159 hands, but we've been advised otherwise. 3289 02:02:54,159 --> 02:02:57,669 >> Are we is there no nothing that we can 3290 02:02:57,669 --> 02:02:57,679 » Are we is there no nothing that we can 3291 02:02:57,679 --> 02:03:00,480 do as far as taking matters into our 3292 02:03:00,480 --> 02:03:04,000 hands? Calrans has jurisdiction over PCH 3293 02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:05,679 and 3294 02:03:05,679 --> 02:03:08,639 we can work with them is the better 3295 02:03:08,639 --> 02:03:10,719 practice to improve things on PCH. If we 3296 02:03:10,719 --> 02:03:13,360 want to try to make changes on PCH, uh 3297 02:03:13,360 --> 02:03:15,679 we would likely run into issues with 3298 02:03:15,679 --> 02:03:18,880 them. There is power under our 3299 02:03:18,880 --> 02:03:20,880 declaration to take some actions to 3300 02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:24,639 address emergency situations, but um you 3301 02:03:24,639 --> 02:03:25,920 will be taking on a lot of risk if 3302 02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:27,840 you're trying to make improvements or do 3303 02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:31,920 work on CALR directly. this risk. 3304 02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:34,070 >> Just said this goes back to I think 3305 02:03:34,070 --> 02:03:34,080 » Just said this goes back to I think 3306 02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:36,400 before you were elected and you know we 3307 02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:39,040 had debate up here multiple times about 3308 02:03:39,040 --> 02:03:40,880 the fact that we could just take matters 3309 02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:43,280 in broad hands and if it turns out we're 3310 02:03:43,280 --> 02:03:46,239 wrong you know let let Calrans go to the 3311 02:03:46,239 --> 02:03:48,560 courts and and deal with the public 3312 02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:50,800 relations of trying to stop us from 3313 02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:53,440 doing things that make our city safe but 3314 02:03:53,440 --> 02:03:55,760 was never able to get a majority of city 3315 02:03:55,760 --> 02:03:58,560 council to agree to take any action. Oh, 3316 02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:01,599 interesting. It came down to that to the 3317 02:04:01,599 --> 02:04:05,199 majority. So, um the Zoomer's crosswalk 3318 02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:08,159 is dangerous as we know. Somebody got 3319 02:04:08,159 --> 02:04:10,960 hit there a few weeks ago. Um but I 3320 02:04:10,960 --> 02:04:13,280 don't know the solution. So, we see that 3321 02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:16,159 there's these kind of dangerous 3322 02:04:16,159 --> 02:04:18,159 situations in Malibu over and over and 3323 02:04:18,159 --> 02:04:21,040 over again and this isn't going away. 3324 02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:23,360 So, what is the solution? Do we have a 3325 02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:25,280 solution to something that we know is I 3326 02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:26,880 mean, when does it become negligent on 3327 02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:28,719 our part? because we know that it's 3328 02:04:28,719 --> 02:04:31,440 dangerous. So if like the city of Malibu 3329 02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:33,360 is basically up here on tape saying that 3330 02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:35,520 this is a dangerous situation, at what 3331 02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:37,440 point are we taking on that risk just 3332 02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:40,000 inadvertently? 3333 02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:44,390 >> The so what I would suggest is if if 3334 02:04:44,390 --> 02:04:44,400 » The so what I would suggest is if if 3335 02:04:44,400 --> 02:04:47,360 anybody sees any dangerous situation on 3336 02:04:47,360 --> 02:04:51,199 PCH a crosswalk, let let myself know or 3337 02:04:51,199 --> 02:04:57,360 let public works uh staff know. Uh we 3338 02:04:57,360 --> 02:04:59,280 have weekly meetings with Calrans on 3339 02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:01,760 this and this and and uh that can be 3340 02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:03,520 documented on what could be done in 3341 02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:06,719 those situations. So it's a it's a it's 3342 02:05:06,719 --> 02:05:08,239 Cal Transit and the city have have been 3343 02:05:08,239 --> 02:05:11,280 real kind of meeting like I said weekly 3344 02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:12,960 and it's been very good collaborative 3345 02:05:12,960 --> 02:05:15,280 kind of work and so the more information 3346 02:05:15,280 --> 02:05:18,000 we have and the more kind of insights we 3347 02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:20,560 we hear from the public and and council 3348 02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:22,639 we can kind of reate that information to 3349 02:05:22,639 --> 02:05:24,159 them and once it's put on their 3350 02:05:24,159 --> 02:05:25,599 attention it does put pressure on them 3351 02:05:25,599 --> 02:05:28,639 to go resolve those situations 3352 02:05:28,639 --> 02:05:29,360 for them 3353 02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:30,950 >> and then it gives it gives us the 3354 02:05:30,950 --> 02:05:30,960 » and then it gives it gives us the 3355 02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:34,639 ability to kind of follow up and request 3356 02:05:34,639 --> 02:05:36,239 more information and see if there's 3357 02:05:36,239 --> 02:05:38,159 action taken from them. 3358 02:05:38,159 --> 02:05:41,030 >> Well, I mean, are there other mechanisms 3359 02:05:41,030 --> 02:05:41,040 » Well, I mean, are there other mechanisms 3360 02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:43,599 or warning lights or signs or something 3361 02:05:43,599 --> 02:05:47,040 we can put in crosswalks? Um, you know, 3362 02:05:47,040 --> 02:05:49,360 what do other cities do when they've got 3363 02:05:49,360 --> 02:05:50,400 highways [clears throat] going through 3364 02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:53,840 their city and they're noticing, you 3365 02:05:53,840 --> 02:05:56,960 know, I know like down in Palisades, 3366 02:05:56,960 --> 02:05:58,880 they added the extra even we've added 3367 02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:00,320 some places where we have more flashing 3368 02:06:00,320 --> 02:06:02,000 lights and things like that. Are there 3369 02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:04,719 other uh technologies that we can add to 3370 02:06:04,719 --> 02:06:07,520 our intersections to make crosswalks 3371 02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:09,599 more apparent to drivers? 3372 02:06:09,599 --> 02:06:10,950 >> Remember the roundabouts. That's one of 3373 02:06:10,950 --> 02:06:10,960 » Remember the roundabouts. That's one of 3374 02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:12,800 the things Cal Transit's going to do to 3375 02:06:12,800 --> 02:06:14,320 bunker walkways to the roundabouts. 3376 02:06:14,320 --> 02:06:15,920 They're going to have we hit the button, 3377 02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:18,639 the lights end up go across. So, it's 3378 02:06:18,639 --> 02:06:20,880 there. It's there. It can be done. It's 3379 02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:22,400 got to find somebody to do it. 3380 02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:24,870 >> It it's just it's Yeah, there's there's 3381 02:06:24,870 --> 02:06:24,880 » It it's just it's Yeah, there's there's 3382 02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:27,280 a lot of different options in in the 3383 02:06:27,280 --> 02:06:29,920 tool belt for those situations. And it's 3384 02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:33,280 just uh looking at those and getting 3385 02:06:33,280 --> 02:06:35,599 with Calransit to do something that can 3386 02:06:35,599 --> 02:06:37,119 be done there. There's there's a number 3387 02:06:37,119 --> 02:06:39,599 of things you can do. There's there's um 3388 02:06:39,599 --> 02:06:42,159 just just like council member mentioned, 3389 02:06:42,159 --> 02:06:44,800 there's flashing flashing lights and if 3390 02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:47,280 people cross, there's flashing can can 3391 02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:49,119 go across and there's there's 3392 02:06:49,119 --> 02:06:51,430 >> there's a there's a several different 3393 02:06:51,430 --> 02:06:51,440 » there's a there's a several different 3394 02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:53,199 options they can they can do that. 3395 02:06:53,199 --> 02:06:55,430 >> It's a signalized intersection anyway. 3396 02:06:55,430 --> 02:06:55,440 » It's a signalized intersection anyway. 3397 02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:59,750 >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like being in Hawaii 3398 02:06:59,750 --> 02:06:59,760 » Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like being in Hawaii 3399 02:06:59,760 --> 02:07:02,159 and they have flags on each side of the 3400 02:07:02,159 --> 02:07:04,880 street and the pedestrians pick up a 3401 02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:06,480 flag and walk across the street with the 3402 02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:08,880 flag. I mean, do we have to go that 3403 02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:11,920 simple just to get attention? Is 3404 02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:13,589 >> I saw some place on YouTube they put 3405 02:07:13,589 --> 02:07:13,599 » I saw some place on YouTube they put 3406 02:07:13,599 --> 02:07:16,639 bricks on the side of the road and it 3407 02:07:16,639 --> 02:07:18,159 seemed to have an impact. So, I don't 3408 02:07:18,159 --> 02:07:19,280 know. 3409 02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:20,960 I would be very much interested in 3410 02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:24,000 looking into some of those options. 3411 02:07:24,000 --> 02:07:27,119 Lighting, flag, anything that kind of 3412 02:07:27,119 --> 02:07:30,079 helps. This seems to be have gone on 3413 02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:32,480 longer than I've been here. I mean, 3414 02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:34,800 maybe it's time to look into different 3415 02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:37,040 options for crosswalks, especially the 3416 02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:39,199 one at Zumeres. 3417 02:07:39,199 --> 02:07:40,960 Um, since there was two accidents there, 3418 02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:42,719 I guess. 3419 02:07:42,719 --> 02:07:44,950 >> Yeah. So, we'll bring it up with Calrans 3420 02:07:44,950 --> 02:07:44,960 » Yeah. So, we'll bring it up with Calrans 3421 02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:45,520 with that. 3422 02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:48,390 >> Thank you. Okay. Sorry. Moving on. So 3423 02:07:48,390 --> 02:07:48,400 » Thank you. Okay. Sorry. Moving on. So 3424 02:07:48,400 --> 02:07:51,199 Brian Eric um Doyle problem sorry that 3425 02:07:51,199 --> 02:07:53,520 sounds terrible congratulate him 3426 02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:57,040 congratulations. Um so when he talks 3427 02:07:57,040 --> 02:07:59,599 about septic and seaw walls and PCH 3428 02:07:59,599 --> 02:08:02,480 shoring up right does is there an answer 3429 02:08:02,480 --> 02:08:05,040 to that or is that like do we know if he 3430 02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:08,800 has to pay for septic which he's doing? 3431 02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:10,239 What I'm hearing is then he has to pay 3432 02:08:10,239 --> 02:08:12,320 for a seaw wall which it sounds like now 3433 02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:14,239 it's going into the Pacific Coast 3434 02:08:14,239 --> 02:08:16,000 Highway shoring up. So, is there like a 3435 02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:20,000 clear roadmap for beachfronts with 3436 02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:23,599 regards to who's shoring up the highway 3437 02:08:23,599 --> 02:08:25,520 or if they're because the last I heard 3438 02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:27,840 it was kind of vague and I would love an 3439 02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:30,639 update on if CALR says we'll shore up 3440 02:08:30,639 --> 02:08:32,480 the highway and the residents don't have 3441 02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:34,880 to. 3442 02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:38,229 >> Yeah. Um uh at this time uh septic 3443 02:08:38,229 --> 02:08:38,239 » Yeah. Um uh at this time uh septic 3444 02:08:38,239 --> 02:08:42,000 systems and seaw walls are are the 3445 02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:44,400 responsibility of the homeowner. 3446 02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:49,199 Got it. Um the existing walls that are 3447 02:08:49,199 --> 02:08:52,639 right next to PCH, uh CLR has been 3448 02:08:52,639 --> 02:08:54,480 working with their engineers to assess 3449 02:08:54,480 --> 02:08:56,079 each one of them. 3450 02:08:56,079 --> 02:08:59,750 >> Um we have information that there is uh 3451 02:08:59,750 --> 02:08:59,760 » Um we have information that there is uh 3452 02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:02,560 about three three properties that they 3453 02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:04,880 own that [clears throat] that that 3454 02:09:04,880 --> 02:09:07,840 portion that wall. Um and they are going 3455 02:09:07,840 --> 02:09:12,159 to be uh shoring uh and and specifically 3456 02:09:12,159 --> 02:09:14,400 there's three properties 3457 02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:17,109 >> um as far as 3458 02:09:17,109 --> 02:09:17,119 » um as far as 3459 02:09:17,119 --> 02:09:21,599 CR paying for the retaining wall that is 3460 02:09:21,599 --> 02:09:24,239 on the um 3461 02:09:24,239 --> 02:09:26,960 property owners property. 3462 02:09:26,960 --> 02:09:29,669 >> Uh CR is stating is hasn't stayed that 3463 02:09:29,669 --> 02:09:29,679 » Uh CR is stating is hasn't stayed that 3464 02:09:29,679 --> 02:09:31,520 they're going to be paying for it. 3465 02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:35,270 >> Got it. Thank you. Um, 3466 02:09:35,270 --> 02:09:35,280 » Got it. Thank you. Um, 3467 02:09:35,280 --> 02:09:37,360 okay. 3468 02:09:37,360 --> 02:09:39,360 Oh, Michelle Shane, that sounds like a 3469 02:09:39,360 --> 02:09:42,239 great idea. I Maryanne and I will be in 3470 02:09:42,239 --> 02:09:45,520 Sacramento. We can work on that if we 3471 02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:48,159 have direction, too. Um, I was wondering 3472 02:09:48,159 --> 02:09:51,040 if the city of Malibu has a coastal 3473 02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:53,920 commission meeting representative. So, 3474 02:09:53,920 --> 02:09:55,920 is there somebody whose responsibility 3475 02:09:55,920 --> 02:09:57,119 to keep their eye on the coastal 3476 02:09:57,119 --> 02:10:00,320 commission agenda as far as things that 3477 02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:02,400 come before them like the uh parking 3478 02:10:02,400 --> 02:10:05,520 that's now coming to Leo Coreo from 3479 02:10:05,520 --> 02:10:07,599 their last meeting? 3480 02:10:07,599 --> 02:10:09,280 Yes, the community development 3481 02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:11,599 department uh is in charge of keeping an 3482 02:10:11,599 --> 02:10:14,079 eye on that. We also have recurrent 3483 02:10:14,079 --> 02:10:16,719 meetings with the staff from the uh 3484 02:10:16,719 --> 02:10:19,760 coastal commission. Um the last meeting 3485 02:10:19,760 --> 02:10:21,679 we had, it was in December. We're 3486 02:10:21,679 --> 02:10:23,440 setting up another meeting uh at the 3487 02:10:23,440 --> 02:10:25,520 beginning of March to introduce our new 3488 02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:26,400 city manager. 3489 02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:28,390 >> Oh, fantastic. Did you guys hear about 3490 02:10:28,390 --> 02:10:28,400 » Oh, fantastic. Did you guys hear about 3491 02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:30,800 the Leo Creo parking? Because Leo Creo 3492 02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:32,960 is in the city of Malibu. It's not. So, 3493 02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:35,360 you wouldn't even have heard about it. 3494 02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:35,990 >> Doesn't matter. 3495 02:10:35,990 --> 02:10:36,000 » Doesn't matter. 3496 02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:36,790 >> That's county. 3497 02:10:36,790 --> 02:10:36,800 » That's county. 3498 02:10:36,800 --> 02:10:39,510 >> County. Okay, perfect. I'm glad to hear 3499 02:10:39,510 --> 02:10:39,520 » County. Okay, perfect. I'm glad to hear 3500 02:10:39,520 --> 02:10:43,440 that you guys are on that. Um I wanted 3501 02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:46,480 to thank you all for um the extra hour 3502 02:10:46,480 --> 02:10:48,719 for the seniors in the multi-purpose 3503 02:10:48,719 --> 02:10:51,679 room. They're very happy and I really am 3504 02:10:51,679 --> 02:10:53,840 grateful and appreciative. They're like, 3505 02:10:53,840 --> 02:10:55,760 "Wow, two hours. I don't know if we 3506 02:10:55,760 --> 02:10:57,760 could stay here that long." I know it's 3507 02:10:57,760 --> 02:10:59,440 three. Well, you could cut it down. It's 3508 02:10:59,440 --> 02:11:01,040 an experiment. It's kind of like if 3509 02:11:01,040 --> 02:11:03,520 nobody stays then, you know. And chair 3510 02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:05,840 yoga was a su success next door 3511 02:11:05,840 --> 02:11:08,480 simultaneously. I was wondering, are you 3512 02:11:08,480 --> 02:11:10,639 guys um removing and replacing the 3513 02:11:10,639 --> 02:11:15,119 carpets? Did I hear a rumor? 3514 02:11:15,119 --> 02:11:16,400 Well, I think from some of the water 3515 02:11:16,400 --> 02:11:18,560 damage, wasn't there a requirement to 3516 02:11:18,560 --> 02:11:20,320 replace 3517 02:11:20,320 --> 02:11:21,840 the water damaged? 3518 02:11:21,840 --> 02:11:23,669 >> I'm sure it's under a certain amount, so 3519 02:11:23,669 --> 02:11:23,679 » I'm sure it's under a certain amount, so 3520 02:11:23,679 --> 02:11:25,679 we don't really need to know about it. 3521 02:11:25,679 --> 02:11:28,069 >> Uh, yes. Uh, thank you, council member, 3522 02:11:28,069 --> 02:11:28,079 » Uh, yes. Uh, thank you, council member, 3523 02:11:28,079 --> 02:11:31,599 for the question. Um, there is what we 3524 02:11:31,599 --> 02:11:34,800 did as a patch job is we had some extra 3525 02:11:34,800 --> 02:11:38,320 carpet tile that we replaced. So, um, 3526 02:11:38,320 --> 02:11:40,880 that's working out pretty well until the 3527 02:11:40,880 --> 02:11:43,440 the whole project will come forward and 3528 02:11:43,440 --> 02:11:45,760 we'll we will replace that carpet in in 3529 02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:47,440 the multi-purpose room and senior 3530 02:11:47,440 --> 02:11:48,000 center. 3531 02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:49,669 >> And will they will everybody go back to 3532 02:11:49,669 --> 02:11:49,679 » And will they will everybody go back to 3533 02:11:49,679 --> 02:11:52,320 the bluffs for that period of time or it 3534 02:11:52,320 --> 02:11:53,760 will be like an overnight thing and 3535 02:11:53,760 --> 02:11:54,960 we'll never know what happened. 3536 02:11:54,960 --> 02:11:57,350 >> We will try our best to do it on the 3537 02:11:57,350 --> 02:11:57,360 » We will try our best to do it on the 3538 02:11:57,360 --> 02:11:59,119 weekend so it doesn't disrupt 3539 02:11:59,119 --> 02:12:00,159 programming. 3540 02:12:00,159 --> 02:12:03,430 >> Great. Um, thank you. I was wondering, 3541 02:12:03,430 --> 02:12:03,440 » Great. Um, thank you. I was wondering, 3542 02:12:03,440 --> 02:12:05,520 it came up today about the green waddles 3543 02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:08,719 that are everywhere. Are those just for 3544 02:12:08,719 --> 02:12:11,040 So they're um I could be calling them 3545 02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:12,400 not waddle. They might not be waddles, 3546 02:12:12,400 --> 02:12:13,920 but they're neon green and they're on 3547 02:12:13,920 --> 02:12:15,840 PCH and they're on hillsides and they're 3548 02:12:15,840 --> 02:12:18,159 also in the medians. So I was wondering 3549 02:12:18,159 --> 02:12:20,960 if that's for temporary purposes for the 3550 02:12:20,960 --> 02:12:23,119 rain or are we planting something and 3551 02:12:23,119 --> 02:12:24,880 those are 3552 02:12:24,880 --> 02:12:26,400 more long term? 3553 02:12:26,400 --> 02:12:28,790 >> Yeah. Yeah. Those are those are um 3554 02:12:28,790 --> 02:12:28,800 » Yeah. Yeah. Those are those are um 3555 02:12:28,800 --> 02:12:31,119 protective devices that CALR place 3556 02:12:31,119 --> 02:12:33,599 within the median to prevent erosion. 3557 02:12:33,599 --> 02:12:36,000 And if they did some cleanup work along 3558 02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:38,000 the slope over there and and the curb 3559 02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:40,239 and the shoulder area and so to prevent 3560 02:12:40,239 --> 02:12:42,719 any more erosion, that's what they they 3561 02:12:42,719 --> 02:12:45,040 place in there to to help that erosion. 3562 02:12:45,040 --> 02:12:47,270 >> Got it. 3563 02:12:47,270 --> 02:12:47,280 » Got it. 3564 02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:48,310 >> What's the difference between the green 3565 02:12:48,310 --> 02:12:48,320 » What's the difference between the green 3566 02:12:48,320 --> 02:12:50,639 ones and the used to be brown ones? 3567 02:12:50,639 --> 02:12:51,669 >> Yeah. 3568 02:12:51,669 --> 02:12:51,679 » Yeah. 3569 02:12:51,679 --> 02:12:52,870 >> The color. 3570 02:12:52,870 --> 02:12:52,880 » The color. 3571 02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:55,270 >> That's it. 3572 02:12:55,270 --> 02:12:55,280 » That's it. 3573 02:12:55,280 --> 02:12:57,750 >> No, I mean they're they're basically the 3574 02:12:57,750 --> 02:12:57,760 » No, I mean they're they're basically the 3575 02:12:57,760 --> 02:12:58,960 same kind of thing. It's just it's just 3576 02:12:58,960 --> 02:13:02,400 a different color. H 3577 02:13:02,400 --> 02:13:05,189 >> that's it. I mean, you go on. 3578 02:13:05,189 --> 02:13:05,199 » that's it. I mean, you go on. 3579 02:13:05,199 --> 02:13:07,109 >> Well, I was just gonna ask about plastic 3580 02:13:07,109 --> 02:13:07,119 » Well, I was just gonna ask about plastic 3581 02:13:07,119 --> 02:13:08,000 sandbags. Go 3582 02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:10,550 >> because I know there was an issue with 3583 02:13:10,550 --> 02:13:10,560 » because I know there was an issue with 3584 02:13:10,560 --> 02:13:12,960 um I believe there was 3585 02:13:12,960 --> 02:13:15,430 >> for the emergency rains and everything 3586 02:13:15,430 --> 02:13:15,440 » for the emergency rains and everything 3587 02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:18,079 um questions about some plastic sandbags 3588 02:13:18,079 --> 02:13:20,639 that were at a giveaway spot. I'm 3589 02:13:20,639 --> 02:13:22,320 assuming it was the county since it was 3590 02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:24,639 on their land that the giveaway was. So, 3591 02:13:24,639 --> 02:13:27,520 are we just making sure that all partner 3592 02:13:27,520 --> 02:13:30,400 agencies know that plastic sandbags are 3593 02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:33,040 not allowed and even in emergency 3594 02:13:33,040 --> 02:13:36,320 situations, we should do our best to 3595 02:13:36,320 --> 02:13:39,760 have burlap or other available? 3596 02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:41,350 >> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. That was 3597 02:13:41,350 --> 02:13:41,360 » Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. That was 3598 02:13:41,360 --> 02:13:43,280 something that just kind of came up and 3599 02:13:43,280 --> 02:13:46,480 we got with our county and they we're 3600 02:13:46,480 --> 02:13:47,599 going to correct that. 3601 02:13:47,599 --> 02:13:48,950 >> Yeah. When I heard about I called the 3602 02:13:48,950 --> 02:13:48,960 » Yeah. When I heard about I called the 3603 02:13:48,960 --> 02:13:51,280 county that same day and they recognized 3604 02:13:51,280 --> 02:13:52,639 that they were not supposed to give us 3605 02:13:52,639 --> 02:13:54,639 plastic bags. So hopefully we won't see 3606 02:13:54,639 --> 02:13:55,599 those again. 3607 02:13:55,599 --> 02:13:57,990 >> Yeah. 3608 02:13:57,990 --> 02:13:58,000 » Yeah. 3609 02:13:58,000 --> 02:13:59,910 >> Um do we have an actual timeline for the 3610 02:13:59,910 --> 02:13:59,920 » Um do we have an actual timeline for the 3611 02:13:59,920 --> 02:14:04,550 skate park? 3612 02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:06,320 » Not yet. We're we're still kind of 3613 02:14:06,320 --> 02:14:10,320 looking at all of the lock all the the 3614 02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:13,199 uh the ponding and the mud and debris in 3615 02:14:13,199 --> 02:14:14,800 there to kind of see when when they can 3616 02:14:14,800 --> 02:14:17,199 really get back in there and and finish 3617 02:14:17,199 --> 02:14:19,360 up all that area. 3618 02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:21,599 Can I offer to rent some drying 3619 02:14:21,599 --> 02:14:23,840 equipment and some other things to so we 3620 02:14:23,840 --> 02:14:25,520 can get that board as quickly as 3621 02:14:25,520 --> 02:14:27,840 possible? 3622 02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:29,750 >> Stand out there with a band. 3623 02:14:29,750 --> 02:14:29,760 » Stand out there with a band. 3624 02:14:29,760 --> 02:14:30,550 >> Hair blowers. 3625 02:14:30,550 --> 02:14:30,560 » Hair blowers. 3626 02:14:30,560 --> 02:14:33,109 >> I I mean, the good thing is um with with 3627 02:14:33,109 --> 02:14:33,119 » I I mean, the good thing is um with with 3628 02:14:33,119 --> 02:14:35,199 this wind and and the weather this week, 3629 02:14:35,199 --> 02:14:36,719 too, it's supposed to be warmer, so it's 3630 02:14:36,719 --> 02:14:38,639 going to it's going to help that process 3631 02:14:38,639 --> 02:14:41,840 quicker. So, we'll see how this goes and 3632 02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:44,079 get the contractor to start going quick. 3633 02:14:44,079 --> 02:14:46,149 >> Yeah. Okay. Sorry, Kristen. I have 3634 02:14:46,149 --> 02:14:46,159 » Yeah. Okay. Sorry, Kristen. I have 3635 02:14:46,159 --> 02:14:48,239 another question for you. Um, there's 3636 02:14:48,239 --> 02:14:50,079 two or three burnt trees on the Bluffs 3637 02:14:50,079 --> 02:14:52,079 Park. They've been there on and off. I 3638 02:14:52,079 --> 02:14:53,599 mean, they've just kind of creepy 3639 02:14:53,599 --> 02:14:55,360 looking. You know which ones I'm talking 3640 02:14:55,360 --> 02:14:56,719 about? 3641 02:14:56,719 --> 02:14:57,990 >> I believe so. Yes. 3642 02:14:57,990 --> 02:14:58,000 » I believe so. Yes. 3643 02:14:58,000 --> 02:14:59,750 >> Are they our property or MRCA? 3644 02:14:59,750 --> 02:14:59,760 » Are they our property or MRCA? 3645 02:14:59,760 --> 02:15:01,350 >> They are MRCA property. 3646 02:15:01,350 --> 02:15:01,360 » They are MRCA property. 3647 02:15:01,360 --> 02:15:04,470 >> So, I believe that we're able to brush 3648 02:15:04,470 --> 02:15:04,480 » So, I believe that we're able to brush 3649 02:15:04,480 --> 02:15:07,440 clear that because it's 200 feet from a 3650 02:15:07,440 --> 02:15:10,880 structure. We're I think that we are 3651 02:15:10,880 --> 02:15:13,760 allowed to take those out with 3652 02:15:13,760 --> 02:15:15,679 permission maybe. But we should probably 3653 02:15:15,679 --> 02:15:17,440 think about doing that. We can work with 3654 02:15:17,440 --> 02:15:21,119 MRCA to figure out a solution. Um, are 3655 02:15:21,119 --> 02:15:23,360 you referring to the trees on PCH? 3656 02:15:23,360 --> 02:15:26,229 >> They're like on PCH right off I don't 3657 02:15:26,229 --> 02:15:26,239 » They're like on PCH right off I don't 3658 02:15:26,239 --> 02:15:28,159 know behind the community building. 3659 02:15:28,159 --> 02:15:31,040 They're like creepy looking. Um, burnt 3660 02:15:31,040 --> 02:15:33,040 just a reminder of the three fires that 3661 02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:36,480 we had. Um, it's like right behind the 3662 02:15:36,480 --> 02:15:38,480 community centers, so I believe we're 3663 02:15:38,480 --> 02:15:41,119 within the footage of a structure. 3664 02:15:41,119 --> 02:15:41,510 >> Okay. 3665 02:15:41,510 --> 02:15:41,520 » Okay. 3666 02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:44,229 >> Um, that would be super. And I wanted to 3667 02:15:44,229 --> 02:15:44,239 » Um, that would be super. And I wanted to 3668 02:15:44,239 --> 02:15:47,119 thank the the beach cleanup crew for the 3669 02:15:47,119 --> 02:15:49,040 community community brigade who cleaned 3670 02:15:49,040 --> 02:15:51,920 the beach yesterday and um I would like 3671 02:15:51,920 --> 02:15:54,239 to join that in the future and bring my 3672 02:15:54,239 --> 02:15:56,800 kids. It was very sad to see how much 3673 02:15:56,800 --> 02:15:59,440 debris is still out there. The mangled 3674 02:15:59,440 --> 02:16:02,880 rusty metal bed frames. Um it's very 3675 02:16:02,880 --> 02:16:06,560 sad. And that is all my questions really 3676 02:16:06,560 --> 02:16:09,840 and comments. 3677 02:16:09,840 --> 02:16:11,119 Next 3678 02:16:11,119 --> 02:16:13,910 >> gentlemen. 3679 02:16:13,910 --> 02:16:13,920 » gentlemen. 3680 02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:15,109 >> All too. 3681 02:16:15,109 --> 02:16:15,119 » All too. 3682 02:16:15,119 --> 02:16:17,430 >> I'll do it. Um, [clears throat] first 3683 02:16:17,430 --> 02:16:17,440 » I'll do it. Um, [clears throat] first 3684 02:16:17,440 --> 02:16:19,440 off, I want to thank Candace Bond for 3685 02:16:19,440 --> 02:16:22,000 her service. Um, you know, she's not 3686 02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:23,840 here tonight to say thank you in person. 3687 02:16:23,840 --> 02:16:25,199 Hopefully, she's watching it or she'll 3688 02:16:25,199 --> 02:16:28,480 get it uh indirectly, but uh she was a 3689 02:16:28,480 --> 02:16:31,040 real gift from the from the community 3690 02:16:31,040 --> 02:16:33,679 for the community and we'll always be 3691 02:16:33,679 --> 02:16:36,800 grateful to her for that. And um you 3692 02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:38,479 know, Rob, thank you for filling in 3693 02:16:38,479 --> 02:16:41,359 until we get the next city manager uh on 3694 02:16:41,359 --> 02:16:43,519 board and looking forward to having him 3695 02:16:43,519 --> 02:16:46,639 March 2nd. Um in terms of things that it 3696 02:16:46,639 --> 02:16:48,800 did, uh we've had a very eventful week 3697 02:16:48,800 --> 02:16:51,120 this last week. We had the remembrance 3698 02:16:51,120 --> 02:16:53,679 program on Wednesday, uh here at city 3699 02:16:53,679 --> 02:16:55,439 hall, and city staff, I think, did an 3700 02:16:55,439 --> 02:16:57,679 excellent job with that. It was tough to 3701 02:16:57,679 --> 02:17:00,880 remember, um where we all were. It was 3702 02:17:00,880 --> 02:17:02,880 difficult to remember where we were the 3703 02:17:02,880 --> 02:17:06,080 same time a year ago. And uh it was deja 3704 02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:07,840 vu for some of us as we walked into the 3705 02:17:07,840 --> 02:17:10,880 multi-purpose room for um snacks and 3706 02:17:10,880 --> 02:17:12,319 treats and realized that was where the 3707 02:17:12,319 --> 02:17:15,280 EOC was and it was it was uh going full 3708 02:17:15,280 --> 02:17:20,639 steam at the same time uh a year ago. Um 3709 02:17:20,639 --> 02:17:23,120 I'll make a comment I made before. We 3710 02:17:23,120 --> 02:17:25,120 can rebuild, but we can never forget our 3711 02:17:25,120 --> 02:17:27,439 race of damage done to so many lives. 3712 02:17:27,439 --> 02:17:30,719 And um unfortunately Malibu's had a 3713 02:17:30,719 --> 02:17:33,840 string of uh bad luck on fires. If you 3714 02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:35,760 go back to the Woosey fire, basically 3715 02:17:35,760 --> 02:17:38,559 the entire city has been subject to some 3716 02:17:38,559 --> 02:17:41,200 kind of a flame issue in the last seven 3717 02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:44,160 or eight years. And um we got to do what 3718 02:17:44,160 --> 02:17:46,240 we can to keep the fires out of Malibu. 3719 02:17:46,240 --> 02:17:48,479 And when they are here, and I go back to 3720 02:17:48,479 --> 02:17:50,719 Chief Moron's comment, your house has to 3721 02:17:50,719 --> 02:17:53,519 be able to defend itself. And there's no 3722 02:17:53,519 --> 02:17:55,040 way to have a fire truck in front of 3723 02:17:55,040 --> 02:17:57,120 every house or one on every street. So, 3724 02:17:57,120 --> 02:17:58,479 we got to do what we can to make sure 3725 02:17:58,479 --> 02:18:00,479 that they're safe. Uh, I already 3726 02:18:00,479 --> 02:18:02,880 mentioned about the two deputies uh that 3727 02:18:02,880 --> 02:18:06,080 were heroes. Um, couple quick things. 3728 02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:08,639 Speed cameras. Rob, do we have a update 3729 02:18:08,639 --> 02:18:10,639 on when we're going to get those uh RFPs 3730 02:18:10,639 --> 02:18:13,519 out? 3731 02:18:13,519 --> 02:18:16,150 >> So, yeah, we So, thanks for thanks for 3732 02:18:16,150 --> 02:18:16,160 » So, yeah, we So, thanks for thanks for 3733 02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:19,359 reminding me. Yeah, we uh this last week 3734 02:18:19,359 --> 02:18:23,120 that we did do interviews with I believe 3735 02:18:23,120 --> 02:18:26,160 it was four or five different vendors 3736 02:18:26,160 --> 02:18:29,760 and um uh staff is kind of compiling all 3737 02:18:29,760 --> 02:18:34,160 that that information and um we are uh 3738 02:18:34,160 --> 02:18:35,679 going to be making a selection here and 3739 02:18:35,679 --> 02:18:37,840 and bringing out to city council soon on 3740 02:18:37,840 --> 02:18:40,479 a vendor. So that should be coming here 3741 02:18:40,479 --> 02:18:44,559 I I want to say within February or so. 3742 02:18:44,559 --> 02:18:46,389 >> Okay. And what's the timeline to put 3743 02:18:46,389 --> 02:18:46,399 » Okay. And what's the timeline to put 3744 02:18:46,399 --> 02:18:47,840 them in once we select that? 3745 02:18:47,840 --> 02:18:49,910 >> So once that's done too, right now we're 3746 02:18:49,910 --> 02:18:49,920 » So once that's done too, right now we're 3747 02:18:49,920 --> 02:18:53,040 we we are looking to trying to get um 3748 02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:57,040 the the big critical item is actual 3749 02:18:57,040 --> 02:19:00,240 polls for the for the cameras and for 3750 02:19:00,240 --> 02:19:02,800 the speed feedback signs and and we're 3751 02:19:02,800 --> 02:19:05,120 trying to get a date on when those going 3752 02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:07,599 to come in. We're we're hoping this this 3753 02:19:07,599 --> 02:19:09,920 spring. Um and and we're checking with 3754 02:19:09,920 --> 02:19:12,479 Calrans to see if they have any within 3755 02:19:12,479 --> 02:19:15,359 their stock so they can just trade us 3756 02:19:15,359 --> 02:19:17,200 and and get them even sooner. So I'm so 3757 02:19:17,200 --> 02:19:18,800 I'm pushing that this next couple of 3758 02:19:18,800 --> 02:19:21,280 weeks and trying to get an answer on the 3759 02:19:21,280 --> 02:19:23,439 poll situation because that's that's the 3760 02:19:23,439 --> 02:19:25,599 really the the critical path. 3761 02:19:25,599 --> 02:19:28,389 >> Okay. I know uh in a report from CHP 3762 02:19:28,389 --> 02:19:28,399 » Okay. I know uh in a report from CHP 3763 02:19:28,399 --> 02:19:32,160 that we get, they pull maybe one over 3764 02:19:32,160 --> 02:19:34,319 100 mph speeder every two or three 3765 02:19:34,319 --> 02:19:36,080 months, but when we get the speed 3766 02:19:36,080 --> 02:19:37,840 cameras in, we'll know who's speeding 3767 02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:39,760 and where. We'll know who's been naughty 3768 02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:42,319 or nice, so to speak, and uh that'll 3769 02:19:42,319 --> 02:19:44,319 that'll help us uh I think tell the 3770 02:19:44,319 --> 02:19:46,559 story on the fast system as well. I'm 3771 02:19:46,559 --> 02:19:49,280 looking at Michelle and u I think that 3772 02:19:49,280 --> 02:19:51,840 that data will be beneficial. So looking 3773 02:19:51,840 --> 02:19:53,200 forward to getting those cameras in to 3774 02:19:53,200 --> 02:19:55,439 see what we can do. uh on the radio. I 3775 02:19:55,439 --> 02:19:58,000 didn't mean to be dismissive of u uh 3776 02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:00,800 ENK, but 3777 02:20:00,800 --> 02:20:05,040 radios are peripherally peripheral and 3778 02:20:05,040 --> 02:20:07,439 prolific all over uh Southern 3779 02:20:07,439 --> 02:20:08,960 California. In fact, that's one of the 3780 02:20:08,960 --> 02:20:11,680 issues. The frequencies are jam-packed. 3781 02:20:11,680 --> 02:20:14,240 There aren't any spare frequencies. And 3782 02:20:14,240 --> 02:20:16,399 uh the one that she's talking about is 3783 02:20:16,399 --> 02:20:20,720 dedicated to the La Ham La Habra um I 3784 02:20:20,720 --> 02:20:24,560 think arson watch equivalent. And uh the 3785 02:20:24,560 --> 02:20:25,920 fact that she's got one of the radios, 3786 02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:28,160 that's great. I know she used to be in 3787 02:20:28,160 --> 02:20:31,040 Ahabra, but um we've got plenty of 3788 02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:34,080 radios here. The issue is not uh radios. 3789 02:20:34,080 --> 02:20:35,920 It's about the ability to have strong 3790 02:20:35,920 --> 02:20:38,000 signals on the tower for the sheriff's 3791 02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:40,560 department. Um the search team has got 3792 02:20:40,560 --> 02:20:42,960 its own radio system. Uh the Rick's 3793 02:20:42,960 --> 02:20:45,200 radio system is what the county uses for 3794 02:20:45,200 --> 02:20:47,439 the entire county with interchange with 3795 02:20:47,439 --> 02:20:49,680 other uh like the fire department and 3796 02:20:49,680 --> 02:20:53,040 the sheriff's department. Um the state 3797 02:20:53,040 --> 02:20:54,800 parks and so forth. Everybody's got an 3798 02:20:54,800 --> 02:20:56,880 interconnected system. You just need to 3799 02:20:56,880 --> 02:20:58,479 have the strong towers where they can 3800 02:20:58,479 --> 02:21:02,240 all work. So it's it's not a case of uh 3801 02:21:02,240 --> 02:21:05,280 trying to find another radio system. And 3802 02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:07,760 um if you're a ham radio operator, you 3803 02:21:07,760 --> 02:21:09,439 can use those radios all you want to, 3804 02:21:09,439 --> 02:21:11,200 but you got to get a license. in 3805 02:21:11,200 --> 02:21:13,040 technician classes. Take you one day to 3806 02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:15,280 get it. And by the way, most of the 3807 02:21:15,280 --> 02:21:18,240 search team has ham radio licenses in 3808 02:21:18,240 --> 02:21:20,960 addition to the uh city radio. Okay, 3809 02:21:20,960 --> 02:21:23,520 that's all I got. 3810 02:21:23,520 --> 02:21:24,550 >> Steve. 3811 02:21:24,550 --> 02:21:24,560 » Steve. 3812 02:21:24,560 --> 02:21:26,469 >> Yeah. Okay. First, let me wish everybody 3813 02:21:26,469 --> 02:21:26,479 » Yeah. Okay. First, let me wish everybody 3814 02:21:26,479 --> 02:21:29,359 happy new year. Uh I guess I didn't see 3815 02:21:29,359 --> 02:21:30,800 anybody getting arrested, so I guess 3816 02:21:30,800 --> 02:21:33,600 everybody was fairly calm during that 3817 02:21:33,600 --> 02:21:36,160 time frame. Uh, I want to thank public 3818 02:21:36,160 --> 02:21:39,200 works and I know it was Robert Tatiana 3819 02:21:39,200 --> 02:21:40,960 who led the charge to keep the roads 3820 02:21:40,960 --> 02:21:42,640 open and deal with all the rain. That 3821 02:21:42,640 --> 02:21:44,560 was a heck of a job and we do appreciate 3822 02:21:44,560 --> 02:21:46,160 it. I mean, made life a heck of a lot 3823 02:21:46,160 --> 02:21:49,920 better. Um, 3824 02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:51,439 there have been a number of articles 3825 02:21:51,439 --> 02:21:54,000 regarding people doing soil testing. Uh, 3826 02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:55,680 and in some cases they found out that 3827 02:21:55,680 --> 02:21:57,600 there were some debris in the soil that 3828 02:21:57,600 --> 02:21:59,120 they 3829 02:21:59,120 --> 02:22:01,280 didn't want to have there. Uh, and I 3830 02:22:01,280 --> 02:22:03,040 just I got two notes over the course of 3831 02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:04,880 the last couple weeks. There are two 3832 02:22:04,880 --> 02:22:06,880 programs that are free. If anybody wants 3833 02:22:06,880 --> 02:22:08,960 to do soil testing, you can get that 3834 02:22:08,960 --> 02:22:11,680 done for free either through USC. 3835 02:22:11,680 --> 02:22:14,160 They've got a program called clean uh 3836 02:22:14,160 --> 02:22:16,240 just Google that and they give you 3837 02:22:16,240 --> 02:22:18,560 details on that one. And then LA public 3838 02:22:18,560 --> 02:22:21,680 work, LA public health also has a soil 3839 02:22:21,680 --> 02:22:24,479 testing program uh that's free. I mean, 3840 02:22:24,479 --> 02:22:26,399 so you put your soil in a little plastic 3841 02:22:26,399 --> 02:22:28,160 bag and you send it to them and I think 3842 02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:29,600 it's like seven days they'll get back to 3843 02:22:29,600 --> 02:22:30,800 you and tell you what's there. So, if 3844 02:22:30,800 --> 02:22:32,319 you're interested, there's some places 3845 02:22:32,319 --> 02:22:34,880 you can go to get that done. 3846 02:22:34,880 --> 02:22:37,990 Uh, 3847 02:22:38,000 --> 02:22:39,920 I want to just note I I attended this 3848 02:22:39,920 --> 02:22:42,240 this uh 3849 02:22:42,240 --> 02:22:44,720 palisades remembers event we had here in 3850 02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:47,200 city hall. Uh, and I'll tell you one of 3851 02:22:47,200 --> 02:22:49,439 the at least from my perspective. Uh, I 3852 02:22:49,439 --> 02:22:50,800 mean, I talked to a number of the 3853 02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:53,280 residents who were here and it was I was 3854 02:22:53,280 --> 02:22:57,280 just glad to see that their spirits were 3855 02:22:57,280 --> 02:22:58,720 still up. I mean, you know, they're 3856 02:22:58,720 --> 02:23:00,160 still planning to rebuild. They're 3857 02:23:00,160 --> 02:23:01,920 they're keeping their spirits about 3858 02:23:01,920 --> 02:23:03,680 them. They're working hard at it. So, at 3859 02:23:03,680 --> 02:23:05,359 least I mean, I went home that night and 3860 02:23:05,359 --> 02:23:07,760 felt better than I I felt reading all 3861 02:23:07,760 --> 02:23:09,439 these articles about stuff that wasn't 3862 02:23:09,439 --> 02:23:11,760 happening. So, uh, it was just good to 3863 02:23:11,760 --> 02:23:16,000 hear. And then finally, 3864 02:23:16,000 --> 02:23:17,439 I was going to comment on our two 3865 02:23:17,439 --> 02:23:20,000 anonymous callers that we get every, you 3866 02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:21,359 know, this has been going on for a year 3867 02:23:21,359 --> 02:23:23,840 and a half now. Uh, ever since we voted 3868 02:23:23,840 --> 02:23:26,800 down the, uh, 3869 02:23:26,800 --> 02:23:28,319 motel, they were trying to, you know, 3870 02:23:28,319 --> 02:23:31,520 that brothers and, uh, Doug Bur are 3871 02:23:31,520 --> 02:23:34,319 trying to build over on PCH. Uh, and I 3872 02:23:34,319 --> 02:23:35,920 don't I don't apologize for voting 3873 02:23:35,920 --> 02:23:38,319 against that hotel. That was a bad idea. 3874 02:23:38,319 --> 02:23:42,000 Uh, and I'm not going to, you know, 3875 02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:45,200 just for your information, 3876 02:23:45,200 --> 02:23:47,120 the city has been in contact with my 3877 02:23:47,120 --> 02:23:49,200 property 3878 02:23:49,200 --> 02:23:52,720 and I don't have a problem. So, and I'm 3879 02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:53,680 not, you know, I'm not going to go 3880 02:23:53,680 --> 02:23:54,960 through the details. It's none of their 3881 02:23:54,960 --> 02:23:58,800 business, but we we have done that. Uh, 3882 02:23:58,800 --> 02:24:01,520 with that, back to you, mayor 3883 02:24:01,520 --> 02:24:03,190 >> Chris. 3884 02:24:03,190 --> 02:24:03,200 » Chris. 3885 02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:05,030 >> Okay. So, you know, the sergeant said 3886 02:24:05,030 --> 02:24:05,040 » Okay. So, you know, the sergeant said 3887 02:24:05,040 --> 02:24:06,000 earlier [clears throat] 3888 02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:09,200 with hope 2026 be better than 2025. 3889 02:24:09,200 --> 02:24:10,479 If that's not the case, we're all in 3890 02:24:10,479 --> 02:24:14,399 trouble. So, here's for a good year. Um, 3891 02:24:14,399 --> 02:24:16,399 so have a couple couple minor comments 3892 02:24:16,399 --> 02:24:18,080 and I'll get to um the more significant 3893 02:24:18,080 --> 02:24:19,840 one. Um, there have been a lot of 3894 02:24:19,840 --> 02:24:21,359 questions, Rob, about these various 3895 02:24:21,359 --> 02:24:24,720 items Mel raised. Um, Zuma underpass. It 3896 02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:27,680 seems like it was open and fixed for a 3897 02:24:27,680 --> 02:24:29,840 while and now it's not again. What 3898 02:24:29,840 --> 02:24:31,200 What's the prognosis? What's going to go 3899 02:24:31,200 --> 02:24:33,040 on there? I I I think it's an issue 3900 02:24:33,040 --> 02:24:35,439 about the sand removal and and I think 3901 02:24:35,439 --> 02:24:38,000 the the county and beaches and beaches 3902 02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:39,600 and harbor and Calrans are kind of 3903 02:24:39,600 --> 02:24:41,359 working through through all those kind 3904 02:24:41,359 --> 02:24:42,640 of issues about removing. 3905 02:24:42,640 --> 02:24:43,830 >> Is it going to be another year again 3906 02:24:43,830 --> 02:24:43,840 » Is it going to be another year again 3907 02:24:43,840 --> 02:24:45,200 before it gets done? And 3908 02:24:45,200 --> 02:24:46,550 >> no, I think it it's something that we're 3909 02:24:46,550 --> 02:24:46,560 » no, I think it it's something that we're 3910 02:24:46,560 --> 02:24:47,439 going to be pushing I'm going to be 3911 02:24:47,439 --> 02:24:49,040 pushing hard on them to try to try to 3912 02:24:49,040 --> 02:24:51,600 get that resolved. I think the issue 3913 02:24:51,600 --> 02:24:54,880 previously was that it they removed it 3914 02:24:54,880 --> 02:24:58,399 once a and they needed a a continuing 3915 02:24:58,399 --> 02:25:00,160 permit to actually do it from previous 3916 02:25:00,160 --> 02:25:01,920 years because it it's it's going to 3917 02:25:01,920 --> 02:25:03,280 happen over and over again and they got 3918 02:25:03,280 --> 02:25:05,600 to make sure that's kind of they have 3919 02:25:05,600 --> 02:25:07,120 the correct permit to to do that 3920 02:25:07,120 --> 02:25:08,319 correctly over the years. 3921 02:25:08,319 --> 02:25:11,990 >> All right. Thanks. Um you know and um 3922 02:25:11,990 --> 02:25:12,000 » All right. Thanks. Um you know and um 3923 02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:14,080 there's been some comments about an K's 3924 02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:16,000 comment about the radios. I it's one 3925 02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:18,000 thing I was to say cuz I I I think it 3926 02:25:18,000 --> 02:25:21,120 was unfair the statement that the Habra 3927 02:25:21,120 --> 02:25:23,359 Heights has not burned and I think she 3928 02:25:23,359 --> 02:25:26,399 said apparently they care. Uh I looked 3929 02:25:26,399 --> 02:25:29,040 at their very their fire hazard severity 3930 02:25:29,040 --> 02:25:31,200 map after she made that statement and 3931 02:25:31,200 --> 02:25:33,840 with the exception of a few blocks of a 3932 02:25:33,840 --> 02:25:37,680 multi- you know many many mile area um 3933 02:25:37,680 --> 02:25:40,399 that that that town does is not only not 3934 02:25:40,399 --> 02:25:42,479 a well first of all we're we're entirely 3935 02:25:42,479 --> 02:25:44,240 a very high fire hazard severity zone. 3936 02:25:44,240 --> 02:25:47,439 every inch of Malibu. Um, not one inch 3937 02:25:47,439 --> 02:25:49,920 of that area is a very high fire hazard 3938 02:25:49,920 --> 02:25:51,760 severity zone. With the exception of 3939 02:25:51,760 --> 02:25:54,800 those few blocks, none of that area is a 3940 02:25:54,800 --> 02:25:58,160 high fire hazard severity zone, a 3941 02:25:58,160 --> 02:26:02,000 moderate fire severity zone. No, no 3942 02:26:02,000 --> 02:26:03,920 severity zone of any sort. It's it's 3943 02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:06,479 just a clean slate. You know, it's like 3944 02:26:06,479 --> 02:26:08,160 areas of the valley here where they're 3945 02:26:08,160 --> 02:26:10,399 just concrete jungles. I'm not saying 3946 02:26:10,399 --> 02:26:11,920 that's a concrete jungle, but it's it's 3947 02:26:11,920 --> 02:26:14,640 not a higher it's not a fire zone. So, 3948 02:26:14,640 --> 02:26:16,399 it was just very unfair for someone to 3949 02:26:16,399 --> 02:26:18,560 suggest that um some other jurisdiction 3950 02:26:18,560 --> 02:26:20,240 cares and that the proof of that is that 3951 02:26:20,240 --> 02:26:21,520 they have radios and that's why they 3952 02:26:21,520 --> 02:26:25,040 don't burn. That's that's nonsense. Um 3953 02:26:25,040 --> 02:26:28,080 so for the past couple months there's 3954 02:26:28,080 --> 02:26:30,240 been this issue of this was alluded to 3955 02:26:30,240 --> 02:26:32,960 earlier by Halen the whether the U 3956 02:26:32,960 --> 02:26:35,120 rebuild rights travel with the land and 3957 02:26:35,120 --> 02:26:37,120 we all know that with respect to 3958 02:26:37,120 --> 02:26:39,520 planning they do that under our 3959 02:26:39,520 --> 02:26:41,280 municipal code and and and even under 3960 02:26:41,280 --> 02:26:44,000 the um coastal act when it applies when 3961 02:26:44,000 --> 02:26:46,720 you have a um catastrophe and you're 3962 02:26:46,720 --> 02:26:48,399 rebuilding it doesn't matter whether 3963 02:26:48,399 --> 02:26:49,680 it's the person who owned the property 3964 02:26:49,680 --> 02:26:52,160 at the time um it could it can be a 3965 02:26:52,160 --> 02:26:55,120 buyer um what has come to our attention 3966 02:26:55,120 --> 02:26:58,319 is that um the building code does 3967 02:26:58,319 --> 02:27:00,080 provide that in a lands an active 3968 02:27:00,080 --> 02:27:04,319 landslide area um unless it's the um 3969 02:27:04,319 --> 02:27:06,160 owner at the time of the casualty or 3970 02:27:06,160 --> 02:27:08,560 their quote was it authorized 3971 02:27:08,560 --> 02:27:12,080 representative whatever that means um 3972 02:27:12,080 --> 02:27:14,399 there is not the ability to rebuild 3973 02:27:14,399 --> 02:27:16,080 other than to go through some very 3974 02:27:16,080 --> 02:27:18,560 difficult process maybe even not at all. 3975 02:27:18,560 --> 02:27:22,479 So, um Trevor or um Yolanda or anyone 3976 02:27:22,479 --> 02:27:25,680 else that has knowledge about this um 3977 02:27:25,680 --> 02:27:27,600 what is the answer? And if and if the 3978 02:27:27,600 --> 02:27:28,880 answer is we just don't have an answer 3979 02:27:28,880 --> 02:27:30,800 yet, that's fine. But I we need to get 3980 02:27:30,800 --> 02:27:33,920 this clarified 3981 02:27:33,920 --> 02:27:35,349 >> clarification. Is that just for 3982 02:27:35,349 --> 02:27:35,359 » clarification. Is that just for 3983 02:27:35,359 --> 02:27:37,280 landslides or is it okay just for 3984 02:27:37,280 --> 02:27:39,590 >> landslides? Is it having to do with like 3985 02:27:39,590 --> 02:27:39,600 » landslides? Is it having to do with like 3986 02:27:39,600 --> 02:27:40,880 for like fire rebuilds? 3987 02:27:40,880 --> 02:27:43,830 >> It it applies to any rebuild for even 3988 02:27:43,830 --> 02:27:43,840 » It it applies to any rebuild for even 3989 02:27:43,840 --> 02:27:46,880 for catastrophe in a land active 3990 02:27:46,880 --> 02:27:49,680 landslide area. So, it overrides all the 3991 02:27:49,680 --> 02:27:51,359 stuff in our municipal code and the 3992 02:27:51,359 --> 02:27:55,040 coastal act and it it cuts off a buyer 3993 02:27:55,040 --> 02:27:57,600 of property from taking advantage of the 3994 02:27:57,600 --> 02:27:58,880 rebuild ability. 3995 02:27:58,880 --> 02:27:59,990 >> So, it's not the active 3996 02:27:59,990 --> 02:28:00,000 » So, it's not the active 3997 02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:01,670 >> it's not a landslide on that particular 3998 02:28:01,670 --> 02:28:01,680 » it's not a landslide on that particular 3999 02:28:01,680 --> 02:28:04,560 property, it's a landslide area. 4000 02:28:04,560 --> 02:28:06,150 >> Okay. Maybe Yolanda can shed some light 4001 02:28:06,150 --> 02:28:06,160 » Okay. Maybe Yolanda can shed some light 4002 02:28:06,160 --> 02:28:09,040 on that. [snorts] 4003 02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:11,510 >> Yes. Good evening. Uh this comes as a 4004 02:28:11,510 --> 02:28:11,520 » Yes. Good evening. Uh this comes as a 4005 02:28:11,520 --> 02:28:14,240 section of the uh county building code 4006 02:28:14,240 --> 02:28:16,160 uh 110 4007 02:28:16,160 --> 02:28:22,080 4.2.6. six. Um, and it states that um 4008 02:28:22,080 --> 02:28:25,200 properties that are lost on the uh an in 4009 02:28:25,200 --> 02:28:28,103 an active landslide are able to rebuild 4010 02:28:28,103 --> 02:28:28,880 [applause] 4011 02:28:28,880 --> 02:28:32,640 with uh several conditions. Uh the first 4012 02:28:32,640 --> 02:28:35,439 condition is that it needs to be a like 4013 02:28:35,439 --> 02:28:37,920 for like same area, no additional 4014 02:28:37,920 --> 02:28:40,640 fixtures, no additional bedrooms. And 4015 02:28:40,640 --> 02:28:43,520 then uh another statement states and I 4016 02:28:43,520 --> 02:28:46,399 don't have that quote in front of me um 4017 02:28:46,399 --> 02:28:48,319 that the permits the building permits 4018 02:28:48,319 --> 02:28:52,880 can be issued to the property owner 4019 02:28:52,880 --> 02:28:56,319 their heirs or a authorized agent. 4020 02:28:56,319 --> 02:28:57,990 >> Yeah. Okay. 4021 02:28:57,990 --> 02:28:58,000 » Yeah. Okay. 4022 02:28:58,000 --> 02:29:05,190 >> And so that is how it's written. Um, and 4023 02:29:05,190 --> 02:29:05,200 » And so that is how it's written. Um, and 4024 02:29:05,200 --> 02:29:07,600 after the fires, we went back to the 4025 02:29:07,600 --> 02:29:10,479 county trying to get an understanding of 4026 02:29:10,479 --> 02:29:15,040 where this came from. Um, when this was 4027 02:29:15,040 --> 02:29:18,479 added to the county code, uh, it was 4028 02:29:18,479 --> 02:29:21,280 added, uh, I understand on the n in the 4029 02:29:21,280 --> 02:29:25,920 '90s after, um, an incident that 4030 02:29:25,920 --> 02:29:27,920 happened. 4031 02:29:27,920 --> 02:29:30,560 Besides that, I haven't been able to get 4032 02:29:30,560 --> 02:29:32,720 a lot of information on why it was 4033 02:29:32,720 --> 02:29:34,960 written this way. 4034 02:29:34,960 --> 02:29:38,080 So, the question from the community is 4035 02:29:38,080 --> 02:29:40,479 since it's written that only the 4036 02:29:40,479 --> 02:29:43,040 homeowner uh their heirs or the 4037 02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:46,399 authorized agent uh can we can issue the 4038 02:29:46,399 --> 02:29:48,640 building permits, can they sell the 4039 02:29:48,640 --> 02:29:53,120 land? And so that is the question. 4040 02:29:53,120 --> 02:29:57,520 um talking it over with uh Trevor, 4041 02:29:57,520 --> 02:30:00,720 we started looking at 4042 02:30:00,720 --> 02:30:02,720 first it was a concentration on helping 4043 02:30:02,720 --> 02:30:05,200 rebuild everybody that had lost the 4044 02:30:05,200 --> 02:30:07,760 property there. And so we concentrated 4045 02:30:07,760 --> 02:30:10,319 on those homeowners that wanted to do 4046 02:30:10,319 --> 02:30:13,600 like for like. Now the question comes uh 4047 02:30:13,600 --> 02:30:16,479 what if how can I sell my property if 4048 02:30:16,479 --> 02:30:20,160 I'm not able to rebuild? Um we're trying 4049 02:30:20,160 --> 02:30:22,720 to find a definition on what an 4050 02:30:22,720 --> 02:30:27,439 authorized agent um can signify for this 4051 02:30:27,439 --> 02:30:30,240 property owners. But moreover, we are 4052 02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:32,240 also seeking 4053 02:30:32,240 --> 02:30:34,640 um the assistant of the county since 4054 02:30:34,640 --> 02:30:37,120 this is a section of the county code 4055 02:30:37,120 --> 02:30:39,200 trying to have an understanding of why 4056 02:30:39,200 --> 02:30:41,920 that was written and also if there is a 4057 02:30:41,920 --> 02:30:45,040 way to change it and allow the property 4058 02:30:45,040 --> 02:30:48,720 owners to sell the property. Um, so 4059 02:30:48,720 --> 02:30:50,880 that's where we are right now. 4060 02:30:50,880 --> 02:30:52,150 >> Thank you for that, Yolanda. That and 4061 02:30:52,150 --> 02:30:52,160 » Thank you for that, Yolanda. That and 4062 02:30:52,160 --> 02:30:53,920 that's consistent with my understanding. 4063 02:30:53,920 --> 02:30:56,479 Um, so 4064 02:30:56,479 --> 02:30:58,160 I I had thought I had heard that we were 4065 02:30:58,160 --> 02:31:00,399 a little further in into it than that, 4066 02:31:00,399 --> 02:31:01,680 but that's that's actually makes sense 4067 02:31:01,680 --> 02:31:03,840 to me. So, what I'd like to do is I'd 4068 02:31:03,840 --> 02:31:05,760 like to ask for a consensus to bring 4069 02:31:05,760 --> 02:31:07,840 back an item for the council to take 4070 02:31:07,840 --> 02:31:10,479 some affirmative action that would give 4071 02:31:10,479 --> 02:31:12,880 you greater ammunition in dealing with 4072 02:31:12,880 --> 02:31:15,120 the county, whoever, because I came to 4073 02:31:15,120 --> 02:31:17,200 the conclusion myself after studying the 4074 02:31:17,200 --> 02:31:19,920 problem that um it does require some 4075 02:31:19,920 --> 02:31:21,439 kind of a legislative fix. I don't know 4076 02:31:21,439 --> 02:31:22,800 whether the governor can fix it through 4077 02:31:22,800 --> 02:31:25,040 an executive order. I doubt it actually. 4078 02:31:25,040 --> 02:31:26,800 I think it does require some kind of a 4079 02:31:26,800 --> 02:31:29,920 legislative fix. I'll be surprised if a 4080 02:31:29,920 --> 02:31:31,600 proper interpretation of the way it's 4081 02:31:31,600 --> 02:31:33,760 written now would permit a subsequent 4082 02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:36,319 owner to um take advantage of the 4083 02:31:36,319 --> 02:31:38,240 provision. So I I think it needs to be 4084 02:31:38,240 --> 02:31:41,600 addressed. I think I understand the 4085 02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:44,479 concept was I mean if you think about it 4086 02:31:44,479 --> 02:31:46,240 in an active landslide people probably 4087 02:31:46,240 --> 02:31:50,080 shouldn't build full stop. um even if 4088 02:31:50,080 --> 02:31:53,920 the house has been um destroyed, nobody 4089 02:31:53,920 --> 02:31:55,760 though had in mind that there'd be a 4090 02:31:55,760 --> 02:31:57,920 catastrophe of this nature where entire 4091 02:31:57,920 --> 02:32:01,040 neighborhoods were wiped out. And um it 4092 02:32:01,040 --> 02:32:02,560 may be that an extraordinary situation 4093 02:32:02,560 --> 02:32:04,240 of like this requires an extraordinary 4094 02:32:04,240 --> 02:32:06,160 exception to the statute that they have 4095 02:32:06,160 --> 02:32:09,200 in place. So, um, I'd like to bring this 4096 02:32:09,200 --> 02:32:11,040 back as an item where we can maybe 4097 02:32:11,040 --> 02:32:13,920 fashion a letter of support or or do 4098 02:32:13,920 --> 02:32:15,439 something or maybe authorize us to 4099 02:32:15,439 --> 02:32:17,120 affirmatively work for our lobbyists, 4100 02:32:17,120 --> 02:32:20,080 but we need to do something not to 4101 02:32:20,080 --> 02:32:22,720 define a an authorized agent as as 4102 02:32:22,720 --> 02:32:23,840 someone who buys it because I think 4103 02:32:23,840 --> 02:32:26,000 that's a silly way to address it. It's 4104 02:32:26,000 --> 02:32:27,120 kind of like the only way you can do it 4105 02:32:27,120 --> 02:32:28,720 under the existing statute, but actually 4106 02:32:28,720 --> 02:32:31,600 get the county to agree to engraft an 4107 02:32:31,600 --> 02:32:34,399 exception for the Palisades fire and 4108 02:32:34,399 --> 02:32:37,760 possibly for other wildfires. Um, so can 4109 02:32:37,760 --> 02:32:38,240 we get a 4110 02:32:38,240 --> 02:32:40,790 >> Mayor the staff would support that we 4111 02:32:40,790 --> 02:32:40,800 » Mayor the staff would support that we 4112 02:32:40,800 --> 02:32:42,560 would to bring back an item to discuss 4113 02:32:42,560 --> 02:32:43,920 it. You know, I think we could bring 4114 02:32:43,920 --> 02:32:45,439 more information and options here for 4115 02:32:45,439 --> 02:32:46,319 the council. 4116 02:32:46,319 --> 02:32:48,950 >> Yeah, and I I fully support this. Um, 4117 02:32:48,950 --> 02:32:48,960 » Yeah, and I I fully support this. Um, 4118 02:32:48,960 --> 02:32:51,439 and you know, I've reached out to the 4119 02:32:51,439 --> 02:32:53,600 county supervisor already to initiate 4120 02:32:53,600 --> 02:32:56,160 conversations about this because I do 4121 02:32:56,160 --> 02:32:57,600 think it's something at the county level 4122 02:32:57,600 --> 02:33:00,240 that we need to work, you know, one 4123 02:33:00,240 --> 02:33:03,200 looking back through all the um the 4124 02:33:03,200 --> 02:33:05,520 original reason why they put it into 4125 02:33:05,520 --> 02:33:08,319 their code and then also they've amended 4126 02:33:08,319 --> 02:33:10,960 it several times. So, what is the intent 4127 02:33:10,960 --> 02:33:13,200 of what it is it's supposed to be? So, I 4128 02:33:13,200 --> 02:33:15,359 fully support that. I'm actively, you 4129 02:33:15,359 --> 02:33:16,720 know, reaching out to the um 4130 02:33:16,720 --> 02:33:18,640 supervisor's office to also have those 4131 02:33:18,640 --> 02:33:20,560 conversations because I think it is 4132 02:33:20,560 --> 02:33:22,880 something that it's time that we get a 4133 02:33:22,880 --> 02:33:24,880 better definition and why it's there and 4134 02:33:24,880 --> 02:33:28,720 and to um put the places in so that 4135 02:33:28,720 --> 02:33:32,160 properties can be subsequently sold um 4136 02:33:32,160 --> 02:33:34,160 regardless of whether the house is 4137 02:33:34,160 --> 02:33:35,439 rebuilt or not. 4138 02:33:35,439 --> 02:33:37,590 >> Yes. Thank you, mayor. And just to uh 4139 02:33:37,590 --> 02:33:37,600 » Yes. Thank you, mayor. And just to uh 4140 02:33:37,600 --> 02:33:39,600 give credit to the mayor, uh she put us 4141 02:33:39,600 --> 02:33:43,520 in contact with Dylan Sin. uh he is the 4142 02:33:43,520 --> 02:33:46,080 regional planning deputy uh with Lindsey 4143 02:33:46,080 --> 02:33:48,560 Horvat. Uh he is trying to set up a 4144 02:33:48,560 --> 02:33:50,560 meeting with the building official from 4145 02:33:50,560 --> 02:33:52,399 the county so we can have this 4146 02:33:52,399 --> 02:33:54,960 conversation um and see how we can 4147 02:33:54,960 --> 02:33:58,240 handle this for our property owners. 4148 02:33:58,240 --> 02:34:00,710 >> If I could ask a quick question, I 4149 02:34:00,710 --> 02:34:00,720 » If I could ask a quick question, I 4150 02:34:00,720 --> 02:34:04,160 understand the point that's been posed 4151 02:34:04,160 --> 02:34:06,720 so far about uh in an active landslide, 4152 02:34:06,720 --> 02:34:08,160 but what constitutes an active 4153 02:34:08,160 --> 02:34:11,680 landslide? What what is this saying that 4154 02:34:11,680 --> 02:34:14,560 everything in Malibu is in this or is it 4155 02:34:14,560 --> 02:34:16,800 just big rock or what? It's big rock. 4156 02:34:16,800 --> 02:34:19,110 >> No. And so we're not talking about all 4157 02:34:19,110 --> 02:34:19,120 » No. And so we're not talking about all 4158 02:34:19,120 --> 02:34:22,080 those 597 properties. They don't fall 4159 02:34:22,080 --> 02:34:24,960 under this. They only uh the only 4160 02:34:24,960 --> 02:34:27,120 properties are possibly the ones that 4161 02:34:27,120 --> 02:34:30,479 are on big rock and not all of them. Uh 4162 02:34:30,479 --> 02:34:33,359 what constitute an active landslide. the 4163 02:34:33,359 --> 02:34:35,600 state of California they have the 4164 02:34:35,600 --> 02:34:39,200 mapping um assigned and and and and 4165 02:34:39,200 --> 02:34:41,840 designated what is an active landslide 4166 02:34:41,840 --> 02:34:44,000 and this is where this information come 4167 02:34:44,000 --> 02:34:48,080 from. So uh we're talking about big rock 4168 02:34:48,080 --> 02:34:51,280 170 uh 70 some properties we lost on 4169 02:34:51,280 --> 02:34:53,040 that area 4170 02:34:53,040 --> 02:34:55,600 not everybody is selling the property. 4171 02:34:55,600 --> 02:34:57,600 Uh so it's for those that are would like 4172 02:34:57,600 --> 02:35:00,479 to sell the property giving them an uh 4173 02:35:00,479 --> 02:35:02,960 the ability to sell the property. 4174 02:35:02,960 --> 02:35:04,550 >> I would think in the palisades there are 4175 02:35:04,550 --> 02:35:04,560 » I would think in the palisades there are 4176 02:35:04,560 --> 02:35:06,080 some areas that are in that active 4177 02:35:06,080 --> 02:35:07,520 lands. I know the map now that you 4178 02:35:07,520 --> 02:35:08,720 mentioned which one it is. I've seen 4179 02:35:08,720 --> 02:35:11,280 that map. Um but I would think it also 4180 02:35:11,280 --> 02:35:13,120 affects palisades. 4181 02:35:13,120 --> 02:35:14,230 >> Yes, that is correct. 4182 02:35:14,230 --> 02:35:14,240 » Yes, that is correct. 4183 02:35:14,240 --> 02:35:17,750 >> Yes. There's several areas I I I mean I 4184 02:35:17,750 --> 02:35:17,760 » Yes. There's several areas I I I mean I 4185 02:35:17,760 --> 02:35:20,160 can I can provide next time that we come 4186 02:35:20,160 --> 02:35:23,920 to that to council with what um with our 4187 02:35:23,920 --> 02:35:26,080 conversations with the county uh we can 4188 02:35:26,080 --> 02:35:30,240 provide a list of what areas within our 4189 02:35:30,240 --> 02:35:33,200 burn area are the ones affected uh by 4190 02:35:33,200 --> 02:35:34,720 this section of the code. 4191 02:35:34,720 --> 02:35:36,710 >> Yeah. This the simple solution actually 4192 02:35:36,710 --> 02:35:36,720 » Yeah. This the simple solution actually 4193 02:35:36,720 --> 02:35:38,240 it may be too broad for the county but 4194 02:35:38,240 --> 02:35:39,600 the simple solution would just be say 4195 02:35:39,600 --> 02:35:42,240 heirs successors and assigns and and 4196 02:35:42,240 --> 02:35:46,560 that would fix it completely. Harris is 4197 02:35:46,560 --> 02:35:47,830 >> I'm definitely in favor of bringing it 4198 02:35:47,830 --> 02:35:47,840 » I'm definitely in favor of bringing it 4199 02:35:47,840 --> 02:35:48,319 back. 4200 02:35:48,319 --> 02:35:50,150 >> The other issue is, as I understand it 4201 02:35:50,150 --> 02:35:50,160 » The other issue is, as I understand it 4202 02:35:50,160 --> 02:35:52,960 though, even that that provision also 4203 02:35:52,960 --> 02:35:55,840 unlike the like for like plus 10%, 4204 02:35:55,840 --> 02:35:59,600 there's no plus 10%. Is that accurate? 4205 02:35:59,600 --> 02:36:02,469 >> At the beginning of the rebuild back in 4206 02:36:02,469 --> 02:36:02,479 » At the beginning of the rebuild back in 4207 02:36:02,479 --> 02:36:04,479 uh February of this year, that was the 4208 02:36:04,479 --> 02:36:07,200 first question from uh a lot of our uh 4209 02:36:07,200 --> 02:36:09,200 property owners on that on the uh 4210 02:36:09,200 --> 02:36:12,560 landslide areas. Um 4211 02:36:12,560 --> 02:36:14,399 the building code as you know chapter 4212 02:36:14,399 --> 02:36:17,040 one stays as is that is as the 4213 02:36:17,040 --> 02:36:19,760 interpretation of the building official. 4214 02:36:19,760 --> 02:36:22,880 Back in February um I was able to write 4215 02:36:22,880 --> 02:36:25,760 a interpretation for that like for like 4216 02:36:25,760 --> 02:36:29,520 to be consistent with our planning um or 4217 02:36:29,520 --> 02:36:32,399 zoning ordinance. So we did authorize 4218 02:36:32,399 --> 02:36:35,680 that no more area also constitute that 4219 02:36:35,680 --> 02:36:38,560 like for life plus 10 to be 4220 02:36:38,560 --> 02:36:40,389 >> aligned. No more means no more than 4221 02:36:40,389 --> 02:36:40,399 » aligned. No more means no more than 4222 02:36:40,399 --> 02:36:41,200 110%. 4223 02:36:41,200 --> 02:36:42,070 >> Yes. Yes. 4224 02:36:42,070 --> 02:36:42,080 » Yes. Yes. 4225 02:36:42,080 --> 02:36:44,710 >> Good for you. Thank you. 4226 02:36:44,710 --> 02:36:44,720 » Good for you. Thank you. 4227 02:36:44,720 --> 02:36:47,190 >> All right. Those are my comments. 4228 02:36:47,190 --> 02:36:47,200 » All right. Those are my comments. 4229 02:36:47,200 --> 02:36:49,349 >> Do we have this coming back officially? 4230 02:36:49,349 --> 02:36:49,359 » Do we have this coming back officially? 4231 02:36:49,359 --> 02:36:50,070 >> Sounds like it. 4232 02:36:50,070 --> 02:36:50,080 » Sounds like it. 4233 02:36:50,080 --> 02:36:55,270 >> Okay. It sounds like consensus on that. 4234 02:36:55,270 --> 02:36:55,280 » Okay. It sounds like consensus on that. 4235 02:36:55,280 --> 02:36:55,910 >> Thank you. 4236 02:36:55,910 --> 02:36:55,920 » Thank you. 4237 02:36:55,920 --> 02:36:59,510 >> I guess I'm up. Um Rob, 4238 02:36:59,510 --> 02:36:59,520 » I guess I'm up. Um Rob, 4239 02:36:59,520 --> 02:37:02,800 sewer update for those PCH properties. 4240 02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:06,720 Um what is the latest and when's it 4241 02:37:06,720 --> 02:37:08,479 going to be before council? when are we 4242 02:37:08,479 --> 02:37:11,453 going to make a decision on that? 4243 02:37:11,453 --> 02:37:12,479 [laughter] 4244 02:37:12,479 --> 02:37:15,750 >> So, um, yeah, we're planning on bringing 4245 02:37:15,750 --> 02:37:15,760 » So, um, yeah, we're planning on bringing 4246 02:37:15,760 --> 02:37:17,760 it back on the first meeting in 4247 02:37:17,760 --> 02:37:20,160 February. I'm crossing my fingers that 4248 02:37:20,160 --> 02:37:21,680 there's a couple things that we're kind 4249 02:37:21,680 --> 02:37:23,439 of working on, but I that's kind of 4250 02:37:23,439 --> 02:37:25,840 where we're kind of landing. I I think 4251 02:37:25,840 --> 02:37:28,160 we're in good shape to kind of at least 4252 02:37:28,160 --> 02:37:29,600 have a discussion, let you know where we 4253 02:37:29,600 --> 02:37:33,120 are with that, but um, so that's that's 4254 02:37:33,120 --> 02:37:36,080 that's where we are with the PCA sewer. 4255 02:37:36,080 --> 02:37:38,550 >> Great. Yeah, that definitely just to let 4256 02:37:38,550 --> 02:37:38,560 » Great. Yeah, that definitely just to let 4257 02:37:38,560 --> 02:37:40,319 everybody know we're keeping their foot 4258 02:37:40,319 --> 02:37:42,560 on the gas on that one so that people 4259 02:37:42,560 --> 02:37:44,479 can know whether or not that's a a real 4260 02:37:44,479 --> 02:37:48,640 possibility or if repair andor uh reuse 4261 02:37:48,640 --> 02:37:50,560 of their existing septic and and all 4262 02:37:50,560 --> 02:37:51,280 that's [clears throat] going to be their 4263 02:37:51,280 --> 02:37:55,200 option. Um so every time we have 4264 02:37:55,200 --> 02:37:57,840 Sergeant Sodeland is here. Is it 4265 02:37:57,840 --> 02:38:03,200 possible to ask CHP? I know they um give 4266 02:38:03,200 --> 02:38:05,040 an update to the public safety 4267 02:38:05,040 --> 02:38:08,479 commission on their work. Um would it be 4268 02:38:08,479 --> 02:38:10,080 possible to maybe ask if they could 4269 02:38:10,080 --> 02:38:11,920 attend 4270 02:38:11,920 --> 02:38:14,720 um one of our council meetings and give 4271 02:38:14,720 --> 02:38:16,640 us an an update of the work that they're 4272 02:38:16,640 --> 02:38:21,120 doing um on a you know even just once a 4273 02:38:21,120 --> 02:38:23,600 month basis so we can hear from them on 4274 02:38:23,600 --> 02:38:26,080 the the work that they're doing since 4275 02:38:26,080 --> 02:38:30,055 they've been here now what two years. 4276 02:38:30,055 --> 02:38:31,760 [laughter] 4277 02:38:31,760 --> 02:38:34,870 >> Okay great thank you very much. Um, and 4278 02:38:34,870 --> 02:38:34,880 » Okay great thank you very much. Um, and 4279 02:38:34,880 --> 02:38:36,319 then the other thing that's come up 4280 02:38:36,319 --> 02:38:38,240 that, you know, kind of going off on 4281 02:38:38,240 --> 02:38:39,760 some of the stuff that Bruce was asking 4282 02:38:39,760 --> 02:38:42,479 for, um, 4283 02:38:42,479 --> 02:38:45,280 it seems like historically we we've just 4284 02:38:45,280 --> 02:38:48,160 been kind of living with the, uh, 4285 02:38:48,160 --> 02:38:51,280 geological information in Big Rock and 4286 02:38:51,280 --> 02:38:53,439 it's been, I think, quite some time 4287 02:38:53,439 --> 02:38:56,880 since we've had a comprehensive 4288 02:38:56,880 --> 02:39:00,080 um, report done on the activity of the 4289 02:39:00,080 --> 02:39:03,439 landslide. the 4290 02:39:03,439 --> 02:39:07,680 um [sighs] dewatering wells. Um 4291 02:39:07,680 --> 02:39:13,600 could we initiate a a report of you know 4292 02:39:13,600 --> 02:39:15,840 what is the status of that landslide 4293 02:39:15,840 --> 02:39:18,640 now? Is it active? Is it dormant? Have 4294 02:39:18,640 --> 02:39:21,600 the dewatering wells worked? um just get 4295 02:39:21,600 --> 02:39:25,120 a so we just have an updated 4296 02:39:25,120 --> 02:39:27,120 comprehensive overview and not just 4297 02:39:27,120 --> 02:39:29,520 going on 30 or 40 years worth of 4298 02:39:29,520 --> 02:39:31,280 information. 4299 02:39:31,280 --> 02:39:35,590 >> So uh so we have our our landsite 4300 02:39:35,590 --> 02:39:35,600 » So uh so we have our our landsite 4301 02:39:35,600 --> 02:39:38,560 assessment consultant that actually does 4302 02:39:38,560 --> 02:39:42,800 all the monitoring and um and operations 4303 02:39:42,800 --> 02:39:45,520 of of Big Rock. They can go over the 4304 02:39:45,520 --> 02:39:47,760 data. they can go over kind of what 4305 02:39:47,760 --> 02:39:49,760 they've done and we can kind of go over 4306 02:39:49,760 --> 02:39:54,000 really kind of all the work um our staff 4307 02:39:54,000 --> 02:39:56,960 has been done to replace 4308 02:39:56,960 --> 02:39:58,560 probably majority of the equipment 4309 02:39:58,560 --> 02:40:00,479 that's out there from the from the from 4310 02:40:00,479 --> 02:40:03,439 the Palisades fire. So we can provide an 4311 02:40:03,439 --> 02:40:05,359 update if if that works with that or you 4312 02:40:05,359 --> 02:40:06,800 looking for 4313 02:40:06,800 --> 02:40:08,070 >> I think I'm looking for a little bit 4314 02:40:08,070 --> 02:40:08,080 » I think I'm looking for a little bit 4315 02:40:08,080 --> 02:40:09,680 more comprehensive. I think that's a 4316 02:40:09,680 --> 02:40:13,120 portion of it. Um, but and I don't 4317 02:40:13,120 --> 02:40:15,280 expect this to be done in a quick I mean 4318 02:40:15,280 --> 02:40:16,399 I think this is something that we're 4319 02:40:16,399 --> 02:40:19,680 going to have to do an RFP for and you 4320 02:40:19,680 --> 02:40:21,520 know do a comprehensive thing but I 4321 02:40:21,520 --> 02:40:22,960 think that there's a lot of questions 4322 02:40:22,960 --> 02:40:25,520 out there as to just how active that 4323 02:40:25,520 --> 02:40:28,880 landslide is. Is it you know is it still 4324 02:40:28,880 --> 02:40:31,760 mapped with the state of California and 4325 02:40:31,760 --> 02:40:33,359 should it still be mapped? Are there 4326 02:40:33,359 --> 02:40:35,359 things that should be so we just get 4327 02:40:35,359 --> 02:40:37,359 more information about 4328 02:40:37,359 --> 02:40:40,150 >> Yeah. So I I will get with director 4329 02:40:40,150 --> 02:40:40,160 » Yeah. So I I will get with director 4330 02:40:40,160 --> 02:40:41,520 Bundy and I will kind of look to 4331 02:40:41,520 --> 02:40:43,680 strategize on how we can provide that 4332 02:40:43,680 --> 02:40:45,840 information and see how steps we can do 4333 02:40:45,840 --> 02:40:48,720 for that too. But the easiest thing is 4334 02:40:48,720 --> 02:40:51,520 to get an update from our uh consultant 4335 02:40:51,520 --> 02:40:54,399 that's actually doing the monitoring and 4336 02:40:54,399 --> 02:40:56,880 operating of the big rock deatering and 4337 02:40:56,880 --> 02:40:58,399 we can we can provide that. 4338 02:40:58,399 --> 02:41:02,230 >> Is that y and associates? Ye no ye 4339 02:41:02,230 --> 02:41:02,240 » Is that y and associates? Ye no ye 4340 02:41:02,240 --> 02:41:03,030 >> it's like 4341 02:41:03,030 --> 02:41:03,040 » it's like 4342 02:41:03,040 --> 02:41:03,990 >> what's yay 4343 02:41:03,990 --> 02:41:04,000 » what's yay 4344 02:41:04,000 --> 02:41:05,830 >> yay yay and associates because I went to 4345 02:41:05,830 --> 02:41:05,840 » yay yay and associates because I went to 4346 02:41:05,840 --> 02:41:07,760 a meeting recently. Well, not recently, 4347 02:41:07,760 --> 02:41:09,200 but it might have been like a few months 4348 02:41:09,200 --> 02:41:10,720 ago where they did a presentation and 4349 02:41:10,720 --> 02:41:12,800 talked about the dewatering and the 4350 02:41:12,800 --> 02:41:14,880 successes and I think it was public 4351 02:41:14,880 --> 02:41:17,280 works. Um, but it might be good to have 4352 02:41:17,280 --> 02:41:18,960 that here cuz 4353 02:41:18,960 --> 02:41:20,070 >> I would also like 4354 02:41:20,070 --> 02:41:20,080 » I would also like 4355 02:41:20,080 --> 02:41:22,070 >> But how does that work within the whole 4356 02:41:22,070 --> 02:41:22,080 » But how does that work within the whole 4357 02:41:22,080 --> 02:41:24,240 comprehensive? So, when the geologists 4358 02:41:24,240 --> 02:41:25,760 are looking at a house that's being 4359 02:41:25,760 --> 02:41:28,720 built or in this case the rebuild of 4360 02:41:28,720 --> 02:41:29,920 over a hundred homes, 4361 02:41:29,920 --> 02:41:31,270 >> it it's it's a little bit more 4362 02:41:31,270 --> 02:41:31,280 » it it's it's a little bit more 4363 02:41:31,280 --> 02:41:32,399 complicated than that. That's something 4364 02:41:32,399 --> 02:41:33,840 that Yolanda and I will have to look 4365 02:41:33,840 --> 02:41:36,160 into and kind of strategize on how it 4366 02:41:36,160 --> 02:41:38,160 how we can present that information and 4367 02:41:38,160 --> 02:41:40,640 have a path forward on get you that what 4368 02:41:40,640 --> 02:41:41,359 you're looking for. 4369 02:41:41,359 --> 02:41:43,030 >> So, do we do do the other council 4370 02:41:43,030 --> 02:41:43,040 » So, do we do do the other council 4371 02:41:43,040 --> 02:41:44,479 members agree that that's something I 4372 02:41:44,479 --> 02:41:46,240 think that the city should initiate so 4373 02:41:46,240 --> 02:41:48,080 that we just have a more upto-date 4374 02:41:48,080 --> 02:41:50,309 >> I'd like that picture of what especially 4375 02:41:50,309 --> 02:41:50,319 » I'd like that picture of what especially 4376 02:41:50,319 --> 02:41:52,160 if we're going to be discussing this 4377 02:41:52,160 --> 02:41:55,359 council um authorized in a landslide 4378 02:41:55,359 --> 02:41:57,200 area. I need to understand what is an 4379 02:41:57,200 --> 02:41:58,880 active landslide. I've heard over and 4380 02:41:58,880 --> 02:42:00,720 over that it's not an active landslide. 4381 02:42:00,720 --> 02:42:02,399 What I heard from Yolanda though, and 4382 02:42:02,399 --> 02:42:04,720 maybe I misunderstood, was it this isn't 4383 02:42:04,720 --> 02:42:06,960 really a factbased question. There's a 4384 02:42:06,960 --> 02:42:09,439 map. It's the legal definition of the 4385 02:42:09,439 --> 02:42:11,439 landslide area for purposes of the code 4386 02:42:11,439 --> 02:42:13,359 is what the state tells us. So unless 4387 02:42:13,359 --> 02:42:14,960 the state is convinced to change its 4388 02:42:14,960 --> 02:42:17,040 maps, we're stuck with that designation 4389 02:42:17,040 --> 02:42:18,319 just like the very high fire hazard 4390 02:42:18,319 --> 02:42:19,760 severity zone. 4391 02:42:19,760 --> 02:42:20,550 >> Is that accurate? 4392 02:42:20,550 --> 02:42:20,560 » Is that accurate? 4393 02:42:20,560 --> 02:42:22,950 >> Yeah, that is correct. the uh the state 4394 02:42:22,950 --> 02:42:22,960 » Yeah, that is correct. the uh the state 4395 02:42:22,960 --> 02:42:24,800 of California has their own geologists 4396 02:42:24,800 --> 02:42:26,800 that do all the mapping for the state of 4397 02:42:26,800 --> 02:42:29,840 California on the all the geohazardous 4398 02:42:29,840 --> 02:42:32,560 uh areas and that's how it functions. I 4399 02:42:32,560 --> 02:42:35,840 will have to go back and and and see how 4400 02:42:35,840 --> 02:42:41,520 can the map be changed if it what is the 4401 02:42:41,520 --> 02:42:43,200 possibilities or 4402 02:42:43,200 --> 02:42:44,710 >> well you you shouldn't need to do that. 4403 02:42:44,710 --> 02:42:44,720 » well you you shouldn't need to do that. 4404 02:42:44,720 --> 02:42:45,840 That's probably something our council 4405 02:42:45,840 --> 02:42:47,600 can do. That's a legal question of can 4406 02:42:47,600 --> 02:42:49,439 the map be changed and if so under what 4407 02:42:49,439 --> 02:42:51,439 circumstances? I just think I've heard 4408 02:42:51,439 --> 02:42:54,800 for the past year that it's not a 4409 02:42:54,800 --> 02:42:57,670 >> it's not a landslide area and the 4410 02:42:57,670 --> 02:42:57,680 » it's not a landslide area and the 4411 02:42:57,680 --> 02:42:59,200 residents seem to be very passionate 4412 02:42:59,200 --> 02:43:01,120 about that and so I've been going with 4413 02:43:01,120 --> 02:43:02,880 it because I just assume that we all did 4414 02:43:02,880 --> 02:43:04,960 our due diligence. But if I'm hearing 4415 02:43:04,960 --> 02:43:07,840 now that we are questioning it, maybe 4416 02:43:07,840 --> 02:43:08,880 it's good to have those answers. 4417 02:43:08,880 --> 02:43:10,710 >> I said it's, you know, this is not an 4418 02:43:10,710 --> 02:43:10,720 » I said it's, you know, this is not an 4419 02:43:10,720 --> 02:43:13,439 unusual situation in the law. We it 4420 02:43:13,439 --> 02:43:15,439 really isn't whether factually we agree 4421 02:43:15,439 --> 02:43:17,120 or disagree with it. It's whether it's 4422 02:43:17,120 --> 02:43:18,960 mapped as such. So, we [clears throat] 4423 02:43:18,960 --> 02:43:20,880 need to deal with the state and get them 4424 02:43:20,880 --> 02:43:23,200 to not map it as such if it's really not 4425 02:43:23,200 --> 02:43:24,479 properly mapped. 4426 02:43:24,479 --> 02:43:25,110 >> Okay. 4427 02:43:25,110 --> 02:43:25,120 » Okay. 4428 02:43:25,120 --> 02:43:27,270 >> But to your point, I think if you go 4429 02:43:27,270 --> 02:43:27,280 » But to your point, I think if you go 4430 02:43:27,280 --> 02:43:28,960 back, this is where we have conflict 4431 02:43:28,960 --> 02:43:30,880 about what constitutes a slide area 4432 02:43:30,880 --> 02:43:32,399 because you go back two years ago and 4433 02:43:32,399 --> 02:43:34,160 the same homeowners in Big Rock were 4434 02:43:34,160 --> 02:43:35,920 saying it was an active slide area. 4435 02:43:35,920 --> 02:43:36,230 >> Right. 4436 02:43:36,230 --> 02:43:36,240 » Right. 4437 02:43:36,240 --> 02:43:37,990 >> Now, they say it's not, but yet the 4438 02:43:37,990 --> 02:43:38,000 » Now, they say it's not, but yet the 4439 02:43:38,000 --> 02:43:39,920 state maps say something else. So, we've 4440 02:43:39,920 --> 02:43:41,520 got to we've got we got to see what 4441 02:43:41,520 --> 02:43:42,479 we're dealing with here. 4442 02:43:42,479 --> 02:43:43,670 >> They were making the argument for 4443 02:43:43,670 --> 02:43:43,680 » They were making the argument for 4444 02:43:43,680 --> 02:43:45,520 purposes of local zoning decisions, 4445 02:43:45,520 --> 02:43:47,840 which we have discretion over. this is a 4446 02:43:47,840 --> 02:43:49,680 state law issue. We need to get we need 4447 02:43:49,680 --> 02:43:52,880 to have the state map examined. 4448 02:43:52,880 --> 02:43:55,200 So, I mean at the very least maybe we 4449 02:43:55,200 --> 02:43:56,720 need to have a little bit more education 4450 02:43:56,720 --> 02:43:59,520 of how this is determined, what the 4451 02:43:59,520 --> 02:44:02,319 steps are and um 4452 02:44:02,319 --> 02:44:05,910 >> yeah um we can um if council agrees with 4453 02:44:05,910 --> 02:44:05,920 » yeah um we can um if council agrees with 4454 02:44:05,920 --> 02:44:09,359 this, we can have our new geotechnical 4455 02:44:09,359 --> 02:44:11,760 firm uh do a presentation for council on 4456 02:44:11,760 --> 02:44:16,240 how the maps are uh established uh and 4457 02:44:16,240 --> 02:44:18,240 show you 4458 02:44:18,240 --> 02:44:23,680 um how those how those came about and 4459 02:44:23,680 --> 02:44:26,160 try to get information on how if those 4460 02:44:26,160 --> 02:44:28,479 maps can be changed 4461 02:44:28,479 --> 02:44:30,230 >> and then along with the other local 4462 02:44:30,230 --> 02:44:30,240 » and then along with the other local 4463 02:44:30,240 --> 02:44:31,920 information from the dewatering. 4464 02:44:31,920 --> 02:44:34,230 >> Yeah. Let's just Yeah. Let Yolana and I 4465 02:44:34,230 --> 02:44:34,240 » Yeah. Let's just Yeah. Let Yolana and I 4466 02:44:34,240 --> 02:44:35,120 kind of get together and we'll 4467 02:44:35,120 --> 02:44:36,319 strategize on how we can do. 4468 02:44:36,319 --> 02:44:38,070 >> Yeah. So, so even it's just an 4469 02:44:38,070 --> 02:44:38,080 » Yeah. So, so even it's just an 4470 02:44:38,080 --> 02:44:40,800 educational workshop so that ourselves 4471 02:44:40,800 --> 02:44:43,359 and the community can better understand 4472 02:44:43,359 --> 02:44:46,630 >> how this is designated and what goes 4473 02:44:46,630 --> 02:44:46,640 » how this is designated and what goes 4474 02:44:46,640 --> 02:44:49,439 into this decision and if it's still 4475 02:44:49,439 --> 02:44:51,760 applicable or you know if a slide could 4476 02:44:51,760 --> 02:44:54,560 be mitigated into no longer being a 4477 02:44:54,560 --> 02:44:58,319 hazard I guess is kind of I don't know. 4478 02:44:58,319 --> 02:45:02,880 Okay, I've said enough. All right, 4479 02:45:02,880 --> 02:45:04,160 that concludes. 4480 02:45:04,160 --> 02:45:06,790 >> I have two more points if Do you have 4481 02:45:06,790 --> 02:45:06,800 » I have two more points if Do you have 4482 02:45:06,800 --> 02:45:09,279 Sorry. Um I'd like to propose a council 4483 02:45:09,279 --> 02:45:11,600 item for who can attend the zone captain 4484 02:45:11,600 --> 02:45:13,920 meetings so that we can put this to rest 4485 02:45:13,920 --> 02:45:16,560 for the future. Um because I believe 4486 02:45:16,560 --> 02:45:18,319 that there's a Brown Act issue if more 4487 02:45:18,319 --> 02:45:23,520 than two attend. So how should we go 4488 02:45:23,520 --> 02:45:27,190 about that? 4489 02:45:27,200 --> 02:45:29,040 » Consult our city attorney. You can just 4490 02:45:29,040 --> 02:45:30,319 set an item and then we can have a 4491 02:45:30,319 --> 02:45:34,000 discussion at the at the 4492 02:45:34,000 --> 02:45:35,439 with the whole council and you guys can 4493 02:45:35,439 --> 02:45:38,800 decide who's going to attend. 4494 02:45:38,800 --> 02:45:41,110 >> Great. Well, I think that you know is 4495 02:45:41,110 --> 02:45:41,120 » Great. Well, I think that you know is 4496 02:45:41,120 --> 02:45:43,439 there a question? Is it a Brown Act? 4497 02:45:43,439 --> 02:45:45,349 >> Yes, it's a those are city meetings. 4498 02:45:45,349 --> 02:45:45,359 » Yes, it's a those are city meetings. 4499 02:45:45,359 --> 02:45:46,640 They they cannot have more than two 4500 02:45:46,640 --> 02:45:47,920 council members present. 4501 02:45:47,920 --> 02:45:50,710 >> Okay. [clears throat] 4502 02:45:50,720 --> 02:45:51,120 » Okay. 4503 02:45:51,120 --> 02:45:52,550 >> Just for what it's worth, I mean, I was 4504 02:45:52,550 --> 02:45:52,560 » Just for what it's worth, I mean, I was 4505 02:45:52,560 --> 02:45:53,200 going 4506 02:45:53,200 --> 02:45:55,510 >> I was going and and 4507 02:45:55,510 --> 02:45:55,520 » I was going and and 4508 02:45:55,520 --> 02:45:57,680 then H jumped in. So, I'm going to let 4509 02:45:57,680 --> 02:46:00,479 her go. You got them. I I'll pass. I go 4510 02:46:00,479 --> 02:46:00,800 to the 4511 02:46:00,800 --> 02:46:01,910 >> We could also do a rotation. 4512 02:46:01,910 --> 02:46:01,920 » We could also do a rotation. 4513 02:46:01,920 --> 02:46:03,110 >> I got other things I can do. 4514 02:46:03,110 --> 02:46:03,120 » I got other things I can do. 4515 02:46:03,120 --> 02:46:04,550 >> I think consistency is really important 4516 02:46:04,550 --> 02:46:04,560 » I think consistency is really important 4517 02:46:04,560 --> 02:46:05,600 on those things. 4518 02:46:05,600 --> 02:46:07,349 >> Okay. Well, thanks then. 4519 02:46:07,349 --> 02:46:07,359 » Okay. Well, thanks then. 4520 02:46:07,359 --> 02:46:08,710 >> I will. 4521 02:46:08,710 --> 02:46:08,720 » I will. 4522 02:46:08,720 --> 02:46:10,309 >> Do we have to memorialize that or put 4523 02:46:10,309 --> 02:46:10,319 » Do we have to memorialize that or put 4524 02:46:10,319 --> 02:46:11,439 that in writing or 4525 02:46:11,439 --> 02:46:13,429 >> is there consensus from the council that 4526 02:46:13,429 --> 02:46:13,439 » is there consensus from the council that 4527 02:46:13,439 --> 02:46:15,359 you'd wish to bring back an item? 4528 02:46:15,359 --> 02:46:17,510 >> Not if we've just decided, which I feel 4529 02:46:17,510 --> 02:46:17,520 » Not if we've just decided, which I feel 4530 02:46:17,520 --> 02:46:19,439 like we have, unless we have to vote on 4531 02:46:19,439 --> 02:46:22,399 it. But 4532 02:46:22,399 --> 02:46:23,670 >> um 4533 02:46:23,670 --> 02:46:23,680 » um 4534 02:46:23,680 --> 02:46:26,710 >> sounds to me like the it always is the 4535 02:46:26,710 --> 02:46:26,720 » sounds to me like the it always is the 4536 02:46:26,720 --> 02:46:29,040 case that two people can go and the 4537 02:46:29,040 --> 02:46:30,720 issue was just resolved by Steve. 4538 02:46:30,720 --> 02:46:32,150 >> I agree. I think it's I [clears throat] 4539 02:46:32,150 --> 02:46:32,160 » I agree. I think it's I [clears throat] 4540 02:46:32,160 --> 02:46:33,680 I feel good about that. 4541 02:46:33,680 --> 02:46:35,830 >> Yeah, there's no council action but if 4542 02:46:35,830 --> 02:46:35,840 » Yeah, there's no council action but if 4543 02:46:35,840 --> 02:46:37,439 if council member hearing is not 4544 02:46:37,439 --> 02:46:38,960 attending then there isn't an issue, no 4545 02:46:38,960 --> 02:46:40,000 need to bring it back. 4546 02:46:40,000 --> 02:46:42,150 >> And the captains are uh meetings are 4547 02:46:42,150 --> 02:46:42,160 » And the captains are uh meetings are 4548 02:46:42,160 --> 02:46:44,800 happening every Wednesday uh from 3 to 4549 02:46:44,800 --> 02:46:47,120 4, sometimes from 3:00 to 5:00. So, now 4550 02:46:47,120 --> 02:46:49,600 that we have the decision from council, 4551 02:46:49,600 --> 02:46:52,479 we will make sure to uh invite uh 4552 02:46:52,479 --> 02:46:54,880 council member Conrad and Mayor uh 4553 02:46:54,880 --> 02:46:55,600 Riggins. 4554 02:46:55,600 --> 02:46:56,070 >> Thank you. 4555 02:46:56,070 --> 02:46:56,080 » Thank you. 4556 02:46:56,080 --> 02:46:57,590 >> Thank you. 4557 02:46:57,590 --> 02:46:57,600 » Thank you. 4558 02:46:57,600 --> 02:47:00,230 >> Can't we just can't we just uh separate? 4559 02:47:00,230 --> 02:47:00,240 » Can't we just can't we just uh separate? 4560 02:47:00,240 --> 02:47:02,160 It's a public meeting. I thought we were 4561 02:47:02,160 --> 02:47:05,200 able to to audience. 4562 02:47:05,200 --> 02:47:06,230 >> If you're going to have three council 4563 02:47:06,230 --> 02:47:06,240 » If you're going to have three council 4564 02:47:06,240 --> 02:47:07,359 members participating in that, we would 4565 02:47:07,359 --> 02:47:08,960 need to go notice it as a special 4566 02:47:08,960 --> 02:47:09,680 meeting. 4567 02:47:09,680 --> 02:47:11,750 >> Even though we're spread out in the 4568 02:47:11,750 --> 02:47:11,760 » Even though we're spread out in the 4569 02:47:11,760 --> 02:47:13,510 >> they're not talking and not even 4570 02:47:13,510 --> 02:47:13,520 » they're not talking and not even 4571 02:47:13,520 --> 02:47:15,600 discussing anything with each other. 4572 02:47:15,600 --> 02:47:17,359 It doesn't fall under a ceremonial 4573 02:47:17,359 --> 02:47:19,600 exception. It's not a um community 4574 02:47:19,600 --> 02:47:20,720 meeting put on by a third party 4575 02:47:20,720 --> 02:47:21,120 organization. 4576 02:47:21,120 --> 02:47:22,550 >> It's not another notice commission 4577 02:47:22,550 --> 02:47:22,560 » It's not another notice commission 4578 02:47:22,560 --> 02:47:24,720 meeting which would fall under the Brown 4579 02:47:24,720 --> 02:47:25,760 Act as well. 4580 02:47:25,760 --> 02:47:27,830 >> So there's anytime you have three 4581 02:47:27,830 --> 02:47:27,840 » So there's anytime you have three 4582 02:47:27,840 --> 02:47:29,920 council members present discussing city 4583 02:47:29,920 --> 02:47:31,200 business, it's a meeting under the Brown 4584 02:47:31,200 --> 02:47:32,560 Act unless an exception applies and 4585 02:47:32,560 --> 02:47:33,920 there's not an exception that apply to 4586 02:47:33,920 --> 02:47:37,279 this. This is a city organized um uh 4587 02:47:37,279 --> 02:47:38,080 meeting. 4588 02:47:38,080 --> 02:47:39,190 >> Okay. Thank you. 4589 02:47:39,190 --> 02:47:39,200 » Okay. Thank you. 4590 02:47:39,200 --> 02:47:42,150 >> Um one last thing, do we have consensus? 4591 02:47:42,150 --> 02:47:42,160 » Um one last thing, do we have consensus? 4592 02:47:42,160 --> 02:47:44,160 Should we put on the next agenda the 4593 02:47:44,160 --> 02:47:46,560 mobile home park? I mean, there's been a 4594 02:47:46,560 --> 02:47:48,880 lot of back and forth with some of the 4595 02:47:48,880 --> 02:47:50,800 mobile the residents that live in the 4596 02:47:50,800 --> 02:47:51,840 mobile home park because there's a 4597 02:47:51,840 --> 02:47:54,640 meeting on Thursday at 1:30, but if 4598 02:47:54,640 --> 02:47:55,840 there's something that they've decided, 4599 02:47:55,840 --> 02:47:57,760 we can talk about it at the next meeting 4600 02:47:57,760 --> 02:47:59,600 for council. 4601 02:47:59,600 --> 02:48:01,830 >> Well, can't the the head of that 4602 02:48:01,830 --> 02:48:01,840 » Well, can't the the head of that 4603 02:48:01,840 --> 02:48:03,120 commission just come and give us a 4604 02:48:03,120 --> 02:48:04,399 report? 4605 02:48:04,399 --> 02:48:07,590 >> Yeah. So yeah, we have an item coming in 4606 02:48:07,590 --> 02:48:07,600 » Yeah. So yeah, we have an item coming in 4607 02:48:07,600 --> 02:48:10,240 the first meeting in February for for 4608 02:48:10,240 --> 02:48:12,640 that for a revised or ordinance. 4609 02:48:12,640 --> 02:48:13,030 >> Okay. 4610 02:48:13,030 --> 02:48:13,040 » Okay. 4611 02:48:13,040 --> 02:48:14,150 >> So that's coming. 4612 02:48:14,150 --> 02:48:14,160 » So that's coming. 4613 02:48:14,160 --> 02:48:15,990 >> Great. Thank you. 4614 02:48:15,990 --> 02:48:16,000 » Great. Thank you. 4615 02:48:16,000 --> 02:48:16,710 >> That's it. 4616 02:48:16,710 --> 02:48:16,720 » That's it. 4617 02:48:16,720 --> 02:48:18,309 >> Okay. Does that conclude council 4618 02:48:18,309 --> 02:48:18,319 » Okay. Does that conclude council 4619 02:48:18,319 --> 02:48:19,760 comments? 4620 02:48:19,760 --> 02:48:21,670 >> Do we want a break before we dive into 4621 02:48:21,670 --> 02:48:21,680 » Do we want a break before we dive into 4622 02:48:21,680 --> 02:48:23,040 AA? 4623 02:48:23,040 --> 02:48:25,429 >> Okay. So we're going to take Let's be 4624 02:48:25,429 --> 02:48:25,439 » Okay. So we're going to take Let's be 4625 02:48:25,439 --> 02:48:28,319 back here at 8:25, please. 4626 02:48:28,319 --> 02:48:29,030 >> Thank you. 4627 02:48:29,030 --> 02:48:29,040 » Thank you. 4628 02:48:29,040 --> 02:48:31,110 >> Well, yeah. 4629 02:48:31,110 --> 02:48:31,120 » Well, yeah. 4630 02:48:31,120 --> 02:48:32,790 >> Always go over. Let's actually be back 4631 02:48:32,790 --> 02:48:32,800 » Always go over. Let's actually be back 4632 02:48:32,800 --> 03:06:00,710 here at 8:25. 4633 03:06:00,720 --> 03:06:04,080 Okay, we're back. Um, 4634 03:06:04,080 --> 03:06:05,920 from our amended agenda, we're on to 4635 03:06:05,920 --> 03:06:11,110 item 8A. 4636 03:06:11,120 --> 03:06:13,760 So, 4637 03:06:13,760 --> 03:06:17,439 who's giving the presentation? 4638 03:06:17,439 --> 03:06:20,469 >> Bruce A. Hala. Okay, 4639 03:06:20,469 --> 03:06:20,479 » Bruce A. Hala. Okay, 4640 03:06:20,479 --> 03:06:21,830 >> Bruce. 4641 03:06:21,830 --> 03:06:21,840 » Bruce. 4642 03:06:21,840 --> 03:06:23,990 >> Sure. [laughter] 4643 03:06:23,990 --> 03:06:24,000 » Sure. [laughter] 4644 03:06:24,000 --> 03:06:26,640 Wish I had actually done a PowerPoint. 4645 03:06:26,640 --> 03:06:28,560 Okay, so 4646 03:06:28,560 --> 03:06:30,479 I'm hoping the council have all read 4647 03:06:30,479 --> 03:06:33,760 this. I know that the residents have. 4648 03:06:33,760 --> 03:06:37,279 Um, this is a proposal to adopt a city 4649 03:06:37,279 --> 03:06:39,439 council resolution 4650 03:06:39,439 --> 03:06:41,680 that will formalize 4651 03:06:41,680 --> 03:06:43,520 many of the policies that I think we've 4652 03:06:43,520 --> 03:06:47,359 informally already um, put into place as 4653 03:06:47,359 --> 03:06:49,920 well as put some um, additional meat on 4654 03:06:49,920 --> 03:06:52,399 their bones. Um, so I'll just walk 4655 03:06:52,399 --> 03:06:54,399 through them. I mean it starts off with 4656 03:06:54,399 --> 03:06:57,760 a just a general statement of policy 4657 03:06:57,760 --> 03:07:00,240 which is which I think we all agree on 4658 03:07:00,240 --> 03:07:02,720 which that we declare and by the way 4659 03:07:02,720 --> 03:07:05,120 this will not just be for the fires that 4660 03:07:05,120 --> 03:07:07,520 have occurred. This will be a policy of 4661 03:07:07,520 --> 03:07:10,640 the city of Malibu going forward unless 4662 03:07:10,640 --> 03:07:12,560 and until a future if we adopt it unless 4663 03:07:12,560 --> 03:07:14,240 and until a future city council were to 4664 03:07:14,240 --> 03:07:16,880 change it uh for dealing with um 4665 03:07:16,880 --> 03:07:19,439 casualties mass natural casualties of 4666 03:07:19,439 --> 03:07:22,560 this type. So it says, "We declare it to 4667 03:07:22,560 --> 03:07:25,040 be the policy of the city of Malibu to 4668 03:07:25,040 --> 03:07:27,279 facilitate the expeditious, efficient, 4669 03:07:27,279 --> 03:07:29,439 and economical rebuild of all structures 4670 03:07:29,439 --> 03:07:32,240 in the city destroyed or materially 4671 03:07:32,240 --> 03:07:35,359 damaged by wildfire, earthquake which is 4672 03:07:35,359 --> 03:07:38,880 yet to come, flood, landslide, mudslide 4673 03:07:38,880 --> 03:07:41,359 or similar disaster. 4674 03:07:41,359 --> 03:07:43,840 key now in substantially the same loca 4675 03:07:43,840 --> 03:07:46,000 in in substantially the same location as 4676 03:07:46,000 --> 03:07:48,000 the destroyed or damaged structure and 4677 03:07:48,000 --> 03:07:49,680 in a like forlike manner that does not 4678 03:07:49,680 --> 03:07:53,279 exceed 10% of the area height or bulk of 4679 03:07:53,279 --> 03:07:54,880 the structure destroyed or materially 4680 03:07:54,880 --> 03:07:58,640 damaged. So this is this is basically um 4681 03:07:58,640 --> 03:08:01,680 memorializing as a city council policy 4682 03:08:01,680 --> 03:08:04,479 that we want when there are disasters of 4683 03:08:04,479 --> 03:08:07,840 this nature to see rebuilds in a lake 4684 03:08:07,840 --> 03:08:10,240 like forlike manner. um and we want to 4685 03:08:10,240 --> 03:08:12,080 encourage them to be able to be done in 4686 03:08:12,080 --> 03:08:14,160 an efficient, expeditious and economical 4687 03:08:14,160 --> 03:08:15,680 manner. 4688 03:08:15,680 --> 03:08:17,920 So then we get into what what are we 4689 03:08:17,920 --> 03:08:19,439 going to do pursuant to that policy if 4690 03:08:19,439 --> 03:08:22,399 we adopt it. First of all, we're going 4691 03:08:22,399 --> 03:08:26,240 to ensure that nobody that works for the 4692 03:08:26,240 --> 03:08:29,200 city directly or or as an outsider is 4693 03:08:29,200 --> 03:08:31,120 going to impose any requirements that 4694 03:08:31,120 --> 03:08:34,319 aren't in the law. So, um, and and a 4695 03:08:34,319 --> 03:08:36,479 great example of that is you remember we 4696 03:08:36,479 --> 03:08:39,120 we spent a lot of time dealing with what 4697 03:08:39,120 --> 03:08:41,600 is going to be the base elevation on the 4698 03:08:41,600 --> 03:08:44,960 beach. And we did a lot of um back and 4699 03:08:44,960 --> 03:08:47,359 forth with staff and experts and we came 4700 03:08:47,359 --> 03:08:49,760 to the understanding that the only 4701 03:08:49,760 --> 03:08:52,720 applicable law outside of uh the only 4702 03:08:52,720 --> 03:08:54,640 applicable law was it had to be FEMA 4703 03:08:54,640 --> 03:08:56,560 plus one. I guess one could argue that 4704 03:08:56,560 --> 03:08:58,000 wasn't even the law, but that that was 4705 03:08:58,000 --> 03:09:00,479 the only applicable restriction that was 4706 03:09:00,479 --> 03:09:02,479 other than something we would make up. 4707 03:09:02,479 --> 03:09:04,160 There was no other federal, state, 4708 03:09:04,160 --> 03:09:06,800 county, or city law in place that would 4709 03:09:06,800 --> 03:09:10,080 dictate the height. But we needed to 4710 03:09:10,080 --> 03:09:12,080 adopt a policy of what the height was 4711 03:09:12,080 --> 03:09:13,279 going to be, what the base level 4712 03:09:13,279 --> 03:09:15,600 elevations could be. Well, had we 4713 03:09:15,600 --> 03:09:19,279 employed this policy from day one, and 4714 03:09:19,279 --> 03:09:21,279 this will be, if we have this policy on 4715 03:09:21,279 --> 03:09:23,120 day one going forward, we wouldn't have 4716 03:09:23,120 --> 03:09:24,880 had to have any of that discussion. the 4717 03:09:24,880 --> 03:09:26,319 staff would have simply looked at what 4718 03:09:26,319 --> 03:09:28,880 the law is, come to the recognition that 4719 03:09:28,880 --> 03:09:30,800 the only applicable law was FEMA plus 4720 03:09:30,800 --> 03:09:32,960 one and applied it and the city council 4721 03:09:32,960 --> 03:09:34,080 would not have had to have been involved 4722 03:09:34,080 --> 03:09:35,359 in that. The community wouldn't have had 4723 03:09:35,359 --> 03:09:37,279 to be involved in that and a lot of time 4724 03:09:37,279 --> 03:09:39,920 would have been saved. I'm not smart 4725 03:09:39,920 --> 03:09:41,920 enough to know what all the other 4726 03:09:41,920 --> 03:09:43,920 situations are going to be. None of us 4727 03:09:43,920 --> 03:09:46,560 are, I suspect, going forward that are 4728 03:09:46,560 --> 03:09:47,680 going to come up and someone's going to 4729 03:09:47,680 --> 03:09:48,880 say, "Well, what are we going to do in 4730 03:09:48,880 --> 03:09:51,680 this circumstance?" The answer we're 4731 03:09:51,680 --> 03:09:54,240 saying should be very clear. forget what 4732 03:09:54,240 --> 03:09:56,880 you might want to see done. Let's look 4733 03:09:56,880 --> 03:09:58,399 to the law. Let's look to the federal 4734 03:09:58,399 --> 03:10:00,240 law because that governs here whether we 4735 03:10:00,240 --> 03:10:02,319 like it or not, the state law, the 4736 03:10:02,319 --> 03:10:04,319 county law, and our existing municipal 4737 03:10:04,319 --> 03:10:06,560 code and don't don't impose any 4738 03:10:06,560 --> 03:10:09,040 restriction or requirement whatsoever 4739 03:10:09,040 --> 03:10:10,479 that's not already embedded in those 4740 03:10:10,479 --> 03:10:12,479 laws. Now, we also have the ability 4741 03:10:12,479 --> 03:10:13,920 obviously to look at our own municipal 4742 03:10:13,920 --> 03:10:15,200 code and say, well, let's liberalize 4743 03:10:15,200 --> 03:10:17,920 that. We can't liberalize it beyond the 4744 03:10:17,920 --> 03:10:19,920 requirements of a superior law, but we 4745 03:10:19,920 --> 03:10:21,680 can liberalize it where where it's more 4746 03:10:21,680 --> 03:10:24,399 strict. But any event, this says don't 4747 03:10:24,399 --> 03:10:26,080 apply any rule that's not already in 4748 03:10:26,080 --> 03:10:28,479 place. Don't don't go looking for more 4749 03:10:28,479 --> 03:10:30,080 restrictions. 4750 03:10:30,080 --> 03:10:32,319 Um, there's a provision in here that I' 4751 03:10:32,319 --> 03:10:34,640 I've heard a lot of comments about in in 4752 03:10:34,640 --> 03:10:37,040 in two different directions. It says in 4753 03:10:37,040 --> 03:10:40,640 so doing any doubt respecting and by the 4754 03:10:40,640 --> 03:10:42,800 way again only for like forlike 4755 03:10:42,800 --> 03:10:45,840 rebuilds, not for new build, not for a 4756 03:10:45,840 --> 03:10:49,040 non-disaster build and not for a rebuild 4757 03:10:49,040 --> 03:10:51,040 that's not in tune with like for like. 4758 03:10:51,040 --> 03:10:52,720 If somebody wants to build something 4759 03:10:52,720 --> 03:10:55,840 that's 150% of what was there, this 4760 03:10:55,840 --> 03:10:58,640 doesn't apply to them whatsoever. 4761 03:10:58,640 --> 03:11:01,120 So when we're doing that, any doubt 4762 03:11:01,120 --> 03:11:03,200 respecting the application of a legal 4763 03:11:03,200 --> 03:11:05,120 requirement or the manner of its 4764 03:11:05,120 --> 03:11:07,359 application, respecting a like forlike 4765 03:11:07,359 --> 03:11:09,920 disaster rebuild shall be resolved in 4766 03:11:09,920 --> 03:11:12,399 favor of the city's policy to facilitate 4767 03:11:12,399 --> 03:11:15,200 this expeditious rebuild. And to that 4768 03:11:15,200 --> 03:11:16,800 end, this is the one I' I've heard a lot 4769 03:11:16,800 --> 03:11:19,040 of comments in both directions. Whenever 4770 03:11:19,040 --> 03:11:20,720 there's a difference of opinion on an 4771 03:11:20,720 --> 03:11:22,319 issue that the director of community 4772 03:11:22,319 --> 03:11:24,560 development department defined as the 4773 03:11:24,560 --> 03:11:26,640 CDD director and we know that at this 4774 03:11:26,640 --> 03:11:28,800 moment in time that's Yolanda uh 4775 03:11:28,800 --> 03:11:30,960 recognizes to be a difference of opinion 4776 03:11:30,960 --> 03:11:33,040 upon which reasonable professional civil 4777 03:11:33,040 --> 03:11:36,080 engineers might differ. The city staff 4778 03:11:36,080 --> 03:11:38,000 shall defer to the stamped and certified 4779 03:11:38,000 --> 03:11:39,920 decision of the civil engineer. There's 4780 03:11:39,920 --> 03:11:42,399 other language in there. Now let's make 4781 03:11:42,399 --> 03:11:44,800 clear what that means. It doesn't mean 4782 03:11:44,800 --> 03:11:46,960 as some residents have said in 4783 03:11:46,960 --> 03:11:49,359 advocating for this, whatever my design 4784 03:11:49,359 --> 03:11:51,200 professional says, I'm now going to get 4785 03:11:51,200 --> 03:11:52,399 that and the city's going to have to 4786 03:11:52,399 --> 03:11:54,319 defer to it because your design 4787 03:11:54,319 --> 03:11:56,160 professional may be advocating for 4788 03:11:56,160 --> 03:11:59,520 something which the CDD director doesn't 4789 03:11:59,520 --> 03:12:01,520 believe is within the reasonable 4790 03:12:01,520 --> 03:12:03,359 reasonable range of alternatives that 4791 03:12:03,359 --> 03:12:07,040 are available under the building code. 4792 03:12:07,040 --> 03:12:09,920 What it does mean is that where there's 4793 03:12:09,920 --> 03:12:12,000 a range of alternatives that are 4794 03:12:12,000 --> 03:12:13,840 available, all of which satisfy the 4795 03:12:13,840 --> 03:12:15,840 applicable code, it's usually got to do 4796 03:12:15,840 --> 03:12:17,200 with safety, where there's a range of 4797 03:12:17,200 --> 03:12:18,800 things that could be done to satisfy the 4798 03:12:18,800 --> 03:12:20,880 safety requirement. 4799 03:12:20,880 --> 03:12:23,359 Some design engineers are going to say 4800 03:12:23,359 --> 03:12:25,120 we want to do the absolute strongest 4801 03:12:25,120 --> 03:12:26,160 thing possible. In fact, some are going 4802 03:12:26,160 --> 03:12:28,319 to say more than what's required. Others 4803 03:12:28,319 --> 03:12:30,560 are going to say, I want to do the the 4804 03:12:30,560 --> 03:12:32,160 owner of the property may say, I want to 4805 03:12:32,160 --> 03:12:33,600 do the absolute minimum that I'm 4806 03:12:33,600 --> 03:12:35,840 required to do to meet the law. 4807 03:12:35,840 --> 03:12:38,479 And what this is s saying is when it 4808 03:12:38,479 --> 03:12:41,760 comes to the staff, as long as in the 4809 03:12:41,760 --> 03:12:44,640 opinion of the director and and 4810 03:12:44,640 --> 03:12:46,720 obviously it'll also be lower level 4811 03:12:46,720 --> 03:12:48,240 people who will first look at the 4812 03:12:48,240 --> 03:12:50,080 question. As long as it's something 4813 03:12:50,080 --> 03:12:53,200 which does fall within that range, we're 4814 03:12:53,200 --> 03:12:55,439 not going to debate with the resident or 4815 03:12:55,439 --> 03:12:57,840 their or their design professionals as 4816 03:12:57,840 --> 03:12:59,120 to whether they ought to be doing 4817 03:12:59,120 --> 03:13:02,240 something better or more safe. as long 4818 03:13:02,240 --> 03:13:04,080 as it's as long as it's at the level 4819 03:13:04,080 --> 03:13:05,920 that is the minimum required by the law. 4820 03:13:05,920 --> 03:13:07,680 Again, this is consistent with the first 4821 03:13:07,680 --> 03:13:09,359 thing. We're not going to impose any 4822 03:13:09,359 --> 03:13:12,080 rule greater than the law. So, the FEMA 4823 03:13:12,080 --> 03:13:13,840 thing would be a great example. I think 4824 03:13:13,840 --> 03:13:16,160 some people have advocated at one point 4825 03:13:16,160 --> 03:13:18,319 FEMA plus one isn't really good enough. 4826 03:13:18,319 --> 03:13:20,399 There should be some greater um 4827 03:13:20,399 --> 03:13:22,800 allocation for sea level rise. We 4828 03:13:22,800 --> 03:13:24,479 wouldn't be thinking about those things. 4829 03:13:24,479 --> 03:13:27,120 It's just a question of what is a 4830 03:13:27,120 --> 03:13:30,560 reasonable application of the law. 4831 03:13:30,560 --> 03:13:33,760 Um the next thing is that we're 4832 03:13:33,760 --> 03:13:36,800 encouraging that every reasonable and 4833 03:13:36,800 --> 03:13:39,760 legally permissible effort be pursued to 4834 03:13:39,760 --> 03:13:41,760 liberalize the process for securing 4835 03:13:41,760 --> 03:13:43,840 building code approvals for again for 4836 03:13:43,840 --> 03:13:47,520 like for like disaster rebuilds. 4837 03:13:47,520 --> 03:13:49,279 Um 4838 03:13:49,279 --> 03:13:52,000 you know this is not an indication of 4839 03:13:52,000 --> 03:13:53,359 doing anything that's not both 4840 03:13:53,359 --> 03:13:56,239 reasonable and legal. So these are 4841 03:13:56,239 --> 03:13:58,319 policies. These are these are to to make 4842 03:13:58,319 --> 03:14:01,200 clear that we want to see homes rebuilt. 4843 03:14:01,200 --> 03:14:03,040 We want to see them be rebuilt like for 4844 03:14:03,040 --> 03:14:05,279 like as best we can and we want to make 4845 03:14:05,279 --> 03:14:08,080 it as painless as possible to do it. 4846 03:14:08,080 --> 03:14:10,000 Recognizing obviously we can't solve 4847 03:14:10,000 --> 03:14:13,279 insurance issues. We can't solve state 4848 03:14:13,279 --> 03:14:15,760 laws that are more ownorous than we 4849 03:14:15,760 --> 03:14:17,920 might want them to be. We're stuck with 4850 03:14:17,920 --> 03:14:19,359 them. 4851 03:14:19,359 --> 03:14:22,239 Um 4852 03:14:22,239 --> 03:14:25,760 this this says that we will where we 4853 03:14:25,760 --> 03:14:28,800 where that we find an issue that is 4854 03:14:28,800 --> 03:14:31,439 impacting our residents that we don't 4855 03:14:31,439 --> 03:14:35,040 have the ability to overcome. We will 4856 03:14:35,040 --> 03:14:38,000 advocate to the state that it look into 4857 03:14:38,000 --> 03:14:39,920 the issue and see what can be done to 4858 03:14:39,920 --> 03:14:41,920 help relax the requirement. The answer 4859 03:14:41,920 --> 03:14:43,279 may be there is nothing that could be 4860 03:14:43,279 --> 03:14:45,600 done. But again, we will do what we can 4861 03:14:45,600 --> 03:14:48,800 do to try to get the requirement relaxed 4862 03:14:48,800 --> 03:14:51,520 so that if it's relaxed, more people can 4863 03:14:51,520 --> 03:14:55,349 do more. 4864 03:14:55,359 --> 03:14:58,000 There's a lot of other particular things 4865 03:14:58,000 --> 03:14:59,359 which I think I'll just leave it to 4866 03:14:59,359 --> 03:15:02,720 others to comment on. Um, item four, 4867 03:15:02,720 --> 03:15:06,319 which I think is an important one, is um 4868 03:15:06,319 --> 03:15:08,640 that when dealing with the like forlike 4869 03:15:08,640 --> 03:15:11,680 disaster rebuilds, um, it's imperative 4870 03:15:11,680 --> 03:15:15,920 that our staff members are focused on 4871 03:15:15,920 --> 03:15:19,040 finding ways to get to Yes. 4872 03:15:19,040 --> 03:15:21,680 And importantly, this states, by the 4873 03:15:21,680 --> 03:15:23,600 same token, when we're not dealing with 4874 03:15:23,600 --> 03:15:26,399 disaster rebuilds, we need the staff to 4875 03:15:26,399 --> 03:15:28,239 still be focused on the mission 4876 03:15:28,239 --> 03:15:30,399 statement and the vision statement. The 4877 03:15:30,399 --> 03:15:33,680 reason for this paragraph is it's been 4878 03:15:33,680 --> 03:15:35,279 said to me and I agree with it by the 4879 03:15:35,279 --> 03:15:38,640 staff. How do we justify going out of 4880 03:15:38,640 --> 03:15:40,560 our way to bend over backwards to get 4881 03:15:40,560 --> 03:15:42,960 this done over here and then when 4882 03:15:42,960 --> 03:15:44,640 someone else comes to us and wants the 4883 03:15:44,640 --> 03:15:47,040 same accommodation, not provide that? 4884 03:15:47,040 --> 03:15:48,560 How do we how do we decide who's 4885 03:15:48,560 --> 03:15:50,720 entitled to an accommodation and who's 4886 03:15:50,720 --> 03:15:52,720 not? The answer is right here in a city 4887 03:15:52,720 --> 03:15:54,720 council policy. if it's adopted, if it's 4888 03:15:54,720 --> 03:15:56,880 a disaster rebuild and it's a which 4889 03:15:56,880 --> 03:15:58,160 means it's a lake like for lake and it 4890 03:15:58,160 --> 03:16:00,800 came out of a disaster, we're going to 4891 03:16:00,800 --> 03:16:02,880 use all of these tools in our toolbox 4892 03:16:02,880 --> 03:16:04,960 that we can to make it as easy as 4893 03:16:04,960 --> 03:16:07,520 possible. And this says when someone 4894 03:16:07,520 --> 03:16:10,319 who's doing a regular 5,000 square foot 4895 03:16:10,319 --> 03:16:12,239 build on Point Doom and they want the 4896 03:16:12,239 --> 03:16:14,399 same accommodation and they're saying 4897 03:16:14,399 --> 03:16:16,080 why am I not getting it? The answer is 4898 03:16:16,080 --> 03:16:18,080 right here because this policy of the 4899 03:16:18,080 --> 03:16:19,840 city council is that you're not getting 4900 03:16:19,840 --> 03:16:22,960 that. you're this is for the rebuilds. 4901 03:16:22,960 --> 03:16:24,399 It's not to say that you're not going to 4902 03:16:24,399 --> 03:16:26,080 get fair treatment if you're building 4903 03:16:26,080 --> 03:16:28,800 something large or new, but you're just 4904 03:16:28,800 --> 03:16:30,239 not going to get the special treatment 4905 03:16:30,239 --> 03:16:32,720 that we are creating for disaster 4906 03:16:32,720 --> 03:16:34,239 rebuilds. 4907 03:16:34,239 --> 03:16:36,720 Um, other than that, most of the things 4908 03:16:36,720 --> 03:16:38,880 in here are things that Yolanda has 4909 03:16:38,880 --> 03:16:42,160 already told us she has put into place 4910 03:16:42,160 --> 03:16:44,080 or is putting in place. And this is 4911 03:16:44,080 --> 03:16:46,640 again kind of codifying from a st from a 4912 03:16:46,640 --> 03:16:48,560 city council standpoint that these 4913 03:16:48,560 --> 03:16:51,760 things we agree with them. And one might 4914 03:16:51,760 --> 03:16:53,920 ask why why do we need to do this? Why 4915 03:16:53,920 --> 03:16:55,760 why bother putting this in writing? 4916 03:16:55,760 --> 03:16:59,760 Well, first of all, it it shows that we 4917 03:16:59,760 --> 03:17:03,680 support what's being done. Secondly, 4918 03:17:03,680 --> 03:17:04,960 you know, we would like to think 4919 03:17:04,960 --> 03:17:06,960 Yolanda's going to be with us for the 4920 03:17:06,960 --> 03:17:10,000 indefinite future, but who knows what 4921 03:17:10,000 --> 03:17:12,479 can happen. Yolanda, something could 4922 03:17:12,479 --> 03:17:14,239 happen to Yolanda. We want to make sure 4923 03:17:14,239 --> 03:17:16,160 whoever's in that position knows this is 4924 03:17:16,160 --> 03:17:18,080 the city council's policy. This is what 4925 03:17:18,080 --> 03:17:20,560 their marching orders are. And more 4926 03:17:20,560 --> 03:17:22,160 important, down the line, you know, 5 4927 03:17:22,160 --> 03:17:23,439 years from now, we're going to have 4928 03:17:23,439 --> 03:17:25,359 another disaster. 4929 03:17:25,359 --> 03:17:27,680 And when we do, we don't have to sit 4930 03:17:27,680 --> 03:17:29,680 down here and recreate the wheel again. 4931 03:17:29,680 --> 03:17:32,479 It's already here. It'll be in a policy. 4932 03:17:32,479 --> 03:17:33,920 Maybe there'll be new issues that'll 4933 03:17:33,920 --> 03:17:35,279 come up and we'll have to and the city 4934 03:17:35,279 --> 03:17:36,880 council then will have to decide what to 4935 03:17:36,880 --> 03:17:38,640 do with the new issues, but there'll be 4936 03:17:38,640 --> 03:17:40,160 a policy. They can pull it out of the 4937 03:17:40,160 --> 03:17:42,080 drawer. They read it. They know exactly 4938 03:17:42,080 --> 03:17:44,080 how to deal with these issues. They 4939 03:17:44,080 --> 03:17:46,640 weren't oneoffs for the Palisades fire. 4940 03:17:46,640 --> 03:17:49,040 They were things we learned about how to 4941 03:17:49,040 --> 03:17:51,840 make this process better. And we are now 4942 03:17:51,840 --> 03:17:54,319 putting our improtor on them and saying 4943 03:17:54,319 --> 03:17:56,239 henceforth when there's a casualty of 4944 03:17:56,239 --> 03:17:58,319 this nature, this is the way to approach 4945 03:17:58,319 --> 03:18:01,760 it. So, I'm sure I'm going to hear from 4946 03:18:01,760 --> 03:18:03,439 other council members what's wrong with 4947 03:18:03,439 --> 03:18:04,880 these things because that's just the way 4948 03:18:04,880 --> 03:18:08,399 this works. But I think a lot of this is 4949 03:18:08,399 --> 03:18:10,720 a no-brainer. I know the residents for 4950 03:18:10,720 --> 03:18:13,120 the most part want this and one of our 4951 03:18:13,120 --> 03:18:15,760 roles as city council members is to try 4952 03:18:15,760 --> 03:18:17,359 to do as best we can what our 4953 03:18:17,359 --> 03:18:19,920 constituents want. Um so this is an 4954 03:18:19,920 --> 03:18:22,800 effort to do that. Um to do it in a way 4955 03:18:22,800 --> 03:18:25,920 that doesn't put um undue pressure on 4956 03:18:25,920 --> 03:18:28,399 the staff in a way which I actually 4957 03:18:28,399 --> 03:18:30,160 think makes it easier for the staff 4958 03:18:30,160 --> 03:18:32,080 because it gives them further clear 4959 03:18:32,080 --> 03:18:35,120 direction as to how to do things. And um 4960 03:18:35,120 --> 03:18:36,880 Helen, you want to add anything? 4961 03:18:36,880 --> 03:18:41,349 >> Nope. That was sent same ditto. 4962 03:18:41,349 --> 03:18:41,359 » Nope. That was sent same ditto. 4963 03:18:41,359 --> 03:18:43,429 >> I think we can open it up to public 4964 03:18:43,429 --> 03:18:43,439 » I think we can open it up to public 4965 03:18:43,439 --> 03:18:45,520 comment and council comments. 4966 03:18:45,520 --> 03:18:46,870 >> Well, we can answer any questions there 4967 03:18:46,870 --> 03:18:46,880 » Well, we can answer any questions there 4968 03:18:46,880 --> 03:18:48,239 might be first from the council. But you 4969 03:18:48,239 --> 03:18:50,000 know the other thing is you know this 4970 03:18:50,000 --> 03:18:53,359 also was written as a result of sitting 4971 03:18:53,359 --> 03:18:55,760 here and at other meetings for the last 4972 03:18:55,760 --> 03:18:59,760 year listening to residents comments um 4973 03:18:59,760 --> 03:19:02,000 hearing debate on the council hearing 4974 03:19:02,000 --> 03:19:04,399 from the staff. So, it's it it it's all 4975 03:19:04,399 --> 03:19:07,600 an effort to um consolidate everything 4976 03:19:07,600 --> 03:19:10,000 that we've been doing for the past year. 4977 03:19:10,000 --> 03:19:12,720 What we've learned makes sense. It 4978 03:19:12,720 --> 03:19:14,080 doesn't address the things I think that 4979 03:19:14,080 --> 03:19:16,160 we didn't think make sense and it in 4980 03:19:16,160 --> 03:19:17,040 with hope. 4981 03:19:17,040 --> 03:19:17,429 >> Yeah. 4982 03:19:17,429 --> 03:19:17,439 » Yeah. 4983 03:19:17,439 --> 03:19:18,710 >> This or some version of it will get 4984 03:19:18,710 --> 03:19:18,720 » This or some version of it will get 4985 03:19:18,720 --> 03:19:19,120 approved. 4986 03:19:19,120 --> 03:19:20,950 >> I think that we've done a great job as 4987 03:19:20,950 --> 03:19:20,960 » I think that we've done a great job as 4988 03:19:20,960 --> 03:19:22,560 council. I think the staff has done a 4989 03:19:22,560 --> 03:19:24,720 great job. Like we've been through a 4990 03:19:24,720 --> 03:19:27,200 disaster and it's been a year and the 4991 03:19:27,200 --> 03:19:29,200 residents, we've listened and it's been 4992 03:19:29,200 --> 03:19:31,279 hours and hours and hours and hours of 4993 03:19:31,279 --> 03:19:33,040 information really and this is a 4994 03:19:33,040 --> 03:19:35,760 culmination of it. And like Bruce said, 4995 03:19:35,760 --> 03:19:38,560 God forbid we have an earthquake in a 4996 03:19:38,560 --> 03:19:42,160 year or eight months or something. It's 4997 03:19:42,160 --> 03:19:44,479 sort of just a playbook of what we've 4998 03:19:44,479 --> 03:19:47,439 done u memorializing this. So it's not 4999 03:19:47,439 --> 03:19:49,840 all wasted. So I mean I've gone through 5000 03:19:49,840 --> 03:19:51,760 hundreds of hours of ex- councsil 5001 03:19:51,760 --> 03:19:54,239 members meetings through Woolseie to see 5002 03:19:54,239 --> 03:19:56,800 what they've done. Things like this are 5003 03:19:56,800 --> 03:19:59,120 just important for the future to be able 5004 03:19:59,120 --> 03:20:01,840 to um to just kind of pull up and say 5005 03:20:01,840 --> 03:20:04,160 this is how Palisades was dealt with. 5006 03:20:04,160 --> 03:20:06,000 And I certainly do not want this to come 5007 03:20:06,000 --> 03:20:09,200 across as a criticism of anybody on 5008 03:20:09,200 --> 03:20:11,680 staff or in general. It just seems like 5009 03:20:11,680 --> 03:20:13,279 we're council people and we make 5010 03:20:13,279 --> 03:20:15,520 policies and this is a policy and it and 5011 03:20:15,520 --> 03:20:17,600 it and we've talked about it. So, we 5012 03:20:17,600 --> 03:20:20,880 just want to memorialize it. Um, 5013 03:20:20,880 --> 03:20:22,469 >> and if it weren't for the Brown Act, we 5014 03:20:22,469 --> 03:20:22,479 » and if it weren't for the Brown Act, we 5015 03:20:22,479 --> 03:20:23,920 would have sat down together in a 5016 03:20:23,920 --> 03:20:25,520 conference room and hammered it out, but 5017 03:20:25,520 --> 03:20:26,640 we aren't allowed to do that. 5018 03:20:26,640 --> 03:20:28,710 >> That would have been really fun if we 5019 03:20:28,710 --> 03:20:28,720 » That would have been really fun if we 5020 03:20:28,720 --> 03:20:29,439 could have done this [clears throat] 5021 03:20:29,439 --> 03:20:30,399 together, 5022 03:20:30,399 --> 03:20:33,910 >> but instead this is the process in which 5023 03:20:33,910 --> 03:20:33,920 » but instead this is the process in which 5024 03:20:33,920 --> 03:20:36,479 we have to do it in under these lights. 5025 03:20:36,479 --> 03:20:39,680 Um, that's it. I mean, I think I'd like 5026 03:20:39,680 --> 03:20:43,279 to define a flat pad that came up. Um, 5027 03:20:43,279 --> 03:20:45,840 maybe like being in building and safety, 5028 03:20:45,840 --> 03:20:47,279 you know, 5029 03:20:47,279 --> 03:20:49,359 what a flat pad is. That's something 5030 03:20:49,359 --> 03:20:54,560 that I need to clarify for my own. 5031 03:20:54,560 --> 03:20:57,279 Um, we've talked about case managers 5032 03:20:57,279 --> 03:20:59,359 over and over and over again. Um, that's 5033 03:20:59,359 --> 03:21:01,520 in number five. 5034 03:21:01,520 --> 03:21:03,279 Um, 5035 03:21:03,279 --> 03:21:05,279 continuous support, advocacy, problem 5036 03:21:05,279 --> 03:21:06,720 resolution. These are all things that 5037 03:21:06,720 --> 03:21:09,279 you they're doing anyway. It's just kind 5038 03:21:09,279 --> 03:21:11,279 of 5039 03:21:11,279 --> 03:21:15,200 putting it in permanence. 5040 03:21:15,200 --> 03:21:17,600 Okay. Um, any council members have 5041 03:21:17,600 --> 03:21:19,040 clarifying questions before we go to 5042 03:21:19,040 --> 03:21:21,680 public comment? 5043 03:21:21,680 --> 03:21:25,429 >> How many online speakers do we have? 5044 03:21:25,429 --> 03:21:25,439 » How many online speakers do we have? 5045 03:21:25,439 --> 03:21:27,110 >> There's one raised hand. Two raised 5046 03:21:27,110 --> 03:21:27,120 » There's one raised hand. Two raised 5047 03:21:27,120 --> 03:21:28,800 hands. 5048 03:21:28,800 --> 03:21:32,150 >> Give it 30 seconds. 5049 03:21:32,150 --> 03:21:32,160 » Give it 30 seconds. 5050 03:21:32,160 --> 03:21:38,080 Okay. Um, Kevin Keegan followed by Danny 5051 03:21:38,080 --> 03:21:39,840 and 5052 03:21:39,840 --> 03:21:43,680 Leah's here and Luis is here. Okay. Um, 5053 03:21:43,680 --> 03:21:52,630 and then after Danny, it's Darren. 5054 03:21:52,640 --> 03:21:54,960 » I am Kevin Keegan. 5055 03:21:54,960 --> 03:21:57,200 This uh disaster rebuild policy 5056 03:21:57,200 --> 03:21:59,359 resolution proposed tonight is a step 5057 03:21:59,359 --> 03:22:01,040 toward addressing the city council 5058 03:22:01,040 --> 03:22:04,000 specific action items Mayor Pro Tim 5059 03:22:04,000 --> 03:22:05,920 Silverstein described in his article 5060 03:22:05,920 --> 03:22:08,479 published by the Malibu Times in July of 5061 03:22:08,479 --> 03:22:11,279 last year. While overdue, I thank 5062 03:22:11,279 --> 03:22:13,600 council members Silverstein and Conrad 5063 03:22:13,600 --> 03:22:16,000 sincerely for focusing attention on what 5064 03:22:16,000 --> 03:22:17,840 the city council with its unique powers 5065 03:22:17,840 --> 03:22:20,080 can do to accelerate the disaster 5066 03:22:20,080 --> 03:22:22,560 rebuild process in Malibu. The two 5067 03:22:22,560 --> 03:22:24,080 council members are offering a 5068 03:22:24,080 --> 03:22:26,800 pro-rebuild path forward. Meanwhile, the 5069 03:22:26,800 --> 03:22:28,960 city's staff are doing all they can 5070 03:22:28,960 --> 03:22:30,880 within their current capabilities. 5071 03:22:30,880 --> 03:22:33,359 What's missing is focused policy action 5072 03:22:33,359 --> 03:22:35,359 like this resolution. I have a few 5073 03:22:35,359 --> 03:22:37,680 general comments and questions. This 5074 03:22:37,680 --> 03:22:40,000 policy resolution is forwardinking, 5075 03:22:40,000 --> 03:22:41,920 highlighting future threats of quote 5076 03:22:41,920 --> 03:22:44,720 wildfire, earthquake, flood, landslide, 5077 03:22:44,720 --> 03:22:47,200 mudslide, or similar disaster close 5078 03:22:47,200 --> 03:22:49,359 quote. This council has an opportunity 5079 03:22:49,359 --> 03:22:51,680 to better position residents to be able 5080 03:22:51,680 --> 03:22:53,920 to rebuild expeditially whenever 5081 03:22:53,920 --> 03:22:56,880 disaster strikes. Where appropriate to 5082 03:22:56,880 --> 03:22:59,200 help address liability concerns, 5083 03:22:59,200 --> 03:23:00,880 consider including a mandatory 5084 03:23:00,880 --> 03:23:03,279 assumption of risk and release signature 5085 03:23:03,279 --> 03:23:05,920 step if residents choose to engage in an 5086 03:23:05,920 --> 03:23:08,880 expedited disaster rebuild process. For 5087 03:23:08,880 --> 03:23:10,479 item number two in the proposed 5088 03:23:10,479 --> 03:23:12,880 resolution, I ask for consideration in 5089 03:23:12,880 --> 03:23:15,520 that paragraph of replacing the word 5090 03:23:15,520 --> 03:23:17,680 words must and should with the word 5091 03:23:17,680 --> 03:23:20,560 shall. Item number six in this proposed 5092 03:23:20,560 --> 03:23:22,800 resolution offers a real opportunity for 5093 03:23:22,800 --> 03:23:24,720 residents who are rebuilding. 5094 03:23:24,720 --> 03:23:26,720 Specifically, item six states, quote, 5095 03:23:26,720 --> 03:23:28,720 "There must also be a measurable time 5096 03:23:28,720 --> 03:23:31,040 period between submission of a completed 5097 03:23:31,040 --> 03:23:33,439 PV plan check or building permit 5098 03:23:33,439 --> 03:23:35,680 application and approval or denial 5099 03:23:35,680 --> 03:23:38,239 thereof." Close quote. What many Malibu 5100 03:23:38,239 --> 03:23:40,160 property owners want are estimated time 5101 03:23:40,160 --> 03:23:43,600 frames for rebuild projects. A time-free 5102 03:23:43,600 --> 03:23:45,920 zone around rebuilds hinders the 5103 03:23:45,920 --> 03:23:47,920 process. Giving property owners a 5104 03:23:47,920 --> 03:23:49,439 reasonable level of predictability 5105 03:23:49,439 --> 03:23:51,439 around what the time commitment for 5106 03:23:51,439 --> 03:23:53,760 disaster rebuild process will entail 5107 03:23:53,760 --> 03:23:55,840 would offer current residents helpful 5108 03:23:55,840 --> 03:23:58,960 incentives to stay and rebuild. Lastly, 5109 03:23:58,960 --> 03:24:00,640 item number eight is important because 5110 03:24:00,640 --> 03:24:02,560 it states, quote, "The city shall 5111 03:24:02,560 --> 03:24:05,120 establish targets, goals, and metrics 5112 03:24:05,120 --> 03:24:06,800 for reviews that are published and 5113 03:24:06,800 --> 03:24:09,279 tracked to identify areas of continuous 5114 03:24:09,279 --> 03:24:12,319 improvement." Close quote. I also ask, 5115 03:24:12,319 --> 03:24:14,239 can that statement in number eight be 5116 03:24:14,239 --> 03:24:16,960 revised to include approvals along with 5117 03:24:16,960 --> 03:24:19,359 reviews? So, it would read, the city 5118 03:24:19,359 --> 03:24:21,279 shall establish targets, goals, and 5119 03:24:21,279 --> 03:24:24,399 metrics for reviews and approvals. Those 5120 03:24:24,399 --> 03:24:26,080 are my comments and questions on this 5121 03:24:26,080 --> 03:24:28,319 resolution tonight. Please make those 5122 03:24:28,319 --> 03:24:30,800 edits and approve this policy resolution 5123 03:24:30,800 --> 03:24:33,200 for disaster rebuilds in Malibu. Thank 5124 03:24:33,200 --> 03:24:39,760 you. Thank you Danny followed by Darren 5125 03:24:39,760 --> 03:24:43,040 followed by Arno. 5126 03:24:43,040 --> 03:24:44,229 >> You have five minutes. 5127 03:24:44,229 --> 03:24:44,239 » You have five minutes. 5128 03:24:44,239 --> 03:24:46,389 >> Thank you. 5129 03:24:46,389 --> 03:24:46,399 » Thank you. 5130 03:24:46,399 --> 03:24:49,520 This is historical policym to meet an 5131 03:24:49,520 --> 03:24:52,160 historical moment. It is a bold and 5132 03:24:52,160 --> 03:24:54,640 visionary plan for the present as well 5133 03:24:54,640 --> 03:24:57,680 as it must be said the future. We lost 5134 03:24:57,680 --> 03:25:00,720 700 homes. We're going to lose more. 5135 03:25:00,720 --> 03:25:03,359 That is the reality of living in this 5136 03:25:03,359 --> 03:25:06,319 special place. 5137 03:25:06,319 --> 03:25:08,080 We choose how we respond to these 5138 03:25:08,080 --> 03:25:11,600 events. And it has to be said, we must 5139 03:25:11,600 --> 03:25:13,840 do better. 5140 03:25:13,840 --> 03:25:18,800 22 permits in a year. It is unfathomable 5141 03:25:18,800 --> 03:25:21,200 failure. 5142 03:25:21,200 --> 03:25:23,840 The low bar set by the Woosey fire has 5143 03:25:23,840 --> 03:25:26,399 somehow been outdone. It's as if we're 5144 03:25:26,399 --> 03:25:29,760 playing limbo with our own failures. How 5145 03:25:29,760 --> 03:25:32,319 low can we go? 5146 03:25:32,319 --> 03:25:34,960 A couple of points. Please don't let the 5147 03:25:34,960 --> 03:25:36,880 word self-certification 5148 03:25:36,880 --> 03:25:39,200 be heard tonight. 5149 03:25:39,200 --> 03:25:40,800 That's not what this is. This is not 5150 03:25:40,800 --> 03:25:43,200 self-certification. Self-certification 5151 03:25:43,200 --> 03:25:45,760 is homeowners going off on their own 5152 03:25:45,760 --> 03:25:48,080 until the inspectors show up. This is 5153 03:25:48,080 --> 03:25:49,439 homeowners and their professionals 5154 03:25:49,439 --> 03:25:52,479 submitting plans, an inherent peerreview 5155 03:25:52,479 --> 03:25:55,279 process, and debating reasonable 5156 03:25:55,279 --> 03:25:57,600 professional opinions. There's nothing 5157 03:25:57,600 --> 03:26:00,640 being done blind here or undercover. 5158 03:26:00,640 --> 03:26:03,840 Please don't let the word liability risk 5159 03:26:03,840 --> 03:26:05,600 words liability risk come out of your 5160 03:26:05,600 --> 03:26:08,160 mouth. Other jurisdictions are doing 5161 03:26:08,160 --> 03:26:10,479 this and they're doing more. Half the 5162 03:26:10,479 --> 03:26:12,560 homes in Malibu today have assumptions 5163 03:26:12,560 --> 03:26:14,800 of risk recorded against them because 20 5164 03:26:14,800 --> 03:26:16,479 years ago somebody wanted to remodel and 5165 03:26:16,479 --> 03:26:18,080 they were told by Malibu that you're in 5166 03:26:18,080 --> 03:26:20,319 a seismically hazardous area. Yeah, I 5167 03:26:20,319 --> 03:26:22,960 know. We're in Southern California. 5168 03:26:22,960 --> 03:26:24,560 So these waiverss of liability are 5169 03:26:24,560 --> 03:26:25,920 something that Malibu has always been 5170 03:26:25,920 --> 03:26:27,680 comfortable employing. Let's do it again 5171 03:26:27,680 --> 03:26:30,640 if we have to. In fact, I have one. Let 5172 03:26:30,640 --> 03:26:33,200 me read it. Recitals. 5173 03:26:33,200 --> 03:26:35,520 Property owner desires to take certain 5174 03:26:35,520 --> 03:26:37,439 actions. Property owner desires to 5175 03:26:37,439 --> 03:26:39,680 assume all risk relating to and arising 5176 03:26:39,680 --> 03:26:41,840 from the issuance of a building permit 5177 03:26:41,840 --> 03:26:43,200 for said addition, repair, 5178 03:26:43,200 --> 03:26:44,960 rehabilitation, or remodel work, 5179 03:26:44,960 --> 03:26:46,880 including risks relating to the city's 5180 03:26:46,880 --> 03:26:49,120 negligent issuance of such a building 5181 03:26:49,120 --> 03:26:51,120 per permit. Going on. Assumption of 5182 03:26:51,120 --> 03:26:53,760 risk. Property owner hereby assumes all 5183 03:26:53,760 --> 03:26:55,439 risk of damages to the property blah 5184 03:26:55,439 --> 03:26:57,520 blah blah out of the city issuing the 5185 03:26:57,520 --> 03:27:00,319 building permit. Release. Property owner 5186 03:27:00,319 --> 03:27:02,479 hereby releases and discharges city its 5187 03:27:02,479 --> 03:27:04,560 officers, employees and agents from any 5188 03:27:04,560 --> 03:27:06,319 and all claims for losses, damages or 5189 03:27:06,319 --> 03:27:08,319 liabilities. 5190 03:27:08,319 --> 03:27:11,120 We have these. So please, Trevor, don't 5191 03:27:11,120 --> 03:27:12,960 tell anybody that this can't be done or 5192 03:27:12,960 --> 03:27:15,040 it's even hard to do. It's in your 5193 03:27:15,040 --> 03:27:16,560 computer. 5194 03:27:16,560 --> 03:27:18,800 This resolution will provide a framework 5195 03:27:18,800 --> 03:27:21,200 for our recovery. you know in your 5196 03:27:21,200 --> 03:27:24,080 hearts that it is needed. If this city 5197 03:27:24,080 --> 03:27:26,640 has a hope of resuscitation, if our 5198 03:27:26,640 --> 03:27:29,920 businesses have a hope of surviving, we 5199 03:27:29,920 --> 03:27:32,399 have to get these houses back online 5200 03:27:32,399 --> 03:27:33,920 expeditiously, 5201 03:27:33,920 --> 03:27:38,160 efficiently, economically. 5202 03:27:38,160 --> 03:27:41,040 I'm staring at photos in the hallway 5203 03:27:41,040 --> 03:27:43,520 tonight of my neighbor's houses burning 5204 03:27:43,520 --> 03:27:45,920 down. 5205 03:27:45,920 --> 03:27:48,560 We have to help. We have to do all we 5206 03:27:48,560 --> 03:27:54,080 can. And I'm sorry you haven't. 5207 03:27:54,080 --> 03:27:56,319 Now is your chance. Please vote for 5208 03:27:56,319 --> 03:27:58,880 this. If you do not vote for this, this 5209 03:27:58,880 --> 03:28:01,600 most impactful of policy resolutions, 5210 03:28:01,600 --> 03:28:04,399 then you are directly complicit in what 5211 03:28:04,399 --> 03:28:08,720 continues to be a disastrous recovery. 5212 03:28:08,720 --> 03:28:10,800 This will be your legacy. And for some 5213 03:28:10,800 --> 03:28:12,399 of you, you will be running against it 5214 03:28:12,399 --> 03:28:15,120 in November. 5215 03:28:15,120 --> 03:28:17,279 22 permits in a year. You're playing 5216 03:28:17,279 --> 03:28:19,279 from behind. Now is the time to play 5217 03:28:19,279 --> 03:28:21,920 catchup. Thank you. 5218 03:28:21,920 --> 03:28:26,389 >> Thank you, Darren. Followed by Arno, 5219 03:28:26,389 --> 03:28:26,399 » Thank you, Darren. Followed by Arno, 5220 03:28:26,399 --> 03:28:32,710 followed by Scott Der. 5221 03:28:32,720 --> 03:28:34,399 » Uh, good evening once again and thank 5222 03:28:34,399 --> 03:28:37,040 you um for taking the time to listen, 5223 03:28:37,040 --> 03:28:38,720 but also thank you for putting this 5224 03:28:38,720 --> 03:28:41,600 together. Um it's it was a pleasure to 5225 03:28:41,600 --> 03:28:43,680 read that this was coming up onto the 5226 03:28:43,680 --> 03:28:47,040 council agenda again and um please vote 5227 03:28:47,040 --> 03:28:50,080 in favor of it. Uh earlier there was 5228 03:28:50,080 --> 03:28:52,000 some discussion about what is the lag 5229 03:28:52,000 --> 03:28:53,600 between planning verification and 5230 03:28:53,600 --> 03:28:56,319 building plan check and um my family 5231 03:28:56,319 --> 03:28:58,960 we're in that lag and the lag is due to 5232 03:28:58,960 --> 03:29:00,880 the timeline to design something. It 5233 03:29:00,880 --> 03:29:03,520 does take time. So this resolution of 5234 03:29:03,520 --> 03:29:05,760 efficient, expeditious and economical 5235 03:29:05,760 --> 03:29:08,000 provisions to help everybody reduce that 5236 03:29:08,000 --> 03:29:10,800 timeline is very much appreciated. Um we 5237 03:29:10,800 --> 03:29:12,800 submitted for our PV on December 1st, 5238 03:29:12,800 --> 03:29:15,600 got it on December 23rd. Our submittal 5239 03:29:15,600 --> 03:29:17,680 date for our building plan check is June 5240 03:29:17,680 --> 03:29:19,359 of this year and that's because of 5241 03:29:19,359 --> 03:29:21,600 geotechnical considerations, coastal 5242 03:29:21,600 --> 03:29:23,120 engineering considerations, structural 5243 03:29:23,120 --> 03:29:25,200 engineering considerations, MEP design 5244 03:29:25,200 --> 03:29:27,359 considerations, and the time it takes to 5245 03:29:27,359 --> 03:29:29,120 put together a planning application and 5246 03:29:29,120 --> 03:29:32,080 a plan check set. I'm also anticipating 5247 03:29:32,080 --> 03:29:34,800 an approval in October of 2026 and that 5248 03:29:34,800 --> 03:29:37,040 takes into consideration two rounds of 5249 03:29:37,040 --> 03:29:39,840 back checks if needed. I say that I know 5250 03:29:39,840 --> 03:29:41,920 it sounds crazy, but I've been 5251 03:29:41,920 --> 03:29:44,720 responsible and I've obtained u 5252 03:29:44,720 --> 03:29:47,040 approvals for change orders that are 5253 03:29:47,040 --> 03:29:50,080 upwards of 30,000 square feet within 2 5254 03:29:50,080 --> 03:29:52,319 days in hospitals and healthcare centers 5255 03:29:52,319 --> 03:29:54,720 in California. So if that's possible 5256 03:29:54,720 --> 03:29:56,880 then a 12,200 foot house on the beach 5257 03:29:56,880 --> 03:29:59,120 should be possible within 3 months. this 5258 03:29:59,120 --> 03:30:01,840 resolution is a right step in that 5259 03:30:01,840 --> 03:30:05,680 direction. Um [clears throat] I would 5260 03:30:05,680 --> 03:30:09,680 like to ask one thing and it's just 5261 03:30:09,680 --> 03:30:14,319 um to approve it and also to require uh 5262 03:30:14,319 --> 03:30:16,080 design professional engagement in the 5263 03:30:16,080 --> 03:30:19,040 process. This resolution defends the 5264 03:30:19,040 --> 03:30:20,880 intent of the code if there's ever a 5265 03:30:20,880 --> 03:30:24,479 discrepancy between Yolanda Tyler a plan 5266 03:30:24,479 --> 03:30:26,479 checker and the design professionals. 5267 03:30:26,479 --> 03:30:27,600 Well, it's the design design 5268 03:30:27,600 --> 03:30:29,840 professional's job to reference the 5269 03:30:29,840 --> 03:30:32,319 code, defend their design in relation to 5270 03:30:32,319 --> 03:30:35,439 the code, and that should be what we are 5271 03:30:35,439 --> 03:30:37,200 building. So, item one of this 5272 03:30:37,200 --> 03:30:39,680 resolution defends that notion, and so 5273 03:30:39,680 --> 03:30:41,840 I'm in full support of it. So, thank you 5274 03:30:41,840 --> 03:30:44,239 once again for your consideration. 5275 03:30:44,239 --> 03:30:48,150 >> Thank you, Arno. You have four minutes, 5276 03:30:48,150 --> 03:30:48,160 » Thank you, Arno. You have four minutes, 5277 03:30:48,160 --> 03:30:50,479 followed by Scott Dietrich, followed by 5278 03:30:50,479 --> 03:30:55,590 Janet Faulk. 5279 03:30:55,600 --> 03:30:58,479 Good evening to everyone. Have I could 5280 03:30:58,479 --> 03:30:59,600 you push that yet? 5281 03:30:59,600 --> 03:31:00,630 >> Could you give them four minutes, 5282 03:31:00,630 --> 03:31:00,640 » Could you give them four minutes, 5283 03:31:00,640 --> 03:31:02,160 please? Thank you. 5284 03:31:02,160 --> 03:31:05,216 >> Thank you. Once in a while, I learn 5285 03:31:05,216 --> 03:31:05,226 » Thank you. Once in a while, I learn 5286 03:31:05,226 --> 03:31:06,000 [sighs] 5287 03:31:06,000 --> 03:31:08,960 new English words. I learned one last 5288 03:31:08,960 --> 03:31:12,560 week. To shoe something through, like to 5289 03:31:12,560 --> 03:31:15,040 shoe chickens into a chicken coop. Shoo. 5290 03:31:15,040 --> 03:31:17,279 You know, real quick. 5291 03:31:17,279 --> 03:31:20,000 A lot of items, some only formalities, 5292 03:31:20,000 --> 03:31:23,040 took months to implement. Wouldn't it be 5293 03:31:23,040 --> 03:31:25,120 nice to have a plan in the drawer that 5294 03:31:25,120 --> 03:31:26,800 we could pull out when a disaster 5295 03:31:26,800 --> 03:31:29,520 happens and snap our fingers and do all 5296 03:31:29,520 --> 03:31:32,160 those things immediately for future 5297 03:31:32,160 --> 03:31:35,760 disaster survivors. 5298 03:31:35,760 --> 03:31:39,120 We had formalities that we knew we would 5299 03:31:39,120 --> 03:31:41,760 implement like for example the fee waver 5300 03:31:41,760 --> 03:31:43,840 program that took us nine months to 5301 03:31:43,840 --> 03:31:46,399 implement. 5302 03:31:46,399 --> 03:31:48,479 There's a host of other things that were 5303 03:31:48,479 --> 03:31:50,399 discussed in council meetings and 5304 03:31:50,399 --> 03:31:52,319 eventually approved like fee wavers, 5305 03:31:52,319 --> 03:31:56,000 MEP, AOWTS for beachfront, wave uprush, 5306 03:31:56,000 --> 03:31:58,080 fixture accounts, implementing zones and 5307 03:31:58,080 --> 03:32:01,600 zone captains, review time, fuel 5308 03:32:01,600 --> 03:32:03,600 modification, landscaping, and the list 5309 03:32:03,600 --> 03:32:07,920 goes on. Each item was passed like a 5310 03:32:07,920 --> 03:32:11,429 kidney stone. 5311 03:32:11,439 --> 03:32:14,160 This is not an invitation to go into the 5312 03:32:14,160 --> 03:32:16,239 weeds and dissect each of those items 5313 03:32:16,239 --> 03:32:18,319 for the purpose of derailing the key 5314 03:32:18,319 --> 03:32:20,640 point. I just mention them here for 5315 03:32:20,640 --> 03:32:22,960 everyone to remember that we did not 5316 03:32:22,960 --> 03:32:25,200 just spend time on educating the 5317 03:32:25,200 --> 03:32:28,000 rebuilders. 5318 03:32:28,000 --> 03:32:30,000 But that significant changes were made, 5319 03:32:30,000 --> 03:32:32,399 many of which need to be preserved. And 5320 03:32:32,399 --> 03:32:35,920 the key point is we need to be faster 5321 03:32:35,920 --> 03:32:37,840 next time. 5322 03:32:37,840 --> 03:32:40,640 We need to be prepared on a different 5323 03:32:40,640 --> 03:32:43,520 level. This is not an accusation that 5324 03:32:43,520 --> 03:32:45,840 those decisions took an undue amount of 5325 03:32:45,840 --> 03:32:51,269 time. A city had to be run. 5326 03:32:51,279 --> 03:32:52,880 There were other top priorities like 5327 03:32:52,880 --> 03:32:56,319 people dying on PCH. 5328 03:32:56,319 --> 03:32:58,080 Things had to be fleshed out and we 5329 03:32:58,080 --> 03:33:00,800 learned as we went. And we can blame the 5330 03:33:00,800 --> 03:33:02,560 people who made those decisions and we 5331 03:33:02,560 --> 03:33:05,439 can have compassion, 5332 03:33:05,439 --> 03:33:07,920 but it doesn't change the fact that it 5333 03:33:07,920 --> 03:33:11,359 did take a long time. We couldn't drop 5334 03:33:11,359 --> 03:33:14,000 everything and do only rebuilds. We 5335 03:33:14,000 --> 03:33:16,080 won't next time. 5336 03:33:16,080 --> 03:33:19,120 We need to prepare. 5337 03:33:19,120 --> 03:33:21,200 I want you to remember that voting yes 5338 03:33:21,200 --> 03:33:23,840 on this item doesn't approve a specific 5339 03:33:23,840 --> 03:33:27,359 list of things that will then railroad 5340 03:33:27,359 --> 03:33:29,840 future councils and the future city of 5341 03:33:29,840 --> 03:33:32,560 Malibu into do things that will be to 5342 03:33:32,560 --> 03:33:36,309 their disadvantage. 5343 03:33:36,319 --> 03:33:38,560 So what this 5344 03:33:38,560 --> 03:33:40,160 plan that we have in our draw will 5345 03:33:40,160 --> 03:33:42,960 effectively look like in detail will be 5346 03:33:42,960 --> 03:33:45,439 subject to being fleshed out and decided 5347 03:33:45,439 --> 03:33:50,319 upon deliberately, intelligently 5348 03:33:50,319 --> 03:33:53,200 and with discretion. 5349 03:33:53,200 --> 03:33:55,439 But each and every one of you by voting 5350 03:33:55,439 --> 03:34:01,910 on this agenda item will show colors, 5351 03:34:01,920 --> 03:34:06,870 show if you are reelectable or not. 5352 03:34:06,880 --> 03:34:09,359 because you will say yes to 8A because 5353 03:34:09,359 --> 03:34:12,800 you understand Malibu and have you have 5354 03:34:12,800 --> 03:34:15,279 genuinely comprehended 5355 03:34:15,279 --> 03:34:17,520 what went wrong 5356 03:34:17,520 --> 03:34:20,319 in this year 5357 03:34:20,319 --> 03:34:22,239 or you vote no because you have not 5358 03:34:22,239 --> 03:34:24,560 comprehended what happened last year and 5359 03:34:24,560 --> 03:34:27,520 do not understand Malibu 5360 03:34:27,520 --> 03:34:29,600 and what it means to respond 5361 03:34:29,600 --> 03:34:31,279 appropriately 5362 03:34:31,279 --> 03:34:33,760 to a disaster. 5363 03:34:33,760 --> 03:34:39,510 I trust you do understand. 5364 03:34:39,520 --> 03:34:44,550 Let's chew this through. 5365 03:34:44,560 --> 03:34:46,720 » For Malibu 5366 03:34:46,720 --> 03:34:49,760 and for the future elderly 5367 03:34:49,760 --> 03:34:53,040 and the future children 5368 03:34:53,040 --> 03:34:57,349 that will lose everything. 5369 03:34:57,359 --> 03:35:00,710 Thank you. 5370 03:35:00,720 --> 03:35:03,120 Scott followed by Janet followed by 5371 03:35:03,120 --> 03:35:07,510 Abroy. 5372 03:35:07,520 --> 03:35:11,190 » Good evening again. 5373 03:35:11,200 --> 03:35:11,840 » Bless you. 5374 03:35:11,840 --> 03:35:15,670 >> On 5375 03:35:15,680 --> 03:35:19,279 January 8th, 5376 03:35:19,279 --> 03:35:22,640 we were in shock. That shock carried on 5377 03:35:22,640 --> 03:35:26,640 through much of the year. 5378 03:35:26,640 --> 03:35:30,560 We're now over it. We've heard 5379 03:35:30,560 --> 03:35:33,760 so much input 5380 03:35:33,760 --> 03:35:38,080 on why we need this type of measure 5381 03:35:38,080 --> 03:35:42,239 policy decision by you guys. 5382 03:35:42,239 --> 03:35:46,950 I'm not a geotechnical engineer, 5383 03:35:46,960 --> 03:35:50,960 but I know something about mathematics. 5384 03:35:50,960 --> 03:35:54,000 22 permits 5385 03:35:54,000 --> 03:35:56,720 in one year 5386 03:35:56,720 --> 03:36:01,200 translates into 27 years to rebuild 600 5387 03:36:01,200 --> 03:36:03,040 homes. 5388 03:36:03,040 --> 03:36:06,960 We can't wait that long. Our staff, 5389 03:36:06,960 --> 03:36:09,680 Yolanda, Tyler, and the rest are busting 5390 03:36:09,680 --> 03:36:11,439 their butts. 5391 03:36:11,439 --> 03:36:13,840 You guys are working overtime. And I had 5392 03:36:13,840 --> 03:36:16,560 to laugh at that one guy who wanted to 5393 03:36:16,560 --> 03:36:19,200 criticize Steve saying, "You guys are 5394 03:36:19,200 --> 03:36:24,239 having fun up there." Uh, maybe not. 5395 03:36:24,239 --> 03:36:28,640 I'm a zone captain in Rambla Pacificico. 5396 03:36:28,640 --> 03:36:31,600 One of my neighbors 5397 03:36:31,600 --> 03:36:38,800 at 3294 Rambla is 82 years old. He got 5398 03:36:38,800 --> 03:36:41,200 immediately 5399 03:36:41,200 --> 03:36:43,680 into planning 5400 03:36:43,680 --> 03:36:46,479 and trying to move it forward. Now, some 5401 03:36:46,479 --> 03:36:49,600 of his delay was due to his geotechnical 5402 03:36:49,600 --> 03:36:52,720 engineer cuz I was talking to Yolanda 5403 03:36:52,720 --> 03:36:55,520 and I don't have that paperwork. But 5404 03:36:55,520 --> 03:36:59,359 there's too much that carries on and 5405 03:36:59,359 --> 03:37:03,120 goes on and goes on and it does relate 5406 03:37:03,120 --> 03:37:05,040 to GEO. 5407 03:37:05,040 --> 03:37:08,000 With this proposal, 5408 03:37:08,000 --> 03:37:10,880 I think it frees up 5409 03:37:10,880 --> 03:37:14,160 Yolanda to push things through. It's 5410 03:37:14,160 --> 03:37:16,640 going to make it easier, 5411 03:37:16,640 --> 03:37:19,120 not more difficult 5412 03:37:19,120 --> 03:37:21,120 because there's certain things that need 5413 03:37:21,120 --> 03:37:24,399 to be done. Now, what I do have is a bit 5414 03:37:24,399 --> 03:37:26,440 of common sense. 5415 03:37:26,440 --> 03:37:26,469 >> [snorts] 5416 03:37:26,469 --> 03:37:26,479 » [snorts] 5417 03:37:26,479 --> 03:37:30,389 >> And if a house has been there for 40 5418 03:37:30,389 --> 03:37:30,399 » And if a house has been there for 40 5419 03:37:30,399 --> 03:37:32,720 years [snorts] 5420 03:37:32,720 --> 03:37:35,200 and the slab's still good and there's no 5421 03:37:35,200 --> 03:37:37,439 cracks and it's certified by a 5422 03:37:37,439 --> 03:37:40,319 geotechnical engineer, you should be 5423 03:37:40,319 --> 03:37:43,120 able to assume 5424 03:37:43,120 --> 03:37:46,080 that it can be rebuilt like for like, 5425 03:37:46,080 --> 03:37:50,080 not even like for like plus 10. That's 5426 03:37:50,080 --> 03:37:54,479 kind of a simple assumption that I think 5427 03:37:54,479 --> 03:37:56,880 we could utilize. 5428 03:37:56,880 --> 03:38:00,640 So I do urge you pass this. It's a 5429 03:38:00,640 --> 03:38:05,200 wonderful step forward and it really 5430 03:38:05,200 --> 03:38:07,359 emphasizes that you guys are behind 5431 03:38:07,359 --> 03:38:10,080 rebuilding and quickly. Thank you. 5432 03:38:10,080 --> 03:38:16,790 >> Thanks Scott Janet followed by Abe 5433 03:38:16,800 --> 03:38:21,670 » followed by Brian Mayer. 5434 03:38:21,680 --> 03:38:24,399 Good evening to all of you. These 5435 03:38:24,399 --> 03:38:26,880 remarks are targeted toward putting the 5436 03:38:26,880 --> 03:38:30,479 requests in 8A into a sort of a positive 5437 03:38:30,479 --> 03:38:33,200 historical perspective on our own very 5438 03:38:33,200 --> 03:38:35,120 special city. 5439 03:38:35,120 --> 03:38:37,920 And to do that, I take you back to 1993, 5440 03:38:37,920 --> 03:38:41,600 1994 to the old Tanga fire that burned 5441 03:38:41,600 --> 03:38:46,560 369 homes, of which 268 5442 03:38:46,560 --> 03:38:50,000 were in a brand new city of Malibu. 5443 03:38:50,000 --> 03:38:52,160 and the Malibu City Council and the 5444 03:38:52,160 --> 03:38:54,960 planning personnel all worked hard and 5445 03:38:54,960 --> 03:38:58,479 helped our family build a highly re 5446 03:38:58,479 --> 03:39:03,359 resilient house that would in fact today 5447 03:39:03,359 --> 03:39:05,439 withstand the onslaught that came with 5448 03:39:05,439 --> 03:39:09,040 the 2025 fire. 5449 03:39:09,040 --> 03:39:10,720 And this was not a quick and easy 5450 03:39:10,720 --> 03:39:13,520 rebuild like the very first fire permit 5451 03:39:13,520 --> 03:39:16,479 after the 1993 fire. This was for a 5452 03:39:16,479 --> 03:39:19,439 literal like for like uh very simple 5453 03:39:19,439 --> 03:39:21,439 home, same foundation, the top of Big 5454 03:39:21,439 --> 03:39:23,359 Rock. Just a couple months to get that 5455 03:39:23,359 --> 03:39:26,399 permit. Instead, we put in a new 5456 03:39:26,399 --> 03:39:29,120 foundation. We moved ground level square 5457 03:39:29,120 --> 03:39:31,680 footage up to the second floor. We added 5458 03:39:31,680 --> 03:39:34,160 lots of fire resistant materials and a 5459 03:39:34,160 --> 03:39:36,880 variety of other things. All rebuilt on 5460 03:39:36,880 --> 03:39:40,479 the same footprint and within 10% of the 5461 03:39:40,479 --> 03:39:43,040 original size. 5462 03:39:43,040 --> 03:39:45,600 Now, without the support of the council 5463 03:39:45,600 --> 03:39:49,200 members at that time, that includes some 5464 03:39:49,200 --> 03:39:50,800 names you'll be familiar with, Walt 5465 03:39:50,800 --> 03:39:55,040 Keller, John Harlo, Carolyn Van Horn, 5466 03:39:55,040 --> 03:39:57,760 Joan House, Jeff Kramer, 5467 03:39:57,760 --> 03:40:00,880 as well as the city manager, Carman, and 5468 03:40:00,880 --> 03:40:03,920 planning director, Bernard. We were able 5469 03:40:03,920 --> 03:40:07,439 to be number permit number 32. 5470 03:40:07,439 --> 03:40:11,359 Okay. exactly one year 5471 03:40:11,359 --> 03:40:14,080 after the fire took our home. That was 5472 03:40:14,080 --> 03:40:16,880 November 3rd, 1994. 5473 03:40:16,880 --> 03:40:19,600 And do you know who was one of the 5474 03:40:19,600 --> 03:40:22,479 planners who worked with our architect 5475 03:40:22,479 --> 03:40:25,920 and our contractor? 5476 03:40:25,920 --> 03:40:27,600 Yep. 5477 03:40:27,600 --> 03:40:29,680 Council member and now mayor, Maryanne 5478 03:40:29,680 --> 03:40:32,479 Rigggins. 5479 03:40:32,479 --> 03:40:34,720 So, yes, you 5480 03:40:34,720 --> 03:40:37,037 >> I wasn't here in 93. 5481 03:40:37,037 --> 03:40:37,047 » I wasn't here in 93. 5482 03:40:37,047 --> 03:40:37,600 [laughter] 5483 03:40:37,600 --> 03:40:40,640 in 94. We have evidence that you stamped 5484 03:40:40,640 --> 03:40:43,279 it actually. 5485 03:40:43,279 --> 03:40:45,030 >> It's not me, I swear. [laughter] 5486 03:40:45,030 --> 03:40:45,040 » It's not me, I swear. [laughter] 5487 03:40:45,040 --> 03:40:46,870 >> Okay. All right. Well, you must have 5488 03:40:46,870 --> 03:40:46,880 » Okay. All right. Well, you must have 5489 03:40:46,880 --> 03:40:48,800 been there mentally 5490 03:40:48,800 --> 03:40:50,319 until 2005. 5491 03:40:50,319 --> 03:40:51,510 >> You're really a [laughter] good story. 5492 03:40:51,510 --> 03:40:51,520 » You're really a [laughter] good story. 5493 03:40:51,520 --> 03:40:54,070 >> I I know. I'm sorry. Don't cut our time 5494 03:40:54,070 --> 03:40:54,080 » I I know. I'm sorry. Don't cut our time 5495 03:40:54,080 --> 03:40:57,510 on that one. 5496 03:40:57,520 --> 03:40:59,279 » So, shall I take you out then? Huh? 5497 03:40:59,279 --> 03:40:59,830 >> Yes, please. 5498 03:40:59,830 --> 03:40:59,840 » Yes, please. 5499 03:40:59,840 --> 03:41:01,030 >> Okay, we'll take you out. 5500 03:41:01,030 --> 03:41:01,040 » Okay, we'll take you out. 5501 03:41:01,040 --> 03:41:02,710 >> As much credit as I'd love to take, I 5502 03:41:02,710 --> 03:41:02,720 » As much credit as I'd love to take, I 5503 03:41:02,720 --> 03:41:03,200 can't. 5504 03:41:03,200 --> 03:41:04,790 >> But we do believe you can do it, 5505 03:41:04,790 --> 03:41:04,800 » But we do believe you can do it, 5506 03:41:04,800 --> 03:41:07,439 Maryanne. Right. 5507 03:41:07,439 --> 03:41:10,560 and uh we know it can be done and um 5508 03:41:10,560 --> 03:41:12,479 council members and the planners you 5509 03:41:12,479 --> 03:41:15,600 know need the the the discretion and the 5510 03:41:15,600 --> 03:41:17,840 tools to do their job and that we know 5511 03:41:17,840 --> 03:41:21,359 you can do that. So, we are personally 5512 03:41:21,359 --> 03:41:23,040 forever grateful for all the help that 5513 03:41:23,040 --> 03:41:24,960 we receive from the council and from 5514 03:41:24,960 --> 03:41:29,359 planning uh and uh we we hope that the 5515 03:41:29,359 --> 03:41:31,279 current council can be sort of like 5516 03:41:31,279 --> 03:41:35,200 Walt, John, Carolyn, Joan, and Jeff and 5517 03:41:35,200 --> 03:41:37,359 get this move this forward because we 5518 03:41:37,359 --> 03:41:38,560 know you can do it. 5519 03:41:38,560 --> 03:41:40,469 >> Thank you. 5520 03:41:40,469 --> 03:41:40,479 » Thank you. 5521 03:41:40,479 --> 03:41:45,279 Uh Abroy and Brian Merrick 5522 03:41:45,279 --> 03:41:48,479 and uh Mr. 5523 03:41:48,479 --> 03:41:49,760 All right. Well, happy new year, 5524 03:41:49,760 --> 03:41:52,479 council. It's good to see you. Um, I'm 5525 03:41:52,479 --> 03:41:54,319 going to make uh three points in favor 5526 03:41:54,319 --> 03:41:57,200 of uh the resolution. 5527 03:41:57,200 --> 03:42:00,800 Uh, you heard Scott mentioned GEO. If 5528 03:42:00,800 --> 03:42:03,040 you sort of take a big picture view, 5529 03:42:03,040 --> 03:42:04,960 unquestionably, particularly for the 5530 03:42:04,960 --> 03:42:07,680 landside homes, GEO is the number one 5531 03:42:07,680 --> 03:42:09,840 gating item. And I'm not saying this 5532 03:42:09,840 --> 03:42:11,840 from a city standpoint. And I'm actually 5533 03:42:11,840 --> 03:42:14,160 saying this from an overall perspective, 5534 03:42:14,160 --> 03:42:17,520 which is the homeowner is taking 5535 03:42:17,520 --> 03:42:19,760 it takes weeks and months for the 5536 03:42:19,760 --> 03:42:21,760 homeowner's GEO staff to get the report 5537 03:42:21,760 --> 03:42:23,840 back to them. Then it takes several 5538 03:42:23,840 --> 03:42:25,680 weeks for the city to review it and then 5539 03:42:25,680 --> 03:42:28,080 it's followed by several weeks of 5540 03:42:28,080 --> 03:42:30,880 deliberations over the recommendations. 5541 03:42:30,880 --> 03:42:34,160 So if there is anything which I know ADA 5542 03:42:34,160 --> 03:42:37,600 will effectively streamline that process 5543 03:42:37,600 --> 03:42:39,200 to an extent and there were other 5544 03:42:39,200 --> 03:42:40,640 discussion which is going to be helpful 5545 03:42:40,640 --> 03:42:42,080 as well which we heard earlier this 5546 03:42:42,080 --> 03:42:45,359 evening go needs to be the number one 5547 03:42:45,359 --> 03:42:48,239 priority in in terms of accelerating the 5548 03:42:48,239 --> 03:42:51,120 rebuilds. The second point and Danny 5549 03:42:51,120 --> 03:42:53,279 touched upon this as well is we heard 5550 03:42:53,279 --> 03:42:55,920 chatter that this is about removing 5551 03:42:55,920 --> 03:42:57,760 oversight or letting the homeowners run 5552 03:42:57,760 --> 03:43:01,200 wild. Um it's far from that. There is no 5553 03:43:01,200 --> 03:43:02,880 circumventing of any sort of due 5554 03:43:02,880 --> 03:43:06,080 diligence. In fact, it's the opposite. 5555 03:43:06,080 --> 03:43:09,760 When there is lensure at stake, people 5556 03:43:09,760 --> 03:43:12,479 tend to get more conservative and uh the 5557 03:43:12,479 --> 03:43:13,840 design teams tend to make 5558 03:43:13,840 --> 03:43:15,120 recommendations that are more 5559 03:43:15,120 --> 03:43:17,279 conservative. And this we have heard 5560 03:43:17,279 --> 03:43:20,960 firsthand from the city of LA as well. 5561 03:43:20,960 --> 03:43:22,880 The third point which is perhaps the 5562 03:43:22,880 --> 03:43:25,680 most interesting one is the chatter 5563 03:43:25,680 --> 03:43:27,359 leading up to this meeting is that 5564 03:43:27,359 --> 03:43:31,439 apparently ADA is a developers dream. It 5565 03:43:31,439 --> 03:43:34,239 is exactly the opposite of that. 5566 03:43:34,239 --> 03:43:37,040 Developers would welcome complexities 5567 03:43:37,040 --> 03:43:39,120 that would push the homeowners and the 5568 03:43:39,120 --> 03:43:41,600 rebuilders into the arms of the 5569 03:43:41,600 --> 03:43:43,600 developers because they have the 5570 03:43:43,600 --> 03:43:45,040 wherewithal, they have the knowledge. 5571 03:43:45,040 --> 03:43:46,239 They have the budget. They have the 5572 03:43:46,239 --> 03:43:47,439 resources and they have the 5573 03:43:47,439 --> 03:43:49,199 understanding to tackle all of this. the 5574 03:43:49,199 --> 03:43:52,319 homeowners and the rebuilders don't. So, 5575 03:43:52,319 --> 03:43:56,160 this is exactly the opposite of being a 5576 03:43:56,160 --> 03:43:57,359 developer's dream. In fact, the 5577 03:43:57,359 --> 03:44:00,319 developers would want you to reject ADA. 5578 03:44:00,319 --> 03:44:02,479 Thank you. 5579 03:44:02,479 --> 03:44:04,710 >> Thank you, 5580 03:44:04,710 --> 03:44:04,720 » Thank you, 5581 03:44:04,720 --> 03:44:17,750 >> Brian, Merrick. And then, um, Marissa, 5582 03:44:17,760 --> 03:44:21,040 » thanks again. Um I just here a little 5583 03:44:21,040 --> 03:44:22,399 bit to finish up on what I started 5584 03:44:22,399 --> 03:44:24,800 earlier which is you know for your 5585 03:44:24,800 --> 03:44:27,120 benefit to a certain extent but I'm in 5586 03:44:27,120 --> 03:44:30,560 favor of this because um I do believe if 5587 03:44:30,560 --> 03:44:32,800 this has been around we wouldn't you 5588 03:44:32,800 --> 03:44:35,199 know I think the city of Malibu 5589 03:44:35,199 --> 03:44:37,760 uh really fails a lot of the time 5590 03:44:37,760 --> 03:44:39,920 throughout its history by not planning 5591 03:44:39,920 --> 03:44:42,239 for things in the future. So I like the 5592 03:44:42,239 --> 03:44:44,399 idea that we're thinking about that. Um, 5593 03:44:44,399 --> 03:44:46,720 I just want to note that while we're 5594 03:44:46,720 --> 03:44:49,520 about to get our permit, I hope we're 5595 03:44:49,520 --> 03:44:52,720 almost 800,000 into this with all the 5596 03:44:52,720 --> 03:44:54,640 fees and everything that we're doing to 5597 03:44:54,640 --> 03:44:56,319 try and rebuild this beach house and 5598 03:44:56,319 --> 03:45:00,399 it's only 3,800 square ft. Um, so some 5599 03:45:00,399 --> 03:45:01,760 of the things that we ran into that 5600 03:45:01,760 --> 03:45:04,399 maybe you need to look upon would be, 5601 03:45:04,399 --> 03:45:07,040 uh, the fire department for two or three 5602 03:45:07,040 --> 03:45:08,319 weeks, I think it may have been solved, 5603 03:45:08,319 --> 03:45:10,080 but the fire department, you know, 5604 03:45:10,080 --> 03:45:12,160 requested a fuel modification plan for 5605 03:45:12,160 --> 03:45:14,000 our beach house. Okay. So, those are 5606 03:45:14,000 --> 03:45:16,319 just reasonable things, right? Um, and 5607 03:45:16,319 --> 03:45:18,479 finally, it got overturned. Uh, I don't 5608 03:45:18,479 --> 03:45:20,479 think Halen's question was totally 5609 03:45:20,479 --> 03:45:23,040 answered by the CALR thing. I did talk 5610 03:45:23,040 --> 03:45:25,279 to Rob. You should ask Rob again about 5611 03:45:25,279 --> 03:45:27,600 what we talked about as far as municipal 5612 03:45:27,600 --> 03:45:29,760 code of the city of Malibu requiring a 5613 03:45:29,760 --> 03:45:32,640 variance from CALR for all new seaw 5614 03:45:32,640 --> 03:45:34,399 walls. We're not really new seaw walls. 5615 03:45:34,399 --> 03:45:36,399 We're trying to replace an something 5616 03:45:36,399 --> 03:45:38,239 that was there before. And that's what's 5617 03:45:38,239 --> 03:45:39,840 holding us up currently from what I 5618 03:45:39,840 --> 03:45:42,080 understand. This is from my architects. 5619 03:45:42,080 --> 03:45:46,640 Um so based on this uh uh like what is 5620 03:45:46,640 --> 03:45:48,479 the definition of a wildfire? Is it a 5621 03:45:48,479 --> 03:45:50,399 declared disaster by the state or 5622 03:45:50,399 --> 03:45:52,640 federal? I mean or is it a wildfire just 5623 03:45:52,640 --> 03:45:54,399 like hey it started in the canyons and 5624 03:45:54,399 --> 03:45:56,720 it burned one house like who gets the 5625 03:45:56,720 --> 03:45:58,000 benefit from this? So what are the 5626 03:45:58,000 --> 03:46:00,880 definitions of that? Um is there a limit 5627 03:46:00,880 --> 03:46:03,279 on how many houses must be destroyed for 5628 03:46:03,279 --> 03:46:06,880 that to kick in? Right. Um and then how 5629 03:46:06,880 --> 03:46:09,279 much of a structure is does this apply 5630 03:46:09,279 --> 03:46:11,040 to like a guest house? What what what 5631 03:46:11,040 --> 03:46:12,560 exactly are we talking about as far as 5632 03:46:12,560 --> 03:46:14,479 that goes? And how much of that 5633 03:46:14,479 --> 03:46:16,880 structure can be destroyed before it 5634 03:46:16,880 --> 03:46:19,279 kicks in? What if only 50% or what if 5635 03:46:19,279 --> 03:46:22,239 25% of it was was destroyed? Do you get 5636 03:46:22,239 --> 03:46:25,680 the benefits of this? I um I tend to 5637 03:46:25,680 --> 03:46:26,960 agree with what I've heard up here from 5638 03:46:26,960 --> 03:46:28,720 these other people for the most part. 5639 03:46:28,720 --> 03:46:31,920 So, um you know, I just want to make 5640 03:46:31,920 --> 03:46:33,840 sure that there aren't weird little 5641 03:46:33,840 --> 03:46:35,840 loopholes for people, but otherwise, I 5642 03:46:35,840 --> 03:46:37,600 think pre-planning is a good idea. Thank 5643 03:46:37,600 --> 03:46:39,920 you, 5644 03:46:39,920 --> 03:46:41,990 >> Marissa. You're the final in person and 5645 03:46:41,990 --> 03:46:42,000 » Marissa. You're the final in person and 5646 03:46:42,000 --> 03:46:47,830 then we'll go to our online speakers. 5647 03:46:47,840 --> 03:46:51,760 » Hello. Um I my concern is with some 5648 03:46:51,760 --> 03:46:54,080 people who I'm representing now having 5649 03:46:54,080 --> 03:46:56,640 trouble based on the VE zone uh 5650 03:46:56,640 --> 03:47:01,359 elevations doing uh the BF plus one foot 5651 03:47:01,359 --> 03:47:03,359 because they're going to either have a 5652 03:47:03,359 --> 03:47:05,680 detached garage separate and then 5653 03:47:05,680 --> 03:47:07,840 they'll have to have an elevator to take 5654 03:47:07,840 --> 03:47:09,279 them to their front door or something. 5655 03:47:09,279 --> 03:47:10,960 And some of the property owners have 5656 03:47:10,960 --> 03:47:12,399 lived here for a long time and they're 5657 03:47:12,399 --> 03:47:14,720 senior citizens. One of them has a wife 5658 03:47:14,720 --> 03:47:16,960 in a wheelchair and he would have to 5659 03:47:16,960 --> 03:47:20,000 accommodate her getting it. The ADA, 5660 03:47:20,000 --> 03:47:22,880 there's no ADA compliance in the in the 5661 03:47:22,880 --> 03:47:25,600 rebuild formula. Uh I tried to look 5662 03:47:25,600 --> 03:47:28,000 around that, but I'm I went back to the 5663 03:47:28,000 --> 03:47:31,279 Stanford Act as amended in 2013 and 5664 03:47:31,279 --> 03:47:33,920 that's under and that controls FEMA and 5665 03:47:33,920 --> 03:47:36,000 our and correct me if I'm just not 5666 03:47:36,000 --> 03:47:38,560 remembering that our disaster was not 5667 03:47:38,560 --> 03:47:40,880 federally declared. 5668 03:47:40,880 --> 03:47:43,760 Am I incorrect? 5669 03:47:43,760 --> 03:47:44,960 I'm yes or no. 5670 03:47:44,960 --> 03:47:45,590 >> It was 5671 03:47:45,590 --> 03:47:45,600 » It was 5672 03:47:45,600 --> 03:47:48,790 >> it was okay. So even given that if 5673 03:47:48,790 --> 03:47:48,800 » it was okay. So even given that if 5674 03:47:48,800 --> 03:47:51,520 there's a a way to do a [snorts] 5675 03:47:51,520 --> 03:47:53,439 workaround because if they don't have 5676 03:47:53,439 --> 03:47:55,600 insurance FEMA or anything to replace 5677 03:47:55,600 --> 03:47:57,520 it, they're all, you know, underinsured, 5678 03:47:57,520 --> 03:47:59,680 many of them are underinsured. The ones 5679 03:47:59,680 --> 03:48:02,239 that have the VE zone of like 27 or 5680 03:48:02,239 --> 03:48:04,239 something are going to have trouble even 5681 03:48:04,239 --> 03:48:07,359 rebuilding and the cost to do that is 5682 03:48:07,359 --> 03:48:09,439 going to be a lot more for them. So I 5683 03:48:09,439 --> 03:48:12,960 think if we can find an an avenue and I 5684 03:48:12,960 --> 03:48:14,640 can go over with any of you individually 5685 03:48:14,640 --> 03:48:18,319 or something else to reflect on on how 5686 03:48:18,319 --> 03:48:20,239 we're implementing it because it's okay 5687 03:48:20,239 --> 03:48:22,880 to say footprint plus 10 but if you 5688 03:48:22,880 --> 03:48:24,800 can't even put it in the same place and 5689 03:48:24,800 --> 03:48:28,479 you have have to put it higher than the 5690 03:48:28,479 --> 03:48:30,160 previous house because you have to meet 5691 03:48:30,160 --> 03:48:32,399 the base flood elevation plus a foot for 5692 03:48:32,399 --> 03:48:34,160 your finished floor structural 5693 03:48:34,160 --> 03:48:36,319 crossmember. Then that's a problem for a 5694 03:48:36,319 --> 03:48:37,840 lot of these people. I've been running 5695 03:48:37,840 --> 03:48:39,760 into it. I've got four projects right 5696 03:48:39,760 --> 03:48:41,680 now that are having this problem. Most 5697 03:48:41,680 --> 03:48:44,399 of them are down by Tanga. And also 5698 03:48:44,399 --> 03:48:46,479 another thing I think that that if 5699 03:48:46,479 --> 03:48:49,840 Calrans wants to and this addresses the 5700 03:48:49,840 --> 03:48:52,080 septic issue too. If CALR wants their 5701 03:48:52,080 --> 03:48:54,560 highway to stop sliding into these 5702 03:48:54,560 --> 03:48:56,160 things, they should pay for the 5703 03:48:56,160 --> 03:48:58,479 retaining walls that protect their 5704 03:48:58,479 --> 03:49:01,920 highway. And and then that also impacts 5705 03:49:01,920 --> 03:49:04,479 the way that a bulkhead is designed to 5706 03:49:04,479 --> 03:49:06,800 protect a septic system. 5707 03:49:06,800 --> 03:49:08,479 Okay, Bruce is confused, but I can I 5708 03:49:08,479 --> 03:49:09,680 don't want to give you too much detail 5709 03:49:09,680 --> 03:49:11,760 because nobody understands it. I could 5710 03:49:11,760 --> 03:49:13,600 talk to you individually, but I think 5711 03:49:13,600 --> 03:49:15,920 that there are some avenues that that 5712 03:49:15,920 --> 03:49:17,840 might be helpful to them if they're 5713 03:49:17,840 --> 03:49:19,680 having trouble putting it in the same 5714 03:49:19,680 --> 03:49:21,359 footprint and not have to have a 5715 03:49:21,359 --> 03:49:24,720 breakaway garage or separate access. 5716 03:49:24,720 --> 03:49:26,080 Okay, Bruce is dying to ask me 5717 03:49:26,080 --> 03:49:27,760 something. I can just tell. Do you want 5718 03:49:27,760 --> 03:49:28,000 to ask 5719 03:49:28,000 --> 03:49:29,990 >> part 5720 03:49:29,990 --> 03:49:30,000 » part 5721 03:49:30,000 --> 03:49:31,840 I I appreciate the information and 5722 03:49:31,840 --> 03:49:33,680 knowledge you bring to these meetings on 5723 03:49:33,680 --> 03:49:35,600 these matters but I'm really having a 5724 03:49:35,600 --> 03:49:37,520 difficult time tying any of these 5725 03:49:37,520 --> 03:49:39,760 comments to the item that's on the 5726 03:49:39,760 --> 03:49:41,520 agenda tonight as opposed to other 5727 03:49:41,520 --> 03:49:42,800 things that we've been dealing with for 5728 03:49:42,800 --> 03:49:45,120 the past year. So is there a point that 5729 03:49:45,120 --> 03:49:45,920 I'm missing? 5730 03:49:45,920 --> 03:49:46,469 >> No. 5731 03:49:46,469 --> 03:49:46,479 » No. 5732 03:49:46,479 --> 03:49:46,790 >> Okay. 5733 03:49:46,790 --> 03:49:46,800 » Okay. 5734 03:49:46,800 --> 03:49:48,550 >> No, you're not missing anything. I just 5735 03:49:48,550 --> 03:49:48,560 » No, you're not missing anything. I just 5736 03:49:48,560 --> 03:49:51,120 I was just wanted to get that in because 5737 03:49:51,120 --> 03:49:52,560 other times when I've spoken I haven't 5738 03:49:52,560 --> 03:49:54,239 had the opportunity to get it in and 5739 03:49:54,239 --> 03:49:56,160 this has all transpired prior to those 5740 03:49:56,160 --> 03:49:57,439 since those other times. 5741 03:49:57,439 --> 03:49:59,670 >> This is a little sensation 5742 03:49:59,670 --> 03:49:59,680 » This is a little sensation 5743 03:49:59,680 --> 03:50:01,120 snuck right in here being the last 5744 03:50:01,120 --> 03:50:01,520 person. 5745 03:50:01,520 --> 03:50:02,150 >> I got it. 5746 03:50:02,150 --> 03:50:02,160 » I got it. 5747 03:50:02,160 --> 03:50:04,389 >> Okay. Thank you. 5748 03:50:04,389 --> 03:50:04,399 » Okay. Thank you. 5749 03:50:04,399 --> 03:50:07,189 >> Okay. Um do we still have two hands? 5750 03:50:07,189 --> 03:50:07,199 » Okay. Um do we still have two hands? 5751 03:50:07,199 --> 03:50:07,830 >> Yes. 5752 03:50:07,830 --> 03:50:07,840 » Yes. 5753 03:50:07,840 --> 03:50:08,550 >> Okay. 5754 03:50:08,550 --> 03:50:08,560 » Okay. 5755 03:50:08,560 --> 03:50:12,389 >> Joe Drummond. 5756 03:50:12,399 --> 03:50:15,600 » Joe, are you there? 5757 03:50:15,600 --> 03:50:19,110 >> Yes. Council members, this item matters 5758 03:50:19,110 --> 03:50:19,120 » Yes. Council members, this item matters 5759 03:50:19,120 --> 03:50:20,960 because it addresses the single biggest 5760 03:50:20,960 --> 03:50:22,960 cause of fire rebuild delay, not because 5761 03:50:22,960 --> 03:50:24,960 it weakens safety standards. For 5762 03:50:24,960 --> 03:50:27,040 rebuilds on previously developed stable 5763 03:50:27,040 --> 03:50:28,960 lots and mitigated landslide areas, full 5764 03:50:28,960 --> 03:50:31,439 geotechnical investigation should not be 5765 03:50:31,439 --> 03:50:33,359 required. In Big Rock, we receive 5766 03:50:33,359 --> 03:50:35,120 landslide monitoring reports every 5767 03:50:35,120 --> 03:50:37,359 single year, which consistently show no 5768 03:50:37,359 --> 03:50:38,960 measurable movement for at least three 5769 03:50:38,960 --> 03:50:41,520 decades. Regardless, prescriptive 5770 03:50:41,520 --> 03:50:42,960 building codes already allow 5771 03:50:42,960 --> 03:50:44,720 construction in landside areas when 5772 03:50:44,720 --> 03:50:46,960 conservative design standards are met. 5773 03:50:46,960 --> 03:50:48,800 This is the law today here and 5774 03:50:48,800 --> 03:50:50,720 internationally. So, the mere presence 5775 03:50:50,720 --> 03:50:52,640 of a map landslide zone should not be 5776 03:50:52,640 --> 03:50:54,319 used to justify months of additional 5777 03:50:54,319 --> 03:50:56,160 studies where long-term stability is 5778 03:50:56,160 --> 03:50:58,080 already documented. Under current 5779 03:50:58,080 --> 03:51:00,319 practice, geotechnical alone takes eight 5780 03:51:00,319 --> 03:51:02,399 months or more, even for like for-like 5781 03:51:02,399 --> 03:51:04,000 rebuilds of homes that lawfully and 5782 03:51:04,000 --> 03:51:05,840 safely supported existing homes through 5783 03:51:05,840 --> 03:51:08,000 storms, earthquakes, and prior fires for 5784 03:51:08,000 --> 03:51:10,960 decades. Many built before 1970. After 5785 03:51:10,960 --> 03:51:12,640 Wolsey and Palisade, one of the best 5786 03:51:12,640 --> 03:51:14,399 actions the city took was removing 5787 03:51:14,399 --> 03:51:16,640 cottonsh from bu rebuild review. By 5788 03:51:16,640 --> 03:51:18,239 wielding their power over rebuilds, 5789 03:51:18,239 --> 03:51:20,080 projects were repeatedly stalled by 5790 03:51:20,080 --> 03:51:22,479 unnecessary and escalating requirements. 5791 03:51:22,479 --> 03:51:24,239 By contrast, when Yolanda Bundy 5792 03:51:24,239 --> 03:51:26,479 intervened, projects moved forward 5793 03:51:26,479 --> 03:51:28,960 appropriately. In my own case, a 64 5794 03:51:28,960 --> 03:51:30,960 square foot deck built before the fire, 5795 03:51:30,960 --> 03:51:33,120 she allowed staff to rely on a standard 5796 03:51:33,120 --> 03:51:34,880 engineering practice and deferred to my 5797 03:51:34,880 --> 03:51:36,880 licensed structural engineer. That deck 5798 03:51:36,880 --> 03:51:38,800 was negligible in size and risk like our 5799 03:51:38,800 --> 03:51:40,640 rebuilds and it remains standing today. 5800 03:51:40,640 --> 03:51:42,640 So there is precedent here. Meanwhile, 5801 03:51:42,640 --> 03:51:44,960 my 84year-old neighbor on Seabort, the 5802 03:51:44,960 --> 03:51:46,800 first permit issued in Big Rock was 5803 03:51:46,800 --> 03:51:49,120 required to install 19 quesons under an 5804 03:51:49,120 --> 03:51:51,359 uninhabited garage. Any practicing 5805 03:51:51,359 --> 03:51:52,720 geologist or engineer would tell you 5806 03:51:52,720 --> 03:51:54,640 that is overkill. Conservative 5807 03:51:54,640 --> 03:51:56,479 calculations would demonstrate this 5808 03:51:56,479 --> 03:51:58,319 immediately. This is about process 5809 03:51:58,319 --> 03:52:00,640 failure, not safety. Using conservative 5810 03:52:00,640 --> 03:52:02,239 engineering assumptions informed by 5811 03:52:02,239 --> 03:52:04,560 areawide geotechnical data and observed 5812 03:52:04,560 --> 03:52:06,479 historical site performance is standard 5813 03:52:06,479 --> 03:52:08,399 practice and fully protective of public 5814 03:52:08,399 --> 03:52:10,000 safety. Correcting this single 5815 03:52:10,000 --> 03:52:11,680 requirement could reduce total rebuild 5816 03:52:11,680 --> 03:52:13,439 permitting timelines to roughly three 5817 03:52:13,439 --> 03:52:15,439 months instead of 9 months to two years 5818 03:52:15,439 --> 03:52:17,520 and allow Yolanda or city attorney and 5819 03:52:17,520 --> 03:52:19,040 council to be seen as champions of 5820 03:52:19,040 --> 03:52:20,800 recovery. The current approach is 5821 03:52:20,800 --> 03:52:22,800 financial devastation. Families are 5822 03:52:22,800 --> 03:52:24,160 forced to carry mounting monthly 5823 03:52:24,160 --> 03:52:25,840 expenses and fees while navigating a 5824 03:52:25,840 --> 03:52:28,080 fragmented plan check process marked by 5825 03:52:28,080 --> 03:52:29,600 late surprise reviews that render 5826 03:52:29,600 --> 03:52:32,080 advertised 10-day timelines meaningless. 5827 03:52:32,080 --> 03:52:33,840 We support Miss Bundy's decision to hire 5828 03:52:33,840 --> 03:52:35,600 the Santa Rosa Geotechnical Review 5829 03:52:35,600 --> 03:52:37,760 Consultants. This must support recovery, 5830 03:52:37,760 --> 03:52:40,239 not incentivize complexity. You may hear 5831 03:52:40,239 --> 03:52:42,160 this item enables self-certification or 5832 03:52:42,160 --> 03:52:44,160 undermines staff. It does neither. 5833 03:52:44,160 --> 03:52:45,680 Engineers already carry legal 5834 03:52:45,680 --> 03:52:47,359 responsibility. Staff still review 5835 03:52:47,359 --> 03:52:49,120 plans. Inspectors and geologists remain 5836 03:52:49,120 --> 03:52:51,120 on site during construction. The city 5837 03:52:51,120 --> 03:52:53,279 retains full enforcement authority. The 5838 03:52:53,279 --> 03:52:54,800 governor's emergency orders require 5839 03:52:54,800 --> 03:52:56,399 cities to streamline wildfire 5840 03:52:56,399 --> 03:52:59,040 rebuilding. We are asking council to 5841 03:52:59,040 --> 03:53:00,720 direct staff to allow conservative 5842 03:53:00,720 --> 03:53:02,800 prescriptive engineering assumptions for 5843 03:53:02,800 --> 03:53:05,600 rebuilds up to 10%. Rely on area wide 5844 03:53:05,600 --> 03:53:07,359 geotechnical data and long-term 5845 03:53:07,359 --> 03:53:09,279 historical performance. Assign one 5846 03:53:09,279 --> 03:53:10,880 accountable plan check lead with full 5847 03:53:10,880 --> 03:53:12,239 disclosure of requirements and reviews 5848 03:53:12,239 --> 03:53:14,560 on intake. Enforce clear binding review 5849 03:53:14,560 --> 03:53:16,080 timelines consistent with state 5850 03:53:16,080 --> 03:53:17,680 mandates. The city is legally 5851 03:53:17,680 --> 03:53:19,359 responsible for enabling. We're probably 5852 03:53:19,359 --> 03:53:20,399 not prolonging the discussion. 5853 03:53:20,399 --> 03:53:23,510 >> Thank you, Joe. Please. 5854 03:53:23,510 --> 03:53:23,520 » Thank you, Joe. Please. 5855 03:53:23,520 --> 03:53:25,590 >> Next speaker, 5856 03:53:25,590 --> 03:53:25,600 » Next speaker, 5857 03:53:25,600 --> 03:53:27,429 >> Tina Seagull. 5858 03:53:27,429 --> 03:53:27,439 » Tina Seagull. 5859 03:53:27,439 --> 03:53:29,910 >> Tina, are you there? 5860 03:53:29,910 --> 03:53:29,920 » Tina, are you there? 5861 03:53:29,920 --> 03:53:31,269 >> I'm here. Can you hear me? 5862 03:53:31,269 --> 03:53:31,279 » I'm here. Can you hear me? 5863 03:53:31,279 --> 03:53:33,110 >> Yes, we can. Please go ahead. 5864 03:53:33,110 --> 03:53:33,120 » Yes, we can. Please go ahead. 5865 03:53:33,120 --> 03:53:35,189 >> Okay. First of all, mayor and council 5866 03:53:35,189 --> 03:53:35,199 » Okay. First of all, mayor and council 5867 03:53:35,199 --> 03:53:37,120 member, thank you for taking time to 5868 03:53:37,120 --> 03:53:39,520 hear what I have to say. My name is Tina 5869 03:53:39,520 --> 03:53:41,359 Seagull. Our family have been Malibu 5870 03:53:41,359 --> 03:53:44,080 homeowners for over 50 years. 50 years 5871 03:53:44,080 --> 03:53:46,399 ago, two families pulled their resources 5872 03:53:46,399 --> 03:53:49,199 to buy their dream home for $200,000 or 5873 03:53:49,199 --> 03:53:51,359 less. They weren't millionaires, just 5874 03:53:51,359 --> 03:53:53,439 two families who dreamed of owning a 5875 03:53:53,439 --> 03:53:55,279 home on the most beautiful beach in 5876 03:53:55,279 --> 03:53:58,479 California, Lacosta. Over 50 years of 5877 03:53:58,479 --> 03:54:00,880 four generations creating the best 5878 03:54:00,880 --> 03:54:03,359 memories any family could ever imagine. 5879 03:54:03,359 --> 03:54:05,359 birthday parties, fishing with grandpa, 5880 03:54:05,359 --> 03:54:07,600 swimming all day, baptisms, grunion 5881 03:54:07,600 --> 03:54:09,600 runningings, taking our blue and red 5882 03:54:09,600 --> 03:54:11,760 wraps all the way to toys and sports, 5883 03:54:11,760 --> 03:54:13,520 hickory burgers, and watching Endless 5884 03:54:13,520 --> 03:54:15,359 Summer for the millionth time at Mount 5885 03:54:15,359 --> 03:54:18,640 Vu Cinema. One year ago, we watched all 5886 03:54:18,640 --> 03:54:21,920 those memories go up in flames, all but 5887 03:54:21,920 --> 03:54:26,720 three homes gone, 60ome homes destroyed. 5888 03:54:26,720 --> 03:54:29,040 Walking onto that property, my property 5889 03:54:29,040 --> 03:54:32,160 last week, wall after wall after wall 5890 03:54:32,160 --> 03:54:35,600 covered in graffiti, I just wept. I was 5891 03:54:35,600 --> 03:54:37,439 one of the first to hand in person all 5892 03:54:37,439 --> 03:54:39,600 the documents we were asked to submit 5893 03:54:39,600 --> 03:54:42,560 with great hope of a speedy process due 5894 03:54:42,560 --> 03:54:44,960 to promises, fees would be waved, and 5895 03:54:44,960 --> 03:54:47,760 the process would be streamlined. Sadly, 5896 03:54:47,760 --> 03:54:50,800 those promises were not upheld. My plans 5897 03:54:50,800 --> 03:54:53,359 submitted long ago, rejected twice 5898 03:54:53,359 --> 03:54:56,239 already, still await the first step of a 5899 03:54:56,239 --> 03:54:59,279 permit. I'm so tired of answering the 5900 03:54:59,279 --> 03:55:02,239 question, how's the rebuild going? 5901 03:55:02,239 --> 03:55:05,600 Please adopt this resolution. Please let 5902 03:55:05,600 --> 03:55:08,479 us rebuild quickly so we can go back 5903 03:55:08,479 --> 03:55:11,680 home. Thank you. 5904 03:55:11,680 --> 03:55:14,710 >> Thank you. That'll conclude our public 5905 03:55:14,710 --> 03:55:14,720 » Thank you. That'll conclude our public 5906 03:55:14,720 --> 03:55:16,720 comments. 5907 03:55:16,720 --> 03:55:25,110 Hey, who wants to go first? 5908 03:55:25,120 --> 03:55:33,429 » Roshamba, 5909 03:55:33,439 --> 03:55:35,040 you know, listening to the comments, I 5910 03:55:35,040 --> 03:55:38,080 got I guess a one one 5911 03:55:38,080 --> 03:55:40,479 major impression. No matter what we do, 5912 03:55:40,479 --> 03:55:42,720 it's not going to be good enough. No 5913 03:55:42,720 --> 03:55:45,120 matter what we do, I mean, yeah, we 5914 03:55:45,120 --> 03:55:48,239 listen to again, we had this topic on 5915 03:55:48,239 --> 03:55:51,040 the agenda, this this and we were all 5916 03:55:51,040 --> 03:55:55,040 over the place. Uh, and that's going to 5917 03:55:55,040 --> 03:55:59,189 make it more difficult. 5918 03:55:59,199 --> 03:56:03,429 I guess I got two thoughts. 5919 03:56:03,439 --> 03:56:05,040 one 5920 03:56:05,040 --> 03:56:08,000 the 5921 03:56:08,000 --> 03:56:10,560 as Bruce described it and I still think 5922 03:56:10,560 --> 03:56:11,760 falls under the category of 5923 03:56:11,760 --> 03:56:17,040 self-certification of the uh 5924 03:56:17,040 --> 03:56:20,319 applicants engineer can developer 5925 03:56:20,319 --> 03:56:22,080 whatever the heck it is trying to come 5926 03:56:22,080 --> 03:56:24,560 up with a range of what is is available 5927 03:56:24,560 --> 03:56:27,760 or not available and whether how how 5928 03:56:27,760 --> 03:56:30,399 they get the city planner to agree that 5929 03:56:30,399 --> 03:56:33,359 that range is is exists 5930 03:56:33,359 --> 03:56:34,560 and how they're going to how they're 5931 03:56:34,560 --> 03:56:35,840 going to pick and choose from that I 5932 03:56:35,840 --> 03:56:37,600 don't understand yet. I mean, I just 5933 03:56:37,600 --> 03:56:39,840 think that prevent presents more 5934 03:56:39,840 --> 03:56:44,479 complexity to the whole building issue. 5935 03:56:44,479 --> 03:56:46,239 The second thing I think we just got to 5936 03:56:46,239 --> 03:56:49,120 realize just because I put a piece of 5937 03:56:49,120 --> 03:56:51,600 paper together that says, you know, 5938 03:56:51,600 --> 03:56:53,120 we're going to this is going to get done 5939 03:56:53,120 --> 03:56:55,680 in four days, doesn't mean it's going to 5940 03:56:55,680 --> 03:56:57,680 happen that way. I don't know how many 5941 03:56:57,680 --> 03:56:59,199 of you have worked inside of a 5942 03:56:59,199 --> 03:57:01,199 corporation trying to get things done 5943 03:57:01,199 --> 03:57:02,720 and you got to go back. I mean, we 5944 03:57:02,720 --> 03:57:04,960 started off with nothing, right? I mean, 5945 03:57:04,960 --> 03:57:09,760 this this was a we went from zero to 5946 03:57:09,760 --> 03:57:11,279 however many miles an hour we're going 5947 03:57:11,279 --> 03:57:12,720 through right now. It took us a while to 5948 03:57:12,720 --> 03:57:14,880 get there. You don't do that overnight. 5949 03:57:14,880 --> 03:57:16,640 And I'm just afraid if we sit down and 5950 03:57:16,640 --> 03:57:17,840 say, "Okay, we're going to get it done 5951 03:57:17,840 --> 03:57:20,080 in 4 days or 5 days, and that's going to 5952 03:57:20,080 --> 03:57:22,239 be the absolute limit of what we're 5953 03:57:22,239 --> 03:57:24,000 going to do." 5954 03:57:24,000 --> 03:57:25,120 We're going to make people because 5955 03:57:25,120 --> 03:57:26,560 you're not always going to get there. I 5956 03:57:26,560 --> 03:57:29,279 mean, I think everybody's trying and I 5957 03:57:29,279 --> 03:57:31,760 think if I've if I've seen anything take 5958 03:57:31,760 --> 03:57:33,760 place, we you know, we talked about it 5959 03:57:33,760 --> 03:57:36,000 earlier in the meeting. I think Yolanda 5960 03:57:36,000 --> 03:57:38,160 has made huge strides in making this 5961 03:57:38,160 --> 03:57:40,720 thing work better. Uh and I think there 5962 03:57:40,720 --> 03:57:43,359 are more strides to come. I think she's 5963 03:57:43,359 --> 03:57:46,160 got a huge task of trying to train all 5964 03:57:46,160 --> 03:57:47,680 these consultants you got in there. You 5965 03:57:47,680 --> 03:57:49,199 got to keep those guys on track. That 5966 03:57:49,199 --> 03:57:51,680 just that's not easy. I mean, we had we 5967 03:57:51,680 --> 03:57:53,439 had to bring in a whole new staff of 5968 03:57:53,439 --> 03:57:54,800 people to try and get all this stuff 5969 03:57:54,800 --> 03:57:56,880 done. and that has certainly slowed 5970 03:57:56,880 --> 03:57:58,239 things down. And I don't think this 5971 03:57:58,239 --> 03:58:00,160 resolution is going to make a difference 5972 03:58:00,160 --> 03:58:02,800 in that. So, I've got some concerns 5973 03:58:02,800 --> 03:58:04,800 about what this is actually going to 5974 03:58:04,800 --> 03:58:06,640 accomplish for us or how it's going to 5975 03:58:06,640 --> 03:58:08,960 meet the the comments I heard two folks 5976 03:58:08,960 --> 03:58:11,279 giving us. Right. I mean, I don't know 5977 03:58:11,279 --> 03:58:14,000 if it's going to get you what you want. 5978 03:58:14,000 --> 03:58:16,319 Uh I may have more to say or let 5979 03:58:16,319 --> 03:58:20,469 somebody else go for a while. 5980 03:58:20,479 --> 03:58:24,710 » Okay. Um, 5981 03:58:24,720 --> 03:58:27,520 first off, I hear this hear the cries 5982 03:58:27,520 --> 03:58:30,800 for making things work better. 5983 03:58:30,800 --> 03:58:33,040 And if you look back on what the city 5984 03:58:33,040 --> 03:58:36,239 has done, and I'm not trying to take uh 5985 03:58:36,239 --> 03:58:37,760 say we have we could have done things 5986 03:58:37,760 --> 03:58:40,560 better. We changed the municipal code. 5987 03:58:40,560 --> 03:58:43,040 We got the governor to change rules for 5988 03:58:43,040 --> 03:58:47,680 sequo and uh coastal commission that are 5989 03:58:47,680 --> 03:58:50,080 permanent. These are built into the 5990 03:58:50,080 --> 03:58:52,800 Malibu Municipal Code. Now, we've made 5991 03:58:52,800 --> 03:58:55,040 major changes to get to where we are. 5992 03:58:55,040 --> 03:58:57,840 And don't forget this city. When when I 5993 03:58:57,840 --> 03:59:00,800 got voted in to this office, the city's 5994 03:59:00,800 --> 03:59:03,760 philosophy was do everything you can to 5995 03:59:03,760 --> 03:59:06,319 not have a building be added to this 5996 03:59:06,319 --> 03:59:09,120 inventory. And that's part of what's 5997 03:59:09,120 --> 03:59:10,479 actually written into this. You know, 5998 03:59:10,479 --> 03:59:12,239 there's two different rules. Rebuilds 5999 03:59:12,239 --> 03:59:14,560 are one thing. Uh new construction is 6000 03:59:14,560 --> 03:59:18,399 another. So yeah, we had a system set up 6001 03:59:18,399 --> 03:59:20,399 that was designed to slow walk 6002 03:59:20,399 --> 03:59:22,800 everything as opposed to expedite 6003 03:59:22,800 --> 03:59:25,120 anything. We made some pretty good 6004 03:59:25,120 --> 03:59:26,800 changes to that and a lot of these are 6005 03:59:26,800 --> 03:59:30,560 permanent changes. So yeah, it's it's a 6006 03:59:30,560 --> 03:59:32,880 different world than we had a year ago 6007 03:59:32,880 --> 03:59:35,680 tonight, but we still need things to be 6008 03:59:35,680 --> 03:59:38,479 improved and Yolanda has done a lot of 6009 03:59:38,479 --> 03:59:41,199 things to make things better. We hadn't 6010 03:59:41,199 --> 03:59:43,920 even implemented the Baker Tilly report 6011 03:59:43,920 --> 03:59:45,680 which was a critical part about how we 6012 03:59:45,680 --> 03:59:47,439 could make our planning and building and 6013 03:59:47,439 --> 03:59:50,080 safety process better that would even 6014 03:59:50,080 --> 03:59:52,640 even considered. So there's a lot of a 6015 03:59:52,640 --> 03:59:54,080 lot of baggage that need to be cleared 6016 03:59:54,080 --> 03:59:56,479 out of the way. Now, I'm not saying this 6017 03:59:56,479 --> 03:59:58,880 isn't a step in the right direction, but 6018 03:59:58,880 --> 04:00:01,840 I got a lot of problems with this. And 6019 04:00:01,840 --> 04:00:04,080 I've also heard some words that people 6020 04:00:04,080 --> 04:00:07,520 have said in the uh public comments that 6021 04:00:07,520 --> 04:00:10,080 are designed to say, if you take this 6022 04:00:10,080 --> 04:00:12,960 route, you're wrong. Well, let's see if 6023 04:00:12,960 --> 04:00:16,000 we really are wrong. And let me take you 6024 04:00:16,000 --> 04:00:17,840 through a couple of things. First off, I 6025 04:00:17,840 --> 04:00:21,120 got a question to Bruce and Halen. Why 6026 04:00:21,120 --> 04:00:24,160 didn't you have the city staff uh 6027 04:00:24,160 --> 04:00:25,760 associate with you on this? It's one 6028 04:00:25,760 --> 04:00:27,359 thing to have the council which has to 6029 04:00:27,359 --> 04:00:30,160 do this in public, but why is this not 6030 04:00:30,160 --> 04:00:31,920 as it says in here, the attached 6031 04:00:31,920 --> 04:00:34,160 resolution in this report was provided 6032 04:00:34,160 --> 04:00:36,160 by Mayor Pro Tim Silverstein and council 6033 04:00:36,160 --> 04:00:38,160 member Conrad. This report does not 6034 04:00:38,160 --> 04:00:40,080 contain analysis or recommendations 6035 04:00:40,080 --> 04:00:42,640 prepared by the staff. We have some of 6036 04:00:42,640 --> 04:00:46,560 the best people in town and in the area 6037 04:00:46,560 --> 04:00:51,830 and we didn't talk to them. How come? 6038 04:00:51,840 --> 04:00:52,800 Halen 6039 04:00:52,800 --> 04:00:54,630 >> because we're elected officials and we 6040 04:00:54,630 --> 04:00:54,640 » because we're elected officials and we 6041 04:00:54,640 --> 04:00:57,359 are these are policies. 6042 04:00:57,359 --> 04:01:01,189 >> We spoke to them. 6043 04:01:01,199 --> 04:01:03,840 » We spoke to them and we're this is our 6044 04:01:03,840 --> 04:01:05,840 this is inside of our purview from what 6045 04:01:05,840 --> 04:01:08,479 I've understood. We're council. This is 6046 04:01:08,479 --> 04:01:11,600 we make policy. This is policy. We did 6047 04:01:11,600 --> 04:01:15,520 speak to them. I spoke to them. 6048 04:01:15,520 --> 04:01:18,469 >> How that? So yeah, the the answer is 6049 04:01:18,469 --> 04:01:18,479 » How that? So yeah, the the answer is 6050 04:01:18,479 --> 04:01:21,120 first of all, it's it's not an accurate 6051 04:01:21,120 --> 04:01:23,040 um premise that there was no 6052 04:01:23,040 --> 04:01:24,560 conversation. So it's it's kind of like 6053 04:01:24,560 --> 04:01:26,239 when did you stop beating your wife type 6054 04:01:26,239 --> 04:01:27,279 question and I know it wasn't 6055 04:01:27,279 --> 04:01:30,560 intentional. Um but the fact is we did 6056 04:01:30,560 --> 04:01:31,680 have conversations. I'm going to come 6057 04:01:31,680 --> 04:01:34,640 back to them, but we've been operating 6058 04:01:34,640 --> 04:01:37,600 without a city manager for a year. When 6059 04:01:37,600 --> 04:01:40,239 this fire came, we didn't have our 6060 04:01:40,239 --> 04:01:43,520 permanent city manager. he had gone aw. 6061 04:01:43,520 --> 04:01:45,600 We did bring in a very competent 6062 04:01:45,600 --> 04:01:49,040 interim, but it was an interim who was 6063 04:01:49,040 --> 04:01:52,960 who was here more to um keep the peace 6064 04:01:52,960 --> 04:01:55,760 and make sure the lights stayed on and 6065 04:01:55,760 --> 04:01:58,080 and and and provide an empathetic view 6066 04:01:58,080 --> 04:02:00,800 to the residents cuz she was a resident, 6067 04:02:00,800 --> 04:02:02,960 but she was not a city manager who had 6068 04:02:02,960 --> 04:02:04,560 the ability to deal with these kinds of 6069 04:02:04,560 --> 04:02:06,880 policy issues, big picture issues. So, 6070 04:02:06,880 --> 04:02:10,000 we didn't have a city manager. Um, even 6071 04:02:10,000 --> 04:02:11,840 the subordinate staff at the senior 6072 04:02:11,840 --> 04:02:14,000 level was gone. They ditched us after 6073 04:02:14,000 --> 04:02:16,239 the fire. In fact, [clears throat] they 6074 04:02:16,239 --> 04:02:17,600 ditched us because they didn't like the 6075 04:02:17,600 --> 04:02:19,680 fact that the city council was making 6076 04:02:19,680 --> 04:02:22,239 policy decisions that were um that that 6077 04:02:22,239 --> 04:02:23,760 ultimately redounded to everybody's 6078 04:02:23,760 --> 04:02:25,680 benefit. They were upset with the fact 6079 04:02:25,680 --> 04:02:27,279 that they thought we were outside of our 6080 04:02:27,279 --> 04:02:28,880 lane, but we weren't. We were actually 6081 04:02:28,880 --> 04:02:33,040 completely in our lane. Um, Yolanda is 6082 04:02:33,040 --> 04:02:35,600 stretched ridiculously thin. She's 6083 04:02:35,600 --> 04:02:38,239 concentrating on running the [snorts] 6084 04:02:38,239 --> 04:02:40,960 program, not designing the program. 6085 04:02:40,960 --> 04:02:42,399 She's even working on that, too. But 6086 04:02:42,399 --> 04:02:45,040 she's stretched extremely thin. So is 6087 04:02:45,040 --> 04:02:47,680 Tyler. And it's not our job to speak 6088 04:02:47,680 --> 04:02:49,520 with the um subordinate staff. We don't 6089 04:02:49,520 --> 04:02:52,880 we actually aren't even allowed to. So 6090 04:02:52,880 --> 04:02:55,279 we came to all we had all these town 6091 04:02:55,279 --> 04:02:58,399 hall meetings. We had multiple special 6092 04:02:58,399 --> 04:03:01,120 city council meetings. There was all 6093 04:03:01,120 --> 04:03:03,680 kinds of input from the staff, from the 6094 04:03:03,680 --> 04:03:05,680 residents, from other city council 6095 04:03:05,680 --> 04:03:08,479 members. And as a result of taking all 6096 04:03:08,479 --> 04:03:12,319 of that in, we took the laboring ore of 6097 04:03:12,319 --> 04:03:14,319 actually writing something up because we 6098 04:03:14,319 --> 04:03:15,920 didn't have a staff that had the 6099 04:03:15,920 --> 04:03:18,479 bandwidth or in the case of the senior 6100 04:03:18,479 --> 04:03:20,960 management, the experience to do it. We 6101 04:03:20,960 --> 04:03:23,120 stepped up to the plate and we did what 6102 04:03:23,120 --> 04:03:25,600 needed to be done. We then did meet with 6103 04:03:25,600 --> 04:03:28,720 Tyler and Yolanda and we heard their 6104 04:03:28,720 --> 04:03:30,960 comments. They weren't happy with 6105 04:03:30,960 --> 04:03:34,080 everything we did. But you know what? As 6106 04:03:34,080 --> 04:03:37,279 much as we love them and want them to um 6107 04:03:37,279 --> 04:03:39,279 do the great job they're doing, it is, 6108 04:03:39,279 --> 04:03:41,920 as Halen just said, our job to establish 6109 04:03:41,920 --> 04:03:44,399 the policies and the rules, and it's 6110 04:03:44,399 --> 04:03:48,000 their job to implement them. And we try 6111 04:03:48,000 --> 04:03:50,000 we actually made a lot of changes to the 6112 04:03:50,000 --> 04:03:52,720 language to accommodate concerns that 6113 04:03:52,720 --> 04:03:55,439 were raised by Yolanda and Tyler about 6114 04:03:55,439 --> 04:03:56,960 some things that maybe we had gone 6115 04:03:56,960 --> 04:03:58,640 further than they we had gone even 6116 04:03:58,640 --> 04:04:00,560 further than they much we' gone further 6117 04:04:00,560 --> 04:04:02,239 than they would like in some areas that 6118 04:04:02,239 --> 04:04:04,239 we kept it but in other areas where we 6119 04:04:04,239 --> 04:04:06,319 were receptive to the comments and we 6120 04:04:06,319 --> 04:04:10,000 made changes and now we can hash it out 6121 04:04:10,000 --> 04:04:11,840 but I don't think it's a basis for 6122 04:04:11,840 --> 04:04:15,040 rejecting this that um well said it's 6123 04:04:15,040 --> 04:04:16,319 not a basis for rejecting that we deal 6124 04:04:16,319 --> 04:04:18,880 with the staff because we actually did 6125 04:04:18,880 --> 04:04:21,840 and you know if if the question is why 6126 04:04:21,840 --> 04:04:23,520 didn't you deal with the lower level 6127 04:04:23,520 --> 04:04:25,600 staff again you know as well as I do 6128 04:04:25,600 --> 04:04:27,359 we're not even allowed to do that 6129 04:04:27,359 --> 04:04:27,830 >> right 6130 04:04:27,830 --> 04:04:27,840 » right 6131 04:04:27,840 --> 04:04:29,189 >> but but we did 6132 04:04:29,189 --> 04:04:29,199 » but but we did 6133 04:04:29,199 --> 04:04:30,550 >> we are not in ordinary times 6134 04:04:30,550 --> 04:04:30,560 » we are not in ordinary times 6135 04:04:30,560 --> 04:04:32,389 >> right and the way that I see it this is 6136 04:04:32,389 --> 04:04:32,399 » right and the way that I see it this is 6137 04:04:32,399 --> 04:04:34,640 policy and we're policy makers and 6138 04:04:34,640 --> 04:04:37,359 people have I mean they've elected us 6139 04:04:37,359 --> 04:04:39,600 we're in a position we're not 6140 04:04:39,600 --> 04:04:41,199 implementers 6141 04:04:41,199 --> 04:04:43,199 we are looking at problems and we are 6142 04:04:43,199 --> 04:04:44,399 supposed to solve them and we're 6143 04:04:44,399 --> 04:04:46,399 supposed to put them into policy 6144 04:04:46,399 --> 04:04:48,319 And then we go to the staff who's 6145 04:04:48,319 --> 04:04:50,720 extremely competent and they implement 6146 04:04:50,720 --> 04:04:53,680 it. And this is us doing our job in my 6147 04:04:53,680 --> 04:04:56,160 opinion. And I would be very proud of a 6148 04:04:56,160 --> 04:04:58,399 council that would be doing this if I 6149 04:04:58,399 --> 04:05:03,189 was on that side of the audience. 6150 04:05:03,199 --> 04:05:04,160 » Other questions? 6151 04:05:04,160 --> 04:05:07,189 >> Well, I have other questions. Uh, I hear 6152 04:05:07,189 --> 04:05:07,199 » Well, I have other questions. Uh, I hear 6153 04:05:07,199 --> 04:05:08,960 you, but I will I would take a 6154 04:05:08,960 --> 04:05:10,960 disagreement on this because one of the 6155 04:05:10,960 --> 04:05:13,120 things that you learn in leading large 6156 04:05:13,120 --> 04:05:15,120 numbers of people is you have to build a 6157 04:05:15,120 --> 04:05:17,120 consensus. People have to be willing to 6158 04:05:17,120 --> 04:05:20,239 follow you, not just take your orders. 6159 04:05:20,239 --> 04:05:23,040 And that's the difference between policy 6160 04:05:23,040 --> 04:05:27,439 100% versus consensus building. And I 6161 04:05:27,439 --> 04:05:29,120 would I'm not going to put them on the 6162 04:05:29,120 --> 04:05:30,560 spot, but I'd love to know whether or 6163 04:05:30,560 --> 04:05:33,120 not Yolanda and the rest of the staff 6164 04:05:33,120 --> 04:05:35,920 thinks this is a something that ought to 6165 04:05:35,920 --> 04:05:38,000 be implemented or not or how which parts 6166 04:05:38,000 --> 04:05:39,199 they disagree with. But we're not going 6167 04:05:39,199 --> 04:05:40,080 to do that tonight. 6168 04:05:40,080 --> 04:05:41,830 >> Well, just a comment that you know, you 6169 04:05:41,830 --> 04:05:41,840 » Well, just a comment that you know, you 6170 04:05:41,840 --> 04:05:45,040 know, all my career, we both had very 6171 04:05:45,040 --> 04:05:47,600 successful careers in different areas 6172 04:05:47,600 --> 04:05:49,279 and a lot of people that have been very 6173 04:05:49,279 --> 04:05:50,960 successful in both those areas do it 6174 04:05:50,960 --> 04:05:52,960 based on the belief that consensus 6175 04:05:52,960 --> 04:05:55,040 building is critical. And a lot of 6176 04:05:55,040 --> 04:05:56,800 others do it on the basis that they 6177 04:05:56,800 --> 04:05:58,239 actually understand what needs to be 6178 04:05:58,239 --> 04:05:59,600 done and they get it done whether other 6179 04:05:59,600 --> 04:06:02,080 people agree or not. Uh and there are 6180 04:06:02,080 --> 04:06:03,600 plenty of failures in both ways and 6181 04:06:03,600 --> 04:06:04,880 there are plenty of successes in both 6182 04:06:04,880 --> 04:06:06,479 ways. One of those ways over the other 6183 04:06:06,479 --> 04:06:09,279 is not necessarily better. The result is 6184 04:06:09,279 --> 04:06:11,120 what matters. 6185 04:06:11,120 --> 04:06:12,710 >> That's right. And that's that's one of 6186 04:06:12,710 --> 04:06:12,720 » That's right. And that's that's one of 6187 04:06:12,720 --> 04:06:14,479 the things you want to try and ensure. 6188 04:06:14,479 --> 04:06:16,399 And I think building a consensus is 6189 04:06:16,399 --> 04:06:18,160 better. But that's all right. We'll get 6190 04:06:18,160 --> 04:06:22,560 past that. Um I am a little taken back 6191 04:06:22,560 --> 04:06:25,439 by the uh comment recommended action at 6192 04:06:25,439 --> 04:06:27,040 the request of the mayor pro Tim and 6193 04:06:27,040 --> 04:06:29,120 Silverstein and council member Conrad 6194 04:06:29,120 --> 04:06:31,040 discuss and provide direction on the 6195 04:06:31,040 --> 04:06:32,560 attached resolution. 6196 04:06:32,560 --> 04:06:35,590 >> But this is because the staff didn't put 6197 04:06:35,590 --> 04:06:35,600 » But this is because the staff didn't put 6198 04:06:35,600 --> 04:06:37,439 this together. Look, let's go back to 6199 04:06:37,439 --> 04:06:39,279 how this city council works and what our 6200 04:06:39,279 --> 04:06:42,160 resolutions are and how we work. We all 6201 04:06:42,160 --> 04:06:45,120 have the ability to make propose council 6202 04:06:45,120 --> 04:06:47,439 member proposals. 6203 04:06:47,439 --> 04:06:49,120 The staff also puts things on the 6204 04:06:49,120 --> 04:06:50,560 agenda. When they put them on the 6205 04:06:50,560 --> 04:06:53,199 agenda, they prepare a report. 6206 04:06:53,199 --> 04:06:55,429 >> When we prepare something, they don't 6207 04:06:55,429 --> 04:06:55,439 » When we prepare something, they don't 6208 04:06:55,439 --> 04:06:57,520 create a report for us. In fact, this, 6209 04:06:57,520 --> 04:06:58,560 you know, this is one of the reasons I 6210 04:06:58,560 --> 04:07:00,640 ran for city council 5 years ago for the 6211 04:07:00,640 --> 04:07:02,800 first time. I was offended by the fact 6212 04:07:02,800 --> 04:07:05,760 that the staff was micromanaging the 6213 04:07:05,760 --> 04:07:07,439 city council. And I don't mean the staff 6214 04:07:07,439 --> 04:07:10,239 at the staff as in like Yolanda's level. 6215 04:07:10,239 --> 04:07:12,479 I mean the then city manager. They were 6216 04:07:12,479 --> 04:07:14,399 micro she was micromanaging the city 6217 04:07:14,399 --> 04:07:16,160 council. City council couldn't get 6218 04:07:16,160 --> 04:07:18,080 anything on an agenda that it wanted 6219 04:07:18,080 --> 04:07:21,439 unless it went through the boss, but 6220 04:07:21,439 --> 04:07:23,840 that was not the right boss. So, we 6221 04:07:23,840 --> 04:07:25,680 don't get the staff won't prepare report 6222 04:07:25,680 --> 04:07:27,279 for us when we do something like this. 6223 04:07:27,279 --> 04:07:28,960 The only way we can get a staff report 6224 04:07:28,960 --> 04:07:31,840 is if we take six months to go through 6225 04:07:31,840 --> 04:07:34,399 this consensus building activity and 6226 04:07:34,399 --> 04:07:36,479 have it changed in all kinds of ways and 6227 04:07:36,479 --> 04:07:38,640 have them then prepare a report. That's 6228 04:07:38,640 --> 04:07:40,960 their recommendation. Okay? But that's 6229 04:07:40,960 --> 04:07:42,720 this is not a staff recommendation. This 6230 04:07:42,720 --> 04:07:45,040 is a city council member recommendation. 6231 04:07:45,040 --> 04:07:47,279 It's from two out of five. 6232 04:07:47,279 --> 04:07:48,550 >> And [snorts and clears throat] I think 6233 04:07:48,550 --> 04:07:48,560 » And [snorts and clears throat] I think 6234 04:07:48,560 --> 04:07:50,640 that 6235 04:07:50,640 --> 04:07:52,720 we're entitled to the respect of having 6236 04:07:52,720 --> 04:07:55,040 it reviewed on the merits and the mere 6237 04:07:55,040 --> 04:07:56,960 fact that we presented it as opposed to 6238 04:07:56,960 --> 04:07:58,960 the staff presenting it is not in and of 6239 04:07:58,960 --> 04:08:00,319 itself a meaningful objection. 6240 04:08:00,319 --> 04:08:02,229 >> Now, my my question was really what are 6241 04:08:02,229 --> 04:08:02,239 » Now, my my question was really what are 6242 04:08:02,239 --> 04:08:04,239 you asking this council to do? 6243 04:08:04,239 --> 04:08:05,910 >> Adopt this resolution, right? 6244 04:08:05,910 --> 04:08:05,920 » Adopt this resolution, right? 6245 04:08:05,920 --> 04:08:07,670 >> It says direction. I was just trying to 6246 04:08:07,670 --> 04:08:07,680 » It says direction. I was just trying to 6247 04:08:07,680 --> 04:08:09,199 figure out because it says direction on 6248 04:08:09,199 --> 04:08:13,030 the attached resolution. 6249 04:08:13,040 --> 04:08:15,120 Yeah, the direction would be approve the 6250 04:08:15,120 --> 04:08:16,560 resolution. You know, look, we didn't 6251 04:08:16,560 --> 04:08:18,399 write this. We didn't even write this 6252 04:08:18,399 --> 04:08:20,560 this okay, this front report. We didn't 6253 04:08:20,560 --> 04:08:22,560 have any approval of this front report. 6254 04:08:22,560 --> 04:08:24,800 I would have written it differently. 6255 04:08:24,800 --> 04:08:27,349 >> All right. Um, 6256 04:08:27,349 --> 04:08:27,359 » All right. Um, 6257 04:08:27,359 --> 04:08:29,359 I don't have a problem with much of 6258 04:08:29,359 --> 04:08:31,439 what's in here, but I do have a problem 6259 04:08:31,439 --> 04:08:33,680 with your number one and number two 6260 04:08:33,680 --> 04:08:37,600 paragraphs. And one of the comments I 6261 04:08:37,600 --> 04:08:40,399 want to read back uh I've heard several 6262 04:08:40,399 --> 04:08:44,469 times about the geology 6263 04:08:44,479 --> 04:08:46,160 people have been reaching out to Santa 6264 04:08:46,160 --> 04:08:50,319 Rosa um to get their input and there's 6265 04:08:50,319 --> 04:08:51,840 really two different versions of their 6266 04:08:51,840 --> 04:08:54,399 input uh from Santa Rosa and I want to 6267 04:08:54,399 --> 04:08:58,160 read the part about geology. Uh this is 6268 04:08:58,160 --> 04:09:01,279 from the chief building official in fact 6269 04:09:01,279 --> 04:09:05,439 last week uh I guess it's uh Jimmy Bliss 6270 04:09:05,439 --> 04:09:07,520 and he says and this is addressed to uh 6271 04:09:07,520 --> 04:09:09,520 Joe Drummond and a variety of other 6272 04:09:09,520 --> 04:09:11,120 people and I'm included on this along 6273 04:09:11,120 --> 04:09:12,800 with I think some of the city the 6274 04:09:12,800 --> 04:09:15,359 council members and here's the quote the 6275 04:09:15,359 --> 04:09:16,720 California building and residential 6276 04:09:16,720 --> 04:09:18,479 codes do not allow the building official 6277 04:09:18,479 --> 04:09:21,600 to wave requirements in general only to 6278 04:09:21,600 --> 04:09:23,680 interpret them. see the California 6279 04:09:23,680 --> 04:09:26,000 residential code. So and so many of the 6280 04:09:26,000 --> 04:09:28,000 properties destroyed by our fires were 6281 04:09:28,000 --> 04:09:29,920 up in the hills and the combination of 6282 04:09:29,920 --> 04:09:32,399 fire and subsequent demolition grading 6283 04:09:32,399 --> 04:09:34,319 operations significantly changed many of 6284 04:09:34,319 --> 04:09:36,239 the soil properties conditions in those 6285 04:09:36,239 --> 04:09:39,120 areas. In the hills here, it is quite 6286 04:09:39,120 --> 04:09:40,640 common for the slope and state of the 6287 04:09:40,640 --> 04:09:42,960 soil to require a geotechnical report 6288 04:09:42,960 --> 04:09:45,279 anyways and the reports typically 6289 04:09:45,279 --> 04:09:46,960 recommend peer and great beam 6290 04:09:46,960 --> 04:09:50,880 foundations on a case-byase basis where 6291 04:09:50,880 --> 04:09:53,040 we were sometimes able to accept mostly 6292 04:09:53,040 --> 04:09:54,800 in the flatter regions affected by the 6293 04:09:54,800 --> 04:09:56,960 fires older geotechnical reports for 6294 04:09:56,960 --> 04:09:59,120 those properties of subdivisions. The 6295 04:09:59,120 --> 04:10:00,640 only time the building official can 6296 04:10:00,640 --> 04:10:02,160 allow work to proceed without a 6297 04:10:02,160 --> 04:10:04,319 geological report is when they have 6298 04:10:04,319 --> 04:10:06,560 sufficient evidence knowledge of a 6299 04:10:06,560 --> 04:10:08,720 specific site to determine the proposed 6300 04:10:08,720 --> 04:10:11,359 design is okay without it. Anywhere 6301 04:10:11,359 --> 04:10:13,760 affected by, in their case, bay mud, 6302 04:10:13,760 --> 04:10:16,880 sandy soils, landslide areas, expansive 6303 04:10:16,880 --> 04:10:19,680 soils, compressible soils, or areas on 6304 04:10:19,680 --> 04:10:21,680 significant slopes would not typically 6305 04:10:21,680 --> 04:10:24,000 fall in this category. Geotechnical 6306 04:10:24,000 --> 04:10:26,319 reports are an important part of 6307 04:10:26,319 --> 04:10:27,760 ensuring your future homes and 6308 04:10:27,760 --> 04:10:30,479 businesses are built in a safe manner. 6309 04:10:30,479 --> 04:10:33,040 Um, I'd also highlight the fact that, 6310 04:10:33,040 --> 04:10:34,319 you know, you're not doing this just for 6311 04:10:34,319 --> 04:10:36,319 the home that's being built, but for 6312 04:10:36,319 --> 04:10:38,880 everybody around it. To be downs slope 6313 04:10:38,880 --> 04:10:40,880 of a failing hillside. Just a second. 6314 04:10:40,880 --> 04:10:41,510 >> Yeah. 6315 04:10:41,510 --> 04:10:41,520 » Yeah. 6316 04:10:41,520 --> 04:10:43,910 >> Yeah. Just downs slope of a failing 6317 04:10:43,910 --> 04:10:43,920 » Yeah. Just downs slope of a failing 6318 04:10:43,920 --> 04:10:46,000 hillside where a house is going to fall 6319 04:10:46,000 --> 04:10:49,439 on your house. That's not the that's not 6320 04:10:49,439 --> 04:10:51,520 just a concern of the home builder of 6321 04:10:51,520 --> 04:10:53,199 the home that's failing, but it's 6322 04:10:53,199 --> 04:10:54,960 everybody around it, not to mention the 6323 04:10:54,960 --> 04:10:57,120 values of properties, 6324 04:10:57,120 --> 04:10:59,199 especially when it could have been uh 6325 04:10:59,199 --> 04:11:00,720 avoided by having the proper 6326 04:11:00,720 --> 04:11:01,279 construction. 6327 04:11:01,279 --> 04:11:04,070 >> Yeah. Yeah. I I I concur 100% with 6328 04:11:04,070 --> 04:11:04,080 » Yeah. Yeah. I I I concur 100% with 6329 04:11:04,080 --> 04:11:05,680 everything you just said, and I've said 6330 04:11:05,680 --> 04:11:07,600 it myself in the past, and there's 6331 04:11:07,600 --> 04:11:09,920 absolutely nothing in the language here, 6332 04:11:09,920 --> 04:11:12,479 if you read it word for word, that says 6333 04:11:12,479 --> 04:11:13,680 anything to the contrary. 6334 04:11:13,680 --> 04:11:16,229 >> All right. I disagree, I disagree. Um, 6335 04:11:16,229 --> 04:11:16,239 » All right. I disagree, I disagree. Um, 6336 04:11:16,239 --> 04:11:17,670 >> so let's talk about the language. 6337 04:11:17,670 --> 04:11:17,680 » so let's talk about the language. 6338 04:11:17,680 --> 04:11:19,910 >> Well, let's talk about structure here. 6339 04:11:19,910 --> 04:11:19,920 » Well, let's talk about structure here. 6340 04:11:19,920 --> 04:11:23,120 You got two different ideas. And I know 6341 04:11:23,120 --> 04:11:24,640 the comment was made. Let's don't make 6342 04:11:24,640 --> 04:11:26,720 this self-certification. Well, wait a 6343 04:11:26,720 --> 04:11:29,199 minute. What is this? When you look at 6344 04:11:29,199 --> 04:11:31,359 number one, it says to that end, 6345 04:11:31,359 --> 04:11:33,040 whenever there's a difference of opinion 6346 04:11:33,040 --> 04:11:34,960 on an issue that the director of 6347 04:11:34,960 --> 04:11:36,399 community development department 6348 04:11:36,399 --> 04:11:38,560 recognizes to be different of opinion 6349 04:11:38,560 --> 04:11:40,399 upon which reasonable professional civil 6350 04:11:40,399 --> 04:11:42,800 engineers might differ, the city staff 6351 04:11:42,800 --> 04:11:44,720 shall defer to the stamped and certified 6352 04:11:44,720 --> 04:11:46,960 decision of the civil engineer employed 6353 04:11:46,960 --> 04:11:49,279 by the applicant so long as the engineer 6354 04:11:49,279 --> 04:11:51,920 is a California licensed civil engineer 6355 04:11:51,920 --> 04:11:54,000 experienced in a particular practice 6356 04:11:54,000 --> 04:11:55,760 that's implicated by this controversy 6357 04:11:55,760 --> 04:11:56,479 and so forth. 6358 04:11:56,479 --> 04:11:58,870 >> Yes. 6359 04:11:58,870 --> 04:11:58,880 » Yes. 6360 04:11:58,880 --> 04:12:01,520 Now what that does is say in 6361 04:12:01,520 --> 04:12:03,439 self-certification 6362 04:12:03,439 --> 04:12:06,239 the homeowner or builder is responsible 6363 04:12:06,239 --> 04:12:10,000 and takes the liability for hold on for 6364 04:12:10,000 --> 04:12:12,080 the for a self-certification. In fact 6365 04:12:12,080 --> 04:12:15,279 it's recorded as such on the title. Now 6366 04:12:15,279 --> 04:12:18,080 uh on the title report what you've done 6367 04:12:18,080 --> 04:12:20,479 though here is to say that if you give 6368 04:12:20,479 --> 04:12:23,760 me a u 6369 04:12:23,760 --> 04:12:26,560 engineering report say geology or 6370 04:12:26,560 --> 04:12:29,760 structural and we don't agree with it 6371 04:12:29,760 --> 04:12:32,080 your applicant wins. 6372 04:12:32,080 --> 04:12:35,189 >> No hold on it's what that's the way I'm 6373 04:12:35,189 --> 04:12:35,199 » No hold on it's what that's the way I'm 6374 04:12:35,199 --> 04:12:37,279 reading it. But hold on and if that's 6375 04:12:37,279 --> 04:12:39,279 the case we're going to issue a building 6376 04:12:39,279 --> 04:12:41,680 permit and now the city takes the 6377 04:12:41,680 --> 04:12:43,199 responsibility. 6378 04:12:43,199 --> 04:12:44,950 >> Okay. So, so it doesn't No, but this is 6379 04:12:44,950 --> 04:12:44,960 » Okay. So, so it doesn't No, but this is 6380 04:12:44,960 --> 04:12:46,479 the point. It doesn't say that. But to 6381 04:12:46,479 --> 04:12:48,080 the extent you're concerned that it 6382 04:12:48,080 --> 04:12:50,000 suggests that, that's the point of this 6383 04:12:50,000 --> 04:12:51,760 discussion now is we should tweak the 6384 04:12:51,760 --> 04:12:53,520 words to get to the point where we all 6385 04:12:53,520 --> 04:12:54,880 reach an agreement on what it should 6386 04:12:54,880 --> 04:12:55,520 mean. 6387 04:12:55,520 --> 04:12:56,630 >> But [snorts] let let me just give you an 6388 04:12:56,630 --> 04:12:56,640 » But [snorts] let let me just give you an 6389 04:12:56,640 --> 04:12:58,479 analogy because I was thinking about 6390 04:12:58,479 --> 04:13:00,159 this in response to Steve's comment too 6391 04:13:00,159 --> 04:13:00,960 earlier 6392 04:13:00,960 --> 04:13:03,750 >> where he said that um it looks like a 6393 04:13:03,750 --> 04:13:03,760 » where he said that um it looks like a 6394 04:13:03,760 --> 04:13:06,560 version of self-certification. And I I 6395 04:13:06,560 --> 04:13:09,760 am not sufficiently versed in building 6396 04:13:09,760 --> 04:13:11,760 code issues to be able to give a 6397 04:13:11,760 --> 04:13:14,000 specific example in the building code. 6398 04:13:14,000 --> 04:13:16,880 Maybe Yolanda can let me let me just but 6399 04:13:16,880 --> 04:13:18,479 I'll give you an analogy in the law 6400 04:13:18,479 --> 04:13:22,159 which I think works pretty well. When um 6401 04:13:22,159 --> 04:13:24,319 there's a jury decision or or at a bench 6402 04:13:24,319 --> 04:13:26,239 trial, a judge's decision, and somebody 6403 04:13:26,239 --> 04:13:30,159 appeals, the question on appeal is not 6404 04:13:30,159 --> 04:13:32,560 is the party who lost 6405 04:13:32,560 --> 04:13:34,720 right in the arguments about why they 6406 04:13:34,720 --> 04:13:36,880 shouldn't have lost. The question isn't 6407 04:13:36,880 --> 04:13:39,120 should the party have who won should 6408 04:13:39,120 --> 04:13:41,520 they have won. The question is, is there 6409 04:13:41,520 --> 04:13:44,880 a basis in the record to support the 6410 04:13:44,880 --> 04:13:46,800 decision that the jury or the judge 6411 04:13:46,800 --> 04:13:48,800 reached? 6412 04:13:48,800 --> 04:13:50,880 What this is intended to do, and and 6413 04:13:50,880 --> 04:13:51,760 that's [clears throat] a pretty that's a 6414 04:13:51,760 --> 04:13:53,359 more liberal standard than this, by the 6415 04:13:53,359 --> 04:13:56,239 way. What this is intended to do is say 6416 04:13:56,239 --> 04:13:58,800 when the appellet judge here, Yolanda or 6417 04:13:58,800 --> 04:14:01,520 whoever's in Yolanda's seat at the time, 6418 04:14:01,520 --> 04:14:05,199 looks at a range of alternatives and the 6419 04:14:05,199 --> 04:14:07,600 and the one that is being advocated by 6420 04:14:07,600 --> 04:14:09,840 the homeowner is within one of those 6421 04:14:09,840 --> 04:14:12,399 alternatives that she believes is fair 6422 04:14:12,399 --> 04:14:14,399 and appropriate and fits the the 6423 04:14:14,399 --> 04:14:16,640 requirements. Then notwithstanding the 6424 04:14:16,640 --> 04:14:18,319 fact that she might personally have 6425 04:14:18,319 --> 04:14:20,159 reached a different decision had she 6426 04:14:20,159 --> 04:14:23,760 been on the jury, she'll affirm the 6427 04:14:23,760 --> 04:14:25,520 decision that's being presented to her 6428 04:14:25,520 --> 04:14:27,520 because it falls within a range of 6429 04:14:27,520 --> 04:14:30,319 reasonable approaches. It doesn't say 6430 04:14:30,319 --> 04:14:33,199 that if it isn't within that range in 6431 04:14:33,199 --> 04:14:36,239 her judgment that she will approve it. 6432 04:14:36,239 --> 04:14:38,960 It says that if it's in that range, so 6433 04:14:38,960 --> 04:14:40,479 so long as it hits the range, even if 6434 04:14:40,479 --> 04:14:42,239 it's at the bottom end, and she likes to 6435 04:14:42,239 --> 04:14:43,840 be more cautious than that, and she 6436 04:14:43,840 --> 04:14:46,159 would rather them be 20% better than the 6437 04:14:46,159 --> 04:14:48,159 minimum requirement, she won't impose 6438 04:14:48,159 --> 04:14:50,000 that requirement on them because they've 6439 04:14:50,000 --> 04:14:51,760 hit the minimum that they're required 6440 04:14:51,760 --> 04:14:54,960 to. So, she's saying, "If I were on the 6441 04:14:54,960 --> 04:14:56,479 jury, I might not have I might not have 6442 04:14:56,479 --> 04:14:59,359 ruled for that party, but I understand 6443 04:14:59,359 --> 04:15:02,000 why that party won. It's a fair and just 6444 04:15:02,000 --> 04:15:03,680 result, and I'm going to therefore go 6445 04:15:03,680 --> 04:15:05,760 with it." Okay, Bruce, we're not done 6446 04:15:05,760 --> 04:15:07,279 court of law, but let me give you let me 6447 04:15:07,279 --> 04:15:11,359 give you a 100% example of why this is 6448 04:15:11,359 --> 04:15:14,000 fatal. And I also will tell you why this 6449 04:15:14,000 --> 04:15:17,680 is a developer's dream. 6450 04:15:17,680 --> 04:15:19,269 >> A developer that wants to do a lake for 6451 04:15:19,269 --> 04:15:19,279 » A developer that wants to do a lake for 6452 04:15:19,279 --> 04:15:20,000 lake rebuild. 6453 04:15:20,000 --> 04:15:20,630 >> You bet. 6454 04:15:20,630 --> 04:15:20,640 » You bet. 6455 04:15:20,640 --> 04:15:21,269 >> Okay, 6456 04:15:21,269 --> 04:15:21,279 » Okay, 6457 04:15:21,279 --> 04:15:24,950 >> let's take my house built in 1998 to 6458 04:15:24,950 --> 04:15:24,960 » let's take my house built in 1998 to 6459 04:15:24,960 --> 04:15:29,040 2000. I have a very wellrespected 6460 04:15:29,040 --> 04:15:31,840 architect engineer came up and said, 6461 04:15:31,840 --> 04:15:33,840 "For my house, it's going to have a And 6462 04:15:33,840 --> 04:15:35,279 the contractors out here don't know 6463 04:15:35,279 --> 04:15:38,720 this. A post-tension slab 6464 04:15:38,720 --> 04:15:41,920 came to the city and they said, "Not so 6465 04:15:41,920 --> 04:15:44,960 fast. You're on a hillside slope. You 6466 04:15:44,960 --> 04:15:47,520 need 23 quesons. 6467 04:15:47,520 --> 04:15:50,399 The extra cost in 2000 was about 6468 04:15:50,399 --> 04:15:53,680 $100,000. Today that's $500,000. That's 6469 04:15:53,680 --> 04:15:55,760 within the range you just described. A 6470 04:15:55,760 --> 04:15:59,359 post-tension slab by a a contractor 6471 04:15:59,359 --> 04:16:01,920 that's experienced in Malibu versus what 6472 04:16:01,920 --> 04:16:03,520 the city required. 6473 04:16:03,520 --> 04:16:07,040 Now, 20 years later, the hillside down 6474 04:16:07,040 --> 04:16:10,479 the street from me failed. $7 million to 6475 04:16:10,479 --> 04:16:13,920 fix the project and 6476 04:16:13,920 --> 04:16:16,319 my house, one of the comforts I had was 6477 04:16:16,319 --> 04:16:19,920 I'm on 23 quesons. The house had it been 6478 04:16:19,920 --> 04:16:22,000 on just a post-tension slab might have 6479 04:16:22,000 --> 04:16:24,560 moved more and we would have a different 6480 04:16:24,560 --> 04:16:26,800 problem. But here's the advant here's 6481 04:16:26,800 --> 04:16:28,560 what happens. And let's take our guys in 6482 04:16:28,560 --> 04:16:30,080 New Zealand just to pick on them for a 6483 04:16:30,080 --> 04:16:31,760 minute. who some of the people that are 6484 04:16:31,760 --> 04:16:35,120 that are uh promoting some of this may 6485 04:16:35,120 --> 04:16:37,600 actually have a relationship with them. 6486 04:16:37,600 --> 04:16:39,120 They're going to have this property 6487 04:16:39,120 --> 04:16:43,040 these units constructed in China 6488 04:16:43,040 --> 04:16:45,439 and you can have a California engineer 6489 04:16:45,439 --> 04:16:48,000 in China certify whatever they're doing 6490 04:16:48,000 --> 04:16:50,159 structural design and so forth. How's 6491 04:16:50,159 --> 04:16:52,560 the city going to uh override that with 6492 04:16:52,560 --> 04:16:54,239 your language that says that there's a 6493 04:16:54,239 --> 04:16:57,680 range of possibilities within uh their 6494 04:16:57,680 --> 04:16:58,880 determination, professional 6495 04:16:58,880 --> 04:17:01,040 determination? And the answer is well, 6496 04:17:01,040 --> 04:17:02,239 you might lose your license. 6497 04:17:02,239 --> 04:17:04,309 >> No, the city's not overriding anything. 6498 04:17:04,309 --> 04:17:04,319 » No, the city's not overriding anything. 6499 04:17:04,319 --> 04:17:06,479 City's not overriding anything. The city 6500 04:17:06,479 --> 04:17:09,040 is in the first instance evaluating the 6501 04:17:09,040 --> 04:17:09,920 proposal. 6502 04:17:09,920 --> 04:17:12,229 >> Let me and this is where you get a 6503 04:17:12,229 --> 04:17:12,239 » Let me and this is where you get a 6504 04:17:12,239 --> 04:17:14,399 question. Who is right? So you got the 6505 04:17:14,399 --> 04:17:18,319 engineer in China who is certified by 6506 04:17:18,319 --> 04:17:22,159 California is licensed and he says or 6507 04:17:22,159 --> 04:17:24,239 she says I think this structural design 6508 04:17:24,239 --> 04:17:26,720 works. It works for us in other places. 6509 04:17:26,720 --> 04:17:29,199 It's within the range of possibilities 6510 04:17:29,199 --> 04:17:32,870 >> aso as opposed to having the city decide 6511 04:17:32,870 --> 04:17:32,880 » aso as opposed to having the city decide 6512 04:17:32,880 --> 04:17:35,120 what's what's competent or not. Now hold 6513 04:17:35,120 --> 04:17:38,319 on Bruce. If you've got 16 lots and you 6514 04:17:38,319 --> 04:17:39,760 can build them for a half a million 6515 04:17:39,760 --> 04:17:42,159 dollars cheaper, the developer just 6516 04:17:42,159 --> 04:17:44,880 picks up $8 million worth of profit. 6517 04:17:44,880 --> 04:17:46,229 >> You're creating a straw man. 6518 04:17:46,229 --> 04:17:46,239 » You're creating a straw man. 6519 04:17:46,239 --> 04:17:47,830 >> No, I'm not creating a straw man. I'm 6520 04:17:47,830 --> 04:17:47,840 » No, I'm not creating a straw man. I'm 6521 04:17:47,840 --> 04:17:49,279 giving you an example of where this is 6522 04:17:49,279 --> 04:17:52,080 going to go. And the reason why I say 6523 04:17:52,080 --> 04:17:55,040 this, if you had self-certification, 6524 04:17:55,040 --> 04:17:56,880 the homeowner, developer would have to 6525 04:17:56,880 --> 04:17:59,040 be responsible for it. And this is the 6526 04:17:59,040 --> 04:18:01,760 reason why the major home builders in 6527 04:18:01,760 --> 04:18:03,760 the United States, at least in San Diego 6528 04:18:03,760 --> 04:18:05,760 and Phoenix, have said, "We're not 6529 04:18:05,760 --> 04:18:07,359 touching self-certification because 6530 04:18:07,359 --> 04:18:09,520 we're responsible for it." But when you 6531 04:18:09,520 --> 04:18:11,520 take the approach you have here, the 6532 04:18:11,520 --> 04:18:14,239 city becomes responsible for it. I think 6533 04:18:14,239 --> 04:18:15,920 you'd be a lot better off if we didn't 6534 04:18:15,920 --> 04:18:17,760 have any part of this right here in 6535 04:18:17,760 --> 04:18:21,120 number two and let the city staff make 6536 04:18:21,120 --> 04:18:23,040 the decision because it's our permit 6537 04:18:23,040 --> 04:18:26,800 that's on it, our name. And by the way, 6538 04:18:26,800 --> 04:18:28,479 one of the things that that isn't 6539 04:18:28,479 --> 04:18:31,120 mentioned here, who's got the liability 6540 04:18:31,120 --> 04:18:33,359 insurance for a bad decision by the 6541 04:18:33,359 --> 04:18:34,880 outside engineer? Okay, 6542 04:18:34,880 --> 04:18:36,950 >> the answer. Hold on. Did you know that 6543 04:18:36,950 --> 04:18:36,960 » the answer. Hold on. Did you know that 6544 04:18:36,960 --> 04:18:38,960 California doesn't require liability 6545 04:18:38,960 --> 04:18:42,319 insurance for any engineers? 6546 04:18:42,319 --> 04:18:43,990 >> I'm going to submit to you that you're 6547 04:18:43,990 --> 04:18:44,000 » I'm going to submit to you that you're 6548 04:18:44,000 --> 04:18:45,279 misreading this. 6549 04:18:45,279 --> 04:18:45,670 >> All right. 6550 04:18:45,670 --> 04:18:45,680 » All right. 6551 04:18:45,680 --> 04:18:47,510 >> And I think a lot of people are. First 6552 04:18:47,510 --> 04:18:47,520 » And I think a lot of people are. First 6553 04:18:47,520 --> 04:18:49,680 of all, the pro the language in here 6554 04:18:49,680 --> 04:18:52,720 about stamped and certified decision of 6555 04:18:52,720 --> 04:18:55,279 the civil engineer employed by an 6556 04:18:55,279 --> 04:18:57,279 applicant so long as such civil engineer 6557 04:18:57,279 --> 04:18:59,199 as a California licensed civil engineer 6558 04:18:59,199 --> 04:19:00,560 experienced in a particular practice 6559 04:19:00,560 --> 04:19:02,159 that is implicated by the item in 6560 04:19:02,159 --> 04:19:03,680 controversy 6561 04:19:03,680 --> 04:19:07,199 is not an indication of who has to be 6562 04:19:07,199 --> 04:19:10,479 relied upon. It's actually a requirement 6563 04:19:10,479 --> 04:19:12,640 before you even get to the question of 6564 04:19:12,640 --> 04:19:14,479 whether you consider what they're 6565 04:19:14,479 --> 04:19:16,239 proposing. So in other words, if someone 6566 04:19:16,239 --> 04:19:18,080 who doesn't have these qualifications 6567 04:19:18,080 --> 04:19:19,920 presents something, this doesn't apply 6568 04:19:19,920 --> 04:19:24,159 at all. This does not but but this this 6569 04:19:24,159 --> 04:19:26,479 does not say that when someone has those 6570 04:19:26,479 --> 04:19:29,040 qualifications, the city is obliged to 6571 04:19:29,040 --> 04:19:31,439 do as they say, which which I think is 6572 04:19:31,439 --> 04:19:32,800 your what you're assuming and I think 6573 04:19:32,800 --> 04:19:34,640 what Steve was assuming too in the way 6574 04:19:34,640 --> 04:19:36,960 he was describing it. What this says is 6575 04:19:36,960 --> 04:19:38,560 that first of all, if it's not someone 6576 04:19:38,560 --> 04:19:40,720 who meets those qualifications, they're 6577 04:19:40,720 --> 04:19:42,479 irrelevant. They just, you know, they're 6578 04:19:42,479 --> 04:19:44,560 shown the door. If they do meet those 6579 04:19:44,560 --> 04:19:46,960 qualifications and they present a plan 6580 04:19:46,960 --> 04:19:49,359 and the city reviews the plan and the 6581 04:19:49,359 --> 04:19:52,479 city is satisfied that the plan meets 6582 04:19:52,479 --> 04:19:54,880 the legal requirements, then 6583 04:19:54,880 --> 04:19:56,880 notwithstanding the fact that there may 6584 04:19:56,880 --> 04:20:00,000 be some better way to do it that is more 6585 04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:02,000 conservative than the applicable legal 6586 04:20:02,000 --> 04:20:04,399 requirement, the city won't impose that 6587 04:20:04,399 --> 04:20:06,319 additional legal requirement. This is 6588 04:20:06,319 --> 04:20:08,960 another This is an example of how to 6589 04:20:08,960 --> 04:20:12,239 apply the rule that's being set forth 6590 04:20:12,239 --> 04:20:15,680 which says don't impose any rules that 6591 04:20:15,680 --> 04:20:18,800 aren't in the law. So, it's a straw man 6592 04:20:18,800 --> 04:20:20,560 to say that this means we're going to 6593 04:20:20,560 --> 04:20:22,239 have to do it because they say it's 6594 04:20:22,239 --> 04:20:24,159 within a reasonable range. The 6595 04:20:24,159 --> 04:20:26,560 determiner of whether it is or is not 6596 04:20:26,560 --> 04:20:30,000 within the range is the city. So the 6597 04:20:30,000 --> 04:20:32,479 city has already made a decision that it 6598 04:20:32,479 --> 04:20:36,319 is in fact in the range and it's saying 6599 04:20:36,319 --> 04:20:37,840 that's the end of the analysis. 6600 04:20:37,840 --> 04:20:39,110 >> Who in the city makes that decision? 6601 04:20:39,110 --> 04:20:39,120 » Who in the city makes that decision? 6602 04:20:39,120 --> 04:20:40,149 >> Yeah. Who's going to do that? Who 6603 04:20:40,149 --> 04:20:40,159 » Yeah. Who's going to do that? Who 6604 04:20:40,159 --> 04:20:41,910 >> makes you got to have that? 6605 04:20:41,910 --> 04:20:41,920 » makes you got to have that? 6606 04:20:41,920 --> 04:20:44,550 >> The director of the community 6607 04:20:44,550 --> 04:20:44,560 » The director of the community 6608 04:20:44,560 --> 04:20:46,880 development department. It says it 6609 04:20:46,880 --> 04:20:48,800 explicitly. Now, that person, whoever it 6610 04:20:48,800 --> 04:20:51,040 is at the time, right now it's Yolanda, 6611 04:20:51,040 --> 04:20:54,000 can certainly in the first instance have 6612 04:20:54,000 --> 04:20:55,920 other members of the staff make the 6613 04:20:55,920 --> 04:20:58,000 recommendation or even the decision if 6614 04:20:58,000 --> 04:20:59,600 she wants to defer it to them. She's not 6615 04:20:59,600 --> 04:21:02,720 cuz she's the building the um official 6616 04:21:02,720 --> 04:21:04,550 >> the building official. So, she is making 6617 04:21:04,550 --> 04:21:04,560 » the building official. So, she is making 6618 04:21:04,560 --> 04:21:07,279 these decisions as it is right now. All 6619 04:21:07,279 --> 04:21:10,080 this is is saying again in two different 6620 04:21:10,080 --> 04:21:12,560 sentences in a paragraph, we're only 6621 04:21:12,560 --> 04:21:15,040 going to require what the law requires. 6622 04:21:15,040 --> 04:21:16,800 We're not. And again, and I'm confident 6623 04:21:16,800 --> 04:21:18,880 Yolanda is doing exactly that. No. 6624 04:21:18,880 --> 04:21:20,389 >> And this is Yolanda's doing exactly 6625 04:21:20,389 --> 04:21:20,399 » And this is Yolanda's doing exactly 6626 04:21:20,399 --> 04:21:22,239 that. She's not requiring anything that 6627 04:21:22,239 --> 04:21:23,760 the law doesn't require because it's not 6628 04:21:23,760 --> 04:21:25,920 her job to invent new rules. It's her 6629 04:21:25,920 --> 04:21:27,760 job to apply the law. And she's applying 6630 04:21:27,760 --> 04:21:30,640 the law as she understands it. Again, 6631 04:21:30,640 --> 04:21:33,120 this is a future-looking document. This 6632 04:21:33,120 --> 04:21:35,359 is to make sure that the next city 6633 04:21:35,359 --> 04:21:37,199 council with the next disaster doesn't 6634 04:21:37,199 --> 04:21:39,120 have to take 9 months to get to this 6635 04:21:39,120 --> 04:21:40,960 point and that the next community 6636 04:21:40,960 --> 04:21:43,680 development director when this happens 6637 04:21:43,680 --> 04:21:45,840 10 years from now doesn't have to spend 6638 04:21:45,840 --> 04:21:47,680 9 months to get to this point and maybe 6639 04:21:47,680 --> 04:21:49,680 that person won't have the same approach 6640 04:21:49,680 --> 04:21:51,520 Yolanda has and will want to maybe that 6641 04:21:51,520 --> 04:21:53,840 Lauren Doyle would be the community 6642 04:21:53,840 --> 04:21:56,239 director or a person I don't mean Lauren 6643 04:21:56,239 --> 04:21:59,040 a person like that and this is saying 6644 04:21:59,040 --> 04:22:01,760 don't do what you were doing do what the 6645 04:22:01,760 --> 04:22:04,080 law requires. So it's it's just I I 6646 04:22:04,080 --> 04:22:06,080 don't understand how you're getting this 6647 04:22:06,080 --> 04:22:08,960 point that um we have to follow 6648 04:22:08,960 --> 04:22:10,800 somebody. We don't [snorts] this makes 6649 04:22:10,800 --> 04:22:14,080 very clear over and over again the law 6650 04:22:14,080 --> 04:22:16,479 governs and the decision of the 6651 04:22:16,479 --> 04:22:18,399 community development direct depart 6652 04:22:18,399 --> 04:22:20,640 development department director is going 6653 04:22:20,640 --> 04:22:22,880 to decide what the law is. 6654 04:22:22,880 --> 04:22:23,110 >> Okay. 6655 04:22:23,110 --> 04:22:23,120 » Okay. 6656 04:22:23,120 --> 04:22:23,750 >> All right. 6657 04:22:23,750 --> 04:22:23,760 » All right. 6658 04:22:23,760 --> 04:22:25,590 >> And can I just jump in because I think 6659 04:22:25,590 --> 04:22:25,600 » And can I just jump in because I think 6660 04:22:25,600 --> 04:22:26,720 we're going to end up going around 6661 04:22:26,720 --> 04:22:27,199 circles here. 6662 04:22:27,199 --> 04:22:28,950 >> And by the way, one last thing. If if 6663 04:22:28,950 --> 04:22:28,960 » And by the way, one last thing. If if 6664 04:22:28,960 --> 04:22:31,279 the pro I wouldn't I wouldn't support 6665 04:22:31,279 --> 04:22:33,120 this, but if your problem is with that 6666 04:22:33,120 --> 04:22:35,040 sentence, you don't throw the ba the 6667 04:22:35,040 --> 04:22:37,760 baby out with the bath water. 6668 04:22:37,760 --> 04:22:39,269 >> If you have a problem with a particular 6669 04:22:39,269 --> 04:22:39,279 » If you have a problem with a particular 6670 04:22:39,279 --> 04:22:41,279 sentence, we talk about taking the 6671 04:22:41,279 --> 04:22:42,800 sentence out or changing the sentence, 6672 04:22:42,800 --> 04:22:44,080 but there's still a whole bunch of other 6673 04:22:44,080 --> 04:22:45,439 stuff in here that I'm not hearing 6674 04:22:45,439 --> 04:22:46,159 criticism of. 6675 04:22:46,159 --> 04:22:46,389 >> Yeah. 6676 04:22:46,389 --> 04:22:46,399 » Yeah. 6677 04:22:46,399 --> 04:22:47,830 >> Oh, well, we haven't gotten to that yet, 6678 04:22:47,830 --> 04:22:47,840 » Oh, well, we haven't gotten to that yet, 6679 04:22:47,840 --> 04:22:50,479 so just hang on. 6680 04:22:50,479 --> 04:22:52,560 Well, let me just one say one thing here 6681 04:22:52,560 --> 04:22:55,600 because I think I think when you have 6682 04:22:55,600 --> 04:22:58,560 Steve, myself, and Doug all reading this 6683 04:22:58,560 --> 04:23:01,680 and we're all reading it a certain way 6684 04:23:01,680 --> 04:23:04,159 that maybe it's not written in a way 6685 04:23:04,159 --> 04:23:06,560 that you intend that it's not coming 6686 04:23:06,560 --> 04:23:08,479 across 6687 04:23:08,479 --> 04:23:11,120 how you're intending it to be. What I 6688 04:23:11,120 --> 04:23:13,920 think that we if we were to look at 6689 04:23:13,920 --> 04:23:15,520 this, one of the things that we need to 6690 04:23:15,520 --> 04:23:19,840 be doing is that just further 6691 04:23:19,840 --> 04:23:22,000 stipulating that minimum code 6692 04:23:22,000 --> 04:23:23,520 requirements when it comes to the 6693 04:23:23,520 --> 04:23:28,319 building code is what is accepted across 6694 04:23:28,319 --> 04:23:33,040 the board. If somebody wants to propose 6695 04:23:33,040 --> 04:23:35,279 higher construction standards than a 6696 04:23:35,279 --> 04:23:37,040 minimum code, they're welcome to do 6697 04:23:37,040 --> 04:23:39,600 that. But the building code is very 6698 04:23:39,600 --> 04:23:42,319 clear as it is the minimum code 6699 04:23:42,319 --> 04:23:46,319 standards and the design professionals 6700 04:23:46,319 --> 04:23:48,880 that are out there 6701 04:23:48,880 --> 04:23:53,840 also are in this choosing to recommend 6702 04:23:53,840 --> 04:23:56,640 higher code standards but the minimum 6703 04:23:56,640 --> 04:23:59,680 code is all they need to be. So I I 6704 04:23:59,680 --> 04:24:02,720 think that you know we're reading this I 6705 04:24:02,720 --> 04:24:05,279 think in a similar manner. So I don't 6706 04:24:05,279 --> 04:24:07,359 think it's intending to say what you 6707 04:24:07,359 --> 04:24:10,640 think it is. So at the very minimum, we 6708 04:24:10,640 --> 04:24:13,600 need to go through number one and really 6709 04:24:13,600 --> 04:24:17,359 clarify what the intention is and how it 6710 04:24:17,359 --> 04:24:21,040 can be improved to actually say minimum 6711 04:24:21,040 --> 04:24:22,560 code standards is what 6712 04:24:22,560 --> 04:24:23,750 >> can be applied. 6713 04:24:23,750 --> 04:24:23,760 » can be applied. 6714 04:24:23,760 --> 04:24:25,189 >> I just want to bring up one thing. When 6715 04:24:25,189 --> 04:24:25,199 » I just want to bring up one thing. When 6716 04:24:25,199 --> 04:24:27,199 you talk about having the building 6717 04:24:27,199 --> 04:24:30,080 official make a decision, what you 6718 04:24:30,080 --> 04:24:31,920 really are back to the same system we 6719 04:24:31,920 --> 04:24:35,040 have today where the applicant submits 6720 04:24:35,040 --> 04:24:36,960 their proposed engineering for 6721 04:24:36,960 --> 04:24:39,680 structural or geology or whatever and 6722 04:24:39,680 --> 04:24:42,880 then the city has employed people to 6723 04:24:42,880 --> 04:24:46,720 review it. And if the city's reviewers 6724 04:24:46,720 --> 04:24:48,720 say that you need to do this and this 6725 04:24:48,720 --> 04:24:51,279 because of their local knowledge of the 6726 04:24:51,279 --> 04:24:54,800 hillsides or the structural issues, 6727 04:24:54,800 --> 04:24:56,880 who wins in that argument? And the 6728 04:24:56,880 --> 04:24:58,720 answer should be since we're issuing the 6729 04:24:58,720 --> 04:25:00,479 building permit and we're the ones 6730 04:25:00,479 --> 04:25:02,560 taking the liability for the decision, 6731 04:25:02,560 --> 04:25:04,720 it should be our city staff that makes 6732 04:25:04,720 --> 04:25:05,279 the call. 6733 04:25:05,279 --> 04:25:07,750 >> It's exactly deferred to somebody that 6734 04:25:07,750 --> 04:25:07,760 » It's exactly deferred to somebody that 6735 04:25:07,760 --> 04:25:09,840 that has nothing to lose. 6736 04:25:09,840 --> 04:25:11,110 >> Once again, it's exactly what it says. 6737 04:25:11,110 --> 04:25:11,120 » Once again, it's exactly what it says. 6738 04:25:11,120 --> 04:25:13,359 And secondly, I I take issue repeatedly 6739 04:25:13,359 --> 04:25:15,199 when residents say this or or I should 6740 04:25:15,199 --> 04:25:16,560 say when the people that appear before 6741 04:25:16,560 --> 04:25:18,800 us in in land use matters appear say 6742 04:25:18,800 --> 04:25:20,319 this and I take issue when you say it 6743 04:25:20,319 --> 04:25:21,199 and I don't think you do it 6744 04:25:21,199 --> 04:25:23,359 intentionally. We don't have liability 6745 04:25:23,359 --> 04:25:24,880 just because somebody does something 6746 04:25:24,880 --> 04:25:26,960 that ends up years later being a 6747 04:25:26,960 --> 04:25:29,760 problem. Um the standards for liability 6748 04:25:29,760 --> 04:25:31,760 for when a city or any other when a 6749 04:25:31,760 --> 04:25:34,399 municipality approves a permit are 6750 04:25:34,399 --> 04:25:37,279 extremely narrow and they're not at all 6751 04:25:37,279 --> 04:25:39,040 just because it was wrong or shouldn't 6752 04:25:39,040 --> 04:25:40,159 have been approved that you have 6753 04:25:40,159 --> 04:25:42,479 liability. It's a it's it's a uh red 6754 04:25:42,479 --> 04:25:44,080 herring and it really shouldn't come 6755 04:25:44,080 --> 04:25:45,680 into the conversation. We should be 6756 04:25:45,680 --> 04:25:47,520 deciding what makes sense, not being 6757 04:25:47,520 --> 04:25:50,960 concerned about fake liability 6758 04:25:50,960 --> 04:25:52,800 suing us after the girls got killed on 6759 04:25:52,800 --> 04:25:53,600 PCH. 6760 04:25:53,600 --> 04:25:54,710 >> They're not getting a judgment, are 6761 04:25:54,710 --> 04:25:54,720 » They're not getting a judgment, are 6762 04:25:54,720 --> 04:25:55,439 they? 6763 04:25:55,439 --> 04:25:57,189 >> They're suing. Well, hold on a second. 6764 04:25:57,189 --> 04:25:57,199 » They're suing. Well, hold on a second. 6765 04:25:57,199 --> 04:25:58,319 Here's the other thing. If you go to 6766 04:25:58,319 --> 04:26:00,319 Agura Hills over by the wildlife 6767 04:26:00,319 --> 04:26:02,880 crossing, that whole hillside fell away 6768 04:26:02,880 --> 04:26:05,279 with houses and the city of Agura Hills 6769 04:26:05,279 --> 04:26:09,600 got uh responsibility for uh the 6770 04:26:09,600 --> 04:26:11,359 planning process that they didn't do 6771 04:26:11,359 --> 04:26:13,600 properly. So, you can say all you want 6772 04:26:13,600 --> 04:26:14,960 to about it being red herring, but 6773 04:26:14,960 --> 04:26:16,239 that's not the way it works in real 6774 04:26:16,239 --> 04:26:16,720 life. 6775 04:26:16,720 --> 04:26:21,269 >> I've heard now um so much conflicting 6776 04:26:21,269 --> 04:26:21,279 » I've heard now um so much conflicting 6777 04:26:21,279 --> 04:26:24,000 information. I've heard that we're not 6778 04:26:24,000 --> 04:26:27,279 liable as the city that they we are 6779 04:26:27,279 --> 04:26:30,560 liable if something goes wrong. What is 6780 04:26:30,560 --> 04:26:35,120 the fact of the matter? Are we if you 6781 04:26:35,120 --> 04:26:39,279 have a certified 6782 04:26:39,279 --> 04:26:41,120 is the building department liable 6783 04:26:41,120 --> 04:26:44,239 because I have waiverss of indemnity. I 6784 04:26:44,239 --> 04:26:47,120 have heard so many different things now. 6785 04:26:47,120 --> 04:26:49,279 Well, every permit requires the 6786 04:26:49,279 --> 04:26:51,199 applicants to indemnify and defend the 6787 04:26:51,199 --> 04:26:53,279 the city. That's a requirement. The city 6788 04:26:53,279 --> 04:26:56,159 also has a number of immunities that are 6789 04:26:56,159 --> 04:26:59,120 um you know require that that uh protect 6790 04:26:59,120 --> 04:27:01,279 the city and negligence related to the 6791 04:27:01,279 --> 04:27:03,439 issuance of permits. So, there's a lot 6792 04:27:03,439 --> 04:27:05,520 of protections for cities um that are 6793 04:27:05,520 --> 04:27:07,520 built in there, but it's not impossible 6794 04:27:07,520 --> 04:27:11,760 for a city to to get sued or to lose. Um 6795 04:27:11,760 --> 04:27:14,960 but it's it's a difficult uh it's 6796 04:27:14,960 --> 04:27:18,000 difficult for a city to um face 6797 04:27:18,000 --> 04:27:20,479 liability over the approval of a permit. 6798 04:27:20,479 --> 04:27:22,469 >> And are there waiverss in which people 6799 04:27:22,469 --> 04:27:22,479 » And are there waiverss in which people 6800 04:27:22,479 --> 04:27:25,040 sign 6801 04:27:25,040 --> 04:27:26,229 >> when they're building? 6802 04:27:26,229 --> 04:27:26,239 » when they're building? 6803 04:27:26,239 --> 04:27:29,429 >> It's uh they sign an indemnity um 6804 04:27:29,429 --> 04:27:29,439 » It's uh they sign an indemnity um 6805 04:27:29,439 --> 04:27:32,479 provision is as a requirement to 6806 04:27:32,479 --> 04:27:35,199 identify and defend the city. um other 6807 04:27:35,199 --> 04:27:36,720 other types of dependencing on the 6808 04:27:36,720 --> 04:27:37,840 permit there are other things 6809 04:27:37,840 --> 04:27:39,520 assumptions of risk 6810 04:27:39,520 --> 04:27:41,110 >> um or other types of documents that are 6811 04:27:41,110 --> 04:27:41,120 » um or other types of documents that are 6812 04:27:41,120 --> 04:27:42,399 required to be signed as well 6813 04:27:42,399 --> 04:27:43,910 >> but you know I mean Doug made the point 6814 04:27:43,910 --> 04:27:43,920 » but you know I mean Doug made the point 6815 04:27:43,920 --> 04:27:45,520 and I agree with him I've said it before 6816 04:27:45,520 --> 04:27:48,960 the mere fact that the um applicant 6817 04:27:48,960 --> 04:27:52,000 indemnifies the city doesn't first if if 6818 04:27:52,000 --> 04:27:55,120 a third party gets harmed that is not 6819 04:27:55,120 --> 04:27:57,439 very meaningful because easily the 6820 04:27:57,439 --> 04:27:59,760 liability if there were one could exceed 6821 04:27:59,760 --> 04:28:02,640 the wherewithal of the um applicant to 6822 04:28:02,640 --> 04:28:04,159 satisfy a judgment 6823 04:28:04,159 --> 04:28:05,680 And then somebody would be looking to 6824 04:28:05,680 --> 04:28:08,399 the city as well. And I don't ever make 6825 04:28:08,399 --> 04:28:10,960 decisions on whether there will or won't 6826 04:28:10,960 --> 04:28:12,800 be potential liability. I mean, you 6827 04:28:12,800 --> 04:28:13,920 know, I've been a lawyer for [snorts] 40 6828 04:28:13,920 --> 04:28:15,520 years and when I represent my clients, 6829 04:28:15,520 --> 04:28:17,120 that's what I tell them. Don't don't ask 6830 04:28:17,120 --> 04:28:19,359 me the question, what will my potential 6831 04:28:19,359 --> 04:28:21,680 liability be if I don't do the right 6832 04:28:21,680 --> 04:28:23,920 thing? The question is, what's the right 6833 04:28:23,920 --> 04:28:26,239 thing to do? Because if you do the right 6834 04:28:26,239 --> 04:28:28,080 thing in the first instance, you're not 6835 04:28:28,080 --> 04:28:29,279 going to have a liability to be 6836 04:28:29,279 --> 04:28:32,399 concerned about. Do could you get sued? 6837 04:28:32,399 --> 04:28:34,720 Sure. The great thing about this country 6838 04:28:34,720 --> 04:28:37,359 is it takes $75 for a filing fee or 6839 04:28:37,359 --> 04:28:38,800 whatever it is and anyone can sue 6840 04:28:38,800 --> 04:28:41,359 anybody for anything, but the judicial 6841 04:28:41,359 --> 04:28:44,000 system works it out. And as Trevor said, 6842 04:28:44,000 --> 04:28:45,840 it's not impossible to be liable for 6843 04:28:45,840 --> 04:28:47,279 something when you're a municipality 6844 04:28:47,279 --> 04:28:49,199 approving a building permit. But it's 6845 04:28:49,199 --> 04:28:50,880 extremely rare and it would require 6846 04:28:50,880 --> 04:28:52,800 something a lot more than simply having 6847 04:28:52,800 --> 04:28:54,640 made the wrong decision. And we 6848 04:28:54,640 --> 04:28:56,720 shouldn't be t we shouldn't be getting 6849 04:28:56,720 --> 04:28:58,960 all tied up worrying about liability 6850 04:28:58,960 --> 04:29:00,479 when we should be trying to decide 6851 04:29:00,479 --> 04:29:02,159 what's the right thing to do. Let me 6852 04:29:02,159 --> 04:29:04,399 just give you think of the discussion 6853 04:29:04,399 --> 04:29:06,560 we've had here 6854 04:29:06,560 --> 04:29:10,479 however long now. Okay. 6855 04:29:10,479 --> 04:29:12,080 How do you think this is going to be 6856 04:29:12,080 --> 04:29:14,239 absorbed by the staff when they start 6857 04:29:14,239 --> 04:29:15,760 going through this thing? I mean, you 6858 04:29:15,760 --> 04:29:18,080 think it's going to be a complex thing 6859 04:29:18,080 --> 04:29:19,520 for everybody to understand and make 6860 04:29:19,520 --> 04:29:20,960 sure they know what the hell we're doing 6861 04:29:20,960 --> 04:29:22,720 and we do it right. And let me give you, 6862 04:29:22,720 --> 04:29:25,199 you know, this process that said we can 6863 04:29:25,199 --> 04:29:27,600 trust the 6864 04:29:27,600 --> 04:29:30,720 professionals. go back to the uh motel 6865 04:29:30,720 --> 04:29:32,000 that was being built across from the 6866 04:29:32,000 --> 04:29:34,880 pier. All right. Doug Burg has been 6867 04:29:34,880 --> 04:29:36,479 constructing stuff in the city for a 6868 04:29:36,479 --> 04:29:39,199 long long time. And he he proposed a 6869 04:29:39,199 --> 04:29:41,680 garage that a subterranean garage that 6870 04:29:41,680 --> 04:29:43,600 really wasn't subterranean. All it was 6871 04:29:43,600 --> 04:29:45,120 was built on the same level. They put 6872 04:29:45,120 --> 04:29:46,640 some dirt around the side and called the 6873 04:29:46,640 --> 04:29:49,279 subterranean. And the staff approved it. 6874 04:29:49,279 --> 04:29:52,159 Staff approved it. Right. So, I'm just 6875 04:29:52,159 --> 04:29:54,479 saying, you know, look, 6876 04:29:54,479 --> 04:29:56,880 to some point we have to we're paying 6877 04:29:56,880 --> 04:29:58,960 Yolanda and her staff a lot of money. 6878 04:29:58,960 --> 04:30:00,640 I'm not a lot of money and probably not 6879 04:30:00,640 --> 04:30:02,800 enough Yolanda. I apologize for that. 6880 04:30:02,800 --> 04:30:06,560 But, but I mean, that's their job. 6881 04:30:06,560 --> 04:30:08,399 That's why they hire these. Look, I 6882 04:30:08,399 --> 04:30:09,600 don't I don't know how many of these 6883 04:30:09,600 --> 04:30:11,120 permits you've taken a look at or 6884 04:30:11,120 --> 04:30:12,960 Kayla's taken a look at that have come 6885 04:30:12,960 --> 04:30:14,640 into your chron. You don't you've never 6886 04:30:14,640 --> 04:30:16,640 seen one of these things. 6887 04:30:16,640 --> 04:30:18,550 >> These people have and we're paying them 6888 04:30:18,550 --> 04:30:18,560 » These people have and we're paying them 6889 04:30:18,560 --> 04:30:21,120 to do that and they're good at it. And I 6890 04:30:21,120 --> 04:30:22,960 don't want to take it away from them. 6891 04:30:22,960 --> 04:30:24,399 That's exactly what you're doing. You're 6892 04:30:24,399 --> 04:30:26,319 taking it away from their ability to do 6893 04:30:26,319 --> 04:30:27,520 and that's wrong. 6894 04:30:27,520 --> 04:30:29,830 >> It does not take away anything from 6895 04:30:29,830 --> 04:30:29,840 » It does not take away anything from 6896 04:30:29,840 --> 04:30:31,439 anybody. And it doesn't say trust 6897 04:30:31,439 --> 04:30:34,399 anybody whatsoever. It actually says 6898 04:30:34,399 --> 04:30:37,040 before you even get to have the benefit 6899 04:30:37,040 --> 04:30:38,960 of a doubt. You have to be all these 6900 04:30:38,960 --> 04:30:40,720 things, a licensed professional in the 6901 04:30:40,720 --> 04:30:43,520 proper standard in the proper um field. 6902 04:30:43,520 --> 04:30:46,800 But what this ultimately says is that it 6903 04:30:46,800 --> 04:30:49,359 is the city that makes a decision as to 6904 04:30:49,359 --> 04:30:53,120 whether the proposal is within a range 6905 04:30:53,120 --> 04:30:55,120 that the law permits. 6906 04:30:55,120 --> 04:30:56,950 >> That's what the city's doing today. 6907 04:30:56,950 --> 04:30:56,960 » That's what the city's doing today. 6908 04:30:56,960 --> 04:30:58,870 >> Fine. So then what's your problem? 6909 04:30:58,870 --> 04:30:58,880 » Fine. So then what's your problem? 6910 04:30:58,880 --> 04:31:00,469 >> That's exactly right. We're not really 6911 04:31:00,469 --> 04:31:00,479 » That's exactly right. We're not really 6912 04:31:00,479 --> 04:31:02,080 changing. We're memorializing it. It 6913 04:31:02,080 --> 04:31:04,000 says community director. We're trusting 6914 04:31:04,000 --> 04:31:07,199 her. We're This is what we're doing. We 6915 04:31:07,199 --> 04:31:10,479 are just putting it pen to paper, voting 6916 04:31:10,479 --> 04:31:11,920 on it. If there are things that you 6917 04:31:11,920 --> 04:31:14,159 don't like, we can change some of those 6918 04:31:14,159 --> 04:31:14,479 things. 6919 04:31:14,479 --> 04:31:15,670 >> Yeah, we still haven't heard Maryann's 6920 04:31:15,670 --> 04:31:15,680 » Yeah, we still haven't heard Maryann's 6921 04:31:15,680 --> 04:31:17,199 objections, and I'm not sure I don't 6922 04:31:17,199 --> 04:31:18,239 think Doug's finished either, but I 6923 04:31:18,239 --> 04:31:20,159 mean, Steve, I I really I hear you 6924 04:31:20,159 --> 04:31:22,080 coming at this from a standpoint of 6925 04:31:22,080 --> 04:31:23,680 being defensive, that this is a 6926 04:31:23,680 --> 04:31:25,520 criticism, that we haven't done things 6927 04:31:25,520 --> 04:31:26,960 right, that the residents, no matter 6928 04:31:26,960 --> 04:31:28,479 what, aren't going to be satisfied. That 6929 04:31:28,479 --> 04:31:30,080 is not at all the purpose of this. And 6930 04:31:30,080 --> 04:31:31,680 in fact, I didn't hear from the comments 6931 04:31:31,680 --> 04:31:33,760 at all that this is something that 6932 04:31:33,760 --> 04:31:35,359 they're going to be dissatisfied with no 6933 04:31:35,359 --> 04:31:37,120 matter what we do. And 6934 04:31:37,120 --> 04:31:39,110 >> say that they wanted more. 6935 04:31:39,110 --> 04:31:39,120 » say that they wanted more. 6936 04:31:39,120 --> 04:31:40,159 They may want more, 6937 04:31:40,159 --> 04:31:40,630 >> right? 6938 04:31:40,630 --> 04:31:40,640 » right? 6939 04:31:40,640 --> 04:31:43,030 >> But that's fine. That's the They're 6940 04:31:43,030 --> 04:31:43,040 » But that's fine. That's the They're 6941 04:31:43,040 --> 04:31:44,080 allowed to ask for everything and 6942 04:31:44,080 --> 04:31:45,600 anything they want. They could ask for 6943 04:31:45,600 --> 04:31:47,120 us to build their houses for them and to 6944 04:31:47,120 --> 04:31:48,080 put them up tomorrow. 6945 04:31:48,080 --> 04:31:49,750 >> This mentality of that they're not 6946 04:31:49,750 --> 04:31:49,760 » This mentality of that they're not 6947 04:31:49,760 --> 04:31:52,720 entitled to ask for things is strange to 6948 04:31:52,720 --> 04:31:53,600 me. 6949 04:31:53,600 --> 04:31:55,429 >> This has been pervasive that I've been 6950 04:31:55,429 --> 04:31:55,439 » This has been pervasive that I've been 6951 04:31:55,439 --> 04:31:57,680 noticing for a very long time since I've 6952 04:31:57,680 --> 04:31:59,520 been here. And I don't really appreciate 6953 04:31:59,520 --> 04:32:01,199 it because I'm a resident. And if my 6954 04:32:01,199 --> 04:32:03,199 horse my house burned down, I would be 6955 04:32:03,199 --> 04:32:05,840 here hoping to get what I needed from my 6956 04:32:05,840 --> 04:32:08,080 council. They are entitled to these 6957 04:32:08,080 --> 04:32:10,560 things and we're entitled 6958 04:32:10,560 --> 04:32:12,319 to have a great working relationship 6959 04:32:12,319 --> 04:32:14,720 here. Everybody is entitled. We can do 6960 04:32:14,720 --> 04:32:16,800 everything at once. We don't have to 6961 04:32:16,800 --> 04:32:19,279 exclude one party and we're defending 6962 04:32:19,279 --> 04:32:21,600 another. This us against them thing is 6963 04:32:21,600 --> 04:32:24,080 so bizarre to me. We're trying to do 6964 04:32:24,080 --> 04:32:26,720 what council people do. We're trying to 6965 04:32:26,720 --> 04:32:29,199 support staff. We're not criticizing 6966 04:32:29,199 --> 04:32:31,040 staff. We think we've done a fabulous 6967 04:32:31,040 --> 04:32:32,880 job. We're also trying to listen to 6968 04:32:32,880 --> 04:32:35,680 residents and also we know we are in a 6969 04:32:35,680 --> 04:32:39,120 disasterprone city. So instead of not 6970 04:32:39,120 --> 04:32:41,040 preparing for the next one, we have 6971 04:32:41,040 --> 04:32:44,640 tools that we can just trust. But 6972 04:32:44,640 --> 04:32:46,000 there's so much mistrust, 6973 04:32:46,000 --> 04:32:48,229 >> you know, and also after the fire, the 6974 04:32:48,229 --> 04:32:48,239 » you know, and also after the fire, the 6975 04:32:48,239 --> 04:32:51,600 staff after taking some time came to us 6976 04:32:51,600 --> 04:32:54,239 with a bunch of municipal code amendment 6977 04:32:54,239 --> 04:32:56,880 proposals and we didn't necessarily a 6978 04:32:56,880 --> 04:32:58,239 lot of us we didn't understand exactly 6979 04:32:58,239 --> 04:33:00,000 what they meant. The residents didn't 6980 04:33:00,000 --> 04:33:01,520 understand what they meant. We had to 6981 04:33:01,520 --> 04:33:03,439 have meetings to talk about what they 6982 04:33:03,439 --> 04:33:05,920 meant. We tweaked some of the words. We 6983 04:33:05,920 --> 04:33:07,680 listened to the explanations. We didn't 6984 04:33:07,680 --> 04:33:09,760 just have a knee-jerk reaction of, you 6985 04:33:09,760 --> 04:33:11,199 know, no, we don't like the fact that 6986 04:33:11,199 --> 04:33:12,639 this is being proposed. We don't want to 6987 04:33:12,639 --> 04:33:15,439 make changes. We listened. We rec we 6988 04:33:15,439 --> 04:33:16,799 knew that they were coming from the 6989 04:33:16,799 --> 04:33:18,240 right place, that they were intended to 6990 04:33:18,240 --> 04:33:20,400 benefit the residents. We wanted to make 6991 04:33:20,400 --> 04:33:22,080 sure we didn't go too far and do the 6992 04:33:22,080 --> 04:33:23,680 wrong thing. All the right things that 6993 04:33:23,680 --> 04:33:25,600 we should be doing now with this, too. 6994 04:33:25,600 --> 04:33:27,199 But the mere fact this isn't coming from 6995 04:33:27,199 --> 04:33:28,719 the staff and the mere fact that there 6996 04:33:28,719 --> 04:33:30,561 may be questions about what it means 6997 04:33:30,561 --> 04:33:32,240 means we should be having a discussion 6998 04:33:32,240 --> 04:33:34,320 about what does this mean? Should we 6999 04:33:34,320 --> 04:33:36,240 change this word or shouldn't we change 7000 04:33:36,240 --> 04:33:38,400 this word? Do we like this concept or 7001 04:33:38,400 --> 04:33:40,240 don't we like this concept? And that's 7002 04:33:40,240 --> 04:33:41,840 what we're we're trying to do. But we 7003 04:33:41,840 --> 04:33:44,000 shouldn't just be like there's problems 7004 04:33:44,000 --> 04:33:45,760 so let's throw this out. We don't do 7005 04:33:45,760 --> 04:33:47,920 this which is the which is what I sense 7006 04:33:47,920 --> 04:33:50,080 is the the attitude. We're not saying to 7007 04:33:50,080 --> 04:33:51,359 throw the whole thing out, but the 7008 04:33:51,359 --> 04:33:53,920 problem that you've presented here is, 7009 04:33:53,920 --> 04:33:56,480 and I'm using number section one, the 7010 04:33:56,480 --> 04:33:59,760 idea that the applicants professional 7011 04:33:59,760 --> 04:34:02,719 wins in the conversation. I know if I 7012 04:34:02,719 --> 04:34:05,920 was turning in a plan for rebuilding and 7013 04:34:05,920 --> 04:34:08,879 I had an architect that presented 7014 04:34:08,879 --> 04:34:11,279 something, I want the city staff to be 7015 04:34:11,279 --> 04:34:13,359 the quality control to make sure that's 7016 04:34:13,359 --> 04:34:15,760 correct and not just say, "Oh, you 7017 04:34:15,760 --> 04:34:17,680 submitted it by and you got a license 7018 04:34:17,680 --> 04:34:19,039 stamp. Go for it. 7019 04:34:19,039 --> 04:34:20,390 >> It's not what it says. 7020 04:34:20,390 --> 04:34:20,400 » It's not what it says. 7021 04:34:20,400 --> 04:34:21,349 >> That's what it says. 7022 04:34:21,349 --> 04:34:21,359 » That's what it says. 7023 04:34:21,359 --> 04:34:22,949 >> It's not. Everyone out there knows it's 7024 04:34:22,949 --> 04:34:22,959 » It's not. Everyone out there knows it's 7025 04:34:22,959 --> 04:34:24,719 not what it says. Every single one of 7026 04:34:24,719 --> 04:34:26,320 these residents knows that's not what it 7027 04:34:26,320 --> 04:34:28,480 says. Our lawyer knows that's not what 7028 04:34:28,480 --> 04:34:31,039 it says. Ask them. 7029 04:34:31,039 --> 04:34:34,629 >> I I I I'm sorry. 7030 04:34:34,629 --> 04:34:34,639 » I I I I'm sorry. 7031 04:34:34,639 --> 04:34:37,189 >> I know that you are the policy makers, 7032 04:34:37,189 --> 04:34:37,199 » I know that you are the policy makers, 7033 04:34:37,199 --> 04:34:39,840 but that I'm the impletor. 7034 04:34:39,840 --> 04:34:42,719 And it really states 7035 04:34:42,719 --> 04:34:45,199 what I'm getting out of it that it is to 7036 04:34:45,199 --> 04:34:46,959 the civil engineers submitting the plans 7037 04:34:46,959 --> 04:34:48,879 that they're going to be the one. The 7038 04:34:48,879 --> 04:34:50,719 way it's written, it is not clear for 7039 04:34:50,719 --> 04:34:52,561 interpretation and I'm just letting you 7040 04:34:52,561 --> 04:34:54,480 know as my recommendations are your 7041 04:34:54,480 --> 04:34:56,160 building official. The other thing that 7042 04:34:56,160 --> 04:34:57,920 I want to make clear on assumption of 7043 04:34:57,920 --> 04:35:00,240 risk and release when an assumption of 7044 04:35:00,240 --> 04:35:02,160 risk and release for technical is 7045 04:35:02,160 --> 04:35:03,920 submitted 7046 04:35:03,920 --> 04:35:06,879 is is is filled out, we still do a 7047 04:35:06,879 --> 04:35:09,520 review. We we for the minimum code 7048 04:35:09,520 --> 04:35:11,760 compliance. We ask for structural 7049 04:35:11,760 --> 04:35:14,480 calculations. We ask for title 24. We 7050 04:35:14,480 --> 04:35:17,439 ask for your technical engineers uh 7051 04:35:17,439 --> 04:35:20,400 report. So what the assumption of risk 7052 04:35:20,400 --> 04:35:22,879 and release is letting the property 7053 04:35:22,879 --> 04:35:26,320 owner know that hey there is a risk on 7054 04:35:26,320 --> 04:35:28,561 your property. 7055 04:35:28,561 --> 04:35:31,199 We will we as a city we would not we 7056 04:35:31,199 --> 04:35:33,760 would not be able to issue a permit if 7057 04:35:33,760 --> 04:35:36,400 we don't feel that it's safe. 7058 04:35:36,400 --> 04:35:39,039 So when we put our safe uh stamp or 7059 04:35:39,039 --> 04:35:41,760 compliance when we do a review is safe 7060 04:35:41,760 --> 04:35:44,561 for the intended use 7061 04:35:44,561 --> 04:35:48,000 the uh assumption of risk is agrees that 7062 04:35:48,000 --> 04:35:50,719 the proposed structure is still deemed 7063 04:35:50,719 --> 04:35:54,080 safe but is acknowledged to be in a 7064 04:35:54,080 --> 04:35:59,119 geohazard area. That's all it is. 7065 04:35:59,119 --> 04:36:01,600 the interpreta the number two when you 7066 04:36:01,600 --> 04:36:04,879 say that um 7067 04:36:04,879 --> 04:36:07,039 liberalize the process of securing 7068 04:36:07,039 --> 04:36:09,760 building code approval. I am not sure 7069 04:36:09,760 --> 04:36:12,959 what your uh statement indicates uh 7070 04:36:12,959 --> 04:36:15,520 because as a building official and as a 7071 04:36:15,520 --> 04:36:17,600 the representative for your building and 7072 04:36:17,600 --> 04:36:20,959 safety we adhere to the mandatory 7073 04:36:20,959 --> 04:36:24,400 minimum building code compliance. 7074 04:36:24,400 --> 04:36:26,480 So it's not for us to make it more 7075 04:36:26,480 --> 04:36:29,119 liberal, more flexible or more 7076 04:36:29,119 --> 04:36:33,359 stringent. We need to be neutral. 7077 04:36:33,359 --> 04:36:36,400 Uh the other statement that is said on 7078 04:36:36,400 --> 04:36:38,480 paragraph 2, eliminate the need for 7079 04:36:38,480 --> 04:36:40,799 geotechnical analysis for a life forlife 7080 04:36:40,799 --> 04:36:45,119 disaster rebuild to be reconstruct on 7081 04:36:45,119 --> 04:36:50,949 flat paths. 7082 04:36:50,959 --> 04:36:53,520 And this goes back to minimum code 7083 04:36:53,520 --> 04:36:56,799 compliance. If it's already required as 7084 04:36:56,799 --> 04:36:59,039 a building official, 7085 04:36:59,039 --> 04:37:02,400 there is no way to implement this if 7086 04:37:02,400 --> 04:37:04,400 this is happening on an active 7087 04:37:04,400 --> 04:37:06,639 landslide. 7088 04:37:06,639 --> 04:37:10,480 Um so for implementation 7089 04:37:10,480 --> 04:37:14,000 um paragraph one and two 7090 04:37:14,000 --> 04:37:16,719 uh needs a little more work 7091 04:37:16,719 --> 04:37:18,080 um because I would not be able to 7092 04:37:18,080 --> 04:37:21,039 implement it. it it goes against the 7093 04:37:21,039 --> 04:37:22,719 building code 7094 04:37:22,719 --> 04:37:24,629 >> and I and on just like I said to Doug, I 7095 04:37:24,629 --> 04:37:24,639 » and I and on just like I said to Doug, I 7096 04:37:24,639 --> 04:37:26,000 agree with everything you just said. I 7097 04:37:26,000 --> 04:37:28,240 truly do. And I don't think that's what 7098 04:37:28,240 --> 04:37:30,719 this says. It says that this it says 7099 04:37:30,719 --> 04:37:32,080 that where there are issues like that, 7100 04:37:32,080 --> 04:37:35,199 we should explore ways to to get around 7101 04:37:35,199 --> 04:37:37,279 them. Explore doesn't say you have to 7102 04:37:37,279 --> 04:37:40,000 succeed. It says look at it as hard as 7103 04:37:40,000 --> 04:37:42,879 possible and see if there are ways to 7104 04:37:42,879 --> 04:37:45,279 get what needs to be done done. If not, 7105 04:37:45,279 --> 04:37:46,561 it can't be done. But I I want to ask 7106 04:37:46,561 --> 04:37:47,680 the city attorney because I'm I'm 7107 04:37:47,680 --> 04:37:51,760 serious with this. Does this say that um 7108 04:37:51,760 --> 04:37:53,920 we have to defer to licensed 7109 04:37:53,920 --> 04:37:59,429 professionals anywhere? 7110 04:37:59,439 --> 04:38:01,600 » We're talking about section one. 7111 04:38:01,600 --> 04:38:03,269 >> Let's do one first. Yeah. Does this does 7112 04:38:03,269 --> 04:38:03,279 » Let's do one first. Yeah. Does this does 7113 04:38:03,279 --> 04:38:04,879 this say legally? Does this say we have 7114 04:38:04,879 --> 04:38:06,400 to defer to licensed professionals? 7115 04:38:06,400 --> 04:38:07,920 Because I that was not what was intended 7116 04:38:07,920 --> 04:38:13,269 and I don't believe the words say that. 7117 04:38:13,279 --> 04:38:14,799 Well, you have the city staff shall 7118 04:38:14,799 --> 04:38:16,240 defer to the stamped and certified 7119 04:38:16,240 --> 04:38:17,760 decision of the civil engineer employed 7120 04:38:17,760 --> 04:38:20,561 by an applicant so long as such they are 7121 04:38:20,561 --> 04:38:22,480 licensed basically in California and 7122 04:38:22,480 --> 04:38:24,879 experienced in that. So you do have that 7123 04:38:24,879 --> 04:38:25,920 language. 7124 04:38:25,920 --> 04:38:27,189 >> Read the whole sentence from the 7125 04:38:27,189 --> 04:38:27,199 » Read the whole sentence from the 7126 04:38:27,199 --> 04:38:28,879 beginning 7127 04:38:28,879 --> 04:38:30,470 >> to that end. Whenever there is a 7128 04:38:30,470 --> 04:38:30,480 » to that end. Whenever there is a 7129 04:38:30,480 --> 04:38:32,320 difference of opinion on an issue that 7130 04:38:32,320 --> 04:38:34,480 the community development direct uh 7131 04:38:34,480 --> 04:38:36,719 development department CDDD director 7132 04:38:36,719 --> 04:38:38,400 direct recognizes to be a difference of 7133 04:38:38,400 --> 04:38:39,680 opinion upon which reasonable 7134 04:38:39,680 --> 04:38:41,840 professional civil civil engineers might 7135 04:38:41,840 --> 04:38:44,480 differ. the city staff shall defer to 7136 04:38:44,480 --> 04:38:46,320 the stamped and certified decision of 7137 04:38:46,320 --> 04:38:47,600 the civil engineer employed by the 7138 04:38:47,600 --> 04:38:48,160 applicant. 7139 04:38:48,160 --> 04:38:50,869 >> Right. So wouldn't in order to meet the 7140 04:38:50,869 --> 04:38:50,879 » Right. So wouldn't in order to meet the 7141 04:38:50,879 --> 04:38:53,279 first requirement, doesn't the city have 7142 04:38:53,279 --> 04:38:57,279 to first decide it meets the law? 7143 04:38:57,279 --> 04:39:00,799 you're um it comes down to the comm the 7144 04:39:00,799 --> 04:39:03,279 community development director believes 7145 04:39:03,279 --> 04:39:07,279 that uh there's a the difference of 7146 04:39:07,279 --> 04:39:09,760 opinion upon basically a reasonable 7147 04:39:09,760 --> 04:39:11,920 difference of opinion about the issue. 7148 04:39:11,920 --> 04:39:13,039 If there's if there can't be a 7149 04:39:13,039 --> 04:39:15,520 reasonable difference in opinion then 7150 04:39:15,520 --> 04:39:16,879 this community development director 7151 04:39:16,879 --> 04:39:18,240 would not have to defer. That's the 7152 04:39:18,240 --> 04:39:19,039 intention. Right. 7153 04:39:19,039 --> 04:39:20,629 >> Right. if if there's not a if the 7154 04:39:20,629 --> 04:39:20,639 » Right. if if there's not a if the 7155 04:39:20,639 --> 04:39:22,561 community director does not determine 7156 04:39:22,561 --> 04:39:24,639 it's a reasonable interpreta a 7157 04:39:24,639 --> 04:39:26,879 reasonable proposal then they don't have 7158 04:39:26,879 --> 04:39:29,520 to defer to it. 7159 04:39:29,520 --> 04:39:33,349 >> So the gatekeeper is the city at all 7160 04:39:33,349 --> 04:39:33,359 » So the gatekeeper is the city at all 7161 04:39:33,359 --> 04:39:36,320 times. And again if the language needs 7162 04:39:36,320 --> 04:39:38,000 to be tweaked to make it even clearer, 7163 04:39:38,000 --> 04:39:40,400 let's talk about tweaking the language, 7164 04:39:40,400 --> 04:39:42,798 but let's not get held up thinking it 7165 04:39:42,798 --> 04:39:44,240 means something different than it does 7166 04:39:44,240 --> 04:39:46,400 and then saying no. Why don't we try to 7167 04:39:46,400 --> 04:39:48,080 find a way to get to yes? 7168 04:39:48,080 --> 04:39:50,550 >> Hold on a second. If I could, and I want 7169 04:39:50,550 --> 04:39:50,560 » Hold on a second. If I could, and I want 7170 04:39:50,560 --> 04:39:53,040 to go to Maryanne, but isn't this the 7171 04:39:53,040 --> 04:39:55,440 process? If it's what you think it is 7172 04:39:55,440 --> 04:39:57,440 that we're already doing right now, the 7173 04:39:57,440 --> 04:40:00,958 applicant submits the geology report, 7174 04:40:00,958 --> 04:40:02,480 the city looks at it and says, "No, we 7175 04:40:02,480 --> 04:40:05,600 don't agree with it." And the city wins, 7176 04:40:05,600 --> 04:40:07,600 but you're saying the city loses. 7177 04:40:07,600 --> 04:40:09,190 >> Now, if for as long as it's within a 7178 04:40:09,190 --> 04:40:09,200 » Now, if for as long as it's within a 7179 04:40:09,200 --> 04:40:11,840 range of what could be possible, my slab 7180 04:40:11,840 --> 04:40:13,920 example is a perfect example. Post 7181 04:40:13,920 --> 04:40:16,718 tension slabs are built everywhere, 7182 04:40:16,718 --> 04:40:19,120 but they're not built in Malibu on last 7183 04:40:19,120 --> 04:40:22,708 street. 7184 04:40:22,718 --> 04:40:24,718 Um, first of all, I think it is exactly 7185 04:40:24,718 --> 04:40:28,480 what we're doing now after 6 to9 months 7186 04:40:28,480 --> 04:40:32,160 of hashing it out, which I commend 7187 04:40:32,160 --> 04:40:34,400 Yolanda and her staff for getting to 7188 04:40:34,400 --> 04:40:35,600 that point. And I commend the city 7189 04:40:35,600 --> 04:40:36,878 council for getting to that point as 7190 04:40:36,878 --> 04:40:39,200 well. And this is intended to 7191 04:40:39,200 --> 04:40:41,840 memorialize where we've gotten to and 7192 04:40:41,840 --> 04:40:44,000 where the staff has gotten to without a 7193 04:40:44,000 --> 04:40:46,400 formal policy that approves where 7194 04:40:46,400 --> 04:40:48,560 they've gotten to. So I think it really 7195 04:40:48,560 --> 04:40:51,200 does do nothing more than memorializes a 7196 04:40:51,200 --> 04:40:54,560 city council policy where we are. And to 7197 04:40:54,560 --> 04:40:56,798 the extent that anyone here believes the 7198 04:40:56,798 --> 04:41:00,480 language goes further than that, or even 7199 04:41:00,480 --> 04:41:01,920 worse, if anyone here thinks the 7200 04:41:01,920 --> 04:41:03,440 language goes to a point which is 7201 04:41:03,440 --> 04:41:06,400 inappropriate or or unlawful, let's fix 7202 04:41:06,400 --> 04:41:08,080 the language to make sure that it 7203 04:41:08,080 --> 04:41:09,680 doesn't. 7204 04:41:09,680 --> 04:41:11,280 But the point is this is supposed to 7205 04:41:11,280 --> 04:41:14,240 provide a road map not only for now. And 7206 04:41:14,240 --> 04:41:15,600 it's it's actually the road map that's 7207 04:41:15,600 --> 04:41:17,840 already been built. A road map for now, 7208 04:41:17,840 --> 04:41:20,000 but a road map for the future so that 7209 04:41:20,000 --> 04:41:22,718 the next disaster, as Arno said, you 7210 04:41:22,718 --> 04:41:24,400 just pull it out of the drawer and there 7211 04:41:24,400 --> 04:41:26,160 it is. It's already there. It's not a 7212 04:41:26,160 --> 04:41:27,920 question of well, what did we do last 7213 04:41:27,920 --> 04:41:29,680 time? Let's think about it and do we 7214 04:41:29,680 --> 04:41:31,040 agree that we should do the same thing 7215 04:41:31,040 --> 04:41:33,520 this time. It's it's it's a policy that 7216 04:41:33,520 --> 04:41:35,600 could be pulled out and applied. It 7217 04:41:35,600 --> 04:41:37,680 doesn't have to be created again. You 7218 04:41:37,680 --> 04:41:39,200 don't have to keep reinventing the wheel 7219 04:41:39,200 --> 04:41:41,680 every time we have a disaster. So yes, 7220 04:41:41,680 --> 04:41:43,920 it is what we're doing now. 7221 04:41:43,920 --> 04:41:46,310 >> As I said, it was a result of sitting 7222 04:41:46,310 --> 04:41:46,320 » As I said, it was a result of sitting 7223 04:41:46,320 --> 04:41:49,760 here for the past year after 7224 04:41:49,760 --> 04:41:51,910 >> thesis. It's the culmination. It's the 7225 04:41:51,910 --> 04:41:51,920 » thesis. It's the culmination. It's the 7226 04:41:51,920 --> 04:41:53,840 end result. It feels like a little bow 7227 04:41:53,840 --> 04:41:56,000 is put on it. It's a closure. It's a 7228 04:41:56,000 --> 04:41:59,360 document. Um and again, if you don't 7229 04:41:59,360 --> 04:42:01,920 like some of the things, it's open for a 7230 04:42:01,920 --> 04:42:05,040 discussion. Um, but to just throw it out 7231 04:42:05,040 --> 04:42:07,680 because I think you think what it says 7232 04:42:07,680 --> 04:42:09,760 or you're interpreting it in a way that 7233 04:42:09,760 --> 04:42:11,920 you believe 7234 04:42:11,920 --> 04:42:14,240 is possibly I maybe you need to we need 7235 04:42:14,240 --> 04:42:15,920 to take a little bit more time and you 7236 04:42:15,920 --> 04:42:17,520 guys 7237 04:42:17,520 --> 04:42:18,878 need to reread it. 7238 04:42:18,878 --> 04:42:20,070 >> Yeah, but I mean you know this is the 7239 04:42:20,070 --> 04:42:20,080 » Yeah, but I mean you know this is the 7240 04:42:20,080 --> 04:42:21,520 problem of the Brown Act. We this is the 7241 04:42:21,520 --> 04:42:23,200 only way we can talk to each other about 7242 04:42:23,200 --> 04:42:24,798 this and and get it done. 7243 04:42:24,798 --> 04:42:26,390 >> Let me defer to Maryanne. I've talked 7244 04:42:26,390 --> 04:42:26,400 » Let me defer to Maryanne. I've talked 7245 04:42:26,400 --> 04:42:27,600 long enough. 7246 04:42:27,600 --> 04:42:30,390 >> Okay. So [snorts] I hear the community. 7247 04:42:30,390 --> 04:42:30,400 » Okay. So [snorts] I hear the community. 7248 04:42:30,400 --> 04:42:31,840 I hear what you're saying. I hear what 7249 04:42:31,840 --> 04:42:35,200 you want. Everything else, 7250 04:42:35,200 --> 04:42:38,878 um, I appreciate the council members 7251 04:42:38,878 --> 04:42:41,760 that put this together. I appreciate 7252 04:42:41,760 --> 04:42:43,280 what the other council members have said 7253 04:42:43,280 --> 04:42:46,320 to this. Um, 7254 04:42:46,320 --> 04:42:50,580 I think that 7255 04:42:50,590 --> 04:42:52,638 [sighs and gasps] my first first pass 7256 04:42:52,638 --> 04:42:54,798 through this, I just kept writing 7257 04:42:54,798 --> 04:42:56,798 micromanaging staff, micromanaging 7258 04:42:56,798 --> 04:42:59,280 staff, micromanaging staff. Now that 7259 04:42:59,280 --> 04:43:00,798 I've had a chance to hear from the 7260 04:43:00,798 --> 04:43:03,440 council members who put this together, 7261 04:43:03,440 --> 04:43:05,360 I'm 7262 04:43:05,360 --> 04:43:06,798 and hear from the community and 7263 04:43:06,798 --> 04:43:10,230 everything else 7264 04:43:10,240 --> 04:43:13,120 hear that there are people who don't 7265 04:43:13,120 --> 04:43:14,878 understand 7266 04:43:14,878 --> 04:43:16,878 what exists in the city process, what 7267 04:43:16,878 --> 04:43:19,600 has been done by previous councils going 7268 04:43:19,600 --> 04:43:22,638 back all the way to the 93 fire that was 7269 04:43:22,638 --> 04:43:25,040 right on the 7270 04:43:25,040 --> 04:43:27,280 the city hadn't even gotten its feet 7271 04:43:27,280 --> 04:43:29,200 settled yet. and then this major 7272 04:43:29,200 --> 04:43:31,680 disaster happens and then the mudslides 7273 04:43:31,680 --> 04:43:34,798 following them. Um, 7274 04:43:34,798 --> 04:43:39,120 I think that the 7275 04:43:39,120 --> 04:43:41,280 the municipal code and the local coastal 7276 04:43:41,280 --> 04:43:44,718 program had the exemptions and the 7277 04:43:44,718 --> 04:43:47,920 natural disaster rebuild 7278 04:43:47,920 --> 04:43:51,200 um codes already in them. I think that 7279 04:43:51,200 --> 04:43:54,080 it's been a policy of all the councils 7280 04:43:54,080 --> 04:43:57,280 that have encountered the disasters 7281 04:43:57,280 --> 04:44:00,560 93 2007 7282 04:44:00,560 --> 04:44:02,480 2018 7283 04:44:02,480 --> 04:44:05,680 they have all led with we want people to 7284 04:44:05,680 --> 04:44:09,520 rebuild their homes. Now the problem is 7285 04:44:09,520 --> 04:44:11,920 we don't know why people didn't rebuild 7286 04:44:11,920 --> 04:44:14,638 after Woolseie. The city had some 7287 04:44:14,638 --> 04:44:17,120 responsibility on that. COVID had some 7288 04:44:17,120 --> 04:44:20,878 of the responsibility on that and there 7289 04:44:20,878 --> 04:44:24,080 are a lot of external extenduating 7290 04:44:24,080 --> 04:44:26,240 circumstances that have led to people 7291 04:44:26,240 --> 04:44:28,638 not rebuilding and we do need to 7292 04:44:28,638 --> 04:44:30,400 acknowledge that. We do need to 7293 04:44:30,400 --> 04:44:32,718 acknowledge that people are underinsured 7294 04:44:32,718 --> 04:44:36,160 that they had life circumstances that 7295 04:44:36,160 --> 04:44:38,080 took them in a different direction when 7296 04:44:38,080 --> 04:44:41,040 it came time to rebuild. 7297 04:44:41,040 --> 04:44:43,840 I appreciate this document in as much as 7298 04:44:43,840 --> 04:44:45,840 that I know that there are people who 7299 04:44:45,840 --> 04:44:48,240 are looking for the city to just have a 7300 04:44:48,240 --> 04:44:51,440 policy of yeah, we're going to be very 7301 04:44:51,440 --> 04:44:55,280 conservative on new buildings, but when 7302 04:44:55,280 --> 04:44:58,638 it comes to rebuilding, it's, you know, 7303 04:44:58,638 --> 04:45:01,680 all hands go. I think our codes say that 7304 04:45:01,680 --> 04:45:04,638 already. Obviously, our community 7305 04:45:04,638 --> 04:45:07,280 doesn't think that. Obviously, there are 7306 04:45:07,280 --> 04:45:09,680 council members that don't think that. 7307 04:45:09,680 --> 04:45:12,080 And so you're looking to have something 7308 04:45:12,080 --> 04:45:14,958 that makes it very clear that rebuilding 7309 04:45:14,958 --> 04:45:17,680 gets priority over everything. I think 7310 04:45:17,680 --> 04:45:19,520 the things that we've done over the last 7311 04:45:19,520 --> 04:45:21,920 year have shown that this particular 7312 04:45:21,920 --> 04:45:24,560 council feels this way. I think that the 7313 04:45:24,560 --> 04:45:28,958 staff I know that they were in the EOC 7314 04:45:28,958 --> 04:45:30,958 emergency operations center and they 7315 04:45:30,958 --> 04:45:32,958 were already looking at the codes and 7316 04:45:32,958 --> 04:45:35,600 what needed to be modified because of 7317 04:45:35,600 --> 04:45:37,360 the nature of where this particular 7318 04:45:37,360 --> 04:45:40,080 disaster hit. And they did that after 7319 04:45:40,080 --> 04:45:42,718 Woolseie. They're do did it after 7320 04:45:42,718 --> 04:45:44,958 Palisades. And they'll do it after the 7321 04:45:44,958 --> 04:45:47,920 next one. Though I don't know what other 7322 04:45:47,920 --> 04:45:50,638 things could be needed after those two 7323 04:45:50,638 --> 04:45:53,040 disasters to be honest with you, but I'm 7324 04:45:53,040 --> 04:45:56,080 sure there will be something. Um, given 7325 04:45:56,080 --> 04:45:57,520 that we've been talking about this for 7326 04:45:57,520 --> 04:45:59,280 an hour and a half, we still have other 7327 04:45:59,280 --> 04:46:01,120 things on the council. I would suggest 7328 04:46:01,120 --> 04:46:04,480 that we schedule a workshop to actually 7329 04:46:04,480 --> 04:46:07,360 sit down and go through what this 7330 04:46:07,360 --> 04:46:09,040 because 7331 04:46:09,040 --> 04:46:11,600 I think there's three of us up here that 7332 04:46:11,600 --> 04:46:13,680 don't read this the same way that the 7333 04:46:13,680 --> 04:46:16,638 two people that put this together. Um, 7334 04:46:16,638 --> 04:46:19,360 and it needs some more time 7335 04:46:19,360 --> 04:46:22,878 and order to get to a place that 7336 04:46:22,878 --> 04:46:26,560 I think any of us would feel 7337 04:46:26,560 --> 04:46:29,040 comfortable with supporting it and 7338 04:46:29,040 --> 04:46:31,200 moving it forward. So my suggestion is 7339 04:46:31,200 --> 04:46:34,400 that we pause on this and finish the 7340 04:46:34,400 --> 04:46:36,320 rest of the business on our agenda for 7341 04:46:36,320 --> 04:46:37,910 >> Interestingly, Helen and I had wanted 7342 04:46:37,910 --> 04:46:37,920 » Interestingly, Helen and I had wanted 7343 04:46:37,920 --> 04:46:40,400 this to be a workshop from the day we 7344 04:46:40,400 --> 04:46:43,120 presented it. And again, because of the 7345 04:46:43,120 --> 04:46:45,200 way the city was being run at the time 7346 04:46:45,200 --> 04:46:46,320 because, you know, we're still we're 7347 04:46:46,320 --> 04:46:49,360 still somewhat semi-rutterless. I don't 7348 04:46:49,360 --> 04:46:51,600 with no disrespect intended, but you 7349 04:46:51,600 --> 04:46:52,798 know, we don't we don't have a permanent 7350 04:46:52,798 --> 04:46:54,798 city manager who's who's been a city 7351 04:46:54,798 --> 04:46:57,840 manager. Um, we we had wanted this to be 7352 04:46:57,840 --> 04:47:00,080 a workshop. I think a lot of the issues 7353 04:47:00,080 --> 04:47:02,080 that we're dealing with tonight in an 7354 04:47:02,080 --> 04:47:03,360 awkward way could have been dealt with 7355 04:47:03,360 --> 04:47:06,080 in a lot better way. Um, but we didn't 7356 04:47:06,080 --> 04:47:07,840 have the right to call a workshop. We 7357 04:47:07,840 --> 04:47:10,000 had the right to put it on an agenda. 7358 04:47:10,000 --> 04:47:12,080 Um, and it's been on the agenda now for 7359 04:47:12,080 --> 04:47:13,920 two months and we've been trying to get 7360 04:47:13,920 --> 04:47:15,600 it to the point where we actually our 7361 04:47:15,600 --> 04:47:17,440 intention the very first night we had it 7362 04:47:17,440 --> 04:47:19,840 on there was to say 7363 04:47:19,840 --> 04:47:21,680 let's put this on a workshop. So, I 7364 04:47:21,680 --> 04:47:24,638 actually concur with that. Um, I also 7365 04:47:24,638 --> 04:47:27,920 didn't feel that I, you know, a lot of 7366 04:47:27,920 --> 04:47:29,920 this stuff has already been done. Almost 7367 04:47:29,920 --> 04:47:32,000 all of it's already been done. So, the 7368 04:47:32,000 --> 04:47:35,040 urgency of getting this in place is less 7369 04:47:35,040 --> 04:47:38,560 than it was as you know. Um, keeps being 7370 04:47:38,560 --> 04:47:40,240 said, I I wrote an article about this 6 7371 04:47:40,240 --> 04:47:42,878 months ago. Um, and I'm remiss for not 7372 04:47:42,878 --> 04:47:44,240 having pressed to have it put on the 7373 04:47:44,240 --> 04:47:47,040 agenda back then. So, to the residents, 7374 04:47:47,040 --> 04:47:49,600 I apologize for not having done that. 7375 04:47:49,600 --> 04:47:52,320 Um, but you know, a good example in here 7376 04:47:52,320 --> 04:47:54,718 is this has a provision towards the end 7377 04:47:54,718 --> 04:47:57,280 of paragraph 2 about finding ways to let 7378 04:47:57,280 --> 04:47:59,120 people use their existing septics and 7379 04:47:59,120 --> 04:48:00,560 their listing and their existing 7380 04:48:00,560 --> 04:48:02,080 foundations. And until a couple weeks 7381 04:48:02,080 --> 04:48:04,958 ago, the being able to use your existing 7382 04:48:04,958 --> 04:48:08,080 septic system if it wasn't destroyed was 7383 04:48:08,080 --> 04:48:10,160 still a gating issue and it was finally 7384 04:48:10,160 --> 04:48:11,840 and it was resolved to the to the, you 7385 04:48:11,840 --> 04:48:14,000 know, by our by our great staff. Yolanda 7386 04:48:14,000 --> 04:48:15,360 took the lead on that and we got and 7387 04:48:15,360 --> 04:48:17,440 that was resolved. This has been 7388 04:48:17,440 --> 04:48:18,798 pressing for that. You know, I've been 7389 04:48:18,798 --> 04:48:20,560 I' I've been saying that in writing for 7390 04:48:20,560 --> 04:48:23,040 many months. Halen has been and it was 7391 04:48:23,040 --> 04:48:25,840 in this proposal and the events have 7392 04:48:25,840 --> 04:48:28,320 passed the requ the requirement that 7393 04:48:28,320 --> 04:48:29,760 that we try to find a way to get it 7394 04:48:29,760 --> 04:48:31,840 done. We still have to find a way if 7395 04:48:31,840 --> 04:48:34,160 possible to let people use foundations. 7396 04:48:34,160 --> 04:48:35,920 Maybe that's already been done, but 7397 04:48:35,920 --> 04:48:38,320 okay, it has. So again, these are not 7398 04:48:38,320 --> 04:48:41,600 these are not creating new rules. These 7399 04:48:41,600 --> 04:48:45,520 are these are memorializing as policy 7400 04:48:45,520 --> 04:48:47,760 that which we've all struggled with. so 7401 04:48:47,760 --> 04:48:49,760 mightily and gotten to the point of 7402 04:48:49,760 --> 04:48:51,920 doing. But having a workshop, I support 7403 04:48:51,920 --> 04:48:53,760 that. I suspect Tailon does. Let's let's 7404 04:48:53,760 --> 04:48:57,280 let's schedule a workshop. I if you know 7405 04:48:57,280 --> 04:48:59,760 I I feel bad suggesting to the residents 7406 04:48:59,760 --> 04:49:00,878 that we'd have to wait a little while 7407 04:49:00,878 --> 04:49:02,240 longer, but maybe it makes sense to do 7408 04:49:02,240 --> 04:49:03,680 it once Joe comes in. 7409 04:49:03,680 --> 04:49:03,990 >> Yeah. 7410 04:49:03,990 --> 04:49:04,000 » Yeah. 7411 04:49:04,000 --> 04:49:06,230 >> And we can and we can do it and he can 7412 04:49:06,230 --> 04:49:06,240 » And we can and we can do it and he can 7413 04:49:06,240 --> 04:49:08,000 coordinate with the staff better the way 7414 04:49:08,000 --> 04:49:09,600 it would have been done had it come from 7415 04:49:09,600 --> 04:49:12,400 the staff in the first place. But, you 7416 04:49:12,400 --> 04:49:14,718 know, let's just not throw this out. I 7417 04:49:14,718 --> 04:49:17,360 think it's an important piece of policy 7418 04:49:17,360 --> 04:49:19,280 that we owe it to the community to put 7419 04:49:19,280 --> 04:49:20,798 into place and we owe it to future city 7420 04:49:20,798 --> 04:49:22,240 councils to put into place. 7421 04:49:22,240 --> 04:49:24,470 >> I disagree with that, but I'd rather 7422 04:49:24,470 --> 04:49:24,480 » I disagree with that, but I'd rather 7423 04:49:24,480 --> 04:49:28,320 they have the opportunity to 7424 04:49:28,320 --> 04:49:32,000 to think about the specific nature of 7425 04:49:32,000 --> 04:49:34,638 those disasters when and if they come, 7426 04:49:34,638 --> 04:49:37,040 how they that city wants to respond and 7427 04:49:37,040 --> 04:49:38,638 that council wants to respond at that 7428 04:49:38,638 --> 04:49:40,240 time where we've already got the things. 7429 04:49:40,240 --> 04:49:41,520 I just want to go back to the opening 7430 04:49:41,520 --> 04:49:43,120 comments that Doug made regarding, you 7431 04:49:43,120 --> 04:49:45,600 know, getting some feedback from the 7432 04:49:45,600 --> 04:49:48,958 staff in terms of, you know, I had the 7433 04:49:48,958 --> 04:49:50,638 experience. We rebuilt the company. All 7434 04:49:50,638 --> 04:49:53,440 right? We did it under this rule that 7435 04:49:53,440 --> 04:49:54,798 we're going to get it done in two years 7436 04:49:54,798 --> 04:49:57,040 period. All right? So, we made up what 7437 04:49:57,040 --> 04:49:58,480 we thought were the right rules, but we 7438 04:49:58,480 --> 04:50:00,718 sat down with everybody in that company 7439 04:50:00,718 --> 04:50:02,080 and we said, "Here's what we're going to 7440 04:50:02,080 --> 04:50:04,480 do." And they had a chance to come back 7441 04:50:04,480 --> 04:50:06,320 and say, "That works. That's going to 7442 04:50:06,320 --> 04:50:08,160 work. That's stupid." All right? And so 7443 04:50:08,160 --> 04:50:09,920 when we got to the end of making the 7444 04:50:09,920 --> 04:50:11,760 final decision, even though we thought 7445 04:50:11,760 --> 04:50:13,280 we knew exactly what the hell we're 7446 04:50:13,280 --> 04:50:14,718 supposed to be doing, we got better 7447 04:50:14,718 --> 04:50:16,638 input as a result of talking to them. So 7448 04:50:16,638 --> 04:50:18,480 I just don't think we want to do this 7449 04:50:18,480 --> 04:50:20,240 without a conversation with the folks 7450 04:50:20,240 --> 04:50:21,680 who actually have to do the work because 7451 04:50:21,680 --> 04:50:23,120 they forgot more about this than I'm 7452 04:50:23,120 --> 04:50:24,080 ever going to know. 7453 04:50:24,080 --> 04:50:27,190 >> Yeah. Before you start, I just and I 7454 04:50:27,190 --> 04:50:27,200 » Yeah. Before you start, I just and I 7455 04:50:27,200 --> 04:50:28,560 wanted to address things. So the 7456 04:50:28,560 --> 04:50:30,798 foundation thing, the foundation's set 7457 04:50:30,798 --> 04:50:33,040 since Woolseie. It's the same policy 7458 04:50:33,040 --> 04:50:35,760 they were using in Woolseie. So that's 7459 04:50:35,760 --> 04:50:38,480 not something that just got done. It it 7460 04:50:38,480 --> 04:50:40,638 has been the documents have been 7461 04:50:40,638 --> 04:50:42,958 available. People have been able to get 7462 04:50:42,958 --> 04:50:44,240 it for the rebuild center. They've been 7463 04:50:44,240 --> 04:50:47,040 able to get it from the website. So that 7464 04:50:47,040 --> 04:50:49,680 goes back, you know, six years where 7465 04:50:49,680 --> 04:50:52,638 it's already been in process. So that's 7466 04:50:52,638 --> 04:50:54,000 what I'm kind of talking about that 7467 04:50:54,000 --> 04:50:55,840 there's there's information that's out 7468 04:50:55,840 --> 04:50:58,160 there, but people aren't either adopting 7469 04:50:58,160 --> 04:50:59,840 it or 7470 04:50:59,840 --> 04:51:03,430 >> I whichever. So go ahead. And I think um 7471 04:51:03,430 --> 04:51:03,440 » I whichever. So go ahead. And I think um 7472 04:51:03,440 --> 04:51:06,718 so what I've heard from from I mean 7473 04:51:06,718 --> 04:51:08,958 forever is just to be proactive and to 7474 04:51:08,958 --> 04:51:11,120 not and to be less reactive and I felt 7475 04:51:11,120 --> 04:51:13,360 that you know this is these are 7476 04:51:13,360 --> 04:51:15,120 unprecedented 7477 04:51:15,120 --> 04:51:17,200 earthquakes are unprecedented fires are 7478 04:51:17,200 --> 04:51:19,840 unprecedented um if another council like 7479 04:51:19,840 --> 04:51:21,760 I know I would totally appreciate just 7480 04:51:21,760 --> 04:51:25,120 having a guide book and I don't have to 7481 04:51:25,120 --> 04:51:27,040 adopt it but with my council members at 7482 04:51:27,040 --> 04:51:28,400 that time I could say well this is what 7483 04:51:28,400 --> 04:51:30,400 they did in 2025 this works this works 7484 04:51:30,400 --> 04:51:32,480 this doesn't work and it might save them 7485 04:51:32,480 --> 04:51:34,320 time and it might not. But having that 7486 04:51:34,320 --> 04:51:36,718 option of the information is so 7487 04:51:36,718 --> 04:51:38,638 important just to have this sort of 7488 04:51:38,638 --> 04:51:41,280 structure and foundation for the city. 7489 04:51:41,280 --> 04:51:43,200 Um because to me somehow it feels a 7490 04:51:43,200 --> 04:51:44,718 little irresponsible for us to go 7491 04:51:44,718 --> 04:51:47,120 through all of this and I'm I'm grateful 7492 04:51:47,120 --> 04:51:48,718 that we have it on video but to have 7493 04:51:48,718 --> 04:51:51,280 these documents and policy. If I was a 7494 04:51:51,280 --> 04:51:53,280 council member in 10 years and I'd go, 7495 04:51:53,280 --> 04:51:54,878 "Oh my god, they live through Palisades 7496 04:51:54,878 --> 04:51:56,480 and they didn't have a policy from 7497 04:51:56,480 --> 04:52:00,240 that." I think I would feel like 7498 04:52:00,240 --> 04:52:03,600 it was irresponsible. So that to me I 7499 04:52:03,600 --> 04:52:04,320 think there's a little bit of 7500 04:52:04,320 --> 04:52:06,080 defensiveness and everybody should sleep 7501 04:52:06,080 --> 04:52:09,040 on on this and because it's not intended 7502 04:52:09,040 --> 04:52:12,480 again to criticize or say that anybody's 7503 04:52:12,480 --> 04:52:14,638 doing a bad job in my opinion. It's 7504 04:52:14,638 --> 04:52:16,638 literally like it's our job to make 7505 04:52:16,638 --> 04:52:19,280 policy and we've explored all of these 7506 04:52:19,280 --> 04:52:20,718 things for a year and we're putting it 7507 04:52:20,718 --> 04:52:22,480 into a document. So, we'll sleep on it 7508 04:52:22,480 --> 04:52:24,878 and we'll come back to it in a workshop, 7509 04:52:24,878 --> 04:52:26,878 I think, because that would be great. As 7510 04:52:26,878 --> 04:52:29,120 Bruce said, I was hoping for an open 7511 04:52:29,120 --> 04:52:31,440 dialogue with people where we don't have 7512 04:52:31,440 --> 04:52:34,160 to be up here doing this in a very 7513 04:52:34,160 --> 04:52:39,040 structured format. Um, so do we vote on 7514 04:52:39,040 --> 04:52:41,360 that 7515 04:52:41,360 --> 04:52:43,270 >> draw? I mean, do we need a vote on this 7516 04:52:43,270 --> 04:52:43,280 » draw? I mean, do we need a vote on this 7517 04:52:43,280 --> 04:52:46,240 or are we just directing staff? I think 7518 04:52:46,240 --> 04:52:47,760 there's consensus from the body to 7519 04:52:47,760 --> 04:52:49,360 schedule a workshop 7520 04:52:49,360 --> 04:52:51,430 >> and it will be after the new city 7521 04:52:51,430 --> 04:52:51,440 » and it will be after the new city 7522 04:52:51,440 --> 04:52:52,080 manager 7523 04:52:52,080 --> 04:52:53,670 >> to schedule a workshop with the new city 7524 04:52:53,670 --> 04:52:53,680 » to schedule a workshop with the new city 7525 04:52:53,680 --> 04:52:54,958 manager. 7526 04:52:54,958 --> 04:52:57,350 >> So yeah, 7527 04:52:57,350 --> 04:52:57,360 » So yeah, 7528 04:52:57,360 --> 04:52:59,270 >> I just want one other comment is I had 7529 04:52:59,270 --> 04:52:59,280 » I just want one other comment is I had 7530 04:52:59,280 --> 04:53:01,280 comments generally for the community 7531 04:53:01,280 --> 04:53:03,760 too. I I don't think Danny I don't and 7532 04:53:03,760 --> 04:53:05,120 others have said this too. I do not 7533 04:53:05,120 --> 04:53:07,200 believe it's fair though to be calling 7534 04:53:07,200 --> 04:53:11,040 22 building permits a monumental 7535 04:53:11,040 --> 04:53:14,240 um failure. There are plenty of reasons 7536 04:53:14,240 --> 04:53:17,280 why it has taken the time it's taken for 7537 04:53:17,280 --> 04:53:19,440 the ones to be approved to be approved. 7538 04:53:19,440 --> 04:53:22,958 And I do believe that it doesn't help to 7539 04:53:22,958 --> 04:53:25,360 be criticizing the staff as as claiming 7540 04:53:25,360 --> 04:53:28,958 a failure. Um, and whoever said it was 7541 04:53:28,958 --> 04:53:31,200 Scott, the math is 22 in one year means 7542 04:53:31,200 --> 04:53:34,000 it'll take 27 for all of them. You know, 7543 04:53:34,000 --> 04:53:36,160 there's exponential improvement. It's 7544 04:53:36,160 --> 04:53:37,920 not it's not that you're going to get 22 7545 04:53:37,920 --> 04:53:39,200 a year every year. here and there's 7546 04:53:39,200 --> 04:53:40,000 going to be plenty that aren't going to 7547 04:53:40,000 --> 04:53:41,600 be built full stop because people just 7548 04:53:41,600 --> 04:53:43,840 are going to decide they're not capable. 7549 04:53:43,840 --> 04:53:45,600 I mean that happens every time 7550 04:53:45,600 --> 04:53:47,120 everywhere despite the best of 7551 04:53:47,120 --> 04:53:50,160 abilities. Um so I I think the staff is 7552 04:53:50,160 --> 04:53:52,000 doing an amazing job and this was 7553 04:53:52,000 --> 04:53:53,840 intended to memorialize a lot of the 7554 04:53:53,840 --> 04:53:55,840 things that they've done already and to 7555 04:53:55,840 --> 04:53:58,718 try to put them in place. And um 7556 04:53:58,718 --> 04:54:00,320 whatever we vote on this doesn't prove 7557 04:54:00,320 --> 04:54:01,920 electability or non-electability because 7558 04:54:01,920 --> 04:54:03,280 I'll tell you I'm not electable no 7559 04:54:03,280 --> 04:54:08,470 matter what because I'm turned out. 7560 04:54:08,480 --> 04:54:11,360 Okay. So, um, we're going to move on to 7561 04:54:11,360 --> 04:54:12,718 the next item. Yeah. 7562 04:54:12,718 --> 04:54:14,470 >> Okay. So, we're on to 5A. 7563 04:54:14,470 --> 04:54:14,480 » Okay. So, we're on to 5A. 7564 04:54:14,480 --> 04:54:16,470 >> Thank you all for your comments. 7565 04:54:16,470 --> 04:54:16,480 » Thank you all for your comments. 7566 04:54:16,480 --> 04:54:18,310 >> I I'd like to make one quick comment. 7567 04:54:18,310 --> 04:54:18,320 » I I'd like to make one quick comment. 7568 04:54:18,320 --> 04:54:20,080 There's there are things in here that 7569 04:54:20,080 --> 04:54:21,760 are workable and probably need to be 7570 04:54:21,760 --> 04:54:22,638 documented, 7571 04:54:22,638 --> 04:54:25,830 >> but I think uh there's issues that we 7572 04:54:25,830 --> 04:54:25,840 » but I think uh there's issues that we 7573 04:54:25,840 --> 04:54:27,840 have with this. Some of it language, 7574 04:54:27,840 --> 04:54:30,160 some of it's philosophy, but I would 7575 04:54:30,160 --> 04:54:32,000 encourage everybody and the phrase 7576 04:54:32,000 --> 04:54:34,240 that's used often times in management, 7577 04:54:34,240 --> 04:54:36,958 participatory management. It's amazing 7578 04:54:36,958 --> 04:54:39,040 what the people on the shop floor know 7579 04:54:39,040 --> 04:54:41,840 that the engineers in the offices don't. 7580 04:54:41,840 --> 04:54:43,200 And that's where you start getting this 7581 04:54:43,200 --> 04:54:45,920 all together. Go back to Steve's point. 7582 04:54:45,920 --> 04:54:48,638 When you build it with a team, you'd be 7583 04:54:48,638 --> 04:54:50,000 surprised how much better it's 7584 04:54:50,000 --> 04:54:51,830 >> this is a very inhibited process. 7585 04:54:51,830 --> 04:54:51,840 » this is a very inhibited process. 7586 04:54:51,840 --> 04:54:53,830 >> Yeah. I mean, Doug, genuine question. 7587 04:54:53,830 --> 04:54:53,840 » Yeah. I mean, Doug, genuine question. 7588 04:54:53,840 --> 04:54:55,520 You know, if if this was something you 7589 04:54:55,520 --> 04:54:57,360 were trying to accomplish and you had 7590 04:54:57,360 --> 04:54:58,958 these ideas and you thought they made 7591 04:54:58,958 --> 04:55:01,040 sense and you were dealing with a city 7592 04:55:01,040 --> 04:55:04,320 whose staff was overwhelmed with the 7593 04:55:04,320 --> 04:55:06,878 rebuild process and and didn't have time 7594 04:55:06,878 --> 04:55:09,840 to do the normal evaluation of something 7595 04:55:09,840 --> 04:55:13,600 and you had a um city manager who wasn't 7596 04:55:13,600 --> 04:55:15,440 willing to impose this on the staff and 7597 04:55:15,440 --> 04:55:17,760 appropriately so and you're not allowed 7598 04:55:17,760 --> 04:55:20,560 to talk to the staff beyond the city 7599 04:55:20,560 --> 04:55:22,878 manager and the director level. How 7600 04:55:22,878 --> 04:55:24,000 would you go about getting your 7601 04:55:24,000 --> 04:55:25,920 consensus from the staff to get to be 7602 04:55:25,920 --> 04:55:27,280 able to present something to the city 7603 04:55:27,280 --> 04:55:28,080 council? 7604 04:55:28,080 --> 04:55:29,750 >> It's a failure if you're not able to 7605 04:55:29,750 --> 04:55:29,760 » It's a failure if you're not able to 7606 04:55:29,760 --> 04:55:32,160 sell the concept to somebody. And 7607 04:55:32,160 --> 04:55:35,920 honestly, if if your job as a leader, 7608 04:55:35,920 --> 04:55:38,000 you and I think it's Michelle has a 7609 04:55:38,000 --> 04:55:39,840 comment uh that he always puts on his 7610 04:55:39,840 --> 04:55:41,440 emails, you can't explain it to a 7611 04:55:41,440 --> 04:55:43,360 six-year-old, you don't know what you're 7612 04:55:43,360 --> 04:55:46,080 talking about. So, that's where I think 7613 04:55:46,080 --> 04:55:47,680 you have to be able to sell the concept 7614 04:55:47,680 --> 04:55:49,680 that we need to have this and invest the 7615 04:55:49,680 --> 04:55:52,160 time. And honestly, we've spent enough 7616 04:55:52,160 --> 04:55:54,080 time right now, we could have gotten 7617 04:55:54,080 --> 04:55:56,878 Yolanda's input on this and been able to 7618 04:55:56,878 --> 04:55:58,400 build some of this and come back with 7619 04:55:58,400 --> 04:56:00,480 maybe iterations. 7620 04:56:00,480 --> 04:56:03,520 It look it takes time to build a 7621 04:56:03,520 --> 04:56:06,638 successful result. And that's what I 7622 04:56:06,638 --> 04:56:09,680 Steve's point. It you got to you got to 7623 04:56:09,680 --> 04:56:12,638 work the the minds and get the consensus 7624 04:56:12,638 --> 04:56:15,360 built. It's not the five of us up here 7625 04:56:15,360 --> 04:56:16,240 to do this. 7626 04:56:16,240 --> 04:56:18,230 >> That's what we're trying to do. I think 7627 04:56:18,230 --> 04:56:18,240 » That's what we're trying to do. I think 7628 04:56:18,240 --> 04:56:20,080 that there's a misconception that we're 7629 04:56:20,080 --> 04:56:22,000 not trying to do that. But I think that 7630 04:56:22,000 --> 04:56:24,160 Bruce, we've asked for workshops over 7631 04:56:24,160 --> 04:56:25,680 and over and over again. We've asked for 7632 04:56:25,680 --> 04:56:27,760 collaborations with desks that are down 7633 04:56:27,760 --> 04:56:29,920 there where we can talk about these 7634 04:56:29,920 --> 04:56:33,440 things. Um the this strange fact notion 7635 04:56:33,440 --> 04:56:35,120 that you're saying that we're not 7636 04:56:35,120 --> 04:56:37,840 building consensus. The Brown Act is not 7637 04:56:37,840 --> 04:56:40,240 a consensus building activity. 7638 04:56:40,240 --> 04:56:42,868 >> Okay. I'm I'm sorry. We We really have 7639 04:56:42,868 --> 04:56:42,878 » Okay. I'm I'm sorry. We We really have 7640 04:56:42,878 --> 04:56:44,798 other stuff we need to Let's talk about 7641 04:56:44,798 --> 04:56:47,120 this at the workshop. We can have it in 7642 04:56:47,120 --> 04:56:48,798 council gu items in the future, but 7643 04:56:48,798 --> 04:56:51,040 we've got some things that we need to do 7644 04:56:51,040 --> 04:56:53,600 tonight. I think we all heard each 7645 04:56:53,600 --> 04:56:56,718 other. We're willing to talk and flush 7646 04:56:56,718 --> 04:56:58,798 this out some more. Nobody's dismissing 7647 04:56:58,798 --> 04:57:01,920 it slight out of hand. We're not shoeing 7648 04:57:01,920 --> 04:57:04,718 it away. We're just giving us an 7649 04:57:04,718 --> 04:57:07,440 opportunity where we can actually have a 7650 04:57:07,440 --> 04:57:09,840 more robust long-term conversation. So, 7651 04:57:09,840 --> 04:57:12,160 I would like us to move on to 5A before 7652 04:57:12,160 --> 04:57:14,240 we have to start calling all these 7653 04:57:14,240 --> 04:57:18,868 things special things. So 7654 04:57:18,878 --> 04:57:22,320 5A, do we have a staff report? Anybody 7655 04:57:22,320 --> 04:57:24,320 wants to comment, put in a speaker slip 7656 04:57:24,320 --> 04:57:26,798 for 5A, please do so now or forever hold 7657 04:57:26,798 --> 04:57:30,390 your peace. 7658 04:57:30,400 --> 04:57:33,520 Do we have anybody online? 7659 04:57:33,520 --> 04:57:35,910 >> We have no speaker slips and one raised 7660 04:57:35,910 --> 04:57:35,920 » We have no speaker slips and one raised 7661 04:57:35,920 --> 04:57:36,480 hand. 7662 04:57:36,480 --> 04:57:36,948 >> Okay. 7663 04:57:36,948 --> 04:57:36,958 » Okay. 7664 04:57:36,958 --> 04:57:38,390 >> Yolanda, will you please guide us 7665 04:57:38,390 --> 04:57:38,400 » Yolanda, will you please guide us 7666 04:57:38,400 --> 04:57:39,360 through here, please? 7667 04:57:39,360 --> 04:57:42,948 >> Yes. Um should it's a very short 7668 04:57:42,948 --> 04:57:42,958 » Yes. Um should it's a very short 7669 04:57:42,958 --> 04:57:44,638 presentation. 7670 04:57:44,638 --> 04:57:47,760 Uh just uh as a background on December 7671 04:57:47,760 --> 04:57:50,958 8th uh we brought to you city council 7672 04:57:50,958 --> 04:57:55,920 emergency ordinance number three uh 531U 7673 04:57:55,920 --> 04:57:58,320 uh to incorporate the new uh state 7674 04:57:58,320 --> 04:58:01,280 building codes uh and also bring the 7675 04:58:01,280 --> 04:58:03,840 first reading of the ordinance. Um at 7676 04:58:03,840 --> 04:58:06,480 that time we recommend to do a second 7677 04:58:06,480 --> 04:58:09,520 reading of the ordinance. Uh and that is 7678 04:58:09,520 --> 04:58:12,958 what we're doing uh this evening. Any 7679 04:58:12,958 --> 04:58:16,798 clarifi clarifying questions by council? 7680 04:58:16,798 --> 04:58:17,190 >> Okay, 7681 04:58:17,190 --> 04:58:17,200 » Okay, 7682 04:58:17,200 --> 04:58:20,070 >> just one quick qu one quick question. 7683 04:58:20,070 --> 04:58:20,080 » just one quick qu one quick question. 7684 04:58:20,080 --> 04:58:22,320 How much flexibility do we have to make 7685 04:58:22,320 --> 04:58:25,680 changes to this or not accept it? 7686 04:58:25,680 --> 04:58:26,708 >> None. 7687 04:58:26,708 --> 04:58:26,718 » None. 7688 04:58:26,718 --> 04:58:27,350 >> No. 7689 04:58:27,350 --> 04:58:27,360 » No. 7690 04:58:27,360 --> 04:58:29,510 >> Yeah. It's it's a state law. We just 7691 04:58:29,510 --> 04:58:29,520 » Yeah. It's it's a state law. We just 7692 04:58:29,520 --> 04:58:30,958 need to adopt it, right? 7693 04:58:30,958 --> 04:58:33,750 >> Yes. Uh we're following uh county's uh 7694 04:58:33,750 --> 04:58:33,760 » Yes. Uh we're following uh county's uh 7695 04:58:33,760 --> 04:58:37,680 recommendations. We also have added our 7696 04:58:37,680 --> 04:58:40,718 uh usual recommended amendments uh due 7697 04:58:40,718 --> 04:58:43,520 to our climatic uh regional and 7698 04:58:43,520 --> 04:58:46,638 geotechnical issues that the city has 7699 04:58:46,638 --> 04:58:50,080 very similar to what we had in 2020 uh 7700 04:58:50,080 --> 04:58:51,680 three and under the building code 7701 04:58:51,680 --> 04:58:52,958 adoption 7702 04:58:52,958 --> 04:58:55,590 >> and this does not apply to the uh 7703 04:58:55,590 --> 04:58:55,600 » and this does not apply to the uh 7704 04:58:55,600 --> 04:58:57,520 rebuilds because we're still under the 7705 04:58:57,520 --> 04:58:59,200 23 code. Correct. 7706 04:58:59,200 --> 04:59:01,110 >> That is correct. the uh state of 7707 04:59:01,110 --> 04:59:01,120 » That is correct. the uh state of 7708 04:59:01,120 --> 04:59:04,240 California, the governor u um provided 7709 04:59:04,240 --> 04:59:07,280 an executive order in which they he 7710 04:59:07,280 --> 04:59:10,718 allows uh fire rebuilds to rebuild under 7711 04:59:10,718 --> 04:59:15,200 the 2023 code. Uh there is an option uh 7712 04:59:15,200 --> 04:59:17,840 if any of the fire rebuilds that are 7713 04:59:17,840 --> 04:59:19,520 moving forward, they would like to 7714 04:59:19,520 --> 04:59:21,920 comply with the new code. Um they are 7715 04:59:21,920 --> 04:59:24,638 allowed to do that. And to just to 7716 04:59:24,638 --> 04:59:27,680 disclose to council, I have uh four 7717 04:59:27,680 --> 04:59:29,680 properties that decided to move forward 7718 04:59:29,680 --> 04:59:31,760 with the 2026 codes. 7719 04:59:31,760 --> 04:59:34,708 >> Okay. Thank you. 7720 04:59:34,708 --> 04:59:34,718 » Okay. Thank you. 7721 04:59:34,718 --> 04:59:37,350 >> Any other questions? Public comment, 7722 04:59:37,350 --> 04:59:37,360 » Any other questions? Public comment, 7723 04:59:37,360 --> 04:59:41,670 please. 7724 04:59:41,680 --> 04:59:44,240 » Joe Drummond. 7725 04:59:44,240 --> 04:59:46,788 >> Joe, are you there? 7726 04:59:46,788 --> 04:59:46,798 » Joe, are you there? 7727 04:59:46,798 --> 04:59:49,190 >> Hi. Yes. People are saying they can't 7728 04:59:49,190 --> 04:59:49,200 » Hi. Yes. People are saying they can't 7729 04:59:49,200 --> 04:59:50,480 hear me. Can you hear me? 7730 04:59:50,480 --> 04:59:52,628 >> We can hear you. Oh, sorry. We can hear 7731 04:59:52,628 --> 04:59:52,638 » We can hear you. Oh, sorry. We can hear 7732 04:59:52,638 --> 04:59:54,080 you. 7733 04:59:54,080 --> 04:59:55,750 >> Okay. Well, I'm speaking tonight 7734 04:59:55,750 --> 04:59:55,760 » Okay. Well, I'm speaking tonight 7735 04:59:55,760 --> 04:59:57,440 specifically on the adoption of 7736 04:59:57,440 --> 05:00:00,400 California Building Code section 106.3 7737 05:00:00,400 --> 05:00:03,280 to work exempted. A key provision from 7738 05:00:03,280 --> 05:00:05,280 the state and county code is being 7739 05:00:05,280 --> 05:00:07,600 omitted. And if that omission is not 7740 05:00:07,600 --> 05:00:09,280 corrected, it will continue to cause 7741 05:00:09,280 --> 05:00:12,080 unnecessary hardship for mal residents. 7742 05:00:12,080 --> 05:00:14,638 The state code explicitly provides that 7743 05:00:14,638 --> 05:00:17,840 a building permit is not required for 7744 05:00:17,840 --> 05:00:20,160 decks, walks, and driveways not more 7745 05:00:20,160 --> 05:00:23,200 than 30 in above grade, not over any 7746 05:00:23,200 --> 05:00:26,320 basement or story below, and not part of 7747 05:00:26,320 --> 05:00:28,560 an accessible route. I can personally 7748 05:00:28,560 --> 05:00:30,798 attest to the consequences of omitting 7749 05:00:30,798 --> 05:00:33,360 this provision. It took more than three 7750 05:00:33,360 --> 05:00:36,080 years to permit my 64 square foot 7751 05:00:36,080 --> 05:00:38,080 freestanding deck which remained 7752 05:00:38,080 --> 05:00:40,480 standing even after the fires which was 7753 05:00:40,480 --> 05:00:42,560 designed using prescriptive engineering 7754 05:00:42,560 --> 05:00:45,120 assumptions by the way which is routine 7755 05:00:45,120 --> 05:00:46,718 worldwide. 7756 05:00:46,718 --> 05:00:48,878 It is not rocket science to rebuild our 7757 05:00:48,878 --> 05:00:51,280 homes. It is simple engineering science 7758 05:00:51,280 --> 05:00:53,360 for our simple deck. What should have 7759 05:00:53,360 --> 05:00:55,200 been a simple administrative review 7760 05:00:55,200 --> 05:00:57,680 became a prolonged process involving 7761 05:00:57,680 --> 05:01:00,000 multiple geotechnical studies, 7762 05:01:00,000 --> 05:01:02,320 escalating fees, and even threats of a 7763 05:01:02,320 --> 05:01:04,798 variance, later confirmed by the city 7764 05:01:04,798 --> 05:01:07,840 attorney to be unnecessary. A small 7765 05:01:07,840 --> 05:01:10,638 freestanding deck under 30 in of off 7766 05:01:10,638 --> 05:01:12,878 grade supported by a modest concrete 7767 05:01:12,878 --> 05:01:14,878 pile foundation should not be treated 7768 05:01:14,878 --> 05:01:17,440 like a major addition or a hillside 7769 05:01:17,440 --> 05:01:19,600 structure. These are low risk projects 7770 05:01:19,600 --> 05:01:21,360 that should be resolved in months, not 7771 05:01:21,360 --> 05:01:23,760 years. I respectfully ask the council to 7772 05:01:23,760 --> 05:01:25,920 do one of two things. Restore the 7773 05:01:25,920 --> 05:01:27,840 working center provision exactly as 7774 05:01:27,840 --> 05:01:30,560 written in a state code or adopted it 7775 05:01:30,560 --> 05:01:33,360 with a clear size cap such as 200 square 7776 05:01:33,360 --> 05:01:36,240 ft or decks to ensure it applies only to 7777 05:01:36,240 --> 05:01:39,040 true small low impact projects. Equally 7778 05:01:39,040 --> 05:01:41,040 important, the city must clearly explain 7779 05:01:41,040 --> 05:01:43,280 what process applies to work exempted 7780 05:01:43,280 --> 05:01:45,440 work. In my case, the lack of clarity 7781 05:01:45,440 --> 05:01:47,280 led to code enforcement action and a 7782 05:01:47,280 --> 05:01:49,680 three-year ordeal despite acting in good 7783 05:01:49,680 --> 05:01:51,920 faith under the state code. To be clear, 7784 05:01:51,920 --> 05:01:53,440 this change would not affect decks 7785 05:01:53,440 --> 05:01:55,200 attached to higher stories to elevated 7786 05:01:55,200 --> 05:01:57,040 beachfront residents or other structures 7787 05:01:57,040 --> 05:01:59,200 that legitimately require full 7788 05:01:59,200 --> 05:02:01,120 permitting and safety review. Those 7789 05:02:01,120 --> 05:02:03,440 protections would remain fully intact. 7790 05:02:03,440 --> 05:02:05,760 Directing this commission in this item 7791 05:02:05,760 --> 05:02:08,240 would be a small but meaningful reform. 7792 05:02:08,240 --> 05:02:10,240 One that aligns Malibu with state law 7793 05:02:10,240 --> 05:02:12,160 and reflects a shared commitment to 7794 05:02:12,160 --> 05:02:14,160 making everyday project simpler, 7795 05:02:14,160 --> 05:02:15,680 clearer, and more reasonable for the 7796 05:02:15,680 --> 05:02:18,080 residents. I urge you to correct this as 7797 05:02:18,080 --> 05:02:22,240 part of item 5A. Thank you. 7798 05:02:22,240 --> 05:02:24,400 So that can conclude [clears throat] our 7799 05:02:24,400 --> 05:02:29,190 public comment. Can we 7800 05:02:29,200 --> 05:02:30,958 » Yes, those are all the public speakers. 7801 05:02:30,958 --> 05:02:34,320 Okay. So, public comments closed. Any 7802 05:02:34,320 --> 05:02:36,320 comments by council? 7803 05:02:36,320 --> 05:02:38,868 >> I have a question. So, what Joe is 7804 05:02:38,868 --> 05:02:38,878 » I have a question. So, what Joe is 7805 05:02:38,878 --> 05:02:40,878 asking is what we just heard we couldn't 7806 05:02:40,878 --> 05:02:43,440 do, which is to change it. Is that what 7807 05:02:43,440 --> 05:02:44,878 I'm hearing? 7808 05:02:44,878 --> 05:02:45,750 >> I'm sorry. 7809 05:02:45,750 --> 05:02:45,760 » I'm sorry. 7810 05:02:45,760 --> 05:02:47,350 >> I have a 7811 05:02:47,350 --> 05:02:47,360 » I have a 7812 05:02:47,360 --> 05:02:51,110 >> I have a um a graphic. Oh. Uh and just 7813 05:02:51,110 --> 05:02:51,120 » I have a um a graphic. Oh. Uh and just 7814 05:02:51,120 --> 05:02:52,958 to make it clear and I have a copy of 7815 05:02:52,958 --> 05:02:54,958 the code in front of me from the 2025 7816 05:02:54,958 --> 05:02:57,600 code. Uh let me just show the council 7817 05:02:57,600 --> 05:03:00,560 that I have the actual code right here. 7818 05:03:00,560 --> 05:03:01,920 Everybody here, 7819 05:03:01,920 --> 05:03:02,470 >> thank you. 7820 05:03:02,470 --> 05:03:02,480 » thank you. 7821 05:03:02,480 --> 05:03:05,910 >> I have a copy of the sheet uh what uh 7822 05:03:05,910 --> 05:03:05,920 » I have a copy of the sheet uh what uh 7823 05:03:05,920 --> 05:03:09,200 section 105 what permits are exempted 7824 05:03:09,200 --> 05:03:12,080 and none of them uh uh at asking for 7825 05:03:12,080 --> 05:03:15,120 decks to be excluded or not permitted. 7826 05:03:15,120 --> 05:03:17,120 So we are staying within regulation and 7827 05:03:17,120 --> 05:03:19,200 I can pass this to councils to read it. 7828 05:03:19,200 --> 05:03:22,000 Uh in addition, I want to clarify that 7829 05:03:22,000 --> 05:03:25,520 uh permits uh are not required for decks 7830 05:03:25,520 --> 05:03:29,360 that are uh 30 in above. And so I put a 7831 05:03:29,360 --> 05:03:31,600 graphic together. What we're talking 7832 05:03:31,600 --> 05:03:35,360 right now uh on the situation of uh or 7833 05:03:35,360 --> 05:03:37,520 one of our residents is the foundation 7834 05:03:37,520 --> 05:03:40,080 system. Um it was a deepen foundation 7835 05:03:40,080 --> 05:03:42,160 cut into the hill with an unpermitting 7836 05:03:42,160 --> 05:03:44,718 grading. Uh and that trigger the uh 7837 05:03:44,718 --> 05:03:47,280 permit requirements. Uh, so just to 7838 05:03:47,280 --> 05:03:50,240 clarify that for council 7839 05:03:50,240 --> 05:03:51,110 >> Steve, go ahead. 7840 05:03:51,110 --> 05:03:51,120 » Steve, go ahead. 7841 05:03:51,120 --> 05:03:52,070 >> Yeah, 7842 05:03:52,070 --> 05:03:52,080 » Yeah, 7843 05:03:52,080 --> 05:03:53,590 >> I'll make I'll make a motion to approve 7844 05:03:53,590 --> 05:03:53,600 » I'll make I'll make a motion to approve 7845 05:03:53,600 --> 05:03:54,560 staff recommendation. 7846 05:03:54,560 --> 05:03:56,070 >> I'll second. 7847 05:03:56,070 --> 05:03:56,080 » I'll second. 7848 05:03:56,080 --> 05:03:57,670 >> I'd like to make a comment, 7849 05:03:57,670 --> 05:03:57,680 » I'd like to make a comment, 7850 05:03:57,680 --> 05:04:00,628 >> please. 7851 05:04:00,628 --> 05:04:00,638 » please. 7852 05:04:00,638 --> 05:04:02,150 >> I've been trying to understand some of 7853 05:04:02,150 --> 05:04:02,160 » I've been trying to understand some of 7854 05:04:02,160 --> 05:04:05,280 these things for years. We're told all 7855 05:04:05,280 --> 05:04:09,200 the time we don't have any discretion. 7856 05:04:09,200 --> 05:04:12,878 Um, I'm reading the report. 7857 05:04:12,878 --> 05:04:16,000 It expressly says page 204 after the 7858 05:04:16,000 --> 05:04:18,000 chart 7859 05:04:18,000 --> 05:04:20,798 um that 7860 05:04:20,798 --> 05:04:23,120 these these provisions apply to all 7861 05:04:23,120 --> 05:04:24,958 building occupancies throughout the 7862 05:04:24,958 --> 05:04:27,040 state whether or not adopted by a local 7863 05:04:27,040 --> 05:04:28,958 jurisdiction. 7864 05:04:28,958 --> 05:04:30,480 However, local governments will 7865 05:04:30,480 --> 05:04:32,718 typically pass ordinances adopting those 7866 05:04:32,718 --> 05:04:35,040 parts of the code by reference which 7867 05:04:35,040 --> 05:04:37,760 they seek to amend in accordance with 7868 05:04:37,760 --> 05:04:39,360 local conditions and to establish 7869 05:04:39,360 --> 05:04:41,600 administrative provisions. So they you 7870 05:04:41,600 --> 05:04:45,200 we says basically local governments tend 7871 05:04:45,200 --> 05:04:47,520 to affirmatively adopt these even though 7872 05:04:47,520 --> 05:04:50,000 they don't have to but they also might 7873 05:04:50,000 --> 05:04:53,120 seek to amend them. Uh and then says 7874 05:04:53,120 --> 05:04:56,000 local amendments must be specific to 7875 05:04:56,000 --> 05:04:58,798 each addition of the code. State law 7876 05:04:58,798 --> 05:05:00,878 requires amendments to the standards be 7877 05:05:00,878 --> 05:05:02,798 based on a governing body's express 7878 05:05:02,798 --> 05:05:04,878 findings that such modification is 7879 05:05:04,878 --> 05:05:07,360 necessary reasonably necessary because 7880 05:05:07,360 --> 05:05:09,520 of local clatic geological or 7881 05:05:09,520 --> 05:05:11,920 topographical conditions. So this says 7882 05:05:11,920 --> 05:05:14,320 very clearly we actually could if we 7883 05:05:14,320 --> 05:05:17,600 chose to and we had bases for doing so 7884 05:05:17,600 --> 05:05:19,200 make amendments even though this is the 7885 05:05:19,200 --> 05:05:21,920 state default law. 7886 05:05:21,920 --> 05:05:25,040 Um, we never study whether there are 7887 05:05:25,040 --> 05:05:27,440 things that we believe we ought to be 7888 05:05:27,440 --> 05:05:30,160 doing as exceptions to these rules cuz 7889 05:05:30,160 --> 05:05:31,520 we're told all the time that these are 7890 05:05:31,520 --> 05:05:34,160 the rules like them or take them like 7891 05:05:34,160 --> 05:05:37,040 them or not that we have to adopt. 7892 05:05:37,040 --> 05:05:38,400 Actually, we don't have to adopt them at 7893 05:05:38,400 --> 05:05:39,760 all. If we don't adopt them, they're the 7894 05:05:39,760 --> 05:05:41,920 law. And if we do adopt them, they're 7895 05:05:41,920 --> 05:05:43,840 also the law. And we also have the right 7896 05:05:43,840 --> 05:05:45,920 to change them if we have a basis for 7897 05:05:45,920 --> 05:05:48,240 doing so. But we've never once been told 7898 05:05:48,240 --> 05:05:50,958 what bases we could apply to make 7899 05:05:50,958 --> 05:05:53,600 changes if we if we did want to if we 7900 05:05:53,600 --> 05:05:54,878 did feel they were appropriate or 7901 05:05:54,878 --> 05:05:57,680 necessary. So, you know, I think I said 7902 05:05:57,680 --> 05:05:59,760 last time when we brought this up at 7903 05:05:59,760 --> 05:06:02,240 like midnight, we're doing this too 7904 05:06:02,240 --> 05:06:04,080 fast. I don't really understand enough 7905 05:06:04,080 --> 05:06:06,000 about it. We haven't had public input. 7906 05:06:06,000 --> 05:06:07,600 But, you know, it's not the case that 7907 05:06:07,600 --> 05:06:09,360 just because the state adopted it, we 7908 05:06:09,360 --> 05:06:11,440 have no choice but to adopt it. It says 7909 05:06:11,440 --> 05:06:13,360 here very clearly, we can make changes 7910 05:06:13,360 --> 05:06:14,718 if they're appropriate based on 7911 05:06:14,718 --> 05:06:16,958 appropriate findings, but I've never 7912 05:06:16,958 --> 05:06:19,040 been told what kinds of changes we might 7913 05:06:19,040 --> 05:06:21,120 be able to make and what findings we 7914 05:06:21,120 --> 05:06:22,878 would have to make to make them. 7915 05:06:22,878 --> 05:06:26,310 >> So, so Yolanda, can you explain? 7916 05:06:26,310 --> 05:06:26,320 » So, so Yolanda, can you explain? 7917 05:06:26,320 --> 05:06:30,628 >> Yes. And uh uh thank you. Um 7918 05:06:30,628 --> 05:06:30,638 » Yes. And uh uh thank you. Um 7919 05:06:30,638 --> 05:06:34,000 Mayor Prom, the if you read the 7920 05:06:34,000 --> 05:06:36,480 following ordinance, actually the 7921 05:06:36,480 --> 05:06:40,000 ordinance does have the amendments. Uh 7922 05:06:40,000 --> 05:06:43,760 in addition uh page 21 of the code 7923 05:06:43,760 --> 05:06:46,480 adoption findings, those are the 7924 05:06:46,480 --> 05:06:50,080 amendments down to the uh code and it 7925 05:06:50,080 --> 05:06:52,718 states if the decision the conditions 7926 05:06:52,718 --> 05:06:54,958 were administrated, climatic, 7927 05:06:54,958 --> 05:06:57,760 geological, geological, 7928 05:06:57,760 --> 05:07:00,878 uh administrative, topographical. Um so 7929 05:07:00,878 --> 05:07:03,920 we do we did provide amendments and this 7930 05:07:03,920 --> 05:07:07,600 is regular amendments due to the our 7931 05:07:07,600 --> 05:07:12,000 location. Uh so this document was uh 7932 05:07:12,000 --> 05:07:17,360 released uh for public uh uh for public 7933 05:07:17,360 --> 05:07:20,160 viewing. I remember uh the end of 7934 05:07:20,160 --> 05:07:22,958 November. Uh so 7935 05:07:22,958 --> 05:07:27,120 it has been a transparent document uh 7936 05:07:27,120 --> 05:07:31,360 for the past I will say uh close to 40 7937 05:07:31,360 --> 05:07:31,760 days. 7938 05:07:31,760 --> 05:07:33,590 >> I I appreciate that. So in the sense 7939 05:07:33,590 --> 05:07:33,600 » I I appreciate that. So in the sense 7940 05:07:33,600 --> 05:07:35,360 that it's been published. I mean, you 7941 05:07:35,360 --> 05:07:36,560 know, like when we did the housing 7942 05:07:36,560 --> 05:07:38,320 element, we would have somebody come 7943 05:07:38,320 --> 05:07:40,560 here and present to us all the things we 7944 05:07:40,560 --> 05:07:42,400 were doing, explain why we were doing 7945 05:07:42,400 --> 05:07:44,160 them, give us our options as to whether 7946 05:07:44,160 --> 05:07:48,480 we would do do other things. Um, 7947 05:07:48,480 --> 05:07:50,000 again, we, you know, we we have 7948 05:07:50,000 --> 05:07:52,878 different approaches to things up here. 7949 05:07:52,878 --> 05:07:56,400 Some some council members are of the 7950 05:07:56,400 --> 05:07:58,638 view that if the staff thinks something 7951 05:07:58,638 --> 05:08:00,480 makes sense and it's complicated and 7952 05:08:00,480 --> 05:08:02,480 technical, it gets presented and we and 7953 05:08:02,480 --> 05:08:06,718 we just approve it. Um, some like I I'm 7954 05:08:06,718 --> 05:08:08,798 one of them believe we should be fly 7955 05:08:08,798 --> 05:08:10,240 specking everything and making our own 7956 05:08:10,240 --> 05:08:11,920 decisions whether we think they make 7957 05:08:11,920 --> 05:08:14,320 sense or not and and then go forward and 7958 05:08:14,320 --> 05:08:15,680 others I guess have somewhere in 7959 05:08:15,680 --> 05:08:20,160 between. But um the process we follow, 7960 05:08:20,160 --> 05:08:21,840 you know, I I appreciate that these are 7961 05:08:21,840 --> 05:08:23,760 here and and I know you and others have 7962 05:08:23,760 --> 05:08:25,600 taken a lot of time to put it together, 7963 05:08:25,600 --> 05:08:27,520 but these aren't things we were 7964 05:08:27,520 --> 05:08:29,280 presented with. Why are we doing this 7965 05:08:29,280 --> 05:08:31,600 one? Does this one make sense? Are there 7966 05:08:31,600 --> 05:08:33,120 alternatives to what's being proposed 7967 05:08:33,120 --> 05:08:34,958 that we could be doing? Or is there more 7968 05:08:34,958 --> 05:08:36,480 than what we're being proposed we could 7969 05:08:36,480 --> 05:08:38,560 be doing? And it's because there's just 7970 05:08:38,560 --> 05:08:42,878 too much to do. I get that. Um, but I I 7971 05:08:42,878 --> 05:08:45,040 feel like a lot of these things are 7972 05:08:45,040 --> 05:08:47,280 presented to us as fay.com please 7973 05:08:47,280 --> 05:08:51,120 because we really don't have the basis 7974 05:08:51,120 --> 05:08:53,200 to make a decision to the contrary. So, 7975 05:08:53,200 --> 05:08:54,798 it's either take it or leave it. And 7976 05:08:54,798 --> 05:08:56,878 that's not a criticism so much as it's 7977 05:08:56,878 --> 05:08:59,360 an explanation of where we are. 7978 05:08:59,360 --> 05:09:01,520 Um, so that that's that's pretty much 7979 05:09:01,520 --> 05:09:04,958 why I abstained from this last time. And 7980 05:09:04,958 --> 05:09:07,280 just the process, the way this city 7981 05:09:07,280 --> 05:09:08,798 operates in general, and I'm sure other 7982 05:09:08,798 --> 05:09:11,760 cities operate like that, it it it 7983 05:09:11,760 --> 05:09:13,520 bothers me as someone who's used to 7984 05:09:13,520 --> 05:09:15,520 getting into the weeds and deciding 7985 05:09:15,520 --> 05:09:16,958 whether I think things make sense or 7986 05:09:16,958 --> 05:09:19,680 not. 7987 05:09:19,680 --> 05:09:22,070 >> Anybody else? Yolanda, I believe the the 7988 05:09:22,070 --> 05:09:22,080 » Anybody else? Yolanda, I believe the the 7989 05:09:22,080 --> 05:09:23,920 amendments that are proposed are done to 7990 05:09:23,920 --> 05:09:25,680 be consistent with the county and I 7991 05:09:25,680 --> 05:09:27,040 think the amendments are only allowed if 7992 05:09:27,040 --> 05:09:28,878 they're stricter than what's already 7993 05:09:28,878 --> 05:09:30,560 required by the 7994 05:09:30,560 --> 05:09:32,230 >> the state building code. 7995 05:09:32,230 --> 05:09:32,240 » the state building code. 7996 05:09:32,240 --> 05:09:35,350 >> That is correct. Uh the code cannot be 7997 05:09:35,350 --> 05:09:35,360 » That is correct. Uh the code cannot be 7998 05:09:35,360 --> 05:09:37,360 um those are minimum state uh 7999 05:09:37,360 --> 05:09:40,160 compliance. The only way that the city 8000 05:09:40,160 --> 05:09:41,680 can change it needs to be more 8001 05:09:41,680 --> 05:09:44,480 restrictive. Uh in order to uh propose 8002 05:09:44,480 --> 05:09:47,040 those amendments uh we need to make a 8003 05:09:47,040 --> 05:09:50,000 justification. In addition to that, uh, 8004 05:09:50,000 --> 05:09:54,160 as you stated, uh, Mayor Prom, um, yes, 8005 05:09:54,160 --> 05:09:57,120 uh, if the city didn't, uh, adopt any 8006 05:09:57,120 --> 05:10:00,718 codes, then automatically, uh, the 8007 05:10:00,718 --> 05:10:03,120 California code, uh, becomes our 8008 05:10:03,120 --> 05:10:04,000 building code. 8009 05:10:04,000 --> 05:10:05,350 >> Okay. So, so, 8010 05:10:05,350 --> 05:10:05,360 » Okay. So, so, 8011 05:10:05,360 --> 05:10:09,510 >> uh, let me just, let me just finish. Um, 8012 05:10:09,510 --> 05:10:09,520 » uh, let me just, let me just finish. Um, 8013 05:10:09,520 --> 05:10:12,080 uh, we did bring an urgency ordinance 8014 05:10:12,080 --> 05:10:15,680 because we usually adopt the county, um, 8015 05:10:15,680 --> 05:10:18,400 the county codes. Uh the state of 8016 05:10:18,400 --> 05:10:21,440 California requires that uh 30 days 8017 05:10:21,440 --> 05:10:24,160 after after the adoption 8018 05:10:24,160 --> 05:10:26,320 uh filing needs to be done through the 8019 05:10:26,320 --> 05:10:29,920 California state uh um building standard 8020 05:10:29,920 --> 05:10:33,040 commission uh so the city can be in uh 8021 05:10:33,040 --> 05:10:34,958 regulations and stay in compliance with 8022 05:10:34,958 --> 05:10:36,638 the building codes. 8023 05:10:36,638 --> 05:10:38,948 >> Well, wait a minute. So this the the 8024 05:10:38,948 --> 05:10:38,958 » Well, wait a minute. So this the the 8025 05:10:38,958 --> 05:10:40,560 report at least doesn't say that the 8026 05:10:40,560 --> 05:10:41,840 only kinds of amendments that are 8027 05:10:41,840 --> 05:10:44,320 permissible are more restrictive 8028 05:10:44,320 --> 05:10:47,040 amendments. I I can provide you a copy 8029 05:10:47,040 --> 05:10:52,240 of of of adoption of the of of the um of 8030 05:10:52,240 --> 05:10:54,400 of an ordinance and what it states that 8031 05:10:54,400 --> 05:10:55,760 it needs to be more resting. 8032 05:10:55,760 --> 05:10:58,150 >> You can so so there there's under no 8033 05:10:58,150 --> 05:10:58,160 » You can so so there there's under no 8034 05:10:58,160 --> 05:11:01,760 circumstance can a flex municipality 8035 05:11:01,760 --> 05:11:03,200 believe that there's a requirement 8036 05:11:03,200 --> 05:11:05,280 that's too stringent and relax it no 8037 05:11:05,280 --> 05:11:06,958 matter what findings they make. Okay, 8038 05:11:06,958 --> 05:11:08,480 that's that's what I was reading this to 8039 05:11:08,480 --> 05:11:10,000 mean. So if I if that's not what it 8040 05:11:10,000 --> 05:11:11,280 says, I take that back. 8041 05:11:11,280 --> 05:11:13,830 >> Yeah. and I I can provide a copy of uh 8042 05:11:13,830 --> 05:11:13,840 » Yeah. and I I can provide a copy of uh 8043 05:11:13,840 --> 05:11:16,798 state um documentation which uh will 8044 05:11:16,798 --> 05:11:18,480 give you more information on that. I 8045 05:11:18,480 --> 05:11:19,200 apologize. 8046 05:11:19,200 --> 05:11:21,590 >> That's okay. So So all the changes we're 8047 05:11:21,590 --> 05:11:21,600 » That's okay. So So all the changes we're 8048 05:11:21,600 --> 05:11:24,080 making then are making more stringent 8049 05:11:24,080 --> 05:11:26,400 the building code than would otherwise 8050 05:11:26,400 --> 05:11:28,560 be imposed upon us by the state. 8051 05:11:28,560 --> 05:11:29,510 >> That is correct. 8052 05:11:29,510 --> 05:11:29,520 » That is correct. 8053 05:11:29,520 --> 05:11:32,230 >> Okay. And but we but they're also they 8054 05:11:32,230 --> 05:11:32,240 » Okay. And but we but they're also they 8055 05:11:32,240 --> 05:11:34,160 have been proposed in the first instance 8056 05:11:34,160 --> 05:11:35,760 by the county is what you're saying. 8057 05:11:35,760 --> 05:11:38,000 They're not really our changes so much 8058 05:11:38,000 --> 05:11:39,600 as we're just adopting them. Some of 8059 05:11:39,600 --> 05:11:41,920 them are county and some of them are 8060 05:11:41,920 --> 05:11:45,360 specific to the city. An example 8061 05:11:45,360 --> 05:11:48,638 uh septic systems. Uh we have a plumbing 8062 05:11:48,638 --> 05:11:51,840 code that we follow. There's a a number 8063 05:11:51,840 --> 05:11:54,000 of plumbing fixtures that are allowed 8064 05:11:54,000 --> 05:12:00,240 per your um toilets and and lavatories 8065 05:12:00,240 --> 05:12:03,120 and um 8066 05:12:03,120 --> 05:12:05,680 so we were able to change that to give 8067 05:12:05,680 --> 05:12:08,798 credit uh to property owners that were 8068 05:12:08,798 --> 05:12:12,160 using lowflow toilets. So that was one 8069 05:12:12,160 --> 05:12:15,680 of the the changes that we so our 8070 05:12:15,680 --> 05:12:18,798 community can take advantage of of using 8071 05:12:18,798 --> 05:12:22,000 lowflow toilets and and have more 8072 05:12:22,000 --> 05:12:23,680 fixtures. 8073 05:12:23,680 --> 05:12:26,400 So that's just an example of of what was 8074 05:12:26,400 --> 05:12:28,320 included on the ordinance. 8075 05:12:28,320 --> 05:12:31,350 >> Okay. So let me ask this. I I this kind 8076 05:12:31,350 --> 05:12:31,360 » Okay. So let me ask this. I I this kind 8077 05:12:31,360 --> 05:12:32,958 of hearken back a little bit to the 8078 05:12:32,958 --> 05:12:34,560 conversation we had earlier about the 8079 05:12:34,560 --> 05:12:36,160 rebuilds, but I understand the new 8080 05:12:36,160 --> 05:12:37,600 code's not going to apply to rebuilds. 8081 05:12:37,600 --> 05:12:39,600 So this is not a specific issue with 8082 05:12:39,600 --> 05:12:44,718 them, but if we were operating in um you 8083 05:12:44,718 --> 05:12:46,958 know postwoolie where we didn't have a 8084 05:12:46,958 --> 05:12:49,120 governor's order saying the old code is 8085 05:12:49,120 --> 05:12:51,760 going to continue to apply then when we 8086 05:12:51,760 --> 05:12:55,280 adopt a new code which we add additional 8087 05:12:55,280 --> 05:12:58,160 more stringent requirements to wouldn't 8088 05:12:58,160 --> 05:13:00,320 we then be making it more difficult for 8089 05:13:00,320 --> 05:13:02,160 a rebuild than otherwise would have been 8090 05:13:02,160 --> 05:13:03,840 the case had we not adopted those 8091 05:13:03,840 --> 05:13:08,310 additional standards? 8092 05:13:08,320 --> 05:13:09,200 How do 8093 05:13:09,200 --> 05:13:11,670 >> do you follow my question? 8094 05:13:11,670 --> 05:13:11,680 » do you follow my question? 8095 05:13:11,680 --> 05:13:13,110 >> Trying to know where where where are we 8096 05:13:13,110 --> 05:13:13,120 » Trying to know where where where are we 8097 05:13:13,120 --> 05:13:16,240 going with the your question. 8098 05:13:16,240 --> 05:13:18,798 I mean the the the standard state code 8099 05:13:18,798 --> 05:13:23,600 would have been but the county codes 8100 05:13:23,600 --> 05:13:26,080 I think what I'm hearing is that he's 8101 05:13:26,080 --> 05:13:28,798 wondering that if we just defaulting on 8102 05:13:28,798 --> 05:13:30,878 what our 8103 05:13:30,878 --> 05:13:34,480 requirements are to by law we just 8104 05:13:34,480 --> 05:13:37,200 automatically the new code gets imposed 8105 05:13:37,200 --> 05:13:40,000 without the additional 8106 05:13:40,000 --> 05:13:41,840 um adoption that the county goes 8107 05:13:41,840 --> 05:13:42,718 through. 8108 05:13:42,718 --> 05:13:45,510 >> Mh. 8109 05:13:45,510 --> 05:13:45,520 » Mh. 8110 05:13:45,520 --> 05:13:48,798 Is it more stringent for the 8111 05:13:48,798 --> 05:13:50,230 >> What I'm hearing is every all these 8112 05:13:50,230 --> 05:13:50,240 » What I'm hearing is every all these 8113 05:13:50,240 --> 05:13:53,440 pages of of single space requirements 8114 05:13:53,440 --> 05:13:55,280 are things that we're adding as 8115 05:13:55,280 --> 05:13:58,240 additional burdens and you know as 8116 05:13:58,240 --> 05:14:00,560 everyone knows in the ordinary course of 8117 05:14:00,560 --> 05:14:03,440 new builds I'm perfectly fine with that. 8118 05:14:03,440 --> 05:14:06,160 Um, and we have fortunately in this 8119 05:14:06,160 --> 05:14:08,080 particular instance a governor's order 8120 05:14:08,080 --> 05:14:11,920 that says in the case of these rebuilds, 8121 05:14:11,920 --> 05:14:13,120 we're not going to impose these new 8122 05:14:13,120 --> 05:14:14,320 requirements. But actually, we are 8123 05:14:14,320 --> 05:14:16,718 imposing them on Woolseie, right? 8124 05:14:16,718 --> 05:14:18,798 Because we're we're saying that if you 8125 05:14:18,798 --> 05:14:20,878 had lost your home in a different fire, 8126 05:14:20,878 --> 05:14:22,480 we're going to adopt these more 8127 05:14:22,480 --> 05:14:23,840 stringent requirements than the state's 8128 05:14:23,840 --> 05:14:25,760 imposing on you. Well, if the 8129 05:14:25,760 --> 05:14:29,600 application uh came in um prior to the 8130 05:14:29,600 --> 05:14:32,160 new adoption of the code, we are not 8131 05:14:32,160 --> 05:14:34,718 imposing new. They're staying within the 8132 05:14:34,718 --> 05:14:36,718 within when the application was 8133 05:14:36,718 --> 05:14:37,520 submitted. 8134 05:14:37,520 --> 05:14:40,868 >> Right. But if but if tomorrow, 8135 05:14:40,868 --> 05:14:40,878 » Right. But if but if tomorrow, 8136 05:14:40,878 --> 05:14:43,840 6 months from now, one of the 40% of the 8137 05:14:43,840 --> 05:14:45,680 homes that still hasn't applied to be 8138 05:14:45,680 --> 05:14:47,520 rebuilt or whatever the percentage is, 8139 05:14:47,520 --> 05:14:49,440 they come in with a like forlike 8140 05:14:49,440 --> 05:14:53,040 rebuild. If we were not to adopt this, 8141 05:14:53,040 --> 05:14:54,878 then they'd be operating under a less 8142 05:14:54,878 --> 05:14:56,400 stringent code than the one that we're 8143 05:14:56,400 --> 05:14:58,878 being asked to adopt. Right. 8144 05:14:58,878 --> 05:15:00,470 >> We're talking for policy or for we'll 8145 05:15:00,470 --> 05:15:00,480 » We're talking for policy or for we'll 8146 05:15:00,480 --> 05:15:00,878 see. 8147 05:15:00,878 --> 05:15:01,830 >> Woolseie. 8148 05:15:01,830 --> 05:15:01,840 » Woolseie. 8149 05:15:01,840 --> 05:15:04,390 >> Yeah, we'll see. Well, Woolseie did not 8150 05:15:04,390 --> 05:15:04,400 » Yeah, we'll see. Well, Woolseie did not 8151 05:15:04,400 --> 05:15:06,080 follow the executive order, 8152 05:15:06,080 --> 05:15:06,550 >> right? So, 8153 05:15:06,550 --> 05:15:06,560 » right? So, 8154 05:15:06,560 --> 05:15:08,310 >> so we will have to comply with the new 8155 05:15:08,310 --> 05:15:08,320 » so we will have to comply with the new 8156 05:15:08,320 --> 05:15:09,200 codes. 8157 05:15:09,200 --> 05:15:11,270 >> So, would we would we have a way, for 8158 05:15:11,270 --> 05:15:11,280 » So, would we would we have a way, for 8159 05:15:11,280 --> 05:15:14,320 example, to say we're imposing these 8160 05:15:14,320 --> 05:15:15,920 additional more stringent requirements, 8161 05:15:15,920 --> 05:15:18,638 but not with respect to a casualty 8162 05:15:18,638 --> 05:15:21,360 rebuild? 8163 05:15:21,360 --> 05:15:23,840 So that when someone comes in with their 8164 05:15:23,840 --> 05:15:25,760 wooy rebuild three months from now. 8165 05:15:25,760 --> 05:15:27,590 >> So the building code is for safety and 8166 05:15:27,590 --> 05:15:27,600 » So the building code is for safety and 8167 05:15:27,600 --> 05:15:29,920 for resiliency, right? 8168 05:15:29,920 --> 05:15:33,270 >> Uh so uh 8169 05:15:33,270 --> 05:15:33,280 » Uh so uh 8170 05:15:33,280 --> 05:15:35,270 >> we are following the executive order 8171 05:15:35,270 --> 05:15:35,280 » we are following the executive order 8172 05:15:35,280 --> 05:15:37,360 from the state of California allowing 8173 05:15:37,360 --> 05:15:41,440 the 2023 code for the palace. Right. 8174 05:15:41,440 --> 05:15:44,150 >> There's nothing for wooly fire and it's 8175 05:15:44,150 --> 05:15:44,160 » There's nothing for wooly fire and it's 8176 05:15:44,160 --> 05:15:46,320 been more than seven years. Right. 8177 05:15:46,320 --> 05:15:49,270 >> Right. Uh so 8178 05:15:49,270 --> 05:15:49,280 » Right. Uh so 8179 05:15:49,280 --> 05:15:51,520 um 8180 05:15:51,520 --> 05:15:53,590 >> I'm forget forget whether we should or 8181 05:15:53,590 --> 05:15:53,600 » I'm forget forget whether we should or 8182 05:15:53,600 --> 05:15:54,878 shouldn't do it. I'm just asking 8183 05:15:54,878 --> 05:15:57,360 factually. Isn't it accurate that if we 8184 05:15:57,360 --> 05:16:00,958 adopt this then that means that when 8185 05:16:00,958 --> 05:16:03,600 someone comes in to rebuild a property 8186 05:16:03,600 --> 05:16:06,080 that was destroyed in a fire other than 8187 05:16:06,080 --> 05:16:08,080 the Palisades fire 8188 05:16:08,080 --> 05:16:10,470 >> and Franklin fire and broad fire. Yes. 8189 05:16:10,470 --> 05:16:10,480 » and Franklin fire and broad fire. Yes. 8190 05:16:10,480 --> 05:16:13,040 that we'll see fire will follow under or 8191 05:16:13,040 --> 05:16:15,360 any topanga fire that never they never 8192 05:16:15,360 --> 05:16:18,320 rebelled in 1993 and they decide to come 8193 05:16:18,320 --> 05:16:20,958 back tomorrow to submit an application. 8194 05:16:20,958 --> 05:16:23,510 >> Yeah. it will trigger the current code 8195 05:16:23,510 --> 05:16:23,520 » Yeah. it will trigger the current code 8196 05:16:23,520 --> 05:16:24,878 uh 2026 8197 05:16:24,878 --> 05:16:27,030 >> and and if there's a fire 6 months from 8198 05:16:27,030 --> 05:16:27,040 » and and if there's a fire 6 months from 8199 05:16:27,040 --> 05:16:31,440 now and 100 homes are lost and they 8200 05:16:31,440 --> 05:16:33,520 don't have an executive order to exempt 8201 05:16:33,520 --> 05:16:36,638 them from anything then the state code 8202 05:16:36,638 --> 05:16:38,240 if we didn't do anything which would 8203 05:16:38,240 --> 05:16:39,920 apply to them would be less stringent 8204 05:16:39,920 --> 05:16:41,680 than the code we're being asked to adopt 8205 05:16:41,680 --> 05:16:43,440 tonight. 8206 05:16:43,440 --> 05:16:44,868 >> They would need to comply with the 8207 05:16:44,868 --> 05:16:44,878 » They would need to comply with the 8208 05:16:44,878 --> 05:16:45,840 current code. 8209 05:16:45,840 --> 05:16:47,430 >> Right. But the state code that would be 8210 05:16:47,430 --> 05:16:47,440 » Right. But the state code that would be 8211 05:16:47,440 --> 05:16:49,440 the default if we don't do anything 8212 05:16:49,440 --> 05:16:51,360 would be less stringent than the one 8213 05:16:51,360 --> 05:16:52,480 we're adopting. 8214 05:16:52,480 --> 05:16:54,070 >> I guess I'm trying to understand your 8215 05:16:54,070 --> 05:16:54,080 » I guess I'm trying to understand your 8216 05:16:54,080 --> 05:16:56,240 question. You're trying to say uh let's 8217 05:16:56,240 --> 05:16:59,280 flex the code for any rebuilds uh that 8218 05:16:59,280 --> 05:17:02,320 happens. Um I I I mean I'm just trying 8219 05:17:02,320 --> 05:17:04,718 to understand where we're going on this 8220 05:17:04,718 --> 05:17:06,798 and I'm trying to give you the 8221 05:17:06,798 --> 05:17:09,120 information that you ask that you want 8222 05:17:09,120 --> 05:17:11,680 me to to give you. I I guess I'm I'm 8223 05:17:11,680 --> 05:17:13,600 just asking is it is it an accurate 8224 05:17:13,600 --> 05:17:16,400 statement that if a fire were to wipe 8225 05:17:16,400 --> 05:17:20,160 out a large number of homes in futurero, 8226 05:17:20,160 --> 05:17:23,520 you know, 3 months from now, and the 8227 05:17:23,520 --> 05:17:25,280 owners of those homes were to seek to 8228 05:17:25,280 --> 05:17:26,798 rebuild them like for like and they 8229 05:17:26,798 --> 05:17:28,240 don't have the benefit of an executive 8230 05:17:28,240 --> 05:17:32,400 order, then by adopting this tonight, we 8231 05:17:32,400 --> 05:17:34,480 would be creating a code that is more 8232 05:17:34,480 --> 05:17:36,080 stringent than the state code that would 8233 05:17:36,080 --> 05:17:37,760 otherwise apply by default to those 8234 05:17:37,760 --> 05:17:39,520 rebuilds. Is that accurate or 8235 05:17:39,520 --> 05:17:40,638 inaccurate? That's what I'm trying to 8236 05:17:40,638 --> 05:17:41,360 find out. 8237 05:17:41,360 --> 05:17:44,470 >> You will be I mean the the the code that 8238 05:17:44,470 --> 05:17:44,480 » You will be I mean the the the code that 8239 05:17:44,480 --> 05:17:46,560 you're adopting is more stringent than 8240 05:17:46,560 --> 05:17:48,240 the 2023 code. 8241 05:17:48,240 --> 05:17:49,750 >> No, but it's also more stringent than 8242 05:17:49,750 --> 05:17:49,760 » No, but it's also more stringent than 8243 05:17:49,760 --> 05:17:53,040 the 2025 code because we're adopting 8244 05:17:53,040 --> 05:17:55,520 various additional requirements to it. 8245 05:17:55,520 --> 05:17:56,150 >> Amendments, 8246 05:17:56,150 --> 05:17:56,160 » Amendments, 8247 05:17:56,160 --> 05:17:58,550 >> the amendments, the pages of amendments. 8248 05:17:58,550 --> 05:17:58,560 » the amendments, the pages of amendments. 8249 05:17:58,560 --> 05:18:03,120 But okay, the notwithstanding the chaos 8250 05:18:03,120 --> 05:18:05,600 that that would occur, you're really 8251 05:18:05,600 --> 05:18:09,040 going to create a an environment of 8252 05:18:09,040 --> 05:18:11,840 uncertainty because people aren't going 8253 05:18:11,840 --> 05:18:13,920 to know which ones staff's going to 8254 05:18:13,920 --> 05:18:16,400 have, okay, what date did this happen? 8255 05:18:16,400 --> 05:18:18,480 Which code do I get here? and the 8256 05:18:18,480 --> 05:18:22,638 consistency and the resale and yeah, 8257 05:18:22,638 --> 05:18:24,240 they're under the state code, but 8258 05:18:24,240 --> 05:18:26,718 they're not actually under the the 8259 05:18:26,718 --> 05:18:30,560 adopted code of the city. I mean, 8260 05:18:30,560 --> 05:18:32,788 >> what's the purpose of going down this 8261 05:18:32,788 --> 05:18:32,798 » what's the purpose of going down this 8262 05:18:32,798 --> 05:18:34,320 intellectual discussion? 8263 05:18:34,320 --> 05:18:36,310 >> And it's a it's also a layer that you're 8264 05:18:36,310 --> 05:18:36,320 » And it's a it's also a layer that you're 8265 05:18:36,320 --> 05:18:39,920 adding to it, right? Um, remember how we 8266 05:18:39,920 --> 05:18:43,200 say that you cannot the minimum codes 8267 05:18:43,200 --> 05:18:44,718 cannot be lowered down. 8268 05:18:44,718 --> 05:18:45,110 >> Mhm. 8269 05:18:45,110 --> 05:18:45,120 » Mhm. 8270 05:18:45,120 --> 05:18:49,590 >> Right. So, let's say Yeah. you um under 8271 05:18:49,590 --> 05:18:49,600 » Right. So, let's say Yeah. you um under 8272 05:18:49,600 --> 05:18:52,798 what justification, 8273 05:18:52,798 --> 05:18:54,400 climatic, 8274 05:18:54,400 --> 05:18:57,360 topographic or geographic 8275 05:18:57,360 --> 05:19:00,798 can we make an assumption that any 8276 05:19:00,798 --> 05:19:04,240 rebuilds, future rebuilds next year or 8277 05:19:04,240 --> 05:19:06,878 the following year do not need to comply 8278 05:19:06,878 --> 05:19:09,280 with this code? 8279 05:19:09,280 --> 05:19:12,320 I and I I guess I'm asking Trevor to 8280 05:19:12,320 --> 05:19:13,760 answer this question because I don't 8281 05:19:13,760 --> 05:19:18,240 know how to answer that question. Well, 8282 05:19:18,240 --> 05:19:19,360 Which question? 8283 05:19:19,360 --> 05:19:23,750 >> Um, a proposal of allowing fire 8284 05:19:23,750 --> 05:19:23,760 » Um, a proposal of allowing fire 8285 05:19:23,760 --> 05:19:26,000 rebuilds, future fire rebuilds not to 8286 05:19:26,000 --> 05:19:29,520 comply with this code and comply with 8287 05:19:29,520 --> 05:19:30,948 >> I I would think you would want to be 8288 05:19:30,948 --> 05:19:30,958 » I I would think you would want to be 8289 05:19:30,958 --> 05:19:32,320 careful. I mean, look at these are like, 8290 05:19:32,320 --> 05:19:34,080 you know, not allowing wood shake roofs. 8291 05:19:34,080 --> 05:19:36,080 I mean, do you really want to take that 8292 05:19:36,080 --> 05:19:37,760 out? I mean, is that something we want 8293 05:19:37,760 --> 05:19:40,560 to allow fire rebuilds to do? Um, if you 8294 05:19:40,560 --> 05:19:42,160 want to go and make adjustments to this, 8295 05:19:42,160 --> 05:19:44,958 I think, you know, suggest that we pass 8296 05:19:44,958 --> 05:19:46,958 the code tonight. So this the county 8297 05:19:46,958 --> 05:19:49,200 code provisions apply to everyone else 8298 05:19:49,200 --> 05:19:51,040 in the city. If you want to go look at 8299 05:19:51,040 --> 05:19:52,480 adjusting some of this, you know, 8300 05:19:52,480 --> 05:19:54,400 Yolanda can look into it if you want to 8301 05:19:54,400 --> 05:19:56,160 have more direction or or something 8302 05:19:56,160 --> 05:19:58,718 about particular um provisions of what 8303 05:19:58,718 --> 05:20:00,878 the county is adopted. There's also 8304 05:20:00,878 --> 05:20:01,200 concern 8305 05:20:01,200 --> 05:20:04,628 >> Mayor Pro's concern on fire rebuilds. Uh 8306 05:20:04,628 --> 05:20:04,638 » Mayor Pro's concern on fire rebuilds. Uh 8307 05:20:04,638 --> 05:20:07,040 if there's not an executive order, uh 8308 05:20:07,040 --> 05:20:08,240 what codes will trigger? 8309 05:20:08,240 --> 05:20:08,948 >> Yeah, let me ask. 8310 05:20:08,948 --> 05:20:08,958 » Yeah, let me ask. 8311 05:20:08,958 --> 05:20:10,470 >> Uh so that is the question. 8312 05:20:10,470 --> 05:20:10,480 » Uh so that is the question. 8313 05:20:10,480 --> 05:20:14,868 >> Let me ask this question. Um, 8314 05:20:14,868 --> 05:20:14,878 » Let me ask this question. Um, 8315 05:20:14,878 --> 05:20:17,840 are we able I mean, look, the we have a 8316 05:20:17,840 --> 05:20:19,440 state code. The state code presumably 8317 05:20:19,440 --> 05:20:22,240 has been combed over by very by 8318 05:20:22,240 --> 05:20:24,240 intelligent and and experienced people 8319 05:20:24,240 --> 05:20:26,000 and they've decided from a statewide 8320 05:20:26,000 --> 05:20:27,680 standpoint, this is the minimum standard 8321 05:20:27,680 --> 05:20:29,920 that makes sense. We have a county 8322 05:20:29,920 --> 05:20:32,718 that's gone further and adopted more 8323 05:20:32,718 --> 05:20:36,400 stringent requirements. Um, are we in a 8324 05:20:36,400 --> 05:20:38,638 position where we could adopt all the 8325 05:20:38,638 --> 05:20:41,520 county's amendments only with respect to 8326 05:20:41,520 --> 05:20:45,360 noncasualty rebuilds going forward so 8327 05:20:45,360 --> 05:20:48,400 that when there's another casualty, the 8328 05:20:48,400 --> 05:20:50,958 more less the less restrictive standards 8329 05:20:50,958 --> 05:20:53,760 of the state, which we have the right to 8330 05:20:53,760 --> 05:20:57,200 follow by themselves alone, would apply, 8331 05:20:57,200 --> 05:20:59,120 but we are nonetheless imposing the more 8332 05:20:59,120 --> 05:21:02,080 restrictive ones on new bills going 8333 05:21:02,080 --> 05:21:04,240 forward. So that that way when when when 8334 05:21:04,240 --> 05:21:05,600 someone loses their house and they come 8335 05:21:05,600 --> 05:21:08,400 to us and complain about item number 8336 05:21:08,400 --> 05:21:11,040 seven on this page that's imposing this 8337 05:21:11,040 --> 05:21:12,798 greater expense to them that they wish 8338 05:21:12,798 --> 05:21:16,240 they didn't have to um absorb 8339 05:21:16,240 --> 05:21:17,600 that they wouldn't have to they wouldn't 8340 05:21:17,600 --> 05:21:18,400 be able to make that argument because 8341 05:21:18,400 --> 05:21:20,320 we'd say no look all we did was go by 8342 05:21:20,320 --> 05:21:22,160 the minimum state standard. You have to 8343 05:21:22,160 --> 05:21:23,520 apply with you have to comply with the 8344 05:21:23,520 --> 05:21:27,040 state and we gave you a pass on 8345 05:21:27,040 --> 05:21:29,280 everything that we adopted that 8346 05:21:29,280 --> 05:21:32,240 otherwise applies to new bills. Are we 8347 05:21:32,240 --> 05:21:33,600 do we have the ability to make all of 8348 05:21:33,600 --> 05:21:36,160 these additions these exa these except 8349 05:21:36,160 --> 05:21:38,000 these amendments which are all more 8350 05:21:38,000 --> 05:21:40,160 stringent applicable only in the case of 8351 05:21:40,160 --> 05:21:44,080 a non-casualty rebuild 8352 05:21:44,080 --> 05:21:45,670 >> and then and then what happens in the 8353 05:21:45,670 --> 05:21:45,680 » and then and then what happens in the 8354 05:21:45,680 --> 05:21:47,920 casualty rebuild that adopts 8355 05:21:47,920 --> 05:21:50,310 >> they would be under the state minimum 8356 05:21:50,310 --> 05:21:50,320 » they would be under the state minimum 8357 05:21:50,320 --> 05:21:50,798 law 8358 05:21:50,798 --> 05:21:52,150 >> why would you want to do that you're 8359 05:21:52,150 --> 05:21:52,160 » why would you want to do that you're 8360 05:21:52,160 --> 05:21:55,040 creating a secondass structure 8361 05:21:55,040 --> 05:21:57,910 >> yeah you might want to adopt the modern 8362 05:21:57,910 --> 05:21:57,920 » yeah you might want to adopt the modern 8363 05:21:57,920 --> 05:21:59,760 you know all the studies that we're 8364 05:21:59,760 --> 05:22:03,280 doing with prior combustation and 8365 05:22:03,280 --> 05:22:04,708 >> why why is the county better than the 8366 05:22:04,708 --> 05:22:04,718 » why why is the county better than the 8367 05:22:04,718 --> 05:22:05,200 state? 8368 05:22:05,200 --> 05:22:06,070 >> Well, hold on a second. 8369 05:22:06,070 --> 05:22:06,080 » Well, hold on a second. 8370 05:22:06,080 --> 05:22:07,830 >> Because they're they're specialized to 8371 05:22:07,830 --> 05:22:07,840 » Because they're they're specialized to 8372 05:22:07,840 --> 05:22:09,760 our particular area and so they're 8373 05:22:09,760 --> 05:22:12,958 taking into account the special nature 8374 05:22:12,958 --> 05:22:15,920 that occurs within Los Angeles County. 8375 05:22:15,920 --> 05:22:18,470 >> It's also it aids I think by all the 8376 05:22:18,470 --> 05:22:18,480 » It's also it aids I think by all the 8377 05:22:18,480 --> 05:22:20,718 cities do it is so that contractors are 8378 05:22:20,718 --> 05:22:22,080 familiar with the county code and the 8379 05:22:22,080 --> 05:22:24,320 county building codes and then they can 8380 05:22:24,320 --> 05:22:26,958 you know apply it the same throughout. 8381 05:22:26,958 --> 05:22:28,958 Um, 8382 05:22:28,958 --> 05:22:30,718 I would want to look closely if this is 8383 05:22:30,718 --> 05:22:32,798 something you want to explore making a 8384 05:22:32,798 --> 05:22:36,560 carveout for for uh, you know, fire 8385 05:22:36,560 --> 05:22:39,280 rebuilds. Um, for other ones, we could 8386 05:22:39,280 --> 05:22:40,638 take a look into it. I wouldn't want to 8387 05:22:40,638 --> 05:22:42,958 just on the fly put that through. And I 8388 05:22:42,958 --> 05:22:46,480 know Y has concerns about you cannot 8389 05:22:46,480 --> 05:22:50,160 divide. I mean the statement on on 8390 05:22:50,160 --> 05:22:53,600 chapter one state this applies to every 8391 05:22:53,600 --> 05:22:57,280 single new construction even even if 8392 05:22:57,280 --> 05:23:00,000 it's a fire rebuilt it will be 8393 05:23:00,000 --> 05:23:02,560 considered under the building code as a 8394 05:23:02,560 --> 05:23:06,480 minimum minimum for safety 8395 05:23:06,480 --> 05:23:10,798 for resiliency for safety of our city. 8396 05:23:10,798 --> 05:23:15,040 You cannot divide. Okay. I wanna do 8397 05:23:15,040 --> 05:23:17,360 uh one portion of the population I will 8398 05:23:17,360 --> 05:23:19,440 do on one code and one portion of the 8399 05:23:19,440 --> 05:23:21,040 other population I will do in another 8400 05:23:21,040 --> 05:23:21,600 code. 8401 05:23:21,600 --> 05:23:22,070 >> Yeah. 8402 05:23:22,070 --> 05:23:22,080 » Yeah. 8403 05:23:22,080 --> 05:23:24,628 >> We will be against against the state 8404 05:23:24,628 --> 05:23:24,638 » We will be against against the state 8405 05:23:24,638 --> 05:23:25,280 law. 8406 05:23:25,280 --> 05:23:26,948 >> Well, we're No, no. Well, first of all, 8407 05:23:26,948 --> 05:23:26,958 » Well, we're No, no. Well, first of all, 8408 05:23:26,958 --> 05:23:28,480 we're doing exactly that right now 8409 05:23:28,480 --> 05:23:30,080 pursuant to the executive order. We're 8410 05:23:30,080 --> 05:23:31,920 applying an older law which 8411 05:23:31,920 --> 05:23:33,830 >> because the governor has put that 8412 05:23:33,830 --> 05:23:33,840 » because the governor has put that 8413 05:23:33,840 --> 05:23:35,840 exception, not because the city of 8414 05:23:35,840 --> 05:23:37,600 Malibu decided that 8415 05:23:37,600 --> 05:23:39,110 >> I I get that. But you said it would be 8416 05:23:39,110 --> 05:23:39,120 » I I get that. But you said it would be 8417 05:23:39,120 --> 05:23:40,400 against state law. I'm saying no 8418 05:23:40,400 --> 05:23:41,840 wouldn't let's adopt the state let's 8419 05:23:41,840 --> 05:23:43,920 leave let's let's adopt the state law 8420 05:23:43,920 --> 05:23:46,400 for for all for everybody and then let's 8421 05:23:46,400 --> 05:23:49,120 also adopt more stringent ones for new 8422 05:23:49,120 --> 05:23:51,440 builds that that isn't saying that if 8423 05:23:51,440 --> 05:23:52,718 you have a fire rebuild you're going to 8424 05:23:52,718 --> 05:23:56,160 get a less stringent than the state law 8425 05:23:56,160 --> 05:23:57,510 >> but you're going to get a less stringent 8426 05:23:57,510 --> 05:23:57,520 » but you're going to get a less stringent 8427 05:23:57,520 --> 05:23:58,638 than the county law 8428 05:23:58,638 --> 05:23:59,750 >> yeah that's right so it's not 8429 05:23:59,750 --> 05:23:59,760 » yeah that's right so it's not 8430 05:23:59,760 --> 05:24:01,510 >> which we have the right to do 8431 05:24:01,510 --> 05:24:01,520 » which we have the right to do 8432 05:24:01,520 --> 05:24:04,390 >> okay um I think people want modern 8433 05:24:04,390 --> 05:24:04,400 » okay um I think people want modern 8434 05:24:04,400 --> 05:24:05,040 building 8435 05:24:05,040 --> 05:24:05,590 >> okay 8436 05:24:05,590 --> 05:24:05,600 » okay 8437 05:24:05,600 --> 05:24:08,788 >> and from staff perspective you're 8438 05:24:08,788 --> 05:24:08,798 » and from staff perspective you're 8439 05:24:08,798 --> 05:24:09,750 >> you 8440 05:24:09,750 --> 05:24:09,760 » you 8441 05:24:09,760 --> 05:24:11,280 And Bruce, let me let me give you 8442 05:24:11,280 --> 05:24:12,878 another example. I just picked up one 8443 05:24:12,878 --> 05:24:16,480 page here and it's page 15, a top item. 8444 05:24:16,480 --> 05:24:18,240 It says you got to have sheer walls 8445 05:24:18,240 --> 05:24:21,600 because we're in a high seismic zone. I 8446 05:24:21,600 --> 05:24:24,000 mean, to leave that out would be 8447 05:24:24,000 --> 05:24:24,798 suicidal, 8448 05:24:24,798 --> 05:24:26,310 >> but it is out with respect to all the 8449 05:24:26,310 --> 05:24:26,320 » but it is out with respect to all the 8450 05:24:26,320 --> 05:24:27,680 rebuilds from Pelit. 8451 05:24:27,680 --> 05:24:30,150 >> No, it's in it's in the prior one. A lot 8452 05:24:30,150 --> 05:24:30,160 » No, it's in it's in the prior one. A lot 8453 05:24:30,160 --> 05:24:31,920 of this is continuation of what was in 8454 05:24:31,920 --> 05:24:35,440 the prior years. It's things like the 8455 05:24:35,440 --> 05:24:39,200 solar panels uh that are required in 20 8456 05:24:39,200 --> 05:24:42,638 26 or whatever this new one 8457 05:24:42,638 --> 05:24:45,600 because we're in the in the 23 zone. You 8458 05:24:45,600 --> 05:24:49,200 don't have to do that. All I'm saying is 8459 05:24:49,200 --> 05:24:50,798 understand that all these conditions 8460 05:24:50,798 --> 05:24:52,480 that are in here, a lot of them, in 8461 05:24:52,480 --> 05:24:54,160 fact, I think most of them are 8462 05:24:54,160 --> 05:24:55,600 continuations of the ones that were 8463 05:24:55,600 --> 05:24:58,080 there before. So, it's 8464 05:24:58,080 --> 05:25:00,150 >> okay. I understand. 8465 05:25:00,150 --> 05:25:00,160 » okay. I understand. 8466 05:25:00,160 --> 05:25:01,510 >> Okay. So, we'll call the question. We 8467 05:25:01,510 --> 05:25:01,520 » Okay. So, we'll call the question. We 8468 05:25:01,520 --> 05:25:03,840 have a first and we have a second. Do we 8469 05:25:03,840 --> 05:25:06,638 want to do a roll call or 8470 05:25:06,638 --> 05:25:08,150 >> I just the motion was staff's 8471 05:25:08,150 --> 05:25:08,160 » I just the motion was staff's 8472 05:25:08,160 --> 05:25:09,360 recommendation? 8473 05:25:09,360 --> 05:25:10,150 >> Yes. 8474 05:25:10,150 --> 05:25:10,160 » Yes. 8475 05:25:10,160 --> 05:25:11,590 >> And city attorney, did you want to read 8476 05:25:11,590 --> 05:25:11,600 » And city attorney, did you want to read 8477 05:25:11,600 --> 05:25:12,958 the title of the ordinance? 8478 05:25:12,958 --> 05:25:14,868 >> Well, I read it at the last one, so I 8479 05:25:14,868 --> 05:25:14,878 » Well, I read it at the last one, so I 8480 05:25:14,878 --> 05:25:16,480 don't need to repeat it second time 8481 05:25:16,480 --> 05:25:20,948 unless you really want me to. 8482 05:25:20,958 --> 05:25:23,200 » You want to roll call? 8483 05:25:23,200 --> 05:25:24,470 >> All in favor? 8484 05:25:24,470 --> 05:25:24,480 » All in favor? 8485 05:25:24,480 --> 05:25:24,948 >> I. 8486 05:25:24,948 --> 05:25:24,958 » I. 8487 05:25:24,958 --> 05:25:26,708 >> Those opposed? 8488 05:25:26,708 --> 05:25:26,718 » Those opposed? 8489 05:25:26,718 --> 05:25:29,430 >> None. Abstain. 8490 05:25:29,430 --> 05:25:29,440 » None. Abstain. 8491 05:25:29,440 --> 05:25:32,480 You said I. I'm sorry I didn't hear you. 8492 05:25:32,480 --> 05:25:36,798 Okay. Um, it's after 10:30. 8493 05:25:36,798 --> 05:25:39,360 Do I want to hear a motion to hear item 8494 05:25:39,360 --> 05:25:40,560 6A? 8495 05:25:40,560 --> 05:25:42,788 >> I'll make a motion. I hear item 6A. 8496 05:25:42,788 --> 05:25:42,798 » I'll make a motion. I hear item 6A. 8497 05:25:42,798 --> 05:25:43,750 >> I'll second. 8498 05:25:43,750 --> 05:25:43,760 » I'll second. 8499 05:25:43,760 --> 05:25:44,788 >> All in favor? 8500 05:25:44,788 --> 05:25:44,798 » All in favor? 8501 05:25:44,798 --> 05:25:45,190 >> I. 8502 05:25:45,190 --> 05:25:45,200 » I. 8503 05:25:45,200 --> 05:25:46,708 >> I. 8504 05:25:46,708 --> 05:25:46,718 » I. 8505 05:25:46,718 --> 05:25:50,070 >> Okay. It's about our um fire rebuild 8506 05:25:50,070 --> 05:25:50,080 » Okay. It's about our um fire rebuild 8507 05:25:50,080 --> 05:25:52,958 ambassador. 8508 05:25:52,958 --> 05:25:54,798 We want a staff report. 8509 05:25:54,798 --> 05:25:55,990 >> No. 8510 05:25:55,990 --> 05:25:56,000 » No. 8511 05:25:56,000 --> 05:25:59,510 >> Okay. Do we have any public comment? 8512 05:25:59,510 --> 05:25:59,520 » Okay. Do we have any public comment? 8513 05:25:59,520 --> 05:26:01,360 No, we don't have any speaker slips or 8514 05:26:01,360 --> 05:26:03,920 raise hands on Zoom for item 6A. 8515 05:26:03,920 --> 05:26:05,990 >> Okay, so we're back up here at the 8516 05:26:05,990 --> 05:26:06,000 » Okay, so we're back up here at the 8517 05:26:06,000 --> 05:26:06,798 council. 8518 05:26:06,798 --> 05:26:08,948 >> I asked months ago if we could put this 8519 05:26:08,948 --> 05:26:08,958 » I asked months ago if we could put this 8520 05:26:08,958 --> 05:26:11,360 on the agenda to discuss it. And in 8521 05:26:11,360 --> 05:26:13,600 light of the fact that we are now months 8522 05:26:13,600 --> 05:26:16,320 later and things are operating the way 8523 05:26:16,320 --> 05:26:18,000 they are now, I would just withdraw the 8524 05:26:18,000 --> 05:26:21,990 the request. 8525 05:26:22,000 --> 05:26:22,878 » Okay. 8526 05:26:22,878 --> 05:26:25,430 >> So, where does that leave us? that we're 8527 05:26:25,430 --> 05:26:25,440 » So, where does that leave us? that we're 8528 05:26:25,440 --> 05:26:26,878 not going to go we're going to continue 8529 05:26:26,878 --> 05:26:28,798 without a fire rebuild ambassador and 8530 05:26:28,798 --> 05:26:31,360 this is going to conclude. 8531 05:26:31,360 --> 05:26:32,788 >> I think this is like the official 8532 05:26:32,788 --> 05:26:32,798 » I think this is like the official 8533 05:26:32,798 --> 05:26:35,440 termination that we lacked prior and 8534 05:26:35,440 --> 05:26:37,360 this closes that chapter. 8535 05:26:37,360 --> 05:26:40,230 >> So do we need to do a motion on this or 8536 05:26:40,230 --> 05:26:40,240 » So do we need to do a motion on this or 8537 05:26:40,240 --> 05:26:43,040 is it a withdrawn request and 8538 05:26:43,040 --> 05:26:44,788 >> just withdraw it? 8539 05:26:44,788 --> 05:26:44,798 » just withdraw it? 8540 05:26:44,798 --> 05:26:47,190 >> Well, but does that satisfy the 8541 05:26:47,190 --> 05:26:47,200 » Well, but does that satisfy the 8542 05:26:47,200 --> 05:26:49,920 requirement of the original 8543 05:26:49,920 --> 05:26:50,878 resolution? 8544 05:26:50,878 --> 05:26:52,948 >> It already expired. Yeah, I think it 8545 05:26:52,948 --> 05:26:52,958 » It already expired. Yeah, I think it 8546 05:26:52,958 --> 05:26:56,240 that the ambassador already expired and 8547 05:26:56,240 --> 05:26:59,120 uh the ambassador did resign as well. I 8548 05:26:59,120 --> 05:27:01,520 think this was bringing back a report um 8549 05:27:01,520 --> 05:27:03,360 that the council had wanted before that 8550 05:27:03,360 --> 05:27:05,200 had taken place and it was didn't happen 8551 05:27:05,200 --> 05:27:07,200 and so now the report's gone through. If 8552 05:27:07,200 --> 05:27:09,120 the council wants to reimplement it or 8553 05:27:09,120 --> 05:27:10,320 put it in, but if they want to take no 8554 05:27:10,320 --> 05:27:11,600 action, I don't think anything is 8555 05:27:11,600 --> 05:27:13,360 required here tonight. Kelsey, correct 8556 05:27:13,360 --> 05:27:14,480 me if I'm wrong. 8557 05:27:14,480 --> 05:27:15,750 >> That's correct. You don't have to take 8558 05:27:15,750 --> 05:27:15,760 » That's correct. You don't have to take 8559 05:27:15,760 --> 05:27:17,600 an action. And if you'd like, you can 8560 05:27:17,600 --> 05:27:19,520 make a motion to determine that you will 8561 05:27:19,520 --> 05:27:21,360 not move forward with the position, but 8562 05:27:21,360 --> 05:27:24,638 the resolution did expire. So there is 8563 05:27:24,638 --> 05:27:25,280 position currently. 8564 05:27:25,280 --> 05:27:27,270 >> That's my motion. What you just said? 8565 05:27:27,270 --> 05:27:27,280 » That's my motion. What you just said? 8566 05:27:27,280 --> 05:27:28,310 >> Is there a second? 8567 05:27:28,310 --> 05:27:28,320 » Is there a second? 8568 05:27:28,320 --> 05:27:29,270 >> I'll second. 8569 05:27:29,270 --> 05:27:29,280 » I'll second. 8570 05:27:29,280 --> 05:27:31,990 >> All in favor? I 8571 05:27:31,990 --> 05:27:32,000 » All in favor? I 8572 05:27:32,000 --> 05:27:33,510 >> Okay. 8573 05:27:33,510 --> 05:27:33,520 » Okay. 8574 05:27:33,520 --> 05:27:36,400 I hear to hear item 6B. 8575 05:27:36,400 --> 05:27:38,310 >> I'll make a motion to hear item 6B. 8576 05:27:38,310 --> 05:27:38,320 » I'll make a motion to hear item 6B. 8577 05:27:38,320 --> 05:27:39,110 >> A second. 8578 05:27:39,110 --> 05:27:39,120 » A second. 8579 05:27:39,120 --> 05:27:41,110 >> All in favor? I I 8580 05:27:41,110 --> 05:27:41,120 » All in favor? I I 8581 05:27:41,120 --> 05:27:42,948 >> Okay. Can we have a staff report, 8582 05:27:42,948 --> 05:27:42,958 » Okay. Can we have a staff report, 8583 05:27:42,958 --> 05:27:46,470 please, on 6B? 8584 05:27:46,480 --> 05:27:49,600 This is receive and file, right? 8585 05:27:49,600 --> 05:27:51,030 >> Um, 8586 05:27:51,030 --> 05:27:51,040 » Um, 8587 05:27:51,040 --> 05:27:55,430 >> yeah, 8588 05:27:55,440 --> 05:27:59,920 » if I may, Madame Mayor, this this 8589 05:27:59,920 --> 05:28:02,718 presentation may generate considerable 8590 05:28:02,718 --> 05:28:04,638 discussion. 8591 05:28:04,638 --> 05:28:06,150 >> Um, 8592 05:28:06,150 --> 05:28:06,160 » Um, 8593 05:28:06,160 --> 05:28:08,400 there's already been significant 8594 05:28:08,400 --> 05:28:11,840 discussion that's ensued this evening. 8595 05:28:11,840 --> 05:28:14,558 Uh we don't have anything urgent 8596 05:28:14,558 --> 05:28:16,638 requiring the council provide direction 8597 05:28:16,638 --> 05:28:19,600 on this this evening. Um if we were to 8598 05:28:19,600 --> 05:28:21,120 continue it to the next available 8599 05:28:21,120 --> 05:28:22,638 meeting 8600 05:28:22,638 --> 05:28:26,320 um that would still be consistent with 8601 05:28:26,320 --> 05:28:29,680 what stat staff would need to fulfill 8602 05:28:29,680 --> 05:28:32,000 the uh intent of the council going 8603 05:28:32,000 --> 05:28:32,878 forward. 8604 05:28:32,878 --> 05:28:34,708 >> I'll make a motion to agree with what he 8605 05:28:34,708 --> 05:28:34,718 » I'll make a motion to agree with what he 8606 05:28:34,718 --> 05:28:35,680 just said. 8607 05:28:35,680 --> 05:28:37,270 >> Well Trevor, since we already started 8608 05:28:37,270 --> 05:28:37,280 » Well Trevor, since we already started 8609 05:28:37,280 --> 05:28:38,480 the hearing, do we have to hear the 8610 05:28:38,480 --> 05:28:39,040 public comment? 8611 05:28:39,040 --> 05:28:40,708 >> We haven't substantively done anything. 8612 05:28:40,708 --> 05:28:40,718 » We haven't substantively done anything. 8613 05:28:40,718 --> 05:28:43,120 So, if you want to move to continue the 8614 05:28:43,120 --> 05:28:44,480 item, you could. Do we have any public 8615 05:28:44,480 --> 05:28:45,680 speakers on it, Kelsey? 8616 05:28:45,680 --> 05:28:46,150 >> One. 8617 05:28:46,150 --> 05:28:46,160 » One. 8618 05:28:46,160 --> 05:28:48,470 >> Yes, we have one speaker slip, but no 8619 05:28:48,470 --> 05:28:48,480 » Yes, we have one speaker slip, but no 8620 05:28:48,480 --> 05:28:49,120 raised hands. 8621 05:28:49,120 --> 05:28:51,750 >> I I would recommend that you let him 8622 05:28:51,750 --> 05:28:51,760 » I I would recommend that you let him 8623 05:28:51,760 --> 05:28:52,080 speak 8624 05:28:52,080 --> 05:28:52,868 >> since he's waited. 8625 05:28:52,868 --> 05:28:52,878 » since he's waited. 8626 05:28:52,878 --> 05:28:54,230 >> He's waited a [clears throat] long time. 8627 05:28:54,230 --> 05:28:54,240 » He's waited a [clears throat] long time. 8628 05:28:54,240 --> 05:28:55,680 You don't have to. You could continue 8629 05:28:55,680 --> 05:28:57,280 it, but [cough] 8630 05:28:57,280 --> 05:28:58,548 >> doesn't make sense to hear the public 8631 05:28:58,548 --> 05:28:58,558 » doesn't make sense to hear the public 8632 05:28:58,558 --> 05:29:00,080 speaker and then 8633 05:29:00,080 --> 05:29:04,310 >> Mr. 8634 05:29:04,320 --> 05:29:05,440 Thank you. 8635 05:29:05,440 --> 05:29:06,788 >> So, do you understand we're going to 8636 05:29:06,788 --> 05:29:06,798 » So, do you understand we're going to 8637 05:29:06,798 --> 05:29:08,240 actually we're going to have hear your 8638 05:29:08,240 --> 05:29:09,600 public comment, but 8639 05:29:09,600 --> 05:29:11,030 >> we're going to bring this back in the 8640 05:29:11,030 --> 05:29:11,040 » we're going to bring this back in the 8641 05:29:11,040 --> 05:29:11,760 future and 8642 05:29:11,760 --> 05:29:12,390 >> Thank you. 8643 05:29:12,390 --> 05:29:12,400 » Thank you. 8644 05:29:12,400 --> 05:29:14,948 >> restarted. So, but we want you to hear 8645 05:29:14,948 --> 05:29:14,958 » restarted. So, but we want you to hear 8646 05:29:14,958 --> 05:29:15,360 what you 8647 05:29:15,360 --> 05:29:16,708 >> Good evening, 8648 05:29:16,708 --> 05:29:16,718 » Good evening, 8649 05:29:16,718 --> 05:29:19,270 >> council member, mayor. 8650 05:29:19,270 --> 05:29:19,280 » council member, mayor. 8651 05:29:19,280 --> 05:29:21,750 >> I'm representing an American Polo 8652 05:29:21,750 --> 05:29:21,760 » I'm representing an American Polo 8653 05:29:21,760 --> 05:29:24,160 Federation. I want to bring to the city 8654 05:29:24,160 --> 05:29:27,520 of Malibu a big sport elite that is 8655 05:29:27,520 --> 05:29:31,440 Polo. I'm working with Pacific Palis to 8656 05:29:31,440 --> 05:29:35,600 see where we can fill we can find a land 8657 05:29:35,600 --> 05:29:39,760 to do this sport and one of the thing 8658 05:29:39,760 --> 05:29:43,760 what we we need to bring is fund for the 8659 05:29:43,760 --> 05:29:47,920 victims victims for the fire and we want 8660 05:29:47,920 --> 05:29:51,280 to open a school for 8661 05:29:51,280 --> 05:29:56,718 eotherapy for um adults and and kids 8662 05:29:56,718 --> 05:30:00,878 with disabilities. is um so the other 8663 05:30:00,878 --> 05:30:03,760 thing that we I'm from Argentina so I 8664 05:30:03,760 --> 05:30:06,000 hope you understand 8665 05:30:06,000 --> 05:30:09,350 >> um I want to bring a tournament the most 8666 05:30:09,350 --> 05:30:09,360 » um I want to bring a tournament the most 8667 05:30:09,360 --> 05:30:13,120 important that was made in Monteito 8668 05:30:13,120 --> 05:30:16,878 Santa Barbara Palm Beach Wellington I 8669 05:30:16,878 --> 05:30:19,520 think is will be very important for the 8670 05:30:19,520 --> 05:30:22,000 city of Malibu to have a big tournament 8671 05:30:22,000 --> 05:30:24,638 here 8672 05:30:24,638 --> 05:30:27,440 so I'm looking for a 8673 05:30:27,440 --> 05:30:33,590 to build two fields of polo. 8674 05:30:33,600 --> 05:30:36,080 » Um, if I can ask a qu, how much land do 8675 05:30:36,080 --> 05:30:37,280 you need? 8676 05:30:37,280 --> 05:30:40,708 >> Uh, for two field of polo is about 200 8677 05:30:40,708 --> 05:30:40,718 » Uh, for two field of polo is about 200 8678 05:30:40,718 --> 05:30:46,480 by 150 m. 200 m by 150 m. 8679 05:30:46,480 --> 05:30:47,030 >> Large. 8680 05:30:47,030 --> 05:30:47,040 » Large. 8681 05:30:47,040 --> 05:30:49,190 >> Yes, it's very large. 8682 05:30:49,190 --> 05:30:49,200 » Yes, it's very large. 8683 05:30:49,200 --> 05:30:51,270 >> You're talking about horses. Horse horse 8684 05:30:51,270 --> 05:30:51,280 » You're talking about horses. Horse horse 8685 05:30:51,280 --> 05:30:52,080 polo. 8686 05:30:52,080 --> 05:30:54,708 >> Yes. Yeah. We want to teach polo. We 8687 05:30:54,708 --> 05:30:54,718 » Yes. Yeah. We want to teach polo. We 8688 05:30:54,718 --> 05:30:56,558 want to bring 8689 05:30:56,558 --> 05:30:59,600 college you know to practice. So it's a 8690 05:30:59,600 --> 05:31:00,480 lot 8691 05:31:00,480 --> 05:31:02,788 >> involvement of polo. 8692 05:31:02,788 --> 05:31:02,798 » involvement of polo. 8693 05:31:02,798 --> 05:31:04,948 >> So if somebody 8694 05:31:04,948 --> 05:31:04,958 » So if somebody 8695 05:31:04,958 --> 05:31:08,320 math to me what does that three and so 8696 05:31:08,320 --> 05:31:11,360 it's like 200 becomes like 600 ft. 8697 05:31:11,360 --> 05:31:11,910 >> Okay. 8698 05:31:11,910 --> 05:31:11,920 » Okay. 8699 05:31:11,920 --> 05:31:14,390 >> And but that doesn't include the stables 8700 05:31:14,390 --> 05:31:14,400 » And but that doesn't include the stables 8701 05:31:14,400 --> 05:31:16,638 and the viewing area and so forth, 8702 05:31:16,638 --> 05:31:19,190 >> right? Because it's so a polar field I 8703 05:31:19,190 --> 05:31:19,200 » right? Because it's so a polar field I 8704 05:31:19,200 --> 05:31:21,840 think is like a football field. 8705 05:31:21,840 --> 05:31:22,868 >> Pretty big. 8706 05:31:22,868 --> 05:31:22,878 » Pretty big. 8707 05:31:22,878 --> 05:31:24,470 >> Pretty pretty big. And it has to be 8708 05:31:24,470 --> 05:31:24,480 » Pretty pretty big. And it has to be 8709 05:31:24,480 --> 05:31:25,680 grass. 8710 05:31:25,680 --> 05:31:26,708 >> Yes, we 8711 05:31:26,708 --> 05:31:26,718 » Yes, we 8712 05:31:26,718 --> 05:31:29,030 >> How many horses are you talking for two 8713 05:31:29,030 --> 05:31:29,040 » How many horses are you talking for two 8714 05:31:29,040 --> 05:31:29,840 teams? 8715 05:31:29,840 --> 05:31:34,230 >> Um 32 horses. 8716 05:31:34,230 --> 05:31:34,240 » Um 32 horses. 8717 05:31:34,240 --> 05:31:36,628 >> The other thing is um 8718 05:31:36,628 --> 05:31:36,638 » The other thing is um 8719 05:31:36,638 --> 05:31:40,230 >> we want to build an arena so to do a 8720 05:31:40,230 --> 05:31:40,240 » we want to build an arena so to do a 8721 05:31:40,240 --> 05:31:42,638 tournament, you know, Burbank they did a 8722 05:31:42,638 --> 05:31:48,400 tournament and was very good. So 8723 05:31:48,400 --> 05:31:49,750 >> yeah, [clears throat] 8724 05:31:49,750 --> 05:31:49,760 » yeah, [clears throat] 8725 05:31:49,760 --> 05:31:52,628 >> I I would just say this is unofficial, 8726 05:31:52,628 --> 05:31:52,638 » I I would just say this is unofficial, 8727 05:31:52,638 --> 05:31:54,400 right? as benefit and nice as it would 8728 05:31:54,400 --> 05:31:56,878 be. I just don't think we have any land. 8729 05:31:56,878 --> 05:32:00,788 >> I saw coming from Canon Road. I I saw a 8730 05:32:00,788 --> 05:32:00,798 » I saw coming from Canon Road. I I saw a 8731 05:32:00,798 --> 05:32:03,360 lot of land in that in that area. 8732 05:32:03,360 --> 05:32:05,590 >> So, our city does not go very far. We 8733 05:32:05,590 --> 05:32:05,600 » So, our city does not go very far. We 8734 05:32:05,600 --> 05:32:08,558 only go about a mile. We don't even go 8735 05:32:08,558 --> 05:32:09,280 up a mile. 8736 05:32:09,280 --> 05:32:11,750 >> What about on the front here? 8737 05:32:11,750 --> 05:32:11,760 » What about on the front here? 8738 05:32:11,760 --> 05:32:13,030 >> I think would be too small. 8739 05:32:13,030 --> 05:32:13,040 » I think would be too small. 8740 05:32:13,040 --> 05:32:13,430 >> Yeah. 8741 05:32:13,430 --> 05:32:13,440 » Yeah. 8742 05:32:13,440 --> 05:32:15,670 >> No, I think that will bring that would 8743 05:32:15,670 --> 05:32:15,680 » No, I think that will bring that would 8744 05:32:15,680 --> 05:32:17,440 be possible. And you're talking about a 8745 05:32:17,440 --> 05:32:21,520 permanent polo field and polo school 8746 05:32:21,520 --> 05:32:22,638 traveling. 8747 05:32:22,638 --> 05:32:25,590 >> I tell you the I I can bring a sponsor 8748 05:32:25,590 --> 05:32:25,600 » I tell you the I I can bring a sponsor 8749 05:32:25,600 --> 05:32:28,718 here, bring a lot of money to the city 8750 05:32:28,718 --> 05:32:32,798 and also No, I tell you is this polo is 8751 05:32:32,798 --> 05:32:33,840 big money. 8752 05:32:33,840 --> 05:32:35,430 >> It's huge. It's good money. 8753 05:32:35,430 --> 05:32:35,440 » It's huge. It's good money. 8754 05:32:35,440 --> 05:32:37,990 >> Yeah. So they still playing for a long 8755 05:32:37,990 --> 05:32:38,000 » Yeah. So they still playing for a long 8756 05:32:38,000 --> 05:32:40,400 time in Wellington, Palm Beach, 8757 05:32:40,400 --> 05:32:42,160 Pocaraton 8758 05:32:42,160 --> 05:32:45,840 and I think will be nice invaluable. You 8759 05:32:45,840 --> 05:32:47,600 know they are doing in Santa Barbara. 8760 05:32:47,600 --> 05:32:49,430 >> Can I give you my card? 8761 05:32:49,430 --> 05:32:49,440 » Can I give you my card? 8762 05:32:49,440 --> 05:32:50,390 >> Can I give you [clears throat] my card 8763 05:32:50,390 --> 05:32:50,400 » Can I give you [clears throat] my card 8764 05:32:50,400 --> 05:32:52,080 and I can help you? We can talk about 8765 05:32:52,080 --> 05:32:52,480 it. 8766 05:32:52,480 --> 05:32:53,030 >> Yeah, 8767 05:32:53,030 --> 05:32:53,040 » Yeah, 8768 05:32:53,040 --> 05:32:53,910 >> maybe. Okay. 8769 05:32:53,910 --> 05:32:53,920 » maybe. Okay. 8770 05:32:53,920 --> 05:32:54,230 >> Yeah. 8771 05:32:54,230 --> 05:32:54,240 » Yeah. 8772 05:32:54,240 --> 05:32:57,190 >> I would say if on the the topic of the 8773 05:32:57,190 --> 05:32:57,200 » I would say if on the the topic of the 8774 05:32:57,200 --> 05:33:00,878 ecoin therapy, I mean we do have um an 8775 05:33:00,878 --> 05:33:03,920 equestrian center. It's very small in 8776 05:33:03,920 --> 05:33:05,520 comparison to what the numbers you're 8777 05:33:05,520 --> 05:33:06,718 talking about, 8778 05:33:06,718 --> 05:33:09,190 >> but um if you were just doing the ecoin 8779 05:33:09,190 --> 05:33:09,200 » but um if you were just doing the ecoin 8780 05:33:09,200 --> 05:33:12,718 therapy, there might be something. So, I 8781 05:33:12,718 --> 05:33:15,200 would encourage you to talk with our um 8782 05:33:15,200 --> 05:33:16,878 community services department. 8783 05:33:16,878 --> 05:33:17,510 >> Mhm. 8784 05:33:17,510 --> 05:33:17,520 » Mhm. 8785 05:33:17,520 --> 05:33:21,430 >> Um because we are looking at 8786 05:33:21,430 --> 05:33:21,440 » Um because we are looking at 8787 05:33:21,440 --> 05:33:22,718 different possibilities of 8788 05:33:22,718 --> 05:33:24,868 >> Well, at least to start with one field 8789 05:33:24,868 --> 05:33:24,878 » Well, at least to start with one field 8790 05:33:24,878 --> 05:33:26,470 >> and you need a flat field. 8791 05:33:26,470 --> 05:33:26,480 » and you need a flat field. 8792 05:33:26,480 --> 05:33:26,788 >> Yes. 8793 05:33:26,788 --> 05:33:26,798 » Yes. 8794 05:33:26,798 --> 05:33:29,110 >> Yeah. We will we'll [laughter] 8795 05:33:29,110 --> 05:33:29,120 » Yeah. We will we'll [laughter] 8796 05:33:29,120 --> 05:33:29,520 we'll be 8797 05:33:29,520 --> 05:33:31,750 >> I'm not laughing at I we're not laughing 8798 05:33:31,750 --> 05:33:31,760 » I'm not laughing at I we're not laughing 8799 05:33:31,760 --> 05:33:33,680 at you. It's just so limited here in 8800 05:33:33,680 --> 05:33:36,400 Malibu like just the land, 8801 05:33:36,400 --> 05:33:37,590 >> you know, cuz then you're going to need 8802 05:33:37,590 --> 05:33:37,600 » you know, cuz then you're going to need 8803 05:33:37,600 --> 05:33:38,878 parking 8804 05:33:38,878 --> 05:33:40,070 >> because it brings 8805 05:33:40,070 --> 05:33:40,080 » because it brings 8806 05:33:40,080 --> 05:33:42,708 >> Mhm. You saw what is Monteito? 8807 05:33:42,708 --> 05:33:42,718 » Mhm. You saw what is Monteito? 8808 05:33:42,718 --> 05:33:44,948 >> I think Yeah, it's beautiful. 8809 05:33:44,948 --> 05:33:44,958 » I think Yeah, it's beautiful. 8810 05:33:44,958 --> 05:33:48,070 >> Yeah, but it's not a large place. So, we 8811 05:33:48,070 --> 05:33:48,080 » Yeah, but it's not a large place. So, we 8812 05:33:48,080 --> 05:33:50,878 can build here and Malu I think will be 8813 05:33:50,878 --> 05:33:51,680 great. 8814 05:33:51,680 --> 05:33:53,670 >> Um so, thank you very much for your 8815 05:33:53,670 --> 05:33:53,680 » Um so, thank you very much for your 8816 05:33:53,680 --> 05:33:55,200 comment. We are going to have this 8817 05:33:55,200 --> 05:33:57,600 discussion again. Um, I think council 8818 05:33:57,600 --> 05:33:59,440 member Conrad will talk to you, you 8819 05:33:59,440 --> 05:34:01,120 know, and like I said, for any ecoin 8820 05:34:01,120 --> 05:34:03,440 therapy, please talk to about our 8821 05:34:03,440 --> 05:34:05,840 equestrian to see if there's a a smaller 8822 05:34:05,840 --> 05:34:08,638 thing. Um, I think we're going to finish 8823 05:34:08,638 --> 05:34:12,638 the meeting out tonight. I am going to 8824 05:34:12,638 --> 05:34:15,680 request that we adjourn the meeting in 8825 05:34:15,680 --> 05:34:19,840 memory of Darlene Dubrey 8826 05:34:19,840 --> 05:34:23,040 um, who died recently. She was a active 8827 05:34:23,040 --> 05:34:26,160 C member for Malibu since 2015. She 8828 05:34:26,160 --> 05:34:28,480 played a key role during the Wolsey fire 8829 05:34:28,480 --> 05:34:31,280 and assisted with past distribution 8830 05:34:31,280 --> 05:34:33,520 following the Palisades fire. Even 8831 05:34:33,520 --> 05:34:35,680 though she was also displaced from her 8832 05:34:35,680 --> 05:34:38,480 home due to smoke damage, 8833 05:34:38,480 --> 05:34:41,120 Darlene loved surfing, biking, and was 8834 05:34:41,120 --> 05:34:43,120 well known at the senior center 8835 05:34:43,120 --> 05:34:44,798 participating in many of their 8836 05:34:44,798 --> 05:34:47,520 activities. Darlene had a sweet and 8837 05:34:47,520 --> 05:34:49,920 caring nature and never had an unkind 8838 05:34:49,920 --> 05:34:52,958 word to say about anyone. Darlene will 8839 05:34:52,958 --> 05:34:55,920 be mess be missed by many people who 8840 05:34:55,920 --> 05:34:58,638 knew and love her and that was uh put 8841 05:34:58,638 --> 05:35:01,600 together from Susan Dwanius in uh public 8842 05:35:01,600 --> 05:35:04,000 safety. So just want to make that 8843 05:35:04,000 --> 05:35:06,080 acknowledgement of um adjournment. So 8844 05:35:06,080 --> 05:35:09,520 and with that we are adjourned. 8845 05:35:09,520 --> 05:35:12,760 >> Thank you.