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Now, 9.07 a.m. Members, in accordance with the sunshine law, if you're not in the council chamber, please identify by name. Who, if anyone is in the room, vehicle or workspace with you today. Miners do not need to be identified. Also, please see the last page of the agenda for information on meeting connectivity. And remember to silence all cell phones. Good morning, everyone. I look forward to chair chairing a productive meeting. I'm Gabe Johnson, your committee chair. And also joining us today are Vice Chair Shane Sinensee, Loha Council Member.

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I'm here at my home office, I'm here by myself, and there's no testifiers in Hauna chair.

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Thank you for that.

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Let's move on to Council Chair Alesslie, Aloha Councilmember.

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Good morning.

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Good morning, Chair Johnson, Aloha Coco, looking forward to your meeting, and there's no one here

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at my home office besides my little kitty.

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Thank you.

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Thanks for that info.

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And next we have in the chambers, Councilmember Tom Cook, a Loha Councilmember.

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A lot of good morning, and currently there's no testifiers, and the internet is working at the South My Office.

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Wow.

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Or two in all today.

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All right, now we've got move on to Councilmember Paulton, a Loha Councilmember.

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I love the Christmas vibe you got back there.

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A lot of Kakaya Kakako streaming live in direct from my kitchen table.

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There's nobody else in the house.

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The K9 is downstairs.

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Okay, and Council Member Yuki-Lay Sugimura is excused today, and of course, we have with us virtually committee member Noi-Lani-U-U-U-Hajins, Oloha Council Member.

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Good morning, Chair. Good morning, everyone. I am also at my private residence. I have one adult male with me, Mokoa-U-U-Hajins, and then I have my minor daughter as well, but I am here, and I'm excited for your meeting. Thank you.

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Okay, welcome, welcome in the good morning.

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Of course, our non-voting committee members,

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Councilmember Rollins, Fernandez is always welcome.

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And we are now from the administration.

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We have plenty of folks there as you can see.

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We've got the Department of Environmental Management

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Cecil Powell, along with William J.

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Office of Recovery, Executive Assistant, Jordan Hart,

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From the Department of OEV Resources, we have Director Caponeau-I Moli-Tau, from the Department of Water Supply, Director John Stuffelbeam, Office of the Mayor, Office of Economic Development, we have Chantel-Rolim, and from Corporation Council, we have Christy Wigglesworth, Deputy Corporation Council, and Adrian, Rife Snyder, Deputy Corporation Council. On our committee staff, we have Ellen McKinley, Legislative Analyst, Casey Apple, Takahama, Senior, Legislative Analyst,

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from Megan Moniz, Legislative Attorney, and

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Ms. Leidenine, and our assistant clerk.

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Today, on our agenda members, we have two items.

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Very important items are really excited to learn more about them.

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We have a depth one, parentheses one,

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reviving the Na'ulu Cloud Bridge,

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and a depth one, parentheses 12, aquifer mapping,

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and long-term monitoring of water resources on Maui.

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These items are informationally only,

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and no legislative action will be taken day.

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Okay, thank you members and administration for being here today, thank you for our presenters.

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Let's begin with public testimony on all items on the agenda.

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Although public testimony is also welcome after the presentations of each item as well.

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So staff, do we have any testifiers?

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Okay, just give me a moment, I'll read some guidelines here.

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Oral testimony via phone or video conference will be accepted in addition to in-person testimony.

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Individuals wishing to testify in person may sign up with a staff member at the entrance

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For those joining the meeting via Microsoft Teams, those wishing to testify can let staff

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via the tiny URL link or by calling into the phone number noted on today's agenda.

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MauiCounty.us forward slash agendas.

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agendas. Thank you all for your cooperation.

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The chair will maintain decorum at all times.

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Any person who behaves in a manner that disrupts, disturbs or impedes the orderly conduct of any

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council meeting can, at the discretion of the presiding officer and a majority of present

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muted or dropped from the meeting. Examples of disruptive behavior include heckling, shouting,

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or general public committee members. I'll now proceed with oral testimony. Staff have been

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to take each person in an orally fashion. So staff will you please call the first testifier?

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Yes, chair, the first testifier is the Royal House of Hawaii to be followed by Hina and Nubal.

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Okay, Royal House.

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Aloha.

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Aloha.

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So, there's six items, right? Am I correct?

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Oh, there's only two items.

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Oh, it's two items.

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Okay. Sorry, they're reading the agenda throughout the same time because it's like

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confusing little bit with the numbering, but the first one, the first one is for

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looking at the agenda is like giving me like six like different links to provide testimony on

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did we lose you? Oh, no, you

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Reconstruction plans. Oh, no, that's number two. Yeah. Oh, no number one

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That makes me want the cultural resource commissioner

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a different meeting.

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Does it say Maui County, Agriculture,

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British, the Policy Commission?

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Oh, yeah, that's a different meeting.

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Oh, no way.

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Different link, yeah.

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We got a little bit of a internet.

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I can go speak though.

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It's you, but go ahead.

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To you all, as a, yeah, a land,

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all of your LAN tenant holder and descendant and I saw this is about so

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you guys just said this

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is about the rejuvenation of the clouds or something right yeah then the ulu cloud bridge okay so

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I'm wondering if any of the LAN descendants were contacted because it's all all of your title and

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Royal Patented, and there's Hawaii Revised Statute 172-11. The lands are supposed to be returned

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to the descendants. If it was even sold or if it's the title is trying to be changed or whatever

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every maybe. And yeah,

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Katins over there on that side in the Agua area. That's where a majority of the

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we lose you again?

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contact it at all and yeah

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anyway okay and yeah I'll speak later I'm just gonna do this test of money

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for now but I'm gonna do my testimony after again okay let me see if we have

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any clarifying questions I don't see any hands for clarifying questions so

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thank you for your testimony staff will you ask for the next testifier care the

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next testifier is Hina Nubal.

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Hina Nubal, if you're ready to testify, you can...

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Aloha.

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Oh, there we go.

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Aloha.

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Aloha Nli Kako, Oki Oki Oki Napu Mohala Nubal.

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I was born and raised here on Maui.

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I come from Waipoli on the slopes of Haliakala.

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and I just came today in strong support of this project.

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Thank you guys so much for putting this on the docket

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and hearing this and being willing to consider

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this kind of a project.

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It means a lot to me that we've come to this place today.

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There's been so much damage this time to the INA all the way

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from the very top of the mountain all the way out

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to go a lot of itself. So any work that we do, that restores that system, that is the

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Naulu Cloud is so Mekai and so necessary for the generations coming after us. We are

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living on a planet that where does a desertification is spreading rapidly in many places, and I think

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that we think we're immune from that here in Hawaii, but we're not. We can see it happening.

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It's happening on Molokai, it's happening on Koholave, it's happening in Kihei and Lahaina

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and fighting against that by doing restoration work is one of the smartest and most culturally

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aligned things that we can possibly do to look after our INA and the generations coming after us.

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I have been an intern twice at the Awahi Restoration Project.

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I have family from Kabul, and I have seen firsthand how if you exclude the weeds and you plant

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the native plants and you give them the conditions to grow, they will thrive and they will grow.

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And these kind of projects truly can be a success, it just requires us to get behind them and

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give them what they need. So although I came a sort of last minute today without knowing

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all the details of the project, I know that anything that helps the Nauulu Cloud to be restored,

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restores not only the Aina and the Vai, the Ua, but it restores parts of us as Kanaka,

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and it allows us to maintain that connection. A green belt stretching from Liwerdhaliakala all

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all the way out to Koholavi is something filled with native plants is something that only serves

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to strengthen all of our cultural connections. All of those plants are incredibly important

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for cultural uses as much as they are for being on the INA to draw the clouds and to help

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the rain to come again. I deeply believe that this is possible and I really appreciate the

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vision of the people behind it. And thank you so much for your support today.

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Okay. Thank you so much for your testimony. Hena, let's see if we have any clarifying

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questions. We do have one from Councilmember Paulton.

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Thank you, Terry. Beemis. I was wondering if you could clarify what you said about the

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desertification. This is not something that you think that diesel would solve.

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I think I don't know a lot about desalination of water, correct?

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I don't know where we are at with having that kind of technology available to us here in Hawaii.

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I know that either way we have to put aside the I know, we have to plant the plants

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of water that allows us to help that, probably not a lot of it is going to get watered because

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that's not how large scale restoration works, but I really don't think that we can desalinate

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our way out of increasing certification, that is not going to solve our problems, I don't

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I think that we need to do large-scale restoration.

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That's what's really going to draw the moisture and hold it and we have to physically reconstruct that green corridor and that bridge that is the Nauulu Cloud that is celebrated in song and story by our ancestors. It's a phenomena that they have observed for hundreds and hundreds of years and they know how it works. And so, yeah, we have to rebuild that. Thank you.

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Thank you so much.

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Ms. Nooball for your testimony.

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Appreciate it.

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Staff, will you call the next testifier, please?

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The next testifier, and currently the last sign up, is the individual calling in with the

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last four digits 6659.

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I mean, you may need to press star 6 to unmute.

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Star 6 to unmute.

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Aloha, this is Robin Knox.

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Can you hear me?

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Loud and clear, Ms. Knox.

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Thank you so much.

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Aloha, my committee chair and members.

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Mahalo for allowing these important presentations for consideration.

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I commend you for looking for ways to melama our water resources.

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It's especially heartening to see all the relevant departments there, including DEM today.

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With regard to the aquifer mapping, modeling, and monitoring, it is essential.

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Often you may hear people say they don't like studies, they want actions but actions can

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be ill advised if not grounded in reality like knowledge of rainfall, aquifer location

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and bounds, water levels and water quality.

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Some of the information you'll see presented today demonstrates the folly of making decisions

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about sustainable yield without this understanding.

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Already we are over pumping wells and causing salination of fresh water resources.

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I support expanding the scope of this study,

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Island-wide, South Maui in particular,

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already has a large number of wells and more planned

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for the YLAS-670 project and comma-only aquifer,

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which has a very limited, sustainable yield,

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and many aquifer-dependent ecosystems along the coastline.

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A lot of people may not be familiar with the concepts

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of monitoring, modeling, and adaptive management,

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But these modeling systems help us define and understand how the system functions, and

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it gives us a management tool that only gets better over time because every time we do

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the monitoring, it improves.

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Our current system of water resources management is reactive.

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We implement management measures only after negative impacts have occurred.

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Having the mapping modeling and monitoring system will allow decisions to be proactive by predicting

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with the impacts of what draws would be before making a decision.

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So I encourage this also to be expanded to our surface water systems as well.

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There's only one water and our surface water management affects groundwater and vice-versa.

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Lastly, water resource discussions often have a tendency to focus on human usage.

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We must also protect our ecosystems by maintaining adequate groundwater flows to wetlands, springs,

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and local ear.

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The groundwater protects aquafirps from salt intrusion at the coast, and the Punevai provides

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cooler water refuge for fisheries in the local EO, which is increasingly important with

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a higher climate, hotter climate.

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So I support the landscape scale, restore restoration, and reforestation.

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That is actually the only method that brings more freshwater into our hydrologic systems.

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I'll repeat that.

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That is the only method that actually brings more fresh water into our systems.

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To take care of all of our water needs, landscape, scale, nature-based solutions are best.

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We have to take care of not only the needs of humans, but also the needs of nature.

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Mahalo, Newe.

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Thank you, Ms. Knox, for your testimony.

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You'll see if we have any clarifying questions.

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We don't have any, so thank you once again for your testimony.

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Staff, will you call the next testifier, please?

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Can we see that the Royal House of Hawaii is raising their hand, but we're still in the

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first on that opening, so if they would like to testify on the second item, they can,

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and then I also see an individual who's a partial podium.

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Okay, let's see if Royal House was your first, if you don't mind JC Law.

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Royal House, if you don't mind just sticking to the other item instead of the first item,

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is that okay?

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can you speak on that? Three minutes.

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Oh, I was going to say where can you find the agendas?

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It's not possible because it's not. Okay, I can help you with that, but did you want to testify

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on anything? Otherwise, I'll just give you that information. It's MauiCounty.us forward slash agenda

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is where you'll find that at. Yeah, I'm on there, but it's not showing. I'm looking at the calendar for

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for today with all the meetings for today is not popping up.

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Okay, well you, I'm sorry, the internet has been funky,

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but that's where it is Maui County,

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that US Forest, that's Gendis looking at the depth committee

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of 12, 4, 2020, 5,

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and that's where you should be able to find it.

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Did you want to speak on that?

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But I'll sign off for it.

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Good and next one, though.

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Okay, okay.

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Thank you so much.

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We're gonna move on to JC Law then.

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That's all right.

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Good morning.

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I was kind of interested in the some.

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It's very exciting that you guys are here.

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I stay in Waikawa, Kula-Uka.

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And I'm right on the edge of this.

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I looked into the press packet there.

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And to the Royal House of Hawaii, I really appreciate you guys

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coming in here and justifying and grounding everybody.

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And I hope you stay tuned because I think even you

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will learn something from this.

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I've been here 12 years now.

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I've been looking for you guys, and like I said, I'm up in Kula, and I go to the community, a Kula community association meetings.

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I don't know if you guys are familiar with that, but I haven't had much traction with them.

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They put me on the recycling committee, but I haven't had much traction with that either.

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And I appreciate Mr. Cook being here because my representative is a close associate of my representative Yuki-Lei Sugimura, and she's, I hope she's watching now, she's probably doing something very important.

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Okay.

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And I looked at the packet outside and I really appreciate and I encourage her by stay tuned because the presentation is going to be really extraordinary.

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and I appreciate, I kind of know a little bit of the territory up there, Mr. Johnson,

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and I know you're Lee Mahana has a lot to do with what's going on here.

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And since I feel comfortable with you, and you could come here off if you want to,

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but I've been trying to get some community stuff going on up there.

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All right, well, let's stick with this very important strategy.

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You know what I know? You guys, I know it's the churches,

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and they're not helping much at all.

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Okay. Thanks for that. Any clarifying questions from our testifier? Seeing none, thank you so much.

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All right. Staff, we have one more test for you. I think it's James Lannford.

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Mr. Lannford,

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you're going to testify today? Okay.

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Hello, huh? Hello. Thank you so much. What a fascinating

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meeting you guys are doing, Chair, and everyone, and Council Peeps. So there is a way to produce water

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without having to do a huge desalination on the smaller scale for about the cost of a water meter connection that'll produce up 30 gallons a day in our 60% humidity average coming in around 0.002 gallon costs.

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So I've posted that on the Facebook in today's meeting and the link for the Royal House of Hawaii as well.

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So that can help your math and those grants are easier to achieve with the USDA and the CDVG, et cetera, on those scales because you're not going up against.

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Well, you know how the process works with the smaller multiples with matching funds seems to unlock

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water in a way that can honor the existing needs for the Hawaiians and everything that comes after that.

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So that information will, it will give you cards so that you can see the apples and apples comparison of how the military would generate water in the desert in a 1% to 2% environment.

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Well, we're blessed to have 62 and it would also help building a closet.

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It's the same, it's technology that I believe our elite would use through like, I'm sorry, the concept of E.O.C.

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or lightning to protect the air and the resources from destruction.

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So that would be a cultural tie-in for you folks too.

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Okay, I hope that math works out for you.

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Okay, and I'm available, yes sir.

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Thank you Mr. Lankford for your testimony.

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Members, any clarifying questions for Mr. Lankford?

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Seeing none, thank you once again for your testimony.

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Staff, do we have any other testifiers?

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Staff has not received any further requests for testimony this time.

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Anyone who would like to testify, please raise your hand, or click on the,

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by clicking the raise your hand button, or pressing star five via phone.

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I'd love you to do a last call.

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Okay. Last call for testimony. Three, two, one, chair seeing no individuals wishing to testify.

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Okay, members, seeing there's no more individuals wishing to testify. I'll proceed with the agenda,

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and that is, adept one parentheses, one reviving, the Na'ulu Cloud Bridge.

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Members, the rain follows the forest. As we know, from historical deforestation and the resulting

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historic droughts in water shortages. No trees equals no rain. The Naulu Cloud Ridge, which we

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will hear about today, is one example. This is an important cloud bridge, one stretch, like a

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constant banner connecting the mountains of Kaholavi and Haliakala, after the damage to Kaholavi by

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military bombings and the clearing of forests from Haliakala slopes, the Naulu Cloud Ridge has disappeared.

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And as the cloud cover left, so do the rains.

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But as the rain, coa, or shrines linked from Ula Palcua to Kaua Lave by ceremony show,

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there is hope for healing if we look at this holistically and recognize the indigenous knowledge of our natural systems and our human place within them.

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If we consciously steer the land and restore our trees and forests,

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there is hope that the cloud cover will grow as well and bring life-giving rains that are so needed.

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It is a generational, historical undertaking.

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To help us learn more, I have invited Andrea Buckman, Executive Director of Uhe-Y-O-Holly

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Aka-Lah, an organization working with landowners on Leeward-Holly Aka-Lah to assess landscapes

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and implement site-specific reforestation plans.

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Ms. Buckman and her team are boots on the ground and help provide public and private resources

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to reverse deforestation.

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Our presentation team includes CJ Elizares, a cultural practitioner with Protect Kaholavi

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Ojana, Dr. Jonathan Price, a professor of geography at the University of Hawaii at Hilo,

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and for the Waikoloa Dryland Forest Initiative, Paul Higashino, Restoration Manager for the

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Restoration Program of the Kaholavi Island Reserve Commission, and Akua Pol, owner of Pol

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brothers incorporated a long time resident of Kahikun, Nui, Homestead, and a board member

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of Ujivai'o, Haliakala, and Ilama Farm, President of Kahohana'o, Kahikun, Nui.

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I've also invited Lance DeSilver from the Department of Land and Natural Resources to

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provide comments for as our state deal and our Maui Branch Forest Program Manager.

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Members, if there's no objections, I'd like to designate his resource persons on their

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Council rule 18A, given their expertise and

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reforestation and efforts to revive the Na'olu Cloud

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bridge to folks that I just mentioned.

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Thank you so much.

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All right, Mr. Buckman, thank you for being here.

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Please introduce your team and commence with

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your presentation.

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The floor is yours.

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Mahalo.

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Aloha Mikako.

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My name is Andrea Buckman.

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I'm the executive director for Uhuvai.

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I'm really grateful for the opportunity to be here.

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I'm really grateful for the initiative that the council

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So I'm really proud of our county leadership at this point and I'm excited to share with you some of the work we're doing on the forest in the forest and hopefully we can help provide a solution that Maui really needs.

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I have some really key partners here and this initiative is huge. It's going to take so many more than us.

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But, um, with the time we had today, I've brought some-

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Ms. Buckman, can you take the mic and bring it a little bit closer and share your voice with us?

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Thank you.

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Sure.

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Is that better?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So, um, I have C.J. Alizarra's.

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I've known C.J. for many years, um, starting, I think I met him at the rain ceremony at

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I put my boy many years ago, I've known him from voyage.

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Meeting, and most recently doing restoration and collaboration with the team at McKenna. My board member

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here at Kula Poe is a leader in our community, small business owner, and he's been kind of

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by my side as a resident of Creaking, you're trying to, you know, resettle a remote homestead.

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And he's seen a lot of the struggles we've had as a conservation entity and a long time partner,

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and I'm grateful for his leadership on the board.

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I have Ilama Farm, he's now the president of Kauhana, Okahikinui, so they're a strong community

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partner.

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They're the board that represents the residents that live out in Okahikinui and I think you'll

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see later that's a key project site that I believe will be central to this initiative.

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And then, of course, Paul Higashino, he is one of my Kumu and people I've learned from

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in over 15, 20 years on Maui doing this restoration work, so I'm really honored to be at the

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table with him and have his expertise and be able to really collaborate with him in a meaningful

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way.

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So we each have a portion in this, and I look forward to sharing with you.

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Seedoo is going to start us off with setting the context.

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I'm looking at these lights. Thank you guys.

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Yasuo, we can just look at the picture on the left,

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or local kayoko, everybody.

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If you look on the picture on the left, and you can see those taken from an airplane

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on one of our flights back and it shows go a lot of in the foreground and Maui in the background.

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I really love this picture which made me really look out the window that day

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because it really shows all of the pieces that create this no-look cloud

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that also recognizes the other cloud banks and cloud bridges that are coming off of Maui.

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for this picture, you can see the Alainui ha ha channel on the right, the side where the

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words are, and the wind comes off of that channel, everybody knows the Naulu wind that

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comes off of that channel. But in the back there, it comes off and comes up Kaupo and pushes

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the evaporation off of the surface of the ocean onto the land, the heat from the land in Kaupo,

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and Khaikinui drives it up the steep cliffs of Pali Kuh,

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and it starts to congregate the water,

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it starts to congregate as a cloud.

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And then it comes over to the Honwa Ula,

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where it meets at Pumakua at about 6,000 feet elevation.

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And that's the right side of the cloud.

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The left side of this picture,

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you can see the Kuhlono coming from P-Holo.

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So, you can see how it comes from UQQ and other cloud bridge that comes across the isthmus

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of Maui.

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You can see a shorter cloud if you can recognize where Kihei, Kula Kaya is in there,

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and that's Kula Nihau Koi and other cloud bridge, anyway.

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Those clouds and those water vapors being pushed by the Moai winds through the central valley

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comes up against the Kuala Lone across Kula and meets again at Puma Kua. We have ceremonies

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at Puma Hue on Kuala Lave, and in many other areas in Hula to recognize Kone, which is simply

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all of these winds, clouds, rains, the plants, and most importantly for this is heat.

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And at Pumahoy we call the cloud down so and recognize all of its powers, make it

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heavier, offer it whole kupu, and call it down so it doesn't fly over Kohola, where

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Pumahoy is at 2,222 feet, real easy to remember, Kohola is about 1,600 feet in elevation.

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So if the cloud stays high, which it has been doing because there's nothing to grab onto and well, there is no, I think we'll get into that later.

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It'll miss the whole of it as a whole.

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No, no, Ulu.

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What we're talking about today is just a small part.

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It is Kaleno, Ulu.

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It's a larger name of this cloud bridge, which goes past the whole of it.

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It goes over to La Nai, goes over to Molokai, and then returns back to Maui.

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But we're talking about this restoration effort here in Maui, because that is the beginnings

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of this cloud, taking care of what we know is Kapo Gap, Kapo, Klaikinui, Honwa Ula, as

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a whole, the channels that surround it and then even into the central value of Maui, all

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of those things contribute to this.

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The cultural end is not very different, it's not different from the scientific end, these

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These are all the same things, we're talking about all the same things.

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The sanctification of this cloud, the sacredness of this cloud comes because we recognize this as a life.

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If we keep on saying water is life, then we need to recognize these things as such.

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And we're going to show some of the work that we're doing to that honors this cloud, next slide.

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All

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right, now these pictures are from Kuala Lave and Waiaka is a reflection.

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It's a reflection of this cloud and who we are as people.

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We have all of these ahu or Kaua standing up in different spaces.

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The pictures are from Kuala Lave now, one from Akio Ava and the other one at Bu

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and that's

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another Kaua.

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So that's the receiving Kua Kaipua Kana on Kola, from the previous slide we had on the

443
00:36:24,590 --> 00:36:26,230
Nō Ulu Kua at Ulu Pala Kua.

444
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:33,630
And that we encourage the exchange, and I'm running out, I went over the time that I

445
00:36:33,630 --> 00:36:34,730
told Andrea I would take.

446
00:36:35,310 --> 00:36:40,050
But what we just wanted to highlight is that everybody at this table here and many other

447
00:36:40,050 --> 00:36:45,190
people in the community are these Kua, we are these all who that are doing our work.

448
00:36:46,090 --> 00:36:50,550
And we're all trying to do what we can in our spaces.

449
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:56,250
Hi, for instance, work in the lower dry land forests of Honolulu,

450
00:36:56,730 --> 00:37:01,150
whereas I don't know what Andrea guys do up in the mountain above the clouds.

451
00:37:01,890 --> 00:37:05,810
But we're trying to just like this bridge figure out connectivity

452
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:09,750
between our different organizations or different works

453
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:27,550
and how we can make a continuous bridge not only in the sky with the clouds and the water but through our networking and collaboration as partners on land as people and as conservationists, I guess, if you want to be that.

454
00:37:30,460 --> 00:37:31,480
That's all I get.

455
00:37:38,030 --> 00:37:44,050
I love learning, it's never going to stop and I was taking notes as you speak, you know.

456
00:37:44,330 --> 00:37:50,430
So I just am so grateful for the opportunity to collaborate with all these people and hopefully

457
00:37:50,430 --> 00:37:51,210
with many more.

458
00:37:51,830 --> 00:37:52,510
Thank you so much.

459
00:37:54,450 --> 00:38:04,450
So I first started back in 2004, I was working as a researcher at a college, a city tropical

460
00:38:04,450 --> 00:38:07,810
College in Conservation, working for Pacific Well Foundation.

461
00:38:07,810 --> 00:38:11,410
I was volunteering up in the mountain thank goodness I met Dr.

462
00:38:11,530 --> 00:38:17,510
Art Maderas and started volunteering and then works doing well

463
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:21,270
research for a couple of years and then was able to get to get

464
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:23,410
hired full-time I think in 2007.

465
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:26,970
So this is all I know.

466
00:38:27,250 --> 00:38:30,410
This is what I know and what I do and I still know nothing.

467
00:38:30,410 --> 00:38:36,730
I'm just enamored with this work, it's always a challenge, and it's always inspiring,

468
00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:40,430
and I'm dedicated to it.

469
00:38:40,530 --> 00:38:45,250
But at the beginning, some of these things that really inspired me, what he's of all

470
00:38:45,250 --> 00:38:49,790
he's upon, a learning about what sacred places are, what that truly means.

471
00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:55,490
One becomes many of the concept of adaptive radiation, how unique and special so many species

472
00:38:55,490 --> 00:39:03,370
these here are, they're only found here on the entire planet and the ways that they colonized

473
00:39:03,370 --> 00:39:08,590
and arrived here and then became these unique and diverse assemblages is fascinating.

474
00:39:09,330 --> 00:39:16,150
Where rigor overlaps with relevance, that's kind of where we look at that role between science

475
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:18,470
and understanding and community.

476
00:39:18,730 --> 00:39:21,730
How much do we study versus how much do we do?

477
00:39:23,050 --> 00:39:28,510
Learning that Lerid Halakala is the epicenter of extinction in the Pacific, we have lost

478
00:39:28,510 --> 00:39:34,450
more than any other region in the Hawaiian Islands in terms of biodiversity.

479
00:39:35,150 --> 00:39:39,350
So that's pretty sobering and humbling and hopefully inspiring.

480
00:39:40,810 --> 00:39:43,430
Uncle Renee Silva, well, but do we try something?

481
00:39:43,770 --> 00:39:45,530
We already know what happens when we try nothing.

482
00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:49,750
I will always be inspired by that.

483
00:39:50,290 --> 00:39:54,630
When you think you know you have no idea, the more we learn, the more we hone our skills,

484
00:39:55,350 --> 00:39:56,870
things are changing so fast.

485
00:39:57,210 --> 00:40:03,590
We have to stay present with the lands and keep, um, stay humble so we can continue.

486
00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:04,190
Um,

487
00:40:06,270 --> 00:40:13,410
Creaky Newy, Awahi Kamakani, this is just an image of basically what Awahi started

488
00:40:13,410 --> 00:40:13,870
as.

489
00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:18,710
Our design it as a square so you could see it, started as 10 acres and 23.

490
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:30,210
You can really see that you can convert degraded pasture land and really decimated native forest back to a native dominated ecosystem.

491
00:40:30,910 --> 00:40:38,890
You can do it. It takes a lot of work, a lot of volunteers, a lot of community, a lot of diligence, starting small is important, but it's possible.

492
00:40:38,890 --> 00:40:45,010
This set the stage for many larger scale restoration projects on Maui, and also has been inspiring

493
00:40:45,010 --> 00:40:48,590
for projects across the Pai'aina and across the world.

494
00:40:48,690 --> 00:40:53,990
It's a globally acknowledged site, and I was fortunate enough to be able to learn from.

495
00:40:56,110 --> 00:41:01,210
So right now, on the Yardhali Akala, about 5% of our native forests is all that's left.

496
00:41:06,010 --> 00:41:11,370
We know that if we don't have water, we don't have flowers, we don't have happiness, we

497
00:41:11,370 --> 00:41:13,110
don't have health, we don't have abundance.

498
00:41:14,010 --> 00:41:17,150
So we're looking at 5%.

499
00:41:20,170 --> 00:41:26,070
Some of the threats and challenges that we face are erosion with that loss of forest cover.

500
00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:32,090
The sediment is cheating off into the near shore waters and disrupting reefs, disrupting

501
00:41:32,090 --> 00:41:34,030
economic systems disrupting roadways,

502
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:48,410
introduce unmanaged animals like access deer, pigs on the picture on the left you can see a couple of pigs got into one of our fences and just did a huge amount of destruction.

503
00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:54,090
We turned that into a positive and started planting into that area because they dug up the soil for us.

504
00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:57,590
But ultimately, you're constantly looking at threats.

505
00:41:58,030 --> 00:42:03,690
Those animals are too much for our native ecosystems.

506
00:42:04,210 --> 00:42:08,010
They didn't, the plants didn't evolve to defend against these types of threats

507
00:42:08,010 --> 00:42:09,830
and this type of pressure.

508
00:42:11,330 --> 00:42:13,610
So unmanage animals is a huge problem.

509
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:18,270
Fire, drought, invasive grasses, you're probably very familiar with it.

510
00:42:18,270 --> 00:42:19,390
It's a cycle, right?

511
00:42:19,650 --> 00:42:23,690
So the more fire that we have, the more invasive species come in,

512
00:42:23,690 --> 00:42:29,050
especially fire and drought-adapted grasses. Most of those were introduced from Africa to be

513
00:42:29,050 --> 00:42:35,550
fodder for cattle. So that was because they thrive in full sun and dry areas. So they happen to

514
00:42:35,550 --> 00:42:39,290
be fire-adapted too, and then the more fires we have, the further those things are spreading

515
00:42:39,850 --> 00:42:46,590
up into the native forest. And then you get a picture on the right, you get a storm right after

516
00:42:46,590 --> 00:42:51,450
a fire, and you see, you know, that's probably tons of sediment. If you can see the tiny truck

517
00:42:51,450 --> 00:42:55,190
in the top left, it's tons of sediment flowing right into the ocean in Cahikinui.

518
00:42:56,810 --> 00:43:00,330
So, you know, we can have meetings, we bring people together.

519
00:43:01,090 --> 00:43:05,890
This is an example of that, I think, after the fire in 2016, and it keeps happening over

520
00:43:05,890 --> 00:43:07,010
and over and over again.

521
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:13,350
We're not doing enough fast enough, so, et cetera.

522
00:43:14,050 --> 00:43:20,670
Storms, winds, suppression of seed being pathogens, we have rapidoheides, we've seen it decimate

523
00:43:20,670 --> 00:43:22,090
over 80% of Hawaii islands.

524
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:23,370
Oh, he a forest.

525
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:25,770
It has been detected on Maui a couple times.

526
00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:27,370
It's something we have to stay vigilant for.

527
00:43:28,070 --> 00:43:29,370
The storm is the picture on the right.

528
00:43:29,590 --> 00:43:30,270
To me, it's heartbreaking.

529
00:43:31,350 --> 00:43:36,570
A Kumu Koa tree just twisted and broken down by the wind.

530
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:42,550
The more our forests are lost, the more the lack of understory is there.

531
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:47,390
The more winds come in, those winds are bringing the pathogens like rapido here to us.

532
00:43:50,330 --> 00:43:55,590
So the less stability there is in the forest, it's just more and more exposed and less resilient.

533
00:44:00,290 --> 00:44:02,070
But there are some good things.

534
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:06,790
So that forest is left, that's what we started being tasked with protecting.

535
00:44:07,610 --> 00:44:12,130
So there's still a lot of things and we need to hold on to what we can.

536
00:44:12,130 --> 00:44:22,010
So we started building fences from a Wahi, the 10 acres, 20 acres, 50 acres, to Kiki,

537
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:25,630
Nui, this is a 4,000 acre project site.

538
00:44:26,110 --> 00:44:28,950
We have to fly in, fly in these materials.

539
00:44:29,350 --> 00:44:31,710
It's hours of time, it's very dangerous.

540
00:44:33,130 --> 00:44:38,230
We get to see some beautiful places, but building the fences is very expensive, very hard, then

541
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:39,170
they have to be maintained.

542
00:44:39,330 --> 00:44:40,490
But that's what has to come first.

543
00:44:40,490 --> 00:44:46,650
you have to exclude the animals and create a draw line in the sand, you know, where you're

544
00:44:46,650 --> 00:44:52,650
going to start protecting something and hold space for that. We have to build work sites,

545
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:59,970
camp sites, to make it safe as comfortable as we can. That takes a lot of work. We have four-

546
00:45:01,620 --> 00:45:29,980
We develop restoration techniques. You know, we're planting any erosion scars trying to figure out what's going to survive. We're planting in some areas. We have deeper soils. Deeper soils also means more weeds. So every site is different. As much as I learned at Hawaii, it does not apply to anywhere else. Everything is very site specific. I mean, I use every, everything I learned there. But every site has its own threats, its own amounts of remnant forests, its own weeds.

547
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:34,020
reads, so it's like there's no playbook.

548
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:43,740
Over time, why it was 2000, in 2004, 10 acres by 2019, we had over 12,700 acres fenced,

549
00:45:43,820 --> 00:45:48,620
and this isn't just us, of course, this is partners across, including the National Park,

550
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:53,900
the state of Hawaii, and private landowners doing their own work.

551
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:59,080
The partnership landscape was set at 3,500 feet and above, because that's the headwaters

552
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:06,860
of the watersheds, that's where these landowners dedicated space to hold for future water

553
00:46:06,860 --> 00:46:09,700
and cultural economic resources.

554
00:46:12,650 --> 00:46:15,850
We're also part of a bigger system. On Maui, we have free

555
00:46:15,850 --> 00:46:21,410
watershed partnerships. Also, there's Pukakui watershed. There's South Maui watershed

556
00:46:21,410 --> 00:46:31,330
partnership group. There are a lot more and it's growing. And even across the state now, over 2.2

557
00:46:31,330 --> 00:46:35,150
dedication to watershed restoration through the watershed partnerships program.

558
00:46:35,410 --> 00:46:40,330
So it's a really innovative and collaborative effort that is a voluntary alliance between

559
00:46:40,330 --> 00:46:45,270
all these different types of landowners. It enables people to work across TMKs and address

560
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:49,710
issues like fire and weeds and things that don't stop at your friend's sign or your boundary.

561
00:46:50,510 --> 00:46:54,510
It really allows us to look at things on an ecological level.

562
00:46:56,110 --> 00:46:57,690
So, what is Ujivai?

563
00:46:59,130 --> 00:47:02,470
Like CJ mentioned, the slide on the left is something I was playing with after I did

564
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:09,430
a workshop with Papakumakavalu, and just trying to overlay the cultural understanding of

565
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:17,410
the water cycle with a scientific framework, and it's more than a line, and the Hawaiian

566
00:47:17,410 --> 00:47:23,030
perspectives are even more in depth and more comprehensive and intricate and intimate.

567
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:24,870
It was really fascinating.

568
00:47:26,090 --> 00:47:28,850
It took me a couple years to figure out the name for the nonprofit.

569
00:47:30,130 --> 00:47:32,090
The dark descending mist.

570
00:47:32,330 --> 00:47:36,010
It's the mist that comes in pretty much every day.

571
00:47:36,130 --> 00:47:38,390
You folks get to look at Halia Kala from over here.

572
00:47:38,590 --> 00:47:40,830
It's really nice to get to see it from a different angle.

573
00:47:41,850 --> 00:47:44,030
You notice that cloud almost every day.

574
00:47:45,170 --> 00:47:46,330
That's the descending mist.

575
00:47:46,850 --> 00:47:51,630
There's a beautiful song by Nathan Aveau that compares this to the hug of a loved one.

576
00:47:51,630 --> 00:47:57,850
this, this miss that envelops, and it, it's there, it's consistent, it's nurturing.

577
00:47:58,830 --> 00:48:00,050
OVVI is also our team.

578
00:48:01,250 --> 00:48:07,970
We had to exit our former situation under University of Hawaii, having physical sponsors

579
00:48:07,970 --> 00:48:12,270
over all these different years, working under government agencies, working independently

580
00:48:12,270 --> 00:48:20,590
became to be what seemed to me like the best solution, to have more freedom to work with

581
00:48:20,590 --> 00:48:25,810
funds that you can't get by working under fiscal sponsorships, so it has a lot of challenges

582
00:48:25,810 --> 00:48:31,650
and I've learned a lot more than I even want to about it, but I'm really grateful that we're here

583
00:48:31,650 --> 00:48:37,090
now and we have a lot still to learn, but we've also our people, our board, our volunteers,

584
00:48:38,310 --> 00:48:42,990
all the partners that make it work. We can run through some of this stuff quicker, but we've been

585
00:48:42,990 --> 00:48:48,950
able to secure more money, bigger grants, purchase vehicles in a timely manner, hold leases,

586
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:55,070
hold rights of entry that enable us to access funding to help incentivize work on a lot of

587
00:48:55,070 --> 00:49:01,510
the private lands. Now looking at this map, these are kind of all the resources in the areas

588
00:49:01,510 --> 00:49:11,050
that we work in. So it's very spread out, it's a lot of space, it's a huge task and we're honored

589
00:49:11,050 --> 00:49:12,070
to be a part of it.

590
00:49:14,490 --> 00:49:21,630
So I'm just going to go through each of these sites quickly as they relate

591
00:49:21,630 --> 00:49:31,510
to a seeder said in Ulu Cloud, it comes together over the tip of where Poo Uma Hoi is, and so

592
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:34,450
this is exactly where this landscape sits.

593
00:49:36,090 --> 00:49:40,570
So starting at Poo Uma Hoi, this is on the Poo Uma Hoi land, 236 acres.

594
00:49:40,810 --> 00:49:44,310
This is some of the last and best Willie-Willie forest left on Maui.

595
00:49:45,630 --> 00:49:52,290
populations of endangered species, there are archaeological sites in there, and I think

596
00:49:52,290 --> 00:49:57,910
it's central to kind of, as Tina mentioned, making sure that the belt of restoration

597
00:49:57,910 --> 00:50:03,730
not only stays at that former watershed level of 3,500 feet and up, but that we really consider

598
00:50:03,730 --> 00:50:09,090
and work towards connecting areas that we have access to and that are protected down all

599
00:50:09,090 --> 00:50:10,970
the way to the coastline across to Koholabe.

600
00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:11,050
Okay.

601
00:50:11,890 --> 00:50:13,470
Kohnulu Ranch is another partner.

602
00:50:13,630 --> 00:50:17,550
They've done a ton of work to remove water and fence-off areas.

603
00:50:18,010 --> 00:50:23,990
You can see a lot of you're familiar with the catastrophic flooding that happens sometimes

604
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:27,390
and the erosion and sediment that comes down slope.

605
00:50:28,070 --> 00:50:36,850
So they're tasked with an immense amount of water, which is an invasive vacatia, sadly it's

606
00:50:36,850 --> 00:50:38,010
a relative of COA.

607
00:50:38,010 --> 00:50:45,570
So, um, we look at replacing that in case you replace it, you know, getting rid of one and putting in another, but that's going to be a huge amount of work.

608
00:50:46,210 --> 00:50:57,850
And with a single species dominating in area, there's not a lot of understory, so all that rainwater just sheets off, pulls the soil with it, doesn't recharge aquifers and it is detrimental.

609
00:50:59,870 --> 00:51:05,110
While Huley, this is a pretty new project, private landowner, we're excited to work with.

610
00:51:05,290 --> 00:51:06,150
We've got a lot of planting.

611
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:07,050
We're going to start here.

612
00:51:07,870 --> 00:51:10,830
Wulu Polychlor Ranch, they're a founder of the partnership as well.

613
00:51:11,410 --> 00:51:16,630
They've been a leader from the very beginning, establishing a what he's allowing art and all

614
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:19,270
the different partners to come and do a trial plot there.

615
00:51:19,790 --> 00:51:22,750
But they want to do more, they really want to do more.

616
00:51:22,850 --> 00:51:26,910
And actually I found this picture this morning, this was in 2014, I was actually flying

617
00:51:26,910 --> 00:51:31,930
in the helicopter to work and took that picture. So I needed one. And it was on this very day

618
00:51:31,930 --> 00:51:38,550
in 2014. So I was grateful for that. And it was a good reminder of the things that we still want

619
00:51:38,550 --> 00:51:45,990
to do. There's a lot of projects that still need to be completed or started. DT Fleming

620
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:52,850
Arboretum at Pooh-Mohoi. Uncle David's here today. He's just a precious resource and fearless leader.

621
00:51:52,850 --> 00:51:59,470
Um, managing this critically important area, it's a refuge for many unique, unique,

622
00:51:59,470 --> 00:52:04,570
endemic, native species, and he allows so much education and engagement.

623
00:52:04,990 --> 00:52:10,850
Um, it's really a beautiful place that I'm just beginning to, to work with again and understand.

624
00:52:10,850 --> 00:52:15,710
And so I'm really grateful for that. We had a group of KS students come up, a group from the K

625
00:52:15,710 --> 00:52:21,430
Alani. It's just a really, it's nice to have an accessible location, um, with such special

626
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:23,670
ecological treasures that we can share.

627
00:52:24,430 --> 00:52:26,730
Canal Natural Area Reserve, we work with the state here.

628
00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:29,070
Mostly controlling Baconia right now.

629
00:52:29,170 --> 00:52:31,430
It's one of the worst weeds on that slope.

630
00:52:31,630 --> 00:52:35,470
So we've killed Baconia across over 119 acres so far.

631
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:38,390
And that natural area reserve, he cannot,

632
00:52:38,530 --> 00:52:40,850
it's an area that we have a right of entry to,

633
00:52:40,970 --> 00:52:42,590
but we don't work down there yet.

634
00:52:42,830 --> 00:52:44,350
But I think it's something that,

635
00:52:44,770 --> 00:52:47,190
should this initiative really be taken on,

636
00:52:47,310 --> 00:52:49,790
we'd like to do more work there and support the state's efforts

637
00:52:49,790 --> 00:52:51,470
and leadership in that area.

638
00:52:53,010 --> 00:52:55,530
It's again, just visually, you can see

639
00:52:55,530 --> 00:52:57,230
that it's central to this whole initiative.

640
00:52:59,350 --> 00:53:00,590
Digital Tokyo, you can hear you're

641
00:53:00,590 --> 00:53:02,350
going to hear about that a little bit more,

642
00:53:02,510 --> 00:53:05,770
but this is the heart of what's

643
00:53:05,770 --> 00:53:07,390
left of Leeward-Halliakala.

644
00:53:07,570 --> 00:53:09,690
This is where the best remaining intact forest is.

645
00:53:10,410 --> 00:53:11,750
It's on Hawaiian homelands.

646
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:13,110
They have an entire moku.

647
00:53:14,170 --> 00:53:16,930
That's within Department of Hawaiian Homelands ownership.

648
00:53:16,930 --> 00:53:18,530
So it's a huge opportunity.

649
00:53:19,870 --> 00:53:21,550
4,500 acres of fence.

650
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:23,330
We're working in smaller units right now.

651
00:53:24,930 --> 00:53:26,570
You'll hear more about that later.

652
00:53:28,210 --> 00:53:30,510
Nakhul-Nashir Air Reserve is next over.

653
00:53:31,310 --> 00:53:35,590
That's an area that has been central to developing

654
00:53:35,590 --> 00:53:36,590
restoration techniques.

655
00:53:37,230 --> 00:53:41,990
We built this small one-acre fence area, the square here,

656
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:45,670
to develop different planting spacing for Khoan-Alii.

657
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:51,310
I think we did that in like 2007, and then after that, the NAR was built.

658
00:53:51,790 --> 00:53:57,710
And so you can see just behind that, the forest starting to fill in, now it's even filled

659
00:53:57,710 --> 00:53:57,890
in.

660
00:53:57,910 --> 00:54:01,470
More you can really tell the difference between inside and outside the fences.

661
00:54:03,150 --> 00:54:04,110
It's inspiring.

662
00:54:04,650 --> 00:54:06,970
The Canary Forest Reserve is next to the east.

663
00:54:07,450 --> 00:54:08,310
This is in that area.

664
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:13,870
It's even more degraded, and you can clearly see how much actual just natural regeneration

665
00:54:13,870 --> 00:54:20,010
and comes in. There's a lot of planting that goes on here, too, and we have to keep adding

666
00:54:20,010 --> 00:54:24,730
biodiversity in places that are so eroded like this. But it really does make a difference,

667
00:54:24,730 --> 00:54:31,510
even within five years. This type of re-vegetation can be accomplished.

668
00:54:32,570 --> 00:54:38,690
New Malca, Andy Graham is also a board member. He's one of the strongest leaders in conservation

669
00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:43,570
on Maui. I believe he took on building a huge fence and probably the most rugged

670
00:54:43,570 --> 00:54:49,810
difficult terrain I've ever seen and heightened and worked in. He's really

671
00:54:49,810 --> 00:54:55,290
inspiring and supportive and he's also given us a nursery. A greenhouse allowed

672
00:54:55,290 --> 00:55:00,210
us to develop a seed farm here. Despite all the challenges he maintains

673
00:55:00,210 --> 00:55:05,450
positivity and belief that it's important that we do this work and everybody plays a

674
00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:11,050
role. We're really involved in outreach. That's something I'm proud of with

675
00:55:11,050 --> 00:55:17,970
We really stay tight with our community and we've been able to do more and more with the amazing team that I have.

676
00:55:18,550 --> 00:55:20,130
Some of them are in the audience right now.

677
00:55:21,070 --> 00:55:26,170
I'm really grateful to work with each and every one of them and it's been fun to see the things that we do now.

678
00:55:26,350 --> 00:55:28,870
I mean a golf tournament. I'm terrible at golf.

679
00:55:29,330 --> 00:55:35,810
I never thought that'd be something we participated in, but it's been really fun to be a part of that.

680
00:55:35,810 --> 00:55:39,970
We've done some dinners with the Kenna Art Projects.

681
00:55:40,050 --> 00:55:42,810
We have AMEOU Services come up.

682
00:55:42,990 --> 00:55:45,190
This top picture was a group of college students

683
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:47,490
from Altairoa that came to learn from us.

684
00:55:48,030 --> 00:55:50,770
So we're just really grateful to have the freedom

685
00:55:50,770 --> 00:55:52,630
to engage with our community.

686
00:55:53,310 --> 00:55:54,690
Education's essential for us.

687
00:55:55,450 --> 00:55:56,530
I just had a baby.

688
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:59,710
She flew in my belly until six months pregnant

689
00:55:59,710 --> 00:56:01,730
when I could barely zip up my flight suit.

690
00:56:02,250 --> 00:56:04,690
So she's going to be another warrior for the mountain.

691
00:56:04,690 --> 00:56:11,830
But my family are all educators and public servants and this is very strongly

692
00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:16,410
important to me and it's really important to our team too and

693
00:56:17,610 --> 00:56:21,330
we're really proud to work with with our students. I think that's the most important thing.

694
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:26,290
One of the most important things we can do. We've also been able to work with some private businesses

695
00:56:26,290 --> 00:56:33,130
is Kia Hawai'i. They developed some of the best top notch technology to assess ungulate

696
00:56:33,130 --> 00:56:40,890
populations using heat sensing cameras. They can really detect each, you know, each

697
00:56:40,890 --> 00:56:46,770
number of individual types of species. And they were able to get that meat able to

698
00:56:46,770 --> 00:56:52,510
be fit for public consumption. There, I think the only company still in Maui that's able

699
00:56:52,510 --> 00:56:56,270
able to do that to take wild me and have it a provide

700
00:56:56,270 --> 00:56:59,110
Department of Health and made available to the community.

701
00:56:59,290 --> 00:57:01,490
So they're turning in invasive species into a resource.

702
00:57:02,130 --> 00:57:06,150
And even more so after the Lahina fires, they started the

703
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:09,550
HoloI program that we're blessed to be able to support.

704
00:57:10,050 --> 00:57:14,650
And we provide, I think by the end of 2024, it was over

705
00:57:14,650 --> 00:57:17,130
16,000 pounds of deer.

706
00:57:17,650 --> 00:57:20,210
That's all from harvested, mostly from Lywood,

707
00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:27,870
and removing a threat from our ranchers and our agricultural producers and our forest and turning that into free food for the community.

708
00:57:28,350 --> 00:57:32,790
In this book, man, we have three more speakers, so are you closely wrapping up?

709
00:57:33,770 --> 00:57:33,970
Yes.

710
00:57:34,370 --> 00:57:34,670
Thank you.

711
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:35,790
Details matter.

712
00:57:36,690 --> 00:57:38,270
We've got over 80,000 plants.

713
00:57:38,270 --> 00:57:38,890
We're going to plant.

714
00:57:39,950 --> 00:57:43,030
And this is our slide about some of our costs.

715
00:57:44,570 --> 00:57:46,530
This work is expensive.

716
00:57:47,170 --> 00:57:55,270
It's remote helicopter time, seedlings, so we're looking at one camping trip to go camp

717
00:57:55,270 --> 00:58:00,030
in the mountain is $30,000 with a crew of six helicopter time and seedlings.

718
00:58:00,730 --> 00:58:07,990
So prices keep going up and I just want to be straightforward about, you know, as much

719
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:15,550
as a nonprofit can do to cut corners and be economically responsible, it's just very expensive

720
00:58:15,550 --> 00:58:20,070
work if you want it done right and the long-term maintenance and everything that's also involved,

721
00:58:20,070 --> 00:58:26,810
so hopefully we can talk more about that. But I'm going to pass on to Akua. He is on our board

722
00:58:26,810 --> 00:58:29,530
and he has just a few other things to share.

723
00:58:33,540 --> 00:58:35,840
Aloha Kakaakioka, everyone. My name is Akua Po.

724
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:42,740
As Andrew mentioned, I am a board member of UUVI and a very long-term resident of Kauikinui.

725
00:58:44,380 --> 00:58:49,680
I've been out there since I was a little kid and have watched the progression of the

726
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:50,700
reforestation efforts.

727
00:58:50,980 --> 00:58:58,340
But before I go into this, I just want to give a quick emphasis as to how important it

728
00:58:58,340 --> 00:58:59,480
is that we do this.

729
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:05,140
Some of the photos that you saw show the barren grassland with a small fenced enclosure

730
00:59:05,140 --> 00:59:08,520
next to it that's thick and lush with native plant life.

731
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:13,780
That will you buy that Andrea mentioned, that cloud that collects on the mountain.

732
00:59:14,340 --> 00:59:21,180
It doesn't necessarily rain in the open areas, but when you stand underneath these trees,

733
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,300
the old coas that are still there and the new ones that are planted on

734
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:30,160
pouring water,

735
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,920
where outside of the tree in the open grassland area, it's bone dry.

736
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:45,500
So, all of these different areas that Andrew pointed out are a small contribution to the greater picture of reviving this cloud, right?

737
00:59:45,660 --> 00:59:49,900
The more trees we have, the more water falls, the better for the land.

738
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:58,100
It's as simple as that, but my portion of this is really to emphasize as a small business owner and

739
00:59:58,100 --> 00:59:59,960
someone that lives in that-

740
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,980
We need elevation where the clouds come. To make this happen, we need immediate resources to work. For us to produce a viable amount of native plants to propagate and put in the mountain, we need water at the base yard. We need electricity. We need a large functioning green and shade house. And all of these things require stable funding. And long-term leases to know that we can continue this work.

741
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:32,060
work to make it viable.

742
01:00:33,740 --> 01:00:38,760
Every small thing that we do will contribute to the bigger goal, you know, like I said, this

743
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,640
is a multi-generational goal to restore the not-ulu cloud.

744
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:50,380
But I truly believe that by taking it one small step at a time, you know, through all of

745
01:00:50,380 --> 01:00:54,600
these different groups, all of our collaborated effort, we can achieve it.

746
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,880
So we appreciate anyone's support.

747
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:01,800
We appreciate the council having us here today, and I just want to say it can be done.

748
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:07,820
You can literally see the water falling in the areas where we plant the trees.

749
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:10,320
That's my portion.

750
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:11,460
You guys follow, everybody.

751
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:17,640
Aloha, Mike.

752
01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:19,060
Aloha, Mekako.

753
01:01:19,380 --> 01:01:23,240
I'm a Lama Farm President of Kaohana, Okaikinui.

754
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:29,380
I'm here today in support of Ujivai and their reforestation efforts.

755
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:43,900
I'm also here to highlight a little bit about our community to give you perspective of residents that live in the Nauulu restoration area

756
01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:51,480
and to give you perspective on our mindset as independent home status.

757
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:58,640
We are descendants of Hawaiian homeland pioneers dedicated to protecting and restoring our moku.

758
01:01:59,620 --> 01:02:09,380
I always have to pay tribute to the founders of Kaikinui, the ones that pushed to open up the island for us.

759
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:15,660
Many generations of us to benefit from, so always mahalo to the Kaikinui pioneers.

760
01:02:15,660 --> 01:02:16,740
give

761
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:25,460
you perspective, we have a very independent mindset because we're so remote.

762
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:33,160
We have completed three county grants, we received a fourth, and I wanted to give

763
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:38,720
Amahalo to Eukilei to give more of her, always being very supportive of our community.

764
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:49,380
To give you an example of what we do, we have such a strong volunteer base with 25,000

765
01:02:49,380 --> 01:02:57,400
dollars we're able to enclose this community center next and here's a small

766
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:06,480
picture of volunteers the $25,000 was 100% just for materials and then all the

767
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,560
labor is free and this is pretty much how we approach all our projects.

768
01:03:13,130 --> 01:03:13,590
I'm

769
01:03:13,590 --> 01:03:19,690
gonna highlight you know what we're going after as a independent water source

770
01:03:20,410 --> 01:03:25,490
And this is a fall drip project that's been been in years in the making, but right now

771
01:03:25,490 --> 01:03:26,490
it's at our doorstep.

772
01:03:26,730 --> 01:03:34,590
We have all the money to facilitate construction and implementation.

773
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:37,490
We bought 90% of the materials.

774
01:03:38,450 --> 01:03:46,690
This structure here is a 24 by 24 receptacle where water tanks are in this structure and this

775
01:03:46,690 --> 01:03:49,290
will receive the fall drip once it's installed.

776
01:03:49,970 --> 01:03:53,630
and this was through a DHHL grant and a county grant.

777
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:56,970
So this phase, phase one is completed.

778
01:03:57,470 --> 01:03:59,250
We're currently working on phase two.

779
01:04:01,850 --> 01:04:06,270
We recently received, we're part of a Maui Hikina cohort,

780
01:04:07,490 --> 01:04:12,130
Holani Hanung, and we received $150,000 from them.

781
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:17,410
So we're earmarked and geared up to do construction.

782
01:04:17,410 --> 01:04:21,470
And we're just waiting for a few administrative things from the HHL.

783
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:31,930
Here's a schematic of an overland, it's kind of hard to see, but on the bottom left is the fog-drip catchment area.

784
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:39,110
And there's a thousand foot elevation between the structure, the water tank structure, and the catchment area.

785
01:04:39,110 --> 01:04:48,210
and order to have an overland pipeline of a few thousand feet of pipe that'll go towards the water tank structure.

786
01:04:49,030 --> 01:04:57,390
Data shows we have a weather station there and on an optimum day we can collect 2,000 gallons of water per day.

787
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:07,300
We're also working on a DLNR fire mitigation corridor in collaboration with them.

788
01:05:07,300 --> 01:05:14,500
The proposal is to build a fire corridor from our main gate out towards Kabul, a 300-foot

789
01:05:14,500 --> 01:05:20,800
white buffer to, and then we're going to put grazing animals in the corridor to address

790
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:21,640
fire mitigation.

791
01:05:25,340 --> 01:05:33,500
This all leads us to supporting an UHIVI Reforestation Project, and that's we're looking at

792
01:05:33,500 --> 01:05:42,520
archaikinui moku and the area on the top left in purple is 4,500 acres. So we have a tremendous

793
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:50,400
opportunity to restore a huge portion of our mountain and we're approaching this through a

794
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:59,840
western lens and a cultural lens as we view our moku in a way like as a konohiki wood and it's

795
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:06,340
our responsibility to restore a moku and restore a watershed, and this all will affect us directly

796
01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:11,780
by having us have a sustainable, pure water source.

797
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,500
Also, like in a recent fire in August

798
01:06:17,500 --> 01:06:26,660
of this past year, that area circled in red highlights the density. This is a cultural sight map

799
01:06:26,660 --> 01:06:30,380
of different cultural archaeological studies

800
01:06:30,380 --> 01:06:31,720
that's been done in Kaikinui.

801
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:33,600
So the area in red,

802
01:06:33,620 --> 01:06:38,000
you can see how dense the cultural sites are in that area.

803
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,220
This next slide is a little hard to see,

804
01:06:44,460 --> 01:06:47,940
but this is like a photogammatory area of view

805
01:06:47,940 --> 01:06:50,640
of Kaikinui in where the fire was.

806
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,880
The areas in blue are bulldozed paths.

807
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,880
And if you blow up the photo,

808
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:04,260
So you would be able to see all the historic structures in this area and near misses and

809
01:07:04,260 --> 01:07:06,380
unfortunately sites that were destroyed.

810
01:07:07,220 --> 01:07:13,200
So as a community, we're taking a stance to protect our community through buffer zones

811
01:07:13,700 --> 01:07:23,000
and fire breaks, but also not allowing any future bulldozers to come into this area because we

812
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,020
need to protect it.

813
01:07:25,940 --> 01:07:29,700
So lastly, just break up the ice a little bit.

814
01:07:30,020 --> 01:07:38,560
This guy might look a little familiar, but as you know, episode one for T-4-4 was filled

815
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:38,740
in.

816
01:07:38,820 --> 01:07:39,960
Can you follow him?

817
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:40,240
Wow.

818
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:41,200
That's fascinating.

819
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:42,820
Well, okay.

820
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:43,760
That was great.

821
01:07:44,020 --> 01:07:44,700
Is there any more?

822
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:48,190
Okay.

823
01:07:52,580 --> 01:07:56,220
We have about five more minutes, so if we can move this along?

824
01:07:56,220 --> 01:07:57,160
So

825
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:05,220
I'm doing a things look at the slides really well really fast again

826
01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:08,200
I'm Paul Higashino

827
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:13,320
Kola of Allen Reserve Commission. I've been working out there since first time 1978

828
01:08:14,070 --> 01:08:19,000
worked for a contractor for the military and the amount of change that's seen on Kola

829
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:25,080
has been a tremendous. Everyone contributes the destruction of the island to the military.

830
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,920
The island was gone before that.

831
01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:30,160
The cattle, the goats, the sheep.

832
01:08:33,060 --> 01:08:37,740
You know, again, sheep, the cattle, the goats introduced 1793.

833
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:41,760
The last one is to move on 1993, so 200 years.

834
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:47,660
And if we can get to my slides, I think what I want to focus and emphasize on is that,

835
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,860
you know, what happened to Cole Lave is happening to all the other islands.

836
01:08:52,860 --> 01:08:59,100
and it will. I look at Kauikinui. I look at, you know, from the deer on Maui from

837
01:08:59,100 --> 01:09:07,360
nine in 1959. Poole Kali. Now we're about 150,000. And when I first

838
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:12,460
undercoal Lava in 1978, the high water mark after heavy rains on the beaches

839
01:09:12,460 --> 01:09:18,900
was goat billets. And, you know, I'm sure that would be happening soon in many of

840
01:09:18,900 --> 01:09:25,240
our beaches for the tourists. Or, you know, were we like to, you know, go to and have, you know,

841
01:09:25,540 --> 01:09:34,720
take our families and, um, you know, um, yeah, I can't over stress the importance of the animals

842
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:43,200
on our islands. Again, once we lose our watersheds, we lose everything. Um, as far as coal lobby

843
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:48,300
was a bombing range for 50 years, but it was military type of ordinance has been dropped on it.

844
01:09:48,300 --> 01:09:52,080
So, some of the activities we do out there are very limited.

845
01:09:53,060 --> 01:09:58,360
You know, we do support the cultural practices, the particular La Viejoana and other groups

846
01:09:58,360 --> 01:09:58,940
that come out.

847
01:09:59,500 --> 01:10:06,280
We support the opening and closing of Makahiki and as CJ talked about early, the Ipua

848
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:11,560
Kane, the rain ceremonies that we've been conducting on island since 1997.

849
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,600
We have three rain coals out there,

850
01:10:14,740 --> 01:10:17,600
Ipua Kane, Lihau Ula, and Lepua.

851
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:20,220
So our ceremonies are typically done,

852
01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:23,080
are done in every October.

853
01:10:24,460 --> 01:10:27,040
A lot of the, all of the plants that we use on Kola,

854
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,000
they are native-based or native plants

855
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,840
or Polynesian-based canoe plants.

856
01:10:34,460 --> 01:10:38,640
One of the biggest challenges for us is the hard pan

857
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:49,320
of the argument of 20, 8,000 acres plus about 13,000 is just like asphalt and with this potential

858
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:56,320
funding that we may be getting to reestablish the Oulu Cloud Bridge, most of our area would be

859
01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:04,500
in areas where we cannot dig the holes at all. So it's actually pretty easy planting without digging.

860
01:11:05,300 --> 01:11:11,520
Again, these areas, the level of ordinance clearance was just surface, so there's still

861
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:16,940
a lot of potential ordinance underground, so that's some of our limitation.

862
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:19,800
Just go through the slides really fast.

863
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,480
York so bombing range,

864
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:24,900
good next one, Andrea.

865
01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:28,660
I think staff is working on that.

866
01:11:28,660 --> 01:11:29,320
Okay, okay.

867
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:38,580
So, Kolawe, receipt commission under this DLNR keep going, 2600 acres,

868
01:11:41,140 --> 01:11:43,180
the cultural importance

869
01:11:43,180 --> 01:11:49,140
of the island, artifacts, the ads quarry, we support a lot of cultural activities, the

870
01:11:49,140 --> 01:11:54,220
Hokulea, the Polynesian Voice Society, Military Use of the Island,

871
01:11:56,930 --> 01:11:57,690
I think what helped

872
01:11:57,690 --> 01:12:02,050
us, you know, we come up with different plans, a use plan for the island.

873
01:12:02,830 --> 01:12:07,550
What areas are we going to focus on for clearance, what areas are we going to use?

874
01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:08,330
Okay, next.

875
01:12:11,130 --> 01:12:17,370
As a level of clearance, yellow is surface cleared, red on cleared, green on the only areas

876
01:12:17,370 --> 01:12:20,630
that we can, you know, dig in, okay,

877
01:12:23,420 --> 01:12:26,580
risk management plan, you know, how to minimize risk

878
01:12:26,580 --> 01:12:35,590
from the island because besides the bombs on the island next is getting people there that's how

879
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:42,610
we get people to the island. Landing craft on our landing craft we take the volunteers out to

880
01:12:42,610 --> 01:12:52,380
colavi and staff and with that next we have a base camp we provide all our own supplier own energy

881
01:12:52,380 --> 01:12:55,880
be out there, photovoltaics, produce our own water.

882
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,380
We are able to run, keep volunteer safe

883
01:12:59,380 --> 01:13:00,900
and house out there.

884
01:13:02,940 --> 01:13:05,280
The different plans that we do have on the island,

885
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,760
the ocean plan, restoration, cultural plan,

886
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:13,010
cultural plan, again supporting

887
01:13:13,010 --> 01:13:15,570
our native Hawaiian practices,

888
01:13:17,070 --> 01:13:19,910
Makahiki, the Equal Connirane Ceremonies.

889
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:24,790
Ocean program monitoring and protecting our ocean resources.

890
01:13:25,890 --> 01:13:32,490
And some of the erosion that we have to deal with, the mass amounts of runoff after heavy rains,

891
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:35,960
windy erosion,

892
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:43,560
and that's a lot of the area that the potential funding we're looking

893
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:48,800
for would be trying to bring back or plant those type of areas.

894
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:49,040
Yes,

895
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,920
we have a facilities, we have a water catchment.

896
01:13:55,580 --> 01:13:57,360
Right now, we are working with the county

897
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,560
on developing a water and development plan for the island.

898
01:14:02,820 --> 01:14:04,600
You know, native plants, you know,

899
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,680
there's a lot more plants that we do use besides that handful.

900
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:08,480
Okay,

901
01:14:10,610 --> 01:14:14,290
and again, just creating the cloud bridge, you know,

902
01:14:15,250 --> 01:14:17,150
the halea cloth and the distance.

903
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,100
And just, you know, some of the results of our planting,

904
01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:28,200
where this area we could not dig at all, but fairly successful.

905
01:14:30,020 --> 01:14:34,700
Again, using the resources that we have out there, what are the Polynesians use?

906
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:41,080
What are people from centuries ago done to establish plants in difficult areas, a pile of rocks?

907
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,180
And again, just some of the other areas that we worked in,

908
01:14:45,340 --> 01:14:50,560
we threw out rocks, threw out seed, and occasional watering, walking away.

909
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:50,640
Okay.

910
01:14:52,340 --> 01:14:58,360
In some of the monitoring we do, the measure results, sorry, the erosion, water infiltration,

911
01:14:58,980 --> 01:14:59,960
rates into...

912
01:15:10,540 --> 01:15:11,040
Okay.

913
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:22,720
Okay. Biggest thing is a fire on the island right now, the 2020 fires, but burned island about 10,000 acres.

914
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:31,680
Again, we're working with Dopha. They're helping us put in a fire apron. So to protect our infrastructure.

915
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,760
structure on the island, rocky friends around our key infrastructure.

916
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:43,640
So far, about 25,000 volunteers over the last 30 years roughly, about half a million plants.

917
01:15:44,180 --> 01:15:47,840
We're going to hit a few bombs, none have gone off, fortunately, yet.

918
01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:52,060
Okay, in the future.

919
01:15:54,340 --> 01:15:55,380
Thank you, Mahalo.

920
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:57,540
Thank you so much, Mr. Higashino.

921
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:03,840
Well, is it that's the end of the presenters for now, yeah, Ms.

922
01:16:04,300 --> 01:16:06,840
I had one more presenter that couldn't be here.

923
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,980
I have just a couple of slides from Dr. John Price about some of the science-based direction

924
01:16:10,980 --> 01:16:11,840
of the restoration.

925
01:16:12,260 --> 01:16:12,960
Do I have a few minutes?

926
01:16:14,060 --> 01:16:14,380
Okay.

927
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:19,480
We'll try to make it a little quicker so we can get through our agenda.

928
01:16:26,780 --> 01:16:29,280
Basically, Dr. John Price works for UH Hilo.

929
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,740
So he's been a long time colleague and collaborator.

930
01:16:32,100 --> 01:16:36,860
He will be available as a resource to the council and

931
01:16:36,860 --> 01:16:41,760
is going to be a partner for us and all this restoration work for years to come.

932
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:42,580
Thank you.

933
01:16:48,090 --> 01:16:48,250
Okay.

934
01:16:48,610 --> 01:16:48,850
Perfect.

935
01:16:49,470 --> 01:16:52,190
So these slides are some of the things he's prepared.

936
01:16:52,370 --> 01:16:56,030
He looks at climate change, restoration on Hawaii Island.

937
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:58,790
He is like I said, a professor at UH Hilo.

938
01:16:59,550 --> 01:17:01,830
So this looks at rainfall right now.

939
01:17:01,830 --> 01:17:05,890
And if you see the area we're looking at, it's all in the orange for the most part.

940
01:17:06,050 --> 01:17:09,570
So this is extremely dry, these are millimeters of water.

941
01:17:10,190 --> 01:17:17,930
So extremely, extremely dry, very difficult to restore even in, you know, even when you

942
01:17:17,930 --> 01:17:19,890
do have access to water, it's very difficult.

943
01:17:20,430 --> 01:17:22,030
This is the cloud cover though.

944
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:26,690
So what we were trying to, what we would like to continue developing in partnership with

945
01:17:26,690 --> 01:17:33,810
him is to really look at the cloud cover. And if you look at this in that same area, it's

946
01:17:33,810 --> 01:17:40,350
very high level precipitation. So, we have a lot of access to water, like through fog

947
01:17:40,350 --> 01:17:45,590
drip interception, which is how COA evolved, which is how most of our leeward rainforest

948
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:51,410
or ecosystems get their rain and their water. So, you know, we were just going to continue

949
01:17:51,410 --> 01:17:57,850
to look at these maps and try to hone our restoration in order to best utilize the cloud cover and help

950
01:17:58,890 --> 01:18:02,510
focus areas of restoration so it will benefit the cloud system the most.

951
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:13,460
Thank you. Let's see if Mr. De Silva is on is on the call from DLNR. Mr. De Silva, are you here?

952
01:18:14,020 --> 01:18:18,180
Sure. Sure. We haven't seen him. Okay. Well, you know, of course,

953
01:18:18,380 --> 01:18:22,140
they're always welcome to join us. But right now I just want to before we move forward,

954
01:18:22,140 --> 01:18:27,900
I want to talk about, you know, my office initiated this committee meeting, of course, and

955
01:18:27,900 --> 01:18:32,640
reached out to Andrea to find out how we can recreate in the Oulu Cloud Bridge, and are

956
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:34,600
very appreciative of the team that she's pulled together.

957
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:36,140
I look forward to working with her.

958
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:43,460
And I think this is where we need to be investing, and I'm planning to plant a seed for next

959
01:18:43,460 --> 01:18:44,120
year's budget.

960
01:18:44,420 --> 01:18:48,960
So members, in case you're wondering, look forward to this being, you know, a part of our

961
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:49,760
budget discussions.

962
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:59,160
So I just wanted to thank you guys for your excellent presentations and we're going to move on to the administration.

963
01:18:59,620 --> 01:19:01,640
We have a lot of folks here from the administration.

964
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:06,820
So we're just going to start with Deputy Director Peterson.

965
01:19:07,100 --> 01:19:11,360
Any comments on the slide on the Cloud Bridge or anything on this topic?

966
01:19:14,890 --> 01:19:15,750
Thank you.

967
01:19:17,470 --> 01:19:18,310
Thank you, Chair.

968
01:19:18,990 --> 01:19:19,430
Thank you.

969
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,660
Miss Buckman, some amazing work.

970
01:19:24,340 --> 01:19:32,860
it's a daunting task when you look at some of these maps and amazing work has

971
01:19:32,860 --> 01:19:40,340
been done but so much more to do so congratulations to what has been done

972
01:19:40,340 --> 01:19:47,520
and your team has done some excellent work there definitely something that

973
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:52,520
that resonated with me, Mr. Alizaris said is,

974
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,880
talking about bridges, not only the cloud bridge,

975
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,320
but bridging people and organizations,

976
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,020
that was something that really hit home for me.

977
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:08,040
And talking about the magnitude of this project,

978
01:20:09,140 --> 01:20:12,260
not one person or not one organization,

979
01:20:12,740 --> 01:20:16,680
not even just a county can get something like this done.

980
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:18,860
And so, you know, looking forward,

981
01:20:19,500 --> 01:20:21,780
DEM is looking forward to supporting

982
01:20:21,780 --> 01:20:26,560
and doing what we can to support your organization

983
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,560
and many of the organizations here.

984
01:20:34,430 --> 01:20:36,090
I'll turn it over to Cecil and William,

985
01:20:36,330 --> 01:20:37,590
if you have anything else you want to hear.

986
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:41,730
Cecil, William, from Department of Environmental Management

987
01:20:41,730 --> 01:20:43,230
and Sustainability Division.

988
01:20:43,410 --> 01:20:44,670
You guys have any opening remarks?

989
01:20:47,050 --> 01:20:48,750
Thank you, Deputy, thank you, Chair.

990
01:20:49,530 --> 01:20:55,170
Yes, we are very excited to partner with, and we have partnered with some folks already

991
01:20:56,030 --> 01:21:02,830
to re-establish this cloud rate, is interesting how so many different organizations and grantees

992
01:21:02,830 --> 01:21:10,270
are placed small parts in the big picture of what is needed to make this big venture happen.

993
01:21:11,050 --> 01:21:14,550
And we're here for the long haul, EPS has been growing.

994
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:36,510
our team is 13 strong now, and we are getting well-oiled machine ready for the next year's grant season, and a lot of the sustainability grants, wetland restoration grants, and green grants coincide with our climate action resiliency plan that is going to be updated.

995
01:21:36,510 --> 01:21:50,290
here soon to include these types of projects with water resources and natural protection of this project and other ones like it.

996
01:21:50,650 --> 01:21:51,230
Okay, thanks.

997
01:21:51,710 --> 01:21:52,590
Thank you so much.

998
01:22:01,050 --> 01:22:01,590
Hello everybody.

999
01:22:03,010 --> 01:22:06,690
I don't have too much to add to what Cecil already provided.

1000
01:22:07,390 --> 01:22:09,890
It's been a pleasure to meet a lot of you today so far.

1001
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:15,310
I will say that in, you know, and thank you, Andrea, for providing your presentation.

1002
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:23,150
As many of you might not know, the Climate Action Resiliency Plan was adopted, put into

1003
01:22:23,150 --> 01:22:25,290
county code back in 2022.

1004
01:22:26,350 --> 01:22:29,150
It looks like we're updating it about every five years.

1005
01:22:29,790 --> 01:22:35,030
And part of what was placed in the ordinance through the county was including native Hawaiian

1006
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:37,890
knowledge and practices, which is something that needs to be integrated.

1007
01:22:37,890 --> 01:22:43,630
and at the forefront, as well as rooting things in the best available science.

1008
01:22:44,050 --> 01:22:47,610
So I appreciate your presentation where it combines those two together.

1009
01:22:48,650 --> 01:22:53,850
And so, I mean, hopefully the people that are updating this climate act resiliency plan

1010
01:22:53,850 --> 01:22:58,150
in the coming year will talk to people like you, watershed partnerships, and so forth.

1011
01:22:58,970 --> 01:23:03,350
I'm very curious to read the science behind what you've developed to date.

1012
01:23:04,030 --> 01:23:05,410
That's all I really have to add though.

1013
01:23:05,410 --> 01:23:08,210
Okay. Thank you, Mr. Jay. Appreciate that.

1014
01:23:09,190 --> 01:23:20,890
Let's move on to Mr. Hart, any comments from the Department of Management or Office of Recovery and just to let everybody know in advance I'm going to call on Director Molly Toward for you and then direct your stuff will be so we can just get them.

1015
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:26,430
Thank you very much to all the presenters, there was a lot of great information.

1016
01:23:27,130 --> 01:23:32,850
The office of recovery does have two projects in the Lahaina long-term recovery plan that relate to this.

1017
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:42,130
They're not directly in the Honua-Ula area, but they're abutting in the Kula-Moku and also in Lahaina.

1018
01:23:42,350 --> 01:23:49,510
There's a re-vegetating and reforestation of Lahaina and Kula and there's a Y in watershed planning within the Lahaina and Kula-Mokus.

1019
01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:56,530
And so we're preparing to pursue those, and I look forward to collaborating with all of you as we have to do those.

1020
01:23:57,350 --> 01:24:09,390
And I also add that, you know, my office and myself, I like collaborating with the departments and working with you, with everybody here at this table so we can all, you know, not work in silos and one team, one dream, right?

1021
01:24:10,010 --> 01:24:17,650
Okay, let's move on to Director Moli-Tao, any comments from the Department of Resources? Good morning, Director.

1022
01:24:28,130 --> 01:24:35,570
Thank you very much for the presentation. I will say this. This presentation and this conversation

1023
01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:42,610
reminds me of a conversation, my time with Carl O'Leary Reserve Commission alongside with

1024
01:24:43,950 --> 01:24:51,210
point of the amount of years that this conversation has been happening and the amount of work that

1025
01:24:51,210 --> 01:25:04,490
has entailed you if you know Paul, he is one that is an amazing land store and a person that

1026
01:25:04,490 --> 01:25:13,670
is fundamental in the Reforestation and Planting of INA, and so when we talk about this particular

1027
01:25:13,670 --> 01:25:21,490
conversation of bringing back no Cloud Bank and that particular manifestation from one

1028
01:25:21,490 --> 01:25:32,910
cultural perspective, I would highly suggest from this OEV lens that we look at OLE and we look at

1029
01:25:32,910 --> 01:25:42,250
traditional chance and oratory of history as a roadmap that can continue to help bring this

1030
01:25:42,250 --> 01:25:51,330
cloud bank down with the needed spaces of forests that needs to not only be brought down from the

1031
01:25:51,330 --> 01:25:58,270
moana but also brought up from a cave and so when we're thinking about bringing this particular

1032
01:25:58,270 --> 01:26:14,350
I'll bridge back in in a long length conversation. I think both go hand in hand. So looking at one world without both from a mountain perspective down as well as a multi perspective up is is something that I would like to include in the conversation.

1033
01:26:16,090 --> 01:26:17,530
Well said, Director Mollietao.

1034
01:26:18,290 --> 01:26:19,270
Really appreciate your comments.

1035
01:26:20,230 --> 01:26:22,950
Okay, let's move on to Director Stoffelbeen.

1036
01:26:22,970 --> 01:26:24,070
He just turned his camera on.

1037
01:26:24,290 --> 01:26:26,530
Any comments from the Department of Water Spide Director?

1038
01:26:26,650 --> 01:26:27,170
Good to see you.

1039
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:30,560
Good morning. Good to see you.

1040
01:26:30,860 --> 01:26:32,600
Yes, this is very, very interesting.

1041
01:26:33,060 --> 01:26:36,240
I did like to comment about taking advantage of the wisdom

1042
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,720
from both the cultural perspective and the Western perspective

1043
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:41,200
in blending those together and making the best solutions.

1044
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:41,860
That was great.

1045
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:43,940
This is a really good compliment.

1046
01:26:43,940 --> 01:26:49,120
as you know we do about 4% of our budget goes to watershed restoration and watershed protection

1047
01:26:49,700 --> 01:26:53,820
and you know we can't do it in this area because there's no access to any of our current water supplies.

1048
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:56,060
So this is a great comp connected

1049
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,220
to a one moment director I got a little internet issue

1050
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:13,400
seems okay I think can everybody hear us everybody else online you guys can okay I think we're good

1051
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:19,200
to go please continue beg your pardon director. I was almost done I just I just say that you know

1052
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:22,120
Again, I think it's a great compliment to the work that we're doing in the watersheds

1053
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:23,980
that are connected to our water system.

1054
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:26,840
So we're supporting and looking forward to seeing some positive results.

1055
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:32,100
You know, I do think that the watershed protection work and restoration work that we're doing

1056
01:27:32,100 --> 01:27:34,220
is probably the most important thing that we are doing.

1057
01:27:34,580 --> 01:27:36,660
It's just longer term than the other stuff.

1058
01:27:36,940 --> 01:27:37,460
So thank you.

1059
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:38,180
That's right.

1060
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:38,940
Well said, Director.

1061
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:39,440
Exactly.

1062
01:27:40,740 --> 01:27:41,180
Okay.

1063
01:27:41,580 --> 01:27:47,000
So we also have from OED, Chantal Rowland if she's on the call.

1064
01:27:47,660 --> 01:27:56,780
We will curious about her comments from OED and how we can develop our Kamaiana economy to include green jobs that will support the reviving of the Oulu Cloud Bridge.

1065
01:27:57,480 --> 01:27:59,040
Mr. Rowland, are you on the call?

1066
01:28:02,650 --> 01:28:04,010
Sure, we don't see her right now.

1067
01:28:04,350 --> 01:28:08,390
Okay, all right, well, all right, let's move on.

1068
01:28:08,550 --> 01:28:09,430
I think that's everybody.

1069
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:11,470
I didn't miss any departments or anybody.

1070
01:28:11,550 --> 01:28:13,010
I don't see that I missed anyone.

1071
01:28:13,010 --> 01:28:17,970
We're going to move on to public testimony just for

1072
01:28:17,970 --> 01:28:19,830
adept one, parentheses one.

1073
01:28:20,210 --> 01:28:23,350
At this time, if there's anyone wishing to testify on this item,

1074
01:28:24,130 --> 01:28:27,770
please use your raise your hand function and you will be called upon the testifying staff.

1075
01:28:27,890 --> 01:28:29,050
Is there anyone wishing to testify?

1076
01:28:29,610 --> 01:28:32,870
Chair, the only individual currently signed to testify is Richard Kikivi.

1077
01:28:33,730 --> 01:28:36,410
Mr. Kikivi, are you ready to testify?

1078
01:28:51,300 --> 01:28:53,000
Aloha, my name is Richard Kikivi.

1079
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:56,400
I am a Lineal Descendant of the backside.

1080
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,160
I'm just here as a community member.

1081
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:00,280
I say Lennial Descendants of the backside,

1082
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:02,680
because my grandpa, my great grandpa is from Kabul,

1083
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:04,620
my great grandma is from a volcano.

1084
01:29:04,940 --> 01:29:06,400
So, all of it will be cool.

1085
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:08,340
I was raised on the ranches,

1086
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,200
Kanaulu, all of it will be cool.

1087
01:29:10,500 --> 01:29:11,860
But I'm just here to speak for myself.

1088
01:29:12,340 --> 01:29:14,400
And I didn't graduate college,

1089
01:29:14,660 --> 01:29:15,840
so this is an experience in the expertise.

1090
01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:18,100
But in 2009, I graduated.

1091
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:20,300
There was seven natural areas there at the time.

1092
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:23,000
We added Nikula in there, and then I was there.

1093
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:24,420
I got the opportunity to be there

1094
01:29:24,420 --> 01:29:26,080
in the very beginning and see all of that.

1095
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:33,120
But when we first started, we started with the 420 we called it, it was 428 acres, that's

1096
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:33,780
the historic forest.

1097
01:29:34,460 --> 01:29:38,580
We fence that off first, eradicate the animals, start out planting from there, and then we just

1098
01:29:38,580 --> 01:29:39,040
expanded.

1099
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:43,540
I don't know how many hundred thousand plants were put up there, but hundreds of thousands

1100
01:29:43,540 --> 01:29:44,440
of plants were put up there.

1101
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:50,040
Recently, I had the opportunity to go back to that area and walk the fences, and it was just

1102
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:54,400
so beautiful, like seeing these triple overhead claws that we planted, and it was all grassland

1103
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:55,340
and when I first went there,

1104
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:56,820
hundreds of thousands of goats,

1105
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:58,920
and just you could smell the nitrogen

1106
01:29:58,920 --> 01:29:59,960
coming out of the slur.

1107
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:27,980
And it's like, to know that we did it, we made a difference. I chaired up, I cried. So I just want to say I support Creakingway Restoration before our station. And with this initiative, you guys have the opportunity to do more than I could in 16 years. So thank you, guys. Thank you, Gabe, for starting this. And I believe that Creakingway is that missing link. There's Honnevie has all this moisture. We bring that moisture around the mountain. It will shoot across to Calave, from Calave.

1108
01:30:27,980 --> 01:30:37,960
I'll go to Malakai, it'll reach Pukui, it's all one, you know, and thank you guys for this consideration, that's all I got to say.

1109
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:46,080
Let me see if we have any clarifying questions from our members, but I don't, but I really appreciate your testimony, thank you so much.

1110
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:47,620
Thank you guys, I'll break something, too.

1111
01:30:48,100 --> 01:30:48,680
Okay, great.

1112
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:52,300
We have any other testifiers?

1113
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:55,340
Chair James Langford signed up for the summit of the item as well.

1114
01:30:58,920 --> 01:30:59,400
Mr. Langford.

1115
01:30:59,600 --> 01:30:59,620
Hi.

1116
01:31:00,300 --> 01:31:12,460
I updated some grants for the projects being presented today on the Facebook page.

1117
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:18,400
And they should help actualize another 2.5 million for these projects.

1118
01:31:21,420 --> 01:31:22,660
Thank you for that.

1119
01:31:23,100 --> 01:31:24,500
Any clarifying questions, members?

1120
01:31:24,660 --> 01:31:25,080
I see none.

1121
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:27,040
Thank you for your testimony, Minister Langford.

1122
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:28,760
Staff, do we have any more testifiers?

1123
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:32,180
Chair, staff has not received any further request for testimony.

1124
01:31:32,440 --> 01:31:33,600
Would you like us to do a last call?

1125
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:35,860
Last call for any testifiers?

1126
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:36,880
Seeing none.

1127
01:31:37,420 --> 01:31:43,200
Members, any objections to our now closed public testimony for the item?

1128
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:44,080
Any objections, members?

1129
01:31:45,380 --> 01:31:45,620
Okay.

1130
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:46,960
Let's proceed with this agenda.

1131
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,420
And we're going to jump in a discussion here.

1132
01:31:50,940 --> 01:31:54,100
I propose a three minutes per council member for each round of discussion.

1133
01:31:54,100 --> 01:31:58,840
How about we do one round and then we'll take a quick recess for a morning break.

1134
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:04,120
So vice chair, Sunnancy, first round of questions, three minutes.

1135
01:32:08,340 --> 01:32:13,180
All of the chair and Mahalo for all of the presentations and the presenters today.

1136
01:32:13,180 --> 01:32:23,780
I did miss a little bit while I had some internet issues but great work and just to bottle

1137
01:32:23,780 --> 01:32:27,880
for the update, just to see the progress throughout the year.

1138
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:35,120
So bottle for all you guys perseverance and continuation in your conservation work.

1139
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:47,060
And I think sometimes when, you know, what is, when we think about our identity as, you know,

1140
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:51,080
Maui Nui, I mean, conservation work is a big part of it.

1141
01:32:51,180 --> 01:32:54,180
So again, follow for keeping up the fight.

1142
01:32:55,460 --> 01:33:03,880
As legislators, we do attend a lot of conferences outside of the state.

1143
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:24,210
And so, one of the people that we do meet is the REPI program, and I was wondering if any of the work with, I believe, REPI is with the literary event that anyone works with them.

1144
01:33:24,590 --> 01:33:28,770
Anyone here on the panel has ever worked with REPI and the military folks?

1145
01:33:29,790 --> 01:33:34,390
I don't see, is there shaking your head, no?

1146
01:33:36,570 --> 01:33:46,130
Okay, I think with the military, I've worked with some of them on the Scofield, Kapua Kovello

1147
01:33:46,130 --> 01:33:52,670
that manages the Army Environmental Program, Scofield, West Range, Makua, and other military

1148
01:33:52,670 --> 01:33:53,190
lands.

1149
01:33:54,570 --> 01:33:59,790
I've had quite a lot of work experience on all military lands in Hawaii many years ago,

1150
01:33:59,790 --> 01:34:07,950
law, West range, Kawaii law, school through barracks, so familiar with many of their lands.

1151
01:34:08,690 --> 01:34:18,770
A lot has changed in 49-50 years. So, you know, again, I do have contact with, you know,

1152
01:34:18,970 --> 01:34:26,190
the Kapua Kovello that manages our environmental areas on a particular monthly basis on different

1153
01:34:34,850 --> 01:34:35,430
topics.

1154
01:34:35,430 --> 01:34:42,770
I only bring it up chair is because I think one of their projects is working with one

1155
01:34:42,770 --> 01:34:47,070
of the profits along the high-class slope.

1156
01:34:49,150 --> 01:34:59,110
But for Mr. Paul, as far as Koholavi and the Kirk, do we still receive funding for the

1157
01:34:59,110 --> 01:35:00,590
cleanup of Koholavi?

1158
01:35:01,890 --> 01:35:06,370
There's no funding for the Koholavi of New York, so clean up this time.

1159
01:35:07,110 --> 01:35:15,050
You know, we're still on the books, any UX that's found by us is the responsibility of the

1160
01:35:15,050 --> 01:35:19,910
At this time, there's no active clearance of the area.

1161
01:35:20,730 --> 01:35:27,270
All of our staff are trained, access guides, you know, not EOD status, but just how to recognize

1162
01:35:27,890 --> 01:35:31,810
what the record, how to avoid any type of ordinance.

1163
01:35:34,310 --> 01:35:34,790
Yeah.

1164
01:35:36,390 --> 01:35:36,870
Okay.

1165
01:35:37,530 --> 01:35:38,390
Thank you for that.

1166
01:35:38,630 --> 01:35:39,170
Thank you, Chair.

1167
01:35:39,490 --> 01:35:39,710
All right.

1168
01:35:40,050 --> 01:35:41,090
Thank you, Council Member.

1169
01:35:41,250 --> 01:35:41,690
Let's move on.

1170
01:35:41,690 --> 01:35:45,590
Can we remember who will hajjins, followed by Council Member Cook?

1171
01:35:49,700 --> 01:35:50,180
Thank you, Chair.

1172
01:35:50,460 --> 01:35:55,480
I'm not too sure if I have any questions, only because that was a lot of information.

1173
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:58,100
All of it was so good and so interesting.

1174
01:35:58,580 --> 01:36:03,700
I guess my question is for you, I'm assuming you're having this on the agenda because you're

1175
01:36:03,700 --> 01:36:10,900
going to have them as one of your budget priorities in a few months, but I'm assuming we can't

1176
01:36:10,900 --> 01:36:12,480
really discuss it, but I'm just going to assume.

1177
01:36:12,980 --> 01:36:14,020
I'm super stoked about it.

1178
01:36:14,020 --> 01:36:15,020
I think this is great.

1179
01:36:16,340 --> 01:36:19,820
I'm actually looking since I'm sitting next to my bookshelf

1180
01:36:19,820 --> 01:36:25,580
at Namae Al-Qaiko Klanikinui, which is the site

1181
01:36:25,580 --> 01:36:27,220
of archeology since it was discussed.

1182
01:36:27,540 --> 01:36:29,740
There my husband was a contributing author in here.

1183
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:32,740
So he's going to be super stoked that I'm reading this

1184
01:36:32,740 --> 01:36:33,180
right now.

1185
01:36:33,660 --> 01:36:35,880
But other than that, I really don't have any questions.

1186
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:37,720
And thank you for having this on your agenda.

1187
01:36:38,140 --> 01:36:38,580
Of course.

1188
01:36:38,860 --> 01:36:39,580
Thank you, Council Member.

1189
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:41,980
OK, let's move on to Council Member Tom Cook,

1190
01:36:41,980 --> 01:36:42,700
I look forward to that, Charlie.

1191
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:44,600
Thank you, Chair.

1192
01:36:46,660 --> 01:36:52,540
My battery died, so I'm not on line, but I'm here, and I'm looking forward to the break so I can plug it in.

1193
01:36:53,140 --> 01:36:54,860
I just want to thank everybody.

1194
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:55,920
I want to thank you, Chair.

1195
01:36:56,380 --> 01:36:57,200
I want to thank everybody here.

1196
01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:05,280
This is, without a doubt, the most pleasant, positive, cool, wonderful council meeting that I've experienced in a long time.

1197
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:15,600
And the fact that the collaboration and cooperation of everybody, I mean, I get chickens

1198
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:19,540
can planting trees is a big thing for me, I planted a lot of trees in my life and that

1199
01:37:19,540 --> 01:37:23,060
will Chinese proverb, you know, it was a best time, planted tree 20 years ago, was the

1200
01:37:23,060 --> 01:37:30,540
next best time today, I would hope and encourage more before and after photos, like a pictures

1201
01:37:30,540 --> 01:37:46,340
with the thousand words, and to capture people's imagination and to give them emotionally involved when you show pictures of this is what it looked like 15 years ago, and then you get testimonies from our young blood from the brothers who had actually grown up and experienced it.

1202
01:37:46,340 --> 01:37:47,100
So,

1203
01:37:51,020 --> 01:38:14,980
for me, for the West Maui, South Maui representative, the opportunity you have been working with Michael Reyes from Malamahalya Kala, the fact that the three ranches are collaborating non-profit, to be, you know, very willing, landstorts who recognize their Kuleana, to work with and enrich the land.

1204
01:38:14,980 --> 01:38:17,340
And all the grazing on a lot of things have gone bad.

1205
01:38:17,500 --> 01:38:18,980
And we have the opportunity to fix it.

1206
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:24,000
Tovalpa calendar from the Ridge to Reef project.

1207
01:38:24,500 --> 01:38:25,380
They're doing really good work.

1208
01:38:26,540 --> 01:38:28,660
I'm a retired contractor, Carpenter Retreat.

1209
01:38:29,420 --> 01:38:33,660
My passion is to basically be able to do flood mitigation

1210
01:38:34,540 --> 01:38:37,460
in North, in South Maui, especially in North Kihei.

1211
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:39,280
Capture the flood water.

1212
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:43,580
Major retention terraces, detention terraces.

1213
01:38:43,580 --> 01:38:51,840
recharging aquifer, having storm waters storage, and then utilizing the R1 water,

1214
01:38:52,860 --> 01:38:59,620
Malamala Kalan, working, got a tentative commitment, 500,000 gallons a day would be available for

1215
01:38:59,620 --> 01:39:03,880
a 3 million gallon reservoir that Hala Kalan Ranch guys had a thousand foot elevation.

1216
01:39:04,820 --> 01:39:07,760
So, and, you know,

1217
01:39:09,970 --> 01:39:14,050
appropriate use of bulldozers excavators and stuff to do the civil work and

1218
01:39:14,050 --> 01:39:19,410
working with the sensitivity for the replanting and what not.

1219
01:39:20,230 --> 01:39:22,410
But anyway, I'm all in, I'm stoked.

1220
01:39:22,930 --> 01:39:24,190
Finally, I'm stoked.

1221
01:39:24,530 --> 01:39:29,430
We get to do something together and it's, we owe it to our kids.

1222
01:39:30,170 --> 01:39:36,670
I'll just, my boy, Kamalay, has the property on Avalao that I had the good fortune to buy

1223
01:39:36,670 --> 01:39:41,890
when I was young and the trees we planted with soil conservation are like this.

1224
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:46,770
I plan on two years before his born, he's 49, him and his

1225
01:39:46,770 --> 01:39:51,490
my grandson. So it's not just talk, my heart's in it. Yeah. And

1226
01:39:51,490 --> 01:39:56,530
every single one of you, the sharing and the diversity is awesome.

1227
01:39:57,010 --> 01:39:58,850
So I don't really have any questions, because you did a really

1228
01:39:58,850 --> 01:40:03,850
good presentation. I mean, it's epic. And I did get a chance to

1229
01:40:03,850 --> 01:40:07,710
go up a hotline club ranch tour and see the cause planting

1230
01:40:07,710 --> 01:40:22,390
and the description of the, I guess, monocarpit, monocrop style they tried that didn't really work out and now doing independent with the coatries and a lot of good things happening.

1231
01:40:22,610 --> 01:40:27,210
I think we have to be patient, keep our hearts open and pray.

1232
01:40:28,110 --> 01:40:32,790
Yeah. Well, it's going to take a big investment to do some of the things and they're not going to happen tomorrow.

1233
01:40:32,790 --> 01:40:37,130
that's the whole point but you know it's helping our kids kids kids kids

1234
01:40:37,130 --> 01:40:41,050
those are us or blessed with children yeah you can see the future through their

1235
01:40:41,050 --> 01:40:46,310
eyes amen to that okay let's move on to chair Lee fall by councilmember Paulton

1236
01:40:47,730 --> 01:40:56,250
thank you chair Johnson I too am very grateful and appreciative of this effort this

1237
01:40:56,250 --> 01:41:01,870
wide range of resources coming together in partnership and cooperation and

1238
01:41:01,870 --> 01:41:08,270
And it's enlightening and encouraging to see, considering we don't always see this type

1239
01:41:08,270 --> 01:41:14,670
of cooperation in other areas, but this is great in everybody trying to work together

1240
01:41:14,670 --> 01:41:16,930
for the community's benefit.

1241
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:22,130
Unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to see the second presentation.

1242
01:41:22,410 --> 01:41:25,450
I didn't realize the meeting would run this long.

1243
01:41:25,730 --> 01:41:31,230
I have an appointment at 11, but I'm sure I can catch up with your notes later on.

1244
01:41:31,230 --> 01:41:31,750
Thank you.

1245
01:41:31,950 --> 01:41:32,450
All right.

1246
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:33,450
Thank you, Chair Lee.

1247
01:41:33,770 --> 01:41:35,770
Let's move on to Council Member Paulton.

1248
01:41:40,380 --> 01:41:41,220
Thank you, Chair.

1249
01:41:41,620 --> 01:41:48,280
I think my questions might be firm, is there a firm that the co-ohana, or co-heking me

1250
01:41:48,280 --> 01:42:01,680
about the bog drip clarification, was it $100,000 to meet 1,000 gallons a day and that be

1251
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:04,780
re-created in any ecosystem?

1252
01:42:06,540 --> 01:42:07,380
Mr. Farm?

1253
01:42:10,250 --> 01:42:10,690
Shoot-out.

1254
01:42:11,190 --> 01:42:13,750
I'm sorry, I'm not sure what the question is.

1255
01:42:14,730 --> 01:42:20,450
Our data shows that we can collect 2,000 gallons a day on an optimum day.

1256
01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:27,090
And then the money that I highlighted was just to address installation of our fog-drip

1257
01:42:28,010 --> 01:42:28,470
system.

1258
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:29,190
And,

1259
01:42:32,180 --> 01:42:40,000
um, like, could that be done in Mahikur or is it specific to clicking me?

1260
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:45,600
So, uh, if I may, I can answer your question briefly.

1261
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:54,500
Um, I've been involved in the Water Catchment Project, uh, since, I want to say 2018 was

1262
01:42:54,500 --> 01:42:59,760
when, um, Dr. James Rueck from UH first came over to reintroduce a grant that was actually

1263
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:07,420
originally written in 99, but to answer your question, the fog catchment is a very elevation

1264
01:43:07,420 --> 01:43:14,620
specific project. Generally above 4,000 feet is where you find it more effective, even

1265
01:43:14,620 --> 01:43:19,320
higher, between 4,000 and 6,000 feet is the most effective range to create clogged grip,

1266
01:43:20,660 --> 01:43:26,720
as well as somewhere that has prevailing trade winds, because the system works through

1267
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:32,260
that we by cloud being blown through the fog nets, where the water will collect and

1268
01:43:32,260 --> 01:43:37,920
drip into gutters that can run down. So this system can be applied in many different

1269
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:43,360
locations on Maui, but again, it's all elevation and wind dependent.

1270
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:52,460
Do you have the schematics of how it's built?

1271
01:43:52,460 --> 01:43:53,460
Mr. Pope?

1272
01:43:54,700 --> 01:43:59,100
I do not have it with me, but we do have that information available.

1273
01:44:01,390 --> 01:44:01,710
Okay.

1274
01:44:02,210 --> 01:44:02,710
Thank you.

1275
01:44:03,030 --> 01:44:11,250
And then the other question I had was, shoot, I forgot what the meat process was called

1276
01:44:11,250 --> 01:44:17,770
that allows the deer meat to be certified.

1277
01:44:18,550 --> 01:44:20,490
Was it by sight or camera?

1278
01:44:20,970 --> 01:44:21,530
Ms. Buckman?

1279
01:44:22,390 --> 01:44:26,590
Or I'm sorry, I'm not sure I thought it was Ms. Buck, but anybody can respond to that.

1280
01:44:29,340 --> 01:44:34,880
I believe they went through a process with the state veterinarian and

1281
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:39,680
Department of Health to be certified, their whole team had to be trained and certified.

1282
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:45,400
I'm not entirely sure exactly how it works, but I know it was a very lengthy,

1283
01:44:45,660 --> 01:44:50,780
lengthy process to go through its Department of Health and took a lot of training.

1284
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:57,980
And you have to have the timing the animals have to be killed and processed within a very

1285
01:44:57,980 --> 01:44:59,040
quick amount of time.

1286
01:44:59,240 --> 01:44:59,840
So there's some limitations.

1287
01:45:09,540 --> 01:45:10,060
Okay.

1288
01:45:13,310 --> 01:45:19,110
And then, oh, my other question, I think is for Mr. Higash, you know,

1289
01:45:22,620 --> 01:45:25,700
clavella is your son? I think I had him for a junior life bar.

1290
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:34,580
Yes, he's my son. And also one of the main grasses we plant on Kool-Abi.

1291
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:37,480
Nice.

1292
01:45:37,480 --> 01:45:39,980
That wasn't my question, but I just was increased.

1293
01:45:41,540 --> 01:45:45,180
Is there like a constant, I never went to Kuhlavi.

1294
01:45:45,380 --> 01:45:47,840
Is there like a constant presence there?

1295
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:49,980
Like somebody lives there at all times

1296
01:45:49,980 --> 01:45:53,060
and is continuing the work, like rotating

1297
01:45:53,060 --> 01:45:55,380
or whether that's somebody's address?

1298
01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:59,160
You know, right now, Hona, can I have a base camp?

1299
01:45:59,460 --> 01:46:01,040
You know, because of limited funding,

1300
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:03,200
it's not fully staffed all the time.

1301
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:12,220
So, you know, with additional funding, you know, we could increase the presence of people on island.

1302
01:46:12,820 --> 01:46:17,940
Typically, before in a good year, we could take about 800 to 1,000 volunteers out of island,

1303
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:26,900
but because of our cutbacks and reduction in staff and monies, we're down to about 400 or 500 volunteers a year.

1304
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:34,040
We still, you know, again, take out the public, whoever waits on our wait list, and, you know,

1305
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:39,120
follow through with all the paperwork.

1306
01:46:41,820 --> 01:46:42,220
Okay.

1307
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:42,960
Thank you.

1308
01:46:43,220 --> 01:46:44,180
I heard the bill.

1309
01:46:44,220 --> 01:46:46,700
I had one more question, but I can wait till the next round.

1310
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:46,960
Okay.

1311
01:46:48,340 --> 01:46:51,680
I'll go next, and then we'll go for a second round if I hand raised.

1312
01:46:52,780 --> 01:46:59,040
So, you know, members and everybody here, this type of project, this type of work is not

1313
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:04,560
cheap, but if we don't do it, the cost is even more expensive.

1314
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:11,160
So I guess I'm trying to prep the council and the administrators that, when I put in a

1315
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:16,420
priority for this type of work, it's not going to be a small ask, it's going to be in the

1316
01:47:16,420 --> 01:47:16,740
millions.

1317
01:47:16,740 --> 01:47:20,640
understand what we're trying to do here, because you're trying to change

1318
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:25,840
anti-the-nots of just mismanagement for years and years and the compounding of just

1319
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:29,760
not taking care of the INA. If we would have done it in the beginning

1320
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:33,720
it would have been a whole lot cheaper, but here we are in 2025 trying to

1321
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:37,560
untie the knots of the past, and it's going to cost the money, understand that.

1322
01:47:38,140 --> 01:47:42,480
But if we don't do anything, it's going to cost so much more.

1323
01:47:43,620 --> 01:47:52,200
So, I saw that Jade jumped on the call, Rojas, are you still here, did I see you on the

1324
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:52,440
call?

1325
01:47:55,240 --> 01:48:04,160
Okay, Miss, there she is, I wanted to ask you in regards to the office, you know, OED,

1326
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:10,520
some of the jobs that you guys are focusing on for economic diversity are very important healthcare

1327
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:11,540
jobs and everything.

1328
01:48:11,540 --> 01:48:15,340
but how about the green jobs, these folks in conservation,

1329
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:18,960
you know, the green collar jobs that I used to do

1330
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:20,880
when I was worked in the wildlife technician

1331
01:48:21,420 --> 01:48:22,380
with Poulomal at night.

1332
01:48:23,260 --> 01:48:28,020
How is the OED addressing those type of industry,

1333
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:29,460
you know, the green collar jobs?

1334
01:48:32,310 --> 01:48:35,150
Thank you for the question, Chair, and a lot of council members.

1335
01:48:36,270 --> 01:48:39,810
So this actually falls perfectly within our workforce innovation

1336
01:48:39,810 --> 01:48:42,510
and Opportunity Act, so the Wheel of Program that we have.

1337
01:48:42,510 --> 01:48:47,250
It's actually a federal mandate that's passed to the state, which we administer through

1338
01:48:47,250 --> 01:48:47,710
the county.

1339
01:48:48,430 --> 01:48:51,990
And so, these green jobs specifically would fall into that.

1340
01:48:52,510 --> 01:48:57,930
They are considered emerging and in-demand jobs under the federal definitions of the program.

1341
01:48:58,110 --> 01:49:00,770
So, we'll talk about multiple different types of jobs, right?

1342
01:49:00,870 --> 01:49:06,370
Like the conservation and land management technicians, native ecosystems, restoration workers,

1343
01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:10,750
GIS and environmental monitoring specialists, sustainable construction and green infrastructure

1344
01:49:10,750 --> 01:49:14,670
Dr. Jobs along and as well the cultural resource management

1345
01:49:14,670 --> 01:49:15,190
physician.

1346
01:49:15,630 --> 01:49:18,810
So we all support the training in these high growth sectors

1347
01:49:18,810 --> 01:49:19,390
absolutely.

1348
01:49:19,790 --> 01:49:22,530
And then we're also working with the Federal Repi Grant, too.

1349
01:49:22,670 --> 01:49:26,170
And I think then this project would fall into those programs

1350
01:49:26,170 --> 01:49:28,930
that they could qualify for them.

1351
01:49:29,690 --> 01:49:33,970
Thank you, Director Rojasla T.C., that's a good point you made

1352
01:49:33,970 --> 01:49:35,610
about the rep because council members'

1353
01:49:35,890 --> 01:49:37,610
ascendancy was asking that question as well.

1354
01:49:37,790 --> 01:49:39,550
So thank you so much for your response.

1355
01:49:39,550 --> 01:49:44,850
members, we're going to go to the second round and I know Councilmember Paulin had a second

1356
01:49:44,850 --> 01:49:48,190
round but you know just by raise the hands but go ahead Councilmember Paulin.

1357
01:49:50,730 --> 01:50:00,650
Thank you Tara for Mr. Hegashino as well. Is it true that the aquifer or the water table

1358
01:50:00,650 --> 01:50:02,930
on Koholavi is cracked?

1359
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:13,440
You know the fact that you know just the groundwater and Koholavi you know I drew that the lack

1360
01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:20,320
of it or being able to find it. There was a season of the island by the Afro-Animals

1361
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:27,960
removing the vegetation, not allowing infiltration or percolation of the water after a heavy

1362
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:34,700
rain. I know there's been talk about certain military activities that cracked the cap rock,

1363
01:50:34,940 --> 01:50:42,640
but I'm not too sure. I've not done any evidence on that. But again, it's just being able

1364
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:48,840
to, you know, what I understand of water systems, you know, the recharge, if you're not getting

1365
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:56,120
anything percolating down and, you know, running off, you know, the possibility are not

1366
01:50:56,120 --> 01:51:01,860
eliminated, but they're reduced. It's less, you know, a lot of our, some of our work with

1367
01:51:01,860 --> 01:51:06,660
the Department of Health, clean water branch, we're looking at, you know, recharge of certain

1368
01:51:06,660 --> 01:51:13,560
areas mainly places that we do plant in hot masses of water go down compared to areas

1369
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:19,640
that we don't plant the hard pan trying to get things samples like that or data like

1370
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:26,560
that to show that long term restoration efforts long term of protecting covering the soil

1371
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:33,000
will or may in time recharge or add more water to the ground table.

1372
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:43,180
And are you able to do, like, any composting over there to make the ground less hard?

1373
01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:48,020
And I guess, you know, the areas where you weren't able to clear below the surface

1374
01:51:48,020 --> 01:51:54,180
and you can't dig to plant the tree, if the tree roots go down that way,

1375
01:51:54,440 --> 01:51:57,200
is that a danger for the, you know, the,

1376
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:02,440
you know, we do do composting limited bases.

1377
01:52:02,440 --> 01:52:06,400
is a lot of it's sometimes the time in material,

1378
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:08,120
I mean the time in Effort on Island,

1379
01:52:08,380 --> 01:52:10,720
do you put it making something,

1380
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:12,420
sane in base camp doing it,

1381
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:13,840
or do you get the people out,

1382
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:17,680
educating, showing them the people and planting?

1383
01:52:18,440 --> 01:52:20,980
A lot of the techniques that we do is in Kool-Ave,

1384
01:52:21,180 --> 01:52:23,380
I tell people, we did develop it.

1385
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:25,540
It's things that people have been doing for centuries

1386
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:30,360
to slow down the COVID desert, to slow down the Sahara desert.

1387
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:33,700
You know, many examples in Hawaii, the Kohala's,

1388
01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:37,740
Kihikinui, Manukan, the Big Island, planting in mounds,

1389
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:42,120
how Hawaiian survived in harsh, dry, walk rocky systems.

1390
01:52:42,620 --> 01:52:48,100
So it's, you know, how do you balance, make all these stuff

1391
01:52:48,100 --> 01:52:51,860
enough to buy it, or buy the material, ship it to the island,

1392
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:55,020
and then get the people out there, hands, you know,

1393
01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:57,480
boots on the ground, hands, you know, doing,

1394
01:52:57,480 --> 01:52:59,280
I mean, during the work,

1395
01:53:02,180 --> 01:53:04,400
I think with that, too,

1396
01:53:04,540 --> 01:53:15,480
we can't sort of come out to see the island and the experiences of the responsibility

1397
01:53:15,480 --> 01:53:21,420
that all of us have to try to restore it and to bring it back for the people of Hawaii.

1398
01:53:21,860 --> 01:53:24,520
Well, you don't have to invite us twice, we'll be on that boat.

1399
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:28,200
So, okay, Kazuma, are you good?

1400
01:53:28,820 --> 01:53:33,280
Is it possible that roots could go down and trigger

1401
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:35,000
the unexploded ordinances?

1402
01:53:43,460 --> 01:53:44,240
Hopefully not.

1403
01:53:45,500 --> 01:53:48,720
I mean, you know, anything, the fact that a URXO didn't go off,

1404
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:49,660
people say this is a dud.

1405
01:53:50,420 --> 01:53:52,660
You know, something didn't trigger it, something didn't turn,

1406
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:53,920
something didn't connect.

1407
01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:58,360
You know, again, I'm not military UD.

1408
01:53:58,360 --> 01:54:03,640
I don't know the ins and outs of all of them, but I'm not going to take the chance, you know,

1409
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:09,120
I want to be able to do a regular shocker with both hands and not the...

1410
01:54:13,030 --> 01:54:17,670
Members, I appreciate this, we got another item on the agenda, this is really good discussion.

1411
01:54:18,090 --> 01:54:21,090
I, you saw everybody here who gave great presentations.

1412
01:54:21,590 --> 01:54:24,350
We can certainly reach out for you for more discussion.

1413
01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:30,230
I hate to end this discussion right now because it's so good and important, but we do have

1414
01:54:30,230 --> 01:54:31,270
another item on the agenda.

1415
01:54:31,710 --> 01:54:33,350
I want to thank you all for your time.

1416
01:54:33,710 --> 01:54:36,330
And if the members want to, though,

1417
01:54:36,370 --> 01:54:38,670
I'm sure they'll reach out to you and continue the discussion.

1418
01:54:38,830 --> 01:54:40,510
But at this time, members, if there's no objection,

1419
01:54:40,510 --> 01:54:41,770
I will defer this item.

1420
01:54:43,430 --> 01:54:46,650
Okay, I suggest we take about a 10-minute recess, members.

1421
01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:47,690
Are you okay with 10 minutes?

1422
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:52,870
All right, so the time is now 11.02 at 11.12.

1423
01:54:53,310 --> 01:54:54,890
The adept committee will come back

1424
01:54:54,890 --> 01:54:57,090
from its recess with a different item in agenda, Mahalo.

1425
01:54:58,390 --> 01:54:58,950
So,

1426
01:55:11,910 --> 01:55:16,390
today we have a depth one, parentheses 12, aquifer mapping, and long-term monitoring

1427
01:55:16,390 --> 01:55:17,990
of water resources on Maui.

1428
01:55:18,910 --> 01:55:20,810
Members, water is life.

1429
01:55:21,570 --> 01:55:25,450
Unfortunately, the amount we know about this life-giving resource does not reflect its

1430
01:55:25,450 --> 01:55:25,910
importance.

1431
01:55:27,070 --> 01:55:29,250
Where do our aquifiers stretch exactly?

1432
01:55:29,650 --> 01:55:31,910
How much water can be sustainably yielded?

1433
01:55:32,430 --> 01:55:35,590
At what levels are brackish, or salty, or fresh?

1434
01:55:35,590 --> 01:55:38,710
These are questions which we do not have a comprehensive

1435
01:55:38,710 --> 01:55:40,730
accurate and up-to-date information on.

1436
01:55:41,350 --> 01:55:44,650
Having this data is needed to properly plan and prioritize

1437
01:55:44,650 --> 01:55:47,150
our water use for agriculture and development now

1438
01:55:47,150 --> 01:55:48,230
for generations to come.

1439
01:55:49,550 --> 01:55:52,530
Dr. John Heley proposes an innovative solution

1440
01:55:52,530 --> 01:55:54,390
to our problem of missing data.

1441
01:55:54,910 --> 01:55:58,850
Using airborne magnetic imagery, he can do an MRI of sorts

1442
01:55:58,850 --> 01:56:01,510
that will show us what is happening underground

1443
01:56:01,510 --> 01:56:02,350
in our aquifers.

1444
01:56:03,070 --> 01:56:05,210
I have invited him today to tell us more about his

1445
01:56:05,210 --> 01:56:10,770
Proposal. Dr. Helle is an affiliated with San Diego Supercomputer Center in Scripps

1446
01:56:10,770 --> 01:56:17,270
Institution of Oceanography, University of California San Diego, a special consultant

1447
01:56:17,270 --> 01:56:21,150
in the State of California Department of Water Resources and a member of the County

1448
01:56:21,150 --> 01:56:25,050
of Maui Board Water Supply. Members, if there's no objection to like

1449
01:56:25,050 --> 01:56:30,370
to designate Dr. Helle as their resource person on our council rules 18A given his expertise

1450
01:56:30,370 --> 01:56:32,990
cheese and aqua mapping and monitor water resource.

1451
01:56:33,190 --> 01:56:34,010
Any objections, members?

1452
01:56:35,150 --> 01:56:35,710
Thank you, members.

1453
01:56:36,150 --> 01:56:37,530
Dr. Helly, thank you for being here,

1454
01:56:37,850 --> 01:56:39,610
and please proceed with your presentation.

1455
01:56:44,700 --> 01:56:45,560
Thank you, Chair Johnson.

1456
01:56:45,820 --> 01:56:47,140
Thank you, members, for your attention.

1457
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:49,720
Appreciate the opportunity to talk to you

1458
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:52,320
about water resources and water in general.

1459
01:56:53,480 --> 01:56:53,720
We good?

1460
01:56:58,860 --> 01:57:02,060
This is an AEM project that's a convenient acronym

1461
01:57:02,060 --> 01:57:04,600
for airborne electromagnetic imaging.

1462
01:57:05,580 --> 01:57:07,400
And we're focusing on West Maui,

1463
01:57:07,400 --> 01:57:13,540
although what I'm going to talk about is applicable really anywhere in the world that there's ground water issues.

1464
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:28,740
And the project itself, the large purpose of the project, is to develop a new water resource modeling and monitoring and management framework based on characterization of our ground water aquifers.

1465
01:57:28,740 --> 01:57:43,100
And to expand the existing modeling capabilities that are currently and historically in use involving the USGS, the County Department of Water Supply, the State and the University of Hawaii.

1466
01:57:43,780 --> 01:57:47,040
And the goal is to support adaptive management order resources.

1467
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:59,640
This is an initiative advanced by the deputy director, Connie, at the CWARM, and we believe

1468
01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:05,820
that this project will contribute substantially to that and even be a pathfinder in many ways.

1469
01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:15,900
The goal is to standardize our approach to it both statewide and with Maui as a initial

1470
01:58:15,900 --> 01:58:21,800
value by standing up a long-term operational model that provides decision support to our

1471
01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:29,160
partners initially and then ultimately to any member of the state or the water community

1472
01:58:29,160 --> 01:58:31,840
throughout the state that has an interest in this.

1473
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:37,500
But also, and I don't want this to be lost in what I'll show you subsequently, the goals

1474
01:58:37,500 --> 01:58:44,200
to also establish a long-term training program for professional staff and students both through

1475
01:58:44,200 --> 01:58:52,280
the University and in the municipal, state, federal agencies in Hawaii with knowledge of

1476
01:58:52,280 --> 01:59:00,320
Hawaii resources and peculiarities, but to make that a longstanding institutional asset

1477
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:01,580
and program.

1478
01:59:02,020 --> 01:59:06,860
So I'll focus on that, but I also want to highlight it at the outset.

1479
01:59:08,020 --> 01:59:13,060
This is the big picture, it's got a bunch of different pieces here, I'm going to start at

1480
01:59:13,060 --> 01:59:13,480
the bottom.

1481
01:59:13,480 --> 01:59:15,020
Actually, we're starting the upper right.

1482
01:59:15,640 --> 01:59:21,160
That's the goal is to make sure water comes out of our taps in a reliable way.

1483
01:59:21,400 --> 01:59:25,960
And it proceeds that way by the function of the services of water utilities.

1484
01:59:26,540 --> 01:59:29,840
But in order for these water utilities to do their job, and

1485
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:33,660
that's a water utility is something like the Department of Water Supply or

1486
01:59:33,660 --> 01:59:38,920
Hawaii Water Service or any of the other six or seven different water utilities.

1487
01:59:38,920 --> 01:59:42,680
throughout west Maui and I'll keep referring to west Maui as an example.

1488
01:59:44,500 --> 01:59:51,420
How that water is provided goes all the way back to the lower left of this cartoon, which

1489
01:59:51,420 --> 01:59:55,020
shows rain coming into buikakui in this notional example.

1490
01:59:55,020 --> 01:59:58,020
The rain flows down through the volcano,

1491
01:59:58,720 --> 01:59:59,960
pools up in various...

1492
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,980
There are a lot of unknowns about the nature and extent of these aquifers, and the project itself, the airborne electromagnetic mapping or imaging, is a project to focus on characterizing those aquifers using helicopters to fly an instrument that zigzags in that mapping pattern that is shown in the cartoon by sending a signal down into the earth like an MRI type.

1493
02:00:31,120 --> 02:00:38,620
sensor and returning data that is then forwarded into a modeling and analysis capability that

1494
02:00:38,620 --> 02:00:46,240
lets us predict and monitor the sustainable resources that we have that are both being

1495
02:00:46,240 --> 02:00:53,980
recharged or not and the degree to which pumping affects our ability to have a reliable water

1496
02:00:53,980 --> 02:00:54,420
supply.

1497
02:00:55,600 --> 02:00:58,100
So this is the big picture, I'm going to come back to it.

1498
02:00:58,640 --> 02:01:03,060
Some of the data from the groundwater wells are shown at the top, I'll talk a little

1499
02:01:03,060 --> 02:01:08,820
bit more about those time series plots I refer to them as we get along here.

1500
02:01:08,920 --> 02:01:13,220
This is just meant to give you an introduction to the overview of the project.

1501
02:01:14,860 --> 02:01:20,380
So the imaging works by a sensor that hangs beneath the helicopter.

1502
02:01:20,380 --> 02:01:26,280
you see it here as a little cone depicted below these cartoon helicopters.

1503
02:01:27,260 --> 02:01:29,760
It's not quite a circle, but it's approximately like that.

1504
02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:32,700
It's about a 20 to 30 meter wide antenna.

1505
02:01:33,480 --> 02:01:37,420
It sends out electromagnetic waves like radio,

1506
02:01:38,300 --> 02:01:41,360
and it goes down into the volcanic rock to about 500 meters,

1507
02:01:42,520 --> 02:01:44,200
stimulates the rock electrically,

1508
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:48,600
and the water of various kinds, whether it's fresh or salt or brackish,

1509
02:01:48,600 --> 02:01:53,220
And they have different kinds of electromagnetic responses, and because of that, we are able

1510
02:01:53,220 --> 02:01:56,400
to measure that response and turn it into data.

1511
02:01:59,110 --> 02:02:06,850
And the project itself now is constituted by these six agency partners or the project

1512
02:02:06,850 --> 02:02:14,450
partners, I should say, Ina Hoekpua, Okilauea, we refer to fondly as AHK, there are three folks

1513
02:02:14,450 --> 02:02:19,150
on Kauai, who are part of the initial project team.

1514
02:02:19,150 --> 02:02:26,870
We have CWARM now, Deputy Director Kiarra Kahane and Ryan Yamamata, or Yamada Ruther,

1515
02:02:27,730 --> 02:02:33,370
who is a hydrologic program manager in Maui's Department of Water Supply Director John

1516
02:02:33,370 --> 02:02:41,690
Stoffelbein, UH Manoa representatives, Dr. Amir Haroon, who is a geophysicist, Dr. Jilong

1517
02:02:42,870 --> 02:02:49,270
who is a modeler, we have the Pacific Island Water Science Center folks from the USGS

1518
02:02:49,270 --> 02:02:55,430
through Dr. Stevens onizer, and some industry contact, at least one industry contact

1519
02:02:55,430 --> 02:02:59,090
through Blue Rock LLC, Eric Eldred.

1520
02:03:00,230 --> 02:03:05,350
And this is not meant to be exclusive or limiting, this is our nucleus to start with.

1521
02:03:05,350 --> 02:03:10,770
So our problem statement, and this focuses on Westside Maui, is that we're heavily dependent

1522
02:03:10,770 --> 02:03:12,150
on over pumped groundwater.

1523
02:03:12,990 --> 02:03:14,930
We know that precipitation is decreasing.

1524
02:03:15,750 --> 02:03:21,330
Our supplemental water surface water is erratic and diminishing, and this leads to declining

1525
02:03:21,330 --> 02:03:27,130
water quantity and water quality, as everyone more or less realizes now, I believe.

1526
02:03:29,290 --> 02:03:31,490
We're faced with no new housing without water.

1527
02:03:31,490 --> 02:03:38,190
We have no additional potable water without more rain, desalination, or what's referred to as R0.

1528
02:03:38,770 --> 02:03:41,350
Most of you have heard of R1 and know what R1 is.

1529
02:03:42,370 --> 02:03:47,090
It's recycled water. R0 is recycled, but also qualified for potable use.

1530
02:03:47,230 --> 02:03:52,090
It's equivalent to the kind of water that astronauts use in outer space.

1531
02:03:54,050 --> 02:03:58,950
In the meantime, our only choice is really in the short term or to reallocate our existing resources.

1532
02:03:58,950 --> 02:04:04,370
And those reallocation decisions and sustainable limits need information that doesn't exist

1533
02:04:04,370 --> 02:04:04,990
at the moment.

1534
02:04:05,450 --> 02:04:08,450
So how do you make these decisions about understanding aquifer conditions?

1535
02:04:11,990 --> 02:04:17,870
Historically, the exploitation of groundwater in Maui has been quite extensive.

1536
02:04:18,070 --> 02:04:26,350
This is a map of all the, I guess, known to seaworm in the sense that these are red dots

1537
02:04:26,350 --> 02:04:36,430
and green dots that are the well locations and the surface water diversion locations throughout Maui in the history that's recorded by seaworm.

1538
02:04:37,190 --> 02:04:42,030
Not all of these wells in West Maui are currently active, I'll show you a currently active set.

1539
02:04:43,030 --> 02:04:51,590
But this gives you an idea of the intense development of groundwater throughout the island and doesn't reflect the rest of the county of course.

1540
02:04:51,590 --> 02:04:54,570
but this also reflects the limits of our knowledge.

1541
02:04:54,850 --> 02:04:55,950
Students are making time out here.

1542
02:04:56,130 --> 02:04:56,690
Okay, and here.

1543
02:04:57,010 --> 02:04:57,410
Yep.

1544
02:04:57,950 --> 02:04:58,790
You lose it?

1545
02:04:58,890 --> 02:04:59,810
I don't hear nothing.

1546
02:05:00,630 --> 02:05:01,970
How about now, can you guys hear us?

1547
02:05:02,530 --> 02:05:03,070
Hello, up.

1548
02:05:04,930 --> 02:05:05,330
Okay.

1549
02:05:05,550 --> 02:05:06,410
Can you hear us now?

1550
02:05:07,990 --> 02:05:09,130
No, I just heard you.

1551
02:05:09,510 --> 02:05:09,810
Okay.

1552
02:05:10,690 --> 02:05:12,450
How about Council Member Sunnancy?

1553
02:05:12,570 --> 02:05:13,110
I saw you.

1554
02:05:13,530 --> 02:05:14,170
Can you hear us?

1555
02:05:15,330 --> 02:05:16,230
Everybody's got thumbs up.

1556
02:05:16,330 --> 02:05:17,690
I don't know what's going on with the internet,

1557
02:05:17,830 --> 02:05:20,470
but I think we can continue if everybody can hear us.

1558
02:05:20,470 --> 02:05:24,110
Where did you lose me, I guess, just I guess second ago.

1559
02:05:24,650 --> 02:05:28,630
Okay, so this is an old map from Sterns and McDonald's,

1560
02:05:28,690 --> 02:05:30,330
the authoritative geological reference.

1561
02:05:31,130 --> 02:05:33,150
Things really haven't changed since 1942

1562
02:05:33,150 --> 02:05:37,210
in our geologic knowledge, but we've continued

1563
02:05:37,210 --> 02:05:39,730
to drill wells throughout the island nonetheless.

1564
02:05:40,450 --> 02:05:44,690
This is a cross section through the West Maui Mountains

1565
02:05:45,390 --> 02:05:49,650
showing the ocean on the left, which is the channel

1566
02:05:49,650 --> 02:05:57,130
out toward the Pylola channel and on the other side you can see Wikapoo, but this depicts

1567
02:05:57,130 --> 02:06:02,490
the stratification of the volcano and the green layers and the red layers are things

1568
02:06:02,490 --> 02:06:08,710
that are called dikes, which are vertical chunks or vertical streams of basalt rock that

1569
02:06:08,710 --> 02:06:15,210
come up from the volcanic center in terms of magma and they create barriers to water flow.

1570
02:06:15,210 --> 02:06:20,810
So the water flows from Malka to Makai and gets trapped in these rocks.

1571
02:06:24,030 --> 02:06:30,490
The problem we have in West Maui is we have a crisis of over pumping, and you can see

1572
02:06:30,490 --> 02:06:31,390
that in these data.

1573
02:06:32,010 --> 02:06:37,790
On the left hand side, this is salt level and the different concentrations for the various

1574
02:06:37,790 --> 02:06:38,090
pumps.

1575
02:06:38,410 --> 02:06:42,150
So this is I think 23 wells throughout West Maui.

1576
02:06:42,150 --> 02:06:48,050
For example, here are conopoly wells, they're operated by the Hawaii Water Service.

1577
02:06:49,590 --> 02:06:57,470
And there's a mixture here of wells that are operated by both the county, the private water supply, and private water systems.

1578
02:06:58,270 --> 02:07:06,210
And the problems that we face are the red line indicates where there's an acceptable threshold for drinking water, potable water.

1579
02:07:07,150 --> 02:07:21,450
And when the lines exceed that, when the time series lines, the colored lines that are not red, exceed that red line, that's when there's a problem and the water can't be directly consumed by humans safely.

1580
02:07:23,070 --> 02:07:25,230
So what can we do about this water scarcity?

1581
02:07:25,510 --> 02:07:34,310
We need to know more about where the water is and what's sustainable to extract, and that requires a long term water monitoring program, which we do not have.

1582
02:07:35,530 --> 02:07:39,430
The current methods are inadequate and they lack sufficient data.

1583
02:07:40,110 --> 02:07:45,150
And the well data, while it's important and currently collected by the state, it's

1584
02:07:45,150 --> 02:07:45,890
not sufficient.

1585
02:07:46,650 --> 02:07:51,550
There's more needed about what's going on in the wells, but you cannot build enough

1586
02:07:51,550 --> 02:07:54,750
wells, monitor wells, or instrumented wells.

1587
02:07:55,490 --> 02:07:59,470
You can't build enough to really understand what's going on in a way that we need to.

1588
02:07:59,470 --> 02:08:03,950
A solution to that is the airborne electromagnetic imaging approach.

1589
02:08:04,310 --> 02:08:10,450
It provides key missing information and combined with well data on an ongoing monitoring

1590
02:08:10,450 --> 02:08:16,750
basis the way it's currently collected as well as an intensified program and combined

1591
02:08:16,750 --> 02:08:21,610
with the AEM-based modeling provides the best solution to the problem.

1592
02:08:22,990 --> 02:08:25,950
And that's not just best solution in Maui, it's a best solution in the world.

1593
02:08:26,730 --> 02:08:33,350
So, here's an example of what AEM and modeling can achieve, and this is an example from

1594
02:08:33,350 --> 02:08:40,150
Hawks Bay New Zealand that flew the same instrument that we're planning on flying here on Maui.

1595
02:08:40,650 --> 02:08:48,170
And it flies from Malca to Makai, so if you can see this cursor on the left here, so this

1596
02:08:48,170 --> 02:08:55,910
This is an upland maca in New Zealand down to the ocean through Hawks Bay, if you're familiar

1597
02:08:55,910 --> 02:09:01,510
with any of that area, and what the model was able to generate through the data provided

1598
02:09:01,510 --> 02:09:08,710
by the AEM sensor is where there's fresh water and where the water is flowing within this

1599
02:09:08,710 --> 02:09:09,670
volcanic terrain.

1600
02:09:10,290 --> 02:09:14,390
Remember that New Zealand is also a volcanic island nation.

1601
02:09:16,240 --> 02:09:21,960
So if we look at what we're planning to do with just respect to West Maui, this is what

1602
02:09:21,960 --> 02:09:23,200
we've been scoping currently.

1603
02:09:24,020 --> 02:09:26,180
The current project scope is West Maui.

1604
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:33,280
Our goal is to connect the dots by flying the helicopter over this terrain in a jigsaw

1605
02:09:33,280 --> 02:09:37,280
pad or rather mowing the lawn pattern as a better way to look at it.

1606
02:09:38,080 --> 02:09:45,020
Connecting those dots and developing that into a three-dimensional image, which is similar

1607
02:09:45,020 --> 02:09:49,880
I look to the one I just showed you for Hawkes Bay, I'll show you a representation that's

1608
02:09:49,880 --> 02:09:51,380
pertinent to us Maui in a moment.

1609
02:09:52,080 --> 02:09:58,640
But there are areas that we can't fly, and that's due to the FAA flight restrictions

1610
02:09:58,640 --> 02:10:04,180
of not being able to fly over heavily populated areas with an instrument hanging below a helicopter

1611
02:10:04,180 --> 02:10:06,040
or an aircraft of any type really.

1612
02:10:07,300 --> 02:10:13,200
And our preliminary budget estimate to do this has a non-recurring cost of about $2.5 million

1613
02:10:13,200 --> 02:10:18,960
dollars in the first year with a recurring cost that goes on indefinitely into the future

1614
02:10:18,960 --> 02:10:22,460
to support the monitoring program of about half a million dollars.

1615
02:10:23,060 --> 02:10:29,340
So the goal here is to fly the helicopter instrument once, collect the data with it tells

1616
02:10:29,340 --> 02:10:38,040
us the structure of the aquifers, their interconnectivity, and where they're located, and then to monitor

1617
02:10:38,040 --> 02:10:46,740
that resource over time using well data and other ground-based instruments that the University

1618
02:10:46,740 --> 02:10:48,260
of Hawaii has actually developed recently.

1619
02:10:49,060 --> 02:10:54,560
I'm not going to go into those in this presentation, but there is more to the story than what

1620
02:10:54,560 --> 02:10:56,060
I'm just telling you to hear today.

1621
02:10:58,300 --> 02:11:05,440
This shows you West Maui from kind of somewhere out in the middle of the channel, high up looking

1622
02:11:05,440 --> 02:11:12,080
down a pool of cacouille here, here's Cal Louis in the background, and these data that are

1623
02:11:12,080 --> 02:11:18,420
the colored vertical streams, I don't know how well you can see this in the computer image,

1624
02:11:19,720 --> 02:11:25,640
are the data observations that come from the helicopter, and then we can calculate cross sections,

1625
02:11:25,640 --> 02:11:30,760
and that's what this shows here. I actually have an animation of this, which I'm prepared to show you,

1626
02:11:30,760 --> 02:11:40,560
but I don't want to interrupt the presentation because we make it hung up in Internet stuff that will distract at the moment, we can come back to it if there's time.

1627
02:11:41,240 --> 02:11:48,600
But the color coding of these streams are the lethology of the rocks.

1628
02:11:48,940 --> 02:11:57,620
They tell us what layers correspond to what types of rocks and those different layers have different hydraulic properties they refer to as.

1629
02:11:57,620 --> 02:12:02,500
They conduct water more or less effectively, and how those rocks are connected

1630
02:12:03,740 --> 02:12:08,960
Define the aquifer structures, and so a lot of cartoons that you see typically

1631
02:12:11,260 --> 02:12:17,340
Invision they are give the impression that there's a kind of a water lake underneath Maui or anywhere

1632
02:12:17,940 --> 02:12:21,920
That has this kind of island structure when it's really much more like a sponge

1633
02:12:21,920 --> 02:12:42,980
So if you imagine a sponge sitting in your kitchen sink, excuse me, and you run water on it, the sponge will saturate, but it'll accumulate in the spaces and voids within your sponge, and if you sponge and if you stuck a straw into the sponge, that's really what groundwater wells are doing within the volcanic rock.

1634
02:12:45,590 --> 02:12:48,730
This is the working schedule that we have planned for this project.

1635
02:12:49,330 --> 02:13:14,390
We believe the funding in hand to start this for a total of close to $3 million between funding on the island of Kauai through the NGOHK, which are referred to earlier, plus additional funding, which we depend on from the Department of Water Supply through Director Stufflebean, and he can comment on that, I'm sure himself.

1636
02:13:14,390 --> 02:13:24,330
But the plan is to fly the helicopter missions in 2026 and the bulk of the cost comes from the flight time for the helicopter.

1637
02:13:25,250 --> 02:13:40,070
But once the helicopter data acquisition is done flying Maui and Kauai, then we, and currently, concurrently with the acquisition of those data, we can do model development.

1638
02:13:40,070 --> 02:13:46,350
So, the helicopter data will be collected during the first few quarters of 2026.

1639
02:13:47,790 --> 02:13:52,250
We'll have the deliverables completed by the beginning of 2027.

1640
02:13:53,150 --> 02:14:00,350
The QAQC for those data will take about two years as we go through the modeling process and

1641
02:14:00,350 --> 02:14:05,690
understand where there's need for clarification of the data that have been collected or

1642
02:14:07,570 --> 02:14:13,850
and then the model results, meaning the results that we can use to manage pumping operations

1643
02:14:14,490 --> 02:14:21,510
and to do predictions about what are resources are available to us, will begin to appear

1644
02:14:21,510 --> 02:14:27,650
at the end of 2027 based on this schedule. And then we can shift into a long-term monitoring

1645
02:14:27,650 --> 02:14:33,430
and operations mode in the green, which would just extend indefinitely into the future involving

1646
02:14:33,430 --> 02:14:43,770
seaworm, the county, the NGO on Kauai, and hopefully their local water agencies, as well

1647
02:14:43,770 --> 02:14:53,630
as the USGS. Our expected results are sustainable and adaptive pumping limits, so the well-diagrams

1648
02:14:53,630 --> 02:14:58,690
or plots that I showed you earlier that show well- pumping operations that exceed potable

1649
02:14:58,690 --> 02:14:59,150
or limits.

1650
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,920
We would be able to be maintained operationally below those limits in an ongoing way. And it will also tell us the best and worst places for future wells if there are any. One of the concerns people have expressed is that this is a water discovery project. And it's not the primary focus, our primary focus is to understand what exists and how to best manage it. Given the intensity of water

1651
02:15:29,920 --> 02:15:35,360
development historically on Maui, it would be surprising if there are undiscovered water resources.

1652
02:15:35,940 --> 02:15:40,860
Of course, it's a possibility it can't be ruled out, but it would be a surprise at least to me.

1653
02:15:41,880 --> 02:15:46,100
So what we're talking about is an ongoing monitoring, modeling, and decision-making process

1654
02:15:46,670 --> 02:15:56,700
that allows us to judiciously allocate water for current and future social activities, and also to

1655
02:15:56,700 --> 02:15:58,600
to provide again the professional opportunities

1656
02:15:58,600 --> 02:16:01,340
for future generations through education training

1657
02:16:01,340 --> 02:16:03,980
and employment, through the university program

1658
02:16:04,240 --> 02:16:06,480
in cooperation with the state agencies

1659
02:16:06,480 --> 02:16:08,880
and with the federal agencies.

1660
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:15,600
We've only focused so far on the west side,

1661
02:16:15,860 --> 02:16:18,360
the west Maui rather, and in particular,

1662
02:16:18,460 --> 02:16:19,760
on the west side of west Maui,

1663
02:16:20,400 --> 02:16:24,100
but there's a natural and easy extension

1664
02:16:24,100 --> 02:16:29,200
And once the helicopter and the instrument are here, obviously we're going to fly Kauai as well.

1665
02:16:29,900 --> 02:16:35,860
It would be a relatively straightforward extension to fly the rest of the island.

1666
02:16:36,160 --> 02:16:41,640
You can see that it's well development throughout the rest of East Maui and

1667
02:16:41,960 --> 02:16:44,440
the South Central area as well as the Hanna areas.

1668
02:16:45,840 --> 02:16:46,960
We could do that.

1669
02:16:47,140 --> 02:16:53,240
It takes money and it would be about $2 million probably to fly the rest of Maui,

1670
02:16:53,240 --> 02:16:56,580
given what we know about the west side planning we've done.

1671
02:16:58,810 --> 02:17:01,550
So to summarize, this is just the first slide that I had.

1672
02:17:03,050 --> 02:17:07,130
We want to develop a new monitoring and management water resource framework.

1673
02:17:07,930 --> 02:17:12,870
We do, we start it by characterizing the aquifers, so we get a better handle on what we know and

1674
02:17:12,870 --> 02:17:13,270
don't know.

1675
02:17:14,070 --> 02:17:18,910
We expand our current modeling capabilities to take advantage of those data, and then we

1676
02:17:18,910 --> 02:17:37,710
support the adaptive management approach being undertaken at the state and presumably at the county levels and then standardize this in a way that can be institutionalized through professional and educational opportunities for future generations.

1677
02:17:39,210 --> 02:17:41,410
Thank you, that's the end of my presentation.

1678
02:17:41,410 --> 02:17:45,490
I have the animation that I can show you if we care to see that.

1679
02:17:45,650 --> 02:17:45,870
Sure.

1680
02:17:46,270 --> 02:17:47,610
You want to set it up right now?

1681
02:17:47,790 --> 02:17:48,390
We're going to...

1682
02:17:48,390 --> 02:17:48,830
Whatever.

1683
02:17:49,230 --> 02:17:50,010
Whichever way you want to go.

1684
02:17:50,010 --> 02:17:50,250
Yeah.

1685
02:17:50,410 --> 02:17:51,630
Let's see if we can see it.

1686
02:17:52,050 --> 02:17:52,290
All right.

1687
02:17:53,110 --> 02:17:57,450
We'll pray to the Internet guys that it works, and if not, we can jump right into it.

1688
02:17:58,770 --> 02:18:00,070
Well, so far so good.

1689
02:18:01,530 --> 02:18:08,790
This is the animation, and let me see if I can find the thing that opens it up.

1690
02:18:11,270 --> 02:18:11,830
Okay,

1691
02:18:14,460 --> 02:18:19,260
I'm reluctant to go too far out here, but what you're seeing is the cross section

1692
02:18:19,260 --> 02:18:25,460
that I showed you earlier in the static image crossing through the data that would be collected

1693
02:18:25,460 --> 02:18:33,540
by the helicopter, and if I interrupt it, I can stop it just about now.

1694
02:18:34,920 --> 02:18:44,720
And that cross-section is a vertical cross-section through the volcano, which shows both the permeable and the non-permeable layers.

1695
02:18:44,720 --> 02:18:52,120
Right now the data are made up based on the lithology data that I have from the Mahinahina deep monitor well.

1696
02:18:52,300 --> 02:18:56,240
It's the only well we have with this kind of information at the moment.

1697
02:18:56,840 --> 02:19:04,040
There are a number of other, all the driller as well, logs, which provide similar, but not reliable information.

1698
02:19:04,740 --> 02:19:13,160
But this gives you an idea of what we'll be able to understand that we don't know, which is if you imagine the light blue line, if it looks that way to you.

1699
02:19:13,660 --> 02:19:20,840
Within this cross section, this would delineate the actual freshwater resources that we have in the aquifers.

1700
02:19:20,840 --> 02:19:39,960
give us the integrated view of these cross-sections which show us the distribution in shape of the aquifers and allow us to understand and model the consequences of additional pumping or the levels of intensity of pumping that affect the salt concentration in the water that we extract.

1701
02:19:43,080 --> 02:19:46,560
Okay, thank you, Dr. for your excellent presentation.

1702
02:19:47,700 --> 02:19:52,020
I want to see if we can get some comments from the administration.

1703
02:19:53,120 --> 02:19:54,900
Director Stuffelbeen, are you on the call?

1704
02:19:56,160 --> 02:19:57,760
We're going to turn off this chair.

1705
02:19:58,460 --> 02:20:00,120
Okay, Director, floor is yours.

1706
02:20:02,780 --> 02:20:07,100
Sure, I've been working with, or listening mostly to John,

1707
02:20:07,100 --> 02:20:14,900
provide a few months on this, and it has some very exciting potential. Identify the problem

1708
02:20:14,900 --> 02:20:21,160
exactly correctly, which is that we have dacophers here on Maui, tend to be very heterogeneous.

1709
02:20:22,160 --> 02:20:26,400
It isn't like other acophers that I've been in other places, it's like a big bowl of sand,

1710
02:20:26,400 --> 02:20:30,880
so it's kind of the same no matter where you are, but here it's very different as you move

1711
02:20:30,880 --> 02:20:36,360
across the acophers because of the way the rock was deposited very, you know, haphazardly

1712
02:20:36,360 --> 02:20:38,020
from the volcanic explosion and the eruption.

1713
02:20:39,080 --> 02:20:41,960
So, you know, and so the fact that you can't put it up well

1714
02:20:41,960 --> 02:20:44,500
into really understand what's going on in a thorough basis.

1715
02:20:45,080 --> 02:20:48,000
So, remote monitoring is a great idea.

1716
02:20:49,180 --> 02:20:51,480
I'm totally supportive of seeing if we can make this work.

1717
02:20:52,540 --> 02:20:55,660
You know, it is really C-worm's responsibility to do this,

1718
02:20:55,980 --> 02:20:58,400
but I'm totally willing to do what we can to help.

1719
02:20:58,800 --> 02:21:01,360
And, you know, as the party utility,

1720
02:21:01,640 --> 02:21:04,080
it would be extremely valuable information for us to have.

1721
02:21:04,260 --> 02:21:05,160
So, we're supportive.

1722
02:21:05,480 --> 02:21:05,700
Thank you.

1723
02:21:05,700 --> 02:21:08,220
All right, thank you, Director Steffel-Bean.

1724
02:21:08,800 --> 02:21:14,540
Okay, let's move on to public testimony for adjusted at one parentheses, 12.

1725
02:21:15,440 --> 02:21:19,980
At this time, if there's anyone wishing to testify on this item, please use the raise

1726
02:21:19,980 --> 02:21:22,700
your hand function, and you'll be called upon to testify.

1727
02:21:23,000 --> 02:21:24,480
Staff, is there anyone wishing to testify?

1728
02:21:27,560 --> 02:21:31,420
No chair, the individual who was originally signed up has left the call.

1729
02:21:31,780 --> 02:21:32,020
Okay.

1730
02:21:32,520 --> 02:21:34,780
Members, seeing there are no more individuals wishing to testify.

1731
02:21:34,780 --> 02:21:36,800
Wow, now closed public testimony for this item.

1732
02:21:36,940 --> 02:21:37,900
Any objections, members?

1733
02:21:38,420 --> 02:21:38,880
Thank you.

1734
02:21:39,420 --> 02:21:40,840
Let's proceed with this agenda.

1735
02:21:42,240 --> 02:21:48,000
A depth one, parentheses 12, aquifer mapping, and long term monitoring of water resources on Maui.

1736
02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:54,120
I propose three minutes per council member for each round of discussion.

1737
02:21:54,940 --> 02:21:58,800
And we'll just go down the same route, and that would be vice chair,

1738
02:21:58,800 --> 02:22:01,520
Residency, Council Member Noilani, ooh, Hodges.

1739
02:22:01,640 --> 02:22:02,760
Noilani, ooh, Hodges.

1740
02:22:03,340 --> 02:22:05,560
Council Member Alesslee, Council Member Alesslee,

1741
02:22:05,660 --> 02:22:06,320
Council Member Paul Michael.

1742
02:22:06,860 --> 02:22:07,600
And I'm hearing an echo.

1743
02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:09,440
Got it? Okay.

1744
02:22:11,280 --> 02:22:13,240
Council Member Sinensee.

1745
02:22:19,300 --> 02:22:21,660
Oh, a lot of minute, Council Member Sinensee,

1746
02:22:21,740 --> 02:22:23,840
you're on mute and just let you go.

1747
02:22:24,080 --> 02:22:25,080
And just let you go.

1748
02:22:25,240 --> 02:22:27,200
Same thing as before and in my priorities.

1749
02:22:27,280 --> 02:22:28,480
This might be one of my priorities.

1750
02:22:28,720 --> 02:22:29,420
I don't know why I keep...

1751
02:22:29,420 --> 02:22:31,120
Okay, I don't know why I keep that good.

1752
02:22:31,860 --> 02:22:32,620
Can you hear me now?

1753
02:22:33,760 --> 02:22:34,800
Very when I try to speak.

1754
02:22:35,040 --> 02:22:36,160
Very when I try to speak.

1755
02:22:37,260 --> 02:22:38,960
Model for the presentation.

1756
02:22:39,740 --> 02:22:39,960
Go ahead.

1757
02:22:40,380 --> 02:22:40,660
Yep.

1758
02:22:41,840 --> 02:22:53,600
So for this type of technology that would just kind of locate where the aquifers are instead

1759
02:22:53,600 --> 02:23:02,260
of trying to, you know, guess where they're at and to see I guess how much first water or

1760
02:23:02,260 --> 02:23:08,200
salt water is in them. That's correct. That's correct. The data on your part. The data on your

1761
02:23:08,200 --> 02:23:14,440
part. Conspiracy. Do you? Conspiracy. Do you have a license? Another device on? We're getting

1762
02:23:20,230 --> 02:23:29,370
I know the fan was on. Okay, are you still getting in there? Okay. Yeah, yeah, am I on twice?

1763
02:23:30,970 --> 02:23:35,230
We're gonna have councilman. We're gonna have you councilman. Every time he's not talking that's not

1764
02:23:47,750 --> 02:23:54,690
I don't know if you have two windows open, I don't know, anyways, he's muted, so...

1765
02:23:55,210 --> 02:23:59,190
Well, let me try and answer the question, I think I understand it, if you can hear me.

1766
02:23:59,190 --> 02:24:03,050
The, I assume you can still hear me, okay.

1767
02:24:04,030 --> 02:24:08,370
The instrument sends energy down and gets back a pulse.

1768
02:24:09,190 --> 02:24:10,210
So we got a bunch of profiles.

1769
02:24:10,390 --> 02:24:15,150
Those profiles can be integrated together to create a picture,

1770
02:24:15,310 --> 02:24:19,570
a three-dimensional picture showing exactly where the fresh water is,

1771
02:24:20,130 --> 02:24:25,430
the extent of it, where the boundary is with the impermeable volcanic rock around it.

1772
02:24:25,430 --> 02:24:32,790
So from that we can calculate the volumes of that water supply and we can calculate the

1773
02:24:32,790 --> 02:24:38,770
interconnectivity and then use those data in a three-dimensional model, conventional

1774
02:24:38,770 --> 02:24:45,170
models that the USGS has developed and uses widely in other places in order to calculate

1775
02:24:45,170 --> 02:24:52,690
where the water flows to and from as well as the consequences of pumping operations on

1776
02:24:52,690 --> 02:25:01,130
those water volumes and on the intrusion by seawater into the fresh water resource itself.

1777
02:25:06,090 --> 02:25:12,470
And then do we see the same type of act because we have volcanic rock?

1778
02:25:13,290 --> 02:25:20,130
Can we see the same type of aquifer collapse like some of the other areas on the mainland?

1779
02:25:20,790 --> 02:25:21,250
Dr. Hilli?

1780
02:25:21,870 --> 02:25:22,330
Dr. Hilli?

1781
02:25:23,730 --> 02:25:24,870
That's an interesting question.

1782
02:25:24,870 --> 02:25:28,850
And there's a lot of subsidence in the Central Valley of California, for example.

1783
02:25:29,570 --> 02:25:32,150
And in the Southwest of the United States,

1784
02:25:34,570 --> 02:25:36,330
we don't experience that here,

1785
02:25:36,410 --> 02:25:38,950
because we don't have sedimentation the same way that they do.

1786
02:25:39,370 --> 02:25:42,710
So that the rock itself provides a lot of structure.

1787
02:25:43,190 --> 02:25:48,070
There may be areas that do collapse because of marginal integrity,

1788
02:25:48,890 --> 02:25:53,930
and the water somehow contributes to their structural integrity.

1789
02:25:53,930 --> 02:26:04,110
I don't think that would generally be the case and it might even be a rare exception for it to a worker, but they're not the same kind of conditions that we have.

1790
02:26:04,710 --> 02:26:15,450
So if we deplete a volume here, if we pump fresh water exhaustively from an area, our problem is that sea water comes in to replace it.

1791
02:26:19,750 --> 02:26:21,430
Okay, thank you, thank you, Chair.

1792
02:26:22,170 --> 02:26:24,070
Thank you, Council Member.

1793
02:26:24,710 --> 02:26:28,390
Okay, let's move on to Council Member Uehadjins,

1794
02:26:28,550 --> 02:26:29,430
followed by Council Member Cook.

1795
02:26:31,830 --> 02:26:32,530
Thank you, Chair.

1796
02:26:32,730 --> 02:26:34,790
For right now, I have no questions, either.

1797
02:26:34,950 --> 02:26:36,130
Thank you for the presentation.

1798
02:26:36,410 --> 02:26:39,050
I look forward to seeing this on your budget priorities.

1799
02:26:40,970 --> 02:26:41,670
Sounds good.

1800
02:26:43,350 --> 02:26:47,610
Council Member Cook, followed by, well, Council Member Paul.

1801
02:26:50,460 --> 02:26:51,380
Thank you, Doctor.

1802
02:26:51,380 --> 02:26:55,980
Is there a consensus on rates of recharge?

1803
02:26:56,580 --> 02:27:06,840
I assume it would very greatly depending upon the terrain and the porosity of the soil and what not, but I've heard that it takes centuries, years.

1804
02:27:07,600 --> 02:27:15,260
So could you give from your experience with Hawaiian soils what our recharges works?

1805
02:27:15,260 --> 02:27:15,960
Sure.

1806
02:27:16,400 --> 02:27:24,450
Based on USGS reports that I've read, not on direct firsthand experience, and the

1807
02:27:24,450 --> 02:27:32,010
literature that I've read about it, the Hawaiian terrain is complicated, obviously, by the

1808
02:27:32,010 --> 02:27:33,170
stratification.

1809
02:27:33,810 --> 02:27:40,290
So, we get rainfall at the surface, let's say, from Pukuku, it percolates down through this

1810
02:27:40,290 --> 02:28:00,310
structure and toward the ocean, the rechargerate near the surface and by the near the surface, I mean the first tens of meters into the groundwater aquifers when it gets down toward a macaque, it gets down low enough to pool up, so to speak.

1811
02:28:02,270 --> 02:28:08,930
Then there's mixing below that, which is much slower on the order of 62, 90 years depending

1812
02:28:08,930 --> 02:28:15,650
upon how it's measured, where it's measured, and how much rain there's been, and how

1813
02:28:15,650 --> 02:28:17,650
much is taken upstream as well through pumping.

1814
02:28:18,350 --> 02:28:25,790
But then there's water below that that we don't really know much about, certainly not in

1815
02:28:25,790 --> 02:28:31,650
Maui, which probably moves on geologic timescales, which is more like 10,000 years.

1816
02:28:32,370 --> 02:28:39,810
So there's a hierarchy, stratification of recharge, which is short-term, but still measured

1817
02:28:39,810 --> 02:28:48,550
in years from a meaningful groundwater resource point of view, although it's stream flow at

1818
02:28:48,550 --> 02:28:51,050
the surface as a reflection of groundwater.

1819
02:28:51,050 --> 02:28:58,330
water, so that happens within days sometimes, but that's very shallow, if even penetrating

1820
02:28:58,330 --> 02:28:58,690
it all.

1821
02:28:59,110 --> 02:29:02,950
Then as you go down, the time constant changes, it gets longer and longer.

1822
02:29:04,110 --> 02:29:11,850
My understanding is that we're talking about decades to centuries of the water resources

1823
02:29:11,850 --> 02:29:15,870
that we've been taking, and that the plantations have been taking for 150 years.

1824
02:29:15,870 --> 02:29:35,770
So, let me put it in the context for a South Maori, where we get a tremendous amount of flood waters from up country, the recharge on from Kulakai, basically the mountain you get cornerweathers, but in general, it's a very low rainfall, but you get a tremendous amount of water from the bridge line coming down.

1825
02:29:35,770 --> 02:29:39,950
The idea of basically doing major detention,

1826
02:29:40,510 --> 02:29:43,730
terraces, and basins to capture the flood water,

1827
02:29:44,550 --> 02:29:48,670
that type of thing, say it, two thousand feet elevation,

1828
02:29:49,490 --> 02:29:52,770
will that impact the, will that be recharge,

1829
02:29:53,690 --> 02:29:58,670
and is it like my lifetime or somebody else's lifetime?

1830
02:29:58,670 --> 02:29:59,970
and they try to reach out over.

1831
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,740
Recharge, intentional recharge like that, sometimes referred to as water banking, depends on where you do it. So if you're doing it in an area that's highly permeable, it'll happen in a short time. And it will happen, for example, to Larry Lake in California had a tremendous flood in 2017 and I think extending into 2018 water years, where there was a lake that appeared historically had been present.

1832
02:30:29,740 --> 02:30:35,420
But it had also been not present for quite a long time on the order of 100 years, I think.

1833
02:30:36,580 --> 02:30:39,020
But it reappeared because of the flood condition.

1834
02:30:39,620 --> 02:30:48,060
That water disappeared within a year or two by intentional recharge and also natural percolation and evaporation.

1835
02:30:50,100 --> 02:30:57,240
So it depends on where you put a recharge, detention basin, and what the underlying geology is.

1836
02:30:58,380 --> 02:31:07,980
You probably don't want to put it down in a very low lying area where the water table is already high because you're not going to get near recharge or you're going to lose the freshwater resource to mixing.

1837
02:31:09,200 --> 02:31:12,000
So probably that's a key consideration in the central.

1838
02:31:12,380 --> 02:31:13,940
So I get a 2000 foot elevation.

1839
02:31:14,180 --> 02:31:18,960
I don't know the I don't know the right number. I don't want to put a number on it because I don't think I don't know enough.

1840
02:31:19,780 --> 02:31:27,640
We could fly as instrument and try and understand the structure of that area better and I think we could come up with a better answer.

1841
02:31:28,040 --> 02:31:28,480
Thank you, sir.

1842
02:31:30,320 --> 02:31:32,600
Okay. Let's move on to Councilmember Poulton.

1843
02:31:37,860 --> 02:31:40,100
Thank you, Chair. So, first question.

1844
02:31:40,480 --> 02:31:50,200
If we had this data from the AEM, we wouldn't need a guy like Tom Nance telling us where to place the wells

1845
02:31:50,200 --> 02:31:56,480
because we'd see like where the water is and how semen it is, is that accurate to see?

1846
02:31:57,020 --> 02:32:01,960
What Tom Nance uses to the things that I have to say is I've seen that he's done.

1847
02:32:02,780 --> 02:32:08,880
He collects the same similar type of data using a single point source or a small number.

1848
02:32:09,340 --> 02:32:15,240
So he puts antennas out in the field and we'll cover a particular area.

1849
02:32:15,240 --> 02:32:22,840
Yeah. And that's a valuable thing. I've looked at those data in particular for West Maui.

1850
02:32:23,880 --> 02:32:30,600
And we looked at what's called depth of penetration of his signals down to about, we estimate

1851
02:32:30,600 --> 02:32:39,620
they could go to about 300 meters. This, which is about 6,000 feet, this instrument will

1852
02:32:39,620 --> 02:32:49,720
We'll go to 500 meters and allow us to characterize the bottom layers of the volcanic strata much more completely.

1853
02:32:50,260 --> 02:32:55,360
But also, in a way that Tom can't do or Mr. Nance, I don't know him personally.

1854
02:32:55,360 --> 02:33:04,580
I shouldn't refer to him my first name is we can fly an area synoptically in a short period of time,

1855
02:33:04,580 --> 02:33:12,880
get data of better quality over a broader area at a higher resolution than you can achieve

1856
02:33:12,880 --> 02:33:15,460
by walking around and putting instruments out in the field.

1857
02:33:16,100 --> 02:33:23,380
So this helicopter will fly flight lines that are separated by about 100 meters, more

1858
02:33:23,380 --> 02:33:31,320
or less getting a continuous stream of profiles where the Nancy type instrument would get one

1859
02:33:31,320 --> 02:33:38,900
profile at each location. So in a course of a few weeks, hopefully we will be able to do the

1860
02:33:38,900 --> 02:33:49,020
final. I want to ask about the initial 2.5 mil seems like it would be for the mapping with

1861
02:33:49,020 --> 02:33:58,120
the helicopter and then the 0.5 mil for maintenance. How does that work like as water gets taken out,

1862
02:33:58,120 --> 02:34:06,520
you use the 2.5 as the data collected with the 2.5 million shot as the baseline. And then you

1863
02:34:07,420 --> 02:34:14,260
calculate how much is being pumped and the salinity levels. You only need to fly one time. How is

1864
02:34:14,260 --> 02:34:21,200
the 0.5 million utilized for maintenance? Yes. The helicopter flight is a one-time thing

1865
02:34:22,520 --> 02:34:29,420
You could, of course, fly subsequently for scientific interest or other reasons, but it's

1866
02:34:29,420 --> 02:34:29,960
not necessary.

1867
02:34:30,160 --> 02:34:34,580
The plan is that you fly at one time, it gives you the container structure, if you like,

1868
02:34:34,740 --> 02:34:35,760
the reservoir structure.

1869
02:34:36,600 --> 02:34:44,160
And then we monitor that reservoir structure by single-point instruments analogous to Tom

1870
02:34:44,160 --> 02:34:47,700
on the anti-type measurement, but also through measurements in the wells.

1871
02:34:49,240 --> 02:34:50,660
I'll elaborate this a little bit.

1872
02:34:51,460 --> 02:34:55,080
The deep monitor well in Mejina, Heena is the only one that goes from surface to the

1873
02:34:55,080 --> 02:34:55,720
sea.

1874
02:34:56,540 --> 02:34:59,380
And it's designed for monitoring, it's not designed for production.

1875
02:34:59,840 --> 02:35:03,100
Production wells cannot be instrumented.

1876
02:35:03,160 --> 02:35:08,240
You can't make measurements in them because they tend to generally blocked, or measurements

1877
02:35:08,240 --> 02:35:10,960
would interfere with the production and just doesn't work.

1878
02:35:10,960 --> 02:35:11,120
work.

1879
02:35:11,840 --> 02:35:16,420
If the USGS, because of its work in Red Hill, has come up with instruments that can take

1880
02:35:16,420 --> 02:35:24,280
advantage of some types of production wells and basically do an NMR or a different kind

1881
02:35:24,280 --> 02:35:27,900
of horizontal imaging by lowering the instrument down the borehole.

1882
02:35:28,500 --> 02:35:34,700
So we're optimistic that with the helicopter data as the baseline, as you say, then in the

1883
02:35:34,700 --> 02:35:39,440
in the future, we can start to take advantage of some of these more modern techniques for

1884
02:35:40,200 --> 02:35:42,480
exploiting the wells themselves.

1885
02:35:44,830 --> 02:35:45,290
Chair.

1886
02:35:46,790 --> 02:35:48,630
We have Director Stufflebeen.

1887
02:35:49,950 --> 02:35:53,410
I just want to add that this will not put Tom Nance out of business.

1888
02:35:54,870 --> 02:35:56,170
I don't think so.

1889
02:35:57,870 --> 02:36:02,810
What this will do, though, is I think in my opinion, would provide them additional information,

1890
02:36:02,810 --> 02:36:05,230
information, very valuable information to help them do their job better.

1891
02:36:07,150 --> 02:36:07,710
Okay.

1892
02:36:09,150 --> 02:36:09,810
All right.

1893
02:36:09,910 --> 02:36:10,190
Are you finished?

1894
02:36:10,450 --> 02:36:11,050
And then I'll go ahead.

1895
02:36:12,630 --> 02:36:19,470
So when you have the deep monitoring, well, the pumpage data and the information from this,

1896
02:36:19,670 --> 02:36:26,310
how does that help you calculate what a daily sustainable yield is, or any given, well,

1897
02:36:26,810 --> 02:36:27,310
Dr. Helen.

1898
02:36:29,150 --> 02:36:35,850
So you get the three-dimensional structure that gives us a three-dimensional mesh, three-ferred

1899
02:36:35,850 --> 02:36:36,850
two for the modeling.

1900
02:36:37,690 --> 02:36:42,510
Then the recharge estimate comes from the kinds of studies that the USGS has already

1901
02:36:42,510 --> 02:36:43,390
done conventionally.

1902
02:36:43,450 --> 02:36:46,930
There was one published just two years and up two years ago an update.

1903
02:36:47,630 --> 02:36:53,090
That provides what are called initial and boundary conditions for the surface conditions, so it

1904
02:36:53,090 --> 02:37:02,690
as how the model, how nature behaves, and that is used to drive the model to set, to use

1905
02:37:02,690 --> 02:37:08,570
the term drive of the model, a three-dimensional mesh, by recharge, and then we monitor the

1906
02:37:08,570 --> 02:37:13,810
model predictions as we run it forward through time for prediction by what we see in the

1907
02:37:13,810 --> 02:37:23,070
wells. So that's where the adaptive management part comes through here, because it's an

1908
02:37:23,070 --> 02:37:29,110
We make a prediction, make measurements based on the well performance and then we adapt

1909
02:37:29,110 --> 02:37:33,170
the modeling predictions based on the feedback from those measurements.

1910
02:37:34,610 --> 02:37:43,330
Okay. The bell rang. I'll do a second around if you need them but I'd like to ask

1911
02:37:44,130 --> 02:37:44,930
as well.

1912
02:37:47,730 --> 02:37:54,230
Dr. Helle, the idea of the helicopter is fascinating to me and that it's already

1913
02:37:54,230 --> 02:38:00,190
being done. Has anybody been looking at drones instead of helicopters? Is that an option

1914
02:38:00,190 --> 02:38:05,010
on the table? Yeah, drones are an obvious desirability.

1915
02:38:05,530 --> 02:38:11,030
The problem is that the instrument package weighs about 1,200 pounds, so you really need

1916
02:38:11,030 --> 02:38:12,090
to helicopter to fly it.

1917
02:38:12,490 --> 02:38:16,930
Similar kinds of instruments are flown on fixed wing aircraft, but

1918
02:38:16,930 --> 02:38:20,810
they're really designed for much larger areas, like the Outback of Australia.

1919
02:38:23,550 --> 02:38:28,710
Okay, I want to ask a little bit about the actual numbers you're saying.

1920
02:38:29,530 --> 02:38:30,510
Correct me if I'm wrong.

1921
02:38:30,710 --> 02:38:33,110
500 meters is a typical well, is that?

1922
02:38:34,330 --> 02:38:40,850
500 meters is a maximum depth of penetration of the instrument.

1923
02:38:40,850 --> 02:38:49,650
Okay, and how deep do our wells typically go the the product deep monitor well goes to about just under 1,300 feet. Oh

1924
02:38:51,070 --> 02:38:57,610
Okay, so the Mejina deep water wells just under 1,300 feet you say all right and

1925
02:38:58,490 --> 02:39:07,150
So this this should be able to the the apparatus the EEM, I think it's called right that should be able to find

1926
02:39:07,150 --> 02:39:13,150
And water sources that are regular wells are tapping into, right?

1927
02:39:13,410 --> 02:39:18,610
And all of the dikes, you say, the interconnectivity between the two is that-

1928
02:39:18,610 --> 02:39:19,790
So as we monitor that-

1929
02:39:19,790 --> 02:39:32,850
So when the instruments flying close to the ocean, close to sea level, you know, penetrate obviously, say, let's say, 500 meters down, so 1600 feet or so.

1930
02:39:32,850 --> 02:39:40,890
know, when you actually more like 1800 feet, but the, as you move

1931
02:39:40,890 --> 02:39:46,470
Malca, you're, that you're moving into a higher, greater

1932
02:39:46,470 --> 02:39:50,550
elevation. So you're still only going to get that layer down to

1933
02:39:50,550 --> 02:39:55,310
500 meters, but we're hopeful that we can see the dike

1934
02:39:55,310 --> 02:40:01,630
structure as we move Malca. One of the problems we have in, in

1935
02:40:01,630 --> 02:40:13,590
And flying helicopters that the valleys that are greatest interest are very narrow and difficult to fly a helicopter in not just because the instrument hanging below it, but also because of the wind.

1936
02:40:14,070 --> 02:40:22,290
So we don't know how much of that we're going to be able to sample, but the goal is to sample as much as we can because the important streams go up into those valleys.

1937
02:40:22,670 --> 02:40:23,670
Yeah, very important.

1938
02:40:23,670 --> 02:40:29,010
Well, okay, thank you for your time and thank you for your presentation.

1939
02:40:29,350 --> 02:40:31,270
Let me see if there's a need for a second round.

1940
02:40:31,450 --> 02:40:34,070
Otherwise, members, I think that takes us to the end.

1941
02:40:34,290 --> 02:40:35,830
Any second round questions?

1942
02:40:36,390 --> 02:40:37,130
Okay, seeing none.

1943
02:40:37,870 --> 02:40:43,730
I want to thank you once again for your time and your presentation and thank Director Stuffel

1944
02:40:43,730 --> 02:40:47,350
Bean for working with you because it's really interesting stuff and once again, members,

1945
02:40:48,230 --> 02:40:50,990
we're softening you up for a budget ask.

1946
02:40:50,990 --> 02:41:02,770
So, be ready for, you know, if that comes around and then you can always reach out to Dr. Hailey on your own time and if you have any more questions, thank you for all your hard work in your community and with this community.

1947
02:41:03,870 --> 02:41:06,550
Members, if there's any objections, I'll defer this item.

1948
02:41:08,390 --> 02:41:17,090
Okay, does that take us to the end of the agenda staff? That's at the end of the agenda. Members, it's 1201 and the adept committee is now adjourned.