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We acknowledge theles
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Move the 2.0
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Okay. CEO.

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So I've got the fees regional
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Uh it's a discussion around a grant
application and we need a level of

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support for that. So we want to put that
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we just put

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then I have the peace regional
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board appointment
that's P Rsb

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appointment so maybe that so
when we go under

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just put that under.
>> Yes, please.

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» Obvious.

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» What is that one?
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» Peace regional subdivision and
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» That's it. that
>> I have um unsightful properties in Star.

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» Okay. So item B would be unsightly
properties reverse star.

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[clears throat]

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Um
obvious we I guess maybe for lifetime

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gray right crops quite far away and I
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something
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» it is not in our policy so it needs to
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Mayor
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Okay. Anything else?
Seeing nothing. A motion to adopt the

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agenda with the additions. Council
Haliski. All in favor?

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Minutes from our previous meeting. Our
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we held.

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So any comments coming out of that? If
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get those minutes.
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You good, Jessica?
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» Okay, we can move down to 4.0
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hearing.
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though, I think. Right. Right. There was
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make them in one motion or do we need to
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meetings from our July 14th and two
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need to
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meeting. We did. Okay. I thought we did
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the regular meeting minutes right with
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» Yeah. So there's two corrections. So we
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to 1:00 p.m. and then just the location
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» Okay. So then looking for a motion for
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will approve the minutes from the
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And that was
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until the public hearing will do at 11
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writing presentation with Michael Walker
with Associated Engineering. So, you can

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get him on the screen for us.
Ready?

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All right.
>> Good morning, Michael.

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» Good morning. Um, I just got uh uh that
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possible to get that enabled?
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In the meantime, while we're doing that,
let's just introduce council and

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administration to you.
>> Deputy on my far left.

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» Good morning, Ken. Representative W,
Warrenville, La Cardell area.

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» Morning Gary Day one.
>> Good morning, Gloria Den five breaking

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point.
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Award seven,
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» Do we have men and Dr. Josh
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General Schwab, director of public
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» And then we'll get to the
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good morning. and Jessica.
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Gums,
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screen sharing going here for you.
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» So, whereabouts are you sitting this
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» I am in beautiful partly cloudy
Saskatchewan. It's usually sunny, so I

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usually get to say sunny, but uh partly
cloudy this morning. So, um yeah, thank

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nice to meet all of council and staff.
um thank you for the opportunity to uh

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spend some time with you here this
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director of finance their uh his job a
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» um should mention I've got uh Sean
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want to introduce yourself?
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Uh Sean, there you go. Uh Sean Nickel. I
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for associate engineering.
>> Okay, welcome.

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Can you maybe try again sharing?
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participant screen sharing. Um, is it
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something and then I can uh

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I will uh I will endeavor to keep this
to time. So, uh, feel free anytime

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throughout. There's a lot of acronyms in
the grant world. Um, feel free to Oh,

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let sorry, I guess I'm admitting people
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any point. Um, ask for clarification on
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understand, that sort of thing. as well
as uh I mentioned to Jessica, I'm I'm

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absolutely happy to do a working group
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want to dive in to any details. Um but
yeah, to try to fit this in um as best

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we can in the time. So yeah, this is the
funding toolkit. Uh it's going to cover

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grants, partnerships, and innovative
financing. Um so not just grants, but

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we'll try to get to everything there. My
name is Mike Walker, and uh yeah, we'll

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go from there. Couple pretty pictures at
the start. My most re well not most

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recent but most recent delivered grant
wins. We've got city vest van at about

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$12 million project and then for Capella
water treatment plant. Uh we've been

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working for years on that one. Finally
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that one. So um good good news stories
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And a little bit about myself. I am a
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University of Alberta uh in northern
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of history in northern Alberta. Um, I
also do project management. I'm a dad.

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I've got three kids. Um, I do a lot of
international work as well. You might

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have seen my background pop up there at
the start for Fidic. Um, so I I do a lot

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of international work as well. And then
I have a history as a consultant and a

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contractor. Uh, I worked with E
Construction. Um, but up in your neck of

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the woods, probably who would be the uh
the equivalent that I worked with. So,

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lots of history there. Um, we've got
Highway 88 in the top left you guys are

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probably familiar with. Uh, built that
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in southern Alberta um with the Rogers
Pass Avalanche Mitigation. So, I got to

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build uh some rocket launchers on top of
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So, I think I've I've peaked engineering
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so, what I've started looking at now is
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this? So the overall components of the
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project in Beaver County, uh so just
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Township Road 520. Um I didn't
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part to the project. Now hopefully
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combining the two together.
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whole presentation this morning, so
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version of it, but basically uh, what we
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people, proper budgets, less RFPs,
reduced risk, less scope changes, less

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stress. Is anyone opposed to any of
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» No.
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were there elephants on that slide?
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Sorry,
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» because I I was actually just in South
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Anyone heard uh or here we'll switch
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recent. So to treat the part, you must
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kids? Anyone know where this is from?
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Dumbo.
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your clothes. Feel your hand. Does that
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» What?
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» So, as I was building this presentation
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listening to uh or watching K-pop demon
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"Oh, that's great. Tons of treats apart.
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just look at the engineering, the
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overall project finance because if we the operation based on cash flow

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because we win you a big grant but you
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job properly. So we have to look at the
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municipality of the county to fully
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what I was originally going to talk
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parable. And usually we spread this way
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I'll just go through basically ancient
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India they would say uh you know lots of
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lots of uh a couple blind men heard that
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no idea what this elephant was. So they
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around on the legs and said this strong
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trunk of a tree. The other one said, you
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is is pointy. It's must be a spear. But
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hole. So what we are looking at now and
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instead of having projects and
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different parts of the elephant, we want
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the entire elephant, the entire beast
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each other and not adversely impact each
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unintended consequences.
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your jobs, oh, here we go. You have
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budget management, coordinating public
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all that sort of. And then all of a
sudden, the red stuff comes up where I

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think the, you know, the cool the main
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capital projects, right? However, you
have a whole bunch of stuff that

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probably kept you up at night before
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which I know you were all super excited
for. But if we can take part of this and

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integrate it into the whole, then we
will do a better job of that. So, the

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topic dour is grants
and we want to go through what are they,

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where to find them, how to go through
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Grants group secret sauce. Um, if you
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Sean a call, by all means. If not, you
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fill your boots. Um, I'm just happy when
the grant money comes back to Western

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Canada. Um, because in reality, a lot of
the grant money is just our taxes got

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shipped off east, rebranded, and
hopefully we can send them back west.

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So, if we can do that, I think that's a
win. If you choose to work with us, even

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better. Um, I'll talk about financing
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some grant writing tips, and some
submission tips. Uh, but again, that

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gets kind of into the weeds. So, uh,
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basically, alternate project funding and
grants, you're either looking at your

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money that's in your bank account or
someone else's money. Doesn't matter if

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it's in a bank, um, design, build, P3,
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whatever it is, it's in somebody else's
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that.
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versus a grant. And I know this is very
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complex. It's basically do you have to
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we get you a grant, but if we can't do
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well. And those can either be from
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institutions, uh Canadian infrastructure
bank, there's international banks that

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can do this as well. Uh tons of options.
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we're looking at grants, are they
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lot of money available. However, it's
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billions there, we can kind of think of
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relatively um good to go. But if you
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those, um, you're starting to look at
more of a beauty contest, more of a

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competitive, and you're going up against
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um, from across Canada.
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percentages are because if we go in and
we say uh you know your um

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municipalities in in Canada you know get
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responsible for 60% of the
infrastructure. So that gap that funding

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gap is what is really fueling our
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And even though you're getting free
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said in in a meeting a couple years ago
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afford free money anymore. We cannot
fund 26% on CHIF in that example for

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that province, uh, with 6%. So, we have
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doing. We have to look at how how we're
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then we also look at increased climate
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causing more infrastructure spending. So
again, keep an eye on those numbers

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because not all grants are created
equal. Some might be 5050 and your cash

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flow might be impacted because of that.
Some will get money up front and some

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you have to get reimbured after. So um
and that then brings up the big

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question. Why are we talking with an
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do engineering, build things, pumps, and
whatever? Well, if you look all the way

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down in the bottom right of this thing,
this is our full uh suite of services at

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AE Associated Engineering. We got 21
offices across Canada. Um, grant funding

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is a very, very small, we're quiet about
what we do. Water's big thing, roads are

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a big thing. We don't usually put up,
you know, awards for grant funding, that

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sort of thing, but we definitely do help
out with that. and we are pretty decent

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at it. Uh so this is my proof in the
pudding slide where in the last 6 years

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we started tracking this. Uh we are at
about an 85% win rate. We are super

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proud of uh the win rate for the average
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significantly lower. We were a little uh
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this the uh spinning wheel on the right.
Uh but if you ever been at any of our

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events where we have the big spinning
wheel um you know you can win something.

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I personally like spinning on the one on
the left. Uh sometimes it does hit lose,

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sometimes the one on the right hits win.
Such is life. Um but the odds uh

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definitely increase when you stack your
deck. So yeah, and we actually just won

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a bunch more recently. So this is about
an 85% win rate, but the average

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Canadian grant submission, and this
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pull out of Stats Canada, so we were
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what that grant is, uh, it could be as
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such as training grants. This can be
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This could be absolutely anything that
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to do apples to apples, but we are
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communities across Western Canada in the
last six years. We are the largest one

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that we can find. If you can find
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we have been so far unable to. our
largest competition which I will talk

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about our competition in the future
slides on this or other companies that

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do this uh next biggest one is Grant
Match uh they're at about 300 million

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reported um in the last six years so
time space and they're at a 75% win rate

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however they run a different model where
they will take 10% um I just got a call

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a couple days ago where they said hey we
won but now we need to pay a million

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bucks to grant match um for the pleasure
of doing business with um you know, we

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we wish we would have gone with you guys
and that's fine. We'll we'll still help

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them out, but just know what you're
getting into and all of a sudden they're

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11 million uh dollar project is now a
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anything else for that.
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» Y so if they if they take a 10% fee, how
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» Yeah, so we so what we basically do, it
depends what you need up front. Um,

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generally we go by level of effort of
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like a Chris grant we'll do for free. It
takes 10 minutes. As long as you know

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your name and your address, we'll we'll
help you out fill out the form. It's

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three pages, super easy. Something like
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Green Municipal Green Municipal Fund of
FCM make us go through a bunch more

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hoops. So, we're finding that we're
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70 hours on that. So what we do is we uh
bill usually for those we'll say five

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5,000 bucks upfront um [clears throat]
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recoverable by the grant as well. So if
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Um but that helps us then focus our
people that are otherwise doing projects

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uh to be able to have a project number
go after it. Sometimes we'll go over

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that amount and uh we we eat that. We
put some skin in the game too, but it

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just helps us um do it. So, 5,000 bucks
versus in this case a million bucks. Um,

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so far it's working for us and that that
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think get that 85%. To be totally
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» Thank you.
>> Yeah. But if there are reports if

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there's something that that is needed
like if you need a big feasibility

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report what we will do is we will
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what we can do is uh taking the Chris
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into the BCSF grant, we can actually get
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to get the feasibility study done, maybe
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the BCSF is, which stream you go with,
um we can actually leverage those one

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into the next. So, we can minimize that
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paid for by another grant as well, which
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» on that.
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$5,000 then? So, you ask for any grant
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» Yeah. Well, depending what it is, right?
If you come to us and say we need this

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gigantic study done ahead of time, well,
then we have to look at that. We'll

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we'll work with you on it. Um but yeah,
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let's say LLCA. Uh we've put a cap at
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» Yeah, because I'm working on a grant
application right now. And they require

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a climate change uh workshop as part of
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the grant. So that was, you know, above
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we're still well under, you know, 10% of
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time we're done. Right.
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the clients I've worked with have said
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get 8 million bucks, a $5,000
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thing on that wheel, right? There's a We
do lose grants. Um but usually most

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recently, we've been losing them because
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not because they're not eligible. So,
that's where we're gonna get into some

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great tips in a little bit. Um, but I'm
going to try to fly through the next

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couple slides here. Just cut me off
when, uh, when my time's up.

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Okay. So, a lot of these grants, um,
basically I track right now, I think my

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active list has about 76 grants on it
currently. Uh, some big, some small,

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some traffic grants, some, uh, safety
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most recent one I just won was 23
million. Uh we're very happy with that.

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I've got a council meeting tomorrow
night um for that one. So they're

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absolutely ecstatic. Um but there are a
whole bunch out there. So there's CHIF

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BCSF. ICIP is dead, but that's fine. Uh
you can look at your gas tax which is

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built into BCSF now. But a lot of these
are moving the names over time. So sign

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up to the FCM list. Um make sure you
know which is which. [clears throat] and

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then they will also announce new ones
when they come out. Provincial

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government, I got a couple listed there.
Uh we've got Canada Infrastructure Bank,

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uh we have a partnership with Sophia
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Uh FCM I talked about there a couple
options if you want to get into

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buildings, roads, drainage, whatever it
might be. Uh Chris is the climate uh

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ready infrastructure service. So that is
by the Canadian Urban Institute. That is

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a great entrance in. It allows you for
$24,000 uh to be able to do studies,

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open houses, anything like that to be
able to uh move forward. And then like I

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said, we usually the secret sauce right
now is leverage Chris into FCM into

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BCSF. Um probably change when new stuff
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we're doing. And then there's a bunch of
other ones. private. You can get

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insurance companies to fund uh insurance
Canada infrastructure sorry insurance

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bureau uh of Canada um just released
that they have a uh massive massive

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climate induced uh spend on the in on
insurance side. Um so leveraging with

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them being able to reduce their risk and
exposure by building infrastructure is

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going to be something that is going to
be increasingly big. We've seen that in

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southern Alberta with the floods. Uh
we're seeing it with some of the fires

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in the north and um flooding throughout
Manitoba right now. So lots of options.

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Um happy to chat.
That's sorry this is just a little snip

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from my uh my thing. Uh we generally go
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BCSF is in there taking its place from
CHIF. Um but like I said, we've got 76

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tracking otherwise. Um some level of
effort base 5,000 you see on the right

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there. Uh Chris is a zero. We just it's
not even worth us setting up the time.

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It's so fast. Um go from there. Green
Municipal Fund has the opportunity

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funer. So if you want to find that uh
instead of just going to Google, you can

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go to uh that one. Uh I'll send you guys
a copy of these slides here. Um at the

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end you can go through them. Um the
finder will help you. You just click

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through say hey I'm a municipality and I
want you know new building retrofit.

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Great. Off you go. and it's got all the
details there. Um there's quite a bit

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but uh it can take some time to go
through other things like I mentioned

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you got grant match you got Alberta
grant watch uh grant gazette there's

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lots of services that will do this for
you we are just one we also happen to

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have an engineering problem that we do
on the side but uh um there's lots of

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things available so the municipal
affairs site um you can go to BCSF you

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can get the uh lots of documents from
the feds but it can be a little bit

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overwhelming so we do have a dedicated
grant group. Uh there's a couple people

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in Northern Alberta. So you've got
Andrew Christopher, uh Sean online with

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me here. Um and then you've also got
Jeff Erlam. Uh so Andrew and Jeff based

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out of Edmonton. Uh Sean out of GP. So
um lots of local options. And then if we

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need to leverage as well, we're we're
kind of network um you know, say Peter

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finds something in Ontario that's
applicable, we share that around. We

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make sure that uh communities that don't
have enough money to meet their

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infrastructure needs can help leverage
some of this and kind of help that out.

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Uh then Sofia mentioned this one. Uh
what Sofiac does is they uh fund backed

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by the Canada Infrastructure Bank. So if
you have a efficiency upgrade, so let's

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say you've got a rink, you've got arena
buildings, municipal, whatever, and you

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want to improve your uh energy spend uh
furnace efficiencies, chillers, whatever

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it might be, you can actually pay the
grant or the loan back at a uh very very

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low interest rate um with the savings,
the cost savings that you would have

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from the utilities. So that is another
option. Um, you do have to pay back some

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of the money, but you can do it. And,
uh, they will also go in and do a bunch

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of the testing for you. There's a lot of
off-ramps, there's a lot of safety, so

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you aren't handcuffed to the project,
and we can help you throughout that as

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well, acting as owner's engineer um to
kind of make sure that the your uh best

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interests are in mind.
Uh, and then a whole bunch of

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philanthropic stuff, too. If you're
doing a hospital or something like that,

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um, lots of options there. We've got
connections at Global Philanthropic that

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can help out. Um, but that's a whole
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Okay. Um, how to get grant ready?
Really, do you want to be react

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proactive, reactive? If you knew that,
you know, the grant was closing. This is

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an old slide, but uh, if you knew the
grant was closing November 29th, uh,

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very bad to find out about this on
November 30th. Um, nice to know that

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it's coming out ahead of time. So, what
we're seeing is a lot of LLCA uh now

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actually telling us when the next
opening is, which is in October. So, we

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have time to get prepped for it, time to
get ready, get everything set up, and

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then go. We can dust it off, submit it,
get a shovel ready, you know, all that

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sort of fun stuff. And then when the the
grants open, we're the first one through

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the door to avoid that overs subscribed.
Because a lot of grants right now,

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they're doing what's called a rolling
intake. And instead of getting all of

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their submissions by the date that they
close, evaluating them and ranking them,

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they're doing them as they come in. And
so they evaluate it. If it meets the

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criteria, it goes into the approved
pile. And in the approved pile grows

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until the money runs out, and then they
say for everyone else, "Yeah, yours was

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great, but you'll have to put it in next
intake." So, we would prefer to submit

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early and on time as opposed to waiting
until it comes out, you know, thinking

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about it, getting it on the agenda for
the next council meeting. Maybe it gets

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bumped because there's, you know, other
important things going on. Um, then you

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panic, you throw it together, and then
maybe you you submit right at the end,

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and you find out that it's
oversubscribed, and that that hurts. We

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don't like that. So, proactive is what
we advocate for. Um, but up to you guys

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how you want to do it.
Now, I realize I am at or beyond time.

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Do you want to put a pin in it here and
take it offline or

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» How much time would you need to finish
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» Uh, I've got 16 slides left.
>> I could probably get you give me five

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minutes, I can rock through this.
>> Hey, let's do that.

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» That works. Okay, awesome. Thank you. So
grant writing 101, establish the need.

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If you baseline and we've got your asset
management plan, if you don't have an

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asset management plan, we can get you
grant for an asset management plan. We

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can go in, figure out what your
infrastructure deficit is, then figure

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out what your infrastructure needs are,
and then come up with a 10-year capital

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plan. We can get that paid usually at
about 80% coverage. If we then go into

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your budgets, we figure out we work with
your director of finance instead of, you

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know, working public works here and and
finance here. bring everyone together at

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the table, work together to make sure
that we're financing this properly and

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we're cash flowing it properly. [snorts]
Then we look at is it regulatory driven?

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Are there social impacts? Are there
safety impacts? Um if there's any of the

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social regulatory or safety impacts,
sometimes we can get grants uh from

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different uh entities as well. But first
and foremost, follow the instructions.

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This is what I get back from all the
grant writing things when we do

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debriefs. The number one thing that they
kicked grants out for is they did not

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follow the instructions. They filled out
the wrong form. They filled out their

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own form. They put it in an Excel file
when it should have been in a word file.

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They didn't PDF it. Little things like
that um can really really shoot you in

402
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:56,559
the foot. So, as simple as it is, follow
the instructions.

403
00:31:54,559 --> 00:32:00,880
So, use the forms. Some are simple, some
are complex. The FCM forms, I am not a

404
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:04,799
huge fan of them. I found errors in
their spreadsheets. Uh, but we've been

405
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:08,559
working together. They're usually pretty
good. As long as we have time before the

406
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:13,760
thing closes, we can figure out the
errors, we can get that changed. Um,

407
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:20,399
submit in the correct format. Uh,
famously, ICIP wanted a KMZ file

408
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:25,120
uh, plopped into a Word document as an
image, and that's what they wanted. If

409
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:29,200
you did it wrong, hopefully they would
contact you and say, "You didn't do this

410
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:33,600
right." But it's silly little things
like that that you know the feds want in

411
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:37,360
a certain way. Just make it easy for
them. Make them smile when they open up

412
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:41,279
your your uh proposal as opposed to say,
"Ah, we have to deal with this again."

413
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:44,159
Right? Then have those supporting
documents. Sean saying, "Yeah, we're

414
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:48,559
we're doing that open house. We're doing
that report. We're doing that reference

415
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:52,640
document." third party helps because if
you have your your Reeve or your mayor

416
00:32:50,399 --> 00:32:55,600
and say, you know, um we we got a bunch
of these, not from you guys, but we got

417
00:32:54,159 --> 00:32:59,360
a bunch where small communities would
say the road in front of the mayor's

418
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:05,360
house needs to get paved because the
mayor says it's in bad shape. Um and so

419
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:10,320
if we can get third party on that, it
gives some legitimacy to it. Um because

420
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:14,399
we don't want to have that lopsided feel
um where people aren't aren't doing the

421
00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:19,039
right thing. Then we want to use
keywords. If they're talking about

422
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:22,799
connect, improve, enhance, increase uh
capacity, they're talking about climate

423
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:26,799
resilience, we want to use those words
over and over and over again because the

424
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:31,519
people that are reviewing this are not
technical people. They they don't it's

425
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:36,880
not that they're bad people. Um they
just don't understand pump curves or um

426
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:42,720
that sort of thing that you know their
realm is this increased capacity

427
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:48,320
enhance. Most of the people reviewing
these are early 30s with a fine arts

428
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:53,519
degree is the ones that I have run into
mass majority. So again, not bad people.

429
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:57,679
We just need to write to what they're
looking for because we're playing the

430
00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,640
game and we want to win.
Then we want to have time for review. We

431
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,240
don't want to have a special council
meeting that uh you know you Friday

432
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:08,079
night you guys have to get together to
approve this thing. That's not doesn't

433
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,200
make anyone happy.
Never promise what you can't deliver.

434
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,839
So, if you can't get the permits, if you
need third party, um, don't promise it.

435
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:19,919
Never say insure or guarantee or your
insurance people get really mad at you.

436
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:24,800
Know your audience. Again, know what
they care about. Most of the time, this

437
00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:30,240
is equated to a political
um, election agenda or election

438
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:33,919
schedule. So know who you're getting the
money from and when the next election is

439
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:39,040
if you're trying to complete the project
in time so that ribbons can be cut, you

440
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:42,800
know, uh plaques can be put up, all that
sort of fun stuff. And [clears throat]

441
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:46,000
no need to be fancy. This doesn't need
to be professionally bound or anything

442
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,599
like that. Just put it in the right
format. Usually they're PDF. They're

443
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:54,800
usually electronic now. Um but you don't
need to be fancy.

444
00:34:52,240 --> 00:35:00,640
Then getting into grant submission tip.
uh getting shelf ready is now uh

445
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:07,040
generally considered about five or 10%
uh design. Uh shovel ready according to

446
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:10,960
the feds is no longer this month you can
put a shovel on the ground. It's now 2

447
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:16,160
years until you can put a shovel in the
ground. So that changes

448
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:20,079
drastically what type of projects are
considered shovel ready. I don't agree

449
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:24,720
with that. I think shovel ready should
be this year. Um, but they they're

450
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:29,760
saying out until 2028 at this point
qualifies as shovel ready. So, um, take

451
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:34,240
that as it is. Have your supporting
documents, reports, consider election

452
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:37,520
cycles, know your audience, and it is a
beauty pageant. Make sure that it does

453
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:43,040
look good. It doesn't need to be fancy,
but it does need to be worth if you if

454
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:48,400
you're going after a $23 million brand,
the proposal should look like it's worth

455
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:53,119
23 million bucks. Get help submitting.
Stack your deck. call my buddy Sean and

456
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:59,599
then submit early. Avoid that overs
subscribed. Um, and the feedback that I

457
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:05,040
got from this uh FCM when they did their
application two years ago or yeah, last

458
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:08,480
fall, uh, they had a pre-application
that nobody knew about. Um, it looked

459
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,480
like you were submitting the
application, but then there was a

460
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:16,800
five-day review cycle after that. Um, so
it wasn't really well communicated

461
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:20,320
and then because of that the
applications were severely

462
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:24,880
undersubscribed which meant that
everyone that was that applied won the

463
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,960
money if they were if they met the
criteria which is great for the people

464
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:33,119
that we got in. Um, we got 100% win rate
on that one. That was great. Um, but

465
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:37,680
make sure that you give yourself enough
time to hit the preapp, do the

466
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:42,880
pre-application, have the meeting, have
the fiveday review, fill out the forms,

467
00:36:39,839 --> 00:36:48,960
then hit submit. So it's again give us a
call we'll we'll walk you through it and

468
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:52,480
go from there and that is that. So
basically we want to look at program

469
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:56,480
level approach the whole elephant. We
want to utilize grants help you out and

470
00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:04,000
we want to have some smiles on our faces
by the time that we're done.

471
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:10,160
» Thanks Michael John. So we'll just see
if there's any quick counsel.

472
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:16,320
I have one. So I I see a lot of your
stuff is related to the housing

473
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:20,880
infrastructure grants. Um kind of more
urban things like we don't have a lot of

474
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:24,560
those types of needs. U and you don't
talk you touched on the provincial grant

475
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:29,359
stream, but probably the biggest one
that we struggle with is skip grants.

476
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:34,320
You're probably familiar with that
>> economic orders. And I know that that's

477
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:40,640
very oversubscribed. So that's probably
just uh what it's going to be. It's not.

478
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:43,520
But have you had much success in helping
municipalities with those because that's

479
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,359
where we
>> Yeah, we've done Yeah, we've done a a

480
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:52,160
fair bit of work up here at Burch County
where I happen to be today uh working on

481
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:56,079
their STIP grant program uh and their
bridge inspection program. We've been

482
00:37:53,920 --> 00:38:01,040
fairly fairly successful in getting
those grant programs through. Honestly,

483
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,680
it does uh impact, you know, the
condition of the the structure and

484
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:10,560
everything else like that does have a a
fair fair variance, but when when we're

485
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:13,760
asking for um I guess one of the biggest
successes with with Birch Hills was

486
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:17,760
basically having an inventory of what
their assets were, right, and their

487
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,640
overall condition. So, we knew which
ones to ask for, which ones are the

488
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,160
critical ones, and we started going
after those.

489
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:28,720
» Yeah, that that's basically the best way
to go is get that asset management up

490
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:32,480
first. Um and it it doesn't Yes. The
Sorry, I I may have focused a little

491
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:37,920
heavily on on Yeah. what could be
perceived as the municipal um side of

492
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:42,480
things or the urban side of things, but
a lot of these grants will uh we go

493
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:46,640
heavy on drainage. We go heavy on
bridges. Um really depending what it is.

494
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:51,280
But if we can understand what that
elephant looks like from that asset

495
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:56,160
management and build help build that
10-year plan, if you guys don't have

496
00:38:53,359 --> 00:39:00,720
that already, um then we can come in and
give some advice on that. Um and help

497
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:05,280
move forward with with what your
elephant looks like, not what you know,

498
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:10,320
Calgary's or Edmontons look like.
>> Yeah. Exactly. Different beasts, right?

499
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:15,920
» Exactly. Then the other one that we uh
seem to have a

500
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:20,320
you know a direct line to is if they're
even out they're not as is

501
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:28,160
rural water lines like water
distribution lines like we

502
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:31,599
» what was it PFR or whoever there was uh
some agencies that helped on that quite

503
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:34,560
substantially there's one third one
third one third I think municipalities

504
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:38,400
the province and the feds all
contributed now we're taking this on

505
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:44,000
100% ourselves
and it's kind of got prohibitive of what

506
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:49,040
how we can continue on with this. So, do
do you see any any place that we're not

507
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,599
looking where there could be grant
money?

508
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,640
» Yeah. So, water lines are are an
interesting one because you've got the

509
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:59,599
actual consumption piece which is what
most people focus on. What we've been

510
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:05,599
focusing on is uh fire suppression as
well. So when you're looking at uh

511
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:10,800
wildfires um anything to do with with
urban fires as well uh you can layer

512
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:15,119
that into the uh consumption side. So
that that housing

513
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:20,640
enabling infrastructure is what the feds
are calling it is you know water first

514
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:25,680
consumption but if we can also look at
uh water looping we've got an increased

515
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:30,640
pump stations uh for fire suppression.
Um, also looking at indoor air quality

516
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:34,720
for for a lot of uh municipal buildings.
Lots of success on that right now and

517
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:40,160
it's a really non-standard way of trying
to get uh funding for either um new

518
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:44,960
infrastructure, looping, resiliency
added into your your water lines. So,

519
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:50,480
there are options. Um it just depends.
These grants come up, they go away. Um,

520
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:54,560
it's something if we're proactive and
we're ready for it. When we hear this is

521
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:58,400
coming up, then, you know, I hear
something, I can talk to Sean and say,

522
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:02,480
"Yeah, um, you know, Northern Lights
could utilize this. Let's get them ready

523
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:06,480
for that. Dust that project off that was
on the shelf and be ready to go in

524
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:12,760
October whenever the new grant comes
out."

525
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,760
» Also, any questions?

526
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:20,079
Make notes.
I've already seen Michael's

527
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:23,280
presentation, so
>> well,

528
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:25,599
» the second time. Yeah.
>> No, I did great.

529
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:28,800
» Thanks.
>> I like your spin the wheel. It looks

530
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:32,400
pretty attractive. But
>> we we actually have the real wheels,

531
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:37,599
too. So, if you ever want to spin them,
you can win a chocolate bar or a little

532
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:40,839
uh we get the little gold gold loonies.
>> $20 million.

533
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:48,640
Oh, it feels really good to get that
email that uh 23 million bucks comes in.

534
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:51,359
So, that that was a happy day.
>> Well, if there's no further questions,

535
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:55,119
we'll let you go and we'll continue on
with our meeting and we'll uh we'll

536
00:41:53,440 --> 00:42:00,000
discuss this at some point and see if we
want to, you know, maybe meet further

537
00:41:57,359 --> 00:42:04,000
and and uh see what we can we can move
this like like we've always understood

538
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:08,240
that there's lots of grants out there.
We just don't know. We don't seem to get

539
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:13,119
maybe our share some days.
is the kind of the perception and maybe

540
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:18,800
there's a maybe we're just not
attacking it strongly enough. So, so

541
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:21,440
thanks you guys and uh and we'll be in
touch.

542
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,440
» Thanks so much. Thanks for the time and
uh yeah, sorry for going a little bit

543
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:29,359
over.
>> Yep. Have a [snorts] great day you guys.

544
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:35,359
» Have a good day. Bye.
>> Oh, you might want to remove me as uh

545
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:41,960
what's it called too? Peter of kill your
entire meeting. Yeah,

546
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,960
I'll wait.

547
00:42:55,839 --> 00:43:05,000
» You might actually have to boot me back
to being the host.

548
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:05,000
» Okay. Um, where is the

549
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:17,400
It's not giving me the usually options
that I see. So, you might already be

550
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,400
actually

551
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:32,640
» Oh, here you go. Got you.
>> All yours. Okay, you should be good now.

552
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:40,000
» Thank you.
>> Thank you. I

553
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:46,000
» okay 5.0 zero. We'll skip over that till
after our public hearing. So, we can

554
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:52,880
move down to 6.1.
Item A is over municipalities upcoming

555
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:56,800
invention.
So, I guess if we're looking at anybody

556
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:02,960
attending, we just need to get a motion
to give approval. And I think we had a

557
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:07,599
couple that indicated that Kayla, you
were interested in attending already.

558
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:12,400
Pardon me.
>> Just

559
00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:17,359
you as well.
>> Okay. Councelor Beckan moves that we uh

560
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:23,280
register
deputy shug and CEO Sticklin for the

561
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,319
Albert meetings.
>> I think we did already register. So we

562
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,720
were able to capitalize on the early
bird pricing committee.

563
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:38,319
» I think the registration is going to
catch early but we're motion here today.

564
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:44,875
» Yeah. No, just for clarity though,
>> could you just detail the what the

565
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:48,560
benefits you think might be from this?
[clears throat]

566
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:53,760
» Well, I can comment on that. I mean, we
are our biggest one of our biggest

567
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:58,319
expenses at the moment is is towards the
urbans and it's it's nice to see what

568
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:04,240
others what the other side if you can
call it that are actually telling their

569
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:09,839
uh members. So that would be a mun
studing down Manning down a G shore as

570
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:16,800
well as be road. So from that point of
view we said we attended we and myself

571
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:21,440
uh the re and other people carried it as
one before and the value we got out of

572
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:27,119
that was actually quite substantial. So
definitely val.

573
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:31,359
And
I think a lot of these small urbans

574
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:37,680
really identify more rurals, you know,
like this this conference includes

575
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:43,200
Calgary, Penon, and Berlin, you know,
such a variety of municipalities. So

576
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:46,720
» yeah, and for me, I think we we
encourage the the small urbans that

577
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:50,000
surround us all the time to attend our
conference because we think that they

578
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:55,280
would find value there. So I would like
to just go and see if there's value for

579
00:45:51,520 --> 00:46:01,440
us. And on the flip side,
We have a motion standing. So any other

580
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:04,599
discussion? If not, all in favor?
That's carried.

581
00:46:04,786 --> 00:46:12,640
[clears throat] Item B is the art path
conference that's coming up in P server

582
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:18,400
this fall looking for swag requests for
all the attendees coming from across

583
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:23,839
Alberta and Trinity
made up a nice little

584
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:28,240
» just table of options. You guys asked to
bring back some options. So there is

585
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:34,480
some I'm listing some prices and I
believe there's pictures attached but

586
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:38,640
they are like drops that
of course the most expensive one I like

587
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:44,480
the most. The little power banks were
nice but they're very expensive. So

588
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:50,960
» the only thing personally I would say
there is something like that that cost

589
00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:55,760
$17. Not typically a very good product.
had a few of those personally that don't

590
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:59,839
last very long.
>> Um yeah, I don't know with what we were

591
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:04,319
given to go off of. We just tried to
give you a range of things.

592
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:12,480
Are there is there different places
where you can get prices or is this just

593
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:18,800
one that one place that you uh do?
>> Uh no, I believe this is a combination

594
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:25,200
of a local store as well as um there's a
couple big online ones that you can get

595
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:29,920
things from as well.
>> So my personal comment would be we have

596
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:34,640
the little first aid kits. I don't know
if to say one or not, but something

597
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:38,640
similar. They were really sought after
at the trade shows. People would see

598
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:43,680
that somebody else got one. They'd come
and over and get one of them. And and

599
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:47,520
and especially this is going to the
health conference

600
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:50,560
» might be appropriate. But I guess you
could say the same thing about the

601
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:55,599
bandage dispenser. But that's
>> what about the bone mints [laughter]

602
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:58,480
that
the

603
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:02,960
» the mints that are shaped like bones.
Yeah. Well,

604
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:07,599
» you can do mint seven.
Nice combination of those.

605
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:12,560
» Just scroll down to the prices, Jessica.
There

606
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:16,800
» these are the here.
>> I don't know if we set a budget before.

607
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:22,079
I guess we wanted prices before we could
do this council grants, I'm assuming, or

608
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:25,200
do we have healthcare budget somewhere?
>> Uh, you do have a little one, but not

609
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:29,839
for think like this. This would be out
of your council grants.

610
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:33,200
Uh, and I don't
so long now I don't remember if you said

611
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,400
a budget or not. Fine.
>> I don't think we did because we didn't

612
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:39,040
know what we were talking about, right?
So now we do.

613
00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:42,040
» Yeah, I think you just asked for pricing
options.

614
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:51,200
» Council hearing you're on that post
committee there. Any any thoughts? Any

615
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:58,400
preference?
>> Not really. Uh,

616
00:48:54,640 --> 00:49:04,800
yeah, Josh. I mean those $17.5 power
banks get all excited, but they you use

617
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:13,040
them once and that's about it, right?
>> I mean, the the

618
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:18,640
add hot coal packs and the uh I mean
that's quite uh popular, too. So are

619
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:23,720
they
>> they've had them a few times that I

620
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:23,720
remember

621
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:29,559
I'm not sure we need to travel mask but
you know

622
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:36,960
» any of the other ones would probably you
know

623
00:49:34,319 --> 00:49:44,640
it's just not much
>> first kit I think that would be

624
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:51,440
» yeah birthday kit
kit very majority you'll be okay that

625
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:56,960
that I am there yet again. So
just need a motion to uh

626
00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:02,800
have administration get that
taken care of and like you say have the

627
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:07,119
order I'm sure there's another time
between now and October.

628
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:13,839
» Yeah,
>> I can make that motion. Okay, option

629
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:18,480
please approve of supplying 200 first
aid

630
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:21,960
with the RPAP conference.
All in favor

631
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,720
2027 calendars.

632
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:43,920
So I guess maybe what looking for is do
we want any other

633
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:50,319
significant dates added to there? So
>> and then just the call out to the last

634
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:53,319
um council meeting. It's on December
28th.

635
00:50:54,480 --> 00:51:02,839
» That would be noted on the calendar if
it was canceled which I would assume we

636
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,839
would cancel out.

637
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:08,920
We always have to cancel that one over
the Christmas break.

638
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:21,760
The only one that I
thought would be cons we might want to

639
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:26,800
consider in the council is National
Indigenous Day wherever it is in June.

640
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,119
But it's probably on there as a holiday
anyway, right?

641
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,920
» I believe so
>> in September. So that would already be

642
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,559
on there.
>> The truth and reconciliation thing,

643
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,720
» right?
>> Truth and reconciliation.

644
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:39,119
» Is that Yeah, I guess that's what it's
called. Yeah. So that's that's a step

645
00:51:38,319 --> 00:51:42,079
already know.
>> Yes, it is. Yeah.

646
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:47,040
» So yeah, other than that, I didn't see
anything else. I mean, there's pretty

647
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:53,200
much a we declare a a day for something
all year long. I don't think I get kind

648
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:58,480
of the the key ones are listed there. So
>> question chair. So are we taking the

649
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:03,440
December 28 out of the calendar, not put
it in the calendar? Well, cancel,

650
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:07,119
but don't we cancel it throughout the
year? We need to like in October or

651
00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:12,160
November, don't we?
>> We can do that today then. Then that way

652
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:19,680
» it's not reflecting in the
>> Yeah. So um I don't know if you want to

653
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:22,640
have separate motions can December 28th
meeting

654
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:26,880
» or we can just make a note and when we
do the ordinance meeting and not the

655
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:28,640
ordinance meeting the
uh

656
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,680
» organizational
>> the organizational meeting we can just

657
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:36,640
do it then
>> but then we don't

658
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:40,760
yeah
nobody's got anything else that

659
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:49,760
we just accept circumion
>> maybe acknowledge that she wants to

660
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:57,559
those ones.
>> Yeah. So the proposed events below is

661
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:57,559
what she's asking if we can include it.

662
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:05,839
» Yeah, we can put in there. We can
to

663
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:11,520
» I'll make a motion on the events and
dates listed to the 27 calendar

664
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:16,559
» and
And we have permission for December 28th

665
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:19,839
meeting or
>> yeah if we do it now then we don't have

666
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:24,800
to worry about it.
>> So that

667
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:31,880
» I do have approved list of events and
direct administration to cancel council

668
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,880
meeting on December 28th 27.

669
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:43,079
» Okay.
Any questions clarification?

670
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:43,079
Not all in favor. It's carried.

671
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:50,359
Okay. Item D, chair out to calendars and
monthly calendars.

672
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:56,240
The verbal report comes up from Jessica.
>> Yeah. So, that was I was going to

673
00:53:54,640 --> 00:54:01,440
partner up with Kayn a little bit on
this one, but last month Kayn and I we

674
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:07,200
we
thought that we would pilot having her

675
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:11,359
share her calendar with me just for ease
of booking meetings, you know, where

676
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:17,839
knowing where the counselors are. I do
also have access to Ghart. So, we pilot

677
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:21,440
the two calendars this month and uh it
went really well to know, okay, we're

678
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:28,480
going to book this meeting where Kaylin
is, where Ghart is. So, I wanted to sh

679
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:31,119
I'll share my share what the calendar
looks like so that way everybody can

680
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:35,040
see.
>> This is the This is the calendar right

681
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:39,599
in our Outlook. Yes.
>> So, this is our Outlook calendar. So

682
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:46,400
right now you can see to the left is my
calendar and then to the right in purple

683
00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:49,839
is Kayn's. So I can see all of her
meetings. So these are the ones that

684
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:55,119
I've scheduled through our like our
shared council ones and also ones that

685
00:54:51,760 --> 00:55:01,839
she has individually accepted. So, we
were thinking maybe we could move to

686
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:07,359
where our counselors are using their
shared Outlook agendas or Outlook

687
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:12,400
calendars and then sharing them with me
and then I can see all of the meetings

688
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:17,839
that are going on. So, when we're trying
to book, you know, future meetings or,

689
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:22,240
you know, even just doing like word
reports, making sure that everything

690
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:29,920
aligns. And then also with this, I
utilize Kayn's calendar. And then I

691
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:35,119
updated our monthly our monthly
schedules, which is this one right here.

692
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:40,880
I also went and um just adjusted it so
it's easier on our reader's eyes. So

693
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:46,240
here I can it's it's almost like a
double like a double check. Hey, our

694
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:49,200
where did our counselors go this month?
This is I'm just going to add it onto

695
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:54,559
the calendar because I think it's
important for um our county residents to

696
00:55:52,960 --> 00:56:00,319
know what are like where our counselors
are, what they're up to, you know, where

697
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:04,559
where we're participating and and uh and
just having that information.

698
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:12,400
So, that's kind of where we were going
with this. And then I would also like to

699
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:18,079
add on our share calendar any vacations
from council. Um it you know now that

700
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:21,280
we're in the summer months it well we
are currently in the summer months so it

701
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:25,680
would be nice to be like okay you know
Brenda's on vacation from this lot this

702
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:31,839
lot I know Kaitlin has vacation coming
up um here in the next week or two so um

703
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:37,520
having that information also shared with
counselors and just kind of aligning us

704
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:44,319
and having you know that communication
>> just understanding that we're our

705
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:47,119
vacation is very ad hoc and I like all
said, "Oh, we're going to we're going to

706
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,960
go to
>> Jasper for the weekend or whatever."

707
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:55,200
They decided the night before, right?
So, it's not like we're employees that

708
00:56:52,799 --> 00:56:58,240
we schedule vacation time off. So, I
mean, we will try our best to predict

709
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,520
that, right?
>> No, absolutely. And I totally agree that

710
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:06,079
there's going to be one-offs. Even as
employees, we do have those spontaneous

711
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:10,319
vacations, but I think if there's a, you
know, those weekend vacations are pretty

712
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:13,520
easy to accommodate. It's, you know, are
Terry, are you going out of the country

713
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:18,799
for two weeks, right? Having those
vacations maybe, you know, known and

714
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:22,880
then we know, okay, deputy, uh, you
know, Chug is going to have to step in

715
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:29,040
for those two weeks and just having more
just communication just to

716
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:32,319
get your just letting you know that, you
know, it is spontaneous like you said.

717
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:36,160
» Oh, yes.
So, I think what kind of spurred it for

718
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:40,160
me is we get this monthly calendar and
then I was finding like by the time I

719
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:44,960
even see it on the agenda that it's
posted, I've already added like meetings

720
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:50,319
to my calendar and and there's no way
for anybody to know. Um, and I I firmly

721
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:54,880
believe that whatever's on our board
report and whatever is this is our check

722
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:57,839
and balance for how we're getting paid,
right? Like if it's not on your word

723
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:01,119
report and it's not on this calendar,
how come you're billing for it, right?

724
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:05,680
So, there's that double piece of it
there. Um, but yeah, lots for to know,

725
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:08,880
right? Like I mean, Terry, if you're
gone, I need to know. If I'm gone, you

726
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:14,559
need to know. We can't cover each other
if we don't know. Um, but also just

727
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:17,839
yeah, to to be clear and upfront. And
then when we have council meetings where

728
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,400
we're like, when's everybody available?
We're not sitting here wasting 10

729
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:24,319
minutes going, well, I can do this day,
but not this day, this day, not this

730
00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:27,359
day. Then admin could overlay our
calendars. I mean, Jessica just showed

731
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,559
me in two seconds what that looked like.
It was really easy. and going, "Okay,

732
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,520
these are the only available days."
Like, let's work smarter, not harder,

733
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:39,920
was my thought. But,
>> and then Kaitlin, just to piggyback off

734
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:42,400
that, I did in our um monthly schedules
did save the date that these are

735
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:46,319
updated.
>> So, they will always be updated on the

736
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:52,160
date that the agenda package gets
shared. So, and I did put that there so

737
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:59,119
that anybody looking is aware that there
is potential changes to to the calendar.

738
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:02,079
It's just it's it's going to happen.
>> Yeah, for sure.

739
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:06,880
» Two comments.
>> So, if any of council does not is not

740
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:10,559
very familiar with the the concept of
output calendars, please schedule some

741
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:13,520
time with us and we can give you a
little bit of background training on

742
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:17,359
that. It's actually very easy to use
once you see how it works.

743
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:20,720
» You click and type it's
>> and there might be some concerns that

744
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:23,920
some of the meetings are private and you
don't want anybody to see I'm going to

745
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:27,520
the doctor and this is my notes or
whatever that I made whatever. There is

746
00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:31,920
an option of clicking private and we
can't see those comments that you or the

747
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,920
what the meeting is for. It just shows
private.

748
00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:37,280
» Yeah. None of my private appointments
are in there and if they are it's just

749
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:40,400
listed. I think I put out of town.
>> I I think so it's

750
00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:46,200
» but you can literally there's like an
option where you click private meeting

751
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:46,200
and we can't talk about

752
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:54,640
» Okay. Well, guess this is
I mean we had these types of things

753
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:59,119
before. This is just a little more
different format and going to be more

754
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:03,280
detailed. And then we have the outlook
stuff.

755
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:07,119
I guess we'll probably see you on the
arguments meeting most if there's time.

756
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:13,480
We'll be just they say it's simple to do
and we can just give us a quick

757
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,480
» basic training on that because

758
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:18,400
» absolutely
>> because that is how we're that is how

759
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:22,000
we're double checking our expense
reports, right? Because like no, we're

760
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:26,400
not doing it as counselors peerto-peer.
It's being done internally. Are they

761
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:31,440
being compared to what's on our WA
reports?

762
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:34,160
» Uh, as of right now, the the the the war
reports aren't being compared to

763
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,000
anything. It's simply just the time
cards.

764
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,200
» So,
>> so you can put whatever on the time

765
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:43,760
card. It doesn't have to correlate to
anything else.

766
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:49,520
» We are the the war reports do tend not
to have all the detailed information and

767
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:55,359
the previous events and upcoming events.
Okay.

768
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:59,680
Okay. So, let's get a motion to accept
this report for information

769
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:02,960
» or are we going to try to implement
something and get everybody to try it?

770
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:05,119
» Well, we're all going to try it.
>> Yeah.

771
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:11,280
» So, that should be
>> information and and implement

772
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:16,559
monthly schedule
updates or however you want to word

773
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:21,160
that.
Yeah.

774
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:21,160
» You should make the motion.

775
01:01:22,319 --> 01:01:25,319
just

776
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:38,640
» okay. So I have um acknowledge receipt
of the shared outlook calendar and

777
01:01:36,799 --> 01:01:43,040
monthly calendar verbal requests and
accept different information and

778
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:46,599
implement shared outlook calendars with
all council

779
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:56,359
» councilors. post
or

780
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:56,359
» I was already

781
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,400
Read

782
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:29,280
that again.
>> Okay. Um, acknowledge receipt of the

783
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:34,559
shared outlook calendars and monthly
calendars verbal request and accept for

784
01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:38,480
information and implement shared council
calendars on Outlook with

785
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:45,400
administration.
Somebody want to make that motion.

786
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,400
for

787
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:57,960
okay any questions clarification
all in favor

788
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:10,559
a couple more before we take a break
item B is RA zone resolutions

789
01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:14,760
just we can discuss how we want
support or not support them

790
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,319
four of those

791
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:29,359
open there. So one
nonp payment of municip municipal fire

792
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:32,760
suppression emergencies cost c cost by
utility companies.

793
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:40,720
You know, we had a situation like that a
few years ago at coal line against

794
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:46,039
wildfire and and I think that they did
make good on it, but apparently that's

795
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:46,039
not always the case.

796
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:54,480
I don't see where I would have problem
not supporting this.

797
01:03:50,799 --> 01:04:00,720
» I think that's a no-brainer.
>> The next one for Northern Sunrise, this

798
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:03,599
is a reoccurring one that uh hasn't got
anywhere. Obviously the casino

799
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:08,559
opportunities for charitable
organizations. It's just that inequity

800
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:14,400
between the small casinos and the big
city ones or

801
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:19,680
» Yeah, I think they recently had an over
like some change at their higher level

802
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:22,000
and their board of directors. So I think
this is why they're bringing it forward

803
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,799
because there's like there might
actually be a hope that we get some some

804
01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:28,160
change.
>> Yeah. So I mean we've supported this

805
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:34,640
multiple times in the past. I guess we
continue to support it. And then Irama

806
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:39,400
is putting one forward. Modernization of
the municipal investment authority.

807
01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:50,000
So I guess we trust we know what they're
doing. They're working for us. So

808
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:53,000
» from the MDFs.
>> Okay.

809
01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:58,880
Yeah. I'm very cautious on that one
because I mean we're working with public

810
01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:02,000
money here. So we're going to start
investing in

811
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:07,640
» in cryptocurrencies and those type of
thing. It is a high gain high risk

812
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,640
environment.

813
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:16,720
» Josh, do you have any thoughts on this
resolution being kind of in your

814
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:21,200
» Sorry, I was answering a bunch of
things. the casino or the

815
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:25,599
» modernization people invest.
>> Um

816
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:33,280
I've often thought that what we're
legally allowed to invest in is super

817
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:38,160
boring, but that is for a reason. So uh
it

818
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:42,640
it it comes with a lot of risk if you
try to open that up. I understand why

819
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:46,880
people are doing it because really when
you are sitting on the amount of

820
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:51,760
investment opportunity funds that we sit
on as municipalities

821
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:55,280
to to use that to get a 3% return is
kind of wasteful. Nobody in the real

822
01:05:53,680 --> 01:06:00,799
world would ever do that with their
money if they were sitting on that much.

823
01:05:57,359 --> 01:06:05,760
Um, however, depending on what you do
with that ability, like if you give me

824
01:06:02,799 --> 01:06:10,240
the power to do that and I then in turn
throw it all in Dogecoin and lose it

825
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:16,480
all, that is a problem. So, it puts a
lot of potential power in positions such

826
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:21,599
as mine. Um, obviously can be handled
through policy and stuff. So, um,

827
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:24,559
personally not not against opening it up
a little bit. I know there's a lot of

828
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:29,280
investment firms right now that are
trying to be creative to get around it.

829
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:32,880
Um, so they're creating things like
principal protected notes that they just

830
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:36,559
take money from you and invest it in a
bunch of other things anyway. Um, which

831
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:41,760
works well for them because they make
more money, guarantee you a return, and

832
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:46,799
charge you a fee. Um, I don't I don't
know what else you want to know, but

833
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:52,079
it's could be good, could be bad.
>> Well, it's definitely going to open up

834
01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:58,319
the door for risk um that would have to
be mitigated by each municipality.

835
01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:04,799
So higher returns generally translate to
higher risk 100%. Yeah.

836
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:11,839
» But you're like what you guys invest in
right now is zero risk to the point

837
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:14,720
where a lot of the providers um like I
get rates from all sorts of different

838
01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:20,559
firms, but they're all traveling the
same. So you you basically wait till one

839
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:23,520
gets greedy and tries to cut back make
more money off what they're giving you

840
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:26,400
and then somebody else will buy your
business and then you go through that

841
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:32,880
cycle for five years and then you
shuffle it again and that's really all

842
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:38,000
we can do. Um so it's there's room for
improvement I think but it needs to be

843
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:43,440
done very carefully.
>> Yeah. I mean and that's what they're

844
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:48,160
therefore to be resolved is is uh they
want to

845
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:54,400
They want to amend it so they can expand
it. But who sets the parameters of what

846
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:56,559
you can, you know,
who interprets that?

847
01:07:56,079 --> 01:08:03,440
» Yeah,
>> I guess whoever would have to be tasked

848
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:07,440
with that.
>> Yeah,

849
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:13,359
» Josh, wouldn't you be the one to come to
us if you thought this was a better

850
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:16,520
place to invest?
I'm saying

851
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:23,279
» that. Yeah, that's not really quite as
specifically getting, right? Like I

852
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:28,080
think whoever wrote this, their goal is
to to basically see better returns than

853
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:31,839
we're seeing with the options we have
available right now. So, the only way to

854
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:35,920
do that right now is to invest in things
we're not currently allowed to invest

855
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:41,440
right now, more or less. There's other
ways to get creative, too. But um I

856
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:45,679
haven't brought anything like this to
you because we cannot do it and I don't

857
01:08:43,839 --> 01:08:49,440
really have the free time to pursue it
this way.

858
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:52,480
» So So if it was opened up more would you
the things that jumped into your head

859
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:58,080
that we
>> could be investing in to increase your

860
01:08:55,199 --> 01:09:03,120
» Okay. So even the basic like your basic
index or mutual funds have outperformed

861
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:08,080
everything you guys can invest in. So
put some in there. Absolutely. Right.

862
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:15,520
From a synthist point of view, not all
of it, obviously, some of it for sure,

863
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:18,799
it's it's really no different
>> than what we're

864
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:21,600
» But that's what we're getting at. You
would have to

865
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:26,960
» somebody would have to do it, right? Or
or you would pay like just like anything

866
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:31,199
else, you can pay portfolio managers. Um
we have

867
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:36,239
uh
delegated authority to two of our

868
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:40,960
providers who actually have some form of
active management in our holdings with

869
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:45,279
their firms. So they have the ability to
do that. However, that ability only

870
01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:52,960
extends to a robot to invest in. So they
can reinvest and trade bonds essentially

871
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:57,440
which is there's not a whole lot of
upside. Whereas when you look at opening

872
01:09:55,199 --> 01:10:04,080
up things like mutual funds, it's it can
be a lot better, I guess, in the short

873
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:09,440
term. Absolutely doing that. But it all
comes at a cost. And I do not have the

874
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:13,760
luxury of time to be an active day
trader for you guys.

875
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:21,040
» Nor is that my training. So I I would
not do that. But yours

876
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:26,560
what we're sort of talking about is um
from one end to the other like you right

877
01:10:23,679 --> 01:10:33,760
now we're we're really
having strung to

878
01:10:28,719 --> 01:10:38,080
the you know I'm really getting nothing
for it whereas and you don't have to go

879
01:10:36,719 --> 01:10:46,320
to crypto to
>> but you could go a little further into

880
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:55,120
the situation and get a realistic uh
return on it without being too uh you

881
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:57,520
know like uh being uh real uh uh you
know chances with our money.

882
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:03,120
» Yeah.
>> But in theory anytime you you leave

883
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:08,640
bonds and and GIC's you lose principal
protection and you do have now the risk

884
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:13,840
of not recouping what you've put in.
>> Um so I understand the original premise

885
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:19,199
of this. is public money. That has
always been an emphasis, right?

886
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:23,520
» Principal protection first. Uh and then
I think actually our policy is principal

887
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:29,920
protection then liquidity and then
return. So which is why on average we're

888
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:36,239
seeing two to three and a half% right
the economy does whereas when you look

889
01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:40,080
at other stock indexes and things over
the last three years have seen 14 to

890
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:44,239
20%. Right.
>> Yeah. So I think those three principles

891
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:48,719
sort of are very important, right? I
mean we're not there investors out

892
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:53,040
trying to make hit a home run, right?
We're there simply to protect our

893
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:57,760
reserves
and be able to liquidate them if

894
01:11:55,679 --> 01:12:01,440
situation comes and if we happen to make
a little bit that's and which we have,

895
01:11:59,679 --> 01:12:05,920
right? I mean we've always traditionally
earned a little bit on them.

896
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:09,280
you will always I think the the member
thing out here is it's what you're

897
01:12:07,679 --> 01:12:12,560
actually getting and with how high
inflation's been it's deteriorating

898
01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:15,600
right so
>> you're you're not gaining a whole lot

899
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:21,360
more
>> and there's just no real room for

900
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:26,560
absorbent amount of creativity in the
public sector financial markets so um

901
01:12:24,719 --> 01:12:32,719
yeah it's
I'm not against it but I think even if

902
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:37,280
it was a broadly published rule
You wouldn't see all municipalities

903
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:43,199
pursue anything different than what any
wage would have to be handled. It's just

904
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:46,239
it increases your business risk for
maybe I guess right

905
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:49,440
» and who would assume there is would it
be council? Would it be administration?

906
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:54,560
» Yeah.
>> Well, just

907
01:12:52,239 --> 01:13:01,280
I don't know you would open the door to
actually fire people based on their

908
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:06,800
investment performance for I don't know.
Yeah, that

909
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:10,480
» let's uh let's hear them hear them
>> try to

910
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:12,719
» you know justify what they're proposing
here.

911
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:15,679
» I'm sure this will be a debate there.
>> It's it's interesting that the MD of

912
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:19,440
peace is right.
>> Well, because I think one of them

913
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,760
» Well, yeah, she's big on the crypto
world, right? But I don't know if that's

914
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:26,560
what she's working on.
>> That's terrifying.

915
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:31,600
But yeah, we never
>> I mean, if it's if it can still if we

916
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:34,560
can expand what we're allowed to invest
in and still hold those three

917
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:39,600
principles, then yeah, why not? But I
mean, who's going to

918
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:43,360
» and I I think there was I read a story
quite a few years ago now, but one of

919
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:47,280
the municipalities down south was doing
an experience where they were accepting

920
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:51,440
Bitcoin as a payment, but we're not
allowed to hold it as an investment. So

921
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:55,040
it was great in flexibility of people
paying, but you couldn't actually see

922
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:57,679
any gains or losses from it because you
just had to get paid and then cash it in

923
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:02,000
right away.
>> So just money money transaction.

924
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:06,000
» So people might be looking at that if
you're going to accept it, maybe hold

925
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:10,080
some. Uh but again, the risk tied to
that is

926
01:14:07,679 --> 01:14:14,320
» substantial. So this one we're kind of
sitting on the fence and we'll kind of

927
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:19,920
see what the mood this I mean if this
does pass the zone might have a tough

928
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:23,679
time passing my provincial resolution
but

929
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:24,960
see what they what kind of a sales job
they do.

930
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:28,960
» Yeah.
>> Okay. So we'll just kind of leave that

931
01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:33,920
one in kind of an alert there. And then
the last one is weather stations which

932
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:37,840
again
don't see where there'd be any problem

933
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:44,239
not supporting that.
going to come at a cost which most most

934
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:48,679
resolutions do.
I don't know if anybody got comments in

935
01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:48,679
it.

936
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:55,280
Mostly
affects

937
01:14:53,920 --> 01:15:00,880
probably the risk management for
agriculture but it's also for other

938
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:05,360
sectors too and emergency management I
guess. So

939
01:15:03,831 --> 01:15:11,280
[clears throat]
>> yeah support that one. Yeah.

940
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:15,960
Okay, let's just accept RMA resolutions
for this zone meeting this information.

941
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:23,239
» You make that motion. Council reckon.
>> All in favor?

942
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:28,640
Item F
2026

943
01:15:26,719 --> 01:15:32,840
recipients.
We met one of them this morning.

944
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:42,800
So there was quite a quite a few.
>> Was there 10?

945
01:15:41,167 --> 01:15:49,360
[clears throat]
>> Okay. I think 14. Yeah.

946
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:52,360
» Yeah. It was very
good.

947
01:15:53,440 --> 01:16:00,880
» The one thing we don't know who it is
>> until until they're important.

948
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:04,760
» You can figure it out.
>> And we knew that on purpose.

949
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:11,560
Okay. So, I guess we just uh need a
motion to

950
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:16,880
» acknowledge receipt of the report and
accept information.

951
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:19,679
» Yeah.
>> Pardon me.

952
01:16:17,679 --> 01:16:26,400
» Yeah. I just wanted to mention that I
think we need to look into how we with

953
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:30,320
the money and stuff. We can
talk about that.

954
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:34,000
» I think that's the next
>> thing.

955
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:42,320
I know it was there, but I just want to
make sure it's drawing it up.

956
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:49,600
» Okay. So, we made a motion.
>> Okay. Whiskey. All in favor? Carried.

957
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:54,120
So, let's get into item Gary
program

958
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,120
itself.

959
01:16:54,239 --> 01:16:58,600
» Yeah. And who's going to give her

960
01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:01,719
Linda?

961
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:10,880
I just found that we don't have a we I
thought we had a policy on our bary

962
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:16,000
committee and
said they couldn't find it anywhere.

963
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:20,560
» I thought there was too. I thought you
had to be

964
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:24,360
» but you had to be
>> field was here.

965
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:34,480
I did look into this and both places
have guidelines

966
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:39,800
» and it was also
>> in response the other wanted

967
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:45,360
it was all there
>> and it was

968
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:47,760
» we had a meeting with them right sorry
>> no

969
01:17:45,679 --> 01:17:53,040
» I'm just really slow on trying to put
things through

970
01:17:49,199 --> 01:17:58,440
» but I know we had a meeting with that
other group

971
01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:58,440
» MADC

972
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:03,080
But you probably remember

973
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:16,159
» their policy that we work long
>> because there's a return of service.

974
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:21,760
There's a residence requirement. There's
a few things that are

975
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:29,920
» that's on the applicants, but we should
have some kind of a policy. I feel for

976
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:34,000
us and decide who is more.
>> There was also the discussion point

977
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:40,000
about the
>> if the committee has the the ability to

978
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:44,960
actually split it up in in more chunks.
So use the $5,000 maybe not allocate it

979
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:50,000
just to two two recipients but maybe
because there was really good applicants

980
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:54,719
that lost out just so we could split it
to four or whatever it is that we would

981
01:18:52,640 --> 01:19:00,960
actually reach a little bit more of the
applicants looked up. So we don't have

982
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:04,960
any guidelines to actually go by on that
specific.

983
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:09,840
» So you don't um but this is intended to
be a this is the reason this exists is

984
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:15,120
because NADC has a matching program.
>> So we created this to

985
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:18,640
um to create a program that would be
eligible for that. So anything that we

986
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:23,280
give those people can be doubled up if
they meet all the requirements through

987
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:27,760
NADC. Um, splitting up a grant that's
$2,500 in my opinion is a terrible,

988
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:32,080
terrible idea. Schooling is horrendously
expensive for the work that you go

989
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:36,400
through to get $500. These people are
applying with the understanding they're

990
01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:40,560
going to get $2500.
Not that it's a difficult application

991
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:45,040
process, but that makes a big
difference.

992
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:49,600
» But if you split $5,000 and four,
still $1,250.

993
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:54,000
Just give me a chance. $1,250 that will
be grand matched with in a little bit.

994
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:59,440
Well, potentially, but still there's the
option of that. So now all of a sudden

995
01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:03,840
it's a almost $25,000 per applicant
where now we only have $5,000. We're

996
01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:08,239
giving it two people and there was 14
that reduced to 10. So 10 applicants and

997
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:12,080
they were really all good.
>> Yeah. But we just made that change

998
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:15,440
because we said $1,000 was not enough
and we wanted to take advantage of more

999
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:20,560
matching. So, we just increased each
grant to $2,500 last year, right? So, to

1000
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:25,920
change it again and go backwards, I'm
not sure really.

1001
01:20:22,480 --> 01:20:31,280
» I'm I'm with state leaving it at 225.
>> Um, I get it's hard. There's there's

1002
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:34,960
ways around that like you're
>> you're right, we do not have a policy.

1003
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:38,480
So, one of the things I've thought about
with this is like

1004
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:41,760
» pick what you think is important for the
area. You're making these people come

1005
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:45,199
back. So pick a program that you think
is important that you want to focus on.

1006
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:50,400
Then at least it gives you some more
evaluation criteria because right now

1007
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:55,920
you just have essentially the same form
filled out by everybody. And I think

1008
01:20:53,840 --> 01:21:00,239
you're
well it say I can't remember you're

1009
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:08,400
you're basically looking at financial
need and um I remember what

1010
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:15,840
they also had nursing two of them and
two for animal science right but it was

1011
01:21:12,719 --> 01:21:23,920
pretty hard to pick which one of those
should give it to

1012
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:27,960
» does Mark do that check This week
your attraction mini

1013
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:34,040
shells. Yeah, I know. There's four at
3,000.

1014
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:40,400
» I I was just thinking like, you know,
like if or part of the criteria, right?

1015
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:43,600
Like if you're looking at healthcare,
then at least they would have another

1016
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:47,360
avenue
to try. But

1017
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:50,159
» who fun,
right? So,

1018
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:51,600
» well, no different than the university,
right?

1019
01:21:50,719 --> 01:21:55,520
» No different than which?
>> No different than the Grimshaw one and

1020
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:57,360
anybody in the county like eligible for
that too.

1021
01:21:56,159 --> 01:22:02,320
» I I heard what you're saying. I mean, if
they're looking at a healthcare career,

1022
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:05,040
then it could be funded by the committee
committee have to come back to this

1023
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:07,840
council and ask the money then, right?
So,

1024
01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:11,760
» unless you know our has a little bit of
money out there that they directly grant

1025
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:17,840
these kids, but
>> yeah. No, I I was just thinking

1026
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:21,840
giving giving like the priority is
healthcare, right? Then giving them the

1027
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:26,480
most opportunities.
I get it, but I agree. $1,000 or $500 is

1028
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:31,120
not as far
>> and and NADC has different rules for I

1029
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:34,159
think healthc care, veterary stuff,
nursing, and I can't remember.

1030
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:37,440
» That's what I'm looking at. we need
something

1031
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:41,920
I don't see all this
>> a clear criteria that make it easier to

1032
01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:46,719
put in these decisions and that part of
it is totally within your control so you

1033
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:50,080
guys can establish whatever you want the
only part you want to be careful of is

1034
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:54,639
you don't want to restrict it to the po
to the point that it no longer meets

1035
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:58,800
NADC's criteria because then you won't
be able to take advantage of matching

1036
01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:01,360
stuff which is a big deal for the people
applying

1037
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:05,520
» and that happened and that happened with
the Grimshaw one That was a hard lesson

1038
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:10,719
learned. They couldn't match so we had
to change it.

1039
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:15,440
I hear what you're saying. Sure.
>> Well, maybe this has to be discussed at

1040
01:23:12,719 --> 01:23:20,719
an organization sometime. We can create
a policy if we want and

1041
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:24,239
and
make it a bit easier for the selection

1042
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:29,120
committee if you have some, you know,
some guard rails to follow. Right.

1043
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:34,400
» And then I I forget, but I think NADC
has a cap on what they'll match. Yes,

1044
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:39,360
» because that's why we didn't
>> jump ours up in Grimshaw cuz it would

1045
01:23:37,199 --> 01:23:44,080
they wouldn't match it.
>> I can't remember if their match is

1046
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:47,520
capped at 2500 for their general I think
which is why they bumped it up

1047
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:51,920
» a b program with the separate rate.
>> Yeah, but they have different stuff for

1048
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:53,760
healthcare and for veterinary stuff that
was higher.

1049
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:58,159
» Yeah,
>> you can get like a $10,000 annual bary

1050
01:23:56,400 --> 01:24:01,280
» and I I don't recall what the numbers
were off the top of my head. Look into

1051
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:04,960
it again.
But that would be good because then we

1052
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:07,920
could have criteria for each specialty,
right?

1053
01:24:05,679 --> 01:24:14,159
» Yeah. Just to make sure.
So, okay, let's uh accept this further

1054
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:18,880
information and
bring it to ordinance meeting

1055
01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:22,080
» a future ordinance meeting. I won't say
today necessarily, but a future

1056
01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:27,440
ordinance meeting.
>> Almost a year before the program's over.

1057
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:32,560
» So, councelor the has made that motion.
All in favor?

1058
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:39,480
Hey, let's take a quick break and then
we'll

1059
01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:39,480
council legislative items.

1060
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:50,120
Yeah.

1061
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:11,560
So this takes like three quarters of our
agenda. package

1062
01:25:13,679 --> 01:25:23,679
exaggerating a lot,
but I mean I think the summary is that

1063
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:28,360
National Police Federation is looking
for support for their CMP.

1064
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:35,520
» They're kind of looking for the Alberta
government to kind of push the pause on

1065
01:25:32,480 --> 01:25:39,760
their push for the
sheriff's service. They're kind of their

1066
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:45,679
end run around Crania Provincial Police
Force

1067
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:49,840
and I mean we supported we presented we
took a resolution to the provincial

1068
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:54,800
conference
kind of in a roundabout way saying the

1069
01:25:51,679 --> 01:25:58,400
same thing that they were
province was going to create some new

1070
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:03,120
police service that nobody really knew
anything about or what it was and who

1071
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:09,920
was going to fund it. And I think that
they did back off of that, but in the

1072
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:16,080
meantime, they've up their
sheriff program, which is good. I mean,

1073
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:18,880
we've seen more presidents now, but
I don't know what everybody had a chance

1074
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:25,520
to look at this what their thoughts are
on it. I mean that says overall

1075
01:26:22,719 --> 01:26:28,960
75% of Albertans
I think was the number somewhere in the

1076
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:33,760
70%
approve of their model for placing in

1077
01:26:31,199 --> 01:26:38,719
Alberta.
So you you take out Calgary and Edmonton

1078
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:43,199
and you know Lethbridge mentioned that
some of the in Grand Prix partially

1079
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:47,320
Mount Jams that's a big percentage that
is out of the survey

1080
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:51,320
I know.

1081
01:26:54,239 --> 01:27:03,280
So I guess the question is do we favor
supporting this call to action by the

1082
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:08,880
federation and do we want to submit a
formal response like this giving them

1083
01:27:06,239 --> 01:27:15,840
our support that we endorse it or we
want get more information I mean there's

1084
01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:21,199
20 some pages of information that helps
unless a liberal presentation would be

1085
01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:25,440
easier to disseminate
>> well and I think a lot of what was in

1086
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:28,719
the presentation there in the wave
attachment was what they presented to us

1087
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,239
when they come for our joint council
meeting.

1088
01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:33,520
» Yeah.
>> A lot of the data overlap.

1089
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:37,120
» Well, that was directed from the RCP,
right? Yeah. So, overlaps with these

1090
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:42,960
guys which basically are the governing
body or not governing but

1091
01:27:40,239 --> 01:27:47,520
yeah
>> I mean like I we took a resolution there

1092
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:51,199
so
we're supportive. So I

1093
01:27:49,199 --> 01:27:55,840
» yeah
support it, right?

1094
01:27:54,400 --> 01:28:00,000
I'm prepared to put a motion on the
floor that we're support call to action

1095
01:27:58,159 --> 01:28:03,960
and direct administration to prepare and
submit a formal response.

1096
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:11,520
» Motion on the floor. Any clarification
or discussion

1097
01:28:08,639 --> 01:28:14,520
» uh to prepare sorry a
>> response

1098
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:22,800
» on council's behalf. So and we can give
some direction on that. I mean, when you

1099
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:31,320
make it, you can set up your comments or
edits.

1100
01:28:25,679 --> 01:28:31,320
Okay, I see no discussion. All in favor,

1101
01:28:32,719 --> 01:28:41,199
the Dixon Charter School will grant an
opening. Pretty exciting, I think. You

1102
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:44,960
see that they're actually uh achieving
their objectives.

1103
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:51,120
I see their unloading furniture the
other day.

1104
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:51,120
See, it's getting real.

1105
01:28:51,280 --> 01:29:01,199
So yeah, I think we've talked about this
before, but I would be uh honored to go

1106
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:06,000
there and be part of their ceremony.
I'm assuming that Brenda will be around,

1107
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:10,400
but she'll be there. She's
not only a member of the board, but

1108
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:16,040
that's in her words. So, anybody else
want to

1109
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,040
support?

1110
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:26,360
Yeah.
>> Uh, I'm not in town. I'm

1111
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:26,360
» in.

1112
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:37,719
» Yeah, I think so.

1113
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:50,560
» Yeah, we're well represented. I'll make
this motion. It's good to hear yours.

1114
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:56,480
Okay. Council moves to
know myself.

1115
01:29:53,679 --> 01:30:01,280
Did you see? No. Yeah. Gary, Ora, and
attend.

1116
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:04,560
» And then Terry, I can we just confirm
that you will be participating in the

1117
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:08,600
speaking portion of the event because
they asked for you to give a

1118
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:17,560
» short and sweet. Congratulations. Be
council.

1119
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:17,560
Okay. All in favor?

1120
01:30:19,199 --> 01:30:28,239
Item J, the loyal M2 regiment 49th
Battalion.

1121
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:31,239
We see this
before.

1122
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:44,040
So I I don't think the immediate
requesting

1123
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:55,199
» there if they did request that we it was
passed the to attend their event but um

1124
01:30:54,000 --> 01:31:02,159
this was more or less just to
acknowledge that there was um soldiers

1125
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:07,400
here that did uh pass
and then I just uh the two privates

1126
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,400
there

1127
01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:16,719
Well, anybody interested in attending?
I think we've had this invitation

1128
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:22,320
before. We decline it.
>> Make a motion to accept

1129
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:27,120
invitation.
>> Council moves that we receive the

1130
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:30,080
invitation and decline attendance.
>> So, is is there an invitation

1131
01:31:28,719 --> 01:31:35,120
attachment? Because it just says a
validation.

1132
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:39,040
» The event has already passed two.
So, so we just need to make a motion to

1133
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:40,560
accept the honor role.
>> That's right.

1134
01:31:39,679 --> 01:31:43,199
» Not applying [clears throat] any
invitation. Yeah.

1135
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:44,800
» Yeah. I didn't see the name.
>> Yeah.

1136
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:47,679
» Attached to it. I know the piece of
religion has an invitation coming up,

1137
01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:51,520
but
>> we receive that.

1138
01:31:49,679 --> 01:31:55,159
» Yeah. So, that's all we have to do then.
Okay. All in favor?

1139
01:31:55,920 --> 01:32:07,760
Uh item Korea committee?
>> Yeah. I asked this to be on here. Um, so

1140
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:15,520
with the the unveiling of the position
paper, I um thought I'd go back and look

1141
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:21,040
at the minutes of previous meetings and
raise some issues that I'm not

1142
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:27,280
comfortable.
So [clears throat]

1143
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:33,360
this committee it's supposedly to
the objectives are to further the

1144
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:38,520
interests of a certain industry
in northern Albert right so

1145
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:46,320
not been for the overall industry though
it's one particular company has been

1146
01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:51,520
attending all of these meetings
and if you look at the minutes here you

1147
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:57,440
indicate It's the
this particular company's directing,

1148
01:32:54,000 --> 01:33:06,320
advising and um pushing forward their
agenda. Now you have two attendees of

1149
01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:12,000
this May 25th meeting of 2000
May 9th 2025.

1150
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:16,480
So at the meeting are two employees of
Energy or at least one employee in the

1151
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:22,239
company of a consultant. I assume it's a
good sold

1152
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:29,199
and they're um
forwarding uh reasons to have uh for the

1153
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:35,440
committee to hire a consultant
and

1154
01:33:30,719 --> 01:33:39,120
a consultant this is Amy Longorn's uh
words here consultant could collect

1155
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:43,199
feedback from government residents and
range in a format that can be provided

1156
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:51,679
proponent agencies and other levels of
government and then her companion this

1157
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:56,639
whose name is
Ali Hanso

1158
01:33:54,320 --> 01:34:03,120
and he reiterates the benefits of I
consultant

1159
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:08,639
and uh so on so forth. So then next
thing you know this is approved and five

1160
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:14,719
municipal CEOs and Amy Longorn will meet
to discuss timeline schedule. So they're

1161
01:34:10,719 --> 01:34:17,360
meeting together to come up with a
strategy I guess

1162
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:22,000
» come up with
>> um well here it says five municipal CEOs

1163
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:26,960
and Amy Longer will meet to discuss
timeline schedule structures they're

1164
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:33,040
collaborating on I guess what the
consultant is going to produce here. So

1165
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:38,480
here we have a private company directing
advising the committee how to spend

1166
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:45,679
public funds to benefit said Kelvin.
Okay. So this this is this is not

1167
01:34:41,440 --> 01:34:52,159
something you should be involved in.
Now I ask

1168
01:34:48,159 --> 01:34:55,679
get a consultation of AI.
Is it appropriate for private company to

1169
01:34:53,920 --> 01:35:00,239
advise committee and council to hire
consultant public to advance the

1170
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:03,440
interest of that company? No. It is
generally not appropriate. This creates

1171
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:07,520
a major construct of inversion and
violates ethical rules public spending.

1172
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:11,040
Private companies should not use public
funds or council committee to pay for

1173
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:17,120
help that mainly benefits their own
business.

1174
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:22,400
So this is again what why are we
dabbling in this? Why is this committee

1175
01:35:19,679 --> 01:35:28,320
um so close with this company? We should
be at arms length of this because this

1176
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:32,639
actually jeopardizes what the whole uh
vision of this committee.

1177
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:36,800
I just don't see that this is
appropriate.

1178
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:41,679
I think we need to evaluate what's what
the committee is is trying to accomplish

1179
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:47,120
here because I I don't see this as
constructive. Again, we should be at

1180
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:51,360
arms length from this company and not
have directly involve them. Like for

1181
01:35:49,199 --> 01:35:56,880
example, let's say public works wants to
buy a new truck and we form a committee

1182
01:35:53,520 --> 01:36:02,480
to look into uh buying a truck and we
sit down with Ford Motor Company and no

1183
01:36:00,639 --> 01:36:06,239
other companies. Well, we wouldn't do
that. That would be ridiculous. That's

1184
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:10,159
basically what's going on here. So, I
think we need to distance ourselves from

1185
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:14,960
this what's going on here. We should not
be this committee should not be involved

1186
01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:19,920
with what this one company so closely.
Uh again, this this appear to be a

1187
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:25,679
conflict to me. I think we need to be
steering away from this uh this this

1188
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:30,800
sort of activity.
>> I have a question. um as a

1189
01:36:29,199 --> 01:36:35,719
when you're at these meetings, are you
guys looking at anything else other than

1190
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:47,360
because that's how I understood it was
formed for for all of us in the region

1191
01:36:43,679 --> 01:36:53,119
to look into other things that could
happen in our community to make

1192
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:57,440
economic.
>> So this committee was was formed.

1193
01:36:56,159 --> 01:37:03,360
There's no doubt about it because there
was a proposal for a project and

1194
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:08,320
» but not just that project too.
>> I just can't let it finish. So it was

1195
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:13,199
created because of this project but we
would absolutely welcome anybody that

1196
01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:19,199
would bring forward a legitimate
proposal with whatever it would be um

1197
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:25,920
whether it be a gas fire plant, whether
it be a you know anything to do energy.

1198
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:34,080
But there's to date there's been nobody
else has uh has done that. I mean people

1199
01:37:30,480 --> 01:37:37,520
talk about you know different things
that could be possibly done in our

1200
01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:43,280
region but there's been never been a
proposal. So getting back with Brent has

1201
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:46,960
just talked about energy Alberta number
one doesn't attend all the meetings.

1202
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:53,840
They've attended some meetings.
>> Well they've attended every single

1203
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:57,840
meeting in 2025 according to the
I don't like we've only met a couple

1204
01:37:56,000 --> 01:38:02,159
times in 2026 and I think that they
attended one only as a delegation for a

1205
01:38:00,159 --> 01:38:08,560
50-minute update on where they're at
with the project. So getting back to

1206
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:13,600
them directing us who to hire, what we
should do. These were only suggestions

1207
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:16,159
by uh by Alli about the communication.
That was one of the main reasons our

1208
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:20,320
committee was formed was for
communication because we seen it as a

1209
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:24,560
weakness for the municipalities to be
able to communicate and we thought if we

1210
01:38:22,480 --> 01:38:30,159
banded together as five and now eight
municipalities we could share that

1211
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:35,920
message uh you know have the same
message amongst everybody. Uh Albert

1212
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:39,760
Energy Alberta had absolutely zero to do
with selecting the communication

1213
01:38:37,679 --> 01:38:44,800
consultant. I don't think they even knew
the guy who selected that was totally

1214
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:48,880
done by the committee. Um yeah, they
made some suggestions from you know

1215
01:38:47,440 --> 01:38:54,159
about how the communication should be
done. It says right in there that they

1216
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:58,320
are the they will be the communicator of
the project which they should be. Uh

1217
01:38:56,639 --> 01:39:02,480
we're the receivers of information of
the project which they do meeting with

1218
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:04,960
the CEOs and maybe Garrett can touch on
that. That was something outside of the

1219
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:09,600
committee.
>> Yeah. That totally updates program.

1220
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:14,400
Yeah, that nothing to do with hiring
communication consultant. That was

1221
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:18,719
something Energy Alberta committed to
doing with the regional cos is to give

1222
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:24,320
you said quarterly updates and that's
still ongoing, right? And has nothing to

1223
01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:28,960
do with communication consultants. So to
say that is totally wrong that they

1224
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:32,080
would uh have influence of who was
hired.

1225
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:37,280
» Well, it states it right there in the
minutes that the their opinion on

1226
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:42,719
consultants. So it looks to me like
they're influencing

1227
01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:48,320
um committee and then meeting
uh later on to discuss this. So I just

1228
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:52,480
makes me uncomfortable. This reflects on
all of us. I don't think again we should

1229
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:55,760
be at arms length with this. Now you
said there's been no other proposals in

1230
01:39:53,920 --> 01:40:00,880
the area. Actually there has been. Few
years ago uh the company came here

1231
01:39:57,679 --> 01:40:05,520
looking to produce a set up solar piece
river um fairly substantial project. Did

1232
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:10,000
we rush out and form a committee to
further further the pro project? No. We

1233
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:15,679
just thank them for the time and moved
on as we should be doing with this

1234
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:20,159
particular uh proposal and not be
getting into business where we have you

1235
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:25,440
know business. So I think we need to
re-evaluate what we're doing on this

1236
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:31,199
committee because steering us into areas
that are ICE is problematic. And I'm not

1237
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:35,440
out to blame anybody or anything like
that. It's just that I think we should

1238
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:39,520
look at where we're going with this and
is this something we should be doing and

1239
01:40:37,199 --> 01:40:44,080
I think it is not.
>> So your question you asked the most was

1240
01:40:42,159 --> 01:40:48,080
is it appropriate for a private company
to advise a committee of council to hire

1241
01:40:46,639 --> 01:40:52,960
a consultant with public money to
advance the interests of that company

1242
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:57,199
agreed that it would not be appropriate
but that's never what Priya has done.

1243
01:40:55,440 --> 01:41:00,880
We've never
hired a consultant to advance the

1244
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:06,719
interest of that company on their
recommendation of who to hire. We hired

1245
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:11,440
a communication consultant to assist the
municipalities and being prepared for

1246
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:17,280
such a project should it ever gain
approval which at this stage it it has

1247
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:23,360
no approvals but it's in the hands of
the regulators. So, we're trying to, you

1248
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:28,400
know, be be prepared, I guess, and
there's there's no connection between

1249
01:41:24,719 --> 01:41:32,800
Energy Alberta and what we've done with
as far as hiring a communication

1250
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:36,320
consultant. I mean,
yes, the committee was formed because

1251
01:41:34,639 --> 01:41:41,119
the proposal came from them, but we
would we would treat any other proposal

1252
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:45,280
with the same way should there be any. I
mean, there is another one being

1253
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:50,560
proposed over Birch Hills, Smoky River,
Northern Sunrise that hasn't really come

1254
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:54,800
across to us yet, but we we know that
it's still additive. I mean, that's

1255
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:58,880
probably a long ways out in comparison
to the Peace River project. They they've

1256
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:03,719
never submitted anything to the
regulators yet. We've had discussions

1257
01:42:00,719 --> 01:42:03,719
but

1258
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:12,480
» yeah I just had a question to to I mean
any of those specific items on the the

1259
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:17,400
minutes can you can you say which of
those you have a problem with

1260
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:17,400
» yes

1261
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:27,199
those
um a problem with um a employee from a

1262
01:42:25,679 --> 01:42:33,040
company
of

1263
01:42:29,440 --> 01:42:39,719
telling the the committee.
So then consult benefit feedback

1264
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:39,719
municipal government res

1265
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:59,840
» okay energy alberta are the
communicators of joy

1266
01:42:58,239 --> 01:43:05,440
orc are the receivers of the
information. So anyway, again this is

1267
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:10,000
all for one company here. Now, if you
read the position paper, I mean, it

1268
01:43:08,239 --> 01:43:15,920
could have been taken off Enelberg's
website. And again, this should should

1269
01:43:13,199 --> 01:43:21,440
not be I see this as benefiting one
company.

1270
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:26,000
And then Ally Hansel, maybe you can
explain who this guy is, but he's

1271
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:32,800
» and so she
so she's a communication consultant I

1272
01:43:29,119 --> 01:43:37,679
assume with NH Alberta like she and and
anything that she did attend at one

1273
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:41,920
meeting suggestion. She's not telling us
you shall do this, you shall do that.

1274
01:43:39,679 --> 01:43:46,679
She's saying Mrs. Hall, they see it from
their their side that uh

1275
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:52,400
» Yeah. So, so they're they're
recommending uh this consultant be

1276
01:43:51,199 --> 01:43:55,679
huttered.
>> Um

1277
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:58,679
they're suggesting it, right? They're
not

1278
01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:05,920
steering influence into the the
committee to hire this consultant. And

1279
01:44:04,159 --> 01:44:11,520
to me, it looks like the consultant
benefits one company.

1280
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:16,159
It's not
my

1281
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:20,239
industry as a whole.
It's just

1282
01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:25,440
So it was not it was not arms length.
This does not represent to me arms

1283
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:31,440
length as we should be on this issue.
Again, we wouldn't we wouldn't uh have a

1284
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:34,480
committee to look at purchasing a a
piece of equipment and then sit down

1285
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:39,840
with a representative or one company
that present

1286
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:42,719
represents one interest. That's what's
going on here.

1287
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:45,840
» But we're not purchasing anything. I
mean this is just

1288
01:44:43,440 --> 01:44:50,400
» yeah purchasing a consultant with public
funds

1289
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:53,679
services purchasing the services of
consultant

1290
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:56,719
» y and not not and not on the direction
of any one company this is on the

1291
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:59,520
direction
>> well I guess that's open to

1292
01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:03,040
interpretation if you read the minutes
>> well

1293
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:07,239
» but which item are you referring to the
um just

1294
01:45:08,719 --> 01:45:18,719
pages of of the minutes.
These are taken from the minutes of May

1295
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:24,239
9, 2025.
We have two employees of energy over

1296
01:45:22,719 --> 01:45:28,320
saying a wonderful thing and need to
have this been solved. I think this has

1297
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:35,600
been appropriate.
Well, that that's I guess subjective

1298
01:45:32,639 --> 01:45:39,199
interpretation because that was the only
suggestion about talking about

1299
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:43,840
communications, but she clearly said
that energy over Alberta. There's

1300
01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:48,159
largely specific questions go to them.
Um

1301
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:54,239
might not be a bad idea to have stronger
communication from the municipalities,

1302
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:58,880
which none of us had communication
people. I mean, everybody was doing the

1303
01:45:56,639 --> 01:46:05,760
best they could, but uh we just thought
somebody that had expertise in that

1304
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:11,600
would be a benefit, but not not because
I haven't heard of said no shell or said

1305
01:46:08,639 --> 01:46:17,360
that we that was our original discussion
when the project was first announced was

1306
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:22,560
that we we should probably consider
having a communication consultant

1307
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:27,920
whether it's somebody local or somebody
it didn't matter. We're along with

1308
01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:33,040
be able to help us out with that. That's
what we did. I mean, when Energy Alberta

1309
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:36,560
made those suggestions and we'd already
that we'd already made that decision.

1310
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:40,719
That's what we probably would have to be
doing at some point. And this kind of

1311
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:45,440
maybe reaffirmed it, but it was
definitely not because of them attending

1312
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:49,760
and coming and trying to push the
consultant to favor them. I mean, we

1313
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:53,199
would like to answer Linda's question,
we would do we would treat

1314
01:46:51,214 --> 01:46:59,119
[clears throat] any component on a
project like with the same the same

1315
01:46:56,480 --> 01:47:02,760
weight as as these guys
perceived to be getting.

1316
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:11,199
Now, I know it's not just me that has
concerns. Um I know that committee this

1317
01:47:09,440 --> 01:47:16,960
was in they're not included here. There
was some talk in the minutes that

1318
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:22,639
committee was unsure of the direction
they were going this and and the role of

1319
01:47:19,199 --> 01:47:29,679
the committee. And I just think we
should be We should be out of this. I I

1320
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:33,760
don't see it as helpful. I'm not
prepared to make a motion that we

1321
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:38,480
suspend our participation in this
debate.

1322
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:44,920
I just don't see it as helpful and we're
we're getting

1323
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:44,920
too cozy with with one.

1324
01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:54,960
Okay. So, we have a motion by councelor
to suspend our participation in the

1325
01:47:52,239 --> 01:47:57,960
period. Is that how we roll with it?
>> Yes.

1326
01:47:59,199 --> 01:48:09,280
» Yeah. Participation in Korea.
>> Any other

1327
01:48:05,679 --> 01:48:09,280
comments or questions?

1328
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:36,880
Okay, I see no more questions. I'll call
for the vote. All in favor?

1329
01:48:34,159 --> 01:48:40,040
Opposed?
It's defeated.

1330
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:50,560
Okay. Item L is a piece of opening and
meeting invitations. So this is the one

1331
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:55,360
that I can
maybe just reassess this meeting now and

1332
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:59,719
go into the
public hearings.

1333
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:59,719
» Okay. Sorry.

1334
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:04,239
» Oh, actually got a good five people next
to me.

1335
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:11,280
Uh, do we have anybody is Where's Pearl
at?

1336
01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:15,800
» Pearl is virtual.
>> She's virtual.

1337
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:15,800
» Yes. Um,

1338
01:49:17,199 --> 01:49:23,159
» does need to make a motion to hear first
or

1339
01:49:26,719 --> 01:49:29,719
» what?

1340
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:35,520
» Well, she was virtual. Yeah. I'm
listening, but I'm also taking calls.

1341
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:41,520
So, [laughter]
>> let's do the public hearing first. I

1342
01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:45,080
don't know if we got anybody from
online or not.

1343
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:59,520
» We'll just do the public hearing. Yeah.
>> Yep. We'll do that first and then we'll

1344
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:05,600
go to the NPC.
>> Okay. And then actually then we can go

1345
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:09,000
back to the
meetings together.

1346
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:17,679
» Okay. So
>> ISL will not be joining us either as

1347
01:50:15,440 --> 01:50:21,080
both of the permits for MPC were
permitted

1348
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:21,080
» use

1349
01:50:21,199 --> 01:50:24,199
first.

1350
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:38,159
Yes. Uh Terry, I just need a a counselor
to make a motion to move our regular

1351
01:50:36,159 --> 01:50:43,199
council meeting into the public hearing.
I will

1352
01:50:40,719 --> 01:50:47,600
» council make the motion. All in favor?
It's carried.

1353
01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:51,000
They'll declare the public hearing open
at 11:03

1354
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:58,239
participants.
So

1355
01:50:56,239 --> 01:51:04,880
could you give uh the nature of the
proposed bylaw? Oh, this is for bylaw

1356
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:08,560
number 26-61-511
for the record. So can you give the

1357
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:12,400
nature of the proposed bylaw? Does that
into the record

1358
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:16,239
uh from our planning and development
clerk, please?

1359
01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:21,760
» Yes. So, in accordance with county
policy, land use file amendment 2661511

1360
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:26,880
received first reading on Tuesday, July
14th, 2026 council meeting. Uh, the

1361
01:51:25,119 --> 01:51:29,840
purpose of today's council public
hearing is to provide an opportunity for

1362
01:51:28,639 --> 01:51:34,960
members of the public to make comments
and submissions regarding the proposed

1363
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:38,480
matter under consideration. Q confirm
that all required public notification

1364
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:43,040
procedures including newspaper
advertisements, public announcements and

1365
01:51:40,639 --> 01:51:47,119
applicable notification time frames have
been completed in accordance with

1366
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:51,760
legislative requirements.
>> Yes, it was posted in the mile zero

1367
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:56,400
banner post on July 15th and 22nd. It
was also posted on our website and the

1368
01:51:53,920 --> 01:52:00,960
county Facebook page. Y
>> thank you. So I will ask you to join the

1369
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:06,639
presentation.
Okay.

1370
01:52:03,599 --> 01:52:10,000
Bylaw number 2661511,
County of Northern Lights, Province of

1371
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:15,040
Alberta, being a bylaw for the purpose
of amending the County of Northern

1372
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:18,480
Lights land use bylaw 1261-290.
Whereas the council of the county of

1373
01:52:16,719 --> 01:52:22,239
northern lights, province of Alberta,
has adopted a land use bylaw. And

1374
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:26,800
whereas the council has the authority
under the provision of the municipal

1375
01:52:23,679 --> 01:52:30,800
government act RSA 2000 as amended to
amend the land use bylaw. And whereas

1376
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:34,000
the council of the county of Northern
Lights deems it desirable to amend the

1377
01:52:32,472 --> 01:52:38,000
[clears throat] land use bylaw number
1261-290.

1378
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:42,159
Now, therefore, the council of the
county of Northern Lights, duly

1379
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:46,320
assembled, hereby enacts the following.
One, that schedule two of the land use

1380
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:50,080
bylaw maps be amended to include the
following. that the land use

1381
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:57,760
classification for a portion of
northwest of section 36 township 84

1382
01:52:54,639 --> 01:53:02,000
range 22 west of the fifth meridian be
amended from a split zone parcel in

1383
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:07,040
which the north is zoned agricultural
restricted and the south is zoned

1384
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:12,159
general M industrial M1 to the entire
parcel being zoned agricultural

1385
01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:16,560
restricted AR district as illustrated in
schedule A attached here too and that

1386
01:53:14,639 --> 01:53:21,440
this bylaw shall come into effect upon
on the date of the final passage

1387
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:27,119
thereof.
>> Okay. So, have you seen any written

1388
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:29,440
submissions in support of the proposed
bylaw?

1389
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:32,800
» No.
>> Have you written Have you received any

1390
01:53:31,119 --> 01:53:35,760
written submissions opposed to the
proposed bylaw?

1391
01:53:34,239 --> 01:53:39,520
» No.
>> Okay. I'll call if there is any verbal

1392
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:42,880
submissions in support of the proposed
bylaw.

1393
01:53:41,248 --> 01:53:47,280
[clears throat]
>> Seeing none. So I'll call for any verbal

1394
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:53,440
submissions opposed to the proposed
bylaw.

1395
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:57,360
And I'm seeing none. So I will call for
uh to give the recommendation.

1396
01:53:55,760 --> 01:54:02,639
» It is recommended the council approve
the proposed land use bylaw 2661511 to

1397
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:07,000
reszone this parcel in its entirety from
the agricultural restricted district.

1398
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:11,000
questions from council

1399
01:54:13,599 --> 01:54:22,040
because there's more questions.
>> Wonderful.

1400
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:22,040
» You're saying that it's going to go from

1401
01:54:23,440 --> 01:54:28,960
industrial.
>> Yeah.

1402
01:54:26,480 --> 01:54:31,960
» That means the whole package now will be
a

1403
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:41,280
» and it's reflecting as agriculture. So
if someone wants to change something,

1404
01:54:37,599 --> 01:54:45,040
they can't. Like if they want to resone
something on this,

1405
01:54:43,599 --> 01:54:49,199
» if they'd want to reszone, they'd have
to apply to go back to another zoning.

1406
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:52,400
» They're just going to the egg restricted
because that's what their use aligns

1407
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:56,719
with and that's what the northern
portion is.

1408
01:54:53,760 --> 01:55:02,159
» They had just done this uh zoning change
in the past because they were looking to

1409
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:05,520
subdivide, but they no longer wish to.
>> Any other questions?

1410
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:10,679
just doesn't make sense,

1411
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:17,800
» especially since the parcel that was
zoned differently doesn't even

1412
01:55:13,679 --> 01:55:17,800
technically exist. So,

1413
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:27,280
» they just did they updated the map
before they registered some

1414
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:30,560
» and the reasonzoning was a condition of
the subdivision, but they didn't

1415
01:55:28,719 --> 01:55:37,320
endorse.
>> Thanks. So I shall shall adjourn the

1416
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:37,320
public hearing at 118

1417
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:44,960
and I will recess the legend meeting and
then turn it over to the chair of the

1418
01:55:43,599 --> 01:55:53,480
MDC.
>> Okay. Thank you. A planning commission

1419
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:53,480
meetings order 118

1420
01:55:55,040 --> 01:56:03,840
agenda proceedings to be
a motion to approve the agenda as

1421
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:06,840
presented
counc

1422
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:22,080
July 14th minute any errors or emissions
questions.

1423
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:27,080
Seeing none,
councelor Reese. All in favor?

1424
01:56:27,440 --> 01:56:33,760
Okay, we'll just move down to
development permits issued by the

1425
01:56:30,639 --> 01:56:40,560
development officer BP26-9
and BP 26-27.

1426
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:45,360
Any questions um in regards to those um
development permits?

1427
01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:48,920
We see none have a motion to accept
deliver information.

1428
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:53,880
All in favor

1429
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:57,320
the meeting.

1430
01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:07,840
» Okay. So, uh
we adjourn the regular meeting and let's

1431
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:12,639
go back to page we're still on page one
of the agenda

1432
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:18,159
» 4.0 item.
No, pardon me. Item 5.0 proposed by law

1433
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:24,159
amendment.
Find that. Looking to give second

1434
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:29,280
reading.
>> Carrie, we just need a motion to bring

1435
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:34,000
the uh to move the bylaw 2661511
regular

1436
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:38,920
uh into discussion the count the public
hearing regular council meeting

1437
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:47,440
that we just passed. Move the public
hearing bylaw 20 2661511

1438
01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:49,920
to the regular council meeting for
discussion.

1439
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:52,159
» Oh, it's in the
>> It's already It's on the agenda.

1440
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:58,000
» It's on the agenda.
>> Oh, right. Yeah. Okay.

1441
01:57:55,440 --> 01:58:04,040
» So, we don't need a motion for
>> Okay. So, I'm looking for second reading

1442
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:04,040
of 26-61-

1443
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:10,440
make that motion. All in favor?

1444
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:17,320
Okay,
>> keep it up. Okay, so third and final

1445
01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:17,320
meeting.

1446
01:58:18,639 --> 01:58:24,880
» All in favor? It's carried.
>> Thank you, girl.

1447
01:58:23,599 --> 01:58:28,280
» Let me know when you guys are ready for
my next one.

1448
01:58:34,639 --> 01:58:38,280
» 6.6.1 6.15

1449
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:45,440
myself.
>> So every month we give you guys an

1450
01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:51,280
update of what occurred in planning and
development in the month of July. Uh we

1451
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:58,719
received 37 development inquiries all to
CNL staff. Five applications and six

1452
01:58:54,560 --> 01:59:04,560
notice of decisions were approved. Um we
received 15 inquiries for

1453
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:09,119
subdivision 2 CNL staff. Two of them
went to ISL staff. So a total of 17

1454
01:59:06,719 --> 01:59:14,239
inquiries. Three applications resulted
out of that. Uh none were endorsed.

1455
01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:18,239
Uh these are all on number of
individuals who inquire, not frequency

1456
01:59:16,239 --> 01:59:22,960
of inquiries. I honestly just can't
track every time somebody calls.

1457
01:59:20,639 --> 01:59:28,320
» There's a lot of calls.
And then ISL touches on all files that

1458
01:59:25,199 --> 01:59:32,560
we touch on to at some point. Um other
matters. I attended the Keg River

1459
01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:37,040
Council meeting on July 14th. Uh we're
still experiencing an for the rateayer

1460
01:59:35,199 --> 01:59:40,960
meeting there. We're still experiencing
an influx of inquiries due to the

1461
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:45,520
upcoming changes for the land use bylaw
regarding uh dealing with development

1462
01:59:43,199 --> 01:59:50,639
and contravention and regarding changes
to subdivision. Um

1463
01:59:48,880 --> 01:59:55,360
I'm expecting that to continue well into
the fall and well after the land use

1464
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:58,880
bylaws have gone through. I also
attended an information information

1465
01:59:57,199 --> 02:00:03,199
session regarding the proposed changes
to the gravel pit approval process

1466
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:07,040
regarding bill 28 and there is an item
on the agenda briefing you of this

1467
02:00:04,639 --> 02:00:11,440
today. There will be more to follow
following the other meetings.

1468
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:16,320
» I don't know if council is aware but we
also um has been asked to be the clerk

1469
02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:17,920
for a
stab appeal.

1470
02:00:17,520 --> 02:00:23,760
» Yes.
>> Yeah. Um, so part of your agreement

1471
02:00:21,199 --> 02:00:29,040
that we are in, we have a clerk
available. So, um, we can speak more to

1472
02:00:27,199 --> 02:00:33,440
that. I think we have an agenda item as
an addition. So, I'll update you on some

1473
02:00:31,599 --> 02:00:37,280
things there, but Pearl is currently
acting as our clerk right now as well.

1474
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:40,320
» Did you have to take any training for
that or

1475
02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:45,599
» I took that in the first two weeks of my
employment in this position? Um, but

1476
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:49,199
I've I will speak to you about that
later when we have that item on the

1477
02:00:47,119 --> 02:00:50,320
agenda.
Good.

1478
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:54,000
» Yeah.
>> Put it to use now.

1479
02:00:52,719 --> 02:00:59,119
» Yeah.
>> Okay. Any questions on the

1480
02:00:58,138 --> 02:01:02,239
[clears throat]
on the administration planning

1481
02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:07,360
development update? Not we'll get a
motion to accept for information.

1482
02:01:05,599 --> 02:01:09,360
All in favor? Okay. [clears throat]
Thank you.

1483
02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:13,000
» Thank you.
>> I will see you later.

1484
02:01:14,159 --> 02:01:22,920
» Okay. Move back to page one.
Item Liver Canadian Legion branch

1485
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:22,920
invitation.

1486
02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:28,679
We've all read it. I hope anybody
interested in attending.

1487
02:01:31,119 --> 02:01:36,840
It's
September 19th.

1488
02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:44,920
» It was the invitation.
or students.

1489
02:01:45,599 --> 02:01:54,119
» I because responsive the mural we should
probably send.

1490
02:01:49,840 --> 02:01:54,119
» It does include a plus one

1491
02:01:54,480 --> 02:02:00,159
» includes which
>> like a a guest. So if if anybody is

1492
02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:04,639
attending they can bring in their
significant other.

1493
02:02:02,159 --> 02:02:07,639
» Thank you.
Yeah.

1494
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:16,320
I don't think that would be sufficient.
We have one representative.

1495
02:02:17,360 --> 02:02:23,080
We want to make a motion to accept the
invitation that

1496
02:02:23,119 --> 02:02:30,280
yeah counc
all in favor

1497
02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:41,520
item m
invitation from prairies county to

1498
02:02:38,960 --> 02:02:44,520
attend their announcement at Mercerville
They

1499
02:02:45,040 --> 02:02:53,040
reached out to myself and to Ghard and
we did confirm that we would attend. Had

1500
02:02:50,719 --> 02:02:59,280
a subsequent email yesterday from
somebody from Paris. The communication

1501
02:02:54,960 --> 02:03:04,560
person sent it to myself and Gloria
if we would be attending and and

1502
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:08,639
somebody can bring some words like a two
or three minute words from readings from

1503
02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:14,480
council. And I said well we're going to
be there anyway. I asked any particular

1504
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:18,800
reason why they asked councelor Dean and
yeah he said because the mill is in her

1505
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:24,080
word and so I [clears throat] replied no
it's actually not it's in word one and

1506
02:03:22,239 --> 02:03:30,000
oh so they I haven't heard anything back
but so I will be attending I think I'm

1507
02:03:28,480 --> 02:03:34,960
sure that
>> yeah because they did give us they said

1508
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:37,760
9:30 or 3 and then they said three but I
don't know what time their ceremonies

1509
02:03:36,239 --> 02:03:42,800
are they haven't got back with that
information yet So there could even be

1510
02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:46,960
something email by now just confirming
what time. So yeah. So you're still good

1511
02:03:46,159 --> 02:03:49,440
to go yet?
>> Yeah.

1512
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:54,400
» And I'm good to go.
>> Um

1513
02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:58,719
» I don't know. D figure out then.
>> Yeah. I mean it is in your word. So that

1514
02:03:57,119 --> 02:04:01,760
seemed to be that seemed to matter
yesterday in email.

1515
02:04:00,960 --> 02:04:07,400
» Yeah. I can
>> you can be there. I mean you sit on the

1516
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:07,400
pack as well, right? So

1517
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:17,840
» Okay. So we just need uh a motion to
acknowledge the uh meeting request with

1518
02:04:13,199 --> 02:04:21,840
Praise can and approve myself and Gary
to attend and Gary will be attending

1519
02:04:19,599 --> 02:04:24,960
too. I don't have any council emotion
for that.

1520
02:04:23,679 --> 02:04:29,119
So I
>> can you reveal anything about this?

1521
02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:34,639
» I have no idea other than the email
yesterday. Let me just read it.

1522
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:37,280
Absolutely. I I think it's uh
>> you're going to make

1523
02:04:35,440 --> 02:04:43,560
» I think we're going to cost you some
financial help.

1524
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:43,560
» Sometimes

1525
02:04:49,119 --> 02:04:55,119
scan is coordinating a media event on
the 26th to announce a federal

1526
02:04:53,440 --> 02:05:02,400
investment through Periscan for the
Mercer Perver [clears throat] upgrade.

1527
02:04:58,159 --> 02:05:08,080
So a federal investment interpret that I
guess sounds like

1528
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:11,880
» they got one of them big 8ft by 4 foot
checks there.

1529
02:05:12,800 --> 02:05:16,480
So
>> the time is

1530
02:05:14,639 --> 02:05:21,639
» well don't know that yet but we'll let
you know. That's coming up pretty quick

1531
02:05:18,159 --> 02:05:21,639
here, right? So

1532
02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:27,360
» just looking for a motion to approve
that.

1533
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:31,400
» You make the motion.
>> Okay. All in favor?

1534
02:05:33,360 --> 02:05:42,719
Okay. We move to our additions now. Item
N is a piece of ICF.

1535
02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:47,840
Everybody's on a paper copy this
morning.

1536
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:52,000
So basically the question is that um
just to acknowledge that we are still

1537
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:59,679
that we are going forward with the
regional approach to this ICF river and

1538
02:05:55,599 --> 02:06:07,280
that we specifically after a motion that
we apply for a for some grant funding uh

1539
02:06:04,239 --> 02:06:14,719
to be the ACT grant
process that's available and but we did

1540
02:06:09,679 --> 02:06:19,440
a a a letter of support from council for
So you're looking

1541
02:06:16,639 --> 02:06:23,280
that we would supply a letter of support
for the grant

1542
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:27,840
» if council is is in agreement and I mean
the first part of that consideration is

1543
02:06:25,520 --> 02:06:33,599
that council confirm they they're still
waiting to pos participate

1544
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:36,599
in a regional intermal collaboration
between

1545
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:45,119
» so just a bit of background we did have
a kind of initial meeting just to kind

1546
02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:51,199
be in the same room and we kind of
agreed that the regional approach would

1547
02:06:46,800 --> 02:06:58,920
be probably best and that we would
engage a facilitator and that's what the

1548
02:06:54,560 --> 02:06:58,920
draft is used toward. touch.

1549
02:07:00,239 --> 02:07:07,679
» Got to be honest, it was a very positive
meeting and I think all municipalities

1550
02:07:04,079 --> 02:07:13,199
involved are really uh open and and
ready for communications going forward

1551
02:07:10,239 --> 02:07:19,280
on this which is a very positive sign.
And I'll just say being on the previous

1552
02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:26,159
negotiating committee where it was
oneonone and this looks way cleaner than

1553
02:07:23,040 --> 02:07:31,760
that was that was uh when they did each
municipality individually and I don't

1554
02:07:29,199 --> 02:07:38,239
think the result was what anybody really
wanted but it was new we were learning

1555
02:07:34,239 --> 02:07:46,320
and now I think this will be better but
so yeah looking for a motion to u be

1556
02:07:42,239 --> 02:07:50,719
part of regional collaboration and send
a letter send a letter of support along

1557
02:07:48,719 --> 02:07:52,960
with the grant application and who's
handling the grant application northern

1558
02:07:52,480 --> 02:07:56,119
suns
>> I think

1559
02:07:56,960 --> 02:08:01,599
we can do that
>> okay councelor please makes that motion

1560
02:07:59,599 --> 02:08:05,599
so any questions for clarification on
that

1561
02:08:03,679 --> 02:08:08,639
I don't know that we we scheduled the
next meeting for early September I

1562
02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:14,000
believe
>> we have a whole bunch of doodle pole

1563
02:08:10,400 --> 02:08:14,000
dates pending nothing's been confirmed

1564
02:08:16,719 --> 02:08:25,040
Okay. Any further clarification? If not,
all in favor?

1565
02:08:22,639 --> 02:08:30,400
That's carried.
Do the next addition.

1566
02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:35,800
So, it's a big long name, the piece
regional subdivision development field

1567
02:08:32,400 --> 02:08:35,800
board appointment.

1568
02:08:36,159 --> 02:08:43,199
So, maybe talk to the security. So,
they're having some hearing, but there's

1569
02:08:41,679 --> 02:08:47,040
kind of lacking members, right?
>> Yeah. This is just a temporary

1570
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:51,119
appointment of of two members for
immediate ones that's available now and

1571
02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:56,480
then also appointing
uh for going forward. If you look at the

1572
02:08:54,239 --> 02:09:02,800
second page of the motion, it will
actually explain a little bit more.

1573
02:08:59,520 --> 02:09:11,239
So the motion one would be for the for
the immediate ones that we so that we

1574
02:09:05,440 --> 02:09:11,239
can uh adjudicate the the

1575
02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:14,760
res00

1576
02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:23,920
the first five and then it would be the
second motion would be that council

1577
02:09:20,880 --> 02:09:28,679
approve that following individual member
of the original subdivision development.

1578
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:34,119
If we currently don't have anybody
pointed

1579
02:09:35,679 --> 02:09:38,679
think

1580
02:09:44,079 --> 02:09:50,560
one I was on that but I don't know if I
still am or not. I don't know if there's

1581
02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:55,440
a expiration date on those or not.
love the way it is because I know I took

1582
02:09:52,719 --> 02:09:59,440
the training probably five years ago and
it would all be new to me again now

1583
02:09:57,119 --> 02:10:03,639
because I never had to use it to
>> but anyway list

1584
02:10:03,920 --> 02:10:10,320
» there's a list
>> there there is with the agreement but I

1585
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:13,920
don't know that's been updated and it's
hard to track

1586
02:10:12,320 --> 02:10:16,960
» whether or not all those people are
still eligible.

1587
02:10:15,119 --> 02:10:23,119
» That's true. So, what happens is like
when we actually there's a bunch of

1588
02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:26,880
problems with this, but um I don't know
if they want to get into that now or if

1589
02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:30,560
you just want to
>> Yeah, we'll do it this year

1590
02:10:29,040 --> 02:10:34,320
» today and then you can talk about that
another time to have a look at that. I

1591
02:10:32,159 --> 02:10:40,880
guess we should try to find out maybe
sometime about these two appeal boards,

1592
02:10:36,719 --> 02:10:45,599
this one and the assessment one who if
what their roster looks like, right?

1593
02:10:42,639 --> 02:10:49,040
» Yeah. which we had and it should be like
my understanding is if your members

1594
02:10:47,360 --> 02:10:51,280
change you should probably advise the
other members that are parties to the

1595
02:10:50,560 --> 02:10:54,719
agreement
>> right

1596
02:10:52,159 --> 02:10:59,760
» um yeah
>> I know Manning and myself took the

1597
02:10:57,599 --> 02:11:04,400
assessment one
never did sit in the hearing

1598
02:11:01,520 --> 02:11:10,800
» no there's very few of those um but we
are there are a lot more in this one

1599
02:11:08,400 --> 02:11:17,280
» um yeah
>> okay so looking for motion

1600
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:22,520
to appoint uh John Ken and Lyn Coulter
as

1601
02:11:19,520 --> 02:11:22,520
temporary

1602
02:11:22,639 --> 02:11:31,880
members of the regional sub field board
council deception. All in favor

1603
02:11:34,079 --> 02:11:42,000
the next motion will be to appointed
Dorian

1604
02:11:38,719 --> 02:11:47,079
as a member of the app board.
for three effective today.

1605
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:53,320
Make that motion
accept motion. All in favor

1606
02:11:59,041 --> 02:12:07,520
[clears throat] next week
and that's on subdivision

1607
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:14,239
assessment. must have an assistant.
>> It's been council update.

1608
02:12:11,440 --> 02:12:21,119
» Everybody's off the hook.
>> Okay. Uh, next addition was item P on

1609
02:12:17,920 --> 02:12:26,960
citing properties in Northstar.
>> Hey, that's me. So, I received a concern

1610
02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:31,920
from a resident right there who lives in
the hamlet of North D regarding the

1611
02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:35,840
sighting properties in the hamlet. they
can understand how come the county where

1612
02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:40,560
the lights have been taken action on
these properties

1613
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:46,560
have been cleaned up. They've also
reported that there's recurring garbage

1614
02:12:43,520 --> 02:12:50,320
in rightways in the hamlet on both side
of roads and their families have been

1615
02:12:48,639 --> 02:12:54,960
trying to keep that clean and picking it
up and not sure whose responsibility

1616
02:12:52,400 --> 02:13:00,880
which is probably our responsibility to
get those of that garbage care up. Um

1617
02:12:59,040 --> 02:13:06,639
they're glad that the county is cutting
the grass and maintaining county

1618
02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:12,560
property and they're thank for that. Um
I was unable to locate a bylaw for

1619
02:13:10,079 --> 02:13:17,840
unsightly premises. I believe there may
be one was a nuisance bylaw that was

1620
02:13:15,360 --> 02:13:26,119
rescended but I'm sorry don't date for
that. So just um wanting to find out

1621
02:13:21,040 --> 02:13:26,119
what we are going to do about this.

1622
02:13:26,480 --> 02:13:32,760
Well, I guess maybe you answered one of
your questions by law

1623
02:13:33,119 --> 02:13:42,719
to take action.
>> Yes and no. Um, so

1624
02:13:40,239 --> 02:13:46,480
councelor Dean is correct. We we at one
time had what was called a nuisance

1625
02:13:44,320 --> 02:13:52,000
bylaw included in that. We had
references to unsightly premises um that

1626
02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:56,560
just kind of detailed what we could do.
That was repealed a number of years ago.

1627
02:13:54,639 --> 02:14:02,320
I don't remember when and I don't
remember why. Sometime between when I

1628
02:13:59,599 --> 02:14:07,679
started and now in the last 10 and a
half years and I think it was if I

1629
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:11,440
remember correctly due to just uh I have
a bylaws or we got rid of a few. So I

1630
02:14:09,920 --> 02:14:14,480
think that was the same time we got rid
of our dog control bylaw.

1631
02:14:13,119 --> 02:14:17,440
» I'm pretty sure it was because we had
that noise complaint and we thought that

1632
02:14:16,079 --> 02:14:19,840
we could do it underneath.
>> Yeah.

1633
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:24,880
» For those of the thing and then repeal
because there was no enforcement. Um, so

1634
02:14:22,800 --> 02:14:29,679
that being said, that doesn't mean we
have no options. The Municipal

1635
02:14:26,639 --> 02:14:37,679
Government Act does provide us the
ability to take action. Um, an action

1636
02:14:34,320 --> 02:14:43,199
being advising owners of such properties
of what we would like to do to remedy

1637
02:14:39,679 --> 02:14:47,760
the situation and we still can enforce
uh enforce by means of actually going up

1638
02:14:45,520 --> 02:14:53,199
to the property and remedying whatever
the issue is ourselves. Um the

1639
02:14:51,280 --> 02:15:01,360
complaints so I also spoke to this
resident. Um so complaints are I think

1640
02:14:56,719 --> 02:15:05,920
garbage and um unkempt lawn and weeds
and one of the properties actually even

1641
02:15:03,520 --> 02:15:12,320
appears to be abandoned. So the doors
are wide open currently allegedly. I

1642
02:15:08,159 --> 02:15:19,440
haven't looked personally uh yet. So
what what the MGA gives us the power to

1643
02:15:15,360 --> 02:15:25,040
deal with is things that are of a safety
concern. So arguably maybe the one if

1644
02:15:22,560 --> 02:15:30,159
the doors are open, we can deal with
that. Um probably we can deal with that

1645
02:15:27,840 --> 02:15:35,599
by going and shutting the doors as well.
Um I don't think that would be a big

1646
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:40,239
issue. Um but also
the the safety concern is kind of

1647
02:15:37,360 --> 02:15:46,000
broadly described as being detrimental
to the value of the surrounding

1648
02:15:41,840 --> 02:15:50,960
properties. So we've historically
issued cleanup notices to one of the

1649
02:15:48,719 --> 02:15:56,239
properties that actually two of them I
think that are being complained about by

1650
02:15:52,639 --> 02:16:00,320
this resident yet again. Um, so
specifically we dealt with the one where

1651
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:04,079
there's garbage all over the yard. And I
can I believe that 100%. Every time I've

1652
02:16:02,719 --> 02:16:08,960
ever looked at this after hearing
complaints, they just build up of

1653
02:16:06,480 --> 02:16:13,280
garbage in the backyard, which you can
kind of see. We've had complaints about

1654
02:16:11,280 --> 02:16:17,760
that. From just how it looks to how it
smells to what if bears come in because

1655
02:16:15,679 --> 02:16:23,760
there's giant piles of garbage in the
yard. Um, there are people living there.

1656
02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:27,920
the owner, every time we've contacted
them says, "I've I don't own this

1657
02:16:25,360 --> 02:16:35,519
anymore. I've handed it off to I don't
remember if it's ex-wife or what it is,

1658
02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:40,240
but messy situation." Anyways, um so we
can do that. Um but I don't know if

1659
02:16:38,479 --> 02:16:45,679
council would like to see what these
properties actually look like before we

1660
02:16:42,319 --> 02:16:49,040
write such a letter and take action. Um
also, if we're going to write that

1661
02:16:46,960 --> 02:16:53,679
letter, I would expect that we follow
through with it if nothing happens.

1662
02:16:51,439 --> 02:16:59,439
Otherwise, it's kind of pointless to
issue that letter. Um, but something for

1663
02:16:57,120 --> 02:17:05,840
you guys to think about, I guess, and
talk about. So, the garbage one thing,

1664
02:17:02,399 --> 02:17:09,120
the unsafe potential of the one, one
thing.

1665
02:17:07,599 --> 02:17:15,280
Little bit different when it comes to
people's lawns, I guess. But, um, it is

1666
02:17:13,280 --> 02:17:19,040
a hamlet. There are multiple people that
complain about this. There are there is

1667
02:17:17,120 --> 02:17:25,200
a group of people that are trying to
make this hamlet look nicer and more

1668
02:17:21,519 --> 02:17:27,599
livable. And there are properties and I
don't know Brenton, can you drive

1669
02:17:26,240 --> 02:17:33,359
through it too? But there are definitely
some that are and I'll say my words

1670
02:17:30,639 --> 02:17:38,719
carefully, but neglected compared to the
other ones in terms of their cleanliness

1671
02:17:36,319 --> 02:17:42,880
and aesthetics.
That's

1672
02:17:39,679 --> 02:17:46,240
» not there quite a bit lately. and where
my son used to live where we handed him

1673
02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:51,359
a letter.
>> One of them. Yeah,

1674
02:17:48,080 --> 02:17:55,840
» he got a letter. Um, that place is the
best. There's never been anybody in

1675
02:17:53,519 --> 02:17:58,160
there since. And yeah, the grass, the
trees, everything are going.

1676
02:17:57,679 --> 02:18:04,960
» Yeah,
>> there's a trailer that also belongs to

1677
02:18:01,439 --> 02:18:07,439
the same person. What I There's no one
living there.

1678
02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:12,719
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. looks pretty crappy looking,

1679
02:18:10,639 --> 02:18:16,880
» which is allowed. You can open places
and not live there, but at the same

1680
02:18:14,719 --> 02:18:21,359
time, there's still an expectation that
you maintain it.

1681
02:18:19,599 --> 02:18:27,120
» We just don't have a bylaw that
specifies, I guess, standards of this.

1682
02:18:23,679 --> 02:18:32,800
So you're you're utilizing the wording
of the Municipal Government Act, saying

1683
02:18:29,760 --> 02:18:37,439
the way your property looks is now being
complained by neighbors stating that

1684
02:18:35,519 --> 02:18:42,800
it's actually impacting the value of
their property. So we would request that

1685
02:18:40,240 --> 02:18:46,800
you mitigate the concerns by whatever
the case may be, cleaning up the

1686
02:18:44,479 --> 02:18:52,160
garbage, mowing the lawn, getting rid of
the weeds.

1687
02:18:49,519 --> 02:18:58,719
So like you said to send a letter and
using MGA as our support was fine but if

1688
02:18:56,719 --> 02:19:01,359
we don't action on it then we'll be the
action

1689
02:18:59,439 --> 02:19:04,880
» and I bet I would be willing to bet
three of the five they'll probably be

1690
02:19:02,880 --> 02:19:11,359
action on uh two of the five we probably
will not have a response on. Right.

1691
02:19:07,840 --> 02:19:16,240
» So then does the county like I know in
the urban areas the municipality if you

1692
02:19:15,200 --> 02:19:21,840
don't [clears throat] do something about
unload grass or un you know unsafe

1693
02:19:19,280 --> 02:19:24,479
properties, they will do it and put it
on their taxes.

1694
02:19:22,960 --> 02:19:28,800
» Yeah, absolutely. And we
>> So you do it and bill them and if they

1695
02:19:26,559 --> 02:19:32,960
don't pay the bill, then you can put
that on their taxes. So yeah.

1696
02:19:30,639 --> 02:19:38,080
» So would we be prepared to do that when
you say question for you guys? You're

1697
02:19:36,639 --> 02:19:42,479
looking at me when you ask that.
>> Yeah, I guess I'm asking is a broad

1698
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:46,719
question, mate.
>> And I've got a follow-up question to

1699
02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:52,800
council then. Do you guys want us to
create a a bylaw?

1700
02:19:51,520 --> 02:19:56,080
» Call that.
>> Well, create a bylaw, but as long as we

1701
02:19:54,960 --> 02:20:01,920
can follow it. I mean
>> Oh, absolutely. So,

1702
02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:04,800
» that was absolutely for sure. Something
needs to be done.

1703
02:20:02,800 --> 02:20:07,840
» I mean, this would be a bylaw only to
hamlets. I mean, we have Dixon Hill and

1704
02:20:06,720 --> 02:20:11,200
we have not
>> I would say to Hamlets. Yes. because I

1705
02:20:10,240 --> 02:20:16,960
mean
>> there's lots of non- hamlet properties

1706
02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:20,080
that are probably not much better but
it's not a not a

1707
02:20:18,560 --> 02:20:26,560
» concentrated population right so
>> well the hamlets are look after so

1708
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:30,640
» that's right we spend money fixing the
streets and the sewer and

1709
02:20:28,960 --> 02:20:34,720
» and your your hamlets are essentially
little towns right that's that's why

1710
02:20:32,800 --> 02:20:39,920
complaints like this tend to be focused
in hamlets is because you have

1711
02:20:36,960 --> 02:20:43,280
» just more people living in come down.
>> It's not fair to a resident if you have

1712
02:20:41,680 --> 02:20:48,800
get up every morning and look across the
fence instead of pile. It's not, you

1713
02:20:46,160 --> 02:20:53,840
know, there's it's got some
>> and also maybe expand this whole thing

1714
02:20:51,280 --> 02:20:58,000
to subdivisions too, not just the
hamlets because I mean there's also

1715
02:20:55,359 --> 02:21:04,399
people living in close
>> contact with your neighbors over there.

1716
02:21:02,240 --> 02:21:07,760
» Can I just put two cents in this? Yes.
>> Because I can see where this is going.

1717
02:21:06,240 --> 02:21:16,000
No. [clears throat]
>> Um I mowing the grass.

1718
02:21:12,000 --> 02:21:22,880
If we have to action that that's fine.
Collection of garbage. How

1719
02:21:20,240 --> 02:21:27,520
I would be hesitant because how do you
know

1720
02:21:24,720 --> 02:21:31,280
a cook what's actually garbage?
>> Your garbage is my treasure.

1721
02:21:29,600 --> 02:21:37,200
» Right. That's that's what I'm getting
at. So to send some summer students out

1722
02:21:34,800 --> 02:21:41,920
to go and start collecting garbage and
throwing it in a dump trailer and taking

1723
02:21:38,960 --> 02:21:48,800
it to Long Lake is all well and good,
but if they go and pick up a barbecue

1724
02:21:46,160 --> 02:21:53,760
that looks like it's
>> in garbage condition. Well, that's what

1725
02:21:51,760 --> 02:21:58,080
I used to cook my dinner on. Now you
took away how I feed myself. But they

1726
02:21:56,560 --> 02:22:04,640
shouldn't be picking up anything that's
not on property. If it's on property,

1727
02:22:01,840 --> 02:22:10,319
» okay, I I was talking on
>> they're going and picking up garbage on

1728
02:22:06,399 --> 02:22:15,040
on the roads and they're not going
>> but if you were going to action us to go

1729
02:22:13,120 --> 02:22:19,120
and collect garbage off of their
property or mow their property

1730
02:22:17,680 --> 02:22:23,920
» and and that's where this gets to be
sticky. It's fine to write a letter if

1731
02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:27,680
people just listen, but your threat in
these letters is we have the authority

1732
02:22:26,080 --> 02:22:32,640
to go in and remedy what we're telling
you to remedy, which means that we

1733
02:22:29,920 --> 02:22:37,600
actually have to go do it. Um, which
could be I know for one of the

1734
02:22:34,240 --> 02:22:42,560
properties at least is garbage. Um, I
think it's mostly just big

1735
02:22:40,479 --> 02:22:44,080
» garbage, but even still, what's what's
in there?

1736
02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:49,280
» Well,
>> it's gross. [laughter]

1737
02:22:46,640 --> 02:22:53,439
» First of all, I'm not going talking
about us picking up garbage along the

1738
02:22:51,840 --> 02:22:56,000
not not on the property.
>> We have to do that constantly in all of

1739
02:22:55,359 --> 02:22:57,760
our ditches.
>> That's right.

1740
02:22:56,479 --> 02:23:01,680
» That's that's an ongoing.
>> Well, they obviously saying that we're

1741
02:22:59,200 --> 02:23:04,720
not doing it enough in Northstar,
but

1742
02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:08,640
» So, the complaint isn't about compiling
garbage on the property.

1743
02:23:05,840 --> 02:23:12,399
» No, it's that Well, it is about Oh, yes,
of course. but also that we're not

1744
02:23:10,640 --> 02:23:16,640
looking after the garbage in our
rightways in their among our that was

1745
02:23:14,560 --> 02:23:19,680
another interesting that they go pick it
up so that

1746
02:23:17,840 --> 02:23:24,560
» yeah I haven't noticed that as much
unless there's some in but

1747
02:23:21,760 --> 02:23:29,840
» yeah anyway
we need to do something for sure

1748
02:23:27,040 --> 02:23:36,800
» so do we want to go back and create a
policy again or do we want to just work

1749
02:23:31,680 --> 02:23:41,680
off this that the NGA outlines
because I mean to create a policy

1750
02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:45,680
it approved.
someone be older than when they covered

1751
02:23:43,040 --> 02:23:49,040
the stories. What's the same then? But
uh

1752
02:23:46,000 --> 02:23:54,319
» I mean they they were they the resident
who you know was she says I I know or

1753
02:23:52,080 --> 02:24:00,560
they said I know they can't possibly
maybe all fixed this year but please

1754
02:23:57,600 --> 02:24:04,880
start something so that we can get this
uh hamlet cleaned up.

1755
02:24:02,880 --> 02:24:11,200
» But I was al I would also recommend that
we do not use our own staff to do that

1756
02:24:07,280 --> 02:24:16,720
and get contractors to do that just for
for

1757
02:24:13,760 --> 02:24:20,560
insurance purposes.
>> We don't have enough to go around with

1758
02:24:18,319 --> 02:24:27,240
it.
>> So for today's purposes and what we want

1759
02:24:24,080 --> 02:24:27,240
to do

1760
02:24:27,359 --> 02:24:37,280
administration look at creating a
unsightly premises property bylaw or

1761
02:24:34,720 --> 02:24:41,439
yeah something in Hamlets.
>> I wouldn't even just do it in Hamlets.

1762
02:24:38,880 --> 02:24:44,560
your bylaw applies to everywhere. Just
your complaints tend to come in handlets

1763
02:24:43,520 --> 02:24:48,479
because that's where there's more
people.

1764
02:24:45,680 --> 02:24:50,880
» Um just the MGA2, it doesn't distinguish
that just to happen. It's all over the

1765
02:24:50,319 --> 02:24:55,760
place.
>> Yeah, I mean we can do what we wanted,

1766
02:24:52,319 --> 02:24:59,920
but this
>> my my only issue with bringing back a

1767
02:24:57,280 --> 02:25:03,840
bylaw that is we rescended the one we
did have for the purpose that we didn't

1768
02:25:01,920 --> 02:25:06,800
have a bile officer. We still don't have
a bile officer. So why would we bring

1769
02:25:05,600 --> 02:25:10,319
something back unless we're going to
change what was the reason we canceled

1770
02:25:08,720 --> 02:25:14,080
it in the first place?
>> So I think if you bring it back, but

1771
02:25:12,240 --> 02:25:18,800
it's the same thing. We had it with the
we used the MGA on the horses in my ward

1772
02:25:16,880 --> 02:25:23,520
and nothing ever got done and the horses
are still there. [clears throat]

1773
02:25:21,280 --> 02:25:26,880
» So So we can't bring back something to
remedy it if we're not going to change

1774
02:25:25,359 --> 02:25:31,760
what the issue is. So unless we're
willing to put a bylaw officer back on

1775
02:25:29,280 --> 02:25:37,760
the the topic with the bylaw, what's the
point?

1776
02:25:33,920 --> 02:25:42,640
Well, and we do have a bio officer,
>> but I mean, so if the action would be

1777
02:25:41,120 --> 02:25:49,280
» give them a notice, they don't act on
it, then the bio officer has the

1778
02:25:44,560 --> 02:25:56,160
authority to send somebody in to do it.
We're not going out and giving fines or,

1779
02:25:52,479 --> 02:26:00,479
you know, just the contain
responsibility for the

1780
02:25:58,240 --> 02:26:04,479
» Well, it probably would start with a
fine and then we will Well, you're not

1781
02:26:02,960 --> 02:26:10,399
paying the parts and you're not dealing
up. You're going to clean up your taxes.

1782
02:26:08,800 --> 02:26:13,520
» There'll be an invoice for the work
done. I don't think we can issue a fine

1783
02:26:12,080 --> 02:26:16,800
unless we have a bylaw indicating
there's fines.

1784
02:26:15,040 --> 02:26:23,359
» That's exactly why.
>> Yeah.

1785
02:26:19,439 --> 02:26:28,080
» I brought to your attention regarding
the like horses like you're talking

1786
02:26:25,520 --> 02:26:33,600
about. This is on a farm. somebody
else's horses are there

1787
02:26:30,880 --> 02:26:38,240
and I was told there's nothing the
county can do about it but we can

1788
02:26:36,560 --> 02:26:43,840
contact
inspection

1789
02:26:41,120 --> 02:26:50,479
» observe something you know this is
getting to be you know I mean it's we

1790
02:26:47,040 --> 02:26:55,439
need to do something like these you know
our people are asking us what are you

1791
02:26:52,319 --> 02:26:58,720
guys going to do about this because we
>> and I mean and that's exactly Linda,

1792
02:26:57,600 --> 02:27:02,240
right? Like what what are we going to
do? But unless we're changing the

1793
02:27:00,080 --> 02:27:05,280
situation and I guess bring it back to a
future ordinance meeting and we can hash

1794
02:27:04,080 --> 02:27:09,200
it out there, but at the end of the day,
I want the CEO to do a CEO job. I want

1795
02:27:07,359 --> 02:27:12,720
you to be running around being a vile
officer. And these are becoming more

1796
02:27:10,720 --> 02:27:16,560
frequent. Like, I'm sorry, Gart, that
you might be a great bio officer, but we

1797
02:27:14,080 --> 02:27:19,840
hired you to be a CEO, not chase horses
and deal with people's garbage. So,

1798
02:27:18,640 --> 02:27:24,240
» you're not going to buy me a hat for
that.

1799
02:27:20,399 --> 02:27:26,960
» No, no. We need you to do your CEO job.
So, I mean, I'm fine if want to bring it

1800
02:27:25,680 --> 02:27:30,720
back for another point. for today's
purposes. I mean, I'm comfortable like

1801
02:27:28,720 --> 02:27:34,479
we have the MGA to lean on. We can
>> Yeah.

1802
02:27:31,120 --> 02:27:40,160
» deal with it right now, but I mean
>> Okay. Can I read what I think the motion

1803
02:27:37,760 --> 02:27:44,640
might be?
um to acknowledge the receipt of the

1804
02:27:42,319 --> 02:27:51,920
unsightly properties in Northstar report
and direct administration to prepare a

1805
02:27:46,720 --> 02:27:56,479
bylaw outlining the uh criteria and
process for unsightly properties and

1806
02:27:53,920 --> 02:28:01,640
bring the draft policy to the next
ordinance committee meeting for council

1807
02:27:58,479 --> 02:28:01,640
to review.

1808
02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:07,640
MGA

1809
02:28:08,880 --> 02:28:17,560
» not yet
discussion

1810
02:28:13,359 --> 02:28:17,560
» notify the property owners

1811
02:28:20,560 --> 02:28:27,760
» and we've historically when we've done
this the letter basically so we've we're

1812
02:28:25,680 --> 02:28:32,160
we've received concerns related to
whatever the concerns are respecting

1813
02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:36,880
your property located here. We are
asking that you do the following to

1814
02:28:33,680 --> 02:28:41,760
remedy. Um please either remedy the
situation or respond within 30 days

1815
02:28:39,439 --> 02:28:46,880
failure to do so.
We use the word may but may result in

1816
02:28:44,640 --> 02:28:50,640
action of us remedying it which can then
be built to you than having to taxual

1817
02:28:49,040 --> 02:28:55,520
inflame language. It sound better than
that when I write it. But

1818
02:28:53,520 --> 02:29:02,560
» I have a question. So Cory, you said
this person has already contacted or in

1819
02:29:00,479 --> 02:29:06,240
county office, right?
>> Yes, of course. So he's probably already

1820
02:29:05,600 --> 02:29:10,560
wrote a letter.
>> No, no, no. Um I the first thing I said

1821
02:29:08,880 --> 02:29:14,640
was it's fine for like I had this
conversation yesterday so probably not

1822
02:29:13,040 --> 02:29:18,800
urgent enough to add it as an addition
from my end but I recommended because

1823
02:29:16,640 --> 02:29:22,399
this is a bylaw we do not have we are
limited in our capacity. It would be

1824
02:29:20,399 --> 02:29:27,280
worthy to speak with your counselors
about this because it is important for

1825
02:29:25,439 --> 02:29:31,680
you guys to know that
>> we do not have a bylaw. This is a

1826
02:29:28,960 --> 02:29:36,080
concern. We do get this kind of
complaint quite frequently, especially

1827
02:29:34,160 --> 02:29:40,560
in the summer, right?
>> Yeah.

1828
02:29:38,160 --> 02:29:44,319
» I haven't I haven't written one. We had
a concern from another neighbor about

1829
02:29:42,240 --> 02:29:45,520
one of these properties a little while
ago.

1830
02:29:44,880 --> 02:29:49,680
» Yeah.
>> Um as well, which I think we've

1831
02:29:48,240 --> 02:29:55,600
investigated in
>> that was like two years ago.

1832
02:29:51,760 --> 02:30:02,280
» No, like a month ago
about two years ago.

1833
02:29:58,080 --> 02:30:02,280
You just put on the screen

1834
02:30:07,600 --> 02:30:13,920
» and I'll I'll put it
I won't abbreviate it.

1835
02:30:13,120 --> 02:30:17,760
» What?
>> Yeah.

1836
02:30:16,080 --> 02:30:26,960
» And maybe a second part of that is you
can say we can uh add this to the next

1837
02:30:24,399 --> 02:30:30,680
ordinance meeting for discussion.
and make smooth.

1838
02:30:46,479 --> 02:30:54,880
» Okay. So, there's a
motion in front of you.

1839
02:30:51,120 --> 02:30:57,760
» Sorry, apologies.
That maybe

1840
02:30:58,080 --> 02:31:01,240
That balance

1841
02:31:13,840 --> 02:31:20,920
add what to
concern

1842
02:31:21,840 --> 02:31:28,920
» she discussions
>> discussions

1843
02:31:25,280 --> 02:31:28,920
Just another one.

1844
02:31:48,160 --> 02:31:54,680
It is section 546
just

1845
02:31:56,160 --> 02:32:02,560
next or meeting that's today and I will
put it for future

1846
02:32:01,280 --> 02:32:05,800
» safe to assume you're not going to have
it today

1847
02:32:08,240 --> 02:32:12,840
Just
unsightly

1848
02:32:13,425 --> 02:32:15,444
[clears throat]

1849
02:32:32,800 --> 02:32:35,680
here.

1850
02:32:36,560 --> 02:32:42,040
Any other discussion?
All in favor?

1851
02:32:43,520 --> 02:32:55,280
Any last addition is item two?
Council wish to extend

1852
02:32:51,760 --> 02:32:59,080
flowers to former mayor Greg Grrop Tom
and the loss of his wife.

1853
02:33:01,520 --> 02:33:06,359
We worked together with Greg for 32
years

1854
02:33:08,479 --> 02:33:13,560
of the community for
>> a few decades.

1855
02:33:23,040 --> 02:33:27,479
» What are your thoughts?
>> Yes.

1856
02:33:28,640 --> 02:33:33,600
this gesture probably talking 50 bucks
or whatever.

1857
02:33:34,399 --> 02:33:38,280
any concerns anybody

1858
02:33:39,359 --> 02:33:42,920
but also

1859
02:33:45,040 --> 02:33:50,680
with
>> sorry

1860
02:33:58,560 --> 02:34:06,080
brother.
>> Yes. All in favor?

1861
02:34:03,200 --> 02:34:15,399
Let's get through the C report before
lunch item 6.1.2.

1862
02:34:11,040 --> 02:34:15,399
» So I attended ICF meeting

1863
02:34:17,520 --> 02:34:20,680
over here

1864
02:34:23,680 --> 02:34:27,399
at the Manning Road.

1865
02:34:30,560 --> 02:34:37,359
And I want to congratulate Charles. You
did a good chili there. I don't know if

1866
02:34:34,479 --> 02:34:43,040
you guys tasted it, but
not bad at all. Next year we can have a

1867
02:34:41,359 --> 02:34:48,200
internal cook off first and then
whoever's the winner is going to be

1868
02:34:44,399 --> 02:34:48,200
representing the county.

1869
02:34:50,627 --> 02:34:57,600
[clears throat]
>> Yeah.

1870
02:34:54,080 --> 02:35:03,200
uh met a few times with Brownley for
legal issues.

1871
02:34:59,920 --> 02:35:08,640
We had the special council meeting.
Uh I attended the AGM for the Chamber of

1872
02:35:07,120 --> 02:35:15,680
Commerce.
Uh they were actually very in agreement

1873
02:35:13,359 --> 02:35:19,359
with me on my suggestions. Maybe they
should look at hosting the small

1874
02:35:17,760 --> 02:35:22,720
business awards as well as the trade
show.

1875
02:35:20,960 --> 02:35:27,439
Small business awards not for this year.
It's just to to short a notice or for

1876
02:35:25,600 --> 02:35:33,439
them to take that on but maybe in future
they will obviously with some help from

1877
02:35:30,560 --> 02:35:38,080
us but definitely will investigate
taking that part over and the trade show

1878
02:35:36,399 --> 02:35:43,120
there was some conversation about the
trade show that's sort of falling on the

1879
02:35:40,880 --> 02:35:49,359
same time as the one that's on fair so
most of the big ad companies are already

1880
02:35:46,640 --> 02:35:54,640
committed to sponsoring
so if we look at alternating the years

1881
02:35:52,399 --> 02:36:03,680
we could potentially get some some
bigger exposure or or more funding if I

1882
02:36:00,399 --> 02:36:10,399
can from from some of those is what they
recommend we we investigate.

1883
02:36:06,800 --> 02:36:17,520
Uh I attended the heritage tractor
parade. That was interesting. Wow. So

1884
02:36:14,240 --> 02:36:21,680
» it's amazing that everything still runs.
>> They work on it hard. I think they

1885
02:36:19,520 --> 02:36:24,960
» It is amazing. And um I I was really
surprised at how quiet that steam

1886
02:36:23,200 --> 02:36:29,920
engine, but I was expecting a lot of
huffing and puffing, but it was actually

1887
02:36:26,640 --> 02:36:33,920
very quiet.
Rodney and I met a few times about the

1888
02:36:31,840 --> 02:36:40,560
fire services.
Some interesting comments on Facebook is

1889
02:36:36,160 --> 02:36:43,760
what I've been shown. But uh I think uh
some of the items that we already

1890
02:36:42,080 --> 02:36:49,200
discussed is some of the capital items
that we really need to add for next year

1891
02:36:46,960 --> 02:36:57,840
uh like radios
and stuff like that. Um we did the bary

1892
02:36:53,120 --> 02:37:04,080
applications for evaluations of them and
then some upcoming meetings

1893
02:37:00,880 --> 02:37:07,120
questions there.
Good.

1894
02:37:05,840 --> 02:37:11,200
Any questions?
>> Wednesday the 20 June 24th. Do you mean

1895
02:37:09,359 --> 02:37:15,720
August?
>> June. Yeah,

1896
02:37:12,479 --> 02:37:15,720
» it's constant

1897
02:37:15,760 --> 02:37:19,920
kind of late.
>> I should actually have taken that one

1898
02:37:18,319 --> 02:37:24,000
out.
>> It happened on that day.

1899
02:37:22,880 --> 02:37:29,520
» Cut.
>> Yeah.

1900
02:37:26,560 --> 02:37:33,600
» Okay. If there was no questions for a
motion to accept the single report for

1901
02:37:31,280 --> 02:37:39,040
information.
All in favor? carried. Do we want to uh

1902
02:37:37,280 --> 02:37:43,600
break for lunch now before we beat the
rush up? Depending on where we go, I

1903
02:37:40,800 --> 02:37:47,840
guess. Can we go to Grims again or what
are our choices? Okay.

1904
02:37:46,240 --> 02:37:50,240
» Perhaps quickest.
>> Okay.

1905
02:37:48,560 --> 02:37:58,399
» Perhaps that be the quickest
>> quickest and broad. So, so if we go now,

1906
02:37:55,680 --> 02:38:02,479
then we might be progressing. It usually
is pretty busy there. We got a little

1907
02:38:00,880 --> 02:38:06,000
bit to go through on the agenda. Then we
got to move the end of the ordinance

1908
02:38:03,680 --> 02:38:06,000
meeting.

1909
02:38:06,479 --> 02:38:09,960
What is that song?

1910
02:38:14,560 --> 02:38:18,040
» What would you do?

1911
02:38:18,560 --> 02:38:23,800
» So, Terry, we're going to recess the
meeting then.

1912
02:38:20,800 --> 02:38:23,800
» Yes.

1913
02:38:28,240 --> 02:38:31,640
You can go

1914
02:38:32,160 --> 02:38:38,880
work.
Now move down the bottom of page one of

1915
02:38:36,479 --> 02:38:43,359
the agenda 6.1.5
the most exciting part of the agenda

1916
02:38:41,280 --> 02:38:47,960
finance.
>> I know you sounded borderline sarcastic.

1917
02:38:49,840 --> 02:38:55,280
» So I've got a couple of things that I'll
have to just add verbally as well. Um

1918
02:38:53,439 --> 02:38:59,040
starting with changing the first one. So
you asked earlier about the assessment

1919
02:38:56,800 --> 02:39:05,200
appeal that was all scheduled to go
ahead. I'm happy to report that actually

1920
02:39:01,280 --> 02:39:10,560
settled before the hearing. So um
>> uh so what that means in plain language

1921
02:39:07,600 --> 02:39:14,479
is assessor and the helenith come to an
agreement. Uh there's a revised

1922
02:39:12,880 --> 02:39:19,760
assessment and revised notice that will
be issued and we've refunded his uh his

1923
02:39:17,920 --> 02:39:26,240
uh application.
So no need to worry about that anymore.

1924
02:39:23,040 --> 02:39:30,080
Um then just an update. It's been a
while now, but uh just so council is

1925
02:39:28,399 --> 02:39:34,479
aware in case you hear from anybody, we
did have issues with our tax auto

1926
02:39:32,000 --> 02:39:39,280
payment withdrawals this month. Um so by
the time we got done, it was 5 days

1927
02:39:36,319 --> 02:39:46,319
later than advertised. Uh everything has
been mitigated or fixed, I guess, there

1928
02:39:42,640 --> 02:39:50,160
and don't expect that to happen again.
Uh we did I did take a couple phone

1929
02:39:48,479 --> 02:39:53,200
calls though just when people noticed.
So I wanted to make sure you guys were

1930
02:39:51,680 --> 02:39:59,280
aware and that we were aware and then
it's been fixed.

1931
02:39:55,920 --> 02:40:03,840
Um then I have this is strategic plan
review. So thank you guys for again for

1932
02:40:02,080 --> 02:40:10,399
your participation in that. Seems that
my to-do list from there is growing and

1933
02:40:05,920 --> 02:40:15,840
we'll continue after we meet again. Um
couple things to add now that happened

1934
02:40:13,520 --> 02:40:21,200
while I was on holidays or the first day
back actually. One was the change to the

1935
02:40:17,920 --> 02:40:27,840
assessment appeal. The other one, the uh
rural renewal stream program is it was

1936
02:40:24,640 --> 02:40:32,319
actually a a finite time that we were
signed up as a designated community. So

1937
02:40:30,080 --> 02:40:37,920
that expires here I don't know the exact
date but in the coming future. So I've

1938
02:40:34,720 --> 02:40:42,720
been asked to either respond with our
interest to continue for a period of two

1939
02:40:40,080 --> 02:40:47,680
years or indicate that we are not
willing to continue and just let it

1940
02:40:44,479 --> 02:40:54,080
lapse. Um I just wanted to get council's
opinion on that. I continue to get

1941
02:40:49,760 --> 02:40:59,439
requests for letters. Um I've spoke with
uh April CEO for the town. They don't

1942
02:40:56,560 --> 02:41:03,920
meet until the end of August. Um but she
assured me that she doesn't see any

1943
02:41:01,280 --> 02:41:08,240
reason why they would want to withdraw.
I guess that's because we're partnered

1944
02:41:05,600 --> 02:41:11,840
with the town of Manning in this. Um it
remains in the same state that it is. So

1945
02:41:10,160 --> 02:41:17,120
we write a letter, we sit there, it
waits and it goes from there. The

1946
02:41:15,040 --> 02:41:22,160
province did change slightly what they
are doing. So they are now advising us

1947
02:41:19,680 --> 02:41:26,479
how the people from our endorsements
that we've provided have been selected.

1948
02:41:24,240 --> 02:41:31,680
Um so I believe we currently sit at 15
of the 17 that we were allocated for the

1949
02:41:29,280 --> 02:41:39,359
year that have actually been put through
the rest of the process that is outside

1950
02:41:33,920 --> 02:41:47,439
of my handset which is good. Um and uh
so fast food places um

1951
02:41:44,240 --> 02:41:53,840
convenience stores the mill actually has
had quite a few uh think four now or

1952
02:41:50,880 --> 02:41:59,680
maybe five even. So, um it remains
popular and in the way that I'm treating

1953
02:41:56,160 --> 02:42:04,399
it, it's not too bad. Uh so, what all I
need from you guys is just uh I guess

1954
02:42:02,479 --> 02:42:09,680
maybe a motion to continue if that's
what you would like to do or if there's

1955
02:42:05,760 --> 02:42:14,479
any concerns we can
>> I think it's I mean, as much as it's

1956
02:42:12,240 --> 02:42:20,880
extra in each view, it's it's valuable.
I think that uh as we see rural areas,

1957
02:42:18,640 --> 02:42:25,920
you know, declining and we need that
workforce, this is just another stepping

1958
02:42:23,920 --> 02:42:30,880
stone for them. And yeah,
>> and I will say the people that uh that

1959
02:42:28,640 --> 02:42:35,680
have actually gone through. So I I know
a few of them now that have remained in

1960
02:42:33,680 --> 02:42:41,120
touch with me. Um so it's kind of some
happy stories. So uh two people now that

1961
02:42:38,479 --> 02:42:45,359
are full-time employees at the mill that
are very very thankful for it. Um the

1962
02:42:43,680 --> 02:42:49,040
teacher at the outer colony actually
went through this as well. So very good.

1963
02:42:47,120 --> 02:42:54,080
And then another gentleman that works
for daycare and out of school care. So

1964
02:42:51,920 --> 02:42:57,520
they're all very happy with how it
worked and that they were given an

1965
02:42:55,520 --> 02:43:02,000
opportunity to come here. So
>> any from the farming community?

1966
02:42:59,280 --> 02:43:09,680
» Um
two maybe three. Um but I haven't been

1967
02:43:07,439 --> 02:43:14,240
in touch with them since the followup.
like these guys reach out to me and I

1968
02:43:11,520 --> 02:43:19,760
see them all the time. We had a farm two
farm families up in Keg River that that

1969
02:43:17,280 --> 02:43:24,640
um had a candidate that got a letter but
I don't know where they're at. And then

1970
02:43:21,120 --> 02:43:29,760
another one I believe in Gary's board.
Um same kind of thing. So

1971
02:43:27,840 --> 02:43:34,640
yeah, not as broadly used there. It
tends to be focused on your grocery

1972
02:43:32,560 --> 02:43:40,240
stores, your fast food stores, your
convenience stores, that kind of thing.

1973
02:43:38,160 --> 02:43:47,680
Uh so yeah, just looking to add that
motion if we can. starting to do that to

1974
02:43:42,080 --> 02:43:53,399
us. But if council is in a
stream

1975
02:43:49,520 --> 02:43:53,399
uh community designation

1976
02:43:58,000 --> 02:44:03,520
and then the other ongoing projects has
been kind of just a copy and paste

1977
02:44:01,439 --> 02:44:09,160
because I on there so that I don't
forget and that you don't forget that

1978
02:44:04,800 --> 02:44:09,160
I'm working on them when time permits.

1979
02:44:09,279 --> 02:44:16,479
So they're there just for
a teaser, I guess, of what's to come.

1980
02:44:14,800 --> 02:44:22,000
No change to the reckoning culture
policy. We have any luck.

1981
02:44:18,640 --> 02:44:25,439
» An expectation maybe.
>> It's something that needs to happen,

1982
02:44:23,359 --> 02:44:29,680
though. So, we're going to keep trying.
Um, we were kind of told after harvest

1983
02:44:27,439 --> 02:44:33,439
it might be a better time. So, in all
honesty, I miss press the pause on that

1984
02:44:31,600 --> 02:44:36,800
until we get
>> to September. I guess middle of

1985
02:44:35,120 --> 02:44:40,960
September.
>> We have to discuss that because there's

1986
02:44:38,800 --> 02:44:44,399
never a good time, right, to seating
time, springing time, it's vacation

1987
02:44:42,319 --> 02:44:47,200
time, it's harvest time, and then it's
Christmas time. You know,

1988
02:44:45,600 --> 02:44:52,960
» we're trying to get both the boards
together at the same time.

1989
02:44:49,359 --> 02:44:57,120
» Um or just all the members from each
fine because they may be here

1990
02:44:54,399 --> 02:45:01,840
regardless. I'll do two meetings. That
doesn't really matter. Um it'd be good

1991
02:44:59,200 --> 02:45:05,439
to have them all together at one just so
they can cross talk.

1992
02:45:03,600 --> 02:45:09,439
» Happy to do it virtually. We've extended
that invite as well. It doesn't need to

1993
02:45:07,040 --> 02:45:13,439
be in person, but
the funds get dispersed

1994
02:45:11,279 --> 02:45:16,319
» uh in conjunction with their year ends.
So

1995
02:45:15,120 --> 02:45:19,920
» and they're both different, right?
>> Yeah.

1996
02:45:18,160 --> 02:45:25,680
» So they they have to complete their
fiscal year, do their application as um

1997
02:45:23,680 --> 02:45:31,439
it requires their financial statements,
their list of donations they've made and

1998
02:45:27,760 --> 02:45:36,080
proof of filing their actual return. So
usually it's one to three months after

1999
02:45:33,920 --> 02:45:41,040
their year end. One is August and the
other one was

2000
02:45:38,399 --> 02:45:44,000
» No, that's fine. That just
>> maybe that should be contingent on

2001
02:45:43,040 --> 02:45:48,160
» Yeah.
>> contingency is the same.

2002
02:45:46,399 --> 02:45:51,600
» Meeting us.
>> Well, making it the same would be very

2003
02:45:50,080 --> 02:45:55,459
hard. We'll just
>> meeting us.

2004
02:45:52,319 --> 02:45:57,479
» Oh, yeah.
[laughter]

2005
02:45:58,160 --> 02:46:04,399
» So, I don't know. We
want to bring you We'll maybe just give

2006
02:46:02,960 --> 02:46:07,359
them till fall. see if we can't make
something work and if we go through

2007
02:46:05,680 --> 02:46:12,479
another year end where we haven't made
any progress maybe we'll put that change

2008
02:46:09,760 --> 02:46:17,920
through and go from there
>> or just maybe verbally warn them that

2009
02:46:14,640 --> 02:46:21,680
might be coming and see if that's
>> good with you.

2010
02:46:20,080 --> 02:46:26,960
» Uh yeah, other than that if there's any
questions but I mean I was gone for two

2011
02:46:23,760 --> 02:46:26,960
weeks out of the office here.

2012
02:46:27,680 --> 02:46:34,399
So if there is no questions, we'll get a
motion to accept the director of finance

2013
02:46:31,520 --> 02:46:39,359
update and uh we can roll in the same
motion continue with the renewal.

2014
02:46:37,279 --> 02:46:46,279
» Doesn't matter
>> if if council is still got a desire.

2015
02:46:42,800 --> 02:46:46,279
» You make that motion.

2016
02:46:57,359 --> 02:47:06,319
She's already got it in there.
>> Okay. Any questions? All in favor?

2017
02:47:03,840 --> 02:47:11,520
It's carried. Okay. Year to date budget
or report.

2018
02:47:07,840 --> 02:47:15,840
» Yeah. Um, so once again, comments are
kind of put on the on the main page. A

2019
02:47:14,160 --> 02:47:20,319
lot of these are just carried forward
from previous uh disclosures to you

2020
02:47:19,439 --> 02:47:25,200
guys.
Um, as I mentioned just the the first

2021
02:47:22,880 --> 02:47:29,680
one I brought there last meeting was
quite detailed. So it was like 80 pages

2022
02:47:27,359 --> 02:47:34,800
long. I dialed this one back just to the
department level. So what that does, it

2023
02:47:33,120 --> 02:47:40,000
makes it shorter for the agenda. It
still has ultimately all the same

2024
02:47:37,120 --> 02:47:46,560
information, just not as specific. Um,
but the comments I did try and keep uh

2025
02:47:42,880 --> 02:47:51,439
as specific as I could. Um, so I'm just
trying to think. I don't think there was

2026
02:47:48,319 --> 02:47:56,520
a whole lot that changed between this
one and the last one. Um,

2027
02:47:57,040 --> 02:48:04,240
but I am happy to take questions I
guess.

2028
02:48:02,160 --> 02:48:08,800
Um, or if you want me to go through
them, I can.

2029
02:48:06,560 --> 02:48:13,080
» The water
>> the which sorry

2030
02:48:09,680 --> 02:48:13,080
» the water leak.

2031
02:48:14,976 --> 02:48:18,160
[clears throat]
>> Um, yeah. So Charles can probably speak

2032
02:48:17,200 --> 02:48:25,520
a little more to that, but that was
>> Yeah. So it was not actually water.

2033
02:48:21,040 --> 02:48:34,240
It was a septic issue with our shop.
There was a break in the line. The whole

2034
02:48:28,800 --> 02:48:40,800
schmuzzle uh kept freezing off. Uh the
solution from the first contractor was

2035
02:48:38,319 --> 02:48:45,200
well just replace the pump.
And that did not work.

2036
02:48:43,760 --> 02:48:52,000
Come to find out there was a bit of
breaking line froze off. We had to put a

2037
02:48:47,760 --> 02:48:57,552
whole new line from the shop to the CC
stream.

2038
02:48:54,880 --> 02:49:00,479
» Yeah, aging work structure maybe quite
[clears throat] a while ago. I think

2039
02:48:58,479 --> 02:49:04,960
that was May but
>> uh

2040
02:49:02,080 --> 02:49:07,359
a little earlier
but often [clears throat] times with

2041
02:49:05,920 --> 02:49:10,760
billing the bills fall over a little
while later.

2042
02:49:13,040 --> 02:49:18,960
Yeah, other than that, I don't think
there's a whole new block that has

2043
02:49:17,359 --> 02:49:24,640
changed since the last time, which is
normal. We're kind of just on the latter

2044
02:49:22,640 --> 02:49:29,439
half of the busiest month. So, the bills
for all of the things that happen during

2045
02:49:26,240 --> 02:49:36,000
these busy times kind of come now and in
the next month or so. So in your summary

2046
02:49:32,640 --> 02:49:41,760
Josh at the end there the varants is
that are those still to be paid or they

2047
02:49:40,319 --> 02:49:48,800
like I just looking at the Manning
capital uh 15,000 varants was that just

2048
02:49:46,080 --> 02:49:54,399
kind of a contingency or was that
>> um yeah that so that specific item was

2049
02:49:52,720 --> 02:50:00,800
it's always kind of based on things that
they think they're going to do but

2050
02:49:56,240 --> 02:50:06,080
aren't necessarily 100% committed from
So that's what we've paid so far. Um

2051
02:50:04,479 --> 02:50:08,880
whether or not the remainder will
happen, I don't know.

2052
02:50:07,040 --> 02:50:13,359
» Just on that capital one specifically,
remember there was a wall that well that

2053
02:50:11,520 --> 02:50:17,760
and there was also the windows in the
star center that we eventually replaced

2054
02:50:15,680 --> 02:50:21,760
as part of the other grant.
>> Yeah, that might have actually been 15.

2055
02:50:20,240 --> 02:50:25,120
I don't remember off.
>> That's fair enough.

2056
02:50:22,560 --> 02:50:29,840
» Yeah. Um the other one, so Peace River
ICF, um that was late this year

2057
02:50:27,920 --> 02:50:36,720
actually. So, that's half of it. As you
can see, that will be over budget. Um,

2058
02:50:33,760 --> 02:50:40,080
again, it's one of those ones that's
kind of tough to budget because we're

2059
02:50:38,240 --> 02:50:45,520
delayed with some year ends in the
timing of it. Um, and then they've had a

2060
02:50:42,720 --> 02:50:50,479
quite a significant change in staffing.
So, the lady who's looking after this

2061
02:50:48,319 --> 02:50:54,080
right now, this was never her job to do.
So, um, she got us the information and

2062
02:50:52,640 --> 02:50:57,920
then I had to follow up and get a
release a month later and go, "Was I to

2063
02:50:56,240 --> 02:51:00,880
pay you on that or were you sending an
invoice?" And she's like, "Oh, yeah.

2064
02:50:59,279 --> 02:51:07,439
Just haven't had time." So, they finally
got the invoice sent.

2065
02:51:03,760 --> 02:51:11,200
Um, and burseries obviously as of now,
we physically gave the check to the

2066
02:51:09,920 --> 02:51:18,160
other one. So, those will be there in
your next report. Um, miscellaneous

2067
02:51:14,880 --> 02:51:22,000
grants hadn't changed until today,
obviously.

2068
02:51:19,680 --> 02:51:28,080
So the supplies from earlier are already
ordered. So that'll be impacted in your

2069
02:51:24,880 --> 02:51:34,720
next one as well.
>> Okay. Any other questions?

2070
02:51:31,439 --> 02:51:40,479
Not a motion to accept the budget
variance report was information.

2071
02:51:37,920 --> 02:51:45,760
All in favor?
And then the July

2072
02:51:43,279 --> 02:51:50,000
26 payment registry.
>> Yeah. So, as always, I guess just here

2073
02:51:47,680 --> 02:51:55,880
for your
acceptance unless you have any questions

2074
02:51:52,000 --> 02:51:55,880
or required clarification.

2075
02:51:59,040 --> 02:52:06,120
I saw
happy to address it if there is anything

2076
02:52:02,640 --> 02:52:06,120
that jumps out.

2077
02:52:13,439 --> 02:52:22,600
M see a motion to
accept the payment registry payment

2078
02:52:19,040 --> 02:52:22,600
registry information.

2079
02:52:27,520 --> 02:52:34,080
Thanks Josh. Yes, you're very welcome.
>> Uh and then just a quick update I guess

2080
02:52:32,479 --> 02:52:38,160
but uh bank Rex we're a little bit
behind on now. I still haven't got

2081
02:52:36,399 --> 02:52:42,479
notification where to apply that last
mortgage payment for two. Um, we'll

2082
02:52:40,479 --> 02:52:46,479
probably just
allocate that to suspense or something

2083
02:52:44,240 --> 02:52:51,680
so we can carry on and keep that
unapplied to uh tax accounts, but

2084
02:52:49,840 --> 02:52:55,600
getting tired of letting that hold us
up. We're two months behind now and I

2085
02:52:53,439 --> 02:53:01,040
don't like that. So,
>> so fill the agenda up with next meeting.

2086
02:52:57,920 --> 02:53:08,479
» Yeah, those are easy ones.
>> All right, page two, 6.3.1, item B is

2087
02:53:05,279 --> 02:53:15,040
the director public works report.
Yes, I'm sure. So, as I'm sure a lot of

2088
02:53:11,840 --> 02:53:21,040
you are aware of the rain, it's put a
damper on a lot of things. Um, one being

2089
02:53:17,680 --> 02:53:26,960
the gravel hole. Uh, we were expecting
to be completed up in Hawk Hills by the

2090
02:53:23,600 --> 02:53:34,160
end of this week, likely going to be end
of next week. Now, just obviously read

2091
02:53:30,560 --> 02:53:40,640
the least. Well, that everything's been
going on wood very well. Um, this year

2092
02:53:38,560 --> 02:53:46,560
we've actually received more compliments
than complaints. So, A++ on that aspect.

2093
02:53:45,040 --> 02:53:52,240
» Is that gravel all coming out of Sunny
Valley or is it the SC?

2094
02:53:48,479 --> 02:53:57,279
» Yeah. No, it's coming out of Sun Valley.
Uh, Weberville backup generator. Just as

2095
02:53:55,040 --> 02:54:04,080
a bit of an update on this because it's
kind of a long drawn out project.

2096
02:54:00,640 --> 02:54:08,319
Um they started in the spring, got all
the building wiring done, uh did the

2097
02:54:06,560 --> 02:54:16,960
underground wiring and they completed
the pad that the generator will sit on.

2098
02:54:12,560 --> 02:54:21,120
Uh airport crack sealing is
probably going to be a little bit after

2099
02:54:19,200 --> 02:54:25,600
mid August because he's also
experiencing grain delays in other parts

2100
02:54:23,600 --> 02:54:35,120
he's in.
Not a fun time, but uh

2101
02:54:29,439 --> 02:54:40,399
soon hope. Uh we also received our
assessments for the two bridge wash outs

2102
02:54:37,439 --> 02:54:46,399
that we are applying through park for
funding for

2103
02:54:42,479 --> 02:54:52,800
and that we're waiting to hear back from
them. I believe the last email was seen

2104
02:54:50,240 --> 02:54:57,359
then the next grand of this month,
>> November 8.

2105
02:54:55,279 --> 02:55:02,479
And one other thing that I'm just going
to throw in here real quick because it

2106
02:54:59,600 --> 02:55:07,920
happened this morning. Um, so there's a
power blip for some reason that affected

2107
02:55:06,479 --> 02:55:13,840
me nanning all the way down to
Dixonville. Uh, there was a loss of

2108
02:55:10,960 --> 02:55:21,680
pressure in Dixonville. One of the pumps
didn't kick on. Don't know what. Yes, it

2109
02:55:16,399 --> 02:55:27,920
was reported. Um, and so they had to do
some flushing down there. Dixonville

2110
02:55:23,920 --> 02:55:34,479
hamlet lost water for a couple hours.
Wasn't anything substantial, but

2111
02:55:31,439 --> 02:55:38,240
should be good to go now. As far as I
know, residents have water back. So,

2112
02:55:36,720 --> 02:55:43,680
» yeah, maybe some comments on that. So,
we we did get a notification from from

2113
02:55:41,840 --> 02:55:47,600
the environment
>> and we not talked about that. I just

2114
02:55:45,279 --> 02:55:53,920
want to I want to talk about it because
what we probably need that we'll bring

2115
02:55:50,000 --> 02:55:58,399
to the the budget meeting is to put
backup generators in all our pump

2116
02:55:56,080 --> 02:56:02,000
stations and
>> bill does.

2117
02:55:59,920 --> 02:56:07,040
» Yeah, but it's not just Dixon. There's
also the one

2118
02:56:05,359 --> 02:56:11,120
» the one that was on Josh's line for
example. I don't know what different

2119
02:56:08,800 --> 02:56:17,439
that's let's talk about that not in here
please. Yeah, we need to get to add it

2120
02:56:13,680 --> 02:56:22,040
to the agenda some capital items for
budget.

2121
02:56:17,840 --> 02:56:22,040
» What you need there is body capital.

2122
02:56:24,319 --> 02:56:28,080
Um
>> that's it for well for this report

2123
02:56:27,439 --> 02:56:32,080
anyway.
>> So I'm also not on your report but just

2124
02:56:30,160 --> 02:56:34,800
any comments on the presentation we had
this morning about grant writing like

2125
02:56:33,520 --> 02:56:39,439
for tip and for
>> Oh for sure. Yeah. I can touch on that a

2126
02:56:37,760 --> 02:56:46,040
bit because I see it as more in-depth
presentation at

2127
02:56:42,240 --> 02:56:46,040
uh water north.

2128
02:56:46,537 --> 02:56:54,880
[laughter]
Um it [clears throat] seems decent for

2129
02:56:51,840 --> 02:57:00,960
what he's offering. I mean, at the end
of the day, if he's well, if the company

2130
02:56:58,319 --> 02:57:07,760
is willing to
for some of these grants do well, you're

2131
02:57:04,800 --> 02:57:14,240
successful, we'll take our 500 bucks. If
you get $10,000,

2132
02:57:11,120 --> 02:57:19,920
my eyes are worth it. um depending on
what the grant is for. Obviously, you're

2133
02:57:16,160 --> 02:57:25,120
not just going to go right around and
apply for solar panels on and everything

2134
02:57:23,520 --> 02:57:31,120
and
right like it needs to make sense for

2135
02:57:28,000 --> 02:57:38,399
the municipality. Um
I think it's worth administration

2136
02:57:33,600 --> 02:57:43,040
digging into a little more in depth but
just kind of wanted him to have a chat

2137
02:57:40,720 --> 02:57:51,520
with you guys and see if there is any
appetite for service like that. I know

2138
02:57:47,200 --> 02:57:55,760
stepwise for the bridge um I did I
haven't talked to him any further uh

2139
02:57:54,160 --> 02:58:03,120
separate like our current bridge
engineers offered to do it for $700. So

2140
02:57:59,680 --> 02:58:09,840
that's $700 that yeah sure they'll do
our step application for us

2141
02:58:07,200 --> 02:58:16,640
but they're not guaranteeing anything
right. Neither are these guys, but

2142
02:58:13,840 --> 02:58:23,920
they have their finger on the pulse of
grants a little more than what Josh or I

2143
02:58:19,200 --> 02:58:29,520
do. And that's that's the big perk with
the Michael this morning is that's what

2144
02:58:26,960 --> 02:58:35,120
they're doing. They're talking to the
administrators of these grants at the

2145
02:58:32,479 --> 02:58:40,000
federal level, provincial level, and
they know what

2146
02:58:37,840 --> 02:58:42,880
they're looking for. like you said,
>> them together,

2147
02:58:41,040 --> 02:58:49,200
» which is something I would
>> for sure. And I I mean, I'm I'm curious

2148
02:58:46,000 --> 02:58:54,000
if there's if there's anything for, for
example, you want to expand distribution

2149
02:58:52,000 --> 02:58:59,439
systems. Is there anything in there to
do an engineering study as to where and

2150
02:58:57,040 --> 02:59:05,920
what it would cost? What's what's a
approximate construction cost right as

2151
02:59:02,640 --> 02:59:08,800
of right now?
I think in 2027 I was reading that

2152
02:59:07,760 --> 02:59:12,160
they're going to bring back some of the
water for life stuff. So that might be

2153
02:59:10,560 --> 02:59:14,880
an opportunity to have a good grant
writer if they're going to reopen that

2154
02:59:13,439 --> 02:59:17,200
up in 2027.
>> Yeah.

2155
02:59:15,200 --> 02:59:22,080
» To look at doing some expansions and
things like that.

2156
02:59:17,760 --> 02:59:26,720
» For sure. Cuz I mean and
for for myself, I mean, I I do our STP

2157
02:59:24,800 --> 02:59:32,800
applications off the side of my desk and
Yeah, sure. I could fill out a form and

2158
02:59:29,520 --> 02:59:38,399
put all the information together, but
maybe there's and I we all know it's

2159
02:59:36,560 --> 02:59:44,000
over subscribed.
Um, and I've I've preached this, so I'm

2160
02:59:41,760 --> 02:59:49,840
not going to get up on the soap box, but
the the rating system and the current

2161
02:59:46,880 --> 02:59:55,200
rating of that blue bridge, for example,
is in my and other engineers. Well, I

2162
02:59:54,080 --> 03:00:00,399
shouldn't say other engineers because
I'm not an engineer, but in engineers

2163
02:59:58,000 --> 03:00:06,720
opinions is not
overly accurate when you look at all of

2164
03:00:03,439 --> 03:00:12,399
the information as a whole.
Then you go and you look at what this uh

2165
03:00:10,399 --> 03:00:18,000
structural percentage rating is, which
is what they are basing a lot of where

2166
03:00:15,200 --> 03:00:20,880
they're sending this money.
>> So you're saying

2167
03:00:19,359 --> 03:00:24,399
» it's actually worse than what they're
saying the rating is.

2168
03:00:22,080 --> 03:00:28,160
» For sure. That's why it's not
>> getting approved.

2169
03:00:25,600 --> 03:00:31,520
» Yeah. Like it's we trying.
>> So maybe these guys have a better angle

2170
03:00:30,479 --> 03:00:38,560
on that than Right.
>> 100%. Like and that's that's where I

2171
03:00:33,760 --> 03:00:45,920
think this would be beneficial and the
what um the assistance from these guys

2172
03:00:43,120 --> 03:00:52,720
that are doing for example our our
engineers go and throw together an

2173
03:00:48,720 --> 03:00:57,680
application for us for 700 bucks.
and and they are doing this for other

2174
03:00:55,359 --> 03:00:59,359
municipalities that are potentially
getting

2175
03:00:58,319 --> 03:01:07,120
» competing with them,
>> right? Like I mean I I look at where the

2176
03:01:04,080 --> 03:01:13,439
money is going and I it's a broken
system as as a whole in my opinion, but

2177
03:01:11,840 --> 03:01:16,399
I'm going to get up on my soap box. So
like there's all

2178
03:01:15,200 --> 03:01:19,279
» Yeah, I was just going to say and I
think there's like a reputation piece

2179
03:01:17,840 --> 03:01:22,479
like I think that they look at it and
they go that way because some of some of

2180
03:01:21,040 --> 03:01:25,760
the ones like I know like Green View for
example they use associated engineering

2181
03:01:24,319 --> 03:01:29,359
to do their grant writing and they seem
to consistently get st grants like and

2182
03:01:28,080 --> 03:01:32,640
maybe it's just lucky maybe their
bridges are further like so don't quote

2183
03:01:31,279 --> 03:01:36,000
me on it's just because they're using
somebody else to write their grant but

2184
03:01:34,080 --> 03:01:38,640
like I mean we're really up against it.
We got some seriously aging

2185
03:01:37,120 --> 03:01:42,880
infrastructure and if it's worth a
gamble to have somebody else write it

2186
03:01:40,479 --> 03:01:45,760
then why not right? I I'd like to see it
come back on a council agenda and if we

2187
03:01:44,319 --> 03:01:49,279
could get a copy of the slides. I know
he said he sent them but then we could

2188
03:01:47,439 --> 03:01:54,640
read through them because he was pretty
rushed which I think highlights our

2189
03:01:51,279 --> 03:02:01,200
delegation versus presentation timelines
but we could

2190
03:01:57,040 --> 03:02:05,279
» and you did get the full uh the full uh
picture on his uh analogy about the

2191
03:02:04,080 --> 03:02:09,120
elephants.
>> Yeah.

2192
03:02:06,560 --> 03:02:15,840
» Well, is it it's a little more elaborate
presentation of It actually makes sense.

2193
03:02:13,840 --> 03:02:22,640
» He says his presentation is about an
hour and he did extend if we as if the

2194
03:02:19,520 --> 03:02:25,920
guys at council wanted to have that full
hour, he will be more than happy to come

2195
03:02:24,240 --> 03:02:29,680
back and present the whole the whole
thing.

2196
03:02:26,880 --> 03:02:33,200
» Yeah. I mean something our future
procedural bylaws when we discuss that I

2197
03:02:31,680 --> 03:02:36,720
guess it's allowing more time for
presentations versus delegation.

2198
03:02:34,960 --> 03:02:40,720
» Well yeah I think that we'd have to put
it something like that somewhere else on

2199
03:02:38,399 --> 03:02:44,640
the agenda not as a delegation. Yeah.
And certainly they'll be able to do

2200
03:02:42,160 --> 03:02:47,680
that, right? Can
>> Yeah.

2201
03:02:45,040 --> 03:02:52,960
» Yeah. I think it it the grand scheme
though too, I think this is more of a

2202
03:02:50,240 --> 03:02:58,479
presentation that like this. Yeah. Sure.
Gets gets the information to council as

2203
03:02:55,680 --> 03:03:04,319
a whole. And in the future, like you
said, he's willing to go and have this

2204
03:03:02,080 --> 03:03:08,479
hourlong meeting. Well, whoever's
available, this is the time we're doing

2205
03:03:06,560 --> 03:03:13,200
it. It's going to be a teams meeting and
let's go.

2206
03:03:09,680 --> 03:03:16,479
» Yeah. Are they are they going to also
perhaps be bidding on some of the

2207
03:03:14,800 --> 03:03:21,439
engineering work for those projects
though or will they be disqualified if

2208
03:03:19,120 --> 03:03:25,920
they have this as an advantage is the
only issue I see because the other their

2209
03:03:23,520 --> 03:03:31,840
competitor that they reference there is
not engineers it's just grant writers

2210
03:03:28,080 --> 03:03:35,600
but their fees are quite a bit steeper
place with a engineering company to help

2211
03:03:34,560 --> 03:03:38,880
us with the
>> bridge bridge wise

2212
03:03:37,439 --> 03:03:42,720
» but I mean we're looking beyond just
bridges right I should be looking at all

2213
03:03:41,279 --> 03:03:43,680
sources of
>> Yeah.

2214
03:03:43,040 --> 03:03:47,680
» And [snorts]
some of them aren't even involve

2215
03:03:45,040 --> 03:03:52,319
engineers, right? I mean, if you want
>> may not, right? They could be grants out

2216
03:03:49,520 --> 03:03:55,920
there like these intermunicipal
collaboration grants. There's no

2217
03:03:53,920 --> 03:04:00,720
engineering involved there and they'll
be successful. Yeah. Usually, but these

2218
03:03:58,479 --> 03:04:05,279
guys could certainly elevate our success
rate. Well, and wasn't it ISOL that

2219
03:04:03,600 --> 03:04:07,680
brought forward applying about a green
grant or some kind of green

2220
03:04:06,800 --> 03:04:11,680
» that was the green
>> program whatever. [clears throat] Yeah.

2221
03:04:09,920 --> 03:04:15,359
» So you and you guys did spend money on
that one up to a point but then we just

2222
03:04:14,160 --> 03:04:18,720
arked it.
>> Yeah.

2223
03:04:16,800 --> 03:04:21,680
» Okay. Well, thanks for that job. I think
I think it's worthy that we will follow

2224
03:04:20,800 --> 03:04:28,080
up with it.
>> Oh, I I that's why I kind of brought it

2225
03:04:24,479 --> 03:04:31,920
forward Gar and showed him kind of what
what we had seen. didn't mention

2226
03:04:30,080 --> 03:04:36,240
something about paving the street in
front of the mayor's house. So,

2227
03:04:34,160 --> 03:04:39,560
» so you're looking to get your uh intro
paved there.

2228
03:04:41,359 --> 03:04:46,479
» Yeah.
>> Okay. So, any other questions for

2229
03:04:44,720 --> 03:04:51,640
Charles? If not, we'll get a motion to
accept the DGW report.

2230
03:04:52,720 --> 03:04:59,359
» Second, councelor Reese. All in favor?
Carried.

2231
03:04:57,200 --> 03:05:03,359
And the next item, request for decision
on the same subdivision, the general

2232
03:05:01,200 --> 03:05:05,840
ruling.
>> Back back to you guys again.

2233
03:05:05,120 --> 03:05:10,800
» Yeah.
>> So I I don't know how in depth you want

2234
03:05:08,479 --> 03:05:14,000
me to go back into repeating myself on
what we talked about. Okay, Greg.

2235
03:05:12,240 --> 03:05:17,120
» Well, I think you should.
>> Okay. Well,

2236
03:05:15,200 --> 03:05:22,479
» we're all thinking the same.
>> Yeah. So

2237
03:05:19,279 --> 03:05:26,960
back a while ago there was a subdivision
created. Developer agreement got entered

2238
03:05:24,880 --> 03:05:32,880
into
uh substantial amount of uh conditions

2239
03:05:30,240 --> 03:05:39,439
within that developers agreements were
not followed. Uh we never took ownership

2240
03:05:36,319 --> 03:05:46,800
of the road. The internal roads, they're
in very poor condition right now and

2241
03:05:43,279 --> 03:05:50,800
require about $70,000 worth of
rehabilitation

2242
03:05:48,800 --> 03:05:57,040
and repairs.
Uh council directed us to

2243
03:05:54,479 --> 03:06:03,760
re uh send a letter again to the
developer as well as to the residents.

2244
03:06:00,960 --> 03:06:11,439
As of today, I have not received a
response from anybody.

2245
03:06:07,120 --> 03:06:18,160
Um, now I'm just looking where to go.
What do I do? Do I do I keep grading the

2246
03:06:14,479 --> 03:06:20,720
road? Do I go fix the road? Do I
>> But it's not our road.

2247
03:06:19,120 --> 03:06:23,920
» It's not It's not our road.
>> Oh, then I think we need to just stop

2248
03:06:22,560 --> 03:06:27,520
maintaining the road, change the
labeling in GIS to match accordingly and

2249
03:06:26,880 --> 03:06:32,960
move on.
>> Yeah. So, how can we do that? We we've

2250
03:06:30,240 --> 03:06:39,200
got people living there that we're
taxing and we're not

2251
03:06:37,040 --> 03:06:45,120
» sorry I I don't mean to cut you off Gary
but to that point we also have other

2252
03:06:41,279 --> 03:06:52,800
subdivisions that are in the exact same
sorry there's another subdivision in

2253
03:06:49,040 --> 03:06:57,359
that area that we advised against them
building

2254
03:06:54,479 --> 03:07:01,600
a road in a certain location. They went
ahead and did it. They approach me every

2255
03:06:59,120 --> 03:07:06,319
fall to take the road over and every
fall, well I shouldn't say every fall,

2256
03:07:04,160 --> 03:07:13,040
every other fall, I have to send them a
letter say no as per our previous yada

2257
03:07:09,439 --> 03:07:20,000
yada. But that's a little different.
You're it's it's being looked at now.

2258
03:07:17,040 --> 03:07:27,120
You're dealing with it now. This is like
the cat that come and you start feeding

2259
03:07:22,800 --> 03:07:30,080
it and uh and now it's sort of uh there
and

2260
03:07:28,319 --> 03:07:35,760
you've got to deal with it, you know,
like uh after 14 years,

2261
03:07:34,000 --> 03:07:39,720
it's sort of [clears throat]
>> there's so many animal analogies.

2262
03:07:40,000 --> 03:07:47,160
» Um I I do get your point. Yeah.
>> Um

2263
03:07:48,000 --> 03:07:54,720
I mean, at the end of the day, I I do
what you guys tell me to do.

2264
03:07:51,920 --> 03:08:01,520
» Maybe they will contact him if we don't
do the road. They've got nothing. They

2265
03:07:57,680 --> 03:08:08,560
they've got no hold on him. And the only
thing that uh there'd be a hold is if he

2266
03:08:04,399 --> 03:08:15,279
come and wanted some more u acreages
developed in there that we could, you

2267
03:08:11,120 --> 03:08:21,040
know, hold on them. But these these uh
people that are living there really

2268
03:08:17,520 --> 03:08:27,120
don't have anything to stand on, you
know, like and we've been doing the the

2269
03:08:23,359 --> 03:08:31,760
work for so long that uh I just don't
know where we can sort of drop it

2270
03:08:30,240 --> 03:08:36,319
really, you know, like well I guess
maybe let let me use another analogy

2271
03:08:33,680 --> 03:08:40,560
here. Say you're you're you're you're
have a neighbor and and you the property

2272
03:08:39,200 --> 03:08:44,880
line is not exactly where you thought
and say you've been mowing 20 ft of his

2273
03:08:42,640 --> 03:08:50,240
lawn thinking it's your own lawn and you
find out that actually that's his law.

2274
03:08:46,960 --> 03:08:54,800
You keep mowing it. really
>> that's not really the same thing

2275
03:08:53,200 --> 03:09:03,200
like
you know like I mean they're they're um

2276
03:08:58,720 --> 03:09:08,080
relying on us to to get out and you know
you know like stuff like this you know

2277
03:09:04,880 --> 03:09:13,040
like it's and we are charging them for
living out there

2278
03:09:10,640 --> 03:09:18,800
I just can't see where we have we can
drop it and let them fend for themselves

2279
03:09:17,200 --> 03:09:21,680
» the only thing I'm The road the road
isn't the only service that they're

2280
03:09:20,399 --> 03:09:24,800
taxed or paying.
>> No, but it's part of

2281
03:09:23,040 --> 03:09:27,680
» Oh, for sure. For sure.
>> So,

2282
03:09:25,279 --> 03:09:32,240
» I can just sit all the way around.
>> So, so I agree in principle what you're

2283
03:09:30,479 --> 03:09:35,840
saying, Gary. I I get it, too. I mean,
put yourself in their shoes, right? You

2284
03:09:34,160 --> 03:09:39,760
bought this in good faithless lot,
developed a home there thinking you're

2285
03:09:38,319 --> 03:09:41,120
going to have a road that met county
standards or

2286
03:09:40,720 --> 03:09:46,080
» Yeah.
>> or the sub the developer, right? And it

2287
03:09:44,000 --> 03:09:52,319
didn't. Now, you're stuck there. So
what's the solution though?

2288
03:09:49,359 --> 03:09:56,960
» The developer
developer isn't willing to invest any

2289
03:09:55,600 --> 03:10:00,240
more money in it. Doesn't look like
right. Have you he reached out to since

2290
03:09:59,040 --> 03:10:03,680
the last meeting?
>> Yeah. So I I sent him a letter after our

2291
03:10:03,040 --> 03:10:07,680
last meeting.
>> So he's obviously not interested in

2292
03:10:05,840 --> 03:10:11,520
» and and that's not the first letter he's
received.

2293
03:10:08,160 --> 03:10:15,279
» No. So the the only additional one that
I sent out was to the residents to let

2294
03:10:13,439 --> 03:10:21,760
them know like this is our situation
right now because when we found that out

2295
03:10:18,640 --> 03:10:28,160
we have not gone in there with a greater
>> because at this point and and

2296
03:10:26,080 --> 03:10:33,279
it's you're you're touching roads that
are not yours. Is there the developers

2297
03:10:31,760 --> 03:10:37,880
agreement is that registered on their
individual parcels as well or just

2298
03:10:38,399 --> 03:10:43,520
like
top?

2299
03:10:41,359 --> 03:10:48,399
» Well, two two comments on that. So the
first comment is that if we are going to

2300
03:10:46,399 --> 03:10:52,800
continue grazing those roads, there's
some of the other subdivisions that will

2301
03:10:50,160 --> 03:10:59,359
come after us for example flats and
those type of that we are waiting for a

2302
03:10:56,160 --> 03:11:03,520
a actual sign off on the on the quality
of the roads before we take the roads

2303
03:11:01,120 --> 03:11:08,600
over. And the second part of that is
that um

2304
03:11:05,600 --> 03:11:08,600
um

2305
03:11:09,040 --> 03:11:16,800
second one
but the first one is is quite important.

2306
03:11:13,359 --> 03:11:22,960
We have we have to keep that in mind.
>> Yeah, I know that. And but we can't just

2307
03:11:20,240 --> 03:11:28,080
leave them guys high and dry
>> is my point. you know, like

2308
03:11:24,640 --> 03:11:32,560
» maybe what we can do with them is um do
a local improvement tax on them to bring

2309
03:11:30,319 --> 03:11:37,520
the road up to standard for once and
then take over the road.

2310
03:11:35,840 --> 03:11:41,840
But
>> this is a civil matter. This is a matter

2311
03:11:39,279 --> 03:11:46,399
between that that was my point. It was
this is a civil matter. This is this is

2312
03:11:43,680 --> 03:11:53,279
between the the current owners there and
the developer. We shall not get involved

2313
03:11:48,640 --> 03:12:01,600
with them. Is are we sort of civily or
like is there some sort of a um legal

2314
03:11:59,359 --> 03:12:07,359
thing going between us and the developer
too that or have we just sort of written

2315
03:12:04,960 --> 03:12:11,680
that off that
>> is

2316
03:12:08,560 --> 03:12:17,840
» yeah I well if you look at the agreement
we have in place with them that's just

2317
03:12:14,399 --> 03:12:22,560
after the the RF that's the agreement we
have with developer that will bring the

2318
03:12:19,680 --> 03:12:28,240
road enough to stand it and then we'll
take it over from them.

2319
03:12:26,080 --> 03:12:32,240
» Who will bring up the steps?
>> No no no novel

2320
03:12:30,960 --> 03:12:37,359
like you said we do.
>> No, we

2321
03:12:34,640 --> 03:12:41,760
have the agreement saying between us and
the developer. The other option is is we

2322
03:12:39,600 --> 03:12:47,520
bring it up to standard but that would
be a local improvement tax then that

2323
03:12:43,840 --> 03:12:50,800
they can take and sue the the developer
for. But then at the end of the day,

2324
03:12:49,040 --> 03:12:54,479
that doesn't solve the problem of us
still not owning the road.

2325
03:12:52,640 --> 03:12:57,840
» So, we're doing a local improvement tax
on somebody else's road and fixing it.

2326
03:12:56,800 --> 03:13:01,920
And at the end of the day, we still
don't own the road. The problem is the

2327
03:12:59,600 --> 03:13:05,840
same. My thought is, I know it's not
popular, and I know it's not good, but I

2328
03:13:03,680 --> 03:13:09,600
think we hands off. It's not our road.
>> Um, and then maybe that forces the

2329
03:13:07,840 --> 03:13:13,680
developer hand to have to do something
for the residents because that's on him.

2330
03:13:12,319 --> 03:13:17,760
» And maybe he's just sitting there in his
back pocket thinking, "Oh, there's no

2331
03:13:15,200 --> 03:13:19,760
way the county is going to hold firm. I
don't know that, you know, I have no

2332
03:13:19,120 --> 03:13:22,640
idea what
>> the residents don't have anything to go

2333
03:13:21,120 --> 03:13:25,279
on. You're right. So,
>> and I mean, we've been

2334
03:13:23,600 --> 03:13:32,319
» they need to go after
>> charging them, you know, taxes all along

2335
03:13:29,359 --> 03:13:37,359
and uh,
you know, like they're they're sort of

2336
03:13:33,680 --> 03:13:44,239
looking at us for, you know, some some
part of it. So, I I haven't talked I

2337
03:13:41,520 --> 03:13:47,120
I know one of them personally and I've
known the other one or one of two of

2338
03:13:46,239 --> 03:13:53,200
them.
I've met and uh I don't know if there's

2339
03:13:49,359 --> 03:13:57,760
an appetite for the the tax like that
and what what they

2340
03:13:56,080 --> 03:14:03,040
you know what are the chances of them
getting it

2341
03:14:00,720 --> 03:14:10,239
blood out of the stone or you know like
who knows but uh uh

2342
03:14:08,080 --> 03:14:14,080
» but just be careful once we approve this
one we're going to have kina slats we're

2343
03:14:12,640 --> 03:14:18,880
going to have a lot of them coming after
us for the same

2344
03:14:15,520 --> 03:14:26,399
» deal I mean, but it's it's not that
we're those other ones. They're still in

2345
03:14:22,560 --> 03:14:34,080
the you know, like we've got we're we're
looking at them in the works, but this

2346
03:14:28,880 --> 03:14:41,359
is 14 years past. That's the part that
is a little hard to do. Flats is not

2347
03:14:38,399 --> 03:14:45,040
that far off of this though
>> because it was one that they kept going

2348
03:14:43,279 --> 03:14:50,239
down and grading and
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well,

2349
03:14:46,160 --> 03:14:54,640
» and then when and now in that situation
they can't bring the road up to standard

2350
03:14:52,399 --> 03:14:56,560
because they are so tight in there
>> that

2351
03:14:56,080 --> 03:14:59,600
» Right.
>> Yeah.

2352
03:14:57,279 --> 03:15:04,000
» Um as well as other concerns that we
have with building infrastructure.

2353
03:15:02,080 --> 03:15:07,760
» I think I think it's bad all the way
around. I mean, you you assume that when

2354
03:15:05,920 --> 03:15:11,920
you buy developed property that it's
it's all the tees are crossed and all

2355
03:15:10,319 --> 03:15:15,520
the eyes are dotted and I think
unfortunately this just wasn't that

2356
03:15:13,520 --> 03:15:19,840
situation and absolutely horrible and
shame on us for all of the amount of

2357
03:15:18,000 --> 03:15:24,080
money and gravel and grading we've done
but when we know better you do better

2358
03:15:21,920 --> 03:15:27,520
and unfortunately it's now we know
better so now we have to do better and

2359
03:15:25,439 --> 03:15:33,920
it's not our road
so I firmly believe that we need to stop

2360
03:15:31,120 --> 03:15:38,000
make sure it's uploaded on GIS and that
Everything is good that way and

2361
03:15:36,319 --> 03:15:43,120
hopefully this forces the hand of the
developer and this gives those residents

2362
03:15:40,319 --> 03:15:46,800
some leverage because they'll have an
like our motion to go on that it's not

2363
03:15:44,720 --> 03:15:52,080
our vote. This is our decision and maybe
it'll give them something to fight with.

2364
03:15:49,359 --> 03:15:55,080
» They will have to at least
enforce

2365
03:15:58,239 --> 03:16:02,399
decides that's
>> and a letter is better for our benefit

2366
03:16:01,120 --> 03:16:04,479
too, right? because then we can say that
we discussed it and this is the

2367
03:16:03,600 --> 03:16:07,920
decision.
>> Yeah.

2368
03:16:04,960 --> 03:16:11,760
» So just as a point of interest, I've
never seen this road here. You've seen

2369
03:16:09,359 --> 03:16:17,120
it and you've seen it. Well, how bad is
it? Like they actually live to the point

2370
03:16:14,000 --> 03:16:21,680
can't travel it or you said put mats at
one point.

2371
03:16:17,920 --> 03:16:27,120
» They Yeah, it seems in really wet years
we have to go to extraordinary measures.

2372
03:16:24,080 --> 03:16:32,080
We dumped pet run in there. We put
because it's built on top, right? That's

2373
03:16:29,840 --> 03:16:34,560
what it was built out of. I shouldn't
say top soil, black dirt,

2374
03:16:34,239 --> 03:16:38,960
» clay,
>> organic material,

2375
03:16:35,920 --> 03:16:44,319
» right? So, we've been dumping pit run
440. One year they had to do rigmats

2376
03:16:41,760 --> 03:16:49,279
just so that people can get in and out.
So, that's that's why the c like it's

2377
03:16:47,840 --> 03:16:54,080
not just like doing a quick little
shoulder pull on

2378
03:16:51,520 --> 03:17:01,520
» whatever it is 400 meters of road. No,
this is a full remove and rebuild

2379
03:16:58,239 --> 03:17:05,439
because you just can't build on that
kind of material.

2380
03:17:03,120 --> 03:17:08,640
» Well, which is why I mean it's just
passenger traffic and it's pushing it

2381
03:17:07,680 --> 03:17:12,720
out.
>> Yeah.

2382
03:17:09,200 --> 03:17:18,720
» Yeah. So, there's not much per for body
there. So, I'm sure it's crossing a

2383
03:17:15,600 --> 03:17:24,720
swamp like it's just like a wound
>> Oh, yeah. And I and I that's that's 100%

2384
03:17:21,200 --> 03:17:29,520
what I um my understanding is how they
build that out cuz they dug the ditches

2385
03:17:27,040 --> 03:17:39,920
out, flopped that material
uh balloon stuff um into the structure

2386
03:17:36,239 --> 03:17:46,800
of the road and slaps some gravel on it.
Hey county, come and deal with us.

2387
03:17:43,439 --> 03:17:52,319
And I don't get me wrong, I I don't want
it to be this way, but I also don't feel

2388
03:17:48,800 --> 03:17:57,920
that the residents of the county that
should be on the hook for $70,000 worth

2389
03:17:54,800 --> 03:18:03,120
of repairs to a road approximately, I
keep saying 70, that's an approximate

2390
03:18:00,160 --> 03:18:07,040
number. Um
that somebody who entered into an

2391
03:18:05,279 --> 03:18:12,239
agreement with us and said, "Yeah, no,
we are going to follow steps XYZ." and

2392
03:18:10,080 --> 03:18:17,439
then didn't and turned around and went,
"Okay, see you later." And then

2393
03:18:15,359 --> 03:18:22,880
somewhere down the line, a greater
operator with good intentions started

2394
03:18:20,319 --> 03:18:28,319
grading it and then it just kind of
snowballed from there. Right.

2395
03:18:26,640 --> 03:18:35,840
So,
it we have no legal uh legally we don't

2396
03:18:33,120 --> 03:18:41,279
have uh anything to go after. It's it's
got to be the the

2397
03:18:38,160 --> 03:18:47,760
» No, we we don't own it. We don't we've
never taken possession of it. So,

2398
03:18:44,880 --> 03:18:52,560
» but I mean he's not upholding his end of
the agreement with the county by not

2399
03:18:50,399 --> 03:18:57,680
developing road to the standards, right?
So,

2400
03:18:53,200 --> 03:19:02,000
» 100%. Yeah, there's a fair amount of
clauses in that agreement that you

2401
03:19:00,160 --> 03:19:06,319
» answer's question.
>> We do have, you know, if we wanted to,

2402
03:19:04,319 --> 03:19:11,200
not saying we want to, but we could say
that he's in breach of his agreement by

2403
03:19:08,000 --> 03:19:14,600
not in the opening road to standards.
>> I don't know what

2404
03:19:18,720 --> 03:19:26,960
» this and throughout this while I was
reading that I was I can't figure out

2405
03:19:23,920 --> 03:19:29,680
why they the red loss in there.
>> Oh, that was just to bring your

2406
03:19:28,160 --> 03:19:33,600
attention to it. They're orange.
Actually, it was just my orange

2407
03:19:30,960 --> 03:19:37,040
highlighter.
>> Why would they do that?

2408
03:19:34,720 --> 03:19:41,200
» No, I sat there because I I kind of
prefer to read on paper. So, I was just

2409
03:19:39,359 --> 03:19:44,200
sitting there with my highlighter.
>> Okay.

2410
03:19:44,800 --> 03:19:52,960
» Well, I guess I will put the motion on
the floor and be the bad guy. Um, and

2411
03:19:50,160 --> 03:19:56,000
direct administration
or public work.

2412
03:19:54,479 --> 03:20:01,279
» No, direct administration.
>> Uh direct administration to cease

2413
03:19:58,640 --> 03:20:04,399
maintenance on the Sims subdivision
internal road. Does it have a number?

2414
03:20:03,520 --> 03:20:06,560
It's not a road.
>> No.

2415
03:20:05,040 --> 03:20:13,479
» Um
uh going forward and um send letters

2416
03:20:17,760 --> 03:20:20,760
» well.

2417
03:20:22,399 --> 03:20:27,160
Case cease maintenance.

2418
03:20:29,680 --> 03:20:33,479
» Let me know when you're cut

2419
03:20:44,399 --> 03:20:50,720
maintenance on the Sims internal
subdivision

2420
03:20:48,319 --> 03:20:56,239
on the Sims subdivision internal road.
Maybe we should call it.

2421
03:20:53,279 --> 03:21:03,359
» You can give the legal part of
so to if you want to give

2422
03:20:59,840 --> 03:21:09,479
» uh Yeah, we can actually put that.
So whenever you're ready for the legal,

2423
03:21:05,680 --> 03:21:09,479
I can give it to you

2424
03:21:09,840 --> 03:21:21,479
on southeast 22 8422
west meridian

2425
03:21:17,359 --> 03:21:21,479
» and send correspondence

2426
03:21:25,600 --> 03:21:32,359
to residents and developer
regarding council's decision

2427
03:21:39,680 --> 03:21:44,359
» regarding council's decision

2428
03:21:55,359 --> 03:22:01,880
Well, do you want to put in there to
cease maintenance and or to

2429
03:22:01,920 --> 03:22:04,920
» Yeah.

2430
03:22:07,680 --> 03:22:15,840
» and direct administration to cease
maintenance on SIMS? Um because it's not

2431
03:22:12,000 --> 03:22:17,680
listed in our GIS, is it? Uh, well, it
has been.

2432
03:22:17,040 --> 03:22:21,279
» Okay.
>> But I will take that out of the G.

2433
03:22:19,200 --> 03:22:24,399
That's not an issue.
>> Just I'm thinking like if somebody logs

2434
03:22:22,960 --> 03:22:28,399
into our public JS, they're going to see
the level of service.

2435
03:22:26,000 --> 03:22:31,120
» No, it'll be done. It'll be taken off
like

2436
03:22:29,120 --> 03:22:33,760
» 30 seconds.
>> You know, I'm just trying to think of

2437
03:22:32,319 --> 03:22:39,200
where people might see it where it would
be different.

2438
03:22:34,720 --> 03:22:43,880
» Oh, it'll be changed here ASAP.
Maybe Jessica already described the

2439
03:22:44,080 --> 03:22:49,720
the the legal part of Southeast

2440
03:22:50,160 --> 03:22:55,640
that's described in the survey. So
>> yeah,

2441
03:22:57,439 --> 03:23:04,920
» okay.
>> Okay. A chance to read that. I'll take

2442
03:23:01,359 --> 03:23:04,920
it. Thank you.

2443
03:23:09,279 --> 03:23:12,279
children.

2444
03:23:20,160 --> 03:23:26,774
» See,
pick it up. [laughter]

2445
03:23:28,960 --> 03:23:35,800
» He's phonetically stol
like spaghetti. Got to add extra.

2446
03:23:37,359 --> 03:23:44,840
Okay, everybody had a chance to read
that sense. Any final clarification?

2447
03:23:45,920 --> 03:23:49,880
» Decision.
>> All in favor?

2448
03:23:55,200 --> 03:23:58,600
» Thank you, councel.

2449
03:23:59,520 --> 03:24:06,319
» I'm on the fence and I I I can see both
sides. Just

2450
03:24:04,239 --> 03:24:13,279
» who wants to mash up the cat gets bad?
>> Yeah. Sorry.

2451
03:24:09,680 --> 03:24:17,880
» Okay, we can move down to services
appointment or summer best inspector.

2452
03:24:21,760 --> 03:24:27,640
» I could do my best impression, but I'll
just stay in my place.

2453
03:24:28,319 --> 03:24:37,040
» This is a pretty straightforward.
>> Oh, yeah, it is. So we just we had a

2454
03:24:33,120 --> 03:24:44,359
previous weed inspector left us early.
So we would just like to appoint Ava

2455
03:24:39,040 --> 03:24:44,359
Pepis as the replacement we inspector.

2456
03:24:45,120 --> 03:24:54,080
» Okay. Councelor Deck moves that we
appoint Ava Pepkus as a replacement weed

2457
03:24:51,200 --> 03:24:57,800
inspector
for the summer of 2026.

2458
03:24:57,840 --> 03:25:03,080
All in favor?
It's carried.

2459
03:25:04,319 --> 03:25:11,760
It's already this meeting. Uh board and
committee reports are there for your

2460
03:25:09,279 --> 03:25:16,279
review. Any comments coming out?
Otherwise, get a motion to accept them.

2461
03:25:20,319 --> 03:25:27,920
Sorry, I forgot to put my upcoming
meetings for the next month.

2462
03:25:28,479 --> 03:25:35,102
I get it.
>> Okay. Looking for a motion to accept the

2463
03:25:32,800 --> 03:25:37,121
reports.
[laughter]

2464
03:25:37,760 --> 03:25:41,960
» Helping decorate together.

2465
03:25:53,760 --> 03:25:59,960
Thank you.
All in favor

2466
03:26:00,000 --> 03:26:07,319
info package
and then discussion coming out of it.

2467
03:26:14,000 --> 03:26:17,319
a lot later.

2468
03:26:19,680 --> 03:26:25,479
Okay. Motion to accept the info package
of information.

2469
03:26:26,399 --> 03:26:29,800
All in favor

2470
03:26:37,279 --> 03:26:46,560
» that's just on our daily.
It's just gone about half this meeting.

2471
03:26:43,120 --> 03:26:50,800
» Yeah. And also got some clarification on
anything or

2472
03:26:48,239 --> 03:26:53,680
» Yeah. So the meeting is cancelled on
August 25th.

2473
03:26:53,120 --> 03:26:55,279
» Cancelled.
>> Yeah,

2474
03:26:54,000 --> 03:26:59,880
» that's true. That's right.
>> And and the ribbon cutting in Fairview.

2475
03:27:00,720 --> 03:27:06,120
» I'll have to see if I can do that. It
looks like

2476
03:27:06,239 --> 03:27:11,680
» that' be a good news story. Well, I just
said Fairview is out of my coverage

2477
03:27:10,239 --> 03:27:16,760
area, so we'll have to have a
conversation.

2478
03:27:13,760 --> 03:27:16,760
» Fairview.

2479
03:27:17,439 --> 03:27:21,760
We got two.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The the one I'm

2480
03:27:20,080 --> 03:27:23,840
going to in Dixon for sure.
>> Oh, it's fair. You're not sure about it.

2481
03:27:23,439 --> 03:27:24,720
Yeah.
>> Yeah.

2482
03:27:24,239 --> 03:27:30,000
» Okay.
>> Um, so who's engineering the call to

2483
03:27:27,359 --> 03:27:34,800
action letter? I I um I saw that the
letter is is a sign, but I'm wondering

2484
03:27:32,000 --> 03:27:37,359
is it the National Police Federation?
>> Yes, that's right.

2485
03:27:35,920 --> 03:27:42,239
» Okay.
Um, Linda, you you expressed some

2486
03:27:39,920 --> 03:27:47,439
reservations about Korea. However, you
didn't support Brent's motion. Okay. Can

2487
03:27:44,479 --> 03:27:52,800
you um sort of express your concerns
about Bria?

2488
03:27:48,640 --> 03:27:55,439
» The way I feel is that I think a little
louder, please.

2489
03:27:53,680 --> 03:28:01,680
» Okay. The way I feel is that I think
that we should be looking at other

2490
03:27:58,640 --> 03:28:05,760
other economic developments.
>> Yeah.

2491
03:28:02,640 --> 03:28:11,359
» That's all with with the committee. I
think they should also be like you said

2492
03:28:08,479 --> 03:28:16,479
solar panel or I don't care just we
should be looking at other things too

2493
03:28:13,120 --> 03:28:21,359
because that's what was important to me.
>> Do you you want creating sound in the

2494
03:28:18,160 --> 03:28:26,160
larger picture? Are you aware of any?
>> Yeah.

2495
03:28:22,560 --> 03:28:30,720
» Well, I can find you a few and let you
know

2496
03:28:28,720 --> 03:28:38,000
» because there's been a few people said
they they wanted to bring stuff here.

2497
03:28:34,720 --> 03:28:43,200
had any I don't know communication about
that asking to show me that

2498
03:28:41,279 --> 03:28:45,920
» to see that was I heard everything
council

2499
03:28:43,760 --> 03:28:50,160
» yeah I know you do yeah
>> right you know I had here call me the

2500
03:28:48,000 --> 03:28:53,840
other day why aren't we advocating for
natural gas well

2501
03:28:51,760 --> 03:28:57,680
» what so I said well number one we don't
we're not advocators for it and number

2502
03:28:55,600 --> 03:29:01,680
two there's been nobody to date has
brought anything forward right I mean

2503
03:28:59,040 --> 03:29:08,160
everybody has all their own ideas and
motions and that's great but uh I know

2504
03:29:04,560 --> 03:29:12,160
the council supported one of Mr. Nell's
benches with a motion and a letter of

2505
03:29:10,720 --> 03:29:16,880
support.
>> I don't know the carbon capture thing.

2506
03:29:14,640 --> 03:29:20,040
» I don't think anything happened.
>> Never heard.

2507
03:29:20,479 --> 03:29:28,160
» Yeah, we sent a letter of support from
the

2508
03:29:26,080 --> 03:29:32,720
» No, from council.
>> He never asked.

2509
03:29:30,160 --> 03:29:38,680
» Anything else?
>> Yes. Uh, who from council is attending

2510
03:29:34,880 --> 03:29:38,680
the rebel cutting induc.

2511
03:29:39,200 --> 03:29:42,200
» All right.

2512
03:29:44,399 --> 03:29:50,239
» Okay.
>> And also Brenda.

2513
03:29:48,239 --> 03:29:55,359
» Brenda. Yeah, of course.
>> We assume and she runs here, but be

2514
03:29:53,040 --> 03:30:00,880
surprised if she doesn't.
She's on the board and

2515
03:29:58,399 --> 03:30:06,640
» Yeah. Okay. Dad, do you It's Yazinski,
Dean, Beast, and Uh re will be going to

2516
03:30:04,800 --> 03:30:09,640
the Dixonville ribbon cutting.
>> All right.

2517
03:30:10,160 --> 03:30:17,200
Feel like I'm jumping into a whirling
cauldron of

2518
03:30:14,880 --> 03:30:20,399
» how how many people does the road in the
distance since subdivision serve? Is

2519
03:30:19,040 --> 03:30:21,600
that three residents?
>> Yep.

2520
03:30:20,880 --> 03:30:27,920
» Yep.
>> And that's that's a 400 meter road.

2521
03:30:24,479 --> 03:30:32,640
» Uh approximately it's a T
road, right? So it Yeah. runs east,

2522
03:30:30,960 --> 03:30:37,600
west, and north, south.
>> And it's it's in the Weberville area.

2523
03:30:34,560 --> 03:30:45,880
That's north of Range Road 222.
>> Uh it's actually off of Range Road 222

2524
03:30:41,680 --> 03:30:45,880
west to the west.

2525
03:30:54,640 --> 03:30:59,760
» Anything else?
>> Yeah. Weed inspector.

2526
03:30:57,920 --> 03:31:04,880
Let's talk about the weed inspector. How
did they do their inspection?

2527
03:31:02,319 --> 03:31:10,080
Do they drive around and take a look or
do they just go by

2528
03:31:08,239 --> 03:31:13,560
little
make little

2529
03:31:13,760 --> 03:31:19,840
the inspectors are also fired?
>> They

2530
03:31:18,080 --> 03:31:26,160
» So then what are they doing with the
organic forms like a lot of those fields

2531
03:31:23,920 --> 03:31:30,880
of solid thistle wall to wall? There's
going to be a war out there pretty soon.

2532
03:31:28,880 --> 03:31:35,279
because they just blow that seed all
over the place.

2533
03:31:32,319 --> 03:31:39,600
» It's not obnoxious.
>> You can call it whatever you want to. It

2534
03:31:37,520 --> 03:31:44,399
was on the obnoxious list and we took it
off.

2535
03:31:40,720 --> 03:31:47,399
» We don't we prophet.
>> Well,

2536
03:31:50,000 --> 03:31:56,000
control it all the time. Yet they're
not.

2537
03:31:52,319 --> 03:31:59,040
» Degan Degan Scott. Is her egg field?
She's having done

2538
03:31:58,560 --> 03:32:03,600
» who?
>> Degan Scott.

2539
03:32:01,120 --> 03:32:06,319
» Is her egg field?
>> No. No.

2540
03:32:04,560 --> 03:32:12,080
» Well, her guard's there. She's out
spraying actually today. That's why I

2541
03:32:08,239 --> 03:32:19,520
had to appoint her inspector.
So, her guards up the front table.

2542
03:32:16,479 --> 03:32:23,279
Another one is uh all this land that's
being cleared and the stuff that's being

2543
03:32:21,359 --> 03:32:27,680
cleared around the creeks. I understood
that they couldn't clear all the brush

2544
03:32:25,520 --> 03:32:32,560
around the creeks
and I know in some land there are the

2545
03:32:30,479 --> 03:32:37,120
one in west and north star that those
guys cleared. They cleared everything.

2546
03:32:34,560 --> 03:32:43,040
They even got that trackco stuck in that
creek a couple times. Now, I don't know

2547
03:32:40,880 --> 03:32:49,520
if anybody is looking at it from from
the county of Northern Lights or we got

2548
03:32:45,600 --> 03:32:53,439
to get a hold of oceans and fishies. So,
Alberta environment

2549
03:32:51,680 --> 03:32:58,399
» Alberta environment would be all that.
>> I'll get you a phone number.

2550
03:32:55,200 --> 03:33:03,127
» Okay. Because
they were never supposed to cut all

2551
03:32:59,840 --> 03:33:05,439
their own creeks
[clears throat]

2552
03:33:03,840 --> 03:33:10,800
from what I understand. If they change
the laws, we should they should know

2553
03:33:07,920 --> 03:33:17,800
about so we can
start tearing some more brush out

2554
03:33:14,479 --> 03:33:17,800
because that's

2555
03:33:17,920 --> 03:33:24,200
not right. Somebody's going to get
played out again here pretty soon.

2556
03:33:25,520 --> 03:33:31,840
» Good. Everything else? Go ahead.
>> Yes.

2557
03:33:28,800 --> 03:33:38,000
» Phil, before you start, let's go over
some ground rules. We had a discussion

2558
03:33:33,600 --> 03:33:42,080
about this open session and uh got some
concerns about some of the things that

2559
03:33:39,920 --> 03:33:46,479
had here. First of all, you may not be
aware of this, but the municipal

2560
03:33:44,080 --> 03:33:51,840
government act does not mandate that we
have an open session. We do this as a

2561
03:33:48,880 --> 03:33:57,520
courtesies to our residents. Now, you've
made some comments over the last few

2562
03:33:53,520 --> 03:34:02,479
months that are we feel across St. For
example, you've called people parasites

2563
03:34:00,160 --> 03:34:08,720
here. the last meeting you made a curved
remark about people pulling the pants

2564
03:34:05,120 --> 03:34:14,560
down. Okay. So,
if you go to a bar and a restaurant and

2565
03:34:11,840 --> 03:34:20,800
you make comments like that and you've
also uh alluded to the fact that give

2566
03:34:18,720 --> 03:34:27,520
question council's confidence and things
like that. So, appetite for this is

2567
03:34:24,000 --> 03:34:30,960
getting pretty slim. So, the chair can
shut down the floor at any point. you

2568
03:34:29,359 --> 03:34:35,840
start crossing the stuff. Now, if you
got something pertinent on the agenda to

2569
03:34:33,279 --> 03:34:41,600
deal with, that's fine. But, uh, some of
this other stuff, uh, you're on notice,

2570
03:34:38,399 --> 03:34:45,279
though. Not good with
So, go ahead.

2571
03:34:43,760 --> 03:34:51,520
Okay. Well, I'll say what I got to say,
and if if you don't like it, stop me.

2572
03:34:47,439 --> 03:34:58,000
But I think it's my right as your boss
to tell you what I think about how

2573
03:34:53,840 --> 03:35:02,080
you're doing your job. So number one,
I I understand at the start of each

2574
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:08,080
meeting you do this land acknowledgement
and to me it makes no difference, but I

2575
03:35:05,200 --> 03:35:12,319
get I have the feeling you should also
make

2576
03:35:09,840 --> 03:35:18,720
an announcement
that you are spending rateayers money

2577
03:35:15,520 --> 03:35:24,560
and every time you do I see in the paper
all the time it says council grants

2578
03:35:22,160 --> 03:35:27,279
that should be changed to rateayers
grants.

2579
03:35:25,279 --> 03:35:34,399
It is our money that you are giving
away. It's not your money. Council has

2580
03:35:29,600 --> 03:35:40,319
no money. It is all of our taxpayers.
Number two,

2581
03:35:36,880 --> 03:35:44,319
I thank you for having the right payers.
I know we have to fraud you quite a bit,

2582
03:35:42,000 --> 03:35:51,439
but I'm really glad you did. They were
really good. The only concern I have Oh,

2583
03:35:48,399 --> 03:35:55,920
I'm not sure if Linda meant this. I got
to clarify this. [laughter]

2584
03:35:53,680 --> 03:36:01,840
I think I was mentioned in her report in
a roundabout way as a regular attendee.

2585
03:36:00,160 --> 03:36:07,239
I've never been referred to that as
before, but I think that's me.

2586
03:36:07,760 --> 03:36:15,200
Uh
somewhere along the line, and you may

2587
03:36:12,720 --> 03:36:21,359
take offense to this,
you guys believe in democracy because

2588
03:36:17,600 --> 03:36:26,399
you were voted again by the people.
Then once you're in there, democracy

2589
03:36:23,600 --> 03:36:30,720
seems to go out the window.
We've had this discussion. Brand said

2590
03:36:29,200 --> 03:36:33,279
because I I disagree with you guys
giving away money. And he says, "Well,

2591
03:36:32,000 --> 03:36:40,000
we're representing people who want to
give away money." In the last 5 years, I

2592
03:36:36,800 --> 03:36:45,359
can only remember council asking us, the
rateayers, three questions.

2593
03:36:43,120 --> 03:36:51,279
One was, "Do you want nuclear power?"
And you prefaced it by saying, "No

2594
03:36:48,000 --> 03:36:57,200
matter what you say, it's nonbinding.
and we voted no we don't. Number two was

2595
03:36:54,800 --> 03:37:00,880
do you want more information? And the
majority of people voted for more

2596
03:36:59,120 --> 03:37:05,680
information and you guys count that all
the time. You need more information.

2597
03:37:03,680 --> 03:37:10,800
You've been going to meetings for 2
years

2598
03:37:07,840 --> 03:37:16,160
and Priya has not answered one question.
You have not given us any information

2599
03:37:13,200 --> 03:37:20,960
whatsoever. So why are you continually
going to these meetings to gather

2600
03:37:18,640 --> 03:37:25,760
information to give to the people but
you claim voted to get information but

2601
03:37:23,760 --> 03:37:31,760
you're not giving us any information
about this whatever Priya is doing and

2602
03:37:29,279 --> 03:37:37,920
looking into this nuclear power plant.
And the third thing you asked was what

2603
03:37:34,479 --> 03:37:42,479
should we do with the ice rank in
Northstar? Five people responded

2604
03:37:40,640 --> 03:37:50,120
something as simple as that. You need to
ask people's questions, but all this

2605
03:37:44,640 --> 03:37:50,120
other stuff just goes un unovered.

2606
03:37:51,840 --> 03:38:00,640
I pay approximately $1,000 a year taxes
to the county.

2607
03:37:58,160 --> 03:38:06,880
County spent approximately, well, they
did $1,000 on pink t-shirts

2608
03:38:04,160 --> 03:38:11,439
for the bullying campaign.
I noticed in the package today, I looked

2609
03:38:09,600 --> 03:38:16,399
at the packages.
Nobody on the float wore their pink

2610
03:38:13,520 --> 03:38:20,800
t-shirts. So I'm thinking I paid my
taxes. You guys took that thousand

2611
03:38:18,399 --> 03:38:27,040
bucks, bought the t-shirts. There, my
money's all gone.

2612
03:38:24,080 --> 03:38:32,880
» We wore blue ones because it was
>> for the

2613
03:38:28,399 --> 03:38:35,880
» pink was for another thing. Pink was for
>> antib.

2614
03:38:39,920 --> 03:38:45,680
And those t-shirts are here for anybody
else.

2615
03:38:43,040 --> 03:38:48,399
» I'll wear mine next to me, too.
>> Okay.

2616
03:38:46,399 --> 03:38:54,239
» Uh
I I appreciate your word reports and

2617
03:38:52,399 --> 03:38:59,920
telling you all the meetings you go to,
but I still don't feel that I'm getting

2618
03:38:57,040 --> 03:39:05,120
information in the reports
of what information you gathered at each

2619
03:39:02,080 --> 03:39:08,960
of these meetings that is helpful to me
as a rank picker. Like the report says,

2620
03:39:07,520 --> 03:39:12,720
"I went to this meeting and we had a
great time and we learned something."

2621
03:39:10,560 --> 03:39:17,560
What did you learn? What did you bring
back to council to make a better

2622
03:39:14,560 --> 03:39:17,560
decision?

2623
03:39:19,359 --> 03:39:28,880
Um, this I don't I'm not under not sure
what happened and Linda may understand

2624
03:39:26,000 --> 03:39:33,760
when when we had the the meeting in Keg
River, every time I look on the

2625
03:39:31,680 --> 03:39:37,760
schedule, it seemed to be changing from
day to day. It was the 21st, then it was

2626
03:39:36,000 --> 03:39:41,520
the 17th,
and it was really confusing. And I don't

2627
03:39:40,160 --> 03:39:45,760
know what happened there, but I just
thought I'd bring it up in case nobody

2628
03:39:43,520 --> 03:39:51,200
else noticed that. And I almost missed
it cuz the the calendar said a different

2629
03:39:48,800 --> 03:39:54,479
date than when it actually happened. So,
I know you guys are working on the

2630
03:39:52,479 --> 03:39:57,479
calendars. So, that would be nice to
have.

2631
03:39:57,520 --> 03:40:06,160
So, and again, you may not like this
one. I've sat in now the meeting since

2632
03:40:03,439 --> 03:40:12,960
first this year and I've watched you
guys as you have your meet

2633
03:40:09,439 --> 03:40:17,920
and I can tell for the most part most of
you do not read this package before you

2634
03:40:15,760 --> 03:40:23,439
come to the meeting
because when you start discussing it the

2635
03:40:21,359 --> 03:40:27,600
answer is usually in the in the package
and you're asking the question and the

2636
03:40:25,279 --> 03:40:32,960
answer was there you would have read and
that is really disconcerting when your

2637
03:40:30,560 --> 03:40:39,479
policy states, you are getting paid
$1,600 a month to be prepared for the

2638
03:40:36,479 --> 03:40:39,479
meetings.

2639
03:40:39,680 --> 03:40:46,319
It only takes me an hour to read this
whole stinking package. You guys are

2640
03:40:43,760 --> 03:40:51,120
getting paid 1,800 bucks when you do two
or three meetings. But anyway, that's

2641
03:40:47,920 --> 03:40:57,600
just and it's it just frustrates that so
much time is wasted reading their report

2642
03:40:54,720 --> 03:41:01,279
like Charles reads his report. You guys
can just Yep. I approve it because you

2643
03:41:00,000 --> 03:41:06,560
already read it.
>> Not everybody has a copy of the what we

2644
03:41:03,760 --> 03:41:12,479
get. So that's why sometimes these guys
report say what they put in their

2645
03:41:08,800 --> 03:41:17,040
report. Not everybody is gets online or
gets the the minutes given to them

2646
03:41:14,960 --> 03:41:22,319
before the meeting.
>> The only way I I every Friday I go on

2647
03:41:19,680 --> 03:41:27,200
the computer and there's the minutes the
whole package is there.

2648
03:41:24,080 --> 03:41:32,160
» There's a lot of people that cannot even
look at. Well, that's that's neither

2649
03:41:29,359 --> 03:41:36,160
here nor there. And then this one I only
got a bit left but

2650
03:41:33,600 --> 03:41:41,200
» well
>> this one really

2651
03:41:38,640 --> 03:41:45,840
during the rate payers meetings there
was questions about nuclear quite a bit

2652
03:41:43,040 --> 03:41:50,560
and today nuclear and questions were
brought up about PRIA and it's really

2653
03:41:48,560 --> 03:41:57,520
disconcerting that when a question is
asked about Priya Ry who is also the

2654
03:41:54,880 --> 03:42:00,640
chairman of Priya pretends he knows
absolutely nothing about what's going on

2655
03:41:59,439 --> 03:42:06,239
in Priya.
And we've had comments, well, we're just

2656
03:42:03,520 --> 03:42:10,960
two people that get to vote in it and we
really have no say on what happens in

2657
03:42:08,080 --> 03:42:15,439
PRA. If you don't know what or you don't
have a say in Pria, why are you even

2658
03:42:13,200 --> 03:42:20,600
there? Because the people already said,
we don't want nuclear, so why are you

2659
03:42:17,600 --> 03:42:20,600
there?

2660
03:42:21,200 --> 03:42:28,000
Uh Gary just made the comment, how can
you leave the people in Sims high and

2661
03:42:25,200 --> 03:42:34,000
dry after you've been looking after them
for 14 years? Just at a previous

2662
03:42:30,640 --> 03:42:38,640
meeting, you made a motion to stop
snowplowing private driveways, left

2663
03:42:36,080 --> 03:42:43,120
everybody high and dry, and there was
lots of complaints about that. And have

2664
03:42:40,479 --> 03:42:47,600
you done anything about that? No. But so
you leave people high and dry all the

2665
03:42:45,279 --> 03:42:52,688
time.
Thank you.

2666
03:42:50,669 --> 03:42:52,688
[clears throat]

2667
03:42:53,600 --> 03:43:02,640
And so
decisions on locations don't know that

2668
03:43:00,640 --> 03:43:07,120
» I guess the decision kind of made during
the report was it was probably

2669
03:43:05,520 --> 03:43:13,600
» yeah
motion that I like if you just

2670
03:43:11,279 --> 03:43:16,000
it'd be kind of nice to
come to my to engage with them a little

2671
03:43:15,439 --> 03:43:19,040
more
>> have the full have the full

2672
03:43:17,680 --> 03:43:24,880
presentation.
>> Yeah. Or Yeah. If you want us to set a

2673
03:43:21,520 --> 03:43:27,760
full presentation, it can obviously
virtual works best for him.

2674
03:43:27,279 --> 03:43:31,840
» Yeah.
>> In would we be able to fit it in a

2675
03:43:30,160 --> 03:43:36,000
regular meeting?
>> I don't think we should do it during a

2676
03:43:33,600 --> 03:43:41,680
regular meeting. I think it's more you
guys would given the broad scope of it.

2677
03:43:38,960 --> 03:43:46,160
» It's an hour long like
>> Yeah. I mean, if if his presentation is

2678
03:43:43,920 --> 03:43:50,319
an hour, we probably got another hour of
question and answers.

2679
03:43:47,680 --> 03:43:55,279
» Well, that's just it, right? question
answer.

2680
03:43:52,319 --> 03:43:59,520
» Everybody's stopped here.
>> So maybe we should do it as a meeting

2681
03:43:57,520 --> 03:44:03,600
because they are disclosing some of
their intellectual property during the

2682
03:44:01,520 --> 03:44:07,680
presentation and I don't think it would
be appropriate if we actually broadcast

2683
03:44:06,080 --> 03:44:13,040
that because remember we are saving a
copy of the council meeting online.

2684
03:44:10,560 --> 03:44:17,920
» So I recommend we do it as a meeting.
They send us a meeting request. We all

2685
03:44:15,120 --> 03:44:22,640
go online virtually and listen to what
they have to say about how they actually

2686
03:44:19,680 --> 03:44:25,359
prepare and improve their
>> put it on the agenda for regular

2687
03:44:23,760 --> 03:44:30,560
meetings which is just
>> just a separate meeting.

2688
03:44:27,279 --> 03:44:36,560
» Yeah. But they landed on something
>> to me already kind of gave his spiel. So

2689
03:44:33,680 --> 03:44:41,840
all we need to do is ask questions about
more questions than what we did. Now

2690
03:44:39,359 --> 03:44:45,359
» I don't know if that's true. Well, there
there's questions that I have for him

2691
03:44:43,439 --> 03:44:48,600
that I'm not going to ask in public
because similar

2692
03:44:48,720 --> 03:44:55,760
» this this presentation I based on what
we've seen so far is going to be a lot

2693
03:44:53,600 --> 03:45:01,600
of it you know like an FCM oriented
that's not really

2694
03:44:57,120 --> 03:45:07,760
» not really what should be
free money right

2695
03:45:05,760 --> 03:45:12,319
» yeah well we call it free money but
>> yeah our focus is more on the stick end

2696
03:45:10,880 --> 03:45:15,520
of That's me, not the thorough.
>> Well, that's probably the primary one,

2697
03:45:14,319 --> 03:45:17,600
but I think we should
>> Yeah,

2698
03:45:15,920 --> 03:45:21,680
» a little more broad thinking. You know,
there could be other things.

2699
03:45:18,800 --> 03:45:26,640
» I think I think they have a fairly good,
like I said, finger on the pulse of what

2700
03:45:23,600 --> 03:45:32,160
is out there. What's coming up? Is there
water for life stuff coming up? Is there

2701
03:45:30,319 --> 03:45:35,840
there might be lots of other things
coming up that we don't know about?

2702
03:45:34,160 --> 03:45:38,960
» Taking on fire services. Maybe there's
something relevant to that, right?

2703
03:45:37,359 --> 03:45:41,520
» Yeah.
>> So,

2704
03:45:39,680 --> 03:45:44,319
» I I agree. I think I think we need to
have a separate meeting because I don't

2705
03:45:42,800 --> 03:45:48,399
think it got a fair shake today. It was
a very rushed presentation and it was

2706
03:45:46,000 --> 03:45:52,239
hard to digest and keep up and I would
like the opportunity to read the slides

2707
03:45:49,840 --> 03:45:55,680
and hear the whole thing to make no dorm
decision not based on a 15minute crown

2708
03:45:55,040 --> 03:45:59,920
it in.
>> So councelor Deck has made a suggestion

2709
03:45:58,080 --> 03:46:04,720
and I don't know what the administration
thinks but we plan a meeting on the 18th

2710
03:46:02,239 --> 03:46:11,199
to complete our strategic plan review.
Would that allow us time for that as

2711
03:46:06,880 --> 03:46:14,080
well? We we'll all be gathered anyway
because we're halfway through that

2712
03:46:12,239 --> 03:46:18,479
strategic plan stuff, right? We're not
there's only I think three items left.

2713
03:46:16,960 --> 03:46:24,160
» We're all literally all
>> and we're starting at 9 that morning. So

2714
03:46:20,640 --> 03:46:30,080
maybe by noon we're done or
talk

2715
03:46:25,120 --> 03:46:36,720
» and then we can schedule associated
see if that works for Mike if he's

2716
03:46:31,920 --> 03:46:39,840
available on Jess's number and his email
so she can coordinate after you guys.

2717
03:46:38,880 --> 03:46:45,680
» Yeah.
>> And if not then obviously

2718
03:46:43,279 --> 03:46:47,359
» my be nice to kind of kill two birds,
right?

2719
03:46:46,399 --> 03:46:50,520
» For sure.
>> I mean,

2720
03:46:50,960 --> 03:46:58,319
yeah, you want me to just reach out and
see if he's available.

2721
03:46:55,840 --> 03:47:02,479
» Okay. So, that would be
no decision from delegation then other

2722
03:47:00,479 --> 03:47:06,319
than that.
Do you want do you need a motion to

2723
03:47:04,319 --> 03:47:09,760
direct you to go ahead and reach out to
him and schedule that?

2724
03:47:08,160 --> 03:47:13,920
» No.
>> Well, I'm saying yes on saying no. All

2725
03:47:11,359 --> 03:47:19,439
we need
>> I don't think we do. You just said yes.

2726
03:47:18,000 --> 03:47:25,040
» But it's a decision.
>> No. No. I'm mute on this one. I have the

2727
03:47:21,600 --> 03:47:29,520
motion here, but I can easily just
>> I'm just thinking everybody keeps saying

2728
03:47:27,520 --> 03:47:35,199
that we're not letting people know what
we're doing these guys and

2729
03:47:33,040 --> 03:47:37,920
give them give us a presentation. So, I
think we need a motion.

2730
03:47:36,399 --> 03:47:41,120
» I'll put the motion on the floor that we
have administration reach out to

2731
03:47:39,359 --> 03:47:46,160
associate engineering and see if they
can coordinate a virtual meeting on the

2732
03:47:42,880 --> 03:47:52,080
18th following our strategic plan. And
if not, let us know how many dates.

2733
03:47:49,680 --> 03:48:01,880
I would say following just say that date
maybe they're all available online

2734
03:47:56,080 --> 03:48:01,880
be flexible. Okay. All in favor

2735
03:48:02,560 --> 03:48:08,479
we got a couple items. Do you want to
have a quick break before we head into

2736
03:48:05,520 --> 03:48:10,000
them? How long it going to take?
>> One is

2737
03:48:09,439 --> 03:48:14,560
» pretty quick.
>> And then the other one is pearls.

2738
03:48:12,479 --> 03:48:17,680
Pearl. How long do you think your hand
will take?

2739
03:48:15,760 --> 03:48:21,560
» Five 10 minutes. Oh,
>> let's follow through.

2740
03:48:22,640 --> 03:48:25,960
» We just need

2741
03:48:27,040 --> 03:48:30,040
people.

2742
03:48:37,439 --> 03:48:44,120
If you have problem
subdivision for example

2743
03:49:06,479 --> 03:49:09,479
separate

2744
03:49:17,760 --> 03:49:21,560
like too crazy

2745
03:49:27,920 --> 03:49:33,160
for garbage. Well, I didn't

2746
03:49:35,359 --> 03:49:38,359
tell

2747
03:49:39,279 --> 03:49:43,319
the same color of the fish.

2748
03:49:47,680 --> 03:49:50,680
Just

2749
03:50:08,800 --> 03:50:11,800
» mention

2750
03:50:14,560 --> 03:50:23,080
how confident are you at
I don't think I heard that nice

2751
03:50:20,080 --> 03:50:23,080
» voice

2752
03:50:28,319 --> 03:50:32,960
council grants
one asking that

2753
03:50:32,399 --> 03:50:34,960
» this is
>> how long has it been called council

2754
03:50:34,479 --> 03:50:40,080
grants
>> this is from group five plus years yeah

2755
03:50:39,120 --> 03:50:47,120
I can't speak to it
>> no but it council was on there he was a

2756
03:50:44,880 --> 03:50:49,920
» when Jim was on there with and lay at
council gas.