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[0:23] >>chair, doug chaffee: check
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[0:24] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: check
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[0:26] >>vincente sarmiento: check
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[0:28] >>clerk, robin stieler: check check
[0:36] >>chair, doug chaffee: this
[0:38] morning I'm chair doug chaffee
[0:40] and 4th district supervisor
[0:43] and joined this morning with
[0:44] vice-chair katrina foley.
[0:47] National weights and measures
[0:48] week is observed each year in
[0:50] the first full week of MARCH.
[0:54] We are in advance for a change,
[0:56] recognition of PRESIDENT John
[0:58] addams signing the first united
[1:00] states weights and measures law
[1:05] on MARCH 2, 1799.
[1:06] .
[1:08] Every day 3.2 million residents
[1:12] and businesses as well as 59
[1:14] million-plus annual visitors
[1:15] rely on accurate measurements
[1:18] and pricing when purchasing
[1:20] groceries, fuel, utilities,
[1:21] consumer goods and services.
[1:22] The orange county office of
[1:24] weights and measures ensures
[1:26] weighing and measuring devices
[1:27] are accurate, protecting
[1:29] millions of dollars in
[1:31] transactions. With that, I'd
[1:36] like to invite up jose air
[1:39] yugoslav ga, the orange county
[1:40] commissioner and also known as
[1:41] the sealer of weights and
[1:43] measures. Anthony lee, deputy
[1:46] sealer of the weights measures,
[1:46] and anna watts, our business
[1:49] service analysts, hugo soto,
[1:52] senior agricultural standards
[1:55] inspector, marinda herr,
[1:56] agricultural standards
[1:59] inspector. Mark johnson, senior
[2:02] agricultural standards
[2:06] inspector, david scorski,
[2:07] agricultural standards
[2:09] inspector, and alicia barry, our
[2:13] senior deputy D.A. So we do
[2:14] have some oversight from the
[2:19] D.A.'s office in here as well..
[2:21] Orange county ranks third
[2:23] statewide in the number of
[2:24] commercial weighing and
[2:25] measuring device under our
[2:26] jurisdiction, reflecting the
[2:27] scale and complexity of the
[2:30] local economy. Through the
[2:32] diligent work, the office of
[2:36] weights and measures' staff,
[2:37] consumers are protected and
[2:38] ensured that prices are fair. I
[2:40] want to thank staff for their
[2:42] work that often goes
[2:45] unrecognized. We'd now like to
[2:47] invite vice-chair foley with any
[2:50] remarks she'd care to make.
[2:51] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
[2:52] you. Great to be here. Good
[2:55] morning. Katrina foley, county
[2:56] supervisor representing the
[2:57] fabulous fifth district. And as
[2:59] mentioned by our CHAIRMAN, we
[3:00] are today recognizing weights
[3:02] and measures week here in orange
[3:05] county. And this rear's theme
[3:07] is "we measure what matters."
[3:09] and this reflects our commitment
[3:12] to fairness, accountability, and
[3:14] public protection. Every time
[3:16] residents fill up at the gas
[3:18] pump, buy groceries or receive a
[3:19] delivery, they trust that they
[3:22] receive exactly what they paid
[3:23] for. Dedicated professionals
[3:26] like these behind me inspect,
[3:28] test, and verify these systems
[3:31] every single day. Our weights
[3:34] and measures team at oc public
[3:35] works safeguards consumer
[3:36] dollars, ensures a level playing
[3:38] field for businesses and quietly
[3:41] keeps our local economy running
[3:43] fairly and efficiently.
[3:44] Standard measurements are so
[3:45] important, and they help us
[3:48] perform even simple tasks like
[3:52] purchasing carpet, laundry
[3:53] detergent, fabric, any number of
[3:55] things. And I do think it's so
[3:57] important because before I
[3:59] became a county supervise, I
[4:01] didn't even know that we had
[4:03] this group. And so it's very
[4:05] important because it's all about
[4:07] protecting our consumers and
[4:08] making sure, like I said, that
[4:12] we get what we pay for. So
[4:13] thank you for all of the work
[4:14] that you do. And sometimes it's
[4:16] hard because people get mad at
[4:18] you and they don't like you in
[4:19] their business. But you're
[4:20] there to protect the consumers.
[4:30] So thank you.
[4:32] >>speaker: CHAIRMAN Chaffee,
[4:33] vice-chair foley, thank you so
[4:35] much for being here, and thank
[4:35] you for the opportunity to be
[4:37] here and highlight a little bit
[4:39] of the work of the weights and
[4:41] measures professionals. My name
[4:45] is jose arriaga, also known as
[4:47] the county sealer of weights and
[4:48] measures. I want to share a
[4:50] little bit of information what
[4:51] is weights and measures. As
[4:52] mentioned, sometimes we don't
[4:54] even know what weights and
[4:57] measures is, it's quietly in our
[4:59] communities, but I assure you
[5:00] that by the end of the day today
[5:01] the work of the individuals will
[5:04] touch your life and every single
[5:06] day for the rest of our days,
[5:07] every single resident is touched
[5:08] by the work of these
[5:10] individuals. When you pump fuel
[5:13] at that gas station and you see
[5:14] that seal that says it was
[5:16] accurate when tested, that
[5:17] ensures that that device -- we
[5:19] call them a device -- it meets
[5:22] the conform plans. It is within
[5:24] a tolerance that ensures that
[5:26] you get what you pay for. It's
[5:28] not just the 20,000 gas pumps in
[5:30] orange county, it also includes
[5:33] the 100,000 water submeters,
[5:34] 20,000 electric watt meters, it
[5:36] includes the thousands of scales
[5:39] at grocery stores, and it's not
[5:42] just devices, the work weights
[5:45] and measures officials expands
[5:48] beyond those devices. It also
[5:48] applies to the price that you
[5:51] pay. We do not set the price
[5:53] but ensure that the price that
[5:54] every consumer pays is the
[5:55] lowest advertised price. We
[5:57] have a team of secret shoppers,
[5:58] some of them are here, where
[6:00] they will go into thousands of
[6:02] retail stores every year and
[6:04] verify the accuracy of those
[6:05] prices on the shelves against
[6:07] the point of sales system. And
[6:09] it's beyond pricing. When you
[6:11] buy commodities by count,
[6:13] weight, measure, when you pour a
[6:14] gallon from a gallon of milk to
[6:18] your 16 ounce box of cereal,
[6:19] well, hopefully it's in a bowl,
[6:20] how do you know there's a gallon
[6:26] in there? When you buy items by
[6:27] count, how do you know what's in
[6:29] there by weight? The other
[6:30] thing we do, one of the other
[6:32] programs we play a critical role
[6:33] here in our community is that
[6:35] our officials respond to
[6:36] hundreds of complaints of
[6:39] residents where they buy canned
[6:40] goods, packaged goods, and we're
[6:41] verifying the accuracy of that
[6:44] label and the content of those
[6:45] containers.
[6:47] We are protecting an $89 billion
[6:49] retail economy, but more
[6:52] importantly, we are protecting
[6:56] an over$300 billion gdp economy
[6:58] here in orange county. I do
[7:00] want to thank the officials. I
[7:01] want to thank the team here for
[7:03] the work that they do every
[7:04] single day. They are committed.
[7:05] I also want to provide a
[7:07] special thanks to our partners
[7:08] with the district attorney's
[7:12] office. A lot of our work
[7:13] relies on compliance through
[7:14] education, through awareness,
[7:15] occasionally through
[7:17] administrative actions, but
[7:18] sometimes we have to go beyond
[7:20] and do prosecutions and that is
[7:21] where our district attorney's
[7:24] office comes in. Alicia, thank
[7:24] you so much for you and your
[7:25] team for all of the help and
[7:27] support. They help us achieve
[7:30] our goals of protecting the
[7:31] consumers hear in orange county.
[7:32] With that, when we say thank
[7:34] you. And if you ever feel that
[7:35] anything you buy, the quantity,
[7:37] the price, the weight is
[7:38] inaccurate, please reach out to
[7:39] our office. We are a very small
[7:42] team. We do a lot of coverage,
[7:44] but we actually need the help of
[7:45] every single resident and every
[7:46] single business in orange county
[7:48] to help protect each other. So
[7:49] please reach out to our office
[7:50] if you have any questions, if he
[7:52] ever want to learn about what we
[7:54] do, if you want to come work
[7:58] with us, it's an amazing job.
[7:59] There's never a boring day here.
[8:00] Thank you.
[9:27] [Applause]
[9:29] >>chair, doug chaffee: and that
[9:29] concludes our presentations this
[9:31] morning. We will begin our
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[10:05] you.
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[31:14] [Orange county board of good morning,
[31:14] supervisors-
[31:15] meeting will begin everyone
[31:16] shortly]. I'd like to welcome
[31:20] you to this
[31:22] >>speaker: good morning,
[31:22] everyone. I'd like to welcome
[31:25] you to this meeting FEBRUARY 24,
[31:27] 2026. Today the invocations
[31:30] will be offered by vice-chair
[31:31] foley and pledge of allegiance
[31:33] led by supervisor nguyen. If
[31:41] you're able, please stand.
[31:43] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: join
[31:44] me today to pause for a moment
[31:45] reflection before we begin the
[31:47] work on behalf of our orange
[31:48] county community. We join
[31:49] together here with the shared
[31:51] responsibility to serve every
[31:56] constituent of our community
[31:58] with speaking with grill and
[31:59] purpose and moments when
[32:00] disagreements grow MAY we
[32:01] remember that public service
[32:03] calls us to rise above division.
[32:05] Let us all work harder and with
[32:07] more intention to choose
[32:10] collaboration over conflict and
[32:12] solutions over spectacle. As
[32:14] leaders we also have a duty to
[32:15] protect and support the county
[32:17] staff who carry out this work
[32:20] for us every day. They look to
[32:23] us for steadiness,
[32:24] accountability and example. Our
[32:26] conduct sets the tone. Ideally
[32:28] we lead them and they help us
[32:30] improve our county government by
[32:31] trusting their commitment to
[32:34] provide quality services and set
[32:35] high standards for performance
[32:37] and delivery of services. MAY
[32:39] we remember that this work is
[32:41] not about any one of us, it is
[32:45] about all of us. We MAY not
[32:46] always agree but we MAY disagree
[32:48] with respect, work harder to
[32:49] challenge ideas without
[32:52] degrading one another and remain
[32:54] productive rather than
[32:56] interactive, when we falter or
[32:58] slip up, MAY we also forgive and
[33:01] commit to picking up another
[33:01] plank to keep building the
[33:04] bridges that keep us connected.
[33:05] Our community benefits when we
[33:06] build bridges, not barriers.
[33:09] And when we focus on helping
[33:13] lift up all segments of our
[33:17] community.. As we watch bombs
[33:19] bursting, builds blow up and
[33:21] other chaos in other countries
[33:22] and communities, let us
[33:24] recognize the privilege we share
[33:25] to live and serve here and the
[33:26] duty to move forward together
[33:28] for the entire county to protect
[33:30] this paradise we call home. I
[33:32] look forward a protective
[33:32] meeting with you all. Thank
[33:35] you. Please join me in the
[33:42] pledge of allegiance.
[33:43] I pledge allegiance to my flag
[33:44] to the united states of america
[33:45] and to the republic for which it
[33:46] stands, one nation, under GOD,
[33:47] indivisible, with liberty and
[33:57] justice for all.
[33:58] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
[34:04] supervisors foley and nguyen. A
[34:06] couple of reminders for today's
[34:08] meeting, please use the main
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[34:33] outside the boardroom. We'll be
[34:34] breaking for lunch around the
[34:36] noon hour during which time
[34:39] we'll also recess to closed
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[34:52] proceed to the agenda for this
[34:54] morning's meeting. This agenda
[34:57] contains a brief description of
[34:59] each item to be considered
[35:01] except as provided by law, no
[35:04] action maybe taken to any item
[35:06] not appearing in today's agenda.
[35:08] The agenda is divide into
[35:09] sections, all matters on the
[35:12] scent calendar are proved by --
[35:14] a -- on the consent calendar are
[35:16] approved by one motion, a board
[35:19] member or member of the public
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[35:39] meetings, speaker requests must
[35:41] be turned in prior to the
[35:43] reading of an individual item,
[35:46] including public comments.
[35:48] Speakers MAY address the board
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[35:51] minutes allotted to the speaker
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[36:00] residence for the record.
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[36:04] you have three minutes. The
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[36:10] to red when your time has
[36:11] expired. We ask that you
[36:13] observe the time limit so that
[36:15] all who wish to speak will have
[36:16] an opportunity do so.
[36:18] Addressing the board, we address
[36:21] the board as a whole through the
[36:36] chair.. We're moving to -- I'm
[36:37] changing this around a little
[36:39] built. Normally we have board
[36:41] comments that the time. I'm
[36:42] going to move that to the end of
[36:45] the meeting instead. And so now
[36:48] we'll move to our agenda items.
[36:49] I ask the clerk to identify any
[36:52] changes to the agenda, any
[36:54] requests received from the
[36:55] public to pull an item from the
[36:56] consent calendar for separate
[36:59] consideration. MADAM Clerk.
[37:02] >>clerk, robin stieler: on
[37:03] discussion calendar, item 22 has
[37:06] been deleted. And closed
[37:08] sessions cs-1 has also been
[37:09] deleted. The public has
[37:10] requested to pull item 4 from
[37:17] the consent calendar.
[37:18] >>chair, doug chaffee: I would
[37:20] like to move item, I believe,
[37:22] it's 28, to be heard after item
[37:23] 17 since item 18 can be directed
[37:34] by that item. That's the board
[37:34] procurement item.
[37:35] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: did
[37:37] you say 22, grants committee
[37:37] report --
[37:39] >>chair, doug chaffee: no. I
[37:39] meant 28.
[37:42] >>clerk, robin stieler: 22 was
[37:45] deleted. Excuse me. 23. 23.
[37:46] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.
[37:47] I thought so. Thank you.
[37:57] >>chair, doug chaffee: okay.
[37:58] I'd ask my colleague if there
[38:00] are any items you'd like to hear
[38:01] separately on the consent
[38:03] calendar. We have requests from
[38:05] the public that item 4 be heard
[38:06] separately. Except for, that
[38:07] MAY I have a motion --
[38:09] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
[38:10] the balance.
[38:11] >>don wagner: second.
[38:12] >>chair, doug chaffee: any
[38:13] objection? Seeing none,
[38:17] carried. Item 4.
[38:18] >>clerk, robin stieler: 4.
[38:18] Under oc community resources,
[38:19] Approve master agreement for oc
[38:20] Animal Care services, 6/1/26-
[38:21] 5/31/31; authorize Director
[38:22] or designee to execute
[38:22] individual agreements, make
[38:23] minor changes and renew
[38:26] agreements under certain conditions.
[38:28] And we have one requests to
[38:30] speak on agenda item 4.
[38:31] >>chair, doug chaffee: please
[38:32] call the speaker.
[38:34] >>clerk, robin stieler: michael
[38:35] m.
[38:37] >>speaker: thank you. Michael m
[38:38] from irvine. In the last year,
[38:41] the animal shelter has made
[38:44] significant strides, thanks to
[38:50] this board. I am grateful to
[38:51] those who led these positive
[38:52] changes and as a proud resident
[38:55] of the third district also to
[38:56] supervisor wagner for his
[38:57] support. To sustain the
[38:59] progress we need to follow up on
[39:01] the shelter's strategic plan,
[39:05] which defines how the board, its
[39:07] cities and community expect the
[39:11] shelter to operate. We as a
[39:12] county spent thousands of hours
[39:13] and hundreds of thousands of
[39:15] dollars to put this plan
[39:17] together. The board voted for
[39:18] the strategic plan as the
[39:19] blueprint for shelter
[39:21] operations. I urge the board
[39:23] and the animal shelter to follow
[39:24] up on last year's improvements
[39:27] and put the shelter on a good
[39:30] path that fixes persisting
[39:31] promise and prevents
[39:35] backsliding. The plan there, we
[39:36] just need work on
[39:38] implementation. Thank you.
[39:39] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
[39:40] for your comments. Back to the
[39:42] board for consideration. Do we
[39:42] have a motion.
[39:43] >>janet nguyen: I'll move it
[39:45] with comments, MR. CHAIRMAN.
[39:47] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:
[39:47] second.
[39:48] >>chair, doug chaffee: please go
[39:50] ahead, prfers nguyen.
[39:51] >>janet nguyen: I just want to
[39:54] first thank monica, dillon and
[39:57] the oc animal staff for putting
[40:00] these contracts together.
[40:02] Really thankful that there's no
[40:04] increase in our rates as well,
[40:06] because, you know, it's a tough
[40:08] time for cities and -- but, yet,
[40:09] you know, we are still providing
[40:10] the services and making sure
[40:13] that these contracts -- well,
[40:15] making sure that we don't
[40:16] increase the rates for the
[40:19] cities. And so I appreciate all
[40:20] that they've done. And I agree
[40:22] with our speakers that, you
[40:24] know, oc animal has made
[40:27] significant changes last year,
[40:29] you know, so please know that we
[40:31] appreciate you, but there is
[40:34] still some work to be done. And
[40:36] I -- you know, I know that
[40:38] you're working on a strategic
[40:41] plan. Staff has told my office
[40:44] that you're compiling a report
[40:47] to, you know -- on the 2018
[40:49] strategic plan that would be
[40:51] coming to the board. I'm hoping
[40:52] maybe if you can give us a
[40:53] report in the next 30 days on
[40:59] where you're at with that and
[41:03] when we will see it moving
[41:04] forward, whether it's a board
[41:05] hearing, then we will accept
[41:08] your report or a report to the
[41:09] board itself. So again, I'm
[41:11] excited to support this item and
[41:13] looking forward to more great
[41:17] things and collaboration with oc
[41:19] animal in the community. Thank
[41:19] you.
[41:20] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank
[41:23] you, supervisor nguyen.
[41:23] Supervisor sarmiento.
[41:24] >>vincente sarmiento: thank you,
[41:25] MR. Chair, and thank you to the
[41:27] speaker for his comments. I
[41:28] certainly appreciate and agree
[41:30] with them, and I want to
[41:35] actually also thank the
[41:36] community members that helped
[41:38] influence the changes that were
[41:39] made since, you know, I've been
[41:40] on this board and thank the
[41:42] staff at animal care, dillon and
[41:44] monica and others that made
[41:47] these changes that are very
[41:49] reasonable. So I do think we
[41:50] have a great outline of what we
[41:52] need to do with the strategic
[41:53] plan, and it was adopted in
[41:55] 2018. I simply think that we
[41:56] need to make sure that the
[42:01] public gets to see
[42:03] compliance,
[42:04] implementation, and those
[42:05] regular reports and making sure
[42:06] that we're meeting the metrics,
[42:08] the goals stated in that
[42:09] strategic plan. So to the
[42:10] extent that something is brought
[42:13] back, I think we need to do
[42:14] something on a periodic basis,
[42:15] and make sure that we're able to
[42:17] see almost as a dashboard,
[42:20] right, to see how we're doing on
[42:21] these different concerns that we
[42:23] have, that are outlined in the
[42:25] strategic plan. So I am
[42:27] supportive of all that's been
[42:30] said, and obviously on this
[42:31] underlying item, which is sort
[42:33] of unrelated to the strategic
[42:35] plan implementation. But I do
[42:37] think maybe we should bring
[42:37] something back that's a little
[42:40] bit more formal that will give
[42:41] some guidance on how to make
[42:42] sure we're complying with the
[42:43] strategic plan periodically for
[42:46] the public to see. So I am
[42:47] supportive these -- of the
[42:50] underlying item, as well. Thank
[42:50] you.
[42:51] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank
[42:54] you. Any more comment?
[42:57] Seeing none, we have a motion.
[42:58] Any objection? The item is
[43:03] approved. Thank you. Item 7.
[43:05] Is that where we're at? Item 7,
[43:07] yes. That would conclude our
[43:13] consent calendar.
[43:13] >>clerk, robin stieler: 7.
[43:14] Under Treasurer-Tax Collector-
[43:15] Approve transfer of funds
[43:16] ($62,669.16) From Probation Fund
[43:17] to Probation Victim Restitution
[43:18] Fund and transfer of escheated
[43:19] funds ($74,056.03) From
[43:19] Sheriff-Coroner Fund to County
[43:34] General Fund. It does require a
[43:34] vote.
[43:36] >>chair, doug chaffee: an
[43:37] all-district item.
[43:37] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
[43:37] the item.
[43:38] >>chair, doug chaffee: I'll
[43:41] second the item.
[43:42] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: no
[43:44] one wants to support this, I
[43:44] guess.
[43:45] >>chair, doug chaffee: any
[43:47] objection? Seeing none, it
[43:50] required a 4/5th vote. We
[43:51] have unanimous approval of that
[43:53] item. Item 8, please.
[43:53] >>clerk, robin stieler: 8.
[43:54] Under health care agency,
[43:55] Approve amendment 2 to renew
[43:56] contract ma-042-24010172 with
[43:57] The Regents of the University of
[43:58] California, on behalf of uc
[43:59] Irvine School of Medicine,
[44:00] Department of Psychiatry for
[44:01] physician services, 7/1/26-
[44:02] 6/30/28 ($1,210,000; cumulative
[44:02] total $3,025,000); And
[44:03] authorize County Procurement
[44:05] Officer or Deputized designee to
[44:08] execute amendment. We have no
[44:11] requests to speak on agenda item
[44:11] 8.
[44:12] >>chair, doug chaffee: lgt a
[44:13] district 2 item.
[44:15] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:
[44:15] second.
[44:16] >>chair, doug chaffee: any
[44:17] objection? Item is approved.
[44:18] Item 9, please.
[44:19] >>clerk, robin stieler: 9.
[44:20] Under health care agency,
[44:21] Approve amendment 6 to renew
[44:21] contract ma-042-23011035 with
[44:23] ocy Management, llc for
[44:24] non-emergency transportation
[44:24] services, 7/1/26-6/30/28
[44:25] ($1,000,000; cumulative total
[44:26] $4,650,000); and authorize
[44:26] County Procurement Officer or
[44:27] Deputized designee to execute
[44:30] amendment. We have no requests
[44:34] to speak on agenda item 9.
[44:35] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
[44:49] all-district item.
[44:49] >>clerk, robin stieler: 10.
[44:50] Under health care agency,
[44:51] approve amendment 6 to renew
[44:52] contract ma-042-20011621 with
[44:52] anaheim global medical center,
[44:53] inc. For inpatient hospital
[44:54] services for correctional health
[44:54] services, 7/1/26-6/30/28
[44:55] ($12,833,874; cumulative total
[44:56] $49,855,154); and authorize
[44:57] county procurement officer or
[44:57] deputized designee to execute
[45:00] amendment. S we have no
[45:01] requests to speak.
[45:02] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's a
[45:03] district 3 item.
[45:05] >>janet nguyen: thank you. I
[45:06] received a contribution of over
[45:09] $1,000 for ocy management back
[45:12] in 2025.
[45:13] Since the contribution exceeds
[45:21] the 500 threshold set by the
[45:23] management, I am recusing myself
[45:25] from participating in this
[45:26] discussion.
[45:29] >>leon page: and that was item 9
[45:31] and 10, supervisor, correct?
[45:32] Where you intend to recuse
[45:34] yourself? If the board would
[45:35] permit to reflect that
[45:38] supervisor nguyen did not
[45:39] participate in the board
[45:40] deliberation vote on item 9,
[45:42] which we already did, and now
[45:43] we're on number 10.
[45:45] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll
[45:51] move to re-open item 9 for --
[45:54] item no. 9 for a second vote.
[45:55] >>vincente sarmiento: I'll move
[45:56] the item.
[45:57] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:
[45:57] second.
[46:02] >>chair, doug chaffee: any
[46:02] objection?
[46:02] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: you
[46:10] have to make the disclosure.
[46:11] >>chair, doug chaffee: I'm not
[46:12] sure where we are here.
[46:13] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: now
[46:15] we have to vote on item 9.
[46:16] >>chair, doug chaffee: all
[46:20] right. We had a motion, and
[46:21] supervisor sarmiento would like
[46:23] to make a comment.
[46:25] >>vincente sarmiento: on item 10
[46:26] 10.
[46:27] >>chair, doug chaffee: okay.
[46:28] We're back to 9.
[46:31] >>vincente sarmiento: I moved
[46:32] item 9.
[46:32] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: and I
[46:33] seconded.
[46:33] >>chair, doug chaffee: any
[46:37] objection? Seeing none, item 9
[46:37] is approved.
[46:38] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: with
[46:39] one abstention.
[46:40] >>chair, doug chaffee: okay.
[46:43] With one abstention. Okay.
[46:45] Sorry. All right. That gave us
[46:47] a majority vote. Now we're on
[46:49] item 10, that's a district 2 and
[46:50] 3 item.
[46:52] >>vincente sarmiento: that,
[46:53] MR. Chair. I'd like to have
[46:55] DR. Kelly, if she can, maybe
[46:56] come and share some thoughts on
[46:57] this. I want to make sure that
[46:59] we are clear. I know this is
[47:05] for services for our in-custody
[47:07] population. So medical care and
[47:09] hospital care. So to the
[47:11] extent, DR. Kelly, if you could
[47:12] just walk us through.
[47:13] >>leon page: and I think
[47:15] supervisor nguyen has been
[47:16] announcement on this as well.
[47:17] >>janet nguyen: I do. I would
[47:18] like to also recuse myself from
[47:20] this vote, as well. I received
[47:23] a contribution of $2500 from
[47:24] strategic global management,
[47:27] inc. Which is affiliated with
[47:27] anaheim global medical center
[47:30] back on MAY 12th, 2025 for
[47:31] this item. I'm recushion myself
[47:32] from participating in any
[47:34] discussion or vote on this
[47:37] matter. Thank you.
[47:39] >>chair, doug chaffee: all
[47:44] right. Any more comments?
[47:45] >>speaker: good morning,
[47:46] CHAIRMAN Chaffee, honorable
[47:50] board. DR. Kelly, director of
[47:51] the orange county healthcare
[47:53] agency. Were there specific
[47:55] questions you had or you just
[47:55] want an overview.
[47:57] >>vincente sarmiento: I know we
[47:59] went to procurement for this.
[48:00] We had two responses. I know
[48:02] that anaheim global is the
[48:03] prevailing bidder on this.
[48:05] Number one, explain what the
[48:06] item is, it's an important one,
[48:08] and number 2, what are your
[48:10] thoughts going forward? Does
[48:12] this benefit the county? I know
[48:14] this is trying to include
[48:16] cal-aim to be able to maybe
[48:18] address some of the cost
[48:20] concerns. But if you can,
[48:20] please --
[48:22] >>speaker: this stem to renew
[48:23] inpatient services for
[48:26] correctional health. And so the
[48:27] vendor is anaheim global medical
[48:29] center. They provide medical
[48:32] care for inmates who require
[48:34] outpatient specialty care such
[48:36] as dialysis that can't be done
[48:39] in custody or inpatient care, if
[48:40] someone is having a cardiac
[48:42] issue, they're giving birth. So
[48:45] they provide that medical care.
[48:46] >>vincente sarmiento: who are we
[48:49] billing for this? Who's paying
[48:49] for this.
[48:51] >>speaker: none of that is
[48:53] billable to any insurance. That
[48:55] is full net county cost. The
[48:57] item you talked about cal-aim
[48:59] jail in range is for a very
[49:01] specific cost that would not
[49:02] include these services. It
[49:03] would include some services we
[49:05] provide for correctional health,
[49:07] evaluations, medical evaluations
[49:08] of inmates, providing
[49:09] medication. And we are going to
[49:12] start that APRIL 1st, and we
[49:13] can only provide that and bill
[49:16] the state for those services,
[49:18] for people who are eligible for
[49:19] medi-cal, and that would be for
[49:22] 90 days prior to their release.
[49:25] Carnals so 83% of this is born
[49:29] by the county, that county cost
[49:29] 17% realignment dollars. Your
[49:31] recommendation, we just went out
[49:33] on an rfp, do you think we
[49:35] should go out on one soon
[49:35] after.
[49:36] >>speaker: we are going to be
[49:38] starting another rfp. Usually
[49:41] they take 12 to 18 months. This
[49:42] is harder service to find
[49:43] appropriate vendors for because
[49:45] of the population and the
[49:46] custody, the hard custody
[49:49] requirements. So change in the
[49:50] actual building space itself.
[49:52] So we will be shortly after --
[49:54] if this report approves, we will
[49:56] go out for another rfp.
[49:57] >>vincente sarmiento: I'm
[49:58] supportive of that. That's what
[50:00] I wanted to get on the the
[50:02] record make sure that that's
[50:04] understood, giving my support
[50:04] for this item. I'll go ahead
[50:07] and move this item based on
[50:09] attempt that from your team.
[50:10] Thanks.
[50:11] >>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
[50:14] seconded. Was there an
[50:14] abstention?
[50:15] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: yes.
[50:15] >>chair, doug chaffee: noting
[50:19] the abstention, the item is
[50:23] approved, 4 votes. Item 11,
[50:24] please.
[50:24] >>clerk, robin stieler: 11.
[50:25] Under health care agency,
[50:26] approve amendment 2 to renew
[50:26] contract ma-042-23011108 with
[50:27] sdxray inc. For direct digital
[50:29] radiology services for
[50:30] correctional health services
[50:31] programs, 7/1/26-6/30/28
[50:31] ($4,214,240; cumulative total
[50:32] $10,535,600); and authorize
[50:33] county procurement officer or
[50:36] deputized designee to execute amendment.
[50:37] We have no requests to speak on
[50:38] agenda item 11.
[50:39] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's a
[50:40] district 2 and 3 item. Moved
[50:42] and seconded. Any objection?
[50:45] The item is approved. Item 12,
[50:45] please.
[50:46] >>clerk, robin stieler: 12.
[50:47] Under health care agency,
[50:48] approve amendment 2 to renew
[50:49] contract ma-042-23011109 with
[50:50] correctional managed care,
[50:51] medical corporation, for
[50:52] physician services for
[50:53] correctional health services
[50:54] programs, 7/1/26-6/30/28
[50:54] ($6,955,868; cumulative total
[50:55] $16,410,125); and authorize
[50:56] county procurement officer or
[50:59] deputized designee to execute amendment.
[51:01] We have no requests to speak on
[51:01] agenda item 12.
[51:02] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's a
[51:05] district 2 and 3 item. Any
[51:07] objection? Item is approved.
[51:09] Item 13, please.
[51:10] >>clerk, robin stieler: 13.
[51:11] Under john wayne airport,
[51:12] approve subordinate contract
[51:13] ma-280-26010529 with siemens
[51:14] industry, inc. For facility
[51:15] security systems, equipment, and
[51:16] software with related services,
[51:17] 4/23/26-2/18/29 ($2,800,000);
[51:18] renewable for one additional
[51:18] two-year term; authorize county
[51:20] procurement officer or deputized
[51:21] designee to execute contract;
[51:22] and make californi environmental
[51:23] quality act (Ceqa) Exemption
[51:23] findings under ceqa guidelines
[51:26] section 15378. We have no
[51:28] requests to speak on agenda item
[51:29] 13.
[51:30] >>chair, doug chaffee: item 13 a
[51:31] district 5 item.
[51:32] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
[51:34] the item.
[51:35] >>chair, doug chaffee: any
[51:38] objection? Motion carries.
[51:41] Unanimously. Next item is 14.
[51:42] >>clerk, robin stieler: 14.
[51:43] Under oc community resources,
[51:43] approve amendment 1 to contract
[51:45] ma-012-25011237 with citiguard,
[51:46] inc. For unarmed security guard
[51:47] services at various county
[51:48] library branch locations, 4/1/26
[51:49] -3/31/30 ($2,050,000;
[51:50] cumulative total $2,250,000);
[51:51] and authorize county procurement
[51:52] officer or deputized designee to
[51:53] execute amendment and future
[51:56] amendments under certain conditions.
[51:58] Question have no requests to
[51:59] speak on agenda item 14.
[52:02] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
[52:02] all-district item.
[52:03] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
[52:03] the item.
[52:04] >>chair, doug chaffee: any
[52:05] objection? Item is approved.
[52:08] Item 15, please.
[52:08] >>clerk, robin stieler: 15.
[52:09] Under oc community resources,
[52:10] approve amendment 7 to contract
[52:11] ma-012-23011443 with council on
[52:12] aging-southern california,
[52:13] inc. For senior health insurance
[52:13] counseling and advocacy program
[52:14] services, 4/1/26-3/31/27
[52:15] ($601,668; cumulative total
[52:16] $1,808,627); and authorize
[52:17] county procurement officer or
[52:18] deputized designee to execute
[52:24] amendment and future amendments
[52:27] under certain conditions. We
[52:28] have no requests to speak.
[52:30] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
[52:31] all-district item. Any
[52:33] objection? Item is approved.
[52:35] Item 16.
[52:36] >>clerk, robin stieler: 16.
[52:37] Under oc public works, adopt
[52:38] resolution initiating 2026 weed
[52:39] abatement program and setting
[52:40] public hearing for 4/14/26, 9:30
[52:41] A.M. To consider assessment to
[52:42] private property for cost
[52:43] removal of weeds by county or
[52:44] contractor; and make california
[52:45] environmental quality act (Ceqa)
[52:50] Exemption findings under ceqa
[52:54] guidelines section 15304. We
[52:56] have no requests to speak on
[52:56] agenda item 16.
[52:58] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
[53:00] all-district item. Moved and
[53:01] seconded. Any objection?
[53:05] Motion carries. Item 17, please
[53:06] please.
[53:06] >>clerk, robin stieler: 17.
[53:07] Under oc public works, approve
[53:08] aggregate contract
[53:09] ma-080-26010053 with various
[53:10] contractors for sanitation and
[53:11] remediation removal &
[53:12] decontamination services, 3/9/26
[53:13] -3/8/29 (Aggregate total
[53:14] $1,800,000); renewable for one
[53:14] additional two-year term;
[53:15] authorize county procurement
[53:16] officer or deputized designee to
[53:17] execute contract; and make
[53:18] california environmental
[53:19] quality act (Ceqa) Exemption
[53:19] findings under ceqa guidelines
[53:23] sections 15301 and 15308 we have
[53:26] no if to speak on agenda item
[53:27] 17.
[53:28] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
[53:29] all-district item.
[53:30] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:
[53:30] second.
[53:31] >>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
[53:32] seconded, any objection? Motion
[53:34] approved. I'd like now to move
[53:40] to item 28.
[53:41] >>clerk, robin stieler: 28.
[53:42] Under county executive office-
[53:43] acting as the orange county
[53:44] board of supervisors and orange
[53:44] county flood control district-
[53:45] adopt 2026 contract policy
[53:46] manual, effective 2/24/26
[53:48] 2/24/26; authorize county
[53:50] executive officer or designee to
[53:52] make changes under certain
[53:54] conditions; and adopt amended
[53:55] resolution authorizing director
[53:56] of oc public works,
[53:58] sheriff-coroner or designees to
[54:00] advertise bids in accordance
[54:02] with public contract code
[54:09] sections 22037, 22032(C) And 20128.5.
[54:11] We have no if to speak on agenda
[54:12] item 28.
[54:13] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
[54:14] all-district item.
[54:17] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
[54:17] the item.
[54:18] >>janet nguyen: I have a
[54:20] question, MR. CHAIRMAN
[54:21] supervisor supervisor nguyen.
[54:22] Go ahead.
[54:28] >>janet nguyen: any staff here?
[54:31] Maria, just, real quick, I
[54:35] know -- first, thank you. You
[54:37] did a phenomenal job in putting
[54:39] all of our thoughts and comments
[54:41] and questions from last week --
[54:43] or two weeks ago now. My only
[54:45] question is, I know that you've
[54:46] mentioned this, but I wanted to
[54:49] make sure that the -- under the
[54:51] board's approval on the power
[54:55] presentation, it says -- where
[54:57] it describes the changes to rfp
[54:59] and rfq comes to the board for
[55:01] selection and then staff
[55:02] negotiates the contract and then
[55:04] comes back to the board for
[55:07] final approval. But on the
[55:10] package itself, I don't see the
[55:14] rfp. I only see rfq. Am I
[55:16] missing somewhere? I just want
[55:17] to make sure that it is
[55:22] consistent and that it's in the
[55:24] manual.
[55:24] >>speaker: good morning,
[55:27] CHAIRMAN, vice-chair, members of
[55:29] the board. Yes, the change
[55:32] applies to all ASRs for
[55:33] contract award.
[55:35] >>janet nguyen: so rfp and --
[55:36] >>speaker: any contracts coming
[55:37] to the board. They will now
[55:39] come one time for selection
[55:41] earlier on in the process,
[55:43] asking for authority to then
[55:44] negotiate an award. But we will
[55:46] be coming earlier in the
[55:47] process.
[55:48] >>janet nguyen: okay. So that's
[55:53] not just an rfq for joc and a&e
[55:55] contracts, but for all.
[55:56] >>speaker: any contract coming
[55:58] to the board for award.
[55:59] >>janet nguyen: okay. Is it
[56:00] somewhere here? Because I just
[56:01] want to make sure that a year
[56:03] from now when we're talking
[56:04] about the manual, they're like,
[56:07] we only did what the manual
[56:07] says.
[56:11] >>speaker: cpm is silent on that
[56:13] procedural asr procedure. So
[56:15] the change also be in the
[56:18] procedures manual as well as the
[56:20] asr guidance dewpoints. So cpm
[56:21] is kind of silent on the process
[56:22] to get board approval.
[56:24] >>janet nguyen: why?
[56:26] >>speaker: because we refer to
[56:27] the asr guidance document and
[56:28] our producers manual.
[56:30] >>janet nguyen: when you have
[56:32] that, can you send it up to us.
[56:33] >>speaker: definitely.
[56:34] >>janet nguyen: thank you.
[56:35] >>chair, doug chaffee:
[56:36] supervisor sarmiento.
[56:37] >>vincente sarmiento: thank you,
[56:38] MR. Chair, and thank you, marie
[56:39] back for you and your team
[56:41] making sure -- I think
[56:42] everything that was discussed at
[56:43] the last meeting was included.
[56:45] Sounds like it was pretty
[56:46] comprehensive. Just going back
[56:47] to the question that supervisor
[56:48] nguyen was asking, the one
[56:50] change about having the items,
[56:53] these contracts come to the
[56:56] board first to give authority
[56:57] for you and your team to
[56:58] negotiate or for the contracts
[57:00] to be negotiated, so we'll be
[57:03] seeing these in advance of that.
[57:05] Does it come back to us, or is
[57:06] it pretty much once we give
[57:08] authority for you to then
[57:10] negotiate those contracts, are
[57:11] you now delegated with that?
[57:13] >>speaker: we will be asking for
[57:14] that delegated authority.
[57:16] However, the board has the
[57:17] opportunity to ask us to come
[57:21] back for an a -- back forward at
[57:22] any gufn time.
[57:23] >>vincente sarmiento: when you
[57:25] bring back the results of, you
[57:28] know, the rfp, rfq, it will come
[57:29] with no staff recommendation.
[57:32] It simply comes back with data?
[57:34] >>speaker: he will come back
[57:36] with the rank order of the
[57:37] results of the evaluation.
[57:39] >>vincente sarmiento: look, to
[57:40] me -- and I understand, you
[57:41] know, what we're doing. We want
[57:43] to be more objective, maybe a
[57:44] more open process for the board
[57:46] to be able to make a decision.
[57:49] I just want you to know, my
[57:50] understanding of staff
[57:53] recommending the way we have the
[57:54] existing procedure now where
[57:56] staff would come back and
[57:58] recommend a vendor or vendors
[58:00] based upon, you know, the
[58:02] procurement process, I always
[58:03] thought, was fair. That doesn't
[58:04] mean that this board has to
[58:06] follow staff's recommendation.
[58:08] It could deviate for whatever
[58:10] reason. We could just see
[58:11] things a little differently.
[58:14] But the guidance from an
[58:15] unbiased, technical subject
[58:16] matter, you know, a group of
[58:19] people on panels, that are
[58:21] taking a deeper dive on this has
[58:24] always been instructive. Not
[58:25] depositive, but, you know,
[58:27] helpful. So, you know, I didn't
[58:29] want that to be lost. But at
[58:33] the same time I think maybe the
[58:36] school board looking at having
[58:41] an unvarnished, you know, no
[58:44] preference from staff on this.
[58:45] But I don't know if a hybrid
[58:47] would be better where it comes
[58:48] to us early and the staff gives
[58:50] us their thoughts on, you know,
[58:53] what they believe would be the
[58:55] preferential vendor or the
[58:57] vendor that, you know, seems to
[58:58] be better suited, based on
[58:59] costs, experience, business
[59:01] plan, whatever criteria we have.
[59:04] I just didn't want to dismiss
[59:05] all our subject matter experts
[59:07] that are able to, you know, take
[59:09] a deeper dive than we would on
[59:12] this. Again, just for guidance.
[59:14] Not for any rubber stamping or
[59:16] doing anything else. It's just
[59:19] simply been helpful. So go
[59:20] ahead, maria.
[59:21] >>speaker: one suggestion is we
[59:24] could put in the background
[59:26] information of each asr based on
[59:31] the information or evaluation --
[59:34] or information contained the
[59:34] staff -- we could provide some
[59:35] sort of recommendation based on
[59:36] the information collected
[59:37] through the evaluation process.
[59:38] >>vincente sarmiento: right.
[59:39] And that doesn't mean that's
[59:40] going, to again, determine where
[59:42] this board is going to go. We
[59:43] could certainly take that into
[59:44] consideration or not and just
[59:46] simply, you know, go in a
[59:48] different direction. I do think
[59:50] having staff give us some idea
[59:52] and some sense of the rationale
[59:56] of how we arrived at ranking and
[59:58] how these different applicants
[1:00:00] did, I think, is fair. So to
[1:00:02] the extent that would be
[1:00:03] something that could be included
[1:00:04] in the process, again, that
[1:00:07] would be helpful, I think, as --
[1:00:08] you know, for the public as well
[1:00:10] as for us.
[1:00:11] >>speaker: there is procedural
[1:00:12] language until background of
[1:00:14] asr. We could put something in
[1:00:15] there and draft it and extend to
[1:00:18] the board's office for your
[1:00:18] concurrence.
[1:00:21] >>janet nguyen: MR. CHAIRMAN?
[1:00:21] MAY I?
[1:00:23] >>chair, doug chaffee:
[1:00:24] supervisor foley is next.
[1:00:24] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
[1:00:27] you. Mine will be quick. I
[1:00:30] just want to thank your team in
[1:00:31] procurement as well as all of
[1:00:34] the department procurement team
[1:00:36] members for helping us get
[1:00:37] through this process. It's my
[1:00:40] understanding that you all took
[1:00:43] another look, and the $3 million
[1:00:46] was gonna be okay in terms of
[1:00:48] efficiencies, and so I think
[1:00:50] this contract policy manual
[1:00:52] helps us to accomplish two
[1:00:54] things. It keeps us efficient
[1:00:57] in our progression and prevents
[1:01:00] us from having any delays in our
[1:01:02] projects, but also, you another
[1:01:05] a little bit more oversight and
[1:01:07] accountability by the board.
[1:01:09] And I'm hoping that if at all
[1:01:12] you think that it's starting to
[1:01:15] bog down, that you will alert
[1:01:17] us, because we have a lot of
[1:01:19] projects underway. We don't
[1:01:23] want to get bogged down. And so
[1:01:27] please do alert us. Thank you.
[1:01:28] >>chair, doug chaffee:
[1:01:28] supervisor nguyen.
[1:01:29] >>janet nguyen: thank you,
[1:01:30] MR. CHAIRMAN. I want to follow
[1:01:32] up on what supervisor sarmiento
[1:01:34] mentioned. My understanding is
[1:01:38] that staff would do your panel
[1:01:39] interview and everything, and
[1:01:40] then you would give us all that
[1:01:42] data so we would know -- because
[1:01:44] staff would usually take the
[1:01:45] highest score. So we would know
[1:01:46] that would be the selection of
[1:01:48] staff, and then we would be up
[1:01:50] here making that decision. And
[1:01:51] the only reason is last year we
[1:01:55] had so many of those came here
[1:01:56] afterward, and staff was -- put
[1:01:59] so much time in getting these
[1:02:00] contracts and everything
[1:02:02] negotiated, and then you had to
[1:02:05] start over. And so that's why,
[1:02:08] you know -- so it isn't that
[1:02:09] we're just being handed, here,
[1:02:10] have at it. You're going to
[1:02:12] give us the data, the panel,
[1:02:13] scoring, and all of that
[1:02:16] information, and then we get to
[1:02:17] make that -- we would then
[1:02:19] deliberate and make that
[1:02:19] decision.
[1:02:20] >>speaker: correct.
[1:02:22] >>janet nguyen: thank you.
[1:02:22] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank
[1:02:24] you. I'd like to thank you for
[1:02:26] the incredible line of work the
[1:02:28] staff has put in. It's been a
[1:02:30] long haul. And thank you for
[1:02:32] helping us understand the
[1:02:35] definition of "commodities" a
[1:02:36] little better. It's more than
[1:02:38] just gold and silver bars. And
[1:02:41] with that, I think we have a
[1:02:44] motion. Any objection? The
[1:02:46] item is approved. Thank you for
[1:02:47] your good work.
[1:02:48] >>speaker: thank you.
[1:02:48] >>chair, doug chaffee: and now
[1:03:00] we come back to item 18.
[1:03:01] 18. Approve job order contracts
[1:03:01] with various contractors for
[1:03:02] general contracting services,
[1:03:03] oneyear term ($5,000,000 each);
[1:03:04] and authorize director or
[1:03:07] designee to execute contracts.
[1:03:08] And we have no requests to speak
[1:03:09] on item 18.
[1:03:11] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
[1:03:13] all-district item. Supervisor
[1:03:13] wagner.
[1:03:14] >>don wagner: before we do that,
[1:03:19] though, I think this is an item
[1:03:20] that's $5 million per contract,
[1:03:23] and we just talked about and
[1:03:27] voted on $3 million. How is
[1:03:29] this going to work? Kevin, can
[1:03:33] you live with $3 million? Or do
[1:03:34] you want to add some other
[1:03:36] companies to make up the
[1:03:38] difference, or how -- help me
[1:03:40] square these two. I just didn't
[1:03:46] want this to fly past us.
[1:03:48] >>michelle aguirre: kevin,
[1:03:48] before you respond, I think as
[1:03:50] part the policy, right, the ends
[1:03:53] something for most types of
[1:03:55] contracts, most types of work,
[1:03:58] the $3 million will suffice.
[1:03:59] But there are some areas like
[1:04:01] the one that you see before you,
[1:04:03] the general contracting, where
[1:04:05] at least for this upcoming year,
[1:04:07] based on the number of projects,
[1:04:08] the analysis that staff has
[1:04:11] done, a higher amount is
[1:04:15] warranted, and departments would
[1:04:17] bring those requests based on
[1:04:18] their analysis. You MAY
[1:04:20] occasionally see something that
[1:04:21] deviates from the $3 million,
[1:04:23] about you has to be justified by
[1:04:24] the department, and then that's
[1:04:26] why we've got kevin here, to
[1:04:27] explain a little bit more
[1:04:29] related to the general
[1:04:32] contracting.
[1:04:33] >>speaker: CHAIRMAN Chaffee,
[1:04:36] members of the board, kevin
[1:04:37] aloom know, oc public works.
[1:04:39] The reason why we're
[1:04:42] recommending a higher dollar
[1:04:45] amount is joc contracts are low
[1:04:47] bid. If we went with the $3
[1:04:49] million limit, we had 17
[1:04:50] responsive bids, we'd be using
[1:04:52] the contractors with the highest
[1:04:53] prices, so we'd be paying more
[1:04:56] for the work. That why we're
[1:04:57] recommending fewer contracts at
[1:04:59] a higher dollar amount so we can
[1:05:02] keep it at more of the low
[1:05:03] bidders.
[1:05:06] >>don wagner: is that true of
[1:05:10] all joc contracts?
[1:05:12] >>speaker: well, the joc
[1:05:13] contracts for general
[1:05:14] contracting as michelle said
[1:05:15] tend to be a larger dollar
[1:05:18] amount. The other joc contracts
[1:05:21] when it's specific to a trade,
[1:05:23] plumbing and so on, the need for
[1:05:25] those are the project size and
[1:05:27] total dollar amounts tending to
[1:05:27] smaller.
[1:05:28] >>don wagner: so despite our
[1:05:30] policy and putting the $3
[1:05:31] million into the contract policy
[1:05:33] manual you expect on general
[1:05:35] contracting to keep coming back
[1:05:38] to us for higher amounts? So we
[1:05:40] should just be prepared for
[1:05:40] that?
[1:05:42] >>speaker: in general, yes. But
[1:05:44] it depends on the capital
[1:05:45] projects that are approved by
[1:05:47] the board. If we have less,
[1:05:49] maybe we can get by with the
[1:05:49] smaller dollar amount.
[1:05:50] >>don wagner: all right. Thank
[1:05:55] you. I'll move the item.
[1:05:56] >>chair, doug chaffee: if I MAY
[1:05:59] comment, when we do the asr and
[1:06:02] it exceeds the policy amount,
[1:06:03] then we shrewed a paragraph in
[1:06:06] there describing that and
[1:06:08] justifying it, if we can have
[1:06:09] that in the future ASRs,
[1:06:11] that'd be helpful.
[1:06:12] >>speaker: will do.
[1:06:12] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank
[1:06:13] you. Supervisor sarmiento.
[1:06:14] >>vincente sarmiento: and the
[1:06:16] chair just kind of said exactly
[1:06:17] weigh intended to say. Are we
[1:06:20] calling this an exemption, an
[1:06:21] exception, a justification?
[1:06:22] What term of art are we going to
[1:06:25] see in that additional
[1:06:26] paragraph, just so we're clear
[1:06:28] on the term? Maybe we should
[1:06:31] and our county counsel, I'm not
[1:06:39] sure if -- I've heard exemption,
[1:06:42] i've heard exception.
[1:06:44] >>speaker: we can develop that
[1:06:45] language and alert the board.
[1:06:46] >>vincente sarmiento: and I
[1:06:47] appreciate the $3 million
[1:06:48] because when I saw the data that
[1:06:50] you sent our office, the bulk of
[1:06:51] the contracts are $3 million and
[1:06:53] below. So that's why we landed
[1:06:56] on this amount. There are --
[1:06:57] there obviously were other
[1:06:58] contracts outside of that
[1:06:59] amount, but the bell curve, I
[1:07:02] guess if you look at it, was the
[1:07:04] median washed $3 million and
[1:07:05] below. I just want to make sure
[1:07:06] we have our terms correct.
[1:07:08] >>speaker: we will get that out
[1:07:08] to you.
[1:07:09] >>vincente sarmiento: thank
[1:07:10] you.
[1:07:11] >>chair, doug
[1:07:12] thank you
[1:07:13] vice-chair foley.
[1:07:14] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
[1:07:19] you. I'm not sure what we're
[1:07:21] going to get because that was
[1:07:23] the language we voted on. We
[1:07:24] specifically added that sentence
[1:07:26] that said for anything above $3
[1:07:28] million we would come to the
[1:07:29] board with a justification.
[1:07:31] It's not an exemption. It's
[1:07:32] just justification, for
[1:07:33] exceeding the $3 million. So I
[1:07:36] feel like we already have it in
[1:07:37] there. If we're going to change
[1:07:40] it, what do we need to change it
[1:07:42] to? We've already said it.
[1:07:44] >>vincente sarmiento: the only
[1:07:44] reason why I mentioned it is
[1:07:47] because I've heard exemption
[1:07:48] from staff exceptions as well.
[1:07:49] If we're not going to use
[1:07:51] justification, I wanted to see
[1:07:52] if there was any other language
[1:07:54] besides that. But if it's
[1:07:55] justification, then that's the
[1:07:56] term.
[1:07:58] >>michelle aguirre: departments
[1:08:01] will be required, right, to
[1:08:03] justify it within the background
[1:08:07] exception of the asr. But what
[1:08:08] the asr document does is provide
[1:08:10] standard like template language
[1:08:11] so that when you see, that we
[1:08:14] have consistent language across
[1:08:15] all ASRs for all departments
[1:08:17] that kind of lead up to that
[1:08:19] justification. So that's what
[1:08:21] maria was referring to. We can
[1:08:22] provide that standard language.
[1:08:23] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: so it
[1:08:25] will say "justification" and
[1:08:26] then whatever it is.
[1:08:27] >>michelle aguirre: exactly.
[1:08:28] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.
[1:08:28] Thank you.
[1:08:29] >>chair, doug chaffee:
[1:08:30] supervisor nguyen.
[1:08:31] >>janet nguyen: thank you,
[1:08:34] MR. CHAIRMAN. So kevin...
[1:08:37] What are these projects? What's
[1:08:40] the $5 million each company --
[1:08:42] what are they doing?
[1:08:43] >>speaker: the projects are
[1:08:46] listed in attachment m. So
[1:08:47] they're the projects that have
[1:08:50] been approved by the board as a
[1:08:52] product of capital improvement
[1:08:54] projects with the budget or with
[1:09:00] the sfp. It includes projects
[1:09:03] for fy25/26 and also projects
[1:09:06] that were included in the sfp
[1:09:18] for fy '26/27 and on.
[1:09:20] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:
[1:09:24] libraries, public parks, --
[1:09:26] public works, the gas
[1:09:29] compressors, probation, juvenile
[1:09:31] hall, sprinkler system, it's on
[1:09:33] page 18 of the staff report.
[1:09:35] Orangewood children family
[1:09:37] center rehab, the manchester
[1:09:39] office building, several
[1:09:41] different ada and fire panel
[1:09:43] upgrades. A lot of parks,
[1:09:45] libraries, town valley library
[1:09:50] roof, hvac, westminster roof
[1:09:53] hvac, interior refresh for the
[1:09:57] library..
[1:09:59] >>janet nguyen: thank you. And
[1:10:02] I think what would be helpful,
[1:10:06] kevin, is maybe this page should
[1:10:09] be part of it, asr, so we see
[1:10:10] right away what these projects
[1:10:12] are or what you're working on
[1:10:13] versus having it in the back.
[1:10:15] Because I think -- you know, I
[1:10:17] want to also make sure that the
[1:10:19] public knows that we are giving
[1:10:21] you the $5 million outside the
[1:10:23] manual. I mean, basically it's
[1:10:26] your justification.
[1:10:29] >>speaker: so put in the body of
[1:10:31] the asr instead of the
[1:10:31] attachment.
[1:10:34] >>janet nguyen: yes, thank you.
[1:10:34] >>speaker: okay.
[1:10:35] >>chair, doug chaffee: all
[1:10:37] right. We have a motion. Any
[1:10:37] objection? Item is approved.
[1:10:55] Thank you. Item 19, please.
[1:10:55] >>clerk, robin stieler: 19.
[1:10:56] Under oc public works, consider
[1:10:57] second reading and adoption of
[1:10:57] "an ordinance of the county of
[1:10:58] orange, state of california,
[1:11:00] amending sections 3-14-2 through
[1:11:01] 3-14-16, 5-1-31, 5-1-33 and
[1:11:02] 7-9-103 of the codified
[1:11:04] ordinances of the county of
[1:11:05] orange"; and adopt resolution
[1:11:08] adopting zoning code amendment
[1:11:09] ca 25-02 (County of orange
[1:11:11] commercial cannabis activities
[1:11:13] and outdoor personal cultivation
[1:11:17] prohibition ordinance). Woe have
[1:11:19] no requests to speak on agenda
[1:11:19] item 19.
[1:11:21] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
[1:11:21] all-district item.
[1:11:22] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
[1:11:23] the item.
[1:11:24] >>chair, doug chaffee: all
[1:11:26] right. This is an interesting
[1:11:29] item in that we catch property
[1:11:32] owners who are profiting well
[1:11:34] illegal cannabis trade. I think
[1:11:35] it's a good ordinance. Any
[1:11:36] objection? Motion carries.
[1:11:43] thank you. Item 20 please.
[1:11:44] >>clerk, robin stieler: 20.
[1:11:45] Under oc waster & recycling,
[1:11:46] approve amendment 1 to renew
[1:11:47] contract ma-299-22011684 with
[1:11:48] stearns, conrad and schmidt,
[1:11:50] consulting engineers dba scs
[1:11:51] field services for landfill gas
[1:11:52] services, central region,
[1:11:52] 4/10/26-4/9/28 ($11,000,000;
[1:11:53] cumulative total $27,500,000);
[1:11:55] authorize county procurement
[1:11:56] officer or deputized designee to
[1:11:57] make minor changes under certain
[1:11:58] conditions and execute
[1:11:59] amendment; and make california
[1:12:00] environmental quality act (Ceqa)
[1:12:01] Exemption findings under ceqa
[1:12:03] guidelines sections 15301,
[1:12:07] 15304, and 15308. We have no
[1:12:09] requests to speak on agenda item
[1:12:09] 20.
[1:12:10] >>chair, doug chaffee: this is a
[1:12:12] district 2, 3, and 5 item.
[1:12:13] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:
[1:12:13] second.
[1:12:14] >>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
[1:12:15] seconded. Any objection? Item
[1:12:18] is approved. Item 21, please.
[1:12:18] >>clerk, robin stieler: 21.
[1:12:19] Under oc waste & recycling,
[1:12:20] adopt county of orange climate
[1:12:22] action planning document; direct
[1:12:23] staff to begin implementation
[1:12:25] phase and analysis; and make
[1:12:26] california environmental quality
[1:12:27] act (Ceqa) Exemption findings
[1:12:28] under ceqa guidelines section
[1:12:31] 15262 and public resources code
[1:12:37] sections 21083 and 21150. And
[1:12:38] MR. Chair, we very received
[1:12:40] three requests to speak on
[1:12:41] agenda item 21.
[1:12:42] >>chair, doug chaffee: please
[1:12:44] call the speakers.
[1:12:47] >>clerk, robin stieler: paulina
[1:12:51] alvarez, anna gromas, and jeff
[1:12:58] weaver.
[1:12:59] >>speaker: good morning, chair
[1:13:01] chaffee and members of the
[1:13:03] board. My name is paulina
[1:13:04] alvarez, and I'm the government
[1:13:05] affairs manager for the orange
[1:13:07] county business council. We
[1:13:08] support thoughtful,
[1:13:10] cost-effective, and achievable
[1:13:11] climate policies and appreciates
[1:13:14] the county's efforts to address
[1:13:16] greenhouse gas emissions and
[1:13:18] sustainability. Our concern is
[1:13:20] chapter 4 community climate
[1:13:22] action introduces measures that
[1:13:25] could create uncertainty and
[1:13:27] unintended consequences for
[1:13:29] house production, economic
[1:13:30] development and private
[1:13:31] investment in un-incorporated
[1:13:34] areas. Measure cm2 reduce
[1:13:37] vehicles miles travels vmt
[1:13:40] encourages reduction of vmt
[1:13:41] through public outreach and
[1:13:43] incentives. Our concern is vmt
[1:13:46] is already regulated under state
[1:13:51] law including sb-743 and ceqa.
[1:13:53] Additional local measures could
[1:13:55] duplicate standards and increase
[1:13:59] entitlement uncertainty and ce1
[1:14:01] promotes building
[1:14:03] decarbonization. The concern is
[1:14:06] it could raise construction
[1:14:08] costs, constrain housing supply
[1:14:09] and complicate private
[1:14:11] development particularly amid
[1:14:12] california's housing
[1:14:14] affordability crisis.
[1:14:15] Incorporating the cap into the
[1:14:17] general plan could
[1:14:18] unintentionally turn
[1:14:20] aspirational goals into binding
[1:14:23] land use standards raising
[1:14:24] secret disputes and feasibility
[1:14:26] challenges. Ocbc recommends the
[1:14:28] following, remove chapter 4
[1:14:30] community climate action from
[1:14:32] phase 2, avoid incorporating
[1:14:34] community cap measures into the
[1:14:35] general plan in a way that
[1:14:36] affects private development, and
[1:14:38] focus the cap on county
[1:14:39] operations and facilities to
[1:14:42] ensure clarity and legal
[1:14:43] defensibility and
[1:14:45] economic competitiveness. Ocbc
[1:14:46] remains committed to
[1:14:47] collaborating with the county on
[1:14:49] climate strategies that are
[1:14:50] effective, achievable and
[1:14:52] supportive of orange county's
[1:14:54] economy. Thank you for your
[1:14:56] time.
[1:14:58] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank
[1:15:00] you.
[1:15:02] >>speaker: good morning, chair
[1:15:06] chaffee and supervisors. Anna
[1:15:09] gromas here representing the
[1:15:10] building industry association in
[1:15:13] the orange county chapter. The
[1:15:14] first outline was OCTOBER of
[1:15:15] 2025 and the second one being in
[1:15:18] JANUARY of 2026, we still have
[1:15:19] concerns with the cap as it is
[1:15:22] written in chapter 4 is still
[1:15:23] problematic to us. There's a
[1:15:25] lot of combyity that surrounds
[1:15:28] the language on decarbon sayings
[1:15:31] and vmt. We kindly ask that
[1:15:32] that section be omitted from the
[1:15:35] cap. In addition in the
[1:15:36] JANUARY 2026 draft comprehensive
[1:15:38] general plan update that is
[1:15:40] currently out for public review,
[1:15:41] implementation of the cap was
[1:15:43] listed as an action item under
[1:15:44] the resource management elements
[1:15:46] section. The building industry
[1:15:47] is justifiably concerned that
[1:15:48] incorporating the climate action
[1:15:50] plan into the general plan will
[1:15:52] unintentionally turn advisory
[1:15:54] climate objectives into binding
[1:15:55] land use mandates. When goals
[1:15:57] are elevated into the general
[1:15:59] plan, they assume the same legal
[1:16:01] bhait weight as other general
[1:16:03] plan policies. That the county
[1:16:05] must use when conditioning,
[1:16:07] approving or denying development
[1:16:10] complications. If the cap is
[1:16:11] incorporated into the --
[1:16:12] development applications. If
[1:16:14] the cap is incorporated, there's
[1:16:16] a significant risk that the
[1:16:18] broad, long-term community
[1:16:19] greenhouse gas reduction goals
[1:16:21] could be applied rigidly to
[1:16:22] individual projects without
[1:16:25] consideration or proportionality
[1:16:27] or feasibility. It would switch
[1:16:28] the cap from a planning guide
[1:16:30] into a binding standard of
[1:16:33] review. Developers could be
[1:16:34] required to prove that their
[1:16:36] projects meet community wide
[1:16:39] goals. This creates entitlement
[1:16:41] risks and the potential for ceqa
[1:16:43] disputes over targets that were
[1:16:44] originally meant to be
[1:16:45] aspirational and not mandatory.
[1:16:46] From the beginning the county
[1:16:48] indicated that the cap would not
[1:16:48] be applied to private
[1:16:51] development and un-incorporated
[1:16:53] areas. The cap goals should
[1:16:54] remove references to private
[1:16:55] development, should not be
[1:16:55] incorporated into the general
[1:16:59] plan as doing so could turn
[1:17:00] community-wide aspirations into
[1:17:03] inflexible and enforceable
[1:17:04] mandates on individual prisons.
[1:17:05] We thank you for your time and
[1:17:06] consideration, and we look
[1:17:07] forward to continuing our work
[1:17:09] with the county on this
[1:17:10] mattered.
[1:17:11] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank
[1:17:15] you. Next speaker, please.
[1:17:16] >>speaker: good afternoon,
[1:17:18] board. I'm jeff weaver from san
[1:17:22] juan capistrano, the home of the
[1:17:24] prima desay sha landfill
[1:17:26] problem. We talked last time
[1:17:27] about the massive amount of
[1:17:31] toxic gas that comes out of each
[1:17:38] landfill. The prima landfill is
[1:17:40] located about a mile from san
[1:17:42] juan hills high school. At the
[1:17:44] current status before the
[1:17:46] expansion -- and I'd like to get
[1:17:48] some definition. Expansion, we
[1:17:49] talked last time -- or you
[1:17:52] talked to tom petition troll
[1:17:54] liss last time about expansion.
[1:17:56] I think we spent $100 million on
[1:17:57] to so-called expansion. This is
[1:17:59] it. This is what they're
[1:18:01] tearing apart right now. You
[1:18:02] see this from miles away. The
[1:18:03] problem is it's one mile from
[1:18:05] our high school. And the high
[1:18:07] school kids have no choice but
[1:18:10] to breathe this toxic gas. Oc
[1:18:12] waste and recycling and its
[1:18:13] climate action plan calls it
[1:18:15] odor. Well, the way they
[1:18:17] control the odor, they drive
[1:18:20] around and sniff and spray
[1:18:21] febreze type stuff to decrease
[1:18:24] the odor. And doesn't mean
[1:18:26] you're not smelling it. But if
[1:18:27] you're smelling it, it's really
[1:18:29] bad. And these kids are out
[1:18:31] there on the track team or the
[1:18:32] football team, running as hard
[1:18:34] as they can, they don't know
[1:18:35] that they're breathing these
[1:18:36] toxic fumes that are
[1:18:38] consistently over 1 million
[1:18:41] cubic feet per day that gets
[1:18:42] released, uncontrolled release
[1:18:44] from this landfill. So that's
[1:18:46] our big concern. And in the
[1:18:51] climate action plan they mandate
[1:18:53] aggressive methane management.
[1:18:54] And all I see in the climate
[1:18:56] action plan are drones. $25
[1:18:58] million for drones. They have a
[1:19:01] thing that says "drones are
[1:19:02] tackling methane gas." I
[1:19:04] watched the super bowl. I saw a
[1:19:06] lot of tackling. I don't know
[1:19:08] how it's even possible for a
[1:19:09] drone to tackle an invisible
[1:19:12] gas. But I like the definition
[1:19:14] on how the drone tackles the
[1:19:15] gas. I'd like the definition on
[1:19:18] how older is a toxic gas and the
[1:19:19] expansion. Is that an
[1:19:20] expansion? It looks like an
[1:19:22] expansion, and there's been over
[1:19:23] $100 million on this expansion.
[1:19:24] This be landfill will be in
[1:19:25] operation for 75 years. It's
[1:19:27] going to be producing this
[1:19:29] methane for over 100 years. But
[1:19:31] the problem is, this methane is
[1:19:33] fuel. If we tap this methane,
[1:19:35] our plan is to cap this
[1:19:38] landfill, tap the landfill and
[1:19:39] produce 20 megawatts of energy
[1:19:43] that will power the desal plant
[1:19:45] and the entire city of san juan
[1:19:46] capistrano for the next 100
[1:19:48] years. We want to put an
[1:19:48] amendment that you at least look
[1:19:51] at our plan. I've talked to two
[1:19:52] of the staff of the board
[1:19:54] members here -- or the
[1:19:54] supervisors. I've been waiting
[1:19:56] to talk to katrina foley for
[1:19:58] almost two years now, and I met
[1:19:59] with alyssa. I was supposed to
[1:20:02] have a meeting with her. I've
[1:20:03] been waiting two years. But
[1:20:04] until the climate action plan
[1:20:06] came out and environmental
[1:20:08] impact report came out just last
[1:20:09] month, we didn't have a whole
[1:20:11] lot of data to go on. The funny
[1:20:12] thing is the data they're study
[1:20:14] something from 2018 on the gas
[1:20:15] that's released from these
[1:20:17] landfills. 2018. That's the
[1:20:19] current data. I'm sorry -- I'm
[1:20:20] running a little long.
[1:20:22] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank
[1:20:22] you, sir.
[1:20:23] >>speaker: please someone talk
[1:20:25] to us about this. We have a
[1:20:27] plan, we have engineers.
[1:20:28] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank
[1:20:29] you, sir.
[1:20:31] >>speaker: we can have our own
[1:20:34] financing and won't cost a dime
[1:20:35] and we can save the kids from
[1:20:37] the poisonous gas at san juan
[1:20:38] hills high school. Please help
[1:20:39] us.
[1:20:39] >>chair, doug chaffee:
[1:20:41] supervisor wagner.
[1:20:43] >>don wagner: real quick, we're
[1:20:46] all at the octa board yesterday.
[1:20:48] We had been in discussion about
[1:20:49] one of these climate action
[1:20:54] plans or a plan that carbon come
[1:20:56] up with the ict, how it's
[1:20:58] failing. A newspaper article
[1:20:59] over the weekend, I want to say
[1:21:00] wall street journal, it MAY have
[1:21:05] been somewhere else. It
[1:21:06] explained that the world has
[1:21:10] spent $16 trillion with a "t" --
[1:21:12] trillion dollars on climate
[1:21:15] action plans this and climate
[1:21:17] environmental worries that and
[1:21:19] climate the other thing. And
[1:21:20] we're still spending that money,
[1:21:22] and we aren't really achieving
[1:21:24] anything close to what is
[1:21:27] promised. With we are also not
[1:21:32] seeing the ice melt in the artic
[1:21:34] and the polar bears drowning
[1:21:36] that al gore worried about in
[1:21:38] the '90s when he said we only
[1:21:39] have about 10 more years to fix
[1:21:41] this problem. Anyway, it's a
[1:21:43] long way of saying we've wasted
[1:21:45] an enormous amount of time on
[1:21:46] this. That said, as a realist
[1:21:48] and being in california, I
[1:21:49] recognize we need to have a
[1:21:51] climate action plan in order to
[1:21:56] get the funding that is
[1:21:57] absolutely critical to this
[1:21:58] government doing the basic
[1:22:00] function it is needs to do. We
[1:22:02] will not be eligible for grants
[1:22:05] without it. And so I am not
[1:22:06] prepared to vote against the
[1:22:09] entire climate action plan.
[1:22:11] Though, I believe it is a
[1:22:12] grotesque waste of money, it is
[1:22:14] the game the state forces us to
[1:22:17] play. That said, I think
[1:22:22] there's a lot to recommend the
[1:22:24] views of our business champions
[1:22:30] who are here, who recognize that
[1:22:32] business and people being able
[1:22:33] to do business for themselves
[1:22:36] means the government needs to do
[1:22:38] less. We can be smaller and be
[1:22:40] more responsive. And that said,
[1:22:43] that is a long way of saying we
[1:22:45] ought to take them at their
[1:22:47] word, we ought to do the minimum
[1:22:49] that we need to do to play the
[1:22:50] game the state forces us to
[1:22:53] play, and with that, I move
[1:22:56] approval the climate action plan
[1:22:58] with the complete removal of
[1:23:00] chapter 4, community climate
[1:23:03] action. That's my motion.
[1:23:04] >>chair, doug chaffee:
[1:23:08] supervisor nguyen.
[1:23:10] >>janet nguyen: sorry. And I'll
[1:23:15] second that. I agree. I mean,
[1:23:17] we do -- I've been in
[1:23:18] sacramento. I've heard all of
[1:23:20] these arguments. I've been in
[1:23:22] many, many hearings as well,
[1:23:23] and, you know, I continue to ask
[1:23:25] the question what has the
[1:23:28] results been for us in
[1:23:29] sacramento? And there's never
[1:23:30] been an answer. The answer has
[1:23:35] always been, well, we just gotta
[1:23:36] set a very high bar and
[1:23:38] hopefully we'll get there
[1:23:39] eventually. So, I mean, but,
[1:23:42] you know, in the end, we all
[1:23:45] here want -- as a county, want
[1:23:46] to reduce green house gas
[1:23:49] emission. But the goals we
[1:23:51] pursue needs to be in a way that
[1:23:53] also preserves the economic
[1:23:55] competitiveness, supports job
[1:23:57] creation and also avoids any new
[1:23:59] regulatory uncertainty. And so,
[1:24:04] you know, as drafted, the
[1:24:06] community section raise
[1:24:07] significant concerns because it
[1:24:09] focuses on an area where the
[1:24:13] county has limited jurisdiction,
[1:24:14] including private vehicles,
[1:24:15] privately-owned buildings and
[1:24:17] land use decisions overseen by
[1:24:20] other agency. And I know that
[1:24:25] it says volunteer and
[1:24:26] non-bind -- voluntary and
[1:24:29] non-binding, however, the
[1:24:31] section establishes countywide
[1:24:33] goals without clear
[1:24:33] implementation parameters
[1:24:35] creating risk of interpretation
[1:24:37] beyond existing state law. And
[1:24:41] so this action plan is intended
[1:24:42] to outline aspirational goals,
[1:24:44] not just create mandates. So
[1:24:47] I'm concerned about that line
[1:24:48] that's becoming very blurry.
[1:24:51] And so, you know, is especially
[1:24:54] if there's a lack of clarity, we
[1:24:57] need -- I mean, what will end up
[1:24:58] is that it will be duplicate, it
[1:25:01] will be inconsistent went
[1:25:02] requirements, increase
[1:25:04] developmental costs, add
[1:25:05] uncertainties for businesses and
[1:25:08] housing providers in our
[1:25:09] incorporated areas at a time
[1:25:11] when we need housing to be
[1:25:12] affordable in orange county.
[1:25:15] And the cost of living is
[1:25:17] unbearable. At this point for
[1:25:18] anybody who lives in orange
[1:25:21] county and so we as a county,
[1:25:23] when we set our policy, when
[1:25:30] it's countywide, yes we're
[1:25:32] saying incorporate, but we're
[1:25:38] also saying wink-wink,
[1:25:39] countrywide, meaning cities and
[1:25:41] everybody else also have to
[1:25:43] adhere to our mandate,
[1:25:46] countywide. So again, we can't
[1:25:50] have duplicate, you know, areas
[1:25:51] and unintended consequence asks
[1:25:53] not really understanding
[1:25:54] where -- what is mandate, what
[1:26:02] is volunteer, as well.
[1:26:03] >>chair, doug chaffee:
[1:26:04] vice-chair foley.
[1:26:04] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
[1:26:05] you, MR. CHAIRMAN.
[1:26:07] You know, I'm not really seeing
[1:26:09] these sections that have been
[1:26:10] referred to in the climate
[1:26:12] action plan itself. So there's
[1:26:13] nothing in the climate action
[1:26:15] plan that mandates anything on
[1:26:19] any private developer. We had
[1:26:20] representatives from the bi a
[1:26:21] and the business council on our
[1:26:24] task force. We've talked to
[1:26:27] them multiple times about this,
[1:26:30] and there's no mandates included
[1:26:34] in this climate action plan.
[1:26:37] And then respectfully we cannot
[1:26:39] remove this section that they're
[1:26:41] referring to because we will not
[1:26:44] qualify for any grants. So
[1:26:45] that's the critical component
[1:26:49] here. And if for no other
[1:26:52] reason the roadmap that has been
[1:26:55] created here is to conserve
[1:26:58] costs for the taxpayers, if for
[1:26:59] know other reason, even if you
[1:27:01] don't believe climate change is
[1:27:06] real, the measures, the roadmap,
[1:27:09] the landfill analysis is all
[1:27:12] intended to reduce cost and so
[1:27:13] make us competitive for grants.
[1:27:16] So I will not be supporting the
[1:27:17] motion.
[1:27:18] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank
[1:27:19] you. Supervisor wagner.
[1:27:21] >>don wagner: I want to respond
[1:27:23] a little bit. The fact that bi
[1:27:27] a and/or ocbc and/or any other
[1:27:29] business groups were in the
[1:27:31] discussions and at the table and
[1:27:33] on the panels and involved here
[1:27:35] doesn't mean that they were
[1:27:38] listened to. And the resulting
[1:27:40] document and their positions on
[1:27:42] it suggest that they weren't
[1:27:44] listened to. And I think we do
[1:27:49] a disservice to -- not just to
[1:27:50] those organizations but to the
[1:27:52] vast business community in
[1:27:53] orange county, that is so
[1:27:57] important to us, that has been
[1:27:59] so burdened by just trying to
[1:28:03] exist in this state, that the
[1:28:05] unaffordability issue supervisor
[1:28:06] nguyen raised has come to the
[1:28:08] forefront for so many people.
[1:28:11] We aren't doing any favors to
[1:28:15] everyone who is struggling with
[1:28:18] unaffordability by rushing pell
[1:28:21] mel into this and ignoring.
[1:28:22] witness the leerings they sent
[1:28:24] to us. They were at the table,
[1:28:26] but they got ignored and felt
[1:28:28] the need to do these letters.
[1:28:29] And that's why, slow it down,
[1:28:31] we'll still get the grants.
[1:28:34] We've got what we need to do,
[1:28:38] the bare minimum in what
[1:28:40] survives my motion, the climate
[1:28:43] action plan, just not this
[1:28:43] unthought-through potentially
[1:28:45] quite damaging section 4. I
[1:28:48] urge support for the motion.
[1:28:49] >>chair, doug chaffee:
[1:28:50] supervisor sarmiento.
[1:28:50] >>vincente sarmiento: thank you,
[1:28:52] MR. Chair. I see somebody from
[1:28:54] waste and recycling. Is it tara
[1:28:58] that's here? If you could come
[1:28:59] up if you don't mind. And as
[1:29:01] you're coming up, if you could
[1:29:03] answer sort of the question
[1:29:06] buffers, which is what would it
[1:29:09] do -- what would the impact be
[1:29:11] from removing this section from
[1:29:12] the climate action plan.
[1:29:14] >>speaker: good morning. I'm
[1:29:15] tara, deputy director of
[1:29:17] sustainability. What would it
[1:29:19] do, to answer your question,
[1:29:21] obviously we brought what we
[1:29:23] thought was, you know, finished
[1:29:25] product. I will say just to
[1:29:27] answer some of the comments that
[1:29:29] were raised, this is not being
[1:29:30] included in the general plan.
[1:29:31] There are no plans to put it in
[1:29:34] the general plan at all. Any
[1:29:36] document that's out on the
[1:29:38] general plan right now through
[1:29:39] public works I would encourage
[1:29:41] them to comment on that, as
[1:29:42] well, if there is a reference to
[1:29:46] the cap. Beyond that, the part
[1:29:48] that I would probably be worried
[1:29:49] about losing is the references
[1:29:51] to environmental justice. We
[1:29:53] have a lot of mandates related
[1:29:54] to environmental justice. I'm
[1:29:58] so sorry. And with that said,
[1:30:02] when we go back to tie the cap
[1:30:04] into the ej sections, which you
[1:30:06] know most of the prop 4, 40% of
[1:30:08] that funding is going to ej
[1:30:10] communities, and they literally
[1:30:11] ask if you can tie it back into
[1:30:13] an approved plan or motion. I'm
[1:30:15] not saying this guarantees us
[1:30:16] the money, but if it gives us a
[1:30:19] leg up, I would obviously love
[1:30:21] to keep it. With that said,
[1:30:23] it's at your discretion.
[1:30:28] >>vincente sarmiento: so I guess
[1:30:29] the -- sort of the essence of
[1:30:31] your response is that, keeping
[1:30:34] it in will help for future
[1:30:36] funding of projects that --
[1:30:38] >>speaker: I'm trying to just
[1:30:39] gives any leg up that we can
[1:30:42] get, and if there's an ab-39
[1:30:43] mandate that will also include
[1:30:44] environmental justice, that I'm
[1:30:46] hoping that when we bring this
[1:30:49] back with the ceqa document we
[1:30:49] will actually cover that report
[1:30:51] that's due. I completely agree,
[1:30:53] there are more mandates and laws
[1:30:54] than we can keep track of at
[1:30:56] this point. So the more we
[1:30:58] could try to cover, like we put
[1:31:00] the climate vulnerability
[1:31:01] assessment in to try to cover
[1:31:02] that state mandate. We are
[1:31:04] trying to make this as
[1:31:05] cost-effective as we can.
[1:31:06] >>vincente sarmiento: is there a
[1:31:08] net benefit from keeping this
[1:31:10] section in for future funding.
[1:31:11] >>speaker: I believe so.
[1:31:14] >>vincente sarmiento: thank you.
[1:31:14] >>chair, doug chaffee:
[1:31:15] supervisor nguyen.
[1:31:16] >>janet nguyen: thank you.
[1:31:22] Tara, can I just foul? -- follow
[1:31:25] up? So it's not -- it's certain
[1:31:27] that we would not get any
[1:31:28] funding.
[1:31:28] >>speaker: no. No.
[1:31:30] >>janet nguyen: because that's
[1:31:32] what was stated up here. I
[1:31:33] wanted to make sure that we're
[1:31:34] hearing there's a possibility,
[1:31:35] right. But that's a possibility
[1:31:36] all of our grants and every time
[1:31:40] we apply for any grants through
[1:31:42] the state or the federal, that
[1:31:44] we -- it's competitive and it's,
[1:31:48] you know, it can and cannot --
[1:31:49] we might or might not get it.
[1:31:50] >>speaker: correct. There's no
[1:31:52] guarantee. I think what we're
[1:31:53] trying to do is be as
[1:31:55] cost-effective as we could. But
[1:31:58] if it has to cover ab-39 and has
[1:32:00] to be a component of the general
[1:32:02] plan and we could supply ands
[1:32:04] dies and pull out of this
[1:32:05] document -- slice and dice just
[1:32:11] to pull out of this document to
[1:32:12] save money on reports down the
[1:32:14] road, that is also something we
[1:32:16] would be trying to do. We were
[1:32:18] not trying to mandate anything
[1:32:20] on the community side. We
[1:32:22] worked with bi a quite a bit,
[1:32:24] with adam at the time. We
[1:32:27] really just didn't want to be
[1:32:28] preclueded from having to do
[1:32:30] things like outreach, the mobile
[1:32:32] home parks, projects of that
[1:32:33] nature if an opportunity
[1:32:34] presented itself. We're not
[1:32:37] trying to mandate what type of
[1:32:39] boiler, heater. And the nice
[1:32:40] part is we do have to bring this
[1:32:42] back to you with a ceqa document
[1:32:45] if it's approved today so there
[1:32:47] will be time to make adjustments
[1:32:49] that nature, if you think that
[1:32:50] the language implies, that I do
[1:32:51] want to correct that.
[1:32:54] >>janet nguyen: I just think it
[1:32:55] makes everybody nervous when
[1:32:57] you're not sure what is
[1:32:58] mandated, what isn't. I mean, a
[1:33:00] lot of times when government
[1:33:04] says it's not mandated, but...
[1:33:07] It is on here, and wink-wink, we
[1:33:09] would really like to you follow
[1:33:11] it. That's what makes everybody
[1:33:11] nervous.
[1:33:12] >>speaker: I agree with their
[1:33:13] concerns on the general plan,
[1:33:14] and the nice part of being one
[1:33:16] of the last counties out of the
[1:33:17] gate is that you get to see what
[1:33:20] happened in other jurisdictions.
[1:33:21] And san diego county, I know
[1:33:23] and L.A. County, did have
[1:33:24] litigation because it was part
[1:33:27] of their general plan, which is
[1:33:28] why I really hope that the board
[1:33:31] does not put it in the general
[1:33:31] plan and avoid that. And I
[1:33:33] think that's where the concerns
[1:33:36] are coming from, from bia. I
[1:33:38] don't want to speak for them,
[1:33:40] but I do not want to put it in
[1:33:42] the general plan unless you feel
[1:33:42] otherwise.
[1:33:44] >>janet nguyen: and I don't want
[1:33:46] to do anything L.A. Does.
[1:33:50] >>speaker: I agree, but we're on
[1:33:51] the record.
[1:33:51] >>janet nguyen: thank you.
[1:33:52] >>chair, doug chaffee:
[1:33:58] supervisor wagner.
[1:34:00] >>don wagner: you're back. All
[1:34:03] right. So for a brief shining
[1:34:05] moment, I served on the south
[1:34:07] coast air quality management
[1:34:10] district board, and you and I
[1:34:11] had numerous conversations when
[1:34:13] I was wearing that hat. Now
[1:34:16] supervisor nguyen is honored and
[1:34:18] privileged and I'm sure thrilled
[1:34:21] to serve on that board. In
[1:34:23] those conversations, I remember
[1:34:25] you telling me things like,
[1:34:27] we've got all of these group ins
[1:34:30] out there, but they're for
[1:34:30] specific communities, and we
[1:34:34] don't have those communities in
[1:34:35] our county. So when you're
[1:34:40] talking about, well, let's just
[1:34:40] faint towards words
[1:34:41] environmental justice
[1:34:43] communities, et cetera, but at
[1:34:47] the end of the day, most of that
[1:34:50] by design is going to other
[1:34:51] counties because we don't fit
[1:34:53] the criteria. Correct?
[1:34:54] >>speaker: right. I think when
[1:34:56] we were having those
[1:34:57] conversations, we were talking
[1:35:00] about ab-61 exphiefnts. We do
[1:35:04] not. We have no ab-617, which
[1:35:07] are considered the most dire
[1:35:08] under environmental justice, and
[1:35:10] there's only six, and there is
[1:35:11] one in L.A., yes.
[1:35:13] >>don wagner: right. So the
[1:35:14] statutes are written by folks
[1:35:16] from L.A. To benefit L.A.. They
[1:35:17] don't come to orange county.
[1:35:19] And so to stand there and say,
[1:35:20] well, we just need to make
[1:35:25] this -- say these things doesn't
[1:35:26] change the reality on the
[1:35:28] ground. They write the statutes
[1:35:30] to benefit themselves, and we
[1:35:31] have been fighting for funding
[1:35:32] equity. We have been fighting
[1:35:34] for this, that, and the other
[1:35:35] thing and getting nowhere. I
[1:35:36] just lay that out there as maybe
[1:35:37] one of the reasons that we have
[1:35:40] to play the game, but we don't
[1:35:42] have to damage our community's
[1:35:44] wholesale to play that game,
[1:35:47] which is what chapter 4 does.
[1:35:49] MS. Walsh, is she in the
[1:36:01] audience and if I MAY...
[1:36:02] All right. You've been
[1:36:05] listening to all of this, and
[1:36:08] I'm going to kind of give -- and
[1:36:10] law school 101, never ask a
[1:36:11] question you don't know the
[1:36:13] answer to. I don't know the
[1:36:15] answer to this. We haven't
[1:36:18] talked. What is your legal view
[1:36:25] of this document, chapter 4.
[1:36:27] What excising chapter 4 would do
[1:36:28] to our availability to get these
[1:36:30] grants under all of these
[1:36:31] different programs. I know
[1:36:33] you've worked on it. I'm hoping
[1:36:35] you might be, if not the expert,
[1:36:39] the sacrificial lamb --
[1:36:42] >>speaker: I think sacrificial
[1:36:44] lamb helps us better at this
[1:36:45] point. I have reviewed it.
[1:36:47] There's a lot of things going on
[1:36:48] here. Just so everybody knows,
[1:36:49] with dough have a comprehensive
[1:36:50] general plan update coming up.
[1:36:52] It is out for public comment. I
[1:36:55] spoke to the woman from the bia
[1:36:58] in the back, and we do have a
[1:37:00] mitigation measure in the
[1:37:01] resource management chapter that
[1:37:03] mentions the climate action
[1:37:06] plan. That should be stricken.
[1:37:08] Because we are not making the
[1:37:09] climate action plan part of the
[1:37:13] general plan. In addition our
[1:37:14] comprehensive general plan
[1:37:16] update has to have an
[1:37:18] environmental justice chapter.
[1:37:20] It is does. The chapt draft has
[1:37:22] an environmental justice
[1:37:23] chapter. That will be the
[1:37:26] chapter that complies with state
[1:37:28] law because the climate action
[1:37:29] plan is not part of the general
[1:37:31] plan and we are not making it
[1:37:33] part of the general plan, any
[1:37:34] environmental justice
[1:37:38] conversation in the cap will not
[1:37:41] qualify us for anything because
[1:37:44] we are not the doing it as part
[1:37:44] the general plan. The law
[1:37:48] requires that an environmental
[1:37:54] justice chapter be adopted as
[1:37:57] part of the general plan. The
[1:37:57] general plan requires multiple
[1:37:59] hearings, as you all know, and
[1:38:01] that's upcoming. Right now the
[1:38:02] effect of today is that you
[1:38:04] would be approving a plan. This
[1:38:06] is just that you are approving
[1:38:09] sort of the contents of what we
[1:38:11] would move forward with in an
[1:38:13] environmental document for the
[1:38:15] cap. The cap right now as it
[1:38:17] stands before you, even if
[1:38:18] approved today, cannot be
[1:38:21] implemented because there are no
[1:38:24] ceqa findings. So we need to
[1:38:28] move forward with an ier. It is
[1:38:32] my understanding, and tara and I
[1:38:34] haven't talked about this in a
[1:38:35] while, and I was only involved
[1:38:37] in the end just to be clear,
[1:38:39] that the environmental document
[1:38:43] will not cover chapter 4. Okay.
[1:38:44] So that's correct. So what
[1:38:49] that means is that even if you
[1:38:52] adopt chapter 4 today,
[1:38:54] quote/unquote, it is merely a
[1:38:56] planning goal-oriented document.
[1:38:58] It cannot be implemented, and
[1:39:00] even after this when it is
[1:39:02] brought back to you, because the
[1:39:03] eir will not cover chapter 4.
[1:39:11] It cannot be implemented. It
[1:39:13] cannot be -- it's not binding.
[1:39:16] We can't use it as a -- we can't
[1:39:18] use it as a baseline for ceqa
[1:39:23] documents for residential
[1:39:25] developments. And we can't use
[1:39:29] it to impose mitigation measures
[1:39:32] because an eir will not have
[1:39:37] covered that chapter.
[1:39:39] >>don wagner: so is that a long
[1:39:41] way of saying it won't matter if
[1:39:42] we excise chapter 4, give us
[1:39:46] more time then to have more
[1:39:47] discussions with the
[1:39:48] stakeholders and get something
[1:39:50] that is not only agreeable to
[1:39:52] them, but to the entire board,
[1:39:53] and that we could then move
[1:39:55] forward with?
[1:39:56] >>speaker: I am not sure about
[1:39:58] the funding on chapter 4.
[1:40:00] That's what I'm not sure about.
[1:40:03] In my conversations with the oc
[1:40:05] waste and recycling, the fund
[1:40:06] has been about municipal. So
[1:40:09] that's not chapter 4. But there
[1:40:12] could be funding that implicates
[1:40:15] chapter 4. I honestly don't
[1:40:18] know. I don't know what that
[1:40:20] fund something, and I'm not
[1:40:22] usually involved in that, I'll
[1:40:25] be honest.
[1:40:27] >>chair, doug chaffee:
[1:40:30] vice-chair. Foals you're
[1:40:31] getting everything mixed up
[1:40:34] here. Sorry. But chapter 4 is
[1:40:38] not an implementation strategy
[1:40:38] section.
[1:40:39] >>speaker: right.
[1:40:39] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: it
[1:40:47] talks about promoting -- it
[1:40:49] talks about reducing building
[1:40:52] energy, it talks about
[1:40:53] promoting, building
[1:40:55] decarbonization. It talks about
[1:40:57] promoting solar installation.
[1:41:02] It talks about accessible ev
[1:41:06] charge infrastructure. It's
[1:41:10] intend as a non-mandate section
[1:41:14] that covers areas of support.
[1:41:17] So the language in chapter 4
[1:41:19] says the community component of
[1:41:24] the cap does not include binding
[1:41:26] emissions, reductions, targets
[1:41:28] or required implementation
[1:41:31] measures. The community
[1:41:32] component instead proposes
[1:41:34] measures that could reduce
[1:41:38] emissions if undertaken
[1:41:38] voluntarily.
[1:41:39] >>speaker: correct.
[1:41:39] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: and
[1:41:41] the reason for this chapter is
[1:41:44] intended so that we could help
[1:41:48] support cities and nonprofits
[1:41:50] and communities like we did
[1:41:54] recently with our trump
[1:41:56] administration epa grant that
[1:42:01] was for our mobile home park
[1:42:03] project in supervisor
[1:42:04] sarmiento's district to install
[1:42:06] solar. So that is what it is
[1:42:09] intended for, is to be
[1:42:12] supportive so that we can help
[1:42:15] those communities to achieve
[1:42:18] grants. And so I think that
[1:42:22] it's getting all confused
[1:42:24] because there's an intentional
[1:42:28] attempt to confuse it, and so
[1:42:30] just to be clear, what I heard
[1:42:34] you saying, that is correct is
[1:42:36] that chapter 4 is not a mandate
[1:42:40] that is being channeled into the
[1:42:42] general plan into the
[1:42:44] environmental documentation for
[1:42:46] purpose of development in the
[1:42:48] county un-incorporated area. We
[1:42:50] are not mandating what is
[1:42:52] contained in the section related
[1:42:55] to chapter 4. Correct.
[1:42:55] >>speaker: that's correct.
[1:42:57] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.
[1:42:59] So the reason for chapter 4,
[1:43:02] though is that if we don't have
[1:43:06] chapter 4 we will not be able to
[1:43:10] be as competitive for state
[1:43:13] grants, especially prop 4. And
[1:43:16] that is why we included chapter
[1:43:19] 4. And just.
[1:43:21] Ly, we didn't ignore anyone.
[1:43:25] We've had many, many
[1:43:27] conversations. The concern is
[1:43:29] understood, and that's why I've
[1:43:30] said every single meeting over
[1:43:32] the past year and a half these
[1:43:35] are not mandates; these are how
[1:43:37] the county creates a roadmap for
[1:43:39] how we manage our own buildings,
[1:43:40] especially our landfills. We
[1:43:41] have three landfills that are
[1:43:43] creating the most carbon
[1:43:44] emissions for -- you know,
[1:43:47] that's our main carbon emitter,
[1:43:49] is our landfills. The priority
[1:43:50] will be focused on reducing the
[1:43:52] landfill emissions and our own
[1:43:55] county building, saving taxpayer
[1:43:56] funds by reduce energy costs.
[1:43:57] Thank you.
[1:43:58] >>chair, doug chaffee: all
[1:44:00] right. One more time, I'm going
[1:44:02] to go around and make a comment
[1:44:03] of my own and call for a vote if
[1:44:05] I MAY. Supervisor wagner.
[1:44:08] >>don wagner: I'll just be real
[1:44:11] brief. Weigh heard was chapter
[1:44:13] 4 -- what I heard was chapter 4
[1:44:15] is not about grants, from our
[1:44:17] lawyer. That's in municipal.
[1:44:20] And therefore the grants
[1:44:22] argument is sort of a red
[1:44:26] herring as it applies to chapter
[1:44:28] 4.
[1:44:30] >>speaker: I think I said -- I'm
[1:44:31] not sure about all of the grants
[1:44:33] that could result from chapter
[1:44:36] 4. So we do have -- if it's an
[1:44:37] environmental justice grant,
[1:44:38] because there was discussion
[1:44:40] about environmental justice, we
[1:44:41] have a specified chapter hear
[1:44:43] that will meet the requirements
[1:44:45] of the general plan in our draft
[1:44:47] general plan. There could be
[1:44:49] other grants. I'm not an
[1:44:50] expert.
[1:44:51] >>don wagner: chapter 4 intnt
[1:44:56] grants, correct?
[1:44:57] >>speaker: I think you're asking
[1:45:03] me a question -- I'm -- chapter
[1:45:06] 4 is not about grants because
[1:45:10] chapter 4 is a cap for
[1:45:13] community, you know, ghg goals.
[1:45:15] >>don wagner: thank you.
[1:45:15] >>chair, doug chaffee: all
[1:45:16] right. I'll make my own
[1:45:18] comment. I dweebt to remove
[1:45:22] chapter 4. The meeting is held
[1:45:24] in my district. I saw
[1:45:25] tremendous enthusiasm from my be
[1:45:27] constituents. There was no
[1:45:29] objection to these things being
[1:45:32] objected to. I read the bia
[1:45:35] letter. I kind of thought, how
[1:45:37] does that even relate to the
[1:45:38] document? It seemed like a
[1:45:40] misfire. Because when I read
[1:45:41] the document, there's nothing
[1:45:44] binding that would even slightly
[1:45:45] impact came a building trade.
[1:45:48] So my -- I'm going to vote no on
[1:45:50] the motion. And at this time,
[1:45:51] I'd think I'd ask the clerk to
[1:45:52] call the roll.
[1:45:54] >>clerk, robin stieler:
[1:45:57] supervisor wagner. Supervisor
[1:45:58] nguyen.
[1:45:59] >>janet nguyen: yes.
[1:46:02] >>clerk, robin stieler:
[1:46:03] supervisor sarmiento, vices
[1:46:04] chair foley.
[1:46:06] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: no.
[1:46:06] >>clerk, robin stieler: and
[1:46:07] chair chaffee.
[1:46:08] >>chair, doug chaffee: no. I
[1:46:10] think I will make a motion that
[1:46:11] we approve the climate action
[1:46:14] plan including chapter 4.
[1:46:15] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll
[1:46:15] second.
[1:46:16] >>janet nguyen: MR. CHAIRMAN,
[1:46:17] MAY I --
[1:46:18] >>chair, doug chaffee: we have a
[1:46:19] motion on the floor. Now we can
[1:46:22] discuss it. Supervisor wagner.
[1:46:22] >>don wagner: I was just going
[1:46:24] to ask the chair, given the
[1:46:28] natural division in the
[1:46:28] question, to divide chapter 4
[1:46:30] out so that we can vote on the
[1:46:32] bulk of the climate action plan
[1:46:34] and chapter 4 separately.
[1:46:35] >>chair, doug chaffee: I would
[1:46:37] be agree tonight bifurcating if
[1:46:38] that's agreeable -- I see a lot
[1:46:42] of nodding. Let's -- let me
[1:46:43] restate the motion, that we
[1:46:45] consider the plan without
[1:46:47] chapter 4, and we'll come back
[1:46:50] and consider chapter 4
[1:46:53] separately. MAY I have a
[1:46:54] second?
[1:47:00] >>janet nguyen: I'll second it.
[1:47:01] >>chair, doug chaffee: the
[1:47:02] motion is everything but chapter
[1:47:04] 4.
[1:47:07] Is there any objection to
[1:47:09] that. So the plan to chapter 4
[1:47:10] is now approved. I'll make a
[1:47:12] motion that chapter 4 be
[1:47:13] included in the plan.
[1:47:13] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:
[1:47:14] second.
[1:47:14] >>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
[1:47:16] seconded. Now we can talk
[1:47:17] separately about chapter 4 if
[1:47:20] anyone cares. Supervisor
[1:47:20] nguyen.
[1:47:21] >>janet nguyen: thank you,
[1:47:23] MR. CHAIRMAN. If you would
[1:47:27] consider for chapter 4 is just
[1:47:29] removing two sections of it.
[1:47:32] Which is measure c, dash e-1,
[1:47:36] which sets the building decarbon
[1:47:40] sayings targets that while is
[1:47:42] labor voluntary, it could be
[1:47:43] interpreted as future policy
[1:47:46] commitments and could contblict
[1:47:47] state building codes and utility
[1:47:51] programs. Building retrofit
[1:47:53] expectation MAY increase costs
[1:47:54] and operational challenges,
[1:47:56] especially for small businesses
[1:47:59] and older buildings. So
[1:48:02] removing measure c-e1, and the
[1:48:05] second one I'm asking you to
[1:48:09] consider is removing measure
[1:48:13] c-m2 which establishes the
[1:48:17] vehicle mileage travel
[1:48:20] reduction. That targets -- it's
[1:48:22] largely outside the county's
[1:48:26] direct control, and really could
[1:48:29] negatively impact our business
[1:48:30] access workforce mobility and
[1:48:32] goods movement. So referencing
[1:48:34] to come to this, it would
[1:48:35] introduce land use policy
[1:48:37] directions through a climate
[1:48:39] plan rather than utilizing an
[1:48:43] established plan in process.
[1:48:45] Vmt has been in discussion in
[1:48:46] sacramento since I was up there
[1:48:49] for probably the full decade,
[1:48:53] and so I think that we here at
[1:48:55] county shouldn't be including
[1:48:58] that in our section. And so if
[1:49:01] you would consider removing
[1:49:04] those two, I can support the
[1:49:14] rest of chapter 4.
[1:49:16] >>chair, doug chaffee: can I be
[1:49:17] clear where that's in the plan.
[1:49:21] >>janet nguyen: so c-e1, which
[1:49:22] is --
[1:49:22] >>chair, doug chaffee: you can
[1:49:23] give me a page number.
[1:49:30] >>janet nguyen: page 95.
[1:49:30] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank
[1:49:32] you. Vice change comments.
[1:49:32] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
[1:49:35] you, MR. CHAIRMAN. I need
[1:49:38] change my vote on the prior
[1:49:40] because I want to be against the
[1:49:41] cap. The way that the vote got
[1:49:43] set up, I voted against the
[1:49:45] climate action plan, which
[1:49:46] obviously I don't want to do
[1:49:47] that because I spent two years
[1:49:49] of my life helping to develop
[1:49:51] it. So I need to change my vote
[1:49:53] to a yes on the original motion.
[1:49:55] I just was not in favor of
[1:49:58] removing chapter 4.
[1:49:59] >>vincente sarmiento: I'll move
[1:50:00] to reconsider the initial vote
[1:50:03] on the balance of the cap plan
[1:50:05] without chapter 4.
[1:50:06] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
[1:50:07] you. Second.
[1:50:07] >>chair, doug chaffee: wait a
[1:50:11] minute. I got lost in all that.
[1:50:15] We're talking separately about
[1:50:15] the -- chapter 4.
[1:50:16] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I
[1:50:18] understand. But the original
[1:50:21] motion was the climate action
[1:50:22] plan without chapter 4, which I
[1:50:24] voted against. But now because
[1:50:27] of how it got set up, now I'm
[1:50:29] against the cap as a result,
[1:50:31] because you just added the
[1:50:34] chapter 4 into the original
[1:50:37] motion. So it made it so that I
[1:50:39] voted against the cap, not
[1:50:41] intentionally.
[1:50:41] Unintentionally.
[1:50:42] >>chair, doug chaffee: well, I
[1:50:43] didn't interpret it that way.
[1:50:47] We simply voted for the plan
[1:50:50] itself. Clearly, I thought with
[1:50:51] the understanding that we would
[1:50:53] consider adding chapter 4
[1:50:55] separately. That's what we're
[1:50:55] doing.
[1:50:57] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: so
[1:50:58] can I just re --- I would like
[1:51:00] to vote in favor of the original
[1:51:01] motion because I want to be in
[1:51:04] favor of the cap.
[1:51:06] >>chair, doug chaffee: of
[1:51:06] chapter 4.
[1:51:07] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I
[1:51:09] support chapter 4. I support
[1:51:10] the whole cap as presented.
[1:51:11] >>chair, doug chaffee: so you
[1:51:14] don't support the bifurcation;
[1:51:15] is that what it is, where we
[1:51:18] separated chapter 4 from the
[1:51:19] plan?
[1:51:22] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I
[1:51:24] support -- I did not support
[1:51:27] removing chapter 4. And I'm
[1:51:29] just trying to make sure my vote
[1:51:30] is in favor of the cap. I'm not
[1:51:33] sure what we voted that the
[1:51:34] point.
[1:51:34] >>chair, doug chaffee: why don't
[1:51:37] we restate the motion, if that's
[1:51:41] where we're at, that we simply
[1:51:43] approve the plan as presented,
[1:51:44] including chapter 4. Is that
[1:51:45] where you're at.
[1:51:48] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: yes.
[1:51:48] Second.
[1:51:50] >>janet nguyen: we bifurcated
[1:51:50] it.
[1:51:51] >>chair, doug chaffee: I know.
[1:51:52] But I think the result is the
[1:51:54] same if we -- if you move
[1:51:57] chapter 4 into the plan.
[1:51:59] >>vincente sarmiento: I think
[1:52:02] the vice-chair simply wants to
[1:52:03] revote on the first part of the
[1:52:05] bifurcation, which is on the
[1:52:07] plan without chapter 4, because
[1:52:08] she voted no and wants to vote
[1:52:10] in favor of it.
[1:52:11] >>janet nguyen: so in other
[1:52:14] words, what I'm hearing, MADAM
[1:52:17] Vice-chair, that we just need to
[1:52:17] reconsider --
[1:52:19] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: is
[1:52:20] there a way to clear the board?
[1:52:22] >>chair, doug chaffee: we can
[1:52:26] make a notion reconsider. Ask
[1:52:26] counsel to clarify, if he can.
[1:52:28] >>leon page: I think typically
[1:52:31] the board is allowable of these
[1:52:33] kinds of requests. And I think
[1:52:34] there's just unanimous support
[1:52:36] for the climate action plan
[1:52:37] without chapter 4.
[1:52:39] >>chair, doug chaffee: yes
[1:52:40] paidgesz all of the members
[1:52:42] support that. The controversy
[1:52:43] concerns chapter 4, and I think
[1:52:45] that's where the board had the
[1:52:46] division of the vote, and now
[1:52:48] there's been a request by
[1:52:49] supervisor nguyen to remove two
[1:52:52] action items in chapter 4.
[1:52:53] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:
[1:52:54] that's not answering the
[1:52:54] questions.
[1:52:56] >>leon page: I think the clerk
[1:52:58] can record that all five members
[1:53:00] support the climate action plan
[1:53:01] without chapter 4. And that's
[1:53:02] what I think supervisor foley is
[1:53:05] trying to get to. Supervisor
[1:53:07] foley also supports chapter 4,
[1:53:08] and that's where we will
[1:53:09] eventually end up.
[1:53:10] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
[1:53:10] you.
[1:53:16] >>chair, doug chaffee: okay. So
[1:53:17] I'm going to stand by the
[1:53:19] bifurcation, and we're now
[1:53:20] considering chapter 4 as part
[1:53:24] the climb ate -- climate action
[1:53:24] plan.
[1:53:25] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: yep.
[1:53:26] >>chair, doug chaffee: all
[1:53:27] right. Any further discussion
[1:53:30] on that or shall we call another
[1:53:31] roll at this point.
[1:53:33] >>janet nguyen: I'm so confused.
[1:53:36] I'm sorry. I'm confused. So
[1:53:43] our original vote for 81, the
[1:53:46] climate action plan without 4,
[1:53:48] was 4/1.
[1:53:49] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: it's
[1:53:51] now 5-0. And then he added back
[1:53:52] in chapter 4, and you've asked
[1:53:55] for changes to chapter 4, which
[1:53:56] there isn't support in the maker
[1:53:58] of the motion for that.
[1:53:59] >>janet nguyen: so the new vote
[1:54:01] is just on chapter 4 then.
[1:54:02] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:
[1:54:11] adding it in -- so it's page 65
[1:54:18] in also page 100.. I'm
[1:54:18] asking --
[1:54:21] >>janet nguyen: also on page
[1:54:22] 100, I'm asking you to consider
[1:54:24] moving these two items off of
[1:54:25] chapter 4 and I will be
[1:54:35] supporting the rest.
[1:54:36] >>chair, doug chaffee: are there
[1:54:37] any other comments? I see the
[1:54:42] point that you're making on e1.
[1:54:44] I didn't read the next page,
[1:54:44] but...
[1:54:46] >>janet nguyen: page 100 is the
[1:55:09] vehicles miles travel.
[1:55:11] >>chair, doug chaffee: that one
[1:55:14] I would be supportive of
[1:55:17] removing, c-e3, but not the
[1:55:20] other one, I think that has some
[1:55:21] advantage. It's just a planning
[1:55:26] consideration. That one. And I
[1:55:28] think -- bifurcation to me is an
[1:55:29] economic consideration.
[1:55:34] >>janet nguyen: so c-e1 is
[1:55:34] the --
[1:55:34] >>chair, doug chaffee: isn't
[1:55:38] that on -- that's 97, sorry.
[1:55:40] >>janet nguyen: 95.
[1:55:41] >>chair, doug chaffee: I'm
[1:55:44] sorry. E1 on page 95, I would
[1:55:46] be agreeable that that be
[1:55:46] removed.
[1:55:52] >>janet nguyen: what about c-m2?
[1:56:01] , which is page 100.
[1:56:03] >>chair, doug chaffee: no. I
[1:56:04] think that's okay. I would
[1:56:06] leave that. But I think the
[1:56:07] electrification goes with the
[1:56:10] concept of all electric water
[1:56:11] heaters and all that kind of
[1:56:17] stuff that made no sense.
[1:56:18] .
[1:56:20] So I think electrification is
[1:56:21] more of an economic concept to
[1:56:23] me. Not necessarily a climate
[1:56:25] one. You get there through
[1:56:25] economics, I think.
[1:56:26] >>janet nguyen: but remember,
[1:56:29] MR. CHAIRMAN, the vehicles miles
[1:56:32] travel is also economic.
[1:56:36] Currently those who has gas car
[1:56:38] paying gas taxes. While those
[1:56:40] who has electric cars are not
[1:56:45] paying the tax -- the gas tax.
[1:56:47] And what you're going to end up
[1:56:49] with is when we implement
[1:56:51] statewide vehicles miles travel,
[1:56:55] which means those whoa has gas
[1:56:57] car would not only be paying
[1:57:00] sales tax on the gasoline
[1:57:01] they're pumping into their car,
[1:57:03] but they're also now going to be
[1:57:05] paying vehicles miles travel
[1:57:07] while the electrical cars folks
[1:57:08] are only paying for the vehicles
[1:57:10] miles travel and not the gas
[1:57:13] sales tax. So I think it's also
[1:57:16] economic. And it does hit
[1:57:19] individuals and families, you
[1:57:20] know, very hard, and that's one
[1:57:22] of my arguments in the last, you
[1:57:24] know, several years in
[1:57:26] sacramento when we talked about
[1:57:28] the vehicles miles travel. And
[1:57:32] so I think that removing both of
[1:57:35] them would really -- I mean, it
[1:57:37] also allows those -- I mean, for
[1:57:44] us to continuing to watch that
[1:57:45] sacramento is doing. They've
[1:57:46] got hearings, talking about the
[1:57:48] vehicle miles travel as well
[1:57:50] this year. And watching what
[1:57:52] they do and how it's going to be
[1:57:54] implemented statewide would be
[1:57:55] much more helpful to us than to
[1:57:58] put it into our action.
[1:57:58] >>chair, doug chaffee: I think
[1:58:00] the vehicle miles plan can be
[1:58:02] done different ways. Maybe a
[1:58:04] different rate for electric cars
[1:58:06] than gasoline cars for example.
[1:58:07] I think that's a concept that
[1:58:18] I'd like to see explored.
[1:58:20] >>chair, doug chaffee: I would
[1:58:22] demand the motion to approve by
[1:58:25] 4 by deleting that first item on
[1:58:26] page 95 that you're referring to
[1:58:28] if the second is agreeable to
[1:58:30] that. If the second is not
[1:58:33] agreeable, then we don't move
[1:58:34] forward.
[1:58:36] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: can
[1:58:38] someone clarify what section
[1:58:39] we're deleting? I don't have
[1:58:41] page numbers on mine.
[1:58:43] >>chair, doug chaffee: page 95.
[1:58:46] >>janet nguyen: c-e1.
[1:58:47] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: c-e1
[1:58:50] as I understand it says provide
[1:58:51] technical assistance to private
[1:58:53] building owners and tenants
[1:58:55] regarding building
[1:58:56] decarbonization and explore
[1:58:57] opportunities to connect
[1:58:59] building owners with proficient
[1:59:00] contractors. That's what you
[1:59:03] want to remove? I don't
[1:59:04] understand.
[1:59:05] >>leon page: there are actually
[1:59:08] three action items on page 95.
[1:59:09] >>chair, doug chaffee: page 95.
[1:59:11] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: c-e1
[1:59:13] says what I just read. Which
[1:59:17] section are you asking to
[1:59:17] remove?
[1:59:22] >>janet nguyen: c-e1, e-1, dash
[1:59:24] 2, and dash 3.
[1:59:25] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: dash
[1:59:27] 2 and 3 is what you want to
[1:59:28] remove.
[1:59:28] >>janet nguyen: all three of
[1:59:30] them. At this point --
[1:59:31] MR. Chair, I appreciate --
[1:59:33] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: can I
[1:59:37] finish? So c-e1.2, I just want
[1:59:38] to make sure we're all on the
[1:59:40] same page, says work with local
[1:59:43] utilities and or the southern
[1:59:44] california regional energy
[1:59:47] network to promote replacement
[1:59:49] of natural gas appliances
[1:59:50] through education and financial
[1:59:51] incentives. That's assuming
[1:59:54] that those are required by the
[1:59:56] state at some point. We're not
[1:59:58] mandating it, we're just saying
[2:00:00] if that's required, work with
[2:00:02] locals to help them. So is that
[2:00:04] what you want to remove? Is
[2:00:07] that a yes or a no? I just want
[2:00:08] to go through and make sure I
[2:00:10] know what you want to remove.
[2:00:13] >>janet nguyen: I said all of
[2:00:13] e-1.
[2:00:13] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: so
[2:00:17] the next part of e-1.3 is launch
[2:00:19] educational campaigns for
[2:00:20] residents, businesses and
[2:00:23] building owners and managers on
[2:00:25] decarbon sayings and/or
[2:00:26] electrification programs and
[2:00:29] incentives offered by the local
[2:00:35] utilities and or so cal rye n,
[2:00:39] which is the regional --
[2:00:41] southern california regional
[2:00:44] energy network. Is that what
[2:00:46] else you want to remove.
[2:00:47] >>janet nguyen: all of e-1.
[2:00:50] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: and
[2:00:54] the vehicle miles traveled, the
[2:00:56] recommendation is to evaluate
[2:00:57] opportunities to support and
[2:00:58] expand active transportation
[2:01:00] infrastructure to major
[2:01:01] destinations within
[2:01:03] un-incorporated areas, and the
[2:01:05] second goal is to promote and/or
[2:01:07] incentivize transit oriented,
[2:01:09] mixed use, compact development
[2:01:11] through permit streamlining and
[2:01:12] incentives. That's not really
[2:01:15] about vehicle miles traveled as
[2:01:17] a tax, as it's been described.
[2:01:19] It's more about how do we create
[2:01:21] infrastructure. So I would not
[2:01:23] support the motion. I would not
[2:01:26] support the request to remove
[2:01:29] those because --
[2:01:30] >>chair, doug chaffee: either of
[2:01:30] them.
[2:01:31] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: well,
[2:01:32] I don't know what -- we're going
[2:01:34] to remove the section -- I'd
[2:01:36] like to hear why we need to
[2:01:38] remove the section about
[2:01:39] providing technical assistance
[2:01:41] and working with the utility
[2:01:49] companies. Don't we want to do
[2:01:49] that.
[2:01:50] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's
[2:01:51] today to into this
[2:01:55] electrification issue, so...
[2:01:56] >>janet nguyen: MR. CHAIRMAN,
[2:01:57] MAY I --
[2:01:58] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: it's
[2:02:01] not requiring -- look, I have a
[2:02:02] gas stove. I know people
[2:02:03] have -- there's like a lot of
[2:02:08] debate about that. And that's
[2:02:09] why we did mandate anything like
[2:02:12] that. And so I don't think this
[2:02:13] section does what has been
[2:02:14] described.
[2:02:17] >>chair, doug chaffee: well,
[2:02:21] it's strange, connecting a
[2:02:21] building with proficient
[2:02:22] contractors. That's almost like
[2:02:26] an advertisement for who is
[2:02:26] profession.
[2:02:27] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: well,
[2:02:28] I can understand why that would
[2:02:28] be a concern.
[2:02:29] >>chair, doug chaffee: yeah. I
[2:02:33] don't want to vote a contractor
[2:02:33] particularly.
[2:02:34] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: can
[2:02:35] we keep the provide technical
[2:02:37] assistance to private building
[2:02:37] owners.
[2:02:39] >>janet nguyen: MR. CHAIRMAN,
[2:02:40] can I say --
[2:02:41] >>chair, doug chaffee: well,
[2:02:41] let's --
[2:02:44] >>janet nguyen: it might help
[2:02:45] you to have not --
[2:02:48] >>chair, doug chaffee: okay.
[2:02:53] Well, let's -- there is a
[2:02:57] request now from removing two
[2:02:59] items, and I don't see any
[2:03:01] support for removing the one
[2:03:03] concerning the vehicle miles
[2:03:05] expiration. The first one,
[2:03:10] though, building
[2:03:10] decarbonization, I find that
[2:03:13] difficult myself. All right.
[2:03:14] Let's see if we can work through
[2:03:18] this. Supervisor -- vice-chair,
[2:03:19] any further comments?
[2:03:20] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I
[2:03:22] just would be open to hearing
[2:03:23] how you might want to change
[2:03:25] some of that because I think
[2:03:26] what I hear you saying is that
[2:03:29] you're concerned about the -- us
[2:03:32] advertising. So I get that, and
[2:03:35] that I can accept. But I guess
[2:03:37] my concern is that most of the
[2:03:40] rest of this is more sort of
[2:03:41] educational, helping people to
[2:03:44] find out what incentives are
[2:03:47] offered by other utilities,
[2:03:49] connecting residents, and
[2:03:53] private businesses to utility
[2:03:56] incentives. So if they have to
[2:03:57] do something different in their
[2:03:58] development or if they want to,
[2:04:02] for that matter. So that would
[2:04:05] be -- if we want to remove the
[2:04:07] language, explore opportunities
[2:04:09] to connect building owners with
[2:04:12] proficient contractors, would
[2:04:13] that satisfy your concerns?
[2:04:15] >>chair, doug chaffee: well, I
[2:04:16] think we're getting a little bit
[2:04:17] into the weeds here a little too
[2:04:18] much.
[2:04:19] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:
[2:04:19] okay.
[2:04:20] >>chair, doug chaffee: I think
[2:04:22] if you want to come back later
[2:04:24] with some rewording of this
[2:04:28] whole section, that's possible.
[2:04:29] It doesn't have to be the end of
[2:04:30] it today.
[2:04:32] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: okay.
[2:04:35] >>chair, doug chaffee: but I
[2:04:37] found the whole thrust of it is
[2:04:38] leading to electrification when
[2:04:42] there are other economic
[2:04:44] opportunities that MAY need to
[2:04:47] be considered. So -- and I'm
[2:04:48] also going to try to find some
[2:04:52] grounds to get this done. And I
[2:04:55] find -- so, anyway...
[2:05:01] We have a motion that so far is
[2:05:05] just to add the section 4.
[2:05:07] There's a suggestion for a
[2:05:09] change from supervisor nguyen.
[2:05:12] I'm agreeable to that. I did
[2:05:14] not -- not to this mileage
[2:05:19] thing, but to the other part. I
[2:05:19] didn't hear an agreement from my
[2:05:20] second. So I don't know where
[2:05:23] we are. Right now we have a
[2:05:27] motion to simply add section 4
[2:05:28] PRESIDENT Been moved and
[2:05:31] seconded. That's where we're at
[2:05:40] at. I guess we'll call -- and I
[2:05:42] think we can address this other
[2:05:44] thing later maybe? I don't
[2:05:46] know. I'm troubled when I read
[2:05:49] through that thing that
[2:05:52] supervisor nguyen was pointing
[2:05:55] out as not a good idea.
[2:05:56] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'd
[2:05:57] be happy to work with you on
[2:05:59] some changes to the language if
[2:06:02] we could just get it passed
[2:06:03] today and then we could maybe
[2:06:06] bring it back, if that's
[2:06:06] agreeable.
[2:06:07] >>chair, doug chaffee: the
[2:06:08] alternative is simply to
[2:06:09] continue consideration of
[2:06:11] section 4 to the next meeting.
[2:06:13] Would that be agreeable?
[2:06:14] >>janet nguyen: I'll second
[2:06:14] that.
[2:06:15] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'd
[2:06:18] rather just condition this one
[2:06:20] page that is at issue if we're
[2:06:22] going to continue anything.
[2:06:24] >>chair, doug chaffee: so you'd
[2:06:25] be agreeable at this time for
[2:06:28] removing that item from --
[2:06:28] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:
[2:06:29] continuing this one item.
[2:06:33] >>chair, doug chaffee: okay. So
[2:06:36] that item c-e1 through 3 will
[2:06:38] not be part of section 4 that
[2:06:40] we're voting on now.
[2:06:41] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: yeah.
[2:06:42] And then we'll continue that to
[2:06:43] the next meeting.
[2:06:44] >>chair, doug chaffee: for
[2:06:45] further discussion all right.
[2:06:47] Got it. All right. Any
[2:06:49] objection to that motion?
[2:06:53] Clerk, please call the roll.
[2:06:58] >>clerk, robin stieler: chair
[2:06:59] chaffee.
[2:07:02] >>chair, doug chaffee: aye.
[2:07:04] >>clerk, robin stieler:
[2:07:06] supervisor foley.
[2:07:08] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:
[2:07:08] isle.
[2:07:10] >>clerk, robin stieler:
[2:07:12] supervisor nguyen.
[2:07:15] >>janet nguyen: abstain.
[2:07:15] >>clerk, robin stieler:
[2:07:17] supervisor sarmiento.
[2:07:17] >>vincente sarmiento: yes, but
[2:07:35] it's c hi e1, ce-.2, c dash e1.3
[2:07:36] e1.3.
[2:07:37] S.
[2:07:38] >>janet nguyen: MADAM Clerk, you
[2:07:46] can make mine no?.
[2:07:47] >>chair, doug chaffee: so no,
[2:07:50] three yeses and an abstention.
[2:07:52] >>clerk, robin stieler: two
[2:07:52] NOs.
[2:07:53] >>chair, doug chaffee: so
[2:07:58] section 4, absent the c-e.1, 2,
[2:08:00] and 3 are now part of the
[2:08:01] climate action plan and we'll
[2:08:02] come back and further discuss
[2:08:04] this and massage it a little bit
[2:08:05] and see if we can make more
[2:08:12] sense out of it.
[2:08:13] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
[2:08:15] you, MR. CHAIRMAN.
[2:08:16] >>chair, doug chaffee: all
[2:08:19] right. Now please go on to item
[2:08:20] 22.
[2:08:21] >>clerk, robin stieler: 22.
[2:08:21] Under county executive office-
[2:08:22] approve grant
[2:08:23] applications/awards submitted by
[2:08:23] health care agency, oc community
[2:08:24] resources and oc waste &
[2:08:27] recycling in 2/24/26 grant
[2:08:28] report and other actions as
[2:08:31] recommended; and adopt
[2:08:32] resolution authorizing oc waste
[2:08:32] & recycling director or designee
[2:08:33] to negotiate, execute
[2:08:34] agreements, related documents
[2:08:38] and amendments with california
[2:08:39] coastal commission for whale
[2:08:43] tail grants program ($50,000)
[2:08:44] And MR. Chair, we received one
[2:08:46] request to speak on agenda item
[2:08:46] 22.
[2:08:47] >>chair, doug chaffee: please
[2:08:50] call the speaker.
[2:09:02] >>clerk, robin stieler: donora.
[2:09:03] >>chair, doug chaffee:
[2:09:05] apparently not present.
[2:09:05] >>clerk, robin stieler: she's
[2:09:06] right here.
[2:09:07] >>chair, doug chaffee: come on
[2:09:10] over then. Please come to the
[2:09:19] podium.
[2:09:19] >>speaker: good morning,
[2:09:21] everyone. I guess you guys know
[2:09:23] who I am, and I want to speak on
[2:09:26] item 22, but I also -- since
[2:09:29] english is my second language, I
[2:09:31] want to stand a little bit that
[2:09:32] I'm very disappointed that you
[2:09:34] as federal government, who
[2:09:36] brought me here as a kid, I was
[2:09:39] 7 years old, supposed to be
[2:09:41] protected under federal statute
[2:09:43] because we were brought as
[2:09:44] refugee, not escape from cuba.
[2:09:46] Federal government brought us
[2:09:50] here. And I've worked 40-plus
[2:09:52] years and paid taxes to see
[2:09:55] illegal aliens taken over
[2:09:56] housing in orange county. I've
[2:09:59] never drink, done drugs, neither
[2:10:01] smoke. My family from florida
[2:10:02] is very disappointed including
[2:10:05] in cuba, so they're sending my
[2:10:06] alien number to washington D.C.
[2:10:09] To see what the heck went wrong
[2:10:16] here. I should not be in my
[2:10:19] cart, and illegal aliens have
[2:10:20] taken over housing. I've been
[2:10:24] coming to the board since 2019
[2:10:25] through the present, and a lot
[2:10:29] of great officers are friends of
[2:10:33] mine, including the chief
[2:10:35] barnes. And it's an
[2:10:36] embarrassment that you guys have
[2:10:38] not done to anything about it to
[2:10:39] tell the housing authority go
[2:10:42] ahead and give her an emergency
[2:10:45] voucher, run into church, taking
[2:10:45] shower.
[2:10:46] >>chair, doug chaffee: this has
[2:10:47] nothing to do with that.
[2:10:49] >>speaker: but I would like to
[2:10:50] make an appointment with you. I
[2:10:52] was told you are the chair.
[2:10:52] >>chair, doug chaffee: you can
[2:10:54] make an appointment through the
[2:10:55] appropriate channels. But this
[2:10:58] has nothing to do with that.
[2:11:00] >>speaker: thank you. Very
[2:11:02] stressed out. But on topping,
[2:11:08] no. 22, since you say community
[2:11:10] resource -- on topic...
[2:11:11] Maybe the resource community
[2:11:13] could focus on illegal immigrant
[2:11:17] when they making housing and not
[2:11:19] depriving me of housing
[2:11:20] assistant, hopefully I can make
[2:11:24] an I point with you, the chair,
[2:11:26] because charles has refused to
[2:11:29] make me an appointment with
[2:11:31] supervisor janet nguyen, and I
[2:11:32] was told that I have the right
[2:11:34] to make an appointment with the
[2:11:36] a supervisor because he have not
[2:11:40] done anything for me, just ask
[2:11:45] andrew do and chief crist.
[2:11:46] >>chair, doug chaffee: you need
[2:11:48] to address the item or sit down,
[2:11:49] please.
[2:11:50] >>speaker: thank you. This is
[2:11:52] the item that -- like I say,
[2:11:54] this is my first time being here
[2:11:57] since I was a kid, and I had to
[2:11:59] basically talk to you guys,
[2:12:02] legislative policymakers, to see
[2:12:04] why people that are illegal are
[2:12:05] take over housing in orange
[2:12:05] county.
[2:12:06] >>chair, doug chaffee: again,
[2:12:08] this item has nothing to do with
[2:12:08] that.
[2:12:10] >>speaker: so when it has
[2:12:11] something to do, can you explain
[2:12:13] this in english, is my second
[2:12:15] language, community resource.
[2:12:15] >>chair, doug chaffee: this has
[2:12:18] to do with grant applications.
[2:12:20] They're listed in the agenda.
[2:12:23] >>speaker: well, I pulled out my
[2:12:24] application for housing and
[2:12:25] nothing happened yet.
[2:12:26] >>chair, doug chaffee: that's
[2:12:27] not this. Your time is up.
[2:12:28] Thank you.
[2:12:29] >>speaker: thank you. Have a
[2:12:30] great day, and looking forward
[2:12:32] to making an appointment with
[2:12:32] you.
[2:12:34] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
[2:12:34] the item.
[2:12:35] >>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
[2:12:36] seconded. I would note there is
[2:12:38] grant money here possibly for
[2:12:40] prop 36 funding, something that
[2:12:43] the people voted in, and they --
[2:12:45] and sacramento seems to ignore.
[2:12:46] Here's a chance for some
[2:12:50] funding, and we do take that
[2:12:54] seriously. All right. It's
[2:12:56] included PRESIDENT Been
[2:12:59] approved. Item 23 has been
[2:13:03] deleted. So item 24, please.
[2:13:03] >>clerk, robin stieler: 24.
[2:13:04] Under county executive office,
[2:13:05] approve type 2 work order number
[2:13:06] ncy7-009 under contract
[2:13:07] ma-017-19010750 with science
[2:13:08] applications international
[2:13:10] corporation for managed services
[2:13:12] network, voice and security
[2:13:13] services to support firewall
[2:13:15] system migration for john wayne
[2:13:17] airport, 3/25/26-11/10/26
[2:13:18] ($225,200); and authorize county
[2:13:20] chief information officer or
[2:13:23] designee to execute work order.
[2:13:26] We have no requests to speak on
[2:13:26] agenda item 24.
[2:13:27] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
[2:13:28] all-district item.
[2:13:28] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
[2:13:29] the item.
[2:13:30] >>chair, doug chaffee: any
[2:13:32] objection? Item 24 is approved.
[2:13:32] 25, please.
[2:13:33] >>clerk, robin stieler: 25.
[2:13:34] Under county executive office,
[2:13:34] approve amendment 3 to renew
[2:13:35] contract ma-017-22011093 with
[2:13:37] southwest strategies, llc for
[2:13:39] spent fuel solutions management
[2:13:41] services at san onofre nuclear
[2:13:42] generating station, 3/22/26-
[2:13:43] 3/21/27 ($100,000; cumulative
[2:13:44] total $500,000); and authorize
[2:13:45] county procurement officer or
[2:13:47] deputized designee to execute amendment.
[2:13:49] We have no requests to speak on
[2:13:54] agenda item 25.
[2:13:55] >>chair, doug chaffee: is
[2:13:55] district 5.
[2:13:56] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
[2:13:59] the item.
[2:14:00] >>chair, doug chaffee: any
[2:14:02] objection? Item 25 is approved.
[2:14:05] 26, please.
[2:14:05] >>clerk, robin stieler: 26.
[2:14:06] Under county executive office,
[2:14:07] approve 2026 federal community
[2:14:09] project funding requests. And we
[2:14:11] have no requests to speak on
[2:14:12] agenda item 26.
[2:14:13] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
[2:14:14] all-district item.
[2:14:14] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
[2:14:15] the item.
[2:14:17] >>chair, doug chaffee: seeing no
[2:14:19] objection, item is approved.
[2:14:19] 27, please.
[2:14:20] >>clerk, robin stieler: 27.
[2:14:21] Under county executive office,
[2:14:22] approve amendment 3 to contract
[2:14:23] ma-017-22010907 with network
[2:14:24] television time inc. For board
[2:14:26] hearing room hardware, software
[2:14:27] and professional services, term
[2:14:28] ending 3/8/31 ($1,793,655;
[2:14:28] cumulative total $4,676,762);
[2:14:29] and authorize county
[2:14:30] procurement officer or deputized
[2:14:33] designee to execute amendment.
[2:14:35] And we have no if to speak on
[2:14:35] agenda item 27.
[2:14:36] >>chair, doug chaffee: it's an
[2:14:38] all-district item.
[2:14:39] >>don wagner: move the item.
[2:14:41] >>chair, doug chaffee: I'll
[2:14:42] second it. Any objection?
[2:14:45] Motion carries. Item 28. We
[2:14:48] dealt with earlier. Now we come
[2:14:52] down to item 29.
[2:14:53] >>clerk, robin stieler: 29.
[2:14:54] Under registrar of voters-
[2:14:54] approve retroactive amendment 2
[2:14:55] to contract ma-031-24010973 with
[2:14:57] cathyjon enterprises, inc. Dba
[2:14:58] hb staffing for temporary help
[2:14:59] services, 1/31/25-1/30/26
[2:14:59] ($181,659; new total $500,000;
[2:15:00] cumulative total $1,081,659);
[2:15:01] and authorize county
[2:15:02] procurement officer or deputized
[2:15:03] designee to exercise cost
[2:15:04] contingency increase not to
[2:15:05] exceed 10% under certain
[2:15:07] conditions and execute contract.
[2:15:08] And we received one request to
[2:15:12] speak on agenda item 29.
[2:15:13] >>chair, doug chaffee: please
[2:15:14] call the speaker.
[2:15:16] >>clerk, robin stieler: paul
[2:15:23] hayek.
[2:15:30] >>speaker: I bet people -- my
[2:15:32] question is, with this company,
[2:15:34] are they gonna able to provide
[2:15:36] the extra help when we have our
[2:15:41] elections in JUNE and NOVEMBER
[2:15:42] to staff? The facilities that
[2:15:45] are needed. I'm very interested
[2:15:49] in being one of those temps.
[2:15:52] I'm a handicap.
[2:15:54] >>clerk, robin stieler: no
[2:15:55] further requests, MR. Chair.
[2:15:56] >>chair, doug chaffee: all
[2:15:57] right. This is an all-district
[2:15:58] item.
[2:15:58] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: move
[2:15:59] the item.
[2:16:00] >>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
[2:16:02] second. Objection? Motion
[2:16:05] carries. Next item is item 30.
[2:16:06] >>clerk, robin stieler: 30.
[2:16:07] Under office of campaign finance
[2:16:08] and ethics commission-receive
[2:16:10] and file 2025 campaign finance
[2:16:15] and ethics commission's annual report.
[2:16:17] And MR. Chair, we see one
[2:16:20] request to speak on agenda item
[2:16:20] 30.
[2:16:21] >>chair, doug chaffee: please
[2:16:21] call the speaker.
[2:16:25] >>clerk, robin stieler: brian
[2:16:36] kay.
[2:16:40] >>speaker: happy day. So orange
[2:16:41] county does have a campaign
[2:16:45] ethics office. I've been to it.
[2:16:49] I've been to a few of the
[2:16:50] meetings, and it's somewhat of
[2:16:54] an embarrassment. It's a vacant
[2:16:56] building. There's no offices.
[2:17:00] There's just a couple of tables.
[2:17:02] They hold a meeting, which is
[2:17:04] more a get-together for the four
[2:17:09] or five board members. And poor
[2:17:10] donna hoard isn't allowed to
[2:17:11] actually communicate with the
[2:17:16] public. So while our beloved
[2:17:16] katrina foley sits there and
[2:17:18] says that she's paying attention
[2:17:19] to people and she wants to hear
[2:17:23] what the public has to say, poor
[2:17:24] donna hoard isn't capable of
[2:17:27] listening to the public, and
[2:17:30] then translating that to this
[2:17:33] board of supervisors. And it is
[2:17:36] a shame. It reminds me of james
[2:17:38] armanderis. I'm sure that vince
[2:17:41] remembers james. Do you not,
[2:17:42] sir? He was a great man on the
[2:17:44] human relations, and he met with
[2:17:46] the members of the public, and
[2:17:48] he communicated with members of
[2:17:49] the public. And then he
[2:17:53] communicated with members of the
[2:17:56] board. And provided that
[2:17:59] integral service of
[2:18:00] communication between the public
[2:18:03] and the board. And right now
[2:18:06] donna doesn't have that ability.
[2:18:07] She hasn't been given the
[2:18:10] resources. She doesn't have the
[2:18:13] office, and she's admitted to
[2:18:15] being given orders to just
[2:18:17] ignore the public and just keep
[2:18:21] doing what she's doing. So you
[2:18:22] would think that someone like
[2:18:25] katrina foley, dressed to the
[2:18:27] NINEs in that wonderful
[2:18:29] bright, loud suit that she's
[2:18:32] wearing today, matches the
[2:18:33] lipstick, she looks sharp -- you
[2:18:35] would think that she would want
[2:18:38] to make sure that that board was
[2:18:40] open to communication from the
[2:18:41] public and able to communicate
[2:18:45] with her. I mean, she's saying
[2:18:46] that she doesn't want to ignore
[2:18:48] people, yet, here she is
[2:18:50] ordering a county employee to
[2:18:55] ignore the public. So here I am
[2:18:58] standing up for a county
[2:19:00] employee, donna hoard, and even
[2:19:03] for katrina foley, once again,
[2:19:04] saying, katrina, this is what
[2:19:06] you want. This is what you
[2:19:07] believe in. This is the
[2:19:10] standard that you are holding
[2:19:12] out to the public as your own.
[2:19:14] And we're not here to do
[2:19:16] anything other than to help you,
[2:19:18] to advise you and to warn you
[2:19:19] that what you're doing is not
[2:19:23] what you say you're doing. And
[2:19:24] we're here giving you the
[2:19:26] opportunity to live up to those
[2:19:29] promises, live up to that bright
[2:19:30] suit that you're wearing today
[2:19:32] and follow the laws that you're
[2:19:35] bragging about doing. Happy day
[2:19:35] day.
[2:19:36] >>clerk, robin stieler: no
[2:19:38] further requests to speak,
[2:19:39] MR. Chair.
[2:19:39] >>chair, doug chaffee: all
[2:19:44] right. This is actually a --
[2:19:49] this is a "receive and file".
[2:19:51] Is there any discussion? Any
[2:19:53] objection to receiving and
[2:19:55] filing the report? The report
[2:19:58] shall be received and filed.
[2:20:02] All right. Now we come to item
[2:20:04] 31.
[2:20:05] >>clerk, robin stieler: 31.
[2:20:05] Under vice chair foley-
[2:20:06] consider second reading and
[2:20:07] adoption of "an ordinance of the
[2:20:07] county of orange, california,
[2:20:10] adding division 22 to title 3,
[2:20:12] sections 3-22-1 through 3-22-4,
[2:20:14] relating to the unlawful
[2:20:15] possession of catalytic
[2:20:16] converters, to the codified
[2:20:17] ordinances of the county of
[2:20:21] orange." we have no requests to
[2:20:25] speak on agenda item 31.
[2:20:28] >>chair, doug chaffee: this
[2:20:31] is -- it was continued before.
[2:20:33] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:
[2:20:33] MR. CHAIRMAN.
[2:20:34] >>chair, doug chaffee:
[2:20:34] vice-chair, it's your item.
[2:20:35] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
[2:20:38] you. I'll move this item. This
[2:20:39] ordinance, our second reading
[2:20:43] makes it unlawful in
[2:20:44] un-incorporated orange county to
[2:20:46] possess even one detached
[2:20:47] catalytic converter without
[2:20:49] proof of ownership. This close
[2:20:51] as loophole in state law which
[2:20:53] actually allows you to have nine
[2:20:56] or more detached catalytic
[2:20:56] converters without proof
[2:20:58] ownership. So the ordinance
[2:21:00] shifts the burden to the
[2:21:00] possessor, allows the
[2:21:02] presumption of unlawful
[2:21:04] possession and treats the
[2:21:06] converter -- each converter as a
[2:21:09] separate offense with civil
[2:21:10] penalties. Thank you to the
[2:21:10] sheriff's department and
[2:21:11] district attorney for their
[2:21:12] support of this ordinance. With
[2:21:14] that, I move the item.
[2:21:15] >>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
[2:21:16] second. Thank you for bringing
[2:21:18] this forward. There are no
[2:21:20] objections. The item is
[2:21:21] approved.
[2:21:21] >>vincente sarmiento: I was a no
[2:21:23] during the first reading but I
[2:21:25] will be a no on this one too.
[2:21:26] >>chair, doug chaffee: noting
[2:21:31] the "no" vote. And supplement
[2:21:33] 31a...
[2:21:34] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31a.
[2:21:34] Under health care agency-
[2:21:35] approve amendment 1 to renew
[2:21:36] master and individual contracts
[2:21:37] ma042-25010884 for adult peer
[2:21:38] support wellness and supported
[2:21:39] employment centers with
[2:21:41] college community services dba
[2:21:42] clarvida, central and south, and
[2:21:43] orange county association for
[2:21:44] mental health dba mental health
[2:21:45] association of orange county,
[2:21:46] west, 7/1/26-6/30/28
[2:21:47] (Aggregate total $8,200,000;
[2:21:47] cumulative aggregate total
[2:21:48] $12,300,000); renewable for one
[2:21:49] additional two-year term; and
[2:21:49] authorize county procurement
[2:21:50] officer or deputized designee to
[2:21:53] execute amendments. We have no
[2:21:56] requests to speak on s31a.
[2:21:57] >>chair, doug chaffee: is a
[2:21:59] district 1, 2, and 3 item. Any
[2:22:02] objection? Motion carries.
[2:22:03] Supplement 31b, please.
[2:22:04] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31b.
[2:22:05] Under supervisor sarmiento-
[2:22:06] orange county behavioral health
[2:22:08] advisory board-appoint cesilia
[2:22:10] vega-gonzalez, laguna hills, for
[2:22:15] ending 3/9/29. And we have no
[2:22:17] requests to speak on s31b.
[2:22:19] >>chair, doug chaffee:
[2:22:19] supervisor sarmiento.
[2:22:21] >>v. Chair, katrina foley:
[2:22:21] second.
[2:22:23] >>chair, doug chaffee: any
[2:22:24] objection? The point is made.
[2:22:25] Supplement 31c.
[2:22:26] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31c.
[2:22:27] Under supervisor sarmiento-
[2:22:29] animal care community outreach
[2:22:29] committee-appoint hollis
[2:22:30] lenore, fountain valley, for
[2:22:33] term ending 4/14/26. We have no
[2:22:36] requests to speak on s31c.
[2:22:36] >>chair, doug chaffee:
[2:22:39] supervisor sarmiento? Second.
[2:22:41] Any objection? There is none.
[2:22:44] Next we have a series of items
[2:22:46] being brought forward by the
[2:22:49] vice-chair. If we could combine
[2:22:51] d through m and also add q, r,
[2:22:53] and s, I believe that's all of
[2:22:55] them. And if the clerk would
[2:23:33] read those items.
[2:23:35] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31d.
[2:23:36] Under vice chair foley-approve
[2:23:38] allocation of $10,000 from fifth
[2:23:39] district discretionary funds to
[2:23:40] parkinson'
[2:23:41] s exercise program for
[2:23:45] you; make related findings under
[2:23:47] government code section 26227;
[2:23:48] authorize county executive
[2:23:49] officer or designee to negotiate
[2:23:50] and enter into agreement as
[2:23:52] necessary; and authorize
[2:23:53] auditor-controller or designee
[2:24:02] to make related payments.
[2:24:03] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31e.
[2:24:04] Under vice chair foley-approve
[2:24:05] allocation of $5,000 from fifth
[2:24:05] district discretionary funds to
[2:24:06] san clemente village; make
[2:24:07] related findings under
[2:24:08] government code section 26227;
[2:24:08] authorize county executive
[2:24:09] officer or designee to negotiate
[2:24:10] and enter into agreement as
[2:24:11] necessary; and authorize
[2:24:11] auditor-controller or designee
[2:24:13] to make related payments. Under
[2:24:14] vice chair foley-approve
[2:24:15] allocation of $5,000 from fifth
[2:24:15] district discretionary funds to
[2:24:16] families forward, inc.; make
[2:24:17] related findings under
[2:24:17] government code section 26227;
[2:24:18] authorize county executive
[2:24:18] officer or designee to negotiate
[2:24:19] and enter into agreement as
[2:24:20] necessary; and authorize
[2:24:21] auditor-controller or designee
[2:24:23] to make related payments. Under
[2:24:23] vice chair foley-approve
[2:24:24] allocation of $5,400 from fifth
[2:24:25] district discretionary funds to
[2:24:26] capistrano unified school
[2:24:26] district: marco forster middle
[2:24:27] school library; make related
[2:24:28] findings under government code
[2:24:28] section 26227; authorize county
[2:24:29] executive officer or designee to
[2:24:30] negotiate and enter into
[2:24:31] agreement as necessary; and
[2:24:31] authorize auditor-controller
[2:24:35] or designee to make related payments.
[2:24:35] under vice chair foley-approve
[2:24:36] allocation of $103,633 from
[2:24:37] fifth district discretionary
[2:24:38] funds to south orange county
[2:24:38] community theatre dba camino
[2:24:39] real playhouse; make related
[2:24:41] findings under government code
[2:24:42] section 26227; authorize county
[2:24:43] executive officer or designee to
[2:24:44] negotiate and enter into
[2:24:45] agreement as necessary; and
[2:24:45] authorize auditor-controller
[2:24:48] or designee to make related payments.
[2:24:50] And we have no requests to speak
[2:24:51] on any of these items.
[2:24:52] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: I'll
[2:25:16] move the items as described.?
[2:25:17] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31n.
[2:25:17] Under supervisor wagner-
[2:25:18] approve sponsorship of various
[2:25:19] nonprofit entities from third
[2:25:20] district events funds; approve
[2:25:20] addition or revision of events
[2:25:21] to fy 2025-26 county events
[2:25:22] calendar; make related findings
[2:25:23] under government code section
[2:25:23] 26227; and authorize
[2:25:24] auditorcontroller to make
[2:25:28] related payments. The we have no
[2:25:29] requests to speak.
[2:25:30] >>chair, doug chaffee: moved and
[2:25:33] seconded. Motion is approved.
[2:25:34] Supplement 31o.
[2:25:35] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31o.
[2:25:35] Under supervisor sarmiento-
[2:25:36] approve sponsorship of various
[2:25:37] nonprofit entities from second
[2:25:38] district events funds; approve
[2:25:39] addition or revision of events
[2:25:40] to fy 2025-26 county events
[2:25:41] calendar; make related findings
[2:25:43] under government code section
[2:25:44] 26227; and authorize
[2:25:44] auditor-controller to make
[2:25:50] related payments. And we have no
[2:25:53] requests to speak on s31o.
[2:25:54] >>chair, doug chaffee:
[2:25:56] supervisor sarmiento? Moved and
[2:25:58] seconded, any objections?
[2:26:00] Seeing none. Approved. Now we
[2:26:02] come to supplement 31p.
[2:26:03] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31p.
[2:26:04] Under chair chaffee-approve
[2:26:04] sponsorship of nonprofit
[2:26:05] ethiopian-american generational
[2:26:06] bridge organization from fourth
[2:26:07] district events funds; approve
[2:26:08] addition or revision of events
[2:26:08] to fy 2025-26 county events
[2:26:12] calendar; make related findings
[2:26:14] under government code section
[2:26:15] 26227; and authorize
[2:26:17] auditor-controller to make
[2:26:21] related payments. And MR. Chair,
[2:26:23] we have received one request to
[2:26:25] speak on s31p.
[2:26:28] >>chair, doug chaffee: please
[2:26:28] call speaker.
[2:26:46] >>clerk, robin stieler: donora.
[2:26:47] >>speaker: a lot of problems in
[2:26:49] the government. Thank GOD I'm
[2:26:52] still here. What was that
[2:26:56] again? That number, please?
[2:26:58] >>clerk, robin stieler: 31p.
[2:27:00] >>speaker: now, I trust the
[2:27:01] chair, MR. Chaffee, you can
[2:27:07] explain it to me that again,
[2:27:09] that way I can translate into
[2:27:11] spanish and english and then I
[2:27:13] can be respond. Thank you.
[2:27:14] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: this
[2:27:17] item relates to support for
[2:27:19] ethiopian american generational
[2:27:19] bridge organization.
[2:27:20] >>chair, doug chaffee: do you
[2:27:23] want to speak on that.
[2:27:25] >>speaker: well, I'm from cuba,
[2:27:28] not ethiopia. So I pass, but I
[2:27:29] would like to make an
[2:27:30] appointment with the chair.
[2:27:31] >>chair, doug chaffee: that's
[2:27:32] not part of this item. So.
[2:27:33] >>speaker: thank you.
[2:27:36] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
[2:27:39] you. Second. Any objection?
[2:27:45] Motion carries. Now we come to
[2:27:52] supplement 31t.
[2:27:53] >>clerk, robin stieler: s31t.
[2:27:54] Under supervisor sarmiento-
[2:27:54] approve use of $75,000 from
[2:27:55] second district, budget control
[2:27:56] 007 to first five orange county
[2:27:56] for childcare business incubator
[2:27:57] program; make related findings
[2:27:58] under government code section
[2:27:58] 26227; authorize county
[2:27:59] executive officer or designee to
[2:28:00] negotiate and enter into
[2:28:00] agreement as necessary; and
[2:28:01] authorize auditor-controller or
[2:28:08] designee to make related payments.
[2:28:12] And we have no if to speak on
[2:28:15] s31t.
[2:28:17] >>chair, doug chaffee: any
[2:28:18] objection? Motion carries. We
[2:28:20] come to item 32, which is a
[2:28:24] public hearing.
[2:28:25] >>clerk, robin stieler: 32.
[2:28:25] Under county executive office-
[2:28:26] public hearing to consider
[2:28:27] adopting resolutions of
[2:28:28] necessity acquiring by eminent
[2:28:28] domain easements for silverado
[2:28:29] canyon road bridge replacement
[2:28:30] project; authorizing county
[2:28:32] counsel to retain outside
[2:28:34] eminent domain counsel bdg law
[2:28:36] group inc. And initiate
[2:28:37] condemnation proceedings; and
[2:28:38] directing and authorizing
[2:28:39] auditorcontroller to encumber
[2:28:40] and transfer compensation under
[2:28:41] certain conditions and making
[2:28:45] related findings. This item
[2:28:49] does require a 2/3 vote of the
[2:28:51] monopoly.
[2:28:53] >>chair, doug chaffee: let me --
[2:28:55] vote of the membership.
[2:28:56] >>chair, doug chaffee: all
[2:28:57] right, do we have any members
[2:28:58] who wish to speak.
[2:29:01] >>clerk, robin stieler: no.
[2:29:01] >>chair, doug chaffee: I'll
[2:29:02] bring it back to the board for
[2:29:04] consideration. This is a
[2:29:08] district 3 item. Moved and
[2:29:11] second. Any objection? We have
[2:29:14] a unanimous vote, so the item is
[2:29:17] approved. Now we could come at
[2:29:20] this point to closed sessions.
[2:29:22] was that -- would you like to do
[2:29:24] that or -- do public comments?
[2:29:26] All right. MADAM Clerk, how
[2:29:27] many public comments do we
[2:29:27] have.
[2:29:30] >>clerk, robin stieler: nine.
[2:29:33] >>chair, doug chaffee: nine. I
[2:29:37] thought I heard "none." that
[2:29:39] sounded intriguing, but it's
[2:29:45] "nine." okay. Would you like
[2:29:46] to do board comments before
[2:29:49] closed sessions? We can do
[2:29:50] that. Let's get to public
[2:29:51] comments, and then we'll follow
[2:29:53] with that, okay. Please call
[2:29:55] the speakers.
[2:29:55] >>clerk, robin stieler: I'll
[2:29:57] call three names at a time.
[2:29:58] Please line up at the center of
[2:30:00] the room when your name is
[2:30:02] called behind the podium, steve
[2:30:05] rocco, paul hayek and greg
[2:30:19] arrowsmith..
[2:30:21] >>speaker: if you see something,
[2:30:23] say something. If you see
[2:30:25] something, say something. That
[2:30:27] was a calling cry at last
[2:30:28] meeting that I spoke out on
[2:30:30] JANUARY the 27th. Well, I did
[2:30:33] say something. And I talked
[2:30:35] about the home inveighs of my
[2:30:39] home. And at the same time, my
[2:30:41] home was being invaded. How
[2:30:43] about that? And by pretty much
[2:30:47] the same people. Let's see, my
[2:30:53] grass is too high, I got bugs.
[2:30:55] Plus, I owe the city over
[2:30:57] $16,000 for a water bill. What
[2:30:59] does that sound like to you? It
[2:31:01] sounds like persecution,
[2:31:02] prosecution. Sounds like
[2:31:03] special prosecution. Sounds
[2:31:07] like a special project. You
[2:31:10] went to the fbi to get rid of
[2:31:12] do. Why aren't you going to the
[2:31:15] fbi to get rid of spitzer?
[2:31:16] ,
[2:31:20] who's a sexual pervert. Prove
[2:31:23] it. Hates christians. Hates
[2:31:25] christians. Pulled a gun on
[2:31:27] one. And yet that's okay with
[2:31:29] you. Because criminal
[2:31:32] politicians are okay with ooh
[2:31:34] guys. You know, over the united
[2:31:37] states supreme court in
[2:31:39] washington D.C. There's a sign
[2:31:41] which says "equal justice under
[2:31:43] the law." this does not mean
[2:31:45] equality in all things. It
[2:31:47] doesn't mean you can go to the
[2:31:48] same bathroom as me if you're
[2:31:52] not the same gender. It means
[2:31:53] equality under the law. You
[2:31:58] have the same political rights.
[2:31:59] Political rights is something
[2:32:04] else, okay. Diversity and
[2:32:08] equality are not the same thing.
[2:32:10] Diversity gives an empire.
[2:32:12] Washington D.C. Was built to
[2:32:18] look like rome. Marvel --
[2:32:22] marble, columns, and the whole
[2:32:27] shebang. And equality means
[2:32:33] sameness. Similarity.. Nation
[2:32:35] and empire are not the same
[2:32:36] thing. Uncle sam loves
[2:32:38] diversity because you're not
[2:32:40] going to be a majority. And the
[2:32:41] government will tell you what to
[2:32:44] do, not vice-versa. You can't
[2:32:46] have it both ways. You can't
[2:32:50] have it both ways. They are
[2:32:51] contradicter to. It's
[2:32:55] either/or. Uncle sam's
[2:32:57] diversity or sameness, a nation,
[2:33:00] a real nation. And you know
[2:33:01] what, it's people like me who
[2:33:03] are being discriminated against
[2:33:06] today. White christian males,
[2:33:08] number one on the list.
[2:33:09] Equality, take a look at the
[2:33:11] sports. I couldn't find a white
[2:33:14] face there for the entire last
[2:33:26] week.S.
[2:33:27] >>speaker: good afternoon. Good
[2:33:30] morning, I mean. We need to
[2:33:33] make sure these new operators
[2:33:40] for these shelters are make them
[2:33:43] wear they're -- where they are
[2:33:46] walk in/walk out. Why don't we
[2:33:47] hire those that have the trades
[2:33:49] to help run the place? Because
[2:33:52] they'd be glad to help run it
[2:33:56] and make minimum wage. Let's
[2:34:00] see them turn this place around.
[2:34:04] Remember, back in '17 I was
[2:34:06] advocating for the homeless
[2:34:08] shelter in anaheim. I was there
[2:34:10] when they dedicated it. I was
[2:34:12] there for eight months, and
[2:34:16] mercy house has to go. And the
[2:34:18] one in santa ana is being run by
[2:34:20] a foreign company. They're not
[2:34:25] even a U.S.. And mercy house is
[2:34:28] run by a hawaiian with hawaiian
[2:34:32] security.
[2:34:33] >>clerk, robin stieler: the next
[2:34:39] three superiors are donora, l
[2:34:43] uci daniel and nicole nguyen.
[2:34:44] >>speaker: presentation z mailed
[2:34:46] to the usdoj, california brown
[2:34:49] act of 1953, forcing local
[2:34:50] government agencies to be
[2:34:52] transparent with the tax paying
[2:34:53] citizens. Had an introduction
[2:34:56] meeting with sheriff chad dee
[2:34:57] bianco, government candidate and
[2:34:58] michael gates, attorney general
[2:35:00] candidate at the elks lodge in
[2:35:02] santa ana last tuesday night.
[2:35:05] They were both real, genuine and
[2:35:06] approachable guys that have the
[2:35:06] resume
[2:35:07] and experience to make
[2:35:08] california golden again. They
[2:35:09] are eager to put their words
[2:35:10] into action for the best
[2:35:12] interest of californians.
[2:35:15] Focus, offender recidivism and
[2:35:16] re-entry in the united states,
[2:35:22] crime in america net leonard
[2:35:25] adam signs junior 2026, U.S.
[2:35:26] Department of justice bureau of
[2:35:28] justice statistics 68% of
[2:35:30] prisoners were released with a
[2:35:33] new arrest within three years
[2:35:39] and 77% in five years.
[2:35:40] California correctional
[2:35:40] facilities issues from colleges
[2:35:44] of law.Edu, overcrowding and
[2:35:46] inadequate handling of
[2:35:47] complaints and violence within
[2:35:49] the system. California
[2:35:50] correctional facilities remain
[2:35:52] over capacity which affects
[2:35:53] safety and rehabilitation
[2:35:55] efforts. Overcrowding leads to
[2:35:57] increased violence and undermine
[2:35:59] security measures. Problem,
[2:36:00] there are three hours of actual
[2:36:02] work assignments and or
[2:36:04] educational programs that an
[2:36:05] inmate will accomplish in a
[2:36:06] 15-hour day, according to the
[2:36:08] typical daily schedule for
[2:36:09] inmates in the california
[2:36:10] correctional facilities. In
[2:36:14] other words, the typical daily
[2:36:15] schedule focuses more on a day
[2:36:17] camp schedule for criminal
[2:36:18] versus a work schedule to
[2:36:20] prepare him or her to be
[2:36:21] productive tax paying citizens
[2:36:23] in society. The overcrowding
[2:36:25] and violence in these facilities
[2:36:26] makes sense due to these inmates
[2:36:29] have too much time on their
[2:36:31] hands for shenanigans. It
[2:36:33] appears that the offenders'
[2:36:35] behavior will accept returning
[2:36:36] back to a correctional facility
[2:36:37] knowing that he or she has a
[2:36:39] criminal day camp waiting for
[2:36:41] him or her. Solution, as a tax
[2:36:42] paying citizens I'd like to have
[2:36:44] the opportunity to revise a
[2:36:45] typical daily schedule for
[2:36:46] inmates. These inmates,
[2:36:48] prisons, jails, juvenile
[2:36:49] detentions should be working
[2:36:51] eight hours a day for five days
[2:36:52] a week. They will be allowed to
[2:36:54] have a daily 30-minute lunch and
[2:36:57] two 15-minute breaks to be
[2:36:58] complying with california labor
[2:37:00] laws. The inmates will execute
[2:37:03] a self development and
[2:37:04] educational class during day 6
[2:37:06] and 7 and after work. The goal
[2:37:08] is to have the california
[2:37:09] correctional facilities execute
[2:37:11] a curriculum that will motivate
[2:37:12] the inmates to not want to go
[2:37:15] back to a correctional facility
[2:37:17] ever again in a lifetime.
[2:37:18] Temporary housing, dorms,
[2:37:19] continued education and job
[2:37:21] placement during the inmate
[2:37:23] release program is crucial to
[2:37:24] get him or her heading towards
[2:37:30] the right direction for success.
[2:37:31] >>chair, doug chaffee: MAY we
[2:37:37] have the next speaker, please.
[2:37:38] >>speaker: thank you, again.
[2:37:40] Just want to say I still have
[2:37:45] love for all you guys being a
[2:37:50] christian pentecostal parent and
[2:37:52] pastor be pentecostal and my
[2:37:54] father was an architect. We
[2:37:56] went to church seven days a week
[2:37:59] to keep us focused from the
[2:38:03] communists. I got sick from a
[2:38:04] hearing, then it was government.
[2:38:09] Not america. It was depraved
[2:38:10] house, discriminated and I have
[2:38:12] my alien number. This number
[2:38:14] congress will now that they
[2:38:15] brought me from cuba, supposed
[2:38:17] to be protected under federal
[2:38:23] statute and still today. So the
[2:38:27] government has -- I'm praying
[2:38:28] that they focus on illegal
[2:38:31] immigrant U.S. Citizens that
[2:38:32] work and pay taxes. Many
[2:38:34] people, you see it in the media,
[2:38:36] they are not legal. They are
[2:38:38] aggressive against police
[2:38:39] officer and I.C.E., and I'm
[2:38:41] crying what the heck went wrong
[2:38:43] in orange county that we grew up
[2:38:46] in orange county, went to orange
[2:38:49] high school where america taught
[2:38:50] us how to speak english. There
[2:38:53] was no one from mexico, with all
[2:38:54] due respect, running orange
[2:38:58] county back in 1969. So I'm
[2:39:02] requesting our origin -- an
[2:39:05] urgent appointment with the
[2:39:07] chair doug chaffee as soon as
[2:39:10] possible and, again, the chief
[2:39:12] janet nguyen refuse to make me
[2:39:13] an appointment. And you guys
[2:39:15] have seen me since 2018 and 19.
[2:39:18] And thank GOD I'm a great human
[2:39:19] being to guiding other people
[2:39:20] that are still standing. So
[2:39:23] please it's urgent an
[2:39:25] appointment with doug chaffee be
[2:39:26] blessed in hoping to make
[2:39:28] america great for all of us. If
[2:39:30] you don't fix it, this will
[2:39:36] never be the united states of
[2:39:37] america anymore. My parents are
[2:39:37] in heaven. They are the reason
[2:39:39] why we are here, they prepare
[2:39:42] possible under kennedy. We
[2:39:46] waited, and thank GOD we here.
[2:39:47] But this is not the country that
[2:39:47] we grow up. But we still have
[2:39:51] love for you guys. You.
[2:39:51] >>chair, doug chaffee: the next
[2:39:53] speaker, please.
[2:39:55] >>clerk, robin stieler: l uci
[2:40:00] daniel and nicole nguyen.
[2:40:02] >>speaker: hello. I'm here to
[2:40:05] explain that I am a home care
[2:40:08] provider with ihss for 14 years.
[2:40:12] I take care of my mom for 14
[2:40:13] years, and I do everything for
[2:40:15] her. She cannot live by
[2:40:18] herself. She's 92. And her
[2:40:20] mind strong, but she is very
[2:40:25] weak for her age. And she needs
[2:40:25] help with everything. I cook
[2:40:29] for her. I clean. I bathe her,
[2:40:31] I MAY being sure she takes her
[2:40:34] medication. I take her to the
[2:40:36] doctor's, sometimes I take her
[2:40:38] out to the store. That's what
[2:40:41] she likes to do mostly, to go
[2:40:42] shopping. And I'm just
[2:40:47] explaining that because we don't
[2:40:49] get paid very much, but it helps
[2:40:51] us to stay with the people we
[2:40:54] take care of. Like it helps me
[2:40:56] to stay home with my mom because
[2:41:00] of the ihss program because I
[2:41:03] can be -- I'm a certified
[2:41:05] paralegal. I could have a job
[2:41:07] like I used to work with the
[2:41:08] lawyers, and making a lot more
[2:41:11] money. But I chose this because
[2:41:14] I love my mom, and I have to
[2:41:16] take care of her, or -- I don't
[2:41:18] want to put her in a nursing
[2:41:19] home because she gets very
[2:41:21] depressed when she thinks about
[2:41:22] what if she goes to a nursing
[2:41:25] home. And that's not a good
[2:41:28] thing for her, but she's healthy
[2:41:31] and her mind is strong because
[2:41:33] of my care. And I just want to
[2:41:35] make sure that we try to keep
[2:41:41] the ihss program for the
[2:41:42] disabled and the elderly.
[2:41:44] They're better off at home than
[2:41:47] a nurse home. That's all I'm
[2:41:49] saying. And when my mom's had
[2:41:52] to go for therapy to a nursing
[2:41:54] home, she just cried almost
[2:41:56] every day. She was so
[2:41:58] depressed. It's better if they
[2:42:00] stay home. So thank you for
[2:42:04] your time.
[2:42:07] >>clerk, robin stieler: after
[2:42:08] nicole, the last three speakers
[2:42:10] are katherine louie, andrew and
[2:42:11] brian kay.
[2:42:13] >>speaker: good morning, board.
[2:42:17] I am nicole nguyen, and I'm an
[2:42:20] ihss provider. I live -- I have
[2:42:21] been a provider for five years.
[2:42:25] I care for my cousin, my first
[2:42:29] cousin. I'm a resident of santa
[2:42:31] ana and district 2. What I do
[2:42:35] for my cousin -- and what I care
[2:42:39] for my cousin, I MAY being sure
[2:42:41] that she take her medication on
[2:42:43] time and make sure she has her
[2:42:46] refill medication on time too.
[2:42:50] She is 83 years old. She's not
[2:42:52] healthy, not physically and not
[2:42:53] mentally. I care for her. I
[2:42:58] MAY being sure she can eat. She
[2:43:02] cannot eat likely, she can have
[2:43:05] proper food, and I gotta help
[2:43:06] her in and out of my car for
[2:43:07] doctors, pharmacist or anywhere
[2:43:09] she want to go. My work, my
[2:43:12] helping her is very important,
[2:43:16] that allow her to stay home and
[2:43:23] be comfortable with respect. I
[2:43:23] really appreciate the ihss
[2:43:27] program to allow me to take care
[2:43:43] of my cousin. And
[2:43:46] >>speaker: I'd like to provide a
[2:43:50] little help. My name is
[2:43:51] katherine louie. I'm a proud
[2:43:55] member of udw. And I'm an ihss
[2:43:57] provider. I live in the city of
[2:43:59] cota decause sarc I've been a
[2:44:00] provider for 17 years, and I
[2:44:02] take care of my beautiful boy,
[2:44:08] as you can see. He is 19 years
[2:44:10] old -- he is 19 years old, and
[2:44:12] I've cared for him since the day
[2:44:13] he was born. I just like to
[2:44:14] share a little bit about my
[2:44:18] story with you. I worked prior
[2:44:20] in the corporate world for many
[2:44:22] years doing everything --
[2:44:24] complete op assistant medical.
[2:44:25] I never did anything like that.
[2:44:27] My son was born with profound
[2:44:29] needs requiring 24 hours care.
[2:44:33] I knew nothing about this, so I
[2:44:34] relied on the doctors and nurses
[2:44:35] and therapists and everyone else
[2:44:38] to tell me what to do and how to
[2:44:40] take care of my son. I has
[2:44:43] profound needs, like I said,
[2:44:45] requiring 24 hours care. He is
[2:44:47] blind. He's non-verbal. He is
[2:44:51] fed through a tube. I take care
[2:44:54] of all of his living activities
[2:44:56] that he does. And as time went
[2:44:58] on, I started questioning
[2:45:00] things. And this program has
[2:45:03] allowed me to -- was able to
[2:45:06] allow me to stay home with him,
[2:45:08] to do research, to find out what
[2:45:10] I can better do. So the first
[2:45:12] thing is -- one of the things is
[2:45:15] my son -- they told me when he
[2:45:17] was very young and he was in the
[2:45:18] hospital for all of the time for
[2:45:20] the first three years of his
[2:45:22] life, that's all I did, was in
[2:45:23] the hospital. He has a seizure
[2:45:25] disorder. And he was on
[2:45:28] multiple medications for that.
[2:45:30] they just don't work, so they
[2:45:31] would add another one, another
[2:45:33] one. So I was okay with that.
[2:45:36] He was fed through ag tube.
[2:45:39] Every time offer stopped nursing
[2:45:43] him, he would -- he had to
[2:45:45] receive nutrition, medical-grade
[2:45:47] nutrition. Every time I put it,
[2:45:49] in he would throw it up. So one
[2:45:52] day decided to start feeding him
[2:45:54] with homemade food. I just
[2:45:55] decided why don't I blend
[2:45:57] something and put it. Heaven's
[2:45:58] forbid, he started eating, he
[2:46:01] was able to keep it down. Real
[2:46:03] food kept it down. Then I said
[2:46:04] why do you want me to keep
[2:46:07] adding more seizure meds. They
[2:46:08] don't work. I researched
[2:46:11] alternative medications, seizure
[2:46:13] medications. And they started
[2:46:14] working. So I started taking
[2:46:16] them away. And most of these
[2:46:19] doctors you all know. Thomas is
[2:46:23] a child of choc hospital and you
[2:46:24] will of a the specialty there is
[2:46:27] and they do great with him, but
[2:46:29] he has thrived because I have
[2:46:31] been allowed to stay home and
[2:46:33] take care of him. They told me
[2:46:34] he would never walk. After he
[2:46:36] stopped throwing up and having
[2:46:38] seizures, guess what, he walked.
[2:46:39] We walked into the doctors, and
[2:46:41] I would think they would run
[2:46:42] down the hall going, oh, my GOD,
[2:46:44] what did you do. He's in a much
[2:46:45] better way because of this
[2:46:47] program, and I'd like you to
[2:46:49] consider doing what you can to
[2:46:51] keep this program to allow
[2:46:52] people to take care of their
[2:46:52] loved ones.
[2:46:55] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
[2:46:56] you.
[2:46:58] >>clerk, robin stieler: andrew
[2:47:08] and brian kay.
[2:47:12] >>speaker: hello. I'm andrew,
[2:47:16] as you know. I just want to say
[2:47:18] I was here at beginning, and
[2:47:20] man, I give you guys props for
[2:47:22] what you guys do. It can be
[2:47:24] pretty intense. This is my
[2:47:27] first public meeting. So I am
[2:47:33] not as experienced as many of
[2:47:35] you in this. So it is my first.
[2:47:39] I'll do my best. I just have
[2:47:40] three topics that I want to
[2:47:46] start with. First off, one of
[2:47:49] the gentleman before me had
[2:47:55] mentioned shelters. There's a
[2:47:58] few agenda ago. I just want to
[2:47:59] go off of that because a lot of
[2:48:01] times nonprofit organization try
[2:48:02] to do their best to get their
[2:48:05] grants, right, and make sure
[2:48:07] that the community and everybody
[2:48:08] within the community is able to
[2:48:18] help set these places up.
[2:48:19] What's point if you don't even
[2:48:21] know what you're putting your
[2:48:23] money into let alone at least go
[2:48:24] and see it for yourself, right.
[2:48:26] I know that if I'm going to go
[2:48:28] to a donation center or
[2:48:29] somewhere, I walk around and
[2:48:31] view it and look at it, and then
[2:48:34] I put my money down, and go,
[2:48:35] hey, this program is helping
[2:48:36] kids, right. Many of the
[2:48:38] programs that I've been to
[2:48:40] personally experiencing
[2:48:43] homelessness and going to
[2:48:45] shelters, they do a thing with
[2:48:48] favoritism, and it's very, very
[2:48:48] sad because if somebody is not
[2:48:51] to your liking or they don't
[2:48:52] like your attitude or they don't
[2:48:55] like something about you,
[2:48:57] basically you're screwed, and
[2:48:59] it's back to the streets. And I
[2:49:00] don't know if you guys are aware
[2:49:02] of this, but a lot of these
[2:49:03] shelter and a lot of these
[2:49:05] places had a really long waiting
[2:49:08] list just to get in, so it's
[2:49:13] very sad on seeing that. And so
[2:49:18] even the ones that are
[2:49:20] non-shelters such as orangewood
[2:49:22] donation foundation in santa
[2:49:26] ana, they do good work, but,
[2:49:28] again, it's a lot of favoritism,
[2:49:30] and it's very, very sad. And we
[2:49:32] need to seriously do something
[2:49:34] about this, you guys. It's very
[2:49:35] serious. We're not here to put
[2:49:38] money in and go in a work place
[2:49:41] and take every little thing that
[2:49:45] we see as personal aspect,
[2:49:47] because when you're in a
[2:49:48] workplace, it requires and
[2:49:50] involves professionalism. Not
[2:49:53] how you feel, not how much of a
[2:49:54] bad day you had at home. Please
[2:49:56] don't bring what you have at
[2:49:58] home into your workspace,
[2:50:00] especially as shelters when
[2:50:01] we're trying to help people not
[2:50:04] break them back down and push
[2:50:04] them back in the streets. All
[2:50:07] right. Thank you guys.
[2:50:09] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank
[2:50:09] you.
[2:50:12] >>clerk, robin stieler: brian
[2:50:24] kay.
[2:50:31] >>speaker: happy day. Earlier
[2:50:32] in the meeting katrina foley
[2:50:33] realized that she had made a
[2:50:36] mistake, and she wanted to go
[2:50:38] back and correct her mistake.
[2:50:41] And recast her vote. That's
[2:50:42] basically the first amendment
[2:50:47] right there. You redress the
[2:50:48] grievance. So you would think
[2:50:50] that in the criminal case she'd
[2:50:52] look at it and go, hey, brian
[2:50:54] cark doesn't know where I live,
[2:50:56] so even if I think he really
[2:50:56] threatened me, it doesn't rise
[2:50:59] to the level of a crime. You'd
[2:51:01] that I she'd be able to ask
[2:51:04] vincent sarmiento, a defense
[2:51:07] attorney, if that was the truth,
[2:51:08] and that vince would be able to
[2:51:10] stand up for the truth. You
[2:51:11] don't have to stand up for me,
[2:51:15] vince. You can hate me all the
[2:51:15] want but I think that you would
[2:51:22] stand up for the constitution
[2:51:24] and the raw and that you would
[2:51:26] help katrina foley not be
[2:51:30] afraid. It's amazing, narsisco
[2:51:31] ber rang oh, the gentleman who
[2:51:33] fathered three children who were
[2:51:35] marine veterans, you went to
[2:51:39] court to get him -- get that
[2:51:41] whole matter resolved. There's
[2:51:42] a picture of you in the paper
[2:51:43] walking out the courthouse right
[2:51:46] there next to him. You
[2:51:50] supported him. You endorsed
[2:51:53] him. You worked to help get him
[2:51:54] free. And it's a shame because
[2:51:58] we have families right here to
[2:51:59] petition you to not be forced
[2:52:02] into family court without having
[2:52:04] their petitions addressed.
[2:52:07] Please realize you had to --
[2:52:09] their petitions redressed.
[2:52:11] Please realize you had to stand
[2:52:12] over julie, you had to step over
[2:52:15] me, who's filed a petition to
[2:52:19] help narsisco. I'm not saying
[2:52:20] it's bad. As a matter of fact,
[2:52:22] thank you for helping him, but
[2:52:23] realize that you had to walk
[2:52:26] over, you had to tread over your
[2:52:28] own constituents.
[2:52:31] You know, you're all complaining
[2:52:31] about I.C.E.. You're doing the
[2:52:33] same thing as I.C.E. You have
[2:52:36] police who are undertrained,
[2:52:37] overviolent, committing crimes
[2:52:40] against the people. You ignore
[2:52:42] the petitions from the people,
[2:52:44] and then you allow the police to
[2:52:45] do what they've done. Vince,
[2:52:49] could you help me with my issue.
[2:52:53] You have chosen not to. And
[2:52:55] lastly, honorable spitzer, he
[2:52:58] lost a second lawsuit. There's
[2:53:00] about eight more. And the
[2:53:02] really sad thing is that all of
[2:53:03] you are implicated. You know,
[2:53:05] probably the saddest one is,
[2:53:07] again, katrina foley, who has a
[2:53:09] law firm dedicated to protecting
[2:53:11] employees from abusive employers
[2:53:14] was found to be an abusive
[2:53:15] employer. And rather than
[2:53:18] stopping this abusive behavior,
[2:53:20] she's gonna do it eight more
[2:53:22] times. I wish better for you.
[2:53:25] Happy day.
[2:53:25] >>clerk, robin stieler: no
[2:53:27] further requests to speak,
[2:53:28] MR. Chair.
[2:53:28] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank
[2:53:30] you. Now we'll go to board
[2:53:32] comments. Would any board
[2:53:34] member like to speak?
[2:53:34] Supervisor nguyen.
[2:53:35] >>janet nguyen: thank you. I
[2:53:36] have a few items to make
[2:53:42] comments on. One, I wanted to,
[2:53:44] again, thank you, the ceo and
[2:53:51] also doug from oc care, who
[2:53:51] attended our hud senior
[2:53:53] officials meeting last week.
[2:53:55] This came about because of my
[2:53:58] trip to washington D.C. And, you
[2:54:00] know, it's -- we were inquiring
[2:54:01] about receiving additional
[2:54:04] funding for our homeless efforts
[2:54:06] and, so last week they came out,
[2:54:08] they originally were actually
[2:54:10] just going to stop by L.A. And
[2:54:12] san diego, but because of our
[2:54:15] trip to D.C., they stopped by
[2:54:18] orange county. I don't remember
[2:54:20] the last time hud actually came
[2:54:21] to orange county, at least not
[2:54:23] at the time that I remembered,
[2:54:26] my first two terms on this
[2:54:27] board. And since I've been
[2:54:30] back. So it actually was very
[2:54:30] exciting that we were able to
[2:54:31] get home to orange county to
[2:54:35] visit us. We toured the oc
[2:54:38] rescue mission, homeless shelter
[2:54:40] in tustin. It is a private
[2:54:41] state of the art facility with a
[2:54:44] high successive rate of
[2:54:47] rehabilitation. Hud was very
[2:54:49] impressed what they saw and, you
[2:54:51] know, what I gather and -- is
[2:54:53] that they highly encourage us to
[2:54:55] apply for the funding that's
[2:54:58] coming up with the nofa, that's
[2:55:00] coming up. You know, they're
[2:55:02] refocusing on homeless policy on
[2:55:04] treatment, recovery, and
[2:55:06] self-sufficiency. And so it's
[2:55:07] actually, you know, exciting,
[2:55:09] and I really appreciate your
[2:55:10] comments at the meeting,
[2:55:12] MR. CHAIRMAN, and sharing your
[2:55:14] prevention solutions. I think
[2:55:16] they -- their eyes were really
[2:55:17] wide open when they heard about
[2:55:18] it and couldn't believe that,
[2:55:22] you know, such a program exists.
[2:55:23] And, you know, the ceo
[2:55:26] mentioned about the encampment
[2:55:29] of, you know, from -- in 2018,
[2:55:33] the clearing of the encampment,
[2:55:34] whether it's the santa ana river
[2:55:36] trail or the plaza of the flags
[2:55:39] and how the county has helped
[2:55:40] assist hundreds of individuals.
[2:55:42] And so we'll continue to
[2:55:43] communicate with hud and, you
[2:55:44] know, I want to continue to
[2:55:46] offer that orange county can be
[2:55:48] a statewide leader in solving
[2:55:50] the homeless crisis unlike other
[2:55:52] counties. And they did mention
[2:55:54] that the nofa coming up will be
[2:55:56] very competitive. It's not
[2:55:57] gonna be, you know, just because
[2:55:58] you received it in the past you
[2:56:00] will get it, and that's why
[2:56:02] there's a lot of angst all
[2:56:03] across the country, because most
[2:56:05] folks depend on these fundings.
[2:56:11] But they want measures --
[2:56:11] measurements to be included.
[2:56:14] And so I'm excited. And again,
[2:56:15] thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, and
[2:56:16] thank you to the ceo and also
[2:56:20] doug. It was friday evening.
[2:56:22] Didn't finish to a little close
[2:56:24] to 9:00 or past 9:00 P.M.. So I
[2:56:26] really appreciate you being part
[2:56:29] of it. The other -- couple of
[2:56:32] other things is I want to thank
[2:56:35] doug and his staff and the
[2:56:37] thousand volunteers on the point
[2:56:40] in time count. This past --
[2:56:42] couple of weeks ago now. This
[2:56:44] is very important to us. So the
[2:56:46] data is essential to access --
[2:56:48] assess our coach homelessness
[2:56:50] and whether we as a county has
[2:56:53] done well or not or what each
[2:56:57] city has done, if it has worked
[2:57:01] or not. As we know, in 2024, we
[2:57:05] had 7,322 homeless individuals,
[2:57:07] which, you know, was an increase
[2:57:12] from 2022 by 37%, and we did not
[2:57:15] do any count in '23 or '25. And
[2:57:16] so this count something going to
[2:57:18] be important for us to see what
[2:57:20] has been done since '24.
[2:57:22] Whether our programs or the
[2:57:23] city's programs have worked or
[2:57:25] not worked, and whether we
[2:57:27] continue those programs or stop
[2:57:28] those programs, and we look at
[2:57:31] whether, you know, it's -- what
[2:57:32] to do going forward. And so I
[2:57:34] really appreciate the city of
[2:57:35] fountain valley because I joined
[2:57:38] them, the team of the officers,
[2:57:40] at my square park, and we drove
[2:57:42] around in fountain valley to
[2:57:43] look and talk to a lot of
[2:57:45] individuals. And it's very
[2:57:46] eye-opening to see what's
[2:57:49] happening there, especially in
[2:57:51] the evening. And so, again,
[2:57:55] thank you to doug, the oc cares
[2:57:58] staff and also the thousand of
[2:58:01] volunteers that came out to help
[2:58:05] at that -- to help. And last, I
[2:58:07] just also want to thank the
[2:58:09] board for celebrating lunar new
[2:58:12] year with us. We had a great
[2:58:14] time at the board meeting, and
[2:58:17] lots of comments and
[2:58:19] conversations of folks.
[2:58:20] Appreciate the board for
[2:58:22] continuing to recognize lunar
[2:58:26] new year, particularly in our
[2:58:28] district, would be for tet. And
[2:58:29] I was also able to participate
[2:58:32] in a lot of lunar new year
[2:58:33] events in the district.
[2:58:35] And I can say that, you know, I
[2:58:39] want to give a shout-out to my
[2:58:41] staff that a whole week and a
[2:58:43] half was exhausting for us. We,
[2:58:47] you know, when new year's eve
[2:58:49] events, temple run, which, you
[2:58:51] know, a lot of us got back at
[2:58:52] probably 1:30 in the morning.
[2:58:54] And so really appreciate my
[2:58:56] staff for hanging in there and,
[2:58:58] even though it was raining on
[2:59:00] us, as well, for being out
[2:59:03] there, for being troopers and
[2:59:06] then into -- being a part the
[2:59:11] tet parade this past weekend in
[2:59:13] westminster and appreciate all
[2:59:14] of their support and all of the
[2:59:16] volunteers that came out to help
[2:59:17] us in the parade as well, and
[2:59:19] thank you to this board for the
[2:59:19] recognition of lunar new year
[2:59:22] and tet in orange county. Thank
[2:59:24] you, MR. CHAIRMAN.
[2:59:25] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank
[2:59:28] you, supervisor. Vice-chair.
[2:59:29] >>v. Chair, katrina foley: thank
[2:59:32] you, MR. CHAIRMAN. And, yes,
[2:59:34] this -- I feel like this year
[2:59:35] has been the most celebrated
[2:59:37] lunar new year of anytime I've
[2:59:39] ever seen in our whole county.
[2:59:41] So it's wonderful, so many
[2:59:43] colorful, joyful celebration,
[2:59:44] and thanks for bringing all of
[2:59:48] the decorations to the sixth
[2:59:49] floor and the nice treats that
[2:59:51] you shared with us at our lunch
[2:59:53] meeting last time. So lots of
[2:59:55] things to celebrate here in
[2:59:58] orange county. One thing -- one
[3:00:00] issue that has been percolating
[3:00:07] in our district is the san juan
[3:00:09] creek channels. I want to thank
[3:00:11] orange county public works and
[3:00:13] our agricultural commissioner
[3:00:15] for the time expended and the
[3:00:17] deep dive in briefing with my
[3:00:19] time on all of the county's san
[3:00:22] juan and trabuco creeks and
[3:00:24] maintenance plans, the different
[3:00:25] ways we manage our channels, the
[3:00:27] history of managing our channels
[3:00:29] and the use of herbicides
[3:00:31] specifically in our flood
[3:00:33] channels. So the community has
[3:00:34] been communicating with us quite
[3:00:38] a bit about the san juan and
[3:00:40] trabuco creeks. And as our team
[3:00:42] knows well, I'm very much
[3:00:43] opposed to herbicides in our
[3:00:45] public spaces and our waterways.
[3:00:49] I share -- I've shared many of
[3:00:49] these concerns and all of the
[3:00:50] questions that we are receiving
[3:00:52] with our orange county public
[3:00:55] works team and I'll continue
[3:00:56] engaging with our county staff
[3:00:59] on different alternatives. We
[3:01:06] want to assure the public that
[3:01:08] round-up/gliff say the, has not
[3:01:10] been applied to the tra bush oh
[3:01:14] or san juan creek flued channels
[3:01:15] eyewitness news since JANUARY of
[3:01:18] 2025, the reason we know that is
[3:01:19] because we received complaints
[3:01:21] in JANUARY of 2025. Formal
[3:01:22] complaints were made. An
[3:01:25] investigation ensued. And
[3:01:27] because we take these complaints
[3:01:29] seriously, the investigation
[3:01:31] found that the contractor was
[3:01:33] not in compliance, and then our
[3:01:38] county staff acted decisively.
[3:01:40] Gliff say the has not been used
[3:01:41] since then and not be applied
[3:01:46] those channels again.
[3:01:48] Glyfhosate. The county is only
[3:01:50] approved to apply state water
[3:01:53] board and epa approved
[3:01:55] herbicides to vegetation and
[3:01:56] flood control channels. And the
[3:01:58] reason for that is so that
[3:02:00] people don't experience flooding
[3:02:01] in their homes. This channel
[3:02:02] was developed and house built
[3:02:04] and commercial retail built all
[3:02:07] along it, and so it's a bagging
[3:02:10] act to protect the homes from
[3:02:12] flooding and keep the vegetation
[3:02:15] out in a way that is respectful
[3:02:18] of, you know, the humans and the
[3:02:20] natural habitat that live in the
[3:02:23] channel like fish. So we have
[3:02:26] been following the protocols for
[3:02:28] diluting the application to
[3:02:30] ensure it remains as safe as
[3:02:31] possible for humans, and we'll
[3:02:34] continue to try to balance the
[3:02:37] environmental needs, including
[3:02:40] researching cost-effective
[3:02:42] alternatives. I had a
[3:02:44] discussion with county staff
[3:02:44] yesterday about some
[3:02:45] alternatives that I'm hoping
[3:02:49] that we can research and pursue.
[3:02:51] But also with the thought in
[3:02:52] neighborhood we have to protect
[3:02:54] the property and the people from
[3:02:56] the threat of flooding. So if
[3:02:58] you have questions for our
[3:03:00] office or public works or the
[3:03:01] healthcare agency, you can come
[3:03:03] to our town hall. The town hall
[3:03:06] is on monday MARCH 2nd at 6:00
[3:03:10] P.M.. Please rsvp, and you can
[3:03:13] contact our office to do so.
[3:03:14] And you can contact public works
[3:03:19] for any additional inquiries at
[3:03:20] 714-667-8800. And in the
[3:03:23] interest of time, I want to just
[3:03:25] focus quickly on travelers who
[3:03:28] might be stuck in puerto
[3:03:30] vallarta. In the fifth district
[3:03:31] we have a lot of travelers that
[3:03:34] go to puerto vallarta. The
[3:03:36] country is pretty much on
[3:03:42] lock-down in some areas,
[3:03:43] tijuana, guadalajara, puerto
[3:03:45] vallarta and the U.S. State
[3:03:46] department is advising americans
[3:03:47] as well as others that are
[3:03:49] traveling to seek shelter,
[3:03:50] minimize unnecessary movements,
[3:03:52] remain in hotels or residences,
[3:03:54] be aware of your surroundings.
[3:03:55] Anyone needing assistance can
[3:04:03] call from U.S. Or canada,
[3:04:09] 1-888-407-4747. Or if you're in
[3:04:14] mexico and you need call
[3:04:15] 1-202-501-4444. Southwest
[3:04:16] airlines, which travels direct
[3:04:19] from jwa to mexico are advising
[3:04:23] to check with
[3:04:23] southwest.Com/traveladvisor for
[3:04:26] information. And then the state
[3:04:28] department has this american
[3:04:30] citizens services task force for
[3:04:32] U.S. Citizens in mexico, and you
[3:04:35] can call a number to help get
[3:04:41] returned travel 202-501-4444.
[3:04:45] Or 1-888407-4747.
[3:04:47] I already gave those numbers.
[3:04:51] So with that, thank you to my
[3:04:52] colleagues for a very productive
[3:04:54] meeting today. And it's only
[3:04:55] noon.
[3:04:56] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
[3:04:57] vice-chair. Supervisor
[3:04:57] sarmiento.
[3:04:58] >>vincente sarmiento: thank you,
[3:05:02] MR. Chair. I have just a few
[3:05:04] items, and if the board will
[3:05:05] indulge me on these, I'll try go
[3:05:08] rapid me. I -- rapidly. I want
[3:05:11] to thank our partners who helped
[3:05:12] us with the health and resource
[3:05:13] fair this saturday the 21st.
[3:05:14] We hosted at anaheim high
[3:05:17] school. We want to thank their
[3:05:18] board of trustees and the
[3:05:21] principal there. Principal
[3:05:23] rubin.
[3:05:26] He and his team were just very
[3:05:28] gracious and opening up the
[3:05:29] campus. It's a beautiful
[3:05:33] campus. It's a historic campus,
[3:05:37] and our partners, who kind of
[3:05:40] anchored this were social
[3:05:42] service agency, ahn tran was
[3:05:45] there and also caloptima. So we
[3:05:47] want to thank our partners who
[3:05:51] were there, notably lestinac,
[3:05:52] cap oc, second harvest food
[3:05:58] bank, choc, central city,
[3:05:59] united, across borders and many,
[3:06:02] many others. They were doing
[3:06:05] medical screenings, reading
[3:06:07] glasses on the spot and just a
[3:06:09] lot of good stuff, groceries,
[3:06:10] diapers, people who were just
[3:06:13] trying to help their neighbors.
[3:06:14] Unfortunately, attendance wasn't
[3:06:15] as large as we would have
[3:06:16] expected just because we know
[3:06:18] there was a lot of fear, and it
[3:06:21] was palpable in people who were
[3:06:22] there. We saw it in their
[3:06:24] faces, and they explained to us
[3:06:27] that their neighbors would have
[3:06:28] attended had conditions been
[3:06:29] different. But they're still
[3:06:32] fearful of immigration raids and
[3:06:34] enforcement that has communities
[3:06:36] really kind of closed off. So
[3:06:40] that was one. And the other one
[3:06:41] is our warm program. We just
[3:06:43] wanted to update, we know it's
[3:06:44] beautiful weather right now.
[3:06:46] It's 80 degrees outside right
[3:06:48] now. Last week we had a lot of
[3:06:49] rain and previously, and I'm
[3:06:50] sure we'll have more. The warm
[3:06:53] program in its second year is
[3:06:56] our effort to stand up what was
[3:06:59] the cold weather shelter, and on
[3:07:00] JANUARY 1st, the program
[3:07:05] started providing motel stays to
[3:07:06] elementary-age students and
[3:07:08] their families during periods of
[3:07:10] inclement weather. We partner
[3:07:11] with all five school districts
[3:07:13] in our area, and for families in
[3:07:14] need. So if you know of
[3:07:17] anybody, please have them
[3:07:19] contact their school districts,
[3:07:20] teachers, principals so they can
[3:07:21] connect with their program. It
[3:07:24] was able to support some
[3:07:25] families through some very cold
[3:07:26] nights and continue to activate
[3:07:28] on nights when temperatures drop
[3:07:30] below 45 degrees and during
[3:07:32] rainy weather. Lastly, I wanted
[3:07:35] to touch on the report that was
[3:07:37] just released by caloptima, and
[3:07:44] that is the audit on findings.
[3:07:46] It disclosed in the expenditures
[3:07:48] major in the period when former
[3:07:50] supervisor andrew do served on
[3:07:51] the caloptima board. You know,
[3:07:52] there was an article written on
[3:07:57] it. It's a little less than
[3:07:59] accurate, but to the extent that
[3:08:00] it captured what the board was
[3:08:02] trying to do at came optima,
[3:08:04] which was to look back and see
[3:08:05] if there was any undue influence
[3:08:07] by the former supervisor because
[3:08:09] he served as chair and served on
[3:08:10] that board as director for many
[3:08:13] years. I know that they try to
[3:08:16] budgets two reports. One that
[3:08:16] was released late last year.
[3:08:19] That was a completely separate
[3:08:22] investigation. That was into
[3:08:24] the proposed acquisition of a
[3:08:25] tustin property, which
[3:08:27] ultimately was not consummated.
[3:08:30] That was not an investigation
[3:08:31] into MR. Do. That was based
[3:08:34] upon a whistle blower claim that
[3:08:35] was made by an employee. He was
[3:08:37] part of that. He was all over
[3:08:39] that narrative. But it wasn't
[3:08:41] focused in on him. This audit
[3:08:42] in particular that was released
[3:08:46] and done by ankura was
[3:08:48] specifically focused in on his
[3:08:49] possible influence on any
[3:08:50] funding that MAY have gone
[3:08:53] through the agency. So the
[3:08:55] board initiated this. It was
[3:08:57] not obligated to do this. But
[3:09:00] it wanted to make sure that in
[3:09:02] the effort and in the spirit of
[3:09:04] transparency -- they wanted to
[3:09:04] make sure that they looked back
[3:09:06] and saw what his dealings were
[3:09:08] there. And although it was
[3:09:09] inclusive, that doesn't mean
[3:09:11] that there weren't findings or
[3:09:12] recommendations that we could
[3:09:15] take and use going forward. And
[3:09:17] that's where I use praise for
[3:09:19] the report. It be wasn't really
[3:09:20] for the findings. I know that
[3:09:22] there was some difficulty by the
[3:09:27] auditors to access information.
[3:09:29] That, I'm certainly not
[3:09:29] praising. I think there's some
[3:09:31] work and improvements that could
[3:09:32] be done, but to the extent that
[3:09:35] the board took it upon itself to
[3:09:39] initiate and complete these --
[3:09:40] both an investigation and an
[3:09:42] audit -- I think are good steps
[3:09:43] for public agencies that are
[3:09:45] trying to make sure that there
[3:09:47] is good governance,
[3:09:48] transparency, oversight and
[3:09:50] there is work to be done
[3:09:50] obviously from the
[3:09:52] recommendations that were cited.
[3:09:53] So that's something that I'm
[3:09:54] sure the board will undertake.
[3:09:55] But there have been already
[3:09:58] action taken by the board,
[3:10:00] strengthening the grant's
[3:10:02] management policy,
[3:10:04] standardsizing processes and
[3:10:05] improving oversight on every
[3:10:06] grant and updating the conflict
[3:10:08] of interest policy to clarify
[3:10:09] when conflicts must be
[3:10:09] disclosed.
[3:10:11] That was done here at county
[3:10:13] because we know that was abused
[3:10:15] by a former supervisor do. So
[3:10:17] to the extent that there is
[3:10:20] continuing work to be done,
[3:10:22] obviously there was -- you know,
[3:10:24] there's some compliance and
[3:10:24] improvements that need to be
[3:10:28] made. We know there is work to
[3:10:30] be done. But to the extent that
[3:10:31] this health plan doesn't just
[3:10:33] necessarily do medical care. We
[3:10:35] know that at caloptima, what we
[3:10:37] see is good healthcare means
[3:10:39] house, to make sure people have
[3:10:43] a roof over their head is an
[3:10:47] india of how people can be
[3:10:48] either healthy or ill, access,
[3:10:51] which is why we stood up for
[3:10:52] programs doing street medicine,
[3:10:55] which is basically doctors'
[3:10:57] offices on wheels, which helps
[3:10:59] people on the street so they can
[3:11:00] receive medical care and
[3:11:02] eventually get housing. Also we
[3:11:05] know that many of our members
[3:11:11] suffer from swo substance abuse
[3:11:13] and we had narcan that was
[3:11:14] distributed throughout the
[3:11:17] county to make sure people had
[3:11:19] that who were addicted or use
[3:11:20] fentanyl. We know many of our
[3:11:22] members suffer from food
[3:11:23] insecurity, which is why 1.2
[3:11:26] million was dedicated to second
[3:11:27] harvest and cap oc to make sure
[3:11:28] that we address those issues.
[3:11:31] So the reason why I think that's
[3:11:33] relevant is because this health
[3:11:36] plan now, again, dispenses more
[3:11:38] than just medical care. It does
[3:11:40] grants. It works, community
[3:11:42] partners and providers, and a
[3:11:43] lot of times, you know, it is
[3:11:45] not as familiar as maybe some of
[3:11:48] the agencies that, you know, do
[3:11:49] oversight compliance and
[3:11:53] tracking of funds, you know, as
[3:11:54] often as this health plan does.
[3:11:59] We will certainly get into that,
[3:12:01] you know, routine of making sure
[3:12:03] that they track these things
[3:12:06] better, and looking back, having
[3:12:07] audits done, investigations
[3:12:09] done, there are opportunities
[3:12:11] for us to improve both here at
[3:12:13] the county and at caloptima and
[3:12:14] make sure that all public
[3:12:17] dollars are accounted for,
[3:12:19] there's responsibility and
[3:12:19] oversight on those. So I just
[3:12:20] wanted to make some clarity on,
[3:12:23] that that I am very proud of our
[3:12:24] board who undertook these things
[3:12:26] voluntarily. Much work to be
[3:12:27] done, and I believe a lot of
[3:12:30] compliance training that, you
[3:12:32] know, that plan could learn
[3:12:32] from, you know, agencies that we
[3:12:34] all sit on that do very good
[3:12:36] work on track and oversight. So
[3:12:38] with that, MR. Chair, those are
[3:12:39] my comments for the day.
[3:12:41] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
[3:12:44] supervisor. I will make a few
[3:12:46] of my own. First, I'd like to
[3:12:47] thank supervisor nguyen for
[3:12:49] setting up the little seance we
[3:12:52] had with the hud people and the
[3:12:53] staff that attend as well, and
[3:12:56] particularly our ceo. It was, I
[3:13:00] thought, a good rapport that was
[3:13:01] established, something I don't
[3:13:02] think we've had in the past.
[3:13:05] You can look at all of the words
[3:13:06] in your application, but when
[3:13:09] you put it face to face, it
[3:13:10] really helps. I think we'll
[3:13:11] move forward successfully when
[3:13:15] we get to those various
[3:13:15] applications that they were
[3:13:20] talking about. And I had my
[3:13:21] usual good time on valentine's
[3:13:23] day. My eighth year in a row
[3:13:26] that I've spent in the clerk's
[3:13:28] office officiating weddings. I
[3:13:29] was able to do six of them this
[3:13:31] last valentine's day at the
[3:13:34] anaheim office. And that for me
[3:13:36] is always fun, to see some happy
[3:13:39] people and participate in their
[3:13:45] joy. We have a couple events
[3:13:48] coming up. We have our elder
[3:13:50] fraud prevention. There it is.
[3:13:52] Up, there coming up this
[3:13:55] thursday. Elderly people are
[3:13:57] probability most often scammed
[3:13:59] group. So we want to give them
[3:14:02] as much information so they can
[3:14:05] protect themselves. So that's
[3:14:05] coming up. The information is
[3:14:08] up there. It is thursday at
[3:14:08] noon. We'll have a little
[3:14:10] something to eat, as well, being
[3:14:16] noontime. And then more fun, on
[3:14:18] MARCH 14, coming up, assuming no
[3:14:20] rain, we will be holding another
[3:14:23] fishing derby for kids. On
[3:14:26] MARCH 14, beginning at 8:00,
[3:14:28] ending at 11:00. We do have
[3:14:30] fish rods and bait and all that
[3:14:31] and the lake will be stocked. I
[3:14:33] hope you like catfish because
[3:14:34] that's what we have available at
[3:14:42] this time. Always fun to see a
[3:14:45] 5-year-old hold up a two-foot
[3:14:46] catfish. Almost the same height
[3:14:48] when they hold that up. If you
[3:14:51] have a fishing license after 11,
[3:14:52] there's still plenty of fish
[3:14:53] there, you can join in, even
[3:14:55] though you're not a kid. So
[3:14:57] some fun things coming up for
[3:14:59] me. We also at the end of the
[3:15:01] day appreciate the orange county
[3:15:02] employee association coming in
[3:15:05] and providing lunch with their
[3:15:07] hot dog machine that they have
[3:15:09] there. So ceo agruye
[3:15:10] rey, do you
[3:15:12] have any -- ceo aguirre, do you
[3:15:14] have any comments you'd like to
[3:15:15] make.
[3:15:15] >>michelle aguirre: I'll echo
[3:15:17] the comments from yourself and
[3:15:18] also from supervisor nguyen
[3:15:19] related to our meeting with hud
[3:15:21] on friday night. I think one of
[3:15:22] the things that I found to be
[3:15:25] most impactful was when we were
[3:15:27] speaking about clearing the
[3:15:28] riverbed, and a couple of the
[3:15:30] graduates of the oc rescue
[3:15:31] mission from actually on the
[3:15:33] riverbed at that time. So it
[3:15:35] was great to be able to
[3:15:37] communicate with them and hear
[3:15:37] their stories.
[3:15:39] I thought it
[3:15:40] was a great night also. So
[3:15:42] thank you. And just one
[3:15:45] shout-out, so this past friday,
[3:15:49] the ceo government affairs and
[3:15:51] communications team conducted an
[3:15:53] oc cares photo shoot to dewpoint
[3:15:56] the great work that our oc cares
[3:15:57] initiative is doing. And it was
[3:16:00] at craig regional park in
[3:16:03] fullerton. We just want to give
[3:16:05] kudos to the four parpght
[3:16:08] probation officers, michael
[3:16:10] castill, colleen burn, francisco
[3:16:13] free was, and jorge cast none
[3:16:15] for their time, professionalism
[3:16:16] and their commitment to this
[3:16:18] initiative and to our community
[3:16:20] partner project kinship for
[3:16:21] their participation. And then
[3:16:24] this was right after the stormy
[3:16:28] weather that we had last week.
[3:16:29] And so a big thank you to the oc
[3:16:32] parks crew who went above and
[3:16:34] beyond to ensure that we had a
[3:16:37] successful production at craig
[3:16:40] park. Park ranger james kim,
[3:16:42] supervising park ranger jason
[3:16:43] arthur along with our
[3:16:46] maintenance team of chavez,
[3:16:53] caesar, alvarez and enrique
[3:16:55] ororsco led a clean-up effort,
[3:16:57] even repainting the hand ball
[3:17:02] court before the photo shoot,
[3:17:04] cleaning up debris, and just a
[3:17:06] shout-out to you. Greatly
[3:17:08] appreciate all of your efforts.
[3:17:10] Thank you, chair.
[3:17:10] >>chair, doug chaffee: thank you
[3:17:13] MADAM Ceo. MADAM Clerk, you can
[3:17:19] read the closed-session items.
[3:17:21] >>clerk, robin stieler: cs-1 has
[3:17:21] been deleted.
[3:17:22] >>clerk, robin stieler: cs-2.
[3:17:23] Public employee performance
[3:17:24] evaluation-pursuant to
[3:17:27] government code section 54957(B):
[3:17:28] title:executive director of the
[3:17:30] campaign finance and ethics commission.
[3:17:33] (Continued from 2/10/26, item cs-2)
[3:17:40] Scs3. County counsel-
[3:17:41] conference with legal counsel-
[3:17:41] existing litigation-pursuant
[3:17:43] to government code section 54956.9(D)(1):
[3:17:44] name of case: mind oc v. County
[3:17:44] of orange, orange county
[3:17:45] superior court case
[3:17:46] no.: 30-2024-01442012-cu-co-cjc.
[3:17:47] Scs4. County counsel-
[3:17:48] conference with legal counsel-
[3:17:49] existing litigation-pursuant
[3:17:51] to government code section 54956.9(D)(1):
[3:17:53] name of cases: clarisse magtoto
[3:17:54] v. County of orange, orange
[3:18:07] county superior court case no. 30-2022-01241335,
[3:18:07] amy tallakson v. County of
[3:18:08] orange, orange county superior
[3:18:09] court case no. 30-2022-01241346,
[3:18:10] shabnum azizi v. County of
[3:18:10] orange, orange county superior
[3:18:11] court case no. 30-2022-01232544,
[3:18:12] mallory miller v. County of
[3:18:13] orange, orange county superior
[3:18:13] court case no. 30-2022-01252436,
[3:18:14] bethel cope-vega v. County of
[3:18:15] orange, orange county superior
[3:18:16] court case no. 30-2022-01252452,
[3:18:17] mohammad abuershaid v. County of
[3:18:18] orange, orange county superior
[3:18:19] court case no. 30-2022-01243989,
[3:18:19] and tracy miller v. County of
[3:18:20] orange et al., orange county
[3:18:24] superior court case no. 30-2022-01262015.
[3:18:24] >>chair, doug chaffee: we are
[3:18:30] adjourned to closed sessions.
[3:20:35] >>leon page: pursuant to
[3:20:39] government code section 5 foifer
[3:20:40] 5497b and section d the board
[3:20:41] met in closed sessions to
[3:20:43] discuss the items referenced on
[3:20:46] today's agenda as cs2, cs3, and
[3:20:49] scs4. Cs1 was actually deleted.
[3:20:50] With respect to those three
[3:20:52] items the board took no
[3:20:54] reportable action in closed
[3:20:55] sessions today. Thank you.
[3:20:56] >>clerk, robin stieler: that
[3:20:58] concludes today'sed a. The next
[3:20:59] meeting is scheduled for tuesday
[3:21:01] MARCH 10th at 9:30 A.M.
[3:21:02] Today's meeting of the orange
[3:21:05] county board of supervisors