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» All right. I'd like to call to order the

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August 24th uh premeating. We have a

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plan RBA uh to discuss the three notched

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trails. So, first so much for for coming

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out and we'll turn it right over to you.

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>> Thank you. Yeah. Um I'll go ahead and

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see if I can share this right quick.

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Here

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we go. Uh, yes. Thank you for having me.

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I am Bill Rian. I am a transportation

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planner for Plan RBA and have been there

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for about 10 years. Just finished my

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10th year. Fellow Mer across the the way

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here. Um, I was going to say, um, I've

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been working with, uh, Lean Webb and

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Megan Heatwall on this this plan. They

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are part of our stakeholder team. Um,

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it's really the western spine, but we've

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been calling it three notches.

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[laughter] Three notches is nowhere near

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here. It's kind of uh, more of that

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corridor between Richmond and

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Charlottesville, but it's it's how we we

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hope to get a connection between

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Richmond and Charlottesville. really if

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you think about it all the way down the

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peninsula um using the Capitol Trail up

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to Stanton. That's an eventual goal of

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this but for us it's just within our

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region. So um

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the you can see on the goals here

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identify that preferred corridor along

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the western spine. Like I said we've got

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a stakeholder team. We've been working

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with all the different localities

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between Richmond and well the Bana

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But all these are a part of our efforts

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here. You know, trying to get a

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multi-use trail facility uh to, you

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know, enhance regional active

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transportation network. That's my main

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thing. I'm an active transportation

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planner. Uh but trying to get, you know,

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safer access uh connecting uh key

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locations and and destinations uh

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population centers. This particular

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study we started last uh summer and you

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know, we have to wrap it up by December.

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So pretty tight timeline. We've gone

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through three of four of the stakeholder

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committees. So again, the who we're

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working with uh each of the five

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localities, Cuchand Powan, Chesterfield,

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Enriiko, and the city of Richmond. And

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then we've been consulting in the

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background with uh Virginia uh Capital

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Trail Foundation, which obviously they

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set a high precedent with that trail um

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the soil and water conservation

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district, the Capital Region Land

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Conservancy. And then outside of our

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region, we've been working with the uh

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everything that's west. So our planning

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would end in at that Gland Fana boundary

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but um we've been working with the

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Thomas Jefferson uh planning district

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commission city of Charlottesville

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Abomar and Fana counties and then the

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Ravana trail conservy because it all

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kind of started with them and then in

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that connectivity for the state the uh

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the VOTE state trail state office of

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trails.

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to do is work with what we've already

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got. We there's planning in each of the nine localities in the Richmond

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region. We've just used some of the

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planning that already exists and and and

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adding that. Then we're looking at how

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do we then connect gaps or close the

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gaps I should say uh with all of these

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different localities. And you know again

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the exercise is to identify that

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feasible continuous regionally supported

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western spine. you know, Richmond all

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the way to or at least toward

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pulled from our regional bicycle and

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pedestrian plan. Some of you may be

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familiar with that. It's it was approved

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by our policy board um in May of 22 and

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we're on every couple years we're

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updating all of that data. Um this is

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the existing

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[clears throat and laughter] facilities

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in the region. Um we've got uh

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approximately 210 combined miles of of

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different bike bike bike infrastructure.

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heading off to the southeast there.

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on fall line which you can see a little

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blue line from that blob in the center

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there Ashlin heading down. That's going

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to be a 43 mile trail connecting Ashlin

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to Petersburg. So that's our north and

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when it gets to the line, there's that

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one mile. So, got more work to get done,

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but that's the beginning. Okay. Um

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here's that spine network. And this is

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something that we've had our uh through

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committee that they worked uh we worked

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with them to to put this together. the spines, the red lines, those are the

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there are gaps within that. The blue is

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the spurs. Those are supposed to connect

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spines. And as you can see, there's a

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huge gap just to the west in in the

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Richmond area. There's no spine. So,

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some of that effort, what we were doing

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those potential connections. Um, not all

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aspirational like our proposed

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connections. So again, here's the the

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capital trail and you got the the fault

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line. That's that spine network. We're

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working on the western part. Now, this

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we you have a trails plan. I'm pretty

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sure according to Megan, you guys uh

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approved all this, but you know, there

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the Hugenat Trail and 522. Um, but I'm

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also here on behalf of how can we work

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you know, funding, which I've been

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what could um, you know, what's the low

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hanging fruit using, you know, your

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existing plan, what's your highest

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priorities, which you've identified in

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your your trails plan. So, again, you

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know, how do we make those things happen

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too, not just the the theuh three notch

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trail plan? Um, again, I won't go into

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too much of this, but on the other side

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of Charlottesville, they're working on

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the Crosseé Trail, and that's supposed

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to connect essentially from western

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country here. So again, like is this

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bikes, runners, pedestrians, but for

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horses as well? So, you know, every

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trail that we've done, uh, fall line is

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how much of this should be considered,

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really have to plan ahead. You those

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trailers when people are bringing

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line corridor so the slope is more

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mountain like you know you see with 64

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with other you know the state outdoors

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plan uh BOT has uh multiple plans and so

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those are advising some of this so we

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trail mentioned on um Hugenot trail is

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River Heritage Trail plan. So again a

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lot of these communities a lot of the I

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should say counties and localities use

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that uh do I'm sorry department of

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conservation recreation plan the James

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Heritage Trail to have that orange line

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for this. This is just being done within

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staff. This is not a huge public effort

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at this time, but you know, our project

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with Fluana on how would we move through

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how would a trail move through the

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county to Charlottesville and then um

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city. We've had three meetings so far

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with our stakeholder group with one more

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planned in November and that's sort of

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the, you know, we uh are near the

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finished product and we're going to, you

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that time. So um the the previous

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meeting uh let's see yeah

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all these different lines different

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colors are representing each locality um

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the stakeholder group to cut away a lot

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to work that's actually three notched

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corridor the old um three notched

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[clears throat] road was uh in place and

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then you know that's how US 250 came

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to get them to really commit fully to

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just one line. But um in Pan, we've been

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working with U Lian Web and and Megan.

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plans. Um, so we call that the James

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um of 522 or or does it cut over

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>> that old river trail, which is what that

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little blurb is right there? the from

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Maidens at 522 that Guchand actually has

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a greenway trail planned just east of

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the the courthouse. So it's not right

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down the middle of the road on on Route

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6. Is that is that what you're asking?

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>> No, I guess I was just trying to find

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out if the trail is obviously it follows

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7-Eleven to 522, but there's also that line that goes down the trail as

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well.

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>> Um yes, that's more of the scenic byway.

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Okay. Uh, and I have to say that was not

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necessarily on the comp plan, but there

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were um again that we followed some of

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that scenic byway in that corridor. You

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can't see it as well, but as it goes

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that center line right right in here, um

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that's headed toward the the prison farm

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and there's natural surface trail in the um the uh trail plan that points

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along the river there. And I kind of

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fudged a little bit in the very eastern

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heading towards Watkins because the line

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doesn't extend past 288, but at one

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point we were trying to convince

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Chesterfield to stay along the river

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from their Robius Landing Park and then

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head to Watkins. So something that's

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more rivercentric, but yes, that one

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outcropping there is is sort of

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following Gotcha. I don't remember that.

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>> Old River Trail.

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>> Okay. Fantastic.

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>> Conveniently named.

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>> That's probably why I got confused.

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So when you say trail, are these just

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natural? So is this like the Blue Ridge

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um mountain trail?

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>> The the the goal would be to have it be

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separated from the road, have it be, you

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know, 12t wide paved. Could be that, you

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know, like if you've ever been to um uh

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Hybrbridge Trail Safe Park, that's, you

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know, crushed limestone uh surface. Um

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anything like that that is uh but safe.

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It's it's pulled away. that's somewhat

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uh that's a sustainable trail. For

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example, you you're not going to have a

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lot of rudded um rained out sections,

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but the again the goal would be to have

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it be separated from the roadway. Is

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that is that answering?

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>> Yeah, I mean I'm I'm just you're talking

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about horses and bikes and stuff like

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that. I mean, are all they going to be

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all of it multi-use or the horse trail

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ends here and then the bike trail starts

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there and then you know,

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>> some of them

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>> is it a walking trail? You know, you got

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the Blue Ridge Parkway, you got the

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trail that runs all the way from Lake

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Maine all the way down. Is it similar to

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>> Oh, I see what you're asking. Yeah. I

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mean, there's East Coast Greenway will

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follow a fall line. That's a trail. It's

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just a series of other trails. Um, not

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really a consistent surface. Uh, yeah, I

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would say the goal would be to have it,

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you know, 12t wide, something that is

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not a road

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>> and like a Blue Ridge Parkway. I mean,

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that's obviously a huge roadway, but um

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the the idea though is is its own

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standalone thing. Robius Road that we've

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had there, Chesterfield, you you may

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have seen that there are existing bike

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lanes along that. It's 45 mph road,

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>> trail.

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Yes, that's more natural surface as in

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you're just on rocks. You're on whatever

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the surface is through. And I was going

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to say with Roius Road, they're planning

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to have a shared use path. uh to the

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side and you know move on from having

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that really busy traffic uh I'm sorry

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the bike lanes right next to that busy

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traffic. Um

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>> I you said part of this would be on 71

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>> in theory. Yes. Um and working with

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Ligan Web, you know, that's a very busy

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corridor as you all know. I mean

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>> it's also no shoulder,

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>> right? Well, that's we wouldn't want it

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to be on the shoulder. It would be if we

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could if the if if your your locality

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chose to go forward with something like

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that, how do we separate? How how would

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there be some separation or

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>> how's it mean just to to help provide a

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little is it something that we just

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>> try to get easements or something along

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[clears throat] the trail or how does

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that work for

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>> Well, I I would say using the the

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capital trail as an example like route

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five is the the main spine through

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there.

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>> That's a scenic byway as well. B do

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administered that project because

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essentially the Capitol Trail acts like

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a um an

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you know a complimentary route to that.

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Again it's sometimes pretty close to

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following that the contours of that. Um

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sometimes it it very it pulls away

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because the opportunity to go through a

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certain property um was was easier. Um

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there are a few sections in Charles City

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County where it's right up next to the

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road, which isn't ideal, but it's not

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miles and miles of that. Um but yes, it

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would be one of those VOTE had to with each of those property owners

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negotiate, you know, right away. Um it's

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about 11 miles we're trying to cover

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with 7-Eleven and it may not all be

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convenient to have it, and I know

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there's a lot of historic properties on

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there. It would be it it'd be a heavy

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lift to have it right along that one

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corridor. Um that's why we do have some

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highlighted options for things that were

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identified in the p the u the the county

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trail plan that are pulled away. Um the

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ones that are closer to the river were

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marked as uh natural surface trail. So

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you know if that's how we have to settle

403
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if and again this is if you wanted to

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proceed with something like this. This

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is you know my grandkids might enjoy

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this trail kind of thing. [laughter]

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>> I don't have grandkids.

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>> Go ahead.

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Going back to the one mile that you

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mentioned that is a POW tan that you are

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planning for. Could you bring that show

412
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me where that one mile is again please?

413
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>> Your backyard.

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>> My backyard.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Great. So uh yes this ATV is up and

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down.

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>> This is 288 and then the the interchange

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with Gigi Trail and and 288 here and um

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the the county line there. This is I

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guess the Winterfield area. So, you

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know, th those are bike lanes that are

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on the side of the road and it it

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continues all the way uh on Robius. This

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is uh Polo Parkway and like, you know,

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shops at um Bgrade area in Chesterfield.

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So, it's a pretty long distance. I I've

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biked that plenty of times, but it's not

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something I would take an 8-year-old on.

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What we're trying to to do is make it to

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where somebody who's new to cycling

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would be would feel comfortable or you

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know obviously if you got a young kid

434
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that you're with, you wouldn't want

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[clears throat] tractor trailers or

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whatever right next to them. Megan that

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one mile, how does it template over the

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approved trails plan that we parks and

439
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register does it?

440
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>> I have to go back and look.

441
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>> Okay.

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to him.

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Um, that was about the the gist of

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everything. I was going to say I don't

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think I have Yeah, that was it. Um, I I

446
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could answer plenty of questions as best

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I can. I was going to say again, I'm

448
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glad you're in the room. We talked a

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little bit at our meeting about, you

450
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know, your actual trails plan and and

451
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how can we help uh move that along? uh

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you know find find those um

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highest priority projects as you've

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identified and and you know let's find

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some funding for to to move some of

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those along. Um, but in particular with

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the Three Notch Trail, um, a lot of what

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we we just to sum it up, a lot of what

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we talked about was, um, access to the

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river, being closest to those

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recreational sources, uh, trying to

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connect some of the existing historical

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sites and and, um, what was it? Fine

464
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Creek.

465
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>> Oh, Pine Creek.

466
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>> Yeah. Some of those cooler uh, sites

467
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that are that people would want to get

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to

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>> destinations.

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>> Yeah, destinations. Exactly. along those

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corridors. So, um anyway,

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yeah. Yeah. Obviously,

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I like I like the path. Obviously, it's

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going to go through three of the

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supervisors districts,

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>> right?

477
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>> Um

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>> I've run firing mask calls up that

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corridor for 26 years.

480
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>> Y

481
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>> So, I I I know it very very well. Um I

482
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know the hazards of it. Uh, but I also

483
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love the idea of bringing

484
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um and and providing something like that

485
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and what it could do to that area. Um,

486
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can you answer a question about funding?

487
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How's this typically done? Is it through

488
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grants? Is it through CVTA funding,

489
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funneling money to them or or what?

490
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>> With Fall Line, like I said, we're

491
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working on we're still working on

492
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funding that fully, but um Fall Line is

493
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a 43 mile trail. Um they just completed

494
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last last fall the first section um

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that's basically 5 milesi from just

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north and Reicho up to Ashland. That was

497
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mostly with CBTA money. Um CBTA

498
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committed 108 million I think it was in

499
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the first goound. The original estimate

500
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was about 300 million to cost. Now it's

501
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closer to 450 million because when we

502
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started planners are laughing that's

503
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what happens but anyway CBTA was one way

504
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um there have been other contributions

505
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uh state level committed some money um

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because there's seven different

507
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localities those seven localities are

508
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trying to fill in some of the gaps

509
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[snorts] right now we're working on

510
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Petersburg up to Chester that's being

511
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like they're they're groundbreaking next

512
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month And most of the funding is in

513
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place for that as well. But the gap the donnut hole essentially from that

514
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Chesterfield section up to Henriiko I

515
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should say Henriiko's funded and almost

516
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all of theirs is there's multiple

517
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funding buckets. So again to answer your

518
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question it's not one funding bucket.

519
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It's the solution.

520
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Isn't it kind of hard to define where

521
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the trails are going to be if you

522
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haven't gotten these ones yet?

523
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>> With fall line, um Richmond's still

524
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working on some of their final lines. Um

525
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Chesterfield had some identified in

526
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their plans. Um and they basically

527
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followed a lot of that corridor. Some of

528
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it had to shift due to a solar farm

529
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being built in the center of one

530
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section. uh a shooting range I think was

531
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,799
near uh they're they were using an old

532
00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:01,360
rail line but those are opportunities

533
00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:03,440
that they had already identified. Uh I

534
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,120
think in what we're talking about here

535
00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:07,760
is sort of a blank slate. We have that

536
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,480
corridor we don't necessarily have you

537
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,039
know lined up a series of property

538
00:22:13,039 --> 00:22:16,480
owners that were already teed up for it.

539
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,280
Capital trail I think was u a lot more

540
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,240
of that you know property by property.

541
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,480
Um it is one of those when they did have

542
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:25,679
the funding in place and started

543
00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:28,799
building it. It wasn't a march from you

544
00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:31,440
know Jamestown to to Richmond to do the

545
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,159
trail. It was pieces and parts in and as

546
00:22:34,159 --> 00:22:35,760
they were going everybody's like why is

547
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,320
this a gap? Why I have not you have why

548
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,400
haven't you finished my part? You know

549
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,240
point being though that momentum that

550
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,400
helps build that momentum toward having

551
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,159
more funding but it may not always help

552
00:22:48,159 --> 00:22:49,919
if the property owners don't want it.

553
00:22:49,919 --> 00:22:51,760
And I know 7-Eleven has a lot of

554
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,600
historic again a lot of historic

555
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,760
properties and it might be difficult.

556
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,880
Um, so yeah, that's our perspective that

557
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,159
would be awful difficult to fund because

558
00:23:02,159 --> 00:23:04,080
you you can say you want to go this way

559
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,280
and then all of a sudden you got

560
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,720
property owners. Well, now it's got to

561
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,159
go this way. So we dedicate x amount of

562
00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:11,840
dollars, but now the trails got to be

563
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,440
longer because it's got to go around

564
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,200
people that weren't giving willing to

565
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,440
give an easement. So, it's really hard

566
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,360
for the county to budget something like

567
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:22,320
that, right, when we don't know point A

568
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,000
to point B and what that's going to look

569
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,039
like.

570
00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:28,960
>> It it it is um each of them ends up

571
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,679
being a different u approach, different

572
00:23:31,679 --> 00:23:35,200
um solution uh to those those obstacles.

573
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,039
They're working right now uh an

574
00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:39,200
extension of the Capitol Trail and it

575
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,559
basically matches what you're talking

576
00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:43,280
about from Jamestown towards Newport

577
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,320
News. a lot. It's a tight corridor. A

578
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,760
lot of different waterways that affect

579
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,679
that. And yes, it the the distance has

580
00:23:51,679 --> 00:23:54,000
changed a few times. The the course

581
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,000
they're trying to get get to has

582
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,039
changed, but I would think that if if it

583
00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:00,159
is something that the county was

584
00:24:00,159 --> 00:24:03,039
interested in that you would have at

585
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:05,840
least some preliminary work, we talked a

586
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,679
little bit about like how how would you

587
00:24:07,679 --> 00:24:10,159
execute a trails plan? you may need some

588
00:24:10,159 --> 00:24:14,000
extra help. Some some uh more than just

589
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,320
one person trying to tackle that. Um and

590
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,120
in in that case, uh if you like say had

591
00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,360
a trails manager position that could

592
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:24,000
help, you know, knock on those doors. My

593
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,320
family's from Martinsville. When they've

594
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,000
uh tried to put together some of the

595
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,159
trails there, they they had a foundation

596
00:24:30,159 --> 00:24:31,679
that was doing some of the door

597
00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:34,480
knocking. But yeah, it's each one of

598
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,080
them has a different approach and a

599
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,760
different solution. I thought good job

600
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,316
for our deputy county administrator.

601
00:24:40,316 --> 00:24:44,230
[laughter]

602
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,200
» Well, I uh I noticed John leaned over

603
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,360
and whispered in Megan's ear. Uh the

604
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:51,679
foundation is something that Parks and

605
00:24:51,679 --> 00:24:53,520
Wreck has been working on and thinking

606
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,840
about for some time, recognizing that

607
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,679
there's uh there's multiple ways to skin

608
00:24:57,679 --> 00:25:00,080
the cat, you know, and and as not only a

609
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,080
fundraising arm, but a force force

610
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,240
multiplier. And uh yeah, I think that

611
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,799
that's a a great example of how that

612
00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:09,279
group could be leveraged.

613
00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:11,120
>> We talked the other day about you all

614
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,120
have agreements with your farmers market

615
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,360
with groups and having some co-managing

616
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:16,720
maybe something to that to to that

617
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,480
effect a solution where hey we have a

618
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,679
co-trail issue or not issue but

619
00:25:21,679 --> 00:25:24,720
opportunity you know with

620
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,640
some sort of shared effort. I don't

621
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,787
know. We we were throwing some

622
00:25:28,787 --> 00:25:30,640
[clears throat] fun ideas out and all of

623
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,000
them sound really fun until you start

624
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,679
getting down to how much would this cost

625
00:25:33,679 --> 00:25:36,480
and how would this work? So, it's all

626
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,612
fun games.

627
00:25:38,612 --> 00:25:39,440
[laughter]

628
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:40,159
>> Whoa.

629
00:25:40,159 --> 00:25:42,799
>> Well, I think the question for me is

630
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:45,760
like who's going to be making the ask to

631
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,159
the property owners?

632
00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:50,400
We can commit to it all day long, but we

633
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,720
can't we can't can't necessarily force

634
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,640
property owners to

635
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,480
>> Yeah, absolutely. I will say with the

636
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,039
with fall line, they had two design

637
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:02,880
build sections. That first one that's

638
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,760
completed and the one in the south and

639
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,159
VOTE got to be the bad guy uh for a lot

640
00:26:08,159 --> 00:26:11,760
of that. Um basically the you know

641
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,480
research being done on

642
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,279
here's the general corridor and then you

643
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:19,840
know assessing which properties may be

644
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,440
effective which side of the road may be

645
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,960
preferred because you don't want to

646
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,039
switch back and forth side sides of the

647
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:26,720
road especially on a busy corridor like

648
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,000
7-Eleven. But the idea again uh of uh

649
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,240
who's going to handle you know talking

650
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,799
to the public working with so a lot of

651
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:37,679
the fall line ended up being you know V

652
00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:40,559
dot going through that public process

653
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:42,400
like I said with this we're just doing

654
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,159
the study trying to get together like is

655
00:26:46,159 --> 00:26:49,279
do are people interested in this and you

656
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:51,520
know do we pursue it and if we do what

657
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,240
are the potential corridors but um in

658
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,799
the end yeah if you if you did want to

659
00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:59,200
see it through there would be another

660
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,520
level of study. The fall line had an

661
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,000
Ashlin to Petersburg trail study and

662
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,400
that was funded through the governor's

663
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,400
office uh the office of interotal

664
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,039
planning um you know handled that it was

665
00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:14,559
about year plus study. So that's the

666
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:16,559
more serious version of we really are

667
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:17,760
going to do some of the environmental

668
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,480
work in you know trying to figure out

669
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,360
traffic volume along roads. Like I said,

670
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:25,378
I have collected some data. Obviously,

671
00:27:25,378 --> 00:27:27,120
[snorts] 7-Eleven is that collector as

672
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:31,520
you head especially east toward um 288

673
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,000
and still people that head 522, you

674
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,840
know. So, all those suburban

675
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,720
neighborhoods uh or really exurban

676
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,880
neighborhoods feed towards that corridor

677
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,480
and obviously 60 as well. You know,

678
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,840
that's your two major east west.

679
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,919
But yeah, VOTE would have to be heavily

680
00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:51,279
involved in something to that effect.

681
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:53,679
And that's not free, but that's, you

682
00:27:53,679 --> 00:27:56,000
know, that's governor's office had

683
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,840
funded, for example, the fall line and

684
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,720
the capital trail.

685
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,279
Mr. Chairman, I want to make sure I'm

686
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:05,760
not

687
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,360
pushing you along a path that you're not

688
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:14,720
prepared to walk. Um, no pun intended. I I appreciate the fact that you are now

689
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,559
familiar with our plan.

690
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:18,320
>> Absolutely.

691
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,559
>> Previously, I I assume you weren't. So

692
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:22,320
the fact that you're aware of it and can

693
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,240
help facilitate give advice and mostly I

694
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,960
hope help with funding source if you

695
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,279
have some guidance there. So at least

696
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,840
it's good that plan RBA is aware of that

697
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,559
plan. I assume that you weren't

698
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:38,080
previously.

699
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,760
>> Um I was um and we have that

700
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,840
incorporated in our region.

701
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,000
>> But does that mean it's [snorts]

702
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,679
anywhere past being a plan? No. So, but

703
00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:52,000
if you if you and we were talking a

704
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,600
little bit about this the other day, you

705
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,120
know, you start using the CBTA money or

706
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,279
some other uh we we've talked about some

707
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:02,559
different um potential uh funding

708
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,880
sources to apply, you know, grants and

709
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,200
so on. any of those, you know, knocking

710
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,679
out a mile or, you know, connecting from

711
00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:11,840
Fighting Creek up to the schools and and

712
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,440
beyond, any [clears throat] of those,

713
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,080
you know, little incremental updates or

714
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,440
trails, too, you know. Oh,

715
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,640
>> yeah.

716
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,279
>> But it certainly has been risen to the

717
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,039
top of any surveys that we've done in

718
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:25,840
terms of the citizens really valuing uh

719
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,840
the trails and looking for expansion of

720
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,559
them.

721
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:30,559
>> It's a very thorough plan. I really you

722
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:34,559
know I did refamiliarize myself with it

723
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:37,279
uh since um we we started this process

724
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:40,000
but yeah the it's very thorough and you

725
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,559
know identify as very I mean from my

726
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:44,559
perspective not living here you know

727
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:47,360
very workable corridors and necessary

728
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,559
things like connecting schools

729
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:50,320
connecting through your community

730
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,640
finishing sidewalk networks within the

731
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,600
courthouse area that you know you've

732
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,440
been asking for I don't know several

733
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,360
years as far as I know about how to

734
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:05,350
connect birth to the middle school.

735
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,159
» We have one person who constantly is.

736
00:30:08,159 --> 00:30:11,039
>> Oh, he's not just a Pan guy.

737
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:11,600
>> Oh, really?

738
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,440
>> Carl.

739
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,320
>> He's famous.

740
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,720
>> He [laughter] infinitisly is.

741
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,640
>> Yeah. But it, you know,

742
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,840
>> sometimes it works.

743
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,159
>> We have people within the region. We

744
00:30:22,159 --> 00:30:23,279
have people within these the

745
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:24,399
communities. But yeah, it's it's

746
00:30:24,399 --> 00:30:26,000
wonderful to have people who are

747
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,640
interested and you know I feel like you

748
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,600
know he's he's not ineffective.

749
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:32,960
>> Oh, he's a knowledgeable guy.

750
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,520
>> Yeah, absolutely.

751
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,919
>> What other questions we got?

752
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,919
I'm still stuck on 7-Eleven because I

753
00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:42,799
don't see how it happens just because

754
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:44,799
there's a road and then there's a ditch

755
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:48,240
and the ditch pretty much runs

756
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,440
away because the properties on either

757
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,399
side use that ditch to drain off their

758
00:30:54,399 --> 00:30:56,080
properties.

759
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,760
>> It's it's very similar to Capitol Trail

760
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:58,799
in that situation.

761
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:00,720
>> That's how I vision it going from going

762
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,720
up Route Five from from Williamsburg or

763
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,200
Jamestown all the way up to um downtown

764
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,960
Richmond. So you would be asking

765
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,399
>> it's off the road. It's not right on the

766
00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:08,640
road.

767
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,480
>> Yeah. So you'd be asking someone like

768
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:16,799
Norwood and um with the Sleti Place and

769
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:19,760
Brooker to really take a sizable chunk

770
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:25,200
of land off what 15 ft or more

771
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,559
on top of on top of what he got. the

772
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:34,399
conservancy that no one is in. I I don't know that

773
00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:36,559
permission is the issue. I'm not sure it

774
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,840
can be done that. And I will say it's

775
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,600
part of why we consulted with Capital

776
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,919
Region Land Conservancy because there

777
00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:45,679
are many properties in several

778
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:48,320
localities. We aren't sure if their

779
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,399
easements I'm sorry, an easement would

780
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:51,519
be possible.

781
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,200
>> Yeah.

782
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,320
And so if it's going to trek over

783
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,600
7-Eleven, then you have to build a

784
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,080
bridge.

785
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,000
>> Uh well, again,

786
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,600
>> with

787
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,320
>> Capital Trail, there are some crossings,

788
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:08,640
>> right?

789
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,880
>> You want it to be in a in a in an area

790
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,519
that has, you know, no hills

791
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:14,880
approaching. You want the best sight

792
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,279
lines you can, you know, uh you know, no

793
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:19,519
big curves before them. Um, but yeah,

794
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:21,760
that's that's obviously very important

795
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,720
issue. There's a power line that runs on

796
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,919
certain corridors of of uh 7-Eleven,

797
00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:30,240
just a local power line. But again, like

798
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,480
some of those are opportunities, but

799
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,240
then you you see like, okay, that also

800
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,760
continues across seven people's

801
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,000
driveways and their driveways all have,

802
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,080
you know, the cutout for the driveway

803
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,080
and their their houses are right up to

804
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,519
the road. So, it's very hard to

805
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:45,840
envision. You could go in the front. I

806
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,600
don't know what there might be to go

807
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,279
behind some of those houses, but that's

808
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:51,679
part of the the course you might see

809
00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:55,039
with Capitol Trail is going behind some

810
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:58,159
properties if that is an issue. But that

811
00:32:58,159 --> 00:33:00,640
was a 52 mile trail. We're talking about

812
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:06,080
11 with or is um at least to 522. I

813
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,880
don't remember how far up to 522. I'm

814
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,919
sorry to the river it is from there. But

815
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:13,760
uh but anyway, yeah, it's it's not

816
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,480
without uh difficulties.

817
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,120
>> I think it's nine miles from 68 to the

818
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:26,230
road.

819
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,519
» Any other questions?

820
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:31,840
>> Any questions for us?

821
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,679
>> You know, I've been mostly asking all

822
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:35,279
the questions through Megan and now that

823
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:36,640
there's a foundation, I think, you know,

824
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,440
we got to start. But um it's it's

825
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,360
wonderful that you already have a plan.

826
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,360
Like I said, we that's what we use to

827
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,279
identify these corridors. So yeah, I

828
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:46,960
mean that was I'm glad you guys are

829
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,039
really enthusiastic about the actual

830
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,200
trail plan. And you know, again,

831
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,600
anything I can do, we can do to help,

832
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,200
you know, start that process of getting

833
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,120
some of those. We always talk about we

834
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,880
don't want to make plans that sit on a

835
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,200
shelf and never do anything with them.

836
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,640
So, that's the same thing with your

837
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,880
trails plan is even if it's all right,

838
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,519
we got something, you know, started uh

839
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:11,119
and or you know, the uh the priority

840
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:12,800
list included a couple that were, you

841
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,159
know, connecting the schools. I mean,

842
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,159
that's that's safety right there. Trying

843
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:18,159
to get the kids, you know, to and from

844
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,399
safely. So, I I don't really have any

845
00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:21,839
other questions, but I know who to

846
00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:23,839
contact if I have any more.

847
00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:24,879
>> Do I have one question?

848
00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:25,599
>> Yes, sir.

849
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,000
>> Ride motorcycles on.

850
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,760
>> Not supposed to. [laughter]

851
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,240
Um, it's a joke. I was going to say

852
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:34,320
though the horse question, um, I didn't

853
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,320
quite answer that thoroughly. Like in

854
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,720
like say Northern Virginia on the WO

855
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:41,520
trail, that one has some sections that

856
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,079
are so busy that they have multiple side

857
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:46,480
by side pieces so that the horses can

858
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,320
have their own space and not be spooked

859
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,079
by, you know,

860
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:53,839
>> pedestrians and cyclists. And um that

861
00:34:53,839 --> 00:34:56,079
example of the Cros trail out out there

862
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:57,440
is like, "Hey, you know, you're going to

863
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,599
be talking to the horse farm folks. How

864
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:01,760
do you get through to them? You know,

865
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,359
come in there right away with the idea

866
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:05,680
that you're providing a longer trail for

867
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,560
the horses as well." So, it's a tall

868
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,000
ask, you know, because a lot of those

869
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,280
are multi-million dollar farms and I'm

870
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,240
sure there's several in Pitan as well,

871
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:18,320
but yeah, it's a tall ask uh for some of

872
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,280
those properties.

873
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,400
>> Sure.

874
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,480
>> Yeah. I'm John Kirkland. I'm the vice

875
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,359
chair for the foundation and we've

876
00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:27,040
really gotten the ball rolling with that

877
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,640
foundation. I've already been out

878
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,680
speaking, speaker. Um I truly believe we

879
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:32,960
will be able to help with some of this

880
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,920
funding and looking forward to working

881
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,640
with uh we've got a good group. We've

882
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,880
got a good board. We're enthusiastic.

883
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,720
We'll have our website up hopefully by

884
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,440
October 1st. convey that to everybody so

885
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,720
they can go in there and actually see

886
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:48,160
what we're about, what we're doing, what

887
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,320
we're into and where we're trying to

888
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,560
help out in different localities. And I

889
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,640
think it'd be great for the county once

890
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,599
we get that up and running. But we are

891
00:35:57,599 --> 00:35:59,119
live.

892
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:00,400
>> So if you want to give me some money,

893
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,069
I'll take it. [laughter]

894
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:06,480
» Can I uh can I mention I I think that

895
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,000
this is a space that we're doing good planning, but we're

896
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,400
doing good work as well. Um it was just

897
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,920
in 2028 that the county reconstituted

898
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,160
the parks and rec advisory commission

899
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,640
and they had the foresight in 2019 to

900
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,720
initiate a parks and recreation needs

901
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:25,520
assessment which was finalized in 2020

902
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,520
and they did a statistically valid

903
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,920
survey of the uh the county at large

904
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,880
that identified multi-purpose trails as

905
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,240
the number one requested amenity. Um and

906
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:39,280
uh we we used that information to apply

907
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,560
for a fiscal year 22 community project

908
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,640
funds grant which we are awarded for the

909
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,880
education connection trail. Uh we

910
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,280
applied again in fiscal year 2 uh three

911
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,079
for the ADA trail. Um that's that will

912
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,240
go behind the library. Um and part of

913
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:55,680
what we've learned is you have to be

914
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,680
careful what you wish for when you get

915
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,160
awarded federal grant money. Uh we've

916
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,200
been working on that since 20 fiscal

917
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,119
year 22. you know, meeting all of the

918
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:07,839
requirements of federal money. Um, we're

919
00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:09,280
to the point that we're planning a

920
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,880
ribbon cutting in the next two months.

921
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,800
So, uh, near near the finish line on

922
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,560
that one, and the ADA trail will be

923
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,720
right behind it. But I think it's an

924
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:18,400
area that we're punching above our way

925
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,880
and and parks rec of work to advance the

926
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,760
goal of where you multi- trailing count

927
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,760
as well.

928
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,790
>> Good stuff. That's awesome. Love that.

929
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,000
» Um,

930
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,599
data on the economic at uh the capital

931
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,040
trail.

932
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,440
>> That that is a fantastic question and I

933
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,119
have to say with fall on that was the

934
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,800
same question. We did not do there is an

935
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,440
e economic impact study for the capital

936
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,680
trail. It's from 2018. So um it's pretty

937
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,839
far behind. The nump the dollar figures

938
00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:58,400
are are way behind and obviously the

939
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,520
trail was very new at that time. Um but

940
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,599
we've been using that as a very low

941
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:07,280
baseline for the impact. Um it's

942
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,280
obviously something that be a tourism

943
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,720
impact but because that's already

944
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:16,320
busy corridor scenic uh byway Virginia

945
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,599
scenic byway. Um but that's that's what

946
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:20,720
we have

947
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:22,079
>> counters.

948
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:25,280
There are trail counters though um not

949
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,000
all the original 11 are in operation but

950
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,960
yeah that's on the B do website and I I

951
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,480
can provide links to to those um you

952
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,440
know so you get a good sense of how many

953
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,280
people are using not just that trail but

954
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,320
you know around the state. Um but yeah,

955
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,200
it's some of those are

956
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,240
um it's it's how you perceive the you

957
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:49,520
know how many people pass through

958
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,200
certain areas. Um that doesn't

959
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,320
necessarily mean that somebody stay much

960
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,480
stay in a hotel or anything like that.

961
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,480
Uh but yeah, the economic impact study

962
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,480
like I said they Capital Trail

963
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,359
Foundation is is working to update that.

964
00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:04,880
Who knows if that's next couple of

965
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,839
years, but um fall line that was a big

966
00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:09,680
request like Ann County was that was a

967
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,079
big request for them as well. Like if we

968
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:14,560
approve this,

969
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,400
how do we know this is going to provide

970
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,760
any benefit to us? Um and in handover's

971
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,680
case, they were the first ones their section was the first completed.

972
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,720
Actually as Ashlin was first, but they kind of count us out. Excellent.

973
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:31,829
Perfect.

974
00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:33,359
No other questions from the board.

975
00:39:33,359 --> 00:39:36,240
>> I can't identify it.

976
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:37,359
>> Thank you so much.

977
00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:52,470
>> Thank you.

978
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,680
» Right by my house.

979
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,640
>> Yeah, I do.

980
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,079
>> Good evening. I'd like to call to order

981
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:00,720
the August 24th, 2026 regular monthly

982
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,839
meetings. Thank you all for coming out.

983
00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:05,599
I'd like to ask Mr. McClung if you

984
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:06,880
wouldn't mind starting us off with the

985
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,160
pledge of allegiance followed by Mr.

986
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,470
Kenny handling the imitation, please.

987
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:12,640
I

988
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,280
>> pledge allegiance to the flag of the

989
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,632
United States of America and to

990
00:40:17,632 --> 00:40:19,359
[clears throat] the republic for it

991
00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:22,960
stands, one nation under God,

992
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,839
indivisible with liberty and justice for

993
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:27,280
all.

994
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,880
Lord Jesus, we thank you so much for

995
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,520
allowing us to gather here tonight.

996
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,320
We thank you for your words that one of

997
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,480
your greatest commands is to

998
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,760
I just pray for peace tonight.

999
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,440
I just pray that you're here in a mighty

1000
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,760
way. Father, in Jesus name we pray.

1001
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,310
>> Amen. Amen.

1002
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,480
» Thank you. Do I have any requests to

1003
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,320
postpone agenda items, make any

1004
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,000
additions, deletions, or changes in the

1005
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,589
order of presentation?

1006
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:01,040
Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion to

1007
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,240
approve.

1008
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:04,240
>> Oh, second.

1009
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:05,520
>> All in favor?

1010
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:05,920
>> I.

1011
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,319
>> Any opposed? Hearing none, that'll bring

1012
00:41:08,319 --> 00:41:11,599
us to board updates.

1013
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:14,160
Any uh board updates?

1014
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,440
I'll go over one. I went to the uh uh

1015
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,280
general government steering committee.

1016
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,119
uh that kind of goes over different uh

1017
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:23,920
legislation, different um positions that

1018
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,880
Veo takes on different legislation. And

1019
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,839
we reviewed several priorities

1020
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:32,880
uh two of which thank you uh two of

1021
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,400
which uh focus on opposing any

1022
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,119
legislation that removes local authority

1023
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:41,839
and the second priority would be uh uh

1024
00:41:41,839 --> 00:41:45,040
opposing anything um that I guess

1025
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,920
imposes unfunded mandates on localities.

1026
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,400
So, those were the two priorities that

1027
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,000
uh Veo's uh taking strong position on uh

1028
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,079
moving forward for uh legislation for

1029
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:57,839
the general assembly. Any other board

1030
00:41:57,839 --> 00:41:59,040
updates before we move on?

1031
00:41:59,040 --> 00:41:59,920
>> Mr. Cherry, I got one.

1032
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:00,400
>> Go ahead.

1033
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,079
>> Uh as y'all know, I live on Pierersburg

1034
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:03,280
Road. It's going to be shut down for a

1035
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,400
while. So, probably a month or two and

1036
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,160
I've been dealing with VOTE on getting

1037
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,680
some enhancements [clears throat] to the

1038
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,240
Stave Mill Dorset intersection. So, we

1039
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,400
got a a couple signs new signs up. I'm

1040
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,839
working on getting a flashlight put in

1041
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:17,920
there now to help things out. So, That's

1042
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:18,560
all I got.

1043
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,800
>> Thank you.

1044
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,240
>> That'll move us to the county

1045
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:23,760
administrator updates.

1046
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,359
>> Yeah, thank you. We've uh got some

1047
00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:28,240
infographics coming up on the screen. Uh

1048
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:29,839
but want to make you aware that this

1049
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:32,720
Friday is the final movie in the village

1050
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:34,400
um movies in the park series for the

1051
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,560
summer. Uh Parks and Recreation puts on

1052
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,160
this series through a grant that they

1053
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,440
were awarded through the Virginia

1054
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,760
Foundation for Healthy Youth. This

1055
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,640
Friday's movie is Lilo and Stitch and it

1056
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,240
begins at dusk at Turner Park. Um, next

1057
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,720
this Saturday is Guchin Palatan

1058
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:53,119
Community Services Board's Hopefest.

1059
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,440
This is a community event that focuses

1060
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,079
on substance use and recovery. The event

1061
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,560
will be held at the CSB's Gland location

1062
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,359
and it is free and open to the public.

1063
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:07,520
Um, next is First Friday's event returns

1064
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to the village park next Friday,

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00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:11,839
September 4th from 6:00 to 8th. This is

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00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:14,640
a free outdoor concert with vendors on

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00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,839
site and the Riverside band will be our

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00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:21,520
musical guest um next Friday evening. Um

1069
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,160
next, our mobile outreach team is

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00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,200
hosting the premiere of Stories of Hope

1071
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,640
on Tuesday, September 8th from 5 to 7:30

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here in the Village Building Auditorium.

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Uh there's a cookout that starts at 5:00

1074
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:37,520
pm and that will be followed by the

1075
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,839
premiere of local storytelling videos

1076
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:42,480
that start at 6 pm and this is a

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00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,240
campaign that was created to raise

1078
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:46,319
awareness and reduce stigma around

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00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:49,200
substance use. Um this is a free event

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00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,800
and it's open to the public. So we'll

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00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,440
hope to see you there. Um, next, Park

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00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,560
and Recreation is offering free yoga in

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00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,560
Village Park on Monday mornings

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00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,720
throughout the month of September with

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00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:02,640
the exception of Labor Day, which is

1086
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,040
September 7th. But otherwise, uh, come

1087
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,040
out and participate in free yoga on

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00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,240
Mondays in Village Park. And then the

1089
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,079
last update we have this evening is the

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Never Forget Run is scheduled for

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00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:16,640
Friday, September 11th at Powatan High

1092
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,200
School. Uh, as you know, the 911 attack

1093
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,040
took the lives of nearly 3,000

1094
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,480
individuals, 343 of whom were first

1095
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,560
responders. Um, so the run involves 343

1096
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,960
laps around the high school track, one

1097
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,440
lap in honor of each first responder who

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00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,760
died on 911. Uh, so we hope you'll be

1099
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,240
able to join us on uh, Friday, September

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00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:41,119
11th for this event. Thank you.

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00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:43,200
>> Thank you. All right, that'll bring us

1102
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,480
to our public comment period. Um, what

1103
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:47,839
we'll do now is we'll move into that.

1104
00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:49,440
And I will tell you, we've got uh three

1105
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,440
public hearings. So, if you're here for

1106
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,040
any of the three hearings and you've

1107
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,960
signed up for the public comment as I

1108
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,240
call your name, just let me know and

1109
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:58,800
we'll we'll move to the next name. Um,

1110
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,640
so the [clears throat] board will now

1111
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,319
hear from citizens who wish to speak to

1112
00:45:02,319 --> 00:45:04,400
the board. Speakers will be recognized

1113
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,160
in the order in which they signed up.

1114
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,520
When your name is called, please come to

1115
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,280
the podium and begin by stating your

1116
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,240
name and address or voting district.

1117
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:14,000
Each speaker will have three minutes as

1118
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,000
an individual or five minutes for a

1119
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,079
group as long as you have uh at least

1120
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:20,800
three folks here from your group. Uh

1121
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,960
please direct all comments to the board

1122
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,240
as a whole and not individual members uh

1123
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:29,440
or the audience or staff or any other

1124
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,839
attendee. Refrain from criticizing

1125
00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:34,240
specific individuals or groups or using

1126
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,400
vulgar, rude or threatening language. We

1127
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:44,950
will begin now with Matt Fischer.

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00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,760
Good evening, chair, chairman, and

1129
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,680
members of the board. My name is Matt

1130
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,480
Fischer, 945 River States Court, and I

1131
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,800
live in district 2 in Palatan County.

1132
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,240
Thank you for the opportunity to speak

1133
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,960
tonight. I'm here to respectfully ask

1134
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,200
the board to remove Motorsports Park as

1135
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,680
a conditional use in the Agricultural 10

1136
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,599
zoning district.

1137
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:07,440
I believe this change is important

1138
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,680
because the A10 district is intended to

1139
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,680
protect agricultural land, rural

1140
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,560
character, open space, and low inensity

1141
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,520
uses. A motorsports park is not low

1142
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,079
inensity agricultural use. It is high

1143
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:22,640
impact commercial recreational use, and

1144
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,437
it brings concerns that are

1145
00:46:24,437 --> 00:46:25,440
[clears throat] very different from

1146
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,599
normal farming, forestry, or rural

1147
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,560
residential activity. POW Powatan's

1148
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,160
adoptive planning priorities speak

1149
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,079
clearly about financial stability,

1150
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:36,240
public safety, quality of life, and

1151
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:38,079
economic development that fits the

1152
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:40,240
character of the county. Allowing a

1153
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:43,359
motorsports park in A10 areas works

1154
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:45,520
against those goals. These facilities

1155
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,520
can create repeated noise, dust,

1156
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,000
traffic, vibration, environmental

1157
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,160
concerns, and emergency service needs in

1158
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,680
locations that were not planned or built

1159
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,640
for the level of that activity.

1160
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,800
There's also a physical concern.

1161
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,880
Motorsports Park may require sheriff's

1162
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,560
office response, fire and rescue

1163
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,319
planning, traffic control, road

1164
00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:06,240
maintenance, inspections, code

1165
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:08,560
enforcement, complaint response, and

1166
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,200
ongoing monitoring. Those costs can fall

1167
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,920
on the county and its taxpayers. At the

1168
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,920
same time, Palatan does not receive an

1169
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,079
emission tax revenue tied directly to

1170
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:20,160
ticket sales. That means the public

1171
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,720
burden may not be matched by a clear

1172
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:25,200
proportional public benefit.

1173
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,839
Quality of life matters too. People who

1174
00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:29,839
live in agriculture areas have made

1175
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:32,480
decisions based on rural zoning, rural

1176
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,280
roads, rural quiet, and the expectation

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00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,160
that nearby land uses uses will remain

1178
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,720
compatible with that setting. Even if

1179
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:42,720
conditions are placed on a permit, the

1180
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:44,720
county still is left to enforce those

1181
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,880
conditions over time. That is not

1182
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,200
efficient government and it creates an

1183
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,440
avoidable an avoidable conflict between

1184
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,280
an intensive event style use and

1185
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,760
surrounding rural properties. I want to

1186
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,359
be clear that the request is not about

1187
00:47:57,359 --> 00:47:59,280
opposing business or recreation in

1188
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,520
Palatan. It's about putting the right

1189
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,400
uses in the right places. If motorsports

1190
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,160
are ever considered an economic

1191
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,960
activity, they should be re reviewed in

1192
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,960
a district and location where road

1193
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,720
access, infrastructure, surrounding

1194
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:14,800
uses, emergency services, and

1195
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,640
environmental protections can reasonably

1196
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,200
support them.

1197
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:20,720
For those reasons, I've respectfully

1198
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:22,480
asked the board to amend the zoning

1199
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,400
ordinance and remove motorsports park as

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00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,119
a conditional use in the A10 district.

1201
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:28,960
Doing so would protect Palatan's

1202
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,200
agriculture in rural areas, reduce

1203
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,200
avoidable public service burdens,

1204
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,040
support the county's long-term planning

1205
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,880
goals, and help ensure the future

1206
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,040
development remains compatible Powatan's

1207
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,680
character. Thank you for your time, your

1208
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,920
service, and your consideration.

1209
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,240
>> Thank you,

1210
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:56,150
>> Robert Kelly.

1211
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,440
Good evening, Robert Kelly, District 2.

1212
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,960
Good evening, Mr. Chairman and

1213
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,000
Supervisors. I'm rising to speak in

1214
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,240
regards to Throttle Therapy's proposed

1215
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:08,480
conditional use permit. Yes.

1216
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:09,839
>> I would ask that you hold your comments

1217
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:11,760
until the public hearing for that.

1218
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,440
>> Oh, okay.

1219
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,680
>> Thank you.

1220
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,440
>> Pete Cisty,

1221
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:18,400
>> same. Mr. Chair,

1222
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:45,349
>> same. Uh, Virginia Morgan.

1223
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:47,440
Hello, my name is Virginia Morgan and I

1224
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,520
live at 2649 Glen Ridge Terrace and

1225
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,160
Glenn Brook subdivision. I am speaking

1226
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,000
in support of an ordinance to prohibit

1227
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,160
the discharge of firearms and or

1228
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,400
pneumatic guns in residential

1229
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,880
neighborhoods in Powatan County. And the

1230
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,960
current strategic plan adopted by you,

1231
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,960
the board of supervisors, it states that

1232
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,400
the safety and well-being of our

1233
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,040
residents is paramount. The time is here

1234
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,640
for you to stand behind that priority

1235
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,720
and take action to ensure this takes

1236
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:17,520
place. From January through June of this

1237
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,079
year, law enforcement responded to 115

1238
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:22,640
calls about the discharging of guns in

1239
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,280
this county that included at least 18

1240
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,599
residential neighborhoods. This isn't

1241
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:30,240
just an isolated issue in Glenbrook. It

1242
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:32,400
is a countywide problem that the county

1243
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,319
data confirms. This is a safety issue.

1244
00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:38,559
It is not about politics. It's not about

1245
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:40,079
changing the county's history or

1246
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:41,839
culture. And it's certainly not about

1247
00:50:41,839 --> 00:50:44,000
infringing on the Second Amendment. I am

1248
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,720
a gun owner myself. This issue was about

1249
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:48,480
residents feeling safe on their own

1250
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,000
property.

1251
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,319
I have invited you all as well as others

1252
00:50:52,319 --> 00:50:54,000
out to my home to see the setup

1253
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,240
firsthand. Some of you have taken me up

1254
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:58,800
on this and the consensus has been the

1255
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,040
same. This is not something that should

1256
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,359
be taking place in this environment.

1257
00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:05,280
Deputies have told us not to go in our

1258
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,280
backyard and some have even refused to

1259
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,200
walk onto certain areas of our property

1260
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,599
because of the shooting. If this isn't

1261
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:13,520
the definition of unsafe, then I don't

1262
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,839
know what is. I want you to ask

1263
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:17,680
yourselves, is this somewhere you would

1264
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,240
want to live? What if you were not able

1265
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,559
to enjoy your backyard? What if you

1266
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:25,440
didn't feel safe on your own property?

1267
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:26,880
Would you be comfortable if your

1268
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,960
children or grandchildren played in our

1269
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,079
backyard? I'm sure the answer is no. If

1270
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:33,839
this was happening to you at your home,

1271
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:35,680
you would definitely want action taken

1272
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,480
to protect you and your family. Law

1273
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,400
enforcement wants help, but until an

1274
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:41,680
ordinance is written that they can

1275
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,240
enforce, there's nothing they can do.

1276
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:46,800
This is something that you can fix. You

1277
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,119
have the authority to take action. You

1278
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:51,440
have residents asking you for a basic

1279
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,400
safety measure to protect them. You also

1280
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,400
have a responsibility to ensure the

1281
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,079
safety and well-being of the residents

1282
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:00,880
of this county. This ordinance isn't

1283
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,599
meant to ban gun use everywhere in the

1284
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:06,319
county. It's about location. It's about

1285
00:52:06,319 --> 00:52:08,400
protecting the safety and quality of

1286
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,319
life in residential neighborhoods where

1287
00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:13,200
homes are closer together while lawful

1288
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,359
shooting continues elsewhere in the

1289
00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:16,960
county.

1290
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,599
You have made commitments. You have said

1291
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:21,839
safety is your priority. Your strategic

1292
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:24,720
plan says so. Law enforcement has been

1293
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:26,400
clear about what they need. The only

1294
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,319
thing standing between the residents and

1295
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:30,400
their peace of mind is your followth

1296
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,880
through. So, I am asking you to please

1297
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,800
do the right thing and approve an

1298
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,640
ordinance to protect those of us that

1299
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,960
live in residential areas of the county

1300
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,960
so that we can feel safe and find peace

1301
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,440
in our homes and on our properties.

1302
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:44,400
Thank you.

1303
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:50,881
>> Thank you, Teresa Kelly.

1304
00:52:50,891 --> 00:52:51,440
[clears throat]

1305
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,440
>> Mr. Chairman, members of the board, I'm

1306
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,000
Teresa Kelly and I live in District 2.

1307
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,839
Um, thank you for allowing me to speak.

1308
00:52:57,839 --> 00:52:59,920
I am also here to respectfully ask the

1309
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,319
board to remove motorsports park as a

1310
00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:04,480
conditional you conditional use permit

1311
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,599
from agriculture 10 zoning in the palan

1312
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:10,000
palatan county strategic plan strategic

1313
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,040
priority six rural heritage and resource

1314
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,440
preservation. This priority focuses on

1315
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,760
ensuring that as palatan grows it

1316
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,000
maintains those characteristics that

1317
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,400
make it a unique alternative to the more

1318
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,480
developed areas of the region. These

1319
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,680
features include active farms, managed

1320
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,240
and natural re resource, sorry, managed

1321
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:32,720
and natural forests, undisturbed lands,

1322
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:34,400
fields, waterways, and historic

1323
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,520
structures. The network of bike trails

1324
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,160
by definition is disrupting to a forest.

1325
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,000
It requires cutting underbrush and

1326
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,880
continuously clearing vegetation. Soil erosion and waterway

1327
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,680
pollution. dirt bike trails on rolled

1328
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,000
terrain caused severe soil compaction

1329
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,200
and accelerated uh erosion. Stripping

1330
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,200
the forest of floor vegetation, sorry.

1331
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,280
Stripping the floors for a vegetation

1332
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,920
cover means that when it rains, mud,

1333
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,240
sediment, and trace automotive fluids

1334
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:08,800
will wash directly into local creeks,

1335
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,119
rivers, and ponds. This directly

1336
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:12,960
violates the county's commitment to

1337
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,480
clean waterways. The purpose of A10 is

1338
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,960
to maintain agrarian and lowdensity

1339
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,040
rural character of the county that

1340
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,359
optimizes economic use of the county's

1341
00:54:23,359 --> 00:54:26,240
prime farmland and forest land resources

1342
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:28,720
and defines countryside appearance and

1343
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:31,359
rural character of areas designated as

1344
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:33,280
rural preservation areas in the

1345
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,680
comprehensive plan. A commercial or

1346
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,319
highintensity recreational ride park is

1347
00:54:38,319 --> 00:54:41,359
not a farming or forestry operation. It

1348
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:44,240
introduces an intense non-aggricultural

1349
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:46,880
commercial land use into a zone meant

1350
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,920
for quiet countryside living. Please

1351
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,720
understand, I am not against motorsports

1352
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:56,240
park or outdoor recreation. However, we

1353
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:58,880
must exercise due diligence to ensure

1354
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,960
commercial activities align with local

1355
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,839
zoning regulation. For these reasons and

1356
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:06,160
those already stated, I am respectfully

1357
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,240
asking the board to amend the zoning

1358
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,480
ordinance to remove motorsports park as

1359
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,160
a conditional use permit from

1360
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,240
agriculture 10 zoning. Thank you for

1361
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:16,240
your time and service to our county.

1362
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:20,950
>> Thank you,

1363
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:29,510
» Tommy Broaden.

1364
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,400
Mr. chairman and fellow board members.

1365
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,520
I'm Tommy Broton from 2452 Judes Ferry

1366
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,680
Road and I'm not uh here to speak about

1367
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,559
anything that you have direct control

1368
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:45,760
over, but I would ask you if you could

1369
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,599
please pass on to VOTE that the roads in

1370
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:52,799
this county, the grass has not been cut

1371
00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:54,720
this year. I've lived in the county for

1372
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:57,200
53 years. It's the first time the road

1373
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,680
has never been cut in front of my house

1374
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,160
and most everywhere else across the

1375
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,240
county. Uh, Route 60 has was partially

1376
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:08,799
cut, but today is the first day of

1377
00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:10,319
school

1378
00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:11,920
and

1379
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:16,319
that intersection at Judy and Route 60

1380
00:56:16,319 --> 00:56:19,839
grass is three feet or more high and

1381
00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:23,760
we've got new young drivers there. uh

1382
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,720
and they needed to be safe. So, uh as

1383
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:31,040
some of you know, I retired from the

1384
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,520
sheriff's office uh some 20 years ago

1385
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,559
now, but uh I've been one of the first

1386
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:39,280
responders that has had to go tell

1387
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,760
people that their child has been killed

1388
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,839
in accidents, and I hate to see any more

1389
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:49,680
have to do that. Uh, and I know of five

1390
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,440
or six fatalities at that intersection.

1391
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,680
So, I would just ask you to pass the

1392
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,720
word on to please do something with the

1393
00:56:58,720 --> 00:56:59,839
roads. Thank you.

1394
00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:06,309
>> Thank you,

1395
00:57:06,319 --> 00:57:19,990
» Steve Barl.

1396
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,240
David Baron live third district. Uh had

1397
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,680
seen y'all for a while. I'm sure y'all

1398
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,559
miss me. Uh I got a couple things

1399
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:31,440
comment from the last meeting. [snorts]

1400
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,799
Uh I'm one of those old people. Be 65

1401
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:36,319
years old. I'm one of those people that

1402
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:37,839
supposedly

1403
00:57:37,839 --> 00:57:39,760
don't want to pay my taxes, support the

1404
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,960
schools. My house, my property is

1405
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,040
bringing down the value of this county

1406
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:49,599
according to Barbara Brown. I'm sorry.

1407
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:52,480
That is it is just ludicrous.

1408
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,839
I didn't paid taxes in this county

1409
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:58,720
for over 30, 35 years, personal and

1410
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,480
business.

1411
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,240
I'll tell you as a personal insult. So

1412
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,760
the whole lot of other older people in

1413
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,720
this county. I'm old. I admit it, but to

1414
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,599
say something like that is embarrassing.

1415
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:11,119
Shows lack of knowledge as far as I'm

1416
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:12,319
concerned. Now, I'm going to get to some

1417
00:58:12,319 --> 00:58:14,880
other issues. I haven't been here cuz I

1418
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,200
got a family member that's pretty well

1419
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,760
sick. I'm going to take care of her. We

1420
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,160
can't comment. Come to the meetings. The

1421
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,240
board before this let you call in, speak

1422
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:27,920
your mind. Now, if you don't want to

1423
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,760
take my tax money and my wife's tax

1424
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,079
money, I don't care if I can speak or

1425
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:35,119
not, but I have a right to speak just

1426
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:36,559
because I can't make it here and a whole

1427
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:39,119
lot of other older people don't like

1428
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:40,799
driving at night. It's getting harder as

1429
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:43,520
you get older. You'll find out.

1430
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,799
So, I'm just saying please go back and

1431
00:58:46,799 --> 00:58:49,760
let people call in, voice their opinion,

1432
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,200
be heard. You're probably not going to

1433
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,839
listen anyway, but at least make us feel

1434
00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:55,680
better. Now, if y'all don't want to do

1435
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,040
that, there thing called the American

1436
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,079
Disabilities Act and it's a group I

1437
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:02,640
can't stand. ACLU, I know they would

1438
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,000
love to dive into this because you're

1439
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,319
all supposedly a Republican party board

1440
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:10,000
by power county by your taxing and

1441
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,799
spending ways. Uh, sorry, that's a joke.

1442
00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:16,480
So, I'm just asking you to please

1443
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,880
consider that. Since I got another

1444
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,640
minute or so, I'll dive into a few other

1445
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,280
things.

1446
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,440
Last meeting, Mr. Denady, and I like

1447
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,359
you. I think you're a nice guy. He

1448
00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:29,440
called Mr. Booth out about three or four

1449
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,319
times for speaking, making comments.

1450
00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:34,400
Told him, "Be quiet. Won't be no

1451
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:35,920
applause. Won't be this." So far

1452
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,520
tonight, we have divied away from that.

1453
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,280
I think you'll miss Mr. Booth an

1454
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,520
apology. He can get a little crazy, a

1455
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,760
little radical. I know he's a neighbor

1456
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,960
of mine, but he's sincere and he means

1457
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,640
what he says. He's trying to do what's

1458
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,640
right by this county.

1459
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,040
I hope y'all listen to your planning

1460
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,720
commission. Y'all obviously didn't last

1461
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,799
time with Meltonville and all that

1462
00:59:56,799 --> 01:00:00,000
stuff. Now, I got this to say. This gun

1463
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,920
issue thing

1464
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,160
been a life member

1465
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:08,079
the NRA for 55 years. My wife doesn't

1466
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:09,760
like hunting. She owns a gun. The first

1467
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,599
gift my son got when he was one year old

1468
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:14,079
was a life membership in the NRA. I'm

1469
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:15,440
telling every one of you sitting up

1470
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,440
there. Only one I have any dictate over

1471
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,319
to is Mr. Powers. in my district. Don't

1472
01:00:20,319 --> 01:00:22,160
mess with the gun rights of people in

1473
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,839
this county. I'd love to stay, but I got

1474
01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:25,200
to go home and take care of my wife. God

1475
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:34,309
bless you and good luck tonight.

1476
01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:49,910
» Send

1477
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,000
Good evening. My name is Cindy Bootton.

1478
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,920
I live at 4343 Ridge Road, Palatan.

1479
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,599
Um, couple of issues. First, I wanted to

1480
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:03,520
inform the board where I live.

1481
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,720
Um, I have neighbors that are at least

1482
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:11,040
1,500 to 2,000 feet away and they have

1483
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,200
two children that if the weather permits

1484
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,400
on their dirt bikes at least 3 hours a

1485
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,040
day, the evening hours when people like

1486
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,079
to relax and enjoy their evening after

1487
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:27,359
work, have some quiet time. Not at my

1488
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:29,839
house.

1489
01:01:29,839 --> 01:01:33,119
And I don't mean to be mean, but every

1490
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:35,520
time I hear them, I hope one of them

1491
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,599
wrecks.

1492
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:41,040
Not that I want them to die,

1493
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,880
but I'd like one of them hurt bad enough

1494
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,599
that they gave up the motorcycles so I

1495
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:49,200
can enjoy some peace and quiet. I have

1496
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,559
anxiety issues, and I should be able to

1497
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:57,760
relax at home in my yard. The other

1498
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,200
thing is on and I've got 55 acres. I'm

1499
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,000
in the middle of it. I did my best with

1500
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,680
what I could afford to protect myself. I

1501
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,040
moved out here where there wasn't

1502
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,200
anybody here.

1503
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,000
Uh I have neighbors now shooting on all

1504
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,400
four sides of me and I know the Second

1505
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,520
Amendment right allows them the right to

1506
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,559
own a firearm. I don't have a problem

1507
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:25,680
with them owning a firearm. What I have

1508
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,839
a problem with is me feeling like I'm in

1509
01:02:29,839 --> 01:02:33,839
a battlefield in my own yard. There

1510
01:02:33,839 --> 01:02:36,319
should be one or two days a week that

1511
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:38,480
the board could come up with that it's

1512
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,680
quiet time for everybody in the county.

1513
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,319
The guys get to play with their guns.

1514
01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:47,119
They get to hunt. I can't quit. I can't

1515
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:49,520
make this make them stop, but I would

1516
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,760
appreciate some kind of Nor's ordinance

1517
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:56,480
that puts an evening and a morning time

1518
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,359
be before which they can't shoot and

1519
01:02:59,359 --> 01:03:01,839
after which they can't shoot. And I

1520
01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:04,240
would like two days a week when it's

1521
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:08,960
quiet time for old people like me

1522
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:10,720
to have some peace and quiet and not

1523
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,400
have to take an anxiety pill. Okay. I

1524
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,319
think it's only fair they get to have

1525
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:22,079
their guns. I should have the right to

1526
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:24,079
what's it say?

1527
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:25,760
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of

1528
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,520
happiness.

1529
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:31,280
Quiet time is my pursuit of happiness.

1530
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,839
And I should be allowed that just as

1531
01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:35,760
much as they should be allowed to have a

1532
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,640
gun and shoot. And the other thing is

1533
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,720
the reason I told you about the

1534
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,359
motorcycle kids, you've got a subject

1535
01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:46,160
coming up tonight that relates to that.

1536
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,640
I just wanted you to know how far away

1537
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,960
from them I live and I still have to

1538
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,480
deal with the noise. And I'm 70 years

1539
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:00,559
old, worked hard all my life.

1540
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:03,920
I should I should have been able to earn

1541
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,440
the right to live in my yard in peace as

1542
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,400
well as these kids having fun.

1543
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,520
>> Thank you.

1544
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:24,710
>> April May,

1545
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,839
I'm April May. I live at 3571 Pine View

1546
01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:30,160
Drive. Thank you, board, for hearing us.

1547
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,240
I'm here to I'm a horrible speaker too,

1548
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,359
by the way, so bear with me. Um, for you

1549
01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:38,000
to deny the CPU in the resoning for

1550
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:38,720
throttle therapy.

1551
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:39,920
>> Would you mind just hanging on to your

1552
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:41,200
comments until we get to that?

1553
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:42,240
>> That just gives me more time to

1554
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:42,799
practice.

1555
01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:46,000
>> Absolutely. [laughter]

1556
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,160
>> Don May.

1557
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:58,069
>> Okay. Uh, Janet Newton.

1558
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:01,440
» Good afternoon. I'm Janet Newton, 2933

1559
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:05,200
Lake Louise Drive, District 3. Um, I'm

1560
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,240
here again to discuss Lake Louise. Lake

1561
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,880
Louise has once again come um to the

1562
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:12,960
forefront on social media this week.

1563
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,520
People want answers. I would like to

1564
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,760
address the instability of the dam that

1565
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,359
supports Mountain View Road. It

1566
01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:21,200
continues to grow with every weather

1567
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,400
event. Um, Lake Louise, for those that

1568
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,400
don't know, was sold at a delinquent tax

1569
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,920
auction for $2,500, almost 7 acres of a

1570
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,359
lake. People say to us, 14 lot owners,

1571
01:05:33,359 --> 01:05:34,640
uh, you're always up there at the board

1572
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,480
of supervisors meeting, why didn't you

1573
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,359
buy the lake? How do you buy something

1574
01:05:39,359 --> 01:05:42,160
that you don't know is for sale? We were

1575
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,799
blindsided by this.

1576
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:47,680
Reason being a couple of years prior we

1577
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,839
had um went to the county and asked

1578
01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:51,760
about purchasing the lake and we were

1579
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,960
told all back taxes between 20 and

1580
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,520
$30,000 is what it would take to buy

1581
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,000
that lake. So yeah, we were blindsided.

1582
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,920
Jim and Deborah Reynolds bought it for

1583
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,440
$2,500

1584
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,839
and then offered it for sale on social

1585
01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:09,200
media to us for $54,000.

1586
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,359
when we said we didn't weren't

1587
01:06:11,359 --> 01:06:14,559
interested in buying it for that um they

1588
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:16,319
said we were going to destroy your

1589
01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:19,760
recreational deed rights and they did uh

1590
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,599
we have a cave-in now on Mountain View

1591
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:24,160
Road and as I said earlier the dam

1592
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:25,839
supports Mountain View Road and that

1593
01:06:25,839 --> 01:06:28,319
cave-in grows with every weather event

1594
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:31,119
and we've had a lot of weather recently

1595
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:34,319
deeq and V do have all been involved

1596
01:06:34,319 --> 01:06:36,559
since last year and have requested the

1597
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:38,880
rentals to stabilize the area They

1598
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,559
pretty much thumb their noses at these

1599
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:42,559
requests because the situation gets

1600
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:46,000
worse as I said every weather event.

1601
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,720
They destroyed a thriving ecosystem, a

1602
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,359
7acre lake. We witnessed a horrible fish

1603
01:06:51,359 --> 01:06:54,240
kill. They uh didn't get any required

1604
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,319
permits to do this. They did this in

1605
01:06:56,319 --> 01:06:58,640
broad daylight. And I have pictures of

1606
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,640
the individual who shoveled out that

1607
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:04,000
Virginia protected creek in a lame uh

1608
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,960
attempt to destroy that lake. our

1609
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,520
property values tanked by 30%. Thank

1610
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,520
goodness you guys took that into account

1611
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,359
and gave us the 25% reduction in our

1612
01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:19,760
taxes. Um, yes. Ironically, the owners,

1613
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,440
Jim and Deborah Reynolds, live in Lake

1614
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,559
Shaun and serve on that board. I'm

1615
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:26,559
asking the board tonight, what can you

1616
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:29,440
do to compel these folks to comply with

1617
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,720
stabilizing the area? Trees fall. Um,

1618
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,280
we've got them off the road. Um, it's

1619
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,119
very unstable. Sediments flowing

1620
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:40,079
downstream, discolored water, please get

1621
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:42,240
your well water tested. If you live

1622
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,480
downstream,

1623
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,280
if if agencies are keeping a close eye

1624
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,160
on the instability, are you going at it

1625
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,640
um from the road? Uh you're not going to

1626
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,240
get a very good view. Come to my

1627
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,480
backyard. I invite you to. I have the

1628
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,960
best view of what's going on at that

1629
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,359
cavein. And you'll see why I'm up here

1630
01:08:01,359 --> 01:08:05,119
every month to ask these questions.

1631
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:05,920
Thank you.

1632
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,270
>> Thank you,

1633
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:14,789
» James Cave.

1634
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:18,799
» Okay. All right. We'll come out of the

1635
01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:23,749
comment period and move to appointments.

1636
01:08:23,759 --> 01:08:25,679
There are two library board appointments

1637
01:08:25,679 --> 01:08:27,759
on the agenda. One for the district

1638
01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:30,319
three seat and one at large seat. You

1639
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:32,319
have three applications in your packet

1640
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:34,480
and all three applicants reside in

1641
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:41,952
district three.

1642
01:08:41,962 --> 01:08:42,719
[clears throat]

1643
01:08:42,719 --> 01:08:45,120
>> Go ahead.

1644
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,120
I'm asking for board consideration for

1645
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:51,920
the appointment of Joanne Fico and of uh

1646
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,440
Arthur Gregory uh to the uh library

1647
01:08:55,440 --> 01:08:56,880
board.

1648
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:59,040
>> Second.

1649
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:00,319
>> All in favor?

1650
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:01,040
>> I.

1651
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,359
>> Any oppose?

1652
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:04,960
Hearing? None. That passes and bring us

1653
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,080
to our consent agenda.

1654
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:07,279
>> Mr. Chairman, could I have one more

1655
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:08,880
minute? Um

1656
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,239
>> we were fortunate to have three

1657
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:12,159
applicants and uh we only had two

1658
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:14,960
positions open. Uh, and I want to just

1659
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,799
uh call out um Mrs. Fluitt who applied

1660
01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:20,560
and thank her for her interest in the

1661
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,759
county and encourage her to continue to

1662
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:27,040
look to uh volunteer time. We need as

1663
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,359
much help as we can get and I thank her

1664
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:31,199
for her interest. Thank you, Mr.

1665
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:33,359
Chairman.

1666
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:36,480
>> Thank you. I'll move us to consent.

1667
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:39,199
>> Items A through C on the consent agenda

1668
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:41,359
are minutes approvals from prior board

1669
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:44,789
meetings.

1670
01:09:44,799 --> 01:09:48,080
Item D is a budget action to accept

1671
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,159
state funding, insurance recoveries, and

1672
01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:51,920
farmers market fees and appropriate

1673
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,560
these funds for their intended uses.

1674
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,199
Item E is a budget action to accept just

1675
01:09:57,199 --> 01:10:00,080
over $9,800 in additional state library

1676
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:04,239
aid. Item F is an action referring four

1677
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:06,320
zoning ordinance text amendments to the

1678
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,560
planning commission. uh each addresses

1679
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,960
changes in state law that uh that

1680
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:12,960
require corresponding updates to our

1681
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,159
county local ordinances. And item G is

1682
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:18,400
an annual certification confirming that

1683
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,120
the county has used CBTA funding only

1684
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,120
for eligible transportation related

1685
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,229
projects.

1686
01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:29,520
» Mr. Agy, item G with that. Do we have

1687
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,920
that listed anywhere for public

1688
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,640
knowledge? The uh the projects that

1689
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,840
we've spent funding on in fiscal year 26

1690
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,320
are on the Carter Gallier project. Uh we

1691
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,360
spent just over $4,000 on an appraisal

1692
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,400
and a rightaway plat. And then we spent

1693
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,880
uh $512,000

1694
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,920
on the arch project at Route 13 and

1695
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:52,719
Route 60.

1696
01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:54,000
>> Well, we can make those available if

1697
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,360
somewhere you were to ask.

1698
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:56,159
>> We can.

1699
01:10:56,159 --> 01:11:01,030
>> Okay.

1700
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,520
M. Go ahead, Mr. Powers.

1701
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,080
>> I have one question on F will

1702
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:07,199
>> Did he change his name?

1703
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:08,800
>> It's okay. Go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead.

1704
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,960
>> Sorry. Yeah. Um,

1705
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,520
will on item F,

1706
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,320
are we before the referral to the

1707
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,719
planning commission on the voting

1708
01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:20,320
ordinate text, does the board get to

1709
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:21,520
review the text or is that something

1710
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:22,880
they're going to draft?

1711
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,120
>> So, tonight you're just referring these

1712
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:26,880
items to the planning commission. And

1713
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,960
these were the items uh that we talked

1714
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,600
about during 2 by twos that um

1715
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,679
legislative changes at the state level

1716
01:11:33,679 --> 01:11:35,600
has trickled down and now necessitates

1717
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,520
some adjustment in our local zoning

1718
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:38,960
ordinances. So the uh planning

1719
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:40,400
commission will pick them up and then

1720
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,280
they'll come back um to the board after

1721
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,920
the planning commission's reviewed those four items.

1722
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,679
>> Thank you,

1723
01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:50,320
>> Mr. Ch. Mr. Powers. Go ahead. I'd like

1724
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,640
to ask the board to consider uh some

1725
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:58,239
edits to the um minutes of July 27th

1726
01:11:58,239 --> 01:12:02,560
uh on page 22 of your packet. Um

1727
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,280
and specifically uh there at the in the

1728
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,760
first sentence which reads 2850 Red Lane

1729
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:09,600
Road, director of Pony Creek

1730
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:14,000
Veterinarian House. It should say horse.

1731
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,199
If you make that change, please. And in

1732
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:19,120
the uh third sentence there, it

1733
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,600
currently says um her existing

1734
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,159
structures are residential dwellings

1735
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:27,280
rather than 180day seasonal camping

1736
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,239
cabins. Um I'd like to edit that so that

1737
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:32,239
the resulting

1738
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:34,880
uh phrase it says simply the resulting

1739
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:36,320
portion of the sentence should then read

1740
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,280
her existing 180day seasonal camping

1741
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:44,310
cabins.

1742
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,400
And to that end, I would like to make a

1743
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:50,960
motion that we accept um those changes

1744
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:52,880
to the minutes as suggested.

1745
01:12:52,880 --> 01:13:01,430
>> Any uh any comments in reference to the edits?

1746
01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:02,000
» Second.

1747
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:03,360
>> Hearing none, we got a second on the

1748
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:04,640
floor. All in favor?

1749
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,320
>> Just clarify that that's for the entire

1750
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:07,120
consent agenda.

1751
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:08,480
>> I'm sorry. Yeah, for the entire consent

1752
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:12,310
agenda.

1753
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:13,280
» All in favor?

1754
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,960
>> I Any oppose? Hearing none. Moves us to

1755
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,640
action items.

1756
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,280
>> Um, item A under action items is a

1757
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,199
budget action and Miss Schubert is here

1758
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:26,870
for an overview.

1759
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,159
» Item [clears throat]

1760
01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:31,600
A is resolution R202648.

1761
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,679
That's budgeting and appropriating uh

1762
01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:36,950
$219,8465

1763
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,400
to the fisc year 26 budget in our grants

1764
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,640
fund. Periodically throughout the year,

1765
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,040
we get grants and donations that are put

1766
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,440
in this fund that can only be spent for

1767
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:50,880
specific purposes. Uh the majority of of

1768
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,040
this resolution is for an opioid

1769
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:54,960
abatement cooperative grant that we

1770
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,520
received. Uh we're in a cooperative

1771
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,440
grant with Chesterfield, Colonial

1772
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:02,080
Heights, and Petersburg that we receive

1773
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:03,840
money from the state's opioid abatement

1774
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,520
authority to do outreach, mobile

1775
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,320
outreach. Um and so that's the majority

1776
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:11,920
of the resolution. Uh we also get um

1777
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,080
national opioid settlement money per

1778
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:15,600
periodically throughout the year based

1779
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,920
on a class action settlement. And so as

1780
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,400
I receive those we get those

1781
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,840
appropriated um to be used at a a future

1782
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,040
time. Um, and then the others are triad

1783
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,760
library, some animal shelter donations,

1784
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,000
project lifesaver, uh, sheriff

1785
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,159
donations, Earth Day, our junior

1786
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:36,560
emergency technician donations for that

1787
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,040
program, and parks and rec scholarship

1788
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:44,550
program.

1789
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,840
» Any questions?

1790
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,550
All

1791
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,159
right.

1792
01:14:52,159 --> 01:15:01,189
Open the floor up for a motion.

1793
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:04,719
R 202648

1794
01:15:04,719 --> 01:15:08,480
that amends the fiscal year two 2026

1795
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:11,120
Paladin County operating budget and

1796
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:15,669
appropriating $219

1797
01:15:15,679 --> 01:15:18,080
8465

1798
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,640
in grants and funding for miscellaneous

1799
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,000
grants and donations.

1800
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,520
>> Second.

1801
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,280
>> All in favor? I.

1802
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,080
>> Any oppose?

1803
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,560
Item B is a budget action that assigns

1804
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,199
$900,000 for use by the state mill turn

1805
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:35,199
lane project. And we'll turn it over to

1806
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:37,760
Miss. Uh this resolution is amending the

1807
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,880
fiscical year 27 uh operating budget by

1808
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,199
900,000 in our central Virginia

1809
01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:46,080
Transportation Authority fund. Um these

1810
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,239
this was a grant uh the money this is

1811
01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:50,800
money being held at the state CVTA. We

1812
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:54,400
applied for a grant of 900,000 to help

1813
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,560
um put an additional turn lane at Stave

1814
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,159
Mill.

1815
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:00,320
>> Can you can you dive into greater detail

1816
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,560
with the fact that we just approved

1817
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:07,669
regional money just a few months ago?

1818
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:08,080
» The

1819
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,199
>> I uh I can dive into that.

1820
01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:09,920
>> Okay, [clears throat] you dive into

1821
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:10,480
that.

1822
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:12,320
>> Yeah. So on uh this is a project where

1823
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,440
we were awarded $1.8 million in CVTA

1824
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:17,199
regional funding to complete this turn

1825
01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:19,840
lane. Um, but we reached out to Wawwa,

1826
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,560
the developer of the uh of that corner

1827
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,280
on Stave Mill and Route 60, and we're

1828
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,520
collaborating with that project to have

1829
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,239
their contractor build the turn lane uh

1830
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:31,600
while they're mobilized for that

1831
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,760
project. Um, they're going to be able to

1832
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,000
do that at a reduced cost, which we're

1833
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,880
estimating at $900,000. So, that's why

1834
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,040
the amount is different than the 1.8

1835
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,199
that we were awarded from CBTA regional

1836
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:47,030
funding.

1837
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:53,030
Any follow-up questions on that?

1838
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,120
» So, we're not we're basically taking 900

1839
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:56,560
of that 1.8 that we were already

1840
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:57,280
awarded.

1841
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:57,840
>> Exactly.

1842
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:58,960
>> Just want to I just want to make sure

1843
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:05,590
that that's clear. And [clears throat]

1844
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,960
I'll make a motion uh that we uh approve

1845
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,440
resolution R2026-49

1846
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:15,120
amending the fiscal year 2027 Palan

1847
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,040
County operating budget by uh budgeting

1848
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,239
and appropriating 900,000 in CBTA fund.

1849
01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:21,120
>> Second.

1850
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:22,320
>> All in favor?

1851
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:22,800
>> I.

1852
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,120
>> Any oppose?

1853
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:26,640
Hearing none that passes. Thank you for

1854
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,239
the clarification.

1855
01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:30,719
Item C is our last budget amendment and

1856
01:17:30,719 --> 01:17:32,320
this is to the Powank County Public

1857
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:33,760
Schools budget and we'll turn it over

1858
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:34,960
again to Miss Schubert.

1859
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,920
>> Uh yes, resolution R202651

1860
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:41,360
is actually reducing the school's um

1861
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:45,750
operational budget by $164,95.

1862
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:47,840
As we know, the state did not approve

1863
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,719
their budget till June 29th. And so

1864
01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:53,440
therefore, the schools received the new

1865
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:55,280
CL tool from the Virginia Department of

1866
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,600
Education. And once they applied that

1867
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,679
with the ADM, they had a reduction in

1868
01:17:59,679 --> 01:18:02,320
basic aid. And then but they did get um

1869
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:05,040
an increase of 70,000 of state sales

1870
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:06,960
tax, but a reduction of basic aid of

1871
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,520
235,191.

1872
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,840
Um they are proposing they're reducing

1873
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,360
um instruction by 14,800, operation and

1874
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,239
maintenance by 24,176,

1875
01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:20,159
and then the contingency line by

1876
01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:25,910
$125,929.

1877
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:31,750
questions.

1878
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:36,149
I'll entertain a motion.

1879
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:38,239
» I make a motion we approve resolution R

1880
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:41,750
2026-51.

1881
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,679
» All in favor?

1882
01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:45,280
>> Any oppose?

1883
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,159
>> Hearing none, it passes. 50.

1884
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:50,640
>> And item D is a resolution to approve

1885
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,760
the CSB annual performance contract. and

1886
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:55,840
Mr. Toby Fritz, who's the executive

1887
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,320
director for the CSB, uh, is with us

1888
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:10,470
tonight for an overview.

1889
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:12,159
Good evening everyone. Uh, Chairman

1890
01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:14,560
Nani, members of the board, and uh, Mr.

1891
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:15,920
Hegy, thank you so much for the

1892
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,719
invitation to come here and speak this

1893
01:19:18,719 --> 01:19:20,800
evening. Um, I promise I will keep it

1894
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,040
under the aotted time at 10 minutes. I

1895
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,960
probably will be done in five. I can

1896
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:26,719
talk kind of quickly. I just want to

1897
01:19:26,719 --> 01:19:29,280
talk briefly first about uh who we are

1898
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:30,960
in case some folks here haven't heard of

1899
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,600
the CSB and then talk about some amazing

1900
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,080
things that happened in fiscal year 26

1901
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,880
and then as as Mr. Hegy mentioned the

1902
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:40,480
ask tonight to look at our performance

1903
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:44,480
contract uh for the next year. So, a

1904
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:46,239
community services board, you may hear

1905
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:48,719
me say CSB, that a community services

1906
01:19:48,719 --> 01:19:53,520
board is the uh entity that was created

1907
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,719
by statute. Um, Gland Palatin Community

1908
01:19:56,719 --> 01:19:59,520
Services was started in 1982

1909
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,960
and we are the local option, the local

1910
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,120
entry point for mental health,

1911
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,440
developmental, and services and

1912
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:09,520
substance use recovery services. We're

1913
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,840
the public safety net for any publicly

1914
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,719
funded uh services, the mental health de

1915
01:20:14,719 --> 01:20:16,880
developmental services and uh substance

1916
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,320
use recovery. So we are the one door for

1917
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:22,080
folks that have questions about any of

1918
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,840
those types of services to come in.

1919
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:27,440
So if you remember anything about

1920
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:28,800
tonight, just remember if you have

1921
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:30,719
questions about any of those services,

1922
01:20:30,719 --> 01:20:33,840
start with us, please. So uh what we do,

1923
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,600
I mentioned those three categories. The

1924
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,320
one um blog that's up there, same day

1925
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,480
access. I want to make sure I highlight

1926
01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:43,440
that we have a service that's available

1927
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:45,520
Monday through Friday the working hours

1928
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,080
that if somebody is in a habit of moment

1929
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:49,920
and they want to come get an assessment

1930
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:51,679
they can walk in. We call it same day

1931
01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:55,199
access and last year 187 of our

1932
01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:56,800
residents took care of it that took

1933
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,400
advantage of that service here in

1934
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,080
Palatan. So that was a a number that

1935
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,400
we're really happy with. Um, so there

1936
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,320
are a lot of services up there, 23

1937
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,320
different services actually that we do

1938
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:10,800
at the CSB from assessments of a toddler

1939
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:12,960
the whole way up through a 2 a.m. crisis

1940
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,600
call. Now, we partner with um folks in

1941
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,320
Richmond to cover those uh after hours,

1942
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,239
evenings, weekends calls because we're

1943
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:22,480
too small for that, but we have a lot of

1944
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:23,760
services there that we can help

1945
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:27,520
somebody. Um, so in fiscal year 26 there

1946
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,800
was 711 of our neighbors that we served

1947
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:34,159
over 24,000 different services. So

1948
01:21:34,159 --> 01:21:37,360
basically that's one in 45 people in

1949
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:38,960
Palatin County that we were able to

1950
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,920
serve. And throughout the year there

1951
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,719
were approximately 100 services on any

1952
01:21:44,719 --> 01:21:46,640
given day that we were open that we

1953
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,880
delivered for people in Palatin County.

1954
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:50,800
So we're really proud of those numbers.

1955
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,800
Um, another number that I'm a little

1956
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,560
really proud of is our net promoter

1957
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,400
score. If you've ever heard of a net

1958
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,080
promoter score, that's that question you

1959
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:01,280
get. How likely are you refer to refer

1960
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,600
somebody to Palace and Community

1961
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,360
Services? You probably get that question

1962
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,600
about a restaurant or a medical office

1963
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,080
um all the time. But the scores after

1964
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:11,920
the calculations are done range from

1965
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,040
negative 100 to 100. And anything above

1966
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,199
50 is generally considered excellent. So

1967
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:19,120
our score of 74 is something that we're

1968
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,000
really proud of.

1969
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,719
Um, one of the programs that folks may

1970
01:22:24,719 --> 01:22:26,960
recognize is Monikin. We're based right

1971
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:28,480
here in this building. Uh, we'll be

1972
01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:29,840
based over in our new building. When we

1973
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:31,760
get it done, I'll talk about our new

1974
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,760
building here briefly. But one of the

1975
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:35,920
things that was very cool um from last

1976
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,159
year was that our Monican program in

1977
01:22:38,159 --> 01:22:39,600
their talent show was featured on the

1978
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:43,040
cover of the annual uh VACSB, the

1979
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:44,639
Virginia Association of Community

1980
01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:46,880
Services Board on their annual report.

1981
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:48,560
So, I thought that was a pretty cool

1982
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,960
recognition. Um, one of the other pieces

1983
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,440
of data for that program is the state

1984
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:57,199
requires that we hit 50% uh of community

1985
01:22:57,199 --> 01:23:00,320
engagement. We had 79. So that was uh

1986
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:01,679
something that we blew out of the water.

1987
01:23:01,679 --> 01:23:04,000
Really happy with that. And something

1988
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:08,159
that um will mentioned earlier, the uh

1989
01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:09,920
helpfest, it's a partnership that we're

1990
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:11,920
doing with substance use and recovery.

1991
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,120
But one of the other things that we're

1992
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:15,520
happy about with Monikin is a lot of

1993
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:17,120
partnerships that we have there that

1994
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,920
folks participate in in packing the

1995
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,560
backpacks of love, doing the judging

1996
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,320
Halloween contest and things like that.

1997
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:27,360
So great program that I I love I love

1998
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,000
seeing. Just to talk briefly about the

1999
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,239
people who do the work, there are just

2000
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:35,120
under 100 folks that work for the CSB.

2001
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:38,639
Um and 88% of them last year voted uh

2002
01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:40,239
Gushland Palace and Community Services

2003
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:42,159
as a great place to work. That great

2004
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:44,239
place to work certification is an

2005
01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:48,719
international certification. So it's a third party that does the

2006
01:23:48,719 --> 01:23:52,000
certification. Uh 88% of CSB workers

2007
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,719
said that that's compared to 57% of a

2008
01:23:54,719 --> 01:23:58,080
typical US company. 99% uh feel good

2009
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,000
about what we do for the community. I

2010
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:01,600
think that's a lot of why we're all

2011
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,880
here. And um every person that completed

2012
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:06,639
our survey said they were satisfied with

2013
01:24:06,639 --> 01:24:09,920
what we have to offer. So some upcoming

2014
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:11,600
milestones I mentioned our building. So

2015
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,280
everybody may have seen our new building

2016
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:15,679
that's under construction uh just close

2017
01:24:15,679 --> 01:24:17,360
to the admin building. We're

2018
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:20,320
anticipating being able to occupy the

2019
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:21,840
building and start delivering services

2020
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:25,360
there in the spring of 2027.

2021
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:28,400
Another um project that's underway is a

2022
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:31,280
revamp of our website. we were able to

2023
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,400
get a grant to fund that and hopefully

2024
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,639
come up with a website that will really

2025
01:24:36,639 --> 01:24:38,880
invite people in, help uh walk them

2026
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,719
through our front doors in terms of

2027
01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:42,080
finding the type of service that they're

2028
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:44,639
looking for. Um, and something else that

2029
01:24:44,639 --> 01:24:46,000
I'm really proud of, um, our

2030
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,239
developmental services team. I mentioned

2031
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:49,760
same day access. That's for mental

2032
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,000
health and substance use. They created

2033
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,679
something for developmental services

2034
01:24:53,679 --> 01:24:56,560
because folks have questions, a lot of

2035
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,360
questions accessing waiver services. I

2036
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,239
mean the process there is is complicated

2037
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:04,000
and so there's always questions. So they

2038
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,080
created that um DD access and started

2039
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:09,199
that July one and um so that's really

2040
01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:11,679
great that we have that in place now. So

2041
01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:15,120
the performance contract so that is the

2042
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:16,880
document that is put out by the state

2043
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:20,320
that covers all of our um all CSPs. Um

2044
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,320
so we're in the second year of this

2045
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,159
current performance contract and so

2046
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:25,520
there were amendments that were

2047
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,000
submitted there with you this evening.

2048
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:31,840
Um, so the amendments basically were a

2049
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:33,760
requirement on the CSB to maximize what

2050
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:36,080
we're doing for Medicaid billing. Um,

2051
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:39,280
some updates to patient um to patient

2052
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:41,920
education and reporting. Some updates to

2053
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,080
quality measures and reporting dates.

2054
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,639
Um, some as federal laws come out

2055
01:25:46,639 --> 01:25:48,159
regarding uh protected health

2056
01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:50,159
information, we of course need to update

2057
01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:52,239
our policies. That's in the performance

2058
01:25:52,239 --> 01:25:54,400
contract. And there was also some

2059
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,679
administrative updates regarding um

2060
01:25:57,679 --> 01:25:59,760
funding processes all the state funds

2061
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,159
that come to CSBs. That's something that

2062
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:04,239
really affects the bigger ones um but

2063
01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:05,760
not us but it's still something we all

2064
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:07,679
have to abide by and some training

2065
01:26:07,679 --> 01:26:10,880
requirements. So that's good palatin

2066
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,199
community services. I wanted to stress

2067
01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:15,040
our uh phone numbers are up on the

2068
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,560
screen for everybody. 804598-2200

2069
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:21,120
that's our palatin office. Our crisis

2070
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,709
number is 804598-2697.

2071
01:26:24,719 --> 01:26:26,880
That's a number that anybody can call

2072
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,199
any time of the day. During business

2073
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:31,040
hours, you'll get somebody local after

2074
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:32,800
hours. There'll be somebody from

2075
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:34,400
Richmond, our partners in Richmond

2076
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:37,280
Behavior Health who can answer. And of

2077
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,679
course 988, one of the things that um

2078
01:26:39,679 --> 01:26:45,840
I'm very intrigued by is it took 911, I'm sorry, over three decades to

2079
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,719
fully be widespread and implemented. But

2080
01:26:48,719 --> 01:26:50,800
uh 988 is now up and running here in

2081
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:53,360
Palatine County. It is uh a service that

2082
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:54,800
if anybody's having a mental health

2083
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:56,239
crisis, they can call and get support

2084
01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:58,719
right away. And if somebody calls 911,

2085
01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:01,679
we have now have the connection. Um the

2086
01:27:01,679 --> 01:27:03,600
PAP team did great. Uh the public

2087
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:05,760
service answering uh team did a great

2088
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,120
job getting that connected in the

2089
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:08,960
background. So, a lot of good stuff

2090
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:10,880
going on here in Palatin County. I could

2091
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:14,080
talk too long, but I'll stop now. Any

2092
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:17,120
questions on on the CSB on the

2093
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:18,639
performance contract or anything that I

2094
01:27:18,639 --> 01:27:20,080
presented?

2095
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,159
>> Any questions from the board?

2096
01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:24,080
>> No.

2097
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:27,840
>> Thank you. Just need a uh a motion to

2098
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,800
approve the annual performance contract.

2099
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,520
>> I move we we approve the annual

2100
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,800
performance contract for the CSP.

2101
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:37,920
>> Second.

2102
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:39,440
>> All in favor? I

2103
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:44,870
>> I oppose. Passes five vote.

2104
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:50,470
Thank you.

2105
01:27:50,480 --> 01:27:51,840
» All right, that'll bring us into our

2106
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,679
public hearings.

2107
01:27:53,679 --> 01:27:56,320
>> So, item A is a conditional use permit

2108
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,560
uh request from a business in District 2

2109
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:11,189
and Mr. Web is here for an overview.

2110
01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:14,480
Members of the board, a

2111
01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:16,639
quick presentation. Uh as you can see

2112
01:28:16,639 --> 01:28:18,960
the first one will be Chabakans CU

2113
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:57,910
request for rural event venue.

2114
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,960
There we go. Thank you. Okay. As I

2115
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,560
stated, uh, case 2605 CUP Commissioner

2116
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,960
Smith from Arthur Traverick for a rural

2117
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:11,199
event venue on Dorset on Dorset Road.

2118
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:12,400
As [clears throat] you can see here, the

2119
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,400
proposal would utilize Chadwickinson's

2120
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:16,639
orchid operation and existing structures

2121
01:29:16,639 --> 01:29:19,040
to host weddings, receptions, and

2122
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:21,360
similar private events.

2123
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,920
Uh, rule event venues are allowable by

2124
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,880
CUP in the A10 zoning district.

2125
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,040
Development would be in conformance with

2126
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,360
the concept plan as you can see here

2127
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,280
showing the existing dwelling, which

2128
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,280
would not be part of the operation, but

2129
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:36,960
you have a field there to the north that

2130
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,040
could potentially be for tents. And then

2131
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,760
over in sort of in the souththeast

2132
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,159
corner, you can see there is a um a

2133
01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:46,800
pavilion uh that you know any events

2134
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,040
could use the whole facility, the green

2135
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:54,390
houses and and things like that.

2136
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,960
As you can see here, here are the three

2137
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:58,800
uh three properties just north of Mosler

2138
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,440
Road on Dorset Road. And you can see uh

2139
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:03,840
the zoning of the area is is uh

2140
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,639
agriculture 10 with to the to the east

2141
01:30:06,639 --> 01:30:09,600
some single family residential on the

2142
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,719
future land use map. Uh it is uh rural

2143
01:30:12,719 --> 01:30:16,790
areas.

2144
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:18,639
Proposed conditions it would be a

2145
01:30:18,639 --> 01:30:20,639
maximum of eight events per month with

2146
01:30:20,639 --> 01:30:24,159
no more than 75 guests per event with

2147
01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:26,800
limits on the time events may be held.

2148
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:28,400
Final conditions will be subject to a

2149
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,800
site plan approval and the CUP is good

2150
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:32,639
for five years at which point it must be

2151
01:30:32,639 --> 01:30:36,629
renewed.

2152
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:39,360
Uh the request uh [clears throat]

2153
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,600
requires modification of the rural event

2154
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,080
venue development standards requiring

2155
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:46,800
all buildings, parking areas and so

2156
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:49,440
forth uh to be located at least 200 ft

2157
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:52,000
from the property line. is you as you

2158
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,800
can see here uh that number number three

2159
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:56,880
there and number six you might remember

2160
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:58,480
I think a year or so ago we added

2161
01:30:58,480 --> 01:30:59,679
there's potential for the board to

2162
01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:04,239
modify uh uh rural event venues

2163
01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:06,239
uh the nearest structure would be in

2164
01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:07,840
that lower southeast corner of that

2165
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,320
pavilion which is about 20 ft from the

2166
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:13,760
property line uh it's it's well set back

2167
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:15,600
from the the neighbors a little under

2168
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:18,400
275 ft from the adjoining houses and

2169
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,120
that's the closest point that the uh

2170
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:25,990
venue would have two neighbors houses.

2171
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:27,440
And I did a just kind of did a little

2172
01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:29,760
diagram here just to show you. You can

2173
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:32,000
see kind of that lower corner the 20 ft

2174
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,960
and you can see 295 270 to the houses.

2175
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,120
But if you now go to the north kind of

2176
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:38,400
where that field where maybe they would

2177
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,719
have tents and things like that, uh you

2178
01:31:40,719 --> 01:31:42,080
then would meet would meet those

2179
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,880
requirements easily. Uh so just an idea

2180
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:50,470
just what the setbacks look like.

2181
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:52,159
Since [clears throat] this is a CUP, I

2182
01:31:52,159 --> 01:31:53,520
just want to note that there are a

2183
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,280
number of review standards in the zoning

2184
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,840
ordinance require staff and the board to

2185
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,080
look at when considering. Won't go over

2186
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:05,350
all those. There are in a staff report.

2187
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,760
Um, the plane director, that's me,

2188
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,159
recommends approval of CGP requests as

2189
01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:13,520
amended subject to proposed conditions,

2190
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:16,000
including requested modifications to

2191
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,560
rule event venue development standard 3.

2192
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,560
Uh, the planning commission last month

2193
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:22,800
uh recommended approval by a 5 to zero

2194
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,120
vote. And just the changes since the

2195
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,280
planning commission, uh, you can see it

2196
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:29,679
went from four to eight events a month.

2197
01:32:29,679 --> 01:32:31,360
Uh, we've removed restrictions now

2198
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,600
allowing events in winter months. So, it

2199
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:35,760
is allowable all all year, even though I

2200
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:37,520
think it would be heavily tilted towards

2201
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,480
summer and and fall spring. Uh, and the

2202
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:43,040
requests adjusting hours from 5 to 9:00

2203
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,320
p.m. to 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. I think,

2204
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:49,529
uh, Mr. Chadwick said garden clubs and,

2205
01:32:49,529 --> 01:32:51,040
[clears throat] you know, uh, groups

2206
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:52,480
like that sometimes will meet during the

2207
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:54,719
day. Uh, so that would allow that from

2208
01:32:54,719 --> 01:32:57,600
the 9:00 a.m. to the 900 pm. Uh, any

2209
01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:59,600
questions?

2210
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,080
>> Questions from the board?

2211
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:02,960
>> M. Chairman,

2212
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:04,080
>> go ahead.

2213
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:08,480
>> Uh, Lian, on page 135 of our packet, um,

2214
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:10,960
under TR Roman numeral 7, transportation

2215
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:13,440
traffic analysis, in the fourth

2216
01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:16,000
paragraph, it says, "The re recommended

2217
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,560
cup conditions require the existing

2218
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,960
Dorset road entrance to be upgraded to a

2219
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:24,239
moderate commercial entrance prior to

2220
01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:27,199
commencement of the rural venue use."

2221
01:33:27,199 --> 01:33:34,480
Um, in talking with Charity today, um, I think that moderate I didn't know what

2222
01:33:34,480 --> 01:33:37,679
one was and it depends on VOTE's

2223
01:33:37,679 --> 01:33:39,040
assessment of the amount of traffic

2224
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,760
coming in and out. Um, when you've gone

2225
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:44,480
to eight events, uh, the turn there off

2226
01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:48,239
of Dorset is a sharp 90 degree turn. Um,

2227
01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:50,000
I would encourage you as you do site

2228
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,239
planning to do as much radius there so

2229
01:33:52,239 --> 01:33:53,920
that someone coming in doesn't have to

2230
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,639
stop, make a right-hand turn, can more

2231
01:33:56,639 --> 01:33:59,920
ease into a turn going into that venue.

2232
01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:03,679
>> Yeah, I think the the moderate is 18 to

2233
01:34:03,679 --> 01:34:07,280
30 feet of width at the highway. Um, I

2234
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:09,120
think it's probably at least a 20 foot

2235
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:11,199
wide, but uh they'll look at that the

2236
01:34:11,199 --> 01:34:14,239
site plan um as far as widening that and

2237
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:16,080
work with VOTE to make sure they're

2238
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:17,120
satisfied with that.

2239
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:18,239
>> I just want a good radius on it.

2240
01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:18,639
>> Yes, sir.

2241
01:34:18,639 --> 01:34:20,080
>> Yeah. Okay. Just if you could bear that

2242
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:22,320
in mind as the site planning's done, I'd

2243
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:24,719
appreciate it.

2244
01:34:24,719 --> 01:34:28,159
>> Any other questions for staff?

2245
01:34:28,159 --> 01:34:29,760
>> Looking as applicant here to present

2246
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:33,750
anything

2247
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:35,840
» if you so desire. All right, Arthur

2248
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:39,040
Chadwick, 1240 Dors Road. Uh, this is

2249
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:41,040
just an idea we've hatched to possibly

2250
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:43,840
host events at our farm. Maybe weddings,

2251
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:45,920
maybe garden club events, wreath making

2252
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:49,120
classes, poinsetta grooming, uh, you

2253
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:52,239
know, 75 people max. It's we sort of

2254
01:34:52,239 --> 01:34:53,679
already have a, you know, people,

2255
01:34:53,679 --> 01:34:55,199
gardening, people come in regularly to

2256
01:34:55,199 --> 01:34:57,760
our farm. This is more of a an event

2257
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:01,440
specific thing, but nothing major.

2258
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:01,840
Excellent.

2259
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:07,110
>> Any questions for the applicant?

2260
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:09,280
All right. Thank you.

2261
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:10,480
>> All right. Now, we're going to open up

2262
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:11,760
to the public. I'm going to go through

2263
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:13,280
this

2264
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:16,960
one time for everybody. Uh, as Mr. Barum

2265
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:19,199
mentioned earlier, um, I'm going to I'm

2266
01:35:19,199 --> 01:35:20,480
going to reference something that he

2267
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:24,800
mentioned. Um, so the board will now

2268
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,600
conduct a public hearing. Individuals

2269
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:30,639
speaking may speak up to three minutes

2270
01:35:30,639 --> 01:35:33,120
stating their name and address for their

2271
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:36,159
district. A representative of of a

2272
01:35:36,159 --> 01:35:38,639
legally organized group may speak up to

2273
01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:40,639
five minutes. After stating their name

2274
01:35:40,639 --> 01:35:43,520
and address and representation uh

2275
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:45,520
provide at least as long as there's at

2276
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:46,800
least three members of that group

2277
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:48,719
present,

2278
01:35:48,719 --> 01:35:50,480
speakers shall direct their comments to

2279
01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:52,400
the board as a whole and not the

2280
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:56,159
individual individuals or groups. They

2281
01:35:56,159 --> 01:35:58,560
may not use any vulgar language, rude or

2282
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:00,960
threatening language. All persons in

2283
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:03,679
attendance shall observe the board's

2284
01:36:03,679 --> 01:36:06,080
decorum policy and conduct themselves in

2285
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:08,320
a professional manner that demonstrates

2286
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:10,960
respect for others and is not

2287
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:15,199
disruptive. Applause or outburst during

2288
01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:18,320
or after speaker comments is not

2289
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:20,800
appropriate and violates the board's

2290
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:23,040
decorum policy. Everybody hear that? Go

2291
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:24,960
like this for me. Thank you. Thank you

2292
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,760
so much. I appreciate you. All right. We

2293
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:29,280
would now like to open this up to the

2294
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:30,960
public. Anybody would like to come speak

2295
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:37,350
on on behalf of this hearing.

2296
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:39,120
Seeing no one, we will close this

2297
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:41,040
hearing and open it up to the board for

2298
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:43,520
any comments.

2299
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:44,320
>> Mr. Chair,

2300
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:45,119
>> go ahead.

2301
01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:47,760
>> Me and Darlene, we traveled around this

2302
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:49,760
property. We visited him, Arthur, and

2303
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:51,360
his whole place, his whole venue out

2304
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:54,080
there uh several times. We we'd love the

2305
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:57,600
idea. So, um I will be making a motion

2306
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:01,760
to approve this if any comments.

2307
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,400
>> Any other comments from the board? We

2308
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:05,760
have a motion on the floor.

2309
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:07,600
>> Second.

2310
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:08,800
>> Take a roll call vote, please.

2311
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:09,679
>> Mr. McClung.

2312
01:37:09,679 --> 01:37:10,000
>> I.

2313
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:10,719
>> Mr. Powers.

2314
01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:11,119
>> Hi.

2315
01:37:11,119 --> 01:37:12,000
>> Dr. Brown.

2316
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:12,320
>> I.

2317
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:13,199
>> Vice Chair Kenny.

2318
01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:13,520
>> Hi.

2319
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:14,639
>> Chairman Denady.

2320
01:37:14,639 --> 01:37:16,639
>> I. That passes 5. That'll bring us to

2321
01:37:16,639 --> 01:37:18,080
item B.

2322
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:20,719
>> Item B is a resoning request in district

2323
01:37:20,719 --> 01:37:22,480
one. And we'll turn things over again to

2324
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:24,080
Mr.

2325
01:37:24,080 --> 01:38:02,790
Yes sir. Thank you.

2326
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:06,560
All righty. Uh EWN and Oddell resoning

2327
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:08,880
requests request to resone approximately

2328
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,440
15.2 acres compromise of three parcels

2329
01:38:11,440 --> 01:38:13,199
on the north side of Anderson Highway

2330
01:38:13,199 --> 01:38:15,119
near Dorset Road from Commerce Center to

2331
01:38:15,119 --> 01:38:18,239
A10 and Light Industrial. The request

2332
01:38:18,239 --> 01:38:20,080
includes several bound line adjustments

2333
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,560
and replaces existing profers for one of

2334
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:28,229
the parcels from the 2024 resoning.

2335
01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:30,788
Um as you can see here the the

2336
01:38:30,788 --> 01:38:31,920
[clears throat] current parcels outlined

2337
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:34,960
on the left. The two front parcels are

2338
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:38,880
zoned Commerce Center with parcels with

2339
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,040
parcel two including Brewster's Ice Ice

2340
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,520
Cream Shop. The back parcel is zoned

2341
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,600
A10. So one you can see and two are

2342
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:47,840
Commerce Center. Three in the back is

2343
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:51,830
A10.

2344
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:53,520
And as you can see here in the future

2345
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:56,320
land use map, uh this area is squarely

2346
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:59,119
in the gateway business uh future land

2347
01:38:59,119 --> 01:39:04,229
use designation.

2348
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:06,239
Uh this slide shows the intent of the

2349
01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:08,880
reasonzoning and bound adjustment. The

2350
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:12,400
north portion of parcel 2 and the

2351
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:15,040
western portion of parcel 3 would be

2352
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:17,520
added to parcel one to create a single

2353
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,320
13.3 acre parcel.

2354
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:22,880
The rest of parcel two which contains

2355
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:26,960
roosters would remain commerce center.

2356
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,520
So you can see two there. So you start

2357
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:32,560
with three, you end with three.

2358
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:33,679
The rest of [clears throat] parcel three

2359
01:39:33,679 --> 01:39:35,520
which is included includes a restant

2360
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,760
would remain a 10. Again, three would

2361
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:40,400
remain a 10. It has a residence. Partial

2362
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:42,719
one would be splitz zoned with the

2363
01:39:42,719 --> 01:39:45,840
southern 2.7 acres remaining commerce

2364
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:48,719
center and the northern 10.6 acres

2365
01:39:48,719 --> 01:39:51,119
becoming light industrial. So front

2366
01:39:51,119 --> 01:39:54,320
portion of parcel one you still maintain

2367
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:58,950
uh the commerce center.

2368
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:01,600
Here is uh a slide just kind of show you

2369
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:03,679
the development areas with the buffer.

2370
01:40:03,679 --> 01:40:06,080
You have a buffer, the corridor buffer

2371
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:08,960
along uh Anderson Highway, 30-oot

2372
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:11,360
corridor buffer, buffer in between the

2373
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:13,360
adjoining properties. And then kind of

2374
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:15,280
that gray area shows you the development

2375
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:16,800
area.

2376
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,600
You can also see uh the connection that

2377
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,000
was part of the 2024 resoning going to

2378
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,239
what we recently had a proper amendment

2379
01:40:24,239 --> 01:40:25,920
to clean zone to the property to the

2380
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:28,239
west. You can see that that connection

2381
01:40:28,239 --> 01:40:30,480
uh being allowed to come through this

2382
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:35,189
property.

2383
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:37,360
This request does follow the previous

2384
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:39,920
resoning as stated 2024 for parcel one

2385
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:42,960
resone from A10 to Commerce Center. The

2386
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:44,480
current application retains the

2387
01:40:44,480 --> 01:40:46,239
objectives from that resoning including

2388
01:40:46,239 --> 01:40:52,629
shared access with adjacent properties.

2389
01:40:52,639 --> 01:40:55,119
Uh as part of the current request, the

2390
01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:58,320
existing road A to the right of sheets

2391
01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:00,719
would be improved. You can see existing

2392
01:41:00,719 --> 01:41:03,840
road A would be improved. Uh and you can

2393
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:06,960
see just sort of sort of sort of looking

2394
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:08,880
in the future how it could uh

2395
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:10,639
potentially be improved all the way to

2396
01:41:10,639 --> 01:41:15,040
the back in the in the blue there on the north. And then you can also see

2397
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:17,600
where uh access road B, that's the

2398
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:20,800
green, would come uh through uh the

2399
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,119
subject property, connect to uh the

2400
01:41:23,119 --> 01:41:24,800
property to the west, which is just off

2401
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:26,800
the screen. And you can also see

2402
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:28,880
obviously the existing right in right

2403
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:32,080
out uh that is on the property to the

2404
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:38,070
west of sheets.

2405
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:39,360
As [clears throat] noted the application

2406
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:41,280
contains a number of propers including

2407
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:43,040
that the boundary adjustments would be

2408
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:44,800
completed and reported prior to site

2409
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:48,950
plan submission.

2410
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:51,199
uh access management limits the the

2411
01:41:51,199 --> 01:41:54,639
connections on on to 60 to the existing

2412
01:41:54,639 --> 01:41:57,360
connections. Uh we also have a ultimate

2413
01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:02,950
rideway pedestrian pedestrian easements.

2414
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:05,440
So uh the plan director, that's me,

2415
01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:06,960
recommends approval of this resoning

2416
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:09,760
request with the profers as presented.

2417
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:11,760
Uh the planning commission voted 50 at

2418
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:13,440
their August 4th meeting to recommend

2419
01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:14,960
approval.

2420
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:16,800
Following the planning commission me

2421
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:18,320
planning commission meeting the

2422
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:20,239
applicant agreed to profer the extension

2423
01:42:20,239 --> 01:42:22,800
of the westbound acceleration lane going

2424
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:25,440
west on Anderson highway at the right in

2425
01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:27,199
right out. So will that right in right

2426
01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:30,080
out is uh we will look at the site plan

2427
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,639
to extend that uh into an acceleration

2428
01:42:32,639 --> 01:42:35,119
lane and possibly that could also

2429
01:42:35,119 --> 01:42:36,800
coordination with the clean sto folks

2430
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:38,880
just give a give an acceleration and a

2431
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:40,639
turn lane to the right there. So, I

2432
01:42:40,639 --> 01:42:42,719
appreciate them uh being, you know,

2433
01:42:42,719 --> 01:42:44,719
openminded to that potential and again

2434
01:42:44,719 --> 01:42:46,159
that would be reviewed at the site plan

2435
01:42:46,159 --> 01:42:50,560
and we could be DOT's comment. Um again,

2436
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:52,000
uh happy any questions. You have any

2437
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:55,760
questions on this this case? M

2438
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:56,480
>> go ahead.

2439
01:42:56,480 --> 01:42:59,600
>> Hey, just just one lean. Um on the

2440
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:02,719
parcels that are Commerce Center, is

2441
01:43:02,719 --> 01:43:05,440
there any proposed development at this

2442
01:43:05,440 --> 01:43:07,600
time or are we going to wait, they're

2443
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:08,880
waiting for the resoning to happen

2444
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:09,840
before they deter?

2445
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:13,096
>> Um I I'll let the applicant answer that.

2446
01:43:13,096 --> 01:43:17,510
[laughter]

2447
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:22,000
» Uh Dan Jones, 3901 Old River Trail, and

2448
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:24,400
I'm privileged to represent the owners

2449
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:26,719
of these three parcels on this this

2450
01:43:26,719 --> 01:43:32,800
resoning. Uh the the buyer of this is is

2451
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:38,560
all all the the entire area uh the

2452
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:41,280
commerce center on the western parcel

2453
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:43,760
plus what is being reszone light

2454
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,000
industrial that will be one a single

2455
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:47,520
user.

2456
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:49,920
>> Okay. But I was just curious do we have

2457
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:51,520
any idea what kind of business or

2458
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:53,199
industry may be going on those parcels

2459
01:43:53,199 --> 01:43:54,880
at this time?

2460
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:57,280
Uh yes, it seems like that's well known

2461
01:43:57,280 --> 01:43:59,119
on the street, but I'm I'm sworn to

2462
01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:00,000
secrecy, but

2463
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:01,280
>> I'm in the country, so I don't know.

2464
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:04,719
>> But but it's a uh a heavy equipment farm

2465
01:44:04,719 --> 01:44:08,159
implement uh uh sales and service

2466
01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:09,440
operation.

2467
01:44:09,440 --> 01:44:12,400
>> Uh I might say maybe somewhat similar to

2468
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:15,600
Caterpillar, but not Caterpillar.

2469
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:16,400
>> Appreciate that, sir.

2470
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:18,239
>> Does that Does that clarify?

2471
01:44:18,239 --> 01:44:19,360
>> Give their neighbors some give their

2472
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:21,119
neighbors some competition. There we go.

2473
01:44:21,119 --> 01:44:23,600
Love it. Thank you. And and I might add

2474
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:26,560
I represent the the the owners on the

2475
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:30,159
reszoning uh tailong properties. We we

2476
01:44:30,159 --> 01:44:33,119
do not represent them on the the sale of

2477
01:44:33,119 --> 01:44:35,760
the property

2478
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:38,400
and uh [clears throat]

2479
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:42,480
all I number one I want to thank Lian uh

2480
01:44:42,480 --> 01:44:45,440
county staff has been incredible and uh

2481
01:44:45,440 --> 01:44:49,040
I wish Lian well as he moves to uh uh to

2482
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:51,040
Prince George County. I just sold a

2483
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:53,360
property there and uh I've let my

2484
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:55,040
friends know down there that they have a

2485
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:59,360
good man uh coming their way. Um

2486
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:01,600
just in summary, as you know, this is in

2487
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:04,560
the uh the county's designated gateway

2488
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:07,520
business district. Uh it's consistent

2489
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:10,800
therefore with the comp plan. Uh it uh

2490
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:12,800
is a coordinated employment and tax

2491
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:16,000
revenue development. Uh I think uh I

2492
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:17,920
think it's something that uh I'm proud

2493
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:19,520
of and I think you'll be proud of it

2494
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:22,719
also. Uh it improves interpartial

2495
01:45:22,719 --> 01:45:25,840
connectivity uh to the parcel uh to the

2496
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:28,960
parcel not only the parcel to the west

2497
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:31,199
but it also connects to the parcel the

2498
01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:35,679
quan parcel uh ju just west of that and

2499
01:45:35,679 --> 01:45:38,000
uh it complies with the access

2500
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:42,480
management uh plan along route 60 uh and

2501
01:45:42,480 --> 01:45:44,960
supports the county's long-term economic

2502
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:48,639
development uh goals. and I'd be happy

2503
01:45:48,639 --> 01:45:50,560
to

2504
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:53,199
answer any questions or concerns you

2505
01:45:53,199 --> 01:45:54,159
might have.

2506
01:45:54,159 --> 01:45:55,520
>> Any questions for the applicant or

2507
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:56,159
staff?

2508
01:45:56,159 --> 01:45:58,639
>> Uh, Mr. Chairman, I I would just like to

2509
01:45:58,639 --> 01:46:00,800
uh Dan, commend you and the applicant

2510
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:02,960
for how you've treated the ingress and

2511
01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:06,320
egress on 60. Um, that that's an

2512
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:08,320
accommodation I truly appreciate and I

2513
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:10,320
think it'll be far safer to do.

2514
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:12,400
>> We we heard your comments on the

2515
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:13,920
resoning two years ago.

2516
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:15,520
>> Okay, good.

2517
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:19,270
someone listens. So, [laughter]

2518
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:20,480
» any other questions?

2519
01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:21,679
>> You you answered my question on

2520
01:46:21,679 --> 01:46:25,119
interparial connectivity. So, thank you.

2521
01:46:25,119 --> 01:46:27,040
>> Thank you.

2522
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:32,870
>> Any other questions?

2523
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:34,320
» We'll open it up to the public if

2524
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:41,270
anybody's got

2525
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:42,880
» Hello, my name is Carl Schwenderman.

2526
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:46,960
from 1727 Teresa Lane. Um, I would like

2527
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:49,360
to request that Powatan County ask the

2528
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:51,600
developer to physically build the

2529
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:53,840
five-foot sidewalk at the exact same

2530
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:55,040
time that they're going to build route.

2531
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:57,600
They're going to dig up Route 60 because

2532
01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:58,800
under the proposal, they're going to dig

2533
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:00,880
up like a 500 foot section of Route 60

2534
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:02,880
and add a whole lane to it and a turn

2535
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,360
lane. And that's a big road that's a big

2536
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:07,280
road project. And what they could do is

2537
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:09,040
just ask the the contractor, the

2538
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:10,560
engineer when they build that since

2539
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:12,000
they're digging up Route 60 and they're

2540
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,480
going to do lane closures and all that

2541
01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:16,639
mess. It would be cheaper just to ask

2542
01:47:16,639 --> 01:47:18,239
the developer to include building the

2543
01:47:18,239 --> 01:47:23,280
sidewalk between the granite place and across the front of the sheets at

2544
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:24,719
the exact same time they're going to dig

2545
01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:26,560
up Route 60 because it would get the

2546
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:29,119
sidewalk settled and it would save money

2547
01:47:29,119 --> 01:47:31,840
in the future versus trying to go out in

2548
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:33,440
the future and try to apply for grants

2549
01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:34,560
and stuff. It would just be easier just

2550
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:36,000
to get the sidewalk built along with

2551
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:40,000
Route 60 being built right now.

2552
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:41,920
>> Thank you.

2553
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:44,639
Anybody else?

2554
01:47:44,639 --> 01:47:46,719
>> Not seeing anybody. We'll close the

2555
01:47:46,719 --> 01:47:48,719
public comment for that hearing and open

2556
01:47:48,719 --> 01:47:56,149
up to board comments.

2557
01:47:56,159 --> 01:47:57,600
Not hearing any comments. I'll make a

2558
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:03,350
motion to approve uh 02026-9.

2559
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:04,719
» Second.

2560
01:48:04,719 --> 01:48:06,000
>> I'll take a roll call vote.

2561
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:06,880
>> Mr. McClung.

2562
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:07,199
>> I.

2563
01:48:07,199 --> 01:48:07,920
>> Mr. Powers.

2564
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:08,320
>> Hi.

2565
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:09,040
>> Dr. Brown.

2566
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:09,440
>> Hi.

2567
01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:10,239
>> Vice Chair Kenny.

2568
01:48:10,239 --> 01:48:10,560
>> Hi.

2569
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:11,760
>> Chairman Dennady.

2570
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:13,679
>> I passes five. And that'll bring us to

2571
01:48:13,679 --> 01:48:15,760
item C, throttle therapy.

2572
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:17,600
>> Item C is a conditional use permit

2573
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:20,320
request for a motor park in district 4.

2574
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:22,239
And Mr. Webs here. [clears throat]

2575
01:48:22,239 --> 01:48:24,159
>> Uh before I go, this will be my last

2576
01:48:24,159 --> 01:48:27,119
hearing here. So I just wanted to before

2577
01:48:27,119 --> 01:48:29,040
we get going just really uh the last

2578
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:30,719
it's been a you know short but uh

2579
01:48:30,719 --> 01:48:32,560
exciting tenure. We've done a lot in two

2580
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:34,560
and a half years and I really want to

2581
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:36,159
say to the board of supervisors I've

2582
01:48:36,159 --> 01:48:38,000
worked with a lot of boards and I really

2583
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:38,960
mean it from the bottom of my heart.

2584
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:41,280
This is an excellent board and the staff

2585
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:44,560
feel supported by you and I just going

2586
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:45,920
into a big hearing there's no other

2587
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:48,000
folks I'd rather go into a hearing and I

2588
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:50,239
know your objective and you you want to

2589
01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:51,600
do what's right for the county. So I

2590
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,119
appreciate the two and a half years and

2591
01:48:53,119 --> 01:48:54,960
all of you on the board. So thank you.

2592
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:58,285
>> Thank you.

2593
01:48:58,285 --> 01:49:01,189
[clears throat]

2594
01:49:01,199 --> 01:49:04,480
» All right. Uh this is case 2603 CUP.

2595
01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:07,040
Conditional use permit request for vital

2596
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:09,679
throttle therapy Amatic River LLC for

2597
01:49:09,679 --> 01:49:12,560
Motorsports Park on 711 acres west of

2598
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:15,440
the intersection of Rocky Ford Road and

2599
01:49:15,440 --> 01:49:18,639
River Estates Road.

2600
01:49:18,639 --> 01:49:21,600
You can see here uh map of the subject

2601
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:23,360
properties. The proposal will allow the

2602
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:25,040
development operation of an off-road

2603
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:28,080
motorsports park on two parcels located

2604
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:29,920
along the appatics river which are zoned

2605
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:33,199
A10. Uh motorsports park is allowable by

2606
01:49:33,199 --> 01:49:36,480
CUP in the A10 zoning district. Uh the

2607
01:49:36,480 --> 01:49:38,400
property includes 2 and a half miles of

2608
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:40,880
frontage along the AMEX river and is

2609
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:42,560
predominantly wooded with the network of

2610
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:47,760
existing logging trails and roads.

2611
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:49,679
As you can see here from the future land

2612
01:49:49,679 --> 01:49:52,719
use map, uh rural areas and some natural

2613
01:49:52,719 --> 01:49:54,560
conservation on the southern portion of

2614
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:57,119
the property. Uh also you can see the

2615
01:49:57,119 --> 01:49:59,679
current zoning agriculture 10 with some

2616
01:49:59,679 --> 01:50:04,950
residential to the east.

2617
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:05,920
The [clears throat] development would be

2618
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:08,239
in conformance with the concept plan as

2619
01:50:08,239 --> 01:50:11,199
shown here. Uh it would utilize existing

2620
01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:13,520
logging roads and new trail segments to

2621
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:15,520
provide amenities including a

2622
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:18,880
motorsports track, youth riding area,

2623
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:21,199
ATV sidebyside area, single track

2624
01:50:21,199 --> 01:50:23,440
trails, and extension of the current

2625
01:50:23,440 --> 01:50:25,920
trail system along with the centralized

2626
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:28,239
parking staging and supporting

2627
01:50:28,239 --> 01:50:29,840
facilities.

2628
01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:32,320
There is a 300 foot buffer along the

2629
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:34,239
exterior property boundaries. The

2630
01:50:34,239 --> 01:50:35,920
applicant is requesting to use an

2631
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:38,320
existing trails within the buffer to

2632
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:40,880
provide a pedestrian and bicycle access

2633
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:48,316
to the aimatics river.

2634
01:50:48,326 --> 01:50:49,119
[clears throat]

2635
01:50:49,119 --> 01:50:51,280
One of the issues has come up related to

2636
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:53,520
the property is the status of access to

2637
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:55,679
the property. The property is currently

2638
01:50:55,679 --> 01:50:57,679
accessed from Rocky Ford Road via River

2639
01:50:57,679 --> 01:51:00,320
States River Estates Road. From the

2640
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:02,639
terminus of River States Road, a 1400

2641
01:51:02,639 --> 01:51:05,119
foot private access road leads to the

2642
01:51:05,119 --> 01:51:06,880
property and crosses a bridge over

2643
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:09,360
Skipper Creek. The private road is

2644
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:11,440
governed by a 1985 private road

2645
01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:14,320
agreement and a 1996 recorded plat for

2646
01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:16,560
the River Estate subdivision, including

2647
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:18,880
a 50-foot buffer subject to public

2648
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:21,119
dedication for the future extension of

2649
01:51:21,119 --> 01:51:23,040
the River Estates Road as a public

2650
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:26,080
roadway. A private road application was

2651
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:28,800
approved by the plan commission 2001

2652
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:31,440
related to a planned 52 lot residential

2653
01:51:31,440 --> 01:51:34,880
subdivision on the subject property that

2654
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:37,199
the pro subdivision includes a primary

2655
01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:39,760
public access road extending from the

2656
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:41,599
end of Riverstates Road into the

2657
01:51:41,599 --> 01:51:48,229
property using the 50-foot buffer.

2658
01:51:48,239 --> 01:51:50,000
Key CUP [clears throat] conditions. In

2659
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:52,239
the In the event the board is inclined

2660
01:51:52,239 --> 01:51:54,480
to grant the CUP request, staff has put

2661
01:51:54,480 --> 01:51:55,840
together a number of recommended

2662
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:58,320
conditions. These includes restrictions

2663
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:00,480
on the number of riders and vehicles,

2664
01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:02,480
restrictions on the days and hours of

2665
01:52:02,480 --> 01:52:04,880
operation, and no more than three

2666
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:10,310
special events per year.

2667
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:12,400
And there are also requirements to

2668
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:15,040
improve the existing access address fire

2669
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:16,960
and rescue standards and minimize

2670
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:19,760
additional land disturbance. Namely, the

2671
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:21,440
existing private road leading to the

2672
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:23,440
property would have to be upgraded to a

2673
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:25,920
public roadway using again the 50-ft

2674
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:27,679
buffer area subject to public

2675
01:52:27,679 --> 01:52:30,000
dedication. A new bridge would need to

2676
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:31,679
be constructed and was an additional

2677
01:52:31,679 --> 01:52:36,390
road improvements within the property.

2678
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:38,800
No motorsport activities could begin

2679
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:40,880
until a site plan is approved and all

2680
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:43,040
required improvements have have been

2681
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:45,280
made. The applicant must obtain site

2682
01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:48,159
plan approval within 12 months of board

2683
01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:50,400
approval and the cup would be valid for

2684
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:52,719
5 years after the site plan approval

2685
01:52:52,719 --> 01:52:55,040
with renewal renewal required after

2686
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:57,280
that.

2687
01:52:57,280 --> 01:52:59,599
Again, I want to note that the

2688
01:52:59,599 --> 01:53:05,109
conditional use permit review standards

2689
01:53:05,119 --> 01:53:06,560
in the zoning ordinance and they've

2690
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:11,589
discussed them in the staff report.

2691
01:53:11,599 --> 01:53:13,280
Uh the planning director recommends

2692
01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:16,480
denialist of the C request. The planning

2693
01:53:16,480 --> 01:53:18,719
commission voted 5 to zero at their

2694
01:53:18,719 --> 01:53:21,520
August 4th meeting to recommend denial

2695
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:23,199
because the property is located adjacent

2696
01:53:23,199 --> 01:53:25,679
to the AppMax River AFD. state code

2697
01:53:25,679 --> 01:53:28,400
requires the ex the existence of a AFD

2698
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:30,719
shall be taken into account regarding

2699
01:53:30,719 --> 01:53:33,360
land use planning decisions. The

2700
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:35,119
county's AFD advisory committee has

2701
01:53:35,119 --> 01:53:37,440
recommended denial of this request and a

2702
01:53:37,440 --> 01:53:40,320
report for from the AFD is included in

2703
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:42,960
your agenda packet. Following the plan

2704
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:44,400
commission meeting, the applicant

2705
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:47,040
requests the the addition of a walking

2706
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:49,840
and biking trail in the 300 foot buffer

2707
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:51,840
at the northern end of the property,

2708
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:53,760
which was included on a previous

2709
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:56,719
provided concept plan.

2710
01:53:56,719 --> 01:53:59,119
As a result, staff has updated the

2711
01:53:59,119 --> 01:54:01,360
concept plan and adjusted the occupancy

2712
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:04,000
limits on profer number 11 to allow up

2713
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:07,360
to 125 personal vehicles instead of 100

2714
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:11,599
and limit and the limit of 150 riders a

2715
01:54:11,599 --> 01:54:14,080
day has not been changed.

2716
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:18,320
With that, do you have any questions?

2717
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:20,560
>> Any questions for staff?

2718
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:21,520
>> Mr. Chairman,

2719
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:23,280
>> go ahead.

2720
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:25,760
So, Legan, on item

2721
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:29,760
7B, public road dedication,

2722
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:32,800
um I'm assuming that public road has to

2723
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:35,040
go from the entrance all the way to

2724
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:38,560
where the motorcycles would unload and

2725
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:40,480
ride. Correct.

2726
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:42,960
>> To to the property, I think within the

2727
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:45,199
proximity of the parking area,

2728
01:54:45,199 --> 01:54:45,599
>> right?

2729
01:54:45,599 --> 01:54:47,199
>> Which would basically be at the top of

2730
01:54:47,199 --> 01:54:48,080
the hill.

2731
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:50,480
>> Correct. And if you didn't have any if

2732
01:54:50,480 --> 01:54:52,080
you didn't have 50 feet to play with,

2733
01:54:52,080 --> 01:54:53,520
then you couldn't put a public road in

2734
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:55,040
there. Correct.

2735
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:56,639
>> Well,

2736
01:54:56,639 --> 01:54:57,760
>> I mean, I've driven the road.

2737
01:54:57,760 --> 01:54:59,440
>> Right. Right. I mean, they do have

2738
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:00,880
>> when you get up towards where you're

2739
01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:02,480
going to park on the property, there's

2740
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:03,760
not 50 ft.

2741
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:06,560
>> I think the the fit the the fe simple

2742
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:09,199
pipes in comes out to Skipper Creek and

2743
01:55:09,199 --> 01:55:13,040
it's probably at least 60 70 feet of of

2744
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:15,280
land that goes all the way back to their

2745
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:17,040
property and it, you know, widens out.

2746
01:55:17,040 --> 01:55:22,080
So I I believe there's plenty of of of property to put 50 foot. Now the

2747
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:23,760
road doesn't have to be 50 foot.

2748
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:25,440
>> Well, my truck's not 50 ft wide and it

2749
01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:26,560
barely fit on the road up to the

2750
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:28,400
property. I'm just saying if the public

2751
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:30,480
roads got to go all the way up there,

2752
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:32,159
that would involve a substantial amount

2753
01:55:32,159 --> 01:55:34,000
of money, wouldn't you think?

2754
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:35,119
>> Absolutely.

2755
01:55:35,119 --> 01:55:36,800
>> Okay. Thank you.

2756
01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:37,760
>> Yep.

2757
01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:42,880
>> I have a question. As I understand it, they could not

2758
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:44,960
operate until that road was taken care

2759
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:47,119
of. Is that true? That's correct. It had

2760
01:55:47,119 --> 01:55:50,629
to be constructed

2761
01:55:50,639 --> 01:55:53,040
» there. Is there more than one entrance

2762
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:54,880
egress?

2763
01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:56,480
>> You know, I I believe for the

2764
01:55:56,480 --> 01:55:59,040
subdivision there was discussions of an

2765
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:01,360
ingress. I forget the road to the to the

2766
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:03,599
west, but maybe someone from the public

2767
01:56:03,599 --> 01:56:06,000
knows better than me, but it for a

2768
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:07,920
subdivision over 50 or more, you have to

2769
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:09,599
have a second egress. I don't know if

2770
01:56:09,599 --> 01:56:11,280
that's why that subdivision was never

2771
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:14,400
developed. Uh but uh again I mean they

2772
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:16,080
could have reduced it to maybe a 49 but

2773
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:17,679
the current code does you know for a

2774
01:56:17,679 --> 01:56:19,360
subdivision does require a second egress

2775
01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:21,840
but I'm not really too familiar

2776
01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:24,560
with the past conversations. Uh I think

2777
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:26,719
fire rescue is comfortable with they

2778
01:56:26,719 --> 01:56:28,159
would prefer a second egress but they're

2779
01:56:28,159 --> 01:56:30,320
comfortable with the compromise that

2780
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:32,800
building the the actual public road to

2781
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:37,199
the property would would be a great um

2782
01:56:37,199 --> 01:56:39,760
help and obviously access in general. It

2783
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:41,599
would it would improve the bridge that

2784
01:56:41,599 --> 01:56:44,000
cannot maintain the weight of a piece of

2785
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:44,800
fire apparatus.

2786
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:46,320
>> It would have to be built to VOTE

2787
01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:47,199
standards as well.

2788
01:56:47,199 --> 01:56:50,960
>> Was was there was there a VOTE study

2789
01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:52,320
completed for this project?

2790
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:54,880
>> I mean, they gave us review comments. Uh

2791
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:56,800
that's in your packet. We've we've

2792
01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:59,119
talked to them on numerous occasions,

2793
01:56:59,119 --> 01:57:04,560
met with them. Uh so, you know, it's a new road. So that that's a whole

2794
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:08,719
process and engineering and surveys and

2795
01:57:08,719 --> 01:57:10,800
that's that's quite a quite a process to

2796
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:12,960
go through but uh VOTE does it all the

2797
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:16,239
time and we we we do it too. Uh but so

2798
01:57:16,239 --> 01:57:18,880
that would definitely um you know take a

2799
01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:20,400
lot of review environmental review

2800
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:22,400
engineering new bridge. So it's it's a

2801
01:57:22,400 --> 01:57:24,080
substantial effort to build a road all

2802
01:57:24,080 --> 01:57:26,000
the way back there for sure. I guess a

2803
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:28,400
part of my question too is not saying

2804
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:31,360
every rider would, but when you have

2805
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:33,440
this many bikes, side by sides,

2806
01:57:33,440 --> 01:57:35,840
whatever, you're also talking trailers.

2807
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:36,560
>> Yes, sir.

2808
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:39,040
>> What is a what does a road what can road

2809
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:41,440
handle? What does the surrounding roads

2810
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:43,840
handle? What happens if a school bus,

2811
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:46,719
fire engine, somebody else uh piece of

2812
01:57:46,719 --> 01:57:48,320
farming equipment meets one of those

2813
01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:49,920
trailers on one of those roads back

2814
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:52,719
there? Well, if they get to a site plan,

2815
01:57:52,719 --> 01:57:55,119
that would be discussed. And part of

2816
01:57:55,119 --> 01:57:57,440
what could what might need to happen is

2817
01:57:57,440 --> 01:57:59,760
at Rocky Ford there that might need to

2818
01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:03,360
be widened as well, shouldered at the at

2819
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:05,040
the entrance at the entrance. I mean,

2820
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:07,040
that's quite possible uh that that would

2821
01:58:07,040 --> 01:58:08,880
be required.

2822
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:11,920
Um, but as far as a standard, I don't

2823
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:14,719
know, 20 foot road with the base, I

2824
01:58:14,719 --> 01:58:17,360
mean, that's that would be adequate for

2825
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:19,440
pulling a trailer. I don't know if the

2826
01:58:19,440 --> 01:58:23,520
radiuses at um if the radiuses and uh

2827
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:25,040
again we haven't seen an engineer site

2828
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:28,320
plan at Rocky Ford are really that great

2829
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:29,840
right now. So that would maybe have to

2830
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:31,599
be improvement.

2831
01:58:31,599 --> 01:58:35,440
>> Thanks. Any other questions for staff?

2832
01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:36,560
Excellent. We'll open up to the

2833
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:40,400
applicant now. Thank you.

2834
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:40,800
>> Thank you.

2835
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:55,750
>> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. [laughter]

2836
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:58,880
Good evening, Chairman Denady, members

2837
01:58:58,880 --> 01:59:01,599
of the board, county staff, and

2838
01:59:01,599 --> 01:59:03,199
community.

2839
01:59:03,199 --> 01:59:04,639
Thank you for the opportunity to speak

2840
01:59:04,639 --> 01:59:07,280
with you tonight. We are deeply grateful

2841
01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:08,719
to be here and for the privilege to

2842
01:59:08,719 --> 01:59:10,400
invest in and become members of this

2843
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:12,960
community. My name is Scott McAdoo. I'm

2844
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:14,639
a police first responder. My partner

2845
01:59:14,639 --> 01:59:16,159
Alex is a federal law enforcement

2846
01:59:16,159 --> 01:59:18,719
officer and Iraq veteran. Between the

2847
01:59:18,719 --> 01:59:21,679
two of us, we are husbands, fathers, and

2848
01:59:21,679 --> 01:59:24,239
parents to five children. Yes, we

2849
01:59:24,239 --> 01:59:26,159
currently live in Annapolis, Maryland,

2850
01:59:26,159 --> 01:59:28,239
but our focus, our investment, and our

2851
01:59:28,239 --> 01:59:31,119
passion are right here in Virginia. Our

2852
01:59:31,119 --> 01:59:33,840
journey started quite simply. We fell in

2853
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:36,400
love with off-road riding vehicles, and

2854
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:38,080
our families and our families fell in

2855
01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:40,560
love with it, too. But we quickly ran

2856
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:43,199
into a major obstacle. It was nearly

2857
01:59:43,199 --> 01:59:46,159
impossible to find a private, safe,

2858
01:59:46,159 --> 01:59:48,000
high-quality place for our families to

2859
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:51,440
ride together. So, we took a leap of

2860
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:53,360
faith. We scraped together our personal

2861
01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:56,480
savings, took out several loans, and

2862
01:59:56,480 --> 01:59:58,480
purchased a 93 acre property in Orange,

2863
01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:02,159
Virginia, right next to Lake Anna.

2864
02:00:02,159 --> 02:00:04,239
Given what Alex and I see every day in

2865
02:00:04,239 --> 02:00:06,960
our line of work, we named it Throttle

2866
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:09,599
Therapy Lake Anna. For us, getting out

2867
02:00:09,599 --> 02:00:12,480
on dirt bikes, ATVs, side by sides, and

2868
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:15,199
target shooting wasn't just recreation.

2869
02:00:15,199 --> 02:00:17,920
It was a way to decompress, disconnect

2870
02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:20,480
from the bad things out in the world,

2871
02:00:20,480 --> 02:00:23,199
and reconnect with our kids.

2872
02:00:23,199 --> 02:00:25,119
We decided to share our journey journey

2873
02:00:25,119 --> 02:00:27,360
on social media, turning the property

2874
02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:29,760
into a private Airbnb style vacation

2875
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:33,199
rental for riding and target shooting.

2876
02:00:33,199 --> 02:00:35,360
We didn't have all the answers. We just

2877
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:37,760
had two months of cash reserves and we

2878
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:40,239
made plenty of mistakes along the way.

2879
02:00:40,239 --> 02:00:42,880
But failure is a great teacher and every

2880
02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:45,119
setback taught us how to build a better,

2881
02:00:45,119 --> 02:00:49,520
safer, and more structured operation.

2882
02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:51,199
Through those lessons, we learned very

2883
02:00:51,199 --> 02:00:53,280
quickly that there was a massive demand

2884
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:54,960
for outdoor recreation in central

2885
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:58,800
Virginia and far too far too few places

2886
02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:01,840
to go. Because Lake Anna was p was a

2887
02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:03,599
private rental centered around a large

2888
02:01:03,599 --> 02:01:06,239
farmhouse, our phone started ringing

2889
02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:09,760
continuously with daily inquiries. We

2890
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:12,639
quickly realized a pattern. Not every

2891
02:01:12,639 --> 02:01:14,239
family needed or could afford a big

2892
02:01:14,239 --> 02:01:16,880
farmhouse. Many simply wanted a safe

2893
02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:18,800
place to ride for the day, bring their

2894
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:21,440
camper, or stay in a small cabin for a

2895
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:23,840
night or two. Families were desperate

2896
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:27,360
for a flexible, managed park option. To

2897
02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:28,880
solve that challenge and give family

2898
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:31,199
those options, we went on the hunt for a

2899
02:01:31,199 --> 02:01:34,080
larger property. That search brought us

2900
02:01:34,080 --> 02:01:36,719
here to Powatan County, where we fell in

2901
02:01:36,719 --> 02:01:38,880
love with two things. The incredible

2902
02:01:38,880 --> 02:01:41,440
rural character of the community and the

2903
02:01:41,440 --> 02:01:44,320
proximity to Richmond. Our first target

2904
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:46,719
was a 1400 acre tract off Brackets Ben

2905
02:01:46,719 --> 02:01:49,760
Road. We loved how isolated and secluded

2906
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:53,040
it was. But when we visited, we found a

2907
02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:56,560
critical flaw. Access.

2908
02:01:56,560 --> 02:01:58,239
Reaching that site meant driving

2909
02:01:58,239 --> 02:02:00,960
directly through a neighborhood, not

2910
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:02,719
around it like the property we are

2911
02:02:02,719 --> 02:02:04,400
discussing here tonight on Rocky Ford

2912
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:07,040
Road. To make matters worse, from our

2913
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:10,800
calculations, the driveway easement ran

2914
02:02:10,800 --> 02:02:12,719
through a neighbor's garage and fence

2915
02:02:12,719 --> 02:02:15,520
line. We knew right away that driving

2916
02:02:15,520 --> 02:02:16,800
through a neighborhood like that was

2917
02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:18,239
going to be a huge challenge with the

2918
02:02:18,239 --> 02:02:21,040
community. Before moving forward on the

2919
02:02:21,040 --> 02:02:23,520
property, we knew we needed county

2920
02:02:23,520 --> 02:02:26,480
support. My very first call to Palian

2921
02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:28,400
County was to board supervisor Mark

2922
02:02:28,400 --> 02:02:31,199
Kenny. Mr. Kenny, I don't know if you

2923
02:02:31,199 --> 02:02:33,840
remember that call, but I certainly do.

2924
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:35,840
I remember how excited you were about

2925
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:37,280
bringing a structured outdoor

2926
02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:39,760
powersports park to Powatan.

2927
02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:42,000
Mr. Kenny connected us with M. Mrs.

2928
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:44,719
Roxanne Serno, your director of economic

2929
02:02:44,719 --> 02:02:48,159
development. Mrs. Serno shared that

2930
02:02:48,159 --> 02:02:51,280
excitement. She saw the vision, families

2931
02:02:51,280 --> 02:02:53,520
visiting Powatan, staying in local

2932
02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:55,599
lodging, spending money with local

2933
02:02:55,599 --> 02:02:57,760
vendors, and enjoying outdoor

2934
02:02:57,760 --> 02:02:59,440
recreation.

2935
02:02:59,440 --> 02:03:02,560
All while preserving Powatan Powatan's

2936
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:04,560
rural landscape without placing demands

2937
02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:07,040
on your school system or your taxpayer

2938
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:09,679
dollars. When we hit a legislative

2939
02:03:09,679 --> 02:03:11,920
hurdle discovering that a power sports

2940
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:13,440
park

2941
02:03:13,440 --> 02:03:15,679
parks were not permitted on A10

2942
02:03:15,679 --> 02:03:18,320
agricultural land, the board took

2943
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:20,560
action. While the planning commission

2944
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:23,119
voted against the change, you, the board

2945
02:03:23,119 --> 02:03:25,040
of supervisors, stepped up and amended

2946
02:03:25,040 --> 02:03:27,280
the code to make outdoor recreation

2947
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:29,840
possible on A10 land. We thank you

2948
02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:32,719
sincerely for that leadership.

2949
02:03:32,719 --> 02:03:34,800
Eventually, the 1400 acre opportunity

2950
02:03:34,800 --> 02:03:36,880
fell through and for a moment, we

2951
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:38,560
thought our journey with Powatan was

2952
02:03:38,560 --> 02:03:40,480
over. But then we connected with the

2953
02:03:40,480 --> 02:03:42,400
owners of the 700 acre property off

2954
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:44,800
Rocky Ford Road, Throttle Therapy

2955
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:47,440
Appamatics River and Powatan Powersports

2956
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:50,639
Park. The 700 acre site is remarkably

2957
02:03:50,639 --> 02:03:52,239
secluded

2958
02:03:52,239 --> 02:03:55,119
with very few residents nearby unlike

2959
02:03:55,119 --> 02:03:58,400
Brackets Bend. Traffic drives around the

2960
02:03:58,400 --> 02:03:59,599
neighborhood rather than straight

2961
02:03:59,599 --> 02:04:01,760
through it. Does it have access

2962
02:04:01,760 --> 02:04:04,560
challenges? Yes. There's a shared

2963
02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:06,960
driveway and an older bridge, though.

2964
02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:08,800
That bridge is currently driven across

2965
02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:10,639
every day by members of the community

2966
02:04:10,639 --> 02:04:13,040
and patrons of a local public wine

2967
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:15,760
vineyard. Just two days after we

2968
02:04:15,760 --> 02:04:17,360
submitted our conditional use permit

2969
02:04:17,360 --> 02:04:20,400
application, chairman Dennady ran a poll

2970
02:04:20,400 --> 02:04:22,560
in P in the Powatan and the no Facebook

2971
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:25,679
group regarding the proposed park. I

2972
02:04:25,679 --> 02:04:29,040
recall that over 70% of respondents

2973
02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:32,320
supported our park, people wanted this.

2974
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:35,840
Yet even with such support for our park,

2975
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:40,159
something shifted. Something changed and

2976
02:04:40,159 --> 02:04:42,400
momentum with county leadership started

2977
02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:44,159
to cool.

2978
02:04:44,159 --> 02:04:46,960
To address local concerns, the county

2979
02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:49,520
recommended we host a community meeting.

2980
02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:51,840
It wasn't legally required and the

2981
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:54,639
county staff helped select 25 neighbors

2982
02:04:54,639 --> 02:04:57,840
who would be most directly impacted. We

2983
02:04:57,840 --> 02:04:59,520
purposely kept this off of our social

2984
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:01,760
media. We didn't post a single word

2985
02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:04,000
about Powatan to our followers because

2986
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:06,320
we wanted to speak directly with those

2987
02:05:06,320 --> 02:05:09,760
25 neighbors first. We sent out 25

2988
02:05:09,760 --> 02:05:12,639
letters, but words spread like wildfire

2989
02:05:12,639 --> 02:05:14,880
and nearly 90 people showed up on the

2990
02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:17,040
very first day of our two-day meeting.

2991
02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:19,199
Unfortunately, many of their minds were

2992
02:05:19,199 --> 02:05:21,119
already made up before we even opened

2993
02:05:21,119 --> 02:05:23,920
our mouths. As wild accusations and

2994
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:26,080
misinformation began to circulate, we

2995
02:05:26,080 --> 02:05:28,239
turned to our social media channels to

2996
02:05:28,239 --> 02:05:29,840
share the actual facts and set the

2997
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:33,040
record straight. But it became apparent

2998
02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:35,599
that no matter what facts we presented,

2999
02:05:35,599 --> 02:05:37,520
no matter what evidence we showed or how

3000
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:39,119
directly we answered their concerns, the

3001
02:05:39,119 --> 02:05:41,599
oppos opposition simply refused to

3002
02:05:41,599 --> 02:05:44,400
listen. They didn't like our answers.

3003
02:05:44,400 --> 02:05:46,480
They didn't want the facts. And in their

3004
02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:48,719
eyes, we were always wrong, no matter

3005
02:05:48,719 --> 02:05:51,679
what solution we brought to the table.

3006
02:05:51,679 --> 02:05:53,760
Since then, the requirements placed on

3007
02:05:53,760 --> 02:05:57,040
us have only grown. When we included the

3008
02:05:57,040 --> 02:05:59,520
on-site lodging option in our initial

3009
02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:02,159
application, which is a key driver for

3010
02:06:02,159 --> 02:06:04,639
local tax revenue and essential for

3011
02:06:04,639 --> 02:06:06,960
those families wanting small cabins or

3012
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:10,239
camper spots, county staff asked us to

3013
02:06:10,239 --> 02:06:14,000
remove it from our application. Then

3014
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:17,920
after us strip after asking us to strip

3015
02:06:17,920 --> 02:06:21,199
lodging out, the county turned around

3016
02:06:21,199 --> 02:06:23,360
and told us that our park wouldn't

3017
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:25,599
generate much revenue.

3018
02:06:25,599 --> 02:06:27,840
On top of that, we required to build and

3019
02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:31,199
replace a brand new road up to full VOTE

3020
02:06:31,199 --> 02:06:34,880
standards, a bridge that neighbors and a

3021
02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:37,679
public vineyard say is unsafe. Yet, no

3022
02:06:37,679 --> 02:06:39,199
one else in the community is stepping up

3023
02:06:39,199 --> 02:06:41,520
to fund or repair.

3024
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:43,280
Despite these despite these moving

3025
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:45,840
goalposts, we have continued to look for

3026
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:49,199
ways to give back and align with Powatan

3027
02:06:49,199 --> 02:06:52,000
County's long-term vision. We read the

3028
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:54,800
Powatan County strategic plan with

3029
02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:57,280
highlights which highlights goals for

3030
02:06:57,280 --> 02:07:00,719
public access to the Appamatics River as

3031
02:07:00,719 --> 02:07:03,920
well as expanding expanded public hiking

3032
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:06,560
and pedal bike trails.

3033
02:07:06,560 --> 02:07:09,040
We knew we know that the community

3034
02:07:09,040 --> 02:07:11,040
members have expressed their desire for

3035
02:07:11,040 --> 02:07:14,079
more free public public hiking trails

3036
02:07:14,079 --> 02:07:15,920
and we want to help the community

3037
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:18,000
achieve that goal, the county achieve

3038
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:21,440
that goal. If the permit, if this permit

3039
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:23,360
is approved, we are proposing to

3040
02:07:23,360 --> 02:07:26,000
dedicate a public trail

3041
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:28,320
within our buffer zone along adjoining

3042
02:07:28,320 --> 02:07:31,040
property lines, creating a lasting asset

3043
02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:33,360
for non-motorized public recreation in

3044
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:34,880
Powatan.

3045
02:07:34,880 --> 02:07:36,480
It's frustrating when members of the

3046
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:40,000
opposition tell us, "We support riding,

3047
02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:42,560
just not this location."

3048
02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:44,400
Some of those same individuals have been

3049
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:46,159
so determined to see us fail that

3050
02:07:46,159 --> 02:07:48,639
they've even begun attacking our private

3051
02:07:48,639 --> 02:07:51,360
farm in Orange County. An action that

3052
02:07:51,360 --> 02:07:54,000
does nothing except eliminate the very

3053
02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:57,920
places families rely on to ride safely.

3054
02:07:57,920 --> 02:08:00,800
and our opponents. If our opponents

3055
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:03,679
truly support outdoor recreation, we

3056
02:08:03,679 --> 02:08:06,000
would welcome the same passion and

3057
02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:09,360
energy being channeled into helping us

3058
02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:13,199
find a solution we can all agree on

3059
02:08:13,199 --> 02:08:15,280
rather than tearing down private family

3060
02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:16,880
businesses.

3061
02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:18,400
Members of the board, here's a clear

3062
02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:20,639
choice for you before you tonight. The

3063
02:08:20,639 --> 02:08:22,480
current land owners build subdivisions

3064
02:08:22,480 --> 02:08:24,639
for a living. By right, this property

3065
02:08:24,639 --> 02:08:26,159
can be developed into a residential

3066
02:08:26,159 --> 02:08:29,599
subdivision up to 88 lots, permanently

3067
02:08:29,599 --> 02:08:31,840
changing the landscape and causing its

3068
02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:34,000
own environmental challenges. A

3069
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:36,320
subdivision brings permanent traffic,

3070
02:08:36,320 --> 02:08:38,880
strain on infrastructure, and heavy

3071
02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:41,920
financial burdens on public services and

3072
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:44,639
schools. However, the owners have agreed

3073
02:08:44,639 --> 02:08:48,560
to to allow us to lease this land for up

3074
02:08:48,560 --> 02:08:52,000
to 15 years. This is up to a 15-year

3075
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:54,480
lease. This up to 15-year lease provides

3076
02:08:54,480 --> 02:08:57,520
a vital bridge. It preserves 700 acres

3077
02:08:57,520 --> 02:09:00,239
of open rural land while development

3078
02:09:00,239 --> 02:09:03,040
gradually pushes west from Richmond. It

3079
02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:05,440
supports your strategic plan. It funds

3080
02:09:05,440 --> 02:09:08,560
local infrastructure repairs. It gives

3081
02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:11,360
kids and families a safe, controlled

3082
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:14,639
place to enjoy outdoor recreation,

3083
02:09:14,639 --> 02:09:17,040
all while possibly delaying dense

3084
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:19,199
residential development until the county

3085
02:09:19,199 --> 02:09:22,320
is truly ready for it. Alex and I are

3086
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:24,800
first responders, veterans, fathers, and

3087
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:26,719
small business owners who believe in

3088
02:09:26,719 --> 02:09:29,679
doing the thing things the right way. We

3089
02:09:29,679 --> 02:09:31,280
look forward to investing in and

3090
02:09:31,280 --> 02:09:33,440
becoming members of this community, and

3091
02:09:33,440 --> 02:09:35,679
we respectfully ask for your approval of

3092
02:09:35,679 --> 02:09:38,000
our conditional use permit tonight.

3093
02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:39,520
Finally, I wanted to take a moment to

3094
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:42,480
deeply thank all of our supporters.

3095
02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:44,560
To everyone who has shown so much

3096
02:09:44,560 --> 02:09:46,480
passion for this project and taken the

3097
02:09:46,480 --> 02:09:49,520
time to email the board to voice to

3098
02:09:49,520 --> 02:09:53,119
voice your support for throttle therapy.

3099
02:09:53,119 --> 02:09:56,239
We hear you. We appreciate you and we

3100
02:09:56,239 --> 02:09:58,000
would wouldn't be standing here without

3101
02:09:58,000 --> 02:10:00,560
you. So, thank you. I'd also

3102
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:02,079
specifically like to thank Mr. living

3103
02:10:02,079 --> 02:10:04,960
and web for all his hard work throughout

3104
02:10:04,960 --> 02:10:06,719
this process and wish him the absolute

3105
02:10:06,719 --> 02:10:09,360
best moving forward. Thank you for your

3106
02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:11,599
time, your leadership and your

3107
02:10:11,599 --> 02:10:13,199
consideration.

3108
02:10:13,199 --> 02:10:15,040
>> Thank you. What uh what questions we

3109
02:10:15,040 --> 02:10:18,629
have for the applicant?

3110
02:10:18,639 --> 02:10:19,599
» I have a question,

3111
02:10:19,599 --> 02:10:20,320
>> please.

3112
02:10:20,320 --> 02:10:23,440
>> So, you are willing to bring a road up

3113
02:10:23,440 --> 02:10:27,199
to VOTE standards and rebuild a bridge

3114
02:10:27,199 --> 02:10:30,400
on land that you are leasing?

3115
02:10:30,400 --> 02:10:31,840
>> That would be Yes, ma'am. That would be

3116
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:33,760
one of the CR requirements. In order to

3117
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:35,840
access to open up, we would be required

3118
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:37,760
to build the road up to VOTE standards

3119
02:10:37,760 --> 02:10:42,239
and build a new bridge. That is correct.

3120
02:10:42,239 --> 02:10:44,320
>> But you you still don't own the land.

3121
02:10:44,320 --> 02:10:45,440
>> That's correct.

3122
02:10:45,440 --> 02:10:47,920
>> Okay.

3123
02:10:47,920 --> 02:10:50,480
>> That is a big condition of our approval

3124
02:10:50,480 --> 02:10:54,870
that that access.

3125
02:10:54,880 --> 02:10:58,960
» I didn't see an economic impact um

3126
02:10:58,960 --> 02:11:01,440
report in the packet.

3127
02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:05,199
Um and we have heard that this would

3128
02:11:05,199 --> 02:11:08,400
help Palatan

3129
02:11:08,400 --> 02:11:13,280
um generate revenues for

3130
02:11:13,280 --> 02:11:16,880
businesses and lodging.

3131
02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:22,229
>> We don't have any lodging.

3132
02:11:22,239 --> 02:11:24,719
» So this is build it and they're come.

3133
02:11:24,719 --> 02:11:27,440
So, initially with our application, we

3134
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:30,480
when talking to Miss Miss Serno, we

3135
02:11:30,480 --> 02:11:32,800
wanted to add a campground and bring in

3136
02:11:32,800 --> 02:11:34,320
parkstyle

3137
02:11:34,320 --> 02:11:37,119
semi-permanent cabins to bring in the

3138
02:11:37,119 --> 02:11:37,599
lodging.

3139
02:11:37,599 --> 02:11:39,199
>> You don't have any water coming in there

3140
02:11:39,199 --> 02:11:40,239
or any sewer.

3141
02:11:40,239 --> 02:11:41,760
>> That is correct. We would have to work

3142
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:43,199
that. We would have to

3143
02:11:43,199 --> 02:11:44,079
>> I guess you would.

3144
02:11:44,079 --> 02:11:44,719
>> We would.

3145
02:11:44,719 --> 02:11:45,199
>> Yeah,

3146
02:11:45,199 --> 02:11:46,320
>> we would. Okay.

3147
02:11:46,320 --> 02:11:48,159
>> And and initially that's what our plan

3148
02:11:48,159 --> 02:11:50,320
was. And then county staff had asked us,

3149
02:11:50,320 --> 02:11:52,079
they said, "Why don't we, why don't we

3150
02:11:52,079 --> 02:11:53,360
just kind of get in there and let the

3151
02:11:53,360 --> 02:11:55,440
dust settle and then we can we can kind

3152
02:11:55,440 --> 02:11:56,960
of figure that part out." So, that was

3153
02:11:56,960 --> 02:11:58,880
one thing that the planning commission,

3154
02:11:58,880 --> 02:12:00,719
they mentioned that, well, we don't

3155
02:12:00,719 --> 02:12:03,360
quite see the revenue on that. However,

3156
02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:05,440
we wanted to bring that with the lodging

3157
02:12:05,440 --> 02:12:09,520
because my understanding is we don't have a hotel or a motel here in

3158
02:12:09,520 --> 02:12:11,520
the county. We wanted to help with that,

3159
02:12:11,520 --> 02:12:13,119
but we were asked to take that out and

3160
02:12:13,119 --> 02:12:14,159
remove it.

3161
02:12:14,159 --> 02:12:15,920
>> Okay. I still didn't see an economic

3162
02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:18,480
impact. What do you think you would

3163
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:20,880
generate or the county?

3164
02:12:20,880 --> 02:12:23,920
>> Are you looking for a specific what?

3165
02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:27,840
>> I'm assuming as a business person that

3166
02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:30,719
you have determined a return on

3167
02:12:30,719 --> 02:12:31,679
investment.

3168
02:12:31,679 --> 02:12:32,239
>> Mhm. [clears throat]

3169
02:12:32,239 --> 02:12:34,239
>> So you don't lose your shirt.

3170
02:12:34,239 --> 02:12:37,599
>> Sure. Um, and part of that would be

3171
02:12:37,599 --> 02:12:40,400
money that would have to come to the

3172
02:12:40,400 --> 02:12:46,159
county in terms of taxable income.

3173
02:12:46,159 --> 02:12:48,480
In your estimate,

3174
02:12:48,480 --> 02:12:51,280
what is coming to the county? If you

3175
02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:52,880
haven't gotten there, that's fine. I

3176
02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:55,920
just I keep hearing economic impact will

3177
02:12:55,920 --> 02:12:58,000
be positive.

3178
02:12:58,000 --> 02:12:59,760
And I'll be darned if I could find that

3179
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:01,760
in this packet.

3180
02:13:01,760 --> 02:13:02,719
>> Yes, ma'am.

3181
02:13:02,719 --> 02:13:04,560
>> It's just a practical question. If

3182
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:05,679
you're not there, you're not there.

3183
02:13:05,679 --> 02:13:07,040
That's fine.

3184
02:13:07,040 --> 02:13:09,280
>> We are not there because we weren't we

3185
02:13:09,280 --> 02:13:11,119
were asked to remove the lodging. We

3186
02:13:11,119 --> 02:13:12,400
were asked to remove the lodging from

3187
02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:14,639
the application. We wanted to do that.

3188
02:13:14,639 --> 02:13:16,159
We wanted to bring in those revenue

3189
02:13:16,159 --> 02:13:17,760
dollars because we understand that would

3190
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:19,440
be a vast driver for that.

3191
02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:22,480
>> Okay. So, that is something you bringing

3192
02:13:22,480 --> 02:13:23,040
in,

3193
02:13:23,040 --> 02:13:23,679
>> excuse me,

3194
02:13:23,679 --> 02:13:26,239
>> how many lodgings were you bringing in?

3195
02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:28,400
>> How many? We wanted to have up to Alex

3196
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:29,520
up to 20. Up

3197
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:30,400
>> up to 20.

3198
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:35,189
little cabins.

3199
02:13:35,199 --> 02:13:38,400
No more questions.

3200
02:13:38,400 --> 02:13:38,719
>> Thank you.

3201
02:13:38,719 --> 02:13:39,840
You're welcome.

3202
02:13:39,840 --> 02:13:43,750
>> Any uh any questions?

3203
02:13:43,760 --> 02:13:47,920
» Scott, I'm um not a writer. Um my life

3204
02:13:47,920 --> 02:13:49,679
I've been a fireman. So,

3205
02:13:49,679 --> 02:13:50,639
>> thank you for your service.

3206
02:13:50,639 --> 02:13:52,357
>> Yeah. I want to give you u

3207
02:13:52,357 --> 02:13:54,390
[clears throat and cough]

3208
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:56,719
you use the word therapy in your in your

3209
02:13:56,719 --> 02:13:58,639
name. Can you dive into that a little

3210
02:13:58,639 --> 02:14:00,159
bit for me?

3211
02:14:00,159 --> 02:14:02,560
>> Yes, sir. So,

3212
02:14:02,560 --> 02:14:04,320
I've been a I've been a police officer

3213
02:14:04,320 --> 02:14:07,520
for coming up on 15 years now. Alex was

3214
02:14:07,520 --> 02:14:10,239
an Iraq war veteran.

3215
02:14:10,239 --> 02:14:12,400
During during my time in law

3216
02:14:12,400 --> 02:14:14,000
enforcement, I've seen some really bad

3217
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:16,960
things. Um, I've had to notify a lot of

3218
02:14:16,960 --> 02:14:19,679
make a lot of bad visits to notify

3219
02:14:19,679 --> 02:14:21,599
family members have passed, children

3220
02:14:21,599 --> 02:14:25,920
being hurt, killed, messy suicides,

3221
02:14:25,920 --> 02:14:28,159
and that stuff. I thought I was immune

3222
02:14:28,159 --> 02:14:30,560
to that. And there's things that still

3223
02:14:30,560 --> 02:14:32,880
stick with me mentally,

3224
02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:36,159
things that that haunted me for a while.

3225
02:14:36,159 --> 02:14:39,920
And then I talked to my wife about this

3226
02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:41,440
and I said, you know, this is this is

3227
02:14:41,440 --> 02:14:42,880
bugging me a little bit. And every time

3228
02:14:42,880 --> 02:14:44,639
I see certain things or I go past a

3229
02:14:44,639 --> 02:14:46,320
certain road, it reminds me of those bad

3230
02:14:46,320 --> 02:14:48,079
images.

3231
02:14:48,079 --> 02:14:51,280
Well, then along came CO. Along came CO.

3232
02:14:51,280 --> 02:14:53,360
We were all locked down. We couldn't do

3233
02:14:53,360 --> 02:14:55,520
anything.

3234
02:14:55,520 --> 02:14:57,199
What we knew to do was let's get outside

3235
02:14:57,199 --> 02:14:59,520
and get some fresh air.

3236
02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:01,760
So, Alex lives across the street from

3237
02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:05,199
me. Other first responders, military

3238
02:15:05,199 --> 02:15:07,760
members, business owners.

3239
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:10,719
We went out, we bought dirt bikes, we

3240
02:15:10,719 --> 02:15:12,159
fell in love with riding. We went

3241
02:15:12,159 --> 02:15:14,880
outside, enjoyed the outdoors. We kind

3242
02:15:14,880 --> 02:15:16,400
of started a little joke and it just

3243
02:15:16,400 --> 02:15:18,159
was, "Hey, let's go get some throttle

3244
02:15:18,159 --> 02:15:20,320
therapy today."

3245
02:15:20,320 --> 02:15:22,800
And when I ride, I found something that

3246
02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:25,119
I truly love. And I found so many other

3247
02:15:25,119 --> 02:15:26,639
we've connected with so many other great

3248
02:15:26,639 --> 02:15:29,920
individuals that when we ride and when I

3249
02:15:29,920 --> 02:15:32,239
ride I think about just two things I

3250
02:15:32,239 --> 02:15:34,079
think about it can tune it all out and I

3251
02:15:34,079 --> 02:15:36,480
can think about riding that bike and not

3252
02:15:36,480 --> 02:15:38,800
smacking the next tree

3253
02:15:38,800 --> 02:15:41,119
and I absolutely love it and it's just

3254
02:15:41,119 --> 02:15:44,239
something that has brought me so much

3255
02:15:44,239 --> 02:15:47,280
help and and just an opportunity to get

3256
02:15:47,280 --> 02:15:50,719
out enjoy the rural country and and it's

3257
02:15:50,719 --> 02:15:54,480
unfortunate because I know We see as a

3258
02:15:54,480 --> 02:15:55,920
long career in the in the fire

3259
02:15:55,920 --> 02:15:57,599
department and the police department, we

3260
02:15:57,599 --> 02:16:02,239
see so many bad images over and over. And there's and I I can't quote

3261
02:16:02,239 --> 02:16:04,639
the studies, but we there's so many

3262
02:16:04,639 --> 02:16:06,480
studies those those images, they just

3263
02:16:06,480 --> 02:16:09,119
slowly cause a little tear in our in our

3264
02:16:09,119 --> 02:16:13,280
brains. And and that's and so it it it

3265
02:16:13,280 --> 02:16:14,880
really just kind of started as a little

3266
02:16:14,880 --> 02:16:16,320
hey, let's go get some throttle therapy.

3267
02:16:16,320 --> 02:16:18,800
And then talking to

3268
02:16:18,800 --> 02:16:21,599
other guests and visiting the other

3269
02:16:21,599 --> 02:16:23,360
tracks. I like to do a lot of interviews

3270
02:16:23,360 --> 02:16:25,679
and I just ask them, you know, what what

3271
02:16:25,679 --> 02:16:28,159
is it about riding that you really enjoy

3272
02:16:28,159 --> 02:16:30,639
and the answers are all very similar as

3273
02:16:30,639 --> 02:16:32,960
I mentioned and and and I thank you for

3274
02:16:32,960 --> 02:16:35,200
the opportunity to explain that.

3275
02:16:35,200 --> 02:16:37,359
>> Thank you.

3276
02:16:37,359 --> 02:16:38,319
>> Any other questions,

3277
02:16:38,319 --> 02:16:39,519
>> M? Go ahead.

3278
02:16:39,519 --> 02:16:40,880
>> So, I do have one other question. You

3279
02:16:40,880 --> 02:16:41,840
made a couple comments about

3280
02:16:41,840 --> 02:16:44,399
misinformation. 100% agree with

3281
02:16:44,399 --> 02:16:46,240
everything that you said about me and

3282
02:16:46,240 --> 02:16:47,840
being excited because when I looked at

3283
02:16:47,840 --> 02:16:49,519
that other track of land, there wasn't a

3284
02:16:49,519 --> 02:16:51,200
house anywhere I could find.

3285
02:16:51,200 --> 02:16:53,439
>> Mhm. So, I'm really curious because from

3286
02:16:53,439 --> 02:16:54,960
what I understand, the deal fell through

3287
02:16:54,960 --> 02:16:56,559
because the landowner wanted to keep

3288
02:16:56,559 --> 02:16:59,920
that property for land credits. Not that

3289
02:16:59,920 --> 02:17:02,719
you guys had easement access or anything

3290
02:17:02,719 --> 02:17:04,000
like that because when I looked at the

3291
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:06,000
road to that property, I didn't see it

3292
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:07,439
go through a house, neighborhood, or

3293
02:17:07,439 --> 02:17:09,760
anything. That was the reason why I got

3294
02:17:09,760 --> 02:17:11,280
so excited about it.

3295
02:17:11,280 --> 02:17:14,080
>> So, I I'm really confused as to why all

3296
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:16,479
of a sudden you're saying access to that

3297
02:17:16,479 --> 02:17:18,080
property was an issue when there wasn't

3298
02:17:18,080 --> 02:17:20,000
a neighborhood or structures anywhere

3299
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:22,000
around it. So, if I recall, there were

3300
02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:24,000
two accesses access points to that.

3301
02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:25,920
There was the one access road right

3302
02:17:25,920 --> 02:17:27,760
through the neighborhood and it really

3303
02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:29,840
bottlenecked on that gravel road that

3304
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:31,359
would I guess you would call the main

3305
02:17:31,359 --> 02:17:34,479
access to that. And we went out actually

3306
02:17:34,479 --> 02:17:35,920
took some measurements with the tape

3307
02:17:35,920 --> 02:17:38,479
measure and the and their fence was

3308
02:17:38,479 --> 02:17:40,559
there, their trees were there, and my

3309
02:17:40,559 --> 02:17:43,040
understanding it was a 25 was it a 50ft

3310
02:17:43,040 --> 02:17:43,920
easement, Alex?

3311
02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:46,559
>> I think it was 25, but at the smallest

3312
02:17:46,559 --> 02:17:48,559
point there's about 16 ft.

3313
02:17:48,559 --> 02:17:50,960
>> It was it was very tight. CC road.

3314
02:17:50,960 --> 02:17:52,080
There's another CC road.

3315
02:17:52,080 --> 02:17:53,280
>> Well, because the road I looked at that

3316
02:17:53,280 --> 02:17:54,479
went to the property, there weren't any

3317
02:17:54,479 --> 02:17:55,920
structures around it

3318
02:17:55,920 --> 02:17:56,319
>> there.

3319
02:17:56,319 --> 02:17:57,840
>> On the plat I looked at when you guys

3320
02:17:57,840 --> 02:17:59,519
first contacted me, when I looked at the

3321
02:17:59,519 --> 02:18:00,719
property and discussed it with the

3322
02:18:00,719 --> 02:18:02,399
planning department, I didn't see any

3323
02:18:02,399 --> 02:18:03,920
neighborhoods. I didn't see any houses.

3324
02:18:03,920 --> 02:18:05,760
Didn't see anything. That's one of the

3325
02:18:05,760 --> 02:18:07,840
reasons why I was excited about that

3326
02:18:07,840 --> 02:18:09,920
parcel because there weren't 90

3327
02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:11,840
neighbors living around it. [snorts]

3328
02:18:11,840 --> 02:18:14,080
>> We love the parcel as well. We did. And

3329
02:18:14,080 --> 02:18:16,160
when we came in and met with the realer,

3330
02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:18,000
we initially, our first thought was, "Oh

3331
02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:19,760
my gosh." and how we came in and brought

3332
02:18:19,760 --> 02:18:21,679
it was it was tight. It was tight. And

3333
02:18:21,679 --> 02:18:23,599
the gentleman's I the the neighbor's

3334
02:18:23,599 --> 02:18:25,679
garage was right there and I and forgive

3335
02:18:25,679 --> 02:18:28,000
me not sure which which access point you

3336
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:29,599
access because I know there's on the far

3337
02:18:29,599 --> 02:18:32,240
side there was more of a utility type

3338
02:18:32,240 --> 02:18:36,080
access on the far side but that that for

3339
02:18:36,080 --> 02:18:38,240
us looking at the campground and that

3340
02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:40,399
just didn't seem very very viable for us

3341
02:18:40,399 --> 02:18:42,559
that option to have that. We wanted to

3342
02:18:42,559 --> 02:18:44,399
come in through that one access that

3343
02:18:44,399 --> 02:18:46,240
really bottlenecked and appeared to be a

3344
02:18:46,240 --> 02:18:48,800
big challenge. I wish I had an I I

3345
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:50,399
forgive me this is disrespectful of me

3346
02:18:50,399 --> 02:18:54,880
for not having a map up of that. We had moved on from that property and

3347
02:18:54,880 --> 02:18:56,639
is something we were very excited about

3348
02:18:56,639 --> 02:18:59,519
and unfortunately it fell through.

3349
02:18:59,519 --> 02:19:02,160
>> Okay. Thank you. Any other questions

3350
02:19:02,160 --> 02:19:04,080
before you open it up? Thank you, Scott.

3351
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:05,120
Alex, appreciate you.

3352
02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:07,120
>> Thank you. [clears throat]

3353
02:19:07,120 --> 02:19:09,599
>> All right. Just as a uh just as a

3354
02:19:09,599 --> 02:19:12,639
reminder here folks,

3355
02:19:12,639 --> 02:19:14,559
um just want to make sure that speakers

3356
02:19:14,559 --> 02:19:16,800
that are coming up uh shall direct their

3357
02:19:16,800 --> 02:19:19,679
comments to the board as a whole. Uh not

3358
02:19:19,679 --> 02:19:22,559
any individual members uh any individual

3359
02:19:22,559 --> 02:19:24,559
members of the audience.

3360
02:19:24,559 --> 02:19:26,639
They shall refrain from using any uh

3361
02:19:26,639 --> 02:19:28,240
criticizing

3362
02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:30,399
any individuals or groups using vulgar

3363
02:19:30,399 --> 02:19:32,399
language, rude or threatening language.

3364
02:19:32,399 --> 02:19:34,319
All persons in attendance shall observe

3365
02:19:34,319 --> 02:19:36,399
the board's decorum policy and conduct

3366
02:19:36,399 --> 02:19:38,479
themselves in a professional manner and

3367
02:19:38,479 --> 02:19:41,519
demonstrate respect for others

3368
02:19:41,519 --> 02:19:43,920
and is not disruptive. Applause or

3369
02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:46,399
outburst dur during or after speaker's

3370
02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:48,960
comments is not appropriate and violates

3371
02:19:48,960 --> 02:19:51,439
the board's decorum policy. I'm asking

3372
02:19:51,439 --> 02:19:54,160
you all to please please please follow

3373
02:19:54,160 --> 02:19:56,080
that. We have folks that are here that

3374
02:19:56,080 --> 02:19:58,399
are passionate. And I can tell that

3375
02:19:58,399 --> 02:20:00,880
you're passionate. When I look at the

3376
02:20:00,880 --> 02:20:04,080
number of emails in my inbox for both

3377
02:20:04,080 --> 02:20:06,560
support and opposition, when you total

3378
02:20:06,560 --> 02:20:08,560
them together,

3379
02:20:08,560 --> 02:20:11,760
a majority of us have have spent uh

3380
02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:13,200
three and a half years here, over three

3381
02:20:13,200 --> 02:20:15,359
and a half years. When you look at data

3382
02:20:15,359 --> 02:20:17,359
centers, every housing project that's

3383
02:20:17,359 --> 02:20:20,160
come up, anything that that firearms,

3384
02:20:20,160 --> 02:20:21,920
anything that that just brings people to

3385
02:20:21,920 --> 02:20:24,640
the table, put them all together. It

3386
02:20:24,640 --> 02:20:26,240
still doesn't equal the total number of

3387
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:27,920
emails that we've received both in

3388
02:20:27,920 --> 02:20:30,560
opposition and support for this project.

3389
02:20:30,560 --> 02:20:34,000
So I beg you, please give people the

3390
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:37,280
respect to speak and feel welcome to

3391
02:20:37,280 --> 02:20:39,359
speak at this podium. Please come

3392
02:20:39,359 --> 02:20:47,670
forward when you're willing.

3393
02:20:47,680 --> 02:20:50,240
» Good even [clears throat] Good evening

3394
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:52,160
members of the board. My name is Mor

3395
02:20:52,160 --> 02:20:55,680
Weatherhead. I'm also a paramedic. My

3396
02:20:55,680 --> 02:20:58,640
idea of therapy is my 10 acres out in

3397
02:20:58,640 --> 02:21:01,760
the country that I bought purposely to

3398
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:05,040
have a quiet place where I could retire.

3399
02:21:05,040 --> 02:21:07,439
Our community has now spent eight months

3400
02:21:07,439 --> 02:21:10,000
trapped in this manufactured crisis.

3401
02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:13,040
They've never had a road.

3402
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:15,439
There is no way to make that private

3403
02:21:15,439 --> 02:21:17,200
easement

3404
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:20,319
into a public road. Never in the history

3405
02:21:20,319 --> 02:21:23,439
of Powen County has there been a hostile

3406
02:21:23,439 --> 02:21:28,000
taking of a private deed easement.

3407
02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:29,920
To turn that private easement into a

3408
02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:32,080
state road would require the signatures

3409
02:21:32,080 --> 02:21:35,200
of everyone holding a deed.

3410
02:21:35,200 --> 02:21:37,280
Yeah, the developer owns the underlying

3411
02:21:37,280 --> 02:21:39,120
dirt and sections of the road, but the

3412
02:21:39,120 --> 02:21:41,040
state requires that the whole road be

3413
02:21:41,040 --> 02:21:43,280
dedicated. And owning the underlying

3414
02:21:43,280 --> 02:21:45,120
dirt doesn't take away the rights of the

3415
02:21:45,120 --> 02:21:48,800
deed easement owners.

3416
02:21:48,800 --> 02:21:51,040
That private easement crosses the back

3417
02:21:51,040 --> 02:21:53,359
of my property.

3418
02:21:53,359 --> 02:21:56,800
That 50-foot buffer on my property

3419
02:21:56,800 --> 02:22:00,000
is from 30 years ago.

3420
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:03,680
That same developer who 5 years later

3421
02:22:03,680 --> 02:22:07,040
bought that 711 acres, put that on my

3422
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:08,560
plat.

3423
02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:11,760
It's not even legal. He didn't own that

3424
02:22:11,760 --> 02:22:15,520
road. He couldn't put

3425
02:22:15,520 --> 02:22:17,920
a subject to public dedication on a road

3426
02:22:17,920 --> 02:22:20,399
that he didn't own. Only those people

3427
02:22:20,399 --> 02:22:22,720
living back there could do that. There

3428
02:22:22,720 --> 02:22:24,880
is no signature on my platform from the

3429
02:22:24,880 --> 02:22:26,160
people living back there because they

3430
02:22:26,160 --> 02:22:28,560
didn't sign off on that. That's their

3431
02:22:28,560 --> 02:22:32,640
private easement. Yes, he owns a part of

3432
02:22:32,640 --> 02:22:36,399
that easement as of 2001. My plat was

3433
02:22:36,399 --> 02:22:38,960
written in 1996.

3434
02:22:38,960 --> 02:22:42,560
So tell me how the county plans to take

3435
02:22:42,560 --> 02:22:45,920
our private property to make a public

3436
02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:48,720
road.

3437
02:22:48,720 --> 02:22:51,840
Taking that 50-foot buffer would take

3438
02:22:51,840 --> 02:22:54,319
both me and the fisher property out of a

3439
02:22:54,319 --> 02:22:57,600
egg 10.

3440
02:22:57,600 --> 02:23:00,479
I told Egan all of this at the very

3441
02:23:00,479 --> 02:23:02,560
beginning that there's no way to make

3442
02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:05,680
that road into a state road without all

3443
02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:08,479
of us signing off on it. A 30-year-old

3444
02:23:08,479 --> 02:23:11,680
plat note isn't even valid. It's

3445
02:23:11,680 --> 02:23:14,319
considered vacated. The county has never

3446
02:23:14,319 --> 02:23:16,160
taken care of that road. We've paid the

3447
02:23:16,160 --> 02:23:18,560
taxes on that property. That is our

3448
02:23:18,560 --> 02:23:22,800
property you're talking about taking. So

3449
02:23:22,800 --> 02:23:25,520
I think my property rights and my rights

3450
02:23:25,520 --> 02:23:27,680
to the therapy of living in my house on

3451
02:23:27,680 --> 02:23:31,680
a 10 should certainly supersede an

3452
02:23:31,680 --> 02:23:33,840
incoming commercial venture which

3453
02:23:33,840 --> 02:23:35,760
they've never had the ability to make

3454
02:23:35,760 --> 02:23:38,880
that estate road at any time.

3455
02:23:38,880 --> 02:23:39,520
Thank you.

3456
02:23:39,520 --> 02:23:43,510
>> Thank you.

3457
02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:47,040
» Um Jess Walters and 6075 Captain

3458
02:23:47,040 --> 02:23:48,560
Yansancy Road. I'm actually from Elton,

3459
02:23:48,560 --> 02:23:50,000
but I'm speaking on behalf of a group.

3460
02:23:50,000 --> 02:23:52,000
So, I would ask for all of them to

3461
02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:55,990
stand, please.

3462
02:23:56,000 --> 02:23:58,479
All right. Mr. Chairman and members of

3463
02:23:58,479 --> 02:24:00,399
the board of supervisors, my name is Dr.

3464
02:24:00,399 --> 02:24:02,319
Jess Walters, and while I am a current

3465
02:24:02,319 --> 02:24:04,240
resident of Rockingham County, I grew up

3466
02:24:04,240 --> 02:24:06,240
in Powatan and I am the sole heir to

3467
02:24:06,240 --> 02:24:09,200
both 1033 and 1013 Rocky Ford Road in

3468
02:24:09,200 --> 02:24:11,280
District 4. Furthermore, I'm

3469
02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:13,120
representing each of my family members

3470
02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:14,800
who make up the land owners beyond

3471
02:24:14,800 --> 02:24:17,600
Skippers Creek Bridge on the CCC road.

3472
02:24:17,600 --> 02:24:19,760
First, I would like to thank you all for

3473
02:24:19,760 --> 02:24:21,200
the thorough analysis of all

3474
02:24:21,200 --> 02:24:23,359
contributing factors in this decision.

3475
02:24:23,359 --> 02:24:25,520
Understandably, this is a divisive topic

3476
02:24:25,520 --> 02:24:27,280
that is both emotionally charged and

3477
02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:29,359
controversial, but each factor does hold

3478
02:24:29,359 --> 02:24:31,359
merit. I want to share just a little bit

3479
02:24:31,359 --> 02:24:32,880
about some of the people that this will

3480
02:24:32,880 --> 02:24:35,040
truly affect. The family-owned parcels

3481
02:24:35,040 --> 02:24:36,880
of land accessing this road were

3482
02:24:36,880 --> 02:24:39,200
purchased by my grandfather in the 1930s

3483
02:24:39,200 --> 02:24:40,960
as one of the founding farmers of this

3484
02:24:40,960 --> 02:24:43,200
county. He along with my grandmother and

3485
02:24:43,200 --> 02:24:45,200
their six children operated one of the

3486
02:24:45,200 --> 02:24:47,200
largest dairy farms in Powatan, playing

3487
02:24:47,200 --> 02:24:48,720
a pivotal role in the county's early

3488
02:24:48,720 --> 02:24:51,359
days of agriculture. Not only did he aid

3489
02:24:51,359 --> 02:24:53,120
in the development of this road, he and

3490
02:24:53,120 --> 02:24:56,000
my grandmother wrote the 1985 CCC road

3491
02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:57,760
agreement as a formal agreement between

3492
02:24:57,760 --> 02:24:59,840
each landowner, even though most were

3493
02:24:59,840 --> 02:25:02,240
immediate family. Today, those land

3494
02:25:02,240 --> 02:25:04,160
plots make up a large parcel of property

3495
02:25:04,160 --> 02:25:06,080
belonging to second, third, and fourth

3496
02:25:06,080 --> 02:25:08,240
generations of my family. While my

3497
02:25:08,240 --> 02:25:09,680
family members have spent their lives

3498
02:25:09,680 --> 02:25:11,200
living on and maintaining the

3499
02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:13,439
surrounding land in rural preservation,

3500
02:25:13,439 --> 02:25:15,280
social media supporters of the applicant

3501
02:25:15,280 --> 02:25:17,439
have stated, "People forget they bought

3502
02:25:17,439 --> 02:25:19,439
two acres and want to control 50 more

3503
02:25:19,439 --> 02:25:21,760
around them. Everyone moves to and wants

3504
02:25:21,760 --> 02:25:23,359
the country life until country life

3505
02:25:23,359 --> 02:25:25,439
turns into country life. A bunch of

3506
02:25:25,439 --> 02:25:27,280
suburb people move to the rural counties

3507
02:25:27,280 --> 02:25:28,960
and then want to stop country folks from

3508
02:25:28,960 --> 02:25:31,280
doing country things. Anyone who doesn't

3509
02:25:31,280 --> 02:25:33,120
support this place should move. and

3510
02:25:33,120 --> 02:25:34,880
you're in a state that is eat up with

3511
02:25:34,880 --> 02:25:36,560
mental illness and people that are

3512
02:25:36,560 --> 02:25:39,439
totally Supporters have called

3513
02:25:39,439 --> 02:25:43,040
my aunts Karens, communists, a-holes,

3514
02:25:43,040 --> 02:25:44,640
threatened to mail blast all of the

3515
02:25:44,640 --> 02:25:46,399
major insurance carriers to make them

3516
02:25:46,399 --> 02:25:48,479
aware of EMS constraints on the bridge

3517
02:25:48,479 --> 02:25:50,399
and among others not appropriate to read

3518
02:25:50,399 --> 02:25:52,240
for this audience. My personal favorite

3519
02:25:52,240 --> 02:25:54,080
stated one was an old busy body cat

3520
02:25:54,080 --> 02:25:57,120
lady. Why? For quietly voicing their

3521
02:25:57,120 --> 02:25:58,720
opposition and for posting signs on

3522
02:25:58,720 --> 02:26:00,080
their own property to prevent

3523
02:26:00,080 --> 02:26:02,240
trespassing. Because my family stays

3524
02:26:02,240 --> 02:26:04,479
most mostly quiet on social media, I'd

3525
02:26:04,479 --> 02:26:05,760
like to reiterate the type of people

3526
02:26:05,760 --> 02:26:07,760
that they are. My grandfather was one of

3527
02:26:07,760 --> 02:26:09,439
the most wellrespected members of this

3528
02:26:09,439 --> 02:26:11,200
county, paying for everything in cash or

3529
02:26:11,200 --> 02:26:13,840
an IOU. My mom and aunts are some of the

3530
02:26:13,840 --> 02:26:15,760
most hardworking country women I have

3531
02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:17,840
ever met. They got up every morning at

3532
02:26:17,840 --> 02:26:19,760
3:00 a.m. and milked cows before going

3533
02:26:19,760 --> 02:26:21,760
to schools or their jobs. They worked

3534
02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:23,040
hard to keep this land for their

3535
02:26:23,040 --> 02:26:24,640
children. These women and their

3536
02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:26,319
descendants are all hardworking land

3537
02:26:26,319 --> 02:26:27,920
owners who were not only founding

3538
02:26:27,920 --> 02:26:30,080
farmers of Powatan County, but are those

3539
02:26:30,080 --> 02:26:32,000
who continue to commit their land into

3540
02:26:32,000 --> 02:26:33,600
the rural preservation of Powatan

3541
02:26:33,600 --> 02:26:35,040
through the county's agricultural and

3542
02:26:35,040 --> 02:26:37,439
forestal district program. Each of them

3543
02:26:37,439 --> 02:26:39,200
has contributed taxes and business to

3544
02:26:39,200 --> 02:26:41,200
the county for more than 50 years. My

3545
02:26:41,200 --> 02:26:42,720
cousins and I went to Powatan County

3546
02:26:42,720 --> 02:26:44,240
Public Schools and their children have

3547
02:26:44,240 --> 02:26:46,240
done the same. This family truly

3548
02:26:46,240 --> 02:26:48,000
supports the county and has only wanted

3549
02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:49,359
to live out their lives and raise their

3550
02:26:49,359 --> 02:26:50,800
children and grandchildren on land

3551
02:26:50,800 --> 02:26:52,880
passed down through generations. Now,

3552
02:26:52,880 --> 02:26:54,640
let's discuss the legality here,

3553
02:26:54,640 --> 02:26:56,080
specifically of one of the conditions of

3554
02:26:56,080 --> 02:26:57,840
the cup, the condition to build a public

3555
02:26:57,840 --> 02:26:59,600
road from the terminus of River Estates

3556
02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:02,240
Road to the property while not accessing

3557
02:27:02,240 --> 02:27:06,240
the CCC road. Briefly, the 1985 CCC road

3558
02:27:06,240 --> 02:27:08,160
agreement written by my grandfather was

3559
02:27:08,160 --> 02:27:10,000
signed by all property owners, including

3560
02:27:10,000 --> 02:27:11,920
immediate and extended family as well as

3561
02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:14,479
non-family, stating the easement shall

3562
02:27:14,479 --> 02:27:16,160
run with the land to successors and

3563
02:27:16,160 --> 02:27:18,560
assigns of the parties hereto. This eman

3564
02:27:18,560 --> 02:27:20,160
this easement agreement was notorized

3565
02:27:20,160 --> 02:27:22,720
and filed on record in Powatan County.

3566
02:27:22,720 --> 02:27:25,200
Virginia code 55.1-308

3567
02:27:25,200 --> 02:27:27,040
states that dedication for public use

3568
02:27:27,040 --> 02:27:28,640
may only be obtained with the written

3569
02:27:28,640 --> 02:27:30,960
consent of every holder of any

3570
02:27:30,960 --> 02:27:32,960
restrictive covenant or easement prior

3571
02:27:32,960 --> 02:27:35,040
to making such dedication. According to

3572
02:27:35,040 --> 02:27:36,800
this code and Virginia property law, a

3573
02:27:36,800 --> 02:27:38,960
single lot owner cannot unilaterally

3574
02:27:38,960 --> 02:27:40,640
offer someone else's property rights to

3575
02:27:40,640 --> 02:27:42,640
the county. By definition, easement

3576
02:27:42,640 --> 02:27:44,479
holders hold a protected fractioned

3577
02:27:44,479 --> 02:27:46,720
property interest in the road. Whether

3578
02:27:46,720 --> 02:27:48,399
or not the developer owns property on

3579
02:27:48,399 --> 02:27:50,080
either side of the road or has a buffer

3580
02:27:50,080 --> 02:27:51,840
subject to de public dedication is

3581
02:27:51,840 --> 02:27:54,080
irrelevant. There is no access to the

3582
02:27:54,080 --> 02:27:55,760
property in question without crossing

3583
02:27:55,760 --> 02:27:57,359
the easement affected by this agreement

3584
02:27:57,359 --> 02:27:59,439
in at least two places. The potential

3585
02:27:59,439 --> 02:28:01,359
buffer including the easement which is

3586
02:28:01,359 --> 02:28:03,280
subject public dedication is on the

3587
02:28:03,280 --> 02:28:05,600
left. His property on a narrow strip is

3588
02:28:05,600 --> 02:28:07,920
on the right and the 711 acres in

3589
02:28:07,920 --> 02:28:10,640
question is to the left of the CCC road.

3590
02:28:10,640 --> 02:28:13,120
In 2001, an attempt was made to develop

3591
02:28:13,120 --> 02:28:15,840
the 711 acre piece of property. Noting

3592
02:28:15,840 --> 02:28:17,520
then the need for a public road for

3593
02:28:17,520 --> 02:28:19,680
access. Even with the approval of the

3594
02:28:19,680 --> 02:28:21,840
internal road network, the planning

3595
02:28:21,840 --> 02:28:23,520
commission then recommended deferral of

3596
02:28:23,520 --> 02:28:25,280
the request due to the question legality

3597
02:28:25,280 --> 02:28:27,439
of the rightway. They gave the applicant

3598
02:28:27,439 --> 02:28:29,120
four months to provide time to submit

3599
02:28:29,120 --> 02:28:30,800
verification that the rightway was

3600
02:28:30,800 --> 02:28:33,040
available to improve the road. No other

3601
02:28:33,040 --> 02:28:34,800
continuation or further approval records

3602
02:28:34,800 --> 02:28:36,160
are available and there's no public

3603
02:28:36,160 --> 02:28:38,399
record of resolution. Given the legal

3604
02:28:38,399 --> 02:28:39,600
challenges, the history of the

3605
02:28:39,600 --> 02:28:41,200
surrounding properties, and the detailed

3606
02:28:41,200 --> 02:28:42,960
analysis provided by both the planning

3607
02:28:42,960 --> 02:28:44,560
director and the agricultural and

3608
02:28:44,560 --> 02:28:46,399
forestal district committee, I encourage

3609
02:28:46,399 --> 02:28:47,840
you all to follow the recommendation of

3610
02:28:47,840 --> 02:28:49,040
the planning staff and planning

3611
02:28:49,040 --> 02:28:50,720
commission to deny this conditional use

3612
02:28:50,720 --> 02:28:51,680
permit. Thank you.

3613
02:28:51,680 --> 02:28:58,469
>> Thank you.

3614
02:28:58,479 --> 02:29:00,080
» Uh,

3615
02:29:00,080 --> 02:29:02,880
good evening, Bob Kelly, District 2.

3616
02:29:02,880 --> 02:29:05,680
Good evening, Chairman Dennady and

3617
02:29:05,680 --> 02:29:08,240
Supervisors. I'm here to speak about

3618
02:29:08,240 --> 02:29:10,000
throttle therapy's proposed conditional

3619
02:29:10,000 --> 02:29:12,720
use permit for the motorsports park. I

3620
02:29:12,720 --> 02:29:14,319
am asking that the board follow the

3621
02:29:14,319 --> 02:29:16,000
unanimous recommendation of the planning

3622
02:29:16,000 --> 02:29:18,560
commission and reject this proposal. I

3623
02:29:18,560 --> 02:29:20,479
understand why folks are enthralled by

3624
02:29:20,479 --> 02:29:22,560
throttle therapies marketing. We

3625
02:29:22,560 --> 02:29:24,720
remember our teenage years spent riding

3626
02:29:24,720 --> 02:29:26,800
dirt bikes and ATVs over old dirt roads

3627
02:29:26,800 --> 02:29:28,720
and through sand and gravel pits.

3628
02:29:28,720 --> 02:29:31,520
Today's different. No trespassing signs

3629
02:29:31,520 --> 02:29:32,960
are everywhere and it's tough just to

3630
02:29:32,960 --> 02:29:35,520
find a place to ride. Kids need exciting

3631
02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:37,120
things to do and throttle therapy

3632
02:29:37,120 --> 02:29:39,680
promises that. While that being said,

3633
02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:42,080
throttle therapy is a business. Their

3634
02:29:42,080 --> 02:29:44,080
goal is not to let make life better for

3635
02:29:44,080 --> 02:29:46,640
the people of Powatan. Throttle therapy

3636
02:29:46,640 --> 02:29:48,720
exists to generate maximum profits for

3637
02:29:48,720 --> 02:29:50,399
their owners. They will bring in

3638
02:29:50,399 --> 02:29:52,080
customers from across Virginia and

3639
02:29:52,080 --> 02:29:54,800
neighboring states. Kids from Powatan

3640
02:29:54,800 --> 02:29:56,399
will not be able to just take their dirt

3641
02:29:56,399 --> 02:29:58,720
bikes to Throttle Therapy on a whim and

3642
02:29:58,720 --> 02:30:00,800
ride. They will need to make online

3643
02:30:00,800 --> 02:30:02,880
reservations weeks in advance. And the

3644
02:30:02,880 --> 02:30:04,800
price may be too rich for some of our

3645
02:30:04,800 --> 02:30:07,600
neighbors. Folks coming in from Virginia

3646
02:30:07,600 --> 02:30:10,000
Beach, Stanton, Smith Mountain Lake, or

3647
02:30:10,000 --> 02:30:12,080
Kentucky will bring heavy traffic to

3648
02:30:12,080 --> 02:30:14,080
Rocky Ford Road and to River Estates

3649
02:30:14,080 --> 02:30:16,880
roads. These streets are narrow and

3650
02:30:16,880 --> 02:30:18,800
curvy. They are not built to handle the

3651
02:30:18,800 --> 02:30:20,240
volume of traffic that would come to

3652
02:30:20,240 --> 02:30:22,160
throttle therapy.

3653
02:30:22,160 --> 02:30:24,640
The AFD environmental impact study

3654
02:30:24,640 --> 02:30:26,240
include with the board agenda just

3655
02:30:26,240 --> 02:30:28,240
shows, excuse me, shows just how

3656
02:30:28,240 --> 02:30:30,720
damaging throttle therapies operations

3657
02:30:30,720 --> 02:30:32,800
will be. First, the decibel level from

3658
02:30:32,800 --> 02:30:34,960
all of those bikes and ATVs running at

3659
02:30:34,960 --> 02:30:37,359
the same time will significantly impact

3660
02:30:37,359 --> 02:30:39,439
the quality of life and damage property

3661
02:30:39,439 --> 02:30:41,280
values in the neighborhoods adjacent to

3662
02:30:41,280 --> 02:30:44,080
the park. Second, this will cause

3663
02:30:44,080 --> 02:30:46,560
significant damage to local wildlife,

3664
02:30:46,560 --> 02:30:47,920
especially to the birds that are

3665
02:30:47,920 --> 02:30:51,600
indigenous to the Appamatics Riverbank.

3666
02:30:51,600 --> 02:30:53,680
My late friend Pat Aspenwol was an

3667
02:30:53,680 --> 02:30:56,240
amateur aven photographer. Her home was

3668
02:30:56,240 --> 02:30:58,000
near the property in question and she

3669
02:30:58,000 --> 02:31:00,000
would be shocked that this board would

3670
02:31:00,000 --> 02:31:01,520
even consider a proposal that would

3671
02:31:01,520 --> 02:31:04,319
permanently harm our local environment.

3672
02:31:04,319 --> 02:31:06,960
And then finally, what does Powane get

3673
02:31:06,960 --> 02:31:09,439
out of this? Throttle Therapy will, by

3674
02:31:09,439 --> 02:31:10,800
the nature of their business, require

3675
02:31:10,800 --> 02:31:12,880
more emergency services. Are they're

3676
02:31:12,880 --> 02:31:14,640
offering to pay for road improvements? I

3677
02:31:14,640 --> 02:31:16,960
guess the road up to there they will.

3678
02:31:16,960 --> 02:31:18,479
Are they offering to buy a new fire

3679
02:31:18,479 --> 02:31:20,240
truck, police vehicles, police

3680
02:31:20,240 --> 02:31:24,160
equipment? And finally, just to reflect,

3681
02:31:24,160 --> 02:31:25,840
there's nowhere better to watch a sunset

3682
02:31:25,840 --> 02:31:27,359
than the parking lot of Graceland

3683
02:31:27,359 --> 02:31:29,439
Baptist Church. It's that peaceful

3684
02:31:29,439 --> 02:31:31,439
feeling that I never want to lose.

3685
02:31:31,439 --> 02:31:33,120
Throttle therapy offers too much

3686
02:31:33,120 --> 02:31:34,800
disruption without bringing equivalent

3687
02:31:34,800 --> 02:31:37,280
benefits to the people of Palatan.

3688
02:31:37,280 --> 02:31:39,439
Therefore, I urge you to reject the cup.

3689
02:31:39,439 --> 02:31:47,670
Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Next.

3690
02:31:47,680 --> 02:31:50,479
Good evening, honorable chairman, other

3691
02:31:50,479 --> 02:31:53,040
distinguished members of the board.

3692
02:31:53,040 --> 02:31:55,200
My name is Pete Cy. I live in district 4

3693
02:31:55,200 --> 02:31:58,319
on our family farm at 1687 Capeway Road

3694
02:31:58,319 --> 02:32:00,800
here in Powatan.

3695
02:32:00,800 --> 02:32:04,240
Tonight, I am speaking as a member of

3696
02:32:04,240 --> 02:32:06,240
and on behalf of the board of directors

3697
02:32:06,240 --> 02:32:08,800
of the Powatan County Farm Bureau. And

3698
02:32:08,800 --> 02:32:11,040
at this time, I'd like to read a

3699
02:32:11,040 --> 02:32:14,160
prepared statement.

3700
02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:16,880
With unanimous consent, the board of

3701
02:32:16,880 --> 02:32:18,720
directors of the Palatan County Farm

3702
02:32:18,720 --> 02:32:22,160
Bureau respectfully request that you

3703
02:32:22,160 --> 02:32:26,640
resend ordinance 0202603

3704
02:32:26,640 --> 02:32:28,560
adopted by the Palatan County Board of

3705
02:32:28,560 --> 02:32:32,080
Supervisors in January 26th that amends

3706
02:32:32,080 --> 02:32:37,120
chapter 83 zoning section 83160

3707
02:32:37,120 --> 02:32:41,359
10 section 83 162 conditional uses by

3708
02:32:41,359 --> 02:32:44,800
adding number 61 motorsports park as a

3709
02:32:44,800 --> 02:32:48,479
use allowable by conditional use permit.

3710
02:32:48,479 --> 02:32:50,960
We further note the work on this

3711
02:32:50,960 --> 02:32:52,720
ordinance is not yet complete as

3712
02:32:52,720 --> 02:32:54,640
evidenced by this staff statement as

3713
02:32:54,640 --> 02:32:57,120
follows. And I quote, "Further

3714
02:32:57,120 --> 02:32:58,800
supplemental use regulations and

3715
02:32:58,800 --> 02:33:00,720
performance standards may be developed

3716
02:33:00,720 --> 02:33:03,680
or refined in the future to guide

3717
02:33:03,680 --> 02:33:06,240
expectations related to operational

3718
02:33:06,240 --> 02:33:09,520
impacts and to ensure compatibility with

3719
02:33:09,520 --> 02:33:13,280
surrounding rural properties.

3720
02:33:13,280 --> 02:33:15,760
Additionally, we apart from the

3721
02:33:15,760 --> 02:33:18,479
president of the Powatan Farm Bureau

3722
02:33:18,479 --> 02:33:20,640
request the board of supervisors deny

3723
02:33:20,640 --> 02:33:23,680
approval of the current application 2603

3724
02:33:23,680 --> 02:33:26,479
cup by Throttle Therapy Appamatics River

3725
02:33:26,479 --> 02:33:29,280
LLC for the operation of a motorsports

3726
02:33:29,280 --> 02:33:33,120
park off Rocky Ford Road in District 4.

3727
02:33:33,120 --> 02:33:35,840
The board of the Palatan County Farm

3728
02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:38,960
Bureau hopes you take these two requests

3729
02:33:38,960 --> 02:33:42,800
under consideration and thanks you.

3730
02:33:42,800 --> 02:33:44,720
Now, if I may make a few comments as a

3731
02:33:44,720 --> 02:33:48,640
citizen and a land owner in the county.

3732
02:33:48,640 --> 02:33:50,479
A few years ago, we placed our farm in a

3733
02:33:50,479 --> 02:33:53,439
perpetual conservation easement to

3734
02:33:53,439 --> 02:33:55,760
protect those 250 acres of fields and

3735
02:33:55,760 --> 02:33:58,560
forests from ever being developed. Our

3736
02:33:58,560 --> 02:34:00,000
commitment to keeping Palatan

3737
02:34:00,000 --> 02:34:03,840
agricultural is real. It also formed the

3738
02:34:03,840 --> 02:34:07,760
core of the Rocky Ford Agricultural and

3739
02:34:07,760 --> 02:34:09,439
Forestal [clears throat] District.

3740
02:34:09,439 --> 02:34:11,439
Having said that, I have no personal

3741
02:34:11,439 --> 02:34:13,680
aversion to motorcycles. I've owned

3742
02:34:13,680 --> 02:34:16,160
four. I even rode one to California and

3743
02:34:16,160 --> 02:34:19,280
back when I was in my 20s. I get it.

3744
02:34:19,280 --> 02:34:22,160
It's fun. It's thrilling even. I also

3745
02:34:22,160 --> 02:34:24,080
think four-wheelers have a place in

3746
02:34:24,080 --> 02:34:25,600
agricultural settings. They're

3747
02:34:25,600 --> 02:34:27,520
invaluable and checking miles of pasture

3748
02:34:27,520 --> 02:34:29,760
fence or transporting harvested deer

3749
02:34:29,760 --> 02:34:32,319
home over long distances. I agree.

3750
02:34:32,319 --> 02:34:34,160
Riding around outdoors is a great way to

3751
02:34:34,160 --> 02:34:36,319
get kids off screens and into something

3752
02:34:36,319 --> 02:34:38,880
they can enjoy with their siblings. and

3753
02:34:38,880 --> 02:34:41,520
parents. But let's not kid ourselves.

3754
02:34:41,520 --> 02:34:43,359
This proposed venture is a commercial

3755
02:34:43,359 --> 02:34:45,439
operation owned and managed by

3756
02:34:45,439 --> 02:34:47,520
non-county residents. This is not a

3757
02:34:47,520 --> 02:34:49,760
casual ride around the property of mom

3758
02:34:49,760 --> 02:34:52,399
or dad or your grandparents. And this is

3759
02:34:52,399 --> 02:34:54,720
a terrible location for this venture.

3760
02:34:54,720 --> 02:34:56,720
The environment, the wildlife, and the

3761
02:34:56,720 --> 02:34:57,840
homeowners in the surrounding

3762
02:34:57,840 --> 02:35:00,160
neighborhoods just did not sign up for

3763
02:35:00,160 --> 02:35:02,560
this. Thank you.

3764
02:35:02,560 --> 02:35:04,382
>> Thank you.

3765
02:35:04,382 --> 02:35:05,920
[clears throat]

3766
02:35:05,920 --> 02:35:10,790
Can I limit the applause, please?

3767
02:35:10,800 --> 02:35:14,479
April, May, 3571 Pine View Drive. The

3768
02:35:14,479 --> 02:35:16,000
one lady hit a lot of what I was going

3769
02:35:16,000 --> 02:35:18,960
to say. They did a noise cuz that has

3770
02:35:18,960 --> 02:35:20,560
been a big issue with the residents

3771
02:35:20,560 --> 02:35:22,640
around and I don't fit in their little

3772
02:35:22,640 --> 02:35:25,359
speck bubble, but on my back porch I

3773
02:35:25,359 --> 02:35:30,240
could hear the noise. Um the planning

3774
02:35:30,240 --> 02:35:32,319
commission they did an acoustical study

3775
02:35:32,319 --> 02:35:36,240
and as uh on page 239 of the cup it says

3776
02:35:36,240 --> 02:35:38,080
acoustical study did not use lab

3777
02:35:38,080 --> 02:35:40,399
calibrated acoustical equipment and were

3778
02:35:40,399 --> 02:35:42,800
not intended to establish compliance and

3779
02:35:42,800 --> 02:35:45,120
or non-compliance with county's noise

3780
02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:47,680
ordinance. Planning director also stated

3781
02:35:47,680 --> 02:35:50,240
this was during summer foliage in a

3782
02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:51,680
single visit and should not be

3783
02:35:51,680 --> 02:35:54,000
interpretive as a predictive of future

3784
02:35:54,000 --> 02:35:56,000
conditions under different seasons,

3785
02:35:56,000 --> 02:35:58,640
writer volume, or operational

3786
02:35:58,640 --> 02:36:00,240
circumstances.

3787
02:36:00,240 --> 02:36:02,319
They stated they had 50 to 60 riders

3788
02:36:02,319 --> 02:36:04,960
that day. They're looking up to up to

3789
02:36:04,960 --> 02:36:09,359
150 riders on their day visits. Um, when

3790
02:36:09,359 --> 02:36:11,840
the planning commission asked Throttle

3791
02:36:11,840 --> 02:36:13,840
Therapy how they were going to staff

3792
02:36:13,840 --> 02:36:16,880
this, uh, neither owner of Throttle

3793
02:36:16,880 --> 02:36:19,200
Therapy had any ideas on the staffing of

3794
02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:21,600
this business. Um, at the planning

3795
02:36:21,600 --> 02:36:23,920
commission meeting when asked the cup on

3796
02:36:23,920 --> 02:36:27,040
page 214 states at a minimum there's one

3797
02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:30,800
manager on site during business hours.

3798
02:36:30,800 --> 02:36:33,840
From his Facebook post, it will be

3799
02:36:33,840 --> 02:36:36,240
online memberships and reservations. So,

3800
02:36:36,240 --> 02:36:38,560
in my hands, it looks like off-site

3801
02:36:38,560 --> 02:36:40,399
management

3802
02:36:40,399 --> 02:36:43,120
from while they live in Maryland. They

3803
02:36:43,120 --> 02:36:46,000
still in the CPU talks about dry camping

3804
02:36:46,000 --> 02:36:48,240
and portaotties. So, does that mean

3805
02:36:48,240 --> 02:36:49,520
staffing is going to have to stay

3806
02:36:49,520 --> 02:36:51,359
overnight with these dry campers to make

3807
02:36:51,359 --> 02:36:53,200
sure nobody's trespassing on other

3808
02:36:53,200 --> 02:36:56,160
people's property that surround and how

3809
02:36:56,160 --> 02:36:58,800
waste and

3810
02:36:58,800 --> 02:37:00,640
water issues are going to be disposed

3811
02:37:00,640 --> 02:37:02,640
of? Is there going to be monitoring of

3812
02:37:02,640 --> 02:37:04,479
that? The creek that runs underneath the

3813
02:37:04,479 --> 02:37:06,560
bridge runs through my property and we

3814
02:37:06,560 --> 02:37:08,720
were all on wells. So, what happens when

3815
02:37:08,720 --> 02:37:10,479
something a spill happens? Who's going

3816
02:37:10,479 --> 02:37:12,640
to clean that up? Are they responsible?

3817
02:37:12,640 --> 02:37:15,680
Is the county responsible? Um, I am a

3818
02:37:15,680 --> 02:37:17,760
business owner. I'm a hairdresser.

3819
02:37:17,760 --> 02:37:20,080
Services in the state are not taxed. You

3820
02:37:20,080 --> 02:37:23,600
don't pay sales tax per visit on a

3821
02:37:23,600 --> 02:37:25,600
service that you provide. How is the

3822
02:37:25,600 --> 02:37:27,280
taxing on this? How's the county going

3823
02:37:27,280 --> 02:37:29,520
to make money in order to support all

3824
02:37:29,520 --> 02:37:36,070
the stress on EMS and fire? Um,

3825
02:37:36,080 --> 02:37:38,000
how's the county planning on making this

3826
02:37:38,000 --> 02:37:39,920
a public road? Are we going to

3827
02:37:39,920 --> 02:37:42,479
confiscate private citizens property? I

3828
02:37:42,479 --> 02:37:44,720
don't believe that that's how we run

3829
02:37:44,720 --> 02:37:49,040
this country. Um,

3830
02:37:49,040 --> 02:37:51,200
and the cup is only for 5 years. I know

3831
02:37:51,200 --> 02:37:53,760
the land owner has tried to develop this

3832
02:37:53,760 --> 02:37:57,439
in the past for neighborhoods and that's

3833
02:37:57,439 --> 02:37:59,439
been posted multiple times, but you have

3834
02:37:59,439 --> 02:38:02,240
one access in, one access out, and it's

3835
02:38:02,240 --> 02:38:04,160
private roads. And unless you confiscate

3836
02:38:04,160 --> 02:38:06,560
somebody's personal property to do that,

3837
02:38:06,560 --> 02:38:08,319
I don't see how this is a viable

3838
02:38:08,319 --> 02:38:09,920
business.

3839
02:38:09,920 --> 02:38:14,950
>> Thank you.

3840
02:38:14,960 --> 02:38:18,800
» Hey guys. Um, Sheenar Connor is I'm from

3841
02:38:18,800 --> 02:38:21,359
voting district 63. Actually, I I drove

3842
02:38:21,359 --> 02:38:23,200
down from Stafford just to come to this

3843
02:38:23,200 --> 02:38:27,120
meeting. So, because obviously I brought

3844
02:38:27,120 --> 02:38:29,439
the stuff, if you could pretend this is

3845
02:38:29,439 --> 02:38:31,040
a motorcycle helmet, but pretend it's an

3846
02:38:31,040 --> 02:38:33,840
ATV helmet cuz I was my family was

3847
02:38:33,840 --> 02:38:36,640
riding ATVs up in actually Maryland this

3848
02:38:36,640 --> 02:38:38,479
past weekend at my wife's parents house.

3849
02:38:38,479 --> 02:38:40,399
Anyway, and look, some people made some

3850
02:38:40,399 --> 02:38:42,000
really good arguments. I go to a lot of

3851
02:38:42,000 --> 02:38:43,760
these board meetings up in Stafford. You

3852
02:38:43,760 --> 02:38:46,080
guys should all be glad. Um Stafford,

3853
02:38:46,080 --> 02:38:47,760
Spennsylvania, they're crazy. It's like

3854
02:38:47,760 --> 02:38:50,080
Jerry Springer board meetings. So, be

3855
02:38:50,080 --> 02:38:51,680
glad that it's not like that here, okay?

3856
02:38:51,680 --> 02:38:54,399
It's you guys are cool. Um, but I mean,

3857
02:38:54,399 --> 02:38:56,640
they got like pride parades with drag

3858
02:38:56,640 --> 02:38:58,479
queens twerking on kids for money. Like,

3859
02:38:58,479 --> 02:39:01,680
it's it's nuts, okay? It's crazy. So,

3860
02:39:01,680 --> 02:39:04,399
I'd love to come down here and I don't

3861
02:39:04,399 --> 02:39:05,520
know how you going to work this out.

3862
02:39:05,520 --> 02:39:07,439
Like, the road thing, that's a big deal.

3863
02:39:07,439 --> 02:39:09,359
Like, you know, obviously you don't

3864
02:39:09,359 --> 02:39:10,880
steal people's private property. That'd

3865
02:39:10,880 --> 02:39:13,439
be stupid. But, so I'm really all about

3866
02:39:13,439 --> 02:39:16,080
freedom. Um, you might have maybe you

3867
02:39:16,080 --> 02:39:17,680
guys have heard my name Shamgar Connor

3868
02:39:17,680 --> 02:39:20,000
since it's a one in the world. Shamgar

3869
02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:21,520
is a Bible name. Anyway, I got kicked

3870
02:39:21,520 --> 02:39:23,680
off the kidney transplant list at UVA

3871
02:39:23,680 --> 02:39:25,760
because I didn't get the COVID vaccine.

3872
02:39:25,760 --> 02:39:27,680
And then after that, I got like stalked

3873
02:39:27,680 --> 02:39:29,600
by all these like crazy lunatics that

3874
02:39:29,600 --> 02:39:31,280
were like I'm they they said I should

3875
02:39:31,280 --> 02:39:33,040
die and my kids should die, my wife

3876
02:39:33,040 --> 02:39:35,040
should die, and then like it was nuts.

3877
02:39:35,040 --> 02:39:36,960
Crazy, right? But so I'm all about

3878
02:39:36,960 --> 02:39:38,319
freedom. I just want people to have

3879
02:39:38,319 --> 02:39:39,760
freedom to do what they want. And I

3880
02:39:39,760 --> 02:39:41,920
think if you guys could work it out,

3881
02:39:41,920 --> 02:39:43,359
this would be awesome. I mean, I'd love

3882
02:39:43,359 --> 02:39:44,479
to come down here all the time. I mean,

3883
02:39:44,479 --> 02:39:45,760
I drove it down took me an hour and a

3884
02:39:45,760 --> 02:39:47,359
half just to get here today just to talk

3885
02:39:47,359 --> 02:39:49,520
about this, but I mean, [clears throat]

3886
02:39:49,520 --> 02:39:50,880
we've been doing this kind of stuff our

3887
02:39:50,880 --> 02:39:52,240
whole lives. I'll tell you a cool story.

3888
02:39:52,240 --> 02:39:55,439
Um, we had um like you know those Power

3889
02:39:55,439 --> 02:39:58,240
Wheels things. So, I modified my kids my

3890
02:39:58,240 --> 02:40:00,160
son's Power Wheels when he was was 3

3891
02:40:00,160 --> 02:40:02,479
years old and I put two giant lawnmower

3892
02:40:02,479 --> 02:40:04,399
batteries in it and crosswired it so it

3893
02:40:04,399 --> 02:40:06,880
was 24 volts. So, there he is. He's like

3894
02:40:06,880 --> 02:40:08,800
3 years old

3895
02:40:08,800 --> 02:40:10,640
like hold on and I'm running after him

3896
02:40:10,640 --> 02:40:12,080
full speed. I can't catch him. And he's

3897
02:40:12,080 --> 02:40:13,359
riding all around the yard. We got three

3898
02:40:13,359 --> 02:40:15,359
acres of land. And it was awesome,

3899
02:40:15,359 --> 02:40:16,720
right? And I'm I'm screaming. Hey, get

3900
02:40:16,720 --> 02:40:18,640
back here. Don't worry. Ah, these, you

3901
02:40:18,640 --> 02:40:20,479
know, but and this was his helmet. Look

3902
02:40:20,479 --> 02:40:21,520
at this. I mean, that's pretty cool,

3903
02:40:21,520 --> 02:40:23,439
right? Look at that. Mohawk riding

3904
02:40:23,439 --> 02:40:25,840
around like crazy having fun. Like those

3905
02:40:25,840 --> 02:40:27,280
are the kind of memories that you love

3906
02:40:27,280 --> 02:40:28,319
to make. I really think if you guys

3907
02:40:28,319 --> 02:40:29,920
could work something out where you guys

3908
02:40:29,920 --> 02:40:32,080
get this going, like you guys could have

3909
02:40:32,080 --> 02:40:33,760
a lot. You could build your whole town

3910
02:40:33,760 --> 02:40:36,080
like around this in a positive way. You

3911
02:40:36,080 --> 02:40:39,040
know, we I was up at Stafford and then

3912
02:40:39,040 --> 02:40:42,160
they didn't want Bies built there and I wore a BES costume and I went

3913
02:40:42,160 --> 02:40:43,600
there and I did a taste test on the

3914
02:40:43,600 --> 02:40:45,280
microphone at the board meeting. I

3915
02:40:45,280 --> 02:40:47,280
started eating. I'm like, "Oh, it's

3916
02:40:47,280 --> 02:40:50,800
yummy." Right? And then they approved the thing. It was pretty

3917
02:40:50,800 --> 02:40:52,960
funny, right? I mean, but the point was

3918
02:40:52,960 --> 02:40:55,280
it was just to say, "Yeah, I think it's

3919
02:40:55,280 --> 02:40:56,880
cool. If you guys can work things out to

3920
02:40:56,880 --> 02:40:58,800
bring a business, they eventually

3921
02:40:58,800 --> 02:40:59,760
obviously you're going to make money.

3922
02:40:59,760 --> 02:41:01,520
You bring people here. I know. I guess

3923
02:41:01,520 --> 02:41:02,560
there's no lodging. I don't even know

3924
02:41:02,560 --> 02:41:04,240
that. That's crazy. But I mean, maybe

3925
02:41:04,240 --> 02:41:06,000
they'll build some. You never know,

3926
02:41:06,000 --> 02:41:07,680
right? So, I think it's awesome. So,

3927
02:41:07,680 --> 02:41:09,920
look, let me put on this helmet to for

3928
02:41:09,920 --> 02:41:12,720
like for purpose of the video. Look. All

3929
02:41:12,720 --> 02:41:15,840
right. Ready? There. I'm ready. Ready.

3930
02:41:15,840 --> 02:41:19,200
Okay. Start your engines. Wait. Let's go

3931
02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:22,720
get some throttle therapy.

3932
02:41:22,720 --> 02:41:24,800
There we go.

3933
02:41:24,800 --> 02:41:42,150
>> Thank you. Boom. Boom.

3934
02:41:42,160 --> 02:41:45,120
Good evening. My name is Monica Gallier

3935
02:41:45,120 --> 02:41:48,880
and I live at 920 Rocky Ford Road, right

3936
02:41:48,880 --> 02:41:51,920
up the road from River Estates, right up

3937
02:41:51,920 --> 02:41:54,720
the road from Orthod Throttle Therapy.

3938
02:41:54,720 --> 02:41:57,920
Hopefully will be. I support it first

3939
02:41:57,920 --> 02:42:00,880
and foremost. I want that to be known.

3940
02:42:00,880 --> 02:42:02,720
Sorry I didn't have time to dress up or

3941
02:42:02,720 --> 02:42:04,640
change. My husband and I drove in from

3942
02:42:04,640 --> 02:42:07,040
West Virginia today where we went to

3943
02:42:07,040 --> 02:42:10,319
drive our side by side.

3944
02:42:10,319 --> 02:42:11,840
A lot of people out here, a lot of

3945
02:42:11,840 --> 02:42:12,880
people online, a lot of people

3946
02:42:12,880 --> 02:42:14,560
everywhere talking about how this

3947
02:42:14,560 --> 02:42:17,120
impacts the animals,

3948
02:42:17,120 --> 02:42:19,840
the wildlife.

3949
02:42:19,840 --> 02:42:22,000
While we were driving

3950
02:42:22,000 --> 02:42:25,359
in West Virginia, Virginia, and Kentucky

3951
02:42:25,359 --> 02:42:29,760
this past weekend, we saw wild horses

3952
02:42:29,760 --> 02:42:32,640
who would run up to our side by sides,

3953
02:42:32,640 --> 02:42:34,560
follow us,

3954
02:42:34,560 --> 02:42:37,520
so we would stop,

3955
02:42:37,520 --> 02:42:39,439
licking my machine, sticking their heads

3956
02:42:39,439 --> 02:42:42,399
in the my machine, wanting to come with

3957
02:42:42,399 --> 02:42:45,359
us in our machine.

3958
02:42:45,359 --> 02:42:48,080
Not afraid of them. They heard us

3959
02:42:48,080 --> 02:42:50,640
coming. They wanted to see us. We wanted

3960
02:42:50,640 --> 02:42:54,160
to see them, too, because it was fun.

3961
02:42:54,160 --> 02:42:56,720
So, saying that the wild animals will be

3962
02:42:56,720 --> 02:42:59,280
affected

3963
02:42:59,280 --> 02:43:02,160
is not 100% true.

3964
02:43:02,160 --> 02:43:04,640
My husband and I bought our property in

3965
02:43:04,640 --> 02:43:06,240
1998.

3966
02:43:06,240 --> 02:43:09,680
We built our home with our own hands. We

3967
02:43:09,680 --> 02:43:12,399
own both of the both sides of the

3968
02:43:12,399 --> 02:43:14,560
property of Grace Church on Rocky Ford

3969
02:43:14,560 --> 02:43:19,910
Road and behind it.

3970
02:43:19,920 --> 02:43:23,120
I support it. I live on Rocky Ford Road.

3971
02:43:23,120 --> 02:43:25,040
I have shown my support by speaking

3972
02:43:25,040 --> 02:43:27,040
about this. I have shown my support by

3973
02:43:27,040 --> 02:43:29,040
showing up to the community meetings,

3974
02:43:29,040 --> 02:43:31,040
the planning commission meetings,

3975
02:43:31,040 --> 02:43:34,560
posting signs on my property supporting

3976
02:43:34,560 --> 02:43:37,600
this. Soon as I put the signs up on my

3977
02:43:37,600 --> 02:43:40,080
property, someone called Palatan

3978
02:43:40,080 --> 02:43:42,240
Historical Society, Grace Church is

3979
02:43:42,240 --> 02:43:45,840
owned by the Palatan Historical Society.

3980
02:43:45,840 --> 02:43:48,800
Someone said those signs were on Grace

3981
02:43:48,800 --> 02:43:50,560
property. They were in front of the

3982
02:43:50,560 --> 02:43:52,560
church.

3983
02:43:52,560 --> 02:43:56,950
They weren't. That was a lie.

3984
02:43:56,960 --> 02:44:00,399
Those signs were on my property.

3985
02:44:00,399 --> 02:44:02,800
There have been

3986
02:44:02,800 --> 02:44:05,840
horrible things said by people on both

3987
02:44:05,840 --> 02:44:10,630
sides.

3988
02:44:10,640 --> 02:44:14,000
People who are opposed of this,

3989
02:44:14,000 --> 02:44:15,439
they try to put themselves in the high

3990
02:44:15,439 --> 02:44:17,680
ground. They've said some awful things

3991
02:44:17,680 --> 02:44:19,760
online also.

3992
02:44:19,760 --> 02:44:24,160
They've said hurtful, threatening, mean,

3993
02:44:24,160 --> 02:44:27,520
degrading, bullying things. Both sides

3994
02:44:27,520 --> 02:44:31,040
have. And that's not right.

3995
02:44:31,040 --> 02:44:35,600
But no one from the supporting side that

3996
02:44:35,600 --> 02:44:38,399
I know of, and I've talked to people,

3997
02:44:38,399 --> 02:44:40,240
have trespassed on someone's private

3998
02:44:40,240 --> 02:44:47,110
property and stole the signs.

3999
02:44:47,120 --> 02:44:49,359
I have more, but I don't have time.

4000
02:44:49,359 --> 02:44:55,670
>> Thank you.

4001
02:44:55,680 --> 02:44:57,040
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen of

4002
02:44:57,040 --> 02:44:59,520
the board.

4003
02:44:59,520 --> 02:45:02,160
Let's get to my notes here.

4004
02:45:02,160 --> 02:45:03,279
Want to thank you for your time and

4005
02:45:03,279 --> 02:45:04,880
service to our county. I'm Luke Huddle,

4006
02:45:04,880 --> 02:45:08,080
District 2. This application has become

4007
02:45:08,080 --> 02:45:09,760
one of the most discussed issues here in

4008
02:45:09,760 --> 02:45:11,760
Powatan.

4009
02:45:11,760 --> 02:45:13,600
And while there's disagreement, there's

4010
02:45:13,600 --> 02:45:16,080
also real common ground.

4011
02:45:16,080 --> 02:45:18,160
What I've repeatedly what I've heard

4012
02:45:18,160 --> 02:45:20,000
repeatedly is that many people,

4013
02:45:20,000 --> 02:45:22,399
including some who oppose the location,

4014
02:45:22,399 --> 02:45:24,080
actually support the idea of a

4015
02:45:24,080 --> 02:45:27,680
motorsports park here in the county. If

4016
02:45:27,680 --> 02:45:29,120
we could take a simple show of hands

4017
02:45:29,120 --> 02:45:30,560
tonight, I believe you'd see how many of

4018
02:45:30,560 --> 02:45:33,520
us on both sides truly support the idea

4019
02:45:33,520 --> 02:45:36,960
in this county in the right location.

4020
02:45:36,960 --> 02:45:39,040
County staff has worked closely with the

4021
02:45:39,040 --> 02:45:40,640
applicant to create a thorough set of

4022
02:45:40,640 --> 02:45:42,560
conditions that protect public health,

4023
02:45:42,560 --> 02:45:44,960
safety, and welfare. staff has noted the

4024
02:45:44,960 --> 02:45:46,399
applicant's willingness to collaborate

4025
02:45:46,399 --> 02:45:48,960
and adjust. I can personally confirm

4026
02:45:48,960 --> 02:45:51,600
that. I've worked directly with the

4027
02:45:51,600 --> 02:45:54,479
applicant to address my own concerns and

4028
02:45:54,479 --> 02:45:56,560
concerns raised by others. If you

4029
02:45:56,560 --> 02:45:58,160
approve this application, I'm confident

4030
02:45:58,160 --> 02:45:59,760
that the applicant will continue working

4031
02:45:59,760 --> 02:46:01,520
with neighbors, outside agencies in the

4032
02:46:01,520 --> 02:46:03,439
county to ensure this park operates

4033
02:46:03,439 --> 02:46:06,880
responsibly under the conditions set.

4034
02:46:06,880 --> 02:46:08,640
Because most opposition centers on

4035
02:46:08,640 --> 02:46:10,720
location, I've looked for alternate

4036
02:46:10,720 --> 02:46:13,359
large parcels across Powatan.

4037
02:46:13,359 --> 02:46:15,040
I did not find one more balanced than

4038
02:46:15,040 --> 02:46:17,680
this property. It was recently logged,

4039
02:46:17,680 --> 02:46:19,359
meaning the ecosystem has already been

4040
02:46:19,359 --> 02:46:21,120
disturbed.

4041
02:46:21,120 --> 02:46:23,359
And a supervised maintained park could

4042
02:46:23,359 --> 02:46:24,880
actually help stabilize it as it

4043
02:46:24,880 --> 02:46:27,439
regrows. There are about 16 homes within

4044
02:46:27,439 --> 02:46:30,240
a onem radius of the activity area. For

4045
02:46:30,240 --> 02:46:31,840
comparison, there was a motocross track

4046
02:46:31,840 --> 02:46:33,680
that operated here in the late 90s and

4047
02:46:33,680 --> 02:46:35,279
2000s.

4048
02:46:35,279 --> 02:46:37,279
That's where I grew up riding. It had

4049
02:46:37,279 --> 02:46:41,520
more than 220 homes in the same radius.

4050
02:46:41,520 --> 02:46:44,640
With similar hours and a far higher bike

4051
02:46:44,640 --> 02:46:46,800
per acre density,

4052
02:46:46,800 --> 02:46:48,560
this property is large enough to spread

4053
02:46:48,560 --> 02:46:51,040
riders out, reducing density and

4054
02:46:51,040 --> 02:46:53,600
lowering the impact on the neighbors. In

4055
02:46:53,600 --> 02:46:55,120
recent months, you've approved a senior

4056
02:46:55,120 --> 02:46:57,040
care facility, zoning for a data center,

4057
02:46:57,040 --> 02:46:59,120
a highdensity multi-use development, and

4058
02:46:59,120 --> 02:47:00,479
you're considering a possible tax

4059
02:47:00,479 --> 02:47:02,319
increase coming up.

4060
02:47:02,319 --> 02:47:04,240
You've taken steps to support revenue

4061
02:47:04,240 --> 02:47:06,000
growth in our aging population which

4062
02:47:06,000 --> 02:47:09,120
matters. But that population resents,

4063
02:47:09,120 --> 02:47:10,640
excuse me, represents less than half of

4064
02:47:10,640 --> 02:47:13,600
Palatan. Tonight is an opportunity to do

4065
02:47:13,600 --> 02:47:14,960
something meaningful for the younger

4066
02:47:14,960 --> 02:47:16,560
generation,

4067
02:47:16,560 --> 02:47:18,960
something not driven by revenue,

4068
02:47:18,960 --> 02:47:20,800
something the broader community and our

4069
02:47:20,800 --> 02:47:23,359
guests can actually enjoy.

4070
02:47:23,359 --> 02:47:24,880
And this proposal goes beyond

4071
02:47:24,880 --> 02:47:27,439
motorsports. The applicant plans hiking

4072
02:47:27,439 --> 02:47:29,200
and biking trails to meet the

4073
02:47:29,200 --> 02:47:30,960
comprehensive plan's goal of providing

4074
02:47:30,960 --> 02:47:32,960
public access to the Appamatic River as

4075
02:47:32,960 --> 02:47:34,880
well. I believe they will continue

4076
02:47:34,880 --> 02:47:36,720
expanding low impact outdoor recreation

4077
02:47:36,720 --> 02:47:38,319
that appeals to families, young people,

4078
02:47:38,319 --> 02:47:40,080
and everyday residents who simply want

4079
02:47:40,080 --> 02:47:42,800
more ways to enjoy the outdoors. You

4080
02:47:42,800 --> 02:47:44,560
have a real opportunity in front of you.

4081
02:47:44,560 --> 02:47:46,160
The applicant is willing to work with

4082
02:47:46,160 --> 02:47:48,560
us. We simply need to be willing to work

4083
02:47:48,560 --> 02:47:51,359
with them. I respectfully urge you to

4084
02:47:51,359 --> 02:47:53,120
vote yes on this application. Thank you

4085
02:47:53,120 --> 02:47:53,920
for your time.

4086
02:47:53,920 --> 02:47:58,710
>> Thank you.

4087
02:47:58,720 --> 02:48:00,800
Good evening board. My name is Matt

4088
02:48:00,800 --> 02:48:03,359
Stevens, 311 Timber Trace Court,

4089
02:48:03,359 --> 02:48:05,600
Powatan.

4090
02:48:05,600 --> 02:48:08,000
I'm here to say that I fully support the

4091
02:48:08,000 --> 02:48:10,080
recommendation to deny the CUP

4092
02:48:10,080 --> 02:48:11,760
application for the reasons that have

4093
02:48:11,760 --> 02:48:13,680
already been stated. Thank you very

4094
02:48:13,680 --> 02:48:14,640
much.

4095
02:48:14,640 --> 02:48:17,830
>> Thank you.

4096
02:48:17,840 --> 02:48:20,160
» Hello, my name is Carl Schwenderman. Um,

4097
02:48:20,160 --> 02:48:22,479
I think Powatan County should use this

4098
02:48:22,479 --> 02:48:25,920
be this uh resoning to um ask that they

4099
02:48:25,920 --> 02:48:28,399
extend the pros bicycle trail along. You

4100
02:48:28,399 --> 02:48:29,680
know the the flood how you have the

4101
02:48:29,680 --> 02:48:31,600
flood plane along the Appamax River

4102
02:48:31,600 --> 02:48:33,439
that's 2 and a half miles long and then

4103
02:48:33,439 --> 02:48:35,840
you have the the main land. Could Powan

4104
02:48:35,840 --> 02:48:38,479
County ask them to extend the proposed

4105
02:48:38,479 --> 02:48:40,640
bike trail along the edge of the flood

4106
02:48:40,640 --> 02:48:42,640
plane along the Appamatics River for 2

4107
02:48:42,640 --> 02:48:45,200
and a half miles? Because Powan County

4108
02:48:45,200 --> 02:48:47,760
would Poutan County should use this as a

4109
02:48:47,760 --> 02:48:49,840
chance to have a 2 and a half mile long

4110
02:48:49,840 --> 02:48:52,479
bike trail and side and a pedestrian

4111
02:48:52,479 --> 02:48:54,640
trail along the edge of the Appamatics

4112
02:48:54,640 --> 02:48:56,160
and then they could extend it to the

4113
02:48:56,160 --> 02:48:59,359
Fighting Creek Park trail system. So I

4114
02:48:59,359 --> 02:49:02,000
think that Powen County should use this

4115
02:49:02,000 --> 02:49:05,760
chance to uh get a profer to ask for an

4116
02:49:05,760 --> 02:49:08,399
ease like a a small easement like 8 foot

4117
02:49:08,399 --> 02:49:10,560
wide easement or a a 20 foot wide

4118
02:49:10,560 --> 02:49:11,760
easement along the edge of the

4119
02:49:11,760 --> 02:49:15,520
Appamatics River flood plane for a trail

4120
02:49:15,520 --> 02:49:21,132
to go from a Millor road to um the to

4121
02:49:21,132 --> 02:49:23,040
[clears throat] um

4122
02:49:23,040 --> 02:49:24,880
Rocky Ford Road because next to Rocky

4123
02:49:24,880 --> 02:49:27,279
Ford Road at the Appamatics River

4124
02:49:27,279 --> 02:49:29,359
crossing there's 100 acres owned by

4125
02:49:29,359 --> 02:49:32,880
Chesterfield County. So, this would be a

4126
02:49:32,880 --> 02:49:34,800
great way to get a beautiful o to open

4127
02:49:34,800 --> 02:49:38,240
up the Appamatics River by asking for a

4128
02:49:38,240 --> 02:49:39,840
section of the Fighting Creek Park trail

4129
02:49:39,840 --> 02:49:41,840
system along the edge of the Appmax

4130
02:49:41,840 --> 02:49:43,760
River.

4131
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:47,429
Thank you.

4132
02:49:47,439 --> 02:49:51,040
» Hi, my name is Donald May. at 3571 Pine

4133
02:49:51,040 --> 02:49:53,439
View Drive about a mile and a half as

4134
02:49:53,439 --> 02:49:56,319
the crow flies from Throttle Therapy's

4135
02:49:56,319 --> 02:49:58,399
proposed site. That dude, that other

4136
02:49:58,399 --> 02:49:59,920
dude was awesome. That's all I got to

4137
02:49:59,920 --> 02:50:03,439
say. My god, he was funny. I've lived on

4138
02:50:03,439 --> 02:50:06,000
my 10 acres for over 15 years and I feel

4139
02:50:06,000 --> 02:50:08,240
content and hopefully a little solid as

4140
02:50:08,240 --> 02:50:10,319
a solid member of the community. That

4141
02:50:10,319 --> 02:50:12,880
being said, pales in comparison with the

4142
02:50:12,880 --> 02:50:15,279
family, farmers, and residents that have

4143
02:50:15,279 --> 02:50:18,240
lived in this area for generations. They

4144
02:50:18,240 --> 02:50:20,399
had children born, families grow, and

4145
02:50:20,399 --> 02:50:22,640
family members die in these homesteads.

4146
02:50:22,640 --> 02:50:25,279
All the while being great stewards of

4147
02:50:25,279 --> 02:50:28,319
this land that surrounds them. Listen to

4148
02:50:28,319 --> 02:50:31,520
these folks who have lived there. They

4149
02:50:31,520 --> 02:50:33,279
all want what's good for the community.

4150
02:50:33,279 --> 02:50:35,680
Throttle Therapy Group lives, this is

4151
02:50:35,680 --> 02:50:37,680
honest, they live in Annapolis,

4152
02:50:37,680 --> 02:50:39,920
Maryland. And I would argue that the

4153
02:50:39,920 --> 02:50:42,240
endeavor they are pursuing would need

4154
02:50:42,240 --> 02:50:44,240
daily attention and management from the

4155
02:50:44,240 --> 02:50:46,800
owners. It's not a side job you can

4156
02:50:46,800 --> 02:50:50,080
manage via FaceTime or Skype. I don't

4157
02:50:50,080 --> 02:50:52,800
way back. Throttle Therapy Group has

4158
02:50:52,800 --> 02:50:56,560
never opened or I suspect worked at a

4159
02:50:56,560 --> 02:50:59,040
solely motor park facility. They've

4160
02:50:59,040 --> 02:51:00,800
gained their knowledge by owning an

4161
02:51:00,800 --> 02:51:04,000
Airbnb in Lake Anna. I'm not dogging it.

4162
02:51:04,000 --> 02:51:06,319
I'm just saying that's what they did. Oh

4163
02:51:06,319 --> 02:51:09,439
yeah. But they did have a b a dirt bike

4164
02:51:09,439 --> 02:51:12,640
path there if you were staying.

4165
02:51:12,640 --> 02:51:15,279
Their knowledge is pur purely anecdotal.

4166
02:51:15,279 --> 02:51:18,160
The info that they get acquire that they

4167
02:51:18,160 --> 02:51:20,319
acquire is not by experience but by

4168
02:51:20,319 --> 02:51:23,520
asking questions to folks that own

4169
02:51:23,520 --> 02:51:26,080
motorpark establishments or they have

4170
02:51:26,080 --> 02:51:28,560
owned in the past. So they're asking

4171
02:51:28,560 --> 02:51:30,640
these people questions and that's how

4172
02:51:30,640 --> 02:51:33,040
they acquire their knowledge and we get

4173
02:51:33,040 --> 02:51:36,319
to be their guinea pig. Nah. What people

4174
02:51:36,319 --> 02:51:38,800
are saying at this meeting that are

4175
02:51:38,800 --> 02:51:40,479
against the proposal like noise

4176
02:51:40,479 --> 02:51:41,920
pollution, air pollution, water

4177
02:51:41,920 --> 02:51:43,920
pollution, street issues are all

4178
02:51:43,920 --> 02:51:46,319
relevant. Please hear what they are

4179
02:51:46,319 --> 02:51:48,560
saying. Please take a drive the proposed

4180
02:51:48,560 --> 02:51:51,439
area. Please honestly visualize how this

4181
02:51:51,439 --> 02:51:54,560
will work. What will all the added

4182
02:51:54,560 --> 02:51:57,359
trucks, trailers, and cars do to these

4183
02:51:57,359 --> 02:52:00,560
existing roads like Rocky Ford? And that

4184
02:52:00,560 --> 02:52:02,640
should not be tested.

4185
02:52:02,640 --> 02:52:05,760
I can tell you um um throttle therapy

4186
02:52:05,760 --> 02:52:07,920
has pleaded and delayed this vote long

4187
02:52:07,920 --> 02:52:11,040
enough. So, let's move on. Lastly, I

4188
02:52:11,040 --> 02:52:13,200
find it interesting the majority of the

4189
02:52:13,200 --> 02:52:16,240
pro park folks live in other counties or

4190
02:52:16,240 --> 02:52:19,040
own businesses that m the majority that

4191
02:52:19,040 --> 02:52:20,720
own business that would make money on

4192
02:52:20,720 --> 02:52:23,040
this park. I listen to the owners of

4193
02:52:23,040 --> 02:52:26,560
Throttle Therapy. They don't answer how

4194
02:52:26,560 --> 02:52:28,800
this will negatively affect our property

4195
02:52:28,800 --> 02:52:31,040
values, which it will. They don't have

4196
02:52:31,040 --> 02:52:34,319
answers for sales volume or staffing.

4197
02:52:34,319 --> 02:52:37,040
I am glad writing has been therapeutic

4198
02:52:37,040 --> 02:52:39,680
for you. I'm more than grateful for your

4199
02:52:39,680 --> 02:52:41,600
service. My daughter's in boot camp

4200
02:52:41,600 --> 02:52:44,399
right now, so I feel it. To the question

4201
02:52:44,399 --> 02:52:47,120
of what kids can do in the county. I

4202
02:52:47,120 --> 02:52:49,840
will tell you this, we are building a

4203
02:52:49,840 --> 02:52:52,080
10,000 square foot wrestling facility at

4204
02:52:52,080 --> 02:52:55,439
Blackhawk Gym right now.

4205
02:52:55,439 --> 02:52:59,349
Thank you.

4206
02:52:59,359 --> 02:53:02,479
» Terry Terry Adcock, 5719 Cartersville

4207
02:53:02,479 --> 02:53:06,000
Road, District 5. And I'm here to

4208
02:53:06,000 --> 02:53:08,640
introduce the um speaker for the

4209
02:53:08,640 --> 02:53:10,880
Agricultural Forestal District Advisory

4210
02:53:10,880 --> 02:53:13,359
Committee's report this evening. He's a

4211
02:53:13,359 --> 02:53:16,080
Powatan County resident and a member of

4212
02:53:16,080 --> 02:53:19,840
our AFD advisory commission. And Dr. Dr.

4213
02:53:19,840 --> 02:53:22,319
James Riley is a research biologist at

4214
02:53:22,319 --> 02:53:25,279
Rutgers University and I'm really glad

4215
02:53:25,279 --> 02:53:27,359
that we've got somebody this well

4216
02:53:27,359 --> 02:53:29,680
knowledgeable and that can help us on

4217
02:53:29,680 --> 02:53:33,200
our AFD committee to help protect the

4218
02:53:33,200 --> 02:53:39,510
wildlife of Powatan County.

4219
02:53:39,520 --> 02:53:43,600
» Hi there. Um, so if we could uh uh the

4220
02:53:43,600 --> 02:53:45,120
point here, I'm going to go ahead and

4221
02:53:45,120 --> 02:53:49,840
summarize the AFTD report and um

4222
02:53:49,840 --> 02:53:51,359
then give you guys a chance to have

4223
02:53:51,359 --> 02:53:53,439
questions if you want to. Um, if you if

4224
02:53:53,439 --> 02:53:57,920
you could uh show or turn to page

4225
02:53:57,920 --> 02:54:02,560
uh 283 in the um packet.

4226
02:54:02,560 --> 02:54:04,240
Uh that's so I'm just going to go

4227
02:54:04,240 --> 02:54:06,000
through the figures here. So this is a

4228
02:54:06,000 --> 02:54:09,120
map of the proposed site as it was

4229
02:54:09,120 --> 02:54:11,680
originally presented. Um it's a there

4230
02:54:11,680 --> 02:54:14,640
have been a few minor changes to it but

4231
02:54:14,640 --> 02:54:17,600
um this is just to show um you know

4232
02:54:17,600 --> 02:54:19,920
there's basically two main concerns from

4233
02:54:19,920 --> 02:54:23,680
the perspective of the of the um AFD

4234
02:54:23,680 --> 02:54:27,200
relating to um how this will impact the

4235
02:54:27,200 --> 02:54:31,920
environmental um concern. So um it's the

4236
02:54:31,920 --> 02:54:34,960
direct destruction of sensitive habitats

4237
02:54:34,960 --> 02:54:37,600
along the Appatics River um due to

4238
02:54:37,600 --> 02:54:40,399
building a dense network of trails in

4239
02:54:40,399 --> 02:54:43,279
there and uh also from the noise given

4240
02:54:43,279 --> 02:54:46,000
the uh large scale of this project the

4241
02:54:46,000 --> 02:54:49,040
noise you know is probably going to be

4242
02:54:49,040 --> 02:54:51,600
considerable. So what we did was we

4243
02:54:51,600 --> 02:54:55,600
designed a computer simulation to um

4244
02:54:55,600 --> 02:54:57,920
basically simulate

4245
02:54:57,920 --> 02:54:59,760
placing down a whole bunch of dirt bikes

4246
02:54:59,760 --> 02:55:02,479
in this area and then calculating the

4247
02:55:02,479 --> 02:55:04,479
noise values that would propagate out

4248
02:55:04,479 --> 02:55:08,800
from that. Um so if you'll turn to uh

4249
02:55:08,800 --> 02:55:14,080
the next figure in that report

4250
02:55:14,080 --> 02:55:16,960
uh on page 284

4251
02:55:16,960 --> 02:55:19,680
um that shows the um results of the

4252
02:55:19,680 --> 02:55:23,279
noise simulation. Um so what we did was

4253
02:55:23,279 --> 02:55:27,439
we um assumed a noise value. It's a

4254
02:55:27,439 --> 02:55:31,279
mid-range noise value for a riding um

4255
02:55:31,279 --> 02:55:33,920
dirt bike. And that's all those little

4256
02:55:33,920 --> 02:55:36,960
um yellow dots on the graph there are um

4257
02:55:36,960 --> 02:55:40,880
the random placement of the simulated uh

4258
02:55:40,880 --> 02:55:43,920
dirt bikes on that um the different

4259
02:55:43,920 --> 02:55:45,920
areas that were indicated in their

4260
02:55:45,920 --> 02:55:47,520
proposal.

4261
02:55:47,520 --> 02:55:50,640
And um we assigned a decibel value of 96

4262
02:55:50,640 --> 02:55:52,640
dB to each of those dirt bikes which is

4263
02:55:52,640 --> 02:55:56,080
a sort of a conservative mid-range value

4264
02:55:56,080 --> 02:55:57,439
for them.

4265
02:55:57,439 --> 02:56:00,319
And what we've um what you can see there

4266
02:56:00,319 --> 02:56:02,800
is that the the noise

4267
02:56:02,800 --> 02:56:07,040
dissipates um out from those sources. Um

4268
02:56:07,040 --> 02:56:09,200
you know they sort of merge together and

4269
02:56:09,200 --> 02:56:12,479
add in in a mathematical way. And then

4270
02:56:12,479 --> 02:56:14,080
so when if you look on the on the

4271
02:56:14,080 --> 02:56:16,399
diagram the orange areas are the highest

4272
02:56:16,399 --> 02:56:18,640
noise and as it gets out toward purple

4273
02:56:18,640 --> 02:56:22,800
that's the lowest. Um and we uh plotted

4274
02:56:22,800 --> 02:56:25,760
on this figure um a contour yellow

4275
02:56:25,760 --> 02:56:28,399
contour at 45 dB

4276
02:56:28,399 --> 02:56:32,000
um which is a value that um in the

4277
02:56:32,000 --> 02:56:33,600
literature

4278
02:56:33,600 --> 02:56:35,680
uh is very important for wildlife

4279
02:56:35,680 --> 02:56:38,640
especially birds. Um, you know, we're

4280
02:56:38,640 --> 02:56:40,240
focusing on birds here because they're

4281
02:56:40,240 --> 02:56:43,520
very uh sensitive group of animals to

4282
02:56:43,520 --> 02:56:45,840
noise, you know, being uh that they they

4283
02:56:45,840 --> 02:56:50,000
communicate by singing and um even you

4284
02:56:50,000 --> 02:56:52,479
know small amounts of noise increase can

4285
02:56:52,479 --> 02:56:54,160
be detrimental to them. And the uh the

4286
02:56:54,160 --> 02:56:57,600
literature shows that 45 dB is about the

4287
02:56:57,600 --> 02:57:01,040
level uh where they become affected. And

4288
02:57:01,040 --> 02:57:06,880
um at that level they have um reduced

4289
02:57:06,880 --> 02:57:09,200
success with raising their nestlings.

4290
02:57:09,200 --> 02:57:12,000
they have um you know if you do surveys

4291
02:57:12,000 --> 02:57:14,960
you'll find that birds um occur in fewer

4292
02:57:14,960 --> 02:57:17,439
numbers and they also are fewer species

4293
02:57:17,439 --> 02:57:19,359
of birds in areas where they have that

4294
02:57:19,359 --> 02:57:21,120
um you know often these studies are

4295
02:57:21,120 --> 02:57:25,120
based on traffic noise. Um so that's uh

4296
02:57:25,120 --> 02:57:26,720
that's just showing and we have here in

4297
02:57:26,720 --> 02:57:29,760
this figure a version that has 100 dirt

4298
02:57:29,760 --> 02:57:33,040
bikes um on the left and 200 on the

4299
02:57:33,040 --> 02:57:39,200
right. Um you can see how how far that band extends out there.

4300
02:57:39,200 --> 02:57:42,080
Uh okay. So we could turn to the the

4301
02:57:42,080 --> 02:57:46,319
next uh figure. Um this is basically

4302
02:57:46,319 --> 02:57:50,240
overlaying those noise contours on

4303
02:57:50,240 --> 02:57:53,680
um the Powen County um priority

4304
02:57:53,680 --> 02:57:55,840
conservation area in purple along the

4305
02:57:55,840 --> 02:57:59,359
Appamatics River there. Um and the um

4306
02:57:59,359 --> 02:58:02,720
Appamatics AFD in outlined in green in

4307
02:58:02,720 --> 02:58:04,319
the north.

4308
02:58:04,319 --> 02:58:07,279
And uh you can see that the the 45

4309
02:58:07,279 --> 02:58:10,080
decibel band encompasses the whole width

4310
02:58:10,080 --> 02:58:11,840
of that corridor along the Appetics

4311
02:58:11,840 --> 02:58:16,640
River there. Um which will definitely

4312
02:58:16,640 --> 02:58:18,319
decrease its ability to act as a

4313
02:58:18,319 --> 02:58:21,760
wildlife corridor. Um and then if we

4314
02:58:21,760 --> 02:58:23,520
look down at the uh the bottom two

4315
02:58:23,520 --> 02:58:25,680
panels, this is the same but for the

4316
02:58:25,680 --> 02:58:27,600
state of Virginia's wildlife diversity

4317
02:58:27,600 --> 02:58:31,359
corridor um that's made by the DCR.

4318
02:58:31,359 --> 02:58:33,760
And you can see that uh they recognized

4319
02:58:33,760 --> 02:58:36,319
this particular area as a very sensitive

4320
02:58:36,319 --> 02:58:39,760
important area for um environmental

4321
02:58:39,760 --> 02:58:42,080
protection and um animal movement

4322
02:58:42,080 --> 02:58:44,720
through through central Virginia. And

4323
02:58:44,720 --> 02:58:47,600
this noise band does also basically

4324
02:58:47,600 --> 02:58:53,200
envelop their whole corridor. Um so

4325
02:58:53,200 --> 02:58:55,359
uh

4326
02:58:55,359 --> 02:58:57,200
that's and that's the gist of it. So, if

4327
02:58:57,200 --> 02:58:59,279
there's any questions about how we did

4328
02:58:59,279 --> 02:59:00,080
that or what it means.

4329
02:59:00,080 --> 02:59:01,279
>> No, I apprec I appreciate the

4330
02:59:01,279 --> 02:59:02,800
information. It's not a Q&A though,

4331
02:59:02,800 --> 02:59:03,520
unfortunately.

4332
02:59:03,520 --> 02:59:04,160
>> Okay, great.

4333
02:59:04,160 --> 02:59:11,590
>> Thank you.

4334
02:59:11,600 --> 02:59:14,800
» Cindy Booten, 4343 Bridge Road. This is

4335
02:59:14,800 --> 02:59:18,160
district three. I have a friend whose

4336
02:59:18,160 --> 02:59:20,240
property is

4337
02:59:20,240 --> 02:59:25,200
close to this and she's spent years

4338
02:59:25,200 --> 02:59:28,880
and a lot of money of her own and also

4339
02:59:28,880 --> 02:59:32,880
grants from government agencies

4340
02:59:32,880 --> 02:59:34,800
in reing,

4341
02:59:34,800 --> 02:59:38,240
getting rid of invasive species,

4342
02:59:38,240 --> 02:59:42,080
planting our native species, basically

4343
02:59:42,080 --> 02:59:46,800
reing over 300 acres. was very close to

4344
02:59:46,800 --> 02:59:49,600
this.

4345
02:59:49,600 --> 02:59:51,680
I think you will kill her if you approve

4346
02:59:51,680 --> 02:59:54,880
this. I think she will die because she

4347
02:59:54,880 --> 02:59:58,240
has poured her life into it.

4348
02:59:58,240 --> 03:00:02,080
Next point is the businessmen who have

4349
03:00:02,080 --> 03:00:05,760
proposed this ark talk about it as if

4350
03:00:05,760 --> 03:00:08,479
it's a church camp and we're going on a

4351
03:00:08,479 --> 03:00:11,040
church camp picnic.

4352
03:00:11,040 --> 03:00:13,680
I'm sorry. You saw the gentleman who

4353
03:00:13,680 --> 03:00:16,479
came in with his motorcycle

4354
03:00:16,479 --> 03:00:20,000
uh outfit and helmet. [clears throat]

4355
03:00:20,000 --> 03:00:23,120
How would you like 125 of those

4356
03:00:23,120 --> 03:00:26,800
characters next door to you

4357
03:00:26,800 --> 03:00:30,240
riding and revving up their motorcycles?

4358
03:00:30,240 --> 03:00:33,680
And are you kidding? Who wants to go on

4359
03:00:33,680 --> 03:00:38,479
a walking path with 125 people on dirt

4360
03:00:38,479 --> 03:00:41,840
bikes? I mean, I'm glad that they get

4361
03:00:41,840 --> 03:00:45,120
their therapy from that, but I look at

4362
03:00:45,120 --> 03:00:49,040
it, this is more entertainment.

4363
03:00:49,040 --> 03:00:52,640
And we're talking about one group's

4364
03:00:52,640 --> 03:00:55,040
right to have the entertainment they

4365
03:00:55,040 --> 03:00:56,800
prefer

4366
03:00:56,800 --> 03:01:00,080
and then the land owners and the people

4367
03:01:00,080 --> 03:01:04,000
adjacent to this, the wildlife. We're

4368
03:01:04,000 --> 03:01:06,319
talking about the very quality of their

4369
03:01:06,319 --> 03:01:09,279
life. with the wildlife and the bird

4370
03:01:09,279 --> 03:01:13,040
thing we just heard. We're talking about

4371
03:01:13,040 --> 03:01:15,920
nesting grounds, flyways,

4372
03:01:15,920 --> 03:01:19,680
things that affect the population.

4373
03:01:19,680 --> 03:01:22,720
Okay, it's two different things on a

4374
03:01:22,720 --> 03:01:24,880
scale. It doesn't weigh out. These are

4375
03:01:24,880 --> 03:01:27,680
people from another

4376
03:01:27,680 --> 03:01:31,200
um state coming in here to put in their

4377
03:01:31,200 --> 03:01:34,560
little park, their little play park. Um,

4378
03:01:34,560 --> 03:01:37,359
as a Palatan resident, I told you I live

4379
03:01:37,359 --> 03:01:42,240
about 2 thou 2,000 yard of feet from two

4380
03:01:42,240 --> 03:01:45,830
dirt bikes.

4381
03:01:45,840 --> 03:01:49,439
My right to have peace and quiet. And

4382
03:01:49,439 --> 03:01:52,080
I'll say, I'm a nurse practitioner. I

4383
03:01:52,080 --> 03:01:54,399
worked in the ER. Talk about

4384
03:01:54,399 --> 03:01:56,479
post-traumatic stress. From what you've

4385
03:01:56,479 --> 03:01:58,000
seen,

4386
03:01:58,000 --> 03:02:02,240
I need quiet. So do these people who

4387
03:02:02,240 --> 03:02:05,840
have lived on this land for generations.

4388
03:02:05,840 --> 03:02:08,000
There's no comparison. Tell them to go

4389
03:02:08,000 --> 03:02:11,680
somewhere else. I also

4390
03:02:11,680 --> 03:02:14,000
come from an area where they put this in

4391
03:02:14,000 --> 03:02:17,279
and it's a mess. My sister lives in one.

4392
03:02:17,279 --> 03:02:20,000
It's a mess. They go riding across the

4393
03:02:20,000 --> 03:02:22,720
highway in front of cars. It's

4394
03:02:22,720 --> 03:02:23,520
dangerous.

4395
03:02:23,520 --> 03:02:29,349
>> Thank you.

4396
03:02:29,359 --> 03:02:32,319
Good evening. Debbie Madison, 964 Rocky

4397
03:02:32,319 --> 03:02:35,040
Ford Road, District 2. I fully support

4398
03:02:35,040 --> 03:02:36,800
the planning commission's vote to deny

4399
03:02:36,800 --> 03:02:38,800
the applicants conditional use permit

4400
03:02:38,800 --> 03:02:42,479
2603 cup. Now, let's look look closely

4401
03:02:42,479 --> 03:02:44,319
at the access management and safety

4402
03:02:44,319 --> 03:02:47,120
statistics for Rocky Ford Road. From

4403
03:02:47,120 --> 03:02:50,160
January 2025 to June 2026, there were

4404
03:02:50,160 --> 03:02:54,240
262 calls to 911 on this road. 44% of

4405
03:02:54,240 --> 03:02:56,080
those calls were priority 1 and priority

4406
03:02:56,080 --> 03:02:58,800
two emergencies. What is alarming is

4407
03:02:58,800 --> 03:03:01,520
that 47% of those priority emergencies

4408
03:03:01,520 --> 03:03:04,160
occurred during the exact days and hours

4409
03:03:04,160 --> 03:03:06,240
the applicant wants to operate.

4410
03:03:06,240 --> 03:03:09,439
Furthermore, DMV Treads data shows 36%

4411
03:03:09,439 --> 03:03:12,560
of all incidents on Rocky Ford Road over

4412
03:03:12,560 --> 03:03:15,120
the last 5 years resulted in injury and

4413
03:03:15,120 --> 03:03:18,479
53% of all incidents were speed related.

4414
03:03:18,479 --> 03:03:20,319
The applicant's revised conditional use

4415
03:03:20,319 --> 03:03:22,160
permit calls for a traffic increase by

4416
03:03:22,160 --> 03:03:24,960
up to 125 vehicles per day on weekends

4417
03:03:24,960 --> 03:03:28,319
and federal holidays. That's a 12.5%

4418
03:03:28,319 --> 03:03:31,439
spike in traffic volume. Any 911 call

4419
03:03:31,439 --> 03:03:34,319
volume increase over 1% will negatively

4420
03:03:34,319 --> 03:03:36,399
impact emergency response, will increase

4421
03:03:36,399 --> 03:03:39,040
the demands on county services, and will

4422
03:03:39,040 --> 03:03:41,200
unpleasantly impact local residents days

4423
03:03:41,200 --> 03:03:43,760
of rest, recovery, and personal time. It

4424
03:03:43,760 --> 03:03:45,520
is clear the surrounding infrastructure

4425
03:03:45,520 --> 03:03:47,920
simply cannot handle any increase in

4426
03:03:47,920 --> 03:03:49,760
vehicle traffic not designed for

4427
03:03:49,760 --> 03:03:52,399
residential use. VOTE itself noted that

4428
03:03:52,399 --> 03:03:54,080
the local residential roads are not

4429
03:03:54,080 --> 03:03:56,560
designed for trailers, campers or other

4430
03:03:56,560 --> 03:03:58,399
vehicles serving in a commercial

4431
03:03:58,399 --> 03:04:01,439
recreational use. Moreover, there were

4432
03:04:01,439 --> 03:04:03,920
no safe turn lanes outlined in the

4433
03:04:03,920 --> 03:04:06,800
applicant's permit for Gento Rocky Ford

4434
03:04:06,800 --> 03:04:09,200
River Estates or Old Buckingham Roads.

4435
03:04:09,200 --> 03:04:11,279
Without safe turn lanes, incidents will

4436
03:04:11,279 --> 03:04:14,080
rise. Genito Road has ranked in the top

4437
03:04:14,080 --> 03:04:16,800
two or three cluster for high crash

4438
03:04:16,800 --> 03:04:19,200
locations for the past five years per

4439
03:04:19,200 --> 03:04:22,479
DMV Virginia highway safety. VOTE also

4440
03:04:22,479 --> 03:04:24,240
noted that the intersection of River

4441
03:04:24,240 --> 03:04:27,040
Estates and Rocky Ford Road may require

4442
03:04:27,040 --> 03:04:29,760
widening and major structural changes to

4443
03:04:29,760 --> 03:04:32,160
accommodate larger turning area areas

4444
03:04:32,160 --> 03:04:35,120
for vehicles with trailers. The top two

4445
03:04:35,120 --> 03:04:37,680
rural high-risk categories for our

4446
03:04:37,680 --> 03:04:40,000
district for the past two years include

4447
03:04:40,000 --> 03:04:41,439
both roadway departure and

4448
03:04:41,439 --> 03:04:43,760
intersections, which are common on rural

4449
03:04:43,760 --> 03:04:46,080
roads. Yet, the applicant completely

4450
03:04:46,080 --> 03:04:48,560
omitted an access management plan for

4451
03:04:48,560 --> 03:04:50,960
this intersection in its submission.

4452
03:04:50,960 --> 03:04:53,359
These unknown infrastructure changes and

4453
03:04:53,359 --> 03:04:55,920
geometric modifications threaten our

4454
03:04:55,920 --> 03:04:57,760
private property rights. County

4455
03:04:57,760 --> 03:05:00,640
Ordinance 0202602

4456
03:05:00,640 --> 03:05:03,680
requires a 10acre minimum for A10 lots.

4457
03:05:03,680 --> 03:05:05,760
Widening these roads could cut into

4458
03:05:05,760 --> 03:05:08,000
existing properties, including my

4459
03:05:08,000 --> 03:05:10,080
property, pushing private property

4460
03:05:10,080 --> 03:05:12,640
owners below the legal 10 acre limit.

4461
03:05:12,640 --> 03:05:14,479
While land can be taken for public

4462
03:05:14,479 --> 03:05:16,479
infrastructure improvements, private

4463
03:05:16,479 --> 03:05:18,399
land cannot be taken to benefit a

4464
03:05:18,399 --> 03:05:20,080
private commercial recreational

4465
03:05:20,080 --> 03:05:22,479
business. This conditional use permit

4466
03:05:22,479 --> 03:05:23,760
request has already caused an

4467
03:05:23,760 --> 03:05:25,680
unreasonable absorption of time and

4468
03:05:25,680 --> 03:05:28,399
taxpayer dollars on meetings, outreach,

4469
03:05:28,399 --> 03:05:30,720
foyer request, etc. It's time to say

4470
03:05:30,720 --> 03:05:32,399
when. I urge you to protect the

4471
03:05:32,399 --> 03:05:34,800
residents, uphold the unanimous vote,

4472
03:05:34,800 --> 03:05:37,200
and deny this conditional use permit.

4473
03:05:37,200 --> 03:05:38,960
Thank you.

4474
03:05:38,960 --> 03:05:42,950
>> Thank you.

4475
03:05:42,960 --> 03:05:44,960
» Good evening. My name is Gail Nunnelly.

4476
03:05:44,960 --> 03:05:48,479
I live at 310 Skippers Ridge in Powatan.

4477
03:05:48,479 --> 03:05:51,279
I've been in this county for 30 years. I

4478
03:05:51,279 --> 03:05:53,279
am here to say that I fully support the

4479
03:05:53,279 --> 03:05:56,720
recommendation to deny case 2603

4480
03:05:56,720 --> 03:06:00,160
cup throttle therapy. My reason is my

4481
03:06:00,160 --> 03:06:02,399
daughter and I own the house at 961

4482
03:06:02,399 --> 03:06:05,359
Rocky Ford Road. This is the first house

4483
03:06:05,359 --> 03:06:07,840
on River Estates Road. When you turn on

4484
03:06:07,840 --> 03:06:10,720
River Estates, there she is. On

4485
03:06:10,720 --> 03:06:14,080
Saturday, June 20th, 2026, I was sitting

4486
03:06:14,080 --> 03:06:16,640
on the porch at my daughter's house when

4487
03:06:16,640 --> 03:06:19,359
multiple vehicles began showing up with

4488
03:06:19,359 --> 03:06:22,080
ATVs, motorcycles, and other off-road

4489
03:06:22,080 --> 03:06:25,040
vehicles. Knowing that the cup had not

4490
03:06:25,040 --> 03:06:27,600
been voted on at that time, we were

4491
03:06:27,600 --> 03:06:30,720
confused as to why they were there. I

4492
03:06:30,720 --> 03:06:32,720
called a few neighbors and they were not

4493
03:06:32,720 --> 03:06:34,800
aware of anything going on at the

4494
03:06:34,800 --> 03:06:37,760
location, but had also seen the traffic

4495
03:06:37,760 --> 03:06:40,080
coming in.

4496
03:06:40,080 --> 03:06:41,600
Many neighbors called the sheriff's

4497
03:06:41,600 --> 03:06:44,399
office to come and investigate. The

4498
03:06:44,399 --> 03:06:46,560
applicant did not have the courtesy to

4499
03:06:46,560 --> 03:06:48,640
let the neighbors know what was going

4500
03:06:48,640 --> 03:06:50,399
on.

4501
03:06:50,399 --> 03:06:52,479
We later learned the applicants had

4502
03:06:52,479 --> 03:06:54,560
invited people to come in and help with

4503
03:06:54,560 --> 03:06:56,479
a sound test.

4504
03:06:56,479 --> 03:06:58,960
My main concern is the traffic in front

4505
03:06:58,960 --> 03:07:01,200
of my daughter's house every Friday,

4506
03:07:01,200 --> 03:07:04,479
Saturday, Sunday, and holiday. How would

4507
03:07:04,479 --> 03:07:06,319
you like to wake up to the possibility

4508
03:07:06,319 --> 03:07:08,720
of a line of vehicles in front of your

4509
03:07:08,720 --> 03:07:11,520
house waiting for the park to open? How

4510
03:07:11,520 --> 03:07:12,880
would you like to sit on your front

4511
03:07:12,880 --> 03:07:16,880
porch and watch anywhere from 30 to 125

4512
03:07:16,880 --> 03:07:20,000
vehicles drive in and out every weekend

4513
03:07:20,000 --> 03:07:22,800
and holiday? Her children will no longer

4514
03:07:22,800 --> 03:07:24,800
be able to go outside alone due to

4515
03:07:24,800 --> 03:07:28,319
stranger danger. This would turn a quiet

4516
03:07:28,319 --> 03:07:31,359
country lane into an overrun busy throw

4517
03:07:31,359 --> 03:07:34,880
affair every weekend and holiday. We

4518
03:07:34,880 --> 03:07:37,520
have already posted no trespassing signs

4519
03:07:37,520 --> 03:07:39,359
to hopefully keep people off of her

4520
03:07:39,359 --> 03:07:42,720
property. If this cup is passed, we will

4521
03:07:42,720 --> 03:07:45,279
be forced to install a privacy fence in

4522
03:07:45,279 --> 03:07:47,680
front of her home. The driveway will

4523
03:07:47,680 --> 03:07:50,319
also be roped off to keep vehicles from

4524
03:07:50,319 --> 03:07:52,800
using it as a turnaround. Thank you for

4525
03:07:52,800 --> 03:07:54,800
your service to Powaton County.

4526
03:07:54,800 --> 03:07:58,150
>> Thank you.

4527
03:07:58,160 --> 03:08:00,240
» Good evening. My name is Samantha Piper,

4528
03:08:00,240 --> 03:08:02,960
4301 Old Buckingham Road. I would like

4529
03:08:02,960 --> 03:08:04,720
to speak on the environmental impact of

4530
03:08:04,720 --> 03:08:06,479
Throttle Therapy's proposed business, as

4531
03:08:06,479 --> 03:08:08,399
I believe that impact was minimized to a

4532
03:08:08,399 --> 03:08:10,240
large extent in both the presentations

4533
03:08:10,240 --> 03:08:12,000
for the park and in the planning staff

4534
03:08:12,000 --> 03:08:14,240
report. The site lies within the upper

4535
03:08:14,240 --> 03:08:15,920
Appamatics River corridor directly

4536
03:08:15,920 --> 03:08:17,359
across from the Amelia Wildlife

4537
03:08:17,359 --> 03:08:18,960
Management Area and includes mature

4538
03:08:18,960 --> 03:08:20,560
forests, wetlands, and streams that

4539
03:08:20,560 --> 03:08:22,399
support diverse wildlife, including

4540
03:08:22,399 --> 03:08:23,920
migratory birds. As previously

4541
03:08:23,920 --> 03:08:25,760
mentioned, while a physical trail may

4542
03:08:25,760 --> 03:08:26,960
take up little space itself,

4543
03:08:26,960 --> 03:08:28,479
environmental disturbance involves

4544
03:08:28,479 --> 03:08:30,399
broader surrounding areas in the natural

4545
03:08:30,399 --> 03:08:32,399
landscape. This business would impact

4546
03:08:32,399 --> 03:08:34,720
not just this propert, but all of the

4547
03:08:34,720 --> 03:08:36,080
previously mentioned surrounding

4548
03:08:36,080 --> 03:08:37,520
properties in addition to all of the

4549
03:08:37,520 --> 03:08:39,520
homeowners. Ample research has

4550
03:08:39,520 --> 03:08:40,960
demonstrated a clear negative impact

4551
03:08:40,960 --> 03:08:42,560
from off-road vehicle trail use on

4552
03:08:42,560 --> 03:08:44,880
entire ecological systems. Wildlife is

4553
03:08:44,880 --> 03:08:46,399
harmed and displaced. Vegetation is

4554
03:08:46,399 --> 03:08:47,840
damaged or altered. And the land itself

4555
03:08:47,840 --> 03:08:50,240
is irreparably degraded. Many studies

4556
03:08:50,240 --> 03:08:51,600
have found profound impacts on

4557
03:08:51,600 --> 03:08:53,359
vegetation. Effects include vegetation

4558
03:08:53,359 --> 03:08:54,960
loss, reduced height, greatly reduced

4559
03:08:54,960 --> 03:08:56,240
cover, and increased injury to

4560
03:08:56,240 --> 03:08:58,399
vegetation itself. These effects can

4561
03:08:58,399 --> 03:08:59,920
facilitate the spread of invasive

4562
03:08:59,920 --> 03:09:02,479
species such as kudzu, which can easily

4563
03:09:02,479 --> 03:09:04,000
and aggressively take root in freshly

4564
03:09:04,000 --> 03:09:05,680
disted ground. I don't know if you know

4565
03:09:05,680 --> 03:09:07,600
how hard kudzu is to deal with, but it's

4566
03:09:07,600 --> 03:09:09,760
a nightmare. Besides wildlife and

4567
03:09:09,760 --> 03:09:11,600
vegetation, the actual land itself is

4568
03:09:11,600 --> 03:09:13,600
negatively impacted. Off-road vehicle

4569
03:09:13,600 --> 03:09:15,439
activity leads to soil compaction, soil

4570
03:09:15,439 --> 03:09:17,200
penetration resistance, and altered soil

4571
03:09:17,200 --> 03:09:19,200
chemistry. Physical alterations to the

4572
03:09:19,200 --> 03:09:20,800
soil structure occur, resulting in

4573
03:09:20,800 --> 03:09:22,560
erosion, and changes to hydrarology.

4574
03:09:22,560 --> 03:09:24,479
Runoff said sediments into streams,

4575
03:09:24,479 --> 03:09:26,080
degrading water quality, and damaging

4576
03:09:26,080 --> 03:09:27,760
habitat critical for fish spawning and

4577
03:09:27,760 --> 03:09:29,680
freshwater muscles. These impacts have

4578
03:09:29,680 --> 03:09:31,279
been shown to occur even when no new

4579
03:09:31,279 --> 03:09:32,880
trails are constructed and even under

4580
03:09:32,880 --> 03:09:35,200
sporadic use. Recently, a motorsports

4581
03:09:35,200 --> 03:09:36,640
park in Pennsylvania County was shut

4582
03:09:36,640 --> 03:09:38,399
down partially due to the considerable

4583
03:09:38,399 --> 03:09:40,720
effect they were having on the soil. It

4584
03:09:40,720 --> 03:09:42,319
is also significant that Powatin's

4585
03:09:42,319 --> 03:09:44,000
comprehensive plan designates all of the

4586
03:09:44,000 --> 03:09:46,160
property as priority conservation area

4587
03:09:46,160 --> 03:09:48,319
or otherwise protected land. The county

4588
03:09:48,319 --> 03:09:50,000
already knows this land is particularly

4589
03:09:50,000 --> 03:09:52,000
vulnerable and worth protecting. This

4590
03:09:52,000 --> 03:09:53,680
significant environmental impact clearly

4591
03:09:53,680 --> 03:09:55,279
conflicts with the intent of priority

4592
03:09:55,279 --> 03:09:57,600
conservation area designation. The plan

4593
03:09:57,600 --> 03:09:59,120
also notes that property zoned A10

4594
03:09:59,120 --> 03:10:00,240
within these areas should not be

4595
03:10:00,240 --> 03:10:01,760
reszoned to a higher intensity zoning

4596
03:10:01,760 --> 03:10:03,600
classification. It seems clear that a

4597
03:10:03,600 --> 03:10:05,040
motorsports park inviting hundreds of

4598
03:10:05,040 --> 03:10:07,120
riders a day, as stated in their cup,

4599
03:10:07,120 --> 03:10:08,479
would absolutely lead to higher

4600
03:10:08,479 --> 03:10:10,640
intensity use than what is intended. In

4601
03:10:10,640 --> 03:10:12,160
my opinion, granting this use in this

4602
03:10:12,160 --> 03:10:13,359
location would lead to profound

4603
03:10:13,359 --> 03:10:14,960
irreversible negative impact on the

4604
03:10:14,960 --> 03:10:16,479
local environment and essentially amount

4605
03:10:16,479 --> 03:10:18,080
to approving a loophole circumventing

4606
03:10:18,080 --> 03:10:21,600
the intent of a zone zoning. A10 zoning

4607
03:10:21,600 --> 03:10:23,359
powatin's rural character and natural

4608
03:10:23,359 --> 03:10:25,120
resources are among its most valuable

4609
03:10:25,120 --> 03:10:26,560
assets, and once lost, they are

4610
03:10:26,560 --> 03:10:28,479
impossible to restore. I respectfully

4611
03:10:28,479 --> 03:10:30,000
ask you to consider the long-term

4612
03:10:30,000 --> 03:10:31,279
environmental impacts and the

4613
03:10:31,279 --> 03:10:32,880
incompatibility of this intensive

4614
03:10:32,880 --> 03:10:34,399
commercial use within this sensitive

4615
03:10:34,399 --> 03:10:36,160
environmental setting and vote to deny

4616
03:10:36,160 --> 03:10:37,520
recommendation. Thank you for your time

4617
03:10:37,520 --> 03:10:39,120
and for your service to Powatin County.

4618
03:10:39,120 --> 03:10:43,349
>> Thank you.

4619
03:10:43,359 --> 03:10:45,040
» Good evening, chair, members, and the

4620
03:10:45,040 --> 03:10:46,720
board. My name is Eric Burr and I reside

4621
03:10:46,720 --> 03:10:49,520
at 12554 Gento Road in Ameilia

4622
03:10:49,520 --> 03:10:52,160
Courthouse, Virginia. My home is located

4623
03:10:52,160 --> 03:10:54,720
approximately 150 ft from a proposed

4624
03:10:54,720 --> 03:10:56,479
trail.

4625
03:10:56,479 --> 03:10:59,040
Um, the property lies I'm not here to

4626
03:10:59,040 --> 03:11:00,720
discuss my concerns. I'm here to talk

4627
03:11:00,720 --> 03:11:02,640
about the ones that don't have a voice,

4628
03:11:02,640 --> 03:11:04,880
and that's the wildlife. This property

4629
03:11:04,880 --> 03:11:06,720
lies within the Appamatics River

4630
03:11:06,720 --> 03:11:10,160
Preservation Corridor and migration

4631
03:11:10,160 --> 03:11:12,800
for a wide variety of species. This is a

4632
03:11:12,800 --> 03:11:15,040
thriving ecosystem.

4633
03:11:15,040 --> 03:11:17,120
One species of particular concern is the

4634
03:11:17,120 --> 03:11:19,439
northern long-eared bat, which is

4635
03:11:19,439 --> 03:11:22,080
federally listed as endangered. Under

4636
03:11:22,080 --> 03:11:23,520
the Endangered Species Act, the

4637
03:11:23,520 --> 03:11:25,600
Appamatics River Corridor is a known

4638
03:11:25,600 --> 03:11:27,279
habitat for these bats and they depend

4639
03:11:27,279 --> 03:11:29,439
on roosting, breeding, and raising their

4640
03:11:29,439 --> 03:11:31,920
young. The US Fish and Wildlife Service

4641
03:11:31,920 --> 03:11:33,680
and the Virginia Department of Wildlife

4642
03:11:33,680 --> 03:11:36,479
Resources recognize the protection of

4643
03:11:36,479 --> 03:11:38,479
maternity colonies and roost habitat as

4644
03:11:38,479 --> 03:11:41,439
a critical conservation priority. The

4645
03:11:41,439 --> 03:11:43,840
Northern Long Ear bat relies on quiet,

4646
03:11:43,840 --> 03:11:47,200
undisturbed horse habitat to roost,

4647
03:11:47,200 --> 03:11:49,439
forage, and successfully rear its young.

4648
03:11:49,439 --> 03:11:51,760
Disturbance during the maternity season,

4649
03:11:51,760 --> 03:11:53,439
generally from midmay through August,

4650
03:11:53,439 --> 03:11:55,359
can interfere with breeding and pup

4651
03:11:55,359 --> 03:11:57,279
rearing activities and raises serious

4652
03:11:57,279 --> 03:11:59,680
concerns under the Endangered Species

4653
03:11:59,680 --> 03:12:02,479
Act when habitat supporting endangered

4654
03:12:02,479 --> 03:12:04,880
bats is adversely affected. The

4655
03:12:04,880 --> 03:12:06,640
Endangered Species Act prohibits the

4656
03:12:06,640 --> 03:12:08,240
unauthorized disturbance of all

4657
03:12:08,240 --> 03:12:10,560
endangered species such as the northern

4658
03:12:10,560 --> 03:12:14,240
long-eared bat. Migatory Bird Treaty Act

4659
03:12:14,240 --> 03:12:16,720
prevents protects na native migatory

4660
03:12:16,720 --> 03:12:19,279
birds, their nest, and their eggs. The

4661
03:12:19,279 --> 03:12:21,600
bald eagle bald and golden eagle

4662
03:12:21,600 --> 03:12:23,760
protection act prohibits disturbing bald

4663
03:12:23,760 --> 03:12:25,760
or golden eagles in ways that interfere

4664
03:12:25,760 --> 03:12:27,680
with breeding, feeding, sheltering,

4665
03:12:27,680 --> 03:12:30,880
productivity or cause nest abandonment.

4666
03:12:30,880 --> 03:12:33,040
The Clean Water Act prevents protects

4667
03:12:33,040 --> 03:12:35,200
wetlands, streams, and waters connected

4668
03:12:35,200 --> 03:12:38,160
to the Appamatics River. This is not

4669
03:12:38,160 --> 03:12:40,560
simply a land use decision. It's a

4670
03:12:40,560 --> 03:12:42,319
decision about whether we protect a

4671
03:12:42,319 --> 03:12:44,479
critical wildlife corridor or place it

4672
03:12:44,479 --> 03:12:46,800
at risk. We can build recreation

4673
03:12:46,800 --> 03:12:49,520
facilities elsewhere. We cannot recreate

4674
03:12:49,520 --> 03:12:53,680
an endangered bat's habitat. We cannot

4675
03:12:53,680 --> 03:12:56,319
replace wetlands once they are damaged.

4676
03:12:56,319 --> 03:12:59,120
And we cannot restore wildlife corridor

4677
03:12:59,120 --> 03:13:01,279
once its ecological

4678
03:13:01,279 --> 03:13:04,960
function is lost. The Endangered Species

4679
03:13:04,960 --> 03:13:07,920
Act, the Matory Treaty Act, Matory Bird

4680
03:13:07,920 --> 03:13:09,760
Treaty Act, the Bald and Golden Eagle

4681
03:13:09,760 --> 03:13:11,680
Protection Act, and the Clean Water Act

4682
03:13:11,680 --> 03:13:13,279
exist because we have learned that once

4683
03:13:13,279 --> 03:13:15,520
critical habitat is lost, the species

4684
03:13:15,520 --> 03:13:17,279
that depend on it often disappear as

4685
03:13:17,279 --> 03:13:19,520
well. Violations can result in

4686
03:13:19,520 --> 03:13:22,000
substantial fines, criminal penalties,

4687
03:13:22,000 --> 03:13:24,640
imprisonment, or both. Future

4688
03:13:24,640 --> 03:13:26,319
generations will never ask why we

4689
03:13:26,319 --> 03:13:28,640
protect an endangered species, clean

4690
03:13:28,640 --> 03:13:30,640
water, and wildlife habitat, but they

4691
03:13:30,640 --> 03:13:32,239
will ask why we failed to protect them

4692
03:13:32,239 --> 03:13:35,120
when we had the chance. For the northern

4693
03:13:35,120 --> 03:13:37,040
long-ear bat, migatory birds, bald

4694
03:13:37,040 --> 03:13:39,439
eagles, hawks, the Appamax River, its

4695
03:13:39,439 --> 03:13:41,040
wetlands, and the natural heritage of

4696
03:13:41,040 --> 03:13:43,359
both Palatan and Ameilia counties, I

4697
03:13:43,359 --> 03:13:45,439
respectfully ask you to vote no and deny

4698
03:13:45,439 --> 03:13:47,120
this application. Thank you.

4699
03:13:47,120 --> 03:13:53,030
>> Thank you.

4700
03:13:53,040 --> 03:13:54,479
Good evening, chairman and members of

4701
03:13:54,479 --> 03:13:56,000
the board. My name is Katherine

4702
03:13:56,000 --> 03:13:58,560
Freedomire and I am from district 1. I'm

4703
03:13:58,560 --> 03:14:00,319
here tonight asking that you deny the

4704
03:14:00,319 --> 03:14:01,840
conditional use permit for proposed

4705
03:14:01,840 --> 03:14:03,439
thyrotheral therapy motor sports and

4706
03:14:03,439 --> 03:14:05,760
campground. I want to be clear that I am

4707
03:14:05,760 --> 03:14:08,080
not opposed to motor motor sports or

4708
03:14:08,080 --> 03:14:10,479
responsible development in Palan. My

4709
03:14:10,479 --> 03:14:12,000
concern is whether this isn't the right

4710
03:14:12,000 --> 03:14:15,120
use for this specific location.

4711
03:14:15,120 --> 03:14:17,680
This proposal is approximately 711 acres

4712
03:14:17,680 --> 03:14:20,640
of motorsports and campground RV use if

4713
03:14:20,640 --> 03:14:22,800
that is allowed to be done in the

4714
03:14:22,800 --> 03:14:25,040
future.

4715
03:14:25,040 --> 03:14:28,239
Assessed from the end of RIP access from

4716
03:14:28,239 --> 03:14:30,319
the end of River Estates Road about 3/4

4717
03:14:30,319 --> 03:14:32,399
of a mile from Rocky Ford Road. The

4718
03:14:32,399 --> 03:14:34,319
county's comprehensive plan designates

4719
03:14:34,319 --> 03:14:36,800
this area as rural areas and natural

4720
03:14:36,800 --> 03:14:39,359
conservation. That designation matters

4721
03:14:39,359 --> 03:14:40,880
because the impacts of the property of

4722
03:14:40,880 --> 03:14:42,880
this scale do not stop the at the

4723
03:14:42,880 --> 03:14:45,200
property lines. Every vehicle, trailer,

4724
03:14:45,200 --> 03:14:47,200
RV, employee, and visitor must travel

4725
03:14:47,200 --> 03:14:49,439
our rural road network to reach the

4726
03:14:49,439 --> 03:14:51,120
site. These roads were not designed for

4727
03:14:51,120 --> 03:14:54,000
this level of traffic or intensity. This

4728
03:14:54,000 --> 03:14:56,000
is not just inconvenience. It's a matter

4729
03:14:56,000 --> 03:14:58,560
of public safety. Increased traffic from

4730
03:14:58,560 --> 03:15:00,720
high volume recreational use increases

4731
03:15:00,720 --> 03:15:02,960
the risk of serious accidents. And when

4732
03:15:02,960 --> 03:15:06,319
incidents occur, who must we must ask

4733
03:15:06,319 --> 03:15:08,640
who responds?

4734
03:15:08,640 --> 03:15:10,560
Pouty and Fire and Rescue already serves

4735
03:15:10,560 --> 03:15:12,560
a growing county with limited resources,

4736
03:15:12,560 --> 03:15:16,000
handling more than 9,000 emergency 911

4737
03:15:16,000 --> 03:15:18,080
calls and over 60,000 total calls

4738
03:15:18,080 --> 03:15:20,800
annually. According to last report, our

4739
03:15:20,800 --> 03:15:22,720
emergency personnel cannot be everywhere

4740
03:15:22,720 --> 03:15:24,800
at once and they must still travel these

4741
03:15:24,800 --> 03:15:27,359
same rural roads to reach this site. In

4742
03:15:27,359 --> 03:15:30,000
an emergency, minutes matter. We must

4743
03:15:30,000 --> 03:15:32,080
also consider the surrounding community.

4744
03:15:32,080 --> 03:15:34,800
This area includes established farms and

4745
03:15:34,800 --> 03:15:37,359
a strong ecoin community. Horses depend

4746
03:15:37,359 --> 03:15:39,520
on a calm and predictable environment.

4747
03:15:39,520 --> 03:15:41,760
Motorsports activity induces constant

4748
03:15:41,760 --> 03:15:43,840
engine noise, sudden acceleration, and

4749
03:15:43,840 --> 03:15:46,239
increased traffic. A frightened horse is

4750
03:15:46,239 --> 03:15:48,560
not a minor issue. It can result in

4751
03:15:48,560 --> 03:15:50,560
injury to the animal, the rider, or

4752
03:15:50,560 --> 03:15:52,640
those handling it on the ground. That is

4753
03:15:52,640 --> 03:15:54,720
a real and legitimate safety concern.

4754
03:15:54,720 --> 03:15:56,640
I've been a horsewoman for over 40

4755
03:15:56,640 --> 03:15:59,120
years. I have been injured multiple

4756
03:15:59,120 --> 03:16:02,000
times, had falls at shows in Palatan

4757
03:16:02,000 --> 03:16:05,279
County, broken bones, and at that time

4758
03:16:05,279 --> 03:16:07,920
rescue was not available due to being

4759
03:16:07,920 --> 03:16:09,520
called out for another accident

4760
03:16:09,520 --> 03:16:12,319
somewhere else. A frightened horse is

4761
03:16:12,319 --> 03:16:14,479
not I'm sorry, we must also produce

4762
03:16:14,479 --> 03:16:16,160
protect our water and environment. This

4763
03:16:16,160 --> 03:16:18,000
property lies within anatics river

4764
03:16:18,000 --> 03:16:19,600
wershed, includes environmentally

4765
03:16:19,600 --> 03:16:22,000
sensitive areas. Any approval must

4766
03:16:22,000 --> 03:16:23,840
ensure strong enforceable protections

4767
03:16:23,840 --> 03:16:25,760
for wetlands, storm water, erosion,

4768
03:16:25,760 --> 03:16:27,840
runoff, and groundwater before

4769
03:16:27,840 --> 03:16:30,880
development occurs, not after the sorry

4770
03:16:30,880 --> 03:16:33,359
after impacts are realized. Finally, I

4771
03:16:33,359 --> 03:16:35,359
want to address the county zone process.

4772
03:16:35,359 --> 03:16:37,359
When motorsport parts was considered in

4773
03:16:37,359 --> 03:16:39,040
the zoning ordinance, the paneling

4774
03:16:39,040 --> 03:16:41,200
commission voted against the amendment,

4775
03:16:41,200 --> 03:16:44,239
noting the need for stronger standards.

4776
03:16:44,239 --> 03:16:46,239
The board instead chose a conditional

4777
03:16:46,239 --> 03:16:48,160
use permit process so conditions could

4778
03:16:48,160 --> 03:16:50,640
be applied to individual projects. But

4779
03:16:50,640 --> 03:16:52,640
conditions cannot fix fundamental

4780
03:16:52,640 --> 03:16:54,960
incompatibilities. If the roads cannot

4781
03:16:54,960 --> 03:16:58,560
safely handle the traffic, the emergency

4782
03:16:58,560 --> 03:17:01,279
access is insufficient and other reasons

4783
03:17:01,279 --> 03:17:04,720
behind at any case they will need to do

4784
03:17:04,720 --> 03:17:06,800
the same conclusion and please do not

4785
03:17:06,800 --> 03:17:08,479
approve the cup.

4786
03:17:08,479 --> 03:17:13,590
>> Thank you.

4787
03:17:13,600 --> 03:17:15,040
Good evening, Mr. Chairman and members

4788
03:17:15,040 --> 03:17:17,040
of the board. My name is Matt Escobar,

4789
03:17:17,040 --> 03:17:19,200
975 Rocky Ford Road, and I'm asking you

4790
03:17:19,200 --> 03:17:21,200
to deny the condition conditional use

4791
03:17:21,200 --> 03:17:22,800
proposed for Throttle Therapy

4792
03:17:22,800 --> 03:17:24,479
Motorsports Park. I want to make

4793
03:17:24,479 --> 03:17:26,399
something clear at the offset. This is

4794
03:17:26,399 --> 03:17:28,080
not a debate whether motorsports are

4795
03:17:28,080 --> 03:17:29,840
good or bad. People should have places

4796
03:17:29,840 --> 03:17:31,760
to enjoy these activities. The question

4797
03:17:31,760 --> 03:17:34,000
before you was much narrower. Is this

4798
03:17:34,000 --> 03:17:36,000
the right for this particular property

4799
03:17:36,000 --> 03:17:38,319
in Palatan County? I believe the answer

4800
03:17:38,319 --> 03:17:40,160
is no. And I am not alone in reaching

4801
03:17:40,160 --> 03:17:42,239
that conclusion. After reviewing this

4802
03:17:42,239 --> 03:17:43,760
proposal and hearing from the public,

4803
03:17:43,760 --> 03:17:46,399
the Palotan Planning Commission voted 50

4804
03:17:46,399 --> 03:17:49,200
to recommend denial. That unanimous vote

4805
03:17:49,200 --> 03:17:50,560
deserves significant weight. Five

4806
03:17:50,560 --> 03:17:52,160
commissioners considered this proposal

4807
03:17:52,160 --> 03:17:54,640
and not one voted for approval. I won't

4808
03:17:54,640 --> 03:17:56,720
spend my limited time repeating

4809
03:17:56,720 --> 03:17:57,840
everything the planning commission

4810
03:17:57,840 --> 03:17:59,200
discussed, but the concerns they

4811
03:17:59,200 --> 03:18:00,880
identified, including traffic, public

4812
03:18:00,880 --> 03:18:03,439
safety, demands on resources, ingress

4813
03:18:03,439 --> 03:18:05,600
and egress, noise, pollution, and impact

4814
03:18:05,600 --> 03:18:07,359
of the neighboring properties have not

4815
03:18:07,359 --> 03:18:09,520
been resolved. I would also like to

4816
03:18:09,520 --> 03:18:10,960
address some of the arguments being made

4817
03:18:10,960 --> 03:18:12,960
in support of this project. We have

4818
03:18:12,960 --> 03:18:14,720
heard suggestions that there that the

4819
03:18:14,720 --> 03:18:16,800
alternative to this proposal could be a

4820
03:18:16,800 --> 03:18:18,800
data center or a housing development.

4821
03:18:18,800 --> 03:18:20,560
There are no such proposals before you

4822
03:18:20,560 --> 03:18:22,640
tonight. We've also heard that this

4823
03:18:22,640 --> 03:18:24,560
project is needed to pro provide trails

4824
03:18:24,560 --> 03:18:26,960
and access to nature. But directly

4825
03:18:26,960 --> 03:18:31,359
across from the river more than 2200 acres of public land in the Amelia

4826
03:18:31,359 --> 03:18:33,279
Wildlife Management Area. Those

4827
03:18:33,279 --> 03:18:34,800
arguments should not distract you from

4828
03:18:34,800 --> 03:18:37,120
the question before you. Is a commercial

4829
03:18:37,120 --> 03:18:39,120
motorsports park an appropriate use for

4830
03:18:39,120 --> 03:18:41,840
this property? Property rights matter,

4831
03:18:41,840 --> 03:18:43,520
but so do the property rights of the

4832
03:18:43,520 --> 03:18:45,600
people who actually live nearby, own

4833
03:18:45,600 --> 03:18:47,600
land, and operate businesses. A

4834
03:18:47,600 --> 03:18:49,120
landowner's right to use private

4835
03:18:49,120 --> 03:18:50,560
property should not automatically

4836
03:18:50,560 --> 03:18:53,040
outweigh the effects that an intensive

4837
03:18:53,040 --> 03:18:54,479
commercial use may have on the

4838
03:18:54,479 --> 03:18:56,080
surrounding property owners and

4839
03:18:56,080 --> 03:18:57,920
characters of the comm character of the

4840
03:18:57,920 --> 03:18:59,920
community. Throttle therapy may be a

4841
03:18:59,920 --> 03:19:02,319
worthwhile concept somewhere, but that

4842
03:19:02,319 --> 03:19:03,600
does not mean this is the right place

4843
03:19:03,600 --> 03:19:05,680
for it. The planning commission has done

4844
03:19:05,680 --> 03:19:07,760
its job. It's reviewed the proposal,

4845
03:19:07,760 --> 03:19:10,239
considered its impacts, and unanimously

4846
03:19:10,239 --> 03:19:12,319
recommended denial. Now, the decision is

4847
03:19:12,319 --> 03:19:14,800
yours. I respectfully ask that the board

4848
03:19:14,800 --> 03:19:16,960
follow that recommendation. Protect the

4849
03:19:16,960 --> 03:19:18,960
residents, businesses that are already

4850
03:19:18,960 --> 03:19:21,120
there, protect POW's rural character,

4851
03:19:21,120 --> 03:19:23,359
and deny this conditional use permit.

4852
03:19:23,359 --> 03:19:24,640
Thank you for your time and your service

4853
03:19:24,640 --> 03:19:26,000
to Powan County.

4854
03:19:26,000 --> 03:19:30,550
>> Thank you.

4855
03:19:30,560 --> 03:19:32,000
» Good evening, and thank you for your

4856
03:19:32,000 --> 03:19:33,920
time. My name is Melissa Christian at

4857
03:19:33,920 --> 03:19:36,479
1950 Pine Creek Ridge Terrace. I live on

4858
03:19:36,479 --> 03:19:39,359
District 2. Um, so I do want to be

4859
03:19:39,359 --> 03:19:41,359
clear. I am not opposed to motorsports.

4860
03:19:41,359 --> 03:19:43,120
We have our Harleyies, we have our

4861
03:19:43,120 --> 03:19:46,560
Jeeps, and we love outdoor adventuring.

4862
03:19:46,560 --> 03:19:48,319
However, we do not think this is the

4863
03:19:48,319 --> 03:19:50,319
right location for this particular

4864
03:19:50,319 --> 03:19:52,720
activity. I've repeatedly heard that

4865
03:19:52,720 --> 03:19:55,200
there is nothing out to do in Powatan

4866
03:19:55,200 --> 03:19:57,520
for families, and that's just simply not

4867
03:19:57,520 --> 03:20:00,160
true. We have a beautiful state park. We

4868
03:20:00,160 --> 03:20:01,680
have the James River where there's

4869
03:20:01,680 --> 03:20:04,399
hiking, biking trails, kaying, fishing,

4870
03:20:04,399 --> 03:20:06,720
boating, horseback riding, hunting, and

4871
03:20:06,720 --> 03:20:09,200
many other ways to enjoy the outdoors.

4872
03:20:09,200 --> 03:20:11,680
And motorsports are not prohibited here.

4873
03:20:11,680 --> 03:20:13,439
People with sufficient acreage can ride

4874
03:20:13,439 --> 03:20:15,840
on their own property. The question is

4875
03:20:15,840 --> 03:20:17,600
whether a commercial motorsports park

4876
03:20:17,600 --> 03:20:20,960
belongs on this particular 718 acres of

4877
03:20:20,960 --> 03:20:23,040
land that are surrounded by residents,

4878
03:20:23,040 --> 03:20:25,120
farms, and businesses that depend upon

4879
03:20:25,120 --> 03:20:27,520
the rural character and relative peace

4880
03:20:27,520 --> 03:20:29,600
of this area while also raising

4881
03:20:29,600 --> 03:20:31,359
legitimate concerns about wildlife,

4882
03:20:31,359 --> 03:20:33,600
waterways, noise, dust, and increased

4883
03:20:33,600 --> 03:20:35,680
traffic. I've also heard, would you

4884
03:20:35,680 --> 03:20:37,840
rather have houses or a data center? And

4885
03:20:37,840 --> 03:20:40,080
that's just a false choice. There's no

4886
03:20:40,080 --> 03:20:42,319
data center proposal before you tonight.

4887
03:20:42,319 --> 03:20:44,319
And housing and a powersports park are

4888
03:20:44,319 --> 03:20:47,040
not equivalent. Housing is a basic human

4889
03:20:47,040 --> 03:20:50,239
need. A powersports park is recreation.

4890
03:20:50,239 --> 03:20:52,319
You cannot have a growing population

4891
03:20:52,319 --> 03:20:54,800
while insisting housing never grow with

4892
03:20:54,800 --> 03:20:57,680
it. Taken to its logical conclusion, if

4893
03:20:57,680 --> 03:20:59,760
we truly want no additional homes in

4894
03:20:59,760 --> 03:21:02,160
Powatan, we'd also have to stop having

4895
03:21:02,160 --> 03:21:04,160
children.

4896
03:21:04,160 --> 03:21:06,720
So obviously that is not uh realistic

4897
03:21:06,720 --> 03:21:09,120
nor desirable. Housing growth should be

4898
03:21:09,120 --> 03:21:11,120
managed responsibly, but a family's need

4899
03:21:11,120 --> 03:21:12,880
for a home is fundamentally different

4900
03:21:12,880 --> 03:21:15,040
from someone's desire to have their

4901
03:21:15,040 --> 03:21:17,680
recreational hobby closer to home. And

4902
03:21:17,680 --> 03:21:19,920
that brings me to the riders themselves.

4903
03:21:19,920 --> 03:21:22,640
The people participating in this sport

4904
03:21:22,640 --> 03:21:24,239
bought their bikes, trailers, and

4905
03:21:24,239 --> 03:21:26,800
equipment before the idea of this of the

4906
03:21:26,800 --> 03:21:29,600
park ever existed. They chose this hobby

4907
03:21:29,600 --> 03:21:31,439
already knowing that participating might

4908
03:21:31,439 --> 03:21:33,920
require owning enough land to ride or

4909
03:21:33,920 --> 03:21:35,520
traveling to an appropriate riding

4910
03:21:35,520 --> 03:21:38,000
facility. The riders chose their hobby

4911
03:21:38,000 --> 03:21:40,479
knowing its requirements. The neighbors

4912
03:21:40,479 --> 03:21:43,200
chose their homes knowing the existing

4913
03:21:43,200 --> 03:21:45,439
character of the area. The neighbors

4914
03:21:45,439 --> 03:21:47,760
aren't asking riders to change their way

4915
03:21:47,760 --> 03:21:50,239
of life. The proposal is asking the

4916
03:21:50,239 --> 03:21:53,120
neighbors to change theirs. I understand

4917
03:21:53,120 --> 03:21:55,279
that driving an hour to ride is

4918
03:21:55,279 --> 03:21:57,520
inconvenient, but your convenience

4919
03:21:57,520 --> 03:22:00,160
should not come at your neighbor's

4920
03:22:00,160 --> 03:22:02,319
permanent burden. And equally important,

4921
03:22:02,319 --> 03:22:04,720
you don't get to divi define what is or

4922
03:22:04,720 --> 03:22:07,200
isn't burden for somebody else. If you

4923
03:22:07,200 --> 03:22:09,040
won't be living beside the noise,

4924
03:22:09,040 --> 03:22:10,640
breathing the dust, dealing with the

4925
03:22:10,640 --> 03:22:12,479
additional traffic, or experiencing

4926
03:22:12,479 --> 03:22:14,880
changes to the peace and character of

4927
03:22:14,880 --> 03:22:17,760
your property, you cannot tell people

4928
03:22:17,760 --> 03:22:19,760
what their that their concerns are not

4929
03:22:19,760 --> 03:22:22,479
significant. Power 10's rural character

4930
03:22:22,479 --> 03:22:25,040
isn't simply the absence of houses. It's

4931
03:22:25,040 --> 03:22:28,080
our farms, horses, wildlife, waterways,

4932
03:22:28,080 --> 03:22:29,920
open spaces, neighbors, and peace and

4933
03:22:29,920 --> 03:22:32,479
quiet. Not I'm not asking you to reject

4934
03:22:32,479 --> 03:22:34,640
motorsports in Powan. I'm just asking

4935
03:22:34,640 --> 03:22:36,800
you to reject this location. Thank you

4936
03:22:36,800 --> 03:22:37,520
for your time.

4937
03:22:37,520 --> 03:22:45,429
>> Thank you.

4938
03:22:45,439 --> 03:22:47,760
» Good evening, Mr. Chairman. Um my name

4939
03:22:47,760 --> 03:22:51,920
is Wanda Escobar, 975 Rocky Ford Road.

4940
03:22:51,920 --> 03:22:54,479
For almost 35 years, I have operated

4941
03:22:54,479 --> 03:22:57,279
Saddlebrook Stables. I am asking you to

4942
03:22:57,279 --> 03:22:58,960
deny the conditional use permit for

4943
03:22:58,960 --> 03:23:00,800
throttle therapy. For me, it isn't an

4944
03:23:00,800 --> 03:23:03,359
abstract discussion about land use. This

4945
03:23:03,359 --> 03:23:06,080
is my home, my farm, my livelihood, and

4946
03:23:06,080 --> 03:23:08,000
something I have spent nearly 35 years

4947
03:23:08,000 --> 03:23:10,319
building. My property would be one of

4948
03:23:10,319 --> 03:23:12,479
the largest tracks directly affected by

4949
03:23:12,479 --> 03:23:16,319
this proposed motor sports park. Anyone

4950
03:23:16,319 --> 03:23:19,680
who has spent time around horses that ex

4951
03:23:19,680 --> 03:23:21,680
understands that they can be extremely

4952
03:23:21,680 --> 03:23:23,920
sensitive to sudden unfamiliar sights,

4953
03:23:23,920 --> 03:23:26,880
sounds, a frightening horse is a danger

4954
03:23:26,880 --> 03:23:29,520
to everyone around. That's why placing a

4955
03:23:29,520 --> 03:23:31,040
motorsports parked next to an

4956
03:23:31,040 --> 03:23:33,120
established horse farm concerns me so

4957
03:23:33,120 --> 03:23:36,080
deeply. For decades, I have invested my

4958
03:23:36,080 --> 03:23:37,760
time and money into creating a safe

4959
03:23:37,760 --> 03:23:39,920
environment to keep, ride, and care for

4960
03:23:39,920 --> 03:23:43,200
horses and to teach other um young

4961
03:23:43,200 --> 03:23:45,840
children and adults how to ride their

4962
03:23:45,840 --> 03:23:47,920
horses. The repeated sound of

4963
03:23:47,920 --> 03:23:50,160
motorcycles and ATVs accelerating and

4964
03:23:50,160 --> 03:23:51,680
operating nearby would introduce

4965
03:23:51,680 --> 03:23:53,200
something completely different from the

4966
03:23:53,200 --> 03:23:55,680
normal sounds of rural agricultural

4967
03:23:55,680 --> 03:23:58,080
life. I've heard a great deal about what

4968
03:23:58,080 --> 03:23:59,760
can be done to make this new business

4969
03:23:59,760 --> 03:24:04,080
work. I want to ask you to consider the

4970
03:24:04,080 --> 03:24:07,680
business that's already there. Me, I did

4971
03:24:07,680 --> 03:24:10,399
not move next to a motorsports park.

4972
03:24:10,399 --> 03:24:12,239
They are asking permission to move next

4973
03:24:12,239 --> 03:24:15,439
to my farm. I have operated legally and

4974
03:24:15,439 --> 03:24:17,600
responsibly on this property for nearly

4975
03:24:17,600 --> 03:24:20,239
35 years. I should not have to change my

4976
03:24:20,239 --> 03:24:22,319
operation, accept new safety risk, or

4977
03:24:22,319 --> 03:24:24,479
potentially close my farm because the

4978
03:24:24,479 --> 03:24:26,640
county approves an incompatible

4979
03:24:26,640 --> 03:24:29,600
commercial use next door. Agriculture

4980
03:24:29,600 --> 03:24:31,120
isn't something we just talk about

4981
03:24:31,120 --> 03:24:33,359
preserving in Powatan. These are real

4982
03:24:33,359 --> 03:24:35,760
people operating real farms who depend

4983
03:24:35,760 --> 03:24:40,399
upon the rural character of this county.

4984
03:24:40,399 --> 03:24:42,399
The supporters say they need a place to

4985
03:24:42,399 --> 03:24:46,160
ride. Well, so do I. I ride and I need a

4986
03:24:46,160 --> 03:24:48,640
place to ride on my property and so do

4987
03:24:48,640 --> 03:24:50,080
the hundreds of folks who have come

4988
03:24:50,080 --> 03:24:53,040
through my property. My therapy is the

4989
03:24:53,040 --> 03:24:54,800
horses.

4990
03:24:54,800 --> 03:24:57,040
I respectfully ask you to deny this

4991
03:24:57,040 --> 03:24:59,439
conditional use permit and allow me to

4992
03:24:59,439 --> 03:25:01,279
continue doing what I have done here for

4993
03:25:01,279 --> 03:25:02,960
almost 35 years.

4994
03:25:02,960 --> 03:25:11,830
>> Thank you.

4995
03:25:11,840 --> 03:25:15,359
» My name is John Schlicking. District 4.

4996
03:25:15,359 --> 03:25:17,520
Um,

4997
03:25:17,520 --> 03:25:19,040
I spoke at the planning commission

4998
03:25:19,040 --> 03:25:20,960
meeting regarding the potential impact

4999
03:25:20,960 --> 03:25:23,279
this proposed motor park could have on

5000
03:25:23,279 --> 03:25:25,279
the property values of the surrounding

5001
03:25:25,279 --> 03:25:27,840
homes. At that meeting, I explained that

5002
03:25:27,840 --> 03:25:30,399
my concern was not hypothetical.

5003
03:25:30,399 --> 03:25:32,560
My home is currently for sale and

5004
03:25:32,560 --> 03:25:34,319
prospective buyers who viewed the

5005
03:25:34,319 --> 03:25:36,080
property specifically raised the

5006
03:25:36,080 --> 03:25:38,960
proposed motor park as a concern and a

5007
03:25:38,960 --> 03:25:40,399
reason they were not interested in

5008
03:25:40,399 --> 03:25:43,040
pursuing the purchase. Since that

5009
03:25:43,040 --> 03:25:44,960
meeting, the situation has become even

5010
03:25:44,960 --> 03:25:47,439
more concrete. We have now had another

5011
03:25:47,439 --> 03:25:49,439
prospective buyer cancel a scheduled

5012
03:25:49,439 --> 03:25:52,239
showing because the proposed motor park.

5013
03:25:52,239 --> 03:25:53,840
I think that it is important for the

5014
03:25:53,840 --> 03:25:56,239
board to consider. We don't have to

5015
03:25:56,239 --> 03:25:58,560
speculate about whether the possibility

5016
03:25:58,560 --> 03:26:01,359
of a motocross facility can affect

5017
03:26:01,359 --> 03:26:03,840
nearby homeowners. We are already seeing

5018
03:26:03,840 --> 03:26:06,000
an effect before the facility has even

5019
03:26:06,000 --> 03:26:08,479
been approved. And the financial impact

5020
03:26:08,479 --> 03:26:10,080
does not stop with individual

5021
03:26:10,080 --> 03:26:12,560
homeowners. If surrounding property

5022
03:26:12,560 --> 03:26:15,040
values decline, those decreases will

5023
03:26:15,040 --> 03:26:16,880
eventually be reflected in property

5024
03:26:16,880 --> 03:26:19,200
assessments. Lower assessments mean

5025
03:26:19,200 --> 03:26:21,600
lower real estate tax revenue to Powatan

5026
03:26:21,600 --> 03:26:23,840
County. So, when considering the

5027
03:26:23,840 --> 03:26:26,560
economic benefit this product project

5028
03:26:26,560 --> 03:26:28,960
may bring to the county, I believe the

5029
03:26:28,960 --> 03:26:30,800
board should also consider the potential

5030
03:26:30,800 --> 03:26:33,600
economic loss created by declining home

5031
03:26:33,600 --> 03:26:36,319
values and of the existing tax base

5032
03:26:36,319 --> 03:26:38,640
surrounding it. My family and other

5033
03:26:38,640 --> 03:26:40,880
homeowners in this area made significant

5034
03:26:40,880 --> 03:26:43,120
investments in our properties based on

5035
03:26:43,120 --> 03:26:45,680
the existing character and use of this

5036
03:26:45,680 --> 03:26:48,239
community. We should not have to absorb

5037
03:26:48,239 --> 03:26:50,800
a reduction in the marketability or the

5038
03:26:50,800 --> 03:26:52,640
value of our homes so that the private

5039
03:26:52,640 --> 03:26:56,160
commercial venture that this private

5040
03:26:56,160 --> 03:26:58,160
commercial venture can operate in a

5041
03:26:58,160 --> 03:27:00,319
location that may simply be incompatible

5042
03:27:00,319 --> 03:27:01,840
with the surrounding residential

5043
03:27:01,840 --> 03:27:04,239
properties. The planning commission

5044
03:27:04,239 --> 03:27:07,040
voted unanimously 5 to zero to recommend

5045
03:27:07,040 --> 03:27:10,160
denial of this cup. I respectfully ask

5046
03:27:10,160 --> 03:27:12,000
the board to consider not only the

5047
03:27:12,000 --> 03:27:14,720
noise, traffic, environmental, and other

5048
03:27:14,720 --> 03:27:16,560
concerns that have been raised tonight,

5049
03:27:16,560 --> 03:27:18,720
but also the very real financial

5050
03:27:18,720 --> 03:27:20,880
consequences for the families who

5051
03:27:20,880 --> 03:27:23,040
already live here and ultimately for

5052
03:27:23,040 --> 03:27:26,000
Powatam County itself. Please protect

5053
03:27:26,000 --> 03:27:28,560
the investments existing Powatam

5054
03:27:28,560 --> 03:27:30,880
homeowners have made in this community

5055
03:27:30,880 --> 03:27:33,600
and deny this cup. Thank you.

5056
03:27:33,600 --> 03:27:39,750
>> Thank you.

5057
03:27:39,760 --> 03:27:43,040
» Hello, I'm Danielle Stevens. I'm at 3116

5058
03:27:43,040 --> 03:27:47,200
Timber Trace um Court District 2. Um I

5059
03:27:47,200 --> 03:27:49,680
wasn't planning to speak today um as

5060
03:27:49,680 --> 03:27:51,120
I've already written those letters that

5061
03:27:51,120 --> 03:27:53,120
you've already received. I don't like

5062
03:27:53,120 --> 03:27:54,960
speaking in public. I get very very

5063
03:27:54,960 --> 03:27:58,000
nervous but I wanted to stand up today

5064
03:27:58,000 --> 03:28:00,479
to speak to you. Before I get into my

5065
03:28:00,479 --> 03:28:02,560
personal reasons for standing up, I

5066
03:28:02,560 --> 03:28:04,640
wanted to say that I agree with that

5067
03:28:04,640 --> 03:28:06,800
what others have already stated about

5068
03:28:06,800 --> 03:28:08,960
environmental impacts, infrastructure

5069
03:28:08,960 --> 03:28:11,680
and public safety, noise and property

5070
03:28:11,680 --> 03:28:14,399
values. I wanted to also speak about the

5071
03:28:14,399 --> 03:28:17,200
noise. I'm one of those people um that

5072
03:28:17,200 --> 03:28:19,520
those gentlemen um at Thought of Therapy

5073
03:28:19,520 --> 03:28:21,920
have talked about. I grew up with a mom

5074
03:28:21,920 --> 03:28:24,560
that had schizophrenia, bipolar, and

5075
03:28:24,560 --> 03:28:27,120
multiple personality disorder. My

5076
03:28:27,120 --> 03:28:29,840
husband and I moved to Powatan for the

5077
03:28:29,840 --> 03:28:32,960
peace. I didn't grow up in a safe um

5078
03:28:32,960 --> 03:28:36,720
household. My home in Powatan is the

5079
03:28:36,720 --> 03:28:39,680
first time I've ever felt safe. Um it is

5080
03:28:39,680 --> 03:28:41,920
a sanctuary for me where I enjoy most

5081
03:28:41,920 --> 03:28:44,560
weekends um sitting on my front porch

5082
03:28:44,560 --> 03:28:46,880
listening to the quiet of the wildlife.

5083
03:28:46,880 --> 03:28:50,640
This is my therapy. Um, we could clearly

5084
03:28:50,640 --> 03:28:53,920
hear them on Sunday, May 17th, and

5085
03:28:53,920 --> 03:28:56,960
Saturday, June 20th. So, please don't

5086
03:28:56,960 --> 03:28:59,680
take away my sanctuary, my therapy.

5087
03:28:59,680 --> 03:29:01,760
Please deny the coat. Thank you for your

5088
03:29:01,760 --> 03:29:02,239
time.

5089
03:29:02,239 --> 03:29:06,389
>> Thank you,

5090
03:29:06,399 --> 03:29:10,479
» Heather Escobar, 975 Rocky Ford Road.

5091
03:29:10,479 --> 03:29:12,080
Good [clears throat] evening, board. I

5092
03:29:12,080 --> 03:29:14,239
am speaking tonight to ask that you deny

5093
03:29:14,239 --> 03:29:16,800
the proposed throttle therapy cup. I

5094
03:29:16,800 --> 03:29:18,319
spoke at the planning commission meeting

5095
03:29:18,319 --> 03:29:20,399
in regards to the environmental concerns

5096
03:29:20,399 --> 03:29:22,960
that I have as a National Geographic

5097
03:29:22,960 --> 03:29:25,840
certified educator and conservationist.

5098
03:29:25,840 --> 03:29:27,439
However, tonight I would like to make

5099
03:29:27,439 --> 03:29:29,920
this more personal and express my safety

5100
03:29:29,920 --> 03:29:32,560
concerns towards our family presented

5101
03:29:32,560 --> 03:29:35,600
from this whole process. After politely

5102
03:29:35,600 --> 03:29:37,680
discussing concerns that I had for our

5103
03:29:37,680 --> 03:29:40,880
family horse farm located at 975 Rocky

5104
03:29:40,880 --> 03:29:43,680
Ford Road, um I was met with threats and

5105
03:29:43,680 --> 03:29:46,560
cussed out on social media. social media

5106
03:29:46,560 --> 03:29:49,520
by supporters of throttle therapy. Our

5107
03:29:49,520 --> 03:29:51,439
family keeps to ourselves and are very

5108
03:29:51,439 --> 03:29:53,520
private in regards to our daughter's

5109
03:29:53,520 --> 03:29:57,120
successful horse riding career. In 2023,

5110
03:29:57,120 --> 03:29:59,760
she represented the USA for region 1 at

5111
03:29:59,760 --> 03:30:02,239
the North American Youth Championships,

5112
03:30:02,239 --> 03:30:04,880
otherwise known as the Junior Olympics.

5113
03:30:04,880 --> 03:30:06,560
She participated in the Parade of

5114
03:30:06,560 --> 03:30:09,120
Nations and competed against riders from

5115
03:30:09,120 --> 03:30:12,160
countries as far away as Argentina. She

5116
03:30:12,160 --> 03:30:14,160
travels to different states to qualify

5117
03:30:14,160 --> 03:30:16,560
for this competition and we knew this

5118
03:30:16,560 --> 03:30:19,200
first when we purchased the horse and we

5119
03:30:19,200 --> 03:30:23,040
don't complain about it. Um she is

5120
03:30:23,040 --> 03:30:24,720
currently training a young horse to

5121
03:30:24,720 --> 03:30:26,960
represent the USA again at the same

5122
03:30:26,960 --> 03:30:29,279
competition and trains out of the family

5123
03:30:29,279 --> 03:30:32,720
farm with international trainers. She

5124
03:30:32,720 --> 03:30:34,800
also trains with high-profile trainers

5125
03:30:34,800 --> 03:30:36,399
including George Williams who is the

5126
03:30:36,399 --> 03:30:38,160
president of the United States DR

5127
03:30:38,160 --> 03:30:41,040
Federation and the USA Youth Coach. If

5128
03:30:41,040 --> 03:30:42,960
this motorsports park were to be placed

5129
03:30:42,960 --> 03:30:45,439
directly next to our horse farm, she and

5130
03:30:45,439 --> 03:30:47,680
many others would be unable to continue

5131
03:30:47,680 --> 03:30:49,680
training at this location and clinics

5132
03:30:49,680 --> 03:30:51,600
that are currently held at our farm

5133
03:30:51,600 --> 03:30:54,399
would be unable to continue. Horses are

5134
03:30:54,399 --> 03:30:56,479
bred for a variety of reasons and while

5135
03:30:56,479 --> 03:30:58,080
the supporters will mention seeing

5136
03:30:58,080 --> 03:31:00,160
videos of horses and dirt bike riders

5137
03:31:00,160 --> 03:31:03,520
riding side by side, Dr. horses are

5138
03:31:03,520 --> 03:31:06,080
different. They compete in a quiet

5139
03:31:06,080 --> 03:31:08,720
environment with minimal distractions.

5140
03:31:08,720 --> 03:31:10,640
Even if you watch the Olympics, you'll

5141
03:31:10,640 --> 03:31:13,120
see DR horses spooking in the ring, even

5142
03:31:13,120 --> 03:31:16,000
when it's quiet. Due to this very public

5143
03:31:16,000 --> 03:31:18,239
process and our safety concerns after

5144
03:31:18,239 --> 03:31:20,880
being threatened online, her horse is

5145
03:31:20,880 --> 03:31:24,479
now no longer located in Powatan. Now I

5146
03:31:24,479 --> 03:31:26,800
ask you why our daughter's training as a

5147
03:31:26,800 --> 03:31:28,800
previous and soontobe again member of

5148
03:31:28,800 --> 03:31:31,840
the USA D team at our family farm which

5149
03:31:31,840 --> 03:31:33,920
has been here for 35 years my

5150
03:31:33,920 --> 03:31:36,080
mother-in-law just spoke should be

5151
03:31:36,080 --> 03:31:37,920
ceased in order to accommodate a

5152
03:31:37,920 --> 03:31:40,479
motorsports park supporting mostly out

5153
03:31:40,479 --> 03:31:43,040
of town visitors including the owners of

5154
03:31:43,040 --> 03:31:45,439
the proposed site.

5155
03:31:45,439 --> 03:31:47,600
You have a junior Olympian with a bronze

5156
03:31:47,600 --> 03:31:50,080
medal using a farm here in Powatan to

5157
03:31:50,080 --> 03:31:52,960
train. If you approve this cup, Powatan

5158
03:31:52,960 --> 03:31:55,200
will lose this honor as she will no

5159
03:31:55,200 --> 03:31:57,359
longer safely be able to train on the

5160
03:31:57,359 --> 03:31:59,600
family farm that she will inherit in the

5161
03:31:59,600 --> 03:32:01,760
future. Thank you for your time and your

5162
03:32:01,760 --> 03:32:02,399
service.

5163
03:32:02,399 --> 03:32:06,150
>> Thank you.

5164
03:32:06,160 --> 03:32:08,720
» Dr. Nicole Shot, aologist, 7:30

5165
03:32:08,720 --> 03:32:10,560
Appamatics Trace. Tonight, I

5166
03:32:10,560 --> 03:32:11,760
respectfully ask that you deny the

5167
03:32:11,760 --> 03:32:13,279
throttle therapy cup. Throughout this

5168
03:32:13,279 --> 03:32:14,800
process, we have repeatedly asked one

5169
03:32:14,800 --> 03:32:16,560
fundamental question. What will a fully

5170
03:32:16,560 --> 03:32:18,160
operating motorsports park actually

5171
03:32:18,160 --> 03:32:19,600
sound like to the people who live around

5172
03:32:19,600 --> 03:32:21,680
it? Following throttle therapy sound

5173
03:32:21,680 --> 03:32:23,359
demonstration, I contacted Dr.

5174
03:32:23,359 --> 03:32:25,120
Robertson, a professor whose work

5175
03:32:25,120 --> 03:32:26,960
includes physics and acoustics of

5176
03:32:26,960 --> 03:32:28,640
motorcycle noise. I provided him with

5177
03:32:28,640 --> 03:32:30,640
the existing track layouts, land survey,

5178
03:32:30,640 --> 03:32:32,080
demonstration methodology, and a

5179
03:32:32,080 --> 03:32:33,439
photograph of the sound level meter and

5180
03:32:33,439 --> 03:32:35,359
its settings. His conclusion should

5181
03:32:35,359 --> 03:32:37,520
concern this board. Using standard sound

5182
03:32:37,520 --> 03:32:39,520
propagation calculations, Dr. Robertson

5183
03:32:39,520 --> 03:32:41,359
estimated that a dirt bike producing

5184
03:32:41,359 --> 03:32:43,680
approximately 96 dBA at the half meter

5185
03:32:43,680 --> 03:32:46,160
could produce roughly 70 dBA at 150 ft

5186
03:32:46,160 --> 03:32:48,399
under flat reflective conditions. He

5187
03:32:48,399 --> 03:32:50,319
also modeled a 100 dirt bikes operating

5188
03:32:50,319 --> 03:32:51,920
simultaneously near the center of this

5189
03:32:51,920 --> 03:32:54,399
complex at approximately 1 half mile. He

5190
03:32:54,399 --> 03:32:56,560
calculated potential maximum of roughly

5191
03:32:56,560 --> 03:32:58,560
80 dBA at the property boundary. He

5192
03:32:58,560 --> 03:33:00,160
acknowledged that terrain vegetation

5193
03:33:00,160 --> 03:33:02,000
could reduce that level, but ultimately

5194
03:33:02,000 --> 03:33:04,080
stated that he strongly suspects nearby

5195
03:33:04,080 --> 03:33:05,600
residents would be impacted by track

5196
03:33:05,600 --> 03:33:07,200
noise and that the facility would be

5197
03:33:07,200 --> 03:33:09,359
plainly audible. That matters in an

5198
03:33:09,359 --> 03:33:11,120
exceptionally quiet rural environment.

5199
03:33:11,120 --> 03:33:12,880
Dr. Robertson explained that the ambient

5200
03:33:12,880 --> 03:33:14,800
sound here could be as low as 30 to 35

5201
03:33:14,800 --> 03:33:17,120
dBA. Against that background, even

5202
03:33:17,120 --> 03:33:19,279
approximately 50 dBA would be clearly

5203
03:33:19,279 --> 03:33:21,279
discernible. Dirt bike noise also

5204
03:33:21,279 --> 03:33:22,880
contains low frequency components that

5205
03:33:22,880 --> 03:33:24,800
can travel significant distances, and a

5206
03:33:24,800 --> 03:33:26,160
single broadband measurement does not

5207
03:33:26,160 --> 03:33:27,680
fully characterize how intrusive that

5208
03:33:27,680 --> 03:33:29,680
sound would be. His analysis helped

5209
03:33:29,680 --> 03:33:31,120
explains what residents experienced

5210
03:33:31,120 --> 03:33:33,120
during that demonstration. The reported

5211
03:33:33,120 --> 03:33:34,560
number suggested one thing. While

5212
03:33:34,560 --> 03:33:35,680
residents standing on their own

5213
03:33:35,680 --> 03:33:37,040
properties could clearly hear the dirt

5214
03:33:37,040 --> 03:33:38,800
bikes. Additionally, there were

5215
03:33:38,800 --> 03:33:40,960
significant limitations in that demo,

5216
03:33:40,960 --> 03:33:42,640
including no documented calibration

5217
03:33:42,640 --> 03:33:44,560
information, measurements primarily in

5218
03:33:44,560 --> 03:33:46,560
one direction, no established ambient

5219
03:33:46,560 --> 03:33:48,800
baseline, limited monitoring, and no

5220
03:33:48,800 --> 03:33:50,319
meaningful analysis of the frequency

5221
03:33:50,319 --> 03:33:51,840
characteristics. Even the planning

5222
03:33:51,840 --> 03:33:53,359
director's report acknowledges that the

5223
03:33:53,359 --> 03:33:54,560
demonstration was not a formal

5224
03:33:54,560 --> 03:33:56,239
acoustical study and was not intended to

5225
03:33:56,239 --> 03:33:57,760
establish compliance with the noise

5226
03:33:57,760 --> 03:33:59,600
ordinance. And tonight, you're not

5227
03:33:59,600 --> 03:34:01,520
considering that limited demo. You're

5228
03:34:01,520 --> 03:34:02,800
considering a long-term facility

5229
03:34:02,800 --> 03:34:05,040
allowing up to 150 riders during regular

5230
03:34:05,040 --> 03:34:06,960
operations and up to potentially 500

5231
03:34:06,960 --> 03:34:08,880
participants during special events.

5232
03:34:08,880 --> 03:34:10,880
Palatan's ordinance asked whether dirt

5233
03:34:10,880 --> 03:34:13,120
bike noise is plainly audible at 150 ft.

5234
03:34:13,120 --> 03:34:14,880
Yet, we still don't have an adequate

5235
03:34:14,880 --> 03:34:16,720
independent independent acoustical study

5236
03:34:16,720 --> 03:34:18,319
demonstrating the full operations of

5237
03:34:18,319 --> 03:34:21,600
this cup. These concerns all converge.

5238
03:34:21,600 --> 03:34:23,680
Residents heard the the dirt bikes. The

5239
03:34:23,680 --> 03:34:25,920
Palatan AFDAC independently raised

5240
03:34:25,920 --> 03:34:27,600
concerns about sound extending beyond

5241
03:34:27,600 --> 03:34:29,760
the property and a neutral third-party

5242
03:34:29,760 --> 03:34:31,120
review reached many of the same

5243
03:34:31,120 --> 03:34:33,279
conclusions. Noise is more than an

5244
03:34:33,279 --> 03:34:34,880
inconvenience. Chronic environmental

5245
03:34:34,880 --> 03:34:36,160
noise is associated with sleep

5246
03:34:36,160 --> 03:34:38,080
disturbance, stress, hypertension,

5247
03:34:38,080 --> 03:34:39,600
cardiovascular risk, impaired

5248
03:34:39,600 --> 03:34:41,279
concentration, and diminished quality of

5249
03:34:41,279 --> 03:34:43,520
life. It will also disrupt wildlife

5250
03:34:43,520 --> 03:34:45,040
communication, breeding, and habitat

5251
03:34:45,040 --> 03:34:46,880
use. These families chose this rural

5252
03:34:46,880 --> 03:34:48,560
community for its peace and quiet. They

5253
03:34:48,560 --> 03:34:50,399
should not have to sacrifice that first

5254
03:34:50,399 --> 03:34:52,239
and then spend years filing complaints

5255
03:34:52,239 --> 03:34:54,000
trying to get it back. The burden should

5256
03:34:54,000 --> 03:34:55,359
be on the applicant to demonstrate

5257
03:34:55,359 --> 03:34:57,439
compatibility before approval, not on

5258
03:34:57,439 --> 03:34:59,840
residents to prove the harm afterward.

5259
03:34:59,840 --> 03:35:00,560
Thank you.

5260
03:35:00,560 --> 03:35:04,630
>> Thank you.

5261
03:35:04,640 --> 03:35:08,720
» Hello. Um Ken Jamerson, uh 910 River

5262
03:35:08,720 --> 03:35:12,080
States Court, District 2. Um it's going

5263
03:35:12,080 --> 03:35:14,080
to be a bit of a surprise to my I'm in

5264
03:35:14,080 --> 03:35:16,800
opposition of the of the cup. First off,

5265
03:35:16,800 --> 03:35:20,560
I had a whole speech planned for the

5266
03:35:20,560 --> 03:35:23,040
non-traditional sports that uh Palatan

5267
03:35:23,040 --> 03:35:26,000
offers. Um, and my kids excelled at, but

5268
03:35:26,000 --> 03:35:28,160
my consciousness got the best of me. So,

5269
03:35:28,160 --> 03:35:30,479
I felt the need that I needed to uh

5270
03:35:30,479 --> 03:35:35,040
write a new speech and present it and

5271
03:35:35,040 --> 03:35:36,720
hopefully it'll make the point. And I'd

5272
03:35:36,720 --> 03:35:38,000
like to start off by saying I want to

5273
03:35:38,000 --> 03:35:39,680
apologize to the writing community for

5274
03:35:39,680 --> 03:35:43,040
the statements that were made earlier.

5275
03:35:43,040 --> 03:35:44,239
As you've already heard from the

5276
03:35:44,239 --> 03:35:45,840
applicant tonight, and because of the

5277
03:35:45,840 --> 03:35:47,680
plethora of misinformation and false

5278
03:35:47,680 --> 03:35:49,439
narratives that we have been subjected

5279
03:35:49,439 --> 03:35:52,000
to in the past four months, it's vitally

5280
03:35:52,000 --> 03:35:54,720
important that this be stated on the

5281
03:35:54,720 --> 03:35:57,120
record. I believe that I speak for

5282
03:35:57,120 --> 03:35:59,040
probably every member of the opposition

5283
03:35:59,040 --> 03:36:01,120
of the cup, with the exception of maybe

5284
03:36:01,120 --> 03:36:04,160
one. I wish to be perfectly clear that

5285
03:36:04,160 --> 03:36:07,040
in no way, shape, or form, do we ever

5286
03:36:07,040 --> 03:36:09,680
condone the injury, whether by accident

5287
03:36:09,680 --> 03:36:12,319
or purpose, as a means to resolve policy

5288
03:36:12,319 --> 03:36:15,439
disputes. Wishing physical harm to

5289
03:36:15,439 --> 03:36:17,600
anyone for any reason, is never

5290
03:36:17,600 --> 03:36:19,760
acceptable to resolve community

5291
03:36:19,760 --> 03:36:21,439
differences.

5292
03:36:21,439 --> 03:36:22,960
I believe that this process should be

5293
03:36:22,960 --> 03:36:24,800
honored and respected to manage the

5294
03:36:24,800 --> 03:36:26,880
county in an orderly and responsible

5295
03:36:26,880 --> 03:36:28,319
manner.

5296
03:36:28,319 --> 03:36:31,279
On a personal note, I'm truly upset

5297
03:36:31,279 --> 03:36:33,120
about the comment as well. Since the

5298
03:36:33,120 --> 03:36:34,479
beginning of this application, I've

5299
03:36:34,479 --> 03:36:36,080
worked to minimize the risks in our

5300
03:36:36,080 --> 03:36:38,399
community and tried to convey the most

5301
03:36:38,399 --> 03:36:41,200
truthful information that I could. I

5302
03:36:41,200 --> 03:36:43,520
lost a close friend as a child to a dirt

5303
03:36:43,520 --> 03:36:46,160
bike accident. I don't want to shed pain

5304
03:36:46,160 --> 03:36:48,399
on anyone else. Thank you.

5305
03:36:48,399 --> 03:36:52,229
>> Thank you.

5306
03:36:52,239 --> 03:36:54,000
» Good evening, chairman and supervisors

5307
03:36:54,000 --> 03:36:56,000
of the board. My name is Karen Dinardy.

5308
03:36:56,000 --> 03:36:58,960
I live at 3289 Sparrow's Place in

5309
03:36:58,960 --> 03:37:01,520
District 4. I come to you with some

5310
03:37:01,520 --> 03:37:03,040
experience as a prior mortgage

5311
03:37:03,040 --> 03:37:04,640
underwriter and current compliance

5312
03:37:04,640 --> 03:37:07,120
adviser in the banking industry. There

5313
03:37:07,120 --> 03:37:09,760
is a process for anybody who purchases a

5314
03:37:09,760 --> 03:37:12,239
home, refinances a home, takes out a

5315
03:37:12,239 --> 03:37:14,319
home equity loan that will involve the

5316
03:37:14,319 --> 03:37:17,120
banking the bank determining if an

5317
03:37:17,120 --> 03:37:20,720
appraised value of the home is required.

5318
03:37:20,720 --> 03:37:24,000
Through this process, there is an option

5319
03:37:24,000 --> 03:37:27,920
that will result most likely with the

5320
03:37:27,920 --> 03:37:31,600
proposed motorsports park in a negative

5321
03:37:31,600 --> 03:37:34,800
valuation in comparison to other sales

5322
03:37:34,800 --> 03:37:37,520
in the area. It will be dependent upon

5323
03:37:37,520 --> 03:37:40,399
proximity to the pro property and where

5324
03:37:40,399 --> 03:37:42,800
the prior where the comparable sales

5325
03:37:42,800 --> 03:37:46,640
are. Given that our property is within

5326
03:37:46,640 --> 03:37:49,760
about a mile of the proposed property,

5327
03:37:49,760 --> 03:37:52,640
there is most likely a detriment to our

5328
03:37:52,640 --> 03:37:55,200
property value. That is not what I want

5329
03:37:55,200 --> 03:37:58,160
to see. I've worked very hard to obtain

5330
03:37:58,160 --> 03:38:00,640
what I own. I have lived in this county

5331
03:38:00,640 --> 03:38:04,319
for 18 years now. I call this my home. I

5332
03:38:04,319 --> 03:38:06,880
feel safe here. I moved from a home that

5333
03:38:06,880 --> 03:38:08,640
was burglarized.

5334
03:38:08,640 --> 03:38:12,319
This place made me feel safe again.

5335
03:38:12,319 --> 03:38:16,399
On a second note, there are choices. We

5336
03:38:16,399 --> 03:38:18,880
made a choice to purchase a property and

5337
03:38:18,880 --> 03:38:21,840
build a house in an area that was zoned

5338
03:38:21,840 --> 03:38:25,279
as residential and agricultural.

5339
03:38:25,279 --> 03:38:27,840
There's a difference between moving into

5340
03:38:27,840 --> 03:38:30,560
a location like that versus moving into

5341
03:38:30,560 --> 03:38:32,880
a location that already has a proposed

5342
03:38:32,880 --> 03:38:34,720
motorports park or already has a

5343
03:38:34,720 --> 03:38:37,359
motorsports park. The addition of a

5344
03:38:37,359 --> 03:38:39,760
motorsports park changes the landscape

5345
03:38:39,760 --> 03:38:41,520
of the area.

5346
03:38:41,520 --> 03:38:44,479
I ask and recommend that you agree with

5347
03:38:44,479 --> 03:38:46,479
the planning department and the planning

5348
03:38:46,479 --> 03:38:49,200
commission in denial of the cup. Thank

5349
03:38:49,200 --> 03:38:50,640
you for your time and service.

5350
03:38:50,640 --> 03:38:55,030
>> Thank you,

5351
03:38:55,040 --> 03:38:56,960
» Mr. Chairman, members of the board. I'm

5352
03:38:56,960 --> 03:38:59,760
Teresa Kelly, um, District 2. My husband

5353
03:38:59,760 --> 03:39:01,760
and I have enjoyed living our peaceful

5354
03:39:01,760 --> 03:39:03,600
in our peaceful neighborhood for 29

5355
03:39:03,600 --> 03:39:06,319
years this month. First, I want to thank

5356
03:39:06,319 --> 03:39:08,080
you for your dedication and service to

5357
03:39:08,080 --> 03:39:10,080
our county and for the unimaginable

5358
03:39:10,080 --> 03:39:12,720
amount of time, energy, and effort and

5359
03:39:12,720 --> 03:39:14,800
that you and the county staff have spent

5360
03:39:14,800 --> 03:39:18,319
on this application. I fully support the

5361
03:39:18,319 --> 03:39:20,479
recommendation to deny this request, and

5362
03:39:20,479 --> 03:39:23,200
I hope you do. Also, um I'm concerned

5363
03:39:23,200 --> 03:39:25,439
about potential accidents and increased

5364
03:39:25,439 --> 03:39:28,560
calls to our emergency services. While

5365
03:39:28,560 --> 03:39:31,120
motorsports park, powers sports parks

5366
03:39:31,120 --> 03:39:33,680
take precautions and put safety measures

5367
03:39:33,680 --> 03:39:37,359
in place and riders know the risks and

5368
03:39:37,359 --> 03:39:40,319
they sign waiverss. However, accidents

5369
03:39:40,319 --> 03:39:43,200
still happen at the Lake Anna location.

5370
03:39:43,200 --> 03:39:45,680
Track and trail use is strictly limited

5371
03:39:45,680 --> 03:39:48,640
to on-site renters, maxing out at 23

5372
03:39:48,640 --> 03:39:51,200
people. The owners hold an annual day

5373
03:39:51,200 --> 03:39:53,840
riding event over two days with 130

5374
03:39:53,840 --> 03:39:56,479
riders each day. Assuming the property

5375
03:39:56,479 --> 03:39:58,880
is rented at full capacity on average

5376
03:39:58,880 --> 03:40:01,520
four days a week for 51 weeks and they

5377
03:40:01,520 --> 03:40:04,800
hold the annual day event, it could see

5378
03:40:04,800 --> 03:40:08,880
5,472 riders per year. For this proposed

5379
03:40:08,880 --> 03:40:11,120
park, the applicants want to be open

5380
03:40:11,120 --> 03:40:14,560
Friday through Sunday for 42 weeks plus

5381
03:40:14,560 --> 03:40:17,680
seven federal holidays, maxing out at

5382
03:40:17,680 --> 03:40:20,000
150 riders per day. Plus, they want to

5383
03:40:20,000 --> 03:40:21,439
have three special events with

5384
03:40:21,439 --> 03:40:23,760
approximately 500 riders each day for

5385
03:40:23,760 --> 03:40:28,560
two days. That is 22,950

5386
03:40:28,560 --> 03:40:32,880
riders per year, a 400% more compared to

5387
03:40:32,880 --> 03:40:36,160
Lake Anna. In the past year, they've had

5388
03:40:36,160 --> 03:40:38,080
two emergency service calls to the

5389
03:40:38,080 --> 03:40:40,960
property. I reviewed the emergency logs.

5390
03:40:40,960 --> 03:40:43,120
One was a sidebyside rollover involving

5391
03:40:43,120 --> 03:40:45,920
two people, one with a head injury. Both

5392
03:40:45,920 --> 03:40:48,000
were transported toos to the local

5393
03:40:48,000 --> 03:40:51,359
hospitals. The other one was a call. It

5394
03:40:51,359 --> 03:40:54,560
was a head-on four-wheeler con collision

5395
03:40:54,560 --> 03:40:57,120
involving a 5-year-old. My heart sank

5396
03:40:57,120 --> 03:40:59,279
when I read this.

5397
03:40:59,279 --> 03:41:01,600
The dispatch record noted that someone

5398
03:41:01,600 --> 03:41:03,902
was screaming in the background, excuse

5399
03:41:03,902 --> 03:41:05,200
[clears throat] me, and the child

5400
03:41:05,200 --> 03:41:07,439
suffered lacerations to the forehead,

5401
03:41:07,439 --> 03:41:09,920
arms, legs, and behind the ear and bru

5402
03:41:09,920 --> 03:41:11,520
bruising and lacerations around the

5403
03:41:11,520 --> 03:41:13,920
chest area. That child was transported

5404
03:41:13,920 --> 03:41:16,479
to the hospital. I sincerely hope

5405
03:41:16,479 --> 03:41:18,399
everybody in each of those accidents

5406
03:41:18,399 --> 03:41:20,399
fully recovered. I mentioned these to

5407
03:41:20,399 --> 03:41:22,000
bring attention to the fact that safety

5408
03:41:22,000 --> 03:41:24,960
measures were in place. Precautions were

5409
03:41:24,960 --> 03:41:27,439
taken yet accidents still happen. How

5410
03:41:27,439 --> 03:41:29,520
many will happen here? Will poutine

5411
03:41:29,520 --> 03:41:31,600
emergency service have the capacity to

5412
03:41:31,600 --> 03:41:34,160
not only address an increase in calls on

5413
03:41:34,160 --> 03:41:36,479
local roads but also this park? For

5414
03:41:36,479 --> 03:41:37,760
these reasons and those that have

5415
03:41:37,760 --> 03:41:39,600
already stated, it is my hope that you

5416
03:41:39,600 --> 03:41:41,760
will also support the recommendation to

5417
03:41:41,760 --> 03:41:44,080
deny this request. Thank you again for

5418
03:41:44,080 --> 03:41:45,680
your dedication and service to our

5419
03:41:45,680 --> 03:41:46,720
county.

5420
03:41:46,720 --> 03:41:52,790
>> Thank you.

5421
03:41:52,800 --> 03:41:53,840
Good [clears throat] evening, chairman

5422
03:41:53,840 --> 03:41:56,080
and members of the board of supervisors.

5423
03:41:56,080 --> 03:41:58,160
My name is Matt Fischer. I live in

5424
03:41:58,160 --> 03:42:01,680
District 2. I own Plat 10, 945 River

5425
03:42:01,680 --> 03:42:03,120
States Court, and I'm here to

5426
03:42:03,120 --> 03:42:06,399
respectfully oppose case number 26-3 cup

5427
03:42:06,399 --> 03:42:08,880
as currently conditioned.

5428
03:42:08,880 --> 03:42:11,200
My concern is straightforward. The cup

5429
03:42:11,200 --> 03:42:12,800
appears to require the loss or

5430
03:42:12,800 --> 03:42:14,880
dedication of more than an acre of my

5431
03:42:14,880 --> 03:42:16,640
private property. So, a private

5432
03:42:16,640 --> 03:42:18,960
commercial motorsports facility can

5433
03:42:18,960 --> 03:42:21,520
obtain roadway access it does not

5434
03:42:21,520 --> 03:42:24,000
currently have.

5435
03:42:24,000 --> 03:42:26,080
That is significant burden on one

5436
03:42:26,080 --> 03:42:28,720
landowner for the benefit of a private

5437
03:42:28,720 --> 03:42:30,399
applicant.

5438
03:42:30,399 --> 03:42:32,160
I understand my plat states that the

5439
03:42:32,160 --> 03:42:34,239
land is subject to public dedication,

5440
03:42:34,239 --> 03:42:35,840
but that language should not be treated

5441
03:42:35,840 --> 03:42:38,479
as a blank check to compel the transfer

5442
03:42:38,479 --> 03:42:40,239
of private property whenever a

5443
03:42:40,239 --> 03:42:43,120
commercial project needs infrastructure.

5444
03:42:43,120 --> 03:42:45,840
Any taking or dedication should serve a

5445
03:42:45,840 --> 03:42:47,680
legitimate public purpose, follow a

5446
03:42:47,680 --> 03:42:49,760
clear legal process, include

5447
03:42:49,760 --> 03:42:52,080
compensation where required, and be

5448
03:42:52,080 --> 03:42:55,439
proportional to the proposed use.

5449
03:42:55,439 --> 03:42:57,359
Because the dedication of my property

5450
03:42:57,359 --> 03:42:59,520
appears to be a requirement of this cup,

5451
03:42:59,520 --> 03:43:02,160
I requested a step-by-step explanation

5452
03:43:02,160 --> 03:43:05,120
of how the county attends to acquire it

5453
03:43:05,120 --> 03:43:09,120
for a public road to be adopted by VOTE.

5454
03:43:09,120 --> 03:43:16,160
I have not received a response.

5455
03:43:16,160 --> 03:43:18,000
that raises serious concerns about

5456
03:43:18,000 --> 03:43:20,399
notice, due process, public purpose,

5457
03:43:20,399 --> 03:43:22,080
compensation, and whether this condition

5458
03:43:22,080 --> 03:43:25,199
is legally supportable. I don't know.

5459
03:43:25,199 --> 03:43:27,359
The impact is real. If the dedication

5460
03:43:27,359 --> 03:43:29,359
occurs, I lose more than an acre of

5461
03:43:29,359 --> 03:43:31,439
land. I fall below the 10acre threshold

5462
03:43:31,439 --> 03:43:34,239
for my A10 zoning. I lose acreage,

5463
03:43:34,239 --> 03:43:36,080
property value, future land use,

5464
03:43:36,080 --> 03:43:38,560
flexibility, and the zoning expectations

5465
03:43:38,560 --> 03:43:40,319
that existed when I purchased the

5466
03:43:40,319 --> 03:43:42,720
property. At the same time, nearby

5467
03:43:42,720 --> 03:43:44,399
residents in the county will absorb the

5468
03:43:44,399 --> 03:43:47,439
impacts of use increas incre increased

5469
03:43:47,439 --> 03:43:50,319
traffic, roadware, noise, emergency

5470
03:43:50,319 --> 03:43:52,479
response demands, enforcement concerns,

5471
03:43:52,479 --> 03:43:54,800
and neighborhood disruption with no

5472
03:43:54,800 --> 03:43:56,960
clear showing that the public benefit

5473
03:43:56,960 --> 03:43:59,279
offsets those burdens.

5474
03:43:59,279 --> 03:44:01,520
This also creates a dangerous precedent.

5475
03:44:01,520 --> 03:44:03,600
If the county can condition approval of

5476
03:44:03,600 --> 03:44:05,439
a private commercial project on the

5477
03:44:05,439 --> 03:44:07,840
transfer or loss of neighboring owners

5478
03:44:07,840 --> 03:44:10,239
land without first providing a clear

5479
03:44:10,239 --> 03:44:12,479
legal process and justification, any

5480
03:44:12,479 --> 03:44:14,160
rural land owner could face the same

5481
03:44:14,160 --> 03:44:16,880
situation when an applicant needs access

5482
03:44:16,880 --> 03:44:18,960
to infrastructure.

5483
03:44:18,960 --> 03:44:20,880
I respectfully ask the board to deny

5484
03:44:20,880 --> 03:44:24,239
case number 26-3 cup or a minimum remove

5485
03:44:24,239 --> 03:44:26,239
any condition that depends on taking

5486
03:44:26,239 --> 03:44:28,640
dedicating a burden in my property for

5487
03:44:28,640 --> 03:44:30,880
the private commercial use. If the

5488
03:44:30,880 --> 03:44:32,239
project cannot function without

5489
03:44:32,239 --> 03:44:34,080
acquiring adjoining land and damaging

5490
03:44:34,080 --> 03:44:36,160
existing property rights, it has not met

5491
03:44:36,160 --> 03:44:38,479
its burden for approval. Private

5492
03:44:38,479 --> 03:44:39,840
property should not be the price of

5493
03:44:39,840 --> 03:44:41,439
admission for a private motorsports

5494
03:44:41,439 --> 03:44:43,920
park. Please protect Powatan land owners

5495
03:44:43,920 --> 03:44:46,399
A10 zoning and my property rights by

5496
03:44:46,399 --> 03:44:48,640
refusing to let the cup move forward on

5497
03:44:48,640 --> 03:44:51,199
the assumption that my land can be taken

5498
03:44:51,199 --> 03:44:53,600
or used for access without a clear legal

5499
03:44:53,600 --> 03:44:57,359
process and lawful public justification.

5500
03:44:57,359 --> 03:44:58,960
Thank you for your time, your service,

5501
03:44:58,960 --> 03:45:00,800
and your consideration.

5502
03:45:00,800 --> 03:45:05,830
>> Thank you.

5503
03:45:05,840 --> 03:45:08,880
» Hello, I'm Milton Weatherhead at 935

5504
03:45:08,880 --> 03:45:11,199
River Estates Court.

5505
03:45:11,199 --> 03:45:13,120
Um,

5506
03:45:13,120 --> 03:45:15,840
last month in the uh committee meeting,

5507
03:45:15,840 --> 03:45:19,040
there was a jaw-dropping moment.

5508
03:45:19,040 --> 03:45:21,439
Okay. somebody that we didn't know from

5509
03:45:21,439 --> 03:45:25,120
Palatan that attended that meeting and

5510
03:45:25,120 --> 03:45:31,359
he shared with us that um his house, his

5511
03:45:31,359 --> 03:45:34,479
trees, okay, were receiving bullets from

5512
03:45:34,479 --> 03:45:37,359
across the river uh from Amelia Wildlife

5513
03:45:37,359 --> 03:45:39,120
Refuge.

5514
03:45:39,120 --> 03:45:40,880
Now,

5515
03:45:40,880 --> 03:45:42,800
I don't know any parent that wants to

5516
03:45:42,800 --> 03:45:44,319
see,

5517
03:45:44,319 --> 03:45:47,359
you know, a child, even though it's a

5518
03:45:47,359 --> 03:45:50,720
family event, you wounded or or shot

5519
03:45:50,720 --> 03:45:54,319
down or or killed. I don't know of a of

5520
03:45:54,319 --> 03:45:57,359
a government official that would like to

5521
03:45:57,359 --> 03:46:00,960
set something up, the risk of a child or

5522
03:46:00,960 --> 03:46:04,800
some adult being killed. And when I saw

5523
03:46:04,800 --> 03:46:09,040
the maps today and how close that was, I

5524
03:46:09,040 --> 03:46:10,720
thought it was important that you

5525
03:46:10,720 --> 03:46:13,199
understand that uh they've already

5526
03:46:13,199 --> 03:46:16,479
cleared out many of the trees.

5527
03:46:16,479 --> 03:46:19,520
So those bullets from the hunters and

5528
03:46:19,520 --> 03:46:23,600
Amelia that missed the deer are going

5529
03:46:23,600 --> 03:46:26,319
straight across the river into that

5530
03:46:26,319 --> 03:46:32,239
area. Okay, this it's a this is in some

5531
03:46:32,239 --> 03:46:36,720
cases a life or death decision and I I

5532
03:46:36,720 --> 03:46:41,120
oppose the uh proceeding

5533
03:46:41,120 --> 03:46:44,720
for this this uh whatever they call it.

5534
03:46:44,720 --> 03:46:46,560
But uh thank you.

5535
03:46:46,560 --> 03:46:51,510
>> Thank you.

5536
03:46:51,520 --> 03:46:54,479
» Good evening. Peter Shrivever, 916 Rocky

5537
03:46:54,479 --> 03:46:58,479
Ford Road, District 2. I oppose the uh

5538
03:46:58,479 --> 03:47:01,359
cup as it's been put together at this

5539
03:47:01,359 --> 03:47:03,439
point. It strikes me as being a little

5540
03:47:03,439 --> 03:47:04,800
bit like some of these bills in

5541
03:47:04,800 --> 03:47:07,120
Washington where you have to pass the

5542
03:47:07,120 --> 03:47:09,920
bill to figure out what's actually in it

5543
03:47:09,920 --> 03:47:11,680
because we don't really know how we're

5544
03:47:11,680 --> 03:47:13,359
going to access the property. There

5545
03:47:13,359 --> 03:47:15,120
seems to be some questions that we just

5546
03:47:15,120 --> 03:47:17,520
heard from the previous gentleman's. We

5547
03:47:17,520 --> 03:47:18,960
have questions about the road

5548
03:47:18,960 --> 03:47:20,960
conditions. We've talked to VOD a little

5549
03:47:20,960 --> 03:47:23,600
bit about it, but we don't know is Rocky

5550
03:47:23,600 --> 03:47:25,760
Ford Road going to be a safe turning

5551
03:47:25,760 --> 03:47:28,640
access onto River Estates Road from

5552
03:47:28,640 --> 03:47:30,720
either direction. I pull a 30-foot

5553
03:47:30,720 --> 03:47:33,760
camper and I live on Rocky Ford Road. I

5554
03:47:33,760 --> 03:47:36,000
always make a left turn no matter what

5555
03:47:36,000 --> 03:47:38,160
direction I'm my final direction is

5556
03:47:38,160 --> 03:47:41,600
going to be to my destination. But I

5557
03:47:41,600 --> 03:47:43,680
make a left turn, get down to Jennato

5558
03:47:43,680 --> 03:47:46,160
Road, so I can use roads like Dorset

5559
03:47:46,160 --> 03:47:47,920
Road that are a little bit less twisty

5560
03:47:47,920 --> 03:47:50,560
and turny than Rocky Ford just for

5561
03:47:50,560 --> 03:47:54,399
safety. I think I can keep my trailer on

5562
03:47:54,399 --> 03:47:56,239
Rocky Ford Road on the correct side of

5563
03:47:56,239 --> 03:47:58,640
the road. Seems to be some people in

5564
03:47:58,640 --> 03:48:00,479
Powatin that have a little difficulty

5565
03:48:00,479 --> 03:48:02,800
with that once in a while.

5566
03:48:02,800 --> 03:48:05,760
Uh then we also have the impression that

5567
03:48:05,760 --> 03:48:07,359
sometimes it seems like we're going to

5568
03:48:07,359 --> 03:48:10,640
have Granny from uh uh what was the

5569
03:48:10,640 --> 03:48:13,760
show? But anyway, Granny who was always

5570
03:48:13,760 --> 03:48:15,680
you sort of like this little meek mild

5571
03:48:15,680 --> 03:48:19,120
lady driving a four-wheeler on the

5572
03:48:19,120 --> 03:48:20,720
property and it's going to be a nice

5573
03:48:20,720 --> 03:48:22,960
quiet little activity.

5574
03:48:22,960 --> 03:48:26,080
The problem I have with that analysis is

5575
03:48:26,080 --> 03:48:28,160
although they have to keep very careful

5576
03:48:28,160 --> 03:48:32,399
records of the number of vehicles on the

5577
03:48:32,399 --> 03:48:34,800
property, they don't have a check-in

5578
03:48:34,800 --> 03:48:37,040
procedure that says we're going to

5579
03:48:37,040 --> 03:48:39,760
enforce. And I suspect that and and

5580
03:48:39,760 --> 03:48:43,520
trust the applicants will at some level,

5581
03:48:43,520 --> 03:48:46,000
but it says that there'll be no modified

5582
03:48:46,000 --> 03:48:48,479
exhaust systems. It'll be manufacturer

5583
03:48:48,479 --> 03:48:50,880
specifications. I did a quick check on

5584
03:48:50,880 --> 03:48:53,680
Amazon for motorcycle aftermarket

5585
03:48:53,680 --> 03:48:57,359
motorcycle exhaust, found 945 and just

5586
03:48:57,359 --> 03:48:59,760
hitting it once. So, how do you make

5587
03:48:59,760 --> 03:49:02,640
that determination? Is there an exhaust

5588
03:49:02,640 --> 03:49:04,720
or is there not? Now, I'm sure without

5589
03:49:04,720 --> 03:49:08,080
the exhaust, you'll know it quick.

5590
03:49:08,080 --> 03:49:10,080
But is the enforcement going to be

5591
03:49:10,080 --> 03:49:13,840
calling up the county police sheriff's

5592
03:49:13,840 --> 03:49:15,760
office and saying, "Hey, we think

5593
03:49:15,760 --> 03:49:18,479
there's some noisy vehicles down there.

5594
03:49:18,479 --> 03:49:20,319
Apparently, there's no requirement at

5595
03:49:20,319 --> 03:49:22,479
this point that you do recordkeeping on

5596
03:49:22,479 --> 03:49:25,840
that. And we all need therapy. I agree

5597
03:49:25,840 --> 03:49:29,680
with that. Obviously, I need some

5598
03:49:29,680 --> 03:49:33,279
uh I do it by pulling it going out of my

5599
03:49:33,279 --> 03:49:36,080
driveway, making a left turn, running up

5600
03:49:36,080 --> 03:49:39,760
the road, using my two feet. I do it by

5601
03:49:39,760 --> 03:49:41,680
going over to the power tan pool and

5602
03:49:41,680 --> 03:49:44,080
swimming. I also do it every morning.

5603
03:49:44,080 --> 03:49:46,080
The dogs jump in bed and say, "Come on,

5604
03:49:46,080 --> 03:49:47,840
Dad. Let's go for a walk out in the

5605
03:49:47,840 --> 03:49:50,560
field. And we walk around my 6 and 1/2

5606
03:49:50,560 --> 03:49:52,720
acre field that I fenced in one post at

5607
03:49:52,720 --> 03:49:56,000
a time. And that's some of my therapy. I

5608
03:49:56,000 --> 03:50:01,600
can hear the traffic on Janitor Road.

5609
03:50:01,600 --> 03:50:03,760
Every morning when I'm doing that,

5610
03:50:03,760 --> 03:50:07,199
that's how quiet the area can be. I will

5611
03:50:07,199 --> 03:50:10,640
hear throttle therapy.

5612
03:50:10,640 --> 03:50:13,600
My footsteps aren't that noisy. Thank

5613
03:50:13,600 --> 03:50:18,790
you.

5614
03:50:18,800 --> 03:50:21,199
Good evening. Kelly Crockett, District

5615
03:50:21,199 --> 03:50:24,720
5, Carterville Road. I'm here tonight to

5616
03:50:24,720 --> 03:50:26,720
ask you to deny this conditional use

5617
03:50:26,720 --> 03:50:29,439
permit. If this cup application is

5618
03:50:29,439 --> 03:50:31,920
approved, even with the proposed

5619
03:50:31,920 --> 03:50:34,640
condition requiring upgrades to the road

5620
03:50:34,640 --> 03:50:38,319
and bridge to VOTE standards, you are

5621
03:50:38,319 --> 03:50:41,120
essentially permitting a property rights

5622
03:50:41,120 --> 03:50:44,160
dispute and exposing the county to

5623
03:50:44,160 --> 03:50:45,840
litigation.

5624
03:50:45,840 --> 03:50:48,160
Additionally, Powan County's current

5625
03:50:48,160 --> 03:50:51,120
noise ordinance reads in part, "Sound

5626
03:50:51,120 --> 03:50:54,640
produced by any motorbike, motorcycle,

5627
03:50:54,640 --> 03:50:57,920
ATV, or by any other machine or device

5628
03:50:57,920 --> 03:51:00,720
in such a manner or with such volume or

5629
03:51:00,720 --> 03:51:03,439
duration that it is plainly audible at a

5630
03:51:03,439 --> 03:51:06,800
distance of 150 ft or more from the

5631
03:51:06,800 --> 03:51:09,760
sound source, or inside the confines of

5632
03:51:09,760 --> 03:51:12,319
a dwelling unit, house, or apartment of

5633
03:51:12,319 --> 03:51:14,239
another person, or plainly audible

5634
03:51:14,239 --> 03:51:15,680
within a

5635
03:51:15,680 --> 03:51:19,040
business or place of worship

5636
03:51:19,040 --> 03:51:21,199
is prohibited.

5637
03:51:21,199 --> 03:51:24,399
Um, I'm so excited for this to end

5638
03:51:24,399 --> 03:51:26,800
tonight.

5639
03:51:26,800 --> 03:51:30,399
Please deny this application. Thank you.

5640
03:51:30,399 --> 03:51:35,510
>> Thank you.

5641
03:51:35,520 --> 03:51:37,520
» Howdy. I'm [clears throat] just some guy

5642
03:51:37,520 --> 03:51:41,359
from District 2. Um, I have a a thing

5643
03:51:41,359 --> 03:51:42,880
I've been listening to everybody talking

5644
03:51:42,880 --> 03:51:46,720
tonight is there it sounds like there um

5645
03:51:46,720 --> 03:51:52,160
is a lot of things that would that come up

5646
03:51:52,160 --> 03:51:54,319
to me as progression risk to be able to

5647
03:51:54,319 --> 03:51:56,960
think through of um a proven something

5648
03:51:56,960 --> 03:51:59,760
like this like a a lot of um downstream

5649
03:51:59,760 --> 03:52:01,439
effects that would happen not only now

5650
03:52:01,439 --> 03:52:04,239
but over the next proposed um 15 years.

5651
03:52:04,239 --> 03:52:05,920
I I can only assume that these were

5652
03:52:05,920 --> 03:52:07,840
things the um planning committee had

5653
03:52:07,840 --> 03:52:10,239
gone over. I've tried to look online and

5654
03:52:10,239 --> 03:52:12,319
it says like I'm citing noise and

5655
03:52:12,319 --> 03:52:15,920
environmental concerns. Um this is

5656
03:52:15,920 --> 03:52:17,920
somewhat of a um a question. I don't

5657
03:52:17,920 --> 03:52:19,439
know if anybody here could point me in

5658
03:52:19,439 --> 03:52:20,880
the right direction. Is is there any

5659
03:52:20,880 --> 03:52:22,399
actual like report that they've put

5660
03:52:22,399 --> 03:52:24,640
together that would have this kind of

5661
03:52:24,640 --> 03:52:26,239
compiled this information. It's the same

5662
03:52:26,239 --> 03:52:28,399
concerns seen coming up over and over

5663
03:52:28,399 --> 03:52:30,080
where it's been kind of thought through

5664
03:52:30,080 --> 03:52:33,040
and say this is our um you know this is

5665
03:52:33,040 --> 03:52:36,640
what we hear as what your concerns are.

5666
03:52:36,640 --> 03:52:38,239
um this is the impact that it would

5667
03:52:38,239 --> 03:52:40,239
have. This is what we would plan to do

5668
03:52:40,239 --> 03:52:42,479
on to mitigate it. These are things that

5669
03:52:42,479 --> 03:52:44,800
are still outstanding. These are things

5670
03:52:44,800 --> 03:52:47,120
that we just don't know. Like is there

5671
03:52:47,120 --> 03:52:49,439
anywhere that this has been compiled to

5672
03:52:49,439 --> 03:52:52,319
where this information would be

5673
03:52:52,319 --> 03:52:55,429
available

5674
03:52:55,439 --> 03:53:01,110
anybody in I mean I'd be willing.

5675
03:53:01,120 --> 03:53:02,960
» No. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, thank

5676
03:53:02,960 --> 03:53:05,120
you. If anybody's got that information,

5677
03:53:05,120 --> 03:53:11,189
I would be more than ask.

5678
03:53:11,199 --> 03:53:13,920
» Mike Chris, District 4.

5679
03:53:13,920 --> 03:53:17,990
Uh,

5680
03:53:18,000 --> 03:53:21,120
I work in Mechanicsville.

5681
03:53:21,120 --> 03:53:25,359
I started watching this when it started.

5682
03:53:25,359 --> 03:53:27,600
When this issue was brought up, I sat

5683
03:53:27,600 --> 03:53:29,680
there and I watched the gentlemen come

5684
03:53:29,680 --> 03:53:34,399
up and made their passionate plea.

5685
03:53:34,399 --> 03:53:36,399
But everything I've watched and listened

5686
03:53:36,399 --> 03:53:42,070
to on the hour drive back here.

5687
03:53:42,080 --> 03:53:44,319
If you're a Washington politician,

5688
03:53:44,319 --> 03:53:46,880
approve it.

5689
03:53:46,880 --> 03:53:50,000
But if you are listening to your

5690
03:53:50,000 --> 03:53:51,680
constituents,

5691
03:53:51,680 --> 03:53:54,160
the people that put you where you are

5692
03:53:54,160 --> 03:53:57,910
now,

5693
03:53:57,920 --> 03:54:02,560
and you have not lied to them,

5694
03:54:02,560 --> 03:54:05,279
then deny this request.

5695
03:54:05,279 --> 03:54:11,510
>> Thank you.

5696
03:54:11,520 --> 03:54:13,279
» I don't public speak either, so bear

5697
03:54:13,279 --> 03:54:15,920
with me. My name is Judy Carter, 969

5698
03:54:15,920 --> 03:54:19,120
Rocky Ford Road. My driveway is the

5699
03:54:19,120 --> 03:54:22,239
access road. My house can see the access

5700
03:54:22,239 --> 03:54:25,920
road. I hear every vehicle that goes

5701
03:54:25,920 --> 03:54:28,720
down that road. I heard the hunters that

5702
03:54:28,720 --> 03:54:30,399
went down that road. And that's when the

5703
03:54:30,399 --> 03:54:33,040
ground was fully covered with trees. I

5704
03:54:33,040 --> 03:54:38,560
heard the loggers. I heard them all. The noise that they produced on their

5705
03:54:38,560 --> 03:54:42,560
test runs was unbearable. The dust that

5706
03:54:42,560 --> 03:54:46,720
will come my way will be unbearable.

5707
03:54:46,720 --> 03:54:48,880
I'm asking you to deny this. I've lived

5708
03:54:48,880 --> 03:54:50,800
in this county all my life and on that

5709
03:54:50,800 --> 03:54:54,640
property 40 years. Lots has changed and

5710
03:54:54,640 --> 03:54:57,199
things will change, but this is not the

5711
03:54:57,199 --> 03:55:00,479
right change. And signs have disappeared

5712
03:55:00,479 --> 03:55:04,239
on ours too saying no motor parts. So,

5713
03:55:04,239 --> 03:55:05,840
nobody's picking up signs and they're

5714
03:55:05,840 --> 03:55:08,319
probably just kids acting out. But the

5715
03:55:08,319 --> 03:55:11,279
fact of the matter is my therapy on my

5716
03:55:11,279 --> 03:55:14,239
property is quiet.

5717
03:55:14,239 --> 03:55:16,800
I don't mind an occasional car. I will

5718
03:55:16,800 --> 03:55:21,040
hear 150 Friday, Saturday, and Sunday,

5719
03:55:21,040 --> 03:55:25,600
and on holidays. That is not fair to me.

5720
03:55:25,600 --> 03:55:27,520
Please vote no.

5721
03:55:27,520 --> 03:55:41,189
>> Thank you.

5722
03:55:41,199 --> 03:55:45,040
Curtis Gaunt, 3285 Sparrow's Place. My

5723
03:55:45,040 --> 03:55:46,560
neighbor Karen's over there. My other

5724
03:55:46,560 --> 03:55:48,640
neighbor John's over here. Worried about

5725
03:55:48,640 --> 03:55:51,199
property values for sure. We heard a lot

5726
03:55:51,199 --> 03:55:54,640
about their presentation about uh you

5727
03:55:54,640 --> 03:55:56,720
know, making memories and families and

5728
03:55:56,720 --> 03:55:58,080
that type of thing. And I think that's

5729
03:55:58,080 --> 03:56:02,000
what the lady just said right here. This

5730
03:56:02,000 --> 03:56:03,840
is our families. This is our memories

5731
03:56:03,840 --> 03:56:06,560
and our weekends and our holidays and I

5732
03:56:06,560 --> 03:56:08,080
have Thanksgiving in my house and

5733
03:56:08,080 --> 03:56:10,080
everybody comes and they marvel at Look

5734
03:56:10,080 --> 03:56:11,920
at everything. It's quiet out here. It's

5735
03:56:11,920 --> 03:56:13,520
so quiet. This is great. Look at the

5736
03:56:13,520 --> 03:56:16,960
animals out here. This isn't right. I'm

5737
03:56:16,960 --> 03:56:19,199
in the blast zone, not circle or we're

5738
03:56:19,199 --> 03:56:21,279
just outside, right? Depends on who's

5739
03:56:21,279 --> 03:56:24,080
drawing the lines. But I don't want to

5740
03:56:24,080 --> 03:56:25,279
hear it. I don't want to smell it. I

5741
03:56:25,279 --> 03:56:26,640
don't want to drive around the traffic

5742
03:56:26,640 --> 03:56:29,040
that that road can't handle. I don't

5743
03:56:29,040 --> 03:56:32,640
want to have it in my water. Um, I don't

5744
03:56:32,640 --> 03:56:34,640
have anything against ATVs or the people

5745
03:56:34,640 --> 03:56:37,520
that ride them. Uh, I don't have

5746
03:56:37,520 --> 03:56:39,920
anything about uh people making

5747
03:56:39,920 --> 03:56:41,600
memories. I'm all about that. That's why

5748
03:56:41,600 --> 03:56:44,319
I'm here. That's why we're in Pow Town.

5749
03:56:44,319 --> 03:56:46,960
Um, I'm all for freedom like that guy

5750
03:56:46,960 --> 03:56:50,720
said. But this is not the right place.

5751
03:56:50,720 --> 03:56:51,680
Thank you.

5752
03:56:51,680 --> 03:57:10,630
>> Thank you.

5753
03:57:10,640 --> 03:57:12,560
My name is Lori Malcolm. I'm Judy

5754
03:57:12,560 --> 03:57:15,680
Carter's sister, Betty Jane's cousin,

5755
03:57:15,680 --> 03:57:18,479
and we're from the heritage of how this

5756
03:57:18,479 --> 03:57:21,279
whole property got started. There are

5757
03:57:21,279 --> 03:57:23,520
about 50 of us still that live in the

5758
03:57:23,520 --> 03:57:25,920
county, still have raised their children

5759
03:57:25,920 --> 03:57:28,000
in the county, some have stayed in the

5760
03:57:28,000 --> 03:57:29,600
county, some's gone to surrounding

5761
03:57:29,600 --> 03:57:31,359
counties, but just as the previous

5762
03:57:31,359 --> 03:57:34,640
customer or client or taxpayer, whatever

5763
03:57:34,640 --> 03:57:37,920
we're called, um, has stated, we have

5764
03:57:37,920 --> 03:57:40,160
our holidays here. We have our children

5765
03:57:40,160 --> 03:57:43,439
here. We stand, Judy and myself stand to

5766
03:57:43,439 --> 03:57:46,160
inherit property right next to our

5767
03:57:46,160 --> 03:57:48,319
father owns property still there that we

5768
03:57:48,319 --> 03:57:51,040
jumped off of a rope into the creek into

5769
03:57:51,040 --> 03:57:53,439
the Applamics River and our memories are

5770
03:57:53,439 --> 03:57:55,680
here. We know that things change. We

5771
03:57:55,680 --> 03:57:57,840
know that you as representatives see

5772
03:57:57,840 --> 03:58:00,160
change and we know it's getting to be a

5773
03:58:00,160 --> 03:58:02,080
late night. I thought that my father of

5774
03:58:02,080 --> 03:58:03,840
85 was going to come up and close the

5775
03:58:03,840 --> 03:58:06,319
meeting, but I think he's probably said

5776
03:58:06,319 --> 03:58:07,760
things in other meetings that I haven't

5777
03:58:07,760 --> 03:58:10,399
been able to stay to meet. He is the

5778
03:58:10,399 --> 03:58:13,439
oldest of our family heritage right now

5779
03:58:13,439 --> 03:58:16,800
and he is here tonight. However, he

5780
03:58:16,800 --> 03:58:18,560
probably feels like it's all been said.

5781
03:58:18,560 --> 03:58:21,359
What I don't think has been said is all

5782
03:58:21,359 --> 03:58:23,439
of us that were born in this county have

5783
03:58:23,439 --> 03:58:25,520
lived in this county. We want the county

5784
03:58:25,520 --> 03:58:27,439
to remain as country as it can for as

5785
03:58:27,439 --> 03:58:30,239
long as it can. And of course, all of

5786
03:58:30,239 --> 03:58:32,160
us, as previous people spoke, I'm a big

5787
03:58:32,160 --> 03:58:34,640
motorcycle rider myself and horses and

5788
03:58:34,640 --> 03:58:37,359
every other outdoor activity. Water is

5789
03:58:37,359 --> 03:58:40,960
my friend. I we we have a lot of things

5790
03:58:40,960 --> 03:58:42,880
going on in this county that I don't

5791
03:58:42,880 --> 03:58:44,560
think the throttle therapy group knows

5792
03:58:44,560 --> 03:58:46,239
about because obviously they didn't

5793
03:58:46,239 --> 03:58:47,680
listen to the beginning of the meeting

5794
03:58:47,680 --> 03:58:49,199
of all the wonderful outings that we

5795
03:58:49,199 --> 03:58:51,120
have available to the county. I think

5796
03:58:51,120 --> 03:58:53,760
it's a wonderful idea but not for this

5797
03:58:53,760 --> 03:58:57,040
county. Thank you for your service.

5798
03:58:57,040 --> 03:59:01,269
>> Thank you.

5799
03:59:01,279 --> 03:59:03,354
» Yes, Daddy.

5800
03:59:03,354 --> 03:59:04,640
[laughter]

5801
03:59:04,640 --> 03:59:09,895
>> He'd like to speak from back there.

5802
03:59:09,905 --> 03:59:11,439
» [laughter]

5803
03:59:11,439 --> 03:59:15,030
>> Understood.

5804
03:59:15,040 --> 03:59:17,199
» Anybody else?

5805
03:59:17,199 --> 03:59:19,760
>> Yeah, I'll try.

5806
03:59:19,760 --> 03:59:25,189
>> Get up.

5807
03:59:25,199 --> 03:59:27,760
» I hate speaking. I'm nervous. My name is

5808
03:59:27,760 --> 03:59:30,160
David Kelly. I live at 925 River States

5809
03:59:30,160 --> 03:59:32,560
Court with my wife who's here tonight.

5810
03:59:32,560 --> 03:59:34,479
sure by now that the board is well aware

5811
03:59:34,479 --> 03:59:36,319
of all the many concerns that have been

5812
03:59:36,319 --> 03:59:37,920
presented concerning the proposed

5813
03:59:37,920 --> 03:59:40,560
motorsports park noise in the traffic

5814
03:59:40,560 --> 03:59:41,920
and all the other things that have been

5815
03:59:41,920 --> 03:59:44,319
mentioned. So I do not want to address

5816
03:59:44,319 --> 03:59:46,880
that. What I do want to talk about is

5817
03:59:46,880 --> 03:59:48,319
the people who have expressed these

5818
03:59:48,319 --> 03:59:50,640
concerns concerns that they're very

5819
03:59:50,640 --> 03:59:53,359
passionate about

5820
03:59:53,359 --> 03:59:55,120
uh the individuals who will be affected

5821
03:59:55,120 --> 03:59:57,439
in inconvenience the most by this park

5822
03:59:57,439 --> 04:00:00,560
on a daily and an hourly basis. These

5823
04:00:00,560 --> 04:00:02,080
are people who choose to live where they

5824
04:00:02,080 --> 04:00:04,160
built their homes because of the peace

5825
04:00:04,160 --> 04:00:07,359
and tranquility of Palatan County. Many

5826
04:00:07,359 --> 04:00:08,800
of them have lived on their properties

5827
04:00:08,800 --> 04:00:11,359
for decades. Some of the lands been

5828
04:00:11,359 --> 04:00:13,680
passed down through generations.

5829
04:00:13,680 --> 04:00:15,279
Most of the people expressing these

5830
04:00:15,279 --> 04:00:17,279
concern live within a two-mile radius of

5831
04:00:17,279 --> 04:00:19,520
the proposed location.

5832
04:00:19,520 --> 04:00:21,279
It will most definitely have a severe

5833
04:00:21,279 --> 04:00:24,080
effect on their daily lives. My entire

5834
04:00:24,080 --> 04:00:25,760
neighborhood is well within this 2-m

5835
04:00:25,760 --> 04:00:28,479
radius. There are also two businesses

5836
04:00:28,479 --> 04:00:30,720
currently operating in close proximity

5837
04:00:30,720 --> 04:00:32,880
that will surely suffer if this park is

5838
04:00:32,880 --> 04:00:35,120
allowed. I believe there are somewhere

5839
04:00:35,120 --> 04:00:37,359
in the neighborhood of well over 350

5840
04:00:37,359 --> 04:00:40,080
individuals who have signed a petition

5841
04:00:40,080 --> 04:00:42,640
opposing this park. Most live within

5842
04:00:42,640 --> 04:00:45,520
this two-m radius. Several surrounding

5843
04:00:45,520 --> 04:00:47,199
neighborhoods have also come together

5844
04:00:47,199 --> 04:00:50,000
with a powerful voice in opposition.

5845
04:00:50,000 --> 04:00:52,000
This includes residents in the county of

5846
04:00:52,000 --> 04:00:54,080
Amelia as well.

5847
04:00:54,080 --> 04:00:57,600
The message of many is always the same.

5848
04:00:57,600 --> 04:00:59,920
This type of activity in our rural area

5849
04:00:59,920 --> 04:01:02,640
of Palatan will jeopardize the solitude

5850
04:01:02,640 --> 04:01:05,439
of quiet country living. It will surely

5851
04:01:05,439 --> 04:01:08,080
destroy some of it. I know there are

5852
04:01:08,080 --> 04:01:09,600
those who would love to have this become

5853
04:01:09,600 --> 04:01:11,920
a reality. I wonder how many of these

5854
04:01:11,920 --> 04:01:14,319
live in this two-mile radius. I wonder

5855
04:01:14,319 --> 04:01:16,479
if they would still welcome it if it

5856
04:01:16,479 --> 04:01:19,600
also inconvenience their daily lives.

5857
04:01:19,600 --> 04:01:21,439
I've heard that the applicant was quoted

5858
04:01:21,439 --> 04:01:23,279
as saying that sometimes there has to be

5859
04:01:23,279 --> 04:01:26,160
sacrifices. Yes, we all have to have

5860
04:01:26,160 --> 04:01:30,000
sacrifices in our lives.

5861
04:01:30,000 --> 04:01:32,399
My question is why should the residents

5862
04:01:32,399 --> 04:01:35,359
of this quiet community sacrifice what

5863
04:01:35,359 --> 04:01:37,439
we have all come to work for and love is

5864
04:01:37,439 --> 04:01:40,160
home. I and many others think that there

5865
04:01:40,160 --> 04:01:42,960
is any sacrifice to be suffered here, it

5866
04:01:42,960 --> 04:01:44,640
should not be the residents of this

5867
04:01:44,640 --> 04:01:46,080
community.

5868
04:01:46,080 --> 04:01:48,000
I would hope that as board members you

5869
04:01:48,000 --> 04:01:50,000
will take into consideration the human

5870
04:01:50,000 --> 04:01:53,040
factor in your decision making. Is this

5871
04:01:53,040 --> 04:01:55,920
proposal right for Palatan County? Is

5872
04:01:55,920 --> 04:01:57,680
this a right choice for the residents of

5873
04:01:57,680 --> 04:01:59,680
Palatan? Thank you.

5874
04:01:59,680 --> 04:02:14,309
>> Thank you.

5875
04:02:14,319 --> 04:02:17,199
My name is Bob Wolf. I live in Palatan.

5876
04:02:17,199 --> 04:02:20,239
I have no idea what zone I'm in. I was

5877
04:02:20,239 --> 04:02:22,720
riding my a bike tonight and I saw the

5878
04:02:22,720 --> 04:02:24,080
bunch of cars outside. I came to

5879
04:02:24,080 --> 04:02:27,199
complain about flock cameras. Instead, I

5880
04:02:27,199 --> 04:02:30,319
saw this. Gentlemen, I personally

5881
04:02:30,319 --> 04:02:32,239
believe I'm not affected by this at all,

5882
04:02:32,239 --> 04:02:33,680
but I personally believe that if you

5883
04:02:33,680 --> 04:02:36,000
pass this thing and let that motorports

5884
04:02:36,000 --> 04:02:38,399
thing go, you're out of a job. Thank

5885
04:02:38,399 --> 04:02:39,199
you.

5886
04:02:39,199 --> 04:02:46,070
>> Thank you.

5887
04:02:46,080 --> 04:02:50,469
» Anybody else?

5888
04:02:50,479 --> 04:02:52,960
» All right. With that, I'm going to close

5889
04:02:52,960 --> 04:02:55,520
the public comment period and open up to

5890
04:02:55,520 --> 04:02:57,680
board comments. Uh, I don't want to

5891
04:02:57,680 --> 04:02:59,520
steal anybody's thunder. I know District

5892
04:02:59,520 --> 04:03:05,120
2 and District 4 representatives have some things to say. U, but, um, I

5893
04:03:05,120 --> 04:03:07,359
want to thank you all for for being

5894
04:03:07,359 --> 04:03:11,920
civil. Um, it's a passionate topic and I

5895
04:03:11,920 --> 04:03:14,560
know a lot of people are very

5896
04:03:14,560 --> 04:03:16,720
uh,

5897
04:03:16,720 --> 04:03:18,319
a lot of strong opinions, a lot of

5898
04:03:18,319 --> 04:03:20,960
strong ideas and and thoughts about the

5899
04:03:20,960 --> 04:03:23,279
issue. So, so thank you for that. And

5900
04:03:23,279 --> 04:03:26,013
it's a it has been a long road. Um,

5901
04:03:26,013 --> 04:03:28,000
[clears throat]

5902
04:03:28,000 --> 04:03:29,760
there sometimes I wish I could just take

5903
04:03:29,760 --> 04:03:31,520
all of all of the comments and just kind

5904
04:03:31,520 --> 04:03:34,160
of bald it into to one statement and

5905
04:03:34,160 --> 04:03:38,239
just say ditto, but I I can't do that.

5906
04:03:38,239 --> 04:03:41,279
So, uh, my background is is is very

5907
04:03:41,279 --> 04:03:44,560
purely focused on on safety and, uh, I

5908
04:03:44,560 --> 04:03:46,560
look at I look at traffic and I look at

5909
04:03:46,560 --> 04:03:50,399
the impacts there. Um, that's that's my

5910
04:03:50,399 --> 04:03:55,120
biggest concern. Um, but more than that,

5911
04:03:55,120 --> 04:03:58,160
I care about what brings you peace.

5912
04:03:58,160 --> 04:04:00,160
That's what's important. We talk, we

5913
04:04:00,160 --> 04:04:01,439
talked about a lot of impacts. We talked

5914
04:04:01,439 --> 04:04:02,880
about environmental impacts. We talked

5915
04:04:02,880 --> 04:04:04,640
about all sorts of different impacts,

5916
04:04:04,640 --> 04:04:07,359
but more than anything, it it's what

5917
04:04:07,359 --> 04:04:09,600
brings you peace.

5918
04:04:09,600 --> 04:04:12,319
Um, and for me, that's that's what was

5919
04:04:12,319 --> 04:04:15,600
heard more than anything tonight. Uh, so

5920
04:04:15,600 --> 04:04:18,000
thank you for that.

5921
04:04:18,000 --> 04:04:18,720
Any other board [clears throat]

5922
04:04:18,720 --> 04:04:20,479
comments,

5923
04:04:20,479 --> 04:04:22,720
>> Mr. Chair? Go ahead.

5924
04:04:22,720 --> 04:04:24,720
>> I'll go first since I'm two and four.

5925
04:04:24,720 --> 04:04:26,800
So, it looks like most of the people

5926
04:04:26,800 --> 04:04:30,239
that uh are up here are district two and

5927
04:04:30,239 --> 04:04:32,720
I represent y'all. So, I will never go

5928
04:04:32,720 --> 04:04:36,080
against y'all. Um apologize to throttle

5929
04:04:36,080 --> 04:04:38,160
therapy for putting y'all through this

5930
04:04:38,160 --> 04:04:41,680
and apologize to the my my constituents

5931
04:04:41,680 --> 04:04:43,680
Palian County for the suffering y'all

5932
04:04:43,680 --> 04:04:44,960
went through for the past three or four

5933
04:04:44,960 --> 04:04:48,160
months. Um I'm going to keep it short

5934
04:04:48,160 --> 04:04:50,239
and sweet. All my district two people

5935
04:04:50,239 --> 04:04:51,760
were here and they were spoke violently.

5936
04:04:51,760 --> 04:04:53,040
I mean I think it was one person from

5937
04:04:53,040 --> 04:04:55,520
district 2 that approved this. So I will

5938
04:04:55,520 --> 04:04:57,359
be totally against this. I will be a

5939
04:04:57,359 --> 04:05:00,960
vote no. And I would also like to make a

5940
04:05:00,960 --> 04:05:02,640
second motion after this motion to

5941
04:05:02,640 --> 04:05:04,239
remove

5942
04:05:04,239 --> 04:05:16,630
uh motorsports park from A10. So

5943
04:05:16,640 --> 04:05:19,840
go ahead Mark. Any

5944
04:05:19,840 --> 04:05:24,790
other board comments?

5945
04:05:24,800 --> 04:05:25,840
» Mr. Chairman,

5946
04:05:25,840 --> 04:05:29,349
>> George,

5947
04:05:29,359 --> 04:05:31,199
» thank everybody from District 4. I've

5948
04:05:31,199 --> 04:05:33,600
had to play counselor. Um, I've gotten a

5949
04:05:33,600 --> 04:05:36,399
lot of phone calls, a lot of emails, got

5950
04:05:36,399 --> 04:05:37,520
to have some heart-to-he heart

5951
04:05:37,520 --> 04:05:39,520
conversations with some people, and I've

5952
04:05:39,520 --> 04:05:42,000
enjoyed every minute of it. One of the

5953
04:05:42,000 --> 04:05:44,160
hardest, and there's two things since I

5954
04:05:44,160 --> 04:05:46,000
got elected that I will never do. I will

5955
04:05:46,000 --> 04:05:48,399
never not listen to my constituents and

5956
04:05:48,399 --> 04:05:50,080
I will do everything I can to protect

5957
04:05:50,080 --> 04:05:52,239
the rural character of this county. You

5958
04:05:52,239 --> 04:05:53,600
know, I have a lot of feelings about

5959
04:05:53,600 --> 04:05:56,160
this. I live on Rocky Ford as well along

5960
04:05:56,160 --> 04:05:58,640
with a lot of you folks. But the one of

5961
04:05:58,640 --> 04:06:00,479
the hardest things a supervisor has to

5962
04:06:00,479 --> 04:06:04,239
do is when he makes a motion,

5963
04:06:04,239 --> 04:06:06,960
he has to set the feelings aside and he

5964
04:06:06,960 --> 04:06:09,760
has to look at the review standards of

5965
04:06:09,760 --> 04:06:13,520
the conditional use permit and does the

5966
04:06:13,520 --> 04:06:15,439
applicant demonstrate the proposed

5967
04:06:15,439 --> 04:06:17,840
conditional use.

5968
04:06:17,840 --> 04:06:20,640
So one, the applicant has not

5969
04:06:20,640 --> 04:06:23,359
appropriate. It's not an appropriate

5970
04:06:23,359 --> 04:06:24,960
location.

5971
04:06:24,960 --> 04:06:26,960
It's not compatible with the genital

5972
04:06:26,960 --> 04:06:30,239
character of the surrounding lands.

5973
04:06:30,239 --> 04:06:32,720
It does not avoid significant adverse

5974
04:06:32,720 --> 04:06:36,239
odor, noise, glare, vibration impacts on

5975
04:06:36,239 --> 04:06:38,800
surrounding lands regarding refuge

5976
04:06:38,800 --> 04:06:41,680
collection, service delivery, parking

5977
04:06:41,680 --> 04:06:44,720
and loading signs and lighting. It does

5978
04:06:44,720 --> 04:06:47,439
not avoid significant deterioration of

5979
04:06:47,439 --> 04:06:49,840
water and air resources, scenic

5980
04:06:49,840 --> 04:06:52,640
resources and other natural uh

5981
04:06:52,640 --> 04:06:55,520
resources. It does not maintain a safe

5982
04:06:55,520 --> 04:06:58,479
and convenient ingress and egress and

5983
04:06:58,479 --> 04:07:01,439
traffic flow into and through the

5984
04:07:01,439 --> 04:07:05,120
vehicles by and pedestrians and safe

5985
04:07:05,120 --> 04:07:08,080
road conditions at the site. So with all

5986
04:07:08,080 --> 04:07:09,840
that in mind, I make a motion that we

5987
04:07:09,840 --> 04:07:13,520
deny the motors parks part C based on

5988
04:07:13,520 --> 04:07:14,800
those review standards.

5989
04:07:14,800 --> 04:07:18,880
>> Second.

5990
04:07:18,880 --> 04:07:20,640
>> Any other any other comments before we

5991
04:07:20,640 --> 04:07:22,239
move to a roll call vote?

5992
04:07:22,239 --> 04:07:23,680
>> Sure.

5993
04:07:23,680 --> 04:07:27,279
>> Um I want to thank everyone here. It

5994
04:07:27,279 --> 04:07:29,199
it's it's been interesting over the last

5995
04:07:29,199 --> 04:07:33,359
three years to deal with passion. Um,

5996
04:07:33,359 --> 04:07:35,359
and I appreciate it and I appreciate the

5997
04:07:35,359 --> 04:07:36,880
passion you all have shown this evening

5998
04:07:36,880 --> 04:07:40,080
for your positions and mostly the fact

5999
04:07:40,080 --> 04:07:42,960
that you've been able to express your

6000
04:07:42,960 --> 04:07:46,080
passion civily and I I genuinely

6001
04:07:46,080 --> 04:07:49,359
appreciate that. Um the standards of the

6002
04:07:49,359 --> 04:07:52,399
cup that my colleague just just read

6003
04:07:52,399 --> 04:07:55,279
really speak to um the whole concept of

6004
04:07:55,279 --> 04:07:58,880
property rights and the fact that um we

6005
04:07:58,880 --> 04:08:02,479
have to respect them until these sorts

6006
04:08:02,479 --> 04:08:05,359
of standards are not being lived up to.

6007
04:08:05,359 --> 04:08:08,880
These are called externalities and we we

6008
04:08:08,880 --> 04:08:11,279
can't tolerate

6009
04:08:11,279 --> 04:08:14,080
uh externalities being imposed on others

6010
04:08:14,080 --> 04:08:18,160
by virtue of a property right. So, um,

6011
04:08:18,160 --> 04:08:19,520
for that reason, for all these

6012
04:08:19,520 --> 04:08:21,600
standards, and for all that I've heard

6013
04:08:21,600 --> 04:08:24,800
today, um, I I also concur with my

6014
04:08:24,800 --> 04:08:27,359
colleagues. I will not be supporting

6015
04:08:27,359 --> 04:08:29,040
this cup.

6016
04:08:29,040 --> 04:08:30,000
>> Dr.

6017
04:08:30,000 --> 04:08:34,950
I

6018
04:08:34,960 --> 04:08:38,800
» I find that regardless of what the

6019
04:08:38,800 --> 04:08:41,279
applicant has said, there's nothing

6020
04:08:41,279 --> 04:08:44,239
there's not a lot to back it up

6021
04:08:44,239 --> 04:08:47,760
that we would um see growth as I pointed

6022
04:08:47,760 --> 04:08:53,199
as they said in um our hotels.

6023
04:08:53,199 --> 04:08:55,359
We don't have a hotel. It would be nice

6024
04:08:55,359 --> 04:08:58,640
if we did, but we don't. um that it

6025
04:08:58,640 --> 04:09:02,319
would have a positive economic

6026
04:09:02,319 --> 04:09:03,840
um

6027
04:09:03,840 --> 04:09:06,720
uh stream of money to the county. They

6028
04:09:06,720 --> 04:09:09,760
don't have that in there. We have no

6029
04:09:09,760 --> 04:09:13,199
idea what it would make from the

6030
04:09:13,199 --> 04:09:16,000
planning commission that I viewed. They

6031
04:09:16,000 --> 04:09:18,800
don't know what their staffing would be.

6032
04:09:18,800 --> 04:09:22,000
I think this I think the business plan

6033
04:09:22,000 --> 04:09:26,080
is too loose at this point in time.

6034
04:09:26,080 --> 04:09:30,880
um if I was going to start something, I

6035
04:09:30,880 --> 04:09:32,720
would have that laid out and the

6036
04:09:32,720 --> 04:09:34,880
resources and what would be laid down.

6037
04:09:34,880 --> 04:09:40,239
That's just me. Um I for all the other

6038
04:09:40,239 --> 04:09:42,720
reasons, mine is I don't see the

6039
04:09:42,720 --> 04:09:45,359
business plan in operation

6040
04:09:45,359 --> 04:09:47,359
and I think there's too many holes where

6041
04:09:47,359 --> 04:09:50,640
there shouldn't be.

6042
04:09:50,640 --> 04:09:53,120
>> Thank you. We'll take a roll call vote,

6043
04:09:53,120 --> 04:09:54,160
please.

6044
04:09:54,160 --> 04:09:56,319
>> Mr. McClung

6045
04:09:56,319 --> 04:09:58,239
>> I

6046
04:09:58,239 --> 04:09:59,520
I'm sorry. Nay.

6047
04:09:59,520 --> 04:10:01,199
>> No. It's a motion to deny.

6048
04:10:01,199 --> 04:10:02,880
>> Oh, the motion to deny. So,

6049
04:10:02,880 --> 04:10:03,439
>> yes.

6050
04:10:03,439 --> 04:10:04,560
No.

6051
04:10:04,560 --> 04:10:06,720
>> Yes.

6052
04:10:06,720 --> 04:10:10,319
>> Feel like I'm at home.

6053
04:10:10,319 --> 04:10:13,279
>> We're good.

6054
04:10:13,279 --> 04:10:14,479
>> Mr. Powers.

6055
04:10:14,479 --> 04:10:17,357
>> Uh, yes. No.

6056
04:10:17,357 --> 04:10:18,800
[laughter]

6057
04:10:18,800 --> 04:10:20,319
>> Hi. Thank you,

6058
04:10:20,319 --> 04:10:21,520
>> Dr. Brown.

6059
04:10:21,520 --> 04:10:22,640
>> Hi,

6060
04:10:22,640 --> 04:10:24,479
>> Vice Chair Kenny. I

6061
04:10:24,479 --> 04:10:25,680
>> chairman Dennady

6062
04:10:25,680 --> 04:10:27,760
>> I

6063
04:10:27,760 --> 04:10:29,279
All right, that'll break bring us out of

6064
04:10:29,279 --> 04:10:33,732
the uh public hearing. Um

6065
04:10:33,732 --> 04:10:38,630
[clears throat]

6066
04:10:38,640 --> 04:10:39,279
that

6067
04:10:39,279 --> 04:10:41,840
>> we're laughing now.

6068
04:10:41,840 --> 04:10:45,359
>> County Attorney comments.

6069
04:10:45,359 --> 04:10:46,720
>> County Minister comments. I

6070
04:10:46,720 --> 04:10:48,720
>> just want to say thank you to uh Mr.

6071
04:10:48,720 --> 04:10:50,399
Lian Webb. He's he's migrated to the

6072
04:10:50,399 --> 04:10:52,560
back of the room, but uh Ligins accepted

6073
04:10:52,560 --> 04:10:54,399
an opportunity in another another

6074
04:10:54,399 --> 04:10:56,720
locality, but he went out of his way to

6075
04:10:56,720 --> 04:10:58,640
make sure he guided us through tonight's

6076
04:10:58,640 --> 04:11:00,479
meeting. So, wish you well and thank you

6077
04:11:00,479 --> 04:11:07,030
very much.

6078
04:11:07,040 --> 04:11:08,239
» Board comments,

6079
04:11:08,239 --> 04:11:09,120
>> Mr. Chair.

6080
04:11:09,120 --> 04:11:11,359
>> Good. like to ask staff to prepare an

6081
04:11:11,359 --> 04:11:12,960
amendment to bring to the next meeting

6082
04:11:12,960 --> 04:11:14,640
to begin the process to refer to the

6083
04:11:14,640 --> 04:11:16,880
planning commission to remove

6084
04:11:16,880 --> 04:11:31,110
motorsports park from HM

6085
04:11:31,120 --> 04:11:35,189
» is a motion that you

6086
04:11:35,199 --> 04:11:37,199
» second.

6087
04:11:37,199 --> 04:11:39,120
>> All in favor? I I

6088
04:11:39,120 --> 04:11:41,040
>> Any oppose?

6089
04:11:41,040 --> 04:11:42,880
>> Hearing none, that passes 5. Any other

6090
04:11:42,880 --> 04:11:43,680
board comments?

6091
04:11:43,680 --> 04:11:45,840
>> I just have one. I just I again want to

6092
04:11:45,840 --> 04:11:47,120
thank everybody that reached out to me

6093
04:11:47,120 --> 04:11:49,359
via email and phone call. Um it was a

6094
04:11:49,359 --> 04:11:50,800
true pleasure getting to meet every one

6095
04:11:50,800 --> 04:11:53,840
of you and um and if you need anything

6096
04:11:53,840 --> 04:11:55,439
again, just give me a shout. Thanks

6097
04:11:55,439 --> 04:11:56,319
again.

6098
04:11:56,319 --> 04:11:57,439
>> Yeah,

6099
04:11:57,439 --> 04:12:00,479
>> I will uh I'd like to mention that um

6100
04:12:00,479 --> 04:12:02,720
Lian Webb, thanks so much for for your

6101
04:12:02,720 --> 04:12:05,359
time and thank you for finishing strong.

6102
04:12:05,359 --> 04:12:06,560
>> Thank you.

6103
04:12:06,560 --> 04:12:11,040
>> Like a pro. Yeah. Any other comments?

6104
04:12:11,040 --> 04:12:14,279
Meeting adjourned.