[0:19] Don't we have something on the
[0:23] » All right. I'd like to call to order the
[0:25] August 24th uh premeating. We have a
[0:28] plan RBA uh to discuss the three notched
[0:31] trails. So, first so much for for coming
[0:34] out and we'll turn it right over to you.
[0:35] >> Thank you. Yeah. Um I'll go ahead and
[0:37] see if I can share this right quick.
[0:39] Here
[0:48] we go. Uh, yes. Thank you for having me.
[0:51] I am Bill Rian. I am a transportation
[0:54] planner for Plan RBA and have been there
[0:57] for about 10 years. Just finished my
[0:58] 10th year. Fellow Mer across the the way
[1:01] here. Um, I was going to say, um, I've
[1:05] been working with, uh, Lean Webb and
[1:08] Megan Heatwall on this this plan. They
[1:10] are part of our stakeholder team. Um,
[1:14] it's really the western spine, but we've
[1:16] been calling it three notches.
[1:17] [laughter] Three notches is nowhere near
[1:18] here. It's kind of uh, more of that
[1:21] corridor between Richmond and
[1:23] Charlottesville, but it's it's how we we
[1:25] hope to get a connection between
[1:27] Richmond and Charlottesville. really if
[1:29] you think about it all the way down the
[1:30] peninsula um using the Capitol Trail up
[1:33] to Stanton. That's an eventual goal of
[1:36] this but for us it's just within our
[1:38] region. So um
[1:42] the you can see on the goals here
[1:44] identify that preferred corridor along
[1:46] the western spine. Like I said we've got
[1:47] a stakeholder team. We've been working
[1:49] with all the different localities
[1:51] between Richmond and well the Bana
[1:54] County U boundary.
[1:57] But all these are a part of our efforts
[2:00] here. You know, trying to get a
[2:01] multi-use trail facility uh to, you
[2:04] know, enhance regional active
[2:06] transportation network. That's my main
[2:07] thing. I'm an active transportation
[2:09] planner. Uh but trying to get, you know,
[2:11] safer access uh connecting uh key
[2:15] locations and and destinations uh
[2:17] population centers. This particular
[2:19] study we started last uh summer and you
[2:22] know, we have to wrap it up by December.
[2:25] So pretty tight timeline. We've gone
[2:27] through three of four of the stakeholder
[2:30] committees. So again, the who we're
[2:33] working with uh each of the five
[2:34] localities, Cuchand Powan, Chesterfield,
[2:37] Enriiko, and the city of Richmond. And
[2:39] then we've been consulting in the
[2:41] background with uh Virginia uh Capital
[2:44] Trail Foundation, which obviously they
[2:46] set a high precedent with that trail um
[2:49] the soil and water conservation
[2:50] district, the Capital Region Land
[2:52] Conservancy. And then outside of our
[2:54] region, we've been working with the uh
[2:57] everything that's west. So our planning
[2:59] would end in at that Gland Fana boundary
[3:03] but um we've been working with the
[3:05] Thomas Jefferson uh planning district
[3:06] commission city of Charlottesville
[3:08] Abomar and Fana counties and then the
[3:11] Ravana trail conservy because it all
[3:13] kind of started with them and then in
[3:15] that connectivity for the state the uh
[3:18] the VOTE state trail state office of
[3:21] trails.
[3:24] So what we're what we really are trying
[3:26] to do is work with what we've already
[3:28] got. We there's planning in each of the nine localities in the Richmond
[3:32] region. We've just used some of the
[3:34] planning that already exists and and and
[3:37] adding that. Then we're looking at how
[3:39] do we then connect gaps or close the
[3:42] gaps I should say uh with all of these
[3:44] different localities. And you know again
[3:47] the exercise is to identify that
[3:48] feasible continuous regionally supported
[3:50] western spine. you know, Richmond all
[3:53] the way to or at least toward
[3:56] Charlottesville. So, again, this is
[3:58] pulled from our regional bicycle and
[4:00] pedestrian plan. Some of you may be
[4:02] familiar with that. It's it was approved
[4:04] by our policy board um in May of 22 and
[4:07] we're on every couple years we're
[4:09] updating all of that data. Um this is
[4:12] the existing
[4:14] [clears throat and laughter] facilities
[4:14] in the region. Um we've got uh
[4:18] approximately 210 combined miles of of
[4:21] different bike bike bike infrastructure.
[4:23] Um you know you see that big blue line
[4:26] heading off to the southeast there.
[4:28] That's the capital trail. We're working
[4:29] on fall line which you can see a little
[4:31] blue line from that blob in the center
[4:34] there Ashlin heading down. That's going
[4:36] to be a 43 mile trail connecting Ashlin
[4:39] to Petersburg. So that's our north and
[4:41] south spine.
[4:43] >> Here's south end. We've got one mile
[4:47] that's along the Hugenot trail. Uh
[4:50] Robius Road kind of continues and and
[4:51] when it gets to the line, there's that
[4:53] one mile. So, got more work to get done,
[4:56] but that's the beginning. Okay. Um
[4:59] here's that spine network. And this is
[5:01] something that we've had our uh through
[5:04] our local um technical advisory
[5:07] committee that they worked uh we worked
[5:10] with them to to put this together. the spines, the red lines, those are the
[5:16] uh we're trying to get all these other
[5:18] trails to connect through those. And
[5:19] you, as you can see, the red line in
[5:22] Palatan, that is Hugenat Trail or Route
[5:24] 7-Eleven connecting up uh 522 to Guland.
[5:28] We've had that as a spine. Um and and
[5:32] Guland's got Route 6 as their spine. Um
[5:35] there are gaps within that. The blue is
[5:38] the spurs. Those are supposed to connect
[5:40] to other uh trails to feed toward the
[5:43] spines. And as you can see, there's a
[5:45] huge gap just to the west in in the
[5:49] Richmond area. There's no spine. So,
[5:52] some of that effort, what we were doing
[5:54] with this committee is is trying to
[5:55] again identify and strengthen some of
[5:58] those potential connections. Um, not all
[6:01] of these exist. This is some existing
[6:04] like the Capitol Trail. The fall line is being built now, but some of it's
[6:08] aspirational like our proposed
[6:10] connections. So again, here's the the
[6:15] capital trail and you got the the fault
[6:17] line. That's that spine network. We're
[6:19] working on the western part. Now, this
[6:22] is jumbled up, very uh confusing.
[6:25] There's a lot of proposed and as you can
[6:27] see in Pitan, I'll just zoom in.
[6:31] we you have a trails plan. I'm pretty
[6:34] sure according to Megan, you guys uh
[6:36] approved all this, but you know, there
[6:39] was a whole plan and you know, so we're basically working with [laughter]
[6:43] the Hugenat Trail and 522. Um, but I'm
[6:47] also here on behalf of how can we work
[6:50] with this as well, whether it's to get,
[6:52] you know, funding, which I've been
[6:54] working with Megan some on, you know,
[6:56] what could um, you know, what's the low
[6:59] hanging fruit using, you know, your
[7:01] existing plan, what's your highest
[7:02] priorities, which you've identified in
[7:04] your your trails plan. So, again, you
[7:07] know, how do we make those things happen
[7:08] too, not just the the theuh three notch
[7:11] trail plan? Um, again, I won't go into
[7:14] too much of this, but on the other side
[7:16] of Charlottesville, they're working on
[7:17] the Crosseé Trail, and that's supposed
[7:20] to connect essentially from western
[7:22] Charlottesville all the way to Afton
[7:23] Mountain. Uh, it's a pretty big effort,
[7:26] kind of similar to um, Gutland and
[7:30] Powatan in that there's a lot of horse
[7:32] country here. So again, like is this
[7:34] trail not just a multiuse trail for
[7:37] bikes, runners, pedestrians, but for
[7:40] horses as well? So, you know, every
[7:43] trail that we've done, uh, fall line is
[7:46] one where we're like, "Hey, handover,
[7:47] how much of this should be considered,
[7:50] you know, horse trail as well, cuz you
[7:52] really have to plan ahead. You those
[7:53] trailers when people are bringing
[7:55] horses, you've probably been to the, if
[7:57] you've been to the Palatan State Park,
[7:59] there's a lot of extra parking to to
[8:01] accommodate those types of vehicles. So,
[8:03] anyway, that's happening right now. um
[8:06] you know it's Charlottesville to Aftton
[8:07] Mountain there terrain uh issues but
[8:10] they're generally following the rail
[8:12] line corridor so the slope is more
[8:15] gradual not going straight up the
[8:16] mountain like you know you see with 64
[8:19] as it climbs after again we're working
[8:21] with other you know the state outdoors
[8:23] plan uh BOT has uh multiple plans and so
[8:27] those are advising some of this so we
[8:29] don't have to reinvent the wheel every
[8:31] time
[8:33] um again the the one One other thing and
[8:36] part of the reason that there is uh any
[8:38] trail mentioned on um Hugenot trail is
[8:43] you know there was in 2013 the James
[8:45] River Heritage Trail plan. So again a
[8:47] lot of these communities a lot of the I
[8:49] should say counties and localities use
[8:52] that uh do I'm sorry department of
[8:54] conservation recreation plan the James
[8:56] Heritage Trail to have that orange line
[8:59] added to their their comp plans. So
[9:03] again, we're trying to uh build support
[9:05] for this. This is just being done within
[9:08] staff. This is not a huge public effort
[9:10] at this time, but you know, our project
[9:12] terminating
[9:18] with Fluana on how would we move through
[9:20] how would a trail move through the
[9:22] county to Charlottesville and then um
[9:25] you know obviously to to the east
[9:27] there's fall line of Capitol Trail. We
[9:29] want to make sure we connect all the
[9:30] way, not just, you know, to Hugenot
[9:32] Bridge um in in in Reicho and and the
[9:36] city. We've had three meetings so far
[9:38] with our stakeholder group with one more
[9:40] planned in November and that's sort of
[9:42] the, you know, we uh are near the
[9:46] finished product and we're going to, you
[9:48] know, kind of go over it with them at
[9:49] that time. So um the the previous
[9:52] meeting uh let's see yeah
[9:55] all these different lines different
[9:57] colors are representing each locality um
[10:01] panz sort of a teal color um but the
[10:05] point has been we were working through
[10:07] the stakeholder group to cut away a lot
[10:10] of these uh to you know the dotted line
[10:12] that's in Gland that was one of the
[10:14] first things they said that's not going
[10:15] to work that's actually three notched
[10:17] corridor the old um three notched
[10:20] [clears throat] road was uh in place and
[10:22] then you know that's how US 250 came
[10:24] about. Um so but they've sort of settled
[10:27] on that route six corridor. Um several
[10:30] of those Henriko lines it's just now
[10:32] reduced to that one that's closest to
[10:34] the James River that that darker blue.
[10:37] Chesterfield has uh Robius Road along um
[10:41] [clears throat] Hugnot Road into Bonaire
[10:43] and then there's a series of ones in the
[10:45] in Richmond because I haven't been able
[10:46] to get them to really commit fully to
[10:49] just one line. But um in Pan, we've been
[10:53] working with U Lian Web and and Megan.
[10:56] It's sort of incorporating a few extra
[10:58] lines, but really that 711 corridor is
[11:01] where we this is aspirational, not like
[11:04] we've invented something new. It's using
[11:06] what you've already had in your comp
[11:08] plans. Um, so we call that the James
[11:12] River Loop. Yes, sir.
[11:13] >> Question on that. So, would you have it
[11:15] going all the way to 522 and then north
[11:19] um of 522 or or does it cut over
[11:22] >> that old river trail, which is what that
[11:25] little blurb is right there? the from
[11:28] Maidens at 522 that Guchand actually has
[11:31] a greenway trail planned just east of
[11:35] the the courthouse. So it's not right
[11:38] down the middle of the road on on Route
[11:40] 6. Is that is that what you're asking?
[11:41] >> No, I guess I was just trying to find
[11:42] out if the trail is obviously it follows
[11:45] 7-Eleven to 522, but there's also that line that goes down the trail as
[11:50] well.
[11:51] >> Um yes, that's more of the scenic byway.
[11:54] Okay. Uh, and I have to say that was not
[11:57] necessarily on the comp plan, but there
[11:59] were um again that we followed some of
[12:03] that scenic byway in that corridor. You
[12:06] can't see it as well, but as it goes
[12:08] that center line right right in here, um
[12:13] that's headed toward the the prison farm
[12:14] and there's natural surface trail in the um the uh trail plan that points
[12:21] along the river there. And I kind of
[12:24] fudged a little bit in the very eastern
[12:26] heading towards Watkins because the line
[12:28] doesn't extend past 288, but at one
[12:30] point we were trying to convince
[12:32] Chesterfield to stay along the river
[12:34] from their Robius Landing Park and then
[12:36] head to Watkins. So something that's
[12:38] more rivercentric, but yes, that one
[12:41] outcropping there is is sort of
[12:43] following Gotcha. I don't remember that.
[12:45] >> Old River Trail.
[12:46] >> Okay. Fantastic.
[12:47] >> Conveniently named.
[12:48] >> That's probably why I got confused.
[12:50] So when you say trail, are these just
[12:52] natural? So is this like the Blue Ridge
[12:55] um mountain trail?
[12:56] >> The the the goal would be to have it be
[12:59] separated from the road, have it be, you
[13:01] know, 12t wide paved. Could be that, you
[13:05] know, like if you've ever been to um uh
[13:09] Hybrbridge Trail Safe Park, that's, you
[13:10] know, crushed limestone uh surface. Um
[13:14] anything like that that is uh but safe.
[13:17] It's it's pulled away. that's somewhat
[13:20] uh that's a sustainable trail. For
[13:22] example, you you're not going to have a
[13:23] lot of rudded um rained out sections,
[13:26] but the again the goal would be to have
[13:28] it be separated from the roadway. Is
[13:31] that is that answering?
[13:34] >> Yeah, I mean I'm I'm just you're talking
[13:36] about horses and bikes and stuff like
[13:38] that. I mean, are all they going to be
[13:40] all of it multi-use or the horse trail
[13:42] ends here and then the bike trail starts
[13:44] there and then you know,
[13:46] >> some of them
[13:47] >> is it a walking trail? You know, you got
[13:48] the Blue Ridge Parkway, you got the
[13:50] trail that runs all the way from Lake
[13:51] Maine all the way down. Is it similar to
[13:53] >> Oh, I see what you're asking. Yeah. I
[13:55] mean, there's East Coast Greenway will
[13:57] follow a fall line. That's a trail. It's
[14:00] just a series of other trails. Um, not
[14:03] really a consistent surface. Uh, yeah, I
[14:05] would say the goal would be to have it,
[14:07] you know, 12t wide, something that is
[14:10] not a road
[14:13] >> and like a Blue Ridge Parkway. I mean,
[14:15] that's obviously a huge roadway, but um
[14:20] the the idea though is is its own
[14:23] standalone thing. Robius Road that we've
[14:25] had there, Chesterfield, you you may
[14:28] have seen that there are existing bike
[14:29] lanes along that. It's 45 mph road,
[14:32] >> trail.
[14:34] Yes, that's more natural surface as in
[14:36] you're just on rocks. You're on whatever
[14:38] the surface is through. And I was going
[14:40] to say with Roius Road, they're planning
[14:42] to have a shared use path. uh to the
[14:45] side and you know move on from having
[14:49] that really busy traffic uh I'm sorry
[14:52] the bike lanes right next to that busy
[14:53] traffic. Um
[14:55] >> I you said part of this would be on 71
[15:00] >> in theory. Yes. Um and working with
[15:04] Ligan Web, you know, that's a very busy
[15:06] corridor as you all know. I mean
[15:08] >> it's also no shoulder,
[15:09] >> right? Well, that's we wouldn't want it
[15:12] to be on the shoulder. It would be if we
[15:14] could if the if if your your locality
[15:17] chose to go forward with something like
[15:19] that, how do we separate? How how would
[15:21] there be some separation or
[15:24] >> how's it mean just to to help provide a
[15:27] little is it something that we just
[15:30] >> try to get easements or something along
[15:32] [clears throat] the trail or how does
[15:33] that work for
[15:35] >> Well, I I would say using the the
[15:37] capital trail as an example like route
[15:39] five is the the main spine through
[15:42] there.
[15:43] >> That's a scenic byway as well. B do
[15:45] administered that project because
[15:47] essentially the Capitol Trail acts like
[15:48] a um an
[15:53] you know a complimentary route to that.
[15:55] Again it's sometimes pretty close to
[15:58] following that the contours of that. Um
[16:02] sometimes it it very it pulls away
[16:04] because the opportunity to go through a
[16:05] certain property um was was easier. Um
[16:09] there are a few sections in Charles City
[16:11] County where it's right up next to the
[16:12] road, which isn't ideal, but it's not
[16:15] miles and miles of that. Um but yes, it
[16:18] would be one of those VOTE had to with each of those property owners
[16:22] negotiate, you know, right away. Um it's
[16:25] about 11 miles we're trying to cover
[16:27] with 7-Eleven and it may not all be
[16:31] convenient to have it, and I know
[16:32] there's a lot of historic properties on
[16:34] there. It would be it it'd be a heavy
[16:35] lift to have it right along that one
[16:37] corridor. Um that's why we do have some
[16:41] highlighted options for things that were
[16:43] identified in the p the u the the county
[16:46] trail plan that are pulled away. Um the
[16:49] ones that are closer to the river were
[16:50] marked as uh natural surface trail. So
[16:54] you know if that's how we have to settle
[16:57] if and again this is if you wanted to
[16:59] proceed with something like this. This
[17:01] is you know my grandkids might enjoy
[17:03] this trail kind of thing. [laughter]
[17:06] >> I don't have grandkids.
[17:07] >> Go ahead.
[17:08] Going back to the one mile that you
[17:10] mentioned that is a POW tan that you are
[17:12] planning for. Could you bring that show
[17:13] me where that one mile is again please?
[17:16] >> Your backyard.
[17:18] >> My backyard.
[17:18] >> Yeah.
[17:19] >> Great. So uh yes this ATV is up and
[17:23] down.
[17:24] >> This is 288 and then the the interchange
[17:26] with Gigi Trail and and 288 here and um
[17:30] the the county line there. This is I
[17:32] guess the Winterfield area. So, you
[17:35] know, th those are bike lanes that are
[17:37] on the side of the road and it it
[17:40] continues all the way uh on Robius. This
[17:43] is uh Polo Parkway and like, you know,
[17:46] shops at um Bgrade area in Chesterfield.
[17:49] So, it's a pretty long distance. I I've
[17:52] biked that plenty of times, but it's not
[17:54] something I would take an 8-year-old on.
[17:55] What we're trying to to do is make it to
[17:57] where somebody who's new to cycling
[17:58] would be would feel comfortable or you
[18:01] know obviously if you got a young kid
[18:02] that you're with, you wouldn't want
[18:05] [clears throat] tractor trailers or
[18:06] whatever right next to them. Megan that
[18:09] one mile, how does it template over the
[18:11] approved trails plan that we parks and
[18:14] register does it?
[18:17] >> I have to go back and look.
[18:18] >> Okay.
[18:21] to him.
[18:24] Um, that was about the the gist of
[18:26] everything. I was going to say I don't
[18:27] think I have Yeah, that was it. Um, I I
[18:31] could answer plenty of questions as best
[18:34] I can. I was going to say again, I'm
[18:36] glad you're in the room. We talked a
[18:37] little bit at our meeting about, you
[18:39] know, your actual trails plan and and
[18:41] how can we help uh move that along? uh
[18:44] you know find find those um
[18:48] highest priority projects as you've
[18:50] identified and and you know let's find
[18:52] some funding for to to move some of
[18:54] those along. Um, but in particular with
[18:56] the Three Notch Trail, um, a lot of what
[18:59] we we just to sum it up, a lot of what
[19:01] we talked about was, um, access to the
[19:05] river, being closest to those
[19:07] recreational sources, uh, trying to
[19:09] connect some of the existing historical
[19:11] sites and and, um, what was it? Fine
[19:14] Creek.
[19:15] >> Oh, Pine Creek.
[19:16] >> Yeah. Some of those cooler uh, sites
[19:19] that are that people would want to get
[19:21] to
[19:21] >> destinations.
[19:22] >> Yeah, destinations. Exactly. along those
[19:24] corridors. So, um anyway,
[19:28] yeah. Yeah. Obviously,
[19:30] I like I like the path. Obviously, it's
[19:32] going to go through three of the
[19:33] supervisors districts,
[19:35] >> right?
[19:35] >> Um
[19:37] >> I've run firing mask calls up that
[19:40] corridor for 26 years.
[19:42] >> Y
[19:42] >> So, I I I know it very very well. Um I
[19:45] know the hazards of it. Uh, but I also
[19:48] love the idea of bringing
[19:51] um and and providing something like that
[19:54] and what it could do to that area. Um,
[19:56] can you answer a question about funding?
[19:59] How's this typically done? Is it through
[20:00] grants? Is it through CVTA funding,
[20:02] funneling money to them or or what?
[20:05] >> With Fall Line, like I said, we're
[20:06] working on we're still working on
[20:09] funding that fully, but um Fall Line is
[20:11] a 43 mile trail. Um they just completed
[20:15] last last fall the first section um
[20:18] that's basically 5 milesi from just
[20:22] north and Reicho up to Ashland. That was
[20:25] mostly with CBTA money. Um CBTA
[20:29] committed 108 million I think it was in
[20:31] the first goound. The original estimate
[20:35] was about 300 million to cost. Now it's
[20:37] closer to 450 million because when we
[20:40] started planners are laughing that's
[20:43] what happens but anyway CBTA was one way
[20:48] um there have been other contributions
[20:50] uh state level committed some money um
[20:55] because there's seven different
[20:56] localities those seven localities are
[20:58] trying to fill in some of the gaps
[21:00] [snorts] right now we're working on
[21:01] Petersburg up to Chester that's being
[21:04] like they're they're groundbreaking next
[21:06] month And most of the funding is in
[21:08] place for that as well. But the gap the donnut hole essentially from that
[21:13] Chesterfield section up to Henriiko I
[21:17] should say Henriiko's funded and almost
[21:19] all of theirs is there's multiple
[21:22] funding buckets. So again to answer your
[21:24] question it's not one funding bucket.
[21:26] It's the solution.
[21:29] Isn't it kind of hard to define where
[21:30] the trails are going to be if you
[21:32] haven't gotten these ones yet?
[21:35] >> With fall line, um Richmond's still
[21:38] working on some of their final lines. Um
[21:42] Chesterfield had some identified in
[21:44] their plans. Um and they basically
[21:46] followed a lot of that corridor. Some of
[21:48] it had to shift due to a solar farm
[21:51] being built in the center of one
[21:53] section. uh a shooting range I think was
[21:55] near uh they're they were using an old
[21:58] rail line but those are opportunities
[22:01] that they had already identified. Uh I
[22:03] think in what we're talking about here
[22:05] is sort of a blank slate. We have that
[22:07] corridor we don't necessarily have you
[22:10] know lined up a series of property
[22:13] owners that were already teed up for it.
[22:16] Capital trail I think was u a lot more
[22:19] of that you know property by property.
[22:22] Um it is one of those when they did have
[22:24] the funding in place and started
[22:25] building it. It wasn't a march from you
[22:28] know Jamestown to to Richmond to do the
[22:31] trail. It was pieces and parts in and as
[22:34] they were going everybody's like why is
[22:35] this a gap? Why I have not you have why
[22:38] haven't you finished my part? You know
[22:40] point being though that momentum that
[22:42] helps build that momentum toward having
[22:44] more funding but it may not always help
[22:48] if the property owners don't want it.
[22:49] And I know 7-Eleven has a lot of
[22:51] historic again a lot of historic
[22:53] properties and it might be difficult.
[22:55] Um, so yeah, that's our perspective that
[22:58] would be awful difficult to fund because
[23:02] you you can say you want to go this way
[23:04] and then all of a sudden you got
[23:05] property owners. Well, now it's got to
[23:06] go this way. So we dedicate x amount of
[23:10] dollars, but now the trails got to be
[23:11] longer because it's got to go around
[23:13] people that weren't giving willing to
[23:15] give an easement. So, it's really hard
[23:17] for the county to budget something like
[23:19] that, right, when we don't know point A
[23:22] to point B and what that's going to look
[23:24] like.
[23:25] >> It it it is um each of them ends up
[23:28] being a different u approach, different
[23:31] um solution uh to those those obstacles.
[23:35] They're working right now uh an
[23:37] extension of the Capitol Trail and it
[23:39] basically matches what you're talking
[23:40] about from Jamestown towards Newport
[23:43] News. a lot. It's a tight corridor. A
[23:46] lot of different waterways that affect
[23:47] that. And yes, it the the distance has
[23:51] changed a few times. The the course
[23:54] they're trying to get get to has
[23:56] changed, but I would think that if if it
[23:59] is something that the county was
[24:00] interested in that you would have at
[24:03] least some preliminary work, we talked a
[24:05] little bit about like how how would you
[24:07] execute a trails plan? you may need some
[24:10] extra help. Some some uh more than just
[24:14] one person trying to tackle that. Um and
[24:16] in in that case, uh if you like say had
[24:19] a trails manager position that could
[24:21] help, you know, knock on those doors. My
[24:24] family's from Martinsville. When they've
[24:26] uh tried to put together some of the
[24:28] trails there, they they had a foundation
[24:30] that was doing some of the door
[24:31] knocking. But yeah, it's each one of
[24:34] them has a different approach and a
[24:36] different solution. I thought good job
[24:37] for our deputy county administrator.
[24:40] [laughter]
[24:44] » Well, I uh I noticed John leaned over
[24:47] and whispered in Megan's ear. Uh the
[24:49] foundation is something that Parks and
[24:51] Wreck has been working on and thinking
[24:53] about for some time, recognizing that
[24:55] there's uh there's multiple ways to skin
[24:57] the cat, you know, and and as not only a
[25:00] fundraising arm, but a force force
[25:02] multiplier. And uh yeah, I think that
[25:04] that's a a great example of how that
[25:06] group could be leveraged.
[25:09] >> We talked the other day about you all
[25:11] have agreements with your farmers market
[25:13] with groups and having some co-managing
[25:15] maybe something to that to to that
[25:16] effect a solution where hey we have a
[25:18] co-trail issue or not issue but
[25:21] opportunity you know with
[25:24] some sort of shared effort. I don't
[25:26] know. We we were throwing some
[25:28] [clears throat] fun ideas out and all of
[25:30] them sound really fun until you start
[25:32] getting down to how much would this cost
[25:33] and how would this work? So, it's all
[25:36] fun games.
[25:38] [laughter]
[25:39] >> Whoa.
[25:40] >> Well, I think the question for me is
[25:42] like who's going to be making the ask to
[25:45] the property owners?
[25:48] We can commit to it all day long, but we
[25:50] can't we can't can't necessarily force
[25:52] property owners to
[25:54] >> Yeah, absolutely. I will say with the
[25:58] with fall line, they had two design
[26:01] build sections. That first one that's
[26:02] completed and the one in the south and
[26:05] VOTE got to be the bad guy uh for a lot
[26:08] of that. Um basically the you know
[26:11] research being done on
[26:14] here's the general corridor and then you
[26:17] know assessing which properties may be
[26:19] effective which side of the road may be
[26:21] preferred because you don't want to
[26:22] switch back and forth side sides of the
[26:25] road especially on a busy corridor like
[26:26] 7-Eleven. But the idea again uh of uh
[26:30] who's going to handle you know talking
[26:32] to the public working with so a lot of
[26:34] the fall line ended up being you know V
[26:37] dot going through that public process
[26:40] like I said with this we're just doing
[26:42] the study trying to get together like is
[26:46] do are people interested in this and you
[26:49] know do we pursue it and if we do what
[26:51] are the potential corridors but um in
[26:54] the end yeah if you if you did want to
[26:56] see it through there would be another
[26:59] level of study. The fall line had an
[27:01] Ashlin to Petersburg trail study and
[27:04] that was funded through the governor's
[27:06] office uh the office of interotal
[27:08] planning um you know handled that it was
[27:11] about year plus study. So that's the
[27:14] more serious version of we really are
[27:16] going to do some of the environmental
[27:17] work in you know trying to figure out
[27:20] traffic volume along roads. Like I said,
[27:23] I have collected some data. Obviously,
[27:25] [snorts] 7-Eleven is that collector as
[27:27] you head especially east toward um 288
[27:31] and still people that head 522, you
[27:34] know. So, all those suburban
[27:35] neighborhoods uh or really exurban
[27:38] neighborhoods feed towards that corridor
[27:40] and obviously 60 as well. You know,
[27:42] that's your two major east west.
[27:45] But yeah, VOTE would have to be heavily
[27:47] involved in something to that effect.
[27:51] And that's not free, but that's, you
[27:53] know, that's governor's office had
[27:56] funded, for example, the fall line and
[27:57] the capital trail.
[28:00] Mr. Chairman, I want to make sure I'm
[28:03] not
[28:05] pushing you along a path that you're not
[28:07] prepared to walk. Um, no pun intended. I I appreciate the fact that you are now
[28:14] familiar with our plan.
[28:16] >> Absolutely.
[28:18] >> Previously, I I assume you weren't. So
[28:20] the fact that you're aware of it and can
[28:22] help facilitate give advice and mostly I
[28:26] hope help with funding source if you
[28:28] have some guidance there. So at least
[28:31] it's good that plan RBA is aware of that
[28:33] plan. I assume that you weren't
[28:36] previously.
[28:38] >> Um I was um and we have that
[28:41] incorporated in our region.
[28:43] >> But does that mean it's [snorts]
[28:46] anywhere past being a plan? No. So, but
[28:49] if you if you and we were talking a
[28:52] little bit about this the other day, you
[28:53] know, you start using the CBTA money or
[28:57] some other uh we we've talked about some
[28:59] different um potential uh funding
[29:02] sources to apply, you know, grants and
[29:04] so on. any of those, you know, knocking
[29:07] out a mile or, you know, connecting from
[29:09] Fighting Creek up to the schools and and
[29:11] beyond, any [clears throat] of those,
[29:13] you know, little incremental updates or
[29:16] trails, too, you know. Oh,
[29:17] >> yeah.
[29:18] >> But it certainly has been risen to the
[29:21] top of any surveys that we've done in
[29:23] terms of the citizens really valuing uh
[29:25] the trails and looking for expansion of
[29:27] them.
[29:28] >> It's a very thorough plan. I really you
[29:30] know I did refamiliarize myself with it
[29:34] uh since um we we started this process
[29:37] but yeah the it's very thorough and you
[29:40] know identify as very I mean from my
[29:42] perspective not living here you know
[29:44] very workable corridors and necessary
[29:47] things like connecting schools
[29:48] connecting through your community
[29:50] finishing sidewalk networks within the
[29:52] courthouse area that you know you've
[29:55] been asking for I don't know several
[29:57] years as far as I know about how to
[29:59] connect birth to the middle school.
[30:05] » We have one person who constantly is.
[30:08] >> Oh, he's not just a Pan guy.
[30:11] >> Oh, really?
[30:11] >> Carl.
[30:13] >> He's famous.
[30:14] >> He [laughter] infinitisly is.
[30:16] >> Yeah. But it, you know,
[30:18] >> sometimes it works.
[30:19] >> We have people within the region. We
[30:22] have people within these the
[30:23] communities. But yeah, it's it's
[30:24] wonderful to have people who are
[30:26] interested and you know I feel like you
[30:28] know he's he's not ineffective.
[30:31] >> Oh, he's a knowledgeable guy.
[30:32] >> Yeah, absolutely.
[30:35] >> What other questions we got?
[30:37] I'm still stuck on 7-Eleven because I
[30:39] don't see how it happens just because
[30:42] there's a road and then there's a ditch
[30:44] and the ditch pretty much runs
[30:48] away because the properties on either
[30:51] side use that ditch to drain off their
[30:54] properties.
[30:56] >> It's it's very similar to Capitol Trail
[30:57] in that situation.
[30:58] >> That's how I vision it going from going
[31:00] up Route Five from from Williamsburg or
[31:02] Jamestown all the way up to um downtown
[31:05] Richmond. So you would be asking
[31:06] >> it's off the road. It's not right on the
[31:08] road.
[31:08] >> Yeah. So you'd be asking someone like
[31:10] Norwood and um with the Sleti Place and
[31:16] Brooker to really take a sizable chunk
[31:19] of land off what 15 ft or more
[31:25] on top of on top of what he got. the
[31:28] conservancy that no one is in. I I don't know that
[31:34] permission is the issue. I'm not sure it
[31:36] can be done that. And I will say it's
[31:39] part of why we consulted with Capital
[31:41] Region Land Conservancy because there
[31:43] are many properties in several
[31:45] localities. We aren't sure if their
[31:48] easements I'm sorry, an easement would
[31:50] be possible.
[31:51] >> Yeah.
[31:53] And so if it's going to trek over
[31:56] 7-Eleven, then you have to build a
[31:57] bridge.
[32:00] >> Uh well, again,
[32:04] >> with
[32:05] >> Capital Trail, there are some crossings,
[32:08] >> right?
[32:08] >> You want it to be in a in a in an area
[32:10] that has, you know, no hills
[32:13] approaching. You want the best sight
[32:14] lines you can, you know, uh you know, no
[32:17] big curves before them. Um, but yeah,
[32:19] that's that's obviously very important
[32:21] issue. There's a power line that runs on
[32:24] certain corridors of of uh 7-Eleven,
[32:27] just a local power line. But again, like
[32:30] some of those are opportunities, but
[32:32] then you you see like, okay, that also
[32:34] continues across seven people's
[32:35] driveways and their driveways all have,
[32:38] you know, the cutout for the driveway
[32:40] and their their houses are right up to
[32:42] the road. So, it's very hard to
[32:43] envision. You could go in the front. I
[32:45] don't know what there might be to go
[32:47] behind some of those houses, but that's
[32:49] part of the the course you might see
[32:51] with Capitol Trail is going behind some
[32:55] properties if that is an issue. But that
[32:58] was a 52 mile trail. We're talking about
[33:00] 11 with or is um at least to 522. I
[33:06] don't remember how far up to 522. I'm
[33:08] sorry to the river it is from there. But
[33:11] uh but anyway, yeah, it's it's not
[33:13] without uh difficulties.
[33:16] >> I think it's nine miles from 68 to the
[33:19] road.
[33:26] » Any other questions?
[33:29] >> Any questions for us?
[33:31] >> You know, I've been mostly asking all
[33:33] the questions through Megan and now that
[33:35] there's a foundation, I think, you know,
[33:36] we got to start. But um it's it's
[33:39] wonderful that you already have a plan.
[33:41] Like I said, we that's what we use to
[33:43] identify these corridors. So yeah, I
[33:45] mean that was I'm glad you guys are
[33:46] really enthusiastic about the actual
[33:49] trail plan. And you know, again,
[33:51] anything I can do, we can do to help,
[33:53] you know, start that process of getting
[33:55] some of those. We always talk about we
[33:57] don't want to make plans that sit on a
[33:58] shelf and never do anything with them.
[34:01] So, that's the same thing with your
[34:02] trails plan is even if it's all right,
[34:04] we got something, you know, started uh
[34:07] and or you know, the uh the priority
[34:11] list included a couple that were, you
[34:12] know, connecting the schools. I mean,
[34:14] that's that's safety right there. Trying
[34:16] to get the kids, you know, to and from
[34:18] safely. So, I I don't really have any
[34:20] other questions, but I know who to
[34:21] contact if I have any more.
[34:23] >> Do I have one question?
[34:24] >> Yes, sir.
[34:25] >> Ride motorcycles on.
[34:28] >> Not supposed to. [laughter]
[34:29] Um, it's a joke. I was going to say
[34:32] though the horse question, um, I didn't
[34:34] quite answer that thoroughly. Like in
[34:36] like say Northern Virginia on the WO
[34:38] trail, that one has some sections that
[34:41] are so busy that they have multiple side
[34:44] by side pieces so that the horses can
[34:46] have their own space and not be spooked
[34:48] by, you know,
[34:50] >> pedestrians and cyclists. And um that
[34:53] example of the Cros trail out out there
[34:56] is like, "Hey, you know, you're going to
[34:57] be talking to the horse farm folks. How
[34:59] do you get through to them? You know,
[35:01] come in there right away with the idea
[35:03] that you're providing a longer trail for
[35:05] the horses as well." So, it's a tall
[35:08] ask, you know, because a lot of those
[35:10] are multi-million dollar farms and I'm
[35:13] sure there's several in Pitan as well,
[35:16] but yeah, it's a tall ask uh for some of
[35:18] those properties.
[35:19] >> Sure.
[35:20] >> Yeah. I'm John Kirkland. I'm the vice
[35:22] chair for the foundation and we've
[35:25] really gotten the ball rolling with that
[35:27] foundation. I've already been out
[35:28] speaking, speaker. Um I truly believe we
[35:31] will be able to help with some of this
[35:32] funding and looking forward to working
[35:35] with uh we've got a good group. We've
[35:38] got a good board. We're enthusiastic.
[35:40] We'll have our website up hopefully by
[35:42] October 1st. convey that to everybody so
[35:45] they can go in there and actually see
[35:46] what we're about, what we're doing, what
[35:48] we're into and where we're trying to
[35:50] help out in different localities. And I
[35:52] think it'd be great for the county once
[35:54] we get that up and running. But we are
[35:57] live.
[35:59] >> So if you want to give me some money,
[36:00] I'll take it. [laughter]
[36:04] » Can I uh can I mention I I think that
[36:06] this is a space that we're doing good planning, but we're
[36:10] doing good work as well. Um it was just
[36:12] in 2028 that the county reconstituted
[36:15] the parks and rec advisory commission
[36:18] and they had the foresight in 2019 to
[36:20] initiate a parks and recreation needs
[36:22] assessment which was finalized in 2020
[36:25] and they did a statistically valid
[36:27] survey of the uh the county at large
[36:29] that identified multi-purpose trails as
[36:32] the number one requested amenity. Um and
[36:36] uh we we used that information to apply
[36:39] for a fiscal year 22 community project
[36:42] funds grant which we are awarded for the
[36:44] education connection trail. Uh we
[36:46] applied again in fiscal year 2 uh three
[36:49] for the ADA trail. Um that's that will
[36:52] go behind the library. Um and part of
[36:54] what we've learned is you have to be
[36:55] careful what you wish for when you get
[36:57] awarded federal grant money. Uh we've
[37:00] been working on that since 20 fiscal
[37:03] year 22. you know, meeting all of the
[37:05] requirements of federal money. Um, we're
[37:07] to the point that we're planning a
[37:09] ribbon cutting in the next two months.
[37:10] So, uh, near near the finish line on
[37:12] that one, and the ADA trail will be
[37:14] right behind it. But I think it's an
[37:16] area that we're punching above our way
[37:18] and and parks rec of work to advance the
[37:22] goal of where you multi- trailing count
[37:25] as well.
[37:27] >> Good stuff. That's awesome. Love that.
[37:32] » Um,
[37:34] data on the economic at uh the capital
[37:37] trail.
[37:39] >> That that is a fantastic question and I
[37:41] have to say with fall on that was the
[37:43] same question. We did not do there is an
[37:46] e economic impact study for the capital
[37:49] trail. It's from 2018. So um it's pretty
[37:53] far behind. The nump the dollar figures
[37:55] are are way behind and obviously the
[37:58] trail was very new at that time. Um but
[38:01] we've been using that as a very low
[38:03] baseline for the impact. Um it's
[38:07] obviously something that be a tourism
[38:09] impact but because that's already
[38:12] busy corridor scenic uh byway Virginia
[38:16] scenic byway. Um but that's that's what
[38:19] we have
[38:20] >> counters.
[38:22] There are trail counters though um not
[38:25] all the original 11 are in operation but
[38:28] yeah that's on the B do website and I I
[38:30] can provide links to to those um you
[38:34] know so you get a good sense of how many
[38:37] people are using not just that trail but
[38:39] you know around the state. Um but yeah,
[38:42] it's some of those are
[38:45] um it's it's how you perceive the you
[38:48] know how many people pass through
[38:49] certain areas. Um that doesn't
[38:51] necessarily mean that somebody stay much
[38:54] stay in a hotel or anything like that.
[38:56] Uh but yeah, the economic impact study
[38:58] like I said they Capital Trail
[39:00] Foundation is is working to update that.
[39:03] Who knows if that's next couple of
[39:04] years, but um fall line that was a big
[39:07] request like Ann County was that was a
[39:09] big request for them as well. Like if we
[39:12] approve this,
[39:14] how do we know this is going to provide
[39:16] any benefit to us? Um and in handover's
[39:19] case, they were the first ones their section was the first completed.
[39:23] Actually as Ashlin was first, but they kind of count us out. Excellent.
[39:28] Perfect.
[39:31] No other questions from the board.
[39:33] >> I can't identify it.
[39:36] >> Thank you so much.
[39:37] >> Thank you.
[39:52] » Right by my house.
[39:53] >> Yeah, I do.
[39:56] >> Good evening. I'd like to call to order
[39:58] the August 24th, 2026 regular monthly
[40:00] meetings. Thank you all for coming out.
[40:03] I'd like to ask Mr. McClung if you
[40:05] wouldn't mind starting us off with the
[40:06] pledge of allegiance followed by Mr.
[40:08] Kenny handling the imitation, please.
[40:12] I
[40:12] >> pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[40:15] United States of America and to
[40:17] [clears throat] the republic for it
[40:19] stands, one nation under God,
[40:22] indivisible with liberty and justice for
[40:25] all.
[40:27] Lord Jesus, we thank you so much for
[40:28] allowing us to gather here tonight.
[40:31] We thank you for your words that one of
[40:34] your greatest commands is to
[40:38] I just pray for peace tonight.
[40:41] I just pray that you're here in a mighty
[40:43] way. Father, in Jesus name we pray.
[40:45] >> Amen. Amen.
[40:50] » Thank you. Do I have any requests to
[40:52] postpone agenda items, make any
[40:54] additions, deletions, or changes in the
[40:56] order of presentation?
[40:59] Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion to
[41:01] approve.
[41:02] >> Oh, second.
[41:04] >> All in favor?
[41:05] >> I.
[41:05] >> Any opposed? Hearing none, that'll bring
[41:08] us to board updates.
[41:11] Any uh board updates?
[41:14] I'll go over one. I went to the uh uh
[41:17] general government steering committee.
[41:19] uh that kind of goes over different uh
[41:21] legislation, different um positions that
[41:23] Veo takes on different legislation. And
[41:26] we reviewed several priorities
[41:29] uh two of which thank you uh two of
[41:32] which uh focus on opposing any
[41:36] legislation that removes local authority
[41:39] and the second priority would be uh uh
[41:41] opposing anything um that I guess
[41:45] imposes unfunded mandates on localities.
[41:47] So, those were the two priorities that
[41:50] uh Veo's uh taking strong position on uh
[41:54] moving forward for uh legislation for
[41:56] the general assembly. Any other board
[41:57] updates before we move on?
[41:59] >> Mr. Cherry, I got one.
[41:59] >> Go ahead.
[42:00] >> Uh as y'all know, I live on Pierersburg
[42:02] Road. It's going to be shut down for a
[42:03] while. So, probably a month or two and
[42:06] I've been dealing with VOTE on getting
[42:08] some enhancements [clears throat] to the
[42:09] Stave Mill Dorset intersection. So, we
[42:12] got a a couple signs new signs up. I'm
[42:14] working on getting a flashlight put in
[42:15] there now to help things out. So, That's
[42:17] all I got.
[42:18] >> Thank you.
[42:20] >> That'll move us to the county
[42:22] administrator updates.
[42:23] >> Yeah, thank you. We've uh got some
[42:25] infographics coming up on the screen. Uh
[42:28] but want to make you aware that this
[42:29] Friday is the final movie in the village
[42:32] um movies in the park series for the
[42:34] summer. Uh Parks and Recreation puts on
[42:36] this series through a grant that they
[42:38] were awarded through the Virginia
[42:39] Foundation for Healthy Youth. This
[42:41] Friday's movie is Lilo and Stitch and it
[42:44] begins at dusk at Turner Park. Um, next
[42:48] this Saturday is Guchin Palatan
[42:50] Community Services Board's Hopefest.
[42:53] This is a community event that focuses
[42:55] on substance use and recovery. The event
[42:58] will be held at the CSB's Gland location
[43:00] and it is free and open to the public.
[43:03] Um, next is First Friday's event returns
[43:07] to the village park next Friday,
[43:09] September 4th from 6:00 to 8th. This is
[43:11] a free outdoor concert with vendors on
[43:14] site and the Riverside band will be our
[43:17] musical guest um next Friday evening. Um
[43:21] next, our mobile outreach team is
[43:24] hosting the premiere of Stories of Hope
[43:27] on Tuesday, September 8th from 5 to 7:30
[43:30] here in the Village Building Auditorium.
[43:32] Uh there's a cookout that starts at 5:00
[43:35] pm and that will be followed by the
[43:37] premiere of local storytelling videos
[43:39] that start at 6 pm and this is a
[43:42] campaign that was created to raise
[43:44] awareness and reduce stigma around
[43:46] substance use. Um this is a free event
[43:49] and it's open to the public. So we'll
[43:50] hope to see you there. Um, next, Park
[43:53] and Recreation is offering free yoga in
[43:56] Village Park on Monday mornings
[43:58] throughout the month of September with
[44:00] the exception of Labor Day, which is
[44:02] September 7th. But otherwise, uh, come
[44:05] out and participate in free yoga on
[44:07] Mondays in Village Park. And then the
[44:10] last update we have this evening is the
[44:12] Never Forget Run is scheduled for
[44:14] Friday, September 11th at Powatan High
[44:16] School. Uh, as you know, the 911 attack
[44:19] took the lives of nearly 3,000
[44:21] individuals, 343 of whom were first
[44:24] responders. Um, so the run involves 343
[44:28] laps around the high school track, one
[44:30] lap in honor of each first responder who
[44:33] died on 911. Uh, so we hope you'll be
[44:35] able to join us on uh, Friday, September
[44:38] 11th for this event. Thank you.
[44:41] >> Thank you. All right, that'll bring us
[44:43] to our public comment period. Um, what
[44:46] we'll do now is we'll move into that.
[44:47] And I will tell you, we've got uh three
[44:49] public hearings. So, if you're here for
[44:51] any of the three hearings and you've
[44:53] signed up for the public comment as I
[44:54] call your name, just let me know and
[44:56] we'll we'll move to the next name. Um,
[44:58] so the [clears throat] board will now
[45:00] hear from citizens who wish to speak to
[45:02] the board. Speakers will be recognized
[45:04] in the order in which they signed up.
[45:06] When your name is called, please come to
[45:07] the podium and begin by stating your
[45:09] name and address or voting district.
[45:12] Each speaker will have three minutes as
[45:14] an individual or five minutes for a
[45:16] group as long as you have uh at least
[45:18] three folks here from your group. Uh
[45:20] please direct all comments to the board
[45:22] as a whole and not individual members uh
[45:26] or the audience or staff or any other
[45:29] attendee. Refrain from criticizing
[45:31] specific individuals or groups or using
[45:34] vulgar, rude or threatening language. We
[45:36] will begin now with Matt Fischer.
[45:44] Good evening, chair, chairman, and
[45:47] members of the board. My name is Matt
[45:49] Fischer, 945 River States Court, and I
[45:52] live in district 2 in Palatan County.
[45:54] Thank you for the opportunity to speak
[45:56] tonight. I'm here to respectfully ask
[45:58] the board to remove Motorsports Park as
[46:01] a conditional use in the Agricultural 10
[46:03] zoning district.
[46:05] I believe this change is important
[46:07] because the A10 district is intended to
[46:09] protect agricultural land, rural
[46:11] character, open space, and low inensity
[46:14] uses. A motorsports park is not low
[46:17] inensity agricultural use. It is high
[46:20] impact commercial recreational use, and
[46:22] it brings concerns that are
[46:24] [clears throat] very different from
[46:25] normal farming, forestry, or rural
[46:27] residential activity. POW Powatan's
[46:30] adoptive planning priorities speak
[46:32] clearly about financial stability,
[46:34] public safety, quality of life, and
[46:36] economic development that fits the
[46:38] character of the county. Allowing a
[46:40] motorsports park in A10 areas works
[46:43] against those goals. These facilities
[46:45] can create repeated noise, dust,
[46:47] traffic, vibration, environmental
[46:50] concerns, and emergency service needs in
[46:52] locations that were not planned or built
[46:53] for the level of that activity.
[46:56] There's also a physical concern.
[46:58] Motorsports Park may require sheriff's
[47:00] office response, fire and rescue
[47:02] planning, traffic control, road
[47:04] maintenance, inspections, code
[47:06] enforcement, complaint response, and
[47:08] ongoing monitoring. Those costs can fall
[47:11] on the county and its taxpayers. At the
[47:13] same time, Palatan does not receive an
[47:15] emission tax revenue tied directly to
[47:18] ticket sales. That means the public
[47:20] burden may not be matched by a clear
[47:22] proportional public benefit.
[47:25] Quality of life matters too. People who
[47:27] live in agriculture areas have made
[47:29] decisions based on rural zoning, rural
[47:32] roads, rural quiet, and the expectation
[47:35] that nearby land uses uses will remain
[47:38] compatible with that setting. Even if
[47:40] conditions are placed on a permit, the
[47:42] county still is left to enforce those
[47:44] conditions over time. That is not
[47:46] efficient government and it creates an
[47:49] avoidable an avoidable conflict between
[47:51] an intensive event style use and
[47:53] surrounding rural properties. I want to
[47:55] be clear that the request is not about
[47:57] opposing business or recreation in
[47:59] Palatan. It's about putting the right
[48:01] uses in the right places. If motorsports
[48:04] are ever considered an economic
[48:06] activity, they should be re reviewed in
[48:08] a district and location where road
[48:10] access, infrastructure, surrounding
[48:12] uses, emergency services, and
[48:14] environmental protections can reasonably
[48:16] support them.
[48:19] For those reasons, I've respectfully
[48:20] asked the board to amend the zoning
[48:22] ordinance and remove motorsports park as
[48:24] a conditional use in the A10 district.
[48:27] Doing so would protect Palatan's
[48:28] agriculture in rural areas, reduce
[48:31] avoidable public service burdens,
[48:33] support the county's long-term planning
[48:35] goals, and help ensure the future
[48:36] development remains compatible Powatan's
[48:39] character. Thank you for your time, your
[48:41] service, and your consideration.
[48:43] >> Thank you,
[48:46] >> Robert Kelly.
[48:56] Good evening, Robert Kelly, District 2.
[48:59] Good evening, Mr. Chairman and
[49:00] Supervisors. I'm rising to speak in
[49:04] regards to Throttle Therapy's proposed
[49:06] conditional use permit. Yes.
[49:08] >> I would ask that you hold your comments
[49:09] until the public hearing for that.
[49:11] >> Oh, okay.
[49:13] >> Thank you.
[49:15] >> Pete Cisty,
[49:17] >> same. Mr. Chair,
[49:18] >> same. Uh, Virginia Morgan.
[49:45] Hello, my name is Virginia Morgan and I
[49:47] live at 2649 Glen Ridge Terrace and
[49:51] Glenn Brook subdivision. I am speaking
[49:54] in support of an ordinance to prohibit
[49:56] the discharge of firearms and or
[49:58] pneumatic guns in residential
[50:00] neighborhoods in Powatan County. And the
[50:02] current strategic plan adopted by you,
[50:04] the board of supervisors, it states that
[50:06] the safety and well-being of our
[50:08] residents is paramount. The time is here
[50:11] for you to stand behind that priority
[50:12] and take action to ensure this takes
[50:14] place. From January through June of this
[50:17] year, law enforcement responded to 115
[50:20] calls about the discharging of guns in
[50:22] this county that included at least 18
[50:25] residential neighborhoods. This isn't
[50:27] just an isolated issue in Glenbrook. It
[50:30] is a countywide problem that the county
[50:32] data confirms. This is a safety issue.
[50:36] It is not about politics. It's not about
[50:38] changing the county's history or
[50:40] culture. And it's certainly not about
[50:41] infringing on the Second Amendment. I am
[50:44] a gun owner myself. This issue was about
[50:46] residents feeling safe on their own
[50:48] property.
[50:50] I have invited you all as well as others
[50:52] out to my home to see the setup
[50:54] firsthand. Some of you have taken me up
[50:56] on this and the consensus has been the
[50:58] same. This is not something that should
[51:01] be taking place in this environment.
[51:03] Deputies have told us not to go in our
[51:05] backyard and some have even refused to
[51:07] walk onto certain areas of our property
[51:09] because of the shooting. If this isn't
[51:11] the definition of unsafe, then I don't
[51:13] know what is. I want you to ask
[51:15] yourselves, is this somewhere you would
[51:17] want to live? What if you were not able
[51:20] to enjoy your backyard? What if you
[51:22] didn't feel safe on your own property?
[51:25] Would you be comfortable if your
[51:26] children or grandchildren played in our
[51:28] backyard? I'm sure the answer is no. If
[51:32] this was happening to you at your home,
[51:33] you would definitely want action taken
[51:35] to protect you and your family. Law
[51:38] enforcement wants help, but until an
[51:40] ordinance is written that they can
[51:41] enforce, there's nothing they can do.
[51:44] This is something that you can fix. You
[51:46] have the authority to take action. You
[51:49] have residents asking you for a basic
[51:51] safety measure to protect them. You also
[51:54] have a responsibility to ensure the
[51:56] safety and well-being of the residents
[51:58] of this county. This ordinance isn't
[52:00] meant to ban gun use everywhere in the
[52:03] county. It's about location. It's about
[52:06] protecting the safety and quality of
[52:08] life in residential neighborhoods where
[52:10] homes are closer together while lawful
[52:13] shooting continues elsewhere in the
[52:15] county.
[52:16] You have made commitments. You have said
[52:19] safety is your priority. Your strategic
[52:21] plan says so. Law enforcement has been
[52:24] clear about what they need. The only
[52:26] thing standing between the residents and
[52:28] their peace of mind is your followth
[52:30] through. So, I am asking you to please
[52:32] do the right thing and approve an
[52:34] ordinance to protect those of us that
[52:36] live in residential areas of the county
[52:38] so that we can feel safe and find peace
[52:40] in our homes and on our properties.
[52:43] Thank you.
[52:44] >> Thank you, Teresa Kelly.
[52:50] [clears throat]
[52:51] >> Mr. Chairman, members of the board, I'm
[52:53] Teresa Kelly and I live in District 2.
[52:56] Um, thank you for allowing me to speak.
[52:57] I am also here to respectfully ask the
[52:59] board to remove motorsports park as a
[53:02] conditional you conditional use permit
[53:04] from agriculture 10 zoning in the palan
[53:07] palatan county strategic plan strategic
[53:10] priority six rural heritage and resource
[53:13] preservation. This priority focuses on
[53:15] ensuring that as palatan grows it
[53:17] maintains those characteristics that
[53:20] make it a unique alternative to the more
[53:22] developed areas of the region. These
[53:24] features include active farms, managed
[53:27] and natural re resource, sorry, managed
[53:30] and natural forests, undisturbed lands,
[53:32] fields, waterways, and historic
[53:34] structures. The network of bike trails
[53:37] by definition is disrupting to a forest.
[53:40] It requires cutting underbrush and
[53:42] continuously clearing vegetation. Soil erosion and waterway
[53:46] pollution. dirt bike trails on rolled
[53:49] terrain caused severe soil compaction
[53:52] and accelerated uh erosion. Stripping
[53:55] the forest of floor vegetation, sorry.
[53:59] Stripping the floors for a vegetation
[54:01] cover means that when it rains, mud,
[54:03] sediment, and trace automotive fluids
[54:06] will wash directly into local creeks,
[54:08] rivers, and ponds. This directly
[54:11] violates the county's commitment to
[54:12] clean waterways. The purpose of A10 is
[54:16] to maintain agrarian and lowdensity
[54:18] rural character of the county that
[54:21] optimizes economic use of the county's
[54:23] prime farmland and forest land resources
[54:26] and defines countryside appearance and
[54:28] rural character of areas designated as
[54:31] rural preservation areas in the
[54:33] comprehensive plan. A commercial or
[54:35] highintensity recreational ride park is
[54:38] not a farming or forestry operation. It
[54:41] introduces an intense non-aggricultural
[54:44] commercial land use into a zone meant
[54:46] for quiet countryside living. Please
[54:49] understand, I am not against motorsports
[54:52] park or outdoor recreation. However, we
[54:56] must exercise due diligence to ensure
[54:58] commercial activities align with local
[55:00] zoning regulation. For these reasons and
[55:03] those already stated, I am respectfully
[55:06] asking the board to amend the zoning
[55:08] ordinance to remove motorsports park as
[55:10] a conditional use permit from
[55:12] agriculture 10 zoning. Thank you for
[55:14] your time and service to our county.
[55:16] >> Thank you,
[55:20] » Tommy Broaden.
[55:29] Mr. chairman and fellow board members.
[55:32] I'm Tommy Broton from 2452 Judes Ferry
[55:35] Road and I'm not uh here to speak about
[55:39] anything that you have direct control
[55:42] over, but I would ask you if you could
[55:45] please pass on to VOTE that the roads in
[55:49] this county, the grass has not been cut
[55:52] this year. I've lived in the county for
[55:54] 53 years. It's the first time the road
[55:57] has never been cut in front of my house
[55:59] and most everywhere else across the
[56:02] county. Uh, Route 60 has was partially
[56:06] cut, but today is the first day of
[56:08] school
[56:10] and
[56:11] that intersection at Judy and Route 60
[56:16] grass is three feet or more high and
[56:19] we've got new young drivers there. uh
[56:23] and they needed to be safe. So, uh as
[56:28] some of you know, I retired from the
[56:31] sheriff's office uh some 20 years ago
[56:33] now, but uh I've been one of the first
[56:36] responders that has had to go tell
[56:39] people that their child has been killed
[56:41] in accidents, and I hate to see any more
[56:45] have to do that. Uh, and I know of five
[56:49] or six fatalities at that intersection.
[56:53] So, I would just ask you to pass the
[56:55] word on to please do something with the
[56:58] roads. Thank you.
[56:59] >> Thank you,
[57:06] » Steve Barl.
[57:20] David Baron live third district. Uh had
[57:24] seen y'all for a while. I'm sure y'all
[57:25] miss me. Uh I got a couple things
[57:28] comment from the last meeting. [snorts]
[57:31] Uh I'm one of those old people. Be 65
[57:34] years old. I'm one of those people that
[57:36] supposedly
[57:37] don't want to pay my taxes, support the
[57:39] schools. My house, my property is
[57:42] bringing down the value of this county
[57:45] according to Barbara Brown. I'm sorry.
[57:49] That is it is just ludicrous.
[57:52] I didn't paid taxes in this county
[57:55] for over 30, 35 years, personal and
[57:58] business.
[58:00] I'll tell you as a personal insult. So
[58:02] the whole lot of other older people in
[58:03] this county. I'm old. I admit it, but to
[58:06] say something like that is embarrassing.
[58:09] Shows lack of knowledge as far as I'm
[58:11] concerned. Now, I'm going to get to some
[58:12] other issues. I haven't been here cuz I
[58:14] got a family member that's pretty well
[58:17] sick. I'm going to take care of her. We
[58:19] can't comment. Come to the meetings. The
[58:22] board before this let you call in, speak
[58:26] your mind. Now, if you don't want to
[58:27] take my tax money and my wife's tax
[58:29] money, I don't care if I can speak or
[58:32] not, but I have a right to speak just
[58:35] because I can't make it here and a whole
[58:36] lot of other older people don't like
[58:39] driving at night. It's getting harder as
[58:40] you get older. You'll find out.
[58:43] So, I'm just saying please go back and
[58:46] let people call in, voice their opinion,
[58:49] be heard. You're probably not going to
[58:51] listen anyway, but at least make us feel
[58:53] better. Now, if y'all don't want to do
[58:55] that, there thing called the American
[58:57] Disabilities Act and it's a group I
[59:00] can't stand. ACLU, I know they would
[59:02] love to dive into this because you're
[59:04] all supposedly a Republican party board
[59:06] by power county by your taxing and
[59:10] spending ways. Uh, sorry, that's a joke.
[59:14] So, I'm just asking you to please
[59:16] consider that. Since I got another
[59:18] minute or so, I'll dive into a few other
[59:20] things.
[59:23] Last meeting, Mr. Denady, and I like
[59:25] you. I think you're a nice guy. He
[59:27] called Mr. Booth out about three or four
[59:29] times for speaking, making comments.
[59:32] Told him, "Be quiet. Won't be no
[59:34] applause. Won't be this." So far
[59:35] tonight, we have divied away from that.
[59:37] I think you'll miss Mr. Booth an
[59:39] apology. He can get a little crazy, a
[59:41] little radical. I know he's a neighbor
[59:43] of mine, but he's sincere and he means
[59:46] what he says. He's trying to do what's
[59:48] right by this county.
[59:50] I hope y'all listen to your planning
[59:53] commission. Y'all obviously didn't last
[59:54] time with Meltonville and all that
[59:56] stuff. Now, I got this to say. This gun
[1:00:00] issue thing
[1:00:01] been a life member
[1:00:04] the NRA for 55 years. My wife doesn't
[1:00:08] like hunting. She owns a gun. The first
[1:00:09] gift my son got when he was one year old
[1:00:11] was a life membership in the NRA. I'm
[1:00:14] telling every one of you sitting up
[1:00:15] there. Only one I have any dictate over
[1:00:17] to is Mr. Powers. in my district. Don't
[1:00:20] mess with the gun rights of people in
[1:00:22] this county. I'd love to stay, but I got
[1:00:23] to go home and take care of my wife. God
[1:00:25] bless you and good luck tonight.
[1:00:34] » Send
[1:00:49] Good evening. My name is Cindy Bootton.
[1:00:52] I live at 4343 Ridge Road, Palatan.
[1:00:55] Um, couple of issues. First, I wanted to
[1:00:59] inform the board where I live.
[1:01:03] Um, I have neighbors that are at least
[1:01:06] 1,500 to 2,000 feet away and they have
[1:01:11] two children that if the weather permits
[1:01:15] on their dirt bikes at least 3 hours a
[1:01:18] day, the evening hours when people like
[1:01:21] to relax and enjoy their evening after
[1:01:24] work, have some quiet time. Not at my
[1:01:27] house.
[1:01:29] And I don't mean to be mean, but every
[1:01:33] time I hear them, I hope one of them
[1:01:35] wrecks.
[1:01:37] Not that I want them to die,
[1:01:41] but I'd like one of them hurt bad enough
[1:01:42] that they gave up the motorcycles so I
[1:01:45] can enjoy some peace and quiet. I have
[1:01:49] anxiety issues, and I should be able to
[1:01:52] relax at home in my yard. The other
[1:01:57] thing is on and I've got 55 acres. I'm
[1:02:01] in the middle of it. I did my best with
[1:02:04] what I could afford to protect myself. I
[1:02:07] moved out here where there wasn't
[1:02:09] anybody here.
[1:02:11] Uh I have neighbors now shooting on all
[1:02:14] four sides of me and I know the Second
[1:02:16] Amendment right allows them the right to
[1:02:19] own a firearm. I don't have a problem
[1:02:22] with them owning a firearm. What I have
[1:02:25] a problem with is me feeling like I'm in
[1:02:29] a battlefield in my own yard. There
[1:02:33] should be one or two days a week that
[1:02:36] the board could come up with that it's
[1:02:38] quiet time for everybody in the county.
[1:02:41] The guys get to play with their guns.
[1:02:44] They get to hunt. I can't quit. I can't
[1:02:47] make this make them stop, but I would
[1:02:49] appreciate some kind of Nor's ordinance
[1:02:51] that puts an evening and a morning time
[1:02:56] be before which they can't shoot and
[1:02:59] after which they can't shoot. And I
[1:03:01] would like two days a week when it's
[1:03:04] quiet time for old people like me
[1:03:08] to have some peace and quiet and not
[1:03:10] have to take an anxiety pill. Okay. I
[1:03:14] think it's only fair they get to have
[1:03:16] their guns. I should have the right to
[1:03:22] what's it say?
[1:03:24] Life, liberty, and the pursuit of
[1:03:25] happiness.
[1:03:27] Quiet time is my pursuit of happiness.
[1:03:31] And I should be allowed that just as
[1:03:33] much as they should be allowed to have a
[1:03:35] gun and shoot. And the other thing is
[1:03:38] the reason I told you about the
[1:03:40] motorcycle kids, you've got a subject
[1:03:43] coming up tonight that relates to that.
[1:03:46] I just wanted you to know how far away
[1:03:48] from them I live and I still have to
[1:03:52] deal with the noise. And I'm 70 years
[1:03:56] old, worked hard all my life.
[1:04:00] I should I should have been able to earn
[1:04:03] the right to live in my yard in peace as
[1:04:07] well as these kids having fun.
[1:04:10] >> Thank you.
[1:04:13] >> April May,
[1:04:24] I'm April May. I live at 3571 Pine View
[1:04:27] Drive. Thank you, board, for hearing us.
[1:04:30] I'm here to I'm a horrible speaker too,
[1:04:32] by the way, so bear with me. Um, for you
[1:04:35] to deny the CPU in the resoning for
[1:04:38] throttle therapy.
[1:04:38] >> Would you mind just hanging on to your
[1:04:39] comments until we get to that?
[1:04:41] >> That just gives me more time to
[1:04:42] practice.
[1:04:42] >> Absolutely. [laughter]
[1:04:46] >> Don May.
[1:04:48] >> Okay. Uh, Janet Newton.
[1:04:58] » Good afternoon. I'm Janet Newton, 2933
[1:05:01] Lake Louise Drive, District 3. Um, I'm
[1:05:05] here again to discuss Lake Louise. Lake
[1:05:08] Louise has once again come um to the
[1:05:10] forefront on social media this week.
[1:05:12] People want answers. I would like to
[1:05:15] address the instability of the dam that
[1:05:17] supports Mountain View Road. It
[1:05:19] continues to grow with every weather
[1:05:21] event. Um, Lake Louise, for those that
[1:05:24] don't know, was sold at a delinquent tax
[1:05:26] auction for $2,500, almost 7 acres of a
[1:05:29] lake. People say to us, 14 lot owners,
[1:05:33] uh, you're always up there at the board
[1:05:34] of supervisors meeting, why didn't you
[1:05:36] buy the lake? How do you buy something
[1:05:39] that you don't know is for sale? We were
[1:05:42] blindsided by this.
[1:05:44] Reason being a couple of years prior we
[1:05:47] had um went to the county and asked
[1:05:49] about purchasing the lake and we were
[1:05:51] told all back taxes between 20 and
[1:05:54] $30,000 is what it would take to buy
[1:05:57] that lake. So yeah, we were blindsided.
[1:06:00] Jim and Deborah Reynolds bought it for
[1:06:01] $2,500
[1:06:03] and then offered it for sale on social
[1:06:05] media to us for $54,000.
[1:06:09] when we said we didn't weren't
[1:06:11] interested in buying it for that um they
[1:06:14] said we were going to destroy your
[1:06:16] recreational deed rights and they did uh
[1:06:19] we have a cave-in now on Mountain View
[1:06:21] Road and as I said earlier the dam
[1:06:24] supports Mountain View Road and that
[1:06:25] cave-in grows with every weather event
[1:06:28] and we've had a lot of weather recently
[1:06:31] deeq and V do have all been involved
[1:06:34] since last year and have requested the
[1:06:36] rentals to stabilize the area They
[1:06:38] pretty much thumb their noses at these
[1:06:40] requests because the situation gets
[1:06:42] worse as I said every weather event.
[1:06:46] They destroyed a thriving ecosystem, a
[1:06:48] 7acre lake. We witnessed a horrible fish
[1:06:51] kill. They uh didn't get any required
[1:06:54] permits to do this. They did this in
[1:06:56] broad daylight. And I have pictures of
[1:06:58] the individual who shoveled out that
[1:07:00] Virginia protected creek in a lame uh
[1:07:04] attempt to destroy that lake. our
[1:07:06] property values tanked by 30%. Thank
[1:07:09] goodness you guys took that into account
[1:07:11] and gave us the 25% reduction in our
[1:07:15] taxes. Um, yes. Ironically, the owners,
[1:07:19] Jim and Deborah Reynolds, live in Lake
[1:07:21] Shaun and serve on that board. I'm
[1:07:24] asking the board tonight, what can you
[1:07:26] do to compel these folks to comply with
[1:07:29] stabilizing the area? Trees fall. Um,
[1:07:32] we've got them off the road. Um, it's
[1:07:35] very unstable. Sediments flowing
[1:07:37] downstream, discolored water, please get
[1:07:40] your well water tested. If you live
[1:07:42] downstream,
[1:07:44] if if agencies are keeping a close eye
[1:07:47] on the instability, are you going at it
[1:07:50] um from the road? Uh you're not going to
[1:07:52] get a very good view. Come to my
[1:07:54] backyard. I invite you to. I have the
[1:07:56] best view of what's going on at that
[1:07:58] cavein. And you'll see why I'm up here
[1:08:01] every month to ask these questions.
[1:08:05] Thank you.
[1:08:05] >> Thank you,
[1:08:09] » James Cave.
[1:08:14] » Okay. All right. We'll come out of the
[1:08:18] comment period and move to appointments.
[1:08:23] There are two library board appointments
[1:08:25] on the agenda. One for the district
[1:08:27] three seat and one at large seat. You
[1:08:30] have three applications in your packet
[1:08:32] and all three applicants reside in
[1:08:34] district three.
[1:08:41] [clears throat]
[1:08:42] >> Go ahead.
[1:08:45] I'm asking for board consideration for
[1:08:47] the appointment of Joanne Fico and of uh
[1:08:51] Arthur Gregory uh to the uh library
[1:08:55] board.
[1:08:56] >> Second.
[1:08:59] >> All in favor?
[1:09:00] >> I.
[1:09:01] >> Any oppose?
[1:09:03] Hearing? None. That passes and bring us
[1:09:04] to our consent agenda.
[1:09:06] >> Mr. Chairman, could I have one more
[1:09:07] minute? Um
[1:09:08] >> we were fortunate to have three
[1:09:10] applicants and uh we only had two
[1:09:12] positions open. Uh, and I want to just
[1:09:14] uh call out um Mrs. Fluitt who applied
[1:09:18] and thank her for her interest in the
[1:09:20] county and encourage her to continue to
[1:09:23] look to uh volunteer time. We need as
[1:09:27] much help as we can get and I thank her
[1:09:29] for her interest. Thank you, Mr.
[1:09:31] Chairman.
[1:09:33] >> Thank you. I'll move us to consent.
[1:09:36] >> Items A through C on the consent agenda
[1:09:39] are minutes approvals from prior board
[1:09:41] meetings.
[1:09:44] Item D is a budget action to accept
[1:09:48] state funding, insurance recoveries, and
[1:09:50] farmers market fees and appropriate
[1:09:51] these funds for their intended uses.
[1:09:54] Item E is a budget action to accept just
[1:09:57] over $9,800 in additional state library
[1:10:00] aid. Item F is an action referring four
[1:10:04] zoning ordinance text amendments to the
[1:10:06] planning commission. uh each addresses
[1:10:08] changes in state law that uh that
[1:10:10] require corresponding updates to our
[1:10:12] county local ordinances. And item G is
[1:10:16] an annual certification confirming that
[1:10:18] the county has used CBTA funding only
[1:10:21] for eligible transportation related
[1:10:23] projects.
[1:10:26] » Mr. Agy, item G with that. Do we have
[1:10:29] that listed anywhere for public
[1:10:31] knowledge? The uh the projects that
[1:10:34] we've spent funding on in fiscal year 26
[1:10:37] are on the Carter Gallier project. Uh we
[1:10:40] spent just over $4,000 on an appraisal
[1:10:43] and a rightaway plat. And then we spent
[1:10:46] uh $512,000
[1:10:48] on the arch project at Route 13 and
[1:10:51] Route 60.
[1:10:52] >> Well, we can make those available if
[1:10:54] somewhere you were to ask.
[1:10:55] >> We can.
[1:10:56] >> Okay.
[1:11:01] M. Go ahead, Mr. Powers.
[1:11:03] >> I have one question on F will
[1:11:06] >> Did he change his name?
[1:11:07] >> It's okay. Go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead.
[1:11:08] >> Sorry. Yeah. Um,
[1:11:10] will on item F,
[1:11:13] are we before the referral to the
[1:11:16] planning commission on the voting
[1:11:18] ordinate text, does the board get to
[1:11:20] review the text or is that something
[1:11:21] they're going to draft?
[1:11:22] >> So, tonight you're just referring these
[1:11:25] items to the planning commission. And
[1:11:26] these were the items uh that we talked
[1:11:28] about during 2 by twos that um
[1:11:31] legislative changes at the state level
[1:11:33] has trickled down and now necessitates
[1:11:35] some adjustment in our local zoning
[1:11:37] ordinances. So the uh planning
[1:11:38] commission will pick them up and then
[1:11:40] they'll come back um to the board after
[1:11:43] the planning commission's reviewed those four items.
[1:11:45] >> Thank you,
[1:11:47] >> Mr. Ch. Mr. Powers. Go ahead. I'd like
[1:11:50] to ask the board to consider uh some
[1:11:52] edits to the um minutes of July 27th
[1:11:58] uh on page 22 of your packet. Um
[1:12:02] and specifically uh there at the in the
[1:12:05] first sentence which reads 2850 Red Lane
[1:12:07] Road, director of Pony Creek
[1:12:09] Veterinarian House. It should say horse.
[1:12:14] If you make that change, please. And in
[1:12:17] the uh third sentence there, it
[1:12:19] currently says um her existing
[1:12:21] structures are residential dwellings
[1:12:24] rather than 180day seasonal camping
[1:12:27] cabins. Um I'd like to edit that so that
[1:12:30] the resulting
[1:12:32] uh phrase it says simply the resulting
[1:12:34] portion of the sentence should then read
[1:12:36] her existing 180day seasonal camping
[1:12:39] cabins.
[1:12:44] And to that end, I would like to make a
[1:12:46] motion that we accept um those changes
[1:12:50] to the minutes as suggested.
[1:12:52] >> Any uh any comments in reference to the edits?
[1:13:01] » Second.
[1:13:02] >> Hearing none, we got a second on the
[1:13:03] floor. All in favor?
[1:13:04] >> Just clarify that that's for the entire
[1:13:06] consent agenda.
[1:13:07] >> I'm sorry. Yeah, for the entire consent
[1:13:08] agenda.
[1:13:12] » All in favor?
[1:13:13] >> I Any oppose? Hearing none. Moves us to
[1:13:16] action items.
[1:13:18] >> Um, item A under action items is a
[1:13:21] budget action and Miss Schubert is here
[1:13:23] for an overview.
[1:13:26] » Item [clears throat]
[1:13:28] A is resolution R202648.
[1:13:31] That's budgeting and appropriating uh
[1:13:33] $219,8465
[1:13:36] to the fisc year 26 budget in our grants
[1:13:40] fund. Periodically throughout the year,
[1:13:42] we get grants and donations that are put
[1:13:45] in this fund that can only be spent for
[1:13:47] specific purposes. Uh the majority of of
[1:13:50] this resolution is for an opioid
[1:13:53] abatement cooperative grant that we
[1:13:54] received. Uh we're in a cooperative
[1:13:57] grant with Chesterfield, Colonial
[1:13:59] Heights, and Petersburg that we receive
[1:14:02] money from the state's opioid abatement
[1:14:03] authority to do outreach, mobile
[1:14:05] outreach. Um and so that's the majority
[1:14:08] of the resolution. Uh we also get um
[1:14:11] national opioid settlement money per
[1:14:14] periodically throughout the year based
[1:14:15] on a class action settlement. And so as
[1:14:17] I receive those we get those
[1:14:20] appropriated um to be used at a a future
[1:14:23] time. Um, and then the others are triad
[1:14:27] library, some animal shelter donations,
[1:14:29] project lifesaver, uh, sheriff
[1:14:32] donations, Earth Day, our junior
[1:14:34] emergency technician donations for that
[1:14:36] program, and parks and rec scholarship
[1:14:39] program.
[1:14:44] » Any questions?
[1:14:47] All
[1:14:50] right.
[1:14:52] Open the floor up for a motion.
[1:15:01] R 202648
[1:15:04] that amends the fiscal year two 2026
[1:15:08] Paladin County operating budget and
[1:15:11] appropriating $219
[1:15:15] 8465
[1:15:18] in grants and funding for miscellaneous
[1:15:20] grants and donations.
[1:15:22] >> Second.
[1:15:23] >> All in favor? I.
[1:15:25] >> Any oppose?
[1:15:28] Item B is a budget action that assigns
[1:15:30] $900,000 for use by the state mill turn
[1:15:33] lane project. And we'll turn it over to
[1:15:35] Miss. Uh this resolution is amending the
[1:15:37] fiscical year 27 uh operating budget by
[1:15:40] 900,000 in our central Virginia
[1:15:43] Transportation Authority fund. Um these
[1:15:46] this was a grant uh the money this is
[1:15:48] money being held at the state CVTA. We
[1:15:50] applied for a grant of 900,000 to help
[1:15:54] um put an additional turn lane at Stave
[1:15:56] Mill.
[1:15:58] >> Can you can you dive into greater detail
[1:16:00] with the fact that we just approved
[1:16:02] regional money just a few months ago?
[1:16:07] » The
[1:16:08] >> I uh I can dive into that.
[1:16:09] >> Okay, [clears throat] you dive into
[1:16:09] that.
[1:16:10] >> Yeah. So on uh this is a project where
[1:16:12] we were awarded $1.8 million in CVTA
[1:16:15] regional funding to complete this turn
[1:16:17] lane. Um, but we reached out to Wawwa,
[1:16:19] the developer of the uh of that corner
[1:16:22] on Stave Mill and Route 60, and we're
[1:16:25] collaborating with that project to have
[1:16:27] their contractor build the turn lane uh
[1:16:30] while they're mobilized for that
[1:16:31] project. Um, they're going to be able to
[1:16:33] do that at a reduced cost, which we're
[1:16:36] estimating at $900,000. So, that's why
[1:16:38] the amount is different than the 1.8
[1:16:41] that we were awarded from CBTA regional
[1:16:43] funding.
[1:16:47] Any follow-up questions on that?
[1:16:53] » So, we're not we're basically taking 900
[1:16:55] of that 1.8 that we were already
[1:16:56] awarded.
[1:16:57] >> Exactly.
[1:16:57] >> Just want to I just want to make sure
[1:16:58] that that's clear. And [clears throat]
[1:17:05] I'll make a motion uh that we uh approve
[1:17:08] resolution R2026-49
[1:17:11] amending the fiscal year 2027 Palan
[1:17:15] County operating budget by uh budgeting
[1:17:17] and appropriating 900,000 in CBTA fund.
[1:17:20] >> Second.
[1:17:21] >> All in favor?
[1:17:22] >> I.
[1:17:22] >> Any oppose?
[1:17:25] Hearing none that passes. Thank you for
[1:17:26] the clarification.
[1:17:28] Item C is our last budget amendment and
[1:17:30] this is to the Powank County Public
[1:17:32] Schools budget and we'll turn it over
[1:17:33] again to Miss Schubert.
[1:17:34] >> Uh yes, resolution R202651
[1:17:37] is actually reducing the school's um
[1:17:41] operational budget by $164,95.
[1:17:45] As we know, the state did not approve
[1:17:47] their budget till June 29th. And so
[1:17:50] therefore, the schools received the new
[1:17:53] CL tool from the Virginia Department of
[1:17:55] Education. And once they applied that
[1:17:57] with the ADM, they had a reduction in
[1:17:59] basic aid. And then but they did get um
[1:18:02] an increase of 70,000 of state sales
[1:18:05] tax, but a reduction of basic aid of
[1:18:06] 235,191.
[1:18:09] Um they are proposing they're reducing
[1:18:11] um instruction by 14,800, operation and
[1:18:15] maintenance by 24,176,
[1:18:18] and then the contingency line by
[1:18:20] $125,929.
[1:18:25] questions.
[1:18:31] I'll entertain a motion.
[1:18:36] » I make a motion we approve resolution R
[1:18:38] 2026-51.
[1:18:41] » All in favor?
[1:18:43] >> Any oppose?
[1:18:45] >> Hearing none, it passes. 50.
[1:18:48] >> And item D is a resolution to approve
[1:18:50] the CSB annual performance contract. and
[1:18:53] Mr. Toby Fritz, who's the executive
[1:18:55] director for the CSB, uh, is with us
[1:18:58] tonight for an overview.
[1:19:10] Good evening everyone. Uh, Chairman
[1:19:12] Nani, members of the board, and uh, Mr.
[1:19:14] Hegy, thank you so much for the
[1:19:15] invitation to come here and speak this
[1:19:18] evening. Um, I promise I will keep it
[1:19:20] under the aotted time at 10 minutes. I
[1:19:23] probably will be done in five. I can
[1:19:24] talk kind of quickly. I just want to
[1:19:26] talk briefly first about uh who we are
[1:19:29] in case some folks here haven't heard of
[1:19:30] the CSB and then talk about some amazing
[1:19:33] things that happened in fiscal year 26
[1:19:36] and then as as Mr. Hegy mentioned the
[1:19:38] ask tonight to look at our performance
[1:19:40] contract uh for the next year. So, a
[1:19:44] community services board, you may hear
[1:19:46] me say CSB, that a community services
[1:19:48] board is the uh entity that was created
[1:19:53] by statute. Um, Gland Palatin Community
[1:19:56] Services was started in 1982
[1:19:59] and we are the local option, the local
[1:20:02] entry point for mental health,
[1:20:05] developmental, and services and
[1:20:07] substance use recovery services. We're
[1:20:09] the public safety net for any publicly
[1:20:11] funded uh services, the mental health de
[1:20:14] developmental services and uh substance
[1:20:16] use recovery. So we are the one door for
[1:20:20] folks that have questions about any of
[1:20:22] those types of services to come in.
[1:20:25] So if you remember anything about
[1:20:27] tonight, just remember if you have
[1:20:28] questions about any of those services,
[1:20:30] start with us, please. So uh what we do,
[1:20:33] I mentioned those three categories. The
[1:20:35] one um blog that's up there, same day
[1:20:38] access. I want to make sure I highlight
[1:20:40] that we have a service that's available
[1:20:43] Monday through Friday the working hours
[1:20:45] that if somebody is in a habit of moment
[1:20:48] and they want to come get an assessment
[1:20:49] they can walk in. We call it same day
[1:20:51] access and last year 187 of our
[1:20:55] residents took care of it that took
[1:20:56] advantage of that service here in
[1:20:58] Palatan. So that was a a number that
[1:21:00] we're really happy with. Um, so there
[1:21:02] are a lot of services up there, 23
[1:21:04] different services actually that we do
[1:21:06] at the CSB from assessments of a toddler
[1:21:10] the whole way up through a 2 a.m. crisis
[1:21:12] call. Now, we partner with um folks in
[1:21:15] Richmond to cover those uh after hours,
[1:21:18] evenings, weekends calls because we're
[1:21:20] too small for that, but we have a lot of
[1:21:22] services there that we can help
[1:21:23] somebody. Um, so in fiscal year 26 there
[1:21:27] was 711 of our neighbors that we served
[1:21:30] over 24,000 different services. So
[1:21:34] basically that's one in 45 people in
[1:21:37] Palatin County that we were able to
[1:21:38] serve. And throughout the year there
[1:21:41] were approximately 100 services on any
[1:21:44] given day that we were open that we
[1:21:46] delivered for people in Palatin County.
[1:21:48] So we're really proud of those numbers.
[1:21:50] Um, another number that I'm a little
[1:21:52] really proud of is our net promoter
[1:21:54] score. If you've ever heard of a net
[1:21:56] promoter score, that's that question you
[1:21:58] get. How likely are you refer to refer
[1:22:01] somebody to Palace and Community
[1:22:03] Services? You probably get that question
[1:22:05] about a restaurant or a medical office
[1:22:07] um all the time. But the scores after
[1:22:10] the calculations are done range from
[1:22:11] negative 100 to 100. And anything above
[1:22:15] 50 is generally considered excellent. So
[1:22:17] our score of 74 is something that we're
[1:22:19] really proud of.
[1:22:22] Um, one of the programs that folks may
[1:22:24] recognize is Monikin. We're based right
[1:22:26] here in this building. Uh, we'll be
[1:22:28] based over in our new building. When we
[1:22:29] get it done, I'll talk about our new
[1:22:31] building here briefly. But one of the
[1:22:33] things that was very cool um from last
[1:22:35] year was that our Monican program in
[1:22:38] their talent show was featured on the
[1:22:39] cover of the annual uh VACSB, the
[1:22:43] Virginia Association of Community
[1:22:44] Services Board on their annual report.
[1:22:46] So, I thought that was a pretty cool
[1:22:48] recognition. Um, one of the other pieces
[1:22:50] of data for that program is the state
[1:22:53] requires that we hit 50% uh of community
[1:22:57] engagement. We had 79. So that was uh
[1:23:00] something that we blew out of the water.
[1:23:01] Really happy with that. And something
[1:23:04] that um will mentioned earlier, the uh
[1:23:08] helpfest, it's a partnership that we're
[1:23:09] doing with substance use and recovery.
[1:23:11] But one of the other things that we're
[1:23:13] happy about with Monikin is a lot of
[1:23:15] partnerships that we have there that
[1:23:17] folks participate in in packing the
[1:23:19] backpacks of love, doing the judging
[1:23:22] Halloween contest and things like that.
[1:23:24] So great program that I I love I love
[1:23:27] seeing. Just to talk briefly about the
[1:23:30] people who do the work, there are just
[1:23:32] under 100 folks that work for the CSB.
[1:23:35] Um and 88% of them last year voted uh
[1:23:38] Gushland Palace and Community Services
[1:23:40] as a great place to work. That great
[1:23:42] place to work certification is an
[1:23:44] international certification. So it's a third party that does the
[1:23:48] certification. Uh 88% of CSB workers
[1:23:52] said that that's compared to 57% of a
[1:23:54] typical US company. 99% uh feel good
[1:23:58] about what we do for the community. I
[1:24:00] think that's a lot of why we're all
[1:24:01] here. And um every person that completed
[1:24:04] our survey said they were satisfied with
[1:24:06] what we have to offer. So some upcoming
[1:24:09] milestones I mentioned our building. So
[1:24:11] everybody may have seen our new building
[1:24:13] that's under construction uh just close
[1:24:15] to the admin building. We're
[1:24:17] anticipating being able to occupy the
[1:24:20] building and start delivering services
[1:24:21] there in the spring of 2027.
[1:24:25] Another um project that's underway is a
[1:24:28] revamp of our website. we were able to
[1:24:31] get a grant to fund that and hopefully
[1:24:34] come up with a website that will really
[1:24:36] invite people in, help uh walk them
[1:24:38] through our front doors in terms of
[1:24:40] finding the type of service that they're
[1:24:42] looking for. Um, and something else that
[1:24:44] I'm really proud of, um, our
[1:24:46] developmental services team. I mentioned
[1:24:48] same day access. That's for mental
[1:24:49] health and substance use. They created
[1:24:52] something for developmental services
[1:24:53] because folks have questions, a lot of
[1:24:56] questions accessing waiver services. I
[1:24:59] mean the process there is is complicated
[1:25:02] and so there's always questions. So they
[1:25:04] created that um DD access and started
[1:25:06] that July one and um so that's really
[1:25:09] great that we have that in place now. So
[1:25:11] the performance contract so that is the
[1:25:15] document that is put out by the state
[1:25:16] that covers all of our um all CSPs. Um
[1:25:20] so we're in the second year of this
[1:25:22] current performance contract and so
[1:25:24] there were amendments that were
[1:25:25] submitted there with you this evening.
[1:25:28] Um, so the amendments basically were a
[1:25:31] requirement on the CSB to maximize what
[1:25:33] we're doing for Medicaid billing. Um,
[1:25:36] some updates to patient um to patient
[1:25:39] education and reporting. Some updates to
[1:25:41] quality measures and reporting dates.
[1:25:44] Um, some as federal laws come out
[1:25:46] regarding uh protected health
[1:25:48] information, we of course need to update
[1:25:50] our policies. That's in the performance
[1:25:52] contract. And there was also some
[1:25:54] administrative updates regarding um
[1:25:57] funding processes all the state funds
[1:25:59] that come to CSBs. That's something that
[1:26:02] really affects the bigger ones um but
[1:26:04] not us but it's still something we all
[1:26:05] have to abide by and some training
[1:26:07] requirements. So that's good palatin
[1:26:10] community services. I wanted to stress
[1:26:13] our uh phone numbers are up on the
[1:26:15] screen for everybody. 804598-2200
[1:26:18] that's our palatin office. Our crisis
[1:26:21] number is 804598-2697.
[1:26:24] That's a number that anybody can call
[1:26:26] any time of the day. During business
[1:26:29] hours, you'll get somebody local after
[1:26:31] hours. There'll be somebody from
[1:26:32] Richmond, our partners in Richmond
[1:26:34] Behavior Health who can answer. And of
[1:26:37] course 988, one of the things that um
[1:26:39] I'm very intrigued by is it took 911, I'm sorry, over three decades to
[1:26:45] fully be widespread and implemented. But
[1:26:48] uh 988 is now up and running here in
[1:26:50] Palatine County. It is uh a service that
[1:26:53] if anybody's having a mental health
[1:26:54] crisis, they can call and get support
[1:26:56] right away. And if somebody calls 911,
[1:26:58] we have now have the connection. Um the
[1:27:01] PAP team did great. Uh the public
[1:27:03] service answering uh team did a great
[1:27:05] job getting that connected in the
[1:27:07] background. So, a lot of good stuff
[1:27:08] going on here in Palatin County. I could
[1:27:10] talk too long, but I'll stop now. Any
[1:27:14] questions on on the CSB on the
[1:27:17] performance contract or anything that I
[1:27:18] presented?
[1:27:20] >> Any questions from the board?
[1:27:22] >> No.
[1:27:24] >> Thank you. Just need a uh a motion to
[1:27:27] approve the annual performance contract.
[1:27:30] >> I move we we approve the annual
[1:27:33] performance contract for the CSP.
[1:27:36] >> Second.
[1:27:37] >> All in favor? I
[1:27:39] >> I oppose. Passes five vote.
[1:27:44] Thank you.
[1:27:50] » All right, that'll bring us into our
[1:27:51] public hearings.
[1:27:53] >> So, item A is a conditional use permit
[1:27:56] uh request from a business in District 2
[1:27:58] and Mr. Web is here for an overview.
[1:28:11] Members of the board, a
[1:28:14] quick presentation. Uh as you can see
[1:28:16] the first one will be Chabakans CU
[1:28:18] request for rural event venue.
[1:28:57] There we go. Thank you. Okay. As I
[1:29:00] stated, uh, case 2605 CUP Commissioner
[1:29:04] Smith from Arthur Traverick for a rural
[1:29:06] event venue on Dorset on Dorset Road.
[1:29:11] As [clears throat] you can see here, the
[1:29:12] proposal would utilize Chadwickinson's
[1:29:14] orchid operation and existing structures
[1:29:16] to host weddings, receptions, and
[1:29:19] similar private events.
[1:29:21] Uh, rule event venues are allowable by
[1:29:23] CUP in the A10 zoning district.
[1:29:26] Development would be in conformance with
[1:29:29] the concept plan as you can see here
[1:29:31] showing the existing dwelling, which
[1:29:33] would not be part of the operation, but
[1:29:35] you have a field there to the north that
[1:29:36] could potentially be for tents. And then
[1:29:39] over in sort of in the souththeast
[1:29:41] corner, you can see there is a um a
[1:29:44] pavilion uh that you know any events
[1:29:46] could use the whole facility, the green
[1:29:49] houses and and things like that.
[1:29:54] As you can see here, here are the three
[1:29:56] uh three properties just north of Mosler
[1:29:58] Road on Dorset Road. And you can see uh
[1:30:01] the zoning of the area is is uh
[1:30:03] agriculture 10 with to the to the east
[1:30:06] some single family residential on the
[1:30:09] future land use map. Uh it is uh rural
[1:30:12] areas.
[1:30:16] Proposed conditions it would be a
[1:30:18] maximum of eight events per month with
[1:30:20] no more than 75 guests per event with
[1:30:24] limits on the time events may be held.
[1:30:26] Final conditions will be subject to a
[1:30:28] site plan approval and the CUP is good
[1:30:30] for five years at which point it must be
[1:30:32] renewed.
[1:30:36] Uh the request uh [clears throat]
[1:30:39] requires modification of the rural event
[1:30:41] venue development standards requiring
[1:30:44] all buildings, parking areas and so
[1:30:46] forth uh to be located at least 200 ft
[1:30:49] from the property line. is you as you
[1:30:52] can see here uh that number number three
[1:30:54] there and number six you might remember
[1:30:56] I think a year or so ago we added
[1:30:58] there's potential for the board to
[1:30:59] modify uh uh rural event venues
[1:31:04] uh the nearest structure would be in
[1:31:06] that lower southeast corner of that
[1:31:07] pavilion which is about 20 ft from the
[1:31:10] property line uh it's it's well set back
[1:31:13] from the the neighbors a little under
[1:31:15] 275 ft from the adjoining houses and
[1:31:18] that's the closest point that the uh
[1:31:21] venue would have two neighbors houses.
[1:31:26] And I did a just kind of did a little
[1:31:27] diagram here just to show you. You can
[1:31:29] see kind of that lower corner the 20 ft
[1:31:32] and you can see 295 270 to the houses.
[1:31:34] But if you now go to the north kind of
[1:31:37] where that field where maybe they would
[1:31:38] have tents and things like that, uh you
[1:31:40] then would meet would meet those
[1:31:42] requirements easily. Uh so just an idea
[1:31:44] just what the setbacks look like.
[1:31:50] Since [clears throat] this is a CUP, I
[1:31:52] just want to note that there are a
[1:31:53] number of review standards in the zoning
[1:31:55] ordinance require staff and the board to
[1:31:57] look at when considering. Won't go over
[1:32:00] all those. There are in a staff report.
[1:32:05] Um, the plane director, that's me,
[1:32:07] recommends approval of CGP requests as
[1:32:10] amended subject to proposed conditions,
[1:32:13] including requested modifications to
[1:32:16] rule event venue development standard 3.
[1:32:18] Uh, the planning commission last month
[1:32:20] uh recommended approval by a 5 to zero
[1:32:22] vote. And just the changes since the
[1:32:25] planning commission, uh, you can see it
[1:32:27] went from four to eight events a month.
[1:32:29] Uh, we've removed restrictions now
[1:32:31] allowing events in winter months. So, it
[1:32:33] is allowable all all year, even though I
[1:32:35] think it would be heavily tilted towards
[1:32:37] summer and and fall spring. Uh, and the
[1:32:40] requests adjusting hours from 5 to 9:00
[1:32:43] p.m. to 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. I think,
[1:32:46] uh, Mr. Chadwick said garden clubs and,
[1:32:49] [clears throat] you know, uh, groups
[1:32:51] like that sometimes will meet during the
[1:32:52] day. Uh, so that would allow that from
[1:32:54] the 9:00 a.m. to the 900 pm. Uh, any
[1:32:57] questions?
[1:32:59] >> Questions from the board?
[1:33:02] >> M. Chairman,
[1:33:02] >> go ahead.
[1:33:04] >> Uh, Lian, on page 135 of our packet, um,
[1:33:08] under TR Roman numeral 7, transportation
[1:33:10] traffic analysis, in the fourth
[1:33:13] paragraph, it says, "The re recommended
[1:33:16] cup conditions require the existing
[1:33:18] Dorset road entrance to be upgraded to a
[1:33:20] moderate commercial entrance prior to
[1:33:24] commencement of the rural venue use."
[1:33:27] Um, in talking with Charity today, um, I think that moderate I didn't know what
[1:33:34] one was and it depends on VOTE's
[1:33:37] assessment of the amount of traffic
[1:33:39] coming in and out. Um, when you've gone
[1:33:41] to eight events, uh, the turn there off
[1:33:44] of Dorset is a sharp 90 degree turn. Um,
[1:33:48] I would encourage you as you do site
[1:33:50] planning to do as much radius there so
[1:33:52] that someone coming in doesn't have to
[1:33:53] stop, make a right-hand turn, can more
[1:33:56] ease into a turn going into that venue.
[1:33:59] >> Yeah, I think the the moderate is 18 to
[1:34:03] 30 feet of width at the highway. Um, I
[1:34:07] think it's probably at least a 20 foot
[1:34:09] wide, but uh they'll look at that the
[1:34:11] site plan um as far as widening that and
[1:34:14] work with VOTE to make sure they're
[1:34:16] satisfied with that.
[1:34:17] >> I just want a good radius on it.
[1:34:18] >> Yes, sir.
[1:34:18] >> Yeah. Okay. Just if you could bear that
[1:34:20] in mind as the site planning's done, I'd
[1:34:22] appreciate it.
[1:34:24] >> Any other questions for staff?
[1:34:28] >> Looking as applicant here to present
[1:34:29] anything
[1:34:33] » if you so desire. All right, Arthur
[1:34:35] Chadwick, 1240 Dors Road. Uh, this is
[1:34:39] just an idea we've hatched to possibly
[1:34:41] host events at our farm. Maybe weddings,
[1:34:43] maybe garden club events, wreath making
[1:34:45] classes, poinsetta grooming, uh, you
[1:34:49] know, 75 people max. It's we sort of
[1:34:52] already have a, you know, people,
[1:34:53] gardening, people come in regularly to
[1:34:55] our farm. This is more of a an event
[1:34:57] specific thing, but nothing major.
[1:35:01] Excellent.
[1:35:01] >> Any questions for the applicant?
[1:35:07] All right. Thank you.
[1:35:09] >> All right. Now, we're going to open up
[1:35:10] to the public. I'm going to go through
[1:35:11] this
[1:35:13] one time for everybody. Uh, as Mr. Barum
[1:35:16] mentioned earlier, um, I'm going to I'm
[1:35:19] going to reference something that he
[1:35:20] mentioned. Um, so the board will now
[1:35:24] conduct a public hearing. Individuals
[1:35:27] speaking may speak up to three minutes
[1:35:30] stating their name and address for their
[1:35:33] district. A representative of of a
[1:35:36] legally organized group may speak up to
[1:35:38] five minutes. After stating their name
[1:35:40] and address and representation uh
[1:35:43] provide at least as long as there's at
[1:35:45] least three members of that group
[1:35:46] present,
[1:35:48] speakers shall direct their comments to
[1:35:50] the board as a whole and not the
[1:35:52] individual individuals or groups. They
[1:35:56] may not use any vulgar language, rude or
[1:35:58] threatening language. All persons in
[1:36:00] attendance shall observe the board's
[1:36:03] decorum policy and conduct themselves in
[1:36:06] a professional manner that demonstrates
[1:36:08] respect for others and is not
[1:36:10] disruptive. Applause or outburst during
[1:36:15] or after speaker comments is not
[1:36:18] appropriate and violates the board's
[1:36:20] decorum policy. Everybody hear that? Go
[1:36:23] like this for me. Thank you. Thank you
[1:36:24] so much. I appreciate you. All right. We
[1:36:27] would now like to open this up to the
[1:36:29] public. Anybody would like to come speak
[1:36:30] on on behalf of this hearing.
[1:36:37] Seeing no one, we will close this
[1:36:39] hearing and open it up to the board for
[1:36:41] any comments.
[1:36:43] >> Mr. Chair,
[1:36:44] >> go ahead.
[1:36:45] >> Me and Darlene, we traveled around this
[1:36:47] property. We visited him, Arthur, and
[1:36:49] his whole place, his whole venue out
[1:36:51] there uh several times. We we'd love the
[1:36:54] idea. So, um I will be making a motion
[1:36:57] to approve this if any comments.
[1:37:01] >> Any other comments from the board? We
[1:37:04] have a motion on the floor.
[1:37:05] >> Second.
[1:37:07] >> Take a roll call vote, please.
[1:37:08] >> Mr. McClung.
[1:37:09] >> I.
[1:37:10] >> Mr. Powers.
[1:37:10] >> Hi.
[1:37:11] >> Dr. Brown.
[1:37:12] >> I.
[1:37:12] >> Vice Chair Kenny.
[1:37:13] >> Hi.
[1:37:13] >> Chairman Denady.
[1:37:14] >> I. That passes 5. That'll bring us to
[1:37:16] item B.
[1:37:18] >> Item B is a resoning request in district
[1:37:20] one. And we'll turn things over again to
[1:37:22] Mr.
[1:37:24] Yes sir. Thank you.
[1:38:02] All righty. Uh EWN and Oddell resoning
[1:38:06] requests request to resone approximately
[1:38:08] 15.2 acres compromise of three parcels
[1:38:11] on the north side of Anderson Highway
[1:38:13] near Dorset Road from Commerce Center to
[1:38:15] A10 and Light Industrial. The request
[1:38:18] includes several bound line adjustments
[1:38:20] and replaces existing profers for one of
[1:38:22] the parcels from the 2024 resoning.
[1:38:28] Um as you can see here the the
[1:38:30] [clears throat] current parcels outlined
[1:38:31] on the left. The two front parcels are
[1:38:34] zoned Commerce Center with parcels with
[1:38:38] parcel two including Brewster's Ice Ice
[1:38:41] Cream Shop. The back parcel is zoned
[1:38:43] A10. So one you can see and two are
[1:38:45] Commerce Center. Three in the back is
[1:38:47] A10.
[1:38:51] And as you can see here in the future
[1:38:53] land use map, uh this area is squarely
[1:38:56] in the gateway business uh future land
[1:38:59] use designation.
[1:39:04] Uh this slide shows the intent of the
[1:39:06] reasonzoning and bound adjustment. The
[1:39:08] north portion of parcel 2 and the
[1:39:12] western portion of parcel 3 would be
[1:39:15] added to parcel one to create a single
[1:39:17] 13.3 acre parcel.
[1:39:20] The rest of parcel two which contains
[1:39:22] roosters would remain commerce center.
[1:39:26] So you can see two there. So you start
[1:39:29] with three, you end with three.
[1:39:32] The rest of [clears throat] parcel three
[1:39:33] which is included includes a restant
[1:39:35] would remain a 10. Again, three would
[1:39:37] remain a 10. It has a residence. Partial
[1:39:40] one would be splitz zoned with the
[1:39:42] southern 2.7 acres remaining commerce
[1:39:45] center and the northern 10.6 acres
[1:39:48] becoming light industrial. So front
[1:39:51] portion of parcel one you still maintain
[1:39:54] uh the commerce center.
[1:39:58] Here is uh a slide just kind of show you
[1:40:01] the development areas with the buffer.
[1:40:03] You have a buffer, the corridor buffer
[1:40:06] along uh Anderson Highway, 30-oot
[1:40:08] corridor buffer, buffer in between the
[1:40:11] adjoining properties. And then kind of
[1:40:13] that gray area shows you the development
[1:40:15] area.
[1:40:16] You can also see uh the connection that
[1:40:19] was part of the 2024 resoning going to
[1:40:22] what we recently had a proper amendment
[1:40:24] to clean zone to the property to the
[1:40:25] west. You can see that that connection
[1:40:28] uh being allowed to come through this
[1:40:30] property.
[1:40:35] This request does follow the previous
[1:40:37] resoning as stated 2024 for parcel one
[1:40:39] resone from A10 to Commerce Center. The
[1:40:42] current application retains the
[1:40:44] objectives from that resoning including
[1:40:46] shared access with adjacent properties.
[1:40:52] Uh as part of the current request, the
[1:40:55] existing road A to the right of sheets
[1:40:58] would be improved. You can see existing
[1:41:00] road A would be improved. Uh and you can
[1:41:03] see just sort of sort of sort of looking
[1:41:06] in the future how it could uh
[1:41:08] potentially be improved all the way to
[1:41:10] the back in the in the blue there on the north. And then you can also see
[1:41:15] where uh access road B, that's the
[1:41:17] green, would come uh through uh the
[1:41:20] subject property, connect to uh the
[1:41:23] property to the west, which is just off
[1:41:24] the screen. And you can also see
[1:41:26] obviously the existing right in right
[1:41:28] out uh that is on the property to the
[1:41:32] west of sheets.
[1:41:38] As [clears throat] noted the application
[1:41:39] contains a number of propers including
[1:41:41] that the boundary adjustments would be
[1:41:43] completed and reported prior to site
[1:41:44] plan submission.
[1:41:48] uh access management limits the the
[1:41:51] connections on on to 60 to the existing
[1:41:54] connections. Uh we also have a ultimate
[1:41:57] rideway pedestrian pedestrian easements.
[1:42:02] So uh the plan director, that's me,
[1:42:05] recommends approval of this resoning
[1:42:06] request with the profers as presented.
[1:42:09] Uh the planning commission voted 50 at
[1:42:11] their August 4th meeting to recommend
[1:42:13] approval.
[1:42:14] Following the planning commission me
[1:42:16] planning commission meeting the
[1:42:18] applicant agreed to profer the extension
[1:42:20] of the westbound acceleration lane going
[1:42:22] west on Anderson highway at the right in
[1:42:25] right out. So will that right in right
[1:42:27] out is uh we will look at the site plan
[1:42:30] to extend that uh into an acceleration
[1:42:32] lane and possibly that could also
[1:42:35] coordination with the clean sto folks
[1:42:36] just give a give an acceleration and a
[1:42:38] turn lane to the right there. So, I
[1:42:40] appreciate them uh being, you know,
[1:42:42] openminded to that potential and again
[1:42:44] that would be reviewed at the site plan
[1:42:46] and we could be DOT's comment. Um again,
[1:42:50] uh happy any questions. You have any
[1:42:52] questions on this this case? M
[1:42:55] >> go ahead.
[1:42:56] >> Hey, just just one lean. Um on the
[1:42:59] parcels that are Commerce Center, is
[1:43:02] there any proposed development at this
[1:43:05] time or are we going to wait, they're
[1:43:07] waiting for the resoning to happen
[1:43:08] before they deter?
[1:43:09] >> Um I I'll let the applicant answer that.
[1:43:13] [laughter]
[1:43:17] » Uh Dan Jones, 3901 Old River Trail, and
[1:43:22] I'm privileged to represent the owners
[1:43:24] of these three parcels on this this
[1:43:26] resoning. Uh the the buyer of this is is
[1:43:32] all all the the entire area uh the
[1:43:38] commerce center on the western parcel
[1:43:41] plus what is being reszone light
[1:43:43] industrial that will be one a single
[1:43:46] user.
[1:43:47] >> Okay. But I was just curious do we have
[1:43:49] any idea what kind of business or
[1:43:51] industry may be going on those parcels
[1:43:53] at this time?
[1:43:54] Uh yes, it seems like that's well known
[1:43:57] on the street, but I'm I'm sworn to
[1:43:59] secrecy, but
[1:44:00] >> I'm in the country, so I don't know.
[1:44:01] >> But but it's a uh a heavy equipment farm
[1:44:04] implement uh uh sales and service
[1:44:08] operation.
[1:44:09] >> Uh I might say maybe somewhat similar to
[1:44:12] Caterpillar, but not Caterpillar.
[1:44:15] >> Appreciate that, sir.
[1:44:16] >> Does that Does that clarify?
[1:44:18] >> Give their neighbors some give their
[1:44:19] neighbors some competition. There we go.
[1:44:21] Love it. Thank you. And and I might add
[1:44:23] I represent the the the owners on the
[1:44:26] reszoning uh tailong properties. We we
[1:44:30] do not represent them on the the sale of
[1:44:33] the property
[1:44:35] and uh [clears throat]
[1:44:38] all I number one I want to thank Lian uh
[1:44:42] county staff has been incredible and uh
[1:44:45] I wish Lian well as he moves to uh uh to
[1:44:49] Prince George County. I just sold a
[1:44:51] property there and uh I've let my
[1:44:53] friends know down there that they have a
[1:44:55] good man uh coming their way. Um
[1:44:59] just in summary, as you know, this is in
[1:45:01] the uh the county's designated gateway
[1:45:04] business district. Uh it's consistent
[1:45:07] therefore with the comp plan. Uh it uh
[1:45:10] is a coordinated employment and tax
[1:45:12] revenue development. Uh I think uh I
[1:45:16] think it's something that uh I'm proud
[1:45:17] of and I think you'll be proud of it
[1:45:19] also. Uh it improves interpartial
[1:45:22] connectivity uh to the parcel uh to the
[1:45:25] parcel not only the parcel to the west
[1:45:28] but it also connects to the parcel the
[1:45:31] quan parcel uh ju just west of that and
[1:45:35] uh it complies with the access
[1:45:38] management uh plan along route 60 uh and
[1:45:42] supports the county's long-term economic
[1:45:44] development uh goals. and I'd be happy
[1:45:48] to
[1:45:50] answer any questions or concerns you
[1:45:53] might have.
[1:45:54] >> Any questions for the applicant or
[1:45:55] staff?
[1:45:56] >> Uh, Mr. Chairman, I I would just like to
[1:45:58] uh Dan, commend you and the applicant
[1:46:00] for how you've treated the ingress and
[1:46:02] egress on 60. Um, that that's an
[1:46:06] accommodation I truly appreciate and I
[1:46:08] think it'll be far safer to do.
[1:46:10] >> We we heard your comments on the
[1:46:12] resoning two years ago.
[1:46:13] >> Okay, good.
[1:46:15] someone listens. So, [laughter]
[1:46:19] » any other questions?
[1:46:20] >> You you answered my question on
[1:46:21] interparial connectivity. So, thank you.
[1:46:25] >> Thank you.
[1:46:27] >> Any other questions?
[1:46:32] » We'll open it up to the public if
[1:46:34] anybody's got
[1:46:41] » Hello, my name is Carl Schwenderman.
[1:46:42] from 1727 Teresa Lane. Um, I would like
[1:46:46] to request that Powatan County ask the
[1:46:49] developer to physically build the
[1:46:51] five-foot sidewalk at the exact same
[1:46:53] time that they're going to build route.
[1:46:55] They're going to dig up Route 60 because
[1:46:57] under the proposal, they're going to dig
[1:46:58] up like a 500 foot section of Route 60
[1:47:00] and add a whole lane to it and a turn
[1:47:02] lane. And that's a big road that's a big
[1:47:05] road project. And what they could do is
[1:47:07] just ask the the contractor, the
[1:47:09] engineer when they build that since
[1:47:10] they're digging up Route 60 and they're
[1:47:12] going to do lane closures and all that
[1:47:14] mess. It would be cheaper just to ask
[1:47:16] the developer to include building the
[1:47:18] sidewalk between the granite place and across the front of the sheets at
[1:47:23] the exact same time they're going to dig
[1:47:24] up Route 60 because it would get the
[1:47:26] sidewalk settled and it would save money
[1:47:29] in the future versus trying to go out in
[1:47:31] the future and try to apply for grants
[1:47:33] and stuff. It would just be easier just
[1:47:34] to get the sidewalk built along with
[1:47:36] Route 60 being built right now.
[1:47:40] >> Thank you.
[1:47:41] Anybody else?
[1:47:44] >> Not seeing anybody. We'll close the
[1:47:46] public comment for that hearing and open
[1:47:48] up to board comments.
[1:47:56] Not hearing any comments. I'll make a
[1:47:57] motion to approve uh 02026-9.
[1:48:03] » Second.
[1:48:04] >> I'll take a roll call vote.
[1:48:06] >> Mr. McClung.
[1:48:06] >> I.
[1:48:07] >> Mr. Powers.
[1:48:07] >> Hi.
[1:48:08] >> Dr. Brown.
[1:48:09] >> Hi.
[1:48:09] >> Vice Chair Kenny.
[1:48:10] >> Hi.
[1:48:10] >> Chairman Dennady.
[1:48:11] >> I passes five. And that'll bring us to
[1:48:13] item C, throttle therapy.
[1:48:15] >> Item C is a conditional use permit
[1:48:17] request for a motor park in district 4.
[1:48:20] And Mr. Webs here. [clears throat]
[1:48:22] >> Uh before I go, this will be my last
[1:48:24] hearing here. So I just wanted to before
[1:48:27] we get going just really uh the last
[1:48:29] it's been a you know short but uh
[1:48:30] exciting tenure. We've done a lot in two
[1:48:32] and a half years and I really want to
[1:48:34] say to the board of supervisors I've
[1:48:36] worked with a lot of boards and I really
[1:48:38] mean it from the bottom of my heart.
[1:48:38] This is an excellent board and the staff
[1:48:41] feel supported by you and I just going
[1:48:44] into a big hearing there's no other
[1:48:45] folks I'd rather go into a hearing and I
[1:48:48] know your objective and you you want to
[1:48:50] do what's right for the county. So I
[1:48:51] appreciate the two and a half years and
[1:48:53] all of you on the board. So thank you.
[1:48:54] >> Thank you.
[1:48:58] [clears throat]
[1:49:01] » All right. Uh this is case 2603 CUP.
[1:49:04] Conditional use permit request for vital
[1:49:07] throttle therapy Amatic River LLC for
[1:49:09] Motorsports Park on 711 acres west of
[1:49:12] the intersection of Rocky Ford Road and
[1:49:15] River Estates Road.
[1:49:18] You can see here uh map of the subject
[1:49:21] properties. The proposal will allow the
[1:49:23] development operation of an off-road
[1:49:25] motorsports park on two parcels located
[1:49:28] along the appatics river which are zoned
[1:49:29] A10. Uh motorsports park is allowable by
[1:49:33] CUP in the A10 zoning district. Uh the
[1:49:36] property includes 2 and a half miles of
[1:49:38] frontage along the AMEX river and is
[1:49:40] predominantly wooded with the network of
[1:49:42] existing logging trails and roads.
[1:49:47] As you can see here from the future land
[1:49:49] use map, uh rural areas and some natural
[1:49:52] conservation on the southern portion of
[1:49:54] the property. Uh also you can see the
[1:49:57] current zoning agriculture 10 with some
[1:49:59] residential to the east.
[1:50:04] The [clears throat] development would be
[1:50:05] in conformance with the concept plan as
[1:50:08] shown here. Uh it would utilize existing
[1:50:11] logging roads and new trail segments to
[1:50:13] provide amenities including a
[1:50:15] motorsports track, youth riding area,
[1:50:18] ATV sidebyside area, single track
[1:50:21] trails, and extension of the current
[1:50:23] trail system along with the centralized
[1:50:25] parking staging and supporting
[1:50:28] facilities.
[1:50:29] There is a 300 foot buffer along the
[1:50:32] exterior property boundaries. The
[1:50:34] applicant is requesting to use an
[1:50:35] existing trails within the buffer to
[1:50:38] provide a pedestrian and bicycle access
[1:50:40] to the aimatics river.
[1:50:48] [clears throat]
[1:50:49] One of the issues has come up related to
[1:50:51] the property is the status of access to
[1:50:53] the property. The property is currently
[1:50:55] accessed from Rocky Ford Road via River
[1:50:57] States River Estates Road. From the
[1:51:00] terminus of River States Road, a 1400
[1:51:02] foot private access road leads to the
[1:51:05] property and crosses a bridge over
[1:51:06] Skipper Creek. The private road is
[1:51:09] governed by a 1985 private road
[1:51:11] agreement and a 1996 recorded plat for
[1:51:14] the River Estate subdivision, including
[1:51:16] a 50-foot buffer subject to public
[1:51:18] dedication for the future extension of
[1:51:21] the River Estates Road as a public
[1:51:23] roadway. A private road application was
[1:51:26] approved by the plan commission 2001
[1:51:28] related to a planned 52 lot residential
[1:51:31] subdivision on the subject property that
[1:51:34] the pro subdivision includes a primary
[1:51:37] public access road extending from the
[1:51:39] end of Riverstates Road into the
[1:51:41] property using the 50-foot buffer.
[1:51:48] Key CUP [clears throat] conditions. In
[1:51:50] the In the event the board is inclined
[1:51:52] to grant the CUP request, staff has put
[1:51:54] together a number of recommended
[1:51:55] conditions. These includes restrictions
[1:51:58] on the number of riders and vehicles,
[1:52:00] restrictions on the days and hours of
[1:52:02] operation, and no more than three
[1:52:04] special events per year.
[1:52:10] And there are also requirements to
[1:52:12] improve the existing access address fire
[1:52:15] and rescue standards and minimize
[1:52:16] additional land disturbance. Namely, the
[1:52:19] existing private road leading to the
[1:52:21] property would have to be upgraded to a
[1:52:23] public roadway using again the 50-ft
[1:52:25] buffer area subject to public
[1:52:27] dedication. A new bridge would need to
[1:52:30] be constructed and was an additional
[1:52:31] road improvements within the property.
[1:52:36] No motorsport activities could begin
[1:52:38] until a site plan is approved and all
[1:52:40] required improvements have have been
[1:52:43] made. The applicant must obtain site
[1:52:45] plan approval within 12 months of board
[1:52:48] approval and the cup would be valid for
[1:52:50] 5 years after the site plan approval
[1:52:52] with renewal renewal required after
[1:52:55] that.
[1:52:57] Again, I want to note that the
[1:52:59] conditional use permit review standards
[1:53:05] in the zoning ordinance and they've
[1:53:06] discussed them in the staff report.
[1:53:11] Uh the planning director recommends
[1:53:13] denialist of the C request. The planning
[1:53:16] commission voted 5 to zero at their
[1:53:18] August 4th meeting to recommend denial
[1:53:21] because the property is located adjacent
[1:53:23] to the AppMax River AFD. state code
[1:53:25] requires the ex the existence of a AFD
[1:53:28] shall be taken into account regarding
[1:53:30] land use planning decisions. The
[1:53:33] county's AFD advisory committee has
[1:53:35] recommended denial of this request and a
[1:53:37] report for from the AFD is included in
[1:53:40] your agenda packet. Following the plan
[1:53:42] commission meeting, the applicant
[1:53:44] requests the the addition of a walking
[1:53:47] and biking trail in the 300 foot buffer
[1:53:49] at the northern end of the property,
[1:53:51] which was included on a previous
[1:53:53] provided concept plan.
[1:53:56] As a result, staff has updated the
[1:53:59] concept plan and adjusted the occupancy
[1:54:01] limits on profer number 11 to allow up
[1:54:04] to 125 personal vehicles instead of 100
[1:54:07] and limit and the limit of 150 riders a
[1:54:11] day has not been changed.
[1:54:14] With that, do you have any questions?
[1:54:18] >> Any questions for staff?
[1:54:20] >> Mr. Chairman,
[1:54:21] >> go ahead.
[1:54:23] So, Legan, on item
[1:54:25] 7B, public road dedication,
[1:54:29] um I'm assuming that public road has to
[1:54:32] go from the entrance all the way to
[1:54:35] where the motorcycles would unload and
[1:54:38] ride. Correct.
[1:54:40] >> To to the property, I think within the
[1:54:42] proximity of the parking area,
[1:54:45] >> right?
[1:54:45] >> Which would basically be at the top of
[1:54:47] the hill.
[1:54:48] >> Correct. And if you didn't have any if
[1:54:50] you didn't have 50 feet to play with,
[1:54:52] then you couldn't put a public road in
[1:54:53] there. Correct.
[1:54:55] >> Well,
[1:54:56] >> I mean, I've driven the road.
[1:54:57] >> Right. Right. I mean, they do have
[1:54:59] >> when you get up towards where you're
[1:55:00] going to park on the property, there's
[1:55:02] not 50 ft.
[1:55:03] >> I think the the fit the the fe simple
[1:55:06] pipes in comes out to Skipper Creek and
[1:55:09] it's probably at least 60 70 feet of of
[1:55:13] land that goes all the way back to their
[1:55:15] property and it, you know, widens out.
[1:55:17] So I I believe there's plenty of of of property to put 50 foot. Now the
[1:55:22] road doesn't have to be 50 foot.
[1:55:23] >> Well, my truck's not 50 ft wide and it
[1:55:25] barely fit on the road up to the
[1:55:26] property. I'm just saying if the public
[1:55:28] roads got to go all the way up there,
[1:55:30] that would involve a substantial amount
[1:55:32] of money, wouldn't you think?
[1:55:34] >> Absolutely.
[1:55:35] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:55:36] >> Yep.
[1:55:37] >> I have a question. As I understand it, they could not
[1:55:42] operate until that road was taken care
[1:55:44] of. Is that true? That's correct. It had
[1:55:47] to be constructed
[1:55:50] » there. Is there more than one entrance
[1:55:53] egress?
[1:55:54] >> You know, I I believe for the
[1:55:56] subdivision there was discussions of an
[1:55:59] ingress. I forget the road to the to the
[1:56:01] west, but maybe someone from the public
[1:56:03] knows better than me, but it for a
[1:56:06] subdivision over 50 or more, you have to
[1:56:07] have a second egress. I don't know if
[1:56:09] that's why that subdivision was never
[1:56:11] developed. Uh but uh again I mean they
[1:56:14] could have reduced it to maybe a 49 but
[1:56:16] the current code does you know for a
[1:56:17] subdivision does require a second egress
[1:56:19] but I'm not really too familiar
[1:56:21] with the past conversations. Uh I think
[1:56:24] fire rescue is comfortable with they
[1:56:26] would prefer a second egress but they're
[1:56:28] comfortable with the compromise that
[1:56:30] building the the actual public road to
[1:56:32] the property would would be a great um
[1:56:37] help and obviously access in general. It
[1:56:39] would it would improve the bridge that
[1:56:41] cannot maintain the weight of a piece of
[1:56:44] fire apparatus.
[1:56:44] >> It would have to be built to VOTE
[1:56:46] standards as well.
[1:56:47] >> Was was there was there a VOTE study
[1:56:50] completed for this project?
[1:56:52] >> I mean, they gave us review comments. Uh
[1:56:54] that's in your packet. We've we've
[1:56:56] talked to them on numerous occasions,
[1:56:59] met with them. Uh so, you know, it's a new road. So that that's a whole
[1:57:04] process and engineering and surveys and
[1:57:08] that's that's quite a quite a process to
[1:57:10] go through but uh VOTE does it all the
[1:57:12] time and we we we do it too. Uh but so
[1:57:16] that would definitely um you know take a
[1:57:18] lot of review environmental review
[1:57:20] engineering new bridge. So it's it's a
[1:57:22] substantial effort to build a road all
[1:57:24] the way back there for sure. I guess a
[1:57:26] part of my question too is not saying
[1:57:28] every rider would, but when you have
[1:57:31] this many bikes, side by sides,
[1:57:33] whatever, you're also talking trailers.
[1:57:35] >> Yes, sir.
[1:57:36] >> What is a what does a road what can road
[1:57:39] handle? What does the surrounding roads
[1:57:41] handle? What happens if a school bus,
[1:57:43] fire engine, somebody else uh piece of
[1:57:46] farming equipment meets one of those
[1:57:48] trailers on one of those roads back
[1:57:49] there? Well, if they get to a site plan,
[1:57:52] that would be discussed. And part of
[1:57:55] what could what might need to happen is
[1:57:57] at Rocky Ford there that might need to
[1:57:59] be widened as well, shouldered at the at
[1:58:03] the entrance at the entrance. I mean,
[1:58:05] that's quite possible uh that that would
[1:58:07] be required.
[1:58:08] Um, but as far as a standard, I don't
[1:58:11] know, 20 foot road with the base, I
[1:58:14] mean, that's that would be adequate for
[1:58:17] pulling a trailer. I don't know if the
[1:58:19] radiuses at um if the radiuses and uh
[1:58:23] again we haven't seen an engineer site
[1:58:25] plan at Rocky Ford are really that great
[1:58:28] right now. So that would maybe have to
[1:58:29] be improvement.
[1:58:31] >> Thanks. Any other questions for staff?
[1:58:35] Excellent. We'll open up to the
[1:58:36] applicant now. Thank you.
[1:58:40] >> Thank you.
[1:58:40] >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. [laughter]
[1:58:55] Good evening, Chairman Denady, members
[1:58:58] of the board, county staff, and
[1:59:01] community.
[1:59:03] Thank you for the opportunity to speak
[1:59:04] with you tonight. We are deeply grateful
[1:59:07] to be here and for the privilege to
[1:59:08] invest in and become members of this
[1:59:10] community. My name is Scott McAdoo. I'm
[1:59:12] a police first responder. My partner
[1:59:14] Alex is a federal law enforcement
[1:59:16] officer and Iraq veteran. Between the
[1:59:18] two of us, we are husbands, fathers, and
[1:59:21] parents to five children. Yes, we
[1:59:24] currently live in Annapolis, Maryland,
[1:59:26] but our focus, our investment, and our
[1:59:28] passion are right here in Virginia. Our
[1:59:31] journey started quite simply. We fell in
[1:59:33] love with off-road riding vehicles, and
[1:59:36] our families and our families fell in
[1:59:38] love with it, too. But we quickly ran
[1:59:40] into a major obstacle. It was nearly
[1:59:43] impossible to find a private, safe,
[1:59:46] high-quality place for our families to
[1:59:48] ride together. So, we took a leap of
[1:59:51] faith. We scraped together our personal
[1:59:53] savings, took out several loans, and
[1:59:56] purchased a 93 acre property in Orange,
[1:59:58] Virginia, right next to Lake Anna.
[2:00:02] Given what Alex and I see every day in
[2:00:04] our line of work, we named it Throttle
[2:00:06] Therapy Lake Anna. For us, getting out
[2:00:09] on dirt bikes, ATVs, side by sides, and
[2:00:12] target shooting wasn't just recreation.
[2:00:15] It was a way to decompress, disconnect
[2:00:17] from the bad things out in the world,
[2:00:20] and reconnect with our kids.
[2:00:23] We decided to share our journey journey
[2:00:25] on social media, turning the property
[2:00:27] into a private Airbnb style vacation
[2:00:29] rental for riding and target shooting.
[2:00:33] We didn't have all the answers. We just
[2:00:35] had two months of cash reserves and we
[2:00:37] made plenty of mistakes along the way.
[2:00:40] But failure is a great teacher and every
[2:00:42] setback taught us how to build a better,
[2:00:45] safer, and more structured operation.
[2:00:49] Through those lessons, we learned very
[2:00:51] quickly that there was a massive demand
[2:00:53] for outdoor recreation in central
[2:00:54] Virginia and far too far too few places
[2:00:58] to go. Because Lake Anna was p was a
[2:01:01] private rental centered around a large
[2:01:03] farmhouse, our phone started ringing
[2:01:06] continuously with daily inquiries. We
[2:01:09] quickly realized a pattern. Not every
[2:01:12] family needed or could afford a big
[2:01:14] farmhouse. Many simply wanted a safe
[2:01:16] place to ride for the day, bring their
[2:01:18] camper, or stay in a small cabin for a
[2:01:21] night or two. Families were desperate
[2:01:23] for a flexible, managed park option. To
[2:01:27] solve that challenge and give family
[2:01:28] those options, we went on the hunt for a
[2:01:31] larger property. That search brought us
[2:01:34] here to Powatan County, where we fell in
[2:01:36] love with two things. The incredible
[2:01:38] rural character of the community and the
[2:01:41] proximity to Richmond. Our first target
[2:01:44] was a 1400 acre tract off Brackets Ben
[2:01:46] Road. We loved how isolated and secluded
[2:01:49] it was. But when we visited, we found a
[2:01:53] critical flaw. Access.
[2:01:56] Reaching that site meant driving
[2:01:58] directly through a neighborhood, not
[2:02:00] around it like the property we are
[2:02:02] discussing here tonight on Rocky Ford
[2:02:04] Road. To make matters worse, from our
[2:02:07] calculations, the driveway easement ran
[2:02:10] through a neighbor's garage and fence
[2:02:12] line. We knew right away that driving
[2:02:15] through a neighborhood like that was
[2:02:16] going to be a huge challenge with the
[2:02:18] community. Before moving forward on the
[2:02:21] property, we knew we needed county
[2:02:23] support. My very first call to Palian
[2:02:26] County was to board supervisor Mark
[2:02:28] Kenny. Mr. Kenny, I don't know if you
[2:02:31] remember that call, but I certainly do.
[2:02:33] I remember how excited you were about
[2:02:35] bringing a structured outdoor
[2:02:37] powersports park to Powatan.
[2:02:39] Mr. Kenny connected us with M. Mrs.
[2:02:42] Roxanne Serno, your director of economic
[2:02:44] development. Mrs. Serno shared that
[2:02:48] excitement. She saw the vision, families
[2:02:51] visiting Powatan, staying in local
[2:02:53] lodging, spending money with local
[2:02:55] vendors, and enjoying outdoor
[2:02:57] recreation.
[2:02:59] All while preserving Powatan Powatan's
[2:03:02] rural landscape without placing demands
[2:03:04] on your school system or your taxpayer
[2:03:07] dollars. When we hit a legislative
[2:03:09] hurdle discovering that a power sports
[2:03:11] park
[2:03:13] parks were not permitted on A10
[2:03:15] agricultural land, the board took
[2:03:18] action. While the planning commission
[2:03:20] voted against the change, you, the board
[2:03:23] of supervisors, stepped up and amended
[2:03:25] the code to make outdoor recreation
[2:03:27] possible on A10 land. We thank you
[2:03:29] sincerely for that leadership.
[2:03:32] Eventually, the 1400 acre opportunity
[2:03:34] fell through and for a moment, we
[2:03:36] thought our journey with Powatan was
[2:03:38] over. But then we connected with the
[2:03:40] owners of the 700 acre property off
[2:03:42] Rocky Ford Road, Throttle Therapy
[2:03:44] Appamatics River and Powatan Powersports
[2:03:47] Park. The 700 acre site is remarkably
[2:03:50] secluded
[2:03:52] with very few residents nearby unlike
[2:03:55] Brackets Bend. Traffic drives around the
[2:03:58] neighborhood rather than straight
[2:03:59] through it. Does it have access
[2:04:01] challenges? Yes. There's a shared
[2:04:04] driveway and an older bridge, though.
[2:04:06] That bridge is currently driven across
[2:04:08] every day by members of the community
[2:04:10] and patrons of a local public wine
[2:04:13] vineyard. Just two days after we
[2:04:15] submitted our conditional use permit
[2:04:17] application, chairman Dennady ran a poll
[2:04:20] in P in the Powatan and the no Facebook
[2:04:22] group regarding the proposed park. I
[2:04:25] recall that over 70% of respondents
[2:04:29] supported our park, people wanted this.
[2:04:32] Yet even with such support for our park,
[2:04:35] something shifted. Something changed and
[2:04:40] momentum with county leadership started
[2:04:42] to cool.
[2:04:44] To address local concerns, the county
[2:04:46] recommended we host a community meeting.
[2:04:49] It wasn't legally required and the
[2:04:51] county staff helped select 25 neighbors
[2:04:54] who would be most directly impacted. We
[2:04:57] purposely kept this off of our social
[2:04:59] media. We didn't post a single word
[2:05:01] about Powatan to our followers because
[2:05:04] we wanted to speak directly with those
[2:05:06] 25 neighbors first. We sent out 25
[2:05:09] letters, but words spread like wildfire
[2:05:12] and nearly 90 people showed up on the
[2:05:14] very first day of our two-day meeting.
[2:05:17] Unfortunately, many of their minds were
[2:05:19] already made up before we even opened
[2:05:21] our mouths. As wild accusations and
[2:05:23] misinformation began to circulate, we
[2:05:26] turned to our social media channels to
[2:05:28] share the actual facts and set the
[2:05:29] record straight. But it became apparent
[2:05:33] that no matter what facts we presented,
[2:05:35] no matter what evidence we showed or how
[2:05:37] directly we answered their concerns, the
[2:05:39] oppos opposition simply refused to
[2:05:41] listen. They didn't like our answers.
[2:05:44] They didn't want the facts. And in their
[2:05:46] eyes, we were always wrong, no matter
[2:05:48] what solution we brought to the table.
[2:05:51] Since then, the requirements placed on
[2:05:53] us have only grown. When we included the
[2:05:57] on-site lodging option in our initial
[2:05:59] application, which is a key driver for
[2:06:02] local tax revenue and essential for
[2:06:04] those families wanting small cabins or
[2:06:06] camper spots, county staff asked us to
[2:06:10] remove it from our application. Then
[2:06:14] after us strip after asking us to strip
[2:06:17] lodging out, the county turned around
[2:06:21] and told us that our park wouldn't
[2:06:23] generate much revenue.
[2:06:25] On top of that, we required to build and
[2:06:27] replace a brand new road up to full VOTE
[2:06:31] standards, a bridge that neighbors and a
[2:06:34] public vineyard say is unsafe. Yet, no
[2:06:37] one else in the community is stepping up
[2:06:39] to fund or repair.
[2:06:41] Despite these despite these moving
[2:06:43] goalposts, we have continued to look for
[2:06:45] ways to give back and align with Powatan
[2:06:49] County's long-term vision. We read the
[2:06:52] Powatan County strategic plan with
[2:06:54] highlights which highlights goals for
[2:06:57] public access to the Appamatics River as
[2:07:00] well as expanding expanded public hiking
[2:07:03] and pedal bike trails.
[2:07:06] We knew we know that the community
[2:07:09] members have expressed their desire for
[2:07:11] more free public public hiking trails
[2:07:14] and we want to help the community
[2:07:15] achieve that goal, the county achieve
[2:07:18] that goal. If the permit, if this permit
[2:07:21] is approved, we are proposing to
[2:07:23] dedicate a public trail
[2:07:26] within our buffer zone along adjoining
[2:07:28] property lines, creating a lasting asset
[2:07:31] for non-motorized public recreation in
[2:07:33] Powatan.
[2:07:34] It's frustrating when members of the
[2:07:36] opposition tell us, "We support riding,
[2:07:40] just not this location."
[2:07:42] Some of those same individuals have been
[2:07:44] so determined to see us fail that
[2:07:46] they've even begun attacking our private
[2:07:48] farm in Orange County. An action that
[2:07:51] does nothing except eliminate the very
[2:07:54] places families rely on to ride safely.
[2:07:57] and our opponents. If our opponents
[2:08:00] truly support outdoor recreation, we
[2:08:03] would welcome the same passion and
[2:08:06] energy being channeled into helping us
[2:08:09] find a solution we can all agree on
[2:08:13] rather than tearing down private family
[2:08:15] businesses.
[2:08:16] Members of the board, here's a clear
[2:08:18] choice for you before you tonight. The
[2:08:20] current land owners build subdivisions
[2:08:22] for a living. By right, this property
[2:08:24] can be developed into a residential
[2:08:26] subdivision up to 88 lots, permanently
[2:08:29] changing the landscape and causing its
[2:08:31] own environmental challenges. A
[2:08:34] subdivision brings permanent traffic,
[2:08:36] strain on infrastructure, and heavy
[2:08:38] financial burdens on public services and
[2:08:41] schools. However, the owners have agreed
[2:08:44] to to allow us to lease this land for up
[2:08:48] to 15 years. This is up to a 15-year
[2:08:52] lease. This up to 15-year lease provides
[2:08:54] a vital bridge. It preserves 700 acres
[2:08:57] of open rural land while development
[2:09:00] gradually pushes west from Richmond. It
[2:09:03] supports your strategic plan. It funds
[2:09:05] local infrastructure repairs. It gives
[2:09:08] kids and families a safe, controlled
[2:09:11] place to enjoy outdoor recreation,
[2:09:14] all while possibly delaying dense
[2:09:17] residential development until the county
[2:09:19] is truly ready for it. Alex and I are
[2:09:22] first responders, veterans, fathers, and
[2:09:24] small business owners who believe in
[2:09:26] doing the thing things the right way. We
[2:09:29] look forward to investing in and
[2:09:31] becoming members of this community, and
[2:09:33] we respectfully ask for your approval of
[2:09:35] our conditional use permit tonight.
[2:09:38] Finally, I wanted to take a moment to
[2:09:39] deeply thank all of our supporters.
[2:09:42] To everyone who has shown so much
[2:09:44] passion for this project and taken the
[2:09:46] time to email the board to voice to
[2:09:49] voice your support for throttle therapy.
[2:09:53] We hear you. We appreciate you and we
[2:09:56] would wouldn't be standing here without
[2:09:58] you. So, thank you. I'd also
[2:10:00] specifically like to thank Mr. living
[2:10:02] and web for all his hard work throughout
[2:10:04] this process and wish him the absolute
[2:10:06] best moving forward. Thank you for your
[2:10:09] time, your leadership and your
[2:10:11] consideration.
[2:10:13] >> Thank you. What uh what questions we
[2:10:15] have for the applicant?
[2:10:18] » I have a question,
[2:10:19] >> please.
[2:10:20] >> So, you are willing to bring a road up
[2:10:23] to VOTE standards and rebuild a bridge
[2:10:27] on land that you are leasing?
[2:10:30] >> That would be Yes, ma'am. That would be
[2:10:31] one of the CR requirements. In order to
[2:10:33] access to open up, we would be required
[2:10:35] to build the road up to VOTE standards
[2:10:37] and build a new bridge. That is correct.
[2:10:42] >> But you you still don't own the land.
[2:10:44] >> That's correct.
[2:10:45] >> Okay.
[2:10:47] >> That is a big condition of our approval
[2:10:50] that that access.
[2:10:54] » I didn't see an economic impact um
[2:10:58] report in the packet.
[2:11:01] Um and we have heard that this would
[2:11:05] help Palatan
[2:11:08] um generate revenues for
[2:11:13] businesses and lodging.
[2:11:16] >> We don't have any lodging.
[2:11:22] » So this is build it and they're come.
[2:11:24] So, initially with our application, we
[2:11:27] when talking to Miss Miss Serno, we
[2:11:30] wanted to add a campground and bring in
[2:11:32] parkstyle
[2:11:34] semi-permanent cabins to bring in the
[2:11:37] lodging.
[2:11:37] >> You don't have any water coming in there
[2:11:39] or any sewer.
[2:11:40] >> That is correct. We would have to work
[2:11:41] that. We would have to
[2:11:43] >> I guess you would.
[2:11:44] >> We would.
[2:11:44] >> Yeah,
[2:11:45] >> we would. Okay.
[2:11:46] >> And and initially that's what our plan
[2:11:48] was. And then county staff had asked us,
[2:11:50] they said, "Why don't we, why don't we
[2:11:52] just kind of get in there and let the
[2:11:53] dust settle and then we can we can kind
[2:11:55] of figure that part out." So, that was
[2:11:56] one thing that the planning commission,
[2:11:58] they mentioned that, well, we don't
[2:12:00] quite see the revenue on that. However,
[2:12:03] we wanted to bring that with the lodging
[2:12:05] because my understanding is we don't have a hotel or a motel here in
[2:12:09] the county. We wanted to help with that,
[2:12:11] but we were asked to take that out and
[2:12:13] remove it.
[2:12:14] >> Okay. I still didn't see an economic
[2:12:15] impact. What do you think you would
[2:12:18] generate or the county?
[2:12:20] >> Are you looking for a specific what?
[2:12:23] >> I'm assuming as a business person that
[2:12:27] you have determined a return on
[2:12:30] investment.
[2:12:31] >> Mhm. [clears throat]
[2:12:32] >> So you don't lose your shirt.
[2:12:34] >> Sure. Um, and part of that would be
[2:12:37] money that would have to come to the
[2:12:40] county in terms of taxable income.
[2:12:46] In your estimate,
[2:12:48] what is coming to the county? If you
[2:12:51] haven't gotten there, that's fine. I
[2:12:52] just I keep hearing economic impact will
[2:12:55] be positive.
[2:12:58] And I'll be darned if I could find that
[2:12:59] in this packet.
[2:13:01] >> Yes, ma'am.
[2:13:02] >> It's just a practical question. If
[2:13:04] you're not there, you're not there.
[2:13:05] That's fine.
[2:13:07] >> We are not there because we weren't we
[2:13:09] were asked to remove the lodging. We
[2:13:11] were asked to remove the lodging from
[2:13:12] the application. We wanted to do that.
[2:13:14] We wanted to bring in those revenue
[2:13:16] dollars because we understand that would
[2:13:17] be a vast driver for that.
[2:13:19] >> Okay. So, that is something you bringing
[2:13:22] in,
[2:13:23] >> excuse me,
[2:13:23] >> how many lodgings were you bringing in?
[2:13:26] >> How many? We wanted to have up to Alex
[2:13:28] up to 20. Up
[2:13:29] >> up to 20.
[2:13:30] little cabins.
[2:13:35] No more questions.
[2:13:38] >> Thank you.
[2:13:38] You're welcome.
[2:13:39] >> Any uh any questions?
[2:13:43] » Scott, I'm um not a writer. Um my life
[2:13:47] I've been a fireman. So,
[2:13:49] >> thank you for your service.
[2:13:50] >> Yeah. I want to give you u
[2:13:52] [clears throat and cough]
[2:13:54] you use the word therapy in your in your
[2:13:56] name. Can you dive into that a little
[2:13:58] bit for me?
[2:14:00] >> Yes, sir. So,
[2:14:02] I've been a I've been a police officer
[2:14:04] for coming up on 15 years now. Alex was
[2:14:07] an Iraq war veteran.
[2:14:10] During during my time in law
[2:14:12] enforcement, I've seen some really bad
[2:14:14] things. Um, I've had to notify a lot of
[2:14:16] make a lot of bad visits to notify
[2:14:19] family members have passed, children
[2:14:21] being hurt, killed, messy suicides,
[2:14:25] and that stuff. I thought I was immune
[2:14:28] to that. And there's things that still
[2:14:30] stick with me mentally,
[2:14:32] things that that haunted me for a while.
[2:14:36] And then I talked to my wife about this
[2:14:39] and I said, you know, this is this is
[2:14:41] bugging me a little bit. And every time
[2:14:42] I see certain things or I go past a
[2:14:44] certain road, it reminds me of those bad
[2:14:46] images.
[2:14:48] Well, then along came CO. Along came CO.
[2:14:51] We were all locked down. We couldn't do
[2:14:53] anything.
[2:14:55] What we knew to do was let's get outside
[2:14:57] and get some fresh air.
[2:14:59] So, Alex lives across the street from
[2:15:01] me. Other first responders, military
[2:15:05] members, business owners.
[2:15:07] We went out, we bought dirt bikes, we
[2:15:10] fell in love with riding. We went
[2:15:12] outside, enjoyed the outdoors. We kind
[2:15:14] of started a little joke and it just
[2:15:16] was, "Hey, let's go get some throttle
[2:15:18] therapy today."
[2:15:20] And when I ride, I found something that
[2:15:22] I truly love. And I found so many other
[2:15:25] we've connected with so many other great
[2:15:26] individuals that when we ride and when I
[2:15:29] ride I think about just two things I
[2:15:32] think about it can tune it all out and I
[2:15:34] can think about riding that bike and not
[2:15:36] smacking the next tree
[2:15:38] and I absolutely love it and it's just
[2:15:41] something that has brought me so much
[2:15:44] help and and just an opportunity to get
[2:15:47] out enjoy the rural country and and it's
[2:15:50] unfortunate because I know We see as a
[2:15:54] long career in the in the fire
[2:15:55] department and the police department, we
[2:15:57] see so many bad images over and over. And there's and I I can't quote
[2:16:02] the studies, but we there's so many
[2:16:04] studies those those images, they just
[2:16:06] slowly cause a little tear in our in our
[2:16:09] brains. And and that's and so it it it
[2:16:13] really just kind of started as a little
[2:16:14] hey, let's go get some throttle therapy.
[2:16:16] And then talking to
[2:16:18] other guests and visiting the other
[2:16:21] tracks. I like to do a lot of interviews
[2:16:23] and I just ask them, you know, what what
[2:16:25] is it about riding that you really enjoy
[2:16:28] and the answers are all very similar as
[2:16:30] I mentioned and and and I thank you for
[2:16:32] the opportunity to explain that.
[2:16:35] >> Thank you.
[2:16:37] >> Any other questions,
[2:16:38] >> M? Go ahead.
[2:16:39] >> So, I do have one other question. You
[2:16:40] made a couple comments about
[2:16:41] misinformation. 100% agree with
[2:16:44] everything that you said about me and
[2:16:46] being excited because when I looked at
[2:16:47] that other track of land, there wasn't a
[2:16:49] house anywhere I could find.
[2:16:51] >> Mhm. So, I'm really curious because from
[2:16:53] what I understand, the deal fell through
[2:16:54] because the landowner wanted to keep
[2:16:56] that property for land credits. Not that
[2:16:59] you guys had easement access or anything
[2:17:02] like that because when I looked at the
[2:17:04] road to that property, I didn't see it
[2:17:06] go through a house, neighborhood, or
[2:17:07] anything. That was the reason why I got
[2:17:09] so excited about it.
[2:17:11] >> So, I I'm really confused as to why all
[2:17:14] of a sudden you're saying access to that
[2:17:16] property was an issue when there wasn't
[2:17:18] a neighborhood or structures anywhere
[2:17:20] around it. So, if I recall, there were
[2:17:22] two accesses access points to that.
[2:17:24] There was the one access road right
[2:17:25] through the neighborhood and it really
[2:17:27] bottlenecked on that gravel road that
[2:17:29] would I guess you would call the main
[2:17:31] access to that. And we went out actually
[2:17:34] took some measurements with the tape
[2:17:35] measure and the and their fence was
[2:17:38] there, their trees were there, and my
[2:17:40] understanding it was a 25 was it a 50ft
[2:17:43] easement, Alex?
[2:17:43] >> I think it was 25, but at the smallest
[2:17:46] point there's about 16 ft.
[2:17:48] >> It was it was very tight. CC road.
[2:17:50] There's another CC road.
[2:17:52] >> Well, because the road I looked at that
[2:17:53] went to the property, there weren't any
[2:17:54] structures around it
[2:17:55] >> there.
[2:17:56] >> On the plat I looked at when you guys
[2:17:57] first contacted me, when I looked at the
[2:17:59] property and discussed it with the
[2:18:00] planning department, I didn't see any
[2:18:02] neighborhoods. I didn't see any houses.
[2:18:03] Didn't see anything. That's one of the
[2:18:05] reasons why I was excited about that
[2:18:07] parcel because there weren't 90
[2:18:09] neighbors living around it. [snorts]
[2:18:11] >> We love the parcel as well. We did. And
[2:18:14] when we came in and met with the realer,
[2:18:16] we initially, our first thought was, "Oh
[2:18:18] my gosh." and how we came in and brought
[2:18:19] it was it was tight. It was tight. And
[2:18:21] the gentleman's I the the neighbor's
[2:18:23] garage was right there and I and forgive
[2:18:25] me not sure which which access point you
[2:18:28] access because I know there's on the far
[2:18:29] side there was more of a utility type
[2:18:32] access on the far side but that that for
[2:18:36] us looking at the campground and that
[2:18:38] just didn't seem very very viable for us
[2:18:40] that option to have that. We wanted to
[2:18:42] come in through that one access that
[2:18:44] really bottlenecked and appeared to be a
[2:18:46] big challenge. I wish I had an I I
[2:18:48] forgive me this is disrespectful of me
[2:18:50] for not having a map up of that. We had moved on from that property and
[2:18:54] is something we were very excited about
[2:18:56] and unfortunately it fell through.
[2:18:59] >> Okay. Thank you. Any other questions
[2:19:02] before you open it up? Thank you, Scott.
[2:19:04] Alex, appreciate you.
[2:19:05] >> Thank you. [clears throat]
[2:19:07] >> All right. Just as a uh just as a
[2:19:09] reminder here folks,
[2:19:12] um just want to make sure that speakers
[2:19:14] that are coming up uh shall direct their
[2:19:16] comments to the board as a whole. Uh not
[2:19:19] any individual members uh any individual
[2:19:22] members of the audience.
[2:19:24] They shall refrain from using any uh
[2:19:26] criticizing
[2:19:28] any individuals or groups using vulgar
[2:19:30] language, rude or threatening language.
[2:19:32] All persons in attendance shall observe
[2:19:34] the board's decorum policy and conduct
[2:19:36] themselves in a professional manner and
[2:19:38] demonstrate respect for others
[2:19:41] and is not disruptive. Applause or
[2:19:43] outburst dur during or after speaker's
[2:19:46] comments is not appropriate and violates
[2:19:48] the board's decorum policy. I'm asking
[2:19:51] you all to please please please follow
[2:19:54] that. We have folks that are here that
[2:19:56] are passionate. And I can tell that
[2:19:58] you're passionate. When I look at the
[2:20:00] number of emails in my inbox for both
[2:20:04] support and opposition, when you total
[2:20:06] them together,
[2:20:08] a majority of us have have spent uh
[2:20:11] three and a half years here, over three
[2:20:13] and a half years. When you look at data
[2:20:15] centers, every housing project that's
[2:20:17] come up, anything that that firearms,
[2:20:20] anything that that just brings people to
[2:20:21] the table, put them all together. It
[2:20:24] still doesn't equal the total number of
[2:20:26] emails that we've received both in
[2:20:27] opposition and support for this project.
[2:20:30] So I beg you, please give people the
[2:20:34] respect to speak and feel welcome to
[2:20:37] speak at this podium. Please come
[2:20:39] forward when you're willing.
[2:20:47] » Good even [clears throat] Good evening
[2:20:50] members of the board. My name is Mor
[2:20:52] Weatherhead. I'm also a paramedic. My
[2:20:55] idea of therapy is my 10 acres out in
[2:20:58] the country that I bought purposely to
[2:21:01] have a quiet place where I could retire.
[2:21:05] Our community has now spent eight months
[2:21:07] trapped in this manufactured crisis.
[2:21:10] They've never had a road.
[2:21:13] There is no way to make that private
[2:21:15] easement
[2:21:17] into a public road. Never in the history
[2:21:20] of Powen County has there been a hostile
[2:21:23] taking of a private deed easement.
[2:21:28] To turn that private easement into a
[2:21:29] state road would require the signatures
[2:21:32] of everyone holding a deed.
[2:21:35] Yeah, the developer owns the underlying
[2:21:37] dirt and sections of the road, but the
[2:21:39] state requires that the whole road be
[2:21:41] dedicated. And owning the underlying
[2:21:43] dirt doesn't take away the rights of the
[2:21:45] deed easement owners.
[2:21:48] That private easement crosses the back
[2:21:51] of my property.
[2:21:53] That 50-foot buffer on my property
[2:21:56] is from 30 years ago.
[2:22:00] That same developer who 5 years later
[2:22:03] bought that 711 acres, put that on my
[2:22:07] plat.
[2:22:08] It's not even legal. He didn't own that
[2:22:11] road. He couldn't put
[2:22:15] a subject to public dedication on a road
[2:22:17] that he didn't own. Only those people
[2:22:20] living back there could do that. There
[2:22:22] is no signature on my platform from the
[2:22:24] people living back there because they
[2:22:26] didn't sign off on that. That's their
[2:22:28] private easement. Yes, he owns a part of
[2:22:32] that easement as of 2001. My plat was
[2:22:36] written in 1996.
[2:22:38] So tell me how the county plans to take
[2:22:42] our private property to make a public
[2:22:45] road.
[2:22:48] Taking that 50-foot buffer would take
[2:22:51] both me and the fisher property out of a
[2:22:54] egg 10.
[2:22:57] I told Egan all of this at the very
[2:23:00] beginning that there's no way to make
[2:23:02] that road into a state road without all
[2:23:05] of us signing off on it. A 30-year-old
[2:23:08] plat note isn't even valid. It's
[2:23:11] considered vacated. The county has never
[2:23:14] taken care of that road. We've paid the
[2:23:16] taxes on that property. That is our
[2:23:18] property you're talking about taking. So
[2:23:22] I think my property rights and my rights
[2:23:25] to the therapy of living in my house on
[2:23:27] a 10 should certainly supersede an
[2:23:31] incoming commercial venture which
[2:23:33] they've never had the ability to make
[2:23:35] that estate road at any time.
[2:23:38] Thank you.
[2:23:39] >> Thank you.
[2:23:43] » Um Jess Walters and 6075 Captain
[2:23:47] Yansancy Road. I'm actually from Elton,
[2:23:48] but I'm speaking on behalf of a group.
[2:23:50] So, I would ask for all of them to
[2:23:52] stand, please.
[2:23:56] All right. Mr. Chairman and members of
[2:23:58] the board of supervisors, my name is Dr.
[2:24:00] Jess Walters, and while I am a current
[2:24:02] resident of Rockingham County, I grew up
[2:24:04] in Powatan and I am the sole heir to
[2:24:06] both 1033 and 1013 Rocky Ford Road in
[2:24:09] District 4. Furthermore, I'm
[2:24:11] representing each of my family members
[2:24:13] who make up the land owners beyond
[2:24:14] Skippers Creek Bridge on the CCC road.
[2:24:17] First, I would like to thank you all for
[2:24:19] the thorough analysis of all
[2:24:21] contributing factors in this decision.
[2:24:23] Understandably, this is a divisive topic
[2:24:25] that is both emotionally charged and
[2:24:27] controversial, but each factor does hold
[2:24:29] merit. I want to share just a little bit
[2:24:31] about some of the people that this will
[2:24:32] truly affect. The family-owned parcels
[2:24:35] of land accessing this road were
[2:24:36] purchased by my grandfather in the 1930s
[2:24:39] as one of the founding farmers of this
[2:24:40] county. He along with my grandmother and
[2:24:43] their six children operated one of the
[2:24:45] largest dairy farms in Powatan, playing
[2:24:47] a pivotal role in the county's early
[2:24:48] days of agriculture. Not only did he aid
[2:24:51] in the development of this road, he and
[2:24:53] my grandmother wrote the 1985 CCC road
[2:24:56] agreement as a formal agreement between
[2:24:57] each landowner, even though most were
[2:24:59] immediate family. Today, those land
[2:25:02] plots make up a large parcel of property
[2:25:04] belonging to second, third, and fourth
[2:25:06] generations of my family. While my
[2:25:08] family members have spent their lives
[2:25:09] living on and maintaining the
[2:25:11] surrounding land in rural preservation,
[2:25:13] social media supporters of the applicant
[2:25:15] have stated, "People forget they bought
[2:25:17] two acres and want to control 50 more
[2:25:19] around them. Everyone moves to and wants
[2:25:21] the country life until country life
[2:25:23] turns into country life. A bunch of
[2:25:25] suburb people move to the rural counties
[2:25:27] and then want to stop country folks from
[2:25:28] doing country things. Anyone who doesn't
[2:25:31] support this place should move. and
[2:25:33] you're in a state that is eat up with
[2:25:34] mental illness and people that are
[2:25:36] totally Supporters have called
[2:25:39] my aunts Karens, communists, a-holes,
[2:25:43] threatened to mail blast all of the
[2:25:44] major insurance carriers to make them
[2:25:46] aware of EMS constraints on the bridge
[2:25:48] and among others not appropriate to read
[2:25:50] for this audience. My personal favorite
[2:25:52] stated one was an old busy body cat
[2:25:54] lady. Why? For quietly voicing their
[2:25:57] opposition and for posting signs on
[2:25:58] their own property to prevent
[2:26:00] trespassing. Because my family stays
[2:26:02] most mostly quiet on social media, I'd
[2:26:04] like to reiterate the type of people
[2:26:05] that they are. My grandfather was one of
[2:26:07] the most wellrespected members of this
[2:26:09] county, paying for everything in cash or
[2:26:11] an IOU. My mom and aunts are some of the
[2:26:13] most hardworking country women I have
[2:26:15] ever met. They got up every morning at
[2:26:17] 3:00 a.m. and milked cows before going
[2:26:19] to schools or their jobs. They worked
[2:26:21] hard to keep this land for their
[2:26:23] children. These women and their
[2:26:24] descendants are all hardworking land
[2:26:26] owners who were not only founding
[2:26:27] farmers of Powatan County, but are those
[2:26:30] who continue to commit their land into
[2:26:32] the rural preservation of Powatan
[2:26:33] through the county's agricultural and
[2:26:35] forestal district program. Each of them
[2:26:37] has contributed taxes and business to
[2:26:39] the county for more than 50 years. My
[2:26:41] cousins and I went to Powatan County
[2:26:42] Public Schools and their children have
[2:26:44] done the same. This family truly
[2:26:46] supports the county and has only wanted
[2:26:48] to live out their lives and raise their
[2:26:49] children and grandchildren on land
[2:26:50] passed down through generations. Now,
[2:26:52] let's discuss the legality here,
[2:26:54] specifically of one of the conditions of
[2:26:56] the cup, the condition to build a public
[2:26:57] road from the terminus of River Estates
[2:26:59] Road to the property while not accessing
[2:27:02] the CCC road. Briefly, the 1985 CCC road
[2:27:06] agreement written by my grandfather was
[2:27:08] signed by all property owners, including
[2:27:10] immediate and extended family as well as
[2:27:11] non-family, stating the easement shall
[2:27:14] run with the land to successors and
[2:27:16] assigns of the parties hereto. This eman
[2:27:18] this easement agreement was notorized
[2:27:20] and filed on record in Powatan County.
[2:27:22] Virginia code 55.1-308
[2:27:25] states that dedication for public use
[2:27:27] may only be obtained with the written
[2:27:28] consent of every holder of any
[2:27:30] restrictive covenant or easement prior
[2:27:32] to making such dedication. According to
[2:27:35] this code and Virginia property law, a
[2:27:36] single lot owner cannot unilaterally
[2:27:38] offer someone else's property rights to
[2:27:40] the county. By definition, easement
[2:27:42] holders hold a protected fractioned
[2:27:44] property interest in the road. Whether
[2:27:46] or not the developer owns property on
[2:27:48] either side of the road or has a buffer
[2:27:50] subject to de public dedication is
[2:27:51] irrelevant. There is no access to the
[2:27:54] property in question without crossing
[2:27:55] the easement affected by this agreement
[2:27:57] in at least two places. The potential
[2:27:59] buffer including the easement which is
[2:28:01] subject public dedication is on the
[2:28:03] left. His property on a narrow strip is
[2:28:05] on the right and the 711 acres in
[2:28:07] question is to the left of the CCC road.
[2:28:10] In 2001, an attempt was made to develop
[2:28:13] the 711 acre piece of property. Noting
[2:28:15] then the need for a public road for
[2:28:17] access. Even with the approval of the
[2:28:19] internal road network, the planning
[2:28:21] commission then recommended deferral of
[2:28:23] the request due to the question legality
[2:28:25] of the rightway. They gave the applicant
[2:28:27] four months to provide time to submit
[2:28:29] verification that the rightway was
[2:28:30] available to improve the road. No other
[2:28:33] continuation or further approval records
[2:28:34] are available and there's no public
[2:28:36] record of resolution. Given the legal
[2:28:38] challenges, the history of the
[2:28:39] surrounding properties, and the detailed
[2:28:41] analysis provided by both the planning
[2:28:42] director and the agricultural and
[2:28:44] forestal district committee, I encourage
[2:28:46] you all to follow the recommendation of
[2:28:47] the planning staff and planning
[2:28:49] commission to deny this conditional use
[2:28:50] permit. Thank you.
[2:28:51] >> Thank you.
[2:28:58] » Uh,
[2:29:00] good evening, Bob Kelly, District 2.
[2:29:02] Good evening, Chairman Dennady and
[2:29:05] Supervisors. I'm here to speak about
[2:29:08] throttle therapy's proposed conditional
[2:29:10] use permit for the motorsports park. I
[2:29:12] am asking that the board follow the
[2:29:14] unanimous recommendation of the planning
[2:29:16] commission and reject this proposal. I
[2:29:18] understand why folks are enthralled by
[2:29:20] throttle therapies marketing. We
[2:29:22] remember our teenage years spent riding
[2:29:24] dirt bikes and ATVs over old dirt roads
[2:29:26] and through sand and gravel pits.
[2:29:28] Today's different. No trespassing signs
[2:29:31] are everywhere and it's tough just to
[2:29:32] find a place to ride. Kids need exciting
[2:29:35] things to do and throttle therapy
[2:29:37] promises that. While that being said,
[2:29:39] throttle therapy is a business. Their
[2:29:42] goal is not to let make life better for
[2:29:44] the people of Powatan. Throttle therapy
[2:29:46] exists to generate maximum profits for
[2:29:48] their owners. They will bring in
[2:29:50] customers from across Virginia and
[2:29:52] neighboring states. Kids from Powatan
[2:29:54] will not be able to just take their dirt
[2:29:56] bikes to Throttle Therapy on a whim and
[2:29:58] ride. They will need to make online
[2:30:00] reservations weeks in advance. And the
[2:30:02] price may be too rich for some of our
[2:30:04] neighbors. Folks coming in from Virginia
[2:30:07] Beach, Stanton, Smith Mountain Lake, or
[2:30:10] Kentucky will bring heavy traffic to
[2:30:12] Rocky Ford Road and to River Estates
[2:30:14] roads. These streets are narrow and
[2:30:16] curvy. They are not built to handle the
[2:30:18] volume of traffic that would come to
[2:30:20] throttle therapy.
[2:30:22] The AFD environmental impact study
[2:30:24] include with the board agenda just
[2:30:26] shows, excuse me, shows just how
[2:30:28] damaging throttle therapies operations
[2:30:30] will be. First, the decibel level from
[2:30:32] all of those bikes and ATVs running at
[2:30:34] the same time will significantly impact
[2:30:37] the quality of life and damage property
[2:30:39] values in the neighborhoods adjacent to
[2:30:41] the park. Second, this will cause
[2:30:44] significant damage to local wildlife,
[2:30:46] especially to the birds that are
[2:30:47] indigenous to the Appamatics Riverbank.
[2:30:51] My late friend Pat Aspenwol was an
[2:30:53] amateur aven photographer. Her home was
[2:30:56] near the property in question and she
[2:30:58] would be shocked that this board would
[2:31:00] even consider a proposal that would
[2:31:01] permanently harm our local environment.
[2:31:04] And then finally, what does Powane get
[2:31:06] out of this? Throttle Therapy will, by
[2:31:09] the nature of their business, require
[2:31:10] more emergency services. Are they're
[2:31:12] offering to pay for road improvements? I
[2:31:14] guess the road up to there they will.
[2:31:16] Are they offering to buy a new fire
[2:31:18] truck, police vehicles, police
[2:31:20] equipment? And finally, just to reflect,
[2:31:24] there's nowhere better to watch a sunset
[2:31:25] than the parking lot of Graceland
[2:31:27] Baptist Church. It's that peaceful
[2:31:29] feeling that I never want to lose.
[2:31:31] Throttle therapy offers too much
[2:31:33] disruption without bringing equivalent
[2:31:34] benefits to the people of Palatan.
[2:31:37] Therefore, I urge you to reject the cup.
[2:31:39] Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Next.
[2:31:47] Good evening, honorable chairman, other
[2:31:50] distinguished members of the board.
[2:31:53] My name is Pete Cy. I live in district 4
[2:31:55] on our family farm at 1687 Capeway Road
[2:31:58] here in Powatan.
[2:32:00] Tonight, I am speaking as a member of
[2:32:04] and on behalf of the board of directors
[2:32:06] of the Powatan County Farm Bureau. And
[2:32:08] at this time, I'd like to read a
[2:32:11] prepared statement.
[2:32:14] With unanimous consent, the board of
[2:32:16] directors of the Palatan County Farm
[2:32:18] Bureau respectfully request that you
[2:32:22] resend ordinance 0202603
[2:32:26] adopted by the Palatan County Board of
[2:32:28] Supervisors in January 26th that amends
[2:32:32] chapter 83 zoning section 83160
[2:32:37] 10 section 83 162 conditional uses by
[2:32:41] adding number 61 motorsports park as a
[2:32:44] use allowable by conditional use permit.
[2:32:48] We further note the work on this
[2:32:50] ordinance is not yet complete as
[2:32:52] evidenced by this staff statement as
[2:32:54] follows. And I quote, "Further
[2:32:57] supplemental use regulations and
[2:32:58] performance standards may be developed
[2:33:00] or refined in the future to guide
[2:33:03] expectations related to operational
[2:33:06] impacts and to ensure compatibility with
[2:33:09] surrounding rural properties.
[2:33:13] Additionally, we apart from the
[2:33:15] president of the Powatan Farm Bureau
[2:33:18] request the board of supervisors deny
[2:33:20] approval of the current application 2603
[2:33:23] cup by Throttle Therapy Appamatics River
[2:33:26] LLC for the operation of a motorsports
[2:33:29] park off Rocky Ford Road in District 4.
[2:33:33] The board of the Palatan County Farm
[2:33:35] Bureau hopes you take these two requests
[2:33:38] under consideration and thanks you.
[2:33:42] Now, if I may make a few comments as a
[2:33:44] citizen and a land owner in the county.
[2:33:48] A few years ago, we placed our farm in a
[2:33:50] perpetual conservation easement to
[2:33:53] protect those 250 acres of fields and
[2:33:55] forests from ever being developed. Our
[2:33:58] commitment to keeping Palatan
[2:34:00] agricultural is real. It also formed the
[2:34:03] core of the Rocky Ford Agricultural and
[2:34:07] Forestal [clears throat] District.
[2:34:09] Having said that, I have no personal
[2:34:11] aversion to motorcycles. I've owned
[2:34:13] four. I even rode one to California and
[2:34:16] back when I was in my 20s. I get it.
[2:34:19] It's fun. It's thrilling even. I also
[2:34:22] think four-wheelers have a place in
[2:34:24] agricultural settings. They're
[2:34:25] invaluable and checking miles of pasture
[2:34:27] fence or transporting harvested deer
[2:34:29] home over long distances. I agree.
[2:34:32] Riding around outdoors is a great way to
[2:34:34] get kids off screens and into something
[2:34:36] they can enjoy with their siblings. and
[2:34:38] parents. But let's not kid ourselves.
[2:34:41] This proposed venture is a commercial
[2:34:43] operation owned and managed by
[2:34:45] non-county residents. This is not a
[2:34:47] casual ride around the property of mom
[2:34:49] or dad or your grandparents. And this is
[2:34:52] a terrible location for this venture.
[2:34:54] The environment, the wildlife, and the
[2:34:56] homeowners in the surrounding
[2:34:57] neighborhoods just did not sign up for
[2:35:00] this. Thank you.
[2:35:02] >> Thank you.
[2:35:04] [clears throat]
[2:35:05] Can I limit the applause, please?
[2:35:10] April, May, 3571 Pine View Drive. The
[2:35:14] one lady hit a lot of what I was going
[2:35:16] to say. They did a noise cuz that has
[2:35:18] been a big issue with the residents
[2:35:20] around and I don't fit in their little
[2:35:22] speck bubble, but on my back porch I
[2:35:25] could hear the noise. Um the planning
[2:35:30] commission they did an acoustical study
[2:35:32] and as uh on page 239 of the cup it says
[2:35:36] acoustical study did not use lab
[2:35:38] calibrated acoustical equipment and were
[2:35:40] not intended to establish compliance and
[2:35:42] or non-compliance with county's noise
[2:35:45] ordinance. Planning director also stated
[2:35:47] this was during summer foliage in a
[2:35:50] single visit and should not be
[2:35:51] interpretive as a predictive of future
[2:35:54] conditions under different seasons,
[2:35:56] writer volume, or operational
[2:35:58] circumstances.
[2:36:00] They stated they had 50 to 60 riders
[2:36:02] that day. They're looking up to up to
[2:36:04] 150 riders on their day visits. Um, when
[2:36:09] the planning commission asked Throttle
[2:36:11] Therapy how they were going to staff
[2:36:13] this, uh, neither owner of Throttle
[2:36:16] Therapy had any ideas on the staffing of
[2:36:19] this business. Um, at the planning
[2:36:21] commission meeting when asked the cup on
[2:36:23] page 214 states at a minimum there's one
[2:36:27] manager on site during business hours.
[2:36:30] From his Facebook post, it will be
[2:36:33] online memberships and reservations. So,
[2:36:36] in my hands, it looks like off-site
[2:36:38] management
[2:36:40] from while they live in Maryland. They
[2:36:43] still in the CPU talks about dry camping
[2:36:46] and portaotties. So, does that mean
[2:36:48] staffing is going to have to stay
[2:36:49] overnight with these dry campers to make
[2:36:51] sure nobody's trespassing on other
[2:36:53] people's property that surround and how
[2:36:56] waste and
[2:36:58] water issues are going to be disposed
[2:37:00] of? Is there going to be monitoring of
[2:37:02] that? The creek that runs underneath the
[2:37:04] bridge runs through my property and we
[2:37:06] were all on wells. So, what happens when
[2:37:08] something a spill happens? Who's going
[2:37:10] to clean that up? Are they responsible?
[2:37:12] Is the county responsible? Um, I am a
[2:37:15] business owner. I'm a hairdresser.
[2:37:17] Services in the state are not taxed. You
[2:37:20] don't pay sales tax per visit on a
[2:37:23] service that you provide. How is the
[2:37:25] taxing on this? How's the county going
[2:37:27] to make money in order to support all
[2:37:29] the stress on EMS and fire? Um,
[2:37:36] how's the county planning on making this
[2:37:38] a public road? Are we going to
[2:37:39] confiscate private citizens property? I
[2:37:42] don't believe that that's how we run
[2:37:44] this country. Um,
[2:37:49] and the cup is only for 5 years. I know
[2:37:51] the land owner has tried to develop this
[2:37:53] in the past for neighborhoods and that's
[2:37:57] been posted multiple times, but you have
[2:37:59] one access in, one access out, and it's
[2:38:02] private roads. And unless you confiscate
[2:38:04] somebody's personal property to do that,
[2:38:06] I don't see how this is a viable
[2:38:08] business.
[2:38:09] >> Thank you.
[2:38:14] » Hey guys. Um, Sheenar Connor is I'm from
[2:38:18] voting district 63. Actually, I I drove
[2:38:21] down from Stafford just to come to this
[2:38:23] meeting. So, because obviously I brought
[2:38:27] the stuff, if you could pretend this is
[2:38:29] a motorcycle helmet, but pretend it's an
[2:38:31] ATV helmet cuz I was my family was
[2:38:33] riding ATVs up in actually Maryland this
[2:38:36] past weekend at my wife's parents house.
[2:38:38] Anyway, and look, some people made some
[2:38:40] really good arguments. I go to a lot of
[2:38:42] these board meetings up in Stafford. You
[2:38:43] guys should all be glad. Um Stafford,
[2:38:46] Spennsylvania, they're crazy. It's like
[2:38:47] Jerry Springer board meetings. So, be
[2:38:50] glad that it's not like that here, okay?
[2:38:51] It's you guys are cool. Um, but I mean,
[2:38:54] they got like pride parades with drag
[2:38:56] queens twerking on kids for money. Like,
[2:38:58] it's it's nuts, okay? It's crazy. So,
[2:39:01] I'd love to come down here and I don't
[2:39:04] know how you going to work this out.
[2:39:05] Like, the road thing, that's a big deal.
[2:39:07] Like, you know, obviously you don't
[2:39:09] steal people's private property. That'd
[2:39:10] be stupid. But, so I'm really all about
[2:39:13] freedom. Um, you might have maybe you
[2:39:16] guys have heard my name Shamgar Connor
[2:39:17] since it's a one in the world. Shamgar
[2:39:20] is a Bible name. Anyway, I got kicked
[2:39:21] off the kidney transplant list at UVA
[2:39:23] because I didn't get the COVID vaccine.
[2:39:25] And then after that, I got like stalked
[2:39:27] by all these like crazy lunatics that
[2:39:29] were like I'm they they said I should
[2:39:31] die and my kids should die, my wife
[2:39:33] should die, and then like it was nuts.
[2:39:35] Crazy, right? But so I'm all about
[2:39:36] freedom. I just want people to have
[2:39:38] freedom to do what they want. And I
[2:39:39] think if you guys could work it out,
[2:39:41] this would be awesome. I mean, I'd love
[2:39:43] to come down here all the time. I mean,
[2:39:44] I drove it down took me an hour and a
[2:39:45] half just to get here today just to talk
[2:39:47] about this, but I mean, [clears throat]
[2:39:49] we've been doing this kind of stuff our
[2:39:50] whole lives. I'll tell you a cool story.
[2:39:52] Um, we had um like you know those Power
[2:39:55] Wheels things. So, I modified my kids my
[2:39:58] son's Power Wheels when he was was 3
[2:40:00] years old and I put two giant lawnmower
[2:40:02] batteries in it and crosswired it so it
[2:40:04] was 24 volts. So, there he is. He's like
[2:40:06] 3 years old
[2:40:08] like hold on and I'm running after him
[2:40:10] full speed. I can't catch him. And he's
[2:40:12] riding all around the yard. We got three
[2:40:13] acres of land. And it was awesome,
[2:40:15] right? And I'm I'm screaming. Hey, get
[2:40:16] back here. Don't worry. Ah, these, you
[2:40:18] know, but and this was his helmet. Look
[2:40:20] at this. I mean, that's pretty cool,
[2:40:21] right? Look at that. Mohawk riding
[2:40:23] around like crazy having fun. Like those
[2:40:25] are the kind of memories that you love
[2:40:27] to make. I really think if you guys
[2:40:28] could work something out where you guys
[2:40:29] get this going, like you guys could have
[2:40:32] a lot. You could build your whole town
[2:40:33] like around this in a positive way. You
[2:40:36] know, we I was up at Stafford and then
[2:40:39] they didn't want Bies built there and I wore a BES costume and I went
[2:40:42] there and I did a taste test on the
[2:40:43] microphone at the board meeting. I
[2:40:45] started eating. I'm like, "Oh, it's
[2:40:47] yummy." Right? And then they approved the thing. It was pretty
[2:40:50] funny, right? I mean, but the point was
[2:40:52] it was just to say, "Yeah, I think it's
[2:40:55] cool. If you guys can work things out to
[2:40:56] bring a business, they eventually
[2:40:58] obviously you're going to make money.
[2:40:59] You bring people here. I know. I guess
[2:41:01] there's no lodging. I don't even know
[2:41:02] that. That's crazy. But I mean, maybe
[2:41:04] they'll build some. You never know,
[2:41:06] right? So, I think it's awesome. So,
[2:41:07] look, let me put on this helmet to for
[2:41:09] like for purpose of the video. Look. All
[2:41:12] right. Ready? There. I'm ready. Ready.
[2:41:15] Okay. Start your engines. Wait. Let's go
[2:41:19] get some throttle therapy.
[2:41:22] There we go.
[2:41:24] >> Thank you. Boom. Boom.
[2:41:42] Good evening. My name is Monica Gallier
[2:41:45] and I live at 920 Rocky Ford Road, right
[2:41:48] up the road from River Estates, right up
[2:41:51] the road from Orthod Throttle Therapy.
[2:41:54] Hopefully will be. I support it first
[2:41:57] and foremost. I want that to be known.
[2:42:00] Sorry I didn't have time to dress up or
[2:42:02] change. My husband and I drove in from
[2:42:04] West Virginia today where we went to
[2:42:07] drive our side by side.
[2:42:10] A lot of people out here, a lot of
[2:42:11] people online, a lot of people
[2:42:12] everywhere talking about how this
[2:42:14] impacts the animals,
[2:42:17] the wildlife.
[2:42:19] While we were driving
[2:42:22] in West Virginia, Virginia, and Kentucky
[2:42:25] this past weekend, we saw wild horses
[2:42:29] who would run up to our side by sides,
[2:42:32] follow us,
[2:42:34] so we would stop,
[2:42:37] licking my machine, sticking their heads
[2:42:39] in the my machine, wanting to come with
[2:42:42] us in our machine.
[2:42:45] Not afraid of them. They heard us
[2:42:48] coming. They wanted to see us. We wanted
[2:42:50] to see them, too, because it was fun.
[2:42:54] So, saying that the wild animals will be
[2:42:56] affected
[2:42:59] is not 100% true.
[2:43:02] My husband and I bought our property in
[2:43:04] 1998.
[2:43:06] We built our home with our own hands. We
[2:43:09] own both of the both sides of the
[2:43:12] property of Grace Church on Rocky Ford
[2:43:14] Road and behind it.
[2:43:19] I support it. I live on Rocky Ford Road.
[2:43:23] I have shown my support by speaking
[2:43:25] about this. I have shown my support by
[2:43:27] showing up to the community meetings,
[2:43:29] the planning commission meetings,
[2:43:31] posting signs on my property supporting
[2:43:34] this. Soon as I put the signs up on my
[2:43:37] property, someone called Palatan
[2:43:40] Historical Society, Grace Church is
[2:43:42] owned by the Palatan Historical Society.
[2:43:45] Someone said those signs were on Grace
[2:43:48] property. They were in front of the
[2:43:50] church.
[2:43:52] They weren't. That was a lie.
[2:43:56] Those signs were on my property.
[2:44:00] There have been
[2:44:02] horrible things said by people on both
[2:44:05] sides.
[2:44:10] People who are opposed of this,
[2:44:14] they try to put themselves in the high
[2:44:15] ground. They've said some awful things
[2:44:17] online also.
[2:44:19] They've said hurtful, threatening, mean,
[2:44:24] degrading, bullying things. Both sides
[2:44:27] have. And that's not right.
[2:44:31] But no one from the supporting side that
[2:44:35] I know of, and I've talked to people,
[2:44:38] have trespassed on someone's private
[2:44:40] property and stole the signs.
[2:44:47] I have more, but I don't have time.
[2:44:49] >> Thank you.
[2:44:55] Good evening, ladies and gentlemen of
[2:44:57] the board.
[2:44:59] Let's get to my notes here.
[2:45:02] Want to thank you for your time and
[2:45:03] service to our county. I'm Luke Huddle,
[2:45:04] District 2. This application has become
[2:45:08] one of the most discussed issues here in
[2:45:09] Powatan.
[2:45:11] And while there's disagreement, there's
[2:45:13] also real common ground.
[2:45:16] What I've repeatedly what I've heard
[2:45:18] repeatedly is that many people,
[2:45:20] including some who oppose the location,
[2:45:22] actually support the idea of a
[2:45:24] motorsports park here in the county. If
[2:45:27] we could take a simple show of hands
[2:45:29] tonight, I believe you'd see how many of
[2:45:30] us on both sides truly support the idea
[2:45:33] in this county in the right location.
[2:45:36] County staff has worked closely with the
[2:45:39] applicant to create a thorough set of
[2:45:40] conditions that protect public health,
[2:45:42] safety, and welfare. staff has noted the
[2:45:44] applicant's willingness to collaborate
[2:45:46] and adjust. I can personally confirm
[2:45:48] that. I've worked directly with the
[2:45:51] applicant to address my own concerns and
[2:45:54] concerns raised by others. If you
[2:45:56] approve this application, I'm confident
[2:45:58] that the applicant will continue working
[2:45:59] with neighbors, outside agencies in the
[2:46:01] county to ensure this park operates
[2:46:03] responsibly under the conditions set.
[2:46:06] Because most opposition centers on
[2:46:08] location, I've looked for alternate
[2:46:10] large parcels across Powatan.
[2:46:13] I did not find one more balanced than
[2:46:15] this property. It was recently logged,
[2:46:17] meaning the ecosystem has already been
[2:46:19] disturbed.
[2:46:21] And a supervised maintained park could
[2:46:23] actually help stabilize it as it
[2:46:24] regrows. There are about 16 homes within
[2:46:27] a onem radius of the activity area. For
[2:46:30] comparison, there was a motocross track
[2:46:31] that operated here in the late 90s and
[2:46:33] 2000s.
[2:46:35] That's where I grew up riding. It had
[2:46:37] more than 220 homes in the same radius.
[2:46:41] With similar hours and a far higher bike
[2:46:44] per acre density,
[2:46:46] this property is large enough to spread
[2:46:48] riders out, reducing density and
[2:46:51] lowering the impact on the neighbors. In
[2:46:53] recent months, you've approved a senior
[2:46:55] care facility, zoning for a data center,
[2:46:57] a highdensity multi-use development, and
[2:46:59] you're considering a possible tax
[2:47:00] increase coming up.
[2:47:02] You've taken steps to support revenue
[2:47:04] growth in our aging population which
[2:47:06] matters. But that population resents,
[2:47:09] excuse me, represents less than half of
[2:47:10] Palatan. Tonight is an opportunity to do
[2:47:13] something meaningful for the younger
[2:47:14] generation,
[2:47:16] something not driven by revenue,
[2:47:18] something the broader community and our
[2:47:20] guests can actually enjoy.
[2:47:23] And this proposal goes beyond
[2:47:24] motorsports. The applicant plans hiking
[2:47:27] and biking trails to meet the
[2:47:29] comprehensive plan's goal of providing
[2:47:30] public access to the Appamatic River as
[2:47:32] well. I believe they will continue
[2:47:34] expanding low impact outdoor recreation
[2:47:36] that appeals to families, young people,
[2:47:38] and everyday residents who simply want
[2:47:40] more ways to enjoy the outdoors. You
[2:47:42] have a real opportunity in front of you.
[2:47:44] The applicant is willing to work with
[2:47:46] us. We simply need to be willing to work
[2:47:48] with them. I respectfully urge you to
[2:47:51] vote yes on this application. Thank you
[2:47:53] for your time.
[2:47:53] >> Thank you.
[2:47:58] Good evening board. My name is Matt
[2:48:00] Stevens, 311 Timber Trace Court,
[2:48:03] Powatan.
[2:48:05] I'm here to say that I fully support the
[2:48:08] recommendation to deny the CUP
[2:48:10] application for the reasons that have
[2:48:11] already been stated. Thank you very
[2:48:13] much.
[2:48:14] >> Thank you.
[2:48:17] » Hello, my name is Carl Schwenderman. Um,
[2:48:20] I think Powatan County should use this
[2:48:22] be this uh resoning to um ask that they
[2:48:25] extend the pros bicycle trail along. You
[2:48:28] know the the flood how you have the
[2:48:29] flood plane along the Appamax River
[2:48:31] that's 2 and a half miles long and then
[2:48:33] you have the the main land. Could Powan
[2:48:35] County ask them to extend the proposed
[2:48:38] bike trail along the edge of the flood
[2:48:40] plane along the Appamatics River for 2
[2:48:42] and a half miles? Because Powan County
[2:48:45] would Poutan County should use this as a
[2:48:47] chance to have a 2 and a half mile long
[2:48:49] bike trail and side and a pedestrian
[2:48:52] trail along the edge of the Appamatics
[2:48:54] and then they could extend it to the
[2:48:56] Fighting Creek Park trail system. So I
[2:48:59] think that Powen County should use this
[2:49:02] chance to uh get a profer to ask for an
[2:49:05] ease like a a small easement like 8 foot
[2:49:08] wide easement or a a 20 foot wide
[2:49:10] easement along the edge of the
[2:49:11] Appamatics River flood plane for a trail
[2:49:15] to go from a Millor road to um the to
[2:49:21] [clears throat] um
[2:49:23] Rocky Ford Road because next to Rocky
[2:49:24] Ford Road at the Appamatics River
[2:49:27] crossing there's 100 acres owned by
[2:49:29] Chesterfield County. So, this would be a
[2:49:32] great way to get a beautiful o to open
[2:49:34] up the Appamatics River by asking for a
[2:49:38] section of the Fighting Creek Park trail
[2:49:39] system along the edge of the Appmax
[2:49:41] River.
[2:49:43] Thank you.
[2:49:47] » Hi, my name is Donald May. at 3571 Pine
[2:49:51] View Drive about a mile and a half as
[2:49:53] the crow flies from Throttle Therapy's
[2:49:56] proposed site. That dude, that other
[2:49:58] dude was awesome. That's all I got to
[2:49:59] say. My god, he was funny. I've lived on
[2:50:03] my 10 acres for over 15 years and I feel
[2:50:06] content and hopefully a little solid as
[2:50:08] a solid member of the community. That
[2:50:10] being said, pales in comparison with the
[2:50:12] family, farmers, and residents that have
[2:50:15] lived in this area for generations. They
[2:50:18] had children born, families grow, and
[2:50:20] family members die in these homesteads.
[2:50:22] All the while being great stewards of
[2:50:25] this land that surrounds them. Listen to
[2:50:28] these folks who have lived there. They
[2:50:31] all want what's good for the community.
[2:50:33] Throttle Therapy Group lives, this is
[2:50:35] honest, they live in Annapolis,
[2:50:37] Maryland. And I would argue that the
[2:50:39] endeavor they are pursuing would need
[2:50:42] daily attention and management from the
[2:50:44] owners. It's not a side job you can
[2:50:46] manage via FaceTime or Skype. I don't
[2:50:50] way back. Throttle Therapy Group has
[2:50:52] never opened or I suspect worked at a
[2:50:56] solely motor park facility. They've
[2:50:59] gained their knowledge by owning an
[2:51:00] Airbnb in Lake Anna. I'm not dogging it.
[2:51:04] I'm just saying that's what they did. Oh
[2:51:06] yeah. But they did have a b a dirt bike
[2:51:09] path there if you were staying.
[2:51:12] Their knowledge is pur purely anecdotal.
[2:51:15] The info that they get acquire that they
[2:51:18] acquire is not by experience but by
[2:51:20] asking questions to folks that own
[2:51:23] motorpark establishments or they have
[2:51:26] owned in the past. So they're asking
[2:51:28] these people questions and that's how
[2:51:30] they acquire their knowledge and we get
[2:51:33] to be their guinea pig. Nah. What people
[2:51:36] are saying at this meeting that are
[2:51:38] against the proposal like noise
[2:51:40] pollution, air pollution, water
[2:51:41] pollution, street issues are all
[2:51:43] relevant. Please hear what they are
[2:51:46] saying. Please take a drive the proposed
[2:51:48] area. Please honestly visualize how this
[2:51:51] will work. What will all the added
[2:51:54] trucks, trailers, and cars do to these
[2:51:57] existing roads like Rocky Ford? And that
[2:52:00] should not be tested.
[2:52:02] I can tell you um um throttle therapy
[2:52:05] has pleaded and delayed this vote long
[2:52:07] enough. So, let's move on. Lastly, I
[2:52:11] find it interesting the majority of the
[2:52:13] pro park folks live in other counties or
[2:52:16] own businesses that m the majority that
[2:52:19] own business that would make money on
[2:52:20] this park. I listen to the owners of
[2:52:23] Throttle Therapy. They don't answer how
[2:52:26] this will negatively affect our property
[2:52:28] values, which it will. They don't have
[2:52:31] answers for sales volume or staffing.
[2:52:34] I am glad writing has been therapeutic
[2:52:37] for you. I'm more than grateful for your
[2:52:39] service. My daughter's in boot camp
[2:52:41] right now, so I feel it. To the question
[2:52:44] of what kids can do in the county. I
[2:52:47] will tell you this, we are building a
[2:52:49] 10,000 square foot wrestling facility at
[2:52:52] Blackhawk Gym right now.
[2:52:55] Thank you.
[2:52:59] » Terry Terry Adcock, 5719 Cartersville
[2:53:02] Road, District 5. And I'm here to
[2:53:06] introduce the um speaker for the
[2:53:08] Agricultural Forestal District Advisory
[2:53:10] Committee's report this evening. He's a
[2:53:13] Powatan County resident and a member of
[2:53:16] our AFD advisory commission. And Dr. Dr.
[2:53:19] James Riley is a research biologist at
[2:53:22] Rutgers University and I'm really glad
[2:53:25] that we've got somebody this well
[2:53:27] knowledgeable and that can help us on
[2:53:29] our AFD committee to help protect the
[2:53:33] wildlife of Powatan County.
[2:53:39] » Hi there. Um, so if we could uh uh the
[2:53:43] point here, I'm going to go ahead and
[2:53:45] summarize the AFTD report and um
[2:53:49] then give you guys a chance to have
[2:53:51] questions if you want to. Um, if you if
[2:53:53] you could uh show or turn to page
[2:53:57] uh 283 in the um packet.
[2:54:02] Uh that's so I'm just going to go
[2:54:04] through the figures here. So this is a
[2:54:06] map of the proposed site as it was
[2:54:09] originally presented. Um it's a there
[2:54:11] have been a few minor changes to it but
[2:54:14] um this is just to show um you know
[2:54:17] there's basically two main concerns from
[2:54:19] the perspective of the of the um AFD
[2:54:23] relating to um how this will impact the
[2:54:27] environmental um concern. So um it's the
[2:54:31] direct destruction of sensitive habitats
[2:54:34] along the Appatics River um due to
[2:54:37] building a dense network of trails in
[2:54:40] there and uh also from the noise given
[2:54:43] the uh large scale of this project the
[2:54:46] noise you know is probably going to be
[2:54:49] considerable. So what we did was we
[2:54:51] designed a computer simulation to um
[2:54:55] basically simulate
[2:54:57] placing down a whole bunch of dirt bikes
[2:54:59] in this area and then calculating the
[2:55:02] noise values that would propagate out
[2:55:04] from that. Um so if you'll turn to uh
[2:55:08] the next figure in that report
[2:55:14] uh on page 284
[2:55:16] um that shows the um results of the
[2:55:19] noise simulation. Um so what we did was
[2:55:23] we um assumed a noise value. It's a
[2:55:27] mid-range noise value for a riding um
[2:55:31] dirt bike. And that's all those little
[2:55:33] um yellow dots on the graph there are um
[2:55:36] the random placement of the simulated uh
[2:55:40] dirt bikes on that um the different
[2:55:43] areas that were indicated in their
[2:55:45] proposal.
[2:55:47] And um we assigned a decibel value of 96
[2:55:50] dB to each of those dirt bikes which is
[2:55:52] a sort of a conservative mid-range value
[2:55:56] for them.
[2:55:57] And what we've um what you can see there
[2:56:00] is that the the noise
[2:56:02] dissipates um out from those sources. Um
[2:56:07] you know they sort of merge together and
[2:56:09] add in in a mathematical way. And then
[2:56:12] so when if you look on the on the
[2:56:14] diagram the orange areas are the highest
[2:56:16] noise and as it gets out toward purple
[2:56:18] that's the lowest. Um and we uh plotted
[2:56:22] on this figure um a contour yellow
[2:56:25] contour at 45 dB
[2:56:28] um which is a value that um in the
[2:56:32] literature
[2:56:33] uh is very important for wildlife
[2:56:35] especially birds. Um, you know, we're
[2:56:38] focusing on birds here because they're
[2:56:40] very uh sensitive group of animals to
[2:56:43] noise, you know, being uh that they they
[2:56:45] communicate by singing and um even you
[2:56:50] know small amounts of noise increase can
[2:56:52] be detrimental to them. And the uh the
[2:56:54] literature shows that 45 dB is about the
[2:56:57] level uh where they become affected. And
[2:57:01] um at that level they have um reduced
[2:57:06] success with raising their nestlings.
[2:57:09] they have um you know if you do surveys
[2:57:12] you'll find that birds um occur in fewer
[2:57:14] numbers and they also are fewer species
[2:57:17] of birds in areas where they have that
[2:57:19] um you know often these studies are
[2:57:21] based on traffic noise. Um so that's uh
[2:57:25] that's just showing and we have here in
[2:57:26] this figure a version that has 100 dirt
[2:57:29] bikes um on the left and 200 on the
[2:57:33] right. Um you can see how how far that band extends out there.
[2:57:39] Uh okay. So we could turn to the the
[2:57:42] next uh figure. Um this is basically
[2:57:46] overlaying those noise contours on
[2:57:50] um the Powen County um priority
[2:57:53] conservation area in purple along the
[2:57:55] Appamatics River there. Um and the um
[2:57:59] Appamatics AFD in outlined in green in
[2:58:02] the north.
[2:58:04] And uh you can see that the the 45
[2:58:07] decibel band encompasses the whole width
[2:58:10] of that corridor along the Appetics
[2:58:11] River there. Um which will definitely
[2:58:16] decrease its ability to act as a
[2:58:18] wildlife corridor. Um and then if we
[2:58:21] look down at the uh the bottom two
[2:58:23] panels, this is the same but for the
[2:58:25] state of Virginia's wildlife diversity
[2:58:27] corridor um that's made by the DCR.
[2:58:31] And you can see that uh they recognized
[2:58:33] this particular area as a very sensitive
[2:58:36] important area for um environmental
[2:58:39] protection and um animal movement
[2:58:42] through through central Virginia. And
[2:58:44] this noise band does also basically
[2:58:47] envelop their whole corridor. Um so
[2:58:53] uh
[2:58:55] that's and that's the gist of it. So, if
[2:58:57] there's any questions about how we did
[2:58:59] that or what it means.
[2:59:00] >> No, I apprec I appreciate the
[2:59:01] information. It's not a Q&A though,
[2:59:02] unfortunately.
[2:59:03] >> Okay, great.
[2:59:04] >> Thank you.
[2:59:11] » Cindy Booten, 4343 Bridge Road. This is
[2:59:14] district three. I have a friend whose
[2:59:18] property is
[2:59:20] close to this and she's spent years
[2:59:25] and a lot of money of her own and also
[2:59:28] grants from government agencies
[2:59:32] in reing,
[2:59:34] getting rid of invasive species,
[2:59:38] planting our native species, basically
[2:59:42] reing over 300 acres. was very close to
[2:59:46] this.
[2:59:49] I think you will kill her if you approve
[2:59:51] this. I think she will die because she
[2:59:54] has poured her life into it.
[2:59:58] Next point is the businessmen who have
[3:00:02] proposed this ark talk about it as if
[3:00:05] it's a church camp and we're going on a
[3:00:08] church camp picnic.
[3:00:11] I'm sorry. You saw the gentleman who
[3:00:13] came in with his motorcycle
[3:00:16] uh outfit and helmet. [clears throat]
[3:00:20] How would you like 125 of those
[3:00:23] characters next door to you
[3:00:26] riding and revving up their motorcycles?
[3:00:30] And are you kidding? Who wants to go on
[3:00:33] a walking path with 125 people on dirt
[3:00:38] bikes? I mean, I'm glad that they get
[3:00:41] their therapy from that, but I look at
[3:00:45] it, this is more entertainment.
[3:00:49] And we're talking about one group's
[3:00:52] right to have the entertainment they
[3:00:55] prefer
[3:00:56] and then the land owners and the people
[3:01:00] adjacent to this, the wildlife. We're
[3:01:04] talking about the very quality of their
[3:01:06] life. with the wildlife and the bird
[3:01:09] thing we just heard. We're talking about
[3:01:13] nesting grounds, flyways,
[3:01:15] things that affect the population.
[3:01:19] Okay, it's two different things on a
[3:01:22] scale. It doesn't weigh out. These are
[3:01:24] people from another
[3:01:27] um state coming in here to put in their
[3:01:31] little park, their little play park. Um,
[3:01:34] as a Palatan resident, I told you I live
[3:01:37] about 2 thou 2,000 yard of feet from two
[3:01:42] dirt bikes.
[3:01:45] My right to have peace and quiet. And
[3:01:49] I'll say, I'm a nurse practitioner. I
[3:01:52] worked in the ER. Talk about
[3:01:54] post-traumatic stress. From what you've
[3:01:56] seen,
[3:01:58] I need quiet. So do these people who
[3:02:02] have lived on this land for generations.
[3:02:05] There's no comparison. Tell them to go
[3:02:08] somewhere else. I also
[3:02:11] come from an area where they put this in
[3:02:14] and it's a mess. My sister lives in one.
[3:02:17] It's a mess. They go riding across the
[3:02:20] highway in front of cars. It's
[3:02:22] dangerous.
[3:02:23] >> Thank you.
[3:02:29] Good evening. Debbie Madison, 964 Rocky
[3:02:32] Ford Road, District 2. I fully support
[3:02:35] the planning commission's vote to deny
[3:02:36] the applicants conditional use permit
[3:02:38] 2603 cup. Now, let's look look closely
[3:02:42] at the access management and safety
[3:02:44] statistics for Rocky Ford Road. From
[3:02:47] January 2025 to June 2026, there were
[3:02:50] 262 calls to 911 on this road. 44% of
[3:02:54] those calls were priority 1 and priority
[3:02:56] two emergencies. What is alarming is
[3:02:58] that 47% of those priority emergencies
[3:03:01] occurred during the exact days and hours
[3:03:04] the applicant wants to operate.
[3:03:06] Furthermore, DMV Treads data shows 36%
[3:03:09] of all incidents on Rocky Ford Road over
[3:03:12] the last 5 years resulted in injury and
[3:03:15] 53% of all incidents were speed related.
[3:03:18] The applicant's revised conditional use
[3:03:20] permit calls for a traffic increase by
[3:03:22] up to 125 vehicles per day on weekends
[3:03:24] and federal holidays. That's a 12.5%
[3:03:28] spike in traffic volume. Any 911 call
[3:03:31] volume increase over 1% will negatively
[3:03:34] impact emergency response, will increase
[3:03:36] the demands on county services, and will
[3:03:39] unpleasantly impact local residents days
[3:03:41] of rest, recovery, and personal time. It
[3:03:43] is clear the surrounding infrastructure
[3:03:45] simply cannot handle any increase in
[3:03:47] vehicle traffic not designed for
[3:03:49] residential use. VOTE itself noted that
[3:03:52] the local residential roads are not
[3:03:54] designed for trailers, campers or other
[3:03:56] vehicles serving in a commercial
[3:03:58] recreational use. Moreover, there were
[3:04:01] no safe turn lanes outlined in the
[3:04:03] applicant's permit for Gento Rocky Ford
[3:04:06] River Estates or Old Buckingham Roads.
[3:04:09] Without safe turn lanes, incidents will
[3:04:11] rise. Genito Road has ranked in the top
[3:04:14] two or three cluster for high crash
[3:04:16] locations for the past five years per
[3:04:19] DMV Virginia highway safety. VOTE also
[3:04:22] noted that the intersection of River
[3:04:24] Estates and Rocky Ford Road may require
[3:04:27] widening and major structural changes to
[3:04:29] accommodate larger turning area areas
[3:04:32] for vehicles with trailers. The top two
[3:04:35] rural high-risk categories for our
[3:04:37] district for the past two years include
[3:04:40] both roadway departure and
[3:04:41] intersections, which are common on rural
[3:04:43] roads. Yet, the applicant completely
[3:04:46] omitted an access management plan for
[3:04:48] this intersection in its submission.
[3:04:50] These unknown infrastructure changes and
[3:04:53] geometric modifications threaten our
[3:04:55] private property rights. County
[3:04:57] Ordinance 0202602
[3:05:00] requires a 10acre minimum for A10 lots.
[3:05:03] Widening these roads could cut into
[3:05:05] existing properties, including my
[3:05:08] property, pushing private property
[3:05:10] owners below the legal 10 acre limit.
[3:05:12] While land can be taken for public
[3:05:14] infrastructure improvements, private
[3:05:16] land cannot be taken to benefit a
[3:05:18] private commercial recreational
[3:05:20] business. This conditional use permit
[3:05:22] request has already caused an
[3:05:23] unreasonable absorption of time and
[3:05:25] taxpayer dollars on meetings, outreach,
[3:05:28] foyer request, etc. It's time to say
[3:05:30] when. I urge you to protect the
[3:05:32] residents, uphold the unanimous vote,
[3:05:34] and deny this conditional use permit.
[3:05:37] Thank you.
[3:05:38] >> Thank you.
[3:05:42] » Good evening. My name is Gail Nunnelly.
[3:05:44] I live at 310 Skippers Ridge in Powatan.
[3:05:48] I've been in this county for 30 years. I
[3:05:51] am here to say that I fully support the
[3:05:53] recommendation to deny case 2603
[3:05:56] cup throttle therapy. My reason is my
[3:06:00] daughter and I own the house at 961
[3:06:02] Rocky Ford Road. This is the first house
[3:06:05] on River Estates Road. When you turn on
[3:06:07] River Estates, there she is. On
[3:06:10] Saturday, June 20th, 2026, I was sitting
[3:06:14] on the porch at my daughter's house when
[3:06:16] multiple vehicles began showing up with
[3:06:19] ATVs, motorcycles, and other off-road
[3:06:22] vehicles. Knowing that the cup had not
[3:06:25] been voted on at that time, we were
[3:06:27] confused as to why they were there. I
[3:06:30] called a few neighbors and they were not
[3:06:32] aware of anything going on at the
[3:06:34] location, but had also seen the traffic
[3:06:37] coming in.
[3:06:40] Many neighbors called the sheriff's
[3:06:41] office to come and investigate. The
[3:06:44] applicant did not have the courtesy to
[3:06:46] let the neighbors know what was going
[3:06:48] on.
[3:06:50] We later learned the applicants had
[3:06:52] invited people to come in and help with
[3:06:54] a sound test.
[3:06:56] My main concern is the traffic in front
[3:06:58] of my daughter's house every Friday,
[3:07:01] Saturday, Sunday, and holiday. How would
[3:07:04] you like to wake up to the possibility
[3:07:06] of a line of vehicles in front of your
[3:07:08] house waiting for the park to open? How
[3:07:11] would you like to sit on your front
[3:07:12] porch and watch anywhere from 30 to 125
[3:07:16] vehicles drive in and out every weekend
[3:07:20] and holiday? Her children will no longer
[3:07:22] be able to go outside alone due to
[3:07:24] stranger danger. This would turn a quiet
[3:07:28] country lane into an overrun busy throw
[3:07:31] affair every weekend and holiday. We
[3:07:34] have already posted no trespassing signs
[3:07:37] to hopefully keep people off of her
[3:07:39] property. If this cup is passed, we will
[3:07:42] be forced to install a privacy fence in
[3:07:45] front of her home. The driveway will
[3:07:47] also be roped off to keep vehicles from
[3:07:50] using it as a turnaround. Thank you for
[3:07:52] your service to Powaton County.
[3:07:54] >> Thank you.
[3:07:58] » Good evening. My name is Samantha Piper,
[3:08:00] 4301 Old Buckingham Road. I would like
[3:08:02] to speak on the environmental impact of
[3:08:04] Throttle Therapy's proposed business, as
[3:08:06] I believe that impact was minimized to a
[3:08:08] large extent in both the presentations
[3:08:10] for the park and in the planning staff
[3:08:12] report. The site lies within the upper
[3:08:14] Appamatics River corridor directly
[3:08:15] across from the Amelia Wildlife
[3:08:17] Management Area and includes mature
[3:08:18] forests, wetlands, and streams that
[3:08:20] support diverse wildlife, including
[3:08:22] migratory birds. As previously
[3:08:23] mentioned, while a physical trail may
[3:08:25] take up little space itself,
[3:08:26] environmental disturbance involves
[3:08:28] broader surrounding areas in the natural
[3:08:30] landscape. This business would impact
[3:08:32] not just this propert, but all of the
[3:08:34] previously mentioned surrounding
[3:08:36] properties in addition to all of the
[3:08:37] homeowners. Ample research has
[3:08:39] demonstrated a clear negative impact
[3:08:40] from off-road vehicle trail use on
[3:08:42] entire ecological systems. Wildlife is
[3:08:44] harmed and displaced. Vegetation is
[3:08:46] damaged or altered. And the land itself
[3:08:47] is irreparably degraded. Many studies
[3:08:50] have found profound impacts on
[3:08:51] vegetation. Effects include vegetation
[3:08:53] loss, reduced height, greatly reduced
[3:08:54] cover, and increased injury to
[3:08:56] vegetation itself. These effects can
[3:08:58] facilitate the spread of invasive
[3:08:59] species such as kudzu, which can easily
[3:09:02] and aggressively take root in freshly
[3:09:04] disted ground. I don't know if you know
[3:09:05] how hard kudzu is to deal with, but it's
[3:09:07] a nightmare. Besides wildlife and
[3:09:09] vegetation, the actual land itself is
[3:09:11] negatively impacted. Off-road vehicle
[3:09:13] activity leads to soil compaction, soil
[3:09:15] penetration resistance, and altered soil
[3:09:17] chemistry. Physical alterations to the
[3:09:19] soil structure occur, resulting in
[3:09:20] erosion, and changes to hydrarology.
[3:09:22] Runoff said sediments into streams,
[3:09:24] degrading water quality, and damaging
[3:09:26] habitat critical for fish spawning and
[3:09:27] freshwater muscles. These impacts have
[3:09:29] been shown to occur even when no new
[3:09:31] trails are constructed and even under
[3:09:32] sporadic use. Recently, a motorsports
[3:09:35] park in Pennsylvania County was shut
[3:09:36] down partially due to the considerable
[3:09:38] effect they were having on the soil. It
[3:09:40] is also significant that Powatin's
[3:09:42] comprehensive plan designates all of the
[3:09:44] property as priority conservation area
[3:09:46] or otherwise protected land. The county
[3:09:48] already knows this land is particularly
[3:09:50] vulnerable and worth protecting. This
[3:09:52] significant environmental impact clearly
[3:09:53] conflicts with the intent of priority
[3:09:55] conservation area designation. The plan
[3:09:57] also notes that property zoned A10
[3:09:59] within these areas should not be
[3:10:00] reszoned to a higher intensity zoning
[3:10:01] classification. It seems clear that a
[3:10:03] motorsports park inviting hundreds of
[3:10:05] riders a day, as stated in their cup,
[3:10:07] would absolutely lead to higher
[3:10:08] intensity use than what is intended. In
[3:10:10] my opinion, granting this use in this
[3:10:12] location would lead to profound
[3:10:13] irreversible negative impact on the
[3:10:14] local environment and essentially amount
[3:10:16] to approving a loophole circumventing
[3:10:18] the intent of a zone zoning. A10 zoning
[3:10:21] powatin's rural character and natural
[3:10:23] resources are among its most valuable
[3:10:25] assets, and once lost, they are
[3:10:26] impossible to restore. I respectfully
[3:10:28] ask you to consider the long-term
[3:10:30] environmental impacts and the
[3:10:31] incompatibility of this intensive
[3:10:32] commercial use within this sensitive
[3:10:34] environmental setting and vote to deny
[3:10:36] recommendation. Thank you for your time
[3:10:37] and for your service to Powatin County.
[3:10:39] >> Thank you.
[3:10:43] » Good evening, chair, members, and the
[3:10:45] board. My name is Eric Burr and I reside
[3:10:46] at 12554 Gento Road in Ameilia
[3:10:49] Courthouse, Virginia. My home is located
[3:10:52] approximately 150 ft from a proposed
[3:10:54] trail.
[3:10:56] Um, the property lies I'm not here to
[3:10:59] discuss my concerns. I'm here to talk
[3:11:00] about the ones that don't have a voice,
[3:11:02] and that's the wildlife. This property
[3:11:04] lies within the Appamatics River
[3:11:06] Preservation Corridor and migration
[3:11:10] for a wide variety of species. This is a
[3:11:12] thriving ecosystem.
[3:11:15] One species of particular concern is the
[3:11:17] northern long-eared bat, which is
[3:11:19] federally listed as endangered. Under
[3:11:22] the Endangered Species Act, the
[3:11:23] Appamatics River Corridor is a known
[3:11:25] habitat for these bats and they depend
[3:11:27] on roosting, breeding, and raising their
[3:11:29] young. The US Fish and Wildlife Service
[3:11:31] and the Virginia Department of Wildlife
[3:11:33] Resources recognize the protection of
[3:11:36] maternity colonies and roost habitat as
[3:11:38] a critical conservation priority. The
[3:11:41] Northern Long Ear bat relies on quiet,
[3:11:43] undisturbed horse habitat to roost,
[3:11:47] forage, and successfully rear its young.
[3:11:49] Disturbance during the maternity season,
[3:11:51] generally from midmay through August,
[3:11:53] can interfere with breeding and pup
[3:11:55] rearing activities and raises serious
[3:11:57] concerns under the Endangered Species
[3:11:59] Act when habitat supporting endangered
[3:12:02] bats is adversely affected. The
[3:12:04] Endangered Species Act prohibits the
[3:12:06] unauthorized disturbance of all
[3:12:08] endangered species such as the northern
[3:12:10] long-eared bat. Migatory Bird Treaty Act
[3:12:14] prevents protects na native migatory
[3:12:16] birds, their nest, and their eggs. The
[3:12:19] bald eagle bald and golden eagle
[3:12:21] protection act prohibits disturbing bald
[3:12:23] or golden eagles in ways that interfere
[3:12:25] with breeding, feeding, sheltering,
[3:12:27] productivity or cause nest abandonment.
[3:12:30] The Clean Water Act prevents protects
[3:12:33] wetlands, streams, and waters connected
[3:12:35] to the Appamatics River. This is not
[3:12:38] simply a land use decision. It's a
[3:12:40] decision about whether we protect a
[3:12:42] critical wildlife corridor or place it
[3:12:44] at risk. We can build recreation
[3:12:46] facilities elsewhere. We cannot recreate
[3:12:49] an endangered bat's habitat. We cannot
[3:12:53] replace wetlands once they are damaged.
[3:12:56] And we cannot restore wildlife corridor
[3:12:59] once its ecological
[3:13:01] function is lost. The Endangered Species
[3:13:04] Act, the Matory Treaty Act, Matory Bird
[3:13:07] Treaty Act, the Bald and Golden Eagle
[3:13:09] Protection Act, and the Clean Water Act
[3:13:11] exist because we have learned that once
[3:13:13] critical habitat is lost, the species
[3:13:15] that depend on it often disappear as
[3:13:17] well. Violations can result in
[3:13:19] substantial fines, criminal penalties,
[3:13:22] imprisonment, or both. Future
[3:13:24] generations will never ask why we
[3:13:26] protect an endangered species, clean
[3:13:28] water, and wildlife habitat, but they
[3:13:30] will ask why we failed to protect them
[3:13:32] when we had the chance. For the northern
[3:13:35] long-ear bat, migatory birds, bald
[3:13:37] eagles, hawks, the Appamax River, its
[3:13:39] wetlands, and the natural heritage of
[3:13:41] both Palatan and Ameilia counties, I
[3:13:43] respectfully ask you to vote no and deny
[3:13:45] this application. Thank you.
[3:13:47] >> Thank you.
[3:13:53] Good evening, chairman and members of
[3:13:54] the board. My name is Katherine
[3:13:56] Freedomire and I am from district 1. I'm
[3:13:58] here tonight asking that you deny the
[3:14:00] conditional use permit for proposed
[3:14:01] thyrotheral therapy motor sports and
[3:14:03] campground. I want to be clear that I am
[3:14:05] not opposed to motor motor sports or
[3:14:08] responsible development in Palan. My
[3:14:10] concern is whether this isn't the right
[3:14:12] use for this specific location.
[3:14:15] This proposal is approximately 711 acres
[3:14:17] of motorsports and campground RV use if
[3:14:20] that is allowed to be done in the
[3:14:22] future.
[3:14:25] Assessed from the end of RIP access from
[3:14:28] the end of River Estates Road about 3/4
[3:14:30] of a mile from Rocky Ford Road. The
[3:14:32] county's comprehensive plan designates
[3:14:34] this area as rural areas and natural
[3:14:36] conservation. That designation matters
[3:14:39] because the impacts of the property of
[3:14:40] this scale do not stop the at the
[3:14:42] property lines. Every vehicle, trailer,
[3:14:45] RV, employee, and visitor must travel
[3:14:47] our rural road network to reach the
[3:14:49] site. These roads were not designed for
[3:14:51] this level of traffic or intensity. This
[3:14:54] is not just inconvenience. It's a matter
[3:14:56] of public safety. Increased traffic from
[3:14:58] high volume recreational use increases
[3:15:00] the risk of serious accidents. And when
[3:15:02] incidents occur, who must we must ask
[3:15:06] who responds?
[3:15:08] Pouty and Fire and Rescue already serves
[3:15:10] a growing county with limited resources,
[3:15:12] handling more than 9,000 emergency 911
[3:15:16] calls and over 60,000 total calls
[3:15:18] annually. According to last report, our
[3:15:20] emergency personnel cannot be everywhere
[3:15:22] at once and they must still travel these
[3:15:24] same rural roads to reach this site. In
[3:15:27] an emergency, minutes matter. We must
[3:15:30] also consider the surrounding community.
[3:15:32] This area includes established farms and
[3:15:34] a strong ecoin community. Horses depend
[3:15:37] on a calm and predictable environment.
[3:15:39] Motorsports activity induces constant
[3:15:41] engine noise, sudden acceleration, and
[3:15:43] increased traffic. A frightened horse is
[3:15:46] not a minor issue. It can result in
[3:15:48] injury to the animal, the rider, or
[3:15:50] those handling it on the ground. That is
[3:15:52] a real and legitimate safety concern.
[3:15:54] I've been a horsewoman for over 40
[3:15:56] years. I have been injured multiple
[3:15:59] times, had falls at shows in Palatan
[3:16:02] County, broken bones, and at that time
[3:16:05] rescue was not available due to being
[3:16:07] called out for another accident
[3:16:09] somewhere else. A frightened horse is
[3:16:12] not I'm sorry, we must also produce
[3:16:14] protect our water and environment. This
[3:16:16] property lies within anatics river
[3:16:18] wershed, includes environmentally
[3:16:19] sensitive areas. Any approval must
[3:16:22] ensure strong enforceable protections
[3:16:23] for wetlands, storm water, erosion,
[3:16:25] runoff, and groundwater before
[3:16:27] development occurs, not after the sorry
[3:16:30] after impacts are realized. Finally, I
[3:16:33] want to address the county zone process.
[3:16:35] When motorsport parts was considered in
[3:16:37] the zoning ordinance, the paneling
[3:16:39] commission voted against the amendment,
[3:16:41] noting the need for stronger standards.
[3:16:44] The board instead chose a conditional
[3:16:46] use permit process so conditions could
[3:16:48] be applied to individual projects. But
[3:16:50] conditions cannot fix fundamental
[3:16:52] incompatibilities. If the roads cannot
[3:16:54] safely handle the traffic, the emergency
[3:16:58] access is insufficient and other reasons
[3:17:01] behind at any case they will need to do
[3:17:04] the same conclusion and please do not
[3:17:06] approve the cup.
[3:17:08] >> Thank you.
[3:17:13] Good evening, Mr. Chairman and members
[3:17:15] of the board. My name is Matt Escobar,
[3:17:17] 975 Rocky Ford Road, and I'm asking you
[3:17:19] to deny the condition conditional use
[3:17:21] proposed for Throttle Therapy
[3:17:22] Motorsports Park. I want to make
[3:17:24] something clear at the offset. This is
[3:17:26] not a debate whether motorsports are
[3:17:28] good or bad. People should have places
[3:17:29] to enjoy these activities. The question
[3:17:31] before you was much narrower. Is this
[3:17:34] the right for this particular property
[3:17:36] in Palatan County? I believe the answer
[3:17:38] is no. And I am not alone in reaching
[3:17:40] that conclusion. After reviewing this
[3:17:42] proposal and hearing from the public,
[3:17:43] the Palotan Planning Commission voted 50
[3:17:46] to recommend denial. That unanimous vote
[3:17:49] deserves significant weight. Five
[3:17:50] commissioners considered this proposal
[3:17:52] and not one voted for approval. I won't
[3:17:54] spend my limited time repeating
[3:17:56] everything the planning commission
[3:17:57] discussed, but the concerns they
[3:17:59] identified, including traffic, public
[3:18:00] safety, demands on resources, ingress
[3:18:03] and egress, noise, pollution, and impact
[3:18:05] of the neighboring properties have not
[3:18:07] been resolved. I would also like to
[3:18:09] address some of the arguments being made
[3:18:10] in support of this project. We have
[3:18:12] heard suggestions that there that the
[3:18:14] alternative to this proposal could be a
[3:18:16] data center or a housing development.
[3:18:18] There are no such proposals before you
[3:18:20] tonight. We've also heard that this
[3:18:22] project is needed to pro provide trails
[3:18:24] and access to nature. But directly
[3:18:26] across from the river more than 2200 acres of public land in the Amelia
[3:18:31] Wildlife Management Area. Those
[3:18:33] arguments should not distract you from
[3:18:34] the question before you. Is a commercial
[3:18:37] motorsports park an appropriate use for
[3:18:39] this property? Property rights matter,
[3:18:41] but so do the property rights of the
[3:18:43] people who actually live nearby, own
[3:18:45] land, and operate businesses. A
[3:18:47] landowner's right to use private
[3:18:49] property should not automatically
[3:18:50] outweigh the effects that an intensive
[3:18:53] commercial use may have on the
[3:18:54] surrounding property owners and
[3:18:56] characters of the comm character of the
[3:18:57] community. Throttle therapy may be a
[3:18:59] worthwhile concept somewhere, but that
[3:19:02] does not mean this is the right place
[3:19:03] for it. The planning commission has done
[3:19:05] its job. It's reviewed the proposal,
[3:19:07] considered its impacts, and unanimously
[3:19:10] recommended denial. Now, the decision is
[3:19:12] yours. I respectfully ask that the board
[3:19:14] follow that recommendation. Protect the
[3:19:16] residents, businesses that are already
[3:19:18] there, protect POW's rural character,
[3:19:21] and deny this conditional use permit.
[3:19:23] Thank you for your time and your service
[3:19:24] to Powan County.
[3:19:26] >> Thank you.
[3:19:30] » Good evening, and thank you for your
[3:19:32] time. My name is Melissa Christian at
[3:19:33] 1950 Pine Creek Ridge Terrace. I live on
[3:19:36] District 2. Um, so I do want to be
[3:19:39] clear. I am not opposed to motorsports.
[3:19:41] We have our Harleyies, we have our
[3:19:43] Jeeps, and we love outdoor adventuring.
[3:19:46] However, we do not think this is the
[3:19:48] right location for this particular
[3:19:50] activity. I've repeatedly heard that
[3:19:52] there is nothing out to do in Powatan
[3:19:55] for families, and that's just simply not
[3:19:57] true. We have a beautiful state park. We
[3:20:00] have the James River where there's
[3:20:01] hiking, biking trails, kaying, fishing,
[3:20:04] boating, horseback riding, hunting, and
[3:20:06] many other ways to enjoy the outdoors.
[3:20:09] And motorsports are not prohibited here.
[3:20:11] People with sufficient acreage can ride
[3:20:13] on their own property. The question is
[3:20:15] whether a commercial motorsports park
[3:20:17] belongs on this particular 718 acres of
[3:20:20] land that are surrounded by residents,
[3:20:23] farms, and businesses that depend upon
[3:20:25] the rural character and relative peace
[3:20:27] of this area while also raising
[3:20:29] legitimate concerns about wildlife,
[3:20:31] waterways, noise, dust, and increased
[3:20:33] traffic. I've also heard, would you
[3:20:35] rather have houses or a data center? And
[3:20:37] that's just a false choice. There's no
[3:20:40] data center proposal before you tonight.
[3:20:42] And housing and a powersports park are
[3:20:44] not equivalent. Housing is a basic human
[3:20:47] need. A powersports park is recreation.
[3:20:50] You cannot have a growing population
[3:20:52] while insisting housing never grow with
[3:20:54] it. Taken to its logical conclusion, if
[3:20:57] we truly want no additional homes in
[3:20:59] Powatan, we'd also have to stop having
[3:21:02] children.
[3:21:04] So obviously that is not uh realistic
[3:21:06] nor desirable. Housing growth should be
[3:21:09] managed responsibly, but a family's need
[3:21:11] for a home is fundamentally different
[3:21:12] from someone's desire to have their
[3:21:15] recreational hobby closer to home. And
[3:21:17] that brings me to the riders themselves.
[3:21:19] The people participating in this sport
[3:21:22] bought their bikes, trailers, and
[3:21:24] equipment before the idea of this of the
[3:21:26] park ever existed. They chose this hobby
[3:21:29] already knowing that participating might
[3:21:31] require owning enough land to ride or
[3:21:33] traveling to an appropriate riding
[3:21:35] facility. The riders chose their hobby
[3:21:38] knowing its requirements. The neighbors
[3:21:40] chose their homes knowing the existing
[3:21:43] character of the area. The neighbors
[3:21:45] aren't asking riders to change their way
[3:21:47] of life. The proposal is asking the
[3:21:50] neighbors to change theirs. I understand
[3:21:53] that driving an hour to ride is
[3:21:55] inconvenient, but your convenience
[3:21:57] should not come at your neighbor's
[3:22:00] permanent burden. And equally important,
[3:22:02] you don't get to divi define what is or
[3:22:04] isn't burden for somebody else. If you
[3:22:07] won't be living beside the noise,
[3:22:09] breathing the dust, dealing with the
[3:22:10] additional traffic, or experiencing
[3:22:12] changes to the peace and character of
[3:22:14] your property, you cannot tell people
[3:22:17] what their that their concerns are not
[3:22:19] significant. Power 10's rural character
[3:22:22] isn't simply the absence of houses. It's
[3:22:25] our farms, horses, wildlife, waterways,
[3:22:28] open spaces, neighbors, and peace and
[3:22:29] quiet. Not I'm not asking you to reject
[3:22:32] motorsports in Powan. I'm just asking
[3:22:34] you to reject this location. Thank you
[3:22:36] for your time.
[3:22:37] >> Thank you.
[3:22:45] » Good evening, Mr. Chairman. Um my name
[3:22:47] is Wanda Escobar, 975 Rocky Ford Road.
[3:22:51] For almost 35 years, I have operated
[3:22:54] Saddlebrook Stables. I am asking you to
[3:22:57] deny the conditional use permit for
[3:22:58] throttle therapy. For me, it isn't an
[3:23:00] abstract discussion about land use. This
[3:23:03] is my home, my farm, my livelihood, and
[3:23:06] something I have spent nearly 35 years
[3:23:08] building. My property would be one of
[3:23:10] the largest tracks directly affected by
[3:23:12] this proposed motor sports park. Anyone
[3:23:16] who has spent time around horses that ex
[3:23:19] understands that they can be extremely
[3:23:21] sensitive to sudden unfamiliar sights,
[3:23:23] sounds, a frightening horse is a danger
[3:23:26] to everyone around. That's why placing a
[3:23:29] motorsports parked next to an
[3:23:31] established horse farm concerns me so
[3:23:33] deeply. For decades, I have invested my
[3:23:36] time and money into creating a safe
[3:23:37] environment to keep, ride, and care for
[3:23:39] horses and to teach other um young
[3:23:43] children and adults how to ride their
[3:23:45] horses. The repeated sound of
[3:23:47] motorcycles and ATVs accelerating and
[3:23:50] operating nearby would introduce
[3:23:51] something completely different from the
[3:23:53] normal sounds of rural agricultural
[3:23:55] life. I've heard a great deal about what
[3:23:58] can be done to make this new business
[3:23:59] work. I want to ask you to consider the
[3:24:04] business that's already there. Me, I did
[3:24:07] not move next to a motorsports park.
[3:24:10] They are asking permission to move next
[3:24:12] to my farm. I have operated legally and
[3:24:15] responsibly on this property for nearly
[3:24:17] 35 years. I should not have to change my
[3:24:20] operation, accept new safety risk, or
[3:24:22] potentially close my farm because the
[3:24:24] county approves an incompatible
[3:24:26] commercial use next door. Agriculture
[3:24:29] isn't something we just talk about
[3:24:31] preserving in Powatan. These are real
[3:24:33] people operating real farms who depend
[3:24:35] upon the rural character of this county.
[3:24:40] The supporters say they need a place to
[3:24:42] ride. Well, so do I. I ride and I need a
[3:24:46] place to ride on my property and so do
[3:24:48] the hundreds of folks who have come
[3:24:50] through my property. My therapy is the
[3:24:53] horses.
[3:24:54] I respectfully ask you to deny this
[3:24:57] conditional use permit and allow me to
[3:24:59] continue doing what I have done here for
[3:25:01] almost 35 years.
[3:25:02] >> Thank you.
[3:25:11] » My name is John Schlicking. District 4.
[3:25:15] Um,
[3:25:17] I spoke at the planning commission
[3:25:19] meeting regarding the potential impact
[3:25:20] this proposed motor park could have on
[3:25:23] the property values of the surrounding
[3:25:25] homes. At that meeting, I explained that
[3:25:27] my concern was not hypothetical.
[3:25:30] My home is currently for sale and
[3:25:32] prospective buyers who viewed the
[3:25:34] property specifically raised the
[3:25:36] proposed motor park as a concern and a
[3:25:38] reason they were not interested in
[3:25:40] pursuing the purchase. Since that
[3:25:43] meeting, the situation has become even
[3:25:44] more concrete. We have now had another
[3:25:47] prospective buyer cancel a scheduled
[3:25:49] showing because the proposed motor park.
[3:25:52] I think that it is important for the
[3:25:53] board to consider. We don't have to
[3:25:56] speculate about whether the possibility
[3:25:58] of a motocross facility can affect
[3:26:01] nearby homeowners. We are already seeing
[3:26:03] an effect before the facility has even
[3:26:06] been approved. And the financial impact
[3:26:08] does not stop with individual
[3:26:10] homeowners. If surrounding property
[3:26:12] values decline, those decreases will
[3:26:15] eventually be reflected in property
[3:26:16] assessments. Lower assessments mean
[3:26:19] lower real estate tax revenue to Powatan
[3:26:21] County. So, when considering the
[3:26:23] economic benefit this product project
[3:26:26] may bring to the county, I believe the
[3:26:28] board should also consider the potential
[3:26:30] economic loss created by declining home
[3:26:33] values and of the existing tax base
[3:26:36] surrounding it. My family and other
[3:26:38] homeowners in this area made significant
[3:26:40] investments in our properties based on
[3:26:43] the existing character and use of this
[3:26:45] community. We should not have to absorb
[3:26:48] a reduction in the marketability or the
[3:26:50] value of our homes so that the private
[3:26:52] commercial venture that this private
[3:26:56] commercial venture can operate in a
[3:26:58] location that may simply be incompatible
[3:27:00] with the surrounding residential
[3:27:01] properties. The planning commission
[3:27:04] voted unanimously 5 to zero to recommend
[3:27:07] denial of this cup. I respectfully ask
[3:27:10] the board to consider not only the
[3:27:12] noise, traffic, environmental, and other
[3:27:14] concerns that have been raised tonight,
[3:27:16] but also the very real financial
[3:27:18] consequences for the families who
[3:27:20] already live here and ultimately for
[3:27:23] Powatam County itself. Please protect
[3:27:26] the investments existing Powatam
[3:27:28] homeowners have made in this community
[3:27:30] and deny this cup. Thank you.
[3:27:33] >> Thank you.
[3:27:39] » Hello, I'm Danielle Stevens. I'm at 3116
[3:27:43] Timber Trace um Court District 2. Um I
[3:27:47] wasn't planning to speak today um as
[3:27:49] I've already written those letters that
[3:27:51] you've already received. I don't like
[3:27:53] speaking in public. I get very very
[3:27:54] nervous but I wanted to stand up today
[3:27:58] to speak to you. Before I get into my
[3:28:00] personal reasons for standing up, I
[3:28:02] wanted to say that I agree with that
[3:28:04] what others have already stated about
[3:28:06] environmental impacts, infrastructure
[3:28:08] and public safety, noise and property
[3:28:11] values. I wanted to also speak about the
[3:28:14] noise. I'm one of those people um that
[3:28:17] those gentlemen um at Thought of Therapy
[3:28:19] have talked about. I grew up with a mom
[3:28:21] that had schizophrenia, bipolar, and
[3:28:24] multiple personality disorder. My
[3:28:27] husband and I moved to Powatan for the
[3:28:29] peace. I didn't grow up in a safe um
[3:28:32] household. My home in Powatan is the
[3:28:36] first time I've ever felt safe. Um it is
[3:28:39] a sanctuary for me where I enjoy most
[3:28:41] weekends um sitting on my front porch
[3:28:44] listening to the quiet of the wildlife.
[3:28:46] This is my therapy. Um, we could clearly
[3:28:50] hear them on Sunday, May 17th, and
[3:28:53] Saturday, June 20th. So, please don't
[3:28:56] take away my sanctuary, my therapy.
[3:28:59] Please deny the coat. Thank you for your
[3:29:01] time.
[3:29:02] >> Thank you,
[3:29:06] » Heather Escobar, 975 Rocky Ford Road.
[3:29:10] Good [clears throat] evening, board. I
[3:29:12] am speaking tonight to ask that you deny
[3:29:14] the proposed throttle therapy cup. I
[3:29:16] spoke at the planning commission meeting
[3:29:18] in regards to the environmental concerns
[3:29:20] that I have as a National Geographic
[3:29:22] certified educator and conservationist.
[3:29:25] However, tonight I would like to make
[3:29:27] this more personal and express my safety
[3:29:29] concerns towards our family presented
[3:29:32] from this whole process. After politely
[3:29:35] discussing concerns that I had for our
[3:29:37] family horse farm located at 975 Rocky
[3:29:40] Ford Road, um I was met with threats and
[3:29:43] cussed out on social media. social media
[3:29:46] by supporters of throttle therapy. Our
[3:29:49] family keeps to ourselves and are very
[3:29:51] private in regards to our daughter's
[3:29:53] successful horse riding career. In 2023,
[3:29:57] she represented the USA for region 1 at
[3:29:59] the North American Youth Championships,
[3:30:02] otherwise known as the Junior Olympics.
[3:30:04] She participated in the Parade of
[3:30:06] Nations and competed against riders from
[3:30:09] countries as far away as Argentina. She
[3:30:12] travels to different states to qualify
[3:30:14] for this competition and we knew this
[3:30:16] first when we purchased the horse and we
[3:30:19] don't complain about it. Um she is
[3:30:23] currently training a young horse to
[3:30:24] represent the USA again at the same
[3:30:26] competition and trains out of the family
[3:30:29] farm with international trainers. She
[3:30:32] also trains with high-profile trainers
[3:30:34] including George Williams who is the
[3:30:36] president of the United States DR
[3:30:38] Federation and the USA Youth Coach. If
[3:30:41] this motorsports park were to be placed
[3:30:42] directly next to our horse farm, she and
[3:30:45] many others would be unable to continue
[3:30:47] training at this location and clinics
[3:30:49] that are currently held at our farm
[3:30:51] would be unable to continue. Horses are
[3:30:54] bred for a variety of reasons and while
[3:30:56] the supporters will mention seeing
[3:30:58] videos of horses and dirt bike riders
[3:31:00] riding side by side, Dr. horses are
[3:31:03] different. They compete in a quiet
[3:31:06] environment with minimal distractions.
[3:31:08] Even if you watch the Olympics, you'll
[3:31:10] see DR horses spooking in the ring, even
[3:31:13] when it's quiet. Due to this very public
[3:31:16] process and our safety concerns after
[3:31:18] being threatened online, her horse is
[3:31:20] now no longer located in Powatan. Now I
[3:31:24] ask you why our daughter's training as a
[3:31:26] previous and soontobe again member of
[3:31:28] the USA D team at our family farm which
[3:31:31] has been here for 35 years my
[3:31:33] mother-in-law just spoke should be
[3:31:36] ceased in order to accommodate a
[3:31:37] motorsports park supporting mostly out
[3:31:40] of town visitors including the owners of
[3:31:43] the proposed site.
[3:31:45] You have a junior Olympian with a bronze
[3:31:47] medal using a farm here in Powatan to
[3:31:50] train. If you approve this cup, Powatan
[3:31:52] will lose this honor as she will no
[3:31:55] longer safely be able to train on the
[3:31:57] family farm that she will inherit in the
[3:31:59] future. Thank you for your time and your
[3:32:01] service.
[3:32:02] >> Thank you.
[3:32:06] » Dr. Nicole Shot, aologist, 7:30
[3:32:08] Appamatics Trace. Tonight, I
[3:32:10] respectfully ask that you deny the
[3:32:11] throttle therapy cup. Throughout this
[3:32:13] process, we have repeatedly asked one
[3:32:14] fundamental question. What will a fully
[3:32:16] operating motorsports park actually
[3:32:18] sound like to the people who live around
[3:32:19] it? Following throttle therapy sound
[3:32:21] demonstration, I contacted Dr.
[3:32:23] Robertson, a professor whose work
[3:32:25] includes physics and acoustics of
[3:32:26] motorcycle noise. I provided him with
[3:32:28] the existing track layouts, land survey,
[3:32:30] demonstration methodology, and a
[3:32:32] photograph of the sound level meter and
[3:32:33] its settings. His conclusion should
[3:32:35] concern this board. Using standard sound
[3:32:37] propagation calculations, Dr. Robertson
[3:32:39] estimated that a dirt bike producing
[3:32:41] approximately 96 dBA at the half meter
[3:32:43] could produce roughly 70 dBA at 150 ft
[3:32:46] under flat reflective conditions. He
[3:32:48] also modeled a 100 dirt bikes operating
[3:32:50] simultaneously near the center of this
[3:32:51] complex at approximately 1 half mile. He
[3:32:54] calculated potential maximum of roughly
[3:32:56] 80 dBA at the property boundary. He
[3:32:58] acknowledged that terrain vegetation
[3:33:00] could reduce that level, but ultimately
[3:33:02] stated that he strongly suspects nearby
[3:33:04] residents would be impacted by track
[3:33:05] noise and that the facility would be
[3:33:07] plainly audible. That matters in an
[3:33:09] exceptionally quiet rural environment.
[3:33:11] Dr. Robertson explained that the ambient
[3:33:12] sound here could be as low as 30 to 35
[3:33:14] dBA. Against that background, even
[3:33:17] approximately 50 dBA would be clearly
[3:33:19] discernible. Dirt bike noise also
[3:33:21] contains low frequency components that
[3:33:22] can travel significant distances, and a
[3:33:24] single broadband measurement does not
[3:33:26] fully characterize how intrusive that
[3:33:27] sound would be. His analysis helped
[3:33:29] explains what residents experienced
[3:33:31] during that demonstration. The reported
[3:33:33] number suggested one thing. While
[3:33:34] residents standing on their own
[3:33:35] properties could clearly hear the dirt
[3:33:37] bikes. Additionally, there were
[3:33:38] significant limitations in that demo,
[3:33:40] including no documented calibration
[3:33:42] information, measurements primarily in
[3:33:44] one direction, no established ambient
[3:33:46] baseline, limited monitoring, and no
[3:33:48] meaningful analysis of the frequency
[3:33:50] characteristics. Even the planning
[3:33:51] director's report acknowledges that the
[3:33:53] demonstration was not a formal
[3:33:54] acoustical study and was not intended to
[3:33:56] establish compliance with the noise
[3:33:57] ordinance. And tonight, you're not
[3:33:59] considering that limited demo. You're
[3:34:01] considering a long-term facility
[3:34:02] allowing up to 150 riders during regular
[3:34:05] operations and up to potentially 500
[3:34:06] participants during special events.
[3:34:08] Palatan's ordinance asked whether dirt
[3:34:10] bike noise is plainly audible at 150 ft.
[3:34:13] Yet, we still don't have an adequate
[3:34:14] independent independent acoustical study
[3:34:16] demonstrating the full operations of
[3:34:18] this cup. These concerns all converge.
[3:34:21] Residents heard the the dirt bikes. The
[3:34:23] Palatan AFDAC independently raised
[3:34:25] concerns about sound extending beyond
[3:34:27] the property and a neutral third-party
[3:34:29] review reached many of the same
[3:34:31] conclusions. Noise is more than an
[3:34:33] inconvenience. Chronic environmental
[3:34:34] noise is associated with sleep
[3:34:36] disturbance, stress, hypertension,
[3:34:38] cardiovascular risk, impaired
[3:34:39] concentration, and diminished quality of
[3:34:41] life. It will also disrupt wildlife
[3:34:43] communication, breeding, and habitat
[3:34:45] use. These families chose this rural
[3:34:46] community for its peace and quiet. They
[3:34:48] should not have to sacrifice that first
[3:34:50] and then spend years filing complaints
[3:34:52] trying to get it back. The burden should
[3:34:54] be on the applicant to demonstrate
[3:34:55] compatibility before approval, not on
[3:34:57] residents to prove the harm afterward.
[3:34:59] Thank you.
[3:35:00] >> Thank you.
[3:35:04] » Hello. Um Ken Jamerson, uh 910 River
[3:35:08] States Court, District 2. Um it's going
[3:35:12] to be a bit of a surprise to my I'm in
[3:35:14] opposition of the of the cup. First off,
[3:35:16] I had a whole speech planned for the
[3:35:20] non-traditional sports that uh Palatan
[3:35:23] offers. Um, and my kids excelled at, but
[3:35:26] my consciousness got the best of me. So,
[3:35:28] I felt the need that I needed to uh
[3:35:30] write a new speech and present it and
[3:35:35] hopefully it'll make the point. And I'd
[3:35:36] like to start off by saying I want to
[3:35:38] apologize to the writing community for
[3:35:39] the statements that were made earlier.
[3:35:43] As you've already heard from the
[3:35:44] applicant tonight, and because of the
[3:35:45] plethora of misinformation and false
[3:35:47] narratives that we have been subjected
[3:35:49] to in the past four months, it's vitally
[3:35:52] important that this be stated on the
[3:35:54] record. I believe that I speak for
[3:35:57] probably every member of the opposition
[3:35:59] of the cup, with the exception of maybe
[3:36:01] one. I wish to be perfectly clear that
[3:36:04] in no way, shape, or form, do we ever
[3:36:07] condone the injury, whether by accident
[3:36:09] or purpose, as a means to resolve policy
[3:36:12] disputes. Wishing physical harm to
[3:36:15] anyone for any reason, is never
[3:36:17] acceptable to resolve community
[3:36:19] differences.
[3:36:21] I believe that this process should be
[3:36:22] honored and respected to manage the
[3:36:24] county in an orderly and responsible
[3:36:26] manner.
[3:36:28] On a personal note, I'm truly upset
[3:36:31] about the comment as well. Since the
[3:36:33] beginning of this application, I've
[3:36:34] worked to minimize the risks in our
[3:36:36] community and tried to convey the most
[3:36:38] truthful information that I could. I
[3:36:41] lost a close friend as a child to a dirt
[3:36:43] bike accident. I don't want to shed pain
[3:36:46] on anyone else. Thank you.
[3:36:48] >> Thank you.
[3:36:52] » Good evening, chairman and supervisors
[3:36:54] of the board. My name is Karen Dinardy.
[3:36:56] I live at 3289 Sparrow's Place in
[3:36:58] District 4. I come to you with some
[3:37:01] experience as a prior mortgage
[3:37:03] underwriter and current compliance
[3:37:04] adviser in the banking industry. There
[3:37:07] is a process for anybody who purchases a
[3:37:09] home, refinances a home, takes out a
[3:37:12] home equity loan that will involve the
[3:37:14] banking the bank determining if an
[3:37:17] appraised value of the home is required.
[3:37:20] Through this process, there is an option
[3:37:24] that will result most likely with the
[3:37:27] proposed motorsports park in a negative
[3:37:31] valuation in comparison to other sales
[3:37:34] in the area. It will be dependent upon
[3:37:37] proximity to the pro property and where
[3:37:40] the prior where the comparable sales
[3:37:42] are. Given that our property is within
[3:37:46] about a mile of the proposed property,
[3:37:49] there is most likely a detriment to our
[3:37:52] property value. That is not what I want
[3:37:55] to see. I've worked very hard to obtain
[3:37:58] what I own. I have lived in this county
[3:38:00] for 18 years now. I call this my home. I
[3:38:04] feel safe here. I moved from a home that
[3:38:06] was burglarized.
[3:38:08] This place made me feel safe again.
[3:38:12] On a second note, there are choices. We
[3:38:16] made a choice to purchase a property and
[3:38:18] build a house in an area that was zoned
[3:38:21] as residential and agricultural.
[3:38:25] There's a difference between moving into
[3:38:27] a location like that versus moving into
[3:38:30] a location that already has a proposed
[3:38:32] motorports park or already has a
[3:38:34] motorsports park. The addition of a
[3:38:37] motorsports park changes the landscape
[3:38:39] of the area.
[3:38:41] I ask and recommend that you agree with
[3:38:44] the planning department and the planning
[3:38:46] commission in denial of the cup. Thank
[3:38:49] you for your time and service.
[3:38:50] >> Thank you,
[3:38:55] » Mr. Chairman, members of the board. I'm
[3:38:56] Teresa Kelly, um, District 2. My husband
[3:38:59] and I have enjoyed living our peaceful
[3:39:01] in our peaceful neighborhood for 29
[3:39:03] years this month. First, I want to thank
[3:39:06] you for your dedication and service to
[3:39:08] our county and for the unimaginable
[3:39:10] amount of time, energy, and effort and
[3:39:12] that you and the county staff have spent
[3:39:14] on this application. I fully support the
[3:39:18] recommendation to deny this request, and
[3:39:20] I hope you do. Also, um I'm concerned
[3:39:23] about potential accidents and increased
[3:39:25] calls to our emergency services. While
[3:39:28] motorsports park, powers sports parks
[3:39:31] take precautions and put safety measures
[3:39:33] in place and riders know the risks and
[3:39:37] they sign waiverss. However, accidents
[3:39:40] still happen at the Lake Anna location.
[3:39:43] Track and trail use is strictly limited
[3:39:45] to on-site renters, maxing out at 23
[3:39:48] people. The owners hold an annual day
[3:39:51] riding event over two days with 130
[3:39:53] riders each day. Assuming the property
[3:39:56] is rented at full capacity on average
[3:39:58] four days a week for 51 weeks and they
[3:40:01] hold the annual day event, it could see
[3:40:04] 5,472 riders per year. For this proposed
[3:40:08] park, the applicants want to be open
[3:40:11] Friday through Sunday for 42 weeks plus
[3:40:14] seven federal holidays, maxing out at
[3:40:17] 150 riders per day. Plus, they want to
[3:40:20] have three special events with
[3:40:21] approximately 500 riders each day for
[3:40:23] two days. That is 22,950
[3:40:28] riders per year, a 400% more compared to
[3:40:32] Lake Anna. In the past year, they've had
[3:40:36] two emergency service calls to the
[3:40:38] property. I reviewed the emergency logs.
[3:40:40] One was a sidebyside rollover involving
[3:40:43] two people, one with a head injury. Both
[3:40:45] were transported toos to the local
[3:40:48] hospitals. The other one was a call. It
[3:40:51] was a head-on four-wheeler con collision
[3:40:54] involving a 5-year-old. My heart sank
[3:40:57] when I read this.
[3:40:59] The dispatch record noted that someone
[3:41:01] was screaming in the background, excuse
[3:41:03] [clears throat] me, and the child
[3:41:05] suffered lacerations to the forehead,
[3:41:07] arms, legs, and behind the ear and bru
[3:41:09] bruising and lacerations around the
[3:41:11] chest area. That child was transported
[3:41:13] to the hospital. I sincerely hope
[3:41:16] everybody in each of those accidents
[3:41:18] fully recovered. I mentioned these to
[3:41:20] bring attention to the fact that safety
[3:41:22] measures were in place. Precautions were
[3:41:24] taken yet accidents still happen. How
[3:41:27] many will happen here? Will poutine
[3:41:29] emergency service have the capacity to
[3:41:31] not only address an increase in calls on
[3:41:34] local roads but also this park? For
[3:41:36] these reasons and those that have
[3:41:37] already stated, it is my hope that you
[3:41:39] will also support the recommendation to
[3:41:41] deny this request. Thank you again for
[3:41:44] your dedication and service to our
[3:41:45] county.
[3:41:46] >> Thank you.
[3:41:52] Good [clears throat] evening, chairman
[3:41:53] and members of the board of supervisors.
[3:41:56] My name is Matt Fischer. I live in
[3:41:58] District 2. I own Plat 10, 945 River
[3:42:01] States Court, and I'm here to
[3:42:03] respectfully oppose case number 26-3 cup
[3:42:06] as currently conditioned.
[3:42:08] My concern is straightforward. The cup
[3:42:11] appears to require the loss or
[3:42:12] dedication of more than an acre of my
[3:42:14] private property. So, a private
[3:42:16] commercial motorsports facility can
[3:42:18] obtain roadway access it does not
[3:42:21] currently have.
[3:42:24] That is significant burden on one
[3:42:26] landowner for the benefit of a private
[3:42:28] applicant.
[3:42:30] I understand my plat states that the
[3:42:32] land is subject to public dedication,
[3:42:34] but that language should not be treated
[3:42:35] as a blank check to compel the transfer
[3:42:38] of private property whenever a
[3:42:40] commercial project needs infrastructure.
[3:42:43] Any taking or dedication should serve a
[3:42:45] legitimate public purpose, follow a
[3:42:47] clear legal process, include
[3:42:49] compensation where required, and be
[3:42:52] proportional to the proposed use.
[3:42:55] Because the dedication of my property
[3:42:57] appears to be a requirement of this cup,
[3:42:59] I requested a step-by-step explanation
[3:43:02] of how the county attends to acquire it
[3:43:05] for a public road to be adopted by VOTE.
[3:43:09] I have not received a response.
[3:43:16] that raises serious concerns about
[3:43:18] notice, due process, public purpose,
[3:43:20] compensation, and whether this condition
[3:43:22] is legally supportable. I don't know.
[3:43:25] The impact is real. If the dedication
[3:43:27] occurs, I lose more than an acre of
[3:43:29] land. I fall below the 10acre threshold
[3:43:31] for my A10 zoning. I lose acreage,
[3:43:34] property value, future land use,
[3:43:36] flexibility, and the zoning expectations
[3:43:38] that existed when I purchased the
[3:43:40] property. At the same time, nearby
[3:43:42] residents in the county will absorb the
[3:43:44] impacts of use increas incre increased
[3:43:47] traffic, roadware, noise, emergency
[3:43:50] response demands, enforcement concerns,
[3:43:52] and neighborhood disruption with no
[3:43:54] clear showing that the public benefit
[3:43:56] offsets those burdens.
[3:43:59] This also creates a dangerous precedent.
[3:44:01] If the county can condition approval of
[3:44:03] a private commercial project on the
[3:44:05] transfer or loss of neighboring owners
[3:44:07] land without first providing a clear
[3:44:10] legal process and justification, any
[3:44:12] rural land owner could face the same
[3:44:14] situation when an applicant needs access
[3:44:16] to infrastructure.
[3:44:18] I respectfully ask the board to deny
[3:44:20] case number 26-3 cup or a minimum remove
[3:44:24] any condition that depends on taking
[3:44:26] dedicating a burden in my property for
[3:44:28] the private commercial use. If the
[3:44:30] project cannot function without
[3:44:32] acquiring adjoining land and damaging
[3:44:34] existing property rights, it has not met
[3:44:36] its burden for approval. Private
[3:44:38] property should not be the price of
[3:44:39] admission for a private motorsports
[3:44:41] park. Please protect Powatan land owners
[3:44:43] A10 zoning and my property rights by
[3:44:46] refusing to let the cup move forward on
[3:44:48] the assumption that my land can be taken
[3:44:51] or used for access without a clear legal
[3:44:53] process and lawful public justification.
[3:44:57] Thank you for your time, your service,
[3:44:58] and your consideration.
[3:45:00] >> Thank you.
[3:45:05] » Hello, I'm Milton Weatherhead at 935
[3:45:08] River Estates Court.
[3:45:11] Um,
[3:45:13] last month in the uh committee meeting,
[3:45:15] there was a jaw-dropping moment.
[3:45:19] Okay. somebody that we didn't know from
[3:45:21] Palatan that attended that meeting and
[3:45:25] he shared with us that um his house, his
[3:45:31] trees, okay, were receiving bullets from
[3:45:34] across the river uh from Amelia Wildlife
[3:45:37] Refuge.
[3:45:39] Now,
[3:45:40] I don't know any parent that wants to
[3:45:42] see,
[3:45:44] you know, a child, even though it's a
[3:45:47] family event, you wounded or or shot
[3:45:50] down or or killed. I don't know of a of
[3:45:54] a government official that would like to
[3:45:57] set something up, the risk of a child or
[3:46:00] some adult being killed. And when I saw
[3:46:04] the maps today and how close that was, I
[3:46:09] thought it was important that you
[3:46:10] understand that uh they've already
[3:46:13] cleared out many of the trees.
[3:46:16] So those bullets from the hunters and
[3:46:19] Amelia that missed the deer are going
[3:46:23] straight across the river into that
[3:46:26] area. Okay, this it's a this is in some
[3:46:32] cases a life or death decision and I I
[3:46:36] oppose the uh proceeding
[3:46:41] for this this uh whatever they call it.
[3:46:44] But uh thank you.
[3:46:46] >> Thank you.
[3:46:51] » Good evening. Peter Shrivever, 916 Rocky
[3:46:54] Ford Road, District 2. I oppose the uh
[3:46:58] cup as it's been put together at this
[3:47:01] point. It strikes me as being a little
[3:47:03] bit like some of these bills in
[3:47:04] Washington where you have to pass the
[3:47:07] bill to figure out what's actually in it
[3:47:09] because we don't really know how we're
[3:47:11] going to access the property. There
[3:47:13] seems to be some questions that we just
[3:47:15] heard from the previous gentleman's. We
[3:47:17] have questions about the road
[3:47:18] conditions. We've talked to VOD a little
[3:47:20] bit about it, but we don't know is Rocky
[3:47:23] Ford Road going to be a safe turning
[3:47:25] access onto River Estates Road from
[3:47:28] either direction. I pull a 30-foot
[3:47:30] camper and I live on Rocky Ford Road. I
[3:47:33] always make a left turn no matter what
[3:47:36] direction I'm my final direction is
[3:47:38] going to be to my destination. But I
[3:47:41] make a left turn, get down to Jennato
[3:47:43] Road, so I can use roads like Dorset
[3:47:46] Road that are a little bit less twisty
[3:47:47] and turny than Rocky Ford just for
[3:47:50] safety. I think I can keep my trailer on
[3:47:54] Rocky Ford Road on the correct side of
[3:47:56] the road. Seems to be some people in
[3:47:58] Powatin that have a little difficulty
[3:48:00] with that once in a while.
[3:48:02] Uh then we also have the impression that
[3:48:05] sometimes it seems like we're going to
[3:48:07] have Granny from uh uh what was the
[3:48:10] show? But anyway, Granny who was always
[3:48:13] you sort of like this little meek mild
[3:48:15] lady driving a four-wheeler on the
[3:48:19] property and it's going to be a nice
[3:48:20] quiet little activity.
[3:48:22] The problem I have with that analysis is
[3:48:26] although they have to keep very careful
[3:48:28] records of the number of vehicles on the
[3:48:32] property, they don't have a check-in
[3:48:34] procedure that says we're going to
[3:48:37] enforce. And I suspect that and and
[3:48:39] trust the applicants will at some level,
[3:48:43] but it says that there'll be no modified
[3:48:46] exhaust systems. It'll be manufacturer
[3:48:48] specifications. I did a quick check on
[3:48:50] Amazon for motorcycle aftermarket
[3:48:53] motorcycle exhaust, found 945 and just
[3:48:57] hitting it once. So, how do you make
[3:48:59] that determination? Is there an exhaust
[3:49:02] or is there not? Now, I'm sure without
[3:49:04] the exhaust, you'll know it quick.
[3:49:08] But is the enforcement going to be
[3:49:10] calling up the county police sheriff's
[3:49:13] office and saying, "Hey, we think
[3:49:15] there's some noisy vehicles down there.
[3:49:18] Apparently, there's no requirement at
[3:49:20] this point that you do recordkeeping on
[3:49:22] that. And we all need therapy. I agree
[3:49:25] with that. Obviously, I need some
[3:49:29] uh I do it by pulling it going out of my
[3:49:33] driveway, making a left turn, running up
[3:49:36] the road, using my two feet. I do it by
[3:49:39] going over to the power tan pool and
[3:49:41] swimming. I also do it every morning.
[3:49:44] The dogs jump in bed and say, "Come on,
[3:49:46] Dad. Let's go for a walk out in the
[3:49:47] field. And we walk around my 6 and 1/2
[3:49:50] acre field that I fenced in one post at
[3:49:52] a time. And that's some of my therapy. I
[3:49:56] can hear the traffic on Janitor Road.
[3:50:01] Every morning when I'm doing that,
[3:50:03] that's how quiet the area can be. I will
[3:50:07] hear throttle therapy.
[3:50:10] My footsteps aren't that noisy. Thank
[3:50:13] you.
[3:50:18] Good evening. Kelly Crockett, District
[3:50:21] 5, Carterville Road. I'm here tonight to
[3:50:24] ask you to deny this conditional use
[3:50:26] permit. If this cup application is
[3:50:29] approved, even with the proposed
[3:50:31] condition requiring upgrades to the road
[3:50:34] and bridge to VOTE standards, you are
[3:50:38] essentially permitting a property rights
[3:50:41] dispute and exposing the county to
[3:50:44] litigation.
[3:50:45] Additionally, Powan County's current
[3:50:48] noise ordinance reads in part, "Sound
[3:50:51] produced by any motorbike, motorcycle,
[3:50:54] ATV, or by any other machine or device
[3:50:57] in such a manner or with such volume or
[3:51:00] duration that it is plainly audible at a
[3:51:03] distance of 150 ft or more from the
[3:51:06] sound source, or inside the confines of
[3:51:09] a dwelling unit, house, or apartment of
[3:51:12] another person, or plainly audible
[3:51:14] within a
[3:51:15] business or place of worship
[3:51:19] is prohibited.
[3:51:21] Um, I'm so excited for this to end
[3:51:24] tonight.
[3:51:26] Please deny this application. Thank you.
[3:51:30] >> Thank you.
[3:51:35] » Howdy. I'm [clears throat] just some guy
[3:51:37] from District 2. Um, I have a a thing
[3:51:41] I've been listening to everybody talking
[3:51:42] tonight is there it sounds like there um
[3:51:46] is a lot of things that would that come up
[3:51:52] to me as progression risk to be able to
[3:51:54] think through of um a proven something
[3:51:56] like this like a a lot of um downstream
[3:51:59] effects that would happen not only now
[3:52:01] but over the next proposed um 15 years.
[3:52:04] I I can only assume that these were
[3:52:05] things the um planning committee had
[3:52:07] gone over. I've tried to look online and
[3:52:10] it says like I'm citing noise and
[3:52:12] environmental concerns. Um this is
[3:52:15] somewhat of a um a question. I don't
[3:52:17] know if anybody here could point me in
[3:52:19] the right direction. Is is there any
[3:52:20] actual like report that they've put
[3:52:22] together that would have this kind of
[3:52:24] compiled this information. It's the same
[3:52:26] concerns seen coming up over and over
[3:52:28] where it's been kind of thought through
[3:52:30] and say this is our um you know this is
[3:52:33] what we hear as what your concerns are.
[3:52:36] um this is the impact that it would
[3:52:38] have. This is what we would plan to do
[3:52:40] on to mitigate it. These are things that
[3:52:42] are still outstanding. These are things
[3:52:44] that we just don't know. Like is there
[3:52:47] anywhere that this has been compiled to
[3:52:49] where this information would be
[3:52:52] available
[3:52:55] anybody in I mean I'd be willing.
[3:53:01] » No. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, thank
[3:53:02] you. If anybody's got that information,
[3:53:05] I would be more than ask.
[3:53:11] » Mike Chris, District 4.
[3:53:13] Uh,
[3:53:18] I work in Mechanicsville.
[3:53:21] I started watching this when it started.
[3:53:25] When this issue was brought up, I sat
[3:53:27] there and I watched the gentlemen come
[3:53:29] up and made their passionate plea.
[3:53:34] But everything I've watched and listened
[3:53:36] to on the hour drive back here.
[3:53:42] If you're a Washington politician,
[3:53:44] approve it.
[3:53:46] But if you are listening to your
[3:53:50] constituents,
[3:53:51] the people that put you where you are
[3:53:54] now,
[3:53:57] and you have not lied to them,
[3:54:02] then deny this request.
[3:54:05] >> Thank you.
[3:54:11] » I don't public speak either, so bear
[3:54:13] with me. My name is Judy Carter, 969
[3:54:15] Rocky Ford Road. My driveway is the
[3:54:19] access road. My house can see the access
[3:54:22] road. I hear every vehicle that goes
[3:54:25] down that road. I heard the hunters that
[3:54:28] went down that road. And that's when the
[3:54:30] ground was fully covered with trees. I
[3:54:33] heard the loggers. I heard them all. The noise that they produced on their
[3:54:38] test runs was unbearable. The dust that
[3:54:42] will come my way will be unbearable.
[3:54:46] I'm asking you to deny this. I've lived
[3:54:48] in this county all my life and on that
[3:54:50] property 40 years. Lots has changed and
[3:54:54] things will change, but this is not the
[3:54:57] right change. And signs have disappeared
[3:55:00] on ours too saying no motor parts. So,
[3:55:04] nobody's picking up signs and they're
[3:55:05] probably just kids acting out. But the
[3:55:08] fact of the matter is my therapy on my
[3:55:11] property is quiet.
[3:55:14] I don't mind an occasional car. I will
[3:55:16] hear 150 Friday, Saturday, and Sunday,
[3:55:21] and on holidays. That is not fair to me.
[3:55:25] Please vote no.
[3:55:27] >> Thank you.
[3:55:41] Curtis Gaunt, 3285 Sparrow's Place. My
[3:55:45] neighbor Karen's over there. My other
[3:55:46] neighbor John's over here. Worried about
[3:55:48] property values for sure. We heard a lot
[3:55:51] about their presentation about uh you
[3:55:54] know, making memories and families and
[3:55:56] that type of thing. And I think that's
[3:55:58] what the lady just said right here. This
[3:56:02] is our families. This is our memories
[3:56:03] and our weekends and our holidays and I
[3:56:06] have Thanksgiving in my house and
[3:56:08] everybody comes and they marvel at Look
[3:56:10] at everything. It's quiet out here. It's
[3:56:11] so quiet. This is great. Look at the
[3:56:13] animals out here. This isn't right. I'm
[3:56:16] in the blast zone, not circle or we're
[3:56:19] just outside, right? Depends on who's
[3:56:21] drawing the lines. But I don't want to
[3:56:24] hear it. I don't want to smell it. I
[3:56:25] don't want to drive around the traffic
[3:56:26] that that road can't handle. I don't
[3:56:29] want to have it in my water. Um, I don't
[3:56:32] have anything against ATVs or the people
[3:56:34] that ride them. Uh, I don't have
[3:56:37] anything about uh people making
[3:56:39] memories. I'm all about that. That's why
[3:56:41] I'm here. That's why we're in Pow Town.
[3:56:44] Um, I'm all for freedom like that guy
[3:56:46] said. But this is not the right place.
[3:56:50] Thank you.
[3:56:51] >> Thank you.
[3:57:10] My name is Lori Malcolm. I'm Judy
[3:57:12] Carter's sister, Betty Jane's cousin,
[3:57:15] and we're from the heritage of how this
[3:57:18] whole property got started. There are
[3:57:21] about 50 of us still that live in the
[3:57:23] county, still have raised their children
[3:57:25] in the county, some have stayed in the
[3:57:28] county, some's gone to surrounding
[3:57:29] counties, but just as the previous
[3:57:31] customer or client or taxpayer, whatever
[3:57:34] we're called, um, has stated, we have
[3:57:37] our holidays here. We have our children
[3:57:40] here. We stand, Judy and myself stand to
[3:57:43] inherit property right next to our
[3:57:46] father owns property still there that we
[3:57:48] jumped off of a rope into the creek into
[3:57:51] the Applamics River and our memories are
[3:57:53] here. We know that things change. We
[3:57:55] know that you as representatives see
[3:57:57] change and we know it's getting to be a
[3:58:00] late night. I thought that my father of
[3:58:02] 85 was going to come up and close the
[3:58:03] meeting, but I think he's probably said
[3:58:06] things in other meetings that I haven't
[3:58:07] been able to stay to meet. He is the
[3:58:10] oldest of our family heritage right now
[3:58:13] and he is here tonight. However, he
[3:58:16] probably feels like it's all been said.
[3:58:18] What I don't think has been said is all
[3:58:21] of us that were born in this county have
[3:58:23] lived in this county. We want the county
[3:58:25] to remain as country as it can for as
[3:58:27] long as it can. And of course, all of
[3:58:30] us, as previous people spoke, I'm a big
[3:58:32] motorcycle rider myself and horses and
[3:58:34] every other outdoor activity. Water is
[3:58:37] my friend. I we we have a lot of things
[3:58:40] going on in this county that I don't
[3:58:42] think the throttle therapy group knows
[3:58:44] about because obviously they didn't
[3:58:46] listen to the beginning of the meeting
[3:58:47] of all the wonderful outings that we
[3:58:49] have available to the county. I think
[3:58:51] it's a wonderful idea but not for this
[3:58:53] county. Thank you for your service.
[3:58:57] >> Thank you.
[3:59:01] » Yes, Daddy.
[3:59:03] [laughter]
[3:59:04] >> He'd like to speak from back there.
[3:59:09] » [laughter]
[3:59:11] >> Understood.
[3:59:15] » Anybody else?
[3:59:17] >> Yeah, I'll try.
[3:59:19] >> Get up.
[3:59:25] » I hate speaking. I'm nervous. My name is
[3:59:27] David Kelly. I live at 925 River States
[3:59:30] Court with my wife who's here tonight.
[3:59:32] sure by now that the board is well aware
[3:59:34] of all the many concerns that have been
[3:59:36] presented concerning the proposed
[3:59:37] motorsports park noise in the traffic
[3:59:40] and all the other things that have been
[3:59:41] mentioned. So I do not want to address
[3:59:44] that. What I do want to talk about is
[3:59:46] the people who have expressed these
[3:59:48] concerns concerns that they're very
[3:59:50] passionate about
[3:59:53] uh the individuals who will be affected
[3:59:55] in inconvenience the most by this park
[3:59:57] on a daily and an hourly basis. These
[4:00:00] are people who choose to live where they
[4:00:02] built their homes because of the peace
[4:00:04] and tranquility of Palatan County. Many
[4:00:07] of them have lived on their properties
[4:00:08] for decades. Some of the lands been
[4:00:11] passed down through generations.
[4:00:13] Most of the people expressing these
[4:00:15] concern live within a two-mile radius of
[4:00:17] the proposed location.
[4:00:19] It will most definitely have a severe
[4:00:21] effect on their daily lives. My entire
[4:00:24] neighborhood is well within this 2-m
[4:00:25] radius. There are also two businesses
[4:00:28] currently operating in close proximity
[4:00:30] that will surely suffer if this park is
[4:00:32] allowed. I believe there are somewhere
[4:00:35] in the neighborhood of well over 350
[4:00:37] individuals who have signed a petition
[4:00:40] opposing this park. Most live within
[4:00:42] this two-m radius. Several surrounding
[4:00:45] neighborhoods have also come together
[4:00:47] with a powerful voice in opposition.
[4:00:50] This includes residents in the county of
[4:00:52] Amelia as well.
[4:00:54] The message of many is always the same.
[4:00:57] This type of activity in our rural area
[4:00:59] of Palatan will jeopardize the solitude
[4:01:02] of quiet country living. It will surely
[4:01:05] destroy some of it. I know there are
[4:01:08] those who would love to have this become
[4:01:09] a reality. I wonder how many of these
[4:01:11] live in this two-mile radius. I wonder
[4:01:14] if they would still welcome it if it
[4:01:16] also inconvenience their daily lives.
[4:01:19] I've heard that the applicant was quoted
[4:01:21] as saying that sometimes there has to be
[4:01:23] sacrifices. Yes, we all have to have
[4:01:26] sacrifices in our lives.
[4:01:30] My question is why should the residents
[4:01:32] of this quiet community sacrifice what
[4:01:35] we have all come to work for and love is
[4:01:37] home. I and many others think that there
[4:01:40] is any sacrifice to be suffered here, it
[4:01:42] should not be the residents of this
[4:01:44] community.
[4:01:46] I would hope that as board members you
[4:01:48] will take into consideration the human
[4:01:50] factor in your decision making. Is this
[4:01:53] proposal right for Palatan County? Is
[4:01:55] this a right choice for the residents of
[4:01:57] Palatan? Thank you.
[4:01:59] >> Thank you.
[4:02:14] My name is Bob Wolf. I live in Palatan.
[4:02:17] I have no idea what zone I'm in. I was
[4:02:20] riding my a bike tonight and I saw the
[4:02:22] bunch of cars outside. I came to
[4:02:24] complain about flock cameras. Instead, I
[4:02:27] saw this. Gentlemen, I personally
[4:02:30] believe I'm not affected by this at all,
[4:02:32] but I personally believe that if you
[4:02:33] pass this thing and let that motorports
[4:02:36] thing go, you're out of a job. Thank
[4:02:38] you.
[4:02:39] >> Thank you.
[4:02:46] » Anybody else?
[4:02:50] » All right. With that, I'm going to close
[4:02:52] the public comment period and open up to
[4:02:55] board comments. Uh, I don't want to
[4:02:57] steal anybody's thunder. I know District
[4:02:59] 2 and District 4 representatives have some things to say. U, but, um, I
[4:03:05] want to thank you all for for being
[4:03:07] civil. Um, it's a passionate topic and I
[4:03:11] know a lot of people are very
[4:03:14] uh,
[4:03:16] a lot of strong opinions, a lot of
[4:03:18] strong ideas and and thoughts about the
[4:03:20] issue. So, so thank you for that. And
[4:03:23] it's a it has been a long road. Um,
[4:03:26] [clears throat]
[4:03:28] there sometimes I wish I could just take
[4:03:29] all of all of the comments and just kind
[4:03:31] of bald it into to one statement and
[4:03:34] just say ditto, but I I can't do that.
[4:03:38] So, uh, my background is is is very
[4:03:41] purely focused on on safety and, uh, I
[4:03:44] look at I look at traffic and I look at
[4:03:46] the impacts there. Um, that's that's my
[4:03:50] biggest concern. Um, but more than that,
[4:03:55] I care about what brings you peace.
[4:03:58] That's what's important. We talk, we
[4:04:00] talked about a lot of impacts. We talked
[4:04:01] about environmental impacts. We talked
[4:04:02] about all sorts of different impacts,
[4:04:04] but more than anything, it it's what
[4:04:07] brings you peace.
[4:04:09] Um, and for me, that's that's what was
[4:04:12] heard more than anything tonight. Uh, so
[4:04:15] thank you for that.
[4:04:18] Any other board [clears throat]
[4:04:18] comments,
[4:04:20] >> Mr. Chair? Go ahead.
[4:04:22] >> I'll go first since I'm two and four.
[4:04:24] So, it looks like most of the people
[4:04:26] that uh are up here are district two and
[4:04:30] I represent y'all. So, I will never go
[4:04:32] against y'all. Um apologize to throttle
[4:04:36] therapy for putting y'all through this
[4:04:38] and apologize to the my my constituents
[4:04:41] Palian County for the suffering y'all
[4:04:43] went through for the past three or four
[4:04:44] months. Um I'm going to keep it short
[4:04:48] and sweet. All my district two people
[4:04:50] were here and they were spoke violently.
[4:04:51] I mean I think it was one person from
[4:04:53] district 2 that approved this. So I will
[4:04:55] be totally against this. I will be a
[4:04:57] vote no. And I would also like to make a
[4:05:00] second motion after this motion to
[4:05:02] remove
[4:05:04] uh motorsports park from A10. So
[4:05:16] go ahead Mark. Any
[4:05:19] other board comments?
[4:05:24] » Mr. Chairman,
[4:05:25] >> George,
[4:05:29] » thank everybody from District 4. I've
[4:05:31] had to play counselor. Um, I've gotten a
[4:05:33] lot of phone calls, a lot of emails, got
[4:05:36] to have some heart-to-he heart
[4:05:37] conversations with some people, and I've
[4:05:39] enjoyed every minute of it. One of the
[4:05:42] hardest, and there's two things since I
[4:05:44] got elected that I will never do. I will
[4:05:46] never not listen to my constituents and
[4:05:48] I will do everything I can to protect
[4:05:50] the rural character of this county. You
[4:05:52] know, I have a lot of feelings about
[4:05:53] this. I live on Rocky Ford as well along
[4:05:56] with a lot of you folks. But the one of
[4:05:58] the hardest things a supervisor has to
[4:06:00] do is when he makes a motion,
[4:06:04] he has to set the feelings aside and he
[4:06:06] has to look at the review standards of
[4:06:09] the conditional use permit and does the
[4:06:13] applicant demonstrate the proposed
[4:06:15] conditional use.
[4:06:17] So one, the applicant has not
[4:06:20] appropriate. It's not an appropriate
[4:06:23] location.
[4:06:24] It's not compatible with the genital
[4:06:26] character of the surrounding lands.
[4:06:30] It does not avoid significant adverse
[4:06:32] odor, noise, glare, vibration impacts on
[4:06:36] surrounding lands regarding refuge
[4:06:38] collection, service delivery, parking
[4:06:41] and loading signs and lighting. It does
[4:06:44] not avoid significant deterioration of
[4:06:47] water and air resources, scenic
[4:06:49] resources and other natural uh
[4:06:52] resources. It does not maintain a safe
[4:06:55] and convenient ingress and egress and
[4:06:58] traffic flow into and through the
[4:07:01] vehicles by and pedestrians and safe
[4:07:05] road conditions at the site. So with all
[4:07:08] that in mind, I make a motion that we
[4:07:09] deny the motors parks part C based on
[4:07:13] those review standards.
[4:07:14] >> Second.
[4:07:18] >> Any other any other comments before we
[4:07:20] move to a roll call vote?
[4:07:22] >> Sure.
[4:07:23] >> Um I want to thank everyone here. It
[4:07:27] it's it's been interesting over the last
[4:07:29] three years to deal with passion. Um,
[4:07:33] and I appreciate it and I appreciate the
[4:07:35] passion you all have shown this evening
[4:07:36] for your positions and mostly the fact
[4:07:40] that you've been able to express your
[4:07:42] passion civily and I I genuinely
[4:07:46] appreciate that. Um the standards of the
[4:07:49] cup that my colleague just just read
[4:07:52] really speak to um the whole concept of
[4:07:55] property rights and the fact that um we
[4:07:58] have to respect them until these sorts
[4:08:02] of standards are not being lived up to.
[4:08:05] These are called externalities and we we
[4:08:08] can't tolerate
[4:08:11] uh externalities being imposed on others
[4:08:14] by virtue of a property right. So, um,
[4:08:18] for that reason, for all these
[4:08:19] standards, and for all that I've heard
[4:08:21] today, um, I I also concur with my
[4:08:24] colleagues. I will not be supporting
[4:08:27] this cup.
[4:08:29] >> Dr.
[4:08:30] I
[4:08:34] » I find that regardless of what the
[4:08:38] applicant has said, there's nothing
[4:08:41] there's not a lot to back it up
[4:08:44] that we would um see growth as I pointed
[4:08:47] as they said in um our hotels.
[4:08:53] We don't have a hotel. It would be nice
[4:08:55] if we did, but we don't. um that it
[4:08:58] would have a positive economic
[4:09:02] um
[4:09:03] uh stream of money to the county. They
[4:09:06] don't have that in there. We have no
[4:09:09] idea what it would make from the
[4:09:13] planning commission that I viewed. They
[4:09:16] don't know what their staffing would be.
[4:09:18] I think this I think the business plan
[4:09:22] is too loose at this point in time.
[4:09:26] um if I was going to start something, I
[4:09:30] would have that laid out and the
[4:09:32] resources and what would be laid down.
[4:09:34] That's just me. Um I for all the other
[4:09:40] reasons, mine is I don't see the
[4:09:42] business plan in operation
[4:09:45] and I think there's too many holes where
[4:09:47] there shouldn't be.
[4:09:50] >> Thank you. We'll take a roll call vote,
[4:09:53] please.
[4:09:54] >> Mr. McClung
[4:09:56] >> I
[4:09:58] I'm sorry. Nay.
[4:09:59] >> No. It's a motion to deny.
[4:10:01] >> Oh, the motion to deny. So,
[4:10:02] >> yes.
[4:10:03] No.
[4:10:04] >> Yes.
[4:10:06] >> Feel like I'm at home.
[4:10:10] >> We're good.
[4:10:13] >> Mr. Powers.
[4:10:14] >> Uh, yes. No.
[4:10:17] [laughter]
[4:10:18] >> Hi. Thank you,
[4:10:20] >> Dr. Brown.
[4:10:21] >> Hi,
[4:10:22] >> Vice Chair Kenny. I
[4:10:24] >> chairman Dennady
[4:10:25] >> I
[4:10:27] All right, that'll break bring us out of
[4:10:29] the uh public hearing. Um
[4:10:33] [clears throat]
[4:10:38] that
[4:10:39] >> we're laughing now.
[4:10:41] >> County Attorney comments.
[4:10:45] >> County Minister comments. I
[4:10:46] >> just want to say thank you to uh Mr.
[4:10:48] Lian Webb. He's he's migrated to the
[4:10:50] back of the room, but uh Ligins accepted
[4:10:52] an opportunity in another another
[4:10:54] locality, but he went out of his way to
[4:10:56] make sure he guided us through tonight's
[4:10:58] meeting. So, wish you well and thank you
[4:11:00] very much.
[4:11:07] » Board comments,
[4:11:08] >> Mr. Chair.
[4:11:09] >> Good. like to ask staff to prepare an
[4:11:11] amendment to bring to the next meeting
[4:11:12] to begin the process to refer to the
[4:11:14] planning commission to remove
[4:11:16] motorsports park from HM
[4:11:31] » is a motion that you
[4:11:35] » second.
[4:11:37] >> All in favor? I I
[4:11:39] >> Any oppose?
[4:11:41] >> Hearing none, that passes 5. Any other
[4:11:42] board comments?
[4:11:43] >> I just have one. I just I again want to
[4:11:45] thank everybody that reached out to me
[4:11:47] via email and phone call. Um it was a
[4:11:49] true pleasure getting to meet every one
[4:11:50] of you and um and if you need anything
[4:11:53] again, just give me a shout. Thanks
[4:11:55] again.
[4:11:56] >> Yeah,
[4:11:57] >> I will uh I'd like to mention that um
[4:12:00] Lian Webb, thanks so much for for your
[4:12:02] time and thank you for finishing strong.
[4:12:05] >> Thank you.
[4:12:06] >> Like a pro. Yeah. Any other comments?
[4:12:11] Meeting adjourned.