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>> Good morning. I'd like to

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call this meeting

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to order and thank you all

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for joining us. I'd also like

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to announce at the top

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of the meeting that since we

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have such a large amount

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of speakers for item number

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76, that the limited time

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minute per speaker,

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both remote and in person,

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will be 2 minutes. And that

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will be true for any agenda

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item where we have speakers,

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more than 10 signed up. This

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morning, our invocation and

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pledge will be led by the 4th

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District.

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>> Thank you, Madam Chair, and

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good morning. I'd like

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to introduce Father David

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Tadros, who has served as

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priest at St. Mina Coptic

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Egyptian Orthodox Church in

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Colton for the last past 6

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months. He served

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for the last 5 years as an

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enterprise program analyst

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for the San Bernardino County

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Innovation and Technology

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Department. You may remember

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him as Sammy Tadros. His name

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was changed to Father David

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Tadros after the ordination.

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In February 2026, he was called

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by the St. Mina Coptic

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Egyptian Orthodox Church in

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Colton to the priesthood,

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a calling that he has received

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with gratitude, humility,

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and a deep sense

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of responsibility before God

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and the Church. The ministry

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has allowed Father Tadros

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to provide pastoral care

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for approximately 2,500 Church

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members. He serves alongside

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137 priests through 50 Coptic

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across the diocese. He is

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married to Mary Elias, who

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works as an engineer for San

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Works, and has 2 children, Joy

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and Joshua. His family is an

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essential part

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to both his life and ministry.

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Father Tadros's personal

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interests include serving the

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community, traveling, cooking,

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and programming. And we had a

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great time with him working

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on my office software. Thank

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you for being here. Please lead

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us in prayer and pledge.

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>> Good morning. I would like

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to thank Supervisor Curt

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Hagman and the County of San

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Bernardino for the privilege of

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leading today's invocation and

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the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Before my ordination

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to the priesthood,

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I had the honor to serve the

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community as an employee of

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San Bernardino. It's an honor

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to be here with you today.

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I offer this invocation. As we

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begin, we invite the presence

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of our Lord and Savior Jesus

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Christ, to be with us, as our

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Lord said in Matthew 18:20, For

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where two or three are gathered

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together in my name,

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I am there in the midst

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of them." And Psalm 53:12

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declares, "Blessed is the nation

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whose God is the Lord, the

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people he has chosen as his own

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inheritance." We are reminded

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of words inscribed

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in this chamber, In God We

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Trust. May the trust guide the

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port, grant them,

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grant each supervisor wisdom,

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and help all who serve our

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county to lead

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with integrity, justice,

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and compassion. I invite you to

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bow your heads and let us pray.

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In the name of the Father, and

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the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

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one God. Amen. Oh Master Lord,

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God the Almighty, the Father

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of our Lord God and Savior

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Jesus Christ, we thank you

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for everything,

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concerning everything and

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in everything,

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for you have covered us,

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helped us, guarded us,

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accepted us to yourself,

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spared us, supported us

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to yourself, and brought us

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to this hour. We thank you for

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the opportunity and the sacred

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responsibility to serve our

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brothers and sisters and our

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beloved country. We recognize

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and acknowledge that the

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existing authorities are

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appointed by you. Prepare every

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heart, align every mind,

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and let your Holy Spirit guide

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them

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into clarity and understanding.

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Supervisors and all who serve

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San Bernardino County and every

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leader in this place. Empower

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them with wisdom, discernment,

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and integrity. Let justice be

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their standard. Truth be their

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foundation and service be their

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motive,

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so their decisions are rooted

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in justice and their words

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filled with kindness. Grant

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them, Lord, the humility to

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listen deeply and the strength

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to act boldly. Today, Lord, we

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ask you to replace tension

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with peace, division

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with unity, and uncertainty

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with clear purpose and wise

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direction. Let San Bernardino

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County flourish spiritually,

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economically, and socially,

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so that every family, every

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business, and every community

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may know well-being and

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opportunity. May the decisions

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made here today uplift the

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people,

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strengthen our communities.

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Bless everyone who works for

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San Bernardino County and

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everyone who works each day

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to keep our community safe,

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healthy, and strong. Oh

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Master, we especially pray

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for our families, our children,

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our elderly,

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and everyone who is going

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through a difficult time.

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for them, and help us

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to always be willing

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to help those in need. As

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Jesus taught us in Matthew

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chapter 6 to pray, saying, our

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Father, who art in heaven,

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hallowed be thy name. Thy

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kingdom come, thy will be done

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on earth as it is in heaven.

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Give us this day our daily

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bread, and forgive us our

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trespasses,

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as we forgive those who

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trespass against us. And lead

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us not into temptation

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but deliver us

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from the evil one.

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glory, forever. Amen. Now, if

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you would please face the flag

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and let us pledge allegiance

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together. I pledge allegiance

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to the flag of the United

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States of America and the

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Republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God,

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indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for

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all. Thank you very much.

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>> I do have one I would like

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to speak of. It is

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with great sorrow for me that

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on August 5th, Terry

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Kalinski.

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>> Supervisor, I need

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to ask you to pause

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for a moment. I'd like

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to announce, attention members

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of the board, the public,

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we are experiencing a

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>> Thank you, Madam Chair.

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>> And as a reminder

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to those here in chambers,

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>> I apologize

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for the inconvenience. Thank

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you for your patience.

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>> This is a public input test

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message to verify

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>> All right. Remote

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participation services are

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restored. I will now reconvene

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the meeting. Supervisor

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>> Thank you. Let's see if it

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shuts off one more time. What I

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to earlier was the passing away

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of Terry Kalinski, who on

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August 5th, left to be

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with our Lord. Terry was a

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great man. Those who know me

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and know my story know that he

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was the person who gave me my

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first chance in life

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to be successful,

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starting as a pressure washer

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to a journeyman diesel

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mechanic, heavy equipment

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operator. I owe all of that

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to Terry Kalinski, who saw a

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16-year-old kid and gave him a

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chance. He didn't have a story

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far off from mine. He, he

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started his own company at 16

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years old by borrowing $500

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to buy his first truck,

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and then in 1977 bought

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Dalton Trucking in the city

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of Fontana. where it started

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with 4 trucks and grew that

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business to one of the largest

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heavy hauling companies

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of trucking in Southern

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California. He was also a huge

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advocate for truck preservation

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and helped establish the

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Southern California chapter

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for American Truck History

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Society in 1982 and later was

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the national president. Terry

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held a really deep part

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in my heart because he,

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he was that guy who gave me a

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chance, and sorry

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to see him go

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in his later years. His legacy

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will continue with his sons

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Matt and Josh, who are deeply

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involved

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in the truck community also.

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And just wanted to adjourn

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in memory of Terry Kalinski.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you, Supervisor

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Hagman. This morning, I would

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like to adjourn

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in memory. Adjourn in memory.

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>> Oh, I'll just add to, Terry

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also served for many years as a

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workforce developer

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on our workforce development

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for San Bernardino County.

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That's all.

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>> Thank you. This morning,

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I would like to adjourn

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in memory of Jackie, one

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of the famous Big Bear bald

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eagles. Jackie and her mate

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Shadow became local icons and

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touched the heart of millions

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of people around the world

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through the Eagle Cam. The

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Big Bear Valley will not be the

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same without her. We sadly have

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lost several county employees.

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I am very disheartened

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to hear that 3 county employees

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have passed away in July, so I

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would like to adjourn

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in their memories this morning.

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Casey Maldonado was a,

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served as a social worker

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with the Department of

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Children and Family Services

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for over 2 years. She was a

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passionate advocate and made a

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lasting impact on children,

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families, and the communities

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that she served. Our hearts go

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out to her family.

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Additionally, Angel Romero

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spent 20 years

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with the county. He worked

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across various departments

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including the Sheriff's

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Department, Facilities

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Management, Arrowhead

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Regional Medical Center. Angel

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is remembered for his strong

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work ethic and his dedication

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to his role. We extend our

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condolences to his family,

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friends, and co-workers. And

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Deputy Adam Saragih, who served

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the San Bernardino County

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Sheriff's Department for 6

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years. He began his career in

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Barstow and later transferred

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to the Fontana Station. Adam

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was actively preparing to

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become a detective specializing

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in crimes against children. He

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is remembered

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for his kindness, compassion,

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and dedication to service. We

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keep his family and thoughts

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in our prayers at this time.

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And we do not have any special

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presentations this morning,

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so we will move on

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to our reports from County

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Counsel, Laura?

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>> Thank you, Madam Chair. I

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have 3 items to report on. The

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board considered or met

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in closed session

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for item number 1 and

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considered item 2

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under that agenda,

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which is the matter of Jason

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Faghi versus Mohit Kumar

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Sadiv, and voted 5-0

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to authorize the filing

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of a cross complaint against

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Insomniac Holdings LLC

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for indemnity

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under an encroachment permit.

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The board also considered item

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number six, the matter of

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Martha Bjulna versus County

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of San Bernardino and voted 5-0

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to ratify the filing

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of a cross complaint

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against SEA Financial LLC.

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And Bellasia Corporation

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for indemnity under lease and

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service contract terms. The

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board also considered item

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number 7 and voted 5-0

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to file an action against

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defendants that will be

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disclosed upon request

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after the action is filed.

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That is all of my report.

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>> Thank you very much. That

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brings us to our individual

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board member comments. Vice

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Chair Baca.

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>> Yeah, thank you, Madam

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Chair. First event I want

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to highlight was our National

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Night Out we had at

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Bloomington. I want

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to thank our Sheriff's

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Department

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for participating and the

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Probation Department and all

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our county departments that

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supported and want

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to thank the community

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for coming out. And one of the

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things we had the opportunity

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to celebrate was our $936,000

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investment in Ayala Park,

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adding new swings and 8 shaded

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covers. The community was very,

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very appreciative. So, I want

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to thank you all

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for joining us. Also, we had

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our Monterey Elementary

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back-to-school celebration,

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which is

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in our unincorporated area of

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Little Third. At that time,

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we provided 400 backpacks

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for many,

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many community students

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at the school. I want to thank

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the departments that helped us.

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One, want to thank the San

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Bernardino City Unified

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School District, Bank of

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America, ARMC Children's

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Fund, Molina Healthcare,

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Child Care Resource Center, and

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Public Health, and all the

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county departments that came

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out there. It was just a great

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event, and it's great to see

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those students receive

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backpacks, spirit shirts,

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socks, and school supplies.

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Also recently, last week,

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we just had our Little Third

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Street ribbon cutting,

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which was an improvement

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in the Little Third community,

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which is unincorporated area

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across the street from the

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Sheriff's Department. There was

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road improvements, ADA ramps,

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also fencing put up

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near the flood channel. It

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really revitalized that

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community. It was a $4 million

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investment, and Congressman

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Aguilar was present. He

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invested $2.5 million. So, I

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want to thank him

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for his support and want

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to thank our Public Works staff

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for being able to execute this

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one. I know this one was a long

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time and a lot of work,

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and it took just a little

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over 4 and a half years

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to get done. So, I want

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to thank Public Works

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for executing this project.

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Also

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at our preschool services,

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the Mill Street Development

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Center, we added STEM and

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playground improvements. What

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this will do is have new

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science features,

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interactive stations designed

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to encourage curiosity and

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learning. Also, the playground

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upgrades that have a painted

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bike path, enhanced privacy

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fencing, turf, port and play,

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safety surfacing. I want to

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thank the preschool department

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for those investments

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in the early education of all

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of our students in,

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in the entire county. Also,

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this weekend,

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we have the dump day at

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Arrowhead Farms community

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at the Our Lady of Assumption

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in the unincorporated area of

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Arrowhead Farms. Encourage

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those that live

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in that community to come

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out and take advantage

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of the services. Also, on one

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of the committees I serve

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on is the Inland Valley

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Development Agency. We approved

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a project on Tippecanoe 3rd and

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Alabama

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for some median landscaping

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to try to enhance the area

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near the airport.

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to make it more attractive

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for those that are interested

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in travel throughout the San

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Bernardino International

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Airport. And the last thing,

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just want

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to highlight some items that

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are on the agenda. Item 6 is

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modernized nutrition services

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for older adults

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to increase meals in the San

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Bernardino community. Item 21

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is $11 million commitment

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from the County of San

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Bernardino for commitment of a

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homeless outreach prevention

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education campus. Here in the

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City of San Bernardino. And the

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hopes is that we can mirror

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what they did on the West End

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with the West End Navigation

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and try

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to encourage other city

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partners to participate

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in this. Also, Item 29, I want

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to thank the Preschool

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Services Department

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in combination with our

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Community Action Partnership

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to provide diapers for many,

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many kids that are underserved

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families. And Item 34, we're

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looking at continued progress

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at the animal shelter,

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adding a phase 2, which phase

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1 is under construction,

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which will be done this spring,

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but also looking at a phase 2

588
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that will allow us the

589
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opportunity to have some

590
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:16,100
of our cities become partners

591
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:18,100
with us at the county. And the

592
00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:19,100
last one, just want

593
00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:21,100
to highlight, is item 62,

594
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:22,100
continued progress on Fire

595
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:24,100
Station 227, which is located

596
00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:25,100
here in the City of San

597
00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:27,100
Bernardino. This is a great

598
00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:28,100
investment. It's

599
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:29,100
under construction now,

600
00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:30,100
but this is to continue

601
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:31,100
to keep it moving. Thank you,

602
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:33,100
Madam Chair.

603
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:34,100
>> Thank you very much.

604
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:35,100
Supervisor Cook? Supervisor

605
00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:37,100
Armendarez?

606
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:39,100
>> Thank you. A couple things I

607
00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:42,100
want to highlight August 20th,

608
00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:43,100
which is this Thursday, we will

609
00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:45,100
be having our next open house

610
00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:46,100
at our district office. We'll

611
00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:48,100
have a bunch

612
00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:50,401
of county departments there.

613
00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:56,100
We're going to have some

614
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:57,100
of our, we'll have face

615
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:58,100
painting, we'll have hot dogs

616
00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:00,100
for people to eat. It'll be an

617
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:02,100
opportunity for people

618
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:03,100
to see what the county does.

619
00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:04,100
So, feel free to come out.

620
00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:06,100
It'll be August 20th from 5 to

621
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:08,100
at my district office

622
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:09,100
on the corner of Arrow and

623
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:11,100
Haven in Rancho Cucamonga.

624
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:13,100
Also, we will be having our

625
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:15,100
first annual Family Fun Day

626
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:17,100
on August 29th in cooperation

627
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:19,100
with our regional parks, where

628
00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:20,100
we will be hosting an event

629
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:23,100
from 10 to 2 PM. We're going

630
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:24,100
to have a bunch

631
00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:25,100
of games and just bring people

632
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:27,100
out to just fellowship together

633
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:29,100
and have fun. Also just give a

634
00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:31,100
couple of things that we

635
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:32,100
highlighted that we've done

636
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:35,100
recently. We actually went out

637
00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:36,100
to Brightline in Florida and

638
00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:37,100
took a tour of the actual

639
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:39,100
high-speed train and what

640
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:40,100
they're doing and seeing how

641
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:41,100
the components of everything

642
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:42,100
in their work. Also was able

643
00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:44,100
to sit down with some of the

644
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:46,100
administrators there and go

645
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:47,100
over what the financing

646
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:48,100
of that train looks

647
00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:50,100
like and how far we are

648
00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:51,100
from getting it. But it looks

649
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:52,100
like it's definitely

650
00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:54,100
within opportunity for us

651
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:55,100
to obtain to have that

652
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:58,100
high-speed rail come to us.

653
00:28:58,100 --> 00:28:59,100
The bad part is if,

654
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:00,100
if we can't make it happen

655
00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:01,100
here, we're probably another

656
00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:02,100
20 years away from actually

657
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:05,100
making it ever happen. So, we

658
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:06,100
got to do everything we can to

659
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:07,100
make sure that that actually

660
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:09,100
moves forward. We also did our

661
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:10,100
scoops with the supervisor

662
00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:11,100
at the Jesse Turner Center

663
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:13,100
in the city of Fontana. We also

664
00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:15,100
participated in a bunch of

665
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:17,100
National Nights Out, and we

666
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:19,100
attended the incredible edibles

667
00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:22,100
event. I want to highlight just

668
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:23,100
one item. I believe it's item

669
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:26,100
26, and the Friends of the

670
00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:29,100
Library, we're accepting a gift

671
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:31,100
of $125,000 from them. Just

672
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:32,100
want to say thank you to the

673
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:34,100
Friends of the Library. That's

674
00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:35,100
it.

675
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:36,100
>> Thank you.

676
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:37,100
Supervisor Hagman.

677
00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:38,100
>> Thank you, Madam Chair.

678
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:39,100
Just a couple

679
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:40,100
of agenda items. Item number

680
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:41,100
53 is approving the Prado

681
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:43,100
Regional Park Master Plan, and

682
00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:45,100
I just want to congratulate

683
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:46,100
Leotta and the whole team

684
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:47,100
for all the work they've done

685
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:48,100
in the last couple years. They

686
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:50,100
finished the Prado new entry.

687
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:51,100
The playground, which is

688
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:53,100
fantastic, has a splash pad as

689
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:55,100
well. RV and tent restrooms

690
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:57,100
have been refurbished,

691
00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:58,100
the snack bar and boat docks

692
00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:00,100
are complete, and the big thing

693
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:02,100
was the grass is staying green.

694
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:03,100
So, thank you

695
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:04,100
for all the hard work by,

696
00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:06,100
by the Parks Department and

697
00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:07,100
Real Estate Services and

698
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:09,100
everybody working on that.

699
00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:10,100
Prado Sports Courts is

700
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:11,100
with the Army Corps of

701
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:13,100
Engineers for review. And item

702
00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:15,100
number 63 allows military

703
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:16,100
service members transition

704
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:18,100
to civilian life

705
00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:19,100
to apprentice and intern

706
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:20,100
with the county fire

707
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:22,100
to gain valuable job skills.

708
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:24,100
From SCAG, SCAG has this last

709
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:26,100
mile freight program rebate is

710
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:28,100
accepting applications. This

711
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:31,100
program supports conversion

712
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:32,100
of last mile freight vehicles

713
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:34,401
to battery electric models.

714
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:38,100
And lastly, to, to also honor

715
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:40,100
Jackie, the Ontario Tower

716
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:42,100
Buzzards, we partner with

717
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:44,100
Friends of Big Bear Valley

718
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:45,100
for Fly High Jackie Night. On

719
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:47,100
Sunday, August 23rd, at

720
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:48,100
Ontario Field. The evening will

721
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:50,100
honor the life and legacy of

722
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:51,100
Jackie and the beloved Big

723
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:53,100
Bear bald eagle, with 50%

724
00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:54,100
of the proceeds going toward

725
00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:56,100
Friends of Big Bear Valley.

726
00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:57,100
So, tickets are available

727
00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:58,100
online. Thank you.

728
00:30:58,100 --> 00:30:59,100
>> Thank you very much. This

729
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:00,100
morning, I would like

730
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:02,100
to highlight item number 58

731
00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:03,100
on our consent calendar. It is

732
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:05,100
an item that will award

733
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:06,100
construction contract

734
00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:07,100
in the amount of $3 million

735
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:08,100
to make improvements to the

736
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:09,100
Sunburst Park, which is our

737
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:11,100
community park in Joshua

738
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:12,100
Tree. The project is fully

739
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:13,100
funded by the Clean

740
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:14,100
California Local Grant Program

741
00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:15,100
and will include,

742
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:16,100
include improvements

743
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:17,100
like new playgrounds,

744
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:18,100
accessible walkways, enhanced

745
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:20,100
lighting, landscaping,

746
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:22,100
and outdoor fitness zones. And

747
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:24,100
I would also like to mention

748
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:26,100
that we have a job and resource

749
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:27,100
fair coming to Big Bear Lake

750
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:29,100
on Thursday, August 27th,

751
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:30,100
from 10 in the morning until 1

752
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:31,100
in the afternoon,

753
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:32,100
and that will take place at

754
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:34,100
Hofert Hall located at 39707

755
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:36,100
Big Bear Boulevard. We're

756
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:38,100
hosting this free event

757
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:39,100
in partnership with the

758
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:40,100
County Workforce Development

759
00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:41,100
Department

760
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:42,100
to bring together employers

761
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:44,100
from a variety of industries,

762
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:45,100
In addition

763
00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:46,100
to employment opportunities,

764
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:47,100
representatives from the

765
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:48,100
Public Defender's Office, the

766
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:49,100
Assessor-Recorder-Clerk's

767
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:50,100
Office, and the Department of

768
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:52,100
Veterans Affairs will also be

769
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:53,100
available

770
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:54,100
to assist residents. You can

771
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:56,100
register at this event

772
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:58,100
on eventbrite.com. And Linda,

773
00:31:58,100 --> 00:32:00,100
Linda, do we have any revisions

774
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:01,100
to today's agenda?

775
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:03,100
>> Good morning, Madam Chair.

776
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:04,100
No, no revisions today. Thank

777
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:05,100
you.

778
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:06,100
>> Very good. If we have any

779
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:07,100
board members wishing

780
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:08,100
to disclose a conflict

781
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:09,100
of interest on any items

782
00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:10,100
on today's agenda,

783
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:11,100
now would be the time

784
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:14,100
to do so. All right, seeing

785
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:15,100
none, we'll move on

786
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:17,100
to our consent calendar,

787
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:18,100
which today consists

788
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:20,100
of items number 2 through 74.

789
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:21,100
Do I have any members wishing

790
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:23,401
to pull an item?

791
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:25,100
>> Yes, yes, Chair, I'd like

792
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:27,100
to pull item number 5.

793
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:29,100
>> All right, thank you. And I

794
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:30,100
have one request to speak.

795
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:31,100
We'll take that before I do

796
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:32,100
board member comments on any

797
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:34,100
items. I have a remote

798
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:35,100
participation by Michelle

799
00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:37,100
Tracy.

800
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:50,100
>> Good morning, Supervisors.

801
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:52,100
My name is Michelle Tracy, and

802
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:54,100
I'm speaking today as a

803
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:55,100
concerned member of our high

804
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:57,100
desert community. I'm asking

805
00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:58,100
that you guys take a serious

806
00:32:58,100 --> 00:32:59,100
look

807
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:00,100
at traffic safety and speeding

808
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:01,100
in the Victor Valley,

809
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:02,100
particularly along Ridgecrest

810
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:04,100
Road and Apple Valley Road.

811
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:07,100
with Yakima Road corridor. On

812
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:09,100
August 14th, 2026, our

813
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:11,100
community lost 2 teenage best

814
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:13,100
friends, 17-year-old

815
00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:15,401
Madeline, Madeline Daly and

816
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:18,100
16-year-old Isabel Delaine at

817
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:20,100
Ridgecrest Road and Elmwood

818
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:21,100
Drive. Authorities report that

819
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:22,100
2 vehicles were traveling

820
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:23,100
at high speed and rate on

821
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:24,100
Ridgecrest

822
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:26,100
before that collision. These

823
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:27,100
girls had just started their

824
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:28,100
senior year, and they should

825
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:30,100
have been talking and thinking

826
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:32,100
about graduations. college

827
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:33,100
careers,

828
00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:34,100
and everything that was

829
00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:35,100
supposed to come next. This is

830
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:37,401
especially concerning that this

831
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:41,100
is not the first fatal accident

832
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:42,100
on Ridgecrest and Elmwood. A

833
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:44,100
60-year-old woman was killed

834
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:45,100
at the same intersection on

835
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:47,100
November 2025.

836
00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:48,100
>> Ma'am, I hate

837
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:50,100
to interrupt you,

838
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:51,100
but I have you signed up

839
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:52,100
to speak

840
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:53,100
on agenda item number 2, and

841
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:54,100
your topic sounds more like

842
00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:55,100
on items not

843
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:57,100
on today's agenda.

844
00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:03,100
>> There's no spot for anyone

845
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:04,100
to speak about, just speak

846
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:05,100
out publicly.

847
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:07,100
>> There is, and you are signed

848
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:08,100
up to do that later

849
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:10,100
in our meeting.

850
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:11,100
>> Okay, so that's going

851
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:12,100
to be later?

852
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:13,100
>> If you, if you would like

853
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:14,100
to continue on,

854
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:15,100
and then I can remove you

855
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:17,401
from that list later.

856
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:20,100
>> Okay, please.

857
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:22,401
>> Thank you. Please continue.

858
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:25,100
>> This was not the first fatal

859
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:27,100
accident at Ridgecrest and

860
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:28,100
Elmwood. A 67-year-old woman

861
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:29,100
was killed

862
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:30,100
at the same intersection on

863
00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:32,100
November 2025. The residents

864
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:34,100
were already publicly raising

865
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:35,100
concerns

866
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:37,100
about speeding and asking for

867
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:39,100
additional traffic controls.

868
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:41,100
The other intersection that

869
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:44,100
concerns me is the one on

870
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:45,100
Apple Valley Road and

871
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:46,100
Yucca Loma Road. On July 29th,

872
00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:48,100
2026, 39-year-old mother

873
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:51,100
Theodora Wilson and her

874
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:53,100
children, 7-year-old Rose

875
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:55,100
Venezuela and 6-year-old

876
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:57,100
Felix Venezuela, were killed.

877
00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:58,100
Their father and their

878
00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:00,100
16-year-old sister suffered

879
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:01,100
major injuries. And that was

880
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:03,100
not the first fatality

881
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:05,100
at the intersection this year.

882
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:06,100
On February 7th, 2026,

883
00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:08,401
6-year-old Marvin White was

884
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:11,100
killed at Apple Valley Road and

885
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:13,100
Yucca Loma Road. What I'm asking

886
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:15,100
you guys to do is take a look

887
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:16,000
at the Victor Valley,

888
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,100
at these intersections. And see

889
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:20,100
what we can do about them. How

890
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:22,100
many families have

891
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:23,100
to lose somebody before we

892
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:24,100
decide that something needs

893
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:25,100
to change? Our children are

894
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:26,100
learning to drive

895
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:27,100
on these roads every year.

896
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:28,100
Another group of teenagers gets

897
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:30,100
their permits and driver's

898
00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:32,100
licenses. They are sharing the

899
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:33,100
roads where excessive speeds

900
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:34,100
can turn one mistake into a

901
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:36,100
fatal collision. I'm asking

902
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:38,401
that the county representatives

903
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:41,100
work with Victorville, Apple

904
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:42,100
Valley, CHT,

905
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:43,100
and the appropriate agencies

906
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:45,100
to conduct urgent safety

907
00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:47,100
reviews of these corridors. We

908
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:48,100
understand that the government

909
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:50,401
cannot prevent every accident,

910
00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:52,100
but when the same roads and

911
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:53,100
even these same intersections

912
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:54,100
repeatedly appear in fatal and

913
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:55,100
serious collisions.

914
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:56,100
>> 30 seconds.

915
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:58,100
>> We have a responsibility to

916
00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:01,100
ask whether we could do more.

917
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:04,601
I'm asking that you guys can

918
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:08,100
tell me what we do to have these

919
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:11,100
places considered and not just

920
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:14,100
passed off to the next person.

921
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:17,100
Whether it's just speed bumps or

922
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:19,100
anything to help these areas

923
00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:21,401
to prevent more fatalities.

924
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:24,100
>> Thank you very much

925
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:25,100
for your comment.

926
00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:27,100
>> Thank you.

927
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:28,100
>> We will now move on

928
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:29,100
to any board member comments

929
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:32,100
on consent. Right, I'd like

930
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:34,100
to speak on number 21. As we

931
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:35,100
consider this item today,

932
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:37,100
I don't want to pull it. I just

933
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:38,100
have a comment to make. I'd

934
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:39,100
like to express several

935
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:40,100
concerns that I currently have

936
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:41,100
about moving forward

937
00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:42,100
with this project. While the

938
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:43,100
proposed $11 million investment

939
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:45,100
would help advance the SB

940
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:47,100
Hope Campus, I believe that we

941
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:49,100
must proceed with caution

942
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:51,100
on that. My priority,

943
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:52,100
whether this project or any

944
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:53,100
other, is to ensure that any

945
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:55,100
investment is made both

946
00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:57,100
sustainable and effective. I

947
00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:58,100
would like to urge the county

948
00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:00,100
staff and our city partners

949
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:01,100
to move carefully and

950
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:02,100
diligently

951
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:03,100
in recognizing that the success

952
00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:05,100
of this project depends on a

953
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:07,100
strong ongoing coordination,

954
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:09,100
not only with the City of San

955
00:37:09,100 --> 00:37:10,100
Bernardino, but also

956
00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:12,100
with our other cities who may

957
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:13,100
be involved. It is critical

958
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:14,100
that everybody remains closely

959
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:16,100
aligned throughout this process

960
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:17,100
to maximize the impact

961
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:19,100
of our investment and to avoid

962
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:21,100
unintended consequences.

963
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:22,100
With this level

964
00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:23,100
of investment,

965
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:24,100
I expect our partnership to

966
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:25,100
deliver a robust coordination,

967
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:26,100
long-term sustainability,

968
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:28,100
and measurable outcomes. Our

969
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:29,100
team must work together to

970
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:30,100
ensure that the campus site is

971
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:32,100
safe, well-managed,

972
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:33,100
and focused

973
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:34,100
on meaningful results

974
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:35,100
from the outset. Ultimately, I

975
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:37,100
believe this project can only

976
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:38,100
succeed if everybody involved

977
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:40,100
is committed

978
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:41,100
to careful planning,

979
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:42,100
transparency,

980
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:43,100
and collaboration.

981
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:44,100
By prioritizing these values,

982
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:45,100
we can help build a facility

983
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:46,100
that not only addresses

984
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:48,100
immediate needs but also

985
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:49,100
supports lasting progress for

986
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:50,100
individuals and the broader

987
00:37:50,100 --> 00:37:51,100
community. I want to stress

988
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:52,100
that the county's support

989
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:54,100
of this project is contingent

990
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:56,100
on seeing a clear path forward

991
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:57,100
towards sustainability and

992
00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:59,100
effectiveness and knowing that

993
00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:00,100
the city and other partners are

994
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:01,100
equally invested

995
00:38:01,100 --> 00:38:04,100
in these goals. Thank you. I

996
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:06,100
will entertain a motion. I have

997
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:08,100
a motion by Vice Chair,

998
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:09,100
seconded by Supervisor

999
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:10,100
Hagman. All those

1000
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:11,100
in favor?

1001
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:12,100
Aye.

1002
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:13,100
Any opposed? Any

1003
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:14,100
abstentions?

1004
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:15,100
>> Thank you, Madam Chair.

1005
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:16,100
With that, the consent calendar

1006
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:17,100
passes unanimously

1007
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:18,100
with number 5 being deferred.

1008
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:19,100
>> Thank you very much. We now

1009
00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:21,100
move on to our deferred item.

1010
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:22,100
Item number 5 is this morning

1011
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:24,100
by our Department of Adults and

1012
00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:25,100
Aging Services. Would you

1013
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:26,100
like a presentation,

1014
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:27,100
Supervisor?

1015
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:29,100
>> No, actually, I would, here

1016
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:31,100
would be my first ask. I'd ask

1017
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:32,100
if we could table the item to

1018
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:33,100
the next agendized meeting so I

1019
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:34,100
could actually sit

1020
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:36,100
with staff and work

1021
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:37,100
out the issue that I have

1022
00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:38,100
with it. Or we can just go

1023
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:40,100
on record with my issues.

1024
00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:41,100
>> If you want to do that,

1025
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:42,100
you'd need

1026
00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:43,100
to make a motion.

1027
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:44,100
>> I'd like to make a motion

1028
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:45,100
that we table the item

1029
00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:46,100
to the next meeting,

1030
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:47,100
so I have time to work

1031
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:48,100
on the issues that I have with

1032
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:49,100
the staff directly.

1033
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:51,100
>> I'll second that.

1034
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:52,100
>> Yes.

1035
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:53,100
>> Any public comment

1036
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:54,100
on this item?

1037
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:55,100
>> No, ma'am.

1038
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:56,100
>> All right.

1039
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:57,100
>> Seeing none,

1040
00:38:57,100 --> 00:38:58,100
I have a motion and a second.

1041
00:38:58,100 --> 00:38:59,100
All those in favor?

1042
00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:00,100
>> Aye.

1043
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:01,100
>> Any opposed? Any

1044
00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:02,100
abstentions?

1045
00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:03,100
>> Thank you, Madam Chair.

1046
00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:04,100
With that, number 5 is

1047
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:05,100
continued to September 1st.

1048
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:06,100
>> Thank you very much. And

1049
00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:07,100
with that, we will move on to

1050
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:08,100
our discussion calendar today.

1051
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:09,100
Our first item is item number

1052
00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:11,100
75, which is a public hearing

1053
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:13,100
and bond issuance approval

1054
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:15,100
of the California Municipal

1055
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:17,100
Finance Authority and

1056
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:19,100
tax-exempt financing being

1057
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:21,100
presented by Robert Saldana.

1058
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:23,100
We'll open the public hearing

1059
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:25,401
and welcome your presentation.

1060
00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:30,100
>> Thank you and good morning,

1061
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:31,100
Chair Rowe and members

1062
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:32,100
of the board. Robert Saldana,

1063
00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:34,100
Deputy Executive

1064
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:35,100
Officer, County Finance. The

1065
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:37,100
purpose of this hearing is to

1066
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:38,100
grant the public an opportunity

1067
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:39,100
to comment

1068
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:40,100
on the proposed issuance

1069
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:42,100
of tax-exempt financing in a

1070
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:43,100
maximum principal amount not

1071
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:45,100
to exceed $31,440,000. The

1072
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:49,100
proceeds of these bonds issued

1073
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:50,100
through the California

1074
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:51,100
Municipal Finance Authority

1075
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:52,100
will be loaned to Augusta

1076
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:53,100
Communities, a nonprofit

1077
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:54,100
organization, and used to

1078
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:55,100
finance the acquisition and

1079
00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:57,100
improvement of 3 mobile home

1080
00:39:57,100 --> 00:39:58,100
parks located within San

1081
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:00,100
Bernardino County.

1082
00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:01,100
Specifically in the cities of

1083
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:02,100
Victorville, Rialto, and

1084
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:04,100
Yucaipa. This hearing is

1085
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:05,100
required pursuant

1086
00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:07,100
to the requirements of Section

1087
00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:08,100
147 of the Internal Revenue

1088
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:10,100
Code of 1986, as amended,

1089
00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:12,100
and the Tax Equity and Fiscal

1090
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:14,100
Responsibility Act of 1982,

1091
00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:15,100
commonly referred to as TEFRA.

1092
00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:17,100
Under TEFRA law,

1093
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:18,100
a public hearing is

1094
00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:19,100
to be conducted by a

1095
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:20,100
governmental entity that has

1096
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:21,100
jurisdiction over the area

1097
00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:23,100
where the projects are located.

1098
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:24,100
In this case,

1099
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:25,100
as the projects span multiple

1100
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:27,100
cities, Augusta Communities

1101
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:28,100
approached the county

1102
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:29,100
to host a hearing covering all

1103
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:31,401
3 projects. Please note there

1104
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:38,100
is no county financial

1105
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:39,100
obligation or liability arising

1106
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:40,100
from any bond issuance

1107
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:42,100
associated with this action.

1108
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:44,100
Additionally, as this action

1109
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:45,100
and all underlying details are

1110
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:46,100
the responsibility of Augusta

1111
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:48,100
Communities and CFMA,

1112
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:49,100
representatives are here to

1113
00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:51,100
discuss should there be any

1114
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:52,100
questions. This concludes my

1115
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:53,100
presentation, Chair.

1116
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:54,100
>> Thank you very much. I do

1117
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:55,100
have one request to speak

1118
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:57,100
on this by Denise June

1119
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:59,100
Shearer.

1120
00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:04,100
>> Madam Chair, the caller is

1121
00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:06,100
not connected.

1122
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:08,100
>> Do we have connection?

1123
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:09,100
>> Yes, we do.

1124
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:11,401
>> Okay, she has dropped.

1125
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:13,100
>> She did. She registered.

1126
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:14,100
>> She signed up

1127
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:15,100
but didn't call in.

1128
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:17,100
>> Okay, very well. All right,

1129
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:18,100
are there any other requests

1130
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:20,100
to speak that I don't see?

1131
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:21,100
>> No, ma'am.

1132
00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:23,100
>> Seeing none,

1133
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:25,100
I will entertain any questions

1134
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:26,100
from board members. I'm going

1135
00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:27,100
to close the public hearing and

1136
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:29,100
entertain a motion. Thank you,

1137
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:30,100
Supervisor Hagman,

1138
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:31,100
for the motion and Vice Chair

1139
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:32,100
for the second. All those

1140
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:33,100
in favor?

1141
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:34,100
Aye.

1142
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:35,100
Any opposed? Any

1143
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:36,100
abstentions?

1144
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:37,100
>> Thank you, Madam Chair.

1145
00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:38,100
With that, Item 75 passes

1146
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:39,100
unanimously.

1147
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:41,100
>> Very well. Item number 76 is

1148
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:42,100
our Surface Mining and

1149
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:43,100
Reclamation Ordinance being

1150
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:45,100
presented this morning by

1151
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:46,100
Paul Gonzalez. And as a

1152
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:47,100
reminder, as I announced

1153
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:48,100
at the top of the meeting,

1154
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:49,100
because we have so many

1155
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:50,100
speakers signed up

1156
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:51,100
on this item,

1157
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:52,100
public comment will be limited

1158
00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:53,100
to 2 minutes. 2 minutes

1159
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:54,100
for each speaker,

1160
00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:55,100
both remote and in person. I

1161
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:57,100
will open the public hearing.

1162
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,100
Good morning, gentlemen.

1163
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:05,100
>> Good morning, Chair Rowe and

1164
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:06,100
County Supervisors. I'm Paul

1165
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:08,100
Gonzalez, planning chief.

1166
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:09,100
Before you this morning is a

1167
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:11,100
proposed update to the county's

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00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:13,100
mining regulation,

1169
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:15,100
regulation ordinance. The

1170
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:16,100
mining ordinance was last

1171
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:18,401
updated in 2007. The update

1172
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:20,100
ordinance provides greater

1173
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:21,100
clarity and accountability

1174
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:23,100
for both mine operators and the

1175
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:25,100
County of San Bernardino while

1176
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:27,100
bringing the local ordinance up

1177
00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:30,100
to the current Surface Mining

1178
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:31,100
and Reclamation Act, also known

1179
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:33,401
as SMARA. The ordinance

1180
00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:36,100
strengthens requirements for

1181
00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:37,100
financial assurance and

1182
00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:39,100
reclamation cost estimates,

1183
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:40,100
establishes clear

1184
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:41,100
responsibilities and

1185
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:42,100
procedures, and expands

1186
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:43,100
on enforcement tools for the

1187
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:45,401
County of San Bernardino.

1188
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:47,100
With that said, I'd like

1189
00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:49,100
to introduce Chief Geologist

1190
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:50,100
Dan Walsh, who will provide you

1191
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:52,100
a presentation.

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00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:54,100
>> Morning, Chair Rowe,

1193
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:56,100
Supervisors. As Paul mentioned,

1194
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:57,100
I'm Dan Walsh. I'm the Chief

1195
00:42:57,100 --> 00:42:59,100
Engineering Geologist. I lead

1196
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:00,100
the Mining and Geology

1197
00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:02,100
Division under Land Use

1198
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:03,100
Services, and this morning I'll

1199
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:05,401
be presenting a proposal

1200
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:07,100
to amend Title 8 of the

1201
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:09,100
Development Code related to the

1202
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:10,100
Surface Mining and Reclamation

1203
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:12,100
Ordinance.

1204
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:18,100
The amendment would repeal and

1205
00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:20,401
reenact Chapter 88.03 of the

1206
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:23,100
Development Code to ensure our

1207
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:25,100
local regulations remain

1208
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:26,100
in compliance

1209
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:27,100
with the changes made

1210
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:28,100
to state law, specifically the

1211
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:30,100
statutes and regulations

1212
00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:31,100
defined in the Surface Mining

1213
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:34,100
and Reclamation Act, or SMARA.

1214
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:35,100
Changes include content updates

1215
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:37,100
to align with SMARA,

1216
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:38,100
through removal

1217
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:39,100
of outdated sections, addition

1218
00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:41,100
of new sections, and revisions

1219
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:44,100
of existing sections. SMARA is

1220
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:49,100
a statewide law enacted in

1221
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:51,401
1975 to regulate surface mining

1222
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:53,100
and ensure that mined lands are

1223
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:55,100
properly reclaimed to a safe,

1224
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:57,100
stable, and usable condition

1225
00:43:57,100 --> 00:43:59,100
while minimizing environmental

1226
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:01,100
impacts. It also requires lead

1227
00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:02,100
agencies to adopt and implement

1228
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:04,100
compliant local ordinances

1229
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:06,100
governing mining permits,

1230
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:08,100
reclamation plans, and

1231
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:10,100
financial assurances. SMARA has

1232
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:12,100
been revised multiple times

1233
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:14,100
since 1975,

1234
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:16,100
with substantive revisions in

1235
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:18,401
2017. The State Mining and

1236
00:44:19,100 --> 00:44:20,100
Geology Board oversees and

1237
00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:22,401
certifies the local ordinances.

1238
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:27,100
The county surface mining

1239
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:29,100
ordinance was adopted in 1999

1240
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:30,100
and certified by the State

1241
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:31,100
Mining and Geology Board on

1242
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:33,100
November 10th, 1999. The

1243
00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:35,100
surface mining ordinance has

1244
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:37,100
not been significantly revised

1245
00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:38,100
since the ordinance was

1246
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:40,100
originally adopted and is not

1247
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:41,100
up to date. As lead agency

1248
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:43,100
for permitting and regulation

1249
00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:45,100
of surface mining and

1250
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:46,100
reclamation operations within

1251
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:48,100
the unincorporated county, the

1252
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:49,100
county regulates these

1253
00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:50,100
operations in accordance

1254
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:52,100
with SMARA. This development

1255
00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:54,100
code amendment would bring the

1256
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:55,100
county code back

1257
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:57,100
into alignment with current

1258
00:44:57,100 --> 00:44:58,100
statutes and regulations

1259
00:44:58,100 --> 00:45:00,100
provided in SMARA. There are

1260
00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:01,100
over 85 surface mines currently

1261
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:04,100
in operation in the county.

1262
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:09,100
This ordinance update

1263
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:10,100
represents a comprehensive

1264
00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:11,100
modernization of Chapter

1265
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:13,100
88.03. It expands procedures,

1266
00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:16,100
strengthens enforcement, and

1267
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:17,100
aligns the county's regulations

1268
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:19,100
with current state

1269
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:20,100
requirements. Overall, it

1270
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:21,100
updates the framework by adding

1271
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:23,100
new sections and replacing

1272
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:25,100
outdated provisions.

1273
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:29,100
To clarify, this ordinance

1274
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:31,100
update does not place new

1275
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:32,100
limits on the county's lead

1276
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:34,100
agency authority under SMARA,

1277
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:35,100
nor does it relax current

1278
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:37,100
required standards

1279
00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:38,100
under state law. Furthermore,

1280
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:40,100
this amendment does not reduce

1281
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:42,100
the county's ability to enforce

1282
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:43,100
violations or maintain adequate

1283
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:45,100
financial assurances

1284
00:45:45,100 --> 00:45:46,100
for reclamation, but rather it

1285
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:48,100
codifies the more structured

1286
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:50,100
processes currently being used

1287
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:53,100
by county staff. Several core

1288
00:45:57,100 --> 00:45:58,100
sections have been

1289
00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:00,100
significantly revised to

1290
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:01,100
provide clearer procedures and

1291
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:03,100
stronger oversight. The vested

1292
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:05,100
rights section now includes a

1293
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:07,100
detailed determination process

1294
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:09,100
which includes application

1295
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:10,100
requirements, evidentiary

1296
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:11,100
standards, and formal hearing

1297
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:13,100
and board decision processes.

1298
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:15,100
Application review has also

1299
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:17,100
been expanded to include

1300
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:19,100
specific submittal requirements

1301
00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:20,100
defined timelines,

1302
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:21,100
and formal coordination

1303
00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:22,100
with the State Division of

1304
00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:24,100
Mine Reclamation.

1305
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:25,100
In addition, financial

1306
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:26,100
assurance requirements now

1307
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:28,100
include more rigorous cost

1308
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:29,100
estimate methodologies,

1309
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:31,100
contingency calculations,

1310
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:32,100
and provisions

1311
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:34,100
for release or forfeiture.

1312
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:36,100
Finally, enforcement has been

1313
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:37,100
transformed into a

1314
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:39,100
comprehensive framework that

1315
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:40,100
includes notices

1316
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:41,100
of violation, orders

1317
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:43,100
to comply, administrative

1318
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:45,100
penalties, appeals,

1319
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:46,100
and remedies for public health

1320
00:46:46,100 --> 00:46:48,401
and safety concerns. The

1321
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:53,100
purpose of the ordinance has

1322
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:54,100
been broadened to reflect

1323
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:56,100
current statewide priorities,

1324
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:57,100
including supporting

1325
00:46:57,100 --> 00:46:58,100
infrastructure needs and

1326
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:00,100
reducing transportation-related

1327
00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:02,100
emissions

1328
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:04,100
from aggregate hauling. The

1329
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:06,100
ordinance also strengthens

1330
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:07,100
mineral resource protection

1331
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:08,100
by expanding policies related

1332
00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:10,100
to mineral resource zones and

1333
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:11,100
incorporating updated mapping

1334
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:13,100
requirements. These policies

1335
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:15,100
are more directly integrated

1336
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:17,100
with the county's general plan

1337
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:19,100
to ensure long-term resource

1338
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:20,100
availability is considered

1339
00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:22,100
in land use decisions.

1340
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:23,100
Overall, this shifts the

1341
00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:24,100
ordinance

1342
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:25,100
from primarily regulatory to

1343
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:26,100
more policy-driven and

1344
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:28,401
forward-looking. A key update

1345
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:34,100
is the automatic incorporation

1346
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:35,100
of future amendments

1347
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:36,100
to SMARA, which ensures the

1348
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:37,100
county's ordinance remains

1349
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:38,100
current without needing

1350
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:40,100
frequent local updates. The

1351
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:41,100
ordinance also strengthens

1352
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:42,100
coordination

1353
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:43,100
with state agencies,

1354
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:44,100
including the Division of

1355
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:46,100
Mine Reclamation and the

1356
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:47,100
State Mining and Geology

1357
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:48,100
Board, particularly during

1358
00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:50,100
application review and annual

1359
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:52,100
reporting. Reclamation

1360
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:54,100
standards have been updated to

1361
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:55,100
reflect current state

1362
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:56,100
regulations,

1363
00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:57,100
including clear requirements

1364
00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:58,100
for phased reclamation and

1365
00:47:58,100 --> 00:48:00,100
reclamation success criteria.

1366
00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:02,100
These changes ensure consistent

1367
00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:04,100
implementation of state law

1368
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:07,601
at the local level. This update

1369
00:48:09,100 --> 00:48:10,100
provides important

1370
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:12,100
clarifications to improve

1371
00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:13,100
day-to-day administration

1372
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:14,100
of the ordinance.

1373
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:16,100
Applicability has been expanded

1374
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:17,100
to address federal lands and

1375
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:18,100
situations involving multiple

1376
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:20,100
agencies, reducing

1377
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:22,100
jurisdictional ambiguity.

1378
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:24,100
For example, Section 88.03.040

1379
00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:28,100
Subsection B was added

1380
00:48:28,100 --> 00:48:30,100
to codify the collaboration

1381
00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:31,100
between the county and federal

1382
00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:33,100
agencies. to provide joint

1383
00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:34,100
environmental review

1384
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:36,100
over proposed mine operations

1385
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:39,100
on federal lands. This section

1386
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:41,100
references the 1992 Memorandum

1387
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:43,100
of Understanding between the

1388
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:45,100
state and federal agencies that

1389
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:46,100
confirms existing permitting

1390
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:48,100
and reclamation authority while

1391
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:50,100
affording both NEPA and CEQA

1392
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:51,100
environmental review for the

1393
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:53,100
entire proposed mining

1394
00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:54,100
operation. While the federal

1395
00:48:54,100 --> 00:48:56,100
agency has always had permit

1396
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:58,100
approval authority, The county

1397
00:48:58,100 --> 00:48:59,100
will continue

1398
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:01,100
to provide CEQA review for the

1399
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:02,100
entire project and has approval

1400
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:03,100
authority

1401
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:05,100
over the reclamation plan. The

1402
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:07,100
permitting, reclamation plan,

1403
00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:08,100
and vested rights approval

1404
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:09,100
framework has been expanded to

1405
00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:11,100
better explain how these

1406
00:49:11,100 --> 00:49:12,100
components interact. The

1407
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:14,100
application procedures now

1408
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:15,100
include more detailed submittal

1409
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:17,100
requirements, timelines,

1410
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:18,100
written responses

1411
00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:19,100
to state comments,

1412
00:49:19,100 --> 00:49:21,100
and recordation requirements.

1413
00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:22,100
In addition, interim management

1414
00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:24,100
plan requirements for idle

1415
00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:25,100
mines have been further

1416
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:27,100
detailed. Including renewal

1417
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:28,100
timelines and standards

1418
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:30,100
for determining abandonment.

1419
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:36,100
Some outdated sections have

1420
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:37,100
been reorganized or replaced

1421
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:39,100
to reflect the new structure.

1422
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:40,100
For example, the prior

1423
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:42,100
application and violation

1424
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:43,100
sections have been replaced

1425
00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:45,100
with more comprehensive updated

1426
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:46,100
frameworks. These changes

1427
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:48,100
reduce redundancy,

1428
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:49,100
improve overall organization,

1429
00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:51,100
and make the ordinance more

1430
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:52,100
user-friendly

1431
00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:55,100
for both staff and applicants.

1432
00:49:57,100 --> 00:49:58,100
The amendment has been found

1433
00:49:58,100 --> 00:49:59,100
to be consistent with the

1434
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:01,100
countywide policy plan as it

1435
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:02,100
meets various goals and

1436
00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:04,100
policies designed to ensure the

1437
00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:05,100
continued availability of

1438
00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:07,100
important mineral resources

1439
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:08,100
while regulating surface mining

1440
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:09,100
operations as required

1441
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:11,401
by SMARA. The proposed

1442
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:17,100
amendment was determined

1443
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:18,100
by the county to be exempt

1444
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:20,100
under CEQA pursuant to Section

1445
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:22,401
15061 subsection B3 of Title 14

1446
00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:24,100
of the California Code of

1447
00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:26,100
Regulations because the

1448
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:27,100
ordinance is limited

1449
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:28,100
to an administrative update of

1450
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:30,100
an existing surface mining and

1451
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:31,100
land reclamation ordinance and

1452
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:33,100
will not directly or indirectly

1453
00:50:33,100 --> 00:50:35,100
authorize activity that may

1454
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:36,100
have a significant effect

1455
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:38,100
on the environment.

1456
00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:43,100
In accordance

1457
00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:44,100
with county code, notices

1458
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:46,100
of the Planning Commission and

1459
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:47,100
Board of Supervisors public

1460
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:48,100
hearings were published

1461
00:50:48,100 --> 00:50:49,100
in the San Bernardino Sun

1462
00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:50,100
newspaper. Which reaches a

1463
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:52,100
countywide audience.

1464
00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:54,100
Publication dates were June

1465
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:56,100
29th and August 7th, 2026,

1466
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:58,100
respectively. As a courtesy,

1467
00:50:58,100 --> 00:50:59,100
the draft ordinance was made

1468
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:01,100
available to the public online

1469
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:02,100
from the Land Use Services

1470
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:04,100
website. 98 written comments

1471
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:06,100
were received prior to the

1472
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:07,100
Planning Commission hearing,

1473
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:09,100
and another 8 comments were

1474
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:10,100
received prior to the Board

1475
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:12,100
of Supervisors meeting. 33

1476
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:14,100
people spoke in opposition

1477
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:15,100
to the ordinance update

1478
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:16,100
at the Planning Commission

1479
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:18,100
hearing. The public comments

1480
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:19,100
expressed concern regarding

1481
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:21,100
review required for projects

1482
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:23,100
on federal lands, what projects

1483
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:24,100
would be considered

1484
00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:25,100
non-substantial deviations

1485
00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:26,100
which would not require public

1486
00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:28,100
notification, why the ordinance

1487
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:31,100
update was exempt from CEQA,

1488
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:32,100
and expressed concerns related

1489
00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:34,100
to pending mining projects

1490
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:35,100
which are not associated

1491
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:37,401
with this ordinance update.

1492
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:43,100
That concludes my presentation.

1493
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:44,100
And I'm available

1494
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:46,100
for any questions you may have.

1495
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:47,100
>> Thank you very much. We're

1496
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:48,100
going to move to our remote

1497
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:50,100
speakers first and then

1498
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:51,100
speakers in chambers,

1499
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:52,100
and then we'll go to board

1500
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:54,401
member comments and questions.

1501
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:58,100
Our first request to speak

1502
00:51:58,100 --> 00:52:00,100
remotely that we have is

1503
00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:02,100
Aaron Gatlin, followed by

1504
00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:03,100
Bonnie Hawthorne, and then

1505
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:05,100
Jared Nijmark.

1506
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:10,100
>> Good morning. My name is

1507
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:11,100
Erin Gatlin. I'm a resident

1508
00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:12,100
of Yucca Valley. I'm here

1509
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:14,100
to express my opposition

1510
00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:16,401
to agenda item 76, project

1511
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:19,100
number EMISIC 20260029. The

1512
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:25,100
proposed rewrite of the chapter

1513
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:28,100
as described most recently

1514
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:32,201
by your, by the county staff is

1515
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:36,100
significantly different than I

1516
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:39,100
think most of us read the

1517
00:52:39,100 --> 00:52:42,601
proposed changes. And we have a

1518
00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:45,100
lot of concerns about them

1519
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:47,401
because they were written

1520
00:52:48,100 --> 00:52:49,100
with industry

1521
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:51,100
without public input. And when

1522
00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:54,100
public input was asked for,

1523
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:56,100
they were dismissed as saying

1524
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:57,100
we just didn't understand what

1525
00:52:57,100 --> 00:52:59,100
was going on. The issue is we

1526
00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:01,100
do understand,

1527
00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:02,100
we understand the implications

1528
00:53:02,100 --> 00:53:03,100
of the changes. The county's

1529
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:04,100
been trying

1530
00:53:04,100 --> 00:53:05,100
to downplay as simply coming

1531
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:07,100
into compliance

1532
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:08,100
with state standards. If the

1533
00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:10,100
modifications are approved, it

1534
00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:11,100
means that just as federal

1535
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:12,100
agencies are making

1536
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:14,100
unprecedented changes to the

1537
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:15,100
National Environmental Policy

1538
00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:18,100
Act review process to review,

1539
00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:21,100
to narrow the review and shut

1540
00:53:21,100 --> 00:53:22,100
out public comment.

1541
00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:24,100
The county is proposing

1542
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:25,100
to walk away from their local

1543
00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:27,100
permitting responsibilities.

1544
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:30,100
And then you have the proposed

1545
00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:32,100
Music Valley Mine, which is

1546
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:35,100
actually related to the matter

1547
00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:38,100
before you because it's an

1548
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:40,100
example of case study of

1549
00:53:40,100 --> 00:53:41,100
potentially the county walking.

1550
00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:42,100
>> 30 seconds.

1551
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:43,100
>> Away from its

1552
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:45,100
responsibility. I urge the

1553
00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:47,100
county to vote no on the

1554
00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:49,100
proposed chapter revisions, and

1555
00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:51,100
at the very least remove text

1556
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:54,100
from lines 19 to 21 and lines

1557
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:57,100
24 through 26. Thank you.

1558
00:53:57,100 --> 00:53:58,100
>> Thank you very much, Bonnie

1559
00:53:58,100 --> 00:53:59,100
Hawthorne, and then Jared

1560
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:01,401
Nymark and Liz Stevens.

1561
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:08,100
>> Good morning. My name is

1562
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:09,100
Bonnie Hawthorne. I'm a

1563
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:12,100
resident of Joshua Tree, and

1564
00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:13,100
I'm calling in

1565
00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:15,401
to oppose project listed

1566
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:19,100
in item number 76. I urge you

1567
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:21,100
to vote no and to encourage

1568
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:23,100
your fellow board members

1569
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:25,100
to do the same. This proposed

1570
00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:27,401
rewrite of Chapter 88.03 would

1571
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:32,100
surrender a critical piece of

1572
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:34,100
San Bernardino County's local

1573
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:35,100
oversight of surface mining

1574
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:37,100
on federal land.

1575
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:38,100
Under the new Section

1576
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:40,401
88.03.040B a mining operation

1577
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:46,100
with federal authorization

1578
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:47,100
could proceed

1579
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:50,100
without a county permit. This

1580
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:51,100
is a bigger deal than is being

1581
00:54:51,100 --> 00:54:53,100
acknowledged. A county permit

1582
00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:54,100
provides an opportunity

1583
00:54:54,100 --> 00:54:56,100
for local review, public

1584
00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:57,100
scrutiny, and environmental

1585
00:54:57,100 --> 00:54:59,100
protections that our

1586
00:54:59,100 --> 00:55:00,100
communities should not have to

1587
00:55:00,100 --> 00:55:02,100
surrender simply because a

1588
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:03,100
federal agency has approved a

1589
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:05,100
project. The county should not

1590
00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:06,100
be handing

1591
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:07,100
over its responsibility to

1592
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:09,100
protect the people and

1593
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:10,100
landscape of San Bernardino

1594
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:12,401
County. An open, open-pit

1595
00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:15,100
mining operation is

1596
00:55:15,100 --> 00:55:17,100
fundamentally inconsistent with

1597
00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:19,100
our status as a national park

1598
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:21,100
gateway community. A

1599
00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:23,100
designation whose beauty and

1600
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:24,100
significance I know you, Dawn

1601
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:26,100
Rowe, personally appreciate.

1602
00:55:27,100 --> 00:55:29,100
I'm assuming you've been

1603
00:55:29,100 --> 00:55:30,100
to the sad little town of

1604
00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:33,100
Boron in Kern County. The mine

1605
00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:35,100
there, with its giant Star

1606
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:38,100
Wars trucks and constant sounds

1607
00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:39,100
of excavation, make a.

1608
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:41,100
>> 30 seconds.

1609
00:55:41,100 --> 00:55:43,401
>> Nearly, what's that? I

1610
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:45,100
didn't hear what you said.

1611
00:55:45,100 --> 00:55:47,100
>> 30 seconds left.

1612
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:50,100
>> Okay. All I have to say is

1613
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:52,100
the only time you don't have an

1614
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:54,100
open pit mine is

1615
00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:56,100
before you approve one.

1616
00:55:56,100 --> 00:55:57,100
>> Thank you.

1617
00:55:57,100 --> 00:55:59,100
>> Thank you. Jared Nymark,

1618
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:00,100
followed by Liz Stevens, and

1619
00:56:00,100 --> 00:56:02,100
then Lisa Belenky.

1620
00:56:21,100 --> 00:56:22,100
>> Good morning, Chair, Vice

1621
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:24,100
Chair, and board. My name is

1622
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:25,100
Jared Naimark. I'm the Western

1623
00:56:25,100 --> 00:56:27,100
Mining Senior Manager at

1624
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:28,100
Earthworks, a national

1625
00:56:28,100 --> 00:56:30,100
nonprofit organization

1626
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:31,100
dedicated to protecting

1627
00:56:31,100 --> 00:56:33,401
communities and the environment

1628
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:36,100
from the adverse impacts

1629
00:56:36,100 --> 00:56:37,100
of mining, including here in

1630
00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:38,100
the county. I'm commenting

1631
00:56:38,100 --> 00:56:39,100
today to respectfully request

1632
00:56:39,100 --> 00:56:41,100
that you deny the proposed

1633
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:42,100
mining ordinance update. until

1634
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:43,100
reasonable revisions are made

1635
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:46,100
to clarify the language. As we

1636
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:47,100
wrote in our comment letter,

1637
00:56:47,100 --> 00:56:48,100
we continue to have serious

1638
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:50,401
concerns that the section

1639
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:52,100
regarding applicability on

1640
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:54,100
federal lands is problematic

1641
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:55,100
and will lead to confusion

1642
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:56,100
for applicants, agencies,

1643
00:56:56,100 --> 00:56:58,100
and the public. In response

1644
00:56:58,100 --> 00:56:59,100
to our comments, staff suggests

1645
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:00,100
that the ordinance

1646
00:57:00,100 --> 00:57:02,100
distinguishes between a permit

1647
00:57:02,100 --> 00:57:04,100
for land use entitlement and

1648
00:57:04,100 --> 00:57:05,100
reclamation plan approval,

1649
00:57:05,100 --> 00:57:06,100
but this is not at all clear

1650
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:08,100
from plain understanding

1651
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:10,100
of the text. Because permit can

1652
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:11,100
mean any approval

1653
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:12,100
by a lead agency,

1654
00:57:12,100 --> 00:57:13,100
this could be interpreted

1655
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:15,100
by applicants to mean federal

1656
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:17,100
approval is all that they need

1657
00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:18,100
to move forward. It would be

1658
00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:20,100
extremely easy

1659
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:21,100
to fix this language

1660
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:23,100
for clarity

1661
00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:24,100
for all stakeholders. This

1662
00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:26,100
section is also problematic

1663
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:27,100
because it relies

1664
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:28,100
on an outdated MOU between

1665
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:30,100
California and the federal

1666
00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:32,100
government. Staff suggests that

1667
00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:33,100
this simply allows the county

1668
00:57:33,100 --> 00:57:34,100
flexibility

1669
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:35,100
to avoid duplicating work

1670
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:37,100
on environmental review. But

1671
00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:38,100
because NEPA and CEQA are so

1672
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:39,100
different due

1673
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:40,100
to recent changes made

1674
00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:41,100
to NEPA, it means that federal

1675
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:43,100
documents are highly unlikely

1676
00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:45,100
to fulfill CEQA requirements,

1677
00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:47,100
and the public will have no way

1678
00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:48,100
to understand the basis

1679
00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:50,100
on which, on which the county

1680
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:52,100
made that decision. So again,

1681
00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:53,100
we urge some simple fixes.

1682
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:54,100
>> 30 seconds.

1683
00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:55,100
>> For more clarity

1684
00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:56,100
for all stakeholders.

1685
00:57:56,100 --> 00:57:57,100
I would also like to add

1686
00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:59,100
for the record that this

1687
00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:01,100
section on applicability is

1688
00:58:01,100 --> 00:58:02,100
neither included in the State

1689
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:04,100
Mining and Geology Board's

1690
00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:05,100
model language for its mining

1691
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:06,100
ordinance update, nor

1692
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:07,100
in the language adopted

1693
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:09,100
by the 2 counties that have

1694
00:58:09,100 --> 00:58:10,100
already updated their

1695
00:58:10,100 --> 00:58:12,100
ordinance. It's not necessary,

1696
00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:13,100
and it's not part of the

1697
00:58:13,100 --> 00:58:14,100
standard updates that other

1698
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:16,100
counties have adopted.

1699
00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:17,100
Without revision, this draft

1700
00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:19,100
risks allowing bad actors to

1701
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:20,100
avoid sensible environmental

1702
00:58:20,100 --> 00:58:22,100
regulations that responsible

1703
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:23,100
operators.

1704
00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:24,100
>> That's time.

1705
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:25,100
>> To comply with.

1706
00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:27,100
>> Thank you. Liz Stevens,

1707
00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:29,100
followed by Lisa Belenky, and

1708
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:31,100
then R. Eichhorn.

1709
00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:34,100
>> Hi, thank you, Madam

1710
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:36,100
Chair, and thanks for working

1711
00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:37,100
out the technical difficulties

1712
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:38,100
to have us. It's inspiring

1713
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:39,100
to hear

1714
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:41,100
about the county and how,

1715
00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:42,100
be reminded how large it is,

1716
00:58:42,100 --> 00:58:43,100
but I think we're all here

1717
00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:45,100
to show you some close-up views

1718
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:47,100
of 29. My comments are a lot

1719
00:58:47,100 --> 00:58:49,100
less technical than the others,

1720
00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:51,100
but Bonnie's point about Boron

1721
00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:53,100
is very well taken. Even

1722
00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:55,100
without conservation value

1723
00:58:55,100 --> 00:58:58,100
around this, space this in 29.

1724
00:59:01,100 --> 00:59:02,100
We're in a kind

1725
00:59:02,100 --> 00:59:03,100
of an economic renaissance

1726
00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:05,100
of businesses and home values,

1727
00:59:05,100 --> 00:59:07,100
and the mine,

1728
00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:08,100
surface mine would be the view

1729
00:59:08,100 --> 00:59:10,100
from the east entrance

1730
00:59:10,100 --> 00:59:11,100
to the park. And I don't think

1731
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:12,100
we're aiming for Boron. We have

1732
00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:14,100
a lot of stakeholders that are

1733
00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:16,100
business owners, real estate

1734
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:17,100
agents, and hundreds

1735
00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:18,100
of people showing up

1736
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:21,100
to local meetings to speak to

1737
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:23,100
the very inspiring direction

1738
00:59:23,100 --> 00:59:25,100
that 29 is already headed.

1739
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:27,100
Rather than doubling down

1740
00:59:27,100 --> 00:59:29,100
on industry. So not a

1741
00:59:29,100 --> 00:59:30,100
conservation issue only,

1742
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:32,100
which is vitally important,

1743
00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:34,100
but really about 29 and about

1744
00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:35,000
Wonder Valley as spaces and

1745
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,100
towns and inappropriate places

1746
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:39,100
to introduce the mines,

1747
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:41,100
as it also affects our water

1748
00:59:41,100 --> 00:59:42,100
and watershed, which we haven't

1749
00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:45,100
really touched on. And that's

1750
00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:47,100
all I'd like to contribute.

1751
00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:48,100
Thank you so much

1752
00:59:48,100 --> 00:59:49,100
for voting no

1753
00:59:49,100 --> 00:59:50,100
on the language change. Thank

1754
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:52,100
you.

1755
00:59:52,100 --> 00:59:53,100
>> Thank you very much. Lisa

1756
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:54,100
Belenky, followed by R.

1757
00:59:54,100 --> 00:59:56,100
Eichhorn, and then Nicholas

1758
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:58,100
Graber.

1759
01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:03,100
>> Oh, good morning. This

1760
01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:05,100
is Lisa Belenky with the

1761
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:06,100
Center for Biological

1762
01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:07,100
Diversity.

1763
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:08,100
I'm going to focus my

1764
01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:10,100
comments on one aspect of the

1765
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:13,100
August 16th letter that we,

1766
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:17,100
August 6th letter that we

1767
01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:19,100
submitted to the Board of

1768
01:00:19,100 --> 01:00:20,100
Supervisors, and that is the

1769
01:00:20,100 --> 01:00:22,100
implementation

1770
01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:23,100
of the exemption under

1771
01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:25,100
California Public Resources

1772
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:28,100
Code 2714D by the county.

1773
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:30,100
For many years,

1774
01:00:30,100 --> 01:00:31,100
we have raised this issue with

1775
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:34,100
the county that the county has

1776
01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:36,100
been not focusing

1777
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:38,100
on the actual language of the

1778
01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:39,100
Public Resources Code

1779
01:00:39,100 --> 01:00:41,100
but appears to be focusing

1780
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:42,100
on language that may be

1781
01:00:42,100 --> 01:00:45,100
in the MOU from 1992 and is not

1782
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:47,100
really complying

1783
01:00:47,100 --> 01:00:49,100
with the substance

1784
01:00:49,100 --> 01:00:50,100
of this exemption.

1785
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:52,100
In one example,

1786
01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:53,100
for a project called the Gold

1787
01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:55,100
Discovery Group, which

1788
01:00:55,100 --> 01:00:57,100
disturbed over 10 acres

1789
01:00:58,100 --> 01:00:59,100
of land within the county and

1790
01:00:59,100 --> 01:01:02,100
15 acres overall. There was no

1791
01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:04,100
SMARA compliance by the county

1792
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:06,100
for this project. And the

1793
01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:08,100
statement that was made by this

1794
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:10,100
project itself is that they

1795
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:11,100
were told

1796
01:01:11,100 --> 01:01:13,100
by the county they didn't need

1797
01:01:13,100 --> 01:01:15,100
to comply because each separate

1798
01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:16,100
piece

1799
01:01:16,100 --> 01:01:17,100
of their project was less than

1800
01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:19,100
1 acre. That is the wrong

1801
01:01:19,100 --> 01:01:21,100
interpretation

1802
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:23,100
of the statute clearly. It is

1803
01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:25,100
not the interpretation that the

1804
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:26,100
courts have upheld, and it is

1805
01:01:26,100 --> 01:01:28,100
not,

1806
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:29,100
it is not the plain language

1807
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:31,100
of the statute. We're very

1808
01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:33,100
concerned that this update.

1809
01:01:33,100 --> 01:01:34,100
>> 30 seconds.

1810
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:36,100
>> Regulations is not

1811
01:01:36,100 --> 01:01:38,100
addressing this issue. The

1812
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:40,100
county should amend the

1813
01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:41,100
proposed ordinance

1814
01:01:41,100 --> 01:01:43,100
to clarify this exemption, that

1815
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:45,100
it will only be applied where

1816
01:01:45,100 --> 01:01:47,100
the total disturbed acres are

1817
01:01:47,100 --> 01:01:50,100
less than 1 acre, and that it

1818
01:01:50,100 --> 01:01:51,100
will, the county will rely

1819
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:54,100
on the Public Resources Code

1820
01:01:54,100 --> 01:01:56,100
and not the MOU for this kind

1821
01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:57,100
of compliance. Thank you so

1822
01:01:57,100 --> 01:01:59,100
much for your time.

1823
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:01,100
>> Thank you very much. R.

1824
01:02:01,100 --> 01:02:02,100
Eichorn, followed by Nicholas

1825
01:02:02,100 --> 01:02:04,100
Garver, and then we're going

1826
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:05,100
to bring it back here

1827
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:07,100
in chambers, and we're going

1828
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:10,100
to start with Jay Gammell.

1829
01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:16,100
>> Hi, this is Rachel. I'm a

1830
01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:17,100
resident of 29 Palms,

1831
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:18,100
and I actually have an art

1832
01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:19,100
studio, I guess,

1833
01:02:19,100 --> 01:02:20,100
where this mine is going

1834
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:21,100
to be going, which is great

1835
01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:24,100
for me. I'm coming at less

1836
01:02:24,100 --> 01:02:25,100
of a technical, I do want you

1837
01:02:25,100 --> 01:02:26,100
to vote no, more

1838
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:27,100
from a just sort

1839
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:28,100
of a technical experience

1840
01:02:28,100 --> 01:02:30,100
of working in construction. I'm

1841
01:02:30,100 --> 01:02:31,100
an architectural lighting

1842
01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:32,100
designer. I work

1843
01:02:32,100 --> 01:02:33,100
on large projects,

1844
01:02:33,100 --> 01:02:34,100
large commercial projects. And

1845
01:02:34,100 --> 01:02:36,100
whenever I hear language where

1846
01:02:36,100 --> 01:02:38,100
we're going to remove permits

1847
01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:39,100
or remove reviews,

1848
01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:43,100
I always get a pit in my

1849
01:02:43,100 --> 01:02:44,100
stomach because I know things

1850
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:46,100
are about to go south. Those

1851
01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:47,100
permits and those, those

1852
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:48,100
purposes,

1853
01:02:48,100 --> 01:02:50,100
those processes were set up

1854
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:53,100
for a reason. And I've just

1855
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:55,100
constantly, my job every day,

1856
01:02:55,100 --> 01:02:56,100
I have to deal with contractors

1857
01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:58,100
not doing it correctly,

1858
01:02:58,100 --> 01:02:59,100
not going to code because, and

1859
01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:00,100
for reasons, usually

1860
01:03:00,100 --> 01:03:02,100
to save money,

1861
01:03:02,100 --> 01:03:03,100
or they just didn't want

1862
01:03:03,100 --> 01:03:04,100
to deal with it. And those

1863
01:03:04,100 --> 01:03:05,100
things are there

1864
01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:07,100
to protect us. So, when,

1865
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:08,100
so that's why I would like you

1866
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:09,100
to vote no, anytime where

1867
01:03:09,100 --> 01:03:10,100
they're removing permit

1868
01:03:10,100 --> 01:03:12,100
processes. Any controls that we

1869
01:03:12,100 --> 01:03:13,100
have, the local community is,

1870
01:03:13,100 --> 01:03:15,100
it's just,

1871
01:03:17,100 --> 01:03:18,100
I live this every day. It's

1872
01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:20,100
just dumb. Don't do it.

1873
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:21,100
Vote no.

1874
01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:22,100
Thank you.

1875
01:03:22,100 --> 01:03:23,100
>> Thank you very much.

1876
01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:24,100
Nicholas Garver, followed by

1877
01:03:24,100 --> 01:03:26,100
Jay Gammell, and then

1878
01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:28,100
Kimberly Sizics.

1879
01:03:33,100 --> 01:03:34,100
>> Hi, this is Nicholas

1880
01:03:34,100 --> 01:03:36,100
Graver. I'm speaking to

1881
01:03:36,100 --> 01:03:37,100
wholeheartedly oppose the

1882
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:39,100
adoption of this ordinance.

1883
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:41,100
County and Planning Commission

1884
01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:42,100
staff acknowledged at the

1885
01:03:42,100 --> 01:03:43,100
planning meeting that this was

1886
01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:44,100
our,

1887
01:03:44,100 --> 01:03:45,100
that was our first opportunity

1888
01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:46,100
to comment after years

1889
01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:47,100
of them supposedly working

1890
01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:49,100
on this regulation, I guess

1891
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:51,100
in secret. The county staff

1892
01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:53,100
scoffed at the idea of further

1893
01:03:53,100 --> 01:03:54,100
public comment because in their

1894
01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:55,100
view the community has nothing

1895
01:03:55,100 --> 01:03:57,100
of value to contribute because

1896
01:03:57,100 --> 01:03:58,100
of our lack of expertise. They

1897
01:03:58,100 --> 01:03:59,100
consulted with the mining

1898
01:03:59,100 --> 01:04:01,100
industry professionals because

1899
01:04:01,100 --> 01:04:03,100
they, quote unquote,

1900
01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:04,100
understand mining regulations,

1901
01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:05,100
but refused to consult

1902
01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:06,100
with the public

1903
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:07,100
since apparently, we do not.

1904
01:04:07,100 --> 01:04:08,100
Allow me to present myself as

1905
01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:10,100
an alternative. I'm a

1906
01:04:10,100 --> 01:04:11,100
professional biologist with 10

1907
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:12,100
years

1908
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:13,100
of experience living and

1909
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:14,100
working in San Bernardino

1910
01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:15,100
County. I've worked

1911
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:16,100
on NEPA and CEQA projects,

1912
01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:17,100
and I worked and consulted on

1913
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:18,100
state and federal endangered

1914
01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:19,100
species protections. I worked

1915
01:04:19,100 --> 01:04:21,100
on mine reclamation,

1916
01:04:21,100 --> 01:04:23,100
particularly for the species

1917
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:24,100
in our county that matter most

1918
01:04:24,100 --> 01:04:25,100
to us, like the desert tortoise

1919
01:04:25,100 --> 01:04:28,601
and the Joshua tree. The staff

1920
01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:30,100
characterized this as a joint

1921
01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:31,100
environmental review conducted

1922
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:32,100
by,

1923
01:04:32,100 --> 01:04:34,100
under NEPA and CEQA covered

1924
01:04:34,100 --> 01:04:35,100
by the county. That's not a

1925
01:04:35,100 --> 01:04:36,100
fair characterization

1926
01:04:36,100 --> 01:04:38,100
of what's written in the

1927
01:04:38,100 --> 01:04:40,100
regulations. I've read them. I

1928
01:04:40,100 --> 01:04:42,100
don't know why they would

1929
01:04:42,100 --> 01:04:43,100
characterize that in that way.

1930
01:04:43,100 --> 01:04:45,100
But just wanted

1931
01:04:46,100 --> 01:04:47,100
to call attention to the idea

1932
01:04:47,100 --> 01:04:49,100
that when you institute a

1933
01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:50,100
blanket regulation that a

1934
01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:51,100
certain type of activity does

1935
01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:52,100
not require a permit

1936
01:04:52,100 --> 01:04:54,100
from the county,

1937
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:55,100
you're ceding all control

1938
01:04:55,100 --> 01:04:56,100
to the offenders themselves to

1939
01:04:56,100 --> 01:04:58,100
decide whether their activity

1940
01:04:58,100 --> 01:05:00,100
applies or doesn't apply to the

1941
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:01,100
way that regulation is written.

1942
01:05:01,100 --> 01:05:02,100
So they get to decide,

1943
01:05:02,100 --> 01:05:03,100
not the county. We don't get

1944
01:05:03,100 --> 01:05:04,100
to decide.

1945
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:05,100
>> 30 seconds.

1946
01:05:05,100 --> 01:05:07,100
>> Whether we can require a

1947
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:09,100
permit or not for those kinds

1948
01:05:09,100 --> 01:05:10,100
of things. And more

1949
01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:11,100
fundamentally, there is no such

1950
01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:12,100
thing as a mining project that

1951
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:13,100
takes place only

1952
01:05:13,100 --> 01:05:14,100
on federal land

1953
01:05:14,100 --> 01:05:15,100
in our county. No such thing.

1954
01:05:15,100 --> 01:05:16,100
This is because those mine

1955
01:05:16,100 --> 01:05:17,100
materials must be loaded onto

1956
01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:19,100
trucks that pass through our

1957
01:05:19,100 --> 01:05:20,100
residential communities,

1958
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:21,100
because the dust and emissions

1959
01:05:21,100 --> 01:05:22,100
from those mines will be

1960
01:05:22,100 --> 01:05:23,100
breathed by our children,

1961
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:24,100
because I live close enough

1962
01:05:24,100 --> 01:05:25,100
to the proposed Music Valley

1963
01:05:25,100 --> 01:05:26,100
mine that I know I will hear

1964
01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:27,100
the sounds of mining

1965
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:30,100
from my house. We are a

1966
01:05:30,100 --> 01:05:32,100
community that needs, all

1967
01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:33,100
of our communities across San

1968
01:05:33,100 --> 01:05:34,100
Bernardino County need the.

1969
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:35,100
>> That's time.

1970
01:05:35,100 --> 01:05:36,100
>> The ability to have input

1971
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:37,100
on these regulations.

1972
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:39,100
>> Thank you very much. Jay

1973
01:05:39,100 --> 01:05:41,100
Gamble, followed by Kimberly

1974
01:05:41,100 --> 01:05:43,401
Zeisig, followed by Margaret

1975
01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:46,100
Oystendorp.

1976
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:51,100
>> Good morning. My name is

1977
01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:52,100
Jay Gamble. I'm from

1978
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:53,100
Wrightwood in the 1st

1979
01:05:53,100 --> 01:05:54,100
District. I'm asking you

1980
01:05:54,100 --> 01:05:56,401
to continue item 76. The

1981
01:05:57,100 --> 01:05:58,100
ordinance does strengthen

1982
01:05:58,100 --> 01:06:00,100
enforcement and inspections,

1983
01:06:00,100 --> 01:06:02,100
but 3 areas still need work.

1984
01:06:02,100 --> 01:06:03,100
Vested rights decisions would

1985
01:06:03,100 --> 01:06:04,100
be final within the county with

1986
01:06:04,100 --> 01:06:06,100
no administrative appeal or

1987
01:06:06,100 --> 01:06:08,100
CEQA review. The reclamation

1988
01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:10,100
plan process has 2 disclosure

1989
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:12,100
gaps. The director could

1990
01:06:12,100 --> 01:06:13,100
approve some plan changes

1991
01:06:13,100 --> 01:06:15,100
without public notice,

1992
01:06:15,100 --> 01:06:16,100
as people have mentioned,

1993
01:06:16,100 --> 01:06:18,100
and staff reports wouldn't have

1994
01:06:18,100 --> 01:06:19,100
to include the Division of

1995
01:06:19,100 --> 01:06:20,100
Mine Reclamation's written

1996
01:06:20,100 --> 01:06:22,100
comments. The ordinance also

1997
01:06:22,100 --> 01:06:24,100
lacks a transition rule

1998
01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:25,100
for pending applications. The

1999
01:06:25,100 --> 01:06:26,100
proposed Lone Pine Canyon

2000
01:06:26,100 --> 01:06:27,100
Quarry

2001
01:06:27,100 --> 01:06:28,100
near my home is pending, but

2002
01:06:28,100 --> 01:06:29,100
the ordinance doesn't say what

2003
01:06:29,100 --> 01:06:32,100
chapter would govern it. And

2004
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:34,100
for that, the, the staff report

2005
01:06:34,100 --> 01:06:35,100
says that DMR reviewed and

2006
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:37,100
accepted that plan,

2007
01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:39,100
then describes a December 2025

2008
01:06:39,100 --> 01:06:41,100
letter finding the submission

2009
01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:42,100
incomplete without attaching

2010
01:06:42,100 --> 01:06:44,100
their actual letter. DMR

2011
01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:46,100
confirmed to me last week that

2012
01:06:46,100 --> 01:06:47,100
their incomplete notice is the

2013
01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:49,100
only written comment

2014
01:06:49,100 --> 01:06:50,100
for that project.

2015
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:51,100
Commissioners and the public

2016
01:06:51,100 --> 01:06:53,100
should see DMR's comments

2017
01:06:53,100 --> 01:06:54,100
alongside the county's response

2018
01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:56,100
before the county acts

2019
01:06:56,100 --> 01:06:57,100
on a reclamation plan

2020
01:06:57,100 --> 01:06:58,100
for any project. This is a

2021
01:06:58,100 --> 01:07:01,601
chance to fix that. My written

2022
01:07:02,100 --> 01:07:03,100
comments do go

2023
01:07:03,100 --> 01:07:04,100
into more detail

2024
01:07:04,100 --> 01:07:05,100
on these issues,

2025
01:07:05,100 --> 01:07:06,100
but please consider this item,

2026
01:07:06,100 --> 01:07:08,100
consider them. Continue item

2027
01:07:08,100 --> 01:07:10,100
76 so residents and community

2028
01:07:10,100 --> 01:07:11,100
groups have more time to review

2029
01:07:11,100 --> 01:07:13,100
the ordinance and suggest

2030
01:07:13,100 --> 01:07:14,100
changes. Thank you.

2031
01:07:14,100 --> 01:07:15,100
>> Thank you very much,

2032
01:07:15,100 --> 01:07:17,100
Kimberly Zeisig, followed by

2033
01:07:17,100 --> 01:07:18,100
Margaret Oystendorp and then

2034
01:07:18,100 --> 01:07:20,100
Beth Sheffield.

2035
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:44,100
>> Kimberly Zeisig.

2036
01:07:47,100 --> 01:07:49,100
>> All right, we'll move on

2037
01:07:49,100 --> 01:07:51,100
to Margaret Oystendorp,

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01:07:51,100 --> 01:07:52,100
followed by Beth Sheffield, and

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01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:54,100
then Mark Houston.

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01:07:54,100 --> 01:07:55,100
>> Thank you very much to the

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01:07:55,100 --> 01:07:56,100
Board of Supervisors

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01:07:56,100 --> 01:07:59,100
for hearing us. Those of us who

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01:07:59,100 --> 01:08:01,401
have traveled round trip 200

2044
01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:05,100
miles from Wonder Valley

2045
01:08:05,100 --> 01:08:06,100
to speak to you

2046
01:08:06,100 --> 01:08:07,100
in person today,

2047
01:08:07,100 --> 01:08:08,100
that's the depth

2048
01:08:08,100 --> 01:08:09,100
of our feeling

2049
01:08:09,100 --> 01:08:11,100
about this change

2050
01:08:11,100 --> 01:08:13,100
of authority and permitting

2051
01:08:13,100 --> 01:08:15,100
from the county to the federal

2052
01:08:15,100 --> 01:08:17,100
government. I'm speaking

2053
01:08:17,100 --> 01:08:20,100
in opposition to this change.

2054
01:08:20,100 --> 01:08:22,100
I'm not speaking as an expert

2055
01:08:22,100 --> 01:08:25,100
in geology or anything else.

2056
01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:27,100
I'm speaking as a human being

2057
01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:29,100
who lives in Wonder Valley,

2058
01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:31,100
who moved

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01:08:31,100 --> 01:08:32,100
to this community because

2060
01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:34,100
of health issues, because

2061
01:08:34,100 --> 01:08:36,100
of issues with my lungs. The

2062
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:38,100
2.5 particulate pollutants that

2063
01:08:40,100 --> 01:08:43,100
has been proven to be part

2064
01:08:43,100 --> 01:08:45,100
of what happens in a mining

2065
01:08:45,100 --> 01:08:47,401
project will greatly impact

2066
01:08:48,100 --> 01:08:50,100
people like me. Our community

2067
01:08:50,100 --> 01:08:53,100
has had a long history going

2068
01:08:53,100 --> 01:08:55,100
back to Dr. Lucky and the work

2069
01:08:55,100 --> 01:08:57,100
that he did with veterans

2070
01:08:57,100 --> 01:08:58,100
from World War I coming

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01:08:58,100 --> 01:09:02,100
to the area for our health. We

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01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:04,100
know that the county has put

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01:09:04,100 --> 01:09:07,100
on record about its obligation

2074
01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:10,100
to the health and well-being

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01:09:10,100 --> 01:09:11,100
of your constituents

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01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:14,100
like myself. To pass and

2077
01:09:14,100 --> 01:09:16,100
approve this ordinance will

2078
01:09:16,100 --> 01:09:19,100
basically give over and go

2079
01:09:19,100 --> 01:09:20,100
against what you have put in

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01:09:20,100 --> 01:09:22,100
writing as what you're

2081
01:09:22,100 --> 01:09:24,100
concerned about

2082
01:09:25,100 --> 01:09:26,100
with the health and well-being

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01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:27,100
of the community.

2084
01:09:27,100 --> 01:09:28,100
>> 30 seconds.

2085
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:30,100
>> I also want to say that it's

2086
01:09:30,100 --> 01:09:33,100
been very difficult for those

2087
01:09:33,100 --> 01:09:36,100
of us coming this distance

2088
01:09:36,100 --> 01:09:38,100
to be here. We would like

2089
01:09:38,100 --> 01:09:40,100
to request that White Feather

2090
01:09:40,100 --> 01:09:42,100
Road be again open for us

2091
01:09:42,100 --> 01:09:44,100
to be able to comment

2092
01:09:44,100 --> 01:09:46,100
in person. And we would

2093
01:09:46,100 --> 01:09:47,100
like you very much

2094
01:09:47,100 --> 01:09:49,100
to consider that,

2095
01:09:49,100 --> 01:09:51,100
and we urge you to vote no

2096
01:09:51,100 --> 01:09:52,100
on this and

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01:09:52,100 --> 01:09:54,100
to show us that you care

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01:09:54,100 --> 01:09:56,100
about us as you did.

2099
01:09:56,100 --> 01:09:57,100
>> That's time.

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01:09:57,100 --> 01:10:00,100
>> Helping us under the hat.

2101
01:10:01,100 --> 01:10:03,100
>> Thank you. Beth Sheffield,

2102
01:10:03,100 --> 01:10:04,100
followed by Mark Houston, and

2103
01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:06,100
then Chris Caraher.

2104
01:10:08,100 --> 01:10:09,100
>> Caraher.

2105
01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:11,100
>> Before the clock begins,

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01:10:11,100 --> 01:10:12,100
Kimberly Zajac is here. She was

2107
01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:14,100
in the restroom. Can she speak?

2108
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:16,100
>> Sure.

2109
01:10:18,100 --> 01:10:19,100
>> Hello, Board of

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01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:20,100
Supervisors. Thank you

2111
01:10:20,100 --> 01:10:21,100
for the time and for the

2112
01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:23,100
restroom exception. I wanted

2113
01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:24,100
to speak here today

2114
01:10:24,100 --> 01:10:26,100
to note that the Bureau of

2115
01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:27,100
Land Management has already

2116
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:29,100
designated the land, which the

2117
01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:30,100
case study that we're all

2118
01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:32,100
referring to, as an area of

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01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:34,100
critical environmental concern.

2120
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:36,100
As I hope everyone here knows,

2121
01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:37,100
this is critical habitat for

2122
01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:39,100
endangered desert tortoises.

2123
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:41,401
Critical tortoises are a

2124
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:44,100
keystone species, which, as a

2125
01:10:44,100 --> 01:10:45,100
reminder, those are the

2126
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:47,100
organisms that help hold the

2127
01:10:47,100 --> 01:10:48,100
entire system together. So,

2128
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:49,100
before we consider changing

2129
01:10:49,100 --> 01:10:51,100
language that has been cited

2130
01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:53,100
by people with more expertise

2131
01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:55,100
than I as unclear and not

2132
01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:57,401
providing for enough review,

2133
01:10:59,100 --> 01:11:00,100
I would urge you

2134
01:11:00,100 --> 01:11:01,100
to consider some

2135
01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:02,100
of the past projects of

2136
01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:04,100
Dateline, like the Coliseum

2137
01:11:04,100 --> 01:11:06,401
Mine, which closed in 1993

2138
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:09,100
but still. Years later,

2139
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:10,100
there are sulfate levels

2140
01:11:10,100 --> 01:11:12,100
above normal. So, we have both

2141
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:13,100
case studies of this specific

2142
01:11:13,100 --> 01:11:15,100
company and an example

2143
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:17,100
of how this could be abused in

2144
01:11:17,100 --> 01:11:19,401
ways that are incredibly

2145
01:11:21,100 --> 01:11:22,100
detrimental to the economics

2146
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:23,100
of our region. I live in

2147
01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:24,100
Twentynine Palms, and

2148
01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:25,100
for the past 22 years I've been

2149
01:11:25,100 --> 01:11:26,100
an educator. My programs have

2150
01:11:26,100 --> 01:11:28,100
always been offered

2151
01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:29,100
at free or low cost,

2152
01:11:29,100 --> 01:11:31,100
and we value things

2153
01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:33,100
like teaching the youth

2154
01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:35,100
to learn about themselves,

2155
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:36,100
learn about their history,

2156
01:11:36,100 --> 01:11:38,100
and become stewards of those

2157
01:11:38,100 --> 01:11:39,100
things and the environment that

2158
01:11:39,100 --> 01:11:41,100
sustain us. So, if I am

2159
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:42,100
to continue working in

2160
01:11:42,100 --> 01:11:44,100
education and helping raise

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01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:46,100
youth that value these things,

2162
01:11:46,100 --> 01:11:49,100
how can I do so while watching

2163
01:11:49,100 --> 01:11:50,100
us give up the control that we

2164
01:11:50,100 --> 01:11:52,100
have of local matters

2165
01:11:52,100 --> 01:11:54,100
with great impact

2166
01:11:54,100 --> 01:11:55,100
to everyone? Especially

2167
01:11:55,100 --> 01:11:57,100
in times of such division,

2168
01:11:57,100 --> 01:11:58,100
I would urge you to consider

2169
01:11:58,100 --> 01:12:00,100
your role as government

2170
01:12:00,100 --> 01:12:01,100
stewards

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01:12:01,100 --> 01:12:02,100
in repairing the relationship

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01:12:02,100 --> 01:12:03,100
between constituents,

2173
01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:04,100
repairing that trust

2174
01:12:04,100 --> 01:12:07,100
with those who are tasked with

2175
01:12:07,100 --> 01:12:08,100
making the most good happen.

2176
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:09,100
So, as you heard

2177
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:10,100
in the invocation today, the

2178
01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:12,100
hope is that your decisions can

2179
01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:14,100
do the most good possible

2180
01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:16,100
for the entire community,

2181
01:12:16,100 --> 01:12:17,100
and I urge you to vote no and

2182
01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:20,100
to get more specific and more

2183
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:21,100
help from the constituents who

2184
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:22,100
wish.

2185
01:12:22,100 --> 01:12:23,100
>> That's time.

2186
01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:24,100
>> Thank you very much. Mark

2187
01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:25,100
Houston, followed by Chris

2188
01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:27,100
Caraher, and then Catherine

2189
01:12:27,100 --> 01:12:29,100
Powell.

2190
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:30,100
>> Good morning. I'm Beth

2191
01:12:30,100 --> 01:12:31,100
Sheffield, and I'm here today

2192
01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:32,100
to speak in opposition

2193
01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:33,100
to the proposed ordinance

2194
01:12:33,100 --> 01:12:35,100
to repeal and reenact Chapter

2195
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:37,100
88.03 of the County

2196
01:12:37,100 --> 01:12:38,100
Development Code.

2197
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:40,100
Specifically, I oppose the

2198
01:12:40,100 --> 01:12:41,100
addition of Section

2199
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:44,100
88.03.040B, as in bad. 2 parts

2200
01:12:45,100 --> 01:12:47,100
of this section are concerning.

2201
01:12:47,100 --> 01:12:50,100
To quote, the county may accept

2202
01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:52,100
documents and environmental

2203
01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:54,100
studies prepared by federal

2204
01:12:54,100 --> 01:12:55,100
agencies as functionally

2205
01:12:55,100 --> 01:12:57,100
equivalent to meet the county's

2206
01:12:57,100 --> 01:12:59,100
requirements, and a permit

2207
01:12:59,100 --> 01:13:01,100
shall not be required

2208
01:13:01,100 --> 01:13:02,100
for those portions of surface

2209
01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:04,100
mining operations that require

2210
01:13:04,100 --> 01:13:06,100
and obtain a federally approved

2211
01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:07,100
Plan of operation,

2212
01:13:07,100 --> 01:13:09,401
or other federal authorization.

2213
01:13:10,100 --> 01:13:11,100
As I understand this, any

2214
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:13,100
proposed mining projects will

2215
01:13:13,100 --> 01:13:15,100
be able to bypass California

2216
01:13:15,100 --> 01:13:17,100
CEQA review as well as any

2217
01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:19,100
currently required county

2218
01:13:19,100 --> 01:13:21,100
permitting. If this added

2219
01:13:21,100 --> 01:13:23,100
section is passed, the county

2220
01:13:23,100 --> 01:13:24,100
will give up local stewardship

2221
01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:26,100
of these public lands and allow

2222
01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:28,100
some unknown desk jockey in

2223
01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:29,100
Washington, D.C. to make

2224
01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:31,100
decisions that affect the

2225
01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:32,100
residents of San Bernardino

2226
01:13:32,100 --> 01:13:34,100
County. In addition, the public

2227
01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:36,100
will be completely left out

2228
01:13:36,100 --> 01:13:37,100
of the process. There is,

2229
01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:39,100
as there is no opportunity

2230
01:13:39,100 --> 01:13:42,100
for public input. You, as our

2231
01:13:42,100 --> 01:13:43,100
county Board of Supervisors,

2232
01:13:43,100 --> 01:13:44,100
are entrusted

2233
01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:46,100
to protect our community, our

2234
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:48,100
assets, our lands, and

2235
01:13:48,100 --> 01:13:49,100
to protect the way of life

2236
01:13:49,100 --> 01:13:50,100
of the residents who have

2237
01:13:50,100 --> 01:13:51,100
chosen to live in this

2238
01:13:51,100 --> 01:13:53,100
beautiful and peaceful rural

2239
01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:54,100
areas.

2240
01:13:54,100 --> 01:13:56,100
Under this new ordinance, the

2241
01:13:56,100 --> 01:13:58,100
county will also have no

2242
01:13:58,100 --> 01:13:59,100
upfront input. On reassurances

2243
01:13:59,100 --> 01:14:01,100
such as a reclamation plan?

2244
01:14:01,100 --> 01:14:02,100
>> 30 seconds.

2245
01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:03,100
>> Is the county prepared

2246
01:14:03,100 --> 01:14:04,100
to foot the costs of cleanup

2247
01:14:04,100 --> 01:14:06,100
once the mining companies have

2248
01:14:06,100 --> 01:14:07,100
extracted what they want

2249
01:14:07,100 --> 01:14:09,100
from our public lands? Do you

2250
01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:10,100
trust the folks in Washington

2251
01:14:10,100 --> 01:14:11,100
to negotiate

2252
01:14:11,100 --> 01:14:12,100
with the mining companies in

2253
01:14:12,100 --> 01:14:14,100
your best interest as the

2254
01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:16,100
county managers? Using Music

2255
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:18,100
Valley as an example,

2256
01:14:18,100 --> 01:14:19,100
will the taxpayers be left

2257
01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:20,100
with the bill

2258
01:14:20,100 --> 01:14:21,100
to clean up their mess,

2259
01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:22,100
including the unsightly piles

2260
01:14:22,100 --> 01:14:24,100
of toxic tailings That will

2261
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:26,100
greet tourists who visit 29

2262
01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:27,100
Palms and use the Joshua Tree

2263
01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:29,100
East Entrance. Please protect

2264
01:14:29,100 --> 01:14:30,100
our lands and our peaceful way

2265
01:14:30,100 --> 01:14:31,100
of life.

2266
01:14:31,100 --> 01:14:33,100
>> That's time.

2267
01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:35,100
Thank you. Mark Houston,

2268
01:14:35,100 --> 01:14:36,100
followed by Chris Caraher, and

2269
01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:38,100
then Catherine Powell.

2270
01:14:45,100 --> 01:14:46,100
>> Good morning. I am a 40-year

2271
01:14:46,100 --> 01:14:49,601
resident of Wonder Valley and a

2272
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:51,100
retired National Park Service

2273
01:14:51,100 --> 01:14:54,100
science tech. On the topic

2274
01:14:54,100 --> 01:14:55,100
of the county's plans to

2275
01:14:55,100 --> 01:14:57,100
discontinue planning and

2276
01:14:57,100 --> 01:14:58,100
permitting of mines

2277
01:14:58,100 --> 01:14:59,100
on federal lands,

2278
01:14:59,100 --> 01:15:01,100
it is my belief that San

2279
01:15:01,100 --> 01:15:02,100
Bernardino County is abdicating

2280
01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:04,100
its responsibilities

2281
01:15:04,100 --> 01:15:06,100
to the residents and taxpayers

2282
01:15:06,100 --> 01:15:08,100
to do so. The Morongo Basin

2283
01:15:08,100 --> 01:15:10,100
Conservation Association and

2284
01:15:10,100 --> 01:15:12,100
the National Park Association

2285
01:15:12,100 --> 01:15:15,100
have both, or will soon submit,

2286
01:15:15,100 --> 01:15:17,100
written comments addressing

2287
01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:19,100
this issue, and they speak for

2288
01:15:19,100 --> 01:15:22,100
me as well. I encourage this

2289
01:15:22,100 --> 01:15:24,100
august body to do better.

2290
01:15:24,100 --> 01:15:26,100
>> Thank you.

2291
01:15:26,100 --> 01:15:27,100
>> Thank you very much. Chris

2292
01:15:27,100 --> 01:15:28,100
Caraher, followed by

2293
01:15:28,100 --> 01:15:29,100
Catherine Powell, and then

2294
01:15:29,100 --> 01:15:31,100
Adrian.

2295
01:15:31,100 --> 01:15:33,100
>> Good morning. I'll try

2296
01:15:33,100 --> 01:15:34,100
to hurtle through this because

2297
01:15:34,100 --> 01:15:35,100
of the cut time. My name is

2298
01:15:35,100 --> 01:15:37,100
Chris Caraher, and I have been

2299
01:15:37,100 --> 01:15:38,100
a resident of Wonder Valley

2300
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:40,100
east of Twentynine Palms

2301
01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:42,100
for more than 30 years. Folks

2302
01:15:42,100 --> 01:15:44,100
who live in Wonder Valley are

2303
01:15:44,100 --> 01:15:46,100
almost all within potential

2304
01:15:46,100 --> 01:15:47,100
walking distance

2305
01:15:47,100 --> 01:15:48,100
of mining claims. And most

2306
01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:50,100
of us depend on wells,

2307
01:15:50,100 --> 01:15:51,100
as there is no piped water in

2308
01:15:51,100 --> 01:15:53,100
Wonder Valley. Ground

2309
01:15:53,100 --> 01:15:54,100
disturbance and mine tailings

2310
01:15:54,100 --> 01:15:56,100
leaching chemicals can

2311
01:15:56,100 --> 01:15:57,100
potentially make our properties

2312
01:15:57,100 --> 01:15:59,100
uninhabitable. Clearly, the

2313
01:15:59,100 --> 01:16:00,100
proper permitting and oversight

2314
01:16:00,100 --> 01:16:02,100
of mining and operations is

2315
01:16:02,100 --> 01:16:04,100
of vital importance to us, and

2316
01:16:04,100 --> 01:16:06,100
local desert communities need

2317
01:16:06,100 --> 01:16:08,100
to be fully informed and able

2318
01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:09,100
to participate

2319
01:16:09,100 --> 01:16:10,100
in that process. That did not

2320
01:16:10,100 --> 01:16:11,100
happen

2321
01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:12,100
in this case. I will cut

2322
01:16:12,100 --> 01:16:14,100
out why exactly, but we have,

2323
01:16:14,100 --> 01:16:17,100
as we've learned of this,

2324
01:16:17,100 --> 01:16:20,100
tried to understand a few basic

2325
01:16:20,100 --> 01:16:22,100
questions, and been having a

2326
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:24,100
hard time getting a straight

2327
01:16:24,100 --> 01:16:26,100
answer. Therefore, I ask that

2328
01:16:26,100 --> 01:16:27,100
before you vote on this item,

2329
01:16:27,100 --> 01:16:29,100
you provide straightforward

2330
01:16:29,100 --> 01:16:31,100
answers, straightforward so

2331
01:16:31,100 --> 01:16:32,100
that the good people of

2332
01:16:32,100 --> 01:16:34,100
Wonder Valley can understand

2333
01:16:34,100 --> 01:16:35,100
them,

2334
01:16:35,100 --> 01:16:36,100
to the following questions.

2335
01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:37,100
1, if this ordinance passes,

2336
01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:39,100
will any mining operation or

2337
01:16:39,100 --> 01:16:41,100
portion of any operation that

2338
01:16:41,100 --> 01:16:43,100
currently goes through county

2339
01:16:43,100 --> 01:16:45,100
permitting CEQA review, public

2340
01:16:45,100 --> 01:16:47,100
notice, public hearings, or

2341
01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:49,100
county-imposed conditions no

2342
01:16:49,100 --> 01:16:50,100
longer go

2343
01:16:50,100 --> 01:16:52,100
through those processes because

2344
01:16:52,100 --> 01:16:53,100
of the new federal land

2345
01:16:53,100 --> 01:16:56,100
provision? Yes or no? Number

2346
01:16:56,100 --> 01:16:58,401
2, specifically, is there any

2347
01:16:59,100 --> 01:17:01,100
county or public oversight that

2348
01:17:01,100 --> 01:17:02,100
exists under the current

2349
01:17:02,100 --> 01:17:03,100
ordinance.

2350
01:17:03,100 --> 01:17:04,100
>> 30 seconds.

2351
01:17:04,100 --> 01:17:05,100
>> That would no longer exist

2352
01:17:05,100 --> 01:17:07,100
or would be diminished

2353
01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:08,100
under the proposed ordinance?

2354
01:17:08,100 --> 01:17:09,100
Yes or no? Number 3, if the

2355
01:17:09,100 --> 01:17:11,100
answer to question number 2 is

2356
01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:13,100
no, please explain to our

2357
01:17:13,100 --> 01:17:14,100
residents why the new permit

2358
01:17:14,100 --> 01:17:16,100
shall not be required language

2359
01:17:16,100 --> 01:17:18,100
is being added. The current

2360
01:17:18,100 --> 01:17:19,100
ordinance does not specifically

2361
01:17:19,100 --> 01:17:21,100
state that a county permit

2362
01:17:21,100 --> 01:17:23,100
shall not be required for

2363
01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:25,100
federally authorized mining.

2364
01:17:25,100 --> 01:17:26,100
If the county truly has never

2365
01:17:26,100 --> 01:17:28,100
had permitting authority

2366
01:17:28,100 --> 01:17:29,100
in these circumstances, why is

2367
01:17:29,100 --> 01:17:31,100
this new exemption necessary? I

2368
01:17:31,100 --> 01:17:33,100
urge you to deny the adoption

2369
01:17:33,100 --> 01:17:34,100
of the measure

2370
01:17:34,100 --> 01:17:35,100
before you.

2371
01:17:35,100 --> 01:17:37,401
>> That's time. Thank you.

2372
01:17:40,100 --> 01:17:41,100
Adrian.

2373
01:17:41,100 --> 01:17:43,100
Oh, I'm sorry, Catherine

2374
01:17:43,100 --> 01:17:44,100
Powell, followed by Adrian, and

2375
01:17:44,100 --> 01:17:46,100
then Martin Oistendorp.

2376
01:17:47,100 --> 01:17:48,100
>> Thank you. My name is

2377
01:17:48,100 --> 01:17:49,100
Catherine Powell. I am a San

2378
01:17:49,100 --> 01:17:50,100
Bernardino County resident and

2379
01:17:50,100 --> 01:17:52,100
I vote. I am here

2380
01:17:52,100 --> 01:17:53,100
to strongly urge the board

2381
01:17:53,100 --> 01:17:54,100
to vote no

2382
01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:56,100
on the proposed changes to the

2383
01:17:56,100 --> 01:17:57,100
county mining ordinances,

2384
01:17:57,100 --> 01:17:59,100
the repeal and reenactment of

2385
01:17:59,100 --> 01:18:01,100
Chapter 88.03,

2386
01:18:01,100 --> 01:18:03,100
in particular the subsection

2387
01:18:03,100 --> 01:18:06,100
040B. This section will make it

2388
01:18:06,100 --> 01:18:07,100
possible to remove county

2389
01:18:07,100 --> 01:18:08,100
processes that provide critical

2390
01:18:08,100 --> 01:18:10,100
local oversight and input

2391
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:11,100
by allowing the county to

2392
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:12,100
accept federal environmental

2393
01:18:12,100 --> 01:18:14,100
documents as functionally

2394
01:18:14,100 --> 01:18:15,100
equivalent to its own,

2395
01:18:15,100 --> 01:18:17,100
and that a county permit shall,

2396
01:18:17,100 --> 01:18:18,100
quote, not be required for

2397
01:18:18,100 --> 01:18:20,100
mining that already holds a

2398
01:18:20,100 --> 01:18:22,100
federal plan of operation or

2399
01:18:22,100 --> 01:18:24,100
other federal authorization.

2400
01:18:24,100 --> 01:18:25,100
It does not matter that this

2401
01:18:25,100 --> 01:18:27,100
language is, quote unquote,

2402
01:18:27,100 --> 01:18:28,100
permissive and still allows the

2403
01:18:28,100 --> 01:18:30,100
county to conduct studies. It

2404
01:18:30,100 --> 01:18:31,100
removes the requirement that

2405
01:18:31,100 --> 01:18:33,100
they do so. As someone who

2406
01:18:33,100 --> 01:18:34,100
lives

2407
01:18:34,100 --> 01:18:35,100
in an unincorporated rural area

2408
01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:36,100
of the county facing a

2409
01:18:36,100 --> 01:18:37,100
potentially devastating,

2410
01:18:37,100 --> 01:18:39,100
devastating mine at Music

2411
01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:40,100
Valley near Joshua Tree

2412
01:18:40,100 --> 01:18:41,100
National Park, I want to be

2413
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:42,100
sure my community has a say

2414
01:18:42,100 --> 01:18:45,100
in what happens where we live.

2415
01:18:45,100 --> 01:18:46,100
Most critical is that the

2416
01:18:46,100 --> 01:18:48,100
county should not accept

2417
01:18:48,100 --> 01:18:49,100
federal agencies' environmental

2418
01:18:49,100 --> 01:18:50,100
studies in place

2419
01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:51,100
of its own review, given

2420
01:18:51,100 --> 01:18:52,100
federal reviews have been

2421
01:18:52,100 --> 01:18:54,100
profoundly weakened and no

2422
01:18:54,100 --> 01:18:55,100
longer have the same

2423
01:18:55,100 --> 01:18:57,100
protections as California's.

2424
01:18:57,100 --> 01:18:58,100
The premise that NEPA, the

2425
01:18:58,100 --> 01:19:00,100
federal, and the state CEQA

2426
01:19:00,100 --> 01:19:02,100
environmental reviews are

2427
01:19:02,100 --> 01:19:03,100
equivalent is outdated.

2428
01:19:03,100 --> 01:19:04,100
Of note is that in 2026,

2429
01:19:04,100 --> 01:19:06,100
federal rules changed,

2430
01:19:06,100 --> 01:19:08,100
rule changes have stripped NEPA

2431
01:19:08,100 --> 01:19:11,100
of public notice and comments.

2432
01:19:11,100 --> 01:19:12,100
steps. 2 other provisions that

2433
01:19:12,100 --> 01:19:14,100
are highly problematic in the

2434
01:19:14,100 --> 01:19:17,100
ordinance are the vested rights

2435
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:18,100
determination.

2436
01:19:18,100 --> 01:19:19,100
>> 30 seconds.

2437
01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:21,100
>> Is not a project

2438
01:19:21,100 --> 01:19:23,100
within the meaning of CEQA and

2439
01:19:23,100 --> 01:19:24,100
would not have review, and that

2440
01:19:24,100 --> 01:19:26,100
non-substantial deviations from

2441
01:19:26,100 --> 01:19:28,100
approved mining plans can be

2442
01:19:28,100 --> 01:19:29,100
approved with no public input

2443
01:19:29,100 --> 01:19:31,100
through a staff review process.

2444
01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:32,100
Lastly, I want to call out the

2445
01:19:32,100 --> 01:19:34,401
way that these ordinance

2446
01:19:35,100 --> 01:19:36,100
changes have been handled

2447
01:19:36,100 --> 01:19:38,100
by the county,

2448
01:19:38,100 --> 01:19:39,100
that it was drafted

2449
01:19:39,100 --> 01:19:40,100
in collaboration with mining

2450
01:19:40,100 --> 01:19:41,100
associations and no input from

2451
01:19:41,100 --> 01:19:43,100
the public, environmental

2452
01:19:43,100 --> 01:19:44,100
groups,

2453
01:19:44,100 --> 01:19:45,100
or tribal governments. That the

2454
01:19:45,100 --> 01:19:46,100
announcement

2455
01:19:46,100 --> 01:19:47,100
for this meeting was

2456
01:19:47,100 --> 01:19:48,100
in one paper

2457
01:19:48,100 --> 01:19:50,100
for the largest county.

2458
01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:52,100
>> That's time, Adrian, followed

2459
01:19:52,100 --> 01:19:54,100
by Martin Oystendorp, followed

2460
01:19:54,100 --> 01:19:56,401
by then Lori Portillo.

2461
01:19:57,100 --> 01:19:59,100
>> Hi, board members. Thank you

2462
01:19:59,100 --> 01:20:00,100
for hearing my opposition

2463
01:20:00,100 --> 01:20:03,100
to this proposal. I'm a

2464
01:20:03,100 --> 01:20:05,100
resident of Wonder Valley.

2465
01:20:05,100 --> 01:20:08,100
Yeah, that Wonder Valley. I

2466
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:11,100
guess in Wonder Valley, we

2467
01:20:11,100 --> 01:20:14,601
learned to read the wind. And

2468
01:20:15,100 --> 01:20:18,100
the wind that this proposal is

2469
01:20:18,100 --> 01:20:20,100
bringing is not a good one

2470
01:20:20,100 --> 01:20:23,100
for us. The key problem

2471
01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:25,100
with this proposal starts right

2472
01:20:25,100 --> 01:20:28,100
at the beginning, 3 years ago,

2473
01:20:29,100 --> 01:20:30,100
when the county first started

2474
01:20:30,100 --> 01:20:32,100
conversations

2475
01:20:32,100 --> 01:20:33,100
with mining companies. And

2476
01:20:33,100 --> 01:20:35,100
associated companies and did

2477
01:20:35,100 --> 01:20:37,100
not include residents,

2478
01:20:38,100 --> 01:20:39,100
did not include the

2479
01:20:39,100 --> 01:20:41,100
stakeholders, as they called

2480
01:20:41,100 --> 01:20:43,100
the people that they were

2481
01:20:43,100 --> 01:20:44,100
talking to stakeholders, but

2482
01:20:44,100 --> 01:20:46,100
they did not include the

2483
01:20:46,100 --> 01:20:48,100
public. They did not include

2484
01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:49,100
the residents and your

2485
01:20:49,100 --> 01:20:51,100
constituents. So that's the

2486
01:20:51,100 --> 01:20:52,100
basic problem here,

2487
01:20:52,100 --> 01:20:54,100
and everything else springs

2488
01:20:54,100 --> 01:20:55,100
from that. The short,

2489
01:20:55,100 --> 01:20:57,100
shortness of notice

2490
01:20:57,100 --> 01:21:00,100
of meetings, 2 minutes to talk

2491
01:21:00,100 --> 01:21:02,100
on a very complicated issue,

2492
01:21:02,100 --> 01:21:04,100
actually. So, I vote,

2493
01:21:04,100 --> 01:21:07,100
I ask you to vote no

2494
01:21:07,100 --> 01:21:09,100
on this proposal. Bring it back

2495
01:21:09,100 --> 01:21:10,100
to the table, have people talk

2496
01:21:10,100 --> 01:21:12,100
about it, but this is,

2497
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:15,100
this is too short to agree

2498
01:21:15,100 --> 01:21:17,100
with this proposal. So please

2499
01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:18,100
vote no on this. Thank you.

2500
01:21:18,100 --> 01:21:20,100
>> Thank you. Martin

2501
01:21:20,100 --> 01:21:22,100
Oistendorp, followed by Lori

2502
01:21:22,100 --> 01:21:24,100
Portillo, and then Pauline

2503
01:21:24,100 --> 01:21:26,100
Pisano.

2504
01:21:33,100 --> 01:21:34,100
>> Supervisors, good morning.

2505
01:21:34,100 --> 01:21:36,100
My name is Martin Oistendorp.

2506
01:21:36,100 --> 01:21:38,100
I'm also a resident of Wonder

2507
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:40,401
Valley. Supervisors, we all

2508
01:21:41,100 --> 01:21:43,100
know that currently

2509
01:21:43,100 --> 01:21:45,100
for mining projects

2510
01:21:45,100 --> 01:21:47,100
over a certain magnitude, even

2511
01:21:47,100 --> 01:21:50,100
on federal lands, that San

2512
01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:52,401
Bernardino County's Land Use

2513
01:21:54,100 --> 01:21:55,100
Services by state law and

2514
01:21:55,100 --> 01:21:57,100
by precedent,

2515
01:21:57,100 --> 01:22:00,100
is the permitting agency. That

2516
01:22:00,100 --> 01:22:01,100
is the law

2517
01:22:01,100 --> 01:22:04,601
in the ordinance as it stands.

2518
01:22:05,100 --> 01:22:08,100
The proposed changes in the

2519
01:22:08,100 --> 01:22:10,401
ordinance include language that

2520
01:22:13,100 --> 01:22:16,601
says a permit shall not be

2521
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:19,401
required. That's very clear

2522
01:22:21,100 --> 01:22:23,100
language. There's no ambiguity

2523
01:22:23,100 --> 01:22:26,100
there. If you accept the

2524
01:22:26,100 --> 01:22:28,100
proposed language

2525
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:31,100
to the ordinance, you are not

2526
01:22:31,100 --> 01:22:32,100
only relinquishing your

2527
01:22:32,100 --> 01:22:34,100
authority. You are also

2528
01:22:34,100 --> 01:22:37,100
silencing the voices of those

2529
01:22:37,100 --> 01:22:40,100
who are directly impacted. The

2530
01:22:40,100 --> 01:22:43,100
proposed change will lead to

2531
01:22:43,100 --> 01:22:45,100
harming the economy and the

2532
01:22:45,100 --> 01:22:47,100
health of the residents in and

2533
01:22:47,100 --> 01:22:49,401
near rural and environmentally

2534
01:22:50,100 --> 01:22:52,100
protected areas. It's a change

2535
01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:54,401
that your constituents oppose.

2536
01:22:57,100 --> 01:22:58,100
Supervisors, the proposed

2537
01:22:58,100 --> 01:23:00,100
change, if you accept it,

2538
01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:02,401
will taint your legacy.

2539
01:23:03,100 --> 01:23:04,100
>> 30 seconds.

2540
01:23:04,100 --> 01:23:06,100
>> It will taint your legacy

2541
01:23:06,100 --> 01:23:08,100
forever, and I urge you

2542
01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:10,100
to reject it. Thank you.

2543
01:23:10,100 --> 01:23:12,100
>> Thank you very much. Lori

2544
01:23:12,100 --> 01:23:14,100
Portillo, followed by Pauline

2545
01:23:14,100 --> 01:23:16,401
Pisano, and then Vandem

2546
01:23:17,100 --> 01:23:19,100
Altshuller.

2547
01:23:22,100 --> 01:23:23,100
>> Hello, my name is Lori

2548
01:23:23,100 --> 01:23:25,100
Portillo.

2549
01:23:25,100 --> 01:23:26,100
>> I've lived in Joshua Tree

2550
01:23:26,100 --> 01:23:29,100
for 45 years, and I can't

2551
01:23:29,100 --> 01:23:30,100
believe that you guys are even

2552
01:23:30,100 --> 01:23:32,401
thinking about stopping this

2553
01:23:33,100 --> 01:23:35,100
when this company that wants

2554
01:23:35,100 --> 01:23:37,100
to tear up 20,000 acres in

2555
01:23:37,100 --> 01:23:40,100
Joshua Tree is being stopped

2556
01:23:40,100 --> 01:23:42,100
from doing something that

2557
01:23:42,100 --> 01:23:44,100
they're doing in Mojave.

2558
01:23:44,100 --> 01:23:46,100
Mojave Preserve right now.

2559
01:23:46,100 --> 01:23:48,100
They're tearing it up and we're

2560
01:23:48,100 --> 01:23:49,100
taking them to court. And are

2561
01:23:49,100 --> 01:23:50,100
we going to be taking them

2562
01:23:50,100 --> 01:23:53,100
to court 20 years from now when

2563
01:23:53,100 --> 01:23:54,100
they've torn up these 20,000

2564
01:23:54,100 --> 01:23:56,100
acres? Or are we going

2565
01:23:56,100 --> 01:23:57,100
to look closely

2566
01:23:57,100 --> 01:24:00,100
at what's going on? Thank you.

2567
01:24:00,100 --> 01:24:02,401
>> Thank you very much.

2568
01:24:05,100 --> 01:24:07,100
Pauline Pisano, followed by

2569
01:24:07,100 --> 01:24:09,100
Vandam Altshuller.

2570
01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:12,100
>> Hi, everyone. My name is

2571
01:24:12,100 --> 01:24:13,100
Pauline Pisano. I'm a resident

2572
01:24:13,100 --> 01:24:15,100
of Flamingo Heights. I want

2573
01:24:15,100 --> 01:24:16,100
to reshare my remarks

2574
01:24:16,100 --> 01:24:18,100
from the Planning Commission

2575
01:24:18,100 --> 01:24:19,100
meeting in July when this item

2576
01:24:19,100 --> 01:24:21,100
was also on the agenda. I

2577
01:24:21,100 --> 01:24:22,100
invite board members to read

2578
01:24:22,100 --> 01:24:23,100
the comments and oppositions

2579
01:24:23,100 --> 01:24:25,100
from the community. The room

2580
01:24:25,100 --> 01:24:26,100
was packed that day. I'm a

2581
01:24:26,100 --> 01:24:28,100
social worker, artist, auntie,

2582
01:24:28,100 --> 01:24:30,100
and daughter. I'm sharing all

2583
01:24:30,100 --> 01:24:32,100
of this because my occupations

2584
01:24:32,100 --> 01:24:33,100
led me to visit Flint,

2585
01:24:33,100 --> 01:24:35,100
Michigan

2586
01:24:35,100 --> 01:24:36,100
during their water crisis. The

2587
01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:38,100
residents there were the true

2588
01:24:38,100 --> 01:24:39,100
heroes of that crisis. They

2589
01:24:39,100 --> 01:24:40,100
made sure that their neighbors

2590
01:24:40,100 --> 01:24:42,100
knew the dangers and saved

2591
01:24:42,100 --> 01:24:44,100
people when governance had

2592
01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:45,100
failed. The folks I spoke to

2593
01:24:45,100 --> 01:24:48,100
in Flint, Michigan never framed

2594
01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:50,100
the crisis as a water crisis.

2595
01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:52,100
They said it was a crisis

2596
01:24:52,100 --> 01:24:54,100
of democracy. I think everyone

2597
01:24:54,100 --> 01:24:56,100
in this room should heed the

2598
01:24:56,100 --> 01:24:58,100
people of Flint

2599
01:24:58,100 --> 01:24:59,100
to repeal and rewrite Chapter

2600
01:24:59,100 --> 01:25:02,100
88.03 to give up the county's

2601
01:25:02,100 --> 01:25:04,100
permitting authority. Feels

2602
01:25:04,100 --> 01:25:07,100
undemocratic because it is. It

2603
01:25:07,100 --> 01:25:09,100
feels unjust because it is

2604
01:25:09,100 --> 01:25:10,100
unjust

2605
01:25:10,100 --> 01:25:12,100
to every single human being

2606
01:25:12,100 --> 01:25:13,100
in this room. Are big

2607
01:25:13,100 --> 01:25:14,100
corporations the new unelected

2608
01:25:14,100 --> 01:25:16,100
emergency managers

2609
01:25:16,100 --> 01:25:18,100
of our day? You know,

2610
01:25:18,100 --> 01:25:19,100
I mentioned this earlier,

2611
01:25:19,100 --> 01:25:21,100
I'm also an auntie,

2612
01:25:21,100 --> 01:25:22,100
and it is our responsibility

2613
01:25:22,100 --> 01:25:24,100
to be good stewards

2614
01:25:24,100 --> 01:25:25,100
of the earth and our

2615
01:25:25,100 --> 01:25:26,100
communities

2616
01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:27,100
for future generations. Mining

2617
01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:29,100
projects are exploitative.

2618
01:25:29,100 --> 01:25:30,100
They've exploited our time so

2619
01:25:30,100 --> 01:25:32,100
far. They disintegrate

2620
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:36,100
surrounding communities, mine,

2621
01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:38,100
the earth, the water,

2622
01:25:38,100 --> 01:25:41,100
and the air. Everyone knows

2623
01:25:41,100 --> 01:25:43,100
this, which is why they are

2624
01:25:43,100 --> 01:25:44,100
very unpopular.

2625
01:25:44,100 --> 01:25:45,100
>> 30 seconds.

2626
01:25:45,100 --> 01:25:47,100
>> This is how the crisis of

2627
01:25:47,100 --> 01:25:48,100
Flint is with us here

2628
01:25:48,100 --> 01:25:51,100
in this room right now. We have

2629
01:25:51,100 --> 01:25:52,100
this amazing opportunity

2630
01:25:52,100 --> 01:25:54,100
in front of us

2631
01:25:54,100 --> 01:25:56,100
to do what is right. The time

2632
01:25:56,100 --> 01:25:57,100
is always right

2633
01:25:57,100 --> 01:25:59,100
to do what is right. Say no.

2634
01:25:59,100 --> 01:26:01,100
Say no to the rollback

2635
01:26:01,100 --> 01:26:03,401
of our voices mattering.

2636
01:26:05,100 --> 01:26:07,401
>> Thank you. Vandam Altshuller

2637
01:26:10,100 --> 01:26:12,401
followed by Mason Osgood.

2638
01:26:15,100 --> 01:26:16,100
>> Hello, my name is Vandam

2639
01:26:16,100 --> 01:26:17,100
Altshuller. I'm from 29 Palms.

2640
01:26:17,100 --> 01:26:19,100
I'm a resident, taxpayer,

2641
01:26:19,100 --> 01:26:21,100
and a voter, and I'm here

2642
01:26:21,100 --> 01:26:24,100
to oppose item 76. Do not adopt

2643
01:26:24,100 --> 01:26:26,100
this ordinance today. Continue

2644
01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:27,100
it. Put the full public record

2645
01:26:27,100 --> 01:26:28,100
before the board and remove the

2646
01:26:28,100 --> 01:26:30,100
federal land loophole. This is

2647
01:26:30,100 --> 01:26:32,100
being sold as an administrative

2648
01:26:32,100 --> 01:26:34,100
update, but it is not. This is

2649
01:26:34,100 --> 01:26:35,100
a countywide rewrite

2650
01:26:35,100 --> 01:26:37,100
of the mining rules brought for

2651
01:26:37,100 --> 01:26:38,100
public hearing and first

2652
01:26:38,100 --> 01:26:39,100
reading with real momentum

2653
01:26:39,100 --> 01:26:40,100
toward adoption before the

2654
01:26:40,100 --> 01:26:43,100
public has had a fair process.

2655
01:26:43,100 --> 01:26:44,100
This is not modernization.

2656
01:26:44,100 --> 01:26:45,100
This is surrender. And

2657
01:26:45,100 --> 01:26:47,100
surrender to whom? The record

2658
01:26:47,100 --> 01:26:48,100
says the ordinance was

2659
01:26:48,100 --> 01:26:50,100
developed with CalCIMA, the

2660
01:26:50,100 --> 01:26:52,100
Mining Industry Association.

2661
01:26:52,100 --> 01:26:53,100
At the same time, more than

2662
01:26:53,100 --> 01:26:54,100
100 public comments from the

2663
01:26:54,100 --> 01:26:56,100
July hearing are not even

2664
01:26:56,100 --> 01:26:57,100
on the board packet today.

2665
01:26:57,100 --> 01:26:58,100
So, the mining lobby is

2666
01:26:58,100 --> 01:26:59,100
in the room,

2667
01:26:59,100 --> 01:27:00,100
but people's voices are missing

2668
01:27:00,100 --> 01:27:01,100
from the record. This is

2669
01:27:01,100 --> 01:27:03,100
anti-resident governance.

2670
01:27:03,100 --> 01:27:04,100
We're not talking

2671
01:27:04,100 --> 01:27:05,100
about empty land. We're talking

2672
01:27:05,100 --> 01:27:06,100
about Wonder Valley,

2673
01:27:06,100 --> 01:27:08,100
Twentynine Palms, Joshua Tree

2674
01:27:08,100 --> 01:27:09,100
homes, wealth, wildlife,

2675
01:27:09,100 --> 01:27:10,100
children,

2676
01:27:10,100 --> 01:27:11,100
and the gateway economy

2677
01:27:11,100 --> 01:27:13,100
of the national park. Music

2678
01:27:13,100 --> 01:27:14,100
Valley is not imaginary.

2679
01:27:14,100 --> 01:27:16,100
Dateline Resource reports more

2680
01:27:16,100 --> 01:27:18,100
than 21,000 acres of claims on

2681
01:27:18,100 --> 01:27:21,100
this rare earth project area.

2682
01:27:21,100 --> 01:27:22,100
EPA says that rare earths

2683
01:27:22,100 --> 01:27:23,100
Processing can involve uranium

2684
01:27:23,100 --> 01:27:25,100
and thorium and can produce

2685
01:27:25,100 --> 01:27:27,100
radioactive tinorm waste. EPA

2686
01:27:27,100 --> 01:27:28,100
also says particular pollution

2687
01:27:28,100 --> 01:27:30,100
can aggravate asthma,

2688
01:27:30,100 --> 01:27:31,100
reduce lung function,

2689
01:27:31,100 --> 01:27:32,100
and harm children who are among

2690
01:27:32,100 --> 01:27:34,100
the most vulnerable. A child

2691
01:27:34,100 --> 01:27:35,100
gasping through asthma doesn't

2692
01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:37,100
care whether the dust came

2693
01:27:37,100 --> 01:27:38,100
through a county permit or

2694
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:39,100
federal authorization. A family

2695
01:27:39,100 --> 01:27:41,100
with poisoned well doesn't care

2696
01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:42,100
which agency signed the

2697
01:27:42,100 --> 01:27:43,100
paperwork. Do not bring the

2698
01:27:43,100 --> 01:27:45,100
lessons of the past here and

2699
01:27:45,100 --> 01:27:46,100
say you had no idea.

2700
01:27:46,100 --> 01:27:48,100
>> 30 seconds.

2701
01:27:48,100 --> 01:27:50,100
>> I'll add, I'm from

2702
01:27:50,100 --> 01:27:51,100
Russia, and I know this looks

2703
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:52,100
like, I know what it looks

2704
01:27:52,100 --> 01:27:54,100
like when laws are twisted

2705
01:27:54,100 --> 01:27:55,100
to accommodate oligarchs,

2706
01:27:55,100 --> 01:27:57,100
extraction, and administrative

2707
01:27:57,100 --> 01:27:58,100
convenience while ordinary

2708
01:27:58,100 --> 01:27:59,100
people are told it is

2709
01:27:59,100 --> 01:28:00,100
procedure. But this is

2710
01:28:00,100 --> 01:28:02,100
America. Here you swear an oath

2711
01:28:02,100 --> 01:28:03,100
to protect the public and

2712
01:28:03,100 --> 01:28:04,100
defend constitutional

2713
01:28:04,100 --> 01:28:06,100
governments. The oath is not

2714
01:28:06,100 --> 01:28:07,100
ceremonial language. It means

2715
01:28:07,100 --> 01:28:08,100
you do not help private

2716
01:28:08,100 --> 01:28:09,100
extractive powers strip

2717
01:28:09,100 --> 01:28:10,100
residents of local voice,

2718
01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:11,100
local review, and local

2719
01:28:11,100 --> 01:28:12,100
protection,

2720
01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:13,100
and do not confuse desert quiet

2721
01:28:13,100 --> 01:28:15,401
with consent. Vote no.

2722
01:28:18,100 --> 01:28:19,100
>> Thank you. Mason Osgood,

2723
01:28:19,100 --> 01:28:21,401
followed by Krystian Lahage.

2724
01:28:23,100 --> 01:28:24,100
I'm sorry about the

2725
01:28:24,100 --> 01:28:26,401
mispronunciation if I did.

2726
01:28:27,100 --> 01:28:28,100
>> Good morning. My name is

2727
01:28:28,100 --> 01:28:30,100
Mason Osgood. I'm the

2728
01:28:30,100 --> 01:28:31,100
California Desert Program

2729
01:28:31,100 --> 01:28:32,100
Manager for the National

2730
01:28:32,100 --> 01:28:33,100
Parks Conservation

2731
01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:35,100
Association. I'm commenting

2732
01:28:35,100 --> 01:28:36,100
today to respectfully request

2733
01:28:36,100 --> 01:28:38,100
that you deny the proposed

2734
01:28:38,100 --> 01:28:40,100
mining ordinance update until

2735
01:28:40,100 --> 01:28:41,100
reasonable revisions are made

2736
01:28:41,100 --> 01:28:43,100
to clarify the language. As we

2737
01:28:43,100 --> 01:28:45,100
wrote

2738
01:28:45,100 --> 01:28:46,100
in our comment letter submitted

2739
01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:47,100
with the Center for

2740
01:28:47,100 --> 01:28:49,100
Biological Diversity, Sierra

2741
01:28:49,100 --> 01:28:50,100
Club, and Earthworks, we

2742
01:28:50,100 --> 01:28:52,100
continue to have serious

2743
01:28:52,100 --> 01:28:53,100
concerns that this ordinance's

2744
01:28:53,100 --> 01:28:55,100
language regarding

2745
01:28:55,100 --> 01:28:56,100
applicability on federal lands

2746
01:28:56,100 --> 01:28:58,100
is problematic and will lead

2747
01:28:58,100 --> 01:28:59,100
to confusion for applicants,

2748
01:28:59,100 --> 01:29:01,401
agencies, and the public.

2749
01:29:03,100 --> 01:29:04,100
Changes must be made

2750
01:29:04,100 --> 01:29:05,100
to the ordinance

2751
01:29:05,100 --> 01:29:06,100
to clarify that mining projects

2752
01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:08,100
on federal lands are subject

2753
01:29:08,100 --> 01:29:09,100
to CEQA and the California

2754
01:29:09,100 --> 01:29:11,100
Surface Mining and

2755
01:29:11,100 --> 01:29:13,100
Reclamation Act, or SMARA,

2756
01:29:13,100 --> 01:29:14,100
policies that provide

2757
01:29:14,100 --> 01:29:15,100
reasonable protections and

2758
01:29:15,100 --> 01:29:16,100
public participation

2759
01:29:16,100 --> 01:29:18,100
requirements. Furthermore, the

2760
01:29:18,100 --> 01:29:20,100
county needs to update its

2761
01:29:20,100 --> 01:29:21,100
Memorandum of Understanding, or

2762
01:29:21,100 --> 01:29:23,100
MOU, to align with modern

2763
01:29:23,100 --> 01:29:25,100
environmental review

2764
01:29:25,100 --> 01:29:27,100
procedures. Currently, the

2765
01:29:27,100 --> 01:29:29,100
outdated MOU allows for a path

2766
01:29:29,100 --> 01:29:31,100
for mining projects to bypass

2767
01:29:31,100 --> 01:29:33,100
CEQA and SMARA regulations.

2768
01:29:33,100 --> 01:29:36,100
Recent changes to NEPA mean it

2769
01:29:36,100 --> 01:29:37,100
is highly unlikely that federal

2770
01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:39,100
documents will satisfy the

2771
01:29:39,100 --> 01:29:40,100
current requirements for,

2772
01:29:40,100 --> 01:29:42,100
of CEQA, and we urge clarity

2773
01:29:42,100 --> 01:29:44,100
in the text

2774
01:29:44,100 --> 01:29:45,100
to avoid improper reliance

2775
01:29:45,100 --> 01:29:47,100
on this MOU.

2776
01:29:47,100 --> 01:29:48,100
Without revision, these current

2777
01:29:48,100 --> 01:29:50,100
draft risks allowing bad actors

2778
01:29:50,100 --> 01:29:52,100
to avoid reasonable

2779
01:29:52,100 --> 01:29:53,100
environmental regulations that

2780
01:29:53,100 --> 01:29:55,100
responsible applicants would

2781
01:29:55,100 --> 01:29:56,100
otherwise comply with. This

2782
01:29:56,100 --> 01:29:58,100
creates a possibility of harm.

2783
01:29:58,100 --> 01:29:59,100
>> 30 seconds.

2784
01:29:59,100 --> 01:30:00,100
>> To the county's vast

2785
01:30:00,100 --> 01:30:02,100
environmental resources and

2786
01:30:02,100 --> 01:30:03,100
will create unnecessary delays

2787
01:30:03,100 --> 01:30:04,100
and potential for litigation

2788
01:30:04,100 --> 01:30:06,100
over mining permits.

2789
01:30:06,100 --> 01:30:07,100
>> I urge you

2790
01:30:07,100 --> 01:30:09,100
to deny the resolution before

2791
01:30:09,100 --> 01:30:10,100
you today and take the time to

2792
01:30:10,100 --> 01:30:12,100
make the simple changes as

2793
01:30:12,100 --> 01:30:13,100
outlined

2794
01:30:13,100 --> 01:30:14,100
in our written comments

2795
01:30:14,100 --> 01:30:15,100
to avoid ambiguity

2796
01:30:15,100 --> 01:30:17,100
in the regulation. Thank you.

2797
01:30:17,100 --> 01:30:18,100
>> Thank you very much.

2798
01:30:18,100 --> 01:30:19,100
Krystian Lahage, followed by

2799
01:30:19,100 --> 01:30:21,100
Chance Wilcox.

2800
01:30:21,100 --> 01:30:23,100
>> Good morning, Supervisors.

2801
01:30:23,100 --> 01:30:24,100
My name is Krystian Lahage.

2802
01:30:24,100 --> 01:30:25,100
I'm the public policy officer

2803
01:30:25,100 --> 01:30:26,100
for the Mojave Desert Land

2804
01:30:26,100 --> 01:30:27,100
Trust, and I'm a resident of

2805
01:30:27,100 --> 01:30:29,100
Joshua Tree, California.

2806
01:30:29,100 --> 01:30:31,100
Before my comments, I wanted

2807
01:30:31,100 --> 01:30:32,100
to acknowledge 2 things. And

2808
01:30:32,100 --> 01:30:33,100
the first is that we recognize

2809
01:30:33,100 --> 01:30:34,100
that the county has the right

2810
01:30:34,100 --> 01:30:35,100
and need

2811
01:30:35,100 --> 01:30:36,100
to update these ordinances.

2812
01:30:36,100 --> 01:30:37,100
And I also want to recognize

2813
01:30:37,100 --> 01:30:39,100
that we recently met with Dan

2814
01:30:39,100 --> 01:30:41,100
Walsh and had some

2815
01:30:41,100 --> 01:30:42,100
of this clarified

2816
01:30:42,100 --> 01:30:43,100
for us as well. So, I want to

2817
01:30:43,100 --> 01:30:44,100
acknowledge that and thank him

2818
01:30:44,100 --> 01:30:45,000
for hearing our concerns.

2819
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:46,100
We've shared our,

2820
01:30:46,100 --> 01:30:47,100
our comment letter

2821
01:30:47,100 --> 01:30:49,100
with both the board and, and

2822
01:30:49,100 --> 01:30:50,100
with the Land Use Services

2823
01:30:50,100 --> 01:30:51,100
Department. I think our

2824
01:30:51,100 --> 01:30:53,100
comments revolve around the

2825
01:30:53,100 --> 01:30:54,100
same general areas here. And I

2826
01:30:54,100 --> 01:30:56,100
heard Dan say it again today

2827
01:30:56,100 --> 01:30:57,100
that projects at the federal

2828
01:30:57,100 --> 01:30:59,100
level that are not subjected

2829
01:30:59,100 --> 01:31:01,100
to, to review that is as strong

2830
01:31:01,100 --> 01:31:03,100
as CEQA would have CEQA. What

2831
01:31:03,100 --> 01:31:05,100
we're looking for here is just

2832
01:31:05,100 --> 01:31:06,100
to update the language to,

2833
01:31:06,100 --> 01:31:08,100
to confirm that. We are not

2834
01:31:08,100 --> 01:31:09,100
opposed to the county having

2835
01:31:09,100 --> 01:31:11,100
mining ordinance, not opposed

2836
01:31:11,100 --> 01:31:12,100
to mining in general. We just

2837
01:31:12,100 --> 01:31:13,100
want to make sure that it's

2838
01:31:13,100 --> 01:31:14,100
done responsibly and

2839
01:31:14,100 --> 01:31:16,100
sustainably. And we feel that

2840
01:31:16,100 --> 01:31:17,100
it would be stronger both

2841
01:31:17,100 --> 01:31:19,100
in terms of understanding

2842
01:31:19,100 --> 01:31:20,100
for the community

2843
01:31:20,100 --> 01:31:22,100
to have that strong language,

2844
01:31:22,100 --> 01:31:24,401
guaranteeing the CEQA review.

2845
01:31:25,100 --> 01:31:26,100
And I think because of how long

2846
01:31:26,100 --> 01:31:27,100
this ordinance has been

2847
01:31:27,100 --> 01:31:28,100
out there, there's conflicting

2848
01:31:28,100 --> 01:31:29,100
language online in terms

2849
01:31:29,100 --> 01:31:30,100
of the permitting and things

2850
01:31:30,100 --> 01:31:31,100
like that, which I've heard

2851
01:31:31,100 --> 01:31:32,100
would be addressed as well.

2852
01:31:32,100 --> 01:31:33,100
So, I wanted

2853
01:31:33,100 --> 01:31:35,100
to say thank you for that.

2854
01:31:35,100 --> 01:31:36,100
Strongly encourage some

2855
01:31:36,100 --> 01:31:37,100
refinement to make it a little

2856
01:31:37,100 --> 01:31:39,100
bit more clear here. And thank

2857
01:31:39,100 --> 01:31:40,100
you to the county

2858
01:31:40,100 --> 01:31:41,100
for their time and listening

2859
01:31:41,100 --> 01:31:43,100
to our comments. Thank you.

2860
01:31:43,100 --> 01:31:44,100
>> Thank you very much.

2861
01:31:44,100 --> 01:31:46,100
Chance Wilcox.

2862
01:31:46,100 --> 01:31:48,100
>> Good morning, Supervisors.

2863
01:31:48,100 --> 01:31:50,100
I'm commenting both as a

2864
01:31:50,100 --> 01:31:51,100
resident of the Morongo Basin

2865
01:31:51,100 --> 01:31:53,100
and as the California Desert

2866
01:31:53,100 --> 01:31:54,100
Director for the National

2867
01:31:54,100 --> 01:31:55,100
Parks Conservation

2868
01:31:55,100 --> 01:31:56,100
Association. I'm asking that

2869
01:31:56,100 --> 01:31:57,100
you deny this ordinance and

2870
01:31:57,100 --> 01:31:59,100
continue the item simply

2871
01:31:59,100 --> 01:32:00,100
to create more time for

2872
01:32:00,100 --> 01:32:02,100
language review and public

2873
01:32:02,100 --> 01:32:03,100
input. There are many language

2874
01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:04,100
and potential legal issues with

2875
01:32:04,100 --> 01:32:05,100
the ordinance that create

2876
01:32:05,100 --> 01:32:06,100
ambiguity and that are not

2877
01:32:06,100 --> 01:32:08,100
aligned with the State Mining

2878
01:32:08,100 --> 01:32:09,100
and Geology Board provided

2879
01:32:09,100 --> 01:32:11,100
language. I am not opposed

2880
01:32:11,100 --> 01:32:12,100
to an ordinance

2881
01:32:12,100 --> 01:32:13,100
in general and not opposed

2882
01:32:13,100 --> 01:32:14,100
to all mining in San

2883
01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:15,100
Bernardino County but want

2884
01:32:15,100 --> 01:32:16,100
to ensure that the language of

2885
01:32:16,100 --> 01:32:18,100
this ordinance ensures proper

2886
01:32:18,100 --> 01:32:19,100
oversight on the part of the

2887
01:32:19,100 --> 01:32:20,100
county and that the language

2888
01:32:20,100 --> 01:32:22,100
used is legally sound and does

2889
01:32:22,100 --> 01:32:23,100
not create loopholes

2890
01:32:23,100 --> 01:32:25,100
for mining corporations. My

2891
01:32:25,100 --> 01:32:26,100
organization submitted written

2892
01:32:26,100 --> 01:32:27,100
comment along the Center for

2893
01:32:27,100 --> 01:32:29,100
Biological Diversity, MDLT,

2894
01:32:29,100 --> 01:32:30,100
and Earthworks, so I will not

2895
01:32:30,100 --> 01:32:32,100
go into the details, but it

2896
01:32:32,100 --> 01:32:33,100
outlines the language changes

2897
01:32:33,100 --> 01:32:34,100
that would tighten up this

2898
01:32:34,100 --> 01:32:36,100
ordinance and make the language

2899
01:32:36,100 --> 01:32:37,100
more sound. The State Mining

2900
01:32:37,100 --> 01:32:38,100
and Geology Board also has

2901
01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:40,100
ordinance templates readily

2902
01:32:40,100 --> 01:32:41,100
available to make this process

2903
01:32:41,100 --> 01:32:42,100
streamlined and legally sound,

2904
01:32:42,100 --> 01:32:44,100
but it does not seem as though

2905
01:32:44,100 --> 01:32:45,100
this was, this already approved

2906
01:32:45,100 --> 01:32:46,100
language was used

2907
01:32:46,100 --> 01:32:47,100
for this ordinance.

2908
01:32:47,100 --> 01:32:49,100
In addition, the process

2909
01:32:49,100 --> 01:32:50,100
to build out this ordinance did

2910
01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:51,100
not include the public

2911
01:32:51,100 --> 01:32:52,100
in all the 3 years

2912
01:32:52,100 --> 01:32:54,100
of its construction. Mining

2913
01:32:54,100 --> 01:32:55,100
corporations and mining

2914
01:32:55,100 --> 01:32:56,100
contractors such as CalCIMA

2915
01:32:56,100 --> 01:32:57,100
were consulted, but there was

2916
01:32:57,100 --> 01:32:58,100
little awareness sent out

2917
01:32:58,100 --> 01:33:00,100
to the public. The only notice

2918
01:33:00,100 --> 01:33:01,100
of a public meeting was placed

2919
01:33:01,100 --> 01:33:03,100
in the San Bernardino Sun, a

2920
01:33:03,100 --> 01:33:04,100
newspaper with a paywall that

2921
01:33:04,100 --> 01:33:05,100
many residents

2922
01:33:05,100 --> 01:33:07,100
of the far reaches of our vast

2923
01:33:07,100 --> 01:33:08,100
county do not turn to.

2924
01:33:08,100 --> 01:33:10,100
During the Land Use Planning

2925
01:33:10,100 --> 01:33:11,100
Commission meeting,

2926
01:33:11,100 --> 01:33:12,100
the public was brushed off as

2927
01:33:12,100 --> 01:33:13,100
not understanding mining, but I

2928
01:33:13,100 --> 01:33:15,100
think we can all disagree based

2929
01:33:15,100 --> 01:33:16,100
on the broad representation of

2930
01:33:16,100 --> 01:33:18,100
community members here who have

2931
01:33:18,100 --> 01:33:19,100
thoughtfully reviewed,

2932
01:33:19,100 --> 01:33:20,100
thoughtfully reviewed.

2933
01:33:20,100 --> 01:33:21,100
>> 30 seconds.

2934
01:33:21,100 --> 01:33:22,100
>> The language presented

2935
01:33:22,100 --> 01:33:23,100
before you.

2936
01:33:23,100 --> 01:33:24,100
And have commented

2937
01:33:24,100 --> 01:33:25,100
with very real, very

2938
01:33:25,100 --> 01:33:26,100
knowledgeable, and very valid

2939
01:33:26,100 --> 01:33:27,100
concerns. I ask that you

2940
01:33:27,100 --> 01:33:29,100
consider delaying the approval

2941
01:33:29,100 --> 01:33:30,100
of this ordinance for further

2942
01:33:30,100 --> 01:33:31,100
language review and public

2943
01:33:31,100 --> 01:33:32,100
input. It's obvious that San

2944
01:33:32,100 --> 01:33:34,100
Bernardino County residents are

2945
01:33:34,100 --> 01:33:35,100
concerned and care about

2946
01:33:35,100 --> 01:33:37,100
ensuring the county is engaged

2947
01:33:37,100 --> 01:33:38,100
in mining project permitting

2948
01:33:38,100 --> 01:33:39,100
and thoughtful

2949
01:33:39,100 --> 01:33:41,100
in protecting residents. Thank

2950
01:33:41,100 --> 01:33:42,100
you.

2951
01:33:42,100 --> 01:33:43,100
>> Thank you very much. That is

2952
01:33:43,100 --> 01:33:44,100
the last request

2953
01:33:44,100 --> 01:33:47,100
to speak that I have.

2954
01:33:48,100 --> 01:33:49,100
>> Gentlemen that aren't looking

2955
01:33:49,100 --> 01:33:53,801
at me, thank you. We have a lot

2956
01:33:54,100 --> 01:33:56,100
of passionate residents. I, I

2957
01:33:56,100 --> 01:33:59,100
know that you and I have worked

2958
01:33:59,100 --> 01:34:00,100
through this. I had many

2959
01:34:00,100 --> 01:34:02,100
questions that were brought on

2960
01:34:02,100 --> 01:34:03,100
by public comment

2961
01:34:03,100 --> 01:34:04,100
over the last several days,

2962
01:34:04,100 --> 01:34:05,100
including late

2963
01:34:05,100 --> 01:34:06,100
into the night last night,

2964
01:34:06,100 --> 01:34:08,100
and then here today. So, we

2965
01:34:08,100 --> 01:34:09,100
have, if nothing else,

2966
01:34:09,100 --> 01:34:12,100
a disconnect between what the

2967
01:34:12,100 --> 01:34:14,100
public perceives and what we

2968
01:34:14,100 --> 01:34:17,100
are doing at a minimum. And I

2969
01:34:17,100 --> 01:34:19,100
very much appreciate

2970
01:34:19,100 --> 01:34:20,100
Krystian Lahage's perspective

2971
01:34:20,100 --> 01:34:21,100
and comments,

2972
01:34:21,100 --> 01:34:22,100
and I know that you did meet

2973
01:34:22,100 --> 01:34:24,100
with several organizations

2974
01:34:24,100 --> 01:34:26,100
to make clarifications. And

2975
01:34:26,100 --> 01:34:27,100
then we've heard some

2976
01:34:27,100 --> 01:34:28,100
additional suggestions brought

2977
01:34:28,100 --> 01:34:31,100
by them. So perhaps I can start

2978
01:34:31,100 --> 01:34:33,100
with having you help me

2979
01:34:33,100 --> 01:34:35,100
understand the disconnect

2980
01:34:35,100 --> 01:34:37,100
on how the public has, and I

2981
01:34:37,100 --> 01:34:39,100
know I've seen media articles

2982
01:34:39,100 --> 01:34:40,100
that have run

2983
01:34:40,100 --> 01:34:41,100
with misinformation. I know

2984
01:34:41,100 --> 01:34:42,100
Morongo Basin Conservation

2985
01:34:42,100 --> 01:34:44,100
Association had misinformation

2986
01:34:44,100 --> 01:34:45,100
that was put out,

2987
01:34:45,100 --> 01:34:47,100
and then the narrative becomes,

2988
01:34:47,100 --> 01:34:49,100
what's out there and how do we

2989
01:34:49,100 --> 01:34:50,100
correct that? And, and that is

2990
01:34:50,100 --> 01:34:51,100
going

2991
01:34:51,100 --> 01:34:53,100
to be incumbent upon you today.

2992
01:34:53,100 --> 01:34:55,100
So, I'm going to start with a

2993
01:34:55,100 --> 01:34:57,100
question that you have heard

2994
01:34:57,100 --> 01:34:58,100
significant concern that the

2995
01:34:58,100 --> 01:34:59,100
county is giving up its

2996
01:34:59,100 --> 01:35:00,100
jurisdiction over mining

2997
01:35:00,100 --> 01:35:02,100
on federal lands. Can you

2998
01:35:02,100 --> 01:35:03,100
explain exactly what authority

2999
01:35:03,100 --> 01:35:05,100
the county has today and what

3000
01:35:05,100 --> 01:35:07,100
authority will have

3001
01:35:07,100 --> 01:35:08,100
after adoption of this

3002
01:35:08,100 --> 01:35:10,100
ordinance and whether we're

3003
01:35:10,100 --> 01:35:11,100
relinquishing any authority

3004
01:35:11,100 --> 01:35:13,401
that we currently possess?

3005
01:35:14,100 --> 01:35:15,100
>> Yeah, thanks

3006
01:35:15,100 --> 01:35:16,100
for the question. It might help

3007
01:35:16,100 --> 01:35:17,100
if I go

3008
01:35:17,100 --> 01:35:19,100
through just a brief history of

3009
01:35:19,100 --> 01:35:22,100
federal regulation as far as

3010
01:35:22,100 --> 01:35:23,100
mining goes on federal land.

3011
01:35:23,100 --> 01:35:25,100
So, it starts in.

3012
01:35:25,100 --> 01:35:26,100
>> Can you speak

3013
01:35:26,100 --> 01:35:27,100
into the mic?

3014
01:35:27,100 --> 01:35:28,100
>> Sorry.

3015
01:35:28,100 --> 01:35:29,100
>> Thank you.

3016
01:35:29,100 --> 01:35:30,100
>> So it starts,

3017
01:35:30,100 --> 01:35:32,100
the first date is 1872.

3018
01:35:32,100 --> 01:35:33,100
Before that date,

3019
01:35:33,100 --> 01:35:34,100
mining was illegal

3020
01:35:34,100 --> 01:35:36,100
on federal property,

3021
01:35:36,100 --> 01:35:38,100
just illegal. After 1872, the

3022
01:35:38,100 --> 01:35:40,100
General Mining Act went

3023
01:35:40,100 --> 01:35:42,100
into effect. It was enacted

3024
01:35:42,100 --> 01:35:44,100
by Congress, and at that point

3025
01:35:44,100 --> 01:35:45,100
it was pretty much a

3026
01:35:45,100 --> 01:35:46,100
free-for-all. And we're seeing

3027
01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:47,100
the vestiges

3028
01:35:47,100 --> 01:35:48,100
of those disturbances still

3029
01:35:48,100 --> 01:35:49,100
in our county, all

3030
01:35:49,100 --> 01:35:51,100
over the county, in the

3031
01:35:51,100 --> 01:35:52,100
Mojave Preserve and out

3032
01:35:52,100 --> 01:35:53,100
in the desert,

3033
01:35:53,100 --> 01:35:55,100
pretty much everywhere

3034
01:35:55,100 --> 01:35:56,100
in the mountains. And that was

3035
01:35:56,100 --> 01:35:59,100
for a little over 100 years.

3036
01:35:59,100 --> 01:36:01,100
And then in 1976, Congress

3037
01:36:01,100 --> 01:36:03,100
enacted the Federal Land

3038
01:36:03,100 --> 01:36:05,100
Policy and Management Act.

3039
01:36:05,100 --> 01:36:07,100
which actually was the

3040
01:36:07,100 --> 01:36:09,100
beginning of requiring permits

3041
01:36:09,100 --> 01:36:10,100
and reclamation standards

3042
01:36:10,100 --> 01:36:13,100
for federal lands. That was

3043
01:36:13,100 --> 01:36:15,100
right around the same time that

3044
01:36:15,100 --> 01:36:17,100
SMARA came out and just

3045
01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:19,100
after CEQA. So, we have all

3046
01:36:19,100 --> 01:36:20,100
these new regulations coming

3047
01:36:20,100 --> 01:36:23,100
into effect and NEPA. And

3048
01:36:25,100 --> 01:36:27,100
agencies were kind of butting

3049
01:36:27,100 --> 01:36:28,100
heads and not really knowing

3050
01:36:28,100 --> 01:36:30,100
what was going on. There's a

3051
01:36:30,100 --> 01:36:32,100
lot of duplicity in the,

3052
01:36:32,100 --> 01:36:35,100
in the reviews, and the

3053
01:36:35,100 --> 01:36:37,100
industry, the public are going,

3054
01:36:37,100 --> 01:36:39,100
hey, let's get our act together

3055
01:36:39,100 --> 01:36:40,100
here, guys. So in 1992,

3056
01:36:40,100 --> 01:36:42,100
California got together

3057
01:36:42,100 --> 01:36:44,100
with the federal agencies. And

3058
01:36:44,100 --> 01:36:46,100
it was the 1992 MOU that is

3059
01:36:46,100 --> 01:36:49,100
referenced in that section that

3060
01:36:49,100 --> 01:36:50,100
everybody's talking

3061
01:36:50,100 --> 01:36:51,100
about now,

3062
01:36:51,100 --> 01:36:53,100
federal land section. It's

3063
01:36:53,100 --> 01:36:56,100
referenced in that. And the MOU

3064
01:36:56,100 --> 01:36:58,100
was signed by, on the

3065
01:36:58,100 --> 01:37:00,100
California,

3066
01:37:00,100 --> 01:37:01,100
on the state side,

3067
01:37:01,100 --> 01:37:02,100
it was signed by the State

3068
01:37:02,100 --> 01:37:04,100
Mining Geology Board and the

3069
01:37:04,100 --> 01:37:05,100
Department of Conservation.

3070
01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:07,100
On the federal side,

3071
01:37:07,100 --> 01:37:08,100
it was signed by the

3072
01:37:08,100 --> 01:37:09,100
Department of Interior, namely

3073
01:37:09,100 --> 01:37:11,100
the Bureau of Land Management

3074
01:37:11,100 --> 01:37:13,100
and the U.S. Forest Service.

3075
01:37:13,100 --> 01:37:15,100
So, we have a state agreement

3076
01:37:15,100 --> 01:37:16,100
with those agencies

3077
01:37:16,100 --> 01:37:18,100
on the federal side. So as far

3078
01:37:18,100 --> 01:37:20,100
as the county authorities is

3079
01:37:20,100 --> 01:37:22,100
concerned,

3080
01:37:22,100 --> 01:37:24,100
we're giving our authority

3081
01:37:24,100 --> 01:37:25,100
to regulate surface mines

3082
01:37:25,100 --> 01:37:28,100
by SMARA. That's a state law.

3083
01:37:28,100 --> 01:37:29,100
So, the state gives us that

3084
01:37:29,100 --> 01:37:31,100
authority, okay? So, the MOU

3085
01:37:31,100 --> 01:37:33,100
has clarified the

3086
01:37:34,100 --> 01:37:35,100
jurisdictional

3087
01:37:35,100 --> 01:37:37,100
responsibilities, right,

3088
01:37:38,100 --> 01:37:39,100
to help us work through this so

3089
01:37:39,100 --> 01:37:41,100
we are working together and not

3090
01:37:41,100 --> 01:37:43,100
just separating. So that allows

3091
01:37:43,100 --> 01:37:45,100
us to take the project as a

3092
01:37:45,100 --> 01:37:47,100
whole when, say,

3093
01:37:48,100 --> 01:37:50,100
if BLM gets an application

3094
01:37:50,100 --> 01:37:53,100
for a plan of operation,

3095
01:37:53,100 --> 01:37:56,100
which is their permit. They

3096
01:37:56,100 --> 01:37:57,100
contact, or they have the

3097
01:37:57,100 --> 01:37:59,100
applicant contact the county

3098
01:37:59,100 --> 01:38:00,100
and say, we want

3099
01:38:00,100 --> 01:38:01,100
to start a mine

3100
01:38:01,100 --> 01:38:02,100
on federal property. We say,

3101
01:38:02,100 --> 01:38:03,100
great, you're going to have

3102
01:38:03,100 --> 01:38:04,100
to bring in an application

3103
01:38:04,100 --> 01:38:06,100
for a reclamation plan. And

3104
01:38:06,100 --> 01:38:07,100
then we contact,

3105
01:38:07,100 --> 01:38:08,100
we have great relationships

3106
01:38:08,100 --> 01:38:09,100
with each field office

3107
01:38:09,100 --> 01:38:10,100
for BLM. We contact them and we

3108
01:38:10,100 --> 01:38:12,100
start that conversation.

3109
01:38:12,100 --> 01:38:13,100
Sometimes we even make an MOU

3110
01:38:13,100 --> 01:38:16,100
for that specific project if

3111
01:38:16,100 --> 01:38:18,100
it's big enough,

3112
01:38:18,100 --> 01:38:19,100
if there's enough moving parts.

3113
01:38:19,100 --> 01:38:21,100
Just so there's more

3114
01:38:21,100 --> 01:38:23,100
clarification on authority.

3115
01:38:23,100 --> 01:38:25,100
And there is actually another

3116
01:38:25,100 --> 01:38:27,100
MOU that affords that as well.

3117
01:38:27,100 --> 01:38:29,401
So once the plan

3118
01:38:30,100 --> 01:38:31,100
of operation application's in

3119
01:38:31,100 --> 01:38:33,100
and the rec plan application's

3120
01:38:33,100 --> 01:38:36,100
in, we work with BLM. We can

3121
01:38:36,100 --> 01:38:39,100
take, the ordinance says we

3122
01:38:40,100 --> 01:38:43,100
may take studies and documents

3123
01:38:44,100 --> 01:38:46,100
that are submitted

3124
01:38:46,100 --> 01:38:48,100
for the plan of operation. If

3125
01:38:48,100 --> 01:38:50,100
you read the MOU,

3126
01:38:50,100 --> 01:38:51,100
the actual language is we may

3127
01:38:51,100 --> 01:38:54,100
take those if they meet or

3128
01:38:54,100 --> 01:38:56,100
exceed the standard of CEQA.

3129
01:38:56,100 --> 01:38:57,100
We didn't,

3130
01:38:57,100 --> 01:38:58,100
we didn't reproduce everything

3131
01:38:58,100 --> 01:39:00,100
in the ordinance. We're trying

3132
01:39:00,100 --> 01:39:01,100
to make it sort of dry, but we

3133
01:39:01,100 --> 01:39:03,100
reference all these sections so

3134
01:39:03,100 --> 01:39:06,100
that they are, you know,

3135
01:39:06,100 --> 01:39:07,100
you can go and look

3136
01:39:07,100 --> 01:39:08,100
at the actual language. We're

3137
01:39:08,100 --> 01:39:10,100
trying not to duplicate every

3138
01:39:10,100 --> 01:39:12,100
mining regulation

3139
01:39:12,100 --> 01:39:14,100
in the state and

3140
01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:15,100
in the federal government

3141
01:39:15,100 --> 01:39:17,100
into our document. We're trying

3142
01:39:17,100 --> 01:39:18,100
to make it so that it is a

3143
01:39:18,100 --> 01:39:19,100
referral

3144
01:39:19,100 --> 01:39:21,100
to those documents.

3145
01:39:22,100 --> 01:39:24,100
>> So, but clearly that has led

3146
01:39:24,100 --> 01:39:26,401
to some either misunderstanding

3147
01:39:27,100 --> 01:39:30,100
or vagaries that in county

3148
01:39:30,100 --> 01:39:32,100
government our residents don't

3149
01:39:32,100 --> 01:39:34,100
appreciate. So, I understand

3150
01:39:34,100 --> 01:39:35,100
what you're trying to do

3151
01:39:35,100 --> 01:39:36,100
from a staff perspective. The

3152
01:39:36,100 --> 01:39:38,100
residents don't appreciate that

3153
01:39:38,100 --> 01:39:39,100
from their standpoint.

3154
01:39:39,100 --> 01:39:40,100
>> I understand that.

3155
01:39:40,100 --> 01:39:41,100
>> So, at a minimum,

3156
01:39:41,100 --> 01:39:42,100
can we add

3157
01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:43,100
in clarifying language like we

3158
01:39:43,100 --> 01:39:45,100
had heard as a suggestion? And

3159
01:39:45,100 --> 01:39:46,100
were there any other

3160
01:39:46,100 --> 01:39:47,100
suggestions when you met with

3161
01:39:47,100 --> 01:39:48,100
Mojave Desert Land Trust and

3162
01:39:48,100 --> 01:39:50,100
the other entities that they

3163
01:39:50,100 --> 01:39:51,100
provided that could be added to

3164
01:39:51,100 --> 01:39:53,100
strengthen that so that we

3165
01:39:53,100 --> 01:39:54,100
could absolve the concerns that

3166
01:39:54,100 --> 01:39:55,100
the residents brought forward

3167
01:39:55,100 --> 01:39:56,100
today?

3168
01:39:56,100 --> 01:39:57,100
>> There were other

3169
01:39:57,100 --> 01:39:58,100
suggestions. The issue we would

3170
01:39:58,100 --> 01:40:02,100
have there would be that it is

3171
01:40:02,100 --> 01:40:03,100
approaching the level

3172
01:40:03,100 --> 01:40:04,100
of trying

3173
01:40:04,100 --> 01:40:06,100
to rewrite the memorandum

3174
01:40:06,100 --> 01:40:07,100
of understanding. And since the

3175
01:40:07,100 --> 01:40:09,100
county didn't write it or

3176
01:40:09,100 --> 01:40:11,100
wouldn't sign it, okay,

3177
01:40:11,100 --> 01:40:13,100
that would be trying to kind

3178
01:40:13,100 --> 01:40:16,601
of circumvent state law and a,

3179
01:40:18,100 --> 01:40:19,100
a, an agreement

3180
01:40:19,100 --> 01:40:22,100
between the state and the feds,

3181
01:40:22,100 --> 01:40:24,100
right? Trying to rewrite that

3182
01:40:24,100 --> 01:40:26,100
from our ordinance standpoint.

3183
01:40:26,100 --> 01:40:27,100
And that's not appropriate.

3184
01:40:27,100 --> 01:40:28,100
And that's not going to pass

3185
01:40:28,100 --> 01:40:30,100
through the state.

3186
01:40:30,100 --> 01:40:31,100
>> Well, let's answer this

3187
01:40:31,100 --> 01:40:32,100
question. If I could have the

3188
01:40:32,100 --> 01:40:33,100
audience remain quiet,

3189
01:40:33,100 --> 01:40:34,100
please. Why are we here today?

3190
01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:37,100
Why are we even redoing this?

3191
01:40:37,100 --> 01:40:39,100
>> Oh, because our ordinance is

3192
01:40:39,100 --> 01:40:42,100
grossly out of date. It is

3193
01:40:42,100 --> 01:40:44,100
missing sections,

3194
01:40:44,100 --> 01:40:45,100
it has sections that are

3195
01:40:45,100 --> 01:40:47,100
obsolete, and it doesn't have

3196
01:40:47,100 --> 01:40:49,100
the current language that's

3197
01:40:49,100 --> 01:40:51,100
written in state law. The state

3198
01:40:51,100 --> 01:40:53,100
statutes and regulations that

3199
01:40:53,100 --> 01:40:55,100
form SMARA have been changed,

3200
01:40:55,100 --> 01:40:58,100
and even 2017 they were changed

3201
01:40:58,100 --> 01:41:00,100
significantly. So, we need

3202
01:41:00,100 --> 01:41:03,100
to update our ordinance to put

3203
01:41:03,100 --> 01:41:06,601
in our code for reference and

3204
01:41:07,100 --> 01:41:09,401
for enforcement priorities so

3205
01:41:11,100 --> 01:41:14,601
that our code matches what is

3206
01:41:15,100 --> 01:41:17,100
written in the state law.

3207
01:41:17,100 --> 01:41:18,100
>> And what happens if we don't

3208
01:41:18,100 --> 01:41:19,100
do that?

3209
01:41:19,100 --> 01:41:21,100
>> If we don't have a,

3210
01:41:21,100 --> 01:41:22,100
a certified ordinance,

3211
01:41:22,100 --> 01:41:25,100
if we don't have a,

3212
01:41:25,100 --> 01:41:27,100
a verified ordinance from the

3213
01:41:27,100 --> 01:41:29,100
State Mining and Geology

3214
01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:31,100
Board, they would have

3215
01:41:31,100 --> 01:41:32,100
jurisdiction to take

3216
01:41:32,100 --> 01:41:33,100
over as lead agency.

3217
01:41:33,100 --> 01:41:34,100
>> But we've been out

3218
01:41:34,100 --> 01:41:36,100
of compliance for a number

3219
01:41:36,100 --> 01:41:38,100
of years now with BAMO.

3220
01:41:38,100 --> 01:41:39,100
>> And we were, we were told

3221
01:41:39,100 --> 01:41:41,100
many, I'd say most

3222
01:41:41,100 --> 01:41:42,100
of the lead agencies

3223
01:41:42,100 --> 01:41:43,100
in the state were told in

3224
01:41:43,100 --> 01:41:44,100
2023, hey, get your,

3225
01:41:44,100 --> 01:41:46,100
get your ordinances updated.

3226
01:41:46,100 --> 01:41:47,100
And they're hounding them.

3227
01:41:47,100 --> 01:41:49,100
They're, they're, they're

3228
01:41:52,100 --> 01:41:54,100
encouraging them constantly get

3229
01:41:54,100 --> 01:41:55,100
that,

3230
01:41:55,100 --> 01:41:56,100
get those ordinances in. We

3231
01:41:56,100 --> 01:41:57,100
need

3232
01:41:57,100 --> 01:41:59,100
to get everybody updated. And

3233
01:41:59,100 --> 01:42:00,100
San Bernardino County is a very

3234
01:42:00,100 --> 01:42:02,100
important agency because we

3235
01:42:02,100 --> 01:42:03,100
have the most mines,

3236
01:42:03,100 --> 01:42:04,100
we're the biggest county.

3237
01:42:04,100 --> 01:42:05,100
>> So at a minimum,

3238
01:42:05,100 --> 01:42:06,100
can you add

3239
01:42:06,100 --> 01:42:07,100
in clarifying language into the

3240
01:42:07,100 --> 01:42:09,100
MOU or our ordinance that

3241
01:42:09,100 --> 01:42:11,100
doesn't negate the MOU,

3242
01:42:11,100 --> 01:42:12,100
that clarifies that these have

3243
01:42:12,100 --> 01:42:14,100
to go through CEQA?

3244
01:42:14,100 --> 01:42:16,100
>> We could probably add

3245
01:42:16,100 --> 01:42:17,100
something like,

3246
01:42:17,100 --> 01:42:19,100
like I said before, as long as

3247
01:42:19,100 --> 01:42:21,100
the documents meet or exceed

3248
01:42:21,100 --> 01:42:23,100
CEQA standards. We know we

3249
01:42:23,100 --> 01:42:25,100
could probably add something

3250
01:42:25,100 --> 01:42:26,100
like that without having

3251
01:42:26,100 --> 01:42:28,100
to do a whole new revision,

3252
01:42:28,100 --> 01:42:30,100
like new revision

3253
01:42:31,100 --> 01:42:32,100
from the state or review

3254
01:42:32,100 --> 01:42:34,100
from the state.

3255
01:42:34,100 --> 01:42:35,100
>> I'm about to look at

3256
01:42:35,100 --> 01:42:36,100
County Counsel here,

3257
01:42:36,100 --> 01:42:37,100
because if you can probably do

3258
01:42:37,100 --> 01:42:39,100
it, then I might probably vote

3259
01:42:39,100 --> 01:42:41,100
on it. If you can't probably do

3260
01:42:41,100 --> 01:42:42,100
it, then I would ask you

3261
01:42:42,100 --> 01:42:44,100
to continue the hearing

3262
01:42:44,100 --> 01:42:46,100
to have staff work on it.

3263
01:42:46,100 --> 01:42:47,100
>> If you wanted

3264
01:42:47,100 --> 01:42:48,100
to add language similar

3265
01:42:48,100 --> 01:42:49,100
to what's being suggested,

3266
01:42:49,100 --> 01:42:50,100
we could do that

3267
01:42:50,100 --> 01:42:51,100
at the meeting.

3268
01:42:51,100 --> 01:42:52,100
We would need a motion that

3269
01:42:52,100 --> 01:42:53,100
specifies what subsection

3270
01:42:53,100 --> 01:42:55,100
you're amending and exactly how

3271
01:42:55,100 --> 01:42:57,100
you are amending it.

3272
01:42:57,100 --> 01:42:58,100
>> Would you like

3273
01:42:58,100 --> 01:43:00,100
to make that suggestion based

3274
01:43:00,100 --> 01:43:01,100
on the public comments that

3275
01:43:01,100 --> 01:43:02,100
we've heard today,

3276
01:43:02,100 --> 01:43:03,100
how you would like to amend it

3277
01:43:03,100 --> 01:43:04,100
without dramatically changing

3278
01:43:04,100 --> 01:43:06,100
the intent of the MOU?

3279
01:43:06,100 --> 01:43:07,100
>> Yeah, if we, as long as it's

3280
01:43:07,100 --> 01:43:08,100
written exactly how it is

3281
01:43:08,100 --> 01:43:09,100
in the MOU and we're not trying

3282
01:43:09,100 --> 01:43:11,100
to rewrite any part of that,

3283
01:43:11,100 --> 01:43:12,100
then I would be, I'd be

3284
01:43:12,100 --> 01:43:13,100
in favor of that.

3285
01:43:13,100 --> 01:43:14,100
>> Okay. Would you like

3286
01:43:14,100 --> 01:43:17,100
to recess for, say, 10 minutes

3287
01:43:17,100 --> 01:43:19,100
to work on that and then come

3288
01:43:19,100 --> 01:43:20,100
back and present the suggested

3289
01:43:20,100 --> 01:43:21,100
changes based

3290
01:43:21,100 --> 01:43:22,100
on what we've heard today?

3291
01:43:22,100 --> 01:43:23,100
>> Yeah, that sounds great.

3292
01:43:23,100 --> 01:43:24,100
Okay. All right.

3293
01:43:24,100 --> 01:43:27,100
>> We will recess this for 10

3294
01:43:27,100 --> 01:43:28,100
minutes and we will continue

3295
01:43:28,100 --> 01:43:31,100
the public hearing at how

3296
01:43:32,100 --> 01:43:34,100
about 12 o'clock noon

3297
01:43:34,100 --> 01:43:36,401
on the dot? 13 minutes.

3298
01:43:38,100 --> 01:43:40,100
>> The way you presented this,

3299
01:43:40,100 --> 01:43:42,100
with this, it leaves the

3300
01:43:42,100 --> 01:43:44,100
impression that.

3301
01:43:46,100 --> 01:43:47,100
>> I don't have any idea what

3302
01:43:47,100 --> 01:43:49,100
the vote will be on this. I just

3303
01:43:49,100 --> 01:43:50,100
said if.

3304
01:43:50,100 --> 01:43:51,100
>> I just don't

3305
01:43:51,100 --> 01:43:52,100
want to get ahead of themselves

3306
01:43:52,100 --> 01:43:54,100
because I'll be very candid.

3307
01:43:54,100 --> 01:43:55,100
I'm going to vote no on this

3308
01:43:55,100 --> 01:43:57,100
for a variety of reasons. I

3309
01:43:57,100 --> 01:43:59,100
probably got more time

3310
01:43:59,100 --> 01:44:00,100
in that damn hole than anybody

3311
01:44:00,100 --> 01:44:02,100
in this building here,

3312
01:44:02,100 --> 01:44:04,100
and I'll explain that later.

3313
01:44:04,100 --> 01:44:06,100
But I'm just wondering,

3314
01:44:06,100 --> 01:44:07,100
are we getting ahead

3315
01:44:07,100 --> 01:44:09,100
of ourselves in having this

3316
01:44:09,100 --> 01:44:12,100
language when we don't have

3317
01:44:12,100 --> 01:44:14,100
at least a vote

3318
01:44:14,100 --> 01:44:15,100
on whether we're going

3319
01:44:15,100 --> 01:44:17,100
to support this,

3320
01:44:17,100 --> 01:44:19,100
this language. Whether.

3321
01:44:19,100 --> 01:44:20,100
>> Let's take other board

3322
01:44:20,100 --> 01:44:21,100
member comments

3323
01:44:21,100 --> 01:44:22,100
before recess.

3324
01:44:22,100 --> 01:44:23,100
>> Not trying to be.

3325
01:44:23,100 --> 01:44:24,100
>> All right, let's take other

3326
01:44:24,100 --> 01:44:25,100
board member comments

3327
01:44:25,100 --> 01:44:26,100
before we recess to then see if

3328
01:44:26,100 --> 01:44:27,100
there are additional items

3329
01:44:27,100 --> 01:44:29,100
to be worked on. Okay,

3330
01:44:29,100 --> 01:44:31,100
Supervisor Cook, any additional

3331
01:44:31,100 --> 01:44:33,100
comments?

3332
01:44:35,100 --> 01:44:37,100
>> No, no, I, I think I made my

3333
01:44:37,100 --> 01:44:40,100
comments very clear in that,

3334
01:44:42,100 --> 01:44:44,401
based upon my history,

3335
01:44:45,100 --> 01:44:47,100
I have spent a lot

3336
01:44:47,100 --> 01:44:50,100
of time and a lot

3337
01:44:52,100 --> 01:44:54,100
of nights there, and I just

3338
01:44:54,100 --> 01:44:57,100
have some reservations. I am

3339
01:44:57,100 --> 01:44:58,100
going

3340
01:44:58,100 --> 01:44:59,100
to vote no. I'll be very candid

3341
01:44:59,100 --> 01:45:01,100
with you. And

3342
01:45:01,100 --> 01:45:03,401
before we get ahead

3343
01:45:04,100 --> 01:45:07,601
of ourselves, maybe we need a

3344
01:45:08,100 --> 01:45:11,100
vote whether there's a majority

3345
01:45:13,100 --> 01:45:14,100
to go forward

3346
01:45:14,100 --> 01:45:17,100
with this instead of making

3347
01:45:18,100 --> 01:45:20,100
changes that won't be necessary

3348
01:45:20,100 --> 01:45:22,401
if it's voted down.

3349
01:45:24,100 --> 01:45:25,100
>> I see the issue as whether

3350
01:45:25,100 --> 01:45:26,100
the board,

3351
01:45:26,100 --> 01:45:27,100
that you're willing

3352
01:45:27,100 --> 01:45:29,100
to entertain a motion to

3353
01:45:29,100 --> 01:45:30,100
consider the ordinance as

3354
01:45:30,100 --> 01:45:31,100
proposed.

3355
01:45:31,100 --> 01:45:32,100
Is that the motion that

3356
01:45:32,100 --> 01:45:33,100
you're making, Supervisor?

3357
01:45:33,100 --> 01:45:35,100
>> I'm not making any motion

3358
01:45:35,100 --> 01:45:36,100
right now. I thought that was

3359
01:45:36,100 --> 01:45:38,100
the one that was before as

3360
01:45:38,100 --> 01:45:40,100
proposed right now?

3361
01:45:40,100 --> 01:45:41,100
>> There is no motion currently

3362
01:45:41,100 --> 01:45:43,100
pending.

3363
01:45:44,100 --> 01:45:45,100
>> I am not going to support

3364
01:45:45,100 --> 01:45:47,100
the ordinance. However, the

3365
01:45:47,100 --> 01:45:50,601
lawyers want to propose it, I,

3366
01:45:53,100 --> 01:45:55,100
I am against it.

3367
01:45:55,100 --> 01:45:56,100
>> It sounds like the Chair is

3368
01:45:56,100 --> 01:45:58,100
going to be making a motion to

3369
01:45:58,100 --> 01:46:00,100
adopt the ordinance as amended,

3370
01:46:00,100 --> 01:46:03,100
and if that motion is made, you

3371
01:46:03,100 --> 01:46:05,100
can vote no on that.

3372
01:46:05,100 --> 01:46:06,100
>> Well, that's what I was

3373
01:46:06,100 --> 01:46:07,100
planning on.

3374
01:46:07,100 --> 01:46:08,100
>> Okay, so I think we're

3375
01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:09,100
proceeding properly.

3376
01:46:09,100 --> 01:46:11,100
>> Okay, other board member

3377
01:46:11,100 --> 01:46:13,100
comments?

3378
01:46:17,100 --> 01:46:18,100
>> There's a, there's a,

3379
01:46:18,100 --> 01:46:20,100
I think you said a lot, Madam

3380
01:46:20,100 --> 01:46:21,100
Chair, as far as the

3381
01:46:21,100 --> 01:46:22,100
clarification. And obviously

3382
01:46:22,100 --> 01:46:23,100
when they have this many people

3383
01:46:23,100 --> 01:46:25,100
come out and against it

3384
01:46:25,100 --> 01:46:27,100
for different angles, there's

3385
01:46:27,100 --> 01:46:29,100
definitely some clarity that

3386
01:46:29,100 --> 01:46:30,100
needs to be put in there.

3387
01:46:30,100 --> 01:46:31,100
But I'll go back to the,

3388
01:46:31,100 --> 01:46:33,100
what you were saying in your,

3389
01:46:33,100 --> 01:46:34,100
on the previous comments. If we

3390
01:46:34,100 --> 01:46:37,100
do nothing, kind of go

3391
01:46:37,100 --> 01:46:39,100
through what happens.

3392
01:46:40,100 --> 01:46:42,100
>> If we don't, if we don't

3393
01:46:42,100 --> 01:46:43,100
update our ordinance?

3394
01:46:43,100 --> 01:46:44,100
>> Yes.

3395
01:46:44,100 --> 01:46:46,100
>> Okay, so if we don't update

3396
01:46:46,100 --> 01:46:47,100
our ordinance, SMGB will

3397
01:46:47,100 --> 01:46:48,100
continue to put pressure

3398
01:46:48,100 --> 01:46:50,100
on us if we just refuse,

3399
01:46:50,100 --> 01:46:52,100
and they will have the

3400
01:46:52,100 --> 01:46:53,100
opportunity, they'll have the

3401
01:46:53,100 --> 01:46:55,100
author, the, the authority To

3402
01:46:55,100 --> 01:46:57,401
take the mining regulation

3403
01:46:59,100 --> 01:47:02,601
over, they'll be able to take

3404
01:47:03,100 --> 01:47:05,100
our lead agency authority away

3405
01:47:05,100 --> 01:47:06,100
from us and become the lead

3406
01:47:06,100 --> 01:47:07,100
order.

3407
01:47:07,100 --> 01:47:08,100
>> Just like in, several

3408
01:47:08,100 --> 01:47:09,100
of us have served

3409
01:47:09,100 --> 01:47:10,100
at different levels

3410
01:47:10,100 --> 01:47:12,100
of government. Generally, the

3411
01:47:12,100 --> 01:47:13,100
higher level of government

3412
01:47:13,100 --> 01:47:14,100
doesn't necessarily need a

3413
01:47:14,100 --> 01:47:15,100
lower level of government

3414
01:47:15,100 --> 01:47:16,100
to do something. So, the

3415
01:47:16,100 --> 01:47:17,100
federal government

3416
01:47:17,100 --> 01:47:18,100
on their lands will want

3417
01:47:18,100 --> 01:47:20,100
to give a permit for mining,

3418
01:47:20,100 --> 01:47:21,100
and we refuse,

3419
01:47:21,100 --> 01:47:22,100
they could bypass us. Is that a

3420
01:47:22,100 --> 01:47:23,100
clarified way

3421
01:47:23,100 --> 01:47:24,100
to say that?

3422
01:47:24,100 --> 01:47:25,100
>> Yeah, that's part of the

3423
01:47:25,100 --> 01:47:27,100
Supremacy Clause.

3424
01:47:27,100 --> 01:47:28,100
>> Okay. Same thing

3425
01:47:28,100 --> 01:47:29,100
on the state level. State

3426
01:47:29,100 --> 01:47:30,100
supersedes the county,

3427
01:47:30,100 --> 01:47:31,100
and it's a higher level

3428
01:47:31,100 --> 01:47:32,100
of policy. So, what the State

3429
01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:33,100
of California does,

3430
01:47:33,100 --> 01:47:35,100
it's made an agreement

3431
01:47:35,100 --> 01:47:36,100
with the federal government

3432
01:47:36,100 --> 01:47:37,100
on their lands, this is going

3433
01:47:37,100 --> 01:47:38,100
to be the process

3434
01:47:38,100 --> 01:47:40,100
of what we're going to do,

3435
01:47:40,100 --> 01:47:41,100
which combines generally NEPA

3436
01:47:41,100 --> 01:47:42,100
and CEQA

3437
01:47:42,100 --> 01:47:44,100
in those applications.

3438
01:47:44,100 --> 01:47:46,100
But they're giving it to us

3439
01:47:46,100 --> 01:47:48,100
to be that lead agency. So, if

3440
01:47:48,100 --> 01:47:51,601
we do not have an up-to-date

3441
01:47:53,100 --> 01:47:55,100
ordinance, then we lose that

3442
01:47:55,100 --> 01:47:57,100
participation potentially

3443
01:47:58,100 --> 01:47:59,100
at all at a local level

3444
01:47:59,100 --> 01:48:02,100
to even look at these.

3445
01:48:02,100 --> 01:48:04,100
>> Yes, that's correct.

3446
01:48:04,100 --> 01:48:06,100
>> Okay, so, you know, I think

3447
01:48:06,100 --> 01:48:07,100
that's the bigger question

3448
01:48:07,100 --> 01:48:09,100
for me is how do we get

3449
01:48:09,100 --> 01:48:11,100
to the point where we're still

3450
01:48:11,100 --> 01:48:13,100
at least at the table? We may

3451
01:48:13,100 --> 01:48:14,100
not like all the things

3452
01:48:14,100 --> 01:48:15,100
at the table, but

3453
01:48:15,100 --> 01:48:16,100
at least we're participating

3454
01:48:16,100 --> 01:48:17,100
in and

3455
01:48:17,100 --> 01:48:18,100
with our county being so rich

3456
01:48:18,100 --> 01:48:19,100
in land and materials

3457
01:48:19,100 --> 01:48:20,100
in all the sense,

3458
01:48:20,100 --> 01:48:21,100
we're always being looked at

3459
01:48:21,100 --> 01:48:22,100
for everything, especially

3460
01:48:22,100 --> 01:48:25,100
in our desert. So going back

3461
01:48:25,100 --> 01:48:26,100
to the concerns

3462
01:48:26,100 --> 01:48:27,100
of our residents

3463
01:48:27,100 --> 01:48:28,100
about the clarity

3464
01:48:28,100 --> 01:48:30,100
of the CEQA and NEPA,

3465
01:48:30,100 --> 01:48:31,100
and I think that's where the

3466
01:48:31,100 --> 01:48:32,100
Chair was kind

3467
01:48:32,100 --> 01:48:34,100
of leading us to, is there was,

3468
01:48:34,100 --> 01:48:36,100
when I heard the public speak,

3469
01:48:36,100 --> 01:48:37,100
there was a lot of uncertainty

3470
01:48:37,100 --> 01:48:39,100
of what language was in our

3471
01:48:39,100 --> 01:48:40,100
ordinance because you referred

3472
01:48:40,100 --> 01:48:42,100
to that MOU between state and

3473
01:48:42,100 --> 01:48:44,100
the federal government because

3474
01:48:44,100 --> 01:48:46,100
that has already been worked

3475
01:48:46,100 --> 01:48:48,100
out. And so, we refer to

3476
01:48:48,100 --> 01:48:50,100
Government Code section blah

3477
01:48:50,100 --> 01:48:51,100
blah blah and blah blah blah

3478
01:48:51,100 --> 01:48:54,100
for that. And it's going

3479
01:48:54,100 --> 01:48:55,100
to be difficult

3480
01:48:55,100 --> 01:48:56,100
from a referral document to

3481
01:48:56,100 --> 01:48:58,100
educate all the residents who

3482
01:48:58,100 --> 01:49:00,100
have say into this,

3483
01:49:00,100 --> 01:49:02,100
who have concerns

3484
01:49:02,100 --> 01:49:04,100
about all that, just by having

3485
01:49:04,100 --> 01:49:06,100
them do the research that they

3486
01:49:06,100 --> 01:49:07,100
would need to do to understand

3487
01:49:07,100 --> 01:49:09,100
that entire ordinance.

3488
01:49:09,100 --> 01:49:10,100
But I want to, you know,

3489
01:49:10,100 --> 01:49:11,100
go back to the point where if

3490
01:49:11,100 --> 01:49:12,100
we do nothing,

3491
01:49:12,100 --> 01:49:14,100
maybe it's not necessary today,

3492
01:49:14,100 --> 01:49:16,100
but if we do nothing and keep

3493
01:49:16,100 --> 01:49:17,100
kicking this can

3494
01:49:17,100 --> 01:49:18,100
down the road, then eventually

3495
01:49:18,100 --> 01:49:20,100
the state or the federal

3496
01:49:20,100 --> 01:49:21,100
government say, okay,

3497
01:49:21,100 --> 01:49:22,100
we're just not going

3498
01:49:22,100 --> 01:49:23,100
to let you be the lead agency.

3499
01:49:23,100 --> 01:49:24,100
State of California will be,

3500
01:49:24,100 --> 01:49:26,100
or the U.S. government will be.

3501
01:49:26,100 --> 01:49:27,100
And we just have to, oh,

3502
01:49:27,100 --> 01:49:28,100
by the way,

3503
01:49:28,100 --> 01:49:29,100
we got a new mine here. We

3504
01:49:29,100 --> 01:49:30,100
don't have any say

3505
01:49:30,100 --> 01:49:32,100
in it whatsoever. Can you

3506
01:49:32,100 --> 01:49:34,100
portray by the document,

3507
01:49:34,100 --> 01:49:35,100
the ordinance we have right

3508
01:49:35,100 --> 01:49:37,100
now, that California, and

3509
01:49:37,100 --> 01:49:39,100
especially California, has

3510
01:49:39,100 --> 01:49:41,401
probably the strictest CEQA

3511
01:49:42,100 --> 01:49:43,100
laws out there for these type

3512
01:49:43,100 --> 01:49:44,100
of things. Is that level

3513
01:49:44,100 --> 01:49:46,100
compared to other states' MOUs

3514
01:49:46,100 --> 01:49:48,100
with the federal government

3515
01:49:48,100 --> 01:49:49,100
at a different level? Is that a

3516
01:49:49,100 --> 01:49:51,100
higher level? Because most

3517
01:49:51,100 --> 01:49:53,100
of our developments go through

3518
01:49:53,100 --> 01:49:55,401
a very strenuous CEQA.

3519
01:49:56,100 --> 01:49:57,100
>> There's only a few states

3520
01:49:57,100 --> 01:49:59,100
in the union that allow

3521
01:49:59,100 --> 01:50:01,401
for local lead agency

3522
01:50:02,100 --> 01:50:04,100
regulation of mines.

3523
01:50:04,100 --> 01:50:05,100
>> So, the other states are

3524
01:50:05,100 --> 01:50:07,100
this, the federal government

3525
01:50:07,100 --> 01:50:08,100
says we're giving you this

3526
01:50:08,100 --> 01:50:09,100
permission, you go do it,

3527
01:50:09,100 --> 01:50:10,100
and they don't have much say

3528
01:50:10,100 --> 01:50:11,100
in it at all?

3529
01:50:11,100 --> 01:50:12,100
>> Correct.

3530
01:50:12,100 --> 01:50:13,100
>> Okay, so California is one

3531
01:50:13,100 --> 01:50:14,100
of the stricter states for

3532
01:50:14,100 --> 01:50:15,100
these mining ordinance

3533
01:50:15,100 --> 01:50:16,100
residents,

3534
01:50:16,100 --> 01:50:17,100
and it does give our residents,

3535
01:50:17,100 --> 01:50:19,100
when a new project comes,

3536
01:50:19,100 --> 01:50:22,100
even though another lead agency

3537
01:50:22,100 --> 01:50:23,100
may have done that

3538
01:50:23,100 --> 01:50:24,100
environmental work,

3539
01:50:24,100 --> 01:50:26,100
it does come to the county

3540
01:50:26,100 --> 01:50:27,100
to proceed and does allow us to

3541
01:50:27,100 --> 01:50:29,100
notify our residents and allow

3542
01:50:29,100 --> 01:50:31,100
those comments to come in

3543
01:50:31,100 --> 01:50:32,100
before that. So, we don't

3544
01:50:32,100 --> 01:50:34,100
abdicate that ability

3545
01:50:34,100 --> 01:50:36,100
to do that process

3546
01:50:36,100 --> 01:50:37,100
to another agency

3547
01:50:37,100 --> 01:50:38,100
in this ordinance?

3548
01:50:38,100 --> 01:50:39,100
>> No, we don't.

3549
01:50:39,100 --> 01:50:41,100
>> So we still hold that local

3550
01:50:41,100 --> 01:50:43,100
authority versus us giving that

3551
01:50:43,100 --> 01:50:45,100
authority up to a state or a

3552
01:50:45,100 --> 01:50:46,100
federal agency?

3553
01:50:46,100 --> 01:50:48,100
>> Correct.

3554
01:50:48,100 --> 01:50:50,100
>> So I, I'm not going

3555
01:50:50,100 --> 01:50:51,100
to say I'm an expert on mining

3556
01:50:51,100 --> 01:50:53,100
ordinances. I know that there's

3557
01:50:53,100 --> 01:50:55,100
a lot out here. I think You

3558
01:50:55,100 --> 01:50:57,100
know, for me, I just want the

3559
01:50:57,100 --> 01:50:58,100
assurances that that process,

3560
01:50:58,100 --> 01:51:01,100
if we stay as a lead agency,

3561
01:51:01,100 --> 01:51:03,100
still has that visibility

3562
01:51:03,100 --> 01:51:05,100
for our residents, that

3563
01:51:05,100 --> 01:51:06,100
to come out through the

3564
01:51:06,100 --> 01:51:07,100
Planning Commission,

3565
01:51:07,100 --> 01:51:08,100
through the board meetings, to

3566
01:51:08,100 --> 01:51:09,100
address whatever the

3567
01:51:09,100 --> 01:51:10,100
environmental work was done

3568
01:51:10,100 --> 01:51:13,100
by the applicant, when that

3569
01:51:14,100 --> 01:51:15,100
NEPA or CEQA and all the rest

3570
01:51:15,100 --> 01:51:16,100
of it, those standards are

3571
01:51:16,100 --> 01:51:17,100
still there. And that maybe we

3572
01:51:17,100 --> 01:51:18,100
clarify that in the ordinance

3573
01:51:18,100 --> 01:51:20,100
so that gives a sense

3574
01:51:20,100 --> 01:51:21,100
of security that

3575
01:51:21,100 --> 01:51:23,100
these are the things that we do

3576
01:51:23,100 --> 01:51:24,100
that is no different. So,

3577
01:51:24,100 --> 01:51:27,100
in updating this ordinance, do

3578
01:51:27,100 --> 01:51:29,100
we lose any control that we had

3579
01:51:29,100 --> 01:51:31,100
in the old ordinance

3580
01:51:31,100 --> 01:51:33,100
to the new ordinance?

3581
01:51:33,100 --> 01:51:35,100
>> No, it's, it's based

3582
01:51:35,100 --> 01:51:36,100
on the same 1992 agreement

3583
01:51:36,100 --> 01:51:37,100
between the state and the

3584
01:51:37,100 --> 01:51:38,100
federal government

3585
01:51:38,100 --> 01:51:40,100
on federal lands. What is

3586
01:51:40,100 --> 01:51:42,401
updated are better processes

3587
01:51:44,100 --> 01:51:46,100
for enforcement,

3588
01:51:47,100 --> 01:51:48,100
more information needed

3589
01:51:48,100 --> 01:51:50,100
for applications

3590
01:51:50,100 --> 01:51:52,401
for reclamation plans. The,

3591
01:51:54,100 --> 01:51:56,401
in 2017, the state surrendered

3592
01:51:59,100 --> 01:52:03,201
its right to be lead agency for

3593
01:52:05,100 --> 01:52:07,100
vested rights determinations.

3594
01:52:07,100 --> 01:52:09,100
Turned that back to just the

3595
01:52:09,100 --> 01:52:11,100
local lead agencies. So that's

3596
01:52:11,100 --> 01:52:12,100
one area that we've had to

3597
01:52:12,100 --> 01:52:14,100
develop because the state has

3598
01:52:14,100 --> 01:52:16,100
bowed out of it.

3599
01:52:16,100 --> 01:52:18,100
>> And do you feel these

3600
01:52:18,100 --> 01:52:19,100
updates that were, want

3601
01:52:19,100 --> 01:52:21,100
to propose to this ordinance,

3602
01:52:21,100 --> 01:52:23,100
does it make it, I don't want

3603
01:52:23,100 --> 01:52:25,100
to say easier or harder. I know

3604
01:52:25,100 --> 01:52:26,100
some of the things align. We do

3605
01:52:26,100 --> 01:52:27,100
updates

3606
01:52:27,100 --> 01:52:29,100
on state laws all the time for,

3607
01:52:29,100 --> 01:52:30,100
you know, county ordinances. I

3608
01:52:30,100 --> 01:52:31,100
think we do that once,

3609
01:52:31,100 --> 01:52:32,100
once a year. There's

3610
01:52:32,100 --> 01:52:33,100
constantly, every time the

3611
01:52:33,100 --> 01:52:34,100
state passes a new law,

3612
01:52:34,100 --> 01:52:35,100
we have

3613
01:52:35,100 --> 01:52:36,100
to update our local ordinances.

3614
01:52:36,100 --> 01:52:37,100
So that's more of a ministerial

3615
01:52:37,100 --> 01:52:39,100
administrative thing. Some of

3616
01:52:39,100 --> 01:52:40,100
those things are major changes,

3617
01:52:40,100 --> 01:52:41,100
some are not, more

3618
01:52:41,100 --> 01:52:43,100
in language. On this update, do

3619
01:52:43,100 --> 01:52:45,100
you see that things are even

3620
01:52:45,100 --> 01:52:47,100
any kind of easier

3621
01:52:47,100 --> 01:52:48,100
for the applicant, a mining

3622
01:52:48,100 --> 01:52:50,100
company, or is it harder, or

3623
01:52:50,100 --> 01:52:51,100
what,

3624
01:52:51,100 --> 01:52:53,100
how would you take it?

3625
01:52:53,100 --> 01:52:55,100
>> It's, it's more organized.

3626
01:52:55,100 --> 01:52:57,100
It, and remember, just because

3627
01:52:57,100 --> 01:52:59,100
we're changing the language of

3628
01:52:59,100 --> 01:53:01,100
our ordinance doesn't mean

3629
01:53:01,100 --> 01:53:02,100
that, you know, we're going

3630
01:53:02,100 --> 01:53:03,100
to be doing things differently.

3631
01:53:03,100 --> 01:53:06,100
We're already doing this. This

3632
01:53:06,100 --> 01:53:07,100
is our day-to-day operations.

3633
01:53:07,100 --> 01:53:08,100
We're just kind of putting it

3634
01:53:08,100 --> 01:53:09,100
on paper and making it code.

3635
01:53:09,100 --> 01:53:12,100
Right? We still have a

3636
01:53:12,100 --> 01:53:14,100
responsibility to follow the

3637
01:53:14,100 --> 01:53:16,100
most current iteration

3638
01:53:16,100 --> 01:53:17,100
of SMARA

3639
01:53:17,100 --> 01:53:18,100
on a day-to-day basis.

3640
01:53:18,100 --> 01:53:19,100
>> The 1992?

3641
01:53:19,100 --> 01:53:21,100
>> No, which is.

3642
01:53:21,100 --> 01:53:22,100
>> The 2017 one?

3643
01:53:22,100 --> 01:53:24,100
>> Which is, it's updated

3644
01:53:24,100 --> 01:53:25,100
periodically,

3645
01:53:25,100 --> 01:53:26,100
just minor tweaks. The last

3646
01:53:26,100 --> 01:53:28,401
major revision was in 2017.

3647
01:53:30,100 --> 01:53:32,100
They revamped all sorts

3648
01:53:32,100 --> 01:53:33,100
of things, reclamation

3649
01:53:33,100 --> 01:53:35,100
requirements, success criteria,

3650
01:53:35,100 --> 01:53:37,100
what's required

3651
01:53:38,100 --> 01:53:41,100
in the reclamation plan. So,

3652
01:53:41,100 --> 01:53:42,100
we're beholden to those

3653
01:53:42,100 --> 01:53:44,100
regulations as they evolve year

3654
01:53:44,100 --> 01:53:46,100
for year. We're beholden

3655
01:53:46,100 --> 01:53:47,100
to that. That's why we tried

3656
01:53:47,100 --> 01:53:48,100
to make this kind

3657
01:53:48,100 --> 01:53:51,100
of an outline of referencing

3658
01:53:51,100 --> 01:53:53,100
the sections instead

3659
01:53:53,100 --> 01:53:54,100
of spelling it all out, just

3660
01:53:54,100 --> 01:53:56,100
making it another duplication

3661
01:53:56,100 --> 01:53:57,100
of SMARA. We're spelling it

3662
01:53:57,100 --> 01:53:58,100
out, so we don't have

3663
01:53:58,100 --> 01:54:00,100
to revise whenever they revise.

3664
01:54:00,100 --> 01:54:01,100
We just.

3665
01:54:01,100 --> 01:54:02,100
>> We just reference the master

3666
01:54:02,100 --> 01:54:03,100
document, so to speak.

3667
01:54:03,100 --> 01:54:04,100
>> Yeah.

3668
01:54:04,100 --> 01:54:06,100
>> So as that gets updated

3669
01:54:06,100 --> 01:54:08,401
through the legislature, or

3670
01:54:09,100 --> 01:54:10,100
very infrequently the MOU

3671
01:54:10,100 --> 01:54:11,100
change between the federal and

3672
01:54:11,100 --> 01:54:13,100
state government, it

3673
01:54:13,100 --> 01:54:14,100
automatically updates our

3674
01:54:14,100 --> 01:54:15,100
ordinance. So, we don't have

3675
01:54:15,100 --> 01:54:16,100
to go through this every few

3676
01:54:16,100 --> 01:54:17,100
years is what you're saying?

3677
01:54:17,100 --> 01:54:18,100
>> Correct.

3678
01:54:18,100 --> 01:54:19,100
>> So I, I get that the

3679
01:54:19,100 --> 01:54:20,100
technical side, I get the

3680
01:54:20,100 --> 01:54:21,100
purpose,

3681
01:54:21,100 --> 01:54:23,100
I understand what you're doing.

3682
01:54:23,100 --> 01:54:24,100
It goes back to,

3683
01:54:24,100 --> 01:54:26,100
is there a better way for us

3684
01:54:26,100 --> 01:54:28,100
to be putting this out there?

3685
01:54:28,100 --> 01:54:29,100
There's many groups that are

3686
01:54:29,100 --> 01:54:31,100
representative, do you feel that

3687
01:54:31,100 --> 01:54:33,100
you had enough face time

3688
01:54:33,100 --> 01:54:35,100
with those groups? Or let me

3689
01:54:35,100 --> 01:54:37,100
rephrase that. If we were

3690
01:54:37,100 --> 01:54:39,100
to put this off

3691
01:54:39,100 --> 01:54:40,100
for another month and you sat

3692
01:54:40,100 --> 01:54:42,100
down and kind

3693
01:54:42,100 --> 01:54:43,100
of pointed those things out,

3694
01:54:43,100 --> 01:54:46,100
do you think that would give

3695
01:54:46,100 --> 01:54:48,100
our agency, our department,

3696
01:54:48,100 --> 01:54:49,100
our staff the ability

3697
01:54:49,100 --> 01:54:51,100
to communicate this in a better

3698
01:54:51,100 --> 01:54:53,100
way where it doesn't look

3699
01:54:53,100 --> 01:54:54,100
like it's a, a change

3700
01:54:54,100 --> 01:54:57,100
where they're very fearful of?

3701
01:54:58,100 --> 01:55:00,100
>> I, I think that the county

3702
01:55:00,100 --> 01:55:01,100
could definitely do better in,

3703
01:55:01,100 --> 01:55:03,100
in their outreach in general

3704
01:55:03,100 --> 01:55:05,100
for mining projects. However,

3705
01:55:05,100 --> 01:55:07,401
for the SMARA update,

3706
01:55:08,100 --> 01:55:10,100
this is state law.

3707
01:55:10,100 --> 01:55:12,100
>> Yeah, I'm not asking you to

3708
01:55:12,100 --> 01:55:13,100
change the ordinance

3709
01:55:13,100 --> 01:55:15,100
necessarily. Obviously, there's

3710
01:55:15,100 --> 01:55:16,100
a lot of questions about the

3711
01:55:16,100 --> 01:55:18,100
ordinance that they were asking

3712
01:55:18,100 --> 01:55:19,100
for clarifying information

3713
01:55:19,100 --> 01:55:22,100
in the ordinance, and if we

3714
01:55:22,100 --> 01:55:23,100
were able

3715
01:55:23,100 --> 01:55:25,100
to have a workshop. I, I don't

3716
01:55:25,100 --> 01:55:26,100
know, I don't know

3717
01:55:26,100 --> 01:55:27,100
what we have done enough

3718
01:55:27,100 --> 01:55:29,100
to get up here. I know it's

3719
01:55:29,100 --> 01:55:30,100
been in the works

3720
01:55:30,100 --> 01:55:32,100
for a long time, but to show

3721
01:55:32,100 --> 01:55:34,100
where these critical safeguards

3722
01:55:34,100 --> 01:55:35,100
in their mines,

3723
01:55:35,100 --> 01:55:37,100
the NEPA and CEQA, the ability

3724
01:55:37,100 --> 01:55:39,100
for local residents to chime

3725
01:55:39,100 --> 01:55:41,401
in on a project,

3726
01:55:42,100 --> 01:55:44,100
and when those stages, even

3727
01:55:44,100 --> 01:55:45,100
though that's what we practice

3728
01:55:45,100 --> 01:55:47,100
today and that you're amending

3729
01:55:47,100 --> 01:55:48,100
this ordinance that those

3730
01:55:48,100 --> 01:55:50,100
practices will stay there. Is

3731
01:55:50,100 --> 01:55:52,100
there a better way to, to, I

3732
01:55:52,100 --> 01:55:53,100
guess, transmit that, to

3733
01:55:53,100 --> 01:55:55,100
communicate that than what we

3734
01:55:55,100 --> 01:55:57,100
have done?

3735
01:55:57,100 --> 01:55:59,100
>> If, if I may, County

3736
01:55:59,100 --> 01:56:00,100
Supervisors and Chair, I do

3737
01:56:00,100 --> 01:56:01,100
want

3738
01:56:01,100 --> 01:56:02,100
to give a little more

3739
01:56:02,100 --> 01:56:03,100
background to what Dan had

3740
01:56:03,100 --> 01:56:05,100
actually said as well. So we do

3741
01:56:05,100 --> 01:56:07,100
have, this is our local

3742
01:56:07,100 --> 01:56:08,100
ordinance, correct? So, this is

3743
01:56:08,100 --> 01:56:10,100
what we do

3744
01:56:10,100 --> 01:56:11,100
for the county. A lot of what

3745
01:56:11,100 --> 01:56:13,100
we do already is what state

3746
01:56:13,100 --> 01:56:14,100
requires,

3747
01:56:14,100 --> 01:56:16,100
what the feds require. And as

3748
01:56:16,100 --> 01:56:17,100
Dan said,

3749
01:56:17,100 --> 01:56:18,100
now we're just putting it

3750
01:56:18,100 --> 01:56:19,100
in writing. We have

3751
01:56:19,100 --> 01:56:20,100
to do it anyways,

3752
01:56:20,100 --> 01:56:21,100
and now here it is

3753
01:56:21,100 --> 01:56:22,100
in a document. So what we're

3754
01:56:22,100 --> 01:56:23,100
doing, what we're enforcing our

3755
01:56:23,100 --> 01:56:25,100
local ordinance is by adding

3756
01:56:25,100 --> 01:56:26,100
additional things we could do

3757
01:56:26,100 --> 01:56:28,100
for enforcement and those types

3758
01:56:28,100 --> 01:56:29,100
of things

3759
01:56:29,100 --> 01:56:31,100
to better monitor the mines.

3760
01:56:31,100 --> 01:56:33,100
So that's what we're trying

3761
01:56:33,100 --> 01:56:34,100
to want

3762
01:56:34,100 --> 01:56:35,100
to get that information as well

3763
01:56:35,100 --> 01:56:37,100
in in this in this document.

3764
01:56:37,100 --> 01:56:38,100
There are other agencies that

3765
01:56:38,100 --> 01:56:39,100
are that are also involved.

3766
01:56:39,100 --> 01:56:41,100
They have

3767
01:56:41,100 --> 01:56:43,100
to get permits through DMR

3768
01:56:43,100 --> 01:56:45,100
through Air Quality

3769
01:56:45,100 --> 01:56:46,100
Management District. There's a

3770
01:56:46,100 --> 01:56:47,100
bunch of different agencies

3771
01:56:47,100 --> 01:56:48,100
that they have

3772
01:56:48,100 --> 01:56:49,100
to also get compliance with,

3773
01:56:49,100 --> 01:56:50,100
not just the county, not just

3774
01:56:50,100 --> 01:56:51,100
with the state or federal

3775
01:56:51,100 --> 01:56:52,100
level. This will also,

3776
01:56:52,100 --> 01:56:54,100
currently, when you have a

3777
01:56:54,100 --> 01:56:55,100
project, a mine,

3778
01:56:55,100 --> 01:56:57,100
if you have a reclamation plan,

3779
01:56:57,100 --> 01:56:58,100
you still have to come

3780
01:56:58,100 --> 01:56:59,100
through the County of San

3781
01:56:59,100 --> 01:57:00,100
Bernardino

3782
01:57:00,100 --> 01:57:01,100
to get your permit,

3783
01:57:01,100 --> 01:57:02,100
get your conditional use

3784
01:57:02,100 --> 01:57:03,100
permit, and none

3785
01:57:03,100 --> 01:57:05,100
of that is changing. There is

3786
01:57:05,100 --> 01:57:07,100
an environmental review that's

3787
01:57:07,100 --> 01:57:08,100
for that specific project as

3788
01:57:08,100 --> 01:57:09,100
well. that will have

3789
01:57:09,100 --> 01:57:10,100
to be done, and it will have

3790
01:57:10,100 --> 01:57:11,100
to be reviewed

3791
01:57:11,100 --> 01:57:12,100
for the environmental

3792
01:57:12,100 --> 01:57:14,100
for rec plans or a new mine

3793
01:57:14,100 --> 01:57:15,100
in the county. So, all that

3794
01:57:15,100 --> 01:57:18,100
will still remain the same.

3795
01:57:19,100 --> 01:57:20,100
That is,

3796
01:57:20,100 --> 01:57:21,100
that is not changing. We do

3797
01:57:21,100 --> 01:57:22,100
have current mines

3798
01:57:22,100 --> 01:57:24,100
in the county that are going

3799
01:57:24,100 --> 01:57:25,100
through this process. We've had

3800
01:57:25,100 --> 01:57:27,100
a lot of communication

3801
01:57:27,100 --> 01:57:28,100
with the public. When you,

3802
01:57:28,100 --> 01:57:31,100
when you have a specific mine

3803
01:57:31,100 --> 01:57:32,100
or location, there is

3804
01:57:32,100 --> 01:57:33,100
notification that's done

3805
01:57:33,100 --> 01:57:35,100
for that project. There is

3806
01:57:35,100 --> 01:57:37,100
environmental review. There is

3807
01:57:37,100 --> 01:57:39,100
scoping meetings for

3808
01:57:39,100 --> 01:57:40,100
environmental impact reports if

3809
01:57:40,100 --> 01:57:41,100
that's required as well. So,

3810
01:57:41,100 --> 01:57:43,100
there is still that same

3811
01:57:43,100 --> 01:57:44,100
process that will be

3812
01:57:44,100 --> 01:57:47,100
in place as well. Wanted

3813
01:57:48,100 --> 01:57:49,100
to make that clear because

3814
01:57:49,100 --> 01:57:50,100
of what, I'm not sure if there

3815
01:57:50,100 --> 01:57:51,100
was, sounds

3816
01:57:51,100 --> 01:57:53,100
like there's miscommunication

3817
01:57:53,100 --> 01:57:54,100
with we're taking all

3818
01:57:54,100 --> 01:57:55,100
environmental review out of

3819
01:57:55,100 --> 01:57:56,100
at least the county process,

3820
01:57:56,100 --> 01:57:57,100
but that still will be reviewed

3821
01:57:57,100 --> 01:57:59,100
through the county.

3822
01:57:59,100 --> 01:58:00,100
>> I think I can help explain.

3823
01:58:00,100 --> 01:58:02,100
So, Music Valley Mine is a

3824
01:58:02,100 --> 01:58:04,100
proposed mine out in the

3825
01:58:04,100 --> 01:58:05,100
Twentynine Palms, Wonder

3826
01:58:05,100 --> 01:58:07,100
Valley area that abuts the

3827
01:58:07,100 --> 01:58:08,100
national park. There has been a

3828
01:58:08,100 --> 01:58:10,100
lot of concern

3829
01:58:10,100 --> 01:58:12,100
about what that may or may not

3830
01:58:12,100 --> 01:58:13,100
be, and that's not

3831
01:58:13,100 --> 01:58:14,100
before the county

3832
01:58:14,100 --> 01:58:15,100
at this time. But that is where

3833
01:58:15,100 --> 01:58:17,100
I think you feel the heartfelt

3834
01:58:17,100 --> 01:58:18,100
concern from the community.

3835
01:58:18,100 --> 01:58:21,100
And with this, is this related

3836
01:58:21,100 --> 01:58:23,100
to that or not? You say it's

3837
01:58:23,100 --> 01:58:24,100
not,

3838
01:58:24,100 --> 01:58:25,100
not everybody believes that.

3839
01:58:25,100 --> 01:58:27,100
And so, there is substantial

3840
01:58:27,100 --> 01:58:29,100
community concern. I,

3841
01:58:30,100 --> 01:58:31,100
I have a question for you that

3842
01:58:31,100 --> 01:58:34,100
I believe this is strengthen

3843
01:58:34,100 --> 01:58:35,100
our inspection, reclamation,

3844
01:58:35,100 --> 01:58:36,100
financial assurances,

3845
01:58:36,100 --> 01:58:38,100
and enforcement authority, or

3846
01:58:38,100 --> 01:58:41,100
do the proposed changes weaken

3847
01:58:41,100 --> 01:58:42,100
it? I mean, I heard Curt ask

3848
01:58:42,100 --> 01:58:44,100
that, but can you clarify that

3849
01:58:44,100 --> 01:58:45,100
this strengthens it,

3850
01:58:45,100 --> 01:58:47,100
doesn't weaken it?

3851
01:58:47,100 --> 01:58:48,100
>> Yeah, what this does is,

3852
01:58:48,100 --> 01:58:50,100
like I said, it organizes it

3853
01:58:50,100 --> 01:58:51,100
better and it gives it more

3854
01:58:51,100 --> 01:58:53,100
teeth. I think I explained it

3855
01:58:53,100 --> 01:58:55,100
at Planning Commission this

3856
01:58:55,100 --> 01:58:57,100
way. The operators that want

3857
01:58:57,100 --> 01:58:58,100
to be good stewards

3858
01:58:58,100 --> 01:59:00,100
of the land, that want to work

3859
01:59:00,100 --> 01:59:01,100
with the county and be in

3860
01:59:01,100 --> 01:59:02,100
compliance because that's what

3861
01:59:02,100 --> 01:59:04,100
makes their business plan work.

3862
01:59:04,100 --> 01:59:05,100
They don't want to. They want

3863
01:59:05,100 --> 01:59:06,100
to know what they're getting

3864
01:59:06,100 --> 01:59:08,100
into. They want to know exactly

3865
01:59:08,100 --> 01:59:10,100
what happens if they do this or

3866
01:59:10,100 --> 01:59:12,100
don't do this, right? That's

3867
01:59:12,100 --> 01:59:13,100
how they set a business plan.

3868
01:59:13,100 --> 01:59:15,100
That's how they make a profit,

3869
01:59:15,100 --> 01:59:16,100
right? The good operators want

3870
01:59:16,100 --> 01:59:17,100
to stay

3871
01:59:17,100 --> 01:59:19,100
in compliance because being

3872
01:59:19,100 --> 01:59:20,100
out

3873
01:59:20,100 --> 01:59:21,100
of compliance doesn't pay.

3874
01:59:21,100 --> 01:59:23,100
This ordinance will hold their

3875
01:59:23,100 --> 01:59:24,100
feet to the fire. Will hold

3876
01:59:24,100 --> 01:59:26,100
them accountable to any kind

3877
01:59:26,100 --> 01:59:28,100
of indiscretions they have

3878
01:59:28,100 --> 01:59:30,100
on their site. And it makes it

3879
01:59:30,100 --> 01:59:32,100
easier for my staff, my

3880
01:59:32,100 --> 01:59:33,000
inspectors, to,

3881
01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:35,100
to identify the violations,

3882
01:59:35,100 --> 01:59:37,100
to give them notices

3883
01:59:37,100 --> 01:59:38,100
of violation, orders

3884
01:59:38,100 --> 01:59:40,100
to comply, and go up on, on up

3885
01:59:40,100 --> 01:59:42,100
to the ladder until we're,

3886
01:59:42,100 --> 01:59:44,100
until there's administrative

3887
01:59:44,100 --> 01:59:45,100
fees, penalties. and potential

3888
01:59:45,100 --> 01:59:47,401
for losing their approval

3889
01:59:48,100 --> 01:59:50,100
for their reclamation plan.

3890
01:59:50,100 --> 01:59:51,100
>> Well, here's a more

3891
01:59:51,100 --> 01:59:52,100
simplistic question, I think,

3892
01:59:52,100 --> 01:59:53,100
from the community. If we don't

3893
01:59:53,100 --> 01:59:54,100
adopt this today, does Music

3894
01:59:54,100 --> 01:59:55,100
Valley Mine, if it were

3895
01:59:55,100 --> 01:59:57,100
to move forward,

3896
01:59:57,100 --> 01:59:58,100
have less control at the county

3897
01:59:58,100 --> 01:59:59,100
level or more control

3898
01:59:59,100 --> 02:00:00,100
at the county level?

3899
02:00:00,100 --> 02:00:01,100
>> It has the same. It has the

3900
02:00:01,100 --> 02:00:03,100
same as we've had all along.

3901
02:00:03,100 --> 02:00:05,100
All right, what, what the new

3902
02:00:05,100 --> 02:00:07,100
ordinance does is kind of what

3903
02:00:07,100 --> 02:00:09,100
the old ordinance didn't do.

3904
02:00:09,100 --> 02:00:10,100
It didn't bring

3905
02:00:10,100 --> 02:00:11,100
in that language from the 1992

3906
02:00:11,100 --> 02:00:12,100
MOU,

3907
02:00:12,100 --> 02:00:14,100
that agreement that spelled out

3908
02:00:14,100 --> 02:00:16,100
what the different authority

3909
02:00:16,100 --> 02:00:19,100
was on federal land. So, Music

3910
02:00:19,100 --> 02:00:20,100
Valley, when it comes

3911
02:00:20,100 --> 02:00:22,100
into the county, yes,

3912
02:00:22,100 --> 02:00:24,100
we will do how we do

3913
02:00:24,100 --> 02:00:25,100
on every project

3914
02:00:25,100 --> 02:00:26,100
on federal land. We work

3915
02:00:26,100 --> 02:00:27,100
with BLM or U.S. Forest

3916
02:00:27,100 --> 02:00:29,401
Service to coordinate a

3917
02:00:30,100 --> 02:00:32,100
collaborative review

3918
02:00:32,100 --> 02:00:35,100
of both NEPA and CEQA. And if

3919
02:00:35,100 --> 02:00:36,100
we get documents and studies

3920
02:00:36,100 --> 02:00:38,100
that don't meet the

3921
02:00:38,100 --> 02:00:40,100
requirements of CEQA, then we

3922
02:00:40,100 --> 02:00:42,401
will keep giving review

3923
02:00:43,100 --> 02:00:45,100
comments. Over and over

3924
02:00:45,100 --> 02:00:46,100
until that does rise

3925
02:00:46,100 --> 02:00:49,100
to that standard. And only then,

3926
02:00:49,100 --> 02:00:52,100
is when we can approve the

3927
02:00:52,100 --> 02:00:54,100
reclamation plan. Now remember,

3928
02:00:54,100 --> 02:00:55,100
there's 3 parts. There's 3

3929
02:00:55,100 --> 02:00:56,100
parts

3930
02:00:56,100 --> 02:00:57,100
of a mining operation approval.

3931
02:00:57,100 --> 02:00:59,100
There's the permit,

3932
02:00:59,100 --> 02:01:00,100
there's the reclamation plan,

3933
02:01:00,100 --> 02:01:01,100
and there's the financial

3934
02:01:01,100 --> 02:01:03,100
assurances, okay? So, we have

3935
02:01:03,100 --> 02:01:06,100
control of reclamation plan and

3936
02:01:06,100 --> 02:01:07,100
financial assurances,

3937
02:01:07,100 --> 02:01:09,100
but we have, authority

3938
02:01:09,100 --> 02:01:11,100
to review the whole project

3939
02:01:11,100 --> 02:01:13,100
in its entirety. We're not

3940
02:01:13,100 --> 02:01:14,100
putting blinders

3941
02:01:14,100 --> 02:01:16,100
on reclamation. Okay,

3942
02:01:16,100 --> 02:01:18,100
on federal land, we review the

3943
02:01:18,100 --> 02:01:19,100
whole, that means offsite,

3944
02:01:19,100 --> 02:01:20,100
haul roads, means going

3945
02:01:20,100 --> 02:01:21,100
through town,

3946
02:01:21,100 --> 02:01:22,100
whatever the truck traffic is,

3947
02:01:22,100 --> 02:01:23,100
emissions, and all that.

3948
02:01:23,100 --> 02:01:26,100
That's all part of CEQA. And

3949
02:01:26,100 --> 02:01:27,100
these studies have to answer

3950
02:01:27,100 --> 02:01:29,100
all those questions that CEQA

3951
02:01:29,100 --> 02:01:31,100
asks. Okay, otherwise,

3952
02:01:32,100 --> 02:01:33,100
they don't get a reclamation

3953
02:01:33,100 --> 02:01:35,100
plan, which means their permit

3954
02:01:35,100 --> 02:01:37,100
is worthless.

3955
02:01:37,100 --> 02:01:38,100
>> But if we don't adopt this

3956
02:01:38,100 --> 02:01:40,100
at some point today or

3957
02:01:40,100 --> 02:01:41,100
otherwise, then we're

3958
02:01:41,100 --> 02:01:43,100
relinquishing our authority

3959
02:01:43,100 --> 02:01:45,100
to have that. We're giving it

3960
02:01:45,100 --> 02:01:46,100
to the state and the federal

3961
02:01:46,100 --> 02:01:47,100
government,

3962
02:01:47,100 --> 02:01:48,100
and then we have no say.

3963
02:01:48,100 --> 02:01:49,100
>> Correct.

3964
02:01:49,100 --> 02:01:50,100
>> That's correct?

3965
02:01:50,100 --> 02:01:51,100
>> Yes.

3966
02:01:51,100 --> 02:01:52,100
>> Okay.

3967
02:01:52,100 --> 02:01:53,100
>> Well, we would,

3968
02:01:53,100 --> 02:01:54,100
we would still be CEQA lead

3969
02:01:54,100 --> 02:01:56,100
agency, but we would not be

3970
02:01:56,100 --> 02:01:57,100
SMARA lead agency.

3971
02:01:57,100 --> 02:01:58,100
>> Okay.

3972
02:01:58,100 --> 02:01:59,100
>> So we couldn't regulate the

3973
02:01:59,100 --> 02:02:01,100
mines.

3974
02:02:04,100 --> 02:02:06,100
>> For, for.

3975
02:02:07,100 --> 02:02:08,100
>> No, we went in order.

3976
02:02:08,100 --> 02:02:09,100
>> All intensive.

3977
02:02:09,100 --> 02:02:11,100
>> He's been waiting.

3978
02:02:11,100 --> 02:02:13,100
>> I had my had my. All right,

3979
02:02:13,100 --> 02:02:14,100
forget it.

3980
02:02:14,100 --> 02:02:17,100
>> Mine is very. I feel like

3981
02:02:17,100 --> 02:02:19,401
this is something, no

3982
02:02:20,100 --> 02:02:21,100
one's going

3983
02:02:21,100 --> 02:02:23,100
to be completely happy

3984
02:02:23,100 --> 02:02:24,100
from the look in the room that

3985
02:02:24,100 --> 02:02:25,100
I'm seeing and want

3986
02:02:25,100 --> 02:02:26,100
to change. We have to do this

3987
02:02:26,100 --> 02:02:28,100
change is my understanding

3988
02:02:28,100 --> 02:02:31,100
of this. But what I have to say

3989
02:02:31,100 --> 02:02:34,100
is this has been terribly

3990
02:02:34,100 --> 02:02:35,100
communicated to the public

3991
02:02:35,100 --> 02:02:38,100
in understanding what we have

3992
02:02:38,100 --> 02:02:39,100
to do, what we don't have

3993
02:02:39,100 --> 02:02:42,100
to do and getting them

3994
02:02:42,100 --> 02:02:43,100
to understand what we're trying

3995
02:02:43,100 --> 02:02:45,100
to accomplish here. I, I think

3996
02:02:45,100 --> 02:02:47,100
we totally dropped the ball on

3997
02:02:47,100 --> 02:02:49,100
that. I think you're a super

3998
02:02:49,100 --> 02:02:51,100
smart guy. I just think that

3999
02:02:51,100 --> 02:02:54,100
how this was presented didn't

4000
02:02:54,100 --> 02:02:55,100
give anyone any confidence

4001
02:02:55,100 --> 02:02:57,100
here.

4002
02:02:58,100 --> 02:02:59,100
to understand what we're trying

4003
02:02:59,100 --> 02:03:00,100
to accomplish here. Like, I get

4004
02:03:00,100 --> 02:03:03,100
what you're saying. I just

4005
02:03:03,100 --> 02:03:04,100
think, I don't,

4006
02:03:04,100 --> 02:03:05,100
and I don't know how

4007
02:03:05,100 --> 02:03:07,100
to fix that. I don't know how

4008
02:03:07,100 --> 02:03:08,100
to change perception

4009
02:03:08,100 --> 02:03:10,100
from the public to say,

4010
02:03:10,100 --> 02:03:11,100
here's what we're doing,

4011
02:03:11,100 --> 02:03:12,100
here's what we're trying

4012
02:03:12,100 --> 02:03:13,100
to accomplish. And I think no

4013
02:03:13,100 --> 02:03:15,100
matter how we vote today.

4014
02:03:15,100 --> 02:03:17,100
We're going to have people not

4015
02:03:17,100 --> 02:03:20,100
happy because we really failed

4016
02:03:20,100 --> 02:03:23,601
in the outreach. And I think

4017
02:03:24,100 --> 02:03:25,100
it's too far

4018
02:03:25,100 --> 02:03:26,100
to fix now. I think we're going

4019
02:03:26,100 --> 02:03:27,100
to have to just deal

4020
02:03:27,100 --> 02:03:28,100
with it and do what we're

4021
02:03:28,100 --> 02:03:30,100
doing. But I just think

4022
02:03:30,100 --> 02:03:31,100
in future, or even

4023
02:03:31,100 --> 02:03:32,100
after this,

4024
02:03:32,100 --> 02:03:33,100
whether it's a yes or no,

4025
02:03:33,100 --> 02:03:34,100
we need to go back

4026
02:03:34,100 --> 02:03:36,100
to the public and explain

4027
02:03:36,100 --> 02:03:37,100
to them. And if it has

4028
02:03:37,100 --> 02:03:39,100
to come back again and refine,

4029
02:03:39,100 --> 02:03:40,100
to refine it so that there's

4030
02:03:40,100 --> 02:03:41,100
some comfort,

4031
02:03:41,100 --> 02:03:42,100
then let's so be it. Like,

4032
02:03:42,100 --> 02:03:43,100
let's really be on top

4033
02:03:43,100 --> 02:03:44,100
of this. Let's, let's get

4034
02:03:44,100 --> 02:03:45,100
to where we need to go,

4035
02:03:45,100 --> 02:03:46,100
but we need to really have real

4036
02:03:46,100 --> 02:03:48,100
true dialogue

4037
02:03:48,100 --> 02:03:49,100
with the stakeholders that are

4038
02:03:49,100 --> 02:03:50,100
out here who obviously have a

4039
02:03:50,100 --> 02:03:52,100
concern.

4040
02:03:53,100 --> 02:03:54,100
And see how we can tweak it

4041
02:03:54,100 --> 02:03:55,100
in a way that gives them,

4042
02:03:55,100 --> 02:03:57,100
maybe, maybe they're not going

4043
02:03:57,100 --> 02:03:58,100
to be 100% happy no matter

4044
02:03:58,100 --> 02:04:00,100
what. I can't change that.

4045
02:04:00,100 --> 02:04:01,100
But give them some sort

4046
02:04:01,100 --> 02:04:02,100
of comfort to find that happy

4047
02:04:02,100 --> 02:04:04,100
medium that we could all

4048
02:04:04,100 --> 02:04:05,100
swallow the pill and deal

4049
02:04:05,100 --> 02:04:06,100
with what we need

4050
02:04:06,100 --> 02:04:07,100
to deal with. You know, the

4051
02:04:07,100 --> 02:04:08,100
people who have the signs up

4052
02:04:08,100 --> 02:04:09,100
who are like, this is not here,

4053
02:04:09,100 --> 02:04:10,100
let's find a way

4054
02:04:10,100 --> 02:04:11,100
to make that question here.

4055
02:04:11,100 --> 02:04:13,100
Let's, let's put that very

4056
02:04:13,100 --> 02:04:14,100
clear for them so that they

4057
02:04:14,100 --> 02:04:15,100
understand that we are

4058
02:04:15,100 --> 02:04:16,100
addressing their concerns. And

4059
02:04:16,100 --> 02:04:18,100
those are all my comments.

4060
02:04:18,100 --> 02:04:20,100
>> Supervisor Cook.

4061
02:04:22,100 --> 02:04:25,100
>> Yeah, I don't think you're

4062
02:04:26,100 --> 02:04:27,100
going

4063
02:04:27,100 --> 02:04:29,100
to understand the problem

4064
02:04:29,100 --> 02:04:31,100
on this board here until we

4065
02:04:31,100 --> 02:04:35,100
pack up our gear and we go

4066
02:04:35,100 --> 02:04:37,100
out there in the middle

4067
02:04:37,100 --> 02:04:40,601
of the day at 12 noon. Unless

4068
02:04:42,100 --> 02:04:44,100
you have been out there You

4069
02:04:44,100 --> 02:04:47,100
will never understand it. The

4070
02:04:47,100 --> 02:04:49,401
desert is very unforgiving.

4071
02:04:50,100 --> 02:04:52,100
Now, I don't know who's been

4072
02:04:52,100 --> 02:04:54,100
out there. I've been

4073
02:04:54,100 --> 02:04:56,100
out there more times than I

4074
02:04:56,100 --> 02:04:59,100
want to remember. It's brutal,

4075
02:04:59,100 --> 02:05:01,401
particularly in the summer.

4076
02:05:02,100 --> 02:05:05,601
And any type of changes that

4077
02:05:06,100 --> 02:05:07,100
you have there that doesn't

4078
02:05:07,100 --> 02:05:08,100
take

4079
02:05:08,100 --> 02:05:10,401
into consideration safety. You

4080
02:05:11,100 --> 02:05:12,100
cannot have people wandering

4081
02:05:12,100 --> 02:05:14,100
around there or they're going

4082
02:05:14,100 --> 02:05:16,100
to die. And there's a long

4083
02:05:16,100 --> 02:05:17,100
history of the number

4084
02:05:17,100 --> 02:05:19,100
of people that have died,

4085
02:05:19,100 --> 02:05:22,100
maybe not in that slice

4086
02:05:22,100 --> 02:05:23,100
of the desert,

4087
02:05:23,100 --> 02:05:25,100
but anywhere else. Very, very

4088
02:05:25,100 --> 02:05:27,100
unforgiving. So, I'm,

4089
02:05:28,100 --> 02:05:30,100
I'm very sensitive

4090
02:05:30,100 --> 02:05:32,100
to this. I thought it's part of

4091
02:05:32,100 --> 02:05:35,100
the best training area. I

4092
02:05:35,100 --> 02:05:36,100
probably swore more than I ever

4093
02:05:36,100 --> 02:05:38,100
did when I was

4094
02:05:38,100 --> 02:05:40,100
out there. Because

4095
02:05:41,100 --> 02:05:43,100
it's so damn hot and very

4096
02:05:43,100 --> 02:05:45,100
unforgiving. Now, I'm

4097
02:05:45,100 --> 02:05:47,401
sympathetic, but I also,

4098
02:05:50,100 --> 02:05:54,201
I don't know, want to make sure

4099
02:05:56,100 --> 02:05:59,601
that we don't change what they

4100
02:06:00,100 --> 02:06:03,601
have there as a training area,

4101
02:06:04,100 --> 02:06:07,100
a live, live-fire training area.

4102
02:06:08,100 --> 02:06:09,100
And I'll be honest with you,

4103
02:06:09,100 --> 02:06:11,100
because it's live-fire,

4104
02:06:11,100 --> 02:06:13,100
accidents happen. And there,

4105
02:06:13,100 --> 02:06:14,100
I don't have a list today

4106
02:06:14,100 --> 02:06:15,100
of the number

4107
02:06:15,100 --> 02:06:17,100
of people that have been killed

4108
02:06:17,100 --> 02:06:20,100
out there. And not just because

4109
02:06:20,100 --> 02:06:21,100
you're operating in an

4110
02:06:21,100 --> 02:06:22,100
environment where when it's

4111
02:06:22,100 --> 02:06:24,100
120 in the shade or so,

4112
02:06:24,100 --> 02:06:25,100
you're going

4113
02:06:25,100 --> 02:06:27,100
to make mistakes, and you got

4114
02:06:27,100 --> 02:06:30,100
to always be vigilant. All I'm

4115
02:06:30,100 --> 02:06:31,100
worried about is when we handle

4116
02:06:31,100 --> 02:06:33,100
this problem here,

4117
02:06:33,100 --> 02:06:35,100
I think we got to be very, very

4118
02:06:35,100 --> 02:06:37,100
aware that this is not an

4119
02:06:37,100 --> 02:06:40,601
ordinary piece of land. And so,

4120
02:06:42,100 --> 02:06:43,100
I, I'm very protective

4121
02:06:43,100 --> 02:06:45,100
of it because I want it

4122
02:06:45,100 --> 02:06:47,100
to be maintained as one of the

4123
02:06:47,100 --> 02:06:50,100
few training areas that the

4124
02:06:50,100 --> 02:06:52,100
armed forces of the United

4125
02:06:52,100 --> 02:06:54,401
States has live-fire training

4126
02:06:55,100 --> 02:06:56,100
area. You can't do that

4127
02:06:56,100 --> 02:06:59,100
anywhere else because you don't

4128
02:06:59,100 --> 02:07:02,100
have that much. It's not,

4129
02:07:03,100 --> 02:07:07,100
it is a huge, huge area. And

4130
02:07:07,100 --> 02:07:10,100
so, I don't know. Right now,

4131
02:07:10,100 --> 02:07:12,100
I'm not prepared to vote

4132
02:07:12,100 --> 02:07:16,100
for this. And I think we need

4133
02:07:16,100 --> 02:07:18,401
more conversations. And if,

4134
02:07:21,100 --> 02:07:23,100
if you guys got the guts,

4135
02:07:23,100 --> 02:07:25,100
let's go out on a high day,

4136
02:07:25,100 --> 02:07:27,100
high note, and bring your beer

4137
02:07:27,100 --> 02:07:28,100
or what have you. And

4138
02:07:28,100 --> 02:07:29,100
we'll go out there and we'll

4139
02:07:29,100 --> 02:07:32,100
see what the real desert is

4140
02:07:32,100 --> 02:07:34,100
like. I'm done.

4141
02:07:35,100 --> 02:07:36,100
>> Question for you all.

4142
02:07:36,100 --> 02:07:37,100
There's a lady sitting

4143
02:07:37,100 --> 02:07:39,100
behind you. She was very

4144
02:07:39,100 --> 02:07:40,100
well-spoken and kind

4145
02:07:40,100 --> 02:07:41,100
in a yellow shirt, and she had

4146
02:07:41,100 --> 02:07:43,100
3 questions for us. I don't

4147
02:07:43,100 --> 02:07:44,100
necessarily think that I got

4148
02:07:44,100 --> 02:07:46,100
them answered today. I thought

4149
02:07:46,100 --> 02:07:47,100
her approach was very

4150
02:07:47,100 --> 02:07:48,100
reasonable. We heard lots of

4151
02:07:48,100 --> 02:07:51,100
public comment. I don't know

4152
02:07:51,100 --> 02:07:53,100
that we have addressed some of

4153
02:07:53,100 --> 02:07:54,100
the things that you probably

4154
02:07:54,100 --> 02:07:56,100
view as misinformation, and

4155
02:07:56,100 --> 02:07:58,100
there are still questions

4156
02:07:58,100 --> 02:07:59,100
pending that I would

4157
02:07:59,100 --> 02:08:00,100
like answered. What I would

4158
02:08:00,100 --> 02:08:02,100
suggest that we do is I'm going

4159
02:08:02,100 --> 02:08:04,100
to close the public hearing,

4160
02:08:04,100 --> 02:08:05,100
which will close the public

4161
02:08:05,100 --> 02:08:06,100
comment, ask you to return

4162
02:08:06,100 --> 02:08:08,100
to us at a date certain that

4163
02:08:08,100 --> 02:08:10,100
you determine that you can make

4164
02:08:10,100 --> 02:08:12,100
the additional comments that we

4165
02:08:12,100 --> 02:08:15,100
heard from the, the entity.

4166
02:08:15,100 --> 02:08:18,100
And I wrote his name down,

4167
02:08:18,100 --> 02:08:19,100
Krystian Lahage.

4168
02:08:19,100 --> 02:08:21,100
Thank you.

4169
02:08:21,100 --> 02:08:22,100
The, the additional

4170
02:08:22,100 --> 02:08:23,100
language, what you can fit into

4171
02:08:23,100 --> 02:08:24,100
the ordinance that will not

4172
02:08:24,100 --> 02:08:27,100
mess up the MOU, and to address

4173
02:08:27,100 --> 02:08:28,100
the questions that we've heard

4174
02:08:28,100 --> 02:08:29,100
here today that I thought were

4175
02:08:29,100 --> 02:08:32,100
very reasonable. And put them

4176
02:08:32,100 --> 02:08:34,100
together and come back

4177
02:08:34,100 --> 02:08:36,100
to a board meeting. It is a

4178
02:08:36,100 --> 02:08:37,100
long drive down from Wonder

4179
02:08:37,100 --> 02:08:38,100
Valley. I know that they can

4180
02:08:38,100 --> 02:08:39,100
tune in on YouTube

4181
02:08:39,100 --> 02:08:40,100
to get those answers,

4182
02:08:40,100 --> 02:08:42,100
and we can do a much better job

4183
02:08:42,100 --> 02:08:43,100
of reviewing all the questions

4184
02:08:43,100 --> 02:08:44,100
that we've heard here today

4185
02:08:44,100 --> 02:08:46,100
to get answers. If there is

4186
02:08:46,100 --> 02:08:47,100
misinformation,

4187
02:08:47,100 --> 02:08:48,100
to correct it, and that is the

4188
02:08:48,100 --> 02:08:50,100
minimum that we need to do for

4189
02:08:50,100 --> 02:08:51,100
our residents that have taken

4190
02:08:51,100 --> 02:08:52,100
the time

4191
02:08:52,100 --> 02:08:53,100
to provide thoughtful input.

4192
02:08:53,100 --> 02:08:54,100
And then also for you to make

4193
02:08:54,100 --> 02:08:55,100
the changes that are possible

4194
02:08:55,100 --> 02:08:57,100
to make based

4195
02:08:57,100 --> 02:08:59,100
on the public input today. So

4196
02:08:59,100 --> 02:09:01,100
that would be my recommendation

4197
02:09:01,100 --> 02:09:03,100
to close the public hearing,

4198
02:09:03,100 --> 02:09:05,100
have staff return at a date you

4199
02:09:05,100 --> 02:09:07,100
contemplate it now. I know that

4200
02:09:07,100 --> 02:09:08,100
some of our meetings are a

4201
02:09:08,100 --> 02:09:10,100
little bit more densely packed

4202
02:09:10,100 --> 02:09:11,100
in the near future. If you

4203
02:09:11,100 --> 02:09:12,100
gentlemen want to look

4204
02:09:12,100 --> 02:09:13,100
at the calendar on when you

4205
02:09:13,100 --> 02:09:15,100
think you can bring the public

4206
02:09:15,100 --> 02:09:17,100
hearing back so that the public

4207
02:09:17,100 --> 02:09:18,100
knows when to tune in, I can

4208
02:09:18,100 --> 02:09:19,100
continue it if I have board

4209
02:09:19,100 --> 02:09:21,100
approval

4210
02:09:21,100 --> 02:09:22,100
to that date certain.

4211
02:09:22,100 --> 02:09:23,100
>> Yeah, I would,

4212
02:09:23,100 --> 02:09:26,100
I would second your motion,

4213
02:09:26,100 --> 02:09:27,100
but we really need

4214
02:09:27,100 --> 02:09:29,100
to have that outreach. I want

4215
02:09:29,100 --> 02:09:30,100
to emphasize, we need to make

4216
02:09:30,100 --> 02:09:32,100
sure that we have that outreach

4217
02:09:32,100 --> 02:09:34,100
to the community so that,

4218
02:09:34,100 --> 02:09:36,100
I'll be honest, I don't think

4219
02:09:36,100 --> 02:09:37,100
all your needs are going to be

4220
02:09:37,100 --> 02:09:38,100
met because there are legal

4221
02:09:38,100 --> 02:09:39,100
obligations that we have

4222
02:09:39,100 --> 02:09:40,100
to have.

4223
02:09:40,100 --> 02:09:41,100
But anything we can fit

4224
02:09:41,100 --> 02:09:42,100
in there, we should be trying

4225
02:09:42,100 --> 02:09:43,100
to fit in there to give people

4226
02:09:43,100 --> 02:09:44,100
the comfort that they need in

4227
02:09:44,100 --> 02:09:46,100
understanding this is just

4228
02:09:46,100 --> 02:09:47,100
merely a policy issue. This

4229
02:09:47,100 --> 02:09:48,100
isn't having

4230
02:09:48,100 --> 02:09:50,100
to go towards any development

4231
02:09:50,100 --> 02:09:52,100
in particular. So, make sure we

4232
02:09:52,100 --> 02:09:53,100
have that outreach.

4233
02:09:53,100 --> 02:09:54,100
>> And we have all, I mean,

4234
02:09:54,100 --> 02:09:55,100
I get them to my email. Every

4235
02:09:55,100 --> 02:09:56,100
public comment that came

4236
02:09:56,100 --> 02:09:58,100
in came to my email. So, if

4237
02:09:58,100 --> 02:09:59,100
your department doesn't have

4238
02:09:59,100 --> 02:10:00,100
the bandwidth,

4239
02:10:00,100 --> 02:10:01,100
then you can produce a

4240
02:10:01,100 --> 02:10:02,100
document, I will send it back

4241
02:10:02,100 --> 02:10:03,100
to everybody

4242
02:10:03,100 --> 02:10:04,100
to answer their questions. And

4243
02:10:04,100 --> 02:10:06,100
we can put it into a format of

4244
02:10:06,100 --> 02:10:07,100
frequently asked questions so

4245
02:10:07,100 --> 02:10:09,100
that we can either dispel

4246
02:10:09,100 --> 02:10:10,100
misinformation, clarify

4247
02:10:10,100 --> 02:10:12,100
misinformation, or

4248
02:10:12,100 --> 02:10:13,100
at least answer some of the

4249
02:10:13,100 --> 02:10:15,100
questions that we've heard here

4250
02:10:15,100 --> 02:10:16,100
today. Because I don't think

4251
02:10:16,100 --> 02:10:17,100
that any of us are satisfied

4252
02:10:17,100 --> 02:10:19,100
with the level. And then if you

4253
02:10:19,100 --> 02:10:22,100
can bring back those changes

4254
02:10:22,100 --> 02:10:24,100
within SMARA or our MOU that

4255
02:10:24,100 --> 02:10:26,100
you believe that we can do

4256
02:10:26,100 --> 02:10:27,100
without substantially rewriting

4257
02:10:27,100 --> 02:10:28,100
it that comply

4258
02:10:28,100 --> 02:10:29,100
with state law, At the

4259
02:10:29,100 --> 02:10:31,100
continued public hearing?

4260
02:10:32,100 --> 02:10:34,100
>> I would recommend that we

4261
02:10:34,100 --> 02:10:36,100
continue it to October 20th.

4262
02:10:36,100 --> 02:10:37,100
That would give us sufficient

4263
02:10:37,100 --> 02:10:38,100
time to engage

4264
02:10:38,100 --> 02:10:39,100
with the public. And also,

4265
02:10:39,100 --> 02:10:41,100
if the changes are recommended

4266
02:10:41,100 --> 02:10:43,100
to that would if the changes

4267
02:10:43,100 --> 02:10:45,100
had not been previously

4268
02:10:45,100 --> 02:10:46,100
considered by planning, we may

4269
02:10:46,100 --> 02:10:47,100
need to return the matter

4270
02:10:47,100 --> 02:10:48,100
to planning, and that would

4271
02:10:48,100 --> 02:10:50,100
give us sufficient time to do

4272
02:10:50,100 --> 02:10:51,100
that and then have planning

4273
02:10:51,100 --> 02:10:52,100
respond.

4274
02:10:52,100 --> 02:10:53,100
>> Very well.

4275
02:10:53,100 --> 02:10:54,100
>> Is that.

4276
02:10:54,100 --> 02:10:55,100
>> Chair, I'll make the motion

4277
02:10:55,100 --> 02:10:56,100
to continue October 20th.

4278
02:10:56,100 --> 02:10:57,100
>> Second.

4279
02:10:57,100 --> 02:10:58,100
>> 20.

4280
02:10:58,100 --> 02:11:00,100
>> to October 20th.

4281
02:11:00,100 --> 02:11:03,100
>> October 20th. So, close the

4282
02:11:03,100 --> 02:11:04,100
public comment,

4283
02:11:04,100 --> 02:11:06,100
continue the hearing until

4284
02:11:06,100 --> 02:11:07,100
October 20th. I have a motion

4285
02:11:07,100 --> 02:11:09,100
from Vice Chair Baca. Thank

4286
02:11:09,100 --> 02:11:11,100
you, Supervisor Hagman,

4287
02:11:11,100 --> 02:11:12,100
for the second. All those

4288
02:11:12,100 --> 02:11:13,100
in favor?

4289
02:11:13,100 --> 02:11:14,100
Aye.

4290
02:11:14,100 --> 02:11:16,100
Any opposed?

4291
02:11:18,100 --> 02:11:21,100
>> I don't know the motion that

4292
02:11:21,100 --> 02:11:24,601
I want, I don't know [INAUDIBLE]

4293
02:11:25,100 --> 02:11:26,100
how I can get that

4294
02:11:26,100 --> 02:11:28,100
in there.

4295
02:11:28,100 --> 02:11:29,100
>> Well, we have a majority

4296
02:11:29,100 --> 02:11:30,100
vote at this point.

4297
02:11:30,100 --> 02:11:32,100
>> Explain it without.

4298
02:11:32,100 --> 02:11:33,100
>> You're more than welcome to,

4299
02:11:33,100 --> 02:11:35,100
sure.

4300
02:11:35,100 --> 02:11:37,100
>> What I was going to suggest,

4301
02:11:37,100 --> 02:11:39,100
if you guys are gutsy enough,

4302
02:11:39,100 --> 02:11:42,100
is that we go out in the

4303
02:11:42,100 --> 02:11:45,100
Mojave Desert at 12 noon and,

4304
02:11:46,100 --> 02:11:49,100
and actually see what it's

4305
02:11:50,100 --> 02:11:51,100
like out there. When you're

4306
02:11:51,100 --> 02:11:53,100
there, physically there, it

4307
02:11:53,100 --> 02:11:56,100
really makes a big difference.

4308
02:11:56,100 --> 02:11:58,100
You don't have

4309
02:11:58,100 --> 02:12:01,100
to stay there that long, and

4310
02:12:01,100 --> 02:12:03,100
after the manager passes out,

4311
02:12:03,100 --> 02:12:05,100
then we'll stop someplace and

4312
02:12:05,100 --> 02:12:07,100
have a beer. But this way you

4313
02:12:07,100 --> 02:12:09,100
can actually see the physical

4314
02:12:09,100 --> 02:12:11,100
environment that we're talking

4315
02:12:11,100 --> 02:12:13,100
about. The desert is a very,

4316
02:12:13,100 --> 02:12:15,401
very unforgiving place. And

4317
02:12:16,100 --> 02:12:18,100
when you make decisions

4318
02:12:18,100 --> 02:12:20,100
on what you're going to do

4319
02:12:20,100 --> 02:12:21,100
out there, you better make sure

4320
02:12:21,100 --> 02:12:23,100
you do it right. That's all I'm

4321
02:12:23,100 --> 02:12:24,100
saying.

4322
02:12:24,100 --> 02:12:26,100
>> I appreciate that. In terms

4323
02:12:26,100 --> 02:12:28,100
of continuing this item

4324
02:12:28,100 --> 02:12:30,401
in addition to your,

4325
02:12:32,100 --> 02:12:33,100
and I'm all for it,

4326
02:12:33,100 --> 02:12:34,100
that's the backyard, so.

4327
02:12:34,100 --> 02:12:35,100
>> It would be fun.

4328
02:12:35,100 --> 02:12:36,100
>> It would be, but

4329
02:12:36,100 --> 02:12:38,100
in terms of this, if

4330
02:12:38,100 --> 02:12:40,401
>> It's 120, God, wouldn't it?

4331
02:12:46,100 --> 02:12:47,100
No, it's too cold.

4332
02:12:47,100 --> 02:12:48,100
>> Are you in, are you

4333
02:12:48,100 --> 02:12:49,100
in favor, Paul? Are you

4334
02:12:49,100 --> 02:12:50,100
in favor

4335
02:12:50,100 --> 02:12:51,100
of continuing this item to

4336
02:12:51,100 --> 02:12:53,100
October 20th so staff can do

4337
02:12:53,100 --> 02:12:54,100
further outreach, provide

4338
02:12:54,100 --> 02:12:55,100
clarification,

4339
02:12:55,100 --> 02:12:56,100
and then bring it back

4340
02:12:56,100 --> 02:12:57,100
to us?

4341
02:12:57,100 --> 02:12:58,100
>> Well, it's starting

4342
02:12:58,100 --> 02:12:59,100
to get cold out there. I want

4343
02:12:59,100 --> 02:13:00,100
to go

4344
02:13:00,100 --> 02:13:01,100
out there when it's hotter,

4345
02:13:01,100 --> 02:13:03,100
the better to understand.

4346
02:13:03,100 --> 02:13:04,100
>> Nothing's stopping that

4347
02:13:04,100 --> 02:13:06,100
from happening. Nothing will

4348
02:13:06,100 --> 02:13:07,100
stop that from happening.

4349
02:13:07,100 --> 02:13:09,100
>> Why? We're not a bunch

4350
02:13:09,100 --> 02:13:10,100
of candy asses. We can go out

4351
02:13:10,100 --> 02:13:13,100
there and see what it's like.

4352
02:13:13,100 --> 02:13:14,100
>> I need a yes. No or an

4353
02:13:14,100 --> 02:13:16,100
abstention?

4354
02:13:18,100 --> 02:13:20,100
>> A yes, no.

4355
02:13:20,100 --> 02:13:21,100
>> To continue.

4356
02:13:21,100 --> 02:13:23,401
>> To continue this item.

4357
02:13:24,100 --> 02:13:25,100
>> Yeah, he's telling me I can

4358
02:13:25,100 --> 02:13:27,100
continue it.

4359
02:13:27,100 --> 02:13:28,100
>> I'm going to take that as an

4360
02:13:28,100 --> 02:13:30,100
affirmative yes. Thank you.

4361
02:13:30,100 --> 02:13:32,100
>> So, Madam Chair, if I can

4362
02:13:32,100 --> 02:13:33,100
please confirm the motion that

4363
02:13:33,100 --> 02:13:35,100
we are continuing the closed

4364
02:13:35,100 --> 02:13:38,100
public hearing. So, we are

4365
02:13:38,100 --> 02:13:40,100
continuing the closed public

4366
02:13:40,100 --> 02:13:42,100
hearing to October 20th

4367
02:13:42,100 --> 02:13:43,100
to amend. For,

4368
02:13:43,100 --> 02:13:44,100
to allow staff to.

4369
02:13:44,100 --> 02:13:46,100
>> Yes. And then depending upon

4370
02:13:46,100 --> 02:13:48,100
what changes you recommend,

4371
02:13:48,100 --> 02:13:49,100
then it goes back to either

4372
02:13:49,100 --> 02:13:50,100
planning or it moves forward

4373
02:13:50,100 --> 02:13:53,100
to the board. Is that correct,

4374
02:13:53,100 --> 02:13:55,100
Laura?

4375
02:13:55,100 --> 02:13:56,100
>> Oh, depending on, yeah,

4376
02:13:56,100 --> 02:13:57,100
depending

4377
02:13:57,100 --> 02:13:58,100
on how substantial the changes,

4378
02:13:58,100 --> 02:13:59,100
it may need to return

4379
02:13:59,100 --> 02:14:00,100
to planning.

4380
02:14:00,100 --> 02:14:02,100
>> It also may need to return

4381
02:14:02,100 --> 02:14:03,100
to the State Mining and

4382
02:14:03,100 --> 02:14:04,100
Geology Board.

4383
02:14:04,100 --> 02:14:05,100
>> I'm sorry?

4384
02:14:05,100 --> 02:14:06,100
>> It also may need to state,

4385
02:14:06,100 --> 02:14:07,100
to return to the State Mining

4386
02:14:07,100 --> 02:14:09,100
and Geology Board. We'd rather

4387
02:14:09,100 --> 02:14:10,100
get their concurrence

4388
02:14:10,100 --> 02:14:11,100
before we approve it.

4389
02:14:11,100 --> 02:14:12,100
Otherwise, it's just going

4390
02:14:12,100 --> 02:14:13,100
to be.

4391
02:14:13,100 --> 02:14:14,100
>> I understand.

4392
02:14:14,100 --> 02:14:15,100
>> Back and forth.

4393
02:14:15,100 --> 02:14:16,100
>> Okay.

4394
02:14:16,100 --> 02:14:17,100
>> So, Madam Chair, I have one

4395
02:14:17,100 --> 02:14:19,100
just thing. You had mentioned,

4396
02:14:19,100 --> 02:14:20,100
Dan, that there was risk

4397
02:14:20,100 --> 02:14:23,100
of us losing our authority

4398
02:14:23,100 --> 02:14:25,100
within this window. Do you see

4399
02:14:25,100 --> 02:14:26,100
that as a risk over the next 2

4400
02:14:26,100 --> 02:14:28,100
months? This is not an imminent

4401
02:14:28,100 --> 02:14:29,100
risk.

4402
02:14:29,100 --> 02:14:30,100
>> No, I don't see that risk.

4403
02:14:30,100 --> 02:14:31,100
>> Okay.

4404
02:14:31,100 --> 02:14:33,100
>> Just so that.

4405
02:14:33,100 --> 02:14:34,100
>> All right. And for those

4406
02:14:34,100 --> 02:14:35,100
in the audience,

4407
02:14:35,100 --> 02:14:36,100
and I haven't. Final vote?

4408
02:14:36,100 --> 02:14:37,100
>> I don't,

4409
02:14:37,100 --> 02:14:38,100
I was just going to ask. I

4410
02:14:38,100 --> 02:14:39,100
don't believe we have a final

4411
02:14:39,100 --> 02:14:40,100
vote. Yes.

4412
02:14:40,100 --> 02:14:42,100
>> Okay. So to reiterate, all

4413
02:14:42,100 --> 02:14:43,100
those in favor

4414
02:14:43,100 --> 02:14:44,100
of continuing the public

4415
02:14:44,100 --> 02:14:46,100
hearing to October 20th, aye.

4416
02:14:46,100 --> 02:14:47,100
Any opposed? Any abstentions?

4417
02:14:47,100 --> 02:14:49,100
>> Thank you,

4418
02:14:49,100 --> 02:14:51,100
Madam Chair.

4419
02:14:53,100 --> 02:14:55,100
>> If you are here today and

4420
02:14:55,100 --> 02:14:57,100
you provided comment or

4421
02:14:57,100 --> 02:14:59,100
questions in writing,

4422
02:14:59,100 --> 02:15:00,100
we have them all. If you

4423
02:15:00,100 --> 02:15:02,100
verbally provided them,

4424
02:15:02,100 --> 02:15:04,100
I have a staff member in the

4425
02:15:04,100 --> 02:15:05,100
audience who is raising her

4426
02:15:05,100 --> 02:15:06,100
hand in the back

4427
02:15:06,100 --> 02:15:08,100
on your left. If you have

4428
02:15:08,100 --> 02:15:09,100
written comments, confide

4429
02:15:09,100 --> 02:15:10,100
to her. She can give you a

4430
02:15:10,100 --> 02:15:12,100
card. Email us those so we can

4431
02:15:12,100 --> 02:15:13,100
get, make sure that your

4432
02:15:13,100 --> 02:15:14,100
questions get answered. All

4433
02:15:14,100 --> 02:15:16,401
right. And with that,

4434
02:15:17,100 --> 02:15:18,100
we will move on

4435
02:15:18,100 --> 02:15:20,100
to our public comment

4436
02:15:20,100 --> 02:15:21,100
on items not

4437
02:15:21,100 --> 02:15:24,100
on today's agenda. And as a

4438
02:15:24,100 --> 02:15:25,100
reminder, as I stated

4439
02:15:25,100 --> 02:15:26,100
at the top of the meeting,

4440
02:15:26,100 --> 02:15:28,100
we have a number

4441
02:15:28,100 --> 02:15:30,100
of speakers both

4442
02:15:30,100 --> 02:15:31,100
on teleconference and

4443
02:15:31,100 --> 02:15:33,100
in person. Our public comment

4444
02:15:33,100 --> 02:15:34,100
on items not

4445
02:15:34,100 --> 02:15:35,100
on the agenda will be limited

4446
02:15:35,100 --> 02:15:37,100
to 2 minutes. And our first

4447
02:15:37,100 --> 02:15:40,100
request to speak is Bonnie

4448
02:15:40,100 --> 02:15:41,100
Hawthorne, followed by Denise

4449
02:15:41,100 --> 02:15:44,100
June Shearer, and then Keith.

4450
02:15:54,100 --> 02:15:55,100
>> I think that was some kind

4451
02:15:55,100 --> 02:15:57,100
of mistake because I've already

4452
02:15:57,100 --> 02:15:58,100
spoken. I spoke in regard to

4453
02:15:58,100 --> 02:16:01,100
76, so maybe I filled out the

4454
02:16:01,100 --> 02:16:04,100
form wrong. I'm not sure.

4455
02:16:06,100 --> 02:16:08,100
>> I, we did receive your

4456
02:16:08,100 --> 02:16:10,100
comments earlier. So, if you

4457
02:16:10,100 --> 02:16:11,100
have anything additional that

4458
02:16:11,100 --> 02:16:12,100
you would like to add

4459
02:16:12,100 --> 02:16:13,100
on items not

4460
02:16:13,100 --> 02:16:14,100
on today's agenda,

4461
02:16:14,100 --> 02:16:17,100
you are welcome to do so.

4462
02:16:17,100 --> 02:16:18,100
>> No, I was,

4463
02:16:18,100 --> 02:16:19,100
I was only commenting on item

4464
02:16:19,100 --> 02:16:21,100
76 and thank you

4465
02:16:21,100 --> 02:16:24,100
for continuing it to October. I

4466
02:16:24,100 --> 02:16:26,100
agree with you. There's been a

4467
02:16:26,100 --> 02:16:29,100
lot of confusion. So, I really

4468
02:16:29,100 --> 02:16:31,100
do hope you straighten it out

4469
02:16:31,100 --> 02:16:32,100
for us. Thank you.

4470
02:16:32,100 --> 02:16:33,100
>> Thank you very much.

4471
02:16:33,100 --> 02:16:35,100
>> Denise June Shear, followed

4472
02:16:35,100 --> 02:16:37,100
by Keith.

4473
02:16:43,100 --> 02:16:44,100
All right. We'll move on

4474
02:16:44,100 --> 02:16:46,100
to Keith.

4475
02:16:53,100 --> 02:16:55,100
>> Hi. Yes, Supervisors, thank

4476
02:16:55,100 --> 02:16:56,100
you for taking the time today

4477
02:16:56,100 --> 02:16:58,100
listening to the public. I

4478
02:16:58,100 --> 02:17:00,100
believe it was the responsible

4479
02:17:00,100 --> 02:17:02,100
thing to push this agenda item

4480
02:17:02,100 --> 02:17:05,100
off for further study. I'd

4481
02:17:06,100 --> 02:17:07,100
like to see a pattern in this

4482
02:17:07,100 --> 02:17:09,100
county and its governance that

4483
02:17:09,100 --> 02:17:11,100
we don't play the state as a

4484
02:17:11,100 --> 02:17:14,100
boogeyman card so much. Let's

4485
02:17:14,100 --> 02:17:16,100
be sensible. Let's not rush

4486
02:17:16,100 --> 02:17:17,100
things. Let's get community

4487
02:17:17,100 --> 02:17:18,100
input.

4488
02:17:18,100 --> 02:17:19,100
Excuse me.

4489
02:17:19,100 --> 02:17:21,100
I think especially

4490
02:17:22,100 --> 02:17:23,100
considering what we're seeing

4491
02:17:23,100 --> 02:17:25,100
in Big Bend National Park. And

4492
02:17:25,100 --> 02:17:27,100
how the federal government is

4493
02:17:27,100 --> 02:17:28,100
rushing

4494
02:17:28,100 --> 02:17:30,100
to bulldoze and draw a line

4495
02:17:30,100 --> 02:17:31,100
through our public lands. It's

4496
02:17:31,100 --> 02:17:33,100
critically important that,

4497
02:17:33,100 --> 02:17:34,100
at least

4498
02:17:34,100 --> 02:17:35,100
at the county and state level,

4499
02:17:35,100 --> 02:17:36,100
that we hold the line and we

4500
02:17:36,100 --> 02:17:38,100
adhere to the laws

4501
02:17:38,100 --> 02:17:41,100
in our state. Surface mining

4502
02:17:41,100 --> 02:17:42,100
on federal lands doesn't happen

4503
02:17:42,100 --> 02:17:44,100
in a vacuum. The scars from any

4504
02:17:44,100 --> 02:17:46,100
potential mine will be visible

4505
02:17:46,100 --> 02:17:47,100
from space long after all

4506
02:17:47,100 --> 02:17:50,100
of us have passed and gone.

4507
02:17:50,100 --> 02:17:52,100
The immediate effects

4508
02:17:53,100 --> 02:17:54,100
on transit lines, the air, the

4509
02:17:54,100 --> 02:17:56,100
water, the night sky,

4510
02:17:56,100 --> 02:17:58,100
the noise. Like, there's so

4511
02:17:58,100 --> 02:17:59,100
many factors to take

4512
02:17:59,100 --> 02:18:01,100
into place. And I don't think

4513
02:18:01,100 --> 02:18:02,100
anyone that lives in

4514
02:18:02,100 --> 02:18:03,100
Twentynine Palms or

4515
02:18:03,100 --> 02:18:05,100
in the high desert region wants

4516
02:18:05,100 --> 02:18:06,100
to see their property values

4517
02:18:06,100 --> 02:18:08,100
plummet if a gigantic open pit

4518
02:18:08,100 --> 02:18:10,100
mine like the one we see in

4519
02:18:10,100 --> 02:18:12,100
Boron is allowed to go forward

4520
02:18:12,100 --> 02:18:13,100
in this county. So, I think

4521
02:18:13,100 --> 02:18:15,100
it's important that we take a

4522
02:18:15,100 --> 02:18:16,100
stance, not

4523
02:18:16,100 --> 02:18:18,100
for the short-term gain,

4524
02:18:18,100 --> 02:18:20,100
for a you know, foreign

4525
02:18:20,100 --> 02:18:21,100
transnational mining

4526
02:18:21,100 --> 02:18:23,100
corporation to extract our

4527
02:18:23,100 --> 02:18:24,100
resources and take them out

4528
02:18:24,100 --> 02:18:25,100
of the.

4529
02:18:25,100 --> 02:18:26,100
>> 30 seconds.

4530
02:18:26,100 --> 02:18:28,100
>> That profit out of this

4531
02:18:28,100 --> 02:18:29,100
county. I think it's important

4532
02:18:29,100 --> 02:18:30,100
that we focus

4533
02:18:30,100 --> 02:18:32,100
on getting this right. So,

4534
02:18:32,100 --> 02:18:33,100
there's no loopholes. So, I

4535
02:18:33,100 --> 02:18:34,100
appreciate you tabling the

4536
02:18:34,100 --> 02:18:35,100
matter. Thank you.

4537
02:18:35,100 --> 02:18:36,100
>> Thank you very much.

4538
02:18:36,100 --> 02:18:37,100
>> And as a reminder, this is

4539
02:18:37,100 --> 02:18:38,100
for items not

4540
02:18:38,100 --> 02:18:40,100
on today's agenda. Next up is

4541
02:18:40,100 --> 02:18:41,100
Nicholas Garver, followed by

4542
02:18:41,100 --> 02:18:43,100
Anna Gonzalez.

4543
02:18:50,100 --> 02:18:52,100
>> Who? Nicholas?

4544
02:18:52,100 --> 02:18:53,100
>> And Anna Gonzalez is not,

4545
02:18:53,100 --> 02:18:55,100
neither of them are still

4546
02:18:55,100 --> 02:18:56,100
on the line. Okay, we're going

4547
02:18:56,100 --> 02:18:58,100
to, we're going

4548
02:19:01,100 --> 02:19:03,100
to bring it back here

4549
02:19:03,100 --> 02:19:04,100
to in-person comments. Our

4550
02:19:04,100 --> 02:19:06,100
first request to speak is

4551
02:19:06,100 --> 02:19:08,100
Daniel DeMeyer, followed by

4552
02:19:08,100 --> 02:19:10,100
Joanne Genesis.

4553
02:19:12,100 --> 02:19:13,100
>> Good afternoon, board. My

4554
02:19:13,100 --> 02:19:15,100
name is Dan Demyer. I'm a

4555
02:19:15,100 --> 02:19:17,100
resident of 29 Palms. I've been

4556
02:19:17,100 --> 02:19:19,100
approaching this problem I have

4557
02:19:19,100 --> 02:19:21,100
a little wrong,

4558
02:19:21,100 --> 02:19:22,100
and I think I'm going

4559
02:19:22,100 --> 02:19:24,100
to do it a little different.

4560
02:19:24,100 --> 02:19:25,100
So with that, I'm going

4561
02:19:25,100 --> 02:19:26,100
to say I'm sorry

4562
02:19:26,100 --> 02:19:27,100
to bother your sheriffs about

4563
02:19:27,100 --> 02:19:29,100
the vandalism and the

4564
02:19:29,100 --> 02:19:30,100
trespassing calls that I've

4565
02:19:30,100 --> 02:19:33,100
been making the last 6 months.

4566
02:19:33,100 --> 02:19:35,100
I'm sorry that your sheriffs,

4567
02:19:35,100 --> 02:19:37,100
9, 7 of them, came out

4568
02:19:37,100 --> 02:19:38,100
to my house and held guns

4569
02:19:38,100 --> 02:19:40,100
to my head on a SWAT call.

4570
02:19:40,100 --> 02:19:42,100
What's SWAT? A SWAT is when

4571
02:19:42,100 --> 02:19:43,100
somebody calls your law

4572
02:19:43,100 --> 02:19:45,100
enforcement agency and lies and

4573
02:19:45,100 --> 02:19:48,100
tells them BS so they could

4574
02:19:48,100 --> 02:19:49,100
come

4575
02:19:49,100 --> 02:19:50,100
to your house and hold guns to

4576
02:19:50,100 --> 02:19:52,100
your head. I'm sorry that I'm

4577
02:19:52,100 --> 02:19:53,100
helping the neighbors

4578
02:19:53,100 --> 02:19:55,100
with my tractor work after a

4579
02:19:55,100 --> 02:19:58,100
massive flash flood. I'm sorry

4580
02:19:58,100 --> 02:20:00,100
I'm maintaining the road for my

4581
02:20:00,100 --> 02:20:02,100
neighbors as my one neighbor

4582
02:20:02,100 --> 02:20:04,100
destroys it. I have a neighbor

4583
02:20:04,100 --> 02:20:07,100
that blocks the road. And

4584
02:20:07,100 --> 02:20:09,100
nobody does anything, so no one

4585
02:20:09,100 --> 02:20:12,100
can get through. I'm sorry that

4586
02:20:12,100 --> 02:20:14,100
my neighbor is digging up the

4587
02:20:14,100 --> 02:20:16,100
underground utility poles and

4588
02:20:16,100 --> 02:20:19,100
moving them. I find that very

4589
02:20:19,100 --> 02:20:21,100
dangerous. I'm sorry that my

4590
02:20:21,100 --> 02:20:22,100
neighbor dumps his trash along

4591
02:20:22,100 --> 02:20:24,100
with human waste

4592
02:20:24,100 --> 02:20:25,100
around the desert and

4593
02:20:25,100 --> 02:20:28,100
in people's trash cans. He

4594
02:20:28,100 --> 02:20:30,100
calls the cops, and when he

4595
02:20:30,100 --> 02:20:31,100
calls the cops and they

4596
02:20:31,100 --> 02:20:33,100
respond, they go

4597
02:20:33,100 --> 02:20:34,100
to his house,

4598
02:20:34,100 --> 02:20:35,100
and he doesn't answer the door.

4599
02:20:35,100 --> 02:20:37,100
We fix the damage that he

4600
02:20:37,100 --> 02:20:39,100
creates, and he calls the

4601
02:20:39,100 --> 02:20:41,100
police and tells them we did

4602
02:20:41,100 --> 02:20:43,100
the damage. That's false

4603
02:20:43,100 --> 02:20:44,100
reporting.

4604
02:20:44,100 --> 02:20:45,100
>> 30 seconds.

4605
02:20:45,100 --> 02:20:47,100
>> Yes. The main one is,

4606
02:20:47,100 --> 02:20:48,100
is he chased my roommate

4607
02:20:48,100 --> 02:20:51,100
down the road 2.5 miles. I have

4608
02:20:51,100 --> 02:20:52,100
a restraining order,

4609
02:20:52,100 --> 02:20:54,100
so does my roommate. The police

4610
02:20:54,100 --> 02:20:56,100
did nothing. So with that,

4611
02:20:56,100 --> 02:20:58,100
I'm going to say 7 months

4612
02:20:58,100 --> 02:20:59,100
of investigation, 3 violations

4613
02:20:59,100 --> 02:21:01,100
of restraining order, and the

4614
02:21:01,100 --> 02:21:03,100
cops will not return my call.

4615
02:21:03,100 --> 02:21:05,100
The sheriff. They are either

4616
02:21:05,100 --> 02:21:07,401
corrupt or they're incompetent

4617
02:21:08,100 --> 02:21:10,100
because they do not uphold the

4618
02:21:10,100 --> 02:21:13,100
law to serve and protect.

4619
02:21:13,100 --> 02:21:14,100
Thank you.

4620
02:21:14,100 --> 02:21:15,100
>> Thank you for your comments.

4621
02:21:15,100 --> 02:21:17,100
>> Joanne Jenis, then Jane

4622
02:21:17,100 --> 02:21:19,100
Hunt-Rubel.

4623
02:21:19,100 --> 02:21:21,100
>> Good afternoon,

4624
02:21:21,100 --> 02:21:22,100
Supervisors. My name is

4625
02:21:22,100 --> 02:21:23,100
Joanne Jenis and I live

4626
02:21:23,100 --> 02:21:24,100
in the city of Chino Hills.

4627
02:21:24,100 --> 02:21:25,100
Let's talk about homelessness

4628
02:21:25,100 --> 02:21:27,100
and matters related to it. Did

4629
02:21:27,100 --> 02:21:29,100
you hear about the city of

4630
02:21:29,100 --> 02:21:30,100
Riverside's new drop-off

4631
02:21:30,100 --> 02:21:31,100
ordinance? I'm aware Riverside

4632
02:21:31,100 --> 02:21:33,100
is in another county,

4633
02:21:33,100 --> 02:21:34,100
but I believe looking at this

4634
02:21:34,100 --> 02:21:35,100
ordinance could potentially

4635
02:21:35,100 --> 02:21:37,401
benefit our own communities

4636
02:21:38,100 --> 02:21:40,100
in our own county, especially

4637
02:21:40,100 --> 02:21:42,401
with the 2028 Olympics coming

4638
02:21:43,100 --> 02:21:45,100
to, coming into LA. The

4639
02:21:45,100 --> 02:21:46,100
ordinance requires law

4640
02:21:46,100 --> 02:21:47,100
enforcement, medical

4641
02:21:47,100 --> 02:21:48,100
facilities, behavioral health

4642
02:21:48,100 --> 02:21:49,100
providers, cities and county

4643
02:21:49,100 --> 02:21:50,100
agencies,

4644
02:21:50,100 --> 02:21:52,100
and other organizations to

4645
02:21:52,100 --> 02:21:53,100
provide 24-hour advance notice

4646
02:21:53,100 --> 02:21:55,100
before dropping off an

4647
02:21:55,100 --> 02:21:56,100
individual experiencing

4648
02:21:56,100 --> 02:21:58,100
homelessness in their city.

4649
02:21:58,100 --> 02:21:59,100
The goal is to give the city

4650
02:21:59,100 --> 02:22:01,100
and service providers an

4651
02:22:01,100 --> 02:22:02,100
opportunity to coordinate

4652
02:22:02,100 --> 02:22:04,100
behavioral health services,

4653
02:22:04,100 --> 02:22:05,100
shelter housing,

4654
02:22:05,100 --> 02:22:07,100
and other support instead

4655
02:22:07,100 --> 02:22:08,100
of simply leaving them

4656
02:22:08,100 --> 02:22:09,100
somewhere without the resources

4657
02:22:09,100 --> 02:22:11,100
they need. I believe a similar

4658
02:22:11,100 --> 02:22:13,100
policy should be considered in

4659
02:22:13,100 --> 02:22:15,100
the county and statewide levels

4660
02:22:15,100 --> 02:22:16,100
with the possibility of

4661
02:22:16,100 --> 02:22:18,100
eventually becoming state law.

4662
02:22:18,100 --> 02:22:20,100
Here's why I'm so passionate

4663
02:22:20,100 --> 02:22:21,100
about this homeless ordinance.

4664
02:22:21,100 --> 02:22:23,100
Some of you probably remember

4665
02:22:23,100 --> 02:22:25,100
my story. My son was accepted

4666
02:22:25,100 --> 02:22:28,100
into the AOT Laura's Law

4667
02:22:28,100 --> 02:22:30,100
program medical. He was

4668
02:22:30,100 --> 02:22:31,100
evaluated. The court ordered,

4669
02:22:31,100 --> 02:22:32,100
the judge ordered

4670
02:22:32,100 --> 02:22:34,100
for an evaluation. He went

4671
02:22:34,100 --> 02:22:36,100
through the evaluation. He went

4672
02:22:36,100 --> 02:22:38,100
to Arrowhead Regional. 72 hours

4673
02:22:38,100 --> 02:22:40,100
later, even though diagnosed

4674
02:22:40,100 --> 02:22:41,100
severe mental illness and

4675
02:22:41,100 --> 02:22:42,100
gravely disabled,

4676
02:22:42,100 --> 02:22:44,100
they released him. No support.

4677
02:22:44,100 --> 02:22:45,100
31 miles. Gave him a bus pass.

4678
02:22:45,100 --> 02:22:47,100
No support. No cell phone. No

4679
02:22:47,100 --> 02:22:48,100
money. Somehow, he made it

4680
02:22:48,100 --> 02:22:49,100
home. 7 days later,

4681
02:22:49,100 --> 02:22:50,100
he was killed crossing

4682
02:22:50,100 --> 02:22:53,100
at a crosswalk. while being

4683
02:22:53,100 --> 02:22:55,100
out of his head,

4684
02:22:55,100 --> 02:22:56,100
and he was killed

4685
02:22:56,100 --> 02:22:59,100
by a hit-and-run felony EMT.

4686
02:22:59,100 --> 02:23:01,100
So, let's try and see,

4687
02:23:01,100 --> 02:23:02,100
improve what's happening with

4688
02:23:02,100 --> 02:23:03,100
these mental health patients

4689
02:23:03,100 --> 02:23:05,100
and homelessness out

4690
02:23:05,100 --> 02:23:06,100
on the streets. Thank you

4691
02:23:06,100 --> 02:23:07,100
for your time.

4692
02:23:07,100 --> 02:23:08,100
>> Thank you

4693
02:23:08,100 --> 02:23:09,100
for your comments.

4694
02:23:09,100 --> 02:23:10,100
>> Jane Hunt Ruble, then

4695
02:23:10,100 --> 02:23:11,100
Randy Bekendam, and then

4696
02:23:11,100 --> 02:23:13,100
Carmen Gallegos.

4697
02:23:18,100 --> 02:23:20,100
>> Excuse me. Good afternoon. I

4698
02:23:20,100 --> 02:23:22,100
got hungry,

4699
02:23:22,100 --> 02:23:23,100
so I brought a candy bar

4700
02:23:23,100 --> 02:23:26,100
with me. Anyway, I'm here

4701
02:23:26,100 --> 02:23:28,401
to talk about, well,

4702
02:23:29,100 --> 02:23:31,100
I love those people from

4703
02:23:31,100 --> 02:23:33,100
Wonder Valley, and I wish my

4704
02:23:33,100 --> 02:23:35,100
community was like that a long

4705
02:23:35,100 --> 02:23:36,100
time ago when we were fighting

4706
02:23:36,100 --> 02:23:38,100
other things in Lytle, Cohon

4707
02:23:38,100 --> 02:23:40,100
Wash. But anyway, I'm here

4708
02:23:40,100 --> 02:23:43,100
to talk about, I came

4709
02:23:43,100 --> 02:23:45,100
across this yesterday. It's

4710
02:23:45,100 --> 02:23:47,401
about the unincorporated truck

4711
02:23:49,100 --> 02:23:51,100
routes, because that's one

4712
02:23:51,100 --> 02:23:53,100
thing I'm concerned about.

4713
02:23:53,100 --> 02:23:54,100
Because earlier this year,

4714
02:23:54,100 --> 02:23:55,100
thank you, Baca,

4715
02:23:55,100 --> 02:23:56,100
for finally coming out

4716
02:23:56,100 --> 02:23:58,100
to our community

4717
02:23:58,100 --> 02:23:59,100
about the truck routes,

4718
02:23:59,100 --> 02:24:00,100
but it's gotten worse

4719
02:24:00,100 --> 02:24:02,100
over the past few months. It's

4720
02:24:02,100 --> 02:24:05,100
just, I hate going down Macy

4721
02:24:05,100 --> 02:24:06,100
Street anymore, but I have to

4722
02:24:06,100 --> 02:24:08,100
on Thursday because I have,

4723
02:24:08,100 --> 02:24:09,100
I work for a friend of mine

4724
02:24:09,100 --> 02:24:11,100
over in Rialto, and it's

4725
02:24:11,100 --> 02:24:12,100
Getting big rigs coming

4726
02:24:12,100 --> 02:24:14,100
down there, and also the

4727
02:24:14,100 --> 02:24:16,100
vendors. I don't even

4728
02:24:16,100 --> 02:24:19,100
like going to the, the library

4729
02:24:19,100 --> 02:24:21,100
there anymore because it's just

4730
02:24:21,100 --> 02:24:23,100
overwhelmed with,

4731
02:24:23,100 --> 02:24:25,100
on both sides of Darby

4732
02:24:25,100 --> 02:24:27,100
Street, the vendors, and

4733
02:24:27,100 --> 02:24:29,100
they're there apparently every

4734
02:24:29,100 --> 02:24:31,100
day. And I just want something

4735
02:24:31,100 --> 02:24:33,100
done about it because it even

4736
02:24:33,100 --> 02:24:34,100
bothers the people that work

4737
02:24:34,100 --> 02:24:37,100
in the library. And I was

4738
02:24:37,100 --> 02:24:38,100
shocked to learn that.

4739
02:24:38,100 --> 02:24:40,100
But some, we have a lot

4740
02:24:40,100 --> 02:24:42,100
of people that live out in

4741
02:24:42,100 --> 02:24:45,100
Muscoy. I guess they moved here

4742
02:24:45,100 --> 02:24:46,100
to Muscoy that are truck

4743
02:24:46,100 --> 02:24:47,100
drivers,

4744
02:24:47,100 --> 02:24:49,100
and they have big rigs. And the

4745
02:24:49,100 --> 02:24:50,100
one thing I wanted

4746
02:24:50,100 --> 02:24:51,100
to talk about.

4747
02:24:51,100 --> 02:24:52,100
>> 30 seconds.

4748
02:24:52,100 --> 02:24:53,100
>> Is that I caught somebody

4749
02:24:53,100 --> 02:24:56,100
on the corner of June and 2nd

4750
02:24:56,100 --> 02:24:58,100
that they have signs up saying

4751
02:24:58,100 --> 02:24:59,100
no parking at all. They've been

4752
02:24:59,100 --> 02:25:02,100
up there for years, but I

4753
02:25:02,100 --> 02:25:03,100
caught somebody doing it again,

4754
02:25:03,100 --> 02:25:04,100
and I want something done

4755
02:25:04,100 --> 02:25:07,100
about it. So, I please beg you

4756
02:25:07,100 --> 02:25:08,100
to do something about it

4757
02:25:08,100 --> 02:25:10,100
because they're blocking the

4758
02:25:10,100 --> 02:25:13,100
view of traffic going and

4759
02:25:13,100 --> 02:25:14,100
they're blatant about it. So, I

4760
02:25:14,100 --> 02:25:15,100
really like,

4761
02:25:15,100 --> 02:25:16,100
appreciate it.

4762
02:25:16,100 --> 02:25:19,100
Also, are the cameras up

4763
02:25:19,100 --> 02:25:20,100
because people are still.

4764
02:25:20,100 --> 02:25:21,100
>> That's time.

4765
02:25:21,100 --> 02:25:23,100
>> On second and thank.

4766
02:25:23,100 --> 02:25:24,100
>> Thank you, Randy Bekendam

4767
02:25:24,100 --> 02:25:26,401
followed by Carmen Gallegos.

4768
02:25:30,100 --> 02:25:31,100
>> Good afternoon,

4769
02:25:31,100 --> 02:25:33,100
Supervisors. I'm Randy

4770
02:25:33,100 --> 02:25:35,100
Bekendam, Executive Director

4771
02:25:35,100 --> 02:25:37,100
of the Southern California

4772
02:25:37,100 --> 02:25:39,100
Agricultural Land Foundation,

4773
02:25:40,100 --> 02:25:43,100
and I'm also a local farmer.

4774
02:25:43,100 --> 02:25:46,100
Our nonprofit has managed. We

4775
02:25:46,100 --> 02:25:48,100
did manage the Prop 70 lands

4776
02:25:48,100 --> 02:25:50,100
for the first 15 years

4777
02:25:50,100 --> 02:25:52,100
of their existence. About 20

4778
02:25:52,100 --> 02:25:54,100
years ago,

4779
02:25:54,100 --> 02:25:55,100
the county dismissed the

4780
02:25:55,100 --> 02:25:57,100
Executive Director and took

4781
02:25:57,100 --> 02:25:59,100
management of the properties

4782
02:25:59,100 --> 02:26:00,100
in-house. which generated this

4783
02:26:00,100 --> 02:26:02,100
letter that I have here

4784
02:26:02,100 --> 02:26:04,100
from the Planning and

4785
02:26:04,100 --> 02:26:06,100
Conservation League, and they

4786
02:26:06,100 --> 02:26:08,100
were the ones who initiated

4787
02:26:08,100 --> 02:26:11,100
Prop 70. The contents of this

4788
02:26:12,100 --> 02:26:13,100
letter are why we kept the

4789
02:26:13,100 --> 02:26:15,401
nonprofit alive and active

4790
02:26:16,100 --> 02:26:18,100
to this point. This letter

4791
02:26:18,100 --> 02:26:20,401
threatens citizen action unless

4792
02:26:22,100 --> 02:26:24,100
the county complies

4793
02:26:24,100 --> 02:26:26,100
with the contents

4794
02:26:26,100 --> 02:26:27,100
of this letter. The county has

4795
02:26:27,100 --> 02:26:29,100
been out of compliance with

4796
02:26:29,100 --> 02:26:32,100
Prop 70 from the beginning, so

4797
02:26:32,100 --> 02:26:34,100
38 years in violation

4798
02:26:34,100 --> 02:26:36,100
of the public trust. The

4799
02:26:36,100 --> 02:26:38,100
citizens of California own the

4800
02:26:38,100 --> 02:26:41,100
Prop 70 land. The county is a

4801
02:26:41,100 --> 02:26:44,100
steward of the land. You have a

4802
02:26:44,100 --> 02:26:45,100
fiduciary responsibility

4803
02:26:45,100 --> 02:26:48,601
to comply with the mandate of

4804
02:26:49,100 --> 02:26:51,100
Prop 70, which is

4805
02:26:51,100 --> 02:26:52,100
to preserve the land

4806
02:26:52,100 --> 02:26:54,100
for agriculture. And so,

4807
02:26:54,100 --> 02:26:56,100
the letter of this,

4808
02:26:56,100 --> 02:26:58,100
the contents of this letter,

4809
02:26:58,100 --> 02:27:00,401
very self-explanatory. Who can

4810
02:27:01,100 --> 02:27:02,100
I leave this letter with?

4811
02:27:02,100 --> 02:27:04,100
>> That's 30 seconds.

4812
02:27:04,100 --> 02:27:07,601
>> As many copies as you need.

4813
02:27:08,100 --> 02:27:10,100
>> Madam Chair, sorry,

4814
02:27:10,100 --> 02:27:11,100
we can take it. The Clerk

4815
02:27:11,100 --> 02:27:12,100
of the Board

4816
02:27:12,100 --> 02:27:13,100
down here can take it

4817
02:27:13,100 --> 02:27:14,100
from you. Thank you.

4818
02:27:14,100 --> 02:27:15,100
>> Okay, thank you.

4819
02:27:15,100 --> 02:27:16,100
>> Carmen Gallegos,

4820
02:27:16,100 --> 02:27:18,100
followed by Leticia Howard, and

4821
02:27:18,100 --> 02:27:20,100
then Joaquin Castillejos.

4822
02:27:24,100 --> 02:27:27,100
>> Is this on? Okay. Yeah, I

4823
02:27:27,100 --> 02:27:28,100
had brought this up before.

4824
02:27:28,100 --> 02:27:30,100
Where I'm located,

4825
02:27:30,100 --> 02:27:32,100
I noticed that sometimes I do

4826
02:27:32,100 --> 02:27:33,100
go to places that have way too

4827
02:27:33,100 --> 02:27:34,100
much things going on

4828
02:27:34,100 --> 02:27:35,100
at one time. It also affects

4829
02:27:35,100 --> 02:27:37,100
the city and also the people

4830
02:27:37,100 --> 02:27:39,100
around it. A lot

4831
02:27:39,100 --> 02:27:40,100
of times right now I'm dealing

4832
02:27:40,100 --> 02:27:42,100
with this right now I want

4833
02:27:42,100 --> 02:27:44,100
to bring in sidewalks and

4834
02:27:44,100 --> 02:27:46,100
streets and lights. And because

4835
02:27:46,100 --> 02:27:48,100
that they're hitting

4836
02:27:48,100 --> 02:27:49,100
pedestrians,

4837
02:27:49,100 --> 02:27:50,100
and the pedestrians are in the

4838
02:27:50,100 --> 02:27:52,100
streets because there's no

4839
02:27:52,100 --> 02:27:53,100
sidewalks. And this was

4840
02:27:53,100 --> 02:27:55,100
with a lot

4841
02:27:55,100 --> 02:27:57,100
of humans and animals. They

4842
02:27:57,100 --> 02:27:58,100
can't walk their dog or cat. I

4843
02:27:58,100 --> 02:28:01,601
mean, they have to take care

4844
02:28:02,100 --> 02:28:04,100
of just basically like the

4845
02:28:04,100 --> 02:28:05,100
fireworks. I had so many

4846
02:28:05,100 --> 02:28:06,100
fireworks. I go, I've never

4847
02:28:06,100 --> 02:28:07,100
seen so many fireworks

4848
02:28:07,100 --> 02:28:08,100
in my life, or they should have

4849
02:28:08,100 --> 02:28:10,100
been contained a long time ago

4850
02:28:10,100 --> 02:28:11,100
because it made a war zone

4851
02:28:11,100 --> 02:28:12,100
of your city.

4852
02:28:12,100 --> 02:28:14,100
And in county and city areas. So

4853
02:28:14,100 --> 02:28:15,100
right now, I'm

4854
02:28:15,100 --> 02:28:17,100
in a county area. Before I was

4855
02:28:17,100 --> 02:28:18,100
in a city area,

4856
02:28:18,100 --> 02:28:19,100
but still dealing

4857
02:28:19,100 --> 02:28:20,100
with fireworks, which is really

4858
02:28:20,100 --> 02:28:22,100
crazy. I got a disturb the

4859
02:28:22,100 --> 02:28:23,100
peace, and I had to laugh

4860
02:28:23,100 --> 02:28:25,100
at that because I got a ticket

4861
02:28:25,100 --> 02:28:27,100
for that. But

4862
02:28:27,100 --> 02:28:29,100
to overlook the obvious,

4863
02:28:29,100 --> 02:28:31,100
if we're to let it go

4864
02:28:31,100 --> 02:28:32,100
to businesses and burning it,

4865
02:28:32,100 --> 02:28:34,100
even Homeland Security said

4866
02:28:34,100 --> 02:28:35,100
they only took care

4867
02:28:35,100 --> 02:28:36,100
of federal buildings.

4868
02:28:36,100 --> 02:28:37,100
But aside from that,

4869
02:28:37,100 --> 02:28:38,100
right now. And even hearing a

4870
02:28:38,100 --> 02:28:40,100
comment, you know,

4871
02:28:40,100 --> 02:28:42,100
I'm too far away

4872
02:28:42,100 --> 02:28:43,100
to get there. Well, that's why

4873
02:28:43,100 --> 02:28:44,100
I said adopt a planet, and we

4874
02:28:44,100 --> 02:28:45,100
need clean air and clean water.

4875
02:28:45,100 --> 02:28:47,100
Because you let the,

4876
02:28:47,100 --> 02:28:49,100
you overlook the fireworks,

4877
02:28:49,100 --> 02:28:50,100
and they should,

4878
02:28:50,100 --> 02:28:51,100
they weren't even

4879
02:28:51,100 --> 02:28:52,100
in a contained area where, I

4880
02:28:52,100 --> 02:28:53,100
mean, in the area that they had

4881
02:28:53,100 --> 02:28:54,100
permits for.

4882
02:28:54,100 --> 02:28:55,100
But even the permit area.

4883
02:28:55,100 --> 02:28:57,100
>> 30 seconds.

4884
02:28:57,100 --> 02:28:58,100
>> But anyway, so again,

4885
02:28:58,100 --> 02:29:00,100
transportation and

4886
02:29:02,100 --> 02:29:03,100
for humans and animals, but

4887
02:29:03,100 --> 02:29:04,100
like sidewalks to keep them

4888
02:29:04,100 --> 02:29:06,100
off the streets. Thank you.

4889
02:29:06,100 --> 02:29:08,100
>> Thank you very much.

4890
02:29:08,100 --> 02:29:09,100
>> From drunk drivers and

4891
02:29:09,100 --> 02:29:11,100
people flipping cars.

4892
02:29:11,100 --> 02:29:13,100
>> Leticia Howard, followed

4893
02:29:13,100 --> 02:29:14,100
by Joaquin Castillejos, and then

4894
02:29:14,100 --> 02:29:16,100
Terry Lewis.

4895
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:21,100
>> For over a year,

4896
02:29:21,100 --> 02:29:22,100
parents and advocates have come

4897
02:29:22,100 --> 02:29:23,100
before this board reporting

4898
02:29:23,100 --> 02:29:25,100
corruption, fraud, perjury,

4899
02:29:25,100 --> 02:29:27,100
abuse of power, violations of,

4900
02:29:27,100 --> 02:29:28,100
of our right to due process,

4901
02:29:28,100 --> 02:29:30,100
and harm to our children

4902
02:29:30,100 --> 02:29:32,100
within Children and Family

4903
02:29:32,100 --> 02:29:33,100
Services. What was the

4904
02:29:33,100 --> 02:29:35,100
response? The board pushed to

4905
02:29:35,100 --> 02:29:37,100
make sure parents received

4906
02:29:37,100 --> 02:29:39,100
their court reports on time.

4907
02:29:39,100 --> 02:29:40,100
Well, let me tell you how that

4908
02:29:40,100 --> 02:29:42,100
correction is working. On July

4909
02:29:42,100 --> 02:29:44,100
8th, my parental rights were

4910
02:29:44,100 --> 02:29:45,100
terminated. One of the most

4911
02:29:45,100 --> 02:29:47,100
important documents that

4912
02:29:47,100 --> 02:29:49,100
in that proceeding was the 26

4913
02:29:49,100 --> 02:29:51,100
report. I don't have that

4914
02:29:51,100 --> 02:29:53,100
report. I did not have that

4915
02:29:53,100 --> 02:29:54,100
report the day of the hearing.

4916
02:29:54,100 --> 02:29:56,100
I do not have it as of today. I

4917
02:29:56,100 --> 02:29:58,100
made multiple written requests

4918
02:29:58,100 --> 02:29:59,100
for it, and today,

4919
02:29:59,100 --> 02:30:00,100
more than a month after my

4920
02:30:00,100 --> 02:30:01,100
rights were terminated, I still

4921
02:30:01,100 --> 02:30:03,100
don't have that report. report.

4922
02:30:03,100 --> 02:30:04,100
So, when Jeannie Glasgow says

4923
02:30:04,100 --> 02:30:05,100
that the problems have been

4924
02:30:05,100 --> 02:30:07,100
corrected, I ask you,

4925
02:30:07,100 --> 02:30:08,100
does that sound

4926
02:30:08,100 --> 02:30:09,100
like it's been corrected?

4927
02:30:09,100 --> 02:30:10,100
Today I'm no longer speaking

4928
02:30:10,100 --> 02:30:11,100
to the board. I'm speaking

4929
02:30:11,100 --> 02:30:13,100
to parents, advocates,

4930
02:30:13,100 --> 02:30:14,100
attorneys, civil rights

4931
02:30:14,100 --> 02:30:15,100
organizations, lawmakers,

4932
02:30:15,100 --> 02:30:16,100
journalists, taxpayers, and

4933
02:30:16,100 --> 02:30:18,100
everyone believes the

4934
02:30:18,100 --> 02:30:19,100
government must have, the

4935
02:30:19,100 --> 02:30:21,100
government power must have

4936
02:30:21,100 --> 02:30:23,100
limits. We have spent too much

4937
02:30:23,100 --> 02:30:25,100
time asking the very system we

4938
02:30:25,100 --> 02:30:27,401
accuse of corruption, fraud,

4939
02:30:28,100 --> 02:30:29,100
and abuse of power to

4940
02:30:29,100 --> 02:30:30,100
investigate or correct itself.

4941
02:30:30,100 --> 02:30:32,100
When will, when will we

4942
02:30:32,100 --> 02:30:34,100
understand the system is

4943
02:30:34,100 --> 02:30:35,100
working exactly the way it was

4944
02:30:35,100 --> 02:30:36,100
designed to work? It survives

4945
02:30:36,100 --> 02:30:38,100
because families are isolated

4946
02:30:38,100 --> 02:30:39,100
and afraid. It survives because

4947
02:30:39,100 --> 02:30:41,100
people believe they are

4948
02:30:41,100 --> 02:30:42,100
powerless when they walk

4949
02:30:42,100 --> 02:30:43,100
into courtrooms,

4950
02:30:43,100 --> 02:30:45,100
and it survives when the rest

4951
02:30:45,100 --> 02:30:46,100
of us remain silent. I am not

4952
02:30:46,100 --> 02:30:48,100
here today asking the board to

4953
02:30:48,100 --> 02:30:49,100
save us. I am asking the people

4954
02:30:49,100 --> 02:30:51,100
to stand together.

4955
02:30:51,100 --> 02:30:52,100
>> 30 seconds.

4956
02:30:52,100 --> 02:30:53,100
>> Learn the law,

4957
02:30:53,100 --> 02:30:54,100
preserve your records,

4958
02:30:54,100 --> 02:30:55,100
request your documents,

4959
02:30:55,100 --> 02:30:57,100
request answer, ask questions,

4960
02:30:57,100 --> 02:30:58,100
demand evidence, show up

4961
02:30:58,100 --> 02:30:59,100
to these meetings, contact

4962
02:30:59,100 --> 02:31:00,100
lawmakers,

4963
02:31:00,100 --> 02:31:02,100
contact civil rights

4964
02:31:02,100 --> 02:31:04,100
organizations, because history

4965
02:31:04,100 --> 02:31:05,100
has never been changed by

4966
02:31:05,100 --> 02:31:06,100
people quietly accepting

4967
02:31:06,100 --> 02:31:08,100
injustice. Change happens when

4968
02:31:08,100 --> 02:31:09,100
ordinary people decide,

4969
02:31:09,100 --> 02:31:11,100
decide enough is enough. They

4970
02:31:11,100 --> 02:31:13,100
may have the titles, they may

4971
02:31:13,100 --> 02:31:14,100
have attorneys, they may have

4972
02:31:14,100 --> 02:31:16,100
the funding,

4973
02:31:16,100 --> 02:31:17,100
but we have the numbers. And

4974
02:31:17,100 --> 02:31:18,100
when the communities stand

4975
02:31:18,100 --> 02:31:19,100
together, we have the power

4976
02:31:19,100 --> 02:31:20,100
to enforce accountability.

4977
02:31:20,100 --> 02:31:22,100
>> That's time.

4978
02:31:22,100 --> 02:31:24,100
>> Joaquin Castillejos,

4979
02:31:24,100 --> 02:31:26,100
followed by Terry Lewis, and

4980
02:31:26,100 --> 02:31:28,100
then Karen Reich.

4981
02:31:30,100 --> 02:31:32,100
>> Good morning,

4982
02:31:32,100 --> 02:31:34,100
county staff and community. My

4983
02:31:34,100 --> 02:31:36,100
name is Joaquin Castillejos. I

4984
02:31:36,100 --> 02:31:38,100
am an organizer with the

4985
02:31:38,100 --> 02:31:39,100
Center for Community Action and

4986
02:31:39,100 --> 02:31:41,100
Environmental Justice. I'm here

4987
02:31:41,100 --> 02:31:43,100
today to just remind the board

4988
02:31:43,100 --> 02:31:46,100
of its duty to protect Prop 70

4989
02:31:46,100 --> 02:31:48,100
land and to be stewards of this

4990
02:31:48,100 --> 02:31:50,100
preserved agricultural land.

4991
02:31:50,100 --> 02:31:52,100
that was meant to be used

4992
02:31:52,100 --> 02:31:55,100
for generations to come. In

4993
02:31:55,100 --> 02:31:57,401
19, in 1984, when this was

4994
02:31:58,100 --> 02:32:00,100
passed, it was because voters

4995
02:32:00,100 --> 02:32:01,100
decided that it was important

4996
02:32:01,100 --> 02:32:04,100
to save agricultural land, to

4997
02:32:04,100 --> 02:32:07,100
set it aside and make sure that

4998
02:32:07,100 --> 02:32:09,100
future generations, no matter

4999
02:32:09,100 --> 02:32:11,100
how developed their

5000
02:32:11,100 --> 02:32:12,100
surroundings were,

5001
02:32:12,100 --> 02:32:13,100
they would always have access

5002
02:32:13,100 --> 02:32:15,100
to this Prop 70 land. And San

5003
02:32:15,100 --> 02:32:17,100
Bernardino County started off,

5004
02:32:17,100 --> 02:32:20,100
became part of this process.

5005
02:32:23,100 --> 02:32:24,100
They used, the county used $20

5006
02:32:24,100 --> 02:32:26,100
million in Prop 70 funding

5007
02:32:26,100 --> 02:32:28,100
to buy up agricultural land

5008
02:32:28,100 --> 02:32:31,100
across the county and was meant

5009
02:32:31,100 --> 02:32:33,100
to preserve it and save it and

5010
02:32:33,100 --> 02:32:35,100
make sure that it's preserved

5011
02:32:35,100 --> 02:32:37,100
for future generations,

5012
02:32:37,100 --> 02:32:38,100
that it was used

5013
02:32:38,100 --> 02:32:39,100
for regenerative agriculture,

5014
02:32:39,100 --> 02:32:41,100
green spaces, things that

5015
02:32:41,100 --> 02:32:44,100
benefit the community. And it

5016
02:32:44,100 --> 02:32:46,100
is, it is a duty, and under

5017
02:32:46,100 --> 02:32:48,100
Prop 70, it should continue

5018
02:32:48,100 --> 02:32:51,100
to be the main priority. The

5019
02:32:51,100 --> 02:32:54,100
county should not be using

5020
02:32:54,100 --> 02:32:55,100
these, this land

5021
02:32:55,100 --> 02:32:56,100
for any other reason,

5022
02:32:56,100 --> 02:32:57,100
transferring it

5023
02:32:57,100 --> 02:33:00,100
to any other entity, or, or,

5024
02:33:00,100 --> 02:33:01,100
you know, letting it be used

5025
02:33:01,100 --> 02:33:02,100
to be.

5026
02:33:02,100 --> 02:33:03,100
>> 30 seconds.

5027
02:33:03,100 --> 02:33:05,100
>> To become anything else

5028
02:33:05,100 --> 02:33:07,100
that's not an agricultural

5029
02:33:07,100 --> 02:33:08,100
easement. So, I'm just here

5030
02:33:08,100 --> 02:33:09,100
to urge the county

5031
02:33:09,100 --> 02:33:11,100
to remember its role with Prop

5032
02:33:11,100 --> 02:33:13,100
70 to take care of that land

5033
02:33:13,100 --> 02:33:16,100
and make sure that it will

5034
02:33:16,100 --> 02:33:17,100
continue to be used

5035
02:33:17,100 --> 02:33:19,100
in what it is supposed

5036
02:33:19,100 --> 02:33:20,100
to be used, which is

5037
02:33:20,100 --> 02:33:22,100
through natural lands, open

5038
02:33:22,100 --> 02:33:24,100
space, and agriculture. Thank

5039
02:33:24,100 --> 02:33:25,100
you.

5040
02:33:25,100 --> 02:33:27,100
>> Thank you very much. Karen

5041
02:33:27,100 --> 02:33:29,100
Reich, followed by Lisa Finn,

5042
02:33:29,100 --> 02:33:32,601
and then Eric Vasquez. Oh, I'm

5043
02:33:34,100 --> 02:33:36,100
sorry. My Thing shows it's

5044
02:33:36,100 --> 02:33:38,100
highlighted. Terry Lewis first,

5045
02:33:38,100 --> 02:33:40,100
and then Karen.

5046
02:33:48,100 --> 02:33:51,601
>> Hi, my name is Terry Lewis.

5047
02:33:52,100 --> 02:33:53,100
I just wanted

5048
02:33:53,100 --> 02:33:55,100
to ask a question. Why is it

5049
02:33:55,100 --> 02:33:57,100
okay for social workers

5050
02:33:57,100 --> 02:33:59,100
to lie, to lie to parents,

5051
02:33:59,100 --> 02:34:02,100
to lie in court? They,

5052
02:34:03,100 --> 02:34:05,100
in my own personal case,

5053
02:34:05,100 --> 02:34:07,100
the social worker lied 24 times

5054
02:34:07,100 --> 02:34:09,100
in her report,

5055
02:34:09,100 --> 02:34:10,100
and we can prove like 3

5056
02:34:10,100 --> 02:34:12,100
of them for sure. And no one's

5057
02:34:12,100 --> 02:34:14,100
heard our story. No one's cared

5058
02:34:14,100 --> 02:34:16,100
to even listen. Our twins had

5059
02:34:16,100 --> 02:34:18,100
been gone,

5060
02:34:18,100 --> 02:34:19,100
and the baby had been gone

5061
02:34:19,100 --> 02:34:21,100
through 2 years now. And it,

5062
02:34:21,100 --> 02:34:22,100
for what reason? There were no

5063
02:34:22,100 --> 02:34:24,100
allegations of anything. The

5064
02:34:24,100 --> 02:34:25,100
kids were

5065
02:34:25,100 --> 02:34:27,100
with their grandmother. They

5066
02:34:27,100 --> 02:34:28,100
weren't even with the mom.

5067
02:34:28,100 --> 02:34:29,100
They went to the mom's home,

5068
02:34:29,100 --> 02:34:30,100
and based on her home,

5069
02:34:30,100 --> 02:34:31,100
they took the kids.

5070
02:34:31,100 --> 02:34:33,100
But the kids had been living

5071
02:34:33,100 --> 02:34:34,100
with the grandmother

5072
02:34:34,100 --> 02:34:35,100
for a month. So, it really

5073
02:34:35,100 --> 02:34:36,100
doesn't make sense. And when we

5074
02:34:36,100 --> 02:34:38,100
go to court, no one hears our

5075
02:34:38,100 --> 02:34:39,100
story because we don't have an

5076
02:34:39,100 --> 02:34:41,100
attorney. And it's

5077
02:34:41,100 --> 02:34:42,100
unacceptable.

5078
02:34:42,100 --> 02:34:44,100
But why is it okay for them

5079
02:34:44,100 --> 02:34:46,100
to lie? Cops can't lie. I used

5080
02:34:46,100 --> 02:34:47,100
to be a correctional officer,

5081
02:34:47,100 --> 02:34:48,100
and we had

5082
02:34:48,100 --> 02:34:49,100
to follow the WIC codes to the

5083
02:34:49,100 --> 02:34:51,100
letter because there was

5084
02:34:51,100 --> 02:34:52,100
oversight. And the county CPS

5085
02:34:52,100 --> 02:34:55,100
has no oversight. I missed that

5086
02:34:55,100 --> 02:34:57,100
June 23rd, I think it was the

5087
02:34:57,100 --> 02:34:58,100
23rd meeting where Jeannie

5088
02:34:58,100 --> 02:35:00,100
Glasgow and the other man sat

5089
02:35:00,100 --> 02:35:02,100
here and gave their statistics.

5090
02:35:02,100 --> 02:35:04,100
and how they never take

5091
02:35:04,100 --> 02:35:05,100
children from parents unless

5092
02:35:05,100 --> 02:35:07,100
it's dire circumstances,

5093
02:35:07,100 --> 02:35:09,100
and they always do everything

5094
02:35:09,100 --> 02:35:11,100
to keep them with family. And

5095
02:35:11,100 --> 02:35:13,100
that is a blatant lie,

5096
02:35:13,100 --> 02:35:15,100
complete, at least

5097
02:35:15,100 --> 02:35:16,100
in my case. And I believe the

5098
02:35:16,100 --> 02:35:18,100
other parents too. They could

5099
02:35:18,100 --> 02:35:19,100
have left the kids

5100
02:35:19,100 --> 02:35:21,100
at my house that night.

5101
02:35:21,100 --> 02:35:22,100
>> 30 seconds.

5102
02:35:22,100 --> 02:35:23,100
>> They said that someone in my

5103
02:35:23,100 --> 02:35:24,100
home didn't pass the

5104
02:35:24,100 --> 02:35:25,100
background. So I said, well,

5105
02:35:25,100 --> 02:35:27,100
he'll leave. And they, and she

5106
02:35:27,100 --> 02:35:28,100
goes, it doesn't work

5107
02:35:28,100 --> 02:35:29,100
like that, when it absolutely

5108
02:35:29,100 --> 02:35:31,100
does according

5109
02:35:31,100 --> 02:35:32,100
to the WIC codes. And, you

5110
02:35:32,100 --> 02:35:34,401
know, it's unacceptable. There

5111
02:35:35,100 --> 02:35:36,100
needs to be oversight. There

5112
02:35:36,100 --> 02:35:38,100
needs to be, they should wear

5113
02:35:38,100 --> 02:35:39,100
body cameras so that they have

5114
02:35:39,100 --> 02:35:42,100
to, you know, transparency. But

5115
02:35:42,100 --> 02:35:43,100
they don't want transparency

5116
02:35:43,100 --> 02:35:45,100
because they're the ones who's

5117
02:35:45,100 --> 02:35:46,100
lying and they're the ones who

5118
02:35:46,100 --> 02:35:47,100
are harming the kids, not us.

5119
02:35:47,100 --> 02:35:49,100
There was no reason for them

5120
02:35:49,100 --> 02:35:50,100
to take our twins.

5121
02:35:50,100 --> 02:35:52,100
>> That's time.

5122
02:35:55,100 --> 02:35:56,100
>> Karen Reich, followed by

5123
02:35:56,100 --> 02:35:57,100
Lisa Finn.

5124
02:35:57,100 --> 02:35:58,100
>> Hello, my name is Karen

5125
02:35:58,100 --> 02:36:01,100
Reich. I'm the grandmother to

5126
02:36:01,100 --> 02:36:04,601
Jovi, Jace, and Myla Wood. I'm

5127
02:36:05,100 --> 02:36:07,100
here because I'm angry. I'm

5128
02:36:07,100 --> 02:36:10,100
pissed off that we come here

5129
02:36:10,100 --> 02:36:13,100
twice a month. Well, I missed

5130
02:36:13,100 --> 02:36:14,100
the, I've missed a couple of

5131
02:36:14,100 --> 02:36:16,100
them because I've been busy

5132
02:36:16,100 --> 02:36:17,100
trying to get RFA approved

5133
02:36:17,100 --> 02:36:19,100
to get my grandkids.

5134
02:36:19,100 --> 02:36:21,100
But you guys sit up there, and

5135
02:36:21,100 --> 02:36:23,100
you hear these horrific

5136
02:36:23,100 --> 02:36:25,401
situations where people's kids

5137
02:36:26,100 --> 02:36:29,100
have been legally kidnapped and

5138
02:36:29,100 --> 02:36:31,100
you do nothing. That, I, I

5139
02:36:31,100 --> 02:36:33,100
mean, nothing has changed.

5140
02:36:33,100 --> 02:36:35,100
Laws need changed. Reform needs

5141
02:36:35,100 --> 02:36:37,100
to happen. My grandkids were

5142
02:36:37,100 --> 02:36:39,100
removed by a woman named

5143
02:36:39,100 --> 02:36:41,100
Betty Thompson Larkin, and they

5144
02:36:41,100 --> 02:36:44,100
were put with a social worker

5145
02:36:44,100 --> 02:36:47,100
foster mom named Kyra Larkin.

5146
02:36:47,100 --> 02:36:49,100
Are they of relation? Is this a

5147
02:36:49,100 --> 02:36:51,100
coincidence, or is

5148
02:36:51,100 --> 02:36:53,100
trafficking, because that's

5149
02:36:54,100 --> 02:36:55,100
what it would be. It's called

5150
02:36:55,100 --> 02:36:57,100
trafficking. And San

5151
02:36:57,100 --> 02:36:59,100
Bernardino County is

5152
02:36:59,100 --> 02:37:01,100
trafficking our kids and using

5153
02:37:01,100 --> 02:37:02,100
them. They're exploiting them

5154
02:37:02,100 --> 02:37:04,100
for the sole purpose

5155
02:37:04,100 --> 02:37:06,100
of gaining financial money

5156
02:37:06,100 --> 02:37:07,100
for the title for refunding.

5157
02:37:07,100 --> 02:37:08,100
And that

5158
02:37:08,100 --> 02:37:11,601
to me is disgusting. I'm Mama

5159
02:37:12,100 --> 02:37:14,100
Bear. I'm Mama Bear, and I'm

5160
02:37:14,100 --> 02:37:16,100
coming after my grandkids,

5161
02:37:16,100 --> 02:37:17,100
and hell's coming with me.

5162
02:37:17,100 --> 02:37:19,100
Thank you.

5163
02:37:19,100 --> 02:37:21,100
>> Thank you. Lisa Finn

5164
02:37:21,100 --> 02:37:23,401
followed by Eric Vasquez.

5165
02:37:24,100 --> 02:37:25,100
>> Good afternoon. My name is

5166
02:37:25,100 --> 02:37:27,100
Lisa Finn. This is, I don't

5167
02:37:27,100 --> 02:37:28,100
know, my 6th time or so

5168
02:37:28,100 --> 02:37:30,100
speaking. I'm speaking

5169
02:37:31,100 --> 02:37:32,100
to share my experience

5170
02:37:32,100 --> 02:37:34,100
with the Child Protective

5171
02:37:34,100 --> 02:37:35,100
Services and family court

5172
02:37:35,100 --> 02:37:36,100
system because I believe there

5173
02:37:36,100 --> 02:37:37,100
are serious injustices that

5174
02:37:37,100 --> 02:37:39,100
need to be brought to light.

5175
02:37:39,100 --> 02:37:40,100
My children were removed

5176
02:37:40,100 --> 02:37:41,100
from my care,

5177
02:37:41,100 --> 02:37:42,100
and throughout the court

5178
02:37:42,100 --> 02:37:43,100
proceedings, I felt I was not

5179
02:37:43,100 --> 02:37:44,100
given a fair opportunity to

5180
02:37:44,100 --> 02:37:46,100
defend myself. or challenge the

5181
02:37:46,100 --> 02:37:47,100
allegations being made

5182
02:37:47,100 --> 02:37:49,100
against me. Reports were served

5183
02:37:49,100 --> 02:37:51,100
on, to me

5184
02:37:51,100 --> 02:37:52,100
on the same day as court,

5185
02:37:52,100 --> 02:37:53,100
leaving me little or no

5186
02:37:53,100 --> 02:37:54,100
meaningful opportunity to

5187
02:37:54,100 --> 02:37:56,100
review the information or

5188
02:37:56,100 --> 02:37:58,100
prepare a response. I was not

5189
02:37:58,100 --> 02:37:59,100
given the opportunity

5190
02:37:59,100 --> 02:38:01,100
to question my accusers. My

5191
02:38:01,100 --> 02:38:02,100
attorneys did not adequately

5192
02:38:02,100 --> 02:38:03,100
advise me that I could contest

5193
02:38:03,100 --> 02:38:05,100
the allegations,

5194
02:38:06,100 --> 02:38:07,100
and witnesses who were willing

5195
02:38:07,100 --> 02:38:08,100
to testify

5196
02:38:08,100 --> 02:38:09,100
on my behalf were not permitted

5197
02:38:09,100 --> 02:38:10,100
to do so. I believe these

5198
02:38:10,100 --> 02:38:12,100
circumstances denied me a

5199
02:38:12,100 --> 02:38:13,100
meaningful opportunity

5200
02:38:13,100 --> 02:38:16,100
to be heard. Sorry. The

5201
02:38:23,100 --> 02:38:24,100
allegations against me were

5202
02:38:24,100 --> 02:38:26,100
eventually proven

5203
02:38:26,100 --> 02:38:27,100
to be false. However, even

5204
02:38:27,100 --> 02:38:28,100
after those allegations were

5205
02:38:28,100 --> 02:38:30,100
shown to be false,

5206
02:38:30,100 --> 02:38:32,100
my children were not returned

5207
02:38:32,100 --> 02:38:34,401
to me. Approximately 3 months

5208
02:38:35,100 --> 02:38:36,100
after my children were removed,

5209
02:38:36,100 --> 02:38:37,100
the reunification social worker

5210
02:38:37,100 --> 02:38:38,100
brought my children

5211
02:38:38,100 --> 02:38:39,100
to the home.

5212
02:38:39,100 --> 02:38:40,100
During that visit, they were

5213
02:38:40,100 --> 02:38:42,100
told, take everything you love

5214
02:38:42,100 --> 02:38:43,100
as you're never coming back

5215
02:38:43,100 --> 02:38:44,100
here. Those words have stayed

5216
02:38:44,100 --> 02:38:46,100
with me. I could not understand

5217
02:38:46,100 --> 02:38:47,100
how genuine reunification

5218
02:38:47,100 --> 02:38:49,100
efforts could be when the

5219
02:38:49,100 --> 02:38:50,100
person responsible for helping

5220
02:38:50,100 --> 02:38:51,100
with reunification was telling

5221
02:38:51,100 --> 02:38:53,100
us that my children were never

5222
02:38:53,100 --> 02:38:55,100
coming back. As the case

5223
02:38:55,100 --> 02:38:56,100
continued.

5224
02:38:56,100 --> 02:38:57,100
>> 30 seconds.

5225
02:38:57,100 --> 02:38:59,100
>> As the case continued,

5226
02:38:59,100 --> 02:39:01,100
the allegations changed. False

5227
02:39:01,100 --> 02:39:03,100
narratives stacked up court

5228
02:39:03,100 --> 02:39:04,100
proceeding

5229
02:39:04,100 --> 02:39:05,100
after court proceeding.

5230
02:39:05,100 --> 02:39:07,100
Something is terribly wrong

5231
02:39:07,100 --> 02:39:09,100
with this system, and we,

5232
02:39:09,100 --> 02:39:10,100
we're going

5233
02:39:10,100 --> 02:39:11,100
to keep coming asking you guys

5234
02:39:11,100 --> 02:39:14,100
to change it, fix it. Thank you.

5235
02:39:14,100 --> 02:39:15,100
>> Thank you very much. Eric

5236
02:39:15,100 --> 02:39:17,100
Vasquez, followed by Delina

5237
02:39:17,100 --> 02:39:18,100
Murillo, and then Amethyst

5238
02:39:18,100 --> 02:39:20,100
Yates.

5239
02:39:21,100 --> 02:39:23,100
>> Yes, good afternoon, Madam

5240
02:39:23,100 --> 02:39:25,100
Chair, Vice Chair, Board of

5241
02:39:25,100 --> 02:39:26,100
Supervisors, members

5242
02:39:26,100 --> 02:39:28,100
of the staff, and members

5243
02:39:28,100 --> 02:39:29,100
of the community. My name is

5244
02:39:29,100 --> 02:39:30,100
Eric Vasquez, and I'm from

5245
02:39:30,100 --> 02:39:31,100
True Impact, a nonprofit

5246
02:39:31,100 --> 02:39:33,100
organization that exists

5247
02:39:33,100 --> 02:39:34,100
to mentor at-promise youth

5248
02:39:34,100 --> 02:39:36,100
to heal from their trauma and

5249
02:39:36,100 --> 02:39:37,100
to find purpose.

5250
02:39:37,100 --> 02:39:39,100
In that process, we focus

5251
02:39:39,100 --> 02:39:40,100
on restorative practices,

5252
02:39:40,100 --> 02:39:42,100
restorative justice,

5253
02:39:42,100 --> 02:39:44,100
and a big emphasis

5254
02:39:44,100 --> 02:39:46,100
on mentoring. Recently, you

5255
02:39:46,100 --> 02:39:47,100
know, well, over the years,

5256
02:39:47,100 --> 02:39:49,100
I've explored so many different

5257
02:39:49,100 --> 02:39:50,100
things to touch the heart of

5258
02:39:50,100 --> 02:39:52,100
these beautiful young people,

5259
02:39:52,100 --> 02:39:55,100
to help them rehabilitate and

5260
02:39:56,100 --> 02:39:58,100
find real change. And, you

5261
02:39:58,100 --> 02:40:00,100
know, in that process, I came

5262
02:40:00,100 --> 02:40:02,100
across regenerative farming.

5263
02:40:02,100 --> 02:40:04,100
And so, I'm here today due

5264
02:40:04,100 --> 02:40:06,100
to a recent collaboration

5265
02:40:06,100 --> 02:40:08,100
with the Southern California

5266
02:40:08,100 --> 02:40:10,100
Agricultural Land Foundation.

5267
02:40:10,100 --> 02:40:12,100
What we've been doing is taking

5268
02:40:12,100 --> 02:40:14,100
these system-impacted young

5269
02:40:14,100 --> 02:40:15,100
people,

5270
02:40:15,100 --> 02:40:17,100
current or former foster youth,

5271
02:40:17,100 --> 02:40:18,100
at-promise youth,

5272
02:40:18,100 --> 02:40:19,100
and bringing them

5273
02:40:19,100 --> 02:40:21,100
into these green spaces,

5274
02:40:21,100 --> 02:40:23,100
providing them workforce

5275
02:40:23,100 --> 02:40:25,100
development, and seeing healing

5276
02:40:25,100 --> 02:40:26,100
take place as they put their

5277
02:40:26,100 --> 02:40:27,100
hands

5278
02:40:27,100 --> 02:40:28,100
to honest and good work.

5279
02:40:28,100 --> 02:40:30,100
There's something about being

5280
02:40:30,100 --> 02:40:32,100
out in nature, that touches and

5281
02:40:32,100 --> 02:40:34,100
changes the young heart. And

5282
02:40:34,100 --> 02:40:36,100
so, I'm here because I'm

5283
02:40:36,100 --> 02:40:37,100
concerned, as I've learned

5284
02:40:37,100 --> 02:40:40,100
about Prop 70 and how it's not

5285
02:40:40,100 --> 02:40:42,100
necessarily being adhered to,

5286
02:40:42,100 --> 02:40:44,100
or that there is a threat

5287
02:40:44,100 --> 02:40:46,100
to some of these lands being

5288
02:40:46,100 --> 02:40:48,100
developed. I feel

5289
02:40:48,100 --> 02:40:50,100
like finally, after 25 years

5290
02:40:50,100 --> 02:40:51,100
of youth work,

5291
02:40:51,100 --> 02:40:52,100
urban youth work.

5292
02:40:52,100 --> 02:40:54,100
>> 30 seconds.

5293
02:40:54,100 --> 02:40:55,100
>> That I have found gold, you

5294
02:40:55,100 --> 02:40:57,100
know, that I have found

5295
02:40:57,100 --> 02:40:58,100
something that 100%

5296
02:40:58,100 --> 02:41:00,100
of the time works

5297
02:41:00,100 --> 02:41:01,100
in touching the heart

5298
02:41:01,100 --> 02:41:02,100
of these young people. And so,

5299
02:41:02,100 --> 02:41:04,100
I just ask that you all take a

5300
02:41:04,100 --> 02:41:05,100
look into this and that you

5301
02:41:05,100 --> 02:41:08,100
ensure that we are running

5302
02:41:08,100 --> 02:41:10,100
in our lane and adhering to

5303
02:41:10,100 --> 02:41:12,100
Prop 70 as a county. This has

5304
02:41:12,100 --> 02:41:13,100
many impacts,

5305
02:41:13,100 --> 02:41:15,100
particularly impacts to the

5306
02:41:15,100 --> 02:41:16,100
At Promise community. Thank you

5307
02:41:16,100 --> 02:41:18,100
for hearing me today.

5308
02:41:18,100 --> 02:41:20,100
>> Thank you very much, Delina

5309
02:41:20,100 --> 02:41:22,100
Murillo, followed by Amethyst

5310
02:41:22,100 --> 02:41:23,100
Yates and then Alejandra

5311
02:41:23,100 --> 02:41:24,100
Contreras.

5312
02:41:24,100 --> 02:41:26,100
>> Board members, we have come

5313
02:41:26,100 --> 02:41:28,100
here time and time again

5314
02:41:28,100 --> 02:41:29,100
to listen to Jeanne Glasgow

5315
02:41:29,100 --> 02:41:30,100
talk about changes,

5316
02:41:30,100 --> 02:41:32,100
about oversight,

5317
02:41:32,100 --> 02:41:33,100
about reform. I want to know

5318
02:41:33,100 --> 02:41:34,100
what has actually been done.

5319
02:41:34,100 --> 02:41:36,100
You opened up 2 more courtrooms

5320
02:41:36,100 --> 02:41:37,100
this year. The county's own

5321
02:41:37,100 --> 02:41:38,100
record says it's because

5322
02:41:38,100 --> 02:41:40,100
caseloads has outgrown the

5323
02:41:40,100 --> 02:41:42,100
building. I'm asking you

5324
02:41:42,100 --> 02:41:43,100
directly, does that mean more

5325
02:41:43,100 --> 02:41:45,100
children being removed?

5326
02:41:45,100 --> 02:41:46,100
Because nobody up there has

5327
02:41:46,100 --> 02:41:48,100
answered that question,

5328
02:41:48,100 --> 02:41:50,100
and families like mine deserve

5329
02:41:50,100 --> 02:41:51,100
to know. Thank you.

5330
02:41:51,100 --> 02:41:52,100
Meanwhile, my case keeps

5331
02:41:52,100 --> 02:41:54,100
getting the same treatment your

5332
02:41:54,100 --> 02:41:55,100
oversight was supposed

5333
02:41:55,100 --> 02:41:56,100
to fix. My reports are still

5334
02:41:56,100 --> 02:41:58,100
being filed the morning

5335
02:41:58,100 --> 02:41:59,100
of hearings. For instance,

5336
02:41:59,100 --> 02:42:01,100
today's report, the one used

5337
02:42:01,100 --> 02:42:03,100
at my hearing,

5338
02:42:03,100 --> 02:42:05,100
has a last documented entry

5339
02:42:05,100 --> 02:42:06,100
from 13 days ago. 13 days,

5340
02:42:06,100 --> 02:42:09,100
and it still showed up too late

5341
02:42:09,100 --> 02:42:11,100
to properly review. And here's

5342
02:42:11,100 --> 02:42:13,100
what should concern everybody

5343
02:42:13,100 --> 02:42:15,100
in this room. The agency's own

5344
02:42:15,100 --> 02:42:17,100
report states in writing that

5345
02:42:17,100 --> 02:42:18,100
my daughter is too young

5346
02:42:18,100 --> 02:42:19,100
to understand or form an

5347
02:42:19,100 --> 02:42:21,100
opinion about adoption. And

5348
02:42:21,100 --> 02:42:23,100
then in the same report,

5349
02:42:23,100 --> 02:42:26,100
the answers of the same, sorry,

5350
02:42:26,100 --> 02:42:29,100
they use her answer anyways,

5351
02:42:29,100 --> 02:42:31,100
that adoption means she gets

5352
02:42:31,100 --> 02:42:34,100
to stay in the house forever as

5353
02:42:34,100 --> 02:42:36,100
it's informed consent. No one

5354
02:42:36,100 --> 02:42:39,100
has told this 6-year-old what

5355
02:42:39,100 --> 02:42:40,100
adoption actually means, that

5356
02:42:40,100 --> 02:42:42,100
she will never see her mother

5357
02:42:42,100 --> 02:42:44,100
again until she's 18 years old.

5358
02:42:44,100 --> 02:42:46,100
12 years, that is not staying

5359
02:42:46,100 --> 02:42:47,100
somewhere forever. That is

5360
02:42:47,100 --> 02:42:49,100
losing her mother and no one

5361
02:42:49,100 --> 02:42:50,100
explained to her before asking

5362
02:42:50,100 --> 02:42:52,100
her that question. So, my

5363
02:42:52,100 --> 02:42:54,100
question for this board is not

5364
02:42:54,100 --> 02:42:55,100
something that is taken

5365
02:42:55,100 --> 02:42:56,100
lightly.

5366
02:42:56,100 --> 02:42:58,100
>> 30 seconds.

5367
02:42:59,100 --> 02:43:00,100
>> What oversight exists?

5368
02:43:00,100 --> 02:43:01,100
Who is checking the agency's

5369
02:43:01,100 --> 02:43:02,100
work? Because right now it

5370
02:43:02,100 --> 02:43:03,100
doesn't seem

5371
02:43:03,100 --> 02:43:04,100
like anyone still is. Thank

5372
02:43:04,100 --> 02:43:05,100
you.

5373
02:43:05,100 --> 02:43:07,100
>> Thank you very much.

5374
02:43:07,100 --> 02:43:08,100
Amethyst Yates, followed by

5375
02:43:08,100 --> 02:43:09,100
Alejandra Contreras, and then

5376
02:43:09,100 --> 02:43:11,100
Stephanie.

5377
02:43:12,100 --> 02:43:13,100
>> Good afternoon, Chair and

5378
02:43:13,100 --> 02:43:15,100
members of the board. My name

5379
02:43:15,100 --> 02:43:16,100
is Amethyst Yates, and I'm

5380
02:43:16,100 --> 02:43:17,100
with the Family Reunification

5381
02:43:17,100 --> 02:43:19,100
Equity and Empowerment Project

5382
02:43:19,100 --> 02:43:22,601
at Starting Over. I was able

5383
02:43:26,100 --> 02:43:28,100
to go to a conference. There

5384
02:43:28,100 --> 02:43:29,100
was a bunch

5385
02:43:29,100 --> 02:43:31,100
of foster agencies, social

5386
02:43:31,100 --> 02:43:33,100
workers,

5387
02:43:34,100 --> 02:43:36,100
people that implement the

5388
02:43:36,100 --> 02:43:38,100
policy, remove children,

5389
02:43:38,100 --> 02:43:42,100
and all that stuff. As of July

5390
02:43:42,100 --> 02:43:44,401
1st, 2027, each child removed

5391
02:43:46,100 --> 02:43:48,100
from the home

5392
02:43:48,100 --> 02:43:50,401
at minimum will receive

5393
02:43:51,100 --> 02:43:54,100
$1,700. My numbers are a little

5394
02:43:54,100 --> 02:43:56,100
off, it's a little bit more

5395
02:43:56,100 --> 02:43:58,401
than that. However, under

5396
02:43:59,100 --> 02:44:01,100
Title VII of the Social

5397
02:44:01,100 --> 02:44:03,100
Security Act, there is money

5398
02:44:03,100 --> 02:44:05,100
there available

5399
02:44:05,100 --> 02:44:07,100
for prevention services

5400
02:44:07,100 --> 02:44:10,100
In-home. The $1,700 is for only

5401
02:44:10,100 --> 02:44:12,100
out-of-home placements. Okay,

5402
02:44:14,100 --> 02:44:16,401
so under Title IV-E,

5403
02:44:17,100 --> 02:44:20,100
they can get reimbursements for

5404
02:44:20,100 --> 02:44:22,401
these prevention services. I'm

5405
02:44:23,100 --> 02:44:25,100
really asking the board

5406
02:44:25,100 --> 02:44:27,100
to stop funding things like

5407
02:44:27,100 --> 02:44:28,100
Victor Outreach because I also

5408
02:44:28,100 --> 02:44:30,100
ran into a parent partner over

5409
02:44:30,100 --> 02:44:32,100
there that was devastated that

5410
02:44:32,100 --> 02:44:33,100
the mother got her children

5411
02:44:33,100 --> 02:44:37,100
back. Okay, this is not okay. I

5412
02:44:37,100 --> 02:44:39,100
was also privy to go

5413
02:44:39,100 --> 02:44:41,100
into CFT meetings with some

5414
02:44:41,100 --> 02:44:42,100
of the people from Victor

5415
02:44:42,100 --> 02:44:43,100
Outreach.

5416
02:44:43,100 --> 02:44:44,100
>> 30 seconds.

5417
02:44:44,100 --> 02:44:46,100
>> And they falsified

5418
02:44:47,100 --> 02:44:49,100
everything. I was like,

5419
02:44:49,100 --> 02:44:51,100
the parent never said that.

5420
02:44:51,100 --> 02:44:52,100
But when the report came back,

5421
02:44:52,100 --> 02:44:54,100
that's what was written, that

5422
02:44:54,100 --> 02:44:56,100
the mother said that when I was

5423
02:44:56,100 --> 02:44:57,100
the one that asked the

5424
02:44:57,100 --> 02:44:59,100
questions. Thank you.

5425
02:45:01,100 --> 02:45:02,100
>> Thank you. Alejandra

5426
02:45:02,100 --> 02:45:03,100
Contreras, followed by

5427
02:45:03,100 --> 02:45:04,100
Stephanie, and then Rita

5428
02:45:04,100 --> 02:45:06,100
Espinoza.

5429
02:45:07,100 --> 02:45:08,100
>> Hello, good afternoon. My

5430
02:45:08,100 --> 02:45:09,100
name is Alejandra. This is the

5431
02:45:09,100 --> 02:45:11,100
4th time I've been coming. I'm

5432
02:45:11,100 --> 02:45:13,100
here to ask you

5433
02:45:13,100 --> 02:45:15,100
to please investigate the

5434
02:45:15,100 --> 02:45:16,100
Office on Family Services and

5435
02:45:16,100 --> 02:45:18,401
1094s. I just came

5436
02:45:19,100 --> 02:45:21,100
from court. I had mediation

5437
02:45:21,100 --> 02:45:22,100
with them when the judge

5438
02:45:22,100 --> 02:45:24,100
ordered reunification,

5439
02:45:24,100 --> 02:45:26,100
and give authority

5440
02:45:27,100 --> 02:45:28,100
to give me unsupervised visits,

5441
02:45:28,100 --> 02:45:29,100
but they don't want

5442
02:45:29,100 --> 02:45:31,100
to move forward. They want me

5443
02:45:31,100 --> 02:45:32,100
to keep going trial case,

5444
02:45:32,100 --> 02:45:33,100
spending my money, because I'm

5445
02:45:33,100 --> 02:45:35,100
paying my private attorney

5446
02:45:35,100 --> 02:45:36,100
because I don't trust them.

5447
02:45:36,100 --> 02:45:39,601
They've been lying. And I had

5448
02:45:40,100 --> 02:45:42,100
to say this, I questioned my,

5449
02:45:42,100 --> 02:45:44,100
my social worker today and he

5450
02:45:44,100 --> 02:45:45,100
couldn't answer any

5451
02:45:45,100 --> 02:45:47,100
of my questions. The one he was

5452
02:45:47,100 --> 02:45:48,100
stepping in

5453
02:45:48,100 --> 02:45:49,100
in every question, it was

5454
02:45:49,100 --> 02:45:51,100
Janice. I want you

5455
02:45:51,100 --> 02:45:53,100
to investigate Janice Navas.

5456
02:45:53,100 --> 02:45:55,100
Jos Mac as, because every

5457
02:45:55,100 --> 02:45:57,100
moment kids from the second

5458
02:45:57,100 --> 02:45:58,100
home that they were abused,

5459
02:45:58,100 --> 02:46:01,100
neglected, keeping in a room

5460
02:46:01,100 --> 02:46:04,100
day and night as they were as a

5461
02:46:04,100 --> 02:46:06,100
basement. It was not a

5462
02:46:06,100 --> 02:46:07,100
basement, but the suffer and

5463
02:46:07,100 --> 02:46:09,100
mentally and emotionally it was

5464
02:46:09,100 --> 02:46:10,100
the same as being

5465
02:46:10,100 --> 02:46:12,100
on the basement. They knew all

5466
02:46:12,100 --> 02:46:13,100
this abuse, and they tried

5467
02:46:13,100 --> 02:46:17,201
to not expose it. Now that they

5468
02:46:18,100 --> 02:46:19,100
are in a new caregiver, I'm

5469
02:46:19,100 --> 02:46:21,100
concerning. because they want

5470
02:46:21,100 --> 02:46:23,100
to remove it now. But my

5471
02:46:23,100 --> 02:46:25,100
concern is that the newest

5472
02:46:25,100 --> 02:46:26,100
caregiver told me that before

5473
02:46:26,100 --> 02:46:28,100
they placed them as emergency,

5474
02:46:28,100 --> 02:46:31,100
they knew that he, that her

5475
02:46:31,100 --> 02:46:33,401
husband has sexually abused

5476
02:46:34,100 --> 02:46:35,100
accusations in the past,

5477
02:46:35,100 --> 02:46:37,100
and they placed my kids with

5478
02:46:37,100 --> 02:46:38,100
them when I have relatives.

5479
02:46:38,100 --> 02:46:39,100
>> 30 seconds.

5480
02:46:39,100 --> 02:46:40,100
>> And they tried to avoid

5481
02:46:40,100 --> 02:46:41,100
to go

5482
02:46:41,100 --> 02:46:42,100
with my relative and put it

5483
02:46:42,100 --> 02:46:44,100
with person that has sexually

5484
02:46:44,100 --> 02:46:46,100
abused accusations. And my kids

5485
02:46:46,100 --> 02:46:48,100
right now, they want to remove

5486
02:46:48,100 --> 02:46:49,100
it because those allegations

5487
02:46:49,100 --> 02:46:51,100
How come they doing this? The

5488
02:46:51,100 --> 02:46:53,100
social worker that he couldn't

5489
02:46:53,100 --> 02:46:55,100
reply to me,

5490
02:46:55,100 --> 02:46:57,100
saying that we're here to ask

5491
02:46:57,100 --> 02:46:58,100
about the business, not

5492
02:46:58,100 --> 02:46:59,100
about this.

5493
02:46:59,100 --> 02:47:00,100
But this is concerning

5494
02:47:00,100 --> 02:47:01,100
for me because my kids are

5495
02:47:01,100 --> 02:47:03,100
in danger. Every second,

5496
02:47:03,100 --> 02:47:05,100
they're in danger.

5497
02:47:05,100 --> 02:47:07,100
And I'm here to advocate.

5498
02:47:07,100 --> 02:47:08,100
Please help us. I saw Mr.

5499
02:47:08,100 --> 02:47:09,100
Hagman be

5500
02:47:09,100 --> 02:47:10,100
on the investigation.

5501
02:47:10,100 --> 02:47:11,100
>> That's time.

5502
02:47:11,100 --> 02:47:12,100
>> Thank you, Stephanie,

5503
02:47:12,100 --> 02:47:13,100
followed by Rita Espinoza and

5504
02:47:13,100 --> 02:47:15,100
then Gregory.

5505
02:47:19,100 --> 02:47:21,100
>> Hi, I'm with the Family

5506
02:47:21,100 --> 02:47:23,100
Reunification Equity and

5507
02:47:23,100 --> 02:47:26,100
Empowerment Program. I am a

5508
02:47:26,100 --> 02:47:29,100
former foster kid, so I do know

5509
02:47:29,100 --> 02:47:31,100
what they mean when they say

5510
02:47:31,100 --> 02:47:33,401
their kids are struggling.

5511
02:47:35,100 --> 02:47:37,100
They're deprived of things.

5512
02:47:37,100 --> 02:47:39,100
They can't eat. They're forced

5513
02:47:39,100 --> 02:47:40,100
to eat, and if they don't want

5514
02:47:40,100 --> 02:47:43,100
to eat, they get choked.

5515
02:47:43,100 --> 02:47:44,100
And now you guys are

5516
02:47:44,100 --> 02:47:47,100
offering money to stay there

5517
02:47:47,100 --> 02:47:49,401
till they turn 18? What's,

5518
02:47:50,100 --> 02:47:53,100
what's the point of that?

5519
02:47:55,100 --> 02:47:56,100
What's, what's the point

5520
02:47:56,100 --> 02:47:57,100
of giving money to a

5521
02:47:57,100 --> 02:47:59,100
15-year-old when she leaves the

5522
02:47:59,100 --> 02:48:02,601
foster home at 18? What is she

5523
02:48:04,100 --> 02:48:06,100
supposed to do with that money?

5524
02:48:06,100 --> 02:48:08,100
Instead of actually helping

5525
02:48:08,100 --> 02:48:10,100
us educate ourselves and

5526
02:48:10,100 --> 02:48:12,100
helping us get resources,

5527
02:48:12,100 --> 02:48:14,100
you guys are, oh, if you guys

5528
02:48:14,100 --> 02:48:15,100
stay, I'll give you guys so

5529
02:48:15,100 --> 02:48:18,601
much money. I was tortured in

5530
02:48:21,100 --> 02:48:23,100
foster care. I got removed

5531
02:48:23,100 --> 02:48:26,601
twice from a home because they

5532
02:48:27,100 --> 02:48:30,100
were SAing. The parent that

5533
02:48:32,100 --> 02:48:34,100
needed to leave or the adult

5534
02:48:34,100 --> 02:48:35,100
that needed to leave the house

5535
02:48:35,100 --> 02:48:37,100
left the house. So why were we

5536
02:48:37,100 --> 02:48:39,100
still not allowed to stay

5537
02:48:39,100 --> 02:48:41,100
at our home?

5538
02:48:44,100 --> 02:48:46,100
Why?

5539
02:48:50,100 --> 02:48:51,100
Because you guys don't care.

5540
02:48:51,100 --> 02:48:52,100
>> Thirty seconds.

5541
02:48:52,100 --> 02:48:54,100
>> Trafficking kids.

5542
02:48:57,100 --> 02:48:59,100
Sadly, but that's true.

5543
02:48:59,100 --> 02:49:01,100
That's what you guys are

5544
02:49:01,100 --> 02:49:02,100
doing, offering money for them

5545
02:49:02,100 --> 02:49:03,100
to stay there for 3 extra years

5546
02:49:03,100 --> 02:49:06,601
for what? So, they can get

5547
02:49:07,100 --> 02:49:10,100
snatched up, go through worse

5548
02:49:11,100 --> 02:49:13,100
things than what they were

5549
02:49:13,100 --> 02:49:15,100
living at home?

5550
02:49:17,100 --> 02:49:18,100
Removing them and putting

5551
02:49:18,100 --> 02:49:21,100
with strangers that you guys

5552
02:49:21,100 --> 02:49:22,100
don't even personally know.

5553
02:49:22,100 --> 02:49:23,100
>> That's time.

5554
02:49:23,100 --> 02:49:25,100
>> Stephanie, followed by

5555
02:49:25,100 --> 02:49:27,401
Rita Espinoza. Stephanie? That

5556
02:49:34,100 --> 02:49:35,100
was Stephanie?

5557
02:49:35,100 --> 02:49:37,100
>> Yes.

5558
02:49:37,100 --> 02:49:38,100
>> Okay, thank you. Rita

5559
02:49:38,100 --> 02:49:40,100
Espinoza, followed by

5560
02:49:41,100 --> 02:49:43,401
Gregory. Rita? All right,

5561
02:49:54,100 --> 02:49:56,401
moving on to Gregory.

5562
02:49:57,100 --> 02:50:00,100
>> Thank you. Oh eternal God

5563
02:50:00,100 --> 02:50:02,100
of vengeance, Oh God who sets

5564
02:50:02,100 --> 02:50:03,100
things right, shine upon us.

5565
02:50:03,100 --> 02:50:05,100
Rise, Oh Judge who presides

5566
02:50:05,100 --> 02:50:06,100
over the earth, and pronounce

5567
02:50:06,100 --> 02:50:08,100
your sentence upon the proud.

5568
02:50:08,100 --> 02:50:09,100
Give them what they deserve.

5569
02:50:09,100 --> 02:50:11,100
How long, oh Eternal One, how

5570
02:50:11,100 --> 02:50:12,100
long will the guilty revel

5571
02:50:12,100 --> 02:50:13,100
in their prosperity? Arrogance

5572
02:50:13,100 --> 02:50:16,100
pours from their mouths. All

5573
02:50:16,100 --> 02:50:17,100
these troublemakers brag

5574
02:50:17,100 --> 02:50:19,100
of their exploits. They have

5575
02:50:19,100 --> 02:50:20,100
broken your people to pieces,

5576
02:50:20,100 --> 02:50:22,100
Oh Eternal One, and brought ruin

5577
02:50:22,100 --> 02:50:24,100
to your future generations.

5578
02:50:24,100 --> 02:50:25,100
They slay a widow, kill a

5579
02:50:25,100 --> 02:50:26,100
newcomer,

5580
02:50:26,100 --> 02:50:28,100
and murder an orphan. Then they

5581
02:50:28,100 --> 02:50:30,100
say, the Eternal One can't see

5582
02:50:30,100 --> 02:50:32,100
what we're up to. The God of

5583
02:50:32,100 --> 02:50:33,100
Jacob's people pays no

5584
02:50:33,100 --> 02:50:35,100
attention to us. Think,

5585
02:50:35,100 --> 02:50:37,100
brainless people,

5586
02:50:37,100 --> 02:50:39,100
stupid people. When will you

5587
02:50:39,100 --> 02:50:40,100
get it? Does the God who set

5588
02:50:40,100 --> 02:50:41,100
the ear

5589
02:50:41,100 --> 02:50:43,100
in its place not hear? Does the

5590
02:50:43,100 --> 02:50:46,100
God who made the eye not see?

5591
02:50:46,100 --> 02:50:47,100
Does the God who teaches the

5592
02:50:47,100 --> 02:50:49,100
nations and guides humanity to

5593
02:50:49,100 --> 02:50:51,100
knowledge not exercise just

5594
02:50:51,100 --> 02:50:52,100
correction? The Eternal knows

5595
02:50:52,100 --> 02:50:53,100
the highest thoughts

5596
02:50:53,100 --> 02:50:54,100
of the wise,

5597
02:50:54,100 --> 02:50:57,100
and they are worthless. How

5598
02:50:57,100 --> 02:50:58,100
fortunate are those you

5599
02:50:58,100 --> 02:50:59,100
discipline, Oh Eternal One,

5600
02:50:59,100 --> 02:51:00,100
those you train

5601
02:51:00,100 --> 02:51:03,100
by your divine law! You relieve

5602
02:51:03,100 --> 02:51:04,100
them in times of distress

5603
02:51:04,100 --> 02:51:05,100
until a grave is dug

5604
02:51:05,100 --> 02:51:07,100
for evildoers. The Eternal will

5605
02:51:07,100 --> 02:51:09,100
not abandon his people. He will

5606
02:51:09,100 --> 02:51:10,100
not turn away

5607
02:51:10,100 --> 02:51:12,100
from those he redeemed.

5608
02:51:12,100 --> 02:51:13,100
Because justice is coming

5609
02:51:13,100 --> 02:51:16,100
for those who do what is right,

5610
02:51:16,100 --> 02:51:17,100
and all the good-hearted will

5611
02:51:17,100 --> 02:51:19,100
pursue it. Who will back me up

5612
02:51:19,100 --> 02:51:20,100
when evildoers come

5613
02:51:20,100 --> 02:51:22,100
against me? Who is willing

5614
02:51:22,100 --> 02:51:23,100
to take my side

5615
02:51:23,100 --> 02:51:24,100
against the wicked? If the

5616
02:51:24,100 --> 02:51:25,100
Eternal had not come

5617
02:51:25,100 --> 02:51:27,100
to my rescue,

5618
02:51:27,100 --> 02:51:28,100
my soul would have descended to

5619
02:51:28,100 --> 02:51:30,100
the land where death silences

5620
02:51:30,100 --> 02:51:32,100
every voice. When I said,

5621
02:51:32,100 --> 02:51:34,401
my foot is slipping!

5622
02:51:35,100 --> 02:51:36,100
>> 30 seconds.

5623
02:51:36,100 --> 02:51:38,100
>> Your unfailing love, Oh

5624
02:51:38,100 --> 02:51:39,100
Eternal One, held me up. When

5625
02:51:39,100 --> 02:51:40,100
anxiety overtakes me and

5626
02:51:40,100 --> 02:51:41,100
worries are many,

5627
02:51:41,100 --> 02:51:43,100
your comfort lightens my soul.

5628
02:51:43,100 --> 02:51:44,100
Can wicked tyrants be your

5629
02:51:44,100 --> 02:51:45,100
allies? Will you align

5630
02:51:45,100 --> 02:51:48,100
with rulers who create havoc,

5631
02:51:48,100 --> 02:51:50,100
just unjust decrees? They have

5632
02:51:50,100 --> 02:51:51,100
joined forces against the life

5633
02:51:51,100 --> 02:51:53,100
of the just living, the right

5634
02:51:53,100 --> 02:51:54,100
seeking,

5635
02:51:54,100 --> 02:51:56,100
and have sentenced the innocent

5636
02:51:56,100 --> 02:51:57,100
to death. But the Eternal has

5637
02:51:57,100 --> 02:51:59,100
been my citadel, my God, a sure

5638
02:51:59,100 --> 02:52:01,100
safe haven. He will fold their

5639
02:52:01,100 --> 02:52:02,100
wickedness back upon it.

5640
02:52:02,100 --> 02:52:04,100
>> That's time.

5641
02:52:04,100 --> 02:52:05,100
>> Thank you. Our last request

5642
02:52:05,100 --> 02:52:07,100
to speak is from Shaniqua.

5643
02:52:07,100 --> 02:52:08,100
>> Oh, she's right here.

5644
02:52:08,100 --> 02:52:09,100
You're up, you're up,

5645
02:52:09,100 --> 02:52:11,100
you're up.

5646
02:52:15,100 --> 02:52:17,100
>> She's coming.

5647
02:52:25,100 --> 02:52:26,100
>> Yeah, unfortunately. Hello

5648
02:52:26,100 --> 02:52:27,100
everybody, my name is

5649
02:52:27,100 --> 02:52:28,100
Shaniqua Shepherd. I'm the

5650
02:52:28,100 --> 02:52:30,100
National Hub affiliate

5651
02:52:31,100 --> 02:52:33,100
for the FREE Project. My

5652
02:52:33,100 --> 02:52:34,100
question is, why does CPS

5653
02:52:34,100 --> 02:52:36,100
prioritize separation over

5654
02:52:37,100 --> 02:52:39,100
for serving our families? Why

5655
02:52:39,100 --> 02:52:41,100
do we allow doctors to take our

5656
02:52:41,100 --> 02:52:43,100
mentally ill children,

5657
02:52:44,100 --> 02:52:45,100
who we as parents have dealt

5658
02:52:45,100 --> 02:52:46,100
with the challenges,

5659
02:52:46,100 --> 02:52:47,100
but you can take them off

5660
02:52:47,100 --> 02:52:49,100
of all their medications? When

5661
02:52:49,100 --> 02:52:50,100
that child goes home and

5662
02:52:50,100 --> 02:52:51,100
attempts to kill his mother,

5663
02:52:51,100 --> 02:52:53,100
we blame mom

5664
02:52:53,100 --> 02:52:55,401
for being the problem.

5665
02:52:56,100 --> 02:52:58,100
But how? If I took my child

5666
02:52:58,100 --> 02:53:00,100
to be assessed,

5667
02:53:00,100 --> 02:53:02,100
and I say his medicine isn't

5668
02:53:02,100 --> 02:53:04,100
working, you all agree.

5669
02:53:04,100 --> 02:53:05,100
But a doctor who had too much

5670
02:53:05,100 --> 02:53:07,100
to drink and came

5671
02:53:07,100 --> 02:53:08,100
to work said otherwise,

5672
02:53:08,100 --> 02:53:09,100
took my child off

5673
02:53:09,100 --> 02:53:10,100
of his medication,

5674
02:53:10,100 --> 02:53:14,801
but I lose my kids. Me. So I

5675
02:53:16,100 --> 02:53:19,100
went from being a victim

5676
02:53:19,100 --> 02:53:22,100
of CPS to surviving CPS

5677
02:53:22,100 --> 02:53:23,100
to advocating

5678
02:53:23,100 --> 02:53:24,100
for other families. My question

5679
02:53:24,100 --> 02:53:27,100
to you is, when do we stop

5680
02:53:27,100 --> 02:53:30,100
using these kids as a paycheck

5681
02:53:30,100 --> 02:53:31,100
and take the money that we're

5682
02:53:31,100 --> 02:53:33,100
giving to these foster parents

5683
02:53:33,100 --> 02:53:34,100
who are sometimes not doing

5684
02:53:34,100 --> 02:53:35,100
what they need

5685
02:53:35,100 --> 02:53:36,100
to do and giving it to the

5686
02:53:36,100 --> 02:53:38,100
family so that we can give them

5687
02:53:38,100 --> 02:53:39,100
beds, give them food, give them

5688
02:53:39,100 --> 02:53:41,100
the help that they need?

5689
02:53:41,100 --> 02:53:42,100
Better yet, can we start

5690
02:53:42,100 --> 02:53:44,100
prioritizing preventative

5691
02:53:45,100 --> 02:53:46,100
measures and services versus

5692
02:53:46,100 --> 02:53:48,100
removing these children? When

5693
02:53:48,100 --> 02:53:50,401
is enough? 25, 22, 19, the ages

5694
02:53:55,100 --> 02:53:56,100
of my children today.

5695
02:53:56,100 --> 02:53:58,100
>> 30 seconds.

5696
02:53:58,100 --> 02:54:00,100
>> 3-year-old grandson. You all

5697
02:54:00,100 --> 02:54:01,100
didn't help my kids. You didn't

5698
02:54:01,100 --> 02:54:03,100
teach them anything. They

5699
02:54:03,100 --> 02:54:04,100
learned more at home

5700
02:54:04,100 --> 02:54:05,100
from mom, the person you said

5701
02:54:05,100 --> 02:54:06,100
that was a threat to them.

5702
02:54:06,100 --> 02:54:08,100
Thank you for your time.

5703
02:54:08,100 --> 02:54:09,100
>> Thank you very much. We're

5704
02:54:09,100 --> 02:54:10,100
going to move on

5705
02:54:10,100 --> 02:54:12,100
to our reports from our CEO,

5706
02:54:12,100 --> 02:54:13,100
Luther.

5707
02:54:13,100 --> 02:54:14,100
>> Thank you, Madam Chair.

5708
02:54:14,100 --> 02:54:15,100
When we wrap up this meeting

5709
02:54:15,100 --> 02:54:16,100
today

5710
02:54:16,100 --> 02:54:17,100
in just a couple minutes,

5711
02:54:17,100 --> 02:54:19,100
we're actually going to shift

5712
02:54:19,100 --> 02:54:22,100
over and recognize some county

5713
02:54:22,100 --> 02:54:23,100
staff who have some incredible

5714
02:54:23,100 --> 02:54:25,100
tenure. 85 different county

5715
02:54:25,100 --> 02:54:27,100
employees hitting over 25 years

5716
02:54:27,100 --> 02:54:29,100
of service, 2

5717
02:54:29,100 --> 02:54:30,100
of our employees hitting 40

5718
02:54:30,100 --> 02:54:32,100
years of service,

5719
02:54:32,100 --> 02:54:33,100
and one an incredible 45 years

5720
02:54:33,100 --> 02:54:34,100
of service

5721
02:54:34,100 --> 02:54:36,100
to this great county. So

5722
02:54:36,100 --> 02:54:37,100
excited to, to go

5723
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over and be able to recognize

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these fine employees. So, thank

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you very much, Madam Chair, and

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appreciate the opportunity.

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>> Thank you very much. This

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meeting stands adjourned. Our

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next regularly scheduled Board

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of Supervisors meeting will be

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here at 10 AM on September 1st.

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Thank you very much.