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This is the special commissioner meeting
of July 29th, 2026 at 6:00 p.m. at the

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Sussex County Administrative Center
Commissioner Meeting Room, One Spring

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Street, Newton, New Jersey. Can I have a
roll call, please?

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» Commissioner Carney,
>> here. Deputy Director Degru here.

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» Commissioner Henderson here.
>> Commissioner Silverthornne here.

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» Director Space here. Okay. Number three.
Moment of silence and salute to the

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flag.
>> I wasn't going to do a moment of

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silence, but um I am going to do a
moment of silence. Uh today,

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Commissioner Silverthornne and his wife
Liz Silverthornne lost Liz's mother,

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Lillian Babson. And I just want to take
a moment to recognize her loss.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liy and

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justice for all.

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Number four, public statement. Pursuant
to the Open Public Meetings Act, PL1975,

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C231, and PL 2025 C72, adequate notice
as defined has been made via electronic

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posting and email. Such notice being
submitted on July 24th, 2026 from the

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administrative center of the county of
Sussex located at 1 Spring Street,

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Newton, New Jersey to the following. the
New Jersey Herald and is also posted on

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www.sussex.nj.
us. The bulletin board maintained the

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administrative center for public
announcements and has been submitted to

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the Sussex County Clerk in compliance
with said act. At this time, please mute

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all electronic devices.

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Okay. Number five, approval of agenda.
There will be a change to tonight's

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agenda. Item 24 number seven is being
removed. And I will let Lorraine

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explain.

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» We no longer have to have executive
session because the uh issue that was

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going to be addressed has been resolved
prior to today's meeting. Thank you.

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» Okay. Can I get a motion to approve the
agenda?

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» Still moved.
>> Okay. Commissioner Corning. A second

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from Commissioner Silverthornne. Any
discussion? All in favor? I oppose.

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Abstain. Okay. Agenda is approved.
Number six, there are no proclamations,

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certificates, or presentations. Number
seven, no public hearing. Number eight,

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public session from the floor. This
public session is for those wishing to

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make a comment of 3 minutes or less
regarding an agenda item. Please line up

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at the microphone and state your name,
municipality, and agenda topic for the

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record. Can I get a motion to open the
floor for public comment? So move.

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Second.
>> Okay. Commissioner Henderson and a

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second from Deputy Director Degrroot.
Any discussion? All in favor?

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» I oppose. Abstain. Okay, the floor is
open. And if you could just like speak

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into the microphone because sometimes
it's hard for people to

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» It should be good to pass it. Yeah.
>> Good. Thank you,

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» Michelle Van Allen. Hardest Township.
I'm going to read real quickly um a

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statement made by um Governor Cheryl a
couple of days ago. Um, she said, "One

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week ago, I informed New Jerseyians that
a serious software error in the Motor

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Vehicle Commission system has improperly
registered approximately 6600

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individuals to vote between the 23 and
24 during the previous administration. I

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promised New Jerseyians that my
administration would confront the issue

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with accountability and urgency. Today,
I want to provide an update on the

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progress we've made over the last seven
days. We moved aggressively on multiple

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fronts, reaching out directly to those
affected and beginning the role process

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of correcting the voter roles. MVC motor
vehicle has mailed letters to the

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individuals who were impacted by the
software error to supplement these

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notifications. We've launched a website
with answers to frequently asked

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questions, information about the voter
registration review process, and support

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resources. The website is nj.gov/mvcs

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errors 2023. At the same time, the
[clears throat] division of elections

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has begun a process to remove more than
4,500 individuals who were registered

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solely through this software error. The
remaining registrations will be referred

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to county election officials for
additional review to ensure that any

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lawfully registered voters are not being
disenfranchised. We are taking this

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extra step because our initial review
indicates that a number of these

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individuals may be citizens that have
been that has been the case in other

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states where clerical and administrative
voter registration errors have occurred

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and we've we're determined to get this
right. Just as we have an obligation to

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remove everyone who is not eligible to
vote, we also have a responsibility to

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protect the voting rights of eligible
New Jersey citizens and ensure no one is

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improperly removed from the roles. And
we are going to do just that. As I said

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last week, this is what accountable
government looks like. We inherited a

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problem. We didn't hide it. We didn't
deny it. We're investigating it and

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we're going to fix it the right way.
That approach stands in stark contrast

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to how MAGA Republicans have responded
to this issue. From the moment I made

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the public this this public and launched
the investigation, Donald Trump and his

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followers have to weaponize the issue to
advance their voter suppression schemes

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and they are trying to target the
individuals affected who were registered

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[clears throat]
>> through no fault of their own. I won't

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let them do either. New Jerseyians
should have confidence that every

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eligible citizen can vote. every lawful
vote will be counted and their

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government will act quickly and
transparently when problems arise.

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That's my responsibility as governor and
we'll continue providing public updates

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while the investigation moves forward.
And I trust uh Governor Cheryl to handle

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this properly and I'm going to trust
that the commissioner board will handle

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this properly as well. I'm not even sure
where this falls under your purview.

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Maybe you'll explain that to us tonight.
But we're hoping that um

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what's going on in Washington right now,
the voter suppression that's going to be

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done by the the regime that's in charge
because I don't even consider it

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administration because they're not
administering anything but their own

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agenda. I hope that um you're going to
stand up what's right for the people

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because I know you've said you've
supported him before. I can't support

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what he's doing. Thank you.

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three minutes you say.

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» Okay. Raymond Twin, Municipality,
uh, Hampton Township. Uh, I'd actually

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like to just oppose both of the items on
resolutions on the agenda this evening

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for the same reason. They both appear to
be outside of the powers of the uh

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county outside of its remit and
completely irrelevant to any of its

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responsibilities
is which the commissioners have been

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tasked with and I really think that's
all that needs to be said. Thank you.

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» Hello, my name is Matthew Colbeach. K A
LB A C like the phone. Um, I'm a, you

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know, local resident of Hamburg. Um, I
lived at the Sussex Motel for a while as

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their manager.
I have a little bit of experience on

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what it was like

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earning that facility into what it was
today. But to know that county officials

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were involved in dumping homeless
people.

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Yes.
This would be the voter fraud. So, um,

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with that experience, given that the
state troopers were being controlled in

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that manner, um, we had that same
problem in Burnsville, North Carolina

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with absentee ballot mismanagement where
sheriffs were improperly handling,

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observing, or dropping charges for
felons so that way if they voted a

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certain way, they were then treated with
leniency or like I said, those charges

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were then dropped. This happened in
2011. The Anie County News, the

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newspaper I worked for, a threeperson
newspaper, won one of the highest awards

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in journalism, the EW Howard Scripps
Award for distinguished service to the

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First Amendment because of this issue.
So you have to understand by showing the

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road map of how you can steal an
election, a municipality, you can steal

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an entire state by targeting these weak
municipalities. Literally just heard

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someone come up here and say that it
isn't your responsibility to look into

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this. absolutely is your responsibility
to look into the integrity of your

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elections because you guys are obviously
in charge and you can perpetually put

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yourselves there in the type of
apparatus that existed in Yansy County

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and that was proved and put a sheriff in
that county in a 60-year dynasty, the

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longest running sheriff in uh in United
States history. So it just gives you

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just a small contrast of what you're
dealing with and the type of people in

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the community that actually have the
experience to know where to look. So

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this might be a software glitch, but
there certainly is a lot more to just

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software glitches and people making
excuses for issues that shouldn't be

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just brushed to the table like that. So,
um, with that being said, you guys need

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to draft legislation or at least begin
looking at legislation that brings

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transparency to how the absentee ballot
process and if your sheriffs are

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involved. Now, my understanding doesn't
have sheriffs that the state troopers

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are mainly responsible for the area. And
in my experience, most of those state

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troopers while I ran the Sussex Motel
professionally were extremely

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unprofessional. and I posted a review, I
mean a video that went viral some 3 four

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weeks ago with over 10,000 views of my
small little window of experience. And

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uh so with that, commissioners, I I ask
that you definitely look into this

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matter.
You appreciate it.

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» My name is Rebecca Marino. I am a
resident of Hart. I am speaking tonight

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in support of both resolution A and
resolution B. I believe our country's

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foundation relies on secure elections
and safe committees. Right now, Trenton

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[clears throat] is threatening both.
Regarding resolution A, it is completely

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unacceptable that a state software error
allowed over 6,600 non-citizens

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[clears throat]
to be improperly registered to vote.

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Voting is a sacred right for United
States citizens. I fully support this

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board's demand for transparent
investigation and an immediate halt to

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almatic MVC registrations.
Regarding resolution B, Trenton's recent

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sanctuary policies are making our
communities less safe. [clears throat]

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Restricting our local police from
cooperating with federal agencies like

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ICE is a dangerous political game.
Creating a so-called safe spaces puts a

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massive unfair burden on our local law
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We need our local, state, and federal
agencies working together, not being

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forced apart by state mandates. Thank
you to this board of commissioners for

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having the courage to stand up
[clears throat] to Trenton.

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By supporting these resolutions, you are
fighting for the rule of law in Sus

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County. I urge you to vote yes on both.
Thank you for your time. [clears throat]

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Good evening. Um I'm Dr. Claire Golden,
resident of Andover Township and um in

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the interest of full transparency, I
just want to state up front that I am

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running against Commissioner Carney for
the position of county clerk in the

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upcoming November election. and I
welcome the opportunity to more

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thoroughly discuss election security and
other issues with him in the upcoming

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debate hosted by the League of Women
Voters. So, I hope we can meet there

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again. Um, as for resolution A,
resolution A, it might surprise you that

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I agree with a lot of what is stated in
resolution A, but my opinion is that in

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many times it is overstated and has a
real risk of of sewing distrust and a

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lack of faith in our election, which
would result in more voter suppression.

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Not saying that's your motive, but I'm
saying that may be a consequence that

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you haven't considered. Um, I agree that
this mistake by the motor vehicle

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commission is serious and needs to be
investigated. There needs to be

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accountability and it has to be done
with transparency. And I argue I argue

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that as we have that already that is
what the governor is doing and I think

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we should all support her in those
efforts. Um, what we don't want is to

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turn this into at the taxpayers's
expense a multi-million dollar hunt for

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mud to sling at each other in a
political circus. So, I caution you all

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do things that are motivated by serving
the people, not by grandstanding for a

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political party. And
the danger and distrust is the real

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danger
of Proposition A. Now, as for

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Proposition B, I think it's even more
dangerous because this resolution is

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potentially um as it worded, it would
disrupt the proper balance between state

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and federal authority over elections. Um
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the government the Constitution of the
United States separates the powers and

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it gives primary power to the states to
run their own elections. We're at

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danger. And if you don't believe me,
listen to the threat that

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Wayne Mark Mullen, director of DHS, said
he was going he threatened

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election workers, clerks, and all state
and local officials uh with imprisonment

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possibly if they don't, as he say,
comply with federal uh election

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measures, security measures. I don't see
them as security measures. I see them as

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another brick in the road to autocracy.
We're not a dictatorship. will never be

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a kingdom. And I think rather than write
resolutions supporting a potential

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takeover, I think what you should be
doing is writing a resolution that

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stands in support of our state's rights
and our individual county rights to run

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our elections without unwarranted
interference.

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Phil Dphano, Branchville.
$35,000 was the approximate cost cited

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for the 2019 sanctuary state resolution
and ballot question. And what did

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taxpayers get for it? A political
message on the ballot that had no power

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to change immigration law. Then in 2020,
we did it again with the Second

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Amendment Sanctuary Resolution. The
county board spent time and taxpayer

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resources on another symbolic resolution
that could not change state or federal

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law. And now here we are again. As Dr.
Golden pointed out tonight, we

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apparently can't let a good crisis go to
waste. This time we're being asked to

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pass two more resolutions surrounding an
election security issue that is already

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being investigated and addressed through
the appropriate legal and governmental

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channels. Let me be clear. I support
election security. I support

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investigating the software failure. I
support identifying registrations that

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need further review. Referring
appropriate matters to law enforcement

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and fixing whatever went wrong. But we
need facts, not fear. We need

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accountability, not political theater.
The existing election system has

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processes for reviewing voter
registrations and investigating

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[clears throat] potential violations.
The appropriate state and local

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authorities are already involved. The
answer is not to undermine public

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confidence by suggesting that our
elections are somehow out of control.

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And it certainly shouldn't be to spend
taxpayer money on political resolutions

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that don't actually solve the problem.
Dr. Golden was right. this issue like

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the 2019 sanctuary resolution,
excuse [clears throat] me, and the 2020

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Second Amendment resolution risk
becoming another vehicle for partisan

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politics rather than responsible county
government. So tonight, I have one

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simple question. What will these
resolutions actually accomplish that the

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existing investigative and election
security processes cannot? If the answer

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is nothing substantive, then we're
asking taxpayers to pay for symbolism

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instead of solutions. Clare said we need
cool heads, transparency, and fiscal

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responsibility. I agree. Investigate the
problem. Fix the system. Hold people

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accountable where appropriate, but don't
use a serious issue to manufacture fear,

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distrust, or political advantage. Sussex
County deserves better than another

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political circus. And come November, I
hope voters remember the difference

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between governing and grandstanding.
Thank you.

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Good evening. Ray Morris from Newton.
First, I want to commend everyone who

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came out tonight. Regardless of our
political differences, this is dem this

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[clears throat] is democracy in action.
People are concerned about our

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elections. They care about the integrity
of the process and they have taken the

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time to come here and make their voices
heard. That deserves respect. But I

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think we als I [clears throat] think we
also need to be honest about why this

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room is so full tonight. The outrage
we're seeing didn't begin with the

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discovery of these registration errors.
It grew out of a much larger political

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narrative that began after the 2020
election. The claim that de that

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Democrats had engaged in a massive
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election. That claim, which many of us
refer to as the big lie, is still being

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promoted by Donald Trump and many of his
loyal supporters. And despite years of

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investigations, court proceedings,
audits, recounts, and examinations of

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the 2020 election, no evidence has
emerged demonstrating the massive

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conspiracy that was alleged. Republicans
have had years of opportunity,

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including control of the Senate and
significant influence in state

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governments to produce evidence
supporting those allegations. If such

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evidence existed, you would expect
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proof would have emerged. It didn't.
That doesn't mean we should ignore

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genuine problems with our election
system. Quite the opposite. If

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approximately 6,600 people were
improperly registered because of a

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software error that deserves
investigation. We should know how it

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happened, why it happened, and how it
was discovered, what safeguards are

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being put in place to prevent it from
happening again. And I agree with

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everyone here on one fundamental
principles. Our elections must be

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secure, accurate, and worthy of public
confidence. But there's an important

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line we should not cross. A real error
is not the same as evidence of

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conspiracy. And there's recent example
that I think is worth considering. Just

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this week, the Pentagon's own casualty
database briefly reported that 14

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American service members had died in the
Iran conflict after previously reporting

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18. Four service members had effectively
disappeared from the official online

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count. The Pentagon attributed the
discrepancy to yes software or data

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processing problem. The numbers were
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casualties accounted for through a
different category. [clears throat] We

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would rightly uh we should apply that
same standard here. A computer system

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can fail. A database can transmit
incorrect information. A government

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agency can make a mistake. None of those
things by themselves demonstrate a

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conspiracy. So before we decide that we
need new laws, new restrictions on voter

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registration, shouldn't we first make
sure that the laws and safeguards we

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already have be uh are being followed?
New Jersey already has procedures for

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verifying voter registrations,
maintaining voter roles, and auditing

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election results. We have voter verified
paper records and independent post

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election audits. What happens here is is
a software failure, not a failure of the

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law itself. So let's fix the software.
Let's hold the responsible vendor

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accountable. Let's make sure the
existing safeguards are properly

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intimate implemented and independently
verified. But let's not automatically

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conclude that the answer is so is to
change the rules for every legitimate

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voter and [clears throat]

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Angela Delucia, president of the Sussex
County Education Association. I reside

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in Sparta. I'm here tonight representing
the educators and education support

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professionals who serve the children,
families, and communities of Sussex

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County every day. We are deeply
disappointed that taxpayer dollars and

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public resources have been used to
convene an emergency meeting, not to

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address an actual emergency, but to
advance resolutions that provide no

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meaningful benefit to the people of this
county. Emergency meetings should be

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reserved for urgent action that protects
the public. Tonight's agenda does none

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of that. These resolutions will not
reduce property taxes, lower health care

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costs, improve public safety, create
jobs, or help families struggling to

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make ends meet. They offer no practical
solutions to the challenges Sussex

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County residents face every day.
Instead, this meeting uses public time

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and resources to advance political
messaging while pressing local issues

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remain unresolved. As educators, we know
what real emergency looks like. We see

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students struggling with anxiety, food
insecurity, housing instability. We see

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families stretched by rising costs. We
see school districts forced to eliminate

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staff, increase class sizes, and reduce
opportunities for students because

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health care costs continue to consume
education budgets. Those are real

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emergencies. Those are the issues that
deserve your attention. And leadership.

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And leadership is not measured by
symbolic resolutions. Leadership is

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measured by results. It is measured by
whether government solves problems,

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spends taxpayer dollars responsibly, and
improves the lives of the people it

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serves. The people of Sussex County
elected you to solve problems, not stage

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political performances. They expect you
to address the issues affecting their

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daily lives, use public resources
responsibly, and work together to

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strengthen our communities. The Sussex
County Education Association

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respectfully urges this board to focus
its time, energy, and resources on real

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challenges facing Sussex County and to
do the work you were elected to do. Our

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students are watching. Our families are
watching. And the people of Sussex

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County deserve leadership defined by
service, responsibility, and results.

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Thank you.

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Kathy Brennan, Hampton Township. I
wanted to discuss a little bit about uh

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resolution B. Um in regards to ICE
agents, um I find your opposition to the

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New Jersey uh laws regarding ICE agents
to be counterproductive. Your claims

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that repealing these laws would make us
safest, I find truly to be false. These

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laws are designed to keep us safe from
rogue, ill-trained agents running a muck

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in our communities at the moment. These
agents racially profile with no judicial

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warrants. No due process is provided and
it's all to fulfill a daily quotota

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required by the administration.
Detaining the quote unquote worst of the

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worst is not done in this way. To get
the quote unquote worst of the worst, it

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takes investigative work, judicial
warrants, and getting the proper people.

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ISIS is detaining, in some cases,
killing immigrants, and detaining

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citizens, immigrants that have committed
no crimes. The Kato Institute says that

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at least 70% of those detained are
either citizens in the process of

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becoming citizens or have committed no
crimes. And then these people are sent

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off to detention centers, concentration
camps, whatever you want to call them.

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And they are left there sitting there
indefinitely with no due process,

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nothing that can be done. Recently, two
more individuals were killed by ICE. And

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DHS said, "Oh, by the way, it was a
mistake. We got the wrong people. Oops.

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Sorry. Well, that doesn't cut it. That
is totally unacceptable to say, "Oops,

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we killed the wrong people." Demasking
agents may help with this because if

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they can be identified, they can be
brought to justice and perhaps it'll

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make them think before they do some
these crazy things. Allowing agents into

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schools, churches, hospitals, and
courtrooms would further traumatize the

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community and lead to more violence and
death. Would you like your child or

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grandchild to come home from school
traumatized, saying mass men came

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running in and they aggressively
abducted people? I don't think that's

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what this country was about. This is not
the country I grew up in. We were taught

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to embrace other citizens and immigrants
o as well regardless of race, color,

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sex, or religion. Some of you tout your
Christianity,

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yet you either turn away or worse, you
actually condone these terrible,

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inhumane policies. And I think this
needs to stop. Thank you.

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Good evening, Director Space, members of
the Sussex County Commissioner Board. My

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name is Matt Rooney and I hail from
Camden County down in South Jersey,

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which some of you know as Delaware
because it's so far south. But I made it

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up here tonight because I want to do
something that very rarely happens in

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this context. And I know this as a
long-term m municipal attorney. It's to

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come here and tell you thank you for
your leadership and your courage on this

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issue. I am a very proud New Jerseyian
and I'm proud to stand here tonight as

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the executive director of the New Jersey
chapter, the America First Policy

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Institute that fights for America First
values here in the state of New Jersey.

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And there's not a lot of courage right
now and there's a lot of bad information

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out there. Respectfully, and I say this
as a fellow New Jerseyian, I heard of a

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lot of it here tonight. I heard a lot of
ad hom attacks. I heard a lot of

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hyperbolic language concerning
concentration camps, which is someone

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whose grandfather fought in World War
II, I have to be honest, really twists

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me. But perhaps the one that I found the
most offensive is when I hear an

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educator say, "We're not in a crisis."
This is a crisis as real as the one that

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we faced 250 years ago when this state
was fighting along with 12 other

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colonies for its independence. Look
around the room tonight. I agree that

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this is a wonderful demonstration
democracy, even though I strongly

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disagree with some of my fellow
citizens. But that's the key word,

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right? Citizens.
400 at least New Jerseyians voted

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residents of the state voted illegally,
right? In this state. That's what the

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Cheryl administration has admitted to.
That means every single person in this

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room right now, whether you are okay
with sanctuary statehood or you're

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opposed to it, your vote was canceled
out.

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6,600 more in the roles and we don't
know how many because we don't have

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transparency from this administration.
They're looking at only one year when we

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currently have people facing criminal
charges in New Jersey from prior to when

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the alleged glitch happened. Sanctuary
statethood is not a victimless crime. It

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is not political showboating to stand up
against it. It's been estimated that

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sanctuary statehood cost the state about
$7.5

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billion a year. And there have been
countless victims of crime, illegal

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alien crime, including all not that long
ago, a mother and her beautiful young

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daughter that was killed in Ocean
County, New Jersey when they were struck

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by a drunken driver who was in this
country illegally. Those are two New

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Jersey citizens that would still be here
tonight, but for those policies. So

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sometimes, unfortunately, the least
informed voices are the loudest, but I

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want you to know that New Jersey stands
with you. You are doing what you can to

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defend this great state. God bless you
for it, and thank you for it.

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» Hi, my name is Jake McCarthy. Uh, I live
in Andover. Uh I've lived in Sussex

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County my whole life. Uh which is about
35 years. Uh I even lived here when I

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was going to school in Newark, which uh
is mentioned. Um so I personally

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disagree with the concept of rallying to
send ice into church schools, hospitals,

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and daycarees. Uh I just wanted to draw
your attention to something since

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Newark's Delaney Hall is specifically
mentioned in uh resolution B. Um there

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have been protests since May 2025. Uh
the law which is referenced in 14B ends

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up being signed in March of this year.
Um the incident which was made the news

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occurred in May of 2026 and today it's
uh July. We're in Sussex County which is

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not Newark. Um we're in a special
session and I would argue it lacks

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urgency and legitimacy. Uh neither 5
days notice nor 3 minutes is enough to

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cover both of these vastly diff
different topics. So I just chose to

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cover that one. I oppose both. Uh, thank
you for your time.

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» Hi, my name is Nick D. Fabrisio. I live
in Augusta. Um, I don't need to add any

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more to the conversation. You've heard
it both sides pretty much. Uh, just a

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couple of additional points. One, I
think the, uh, the governor's taking the

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right approach. The Chesa firm is the
perfect firm to do the initial

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investigation on this matter. Jeff Chasa
was not only the last Republican senator

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we had, but he was also a US attorney
and a uh uh attorney general. He's a

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very trustworthy guy. I think Democrats
and Republicans can trust his judgment.

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I think if you send it to the
legislature for an investigation,

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they'll make a a mad house out of it and
waste a ton of money and they'll just be

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infighting. I suggest we let him and his
firm gather the evidence first and then

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a biccameal and um bipartisan group of
legislators can then deal with that

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evidence and then with or without
subpoena power. That's my

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recommendation. Um in terms of the the
gravity of it, yeah, 400 [clears throat]

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votes is a big deal. 6,000 is a big
deal. But let me give you a couple of

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other numbers to put it in perspective.
The total number of registered voters in

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New Jersey are 6,549,000.
So roughly 1 in a,000 we're talking

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about in this glitch. And in terms of
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That's not those are not unusual numbers
for large computerated issues in my

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experience as practicing law in 40
years. But let me give you a couple of

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other numbers. 15,7833
votes in the last guminatorial election

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were rejected, including 414. Kind of an
interesting number here in Sussex

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County. I would like to see us do a
better job with that. Many of those

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votes may have been um properly
rejected, but some of them were not.

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There are people, particularly elderly
people, who screw up for one reason or

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another, and we should be able to do a
better job of saving their votes.

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Second, the other number that really
gets me is 51%. That's the percentage of

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registered voters that actually cast a
to vote in the last gubinatorial

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election. That is a disgrace. 54% in
Sussex County, that's a disgrace. If we

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don't do a better job of getting
everybody to vote, particularly young

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people, that's the biggest risk to our
democracy. Not immigrants, not computer

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glitches, but a lack of interest among
the general public. We need to find a

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better way to get people engaged and
voting whether they vote for one side or

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the other. That to me is the biggest
issue here. Thank you.

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» Hi, Sandy Pender, Freeden Township. Uh
good to see you all again. It's been a

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00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:06,880
little bit. Uh I am here to speak out
against you on both resolution A and B,

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but I'm going to focus on resolution B.
The state of New Jersey enacted major

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legislation in March regarding law
enforcement operations and federal state

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cooperation in regard to immigration
policy. The first part of the legisl

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00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:24,960
legislation, the immigration trust
directive codification, formally bans

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and state law enforcement from entering
into or renewing federal agreements that

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00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:35,760
deputize local police as immigration
enforcers. It also prohibits police from

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00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:42,079
stopping, questioning, arresting, or
detaining individuals solely based on

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00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:46,800
actual or suspected immigration status.
It also bars holding individuals past

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00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:52,399
their scheduled criminal release date
strictly on civil immigration detainers.

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Please keep in mind that there are
exceptions to all of these, particularly

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when a final order of removal exists or
if the person has committed a major

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felony. To paraphrase an elected
official, New Jersey resources, our tax

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00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:12,720
dollars should not be used to do federal
agents jobs. I think we can all agree

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00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:18,720
that ICE has been given more than enough
federal dollars to do their jobs. Again,

433
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:22,720
our hard-earned tax dollars. The second
part of the legislation, the Law

434
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:26,960
Enforcement Officer Protection Act,
requires law enforcement officers,

435
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:31,119
including federal agents operating in
the state of New Jersey, to display

436
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:35,760
visible identification and present
credentials prior to detaining or

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00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:40,400
arresting anyone.
Officers are prohibited from wearing

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00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:45,920
masks or disguises that conceal their
facial identity during public-f facing

439
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:50,160
official duties. Again, there are
reasonable exceptions such as for

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00:35:47,839 --> 00:35:54,640
undercover operations.
I think we can all agree that if your

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00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:59,920
spouse, children, or neighbor were being
pulled over for a traffic stop, we would

442
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:04,880
we would all want an officer to have
visible identification and not be

443
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:10,079
wearing a mask. To suggest otherwise is
dangerous and steers us in the direction

444
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:13,839
of an authoritarian state. The final
part of the legislation, the Privacy

445
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:17,760
Protection Act, restricts state and
local agencies and healthc care

446
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:23,119
facilities from collecting or retaining
sensitive personal information like

447
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:28,960
citizenship status, place of birth, or
taxpayer identification numbers unless

448
00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:34,160
it is necessary for service delivery.
These laws have been enacted to protect

449
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:39,359
us all against civil rights abuses and
protect due process protections. When

450
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:44,160
ICE is operating, it must be doing so
lawfully. Immigration enforcement

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00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:49,440
requires a judicial warrant to stop and
detain people as this is not a fishing

452
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:55,800
expedition. I hope that you will use our
resources wisely and protect our

453
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,800
citizens. Thank you.

454
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:07,520
» Hello. Um Birdie Green Monu.
Um, it's getting exhausting watching you

455
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:12,480
play to your base instead of doing your
actual jobs and addressing what's

456
00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:16,000
important to all your constituents.
Tonight's two resolutions make a show

457
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:20,720
for your party but do nothing to help
people in real life. The governor caught

458
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:24,880
this misregistration issue, made it
public, and immediately launched an

459
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:28,800
independent investigation by a law firm
headed by a former Republican senator

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00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:33,680
along with the at office of the attorney
general. That is literally proof that

461
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:38,720
the system is working. No system is
perfect. What matters is fixing errors

462
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:42,960
fast. But instead of being realistic,
you're seizing on a tech mistake to push

463
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:47,280
the same, tired, baseless voter fraud
claims you were shouting about before

464
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:51,920
this even happened. You're trying to
exploit a bad situation to justify worse

465
00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:55,200
outcomes like making voting harder and
open to fewer people who can legally

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00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:59,200
register.
We have orderly and fair elections in

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00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:02,720
New Jersey. And if we didn't, then it
calls into question the process that

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00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:06,480
elected our current president.
and the elections which keep returning

469
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:10,720
your one party government to power in
Sussex County, which I'm sure you don't

470
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:14,240
want challenged.
We could be talking about how to stop

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00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:18,400
big tech from stealing all our water and
electricity with data centers like

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00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:21,920
they're trying to do in Andover,
but instead we're wasting time rehashing

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00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:26,320
an error by a tech firm which the state
has already fired.

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00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:30,240
The second resolution is truly heinous.
We have an outofcrol federal government

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00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:35,280
exceeding and abusing its authority.
They attack and in some cases kill

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00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:39,119
innocent people. It's tragic that your
response is to double down and ask our

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00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:42,960
state to reverse what progress we have
made for human rights and openly call on

478
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,320
your counterparts to break these state
laws.

479
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:50,160
The issues you raise were settled years
ago. The 10th amendment to the US

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00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:54,240
Constitution, a document I don't think
you've read, makes it clear that the

481
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,440
federal government cannot hijack local
police and tax dollars to do their job

482
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,800
for them.
States should not take on the functions

483
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:04,160
of federal government and the federal
government cannot commandeer local

484
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:08,320
police forces, budgets and other
resources to carry out functions like

485
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:12,320
immigration which are their only which
are only their responsibility. The

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00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:15,839
immigrant trust directive has the
support of current and former police

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00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:19,992
chiefs throughout the state in both red
and blue towns from precipany to orange

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00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,440
to trend in Atlantic City. Newton,
[clears throat] the town in which we are

489
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:27,440
holding this meeting, has on their PD
website, the immigrant trust directive

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00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:30,640
is designed to strengthen trust between
New Jersey's law enforcement officers

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00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:34,240
and the state's diverse immigrant
communities, thereby ensuring that

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00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:38,160
victims and witnesses feel safe
reporting crimes. As New Jerseyians, we

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00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,839
should be standing up to federal
overreach, not rolling over for the

494
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:45,359
rogue federal secret police and
interference in our state's free and

495
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:48,880
fair elections.
Start acting like leaders who care about

496
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:52,800
this county instead of party puppets
looking for cheap political points. I'd

497
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:56,359
say thank you for your time, but you've
already wasted mine.

498
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:10,720
Hello, my name is Susanna Oliver. I'm
from Roxberry. I'm here because in

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00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:15,359
Roxberry, our town council wasted our
time and passed a useless resolution

500
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:19,520
that did absolutely nothing to keep the
warehouse from coming to Roxberry. And

501
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:23,280
what I see happening here is that you're
wasting people's time. Again, you are

502
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:27,920
also wasting people's time trying to
pass two resolutions that are are

503
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:32,800
symbolic and are going to do absolutely
nothing. I also want to state that I'm a

504
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:36,560
US veteran, an army veteran. I have had
combat training as well as advanced

505
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:42,000
weapons training. I've been to Delaney
Hall and I see the joke of the uh ICE

506
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:46,079
agents that are there. ICE agents that
can't even hold or holster their weapons

507
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:51,440
properly, yet these are the people that
you want to uh that you want to um

508
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:56,800
partner with for law enforcement. That's
very unsafe. Uh I also want to just

509
00:40:53,920 --> 00:41:02,079
touch base on um who is actually being
picked up by ICE. Um contrary to your

510
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:07,520
beliefs, it is not the worst of the
worst. Uh there are approximately

511
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:12,720
600,000 undocumented residents in New
Jersey. Of them, group one is the worst

512
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:17,920
of the worst. That's about 30,000
people, roughly 5% who have been

513
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:24,920
convicted of a violent or dangerous
crime. Um that is actually um 0.0

514
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:32,800
I'm sorry 31% of all New Jersey
residents. The second part are the

515
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:38,079
paperwork offenders. Those are roughly
88,000

516
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:43,200
people. Around 18% of the people they
have um some sort of um traffic

517
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:46,800
violation or something else. But the
biggest group is the blameless. These

518
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:52,079
are the vast majority of people being
targeted by ICE. Around 46 uh thou

519
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:56,480
462,000
people. These are our neighbors, our

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00:41:54,160 --> 00:42:01,599
students, children, uh people who have
zero criminal records other than that of

521
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:07,839
to exist. Uh, one thing to note of
irony, one of the staggering um, one of

522
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:13,280
the staggering irony is that one of the
worst of the worst criminal offenses is

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00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:17,520
noted as fraud and swindling. This is
the benchmark for a national security

524
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:23,599
threat. Then Trump, who has been
convicted of massive civil frauds in

525
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:27,760
2024 and whose own charitable foundation
was dissolved for legal illegal

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00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:32,560
swindling, should be the first person
detained. I think that another thing I

527
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:37,440
want to say real quick is that I also
work in software. I've built my career

528
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:42,520
in software and it's very very common to
have software glitches without

529
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,520
conspiracies.

530
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:55,440
» Hi. Uh my name is Cass Mihawk. I live in
Hatacong. Um, I think that y'all know

531
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,480
that you're not really accomplishing
anything at this meeting other than,

532
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:02,480
like was said, pandering to your
specific agenda and your audience. A lot

533
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:06,880
of what I was going to say has already
been said. I disagree with both your

534
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:11,359
resolutions. Donald Trump lost the
election of Kamla by 252,000 votes, by

535
00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:16,560
the way, in 2024. I don't know if y'all
are any good at math, but subtract 400.

536
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:21,040
Like, it it still is what it was. Um,
even the Heritage Foundation, which we

537
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:25,440
all know that they're far right, could
only find 99 specific instances of

538
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:30,000
undocumented individuals voting since
the year 2000, only one of which was in

539
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:35,359
New Jersey in 2011, and they were all
punished by law. This is a non-issue.

540
00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:39,680
The Save Act and and clone acts are just
targeted at specifically married women

541
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,720
um who have a different last name or
trans people who change their name to

542
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:47,119
make it diff more difficult for them to
vote. It's expensive to change your

543
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:52,160
documents and and that's all that it is.
Um the governor has been clear about her

544
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:56,319
investigation.
Uh as far as as ICE goes, I've been

545
00:43:54,560 --> 00:44:01,440
outside at Delini Hall. I've been
attacked by ICE. I've been tagged by the

546
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:04,960
the state police. Uh I'm provoked. They
are a violent paramilitary group and I

547
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,319
think that they're they're trying to see
how far they can push it. Tom Hullman

548
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:12,079
came out and said a couple weeks ago
that there will be more bloodshed and if

549
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:16,640
you want to invite that here, you might
as well just tell us all to go to to go

550
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:21,520
to hell because you just saying you're
not you don't care about us. Um I I do

551
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:26,319
want to play this audio. This uh the the
agent who killed I have his name here.

552
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:30,319
Um
Joan Sebastian Durangero a couple weeks

553
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:35,920
ago. He killed him. The agent's name is
David Broulette. He had a va a mass

554
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:41,839
history of domestic violence. He threw
boiling water on his wife while she was

555
00:44:38,319 --> 00:44:46,319
holding their baby. And this is a a
voicemail that he left for her.

556
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:50,920
» Single female
nothing

557
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,920
just

558
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,440
all of you said.

559
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:01,920
» Yeah, you should.
>> So I don't know if if you guys feel safe

560
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:06,640
inviting that kind of person into your
churches, your schools or in your towns.

561
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:11,440
That's not a oneoff. That's a a mass
pattern across ICE agents. There is no

562
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:15,280
there is no background checks. A lot of
them are domestic abusers, sexual

563
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:19,920
abusers. They are abusing little girls
in these concentration camps and getting

564
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:24,160
them pregnant. These the
these aren't rumors. They've been

565
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:30,079
proven. Um
and allowing ICE agents to cover their

566
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:33,440
faces, by the way, invites people to to
imposter them. And even in Oregon last

567
00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:37,680
week, we saw a group of people
pretending to be ICE agents and pull

568
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:41,200
over and assault a woman. So I I just
think that even the added allowing them

569
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:47,720
to cover their faces is really odd and
it just tells us your motive and and

570
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,720
shame on all of you. Truly,

571
00:45:54,560 --> 00:46:02,640
» good evening, Manny Bonn.
Um, there's been a lot of uh good things

572
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:06,480
said here against the resolutions and I
agree with just about everything that

573
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:11,200
was said. I wasn't going to speak, but
there is one issue that hasn't been

574
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:16,640
raised that I only became aware of this
week and I just wanted to share it

575
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:21,359
because it might prove
and I'm just going to read this little

576
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:26,560
clip here. On April 28th of this year,
the Texas Secretary of State admitted to

577
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:31,359
a clerical error where individuals who
identified themselves as non US citizens

578
00:46:29,359 --> 00:46:36,079
to the Department of Motor Vehicles were
nevertheless registered to vote. This

579
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:40,960
incident involved a mismatch between
driver's license application data and

580
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:45,200
voter registration roles, which state
officials characterized as a simple

581
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:50,960
paperwork mistake rather than voter
fraud. So the obvious question is when

582
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:55,760
it happens in a red state, it's just a
simple error. When it happens in a blue

583
00:46:53,359 --> 00:47:02,160
state, everybody starts beating their
chest and saying voter fraud.

584
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:07,359
So why is that? I think one of the main
reasons is because we've had a bully in

585
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:13,040
the pulpit beating his chest for the
better part of 10 years telling us that

586
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:18,319
there has been voter fraud and producing
zero evidence. Carl Sean once said,

587
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:25,680
"Extraordinary claims require
extraordinary evidence." And to me, the

588
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:31,839
claim that there is rampant voter fraud
and some kind of conspiracy is a major

589
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:36,200
claim and should require extraordinary
evidence. Thank you very much.

590
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:48,000
» Hi. Hey. Um, I want to start by um
addressing something that the gentleman

591
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:52,240
from South Jersey had said. Oh, I'm
sorry. Um, Carrie Stetler over Morris

592
00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:56,000
County. Um, yeah. So, the gentleman from
South Jersey, um, unless I'm

593
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:59,680
misunderstood, and he was citing the
meeting as an example of democracy,

594
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:03,760
which it is, and was glad to hear him
say that, but he also seemed to be

595
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:09,760
implying that this meeting would only be
for citizens, which I don't think is the

596
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:13,119
case. I think anybody from anywhere can
come to this meeting and speak out,

597
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:17,440
right? Um, and I don't know that you're
going to be checking for citizenship

598
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:22,240
status at the door. Um, so for all you
know, I could not be a citizen, but here

599
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:25,119
I am speaking to you because I care
about something and also I'm a New

600
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:33,040
Jersey resident and I live nearby in
Morris County. Um secondly, [laughter]

601
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:38,800
um I don't understand why how it makes
people safer to have your law

602
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:45,839
enforcement officers supporting ICE
going to schools and churches and

603
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:49,520
medical facilities. Um if someone is is
charged with a crime, they could easily

604
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:56,559
just go into those places and and arrest
them. But to just be able to go in there

605
00:48:52,319 --> 00:49:02,400
randomly and get people who um haven't
been as people have said 70% of the

606
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:09,040
people who are detained have not been
charged with a serious crime. Um and

607
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:15,200
also entering the US illegally is a mis
is a misdemeanor. It's not a felony.

608
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:19,359
It's a civil offense to stay here after
you've entered illegally. Many of the

609
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:24,000
people that do enter illegally that have
been arrested and deported by ICE were

610
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:28,880
people who were going through the
process of gaining status uh of gaining

611
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:32,800
citizenship, of applying for refugee
status. They were people who had

612
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:36,160
temporary protection status. They've
been here for decades in some cases and

613
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:39,520
then all of a sudden they had that
yanked away and yet they're still here

614
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:43,680
and all of a sudden they've been told
abruptly that they need to leave. Um

615
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:47,599
okay. [laughter]
Um, and also I just wanted to point that

616
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:53,599
out. I don't think those people are
threats to public safety. And also

617
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:59,359
there's I think your resolution advances
this notion that that ICE is somehow

618
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:03,200
protecting the public. And in fact, six
people, including three US citizens,

619
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:10,839
have been killed when ICE fired at
vehicles since January of 2025.

620
00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:10,839
23 people have been shot at.

621
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:16,079
So, I think they're really that's that's
something you should be concerned about.

622
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:21,680
I think they're the threats to public
safety. I don't think that immigrants

623
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:28,040
are threats to public safety or they
don't justify an emergency meeting for a

624
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:28,040
resolution like this. Thank you.

625
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:40,559
Washa Williams, US veteran army
hapacong. I wasn't going to speak

626
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:44,640
tonight, but uh Matt Rooney came up here
and said a few things, and I'm very sad

627
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,359
that you had to drive all the way down
here. I'm sure there's a lot of things

628
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:54,800
you could focus on down in Camden
County, like the 50% crime rate.

629
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:59,119
Uh my agenda topic is the fact that
these two resolutions are wasting tax

630
00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:04,480
dollars. Just in Hakong, and I'm sure
throughout the state, we're facing tax

631
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:08,400
increases left over right after left
over right. And it's ridiculous the fact

632
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,680
that you guys aren't focused on the
utilities, the poles that are coming

633
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:15,200
down, the trees that need to be trimmed,
the infrastructures, the health care

634
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:18,720
that you know you need to shop around
for employees, things like that. Those

635
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:22,800
are the things that could save us money
as residents, right? I don't know. I'm

636
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:27,359
going to approach this in a different
way, right? We live in a Republican

637
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:32,880
county with elected Republican
officials, right? If anything, I would

638
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:37,200
expect that you would be touting how
great the Republican county and

639
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:41,280
elections are because you caught no
voter fraud, right? Because it would be

640
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:46,079
on your watch.
So, I don't see you doing that. Instead,

641
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:49,680
I see you just making another resolution
and wasting everybody's time and wasting

642
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:54,319
more money, which these people do not
have. All right. The second thing I want

643
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:58,480
to address is the fact that and while he
may be offended by the concentration

644
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:02,000
camp, and I can I can understand that,
right? I'm going to I'm going to go a

645
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:07,920
little different route.
I would compare the ICE agents as

646
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:12,319
modern-day slave patrol.
They're yanking up people, citizens.

647
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:16,720
They're killing them
with no training. They're running rampid

648
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:22,160
in the streets. just in Roxberry not too
long ago. They ran through our town

649
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:27,359
ripping and running and end up in a car
chase over by the hardware store off a

650
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:30,880
landing in Roxberry. That is not safe.
There's a park over there. Kids play

651
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:37,040
ball over there. If you don't want to
protect that, then I don't I don't I

652
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:41,760
don't know what purpose that resolution
serves. Yeah. While I agree our New

653
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:45,520
Jersey officers are well trained, I
would trust them with my life. If that's

654
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:49,680
what you're saying is that their ICE is
incompetent, you can't they can't be

655
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:54,640
trusted, then on that lines, if you need
our police officers to babysit them,

656
00:52:51,839 --> 00:53:02,319
then then maybe say that.
Tell the truth. In the meantime, while

657
00:52:59,359 --> 00:53:09,440
Hakong school districts are ranked three
level levels lower than Camden,

658
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:14,640
we're wasting 54% of our tax money
competing with a district that is

659
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:18,079
failing as well. So, let's talk about
the issues. Let's talk about the grocery

660
00:53:16,319 --> 00:53:23,119
food prices. Let's talk about the
homelessness on on in Newton here, right

661
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:28,160
here. Let's talk about services for
these people instead of resolutions that

662
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:32,880
aren't going to do anything.
People elected you and I don't care what

663
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:37,400
party you're belong to. People elected
you to do a job. Do it.

664
00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:47,680
» Sorry. Before you start, I just want to
before you start, I just want to say one

665
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:52,480
thing. We do address all these things.
This is a special meeting on these.

666
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:54,800
Yeah. No, I'm just addressing it. I'm
addressing it to the public. I'm

667
00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:58,480
addressing it to the public.
>> Man, stop interrupting. The director

668
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,880
Mayor, stop interrupting.
>> I'm addressing it to the public. They

669
00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:05,119
probably would like to hear what I say.
We do have meetings twice a month and

670
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:08,960
that's what we discuss at these meetings
twice a month. This is just a special

671
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:12,480
meeting on these two resolutions.
Whether you agree with them or not, we

672
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:15,280
do do the other things at the other
meetings. And that's why I'm just

673
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:18,720
addressing a lot of the same people come
to a lot of our meetings and they do see

674
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:24,960
us do that kind of stuff and worry about
our taxes and our residents. Thank you.

675
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:28,079
» Uh Sierra Wilson, you know me from Stanh
Hope. Um I wasn't going to speak

676
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:34,240
tonight, so forgive me. I'm not going to
be as eloquent or well spoken as some of

677
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:38,800
the folks here. Um but I hear people
that are on the other political side of

678
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:43,119
the spectrum as me say the name Lake and
Riley, but I never hear the names of

679
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:47,839
Sandy Hook victims. So, if you're going
to say that ICE is the issue for killing

680
00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:51,839
all of these American citizens, I also
want you to address the issue of guns

681
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:56,640
that are killing American citizens as
well. In fact, uh, white Americans

682
00:54:54,240 --> 00:55:00,640
killed more people just this last year
than immigrants. So, keep that in mind

683
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:05,119
when you're you're using your resolution
tonight. My second topic or my second

684
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:09,280
point is has have any of you been to
Delaney Hall?

685
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:14,240
I didn't think so. I have been to
Delaney Hall and I want to share uh my

686
00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:20,000
experiences at Delaney Hall and some of
the experiences that your Sussex County

687
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:23,280
residents have uh at Delaney Hall. Just
so you know what you are inviting into

688
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:27,760
your neighborhoods, into your towns,
into your streets. Um just this past

689
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:31,440
Sunday, an ICE agent sped through the
streets in Delaney Hall and nearly hit

690
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:35,599
two pedestrians. These were just
bystanders that were going to visit

691
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:40,720
their loved ones at Delaney Hall. Um
they nearly hit these two pedestrians.

692
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:45,839
ICE has literally hit someone and sent
them to the hospital before at Delaney

693
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:50,160
Hall. Uh this doesn't even bring up the
topic of the guns that have been fired,

694
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:55,119
the gas tanks that have just been
accidentally dropped at Delaney Hall. Um

695
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:59,440
the fact that they pepper- sprayed Andy
Kim. So think about all of that when you

696
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:03,839
are addressing your resolution tonight.
But um there are people that are

697
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:08,240
detained at Delaney Hall that should not
be. Uh there are children at Delaney

698
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:12,160
Hall. There are people at Delaney Hall
that have their green cards that have

699
00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:16,400
been here for longer than I have been
alive, probably longer than some of you

700
00:56:13,839 --> 00:56:21,680
have been alive. Um, the ICE agents have
no regard for human life. If they are

701
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:25,599
going to speed up to purposefully hit
pedestrians

702
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:30,240
that are there to save their loved ones,
what are they going to be doing in your

703
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:35,280
streets? Uh right after this ICE agent
almost hit two pedestrians, visitation

704
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:40,400
was cancelled for the day uh because
advocates on the ground said literally

705
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:44,400
watch out, get out of the way, don't run
into that person. And visitation was

706
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:48,160
canled for the couple dozen people that
were there. Uh so this again is what

707
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:52,079
you're bringing into your streets. Cruel
people that have no regard for human

708
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:54,960
life, that have no humanity. Please
consider this when addressing your

709
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:59,200
resolution tonight. I believe it's
resolution B that you are inviting and

710
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:04,160
you are not only inviting but you are
encouraging crime and horrible horrible

711
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:09,359
people to walk on your streets in the
name of whatever you want to call it

712
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:13,680
justice safety it's not safe ICE agents
are not safe and again if you're going

713
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:17,440
to address uh immigrants that have
killed people you also need to address

714
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:20,440
the issue of Sandy Hook and guns thank
you

715
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:33,440
» hi Amy Milan uh Lafayette. I'm just
saddened, disgusted, heartbroken. I I

716
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:37,760
don't even have words. I was educated in
Germany. Violence,

717
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:42,400
murder,
brutality.

718
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:46,720
These things are never the answer to
anything. This is the first thing that

719
00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:52,000
is pounded into your head when you go to
school in Germany.

720
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:57,680
Violence, murder, and brutality.
Shooting someone in the head in front of

721
00:57:54,480 --> 00:58:04,559
their child in the back seat is not
okay. I don't care how you try to

722
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:09,839
justify this. I mean, I don't understand
what is going on. This is like so

723
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:14,720
insane. [clears throat]
Anyway, I'm going to finish for Mr.

724
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:18,640
Morris. He was up before
um he didn't get to finish. So, let's

725
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:22,640
fix the software. Let's hold the
responsible vendor accountable. Let's

726
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:26,960
make sure the existing safeguards are
properly implemented and independently

727
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:31,040
verified. But let's not automatically
conclude that the answer is to change

728
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:34,720
the rules for every legitimate voter in
New Jersey because a computer system

729
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:39,520
failed to follow the rules that already
exist. We don't necessarily need new

730
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:44,799
election laws. We need the laws we
already have to work

731
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:48,000
and we need the people responsible for
administering them to be held

732
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:52,079
accountable when they don't work. And
this is where I hope the commissioners

733
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:56,079
will exercise particular care. Sussex
County is overwhelmingly Republican, as

734
00:58:54,160 --> 00:59:00,400
we well know, and every member of this
board is a Republican, as we well know.

735
00:58:58,319 --> 00:59:04,160
I understand why many people here may
have strong feelings about what happened

736
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:08,880
in 2020. But that makes your
responsibility even greater. You have an

737
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:13,839
opportunity tonight to demonstrate that
election integrity isn't a Republican

738
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:18,240
issue or a Democratic issue. It's an
American issue that affects all of us.

739
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:22,160
investigate the problem, fix the
problem, hold people accountable when

740
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:25,760
accountability is warranted, but also be
willing to say when the evidence doesn't

741
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:29,119
support the larger allegation. Because
if we take every mistake, every

742
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:33,680
irregularity, every bureaucratic
failure, and use it as proof of a

743
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:38,240
predetermined conspiracy,
then we're no longer investigating.

744
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:41,520
We're simply confirming what we already
believe. And that is exactly the kind of

745
00:59:40,319 --> 00:59:44,480
thinking that has damaged public
confidence in our elections. So, I

746
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:48,240
commend everyone for being here tonight.
I commend the commissioners for taking

747
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:51,440
election integrity seriously, but I
would ask that we make this something

748
00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:54,880
about something bigger than Democrats or
Republicans, bigger than Trump or Biden.

749
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:58,160
Let's make it about ev evidence. Let's
make it about accountability. And let's

750
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:01,680
make it about restoring trust in our
elections. Not by telling people what

751
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:06,920
they want to hear, but by telling them
what the facts actually demonstrate.

752
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,920
Thank you.

753
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:16,319
» My name is Tracy Richardson. I'm a
resident of Andover Township. I'm also

754
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:22,960
the current president of the League of
Women Voters of the Sussex Highlands

755
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:26,960
and I'm speaking on behalf. Uh, every
voter in Sussex County shares a

756
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:31,920
fundamental interest in secure and
accurate elections. When system errors

757
01:00:29,839 --> 01:00:37,520
occur, they demand swift and thorough
attention. However, we must be clear

758
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:41,280
about the verified facts. Earlier this
month, as we've discussed tonight,

759
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:45,359
Governor Cheryl publicly disclosed that
a software error at the Motor Vehicle

760
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:49,920
Commission caused approximately 6,600
people who indicated that they are not

761
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:53,839
citizens to be registered to vote. The
software was provided by the vendor

762
01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:59,040
IDMIA and the error occurred between
June 2023 and June 2024. These

763
01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:03,760
applicants explicitly indicated that
they were not citizens on the keypads at

764
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:08,720
MVC, but the vendor software mistakenly
processed their registrations anyway.

765
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:13,440
These individuals acted in good faith
and we must recognize that distinction.

766
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:18,400
They informed us they are not citizens.
This was an error committed on them.

767
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:22,000
Less than 400 of those people seem to
have voted. One presumes that they

768
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:25,839
received some sort of documentation from
their county election office which might

769
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:30,480
have led them to believe it was safe for
them to do so. We do not know at this

770
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:34,720
time. What we do know, preliminary
reviews show these individuals are

771
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:38,480
scattered across the state. They are
registered in a variety of parties. Some

772
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:42,480
are Democrats, some are Republicans,
some are independent, unaffiliated.

773
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:46,640
None of these votes seem to have
affected the outcome of any elections,

774
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:50,319
but this will be investigated.
An independent legal audit has already

775
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:53,839
been launched. As mentioned before,
state leadership has already begun the

776
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:58,079
process to replace that vendor at the
MVC. The system had already been

777
01:01:56,079 --> 01:02:02,720
patched. Accountability measures are
already in progress. The Division of

778
01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:07,760
Elections has already removed 4,500
individuals that were identified as part

779
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:11,119
of this error from they've been removed
from the voter roles and the rest have

780
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:14,960
been referred to the county election
offices for review because some of them

781
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:19,119
might now be eligible to vote because
they've gained their citizenship. While

782
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:23,040
oversight and public transparency are
essential, this resolution calls for

783
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:28,079
legislative inquiries that are already
underway. It's calling for information

784
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:32,079
that is already been released publicly.
This resolution doesn't make our

785
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:36,480
elections more secure, but it is costing
the taxpayers of this county.

786
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:40,160
True election integrity requires a
balanced approach, protecting the

787
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:44,000
security and the accuracy of our voter
roles while ensuring that elections

788
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:48,240
remain accessible and inclusive for
every eligible citizen. Public

789
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:52,160
confidence in our elections depends on
transparency, accountability, and

790
01:02:49,760 --> 01:03:00,079
responsible leadership. We at the league
ask you to vote no on this resolution.

791
01:02:55,839 --> 01:03:04,319
That said, we do also invite everyone to
take an interest in the process. Our

792
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:07,599
board of elections meets in this
building.

793
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:11,520
Mr. Silverthorn, I've seen you there
before.

794
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:15,880
This is our process. Be a part of it.
Ask questions. Thank you.

795
01:03:22,319 --> 01:03:28,160
» Good evening. I'm David Dit from Hampton
Township.

796
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:32,480
I've read your resolution on election
security and I think it's a fantastic

797
01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:39,039
idea that you investigate all of our
voting records. Need to interrogate our

798
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:44,319
election officials, your employees, our
poll workers, who are your neighbors and

799
01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:48,880
friends. You make sure you check their
bank records. That George Soros check

800
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:52,559
wasn't there rewarding them for their
nefarious deeds perverting our

801
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:58,319
elections.
Voter voter registration of 6,600

802
01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:04,000
ineligible voters resulting in maybe 400
plus alleged actual votes absolutely

803
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:11,559
must be investigated and corrected by
independent agencies. That's just what

804
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:11,559
has been promised by Governor Cheryl.

805
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:20,960
Why are we here? Why did you guys want
to come up with a special meeting?

806
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:26,319
some little bird whisper in your ear
that this was a terrific way to assist

807
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:31,760
you in getting elected.
This is a loser. I know you people. None

808
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:35,599
of you are Nazis. None of you are liars.
They're my neighbors. Your house was

809
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:42,400
burning down. I'd run over and help you
put it out.

810
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:47,520
It's not the time to follow a liar and a
criminal. And that's what our president

811
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:51,359
is. And he's got a whole army of enab
enablers

812
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:56,480
to work his will on this country. And
what he wants to do more than anything

813
01:04:53,920 --> 01:05:03,760
else, more than steal all the money he
can is make sure he destroys our

814
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:12,000
confidence in our electoral process.
You know, I know, everybody here knows

815
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:17,920
that this 2020 he comes out
with whenever he opens his mouth is

816
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:22,480
nonsense.
The Heritage Foundation, that's your

817
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:28,160
team. They've been looking into this
since 1982

818
01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:31,160
up to the present day. They found 100
1,619

819
01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:40,000
instances of election fraud. That's
nothingness.

820
01:05:37,839 --> 01:05:47,119
This incident you guys want to go out on
a limb on and alienate these people even

821
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:53,280
more is not necessary.
And as far as the other one where you're

822
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:58,000
welcoming ICE to our township,
how would you like to go up to the green

823
01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:02,480
and pick up the bloody ruins of somebody
they just blew their brains out? Because

824
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:08,079
believe me, they've demonstrated over
and over again they will do that with

825
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:12,799
impunity. Where's the investigation for
the people in Minnesota?

826
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:19,280
Where's the investigation for the guy in
Texas? Anybody know a prosecutor that's

827
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:24,920
talking about this nut job in Maine who
shot this guy to death in front of his

828
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,920
three-year-old.

829
01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:42,160
» My name is La Urugos and I'm a Sussex
County resident for the last six years

830
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:46,400
and I'm here also to talk about your
resolution. So I have a lot of concerns

831
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:51,039
both in the substance of the resolution
and the language that is used opposing

832
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:54,720
the safe communities act as essential
especially traveling. The resolution

833
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:59,839
describes protections to schools,
hospitals, shelters and courts as

834
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:04,880
creating safe spaces for criminals that
wrongly conflates undocumented

835
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:09,520
immigrants with with criminals. Being in
the United States um without illegal

836
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:14,079
immigration status is only a civil
violation, but I think you already know

837
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:18,480
that. though those two are not the same
thing. The Safe Communities Act does not

838
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:22,480
protect criminals. It protects kids
going to schools. It protects people

839
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:27,280
going to hospitals and shelters, people
seeking justice in the courts. If this

840
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:30,880
board sees protections, those
protections as safe spaces for

841
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:35,599
criminals, that is exactly the reason
why you should don't proceed with that

842
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:39,599
resolution. No child should be afraid to
go to school and worry about tearing

843
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:44,640
their families apart. No people should
be afraid to seek justice at courts.

844
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:49,119
The resolution also opposes laws
requiring federal officers to reveal

845
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:52,880
their faces during public public
interactions.

846
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:56,559
That requirement is not excessive. It's
the bare minimum. I think we all agree

847
01:07:54,799 --> 01:08:01,440
that our government government
institutions and law enforcements should

848
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:05,359
be accountable to us. The board also
notes that they support constitutional

849
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:09,359
rights, due process, lawful pro
policing, and public accountability. Yet

850
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:13,760
you argue against the protections
designed to uphold those principles.

851
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:19,679
Constitutional rights do not matter only
for the people that you approve of.

852
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:23,199
Today, this resolution advocates for
reducing protections for people that

853
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:27,359
look like me, that have an accent like
mine. But you should know that history

854
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:32,759
teaches us that once rights are
weakened, for some people, they do not

855
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,759
stop there.

856
01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:45,839
Finally, I am concerned with how worried
this resolution is about um making our

857
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:49,839
local personnel information resources
and resources available to federal

858
01:08:47,839 --> 01:08:53,679
immigration enforcement. The board
should be focused on servicing Sussex

859
01:08:51,679 --> 01:08:58,080
County residents and protecting their
safety and their well-being. Your

860
01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:03,120
responsibility is to us, the people that
live here, not to advancing federal

861
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:07,520
immigration informance initi priorities.
Public safety is not made stronger by

862
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:11,759
suppressing the rights of others. I
understand that this resolution is meant

863
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:16,359
for you to make a stand, but just know
that you're standing on the wrong side

864
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:16,359
of history.

865
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:29,177
John Snider, Sanderson Township.
[clears throat]

866
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:42,239
But I see apparently the governor knew
about this error or this fraud.

867
01:09:37,679 --> 01:09:48,400
There 6,000 people registered to vote
before she called Donald Trump a liar

868
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:54,159
when addressing this topic.
We talk about what 400 people apparently

869
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:58,400
they say voted out of 6,000.
What was to present prevent excuse me

870
01:09:56,159 --> 01:10:02,000
the 6,000 people or more when they get
the voter registration from motor

871
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:05,600
vehicle for saying they are a citizen?
Nobody's talking about that. We're

872
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:09,199
talking about people who apparently
allegedly

873
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:14,800
said they were not citizens and somehow
got were eligible to vote. But the whole

874
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:20,080
idea of using motor vehicle registration
or getting a driver's license as a form

875
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:23,520
of registering to vote is ridiculous.
We've been complaining about it for

876
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:28,360
years that all someone has to do is go,
"Oh yeah, I'm a citizen. Now I can

877
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,360
vote."

878
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:35,920
The governor apparently still refuses to
cooperate with the Department of Justice

879
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:38,920
in releasing the voter roles from New
Jersey.

880
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:50,800
I've heard that over 80% of people pled
agree that we should have voter ID,

881
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:56,000
whether you're Republican or Democrat.
Save America Act in my opinion is

882
01:10:53,600 --> 01:11:00,000
exactly what it says. This country is
going down.

883
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:04,040
Have the Democrat party which is slowly
becoming the Communist Party.

884
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:19,640
Don't decide your fair.

885
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,560
Have a little

886
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:32,320
» the democratic socialist of America
basically communists.

887
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:38,080
According to the governor of California,
they're welcome. We have a big tent.

888
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:45,120
I guess if Adolf Hitler was still alive,
he'd be in that tent along with Nikita

889
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:45,120
Kruev, Joe Stalin, and other people.

890
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:54,480
But they're coming out now, these DSA
people. No more President, no more

891
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:57,840
Senate, no more Supreme Court.
And I guess they want a parliamentary

892
01:11:55,840 --> 01:12:02,320
form of government. Some of them are
calling for the release of all

893
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:04,800
incarcerated prisoners.
I may sound crazy, but I'm only

894
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:08,120
repeating things that have come from
these people.

895
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:18,640
Someone mentioned tonight that in New
Jersey there were 30,000 convicted

896
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:22,239
felons that are illegal alien Jersey.
And then they went on to talk about what

897
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:26,440
a percent that was. I don't care what
percent that is. 30,000.

898
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:34,440
Thank you and God bless America.

899
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:48,560
Hi, I'm Diane Brennan from Randolph and
I didn't get a count before when you

900
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:53,920
were all asked who's been to Delanium.
I have a show of hands if people

901
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:58,400
Okay, you don't want to divulge that.
Okay. Well, I'm assuming that if

902
01:12:55,360 --> 01:13:03,280
nobody's, you know, probably all haven't
been. Well, I've been a few times and um

903
01:13:01,679 --> 01:13:09,760
you know, I know people don't like the
comparison to concentration camps.

904
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:16,719
Concentration camps out is detention
camps. And uh my father was um a World

905
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:22,199
War II vet that was shot down over
Germany,

906
01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:22,199
nine months in a prison.

907
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:30,880
Worse than that, from his from his from
his recollections,

908
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:35,360
stories I've been told over the years,
the German guards actually flooded in

909
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:39,600
the area of a parking lot because the
Red Cross sent ice skates and they

910
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:43,440
wanted to allow the prisoners to skate
in the wintertime. Do you think that

911
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:47,760
would go on at Delaney Hall? I don't
think so. There were bugs in his food.

912
01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:51,360
He took them out. His comrades laughed
at him and said, "No, you keep them in.

913
01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:57,040
That's the protein." Well, there are
maggots, worms, and mold in Delaneies.

914
01:13:55,120 --> 01:14:02,640
Their milk is spoiled. Things are
outdated. They're not getting medical

915
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:07,920
care. They're dying in detention.
Something like 88%

916
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:12,000
not committed criminal acts.
And you want it, you want your heart

917
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:18,640
broken, go there sometime when there are
kids there visiting their dads or their

918
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:23,920
brothers or their uncles or whoever, and
ICE shows up. You want your heart

919
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:28,880
broken? You see,
run down the street crying and screaming

920
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:35,159
ice
on this country. My father didn't fight

921
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:35,159
Nazis for that.

922
01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:47,280
Scott Null, Sparta. Um,
we don't agree politically and that's

923
01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:52,480
fine. You guys are my neighbors. I've
been here before, talked to you. had

924
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:57,760
conversations after the side and I
commented more than once how thank god

925
01:14:54,800 --> 01:15:02,480
you're here doing the county's work
because it is thankless

926
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:06,640
it's so disappointing that something
like this happens right like these

927
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:12,239
nonsense resolutions issue was
identified correct action was taken it's

928
01:15:09,440 --> 01:15:18,159
being addressed it's a waste of time
it's an insult to us as your

929
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:27,199
constituency that this is a thing
So um on the second resolution

930
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:33,760
regarding um government I it boils down
to ICE I've had really good experience

931
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:37,440
with the law enforcement here right the
reason I've had really good experience

932
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:40,800
with the law enforcement here they're
vetted

933
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:47,360
they're trained
they know what due process is part of

934
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:54,320
the community they're unmasked
I see them almost every weekend

935
01:15:50,159 --> 01:16:00,080
supporting us at Newton Square, right?
They're part of the community.

936
01:15:57,199 --> 01:16:03,920
They're taking care of us. They're
professionals.

937
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:09,920
That's their job. And they do it really
well.

938
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:14,400
None of that can be said for ICE.
You can look it up. Look at their stats.

939
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:20,000
Look at what they're doing. It's been
said before, these people are not what

940
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:24,560
we want in our community. Okay? It it
seems to matter for some reason, right?

941
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:29,120
So, my dad was a veteran. I was a
veteran. My father-in-law was a veteran.

942
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:34,080
My sister-in-law was a veteran. Right?
We're all trained. I don't need some

943
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:39,440
jackass with the gun
running around telling me what to do,

944
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:44,560
where to go, who's this, who can't even
identify themselves and isn't wearing a

945
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:52,880
proper uniform.
I serve as a pole worker.

946
01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:56,640
I have several times. I do not want ICE
at the polls. It makes it more

947
01:16:54,960 --> 01:17:00,640
dangerous. It makes it more dangerous
for me. It makes it more dangerous for

948
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:04,520
our community and it makes it more
dangerous for the voters.

949
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:19,239
» Good evening. I want to also say how
glad I am for the work that you do.

950
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:28,560
Not important. Oh, I'm sorry. My name is
Lori Gold and I live in Hardwood, but my

951
01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:32,239
driveway's in still ordering words. Um I
I someone said before they don't

952
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:40,960
understand what's going on. That's how I
feel. And I think that um

953
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:46,719
resolutions are not
not wise. And I I'm rising. I left my

954
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:50,960
home to come here and say that to you.
Um

955
01:17:48,719 --> 01:17:54,800
when the president says, "We're going to
go after the worst of the worst." I'm

956
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:59,280
picturing the gangs. We know that
there's been gangs and they need to be

957
01:17:57,679 --> 01:18:04,080
disrupted. They're terrorizing the
communities that they That's not what

958
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:09,679
we're seeing. what we're seeing average
people being yanked out of their lives

959
01:18:06,719 --> 01:18:14,640
and put into untenable situations and
sometimes killed.

960
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:18,960
But what I wanted to say the most, one
of one of the other things I wanted to

961
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:23,920
say is um to look around the room and
see your neighbors, your friends, and

962
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:28,320
that you are our neighbors and our
friends. And Steven Miller stands up and

963
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:33,760
say, "Oh, look at those people. They're
they all look weird. He's the weirdest

964
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:37,920
looking guy I've ever seen. But I just
want to say, look around. These are your

965
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:43,440
neighbors. These are your friends. We're
maybe a little weird, but we're not more

966
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:48,400
weird than most. So,
the thing that bothered me the most

967
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:53,760
about these two resolutions was the idea
that these ICE agents should be allowed

968
01:18:50,640 --> 01:19:02,400
to wear masks. I mean, they're fully
uniformed with these horrible They look

969
01:18:56,480 --> 01:19:07,679
horrible. They look so scary. and and
guessing a resolution that says they

970
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:12,719
should be allowed.
Are we living in

971
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:18,400
not only damaging to it's not only
damaging to our constitution,

972
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:22,960
it's damaging to our souls.
Everyone in this room, everyone in this

973
01:19:20,719 --> 01:19:28,679
country,
on our streets, damaging to us.

974
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,840
Thank you for your time.

975
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:43,280
» Hi, uh Sarah Lee Witson from Newton. I
don't want to repeat uh what uh many of

976
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:47,440
the commenters said, so I'll try to add
a couple of additional points that I

977
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:51,520
think you should consider. First of all,
uh these resolutions, in particular, the

978
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:55,760
one pertaining to ICE and immigration
enforcement is dangerous. It's dangerous

979
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:59,360
for our community if people are going to
be afraid to call the police. uh if

980
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:03,520
women who are being battered by their
husbands or partners or intruders are

981
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:09,040
going to be afraid to call the police
because they're afraid that this might

982
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:13,520
be an ICE action. Um it's also very
divisive. Clearly, you're hearing from

983
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:17,600
people here tonight that this is not a
resolution and they that they support

984
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:21,440
that the election resolution is
happening in a context of a broader

985
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:26,640
political fight that has little
relevance right now to our county given

986
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:30,960
that this is a performative resolution.
Um, and it seems that you don't really

987
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:35,520
have the mandate to push this resolution
forward from what you're hearing

988
01:20:32,480 --> 01:20:40,800
tonight. At minimum, I would urge you to
table these resolutions, have a broader

989
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:44,435
discussion about them, invite a broader
community hearing, um, because it's

990
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:48,400
clear that you don't have a mandate
[clears throat] to pass these

991
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:53,280
resolutions, which again emphasizes that
this is divisive. People are feeling

992
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:57,040
excluded. We're making people in this
community feel otherred because of the

993
01:20:55,199 --> 01:21:01,199
color of their skin and because of the
weight that you're putting behind these

994
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:06,480
kinds of enforcement actions that are
scaring people. It's not good for us.

995
01:21:03,679 --> 01:21:12,480
And I think you should at minimum pause
and reconsider these resolutions. Um and

996
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:16,480
of course you may as well inspire such
strong opposition that you'll be going

997
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:21,080
to be held accountable for these utterly
symbolic resolutions. Thank you.

998
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:31,440
Hi, my name is Veronica Fernandez. I
live in Long Valley in Morris County,

999
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:37,000
but I was born and raised right known as
a teenager

1000
01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:37,000
on the green.

1001
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:43,280
When people talk about New Jersey, they
talk about the turnpike. I'm like, I you

1002
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:49,360
don't know where I come from.
I come from it's

1003
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:55,679
I came from I used to go to space farms
as a kid for field trips and I'll be

1004
01:21:52,400 --> 01:22:00,040
very honest I cried when I left it
traumatized me to see how

1005
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:07,920
bad and um I don't know that was I think
when I first started having my

1006
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:11,840
awakenings and aware awareness of things
going on around me and I thought I lived

1007
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:15,840
in a perfect little world and I've grown
up and I pledged to reach

1008
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:19,600
flag every day that stood for liberty,
justice, and peaceful.

1009
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:23,040
I don't know. As I got out into the
world and I learned more, I learned

1010
01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:27,920
about the failings of my country, the
good and the bad. And we have I was

1011
01:22:26,639 --> 01:22:31,840
thinking of the quote. It says, "Those
who cannot remember are doomed to

1012
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:37,440
repeat." And I see the sign up here,
your logo, and every town has one. It's

1013
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:42,560
corn. And it's we're Lape. We are we but
I don't but there's I think there's no

1014
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:47,280
one here of lape origin in here all
white most of us are white you know

1015
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:51,040
they're not they're not here and then I
think about the Japanese interament we

1016
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:55,040
were on the wrong side of history then
we were locking up people who looked

1017
01:22:52,719 --> 01:22:59,840
like the enemy they are not the enemy
they are fellow human beings they are

1018
01:22:56,639 --> 01:23:04,400
more indigenous to this
for the same reasons our ancestors came

1019
01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:09,440
to build a better life but our ancestors
came legally seriously ly what does that

1020
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:13,360
mean? They came they came through Ellis
Island. They got papers before all of

1021
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:17,840
that. They they were encouraging anyone
to come. And some of my ancestors, my my

1022
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:23,040
birth name is Vandenhu. That's been
around here forever.

1023
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:28,560
And so I love this county even though I
live in another and I I just where I

1024
01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:32,000
come from and I I can't bear the thought
of seeing ice because I've been to

1025
01:23:29,679 --> 01:23:35,840
Delaney Hall. I've seen children. I was
on on Memorial Day in Union at a parade

1026
01:23:34,239 --> 01:23:39,679
with kids running with American flags
and later the day I went to Delaney Hall

1027
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:42,960
and I saw kids running from ICE. You
know what it's like to see this

1028
01:23:40,719 --> 01:23:46,560
terrified child. And then what the other
thing is there's always unintended

1029
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:50,159
consequences with anything that you take
on like this. And the unintended

1030
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:54,400
consequences here is you are creating
terrorists for generations to come.

1031
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:57,600
Children don't remember when you rip
apart their families. They don't. We're

1032
01:23:56,400 --> 01:24:00,719
going to pull them apart. We're not
repatriating them or deporting them.

1033
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:04,000
We're trafficking them to countries
they've never been to before. And their

1034
01:24:02,639 --> 01:24:07,040
children are going to remember what they
did, they're going to when you hear

1035
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:10,400
people say they hate America, ask
yourself why. We don't see it in each

1036
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:14,159
other. But you go outside of this
country and you find out why people hate

1037
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:17,760
us. We're in everybody's business. We
should be fixing our schools, giving our

1038
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:22,560
teachers raise, giving our police raise,
giving them assistance. We should not be

1039
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:25,760
tracking and trafficking human beings.
Can we please be on the right side of

1040
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:30,400
history and have that flag stand for
what it was meant to stand for? Thank

1041
01:24:27,679 --> 01:24:30,400
you.

1042
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:44,560
AC Andrews, Sussex County. Can you guys
hear me? So, I wasn't planning on

1043
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:48,159
speaking tonight. Uh, really I just want
to say is I've seen enough videos of

1044
01:24:46,719 --> 01:24:52,480
people getting pepper-sprayed and
attacked in New Jersey and other states.

1045
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:56,080
I don't want to see any more of them. I
don't want to see my neighbors, my

1046
01:24:54,000 --> 01:25:01,199
friends, the people I love getting
attacked because someone thinks they

1047
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:04,639
don't belong here. They don't know. They
think because of the color of their skin

1048
01:25:02,719 --> 01:25:08,960
or their accent.
Please keep our neighborhoods safe. Our

1049
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:15,000
law enforcements are capable of doing
what they're supposed to do without any

1050
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:15,000
other other assistance. Thank you.

1051
01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:27,600
Tony Manzy from Parton and I'd like to
just give you a little um anecdote. This

1052
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:32,560
is from right here in Sussex County. So
for any over 20 years I worked for a

1053
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:37,440
nonprofit organization and uh we were
statewide but I worked in Sussex County

1054
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:41,520
and we went to many many schools in the
county including right here in Newton

1055
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:46,880
and we talked to children about how to
stay safe in all different situations.

1056
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:50,480
I was working here in Newton with
seventh graders and the boys and the

1057
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:54,000
girls were separated because they we
talked about uh like date rape and so

1058
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:57,600
forth. That was part of our program. So
we had them separate.

1059
01:25:56,239 --> 01:26:01,120
» I was working with a group of seventh
grade boys and many of them were from

1060
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:04,639
either their families were from South
America or they were from South America.

1061
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:09,120
They were supposed to call us by our
first names first of all. We weren't

1062
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:12,960
supposed to be seen as authority and
bless them. They just so many South

1063
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:15,600
Americans. They're just so
familyoriented. They couldn't do it.

1064
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:18,159
They couldn't call me Tony. They had to
call me Miss Tony. They're like, "We

1065
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:21,120
can't do it. We can't do it." So, not
only were they polite, but we went

1066
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:24,560
through all this thing about safety. It
has nothing to do with politics,

1067
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:29,440
nothing. Just children, how to stay
safe. At the end, when I told the kids,

1068
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:33,840
"Okay, we have a few minutes. Just go
ahead talks amongst yourself." Oh, they

1069
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:39,280
were talk, this was in right before the
election in 2016.

1070
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:43,920
These kids weren't talking about sports.
They weren't talking about girls. They

1071
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:48,159
were talking about how fearful they
were. And one of the little boys raised

1072
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:52,239
his hand, "Miss Tony, Miss Tony." I
said, "Oh, yeah." And I went up and he

1073
01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:55,840
said, "What's going to happen to us if
Donald Trump gets in? We hear what's

1074
01:26:54,400 --> 01:27:00,480
what's going on. What's going to happen
to our families? What's going to happen

1075
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:04,880
to us?" And I said, "Look, I'm it'll I
said, "I can't promise you anything. I

1076
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:08,880
don't know." I said, "But we have laws
in this country and we're a diverse

1077
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:14,159
country and hopefully everything will be
all right." Well, that was 2016 and now

1078
01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:20,000
we're in 2026.
What would you people say to those young

1079
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:24,239
men and and young women in the other in
the girls class? What would you say to

1080
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:28,239
them now if they was if they said to
you, "What's going to happen to us?

1081
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:32,080
What's going to happen to our family?
How can you look the children of Newton

1082
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:38,000
in the eye?"
I just What would you say to them? These

1083
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:42,880
are our children. We're not talking
about some hypothetical kids, some

1084
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:46,639
hypothetical families. They were right
here in Newton. I'll never forget those

1085
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:50,719
little boys saying, "What's going to
happen to us and our family?" You're

1086
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:56,080
just going to say, "I don't care. I
don't care." So what? So maybe they're

1087
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:59,920
not Maybe they're not criminals, but
we're kicking you out. Oh my god. I I

1088
01:27:58,480 --> 01:28:03,320
can't imagine any of you would say that
to those children.

1089
01:28:09,199 --> 01:28:16,000
Debbie Melo, Frerieden Township.
When I was made aware of tonight's

1090
01:28:14,719 --> 01:28:21,440
special meeting and read the
resolutions,

1091
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:25,520
I was very upset. I think I could agree
with just about everything that everyone

1092
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:31,120
has said about those resolutions
tonight. So, I won't go beyond that

1093
01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:36,000
except to say that again, I'm vehemently
opposed to them. And I'm also very

1094
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:41,199
concerned that this special meeting was
called in July,

1095
01:28:39,199 --> 01:28:47,120
middle of summer,
but was so important that it had to be

1096
01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:52,239
now. And I was going to ask you to
seriously consider when it was time for

1097
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:57,760
you to vote after hearing everyone
tonight what your vote would be. But I

1098
01:28:54,960 --> 01:29:03,199
really like the suggestion of the woman
who came a few people before me saying,

1099
01:29:00,159 --> 01:29:09,199
"Why don't we table it? Let's table it
and let's have a larger discussion

1100
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:14,320
because obviously this is just a small
percentage of the people in our county

1101
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:20,719
and beyond for those people that come
here. Um, we're very concerned about

1102
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:27,440
these resolutions and the impact that
they may have on our county, but also

1103
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:35,080
the hollowess of
particularly the First terms of voter uh

1104
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:42,560
all of the all all the things in place
for voter security. I absolutely agree

1105
01:29:40,639 --> 01:29:46,719
with voter security. I think that we
need to have those measures in place so

1106
01:29:44,719 --> 01:29:50,639
that we can have a fair and free
election. I think a lot of those things

1107
01:29:48,719 --> 01:29:56,000
are in place and we need to continue to
enforce them and to look at things that

1108
01:29:52,639 --> 01:30:02,400
can help us go further. Um, but I also
think that we need to give time to

1109
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:08,480
governor and the people that she has put
in place to look at this process so that

1110
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:15,840
we can do better. So, I urge you to
consider tableabling this for uh

1111
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:21,360
sometime possibly in the fall where we
could have a larger discussion and see

1112
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:24,360
what comes from that. Thank you very
much.

1113
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:33,679
» Good evening. My name is Zoe Heath. I
live in Franklin Burough. uh any

1114
01:30:32,239 --> 01:30:38,320
sentiment that I have about the two
resolutions have been echoed by everyone

1115
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:43,679
who spoke before me. Um not everyone but
some of the points. Um my question is

1116
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:47,280
what was the point of having a special
meeting to put forth these resolutions

1117
01:30:45,679 --> 01:30:51,600
regardless of if they pass, regardless
of if we table them because it costs

1118
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:54,159
money to have these meetings. It it
seems like the only positive thing

1119
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:57,760
that's going to come out of this meeting
tonight is that a few of our sheriff's

1120
01:30:55,920 --> 01:31:01,120
officers got some overtime. I'm sure
they would like to hang out at home and

1121
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:04,960
get some overtime instead, but it is a
source of frustration for this county

1122
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:10,000
for us to spend money on these
resolutions that a significant portion

1123
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:15,040
of the community has no faith in and has
very clearly expressed their opposition

1124
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:18,000
to. So, I understand that you guys do
not get paid nearly enough for the work

1125
01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:21,520
that you do as county commissioners. I
understand that it is usually a job, but

1126
01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:25,679
I don't understand why you would put
this on yourselves as well. I understand

1127
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:29,360
there was also special business for
executive session, but again that didn't

1128
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:32,880
happen either. So why we're having this
meeting at all for this issue, the third

1129
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:37,560
meeting you're going to have have to
have in July just doesn't make sense.

1130
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:49,840
» My name is Reese Moore. I'm from Vernon
Township. Uh, I'm a Republican pole

1131
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:54,639
worker and I support law enforcement and
safe and secure elections like I think

1132
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:58,560
almost anyone here would say. But I also
think that supporting law enforcement

1133
01:31:56,320 --> 01:32:03,199
means standing next to them when they do
right and standing across from them when

1134
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:08,239
they do wrong. You say in your
resolution about ICE that forcing them

1135
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:13,360
to be unmasked and properly uniformed
and identified is a threat to their

1136
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:17,679
their safety and well-being. And yet
every day across this country, federal

1137
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:22,320
agents, state law enforcement, and local
law enforcement operate not only

1138
01:32:19,679 --> 01:32:26,960
unmasked, but with body cameras and name
tags on them, as the county sheriff's

1139
01:32:24,239 --> 01:32:31,199
officers here tonight have without
incident, without anyone saying that

1140
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:37,360
they are under a constant daily risk to
their safety. So, I would like to know

1141
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:45,120
where the idea that ICE agents being
unmasked and properly identified people

1142
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:50,320
is such a horrible idea. You also oppose
these state laws that declare certain

1143
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:54,480
locations protected from law enforcement
operations. One of those categories is

1144
01:32:52,639 --> 01:32:58,320
schools. Now, I can personally speak to
that one as a recent graduate of Sussex

1145
01:32:56,719 --> 01:33:02,000
Community College where I was the
president of the Student Government

1146
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:06,400
Association, and I was approached
throughout my tenure several times by

1147
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:12,000
different people who were all concerned
about one issue, the possibility that

1148
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:16,400
ICE would be on our campus and
interrogating students and possibly

1149
01:33:14,159 --> 01:33:21,040
arresting students in relation to their
immigration status. because we did have

1150
01:33:19,199 --> 01:33:24,719
ex foreign exchange students on campus.
I was friends with many of them and I

1151
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:31,360
was never concerned about their
immigration status because they were

1152
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:35,360
students the same as me. So, how do you
feel about the idea that students at the

1153
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:40,560
school you oversee as this county's
commissioners felt unsafe

1154
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:44,639
in this county, in this place that you
oversee?

1155
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:48,719
Like I said, standing by law enforcement
is a great thing. Standing next to our

1156
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:53,120
law enforcement when they do right is
important. But when our law enforcement,

1157
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:57,600
like ICE has shown over the past year,
is unable to control itself is seeing

1158
01:33:55,520 --> 01:34:00,960
record numbers of deaths not only on the
streets where they are shooting and

1159
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:06,239
killing people, but where record numbers
of people are dying in their custody in

1160
01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:09,840
overcrowded prisons with poor quality.
Are you really going to stand here and

1161
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:14,120
tell us you stand next to that
wholeheartedly? Thank you.

1162
01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:29,120
Can I get a motion to close the floor
for public comment?

1163
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:33,440
» So move.
>> Okay. Um, Commissioner Henderson and a

1164
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:40,520
second. Uh, Commissioner Silverthornne.
Any discussion? All in favor? I

1165
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:40,520
» post same.

1166
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:47,679
Number nine, commissioner's comments. I
think we all said we were going to

1167
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:52,719
forego our regular commissioner comments
since we had a meeting last week, unless

1168
01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:57,199
someone has seen comments. No. Number
10, there is no approval of consent

1169
01:34:54,800 --> 01:35:02,960
agenda. Number 11, we have no minutes.
Number 12, no ordinance. Number 13, no

1170
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:08,639
appointments and or resignations. Number
14, resolutions.

1171
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:12,719
Can I get a motion to adopt resolutions
A and B? move.

1172
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:15,679
» Thank Carney in a second.
>> Second.

1173
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:18,320
» Uh, deputy director of the group. Uh,
discussion. Any discussion on resolution

1174
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:22,239
A?
>> Yep. I have a lot to say, but I'm going

1175
01:35:19,679 --> 01:35:26,239
to just stick to what I have written.
>> So, voter integrity should not be a

1176
01:35:24,239 --> 01:35:29,520
Republican issue or Democrat issue.
Should be an American issue. The right

1177
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:33,120
to vote is one of the most fundamental
rights of American citizens. It is the

1178
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:36,880
foundation of our democracy and
determines the leaders who make our laws

1179
01:35:34,639 --> 01:35:40,320
and govern our nation. This resolution
is not about benefiting one political

1180
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:44,239
party over another. is about protecting
the integrity of our elections and

1181
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:48,239
ensuring that every eligible citizen can
have confidence that their vote is

1182
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:51,920
counted fairly and legally. Election
integrity strengthens trust in our

1183
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:56,639
democratic process for Republicans, for
Democrats, for independents, and every

1184
01:35:54,159 --> 01:36:00,159
voter alike. I will always stand for
protecting the voting rights of every

1185
01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:03,840
eligible American and preserving the
integrity of the election process for

1186
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:08,000
generations to come. I've said this
before, I'll say it again.

1187
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:11,679
Voter integrity is important. Voter ID
is important. You need you need a

1188
01:36:09,440 --> 01:36:16,080
license for a library card for renting a
car for rent going to a hotel and you

1189
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:19,520
don't need one to vote. We have our
machines here in Sussex County that you

1190
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:23,440
can scan where your name will come up in
your picture. It's very easy. We spent a

1191
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:27,280
lot of money on that stuff. We should be
using them.

1192
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:32,719
» And I would like to see the governor
fully cooperate with the Department of

1193
01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:36,400
Justice and uh give the names of the
voters, not to the public, but for the

1194
01:36:34,719 --> 01:36:41,040
Department of Justice to investigate.
And I would like to know um which

1195
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:44,719
municipalities and counties are affected
whether it's our county or not our

1196
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:50,239
county. But there are races that are
lost by one, two votes, you know, in

1197
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:53,679
primaries, Republicans and Democrats.
>> And that's what the resolution asks. And

1198
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:59,560
I I kind of feel like most people here
did not read the resolution. We're going

1199
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:59,560
to do it because it broken down.

1200
01:37:02,159 --> 01:37:09,760
This is
stop. Okay. Uh, resolute. Anyone else on

1201
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:13,119
that on resolution A?
>> I'm just going to say I think anybody

1202
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:18,400
knows I'm probably is a black and white
and black on any issue I see. I look at

1203
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:25,119
this and I don't care if it's 400 votes
or one vote. We have a problem. Do I

1204
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:29,199
agree it's a bipartisan problem? 100%.
If it's not, we're all in this room for

1205
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:33,360
the wrong reason. In my opinion, we need
to fix this together. It definitely

1206
01:37:31,679 --> 01:37:37,840
needs to be fixed. Do I believe it's
personally 400? If I got an odd number

1207
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:43,840
like 382, I might have believed that.
400 I have a hard time with such an even

1208
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:48,239
round number 66 and 400. I mean, I look
at that and think we've got a problem as

1209
01:37:46,159 --> 01:37:52,960
Democrats, Republicans, I don't care who
you are, what you are, the problem needs

1210
01:37:50,719 --> 01:37:56,880
to be fixed.
However we get there, whether it's with

1211
01:37:54,480 --> 01:38:01,600
our governor doing an investigation,
kudos to her for bringing it out. How

1212
01:37:59,199 --> 01:38:08,560
come we didn't know it the year before?
It's 2023. This is 2026. Somebody

1213
01:38:05,119 --> 01:38:12,239
obviously knew here. Where has it been?
Uh, that's my problem. I'm just going to

1214
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:17,360
add in to that, too. This is a
nonpartisan issue. Couldn't be any more

1215
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:20,960
non nonpartisan than what it is. I I
distrust both sides. I distrust

1216
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:25,440
government. So, I probably agree with
you guys on a lot more than you think I

1217
01:38:22,480 --> 01:38:29,760
do. Um, so I I don't think this was a
glitch. I just think it's sloppy

1218
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:35,360
government. I it happens at every level
and I and I if you think it's only 6,600

1219
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:38,239
votes or 400 people that voted, I I beg
to differ, but I I can almost guarantee

1220
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:41,520
you that number is going to be
significantly higher when this is all

1221
01:38:39,679 --> 01:38:45,440
said and done. And and I'm not trying to
grandstand or make this any more than

1222
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:49,600
what it has to be. But I I think it is
important that we do address it. And uh

1223
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:56,080
we sit here every week, week in and week
out, and have people come in and ask us

1224
01:38:51,840 --> 01:39:00,080
to uh listen to them vent about things
that we really have little to no control

1225
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:06,400
over other than we are your neighbors
and we're here for you. Um and this is

1226
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:11,119
one issue where we do have some mod of
control over going I am the liaison for

1227
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:14,960
the board of elections and and listen
there's issues everywhere. So, uh, you

1228
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:18,719
know, whether it's in our own backyard
or or somewhere else, we try to do the

1229
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:22,320
best we can to make things better. And
that's what we're doing here today.

1230
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:27,600
» And this is to support every vote
counts. Um, every legal vote. Anyone

1231
01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:34,560
else?
>> And resolution B. We were asked to do

1232
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:42,159
resolution B. Warren County has passed
this similar resolution

1233
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:46,239
um, supporting ICE. And in 2019, Sussex
County did put this out to the voters

1234
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:55,679
and had a discussion on it. And the
voters overwhelmingly 22,447

1235
01:39:51,119 --> 01:40:00,960
voted yes on the referendum and 11,262
voted no. So in my opinion, this is that

1236
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:06,520
was the larger discussion and this is
just to reinforce that larger discussion

1237
01:40:03,199 --> 01:40:06,520
from 2019.

1238
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:15,600
Anyone else?
Okay. Um, we already had the motion and

1239
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:18,800
we had a second. We had the discussion.
Uh, roll call, please.

1240
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:21,040
» Commissioner Carney,
>> yes.

1241
01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:22,639
» Deputy Director Degroup,
>> yes.

1242
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:24,320
» Commissioner Henderson,
>> yes.

1243
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:26,080
» Commissioner Silverthornne,
>> yes.

1244
01:40:24,719 --> 01:40:30,639
» Director Space,
>> yes.

1245
01:40:28,239 --> 01:40:36,000
» Number 15, awards of contract change
orders, bids, there are none. 16,

1246
01:40:33,199 --> 01:40:41,280
financial, none. 17, personnel, none.
18, administrative report. No report.

1247
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:45,840
Okay. 19, county council report. Okay.
Number 20. Do we have any unfinished

1248
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:50,239
business? No. Okay. 21. Any new
business? Okay. Number 22. Public

1249
01:40:48,480 --> 01:40:54,320
session from the floor. This public
session is for those wishing to make

1250
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:57,920
general comments of 3 minutes or less on
non-aggenda topics. Please line up at

1251
01:40:56,480 --> 01:41:01,520
the microphone and state your name and
municipality for the record. Now, I get

1252
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:05,920
a motion to open the floor for public
comment. Okay. Commissioner

1253
01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:11,199
Silverthornne and a second from
Commissioner Henderson. Any discussion?

1254
01:41:08,480 --> 01:41:16,320
All in favor? I oppose. A sub abstain.
Okay. Floor is open.

1255
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:22,400
» Okay. Raymond same Raymond Win Hampton
Township. I find it glowing. However,

1256
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:26,639
it's one thing to say yes, this Sussex
County is a Republican county. The

1257
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:31,600
Republican party there.
Therefore, the Republican agenda uh will

1258
01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:36,239
be made manifest. It is another thing
for a board with no Democrats on it to

1259
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:39,760
insist that they are uh implementing a
bipartisan agenda. I don't even think

1260
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:45,239
any of you would understand what a
bipartisan agenda is. It's

1261
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:07,840
all right.
Transparency matters when the owners of

1262
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:11,520
the Sussex Motel Oh, Matthew, sorry, my
apologies. Matthew Colback, I was up

1263
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:15,440
here before from Hamburg.
Transparency matters. When the owners of

1264
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:19,199
the Sussex Motel drilled holes in my
sewer line and report and I reported it

1265
01:42:17,199 --> 01:42:25,040
to local event and eventually to state
HHS that they expected help that I was

1266
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:28,320
forgotten. All right. No money. I hire
an attorney, a state agency unwilling to

1267
01:42:26,719 --> 01:42:31,840
help. And I had a professional
plumbers's telescopic video proof and

1268
01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:35,679
invoices of the sewer line that I posted
on social media after no one helped. So

1269
01:42:34,239 --> 01:42:39,760
this is Phil Murphy's administration
that you know u Mickey had you know

1270
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:45,199
taken on. So this was a while ago back
in 2012 2013. So where was the state?

1271
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:50,159
Where was the county? I was a local Tory
musician and you you all claim to care.

1272
01:42:47,440 --> 01:42:55,440
You love neighbors and here you know
here I am. Love your neighbors and yet I

1273
01:42:53,119 --> 01:42:58,880
was totally forgotten a veteran. Call
Marks and Solinsky would be so proud. So

1274
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:01,840
here are the facts. The Trump
administration and federal investigators

1275
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:06,480
launched probes into the incident
demanded unredacted voter data and Shur

1276
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:11,440
has refused to hand over this
information. The Adema Global Software

1277
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:15,440
Company being cited in these errors is
actually fighting back right now and no

1278
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:18,480
one has actually mentioned that. So
maybe the commissioners need to look at

1279
01:43:16,639 --> 01:43:22,719
that too. I made it back from
Afghanistan and ideologies hide and

1280
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:27,520
vulnerable and weak. Afghan freedom
fighters and and interpreters we

1281
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:31,760
employed were implored to wear some type
of face covering after being forgotten

1282
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:36,480
by the VA over 20 years. But the state
could care less about veterans like

1283
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:40,400
myself and focus on everybody else. So,
you know, when we ran away from

1284
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:43,199
Afghanistan, I cried thinking about all
those interpreters that are probably

1285
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:47,280
murdered and dead with all their family
in front of their eyes. So, that's the

1286
01:43:45,440 --> 01:43:52,560
type of thing that you guys are, you
know, it isn't. This is public comment.

1287
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:56,560
Iran murdered over over 40,000
protesters in a 2-day period during

1288
01:43:54,159 --> 01:44:00,320
these blackouts in January. You find
yourselves fortunate that you do not

1289
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:04,320
know what true atrocity looks like. So I
ask literally someone admitted that

1290
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:07,199
their illegal immigrants can come into
this commissioner meeting and it doesn't

1291
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:12,320
matter. President of Sussex County
educators believes that this meeting is

1292
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:16,320
mood and has no value. Election uh and
elections and who wins can control it

1293
01:44:14,239 --> 01:44:20,639
all. So election integrity does matter.
Why would anybody say that would there

1294
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:24,320
be uh there is also unfounded evidence
exists that we now know that the former

1295
01:44:22,639 --> 01:44:28,080
FBI director Christopher Ray lied to
Congress about the over 200 embedded

1296
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:31,440
plane closed FBI agents in January 6th
protest. Not to mention there were

1297
01:44:29,679 --> 01:44:35,280
50,000 hours of tapes held back during
the prosecutions. Singer songwriter John

1298
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:39,760
Schaefer was swept up in the aftermath
of that and called a domestic terrorist

1299
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:44,159
and stripped of due process. John is not
a and the demon de uh January 6

1300
01:44:42,480 --> 01:44:46,639
demonstrators are not insurrectionists.
Given the comments I heard from the

1301
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:50,560
mainstream media that are summer love in
2017, I find that a very bad

1302
01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:55,280
characterization. And so we say the
Southern Poverty Law Center is the

1303
01:44:52,080 --> 01:45:00,000
Democrats. So, subject change. Some cha
challenges uh politicians offering

1304
01:44:57,679 --> 01:45:03,600
legislation to end prisons nationwide.
I'm sorry. Some challenge politicians

1305
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:07,440
offering legislation. Some people
challenge that there isn't legislation

1306
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:12,159
uh being presented. But Rasheed Talib
and Ana Presley both uh authored the

1307
01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:16,840
Breathe Act which proposed closing all
federal detention centers in a 10-year

1308
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:16,840
period.

1309
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:26,719
» Hello, my name is Rebecca. I am a
resident of Harris and I am here tonight

1310
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:31,600
to celebrate the legacy of the Americans
with Disabilities Act and to advocate

1311
01:45:29,199 --> 01:45:37,920
for how social county can better support
its disabled residents. 3 days ago on

1312
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:43,679
July 26th, our nation celebrated the
36th anniversary of the ADA. That

1313
01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:48,159
landmark law promised equal access,
community inclusion, and the right to

1314
01:45:46,159 --> 01:45:54,480
for individuals with disabilities to
live full independent lives. To make

1315
01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:59,760
that promise right here at home, there
are two crucial areas where Substance

1316
01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:04,560
County can lead the way. First, we
urgently need more accessible and

1317
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:09,760
affordable housing options across our
country county [clears throat]

1318
01:46:07,199 --> 01:46:13,360
residents deserve to live independently
in the communities they know and

1319
01:46:11,258 --> 01:46:18,480
[clears throat] love
with real housing choices that honor

1320
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:25,600
their nominee and keep them connected to
their support systems. Second, we need

1321
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:30,239
more county sponsored social events and
inclusive community programs. Social

1322
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:36,000
connection is vital for mental health
and quality of life. Having regular

1323
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:41,520
accessible activities where disabled
adults can gather, build friendships,

1324
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:45,920
and stay active and in the community
helps prevent isolation and builds

1325
01:46:44,020 --> 01:46:51,119
[clears throat] a stronger, more
connected such as county. As an advocate

1326
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:55,360
for disability rights, I urge the board
to prioritize accessible housing and

1327
01:46:53,840 --> 01:47:01,480
expand
only social program for adults with

1328
01:46:57,440 --> 01:47:01,480
disabilities. [clears throat] Thank you.

1329
01:47:04,719 --> 01:47:12,880
Suzanne Oliver, Roxberry, New Jersey. I
heard you reference um a vote from seven

1330
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:18,159
years ago. Um seven years ago I lived in
Sparta. Seven years ago, my daughter was

1331
01:47:15,679 --> 01:47:24,960
a senior at Sparta High School. A lot
has changed within seven years. I think

1332
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:29,360
you should repole or re uh, you know, re
revote on this with your constituents.

1333
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:33,840
But one thing that hasn't changed in
seven years is that Sussex County is by

1334
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:38,880
far the most racist place I've ever
lived in my life. I I have lived across

1335
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:42,159
this country. I've lived in the South.
And I want to tell you a story about

1336
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:47,679
what happened to my black daughter at
Sparta High School. She was harassed and

1337
01:47:45,199 --> 01:47:53,679
she was driven off the road after the
2016

1338
01:47:49,199 --> 01:47:58,960
um election by by several grown ass men
in a Trump truck. They harassed her.

1339
01:47:56,800 --> 01:48:04,560
They forced her off the road. They
screamed the n-word at her. She was a

1340
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:08,639
17-year-old girl. She was terrified. She
called me in tears. She did not know

1341
01:48:06,239 --> 01:48:13,679
what to do. This is what goes on in
Sussex County. This is what you stand

1342
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:17,880
for. This is still happening 7 years
later. Get your together.

1343
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:28,960
» Williams, hack. Hopefully I can run this
through without being interrupted this

1344
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:32,639
time. Um, I just want to say I am a US
veteran, Army veteran. I come from a

1345
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:37,600
long line of veterans. My grandfather
was a cook in the Navy for reasons that

1346
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:42,320
because he couldn't be anything else. My
father was a first sergeant in the

1347
01:48:39,199 --> 01:48:47,760
United States Army. My brother was a
sergeant in the Army and he is currently

1348
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:53,119
he did 13 tours in Afghanistan and came
back with a brain tumor. Um my niece who

1349
01:48:51,440 --> 01:48:57,119
just recently graduated from Fort
Jackson, South Carolina, the same place

1350
01:48:54,800 --> 01:49:03,199
that I did. I got a chance to tap her
out last year. But I just want to say in

1351
01:48:59,920 --> 01:49:07,679
the words of Tupac Shakur, you know, you
got money for wars, but you can't feed

1352
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:11,679
the poor. So when you say that you care,
I don't think that you do. I can bring

1353
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:14,960
up racism. I could bring up profiling. I
could bring up all of those things, but

1354
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:20,480
I don't think that you care. So what I
will say is this. I'm actually glad to

1355
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:25,600
hear that in a Republican county, in a
Republican stronghold of 30 plus years,

1356
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:31,040
that you are admitting to voter fraud.
At least the GOP can say that much this

1357
01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:36,000
time around. I applaud you for that. All
right. Now, the second thing, um,

1358
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:40,000
actually, I actually wouldn't mind our
New Jersey police officers. They're very

1359
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:45,199
fine gentlemen here that are getting
overtime this evening. Welld deserved. I

1360
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:49,760
wouldn't mind them being babysitters for
the incompetent agents. Right? So, if

1361
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:54,560
that's where we're going with that, go
right ahead because at least then maybe

1362
01:49:51,679 --> 01:49:58,719
they won't kill American citizens,
right? I know you guys don't care about

1363
01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:02,719
private prisons. I know you don't care
about the taxpayers in this county and

1364
01:50:00,639 --> 01:50:06,560
lowering the cost of the utility bills
or the utility bolt poles that are

1365
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:10,800
falling down. The people who have been
without power for weeks and cable and

1366
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:14,960
internet so they people that work from
home about the train station to get to

1367
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:18,880
back and forth to New York City because
there's a lot of us that do do that. Not

1368
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:24,800
me. I own a business here in Sussex
County for the last 8 years. I've lived

1369
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:30,560
here over 25 years. I've raised my kids
here, right? And I've dealt with

1370
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:34,560
raising. So what, right? Big deal. Ain't
going to cry about it cuz I'm a soldier.

1371
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:39,520
That's what we do. We suck it up and we
move on, right? Nothing's going to

1372
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:43,679
change. I don't know about the most
racist place I've ever lived because

1373
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:46,960
I've lived a lot of different places and
I've seen a lot of different things and

1374
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:53,566
I've seen a lot of people that don't
care on both sides of the aisle. So, no.

1375
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:58,000
Am I surprised by your vote? Absolutely
[clears throat]

1376
01:50:54,239 --> 01:51:04,719
not. I almost was pretty sure that you
would, right? But like I said, I'm happy

1377
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:09,239
that you guys are admitting that the GOP
in Sussex County has failed.

1378
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:24,320
Kathy Brennan, Hampton Township. I I
just I honestly didn't have anything to

1379
01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:30,000
say, but I had to come up here and speak
again because I have to question what

1380
01:51:27,199 --> 01:51:34,800
happened to our humanity. The things
that are going on in this country are

1381
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:39,679
inhumane. Yet, everyone sits here and
thinks it's a good idea. I don't

1382
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:43,840
obviously you have not been witness to
these things. I have been witness to

1383
01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:48,080
things. I have been to Delaney Hall. I
have seen families. I have seen children

1384
01:51:46,159 --> 01:51:52,800
waiting outside for hours to see their
fathers and then they've been denied

1385
01:51:50,639 --> 01:51:58,000
because there's something happened in
their unit that ICE didn't like or Geog

1386
01:51:55,840 --> 01:52:02,159
Group didn't like and they said TOO BAD
YOU'VE BEEN WAITING 3 HOURS GO HOME WE

1387
01:52:00,159 --> 01:52:09,760
DON'T CARE AND THE CHILDREN go home
crying and and as I've said before most

1388
01:52:05,679 --> 01:52:14,480
of these people are there for no reason
if these people are all supposedly the

1389
01:52:12,159 --> 01:52:20,320
worst of the worst which they are not
Why are they not deported? Why are these

1390
01:52:16,480 --> 01:52:25,679
in in these detention centers for
months, years, whatever? It's inhumane.

1391
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:30,880
And I think we all need to look at
ourselves and say, "What is going on in

1392
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:33,880
this country?" We need to have humanity
back.

1393
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:44,800
Um, ask me Hawk Patkong. Um, I'm
disgusted, but I'm not surprised because

1394
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:48,560
we all know that you're deplorable human
beings. From a younger person, I am even

1395
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:52,080
more disappointed, bro, because you know
better. There are some things that we

1396
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:58,000
just sat here and told you what we want.
We're not scared of people from from

1397
01:52:54,320 --> 01:53:02,239
other countries. We're not scared of of
voter fraud. Those are non-issues. You

1398
01:53:00,719 --> 01:53:06,560
don't give a about what we're
talking about. And I don't know what's

1399
01:53:03,679 --> 01:53:10,000
funny. What? Cussing? Didn't some Wasn't
somebody in here talking about saying

1400
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:13,599
the N-word with the hard R and I can't I
can't Don't tell me what I can and can't

1401
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:18,800
say. I can say what I need to say. I
have freedom of speech. Okay. Okay,

1402
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:21,920
that's fine. I'm glad that you think
that it's funny. I'm glad you think that

1403
01:53:20,239 --> 01:53:27,440
it's funny. The biggest threat to
America is white men that look like you,

1404
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:30,560
you, me, you, you, you, you, all these
cops here. And something, by the way, I

1405
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:33,040
don't even think it's worth talking to a
lot of you, but I urge all the white

1406
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:35,760
people here because a lot of people have
said that you're surprised. You don't

1407
01:53:34,239 --> 01:53:39,119
know what's happening, what's going on.
Because we have been so deeply beaten

1408
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:43,760
with propaganda that we are the greatest
country in the world. We have always

1409
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:46,960
been this way. Imperialistic, genocidal.
I'm not looking at you. You're not

1410
01:53:45,119 --> 01:53:51,440
special. Okay. I'm not looking at you.
I'm looking around. Yeah.

1411
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:55,760
» Right. Thank you. Thank you so much. I
appreciate that. We've always been

1412
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:59,599
Shush. We've always been genocidal. We
came to this land. We We We genocided

1413
01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:02,800
the indigenous people. I don't want to
look at you. I don't like looking at

1414
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:08,440
you. We genocided the indigenous people
when we came here. We killed them. We It

1415
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:18,040
It's Why are you interrupting me? I'm
still talking.

1416
01:54:13,679 --> 01:54:18,040
Are you threatening me? Like Like

1417
01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:25,599
I'm I'm not Nobody's throwing me out.
Nobody's touching me. Okay. Um I don't

1418
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:29,520
know. Like I just urge you all to take a
look at what we've done because this is

1419
01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:33,280
not a surprise. We we we brought black
people here to do slave labor. We ate

1420
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:37,679
them. White people were cannibals. We
fed their babies to alligators. This is

1421
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:41,119
not a surprise that we do this.
The problem is now it's affecting us.

1422
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:44,639
So, we're all like, "Oh, no. What's
going on?" And I'm not trying to insult

1423
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:49,760
you. We're not We're ignorant to it, but
this is not new. We We started the

1424
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:54,000
Iranian war by bombing 168 little girls
in school. This is what we do. This is

1425
01:54:52,080 --> 01:54:57,119
the American way. And when
somebody was up here saying that they

1426
01:54:55,199 --> 01:54:59,920
don't feel threatened by the police. Uh
well, I do, but I know I'm privileged,

1427
01:54:58,719 --> 01:55:04,639
but I don't know if y'all have seen the
news. Like, they're shooting black kids

1428
01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:07,119
left and right. A little boy called the
cops the other day. He had a water

1429
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:12,400
bottle in his waistband and they shot
him. He called the cops for help and

1430
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:16,560
they shot him. Nolan Wells. The whole
I'm not talking to you. Okay. You want

1431
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:20,880
to Okay, I'll look you in your eyes when
I say it. Okay. Nolan Wells. Black

1432
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:25,280
people don't hang themselves from trees
after they broke their bones.

1433
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:29,599
Okay, we have a major problem. It's not
immigrants. It's not black people. It's

1434
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:34,560
not indigenous people. It's the white
people. Okay, we we don't want AI data

1435
01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:38,480
centers. We're in drought and we're do
we want a future and young people like

1436
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:42,239
me and this guy right here, he we don't
have a future, okay? We're telling you

1437
01:55:40,239 --> 01:55:45,679
what we need and you don't give a damn.
And I'm so sick and tired of you old

1438
01:55:44,159 --> 01:55:50,000
people not giving a about what
we're telling you because we don't have

1439
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:52,960
a future. Do you understand that? I'm
looking at you now because you wanted so

1440
01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:57,000
badly to make romantic eye contact with
me. Okay.

1441
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:08,480
» Sandy Pender, Freeden Township. I am
going to try to bring it down a notch a

1442
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:14,000
little bit. Uh but I am going to say I'm
incredibly disappointed with all of your

1443
01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:19,440
comments following all of the comments
from your constituents. I want to thank

1444
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:24,719
everybody who showed up here tonight and
who spoke or either came and sat in

1445
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:32,760
solidarity. And I want to address the
audience and just say when people show

1446
01:56:27,599 --> 01:56:32,760
you who they are, believe them.

1447
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:42,159
» Bernie Green Monu.
So, I just want to remind you that, you

1448
01:56:40,159 --> 01:56:48,080
know, you are an all Republican county
commissioners. Um, but not all of Sussex

1449
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:52,800
County is Republican. You do represent
the other party as well. They are also

1450
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:57,040
your constituents, right? So, we've come
here and

1451
01:56:55,040 --> 01:57:00,400
you're probably assuming what political
party we are, which I don't think that

1452
01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:06,560
you should do. Some of us are not
Democratic Party. Uh,

1453
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:10,800
you represent everybody. This is not
just like a small minority. We're coming

1454
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:15,199
here. We told you how we feel about all
of this. Somebody even made a great

1455
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:19,199
suggestion to table it, open the
discussion back up because the

1456
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:24,800
information that you cited is 7 years
old. A lot of people move in that time.

1457
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:29,280
The con the makeup of Sussex County
changes.

1458
01:57:26,639 --> 01:57:32,880
Everything changes in seven years. But
you guys are afraid of that. You're

1459
01:57:30,639 --> 01:57:37,360
afraid of the change, right? You're
afraid

1460
01:57:35,119 --> 01:57:40,320
of
the people that are different from you.

1461
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:44,880
You're you're afraid of all of this,
right? But when your entire life is

1462
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:49,599
driven by fear, fear of others, fear of
change, you will never feel safe. Safety

1463
01:57:47,679 --> 01:57:52,639
comes from understanding, knowing,
connecting. [clears throat] It doesn't

1464
01:57:50,639 --> 01:57:57,280
come from the government. It doesn't
come from violence. It doesn't come from

1465
01:57:54,639 --> 01:58:02,639
family separation. It comes from love,
not hate, not fear. When we know love,

1466
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:06,159
we know peace. I don't need to force
roots in this land. I choose to be part

1467
01:58:04,639 --> 01:58:10,880
of this country by standing with the
people who built it. The black slaves

1468
01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:14,560
that we abuse, the immigrants we vilify,
they built this country. When we stand

1469
01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:19,280
with them, we show true love for our
country and its peoples. That's what

1470
01:58:16,639 --> 01:58:22,880
Renee Good and Alex Py understood. They
were white like me and they died for our

1471
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:28,800
immigrant neighbors. They died because
people like Johan Sebastian Guerrero and

1472
01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:33,119
Lorenzo Sagato Arao are dying every day.
It's not I do or I don't see color. It's

1473
01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:38,400
not what about about what you see with
your eyes. It's about what you see with

1474
01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:44,080
your heart. See the person, love your
neighbors, and be kind.

1475
01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:47,920
We will save this world with love, not
hate,

1476
01:58:45,599 --> 01:58:51,920
not fear.
And that's what you guys are doing. By

1477
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:56,800
passing resolutions, performative
resolutions like this, you are making

1478
01:58:54,000 --> 01:59:01,760
people fearful of things that are not
that don't exist. fears that you're

1479
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:05,119
coming up with some random boogeyman.
It's not. Immigrants are not the

1480
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:08,639
problem.
You're more focused on them than you are

1481
01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:11,760
on the people that are robbing you
blind.

1482
01:59:10,159 --> 01:59:16,239
The millionaires and billionaires in
this country that buy out our politics,

1483
01:59:13,599 --> 01:59:19,280
buy out our news agencies.
Those are the people that are

1484
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:24,480
manipulating us because we're too busy
fighting amongst ourselves. It drives

1485
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:31,199
the focus away from them.
They're the ones running this country.

1486
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:38,440
So, are you going to continue to eat up
all of those lies that they're

1487
01:59:33,599 --> 01:59:38,440
force-feeding you through in the news?

1488
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:47,599
Hi, Veronica Fernandez. Again, I get a
chance to double dip and I really

1489
01:59:45,679 --> 01:59:51,119
appreciate that about non-aggenda items
and any chance. Um, I also want to

1490
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:54,400
mention that um I'm on the ballot to
challenge Corey Booker. I'm an

1491
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:58,239
independent progressive. Uh there are
four candidates on the ballot. I'm an

1492
01:59:56,400 --> 02:00:01,679
independent. I wish we all were
independents. This two-party system is

1493
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:05,280
killing us. We're at each other and we
don't need to be. I wish uh you know

1494
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:09,199
that that we could just all be
independents and everybody would have to

1495
02:00:06,639 --> 02:00:12,000
earn their vote. Uh but any time I get a
chance to speak about healthcare, I'm

1496
02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:16,560
going to take it because I'm a former
underwriter. I was licensed up there at

1497
02:00:13,599 --> 02:00:19,520
selective insurance and uh um I know
what you guys all are you guys all know

1498
02:00:18,159 --> 02:00:23,599
how to read a county in a municipal
budget and what we are paying for health

1499
02:00:20,960 --> 02:00:26,880
insurance is insane. It's unsustainable
and it has to change. It's it's the

1500
02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:30,080
reason why we're closing down programs
for our children in our schools like

1501
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:33,440
Jefferson Township. We're cutting
teachers pay. We're letting go of

1502
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:37,040
teachers. We have the money. It's just
how we're spending it. We're sending it

1503
02:00:35,199 --> 02:00:40,880
to a handful of insurance companies who
provide no medical product, no medical

1504
02:00:39,119 --> 02:00:45,199
service, completely unnecessary
middlemen kept in office by both parties

1505
02:00:43,679 --> 02:00:49,199
by their big donors in the healthcare
industry. So I I know what I know the

1506
02:00:47,679 --> 02:00:53,920
average teacher salary in New Jersey
right now is 81,000. their premium for

1507
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:58,480
2026, their family premium, not
including dental or vision, is over

1508
02:00:56,400 --> 02:01:02,080
$60,000 a year. And that's in our
budgets. That's what we're paying that

1509
02:01:00,239 --> 02:01:04,560
could be going to children. And the
other thing that I have a minute and a

1510
02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:07,760
half and I want to say, and I'm really
debating whether to say this because

1511
02:01:05,840 --> 02:01:13,040
I've never said this to another person
before. I grew up in Sussex County, and

1512
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:16,719
I do believe it's deeply racist. And I
know that that's true because anybody

1513
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:19,920
who is my age, I just turned 67 last
week. I used to play this like not a

1514
02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:24,639
game when I was a kid, but when I was
driving around with my parents and I saw

1515
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:28,639
a car car pulled over, I knew it was
going to be a black guy. Didn't have a

1516
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:34,560
lot of black people. And anybody who was
around my age knows that that's true cuz

1517
02:01:31,119 --> 02:01:38,880
if I saw it, you saw it. A lot of times
when people were pulled over, more times

1518
02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:42,159
than not, it was a black guy. And I
thought that we had overcome that. I

1519
02:01:40,320 --> 02:01:45,440
thought we had become better than that.
But we haven't. And that that is

1520
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:49,280
breaking my heart that we're not better
than that. Everybody says they don't see

1521
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:53,440
color. I think that's the problem. You
need to see the color. You need to see

1522
02:01:50,719 --> 02:01:57,679
the dis difference. Like why her her uh
father could only be a cook is because

1523
02:01:55,840 --> 02:02:01,760
in World War II they weren't allowed to
be sergeants. They they they they could

1524
02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:05,199
only be enlisted. They didn't have rank.
That's how close we are still to it. The

1525
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:09,360
civil rights they're taking that away.
We we have a racism problem and it's in

1526
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:12,400
my in this county that I love so much.
And you really got to you can you have

1527
02:02:11,199 --> 02:02:15,440
the chance to be on the right side of
history. You have the chance to do the

1528
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:19,520
right thing. That's what you have an
opportunity here amidst all this hatred.

1529
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:23,040
Sussex County can stand up and say no,
we're not having it here. We're choosing

1530
02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:27,199
our kids. We're choosing our teachers.
We're choosing our cops. We're choosing

1531
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:31,880
our families. We're choosing healthcare.
We're choosing Veronica for Senate.

1532
02:02:28,719 --> 02:02:31,880
Thank you.

1533
02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:44,400
» Sierra Wilson again. uh you know me from
Stan Hope. I guess um I'm not surprised

1534
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:47,599
that you passed it. Um but I do want you
all to know that you could have voted on

1535
02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:51,360
one and not the other. So not only have
you told your constitu constituents that

1536
02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:56,800
you want to waste their money, but you
also are a deeply racist uh council, but

1537
02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:59,119
I think again everyone knew that. Um, if
you want to see what's going to happen

1538
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:02,880
in your streets and don't feel like
making the commute to Delaney Hall, I

1539
02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:08,000
guess it's like an hour from here, uh,
you should go to Dover and see ICE

1540
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:11,360
agents who are masked up, who are
wearing plain clothes, snatching kids

1541
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:16,159
off the street. Yes, literal children
riding their bicycles on the street

1542
02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:18,800
because they get $2,000 ahead. Uh,
regardless if they're a citizen,

1543
02:03:17,440 --> 02:03:22,880
regardless if they have a green card.
This is confirmed. ICE agents get $2,000

1544
02:03:21,119 --> 02:03:26,080
for every single person that they snatch
up. Again, regardless if they're a

1545
02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:30,639
citizen or not, regardless if they stay
one hour or one year in Delaney Hall,

1546
02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:33,920
they get paid $2,000 ahead. We've seen
this before, they are literal head

1547
02:03:32,320 --> 02:03:37,440
hunters. They are slave catchers. This
is what you're going to see in your town

1548
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:42,599
because you voted on it. So, shame on
all of you. That's all I have to say is

1549
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:42,599
shame. Truly.

1550
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:52,639
» Hi, Carrie Stler, Morris County. I just
wanted to address something that

1551
02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:55,760
Commissioner
said. He said, I think you said you

1552
02:03:54,239 --> 02:03:59,760
don't like the government or you don't
trust the government, but you are the

1553
02:03:57,840 --> 02:04:06,560
government. You're a county commissioner
and you're here passing resolutions and

1554
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:11,840
creating laws and regulations to benefit
the people of your county. And I'm not

1555
02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:15,040
one of them, but
out because you're obviously here for a

1556
02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:18,239
reason. So, if you just trust the
government and you don't like the

1557
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:23,239
government, then maybe you should
reconsider uh whether you want to be

1558
02:04:20,239 --> 02:04:23,239
reelected.

1559
02:04:28,159 --> 02:04:34,719
Claire Golden from Andover Township up
again. And the only reason I'm coming up

1560
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:40,000
here again is to answer a question that
was posed by one of the other speakers.

1561
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:44,239
She asked why is this happening? Why are
people being kept in detention in Wayne

1562
02:04:42,480 --> 02:04:49,199
Hall?
Some of them many of them are months

1563
02:04:46,719 --> 02:04:53,360
many of them have been years there.
Well, there is one reason and it's the

1564
02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:58,480
answer to a lot of why of a lot of this
stuff is happening. Money.

1565
02:04:56,639 --> 02:05:03,760
EO
other companies that run these ice

1566
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:09,679
facilities make a fortune.
I mean, you can see they're spending

1567
02:05:06,080 --> 02:05:15,599
$125 million to buy a war a warehouse
that was valued at 30 thou $30 million

1568
02:05:13,440 --> 02:05:22,480
and then they'll cancel it and give it
back. There's plenty of money being sent

1569
02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:27,599
around to cronies like GEO.
So this is like they said it's

1570
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:32,159
trafficking in humans. Lock them up,
beat them maggots and make a fortune

1571
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:37,520
doing it. And they're taking that
example from the top.

1572
02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:44,080
President in in our current
administration has made over $2 billion

1573
02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:51,280
in office. Put that up against the
history that he that preceded him. Every

1574
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:57,840
president before him has not traded
socks. Jimmy Carter sold his peanut farm

1575
02:05:55,440 --> 02:06:01,760
so that there would be no conflict.
That's not what President Trump is

1576
02:05:59,360 --> 02:06:07,040
doing. He and his family have made a
fortune trading. And and I knew tonight

1577
02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:11,840
how this vote was going. I just regret
that I didn't bet on Kelshi.

1578
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:17,520
The only reason they kept me from doing
that is because the Trump brothers would

1579
02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:23,360
have made a a fortune on that. They're
making money because Kelshi and Poly

1580
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:30,000
Market were supposed to be regulated,
but when they invested it, ah, no more

1581
02:06:26,080 --> 02:06:34,560
need to regulate them. It's so corrupt.
It's all about money. And it started

1582
02:06:32,079 --> 02:06:39,520
with Citizens United, which allowed
fortunes to be invested by companies and

1583
02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:43,520
politicians.
That has to stop. We have to get big

1584
02:06:41,599 --> 02:06:50,280
money out of politics or this problem
will never ever be solved. It's all

1585
02:06:46,639 --> 02:06:50,280
about money.

1586
02:06:52,560 --> 02:07:00,880
» And I I just want to clarify what I
said. I have distrust for for both

1587
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:05,520
parties. It's not that I distrust what
I'm doing or what we're doing up there.

1588
02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:09,840
So, just so we're clear.
Thank you,

1589
02:07:06,400 --> 02:07:15,119
» Amy Len. Um, I just wanted to agree. But
it's not just money, greed, and

1590
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:19,840
corruption. It's hatred in blackened
hearts. And what happened to love thy

1591
02:07:17,599 --> 02:07:28,920
neighbor? Care for thy neighbor. Take
care of thy neighbor. Love one another.

1592
02:07:24,320 --> 02:07:28,920
I have to end with a quote in German.

1593
02:07:46,560 --> 02:07:56,639
Whoever battles monsters
should see to it that in the process he

1594
02:07:52,639 --> 02:08:04,800
does not become a monster himself.
And when you look long into the abyss,

1595
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:08,040
the abyss also looks into you.
Thank you,

1596
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:19,679
» Scott. Nol Sparta. Um, my comments a
little bit tamer. Um, it's not as

1597
02:08:17,119 --> 02:08:27,040
dramatic, a note maybe to end on, but
um, I'm a process guy. That's what I I

1598
02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:32,058
do for work. Um
I first I'll sure I am disappointed,

1599
02:08:29,679 --> 02:08:34,880
right? I mean the evidence
[clears throat] is extraordinary. I

1600
02:08:33,440 --> 02:08:38,239
don't actually believe you guys are that
ignorant. I think there's a willful

1601
02:08:36,239 --> 02:08:45,520
choice to make a wrong decision. I can't
imagine why. It's it's very very clear.

1602
02:08:42,560 --> 02:08:53,040
Um but I also can see that it is your
decision to make, right? You're the

1603
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:59,840
you're the county, right? So given that
the decision's been made, my request

1604
02:08:56,480 --> 02:09:05,520
given that ISIS's behavior is a known
quantity, that is something that will

1605
02:09:02,159 --> 02:09:10,079
put the citizenry, the voters, and the
officers at risk. So, I would suggest in

1606
02:09:08,400 --> 02:09:14,239
the interim before we get closer to
elections,

1607
02:09:11,920 --> 02:09:19,360
figure out some SOPs for how the
officers will have to interact with ICE

1608
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:24,800
that they take the lead as the members
of their community

1609
02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:32,560
rather than be tainted by and put in
danger by a bunch of clueless

1610
02:09:29,599 --> 02:09:37,679
that are out hurting, killing,
incarcerating, and abusing people.

1611
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:42,880
Our guy shouldn't be exposed to that.
It's wrong to do to the police. The

1612
02:09:40,079 --> 02:09:48,520
decision's been made. He's go the next
step and figure out how to do it to

1613
02:09:44,560 --> 02:09:48,520
minimize the risk to them.

1614
02:09:56,159 --> 02:10:04,320
Phil Duffano branch of New Jersey.
So I didn't come here tonight

1615
02:10:01,794 --> 02:10:08,400
[clears throat] for me. I came here for
all these people

1616
02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:12,639
cuz I knew this was going to be like
this anyway cuz what you're doing here

1617
02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:16,079
is grandstanding.
Total grandstanding.

1618
02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:20,880
This is a joke. There was never going to
be any kind of openness in a vote. You

1619
02:10:18,400 --> 02:10:26,239
You guys knew when you walked out here
how you were going to vote tonight.

1620
02:10:23,440 --> 02:10:29,679
You know who I feel sorry for these
guys. And I know a lot of them cuz

1621
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:35,199
they're going to be babysitting
criminals. They're criminals.

1622
02:10:32,239 --> 02:10:40,239
Read the newspapers. Wake up. See how
many of those guys are going to jail for

1623
02:10:37,679 --> 02:10:46,400
the stuff they do. They're given free
reign like terrorists. So what you're

1624
02:10:43,599 --> 02:10:50,239
part of here is creating another Nazi
Germany. It's happening slowly but

1625
02:10:48,400 --> 02:10:54,560
surely. And the other thing you wanted
to do tonight is fear-mongering.

1626
02:10:53,040 --> 02:10:59,199
That's what the Republican party is
doing right now. Lots of fear mongering.

1627
02:10:56,800 --> 02:11:04,960
Do you know why? because the elections
are coming and I'm coming hard, really

1628
02:11:02,320 --> 02:11:09,840
hard. This has been the Boys and Women's
Club for too long. These are decisions

1629
02:11:07,360 --> 02:11:14,480
that are irresponsible and I'm not going
to be party to them. These people are

1630
02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:21,280
not listened to. You don't listen to
them. You sit here like this half asleep

1631
02:11:18,560 --> 02:11:25,440
and you let them just talk away. You
don't listen to them. That's not my idea

1632
02:11:23,119 --> 02:11:31,040
of an elected official. An elected
official is somebody who is listened to.

1633
02:11:28,239 --> 02:11:36,400
These people have a lot to think about.
This is their community, too. Fix some

1634
02:11:33,360 --> 02:11:41,199
issues in the county. Not bring these
stupid mass terrorists. These guys are

1635
02:11:39,119 --> 02:11:44,560
going to be babysitters for these guys.
They don't have enough to do. Well, I

1636
02:11:43,280 --> 02:11:49,599
hope that they don't come to your
houses. I really do. I hope they don't

1637
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:55,920
affect your community and the towns you
live in and your children and you

1638
02:11:53,599 --> 02:12:01,639
young people. You should be ashamed of
yourself. I'm done. I don't need another

1639
02:11:58,639 --> 02:12:01,639
name.

1640
02:12:14,079 --> 02:12:17,436
John Snider Sanderson. [clears throat]

1641
02:12:17,440 --> 02:12:23,360
Wow.
Guess we got a lot of very enlightened

1642
02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:26,480
people in this room. I feel like a I don't know any of this stuff

1643
02:12:24,639 --> 02:12:29,480
that these people are all all experts
on.

1644
02:12:30,639 --> 02:12:35,760
Heard somebody talking about love, not
hate.

1645
02:12:34,159 --> 02:12:39,800
A lot of what I heard tonight sure
sounds like hatred to me.

1646
02:12:41,599 --> 02:12:46,880
Also heard someone talk about
fear-mongering and what were they doing?

1647
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:52,159
Fear-mongering. Telling people how this
is the end. Your kids are not going to

1648
02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:56,159
see this country the way it was.
Somebody described you people up here as

1649
02:12:53,920 --> 02:12:59,360
being deplorable. And I completely
disagree.

1650
02:12:57,760 --> 02:13:03,800
I thank you for what you're doing, for
giving people the opportunity to speak.

1651
02:13:12,320 --> 02:13:18,800
If someone was also talking about how
immigrants built the country,

1652
02:13:16,480 --> 02:13:22,199
believe they were legal immigrants. I
hope we're not alluding

1653
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:30,320
I hope we're not alluding to the fact
that the current illegal immigrants in

1654
02:13:28,159 --> 02:13:34,960
this country many of them committing
crimes all of them obviously not.

1655
02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:39,599
But I don't want to work on a percentage
of how many are doing it. You had a son

1656
02:13:37,679 --> 02:13:45,239
or a daughter that was killed by one. I
don't think you would want to hear what

1657
02:13:41,119 --> 02:13:45,239
the percentage of crime was.

1658
02:13:45,760 --> 02:13:54,480
I also heard someone saying ICE agents
get $2,000 for a head for

1659
02:13:52,639 --> 02:13:59,400
an arrest to detention. I like to know
where that comes from. I've never heard

1660
02:13:56,159 --> 02:13:59,400
that before.

1661
02:14:07,199 --> 02:14:16,000
Well, once again, what I hear from a lot
of people here tonight isn't love, it's

1662
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:22,599
hatred.
But I thank you for listening and keep

1663
02:14:18,239 --> 02:14:22,599
doing a good job. Thank you

1664
02:14:26,000 --> 02:14:34,159
for Hal from Franen. Um thank you for
your service to our county. Um having

1665
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:39,760
said that I feel like my heart is it
breaks a little bit more every day. It

1666
02:14:36,960 --> 02:14:44,639
breaks when my daughter this year and a
first year teacher was in a lockdown for

1667
02:14:42,639 --> 02:14:49,840
an hour and a half with her third grade
specialed students because there was a

1668
02:14:47,199 --> 02:14:54,079
person in the gun or with a gun in her
building. And we care more about

1669
02:14:52,159 --> 02:15:00,480
allowing people to walk around with
guns, by the way, it was a white man

1670
02:14:57,920 --> 02:15:06,719
than we do about protecting our citizens
and protecting our children in schools.

1671
02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:11,760
I don't know where we have come. My
grandfather was grew up in Newton. He

1672
02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:16,079
was a veteran. I traveled to Belgium
with him as a World War II veteran and

1673
02:15:14,159 --> 02:15:22,400
we were guests of the Belgian government
because he was there when people were

1674
02:15:19,360 --> 02:15:27,920
released from concentration camps.
People thanked us as Americans. And now

1675
02:15:24,800 --> 02:15:33,920
we have become a threat to the rest of
the world. And I don't know how how you

1676
02:15:31,920 --> 02:15:39,199
can sleep at night because I can't
anymore. 3:00 every [clears throat]

1677
02:15:36,560 --> 02:15:44,960
single morning, I am up wondering where
is God? Where is this God that we love

1678
02:15:43,040 --> 02:15:50,400
and we and protects us? Because right
now, we're living in a place filled with

1679
02:15:47,599 --> 02:15:54,320
hatred. And I don't know how you can
sleep at night with the decisions you've

1680
02:15:52,079 --> 02:15:59,040
made. I don't know how you think it's
going to be okay for children to go to

1681
02:15:57,199 --> 02:16:03,199
church. Nobody's going to go to church
anymore. There's churches that that have

1682
02:16:01,679 --> 02:16:06,960
Spanish services here. Do you think
those people are going to feel

1683
02:16:04,239 --> 02:16:12,400
comfortable going to church anymore?
We're isolating them. Do you think

1684
02:16:09,840 --> 02:16:18,000
children of immigrants or children of
not immigrants, just people who have

1685
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:22,560
brown skin, might feel comfortable going
to school and having to walk through

1686
02:16:19,599 --> 02:16:28,000
Newton if they know there's ICE agents?
You are ruining their chances for a fair

1687
02:16:25,119 --> 02:16:33,599
and equitable education.
And I don't know where this comes from.

1688
02:16:30,880 --> 02:16:38,800
It sickens me. It makes my heart hurt so
bad because I believe in the beauty of

1689
02:16:36,559 --> 02:16:42,719
human beings.
But when I stand here and I see

1690
02:16:40,559 --> 02:16:46,200
decisions like this, I question where
that beauty is.

1691
02:16:51,519 --> 02:16:58,080
Michelle Van Allen, artist in New
Jersey. Um,

1692
02:16:56,479 --> 02:17:02,000
I have a friend that works for the
Colombian consulate and she's been

1693
02:16:59,840 --> 02:17:06,240
working hard not only for folks um
trying to get here legally even though

1694
02:17:04,319 --> 02:17:10,880
they've been picked up as they're going
through their process being arrested

1695
02:17:07,840 --> 02:17:17,359
when they're getting sworn in, but um
she uh lives in Dover and she told me

1696
02:17:13,920 --> 02:17:21,760
about um how the town has become a ghost
town and that's about what we're going

1697
02:17:19,280 --> 02:17:26,000
to turn Newton into very soon when we
have uh people patrolling streets and

1698
02:17:23,519 --> 02:17:29,840
picking everyone else that looks
different than them. And actually, a lot

1699
02:17:27,679 --> 02:17:35,120
of them look the same. I'm I'm surprised
how many Hispanic and black people are

1700
02:17:32,240 --> 02:17:40,639
selling out their own souls to um work
for ICE and and immigration. But she

1701
02:17:38,080 --> 02:17:43,679
said the businesses are closing down.
They don't have workers. They don't have

1702
02:17:42,240 --> 02:17:46,559
people coming there. They're afraid to
come there. The families are afraid to

1703
02:17:45,280 --> 02:17:54,080
leave their home. They're afraid to send
their children to school. And you know,

1704
02:17:49,120 --> 02:18:00,080
considering that we have a highly um uh
large population of um people that are

1705
02:17:57,280 --> 02:18:03,760
not white in Newton, it thank you for
shutting down Newton. That's been

1706
02:18:01,519 --> 02:18:08,479
starting to grow and will no longer be
able to because a lot of those

1707
02:18:04,960 --> 02:18:13,840
businesses are going to fail. Um
unfortunately, uh the there the director

1708
02:18:11,599 --> 02:18:17,760
of national intelligence um looks like
uh Jay Clayton's getting sworn in this

1709
02:18:15,519 --> 02:18:22,000
week. uh will be sworn in because he's
been confirmed. And the one question he

1710
02:18:20,080 --> 02:18:29,439
could not answer when he was asked time
and time again uh by John Oaf was was

1711
02:18:25,760 --> 02:18:33,760
the 2020 election fair? Was it was it
decided fairly? Was it a legal election?

1712
02:18:31,840 --> 02:18:39,760
He could not answer that question. He
refused to many many times because

1713
02:18:37,599 --> 02:18:44,319
um apparently he got uh you know
marching orders from the regime. And I I

1714
02:18:42,479 --> 02:18:49,519
I'd love to ask all of you, but I know
you can't answer me. Um, was the 2020

1715
02:18:47,200 --> 02:18:56,399
election fair and legal? Or do you
believe that the um the president that

1716
02:18:53,679 --> 02:19:00,399
it is now in charge, was he fairly
elected? And I guess um you might want

1717
02:18:58,880 --> 02:19:05,040
to go back that far if you want to point
a finger at New Jerseyy's voting

1718
02:19:02,719 --> 02:19:09,439
records. Um what did you feel about the
2020 election? Was that fair? Was he u

1719
02:19:07,679 --> 02:19:12,559
unfairly elected? And by the way, I
think he's planning on running for 2028.

1720
02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:18,639
So make sure you all get your hats and
stand up for him. Um I just feel that um

1721
02:19:16,319 --> 02:19:23,200
we are not representing everybody in
this county. You need to represent all

1722
02:19:20,559 --> 02:19:27,040
when you get elected and elections have
consequences. In fact, the November

1723
02:19:25,040 --> 02:19:30,719
election will have one as well. For our
county commissioner that's running, Phil

1724
02:19:28,559 --> 02:19:34,160
Stephano, and for our county clerk,
Claire Golden. So keep that in mind,

1725
02:19:32,479 --> 02:19:37,200
voters at home and what the ones that
are here. Please remember that when you

1726
02:19:35,840 --> 02:19:41,359
go out and vote that the people that
really want to stand up for everyone in

1727
02:19:39,280 --> 02:19:45,359
this county, not just the white
population or a few, and the ones that

1728
02:19:43,599 --> 02:19:53,319
will protect our children and our
citizens are those people. So, make sure

1729
02:19:47,920 --> 02:19:53,319
you use your voice and vote. Thank you.

1730
02:20:00,640 --> 02:20:09,600
» So, I just make a suggestion.
How much the county and the state are

1731
02:20:06,479 --> 02:20:13,520
required to uh cooperate with ICE will
be determined by the courts as you know

1732
02:20:11,439 --> 02:20:19,760
under the scrimmage
exemption. Um if it's determined that we

1733
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:25,920
must cooperate with them what I would
recommend is that um you into negoti you

1734
02:20:24,080 --> 02:20:32,399
you meaning the state as well look into
negotiating the indemnity of it. It's

1735
02:20:28,399 --> 02:20:36,880
not clear, as I see it, that people who
are obligated to cooperate with the feds

1736
02:20:35,120 --> 02:20:42,160
have this protection of federal
indemnities. And so that will fall on

1737
02:20:40,240 --> 02:20:46,000
your malpractice, your meaning the the
local police malpractice, the

1738
02:20:43,600 --> 02:20:50,880
malpractice writers for the county and
the state. And the lawsuits will have to

1739
02:20:48,720 --> 02:20:55,439
be handled. And so it may there may be
an opportunity to negotiate with the

1740
02:20:53,520 --> 02:20:58,720
feds an indemnity agreement. They're not
going to give it, but there may be an

1741
02:20:57,040 --> 02:21:03,040
opportunity. I mean, I would recommend
this. This may come up in the future

1742
02:21:01,040 --> 02:21:06,560
because that may be what is required. I
don't know. I think personally, I think

1743
02:21:04,880 --> 02:21:10,960
it's unlikely. I think the supremacy
court will allow the states to keep the

1744
02:21:09,040 --> 02:21:14,960
laws we have. But if they don't, and
we're obligated to cooperate, I would

1745
02:21:13,600 --> 02:21:20,640
recommend that. I would secondly
recommend negotiating with the feds for

1746
02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:24,640
some oversight uh better oversight of
the detention centers and better

1747
02:21:22,240 --> 02:21:29,680
oversightes of the rules of engagement
that um ICE uh operates under. I think

1748
02:21:28,080 --> 02:21:34,000
there will be some opportunity to
negotiate and particularly if the

1749
02:21:31,840 --> 02:21:36,560
Democrats win in November, but even if
they don't, I think there'll be an

1750
02:21:35,359 --> 02:21:40,880
opportunity for that and I would
recommend that people take that

1751
02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:45,359
opportunity if we're forced to cooperate
with them, which we may. I I'm not sure

1752
02:21:42,880 --> 02:21:49,520
how it'll My guess is the laws will be
upheld, but I'm not sure. So, that's my

1753
02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:53,840
recommendation. I realize there's a lot
of people that are very upset here, and

1754
02:21:51,840 --> 02:21:57,520
I'm just trying to offer some possible
ways that we can make the situation

1755
02:21:55,600 --> 02:22:00,520
better if it comes down to it. Thank
you,

1756
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:12,080
» Debbie Melo, Freeden Township. Shame on
you. Shame on you for calling this

1757
02:22:08,800 --> 02:22:15,359
meeting. That was totally unnecessary.
Shame on you for bringing these

1758
02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:21,439
resolutions.
Shame on you for not really listening to

1759
02:22:18,640 --> 02:22:29,200
the people who came tonight. Shame on
you for passing these resolutions.

1760
02:22:26,080 --> 02:22:34,319
I would imagine fully understanding that
these resolutions do not supersede

1761
02:22:32,319 --> 02:22:39,200
state law. So, they're hollow
resolutions in my estimation. Shame on

1762
02:22:37,600 --> 02:22:42,200
you for wasting everybody's time
tonight.

1763
02:22:50,399 --> 02:22:58,160
Anyone else? Can I get a motion to close
the floor for public comment and return

1764
02:22:54,960 --> 02:23:02,800
to regular business? Secondorn and a
second from Deputy Director Degru. Any

1765
02:23:00,000 --> 02:23:07,200
discussion? All in favor? I post
abstain. Okay. Number 23. Reminders,

1766
02:23:04,800 --> 02:23:12,560
please check the county's website at
www.sussex.nj.

1767
02:23:09,840 --> 02:23:16,880
us for meeting schedules. Number 24,
there is no executive session. Number

1768
02:23:14,880 --> 02:23:20,720
25, adjournment. Can I get a motion to
adjourn the meeting? Okay. Commissioner

1769
02:23:18,960 --> 02:23:22,960
Henderson in a second.
>> Second.

1770
02:23:21,200 --> 02:23:30,000
» Uh, Commissioner Silverthornne, any
discussion? All in favor? I. Both

1771
02:23:25,760 --> 02:23:33,399
abstain. Meeting is over at 8:24.
Thank you everyone.