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We're calling the meeting to order. It
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Um, our first item is our flag salute.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.
>> All right, a roll call. All right. Uh,

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Miss Bucker
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» Miss Compatello
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>> Mr. Marks

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>> Mr. Oliverio

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>> Miss Palnik

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>> Mr. Waznjak

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» here. Uh, Mayor Perry
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» Solicitor Corbal
>> I'm here.

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» Engineer Baker
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» Uh, Chief Ward is not here. And I am We
do have a quorum.

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» Great. So our first item is our consent
agenda. So, we have the council meeting

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minutes for August 27th and also our
billist from September 10th. Looking for

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a motion to approve the September 10th,
2026 consent agenda pending billist

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approval by the burough president,
manager, and treasure.

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» Miss Bolenbacher.
>> Second.

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» Miss Pionic. Any questions or
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» Hearing none. All in favor? I
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Motion passes. Okay. Public comments on
agenda items. At this time, citizens may

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address the Craftenboroough Council on
any issue appearing on today's agenda.

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Only residents and taxpayers of the
Burough of Craftton will be permitted to

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address the council. Comments on
non-aggenda items will be taken at the

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end of tonight's meeting. Speakers will
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three minutes. Groups of people will be
required to designate a spokesperson to

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represent them before the council who
may speak for a maximum of 5 minutes.

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Council has the option to respond or not
at the end of the address. Our solicitor

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is this assigned timekeeper. Please
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the record. Um so we have Charlene.

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» Um I have question about the streetscape
before you get started with the school

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before on Kraken Boulevard before the
school where you did last time and you

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had the plants along the between the
curb and the sidewalk.

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Are are they over the limit of what the
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» Go ahead.
>> Just go ahead.

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» Well, I I I think that it's too high.
It's to see if there's little children

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or dogs or whatever walking and
especially at the corner where the um at

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corner of Bradford
you're coming up Bradford you cannot see

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to the right

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and um so then my question I would like
that to be considered in the new

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part for the incredible school I I think
you should have high stuff near the

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sidewalls.

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And the next thing is
Lyndon. I just I had a

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thought about
my my son has he lives in Boston. He has

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his children in a school and they have a
community center which and there's a bus

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at the school that will take the kids to
the community center after school. Of

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course, it costs money and they have all
sorts of programs for the kids. They

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have music, they they have swimming,
they have um gym type things,

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things like that. I think that would be
nice for the kids to have an opportunity

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for, you know, when the whole the whole
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Could be used for other things, too.

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» All right. So, we had a question about
the plants are too high um especially

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specifically at the corner of Bradford
um and have that considered for the

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school um or or for the grant from the
school to to the streetscaping.

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» Is there any because I know that that
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» trees. I think it's just something that
we'll have to review. We can we can

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certainly take a look at it as far as
the code part goes. Like I'm not

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» I'm not certain on that, but we can take
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» Can I say something else?
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we can make sure that they're better
trimmed than they have been. Um they do

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need to be maintained. Um and we need to
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maintained. We have struggled with that
recently. So, we're going to do what we

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can to make sure that that is more
properly maintained moving forward.

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» Can we do a practical test as well? uh
you know actually have

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you know what someone one of us or
somebody just drive down there and see

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what that feels like with somebody
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» There's actually a sighteline distance
thing we can do too that four corners

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and stuff like that. So that's what he
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» Right. I understand that but I mean on a
practical basis as well because I think

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citizens are talking about practical
basis more than they're talking about

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» regulated sightelines.
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» I do that every day. It's my corner.
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» Wait. I mean, and the corner mentioned
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right? So, that's not part of the
streetscaping that's getting done,

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right? We're we're what we're doing now
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playground.
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was done. And if we do it, she's saying
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it looks like now is what she's saying.
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» Okay. put more thought into the type of
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Um, and yeah, the plants I don't have
issues with with sites, but the plants

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do grow. They have to get trimmed. We
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regularly, and the
that'll all be considered as we do the

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the next phase as well, but the next
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um improving the bus access. It's not
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same treatment down from a landscape's
perspective but um the comments are

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noted and will be considered in that
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» All right. Um oh so anybody online
please raise your hand.

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» All right Sarah I'm going to go ahead
and allow you to talk. Feel free to

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unmute.

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All right. Can you confirm you can hear
me? All right.

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» Yes.
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» Wonderful. Um, my name is Sarah
Fitzpatrick. I am a resident of Craftton

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and I live at 34 Hawthorne Avenue. Um,
this is in regards to one of the items

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on the engineer report for the project
on um, Craftton Boulevard and uh, Noble

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A. Um I think during the last council
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about the uh intersection there and
basically like the danger it poses

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mostly to pedestrians, cyclists and
students trying to walk to work or walk

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walk to school. Um, and I noticed that
the item on the agenda is specifically

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to I think it's like a $1.3 million
project to completely modify that road

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and make it safer on like a uh longer
timeline. And I'm curious like what we

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are going to talk about on the agenda to
get something resolved quickly if that's

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on the agenda. Um and then furthermore,
there was an action taken to contact um

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all of the people on the town council
and the school board to try and get some

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more um like uh eyes looking at this
intersection for the safety. So, I did

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follow up with every person on the town
council, the town manager, and um the

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mayor. And unfortunately, I did not
receive a reply. And so I'm curious like

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on these items that show up on the
agenda, how can we as um constituents

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make sure that our voices are heard on
these matters of safety, especially when

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we're trying to get involved? Thank you.
>> Thank you, Sarah.

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» Okay. Does anybody want to respond or
>> Yeah, we can we can respond. We did um

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contact um Scott. We've talked to um uh
we have talked to um the engineers

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determined what the next best step is.
Um basically we did get confirmed that

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we do have to do a traffic study at that
intersection because of the way it's

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controlled. Um we are taking a basically
a simple approach of doing um there's a

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three tier process for the things that
have to be addressed. Um only one of

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those three things is likely to be um a
failure. um in at that intersection. So

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um really summaring summing them up very
quickly. One is how many people travel

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on the road a day. Um and that does not
meet that burden. And the second thing

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is how many accidents happen at that
there has to be at least five recorded

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accidents in the previous year to
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not going to meet that burden either. Um
the third burden is the most likely

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burden. So we're actually just having
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hopefully they're doing that in the next
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it tomorrow.
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and if it fails that test, which we
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will have a study done on that. Um or at
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so that it can be addressed. Um that
study is probably around $1,500. So it

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we'll just have to get it approved by
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that study, we could add stop signs if
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» so I have a question.
>> Can we can we do something faster than

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that? I mean, can we put in some sort of
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uh pedestrian crosswalking sign?
Something I mean, we have the signs that

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say uh you know, I mean, you must stop
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the law. I mean, they're just hold out
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I know I Mike, we were talking about the
right up at uh Craftton

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Boulevard and the Clear View extension,
there's a big, you know, crosswalk point

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and D. This is a crosswalk.
>> There's a So, in lie of a traffic study

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to do signs
>> to to get to Sarah's point, can we get

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to something quicker? Is can we do
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» We could probably add signage. We could
probably add signage. Yeah,

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» we mentioned the piano bars.
which yeah so we can start moving in the

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right direction here
>> that's already on the list to get done

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as well
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sorry person um that is the I'm going to
say like the appropriate step she would

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take is that for stop sign installation
versus these other signs which I don't

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know what the
>> that's correct

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» okay so that's what I mean
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>> I don't want to oversimplify signs but

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it seems like there are like a little
person walking like those are things we

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can put up as needed But to put in a
official stop sign that is where you

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have to go through those appropriate
steps. Exactly. Okay. I just wanted to

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make sure because I my first thought was
what is the timing? Could we do

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something quicker? So you can but to
change traffic flow official stop sign

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there is processes which I think we all
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very slow process. This study will be
could be done weeks. The ordinance could

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be passed. You could have it adapted. It
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This isn't like a longterm process. So,
I hadn't intended to have put put signs

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there cuz there has been no accidents
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» and you know over I don't think I think
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» Yeah.
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there's been concern I think
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sense that's why I was going to do that
but we can put additional signs up if

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that's
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because I think a lot of times this is
just me projecting just people you know

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it feels like things should be instant.
So, I just wanted to make sure I

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understood there is a process to these
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said the piano keys or whatever they're
called. So, there are things but I just

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wanted to make sure I understood the
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» Piano key is just a making sure
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not like a decorative crosswalk. It's
just a name for a more visible a much

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more visible amount of paint on the
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looking
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» because our our existing crosswalks
there are very faded and they're just

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very light bars. the um the type we're
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amount of paint and it's more visible um
for from a longer distance. And we also

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are looking into what we can do um on
the on the paving from a standpoint of

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like painting school zone or school
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um which are all things that you know in
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a study. And
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the that those things on the pavement
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pavement have a much better track record
of being effective.

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There are many studies that show that
adding a sign if people are not already

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driving safely adding a sign they they
will just ignore another sign. Um, so it

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might make people feel like we've done
something, but statistically it doesn't

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really do anything.
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» I mean, in painting on the ground feel
to me just feels like a sign on the

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ground. Not not to say that it isn't
helpful. It is good for visibility. All

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these things in aggregate are good,
>> which is is right. It is.

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» It is larger and more visible to
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» For sure. But I mean, until we actually
have other traffic calming measures put

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into place, like there's still a good
chance that somebody could just ignore

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it and keep rolling. I mean, even stop
stop signs, I think, at least add a

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legal uh barrier where the police can
enforce some things and uh and whatnot,

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but I mean, is there not something we
could do?

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» I don't know how many times in the last
5 years, I think I've heard folks come

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here asking for temporary speed bumps or
like other things. And I don't know what

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we have in our control or I know
obviously we don't have things budgeted

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or something sitting down at public
works that I'm aware of, but I mean, are

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there not things we could deploy there?
Um, again, typically speed bumps are

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pretty you that's usually the last the
last step. You usually want to put any

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other the other control methods in first
for multiple reasons. It slows down

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other vehicles, slows down emergency
vehicles. It um it's not they they're

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expensive. Um they damage our vehicles.
You know, there's a lot of reasons not

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to put in speed bumps, which is why we
have a whole process for putting in

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speed bumps, which is first putting up
speed monitors. And typically, this

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isn't a problem of speed bumps. This is
a problem of blind corners. So, you

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could have a speed bump in, but if it's
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really matter. I think the best thing
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which is why we're attempting to go down
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control the intersection better than
anything else we could do. Um, the other

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things are just, you know, really, to be
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but they have very minimal effect.
>> That probably the the painting is

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probably the ne next most effective
tool. Um, and then signage is probably

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the le the next effective tool, but
again, not that, you know, pretty low on

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the effectiveness scale,
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» all three could be best case scenario.
Did Did we get any clarification on

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putting a stop sign on the side that we
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the end of Black Bridge?
>> I haven't confirmed that yet. It does

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look like it's close enough that we
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in and say, "Whoops, we're sorry. We
thought it was ours." You know, it's

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it's close enough because I have a GIS
map that looks like it's clearly ours. I

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have a GS map that says it's not ours,
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» I don't know where the source of truth.
Did I ask you about this, Steve? Did I

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ask you for that map? I thought maybe I
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» There was a map where I asked for the
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» Yeah.
>> See, I think I I think I did ask, but I

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I can't remember if it was about that or
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it was about where our definitive
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» Oh. Oh. Oh, yeah. That's I know what you
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» Yeah.
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» that I I I needed to pull a paper file
and that's what I'm waiting on.

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» Okay.
>> Yeah. It's not on my

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» Yeah. Yeah. So, um so we might be able
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Okay. You know, and saying, "Whoops.
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intersection." Yeah.
>> Because it's really unclear. I thought

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it was really clear on one map I looked
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it was
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us to do it. It might actually be our
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» I mean, the worst case scenario is they
get they say no.

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» Well, they listen to this video and
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» Yeah.
>> Oh, we don't know.

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» Well, and I mean I I think we've had
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like intersections where maybe we don't
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» Yeah.
>> Popppler coming on to stare at as an

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example was another place where there's
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and and we're getting reports here in
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know. Yeah, we should probably figure
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» Oh, we did call 31 multiple times. We
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one. And they did put in they finally
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sometimes it takes time, you know,
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» So, to to Miss Fatrick though, I I did
receive your email. By the way, I

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apologize that I did not respond, but
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of
>> balls up in the air, and we were trying

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to figure out what the right response
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your email. We wanted to have something
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report on and we didn't until now. So,
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» go ahead. James,
>> uh, yes, James Mang 96 Star Street. Um,

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real quick, um, the podium mic seems to
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it's hard to hear when they speak. Um,
so just kind of note that. Um to

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Justin's point, uh thank you very much.
Yeah, like Stair Street, the stop bar

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doesn't seem to do much and like signage
is kind of weak. Um but to more agenda

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based items, um I would move to say that
we should keep and maintain Lynden to be

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um a part of the like a valuable part of
the uh community and so maintain it as

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as a park or like a benefit for those
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» Real quick, James, can you hear me on
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» Uh, better than Yeah.
>> Okay. It might just be like Make sure

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the mic is closeish to your mouth
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» You're like, I'm sure.
>> It is an older mic. So,

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» good enough. Oh, and the um link on
Savvy takes you to a dead webinar, too,

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by the way.
>> Okay, we will check that.

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And uh stop bars and signs are yeah they
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So to uh Sarah's point, you know, um you
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something more concrete works uh better.

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All right. Thank you, James.
All right. Next is our president's

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report. Again, construction projects all
throughout the burrow. Um, everywhere

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you go, there's some construction.
There's going to be detours. They

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change. We have them out on Savvy
Citizen. Um, so the the movement of the

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construction is all around. So, just be
aware of that. And again, will be ending

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soon and we will have better better
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John, on that I I know I texted Mike
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man, Stuben is rough right now. Like,
the the the trenching and then the rough

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patching they did is just absolutely
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hope is that they'll come in and
actually finish things uh to make it

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look like a street, not a a war zone.
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we wanted to comment specifically on
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» and they're going all the way down to
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halfway there yet.
>> Nope.

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» Yeah.
>> And unfortunately, we have very little

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control over that. It is they are a
utility and they are doing what's bare

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minimum required and there's not much we
can say about it.

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» And North Emily was the same. It was
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Then on top of the base layer is the
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You can't see it any of it. And it's
it's difficult. So that's happened with

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the broadhead project, too. And I'll
remind everybody that we asked them

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what, three, four times to go in with us
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could have done it with us
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So, we tried to get it done so that it
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Right.
>> And and I understand in conversation

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with you that uh and I think you
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they've gotten um permission from uh
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» from the state to increase their hours
which um the other day when I was

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leaving town um traffic at like 8:30 in
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trying to get through Craftton.
>> Yep. They were supposed to only be

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working 9:00 a.m. to 3 p.m. and then
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to 4 by Pendot. So they
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» we can complain to Pendot, but that's
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» Not going to do any good, but you know,
just just to remind people,

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» we can let them know that it's
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» Yep. Pendot approved them. is their plan
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they going to just do the trench?
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to pave the entire road all the way
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» Good.
>> Right. I think

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» that's lane, right?
>> It depends on where they're at. It could

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be a full lane or it could be curb to
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distances required. So,
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» when we were up one side of the road, we
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center joint. Um, if you have any spurs
that come off, then you have to do curb

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to curb and it's like
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trench. So, like you get a little bit
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they have to mill that off and pave it
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» Okay, good.
>> All right, mayor's report.

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» Yes. Well, tonight I'd um like to start
my remarks by um speaking a little bit

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about tomorrow's um 25th anniversary of
911. Um it's been a quarter century.

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Um but we do continue to remember the
nearly 3,000 lives that were lost that

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day in New York, at the Pentagon, and
here in Pennsylvania

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in a field near Shanksville. For us
Pennians, Shanksville really holds a

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particularly powerful place in that
memory. 40 passengers and the crew of

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Flight 93 faced
incredible circumstances and acted

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together.
Their courage prevented the hijacked

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plane from reaching its intended target
but cost them their lives.

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We remember too the first responders who
ran towards the danger, the families who

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lost someone they loved, and all those
whose lives were forever changed.

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25 years later, September 11 asks
something of us beyond simply

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remembering a terrible day. It asked us
to remember the courage, the sacrifice,

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compassion, and sense of common purpose
that emerged from it. Tomorrow, I hope

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we will all take a moment to remember
and to honor those lives by carrying a

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little of that spirit forward. There's
so many of us that were not even alive

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when this happened. So, um I wanted to
mention that the American Legion Post um

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82 in Carnegie will have their annual
ceremony of remembrance tomorrow at noon

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and the ceremony will be in front of
post uh of the post and the address is

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421 Jane Street. Everyone is welcome and
free parking in the Legion lot.

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And u moving on um I wanted to um talk a
little bit about September being

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national um hunger action month.
It's a reminder that hunger and food

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insecurity aren't problems just
somewhere else. They affect people right

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here in our community.
Fortunately,

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our community craft
is a community that takes care

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and takes action.
For example, I want to commend um the

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Craftton Ingram food pantry at Craftton
United Presbyterian on Bradford B on

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Bradford
which is connected with the uh greater

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uh Pittsburgh food bank and it provides
ongoing help to more than a hundred

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families and individuals every month
from our two communities. Then there's

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the summer lunch program at the
elementary schools both here and in

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Carnegie and it's financially supported
by local organizations including um

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Craft and Ingram Rotary, St. John's um
Evangelical Lutheran Church in CargI,

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St. Paul's in Mount Lebanon and Alagany
Elks 331 along with many volunteers.

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They've provided over 30,000 meals to
our community um and

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put out thousands of weekend food bang
food uh food bags to our children since

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the uh program started in 2020. Also,
each year our Boy Scout troops um band

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together um to help stock the local
pantries um with their food drives.

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These are these are really just some of
the organized efforts that we see. There

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are also many quieter ones. The people
who donate food or money, volunteer

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their time, check on a neighbor, or
simply help someone who needs a hand. As

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we recognize September as hunger action
month in Craftton, I especially want to

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thank everyone who contributes their
time, their dollars, and their energies

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formally and informally to make sure our
neighbors have enough to eat. It's one

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of the ways that we take care of one
another as a community. Thank you.

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And on a m more mundane level, um I want
to remind everybody school's back in

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session. And I want to remind everyone
that the school buses now have the

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automatic uh cameras and they capture
violations uh when their lights are on

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and the stop sign is extended and the
penalties are pretty steep. So either

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find another way to go to work or make
sure that you pay attention to those.

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And then um also our uh police
department is going to once again be

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hosting another FBI leadership uh class
all next week at the community center.

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The class is full. There's going to be
40 participants. So expect um more cars

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in the lot and activity around the
center. This is a a real feather um in

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our cap to be able to be um hosting
hosting these and that also provides

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some free spots for our officers to
attend these classes. That's my report

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tonight.
>> Thank you, Miss Perry. Um, solicitor's

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report.
>> No public report this evening.

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» Manager's report, Mr. Price.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, first on the

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agenda, the salt contract. Um, we have
received one bid um from someone uh that

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is about um 30% lower than um what we
received or maybe not 30, I guess $30

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lower than what we received um from
Shikog. So, we may have an opportunity

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to go with that. Um, we are still not
confirmed on that. We're waiting for

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several other sources to come back. So,
we'll keep everybody posted. We have

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until October to make a decision on
whether we're going to be forced to go

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with the Shakehog uh contract. Looks
like we have at least one option to not

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go that way. So, um it's not the full
amount, but at least it's a partial

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amount. Should get us through to
December, in which case we can go out

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for bid again in January.
Um open staff positions. Uh we got to

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welcome uh Mason Wilkerson this week.
He's our new building code official. Um

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and uh he's fairly excited to be here.
So um if you have a chance to come

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through uh introduce yourself. Uh I know
the mayor met him today.

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» Um so uh he is digging in. Um so that's
the only update with that.

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» Um next thing uh no update with the 30
Elm Street demolition. Uh we do expect

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that it'll be uh completed by the end of
October, but that's not a change from

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the last meeting.
Um next item, we were um re frier right

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excavating reached out to us had heard
that we sold bricks to a salante last

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year. This is a contact from Stephen uh
from Steve who's the uh public works uh

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director over in Ingram. Uh he told us
to reach out to him. So I'm putting this

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uh I put the resolution together. It's
basically the same resolution as last

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time except for uh for fry right
excavating. Uh we do have estimated

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about 14,000 red street bricks um down
in our stockpile. Um we can sell up to

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technically it's actually 19,900
bricks. Um we have to keep the price

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under 2,000. Um so they've requested to
purchase 1,900 bricks from the burrow.

409
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:58,880
Um, so with that, I'd like a motion to
approve resolution 2026-15

410
00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:07,679
permitting the bureau to sell uh 1999
red bricks to frier ex frier right

411
00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:09,760
excavating at a cost of uh $1999.
>> So moved.

412
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:14,480
» Okay, Miss Bountick.
>> Second,

413
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:20,000
» Mr. Marks. Any questions or discussion?
>> Yeah. Uh, who's Frier Wright Excavating?

414
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:23,360
Uh they're a company that reached out to
to purchase bricks. I don't know them

415
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,880
personally,
>> but are they they're doing work in

416
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:30,080
Ingram, which is why Steve Yeah. So
these are for Ingram then?

417
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:32,720
» These bricks are going to Ingram?
>> I'm actually not even 100% sure.

418
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,320
» Oh, okay. Sorry.
>> Because it's it sounded to me it sounds

419
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,039
like you just Steve.
>> He's the one who gave it to It's

420
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:43,120
possible that they're going to Ingram,
but I I didn't even ask.

421
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:46,240
» He had asked to do this and so I put it
on the agenda.

422
00:31:44,159 --> 00:31:49,600
» Okay. So we don't we don't know like I
mean last time we knew they're going to

423
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:53,360
cargi we're kind of softened by the fact
that we're going to share them with

424
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:58,480
another burrow. Um but we don't know
where these bricks are going to

425
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:03,279
» um the other thing is um do you know
what the process is for what the process

426
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,000
will be for getting the bricks? Um will
they be

427
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:10,720
» they'll go down and pick them up?
>> They'll go pick them up one at a time. Y

428
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,840
» uh so um
>> last time they were down there when Dave

429
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,760
was down there and Dave helped them.
>> Yeah. So what what I'm what I'm

430
00:32:15,919 --> 00:32:21,760
concerned about is picking up a brick,
looking at it, throwing it aside, taking

431
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:26,880
the good one, throwing another one back
or further in the pile and it leaves our

432
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:30,720
leaves us with a bunch of of broken up
bricks wherever they toss them and

433
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:34,640
they've taken good bricks. Um I'd like
to I'd like to really know what that

434
00:32:32,399 --> 00:32:39,120
process is that they're going to use to
to get bricks. That's I think it's

435
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:43,360
basically exactly what you just said is
the process. We do have to go through we

436
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,559
do have to spend time going through the
bricks and that's on the list of things

437
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:49,840
for public works to do. Right.
>> Um but we have not done that yet. So

438
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,480
yeah, that's essentially the process is
they're going to go through and look

439
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:57,120
they'll sort through them themselves,
find 2,000 good bricks and take

440
00:32:54,799 --> 00:33:01,360
» Okay. All right. So that process to me
that process is a little bit like taking

441
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,799
the you know taking the good bricks
throwing the other ones back in the pile

442
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:06,880
and just getting them all mixed up for
what

443
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:13,519
» well they're already all mixed up so
>> so um so

444
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:19,200
» well um and also uh the dollar the price
a dollar a brick um is that a is that a

445
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,240
like I mean a where did that value come
from?

446
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:26,880
» Um that's what we suggested last time
and that's what we've been going with.

447
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,279
No, there's no Yeah,
>> because a new brick is about $2 a brick,

448
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:34,000
right?
>> No, new bricks are like Well, new bricks

449
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,919
are difficult. They're depends on what
kind of brick you get. You know, I don't

450
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,960
know the comparison to to brand new
bricks. Brand new bricks are actually

451
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:45,120
tend to be cheaper,
>> but they're also not as high quality.

452
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:48,080
So, you know, I don't I don't know what
a exact comparison is. That's what we

453
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:53,360
sold them for last time. So, that's what
I was putting them on here for this

454
00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:56,960
time. I didn't do any
serious, you know, investigation around

455
00:33:55,919 --> 00:34:04,640
this.
>> Well, I myself have a hard time saying

456
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:08,079
uh uh yay to this due to the fact that
uh we really don't know who far our

457
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,560
right is. We don't know where the bricks
are going. We don't know if they're

458
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,159
going to go to someone's personal
driveway, if they're going to go to

459
00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:17,280
another municipality. Um
>> I'm fairly certain they are going to

460
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:24,000
road work. I just in
>> Well, we don't know that. And uh and we

461
00:34:19,839 --> 00:34:27,200
also, you know, I I we don't know how
the process is going to be. Is the

462
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:31,919
process going to cause us more work,
less work? Um it those are just

463
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:38,159
questions that I would it would be nice
if they if we had answers to um before

464
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:43,599
we would before we would uh go ahead
with allowing this to proceed. Maybe we

465
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:47,599
could get some of those answers uh
first.

466
00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:51,919
» Okay. Miss Compella,
>> we have 14,000 red bricks in our

467
00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:54,560
stockpile. Are is that true that they're
red bricks or is that just 14,000

468
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:59,599
bricks?
>> 14,000. That's an assessment based on

469
00:34:56,399 --> 00:35:05,040
Dave's, you know, general uh look at it.
He assumes we have about 14,000 just red

470
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:09,760
bricks. We have about 3,000 yellow
bricks. Um now again, all of these need

471
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:16,160
to be gone through. They they've dumped
about four or five triacles down there

472
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:21,440
from the projects. However, um they did
not do any prep work dumping those down

473
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:25,359
there. And so, um and the way they
remove them, most likely half of them

474
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:29,200
are damaged. Um so there's a good
there's a there's a good bit of work

475
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:32,480
that needs to go into um you know,
re-evaluating

476
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:36,960
how many are good and how many are not.
I don't have any assessment on that.

477
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:42,880
» So, it's likely that you know 14,000 or
so estimate in our in our stockpile may

478
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:46,160
be more like
7,000. No, that's that's his assessment

479
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,520
of good bricks.
>> Yeah, that's his assessment of what are

480
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:52,000
good bricks. There's probably 20 or
25,000

481
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,839
» bricks down there.
>> I mean, I'm looking at the meeting notes

482
00:35:53,280 --> 00:36:03,119
from the April 10, 2025 meeting whenever
you the vote happened for the sale to a

483
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:07,040
salante as the when engineer Keenan was
here, he said that the brick when they

484
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:10,320
when Cente went down there, they
assessed that there'd be there was about

485
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:11,839
30 to 50,000 bricks down there at the
time.

486
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:15,599
» Right. And this is what I'm saying.
That's why I'm saying there's probably

487
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:20,000
14,000 good bricks. There's a lot of
there's a lot that needs to be gone

488
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,400
through down there, but we don't have we
don't have knowledge of exactly how many

489
00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:26,720
are down there.
>> Yeah, it doesn't seem like a priority.

490
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:34,800
And I say that in the best way to
>> sort quality of brick. It's like on one

491
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:38,720
hand like sitting on 50,000 bricks with
no reasonable idea on how many are good

492
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:43,520
or bad is not doing anybody any favors
where you just have a pile of rocks. And

493
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:48,720
it does also seems that as we've been
doing brick street repairs, it's not

494
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:52,720
like things have been going in place uh
in the way people have been asking uh

495
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:58,800
aka the colors and some of the other
stuff. So, I just Yeah, I I'm not sure

496
00:36:55,599 --> 00:37:02,240
that on one hand, uh, if they find 2,000
good bricks in there to sell, like,

497
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:07,119
cool. It doesn't sound like we were
deploying them anyways. I'm not saying

498
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:12,160
that's right or wrong. Um, you know,
maybe we could take some time and sort

499
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:16,560
them and turn them into an asset that we
can have handy for repairs and putting

500
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:22,079
things back in place. Um, on the other
hand, like selling 2,000 bricks may be

501
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:26,720
the maybe half of the good bricks or
more for all we know. Um, and we may

502
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:30,480
have none left after. So,
>> and remember there's a storage. We're

503
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:35,040
storing them on our property. So,
they're sitting there on the property

504
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:40,079
right now and this is an opportunity to
move 2,000 out because otherwise we're

505
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:44,079
going to have to go through more. I I
mean

506
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:48,640
otherwise we can hold them for another
hundred years.

507
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:52,320
» So um perhaps part of it you can instead
of as Greg was worried about throwing

508
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:56,000
them back on the pile that the ones that
aren't any good get to start another

509
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,839
pile so they do a little bit of the
sorting work for us.

510
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,640
» Yeah,
>> we can definitely ask them to do that.

511
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:05,280
» It's not a bad idea.
>> Ask require.

512
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,359
» We can Yeah, I I can I can require that
they do that.

513
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,480
» If it's broken, don't throw it back in
the pile. Well, if you break it, you buy

514
00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:14,400
it.
>> Isn't that a general guarantee?

515
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,240
» Yeah. I don't know if that's I mean, if
you pick it up, have you broken it? I

516
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,440
don't know.
>> No, it's No, I'm talking if they toss it

517
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,480
and it breaks. Oh, yeah. Not if you pick
it up and it's broken. That

518
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,839
» have them make sure they put it in a
certain area so that we can bring a high

519
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,680
lift in there and just get rid of all
the broken ones for clean fill or

520
00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:29,200
something.
>> Yeah, I can definitely require that they

521
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:35,280
do.
>> I mean, we could try to scan a couple

522
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:39,520
couple uh caps.
I personally have no problem selling

523
00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:44,000
2,000 bricks. We have for if we have
even 10,000 red good bricks. We have no

524
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:48,240
plan for them. They've been sitting
there forever. I really don't personally

525
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:52,400
don't care if it's going to Ingram. If
it's going to someone's personal

526
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:56,079
driveway, I don't care if someone wants
to buy them, if someone wants to use

527
00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:00,800
them. We have them sitting in a pile.
They've been there for how long? So,

528
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:06,320
personally, I don't care. I I say sell
them the bricks and say thank you.

529
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:09,280
Do we know how many red brick roads we
have? I mean, like

530
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,599
» we have four miles of brick roads. I
don't know how many are red

531
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,520
» because I was going to say what what
what is our future needs potentially?

532
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:20,320
» I don't know.
>> So,

533
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:23,760
» all right. Um, we have a motion on the
table. Um, all in favor

534
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:26,480
» I
>> opposed. No.

535
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,640
» No.
>> No.

536
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:33,359
» So, motion passes.
>> Oh, no. Who were those? Marks. Marks

537
00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:35,280
Waznjak. And who?
>> Kirsten. Did you say no?

538
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,359
» Oh, you said no.
>> Yeah. So, it was three and three.

539
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:41,760
» Four and three.
>> Oh, four and three. I'm sorry.

540
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:47,800
» Four and three. Yeah.
>> All right.

541
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:47,800
» Mayor was getting excited for a second.

542
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:54,720
» I just wanted to make sure that it
didn't like it.

543
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:59,920
» We'd be having another meeting.
>> All right. The next item on my agenda,

544
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:03,839
uh the uh minimum municipal pension
obligation. Um this is the deposit that

545
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:11,760
we have to make in retirement accounts
every year. Um the requirement for the

546
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:17,280
2027 police pension fund is $155,000.
Uh $155,392.

547
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:22,400
Um for the non-uniform pension fund,
it's $100,583.

548
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:28,800
Um, so with that, I'd like a motion to
approve resolution 2026-14

549
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:37,599
adopting the 2027 minimum municipal
pension obligation amount of 155,392

550
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:42,720
for the police pension fund and $100,583
into the non-uniform pension fund. And

551
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:47,359
these are included in the budget, just
so you know. Um, uh, they're already

552
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,640
baked into the budget.
>> So moved.

553
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:55,160
» Second,
>> Mr. Ho. Second, Miss Compello. Any

554
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,160
questions or discussion?

555
00:40:56,079 --> 00:41:00,720
Hearing none. All in favor?
>> I

556
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:05,760
» opposed.
Motion passes.

557
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:09,119
» And uh that uh other than just the
budget schedule, the budget workshop

558
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:13,359
schedule. We did have a budget workshop
today starting at 6 p.m. Um and we will

559
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:15,680
continue to have them through the rest
of the year.

560
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,839
» All right.
>> And that's all my updates. Thanks.

561
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:25,119
engineers report. Mr. Baker.
>> All right. Thank you. So, the Broadhead

562
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:30,800
Sewer Separation Project um over the
past couple weeks um they have been

563
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:38,960
performing the bottle wearing course
paving um on Park Velvetier Rebecca

564
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:46,640
um portion of Broadhead from Krenell
down to Rebecca. Um

565
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:53,359
North Emily uh milled have binder in
place. Um they're going to do one last

566
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:56,960
trip back hopefully in a few weeks to
finish out the rest of the paving um

567
00:41:55,359 --> 00:42:03,839
because they still need to install curb
on North Emily from Coulter to Park. So

568
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:13,359
it's to begin next week. Um we did start
a punch list um have half of the project

569
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:18,079
walkth through um issued that initial or
say partial punch list to the

570
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:22,800
contractor. Um it's a pretty significant
list. So um we're going to work on

571
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:30,000
getting the rest of that finished here
um within the next week.

572
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:34,400
» Can I can I ask a question? I did see um
in the last day or so an email from

573
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:36,800
Brian Vertz.
>> Yes. And we got that yesterday

574
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:41,760
afternoon. Yep.
>> Okay. Has anyone addressed

575
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,560
» No, I was planning we had to uh talk
today. I was working on the budget stuff

576
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:48,319
today. I meant to email him earlier
today. I did not have a chance to do

577
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:52,400
that. So, um, we are planning to meet
with him. Um, but I have not contacted

578
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,359
him yet. So, that's on me.
>> Okay.

579
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:56,920
» Yep. Thank you.
>> Yep.

580
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,920
» Yep.

581
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:05,520
» Any other questions?
>> Okay. The Pine Street sewer project. Um,

582
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:12,160
we are currently out to bid. Um,
mandatory free bid September 15th on

583
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:18,560
Tuesday. Um, open bids on October 15th.
Um we have made a provision um in the

584
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:26,560
contract that contractors need to use
Rushway and alley A um to access to keep

585
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:33,200
the construction traffic off of um Bar
and uh Clear View. Um so we do have

586
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:39,119
that. They would likely be posting no
parking signs in those so they can have

587
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:44,280
full clear access to get their trucks
and everything through there. So we did

588
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,280
make that provision.

589
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:53,839
Um the 2026 graft and sewer system
repairs uh on and m they have completed

590
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:58,079
all the lining work that is done. They
are working on our the punch list that

591
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:06,560
we had initially sent them to get stuff
cleaned up in RETV. So um they're

592
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:11,440
working through that now. Um so and M is
essentially done. Great punch list.

593
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:18,319
Great.
Noble Lynwood Park. Uh I know the last

594
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:24,400
time uh last meeting we discussed uh
cost, the design, the alternates. Um

595
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:31,920
and we discussed the midblock crossing.
Um so do have uh talk with our traffic

596
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:38,480
folks. So, for the midblock crossing,
um, you would need 40 people per hour

597
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:46,319
and
no crosswalks at an intersection within

598
00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:52,160
300 ft. So, you have 250 approximately
in one direction and 160 in the other.

599
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:59,119
Um, so
we could still even if you did the study

600
00:44:55,119 --> 00:45:04,960
and you get the 40 people in an hour and
you submit it to Pendot, they can still

601
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:10,400
shut it down because you have crosswalks
at adjacent intersections. Um, and then

602
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:16,640
I know we talked about potentially
moving it up to Sydney. Um, our

603
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:23,040
recommendation would be to not install
that at Sydney because that is a sharp

604
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:26,400
curve. Um, and kind of sight line type
thing. There are utility poles there. I

605
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:31,839
mean, we can review that and check it,
but I think as far as us, Gateway does

606
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:36,520
not recommend
installing that at the at the vend.

607
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:47,200
And we do have a little more work to do.
um uh with we have to work on getting uh

608
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:50,880
um the at the the administrative office
has to work on getting uh doing the

609
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:55,280
co-star orders before we can go out to
bid on that finally. So

610
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:59,760
» So is the um
upshot of that that it's not likely that

611
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:04,800
we're going to get that crosswalk.
>> We're not getting that crosswalk on.

612
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:09,839
» Yeah, we advised to just let it go and
to uh to not let to basically not

613
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:14,000
repaint it. Um,
>> does that mean I remember see the design

614
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:16,319
that we had for it? Does that will we
see a revised? I'm just curious. I feel

615
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:21,599
like
>> Yeah, there is some cost savings because

616
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:26,000
there's two uh large concrete slabs.
>> I remember it felt like very intentional

617
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:29,920
about the ADA point of that. So, just
curious on what that revision might look

618
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:31,359
like and save those costs.
>> Yeah, we can bring it back to the next

619
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,680
meeting.
>> Okay. Just curious.

620
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,800
» I can go over it if you're not going to
be here. Yeah.

621
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:42,160
» Okay. So, this will fall outside of the
bounds of that particular project, but

622
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:48,480
since we're not able to keep and upgrade
that midblock crossing, um let's add to

623
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,920
the infrastructure committee meeting the
next one where we can improve the

624
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:55,880
existing crosswalks at the next
intersections.

625
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,880
» Okay.

626
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:13,920
Okay. Um,
people's gas line replacement that's

627
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:20,400
discussed um ongoing um slow moving.
They did get approved um from 8 to 4

628
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:27,280
Monday through Friday. Um as they get
down closer towards um Duncan and

629
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:31,839
towards the Thornberg Bridge, detours
will get posted. So, um, get through.

630
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:39,440
We'll double check that, make sure that
they are getting their detours posted.

631
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:42,880
» Weren't we talking about uh the traffic
on Duncan and how we were going to

632
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:47,520
handle that?
>> Um, how so?

633
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:52,720
» Because I thought we we got feedback
from folks uh given, you know, Duncan

634
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,480
coming off of Stuben's one way, Duncan
coming.

635
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,040
» We've already Oh, we already changed
that. Okay. Yeah, that was cool. Weeks

636
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,920
ago. Yep.
>> Yeah.

637
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:06,079
Cool.
>> All right, that was my question.

638
00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:11,200
» Um, the Craftton Boulevard improvements,
the LSA grants. Um,

639
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:15,040
no real update with that one.
>> Yeah, no real update with the next two

640
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:20,000
at all.
>> Um,

641
00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:24,400
yeah, the the Craftton Elementary
streetscaping project. Um,

642
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:29,040
currently working on getting those items
separated out what's in the city. So

643
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:32,720
just kind of want to review I think
review that with the infrastructure

644
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:38,559
committee um before we finalize that to
make sure that moving forward in the

645
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:42,800
direction that was proposed. It's been
quite a few years. So

646
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:46,400
» can we just also clarify since there's
not detail on it. Item F that you just

647
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:51,920
mentioned, the Captain Boulevard
improvements LSA grant. Um the extension

648
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:56,319
that was approved, that was funding from
several years back that was in part of

649
00:48:54,640 --> 00:49:02,720
the project that did the streetscape
further up Craftton Boulevard and there

650
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:06,800
was some funding left for um some
landscaping and some and some work, some

651
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:09,520
lighting that we were able to do with
other funding. So there there was some

652
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:15,200
funding left and it's not a large
amount. And because we're now into item

653
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:18,559
G also with Craftton
larger new funding for the Craftton

654
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:25,040
Elementary Boulevard streetscaping
project, that remaining funding for um

655
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:30,640
some landscaping improvements listed in
item F that extension was improve was

656
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:34,960
approved so that we can bundle both
efforts together and do something

657
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:38,480
consistent.
>> It Yeah, it's really not getting bundled

658
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,559
together. We're basically doing adding
the four

659
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:44,640
» planning it together.
>> Yeah, we're adding the four lights. I

660
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:48,160
don't know that we're really planning it
together either, just so I just want to

661
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:52,000
be clear. We're basically adding the
four lights.

662
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:55,599
» We're adding the EV charger in the uh in
the school parking lot and then the

663
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,400
trees that were required up further. And
that's really it.

664
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:02,160
» That's what's getting done with that.
There's no planning with the other

665
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:04,240
project.
I mean, it's

666
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:09,200
» we were trying to make sure that they
that they were not going to

667
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:12,480
» inconsistencies, but I I just wanted to
clarify because they're both they're

668
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:16,000
called Craft and Boulevard and one just
says nothing happening and the other I

669
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:19,040
just wanted to clarify what the
difference is between the two.

670
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:26,000
» Okay. Yep. Yep. Yep.
>> So, I have one question. We during the

671
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:29,520
uh um Delusio um uh check presentation,
there was a little bit of of asking

672
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:35,280
about like when shovels would be in the
ground for this. And I and I think uh

673
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:41,040
one politician didn't know and other
people it was it was a mixup. So do we

674
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:43,440
have do we have a any idea of what the
shovels in? Okay.

675
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:48,079
» We don't and there's a there's a good
reason for that. So this is a community

676
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:50,480
project funding. This is basically um
these are basically congressional

677
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:53,280
earmarks.
>> Okay.

678
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:56,720
» Um and so the first thing that has to
happen is they have to give the guidance

679
00:50:54,880 --> 00:51:01,599
to the state. They've now given the
guidance to the state and basically

680
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:05,760
depending on what department it relates
to in this case it depart relates to DOT

681
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:09,920
department of transportation at the
state I mean at the federal level they

682
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:14,240
gave it to PENDOT PennDOT said they
didn't have the capacity to deal with it

683
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:18,960
so they're going out to request to get a
uh to get a um a consultant who's going

684
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,119
to manage the program and as far as I
know they don't have one yet. Do you

685
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:24,319
know different yet?
>> I do not know any different.

686
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:29,280
» Yeah. Yep. And so we're basically
waiting on the state to act to basically

687
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:33,520
make to basically set up the program so
that we can get our money. Um and and we

688
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:37,040
don't get our money first either. We
basically just get a contract first and

689
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:41,520
that allows us to go out and do the work
and then come back and get our money. Um

690
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:46,079
but um so we don't we're just kind of in
limbo waiting for them. And uh we were

691
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:53,520
awarded this money in like February of
25 or March of 25. I mean 26. Was it

692
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:56,079
this year? early this year. Sorry, I
thought it was last year. It feels like

693
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:59,200
a long time.
>> I thought it was last year,

694
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:03,119
» but um so we don't we
>> so we don't know sho so like and I'm

695
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:06,720
just trying to think about what we
talked about in front of the school. We

696
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:12,480
weren't sure about shovels in the ground
in 27 or 28 in was really not sure. No,

697
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:16,319
because we still don't because until
that gets until that happens, we don't

698
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:21,520
have any knowledge of when what the
requirements will be

699
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:26,240
» and federal grants depending on
>> the last CPF grant we had did not go

700
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:29,440
through any state agencies and we had to
go directly through the federal

701
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:33,599
government and going directly through
the federal government is incredibly

702
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:37,920
difficult. the levels of of because they
typically do very large grants in the

703
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:41,920
millions of dollars, multi, you know,
hundred, you know, tens and tens of

704
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:46,400
millions, hundreds of millions. Um, so
their process is very extensive um to

705
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:51,440
make sure that nobody is taking
advantage of anything. Um, so it's I'm

706
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:55,280
glad they're not going through the
federal government directly, but I don't

707
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:59,520
know how the state is going to set it
up. So we're really kind of in limbo

708
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:02,800
until they set it up. And so we
initially thought we were going to be

709
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:06,960
able to go out next year. So we probably
initially told people 27 and then as

710
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,520
things kept getting pushed back, we
didn't have any information. Now we just

711
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:14,400
we don't know.
>> Yeah. Because we still have to do final

712
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:18,880
design plans. Um all that needs done,
solicit bids and but we don't want to

713
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:22,720
start any final design until we have a
contract. So I I think that's where

714
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:27,760
we're we're at. Once we get assigned
contracts, then we can move forward with

715
00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:31,440
final design because we also gonna have
to go through the city of Pittsburgh as

716
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,200
well. So, there's permitting that has to
go,

717
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:36,960
» right? There's three there's also three
agencies involved. So, in top of it, so

718
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,480
it already exposes it down even more
because you have three bodies that are

719
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:44,960
working on it, the school district, us
and the burough school.

720
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:49,839
So, I mean, it's pretty confident. You
can pretty confidently say it's not

721
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:53,520
likely that shovels hit dirt next year
and it could be two or three or four

722
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,079
years out.
>> I would say it's most likely 28, but I

723
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,040
don't want to,
>> right? But I'm saying we can pretty

724
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:02,880
confidently say
>> not 27,

725
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:07,839
» probably not in 27. There'll be all
kinds of other conversations and things

726
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:10,559
going on, but it won't be shovels on the
ground. And I'm guessing the school

727
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:13,520
district would ideally like to do it
when school's not in session.

728
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,079
» Yeah, that's that's what um
>> right. So

729
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:19,599
» that's what they said that day.
>> Yeah. So you have a limited a more

730
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:23,839
limited now you're narrowing it down to
a three-month period. So

731
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:28,160
» So my kids will be in high school by the
time.

732
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:34,880
» Yeah, they might. Yeah, one of them
might be the engineer doing the

733
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:38,240
» You never know. It was always on.
>> My daughter is in sixth grade and I

734
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:42,720
asked for this starting
>> too late for her

735
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:48,559
» back in first grade.
>> Too late for her.

736
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:53,359
» All right. Um the So the brick street
repairs um the work is complete. The

737
00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:57,119
change order was accepted. So we've been
waiting until broadhead gets cleaned up

738
00:54:55,359 --> 00:55:01,839
before we get him back out there to to
finish. So we're still looking at

739
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:06,480
October. No change there.
um road paving. Um

740
00:55:04,319 --> 00:55:12,000
» so that's for the Cornell repairs. Yes.
The three four repairs on Cornel.

741
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:16,559
» Yes. And it's the brick uh street repair
contractor Angelo Cente who's performing

742
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:21,280
that work. And keep in mind that is not
the brick work that is touched in the

743
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:24,960
trench. That is still the responsibility
of the original contractor to do that.

744
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:27,839
This is just the stuff that's outside of
the trench repair

745
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,839
» that we talked about the last meeting.
Three items.

746
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:36,240
» Yeah.
um road paving. Um the fountain and

747
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:41,599
Lynwood Park Alley. Um Alex Paris was
the base bid that was accepted. Um

748
00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:48,400
preparing the schedule. Contracts were
signed. Um got those executed. Uh trying

749
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:54,240
to set up the precon next week. Uh which
we should get an idea of when they would

750
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:58,720
be out here to to do that those two
streets.

751
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:05,440
Um,
and we have covered the the paving on

752
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:09,359
Broadhead earlier. Um, and street per
permits received. Jim, have you received

753
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:16,160
any?
>> Um, no, I have not received any.

754
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:19,760
» That's all I have.
>> All right. Thank you, Mr. Baker.

755
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:24,319
Community and Economic Development
Director's Report. Mr. Price.

756
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:28,400
» Um, no update on 82 Belvadier at this
time. Hopefully I will have a solid

757
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:34,480
update next time. Um, so nothing to
update there. Um, I don't have an update

758
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:36,319
on the Trico Land Bank property. Um,
unless you want to update anything,

759
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:43,760
Craig?
>> Yeah, I uh, as promised um, I did a a

760
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:48,319
uh, study um, on those four properties
and uh, I pretty did a pretty deep dive.

761
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:52,880
I shared it with everybody. I I don't
know if you all got a chance to to look

762
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:59,040
at it or not. U, you can shake your head
yes or no. Right. But anyway, um I

763
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:04,640
looked through um in a lot of detail.
I've been working on this for a while.

764
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:09,680
Um um kind of like it hit hit the road
running uh after the last meeting when I

765
00:57:06,799 --> 00:57:16,880
promised I were going to do it. So uh I
did it. I shared it with everybody. Um

766
00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:21,839
the what I'm finding in the study and
hopefully uh you guys had a chance to

767
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:26,640
read it. Um it is looking it is looking
like you know we looked at we looked at

768
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:31,680
all it the study looks at you know
mainly three possibilities and and down

769
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:37,119
to really two and it's con uh
servtorship versus a tripod land bank

770
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:42,480
and it's not it's not saying do one or
the other but what it does is that it

771
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:48,400
does introduce a whole new concept of a
conservatorship being split duty that

772
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:54,400
the pharaoh is the petitioner and then
we get a conserv conservator to handle

773
00:57:51,359 --> 00:58:03,440
the um the conservatorship part of it
which is which is the heavy lifting part

774
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:11,839
of burrow personnel. Um so it in doing
that in looking in going through uh the

775
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:18,160
analysis um that I did and um that it it
it appears that we if we would go that

776
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:25,280
route we could still be able to keep
burrow staff time low. Um

777
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:28,720
uh there are risk. It's all in the
report what the risks are and things

778
00:58:26,799 --> 00:58:32,799
like that. I mean I didn't skip over any
of that stuff. I addressed all that

779
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:39,520
stuff. It's all in the it's all in this
report. Um but it does but it does look

780
00:58:36,319 --> 00:58:45,839
like that, you know, with that um shared
responsibility of uh uh petitioner and

781
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:54,799
conservatorship that um we could greatly
reduce the amount of burough staff time

782
00:58:49,280 --> 00:59:03,359
that would be required. Um so um with
all that um I shared it with everybody.

783
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:09,040
I was um I I think that the it it it
brings to light a lot a lot of different

784
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:15,119
things that we did we did not discuss
early on or we did not have total good

785
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:21,440
information on early on. I had Steve go
out and get brand new uh numbers as far

786
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:27,599
as back taxes and stuff like that. So
with that, I would like to I would like

787
00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:32,799
to uh make a motion that um because we
are up against the or maybe I should

788
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:41,200
talk to Steve first that we upper we're
up against um a timeline a time uh

789
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:47,520
deadline now of September 22nd which is
prior to the next meeting which would

790
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:53,200
mean that if we were going to take any
kind of an action that we wouldn't have

791
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:58,880
a meeting in between that timeline to
take any kind of an action. So, uh I

792
00:59:56,079 --> 01:00:07,280
would like to make a motion that we that
we uh ask for an extension to this uh uh

793
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:13,280
objection deadline. uh asked for like a
90-day extension to that so that we

794
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:20,559
would have uh more time as a burrow
council to do our due diligence and to

795
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:30,480
um go through these other processes that
are being recommended and um have uh

796
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:37,760
more concrete uh numbers um than um what
we were that we had before before this

797
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:41,680
um petition. So with that, I don't know
if I how is that did I do that motion

798
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:46,559
correctly or
>> Well, it's it's it because it's not on

799
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:50,400
the agenda, you have to make a motion to
amend the agenda to add that motion.

800
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:54,240
» Oh, okay.
>> That would be the first hurdle. Second

801
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:59,680
hurdle is the actual motion itself.
>> Okay. So, I'd like to make a motion to

802
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:09,599
» amend
>> amend the agenda to add a motion. Yes.

803
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:11,040
» Referring to the Tricot Land Bank.
>> So move

804
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:16,640
» deadline.
>> Yep. Second.

805
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:21,520
» Okay. So Kirsten and um Justin, any
discussion or questions?

806
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:24,880
» So Greg, what's the out
we haven't done anything through the

807
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:28,000
Triog land bank yet?
>> No.

808
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:32,480
And
I think it's important that we do at

809
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:38,720
least
one of the uh less promising

810
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:43,040
South Gra 64 South Graan View as an
example um properties that we don't

811
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:46,319
think the burrow could take on right
because of the extent of the damage.

812
01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:50,160
» We're not motioning
>> to have the agenda and the agenda.

813
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,799
» We can still talk about
>> you're allowed you're allowed to talk

814
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:56,160
now that the motions have been made.
Okay. So, first and second for sure.

815
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,960
Okay.
>> Yeah. We're not we're not voting on the

816
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:04,480
motion to motion to delay things. We're
just talking about the possibility of

817
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:08,799
adding it to the agenda.
>> We haven't made a motion yet to request

818
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,079
the extension. Correct. We just made the
motion

819
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,240
» to amend the
>> to amend the agenda.

820
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,119
» So, I guess you really should be
discussing the amending of the agenda.

821
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:18,319
So, if you want to approve if you guys
want to approve amending the agenda,

822
01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:20,640
» we haven't voted on amending the agenda
yet.

823
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:24,400
» Yeah. So we could finalize that vote and
then discuss the next step.

824
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:27,200
» We can discuss before the vote
>> the agenda. We have a conversation on

825
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,559
why we don't want to amend the agenda.
>> This is related. I would like to

826
01:02:28,799 --> 01:02:34,960
understand why we're amending the
agenda. I just want to know what the

827
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:42,240
intent is. I'm okay with extending
things, but we we can re-evaluate.

828
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:46,000
I'll be honest, Greg, 39 pages is
killing me. I read the executive review.

829
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:49,280
I did that and I maybe I looked at the
second the table afterwards where you

830
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:54,559
compared some results and stuff and
that's all good and fine. Um and I saw

831
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:59,760
Jim's reply with some of you know his
context here. I just want to know what

832
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:03,119
the hope is like if we extend this
so that we have another meet to where

833
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:07,839
we'll vote on this the next meeting.
Yeah. um is the hope

834
01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:12,720
» I would like to add I would like to add
one thing into this um and that is I did

835
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:18,720
have a conversation with Mora Burgess
today about 11 Fountain Street um and I

836
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:23,039
think that is a better test case if
we're going to use this split process I

837
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:26,160
would again recommend that we allow all
four of these properties to go through

838
01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:31,280
the land bank to see how that process
works out for the bureau and that we use

839
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:34,799
11 Fountain Street as a test case and
other test case for the conservatorship

840
01:03:33,359 --> 01:03:38,720
because we have still not even gotten
through one test case with

841
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:44,160
conservatorship because of challenges
that were met and it, you know, maybe

842
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:49,920
wasn't done the best way. Um, and so,
you know, we're still learning. So, I I

843
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:54,079
do I I don't want to, you know, as the
person who has to manage the process,

844
01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:57,359
take on two or three of these at this
time. Um, even just even if we're only

845
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:00,480
partnering with somebody because we
still have to manage that process. I

846
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:04,240
just don't think we're prepared for
that. um especially with three new

847
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:08,960
employees coming on, none of who have
done conservatorships. Um and so I think

848
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:12,559
we're still in a learning process at
this point. Um but that's my

849
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:16,400
recommendation.
>> So I have a since we're apparently

850
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:19,280
discussing the whole thing now and not
just the amendment to the motion,

851
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:23,760
amendment to the agenda. Um
>> is that right? Presumably,

852
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:29,440
» I mean technically we should focus on
the amending and the amended underlying

853
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:34,319
issue, but I understand why
>> someone would want to understand the

854
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:38,160
purpose of the amending. So,
>> um it's really up to the chair to decide

855
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:42,640
if you want to continue.
>> Yeah, then we can continue on that leg.

856
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:46,720
» Because of that, it's in his hands and
he said you can continue.

857
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:52,400
I I I don't mind proceeding to the vote
on the first part either, but um yeah,

858
01:04:49,920 --> 01:05:02,480
presumably as we move on to the reason
why we might be amending the agenda,

859
01:04:55,440 --> 01:05:07,119
» um we can if we request an extension
that

860
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:12,319
puts the decision in their hands to
either agree or not agree, but just

861
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:16,640
simply making the request does not
invalidate anything for

862
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:20,079
Does it invalidate something for them?
Can they just say, "You know what?

863
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:25,200
Forget it. This isn't worth it."
>> I have no I mean I don't without

864
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:28,720
question. Is there a risk to simply
asking if they're okay giving an

865
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:34,400
extension? Is there anything worse that
can happen than they say no?

866
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:37,839
» They could they decide not to take the
properties and then in which case we're

867
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:42,000
back to four properties that are
blighted that we have no plan for. Now

868
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:45,760
» I I think I don't think there's a risk
of that. I think the only the only

869
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:48,720
possible risk might be if they budgeted
something in this year and they're

870
01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:52,960
expecting it to be happening in this
year. I have but I don't have I don't

871
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:58,079
have any knowledge of that. I don't I
wouldn't anticipate that they would be

872
01:05:55,200 --> 01:06:03,760
» um you know ret
I wouldn't anticipate that but I don't

873
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:07,280
» Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know you know
>> maybe they are I have no idea but I

874
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:11,920
don't I wouldn't anticipate that.
>> Yeah. and and and and and the study

875
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:15,760
doesn't show that, you know, get rid of
all it. It's just like look at them and

876
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:21,520
say maybe maybe one works better this
way, one works better the other way. And

877
01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:26,880
and and it's the extension is just the
>> the the

878
01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:32,079
ask to be able to give this a little bit
of a deeper dive of of what we came up

879
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:35,839
with here. and just if they will give us
an extension just to say, "Hey, listen,

880
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:41,280
let let us do a little bit of more
in-depth re review of this that we

881
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:45,520
didn't have an opportunity to do until
now."

882
01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:52,319
» This might be something um we don't have
the answer to. If we ask and they say

883
01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:55,760
no, does that mean kind of feels all
gray and confusing right now in my

884
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:58,720
brain. At the next meeting, we have to
make a decision. No,

885
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:02,400
» we've already you have to make a
decision. The decision was made already.

886
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,319
» Yes, I remember.
>> Yeah,

887
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,920
» but isn't it that that's we had this
timeline to review the

888
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:10,079
» Yes,
>> it's for basically to file your concerns

889
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:14,720
or to register your
>> concern. Yeah, because the letter says

890
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:19,200
within 60 days of this notice, we would
have to notify the land bank in writing,

891
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:23,839
if we object to the acquisition by a
super supermajority vote, the land bank

892
01:07:21,839 --> 01:07:30,160
shall not acquire central property,
>> right? Which is six votes of not

893
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:34,720
acquiring. But that that ends before our
next council vote. So we've already

894
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:38,880
» taken the decision to proceed. If we
choose to with if we choose to back off

895
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:42,640
and say that we want to take any of
these out of consideration, right, we

896
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:46,640
would have to do that
>> by the deadline which is before our next

897
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:50,799
council.
>> So So back to the question I guess I had

898
01:07:48,319 --> 01:07:54,640
for Greg. Of the four properties we have
on here, which ones are we thinking

899
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:58,559
we'll challenge? I think I think
>> all of them because we want to delay and

900
01:07:56,799 --> 01:08:02,559
evaluate with the framework or is there
one you had specifically in mind?

901
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:06,000
» No, no, I I think we should discuss
that. I think we did we did our due

902
01:08:04,319 --> 01:08:11,200
diligence now. We got a lot of the
information. I think now we we don't

903
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:14,480
we're not asking to remove any of these
from the land bank. We're just asking

904
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:21,759
the land bank for give us a little bit
more time to look at it so that we can

905
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:28,159
do do our due diligence as a as a burrow
council and say hey you know it our due

906
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:33,199
diligence may be hey all we want to
stick all four with the land bank but

907
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:38,400
but right now we had nothing to go on
until we finished some sort of a some

908
01:08:35,759 --> 01:08:44,239
sort of a due diligence report.
So, uh, we didn't even know what the

909
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:51,279
back taxes were up until last week or
the week up until Steve got them for us.

910
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:57,120
I mean, so, so now we know what the back
taxes are. Now, we know what what we're

911
01:08:54,239 --> 01:09:01,040
what the back taxes are that we would be
relinquishing if we went with the land

912
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:05,520
bank. And it might be a good thing. It
might be say we might say that yeah it's

913
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:11,600
worth doing that because this property
is such a risky property or it's not.

914
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:17,600
The situation is that we did not do that
due diligence yet and now and we and we

915
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:22,159
we got into a time crunch and now we're
just asking the land bank to say, "Hey,

916
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:27,839
could you give us another 90 days and
not hold our feet to the fire on this on

917
01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:32,480
this on this um
on your letter?" And that's all we're

918
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:35,040
asking. We're just asking for another 90
days to do a little bit of due

919
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:38,319
diligence. They might come back to say
no.

920
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:43,279
» They might be legally required to, but
the way that that says a super majority,

921
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:46,400
» um, that's probably in state law. Oh,
that's in their bylaws, not state law.

922
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:48,560
» I would think it would be in their
bylaw.

923
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:52,560
» Okay. Okay.
>> So, a little bit of the history, too.

924
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:54,640
» It's also there to to make it more
difficult to sort of

925
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,960
» pull out.
>> Yeah. After you've already submitted,

926
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,600
» right?
>> Yeah.

927
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:03,360
» Yes. because this is because they've
already done a lot of research on this,

928
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:07,920
» right? So,
>> they've had a cost. So, so I think a

929
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:11,840
history is good to hear because we've
got close to 30 properties that are

930
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:16,159
bladed or in
>> No, more like 20 probably 20 and there's

931
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:19,600
probably only 10 that are 10 that are
eligible to go to a land, you know, in

932
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:23,679
this ballpark. So,
>> but I mean, we've still got a lot of

933
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:29,199
properties. This has never been
addressed by the burrow in terms of

934
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:37,440
going after bladed or properties that
are not not not feasible with that. The

935
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:42,960
the drive of that was we have residents
living next door to these places or in

936
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:46,159
the neighborhood and they are the ones
getting affected by whether it's

937
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:50,800
rodents,
you know, people going in there,

938
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:55,360
whatever. And it is extremely difficult.
We've had people come here and talk

939
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:59,440
about the issues of blighted properties.
So the main drive of that and why we

940
01:10:57,679 --> 01:11:03,520
started this program and it's through
Jim and finding out all the different

941
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:07,199
ways we could do which we found the
three potentially four which we learned

942
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:12,480
at along
is to go through this. So we've attacked

943
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:16,640
Belvadier and we're learning from that
one. The land bank was the second one.

944
01:11:14,719 --> 01:11:21,520
So we proposed five properties, we
pulled one out and we had four. So, a

945
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:26,560
council voted to move forward, but also
the school district and the county voted

946
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:31,600
to move forward with these. The land
bank took them, looked at them, and

947
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:36,000
said, "We'll we'll take these four.
>> We're not looking The drive of this was

948
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:40,239
not looking to make money." It wasn't
like we're looking to make money on

949
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:45,679
these. I mean, these are properties that
have been sitting there for sometimes

950
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:51,280
the 1800s or late 19 or early 1900s.
We're looking to make them into places

951
01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:55,840
where people can live and our neighbors
that are around there are better off.

952
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:59,679
So, I think we've already gone through
this and decided we may have additional

953
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:05,360
information. I think we could utilize
that information for the other 20

954
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:09,760
properties that we have to look at. But
I think we're doing a disservice if

955
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:17,840
we're looking at this from a financial
aspect to say we can gain some dollars

956
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:22,000
by delaying this versus the initial
charge which was to help the folks that

957
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:25,679
are next to these properties.
>> Could I also add, John, um because I

958
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:30,640
think it was really helpful to to kind
of recap some of the history and I'd

959
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:34,400
like to just add a bit more to clarify
since we're on record here. Greg made

960
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:38,480
some comments about how no due diligence
was done and I do firmly disagree with

961
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:43,280
that. I think very ample due diligence
has been done on this topic and on these

962
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:48,480
properties and on the differences and
the costs and the risk associated with

963
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:53,280
conservatorship persists the TRIRCOG
land bank. Um there is certainly always

964
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:57,120
more information
um in any case that can always be

965
01:12:54,880 --> 01:13:00,960
gathered and and I appreciate that more
information has been gathered here but I

966
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:04,880
I would certainly say that plenty of due
diligence has been done has been done. I

967
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:08,400
I you know want to make sure that's on
the record. It's not that we have not

968
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:14,719
done any. We have we have done plenty.
Um, personally I feel confident even

969
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:20,080
with the new information that the the
four properties um that are under

970
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:26,400
consideration by the land bank are you
deserve to stay there. Um, but back to

971
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:32,960
the the topic on the table. If there is
interest in um delaying so that we can

972
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:39,520
add additional information to our
consideration, perhaps we consider doing

973
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:42,800
um a shorter period of time that won't
>> um put off the the efforts that we've

974
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:48,480
been working on for so long and make
people wait longer um but allow us to

975
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:54,880
get past the another council meeting. So
maybe a a 30-day request rather than a

976
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:58,159
90-day um
several things together, but the the key

977
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:00,880
point was to to build on the the
history. There is a lot of history and a

978
01:13:59,679 --> 01:14:04,880
lot of research that's been put into
this.

979
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:10,480
» Yeah. 90-day may have been high 30-day
something just to I something to to get

980
01:14:07,679 --> 01:14:16,159
us past the next meeting so that we
don't feel like we had we we had to make

981
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:20,880
a decision without us all being able to
go through this and and check it out.

982
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:25,360
» And remember the decision is a super
majority would have to vote on that

983
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:30,719
which means six council members have to
agree not to move forward with the

984
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:37,440
properties. So if there are two that
don't then there's no there's no point

985
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:42,480
in in delaying and or
saying that we're going to extend. So

986
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:48,159
that realize that that's what it takes.
So we have the amendment of the agenda

987
01:14:46,159 --> 01:14:54,080
right now. Is there any more discussion
on the amendment of the agenda?

988
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:55,920
All right. We'll take a vote. All in
favor?

989
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:59,440
I
>> I

990
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:03,360
» Okay, so that's who three
>> I

991
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,640
» Okay opposed.
>> No.

992
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:09,040
» No.
>> No.

993
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:13,040
» Okay. So motion does not
>> call off the name. So

994
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:15,920
» the names of the yeses were
>> Kirsten,

995
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:22,080
» Mike,
>> and okay.

996
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:31,080
» Yeah. Then the others.
>> Okay. So agenda is not amended.

997
01:15:25,679 --> 01:15:31,080
And that ends our discussion. Okay.

998
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:42,159
» Um, next item on the uh list is the
imagine Lyndon engagement schedule uh on

999
01:15:38,719 --> 01:15:46,000
OM advisors. Um, the uh thank you for
everyone who came to the public uh

1000
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:51,840
engagement sessions on the 10th and the
24th. The survey is now closed. Um, that

1001
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:55,360
was closed on the 4th. Um, and now
there's going through the process of

1002
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:59,199
setting up focus groups. Um, there's
been some questions about that. I think

1003
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:05,280
currently the the thought process is to
have one with people that are directly

1004
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:10,400
uh um uh next to the next to the
property is going to be one focus group.

1005
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:14,960
One focus group will be uh people who do
want uh who have already expressed

1006
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:20,080
interest in keeping it as green space.
Another is to focus on a younger a

1007
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:25,520
younger audience. Um trying to keep
people um 35 and younger on a group. Um

1008
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:30,400
and then just general stakeholders. I
think the goal was to go with four

1009
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:36,159
stakeholder um or four focus groups at
this time. Um that's what the focus

1010
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:40,880
groups the interviews are basically just
um and I will send this to the steering

1011
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:45,280
committee too. um just basically
interviews of stakeholders in the

1012
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:49,679
community that are commonly uh involved
in the community or they own businesses

1013
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:55,360
or otherwise represented by the
community. And then um those processes

1014
01:16:52,560 --> 01:17:02,159
are happening next September and October
and then the open house is planned for

1015
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:08,560
either November or um early December.
But that concludes my report.

1016
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:12,560
Okay. All right. Standing committee
reports, finance, administration,

1017
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:17,760
sustainability. Mr. Ho,
>> thank you. Um, prior to the meeting, we

1018
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:21,120
had our first uh public budget workshop
for next year. And for anyone that was

1019
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:25,199
not in attendance, if you'd like to
learn more about the fiscal planning and

1020
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:32,000
budgeting of the burrow, feel free to
attend any of the subsequent public

1021
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:38,000
budgeting sessions. So, um, we did cover
it in the budget planning session, but

1022
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:43,040
sorry, I have it on my phone. Um, just
real quick, the, uh, current funds as of

1023
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:48,320
the end of August, uh, general fund is
at 1.4 million. Uh, general fund reserve

1024
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:53,280
also is at 1.3 million, but there is a
transfer coming out of that uh, for the

1025
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:59,280
bond fund. So, just FYI. uh road funds
at $5,000 with a reserve of about

1026
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:05,199
$768,000.
Sewer funds at $886,000

1027
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:10,000
with a reserve of $879,000.
Uh the bond fund is at $2,000, but as I

1028
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:14,880
previously mentioned, uh temporary
transfer from the general fund reserve

1029
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:20,880
is going into that to uh bring that back
up to the correct amounts or acceptable

1030
01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:27,040
amounts. Um
overall, uh total funds balance is at

1031
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:31,440
about $4.4 million. Uh overall, um I'll
have

1032
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:35,440
the finance committee meets, uh prior to
the next council meeting so we can have

1033
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:39,360
a more in-depth um kind of budget to
actuals about if there's any line items

1034
01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:44,560
or areas of concern or anything. But as
reported at the last council meeting, um

1035
01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:49,199
overall we are tracking well for the
fiscal year. So um overall there's has

1036
01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:54,320
not been anything of major concern uh
financially. So I'll give a better

1037
01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:58,320
report of that uh at the next meeting.
Um the only other thing is the um public

1038
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:03,520
works collective bargaining agreement.
Uh we are still waiting on uh well for

1039
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:06,800
right now it's the actuarial review of
retirement plans but that's kind of been

1040
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:11,040
the big hold up on on this at this point
is the retirement plan things pension

1041
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:16,320
versus uh other retirement plan options
that we've been looking into. So, uh,

1042
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:20,960
still waiting on on the actuarial
actuarial review for those retirement

1043
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:25,120
plans before we can continue to proceed.
So, and I think it's good because I

1044
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:31,440
don't think we've ever mentioned it at a
council meeting, which is the staff and

1045
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:40,560
the public works union are looking to
move from a pension plan to a four I

1046
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:45,600
always get 401A and 40 457 plan
>> versus the pension plan which is no

1047
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:50,159
longer sustainable for retirement
because how it's funded and how it's um

1048
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:53,920
the cont they also cannot make any
contribution. ions to it.

1049
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:58,640
» So the goal here is not only for the
staff and for public works is to move to

1050
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:05,120
these plans where they can contribute on
a pre-tax basis and they can get a match

1051
01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:10,159
like your typical 401k plan is what
their request is and also from staff.

1052
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:14,960
The pension plan has a vesting of eight
years which is a long time and it's not

1053
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:20,960
a very good plan at least for public
works. So part of that is to to get them

1054
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:25,120
a better retirement plan because they
also don't feel like they can retire

1055
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:30,719
based on what the the pension plan
currently offers.

1056
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:36,560
» So Jim and um some folks were using are
looking into these additional options to

1057
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:41,360
be able to offer um for for the not only
the staff but also public works. So

1058
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:44,880
that's been the hold up for it. And this
was unfortunately something we had just

1059
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:48,000
barely begun whenever the um
negotiations were starting. So

1060
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:52,960
unfortunately that they kind of happened
concurrently which caused the delay. So

1061
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:58,239
yeah that's all I have for my report
unless anybody has any questions.

1062
01:20:56,159 --> 01:21:01,480
» Thank you Mr. Ho. Infrastructure and
land use.

1063
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:09,520
» Sure. Well, first off, I can report that
we have submitted a grant application,

1064
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:14,480
the municipal um assistance program MAP
grant application

1065
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:20,000
um which is funding through the state.
Um we have applied for funding $50,000

1066
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:24,719
in funding to uh for a comprehensive
plan update um that was submitted on

1067
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:29,280
September 1st, made it in time for its
deadline. Um we'll likely hear about

1068
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:34,320
that um early, you know, maybe January,
February, early 2027. Um this is because

1069
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:39,760
our uh comprehensive plan crafting
income thrive was passed back in 2017.

1070
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:44,960
Um is due for an update next year. We
are supposed to update it per state

1071
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:49,600
every 10 years. Um the MAP grant
application the MAP grant rather through

1072
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:55,040
the state um like a lot of state grants
is going to require 50% match. Um

1073
01:21:53,920 --> 01:22:01,120
imagine that's something that we'll
continue talking about during the budget

1074
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:05,920
session. Um we applied for $50,000
um which would be a $50,000 match um

1075
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:09,040
from the bureau. We haven't yet set an
actual we haven't committed to a

1076
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:13,040
particular budget for the comprehensive
plan. We could pay a bit less. Um we

1077
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:16,719
could also pay that full amount. Some
municipalities pay more. Some of the

1078
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:20,800
this is not something that's come come
up in detail yet. We haven't started the

1079
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:27,280
budgeting for this project. But um one
of the big kind of flexible moving um

1080
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:31,120
things that would affect the overall
amount that we choose to spend on that

1081
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:35,760
is is really the amount of community
engagement. There are requirements that

1082
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:39,840
we'll have to meet um for the
comprehensive plan itself and then how

1083
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:44,239
much community engagement we want would
affect how much uh fee we need from a

1084
01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:48,639
consultant. So all things to discuss
moving forward. Um but for now that is

1085
01:22:46,239 --> 01:22:55,600
the a big update. we have submitted uh a
grant application.

1086
01:22:51,280 --> 01:23:01,840
Um questions on that before I go on?
Um next one, DCNR getdf pool area

1087
01:22:58,719 --> 01:23:08,639
improvement grants. Um this was two
different grants we received both um

1088
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:12,719
both um we were able to to put them
together to offset the amount of match

1089
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:16,719
that we need to put in for pool area
improvement grants. These are things

1090
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:19,120
like the awning to the um
>> pavilion

1091
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:25,440
» awning the the pavilion the awning to
the concession stand the new pavilion uh

1092
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:30,639
new slide I know we sent off the old one
on Labor Day um

1093
01:23:28,719 --> 01:23:34,880
um some other accessibility uh
improvements the rock climbing wall um

1094
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:37,840
that is the project that this refers to
uh that went out to bid and those bids

1095
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:41,440
have been received and I don't have any
further updates since that happened. Um,

1096
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,920
we did receive the bids and it's
something we're going to have to talk at

1097
01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:45,440
infrastructure committee. They were
incredibly high.

1098
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:50,719
» Okay.
>> Um, and so the lowest bid was 500.

1099
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:54,000
» So low bid
was 529,000.

1100
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:57,360
» Yeah.
>> And that's not including our work that

1101
01:23:56,320 --> 01:24:04,800
needs to be done.
>> They range from 529 to 1.1 million.

1102
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:11,600
» Yeah. So we need to uh reassess um
basically um what parts of the project

1103
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:15,360
we really want to do. Uh um and what
parts can be taken on by the by the

1104
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:17,920
public works for
>> a million dollars for a slide in a

1105
01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:21,280
pavilion.
>> Yeah.

1106
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:27,600
» Get these numbers.
>> Let's just put it this way. Um the

1107
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:31,760
contractor that submitted the bid like I
>> it's he they've have been high on

1108
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:35,360
numerous projects. So
>> um that would be something if we were

1109
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:39,120
about him. I would kind of toss that one
to the side and not

1110
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:42,560
» tell me you don't want the job. Stop
telling me you don't want the job.

1111
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:47,040
» We're not even building we're not even
building a building interior here.

1112
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:50,520
» Just get a slide
>> the existing slide.

1113
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:58,000
» We still have time to figure that out.
>> There's I did

1114
01:24:56,159 --> 01:25:01,880
» and if we and if we have don't have a
slide for part of next year.

1115
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:08,159
Why did we jump to rip out a slide when
we didn't have a

1116
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:12,560
» Well, the slide might be the guaranteed
item that we have.

1117
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:13,440
» We haven't ripped it out yet. We did
gone.

1118
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,040
» It's gone.
>> I thought we were going to wait a little

1119
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:18,960
longer.
>> No.

1120
01:25:15,679 --> 01:25:23,840
» Farewell slide.
>> Well, now we know we have to get a new

1121
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:27,679
one. So, makes a decision.
>> I I I think there's options. Uh spoke

1122
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:30,800
with Jim about this. I think we can
discuss it further in infrastructure. I

1123
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:35,440
think there are options to where that it
can still um

1124
01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:38,159
» there's a couple different avenues.
>> Terrible thing.

1125
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:41,440
» All right. Well, that that's an update
we've gotten in the bid.

1126
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,760
» Get new ones.
>> Well, wasn't there something?

1127
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:45,760
» Does this mean we would have to go back
out the bid?

1128
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:50,320
» Oh, yeah. It was
>> Has it revised?

1129
01:25:48,719 --> 01:25:53,679
» Potentially.
There's multiple different ways we can

1130
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:57,360
kind of handle this. So, I think
>> too much cross talk guys. I don't know

1131
01:25:55,600 --> 01:26:01,199
where I don't know that you want to like
>> I guess the answer is just we have more

1132
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:06,000
discussion on the slides so or on the
polls then

1133
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:09,760
» and and the update the update for the
community as of as of now is we've

1134
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:14,080
received the bids only just received
them haven't looked through them yet and

1135
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:20,400
they are high so we'll have to consider
how we move forward

1136
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:24,159
um and then the third item is also um
kind of similar still ongoing the DCED

1137
01:26:22,639 --> 01:26:27,280
$325,000
grant

1138
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:32,080
um that we received um also from the
state. This one did not require a match.

1139
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:36,719
So, this was all just uh free money um
for pedestrian and business district

1140
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:42,320
improvements around Craftton Circle and
STS and um some improvements that we

1141
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:46,639
were looking at continuing up towards um
Craftton Boulevard. This is going

1142
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:50,800
through design review. Um we're working
with lighting consultants on samples and

1143
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:53,920
pricing and new pool installation. A lot
of details to work through. um

1144
01:26:52,560 --> 01:27:00,199
infrastructure committee has not met
since the last council meeting, but

1145
01:26:55,199 --> 01:27:00,199
we'll meet uh again before the next one.

1146
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:04,560
So, I don't have any other further
updates on that other than that's still

1147
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:11,360
ongoing.
>> I have one more question. Did we know

1148
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:14,800
that this contract was in jeopardy
before we pulled the trigger to take

1149
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:17,440
that slide out?
>> Well, um

1150
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:22,719
» what we're saying is the slide would be
a guarantee as part the contract's not

1151
01:27:19,679 --> 01:27:26,719
in jeopardy. It's we can go below these
bids, but the slide would be something

1152
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:30,000
that we would pay for. We may not do
some of the other items or public works

1153
01:27:28,719 --> 01:27:35,400
may do them, right?
>> So, it's it's still it's okay.

1154
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:41,120
» And as you said, the slide was not in a
safe condition.

1155
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:45,360
» No, I mean, the slide had cracks. They
we've been asked by public works to

1156
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:48,480
remove that slide for three years. So
there were lots of concerns about that

1157
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:54,000
slide and now we have money to replace
it and we plan to go out you know if we

1158
01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:57,840
don't use this set of bids then we can
go back out to bid but we'll have if we

1159
01:27:56,639 --> 01:28:00,800
don't have the slide at the very
beginning of next year we will have the

1160
01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:05,120
slide next year.
>> So

1161
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:07,920
» that was that was like the cornerstone
of the project

1162
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:10,239
» to replace the slide and we got some
other things with it but the slide was

1163
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:14,480
the focus.
>> It's the focus of the project. Yeah.

1164
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:19,520
» Right. And you've got one that's 529.
So, you know, you're talking about

1165
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:22,159
shaving maybe shaving 129 off of the
whole project and there were a lot of

1166
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:26,000
other things in it.
>> Yep.

1167
01:28:24,639 --> 01:28:27,440
» And we can do some of the stuff in
house, right?

1168
01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:32,239
» So, Yep.
>> So, by

1169
01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:38,719
» Yes. So, you have to spend more money.
>> 60 days to take action on whether you're

1170
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:42,000
going to accept low bid or object. So,
>> so one more question. What was the

1171
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:45,360
benefit of taking the slide out
yesterday and not waiting

1172
01:28:44,719 --> 01:28:48,800
» because we don't
>> because you were not you weren't going

1173
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:54,679
to use it again because it it was a
liability to the burough.

1174
01:28:51,679 --> 01:28:54,679
» Okay.

1175
01:28:56,400 --> 01:29:02,159
All right. Um communication and
recreation. Miss Bolen.

1176
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:06,719
» Thank you. Um okay. As we all know, Fall
Fest is coming up in just a couple

1177
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:10,960
weeks. Before I go into detail, I first
would like to put a motion out there to

1178
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:15,920
lift the burrow ordinance banning dogs
in Craftton Park for one day, Saturday,

1179
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:19,520
September 26, to allow the record board
to host a pet parade during Craftton's

1180
01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:20,719
annual fall fest.
>> So move.

1181
01:29:20,159 --> 01:29:24,639
» Second.
>> Mr. Ho, Miss Compello,

1182
01:29:23,199 --> 01:29:29,120
» any questions or discussion?
>> I have questions. It's a pet parade, so

1183
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:33,760
why are we lifting only banning dogs?
Can other pets be in the parade?

1184
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:35,199
» Sure. Do we need
>> dogs are the only things that are banned

1185
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,480
from parade?
>> It is only dogs that are banned. Dogs

1186
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:42,880
are the only banned.
>> But to clarify, any any pet is welcome

1187
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:44,960
in the pet parade and and other pets are
already allowed in the park.

1188
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:49,520
» Is correct.
>> Can I just add one thing?

1189
01:29:47,199 --> 01:29:52,239
» Pets still have to be on their leash.
>> That is also correct.

1190
01:29:50,719 --> 01:29:56,800
» So if you're going to bring your cat,
please make sure she's on her harness.

1191
01:29:53,920 --> 01:30:00,719
» Correct. guinea pigs, your gerbles,
whatever you got. Gerbles in the balls,

1192
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:04,159
wear a leash,
>> but have to be on their leash.

1193
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:06,080
» And you got to pick up after them
regardless whatever kind of animal they

1194
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:07,360
are.
>> Okay.

1195
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:11,440
» Yeah.
>> Did we Was there something in previous

1196
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:15,120
years where we provided or talked about
providing the baggies to clean up

1197
01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:18,239
afterwards?
>> No, we haven't. But I mean, I've got a

1198
01:30:16,639 --> 01:30:21,920
million that I'm happy to grab.
>> I just couldn't remember if that was

1199
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:25,280
something we had done in the past.
>> We did do that in the past.

1200
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:27,760
» They're inexpensive. I thought we did. I
thought we had a a thing down there last

1201
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:30,639
time.
>> Did we? Okay. I don't recall that, but

1202
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:33,600
Steve's got
>> Yeah,

1203
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:35,520
» thanks to We'll be happy to provide, but
you still have to pick up after your

1204
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:37,199
own.
>> Yes,

1205
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:40,239
» we'll provide the bags.
>> Yeah.

1206
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:43,199
» And we'll make a note to um Sorry to
interrupt. The uh

1207
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:46,880
» uh some water dishes and things will be
around, too. So, we'll make sure it's

1208
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:50,880
it's it's pet friendly for for those
that are bringing that stuff down. We'll

1209
01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:56,080
make a note to do that. Great.
>> Any other discussion?

1210
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:59,920
All right. Hearing none. All in favor?
>> I opposed.

1211
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:02,639
» Motion passes.
>> Thank you. The board feels much better

1212
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:07,199
now.
>> So, with that in mind, the pup parade uh

1213
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:11,679
registration will start at 12:15. By the
way, Fall Fest again is Saturday,

1214
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:15,679
September 26th from noon to 6:00. The
pup parade registration will start at

1215
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:21,760
12:15 with the actual parade starting at
12:30. You are welcome to sign up online

1216
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:25,199
prior to uh Fall Fest. And we actually
would prefer you do that just so we have

1217
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:28,719
an idea of how many animals would you
expect. Of course, all the money, I

1218
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:33,760
believe it's $10 for registration and
all that money will go to charity. Every

1219
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:36,560
penny. So, we still have to figure out
which charity. There are so many good

1220
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:40,719
ones to choose from. We just are having
a hard time deciding, but we will pick

1221
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:45,280
one. I promise.
After the pup parade, we have a new

1222
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:50,000
event this year, the little pumpkin baby
crawl contest. So, if you have a little

1223
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:56,159
one still in their crawling stage, they
are welcome to partake. Registration is

1224
01:31:52,960 --> 01:32:00,639
at 12:45 with a 1:00 crawl. And again,
there'll be little um prizes given away

1225
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:06,960
to our winners. So, but they have to be
crawling, no running, no whatever. So,

1226
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:10,960
um from there, music, we have Mingo
Creek. They're starting to play at 2:00.

1227
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:15,440
And we have a cornhole tournament that
will start at 3:00. Again, you can sign

1228
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:20,000
up online beforehand for the cornhole
tournament. Um, but we will also accept

1229
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:23,440
registration that day as well. But
again, if at all possible, we like

1230
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:27,440
beforehand so we can get an idea and
maybe create a bracket and get things

1231
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:32,239
moving.
Um, at the moment, we have five with a

1232
01:32:30,159 --> 01:32:36,960
possibly six food trucks that are
coming. Uh, we also have three breweries

1233
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:40,800
with a possible or two breweries with a
possible third. We did confirm the third

1234
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:45,920
one. So, we have three breweries coming.
So, now we truly have a beer garden. So,

1235
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:51,280
thank you to everybody who is coming.
Um, activities will include axe

1236
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:56,400
throwing, horse and pony rides, arcade
games from our church arcade person.

1237
01:32:54,080 --> 01:33:01,040
Thank you, Mike. Um, we're going to have
pumpkin painting, inflatable obstacle

1238
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:06,320
course, and a lot more. Mini golf will
also be open throughout the duration of

1239
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:10,320
golf fest, so go play around or two. Um,
and again, you can go to the burough

1240
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:14,960
website to register for the parade, the
baby crawl, or the tournament. also to

1241
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:20,000
volunteer and we're always looking for
volunteers even just an hour of your

1242
01:33:16,719 --> 01:33:23,840
time. Just go to uh the burough website
and go to the community events page and

1243
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:29,120
you can sign up for any of those
options.

1244
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:33,199
Any questions on call fest.
Oh, we also have over 20 vendors coming

1245
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:35,920
too. I forgot to mention that. So, got a
lot of crafts and things to purchase.

1246
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:38,800
» Can I say one more thing?
>> Eric, can I say one more thing, please?

1247
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:43,920
» Just because you mentioned the crafts, I
would encourage people to have cash on

1248
01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:48,800
hand. I know we live in a uh touch your
phone app world, but um I think some

1249
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:52,000
vendors probably will be appreciating
cash because you know, who knows what

1250
01:33:50,480 --> 01:33:55,360
service might be like in the park, too.
So, I think having some cash on hand

1251
01:33:53,920 --> 01:34:00,560
might not be a bad idea, especially for
some of the local craft vendors.

1252
01:33:58,159 --> 01:34:05,360
» And there will be shade tree booth.
>> Yeah. Um bird tree bird

1253
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:08,639
» bird town booth
>> be a community garden. And the uh uh

1254
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:13,520
police department will have their
command center at the entrance as well.

1255
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:17,600
» Yep. All kinds of
>> And they and they're going to be doing

1256
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:20,159
some of the same stuff that they did at
uh Fourth of July

1257
01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:22,159
» with no rain. Hopefully
>> hopefully no rain.

1258
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:24,880
» I know.
>> We've been lucky the last couple years

1259
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:28,560
that continues.
>> Yeah.

1260
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:33,040
» So on that note, um if there are no
questions, another um event that's

1261
01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:38,880
coming up that's not on the agenda. I
apologize. Saturday, October 3rd, Shade

1262
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:44,159
Tree is having a native plant seed swap
and an Ottabon Society informational

1263
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:49,199
bird walk. So, that's going to happen in
the park. The the seed swap is going to

1264
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:53,520
happen from 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. And
the Ottabon uhformational walk will

1265
01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:55,679
happen from 12:00 to 2. So, if anybody's
interested, come on down.

1266
01:34:54,639 --> 01:34:58,719
» You said November 3rd.
>> Nove October 3rd.

1267
01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:04,000
» I'm sorry.
>> November 3rd was a week ago.

1268
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:08,159
» Okay. Or no, November.
What is time, Aaron? Who knows? My

1269
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:11,400
apologies, everybody.
>> You're like sometime

1270
01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:17,840
walk.
>> All right. Next up is our 21 and over

1271
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:24,639
Halloween mini golf. That's happening on
Saturday, October 17th from 7 to 10:00.

1272
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:29,120
It is just 21 and over. So, this is one
Saturday that we ask you to please leave

1273
01:35:26,159 --> 01:35:34,320
your kiddos at home. Um, it is $10 per
person. Um it's Bob and we will have the

1274
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:38,960
Pittsburgh crepe food truck there. They
offer sweet crepes, savory crepes, but

1275
01:35:36,639 --> 01:35:43,440
then they also have um chicken tenders,
fries, gyros, things like that. They

1276
01:35:40,719 --> 01:35:47,360
have a whole mess of good things to try.
I've had them before that. It's a really

1277
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:50,639
good food truck in my opinion. So come
on down, have some fun. We'll have some

1278
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:55,040
other entertainment on hand as well.
Again, you can go to to the Graftonboro

1279
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:59,520
website to buy your ticket in advance
and you can also just show up and pay at

1280
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:04,639
that time as well.
questions on that.

1281
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:10,080
We also have our Halloween Eve
extravaganza on Friday, October 30th at

1282
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:16,239
the mini golf. It's a time to bring the
little ones for a not so scary round of

1283
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:20,159
mini golf um before the sun goes down.
Costumes are definitely encouraged and

1284
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:24,239
candy will be handed out and a few other
things. Um we will still have our

1285
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:29,199
regular mini golf hours at 7:00 to 9
that night as well.

1286
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:33,760
Next up would be our holiday free
market. That's going to happen on

1287
01:36:30,639 --> 01:36:38,960
Saturday, November 21st. Um, you can
drop off your items starting at 8:00

1288
01:36:36,239 --> 01:36:43,360
a.m. The market itself will run from 9
to 1. We are also going to have Friday

1289
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:49,440
evening drop off hours from 6:00 to
8:00. It's all happening over here in

1290
01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:54,239
the community center. So, um, all the
items that are not taken by the end of

1291
01:36:51,119 --> 01:36:59,360
day will be donated. Things that we are
allowing are gently used housewares,

1292
01:36:56,560 --> 01:37:04,880
clothing, home decor, shoes, small
electronics, pet products, small

1293
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:10,960
appliances, sports gear, books, DVDs,
CDs, seasonal holiday items, tools,

1294
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:15,520
toys, games, and craft supplies. Some
things that we are not taking, and

1295
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:18,960
neither one of these are full lists. You
know, we'll go with discretion here

1296
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:22,560
because you can never really assume what
people are going to bring. No food.

1297
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:27,040
Please, if you have any food to donate,
please donate it to our food bank. Uh,

1298
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:32,560
no weapons or ammunition. Can't believe
I have to say this, but I do. No worn

1299
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:36,960
underwear, no wor under clothing.
Nothing damaged or unusable, and no

1300
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:42,159
large furniture. If it doesn't fit in
the elevator or in the stairwell, it is

1301
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:46,719
not welcome. All right. Again, we still
have a little more um discretion when

1302
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:49,440
you show up with your items, but you
also don't have to bring items to

1303
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:53,600
partake. If you just want to come see
what's available, just come see what's

1304
01:37:51,199 --> 01:37:58,880
available. See what you have. Maybe one
man's trash is another man's treasure.

1305
01:37:55,520 --> 01:38:01,840
So, come check it out.
Uh after that, we have our craft and

1306
01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:05,600
holiday celebration that's going to
happen on Saturday, December 5th. We're

1307
01:38:04,159 --> 01:38:10,239
still working out the details on there,
but what I can tell you at the moment is

1308
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:13,760
is moving to the circle in front of the
Burough Building. We're going to close

1309
01:38:11,440 --> 01:38:18,480
down Stocks Avenue for a couple hours
from 4 to 8, I believe. Um, we're going

1310
01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:22,239
to have our, you know, the good ones,
Santa, Mrs. Claus. We're going to have

1311
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:26,159
some vendors. We'll have a popup
Christmas event at the Circle Inn. And a

1312
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:31,400
lot more to come. We're still banging
out the details. So, as I get them, I

1313
01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:31,400
will share.

1314
01:38:32,159 --> 01:38:38,320
That same weekend on Sunday, December
6th, from 1 to 6, it looks like the

1315
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:42,639
holiday house tour is a go. Thank you to
everybody who has graciously donated

1316
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:46,000
their homes. We're still looking for a
couple more. Um, so hopefully we can get

1317
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:51,199
a few more, but it does look like we
have enough that it is a go. Um, details

1318
01:38:48,639 --> 01:38:56,880
to come, but we will start selling
tickets at FallFest. We will have online

1319
01:38:53,920 --> 01:39:01,920
ticket purchasing only at Fall Fest. We
will have um physical tickets later on

1320
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:05,600
for sale at the library in the Burough
Building, but for right now, starting at

1321
01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:13,040
Fall Fest, we will have a Q code that
you can use to buy them online.

1322
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:17,840
questions on any of those events.
All right, our ongoing events, mini golf

1323
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:23,679
is still ongoing now through October
every Friday and Saturday from 7 to 9:00

1324
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:29,440
p.m. It is $2 a round. And again, you
can take your ticket from golf down to

1325
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:32,480
our ice cream store to get a free treat.
Did you have something in your hand?

1326
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:36,800
» I'm going to confirm, but I do not I
think mini golf is done. I think they

1327
01:39:34,480 --> 01:39:40,080
Yes, they use the month of September. I
meant they use the month of September to

1328
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:42,719
get it ready
>> for Halloween.

1329
01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:45,360
» So, it's closed. Yes.
>> I apologize everybody.

1330
01:39:44,159 --> 01:39:47,920
» Yeah, I have it on there.
>> I checked. I thought about that earlier

1331
01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:50,320
tonight. Yeah.
>> All right. So, I lied.

1332
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:53,199
» No more mini golf.
>> Get ready for October.

1333
01:39:51,119 --> 01:39:57,440
» Get ready for October.
>> All right. Then, yoga in the park. That

1334
01:39:54,960 --> 01:40:01,360
is continuing on Saturdays through
September. It's 10 o'clock in the park.

1335
01:39:59,679 --> 01:40:06,560
It is free to anybody who wishes to
come. Um,

1336
01:40:04,159 --> 01:40:10,719
and we have I can't even stress how many
other events we have going on every

1337
01:40:08,719 --> 01:40:14,960
month in our neighborhood. So, please
just go to our events calendar on

1338
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:18,639
craftenboroough.gov and see the library
has a million things going on. Shade,

1339
01:40:16,639 --> 01:40:23,040
there's so many things going on that I
would take up four hours just to say.

1340
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:26,800
So, please go to our events calendar and
see what's going on. And again, as

1341
01:40:24,639 --> 01:40:30,239
always, we could use volunteers. So,
please go to the website and give us an

1342
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:34,239
hour of your time. We would appreciate
it.

1343
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:39,040
Uh, and last up, our newsletter is in
the works and we plan to have it

1344
01:40:36,639 --> 01:40:43,280
distributed or distributed, excuse me,
in early to mid October. So, unless

1345
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:46,400
there's any questions, that concludes my
report.

1346
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:49,600
» Thank you, Miss Benbacher. Board
commission recruiting. Miss

1347
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:53,840
» Yeah, I'll make mine short and sweet.
Um, currently we have a rec board

1348
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:57,119
position that, uh, the term expires at
the end of September. So, just thinking

1349
01:40:55,679 --> 01:41:00,639
about everything Aaron just said,
there's so much going on. Um, so if

1350
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:06,480
you're interested, you can check out the
description for that on our website. Um,

1351
01:41:03,679 --> 01:41:10,639
backboards commissions. Um, and then
civil service commission. We have two

1352
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:15,280
alternate seats available. They've been
available for a while. One, uh, expires

1353
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:23,760
on February 1st, 2029, and the other is
May 20th, 2032. Um, and after

1354
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:27,440
like those two kind of technically
three, we'll have no more for the rest

1355
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:32,400
of the year, but there's only three
months left in this year. So,

1356
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:36,320
» there you have it. Short and breezy.
>> Thank you, Miss McCoick. Um, the COG,

1357
01:41:35,119 --> 01:41:41,440
Mr. Waznjak.
>> Okay. So, the next COG meeting is next

1358
01:41:38,719 --> 01:41:46,080
Thursday, September 17th, and it's at
Crescent Township. So, uh, we're done

1359
01:41:43,679 --> 01:41:51,040
with our summer break. So, I will be
getting information. Typically, we get

1360
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:56,080
it Friday before the meeting and I will
post it on a one drive.

1361
01:41:54,639 --> 01:42:01,840
» Thank you. All right, our community
announcements. Our next council meeting

1362
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:06,800
is Thursday, September 24th at 7 and the
budget workshop an hour before at 6. Um,

1363
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:10,000
we do have employment opportunities. We
have the community and economic

1364
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:13,920
development director position and also
our substitute part-time crossing guard

1365
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:18,239
for Craftton Elementary. And those
positions you can apply online on the

1366
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:22,080
crafting website.
And then Fall Fest, of course, as a

1367
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:27,280
reminder, is Saturday, September 26 from
12 to 6 in the park. All the things that

1368
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:32,080
um Aaron had mentioned are all on the
agenda here.

1369
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:36,000
All right. Public comment. At this time,
citizens may address the Craftton

1370
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:39,280
Burough Council on any issue. Only
residents and taxpayers of the Burough

1371
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:44,159
of Craftton will be permitted to address
the council. Speakers will be permitted

1372
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:47,679
to speak for a maximum of three minutes.
Groups of people will be required to

1373
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:52,480
designate a spokesperson to represent
them before the council who may speak

1374
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:56,400
for a maximum of 5 minutes. Councilors
the option to respond or not at the end

1375
01:42:54,080 --> 01:43:00,159
of the address. The solicitor is our
assigned timekeeper. Please state your

1376
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:04,159
name and physical address for the
record. So, anybody here, you would just

1377
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:08,239
raise your hand if you'd want to speak.
Sure.

1378
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:11,239
» Yeah, you come over to the mic right
there.

1379
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:19,199
My name is Diane Hedges.
>> Diane Hedges. I live 21 Warren Street. I

1380
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:25,199
I wanted to talk to you about the pool.
The pavilion we all think is a horrible

1381
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:28,880
idea because that area I've been down
there for 40 years with kids and

1382
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:31,600
grandkids. And that's where the kids
play.

1383
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:35,119
» And if you put a pavilion there, it's
going to take all the space away. And

1384
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:38,320
they were talking about putting rain
barrels at the bottom, which is going to

1385
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:41,840
draw mosquitoes.
So there's going to be a lot of bites

1386
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:44,639
over there and it could draw bees also.
So I think it's a really bad idea. They

1387
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:48,960
should just leave that and that would
save you so much money. And then the

1388
01:43:46,719 --> 01:43:53,920
slide should stay where it's at because
if you take away the space where all the

1389
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:58,239
women come and lay out in the sun, all
those chairs you're running every day

1390
01:43:55,360 --> 01:44:03,360
for $2. So that's going to take all that
money away from the pool. And a lot of

1391
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:06,880
those people just won't come anymore if
they don't have a place to lay. They

1392
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:13,840
don't want to lay in the grass.
And let me see what else I have.

1393
01:44:11,679 --> 01:44:17,280
I mean, the the awning is a good idea
for the kids for the, you know,

1394
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:21,840
concession stand, but I I think you
could save so much money by just keeping

1395
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:26,000
the putting a new slide where it's at,
getting rid of the pavilion, leaving the

1396
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:31,199
chairs there. You could use the money
for new chairs to rent out. That would

1397
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:37,360
be a good idea.
And then I don't understand why we're

1398
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:40,080
having a beer garden and axe throwing on
the same day. No, just

1399
01:44:38,639 --> 01:44:42,560
» we like to keep things interesting.
Yeah,

1400
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:46,880
» they will not be near each other.
>> Okay. Sorry. No, we're not supposed to

1401
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:52,000
talk. Sorry. And then the um as far as
the the land that has always been for

1402
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:55,920
the kids where they play football,
cheerleading,

1403
01:44:53,520 --> 01:45:01,040
baseball over there and it would be so
sad to take that away and put, you know,

1404
01:44:58,719 --> 01:45:05,600
housing or something there. I think you
should keep it, you know, as a park or

1405
01:45:03,119 --> 01:45:10,480
you could make a ice skating rink and
rent it out for hockey. I think that

1406
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:14,960
would be a really good idea and maybe
put the money into a new hot putt

1407
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:19,760
course. make it bigger so people would
come to it. I think it's just too small.

1408
01:45:16,480 --> 01:45:24,960
You can't even see it there. Maybe put a
um like a tennis court or a pickle ball

1409
01:45:23,119 --> 01:45:29,600
court. You could do the same with the
same space. Just put different lines

1410
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:31,920
there and a small playground. So the
moms could have the kids at the

1411
01:45:30,639 --> 01:45:35,199
playground where they're playing tennis
or whatever.

1412
01:45:33,679 --> 01:45:40,800
You could go all the way down and then
on the outside make like a running

1413
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:46,239
course, you know, with like a soft area
to run around the outside of it. There's

1414
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:49,119
a lot you can do with that area. That's
all. Thank you.

1415
01:45:47,440 --> 01:45:53,040
» Thank you.
>> All right. So, we have the feed. I I

1416
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:58,639
guess it's a lot of the feedback on the
pool pavilion or the pavilion, the rain

1417
01:45:55,360 --> 01:46:01,280
barrels, um the slide. So, obviously,
we'll be discussing it during the

1418
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:05,280
infrastructure meeting.
>> Yeah. I just mentioned that those all

1419
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:09,920
those recommendations were from the pool
manager and people were at the pool. Uh

1420
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:16,560
and the pavilion would need to go there
because of uh ADA compliance um to allow

1421
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:19,440
for it to be flat. They also wanted the
um slide to be there so that people

1422
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:22,719
don't have to go all the way around the
pool to get back on the slide. This will

1423
01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:25,119
allow people to quickly access the
slide. That was a recommendation of a

1424
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:26,800
pool manager.
>> Okay.

1425
01:46:26,239 --> 01:46:33,040
» Okay.
>> Yep. Um then we had the lending comments

1426
01:46:30,239 --> 01:46:35,760
which that's a long long process.
>> Okay. Thank you.

1427
01:46:34,239 --> 01:46:39,280
» Yeah, I was going to say for for Lyndon
I would just make sure you also uh make

1428
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:48,239
yourself heard at the school board
meetings because again we uh are just

1429
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:51,719
one party involved in all of this. So
>> anybody else?

1430
01:46:56,000 --> 01:47:04,159
Thank you. Crystal Beam, 57 Belvadier
Street. Um when the budget meetings or

1431
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:09,760
the next one takes place, I'd like to
recommend consideration for the

1432
01:47:06,719 --> 01:47:15,119
completion of Belvadier Street. Um as it
was in initially uh intended to be

1433
01:47:12,719 --> 01:47:20,639
completed back in 2022 during the Phil
Labasser days. Um they put the header in

1434
01:47:18,639 --> 01:47:26,000
the other day. I drove home at midnight
last night to flooding on both sides of

1435
01:47:22,639 --> 01:47:31,760
the street. Um, I pointed this out to
Gateway engineers. Um, the heavy

1436
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:36,000
equipment has further damaged the brick.
Um, it looks like a roller coaster and

1437
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:41,679
the water is pulling directly in front
of my house. I cannot exit my car, um,

1438
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:44,960
the side of my house. Um, it was filled
all the way up to the curb. So, I'd like

1439
01:47:43,679 --> 01:47:50,080
that addressed. I don't know if there
were any adjacent studies that were done

1440
01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:54,159
um with the infrastructure committee,
but um where the brick meets the

1441
01:47:52,639 --> 01:48:00,080
pavement, there's a large hump in the
middle. Um the water is not going to

1442
01:47:56,400 --> 01:48:05,199
reach Elco um where the brick currently
is. It's just pulling. It's flooding and

1443
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:11,520
it's not going to get over the hump and
down to the um the grate. So, I'd like

1444
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:16,159
that looked at. I talked to Jim about it
in front of my home. I know Jim said

1445
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:21,360
that they have no intention of fixing
the curb that I had addressed in front

1446
01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:25,600
of my home. He said that, you know,
nope, I can't do it for you. I can't do

1447
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:30,400
any favors. I understand that. I'd like
the infrastructure committee to at least

1448
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:34,320
address Belvadier Street, take a look at
it. I was disappointed when Gateway

1449
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:39,440
engineers came out and they were going
to pull they were going to pour for a

1450
01:48:36,159 --> 01:48:44,159
curb. Um, the definition of a curb is
not pouring a facade. my husband could

1451
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:49,520
have kicked it with his boots. It was a
very small section that they were trying

1452
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:55,520
to daisy chain with an old existing
curb. Um I called Jim. I asked Jim to

1453
01:48:52,159 --> 01:49:00,960
come out and Jim did. Uh the engineer um
came out. I think due diligence was a

1454
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:04,080
big word I heard earlier this evening. I
think Gateway Engineer, they've been

1455
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:08,880
with us a long time. I've been this in
this community for 22 years. I think

1456
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:13,360
that, you know, we should be reviewing
our engineering companies every other

1457
01:49:10,480 --> 01:49:16,320
year, every two years. Um, I was very
disappointed that they were going to

1458
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:21,280
pour a curb in front of my house. I
think an adjacent study would have been

1459
01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:26,880
um, feasible. Um, I'm very sad and very
disappointed. I feel that my home um, it

1460
01:49:24,719 --> 01:49:30,880
just looks terrible. The header looks
terrible. And I'm not complaining about

1461
01:49:28,719 --> 01:49:35,040
Morante. I think they were fantastic.
They were very considerate everywhere

1462
01:49:32,719 --> 01:49:40,480
they went. I gave them bottles of water.
Um, I think that the infrastructure

1463
01:49:37,199 --> 01:49:45,920
committee did my home due diligence
because all of this mess is directly in

1464
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:49,760
front of my house. So, um,
one other thing, um, as far as the

1465
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:53,040
bricks, um, I do want to say that
there's going to be some public works

1466
01:49:51,679 --> 01:49:57,280
monies that you're going to have to pay
out with daily rates. A dollar a brick,

1467
01:49:55,760 --> 01:50:00,960
maybe think about that because that's
opportunity cost. They could be out

1468
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:05,679
pulling weeds around the police station
and elsewhere in the community where

1469
01:50:02,480 --> 01:50:09,760
they're overgrown. Um,
the bricks on Krenel, I think John, you

1470
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:14,639
addressed that earlier. They are
crumbling. It's kind of sad to see that.

1471
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:18,320
Um,
I came here with a lot of things to say.

1472
01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:25,760
I'm not really prepared because I kind
of just kind of rushed in here. Um,

1473
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:30,880
again, in front of my house, I think
gateway engineers did us a disservice.

1474
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:35,119
They told me no. Jim told me no.
Um the infrastructure committee, why did

1475
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:40,960
you stop? That is going to be my
question. Why did you decide to stop

1476
01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:44,719
short of somebody's driveway and stop at
my curb?

1477
01:50:42,719 --> 01:50:49,920
» Thanks, Crystal.
All right. So, we have

1478
01:50:47,679 --> 01:50:53,280
the recommendation to consider the
completion of Belvador Street for the

1479
01:50:51,679 --> 01:50:59,679
budget. So, that's a recommendation as
we go through this. um the addressing

1480
01:50:56,960 --> 01:51:07,119
the hump I guess where the brick meets
the asphalt on Belvadier and then um the

1481
01:51:04,639 --> 01:51:10,880
curb the curb or the water drainage and
and all those things if you want to

1482
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:15,520
address those
>> the hump in the road like was out there

1483
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:20,000
we saw it and we'll compare it with you
know pre-construction photos that's

1484
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:25,600
again that's a decision on the bureau's
behalf if you would want to

1485
01:51:24,639 --> 01:51:30,000
extends.
>> Oh, no. I I think it was where they met

1486
01:51:28,239 --> 01:51:33,360
where the asphallo is now meeting the
brick.

1487
01:51:31,199 --> 01:51:38,560
» Talking about there's a concrete header.
Um again, I we have not made it over to

1488
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:43,440
Beladier for the punch list. So, that is
still on the list. So, um we will be

1489
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:48,800
getting over there to to do that and
address um any concerns that are over

1490
01:51:46,159 --> 01:51:54,400
there that we can if we see significant
damage to the brick then due to

1491
01:51:51,440 --> 01:51:59,280
equipment you that would be get added to
the punch list for them to to repair.

1492
01:51:57,199 --> 01:52:02,719
So, I'd like to add too that when we did
go over amarante was not doing what they

1493
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:06,000
were supposed to be doing in certain
cases. um they weren't laying concrete

1494
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:09,280
the way they were supposed to be laying
and they weren't laying the curb the way

1495
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:14,400
they were supposed to be laying it which
we did stop them um and they did go back

1496
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:19,360
and put it in correctly.
>> So

1497
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:22,639
» So it was was it gateway or because did
we have gateway engineers there?

1498
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:27,760
» Well, we have inspectors but sometimes
they're on multiple jobs

1499
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:30,880
» and uh and they happen to not be at that
at that time at that very at that very

1500
01:52:29,679 --> 01:52:37,119
moment. So yeah.
>> So that would be the question of if they

1501
01:52:33,440 --> 01:52:41,599
know how to pour concrete, why why did
they not pour it correctly?

1502
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:43,920
» Great questions.
>> It's a great question. Um

1503
01:52:43,199 --> 01:52:48,800
» okay,
>> one of the areas um one of the sidewalk

1504
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:52,639
pads that was
prepared. They they did not have the the

1505
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:57,280
mesh in and they were that was
discussed. Um I was at another part of

1506
01:52:55,040 --> 01:53:03,840
the project when
I got asked by a crew member. Um, and

1507
01:53:00,159 --> 01:53:08,800
then that's when I I had went over um
another section of sidewalk that they

1508
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:14,000
were going to pour.
It wasn't prepped properly per the

1509
01:53:10,719 --> 01:53:19,040
contract. Um, so we did stop them from
doing that as well to make sure. Um, did

1510
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:24,719
have a discussion with the concrete
foreman um, who was on another part of

1511
01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:28,159
the project, you know, stating that it
was unacceptable. So, we did stop them

1512
01:53:26,480 --> 01:53:31,360
from pouring those and making sure that
it was done. Yeah,

1513
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:35,599
» correctly.
>> I'm going to have to step in and just

1514
01:53:33,199 --> 01:53:39,840
say that that there there are issues
with the contractor that we've been

1515
01:53:37,599 --> 01:53:43,840
dealing with under the contract and
there's potential

1516
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:47,679
uh litigation that could occur. So, I
don't think we should be working this

1517
01:53:46,239 --> 01:53:53,119
during the public meeting. If you would
like to talk to the resident afterwards,

1518
01:53:50,639 --> 01:53:56,159
etc., that's fine. But I I I got to tell
you not to not to do this on the mics

1519
01:53:55,440 --> 01:53:58,960
any longer.
>> Yeah.

1520
01:53:56,480 --> 01:54:04,560
» Okay. Okay.
Can I um speak to I think this is

1521
01:54:02,239 --> 01:54:08,639
separate. You can inform me the comment
about the boundaries of the project and

1522
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:13,360
how that was set.
>> Um certainly understand the frustration

1523
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:19,760
there and I know we spoke about this one
day out out walking. Um

1524
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:24,159
and and so you know the infrastructure
committee was was not

1525
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:28,800
was not the sole deciding factor there
when it comes to projects of that size

1526
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:32,639
and scale. you know, we reviewed it and
spent a lot of time developing um what

1527
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:37,040
the alternatives were and what the
options were and the costings were, but

1528
01:54:34,159 --> 01:54:41,760
the decisions went to council and it w
went through multiple rounds of review

1529
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:48,080
and refinement and discussion and and
ultimately um this did come down to how

1530
01:54:44,239 --> 01:54:51,840
much money we were we had. Um
I I certainly share the frustration. I

1531
01:54:50,480 --> 01:54:54,880
think a lot of us do. We would love to
have done more and we would love to have

1532
01:54:53,199 --> 01:54:59,679
done the whole street. that was
something that uh I know had come up um

1533
01:54:57,199 --> 01:55:02,719
even years before that and and there's a
lot of interest in doing that on

1534
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:09,760
Belvadier Street and in this particular
case we did have to focus on the sewer

1535
01:55:06,159 --> 01:55:14,480
separation project and we had um a lot
that we wanted to get done and the costs

1536
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:19,760
were very high and it did go through
multiple rounds of review trying to

1537
01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:26,000
figure out um amidst all of council um
how how we could get the necessary

1538
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:29,440
repairs to the sewer done um and still
make it fit into our budget. And that

1539
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:33,199
was that was basically the reason why
the the boundaries were set as they

1540
01:55:31,199 --> 01:55:39,520
were. Um
>> yeah, and I think from when I started to

1541
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:44,960
get involved on council, the stop was
prior right in the middle of Belvadier.

1542
01:55:41,679 --> 01:55:49,280
It was not the whole street. And I was
told that there's we have this is where

1543
01:55:47,679 --> 01:55:53,280
we're stopping based on the grant money
and everything else. So I've never heard

1544
01:55:51,119 --> 01:55:57,599
of it going past there. It could have
been the discussions prior to that, but

1545
01:55:55,040 --> 01:56:00,480
I've never heard it going past that
point.

1546
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:05,599
» That is where the extent of the sewer
separation project was, which is where

1547
01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:09,360
the extent of the
the the funding that we got from Alcasan

1548
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:13,440
ended. So, had we extended it further,
we would not have

1549
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:18,080
been able to get the same match money.
Um I I do recall conversations about

1550
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:21,760
trying to extend it further and those
conversations did not get very far

1551
01:56:19,679 --> 01:56:25,080
because we could not afford we couldn't
afford it.

1552
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:33,040
» Okay. So the request too was as we
consider our paving budget for next year

1553
01:56:30,239 --> 01:56:38,480
is to to consider Belvadier Street as
part of that. Um

1554
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:44,080
yeah then oh the comment about public
works um working on the bricks the

1555
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:50,159
separation of the bricks
I I I think we had said that frier

1556
01:56:47,199 --> 01:56:53,920
whoever was the ones that were coming to
>> separate the bricks yeah it's not public

1557
01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:57,360
» I think her point was just you know if
we were to start having public works go

1558
01:56:55,760 --> 01:57:04,320
down there to sort bricks that's
opportunity cost where they aren't uh

1559
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:10,400
» trimming the trimming the plants on
um you know on that corner that was

1560
01:57:06,239 --> 01:57:17,960
brought up earlier by the school etc. So
>> all right those were all them um anybody

1561
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:17,960
else? Linda

1562
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:35,040
» Linda Wniaak 1773 bar um what's the
format going to be for the crafted

1563
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:40,320
athletic field open houses the November
December. Is that a

1564
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:50,159
is that a presentation to us about
what's going to be done or are we still

1565
01:57:43,599 --> 01:57:54,159
in a talk back and forth mode? Um,
also when will the final decision be

1566
01:57:52,239 --> 01:57:57,920
made regarding the disposition of the
field? I've heard the end of the year.

1567
01:57:56,080 --> 01:58:02,560
That's when it was going to be finished.
Um, some people alluded to it might be

1568
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:07,360
early next year, but I'd like to know a
little bit more closely what the date

1569
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:12,080
would be. And also, um, what's the
funding ratio for each of our pension

1570
01:58:09,199 --> 01:58:18,800
plans right now? Um, especially since
we'll be moving to a new plan

1571
01:58:14,159 --> 01:58:25,679
hypothetically or possibly. Um, but I'd
like to know what that ratio is.

1572
01:58:22,239 --> 01:58:29,920
» All right. Um, the format for the open
house

1573
01:58:27,679 --> 01:58:33,920
Um, I don't think we have a we don't
have a we don't have knowledge of what

1574
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:37,520
the format will be at this time. Um,
most likely it's still a listening

1575
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:42,159
session. So, there's no it's not going
to be um something that's just going to

1576
01:58:40,159 --> 01:58:45,440
be presented as like this is a solution.
It's just going to be what we've heard

1577
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:51,280
and presenting back what we've heard is
my understanding. Um um but I don't

1578
01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:56,159
there's not going to be a um there's not
going to be a this is what is happening.

1579
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:58,719
Um and that is the choice and when that
happens I think it's the choice of

1580
01:58:57,280 --> 01:59:04,040
council beyond that
>> and that'll still be led by the

1581
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:04,040
comprehend

1582
01:59:08,080 --> 01:59:13,440
and their scope is intended to finish by
the end of December but they are not

1583
01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:17,119
responsible for choosing what happens
with that site. They are only

1584
01:59:14,719 --> 01:59:21,760
responsible for leading this process of
listening and gathering community ideas

1585
01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:28,800
and then putting together a report um
that combines what they heard and gives

1586
01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:32,400
us um you know some some different uh
summaries of what was heard and some of

1587
01:59:30,400 --> 01:59:36,400
the top ideas and trends that were heard
and combines that also with a little bit

1588
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:40,800
of market analysis of what is what is
viable. But um they they are that is

1589
01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:45,040
their entire scope. They are not
deciding um they will finish their scope

1590
01:59:43,599 --> 01:59:51,360
roughly end of this year but they are
not making any decisions um and no no

1591
01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:56,239
land sale will happen um as a part of
that.

1592
01:59:53,599 --> 02:00:00,000
It is informative for us and and more
importantly informative for the school

1593
01:59:58,000 --> 02:00:03,639
district since they own the largest part
of the property.

1594
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:10,960
And um the final or the funding ratio
for the pension plans

1595
02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:14,560
» uh both of the pension plans are funded
over 100%. Um so

1596
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:18,239
» they're overfunded at this point.
>> Yep.

1597
02:00:15,599 --> 02:00:22,080
» Um Linda, that's Yeah.
>> Did I use my three minutes?

1598
02:00:19,679 --> 02:00:26,560
» Doesn't matter. Yeah, we stopped.
>> Three minutes is

1599
02:00:23,119 --> 02:00:30,320
» we're not having Q&A. So
>> And yeah. And then as far as the timing

1600
02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:34,480
for Lynden, right, like you had said,
"Oh, end of year was kind of their

1601
02:00:32,719 --> 02:00:38,719
timeline for engaging with us in the
community and then giving us some

1602
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:44,480
artifacts and analysis to share with the
school board and um but ultimately like

1603
02:00:42,239 --> 02:00:50,639
the school board owns
um like the largest parcel there and

1604
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:54,320
it's kind of the you know it's a private
sale. They could they could go sell that

1605
02:00:52,159 --> 02:01:00,639
tomorrow and not wait on us if they felt
like it. Um obviously we're working

1606
02:00:57,280 --> 02:01:05,440
pretty hard and we have uh you know Mr.
Shrivever and other folks showing up to

1607
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meetings uh and engaging. So I I would
doubt that uh anything would happen

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before then. But um you know I don't
know that we have much control over the

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timing beyond
you know what we're trying to do for

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input sessions.

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» Correct. So, we're clarifying that p the
funding is 100% or better for pension.

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» Yes. Yep. Um I think uh I think um if
the last time I looked, the last report

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I remember 108 was for the um police
pens and pan pension plan and 118 was

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02:01:40,159 --> 02:01:46,960
the number for the uh but again that's
the last time I looked. Not not um

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02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:51,280
confirming that. I'd have to check the
numbers there. Yep. Okay.

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02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:56,639
All right. Anybody else?
>> Can I ask another question?

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02:01:53,440 --> 02:02:00,239
» Did I already use mine?
>> I just had another question.

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02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:03,679
» No, you used your time.
>> I didn't

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21 Warren Street.
>> No. Yeah, we only let people talk on

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time.
>> Oh, I didn't.

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» You can ask anybody question after the
meeting.

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02:02:16,320 --> 02:02:25,119
any Well, I guess it's just Ben or
>> Ken anybody

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02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:31,000
online? Okay. Nope. Okay. All right. It
is 9:03. Meeting adjourned. Thank you.