[0:00] We're calling the meeting to order. It
is 7:00.
[0:03] Um, our first item is our flag salute.
[0:09] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[0:14] republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:20] justice for all.
>> All right, a roll call. All right. Uh,
[0:25] Miss Bucker
>> here.
[0:27] » Miss Compatello
>> here. Mr. Ho
[0:30] » here.
>> Mr. Marks
[0:32] » here.
>> Mr. Oliverio
[0:34] » here.
>> Miss Palnik
[0:36] » here.
>> Mr. Waznjak
[0:37] » here. Uh, Mayor Perry
>> here.
[0:40] » Solicitor Corbal
>> I'm here.
[0:42] » Engineer Baker
>> here.
[0:44] » Uh, Chief Ward is not here. And I am We
do have a quorum.
[0:48] » Great. So our first item is our consent
agenda. So, we have the council meeting
[0:54] minutes for August 27th and also our
billist from September 10th. Looking for
[0:59] a motion to approve the September 10th,
2026 consent agenda pending billist
[1:05] approval by the burough president,
manager, and treasure.
[1:09] » Miss Bolenbacher.
>> Second.
[1:11] » Miss Pionic. Any questions or
discussion?
[1:17] » Hearing none. All in favor? I
>> opposed.
[1:22] Motion passes. Okay. Public comments on
agenda items. At this time, citizens may
[1:28] address the Craftenboroough Council on
any issue appearing on today's agenda.
[1:32] Only residents and taxpayers of the
Burough of Craftton will be permitted to
[1:36] address the council. Comments on
non-aggenda items will be taken at the
[1:40] end of tonight's meeting. Speakers will
be permitted to speak for a maximum of
[1:44] three minutes. Groups of people will be
required to designate a spokesperson to
[1:49] represent them before the council who
may speak for a maximum of 5 minutes.
[1:54] Council has the option to respond or not
at the end of the address. Our solicitor
[1:58] is this assigned timekeeper. Please
state your name and physical address for
[2:02] the record. Um so we have Charlene.
[2:13] » Um I have question about the streetscape
before you get started with the school
[2:22] before on Kraken Boulevard before the
school where you did last time and you
[2:27] had the plants along the between the
curb and the sidewalk.
[2:32] Are are they over the limit of what the
code says right now?
[2:38] » Go ahead.
>> Just go ahead.
[2:40] » Well, I I I think that it's too high.
It's to see if there's little children
[2:45] or dogs or whatever walking and
especially at the corner where the um at
[2:53] corner of Bradford
you're coming up Bradford you cannot see
[2:58] to the right
[3:03] and um so then my question I would like
that to be considered in the new
[3:11] part for the incredible school I I think
you should have high stuff near the
[3:16] sidewalls.
[3:21] And the next thing is
Lyndon. I just I had a
[3:30] thought about
my my son has he lives in Boston. He has
[3:36] his children in a school and they have a
community center which and there's a bus
[3:45] at the school that will take the kids to
the community center after school. Of
[3:49] course, it costs money and they have all
sorts of programs for the kids. They
[3:55] have music, they they have swimming,
they have um gym type things,
[4:04] things like that. I think that would be
nice for the kids to have an opportunity
[4:08] for, you know, when the whole the whole
land doesn't have to be used for that.
[4:12] Could be used for other things, too.
[4:18] » All right. So, we had a question about
the plants are too high um especially
[4:22] specifically at the corner of Bradford
um and have that considered for the
[4:27] school um or or for the grant from the
school to to the streetscaping.
[4:34] » Is there any because I know that that
was engineered for those plants and
[4:39] » trees. I think it's just something that
we'll have to review. We can we can
[4:42] certainly take a look at it as far as
the code part goes. Like I'm not
[4:46] » I'm not certain on that, but we can take
a look at the intersection.
[4:51] » Can I say something else?
>> Well, I I can I let me answer first and
[4:54] we can make sure that they're better
trimmed than they have been. Um they do
[4:58] need to be maintained. Um and we need to
make sure that they're properly
[5:02] maintained. We have struggled with that
recently. So, we're going to do what we
[5:06] can to make sure that that is more
properly maintained moving forward.
[5:11] » Can we do a practical test as well? uh
you know actually have
[5:17] you know what someone one of us or
somebody just drive down there and see
[5:20] what that feels like with somebody
along.
[5:22] » There's actually a sighteline distance
thing we can do too that four corners
[5:26] and stuff like that. So that's what he
was talking about.
[5:28] » Right. I understand that but I mean on a
practical basis as well because I think
[5:32] citizens are talking about practical
basis more than they're talking about
[5:35] » regulated sightelines.
>> Okay.
[5:42] » I do that every day. It's my corner.
>> Yeah.
[5:46] » Wait. I mean, and the corner mentioned
was Bradford and Craftton Boulevard,
[5:50] right? So, that's not part of the
streetscaping that's getting done,
[5:54] right? We're we're what we're doing now
is from like the playground to the
[5:59] playground.
>> No, but what she's saying is that's what
[6:01] was done. And if we do it, she's saying
it it shouldn't look exactly like what
[6:06] it looks like now is what she's saying.
>> Yeah.
[6:08] » Okay. put more thought into the type of
>> Well, and I I drive that regularly, too.
[6:14] Um, and yeah, the plants I don't have
issues with with sites, but the plants
[6:19] do grow. They have to get trimmed. We
have to make sure that they're trimmed
[6:21] regularly, and the
that'll all be considered as we do the
[6:26] the next phase as well, but the next
phase is really more about
[6:30] um improving the bus access. It's not
imply it's not intending to extend that
[6:36] same treatment down from a landscape's
perspective but um the comments are
[6:41] noted and will be considered in that
design.
[6:47] » All right. Um oh so anybody online
please raise your hand.
[6:58] » All right Sarah I'm going to go ahead
and allow you to talk. Feel free to
[7:01] unmute.
[7:04] All right. Can you confirm you can hear
me? All right.
[7:07] » Yes.
>> Yep, we can hear you.
[7:09] » Wonderful. Um, my name is Sarah
Fitzpatrick. I am a resident of Craftton
[7:13] and I live at 34 Hawthorne Avenue. Um,
this is in regards to one of the items
[7:20] on the engineer report for the project
on um, Craftton Boulevard and uh, Noble
[7:27] A. Um I think during the last council
meeting we had talked about at length
[7:34] about the uh intersection there and
basically like the danger it poses
[7:38] mostly to pedestrians, cyclists and
students trying to walk to work or walk
[7:43] walk to school. Um, and I noticed that
the item on the agenda is specifically
[7:48] to I think it's like a $1.3 million
project to completely modify that road
[7:55] and make it safer on like a uh longer
timeline. And I'm curious like what we
[8:02] are going to talk about on the agenda to
get something resolved quickly if that's
[8:07] on the agenda. Um and then furthermore,
there was an action taken to contact um
[8:14] all of the people on the town council
and the school board to try and get some
[8:19] more um like uh eyes looking at this
intersection for the safety. So, I did
[8:25] follow up with every person on the town
council, the town manager, and um the
[8:30] mayor. And unfortunately, I did not
receive a reply. And so I'm curious like
[8:35] on these items that show up on the
agenda, how can we as um constituents
[8:40] make sure that our voices are heard on
these matters of safety, especially when
[8:44] we're trying to get involved? Thank you.
>> Thank you, Sarah.
[8:52] » Okay. Does anybody want to respond or
>> Yeah, we can we can respond. We did um
[8:57] contact um Scott. We've talked to um uh
we have talked to um the engineers
[9:05] determined what the next best step is.
Um basically we did get confirmed that
[9:10] we do have to do a traffic study at that
intersection because of the way it's
[9:14] controlled. Um we are taking a basically
a simple approach of doing um there's a
[9:20] three tier process for the things that
have to be addressed. Um only one of
[9:25] those three things is likely to be um a
failure. um in at that intersection. So
[9:32] um really summaring summing them up very
quickly. One is how many people travel
[9:37] on the road a day. Um and that does not
meet that burden. And the second thing
[9:42] is how many accidents happen at that
there has to be at least five recorded
[9:46] accidents in the previous year to
warrant adding stop signs. Um so it's
[9:51] not going to meet that burden either. Um
the third burden is the most likely
[9:54] burden. So we're actually just having
them look at that first. Um and uh
[9:59] hopefully they're doing that in the next
couple weeks. We talked to they're doing
[10:02] it tomorrow.
>> Um and that is a sighteline distance. Um
[10:06] and if it fails that test, which we
anticipate it probably will, then we
[10:10] will have a study done on that. Um or at
least we'll have that brought to council
[10:15] so that it can be addressed. Um that
study is probably around $1,500. So it
[10:20] we'll just have to get it approved by
council. And then with the results of
[10:23] that study, we could add stop signs if
if it's appropriate. So,
[10:30] » so I have a question.
>> Can we can we do something faster than
[10:34] that? I mean, can we put in some sort of
a
[10:38] uh pedestrian crosswalking sign?
Something I mean, we have the signs that
[10:43] say uh you know, I mean, you must stop
for crosswalk, people in crosswalk. It's
[10:49] the law. I mean, they're just hold out
signs. I mean, can we do something like
[10:54] I know I Mike, we were talking about the
right up at uh Craftton
[10:59] Boulevard and the Clear View extension,
there's a big, you know, crosswalk point
[11:04] and D. This is a crosswalk.
>> There's a So, in lie of a traffic study
[11:09] to do signs
>> to to get to Sarah's point, can we get
[11:13] to something quicker? Is can we do
something?
[11:15] » We could probably add signage. We could
probably add signage. Yeah,
[11:17] » we mentioned the piano bars.
which yeah so we can start moving in the
[11:22] right direction here
>> that's already on the list to get done
[11:25] as well
>> so the process Jim that you mentioned
[11:27] sorry person um that is the I'm going to
say like the appropriate step she would
[11:32] take is that for stop sign installation
versus these other signs which I don't
[11:36] know what the
>> that's correct
[11:38] » okay so that's what I mean
>> that's changing the control of the
[11:40] question
>> I don't want to oversimplify signs but
[11:42] it seems like there are like a little
person walking like those are things we
[11:47] can put up as needed But to put in a
official stop sign that is where you
[11:52] have to go through those appropriate
steps. Exactly. Okay. I just wanted to
[11:55] make sure because I my first thought was
what is the timing? Could we do
[11:58] something quicker? So you can but to
change traffic flow official stop sign
[12:04] there is processes which I think we all
>> well keep in mind that's this is not a
[12:08] very slow process. This study will be
could be done weeks. The ordinance could
[12:12] be passed. You could have it adapted. It
could be installed in the next month.
[12:16] This isn't like a longterm process. So,
I hadn't intended to have put put signs
[12:20] there cuz there has been no accidents
there
[12:22] » and you know over I don't think I think
it was like the last seven or 10 years.
[12:26] » Yeah.
>> So, it's not you know it although
[12:29] there's been concern I think
>> let's do the thing that makes the most
[12:33] sense that's why I was going to do that
but we can put additional signs up if
[12:37] that's
>> Yeah. Know and I was just clarifying
[12:38] because I think a lot of times this is
just me projecting just people you know
[12:43] it feels like things should be instant.
So, I just wanted to make sure I
[12:45] understood there is a process to these
things versus we can do like you know
[12:49] said the piano keys or whatever they're
called. So, there are things but I just
[12:53] wanted to make sure I understood the
process.
[12:55] » Piano key is just a making sure
everyone's on the same page too is it's
[12:59] not like a decorative crosswalk. It's
just a name for a more visible a much
[13:03] more visible amount of paint on the
street. And we've also talked about
[13:06] looking
>> into um
[13:09] » because our our existing crosswalks
there are very faded and they're just
[13:12] very light bars. the um the type we're
talking about is much more a much larger
[13:19] amount of paint and it's more visible um
for from a longer distance. And we also
[13:24] are looking into what we can do um on
the on the paving from a standpoint of
[13:29] like painting school zone or school
slow, right?
[13:32] um which are all things that you know in
addition to signage um we can do without
[13:38] a study. And
um
[13:43] the that those things on the pavement
that are that are visible on the
[13:46] pavement have a much better track record
of being effective.
[13:51] There are many studies that show that
adding a sign if people are not already
[13:55] driving safely adding a sign they they
will just ignore another sign. Um, so it
[13:59] might make people feel like we've done
something, but statistically it doesn't
[14:02] really do anything.
>> Okay.
[14:04] » I mean, in painting on the ground feel
to me just feels like a sign on the
[14:07] ground. Not not to say that it isn't
helpful. It is good for visibility. All
[14:11] these things in aggregate are good,
>> which is is right. It is.
[14:15] » It is larger and more visible to
drivers.
[14:17] » For sure. But I mean, until we actually
have other traffic calming measures put
[14:22] into place, like there's still a good
chance that somebody could just ignore
[14:26] it and keep rolling. I mean, even stop
stop signs, I think, at least add a
[14:29] legal uh barrier where the police can
enforce some things and uh and whatnot,
[14:34] but I mean, is there not something we
could do?
[14:37] » I don't know how many times in the last
5 years, I think I've heard folks come
[14:41] here asking for temporary speed bumps or
like other things. And I don't know what
[14:45] we have in our control or I know
obviously we don't have things budgeted
[14:48] or something sitting down at public
works that I'm aware of, but I mean, are
[14:51] there not things we could deploy there?
Um, again, typically speed bumps are
[14:58] pretty you that's usually the last the
last step. You usually want to put any
[15:02] other the other control methods in first
for multiple reasons. It slows down
[15:06] other vehicles, slows down emergency
vehicles. It um it's not they they're
[15:11] expensive. Um they damage our vehicles.
You know, there's a lot of reasons not
[15:15] to put in speed bumps, which is why we
have a whole process for putting in
[15:18] speed bumps, which is first putting up
speed monitors. And typically, this
[15:22] isn't a problem of speed bumps. This is
a problem of blind corners. So, you
[15:25] could have a speed bump in, but if it's
not in the exact right place, it doesn't
[15:29] really matter. I think the best thing
you can do there is put a stop sign in,
[15:32] which is why we're attempting to go down
that route. Um, I think that's going to
[15:35] control the intersection better than
anything else we could do. Um, the other
[15:39] things are just, you know, really, to be
honest, are making people feel better,
[15:43] but they have very minimal effect.
>> That probably the the painting is
[15:47] probably the ne next most effective
tool. Um, and then signage is probably
[15:52] the le the next effective tool, but
again, not that, you know, pretty low on
[15:57] the effectiveness scale,
>> but a combination of
[16:00] » all three could be best case scenario.
Did Did we get any clarification on
[16:06] putting a stop sign on the side that we
thought was the city's side that's at
[16:10] the end of Black Bridge?
>> I haven't confirmed that yet. It does
[16:13] look like it's close enough that we
could probably get away with putting one
[16:17] in and say, "Whoops, we're sorry. We
thought it was ours." You know, it's
[16:21] it's close enough because I have a GIS
map that looks like it's clearly ours. I
[16:24] have a GS map that says it's not ours,
you know. So,
[16:28] » I don't know where the source of truth.
Did I ask you about this, Steve? Did I
[16:31] ask you for that map? I thought maybe I
asked you for a map.
[16:35] » There was a map where I asked for the
definitive I'll have to
[16:38] » Yeah.
>> See, I think I I think I did ask, but I
[16:41] I can't remember if it was about that or
about something similar, but I thought
[16:43] it was about where our definitive
property line was.
[16:46] » Oh. Oh. Oh, yeah. That's I know what you
mean. Yeah. Yeah.
[16:50] » Yeah.
>> But
[16:51] » that I I I needed to pull a paper file
and that's what I'm waiting on.
[16:57] » Okay.
>> Yeah. It's not on my
[17:01] » Yeah. Yeah. So, um so we might be able
to get away with just putting one in and
[17:05] Okay. You know, and saying, "Whoops.
Sorry. We thought it was our
[17:08] intersection." Yeah.
>> Because it's really unclear. I thought
[17:11] it was really clear on one map I looked
at, but then I looked at another map and
[17:14] it was
>> Well, it might be. It might be okay for
[17:16] us to do it. It might actually be our
thing to do. So,
[17:19] » I mean, the worst case scenario is they
get they say no.
[17:21] » Well, they listen to this video and
they're like, "Hey guys."
[17:23] » Yeah.
>> Oh, we don't know.
[17:25] » Well, and I mean I I think we've had
other reports too. It's interesting that
[17:28] like intersections where maybe we don't
maintain total control.
[17:31] » Yeah.
>> Popppler coming on to stare at as an
[17:34] example was another place where there's
a stop sign, but people are blowing it
[17:38] and and we're getting reports here in
council about it and it's just I don't
[17:41] know. Yeah, we should probably figure
out
[17:43] » Oh, we did call 31 multiple times. We
also called Theresa Kale Smith on that
[17:47] one. And they did put in they finally
did put in a stop bar. So, you know,
[17:53] sometimes it takes time, you know,
multiple requests.
[17:56] » So, to to Miss Fatrick though, I I did
receive your email. By the way, I
[18:01] apologize that I did not respond, but
there were, as you've just heard, a lot
[18:04] of
>> balls up in the air, and we were trying
[18:07] to figure out what the right response
was rather than just a hi, we received
[18:10] your email. We wanted to have something
a little more substantial to hopefully
[18:14] report on and we didn't until now. So,
>> okay. All right. Um, James,
[18:24] » go ahead. James,
>> uh, yes, James Mang 96 Star Street. Um,
[18:28] real quick, um, the podium mic seems to
be either really quiet or off because
[18:33] it's hard to hear when they speak. Um,
so just kind of note that. Um to
[18:39] Justin's point, uh thank you very much.
Yeah, like Stair Street, the stop bar
[18:43] doesn't seem to do much and like signage
is kind of weak. Um but to more agenda
[18:48] based items, um I would move to say that
we should keep and maintain Lynden to be
[18:53] um a part of the like a valuable part of
the uh community and so maintain it as
[19:00] as a park or like a benefit for those
who um live here and uh drive through.
[19:07] Um, that's basically it.
[19:14] » Real quick, James, can you hear me on
here?
[19:16] » Uh, better than Yeah.
>> Okay. It might just be like Make sure
[19:20] the mic is closeish to your mouth
whenever you're up here.
[19:23] » You're like, I'm sure.
>> It is an older mic. So,
[19:26] » good enough. Oh, and the um link on
Savvy takes you to a dead webinar, too,
[19:30] by the way.
>> Okay, we will check that.
[19:35] And uh stop bars and signs are yeah they
don't do much. I've seen that firsthand.
[19:40] So to uh Sarah's point, you know, um you
know, like
[19:47] something more concrete works uh better.
[19:56] All right. Thank you, James.
All right. Next is our president's
[20:01] report. Again, construction projects all
throughout the burrow. Um, everywhere
[20:06] you go, there's some construction.
There's going to be detours. They
[20:09] change. We have them out on Savvy
Citizen. Um, so the the movement of the
[20:14] construction is all around. So, just be
aware of that. And again, will be ending
[20:19] soon and we will have better better
infrastructure at the end.
[20:24] John, on that I I know I texted Mike
about this too, just to check in. Like,
[20:30] man, Stuben is rough right now. Like,
the the the trenching and then the rough
[20:36] patching they did is just absolutely
terrible. I don't know. I I guess the
[20:40] hope is that they'll come in and
actually finish things uh to make it
[20:44] look like a street, not a a war zone.
Um, but yeah, it's uh I didn't know if
[20:50] we wanted to comment specifically on
that section because it is bad
[20:53] » and they're going all the way down to
Thornberg Bridge. So, they're not even
[20:56] halfway there yet.
>> Nope.
[20:58] » Yeah.
>> And unfortunately, we have very little
[21:01] control over that. It is they are a
utility and they are doing what's bare
[21:07] minimum required and there's not much we
can say about it.
[21:10] » And North Emily was the same. It was
really bad until they do the base layer.
[21:16] Then on top of the base layer is the
final. So it's especially dark at night.
[21:22] You can't see it any of it. And it's
it's difficult. So that's happened with
[21:25] the broadhead project, too. And I'll
remind everybody that we asked them
[21:29] what, three, four times to go in with us
on the C20 project last year when they
[21:34] could have done it with us
>> and they refused three or four times.
[21:37] So, we tried to get it done so that it
wouldn't be an additional disruption.
[21:41] Right.
>> And and I understand in conversation
[21:45] with you that uh and I think you
mentioned at the last meeting that
[21:49] they've gotten um permission from uh
>> to increase
[21:53] » from the state to increase their hours
which um the other day when I was
[21:57] leaving town um traffic at like 8:30 in
the morning was backed up almost to 79
[22:05] trying to get through Craftton.
>> Yep. They were supposed to only be
[22:08] working 9:00 a.m. to 3 p.m. and then
they got Yeah. They got approved from 8
[22:14] to 4 by Pendot. So they
>> Yeah. Well,
[22:19] » we can complain to Pendot, but that's
about all we all we have.
[22:22] » Not going to do any good, but you know,
just just to remind people,
[22:25] » we can let them know that it's
>> Pendot. Yeah, that Pendot did it.
[22:28] » Yep. Pendot approved them. is their plan
because we paved the whole road. Are
[22:33] they going to just do the trench?
>> No. On a pendot road, they're required
[22:37] to pave the entire road all the way
across.
[22:40] » Good.
>> Right. I think
[22:41] » that's lane, right?
>> It depends on where they're at. It could
[22:44] be a full lane or it could be curb to
curb. It depends like and then there's
[22:48] distances required. So,
>> even with our project, you can do
[22:53] » when we were up one side of the road, we
only had to do just one lane to the
[22:57] center joint. Um, if you have any spurs
that come off, then you have to do curb
[23:02] to curb and it's like
15 or 20 feet on either side of the
[23:08] trench. So, like you get a little bit
more, it'll be curb to curb, but yeah,
[23:12] they have to mill that off and pave it
the same we did for C20.
[23:17] » Okay, good.
>> All right, mayor's report.
[23:20] » Yes. Well, tonight I'd um like to start
my remarks by um speaking a little bit
[23:26] about tomorrow's um 25th anniversary of
911. Um it's been a quarter century.
[23:34] Um but we do continue to remember the
nearly 3,000 lives that were lost that
[23:41] day in New York, at the Pentagon, and
here in Pennsylvania
[23:46] in a field near Shanksville. For us
Pennians, Shanksville really holds a
[23:51] particularly powerful place in that
memory. 40 passengers and the crew of
[23:57] Flight 93 faced
incredible circumstances and acted
[24:02] together.
Their courage prevented the hijacked
[24:06] plane from reaching its intended target
but cost them their lives.
[24:12] We remember too the first responders who
ran towards the danger, the families who
[24:18] lost someone they loved, and all those
whose lives were forever changed.
[24:24] 25 years later, September 11 asks
something of us beyond simply
[24:30] remembering a terrible day. It asked us
to remember the courage, the sacrifice,
[24:37] compassion, and sense of common purpose
that emerged from it. Tomorrow, I hope
[24:42] we will all take a moment to remember
and to honor those lives by carrying a
[24:48] little of that spirit forward. There's
so many of us that were not even alive
[24:54] when this happened. So, um I wanted to
mention that the American Legion Post um
[25:00] 82 in Carnegie will have their annual
ceremony of remembrance tomorrow at noon
[25:07] and the ceremony will be in front of
post uh of the post and the address is
[25:12] 421 Jane Street. Everyone is welcome and
free parking in the Legion lot.
[25:19] And u moving on um I wanted to um talk a
little bit about September being
[25:27] national um hunger action month.
It's a reminder that hunger and food
[25:34] insecurity aren't problems just
somewhere else. They affect people right
[25:38] here in our community.
Fortunately,
[25:44] our community craft
is a community that takes care
[25:50] and takes action.
For example, I want to commend um the
[25:56] Craftton Ingram food pantry at Craftton
United Presbyterian on Bradford B on
[26:02] Bradford
which is connected with the uh greater
[26:06] uh Pittsburgh food bank and it provides
ongoing help to more than a hundred
[26:10] families and individuals every month
from our two communities. Then there's
[26:15] the summer lunch program at the
elementary schools both here and in
[26:20] Carnegie and it's financially supported
by local organizations including um
[26:25] Craft and Ingram Rotary, St. John's um
Evangelical Lutheran Church in CargI,
[26:31] St. Paul's in Mount Lebanon and Alagany
Elks 331 along with many volunteers.
[26:39] They've provided over 30,000 meals to
our community um and
[26:47] put out thousands of weekend food bang
food uh food bags to our children since
[26:54] the uh program started in 2020. Also,
each year our Boy Scout troops um band
[27:00] together um to help stock the local
pantries um with their food drives.
[27:06] These are these are really just some of
the organized efforts that we see. There
[27:11] are also many quieter ones. The people
who donate food or money, volunteer
[27:17] their time, check on a neighbor, or
simply help someone who needs a hand. As
[27:22] we recognize September as hunger action
month in Craftton, I especially want to
[27:28] thank everyone who contributes their
time, their dollars, and their energies
[27:33] formally and informally to make sure our
neighbors have enough to eat. It's one
[27:39] of the ways that we take care of one
another as a community. Thank you.
[27:44] And on a m more mundane level, um I want
to remind everybody school's back in
[27:49] session. And I want to remind everyone
that the school buses now have the
[27:55] automatic uh cameras and they capture
violations uh when their lights are on
[28:00] and the stop sign is extended and the
penalties are pretty steep. So either
[28:06] find another way to go to work or make
sure that you pay attention to those.
[28:11] And then um also our uh police
department is going to once again be
[28:15] hosting another FBI leadership uh class
all next week at the community center.
[28:20] The class is full. There's going to be
40 participants. So expect um more cars
[28:26] in the lot and activity around the
center. This is a a real feather um in
[28:31] our cap to be able to be um hosting
hosting these and that also provides
[28:36] some free spots for our officers to
attend these classes. That's my report
[28:40] tonight.
>> Thank you, Miss Perry. Um, solicitor's
[28:44] report.
>> No public report this evening.
[28:47] » Manager's report, Mr. Price.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, first on the
[28:52] agenda, the salt contract. Um, we have
received one bid um from someone uh that
[28:57] is about um 30% lower than um what we
received or maybe not 30, I guess $30
[29:03] lower than what we received um from
Shikog. So, we may have an opportunity
[29:08] to go with that. Um, we are still not
confirmed on that. We're waiting for
[29:12] several other sources to come back. So,
we'll keep everybody posted. We have
[29:15] until October to make a decision on
whether we're going to be forced to go
[29:19] with the Shakehog uh contract. Looks
like we have at least one option to not
[29:23] go that way. So, um it's not the full
amount, but at least it's a partial
[29:27] amount. Should get us through to
December, in which case we can go out
[29:30] for bid again in January.
Um open staff positions. Uh we got to
[29:35] welcome uh Mason Wilkerson this week.
He's our new building code official. Um
[29:40] and uh he's fairly excited to be here.
So um if you have a chance to come
[29:44] through uh introduce yourself. Uh I know
the mayor met him today.
[29:48] » Um so uh he is digging in. Um so that's
the only update with that.
[29:54] » Um next thing uh no update with the 30
Elm Street demolition. Uh we do expect
[29:59] that it'll be uh completed by the end of
October, but that's not a change from
[30:03] the last meeting.
Um next item, we were um re frier right
[30:08] excavating reached out to us had heard
that we sold bricks to a salante last
[30:13] year. This is a contact from Stephen uh
from Steve who's the uh public works uh
[30:18] director over in Ingram. Uh he told us
to reach out to him. So I'm putting this
[30:24] uh I put the resolution together. It's
basically the same resolution as last
[30:27] time except for uh for fry right
excavating. Uh we do have estimated
[30:32] about 14,000 red street bricks um down
in our stockpile. Um we can sell up to
[30:38] technically it's actually 19,900
bricks. Um we have to keep the price
[30:43] under 2,000. Um so they've requested to
purchase 1,900 bricks from the burrow.
[30:50] Um, so with that, I'd like a motion to
approve resolution 2026-15
[30:55] permitting the bureau to sell uh 1999
red bricks to frier ex frier right
[31:02] excavating at a cost of uh $1999.
>> So moved.
[31:08] » Okay, Miss Bountick.
>> Second,
[31:10] » Mr. Marks. Any questions or discussion?
>> Yeah. Uh, who's Frier Wright Excavating?
[31:17] Uh they're a company that reached out to
to purchase bricks. I don't know them
[31:22] personally,
>> but are they they're doing work in
[31:24] Ingram, which is why Steve Yeah. So
these are for Ingram then?
[31:28] » These bricks are going to Ingram?
>> I'm actually not even 100% sure.
[31:31] » Oh, okay. Sorry.
>> Because it's it sounded to me it sounds
[31:34] like you just Steve.
>> He's the one who gave it to It's
[31:37] possible that they're going to Ingram,
but I I didn't even ask.
[31:41] » He had asked to do this and so I put it
on the agenda.
[31:44] » Okay. So we don't we don't know like I
mean last time we knew they're going to
[31:47] cargi we're kind of softened by the fact
that we're going to share them with
[31:50] another burrow. Um but we don't know
where these bricks are going to
[31:55] » um the other thing is um do you know
what the process is for what the process
[32:01] will be for getting the bricks? Um will
they be
[32:04] » they'll go down and pick them up?
>> They'll go pick them up one at a time. Y
[32:08] » uh so um
>> last time they were down there when Dave
[32:12] was down there and Dave helped them.
>> Yeah. So what what I'm what I'm
[32:15] concerned about is picking up a brick,
looking at it, throwing it aside, taking
[32:20] the good one, throwing another one back
or further in the pile and it leaves our
[32:24] leaves us with a bunch of of broken up
bricks wherever they toss them and
[32:28] they've taken good bricks. Um I'd like
to I'd like to really know what that
[32:32] process is that they're going to use to
to get bricks. That's I think it's
[32:37] basically exactly what you just said is
the process. We do have to go through we
[32:42] do have to spend time going through the
bricks and that's on the list of things
[32:44] for public works to do. Right.
>> Um but we have not done that yet. So
[32:48] yeah, that's essentially the process is
they're going to go through and look
[32:50] they'll sort through them themselves,
find 2,000 good bricks and take
[32:54] » Okay. All right. So that process to me
that process is a little bit like taking
[32:59] the you know taking the good bricks
throwing the other ones back in the pile
[33:03] and just getting them all mixed up for
what
[33:05] » well they're already all mixed up so
>> so um so
[33:08] » well um and also uh the dollar the price
a dollar a brick um is that a is that a
[33:16] like I mean a where did that value come
from?
[33:19] » Um that's what we suggested last time
and that's what we've been going with.
[33:24] No, there's no Yeah,
>> because a new brick is about $2 a brick,
[33:28] right?
>> No, new bricks are like Well, new bricks
[33:32] are difficult. They're depends on what
kind of brick you get. You know, I don't
[33:36] know the comparison to to brand new
bricks. Brand new bricks are actually
[33:39] tend to be cheaper,
>> but they're also not as high quality.
[33:42] So, you know, I don't I don't know what
a exact comparison is. That's what we
[33:46] sold them for last time. So, that's what
I was putting them on here for this
[33:49] time. I didn't do any
serious, you know, investigation around
[33:55] this.
>> Well, I myself have a hard time saying
[33:59] uh uh yay to this due to the fact that
uh we really don't know who far our
[34:06] right is. We don't know where the bricks
are going. We don't know if they're
[34:09] going to go to someone's personal
driveway, if they're going to go to
[34:11] another municipality. Um
>> I'm fairly certain they are going to
[34:15] road work. I just in
>> Well, we don't know that. And uh and we
[34:19] also, you know, I I we don't know how
the process is going to be. Is the
[34:25] process going to cause us more work,
less work? Um it those are just
[34:29] questions that I would it would be nice
if they if we had answers to um before
[34:35] we would before we would uh go ahead
with allowing this to proceed. Maybe we
[34:41] could get some of those answers uh
first.
[34:44] » Okay. Miss Compella,
>> we have 14,000 red bricks in our
[34:49] stockpile. Are is that true that they're
red bricks or is that just 14,000
[34:53] bricks?
>> 14,000. That's an assessment based on
[34:56] Dave's, you know, general uh look at it.
He assumes we have about 14,000 just red
[35:02] bricks. We have about 3,000 yellow
bricks. Um now again, all of these need
[35:08] to be gone through. They they've dumped
about four or five triacles down there
[35:13] from the projects. However, um they did
not do any prep work dumping those down
[35:19] there. And so, um and the way they
remove them, most likely half of them
[35:23] are damaged. Um so there's a good
there's a there's a good bit of work
[35:26] that needs to go into um you know,
re-evaluating
[35:30] how many are good and how many are not.
I don't have any assessment on that.
[35:34] » So, it's likely that you know 14,000 or
so estimate in our in our stockpile may
[35:40] be more like
7,000. No, that's that's his assessment
[35:45] of good bricks.
>> Yeah, that's his assessment of what are
[35:47] good bricks. There's probably 20 or
25,000
[35:51] » bricks down there.
>> I mean, I'm looking at the meeting notes
[35:53] from the April 10, 2025 meeting whenever
you the vote happened for the sale to a
[35:58] salante as the when engineer Keenan was
here, he said that the brick when they
[36:05] when Cente went down there, they
assessed that there'd be there was about
[36:08] 30 to 50,000 bricks down there at the
time.
[36:10] » Right. And this is what I'm saying.
That's why I'm saying there's probably
[36:13] 14,000 good bricks. There's a lot of
there's a lot that needs to be gone
[36:17] through down there, but we don't have we
don't have knowledge of exactly how many
[36:21] are down there.
>> Yeah, it doesn't seem like a priority.
[36:24] And I say that in the best way to
>> sort quality of brick. It's like on one
[36:30] hand like sitting on 50,000 bricks with
no reasonable idea on how many are good
[36:36] or bad is not doing anybody any favors
where you just have a pile of rocks. And
[36:41] it does also seems that as we've been
doing brick street repairs, it's not
[36:45] like things have been going in place uh
in the way people have been asking uh
[36:50] aka the colors and some of the other
stuff. So, I just Yeah, I I'm not sure
[36:55] that on one hand, uh, if they find 2,000
good bricks in there to sell, like,
[37:00] cool. It doesn't sound like we were
deploying them anyways. I'm not saying
[37:03] that's right or wrong. Um, you know,
maybe we could take some time and sort
[37:09] them and turn them into an asset that we
can have handy for repairs and putting
[37:14] things back in place. Um, on the other
hand, like selling 2,000 bricks may be
[37:19] the maybe half of the good bricks or
more for all we know. Um, and we may
[37:24] have none left after. So,
>> and remember there's a storage. We're
[37:28] storing them on our property. So,
they're sitting there on the property
[37:31] right now and this is an opportunity to
move 2,000 out because otherwise we're
[37:38] going to have to go through more. I I
mean
[37:41] otherwise we can hold them for another
hundred years.
[37:45] » So um perhaps part of it you can instead
of as Greg was worried about throwing
[37:50] them back on the pile that the ones that
aren't any good get to start another
[37:54] pile so they do a little bit of the
sorting work for us.
[37:57] » Yeah,
>> we can definitely ask them to do that.
[37:59] » It's not a bad idea.
>> Ask require.
[38:02] » We can Yeah, I I can I can require that
they do that.
[38:05] » If it's broken, don't throw it back in
the pile. Well, if you break it, you buy
[38:09] it.
>> Isn't that a general guarantee?
[38:12] » Yeah. I don't know if that's I mean, if
you pick it up, have you broken it? I
[38:15] don't know.
>> No, it's No, I'm talking if they toss it
[38:17] and it breaks. Oh, yeah. Not if you pick
it up and it's broken. That
[38:21] » have them make sure they put it in a
certain area so that we can bring a high
[38:24] lift in there and just get rid of all
the broken ones for clean fill or
[38:27] something.
>> Yeah, I can definitely require that they
[38:28] do.
>> I mean, we could try to scan a couple
[38:32] couple uh caps.
I personally have no problem selling
[38:37] 2,000 bricks. We have for if we have
even 10,000 red good bricks. We have no
[38:42] plan for them. They've been sitting
there forever. I really don't personally
[38:46] don't care if it's going to Ingram. If
it's going to someone's personal
[38:49] driveway, I don't care if someone wants
to buy them, if someone wants to use
[38:54] them. We have them sitting in a pile.
They've been there for how long? So,
[38:58] personally, I don't care. I I say sell
them the bricks and say thank you.
[39:04] Do we know how many red brick roads we
have? I mean, like
[39:07] » we have four miles of brick roads. I
don't know how many are red
[39:10] » because I was going to say what what
what is our future needs potentially?
[39:13] » I don't know.
>> So,
[39:18] » all right. Um, we have a motion on the
table. Um, all in favor
[39:23] » I
>> opposed. No.
[39:25] » No.
>> No.
[39:26] » So, motion passes.
>> Oh, no. Who were those? Marks. Marks
[39:31] Waznjak. And who?
>> Kirsten. Did you say no?
[39:34] » Oh, you said no.
>> Yeah. So, it was three and three.
[39:36] » Four and three.
>> Oh, four and three. I'm sorry.
[39:38] » Four and three. Yeah.
>> All right.
[39:43] » Mayor was getting excited for a second.
[39:49] » I just wanted to make sure that it
didn't like it.
[39:51] » We'd be having another meeting.
>> All right. The next item on my agenda,
[39:57] uh the uh minimum municipal pension
obligation. Um this is the deposit that
[40:02] we have to make in retirement accounts
every year. Um the requirement for the
[40:07] 2027 police pension fund is $155,000.
Uh $155,392.
[40:15] Um for the non-uniform pension fund,
it's $100,583.
[40:20] Um, so with that, I'd like a motion to
approve resolution 2026-14
[40:25] adopting the 2027 minimum municipal
pension obligation amount of 155,392
[40:33] for the police pension fund and $100,583
into the non-uniform pension fund. And
[40:40] these are included in the budget, just
so you know. Um, uh, they're already
[40:45] baked into the budget.
>> So moved.
[40:48] » Second,
>> Mr. Ho. Second, Miss Compello. Any
[40:51] questions or discussion?
[40:56] Hearing none. All in favor?
>> I
[40:58] » opposed.
Motion passes.
[41:02] » And uh that uh other than just the
budget schedule, the budget workshop
[41:07] schedule. We did have a budget workshop
today starting at 6 p.m. Um and we will
[41:12] continue to have them through the rest
of the year.
[41:15] » All right.
>> And that's all my updates. Thanks.
[41:18] engineers report. Mr. Baker.
>> All right. Thank you. So, the Broadhead
[41:21] Sewer Separation Project um over the
past couple weeks um they have been
[41:28] performing the bottle wearing course
paving um on Park Velvetier Rebecca
[41:36] um portion of Broadhead from Krenell
down to Rebecca. Um
[41:44] North Emily uh milled have binder in
place. Um they're going to do one last
[41:49] trip back hopefully in a few weeks to
finish out the rest of the paving um
[41:55] because they still need to install curb
on North Emily from Coulter to Park. So
[41:59] it's to begin next week. Um we did start
a punch list um have half of the project
[42:09] walkth through um issued that initial or
say partial punch list to the
[42:15] contractor. Um it's a pretty significant
list. So um we're going to work on
[42:20] getting the rest of that finished here
um within the next week.
[42:26] » Can I can I ask a question? I did see um
in the last day or so an email from
[42:33] Brian Vertz.
>> Yes. And we got that yesterday
[42:35] afternoon. Yep.
>> Okay. Has anyone addressed
[42:39] » No, I was planning we had to uh talk
today. I was working on the budget stuff
[42:43] today. I meant to email him earlier
today. I did not have a chance to do
[42:46] that. So, um, we are planning to meet
with him. Um, but I have not contacted
[42:51] him yet. So, that's on me.
>> Okay.
[42:52] » Yep. Thank you.
>> Yep.
[42:53] » Yep.
[42:56] » Any other questions?
>> Okay. The Pine Street sewer project. Um,
[43:03] we are currently out to bid. Um,
mandatory free bid September 15th on
[43:08] Tuesday. Um, open bids on October 15th.
Um we have made a provision um in the
[43:15] contract that contractors need to use
Rushway and alley A um to access to keep
[43:22] the construction traffic off of um Bar
and uh Clear View. Um so we do have
[43:31] that. They would likely be posting no
parking signs in those so they can have
[43:36] full clear access to get their trucks
and everything through there. So we did
[43:40] make that provision.
[43:45] Um the 2026 graft and sewer system
repairs uh on and m they have completed
[43:51] all the lining work that is done. They
are working on our the punch list that
[43:55] we had initially sent them to get stuff
cleaned up in RETV. So um they're
[44:01] working through that now. Um so and M is
essentially done. Great punch list.
[44:09] Great.
Noble Lynwood Park. Uh I know the last
[44:13] time uh last meeting we discussed uh
cost, the design, the alternates. Um
[44:22] and we discussed the midblock crossing.
Um so do have uh talk with our traffic
[44:28] folks. So, for the midblock crossing,
um, you would need 40 people per hour
[44:36] and
no crosswalks at an intersection within
[44:41] 300 ft. So, you have 250 approximately
in one direction and 160 in the other.
[44:49] Um, so
we could still even if you did the study
[44:55] and you get the 40 people in an hour and
you submit it to Pendot, they can still
[45:01] shut it down because you have crosswalks
at adjacent intersections. Um, and then
[45:08] I know we talked about potentially
moving it up to Sydney. Um, our
[45:14] recommendation would be to not install
that at Sydney because that is a sharp
[45:18] curve. Um, and kind of sight line type
thing. There are utility poles there. I
[45:24] mean, we can review that and check it,
but I think as far as us, Gateway does
[45:29] not recommend
installing that at the at the vend.
[45:39] And we do have a little more work to do.
um uh with we have to work on getting uh
[45:45] um the at the the administrative office
has to work on getting uh doing the
[45:49] co-star orders before we can go out to
bid on that finally. So
[45:52] » So is the um
upshot of that that it's not likely that
[45:58] we're going to get that crosswalk.
>> We're not getting that crosswalk on.
[46:01] » Yeah, we advised to just let it go and
to uh to not let to basically not
[46:07] repaint it. Um,
>> does that mean I remember see the design
[46:12] that we had for it? Does that will we
see a revised? I'm just curious. I feel
[46:16] like
>> Yeah, there is some cost savings because
[46:18] there's two uh large concrete slabs.
>> I remember it felt like very intentional
[46:23] about the ADA point of that. So, just
curious on what that revision might look
[46:28] like and save those costs.
>> Yeah, we can bring it back to the next
[46:31] meeting.
>> Okay. Just curious.
[46:32] » I can go over it if you're not going to
be here. Yeah.
[46:34] » Okay. So, this will fall outside of the
bounds of that particular project, but
[46:39] since we're not able to keep and upgrade
that midblock crossing, um let's add to
[46:46] the infrastructure committee meeting the
next one where we can improve the
[46:50] existing crosswalks at the next
intersections.
[46:52] » Okay.
[47:05] Okay. Um,
people's gas line replacement that's
[47:09] discussed um ongoing um slow moving.
They did get approved um from 8 to 4
[47:17] Monday through Friday. Um as they get
down closer towards um Duncan and
[47:25] towards the Thornberg Bridge, detours
will get posted. So, um, get through.
[47:30] We'll double check that, make sure that
they are getting their detours posted.
[47:36] » Weren't we talking about uh the traffic
on Duncan and how we were going to
[47:41] handle that?
>> Um, how so?
[47:46] » Because I thought we we got feedback
from folks uh given, you know, Duncan
[47:50] coming off of Stuben's one way, Duncan
coming.
[47:53] » We've already Oh, we already changed
that. Okay. Yeah, that was cool. Weeks
[47:56] ago. Yep.
>> Yeah.
[47:58] Cool.
>> All right, that was my question.
[48:03] » Um, the Craftton Boulevard improvements,
the LSA grants. Um,
[48:09] no real update with that one.
>> Yeah, no real update with the next two
[48:12] at all.
>> Um,
[48:17] yeah, the the Craftton Elementary
streetscaping project. Um,
[48:22] currently working on getting those items
separated out what's in the city. So
[48:26] just kind of want to review I think
review that with the infrastructure
[48:30] committee um before we finalize that to
make sure that moving forward in the
[48:35] direction that was proposed. It's been
quite a few years. So
[48:40] » can we just also clarify since there's
not detail on it. Item F that you just
[48:45] mentioned, the Captain Boulevard
improvements LSA grant. Um the extension
[48:49] that was approved, that was funding from
several years back that was in part of
[48:54] the project that did the streetscape
further up Craftton Boulevard and there
[48:57] was some funding left for um some
landscaping and some and some work, some
[49:04] lighting that we were able to do with
other funding. So there there was some
[49:08] funding left and it's not a large
amount. And because we're now into item
[49:12] G also with Craftton
larger new funding for the Craftton
[49:16] Elementary Boulevard streetscaping
project, that remaining funding for um
[49:22] some landscaping improvements listed in
item F that extension was improve was
[49:28] approved so that we can bundle both
efforts together and do something
[49:33] consistent.
>> It Yeah, it's really not getting bundled
[49:36] together. We're basically doing adding
the four
[49:39] » planning it together.
>> Yeah, we're adding the four lights. I
[49:43] don't know that we're really planning it
together either, just so I just want to
[49:46] be clear. We're basically adding the
four lights.
[49:49] » We're adding the EV charger in the uh in
the school parking lot and then the
[49:53] trees that were required up further. And
that's really it.
[49:57] » That's what's getting done with that.
There's no planning with the other
[50:00] project.
I mean, it's
[50:02] » we were trying to make sure that they
that they were not going to
[50:07] » inconsistencies, but I I just wanted to
clarify because they're both they're
[50:10] called Craft and Boulevard and one just
says nothing happening and the other I
[50:14] just wanted to clarify what the
difference is between the two.
[50:17] » Okay. Yep. Yep. Yep.
>> So, I have one question. We during the
[50:21] uh um Delusio um uh check presentation,
there was a little bit of of asking
[50:27] about like when shovels would be in the
ground for this. And I and I think uh
[50:32] one politician didn't know and other
people it was it was a mixup. So do we
[50:37] have do we have a any idea of what the
shovels in? Okay.
[50:42] » We don't and there's a there's a good
reason for that. So this is a community
[50:45] project funding. This is basically um
these are basically congressional
[50:49] earmarks.
>> Okay.
[50:50] » Um and so the first thing that has to
happen is they have to give the guidance
[50:54] to the state. They've now given the
guidance to the state and basically
[50:59] depending on what department it relates
to in this case it depart relates to DOT
[51:04] department of transportation at the
state I mean at the federal level they
[51:07] gave it to PENDOT PennDOT said they
didn't have the capacity to deal with it
[51:11] so they're going out to request to get a
uh to get a um a consultant who's going
[51:17] to manage the program and as far as I
know they don't have one yet. Do you
[51:20] know different yet?
>> I do not know any different.
[51:22] » Yeah. Yep. And so we're basically
waiting on the state to act to basically
[51:26] make to basically set up the program so
that we can get our money. Um and and we
[51:32] don't get our money first either. We
basically just get a contract first and
[51:35] that allows us to go out and do the work
and then come back and get our money. Um
[51:39] but um so we don't we're just kind of in
limbo waiting for them. And uh we were
[51:43] awarded this money in like February of
25 or March of 25. I mean 26. Was it
[51:51] this year? early this year. Sorry, I
thought it was last year. It feels like
[51:55] a long time.
>> I thought it was last year,
[51:57] » but um so we don't we
>> so we don't know sho so like and I'm
[52:01] just trying to think about what we
talked about in front of the school. We
[52:04] weren't sure about shovels in the ground
in 27 or 28 in was really not sure. No,
[52:11] because we still don't because until
that gets until that happens, we don't
[52:14] have any knowledge of when what the
requirements will be
[52:18] » and federal grants depending on
>> the last CPF grant we had did not go
[52:23] through any state agencies and we had to
go directly through the federal
[52:27] government and going directly through
the federal government is incredibly
[52:31] difficult. the levels of of because they
typically do very large grants in the
[52:35] millions of dollars, multi, you know,
hundred, you know, tens and tens of
[52:39] millions, hundreds of millions. Um, so
their process is very extensive um to
[52:45] make sure that nobody is taking
advantage of anything. Um, so it's I'm
[52:50] glad they're not going through the
federal government directly, but I don't
[52:53] know how the state is going to set it
up. So we're really kind of in limbo
[52:57] until they set it up. And so we
initially thought we were going to be
[53:00] able to go out next year. So we probably
initially told people 27 and then as
[53:05] things kept getting pushed back, we
didn't have any information. Now we just
[53:08] we don't know.
>> Yeah. Because we still have to do final
[53:10] design plans. Um all that needs done,
solicit bids and but we don't want to
[53:16] start any final design until we have a
contract. So I I think that's where
[53:20] we're we're at. Once we get assigned
contracts, then we can move forward with
[53:25] final design because we also gonna have
to go through the city of Pittsburgh as
[53:29] well. So, there's permitting that has to
go,
[53:31] » right? There's three there's also three
agencies involved. So, in top of it, so
[53:35] it already exposes it down even more
because you have three bodies that are
[53:38] working on it, the school district, us
and the burough school.
[53:43] So, I mean, it's pretty confident. You
can pretty confidently say it's not
[53:46] likely that shovels hit dirt next year
and it could be two or three or four
[53:53] years out.
>> I would say it's most likely 28, but I
[53:55] don't want to,
>> right? But I'm saying we can pretty
[53:57] confidently say
>> not 27,
[54:00] » probably not in 27. There'll be all
kinds of other conversations and things
[54:05] going on, but it won't be shovels on the
ground. And I'm guessing the school
[54:09] district would ideally like to do it
when school's not in session.
[54:11] » Yeah, that's that's what um
>> right. So
[54:14] » that's what they said that day.
>> Yeah. So you have a limited a more
[54:17] limited now you're narrowing it down to
a three-month period. So
[54:22] » So my kids will be in high school by the
time.
[54:26] » Yeah, they might. Yeah, one of them
might be the engineer doing the
[54:31] » You never know. It was always on.
>> My daughter is in sixth grade and I
[54:36] asked for this starting
>> too late for her
[54:38] » back in first grade.
>> Too late for her.
[54:45] » All right. Um the So the brick street
repairs um the work is complete. The
[54:51] change order was accepted. So we've been
waiting until broadhead gets cleaned up
[54:55] before we get him back out there to to
finish. So we're still looking at
[54:58] October. No change there.
um road paving. Um
[55:04] » so that's for the Cornell repairs. Yes.
The three four repairs on Cornel.
[55:09] » Yes. And it's the brick uh street repair
contractor Angelo Cente who's performing
[55:14] that work. And keep in mind that is not
the brick work that is touched in the
[55:19] trench. That is still the responsibility
of the original contractor to do that.
[55:23] This is just the stuff that's outside of
the trench repair
[55:26] » that we talked about the last meeting.
Three items.
[55:28] » Yeah.
um road paving. Um the fountain and
[55:33] Lynwood Park Alley. Um Alex Paris was
the base bid that was accepted. Um
[55:39] preparing the schedule. Contracts were
signed. Um got those executed. Uh trying
[55:45] to set up the precon next week. Uh which
we should get an idea of when they would
[55:51] be out here to to do that those two
streets.
[55:57] Um,
and we have covered the the paving on
[56:01] Broadhead earlier. Um, and street per
permits received. Jim, have you received
[56:08] any?
>> Um, no, I have not received any.
[56:13] » That's all I have.
>> All right. Thank you, Mr. Baker.
[56:18] Community and Economic Development
Director's Report. Mr. Price.
[56:21] » Um, no update on 82 Belvadier at this
time. Hopefully I will have a solid
[56:26] update next time. Um, so nothing to
update there. Um, I don't have an update
[56:31] on the Trico Land Bank property. Um,
unless you want to update anything,
[56:36] Craig?
>> Yeah, I uh, as promised um, I did a a
[56:40] uh, study um, on those four properties
and uh, I pretty did a pretty deep dive.
[56:46] I shared it with everybody. I I don't
know if you all got a chance to to look
[56:50] at it or not. U, you can shake your head
yes or no. Right. But anyway, um I
[56:56] looked through um in a lot of detail.
I've been working on this for a while.
[57:01] Um um kind of like it hit hit the road
running uh after the last meeting when I
[57:06] promised I were going to do it. So uh I
did it. I shared it with everybody. Um
[57:13] the what I'm finding in the study and
hopefully uh you guys had a chance to
[57:19] read it. Um it is looking it is looking
like you know we looked at we looked at
[57:23] all it the study looks at you know
mainly three possibilities and and down
[57:29] to really two and it's con uh
servtorship versus a tripod land bank
[57:34] and it's not it's not saying do one or
the other but what it does is that it
[57:38] does introduce a whole new concept of a
conservatorship being split duty that
[57:45] the pharaoh is the petitioner and then
we get a conserv conservator to handle
[57:51] the um the conservatorship part of it
which is which is the heavy lifting part
[57:58] of burrow personnel. Um so it in doing
that in looking in going through uh the
[58:06] analysis um that I did and um that it it
it appears that we if we would go that
[58:14] route we could still be able to keep
burrow staff time low. Um
[58:22] uh there are risk. It's all in the
report what the risks are and things
[58:26] like that. I mean I didn't skip over any
of that stuff. I addressed all that
[58:30] stuff. It's all in the it's all in this
report. Um but it does but it does look
[58:36] like that, you know, with that um shared
responsibility of uh uh petitioner and
[58:42] conservatorship that um we could greatly
reduce the amount of burough staff time
[58:49] that would be required. Um so um with
all that um I shared it with everybody.
[58:57] I was um I I think that the it it it
brings to light a lot a lot of different
[59:05] things that we did we did not discuss
early on or we did not have total good
[59:12] information on early on. I had Steve go
out and get brand new uh numbers as far
[59:18] as back taxes and stuff like that. So
with that, I would like to I would like
[59:24] to uh make a motion that um because we
are up against the or maybe I should
[59:30] talk to Steve first that we upper we're
up against um a timeline a time uh
[59:37] deadline now of September 22nd which is
prior to the next meeting which would
[59:45] mean that if we were going to take any
kind of an action that we wouldn't have
[59:50] a meeting in between that timeline to
take any kind of an action. So, uh I
[59:56] would like to make a motion that we that
we uh ask for an extension to this uh uh
[1:00:04] objection deadline. uh asked for like a
90-day extension to that so that we
[1:00:10] would have uh more time as a burrow
council to do our due diligence and to
[1:00:17] um go through these other processes that
are being recommended and um have uh
[1:00:25] more concrete uh numbers um than um what
we were that we had before before this
[1:00:34] um petition. So with that, I don't know
if I how is that did I do that motion
[1:00:39] correctly or
>> Well, it's it's it because it's not on
[1:00:44] the agenda, you have to make a motion to
amend the agenda to add that motion.
[1:00:49] » Oh, okay.
>> That would be the first hurdle. Second
[1:00:51] hurdle is the actual motion itself.
>> Okay. So, I'd like to make a motion to
[1:00:59] » amend
>> amend the agenda to add a motion. Yes.
[1:01:05] » Referring to the Tricot Land Bank.
>> So move
[1:01:10] » deadline.
>> Yep. Second.
[1:01:12] » Okay. So Kirsten and um Justin, any
discussion or questions?
[1:01:18] » So Greg, what's the out
we haven't done anything through the
[1:01:23] Triog land bank yet?
>> No.
[1:01:26] And
I think it's important that we do at
[1:01:30] least
one of the uh less promising
[1:01:36] South Gra 64 South Graan View as an
example um properties that we don't
[1:01:40] think the burrow could take on right
because of the extent of the damage.
[1:01:44] » We're not motioning
>> to have the agenda and the agenda.
[1:01:48] » We can still talk about
>> you're allowed you're allowed to talk
[1:01:51] now that the motions have been made.
Okay. So, first and second for sure.
[1:01:55] Okay.
>> Yeah. We're not we're not voting on the
[1:01:57] motion to motion to delay things. We're
just talking about the possibility of
[1:02:02] adding it to the agenda.
>> We haven't made a motion yet to request
[1:02:06] the extension. Correct. We just made the
motion
[1:02:09] » to amend the
>> to amend the agenda.
[1:02:11] » So, I guess you really should be
discussing the amending of the agenda.
[1:02:13] So, if you want to approve if you guys
want to approve amending the agenda,
[1:02:16] » we haven't voted on amending the agenda
yet.
[1:02:18] » Yeah. So we could finalize that vote and
then discuss the next step.
[1:02:22] » We can discuss before the vote
>> the agenda. We have a conversation on
[1:02:25] why we don't want to amend the agenda.
>> This is related. I would like to
[1:02:28] understand why we're amending the
agenda. I just want to know what the
[1:02:32] intent is. I'm okay with extending
things, but we we can re-evaluate.
[1:02:39] I'll be honest, Greg, 39 pages is
killing me. I read the executive review.
[1:02:44] I did that and I maybe I looked at the
second the table afterwards where you
[1:02:47] compared some results and stuff and
that's all good and fine. Um and I saw
[1:02:52] Jim's reply with some of you know his
context here. I just want to know what
[1:02:56] the hope is like if we extend this
so that we have another meet to where
[1:03:01] we'll vote on this the next meeting.
Yeah. um is the hope
[1:03:06] » I would like to add I would like to add
one thing into this um and that is I did
[1:03:10] have a conversation with Mora Burgess
today about 11 Fountain Street um and I
[1:03:16] think that is a better test case if
we're going to use this split process I
[1:03:21] would again recommend that we allow all
four of these properties to go through
[1:03:24] the land bank to see how that process
works out for the bureau and that we use
[1:03:29] 11 Fountain Street as a test case and
other test case for the conservatorship
[1:03:33] because we have still not even gotten
through one test case with
[1:03:36] conservatorship because of challenges
that were met and it, you know, maybe
[1:03:40] wasn't done the best way. Um, and so,
you know, we're still learning. So, I I
[1:03:46] do I I don't want to, you know, as the
person who has to manage the process,
[1:03:51] take on two or three of these at this
time. Um, even just even if we're only
[1:03:56] partnering with somebody because we
still have to manage that process. I
[1:03:59] just don't think we're prepared for
that. um especially with three new
[1:04:02] employees coming on, none of who have
done conservatorships. Um and so I think
[1:04:07] we're still in a learning process at
this point. Um but that's my
[1:04:11] recommendation.
>> So I have a since we're apparently
[1:04:14] discussing the whole thing now and not
just the amendment to the motion,
[1:04:18] amendment to the agenda. Um
>> is that right? Presumably,
[1:04:21] » I mean technically we should focus on
the amending and the amended underlying
[1:04:26] issue, but I understand why
>> someone would want to understand the
[1:04:31] purpose of the amending. So,
>> um it's really up to the chair to decide
[1:04:36] if you want to continue.
>> Yeah, then we can continue on that leg.
[1:04:40] » Because of that, it's in his hands and
he said you can continue.
[1:04:45] I I I don't mind proceeding to the vote
on the first part either, but um yeah,
[1:04:49] presumably as we move on to the reason
why we might be amending the agenda,
[1:04:55] » um we can if we request an extension
that
[1:05:04] puts the decision in their hands to
either agree or not agree, but just
[1:05:09] simply making the request does not
invalidate anything for
[1:05:15] Does it invalidate something for them?
Can they just say, "You know what?
[1:05:17] Forget it. This isn't worth it."
>> I have no I mean I don't without
[1:05:23] question. Is there a risk to simply
asking if they're okay giving an
[1:05:26] extension? Is there anything worse that
can happen than they say no?
[1:05:32] » They could they decide not to take the
properties and then in which case we're
[1:05:35] back to four properties that are
blighted that we have no plan for. Now
[1:05:40] » I I think I don't think there's a risk
of that. I think the only the only
[1:05:44] possible risk might be if they budgeted
something in this year and they're
[1:05:47] expecting it to be happening in this
year. I have but I don't have I don't
[1:05:51] have any knowledge of that. I don't I
wouldn't anticipate that they would be
[1:05:55] » um you know ret
I wouldn't anticipate that but I don't
[1:06:01] » Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know you know
>> maybe they are I have no idea but I
[1:06:05] don't I wouldn't anticipate that.
>> Yeah. and and and and and the study
[1:06:09] doesn't show that, you know, get rid of
all it. It's just like look at them and
[1:06:13] say maybe maybe one works better this
way, one works better the other way. And
[1:06:17] and and it's the extension is just the
>> the the
[1:06:23] ask to be able to give this a little bit
of a deeper dive of of what we came up
[1:06:28] with here. and just if they will give us
an extension just to say, "Hey, listen,
[1:06:33] let let us do a little bit of more
in-depth re review of this that we
[1:06:38] didn't have an opportunity to do until
now."
[1:06:43] » This might be something um we don't have
the answer to. If we ask and they say
[1:06:49] no, does that mean kind of feels all
gray and confusing right now in my
[1:06:53] brain. At the next meeting, we have to
make a decision. No,
[1:06:57] » we've already you have to make a
decision. The decision was made already.
[1:07:00] » Yes, I remember.
>> Yeah,
[1:07:02] » but isn't it that that's we had this
timeline to review the
[1:07:05] » Yes,
>> it's for basically to file your concerns
[1:07:09] or to register your
>> concern. Yeah, because the letter says
[1:07:12] within 60 days of this notice, we would
have to notify the land bank in writing,
[1:07:16] if we object to the acquisition by a
super supermajority vote, the land bank
[1:07:21] shall not acquire central property,
>> right? Which is six votes of not
[1:07:27] acquiring. But that that ends before our
next council vote. So we've already
[1:07:32] » taken the decision to proceed. If we
choose to with if we choose to back off
[1:07:37] and say that we want to take any of
these out of consideration, right, we
[1:07:40] would have to do that
>> by the deadline which is before our next
[1:07:44] council.
>> So So back to the question I guess I had
[1:07:48] for Greg. Of the four properties we have
on here, which ones are we thinking
[1:07:52] we'll challenge? I think I think
>> all of them because we want to delay and
[1:07:56] evaluate with the framework or is there
one you had specifically in mind?
[1:08:00] » No, no, I I think we should discuss
that. I think we did we did our due
[1:08:04] diligence now. We got a lot of the
information. I think now we we don't
[1:08:09] we're not asking to remove any of these
from the land bank. We're just asking
[1:08:12] the land bank for give us a little bit
more time to look at it so that we can
[1:08:17] do do our due diligence as a as a burrow
council and say hey you know it our due
[1:08:25] diligence may be hey all we want to
stick all four with the land bank but
[1:08:30] but right now we had nothing to go on
until we finished some sort of a some
[1:08:35] sort of a due diligence report.
So, uh, we didn't even know what the
[1:08:40] back taxes were up until last week or
the week up until Steve got them for us.
[1:08:47] I mean, so, so now we know what the back
taxes are. Now, we know what what we're
[1:08:54] what the back taxes are that we would be
relinquishing if we went with the land
[1:08:59] bank. And it might be a good thing. It
might be say we might say that yeah it's
[1:09:03] worth doing that because this property
is such a risky property or it's not.
[1:09:08] The situation is that we did not do that
due diligence yet and now and we and we
[1:09:15] we got into a time crunch and now we're
just asking the land bank to say, "Hey,
[1:09:19] could you give us another 90 days and
not hold our feet to the fire on this on
[1:09:24] this on this um
on your letter?" And that's all we're
[1:09:30] asking. We're just asking for another 90
days to do a little bit of due
[1:09:33] diligence. They might come back to say
no.
[1:09:36] » They might be legally required to, but
the way that that says a super majority,
[1:09:41] » um, that's probably in state law. Oh,
that's in their bylaws, not state law.
[1:09:45] » I would think it would be in their
bylaw.
[1:09:46] » Okay. Okay.
>> So, a little bit of the history, too.
[1:09:50] » It's also there to to make it more
difficult to sort of
[1:09:53] » pull out.
>> Yeah. After you've already submitted,
[1:09:56] » right?
>> Yeah.
[1:09:57] » Yes. because this is because they've
already done a lot of research on this,
[1:10:01] » right? So,
>> they've had a cost. So, so I think a
[1:10:05] history is good to hear because we've
got close to 30 properties that are
[1:10:10] bladed or in
>> No, more like 20 probably 20 and there's
[1:10:14] probably only 10 that are 10 that are
eligible to go to a land, you know, in
[1:10:18] this ballpark. So,
>> but I mean, we've still got a lot of
[1:10:22] properties. This has never been
addressed by the burrow in terms of
[1:10:26] going after bladed or properties that
are not not not feasible with that. The
[1:10:34] the drive of that was we have residents
living next door to these places or in
[1:10:40] the neighborhood and they are the ones
getting affected by whether it's
[1:10:44] rodents,
you know, people going in there,
[1:10:47] whatever. And it is extremely difficult.
We've had people come here and talk
[1:10:52] about the issues of blighted properties.
So the main drive of that and why we
[1:10:57] started this program and it's through
Jim and finding out all the different
[1:11:01] ways we could do which we found the
three potentially four which we learned
[1:11:05] at along
is to go through this. So we've attacked
[1:11:10] Belvadier and we're learning from that
one. The land bank was the second one.
[1:11:14] So we proposed five properties, we
pulled one out and we had four. So, a
[1:11:19] council voted to move forward, but also
the school district and the county voted
[1:11:24] to move forward with these. The land
bank took them, looked at them, and
[1:11:28] said, "We'll we'll take these four.
>> We're not looking The drive of this was
[1:11:33] not looking to make money." It wasn't
like we're looking to make money on
[1:11:38] these. I mean, these are properties that
have been sitting there for sometimes
[1:11:42] the 1800s or late 19 or early 1900s.
We're looking to make them into places
[1:11:48] where people can live and our neighbors
that are around there are better off.
[1:11:53] So, I think we've already gone through
this and decided we may have additional
[1:11:58] information. I think we could utilize
that information for the other 20
[1:12:03] properties that we have to look at. But
I think we're doing a disservice if
[1:12:07] we're looking at this from a financial
aspect to say we can gain some dollars
[1:12:13] by delaying this versus the initial
charge which was to help the folks that
[1:12:20] are next to these properties.
>> Could I also add, John, um because I
[1:12:24] think it was really helpful to to kind
of recap some of the history and I'd
[1:12:27] like to just add a bit more to clarify
since we're on record here. Greg made
[1:12:32] some comments about how no due diligence
was done and I do firmly disagree with
[1:12:36] that. I think very ample due diligence
has been done on this topic and on these
[1:12:41] properties and on the differences and
the costs and the risk associated with
[1:12:46] conservatorship persists the TRIRCOG
land bank. Um there is certainly always
[1:12:50] more information
um in any case that can always be
[1:12:54] gathered and and I appreciate that more
information has been gathered here but I
[1:12:58] I would certainly say that plenty of due
diligence has been done has been done. I
[1:13:03] I you know want to make sure that's on
the record. It's not that we have not
[1:13:06] done any. We have we have done plenty.
Um, personally I feel confident even
[1:13:11] with the new information that the the
four properties um that are under
[1:13:17] consideration by the land bank are you
deserve to stay there. Um, but back to
[1:13:22] the the topic on the table. If there is
interest in um delaying so that we can
[1:13:30] add additional information to our
consideration, perhaps we consider doing
[1:13:35] um a shorter period of time that won't
>> um put off the the efforts that we've
[1:13:41] been working on for so long and make
people wait longer um but allow us to
[1:13:46] get past the another council meeting. So
maybe a a 30-day request rather than a
[1:13:51] 90-day um
several things together, but the the key
[1:13:56] point was to to build on the the
history. There is a lot of history and a
[1:13:59] lot of research that's been put into
this.
[1:14:02] » Yeah. 90-day may have been high 30-day
something just to I something to to get
[1:14:07] us past the next meeting so that we
don't feel like we had we we had to make
[1:14:12] a decision without us all being able to
go through this and and check it out.
[1:14:18] » And remember the decision is a super
majority would have to vote on that
[1:14:22] which means six council members have to
agree not to move forward with the
[1:14:28] properties. So if there are two that
don't then there's no there's no point
[1:14:34] in in delaying and or
saying that we're going to extend. So
[1:14:40] that realize that that's what it takes.
So we have the amendment of the agenda
[1:14:46] right now. Is there any more discussion
on the amendment of the agenda?
[1:14:51] All right. We'll take a vote. All in
favor?
[1:14:55] I
>> I
[1:14:56] » Okay, so that's who three
>> I
[1:15:01] » Okay opposed.
>> No.
[1:15:04] » No.
>> No.
[1:15:06] » Okay. So motion does not
>> call off the name. So
[1:15:11] » the names of the yeses were
>> Kirsten,
[1:15:14] » Mike,
>> and okay.
[1:15:19] » Yeah. Then the others.
>> Okay. So agenda is not amended.
[1:15:25] And that ends our discussion. Okay.
[1:15:32] » Um, next item on the uh list is the
imagine Lyndon engagement schedule uh on
[1:15:38] OM advisors. Um, the uh thank you for
everyone who came to the public uh
[1:15:44] engagement sessions on the 10th and the
24th. The survey is now closed. Um, that
[1:15:49] was closed on the 4th. Um, and now
there's going through the process of
[1:15:53] setting up focus groups. Um, there's
been some questions about that. I think
[1:15:57] currently the the thought process is to
have one with people that are directly
[1:16:02] uh um uh next to the next to the
property is going to be one focus group.
[1:16:07] One focus group will be uh people who do
want uh who have already expressed
[1:16:12] interest in keeping it as green space.
Another is to focus on a younger a
[1:16:17] younger audience. Um trying to keep
people um 35 and younger on a group. Um
[1:16:23] and then just general stakeholders. I
think the goal was to go with four
[1:16:27] stakeholder um or four focus groups at
this time. Um that's what the focus
[1:16:33] groups the interviews are basically just
um and I will send this to the steering
[1:16:38] committee too. um just basically
interviews of stakeholders in the
[1:16:42] community that are commonly uh involved
in the community or they own businesses
[1:16:47] or otherwise represented by the
community. And then um those processes
[1:16:52] are happening next September and October
and then the open house is planned for
[1:16:57] either November or um early December.
But that concludes my report.
[1:17:05] Okay. All right. Standing committee
reports, finance, administration,
[1:17:10] sustainability. Mr. Ho,
>> thank you. Um, prior to the meeting, we
[1:17:14] had our first uh public budget workshop
for next year. And for anyone that was
[1:17:19] not in attendance, if you'd like to
learn more about the fiscal planning and
[1:17:23] budgeting of the burrow, feel free to
attend any of the subsequent public
[1:17:28] budgeting sessions. So, um, we did cover
it in the budget planning session, but
[1:17:35] sorry, I have it on my phone. Um, just
real quick, the, uh, current funds as of
[1:17:40] the end of August, uh, general fund is
at 1.4 million. Uh, general fund reserve
[1:17:46] also is at 1.3 million, but there is a
transfer coming out of that uh, for the
[1:17:50] bond fund. So, just FYI. uh road funds
at $5,000 with a reserve of about
[1:17:56] $768,000.
Sewer funds at $886,000
[1:18:01] with a reserve of $879,000.
Uh the bond fund is at $2,000, but as I
[1:18:08] previously mentioned, uh temporary
transfer from the general fund reserve
[1:18:12] is going into that to uh bring that back
up to the correct amounts or acceptable
[1:18:18] amounts. Um
overall, uh total funds balance is at
[1:18:23] about $4.4 million. Uh overall, um I'll
have
[1:18:28] the finance committee meets, uh prior to
the next council meeting so we can have
[1:18:33] a more in-depth um kind of budget to
actuals about if there's any line items
[1:18:37] or areas of concern or anything. But as
reported at the last council meeting, um
[1:18:41] overall we are tracking well for the
fiscal year. So um overall there's has
[1:18:47] not been anything of major concern uh
financially. So I'll give a better
[1:18:51] report of that uh at the next meeting.
Um the only other thing is the um public
[1:18:56] works collective bargaining agreement.
Uh we are still waiting on uh well for
[1:19:01] right now it's the actuarial review of
retirement plans but that's kind of been
[1:19:04] the big hold up on on this at this point
is the retirement plan things pension
[1:19:08] versus uh other retirement plan options
that we've been looking into. So, uh,
[1:19:13] still waiting on on the actuarial
actuarial review for those retirement
[1:19:18] plans before we can continue to proceed.
So, and I think it's good because I
[1:19:23] don't think we've ever mentioned it at a
council meeting, which is the staff and
[1:19:29] the public works union are looking to
move from a pension plan to a four I
[1:19:35] always get 401A and 40 457 plan
>> versus the pension plan which is no
[1:19:43] longer sustainable for retirement
because how it's funded and how it's um
[1:19:48] the cont they also cannot make any
contribution. ions to it.
[1:19:51] » So the goal here is not only for the
staff and for public works is to move to
[1:19:56] these plans where they can contribute on
a pre-tax basis and they can get a match
[1:20:01] like your typical 401k plan is what
their request is and also from staff.
[1:20:08] The pension plan has a vesting of eight
years which is a long time and it's not
[1:20:12] a very good plan at least for public
works. So part of that is to to get them
[1:20:18] a better retirement plan because they
also don't feel like they can retire
[1:20:23] based on what the the pension plan
currently offers.
[1:20:26] » So Jim and um some folks were using are
looking into these additional options to
[1:20:33] be able to offer um for for the not only
the staff but also public works. So
[1:20:38] that's been the hold up for it. And this
was unfortunately something we had just
[1:20:42] barely begun whenever the um
negotiations were starting. So
[1:20:46] unfortunately that they kind of happened
concurrently which caused the delay. So
[1:20:50] yeah that's all I have for my report
unless anybody has any questions.
[1:20:56] » Thank you Mr. Ho. Infrastructure and
land use.
[1:21:02] » Sure. Well, first off, I can report that
we have submitted a grant application,
[1:21:06] the municipal um assistance program MAP
grant application
[1:21:11] um which is funding through the state.
Um we have applied for funding $50,000
[1:21:17] in funding to uh for a comprehensive
plan update um that was submitted on
[1:21:21] September 1st, made it in time for its
deadline. Um we'll likely hear about
[1:21:26] that um early, you know, maybe January,
February, early 2027. Um this is because
[1:21:32] our uh comprehensive plan crafting
income thrive was passed back in 2017.
[1:21:37] Um is due for an update next year. We
are supposed to update it per state
[1:21:41] every 10 years. Um the MAP grant
application the MAP grant rather through
[1:21:47] the state um like a lot of state grants
is going to require 50% match. Um
[1:21:53] imagine that's something that we'll
continue talking about during the budget
[1:21:56] session. Um we applied for $50,000
um which would be a $50,000 match um
[1:22:03] from the bureau. We haven't yet set an
actual we haven't committed to a
[1:22:07] particular budget for the comprehensive
plan. We could pay a bit less. Um we
[1:22:11] could also pay that full amount. Some
municipalities pay more. Some of the
[1:22:15] this is not something that's come come
up in detail yet. We haven't started the
[1:22:18] budgeting for this project. But um one
of the big kind of flexible moving um
[1:22:24] things that would affect the overall
amount that we choose to spend on that
[1:22:28] is is really the amount of community
engagement. There are requirements that
[1:22:33] we'll have to meet um for the
comprehensive plan itself and then how
[1:22:37] much community engagement we want would
affect how much uh fee we need from a
[1:22:42] consultant. So all things to discuss
moving forward. Um but for now that is
[1:22:46] the a big update. we have submitted uh a
grant application.
[1:22:51] Um questions on that before I go on?
Um next one, DCNR getdf pool area
[1:22:58] improvement grants. Um this was two
different grants we received both um
[1:23:05] both um we were able to to put them
together to offset the amount of match
[1:23:10] that we need to put in for pool area
improvement grants. These are things
[1:23:14] like the awning to the um
>> pavilion
[1:23:17] » awning the the pavilion the awning to
the concession stand the new pavilion uh
[1:23:22] new slide I know we sent off the old one
on Labor Day um
[1:23:28] um some other accessibility uh
improvements the rock climbing wall um
[1:23:32] that is the project that this refers to
uh that went out to bid and those bids
[1:23:36] have been received and I don't have any
further updates since that happened. Um,
[1:23:39] we did receive the bids and it's
something we're going to have to talk at
[1:23:42] infrastructure committee. They were
incredibly high.
[1:23:44] » Okay.
>> Um, and so the lowest bid was 500.
[1:23:48] » So low bid
was 529,000.
[1:23:53] » Yeah.
>> And that's not including our work that
[1:23:56] needs to be done.
>> They range from 529 to 1.1 million.
[1:24:01] » Yeah. So we need to uh reassess um
basically um what parts of the project
[1:24:07] we really want to do. Uh um and what
parts can be taken on by the by the
[1:24:14] public works for
>> a million dollars for a slide in a
[1:24:17] pavilion.
>> Yeah.
[1:24:19] » Get these numbers.
>> Let's just put it this way. Um the
[1:24:23] contractor that submitted the bid like I
>> it's he they've have been high on
[1:24:30] numerous projects. So
>> um that would be something if we were
[1:24:33] about him. I would kind of toss that one
to the side and not
[1:24:37] » tell me you don't want the job. Stop
telling me you don't want the job.
[1:24:40] » We're not even building we're not even
building a building interior here.
[1:24:46] » Just get a slide
>> the existing slide.
[1:24:52] » We still have time to figure that out.
>> There's I did
[1:24:56] » and if we and if we have don't have a
slide for part of next year.
[1:25:02] Why did we jump to rip out a slide when
we didn't have a
[1:25:06] » Well, the slide might be the guaranteed
item that we have.
[1:25:08] » We haven't ripped it out yet. We did
gone.
[1:25:12] » It's gone.
>> I thought we were going to wait a little
[1:25:14] longer.
>> No.
[1:25:15] » Farewell slide.
>> Well, now we know we have to get a new
[1:25:20] one. So, makes a decision.
>> I I I think there's options. Uh spoke
[1:25:26] with Jim about this. I think we can
discuss it further in infrastructure. I
[1:25:29] think there are options to where that it
can still um
[1:25:32] » there's a couple different avenues.
>> Terrible thing.
[1:25:36] » All right. Well, that that's an update
we've gotten in the bid.
[1:25:40] » Get new ones.
>> Well, wasn't there something?
[1:25:42] » Does this mean we would have to go back
out the bid?
[1:25:44] » Oh, yeah. It was
>> Has it revised?
[1:25:48] » Potentially.
There's multiple different ways we can
[1:25:52] kind of handle this. So, I think
>> too much cross talk guys. I don't know
[1:25:55] where I don't know that you want to like
>> I guess the answer is just we have more
[1:25:58] discussion on the slides so or on the
polls then
[1:26:03] » and and the update the update for the
community as of as of now is we've
[1:26:07] received the bids only just received
them haven't looked through them yet and
[1:26:11] they are high so we'll have to consider
how we move forward
[1:26:17] um and then the third item is also um
kind of similar still ongoing the DCED
[1:26:22] $325,000
grant
[1:26:25] um that we received um also from the
state. This one did not require a match.
[1:26:29] So, this was all just uh free money um
for pedestrian and business district
[1:26:34] improvements around Craftton Circle and
STS and um some improvements that we
[1:26:39] were looking at continuing up towards um
Craftton Boulevard. This is going
[1:26:44] through design review. Um we're working
with lighting consultants on samples and
[1:26:48] pricing and new pool installation. A lot
of details to work through. um
[1:26:52] infrastructure committee has not met
since the last council meeting, but
[1:26:55] we'll meet uh again before the next one.
[1:27:00] So, I don't have any other further
updates on that other than that's still
[1:27:03] ongoing.
>> I have one more question. Did we know
[1:27:07] that this contract was in jeopardy
before we pulled the trigger to take
[1:27:13] that slide out?
>> Well, um
[1:27:15] » what we're saying is the slide would be
a guarantee as part the contract's not
[1:27:19] in jeopardy. It's we can go below these
bids, but the slide would be something
[1:27:24] that we would pay for. We may not do
some of the other items or public works
[1:27:28] may do them, right?
>> So, it's it's still it's okay.
[1:27:36] » And as you said, the slide was not in a
safe condition.
[1:27:39] » No, I mean, the slide had cracks. They
we've been asked by public works to
[1:27:42] remove that slide for three years. So
there were lots of concerns about that
[1:27:46] slide and now we have money to replace
it and we plan to go out you know if we
[1:27:51] don't use this set of bids then we can
go back out to bid but we'll have if we
[1:27:56] don't have the slide at the very
beginning of next year we will have the
[1:27:59] slide next year.
>> So
[1:28:03] » that was that was like the cornerstone
of the project
[1:28:06] » to replace the slide and we got some
other things with it but the slide was
[1:28:09] the focus.
>> It's the focus of the project. Yeah.
[1:28:11] » Right. And you've got one that's 529.
So, you know, you're talking about
[1:28:16] shaving maybe shaving 129 off of the
whole project and there were a lot of
[1:28:21] other things in it.
>> Yep.
[1:28:24] » And we can do some of the stuff in
house, right?
[1:28:26] » So, Yep.
>> So, by
[1:28:29] » Yes. So, you have to spend more money.
>> 60 days to take action on whether you're
[1:28:34] going to accept low bid or object. So,
>> so one more question. What was the
[1:28:40] benefit of taking the slide out
yesterday and not waiting
[1:28:44] » because we don't
>> because you were not you weren't going
[1:28:46] to use it again because it it was a
liability to the burough.
[1:28:51] » Okay.
[1:28:56] All right. Um communication and
recreation. Miss Bolen.
[1:28:59] » Thank you. Um okay. As we all know, Fall
Fest is coming up in just a couple
[1:29:03] weeks. Before I go into detail, I first
would like to put a motion out there to
[1:29:09] lift the burrow ordinance banning dogs
in Craftton Park for one day, Saturday,
[1:29:13] September 26, to allow the record board
to host a pet parade during Craftton's
[1:29:18] annual fall fest.
>> So move.
[1:29:20] » Second.
>> Mr. Ho, Miss Compello,
[1:29:23] » any questions or discussion?
>> I have questions. It's a pet parade, so
[1:29:26] why are we lifting only banning dogs?
Can other pets be in the parade?
[1:29:31] » Sure. Do we need
>> dogs are the only things that are banned
[1:29:34] from parade?
>> It is only dogs that are banned. Dogs
[1:29:36] are the only banned.
>> But to clarify, any any pet is welcome
[1:29:40] in the pet parade and and other pets are
already allowed in the park.
[1:29:44] » Is correct.
>> Can I just add one thing?
[1:29:47] » Pets still have to be on their leash.
>> That is also correct.
[1:29:50] » So if you're going to bring your cat,
please make sure she's on her harness.
[1:29:53] » Correct. guinea pigs, your gerbles,
whatever you got. Gerbles in the balls,
[1:29:59] wear a leash,
>> but have to be on their leash.
[1:30:02] » And you got to pick up after them
regardless whatever kind of animal they
[1:30:05] are.
>> Okay.
[1:30:06] » Yeah.
>> Did we Was there something in previous
[1:30:09] years where we provided or talked about
providing the baggies to clean up
[1:30:14] afterwards?
>> No, we haven't. But I mean, I've got a
[1:30:16] million that I'm happy to grab.
>> I just couldn't remember if that was
[1:30:19] something we had done in the past.
>> We did do that in the past.
[1:30:22] » They're inexpensive. I thought we did. I
thought we had a a thing down there last
[1:30:27] time.
>> Did we? Okay. I don't recall that, but
[1:30:29] Steve's got
>> Yeah,
[1:30:30] » thanks to We'll be happy to provide, but
you still have to pick up after your
[1:30:35] own.
>> Yes,
[1:30:36] » we'll provide the bags.
>> Yeah.
[1:30:37] » And we'll make a note to um Sorry to
interrupt. The uh
[1:30:41] » uh some water dishes and things will be
around, too. So, we'll make sure it's
[1:30:44] it's it's pet friendly for for those
that are bringing that stuff down. We'll
[1:30:48] make a note to do that. Great.
>> Any other discussion?
[1:30:53] All right. Hearing none. All in favor?
>> I opposed.
[1:30:58] » Motion passes.
>> Thank you. The board feels much better
[1:31:01] now.
>> So, with that in mind, the pup parade uh
[1:31:04] registration will start at 12:15. By the
way, Fall Fest again is Saturday,
[1:31:08] September 26th from noon to 6:00. The
pup parade registration will start at
[1:31:13] 12:15 with the actual parade starting at
12:30. You are welcome to sign up online
[1:31:18] prior to uh Fall Fest. And we actually
would prefer you do that just so we have
[1:31:23] an idea of how many animals would you
expect. Of course, all the money, I
[1:31:26] believe it's $10 for registration and
all that money will go to charity. Every
[1:31:31] penny. So, we still have to figure out
which charity. There are so many good
[1:31:34] ones to choose from. We just are having
a hard time deciding, but we will pick
[1:31:38] one. I promise.
After the pup parade, we have a new
[1:31:43] event this year, the little pumpkin baby
crawl contest. So, if you have a little
[1:31:48] one still in their crawling stage, they
are welcome to partake. Registration is
[1:31:52] at 12:45 with a 1:00 crawl. And again,
there'll be little um prizes given away
[1:31:58] to our winners. So, but they have to be
crawling, no running, no whatever. So,
[1:32:04] um from there, music, we have Mingo
Creek. They're starting to play at 2:00.
[1:32:09] And we have a cornhole tournament that
will start at 3:00. Again, you can sign
[1:32:13] up online beforehand for the cornhole
tournament. Um, but we will also accept
[1:32:18] registration that day as well. But
again, if at all possible, we like
[1:32:21] beforehand so we can get an idea and
maybe create a bracket and get things
[1:32:25] moving.
Um, at the moment, we have five with a
[1:32:30] possibly six food trucks that are
coming. Uh, we also have three breweries
[1:32:34] with a possible or two breweries with a
possible third. We did confirm the third
[1:32:38] one. So, we have three breweries coming.
So, now we truly have a beer garden. So,
[1:32:43] thank you to everybody who is coming.
Um, activities will include axe
[1:32:48] throwing, horse and pony rides, arcade
games from our church arcade person.
[1:32:54] Thank you, Mike. Um, we're going to have
pumpkin painting, inflatable obstacle
[1:32:58] course, and a lot more. Mini golf will
also be open throughout the duration of
[1:33:02] golf fest, so go play around or two. Um,
and again, you can go to the burough
[1:33:08] website to register for the parade, the
baby crawl, or the tournament. also to
[1:33:13] volunteer and we're always looking for
volunteers even just an hour of your
[1:33:16] time. Just go to uh the burough website
and go to the community events page and
[1:33:22] you can sign up for any of those
options.
[1:33:25] Any questions on call fest.
Oh, we also have over 20 vendors coming
[1:33:30] too. I forgot to mention that. So, got a
lot of crafts and things to purchase.
[1:33:34] » Can I say one more thing?
>> Eric, can I say one more thing, please?
[1:33:37] » Just because you mentioned the crafts, I
would encourage people to have cash on
[1:33:40] hand. I know we live in a uh touch your
phone app world, but um I think some
[1:33:46] vendors probably will be appreciating
cash because you know, who knows what
[1:33:50] service might be like in the park, too.
So, I think having some cash on hand
[1:33:53] might not be a bad idea, especially for
some of the local craft vendors.
[1:33:58] » And there will be shade tree booth.
>> Yeah. Um bird tree bird
[1:34:03] » bird town booth
>> be a community garden. And the uh uh
[1:34:07] police department will have their
command center at the entrance as well.
[1:34:11] » Yep. All kinds of
>> And they and they're going to be doing
[1:34:15] some of the same stuff that they did at
uh Fourth of July
[1:34:18] » with no rain. Hopefully
>> hopefully no rain.
[1:34:21] » I know.
>> We've been lucky the last couple years
[1:34:23] that continues.
>> Yeah.
[1:34:26] » So on that note, um if there are no
questions, another um event that's
[1:34:31] coming up that's not on the agenda. I
apologize. Saturday, October 3rd, Shade
[1:34:35] Tree is having a native plant seed swap
and an Ottabon Society informational
[1:34:41] bird walk. So, that's going to happen in
the park. The the seed swap is going to
[1:34:46] happen from 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. And
the Ottabon uhformational walk will
[1:34:51] happen from 12:00 to 2. So, if anybody's
interested, come on down.
[1:34:54] » You said November 3rd.
>> Nove October 3rd.
[1:34:56] » I'm sorry.
>> November 3rd was a week ago.
[1:35:00] » Okay. Or no, November.
What is time, Aaron? Who knows? My
[1:35:06] apologies, everybody.
>> You're like sometime
[1:35:12] walk.
>> All right. Next up is our 21 and over
[1:35:15] Halloween mini golf. That's happening on
Saturday, October 17th from 7 to 10:00.
[1:35:20] It is just 21 and over. So, this is one
Saturday that we ask you to please leave
[1:35:26] your kiddos at home. Um, it is $10 per
person. Um it's Bob and we will have the
[1:35:32] Pittsburgh crepe food truck there. They
offer sweet crepes, savory crepes, but
[1:35:36] then they also have um chicken tenders,
fries, gyros, things like that. They
[1:35:40] have a whole mess of good things to try.
I've had them before that. It's a really
[1:35:45] good food truck in my opinion. So come
on down, have some fun. We'll have some
[1:35:48] other entertainment on hand as well.
Again, you can go to to the Graftonboro
[1:35:52] website to buy your ticket in advance
and you can also just show up and pay at
[1:35:57] that time as well.
questions on that.
[1:36:02] We also have our Halloween Eve
extravaganza on Friday, October 30th at
[1:36:07] the mini golf. It's a time to bring the
little ones for a not so scary round of
[1:36:13] mini golf um before the sun goes down.
Costumes are definitely encouraged and
[1:36:18] candy will be handed out and a few other
things. Um we will still have our
[1:36:22] regular mini golf hours at 7:00 to 9
that night as well.
[1:36:27] Next up would be our holiday free
market. That's going to happen on
[1:36:30] Saturday, November 21st. Um, you can
drop off your items starting at 8:00
[1:36:36] a.m. The market itself will run from 9
to 1. We are also going to have Friday
[1:36:41] evening drop off hours from 6:00 to
8:00. It's all happening over here in
[1:36:45] the community center. So, um, all the
items that are not taken by the end of
[1:36:51] day will be donated. Things that we are
allowing are gently used housewares,
[1:36:56] clothing, home decor, shoes, small
electronics, pet products, small
[1:37:02] appliances, sports gear, books, DVDs,
CDs, seasonal holiday items, tools,
[1:37:07] toys, games, and craft supplies. Some
things that we are not taking, and
[1:37:12] neither one of these are full lists. You
know, we'll go with discretion here
[1:37:16] because you can never really assume what
people are going to bring. No food.
[1:37:20] Please, if you have any food to donate,
please donate it to our food bank. Uh,
[1:37:24] no weapons or ammunition. Can't believe
I have to say this, but I do. No worn
[1:37:28] underwear, no wor under clothing.
Nothing damaged or unusable, and no
[1:37:35] large furniture. If it doesn't fit in
the elevator or in the stairwell, it is
[1:37:39] not welcome. All right. Again, we still
have a little more um discretion when
[1:37:44] you show up with your items, but you
also don't have to bring items to
[1:37:48] partake. If you just want to come see
what's available, just come see what's
[1:37:51] available. See what you have. Maybe one
man's trash is another man's treasure.
[1:37:55] So, come check it out.
Uh after that, we have our craft and
[1:38:00] holiday celebration that's going to
happen on Saturday, December 5th. We're
[1:38:04] still working out the details on there,
but what I can tell you at the moment is
[1:38:07] is moving to the circle in front of the
Burough Building. We're going to close
[1:38:11] down Stocks Avenue for a couple hours
from 4 to 8, I believe. Um, we're going
[1:38:17] to have our, you know, the good ones,
Santa, Mrs. Claus. We're going to have
[1:38:20] some vendors. We'll have a popup
Christmas event at the Circle Inn. And a
[1:38:24] lot more to come. We're still banging
out the details. So, as I get them, I
[1:38:28] will share.
[1:38:32] That same weekend on Sunday, December
6th, from 1 to 6, it looks like the
[1:38:36] holiday house tour is a go. Thank you to
everybody who has graciously donated
[1:38:41] their homes. We're still looking for a
couple more. Um, so hopefully we can get
[1:38:44] a few more, but it does look like we
have enough that it is a go. Um, details
[1:38:48] to come, but we will start selling
tickets at FallFest. We will have online
[1:38:53] ticket purchasing only at Fall Fest. We
will have um physical tickets later on
[1:38:59] for sale at the library in the Burough
Building, but for right now, starting at
[1:39:03] Fall Fest, we will have a Q code that
you can use to buy them online.
[1:39:09] questions on any of those events.
All right, our ongoing events, mini golf
[1:39:15] is still ongoing now through October
every Friday and Saturday from 7 to 9:00
[1:39:20] p.m. It is $2 a round. And again, you
can take your ticket from golf down to
[1:39:27] our ice cream store to get a free treat.
Did you have something in your hand?
[1:39:30] » I'm going to confirm, but I do not I
think mini golf is done. I think they
[1:39:34] Yes, they use the month of September. I
meant they use the month of September to
[1:39:38] get it ready
>> for Halloween.
[1:39:41] » So, it's closed. Yes.
>> I apologize everybody.
[1:39:44] » Yeah, I have it on there.
>> I checked. I thought about that earlier
[1:39:47] tonight. Yeah.
>> All right. So, I lied.
[1:39:49] » No more mini golf.
>> Get ready for October.
[1:39:51] » Get ready for October.
>> All right. Then, yoga in the park. That
[1:39:54] is continuing on Saturdays through
September. It's 10 o'clock in the park.
[1:39:59] It is free to anybody who wishes to
come. Um,
[1:40:04] and we have I can't even stress how many
other events we have going on every
[1:40:08] month in our neighborhood. So, please
just go to our events calendar on
[1:40:12] craftenboroough.gov and see the library
has a million things going on. Shade,
[1:40:16] there's so many things going on that I
would take up four hours just to say.
[1:40:20] So, please go to our events calendar and
see what's going on. And again, as
[1:40:24] always, we could use volunteers. So,
please go to the website and give us an
[1:40:28] hour of your time. We would appreciate
it.
[1:40:31] Uh, and last up, our newsletter is in
the works and we plan to have it
[1:40:36] distributed or distributed, excuse me,
in early to mid October. So, unless
[1:40:41] there's any questions, that concludes my
report.
[1:40:44] » Thank you, Miss Benbacher. Board
commission recruiting. Miss
[1:40:47] » Yeah, I'll make mine short and sweet.
Um, currently we have a rec board
[1:40:52] position that, uh, the term expires at
the end of September. So, just thinking
[1:40:55] about everything Aaron just said,
there's so much going on. Um, so if
[1:40:59] you're interested, you can check out the
description for that on our website. Um,
[1:41:03] backboards commissions. Um, and then
civil service commission. We have two
[1:41:08] alternate seats available. They've been
available for a while. One, uh, expires
[1:41:12] on February 1st, 2029, and the other is
May 20th, 2032. Um, and after
[1:41:20] like those two kind of technically
three, we'll have no more for the rest
[1:41:25] of the year, but there's only three
months left in this year. So,
[1:41:29] » there you have it. Short and breezy.
>> Thank you, Miss McCoick. Um, the COG,
[1:41:35] Mr. Waznjak.
>> Okay. So, the next COG meeting is next
[1:41:38] Thursday, September 17th, and it's at
Crescent Township. So, uh, we're done
[1:41:43] with our summer break. So, I will be
getting information. Typically, we get
[1:41:47] it Friday before the meeting and I will
post it on a one drive.
[1:41:54] » Thank you. All right, our community
announcements. Our next council meeting
[1:41:58] is Thursday, September 24th at 7 and the
budget workshop an hour before at 6. Um,
[1:42:05] we do have employment opportunities. We
have the community and economic
[1:42:08] development director position and also
our substitute part-time crossing guard
[1:42:11] for Craftton Elementary. And those
positions you can apply online on the
[1:42:16] crafting website.
And then Fall Fest, of course, as a
[1:42:19] reminder, is Saturday, September 26 from
12 to 6 in the park. All the things that
[1:42:25] um Aaron had mentioned are all on the
agenda here.
[1:42:29] All right. Public comment. At this time,
citizens may address the Craftton
[1:42:33] Burough Council on any issue. Only
residents and taxpayers of the Burough
[1:42:37] of Craftton will be permitted to address
the council. Speakers will be permitted
[1:42:41] to speak for a maximum of three minutes.
Groups of people will be required to
[1:42:45] designate a spokesperson to represent
them before the council who may speak
[1:42:49] for a maximum of 5 minutes. Councilors
the option to respond or not at the end
[1:42:54] of the address. The solicitor is our
assigned timekeeper. Please state your
[1:42:58] name and physical address for the
record. So, anybody here, you would just
[1:43:02] raise your hand if you'd want to speak.
Sure.
[1:43:06] » Yeah, you come over to the mic right
there.
[1:43:12] My name is Diane Hedges.
>> Diane Hedges. I live 21 Warren Street. I
[1:43:17] I wanted to talk to you about the pool.
The pavilion we all think is a horrible
[1:43:22] idea because that area I've been down
there for 40 years with kids and
[1:43:26] grandkids. And that's where the kids
play.
[1:43:29] » And if you put a pavilion there, it's
going to take all the space away. And
[1:43:33] they were talking about putting rain
barrels at the bottom, which is going to
[1:43:36] draw mosquitoes.
So there's going to be a lot of bites
[1:43:39] over there and it could draw bees also.
So I think it's a really bad idea. They
[1:43:43] should just leave that and that would
save you so much money. And then the
[1:43:46] slide should stay where it's at because
if you take away the space where all the
[1:43:51] women come and lay out in the sun, all
those chairs you're running every day
[1:43:55] for $2. So that's going to take all that
money away from the pool. And a lot of
[1:44:01] those people just won't come anymore if
they don't have a place to lay. They
[1:44:04] don't want to lay in the grass.
And let me see what else I have.
[1:44:11] I mean, the the awning is a good idea
for the kids for the, you know,
[1:44:15] concession stand, but I I think you
could save so much money by just keeping
[1:44:19] the putting a new slide where it's at,
getting rid of the pavilion, leaving the
[1:44:24] chairs there. You could use the money
for new chairs to rent out. That would
[1:44:29] be a good idea.
And then I don't understand why we're
[1:44:33] having a beer garden and axe throwing on
the same day. No, just
[1:44:38] » we like to keep things interesting.
Yeah,
[1:44:41] » they will not be near each other.
>> Okay. Sorry. No, we're not supposed to
[1:44:43] talk. Sorry. And then the um as far as
the the land that has always been for
[1:44:50] the kids where they play football,
cheerleading,
[1:44:53] baseball over there and it would be so
sad to take that away and put, you know,
[1:44:58] housing or something there. I think you
should keep it, you know, as a park or
[1:45:03] you could make a ice skating rink and
rent it out for hockey. I think that
[1:45:08] would be a really good idea and maybe
put the money into a new hot putt
[1:45:13] course. make it bigger so people would
come to it. I think it's just too small.
[1:45:16] You can't even see it there. Maybe put a
um like a tennis court or a pickle ball
[1:45:23] court. You could do the same with the
same space. Just put different lines
[1:45:26] there and a small playground. So the
moms could have the kids at the
[1:45:30] playground where they're playing tennis
or whatever.
[1:45:33] You could go all the way down and then
on the outside make like a running
[1:45:37] course, you know, with like a soft area
to run around the outside of it. There's
[1:45:44] a lot you can do with that area. That's
all. Thank you.
[1:45:47] » Thank you.
>> All right. So, we have the feed. I I
[1:45:51] guess it's a lot of the feedback on the
pool pavilion or the pavilion, the rain
[1:45:55] barrels, um the slide. So, obviously,
we'll be discussing it during the
[1:46:00] infrastructure meeting.
>> Yeah. I just mentioned that those all
[1:46:03] those recommendations were from the pool
manager and people were at the pool. Uh
[1:46:07] and the pavilion would need to go there
because of uh ADA compliance um to allow
[1:46:13] for it to be flat. They also wanted the
um slide to be there so that people
[1:46:18] don't have to go all the way around the
pool to get back on the slide. This will
[1:46:21] allow people to quickly access the
slide. That was a recommendation of a
[1:46:24] pool manager.
>> Okay.
[1:46:26] » Okay.
>> Yep. Um then we had the lending comments
[1:46:30] which that's a long long process.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[1:46:34] » Yeah, I was going to say for for Lyndon
I would just make sure you also uh make
[1:46:37] yourself heard at the school board
meetings because again we uh are just
[1:46:42] one party involved in all of this. So
>> anybody else?
[1:46:56] Thank you. Crystal Beam, 57 Belvadier
Street. Um when the budget meetings or
[1:47:02] the next one takes place, I'd like to
recommend consideration for the
[1:47:06] completion of Belvadier Street. Um as it
was in initially uh intended to be
[1:47:12] completed back in 2022 during the Phil
Labasser days. Um they put the header in
[1:47:18] the other day. I drove home at midnight
last night to flooding on both sides of
[1:47:22] the street. Um, I pointed this out to
Gateway engineers. Um, the heavy
[1:47:28] equipment has further damaged the brick.
Um, it looks like a roller coaster and
[1:47:34] the water is pulling directly in front
of my house. I cannot exit my car, um,
[1:47:38] the side of my house. Um, it was filled
all the way up to the curb. So, I'd like
[1:47:43] that addressed. I don't know if there
were any adjacent studies that were done
[1:47:47] um with the infrastructure committee,
but um where the brick meets the
[1:47:52] pavement, there's a large hump in the
middle. Um the water is not going to
[1:47:56] reach Elco um where the brick currently
is. It's just pulling. It's flooding and
[1:48:02] it's not going to get over the hump and
down to the um the grate. So, I'd like
[1:48:09] that looked at. I talked to Jim about it
in front of my home. I know Jim said
[1:48:13] that they have no intention of fixing
the curb that I had addressed in front
[1:48:19] of my home. He said that, you know,
nope, I can't do it for you. I can't do
[1:48:23] any favors. I understand that. I'd like
the infrastructure committee to at least
[1:48:28] address Belvadier Street, take a look at
it. I was disappointed when Gateway
[1:48:32] engineers came out and they were going
to pull they were going to pour for a
[1:48:36] curb. Um, the definition of a curb is
not pouring a facade. my husband could
[1:48:42] have kicked it with his boots. It was a
very small section that they were trying
[1:48:46] to daisy chain with an old existing
curb. Um I called Jim. I asked Jim to
[1:48:52] come out and Jim did. Uh the engineer um
came out. I think due diligence was a
[1:48:58] big word I heard earlier this evening. I
think Gateway Engineer, they've been
[1:49:02] with us a long time. I've been this in
this community for 22 years. I think
[1:49:06] that, you know, we should be reviewing
our engineering companies every other
[1:49:10] year, every two years. Um, I was very
disappointed that they were going to
[1:49:14] pour a curb in front of my house. I
think an adjacent study would have been
[1:49:18] um, feasible. Um, I'm very sad and very
disappointed. I feel that my home um, it
[1:49:24] just looks terrible. The header looks
terrible. And I'm not complaining about
[1:49:28] Morante. I think they were fantastic.
They were very considerate everywhere
[1:49:32] they went. I gave them bottles of water.
Um, I think that the infrastructure
[1:49:37] committee did my home due diligence
because all of this mess is directly in
[1:49:42] front of my house. So, um,
one other thing, um, as far as the
[1:49:48] bricks, um, I do want to say that
there's going to be some public works
[1:49:51] monies that you're going to have to pay
out with daily rates. A dollar a brick,
[1:49:55] maybe think about that because that's
opportunity cost. They could be out
[1:49:58] pulling weeds around the police station
and elsewhere in the community where
[1:50:02] they're overgrown. Um,
the bricks on Krenel, I think John, you
[1:50:08] addressed that earlier. They are
crumbling. It's kind of sad to see that.
[1:50:12] Um,
I came here with a lot of things to say.
[1:50:16] I'm not really prepared because I kind
of just kind of rushed in here. Um,
[1:50:23] again, in front of my house, I think
gateway engineers did us a disservice.
[1:50:27] They told me no. Jim told me no.
Um the infrastructure committee, why did
[1:50:33] you stop? That is going to be my
question. Why did you decide to stop
[1:50:38] short of somebody's driveway and stop at
my curb?
[1:50:42] » Thanks, Crystal.
All right. So, we have
[1:50:47] the recommendation to consider the
completion of Belvador Street for the
[1:50:51] budget. So, that's a recommendation as
we go through this. um the addressing
[1:50:56] the hump I guess where the brick meets
the asphalt on Belvadier and then um the
[1:51:04] curb the curb or the water drainage and
and all those things if you want to
[1:51:08] address those
>> the hump in the road like was out there
[1:51:13] we saw it and we'll compare it with you
know pre-construction photos that's
[1:51:17] again that's a decision on the bureau's
behalf if you would want to
[1:51:24] extends.
>> Oh, no. I I think it was where they met
[1:51:28] where the asphallo is now meeting the
brick.
[1:51:31] » Talking about there's a concrete header.
Um again, I we have not made it over to
[1:51:36] Beladier for the punch list. So, that is
still on the list. So, um we will be
[1:51:41] getting over there to to do that and
address um any concerns that are over
[1:51:46] there that we can if we see significant
damage to the brick then due to
[1:51:51] equipment you that would be get added to
the punch list for them to to repair.
[1:51:57] So, I'd like to add too that when we did
go over amarante was not doing what they
[1:52:01] were supposed to be doing in certain
cases. um they weren't laying concrete
[1:52:04] the way they were supposed to be laying
and they weren't laying the curb the way
[1:52:07] they were supposed to be laying it which
we did stop them um and they did go back
[1:52:12] and put it in correctly.
>> So
[1:52:15] » So it was was it gateway or because did
we have gateway engineers there?
[1:52:20] » Well, we have inspectors but sometimes
they're on multiple jobs
[1:52:24] » and uh and they happen to not be at that
at that time at that very at that very
[1:52:29] moment. So yeah.
>> So that would be the question of if they
[1:52:33] know how to pour concrete, why why did
they not pour it correctly?
[1:52:40] » Great questions.
>> It's a great question. Um
[1:52:43] » okay,
>> one of the areas um one of the sidewalk
[1:52:46] pads that was
prepared. They they did not have the the
[1:52:50] mesh in and they were that was
discussed. Um I was at another part of
[1:52:55] the project when
I got asked by a crew member. Um, and
[1:53:00] then that's when I I had went over um
another section of sidewalk that they
[1:53:06] were going to pour.
It wasn't prepped properly per the
[1:53:10] contract. Um, so we did stop them from
doing that as well to make sure. Um, did
[1:53:16] have a discussion with the concrete
foreman um, who was on another part of
[1:53:21] the project, you know, stating that it
was unacceptable. So, we did stop them
[1:53:26] from pouring those and making sure that
it was done. Yeah,
[1:53:30] » correctly.
>> I'm going to have to step in and just
[1:53:33] say that that there there are issues
with the contractor that we've been
[1:53:37] dealing with under the contract and
there's potential
[1:53:41] uh litigation that could occur. So, I
don't think we should be working this
[1:53:46] during the public meeting. If you would
like to talk to the resident afterwards,
[1:53:50] etc., that's fine. But I I I got to tell
you not to not to do this on the mics
[1:53:55] any longer.
>> Yeah.
[1:53:56] » Okay. Okay.
Can I um speak to I think this is
[1:54:02] separate. You can inform me the comment
about the boundaries of the project and
[1:54:06] how that was set.
>> Um certainly understand the frustration
[1:54:11] there and I know we spoke about this one
day out out walking. Um
[1:54:17] and and so you know the infrastructure
committee was was not
[1:54:22] was not the sole deciding factor there
when it comes to projects of that size
[1:54:26] and scale. you know, we reviewed it and
spent a lot of time developing um what
[1:54:31] the alternatives were and what the
options were and the costings were, but
[1:54:34] the decisions went to council and it w
went through multiple rounds of review
[1:54:39] and refinement and discussion and and
ultimately um this did come down to how
[1:54:44] much money we were we had. Um
I I certainly share the frustration. I
[1:54:50] think a lot of us do. We would love to
have done more and we would love to have
[1:54:53] done the whole street. that was
something that uh I know had come up um
[1:54:57] even years before that and and there's a
lot of interest in doing that on
[1:55:00] Belvadier Street and in this particular
case we did have to focus on the sewer
[1:55:06] separation project and we had um a lot
that we wanted to get done and the costs
[1:55:12] were very high and it did go through
multiple rounds of review trying to
[1:55:16] figure out um amidst all of council um
how how we could get the necessary
[1:55:23] repairs to the sewer done um and still
make it fit into our budget. And that
[1:55:27] was that was basically the reason why
the the boundaries were set as they
[1:55:31] were. Um
>> yeah, and I think from when I started to
[1:55:36] get involved on council, the stop was
prior right in the middle of Belvadier.
[1:55:41] It was not the whole street. And I was
told that there's we have this is where
[1:55:47] we're stopping based on the grant money
and everything else. So I've never heard
[1:55:51] of it going past there. It could have
been the discussions prior to that, but
[1:55:55] I've never heard it going past that
point.
[1:55:58] » That is where the extent of the sewer
separation project was, which is where
[1:56:03] the extent of the
the the funding that we got from Alcasan
[1:56:07] ended. So, had we extended it further,
we would not have
[1:56:11] been able to get the same match money.
Um I I do recall conversations about
[1:56:16] trying to extend it further and those
conversations did not get very far
[1:56:19] because we could not afford we couldn't
afford it.
[1:56:25] » Okay. So the request too was as we
consider our paving budget for next year
[1:56:30] is to to consider Belvadier Street as
part of that. Um
[1:56:36] yeah then oh the comment about public
works um working on the bricks the
[1:56:41] separation of the bricks
I I I think we had said that frier
[1:56:47] whoever was the ones that were coming to
>> separate the bricks yeah it's not public
[1:56:52] » I think her point was just you know if
we were to start having public works go
[1:56:55] down there to sort bricks that's
opportunity cost where they aren't uh
[1:57:00] » trimming the trimming the plants on
um you know on that corner that was
[1:57:06] brought up earlier by the school etc. So
>> all right those were all them um anybody
[1:57:13] else? Linda
[1:57:23] » Linda Wniaak 1773 bar um what's the
format going to be for the crafted
[1:57:30] athletic field open houses the November
December. Is that a
[1:57:37] is that a presentation to us about
what's going to be done or are we still
[1:57:43] in a talk back and forth mode? Um,
also when will the final decision be
[1:57:52] made regarding the disposition of the
field? I've heard the end of the year.
[1:57:56] That's when it was going to be finished.
Um, some people alluded to it might be
[1:58:00] early next year, but I'd like to know a
little bit more closely what the date
[1:58:04] would be. And also, um, what's the
funding ratio for each of our pension
[1:58:09] plans right now? Um, especially since
we'll be moving to a new plan
[1:58:14] hypothetically or possibly. Um, but I'd
like to know what that ratio is.
[1:58:22] » All right. Um, the format for the open
house
[1:58:27] Um, I don't think we have a we don't
have a we don't have knowledge of what
[1:58:31] the format will be at this time. Um,
most likely it's still a listening
[1:58:35] session. So, there's no it's not going
to be um something that's just going to
[1:58:40] be presented as like this is a solution.
It's just going to be what we've heard
[1:58:43] and presenting back what we've heard is
my understanding. Um um but I don't
[1:58:48] there's not going to be a um there's not
going to be a this is what is happening.
[1:58:54] Um and that is the choice and when that
happens I think it's the choice of
[1:58:57] council beyond that
>> and that'll still be led by the
[1:59:01] comprehend
[1:59:08] and their scope is intended to finish by
the end of December but they are not
[1:59:12] responsible for choosing what happens
with that site. They are only
[1:59:14] responsible for leading this process of
listening and gathering community ideas
[1:59:19] and then putting together a report um
that combines what they heard and gives
[1:59:24] us um you know some some different uh
summaries of what was heard and some of
[1:59:30] the top ideas and trends that were heard
and combines that also with a little bit
[1:59:33] of market analysis of what is what is
viable. But um they they are that is
[1:59:39] their entire scope. They are not
deciding um they will finish their scope
[1:59:43] roughly end of this year but they are
not making any decisions um and no no
[1:59:48] land sale will happen um as a part of
that.
[1:59:53] It is informative for us and and more
importantly informative for the school
[1:59:58] district since they own the largest part
of the property.
[2:00:03] And um the final or the funding ratio
for the pension plans
[2:00:08] » uh both of the pension plans are funded
over 100%. Um so
[2:00:13] » they're overfunded at this point.
>> Yep.
[2:00:15] » Um Linda, that's Yeah.
>> Did I use my three minutes?
[2:00:19] » Doesn't matter. Yeah, we stopped.
>> Three minutes is
[2:00:23] » we're not having Q&A. So
>> And yeah. And then as far as the timing
[2:00:28] for Lynden, right, like you had said,
"Oh, end of year was kind of their
[2:00:32] timeline for engaging with us in the
community and then giving us some
[2:00:36] artifacts and analysis to share with the
school board and um but ultimately like
[2:00:42] the school board owns
um like the largest parcel there and
[2:00:48] it's kind of the you know it's a private
sale. They could they could go sell that
[2:00:52] tomorrow and not wait on us if they felt
like it. Um obviously we're working
[2:00:57] pretty hard and we have uh you know Mr.
Shrivever and other folks showing up to
[2:01:02] meetings uh and engaging. So I I would
doubt that uh anything would happen
[2:01:08] before then. But um you know I don't
know that we have much control over the
[2:01:12] timing beyond
you know what we're trying to do for
[2:01:15] input sessions.
[2:01:19] » Correct. So, we're clarifying that p the
funding is 100% or better for pension.
[2:01:25] » Yes. Yep. Um I think uh I think um if
the last time I looked, the last report
[2:01:33] I remember 108 was for the um police
pens and pan pension plan and 118 was
[2:01:40] the number for the uh but again that's
the last time I looked. Not not um
[2:01:45] confirming that. I'd have to check the
numbers there. Yep. Okay.
[2:01:49] All right. Anybody else?
>> Can I ask another question?
[2:01:53] » Did I already use mine?
>> I just had another question.
[2:01:58] » No, you used your time.
>> I didn't
[2:02:02] 21 Warren Street.
>> No. Yeah, we only let people talk on
[2:02:05] time.
>> Oh, I didn't.
[2:02:07] » You can ask anybody question after the
meeting.
[2:02:16] any Well, I guess it's just Ben or
>> Ken anybody
[2:02:21] online? Okay. Nope. Okay. All right. It
is 9:03. Meeting adjourned. Thank you.