I'm Mayor Mandy Martin, and I call this township of
Crammy special council meeting. Friday, January 24 at order.
We are meeting at the Keeler center and there is
some hybrid or Zoom connection going on. For people as
well. As we gather, we would like to formally recognize
the traditional keepers of this land and specifically our neighbors
of the Alderville First Nation, we respectfully acknowledge that Crammy
Township is located on the Mississauga Ashinabic territory. The traditional
territory of the Mississauga. Grammy township respectfully acknowledges that the
Mississauga nations are the collective stewards and caretakers of these
lands and waters in perpetuity, and they continue to maintain
this responsibility to ensure their health and integrity for generations
to come. Item three, recording equipment. In accordance with bylaw
20 20 17, members of the public are to advise
the mayor or the clerk of the use of devices
for transcribing or recording the proceedings of open session by
auditory or visual means prior to the meeting. Item four
agenda, question period. Have we any questions submitted? Item five,
confirmation of our agenda. And the resolution reads, be it
resolved, that council approved the agenda. As presented. Could I
move her into second, or. Please. Move to Hamilton second.
Any discussion. All in favor? Aye, Arthur. I Hamilton ice
driver benign. Martin I. The resolution is carried. Have any
members of council, any declarations of conflict. By their pecuniary
or otherwise, to declare. Seeing none. We will have opening
comments regarding our budget deliberations this morning from our treasurer
rub nadim. Please proceed. Thank you through your madam. Merit
to the members of council. Good morning, everybody. This is
part two of. Our budget meetings for 2025, where we
are reviewing all the issue papers that have been submitted.
By the departments. When we met last time we covered
up until the recreation. And parts and recreation issue papers.
So we'll be starting with facilities, which is Fac. 125,
which is the first issue paper to be reviewed. Thank
you. And the resolution reads, be it resolved, that council
approve, deny or defer this budget request of $8,000 funded
through reserves to repair the Colburn town clock. Could I
move her? Into second or please. And then discussion. Second
scrabber. Discussion. This is an upper limit, is
that correct? This is an upper limit for this. Yes.
Upper limit. Okay. Pardon me. Yeah, it was on last
year's budget, et cetera, was dropped. There may be other
ways to cut costs. And of course, we are encouraging
all departments to be innovative. And examine all options. Is
there any discussion on this? Is this pro or con?
Joel. Through you, Madam mayor. Maybe. I guess to rub
out. I'm just curious. I think last year when this
came to us, it was proposed to come out of
taxation, and I see this. Here. It's reserves. Are you
able to say what reserve it's getting pulled from, potentially?
Sure. So it's coming out from the Colburn town hall
reserves, the same reserves that. Were referred to last time
we and we met for the filing. For all the
record management. Yes. Last year it was proposed to be
funded through taxation. This year. The way the issue paper
was brought forward, it is to be funded through reserves
for 8000. It'll be the Quoburn Town hall resource. Yes,
deputy mayor Arthur. And if I may, through you to
rub up rubb. What is our reserve amount in that?
Account. So it was about 90,000 before we actually funded
the other project from it, so I believe the cost
of that was about 10,000, but with the understanding that
it could be more than that. It was at that
amount. So we have to take the 10,000 off of
the 90. So about 80, roughly. Thank you. And if
I may. I 100% agree. We've got to look at
covering costs. And on the other side, of it is.
How long do we let a building look at? It's
something not working. People coming into the municipality. I'm not
saying that they all are going to look high and
see the clock, but. On the same side. If we're
not looking after things for long periods of time, that's
not good for us either. So with that amount being
in reserves, I'm going to say I agree to proceed
with it this year. Are you moving that?
Scriber. I will second that. Any further discussion. All in
favor? Aye, Arthur. I hamilton. Ice driver.
Naveen eggman. I'm Andy Martin. So it carries eight AB
facilities. Report 225 Castleton Town hall, brickwork. Be it resolved,
that council approved, denied or defer this budget request for
$30,000 for the Castleton town hall brickwork funded through taxation.
Could I have a mover? Into seconder, please. Moved Hamilton
second scriber. Discussion. Yay or nay, folks?
I will. Go ahead. It is time to do the
pointing on some of that and even some of the
bricks, actually. Have to be replaced. It's another one of
these. Well, do you fix it or get. Rid of
it, and we can't get rid of it, so we
got to fix it. Councilor Hamilton. Thank you, Madam Mayor.
Through you to the rest of council, as the daughter
of a bricklayer. I looked at that and I'm like,
we have to fix that sooner. Rather than later. Okay.
Do we have a mover? I will move that we
repair the building. For an upper limit of $20,000.
Do we have a secondary. Please note that the resolution
is for $30,000. Second Hamilton for 30,000.
Right. Are we adjusting the number? To what? It's the
ask. Deputy mayor Arthur.
Thank you. And if I may, as one follow up.
Can you just confirm the corner that this is at?
Is this anything to do with the north? Side and
the slope roof problems we've had before where all the
water was going in. That is now fixed. Three you,
Madam Mayor, to members of council, specifically deputy mayor Arthur.
My understanding is there is some. Brickwork on the side,
but majority of this is at the front door that's
falling. Off. Yes, I do want to state it is
in the report that this is a heritage building as
well, so it's prudent that it's be fixed and maintained
as it should. Any further discussion. All in favor? Aye,
Arthur. Aye. Hamilton, ice driver. Ben Egman? Aye. Mark Nye.
The resolution is carried. Eight AC facilities report 325, counsel
floor. Repair. The resolution reads, be it resolved that council
approve, deny or defer this budget request for $10,000 for
the Castleton town hall floor repair, funded through tax. Taxation.
Could I have a mover in a second, or. Please.
Move, scriber. To start discussion all second. Discussion, Mr. Van
eggman. No. There's a lot of things in this township
that needs upgrading before the floor and the. Town hall
there, or whatever we want to call that upstairs. There
are some raw areas, but it doesn't need to be.
It's not a priority. Any further comments? Do you want
to make a motion? Motion to deny. Yes, I'll second
that. Building is beautiful, and I'm glad we're getting the
front of it repaired, but. Just in the essence of
prudence. I don't think it's the right time. To do
the floor. It's a shame because it's a beautiful building,
but I'll second that. In any further discussion. All in
favor of turning this down? I. Am. Okay, ice driver.
Benign. Martin I the resolution. Do not proceed with. This
is carried eight b. Transportation services public works issue paper
125 2025. Gravel crushing. And the resolution reads, be it
resolved, that council approve, deny or defer this budget request
to fund. $75,000 for gravel crushing, funded through taxation. Could
I remove her into second or. Please. Move to an
eggman. Second, Hamilton. Discussion. I need a motion. Maybe I
just have a very quick question on the paper. There's
a line item for the rehabilitation that Tim and Phil.
I'm just curious. Like, from my own understanding. What that
consists of. Through the ministry. We have to do some
rehabilitation on the pit. In the yearly and it's reported
basically to the ministry. So part of it is, along
with the agravel and nagra produced, we have to do.
Some rehab. So along with them producing the gravel, there
is rehab that's done every year. For the pit. Yeah,
thanks for that. I just wasn't sure.
I. Hamilton ice driver benigmund. Aye, martin, I.
Voted to approve eight BB public works. Workswalk replacement. Be
it resolved, the council approve, deny or defer this budget
request to fund $25,000 from taxation for the replacement of
the crosswalk. Could I move her into seconder, please? I
will move just for discussion at this point. Second. Discussion.
Deputy mayor. Thank you. And if I may so this
one's concerning to me just as what are we replacing
it with? Because the concern that I have is this
crosswalk. I don't think we've had any serious accidents, but
I'll tell you. Sometimes in the afternoon, it's not bright
enough. I don't know if it's. Not loud enough, it's
not bright enough. Are we looking at something? To better
the area there. Like a larger one, louder one, brighter
one. What are we looking at? We're looking at an
r 920 MX. It's got rfbs that's. Actually flashing beacons
on it. It's a solar powered, if you want to
look. At one. It's going across some lake Ridge Chrysler
and Port Hope. They've got the same setup that we're
looking at it through, named the companies through Carmont and
goes through ats. So that's we're looking at and taking
off. That. So if there's heavy equipment or something going
through, Sandra. That it'll be too going. So there's flashing,
so it's more prevalent. Basically coming in instead of just
the little lights on top. So we're looking at the
same thing as in port hope that they did for
it, and it does have the flash and beacons with
the button, and it's a solar pallet with a solar
powered with. A backup electric. So, Tim, this is the
one in front of the bank. I was all along
thinking it was the corner one, which is a bigger
problem. Because you can pull up to the crosswalk there
and not see any traffic coming. So I'm not. Sure
that will have to be addressed at some point, and
the same as the crosswalk that comes across the park
and enters. Onto. Would that be Percy? I'm not even
sure what that would be like in the middle of
across the dentist office. And I think maybe we could
have that one joined to the one at the corner.
But the one at the corner is too far up,
so you can't see the traffic coming. I was just
confused. And now it's clear because it says highway too.
King street. Yeah. There's a couple of different spots, but
we're starting with the King street. One, too. That there's
been. It's been frozen a lot of times, been fixed.
So we're starting with the king street one and then
with new subdivisions coming on as well, there's going to
have to be further crosswalks. And look at what design
is going to have to be is further even down
towards foxtale on. King street, coming across from Foxtail south
there. Getting across to the sidewalk on the other side.
So there's a number of places that we could start
putting the crosswalks also. Legislation of seeing where exactly and
what type of crosswalk has to be put there. But
the intention of this one, councilman, was the King street
one in front of the bank. But if you guys
want to put $50,000, we can put another one. Across.
Or we can switch that one or put it there.
Or leave the one on King Street. I will add
that the one that is at the bank. Was. Designed.
By. It was in place by a welder. It's timely
change that one to get. Up to where everything sets
back, basically. Yes, Councilor Hamilton. Thank you, Madam
Mayor. Through you to the rest of council and staff,
I agree that we need to replace. This crosswalk, but
I would like to echo councilor van Eggman's concerns about
the entire area around Victoria park, that is. A very
high risk area for all traffic, pedestrian, car, you name
it. I think we need at some point to put
that high on the priority list. As needing a solution
or multiple solutions, if I may. So what do we
have here? The resolution is to accept. So that is
our resolution. It's on the floor to approve. All in
favor? Aye. Arts. I, hamilton ice driver bennigma.
Martin I. It is proved eight BC Public Works report
325. A new half ton truck. The resolution reads, be
it resolved, that council approved deny or defer. This budget
request of $50,000 to purchase a new half ton truck
funded through taxation. Could I have a move in a
second, or. Please, for discussion. Moved Hamilton. Second van Eggman.
Discussion. Deputy Merritt. Thank you. And through you two. I'll
do this to rub up first because I spoke to
her on this. I was wondering. If we have a
map of some sort that goes, that shows us the
amount of vehicles that we have thank you. In each
one of the departments. It just allows us a visual
as to how many we have, what needs to be.
Can we share something? Whatever, and I ask for it.
For the fire department as well, because when they talk
about numbers on the trucks. Yes, we're, somewhat familiar, but
if you've got a visual. With a number. What's it
north? What's it south? The same thing with some. Of
these snowflake trucks, et cetera. Even the half tons and
parks should be included. In this as well. Just allows
us. Allows me, anyway. I don't know, maybe arrested council.
Doesn't have the concern. How many trucks do we have?
Yes, you see it on our asset management list, but
it's not showing just where they all are. So you've
got something? Yes, we do have a list that was
used for another project. Trackmatics. That list all of the
fleet. It doesn't have the age on it again, we
can put something more. Comprehensive together. Or it does. It
has a year. Sorry. My bad. Okay. It has a
year of the vehicle, so I can just regulate this.
1 second.
Okay, while everybody's studying this, let's keep moving. What are
the questions that you have? Deputy mayor Arthur. As a
follow up to that. So this 2009. Again. So which
one would that be on this particular list? And the
other thing is, what are we looking at that we're
looking at a half. Ton for $50,000. Not that I'm
picking on anyone here. But a year ago, I bought
a half ton. That can be the most basic of
all basics. And there was nowhere near. So do we
have privilege pricing that we're getting this, that? We know
that we can be at $50,000. I just would like
to have a follow up, please. Yes, we have a
quote right here. We did a lot of research to
find the best deal. We can and actually went to
a dealership that will give us a municipal discount. And
we have all the paperwork right here. We're also looking
at a basic. Some of them, even now, is you
can still get inventory that's on the ground for 0%
financing we've done went down that. Path if there is
something there. But we do have all of the, not
all of the dealerships. Will offer you a municipal discount.
Some of them will give you. A fleet discount, but
will now give you a municipal discount. Fortunate. There is
one that will give us a municipal discount. In the
truck that he had there. Was just at $50,000. For.
That was a four x four, brand new. That was
a 2020. It was between 2025. GM. That we're looking
at. Because it's going to be with what he has
on the ground.
Any other questions? Yes. Council,
shredder. Yeah, through you, Madam Mayor. Tim, am I correct
to say the nine is not on the list just
because it's not in service right now. I don't think
it's on here, but maybe I'm. Not seeing it right.
Yeah, it's out of service. Yes. The truck that we're
requesting to replace it is out of service and like
the report says it is used beyond. Eight to nine
years beyond its expected useful life at this point. And
it's beyond the repair stage. That's why it had to
be pulled out of service. There's also a 2011 that's
rusted out completely. We can trade. If you want to
save, we can take one of parks and recs or.
Building departments trucks and get them a car or something
like we're willing to work with. Whatever has to be
done. And we're willing to take a four cylinder as
opposed to an eight cylinder if it's going to be
patrolling, so we're willing to work. With it at ever.
I think what should be emphasized here is that some
of these trucks are in bad shape. They could be
pulled right now, frankly. So the other thing that I'm
really pleased about is the innovation and the pricing and.
Looking at the options, and, senator, you're talking about an
inventory of all the vehicles and. So on. And we
look at each other and compare across, and I think
that is what we have to do. We have to
look across all departments and look at our inventory and
how we can. Maximize use between departments as well, and
I think that's what's happening here. I think that's what's
being looked at. I think 50,000 comes with an actual
quote. An actual offer. Anyway. Yes, Councilor Hamilton and then
councilor van Eggman and then councilor Luxon. Shriver. I'm sorry.
I'll kick this off. Thank you, Madam Mayor. To the
rest of council, I am in. Favor of upgrading this
fleet. I think we've known since I was elected that
the fleet for the transportation department is. Aging would be
a polite word. It looks like the homework has been
done. And I have to admit, and I said this
at our last meeting that when I first went through
these issue papers and saw that they had identified a
potential purchase for $20,000 less than what the parks and
rec issue paper identified. I am in favor of us
making this purchase and allowing it to move forward. Yeah.
When they've got to hand me down and it's still
in use and it's one of their better trucks. And
when the MPO sets up at 401 and when you
got to drive around. And I know what that's all
about. I take a different road. And our works department.
Shouldn't have to do that, and I know that's happening.
May I just say, the Lovesham family was very famous.
In Durham, actually, in what is now Clarington. Lufton was
a judge, and his son was an MP and then
an MP. And you would look very much like the
sun. So. I'm sorry, that's from. Years ago. My old
Rolodex is slipping. Thank you for that. The only comment
through you, madam Air. Yeah. Maybe. Can't say I'm new
anymore, but it's really valuable for me. To see the
inventory. And a lot of these trucks are really old,
so all the questions are just. Like the hardware stuff
is sometimes hard for me to wrap my head around,
but the 50K is a tremendous deal, and we'd be
remiss not to take advantage of it. Because. It's essentially
almost half price, assuming. The municipal discount can come through,
so. Yeah. Well done, guys. We got eight and eleven
s and 13s on here. It's now 2025. So well
done. Okay. Do we have a resolution for approval? Moved.
Van eggman. Second, Hamilton. Any further discussion. All
in favor? Aye, Arthur. I Hamilton Ice driver Benigmund. Aye,
Martin. I. It is approved eight BD public works. Single
axel plow reserve transfer. Be it resolved, that council approved,
deny or defer this budget. Request to allocate $75,000 to
reserves in 2025 using taxation revenue for a purchase of
a single axle plow to be replaced in 2026. If
I have a mover into seconder, please? Moved Hamilton second
scriber. Discussion. Yes. Thank you, madam Mayor. My question
is regarding the numbers in the body of the issue
paper. Allocate 70,000 them, but later it's requesting 75,000. Can
we get clarification on whether it's 70 or 75? Yes,
my apologies on that. That should be 75. That's what
the resolution reads is 75. It shouldn't say 70 on
top of the first line of the issue paper. It
should. Be 75. By May mandy. This is not a
new truck, though, is it? This is just putting money
into reserves. Talk to Rubb. There's about 330,000. In the
road equipment reserves currently. So we're looking to order a
truck. That would be, hopefully if we get ordered for
winter of next year to get through with the four
and five single locks that we have currently. And that
would be hopefully becoming by December of this year beginning.
So for, hopefully for snow season if we get something
through and ordered. So it's also coming down the pipe
that once that is, the reserves will be gone, basically.
So we're looking to. Because down the road, it'll be
looking. For tandem axle. Next we'll be in building the
reserves for that, so that's. Why we just put the
75,000. That would cover the cost. It's around $350,000. For
an ordered truck that we're sitting at right now. If
we get it. Order. Could I ask? Is the order
going in now so that we're going to be bound
to it? Because right now, There are a lot of
trucks out there that are with less than 20,000k on
them that could be adopted to what we need now.
I know we need to plow on. Right. And it
has to have a spreader or no spreader. We're constantly
looking at different options, Ed, and researching. The Internet with
what's available there. And the problem is, it's a single
axle. Snow plow truck. And with the new subdivisions and
everything we have coming on, we need that. Single axle.
And they are out there. But the whole problem is
getting the rate spring weight in them. The front end
and the rear end for hauling the sand and everything.
It's kind of a specialty truck in the single axle.
Lots of single axles, but. Not with the springs and
what you need available in the truck and when. It
comes with that truck. Everything's all plumbed and everything. It's
hard to find a single axle that'll actually do what
we need to. Do going into the future. Yeah. The
only question I had. I guess it's farew Bob through
Madam air. I'm just curious. Is there any other mechanism
we could pull the money from? Like, can we use
the gas tax? Or is there any other reserve that
we could use? That's for sure. I mean, we can
look at the gas tax funding. I'm not entirely sure.
My guess is that, yes, we can use the funding,
but I can confirm that for us if this could
be funded through. Gas tax funding. I also like to
mention that. As Tim pointed out, there's $330,000 left on
the reserves, and if we make the issue paper is
about just transferring additional 75,000 into reserves. So when we're
ready to make that purchase. There are funds available and
that we're not going to deplete the reserves completely after
this purchase. But, yeah, I can look into the gas
tax. Funding. I'd like to add, too. Actually, the truck
we are replacing is, well, the oldest one. Is an
four and the other one is an five where every
time we go out, we're. Constantly fixing it, nursing it
through for the next storm. But the one that we
do actually have, there's absolutely no floors left in the
truck. So this is definitely something we need. To put
in place. Capable of decision. Cokes capable of a motion
here. Move by Mr. Van Eggman to approve. Is there
a secondary? Yeah. The only thing I'd add is I'd
like to explore ways to not. Take the money from
taxation if we can do it. I'm in favor of.
Supporting it. But if we can find alternative ways to
fund it, like the gas tax and I'd be in
favor of that. All in favor?
Aye, Arthur. I. Hamilton ice driver benigmund. Aye. Martin, I.
The resolution is approved with caveats for alternate investigation of
funding. Construction. Hca construction.
Construction projects. Be it resolved that council approve, deny or
defer this budget request for all construction projects to be
funded through OSIF gas tax funding and taxation. Could I
have a mover? Into secondary, please. Moved Hamilton. Second van
ignited. Discussion. The issue paper outlines the projects that are
proposed. Yes.
Thank you, Madam Mayor. Through you to the rest of
council. The funding options are listed, and I'm wondering if
we have any kind of a breakdown. Of how much
will come from where? It's actually on. The second last
page of the issue paper, right under financial impact. It
says the following projects will be funded through OSF grant
for $153,763 the gas tax reserves for 350,000 and taxation
for 757 849. You're welcome.
If I may rub, can we review that one more
time? Because in the financial impact, it says 861,000. And
those three figures certainly don't add up to 861,000. Or
over a million. Yes, because that is because. If you
look at the summary of the issue papers, we break
out the construction projects and the rehabilitation and the sidewalk
replacement. So they are all listed at two different categories.
That's what we've done historically is we like to break
out the cost on the summary paper, so if you
add the 861 612 plus the two, plus the two,
that would add up. To the number. Thank you. I'm
going to add a bomb here. I'd like to see
the downtown streetscape addressed and completed. The share I would
like to see the. And again, it's under safety as
well. The curves at the bottom of maybe lane. Finished
as was originally proposed. We sat on this project for
six years, and that's where the money that we originally
got from the province was supposed to go. And it
disappeared here, there and everywhere. I would like to see
the downtown. Project. Streetscape finished. In the range of $50,000.
So in terms of construction or how you put it,
under sidewalks or you do safety or whatever, There are
any number of ways we can assign it and assess
it, but it has to be completed. As far as
I'm concerned. So. I proposely add $50,000 to the
construction budget one way or the other for the downtown
streetscape completion. What we're trying to do with the sidewalks.
Is right now we're working on the east end, so
as we come into the town, Because I had a
lot of complaints last year about weeds and things growing
up through the sideblocks. So what we're doing is. We
started this year right around the doctor's office where we
left off previous three years. Ago or two years ago,
and I'm trying to take it right down to the
east. That way. As you approach Colburn, you're coming in
and we're trying to. Get everything set up so that
we can work towards some crosswalks, some signage, and make
everything safe, because I've really been noticing that the traffic
coming into town, coming from the east. Basically, it's crazy.
We've got no windows for snow removal anymore. I can't
believe how busy it is uptown. So to me, this
is very important that we get everything lined up with
our sidebox, our curbs. And so on. So once we
can get our signs in place and maybe get some
radar signs, and then bring it into town and get
the proper crossbox in place and then bring them. Around
the park and maybe put some crosswalks in there, but
that's what the intent is to start down that way.
And we're almost there, basically. And we're at a point
now where this year, where we can start making both
sides. Look really nice. As you enter the village. It's
not just a matter of aesthetics. It's all part of
this crosswalk. Replacement as well, and the safety. The maybe
lane one way traffic up is the road is chewed
to heck and the curbs are all raw and exposed
and people trip and carry on and whatever. It's as
much safety as anything. It's not just. Aesthetic. I think
that this needs to be completed, and then we can
build on this in terms of. The whole blow of
the traffic around Victoria park and how we have to
once again, Pound on the county doors and get them
to recognize that we do indeed have some issues here.
And they keep saying there isn't enough traffic. All they
have to do is stand there on the step. And
watch the zoo. On some afternoons, particularly with the EDR.
Designation that we have running through town. All of this
matters. All of this. Which is another reason. Why that
crosswalk has to come out. Some of the transport trucks
are oversized and they're catching on that sign like it's.
Nuts. We have to do it. And by the way,
I don't see anybody else provincially. Stepping in to help
us. So I'm done with them. We're going to do
it ourselves. To the best of our ability and for
the safety of our people. So. Yes, Councilor Hamilton. Thank
you, Madam Mayor. Through you to the rest of council
and staff, I echo your concerns about. The remaining dangling
safety issues in the downtown core. I do think that
they, at the very least, need to be addressed, and
at some point. I'm in favor of beautification of that
area as well, and making it more user friendly in
terms of. Sitting places. And greenery. And such. So I
would like the downtown court to stay on the radar
for this municipality as well. If I could add that
we do now know that the connecting link. Has nothing.
Is owned by Crammy Township. I've talked to the county
numerous times. And we are in possession of the connecting
link from Ontario street to Colton. So that area in
between is our responsibility to take care of. So what
you're talking about from the town? Haller man. That's on
crammy. From what I understand is what? It's our responsibility
to take care of it, and I might add, with
the area of the crosswalk. That is a terrible. Most
dangerous spot in the township right now, like the curb
work and the catch basin. Are so far out of
elevation, it's hard to clean, it's hard to do. The
snow work there. We're catching. There actually was an accident.
There. The last apple, boss. And we had uptown before
this previous one. So it's a really bad spot there,
and we could do a lot to make it. A
lot safer. Thank you. When the provincial government throws snap
election, they don't have time to give us any grants.
So I know there's no money coming in. It's a
good move that way. For them. If it's not already
on the floor, I'll make a motion. That we go
ahead with what's planned and also the 50,000 added wherever
we have to add it. To finish the downtown, but
it should be done after. The crosswalk is done for
sure. Arthur. Thank you. When I look at this, the
main one is. The pulverization and base repairs. Some of
this work was done there in the fall. My one
concern is on Orchard Road from Big Apple. We went
from Orchard Road, big Apple to the west. Honest to
God, from County Road 25 to the Apple entrance is
a disgrace. I mean, the holes and the things and
the cost and complaints that we get and the amount
of traffic we have. Why are we not including that
in this? One of my questions, the other is. Last
year we did something different. Where we had Lake Road
and Lake Road took an awful lot. Of my time
this past summer with constant complaints from everybody where we
worked it up and we didn't do the surface treatment
back. And was that really to our advantages or ways
that we can not do that in the future? In
that particular one. I mean, obviously we had lots of
people concerned with. Well, I mean, we know that there
was orchards there. We know that there was livestock there.
Can we look at a different way of doing that,
or is that really to our advantages to what we
did. As I've explained numerous times. We now are to
a point where we can actually do our construction a
lot faster, and we have the ability. Now that we're
in the position. Like, for example, this year we're going
to be surface treating in June. So that gives us
more time to get what we it took. I thought
it would take five. Years. As I explained numerous times,
it's taken three. So now we are in a position.
Where we can actually plan this out. And get things
done as we do. As far as Lake Road. The
problem we had out there is again, we had that
property bar. In the middle of the intersection. So that
was a reason that we couldn't surf a street. I
don't know if everyone was aware of that, but that
was an issue that we had to take care of
through other avenues. If we go back to the big
apple there. Sandra, I totally agree. I would love to
do something there, but again. We're working with the big
Apple, trying to figure out what they want. Do they
want. The water. Do they want the sewer? So that
area should actually. Be asphalt. And therefore, I think with
the Big Apple, the amount of traffic they have going
in there should be input from them to assist in
Crammy township with the traffic in there and how. It
should be hot asphalt, maybe curb and gutter. And at
the time we do that, we put in the sanitary
sewers in the water main, because right now we have
the water meat. Running. Across property. So this is kind
of what we're waiting for. With the big Apple. We're
in talks with them. That never seemed to go too
far. But. This is the problem there, but I would
definitely agree with you 100%. It's a section that needs
to be done, but we need the big apple. In
place. Also to decide how we're moving with the sewer
and water. If I may, can we not do a
simple solution from the apple back to 25? My simple.
Terms of shaven pave. I mean, so something that's done
on a temporary basis. Is definitely not going to until
we get that agreement for the sewer or water, but
at least it's something because. Some of those holes that
are constantly, if we leave them like that, we're probably
spending more in colpatch and staff time, et cetera, going
there and then the potential of the lawsuits we have
because some of them have become greaters. The whole. So
is there something we can look at? As I say,
as simple as a shave. And pave until we get
in full agreement. That's not a lot of money lost.
But maybe it's even something that the apple would change.
If not, it's something we should do or we're going
to be in lawsuits. 100%. I'd love to do that.
We could use a premium regrind and. Just like we
did on Tarot street down there. I've been watching it
for three. Years now. It worked really well. We just
have to do some ditching there. And again. The areas
that we did pulverize late in the year. These were
areas that we're going to constantly patching, putting bandaids on
them that we no longer could fix anymore. And every
day we patch them, we plow. The next day. All
the material end up in the ditch. We're spending a
lot of money on these. Spots so in my mind.
I had them pulverized because. They're actually liabilities. They are
not assets. Them. Sections of roads are not assets for
us right now. They're huge. Huge liabilities. Very unsafe. I
bought school buses. Yes. With council support. I would love
to take these areas and just do something to get
us through. The next couple, three, four, five years. And
like I said, what we did with Ontario Street, I
watched for four. It's going on four years now, so.
I know that it would last and. It would be
actually help us out a lot and save a lot
of money, a lot of citywide calls, complaints, tires, rims,
front ends. So, yeah, it would work. I'm quite confident.
Are we at with a resolution? Yeah. If you'd like
to throw orchard on there from 25 in, then that's.
Definitely something. That we could. Take care of.
Three amount of marriage members of council Debbie Mayor Arthur
for Orchard I think we need to be cautious of
how we proceed forward with Orchard Road. I understand that
that section. Is in need of repair. But the big
apple brings in over 200 buses a day. On top
of the vehicles and on top of everything else. If
you're going to bring a road to a grade. It
must be a grade that's going to support the second.
You touch it. So if you're going to touch that
road and you're going to put something in that isn't
up to the standard that's going to hold. We're in
the same predicament as we are in the beginning, so
to me, if you're going to do it, you do
it right the first time as opposed to putting something
on it that could potentially. Isn't going to last with
the amount of traffic that's there in the first place
is a connecting link to the MTO, which has a
easement through that section. It also connects to a county
road. So this isn't just our portion. It's also the
portion that connects to and what that is and how
that supports. So to me, I think there's some more
investigation that needs to go forward before we put an
amount. Or what we're going to do there, but that's
my opinion. I couldn't agree more, but I just know
that there is something that we can do. There to
do a light pulverization. Of take it down an inch
or whatever, level it out, do a little bit of
ditching. That would. Save the staff time and the problems
with the we definitely have to do something soon to
fix the holes up there. Whatever we can do up
there, it would be good to be able to do
something.
And if I may, and I agree with. What our
Cao was saying. But on the same side, it's not
just the big Apple. That use that road. There's lots
of us as residents that use that road on a
constant basis. And even these storms are going, so we're
not going to stop that. Is it something that? Yes.
We need to further investigate to see whether MTO or
different ones want to participate. In this, such as the
apple as well. But for right now, If we're going
to put $50,000 in. For the downstairs, maybe lane. These
graders. I mean, if anybody hasn't been through it, and
I mean, the guys go, and do it. And I
mean within the first rainfall or whatever. Those secretarian. It's
awful. So we can't just leave it like that, but.
They're constantly just filling it up in a day or
two later or a week, depending. On what mother nature
is doing to us is back. Somebody is going to
get seriously hurt or some serious damage done that's going
to cost us, so I would like to see extra.
Money, whatever that potential may be, so. Whether we defer
this until our next meeting and maybe staff are able
to bring back the possibility of. What to do. A
quick shave and pay would be. And if they come
back and say it's? $200,000. No, I don't want to
waste the taxpayers money. $200,000 but on the same side,
if it's less and we can do something. Then I'm
for that. So I would defer this until we can
possibly come back. Maybe look at the options that you've
asked on. Maybe lean, maybe look at the potential. Of
what that would be from 25 to the. Apple entrance.
For now. Then I would suggest that that be a
separate issue paper then not to prefer all of these.
For the sake of that. The other thing. With that
section of road, the whole road is compromised. It needs
a whole road, as Holly was. Trying to indicate or
did indicate. It's not just a matter of prettying it
up. The whole road is compromised now, every time we
go there. And try to talk to them about water
or sewer or. Other expanding infractions. We come away with
something that we think we have an agreement, we think
they're going to do it this way or they're going.
To install a waterline along the roadway to facilitate whatever.
Two weeks later, the water line is going squirrely all
over the property. So we delay and we meet and
we negotiate and we talk and we thought, what's the
best way and for the future. It is becoming quite
impossible. To the point where really. Get your shit together.
Because I'm done. I couldn't agree more, but there again,
I've been hearing these stories for 15 years. So council.
Has to. Counsel has to make some hard decisions here.
So that's all we ever do is wait. Well. We
got to make a move because someone is going to
get hurt in these spots. You guys do whatever you
want, but if you're just going to keep waiting for
all these things. It's never going to happen. So we
have to do something up there. It's cost us a
lot of money. It's a huge liability. So whether or
not we go in there and fix the road, right?
Or just make it so it's accessible for next couple
of years, whatever. But we have to do something. We
just can't keep waiting. They are our roads, and someone
is going to. Get. We're constantly up there. Something's going
to happen. Someone's got to take the initiative to a
curb and gutter that put some catch. Basins in, get
your storm sewers in, get your sanitary in and water.
And then work it from there, but. This has got
to happen. Landing coordinator Victoria Heffernan. Good morning, members of
council. I just want to point out that there's a
lot of development that is being proposed on this road,
and we need to take that into account in consideration.
When the Rose department designs said road so it can
handle all of that traffic. Because it's not going to
be just for pedestrian use or for transportation use. It's,
also going to be for construction, so it needs to
withhold all the weight that's. Going to be associated with
upgrading the property, bringing in infrastructure input, installing infrastructure. And
then also the repair that has to go afterwards at
the cost of the developer. Thank you. Mr. Ben eggman.
We don't have a pulverizer yet, do we? No. But
it is. Something that for the past five years has
been an issue. We always have to get somebody in
to pulverize, and it's maybe a piece of machinery that
we're going to have to. Get some quotes on. I
know that. We bought some crazy stuff in the past
that isn't even being used right now. So let's also.
Get a quote. On some sort of a pulverized. It
doesn't have to be the top of the line, but
something that our tractors can handle. And go from there,
because it's not just orchard. Or it's also dudley the
rest of the way to our property line and beyond.
Actually. So this is something that has to be done
on more roads and seems like we are doing more
pulverizing, and we should be. Ready for the stuff that
comes off the 401. When they take the pavement and
look for places to have that put. There will be
tons and tons of material coming from the 401 when
they redo it, so. We need to be ready for
all that. When they start to do that work. It
would be as simple as to go up there and
pulverize, level it out, put a crown on the road,
so at least the water can shed the road. That
way, at least the water is working. The road is
working a little bit better. Do we need to go
in there and do a full on. Excavation in there
now? No, we can stabilize it long enough that it's
actually safer than what it really is, it'd be a
matter of a couple of days. If that. And the
other thing is with. Yes, with the pulverizers that I
totally. Agree with what you say. Any of the equipment
that we have bought as far as like for example,
the Quad saw. That saw paid for itself. In a
week. So now with some of this equipment that is
paid for something, we use that. We're done using. I'd
like the ability to be able to sell it and.
Buy something like a small popularizer. We can go around
and touch up some of these bad. Areas. Can we
full on pulverize like the big ones do? No, because
we would never. Get the depth. But in sections where
we could go two inches in level at our roads,
put a crown on them, get them working again. It
would save this township huge. And as far as a
pulvarizer, I have one price there last year with $30,000.
It would have paid for itself already for the money
we've spent on putting coal patch in that won't stabilize
because it's impossible. When you put in coal pots, you
need something to hold it there. And. I just need.
Some of these things we can do are small. The
grinder that we could have got was $30,000. Like the
quad saw. For example. Some are old plows and stuff
like that. Like we could get rid of the scrap
metal. And stuff. To buy, but I need that support
from council to go ahead, move forward with that and
just make this happen. And I think. There's some other
things that we could sell. Like we got to brush
your head there. But a lot of these things, we
could do it in house. And buy it through what
we have. But a grinder is definitely something that. Would
be a great option for us because we could do
a lot with. It. Where are we at? Okay, so
we'll do this motion in terms of what is proposed
originally, and then Sandra is going to come back with
another motion. To investigate. The big app drive. Okay, so
this one is to approve. Do I have a mover?
In a second. I'm sorry, ma'am. As far as the
big opera, we can bring that into just maintenance and
operations in our hard top maintenance budget. Grinding is. If
we just had a bit extra money in our operation
maintenance budget, we can do these things. So it doesn't
need an issue paper. It's maintenance. But you have to
put it somewhere. In mentioning it, that's all. And I
agree. A department, as far as I'm concerned, has a
budget, and they should be able to administer it. We
can't be involved in absolutely every decision. And who's getting
the weed whacker and who isn't. Really. This is a
business. This is a corporation. But I think when you're
asking for extra. Be it 50 or whatever. We need
some justification, that's all, as we go through this. Budget.
You're upping your budget. You're upping your budget, so we
want to know why it doesn't have to be a
detailed issue paper. Just come back and you're going to
say, this much will give us so much ease. Of
mind. We're not saying perfection, just ease of mind. Mindy
Lane and for Orchard? For both. So this is not
having an additional fixing onto it. This is not. Sander
is going to make a second motion to have that
brought back. Okay. All in favor of approval of this
one? As it sits, as it stands. I answer?
I Hamilton ice driver benigmund. Aye, martin, I resolution is
approved. Sandra, would you like to. Now introduce. And then
I would like to request. That the basic report is
brought back. The additional request for the maybe lane concerns
as well as options. Or options and budget costs. For
orchard drive from 25 to apple entrance. And then. That's
what. A motion will be. The comment is if you
come back to us and say it's only going to
be $10,000. And at that point, we can say that'll
be an issue paper. Or at that point we'll say
we'll increase the operation. We can make that decision at
that time, but at least you have brought something back
to us. As council. The thing with doing up there
is we'll actually use the material that's in. The road,
so I know that there's four or five inches out
asphalt. So we'll reactivate that. So I'm quite confident that.
It's basically, as I say, operational maintenance. And these are
health and safety risks. And if we could somehow get
a budget in place or. A line where we can
address these issues. Without. Having to go to council and
everything where I can act on these quickly and take
care of them before they do cause a problem and
cost us a lot of money. Thank you. I just
remind you that the maybe lane one was already included
in the resolution that we approved. Previously. You don't need
a separate report, right? We didn't add it in, okay?
Right on. Second scriber.
All in favor? Aye, sir. I hamilton.
Ice driver. Venegman. Aye. Martin, I. Approved. Moving on to
environmental services. Eight DA environment zero, 125 water meter upgrades.
Be it resolved, the council approve, deny or defer this
budget request for $120,000. For the RF water meter upgrade
to be funded through user fees and reserves. Could I
be moving to secondary, please? Move to Arthur second Hamilton.
Discussion. Counter tribal. I guess the only. And maybe Phil,
you can speak to this or you, madam mayor. But
this is a three year process, right, that we've been
already started. Yes.
User fees and reserves are funding this. Any further discussion.
All in favor? I Hamilton ice driver. Benign.
Martin I. That is carried. Does anybody want to break.
Or keep plumbing. Okay. Eight db environment report 225. 2025
water studies. Be it resolved, that council approved, deny or
defer this budget request for $59,000 for water studies to
be funded through user fees and reserves. Could I have
a mover in a second, or please. Moved Hamilton. Second
scriver. Any discussion. All in favor? I himilt ice
driver, Bennegman. Aye, Martin, I. That's carried eight dc. Environment
325 portable trash pump. Be it resolved that council approve,
deny, or defer this. Budget request to fund $25,000 for
the purchase of a portable trash pump for wastewater treatment
plant funded through user fees and reserves. Could I be
mover into second, or. Please. Aye. Hamilton, second. Van Eggman.
Any discussion. Deputy mayor Arthur. And councilor Hamilton. Thank you.
And if I may, through you to staff. And that
is what is this new that we have or what
has been happening in the past. I mean, $25,000 for
something. That the plant's been operational for many years without.
Why all of a sudden, do we need one. Okay,
I can gladly speak to that. When the plant was
put online. At that time. We have groundwater pumps that
exist in and around a clarifier, aeration, everything, so. These
groundwater pumps were never installed because the plant again, when
it came time to commission it, it never got actually
what needed done. So right now what we do is,
if we have to dump the clarifier or aeration. We
put a trash pump in there, and we go back
every 4 hours and add gas to it. Sometimes it
takes two days. To bring their groundwater around these tanks.
To drain them down. Because what will happen is when
the clarifier in your aeration is full and you don't
have your groundwater taken away from around it as you
empty that tank, it'll push it up out of the
ground. So. It's very important to have the groundwater drain
down below them. Tank levels in the bottom. So what
we've been doing is using a trash pump. To suck
down the groundwater. Keep it running, and we keep going
back every 4 hours, fill it. With gas. But this
year we have to dump our aeration and our clarifier.
To do a major clean out. So when we do
that, We have to rent a big pump so we
can do it fast. Get everything back online quick. And
last time we did, I think our pump rentals were
between pump rentals and what? We had to do with
Clinton sewer came into around $20,000. So my idea I
said that at that time, next time we do this,
we're going to have the. Equipment. We need to do
this. Renting it out, and then we have that piece
of equipment for. Future work that is necessary if you
have to bypass the sewer or if we have to
suck. Out a big hole or whatever. This is just
the device that will allow us to do our work
much easier, faster, and be very cost effective. Yeah, and
it could be used anywhere, any department, in the rural
end, urban end, parts and rec. It's just a matter
of. It's a bigger trash pump faster. And has more
economical through the process. Of the project. Up till now.
We just kind of did what we had to do
to keep things going, but at this point, we got
some. In the future. We could also use it to
dream one of our ponds, for example. Go from cell
one to cell two. Or. Supernatant office. L. Two into
one. It's something that would be two durabilities instead of
renting. Yes. Thank you. As a follow up, So we
say the groundwater pumps were never installed. So is that
something we need to be looking at to get to
fix at this point. And then the other is when
we say that in the past. We've used someone like
Quinnie Sewer. So Quinnie Sewer comes in with their big
truck, obviously, and they're sucking it out. So even with
this trash pump, you're. Still going to need the additional
support of somebody else that when you're pumping that, it's
going to wear. Right. So we're still going to have
those additional costs, will we not? No, we won't. Because
the depth of the clarifier and aeration tanks. Is. That's
why we bring Quinnian to suck the bottom output when
we get this. Pump. We can get right down in
low with it. And have it so it'll suck it
right out and we can actually transfer it into. A
channel that will take it right out to our cell
to where our sludge is supposed. To be. You were
mentioning. It can be used for other things. Can you
help me? How would parks and rec use it, for
example, or how would the fire department use it? Or
whatever. I'm just naturally curious. Well, this is basically just
a big trash pump that you can move high volumes
of water, really. Fast, and that'll take sewage and chunk
of stuff, and it's just a matter. Of. It's a
four inch pump. That is designed. To pump higher volumes,
but, yeah, like the fire department could use it. Parks
and rack like it's. Fulfilling like a water truck. Tanks.
We could have it set up. For multiple things. Here's
where I'm coming from. We had, for example, a request
from the fire department coming up. We need. Better pumping
capacity. Well, anyway, I'm just curious. Would it apply? It
would apply in a lot of different areas. These things
are used for a lot of things. But right now.
It's something that. We could really utilize at the plant.
Of course, we're going to still have Quinn to do
cleaner grit channels and stuff like that. But. We don't
have to have them sitting there for hours and hours
and hours. We can do the major work ourselves. Get
them back, they can suck out the bad spots in
2 hours. Where they're not sitting there. The other pumps
are plugging. It's so cost effective that. It can't be
without it, really. And as far as groundwater pumps. They're
against Sander. We might as well wait until we expand
or whatever like we've. Gone this long with the groundwater
pumps like that. We're talking probably $100,000. Put them in
place, they'll get into your scada. It was never done.
There's. The existing pumps are actually still in there, but
the old pumps that were with the plant. They sat
in there. But they're not hooked to disconnects or hooked.
To skater. They're not wired in properly. So this was
a problem. That goes way back. Twelve years ago, but
again, We just kept everything going. So just as one
quick follow up, the $20,000 you spoke of that that
cost. On the pumps for the rental and quinty, et
cetera. How often do we do this? Has this been
the first time in a number of years? Is this
something on an annual basis? Actually, we did it. I
think it was about four years ago. We dumped the
aeration because. You have to do more maintenance, and your
diffusers never even get plugged up. But it's something that
if we had the equipment, it would be routinely done,
probably every two years. So that you're cleaning out, because
if your diffusers get plugged up, then your aeration isn't
right and you can't treat the sewage rate, but so
if we had the equipment in place, yes. It would
be something that be done on a two year basis.
Anybody want to make a motion? Motion to approve.
Is there a seconder? Moved by Sherry and seconded by
Ed. Any further discussion? All in favor? Nay, Arthur.
I. Hamilton ice driver ben eggman. Aye, Martin, I that
is carried. Thank you. Eight e building services. Eight. Ea.
Intern inspector. Be it resolved that council approve, deny or
defer this budget request for an internship. Building inspector, funded
through taxation. Could I have a mover into second, or,
please? Moved Hamilton. Second scriber.
Discussion. Should solve himself, okay?
All in favor of having Nathan speak to this? Go
for it, Nathan, please. Madam and members of council. Sorry.
I've been in and out today. It's a good example
as to what we're speaking to today, actually. We are
short staffed at town hall. With our permanent administrator away.
So this issue paper before you is a request to
hire an intern inspector. The province of Ontario is struggling
to find qualified building officials. There is not a very
big hiring pool and. As you can see, if you
look at other municipalities, building officials are constantly moving around.
And again, the hiring pool is just not very good.
So there is a provision in the Ontario building code
to permit the hiring of an intern inspector. Who does
not have the qualifications of a building official, but who
can work under a building official. There are some restrictions
to what they can do. And how long they can
stay on, which is outlined in the issue paper here.
And what it would help. With. Currently, the Ontario building
code requires an inspection to be conducted within 24 hours.
48 hours. Pardon me of a request being put in.
In the past, cramming township has hired intram inspectors who
are on contract and can step in when needed. That
is expensive as well. And it doesn't really provide longevity
for the township. Should we ever need to expand. There
is a lot of upcoming projects, a lot of subdivisions
that we're trying to get. Prepared for. And having someone
on board who can assist in plans, review and inspections
of residential dwellings. Would be a huge asset to the
building department. I'm welcome to any questions.
Of course you're going to get me on this. Anyways.
What is the advantage to. Having an intern to. An
actual building inspector. An intern. Would they not be continuously
upgrading to become an inspector? Which goes to my point.
I would like to get somebody on the ground floor
that builds. His. Reputation. Is on the way up. And
maybe in two years we'll have another building inspector. Which
I know is needed because of all the extra building,
because the building specter of the time ten years ago.
Said it was needed and we didn't have all this
building going. On. This now seems like a part time.
Is this a part time? My first question. What is
the advantage to having. Someone without the owners. To maybe
have someone come here and stay with us if the
owners was in place. That could go to keeping him
here. Thank you.
Yes. Through you, Councilor Vanigman. So the part time question.
No, they wouldn't be part time. The restriction that. The
Ontario building code puts on an intern inspector is the
length of time that they can stay. Working under that
discipline, so. They don't want us to hire an intern
inspector and them to become stagnant. So it encourages them
to, yes, get their qualifications, pass their exams, to move
into a full time. Position. So as you're explaining, yes,
that is the goal, is that they would become a
full time. Well, sorry, saying full time. Full time, full
hours. The intern inspector is on full hours, but without
the limitation. Of the time frame of them having to
leave. So, yeah, that would be ideal for them to
come on board the Omers portion, so I was speaking
with our previous. Hr. When I prepared this issue paper.
Whether or not we pay them omers. I'm not totally
sure if we have to do that. Sorry, that's not
really. I think Rhub and I did have a discussion
about this, and she may be able to speak to
it. Thank you. Yeah. So the cost that's mentioned on
the issue paper, it says without Omars, because it's not
including the cost of omrs we have to provide with
them. With Omars because they're eligible for that, whether they're
full time or part. Time. Even part timers now are
eligible to participate in the pension program. So what this
issue paper is saying to us is that it's not
including the cost. So the cost in front of you
does not include the employer cost of paying Omars to
this employee. So the Omars would definitely then be applied.
And that's where I was going. I want the Omrs
to be attached to it. And if I may remar.
Remarry busy. And you will need to help with the
intern. What would he or she. Be able to do.
You still have to physically be the one that examines
everything. Goes on site, does the inspections, et cetera. And
under the program, the interns, they get the orientation. They
get this, they get that, but to me, at the
moment, it's going to take more of your time in
the training, which I think is still great, and maybe
the individual will stay. But on the same side, I
believe this route versus maybe another plan. Planning firm shared
municipal services within wherever that we might be able to
bring somebody on is another option. This one. It's great.
And if the interns don't get the opportunity, how? Do
they grow? So this is good for crammy, but on
the same side, I don't know where it's helping you.
Thank you. Yes, Madam Mayor. Yet that is something I
definitely considered. It is going to be an investment in
my time. They are permitted to do inspections without me.
But I would be reviewing the reports. And making sure
that everything. Is proceeding properly. I can accompany them on
the occasional inspection, and I definitely would be doing that
at the beginning. So the construction industry. And all trades,
for that matter. Education is through apprenticeship. And it is
known that when you hire an apprentice, you are going
to be investing time in that individual. And I mean,
that is, I think I mentioned it in my issue
paper. That is obviously a risk is we are investing
my time. And other resources. In this individual who. Could
find their work elsewhere. But that goes with any of
our staff. So, yeah, it is a mentorship and it
is an apprenticeship that. Will be an investment, but. It
will permit me to take a holiday without having to.
Worry about having coverage as well as. Again with the
upcoming subdivisions. It's just having another body is going to
be a huge asset. I hope that answered your question.
Nathan. They would come in with a minimum. They would
come in with the building envelope, would they? Not. So
I would have to refresh my memory. I believe I
may have mentioned it here. We would want them to
have. Their legal. So, to obtain a BCin, you do
require to pass one exam. And the BCN. Sorry, the
building code identification number, which all building officials and designers
have. You would have to pass one exam, which would
be the legal. And that would be the starting point.
So, yeah, there is going to be a barrier of
entry. For that. Yeah, I guess through you, Madam Mayor.
So, Nathan, very thoughtful report, and I appreciate you putting
it. Together and. It's nice to see the province being
proactive and trying. To get some more people trained up
for this service. I'm just curious. And I know we've
got some subdivisions approved that we're going to see houses.
Being built. But am I correct to say in 24,
we saw a pretty big decline in the number of
building permits we issued. Yes, three. Madam Mayor, I was
actually prepared. To give you some numbers. As you've probably
seen in our building reports. In 2021. We accepted 158
permits. And then going through the years, 157 permits, 125
permits. And then last year, we accepted 114 permits. Covid
obviously boosted those numbers because everyone stayed home and put
an addition on their home or renovated a bathroom. But
last year, I think the economy took a pretty big
hit and interest rates were quite high. We do see
an uptick already. We have east fields starting up. Which
I just issued. Victoria and I just issued. Eight building
permits this morning. So. They are going to come very
fast. So I guess where I struggle is, if the
demand is there. How does it not offset the fees
associated with hiring a new employee? So. Should the building
department be sort of neutral in terms of. The money
it brings in covers most of its fees or most
of its costs. Sorry. Yeah. Through you, Madam Mayor. Yes,
that's quite a possibility. I don't recall what I projected
for our fees to be this year. But, yeah, I
did project an uptick. I don't know if the complete
cost would cover the complete wages of this individual. But
we would be able to cover some of that for
sure. Rhub. Ain't be better to speak to that. I
believe what we're referring to is the revenue coming in
from the building permits, so. It was budgeted for $170,000,
and it is budgeted at 200,000. But there is a
legislation. Within. I can't recall the actual legislation for the
building, but it means any excess revenue. Coming into the
building needs to flow into their building reserves at the
end of the year. So this position was most likely
be funded through taxation. You met a marriage members of
council. I think it's also prudent to point out that
the years that you're. Stating that there was. A higher
number of building permits. We actually did have two people
in those departments from 2021 up. So it wasn't just
functioning with one as such, as yourself. So there is
a difference. That even though there's a decline of 20
permits, That you're still only operating at, at one person,
as opposed to the dual rule that was supported there.
I would also like to point out that earlier on
in the budget process, You deferred a support for the
fire chief? My recommendation, and it's completely up. To council.
Before you deny or approve that, maybe you defer this
one. And on whatever date we decide today to come
back for the operations, we will be going in. Camera
to discuss the structuring of the township and positions therein
and the reason that will be in camera is because
we will be speaking to specific positions already that are
in house. That we have. And identified individuals. So it
could be a time that we could discuss multiple options
on what is being asked and questioned. May I?
Thank you, Madam Mayor, just a quick question about that.
And this? You may or may not be able to
answer me, Haldi. Do you see overlap? In a position
between the building department and. Fire services. No, I'm just
stating that I think we need to look at the
current structure of. What we have. Part time position, full
time positions. We need to look at what we can
utilize. In house how that could work. But because we're
speaking to certain individuals positions, then we can't discuss that
in open. Through you, Madam Mayor. To Holly. I'm just
curious, historically. Mr. Butwell was our previous inspector, and there
was two folks in the role previously, and I'm just
curious. Why there was a business decision made to only
move to one at one point or. How did the
second role deteriorate? Through you, Madam mayor, to members of
council. I'm going to weasel through this one.
It is my understanding. In being in positions here, that
it had been a supported position, because maybe not necessarily
the people being hired were at full capacity of being
a building official, so they needed support from other building.
Officials to get their training in to bring them forward,
but was always shared in a dual role. There was
a lot of permits that were not closed, so they
had to be brought up. And it was just too
much of a workload to be put on, too. That's
still an ongoing process that I know Nathan deals with
currently. When don. Our previous CBO came in, it was
just him, but he was given the additional support of.
The admin assistant on the front desk, which we do
have, which did alleviate some of that. But we did
also have to have Ken Anders come in and support
as well. So there is always been a support in
some sort. To that department. Yeah, that's super helpful. I'm
happy to defer this and see. What you guys pull
together and get your thinking on it, I will say.
Personally. I maintain we're in an economic environment where it's
very difficult to add staff. Regardless of whether or not
their interns are part time or full time. And I
just remind council. Our. Initial budget didn't include. The proposed
levy didn't include any staff. So any staff increases would
be in addition to what the draft budget looked like
originally. So anyway. That's just my thinking on it, but
I'm certainly happy to defer and understand what the broader
thinking is because it would be interesting to see that.
Sorry I turned on my way. Thank you, madam Mayor.
I would second. The motion to defer for all of
the reasons that council Scriber is deciding, I think. A
more fulsome discussion around how we're stopping and where the
needs are. It's very clear that our planning and building
department has become. A very busy place. Have a mover
in a second or any further discussion. I'm sorry.
All in favor? Aye, Arthur. I Hamilton I scriber.
Voting nay only because I don't think it should be
deferred. I think this is a known position, and the
problem is not going to go away by deferring it.
For a couple of days and having. Another look at
it. I support the brewing till the 29th. Thank you.
Recess. Short recess. Coffee and tea are over here. We
need a motion to have a break, please. Move to
break. Second, Hamilton. All in favor?
Recording stopped.
Recording in progress.
Okay.
But we're missing one, counselor. Shall we? Shall we resume?
Next one is grant application. Applications. So nine a is
Crammy Hill cemetery. The amount requested is 540.
So we have one, two, three. Cemeteries. Do you want
to do them all at once? They are all asking
for $540. And that is. For Grammy Hill Cemetery, Shiloh
Cemetery, and wait Cemetery. The resolution, be it resolved, that
council approved, deny or deferred these budget requests in the
amount of $540. For Cremy Hill cemetery, Shiloh cemetery and
wait cemetery? Could I be mover into seconder? Please. Motion
to approve. Second scriver. Is there any discussion? Do you
want to wait or do you want to.
Deputy mayor Arthur, please. Thank you. Just back, we had
a conversation. In regard. I think it was the issue
papers for the cemetery, software and different things. We were
talking about? Did we not say that there was a
possibility of us not even doing this, that this should?
Be something that should be cost amongst the cemetery boards
themselves that they need to. Look at this. Did we
not kind of have a brief discussion? A brief discussion
amongst us? That. I get it and I understand. But
again, it's something that we need to look at as
well as the council. Is that board not charging enough?
When the burials come? Are these all filled up cemeteries
now that there would be no additional income coming in?
Is this. What we're doing. I don't want to be
the negative person here, but we need to try and
break things up. Three. You, madam mayor, to deputy mayor
Arthur. They're private cemeteries. We have no sanction or governing
over them. So how they use their money, how they
charge their fees, what they do. I can guarantee if
ours is outdated, theirs. Is most likely outdated and the
process to update your fees. Is quite Oneis and I
know that we're going through it. I have no problem.
Reaching out to every one of them. When we do,
increase our fees and bring our bylaws. Forward if we
can assist and support them in any way to do
so. Or help them with any type of information or
supports that way. Sorry for being late, but coming into
this. All the cemetery boards are asking for the insurance
cost, period. If they cannot have the insurance costs, guess
what? We're going to get them. Because. It's above what
the cost to them is. And when they had to
get insurance in that came back. Six, seven years ago.
They all had to get insurance, and that was to
the tune of $540. And that's the ask for, I
believe, every one of them. Is. The insurance cost. For
all three, okay? And I agree. Other
than the Cranberry Hill cemetery, they have theirs identified. I
know the request is only 540, but on their expense
sheet, it's one $200 where the other two are both
540. I get it, and I don't want to take
anything away. And know we as the municipality do not
have to get these cemeteries back and. Be even a
higher cost than what we're currently or what that would
be. Okay, I'll check that. So shriver. Yeah.
I agree. And 540. Is relatively modest, but just. As.
You guys continue to update the township. Operated cemeteries and
this money goes out, it might be worth having a
discussion with them just around. How we're approaching rates and
the idea. Of. Checks and credits balancing. But having said
that, I think it's a modest investment. Compared to what
the alternative would be. Any further discussion. All in favor?
Aye, Arthur. I Hamilton ice driver. Benigmund. Aye, Martin, I.
Resolution is carried. 9d colton street repairs. The resolution reads,
be it resolved, that council approved and I deferred this
budget request in the amount of $1,500 for the 103
Colton street ratepayers. Could I move her into second, or
please. Move, van eggman. Second scriber. And so we have
a list of these private roads and their requests for
grants. And I think. Holly, would you like to speak
to this? Not to put you on the spot. Okay.
Sorry. Thank you. Do you want this one? Three, Madam
mayor, two members of council. We did have a meeting
with the public or, sorry, private. Roads owners. There was
quite a few in attendance. Councilor Scriber as well as
councilor van Eggman. Attended. The meeting, I felt, went very
well in terms of the message that we were relaying.
We did have. Legal in support as well as. Dave
McGlennan from insurance to help answer questions or concerns. The
bottom line is that they are private roads. So it
was a private meeting because they own their roads. It
belongs to them. It's not the municipality. We have no
sanction, we have no way to govern. It is nothing
within. Our control. They are private. They're owned by the
landowners that are adjoined to those roads. So it was
more of a support in terms of moving forward. It's
just. That we have no say over. Your road. And
as far as the funding goes, that's completely up to
council, whether you support or you don't support, we can
go on. What you've done in the past and. What
you haven't and all those wonderful things. But basically it
comes down to as private road owners, they need to
form committees, they need to form committees that adhere to
insurance, that adhere to their liabilities, and all those wonderful
things that come with owning a private road. If and
when it ever became part of a conversation for the
municipality to take over a private road. That's a whole
other conversation in itself that we did not steer into.
But as it stands. We just wanted everybody to be
on the same plane, field and to the same hearing.
The same thing, which is you own a private road
and it is yours, so it's. Your due diligence to
maintain it. It is your. Due diligence to bring it
up to whatever standard needs to be in order to
get. Any type of health and safety there, whether it
be Ms. or fire or all of those things. And
we don't touch your road. I'm sure that councilor Scriber
can. Add to that as well as Ed van Eggman,
and let them see what their opinion or Endor. Thoughts
on that arc? I'd like to concur with Holly on
most of the stuff. There is a formula in place.
I'm not sure where that formula is, but it does
lower some of these asks the formula should be adhered
to. But these people pay for the rest of the
roads that are in the township also. It's not just
their own road. They pay for their other roads in
their taxes. They are asking for. Most of these are
asking for the amount that the formula allows them. So
I'm not sure if planning would have that formula or.
I'm not sure. If the treasurer has that formula, but.
It goes to kilometers number of houses. And there was
one other thing, but anyway. They are all okay with
having the board? Most of them have the board. There's
not always full attendance at those meetings. But. Our main
concern at the last. Year's thing was that we would
be liable for these roads. Insurance and legal said. We
are not held to a higher degree of liability just
because we are funding them. And I want to make
that clear. These people. Are looking just the same thing
as the township gets the rest of the people that
live on. Public roads. They are just looking for that
same amount. That amount. That they are set out in
the formula, and most of these have done that. There
are a couple of these roads that have gone over
and above, and I don't understand why. And I think
some of it has to do because their funding was
cut last year. So as a counselor, I just like
to say the formula needs to be adhered to. If
there's something extra. That they need that needs to be
spelled out, but. It should be administered with the yearly
cola added. And that's my stand on it. Three. You,
Madam mayor, two members of council, and specifically councilor van
Eggman. There's no formula in minutes. So this is a
formula that I think was agreed upon in a handshake.
Or somewhere or whatever that they just sort of passed
through. We have nothing and have found nothing and a
record to stand. True that it's an agreement or an
approval of. Counsel to the formula that this would be
moving forward and this is how it would go. So
in lack there of that, if that's what you're going
on, I would like that on record in minutes, if
that's how you're going to formulate. How? You're going to
hand out funding towards these roads, depending on which way
that goes, just. So that we do have it on
record. Yeah. So through you, Madam mayor, to members account.
So. I think just to reiterate Ed's point, the one
thing that. 's quite clear now. That was less clear.
Last year was liability. There's no concern for anyone on
this council to believe that we hold any liability from
an insurance or from a legal perspective, both those parties
agreed that the road owners were solely the ones responsible
for any accidents. Or liabilities that take place on. Their
property. And what was, I guess, reiterated in the meeting
is that it's up to this council. To approve a
grant on any given year. So the ball is certainly
in our court in terms of how we want to
proceed with private roads. I'd be curious because to me,
I was looking at, because if we look at these,
five. And there's a couple of them on their balance
sheet that are contributing. Reddick Road. The residents of Reddick
Road and the residents of Trinir are both throwing in
over $1,000 to their private roads, and the other three,
according to their balance sheets, are not and that's greatly
reducing the amount that they're asking for. And I don't
mind meeting in the middle somewhere. I'd like to see
the residents contributing, and I don't mind. The township. In
principle, if we found the right mechanism to do something
similar. And I was thinking. About a formula in my
head, and if I look at what people have asked
for and I was wondering again. I'm just making up
ideas here. I have no idea. In absence of the
actual formula or whatever was used originally. But we've got
some of these roads with. They're all relatively short, between
500 meters, I'd say, in a kilometer. And, for example,
you could consider doing. $4,000 a kilometer and making it
prorated based on if you were half a kilometer, then
you got $2,000. If you were a kilometer, you got
$4,000. And doing it just based on distance, for example.
But as it stands, I just find it we've got
a couple of roads that are contributing and that's bringing
down their ask, and it's kind of. Unfair to you.
See a couple that are coming to the table and
all throwing in some money. And the other three are
not. To me, it does make sense to have a
bit of. If we do proceed to fund these. In
any way, it does make sense to have a formula
to bring a bit of consistency to it. And thank
you. So if there was a formula, and God forbid
we've been discussing this. For years. I am sure somebody
must have it. And if we, as council and staff
and whoever. Don't have it. I'm sure somebody from one
of these roads committees must have. It and bring it
forward to throw it in our face, not in a
negative way. But, I mean, here's the formula, right? So
that we have it, we're saying, no. They're saying yes,
and they provided it. We can't find it, but nobody's.
Brought that forward, so I can't see there being one,
and maybe it was only a verbal discussion way back
in the day. I don't remember that. But again, giving
money. Where. So the very first one we have is
Colton. The street repairs. I mean, they've given us a
summary on the back that they paid for snow plowing.
They paid for this? How do I know, as a
counselor, before I give money for the next year, that
they did? That there's no backup. I'm not saying that
we need to waste paper that. They have to provide
the copy. But if we're giving out money and not
seeing anything. Done. That's not where I want to be
for the other taxpayers of the municipality either, so. There's
got to be some responsibility here on everybody. Just my
quick thought. As for my department, the roads, I've been
involved with these private roads numerous times and there is
a formula. I have seen it. And we actually went
by it for numerous years. So if you want. I
can probably find that formula somewhere because I have actually
witnessed it with my own eyes, so. It is there
somewhere, because. We've went by on loads of travel and
how we were to move forward with these. Private roads.
So I've been involved with it before, and I've actually
seen something. In writing, which stated how this was to
be planned out. So. I can definitely look into where
it is or how I could find it. Thank you,
Madam Mayor. I think everybody. Well, maybe everybody doesn't remember.
I was quite shocked when I first realized that. Municipal
taxpayers are funding private roads. And I still can't get
my head around that. So, if I may, I would
like to defer all this. For the private roads until
we receive the formula. If Phil's able to bring that
back. To our next meeting. Okay. Is that a motion?
The motion on the floor is. This one, and then.
So, do you want to defer, then? Make it a
deferral. We get this formula?
If we find the formula, and I know it's out
there because I helped write it. So it is out
there somewhere. And the roads. People had to sign it
to agree to what? The township brought to them in
the early days, they would be able to get gravel
at the gravel pit, and we cut that out already.
If that has to go back in that they get
free gravel, maybe it's going to cost us more in
the end, too. So I would be okay with the
deferral. Till. We get? Whatever agreement it is. And maybe
some of the ratepayer roads. The private roads people, they
might have that formula with them because they all come
up with different ideas here, different numbers. And so there
is a formula somewhere that we have to have. Seconds.
Driver. All in favor? Aye, Arthur. Nay, Hamilton.
Ice driver. Vinigmund? Aye. Martin? Nay. Resolution is carried.
So, if I may, I will put a motion forward
that the balance of the grant applications for. 2025 being
McDonald Road, Reddick Road, Strawberry Lane repairs, Trina Road. Are
deferred to our next meeting so that we can research
the formula, so that we know what we need to
do moving forward on these projects. Second scriber any further
discussion. The question. What meeting are we talking about? Our
council meeting or our next budget meeting? Our next budget
meeting. Has that date finally been determined? Because I'm not
going to follow all the female lines. That's what I
thought. All in favor? Aye, Arthur.
Nahilton ice driver Benningman. Martin? Nay. And the resolution is
carry to deferred. Nine I Castleton Sports Club. The amount
requested is $4,600. Resolution reads, be it resolved, that council
approved deny, defer this budget request in the amount of
$4,600 to the Castleton Sports Club. Could I have a
mover in a second or please. Move, van eggman. Second,
Hamilton. Any discussion. Deputy Merrith thank you. And again, just
for accountability, there's not really a breakdown of what the
costs are that they're looking for. It says for operations,
this and that. But if there's. A broader breakdown of
what we could do. I would like to see before
we go. Three, Madam Mayor to members of council and,
I believe, Janet. Are you still sitting on the committee?
For the sports club because every year that I had
sat on the committee, they asked for the property tax.
That's what the money was funded for. Was to cover
the property taxes. Of the sports field. I can look
into the taxation part. I would just like to point
out that they're. Requesting $3,000 of grant and then one
$600 for in kind use of the Castleton town hall,
so it's 3000 in the grand. There's also the additional
1600 and I can look at the taxes right now
as we discussing this. Thank you. I also just want
to say that the Castleton sports club is used by
so many and it's a great thing to the community,
and by all means, I'm not trying. To take anything
away. I'm only asking for accountability. I'm
surprised that this is the only ask they have, actually,
Sandra, because if you went down there and realized all
the things that those people did down there. For basically
just a taxation portion and in kind use which really
costs us nothing. At the castleton town hall. Golly. We
just gave. A whole shitload. To downtown here on things
that weren't even needed. And here we're going to question
this. I don't agree. Are we very far away from
tax? Yes, I'm still looking for that. Sorry.
It's on the floor for approval. I'm putting it to
the vote. All in. Favor. I answer? I. Hamilton Ice
driver vanigman. Martin. I it is carried. Colburn curling club.
Yes, sure. Sorry. The taxes for the Castleton Sports Club
for 2024 were $3,107. Good. Okay. Nine J the.
Culvert Curling Club. Resolution reads, be it resolved, the council
approved. Deny or defer this. Budget request in the amount
of $5,000 to the Colbert Curling Club. Could I be
mover in a second, or please. Move, Scrabber. Second, Hamilton.
Discussion. Yes, Councilor Schriver. Yeah, I'm curious to get other
counselors opinion on. This. I know. They've got some more
activities taking place there at the curling center now, but
I believe the last couple of years, they've asked for
the five and we've given them. The 2500. So another
super valuable member of the community, and it's wonderful that
they manage. This facility themselves. But just am curious to
get other folks thoughts on it as well. Councilor hamilton.
Thank you, Madam Mayor. Yes. The Coburn Curling Club has
managed to turn that facility into a year round user
facility by offering it to the pickleball club. In the
summer months. So I do think it's valuable. We wouldn't
have pickleball in Colburn or Crammy if it weren't. For
the fact that they had the foresight to do that.
Personally. I'll go over the 2500, but I will not
go for the 5000. This is another group that asked
for their taxation in the beginning, and I believe that
that was 2500 at that time, and that's what we
gave them. I'm with Mandy. 5000 is too high. Do
you want to speak, Sandra? Yeah. Deputy Mayor Arthur and
I agree with what both of you. Are saying. The
other thing that I see in here is that they
wanted extra. They had a major dehumidifier purchased last year.
Well, yet in the financial documents, I don't. See it.
So I'll stay with the 2500. So we need a
motion, and I can't make it. Joel and Sherry, do
you agree to the 25. Okay. All in favor? Aye,
Arthur. I himut ice driver Benigmund I. Martin, I approved
for 2500. Community care, Northumberland. Amount requested, $14,000. Be it
resolved, that council approved and I defer. This budget request
in the amount of 14,000. To community care North Amberland.
Could I be mover in a second, or. Please, for
discussion. I moved to approve. Second scriber. And.
If we could just elaborate what it's for, just so
people know we're not. Silver plating, anything. So community care
provides programs such as meals and wheels, wellness programs in
home services, broken worker, ruler transit and specialized transportation in
our area for the township. Are we still administering that?
Yes. I've been trying to get other municipalities, and I've
been communication with community care. To try and have another
township take over because that was the director from the
council. We haven't been able to do that, really, and
it's mainly because it's been really busy, so I will
take the blame for that. I haven't had a chance
to. Reach out to the treasurer at the county, but
I will be for a year. 2020. Five, we will
see an agreement coming to council. To sign for the
funding, so we'll be doing that just for up until
2024. And hopefully 2025, someone else can take over. Thank
you, Rubb. I know this is taken. As you said,
it's taken a lot. Of your time and Crammy has
had it for quite some time. Do we have a
ballpark? How many hours that is on an annual basis.
Is this something that if they were contributing, the other
municipalities were contributing to us? Could we keep it knowing
that we're getting some assistance back financially? Or is this
something that. How difficult? Would it be to transfer from
crammy? This year, Brighton. Next year, the next one, the
next year. Is that a lot of confusion for when
the funding applications come where we know it? But let's
get help. With it. Unfortunately, it just sits very low
on the priority list here because. We've been really busy
and we are the smallest township with the lowest staff
in the finance department in the north of veronan county,
so that definitely puts a strain on that, but I
think. There's a lot of paperwork involved. I don't believe
we can be in a situation where it can be
transferred to each township every year. I was talking to
the province on this, and they suggested the county takeover.
And. That was just last week. That was as recent
as last week, so I've yet to contact the treasurer
at the county and see what the hepatitis. Yes. Ruba.
If I'm not totally wrong, most of this is funded
from the gas tax that we receive. For this operation?
And is this our share or is this the total
amount that all the communities. Are we paying this because.
We get the gas tax refund? No. So the province
provides funding, and all we're doing is we're signing the
agreement. We're passing the bylaw because they can directly provide
the funding to the community. Care. So we act as
the medium for that. So we received the funding and
then we pass. It on to them. So that funding
is separate from what we're approving today. This is our
contribution as crammy towards community care for providing the specialized
transit. In addition to whatever funds that they get. In
transit gas tax from the province and each member of
municipality. So other townships and even the county, if I
remember correctly, also contributes to this. And that's what we
report to MTO. At the end of the year. So
do we. Handle everything coming from the government as a
grant or a refund or whatever it is, and. Then
we dole out checks to each individual. Municipality. So we
received the funding from the province and we give it
to community care. So it's. An in and out for
us. However, I would just like it noted that they
are not always on their toes and they suddenly demand
things within three days because they have a deadline to
file for their tax purposes or whatever. And that throws
us into the loop. Whatever. And we have been on
notice for five years now. That we have done this.
For over ten, if not 15. And it's time that
other municipalities stepped up and took it. I might also
add that community care has greatly expanded, greatly expanded in
terms of what they qualify. Et cetera. They have Ed's
house, for example. They have all kinds of other outreach
programs now. And many more staff members than us. And
I think this does need to be reviewed and give
it back to the province or to the county. They
keep dumping this stuff down the line. And it's time.
Like, we have lines here now and. Need to hold
them because they're not giving us any grants. Time out.
Yeah. So do you think that we should be paying
$14,000 given that they've closed our office here in Colburn.
That's my question. Because we're not getting the service that
we used to have. There is no community care office
here in town anymore. But they stop. Yes, and transportation
and so on. But all I'm saying is that we
are not. Getting the services we used to get. In
terms of. Equipment. Borrowing equipment. For walkers and all that
stuff. And yes, they do. Meals on wheels, which is
great, twice a week, et cetera. Absolutely. I support that
program. Or whatever, but we do not have the contact.
For example, people calling in, for example, yesterday asking for
help with snow removal, and they're used to administer a
list of volunteers and services for our local. Well, now
you have to call through to Brighton and nobody seems
to know anything. And where is colburn anyway. And whatever.
Yeah. So this is the first time I'm hearing this.
I was not aware of that. I could reach out
to community care and ask for clarification on the levels
of service. That has been provided in the township before
we approve this. And Sandra, you talk about accountability and
knowing and having. I'd like to see what are you
giving us? What are you giving us? And they're a
great organization. No problem. But we have to account for
everything. We're not getting reports, we're not getting updates. With
community care. And if it is money in, money out.
Then the accountability is probably sent somewhere, maybe not to
this municipality. And so if that's being done, then? Yes.
I'd like to see the paperwork, but. If it's not
coming out of taxation. So I just like to clarify
that. So this 14,000 is coming out of taxation because.
That is our personal contribution as the township towards the
community care. So what I do with the province for
them is the funding that they get from the province.
So that's separate. So maybe they get 50,000 from the
province each year we receive that fund, and then. We
send them a check for that funding. But then this
is in addition to the 50 that they already received
from the province and other municipalities also provide these grants
to community care because of the services that they provide
in addition to the gas tax funding. So this 14,000
will be funded through taxation on our end. Having heard
that, then I would put it out to the rest
of municipalities that have community care. That. Our allotment will
decrease, so theirs will have to increase because we're doing
all the work. And you know what? It's longer than
five years, Mandy. It's before. You were on council because
we were already then saying we were putting too much
time into this. And I'm sure it was ten years
ago that this. Came up that this was supposed to
have been switched and nothing on our staff. Our staff
is. Doing it all. But if that's the case, then
the rest of them are going to have to pay.
A little bit more because we're doing all the legwork.
We're under no obligation like this is a grant, so
the approval is entirely up to. Council's decision. Thank you,
Madam Mary. Having heard much of this information for the
first time today. I have questions about the level of
service as well. Before. We would just kind of check
for 14 grand. So I think we need to know.
What is happening in our community. And traditionally. It was
in the 10,000 mark or somewhere, if not less. So
I don't. Know, if we defer this, we're going to
have a long list of deferrals. For the next meeting.
And here we go again. So. I would suggest, let's
just make it 10,000. And you come and see us.
And then we can explain. It. Sorry, came back on
without asking. I still have questions about levels of service,
whether it's 10,000 or 14,000 if they've closed their office
in our municipality. And we've got residents who normally would
have relied on being able to get out of their
house by calling community care for the list of volunteers.
What are we still getting? I have that question. Still.
Councilor Shriver. Council. And any councilor Ben Eggman. And also
it's pointed out. It's attached. The services that they say
they provide. Right in the issue paper. But we're short
on detail. Okay, let's go. Who was next? Through you,
madam, maybe to rub into members of council. So they
had a pretty thorough application and. It looks like they've
got 76,000. From the gas tax. But outside of the
crammy line item, which is the first one, they got
another grant. For 20 grand. So is there just one
other township supporting them? I'd be curious to know. What
other townships are doing to contribute because it looks like
there's only one other one. Potentially. I have a breakdown
from year 2023. Of what other? It's on a report.
I can definitely share that information. I'm not sure what
they've listed as other grant. I'm thinking that. Is the
grants from other townships, but I can't confirm that.
Yes, please. Three amount of marriage members of council, I
think what we're trying to point out. Is that on
the issue paper that they've submitted? The first line item
is municipal grant requested is 14,000 from Crammy Township. Other
grants total 20. So if you've got three, I think
you listed three municipalities feeding into that you've got three
giving 20, but they're requesting 14 from Crammy. Another 1000
for donations. So it would be interesting to see what
other municipalities are all contributing in terms of. So a
breakdown from year 2022 2023 because. They do pass over
the year end the calendar year. So Hamilton Township contributed
9000. Port hope 9000 County 9500 anh 2000. And we
do the work. Not on. Not on.
If we just reduce it to 10,000, does that make
them come visit us and explain? I don't think it
does. If we want to have a conversation with them,
2000 will make them come and speak to us. So
thank you. I mean, I jumped the gun when I
said the 14th because in the past. It's always been
a great thing. But now, based on the comments you
made earlier about the office, not here. Some of the
other concerns. I get it that you don't want. To
defer. But on the same side, this, I think is
very valid that we defer. This one. And until we
get that further. Information. Because if this is true, that
they're all, and we're doing the 14,000 we're doing all
the work. Somebody's got to get the attention. But something.
Changes. So I would defer and ask for that breakdown.
And who's going to take over for the next year
before we proceed to give you any money. I can
reach out to county. I think the province has sort
of put that back in my court is to reach
out to county, and then they would want the crammy
township in the county to reach out to the province
collectively to say that this is going to be the
transition process. Okay. Motion, then, is to defer this. Do
we have a mover? In a second. Prescriber has to
cruise. Okay, so to defer. Pending a report. All in
favor? Aye, Arthur. I Hamilton ice driver. Van Eggman. Martin.
I agree to defer. Colbert and cremey. If I may,
just before we start. Yesterday, after the snow, I was
in town and there was. A gang of kids with
snow shovels that were going around doing laneways, and that
needs to be mentioned because there are people within our
own community. That I told them to get organized and
have a contact point single because they were still looking.
For other people to help. So just wanted to say
that there are people that are helping. Ones who want
a skate park. Could be. Yeah, I bet it is.
Right. Okay. Nine. L. Colburn and Crammy Food bank. The
resolution is, be it resolved. Council approved. And I defer
this budget request in the amount of $5,000 to the
culver. And crammy food bank. Could I remove her into
second, or, please? Motion to approve. Second on eggman. Any
discussion. All in favor? Aye, Arthur. I, Hamilton Ice
driver. Ben Eggman. Aye, Martin. I approved nine m crammy
horticultural society. Be it resolved that council approved, deny or
defer this budget request in the amount of $2,500. To
the Kareemi Horticultural Society. Could I have a mover into
second? Or please. Move. Van Eggman, second scriber. Any discussion.
All in favor?
This amount of money is usually used to do the
baskets in the downtown, throughout the downtown area. Et cetera
and gardens. At entranceways and so on, Castleton. Colburn and
whatever. And by the way, the bill is usually more
than 2500 for those flowers and plants. And so on.
So I'm calling the vote. All in favor? I, arthur.
I hamilt? Ice driver van Eggman. Aye, Martin, I that
is approved. Nine N. Colburn Public School. Be it resolved,
that council approve, deny, defer this budget request. In the
amount of $300 to the Colbert public school. Could I
be mover in a second, please. Motion to approve. Second,
Hamilton. Any discussion. All in favor? Aye, Arthur. I ham
up ice driver Ben Eggman. Martin, I. That is approved.
9.0 Apple blossom Time Festival. Be it resolved that council
approve, deny, deferred this budget request in the amount of
$7,500. To the Apple blossom time festival. Could I have
a mover into seconder? Please. Move scriber second to get
it on the table. Discussion. Councilor hamilton.
Thank you, Madam Mayor. I don't see any financials attached
to this at all. Council shriver Jeffrey Madam mayor to
members of council. So obviously, it was great to see
this event. Re kick off this past year, and the
weather was terrible, which is too bad, although I think
the sun did come out on Saturday, if I remember
right. But, yeah, the application just looks a bit rushed.
Do you know off the top of your head? Rhubab
what we know we offered. Space last year, I think.
And do you happen to know that it didn't come
through? A grant, but it would have came through. Well,
maybe it is a grant, but it would have came
later in the year. Remember we gave them the 2500.
We can pull the application from last year and look
at it, but I do remember the person. Coming in
and making a presentation to council. I just don't know
if there was a free use authorized, but we can
look at that. Deputy Mayor Arthur thank you. And if
I may, 1 of the concerns that I have is
on item number five within the application. The additional funding
is to help recover lost revenue from last year. So
what is that that they paid for out of their
pockets? That in addition to it's? Just concerning. And I
through the rumor mail and the rumor mill, only I'm
hearing that it's. A possibility. It's only going to be
a one day event this year, versus two. I don't
know if we have any backup. I would really like
to see a presentation. By these people. As to possibility
before I say jump to buy $5,000. So.
I would suggest we make it 5000.
I would agree with that. Mandy, this is something that
we need. A festival back in Colburn. We used to
have a farm fair at one time. Not even before
my time, actually. It was on where the Keeler lands
were at that time. There was room for improvement, but
a lot of the things that went wrong were due
to weather. Last time. This is a festival that could
really take off here, and I want to point everybody
to. The festival that they have in Brighton where you
can't even move downtown on that day. So they have
a concert in the evening, and I'd like to see
it go that way. I don't think. That they need
the full 7500. But I've got written down here also
5000. So do you want to make a motion or
amend the motion or whatever? Man, Joel. So I don't
disagree at all, Ed, but just where I struggle is
I don't. See a balance sheet. Like, did they spend
$50,000 last year, or did they spend $8,000 last year.
You know what I mean? So I don't disagree. And
5000 seems like a nice number, but. I would like
to see a balance sheet. Just understand what they actually
spent last year. Because maybe. It's very justified that they
should have more than that. But I just have no
insight at all on this application other than. They're looking
to recover costs, it looks like. So I would suggest
that we make it 5000 contingent on them producing a
report. We are now coming into the second month of
2025. We can't keep restudying all this stuff. So I
think let's move on. 5000. We know what 5000 can
do. We have enough experience with. These festivals, et cetera,
et cetera. It's easy to spend $5,000. It's how they
choose to spend it, and that's their business. And I
think it is a success, and I have no problem
with it being one day only. I mean, obviously the
car factor last year was the most successful part of
it all, really. That was really cool. Always has been.
But times change and we have to go with the
flow. I don't know what they've got planned, but I
think 5000 investing in a festival for this community. Is.
A good investment. And if I may, 5000 is definitely
a good investment. But where's the money going? Because we're
recovering last year's cost. So we don't release it until
we receive a financial report based on the 2024. Event,
please. That addresses my concern as well. I think we
need to see the financials. I totally support. This festival's
return. And last year, the main day, it did rain.
I was there. It was awful. But it's weather dependent
because it's an outdoor event. So we're going to always
be facing that. I want us to support this festival,
but I want this festival to be open with the
taxpayer. About what's happening with those dollars. Yes. Rebap. I
just like to clarify that I just heard a comment
that maybe they, maybe will approve more so if we
approve 5000 right now. With the limitation of them coming
and making a presentation, we can't change that back to
7500 because it is being funded through taxation and we
won't be able to change. That after the budget is
approved. So if we only approve 5000. Then, however, they're
doing the presentation, and maybe if we do feel that
they probably should. Get more money, they would only be
entitled to that 5000. So what is the resolution? Please,
Holly. If councilor Scriber and Venna Eggman agree, it is
to approve the funding of $5,000 to the apple Blossom
Festival with a caveat that support of financials for 2024
are to be presented before funding is released. All in
favor? Aye, Arthur. Aye. Hamilton, ice driver.
Ben eggman. Aye. Martin I resolution is carried. West north.
Emily, physician recruitment. They're requesting $9,135. Be it resolved, the
council approved. Deny, defer this. Budget request in this amount
to the west earth. Amberland physician recruitment. Could I be
mover? In a second, or, please. Moved Hamilton. Second, Arthur.
Discussion. Councilor hamilton. So as a member of that
board, who has sat with that board for nearly a
year, I've learned a lot in a year. And. I'm
supportive of a collaborative effort. No individual municipality is going
to do this on their own. I do think we
need to work as a collective with our neighbors in
order to attract. Good primary health care to our community.
Having said that. I just came from Roma. And the
final panel was a healthcare panel. And the chair or
president. Maybe that's his title. Of the Oma. Was describing.
Payments to doctors to attract them as the hunger games.
He said it repeatedly throughout his presentation. This is a
33 year old doctor who's taken on the presidency of
the OMA. I think some of our neighbors are doing
this. They're putting funds towards attracting dockers. We already know
that. Docs on the bay, or docs by the bay,
or whatever they call themselves, or giving $100,000 to a
doctor to bring them in. It brings them in temporarily,
it does. But the reality is. We need to be
more creative. About. How we look at providing. Primary health
care to our residents. The municipalities. Are already. Funding provincial
programs to the tune of $68 billion a year. $68
billion a year. Subsidized. On provincial programs by municipalities. Is.
I don't want to use the word criminal, but it's
terrible that's. A terrible number to know that. We only
have very limited tools with which to gain our tax
dollars. And we're supporting. Programs that should be provincial. I
guess I could whine all day about that. But. I'm
as supportive as I am of a collaborative effort with
other municipalities. I'm concerned about how much money can be
burned through while we go down the wrong path. I
agree with that. We're near the bottom of that step
ladder. In a group like this. I would rather take
that money. Find a third year met student and say,
hey, give us two years or give us a chance.
To. Be your first place of residency. And. We will
take care of your education at the tune of 10,000.
Maybe that's. Illegal? I don't know, but it seems like
a far better way than to throw our money into
a pot. That really hasn't helped us in ten years.
And I know the names have changed. But the idea
is the same. Well, I sit on that committee, too.
And. I can no longer support it. I simply can
no longer support it because I think it's being hijacked.
The whole committee is being hijacked, and I'm being very
blunt here and probably be shocked at dawn for this.
But. There are power games going on. And I will
be blunt about this, too. I think the hospital. Is
really protecting its own drive. To recruit doctors. And they're
trying to sort of take over the recruitment processes and
programs that have been proposed. I think this Ontario health
team, Northumberland, which started out with cooperatively all kinds of
people collaborating. And it had good legs. But. It's being
undermined. By the hospital. I'll be that blunt. And by
a few of the doctors who want to protect who
they recruit and how they recruit. So I cannot support
this. I'm tired of going to meetings. And saying, we
should do this and we should do that, and they're
preparing an ad. For recruitment at whatever. And yes to
me. It's extraordinarily insulting to me. That people are offering.
Doctors are offered $100,000 to come to your community as
they did in Brighton, for example. Two years into the
game. Which was the term that they were minimum to
state. The day after that expired, that doctor resigned. That
to me is not acceptable, not on. And I think
that's a waste of money. I think we have more
falling nose, having really researched the Norwood situation, where Norwood
and the municipality invested in a building, invested in an
office building, provided the office building. Actually. Supply, administrative support.
So that a doctor can come in and set up
shop. And there it is. Because what they don't like
is assuming all the office work and the administration and
the paperwork, they just want to come in and practice
medicine. And that's how they're doing it, and I think
that's very innovative. And positive, rather than handing somebody a
check for 100,000 saying, Have a nice life. We've got
to be more innovative and welcoming in the community. So
I'm not altogether popular with this committee right at the
moment, of course. But I'm done. I cannot support it.
I just cannot. Yes, you may. Thank you, Madam Mayor,
everyone in the room is aware that in Crammy township
we recently. Formed a healthcare needs committee. That committee has
had the opportunity to meet. Twice. And as far as
I know, in our February meeting, we will actually be
hearing from the Norwood example. Now, first numbers that I
heard from Norwood were that it was costing taxpayers annually
about a quarter of a million dollars to support a
team. Of three or four doctors, a nurse practitioner and
other modalities, all in the same building. That. They didn't
build the building, but they provided signatures that allowed the
developer to get money. From the bank. So it's a
creative process as a combination of public private interests that
move this forward, but currently there are no orphan patients
in that area that I'm aware. Of so. There are
models out there. I'm actually encouraged that the Ford government
has hired Jane, Phil. Pot, too, because if you read
her book, healthcare for all is quite a different model
than what we currently live under in terms of health
care. I'm going to also say that housing has eclipsed
healthcare as a provincial concern and it's because our health
care facilities are telling us that housing is the number
one driver. Of lineups in the emergency wards now. So
this is a huge issue. I think. Our health care
needs committee here in Cranby Township is really just in
the discovery phase. Of what our community needs are. So
I would be in favor of. Focusing more on that
as a community, but we do have to absolutely maintain
partnerships with our surrounding communities because. Health care is such
a bigger issue. Anyway. I guess that's all I'm going
to say. And you are right, Mandy, compared to what
is being said about giving doctors the 100 grand or
whatever communities happen to be giving. They're doing all kinds
of little things to attract doctors. The head of the
OMA, Dr. Dominic Novak, says what doctors really want is.
To work in teams. They want to be multidisciplinary. They
don't want the 1600 patient load that is currently projected.
They want smaller caseloads. They want to be able to
take vacations just like other people. So we need to
look at it differently. And I have to agree with
you. I'm not confident that this committee is on the
right path and the power struggles are obvious. Well,
this took an unexpected and very pleasant path, so I'm
quite inspired.
If I can say just because I. I sit on
that board. And I'm wavering with support, so I will
pull back my motion. And motion to decline. Second van
Eggman. I will say it is difficult because I know
that they have in the past done some great but
now with the information that you have as well as
Sherry's provided, I have to. Say aye, herther. Epstein.
Ice driver Ben Eggman. I. Martin, I. Ms declined. Nine
cube, Brighton auxiliary rescue unit. Be it resolved that council
approved, deny or defer this budget request in the amount
of $1,500. To the Brighton auxiliary rescue unit, but I
have a mover in a second. Please. Move, scriber. Second,
Hamilton. Any discussion. All in favor? Hi, Arthur.
Ihama ice grabber benigmund. Aye, Martin, I that is approved.
Nine r Northumberland Humane Society. Be it resolved, that council
approved and I defer this budget request. In the amount
of $1,000 to the Northumberland Humane Society. Could I have
a mover? In a second, or please. Move, Scrabber.
Second Arthur for discussion. All in favor? Oh, discussion, rather.
Excuse me. There's no information given, really, that no backup
as to what this is for. And currently what I'm
trying to think what do we have now for if
we have the lost dogs. What is our current. Shelter
policy.
From what I'm hearing, it's about $1,500 quarterly with the
humane. Society right now. With the bylaw, they entered into
a new agreement with them, I believe, last year, the
year before. Yeah, that
was. Sorry. So we pay $6,000 annually. For pretty much.
I think most of the services are the same that
we pay for, and this is, in addition to that,
This is the first time you receive this application. You've
already got my 135, so I'm not giving them any.
Yes, through you, Madam Mayor. I was just curious to
see if there was any more information related. To this.
But while it would be charitable, I'm personally not in
the mood. Okay. The motion is to deny. Could I
have a vote, please? Hi, arsenal.
Aye. Hammer. Ice driver. Vinnick. Manai. Martin. I. It is
denied. Nine S. Royal Canadian Legion. Branch 187. Be it
resolved, council approved. And I defer this budget request in
the amount of $1,000 to the Royal Canadian Legion branch.
187. Could I have a mover into. Seconder. Please. Motion
to approve. Second van Eggman. Any discussion. All in favor?
Aye, Arthur. Aye. Hamilton Ice driver Bennett. Martin. I it
is approved. 19 Castleton pet parade. Be it resolved that
council approved deny or defer this budget request. In the
amount of $500 to the castleton pet parade. Could I
have a mover? In a second, or, please. Motion to
approve. Second. Hamilton, any discussion? All in favor?
Through you, Madam mayor, to members of council. So I'm
just reopening this because. I can't recall, but am I
right to say, traditionally, that we've offered these guys free
facility and. This is separate from that.
Yes. They use the Castleton town hall as a meeting.
And the library opened too, to host. People.
And then, as you said, 500 for insurance.
We have a resolution. Prove. Deny, whatever. Hello? Calling it
a vote in approval. Aye, hersa. Aye.
Hammock ice driver Benny. Martin, I. That is approved. Nine.
You. Music in the square. Be it resolved, the council
approved deny or defer this budget. Request in the amount
of $1,500 to music in the square. Could I remove
her? In a seconder, please. Move to Hamilton. I'll second
get it on the floor. Please. Councilor ben eggman. Oh,
sorry. Did they have music in square last year? They
did. Okay, so it was done. I was just unclear
because I know that for a time there they had
said, well, forget about it. And so I don't know
what happened there, that's all. Through you, madam mayor. So,
yeah, the music in the square, the traditional crew was
able to find the support they required and I think
proceeded last year. But this is a separate application. Do
we know anything else, that it's not separate, it's the
same. Okay, Bill, are you able to provide a background?
I'm curious. So my understanding is that it's been taken
over by community living and respite. North Dumberland this year
and. Those are the people who are requesting this funding.
Yes, Councilor Hamilton. If I remember correctly, they had an
issue with not being able to do their 50 50
rackle. Raffle tickets because. It was through the alcohol and
Gaming Commission, they would have needed a charity to oversee.
Or something like that. And so I think that's why
we're seeing this over. Overseeing organization, doing the application on
their behalf. Traditionally, we supported this in the
past. How much have we done in the past? 600,
so we've given them 623 and 624.
And if I may. Again. They had the entire year
last year. I know it got off to a late
start, but they as the group got it. And again,
no financial background. All it says is to help enhance,
but no information, so I'm good with the 600 we've
done in the past.
Sandra, could you live with 750? Halfway to the 1500.
Going once, going twice. So I was going to suggest
1000, but 750 would be a good compromise. So is
that for discussion now? Because I think it should be
the full 1500. It's an amazing attraction. To the town.
It's such an asset. We don't have to drag. In.
The amps and all that stuff. I think it's a
showcase. I think it's. A good investment. And furthermore, it
isn't just a one off event. It goes through the
summer months. Eight weeks, I think. It should be supported.
It's good value for the money. And people love it.
If I may. Madamira, I agree with you. This event
for over an eight week period attracts. A lot of
people within our community and to our community. So.
It's. A very good. Friendly thing. Music brings people together.
Also like to note that the downtown businesses, some of
the downtown businesses, become quite creative with it. Yes, they
stay open for the evening. And retro we won. Does
ice cream specials and so on. And the Royal does
a special menu, et cetera. Takeout and so on. I
think it's a good thing. I think it boosts everyone.
And when businesses honor it that way, they go the
extra step. That should be honored, I think. I then
only have one question. What will the funds actually fund?
They pay for the bands. Bottom line. And a band
can be anywhere from 750 to 1500. So it may
be just one special headliner. Quote. Local headliner group or
whatever. Plus. They do. There are other things that turn
up. For example? They need a sound system or a
new mic or whatever. It's easy to go through 1500.
When you're dealing with live music. The only thing I'll
add. I know Chris isn't here and I don't. Believe
we charge for the rental of the park any longer.
But I do believe there is staff associated with overtime.
And all those things as well. The township is very
supportive of it. We also put the Porta potties in
the park for the season. So you need to support
that, if only to support the porta bodies. Well.
I tend to agree with the 1500.
I will change my motion then to 1500 full amount.
Through you, Madamora. So I'll play devil's advocate, because I
find it annoying. That they didn't do anything on this
application, but if you really need $5000, I think I'd
actually fill out the application. What I was going to
use it for, so it makes me believe they actually
really probably don't. Even need the money. So I'd like
to see us be a little more stringent on accountability,
on the money coming and going and what it's being
used for. 1500, 700, it doesn't really matter. It's a
drop in the bucket. But it's kind of the principle
of being such a poor application. Just on one quick
note, maybe what we do then is our applications for
municipal grants now have must apply or must attach financial
document, right? Or we don't accept. So maybe that's what
we do for the future. Then that way they haven't
met the criteria. If it doesn't come. I would second
that motion. I'm going to call a vote on
1500 for approval. Hi, Arthur.
I hamilton. Ice driver. Van Eggman. Aye. Martin, I. The
resolution is carried. And if I may, then I'll make
a motion that for the 2026 that our application for
municipal grants is altered to show that financial information is
required. Balance sheet. Balance sheet is required. Second hammock. All
in favor? Aye, Arthur. Ice grabber benign. Martin
I. Resolution is carried. Open forum. Members of the public
have three minutes to ask general questions. And are not
to enter into debate. Please state your name and address
for the records. Each member may speak only once.
I can't see against the light. So, do we need
to discuss the next meeting under new business? Next budget
meeting, please. Options are.
The budget meeting is currently scheduled for Wednesday being January
29. And our only other option, mainly because of the
availability of the Keeler center of the hall. We're sitting
in right now is going to be Monday, February 3.
So we either stick with our original date of the
29th, which also means that we'll have to update everything.
Over the weekend. Post the agenda by Sunday and council
members of council have Monday. And Tuesday to review the
binder and be ready to discuss that information on Wednesday.
Or we set up the meeting for Monday, February 3.
Thank you. The only thing that I'll add to that
is I cannot attend on Wednesday, February 3. The 29th.
The Wednesday the 29th. I can't make that. Yes, I
can probably be zoomed, but I'm on my own that
day, so I could be taken away in the situation,
so I can't guarantee that I'll be at my desk
that full day. Just in the interest of having.
More time with the binder. I would benefit from the
third, but I can do either day by getting it
on Monday is a quick turnaround. Otherwise. And I have
county on February 3, but 01:00. And a public works
committee, and then I have a tour of the Golden
Plow Lodge and. A special council meeting at 02:00 p.m.
on the third, but I can. Be there in the
morning. Pardon? We need you here. So that's my caveat.
Can it be done in the morning? Can we do
it? We can start in the morning. We usually do
start in the morning. Might not get through all of
it, which means we'll have to probably select another date.
But, yeah, we can start morning in the morning and
see when we have to stop.
So maybe. Can we ask the killer centers where we're
having our meetings? Can. God forbid. I don't know why
we don't have attendance. Everybody likes to. Whatever, but we
don't have the attendance. Can we go back to the.
Town hall, council chambers. For that. It can't be hybrid
because we're only set up here now.
I can only do zoom on the 29th, and I
can't guarantee that I'll. Be at the desk all day.
The time with the binder. It's going to be like
the only two days. We can start with Monday on
February 3 and then see how far we get. And
then maybe you'll have more dates available at that time
to see when the next meeting can be. Scheduled at
this point. Let's just get them in calendar. I think
it'd be better just to get them in calendar.
That's the same date as the healthcare needs committee. The
10th. Yes, we could. And it will depend. They've invited
a couple of delegations to that. Meeting.
Only the operational budget that we're going over. Sorry. Well,
I meant to say that we've already addressed the issue
papers which do seem to tend to take longer. So
we have already addressed most of them. So operational budget,
yes, will take up few hours, but not as long
as it usually does because we've separated the two items
together. Sorry. Are we suggesting that we not put in
any time on February 3 and just move it to
the 10th or are we going to start on the
third with the potential of continuing on the 10th. I
would suggest starting on the third and then maybe do
half a day on the third. And maybe we can
start the meeting on the 10th if. You have the
other meeting? Maybe we can start at twelve. If an
hour is enough for the. Meeting. We can maybe start
at twelve or even one and then we can go
past the 05:00. Mark on February 10. That way we
have two days lined up for that. Through you, Madam
mayor, to members of council. We can also piggyback on
the 11th, which is your council meeting too? Your committee,
but we can call a special council meeting before the
committee meeting so that you can. Piggyback onto that. So.
If I may rub up. When's our binders coming to
us? I will try to get it Monday, Tuesday as
soon as possible. Just a couple of changes that I
have to make after the takeaways from this meeting. Just
need the time to make those changes. Print the binders
and have them ready for pickup. Early next week. Okay,
so that gives us a week with the binders, and
if we go on February 3, okay.
So three of mayor to members of council. It would
be February 3, half day we can start. As early
as 830 in the morning. We'll start at 830 on
the February the third. We'll go till weekend. You have
to leave by what time? Say one. No, I'm at
meeting strips at one. So I can go. After 1230
and we'll see how far we get. And then from
there we can. Reschedule whether we come back on the
10th or you can finish before committee of the whole
on the 11th. Sure. We'll do half day on the
10th. We'll book it so that you. Have it in
your calendars and it will start at twelve. Is that
okay? Sharing? I would suggest you start at one. One.
So we'll start at one. On the 10th. Delegation is
coming to that committee. Fair enough. So we'll start at
one on the 10th, and then we'll go. Till we
finish.
Out of a mover in a second. Or please, for
the confirming bylaw. Moved, Arthur. Second van acman. All
in favor? Aye. Arthur. Aye. Hamilton, ice driver. Benegman.
I. And then councilor van Egman. Oh, madamir, before you
go. Any idea when the public is going to get
a copy of the budget? The amount of mayor to
members of council. The meeting will be on the third,
so agenda will have to be posted by. This Friday.
Thursday. Friday of this week. Next. Week. Sorry. I'm sorry.
Yes. So, the 30th? Are you asking for a final?
Issue papers and so on have been posted online. Already.
The rest of the budget. Right. On the 30th. January
30 on the 30th. Yes, thank you. Motion to adjourn.
Second scriber. All in favor? Aye, Arthur. Aye. Hamilton, ice
driver. Benigmund. Aye.