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I'm Mayor Mandy Martin, and I call this township of

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Crammy special council meeting. Friday, January 24 at order.

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We are meeting at the Keeler center and there is

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some hybrid or Zoom connection going on. For people as

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well. As we gather, we would like to formally recognize

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the traditional keepers of this land and specifically our neighbors

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of the Alderville First Nation, we respectfully acknowledge that Crammy

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Township is located on the Mississauga Ashinabic territory. The traditional

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territory of the Mississauga. Grammy township respectfully acknowledges that the

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Mississauga nations are the collective stewards and caretakers of these

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lands and waters in perpetuity, and they continue to maintain

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this responsibility to ensure their health and integrity for generations

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to come. Item three, recording equipment. In accordance with bylaw

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20 20 17, members of the public are to advise

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the mayor or the clerk of the use of devices

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for transcribing or recording the proceedings of open session by

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auditory or visual means prior to the meeting. Item four

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agenda, question period. Have we any questions submitted? Item five,

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confirmation of our agenda. And the resolution reads, be it

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resolved, that council approved the agenda. As presented. Could I

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move her into second, or. Please. Move to Hamilton second.

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Any discussion. All in favor? Aye, Arthur. I Hamilton ice

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driver benign. Martin I. The resolution is carried. Have any

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members of council, any declarations of conflict. By their pecuniary

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or otherwise, to declare. Seeing none. We will have opening

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comments regarding our budget deliberations this morning from our treasurer

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rub nadim. Please proceed. Thank you through your madam. Merit

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to the members of council. Good morning, everybody. This is

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part two of. Our budget meetings for 2025, where we

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are reviewing all the issue papers that have been submitted.

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By the departments. When we met last time we covered

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up until the recreation. And parts and recreation issue papers.

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So we'll be starting with facilities, which is Fac. 125,

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which is the first issue paper to be reviewed. Thank

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you. And the resolution reads, be it resolved, that council

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approve, deny or defer this budget request of $8,000 funded

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through reserves to repair the Colburn town clock. Could I

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move her? Into second or please. And then discussion. Second

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scrabber. Discussion. This is an upper limit, is

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that correct? This is an upper limit for this. Yes.

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Upper limit. Okay. Pardon me. Yeah, it was on last

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year's budget, et cetera, was dropped. There may be other

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ways to cut costs. And of course, we are encouraging

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all departments to be innovative. And examine all options. Is

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there any discussion on this? Is this pro or con?

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Joel. Through you, Madam mayor. Maybe. I guess to rub

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out. I'm just curious. I think last year when this

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came to us, it was proposed to come out of

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taxation, and I see this. Here. It's reserves. Are you

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able to say what reserve it's getting pulled from, potentially?

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Sure. So it's coming out from the Colburn town hall

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reserves, the same reserves that. Were referred to last time

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we and we met for the filing. For all the

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record management. Yes. Last year it was proposed to be

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funded through taxation. This year. The way the issue paper

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was brought forward, it is to be funded through reserves

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for 8000. It'll be the Quoburn Town hall resource. Yes,

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deputy mayor Arthur. And if I may, through you to

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rub up rubb. What is our reserve amount in that?

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Account. So it was about 90,000 before we actually funded

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the other project from it, so I believe the cost

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of that was about 10,000, but with the understanding that

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it could be more than that. It was at that

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amount. So we have to take the 10,000 off of

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the 90. So about 80, roughly. Thank you. And if

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I may. I 100% agree. We've got to look at

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covering costs. And on the other side, of it is.

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How long do we let a building look at? It's

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something not working. People coming into the municipality. I'm not

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saying that they all are going to look high and

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see the clock, but. On the same side. If we're

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not looking after things for long periods of time, that's

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not good for us either. So with that amount being

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in reserves, I'm going to say I agree to proceed

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with it this year. Are you moving that?

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Scriber. I will second that. Any further discussion. All in

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favor? Aye, Arthur. I hamilton. Ice driver.

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Naveen eggman. I'm Andy Martin. So it carries eight AB

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facilities. Report 225 Castleton Town hall, brickwork. Be it resolved,

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that council approved, denied or defer this budget request for

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$30,000 for the Castleton town hall brickwork funded through taxation.

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Could I have a mover? Into seconder, please. Moved Hamilton

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second scriber. Discussion. Yay or nay, folks?

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I will. Go ahead. It is time to do the

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pointing on some of that and even some of the

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bricks, actually. Have to be replaced. It's another one of

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these. Well, do you fix it or get. Rid of

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it, and we can't get rid of it, so we

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got to fix it. Councilor Hamilton. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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Through you to the rest of council, as the daughter

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of a bricklayer. I looked at that and I'm like,

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we have to fix that sooner. Rather than later. Okay.

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Do we have a mover? I will move that we

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repair the building. For an upper limit of $20,000.

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Do we have a secondary. Please note that the resolution

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is for $30,000. Second Hamilton for 30,000.

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Right. Are we adjusting the number? To what? It's the

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ask. Deputy mayor Arthur.

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Thank you. And if I may, as one follow up.

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Can you just confirm the corner that this is at?

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Is this anything to do with the north? Side and

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the slope roof problems we've had before where all the

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water was going in. That is now fixed. Three you,

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Madam Mayor, to members of council, specifically deputy mayor Arthur.

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My understanding is there is some. Brickwork on the side,

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but majority of this is at the front door that's

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falling. Off. Yes, I do want to state it is

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in the report that this is a heritage building as

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well, so it's prudent that it's be fixed and maintained

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as it should. Any further discussion. All in favor? Aye,

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Arthur. Aye. Hamilton, ice driver. Ben Egman? Aye. Mark Nye.

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The resolution is carried. Eight AC facilities report 325, counsel

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floor. Repair. The resolution reads, be it resolved that council

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approve, deny or defer this budget request for $10,000 for

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the Castleton town hall floor repair, funded through tax. Taxation.

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Could I have a mover in a second, or. Please.

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Move, scriber. To start discussion all second. Discussion, Mr. Van

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eggman. No. There's a lot of things in this township

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that needs upgrading before the floor and the. Town hall

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there, or whatever we want to call that upstairs. There

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are some raw areas, but it doesn't need to be.

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It's not a priority. Any further comments? Do you want

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to make a motion? Motion to deny. Yes, I'll second

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that. Building is beautiful, and I'm glad we're getting the

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front of it repaired, but. Just in the essence of

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prudence. I don't think it's the right time. To do

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the floor. It's a shame because it's a beautiful building,

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but I'll second that. In any further discussion. All in

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favor of turning this down? I. Am. Okay, ice driver.

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Benign. Martin I the resolution. Do not proceed with. This

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is carried eight b. Transportation services public works issue paper

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125 2025. Gravel crushing. And the resolution reads, be it

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resolved, that council approve, deny or defer this budget request

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to fund. $75,000 for gravel crushing, funded through taxation. Could

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I remove her into second or. Please. Move to an

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eggman. Second, Hamilton. Discussion. I need a motion. Maybe I

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just have a very quick question on the paper. There's

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a line item for the rehabilitation that Tim and Phil.

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I'm just curious. Like, from my own understanding. What that

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consists of. Through the ministry. We have to do some

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rehabilitation on the pit. In the yearly and it's reported

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basically to the ministry. So part of it is, along

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with the agravel and nagra produced, we have to do.

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Some rehab. So along with them producing the gravel, there

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is rehab that's done every year. For the pit. Yeah,

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thanks for that. I just wasn't sure.

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I. Hamilton ice driver benigmund. Aye, martin, I.

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Voted to approve eight BB public works. Workswalk replacement. Be

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it resolved, the council approve, deny or defer this budget

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request to fund $25,000 from taxation for the replacement of

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the crosswalk. Could I move her into seconder, please? I

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will move just for discussion at this point. Second. Discussion.

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Deputy mayor. Thank you. And if I may so this

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one's concerning to me just as what are we replacing

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it with? Because the concern that I have is this

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crosswalk. I don't think we've had any serious accidents, but

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I'll tell you. Sometimes in the afternoon, it's not bright

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enough. I don't know if it's. Not loud enough, it's

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not bright enough. Are we looking at something? To better

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the area there. Like a larger one, louder one, brighter

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one. What are we looking at? We're looking at an

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r 920 MX. It's got rfbs that's. Actually flashing beacons

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on it. It's a solar powered, if you want to

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look. At one. It's going across some lake Ridge Chrysler

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and Port Hope. They've got the same setup that we're

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looking at it through, named the companies through Carmont and

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goes through ats. So that's we're looking at and taking

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off. That. So if there's heavy equipment or something going

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through, Sandra. That it'll be too going. So there's flashing,

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so it's more prevalent. Basically coming in instead of just

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the little lights on top. So we're looking at the

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same thing as in port hope that they did for

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it, and it does have the flash and beacons with

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the button, and it's a solar pallet with a solar

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powered with. A backup electric. So, Tim, this is the

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one in front of the bank. I was all along

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thinking it was the corner one, which is a bigger

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problem. Because you can pull up to the crosswalk there

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and not see any traffic coming. So I'm not. Sure

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that will have to be addressed at some point, and

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the same as the crosswalk that comes across the park

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and enters. Onto. Would that be Percy? I'm not even

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sure what that would be like in the middle of

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across the dentist office. And I think maybe we could

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have that one joined to the one at the corner.

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But the one at the corner is too far up,

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so you can't see the traffic coming. I was just

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confused. And now it's clear because it says highway too.

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King street. Yeah. There's a couple of different spots, but

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we're starting with the King street. One, too. That there's

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been. It's been frozen a lot of times, been fixed.

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So we're starting with the king street one and then

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with new subdivisions coming on as well, there's going to

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have to be further crosswalks. And look at what design

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is going to have to be is further even down

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towards foxtale on. King street, coming across from Foxtail south

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there. Getting across to the sidewalk on the other side.

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So there's a number of places that we could start

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putting the crosswalks also. Legislation of seeing where exactly and

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what type of crosswalk has to be put there. But

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the intention of this one, councilman, was the King street

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one in front of the bank. But if you guys

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want to put $50,000, we can put another one. Across.

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Or we can switch that one or put it there.

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Or leave the one on King Street. I will add

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that the one that is at the bank. Was. Designed.

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By. It was in place by a welder. It's timely

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change that one to get. Up to where everything sets

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back, basically. Yes, Councilor Hamilton. Thank you, Madam

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Mayor. Through you to the rest of council and staff,

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I agree that we need to replace. This crosswalk, but

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I would like to echo councilor van Eggman's concerns about

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the entire area around Victoria park, that is. A very

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high risk area for all traffic, pedestrian, car, you name

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it. I think we need at some point to put

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that high on the priority list. As needing a solution

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or multiple solutions, if I may. So what do we

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have here? The resolution is to accept. So that is

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our resolution. It's on the floor to approve. All in

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favor? Aye. Arts. I, hamilton ice driver bennigma.

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Martin I. It is proved eight BC Public Works report

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325. A new half ton truck. The resolution reads, be

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it resolved, that council approved deny or defer. This budget

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request of $50,000 to purchase a new half ton truck

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funded through taxation. Could I have a move in a

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second, or. Please, for discussion. Moved Hamilton. Second van Eggman.

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Discussion. Deputy Merritt. Thank you. And through you two. I'll

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do this to rub up first because I spoke to

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her on this. I was wondering. If we have a

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map of some sort that goes, that shows us the

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amount of vehicles that we have thank you. In each

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one of the departments. It just allows us a visual

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as to how many we have, what needs to be.

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Can we share something? Whatever, and I ask for it.

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For the fire department as well, because when they talk

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about numbers on the trucks. Yes, we're, somewhat familiar, but

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if you've got a visual. With a number. What's it

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north? What's it south? The same thing with some. Of

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these snowflake trucks, et cetera. Even the half tons and

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parks should be included. In this as well. Just allows

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us. Allows me, anyway. I don't know, maybe arrested council.

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Doesn't have the concern. How many trucks do we have?

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Yes, you see it on our asset management list, but

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it's not showing just where they all are. So you've

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got something? Yes, we do have a list that was

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used for another project. Trackmatics. That list all of the

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fleet. It doesn't have the age on it again, we

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can put something more. Comprehensive together. Or it does. It

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has a year. Sorry. My bad. Okay. It has a

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year of the vehicle, so I can just regulate this.

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1 second.

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Okay, while everybody's studying this, let's keep moving. What are

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the questions that you have? Deputy mayor Arthur. As a

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follow up to that. So this 2009. Again. So which

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one would that be on this particular list? And the

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other thing is, what are we looking at that we're

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looking at a half. Ton for $50,000. Not that I'm

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picking on anyone here. But a year ago, I bought

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a half ton. That can be the most basic of

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all basics. And there was nowhere near. So do we

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have privilege pricing that we're getting this, that? We know

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that we can be at $50,000. I just would like

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to have a follow up, please. Yes, we have a

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quote right here. We did a lot of research to

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find the best deal. We can and actually went to

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a dealership that will give us a municipal discount. And

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we have all the paperwork right here. We're also looking

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at a basic. Some of them, even now, is you

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can still get inventory that's on the ground for 0%

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financing we've done went down that. Path if there is

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something there. But we do have all of the, not

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all of the dealerships. Will offer you a municipal discount.

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Some of them will give you. A fleet discount, but

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will now give you a municipal discount. Fortunate. There is

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one that will give us a municipal discount. In the

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truck that he had there. Was just at $50,000. For.

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That was a four x four, brand new. That was

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a 2020. It was between 2025. GM. That we're looking

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at. Because it's going to be with what he has

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on the ground.

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Any other questions? Yes. Council,

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shredder. Yeah, through you, Madam Mayor. Tim, am I correct

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to say the nine is not on the list just

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because it's not in service right now. I don't think

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it's on here, but maybe I'm. Not seeing it right.

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Yeah, it's out of service. Yes. The truck that we're

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requesting to replace it is out of service and like

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the report says it is used beyond. Eight to nine

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years beyond its expected useful life at this point. And

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it's beyond the repair stage. That's why it had to

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be pulled out of service. There's also a 2011 that's

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rusted out completely. We can trade. If you want to

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save, we can take one of parks and recs or.

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Building departments trucks and get them a car or something

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like we're willing to work with. Whatever has to be

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done. And we're willing to take a four cylinder as

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opposed to an eight cylinder if it's going to be

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patrolling, so we're willing to work. With it at ever.

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I think what should be emphasized here is that some

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of these trucks are in bad shape. They could be

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pulled right now, frankly. So the other thing that I'm

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really pleased about is the innovation and the pricing and.

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Looking at the options, and, senator, you're talking about an

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inventory of all the vehicles and. So on. And we

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look at each other and compare across, and I think

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that is what we have to do. We have to

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look across all departments and look at our inventory and

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how we can. Maximize use between departments as well, and

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I think that's what's happening here. I think that's what's

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being looked at. I think 50,000 comes with an actual

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quote. An actual offer. Anyway. Yes, Councilor Hamilton and then

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councilor van Eggman and then councilor Luxon. Shriver. I'm sorry.

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I'll kick this off. Thank you, Madam Mayor. To the

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rest of council, I am in. Favor of upgrading this

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fleet. I think we've known since I was elected that

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the fleet for the transportation department is. Aging would be

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a polite word. It looks like the homework has been

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done. And I have to admit, and I said this

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at our last meeting that when I first went through

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these issue papers and saw that they had identified a

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potential purchase for $20,000 less than what the parks and

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rec issue paper identified. I am in favor of us

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making this purchase and allowing it to move forward. Yeah.

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When they've got to hand me down and it's still

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in use and it's one of their better trucks. And

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when the MPO sets up at 401 and when you

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got to drive around. And I know what that's all

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about. I take a different road. And our works department.

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Shouldn't have to do that, and I know that's happening.

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May I just say, the Lovesham family was very famous.

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In Durham, actually, in what is now Clarington. Lufton was

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a judge, and his son was an MP and then

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an MP. And you would look very much like the

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sun. So. I'm sorry, that's from. Years ago. My old

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Rolodex is slipping. Thank you for that. The only comment

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through you, madam Air. Yeah. Maybe. Can't say I'm new

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anymore, but it's really valuable for me. To see the

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inventory. And a lot of these trucks are really old,

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so all the questions are just. Like the hardware stuff

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is sometimes hard for me to wrap my head around,

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but the 50K is a tremendous deal, and we'd be

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remiss not to take advantage of it. Because. It's essentially

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almost half price, assuming. The municipal discount can come through,

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so. Yeah. Well done, guys. We got eight and eleven

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s and 13s on here. It's now 2025. So well

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done. Okay. Do we have a resolution for approval? Moved.

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Van eggman. Second, Hamilton. Any further discussion. All

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in favor? Aye, Arthur. I Hamilton Ice driver Benigmund. Aye,

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Martin. I. It is approved eight BD public works. Single

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axel plow reserve transfer. Be it resolved, that council approved,

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deny or defer this budget. Request to allocate $75,000 to

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reserves in 2025 using taxation revenue for a purchase of

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a single axle plow to be replaced in 2026. If

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I have a mover into seconder, please? Moved Hamilton second

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scriber. Discussion. Yes. Thank you, madam Mayor. My question

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is regarding the numbers in the body of the issue

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paper. Allocate 70,000 them, but later it's requesting 75,000. Can

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we get clarification on whether it's 70 or 75? Yes,

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my apologies on that. That should be 75. That's what

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the resolution reads is 75. It shouldn't say 70 on

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top of the first line of the issue paper. It

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should. Be 75. By May mandy. This is not a

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new truck, though, is it? This is just putting money

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into reserves. Talk to Rubb. There's about 330,000. In the

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road equipment reserves currently. So we're looking to order a

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truck. That would be, hopefully if we get ordered for

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winter of next year to get through with the four

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and five single locks that we have currently. And that

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would be hopefully becoming by December of this year beginning.

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So for, hopefully for snow season if we get something

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through and ordered. So it's also coming down the pipe

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that once that is, the reserves will be gone, basically.

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So we're looking to. Because down the road, it'll be

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looking. For tandem axle. Next we'll be in building the

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reserves for that, so that's. Why we just put the

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75,000. That would cover the cost. It's around $350,000. For

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an ordered truck that we're sitting at right now. If

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we get it. Order. Could I ask? Is the order

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going in now so that we're going to be bound

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to it? Because right now, There are a lot of

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trucks out there that are with less than 20,000k on

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them that could be adopted to what we need now.

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I know we need to plow on. Right. And it

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has to have a spreader or no spreader. We're constantly

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looking at different options, Ed, and researching. The Internet with

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what's available there. And the problem is, it's a single

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axle. Snow plow truck. And with the new subdivisions and

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everything we have coming on, we need that. Single axle.

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And they are out there. But the whole problem is

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getting the rate spring weight in them. The front end

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and the rear end for hauling the sand and everything.

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It's kind of a specialty truck in the single axle.

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Lots of single axles, but. Not with the springs and

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what you need available in the truck and when. It

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comes with that truck. Everything's all plumbed and everything. It's

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hard to find a single axle that'll actually do what

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we need to. Do going into the future. Yeah. The

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only question I had. I guess it's farew Bob through

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Madam air. I'm just curious. Is there any other mechanism

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we could pull the money from? Like, can we use

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the gas tax? Or is there any other reserve that

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we could use? That's for sure. I mean, we can

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look at the gas tax funding. I'm not entirely sure.

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My guess is that, yes, we can use the funding,

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but I can confirm that for us if this could

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be funded through. Gas tax funding. I also like to

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mention that. As Tim pointed out, there's $330,000 left on

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the reserves, and if we make the issue paper is

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about just transferring additional 75,000 into reserves. So when we're

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ready to make that purchase. There are funds available and

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that we're not going to deplete the reserves completely after

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this purchase. But, yeah, I can look into the gas

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tax. Funding. I'd like to add, too. Actually, the truck

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we are replacing is, well, the oldest one. Is an

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four and the other one is an five where every

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time we go out, we're. Constantly fixing it, nursing it

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through for the next storm. But the one that we

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do actually have, there's absolutely no floors left in the

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truck. So this is definitely something we need. To put

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in place. Capable of decision. Cokes capable of a motion

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here. Move by Mr. Van Eggman to approve. Is there

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a secondary? Yeah. The only thing I'd add is I'd

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like to explore ways to not. Take the money from

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taxation if we can do it. I'm in favor of.

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Supporting it. But if we can find alternative ways to

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fund it, like the gas tax and I'd be in

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favor of that. All in favor?

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Aye, Arthur. I. Hamilton ice driver benigmund. Aye. Martin, I.

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The resolution is approved with caveats for alternate investigation of

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funding. Construction. Hca construction.

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Construction projects. Be it resolved that council approve, deny or

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defer this budget request for all construction projects to be

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funded through OSIF gas tax funding and taxation. Could I

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have a mover? Into secondary, please. Moved Hamilton. Second van

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ignited. Discussion. The issue paper outlines the projects that are

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proposed. Yes.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor. Through you to the rest of

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council. The funding options are listed, and I'm wondering if

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we have any kind of a breakdown. Of how much

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will come from where? It's actually on. The second last

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page of the issue paper, right under financial impact. It

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says the following projects will be funded through OSF grant

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for $153,763 the gas tax reserves for 350,000 and taxation

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for 757 849. You're welcome.

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If I may rub, can we review that one more

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time? Because in the financial impact, it says 861,000. And

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those three figures certainly don't add up to 861,000. Or

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over a million. Yes, because that is because. If you

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look at the summary of the issue papers, we break

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out the construction projects and the rehabilitation and the sidewalk

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replacement. So they are all listed at two different categories.

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That's what we've done historically is we like to break

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out the cost on the summary paper, so if you

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add the 861 612 plus the two, plus the two,

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that would add up. To the number. Thank you. I'm

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going to add a bomb here. I'd like to see

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the downtown streetscape addressed and completed. The share I would

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like to see the. And again, it's under safety as

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well. The curves at the bottom of maybe lane. Finished

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as was originally proposed. We sat on this project for

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six years, and that's where the money that we originally

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got from the province was supposed to go. And it

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disappeared here, there and everywhere. I would like to see

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the downtown. Project. Streetscape finished. In the range of $50,000.

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So in terms of construction or how you put it,

466
00:34:56,789 --> 00:35:02,665
under sidewalks or you do safety or whatever, There are

467
00:35:02,665 --> 00:35:05,025
any number of ways we can assign it and assess

468
00:35:05,025 --> 00:35:09,249
it, but it has to be completed. As far as

469
00:35:09,249 --> 00:35:18,667
I'm concerned. So. I proposely add $50,000 to the

470
00:35:18,667 --> 00:35:21,067
construction budget one way or the other for the downtown

471
00:35:21,067 --> 00:35:25,653
streetscape completion. What we're trying to do with the sidewalks.

472
00:35:30,809 --> 00:35:33,409
Is right now we're working on the east end, so

473
00:35:33,409 --> 00:35:36,842
as we come into the town, Because I had a

474
00:35:36,842 --> 00:35:39,762
lot of complaints last year about weeds and things growing

475
00:35:39,762 --> 00:35:44,387
up through the sideblocks. So what we're doing is. We

476
00:35:44,387 --> 00:35:47,147
started this year right around the doctor's office where we

477
00:35:47,147 --> 00:35:50,827
left off previous three years. Ago or two years ago,

478
00:35:50,827 --> 00:35:52,827
and I'm trying to take it right down to the

479
00:35:52,827 --> 00:35:57,319
east. That way. As you approach Colburn, you're coming in

480
00:35:57,319 --> 00:35:59,719
and we're trying to. Get everything set up so that

481
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,359
we can work towards some crosswalks, some signage, and make

482
00:36:04,359 --> 00:36:08,279
everything safe, because I've really been noticing that the traffic

483
00:36:08,279 --> 00:36:11,888
coming into town, coming from the east. Basically, it's crazy.

484
00:36:14,198 --> 00:36:17,891
We've got no windows for snow removal anymore. I can't

485
00:36:17,891 --> 00:36:21,571
believe how busy it is uptown. So to me, this

486
00:36:21,571 --> 00:36:24,571
is very important that we get everything lined up with

487
00:36:24,571 --> 00:36:28,818
our sidebox, our curbs. And so on. So once we

488
00:36:28,818 --> 00:36:30,898
can get our signs in place and maybe get some

489
00:36:30,898 --> 00:36:33,578
radar signs, and then bring it into town and get

490
00:36:33,578 --> 00:36:37,298
the proper crossbox in place and then bring them. Around

491
00:36:37,298 --> 00:36:40,098
the park and maybe put some crosswalks in there, but

492
00:36:40,098 --> 00:36:44,258
that's what the intent is to start down that way.

493
00:36:44,258 --> 00:36:48,880
And we're almost there, basically. And we're at a point

494
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,080
now where this year, where we can start making both

495
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,775
sides. Look really nice. As you enter the village. It's

496
00:36:56,775 --> 00:36:58,815
not just a matter of aesthetics. It's all part of

497
00:36:58,815 --> 00:37:08,201
this crosswalk. Replacement as well, and the safety. The maybe

498
00:37:08,201 --> 00:37:13,521
lane one way traffic up is the road is chewed

499
00:37:13,521 --> 00:37:17,641
to heck and the curbs are all raw and exposed

500
00:37:17,641 --> 00:37:22,576
and people trip and carry on and whatever. It's as

501
00:37:22,576 --> 00:37:27,795
much safety as anything. It's not just. Aesthetic. I think

502
00:37:27,795 --> 00:37:30,995
that this needs to be completed, and then we can

503
00:37:30,995 --> 00:37:34,534
build on this in terms of. The whole blow of

504
00:37:34,534 --> 00:37:37,734
the traffic around Victoria park and how we have to

505
00:37:37,734 --> 00:37:41,206
once again, Pound on the county doors and get them

506
00:37:41,206 --> 00:37:45,446
to recognize that we do indeed have some issues here.

507
00:37:45,446 --> 00:37:48,884
And they keep saying there isn't enough traffic. All they

508
00:37:48,884 --> 00:37:52,188
have to do is stand there on the step. And

509
00:37:52,188 --> 00:37:56,760
watch the zoo. On some afternoons, particularly with the EDR.

510
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,360
Designation that we have running through town. All of this

511
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,120
matters. All of this. Which is another reason. Why that

512
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,482
crosswalk has to come out. Some of the transport trucks

513
00:38:07,482 --> 00:38:11,202
are oversized and they're catching on that sign like it's.

514
00:38:11,202 --> 00:38:14,563
Nuts. We have to do it. And by the way,

515
00:38:14,563 --> 00:38:17,003
I don't see anybody else provincially. Stepping in to help

516
00:38:17,003 --> 00:38:20,641
us. So I'm done with them. We're going to do

517
00:38:20,641 --> 00:38:24,297
it ourselves. To the best of our ability and for

518
00:38:24,297 --> 00:38:31,624
the safety of our people. So. Yes, Councilor Hamilton. Thank

519
00:38:31,624 --> 00:38:33,544
you, Madam Mayor. Through you to the rest of council

520
00:38:33,544 --> 00:38:39,361
and staff, I echo your concerns about. The remaining dangling

521
00:38:39,361 --> 00:38:42,161
safety issues in the downtown core. I do think that

522
00:38:42,161 --> 00:38:45,161
they, at the very least, need to be addressed, and

523
00:38:45,161 --> 00:38:49,859
at some point. I'm in favor of beautification of that

524
00:38:49,859 --> 00:38:52,459
area as well, and making it more user friendly in

525
00:38:52,459 --> 00:39:01,167
terms of. Sitting places. And greenery. And such. So I

526
00:39:01,167 --> 00:39:04,047
would like the downtown court to stay on the radar

527
00:39:04,047 --> 00:39:08,429
for this municipality as well. If I could add that

528
00:39:08,429 --> 00:39:13,437
we do now know that the connecting link. Has nothing.

529
00:39:14,135 --> 00:39:17,745
Is owned by Crammy Township. I've talked to the county

530
00:39:17,745 --> 00:39:22,241
numerous times. And we are in possession of the connecting

531
00:39:22,241 --> 00:39:26,241
link from Ontario street to Colton. So that area in

532
00:39:26,241 --> 00:39:31,207
between is our responsibility to take care of. So what

533
00:39:31,207 --> 00:39:34,935
you're talking about from the town? Haller man. That's on

534
00:39:34,935 --> 00:39:40,046
crammy. From what I understand is what? It's our responsibility

535
00:39:40,046 --> 00:39:42,846
to take care of it, and I might add, with

536
00:39:42,846 --> 00:39:47,412
the area of the crosswalk. That is a terrible. Most

537
00:39:47,412 --> 00:39:50,852
dangerous spot in the township right now, like the curb

538
00:39:50,852 --> 00:39:54,562
work and the catch basin. Are so far out of

539
00:39:54,562 --> 00:39:57,522
elevation, it's hard to clean, it's hard to do. The

540
00:39:57,522 --> 00:40:02,733
snow work there. We're catching. There actually was an accident.

541
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,960
There. The last apple, boss. And we had uptown before

542
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,557
this previous one. So it's a really bad spot there,

543
00:40:10,557 --> 00:40:11,957
and we could do a lot to make it. A

544
00:40:11,957 --> 00:40:18,907
lot safer. Thank you. When the provincial government throws snap

545
00:40:18,907 --> 00:40:21,667
election, they don't have time to give us any grants.

546
00:40:21,667 --> 00:40:23,467
So I know there's no money coming in. It's a

547
00:40:23,467 --> 00:40:28,784
good move that way. For them. If it's not already

548
00:40:28,784 --> 00:40:32,594
on the floor, I'll make a motion. That we go

549
00:40:32,594 --> 00:40:36,314
ahead with what's planned and also the 50,000 added wherever

550
00:40:36,314 --> 00:40:39,798
we have to add it. To finish the downtown, but

551
00:40:39,798 --> 00:40:43,704
it should be done after. The crosswalk is done for

552
00:40:43,704 --> 00:40:49,512
sure. Arthur. Thank you. When I look at this, the

553
00:40:49,512 --> 00:40:56,563
main one is. The pulverization and base repairs. Some of

554
00:40:56,563 --> 00:40:59,963
this work was done there in the fall. My one

555
00:40:59,963 --> 00:41:02,523
concern is on Orchard Road from Big Apple. We went

556
00:41:02,523 --> 00:41:05,723
from Orchard Road, big Apple to the west. Honest to

557
00:41:05,723 --> 00:41:08,163
God, from County Road 25 to the Apple entrance is

558
00:41:08,163 --> 00:41:10,803
a disgrace. I mean, the holes and the things and

559
00:41:10,803 --> 00:41:12,563
the cost and complaints that we get and the amount

560
00:41:12,563 --> 00:41:15,665
of traffic we have. Why are we not including that

561
00:41:15,665 --> 00:41:20,409
in this? One of my questions, the other is. Last

562
00:41:20,409 --> 00:41:23,569
year we did something different. Where we had Lake Road

563
00:41:23,569 --> 00:41:25,369
and Lake Road took an awful lot. Of my time

564
00:41:25,369 --> 00:41:28,529
this past summer with constant complaints from everybody where we

565
00:41:28,529 --> 00:41:30,889
worked it up and we didn't do the surface treatment

566
00:41:30,889 --> 00:41:35,822
back. And was that really to our advantages or ways

567
00:41:35,822 --> 00:41:39,629
that we can not do that in the future? In

568
00:41:39,629 --> 00:41:41,629
that particular one. I mean, obviously we had lots of

569
00:41:41,629 --> 00:41:44,109
people concerned with. Well, I mean, we know that there

570
00:41:44,109 --> 00:41:46,469
was orchards there. We know that there was livestock there.

571
00:41:48,465 --> 00:41:49,705
Can we look at a different way of doing that,

572
00:41:49,705 --> 00:41:51,905
or is that really to our advantages to what we

573
00:41:51,905 --> 00:41:58,774
did. As I've explained numerous times. We now are to

574
00:41:58,774 --> 00:42:02,494
a point where we can actually do our construction a

575
00:42:02,494 --> 00:42:05,734
lot faster, and we have the ability. Now that we're

576
00:42:05,734 --> 00:42:09,775
in the position. Like, for example, this year we're going

577
00:42:09,775 --> 00:42:13,638
to be surface treating in June. So that gives us

578
00:42:13,638 --> 00:42:16,638
more time to get what we it took. I thought

579
00:42:16,638 --> 00:42:18,958
it would take five. Years. As I explained numerous times,

580
00:42:18,958 --> 00:42:22,598
it's taken three. So now we are in a position.

581
00:42:22,598 --> 00:42:26,970
Where we can actually plan this out. And get things

582
00:42:26,970 --> 00:42:30,528
done as we do. As far as Lake Road. The

583
00:42:30,528 --> 00:42:32,728
problem we had out there is again, we had that

584
00:42:32,728 --> 00:42:34,888
property bar. In the middle of the intersection. So that

585
00:42:34,888 --> 00:42:37,528
was a reason that we couldn't surf a street. I

586
00:42:37,528 --> 00:42:39,488
don't know if everyone was aware of that, but that

587
00:42:39,488 --> 00:42:42,568
was an issue that we had to take care of

588
00:42:42,568 --> 00:42:46,395
through other avenues. If we go back to the big

589
00:42:46,395 --> 00:42:49,155
apple there. Sandra, I totally agree. I would love to

590
00:42:49,155 --> 00:42:56,338
do something there, but again. We're working with the big

591
00:42:56,338 --> 00:42:58,058
Apple, trying to figure out what they want. Do they

592
00:42:58,058 --> 00:43:02,113
want. The water. Do they want the sewer? So that

593
00:43:02,113 --> 00:43:08,270
area should actually. Be asphalt. And therefore, I think with

594
00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:10,390
the Big Apple, the amount of traffic they have going

595
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:13,390
in there should be input from them to assist in

596
00:43:13,390 --> 00:43:16,070
Crammy township with the traffic in there and how. It

597
00:43:16,070 --> 00:43:19,310
should be hot asphalt, maybe curb and gutter. And at

598
00:43:19,310 --> 00:43:22,150
the time we do that, we put in the sanitary

599
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:24,750
sewers in the water main, because right now we have

600
00:43:24,750 --> 00:43:29,297
the water meat. Running. Across property. So this is kind

601
00:43:29,297 --> 00:43:33,266
of what we're waiting for. With the big Apple. We're

602
00:43:33,266 --> 00:43:35,786
in talks with them. That never seemed to go too

603
00:43:35,786 --> 00:43:39,754
far. But. This is the problem there, but I would

604
00:43:39,754 --> 00:43:42,194
definitely agree with you 100%. It's a section that needs

605
00:43:42,194 --> 00:43:45,846
to be done, but we need the big apple. In

606
00:43:45,846 --> 00:43:49,326
place. Also to decide how we're moving with the sewer

607
00:43:49,326 --> 00:43:53,076
and water. If I may, can we not do a

608
00:43:53,076 --> 00:43:56,636
simple solution from the apple back to 25? My simple.

609
00:43:56,636 --> 00:43:59,796
Terms of shaven pave. I mean, so something that's done

610
00:43:59,796 --> 00:44:02,636
on a temporary basis. Is definitely not going to until

611
00:44:02,636 --> 00:44:06,396
we get that agreement for the sewer or water, but

612
00:44:06,396 --> 00:44:12,596
at least it's something because. Some of those holes that

613
00:44:12,596 --> 00:44:15,276
are constantly, if we leave them like that, we're probably

614
00:44:15,276 --> 00:44:19,276
spending more in colpatch and staff time, et cetera, going

615
00:44:19,276 --> 00:44:22,276
there and then the potential of the lawsuits we have

616
00:44:22,276 --> 00:44:26,420
because some of them have become greaters. The whole. So

617
00:44:26,420 --> 00:44:28,300
is there something we can look at? As I say,

618
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:30,420
as simple as a shave. And pave until we get

619
00:44:30,420 --> 00:44:33,500
in full agreement. That's not a lot of money lost.

620
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:36,020
But maybe it's even something that the apple would change.

621
00:44:36,020 --> 00:44:38,140
If not, it's something we should do or we're going

622
00:44:38,140 --> 00:44:42,946
to be in lawsuits. 100%. I'd love to do that.

623
00:44:42,946 --> 00:44:46,346
We could use a premium regrind and. Just like we

624
00:44:46,346 --> 00:44:48,346
did on Tarot street down there. I've been watching it

625
00:44:48,346 --> 00:44:52,225
for three. Years now. It worked really well. We just

626
00:44:52,225 --> 00:44:57,532
have to do some ditching there. And again. The areas

627
00:44:57,532 --> 00:45:01,176
that we did pulverize late in the year. These were

628
00:45:01,176 --> 00:45:04,456
areas that we're going to constantly patching, putting bandaids on

629
00:45:04,456 --> 00:45:07,216
them that we no longer could fix anymore. And every

630
00:45:07,216 --> 00:45:09,416
day we patch them, we plow. The next day. All

631
00:45:09,416 --> 00:45:12,296
the material end up in the ditch. We're spending a

632
00:45:12,296 --> 00:45:15,096
lot of money on these. Spots so in my mind.

633
00:45:16,791 --> 00:45:21,432
I had them pulverized because. They're actually liabilities. They are

634
00:45:21,432 --> 00:45:24,472
not assets. Them. Sections of roads are not assets for

635
00:45:24,472 --> 00:45:29,544
us right now. They're huge. Huge liabilities. Very unsafe. I

636
00:45:29,544 --> 00:45:36,496
bought school buses. Yes. With council support. I would love

637
00:45:36,496 --> 00:45:40,376
to take these areas and just do something to get

638
00:45:40,376 --> 00:45:45,126
us through. The next couple, three, four, five years. And

639
00:45:45,126 --> 00:45:47,926
like I said, what we did with Ontario Street, I

640
00:45:47,926 --> 00:45:50,486
watched for four. It's going on four years now, so.

641
00:45:52,302 --> 00:45:55,135
I know that it would last and. It would be

642
00:45:55,135 --> 00:45:56,495
actually help us out a lot and save a lot

643
00:45:56,495 --> 00:46:01,735
of money, a lot of citywide calls, complaints, tires, rims,

644
00:46:01,735 --> 00:46:04,775
front ends. So, yeah, it would work. I'm quite confident.

645
00:46:07,566 --> 00:46:14,530
Are we at with a resolution? Yeah. If you'd like

646
00:46:14,530 --> 00:46:17,490
to throw orchard on there from 25 in, then that's.

647
00:46:17,490 --> 00:46:23,140
Definitely something. That we could. Take care of.

648
00:46:30,251 --> 00:46:33,131
Three amount of marriage members of council Debbie Mayor Arthur

649
00:46:33,131 --> 00:46:35,171
for Orchard I think we need to be cautious of

650
00:46:35,171 --> 00:46:38,131
how we proceed forward with Orchard Road. I understand that

651
00:46:38,131 --> 00:46:42,108
that section. Is in need of repair. But the big

652
00:46:42,108 --> 00:46:46,477
apple brings in over 200 buses a day. On top

653
00:46:46,477 --> 00:46:48,397
of the vehicles and on top of everything else. If

654
00:46:48,397 --> 00:46:50,157
you're going to bring a road to a grade. It

655
00:46:50,157 --> 00:46:52,277
must be a grade that's going to support the second.

656
00:46:52,277 --> 00:46:54,517
You touch it. So if you're going to touch that

657
00:46:54,517 --> 00:46:56,437
road and you're going to put something in that isn't

658
00:46:56,437 --> 00:46:57,877
up to the standard that's going to hold. We're in

659
00:46:57,877 --> 00:47:00,317
the same predicament as we are in the beginning, so

660
00:47:00,317 --> 00:47:02,157
to me, if you're going to do it, you do

661
00:47:02,157 --> 00:47:04,837
it right the first time as opposed to putting something

662
00:47:04,837 --> 00:47:07,079
on it that could potentially. Isn't going to last with

663
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:09,159
the amount of traffic that's there in the first place

664
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:12,279
is a connecting link to the MTO, which has a

665
00:47:12,279 --> 00:47:14,879
easement through that section. It also connects to a county

666
00:47:14,879 --> 00:47:17,879
road. So this isn't just our portion. It's also the

667
00:47:17,879 --> 00:47:20,559
portion that connects to and what that is and how

668
00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:22,959
that supports. So to me, I think there's some more

669
00:47:22,959 --> 00:47:25,679
investigation that needs to go forward before we put an

670
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:27,970
amount. Or what we're going to do there, but that's

671
00:47:27,970 --> 00:47:32,088
my opinion. I couldn't agree more, but I just know

672
00:47:32,088 --> 00:47:35,888
that there is something that we can do. There to

673
00:47:35,888 --> 00:47:43,238
do a light pulverization. Of take it down an inch

674
00:47:43,238 --> 00:47:45,158
or whatever, level it out, do a little bit of

675
00:47:45,158 --> 00:47:49,426
ditching. That would. Save the staff time and the problems

676
00:47:49,426 --> 00:47:53,706
with the we definitely have to do something soon to

677
00:47:53,706 --> 00:47:57,756
fix the holes up there. Whatever we can do up

678
00:47:57,756 --> 00:47:59,196
there, it would be good to be able to do

679
00:47:59,196 --> 00:47:59,236
something.

680
00:48:09,939 --> 00:48:16,782
And if I may, and I agree with. What our

681
00:48:16,782 --> 00:48:19,782
Cao was saying. But on the same side, it's not

682
00:48:19,782 --> 00:48:21,662
just the big Apple. That use that road. There's lots

683
00:48:21,662 --> 00:48:24,342
of us as residents that use that road on a

684
00:48:24,342 --> 00:48:29,411
constant basis. And even these storms are going, so we're

685
00:48:29,411 --> 00:48:32,251
not going to stop that. Is it something that? Yes.

686
00:48:32,251 --> 00:48:35,411
We need to further investigate to see whether MTO or

687
00:48:35,411 --> 00:48:38,171
different ones want to participate. In this, such as the

688
00:48:38,171 --> 00:48:43,692
apple as well. But for right now, If we're going

689
00:48:43,692 --> 00:48:50,503
to put $50,000 in. For the downstairs, maybe lane. These

690
00:48:50,503 --> 00:48:53,343
graders. I mean, if anybody hasn't been through it, and

691
00:48:53,343 --> 00:48:54,903
I mean, the guys go, and do it. And I

692
00:48:54,903 --> 00:48:59,945
mean within the first rainfall or whatever. Those secretarian. It's

693
00:48:59,945 --> 00:49:02,105
awful. So we can't just leave it like that, but.

694
00:49:02,105 --> 00:49:04,785
They're constantly just filling it up in a day or

695
00:49:04,785 --> 00:49:06,745
two later or a week, depending. On what mother nature

696
00:49:06,745 --> 00:49:08,985
is doing to us is back. Somebody is going to

697
00:49:08,985 --> 00:49:12,305
get seriously hurt or some serious damage done that's going

698
00:49:12,305 --> 00:49:15,225
to cost us, so I would like to see extra.

699
00:49:15,225 --> 00:49:18,560
Money, whatever that potential may be, so. Whether we defer

700
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,560
this until our next meeting and maybe staff are able

701
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,465
to bring back the possibility of. What to do. A

702
00:49:25,465 --> 00:49:27,585
quick shave and pay would be. And if they come

703
00:49:27,585 --> 00:49:29,985
back and say it's? $200,000. No, I don't want to

704
00:49:29,985 --> 00:49:33,025
waste the taxpayers money. $200,000 but on the same side,

705
00:49:33,025 --> 00:49:35,225
if it's less and we can do something. Then I'm

706
00:49:35,225 --> 00:49:37,865
for that. So I would defer this until we can

707
00:49:37,865 --> 00:49:40,385
possibly come back. Maybe look at the options that you've

708
00:49:40,385 --> 00:49:42,945
asked on. Maybe lean, maybe look at the potential. Of

709
00:49:42,945 --> 00:49:45,669
what that would be from 25 to the. Apple entrance.

710
00:49:47,148 --> 00:49:50,388
For now. Then I would suggest that that be a

711
00:49:50,388 --> 00:49:53,868
separate issue paper then not to prefer all of these.

712
00:49:53,868 --> 00:49:58,384
For the sake of that. The other thing. With that

713
00:49:58,384 --> 00:50:02,224
section of road, the whole road is compromised. It needs

714
00:50:02,224 --> 00:50:05,024
a whole road, as Holly was. Trying to indicate or

715
00:50:05,024 --> 00:50:09,904
did indicate. It's not just a matter of prettying it

716
00:50:09,904 --> 00:50:13,984
up. The whole road is compromised now, every time we

717
00:50:13,984 --> 00:50:17,442
go there. And try to talk to them about water

718
00:50:17,442 --> 00:50:23,175
or sewer or. Other expanding infractions. We come away with

719
00:50:23,175 --> 00:50:25,775
something that we think we have an agreement, we think

720
00:50:25,775 --> 00:50:28,095
they're going to do it this way or they're going.

721
00:50:28,667 --> 00:50:30,867
To install a waterline along the roadway to facilitate whatever.

722
00:50:34,061 --> 00:50:37,501
Two weeks later, the water line is going squirrely all

723
00:50:37,501 --> 00:50:41,657
over the property. So we delay and we meet and

724
00:50:41,657 --> 00:50:43,977
we negotiate and we talk and we thought, what's the

725
00:50:43,977 --> 00:50:48,791
best way and for the future. It is becoming quite

726
00:50:48,791 --> 00:50:54,237
impossible. To the point where really. Get your shit together.

727
00:50:56,194 --> 00:51:00,764
Because I'm done. I couldn't agree more, but there again,

728
00:51:00,764 --> 00:51:07,246
I've been hearing these stories for 15 years. So council.

729
00:51:09,404 --> 00:51:12,712
Has to. Counsel has to make some hard decisions here.

730
00:51:15,618 --> 00:51:21,512
So that's all we ever do is wait. Well. We

731
00:51:21,512 --> 00:51:23,912
got to make a move because someone is going to

732
00:51:23,912 --> 00:51:27,206
get hurt in these spots. You guys do whatever you

733
00:51:27,206 --> 00:51:28,806
want, but if you're just going to keep waiting for

734
00:51:28,806 --> 00:51:36,609
all these things. It's never going to happen. So we

735
00:51:36,609 --> 00:51:38,489
have to do something up there. It's cost us a

736
00:51:38,489 --> 00:51:41,329
lot of money. It's a huge liability. So whether or

737
00:51:41,329 --> 00:51:43,969
not we go in there and fix the road, right?

738
00:51:43,969 --> 00:51:46,689
Or just make it so it's accessible for next couple

739
00:51:46,689 --> 00:51:50,303
of years, whatever. But we have to do something. We

740
00:51:50,303 --> 00:51:56,504
just can't keep waiting. They are our roads, and someone

741
00:51:56,504 --> 00:52:00,903
is going to. Get. We're constantly up there. Something's going

742
00:52:00,903 --> 00:52:04,732
to happen. Someone's got to take the initiative to a

743
00:52:04,732 --> 00:52:07,412
curb and gutter that put some catch. Basins in, get

744
00:52:07,412 --> 00:52:10,492
your storm sewers in, get your sanitary in and water.

745
00:52:14,492 --> 00:52:17,326
And then work it from there, but. This has got

746
00:52:17,326 --> 00:52:24,160
to happen. Landing coordinator Victoria Heffernan. Good morning, members of

747
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,880
council. I just want to point out that there's a

748
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,600
lot of development that is being proposed on this road,

749
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,880
and we need to take that into account in consideration.

750
00:52:34,029 --> 00:52:37,309
When the Rose department designs said road so it can

751
00:52:37,309 --> 00:52:40,041
handle all of that traffic. Because it's not going to

752
00:52:40,041 --> 00:52:43,721
be just for pedestrian use or for transportation use. It's,

753
00:52:43,721 --> 00:52:45,441
also going to be for construction, so it needs to

754
00:52:45,441 --> 00:52:49,041
withhold all the weight that's. Going to be associated with

755
00:52:49,041 --> 00:52:55,255
upgrading the property, bringing in infrastructure input, installing infrastructure. And

756
00:52:55,255 --> 00:52:57,775
then also the repair that has to go afterwards at

757
00:52:57,775 --> 00:53:03,141
the cost of the developer. Thank you. Mr. Ben eggman.

758
00:53:05,662 --> 00:53:14,222
We don't have a pulverizer yet, do we? No. But

759
00:53:14,222 --> 00:53:18,727
it is. Something that for the past five years has

760
00:53:18,727 --> 00:53:22,480
been an issue. We always have to get somebody in

761
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,320
to pulverize, and it's maybe a piece of machinery that

762
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,288
we're going to have to. Get some quotes on. I

763
00:53:30,288 --> 00:53:34,157
know that. We bought some crazy stuff in the past

764
00:53:34,157 --> 00:53:38,005
that isn't even being used right now. So let's also.

765
00:53:39,383 --> 00:53:42,636
Get a quote. On some sort of a pulverized. It

766
00:53:42,636 --> 00:53:44,636
doesn't have to be the top of the line, but

767
00:53:44,636 --> 00:53:48,018
something that our tractors can handle. And go from there,

768
00:53:48,018 --> 00:53:52,861
because it's not just orchard. Or it's also dudley the

769
00:53:52,861 --> 00:53:56,301
rest of the way to our property line and beyond.

770
00:53:56,301 --> 00:53:59,440
Actually. So this is something that has to be done

771
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,200
on more roads and seems like we are doing more

772
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,818
pulverizing, and we should be. Ready for the stuff that

773
00:54:06,818 --> 00:54:11,828
comes off the 401. When they take the pavement and

774
00:54:11,828 --> 00:54:15,716
look for places to have that put. There will be

775
00:54:15,716 --> 00:54:19,836
tons and tons of material coming from the 401 when

776
00:54:19,836 --> 00:54:22,556
they redo it, so. We need to be ready for

777
00:54:22,556 --> 00:54:27,774
all that. When they start to do that work. It

778
00:54:27,774 --> 00:54:29,254
would be as simple as to go up there and

779
00:54:29,254 --> 00:54:31,494
pulverize, level it out, put a crown on the road,

780
00:54:31,494 --> 00:54:35,298
so at least the water can shed the road. That

781
00:54:35,298 --> 00:54:38,509
way, at least the water is working. The road is

782
00:54:38,509 --> 00:54:40,029
working a little bit better. Do we need to go

783
00:54:40,029 --> 00:54:43,551
in there and do a full on. Excavation in there

784
00:54:43,551 --> 00:54:46,631
now? No, we can stabilize it long enough that it's

785
00:54:46,631 --> 00:54:49,191
actually safer than what it really is, it'd be a

786
00:54:49,191 --> 00:54:53,943
matter of a couple of days. If that. And the

787
00:54:53,943 --> 00:54:56,783
other thing is with. Yes, with the pulverizers that I

788
00:54:56,783 --> 00:54:59,223
totally. Agree with what you say. Any of the equipment

789
00:54:59,223 --> 00:55:02,143
that we have bought as far as like for example,

790
00:55:02,143 --> 00:55:06,961
the Quad saw. That saw paid for itself. In a

791
00:55:06,961 --> 00:55:10,121
week. So now with some of this equipment that is

792
00:55:10,121 --> 00:55:12,201
paid for something, we use that. We're done using. I'd

793
00:55:12,201 --> 00:55:14,641
like the ability to be able to sell it and.

794
00:55:14,641 --> 00:55:18,321
Buy something like a small popularizer. We can go around

795
00:55:18,321 --> 00:55:20,601
and touch up some of these bad. Areas. Can we

796
00:55:20,601 --> 00:55:24,601
full on pulverize like the big ones do? No, because

797
00:55:24,601 --> 00:55:28,056
we would never. Get the depth. But in sections where

798
00:55:28,056 --> 00:55:31,136
we could go two inches in level at our roads,

799
00:55:31,136 --> 00:55:33,936
put a crown on them, get them working again. It

800
00:55:33,936 --> 00:55:38,798
would save this township huge. And as far as a

801
00:55:38,798 --> 00:55:42,558
pulvarizer, I have one price there last year with $30,000.

802
00:55:42,558 --> 00:55:45,958
It would have paid for itself already for the money

803
00:55:45,958 --> 00:55:50,718
we've spent on putting coal patch in that won't stabilize

804
00:55:50,718 --> 00:55:54,247
because it's impossible. When you put in coal pots, you

805
00:55:54,247 --> 00:55:59,523
need something to hold it there. And. I just need.

806
00:56:21,622 --> 00:56:25,284
Some of these things we can do are small. The

807
00:56:25,284 --> 00:56:28,447
grinder that we could have got was $30,000. Like the

808
00:56:28,447 --> 00:56:32,801
quad saw. For example. Some are old plows and stuff

809
00:56:32,801 --> 00:56:35,001
like that. Like we could get rid of the scrap

810
00:56:35,001 --> 00:56:38,160
metal. And stuff. To buy, but I need that support

811
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,800
from council to go ahead, move forward with that and

812
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:46,854
just make this happen. And I think. There's some other

813
00:56:46,854 --> 00:56:48,694
things that we could sell. Like we got to brush

814
00:56:48,694 --> 00:56:51,654
your head there. But a lot of these things, we

815
00:56:51,654 --> 00:56:56,091
could do it in house. And buy it through what

816
00:56:56,091 --> 00:57:00,971
we have. But a grinder is definitely something that. Would

817
00:57:00,971 --> 00:57:03,011
be a great option for us because we could do

818
00:57:03,011 --> 00:57:12,282
a lot with. It. Where are we at? Okay, so

819
00:57:12,282 --> 00:57:15,082
we'll do this motion in terms of what is proposed

820
00:57:15,082 --> 00:57:17,122
originally, and then Sandra is going to come back with

821
00:57:17,122 --> 00:57:24,786
another motion. To investigate. The big app drive. Okay, so

822
00:57:24,786 --> 00:57:28,246
this one is to approve. Do I have a mover?

823
00:57:28,246 --> 00:57:34,274
In a second. I'm sorry, ma'am. As far as the

824
00:57:34,274 --> 00:57:37,074
big opera, we can bring that into just maintenance and

825
00:57:37,074 --> 00:57:45,023
operations in our hard top maintenance budget. Grinding is. If

826
00:57:45,023 --> 00:57:47,623
we just had a bit extra money in our operation

827
00:57:47,623 --> 00:57:51,103
maintenance budget, we can do these things. So it doesn't

828
00:57:51,103 --> 00:57:56,166
need an issue paper. It's maintenance. But you have to

829
00:57:56,166 --> 00:58:03,755
put it somewhere. In mentioning it, that's all. And I

830
00:58:03,755 --> 00:58:07,614
agree. A department, as far as I'm concerned, has a

831
00:58:07,614 --> 00:58:11,162
budget, and they should be able to administer it. We

832
00:58:11,162 --> 00:58:15,085
can't be involved in absolutely every decision. And who's getting

833
00:58:15,085 --> 00:58:19,426
the weed whacker and who isn't. Really. This is a

834
00:58:19,426 --> 00:58:23,746
business. This is a corporation. But I think when you're

835
00:58:23,746 --> 00:58:28,813
asking for extra. Be it 50 or whatever. We need

836
00:58:28,813 --> 00:58:31,613
some justification, that's all, as we go through this. Budget.

837
00:58:33,295 --> 00:58:37,349
You're upping your budget. You're upping your budget, so we

838
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:39,589
want to know why it doesn't have to be a

839
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:43,266
detailed issue paper. Just come back and you're going to

840
00:58:43,266 --> 00:58:46,546
say, this much will give us so much ease. Of

841
00:58:46,546 --> 00:58:51,604
mind. We're not saying perfection, just ease of mind. Mindy

842
00:58:51,604 --> 00:58:54,404
Lane and for Orchard? For both. So this is not

843
00:58:54,404 --> 00:58:58,983
having an additional fixing onto it. This is not. Sander

844
00:58:58,983 --> 00:59:01,903
is going to make a second motion to have that

845
00:59:01,903 --> 00:59:05,669
brought back. Okay. All in favor of approval of this

846
00:59:05,669 --> 00:59:12,630
one? As it sits, as it stands. I answer?

847
00:59:17,892 --> 00:59:24,732
I Hamilton ice driver benigmund. Aye, martin, I resolution is

848
00:59:24,732 --> 00:59:29,532
approved. Sandra, would you like to. Now introduce. And then

849
00:59:29,532 --> 00:59:35,023
I would like to request. That the basic report is

850
00:59:35,023 --> 00:59:42,015
brought back. The additional request for the maybe lane concerns

851
00:59:42,015 --> 00:59:48,909
as well as options. Or options and budget costs. For

852
00:59:48,909 --> 00:59:56,161
orchard drive from 25 to apple entrance. And then. That's

853
00:59:56,161 --> 00:59:59,870
what. A motion will be. The comment is if you

854
00:59:59,870 --> 01:00:01,030
come back to us and say it's only going to

855
01:00:01,030 --> 01:00:03,990
be $10,000. And at that point, we can say that'll

856
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:06,150
be an issue paper. Or at that point we'll say

857
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:08,790
we'll increase the operation. We can make that decision at

858
01:00:08,790 --> 01:00:11,030
that time, but at least you have brought something back

859
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:15,719
to us. As council. The thing with doing up there

860
01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:18,039
is we'll actually use the material that's in. The road,

861
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:20,999
so I know that there's four or five inches out

862
01:00:20,999 --> 01:00:25,559
asphalt. So we'll reactivate that. So I'm quite confident that.

863
01:00:26,848 --> 01:00:32,260
It's basically, as I say, operational maintenance. And these are

864
01:00:32,260 --> 01:00:36,020
health and safety risks. And if we could somehow get

865
01:00:36,020 --> 01:00:38,860
a budget in place or. A line where we can

866
01:00:38,860 --> 01:00:44,341
address these issues. Without. Having to go to council and

867
01:00:44,341 --> 01:00:47,181
everything where I can act on these quickly and take

868
01:00:47,181 --> 01:00:48,981
care of them before they do cause a problem and

869
01:00:48,981 --> 01:00:52,869
cost us a lot of money. Thank you. I just

870
01:00:52,869 --> 01:00:56,389
remind you that the maybe lane one was already included

871
01:00:56,389 --> 01:00:59,789
in the resolution that we approved. Previously. You don't need

872
01:00:59,789 --> 01:01:05,899
a separate report, right? We didn't add it in, okay?

873
01:01:11,148 --> 01:01:18,878
Right on. Second scriber.

874
01:01:21,233 --> 01:01:29,446
All in favor? Aye, sir. I hamilton.

875
01:01:31,793 --> 01:01:40,269
Ice driver. Venegman. Aye. Martin, I. Approved. Moving on to

876
01:01:40,269 --> 01:01:46,189
environmental services. Eight DA environment zero, 125 water meter upgrades.

877
01:01:47,886 --> 01:01:50,286
Be it resolved, the council approve, deny or defer this

878
01:01:50,286 --> 01:01:55,806
budget request for $120,000. For the RF water meter upgrade

879
01:01:55,806 --> 01:01:59,788
to be funded through user fees and reserves. Could I

880
01:01:59,788 --> 01:02:04,992
be moving to secondary, please? Move to Arthur second Hamilton.

881
01:02:07,296 --> 01:02:13,047
Discussion. Counter tribal. I guess the only. And maybe Phil,

882
01:02:13,047 --> 01:02:14,687
you can speak to this or you, madam mayor. But

883
01:02:14,687 --> 01:02:17,487
this is a three year process, right, that we've been

884
01:02:17,487 --> 01:02:20,677
already started. Yes.

885
01:02:36,918 --> 01:02:44,491
User fees and reserves are funding this. Any further discussion.

886
01:02:46,694 --> 01:02:55,098
All in favor? I Hamilton ice driver. Benign.

887
01:02:57,808 --> 01:03:01,288
Martin I. That is carried. Does anybody want to break.

888
01:03:03,500 --> 01:03:12,218
Or keep plumbing. Okay. Eight db environment report 225. 2025

889
01:03:12,218 --> 01:03:15,858
water studies. Be it resolved, that council approved, deny or

890
01:03:15,858 --> 01:03:21,698
defer this budget request for $59,000 for water studies to

891
01:03:21,698 --> 01:03:24,538
be funded through user fees and reserves. Could I have

892
01:03:24,538 --> 01:03:30,281
a mover in a second, or please. Moved Hamilton. Second

893
01:03:30,281 --> 01:03:40,103
scriver. Any discussion. All in favor? I himilt ice

894
01:03:40,103 --> 01:03:47,423
driver, Bennegman. Aye, Martin, I. That's carried eight dc. Environment

895
01:03:47,423 --> 01:03:52,543
325 portable trash pump. Be it resolved that council approve,

896
01:03:52,543 --> 01:04:00,969
deny, or defer this. Budget request to fund $25,000 for

897
01:04:00,969 --> 01:04:05,449
the purchase of a portable trash pump for wastewater treatment

898
01:04:05,449 --> 01:04:09,609
plant funded through user fees and reserves. Could I be

899
01:04:09,609 --> 01:04:14,969
mover into second, or. Please. Aye. Hamilton, second. Van Eggman.

900
01:04:16,759 --> 01:04:24,205
Any discussion. Deputy mayor Arthur. And councilor Hamilton. Thank you.

901
01:04:24,205 --> 01:04:27,165
And if I may, through you to staff. And that

902
01:04:27,165 --> 01:04:31,285
is what is this new that we have or what

903
01:04:31,285 --> 01:04:34,605
has been happening in the past. I mean, $25,000 for

904
01:04:34,605 --> 01:04:37,525
something. That the plant's been operational for many years without.

905
01:04:37,525 --> 01:04:44,028
Why all of a sudden, do we need one. Okay,

906
01:04:44,028 --> 01:04:48,934
I can gladly speak to that. When the plant was

907
01:04:48,934 --> 01:04:54,499
put online. At that time. We have groundwater pumps that

908
01:04:54,499 --> 01:04:57,939
exist in and around a clarifier, aeration, everything, so. These

909
01:04:57,939 --> 01:05:03,059
groundwater pumps were never installed because the plant again, when

910
01:05:03,059 --> 01:05:05,859
it came time to commission it, it never got actually

911
01:05:05,859 --> 01:05:09,459
what needed done. So right now what we do is,

912
01:05:09,459 --> 01:05:13,167
if we have to dump the clarifier or aeration. We

913
01:05:13,167 --> 01:05:16,527
put a trash pump in there, and we go back

914
01:05:16,527 --> 01:05:18,807
every 4 hours and add gas to it. Sometimes it

915
01:05:18,807 --> 01:05:23,757
takes two days. To bring their groundwater around these tanks.

916
01:05:25,425 --> 01:05:28,865
To drain them down. Because what will happen is when

917
01:05:28,865 --> 01:05:31,305
the clarifier in your aeration is full and you don't

918
01:05:31,305 --> 01:05:34,385
have your groundwater taken away from around it as you

919
01:05:34,385 --> 01:05:36,745
empty that tank, it'll push it up out of the

920
01:05:36,745 --> 01:05:42,027
ground. So. It's very important to have the groundwater drain

921
01:05:42,027 --> 01:05:45,867
down below them. Tank levels in the bottom. So what

922
01:05:45,867 --> 01:05:49,629
we've been doing is using a trash pump. To suck

923
01:05:49,629 --> 01:05:52,429
down the groundwater. Keep it running, and we keep going

924
01:05:52,429 --> 01:05:54,989
back every 4 hours, fill it. With gas. But this

925
01:05:54,989 --> 01:05:58,549
year we have to dump our aeration and our clarifier.

926
01:05:58,549 --> 01:06:01,269
To do a major clean out. So when we do

927
01:06:01,269 --> 01:06:05,282
that, We have to rent a big pump so we

928
01:06:05,282 --> 01:06:08,802
can do it fast. Get everything back online quick. And

929
01:06:08,802 --> 01:06:11,562
last time we did, I think our pump rentals were

930
01:06:11,562 --> 01:06:14,242
between pump rentals and what? We had to do with

931
01:06:14,242 --> 01:06:19,442
Clinton sewer came into around $20,000. So my idea I

932
01:06:19,442 --> 01:06:22,162
said that at that time, next time we do this,

933
01:06:22,162 --> 01:06:24,926
we're going to have the. Equipment. We need to do

934
01:06:24,926 --> 01:06:29,078
this. Renting it out, and then we have that piece

935
01:06:29,078 --> 01:06:32,992
of equipment for. Future work that is necessary if you

936
01:06:32,992 --> 01:06:35,232
have to bypass the sewer or if we have to

937
01:06:35,232 --> 01:06:39,374
suck. Out a big hole or whatever. This is just

938
01:06:39,374 --> 01:06:41,494
the device that will allow us to do our work

939
01:06:41,494 --> 01:06:46,321
much easier, faster, and be very cost effective. Yeah, and

940
01:06:46,321 --> 01:06:48,801
it could be used anywhere, any department, in the rural

941
01:06:48,801 --> 01:06:55,405
end, urban end, parts and rec. It's just a matter

942
01:06:55,405 --> 01:06:59,255
of. It's a bigger trash pump faster. And has more

943
01:06:59,255 --> 01:07:04,346
economical through the process. Of the project. Up till now.

944
01:07:08,394 --> 01:07:09,794
We just kind of did what we had to do

945
01:07:09,794 --> 01:07:12,994
to keep things going, but at this point, we got

946
01:07:12,994 --> 01:07:16,914
some. In the future. We could also use it to

947
01:07:16,914 --> 01:07:20,338
dream one of our ponds, for example. Go from cell

948
01:07:20,338 --> 01:07:25,470
one to cell two. Or. Supernatant office. L. Two into

949
01:07:25,470 --> 01:07:29,564
one. It's something that would be two durabilities instead of

950
01:07:29,564 --> 01:07:35,961
renting. Yes. Thank you. As a follow up, So we

951
01:07:35,961 --> 01:07:38,041
say the groundwater pumps were never installed. So is that

952
01:07:38,041 --> 01:07:40,241
something we need to be looking at to get to

953
01:07:40,241 --> 01:07:43,321
fix at this point. And then the other is when

954
01:07:43,321 --> 01:07:46,284
we say that in the past. We've used someone like

955
01:07:46,284 --> 01:07:48,524
Quinnie Sewer. So Quinnie Sewer comes in with their big

956
01:07:48,524 --> 01:07:50,844
truck, obviously, and they're sucking it out. So even with

957
01:07:50,844 --> 01:07:53,524
this trash pump, you're. Still going to need the additional

958
01:07:53,524 --> 01:07:55,804
support of somebody else that when you're pumping that, it's

959
01:07:55,804 --> 01:07:58,724
going to wear. Right. So we're still going to have

960
01:07:58,724 --> 01:08:03,215
those additional costs, will we not? No, we won't. Because

961
01:08:03,215 --> 01:08:06,335
the depth of the clarifier and aeration tanks. Is. That's

962
01:08:06,335 --> 01:08:08,935
why we bring Quinnian to suck the bottom output when

963
01:08:08,935 --> 01:08:12,655
we get this. Pump. We can get right down in

964
01:08:12,655 --> 01:08:16,160
low with it. And have it so it'll suck it

965
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:20,960
right out and we can actually transfer it into. A

966
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,000
channel that will take it right out to our cell

967
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,820
to where our sludge is supposed. To be. You were

968
01:08:27,820 --> 01:08:35,309
mentioning. It can be used for other things. Can you

969
01:08:35,309 --> 01:08:38,535
help me? How would parks and rec use it, for

970
01:08:38,535 --> 01:08:42,255
example, or how would the fire department use it? Or

971
01:08:42,255 --> 01:08:48,168
whatever. I'm just naturally curious. Well, this is basically just

972
01:08:48,168 --> 01:08:51,048
a big trash pump that you can move high volumes

973
01:08:51,048 --> 01:08:55,608
of water, really. Fast, and that'll take sewage and chunk

974
01:08:55,608 --> 01:08:59,992
of stuff, and it's just a matter. Of. It's a

975
01:08:59,992 --> 01:09:07,683
four inch pump. That is designed. To pump higher volumes,

976
01:09:07,683 --> 01:09:09,723
but, yeah, like the fire department could use it. Parks

977
01:09:09,723 --> 01:09:14,003
and rack like it's. Fulfilling like a water truck. Tanks.

978
01:09:14,003 --> 01:09:18,823
We could have it set up. For multiple things. Here's

979
01:09:18,823 --> 01:09:22,720
where I'm coming from. We had, for example, a request

980
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:27,308
from the fire department coming up. We need. Better pumping

981
01:09:27,308 --> 01:09:36,177
capacity. Well, anyway, I'm just curious. Would it apply? It

982
01:09:36,177 --> 01:09:39,177
would apply in a lot of different areas. These things

983
01:09:39,177 --> 01:09:41,417
are used for a lot of things. But right now.

984
01:09:43,985 --> 01:09:46,876
It's something that. We could really utilize at the plant.

985
01:09:46,876 --> 01:09:49,436
Of course, we're going to still have Quinn to do

986
01:09:49,436 --> 01:09:53,609
cleaner grit channels and stuff like that. But. We don't

987
01:09:53,609 --> 01:09:55,569
have to have them sitting there for hours and hours

988
01:09:55,569 --> 01:09:58,489
and hours. We can do the major work ourselves. Get

989
01:09:58,489 --> 01:10:00,889
them back, they can suck out the bad spots in

990
01:10:00,889 --> 01:10:04,821
2 hours. Where they're not sitting there. The other pumps

991
01:10:04,821 --> 01:10:12,145
are plugging. It's so cost effective that. It can't be

992
01:10:12,145 --> 01:10:17,126
without it, really. And as far as groundwater pumps. They're

993
01:10:17,126 --> 01:10:19,726
against Sander. We might as well wait until we expand

994
01:10:19,726 --> 01:10:22,166
or whatever like we've. Gone this long with the groundwater

995
01:10:22,166 --> 01:10:27,426
pumps like that. We're talking probably $100,000. Put them in

996
01:10:27,426 --> 01:10:30,426
place, they'll get into your scada. It was never done.

997
01:10:32,192 --> 01:10:34,712
There's. The existing pumps are actually still in there, but

998
01:10:34,712 --> 01:10:37,312
the old pumps that were with the plant. They sat

999
01:10:37,312 --> 01:10:41,312
in there. But they're not hooked to disconnects or hooked.

1000
01:10:41,312 --> 01:10:45,620
To skater. They're not wired in properly. So this was

1001
01:10:45,620 --> 01:10:49,614
a problem. That goes way back. Twelve years ago, but

1002
01:10:49,614 --> 01:10:54,296
again, We just kept everything going. So just as one

1003
01:10:54,296 --> 01:10:57,576
quick follow up, the $20,000 you spoke of that that

1004
01:10:57,576 --> 01:11:00,656
cost. On the pumps for the rental and quinty, et

1005
01:11:00,656 --> 01:11:05,601
cetera. How often do we do this? Has this been

1006
01:11:05,601 --> 01:11:06,721
the first time in a number of years? Is this

1007
01:11:06,721 --> 01:11:10,891
something on an annual basis? Actually, we did it. I

1008
01:11:10,891 --> 01:11:12,931
think it was about four years ago. We dumped the

1009
01:11:12,931 --> 01:11:21,290
aeration because. You have to do more maintenance, and your

1010
01:11:21,290 --> 01:11:24,410
diffusers never even get plugged up. But it's something that

1011
01:11:24,410 --> 01:11:27,130
if we had the equipment, it would be routinely done,

1012
01:11:27,130 --> 01:11:30,210
probably every two years. So that you're cleaning out, because

1013
01:11:30,210 --> 01:11:32,970
if your diffusers get plugged up, then your aeration isn't

1014
01:11:32,970 --> 01:11:36,130
right and you can't treat the sewage rate, but so

1015
01:11:36,130 --> 01:11:39,269
if we had the equipment in place, yes. It would

1016
01:11:39,269 --> 01:11:41,629
be something that be done on a two year basis.

1017
01:11:50,008 --> 01:11:54,957
Anybody want to make a motion? Motion to approve.

1018
01:12:00,148 --> 01:12:07,233
Is there a seconder? Moved by Sherry and seconded by

1019
01:12:07,233 --> 01:12:14,690
Ed. Any further discussion? All in favor? Nay, Arthur.

1020
01:12:17,031 --> 01:12:24,595
I. Hamilton ice driver ben eggman. Aye, Martin, I that

1021
01:12:24,595 --> 01:12:30,663
is carried. Thank you. Eight e building services. Eight. Ea.

1022
01:12:31,558 --> 01:12:35,078
Intern inspector. Be it resolved that council approve, deny or

1023
01:12:35,078 --> 01:12:41,118
defer this budget request for an internship. Building inspector, funded

1024
01:12:41,118 --> 01:12:43,398
through taxation. Could I have a mover into second, or,

1025
01:12:43,398 --> 01:12:51,095
please? Moved Hamilton. Second scriber.

1026
01:12:54,183 --> 01:12:59,509
Discussion. Should solve himself, okay?

1027
01:13:05,167 --> 01:13:09,207
All in favor of having Nathan speak to this? Go

1028
01:13:09,207 --> 01:13:16,374
for it, Nathan, please. Madam and members of council. Sorry.

1029
01:13:16,374 --> 01:13:19,779
I've been in and out today. It's a good example

1030
01:13:19,779 --> 01:13:23,385
as to what we're speaking to today, actually. We are

1031
01:13:23,385 --> 01:13:28,035
short staffed at town hall. With our permanent administrator away.

1032
01:13:30,078 --> 01:13:34,118
So this issue paper before you is a request to

1033
01:13:34,118 --> 01:13:40,901
hire an intern inspector. The province of Ontario is struggling

1034
01:13:40,901 --> 01:13:46,824
to find qualified building officials. There is not a very

1035
01:13:46,824 --> 01:13:51,070
big hiring pool and. As you can see, if you

1036
01:13:51,070 --> 01:13:54,630
look at other municipalities, building officials are constantly moving around.

1037
01:13:56,177 --> 01:13:58,657
And again, the hiring pool is just not very good.

1038
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,840
So there is a provision in the Ontario building code

1039
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:06,360
to permit the hiring of an intern inspector. Who does

1040
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:09,720
not have the qualifications of a building official, but who

1041
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,320
can work under a building official. There are some restrictions

1042
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,780
to what they can do. And how long they can

1043
01:14:16,780 --> 01:14:19,140
stay on, which is outlined in the issue paper here.

1044
01:14:20,910 --> 01:14:26,550
And what it would help. With. Currently, the Ontario building

1045
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:30,310
code requires an inspection to be conducted within 24 hours.

1046
01:14:32,043 --> 01:14:34,323
48 hours. Pardon me of a request being put in.

1047
01:14:35,956 --> 01:14:40,876
In the past, cramming township has hired intram inspectors who

1048
01:14:40,876 --> 01:14:47,151
are on contract and can step in when needed. That

1049
01:14:47,151 --> 01:14:52,440
is expensive as well. And it doesn't really provide longevity

1050
01:14:52,440 --> 01:14:57,420
for the township. Should we ever need to expand. There

1051
01:14:57,420 --> 01:15:02,220
is a lot of upcoming projects, a lot of subdivisions

1052
01:15:02,220 --> 01:15:06,247
that we're trying to get. Prepared for. And having someone

1053
01:15:06,247 --> 01:15:10,207
on board who can assist in plans, review and inspections

1054
01:15:10,207 --> 01:15:13,910
of residential dwellings. Would be a huge asset to the

1055
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:17,666
building department. I'm welcome to any questions.

1056
01:15:24,677 --> 01:15:27,904
Of course you're going to get me on this. Anyways.

1057
01:15:29,877 --> 01:15:36,441
What is the advantage to. Having an intern to. An

1058
01:15:36,441 --> 01:15:42,973
actual building inspector. An intern. Would they not be continuously

1059
01:15:42,973 --> 01:15:47,228
upgrading to become an inspector? Which goes to my point.

1060
01:15:49,112 --> 01:15:52,152
I would like to get somebody on the ground floor

1061
01:15:52,152 --> 01:15:58,240
that builds. His. Reputation. Is on the way up. And

1062
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:03,274
maybe in two years we'll have another building inspector. Which

1063
01:16:03,274 --> 01:16:06,034
I know is needed because of all the extra building,

1064
01:16:06,034 --> 01:16:09,514
because the building specter of the time ten years ago.

1065
01:16:09,514 --> 01:16:11,234
Said it was needed and we didn't have all this

1066
01:16:11,234 --> 01:16:15,696
building going. On. This now seems like a part time.

1067
01:16:15,696 --> 01:16:24,261
Is this a part time? My first question. What is

1068
01:16:24,261 --> 01:16:32,699
the advantage to having. Someone without the owners. To maybe

1069
01:16:32,699 --> 01:16:35,939
have someone come here and stay with us if the

1070
01:16:35,939 --> 01:16:40,606
owners was in place. That could go to keeping him

1071
01:16:40,606 --> 01:16:43,723
here. Thank you.

1072
01:16:50,139 --> 01:16:58,865
Yes. Through you, Councilor Vanigman. So the part time question.

1073
01:16:58,865 --> 01:17:03,986
No, they wouldn't be part time. The restriction that. The

1074
01:17:03,986 --> 01:17:06,706
Ontario building code puts on an intern inspector is the

1075
01:17:06,706 --> 01:17:09,666
length of time that they can stay. Working under that

1076
01:17:09,666 --> 01:17:13,192
discipline, so. They don't want us to hire an intern

1077
01:17:13,192 --> 01:17:19,075
inspector and them to become stagnant. So it encourages them

1078
01:17:19,075 --> 01:17:22,755
to, yes, get their qualifications, pass their exams, to move

1079
01:17:22,755 --> 01:17:25,555
into a full time. Position. So as you're explaining, yes,

1080
01:17:25,555 --> 01:17:28,115
that is the goal, is that they would become a

1081
01:17:28,115 --> 01:17:32,475
full time. Well, sorry, saying full time. Full time, full

1082
01:17:32,475 --> 01:17:37,539
hours. The intern inspector is on full hours, but without

1083
01:17:37,539 --> 01:17:41,804
the limitation. Of the time frame of them having to

1084
01:17:41,804 --> 01:17:46,470
leave. So, yeah, that would be ideal for them to

1085
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:49,750
come on board the Omers portion, so I was speaking

1086
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:56,594
with our previous. Hr. When I prepared this issue paper.

1087
01:17:58,286 --> 01:18:01,932
Whether or not we pay them omers. I'm not totally

1088
01:18:01,932 --> 01:18:04,012
sure if we have to do that. Sorry, that's not

1089
01:18:04,012 --> 01:18:07,755
really. I think Rhub and I did have a discussion

1090
01:18:07,755 --> 01:18:09,195
about this, and she may be able to speak to

1091
01:18:09,195 --> 01:18:14,294
it. Thank you. Yeah. So the cost that's mentioned on

1092
01:18:14,294 --> 01:18:17,094
the issue paper, it says without Omars, because it's not

1093
01:18:17,094 --> 01:18:20,214
including the cost of omrs we have to provide with

1094
01:18:20,214 --> 01:18:22,654
them. With Omars because they're eligible for that, whether they're

1095
01:18:22,654 --> 01:18:26,294
full time or part. Time. Even part timers now are

1096
01:18:26,294 --> 01:18:31,180
eligible to participate in the pension program. So what this

1097
01:18:31,180 --> 01:18:33,700
issue paper is saying to us is that it's not

1098
01:18:33,700 --> 01:18:35,700
including the cost. So the cost in front of you

1099
01:18:35,700 --> 01:18:39,780
does not include the employer cost of paying Omars to

1100
01:18:39,780 --> 01:18:43,775
this employee. So the Omars would definitely then be applied.

1101
01:18:43,775 --> 01:18:46,015
And that's where I was going. I want the Omrs

1102
01:18:46,015 --> 01:18:52,285
to be attached to it. And if I may remar.

1103
01:18:56,851 --> 01:19:05,001
Remarry busy. And you will need to help with the

1104
01:19:05,001 --> 01:19:08,121
intern. What would he or she. Be able to do.

1105
01:19:08,121 --> 01:19:10,881
You still have to physically be the one that examines

1106
01:19:10,881 --> 01:19:15,162
everything. Goes on site, does the inspections, et cetera. And

1107
01:19:15,162 --> 01:19:17,922
under the program, the interns, they get the orientation. They

1108
01:19:17,922 --> 01:19:21,042
get this, they get that, but to me, at the

1109
01:19:21,042 --> 01:19:22,642
moment, it's going to take more of your time in

1110
01:19:22,642 --> 01:19:25,242
the training, which I think is still great, and maybe

1111
01:19:25,242 --> 01:19:27,682
the individual will stay. But on the same side, I

1112
01:19:27,682 --> 01:19:33,662
believe this route versus maybe another plan. Planning firm shared

1113
01:19:33,662 --> 01:19:37,302
municipal services within wherever that we might be able to

1114
01:19:37,302 --> 01:19:41,077
bring somebody on is another option. This one. It's great.

1115
01:19:41,077 --> 01:19:42,997
And if the interns don't get the opportunity, how? Do

1116
01:19:42,997 --> 01:19:44,997
they grow? So this is good for crammy, but on

1117
01:19:44,997 --> 01:19:46,997
the same side, I don't know where it's helping you.

1118
01:19:48,556 --> 01:19:52,516
Thank you. Yes, Madam Mayor. Yet that is something I

1119
01:19:52,516 --> 01:19:54,996
definitely considered. It is going to be an investment in

1120
01:19:54,996 --> 01:19:58,236
my time. They are permitted to do inspections without me.

1121
01:20:01,831 --> 01:20:05,812
But I would be reviewing the reports. And making sure

1122
01:20:05,812 --> 01:20:12,510
that everything. Is proceeding properly. I can accompany them on

1123
01:20:12,510 --> 01:20:16,270
the occasional inspection, and I definitely would be doing that

1124
01:20:16,270 --> 01:20:24,071
at the beginning. So the construction industry. And all trades,

1125
01:20:24,071 --> 01:20:30,256
for that matter. Education is through apprenticeship. And it is

1126
01:20:30,256 --> 01:20:32,936
known that when you hire an apprentice, you are going

1127
01:20:32,936 --> 01:20:36,095
to be investing time in that individual. And I mean,

1128
01:20:36,095 --> 01:20:38,175
that is, I think I mentioned it in my issue

1129
01:20:38,175 --> 01:20:41,535
paper. That is obviously a risk is we are investing

1130
01:20:41,535 --> 01:20:47,785
my time. And other resources. In this individual who. Could

1131
01:20:47,785 --> 01:20:50,800
find their work elsewhere. But that goes with any of

1132
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:54,789
our staff. So, yeah, it is a mentorship and it

1133
01:20:54,789 --> 01:21:00,427
is an apprenticeship that. Will be an investment, but. It

1134
01:21:00,427 --> 01:21:04,027
will permit me to take a holiday without having to.

1135
01:21:05,532 --> 01:21:10,603
Worry about having coverage as well as. Again with the

1136
01:21:10,603 --> 01:21:13,883
upcoming subdivisions. It's just having another body is going to

1137
01:21:13,883 --> 01:21:16,643
be a huge asset. I hope that answered your question.

1138
01:21:18,451 --> 01:21:21,211
Nathan. They would come in with a minimum. They would

1139
01:21:21,211 --> 01:21:26,114
come in with the building envelope, would they? Not. So

1140
01:21:26,114 --> 01:21:28,794
I would have to refresh my memory. I believe I

1141
01:21:28,794 --> 01:21:33,912
may have mentioned it here. We would want them to

1142
01:21:33,912 --> 01:21:39,691
have. Their legal. So, to obtain a BCin, you do

1143
01:21:39,691 --> 01:21:45,656
require to pass one exam. And the BCN. Sorry, the

1144
01:21:45,656 --> 01:21:48,896
building code identification number, which all building officials and designers

1145
01:21:48,896 --> 01:21:52,978
have. You would have to pass one exam, which would

1146
01:21:52,978 --> 01:21:57,849
be the legal. And that would be the starting point.

1147
01:21:57,849 --> 01:22:00,089
So, yeah, there is going to be a barrier of

1148
01:22:00,089 --> 01:22:03,819
entry. For that. Yeah, I guess through you, Madam Mayor.

1149
01:22:03,819 --> 01:22:06,259
So, Nathan, very thoughtful report, and I appreciate you putting

1150
01:22:06,259 --> 01:22:13,570
it. Together and. It's nice to see the province being

1151
01:22:13,570 --> 01:22:17,698
proactive and trying. To get some more people trained up

1152
01:22:17,698 --> 01:22:21,664
for this service. I'm just curious. And I know we've

1153
01:22:21,664 --> 01:22:23,944
got some subdivisions approved that we're going to see houses.

1154
01:22:23,944 --> 01:22:26,424
Being built. But am I correct to say in 24,

1155
01:22:26,424 --> 01:22:28,544
we saw a pretty big decline in the number of

1156
01:22:28,544 --> 01:22:32,696
building permits we issued. Yes, three. Madam Mayor, I was

1157
01:22:32,696 --> 01:22:38,857
actually prepared. To give you some numbers. As you've probably

1158
01:22:38,857 --> 01:22:45,250
seen in our building reports. In 2021. We accepted 158

1159
01:22:45,250 --> 01:22:51,194
permits. And then going through the years, 157 permits, 125

1160
01:22:51,194 --> 01:22:57,437
permits. And then last year, we accepted 114 permits. Covid

1161
01:22:57,437 --> 01:23:00,797
obviously boosted those numbers because everyone stayed home and put

1162
01:23:00,797 --> 01:23:08,481
an addition on their home or renovated a bathroom. But

1163
01:23:08,481 --> 01:23:11,761
last year, I think the economy took a pretty big

1164
01:23:11,761 --> 01:23:16,559
hit and interest rates were quite high. We do see

1165
01:23:16,559 --> 01:23:21,524
an uptick already. We have east fields starting up. Which

1166
01:23:21,524 --> 01:23:26,912
I just issued. Victoria and I just issued. Eight building

1167
01:23:26,912 --> 01:23:31,303
permits this morning. So. They are going to come very

1168
01:23:31,303 --> 01:23:34,476
fast. So I guess where I struggle is, if the

1169
01:23:34,476 --> 01:23:40,634
demand is there. How does it not offset the fees

1170
01:23:40,634 --> 01:23:45,736
associated with hiring a new employee? So. Should the building

1171
01:23:45,736 --> 01:23:49,690
department be sort of neutral in terms of. The money

1172
01:23:49,690 --> 01:23:52,650
it brings in covers most of its fees or most

1173
01:23:52,650 --> 01:23:59,302
of its costs. Sorry. Yeah. Through you, Madam Mayor. Yes,

1174
01:23:59,302 --> 01:24:04,392
that's quite a possibility. I don't recall what I projected

1175
01:24:04,392 --> 01:24:09,464
for our fees to be this year. But, yeah, I

1176
01:24:09,464 --> 01:24:12,763
did project an uptick. I don't know if the complete

1177
01:24:12,763 --> 01:24:17,331
cost would cover the complete wages of this individual. But

1178
01:24:17,331 --> 01:24:20,331
we would be able to cover some of that for

1179
01:24:20,331 --> 01:24:29,000
sure. Rhub. Ain't be better to speak to that. I

1180
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,480
believe what we're referring to is the revenue coming in

1181
01:24:31,480 --> 01:24:33,960
from the building permits, so. It was budgeted for $170,000,

1182
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:39,280
and it is budgeted at 200,000. But there is a

1183
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:45,379
legislation. Within. I can't recall the actual legislation for the

1184
01:24:45,379 --> 01:24:48,979
building, but it means any excess revenue. Coming into the

1185
01:24:48,979 --> 01:24:51,379
building needs to flow into their building reserves at the

1186
01:24:51,379 --> 01:24:54,822
end of the year. So this position was most likely

1187
01:24:54,822 --> 01:25:04,190
be funded through taxation. You met a marriage members of

1188
01:25:04,190 --> 01:25:10,287
council. I think it's also prudent to point out that

1189
01:25:10,287 --> 01:25:15,368
the years that you're. Stating that there was. A higher

1190
01:25:15,368 --> 01:25:18,408
number of building permits. We actually did have two people

1191
01:25:18,408 --> 01:25:22,374
in those departments from 2021 up. So it wasn't just

1192
01:25:22,374 --> 01:25:25,494
functioning with one as such, as yourself. So there is

1193
01:25:25,494 --> 01:25:27,654
a difference. That even though there's a decline of 20

1194
01:25:27,654 --> 01:25:31,309
permits, That you're still only operating at, at one person,

1195
01:25:31,309 --> 01:25:33,509
as opposed to the dual rule that was supported there.

1196
01:25:35,418 --> 01:25:38,498
I would also like to point out that earlier on

1197
01:25:38,498 --> 01:25:42,308
in the budget process, You deferred a support for the

1198
01:25:42,308 --> 01:25:46,388
fire chief? My recommendation, and it's completely up. To council.

1199
01:25:46,388 --> 01:25:49,468
Before you deny or approve that, maybe you defer this

1200
01:25:49,468 --> 01:25:53,537
one. And on whatever date we decide today to come

1201
01:25:53,537 --> 01:25:56,657
back for the operations, we will be going in. Camera

1202
01:25:56,657 --> 01:26:01,817
to discuss the structuring of the township and positions therein

1203
01:26:01,817 --> 01:26:03,297
and the reason that will be in camera is because

1204
01:26:03,297 --> 01:26:06,657
we will be speaking to specific positions already that are

1205
01:26:06,657 --> 01:26:11,990
in house. That we have. And identified individuals. So it

1206
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:14,390
could be a time that we could discuss multiple options

1207
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:18,782
on what is being asked and questioned. May I?

1208
01:26:24,810 --> 01:26:26,770
Thank you, Madam Mayor, just a quick question about that.

1209
01:26:30,598 --> 01:26:32,038
And this? You may or may not be able to

1210
01:26:32,038 --> 01:26:37,887
answer me, Haldi. Do you see overlap? In a position

1211
01:26:37,887 --> 01:26:44,145
between the building department and. Fire services. No, I'm just

1212
01:26:44,145 --> 01:26:46,785
stating that I think we need to look at the

1213
01:26:46,785 --> 01:26:50,425
current structure of. What we have. Part time position, full

1214
01:26:50,425 --> 01:26:52,305
time positions. We need to look at what we can

1215
01:26:52,305 --> 01:26:59,219
utilize. In house how that could work. But because we're

1216
01:26:59,219 --> 01:27:02,419
speaking to certain individuals positions, then we can't discuss that

1217
01:27:02,419 --> 01:27:11,469
in open. Through you, Madam Mayor. To Holly. I'm just

1218
01:27:11,469 --> 01:27:16,918
curious, historically. Mr. Butwell was our previous inspector, and there

1219
01:27:16,918 --> 01:27:19,558
was two folks in the role previously, and I'm just

1220
01:27:19,558 --> 01:27:23,707
curious. Why there was a business decision made to only

1221
01:27:23,707 --> 01:27:26,605
move to one at one point or. How did the

1222
01:27:26,605 --> 01:27:31,201
second role deteriorate? Through you, Madam mayor, to members of

1223
01:27:31,201 --> 01:27:37,940
council. I'm going to weasel through this one.

1224
01:27:41,387 --> 01:27:46,447
It is my understanding. In being in positions here, that

1225
01:27:46,447 --> 01:27:49,367
it had been a supported position, because maybe not necessarily

1226
01:27:49,367 --> 01:27:51,847
the people being hired were at full capacity of being

1227
01:27:51,847 --> 01:27:55,127
a building official, so they needed support from other building.

1228
01:27:55,127 --> 01:27:58,127
Officials to get their training in to bring them forward,

1229
01:27:58,127 --> 01:28:00,287
but was always shared in a dual role. There was

1230
01:28:00,287 --> 01:28:03,287
a lot of permits that were not closed, so they

1231
01:28:03,287 --> 01:28:04,906
had to be brought up. And it was just too

1232
01:28:04,906 --> 01:28:07,306
much of a workload to be put on, too. That's

1233
01:28:07,306 --> 01:28:09,466
still an ongoing process that I know Nathan deals with

1234
01:28:09,466 --> 01:28:13,783
currently. When don. Our previous CBO came in, it was

1235
01:28:13,783 --> 01:28:16,983
just him, but he was given the additional support of.

1236
01:28:16,983 --> 01:28:19,743
The admin assistant on the front desk, which we do

1237
01:28:19,743 --> 01:28:22,463
have, which did alleviate some of that. But we did

1238
01:28:22,463 --> 01:28:26,743
also have to have Ken Anders come in and support

1239
01:28:26,743 --> 01:28:29,863
as well. So there is always been a support in

1240
01:28:29,863 --> 01:28:36,716
some sort. To that department. Yeah, that's super helpful. I'm

1241
01:28:36,716 --> 01:28:40,932
happy to defer this and see. What you guys pull

1242
01:28:40,932 --> 01:28:43,132
together and get your thinking on it, I will say.

1243
01:28:45,864 --> 01:28:50,590
Personally. I maintain we're in an economic environment where it's

1244
01:28:50,590 --> 01:28:53,310
very difficult to add staff. Regardless of whether or not

1245
01:28:53,310 --> 01:28:56,190
their interns are part time or full time. And I

1246
01:28:56,190 --> 01:29:02,304
just remind council. Our. Initial budget didn't include. The proposed

1247
01:29:02,304 --> 01:29:06,710
levy didn't include any staff. So any staff increases would

1248
01:29:06,710 --> 01:29:09,030
be in addition to what the draft budget looked like

1249
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:11,110
originally. So anyway. That's just my thinking on it, but

1250
01:29:11,110 --> 01:29:14,430
I'm certainly happy to defer and understand what the broader

1251
01:29:14,430 --> 01:29:16,190
thinking is because it would be interesting to see that.

1252
01:29:18,111 --> 01:29:20,871
Sorry I turned on my way. Thank you, madam Mayor.

1253
01:29:25,209 --> 01:29:28,299
I would second. The motion to defer for all of

1254
01:29:28,299 --> 01:29:31,943
the reasons that council Scriber is deciding, I think. A

1255
01:29:31,943 --> 01:29:35,663
more fulsome discussion around how we're stopping and where the

1256
01:29:35,663 --> 01:29:38,783
needs are. It's very clear that our planning and building

1257
01:29:38,783 --> 01:29:44,613
department has become. A very busy place. Have a mover

1258
01:29:44,613 --> 01:29:50,653
in a second or any further discussion. I'm sorry.

1259
01:29:56,262 --> 01:30:04,015
All in favor? Aye, Arthur. I Hamilton I scriber.

1260
01:30:05,978 --> 01:30:08,738
Voting nay only because I don't think it should be

1261
01:30:08,738 --> 01:30:12,178
deferred. I think this is a known position, and the

1262
01:30:12,178 --> 01:30:15,058
problem is not going to go away by deferring it.

1263
01:30:15,058 --> 01:30:18,900
For a couple of days and having. Another look at

1264
01:30:18,900 --> 01:30:23,724
it. I support the brewing till the 29th. Thank you.

1265
01:30:26,238 --> 01:30:33,146
Recess. Short recess. Coffee and tea are over here. We

1266
01:30:33,146 --> 01:30:37,232
need a motion to have a break, please. Move to

1267
01:30:37,232 --> 01:30:42,747
break. Second, Hamilton. All in favor?

1268
01:30:49,801 --> 01:30:50,561
Recording stopped.

1269
01:44:36,859 --> 01:44:37,619
Recording in progress.

1270
01:44:52,855 --> 01:44:52,895
Okay.

1271
01:45:17,214 --> 01:45:25,344
But we're missing one, counselor. Shall we? Shall we resume?

1272
01:45:28,714 --> 01:45:35,544
Next one is grant application. Applications. So nine a is

1273
01:45:35,544 --> 01:45:39,681
Crammy Hill cemetery. The amount requested is 540.

1274
01:45:46,805 --> 01:45:51,229
So we have one, two, three. Cemeteries. Do you want

1275
01:45:51,229 --> 01:45:54,335
to do them all at once? They are all asking

1276
01:45:54,335 --> 01:46:03,190
for $540. And that is. For Grammy Hill Cemetery, Shiloh

1277
01:46:03,190 --> 01:46:08,261
Cemetery, and wait Cemetery. The resolution, be it resolved, that

1278
01:46:08,261 --> 01:46:12,181
council approved, deny or deferred these budget requests in the

1279
01:46:12,181 --> 01:46:18,495
amount of $540. For Cremy Hill cemetery, Shiloh cemetery and

1280
01:46:18,495 --> 01:46:23,131
wait cemetery? Could I be mover into seconder? Please. Motion

1281
01:46:23,131 --> 01:46:31,417
to approve. Second scriver. Is there any discussion? Do you

1282
01:46:31,417 --> 01:46:32,257
want to wait or do you want to.

1283
01:46:44,381 --> 01:46:49,710
Deputy mayor Arthur, please. Thank you. Just back, we had

1284
01:46:49,710 --> 01:46:53,450
a conversation. In regard. I think it was the issue

1285
01:46:53,450 --> 01:46:55,850
papers for the cemetery, software and different things. We were

1286
01:46:55,850 --> 01:46:59,721
talking about? Did we not say that there was a

1287
01:46:59,721 --> 01:47:02,161
possibility of us not even doing this, that this should?

1288
01:47:02,161 --> 01:47:05,361
Be something that should be cost amongst the cemetery boards

1289
01:47:05,361 --> 01:47:10,961
themselves that they need to. Look at this. Did we

1290
01:47:10,961 --> 01:47:13,761
not kind of have a brief discussion? A brief discussion

1291
01:47:13,761 --> 01:47:19,732
amongst us? That. I get it and I understand. But

1292
01:47:19,732 --> 01:47:21,932
again, it's something that we need to look at as

1293
01:47:21,932 --> 01:47:26,208
well as the council. Is that board not charging enough?

1294
01:47:26,208 --> 01:47:31,263
When the burials come? Are these all filled up cemeteries

1295
01:47:31,263 --> 01:47:33,263
now that there would be no additional income coming in?

1296
01:47:33,263 --> 01:47:34,863
Is this. What we're doing. I don't want to be

1297
01:47:34,863 --> 01:47:37,543
the negative person here, but we need to try and

1298
01:47:37,543 --> 01:47:40,839
break things up. Three. You, madam mayor, to deputy mayor

1299
01:47:40,839 --> 01:47:48,725
Arthur. They're private cemeteries. We have no sanction or governing

1300
01:47:48,725 --> 01:47:50,885
over them. So how they use their money, how they

1301
01:47:50,885 --> 01:47:53,645
charge their fees, what they do. I can guarantee if

1302
01:47:53,645 --> 01:47:56,445
ours is outdated, theirs. Is most likely outdated and the

1303
01:47:56,445 --> 01:48:00,862
process to update your fees. Is quite Oneis and I

1304
01:48:00,862 --> 01:48:03,102
know that we're going through it. I have no problem.

1305
01:48:03,102 --> 01:48:04,942
Reaching out to every one of them. When we do,

1306
01:48:04,942 --> 01:48:07,302
increase our fees and bring our bylaws. Forward if we

1307
01:48:07,302 --> 01:48:10,022
can assist and support them in any way to do

1308
01:48:10,022 --> 01:48:14,080
so. Or help them with any type of information or

1309
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:18,687
supports that way. Sorry for being late, but coming into

1310
01:48:18,687 --> 01:48:25,813
this. All the cemetery boards are asking for the insurance

1311
01:48:25,813 --> 01:48:31,536
cost, period. If they cannot have the insurance costs, guess

1312
01:48:31,536 --> 01:48:36,112
what? We're going to get them. Because. It's above what

1313
01:48:36,112 --> 01:48:38,672
the cost to them is. And when they had to

1314
01:48:38,672 --> 01:48:44,123
get insurance in that came back. Six, seven years ago.

1315
01:48:44,123 --> 01:48:46,043
They all had to get insurance, and that was to

1316
01:48:46,043 --> 01:48:50,483
the tune of $540. And that's the ask for, I

1317
01:48:50,483 --> 01:48:56,267
believe, every one of them. Is. The insurance cost. For

1318
01:48:56,267 --> 01:49:06,219
all three, okay? And I agree. Other

1319
01:49:06,219 --> 01:49:09,339
than the Cranberry Hill cemetery, they have theirs identified. I

1320
01:49:09,339 --> 01:49:12,099
know the request is only 540, but on their expense

1321
01:49:12,099 --> 01:49:14,739
sheet, it's one $200 where the other two are both

1322
01:49:14,739 --> 01:49:21,087
540. I get it, and I don't want to take

1323
01:49:21,087 --> 01:49:25,816
anything away. And know we as the municipality do not

1324
01:49:25,816 --> 01:49:29,533
have to get these cemeteries back and. Be even a

1325
01:49:29,533 --> 01:49:31,893
higher cost than what we're currently or what that would

1326
01:49:31,893 --> 01:49:41,800
be. Okay, I'll check that. So shriver. Yeah.

1327
01:49:43,575 --> 01:49:49,018
I agree. And 540. Is relatively modest, but just. As.

1328
01:49:50,780 --> 01:49:58,450
You guys continue to update the township. Operated cemeteries and

1329
01:49:58,450 --> 01:50:00,410
this money goes out, it might be worth having a

1330
01:50:00,410 --> 01:50:05,147
discussion with them just around. How we're approaching rates and

1331
01:50:05,147 --> 01:50:12,364
the idea. Of. Checks and credits balancing. But having said

1332
01:50:12,364 --> 01:50:18,270
that, I think it's a modest investment. Compared to what

1333
01:50:18,270 --> 01:50:27,883
the alternative would be. Any further discussion. All in favor?

1334
01:50:29,740 --> 01:50:39,519
Aye, Arthur. I Hamilton ice driver. Benigmund. Aye, Martin, I.

1335
01:50:39,519 --> 01:50:48,832
Resolution is carried. 9d colton street repairs. The resolution reads,

1336
01:50:48,832 --> 01:50:51,192
be it resolved, that council approved and I deferred this

1337
01:50:51,192 --> 01:50:55,912
budget request in the amount of $1,500 for the 103

1338
01:50:55,912 --> 01:50:59,112
Colton street ratepayers. Could I move her into second, or

1339
01:50:59,112 --> 01:51:07,938
please. Move, van eggman. Second scriber. And so we have

1340
01:51:07,938 --> 01:51:11,738
a list of these private roads and their requests for

1341
01:51:11,738 --> 01:51:18,249
grants. And I think. Holly, would you like to speak

1342
01:51:18,249 --> 01:51:21,930
to this? Not to put you on the spot. Okay.

1343
01:51:24,506 --> 01:51:27,764
Sorry. Thank you. Do you want this one? Three, Madam

1344
01:51:27,764 --> 01:51:30,324
mayor, two members of council. We did have a meeting

1345
01:51:30,324 --> 01:51:36,822
with the public or, sorry, private. Roads owners. There was

1346
01:51:36,822 --> 01:51:40,222
quite a few in attendance. Councilor Scriber as well as

1347
01:51:40,222 --> 01:51:44,662
councilor van Eggman. Attended. The meeting, I felt, went very

1348
01:51:44,662 --> 01:51:47,702
well in terms of the message that we were relaying.

1349
01:51:50,181 --> 01:51:54,904
We did have. Legal in support as well as. Dave

1350
01:51:54,904 --> 01:51:59,295
McGlennan from insurance to help answer questions or concerns. The

1351
01:51:59,295 --> 01:52:04,069
bottom line is that they are private roads. So it

1352
01:52:04,069 --> 01:52:06,309
was a private meeting because they own their roads. It

1353
01:52:06,309 --> 01:52:08,789
belongs to them. It's not the municipality. We have no

1354
01:52:08,789 --> 01:52:11,029
sanction, we have no way to govern. It is nothing

1355
01:52:11,029 --> 01:52:14,109
within. Our control. They are private. They're owned by the

1356
01:52:14,109 --> 01:52:17,789
landowners that are adjoined to those roads. So it was

1357
01:52:17,789 --> 01:52:21,429
more of a support in terms of moving forward. It's

1358
01:52:21,429 --> 01:52:25,573
just. That we have no say over. Your road. And

1359
01:52:25,573 --> 01:52:27,373
as far as the funding goes, that's completely up to

1360
01:52:27,373 --> 01:52:30,133
council, whether you support or you don't support, we can

1361
01:52:30,133 --> 01:52:31,653
go on. What you've done in the past and. What

1362
01:52:31,653 --> 01:52:35,069
you haven't and all those wonderful things. But basically it

1363
01:52:35,069 --> 01:52:37,429
comes down to as private road owners, they need to

1364
01:52:37,429 --> 01:52:41,069
form committees, they need to form committees that adhere to

1365
01:52:41,069 --> 01:52:44,229
insurance, that adhere to their liabilities, and all those wonderful

1366
01:52:44,229 --> 01:52:48,040
things that come with owning a private road. If and

1367
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:50,880
when it ever became part of a conversation for the

1368
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:53,160
municipality to take over a private road. That's a whole

1369
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:56,200
other conversation in itself that we did not steer into.

1370
01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:58,520
But as it stands. We just wanted everybody to be

1371
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:01,880
on the same plane, field and to the same hearing.

1372
01:53:01,880 --> 01:53:04,400
The same thing, which is you own a private road

1373
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:06,400
and it is yours, so it's. Your due diligence to

1374
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:09,002
maintain it. It is your. Due diligence to bring it

1375
01:53:09,002 --> 01:53:11,242
up to whatever standard needs to be in order to

1376
01:53:11,242 --> 01:53:15,030
get. Any type of health and safety there, whether it

1377
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:18,418
be Ms. or fire or all of those things. And

1378
01:53:18,418 --> 01:53:21,658
we don't touch your road. I'm sure that councilor Scriber

1379
01:53:21,658 --> 01:53:23,658
can. Add to that as well as Ed van Eggman,

1380
01:53:23,658 --> 01:53:26,298
and let them see what their opinion or Endor. Thoughts

1381
01:53:26,298 --> 01:53:29,978
on that arc? I'd like to concur with Holly on

1382
01:53:29,978 --> 01:53:32,698
most of the stuff. There is a formula in place.

1383
01:53:37,901 --> 01:53:40,981
I'm not sure where that formula is, but it does

1384
01:53:40,981 --> 01:53:45,421
lower some of these asks the formula should be adhered

1385
01:53:45,421 --> 01:53:48,541
to. But these people pay for the rest of the

1386
01:53:48,541 --> 01:53:51,940
roads that are in the township also. It's not just

1387
01:53:51,940 --> 01:53:54,980
their own road. They pay for their other roads in

1388
01:53:54,980 --> 01:53:58,740
their taxes. They are asking for. Most of these are

1389
01:53:58,740 --> 01:54:03,741
asking for the amount that the formula allows them. So

1390
01:54:03,741 --> 01:54:06,021
I'm not sure if planning would have that formula or.

1391
01:54:06,021 --> 01:54:08,741
I'm not sure. If the treasurer has that formula, but.

1392
01:54:10,271 --> 01:54:15,161
It goes to kilometers number of houses. And there was

1393
01:54:15,161 --> 01:54:19,897
one other thing, but anyway. They are all okay with

1394
01:54:19,897 --> 01:54:24,557
having the board? Most of them have the board. There's

1395
01:54:24,557 --> 01:54:29,742
not always full attendance at those meetings. But. Our main

1396
01:54:29,742 --> 01:54:36,173
concern at the last. Year's thing was that we would

1397
01:54:36,173 --> 01:54:43,979
be liable for these roads. Insurance and legal said. We

1398
01:54:43,979 --> 01:54:47,379
are not held to a higher degree of liability just

1399
01:54:47,379 --> 01:54:49,179
because we are funding them. And I want to make

1400
01:54:49,179 --> 01:54:55,116
that clear. These people. Are looking just the same thing

1401
01:54:55,116 --> 01:54:58,636
as the township gets the rest of the people that

1402
01:54:58,636 --> 01:55:02,356
live on. Public roads. They are just looking for that

1403
01:55:02,356 --> 01:55:06,506
same amount. That amount. That they are set out in

1404
01:55:06,506 --> 01:55:09,106
the formula, and most of these have done that. There

1405
01:55:09,106 --> 01:55:11,226
are a couple of these roads that have gone over

1406
01:55:11,226 --> 01:55:14,546
and above, and I don't understand why. And I think

1407
01:55:14,546 --> 01:55:16,346
some of it has to do because their funding was

1408
01:55:16,346 --> 01:55:20,324
cut last year. So as a counselor, I just like

1409
01:55:20,324 --> 01:55:23,404
to say the formula needs to be adhered to. If

1410
01:55:23,404 --> 01:55:26,699
there's something extra. That they need that needs to be

1411
01:55:26,699 --> 01:55:32,709
spelled out, but. It should be administered with the yearly

1412
01:55:32,709 --> 01:55:39,011
cola added. And that's my stand on it. Three. You,

1413
01:55:39,011 --> 01:55:42,051
Madam mayor, two members of council, and specifically councilor van

1414
01:55:42,051 --> 01:55:45,051
Eggman. There's no formula in minutes. So this is a

1415
01:55:45,051 --> 01:55:47,251
formula that I think was agreed upon in a handshake.

1416
01:55:47,251 --> 01:55:50,171
Or somewhere or whatever that they just sort of passed

1417
01:55:50,171 --> 01:55:52,571
through. We have nothing and have found nothing and a

1418
01:55:52,571 --> 01:55:54,731
record to stand. True that it's an agreement or an

1419
01:55:54,731 --> 01:56:00,970
approval of. Counsel to the formula that this would be

1420
01:56:00,970 --> 01:56:04,386
moving forward and this is how it would go. So

1421
01:56:04,386 --> 01:56:07,506
in lack there of that, if that's what you're going

1422
01:56:07,506 --> 01:56:09,466
on, I would like that on record in minutes, if

1423
01:56:09,466 --> 01:56:12,980
that's how you're going to formulate. How? You're going to

1424
01:56:12,980 --> 01:56:16,100
hand out funding towards these roads, depending on which way

1425
01:56:16,100 --> 01:56:17,780
that goes, just. So that we do have it on

1426
01:56:17,780 --> 01:56:23,900
record. Yeah. So through you, Madam mayor, to members account.

1427
01:56:23,900 --> 01:56:28,660
So. I think just to reiterate Ed's point, the one

1428
01:56:28,660 --> 01:56:32,037
thing that. 's quite clear now. That was less clear.

1429
01:56:32,037 --> 01:56:35,397
Last year was liability. There's no concern for anyone on

1430
01:56:35,397 --> 01:56:40,157
this council to believe that we hold any liability from

1431
01:56:40,157 --> 01:56:42,877
an insurance or from a legal perspective, both those parties

1432
01:56:42,877 --> 01:56:46,197
agreed that the road owners were solely the ones responsible

1433
01:56:46,197 --> 01:56:50,724
for any accidents. Or liabilities that take place on. Their

1434
01:56:50,724 --> 01:56:54,771
property. And what was, I guess, reiterated in the meeting

1435
01:56:54,771 --> 01:56:57,771
is that it's up to this council. To approve a

1436
01:56:57,771 --> 01:57:00,891
grant on any given year. So the ball is certainly

1437
01:57:00,891 --> 01:57:02,451
in our court in terms of how we want to

1438
01:57:02,451 --> 01:57:07,099
proceed with private roads. I'd be curious because to me,

1439
01:57:07,099 --> 01:57:09,259
I was looking at, because if we look at these,

1440
01:57:09,259 --> 01:57:15,190
five. And there's a couple of them on their balance

1441
01:57:15,190 --> 01:57:18,150
sheet that are contributing. Reddick Road. The residents of Reddick

1442
01:57:18,150 --> 01:57:21,270
Road and the residents of Trinir are both throwing in

1443
01:57:21,270 --> 01:57:25,470
over $1,000 to their private roads, and the other three,

1444
01:57:25,470 --> 01:57:28,470
according to their balance sheets, are not and that's greatly

1445
01:57:28,470 --> 01:57:32,047
reducing the amount that they're asking for. And I don't

1446
01:57:32,047 --> 01:57:34,727
mind meeting in the middle somewhere. I'd like to see

1447
01:57:34,727 --> 01:57:40,748
the residents contributing, and I don't mind. The township. In

1448
01:57:40,748 --> 01:57:43,188
principle, if we found the right mechanism to do something

1449
01:57:43,188 --> 01:57:46,617
similar. And I was thinking. About a formula in my

1450
01:57:46,617 --> 01:57:49,057
head, and if I look at what people have asked

1451
01:57:49,057 --> 01:57:52,057
for and I was wondering again. I'm just making up

1452
01:57:52,057 --> 01:57:55,787
ideas here. I have no idea. In absence of the

1453
01:57:55,787 --> 01:57:58,667
actual formula or whatever was used originally. But we've got

1454
01:57:58,667 --> 01:58:02,307
some of these roads with. They're all relatively short, between

1455
01:58:02,307 --> 01:58:06,832
500 meters, I'd say, in a kilometer. And, for example,

1456
01:58:06,832 --> 01:58:11,381
you could consider doing. $4,000 a kilometer and making it

1457
01:58:11,381 --> 01:58:14,461
prorated based on if you were half a kilometer, then

1458
01:58:14,461 --> 01:58:16,621
you got $2,000. If you were a kilometer, you got

1459
01:58:16,621 --> 01:58:21,661
$4,000. And doing it just based on distance, for example.

1460
01:58:21,661 --> 01:58:24,341
But as it stands, I just find it we've got

1461
01:58:24,341 --> 01:58:26,221
a couple of roads that are contributing and that's bringing

1462
01:58:26,221 --> 01:58:29,448
down their ask, and it's kind of. Unfair to you.

1463
01:58:29,448 --> 01:58:31,248
See a couple that are coming to the table and

1464
01:58:31,248 --> 01:58:33,488
all throwing in some money. And the other three are

1465
01:58:33,488 --> 01:58:37,457
not. To me, it does make sense to have a

1466
01:58:37,457 --> 01:58:39,577
bit of. If we do proceed to fund these. In

1467
01:58:39,577 --> 01:58:41,377
any way, it does make sense to have a formula

1468
01:58:41,377 --> 01:58:50,107
to bring a bit of consistency to it. And thank

1469
01:58:50,107 --> 01:58:54,187
you. So if there was a formula, and God forbid

1470
01:58:54,187 --> 01:58:57,107
we've been discussing this. For years. I am sure somebody

1471
01:58:57,107 --> 01:59:00,307
must have it. And if we, as council and staff

1472
01:59:00,307 --> 01:59:02,587
and whoever. Don't have it. I'm sure somebody from one

1473
01:59:02,587 --> 01:59:04,707
of these roads committees must have. It and bring it

1474
01:59:04,707 --> 01:59:06,707
forward to throw it in our face, not in a

1475
01:59:06,707 --> 01:59:11,813
negative way. But, I mean, here's the formula, right? So

1476
01:59:11,813 --> 01:59:14,693
that we have it, we're saying, no. They're saying yes,

1477
01:59:14,693 --> 01:59:17,413
and they provided it. We can't find it, but nobody's.

1478
01:59:17,413 --> 01:59:19,973
Brought that forward, so I can't see there being one,

1479
01:59:19,973 --> 01:59:22,053
and maybe it was only a verbal discussion way back

1480
01:59:22,053 --> 01:59:26,685
in the day. I don't remember that. But again, giving

1481
01:59:26,685 --> 01:59:30,785
money. Where. So the very first one we have is

1482
01:59:30,785 --> 01:59:33,985
Colton. The street repairs. I mean, they've given us a

1483
01:59:33,985 --> 01:59:36,425
summary on the back that they paid for snow plowing.

1484
01:59:36,425 --> 01:59:38,905
They paid for this? How do I know, as a

1485
01:59:38,905 --> 01:59:41,345
counselor, before I give money for the next year, that

1486
01:59:41,345 --> 01:59:43,745
they did? That there's no backup. I'm not saying that

1487
01:59:43,745 --> 01:59:45,505
we need to waste paper that. They have to provide

1488
01:59:45,505 --> 01:59:47,985
the copy. But if we're giving out money and not

1489
01:59:47,985 --> 01:59:52,368
seeing anything. Done. That's not where I want to be

1490
01:59:52,368 --> 01:59:55,248
for the other taxpayers of the municipality either, so. There's

1491
01:59:55,248 --> 02:00:00,870
got to be some responsibility here on everybody. Just my

1492
02:00:00,870 --> 02:00:05,395
quick thought. As for my department, the roads, I've been

1493
02:00:05,395 --> 02:00:08,515
involved with these private roads numerous times and there is

1494
02:00:08,515 --> 02:00:15,544
a formula. I have seen it. And we actually went

1495
02:00:15,544 --> 02:00:21,349
by it for numerous years. So if you want. I

1496
02:00:21,349 --> 02:00:24,469
can probably find that formula somewhere because I have actually

1497
02:00:24,469 --> 02:00:26,989
witnessed it with my own eyes, so. It is there

1498
02:00:26,989 --> 02:00:31,982
somewhere, because. We've went by on loads of travel and

1499
02:00:31,982 --> 02:00:35,182
how we were to move forward with these. Private roads.

1500
02:00:35,182 --> 02:00:38,342
So I've been involved with it before, and I've actually

1501
02:00:38,342 --> 02:00:42,142
seen something. In writing, which stated how this was to

1502
02:00:42,142 --> 02:00:47,790
be planned out. So. I can definitely look into where

1503
02:00:47,790 --> 02:00:51,176
it is or how I could find it. Thank you,

1504
02:00:51,176 --> 02:00:58,286
Madam Mayor. I think everybody. Well, maybe everybody doesn't remember.

1505
02:00:58,286 --> 02:01:01,995
I was quite shocked when I first realized that. Municipal

1506
02:01:01,995 --> 02:01:06,671
taxpayers are funding private roads. And I still can't get

1507
02:01:06,671 --> 02:01:10,747
my head around that. So, if I may, I would

1508
02:01:10,747 --> 02:01:16,192
like to defer all this. For the private roads until

1509
02:01:16,192 --> 02:01:18,352
we receive the formula. If Phil's able to bring that

1510
02:01:18,352 --> 02:01:21,851
back. To our next meeting. Okay. Is that a motion?

1511
02:01:26,164 --> 02:01:31,173
The motion on the floor is. This one, and then.

1512
02:01:34,160 --> 02:01:38,504
So, do you want to defer, then? Make it a

1513
02:01:38,504 --> 02:01:46,195
deferral. We get this formula?

1514
02:01:51,496 --> 02:01:54,576
If we find the formula, and I know it's out

1515
02:01:54,576 --> 02:01:57,616
there because I helped write it. So it is out

1516
02:01:57,616 --> 02:02:01,496
there somewhere. And the roads. People had to sign it

1517
02:02:01,496 --> 02:02:04,816
to agree to what? The township brought to them in

1518
02:02:04,816 --> 02:02:07,736
the early days, they would be able to get gravel

1519
02:02:07,736 --> 02:02:10,456
at the gravel pit, and we cut that out already.

1520
02:02:11,651 --> 02:02:13,371
If that has to go back in that they get

1521
02:02:13,371 --> 02:02:15,651
free gravel, maybe it's going to cost us more in

1522
02:02:15,651 --> 02:02:21,495
the end, too. So I would be okay with the

1523
02:02:21,495 --> 02:02:29,787
deferral. Till. We get? Whatever agreement it is. And maybe

1524
02:02:29,787 --> 02:02:34,873
some of the ratepayer roads. The private roads people, they

1525
02:02:34,873 --> 02:02:37,273
might have that formula with them because they all come

1526
02:02:37,273 --> 02:02:40,993
up with different ideas here, different numbers. And so there

1527
02:02:40,993 --> 02:02:45,755
is a formula somewhere that we have to have. Seconds.

1528
02:02:45,755 --> 02:02:54,402
Driver. All in favor? Aye, Arthur. Nay, Hamilton.

1529
02:02:55,947 --> 02:03:03,281
Ice driver. Vinigmund? Aye. Martin? Nay. Resolution is carried.

1530
02:03:15,680 --> 02:03:18,240
So, if I may, I will put a motion forward

1531
02:03:18,240 --> 02:03:21,560
that the balance of the grant applications for. 2025 being

1532
02:03:21,560 --> 02:03:30,353
McDonald Road, Reddick Road, Strawberry Lane repairs, Trina Road. Are

1533
02:03:30,353 --> 02:03:33,393
deferred to our next meeting so that we can research

1534
02:03:33,393 --> 02:03:35,593
the formula, so that we know what we need to

1535
02:03:35,593 --> 02:03:43,769
do moving forward on these projects. Second scriber any further

1536
02:03:43,769 --> 02:03:50,097
discussion. The question. What meeting are we talking about? Our

1537
02:03:50,097 --> 02:03:55,445
council meeting or our next budget meeting? Our next budget

1538
02:03:55,445 --> 02:04:02,057
meeting. Has that date finally been determined? Because I'm not

1539
02:04:02,057 --> 02:04:06,294
going to follow all the female lines. That's what I

1540
02:04:06,294 --> 02:04:12,909
thought. All in favor? Aye, Arthur.

1541
02:04:14,822 --> 02:04:22,666
Nahilton ice driver Benningman. Martin? Nay. And the resolution is

1542
02:04:22,666 --> 02:04:28,400
carry to deferred. Nine I Castleton Sports Club. The amount

1543
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:33,259
requested is $4,600. Resolution reads, be it resolved, that council

1544
02:04:33,259 --> 02:04:35,819
approved deny, defer this budget request in the amount of

1545
02:04:35,819 --> 02:04:40,099
$4,600 to the Castleton Sports Club. Could I have a

1546
02:04:40,099 --> 02:04:44,804
mover in a second or please. Move, van eggman. Second,

1547
02:04:44,804 --> 02:04:52,143
Hamilton. Any discussion. Deputy Merrith thank you. And again, just

1548
02:04:52,143 --> 02:04:55,343
for accountability, there's not really a breakdown of what the

1549
02:04:55,343 --> 02:05:02,477
costs are that they're looking for. It says for operations,

1550
02:05:02,477 --> 02:05:06,809
this and that. But if there's. A broader breakdown of

1551
02:05:06,809 --> 02:05:08,809
what we could do. I would like to see before

1552
02:05:08,809 --> 02:05:11,943
we go. Three, Madam Mayor to members of council and,

1553
02:05:11,943 --> 02:05:14,583
I believe, Janet. Are you still sitting on the committee?

1554
02:05:14,583 --> 02:05:16,943
For the sports club because every year that I had

1555
02:05:16,943 --> 02:05:20,303
sat on the committee, they asked for the property tax.

1556
02:05:20,303 --> 02:05:27,251
That's what the money was funded for. Was to cover

1557
02:05:27,251 --> 02:05:33,700
the property taxes. Of the sports field. I can look

1558
02:05:33,700 --> 02:05:35,380
into the taxation part. I would just like to point

1559
02:05:35,380 --> 02:05:38,540
out that they're. Requesting $3,000 of grant and then one

1560
02:05:38,540 --> 02:05:43,020
$600 for in kind use of the Castleton town hall,

1561
02:05:43,020 --> 02:05:45,660
so it's 3000 in the grand. There's also the additional

1562
02:05:45,660 --> 02:05:48,260
1600 and I can look at the taxes right now

1563
02:05:48,260 --> 02:05:57,687
as we discussing this. Thank you. I also just want

1564
02:05:57,687 --> 02:06:00,727
to say that the Castleton sports club is used by

1565
02:06:00,727 --> 02:06:02,527
so many and it's a great thing to the community,

1566
02:06:02,527 --> 02:06:04,807
and by all means, I'm not trying. To take anything

1567
02:06:04,807 --> 02:06:14,388
away. I'm only asking for accountability. I'm

1568
02:06:14,388 --> 02:06:17,308
surprised that this is the only ask they have, actually,

1569
02:06:17,308 --> 02:06:21,628
Sandra, because if you went down there and realized all

1570
02:06:21,628 --> 02:06:29,771
the things that those people did down there. For basically

1571
02:06:29,771 --> 02:06:33,571
just a taxation portion and in kind use which really

1572
02:06:33,571 --> 02:06:41,058
costs us nothing. At the castleton town hall. Golly. We

1573
02:06:41,058 --> 02:06:47,794
just gave. A whole shitload. To downtown here on things

1574
02:06:47,794 --> 02:06:50,194
that weren't even needed. And here we're going to question

1575
02:06:50,194 --> 02:06:59,781
this. I don't agree. Are we very far away from

1576
02:06:59,781 --> 02:07:05,020
tax? Yes, I'm still looking for that. Sorry.

1577
02:07:26,545 --> 02:07:28,145
It's on the floor for approval. I'm putting it to

1578
02:07:28,145 --> 02:07:36,711
the vote. All in. Favor. I answer? I. Hamilton Ice

1579
02:07:36,711 --> 02:07:44,091
driver vanigman. Martin. I it is carried. Colburn curling club.

1580
02:07:46,103 --> 02:07:52,705
Yes, sure. Sorry. The taxes for the Castleton Sports Club

1581
02:07:52,705 --> 02:08:02,358
for 2024 were $3,107. Good. Okay. Nine J the.

1582
02:08:03,914 --> 02:08:07,314
Culvert Curling Club. Resolution reads, be it resolved, the council

1583
02:08:07,314 --> 02:08:10,674
approved. Deny or defer this. Budget request in the amount

1584
02:08:10,674 --> 02:08:14,154
of $5,000 to the Colbert Curling Club. Could I be

1585
02:08:14,154 --> 02:08:22,334
mover in a second, or please. Move, Scrabber. Second, Hamilton.

1586
02:08:25,929 --> 02:08:31,835
Discussion. Yes, Councilor Schriver. Yeah, I'm curious to get other

1587
02:08:31,835 --> 02:08:37,323
counselors opinion on. This. I know. They've got some more

1588
02:08:37,323 --> 02:08:39,283
activities taking place there at the curling center now, but

1589
02:08:39,283 --> 02:08:41,083
I believe the last couple of years, they've asked for

1590
02:08:41,083 --> 02:08:47,180
the five and we've given them. The 2500. So another

1591
02:08:47,180 --> 02:08:50,020
super valuable member of the community, and it's wonderful that

1592
02:08:50,020 --> 02:08:55,475
they manage. This facility themselves. But just am curious to

1593
02:08:55,475 --> 02:08:59,380
get other folks thoughts on it as well. Councilor hamilton.

1594
02:09:02,689 --> 02:09:06,960
Thank you, Madam Mayor. Yes. The Coburn Curling Club has

1595
02:09:06,960 --> 02:09:10,200
managed to turn that facility into a year round user

1596
02:09:10,200 --> 02:09:15,299
facility by offering it to the pickleball club. In the

1597
02:09:15,299 --> 02:09:20,191
summer months. So I do think it's valuable. We wouldn't

1598
02:09:20,191 --> 02:09:24,151
have pickleball in Colburn or Crammy if it weren't. For

1599
02:09:24,151 --> 02:09:26,631
the fact that they had the foresight to do that.

1600
02:09:33,602 --> 02:09:38,022
Personally. I'll go over the 2500, but I will not

1601
02:09:38,022 --> 02:09:41,378
go for the 5000. This is another group that asked

1602
02:09:41,378 --> 02:09:44,938
for their taxation in the beginning, and I believe that

1603
02:09:44,938 --> 02:09:48,258
that was 2500 at that time, and that's what we

1604
02:09:48,258 --> 02:09:55,909
gave them. I'm with Mandy. 5000 is too high. Do

1605
02:09:55,909 --> 02:09:58,749
you want to speak, Sandra? Yeah. Deputy Mayor Arthur and

1606
02:09:58,749 --> 02:10:00,389
I agree with what both of you. Are saying. The

1607
02:10:00,389 --> 02:10:02,589
other thing that I see in here is that they

1608
02:10:02,589 --> 02:10:06,029
wanted extra. They had a major dehumidifier purchased last year.

1609
02:10:06,029 --> 02:10:08,349
Well, yet in the financial documents, I don't. See it.

1610
02:10:12,574 --> 02:10:16,055
So I'll stay with the 2500. So we need a

1611
02:10:16,055 --> 02:10:22,169
motion, and I can't make it. Joel and Sherry, do

1612
02:10:22,169 --> 02:10:29,081
you agree to the 25. Okay. All in favor? Aye,

1613
02:10:29,081 --> 02:10:38,555
Arthur. I himut ice driver Benigmund I. Martin, I approved

1614
02:10:38,555 --> 02:10:44,991
for 2500. Community care, Northumberland. Amount requested, $14,000. Be it

1615
02:10:44,991 --> 02:10:47,871
resolved, that council approved and I defer. This budget request

1616
02:10:47,871 --> 02:10:52,809
in the amount of 14,000. To community care North Amberland.

1617
02:10:52,809 --> 02:10:54,489
Could I be mover in a second, or. Please, for

1618
02:10:54,489 --> 02:11:04,364
discussion. I moved to approve. Second scriber. And.

1619
02:11:06,550 --> 02:11:08,550
If we could just elaborate what it's for, just so

1620
02:11:08,550 --> 02:11:15,097
people know we're not. Silver plating, anything. So community care

1621
02:11:15,097 --> 02:11:18,657
provides programs such as meals and wheels, wellness programs in

1622
02:11:18,657 --> 02:11:23,977
home services, broken worker, ruler transit and specialized transportation in

1623
02:11:23,977 --> 02:11:28,623
our area for the township. Are we still administering that?

1624
02:11:34,053 --> 02:11:38,940
Yes. I've been trying to get other municipalities, and I've

1625
02:11:38,940 --> 02:11:43,420
been communication with community care. To try and have another

1626
02:11:43,420 --> 02:11:46,460
township take over because that was the director from the

1627
02:11:46,460 --> 02:11:49,620
council. We haven't been able to do that, really, and

1628
02:11:49,620 --> 02:11:51,980
it's mainly because it's been really busy, so I will

1629
02:11:51,980 --> 02:11:53,660
take the blame for that. I haven't had a chance

1630
02:11:53,660 --> 02:11:55,580
to. Reach out to the treasurer at the county, but

1631
02:11:55,580 --> 02:11:58,102
I will be for a year. 2020. Five, we will

1632
02:11:58,102 --> 02:12:01,215
see an agreement coming to council. To sign for the

1633
02:12:01,215 --> 02:12:04,255
funding, so we'll be doing that just for up until

1634
02:12:04,255 --> 02:12:08,701
2024. And hopefully 2025, someone else can take over. Thank

1635
02:12:08,701 --> 02:12:11,061
you, Rubb. I know this is taken. As you said,

1636
02:12:11,061 --> 02:12:12,701
it's taken a lot. Of your time and Crammy has

1637
02:12:12,701 --> 02:12:17,932
had it for quite some time. Do we have a

1638
02:12:17,932 --> 02:12:20,292
ballpark? How many hours that is on an annual basis.

1639
02:12:21,738 --> 02:12:23,738
Is this something that if they were contributing, the other

1640
02:12:23,738 --> 02:12:26,898
municipalities were contributing to us? Could we keep it knowing

1641
02:12:26,898 --> 02:12:30,538
that we're getting some assistance back financially? Or is this

1642
02:12:30,538 --> 02:12:33,018
something that. How difficult? Would it be to transfer from

1643
02:12:33,018 --> 02:12:35,098
crammy? This year, Brighton. Next year, the next one, the

1644
02:12:35,098 --> 02:12:37,298
next year. Is that a lot of confusion for when

1645
02:12:37,298 --> 02:12:40,898
the funding applications come where we know it? But let's

1646
02:12:40,898 --> 02:12:45,497
get help. With it. Unfortunately, it just sits very low

1647
02:12:45,497 --> 02:12:50,783
on the priority list here because. We've been really busy

1648
02:12:50,783 --> 02:12:53,623
and we are the smallest township with the lowest staff

1649
02:12:53,623 --> 02:12:56,823
in the finance department in the north of veronan county,

1650
02:12:56,823 --> 02:12:59,063
so that definitely puts a strain on that, but I

1651
02:12:59,063 --> 02:13:02,732
think. There's a lot of paperwork involved. I don't believe

1652
02:13:02,732 --> 02:13:04,132
we can be in a situation where it can be

1653
02:13:04,132 --> 02:13:08,292
transferred to each township every year. I was talking to

1654
02:13:08,292 --> 02:13:10,892
the province on this, and they suggested the county takeover.

1655
02:13:12,795 --> 02:13:16,008
And. That was just last week. That was as recent

1656
02:13:16,008 --> 02:13:18,408
as last week, so I've yet to contact the treasurer

1657
02:13:18,408 --> 02:13:25,344
at the county and see what the hepatitis. Yes. Ruba.

1658
02:13:26,710 --> 02:13:30,830
If I'm not totally wrong, most of this is funded

1659
02:13:30,830 --> 02:13:34,963
from the gas tax that we receive. For this operation?

1660
02:13:34,963 --> 02:13:38,043
And is this our share or is this the total

1661
02:13:38,043 --> 02:13:42,584
amount that all the communities. Are we paying this because.

1662
02:13:43,935 --> 02:13:47,945
We get the gas tax refund? No. So the province

1663
02:13:47,945 --> 02:13:50,425
provides funding, and all we're doing is we're signing the

1664
02:13:50,425 --> 02:13:53,425
agreement. We're passing the bylaw because they can directly provide

1665
02:13:53,425 --> 02:13:56,265
the funding to the community. Care. So we act as

1666
02:13:56,265 --> 02:13:58,345
the medium for that. So we received the funding and

1667
02:13:58,345 --> 02:14:00,145
then we pass. It on to them. So that funding

1668
02:14:00,145 --> 02:14:03,517
is separate from what we're approving today. This is our

1669
02:14:03,517 --> 02:14:07,757
contribution as crammy towards community care for providing the specialized

1670
02:14:07,757 --> 02:14:11,893
transit. In addition to whatever funds that they get. In

1671
02:14:11,893 --> 02:14:14,253
transit gas tax from the province and each member of

1672
02:14:14,253 --> 02:14:17,973
municipality. So other townships and even the county, if I

1673
02:14:17,973 --> 02:14:21,293
remember correctly, also contributes to this. And that's what we

1674
02:14:21,293 --> 02:14:25,100
report to MTO. At the end of the year. So

1675
02:14:25,100 --> 02:14:28,939
do we. Handle everything coming from the government as a

1676
02:14:28,939 --> 02:14:32,579
grant or a refund or whatever it is, and. Then

1677
02:14:32,579 --> 02:14:39,598
we dole out checks to each individual. Municipality. So we

1678
02:14:39,598 --> 02:14:41,678
received the funding from the province and we give it

1679
02:14:41,678 --> 02:14:43,958
to community care. So it's. An in and out for

1680
02:14:43,958 --> 02:14:48,255
us. However, I would just like it noted that they

1681
02:14:48,255 --> 02:14:51,335
are not always on their toes and they suddenly demand

1682
02:14:51,335 --> 02:14:54,215
things within three days because they have a deadline to

1683
02:14:54,215 --> 02:14:57,375
file for their tax purposes or whatever. And that throws

1684
02:14:57,375 --> 02:15:00,175
us into the loop. Whatever. And we have been on

1685
02:15:00,175 --> 02:15:03,295
notice for five years now. That we have done this.

1686
02:15:06,105 --> 02:15:08,865
For over ten, if not 15. And it's time that

1687
02:15:08,865 --> 02:15:13,823
other municipalities stepped up and took it. I might also

1688
02:15:13,823 --> 02:15:18,103
add that community care has greatly expanded, greatly expanded in

1689
02:15:18,103 --> 02:15:21,623
terms of what they qualify. Et cetera. They have Ed's

1690
02:15:21,623 --> 02:15:26,289
house, for example. They have all kinds of other outreach

1691
02:15:26,289 --> 02:15:31,682
programs now. And many more staff members than us. And

1692
02:15:31,682 --> 02:15:34,442
I think this does need to be reviewed and give

1693
02:15:34,442 --> 02:15:39,242
it back to the province or to the county. They

1694
02:15:39,242 --> 02:15:43,224
keep dumping this stuff down the line. And it's time.

1695
02:15:43,224 --> 02:15:47,230
Like, we have lines here now and. Need to hold

1696
02:15:47,230 --> 02:15:51,895
them because they're not giving us any grants. Time out.

1697
02:15:53,751 --> 02:15:57,821
Yeah. So do you think that we should be paying

1698
02:15:57,821 --> 02:16:02,381
$14,000 given that they've closed our office here in Colburn.

1699
02:16:02,381 --> 02:16:05,661
That's my question. Because we're not getting the service that

1700
02:16:05,661 --> 02:16:07,541
we used to have. There is no community care office

1701
02:16:07,541 --> 02:16:15,772
here in town anymore. But they stop. Yes, and transportation

1702
02:16:15,772 --> 02:16:17,772
and so on. But all I'm saying is that we

1703
02:16:17,772 --> 02:16:23,030
are not. Getting the services we used to get. In

1704
02:16:23,030 --> 02:16:29,374
terms of. Equipment. Borrowing equipment. For walkers and all that

1705
02:16:29,374 --> 02:16:35,306
stuff. And yes, they do. Meals on wheels, which is

1706
02:16:35,306 --> 02:16:38,226
great, twice a week, et cetera. Absolutely. I support that

1707
02:16:38,226 --> 02:16:41,306
program. Or whatever, but we do not have the contact.

1708
02:16:41,306 --> 02:16:44,586
For example, people calling in, for example, yesterday asking for

1709
02:16:44,586 --> 02:16:48,506
help with snow removal, and they're used to administer a

1710
02:16:48,506 --> 02:16:53,149
list of volunteers and services for our local. Well, now

1711
02:16:53,149 --> 02:16:55,309
you have to call through to Brighton and nobody seems

1712
02:16:55,309 --> 02:16:58,490
to know anything. And where is colburn anyway. And whatever.

1713
02:17:00,572 --> 02:17:02,612
Yeah. So this is the first time I'm hearing this.

1714
02:17:02,612 --> 02:17:06,059
I was not aware of that. I could reach out

1715
02:17:06,059 --> 02:17:08,979
to community care and ask for clarification on the levels

1716
02:17:08,979 --> 02:17:10,979
of service. That has been provided in the township before

1717
02:17:10,979 --> 02:17:15,647
we approve this. And Sandra, you talk about accountability and

1718
02:17:15,647 --> 02:17:18,407
knowing and having. I'd like to see what are you

1719
02:17:18,407 --> 02:17:23,441
giving us? What are you giving us? And they're a

1720
02:17:23,441 --> 02:17:27,041
great organization. No problem. But we have to account for

1721
02:17:27,041 --> 02:17:32,788
everything. We're not getting reports, we're not getting updates. With

1722
02:17:32,788 --> 02:17:35,108
community care. And if it is money in, money out.

1723
02:17:39,611 --> 02:17:42,611
Then the accountability is probably sent somewhere, maybe not to

1724
02:17:42,611 --> 02:17:46,891
this municipality. And so if that's being done, then? Yes.

1725
02:17:46,891 --> 02:17:50,434
I'd like to see the paperwork, but. If it's not

1726
02:17:50,434 --> 02:17:54,007
coming out of taxation. So I just like to clarify

1727
02:17:54,007 --> 02:17:57,327
that. So this 14,000 is coming out of taxation because.

1728
02:17:57,327 --> 02:18:00,367
That is our personal contribution as the township towards the

1729
02:18:00,367 --> 02:18:03,007
community care. So what I do with the province for

1730
02:18:03,007 --> 02:18:05,007
them is the funding that they get from the province.

1731
02:18:05,007 --> 02:18:07,607
So that's separate. So maybe they get 50,000 from the

1732
02:18:07,607 --> 02:18:13,399
province each year we receive that fund, and then. We

1733
02:18:13,399 --> 02:18:14,999
send them a check for that funding. But then this

1734
02:18:14,999 --> 02:18:17,999
is in addition to the 50 that they already received

1735
02:18:17,999 --> 02:18:21,879
from the province and other municipalities also provide these grants

1736
02:18:21,879 --> 02:18:24,359
to community care because of the services that they provide

1737
02:18:24,359 --> 02:18:27,839
in addition to the gas tax funding. So this 14,000

1738
02:18:27,839 --> 02:18:31,640
will be funded through taxation on our end. Having heard

1739
02:18:31,640 --> 02:18:33,960
that, then I would put it out to the rest

1740
02:18:33,960 --> 02:18:40,497
of municipalities that have community care. That. Our allotment will

1741
02:18:40,497 --> 02:18:44,537
decrease, so theirs will have to increase because we're doing

1742
02:18:44,537 --> 02:18:47,777
all the work. And you know what? It's longer than

1743
02:18:47,777 --> 02:18:51,177
five years, Mandy. It's before. You were on council because

1744
02:18:51,177 --> 02:18:54,057
we were already then saying we were putting too much

1745
02:18:54,057 --> 02:18:56,977
time into this. And I'm sure it was ten years

1746
02:18:56,977 --> 02:18:59,711
ago that this. Came up that this was supposed to

1747
02:18:59,711 --> 02:19:02,551
have been switched and nothing on our staff. Our staff

1748
02:19:02,551 --> 02:19:07,045
is. Doing it all. But if that's the case, then

1749
02:19:07,045 --> 02:19:08,645
the rest of them are going to have to pay.

1750
02:19:08,645 --> 02:19:10,645
A little bit more because we're doing all the legwork.

1751
02:19:12,171 --> 02:19:14,811
We're under no obligation like this is a grant, so

1752
02:19:14,811 --> 02:19:19,089
the approval is entirely up to. Council's decision. Thank you,

1753
02:19:19,089 --> 02:19:27,120
Madam Mary. Having heard much of this information for the

1754
02:19:27,120 --> 02:19:31,028
first time today. I have questions about the level of

1755
02:19:31,028 --> 02:19:35,605
service as well. Before. We would just kind of check

1756
02:19:35,605 --> 02:19:38,858
for 14 grand. So I think we need to know.

1757
02:19:40,470 --> 02:19:49,469
What is happening in our community. And traditionally. It was

1758
02:19:49,469 --> 02:19:53,389
in the 10,000 mark or somewhere, if not less. So

1759
02:19:53,389 --> 02:19:55,229
I don't. Know, if we defer this, we're going to

1760
02:19:55,229 --> 02:19:57,989
have a long list of deferrals. For the next meeting.

1761
02:19:57,989 --> 02:20:04,111
And here we go again. So. I would suggest, let's

1762
02:20:04,111 --> 02:20:07,088
just make it 10,000. And you come and see us.

1763
02:20:08,910 --> 02:20:15,494
And then we can explain. It. Sorry, came back on

1764
02:20:15,494 --> 02:20:20,362
without asking. I still have questions about levels of service,

1765
02:20:20,362 --> 02:20:24,362
whether it's 10,000 or 14,000 if they've closed their office

1766
02:20:24,362 --> 02:20:28,282
in our municipality. And we've got residents who normally would

1767
02:20:28,282 --> 02:20:31,042
have relied on being able to get out of their

1768
02:20:31,042 --> 02:20:35,562
house by calling community care for the list of volunteers.

1769
02:20:37,034 --> 02:20:40,718
What are we still getting? I have that question. Still.

1770
02:20:42,128 --> 02:20:45,808
Councilor Shriver. Council. And any councilor Ben Eggman. And also

1771
02:20:45,808 --> 02:20:51,710
it's pointed out. It's attached. The services that they say

1772
02:20:51,710 --> 02:20:56,426
they provide. Right in the issue paper. But we're short

1773
02:20:56,426 --> 02:21:01,453
on detail. Okay, let's go. Who was next? Through you,

1774
02:21:01,453 --> 02:21:04,093
madam, maybe to rub into members of council. So they

1775
02:21:04,093 --> 02:21:06,733
had a pretty thorough application and. It looks like they've

1776
02:21:06,733 --> 02:21:14,627
got 76,000. From the gas tax. But outside of the

1777
02:21:14,627 --> 02:21:17,427
crammy line item, which is the first one, they got

1778
02:21:17,427 --> 02:21:20,629
another grant. For 20 grand. So is there just one

1779
02:21:20,629 --> 02:21:25,493
other township supporting them? I'd be curious to know. What

1780
02:21:25,493 --> 02:21:27,693
other townships are doing to contribute because it looks like

1781
02:21:27,693 --> 02:21:32,500
there's only one other one. Potentially. I have a breakdown

1782
02:21:32,500 --> 02:21:35,700
from year 2023. Of what other? It's on a report.

1783
02:21:38,125 --> 02:21:41,212
I can definitely share that information. I'm not sure what

1784
02:21:41,212 --> 02:21:43,492
they've listed as other grant. I'm thinking that. Is the

1785
02:21:43,492 --> 02:21:46,012
grants from other townships, but I can't confirm that.

1786
02:22:04,785 --> 02:22:06,905
Yes, please. Three amount of marriage members of council, I

1787
02:22:06,905 --> 02:22:08,745
think what we're trying to point out. Is that on

1788
02:22:08,745 --> 02:22:16,061
the issue paper that they've submitted? The first line item

1789
02:22:16,061 --> 02:22:19,221
is municipal grant requested is 14,000 from Crammy Township. Other

1790
02:22:19,221 --> 02:22:21,941
grants total 20. So if you've got three, I think

1791
02:22:21,941 --> 02:22:24,541
you listed three municipalities feeding into that you've got three

1792
02:22:24,541 --> 02:22:28,381
giving 20, but they're requesting 14 from Crammy. Another 1000

1793
02:22:28,381 --> 02:22:32,755
for donations. So it would be interesting to see what

1794
02:22:32,755 --> 02:22:37,752
other municipalities are all contributing in terms of. So a

1795
02:22:37,752 --> 02:22:43,957
breakdown from year 2022 2023 because. They do pass over

1796
02:22:43,957 --> 02:22:47,277
the year end the calendar year. So Hamilton Township contributed

1797
02:22:47,277 --> 02:22:55,171
9000. Port hope 9000 County 9500 anh 2000. And we

1798
02:22:55,171 --> 02:22:59,912
do the work. Not on. Not on.

1799
02:23:09,344 --> 02:23:12,464
If we just reduce it to 10,000, does that make

1800
02:23:12,464 --> 02:23:15,264
them come visit us and explain? I don't think it

1801
02:23:15,264 --> 02:23:19,176
does. If we want to have a conversation with them,

1802
02:23:19,176 --> 02:23:28,846
2000 will make them come and speak to us. So

1803
02:23:28,846 --> 02:23:30,646
thank you. I mean, I jumped the gun when I

1804
02:23:30,646 --> 02:23:33,086
said the 14th because in the past. It's always been

1805
02:23:33,086 --> 02:23:36,206
a great thing. But now, based on the comments you

1806
02:23:36,206 --> 02:23:39,246
made earlier about the office, not here. Some of the

1807
02:23:39,246 --> 02:23:42,166
other concerns. I get it that you don't want. To

1808
02:23:42,166 --> 02:23:43,966
defer. But on the same side, this, I think is

1809
02:23:43,966 --> 02:23:46,806
very valid that we defer. This one. And until we

1810
02:23:46,806 --> 02:23:50,927
get that further. Information. Because if this is true, that

1811
02:23:50,927 --> 02:23:53,287
they're all, and we're doing the 14,000 we're doing all

1812
02:23:53,287 --> 02:23:56,167
the work. Somebody's got to get the attention. But something.

1813
02:23:56,167 --> 02:23:59,687
Changes. So I would defer and ask for that breakdown.

1814
02:23:59,687 --> 02:24:01,527
And who's going to take over for the next year

1815
02:24:01,527 --> 02:24:05,984
before we proceed to give you any money. I can

1816
02:24:05,984 --> 02:24:07,904
reach out to county. I think the province has sort

1817
02:24:07,904 --> 02:24:10,024
of put that back in my court is to reach

1818
02:24:10,024 --> 02:24:12,024
out to county, and then they would want the crammy

1819
02:24:12,024 --> 02:24:14,264
township in the county to reach out to the province

1820
02:24:14,264 --> 02:24:16,584
collectively to say that this is going to be the

1821
02:24:16,584 --> 02:24:24,210
transition process. Okay. Motion, then, is to defer this. Do

1822
02:24:24,210 --> 02:24:32,220
we have a mover? In a second. Prescriber has to

1823
02:24:32,220 --> 02:24:39,585
cruise. Okay, so to defer. Pending a report. All in

1824
02:24:39,585 --> 02:24:48,606
favor? Aye, Arthur. I Hamilton ice driver. Van Eggman. Martin.

1825
02:24:48,606 --> 02:24:55,306
I agree to defer. Colbert and cremey. If I may,

1826
02:24:55,306 --> 02:24:58,986
just before we start. Yesterday, after the snow, I was

1827
02:24:58,986 --> 02:25:03,786
in town and there was. A gang of kids with

1828
02:25:03,786 --> 02:25:07,666
snow shovels that were going around doing laneways, and that

1829
02:25:07,666 --> 02:25:09,986
needs to be mentioned because there are people within our

1830
02:25:09,986 --> 02:25:14,853
own community. That I told them to get organized and

1831
02:25:14,853 --> 02:25:18,333
have a contact point single because they were still looking.

1832
02:25:18,333 --> 02:25:20,773
For other people to help. So just wanted to say

1833
02:25:20,773 --> 02:25:23,868
that there are people that are helping. Ones who want

1834
02:25:23,868 --> 02:25:26,468
a skate park. Could be. Yeah, I bet it is.

1835
02:25:32,421 --> 02:25:37,808
Right. Okay. Nine. L. Colburn and Crammy Food bank. The

1836
02:25:37,808 --> 02:25:40,688
resolution is, be it resolved. Council approved. And I defer

1837
02:25:40,688 --> 02:25:44,128
this budget request in the amount of $5,000 to the

1838
02:25:44,128 --> 02:25:46,328
culver. And crammy food bank. Could I remove her into

1839
02:25:46,328 --> 02:25:52,955
second, or, please? Motion to approve. Second on eggman. Any

1840
02:25:52,955 --> 02:26:01,681
discussion. All in favor? Aye, Arthur. I, Hamilton Ice

1841
02:26:01,681 --> 02:26:08,881
driver. Ben Eggman. Aye, Martin. I approved nine m crammy

1842
02:26:08,881 --> 02:26:13,851
horticultural society. Be it resolved that council approved, deny or

1843
02:26:13,851 --> 02:26:17,291
defer this budget request in the amount of $2,500. To

1844
02:26:17,291 --> 02:26:20,491
the Kareemi Horticultural Society. Could I have a mover into

1845
02:26:20,491 --> 02:26:27,397
second? Or please. Move. Van Eggman, second scriber. Any discussion.

1846
02:26:29,009 --> 02:26:29,249
All in favor?

1847
02:26:41,532 --> 02:26:44,852
This amount of money is usually used to do the

1848
02:26:44,852 --> 02:26:48,052
baskets in the downtown, throughout the downtown area. Et cetera

1849
02:26:48,052 --> 02:26:57,959
and gardens. At entranceways and so on, Castleton. Colburn and

1850
02:26:57,959 --> 02:27:00,567
whatever. And by the way, the bill is usually more

1851
02:27:00,567 --> 02:27:03,687
than 2500 for those flowers and plants. And so on.

1852
02:27:05,279 --> 02:27:10,989
So I'm calling the vote. All in favor? I, arthur.

1853
02:27:14,352 --> 02:27:20,418
I hamilt? Ice driver van Eggman. Aye, Martin, I that

1854
02:27:20,418 --> 02:27:25,339
is approved. Nine N. Colburn Public School. Be it resolved,

1855
02:27:25,339 --> 02:27:30,485
that council approve, deny, defer this budget request. In the

1856
02:27:30,485 --> 02:27:33,685
amount of $300 to the Colbert public school. Could I

1857
02:27:33,685 --> 02:27:39,138
be mover in a second, please. Motion to approve. Second,

1858
02:27:39,138 --> 02:27:48,119
Hamilton. Any discussion. All in favor? Aye, Arthur. I ham

1859
02:27:48,119 --> 02:27:54,150
up ice driver Ben Eggman. Martin, I. That is approved.

1860
02:27:55,615 --> 02:28:00,651
9.0 Apple blossom Time Festival. Be it resolved that council

1861
02:28:00,651 --> 02:28:03,971
approve, deny, deferred this budget request in the amount of

1862
02:28:03,971 --> 02:28:08,091
$7,500. To the Apple blossom time festival. Could I have

1863
02:28:08,091 --> 02:28:12,599
a mover into seconder? Please. Move scriber second to get

1864
02:28:12,599 --> 02:28:21,287
it on the table. Discussion. Councilor hamilton.

1865
02:28:25,576 --> 02:28:29,120
Thank you, Madam Mayor. I don't see any financials attached

1866
02:28:29,120 --> 02:28:35,501
to this at all. Council shriver Jeffrey Madam mayor to

1867
02:28:35,501 --> 02:28:37,381
members of council. So obviously, it was great to see

1868
02:28:37,381 --> 02:28:44,989
this event. Re kick off this past year, and the

1869
02:28:44,989 --> 02:28:46,989
weather was terrible, which is too bad, although I think

1870
02:28:46,989 --> 02:28:48,989
the sun did come out on Saturday, if I remember

1871
02:28:48,989 --> 02:28:52,394
right. But, yeah, the application just looks a bit rushed.

1872
02:28:53,887 --> 02:28:55,887
Do you know off the top of your head? Rhubab

1873
02:28:55,887 --> 02:28:58,767
what we know we offered. Space last year, I think.

1874
02:28:58,767 --> 02:29:00,847
And do you happen to know that it didn't come

1875
02:29:00,847 --> 02:29:04,223
through? A grant, but it would have came through. Well,

1876
02:29:04,223 --> 02:29:05,503
maybe it is a grant, but it would have came

1877
02:29:05,503 --> 02:29:09,824
later in the year. Remember we gave them the 2500.

1878
02:29:11,951 --> 02:29:13,511
We can pull the application from last year and look

1879
02:29:13,511 --> 02:29:15,911
at it, but I do remember the person. Coming in

1880
02:29:15,911 --> 02:29:17,831
and making a presentation to council. I just don't know

1881
02:29:17,831 --> 02:29:20,951
if there was a free use authorized, but we can

1882
02:29:20,951 --> 02:29:25,554
look at that. Deputy Mayor Arthur thank you. And if

1883
02:29:25,554 --> 02:29:28,234
I may, 1 of the concerns that I have is

1884
02:29:28,234 --> 02:29:31,794
on item number five within the application. The additional funding

1885
02:29:31,794 --> 02:29:35,394
is to help recover lost revenue from last year. So

1886
02:29:35,394 --> 02:29:37,594
what is that that they paid for out of their

1887
02:29:37,594 --> 02:29:43,392
pockets? That in addition to it's? Just concerning. And I

1888
02:29:43,392 --> 02:29:45,552
through the rumor mail and the rumor mill, only I'm

1889
02:29:45,552 --> 02:29:47,952
hearing that it's. A possibility. It's only going to be

1890
02:29:47,952 --> 02:29:50,432
a one day event this year, versus two. I don't

1891
02:29:50,432 --> 02:29:52,592
know if we have any backup. I would really like

1892
02:29:52,592 --> 02:29:56,408
to see a presentation. By these people. As to possibility

1893
02:29:56,408 --> 02:30:05,420
before I say jump to buy $5,000. So.

1894
02:30:09,809 --> 02:30:11,449
I would suggest we make it 5000.

1895
02:30:21,338 --> 02:30:25,258
I would agree with that. Mandy, this is something that

1896
02:30:25,258 --> 02:30:29,076
we need. A festival back in Colburn. We used to

1897
02:30:29,076 --> 02:30:32,692
have a farm fair at one time. Not even before

1898
02:30:32,692 --> 02:30:37,243
my time, actually. It was on where the Keeler lands

1899
02:30:37,243 --> 02:30:40,756
were at that time. There was room for improvement, but

1900
02:30:40,756 --> 02:30:43,236
a lot of the things that went wrong were due

1901
02:30:43,236 --> 02:30:45,916
to weather. Last time. This is a festival that could

1902
02:30:45,916 --> 02:30:49,396
really take off here, and I want to point everybody

1903
02:30:49,396 --> 02:30:54,610
to. The festival that they have in Brighton where you

1904
02:30:54,610 --> 02:30:58,970
can't even move downtown on that day. So they have

1905
02:30:58,970 --> 02:31:01,810
a concert in the evening, and I'd like to see

1906
02:31:01,810 --> 02:31:05,948
it go that way. I don't think. That they need

1907
02:31:05,948 --> 02:31:09,468
the full 7500. But I've got written down here also

1908
02:31:09,468 --> 02:31:12,243
5000. So do you want to make a motion or

1909
02:31:12,243 --> 02:31:20,341
amend the motion or whatever? Man, Joel. So I don't

1910
02:31:20,341 --> 02:31:22,381
disagree at all, Ed, but just where I struggle is

1911
02:31:22,381 --> 02:31:24,021
I don't. See a balance sheet. Like, did they spend

1912
02:31:24,021 --> 02:31:27,581
$50,000 last year, or did they spend $8,000 last year.

1913
02:31:27,581 --> 02:31:32,460
You know what I mean? So I don't disagree. And

1914
02:31:32,460 --> 02:31:35,778
5000 seems like a nice number, but. I would like

1915
02:31:35,778 --> 02:31:38,578
to see a balance sheet. Just understand what they actually

1916
02:31:38,578 --> 02:31:43,843
spent last year. Because maybe. It's very justified that they

1917
02:31:43,843 --> 02:31:47,025
should have more than that. But I just have no

1918
02:31:47,025 --> 02:31:51,136
insight at all on this application other than. They're looking

1919
02:31:51,136 --> 02:31:55,466
to recover costs, it looks like. So I would suggest

1920
02:31:55,466 --> 02:31:59,066
that we make it 5000 contingent on them producing a

1921
02:31:59,066 --> 02:32:03,474
report. We are now coming into the second month of

1922
02:32:03,474 --> 02:32:11,400
2025. We can't keep restudying all this stuff. So I

1923
02:32:11,400 --> 02:32:15,511
think let's move on. 5000. We know what 5000 can

1924
02:32:15,511 --> 02:32:20,984
do. We have enough experience with. These festivals, et cetera,

1925
02:32:20,984 --> 02:32:24,544
et cetera. It's easy to spend $5,000. It's how they

1926
02:32:24,544 --> 02:32:27,583
choose to spend it, and that's their business. And I

1927
02:32:27,583 --> 02:32:29,543
think it is a success, and I have no problem

1928
02:32:29,543 --> 02:32:32,823
with it being one day only. I mean, obviously the

1929
02:32:32,823 --> 02:32:36,543
car factor last year was the most successful part of

1930
02:32:36,543 --> 02:32:42,934
it all, really. That was really cool. Always has been.

1931
02:32:42,934 --> 02:32:45,054
But times change and we have to go with the

1932
02:32:45,054 --> 02:32:47,534
flow. I don't know what they've got planned, but I

1933
02:32:47,534 --> 02:32:52,294
think 5000 investing in a festival for this community. Is.

1934
02:32:53,554 --> 02:32:57,701
A good investment. And if I may, 5000 is definitely

1935
02:32:57,701 --> 02:33:00,421
a good investment. But where's the money going? Because we're

1936
02:33:00,421 --> 02:33:05,125
recovering last year's cost. So we don't release it until

1937
02:33:05,125 --> 02:33:09,605
we receive a financial report based on the 2024. Event,

1938
02:33:09,605 --> 02:33:14,090
please. That addresses my concern as well. I think we

1939
02:33:14,090 --> 02:33:21,858
need to see the financials. I totally support. This festival's

1940
02:33:21,858 --> 02:33:25,298
return. And last year, the main day, it did rain.

1941
02:33:25,298 --> 02:33:29,388
I was there. It was awful. But it's weather dependent

1942
02:33:29,388 --> 02:33:31,548
because it's an outdoor event. So we're going to always

1943
02:33:31,548 --> 02:33:35,608
be facing that. I want us to support this festival,

1944
02:33:35,608 --> 02:33:39,328
but I want this festival to be open with the

1945
02:33:39,328 --> 02:33:47,224
taxpayer. About what's happening with those dollars. Yes. Rebap. I

1946
02:33:47,224 --> 02:33:49,424
just like to clarify that I just heard a comment

1947
02:33:49,424 --> 02:33:52,184
that maybe they, maybe will approve more so if we

1948
02:33:52,184 --> 02:33:56,632
approve 5000 right now. With the limitation of them coming

1949
02:33:56,632 --> 02:33:58,792
and making a presentation, we can't change that back to

1950
02:33:58,792 --> 02:34:02,112
7500 because it is being funded through taxation and we

1951
02:34:02,112 --> 02:34:04,032
won't be able to change. That after the budget is

1952
02:34:04,032 --> 02:34:07,886
approved. So if we only approve 5000. Then, however, they're

1953
02:34:07,886 --> 02:34:10,166
doing the presentation, and maybe if we do feel that

1954
02:34:10,166 --> 02:34:12,286
they probably should. Get more money, they would only be

1955
02:34:12,286 --> 02:34:16,259
entitled to that 5000. So what is the resolution? Please,

1956
02:34:16,259 --> 02:34:26,163
Holly. If councilor Scriber and Venna Eggman agree, it is

1957
02:34:26,163 --> 02:34:28,963
to approve the funding of $5,000 to the apple Blossom

1958
02:34:28,963 --> 02:34:33,243
Festival with a caveat that support of financials for 2024

1959
02:34:33,243 --> 02:34:39,444
are to be presented before funding is released. All in

1960
02:34:39,444 --> 02:34:48,411
favor? Aye, Arthur. Aye. Hamilton, ice driver.

1961
02:34:50,216 --> 02:34:55,714
Ben eggman. Aye. Martin I resolution is carried. West north.

1962
02:34:55,714 --> 02:35:01,634
Emily, physician recruitment. They're requesting $9,135. Be it resolved, the

1963
02:35:01,634 --> 02:35:06,554
council approved. Deny, defer this. Budget request in this amount

1964
02:35:06,554 --> 02:35:09,674
to the west earth. Amberland physician recruitment. Could I be

1965
02:35:09,674 --> 02:35:15,820
mover? In a second, or, please. Moved Hamilton. Second, Arthur.

1966
02:35:19,807 --> 02:35:29,468
Discussion. Councilor hamilton. So as a member of that

1967
02:35:29,468 --> 02:35:33,068
board, who has sat with that board for nearly a

1968
02:35:33,068 --> 02:35:41,464
year, I've learned a lot in a year. And. I'm

1969
02:35:41,464 --> 02:35:45,704
supportive of a collaborative effort. No individual municipality is going

1970
02:35:45,704 --> 02:35:49,769
to do this on their own. I do think we

1971
02:35:49,769 --> 02:35:53,289
need to work as a collective with our neighbors in

1972
02:35:53,289 --> 02:35:57,602
order to attract. Good primary health care to our community.

1973
02:35:59,097 --> 02:36:05,148
Having said that. I just came from Roma. And the

1974
02:36:05,148 --> 02:36:10,023
final panel was a healthcare panel. And the chair or

1975
02:36:10,023 --> 02:36:17,505
president. Maybe that's his title. Of the Oma. Was describing.

1976
02:36:18,259 --> 02:36:22,499
Payments to doctors to attract them as the hunger games.

1977
02:36:24,091 --> 02:36:26,851
He said it repeatedly throughout his presentation. This is a

1978
02:36:26,851 --> 02:36:29,331
33 year old doctor who's taken on the presidency of

1979
02:36:29,331 --> 02:36:33,730
the OMA. I think some of our neighbors are doing

1980
02:36:33,730 --> 02:36:37,490
this. They're putting funds towards attracting dockers. We already know

1981
02:36:37,490 --> 02:36:41,438
that. Docs on the bay, or docs by the bay,

1982
02:36:41,438 --> 02:36:44,118
or whatever they call themselves, or giving $100,000 to a

1983
02:36:44,118 --> 02:36:46,598
doctor to bring them in. It brings them in temporarily,

1984
02:36:46,598 --> 02:36:52,152
it does. But the reality is. We need to be

1985
02:36:52,152 --> 02:36:59,022
more creative. About. How we look at providing. Primary health

1986
02:36:59,022 --> 02:37:08,776
care to our residents. The municipalities. Are already. Funding provincial

1987
02:37:08,776 --> 02:37:14,376
programs to the tune of $68 billion a year. $68

1988
02:37:14,376 --> 02:37:22,686
billion a year. Subsidized. On provincial programs by municipalities. Is.

1989
02:37:22,686 --> 02:37:24,406
I don't want to use the word criminal, but it's

1990
02:37:24,406 --> 02:37:29,916
terrible that's. A terrible number to know that. We only

1991
02:37:29,916 --> 02:37:34,316
have very limited tools with which to gain our tax

1992
02:37:34,316 --> 02:37:40,092
dollars. And we're supporting. Programs that should be provincial. I

1993
02:37:40,092 --> 02:37:45,111
guess I could whine all day about that. But. I'm

1994
02:37:45,111 --> 02:37:47,871
as supportive as I am of a collaborative effort with

1995
02:37:47,871 --> 02:37:52,510
other municipalities. I'm concerned about how much money can be

1996
02:37:52,510 --> 02:37:56,310
burned through while we go down the wrong path. I

1997
02:37:56,310 --> 02:38:02,812
agree with that. We're near the bottom of that step

1998
02:38:02,812 --> 02:38:10,764
ladder. In a group like this. I would rather take

1999
02:38:10,764 --> 02:38:15,063
that money. Find a third year met student and say,

2000
02:38:15,063 --> 02:38:17,383
hey, give us two years or give us a chance.

2001
02:38:17,383 --> 02:38:23,813
To. Be your first place of residency. And. We will

2002
02:38:23,813 --> 02:38:27,173
take care of your education at the tune of 10,000.

2003
02:38:27,173 --> 02:38:29,653
Maybe that's. Illegal? I don't know, but it seems like

2004
02:38:29,653 --> 02:38:31,973
a far better way than to throw our money into

2005
02:38:31,973 --> 02:38:34,493
a pot. That really hasn't helped us in ten years.

2006
02:38:36,786 --> 02:38:41,211
And I know the names have changed. But the idea

2007
02:38:41,211 --> 02:38:44,608
is the same. Well, I sit on that committee, too.

2008
02:38:49,244 --> 02:38:57,192
And. I can no longer support it. I simply can

2009
02:38:57,192 --> 02:39:01,112
no longer support it because I think it's being hijacked.

2010
02:39:01,112 --> 02:39:03,432
The whole committee is being hijacked, and I'm being very

2011
02:39:03,432 --> 02:39:05,832
blunt here and probably be shocked at dawn for this.

2012
02:39:07,385 --> 02:39:14,468
But. There are power games going on. And I will

2013
02:39:14,468 --> 02:39:19,269
be blunt about this, too. I think the hospital. Is

2014
02:39:19,269 --> 02:39:25,769
really protecting its own drive. To recruit doctors. And they're

2015
02:39:25,769 --> 02:39:29,049
trying to sort of take over the recruitment processes and

2016
02:39:29,049 --> 02:39:33,599
programs that have been proposed. I think this Ontario health

2017
02:39:33,599 --> 02:39:37,319
team, Northumberland, which started out with cooperatively all kinds of

2018
02:39:37,319 --> 02:39:43,372
people collaborating. And it had good legs. But. It's being

2019
02:39:43,372 --> 02:39:48,648
undermined. By the hospital. I'll be that blunt. And by

2020
02:39:48,648 --> 02:39:51,448
a few of the doctors who want to protect who

2021
02:39:51,448 --> 02:39:56,489
they recruit and how they recruit. So I cannot support

2022
02:39:56,489 --> 02:40:01,124
this. I'm tired of going to meetings. And saying, we

2023
02:40:01,124 --> 02:40:03,564
should do this and we should do that, and they're

2024
02:40:03,564 --> 02:40:08,244
preparing an ad. For recruitment at whatever. And yes to

2025
02:40:08,244 --> 02:40:13,807
me. It's extraordinarily insulting to me. That people are offering.

2026
02:40:13,807 --> 02:40:17,087
Doctors are offered $100,000 to come to your community as

2027
02:40:17,087 --> 02:40:20,418
they did in Brighton, for example. Two years into the

2028
02:40:20,418 --> 02:40:24,181
game. Which was the term that they were minimum to

2029
02:40:24,181 --> 02:40:31,145
state. The day after that expired, that doctor resigned. That

2030
02:40:31,145 --> 02:40:37,664
to me is not acceptable, not on. And I think

2031
02:40:37,664 --> 02:40:40,914
that's a waste of money. I think we have more

2032
02:40:40,914 --> 02:40:45,074
falling nose, having really researched the Norwood situation, where Norwood

2033
02:40:45,074 --> 02:40:49,594
and the municipality invested in a building, invested in an

2034
02:40:49,594 --> 02:40:55,543
office building, provided the office building. Actually. Supply, administrative support.

2035
02:40:57,120 --> 02:40:59,080
So that a doctor can come in and set up

2036
02:40:59,080 --> 02:41:02,320
shop. And there it is. Because what they don't like

2037
02:41:02,320 --> 02:41:04,920
is assuming all the office work and the administration and

2038
02:41:04,920 --> 02:41:08,480
the paperwork, they just want to come in and practice

2039
02:41:08,480 --> 02:41:12,458
medicine. And that's how they're doing it, and I think

2040
02:41:12,458 --> 02:41:19,178
that's very innovative. And positive, rather than handing somebody a

2041
02:41:19,178 --> 02:41:24,825
check for 100,000 saying, Have a nice life. We've got

2042
02:41:24,825 --> 02:41:29,538
to be more innovative and welcoming in the community. So

2043
02:41:29,538 --> 02:41:32,018
I'm not altogether popular with this committee right at the

2044
02:41:32,018 --> 02:41:36,961
moment, of course. But I'm done. I cannot support it.

2045
02:41:36,961 --> 02:41:44,492
I just cannot. Yes, you may. Thank you, Madam Mayor,

2046
02:41:44,492 --> 02:41:47,612
everyone in the room is aware that in Crammy township

2047
02:41:47,612 --> 02:41:51,892
we recently. Formed a healthcare needs committee. That committee has

2048
02:41:51,892 --> 02:41:57,686
had the opportunity to meet. Twice. And as far as

2049
02:41:57,686 --> 02:42:00,486
I know, in our February meeting, we will actually be

2050
02:42:00,486 --> 02:42:05,871
hearing from the Norwood example. Now, first numbers that I

2051
02:42:05,871 --> 02:42:10,991
heard from Norwood were that it was costing taxpayers annually

2052
02:42:10,991 --> 02:42:13,791
about a quarter of a million dollars to support a

2053
02:42:13,791 --> 02:42:17,819
team. Of three or four doctors, a nurse practitioner and

2054
02:42:17,819 --> 02:42:22,776
other modalities, all in the same building. That. They didn't

2055
02:42:22,776 --> 02:42:27,176
build the building, but they provided signatures that allowed the

2056
02:42:27,176 --> 02:42:29,976
developer to get money. From the bank. So it's a

2057
02:42:29,976 --> 02:42:34,976
creative process as a combination of public private interests that

2058
02:42:34,976 --> 02:42:38,736
move this forward, but currently there are no orphan patients

2059
02:42:38,736 --> 02:42:42,376
in that area that I'm aware. Of so. There are

2060
02:42:42,376 --> 02:42:45,576
models out there. I'm actually encouraged that the Ford government

2061
02:42:45,576 --> 02:42:48,096
has hired Jane, Phil. Pot, too, because if you read

2062
02:42:48,096 --> 02:42:51,576
her book, healthcare for all is quite a different model

2063
02:42:51,576 --> 02:42:54,296
than what we currently live under in terms of health

2064
02:42:54,296 --> 02:42:58,098
care. I'm going to also say that housing has eclipsed

2065
02:42:58,098 --> 02:43:01,058
healthcare as a provincial concern and it's because our health

2066
02:43:01,058 --> 02:43:04,578
care facilities are telling us that housing is the number

2067
02:43:04,578 --> 02:43:10,109
one driver. Of lineups in the emergency wards now. So

2068
02:43:10,109 --> 02:43:15,466
this is a huge issue. I think. Our health care

2069
02:43:15,466 --> 02:43:18,306
needs committee here in Cranby Township is really just in

2070
02:43:18,306 --> 02:43:23,098
the discovery phase. Of what our community needs are. So

2071
02:43:23,098 --> 02:43:26,873
I would be in favor of. Focusing more on that

2072
02:43:26,873 --> 02:43:30,993
as a community, but we do have to absolutely maintain

2073
02:43:30,993 --> 02:43:36,515
partnerships with our surrounding communities because. Health care is such

2074
02:43:36,515 --> 02:43:41,664
a bigger issue. Anyway. I guess that's all I'm going

2075
02:43:41,664 --> 02:43:44,944
to say. And you are right, Mandy, compared to what

2076
02:43:44,944 --> 02:43:48,584
is being said about giving doctors the 100 grand or

2077
02:43:48,584 --> 02:43:51,184
whatever communities happen to be giving. They're doing all kinds

2078
02:43:51,184 --> 02:43:56,091
of little things to attract doctors. The head of the

2079
02:43:56,091 --> 02:44:00,171
OMA, Dr. Dominic Novak, says what doctors really want is.

2080
02:44:01,946 --> 02:44:05,186
To work in teams. They want to be multidisciplinary. They

2081
02:44:05,186 --> 02:44:10,146
don't want the 1600 patient load that is currently projected.

2082
02:44:11,120 --> 02:44:12,760
They want smaller caseloads. They want to be able to

2083
02:44:12,760 --> 02:44:16,649
take vacations just like other people. So we need to

2084
02:44:16,649 --> 02:44:20,720
look at it differently. And I have to agree with

2085
02:44:20,720 --> 02:44:23,000
you. I'm not confident that this committee is on the

2086
02:44:23,000 --> 02:44:32,863
right path and the power struggles are obvious. Well,

2087
02:44:32,863 --> 02:44:36,183
this took an unexpected and very pleasant path, so I'm

2088
02:44:36,183 --> 02:44:36,703
quite inspired.

2089
02:45:11,216 --> 02:45:13,376
If I can say just because I. I sit on

2090
02:45:13,376 --> 02:45:21,402
that board. And I'm wavering with support, so I will

2091
02:45:21,402 --> 02:45:28,544
pull back my motion. And motion to decline. Second van

2092
02:45:28,544 --> 02:45:33,490
Eggman. I will say it is difficult because I know

2093
02:45:33,490 --> 02:45:36,170
that they have in the past done some great but

2094
02:45:36,170 --> 02:45:38,650
now with the information that you have as well as

2095
02:45:38,650 --> 02:45:48,399
Sherry's provided, I have to. Say aye, herther. Epstein.

2096
02:45:54,106 --> 02:46:03,512
Ice driver Ben Eggman. I. Martin, I. Ms declined. Nine

2097
02:46:03,512 --> 02:46:08,312
cube, Brighton auxiliary rescue unit. Be it resolved that council

2098
02:46:08,312 --> 02:46:10,872
approved, deny or defer this budget request in the amount

2099
02:46:10,872 --> 02:46:14,952
of $1,500. To the Brighton auxiliary rescue unit, but I

2100
02:46:14,952 --> 02:46:20,972
have a mover in a second. Please. Move, scriber. Second,

2101
02:46:20,972 --> 02:46:29,086
Hamilton. Any discussion. All in favor? Hi, Arthur.

2102
02:46:33,091 --> 02:46:39,291
Ihama ice grabber benigmund. Aye, Martin, I that is approved.

2103
02:46:40,706 --> 02:46:43,986
Nine r Northumberland Humane Society. Be it resolved, that council

2104
02:46:43,986 --> 02:46:46,986
approved and I defer this budget request. In the amount

2105
02:46:46,986 --> 02:46:50,786
of $1,000 to the Northumberland Humane Society. Could I have

2106
02:46:50,786 --> 02:46:53,290
a mover? In a second, or please. Move, Scrabber.

2107
02:47:05,041 --> 02:47:12,689
Second Arthur for discussion. All in favor? Oh, discussion, rather.

2108
02:47:12,689 --> 02:47:17,981
Excuse me. There's no information given, really, that no backup

2109
02:47:17,981 --> 02:47:24,303
as to what this is for. And currently what I'm

2110
02:47:24,303 --> 02:47:26,543
trying to think what do we have now for if

2111
02:47:26,543 --> 02:47:31,133
we have the lost dogs. What is our current. Shelter

2112
02:47:31,133 --> 02:47:31,173
policy.

2113
02:47:43,496 --> 02:47:47,016
From what I'm hearing, it's about $1,500 quarterly with the

2114
02:47:47,016 --> 02:47:49,136
humane. Society right now. With the bylaw, they entered into

2115
02:47:49,136 --> 02:47:51,616
a new agreement with them, I believe, last year, the

2116
02:47:51,616 --> 02:48:01,525
year before. Yeah, that

2117
02:48:01,525 --> 02:48:10,114
was. Sorry. So we pay $6,000 annually. For pretty much.

2118
02:48:10,114 --> 02:48:11,794
I think most of the services are the same that

2119
02:48:11,794 --> 02:48:13,514
we pay for, and this is, in addition to that,

2120
02:48:14,722 --> 02:48:17,710
This is the first time you receive this application. You've

2121
02:48:17,710 --> 02:48:20,030
already got my 135, so I'm not giving them any.

2122
02:48:28,004 --> 02:48:30,044
Yes, through you, Madam Mayor. I was just curious to

2123
02:48:30,044 --> 02:48:31,764
see if there was any more information related. To this.

2124
02:48:33,874 --> 02:48:37,685
But while it would be charitable, I'm personally not in

2125
02:48:37,685 --> 02:48:41,311
the mood. Okay. The motion is to deny. Could I

2126
02:48:41,311 --> 02:48:49,136
have a vote, please? Hi, arsenal.

2127
02:48:51,167 --> 02:48:56,367
Aye. Hammer. Ice driver. Vinnick. Manai. Martin. I. It is

2128
02:48:56,367 --> 02:49:01,087
denied. Nine S. Royal Canadian Legion. Branch 187. Be it

2129
02:49:01,087 --> 02:49:04,647
resolved, council approved. And I defer this budget request in

2130
02:49:04,647 --> 02:49:08,447
the amount of $1,000 to the Royal Canadian Legion branch.

2131
02:49:08,447 --> 02:49:13,031
187. Could I have a mover into. Seconder. Please. Motion

2132
02:49:13,031 --> 02:49:20,298
to approve. Second van Eggman. Any discussion. All in favor?

2133
02:49:22,197 --> 02:49:29,370
Aye, Arthur. Aye. Hamilton Ice driver Bennett. Martin. I it

2134
02:49:29,370 --> 02:49:35,272
is approved. 19 Castleton pet parade. Be it resolved that

2135
02:49:35,272 --> 02:49:39,152
council approved deny or defer this budget request. In the

2136
02:49:39,152 --> 02:49:42,832
amount of $500 to the castleton pet parade. Could I

2137
02:49:42,832 --> 02:49:46,048
have a mover? In a second, or, please. Motion to

2138
02:49:46,048 --> 02:49:51,422
approve. Second. Hamilton, any discussion? All in favor?

2139
02:49:58,404 --> 02:50:00,564
Through you, Madam mayor, to members of council. So I'm

2140
02:50:00,564 --> 02:50:03,364
just reopening this because. I can't recall, but am I

2141
02:50:03,364 --> 02:50:06,164
right to say, traditionally, that we've offered these guys free

2142
02:50:06,164 --> 02:50:09,637
facility and. This is separate from that.

2143
02:50:16,158 --> 02:50:19,358
Yes. They use the Castleton town hall as a meeting.

2144
02:50:19,358 --> 02:50:22,918
And the library opened too, to host. People.

2145
02:50:29,265 --> 02:50:31,745
And then, as you said, 500 for insurance.

2146
02:50:39,993 --> 02:50:47,557
We have a resolution. Prove. Deny, whatever. Hello? Calling it

2147
02:50:47,557 --> 02:50:57,045
a vote in approval. Aye, hersa. Aye.

2148
02:50:57,045 --> 02:51:05,878
Hammock ice driver Benny. Martin, I. That is approved. Nine.

2149
02:51:05,878 --> 02:51:09,318
You. Music in the square. Be it resolved, the council

2150
02:51:09,318 --> 02:51:12,558
approved deny or defer this budget. Request in the amount

2151
02:51:12,558 --> 02:51:16,278
of $1,500 to music in the square. Could I remove

2152
02:51:16,278 --> 02:51:23,610
her? In a seconder, please. Move to Hamilton. I'll second

2153
02:51:23,610 --> 02:51:33,294
get it on the floor. Please. Councilor ben eggman. Oh,

2154
02:51:33,294 --> 02:51:38,063
sorry. Did they have music in square last year? They

2155
02:51:38,063 --> 02:51:43,221
did. Okay, so it was done. I was just unclear

2156
02:51:43,221 --> 02:51:46,301
because I know that for a time there they had

2157
02:51:46,301 --> 02:51:49,501
said, well, forget about it. And so I don't know

2158
02:51:49,501 --> 02:51:53,437
what happened there, that's all. Through you, madam mayor. So,

2159
02:51:53,437 --> 02:51:57,237
yeah, the music in the square, the traditional crew was

2160
02:51:57,237 --> 02:51:59,077
able to find the support they required and I think

2161
02:51:59,077 --> 02:52:02,037
proceeded last year. But this is a separate application. Do

2162
02:52:02,037 --> 02:52:04,037
we know anything else, that it's not separate, it's the

2163
02:52:04,037 --> 02:52:09,833
same. Okay, Bill, are you able to provide a background?

2164
02:52:09,833 --> 02:52:15,670
I'm curious. So my understanding is that it's been taken

2165
02:52:15,670 --> 02:52:19,310
over by community living and respite. North Dumberland this year

2166
02:52:19,310 --> 02:52:27,480
and. Those are the people who are requesting this funding.

2167
02:52:34,519 --> 02:52:39,354
Yes, Councilor Hamilton. If I remember correctly, they had an

2168
02:52:39,354 --> 02:52:41,634
issue with not being able to do their 50 50

2169
02:52:41,634 --> 02:52:46,030
rackle. Raffle tickets because. It was through the alcohol and

2170
02:52:46,030 --> 02:52:49,470
Gaming Commission, they would have needed a charity to oversee.

2171
02:52:51,241 --> 02:52:54,281
Or something like that. And so I think that's why

2172
02:52:54,281 --> 02:52:59,628
we're seeing this over. Overseeing organization, doing the application on

2173
02:52:59,628 --> 02:53:08,738
their behalf. Traditionally, we supported this in the

2174
02:53:08,738 --> 02:53:13,150
past. How much have we done in the past? 600,

2175
02:53:13,150 --> 02:53:16,550
so we've given them 623 and 624.

2176
02:53:23,499 --> 02:53:28,635
And if I may. Again. They had the entire year

2177
02:53:28,635 --> 02:53:29,875
last year. I know it got off to a late

2178
02:53:29,875 --> 02:53:32,475
start, but they as the group got it. And again,

2179
02:53:32,475 --> 02:53:35,075
no financial background. All it says is to help enhance,

2180
02:53:35,075 --> 02:53:37,795
but no information, so I'm good with the 600 we've

2181
02:53:37,795 --> 02:53:38,235
done in the past.

2182
02:53:50,989 --> 02:53:53,829
Sandra, could you live with 750? Halfway to the 1500.

2183
02:53:55,778 --> 02:54:01,822
Going once, going twice. So I was going to suggest

2184
02:54:01,822 --> 02:54:11,522
1000, but 750 would be a good compromise. So is

2185
02:54:11,522 --> 02:54:14,762
that for discussion now? Because I think it should be

2186
02:54:14,762 --> 02:54:22,178
the full 1500. It's an amazing attraction. To the town.

2187
02:54:22,178 --> 02:54:25,878
It's such an asset. We don't have to drag. In.

2188
02:54:27,231 --> 02:54:29,471
The amps and all that stuff. I think it's a

2189
02:54:29,471 --> 02:54:33,650
showcase. I think it's. A good investment. And furthermore, it

2190
02:54:33,650 --> 02:54:36,370
isn't just a one off event. It goes through the

2191
02:54:36,370 --> 02:54:41,057
summer months. Eight weeks, I think. It should be supported.

2192
02:54:44,094 --> 02:54:47,447
It's good value for the money. And people love it.

2193
02:54:50,756 --> 02:54:53,596
If I may. Madamira, I agree with you. This event

2194
02:54:53,596 --> 02:54:55,956
for over an eight week period attracts. A lot of

2195
02:54:55,956 --> 02:55:04,005
people within our community and to our community. So.

2196
02:55:05,644 --> 02:55:10,979
It's. A very good. Friendly thing. Music brings people together.

2197
02:55:12,901 --> 02:55:15,901
Also like to note that the downtown businesses, some of

2198
02:55:15,901 --> 02:55:22,264
the downtown businesses, become quite creative with it. Yes, they

2199
02:55:22,264 --> 02:55:24,544
stay open for the evening. And retro we won. Does

2200
02:55:24,544 --> 02:55:28,344
ice cream specials and so on. And the Royal does

2201
02:55:28,344 --> 02:55:32,485
a special menu, et cetera. Takeout and so on. I

2202
02:55:32,485 --> 02:55:35,132
think it's a good thing. I think it boosts everyone.

2203
02:55:36,683 --> 02:55:39,843
And when businesses honor it that way, they go the

2204
02:55:39,843 --> 02:55:46,025
extra step. That should be honored, I think. I then

2205
02:55:46,025 --> 02:55:50,238
only have one question. What will the funds actually fund?

2206
02:55:57,129 --> 02:56:02,443
They pay for the bands. Bottom line. And a band

2207
02:56:02,443 --> 02:56:05,683
can be anywhere from 750 to 1500. So it may

2208
02:56:05,683 --> 02:56:11,686
be just one special headliner. Quote. Local headliner group or

2209
02:56:11,686 --> 02:56:16,127
whatever. Plus. They do. There are other things that turn

2210
02:56:16,127 --> 02:56:19,467
up. For example? They need a sound system or a

2211
02:56:19,467 --> 02:56:24,499
new mic or whatever. It's easy to go through 1500.

2212
02:56:25,904 --> 02:56:34,401
When you're dealing with live music. The only thing I'll

2213
02:56:34,401 --> 02:56:37,401
add. I know Chris isn't here and I don't. Believe

2214
02:56:37,401 --> 02:56:39,161
we charge for the rental of the park any longer.

2215
02:56:43,682 --> 02:56:45,802
But I do believe there is staff associated with overtime.

2216
02:56:47,186 --> 02:56:49,755
And all those things as well. The township is very

2217
02:56:49,755 --> 02:56:53,468
supportive of it. We also put the Porta potties in

2218
02:56:53,468 --> 02:56:58,337
the park for the season. So you need to support

2219
02:56:58,337 --> 02:57:08,104
that, if only to support the porta bodies. Well.

2220
02:57:11,592 --> 02:57:13,272
I tend to agree with the 1500.

2221
02:57:30,672 --> 02:57:33,832
I will change my motion then to 1500 full amount.

2222
02:57:38,640 --> 02:57:43,320
Through you, Madamora. So I'll play devil's advocate, because I

2223
02:57:43,320 --> 02:57:45,520
find it annoying. That they didn't do anything on this

2224
02:57:45,520 --> 02:57:48,520
application, but if you really need $5000, I think I'd

2225
02:57:48,520 --> 02:57:52,522
actually fill out the application. What I was going to

2226
02:57:52,522 --> 02:57:54,882
use it for, so it makes me believe they actually

2227
02:57:54,882 --> 02:57:58,251
really probably don't. Even need the money. So I'd like

2228
02:57:58,251 --> 02:58:00,451
to see us be a little more stringent on accountability,

2229
02:58:00,451 --> 02:58:02,251
on the money coming and going and what it's being

2230
02:58:02,251 --> 02:58:06,460
used for. 1500, 700, it doesn't really matter. It's a

2231
02:58:06,460 --> 02:58:09,378
drop in the bucket. But it's kind of the principle

2232
02:58:09,378 --> 02:58:13,006
of being such a poor application. Just on one quick

2233
02:58:13,006 --> 02:58:16,166
note, maybe what we do then is our applications for

2234
02:58:16,166 --> 02:58:21,526
municipal grants now have must apply or must attach financial

2235
02:58:21,526 --> 02:58:26,094
document, right? Or we don't accept. So maybe that's what

2236
02:58:26,094 --> 02:58:28,880
we do for the future. Then that way they haven't

2237
02:58:28,880 --> 02:58:32,715
met the criteria. If it doesn't come. I would second

2238
02:58:32,715 --> 02:58:42,616
that motion. I'm going to call a vote on

2239
02:58:42,616 --> 02:58:48,759
1500 for approval. Hi, Arthur.

2240
02:58:52,451 --> 02:58:59,997
I hamilton. Ice driver. Van Eggman. Aye. Martin, I. The

2241
02:58:59,997 --> 02:59:04,196
resolution is carried. And if I may, then I'll make

2242
02:59:04,196 --> 02:59:08,276
a motion that for the 2026 that our application for

2243
02:59:08,276 --> 02:59:13,076
municipal grants is altered to show that financial information is

2244
02:59:13,076 --> 02:59:22,014
required. Balance sheet. Balance sheet is required. Second hammock. All

2245
02:59:22,014 --> 02:59:31,289
in favor? Aye, Arthur. Ice grabber benign. Martin

2246
02:59:31,289 --> 02:59:36,329
I. Resolution is carried. Open forum. Members of the public

2247
02:59:36,329 --> 02:59:39,689
have three minutes to ask general questions. And are not

2248
02:59:39,689 --> 02:59:42,689
to enter into debate. Please state your name and address

2249
02:59:42,689 --> 02:59:45,769
for the records. Each member may speak only once.

2250
02:59:57,914 --> 03:00:03,325
I can't see against the light. So, do we need

2251
03:00:03,325 --> 03:00:08,702
to discuss the next meeting under new business? Next budget

2252
03:00:08,702 --> 03:00:11,942
meeting, please. Options are.

2253
03:00:19,637 --> 03:00:22,517
The budget meeting is currently scheduled for Wednesday being January

2254
03:00:22,517 --> 03:00:30,415
29. And our only other option, mainly because of the

2255
03:00:30,415 --> 03:00:32,935
availability of the Keeler center of the hall. We're sitting

2256
03:00:32,935 --> 03:00:36,375
in right now is going to be Monday, February 3.

2257
03:00:36,375 --> 03:00:39,055
So we either stick with our original date of the

2258
03:00:39,055 --> 03:00:42,615
29th, which also means that we'll have to update everything.

2259
03:00:42,615 --> 03:00:46,135
Over the weekend. Post the agenda by Sunday and council

2260
03:00:46,135 --> 03:00:49,664
members of council have Monday. And Tuesday to review the

2261
03:00:49,664 --> 03:00:52,384
binder and be ready to discuss that information on Wednesday.

2262
03:00:53,650 --> 03:00:57,650
Or we set up the meeting for Monday, February 3.

2263
03:00:57,650 --> 03:01:00,878
Thank you. The only thing that I'll add to that

2264
03:01:00,878 --> 03:01:07,991
is I cannot attend on Wednesday, February 3. The 29th.

2265
03:01:07,991 --> 03:01:16,329
The Wednesday the 29th. I can't make that. Yes, I

2266
03:01:16,329 --> 03:01:19,329
can probably be zoomed, but I'm on my own that

2267
03:01:19,329 --> 03:01:22,289
day, so I could be taken away in the situation,

2268
03:01:22,289 --> 03:01:24,089
so I can't guarantee that I'll be at my desk

2269
03:01:24,089 --> 03:01:31,445
that full day. Just in the interest of having.

2270
03:01:36,336 --> 03:01:39,957
More time with the binder. I would benefit from the

2271
03:01:39,957 --> 03:01:43,197
third, but I can do either day by getting it

2272
03:01:43,197 --> 03:01:49,549
on Monday is a quick turnaround. Otherwise. And I have

2273
03:01:49,549 --> 03:01:55,450
county on February 3, but 01:00. And a public works

2274
03:01:55,450 --> 03:01:57,530
committee, and then I have a tour of the Golden

2275
03:01:57,530 --> 03:02:00,930
Plow Lodge and. A special council meeting at 02:00 p.m.

2276
03:02:00,930 --> 03:02:03,330
on the third, but I can. Be there in the

2277
03:02:03,330 --> 03:02:11,368
morning. Pardon? We need you here. So that's my caveat.

2278
03:02:11,368 --> 03:02:13,488
Can it be done in the morning? Can we do

2279
03:02:13,488 --> 03:02:17,721
it? We can start in the morning. We usually do

2280
03:02:17,721 --> 03:02:22,065
start in the morning. Might not get through all of

2281
03:02:22,065 --> 03:02:24,585
it, which means we'll have to probably select another date.

2282
03:02:24,585 --> 03:02:27,985
But, yeah, we can start morning in the morning and

2283
03:02:27,985 --> 03:02:28,705
see when we have to stop.

2284
03:02:40,952 --> 03:02:43,912
So maybe. Can we ask the killer centers where we're

2285
03:02:43,912 --> 03:02:48,526
having our meetings? Can. God forbid. I don't know why

2286
03:02:48,526 --> 03:02:51,006
we don't have attendance. Everybody likes to. Whatever, but we

2287
03:02:51,006 --> 03:02:53,246
don't have the attendance. Can we go back to the.

2288
03:02:54,701 --> 03:02:59,128
Town hall, council chambers. For that. It can't be hybrid

2289
03:02:59,128 --> 03:03:00,288
because we're only set up here now.

2290
03:03:23,031 --> 03:03:26,111
I can only do zoom on the 29th, and I

2291
03:03:26,111 --> 03:03:27,631
can't guarantee that I'll. Be at the desk all day.

2292
03:03:36,746 --> 03:03:38,906
The time with the binder. It's going to be like

2293
03:03:38,906 --> 03:03:46,649
the only two days. We can start with Monday on

2294
03:03:46,649 --> 03:03:49,529
February 3 and then see how far we get. And

2295
03:03:49,529 --> 03:03:51,809
then maybe you'll have more dates available at that time

2296
03:03:51,809 --> 03:03:54,049
to see when the next meeting can be. Scheduled at

2297
03:03:54,049 --> 03:04:01,680
this point. Let's just get them in calendar. I think

2298
03:04:01,680 --> 03:04:02,880
it'd be better just to get them in calendar.

2299
03:04:57,578 --> 03:05:06,377
That's the same date as the healthcare needs committee. The

2300
03:05:06,377 --> 03:05:16,302
10th. Yes, we could. And it will depend. They've invited

2301
03:05:16,302 --> 03:05:18,302
a couple of delegations to that. Meeting.

2302
03:05:31,231 --> 03:05:38,107
Only the operational budget that we're going over. Sorry. Well,

2303
03:05:38,107 --> 03:05:39,867
I meant to say that we've already addressed the issue

2304
03:05:39,867 --> 03:05:44,154
papers which do seem to tend to take longer. So

2305
03:05:44,154 --> 03:05:48,090
we have already addressed most of them. So operational budget,

2306
03:05:48,090 --> 03:05:50,370
yes, will take up few hours, but not as long

2307
03:05:50,370 --> 03:05:52,890
as it usually does because we've separated the two items

2308
03:05:52,890 --> 03:05:58,921
together. Sorry. Are we suggesting that we not put in

2309
03:05:58,921 --> 03:06:02,641
any time on February 3 and just move it to

2310
03:06:02,641 --> 03:06:04,441
the 10th or are we going to start on the

2311
03:06:04,441 --> 03:06:08,561
third with the potential of continuing on the 10th. I

2312
03:06:08,561 --> 03:06:11,001
would suggest starting on the third and then maybe do

2313
03:06:11,001 --> 03:06:13,041
half a day on the third. And maybe we can

2314
03:06:13,041 --> 03:06:16,677
start the meeting on the 10th if. You have the

2315
03:06:16,677 --> 03:06:19,037
other meeting? Maybe we can start at twelve. If an

2316
03:06:19,037 --> 03:06:21,117
hour is enough for the. Meeting. We can maybe start

2317
03:06:21,117 --> 03:06:23,917
at twelve or even one and then we can go

2318
03:06:23,917 --> 03:06:28,517
past the 05:00. Mark on February 10. That way we

2319
03:06:28,517 --> 03:06:32,246
have two days lined up for that. Through you, Madam

2320
03:06:32,246 --> 03:06:34,086
mayor, to members of council. We can also piggyback on

2321
03:06:34,086 --> 03:06:38,459
the 11th, which is your council meeting too? Your committee,

2322
03:06:38,459 --> 03:06:40,299
but we can call a special council meeting before the

2323
03:06:40,299 --> 03:06:49,676
committee meeting so that you can. Piggyback onto that. So.

2324
03:06:51,633 --> 03:06:53,273
If I may rub up. When's our binders coming to

2325
03:06:53,273 --> 03:06:57,455
us? I will try to get it Monday, Tuesday as

2326
03:06:57,455 --> 03:06:59,615
soon as possible. Just a couple of changes that I

2327
03:06:59,615 --> 03:07:02,175
have to make after the takeaways from this meeting. Just

2328
03:07:02,175 --> 03:07:04,015
need the time to make those changes. Print the binders

2329
03:07:04,015 --> 03:07:12,769
and have them ready for pickup. Early next week. Okay,

2330
03:07:12,769 --> 03:07:14,489
so that gives us a week with the binders, and

2331
03:07:14,489 --> 03:07:16,489
if we go on February 3, okay.

2332
03:07:28,886 --> 03:07:30,886
So three of mayor to members of council. It would

2333
03:07:30,886 --> 03:07:34,286
be February 3, half day we can start. As early

2334
03:07:34,286 --> 03:07:38,792
as 830 in the morning. We'll start at 830 on

2335
03:07:38,792 --> 03:07:42,632
the February the third. We'll go till weekend. You have

2336
03:07:42,632 --> 03:07:45,472
to leave by what time? Say one. No, I'm at

2337
03:07:45,472 --> 03:07:51,809
meeting strips at one. So I can go. After 1230

2338
03:07:51,809 --> 03:07:53,289
and we'll see how far we get. And then from

2339
03:07:53,289 --> 03:07:55,289
there we can. Reschedule whether we come back on the

2340
03:07:55,289 --> 03:07:57,769
10th or you can finish before committee of the whole

2341
03:07:57,769 --> 03:08:05,197
on the 11th. Sure. We'll do half day on the

2342
03:08:05,197 --> 03:08:07,037
10th. We'll book it so that you. Have it in

2343
03:08:07,037 --> 03:08:11,455
your calendars and it will start at twelve. Is that

2344
03:08:11,455 --> 03:08:16,028
okay? Sharing? I would suggest you start at one. One.

2345
03:08:16,028 --> 03:08:24,690
So we'll start at one. On the 10th. Delegation is

2346
03:08:24,690 --> 03:08:28,296
coming to that committee. Fair enough. So we'll start at

2347
03:08:28,296 --> 03:08:30,376
one on the 10th, and then we'll go. Till we

2348
03:08:30,376 --> 03:08:30,416
finish.

2349
03:08:53,152 --> 03:08:54,952
Out of a mover in a second. Or please, for

2350
03:08:54,952 --> 03:09:04,874
the confirming bylaw. Moved, Arthur. Second van acman. All

2351
03:09:04,874 --> 03:09:12,216
in favor? Aye. Arthur. Aye. Hamilton, ice driver. Benegman.

2352
03:09:14,101 --> 03:09:20,821
I. And then councilor van Egman. Oh, madamir, before you

2353
03:09:20,821 --> 03:09:24,499
go. Any idea when the public is going to get

2354
03:09:24,499 --> 03:09:33,508
a copy of the budget? The amount of mayor to

2355
03:09:33,508 --> 03:09:39,846
members of council. The meeting will be on the third,

2356
03:09:39,846 --> 03:09:45,449
so agenda will have to be posted by. This Friday.

2357
03:09:45,449 --> 03:09:52,451
Thursday. Friday of this week. Next. Week. Sorry. I'm sorry.

2358
03:09:52,451 --> 03:09:56,711
Yes. So, the 30th? Are you asking for a final?

2359
03:10:01,132 --> 03:10:05,509
Issue papers and so on have been posted online. Already.

2360
03:10:06,878 --> 03:10:12,419
The rest of the budget. Right. On the 30th. January

2361
03:10:12,419 --> 03:10:19,716
30 on the 30th. Yes, thank you. Motion to adjourn.

2362
03:10:23,716 --> 03:10:31,950
Second scriber. All in favor? Aye, Arthur. Aye. Hamilton, ice

2363
03:10:31,950 --> 03:10:34,496
driver. Benigmund. Aye.