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6 p.m
june 9th 2022 we have all commissioners

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present
together with charles red city manager

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bobby pickens our city attorney
and then we have captain ussr with the

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sheriff's department
pam taylor code enforcement and

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christina with our cra she's a cra
director everybody's here tonight

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welcome thank you for being here
commissioner banks you want to go ahead

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and meet us and
anybody stand please

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father once again we come before we give
you thanks as we give you praise after

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this commandment tonight father we
thank you for our life and our health

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and
strength watch overs and keep us safe

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while we're doing the city business
great that you bless our community each

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commissioner and yours in jesus name
amen amen

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thank you

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we have a couple of announcements um
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this saturday from two to four
the um ccdc has a

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that expert that is coming to town
commissioner burton you want to just

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mention what she's going to be giving
the talk on from two to

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and how four actually help the
environment community and um

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conservation
uh it's it's pretty

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we talked about it it's very informative
it's for all ages too by the way

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her name is uh sherry is it clark
she's the uh president of the

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conservative right i would say i want to
say

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yeah conservancy thank you uh of uh
so

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hopefully
and that's going to be over at the

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historic um
society's building

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in the former middle school
i believe you can go in the back door

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you can go in the back parking lot

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i don't know if any of you have ever
gone to gainesville

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and witnessed they have two big bat
houses there but they are fascinating

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i avoid them because they do get caught
in my hair

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um
you know it's one of those

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things you have to be careful of but
looking forward to that on saturday this

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saturday
we've also got juneteenth coming up and

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uh angel duke is going to be here she's
going to give us a presentation on that

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and that's going to be the following
saturday

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and that's going to be an evil lions
park

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i'm sorry saturday sunday
and then of course our farmers market i

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don't know how many of you have been to
our farmers and um

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art market but we have it on the fourth
saturday of every month we've had our

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second one with a tremendous turnout
and that is all going to be on the 25th

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and that's going to be from nine in the
morning until two

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that same day busy day in crescent city
we've got red white and boone

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which is hosted by the yacht club of
course they get a lot of sponsors

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including our cra for that
um

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and that's going to be our fireworks in
celebration of the fourth of july here

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in crescent city so please be sure to
come out for that i know they're going

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to have the street clothes from park
and uh there'll be a lot of vendors and

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hopefully some food trucks down there
that afternoon and evening

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to um for those that come out
and then this saturday on sunday i

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apologize at crescent city kennel
they're going to be hosting the shots

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for the animals from 12 to 2.
so anybody that needs shots

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they can come out
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i want to say last weekend we had a lot
going on in crescent city

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but last weekend we had our cops kids
and kayaks

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um hosted by the sheriff's department
tremendous amount of work goes into that

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it's all volunteer
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we had a great turnout um i believe
everybody enjoyed once again the weather

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held out
and uh very very thankful for that

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so it was a great turnout and we're
going to work on some things from next

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year and hopefully being able to provide
the children some free meals so we've

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got some people that have stepped up and
said they wanted to be sponsors and cook

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for the children so the children can
have a free meal

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but it was a great day and then i want
to personally think

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we had um
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a national honor society
16 16 total

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okay 16 total national honor society uh
high schoolers that came in and they

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were two days here in town they worked
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tuesday and wednesday on tuesday they
pressure washed the sidewalks some of

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the sidewalks and the uh gazebo over
evil lions park

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double worked here in the office and
then some of them painted finished

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painting the wall over at dexter park
the next day they came in and they

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worked with both karen and christina
working on things here in the office and

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putting some boxes away and moving some
things back and forth so it was a

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tremendous help and
we are most appreciative always

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appreciated for that
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and i think with that
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we're going to go ahead and get started
so let's start with um

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go to your agenda we've got approval of
the minutes

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got the approval of may 10
2022 those are our boat rv trailer

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workshop minutes
motion

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okay we have a motion and we have a
second do we have any discussion

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i would like to insert responding to
commissioner vito's question

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um because what went on there was
something that i initiated so thank you

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again
thank you for bringing that to our

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attention thank you very much
yes page three uh third paragraph put

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down that go for the words body picking
just put the words responding to

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commissioner to do this question
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okay karen
did you get that changed

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okay so we have a change do you we
accept that in your emotion i do

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with changes
yes okay so we have any other changes

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any other comments
hearing none we have a motion we have a

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second all in favor say aye
okay motion carries

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let's go to may 12 2022 we have a
branding workshop

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minutes
line of motion

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we have a motion in a second do we have

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any discussion
okay

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all in favor say aye all right
okay

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may 12 same day 2022 special events
workshop

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we have a motion nice
motion in a second any discussion

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all in favor say aye
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may 12 2022 our regular commission
meeting and our cra meeting those are

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those minutes do i have a motion
all right

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okay
we have a second do we have any

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discussions

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seeing no discussion all in favor say hi
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may 31st 2022 commission joint meeting
and that was with our concerned citizens

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of south putnam
so do we have a motion

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we have a motion and a second any
discussion

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all in favor say aye

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at that time we're going to go into and
let's um we've got some

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our recognition proclamations and
presentation uh

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angel
duke i believe is going to speak to us

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about juneteenth give us an update on
that so angel if you want to come

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forward and then after that i've got a
special guest here that i would also

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like to recognize i don't think amen it
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clarity
oh okay we're going to put you want to

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introduce her then
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mary lou we'll introduce you to that
time

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okay i if you will just do me a favor
angel and pull that microphone down i

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know this you're having some there you
go thank you

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good evening everyone

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i would be um if i did not want to do it
anyway

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oh i forgot something and you'll do it

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for the report

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no of course

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uh we don't have the same team that we
had

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two years ago because we knew for two
years

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what's exciting to say the least
last year

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i think
everyone probably screamed we found out

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that

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i was being uh as a national federal
holiday

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so i told the team listen
don't feel up to it but we're gonna push

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through it we're trying to get through
the email because i set the

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requests

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national federal holiday
and nobody's stepping forward we

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couldn't afford to do that
some people are exciting the gym team

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um park will be open with all kinds of
activities we have some really young

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people working because now for me
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um juneteenth in the morning
of our christmas giving came to this

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june 19th
we are celebrating this team at pastor

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reeds churches we call the randolph
church you guys are welcome to come out

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around different types of keto pinot
speaking speaking

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um
what i decided to do

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is we can't bring everybody to us
we felt we would take the voices of the

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churches throughout the community so i
spoke to seven churches already about at

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11 58 a.m
the pause

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are
to ring their bell for the chimes

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letting the world know at this point
will kind of

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know
that we are all in accord

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with the freedom of uh slaves etcetera
etcetera and that'll be able to bring

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the community together also the one
choice they're going to have the next

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church they're already supposed to pass
the banks and a couple of people in all

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of that agreement so i think that moment
actually

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will be the highlight of jimmy
i hope you guys like that yeah what do

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you think i love it well you have three
bells in

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crescent city right up town
have they agreed i spoke to uh

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saint john's uh baptist church
and he's on vacation

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there's someone there young lady has
been

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sitting in prison
fastest phone call

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presbyterian church right next to it

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and the episcopal church i felt i was
going through the fast

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so did you have a
letter going out and asked

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just before the church starts since the

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church starts okay i'm sorry i put down
11 58. okay that's the highlight

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and that will be the church on sunday
we'll continue back into the park we've

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got several great vendors
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as opposed to arts and crafts

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so what time should they people come to
the park

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at one o'clock okay i just want to make
sure we get the time right now okay

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someone earned
um and things of that nature and

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understanding that but the official uh
event starts

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yeah
i'm sorry

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i'm sorry i don't know i was just

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thinking to myself another great thing
that's happened i've been missing not

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mentioning this because um as mr pickens
mentioned

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six weeks ago when you do the dedication
ceremony we had to postpone the

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installation of these programs off the
morning of this time because of the

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management of a horse
so the time is upon us i'm excited

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uh i've met with mr pickens myself and
myself

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to know exactly where they were
strategically

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um that's my saturday
june 18

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at 10 a.m in the morning
okay and that's going to be

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um
and you told them exactly where they

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need to where they need to be out right
if they want to go out there for the end

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they're going to have the insulation and
he's going to have the actual

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okay there's only one right
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we don't live

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the end of the journey
as you know for the past 10 to 11 years

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we have been celebrating hillary clinton
usually around your teeth

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and think about the table what they're
doing in the past it was taught by

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journey
but the journey is coming to an end

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exactly
and the end of this journey is now we

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have a beautiful highway son
that speaks for all that we've done for

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the past 10 to 11 years however
a girlfriend don't want to be done of

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course we've got starvatron scholarship
program

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and the state president miss lovette
um she probably knows samuel also but we

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can't make it random
forward so not just a name with liberal

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zionists
he's still having so many people around

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the world just to make things today so
we want to be an anchor

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for that by pushing it forward and
inviting our people to our bacterials

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okay
after the sun

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ceremony ceremony

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lunch and we have a jazz band that was
serenading them

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um

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that church is using the name church
okay

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thank you very much
any questions

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thank you good thank you thank you very

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much
angel something um angel i think it's

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all very exciting and i just wanted to
let you know

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on my phone um
i attended the first presbyterian church

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the little one behind baptist church
we have a bell

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we get out of church at 10 our church is
early but i have already sent a message

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to our clerk and our pastor to let them
know that you'll be contacting them

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because it's extremely exciting yeah
thank you very much those are the bells

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and the chinese
i received the phone call someone wanted

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to at least
not just presidency

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so can you imagine all the kind
of you

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know
let me ask you how long do you want the

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belts to rain

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she has the end of the baptist church
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thank you you take care of yourself we
appreciate you coming

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okay with that
i mentioned some time ago

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do you want to go ahead and introduce

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every week she's an interactive resident

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i'll let her
introduce herself to you

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good evening my name is mary lou pickles
um as

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mr rudd said i live in interlaken so i
will be kind of like your local

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representative for a clarion
i've spent

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all day here trying to you know
familiarize myself with everything and

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it's been a long day
but briefly about myself i am retired i

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was the office director of financial
services at the board of management

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district st john's in galactica
for over 21 years had different

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different
job titles but my last one was the

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director of financial services
previous to that i was the budget

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director so i have a lot of familiarity
with uh governmental uh budgeting and

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accounting
and i look forward to

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working with mr wright and his staff and
helping out

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thank you
welcome

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welcome we're excited to have you yes
very excited i know charles is too very

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excited and we're glad you're so close

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but it's definitely close i think the
person before was like two and a half

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three hours yeah
yeah at least an hour is a little doable

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and we're very very very very
appreciative so thank you okay thank you

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okay with that i mentioned a couple of
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some time ago but as we see
citizens and in the city doing things

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that out of the ordinary it's just
taking their special time to do

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something we've gotten
a lot of incredible volunteers um

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christina
with the partnership i'm just so pleased

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with the amount of volunteers that show
up week after week after week and the

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excitement that they have and so we're
forever grateful for them but there was

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one lady that
stood out for me

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several months ago
lisa roddenberry and i were

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over at dexter park i decided that we
needed to paint that wall

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and you know when you stand there at
dexter park and you look at that wall it

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doesn't look too big
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that wall is
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it's a mile long it is a mile long like
we'll

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knock this out by noon lisa
so lisa and i showed up there paint

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brushes in hand
and as i looked down i'm like lisa i

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think we got to clean this thing first
oh and then we gotta sweep it you know

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so i had a little broom out there and it
was not a good room either it was just a

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regular grip
well

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we started on our endeavor and in doing
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this
little lady walked over to us and she

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said so what are y'all doing today
she said well

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we're gonna try to paint this wall
and she saw me sweep a little bit

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and she was out doing her morning walk
so she walks that park every day she

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loves the sidewalks and um
she she loves to walk that park and

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next thing i know i set the broom down
and went back to painting and we were

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talking to her about her her daughter
and and what she's been doing and and

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next thing i know she picked up that
broom

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and i tell you she cleaned that wall
and she cleaned that sidewalk so that

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lisa and i just had to go in and paint
it and that's not an easy task i did it

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this last week for those
students that were there painting it and

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i have
even more of an appreciation for her so

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miss emily if you will step up here we
would like to recognize you today

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so

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and it took you quite a while didn't it
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lisa and i talked about her all day how
she made our job so much easier

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and so with that
it is our pleasure to give you a

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certificate of appreciation the city of
crescent city we award emily williams

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for her dedication for community spirit
and hard work towards making crescent

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city

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watch the wires i know and we have to
watch the wires everybody so as you come

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around here just be careful please don't
step on the wire

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and i'll tell you she just didn't
hesitate as a matter of fact she saw

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somebody walking along and she
encouraged them

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but i'll tell you what if anybody wants
to see a beautiful yard with flowers and

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shrubs she does a beautiful job in her
yard so emily we just so appreciate

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everything you do
today present footy the best

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911

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so thank you you know and she just sets
the examples for others to follow so we

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thank her for coming out today and um

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so we'll

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as you'll see on the second page there

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is
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and the difference between last last

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month and this month because we had no
crime reported

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last month and five this month so the
big increase there is just about

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luckily sitting in digit 9.

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identified and

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charged mary lane leclair of georgetown
for entering that vehicle

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uh and that's waiting on the state
attorney's office to uh

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finish up what they're going to do on
that case so they've had been charged

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the second one was at 223 north summit
street

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the church full of cover it was a
burglary again

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thank you for mr benny norris was
arrested with that

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we've been having a little bit of
trouble with benny norris lake and i've

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been trying to look out for some other
different resources things

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as you know taking somebody to jail is
not nearly just a band-aid if it's an

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issue
then he's got some other issues that

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some mental health issues that we need
we need to address

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right now i'm trying to get the state
attorney's office because we've worked

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another crowd in this month with family
stolen advice

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but working with the state attorney's
office to try to revoke his bond get him

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back in jail we had a lot of mental
health services in the jail i think it

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would be a great benefit i've reached
out to several different resources

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they don't seem too helpful
or wanting to get involved so i think

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this is probably going to be my best
course and actually i can think of

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major scott cersei in jail has
implemented a lot of mental health

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programs that i think will be
instrumental in his rehabilitation so

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that's kind of where we are with mr
norris

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can i interrupt you i was thinking about
him like this today

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the bicycle he has is that his now
the bicycle he has now is that used the

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green one uh-huh yes ma'am

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that's the one he originally
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just either had a ride into town and
just steal someone else's bicycle and

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get back so there's a lot of history
that i have though mr norris i've had

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many conversations we'll even have many
conversations with the fan and family

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just trying to find some type of a
recourse i offered services out to them

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to get them to try to take charge of
this and it's been just a tough battle

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for me so we were looking outside the
box to try to get them some help

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did you call it

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the next one was a vehicle death at 9 15
cedar street i won't say this

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individual's name but this individual is
involved in two of the crimes that are

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here one is uh the 849. the vehicle
that's there is the same one in the

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vehicle test so gentleman leaves his car
the keys inside of the car unlocked

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this gentleman found the opportunity he
gets into an altercation

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here
he goes into palakka

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ends up trying to come back and
reconcile

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seeks refuge in a family member's house
they did not want him there so when they

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got up and seen that he was there he had
a lead

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uh it's the reason the vehicle virtually
happens a couple of days before when he

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goes to placa he comes back so now he
doesn't know where to go so he's got to

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get
the car was stolen from

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from cedar street and was since
recovered in palatka to one of his

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knowledge near one of his known
associates house

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so in my opinion once i get some of the
the

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evidence off this card that was
collected hopefully it will be able to

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identify the children
and we will have a 100 percent solid

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building credits

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any questions only that's hard

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i had to go there i had to go
pick that one up

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yes sir

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i don't know

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this is one of the locations that we

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commonly recover stolen vehicles so they
know where to hide these things where

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they can get back to them

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does this building need some kind of a
grant for better security because baja

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taco seems to be an incredibly frequent
market

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it is and luckily for hot taco they uh i
don't know how they do it but every time

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someone has been a victim of a crime it
has been solved they have one of the

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best state-of-the-art camera systems
that i have seen in crescent city

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um as a matter of fact when this
individual broke into the establishment

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he actually broke into the bathroom at
first because he didn't know he was

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breaking
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one of the owners or workers of the
business drives up

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he runs behind the shed around back and
hides

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she leaves he comes back out and breaks
in the ball on top of the game

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if you remember in times past this is
three times broken atop all tacos

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because they were hungry
the church burglaries that we've had

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what was removed from the church was
food

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so you know
again i

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also spent some of my time in the

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any other questions

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no injury reported
a period of car left the roadway and get

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a car was trying to make a u-turn in the
grass there and the other part was

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coming back off the radar street
second one was at summit and lake grove

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two-bedroom crashed with minor injuries
the car pulled out in front of the

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motorcycle i was traveling south on
summer street

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i was 17 at junction road it was raining
really heavy this day

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and two vehicles were traveling north
into crescent city just before they

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came up on that the hill there in
crescent city i say city lights but they

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start a little further south
as they're coming up that hill he

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notices that there's someone turning on
the junction road wasn't paying

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attention runs off

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and last but not least vernon avenue and
grand rondo single vehicle crash with

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minor injuries
governor lee elderly lady was traveling

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uh westbound on camera 308
and where the road takes the return

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right here at grand rondo
she just kept going straight

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single vehicle
crashed the next pages here are the

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general activities the 229 c is uh
general calls for service that's all

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calls and presidency that's including
the

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officer initiated as well
traffic stops were a little low so i had

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a meeting with consultants on this i
want to bring these numbers up

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so that number i was not happy with but
we should see an increase next month and

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then
traffic crashes again we have four

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traffic crashes and the guys checked out
with

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went up
the traffic stops went down so we should

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see a little increase i wasn't happy
with

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that next month

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it looks there's not really any

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consistency there
it's all up and down as

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i said before
we have zero affordable crimes in my

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state of affordable crime reported to
the department of law enforcement

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after
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um

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any questions on those numbers

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yours says four and the reason why i say
that i'm sorry i stand corrected here

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the burglary was miscounted
i had to add a burglary there because

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when i pulled this report it wasn't on
there yet so i had to add one there was

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actually two burglaries
one vehicle theft

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two thefts
which was a total of five and you're

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seeing four there that you have to add

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okay
any more questions

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yeah about a captain about two months
ago or maybe a month

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um
i was coming back from a coffee break in

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the morning
and

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a big dead cow

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was on the corner of
gran rondo as he getting ready to go

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around that lake now i don't know how in
the world that big old guy got there

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but he looked like he was

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wrapped around the pool
oh let's grab one yeah right there uh

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call from cobra's paw okay what country
is

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a cat
a huge cow

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location
inside the city i don't know what he

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came out

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you didn't get no information

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social media website you can see
something like that normally because

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that's
i don't know that i've ever drove up one

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of the seasons
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when i came back first time when deputy
was there and the next time i've come by

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deputy where

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[Laughter]

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wow
i'll look into that and i'll get you an

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answer

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i've just received some complaints
between fridays and saturdays

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it doesn't really appear
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that we have

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deputies around

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the main complaints uh really they go
down

468
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:36,400
towards magnolia
on the north side and then i think down

469
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:41,119
with orange street
on the south side

470
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:45,839
uh where there's just um
there's a lot of drag racing

471
00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:49,680
um like i said
somewhere down i think it's lime street

472
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,800
that area
um

473
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:56,240
there's and i was
i'm not sure what they're called but

474
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:04,160
[Music]
and

475
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:07,920
different various people brought this to
my attention

476
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:11,520
you know they've made calls and i was
the person that brought this attention

477
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:16,560
once before as well
um but they're not getting any call back

478
00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:21,200
they're not getting um they don't feel
that there's

479
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:24,160
anybody listening to them
and i'm not making excuses but i have

480
00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:28,160
had
numerous emails

481
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:31,520
this week instead also
okay and also last week

482
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:36,319
about
non-returning phone calls

483
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:39,200
actually the undersheriff himself called
me about one particular person which is

484
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,640
this person who's not one of the
commissioners in the plane

485
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:46,960
and what i found was when i was calling
these these individuals back

486
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:51,520
one actually had me blocked because they
thought i was spamming

487
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:55,040
so we are having a big challenge right
now with all the spam calls and my

488
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:58,000
deputies when they call the number back
they're usually using their personal

489
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,720
cell phone number and they're going to
call you from a block number

490
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:04,160
so
that's a that's an issue i'm going to

491
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:08,000
have to figure out i'm getting a lot of
calls about follow us on and this has

492
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:11,599
just started
i've been in this business for 20 years

493
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,760
and this is the first time i've had the
influx of

494
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,880
i
these people aren't calling me back and

495
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:21,119
my deputies are saying yes i am calling
these people back

496
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:23,920
we use the star 67 so maybe that is
something that is happening they're

497
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:27,839
seeing a strange number because it's not
the sheriff's office number or they're

498
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:32,160
seeing a block number come through and i
know a lot of times when i block a

499
00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:35,760
number it literally was i called my two
so i got two cell phones one's my

500
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:40,240
personal and one of my business
if i block my number from one cell phone

501
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:43,680
to the other it will say spam risk
if i block that number

502
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:48,160
so that's one of the challenges that
we're running into

503
00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:52,960
so i'm not saying that that's an excuse
but that has been a big problem lately

504
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:56,480
that's a huge problem well maybe maybe
we can try and help

505
00:48:54,559 --> 00:49:02,160
help you with that i mean there are
certain numbers that you use to call

506
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:06,160
back with correct if they go back to
the challenge so if they know if the

507
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:09,200
deputy calls back into the dispatch and
gets a patch

508
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,480
okay that's very time consuming so
definitely a lot of times we'll just use

509
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:15,680
the star 67 everybody knows that
blockchain number and they will call

510
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:19,520
that person back
that person says family is going to fall

511
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,480
for an unknown number
they're most likely not going to answer

512
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:26,480
them most likely they're probably going
to be looking for a sheriff's office one

513
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:31,570
would be calling them back so it's a
it's a challenge i have right now so

514
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:34,689
um
[Music]

515
00:49:36,850 --> 00:49:47,280
[Music]
so if i find out they're not

516
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:50,319
then you have an issue but every time
i've had

517
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:53,440
the same thing happen
my deputies

518
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:58,000
give you their phone this is what i
would recall this is the number i called

519
00:49:55,599 --> 00:50:02,240
back i don't know why they didn't answer
so i have had one that said i didn't

520
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,920
call that the truth was wrong so i just
didn't call them back i didn't think

521
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:08,079
about it i got busy okay trying to do it
again

522
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,359
but about
i would say eighty percent of the judges

523
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,160
that i have that they are able to show
you on their phones where they tried to

524
00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:17,680
call
their friends back and they didn't get

525
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:21,599
an answer back now should they call two
or three times um you know

526
00:50:19,450 --> 00:50:27,079
[Music]
it's a challenge for me right now okay

527
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,079
so we're working on that

528
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:36,079
a peak hours i guess those would be
what on during the weekend do you

529
00:50:33,359 --> 00:50:41,040
consider the peak hours
probably

530
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:45,119
as far as well yeah
i mean do you have a consideration for

531
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:48,319
what we would consider
when we need two officers our two

532
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,280
deputies on
um during the week one during the

533
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:55,400
weekend is it
friday night saturday night

534
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:03,119
just just depends it just depends
i mean i'm just i just didn't know if

535
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,680
that's something that if if they're not
seeing them

536
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,079
um
you know i mean

537
00:51:10,020 --> 00:51:16,270
[Music]

538
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:26,480
so i have means where if somebody says
our deputies aren't going to a certain

539
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:29,440
place i can show you
yeah and

540
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:34,720
believe me
that they're out there i mean

541
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,720
but for whatever reason

542
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:40,960
especially with no callback i think
i just don't feel that

543
00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:45,520
right there
so if you have those individuals

544
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:50,720
you just give me a name and phone number
and enter a quick email or give them to

545
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:54,880
charles and i'll try to figure out
but that is a big challenge for me right

546
00:51:52,319 --> 00:51:57,440
now especially because i have so many
people that

547
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:00,880
i'm not trying to put my head up i have
so many people that want to talk to me

548
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:04,280
that it's i've seen how much of a
challenge it is

549
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:13,800
thank you thank you
commissioner

550
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:28,000
um i do have a question to ask you about
people who are on the streets

551
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:32,079
um it seemed like for about the past two
months um everywhere i

552
00:52:30,839 --> 00:52:36,960
looked um
my husband i live on south main street

553
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:40,319
right around the lake park and
going up to the post office

554
00:52:39,359 --> 00:52:43,440
there's
there's been a very unfortunate

555
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:48,079
gentleman in a wheelchair
living on the street he's been to the

556
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:51,040
hospital they weren't trying to
have a chat with the fire department

557
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:55,440
about this
um there was someone

558
00:52:53,680 --> 00:53:00,079
basically
staying full-time in the evo during the

559
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:06,000
day in the lion's
yelling and screaming i wonder if he was

560
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:10,720
the person who broke into the church by
any chance

561
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:16,960
he was very threatening and
i called a number of times

562
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:21,520
and then i've spoken to um
and seen quite a few people who are

563
00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:25,200
pretty obviously homeless just in this
central area

564
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:30,160
in the last week
i haven't seen before the person in the

565
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:33,839
wheelchair for all i know is deceased
but the other people that i'm not seeing

566
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:38,160
i'm wondering
um is that because of contact with law

567
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:42,400
enforcement have you all tried to
provide those services or is it just

568
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:46,240
happenstance that i'm not seeing them
now we the german that's in the

569
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:51,839
wheelchair he is
has a very bad medical condition

570
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:57,040
and i have tried my best to get this
gentleman to get received some type of

571
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,040
help and he's just not happy

572
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:07,680
is he the gentleman that was over okay
now they did take him because i did talk

573
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:10,400
to and the deputy called took care of
the medic and they did take him to the

574
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:14,240
hospital
and he was they admitted him

575
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:18,000
they didn't admit him and that was a
couple that was last week but this has

576
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:21,359
been multiple times yeah i know he's
gone multiple times but i know he hasn't

577
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,330
been back since
right yeah

578
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:29,119
so
[Music]

579
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:33,440
right
family members uh seek a

580
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:38,000
marching band for him he was taken into
custody and transported him over to

581
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:41,440
flagler hospital for mental
for a neural evaluation

582
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,799
and i haven't seen him back around so
that may work you may have got hamilton

583
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,599
medication dying back in the right track
or

584
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:53,760
seeking some medical nursing
mental health assistance to get in there

585
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:58,799
quite frankly
for about a week or two

586
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:03,119
when i and others would call
we got a lot of pushback

587
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:07,520
from the deputies
i mean they just basically told us

588
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:11,760
don't worry about it you know whatever
and it was pretty obvious to those of us

589
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:14,079
in the area that he had some serious
issues

590
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:25,339
we had no reason to take his
identification

591
00:55:20,530 --> 00:55:25,339
[Music]

592
00:55:30,799 --> 00:55:36,400
i'm glad it worked out i'm glad to know
that you did take it seriously even

593
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:40,240
though it did not come here but you did
because it was whatever and then there

594
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:46,480
have been some other people who were
very needy and obviously a problem but

595
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:58,240
i have no idea where they've been but
there's just

596
00:55:48,010 --> 00:56:02,160
[Music]
good people aren't necessarily hilarious

597
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:06,480
they have problems
sorry anyway just

598
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:12,240
thank you for the information
okay anything else

599
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:18,480
um just i wanted to say i agree there is
a lot of partying and drag racing

600
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:22,640
particularly off of grandmother
sometimes like here at saturday or even

601
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:26,559
sunday night
um i don't always call i don't always

602
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:31,839
have an opportunity to call
um but on i think i said this last week

603
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:37,119
there is there is quite a bit of what
commissioner described

604
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:41,760
that's all i know
and with that i'm going to convince

605
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:45,359
the captain because we've had several
residents that have come in here and

606
00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:50,319
that they they've been concerned about
the traffic and the speed

607
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:54,319
um i was i was actually on a mayor's
zoom across the state

608
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:58,319
and that was they said their number one
problem all communities around the state

609
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:03,359
really around the nation right now are
dealing with is speeding

610
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:07,440
um and trying to
find solutions to that another one of

611
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:13,200
course is noise
um but captain when

612
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:18,240
he has gone to numerous homes and he has
sat with people

613
00:57:15,359 --> 00:57:18,240
with his radar

614
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:25,040
and um very appreciative that you've
taken that time out of your day just to

615
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:28,960
kind of help them
you know better be

616
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:34,079
able to better gauge actually what's
speeding and what seems like speeding

617
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:38,720
um a lot of these cars are loud and they
sound like it i mean i live on the back

618
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:43,359
side of summit so i hear
you know constantly in my back you know

619
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:47,200
in the backyard and um so does
commissioner burt and she lives right

620
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:51,680
off the summit also and
it's it's you know you but sometimes

621
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:55,200
they're just loud and it just you think
they're speeding and actually they're

622
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:59,040
not that i just want to commend you and
thank you for taking that time

623
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:03,040
and just being respectful of the
concerns that the residents have it

624
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:06,400
means a tremendous amount and we are
trying our best to educate these people

625
00:58:04,799 --> 00:58:11,440
with these loud exhausts especially
modified because modified and and stock

626
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,559
exhaust are different but as you as
everyone knows these high performance

627
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:18,880
vehicles they're building these days
they come with loud exhausts just like

628
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:22,960
your motorcycle going on the roads that
is from the manufacturing into the

629
00:58:20,799 --> 00:58:25,520
manufacturer's specs and when they take
off from these red lights they sound

630
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,599
like they are
tearing the roads up but in reality

631
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:33,200
they're doing the speed but it sounds
like a rift

632
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:38,720
uh so it's it's challenging but we're uh
we're working on i promise you that

633
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:42,880
thank you very much we appreciate it any
other questions

634
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,359
okay
with that

635
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:48,000
very good

636
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:53,680
okay now we're going to move into public
comments so at this time i'm going to

637
00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:58,079
open up public comments if we have any
public comments from

638
00:58:55,440 --> 00:59:02,240
the audience um you have three minutes
please come up state your name state

639
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:06,799
your address speak into the mic and
please address the commission and not

640
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,799
the audience

641
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:13,119
i know it's hard for me to remember just
to say it

642
00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:18,720
my name is rick preiter
436 south prospect street

643
00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:21,280
my domicile is right in the middle of
all this stuff you all discuss and i

644
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:24,079
thought it was
to kind of get up here right after what

645
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:27,680
he said
because i had experience

646
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:33,359
last saturday morning at 2 30 where i
did have an officer talk back

647
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:37,359
very professional and
kind of gave me their input on

648
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:42,240
why
we can't seem to get a handle on the

649
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:48,720
noise here in town
i let things go until midnight but i've

650
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:53,839
learned over the last few years in the
20 plus times that

651
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:57,680
my family has called
either the crescent city police or the

652
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:03,359
sheriff's department
to report excessive noise

653
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:08,400
if i don't start early
the chances of getting that resolved are

654
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:12,400
slimmed and not
so

655
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:17,359
the deputy went by
and notify these folks that uh it's too

656
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:22,079
loud and this is a situation where
people are

657
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:28,319
playing their stereo outside
this noise is not coming from inside

658
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:31,599
it's coming from outside of and then
when they decide to get onto their

659
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:37,760
public address system
and start screening that just

660
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:40,480
intensifies the situation
so

661
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:44,319
three times
the deputy went out there to inform

662
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:48,480
these folks
that uh

663
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:53,359
the music is too loud
i finally passed out from exhaustion at

664
01:00:51,040 --> 01:01:01,200
like 3 30 or 4 o'clock in the morning
and the music was still going

665
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,200
now we have an ordinance

666
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:08,079
that you know in the time i've been here
i've heard every reason in the world why

667
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:14,079
this isn't being forced
but today i can tell you that the

668
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:19,040
mechanism to address this
is not it's not there

669
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:23,200
and i don't know what it's going to take
to finally get

670
01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:26,880
you know personalize this video i've got
to do something to move on

671
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:33,920
i mean i'm really to the point where i'm
ready to put my house on the market and

672
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:38,960
leave here
because this happens i can set my watch

673
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,960
on when this is

674
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:53,920
that i live here and i pay taxes and on
top of those taxes i pay an enhanced the

675
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:58,000
law enforcement services and and they're
handcuffed

676
01:01:55,359 --> 01:02:01,680
around enforcing
and

677
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:06,240
being punitive toward people to help
them understand that

678
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:12,720
in a civilized society your rights to
play your music so loud do not

679
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:16,640
override the rights of somebody else in
the community

680
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:21,599
to be able to have peace and quiet in
order to sleep

681
01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:26,720
thank you thank you
may i make a comment please yes um mr

682
01:02:24,799 --> 01:02:31,839
banks you'll remember this when we were
working on this uh ordinance

683
01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:34,640
the problem was we're working with the
sheriff's department and our police

684
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:38,880
department
is

685
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,880
we could not

686
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:44,640
measure the decibels
and we could not enforce it do you

687
01:02:43,359 --> 01:02:50,720
remember that
and i've always found that odd because

688
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:56,000
if it's too loud
too loud it's too low

689
01:02:52,640 --> 01:03:00,000
i agree we should be able to say you
can't do that

690
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:04,880
or you have to move to somewhere else or
whatever but it i'll tell you what with

691
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:09,119
our lake this little light bag here like
stella particularly

692
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:13,920
if it's happening over there i'm hearing
it upstairs in my house because that

693
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:22,240
water amplifies it
so it's all over the town and we should

694
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:28,559
captain ussr is there any way or any way
to add that to that ordinance

695
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:31,119
specific sandwich
i'm going to ask

696
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,760
and it's
never been able to be

697
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:50,799
enforceable because
of that

698
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:54,720
measuring decibels and so we do that so
we do have a decimal meter it is

699
01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:58,559
stationed at the crescent city office
the weekend that this happened it was

700
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:02,079
not because i had in my position
going around town and seeing what the

701
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:05,359
decimal levels actually sounded like so
we got the deputies when they came out

702
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,920
and got a general knowledge i could say
okay

703
01:04:06,319 --> 01:04:10,640
i need to i need the decimal here
instead of coming all the way up here

704
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:14,799
and getting here because if they take it
anywhere else because the city is fine

705
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,599
but if they have to go to east
collectively they're gonna come all the

706
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:21,680
way down to crescent city and come back
so they can kind of be a judge before

707
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:26,240
coming and getting them either so
secondly speaking on the most limits

708
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:29,760
itself we've been spending a pretty good
amount of time having spoken with you

709
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:32,400
about it something there um trying to
figure out

710
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:35,599
the right process and i don't want to
spill the beans if somebody would like

711
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:39,599
to have some private conversations on
this i don't want to spill the means of

712
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:42,240
how that that process actually works
right now

713
01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:47,440
we can't issue citations but we're
working on we're working on the process

714
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:50,319
um and i really don't want to go into a
whole lot of meat and potatoes of that

715
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:54,799
right now
just because i don't want

716
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:59,359
everybody to know kind of the way the
process works right now so

717
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:03,920
um once we we're not sure how this is
going to go so once we

718
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:08,480
come up with a good plan of enforcement
then we'll um obviously

719
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:11,839
obviously it's a problem to us
i've also been in contact with the uh

720
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:15,599
the courthouse
where the powers to be to figure out

721
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:19,839
who's going to be regulating these
citations and what that process is so

722
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:34,389
we're on it i was hoping to have that
earlier by this week it's just

723
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:34,389
[Music]

724
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:41,760
cite manage whatever you want to call it
privileged sound

725
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:47,039
and amplify sounds and presidency
well that's good news because we've been

726
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:50,560
battling this for years
and it's just

727
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:56,480
and
[Music]

728
01:05:55,680 --> 01:06:00,960
so
and it's been the same thing yes and

729
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:05,359
it's time to get it fixed i think
there's a way around it

730
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:09,520
all right excellent question thanks kind
of picking back off uh the commissioner

731
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:13,599
westmove you've been having that problem
correction for years

732
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:17,280
and we even had the state's attorney
office

733
01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:20,400
searching for answers and they couldn't
come up with a

734
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:23,760
good answer
it looked like the problem is still

735
01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:28,400
raining
in automobiles or

736
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:33,359
where we
kind of judged by the automobile but in

737
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:38,559
an individual house
playing live music they couldn't come up

738
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:43,200
with the judge the automobile every time
they see the stock come and the police

739
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:48,160
car comes they cut it out
right

740
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:52,960
time you get back down the road boom
there you go again

741
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:57,200
it was kind of hard
but the community just was upset about

742
01:06:55,599 --> 01:07:01,119
that
and we were trying to do everything

743
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:05,440
possible
everything possible to try to get an

744
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:09,440
answer for it but we could not get the
law

745
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:14,799
a law anywhere that would help us
so i'm not trying to say

746
01:07:12,319 --> 01:07:19,119
uh we can't do anything about it it's
been something i'm really hoping

747
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:25,039
whatever you're working on works i think
it will and like i said we are

748
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,039
ending our citation

749
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:31,839
what happens after that citation is what
we're judged by

750
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:34,880
and you are just like i am your people
of accountability

751
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:38,640
when we go issue that citation i want to
make sure they're held accountable for

752
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:41,770
those actions so that's what i'm working
on it's not just the citation part not

753
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:45,900
just
[Music]

754
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:53,520
and i i live just right down the road
from this provider and so i know exactly

755
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:56,480
which house he's talking about and i get
phone calls from neighbors

756
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,440
um
i don't wait till midnight i start at 10

757
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:03,039
o'clock
you know if i'm going to start making

758
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:06,240
phone calls start at 10 o'clock and i
figure after 10 o'clock kind of like you

759
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:09,200
shouldn't have that phone call after 9
o'clock

760
01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:13,520
after 10 o'clock that music should shut
down but um

761
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:17,520
you know i spoke to uh
mayor um

762
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:22,480
watts
over in malacca and they are currently

763
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:26,640
working on their ordinance and
something and that was the big question

764
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:29,520
is where do you put you know what kind
of teeth are you putting in this

765
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:35,279
ordinance
so that people will understand that they

766
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:40,960
just can't do this and get a citation
that this is going to really impact them

767
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:45,199
if they continue and so he's he shared
some things with me and i know as we go

768
01:08:42,799 --> 01:08:49,120
forward and we have kicked this can down
the road quite a bit i know as far as

769
01:08:47,440 --> 01:08:52,159
i've had the noise ordinance sitting on
my desk

770
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:56,799
for some time and so maybe now is the
time that

771
01:08:53,679 --> 01:09:00,880
that we either workshop it or or we move
forward and figure out some way to do

772
01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:04,880
this i we had a gentleman that's right
outside in the county and he came in the

773
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:09,520
office the other day and just like mr
fighter he is just

774
01:09:06,719 --> 01:09:13,199
exasperated and he is talking to anybody
he's even talking to mayor what up mayor

775
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:18,400
watts i don't know why people aren't
calling him mayor west but mayor watts

776
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:21,839
and i said well well lack is a long ways
he's south of presidency that's a long

777
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:25,520
ways away because i'm going to talk to
anybody that will help me we've been

778
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,560
dealing with this
and

779
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:32,159
so it's it's all over
and i know the county struggles with it

780
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:36,319
as well as far as trying to figure this
out but um thank you for bringing this

781
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:42,480
to our attention
once again and um i think

782
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:48,480
he's right we need to we need to start
when we think figure this out

783
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:52,799
put some teeth in it we need way to be
able to

784
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:59,120
give some consequences and so far we
haven't been able to have that because

785
01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:01,920
uh i know our ordinance is after 11
o'clock is it

786
01:10:02,719 --> 01:10:10,320
10 it's supposed to go down or off
but nobody pays any attention to that

787
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:18,480
well like i said i can i may uh
if this is obviously i was a little bit

788
01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:22,000
late today because i was content a
little bit too much today but tomorrow

789
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:27,199
we'll be playing again uh most of the
day i will be paying this gentleman this

790
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:31,760
residence a visit tomorrow uh there are
no listen the sound already is not the

791
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:34,800
only trick we have with our sleeve folks
these people still have to come and go

792
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:37,520
from this house and there's some other
things

793
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:42,560
some other things that we can do to
deter this type of activity so

794
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:46,080
just give us the opportunity let me work
with everybody here to try to come up

795
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:50,800
with a uh
a solution to these citations

796
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,800
and

797
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:58,640
thank you thank you thank you
they also kind of four-wheeler at that

798
01:10:55,679 --> 01:10:58,640
time the other day and

799
01:10:59,940 --> 01:11:09,169
[Laughter]
[Music]

800
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:20,560
yes ma'am go ahead
good evening this is 19th century and uh

801
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:26,320
if we don't give up on this problem
uh i had the same problem uh

802
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:33,120
at my house and i know exactly the house
that is doing it is i told my husband

803
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:38,320
the chef transforms into a big easy and
the speakers are out and

804
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:43,440
i told him we need to call early because
last time it was midnight and they were

805
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:47,199
still blowing when i cannot sleep and
the noise is inside my room i know it's

806
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:50,640
too loud
we cannot give up we have to train them

807
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:55,280
like those
that does not allow

808
01:11:52,400 --> 01:12:00,239
and don't give up sir don't give up i'm
not giving up share it don't give up the

809
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:05,679
problem is that we have all these
children

810
01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:10,560
in the midst of these parties and like
mcdonald's or walmart we are creating

811
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:14,640
the next generation that thinks it's
okay to do these things

812
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:19,360
so we need to show up
and let them know you're invading my

813
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:25,760
privacy you know when your noise is
coming inside my room you violating my

814
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:30,800
privacy will i get arrested if i get a
blowborn and just blow it at their ears

815
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:35,760
i don't know my husband told me stay
good just go to bed and i'll continue

816
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:39,520
with it i am not the same
but don't give up everybody

817
01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:42,080
let's train them
thank you very much

818
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:52,080
well
i've wondered if it's not a commercial

819
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:56,880
enterprise that's going on over there
very

820
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:56,880
large number of people

821
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,400
yes

822
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:08,800
i was wondering when are we going to
meet our officers

823
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:11,840
we're going to have the officers that we
could know

824
01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:16,400
our colonel
carl wells was here and he

825
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:20,000
he did he did
say that we would do that and we were

826
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:23,199
looking at doing it in june sometime i
know you've had you've kind of had your

827
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:27,760
plateful a little bit and with some of
the switching and the changing that's

828
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:33,120
been going on um so he didn't he did say
that we would have an open house when

829
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:37,920
you had it all ready to go so
um

830
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:40,239
work on that within the date
thank you

831
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,000
john
5 12

832
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:48,719
[Music]
um

833
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:51,760
about the noise ordinance i know that um
sometimes with

834
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:56,480
certain
activities and events

835
01:13:53,520 --> 01:14:00,400
uh it can be annoying especially but i'm
hoping that we can have a workshop so we

836
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:04,159
can define
um

837
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:10,880
times and
the different types of functions

838
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:14,800
um that were having so people would know
what but i i know what you're talking

839
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:18,080
about with some people
it is just

840
01:14:16,719 --> 01:14:22,560
just ridiculous
but i think that we should have a

841
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:25,760
workshop and talk about it how it's
going

842
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:31,040
um to be handled how it's going to be
handled because i don't want to think

843
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:34,880
that okay if i'm having a function at my
home

844
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:38,239
and i have the music on
and then all of a sudden the police show

845
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:42,800
up and
i'm getting a citation

846
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:48,560
so i just want to make sure i'm just
playing my music and it's not too loud

847
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:52,560
but i just want us to be able to define
that for the residents

848
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:57,360
that's fair
excuse me when we were working on this

849
01:14:55,520 --> 01:15:01,600
uh ordinance
this was something that came up you know

850
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:07,040
you're having a party i'm having a party
whatever you're gonna have music that is

851
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:11,920
gonna be infringing on your neighbors i
think it's the hour

852
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:16,800
anything that goes after 10 o'clock is
really obnoxious

853
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:21,280
and that's the big big problem is how
long because these people are going all

854
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:26,880
night long
and i do i understand that i i really i

855
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:31,520
know what he's talking about right like
everybody else because i live there and

856
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:36,880
sometimes my windows the cars pass by
just they just

857
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:42,400
they just rattled the window so i do
understand that it is it means

858
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:47,440
if you're having a party at your house
and you're having music that's loud

859
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:52,640
louder than you would have inside i
don't think that's going to be a problem

860
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:58,239
i think we all understand but after nine
o'clock ten o'clock you know that it's

861
01:15:55,520 --> 01:16:02,159
it's late people go to bed they need
their sleep they get up at five in the

862
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:06,320
morning go to work or whatever and
that's not a good thing right and i you

863
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:11,280
know but i just don't want nobody to say
well she had a party over there they

864
01:16:08,719 --> 01:16:15,199
didn't say nothing to her or him and you
know so we can just um

865
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:19,199
be able to define
um what

866
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:24,480
well that's what i've been talking about
a very difficult time

867
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:28,480
putting what is the limit how do we
measure it and then what do we do about

868
01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:34,560
it that's been the problem from here to
tallahassee right and i and i'm aware

869
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:38,239
that also all those years and then to
hear one time

870
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:43,199
that there is no noise ordinance and i'm
like what and there it is

871
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:47,920
it just doesn't happen
it doesn't have teeth

872
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:51,520
but absolutely thank you and we'll make
sure that there is a workshop on this

873
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,440
okay any other public comment

874
01:16:56,480 --> 01:17:03,040
and audience i'm going to ask you that
if you have a comment please come

875
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:07,760
forward and we're not don't speak out in
in the audience that's just kind of

876
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:11,360
um it's hard for us up here but if
you'll do that for your neighbor and but

877
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:14,960
if you do have a comment please by all
means come up and and speak now's the

878
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:18,800
time
do they have anything else

879
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:23,040
everything good
okay

880
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:27,920
with that i'm gonna close public comment
and we're gonna open up public hearings

881
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:31,480
we've got the second reading of
ordinance 202204

882
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:37,280
bobby
there's an ordinance of the city

883
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:39,520
commission of syrian presidency would
have amended

884
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:44,360
the city of president city's
comprehensive plan to incorporate

885
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,360
changes

886
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:10,399
[Music]

887
01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:24,159
facilities in agricultural and replacing
the interlanguage map series providing

888
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:30,159
for conflict gratification of fire acts
providing for codification

889
01:18:27,330 --> 01:18:34,080
[Music]
mayor this is the second and final

890
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:39,900
reading of the update to our
comprehensive plan uh upon first reading

891
01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:43,120
for acceptance it was transmitted
[Music]

892
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:55,760
with that i'm going to go ahead and i'm
going to open it up for um

893
01:18:53,840 --> 01:19:00,960
additional factual testimony for or
against if we have any

894
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:05,679
seeing none let's open it up for public
comment we have any public comment on

895
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:11,199
this is our comp plan amendment
i mean i'm sorry our update anybody have

896
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:15,920
um any public comment on this we had a
workshop on it the other day a very good

897
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:19,040
workshop very good explanation as to why
we go

898
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:23,120
why we have a comp plan and
why we have to do the update every seven

899
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:28,080
years
so um it's an evaluation and review

900
01:19:26,719 --> 01:19:32,719
anybody have
um okay seeing no i'm gonna close public

901
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:36,400
comment commissioners i'm bringing it
back to you

902
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:41,360
we have a
motion

903
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:41,360
to move that we accept

904
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,320
ordinance 2022-04

905
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:50,960
okay we have a motion and we have a
second here and you got the

906
01:19:56,480 --> 01:20:01,280
commissioner burton
commissioner burton second commissioner

907
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:06,480
do we have any um
open this up for any comments or

908
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,480
discussion do we have any

909
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:14,560
if not yes i have a couple of questions
and one for mr pick

910
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,159
because

911
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:23,520
okay
so

912
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:26,639
this is a very long document it's 104
pages

913
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:30,400
before first reading i went through the
entire thing

914
01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:36,639
and asked all my questions
um it was sent to the state for review

915
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:42,000
um one thing that i noted in our
informational workshop is

916
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:46,960
um the future land use map
which does not have a page number

917
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,960
that's present

918
01:20:50,480 --> 01:21:00,960
if there's a larger future land use map
that we need

919
01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:04,880
so my concern is um
so whereas clauses to this ordinance say

920
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,199
that
um

921
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:11,600
this is it
whatever was there in the past this

922
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:16,320
replaces it
um

923
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:20,560
this is just a completely unreadable map
it's got the date

924
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:24,719
and the source on it
well actually this is the map that was

925
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:28,960
sent to the state correct and they
reviewed this so they've already sent

926
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,960
the electronic

927
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:38,080
okay so this is the
2021 map

928
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:42,960
should have been the december 2021
should have been that one is that what

929
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:45,840
it says right so i mean there's a better
copy of this

930
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:49,360
there is
an electronic copy it sounds like yeah

931
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:52,560
and you had a better copy at the
workshop the other day too you had a

932
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:56,960
larger copy you had an enlarged
calculator yes you had that the other

933
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:56,960
day

934
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:09,239
right that fits in your packets

935
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:28,320
and then the other thing is
um pages we got this packet

936
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:31,199
last friday with everything else in the
packet

937
01:22:29,679 --> 01:22:36,239
there's no way to go through here and
make sure that it matches what we sent

938
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:39,120
to tallahassee can you represent to me
that this is identical to what we sent

939
01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:43,199
out
yes

940
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,199
okay

941
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:52,840
okay
commissioner do you have any other

942
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,840
comments

943
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:11,840
uh commissioner devito on the map this
is this is just what we've given the

944
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:15,840
city as uh it's a very large document
this is a huge map and i will be sending

945
01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:19,520
that map that i sent to the state which
was that larger

946
01:23:17,199 --> 01:23:23,199
version to the state for adoption so
it's not going to be that map that will

947
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:25,520
be set
that's good

948
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,679
thank you
thank you

949
01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:33,120
thank you
and the one that we had um at the

950
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:33,120
workshop the other day was very legible

951
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:53,679
so all in favor of this adoption say aye
aye aye

952
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:56,400
okay all opposed
motion cares

953
01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:04,239
i want to go to the second reading of
ordinance 2022 thank you so much and

954
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:07,840
thanks for coming over we appreciate all
your hard work thank you

955
01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:10,840
um the second reading of ordinance
2022-11

956
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:19,440
i noticed that in your packet you
received the copy that was your first

957
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:23,120
reading did not contain the changes you
approved and we were sending you for

958
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:25,920
approval yeah so we'll my request is we
table this up

959
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:29,440
while you do that i've got a copy of
that and highlighted the changes

960
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:33,040
there were a few changes but there were
changes okay

961
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:38,080
thank you okay commissioner can you ask
the table this i need a motion to table

962
01:24:34,639 --> 01:24:42,639
this please i know that will be table 20
22

963
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:45,639
okay until we get a copy with this new
change

964
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:50,960
okay we have a motion we have the second
do we have any other discussion

965
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:58,320
okay all in favor of tabling this are we
going to table it till the next meeting

966
01:24:55,600 --> 01:25:03,360
correct until the july to the july
general commission meeting all in favor

967
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,360
say aye aye

968
01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:10,239
we're going to get a second reading of
ordinance 2022-12

969
01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:14,159
in order to the city of fresno city
florida approving an amendment to the

970
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:20,480
natural gas fund of the budget for the
fiscal year beginning october 1st 2021

971
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,480
and ending september 30th

972
01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:28,639
here this is the second final reading of
the amendment which adds the dot grant

973
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:32,639
for the moving of our gas line expansion
of the us 17. okay and that's down like

974
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:37,360
that's the one that's down by towards
dunkirk in that area okay thank you

975
01:25:35,679 --> 01:25:41,199
okay at this time i'm going to open it
up for additional factual testimony

976
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:54,480
i'm going to close public comments
commissioners

977
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:57,840
we have a motion i believe that we
approve the second reading

978
01:25:56,159 --> 01:26:04,000
second okay
we have a motion for adoption and a

979
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:04,000
second do we have any other discussion

980
01:26:04,719 --> 01:26:11,629
no discussion all in favor say aye
[Music]

981
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:18,360
we're going to move to the first reading
of ordinance 2022-14

982
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:40,880
meeting each month is necessary
providing for the procedures to call for

983
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:44,639
a second commission meeting
providing for conflicts providing for

984
01:26:42,719 --> 01:26:49,120
the qualification
and directions to the code qualifier and

985
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:53,760
providing an effective fee
mayor this is uh an ordinance that the

986
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:58,239
commission voted for us to bring to you
and contemplating a second regularly

987
01:26:55,679 --> 01:27:02,840
scheduled meeting for the month um
it did pass three to two and i think it

988
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:07,199
was i felt like it was shaky three to
two so um there's been a lot of

989
01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:11,760
discussion the way the ordinance is
actually written i feel like it

990
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:15,920
enforces what we already can do just
follow special meetings

991
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:19,280
we want a second meeting of the month
so

992
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:23,040
i don't think it accomplished what we
potentially want to schedule a regular

993
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:25,199
date we'd have two scheduled meetings a
month

994
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:29,440
uh but i'm not sure that's actually the
will of commission so um

995
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:35,040
don't pass this and i still have the
ability to call a special meeting

996
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:37,679
could be a second meeting every month
emergency meeting

997
01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:41,040
this
this ordinance presented would

998
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:45,960
essentially allow you to the mayor to
schedule that second meeting

999
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,960
if needed

1000
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:51,760
so we have some so we have some options
that we could

1001
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:55,679
go with
because we already have that basically

1002
01:27:54,480 --> 01:28:01,920
um
that opportunity to call that special

1003
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:06,880
meeting should we need it yes okay
i'm gonna open it up right now for

1004
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:06,880
public for

1005
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:12,719
for additional factual testimony for
again then i'm

1006
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:16,639
seeing none of that opening up for
public comment do we have any public

1007
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:20,800
comment on this as far as that's having
it will be

1008
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:24,800
on the second thursday and the fourth
thursday

1009
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:30,239
of every month we would have um
that's where we would have the other

1010
01:28:26,239 --> 01:28:30,239
meeting so do we have any comments

1011
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:40,480
i answered four chestnut street
i'm afraid if we had a second meeting it

1012
01:28:38,719 --> 01:28:43,480
would just end up being a second
marathon

1013
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:57,199
thank you very much do we have any other
public comments

1014
01:28:55,600 --> 01:29:00,480
seeing nobody come forward i'm going to
plug

1015
01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:05,920
close the public comment section
um and and that has been discussed thank

1016
01:29:03,679 --> 01:29:08,840
you for sharing that because it would be
so then we would have maybe two wrong

1017
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:12,320
meetings
um

1018
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:16,800
i
commissioners do we have a um

1019
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:19,600
emotion and then we can have some
discussion or do we just want to go

1020
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:23,120
ahead and have some discussion first
before we

1021
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:27,040
just have to schedule let's have some
discussion about this

1022
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:32,719
can i just jump in
it says for a second city commission

1023
01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:37,440
meeting each month as necessary it
doesn't mean we have to schedule it i

1024
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:40,639
keep thinking we're going to get to the
spot where we've gotten

1025
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:44,880
so
i think our new manager is just

1026
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:50,159
fantastic by the way
but he's

1027
01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:55,120
really doing a lot of ketchup all right
i keep thinking we're going to get

1028
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:59,120
caught up eventually and maybe not need
that second

1029
01:29:56,480 --> 01:30:04,840
meeting what do you think
what do you think i think it'll be a

1030
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:04,840
while we just added a noise

1031
01:30:09,350 --> 01:30:12,539
[Music]

1032
01:30:12,639 --> 01:30:17,760
um
commissioner banks yeah but we got to

1033
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:21,600
look at it more than one way too we
gotta look at it

1034
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:24,960
financially wait uh you know when we
have these we got to have a turning to

1035
01:30:23,679 --> 01:30:27,679
empire
keep things straight

1036
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,800
so
we gotta look at it that way then we

1037
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:36,159
gotta look at it
see the workers have to come in

1038
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:36,159
for that time

1039
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:39,360
it's our time

1040
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:46,159
so i think we've been
getting the business did maybe we just

1041
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:50,719
need not to
get on the controversy and stay there

1042
01:30:49,230 --> 01:30:54,800
[Music]
yeah but we get on the conversation if

1043
01:30:52,639 --> 01:30:59,840
you stay there too long
i mean we had that opera we we talked

1044
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:04,719
about that we did discuss that and
often with robert's rules on each item

1045
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:07,840
you know you can limit the amount of
time a a commissioner can speak on an

1046
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:11,040
item
um

1047
01:31:08,719 --> 01:31:15,520
and so we have that opportunity to do
too to do that as well that if we wanted

1048
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:18,880
to limit it to five minutes why don't we
we've got

1049
01:31:16,719 --> 01:31:25,440
three minutes for the audience do five
minutes for commissioners now

1050
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:28,440
is that per item or total per item
okay

1051
01:31:30,159 --> 01:31:36,719
of time
okay well i'm just going to say you know

1052
01:31:34,239 --> 01:31:40,480
i mean it's just like tonight um
things like this happen it seems like

1053
01:31:38,719 --> 01:31:45,920
all the time the second reading of the
ordinance of 2022-11 was

1054
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:49,440
because we
didn't write it up right you know and

1055
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:53,360
basically
um

1056
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:59,010
this first reading of ordinance 20 20 to
13 really

1057
01:31:55,120 --> 01:32:02,149
is not written up the way that we had
[Music]

1058
01:32:03,679 --> 01:32:11,600
i guess what i'm going to say is
um we can't get the first meeting right

1059
01:32:09,679 --> 01:32:15,600
so why don't we try to focus on that
first

1060
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:20,000
you know try and get the first meeting
the tuesday meeting right

1061
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:25,120
and um and if
what this says if we need another

1062
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:29,040
meeting that's necessary
we can have a special need we don't

1063
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:33,600
really need to write it yes we have the
ability we have that ability we have

1064
01:32:30,719 --> 01:32:38,560
that ability now and by doing so that
charles can come to the mayor and the

1065
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:42,800
mayor can call a special meeting or
three commissioners can request that

1066
01:32:40,719 --> 01:32:46,320
special meeting um it would have to be
the three commissioners so we have that

1067
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:50,000
ability we do have that ability
currently without having to adopt a new

1068
01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:52,880
ordinance
so

1069
01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:56,569
yes commissioner devito
sure

1070
01:32:53,450 --> 01:32:56,569
[Music]

1071
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:09,840
i agree that
the way to do this is not just to have

1072
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:14,080
another meeting
um i put some thoughts on paper that i

1073
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:18,400
handed out to everyone i gave it to
karen after the record

1074
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:25,120
um i think mr banks has an excellent
point when he says that there is a

1075
01:33:21,199 --> 01:33:30,480
time and money cost and staff
to holding a second meeting

1076
01:33:28,239 --> 01:33:34,960
we have a small staff
and i think that just putting these

1077
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:38,639
things to a second meeting would be
digging ourselves another hole i mean

1078
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:42,639
that's a time maker
um

1079
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:46,320
what i see is that you know we talked
about this when

1080
01:33:44,239 --> 01:33:51,440
mr rudd first came on board mr red can
do a tremendous amount of work

1081
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:55,280
and he's a very hard worker
but we talked about um setting some

1082
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:58,800
priorities
we did a strategic plan

1083
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:02,639
um
we're a new team here but i think that

1084
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:06,639
we need to
keep reviewing our strategic plan to

1085
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:10,800
make sure
that an item that is brought to the

1086
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:15,760
commission is not advice to do that must
do that it's on the strategic plan

1087
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:19,360
um make sure that we have all the
information that an item is ready to be

1088
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:23,199
heard
uh one thing i've asked

1089
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:26,320
the staff is that
um

1090
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:30,400
the meetings are where commissioners
have the only opportunity under the

1091
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:33,679
sunshine law and talk it's very
important that the

1092
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:37,520
staff whatever staff are involved
whether it's code or the attorney of the

1093
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:40,480
city manager public works that they get
together and cash out all the details

1094
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:44,880
before it comes
before us

1095
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:49,360
and as well there's a couple of other
items in here but i really think that

1096
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:52,000
if we do
some of these things and try to create

1097
01:34:51,119 --> 01:34:55,840
those
efficiencies that

1098
01:34:54,159 --> 01:35:00,719
we can
save ourselves time into a better job so

1099
01:34:58,639 --> 01:35:04,719
i'm just in agreement with all of you
and um

1100
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:07,760
i encourage you to look at the list so
thank you

1101
01:35:06,719 --> 01:35:10,800
okay
um

1102
01:35:08,639 --> 01:35:13,760
so we have an option here we can go
ahead and

1103
01:35:15,590 --> 01:35:18,779
[Music]

1104
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:32,080
and
um i don't want to go to

1105
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:35,040
a another thursday simply because i
already have

1106
01:35:33,199 --> 01:35:39,920
that would be my third thursday that i'm
tied up because i have one um another

1107
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:45,199
um that i have to do
so i am i mean i i personally and with

1108
01:35:43,119 --> 01:35:50,719
that but at the same time i'm gonna ask
the commission and as the chair here i'm

1109
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:56,320
gonna ask you to be accountable
of everybody's time

1110
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:59,760
and um we recommended the five minutes
um maybe we don't need to do that at

1111
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:04,080
this time
but

1112
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:07,360
again as the chair i'm going to ask you
to be accountable and if we're not going

1113
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:11,360
to be accountable then we will have to
do something from a time standpoint

1114
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:15,920
because we have audience here too and
they have items that they want to hear

1115
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:18,880
um that they're interested in and so if
we spend

1116
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:21,440
so much time like commissioner banks
said

1117
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:26,320
um
you know they want to get home they want

1118
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:29,440
to get home too so i just ask y'all that
if this is going to die for lack of

1119
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:36,639
emotion
um that we'd be cognizant of everyone's

1120
01:36:32,719 --> 01:36:40,400
time and respectful and um okay mayor is
one more thing i would like to say that

1121
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:43,600
that was the first thing i thought of
when we

1122
01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:46,800
talked about the second meeting
before i ever served on the commission

1123
01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:52,480
there are some people who are regular
attendees here

1124
01:36:49,119 --> 01:36:56,639
i was a very regular attendee and in
addition to our time and you've

1125
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:59,920
mentioned there are other meetings for
people who want to keep up with what's

1126
01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:02,880
going on in the city
um

1127
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:06,960
it's very hard on them if they have to
attend tv

1128
01:37:04,480 --> 01:37:12,400
as well as any other board meetings that
they would be interested in so

1129
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:16,400
it's all of our time
okay thank you commissioners did we have

1130
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,400
a motion

1131
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:21,779
yes
[Music]

1132
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:33,679
[Laughter]
okay

1133
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:36,719
we're going to move on now we're going
to move on to

1134
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:42,679
first reading of ordinance 2022-14

1135
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:50,789
to the city of crescent city florida
[Music]

1136
01:37:51,119 --> 01:37:56,800
of crescent city for the property
described as 602

1137
01:37:54,719 --> 01:37:59,520
north summit street crescent city were
also managing the little blue house and

1138
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:03,520
providing
days

1139
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:06,639
mayor this is um
last name you approved renewing the

1140
01:38:05,119 --> 01:38:10,880
lease and then we subsequently
discovered that that lease was done by

1141
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:13,600
ordinance and requires another ordinance
to renew it

1142
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:16,400
we have written the new language such
that in the future it can be done by

1143
01:38:15,119 --> 01:38:21,600
resolution
but meanwhile we need to do two readings

1144
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:21,600
of an ordinance to approve release

1145
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:35,199
there is an error in there we discovered
the address is different on the

1146
01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:35,199
ordinance versus the elise

1147
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:44,440
yeah one says six or two and one says
604

1148
01:38:39,440 --> 01:38:44,440
but it's a big lot so i don't know

1149
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:55,400
it's twice

1150
01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:14,159
at this time i'm going to ask if we have
additional factual testimony for against

1151
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:17,440
seeing them come forward do we have any
public input on this

1152
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:22,719
humble gift i'm going to close public
input at this time commissioners i'm

1153
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:27,040
bringing it back to you do we have a
motion

1154
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:30,639
i said it we have approved ordinance
2024-14

1155
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:34,960
the little blue house to the women's
board

1156
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:38,840
i second it
in the second commissioner should we

1157
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:43,840
have any um further discussion
yeah this ordinance um just kind of

1158
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:47,199
reading it
said where's the city of crescent city

1159
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:50,840
city
uh florida has agreed to lease the

1160
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:55,000
premises
as uh

1161
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:59,669
[Music]

1162
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:12,960
it says for the sole
purpose of being able to provide

1163
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:16,480
property insurance for the structure
that's the location

1164
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:22,719
and then i guess
agreement on the next page

1165
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:27,119
uh kind of defines that but it really
doesn't define any ordinance as being

1166
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:30,080
the
uh

1167
01:40:28,239 --> 01:40:33,930
we see
so it shall be for five years from the

1168
01:40:32,719 --> 01:40:37,520
date
[Music]

1169
01:40:35,679 --> 01:40:42,000
we'll um the building on premises i'm
sure against casualties

1170
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:45,440
so i haven't just seen kind of a that
state it took that statement

1171
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:49,199
yeah
so just i just need an explanation

1172
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:54,800
so this i actually didn't draft this one
this is just a copy of the ordinance

1173
01:40:53,119 --> 01:40:58,560
that was done
prior to but if that's a change that you

1174
01:40:56,400 --> 01:41:02,400
want me to clarify that i mean i
understand is this is this ordinance

1175
01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:05,719
going away
this ordinance

1176
01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:13,960
for the next five years

1177
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:38,320
more of the least detail in the whereas
qualities i i mean if you don't need

1178
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:43,960
that i suppose it's all right but
it just seems kind of

1179
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:43,960
um

1180
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:02,639
more specifically what we're releasing

1181
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:07,679
no i just i mean i see the lease
agreement here

1182
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:12,080
and the lease agreement says i guess
what

1183
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:15,600
what i think the ordinance should say
and so if you're going to sign the

1184
01:42:13,679 --> 01:42:22,800
ordinance and then sign the lease
agreement right again we'll do what

1185
01:42:19,679 --> 01:42:22,800
i'm suggesting

1186
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:29,040
we put the five clauses here in the
lease agreement as

1187
01:42:32,480 --> 01:42:37,440
what we have basically is an ordinance
saying that we're going to enter into a

1188
01:42:35,679 --> 01:42:42,560
lease agreement with
the women's club of little blue house

1189
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:45,679
and then we have the actual lease and so
i guess commissioner burton you're

1190
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:50,779
asking that everything that's in that
lease those five those five

1191
01:42:47,700 --> 01:42:50,779
[Music]

1192
01:42:55,040 --> 01:43:02,320
of being able um provide
property insurance for the structure at

1193
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:02,320
the location

1194
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:05,520
it's

1195
01:43:05,679 --> 01:43:11,840
i guess i guess
i would say i understand

1196
01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:14,960
is
i don't know because i mean obviously i

1197
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:18,639
wasn't here but i'm assuming what
happened is that's one of the reasons

1198
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:22,960
that either the women's club wanted the
city to lease it so they would provide

1199
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:25,840
the insurance for the building because i
know we do things for the insurance i

1200
01:43:24,239 --> 01:43:29,199
think that's where that came from but i
can't clarify that

1201
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:32,239
it doesn't really kind of clarify but
this does clarify

1202
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:39,480
so i mean
the actual lease agreement clarified

1203
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:39,480
we'll have that in place for five years

1204
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:09,440
i may be forgetting the way things work
i thought that we

1205
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:13,920
made all the changes on first reading
and that we had to

1206
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:19,760
pass the identical item on a second
reading that we passed on first

1207
01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:24,080
i'm mistaken about that yes
you make changes when you have to

1208
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:29,280
advertise and make available to the
public 10 days prior to the adoption of

1209
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:32,840
the final version of the ordinance so
you have to be on the first reading with

1210
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:35,280
the changes to be brought
back reading

1211
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:38,800
but that's what i'm saying don't we
usually

1212
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:42,960
amend the whatever it is we're passing
on first reading

1213
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:46,880
we change it yes but this is the first
reading that's what we're doing right

1214
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:49,440
now okay we're changing making any
changes that we feel need to be

1215
01:44:48,159 --> 01:44:53,360
necessary that's what commissioner
burton was just going through this

1216
01:44:51,440 --> 01:44:58,480
but i'm not talking about what the
commissioner was comments

1217
01:44:55,520 --> 01:45:03,199
i thought i heard bobby or charles say
you would make the change of second

1218
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:07,119
reading well for to be read in the
second reading

1219
01:45:04,639 --> 01:45:11,760
okay but we're amending it to that yeah
yeah okay and that that wasn't clear

1220
01:45:09,679 --> 01:45:17,119
and then just um
i think uh should we register

1221
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:21,760
who is an officer where the women's club
spoke to this at our last meeting i

1222
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:25,840
think it's in a minute
um and

1223
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:28,719
we were asking what the history of it
was and

1224
01:45:27,199 --> 01:45:31,679
she said
the city actually came to the women's

1225
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:37,760
club and asked them to take
responsibility for the little blue house

1226
01:45:34,159 --> 01:45:40,320
in terms of the other items in release
you know

1227
01:45:38,719 --> 01:45:45,840
taking care of the day-to-day things
keeping it open as a museum blah blah

1228
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:45,840
and

1229
01:45:50,239 --> 01:45:55,360
okay
um

1230
01:45:53,199 --> 01:46:00,560
for just for clarification purposes i
know that we've got this date

1231
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:06,239
but 604 is present the women's club so
the women's club is not actually they're

1232
01:46:03,440 --> 01:46:09,520
located at a different address
than the

1233
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:13,840
little blue house so
buy-in between crescent city women's

1234
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:18,560
club 604 north summit street that's in
the actual links agreement so it is 604

1235
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:21,560
and not
um

1236
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:33,119
i'm just wondering because the woman's
club that's that's it would be based on

1237
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:38,320
um
the way the leash reads bobby is buying

1238
01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:43,679
between crescent city women's club 604
north summit street

1239
01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:47,040
um so you would be giving their actual
mailing address

1240
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:50,080
but the physical address of the little
blue house like

1241
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:56,000
yeah
so the ordinance does read correct right

1242
01:46:54,080 --> 01:47:00,800
but we're going to have the six issues
okay

1243
01:46:57,119 --> 01:47:00,800
so the ordinance does reach correct at

1244
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:11,520
so it used to 602.000 be it probably was
at the time

1245
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:17,840
of course
there's notes that they're

1246
01:47:14,719 --> 01:47:23,040
on the north end of the women's club is
610

1247
01:47:19,119 --> 01:47:23,040
and on the south side center state

1248
01:47:32,239 --> 01:47:36,280
we can leave this the buildings

1249
01:47:38,330 --> 01:47:44,460
[Music]

1250
01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:54,639
meeting just to make sure that we've got
all of our addresses right

1251
01:47:52,639 --> 01:47:59,760
one more little tin tank
on the lease agreement number one or it

1252
01:47:56,719 --> 01:48:04,280
says little blue house okay and then
yeah okay i'm sorry

1253
01:48:10,719 --> 01:48:17,520
um i just always wanted to say i am a
member of the crescent city club okay

1254
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:21,360
thank you for sharing this you're not an
officer though correct no okay

1255
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:26,639
okay
we have no more discussion all in favor

1256
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:32,480
we have a motion and a second all in
favor of approving this on the first

1257
01:48:28,480 --> 01:48:32,480
reading say aye aye

1258
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:47,840
do you want to add that to your version
who made them who made the actual money

1259
01:48:46,239 --> 01:48:54,800
all right
i knew that uh we accept

1260
01:48:51,679 --> 01:48:54,800
ordinance 22

1261
01:48:55,040 --> 01:49:01,119
or
2022-14 their mural with at least the

1262
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:03,760
little blue vowel house with the
corrections

1263
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:11,470
okay all in favor say aye all right
[Music]

1264
01:49:14,719 --> 01:49:21,679
charles we have pooled item
um

1265
01:49:18,639 --> 01:49:25,440
ordinance 2022-15 correct yes we
advertised this on the good note that we

1266
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:28,960
pulled in and we discovered that the
chain we were attempting to make in our

1267
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:33,840
election rules is actually in the city
charter so we can't change it we do have

1268
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:38,320
to pass an ordinance and we want to
change it but then it goes to referendum

1269
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:41,040
on general the general election so okay
bobby

1270
01:49:39,679 --> 01:49:45,440
if bobby
in just a second and bobby if you want

1271
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:49,520
to kind of give us an overview for for
anybody i know there's

1272
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:53,360
so that people you know
and trying to be very transparent with

1273
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:57,520
this yeah so
how this all came about as i was

1274
01:49:55,040 --> 01:50:00,480
actually sitting here in the large
commission meeting charles overturf

1275
01:49:59,440 --> 01:50:06,239
emailed me
and asked me to interpret the city

1276
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:10,000
ordinance 14-04
and in that ordinance it sets out the

1277
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:15,199
time frame for the qualifications of the
offices within the city of crescent city

1278
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:20,719
and in that ordinance it says that the
qualification period is only

1279
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:24,159
from noon on the first monday in august
and ending at noon on the following

1280
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:27,679
friday in the year of qualifying for the
election

1281
01:50:25,119 --> 01:50:30,400
so i told him that i felt like he could
give out

1282
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:34,159
the information but it could not be
turned in

1283
01:50:31,599 --> 01:50:37,920
only by that one week from noon monday
to the end friday

1284
01:50:35,679 --> 01:50:41,040
then so that's what we we're going to do
we're going to take the front book end

1285
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:44,719
off where people could qualify for city
elections at any time they wanted to if

1286
01:50:43,119 --> 01:50:48,000
somebody wanted to run
uh for an office that was two years out

1287
01:50:46,480 --> 01:50:51,440
that they would be able to qualify
whenever they wanted to

1288
01:50:49,599 --> 01:50:56,080
so then we started drafting the
awardness to take the front bookend off

1289
01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:59,920
and we discovered that it was in the
charter so we couldn't just do it by

1290
01:50:57,520 --> 01:51:03,280
ordinance then recently
i and i'll preface this way i don't have

1291
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:06,320
a lot of the election experience or
anything like that i didn't realize that

1292
01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:10,719
there were more documents that you had
to turn in on the state level than just

1293
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:16,000
what the city asked for so then it was
brought to my attention by

1294
01:51:13,199 --> 01:51:20,760
um commissioner devito that there is a
form

1295
01:51:17,199 --> 01:51:25,760
and correct me if i'm wrong i think it's
dsde9 which allows the candidate

1296
01:51:23,599 --> 01:51:30,639
to open a campaign account appoint a
treasurer spend money and raise money

1297
01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:35,520
um
so then we had a conversation about that

1298
01:51:32,639 --> 01:51:40,000
and i have made a legal
recommendation that our city charter

1299
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:44,800
does not contemplate the financial
document the des de 9

1300
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:48,239
so it's my legal opinion that a person
can start raising money as long as they

1301
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:53,440
turn that into the supervisor of
elections prior to that monday in august

1302
01:51:51,119 --> 01:51:57,840
the only thing that must be turned in in
august is either the 25 petitions that

1303
01:51:55,760 --> 01:52:02,400
you have to get or five percent of the
salary

1304
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:06,000
um to qualify as well as a i believe
it's a sworn statement of office there's

1305
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:09,440
three requirements that are laid out in
the charter so one thing that the

1306
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:15,520
commission is going to have to decide at
some point is if we're going to accept

1307
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:19,520
that dsve9 as our sworn affidavit of
office or we're going to come up with

1308
01:52:17,119 --> 01:52:23,679
something else but i am of the opinion
which i'll relay to

1309
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:23,679
um

1310
01:52:24,239 --> 01:52:32,800
supervisor elections mr overture
that as soon as tomorrow people can

1311
01:52:29,440 --> 01:52:36,000
start qualifying as far as the raising
spend the

1312
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:38,960
money part okay so that's how we ended
up in the situation so we thought there

1313
01:52:37,599 --> 01:52:42,560
was a problem that may not have been a
problem the entire time the only thing i

1314
01:52:41,199 --> 01:52:47,840
do recommend is that i think it should
be clarified uh we should clear up so

1315
01:52:45,679 --> 01:52:52,960
this confusion doesn't happen again
in the future that our charter is only

1316
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:56,480
contemplating the two requirements
uh that the city requires for you to run

1317
01:52:54,960 --> 01:53:01,599
but nothing we're not restricting
anything that the state requires you to

1318
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:04,320
use okay so in in talking to
mr overture

1319
01:53:03,199 --> 01:53:06,960
um
the appointment of the campaign

1320
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:11,599
treasurer
that is that

1321
01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:15,760
dsde9 form that he's referring to and
that's what he was thinking

1322
01:53:13,599 --> 01:53:19,280
that would be the qualifier that would
be the qualifier initially

1323
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:24,480
um
now in looking at this he's saying that

1324
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:30,400
the appointment of the campaign treasure
reform and that's what you would do is

1325
01:53:27,199 --> 01:53:34,400
you have to fill that out
you have to turn it into supervisor of

1326
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:39,360
elections
and then you take it to the bank and

1327
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:44,719
then you set up your bank account
he will go ahead and he can accept that

1328
01:53:42,719 --> 01:53:49,119
and then he also has the statement of
the candidate and that statement of the

1329
01:53:46,480 --> 01:53:52,800
candidate he can accept that as well and
that's up to 10 days after

1330
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:57,679
um
you've

1331
01:53:54,480 --> 01:54:02,560
turned in that dsde9 form
so he said he can accept those two

1332
01:54:00,480 --> 01:54:06,320
um prior to
that noonday

1333
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:10,719
monday
after that then your candidate statement

1334
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:14,480
and your oath
that's what he would accept in

1335
01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:19,040
august
in the qualifying

1336
01:54:16,639 --> 01:54:23,119
you turn that in you would turn in your
petitions but he said because you

1337
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:27,840
already have the petitions you can have
those dated prior to that

1338
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:31,760
you would turn in your form one which is
your financial disclosure statement of

1339
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:37,199
financial interest
you would have to turn in by state law

1340
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:41,520
that same week that qualifying week your
one percent fee

1341
01:54:39,119 --> 01:54:47,040
um that the state requires or you're
asking um for a waiver of that financial

1342
01:54:44,719 --> 01:54:52,480
financial hardship waiver and then we
the city have an additional form that we

1343
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:58,080
fill out and it's the city of crescent
city qualification statement

1344
01:54:55,119 --> 01:55:01,920
and that basically also says who you are
that you're going that you're going to

1345
01:54:59,920 --> 01:55:05,440
the office you're running for and what
you're that you're willing to serve if

1346
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:09,760
you're elected
so he said

1347
01:55:06,719 --> 01:55:15,760
those he will accept that week
okay but prior to that but you cannot

1348
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:20,239
raise any money and we have to be clear
about that you cannot raise any money

1349
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:24,040
until you've
submitted that appointment for a

1350
01:55:22,159 --> 01:55:28,800
campaign treasurer that
dsde9 form

1351
01:55:26,080 --> 01:55:31,520
he did say also that he would come
down

1352
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:36,719
some people might want to go up to his
office and get these forms but we the

1353
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:41,599
commission can set a time and date
when he can have a kind of a

1354
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:45,040
election
101

1355
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:50,560
and and have these available for
candidates to to pick up at that time to

1356
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:52,480
go over the documents with them
um

1357
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:56,239
and
so

1358
01:55:54,560 --> 01:56:00,080
so there we have it that statement of
candidates that's the second form he

1359
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:04,159
said he would accept and you have to do
that within 10 days after you file the

1360
01:56:02,159 --> 01:56:08,480
first form or at the same time
oftentimes they do it at the same time

1361
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:12,400
he said that's the one that basically
says you've been given all the rules

1362
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:18,239
you've been given all the forms you've
been given everything um required for an

1363
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:22,880
election and you've and um and they have
they haven't filled that

1364
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:22,880
thank you so much for that

1365
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:29,360
so well it's well it's we just needed
some clarification and so we're not

1366
01:56:27,599 --> 01:56:32,800
going to have we don't have an ordinance
on it so at that time but we did need

1367
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:36,639
some clarification
so

1368
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:40,080
that take care of it for everybody
it doesn't except that

1369
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:43,840
okay
so

1370
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:49,520
the last meeting
this was introduced or brought up by you

1371
01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:55,119
i think during the city manager's report
just as a verbal report

1372
01:56:52,960 --> 01:57:00,400
i really wasn't sure what you were
saying and the information passed

1373
01:56:58,239 --> 01:57:04,719
between i guess from
mr overturf to you to the city manager

1374
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:08,840
to the city attorney everything was done
verbally

1375
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:15,440
the problem i see with that
is that that information ideally

1376
01:57:13,119 --> 01:57:19,040
if there was a significant problem with
our election or election process

1377
01:57:18,239 --> 01:57:22,639
um
sorry the captain just ran up

1378
01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:30,080
everything's okay but anyway ideally um
these communications would be put down

1379
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:34,320
in writing and should have been shared
with all the commissioners so that we

1380
01:57:31,679 --> 01:57:37,199
could all know what the problem was
um and i think

1381
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:40,239
if that had happened we could have
figured this out

1382
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:44,239
quite a bit sooner but anyway that's
water under the bridge but um i think

1383
01:57:42,719 --> 01:57:47,199
that's really okay
the way it should have happened because

1384
01:57:45,679 --> 01:57:51,199
all commissioners should be able to
inform

1385
01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:57,840
and know what the situation and
putting it in writing prevents those

1386
01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:57,840
miscommunications and misunderstanding

1387
01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:04,320
okay thank you so that item has been
pulled we also have the next one that

1388
01:58:03,199 --> 01:58:06,320
has
pulled

1389
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:11,119
uh
i guess the next two have been pulled at

1390
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:13,520
this time mayor 22 16 was pulled uh
cause we have to advertise these so

1391
01:58:12,639 --> 01:58:16,480
early
talk with our planner needs to go to

1392
01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:22,159
planning and zoning for their
recommendation so we'll come back to you

1393
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:26,560
with their recommendation and 2217
was pulled because um writing studying

1394
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:29,599
write my cover memo i realized we're
actually creating a new chapter chapter

1395
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:34,480
21
for special events and and striking

1396
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:39,119
certain parts of chapter three we didn't
advertise it that way so we have to make

1397
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:39,119
sure they advertise

1398
01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:47,000
thank you very much
so now we're going to move on to

1399
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:47,000
resolution number 2022-01

1400
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:57,119
there is a resolution of the city
commission of the city of crescent city

1401
01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:59,840
designating the city on the property
beach

1402
01:58:58,159 --> 01:59:03,360
and
the like stella boat ramp this lake

1403
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:07,760
still apart providing for authorization
providing the third objective

1404
01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:13,840
here this item we talked about actually
several months ago

1405
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:18,800
to name the area between the program and
the parking lot and extra beach as lake

1406
01:59:16,159 --> 01:59:18,800
style park

1407
01:59:20,239 --> 01:59:26,000
okay
i'm going to open this up for additional

1408
01:59:23,679 --> 01:59:31,239
factions
hopefully

1409
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:31,239
i don't need to do that i guess

1410
01:59:35,679 --> 01:59:41,760
we have any public input and this is
that area

1411
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:47,440
um from dexter beach over to the boat
ramp correct and we would just be giving

1412
01:59:44,159 --> 01:59:47,440
it a specific name

1413
01:59:53,599 --> 01:59:58,959
apart does that change
[Music]

1414
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:17,040
stella park it's actually called that in
our redevelopment plan um so it's just

1415
02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:20,320
uh
we had some events recently

1416
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:26,960
place over there by the boat ramp
so this way

1417
02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:30,800
okay do we have any other um comments
public comments

1418
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:33,679
this time i'm gonna close public
comments on this commissioner we have

1419
02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:38,960
our resolution
to name this the lake stella park

1420
02:00:36,320 --> 02:00:43,040
do you have a motion
okay we have a motion do i have a second

1421
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:46,560
oh second okay we have a motion and a
second

1422
02:00:44,080 --> 02:00:50,080
do we have any discussion yes yes sir go
ahead

1423
02:00:47,520 --> 02:00:54,880
well one of my special needs i i don't
know but chris said i always had a

1424
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:59,360
problem with pocket
now if we

1425
02:00:56,800 --> 02:01:05,520
classify that as a talk
okay we're going and we do want to have

1426
02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:05,520
a lot of festivities

1427
02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:13,360
we need to make a parking lot uh he's a
bad piece of property jason

1428
02:01:11,679 --> 02:01:16,960
so we can pay vision
and have pockets

1429
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:21,599
we don't have enough pockets just a
little festivity that we have in now

1430
02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:25,360
is a big problem
uh

1431
02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:30,560
i rise by there and
just uh we're just sad to go

1432
02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:34,080
but the people in the park and don't be
in the room he was all on the grass

1433
02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:38,639
that's right aggressive wouldn't fit in
line all that beauty gonna be gone

1434
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:44,080
so maybe the city needs to look at
buying

1435
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:44,080
some property what close by

1436
02:01:45,599 --> 02:01:50,159
for park
america

1437
02:02:02,639 --> 02:02:09,760
if we go ahead and classify that part
it's going to have larger events

1438
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:14,239
now i'm not saying i'm looking for the
name change it's all right

1439
02:02:12,159 --> 02:02:17,679
but we got to look at it for more than
one way too we gotta look at it

1440
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:22,239
it's gonna
take care of pockets

1441
02:02:20,400 --> 02:02:25,199
that you don't hold
before the car the motion don't get in

1442
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:30,000
there
and if people be all in the right

1443
02:02:27,760 --> 02:02:33,199
roadway
when you go

1444
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:38,320
no
we're old nephew department you really

1445
02:02:35,199 --> 02:02:42,080
don't want you to park there
yeah right

1446
02:02:40,080 --> 02:02:45,360
you know
it's not mo

1447
02:02:43,679 --> 02:02:49,920
i don't really care
but on the south here

1448
02:02:48,239 --> 02:02:54,960
where the biggest people focus their
health

1449
02:02:51,679 --> 02:02:58,960
and sadly it was those the cars on the
grass

1450
02:02:56,639 --> 02:03:03,840
that gonna spawn a beauty
that's all i'm trying to say

1451
02:03:01,199 --> 02:03:08,080
yeah before the name change
is all right

1452
02:03:05,199 --> 02:03:12,000
well we need to concentrate on where can
we get

1453
02:03:09,599 --> 02:03:17,119
the biggest apartment yes sir but it
always always

1454
02:03:15,199 --> 02:03:19,679
been a parking spot probably in
christmas eve

1455
02:03:25,440 --> 02:03:31,119
so well the special events process we're
proposing

1456
02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:34,480
we'll be forced to look at that and tell
the applicant the event

1457
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:38,800
how are you going to deal with parking
so we'll actually be able to address

1458
02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:43,840
that formally and we can also look at
opportunities

1459
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:43,840
off-site for working as well

1460
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:46,480
commissioner

1461
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:51,440
thank you mayor
um

1462
02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:56,079
well commissioner banks has kind of
raised the issues that i want to

1463
02:03:54,560 --> 02:03:58,320
bring up
um

1464
02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:07,280
this land is actually zoned
current zoning and in the future

1465
02:04:04,400 --> 02:04:11,440
landings now the conservation land
and

1466
02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:14,880
the staff report on this issue
has always said well

1467
02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:19,920
you can
have a park in conservation land

1468
02:04:17,679 --> 02:04:25,040
because
the conservation zoning description

1469
02:04:22,960 --> 02:04:28,960
says that parks are allowed
but i do not feel that that is accurate

1470
02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:32,480
and
i gave you a little

1471
02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:37,119
write up on this
i'm quoting directly from the zoning

1472
02:04:35,199 --> 02:04:42,960
category language
it doesn't just say parks

1473
02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:48,639
the conservation zone says
lands designated as conservation allows

1474
02:04:46,079 --> 02:04:53,199
uses which are consistent with the
primary goal of preserving natural

1475
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:58,719
habitat
use potential of these areas is limited

1476
02:04:56,480 --> 02:05:04,400
to natural open space
limited

1477
02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:09,119
recreation use and resource protection
within the conservation district the

1478
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:13,599
following uses shall apply
and it says permitted uses a and b

1479
02:05:12,239 --> 02:05:18,480
and it names
local county or state forest

1480
02:05:16,400 --> 02:05:22,079
parks and preserves
public and private wildlife management

1481
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:27,840
areas
so it's not just any type of park

1482
02:05:25,920 --> 02:05:31,920
and the dictionary there's a whole
variety of parks you can have an

1483
02:05:29,679 --> 02:05:35,840
industrial park you can have a vault a
ballpark we have a dog park

1484
02:05:36,079 --> 02:05:45,679
the zoning category said
parks that are focused on preservation

1485
02:05:43,280 --> 02:05:49,280
the staff memo for a couple of meetings
has said

1486
02:05:46,840 --> 02:05:52,400
well conservation
zoning is the only category that allows

1487
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:57,040
a park
and that's apparently not true because

1488
02:05:54,800 --> 02:06:02,400
we have many other parks in the city
and their zoning is either recreation

1489
02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:05,760
or
public buildings

1490
02:06:04,239 --> 02:06:09,360
and views
that are

1491
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:12,560
it's not the word park that is
controlling

1492
02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:17,199
they're in zoning that deals with the
nature of the activity that occurs there

1493
02:06:14,880 --> 02:06:21,760
like recreation or whatever so here we
have conservation lab

1494
02:06:19,679 --> 02:06:29,040
and
commissioner banks has observed

1495
02:06:24,480 --> 02:06:33,599
that this area is being used for parking
when we had cups kids and kayaks the

1496
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:38,800
other day it was used for parking
there have been music events there that

1497
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:41,920
i don't think they really fit into the
actual zoning

1498
02:06:40,239 --> 02:06:46,400
but in addition
the area has been used for parking and

1499
02:06:43,920 --> 02:06:49,040
it's supposed to be conservation
so um

1500
02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:54,000
i
i just i think this is

1501
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:58,400
leading us a bit in the wrong direction
and i don't know if y'all

1502
02:06:55,920 --> 02:07:02,960
i mean
commissioner burton several months ago

1503
02:07:00,719 --> 02:07:06,079
said that she did not want this to be
conservation land she wanted it to be

1504
02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:13,920
used
and somehow naming this apart

1505
02:07:10,239 --> 02:07:16,880
seems to be a backdoor way to
change the zone somehow

1506
02:07:16,079 --> 02:07:19,679
but
anyway

1507
02:07:17,840 --> 02:07:24,480
i'm i'm just saying we're here let's be
careful here well i'm saying speaking if

1508
02:07:22,000 --> 02:07:30,719
there is an objective i'm not sure
whatever so

1509
02:07:27,119 --> 02:07:35,360
yeah mr burton uses the park but in a
very conservation manner

1510
02:07:33,760 --> 02:07:42,320
um
i also think that it's okay to have a

1511
02:07:39,599 --> 02:07:46,560
nice little music festival i shouldn't
say festival

1512
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:53,199
uh but a sunset uh
music van there in gazebo

1513
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:58,719
uh it's actually very delightful
uh commissioner burton also realizes

1514
02:07:56,000 --> 02:08:02,079
that there is a issue there
and we've discussed it

1515
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:07,760
um
charles and myself and my team on

1516
02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:11,280
how the different ways that we might
correct that

1517
02:08:09,280 --> 02:08:14,800
but we have to be given the opportunity
to put those plans in place

1518
02:08:13,360 --> 02:08:18,480
and hopefully
next year when we come back with our

1519
02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:23,440
sunset and stella
we will have that opportunity to show

1520
02:08:20,719 --> 02:08:28,400
you that we will be parking place
people in the right place

1521
02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:31,840
and and us they will not be on the grass
but we need that opportunity

1522
02:08:30,400 --> 02:08:35,360
to only get better
and hopefully

1523
02:08:33,360 --> 02:08:41,520
um that's that's really what it's all
about so to name it like cell's heart is

1524
02:08:39,040 --> 02:08:45,599
really just to make it a more friendly
kind of name you know just come to

1525
02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:49,520
lifestyle apart
um that's really what it is

1526
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:54,159
and and
you know we're also looking to put in a

1527
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:58,000
bird walk
uh through crescent city not only in

1528
02:08:56,719 --> 02:09:02,159
lake stella
that's as far as the conservation i

1529
02:09:00,239 --> 02:09:08,159
think is very important
and saturday i hope that commissioner

1530
02:09:05,199 --> 02:09:12,159
deville will come in learn about that
and how much that they help conservation

1531
02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:15,280
throughout
uh

1532
02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:17,760
a couple different places
so

1533
02:09:16,079 --> 02:09:23,040
you know i'm not sure where she's going
with this i understand what she's saying

1534
02:09:20,880 --> 02:09:27,119
conservation is very important i take it
to heart

1535
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:32,000
but i also think that you can use
an area and conserve it all at the same

1536
02:09:30,400 --> 02:09:34,880
time
okay

1537
02:09:33,199 --> 02:09:38,079
thank you we have any further discussion
because i'm ready to i'm ready to take

1538
02:09:36,639 --> 02:09:41,199
this to a vote if we have no other
discussion we've kind of

1539
02:09:39,679 --> 02:09:44,480
gone over this and gone over this and
gone over this so okay

1540
02:09:43,119 --> 02:09:48,800
we've never
actually discussed the zoning in detail

1541
02:09:46,960 --> 02:09:51,679
um i got an email today that was
addressed to

1542
02:09:50,079 --> 02:09:58,159
the commissioner commission and
honorable mayor meyers but it only had

1543
02:09:54,079 --> 02:10:00,639
my email on it my city email it was from
um

1544
02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:05,040
i think melissa
uh

1545
02:10:02,719 --> 02:10:09,599
okay did everybody get one of these i
brought copies in case she didn't

1546
02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:09,599
because it's a dress

1547
02:10:12,239 --> 02:10:15,119
it wasn't undressed

1548
02:10:22,480 --> 02:10:25,480
okay

1549
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:37,119
okay i'm fine i'm good i'm good i just
read it when i gave it to before i gave

1550
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:40,320
it to commissioner banks i'm sharing
with you

1551
02:10:38,400 --> 02:10:43,840
so she's not here she's got a birthday
party

1552
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:47,199
um
okay with that

1553
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:49,440
commissioners do we have any further
discussion

1554
02:10:48,639 --> 02:10:52,719
um
yes

1555
02:10:50,239 --> 02:10:56,560
i do um
melissa

1556
02:10:54,560 --> 02:11:01,040
when we had a workshop or hearing or
whatever it was

1557
02:10:57,760 --> 02:11:03,119
um she had the suggestion at the time
that

1558
02:11:02,239 --> 02:11:07,440
we
if we're gonna name it that we name it

1559
02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:12,480
lake stella conservation area or lake
stella conservation park

1560
02:11:10,239 --> 02:11:16,320
and i think that's a very good idea
because it reflects the actual downing

1561
02:11:17,040 --> 02:11:25,119
so it would be my suggestion that we
take first suggestion okay

1562
02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:29,679
thank you thank you very much um right
now we have a motion and we have a

1563
02:11:26,800 --> 02:11:35,440
second to name this lake stella park
so all in favor say aye aye

1564
02:11:33,440 --> 02:11:39,040
all opposed nay
no

1565
02:11:36,239 --> 02:11:39,040
okay you've

1566
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:44,639
thank you very much

1567
02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:53,119
let's go to resolution 2022-04
a resolution of the city of crescent

1568
02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:53,119
city florida establishing

1569
02:11:57,720 --> 02:12:04,220
[Music]

1570
02:12:04,880 --> 02:12:10,560
and actually there was a discussion
about hours way back

1571
02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:14,079
what goes on in the park and dusk is not
an impossible

1572
02:12:12,159 --> 02:12:16,800
time to close the park
and then the other issue is that we have

1573
02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:22,159
uh
several parks have lights so we have a

1574
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:26,320
student have a lighted uh baseball field
a lot of tennis courts and so forth so

1575
02:12:25,119 --> 02:12:30,320
uh we would not be able to use them
after dark even though we have lights so

1576
02:12:28,480 --> 02:12:35,679
our recommendation is that those signs
and the park hours be

1577
02:12:32,560 --> 02:12:41,040
open currently they say closed dust to 6
a.m

1578
02:12:36,639 --> 02:12:41,040
we change to say open 6 a.m to 9 p.m

1579
02:12:42,400 --> 02:12:49,040
this time i'm going to open it up for
any additional factual testimony for

1580
02:12:46,480 --> 02:12:54,079
against
open it up for public comment do we have

1581
02:12:50,800 --> 02:12:54,079
any public comment on this

1582
02:12:54,480 --> 02:12:58,960
please if you come forward state your
name and your address

1583
02:12:59,119 --> 02:13:08,239
this is nike cedar street um
i told you before i walk the trail so i

1584
02:13:05,679 --> 02:13:13,040
take care of the trash at the lake and i
noticed that the sign for dexter park

1585
02:13:10,800 --> 02:13:18,079
was on the floor so i leaned against the
fence and i was gone so i broke somebody

1586
02:13:15,920 --> 02:13:22,560
took care of that sign
and the problem that i'm finding is

1587
02:13:21,040 --> 02:13:27,440
the trash
and i don't know i i know there's a lot

1588
02:13:24,800 --> 02:13:33,280
of parents with kids and stuff i don't
know if we can have something pick up

1589
02:13:30,480 --> 02:13:38,480
your trash after you live live or
something like that because it's getting

1590
02:13:35,360 --> 02:13:43,119
into the water and like if i walk every
day i think there's no problem it goes

1591
02:13:40,800 --> 02:13:48,719
into the trash we have plenty of trash
cans that's not a problem i think the

1592
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:53,040
parents just need to be responsible for
their islands thank you okay thank you

1593
02:13:51,119 --> 02:13:59,480
very much
we haven't any other i don't think it's

1594
02:13:55,440 --> 02:13:59,480
all kids throwing drugs

1595
02:14:03,750 --> 02:14:06,859
[Music]

1596
02:14:09,920 --> 02:14:16,560
because
i said this i think last month i didn't

1597
02:14:15,199 --> 02:14:19,199
have anything to say about naming the
park

1598
02:14:17,840 --> 02:14:23,360
but that's not what you all talked about
for 10 minutes you talked about

1599
02:14:20,719 --> 02:14:28,560
conservation and use of a piece of land
not about native park i had something to

1600
02:14:25,760 --> 02:14:28,560
say about that

1601
02:14:29,760 --> 02:14:37,760
and i'll just play and say it now maybe
well some of us are worried about

1602
02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:45,119
conservation a little strip of land
you have tilled up all of the soil

1603
02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:45,119
planted the hair grass

1604
02:14:45,280 --> 02:14:53,199
poured a concrete sidewalk
there's nothing to conserve

1605
02:14:51,520 --> 02:14:57,520
the only thing to conserve is in the
lake

1606
02:14:54,719 --> 02:15:02,480
the wetland the grass that's in the lake
and we're not going to be parking or

1607
02:14:59,360 --> 02:15:02,480
doing anything on that

1608
02:15:03,520 --> 02:15:08,719
to say that
[Music]

1609
02:15:07,040 --> 02:15:12,800
only
a park can be an only conservation land

1610
02:15:10,719 --> 02:15:17,440
that's not what was said
what was said was that the only thing

1611
02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:22,320
you can do on conservation land
is have a park it doesn't have to be

1612
02:15:19,280 --> 02:15:27,360
conservation land to be a park
but this congress conservation land

1613
02:15:25,280 --> 02:15:30,079
it can only be a park did i say that
[Music]

1614
02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:33,119
so
um

1615
02:15:32,239 --> 02:15:37,760
and
we're all worried about

1616
02:15:35,760 --> 02:15:42,400
uh
go look at the grass

1617
02:15:40,320 --> 02:15:46,320
we parked there for three or four events
uh in the last month or two and there's

1618
02:15:44,560 --> 02:15:50,320
nothing wrong with the grass we don't
have a parking problem

1619
02:15:48,159 --> 02:15:55,440
for an event that's going to have 20
people at that little gazebo

1620
02:15:53,520 --> 02:16:00,079
yeah the town doesn't have a parking
parking problem

1621
02:15:58,239 --> 02:16:04,639
but again if we could move these the
public comment to a point where we've

1622
02:16:01,679 --> 02:16:09,040
actually got something to say or
let's keep the meeting

1623
02:16:07,280 --> 02:16:13,199
keep the comments on
the motion one point a minute ago we

1624
02:16:11,679 --> 02:16:16,400
talked about how long these meetings go
that's because we talk about everything

1625
02:16:15,199 --> 02:16:20,239
under the sun
during while we're supposed to be

1626
02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:25,119
talking about the motion
so uh that would fix that

1627
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:27,760
so there's two in one thank you thank
you very much

1628
02:16:28,400 --> 02:16:37,280
okay anybody else any other comments
thank you commissioners

1629
02:16:34,800 --> 02:16:41,840
okay i'm a fisherman i want to get my
boat out five o'clock in the morning but

1630
02:16:39,679 --> 02:16:46,319
i can't take it out in the park until
six

1631
02:16:42,719 --> 02:16:50,160
is that gonna be a problem
well the ramp the ramps

1632
02:16:48,880 --> 02:16:55,120
i don't think this really covers the
ramp there's no hours at the ramp

1633
02:16:52,719 --> 02:16:57,599
you drop your boat park your truck and
go

1634
02:16:56,160 --> 02:17:02,000
so i don't see this company
fishermen sometimes like our crappie

1635
02:16:59,439 --> 02:17:05,359
nights they go in they they'll go
most of the night our person will do the

1636
02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:12,200
same thing to be
misconstrued

1637
02:17:07,519 --> 02:17:12,200
actually occupy the park prior to 6am

1638
02:17:20,960 --> 02:17:25,280
neil nelson sunrise park yes

1639
02:17:25,359 --> 02:17:32,399
the lawyers got
an argument could be made both ways

1640
02:17:30,559 --> 02:17:37,679
okay i didn't even think about that
to use the ramp before system well maybe

1641
02:17:34,719 --> 02:17:40,160
if we just excluding programs
or something like a small change where

1642
02:17:38,960 --> 02:17:43,200
there's no
ambiguity nobody

1643
02:17:43,679 --> 02:17:50,800
what you have what you have over at
marjory neal is um

1644
02:17:48,479 --> 02:17:53,920
you have to have two categories over
there you have those people that are

1645
02:17:52,399 --> 02:17:56,639
coming and going with their boats that
are parking the boats there and then you

1646
02:17:55,200 --> 02:18:01,840
have the people that
visit and sit over in the gazebo

1647
02:17:59,200 --> 02:18:04,240
so we have to figure out how we want to
address

1648
02:18:02,960 --> 02:18:06,479
or if y'all don't think it'd be a
problem

1649
02:18:06,719 --> 02:18:14,399
um i think it'd be no problem in the
past could you add some language to the

1650
02:18:11,439 --> 02:18:18,319
to the resolution can we add resolution
to the

1651
02:18:15,439 --> 02:18:22,319
language to this that said that those
that are

1652
02:18:19,519 --> 02:18:29,040
launching or
what's the correct word for loading

1653
02:18:24,479 --> 02:18:29,040
their boats it's not applicable to them

1654
02:18:34,319 --> 02:18:39,479
because basically you're not going to
see them until they come in

1655
02:18:51,120 --> 02:18:57,040
big park and
i visit other parks

1656
02:18:55,760 --> 02:19:01,280
and i think
that this is going to create some

1657
02:18:58,960 --> 02:19:07,840
problems for us
and i looked at what other parks do

1658
02:19:04,639 --> 02:19:10,399
i have a question for the city manager
because

1659
02:19:09,120 --> 02:19:16,639
um
i'm not understanding why well maybe the

1660
02:19:13,679 --> 02:19:21,760
word dusk is you think it's not legally
enforceable

1661
02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:25,679
the captain captain astrid said dusk is
a matter of opinion

1662
02:19:23,599 --> 02:19:31,359
well interpretation okay we'll just just
wait a minute here because i've looked

1663
02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:35,599
up parks all over the state
in the state of florida all the parks in

1664
02:19:33,280 --> 02:19:37,840
our area duns creek
um

1665
02:19:38,080 --> 02:19:44,240
well stephen foster full cultural park i
think we'll be in the claw creek park

1666
02:19:43,359 --> 02:19:49,760
um
they all close at sundown

1667
02:19:46,479 --> 02:19:52,080
or sunset um
i think

1668
02:19:53,439 --> 02:19:59,600
actually in the traffic statute
um

1669
02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:04,479
you have
they define twilight twilight show me

1670
02:20:01,920 --> 02:20:07,439
the time between sunset and full night
that's when you have to have your lights

1671
02:20:05,840 --> 02:20:10,800
on so
dusk might be uh maybe a little

1672
02:20:09,680 --> 02:20:16,080
difficult
but sunset is

1673
02:20:13,600 --> 02:20:19,439
a legal standard in the florida statutes
and as well sunset times

1674
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:25,359
are
clearly available on the weather channel

1675
02:20:21,520 --> 02:20:25,359
department of agriculture website so

1676
02:20:26,000 --> 02:20:33,600
what many cities do is
they have and this speaks to boats

1677
02:20:31,760 --> 02:20:36,640
and in addition to the fishing boats i
would say the kayaks

1678
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:41,680
for specific areas that are lighted i
notice

1679
02:20:40,180 --> 02:20:48,800
[Music]
for example in interlocking their tennis

1680
02:20:44,479 --> 02:20:52,080
courts are open until 9 00 pm
we could

1681
02:20:50,160 --> 02:20:57,280
specifically exempt
launching of boats and kayaks or coming

1682
02:20:54,160 --> 02:20:59,760
in of votes and kayaks
but i think we're going to have a

1683
02:20:58,479 --> 02:21:03,840
problem because
all of our parks are not lighted and

1684
02:21:01,920 --> 02:21:06,800
most of our parks are in residential
areas

1685
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:10,160
in our parks
so in the winter

1686
02:21:08,640 --> 02:21:13,200
people will be there
for it's going to be dark from six to

1687
02:21:11,760 --> 02:21:15,680
nine
when it's dark

1688
02:21:14,800 --> 02:21:20,479
um
there's all kind of things that go on in

1689
02:21:18,160 --> 02:21:25,200
our parks we've had vandalism
um we have drinking

1690
02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:30,319
in evil lions park there's
empty fists of liquor

1691
02:21:27,120 --> 02:21:34,880
whatever we have people who are homeless
if um we have people playing around

1692
02:21:32,800 --> 02:21:38,319
music the people who live on west grand
london sometimes have a problem with

1693
02:21:37,200 --> 02:21:43,359
people
a local business told me that there's

1694
02:21:40,640 --> 02:21:43,359
different kinds of

1695
02:21:43,600 --> 02:21:47,520
dealing over there
so to me

1696
02:21:46,560 --> 02:21:52,840
um
i think that it should be

1697
02:21:50,640 --> 02:21:59,359
specifically sunset which is a legal
standard um except for the specific park

1698
02:21:56,880 --> 02:22:03,920
areas that are like the tennis court the
alliance okay and the ball field and

1699
02:22:01,920 --> 02:22:09,720
then we can also address
the buttons okay thank you

1700
02:22:06,240 --> 02:22:09,720
commissioner burton

1701
02:22:11,760 --> 02:22:19,120
however okay i'm not sure exactly where
you would post that every day

1702
02:22:17,359 --> 02:22:22,960
so that somebody knows what time you got
to come in or

1703
02:22:20,399 --> 02:22:22,960
what time you

1704
02:22:24,090 --> 02:22:27,399
[Music]

1705
02:22:28,399 --> 02:22:35,280
um
so i just think it would be easier to

1706
02:22:31,760 --> 02:22:41,120
set sometimes some some solid
times to open and close it's just easier

1707
02:22:38,960 --> 02:22:45,680
and you have your winter hours your
summer hours because summer goes longer

1708
02:22:44,399 --> 02:22:49,040
winter shorter
and and

1709
02:22:47,439 --> 02:22:54,000
that's very clear
okay to our sheriff and our

1710
02:22:52,479 --> 02:22:57,920
his deputies
but time to

1711
02:22:55,680 --> 02:23:05,720
close things up and people should be in
there after those certain hours

1712
02:23:01,120 --> 02:23:05,720
that's why i feel about it okay yeah

1713
02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:14,960
hours
use of boat ramps shall be permitted

1714
02:23:12,960 --> 02:23:20,800
i think it would be early enough
it would be firing to 5 a.m

1715
02:23:19,120 --> 02:23:23,920
well it just depends because some of
them are coming in some of them come in

1716
02:23:22,479 --> 02:23:27,520
at one o'clock you've got people out
there shrimping and they'll shrimp all

1717
02:23:25,600 --> 02:23:32,640
you know they'll shrink most of night
so i think at 24 7 i mean 24 hours a day

1718
02:23:31,040 --> 02:23:36,720
you should be able to allow to get your
vote in and out of there and if you get

1719
02:23:35,120 --> 02:23:40,800
what happens if you break down out there
and all of a sudden you're you're being

1720
02:23:38,720 --> 02:23:43,600
towed in and it's two o'clock in the
morning there's a deputy sitting there

1721
02:23:42,479 --> 02:23:46,240
you know
and you

1722
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:51,520
yeah
here's something else i have a friend

1723
02:23:48,479 --> 02:23:57,520
that her room has a kayak they like to
do a moon might run occasionally

1724
02:23:55,040 --> 02:24:01,200
if the water the weather is pretty it's
gorgeous out but this would restrict

1725
02:24:00,000 --> 02:24:03,359
that too
yeah

1726
02:24:01,920 --> 02:24:09,600
so if we just put something in there
about launching of kayaks

1727
02:24:06,720 --> 02:24:15,720
and kayaks and a recreational you know
24 hours but the rest of it where people

1728
02:24:12,080 --> 02:24:15,720
are sitting around

1729
02:24:22,060 --> 02:24:26,799
[Music]

1730
02:24:27,120 --> 02:24:33,600
is because there's about a two and a
half hour swing

1731
02:24:31,520 --> 02:24:39,359
during the course of the year
and

1732
02:24:34,800 --> 02:24:42,399
sunset is a very definable standard and
i think it's common sense for law

1733
02:24:41,120 --> 02:24:45,439
enforcement
um

1734
02:24:43,280 --> 02:24:50,000
that they're not going to
we don't even arrest people we trespass

1735
02:24:48,080 --> 02:24:53,439
them or ask them to leave
but

1736
02:24:51,040 --> 02:24:56,479
all of our well not all but the majority
of our parks are in residential

1737
02:24:54,800 --> 02:25:01,200
neighborhoods
having people there i mean we want to

1738
02:24:58,560 --> 02:25:04,399
give people full use while it's light
and in lighted areas but having people

1739
02:25:03,600 --> 02:25:07,359
there
while it's

1740
02:25:05,760 --> 02:25:11,920
dark is just
asking

1741
02:25:08,640 --> 02:25:16,240
for trouble it's hard enough we only
have really

1742
02:25:13,439 --> 02:25:20,319
one officer on duty at a time
and

1743
02:25:17,520 --> 02:25:27,439
i just think this is a problem
if we say sunset which the state of

1744
02:25:22,720 --> 02:25:27,439
florida uses and other towns use

1745
02:25:27,760 --> 02:25:33,200
we are supposed to post that
and certainly

1746
02:25:31,439 --> 02:25:36,880
that lets deputies know that when it's
pitch dark the people aren't supposed to

1747
02:25:34,800 --> 02:25:40,399
be there i think in state parks that
i've ever gone to

1748
02:25:38,640 --> 02:25:43,280
you know when it's sun when the sun is
setting that's your time to pack up the

1749
02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:47,040
home
um but certainly when it goes from

1750
02:25:45,280 --> 02:25:50,720
sunset to dark
that is that's a pretty bright line

1751
02:25:49,680 --> 02:25:52,960
and
okay

1752
02:25:58,550 --> 02:26:01,600
[Music]

1753
02:26:04,720 --> 02:26:11,760
that we should accept the specific
lighted areas like the tennis court for

1754
02:26:09,359 --> 02:26:15,840
the ballpark and as well
be launching and

1755
02:26:14,240 --> 02:26:20,880
coming in i don't know what words you
use for that

1756
02:26:17,600 --> 02:26:26,000
for votes and um
boats and kayaks and we want to cover

1757
02:26:23,760 --> 02:26:26,000
okay

1758
02:26:27,359 --> 02:26:33,600
do you have a suggestion i do uh we
don't have a motion yet one thing um

1759
02:26:31,760 --> 02:26:36,960
yeah about the boat raft say something
like i don't know if it's the right term

1760
02:26:35,200 --> 02:26:40,640
launching slash retrieving the
watercraft from boat ramps has committed

1761
02:26:38,800 --> 02:26:44,319
24 hours per day
but i thought on the other point um if

1762
02:26:42,960 --> 02:26:47,280
we were to say
it's

1763
02:26:45,120 --> 02:26:50,720
it's uh
i think this is not too complicated six

1764
02:26:49,040 --> 02:26:55,439
a.m to nine pm
april through september i was thinking

1765
02:26:52,880 --> 02:27:00,640
at least six a.m to
six pm

1766
02:26:57,120 --> 02:27:02,960
yeah um october to march
or you

1767
02:27:08,190 --> 02:27:12,720
[Music]
well then we're gonna have to change it

1768
02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:17,840
anyway because then we'll be lit up till
nine o'clock anyway so so we'll have to

1769
02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:20,800
this will have to come back to us again
so but i understand what you're saying i

1770
02:27:19,520 --> 02:27:25,120
was thinking the same thing that that
would be a way to alleviate that yes sir

1771
02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:28,880
commissioner banks well let me say that
here we go beating the dead once again

1772
02:27:27,920 --> 02:27:33,920
i don't know
now uh look

1773
02:27:30,880 --> 02:27:37,680
i think a problem is
do we have with the box now

1774
02:27:36,800 --> 02:27:42,960
we
it depends on who you ask they're very

1775
02:27:40,000 --> 02:27:47,600
quiet it's been very quiet
um no not exactly we have people

1776
02:27:45,840 --> 02:27:50,560
sleeping in the parks drinking in the
parks

1777
02:27:48,560 --> 02:27:55,040
driving their cars and the parks after
dark i'm basically speaking about the

1778
02:27:52,720 --> 02:27:55,040
time

1779
02:27:56,319 --> 02:28:03,439
you know you can't control
everything people does in the park

1780
02:28:01,280 --> 02:28:06,960
because you ain't got the number offers
they sit out there and watch

1781
02:28:06,160 --> 02:28:10,960
okay
but what we're trying to do here now

1782
02:28:08,800 --> 02:28:14,640
come up with a time
just to make it enforceable for them

1783
02:28:15,700 --> 02:28:21,439
[Music]
and we're going back to the top and we

1784
02:28:19,120 --> 02:28:24,720
ain't going nowhere well charles has
made a record

1785
02:28:23,040 --> 02:28:28,800
charles has made a recommendation so
commissioners i'm going to ask with his

1786
02:28:26,319 --> 02:28:34,240
recommendation does anybody want to make
a motion to accept his suggestions

1787
02:28:31,760 --> 02:28:41,399
i know that we accept charles new
suggestion for the parks april to

1788
02:28:36,800 --> 02:28:41,399
september and then october

1789
02:28:42,000 --> 02:28:51,200
okay we have a motion we have a second
do we have any further discussion

1790
02:28:47,840 --> 02:28:55,000
all in favor say aye aye
all opposed nay

1791
02:29:01,710 --> 02:29:04,760
[Music]

1792
02:29:05,359 --> 02:29:08,359
okay

1793
02:29:08,880 --> 02:29:13,120
okay
with that we're going to go ahead and

1794
02:29:11,600 --> 02:29:17,920
open up charles i'm going to turn it
over to you with our business items

1795
02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:22,960
well the first item
is

1796
02:29:20,840 --> 02:29:29,000
um present
two thousand enforcement

1797
02:29:24,960 --> 02:29:29,000
cases that are coming to you from

1798
02:29:43,120 --> 02:29:46,120
like

1799
02:29:51,439 --> 02:29:54,840
make your wife

1800
02:30:02,220 --> 02:30:05,379
[Music]

1801
02:30:30,720 --> 02:30:33,720
is

1802
02:30:44,840 --> 02:30:50,880
okay let's go
this was um

1803
02:30:51,120 --> 02:30:59,920
zero seven zero two zero four
the address is 40 east grand london

1804
02:30:56,640 --> 02:31:04,560
violations for chapter chapter 10.
section 10

1805
02:31:01,280 --> 02:31:07,760
20 23 27 and 28.
this was a property we sent a demand

1806
02:31:06,080 --> 02:31:13,640
letter notifying we were going to go to
foreclosure

1807
02:31:09,600 --> 02:31:13,640
this is a copy of the codes

1808
02:31:14,880 --> 02:31:23,200
first word uh first violation was first
observed in november of 2006

1809
02:31:21,280 --> 02:31:27,760
with a notice of code violation going to
the property owner

1810
02:31:25,920 --> 02:31:31,760
yes three code
the latest was may 24th

1811
02:31:32,399 --> 02:31:35,200
2022

1812
02:31:35,920 --> 02:31:47,439
fight approved for
5465 days at 25 a day april 10th

1813
02:31:43,439 --> 02:31:52,800
2007 to march 27th 2022
total flight approved 136

1814
02:31:50,160 --> 02:31:56,720
625
affidavit compliance was filed march

1815
02:31:54,960 --> 02:32:05,600
28th
2022 received requests for the reduction

1816
02:32:01,439 --> 02:32:12,080
on april 7th 202.
in february of 2022 the city attorney

1817
02:32:08,640 --> 02:32:15,520
sent a demand letter to foreclose on the
uh quick enforcement lane

1818
02:32:17,120 --> 02:32:25,120
two pictures that i
took one was on march 10

1819
02:32:22,479 --> 02:32:29,760
and once one was may 18th
park the owner has gone in and secured

1820
02:32:27,280 --> 02:32:29,760
the building

1821
02:32:31,600 --> 02:32:35,359
she's here we'd like to speak to her

1822
02:32:36,880 --> 02:32:44,479
staff recommendation was to reduce the
fine to a thousand dollars payable

1823
02:32:40,960 --> 02:32:47,920
within 30 days of today's meeting
the heirs of many families requested

1824
02:32:46,560 --> 02:32:52,880
that finding
the bond be reduced to zero

1825
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:58,960
and on may 24th 2022 the code
enforcement board recommendation

1826
02:32:55,040 --> 02:32:58,960
is the supply to be reduced to zero

1827
02:32:59,520 --> 02:33:06,120
and uh
ron whoever is here if you'd like to

1828
02:33:02,720 --> 02:33:06,120
speak okay

1829
02:33:07,359 --> 02:33:09,600
um

1830
02:33:09,680 --> 02:33:18,240
it's just been going on for five years
yes okay now hear me out okay

1831
02:33:16,160 --> 02:33:21,240
um first thing that was a lot of years
where

1832
02:33:26,550 --> 02:33:30,610
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1833
02:33:33,740 --> 02:33:37,549
[Music]

1834
02:33:41,860 --> 02:33:44,919
[Music]

1835
02:33:55,760 --> 02:34:03,080
15 years to really sit there
in bad shape

1836
02:34:10,399 --> 02:34:14,880
but when is the house really in
compliance

1837
02:34:14,160 --> 02:34:19,459
when
when

1838
02:34:16,270 --> 02:34:19,459
[Music]

1839
02:34:20,960 --> 02:34:27,760
so what's the next step
this case was from 2007

1840
02:34:26,800 --> 02:34:32,640
i
don't have

1841
02:34:29,200 --> 02:34:32,640
very much paperwork on it

1842
02:34:33,200 --> 02:34:40,000
there was another building on this
property that was the original violation

1843
02:34:36,960 --> 02:34:40,000
and not this house

1844
02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:46,160
i believe the
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1845
02:34:43,439 --> 02:34:50,160
building was taken down
probably years ago and the city didn't

1846
02:34:48,960 --> 02:34:53,280
close the
closed case

1847
02:34:51,520 --> 02:34:59,120
there's nothing in the file that says
they ever made a re-inspection after the

1848
02:34:55,680 --> 02:35:02,800
code enforcement hearings um so i don't
have anything to go on except for i've

1849
02:35:01,200 --> 02:35:07,200
seen myself
this is 15 years later like what's that

1850
02:35:05,120 --> 02:35:12,399
but what is it when was this house built
this house that we're looking at now

1851
02:35:09,040 --> 02:35:12,399
that's not in compliance to

1852
02:35:20,160 --> 02:35:27,160
how long i don't know
i know it wasn't built in 2022

1853
02:35:32,720 --> 02:35:37,439
first we need to establish
um

1854
02:35:36,240 --> 02:35:40,640
miss burton
that

1855
02:35:38,240 --> 02:35:43,520
defines or inaccurate
they were not correct

1856
02:35:42,240 --> 02:35:46,560
um
when we received the letter from their

1857
02:35:45,439 --> 02:35:52,080
attorney
that we didn't even know fines were

1858
02:35:48,640 --> 02:35:57,920
going on the property because what was
asked my father built some buildings was

1859
02:35:55,680 --> 02:36:03,120
building additional apartments and he
never finished him and we were asked to

1860
02:36:00,319 --> 02:36:08,560
tear them down and we complied with what
was asked to do to tear them down

1861
02:36:06,080 --> 02:36:11,439
so
after that

1862
02:36:10,000 --> 02:36:16,800
the only thing
that you could say that we did not do as

1863
02:36:14,160 --> 02:36:21,280
far as is keep up the property but the
timeline of saying that

1864
02:36:19,040 --> 02:36:26,560
um that was not taking care of
everything that we were asked to do

1865
02:36:23,600 --> 02:36:30,560
we it was taken care of barshare was the
code enforcement officer

1866
02:36:28,399 --> 02:36:36,960
another incident that was taking place
is that when the officers

1867
02:36:32,479 --> 02:36:36,960
were after a suspect that

1868
02:36:37,520 --> 02:36:44,960
and we were asked to clean that up
so and that's the that's the next thing

1869
02:36:43,120 --> 02:36:48,319
but what took place
is that these files were never closed

1870
02:36:47,120 --> 02:36:54,399
back
but we took care of when we were asked

1871
02:36:51,520 --> 02:36:59,520
to do something we took care of it
and i i think i understand that i just

1872
02:36:56,399 --> 02:37:05,680
don't understand how city that's us
can keep this thing wrong

1873
02:37:01,520 --> 02:37:09,520
okay and when really um from
2007

1874
02:37:07,920 --> 02:37:12,319
at some point
you know

1875
02:37:10,560 --> 02:37:17,600
you got to step in
i mean what's our what's our procedure

1876
02:37:14,240 --> 02:37:22,080
when do when we go to border here we
aren't we hearing the fine reduction not

1877
02:37:20,720 --> 02:37:28,720
i mean shouldn't this be a different
item on the agenda

1878
02:37:24,240 --> 02:37:30,880
doesn't pass history yeah no yes we are
now

1879
02:37:31,359 --> 02:37:39,200
excuse me sir
i'm gonna ask you to

1880
02:37:36,560 --> 02:37:41,280
go ahead oh no i was just saying
that

1881
02:37:40,160 --> 02:37:46,000
um
i didn't understand what you're saying

1882
02:37:43,439 --> 02:37:49,439
you know it's crazy and but like i said
when i

1883
02:37:46,880 --> 02:37:54,160
i'm concerned about all of
the folks that

1884
02:37:51,120 --> 02:37:56,240
are in our situation that have a fire
going on

1885
02:37:55,280 --> 02:38:01,600
that
did not know what fine was going on

1886
02:37:59,120 --> 02:38:05,760
um and this was prior to her getting
here

1887
02:38:02,560 --> 02:38:11,280
so and that needs to be noted that
these are five this there is a case way

1888
02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:15,760
long before she took this position so
we've had we had um michael was in

1889
02:38:14,160 --> 02:38:21,040
between share
bob share and and pam too so this is

1890
02:38:18,560 --> 02:38:25,600
three code enforcement officers okay yes
and so that's that is why we're asking

1891
02:38:23,600 --> 02:38:30,080
it to be reduced we have requested that
it be reduced to zero because i mean we

1892
02:38:28,479 --> 02:38:34,640
shouldn't be penalized for something
that we did not know that we were

1893
02:38:32,240 --> 02:38:38,960
unaware of okay and pam you haven't been
able to find anything in your file

1894
02:38:36,399 --> 02:38:43,439
showing that it was
the proper documentation is that correct

1895
02:38:41,359 --> 02:38:47,520
no there's no documentation um the only
thing i didn't find

1896
02:38:45,280 --> 02:38:47,520
um

1897
02:38:47,760 --> 02:38:52,720
there was an issue with permits
but i checked with the building

1898
02:38:51,439 --> 02:38:55,040
department and there were not any
permits pulled

1899
02:38:54,319 --> 02:39:00,000
but
like ms glover stated in the code

1900
02:38:57,040 --> 02:39:03,760
enforcement hearing
the city just wanted the building taken

1901
02:39:01,840 --> 02:39:08,720
down so they just did what they had to
do to be in compliance

1902
02:39:06,240 --> 02:39:14,160
the house is there now was not the issue
back in 2007. okay okay correct yeah i'm

1903
02:39:12,640 --> 02:39:18,399
living in that house
yes yes because at that time my

1904
02:39:16,319 --> 02:39:22,720
stepmother was living there and my
father and he passed away the end of

1905
02:39:20,720 --> 02:39:27,040
2006
and then my niece moved there

1906
02:39:24,720 --> 02:39:31,310
and um and i don't know anything i've
noticed on there about abandoned cars

1907
02:39:28,800 --> 02:39:33,359
we've never had any cars there okay so
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1908
02:39:32,399 --> 02:39:37,120
yeah
that makes sense

1909
02:39:34,960 --> 02:39:37,120
yeah

1910
02:39:40,560 --> 02:39:44,960
and again that's on us and that's
something else we're going to have to

1911
02:39:43,120 --> 02:39:47,760
deal with we'll deal with that
we don't need to deal with that

1912
02:39:46,170 --> 02:39:52,399
[Music]
a different time right now we've got

1913
02:39:49,439 --> 02:39:55,920
this on in front of us um i do want to
ask you this as far as

1914
02:39:54,319 --> 02:40:00,960
you're not the sole owner of this
correct no so you have you have to

1915
02:39:58,960 --> 02:40:06,720
decisions have to be made with that and
and i mean and we want it's been in our

1916
02:40:03,280 --> 02:40:10,399
family it was my great grandmother's
home and um

1917
02:40:08,479 --> 02:40:15,680
so it's been in our family for a long
time and we're hoping that we can figure

1918
02:40:12,880 --> 02:40:19,680
out to some way to restore the house or
to do

1919
02:40:16,880 --> 02:40:23,520
um something we're you know uh with the
home are just tearing down okay so we're

1920
02:40:22,479 --> 02:40:28,880
we are
we're not just um ignoring it but we

1921
02:40:26,960 --> 02:40:33,840
that's what we're hoping to do okay
thank you commissioner vida you had a

1922
02:40:30,479 --> 02:40:37,840
comment um yes you had a question you
asked it so which is what is the

1923
02:40:36,000 --> 02:40:41,520
relationship of miss glover you're one
of the maddie fabian heirs yes okay

1924
02:40:40,800 --> 02:40:45,359
so
um

1925
02:40:42,720 --> 02:40:47,680
in your materials and i think i remember
this

1926
02:40:47,760 --> 02:40:53,120
i
wasn't there another issue with the

1927
02:40:50,319 --> 02:40:57,520
house or with the property about cleanup
and this is really a question for

1928
02:40:55,600 --> 02:41:02,720
miss taylor
wasn't there a mowing issue were there

1929
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:06,800
fines that approved in 2019 relating to
the mowings

1930
02:41:04,240 --> 02:41:11,920
in 2019 right miss glover's because i
think i remember it maybe you've been

1931
02:41:08,640 --> 02:41:17,040
coming to the commission i don't know
maybe there's a picture

1932
02:41:14,319 --> 02:41:21,600
well it says in 2019 it was brought that
um there was concern and they requested

1933
02:41:19,680 --> 02:41:25,120
that the property be cleaned up and if
the issue was taken care of right but

1934
02:41:23,439 --> 02:41:29,600
usually i'm just
i'm just curious why i mean it's had

1935
02:41:28,080 --> 02:41:36,479
issues over the years
there's no administrative fee

1936
02:41:31,840 --> 02:41:36,479
um obviously 136 000

1937
02:41:37,200 --> 02:41:45,120
costs in your package
okay the code enforcement board said

1938
02:41:41,120 --> 02:41:45,120
they did not want to oppose the cost

1939
02:41:49,200 --> 02:41:54,000
the administrative costs why did they
choose not to impose the administrative

1940
02:41:52,880 --> 02:41:56,640
costs
when when that's kind of something that

1941
02:41:55,680 --> 02:42:00,479
we've
spoken to them before about they felt

1942
02:41:59,439 --> 02:42:03,359
that it was
a fair thing to do

1943
02:42:03,840 --> 02:42:07,760
okay
okay

1944
02:42:06,240 --> 02:42:12,240
all right and mayor i would just like to
say one thing as far as why custody does

1945
02:42:10,240 --> 02:42:15,920
what it does miss taylor has only been
working here okay we're not you've

1946
02:42:14,399 --> 02:42:18,880
already called pulling moyer on that and
we've decided that we're not going to

1947
02:42:17,200 --> 02:42:24,000
discuss this further until i think
there's no city employee sitting at this

1948
02:42:22,240 --> 02:42:28,080
standing of the podium or sitting at the
table that worked here with any of this

1949
02:42:25,920 --> 02:42:32,000
one right we understand that
thank you

1950
02:42:29,840 --> 02:42:35,920
okay commissioners do we have any other
questions

1951
02:42:33,439 --> 02:42:40,640
i do have one more comment yes when i
bring a case to the code enforcement

1952
02:42:38,080 --> 02:42:45,040
board and then to the commission
the

1953
02:42:41,920 --> 02:42:49,840
request for fine reduction states that
the property has to be in compliance

1954
02:42:47,680 --> 02:42:55,359
this house was not the issue back in
2007 but they had to do something to

1955
02:42:52,720 --> 02:42:59,120
bring it secure
to bring it before you tonight and they

1956
02:42:57,439 --> 02:43:03,120
did that and they didn't do that there's
pictures in your packet that this

1957
02:43:00,880 --> 02:43:07,279
plumber submitted to me
that i i passed along

1958
02:43:05,439 --> 02:43:12,000
okay
okay commissioners so you're saying that

1959
02:43:09,279 --> 02:43:16,080
this house has been incomplete there was
another house that was not there was

1960
02:43:14,240 --> 02:43:19,439
another building so that was the one
that was not in compliance this one's

1961
02:43:17,680 --> 02:43:22,800
been in compliance very long that's what
you're saying

1962
02:43:20,720 --> 02:43:27,439
it's not based on compliance all along
but it's in compliance before i took it

1963
02:43:24,720 --> 02:43:31,520
to the source report
once you were noticed on it

1964
02:43:29,359 --> 02:43:36,479
you brought it into compliance and you
closed it up you shorted out

1965
02:43:33,600 --> 02:43:42,720
and you didn't show it up but you yes
and and like those fines are on

1966
02:43:39,920 --> 02:43:47,520
another building it that
that's running on the um

1967
02:43:45,279 --> 02:43:51,040
the additional buildings that my father
had built that we were

1968
02:43:49,279 --> 02:43:57,279
asked to tear down
oh not anything to do with this house

1969
02:43:55,120 --> 02:43:57,279
okay

1970
02:43:58,399 --> 02:44:05,120
no we don't have a motion yet
you can make a connection

1971
02:44:02,560 --> 02:44:09,279
okay and there's a reason for that um
i would

1972
02:44:06,240 --> 02:44:15,120
well i'm not sure what i should i guess
provided that it remains in compliance

1973
02:44:12,000 --> 02:44:19,760
until the administrative costs are paid
um i would move that we

1974
02:44:17,439 --> 02:44:21,920
take the code board's recommendation to
waive

1975
02:44:20,960 --> 02:44:28,240
the
liens and reduce the lands to zero

1976
02:44:25,840 --> 02:44:31,520
but that the administrative class should
be imposed

1977
02:44:29,600 --> 02:44:35,920
and i say the administrative plus
because

1978
02:44:33,439 --> 02:44:40,720
the house has had to come or the
property has had to come before the code

1979
02:44:38,399 --> 02:44:45,200
of course by board and
the officer has had to take some action

1980
02:44:42,960 --> 02:44:48,800
so i think it's fair
to require payment of the administrative

1981
02:44:47,040 --> 02:44:53,120
fee just because
if there has been

1982
02:44:50,560 --> 02:44:56,160
a certain amount of slippage and
code enforcement has had to take action

1983
02:44:55,439 --> 02:44:58,800
and
but the

1984
02:44:57,200 --> 02:45:02,560
lien or decline
reduced to viewers okay when you with

1985
02:45:00,880 --> 02:45:05,680
your motion i just want to bring to your
attention that's the part of that

1986
02:45:04,080 --> 02:45:10,960
administrative
um include dates back to 06 which was on

1987
02:45:09,200 --> 02:45:17,279
the building that was brought into
compliance that we have negated the um

1988
02:45:14,000 --> 02:45:21,840
finance so you might want to start a
date on those administrative costs

1989
02:45:19,279 --> 02:45:25,920
starting at a certain time specific
date specific

1990
02:45:23,520 --> 02:45:30,160
um and back some of those out from the
06 and we have seven i'm just making

1991
02:45:28,240 --> 02:45:33,600
that bringing that to your attention to
make sure that that's not overlooked

1992
02:45:32,720 --> 02:45:39,040
um
no because i mean that did require i

1993
02:45:36,240 --> 02:45:43,600
mean it did require action by the city
to get something done and it's not a

1994
02:45:41,680 --> 02:45:47,120
huge amount of money and
i i just think that it's a matter of

1995
02:45:45,840 --> 02:45:49,760
fairness
okay

1996
02:45:48,399 --> 02:45:55,600
so pam you're looking at the
administrative costs being 297.89

1997
02:45:53,439 --> 02:45:59,760
correct
and with that we would put a lien if

1998
02:45:57,840 --> 02:46:03,920
that's not paid then we would put a lien
just on the property so at any time in

1999
02:46:02,080 --> 02:46:08,560
the future it was sold then that would
be payable to the

2000
02:46:05,840 --> 02:46:12,080
city is that correct
and it's a very valuable piece of

2001
02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:17,600
coverage
okay commissioners you've um heard

2002
02:46:14,560 --> 02:46:19,840
commissioner devito's
motion

2003
02:46:18,560 --> 02:46:25,920
to
negate the fine however charged the

2004
02:46:22,640 --> 02:46:29,600
administrative fee of 297.89
we have a second

2005
02:46:27,439 --> 02:46:34,560
calculation
so we have a motion

2006
02:46:31,359 --> 02:46:38,880
and we have a second um
any further discussion

2007
02:46:36,720 --> 02:46:38,880
i

2008
02:46:50,640 --> 02:46:53,640
ruling

2009
02:46:54,290 --> 02:46:57,439
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2010
02:47:02,319 --> 02:47:08,319
it got me
confused by the uh

2011
02:47:06,479 --> 02:47:11,840
you got to look at the people i reckon
they confused

2012
02:47:09,060 --> 02:47:14,479
[Music]
some of the decisions that we make about

2013
02:47:13,680 --> 02:47:20,160
these
properties

2014
02:47:16,479 --> 02:47:20,160
yes we need to come up call

2015
02:47:28,080 --> 02:47:34,960
a piece of property
that probably detects

2016
02:47:31,760 --> 02:47:38,800
the person uh the texan
facility in palakkad having

2017
02:47:37,920 --> 02:47:42,960
uh
property value

2018
02:47:41,040 --> 02:47:45,920
i'm just gonna use
a price now

2019
02:47:46,840 --> 02:47:50,880
uh thousand dollars

2020
02:47:51,760 --> 02:47:58,479
i'm just using that figure
and then we

2021
02:47:55,279 --> 02:48:06,160
go to taxing on taxing on and taxes on
to get a 190 some thousand dollars

2022
02:48:02,800 --> 02:48:06,160
and probably wasn't

2023
02:48:06,240 --> 02:48:13,600
a prime point what i'm trying to point
out around there on florida street

2024
02:48:11,520 --> 02:48:15,840
right by the big county tree in the yard
there

2025
02:48:19,030 --> 02:48:22,120
[Music]

2026
02:48:23,840 --> 02:48:26,160
about

2027
02:48:27,120 --> 02:48:34,240
i think 1500
what you're saying is the fine is way

2028
02:48:32,240 --> 02:48:38,080
over what the value of the property the
value of the profit yeah

2029
02:48:36,560 --> 02:48:44,920
we need to we need to
we need to do we need to work we need to

2030
02:48:40,000 --> 02:48:44,920
work on that yeah we really need to work

2031
02:48:50,399 --> 02:48:59,160
so right now we have a motion
and we have a second

2032
02:48:54,720 --> 02:48:59,160
um all in favor say aye

2033
02:49:18,479 --> 02:49:21,479
is

2034
02:49:26,319 --> 02:49:32,560
thank you and i i do i do want to share
this with you

2035
02:49:30,800 --> 02:49:37,279
that the board
made this determination some time ago

2036
02:49:34,960 --> 02:49:41,120
and i'm disappointed in our code
enforcement board because we have given

2037
02:49:40,080 --> 02:49:45,359
them those
somewhat of some directives that

2038
02:49:43,520 --> 02:49:49,600
administrative costs
are necessary

2039
02:49:47,279 --> 02:49:53,120
and if they are going to reduce those
fines that they do at least leave the

2040
02:49:51,439 --> 02:49:58,000
administrative costs in there because it
does cost the city so it's nothing

2041
02:49:55,359 --> 02:50:02,160
against please no it's nothing against
property owners it's just that that's

2042
02:50:00,080 --> 02:50:06,479
what kind of the direction that the
commission has

2043
02:50:03,600 --> 02:50:10,240
gone has been going actually so i just
wanted to bring that to you

2044
02:50:09,279 --> 02:50:14,880
thank you
do we need a motion to set them every

2045
02:50:12,640 --> 02:50:18,240
day um
you can

2046
02:50:16,319 --> 02:50:21,600
we can we can get a motion set for 30
days i'm sure miss glover's going to

2047
02:50:20,080 --> 02:50:26,720
take care of it
um go ahead if you want to make a motion

2048
02:50:24,240 --> 02:50:31,200
and sex orientation so my second
question is should be

2049
02:50:29,680 --> 02:50:37,279
i guess that the
fine reduction and the requirement to

2050
02:50:33,279 --> 02:50:42,080
pay the administrative costs of 297.89
um that those be paid within 30 days

2051
02:50:43,120 --> 02:50:51,399
we have a motion do we have a second
a second okay motion in a second all in

2052
02:50:47,840 --> 02:50:51,399
favor say aye

2053
02:50:53,279 --> 02:50:58,720
okay
let's go to our next one

2054
02:50:56,880 --> 02:51:02,200
we have another code enforcement lien
reduction request

2055
02:51:06,479 --> 02:51:09,200
next case

2056
02:51:10,520 --> 02:51:14,160
is case number

2057
02:51:17,120 --> 02:51:24,800
zero 12-03-317-0208
eight oh nine random street

2058
02:51:21,439 --> 02:51:30,240
revelations for chapter six
section six point one chapter ten

2059
02:51:27,760 --> 02:51:33,640
dash twenty twenty three twenty four and
twenty seven

2060
02:51:42,820 --> 02:51:45,940
[Music]

2061
02:51:46,080 --> 02:51:51,920
this is
going to the property owner on march 7th

2062
02:51:49,840 --> 02:51:59,680
2012 and
june 8 2012.

2063
02:51:55,680 --> 02:52:04,000
code board hearings were june 26th
and march 24th 2022

2064
02:52:04,640 --> 02:52:11,359
flying accrued for
3

2065
02:52:07,479 --> 02:52:17,680
674 days at 25 per day
march 27

2066
02:52:13,520 --> 02:52:23,760
2012 and april 18th 2022
total fine is 91 850.

2067
02:52:21,439 --> 02:52:29,600
affidavit compliance was 12 on april
19th 2022. i received a request to find

2068
02:52:27,840 --> 02:52:35,080
the introduction
on february 23rd

2069
02:52:32,080 --> 02:52:35,080
2012.

2070
02:52:35,439 --> 02:52:44,560
two pictures i recently took with the
property on

2071
02:52:40,240 --> 02:52:48,160
april 18th 2022 before mr tangerine off
this property

2072
02:52:46,319 --> 02:52:50,640
uh you couldn't even see the house that
was there

2073
02:52:55,279 --> 02:53:01,359
but he ended um fixing up
his request for introduction and

2074
02:52:59,840 --> 02:53:06,399
vineyard packing
he wants to make this his home

2075
02:53:03,520 --> 02:53:06,399
for his family

2076
02:53:06,960 --> 02:53:11,840
staff recommendation was to reduce the
5000

2077
02:53:12,960 --> 02:53:19,040
mr henry requested that the lead of
ninety one thousand eight hundred fifty

2078
02:53:17,359 --> 02:53:23,760
dollars to be reduced to a thousand
dollars

2079
02:53:20,240 --> 02:53:28,560
on may 24th 2022
enforcement board recommends recommended

2080
02:53:26,479 --> 02:53:31,920
that finally be reduced to a thousand
dollars

2081
02:53:30,399 --> 02:53:37,120
excuse me that does not include the
administrative cost of the

2082
02:53:34,319 --> 02:53:41,120
administrative costs
okay why did

2083
02:53:38,720 --> 02:53:44,160
why did they not take in to consider the
administrative costs

2084
02:53:45,600 --> 02:53:48,720
i don't know um

2085
02:53:48,880 --> 02:53:53,040
here
you come up thank

2086
02:53:57,760 --> 02:54:02,600
you learned a lot but
i hope

2087
02:54:12,240 --> 02:54:17,359
do you have any questions for mr henry
commission

2088
02:54:15,279 --> 02:54:20,479
um i do
um

2089
02:54:18,399 --> 02:54:25,200
hi mr henry thank you so much for being
here coming to crescent city um there's

2090
02:54:23,200 --> 02:54:29,840
a lot of paper in this packet
just did you acquire did you acquire

2091
02:54:27,680 --> 02:54:32,780
this property by purchase or by pickling
deep

2092
02:54:30,880 --> 02:54:35,870
questions
[Music]

2093
02:54:47,439 --> 02:54:52,960
close to 18 000
um

2094
02:54:50,560 --> 02:54:58,319
with my own time to
cut my trees down that property was

2095
02:54:55,520 --> 02:55:02,880
delinquent it sat there for over 20
years without anybody ever cut the grass

2096
02:55:00,960 --> 02:55:07,359
or trees or anything
i think we took probably over 100 trees

2097
02:55:05,279 --> 02:55:12,160
off the property
i mean you know a little treat it was

2098
02:55:09,279 --> 02:55:16,960
just it was just completely it was a
thousand trash that were head high

2099
02:55:14,640 --> 02:55:21,359
but i think i'm familiar with that
because my question was did you have a

2100
02:55:19,279 --> 02:55:26,720
relationship
did you have some kind of relationship

2101
02:55:23,279 --> 02:55:30,479
with the company within armed landslings
oh no ma'am

2102
02:55:28,560 --> 02:55:35,760
the name of the company
the name of the company is um

2103
02:55:37,680 --> 02:55:45,720
i could look on the appraisal site i
don't think

2104
02:55:40,960 --> 02:55:45,720
so it's uh euro atlantic

2105
02:55:54,399 --> 02:56:00,240
did they make you aware when you did
this as a quick claim you probably

2106
02:55:58,640 --> 02:56:04,800
didn't did you go through them
before i ever bought the property i

2107
02:56:02,720 --> 02:56:09,359
actually approached in the pam and i
said man i want to try to make this for

2108
02:56:07,439 --> 02:56:14,080
me and my family
do you think if i could just work real

2109
02:56:11,600 --> 02:56:17,520
hard and get it clean and keep working
on it

2110
02:56:15,120 --> 02:56:22,800
if i could if she said i did it she
thought if i would put a lot of time in

2111
02:56:19,520 --> 02:56:26,000
it and get it in compliance and i'd come
here and

2112
02:56:23,760 --> 02:56:31,040
have a reasonable
reduction i put a thousand dollars

2113
02:56:28,720 --> 02:56:36,399
because i never took the kid took the
city of crescent city you know time to

2114
02:56:33,840 --> 02:56:40,560
put the lanes i just thought if i i
would be willing to pay a thousand

2115
02:56:37,840 --> 02:56:45,600
dollars like that you know i've got a
budget and i've gotten applications here

2116
02:56:43,120 --> 02:56:50,800
for uh building permits to go ahead and
start working on the property

2117
02:56:47,920 --> 02:56:55,680
and i have a budget for me and my family
to uh to improve it and fix it and get

2118
02:56:53,120 --> 02:56:58,399
it back all the way livable
you're going to restore the you're going

2119
02:56:57,120 --> 02:57:01,040
to restore the
house

2120
02:57:00,000 --> 02:57:05,279
okay
and i i have to build one that's here

2121
02:57:03,680 --> 02:57:10,160
i just uh
i don't know if y'all know what i wrote

2122
02:57:06,960 --> 02:57:15,120
on there we do we have it your decision
would make it whether i can do that or

2123
02:57:12,560 --> 02:57:20,880
not okay no commissioner banks had a
comment yeah

2124
02:57:17,200 --> 02:57:25,279
i would like to give him a call because
anybody passed by that house the house

2125
02:57:23,040 --> 02:57:28,080
just got available when he
bought the property

2126
02:57:32,000 --> 02:57:39,200
someone come and drives up in the house
next door out of the very skin somebody

2127
02:57:37,120 --> 02:57:43,120
went in and gutted it out
took all the wiring out of it

2128
02:57:42,160 --> 02:57:47,200
and
if you go by there now

2129
02:57:44,880 --> 02:57:51,040
it is amazing and i see some action
there today i don't know whether you out

2130
02:58:00,240 --> 02:58:06,800
they actually offered to come here and
speak on my behalf tonight but i know i

2131
02:58:05,359 --> 02:58:10,319
didn't really feel like you know i
appreciated it

2132
02:58:08,240 --> 02:58:16,560
i wanted you know i just i just want to
turn it into a nice place to be

2133
02:58:13,040 --> 02:58:21,760
so you intend to live there i do
can i go ahead and just say this

2134
02:58:19,439 --> 02:58:24,960
i loved your letter
it was heartfelt

2135
02:58:23,439 --> 02:58:29,840
and uh
you i went out and looked at the house

2136
02:58:27,359 --> 02:58:33,120
you've done a tremendous amount of work
on that

2137
02:58:31,120 --> 02:58:37,040
and it could be a
nice house for a family you have one

2138
02:58:35,600 --> 02:58:40,880
child
three-year-old yes

2139
02:58:38,720 --> 02:58:46,160
that could be a nice house what i would
like and i'm asking

2140
02:58:42,800 --> 02:58:52,560
let's stop fighting the thousand dollars
let's do the 263 23

2141
02:58:50,560 --> 02:58:57,200
yes i'm just throwing it out before i
make a motion

2142
02:58:53,920 --> 02:59:01,279
because you have a lot of money to go
into that house yet

2143
02:58:58,880 --> 02:59:05,120
and a thousand dollars could probably go
quite a ways to painting

2144
02:59:03,200 --> 02:59:08,560
and whatever but i'm sure you have
plumbing

2145
02:59:06,319 --> 02:59:12,960
wiring
windows everything

2146
02:59:10,640 --> 02:59:18,640
and i would love to have a family in
that house again but wetland was a good

2147
02:59:15,520 --> 02:59:23,520
friend of my mother she was a sweetheart
and i'd like to see the house back again

2148
02:59:20,800 --> 02:59:27,439
not that that's important but okay
here goes the motion

2149
02:59:25,279 --> 02:59:36,160
i move that we will need a thousand
dollar fine and keep the administrative

2150
02:59:30,880 --> 02:59:38,479
fee of 263 23 and that to be paid and is
a month

2151
02:59:38,720 --> 02:59:46,720
okay give you a month 30 days today
okay we have a motion to have a second

2152
02:59:45,680 --> 02:59:51,920
second
okay i have a motion and a second on we

2153
02:59:49,760 --> 02:59:57,520
having a discussion
all in favor say aye aye

2154
02:59:54,800 --> 02:59:57,520
opposed

2155
03:00:06,000 --> 03:00:11,439
welcome to
crescent city

2156
03:00:08,399 --> 03:00:15,760
um and and with any of our
fines we

2157
03:00:13,439 --> 03:00:19,680
just need to be cognizant and that
they're there to get those properties

2158
03:00:17,520 --> 03:00:24,000
brought back into compliance
um but it does have cost involved from

2159
03:00:21,920 --> 03:00:28,160
the staff standpoint so that's why these
administrative costs are so

2160
03:00:25,920 --> 03:00:33,359
you know we just can't
i'm asking you pam to

2161
03:00:30,560 --> 03:00:39,160
reiterate that to your board please
okay i want to say that it admitted me

2162
03:00:36,000 --> 03:00:39,160
my name

2163
03:00:39,860 --> 03:00:44,540
[Laughter]

2164
03:00:46,590 --> 03:00:49,719
[Music]

2165
03:00:51,200 --> 03:00:56,240
we've been working on that property i
mean

2166
03:00:54,240 --> 03:01:00,000
to take the
i have a dump trailer

2167
03:00:58,000 --> 03:01:05,600
and i have a decent truck by the time i
drive here from saint augustine i loaded

2168
03:01:02,479 --> 03:01:08,760
up the dumps almost
i impossibly trips back forward i've

2169
03:01:07,200 --> 03:01:13,040
been spending
120 hours a day in fuel plus i've been

2170
03:01:11,760 --> 03:01:17,600
paying my health
so i've been working on my next thing

2171
03:01:15,359 --> 03:01:20,479
right here i got the application
building permits

2172
03:01:26,479 --> 03:01:30,840
and welcome welcome to crescent city

2173
03:01:35,279 --> 03:01:40,880
okay
all right

2174
03:01:38,160 --> 03:01:44,640
next item there is a first one appearing
can you build a block grant application

2175
03:01:42,880 --> 03:01:50,000
that's the box is here from correct
stations to lead us through that process

2176
03:01:47,120 --> 03:01:53,520
again i apologize
good evening my name is melissa fox i'm

2177
03:01:51,680 --> 03:01:57,840
with fred fox enterprises we're a grant
consulting firm and i'm here tonight to

2178
03:01:55,760 --> 03:02:02,399
advise the commission as well as the
public of the city's opportunity to

2179
03:01:59,520 --> 03:02:07,040
apply for a community blog
the city is eligible to apply for up to

2180
03:02:04,399 --> 03:02:11,439
650 000
there are three categories in which you

2181
03:02:09,439 --> 03:02:17,840
can apply for funding
the applications are due july 21st

2182
03:02:14,160 --> 03:02:21,600
and you do need to select a um category
you can always select uh you can only

2183
03:02:19,439 --> 03:02:25,680
submit one application at a time the
first is the housing rehabilitation and

2184
03:02:24,160 --> 03:02:30,560
that's where the city would go in and
they would either do uh rehab work or

2185
03:02:28,240 --> 03:02:34,640
demolish the place over occupied low to
moderate income homes

2186
03:02:32,880 --> 03:02:38,479
you have to be under occupied has to be
low moderate income and you have to

2187
03:02:36,560 --> 03:02:43,040
address all code violations so you
couldn't just like with the ship program

2188
03:02:40,399 --> 03:02:50,080
you can go in and you can put a new roof
on but with um cdbg hud requires that

2189
03:02:46,399 --> 03:02:50,080
every code violation be brought up

2190
03:02:50,640 --> 03:02:58,160
with 650 000 believe it or not i would
only get to do about four or five homes

2191
03:02:55,040 --> 03:03:02,080
with that it doesn't go very far the
second is a commercial revitalization

2192
03:03:00,080 --> 03:03:06,560
that's where you during streetscaping
sidewalks pedestrian malls building to

2193
03:03:04,160 --> 03:03:10,160
side work etcetera all in the downtown
commercial area the purpose is to

2194
03:03:08,080 --> 03:03:14,319
revitalize commercial
downtown and to get more people to come

2195
03:03:12,640 --> 03:03:18,000
down now um the city would be the
service area and the city would need to

2196
03:03:16,080 --> 03:03:21,279
be at least 51
low to moderate income

2197
03:03:20,000 --> 03:03:24,800
the third is a neighborhood
revitalization and that's where the city

2198
03:03:23,040 --> 03:03:28,880
would address infrastructure items and
residential areas you could do water

2199
03:03:26,880 --> 03:03:34,000
line replacement sewer line replacement
lift stations sewer lift stations you

2200
03:03:31,200 --> 03:03:36,960
can do parks paving drainage community
centers

2201
03:03:35,200 --> 03:03:42,240
and there again your beneficiaries must
be a minimum of 51 percent low tomorrow

2202
03:03:39,920 --> 03:03:46,160
application threshold so for instance if
you're doing road painting and you're

2203
03:03:44,000 --> 03:03:50,640
doing two blocks those two blocks at
least 51 of the resonance on those two

2204
03:03:48,720 --> 03:03:54,080
blocks would need to be low to water
income

2205
03:03:52,319 --> 03:03:56,720
the fourth category is kind of like a
standalone

2206
03:03:55,200 --> 03:04:01,200
um
once the cycle opens

2207
03:03:59,359 --> 03:04:05,279
you can submit for funding for an
economic development and you submit

2208
03:04:03,200 --> 03:04:09,200
until there's no funding left for that
year in the next fiscal year they'll

2209
03:04:07,200 --> 03:04:14,240
obligate more funds towards that
category um so that one you can submit

2210
03:04:11,600 --> 03:04:19,439
at any time as long as they're spending
the first three are due

2211
03:04:16,240 --> 03:04:22,960
july 21st and you can actually have an
open housing rehab commercial

2212
03:04:21,359 --> 03:04:27,279
revitalization or neighborhood
revitalization and applied for economic

2213
03:04:25,439 --> 03:04:30,960
development finance the only one that
you can actually apply for if you

2214
03:04:29,200 --> 03:04:34,640
haven't heard of the money and that's
where you would provide infrastructure

2215
03:04:32,560 --> 03:04:38,960
on city easement property to facilitate
a new business coming into the city or

2216
03:04:36,560 --> 03:04:42,560
the expansion of an existing business
business must create new long-term jobs

2217
03:04:41,040 --> 03:04:46,640
and be included as a developer if you
have a fish and for this category alone

2218
03:04:45,120 --> 03:04:50,720
you're actually eligible to apply for up
to 1.5 million

2219
03:04:49,279 --> 03:04:54,720
and then so for
every thirty four thousand nine hundred

2220
03:04:52,720 --> 03:04:59,439
ninety nine dollars in another innocence
that's being requested one full-time job

2221
03:04:57,120 --> 03:05:04,560
must be created
when we refer to uh lmi low moderate

2222
03:05:02,399 --> 03:05:08,640
income those are the hud
limits that are set they are updated

2223
03:05:06,319 --> 03:05:13,439
every year so for putnam county just to
give you an example on the bottom for

2224
03:05:11,359 --> 03:05:18,880
our family of four the maximum you could
make is forty eight thousand five fifty

2225
03:05:15,600 --> 03:05:18,880
that low eighty percent

2226
03:05:21,359 --> 03:05:25,920
there are additional points in their
application you're competing with other

2227
03:05:24,319 --> 03:05:29,279
small cities and counties throughout the
state

2228
03:05:26,800 --> 03:05:33,520
um if the city can leverage points
towards the project then you get an

2229
03:05:31,359 --> 03:05:38,560
extra point for every thousand dollars a
maximum of 25 points for 25 points for

2230
03:05:36,720 --> 03:05:42,560
25 000
the local community can exceed the 25

2231
03:05:40,720 --> 03:05:47,359
000 you just don't get any extra points
you can also go less than that you can

2232
03:05:44,399 --> 03:05:51,200
commit 10 000 to get 10 points
for neighborhood revitalization and

2233
03:05:48,880 --> 03:05:55,920
commercial revitalization projects
the city submits with their application

2234
03:05:53,920 --> 03:06:00,240
engineers stamp construction plans and
specs and you've shown documentation

2235
03:05:58,399 --> 03:06:03,439
that you apply for all your permits you
get an extra 50 points in your

2236
03:06:01,920 --> 03:06:07,040
application
you can't be reimbursed for shuttle

2237
03:06:05,120 --> 03:06:10,640
ready design calls so anything that you
contract with the engineer for the

2238
03:06:08,560 --> 03:06:15,200
design of that the city would have to
pay full city funds

2239
03:06:12,399 --> 03:06:18,560
even if the application is funded
the steps that are required in the

2240
03:06:16,640 --> 03:06:22,560
application process is to appoint a
citizens advisor task force that has

2241
03:06:20,560 --> 03:06:27,040
been completed the second is to
advertise and hold a catf meeting to

2242
03:06:24,800 --> 03:06:34,319
discuss possible projects the
atm did meet this meeting at 5 00 pm

2243
03:06:30,479 --> 03:06:38,000
and they did recommend that the um
city pursue a neighborhood

2244
03:06:36,399 --> 03:06:41,399
revitalization
for um

2245
03:06:42,000 --> 03:06:47,359
um the third is to advertise and hold a
first public hearing to obtain public

2246
03:06:46,000 --> 03:06:50,319
comments and direction by city
commission to move forward on

2247
03:06:48,640 --> 03:06:53,760
determining a project
that's what we're here for tonight the

2248
03:06:51,760 --> 03:06:57,439
fourth is to advertise and hold a
fair housing workshop that gets you

2249
03:06:55,600 --> 03:07:00,080
extra points in your application i'll be
doing that that's the next fighter

2250
03:06:59,120 --> 03:07:03,840
agenda
and the fifth is to advertise and hold a

2251
03:07:02,000 --> 03:07:07,279
second public hearing to finalize the
application at that point a rough draft

2252
03:07:06,160 --> 03:07:11,200
will be
presented to the mission as well as the

2253
03:07:09,279 --> 03:07:15,200
public we would obtain any public
comment on that we would amend the

2254
03:07:12,720 --> 03:07:20,800
application as you know as needed and
then we would submit the application on

2255
03:07:17,439 --> 03:07:23,800
the city's behalf by july 21st
um

2256
03:07:28,160 --> 03:07:32,560
when i opened it up for public comment
do we have any public comments at this

2257
03:07:31,600 --> 03:07:36,319
time
okay

2258
03:07:33,840 --> 03:07:39,720
okay sure
you know the drill

2259
03:07:42,620 --> 03:07:45,999
[Music]

2260
03:07:48,479 --> 03:07:56,000
yeah this project is installation of a
water main on main street from uh

2261
03:07:54,000 --> 03:08:00,720
central
north to 308

2262
03:07:58,000 --> 03:08:03,359
as well as a generator the lift station
bay lane

2263
03:08:03,439 --> 03:08:09,040
or i think it's an emergency backup
generator which that station currently

2264
03:08:06,960 --> 03:08:14,960
does not have so this project would
combine those two

2265
03:08:10,960 --> 03:08:14,960
projects into one brand application

2266
03:08:15,040 --> 03:08:18,760
yeah so it'd be mainstream

2267
03:08:22,920 --> 03:08:26,020
[Music]

2268
03:08:29,200 --> 03:08:34,399
yes ma'am
this game is 19 cedar street uh i went

2269
03:08:33,760 --> 03:08:38,800
by
palermos today

2270
03:08:36,800 --> 03:08:43,200
the mexican restaurant
and i asked them

2271
03:08:40,479 --> 03:08:46,880
how come i don't see more representation
of the mexican population and the

2272
03:08:45,439 --> 03:08:51,359
meetings
and they said they were here a few times

2273
03:08:49,040 --> 03:08:55,279
and they got they gave up
because what they want is a part for the

2274
03:08:54,240 --> 03:09:00,319
children
i went to domino's pizza

2275
03:08:58,000 --> 03:09:05,840
and there were six
teenagers there and all of them were

2276
03:09:03,120 --> 03:09:11,439
bilingual we have a lot of
mexican residents here and they want to

2277
03:09:08,160 --> 03:09:16,560
be heard he said he has to go to palutka
to have a good part just in case we want

2278
03:09:14,240 --> 03:09:21,359
to have that in consideration these
people are asking for a park

2279
03:09:18,880 --> 03:09:26,720
not a little park next to the dog park
what an actual park okay thank you thank

2280
03:09:24,000 --> 03:09:26,720
you very much

2281
03:09:26,880 --> 03:09:32,800
and we do have mr you know you realize
we do for the children we have harry

2282
03:09:31,200 --> 03:09:36,560
banks part i don't know if you've ever
been to harry banks park but we do have

2283
03:09:34,399 --> 03:09:40,720
hairy things i just told them to come to
the immediacy

2284
03:09:37,840 --> 03:09:44,720
okay thank you thank you
okay do we have any other public comment

2285
03:09:42,800 --> 03:09:48,319
at this time
and then i'm going to close public

2286
03:09:56,840 --> 03:10:03,600
comments so at this time all i need is
just a motion and you know to move

2287
03:10:02,239 --> 03:10:08,160
forward
with either staff recommended project or

2288
03:10:05,680 --> 03:10:13,120
another project okay
commissioners

2289
03:10:10,560 --> 03:10:13,120
we have

2290
03:10:24,640 --> 03:10:31,600
main street quartering and
workstation project

2291
03:10:29,760 --> 03:10:36,160
we have a motion do we have a second
before we open up the discussion

2292
03:10:34,000 --> 03:10:41,040
okay we have a motion in a second do we
have any further discussion

2293
03:10:39,200 --> 03:10:44,319
good night ladies
thank you

2294
03:10:42,640 --> 03:10:46,640
there is nothing more important than
working

2295
03:10:48,160 --> 03:10:50,800
absolutely

2296
03:10:52,880 --> 03:10:58,880
okay so seeing no other
a little commissioner banks have stepped

2297
03:10:57,120 --> 03:11:02,160
away did you want to show us something
charles or so this is for the next for

2298
03:11:00,560 --> 03:11:08,730
the next one okay
um commissioner banks has stepped away

2299
03:11:04,479 --> 03:11:11,870
for just a moment so before we go
[Music]

2300
03:11:29,120 --> 03:11:37,040
and all those bodies out there left so
they're not taking that warmness i know

2301
03:11:34,640 --> 03:11:37,040
actually

2302
03:11:41,180 --> 03:11:44,219
[Music]

2303
03:11:48,640 --> 03:11:54,399
we'll have a better idea when we come
back to the second public hearing as far

2304
03:11:52,000 --> 03:11:57,520
as what we project your score to be okay
um

2305
03:11:55,200 --> 03:12:02,319
the good thing about this cycle is the
state's actually a fiscal year behind

2306
03:12:00,399 --> 03:12:08,080
in awarding funds so what they're
looking to do is they're looking to

2307
03:12:03,920 --> 03:12:11,279
combine both 21 and 22 funding from hud
the allotment they get in so they're

2308
03:12:09,520 --> 03:12:15,359
getting they're going to have over 50
million dollars they typically have

2309
03:12:13,120 --> 03:12:19,439
about 26 27 they're going to have well
over that so they're

2310
03:12:17,680 --> 03:12:23,680
the state's thinking is we're going to
be able to fund pretty far down the list

2311
03:12:22,080 --> 03:12:26,720
this time so
you know

2312
03:12:24,560 --> 03:12:32,200
um but we will have a better idea of
what we think your projected score is

2313
03:12:28,399 --> 03:12:32,200
going to be um

2314
03:12:35,080 --> 03:12:38,170
[Music]

2315
03:12:38,960 --> 03:12:45,680
if you look at our comprehensive plan
we have and

2316
03:12:43,520 --> 03:12:48,800
um city manager kennedy pointed this out
years ago

2317
03:12:46,640 --> 03:12:54,160
we have about four to five times as many
parts as the state standard is apart

2318
03:12:52,160 --> 03:12:56,960
including playground
here's another thing

2319
03:12:55,840 --> 03:13:01,840
um
we have a lot of mexican children

2320
03:12:59,840 --> 03:13:04,560
young people that are meeting on the
tennis courts

2321
03:13:05,439 --> 03:13:12,399
when you when you say that they have
their part we actually are very well

2322
03:13:10,720 --> 03:13:16,160
supplied yeah
okay division commissioner banks is back

2323
03:13:14,080 --> 03:13:19,920
so i'm ready to take this to a vote if
there's no more discussion

2324
03:13:17,840 --> 03:13:25,600
we have a motion and we have a second
all in favor say aye aye

2325
03:13:22,160 --> 03:13:29,920
opposed nay okay
all right the next item on the agenda is

2326
03:13:27,600 --> 03:13:33,279
just the fair housing workshop no action
will need to be taken i just need to go

2327
03:13:31,680 --> 03:13:36,560
over this i'll be happy to answer any
questions okay

2328
03:13:34,720 --> 03:13:42,000
federal current housing act prohibits
discrimination in housing related

2329
03:13:38,080 --> 03:13:46,000
transactions including the sale rentals
discrimination includes refusing to rent

2330
03:13:43,920 --> 03:13:49,840
to someone steering someone away to a
particular type of housing or

2331
03:13:47,359 --> 03:13:54,560
neighborhood enacting zoning measures to
exclude particular groups etc because of

2332
03:13:52,080 --> 03:14:00,319
membership in a protected class the
federally protected classes are race

2333
03:13:57,120 --> 03:14:05,920
color religion national origin sex
familiar status and disability a city or

2334
03:14:03,520 --> 03:14:09,680
a state or you know they can have other
protected classes these are just the

2335
03:14:07,359 --> 03:14:13,600
federally protected classes
what is prohibited no one may take any

2336
03:14:11,680 --> 03:14:18,720
of the following actions based on race
color religion sex disability familiar

2337
03:14:16,080 --> 03:14:23,600
status or national origin refuse to rent
or sell housing refuse to negotiate for

2338
03:14:21,279 --> 03:14:26,640
housing set different terms conditions
or privileges for sale or rental of a

2339
03:14:25,680 --> 03:14:31,120
dwelling
falsely deny that housing is available

2340
03:14:28,479 --> 03:14:35,520
for inspection sale or rental
for-profit persuade or try to persuade

2341
03:14:33,120 --> 03:14:40,000
homeowners to sell or rent dwellings by
suggesting that people of a particular

2342
03:14:37,279 --> 03:14:44,960
race age sex etc have moved before about
to move into the year

2343
03:14:42,720 --> 03:14:49,520
or deny any person access to membership
or participation in any organization

2344
03:14:47,359 --> 03:14:54,239
facility or service related to the sale
or rental of dwellings

2345
03:14:52,960 --> 03:14:57,279
additionally it is unlawful to
discriminate against the person whose

2346
03:14:55,680 --> 03:15:01,200
household includes one or more children
who are under 18 years of age this is

2347
03:14:59,279 --> 03:15:04,160
known as family says
in which

2348
03:15:02,160 --> 03:15:08,319
one or more minor children live with a
parent or legal custodian

2349
03:15:06,880 --> 03:15:12,160
there's additional protection if you
have a disability if you have a physical

2350
03:15:10,239 --> 03:15:16,960
or mental disability including hearing
mobility visual impairments cancer

2351
03:15:14,080 --> 03:15:20,640
chronic mental illness or hiv aids that
substantially limits one or more major

2352
03:15:18,720 --> 03:15:24,720
life activities or are regarded as
having such a disability a housing

2353
03:15:22,640 --> 03:15:29,040
provider may not refuse to let you make
reasonable modifications to your growing

2354
03:15:26,640 --> 03:15:33,840
neighbor expense a landlord may permit
changes only if you agree to restore the

2355
03:15:30,960 --> 03:15:37,200
property to its original conditioning
if you're handicapped and you're in a

2356
03:15:35,279 --> 03:15:41,439
wheelchair you should be allowed to put
in a heating cap ramp you might have to

2357
03:15:39,520 --> 03:15:45,600
remove that and restore that half to its
original condition when you move

2358
03:15:43,600 --> 03:15:49,520
but you should be allowed to make that
or if you're in the building with a no

2359
03:15:47,600 --> 03:15:54,640
pets policy they must allow visual
impaired tenants to die

2360
03:15:52,720 --> 03:15:58,720
what housing is exempt the federal fair
housing act exempts over-occupied

2361
03:15:56,399 --> 03:16:03,920
buildings with no more than four units
and single-family housing sold or rented

2362
03:16:01,439 --> 03:16:08,160
without the use of a broker
so that's if it's a private owner they

2363
03:16:06,000 --> 03:16:12,080
have one house they're renting it out
they are not they are exempt under the

2364
03:16:09,840 --> 03:16:16,399
federal fair housing act
senior housing exemption these are the

2365
03:16:14,080 --> 03:16:19,279
55 plus communities elderly communities
these exempt some senior housing

2366
03:16:17,920 --> 03:16:22,960
facilities and communities from
liability for community status

2367
03:16:20,960 --> 03:16:26,560
discrimination they have to be provided
under any state or federal program that

2368
03:16:24,720 --> 03:16:31,040
hud is determined to be specifically
designed and operated to assist elderly

2369
03:16:29,200 --> 03:16:35,600
persons and intended for and solely
occupied by persons 55 or 62 years of

2370
03:16:33,920 --> 03:16:38,720
age or older you can't just deem
yourself one you have to actually be

2371
03:16:37,120 --> 03:16:40,960
under a state or federal program that
has determined

2372
03:16:40,239 --> 03:16:43,680
that
has certified

2373
03:16:42,479 --> 03:16:46,800
if you think your rights have been
violated you can contact the following

2374
03:16:45,439 --> 03:16:49,760
the florida commission on human
relations

2375
03:16:47,920 --> 03:16:53,840
the u.s department of housing and urban
development in the southeast regional

2376
03:16:51,439 --> 03:16:58,880
office or the u.s department of housing
and urban development in washington dc

2377
03:16:57,520 --> 03:17:02,880
additionally the city of crescent city
does have a fair housing ordinance which

2378
03:17:00,880 --> 03:17:06,160
outlines steps and time limits in which
complaints must be submitted and

2379
03:17:04,319 --> 03:17:09,439
responses provided
what you will need to provide is your

2380
03:17:07,760 --> 03:17:13,439
name and address the name and address of
the person your complaint is against the

2381
03:17:11,680 --> 03:17:17,840
address or other identification of the
housing involved a short description of

2382
03:17:15,760 --> 03:17:21,760
the alleged violations and the dates of
the alleged violation

2383
03:17:20,239 --> 03:17:25,439
what happens when you file a complaint
the office receiving the complaint will

2384
03:17:23,439 --> 03:17:29,520
notify the person filing the complaint
and the alleged violator of the filing

2385
03:17:27,840 --> 03:17:33,359
and allow the respondent time to submit
a written answer

2386
03:17:31,359 --> 03:17:36,160
to the complaint investigate your
complaint and determine whether there is

2387
03:17:34,800 --> 03:17:41,120
a reasonable cause to believe that the
respondent violated the fair housing act

2388
03:17:39,040 --> 03:17:45,040
notify you and the respondent if hud
cannot complete its investigation within

2389
03:17:43,040 --> 03:17:48,880
100 days of filing your complaint and
provide reasons for the delay

2390
03:17:47,040 --> 03:17:52,560
now during the time during the complaint
investigation hud is required to offer

2391
03:17:50,800 --> 03:17:56,880
you and the respondent the opportunity
to voluntarily resolve your

2392
03:17:54,479 --> 03:17:59,760
reconciliation
are there any questions

2393
03:18:01,359 --> 03:18:05,840
commissioners do you have any questions
no

2394
03:18:04,880 --> 03:18:10,000
okay
great presentation

2395
03:18:07,680 --> 03:18:14,319
okay all right thank you very much thank
you thank you

2396
03:18:11,600 --> 03:18:14,319
very much

2397
03:18:18,800 --> 03:18:25,390
and i did read the entire house
yeah

2398
03:18:25,040 --> 03:18:29,760
um
[Music]

2399
03:18:27,760 --> 03:18:33,120
she's not the one that you spoke to
about

2400
03:18:31,600 --> 03:18:35,600
about our
excess

2401
03:18:48,840 --> 03:18:56,960
okay any questions for him before
no okay you're good you're good thank

2402
03:18:54,239 --> 03:19:01,040
you very much
okay

2403
03:18:58,560 --> 03:19:05,200
next item is consideration of a poll bar
for public works uh utilizing better

2404
03:19:03,359 --> 03:19:08,319
close bonds this is something i've heard
about since i started here

2405
03:19:09,200 --> 03:19:16,160
i do talk to keith about putting it in
next year's uh budget and he and he

2406
03:19:13,680 --> 03:19:20,239
informed me uh right and so that price
of steel just goes up or not enough so

2407
03:19:18,560 --> 03:19:24,880
what he proposed is that we can we can
actually buy the building

2408
03:19:23,279 --> 03:19:27,840
it's a kit
and it will take about five or six

2409
03:19:26,319 --> 03:19:32,560
months to be delivered
then we'll negotiate

2410
03:19:29,520 --> 03:19:37,279
uh to see what we need he thinks 10 to
15 000 dollars probably to get it built

2411
03:19:35,040 --> 03:19:40,239
the footer's put in and to construct the
building but if we don't buy it now it's

2412
03:19:39,120 --> 03:19:43,840
just going to keep getting more
expensive

2413
03:19:41,680 --> 03:19:48,800
my request is for the cost of the
building out of a better place okay

2414
03:19:47,200 --> 03:19:52,720
so the cost of the building would come
out of a better place and then the labor

2415
03:19:50,880 --> 03:19:55,359
construction would probably be in next
year's budget

2416
03:19:54,080 --> 03:19:58,359
we'll actually put that in a better
place

2417
03:20:04,390 --> 03:20:08,100
[Music]

2418
03:20:11,360 --> 03:20:17,920
[Music]
i believe so yeah um we're still

2419
03:20:14,800 --> 03:20:20,479
actually waiting for the generators
last fall

2420
03:20:22,000 --> 03:20:26,279
okay all in favor say aye

2421
03:20:30,319 --> 03:20:36,560
mayor the next item is discussion um
we've talked off and on throughout the

2422
03:20:34,880 --> 03:20:40,080
year about um
changes and there are changes that would

2423
03:20:38,399 --> 03:20:44,560
require a charter
a change to our charter required

2424
03:20:42,960 --> 03:20:48,880
to go to the voters
we need to get anything we want to do to

2425
03:20:46,560 --> 03:20:53,359
the uh supervisor of elections
by the beginning of august if we want to

2426
03:20:50,239 --> 03:20:53,359
make this um

2427
03:20:53,439 --> 03:21:00,080
election coming in november
so uh i listed on here in a couple of

2428
03:20:58,000 --> 03:21:03,920
some things that we've talked about
administrative supervisor is

2429
03:21:02,160 --> 03:21:08,000
now called city manager that's a that's
an easy one

2430
03:21:05,120 --> 03:21:13,120
um so actually currently i am required
to be the clerk for the city um

2431
03:21:10,800 --> 03:21:16,800
and hired karen hired her as clerk and
then we were informed reminded that

2432
03:21:15,200 --> 03:21:20,000
actually in the charter says the city
manager

2433
03:21:18,160 --> 03:21:23,040
the administrative supervisor shall be
the clerk of the city

2434
03:21:21,920 --> 03:21:26,720
so this would be an opportunity to
actually allow us to hire a clerk

2435
03:21:25,920 --> 03:21:31,439
um
also we talked about

2436
03:21:28,399 --> 03:21:34,880
currently required rehiring appointment
removal of

2437
03:21:33,200 --> 03:21:38,800
department heads that has to come with a
commission so

2438
03:21:36,560 --> 03:21:41,520
it's a hiring decision that so i can't
um

2439
03:21:39,680 --> 03:21:45,680
that was an issue with our finance
director um

2440
03:21:44,000 --> 03:21:50,000
to fire her i would have had to bring it
here at a public forum

2441
03:21:47,920 --> 03:21:53,680
and that would fortunately she resigned
so um

2442
03:21:51,359 --> 03:21:56,399
recommending removing that
and then um

2443
03:21:57,600 --> 03:22:04,319
that wasn't damaged
one of the clarification purposes

2444
03:22:04,479 --> 03:22:12,239
also the thing we discussed earlier
i take the opportunity to clarify that

2445
03:22:09,920 --> 03:22:15,920
you can submit your election materials
prior to that first monday it's just the

2446
03:22:14,239 --> 03:22:20,319
deadline will remain
the friday at noon

2447
03:22:17,920 --> 03:22:24,720
and then currently i'm required anything
over a thousand dollars

2448
03:22:22,399 --> 03:22:30,080
to get your approval and to bid it out
and these days

2449
03:22:27,359 --> 03:22:33,120
everything over a thousand dollars has
really been constrained

2450
03:22:33,600 --> 03:22:39,200
really slows us down you know gotta put
that on an agenda we missed the

2451
03:22:37,760 --> 03:22:42,880
advertise so it's gonna be a month and a
half

2452
03:22:40,560 --> 03:22:48,279
so um this will be an opportunity to
increase that and what i recommend is

2453
03:22:44,640 --> 03:22:48,279
five thousand dollars

2454
03:22:49,200 --> 03:22:55,200
and any other changes you might those
are all the ones we've talked about that

2455
03:22:53,120 --> 03:22:57,920
come up um we would need to do an
ordinance

2456
03:22:56,319 --> 03:23:02,239
first and second reading
before the beginning of august so it

2457
03:23:00,000 --> 03:23:05,680
might require special meeting to get it
accomplished

2458
03:23:04,000 --> 03:23:10,600
in time to turn into the supervisor of
elections to get it on

2459
03:23:07,600 --> 03:23:10,600
okay

2460
03:23:16,080 --> 03:23:23,439
yeah like my comment about
7.08

2461
03:23:20,479 --> 03:23:27,120
the bids contracts and expenditures
um i don't actually remember that many

2462
03:23:25,920 --> 03:23:32,800
items
coming before us

2463
03:23:30,720 --> 03:23:36,080
well if it's an item that um
regular operation you've already

2464
03:23:34,640 --> 03:23:40,560
approved in the budget it's regular
operations

2465
03:23:37,359 --> 03:23:44,399
or an emergency situation um i'm able to
afford those when the lift station

2466
03:23:42,319 --> 03:23:48,080
generators went down i spent a lot of
money on them because they just said it

2467
03:23:45,920 --> 03:23:52,239
was an emergency right so you can't do
that

2468
03:23:48,960 --> 03:23:55,840
yeah um my concern about this is
just

2469
03:23:54,239 --> 03:24:00,800
it's more for
it's more for exceptions and plan things

2470
03:23:59,200 --> 03:24:04,560
um
five thousand dollars is actually it's

2471
03:24:02,960 --> 03:24:08,960
still a lot of money
especially a small town

2472
03:24:06,960 --> 03:24:13,359
and um
we're doing so this would be submitted

2473
03:24:11,120 --> 03:24:17,840
in a single ordinance right
or we could break it up and the fear is

2474
03:24:16,319 --> 03:24:23,920
you know if a voter doesn't like one
thing they vote down all the changes

2475
03:24:20,800 --> 03:24:28,239
oh yeah why not consider multiple uh
boxes on the on

2476
03:24:26,000 --> 03:24:32,000
about this particular item
i think five thousand dollars

2477
03:24:30,640 --> 03:24:35,040
is high
um

2478
03:24:33,040 --> 03:24:40,399
i mean that can easily turn that can
easily turn into

2479
03:24:37,439 --> 03:24:43,920
you know 20 or 25 000
um i think it would be more reasonable

2480
03:24:42,479 --> 03:24:48,640
and probably would appear more
acceptable

2481
03:24:46,080 --> 03:24:52,160
to the public to you know double it from
1000 to 2000

2482
03:24:50,720 --> 03:24:56,479
but because we really haven't heard that
many cases well i don't know that 5 000

2483
03:24:54,720 --> 03:25:01,120
is going to turn into 20 000. if we only
give you 5 000 spending authority

2484
03:24:59,600 --> 03:25:04,319
well i'm saying if
in other words each

2485
03:25:02,960 --> 03:25:09,560
instance
he's just going to go in and buy three

2486
03:25:06,239 --> 03:25:09,560
and five

2487
03:25:21,040 --> 03:25:26,080
at 5 000 you'd like two thousand is that
what you're saying yes okay then that's

2488
03:25:25,040 --> 03:25:31,359
okay
another particular one

2489
03:25:28,399 --> 03:25:36,720
obviously it's not taking the money
that's not the issue

2490
03:25:34,000 --> 03:25:40,880
no but a lot of times things used i i
know i've said over there things you

2491
03:25:38,319 --> 03:25:46,960
know occur and he can't move on because
he does have to

2492
03:25:42,239 --> 03:25:51,279
because he does have to bring them to us
so what's the recommendation that we

2493
03:25:48,960 --> 03:25:56,080
would when would we do these meetings
when we have these meetings we would get

2494
03:25:53,120 --> 03:26:00,399
to bring back an ordinance or ordinances
for these changes um

2495
03:25:58,880 --> 03:26:03,439
for our first and then the second
reading

2496
03:26:01,520 --> 03:26:07,120
so that it was adopted
in time before the beginning of august

2497
03:26:05,680 --> 03:26:12,319
to
give them the supervision elections

2498
03:26:09,760 --> 03:26:17,680
bobby can we bring each one of these um
on the ballot can they each can they be

2499
03:26:14,720 --> 03:26:20,479
all separate do they have to be i think
they should be awesome i think they

2500
03:26:19,120 --> 03:26:24,160
should i was going to make that
recommendation too is that they they'd

2501
03:26:22,399 --> 03:26:30,080
be all separate so we'd have to have an
ordinance for each one or

2502
03:26:27,600 --> 03:26:30,080
i think so

2503
03:26:30,160 --> 03:26:35,520
and there also i have a question about
another provision

2504
03:26:34,080 --> 03:26:40,880
um
the

2505
03:26:37,520 --> 03:26:44,640
change the authorization to hire a court
i'm not that familiar with court

2506
03:26:42,720 --> 03:26:49,520
provisions
in city charters or whatever

2507
03:26:46,720 --> 03:26:53,200
but i know it's considered an office of
a kind

2508
03:26:50,880 --> 03:26:58,840
um i'm not sure the way
this is worded and

2509
03:26:55,120 --> 03:27:02,960
i would turn that over to bobby
this uh

2510
03:27:00,640 --> 03:27:05,359
to me the creation of the position of
clerk

2511
03:27:05,520 --> 03:27:12,000
i think
i'm guessing might need to occur

2512
03:27:10,319 --> 03:27:16,720
um
in an additional spot

2513
03:27:14,399 --> 03:27:20,160
other than just saying to hire a clerk i
don't know i would like to get an answer

2514
03:27:19,200 --> 03:27:25,120
to that
is that sufficient just to say

2515
03:27:22,800 --> 03:27:30,000
to hire a clerk um
should it should it be created

2516
03:27:27,520 --> 03:27:34,160
you know in a section in and of its own
self

2517
03:27:31,680 --> 03:27:40,319
and i don't think that's something that
could necessarily be answered now

2518
03:27:37,680 --> 03:27:43,040
it doesn't need to be
bring the solution

2519
03:27:44,399 --> 03:27:51,359
okay so commissioners um are we or are
we

2520
03:27:48,880 --> 03:27:54,720
ready to do this i just have a question
if you're going to hire a clerk what

2521
03:27:53,600 --> 03:28:00,000
kind of
salary are you thinking

2522
03:27:57,840 --> 03:28:04,560
well uh later in the agenda i'm
requesting to put on uh

2523
03:28:02,080 --> 03:28:08,000
an rfp for our compensation study so
they would

2524
03:28:05,680 --> 03:28:10,960
advise us on what is comparable for a
similar size and

2525
03:28:14,160 --> 03:28:20,880
it would be
basically it would be the position that

2526
03:28:18,560 --> 03:28:24,880
karen where karen says correct yes she
was hired as clear

2527
03:28:26,130 --> 03:28:32,479
[Music]
it's just our charters

2528
03:28:30,560 --> 03:28:38,720
to have a slurk in there to have the
administrative supervisor well we used

2529
03:28:34,720 --> 03:28:38,720
to have a court a million years ago

2530
03:28:43,320 --> 03:28:48,450
[Laughter]

2531
03:28:50,640 --> 03:28:56,720
i mean it may be proper to remove that
responsibility from 3.04 but that's not

2532
03:28:54,800 --> 03:28:58,880
where we would create
the

2533
03:28:57,520 --> 03:29:02,160
the position
so just we would strike it strike gene

2534
03:29:00,960 --> 03:29:05,120
get out of there but we're going to have
to put it maybe

2535
03:29:05,279 --> 03:29:09,040
do we need to establish it in the
charter

2536
03:29:07,600 --> 03:29:12,560
do we even need to have it because like
we don't establish

2537
03:29:10,800 --> 03:29:16,160
i mean that's something to think about
do we have to have it in our charter so

2538
03:29:14,479 --> 03:29:19,279
we have to have the actual clerk and our
charter

2539
03:29:17,520 --> 03:29:24,399
and that's something you know um keep in
mind too bobby that uh lacto right now

2540
03:29:21,840 --> 03:29:28,640
is going through a charter revision
very extensive charter division so and

2541
03:29:26,479 --> 03:29:32,479
they he has a clerk and i think he has
an assistant clerk

2542
03:29:30,319 --> 03:29:35,800
um they're establishing
i'm not sure

2543
03:29:40,600 --> 03:29:48,319
[Music]
yeah i'm just thinking that

2544
03:29:45,680 --> 03:29:52,239
it's a very responsible position it's
the custodian of the public records and

2545
03:29:51,200 --> 03:29:54,720
sealed
and i'm guessing

2546
03:29:53,680 --> 03:29:59,760
that
this person needs to be specifically

2547
03:29:56,960 --> 03:30:05,920
designated i'm just guessing well bobby
if you'll look into that for us

2548
03:30:03,040 --> 03:30:05,920
the only problem is

2549
03:30:06,000 --> 03:30:11,680
there's not enough time
if i come back with an answer at the

2550
03:30:10,000 --> 03:30:15,840
next meeting you need to come back with
ordinances at the next meeting yeah we

2551
03:30:14,399 --> 03:30:20,080
need to have ordinances at the next
meeting so your decision should be in an

2552
03:30:17,600 --> 03:30:20,080
ordinance

2553
03:30:26,239 --> 03:30:32,000
they don't have to be long ordinances
they'll

2554
03:30:29,600 --> 03:30:36,479
yeah very short
but i think that's i think bobby that

2555
03:30:34,160 --> 03:30:40,640
would to me would be because we're
dealing with a time with a time issue

2556
03:30:39,279 --> 03:30:44,479
um
that if we did that at the july meeting

2557
03:30:42,720 --> 03:30:47,600
and then we set the second
a special meeting in july and then we

2558
03:30:46,399 --> 03:30:51,600
could get on to
charles um

2559
03:30:49,040 --> 03:30:56,160
at that time
mr over to the proper language

2560
03:30:54,239 --> 03:30:58,880
what time or what time
what when

2561
03:31:09,840 --> 03:31:16,399
we're gonna have to be
at least 10 days

2562
03:31:14,319 --> 03:31:20,880
10 days
but you can also go ahead and you can

2563
03:31:18,880 --> 03:31:25,359
can you pre-advertise no you have to
have the fun

2564
03:31:22,880 --> 03:31:29,520
but if we do it on the 14th and you
advertise

2565
03:31:26,960 --> 03:31:34,720
we have to get it to charles at some
point from noon on that monday until

2566
03:31:32,640 --> 03:31:38,319
noon on that friday
that first week of august yes

2567
03:31:37,120 --> 03:31:42,319
so
just to give y'all a couple of extra

2568
03:31:40,000 --> 03:31:46,640
days if we need it so if we if i
advertise it on the 15th we'll send it

2569
03:31:44,800 --> 03:31:50,880
to the page you can have it yeah we can
send it to the paper on the 15th and

2570
03:31:48,399 --> 03:31:54,279
then 10 days later so you can have it on
july 25th

2571
03:32:03,600 --> 03:32:10,319
when's the 15th on friday so it would
run on it

2572
03:32:09,279 --> 03:32:14,720
okay
it would be best if you if you could get

2573
03:32:12,160 --> 03:32:19,040
it on saturday and then we would have to
meet on the 26th of july that's a

2574
03:32:17,279 --> 03:32:23,359
tuesday either that monday or tuesday
the 25th of the 26th probably the 26th

2575
03:32:21,520 --> 03:32:26,970
of july
because of the four mainstream

2576
03:32:24,479 --> 03:32:29,840
conferences okay
[Music]

2577
03:32:28,160 --> 03:32:32,000
so we could put that down against
commissioner

2578
03:32:31,200 --> 03:32:37,680
um
on the second page

2579
03:32:33,920 --> 03:32:43,439
do we really need the change in 6.05
about the qualifying period because

2580
03:32:40,239 --> 03:32:43,439
qualifying is usually

2581
03:32:43,760 --> 03:32:50,479
yes
that's what bobby has they've spoken to

2582
03:32:47,760 --> 03:32:55,200
as far as you can open it up
bobby do you want to and they also need

2583
03:32:52,960 --> 03:32:59,130
some clear we need clarification there
as well right hey i think we at least

2584
03:32:57,520 --> 03:33:02,319
put in there that it does not include
[Music]

2585
03:33:00,880 --> 03:33:04,800
that
you have to have a cutoff date that's

2586
03:33:04,000 --> 03:33:08,319
the one
charles did say that you have to have

2587
03:33:06,239 --> 03:33:11,359
that cutoff date which would be
that august

2588
03:33:10,000 --> 03:33:15,920
um
i mean not that friday at noon

2589
03:33:14,399 --> 03:33:18,960
so you wouldn't have that as a cutoff
day

2590
03:33:17,040 --> 03:33:22,080
like this this is qualifying for the
ballot and

2591
03:33:20,479 --> 03:33:26,080
my understanding is most local
governments have just a set

2592
03:33:24,960 --> 03:33:31,040
time
that you qualify for that

2593
03:33:28,399 --> 03:33:34,399
it's got a beginning
that was not my understanding but we

2594
03:33:33,200 --> 03:33:40,399
were
mr overture told us that we were the

2595
03:33:36,880 --> 03:33:45,640
only ones that had another beginning
black doesn't interfere with it

2596
03:34:07,180 --> 03:34:10,399
[Music]

2597
03:34:10,800 --> 03:34:14,760
i'm still recommending the 5000

2598
03:34:23,120 --> 03:34:26,120
okay

2599
03:34:29,279 --> 03:34:36,080
so let's can we get a motion please
somebody

2600
03:34:33,279 --> 03:34:36,080
please somebody

2601
03:34:36,479 --> 03:34:43,040
if none we'll hand it over to him
commissioner banks i'm gonna make a

2602
03:34:39,600 --> 03:34:47,640
motion get a motion
[Laughter]

2603
03:35:05,050 --> 03:35:08,090
[Music]

2604
03:35:18,360 --> 03:35:21,419
[Music]

2605
03:35:22,720 --> 03:35:25,720
oh

2606
03:35:29,279 --> 03:35:39,160
workshop as well as the budget workshops
and i've sent a poll a list of dates i'm

2607
03:35:35,120 --> 03:35:39,160
recommending 2 o'clock in the afternoon

2608
03:35:42,430 --> 03:35:45,499
[Music]

2609
03:35:50,720 --> 03:35:58,560
well um i did receive a schedule uh come
out from a couple of commissioners it

2610
03:35:55,520 --> 03:36:03,200
looks like the earliest will be july 5th
is everyone available july 5th no i said

2611
03:36:01,200 --> 03:36:13,390
they ended up july 4th
i sent you something that said i am

2612
03:36:06,290 --> 03:36:13,390
[Laughter]

2613
03:36:18,000 --> 03:36:25,600
july 6th is it wednesday yeah 2 o'clock
um

2614
03:36:23,359 --> 03:36:25,600
yes

2615
03:36:27,040 --> 03:36:31,200
what workshop is that it'll be the
general phone

2616
03:36:29,760 --> 03:36:34,200
okay
um

2617
03:36:35,270 --> 03:36:38,929
[Music]

2618
03:36:39,200 --> 03:36:44,640
um it occurred to me when i looked at
the layout

2619
03:36:42,560 --> 03:36:48,479
could we possibly
uh

2620
03:36:45,439 --> 03:36:54,479
do general fund and then do i think you
i'm trying to find my copy of your memo

2621
03:36:51,520 --> 03:36:59,840
could we do the cra and better place
plan with the utility departments

2622
03:36:58,239 --> 03:37:04,160
those adults
those are fairly short sections of the

2623
03:37:02,000 --> 03:37:09,040
budget well the enterprise funds
particularly gas and water we're going

2624
03:37:06,479 --> 03:37:14,399
to talk about rates yeah and whether we
need to increase our rates i think that

2625
03:37:10,640 --> 03:37:14,399
may go on for a while

2626
03:37:14,560 --> 03:37:19,520
but i mean there should that should be a
pretty cut right i mean they should have

2627
03:37:18,000 --> 03:37:22,239
a proposal
i mean

2628
03:37:20,319 --> 03:37:27,200
we did gas rates right
we raised the base rate okay um

2629
03:37:25,600 --> 03:37:31,080
gas prices have gone through the roof
we've already reached

2630
03:37:32,319 --> 03:37:37,200
what we raised was more the
administrative service fees for the

2631
03:37:35,680 --> 03:37:40,800
guests by then we'll have a projection
of how we made out this year i'm

2632
03:37:38,640 --> 03:37:45,040
optimistic
i'm comfortable with how many him having

2633
03:37:45,210 --> 03:37:48,320
[Music]

2634
03:37:54,399 --> 03:37:59,120
um
the seven will be two days in a row if

2635
03:37:57,040 --> 03:38:04,000
you're okay with that
yeah because we have three workshops

2636
03:38:00,880 --> 03:38:09,200
okay it was my understandings
you said that you wanted to get the

2637
03:38:05,600 --> 03:38:14,319
published version of the budget out by
wednesday the 8th

2638
03:38:11,040 --> 03:38:17,439
well that's just the the um
i think you're packing out a week ahead

2639
03:38:15,680 --> 03:38:22,560
of the 14 we have to set the tentative
millage rate on the 14th

2640
03:38:20,000 --> 03:38:25,439
okay so it will be helpful if we would
be helpful if we pack them in

2641
03:38:24,000 --> 03:38:30,399
[Music]
the 7th and 12th

2642
03:38:28,000 --> 03:38:33,040
okay we may make changes you know when
we talk about it on the commission

2643
03:38:32,000 --> 03:38:37,359
meeting but
we're just doing the best we can at two

2644
03:38:34,720 --> 03:38:41,600
o'clock on all of those days into the
seventh or two o'clock from enterprise

2645
03:38:39,120 --> 03:38:46,239
funds and the 12th would be the better
place in cnn okay now we're doing one on

2646
03:38:44,239 --> 03:38:51,359
the six right one on the six six is
general seven

2647
03:38:48,399 --> 03:38:54,760
seventh is enterprise funds
and the twelve

2648
03:39:15,760 --> 03:39:22,080
okay june 15th was not available
correct

2649
03:39:19,920 --> 03:39:27,199
we didn't have all of you on the 15th so
uh oh okay because i said i could do the

2650
03:39:24,640 --> 03:39:32,080
15th we're done by two but i can't stay
out

2651
03:39:28,880 --> 03:39:36,000
okay but other people are not available
commissioner i know commissioner burton

2652
03:39:34,080 --> 03:39:40,880
you won't be available i would imagine
you won't be able to

2653
03:39:37,680 --> 03:39:40,880
i don't think i will leave

2654
03:39:49,120 --> 03:39:56,399
no i will not be um
over the tree the tree

2655
03:39:54,800 --> 03:40:01,120
workshop
tree plan on the 19th or 20th or 21st

2656
03:39:58,720 --> 03:40:03,680
that'd be another week
no well

2657
03:40:02,640 --> 03:40:06,720
um
so we don't have

2658
03:40:06,960 --> 03:40:12,560
what i don't know what about the are we
going to do it in the evening or can we

2659
03:40:10,560 --> 03:40:16,319
do it during the day
can we not do it on the 14th we have a

2660
03:40:14,479 --> 03:40:20,640
commission meeting that day
just this makes a long day i don't know

2661
03:40:18,479 --> 03:40:25,040
you know what but i mean how long will
that take

2662
03:40:22,800 --> 03:40:25,040
it's like

2663
03:40:26,000 --> 03:40:32,960
the regular meeting is on the 21st of
july if you're going into july the

2664
03:40:30,720 --> 03:40:36,479
regular meetings on the 21st of july at
one o'clock

2665
03:40:34,160 --> 03:40:40,560
okay but wouldn't that be nice to get it
done before the regular meeting on the

2666
03:40:38,239 --> 03:40:45,120
14th so that if we wanted to pass
something we could do it what about the

2667
03:40:42,960 --> 03:40:49,199
19th
is available

2668
03:40:46,160 --> 03:40:51,439
but that's not before before
i'm sorry

2669
03:40:50,319 --> 03:40:55,680
and you're going to have to make sure it
works with their schedule too right well

2670
03:40:53,359 --> 03:40:58,880
maybe the 14th we have to advertise it
10 days

2671
03:40:56,960 --> 03:41:02,560
do you think we could get it done do you
think that like if we did it on the 12th

2672
03:41:00,800 --> 03:41:06,239
do you think we could get it i mean how
long do you anticipate that's going to

2673
03:41:04,160 --> 03:41:10,399
take an hour
yeah yeah it's not that long could we

2674
03:41:08,560 --> 03:41:14,960
start it at noon on
on the on the 12th before the budget

2675
03:41:12,720 --> 03:41:19,199
workshop step two and you bring
sandwiches that's up to you all we could

2676
03:41:17,439 --> 03:41:22,479
make a working lunch
yeah yeah i mean

2677
03:41:22,560 --> 03:41:28,640
i'm just trying not to for us to kind of
if we have to cram some of these in we

2678
03:41:26,720 --> 03:41:31,840
got a lot that we have to do
and not have to be here you know

2679
03:41:30,479 --> 03:41:36,319
everybody would have to be here every
single day all right okay we can provide

2680
03:41:34,399 --> 03:41:43,720
lunch on the 12th and then we'll make it
a working lunch with the truth okay

2681
03:41:39,920 --> 03:41:43,720
or bring your own july

2682
03:41:51,279 --> 03:41:55,840
okay
what else do we have charles what other

2683
03:41:53,680 --> 03:42:00,000
dates do we need to go over that's those
are the work zones okay so i think we

2684
03:41:57,680 --> 03:42:02,960
need them also we need to
recommend moving the august commission

2685
03:42:01,840 --> 03:42:06,560
meeting
two days earlier to tuesday the night

2686
03:42:04,880 --> 03:42:11,720
because florida league of cities always
falls on your august meeting

2687
03:42:08,560 --> 03:42:11,720
last year

2688
03:42:18,630 --> 03:42:21,780
[Music]

2689
03:42:23,120 --> 03:42:28,350
do we have a second second
i have here

2690
03:42:27,760 --> 03:42:32,159
yes
[Music]

2691
03:42:35,040 --> 03:42:39,040
i can see that's probably an
interlocking meeting

2692
03:42:46,880 --> 03:42:52,840
yeah yes ma'am
what about my weekend charles

2693
03:43:05,359 --> 03:43:11,680
the first week
uh the two the second fourth august

2694
03:43:09,680 --> 03:43:15,199
second second
the day after the first i won't be home

2695
03:43:14,000 --> 03:43:19,340
that week
okay

2696
03:43:16,230 --> 03:43:19,340
[Music]

2697
03:43:31,680 --> 03:43:38,960
yeah right and even in charge of
handling it don't think people call you

2698
03:43:36,080 --> 03:43:42,239
why don't you just take all these stuff
so you know we i mean honestly does it

2699
03:43:41,600 --> 03:43:45,520
do
do we have that ability to take august

2700
03:43:44,479 --> 03:43:51,840
off
we got a lot going

2701
03:43:46,840 --> 03:43:51,840
on oh dude really charles says no

2702
03:43:52,800 --> 03:43:59,840
i could fill it up but let me say this
we don't have to have

2703
03:43:57,120 --> 03:44:04,479
bobby think about this we've got just
that that's about 11th and 12th we could

2704
03:44:02,880 --> 03:44:07,840
move the commission meeting to the
following week

2705
03:44:06,319 --> 03:44:12,560
that's something to think about do you
have anything on the 16th or the 18th of

2706
03:44:10,319 --> 03:44:17,080
the following week
planning and zoning will be 18. yeah

2707
03:44:22,960 --> 03:44:31,560
we can move it to the 16th
okay so

2708
03:44:27,920 --> 03:44:31,560
two sets of 16.

2709
03:44:32,200 --> 03:44:35,359
[Music]

2710
03:44:42,960 --> 03:44:48,239
right well we're asking about the 16th
planning and zoning is only 18.

2711
03:44:46,880 --> 03:44:52,720
okay we would have our commission
meeting on the 16th

2712
03:44:50,000 --> 03:44:55,199
hi okay so now what about bobby on 16.
no i'm good

2713
03:44:55,920 --> 03:45:02,560
the second tuesday is privacy okay
because tuesday night is dinner night

2714
03:45:01,040 --> 03:45:06,720
too commissioner devito are you
available

2715
03:45:04,160 --> 03:45:08,960
i actually don't know
um

2716
03:45:07,680 --> 03:45:14,080
i did i
i covered the period that your dates

2717
03:45:11,279 --> 03:45:18,560
covered i don't well you'll be coming
out of broward so that

2718
03:45:16,479 --> 03:45:21,680
honestly florida league is through the
13th if you wanted to have it on the

2719
03:45:20,479 --> 03:45:25,439
night
and i'm not trying to be

2720
03:45:23,680 --> 03:45:29,199
their meeting will be done before any
business before

2721
03:45:27,680 --> 03:45:33,439
they're done i've never been there more
than an hour okay so i could be here by

2722
03:45:31,359 --> 03:45:37,359
seven o'clock
most likely if you wanted to have let's

2723
03:45:34,960 --> 03:45:40,800
do that that first hour tonight was all
presentations yeah okay so let's let's

2724
03:45:39,439 --> 03:45:43,120
go back to the night let's go back to
them okay

2725
03:45:42,080 --> 03:45:46,319
do you want to
did she make the motion didn't you make

2726
03:45:44,399 --> 03:45:50,319
the motion commissioner
okay so we've gone around the night

2727
03:45:48,960 --> 03:45:54,640
together
i did make a motion for august night yes

2728
03:46:02,340 --> 03:46:05,399
[Music]

2729
03:46:06,640 --> 03:46:13,120
all in favor say aye hi
okay the ninth has it

2730
03:46:13,279 --> 03:46:19,680
we don't have to date we have to vote on
those special meetings also for the i

2731
03:46:18,000 --> 03:46:23,760
mean for the workshop so we have to vote
on that i think i have a consensus i'll

2732
03:46:21,760 --> 03:46:26,000
be having a schedule
okay

2733
03:46:26,080 --> 03:46:29,920
okay that's 6 7 12.

2734
03:46:30,000 --> 03:46:35,160
yes sir july 6 7 12th of july

2735
03:46:37,600 --> 03:46:43,040
okay
all right so mayor i have one question

2736
03:46:40,800 --> 03:46:47,680
about the budget workshop tim
um charles i had asked you what asked my

2737
03:46:46,560 --> 03:46:52,399
commission
and you i think you said bobby will work

2738
03:46:50,239 --> 03:46:58,800
on this about
replacing the county fire tax that we

2739
03:46:55,520 --> 03:47:04,800
eliminated with the tax of our own
to basically replace those funds

2740
03:47:02,239 --> 03:47:10,080
whether we talked about the fire tax
would we not cover that at one of these

2741
03:47:07,520 --> 03:47:13,600
meetings on the 6th 7th or 12th we'll
talk about the fire department on the

2742
03:47:11,760 --> 03:47:17,680
6th so that will come up at that time
we'll see how much he's requesting

2743
03:47:15,840 --> 03:47:22,640
and then obviously if we want to fund
that through a fire fee partially

2744
03:47:20,399 --> 03:47:26,080
he's asking for his volunteer incentive
program again and so forth

2745
03:47:24,800 --> 03:47:30,640
i mean we're
perpetually underfunded in the fire

2746
03:47:27,760 --> 03:47:34,960
department i'm just saying i don't
know is there enough time at this point

2747
03:47:34,000 --> 03:47:40,239
um
they'll have to be

2748
03:47:37,760 --> 03:47:44,840
so if you wanna the discussion is let's
let's do our own fire feed and

2749
03:47:43,199 --> 03:47:49,439
bring you
um let's see if that's almost six we'd

2750
03:47:47,199 --> 03:47:52,640
have time to advertise it
as an item on the july

2751
03:47:51,199 --> 03:47:56,080
agenda
i mean that has to be a whole separate

2752
03:47:54,479 --> 03:48:01,760
ordinance i don't know if there's any
extra advertising that you have to do

2753
03:47:59,920 --> 03:48:05,840
it's come but anyway so you're saying
the six that's what we will be talking

2754
03:48:03,520 --> 03:48:10,319
about fire department donald know all
about that they went through that black

2755
03:48:07,600 --> 03:48:13,600
and just before i left they got the fee
okay

2756
03:48:11,279 --> 03:48:16,080
okay do we have to vote on the workshops
we don't have to vote on the workshops

2757
03:48:14,800 --> 03:48:19,279
we've just agreed to i don't think it'll
thank you okay we just agreed to it

2758
03:48:17,760 --> 03:48:23,760
let's move on can we move on to the
authorization for compensation study rfp

2759
03:48:22,000 --> 03:48:27,760
yeah this was uh it's in the budget
amendment mid-year and uh since it's

2760
03:48:25,920 --> 03:48:33,840
over a thousand dollars i need your
approval to put it out to bid

2761
03:48:31,439 --> 03:48:33,840
i assume

2762
03:48:33,920 --> 03:48:39,120
okay we have a motion in a second do we
have any discussion

2763
03:48:40,640 --> 03:48:42,960
all in

2764
03:48:48,730 --> 03:48:55,920
[Music]

2765
03:49:08,800 --> 03:49:14,640
i need to close out though
i need to close that out okay so i'm

2766
03:49:12,880 --> 03:49:19,199
going to close out our general meeting
or for right this moment and i'm going

2767
03:49:16,399 --> 03:49:22,720
to open up the cra
so this item i'm going to stand over

2768
03:49:20,560 --> 03:49:22,720
here

2769
03:49:22,880 --> 03:49:24,960
is

2770
03:49:36,560 --> 03:49:42,560
which would be a month-long
uh series of events the folks that put

2771
03:49:40,399 --> 03:49:47,600
on events could keep their event and
have their logos and do it their way

2772
03:49:44,960 --> 03:49:50,560
uh we sort of have an umbrella event
that first weekend we kick it off we

2773
03:49:49,120 --> 03:49:54,560
turn on the lights
maybe the second week in the partnership

2774
03:49:52,160 --> 03:49:58,319
we do a christmas stroll or a window
decorating contest or something else on

2775
03:49:56,640 --> 03:50:01,840
the third weekend
and we encourage all of our residents to

2776
03:50:00,080 --> 03:50:06,399
light up their homes and light up their
businesses and just make it a big

2777
03:50:04,840 --> 03:50:09,600
celebration and what i want to show you
is kind of

2778
03:50:07,520 --> 03:50:14,399
aspirational video i know this went
outside of this community winter garden

2779
03:50:12,800 --> 03:50:18,800
and this was this would be something
down the road but it's it's very

2780
03:50:16,399 --> 03:50:21,279
aspirational and inspirational
and it does have some of the elements i

2781
03:50:20,080 --> 03:50:28,040
want to talk about lighting up our
minions

2782
03:50:22,640 --> 03:50:28,040
we have had so much positive feedback

2783
03:50:42,720 --> 03:50:45,720
nice

2784
03:50:48,000 --> 03:50:59,439
year i'll ask for a treat
[Music]

2785
03:50:57,359 --> 03:51:05,359
so when it flies look at the green the
green median see the green yeah

2786
03:51:02,720 --> 03:51:08,359
that's what i want to do on us 17 in the
middle

2787
03:51:27,320 --> 03:51:30,450
[Music]

2788
03:51:59,439 --> 03:52:02,439
is

2789
03:52:03,970 --> 03:52:08,840
[Music]

2790
03:52:13,470 --> 03:52:16,670
[Music]

2791
03:52:25,359 --> 03:52:29,319
so that was kind of um

2792
03:52:50,640 --> 03:52:56,319
hardware
on

2793
03:52:53,040 --> 03:53:00,800
400 green net lights and 400 strands of
100 white lights good idea

2794
03:52:58,960 --> 03:53:03,680
comes in about eight or nine thousand
dollars

2795
03:53:01,840 --> 03:53:08,660
uh what i'm asking for tonight is a kind
of not to exceed twenty thousand dollars

2796
03:53:06,640 --> 03:53:12,080
because what we'll need to do is um
[Music]

2797
03:53:10,479 --> 03:53:16,720
run some figure out electrical for the
park the front half of the park the

2798
03:53:14,000 --> 03:53:20,840
smaller trees are run on the ground on
the web of electrical outlets to each

2799
03:53:19,439 --> 03:53:24,479
tree
uh the

2800
03:53:21,840 --> 03:53:27,439
lift rental and so forth so these costs
will come in

2801
03:53:25,439 --> 03:53:31,199
much less than that but i don't want to
keep coming back and hold off until i

2802
03:53:29,439 --> 03:53:33,760
come get approval
you can see

2803
03:53:32,239 --> 03:53:38,960
this the first column is what the
adopted budget is

2804
03:53:35,600 --> 03:53:43,040
of all of our sort of programming um
the improvements we have 100 000 we have

2805
03:53:40,720 --> 03:53:47,120
86 000 left
the grant shows we have 78 000 we've

2806
03:53:45,600 --> 03:53:52,720
actually committed
um probably half of that so my intention

2807
03:53:50,479 --> 03:53:56,319
would be to move money from improvements
down to um you see we've got a little

2808
03:53:54,640 --> 03:53:58,640
bit over on our festivals and special
events

2809
03:53:57,279 --> 03:54:02,640
to
move that money down to that part so we

2810
03:54:00,720 --> 03:54:06,720
can buy the lights and
do this and this is really a multi-year

2811
03:54:05,199 --> 03:54:10,880
investment because we'll save all this
stuff this material

2812
03:54:08,399 --> 03:54:15,199
and squirrel away for next year and i'll
come back to you for a treat i'm going

2813
03:54:12,960 --> 03:54:18,319
in here uh we'll have a tree and every
year we'll add something more we'll just

2814
03:54:16,720 --> 03:54:21,439
keep growing this thing taking care of
what we buy

2815
03:54:19,600 --> 03:54:28,319
um so that we can eventually have this
huge to me a christmas celebration the

2816
03:54:23,920 --> 03:54:33,439
lights is such an easy easy tangible um
wonderful thing it's like fireworks

2817
03:54:30,640 --> 03:54:37,760
those two things people just come out
from fireworks and christmas lights

2818
03:54:35,920 --> 03:54:42,479
and then we just encourage our residents
we can even create a

2819
03:54:40,319 --> 03:54:48,080
residential award for somebody just goes
crazy in their yard a commercial award

2820
03:54:45,199 --> 03:54:51,600
and just really encourage um and so we
need to start all this now

2821
03:54:50,000 --> 03:54:55,520
uh because i've got to order the
everything in advance and i got to

2822
03:54:53,040 --> 03:55:00,080
design the electrical system
so you need a motion for us to prove for

2823
03:54:57,520 --> 03:55:03,920
you up to twenty thousand dollars yes i
would like a budget for this project uh

2824
03:55:02,160 --> 03:55:07,520
not to exceed twenty thousand dollars to
come back to you obviously

2825
03:55:06,160 --> 03:55:12,160
so
we have a motion second and a second do

2826
03:55:10,399 --> 03:55:16,399
we have any discussion
um

2827
03:55:13,120 --> 03:55:20,319
yes yeah i just wanted to share um
this is a lot and

2828
03:55:18,720 --> 03:55:23,199
just based on
um

2829
03:55:21,279 --> 03:55:26,319
what i've seen with the improvement on
central avenue even we had the grant

2830
03:55:25,279 --> 03:55:31,199
program
and we worked on two buildings there and

2831
03:55:29,120 --> 03:55:37,279
it's made a big difference
we don't have that big of a cra budget

2832
03:55:34,720 --> 03:55:41,600
we have other historic buildings right
on central avenue that are crumbling

2833
03:55:39,680 --> 03:55:46,399
we've got the blue moon lodge that needs
the roof and quite frankly

2834
03:55:43,760 --> 03:55:50,319
those two african-american churches
need some serious help soon

2835
03:55:53,359 --> 03:55:59,920
to me there would be more lasting and
there's a much greater need i mean we

2836
03:55:58,399 --> 03:56:03,680
can have lights
but

2837
03:56:00,640 --> 03:56:06,160
if our buildings are crumbling
um

2838
03:56:04,560 --> 03:56:11,199
i would rather see us
use those funds on the buildings and as

2839
03:56:08,960 --> 03:56:17,920
well
part of our cra plan is ecotourism

2840
03:56:14,960 --> 03:56:22,319
and i hate to say this but
lighting is one of the recommendations

2841
03:56:20,960 --> 03:56:27,040
actually i was reading on the back
conservancy today because we don't plan

2842
03:56:24,960 --> 03:56:32,640
to go on saturday
um

2843
03:56:28,880 --> 03:56:36,840
fpl and everyone else are trying to
reduce the amount of lighting we're not

2844
03:56:34,800 --> 03:56:40,160
an urban area
we're

2845
03:56:38,720 --> 03:56:44,800
we're an area that's talking about
ecotourism we're very very small

2846
03:56:42,800 --> 03:56:50,319
um
that degree of light is not necessarily

2847
03:56:47,120 --> 03:56:53,520
on the medians but lighting up the park
which is a residential area

2848
03:56:52,560 --> 03:56:59,760
um
cuts the other way for ecotourism

2849
03:56:56,960 --> 03:57:05,439
so i'm i just i think this needs a
little more

2850
03:57:02,160 --> 03:57:09,359
massaging about how we would do it
and i hate to spend money on lights on

2851
03:57:07,920 --> 03:57:13,040
17
when our building infrastructure

2852
03:57:12,160 --> 03:57:17,199
is
really needing help

2853
03:57:15,199 --> 03:57:22,080
well i i feel i understand what you're
saying i feel after these we finish our

2854
03:57:19,600 --> 03:57:26,000
current grants open grants and this
expenditure if i were to spend it all we

2855
03:57:23,840 --> 03:57:29,439
still have 100 000
for programming and then next year we

2856
03:57:28,160 --> 03:57:34,479
get
kind of replenished

2857
03:57:31,040 --> 03:57:38,479
in all three cra so um i feel that it's
a good investment and i don't think i'll

2858
03:57:36,399 --> 03:57:42,800
spend all that money but i think it's
um it'll just keep us moving forward

2859
03:57:41,199 --> 03:57:46,800
and then
we still have money for the grads can i

2860
03:57:44,640 --> 03:57:50,479
ask you a question or this year
yes yeah can i ask you a question yes

2861
03:57:49,040 --> 03:57:54,000
can we take it out a better place can we
take the 20 000 a better place

2862
03:57:58,880 --> 03:58:03,680
let's look at better clubs
we still have funds in better place we

2863
03:58:02,479 --> 03:58:07,199
have quite a bit of funds in better
place and

2864
03:58:05,680 --> 03:58:10,239
oh yeah we have almost three hundred
thousand dollars

2865
03:58:08,560 --> 03:58:13,199
so if she's concerned about that with
the cra um

2866
03:58:12,239 --> 03:58:19,680
do you
is that something that we could do is do

2867
03:58:15,439 --> 03:58:24,319
this on this out of a better place
i think it could if it's not a disposal

2868
03:58:22,479 --> 03:58:28,319
do you have a concern with that when you
say disposable kind of disposables well

2869
03:58:27,359 --> 03:58:31,720
we're not going to throw them away at
the end anymore

2870
03:58:31,840 --> 03:58:38,640
so yeah it would be an installation i
mean in the city it would be i mean it

2871
03:58:35,439 --> 03:58:41,040
would be an insulation here in the city
i'm just i'm just throwing that out

2872
03:58:40,239 --> 03:58:44,040
there
but

2873
03:58:44,319 --> 03:58:50,160
um but right now we have a motion
and i have a second to come out of the

2874
03:58:48,319 --> 03:58:54,450
cra funds
so we need to address that right now so

2875
03:58:52,399 --> 03:58:57,840
if you're not going to discussions
[Music]

2876
03:58:56,080 --> 03:59:01,520
i'll look into it if it's possible i'll
come back to you with that

2877
03:58:58,720 --> 03:59:05,279
recommendation um so we may as well take
it off the table tonight

2878
03:59:04,239 --> 03:59:09,359
there you go
now except for the fact you need to you

2879
03:59:07,600 --> 03:59:12,399
know he needs he wants to order the
lives

2880
03:59:10,160 --> 03:59:17,840
can we make
can we do an approval of proving you

2881
03:59:15,600 --> 03:59:21,600
twenty thousand dollars and then leave
it up to charles the best place to take

2882
03:59:19,680 --> 03:59:27,000
that money out of
then we do a motion

2883
03:59:23,120 --> 03:59:27,000
don't we have to be that specific

2884
03:59:27,050 --> 03:59:30,120
[Music]

2885
03:59:42,610 --> 03:59:45,689
[Music]

2886
03:59:52,319 --> 03:59:59,760
i resent my motion for the twenty
thousand dollars

2887
03:59:57,279 --> 04:00:04,080
for the from the
cra

2888
04:00:01,520 --> 04:00:08,880
and make a new motion
for the possibility up to twenty

2889
04:00:06,560 --> 04:00:12,080
thousand dollars from the better of the
place

2890
04:00:10,319 --> 04:00:16,479
right
for the park

2891
04:00:14,640 --> 04:00:20,840
correct
for the lighting for the lighting

2892
04:00:19,120 --> 04:00:24,239
in the medians within the
cra okay

2893
04:00:22,960 --> 04:00:27,439
are you good with that are you good with
that charles

2894
04:00:25,359 --> 04:00:31,840
okay bobby you good with that okay we
have a motion do we have a second

2895
04:00:29,520 --> 04:00:36,920
second okay all in favor say aye all
right

2896
04:00:33,199 --> 04:00:36,920
call opposed nay

2897
04:00:46,460 --> 04:00:53,920
[Music]
uh you want to go for the banner

2898
04:00:51,279 --> 04:00:57,520
oh yes the banner
this is that they're working with a

2899
04:00:55,120 --> 04:01:01,760
banner company um and we're not ready to
order them but because of the

2900
04:00:59,520 --> 04:01:05,760
they don't get approval now
i want to get the banners for us 17 or

2901
04:01:03,920 --> 04:01:09,680
sunrise sunset that everyone likes so
much

2902
04:01:06,720 --> 04:01:13,520
um costs in there that's for
60 banners i think if it's actually less

2903
04:01:12,239 --> 04:01:16,520
once they figure out the number of
brackets

2904
04:01:36,720 --> 04:01:43,840
everybody that has seen those that is
the one thing that they have been the

2905
04:01:41,600 --> 04:01:43,840
most

2906
04:01:44,840 --> 04:01:51,920
important and they choose to see those
uh do we need a motion yes

2907
04:01:49,680 --> 04:01:55,680
um i mean we approved the recommended
funds for the purchase of the sunrise

2908
04:01:53,760 --> 04:02:00,160
sunset
okay we have a motion second any other

2909
04:01:57,600 --> 04:02:00,160
discussion

2910
04:02:04,000 --> 04:02:09,439
and then very quickly i just want to
show you um we talked a little bit about

2911
04:02:07,520 --> 04:02:14,160
the
replacing the grass with brick last time

2912
04:02:12,080 --> 04:02:18,399
and it only wasn't clear everyone that's
what the attention was so i'm bringing i

2913
04:02:16,560 --> 04:02:21,439
want to show you and maybe a couple days
you haven't seen

2914
04:02:19,600 --> 04:02:25,120
of the improvements downtown this was
this building has been cleaned as you

2915
04:02:23,680 --> 04:02:29,359
this is not actually a photo this is a
photoshop but it has been pressure

2916
04:02:26,880 --> 04:02:33,840
washed and the broken glass has been
repaired new awnings are coming the

2917
04:02:31,439 --> 04:02:37,359
barber shop has been repaired we don't
have the um outer awning on there yet

2918
04:02:36,160 --> 04:02:41,040
but the
cover has been repaired so this shows

2919
04:02:39,439 --> 04:02:44,800
it's built out
as you can see in this area you really

2920
04:02:43,120 --> 04:02:48,000
feel like the public's place ends at the
edge of the sidewalk so if you were to

2921
04:02:46,399 --> 04:02:50,960
step off quickly and you're healed or
something you're off in the grass and

2922
04:02:49,920 --> 04:02:54,080
then
there's sprinklers there and again and

2923
04:02:52,239 --> 04:02:59,120
so forth so this extends that all the
way out so there's for benches and

2924
04:02:56,000 --> 04:02:59,120
public art and so far

2925
04:03:00,080 --> 04:03:05,600
this is the other project we're working
on

2926
04:03:02,399 --> 04:03:10,160
um where again you take that space
this this

2927
04:03:07,439 --> 04:03:13,279
part here
this is not part of the project it's

2928
04:03:12,000 --> 04:03:16,800
actually the ownership of this building
over here

2929
04:03:14,399 --> 04:03:20,960
um but you give me the point is this
coming in at the engine

2930
04:03:19,600 --> 04:03:25,040
the palm trees are getting into the
power lines they look shredded up there

2931
04:03:23,520 --> 04:03:29,199
to notice
to replace those probably

2932
04:03:27,199 --> 04:03:32,160
trees be more attractive
uh this

2933
04:03:30,479 --> 04:03:36,960
this was only looked at purchasing this
law and they wanted just many times to

2934
04:03:34,399 --> 04:03:41,199
get great value so we let them go
there's still a possibility

2935
04:03:38,560 --> 04:03:43,920
again extending the public space
um

2936
04:03:42,399 --> 04:03:46,640
this is actually on 17 i just want to
show you these renderings that verified

2937
04:03:45,439 --> 04:03:48,720
showed you
uh

2938
04:03:47,439 --> 04:03:52,960
to add a
meanwall so you create a lively

2939
04:03:51,040 --> 04:03:57,920
aliveness i'm very interested in
participating we're going to work on

2940
04:03:54,560 --> 04:03:57,920
giving them some estimates for that

2941
04:03:59,439 --> 04:04:03,520
you're taking out the parts
yes

2942
04:04:04,640 --> 04:04:11,680
yes it would be approved today by grp
and we would do a parking agreement with

2943
04:04:09,279 --> 04:04:15,040
them for our lot their customers use our
lot we would just formalize that group

2944
04:04:13,199 --> 04:04:18,000
that they need they meet our code with
the use of our lot

2945
04:04:18,080 --> 04:04:24,080
this is another bill this one actually
has been painted since this photo yeah

2946
04:04:22,479 --> 04:04:28,160
it looks much better this is if they
were to restore

2947
04:04:26,080 --> 04:04:34,840
the windows again it's got a
maroon our deep red awning and door

2948
04:04:30,800 --> 04:04:34,840
what's going in there now

2949
04:04:40,399 --> 04:04:46,239
so this is improving again this this
space here

2950
04:04:44,000 --> 04:04:50,399
we're looking at um breaking that's all
crushed uh concrete right now actually

2951
04:04:48,560 --> 04:04:55,279
breaking that so that potentially it
could become a public space where

2952
04:04:53,199 --> 04:04:58,080
a tenant might have this
there were multiple tenants in that

2953
04:04:56,640 --> 04:05:00,640
building it's a pretty good size
building

2954
04:04:58,960 --> 04:05:04,560
uh used to be a multi team it's built as
a multi-tenant building on a low-known

2955
04:05:02,160 --> 04:05:08,880
solutions worker
this is just some some assad rumors uh

2956
04:05:07,279 --> 04:05:12,880
t-city music
uh in the vacant building if you were to

2957
04:05:11,279 --> 04:05:16,479
just some simple
massage work including the sign up above

2958
04:05:15,520 --> 04:05:19,840
music
over here creating again a public space

2959
04:05:18,880 --> 04:05:22,720
and
even a food truck spot

2960
04:05:21,439 --> 04:05:27,120
this says food hall on there you can't
see the city hall

2961
04:05:24,399 --> 04:05:31,840
just as an idea it's a big space
this building was we were going to go

2962
04:05:29,359 --> 04:05:36,000
purchase it and then call to make the
offer it was already under contract

2963
04:05:34,160 --> 04:05:39,840
but these are some improvements that
could happen to that building

2964
04:05:37,680 --> 04:05:44,800
various colors this shows adding a door
back here for a brewery i think it could

2965
04:05:42,880 --> 04:05:49,760
be a retailer in the front
um different colors and then again

2966
04:05:46,800 --> 04:05:54,160
creating gathering place bringing public
space that's also non-performing parking

2967
04:05:52,160 --> 04:05:59,840
where you actually stick out in the road
when you park there

2968
04:05:56,800 --> 04:05:59,840
that shows the potential

2969
04:06:00,000 --> 04:06:05,199
this one was done more recently uh
beautiful building i think really one of

2970
04:06:04,080 --> 04:06:09,199
our treasures
uh but just um

2971
04:06:07,199 --> 04:06:12,479
facade work it really just needs the
roof is good it needs a little work up

2972
04:06:10,800 --> 04:06:15,840
here to the ease
and painting and then this is part of

2973
04:06:14,239 --> 04:06:19,279
the same property it could be a great
space

2974
04:06:17,199 --> 04:06:22,319
for public gathering and living really
lighting up the area

2975
04:06:20,720 --> 04:06:24,640
and this would show the flight was from
training instead of those little palm

2976
04:06:23,600 --> 04:06:26,960
trees
you can see

2977
04:06:33,199 --> 04:06:39,120
this is what's in the redevelopment plan
is yellow brick which i don't like

2978
04:06:37,359 --> 04:06:43,279
it has a grass strip here which would be
difficult to maintain

2979
04:06:41,600 --> 04:06:50,000
and you can see down here this is it
shows red brick down here

2980
04:06:46,560 --> 04:06:53,120
but these are looking at red brick
plant clusters

2981
04:06:51,600 --> 04:06:56,640
this actually this manufacturer took
this picture in richmond it's actually

2982
04:06:54,960 --> 04:07:00,319
crescent gardens
the company that sells those i thought

2983
04:06:58,080 --> 04:07:03,760
it was interesting great myrtle trees
hanging baskets

2984
04:07:02,239 --> 04:07:07,359
the corners actually creates a little
triangle bed

2985
04:07:05,279 --> 04:07:12,000
could be beautiful flower beds
banners and benches on central avenue so

2986
04:07:09,920 --> 04:07:17,279
great central really is a nice
attractive strolling place

2987
04:07:15,279 --> 04:07:19,840
we start on the poles tomorrow let's go
back to this

2988
04:07:20,560 --> 04:07:22,880
working

2989
04:07:24,120 --> 04:07:27,169
[Music]

2990
04:07:29,680 --> 04:07:36,399
improvements for the old post office
building

2991
04:07:33,600 --> 04:07:41,920
the italianate building all right
um yeah i yes i have heard from

2992
04:07:39,520 --> 04:07:46,640
knowledgeable persons that that building
may need structural assistance

2993
04:07:44,880 --> 04:07:51,840
that i mean that would be a potential
one for grants to make sure that it's in

2994
04:07:48,800 --> 04:07:51,840
good condition

2995
04:07:51,920 --> 04:07:57,359
well that
that's a big issue

2996
04:07:54,880 --> 04:08:01,199
and the other one is everybody in the
world i don't know um

2997
04:07:59,439 --> 04:08:06,560
if they've got a buyer yet
but this break house which i think isn't

2998
04:08:03,439 --> 04:08:10,080
that one of our historic buildings
um

2999
04:08:07,760 --> 04:08:16,000
everybody who goes by that building and
has any kind of eyesight for it at all

3000
04:08:12,640 --> 04:08:22,159
is very concerned about the
structure of the spray house so

3001
04:08:19,359 --> 04:08:24,960
um if we have grant money
for

3002
04:08:23,439 --> 04:08:28,399
actual
um

3003
04:08:26,800 --> 04:08:32,560
you know structural
improvements i think those two buildings

3004
04:08:30,800 --> 04:08:37,840
need attention
not to mention the two churches

3005
04:08:35,520 --> 04:08:40,560
this one i've actually spoken with
several people that were all excited

3006
04:08:39,359 --> 04:08:43,840
about lying
and then i never saw them again so

3007
04:08:42,479 --> 04:08:46,159
they got into the balance of that
building

3008
04:08:59,120 --> 04:09:06,399
so my question is could offering like
grant assistance

3009
04:09:04,319 --> 04:09:08,880
and i i do think i think one problem
with our grant program i think that

3010
04:09:07,920 --> 04:09:13,040
money
needs to be paid back eventually so that

3011
04:09:11,600 --> 04:09:16,399
you know i think it's more appropriate
for it to revolve in some way

3012
04:09:15,199 --> 04:09:19,680
but
is it possible that offering a grant

3013
04:09:18,880 --> 04:09:24,080
would
incentivize the buyer yeah

3014
04:09:22,640 --> 04:09:29,040
we want to work with them we show them
this okay and they were very interested

3015
04:09:26,720 --> 04:09:32,560
and i feel like we do get paid back we
you know if you pull a permit then we're

3016
04:09:30,720 --> 04:09:36,239
going to hear the work done is going to
create a

3017
04:09:33,439 --> 04:09:38,960
new assessment property
well you have grants and then you have

3018
04:09:38,000 --> 04:09:42,780
you have
grants that are just given to you and

3019
04:09:40,479 --> 04:09:47,279
you don't think
[Music]

3020
04:09:45,760 --> 04:09:52,239
there's all kinds of different brands
out there but grants really are not easy

3021
04:09:49,840 --> 04:09:56,800
to come by i mean they only have so much
money i'm saying our grant program the

3022
04:09:54,560 --> 04:10:01,120
one we gave to scott king and the other
buildings that we gave that money with

3023
04:09:58,880 --> 04:10:03,760
no strings whatsoever
well there's a payback provision if he

3024
04:10:02,720 --> 04:10:07,120
were to
to change it paint over it or remove the

3025
04:10:05,840 --> 04:10:11,199
awning
but no we that we're saving the building

3026
04:10:09,199 --> 04:10:14,720
same thing here i recommend we've got to
save that building yeah so we may come

3027
04:10:13,199 --> 04:10:19,760
back to you and say
we recommend a grant to termite you know

3028
04:10:16,720 --> 04:10:24,550
detented example i mean there's a lot
and if it's a big amount somebody

3029
04:10:21,800 --> 04:10:27,709
asked me
[Music]

3030
04:10:31,520 --> 04:10:38,239
and i'm glad to know that you are
actively trying to entice a buyer

3031
04:10:36,000 --> 04:10:42,399
absolutely okay and i just need the same
thing applies to this brake house

3032
04:10:39,920 --> 04:10:46,479
because it's got you know
it needs help well christina

3033
04:10:45,359 --> 04:10:50,239
deals with
potential buyers

3034
04:10:48,239 --> 04:10:53,560
all the time they're she's constantly
been uh

3035
04:10:56,000 --> 04:11:01,439
i mean that's that's just i mean i just
know that with her with what she's been

3036
04:10:59,439 --> 04:11:06,000
doing she's been she's been dealing with
a lot of people okay and and

3037
04:11:04,080 --> 04:11:09,600
somebody reached out to me with the one
gentleman that was looking at buying the

3038
04:11:07,279 --> 04:11:11,520
sprague house he even reached out to me
um

3039
04:11:10,720 --> 04:11:14,399
and
i don't know

3040
04:11:12,560 --> 04:11:17,050
and he kind of disappeared he's a lot of
money a lot of money he was looking at

3041
04:11:16,000 --> 04:11:21,840
1500
[Music]

3042
04:11:18,319 --> 04:11:24,880
in there yeah and um
you know so

3043
04:11:22,960 --> 04:11:29,840
uh these buyers are coming to the city
they're talking to charles and christina

3044
04:11:27,279 --> 04:11:34,960
um constantly but just getting them to
pull the trigger is a whole nother it's

3045
04:11:32,399 --> 04:11:34,960
a whole other

3046
04:11:35,600 --> 04:11:41,120
yes
okay we have your report has everybody

3047
04:11:38,800 --> 04:11:45,040
had a chance to go to charleston
oh i need to close out this year thank

3048
04:11:42,720 --> 04:11:49,359
you gary for keeping us on track
closing out the cra and opening back up

3049
04:11:47,439 --> 04:11:53,760
our commission meeting
i just wanted to note uh city hall be

3050
04:11:51,600 --> 04:11:56,760
closed on the 20th
um

3051
04:11:57,199 --> 04:11:59,439
okay

3052
04:12:00,319 --> 04:12:08,800
um you have his report in front of you
if anybody have any questions

3053
04:12:06,000 --> 04:12:13,120
um i have a question about two things i
did not see in the report um

3054
04:12:11,760 --> 04:12:17,279
one is
what is the status after a workshop

3055
04:12:19,840 --> 04:12:26,159
uh well
we're hoping today was that today

3056
04:12:24,720 --> 04:12:29,920
our roofer's going to look at it we're
still waiting on a bid a price

3057
04:12:28,720 --> 04:12:32,319
the challenge of getting someone over
there willing to go there and look at it

3058
04:12:31,520 --> 04:12:35,600
so
i think that may have happened yesterday

3059
04:12:34,159 --> 04:12:40,800
or today so we're hoping to get a price
because you did very well with central

3060
04:12:37,199 --> 04:12:45,840
avenue so um yeah okay there's that and
then what is the

3061
04:12:42,880 --> 04:12:51,600
status as far as meetings or whatever
um with our waste closed contracts

3062
04:12:49,040 --> 04:12:56,319
we're still waiting for their uh
draft the proposal

3063
04:12:54,560 --> 04:12:59,520
they were putting one together
and daniel reached out to me um actually

3064
04:12:58,560 --> 04:13:04,560
the other day when i had that
conversation with him about the property

3065
04:13:01,760 --> 04:13:09,680
at the end of central um he said that
they just about had it all ready to come

3066
04:13:06,640 --> 04:13:14,239
to you to bring you so soon
are we going to get options or are they

3067
04:13:11,680 --> 04:13:18,920
just going to give us the total option
um i'll do it when i see it

3068
04:13:21,630 --> 04:13:25,030
[Music]

3069
04:13:31,120 --> 04:13:36,239
where are they gonna start on your
little yellow house oh

3070
04:13:34,720 --> 04:13:40,960
i don't know
okay

3071
04:13:38,479 --> 04:13:40,960
that's been

3072
04:13:56,190 --> 04:13:59,259
[Music]

3073
04:14:06,640 --> 04:14:11,359
i've never really dealt with him i
thought i would deal with um

3074
04:14:14,319 --> 04:14:22,720
there was that article about trail towns
and there were two bicycle features

3075
04:14:18,880 --> 04:14:26,560
i think it was just
and i thought i had no idea

3076
04:14:24,399 --> 04:14:30,000
okay is everybody good with um charles
is no more comments on charles city

3077
04:14:28,399 --> 04:14:33,359
management report
if not i'm going to go ahead and open it

3078
04:14:31,680 --> 04:14:37,040
up for commission comments do you have
any comments i'll start with you

3079
04:14:44,239 --> 04:14:48,880
sure thank you
[Music]

3080
04:14:46,640 --> 04:14:51,840
um i would just like to make everyone
aware that

3081
04:14:52,960 --> 04:14:59,920
a very large part of a tree came down
across our driveway while far

3082
04:14:58,560 --> 04:15:03,439
out of town
it covered

3083
04:15:01,600 --> 04:15:08,800
all of main street it would have killed
anybody who'd been underneath it

3084
04:15:06,399 --> 04:15:12,720
as well a very large branch came down
from a heritage oak

3085
04:15:11,199 --> 04:15:15,439
before that
in evil eyes park

3086
04:15:14,720 --> 04:15:21,680
so
i cannot emphasize to y'all enough

3087
04:15:19,439 --> 04:15:24,640
the report and the recommendations that
advanced tree care did for the heritage

3088
04:15:23,600 --> 04:15:29,840
oaks
over in the park

3089
04:15:26,560 --> 04:15:34,000
that came in in 2019
in april it's been over three years we

3090
04:15:31,920 --> 04:15:39,199
haven't done anything
the concerns focused around the soil

3091
04:15:37,600 --> 04:15:42,960
compaction
that is basically

3092
04:15:41,199 --> 04:15:46,720
damaging the roots to the point where
it's going to damage the tree

3093
04:15:45,199 --> 04:15:50,560
i think we need to give this some
attention

3094
04:15:47,760 --> 04:15:55,279
before we lose the trees
and haven't forbid

3095
04:15:53,760 --> 04:16:00,880
someone
that's underneath when that happens

3096
04:15:57,760 --> 04:16:04,960
so it's a serious issue
i mean more than one person that's been

3097
04:16:02,640 --> 04:16:08,560
killed right out there in main street
that was um probably a couple tons of

3098
04:16:07,279 --> 04:16:12,239
trees and i'll share with you all the
photos

3099
04:16:10,080 --> 04:16:15,040
was it retreat was it one of our treats
it's a city tree

3100
04:16:18,159 --> 04:16:25,279
taken down from that tree that was over
our driveway a couple of years ago

3101
04:16:23,120 --> 04:16:28,800
and um
i mean it's i think it was one of the

3102
04:16:26,800 --> 04:16:33,040
ones damaged in hurricane
but anyway this report you all have it

3103
04:16:31,279 --> 04:16:37,040
from advanced streetcare
i really think we need to take this

3104
04:16:34,479 --> 04:16:42,720
seriously because it applies
to quite a number of city trees and

3105
04:16:39,600 --> 04:16:45,439
we can save our trees and save money
so

3106
04:16:44,080 --> 04:16:47,680
that i just want to share that with
y'all

3107
04:16:48,000 --> 04:16:54,479
thank you
is that it

3108
04:16:51,279 --> 04:16:58,399
um i do want to make a clarification of
commissioners you've all received

3109
04:16:55,840 --> 04:17:03,279
something in the mail
from a concerned citizen you mean the

3110
04:17:01,359 --> 04:17:08,560
anonymous letter the anonymous letter
right and so i mean i hope if you if any

3111
04:17:05,920 --> 04:17:12,800
of you had that concern um that you
would come to me about it

3112
04:17:10,720 --> 04:17:19,040
is absolutely
absolutely false and um

3113
04:17:15,760 --> 04:17:23,760
i think that it just
i i don't understand why people are not

3114
04:17:21,199 --> 04:17:28,319
willing to stand behind
these letters with their names and come

3115
04:17:26,479 --> 04:17:33,439
to us rather than try to spread these
type of rumors but i just struggled and

3116
04:17:31,600 --> 04:17:38,159
especially for you commissioner banks i
just wanted you to know that in no way

3117
04:17:36,000 --> 04:17:41,680
we are just about to celebrate our 35th
wedding anniversary we've been together

3118
04:17:39,840 --> 04:17:45,680
almost 39 years
and he's stuck with me whether he wants

3119
04:17:43,600 --> 04:17:45,680
to

3120
04:17:46,960 --> 04:17:51,680
so
so with that

3121
04:17:50,000 --> 04:17:54,800
that's all i want to say
and then we can't talk about it except

3122
04:17:53,520 --> 04:17:59,520
for the fact i
in public i just

3123
04:17:56,640 --> 04:18:02,560
any time with these people um anybody
listening that if you have these

3124
04:18:01,359 --> 04:18:07,840
concerns
please by all means reach out to us

3125
04:18:04,800 --> 04:18:12,080
don't do it anonymously um i think it's
a lot of things out there on facebook

3126
04:18:09,600 --> 04:18:16,319
that's really ugly and and they do it
anonymously and

3127
04:18:14,239 --> 04:18:20,000
stand behind your words you know say it
so that's all i gotta say

3128
04:18:18,080 --> 04:18:22,720
and with that going to get a motion to
close yes i just want to say one thing

3129
04:18:21,920 --> 04:18:26,960
um
actually that was a very ugly letter it

3130
04:18:24,720 --> 04:18:30,399
had nothing to do with city business
it was just ugly

3131
04:18:28,880 --> 04:18:34,479
um
so people shouldn't even try that stuff

3132
04:18:33,279 --> 04:18:38,319
i don't think you've heard about this
from any of us

3133
04:18:35,840 --> 04:18:43,760
um and you know if there's a concern
about finances or some actual issue

3134
04:18:41,040 --> 04:18:47,199
you know fine go to the city manager but
yeah just be ugly and i'm sorry that

3135
04:18:45,520 --> 04:18:51,680
happened and if you just want to hurt me
that's okay i can take it but don't hurt

3136
04:18:49,040 --> 04:18:55,760
other people trying to get out exactly
that was true

3137
04:18:53,840 --> 04:18:59,800
with that said i would need a motion to
close

3138
04:18:56,800 --> 04:18:59,800
yes

3139
04:19:11,279 --> 04:19:16,640
so i really think there's three ways
that we could go about it the first one

3140
04:19:14,640 --> 04:19:19,760
would be just a simple leak
where

3141
04:19:17,520 --> 04:19:23,120
there would not be an option to buy uh
it could just be for a turn of years one

3142
04:19:21,680 --> 04:19:27,359
year five years something like that
where we retained ownership of it

3143
04:19:25,279 --> 04:19:31,199
um but they used it
or we could have an instance where there

3144
04:19:29,680 --> 04:19:35,120
was a leash safe for like three years
with an option to buy for a dollar at

3145
04:19:33,520 --> 04:19:39,279
the end of three years if we were
satisfied with the improvements they

3146
04:19:37,199 --> 04:19:44,080
made and all that stuff or obviously
there's the option to go ahead and beat

3147
04:19:41,199 --> 04:19:48,960
it over to them i wouldn't just caution
that we not do anything

3148
04:19:46,720 --> 04:19:54,319
as far as transferring
it ownership until they have their 501

3149
04:19:53,199 --> 04:19:57,920
because
they're immediately going to take on a

3150
04:19:56,399 --> 04:20:01,760
almost thousand dollar a year tax
consequence they're gonna take a lot of

3151
04:19:59,680 --> 04:20:06,000
financial burden that's the only caution
that i would have is to just if we're

3152
04:20:03,840 --> 04:20:11,439
going to need the property over to them
is to not do it until they have their

3153
04:20:08,159 --> 04:20:14,479
non-profit status they don't take on a
tax liability right away

3154
04:20:13,520 --> 04:20:17,199
um
but i just brought that up it wasn't on

3155
04:20:15,840 --> 04:20:22,960
that but if y'all have any questions or
want me to explore any other avenues

3156
04:20:20,560 --> 04:20:29,199
can we sell that property sell it just
not right

3157
04:20:26,080 --> 04:20:32,399
just anybody yeah yeah
i need to sell it to them

3158
04:20:34,080 --> 04:20:40,250
you know
what i mean

3159
04:20:36,640 --> 04:20:43,770
then they have ownership i mean actually
[Music]

3160
04:20:48,720 --> 04:20:54,159
you have to have some sort of a dollar
ten dollars

3161
04:20:52,000 --> 04:21:00,640
you when you do that there has to be a
monitor but it does have some value that

3162
04:20:57,600 --> 04:21:05,199
the property has some value to see
um it's not ten dollars but

3163
04:21:03,120 --> 04:21:08,399
um
you know that that just

3164
04:21:06,960 --> 04:21:13,680
cleaned it up
per se and they own it and then they can

3165
04:21:10,880 --> 04:21:17,760
then they can do kind of what uh
mr west said ron can go in and do the

3166
04:21:15,680 --> 04:21:22,479
wiring for him and joe can come in and
do the plumbing

3167
04:21:20,000 --> 04:21:25,120
but anyway i'm just saying that yeah
i think that's an option

3168
04:21:24,239 --> 04:21:31,600
i think
three years and then look at it then

3169
04:21:28,319 --> 04:21:34,880
again at least for three years
freshman year

3170
04:21:33,120 --> 04:21:39,359
and then bring it back and look at it
again and that takes a lot of depression

3171
04:21:37,439 --> 04:21:42,080
because they just stopping now
they just start now they're just trying

3172
04:21:41,199 --> 04:21:45,279
to
really they got good intention and they

3173
04:21:44,000 --> 04:21:49,520
won't
want the building

3174
04:21:47,120 --> 04:21:53,600
so if we get three years and you know
then go back and visit and get up into

3175
04:21:51,840 --> 04:21:59,520
three years
and see where they stand

3176
04:21:56,080 --> 04:21:59,520
i think that would be a good one

3177
04:21:59,600 --> 04:22:02,960
i think they will be happy

3178
04:22:03,439 --> 04:22:08,479
yeah we just want to make sure that we
just don't set them up for failure and

3179
04:22:06,479 --> 04:22:13,840
that's and and bobby's made a very good
point with that if we turn over

3180
04:22:10,640 --> 04:22:17,120
ownership right now the financial burden
i mean

3181
04:22:14,960 --> 04:22:21,279
yeah the insurance the liability
everything else is going to fall into

3182
04:22:18,960 --> 04:22:24,399
that and so
that just sets them up and that's the

3183
04:22:22,720 --> 04:22:27,120
last thing we want to do because i think
that yeah the last thing we want is to

3184
04:22:25,840 --> 04:22:31,600
be back in this
situation well and and to harm them in

3185
04:22:29,840 --> 04:22:34,800
any way
and the whole point of the workshop was

3186
04:22:34,000 --> 04:22:38,479
it's
the newman lodge there's

3187
04:22:37,520 --> 04:22:42,800
it's
a contributing structure and there's a

3188
04:22:40,000 --> 04:22:46,479
lot of history there so the hope
was to have a win-win

3189
04:22:44,479 --> 04:22:49,680
and preserve what is
including commissioner bank's history

3190
04:22:48,159 --> 04:22:54,080
the town history
um and i think commissioner banks is on

3191
04:22:52,080 --> 04:22:58,159
the right track to give them
to help them along to

3192
04:22:56,640 --> 04:23:02,560
you know to make this a process that
will work for everyone but i think he's

3193
04:23:00,399 --> 04:23:07,040
got a good handle on diane you wanted to
say something you've got you got one

3194
04:23:04,960 --> 04:23:11,920
minute now would you go ahead
thanks like sarah for chestnut street i

3195
04:23:09,680 --> 04:23:16,800
don't understand why we're not handling
a lodge the way salmon were handling the

3196
04:23:14,640 --> 04:23:23,040
little blue house the city owns
the building

3197
04:23:17,610 --> 04:23:27,479
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release it from them yeah

3198
04:23:31,020 --> 04:23:34,049
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3199
04:23:44,670 --> 04:23:47,700
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