[6:32] 6 p.m
june 9th 2022 we have all commissioners
[6:37] present
together with charles red city manager
[6:41] bobby pickens our city attorney
and then we have captain ussr with the
[6:47] sheriff's department
pam taylor code enforcement and
[6:51] christina with our cra she's a cra
director everybody's here tonight
[6:56] welcome thank you for being here
commissioner banks you want to go ahead
[7:00] and meet us and
anybody stand please
[7:05] father once again we come before we give
you thanks as we give you praise after
[7:09] this commandment tonight father we
thank you for our life and our health
[7:13] and
strength watch overs and keep us safe
[7:17] while we're doing the city business
great that you bless our community each
[7:21] commissioner and yours in jesus name
amen amen
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[7:40] thank you
[7:45] we have a couple of announcements um
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[7:49] this saturday from two to four
the um ccdc has a
[7:57] that expert that is coming to town
commissioner burton you want to just
[8:03] mention what she's going to be giving
the talk on from two to
[8:11] and how four actually help the
environment community and um
[8:15] conservation
uh it's it's pretty
[8:19] we talked about it it's very informative
it's for all ages too by the way
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[8:38] her name is uh sherry is it clark
she's the uh president of the
[8:44] conservative right i would say i want to
say
[8:47] yeah conservancy thank you uh of uh
so
[8:52] hopefully
and that's going to be over at the
[8:55] historic um
society's building
[8:58] in the former middle school
i believe you can go in the back door
[9:03] you can go in the back parking lot
[9:07] i don't know if any of you have ever
gone to gainesville
[9:10] and witnessed they have two big bat
houses there but they are fascinating
[9:15] i avoid them because they do get caught
in my hair
[9:19] um
you know it's one of those
[9:22] things you have to be careful of but
looking forward to that on saturday this
[9:27] saturday
we've also got juneteenth coming up and
[9:31] uh angel duke is going to be here she's
going to give us a presentation on that
[9:35] and that's going to be the following
saturday
[9:38] and that's going to be an evil lions
park
[9:41] i'm sorry saturday sunday
and then of course our farmers market i
[9:47] don't know how many of you have been to
our farmers and um
[9:50] art market but we have it on the fourth
saturday of every month we've had our
[9:56] second one with a tremendous turnout
and that is all going to be on the 25th
[10:04] and that's going to be from nine in the
morning until two
[10:08] that same day busy day in crescent city
we've got red white and boone
[10:12] which is hosted by the yacht club of
course they get a lot of sponsors
[10:16] including our cra for that
um
[10:20] and that's going to be our fireworks in
celebration of the fourth of july here
[10:24] in crescent city so please be sure to
come out for that i know they're going
[10:28] to have the street clothes from park
and uh there'll be a lot of vendors and
[10:34] hopefully some food trucks down there
that afternoon and evening
[10:38] to um for those that come out
and then this saturday on sunday i
[10:43] apologize at crescent city kennel
they're going to be hosting the shots
[10:48] for the animals from 12 to 2.
so anybody that needs shots
[10:54] they can come out
and
[10:57] i want to say last weekend we had a lot
going on in crescent city
[11:01] but last weekend we had our cops kids
and kayaks
[11:05] um hosted by the sheriff's department
tremendous amount of work goes into that
[11:10] it's all volunteer
and
[11:13] we had a great turnout um i believe
everybody enjoyed once again the weather
[11:19] held out
and uh very very thankful for that
[11:23] so it was a great turnout and we're
going to work on some things from next
[11:27] year and hopefully being able to provide
the children some free meals so we've
[11:31] got some people that have stepped up and
said they wanted to be sponsors and cook
[11:35] for the children so the children can
have a free meal
[11:38] but it was a great day and then i want
to personally think
[11:42] we had um
13
[11:45] a national honor society
16 16 total
[11:49] okay 16 total national honor society uh
high schoolers that came in and they
[11:55] were two days here in town they worked
um
[11:58] tuesday and wednesday on tuesday they
pressure washed the sidewalks some of
[12:03] the sidewalks and the uh gazebo over
evil lions park
[12:08] double worked here in the office and
then some of them painted finished
[12:12] painting the wall over at dexter park
the next day they came in and they
[12:18] worked with both karen and christina
working on things here in the office and
[12:23] putting some boxes away and moving some
things back and forth so it was a
[12:27] tremendous help and
we are most appreciative always
[12:31] appreciated for that
okay
[12:33] and i think with that
um
[12:37] we're going to go ahead and get started
so let's start with um
[12:43] go to your agenda we've got approval of
the minutes
[12:49] got the approval of may 10
2022 those are our boat rv trailer
[12:54] workshop minutes
motion
[13:00] okay we have a motion and we have a
second do we have any discussion
[13:15] i would like to insert responding to
commissioner vito's question
[13:20] um because what went on there was
something that i initiated so thank you
[13:26] again
thank you for bringing that to our
[13:28] attention thank you very much
yes page three uh third paragraph put
[13:35] down that go for the words body picking
just put the words responding to
[13:38] commissioner to do this question
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[13:42] okay karen
did you get that changed
[13:45] okay so we have a change do you we
accept that in your emotion i do
[13:50] with changes
yes okay so we have any other changes
[13:53] any other comments
hearing none we have a motion we have a
[13:57] second all in favor say aye
okay motion carries
[14:03] let's go to may 12 2022 we have a
branding workshop
[14:07] minutes
line of motion
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we have a motion in a second do we have
[14:13] any discussion
okay
[14:17] all in favor say aye all right
okay
[14:22] may 12 same day 2022 special events
workshop
[14:27] we have a motion nice
motion in a second any discussion
[14:34] all in favor say aye
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[14:40] may 12 2022 our regular commission
meeting and our cra meeting those are
[14:45] those minutes do i have a motion
all right
[14:49] okay
we have a second do we have any
[14:52] discussions
[14:55] seeing no discussion all in favor say hi
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[15:02] may 31st 2022 commission joint meeting
and that was with our concerned citizens
[15:07] of south putnam
so do we have a motion
[15:12] we have a motion and a second any
discussion
[15:17] all in favor say aye
[15:22] at that time we're going to go into and
let's um we've got some
[15:26] our recognition proclamations and
presentation uh
[15:31] angel
duke i believe is going to speak to us
[15:34] about juneteenth give us an update on
that so angel if you want to come
[15:39] forward and then after that i've got a
special guest here that i would also
[15:43] like to recognize i don't think amen it
is
[15:48] clarity
oh okay we're going to put you want to
[15:50] introduce her then
okay
[15:53] mary lou we'll introduce you to that
time
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[16:09] okay i if you will just do me a favor
angel and pull that microphone down i
[16:13] know this you're having some there you
go thank you
[16:17] good evening everyone
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[16:35] i would be um if i did not want to do it
anyway
[16:39] [Music]
oh i forgot something and you'll do it
[16:42] for the report
[16:46] no of course
[16:55] uh we don't have the same team that we
had
[16:58] two years ago because we knew for two
years
[17:06] what's exciting to say the least
last year
[17:10] i think
everyone probably screamed we found out
[17:14] that
[17:17] i was being uh as a national federal
holiday
[17:21] so i told the team listen
don't feel up to it but we're gonna push
[17:25] through it we're trying to get through
the email because i set the
[17:29] requests
[17:38] national federal holiday
and nobody's stepping forward we
[17:42] couldn't afford to do that
some people are exciting the gym team
[17:48] um park will be open with all kinds of
activities we have some really young
[17:52] people working because now for me
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[17:56] um juneteenth in the morning
of our christmas giving came to this
[18:00] june 19th
we are celebrating this team at pastor
[18:05] reeds churches we call the randolph
church you guys are welcome to come out
[18:09] around different types of keto pinot
speaking speaking
[18:21] [Music]
[18:27] um
what i decided to do
[18:31] is we can't bring everybody to us
we felt we would take the voices of the
[18:36] churches throughout the community so i
spoke to seven churches already about at
[18:41] 11 58 a.m
the pause
[18:45] are
to ring their bell for the chimes
[18:49] letting the world know at this point
will kind of
[18:51] know
that we are all in accord
[18:55] with the freedom of uh slaves etcetera
etcetera and that'll be able to bring
[19:00] the community together also the one
choice they're going to have the next
[19:03] church they're already supposed to pass
the banks and a couple of people in all
[19:06] of that agreement so i think that moment
actually
[19:10] will be the highlight of jimmy
i hope you guys like that yeah what do
[19:15] you think i love it well you have three
bells in
[19:19] crescent city right up town
have they agreed i spoke to uh
[19:26] saint john's uh baptist church
and he's on vacation
[19:31] there's someone there young lady has
been
[19:34] sitting in prison
fastest phone call
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presbyterian church right next to it
[19:57] and the episcopal church i felt i was
going through the fast
[20:01] so did you have a
letter going out and asked
[20:15] [Music]
just before the church starts since the
[20:20] church starts okay i'm sorry i put down
11 58. okay that's the highlight
[20:25] and that will be the church on sunday
we'll continue back into the park we've
[20:28] got several great vendors
um
[20:32] [Music]
as opposed to arts and crafts
[20:37] so what time should they people come to
the park
[20:42] at one o'clock okay i just want to make
sure we get the time right now okay
[20:44] someone earned
um and things of that nature and
[20:48] understanding that but the official uh
event starts
[20:56] yeah
i'm sorry
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i'm sorry i don't know i was just
[21:02] thinking to myself another great thing
that's happened i've been missing not
[21:07] mentioning this because um as mr pickens
mentioned
[21:12] six weeks ago when you do the dedication
ceremony we had to postpone the
[21:17] installation of these programs off the
morning of this time because of the
[21:21] management of a horse
so the time is upon us i'm excited
[21:26] uh i've met with mr pickens myself and
myself
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[21:42] to know exactly where they were
strategically
[21:47] um that's my saturday
june 18
[21:50] at 10 a.m in the morning
okay and that's going to be
[21:54] um
and you told them exactly where they
[21:57] need to where they need to be out right
if they want to go out there for the end
[22:02] they're going to have the insulation and
he's going to have the actual
[22:08] okay there's only one right
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[22:24] we don't live
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[22:40] [Music]
[22:59] the end of the journey
as you know for the past 10 to 11 years
[23:04] we have been celebrating hillary clinton
usually around your teeth
[23:09] and think about the table what they're
doing in the past it was taught by
[23:13] journey
but the journey is coming to an end
[23:17] exactly
and the end of this journey is now we
[23:20] have a beautiful highway son
that speaks for all that we've done for
[23:26] the past 10 to 11 years however
a girlfriend don't want to be done of
[23:31] course we've got starvatron scholarship
program
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[23:49] and the state president miss lovette
um she probably knows samuel also but we
[23:54] can't make it random
forward so not just a name with liberal
[23:59] zionists
he's still having so many people around
[24:03] the world just to make things today so
we want to be an anchor
[24:08] for that by pushing it forward and
inviting our people to our bacterials
[24:12] okay
after the sun
[24:14] ceremony ceremony
[24:27] lunch and we have a jazz band that was
serenading them
[24:37] um
[24:45] that church is using the name church
okay
[24:49] thank you very much
any questions
[24:52] [Music]
thank you good thank you thank you very
[24:55] much
angel something um angel i think it's
[25:00] all very exciting and i just wanted to
let you know
[25:03] on my phone um
i attended the first presbyterian church
[25:07] the little one behind baptist church
we have a bell
[25:11] we get out of church at 10 our church is
early but i have already sent a message
[25:17] to our clerk and our pastor to let them
know that you'll be contacting them
[25:23] because it's extremely exciting yeah
thank you very much those are the bells
[25:28] and the chinese
i received the phone call someone wanted
[25:33] to at least
not just presidency
[25:37] so can you imagine all the kind
of you
[25:40] know
let me ask you how long do you want the
[25:44] belts to rain
[25:49] she has the end of the baptist church
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[25:53] [Laughter]
[25:58] [Music]
[26:09] thank you you take care of yourself we
appreciate you coming
[26:16] okay with that
i mentioned some time ago
[26:20] do you want to go ahead and introduce
[26:28] [Music]
every week she's an interactive resident
[26:32] i'll let her
introduce herself to you
[26:37] good evening my name is mary lou pickles
um as
[26:40] mr rudd said i live in interlaken so i
will be kind of like your local
[26:45] representative for a clarion
i've spent
[26:48] all day here trying to you know
familiarize myself with everything and
[26:54] it's been a long day
but briefly about myself i am retired i
[26:59] was the office director of financial
services at the board of management
[27:04] district st john's in galactica
for over 21 years had different
[27:09] different
job titles but my last one was the
[27:13] director of financial services
previous to that i was the budget
[27:17] director so i have a lot of familiarity
with uh governmental uh budgeting and
[27:22] accounting
and i look forward to
[27:25] working with mr wright and his staff and
helping out
[27:30] thank you
welcome
[27:32] welcome we're excited to have you yes
very excited i know charles is too very
[27:37] excited and we're glad you're so close
[27:43] but it's definitely close i think the
person before was like two and a half
[27:47] three hours yeah
yeah at least an hour is a little doable
[27:51] and we're very very very very
appreciative so thank you okay thank you
[27:57] okay with that i mentioned a couple of
um actually
[28:00] some time ago but as we see
citizens and in the city doing things
[28:06] that out of the ordinary it's just
taking their special time to do
[28:09] something we've gotten
a lot of incredible volunteers um
[28:16] christina
with the partnership i'm just so pleased
[28:20] with the amount of volunteers that show
up week after week after week and the
[28:25] excitement that they have and so we're
forever grateful for them but there was
[28:30] one lady that
stood out for me
[28:35] several months ago
lisa roddenberry and i were
[28:41] over at dexter park i decided that we
needed to paint that wall
[28:46] and you know when you stand there at
dexter park and you look at that wall it
[28:49] doesn't look too big
um
[28:52] that wall is
it's
[28:55] it's a mile long it is a mile long like
we'll
[29:00] knock this out by noon lisa
so lisa and i showed up there paint
[29:04] brushes in hand
and as i looked down i'm like lisa i
[29:08] think we got to clean this thing first
oh and then we gotta sweep it you know
[29:13] so i had a little broom out there and it
was not a good room either it was just a
[29:17] regular grip
well
[29:19] we started on our endeavor and in doing
so
[29:24] this
little lady walked over to us and she
[29:28] said so what are y'all doing today
she said well
[29:32] we're gonna try to paint this wall
and she saw me sweep a little bit
[29:38] and she was out doing her morning walk
so she walks that park every day she
[29:42] loves the sidewalks and um
she she loves to walk that park and
[29:48] next thing i know i set the broom down
and went back to painting and we were
[29:52] talking to her about her her daughter
and and what she's been doing and and
[29:57] next thing i know she picked up that
broom
[30:01] and i tell you she cleaned that wall
and she cleaned that sidewalk so that
[30:08] lisa and i just had to go in and paint
it and that's not an easy task i did it
[30:13] this last week for those
students that were there painting it and
[30:18] i have
even more of an appreciation for her so
[30:22] miss emily if you will step up here we
would like to recognize you today
[30:37] so
[30:57] and it took you quite a while didn't it
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[31:14] lisa and i talked about her all day how
she made our job so much easier
[31:20] and so with that
it is our pleasure to give you a
[31:24] certificate of appreciation the city of
crescent city we award emily williams
[31:29] for her dedication for community spirit
and hard work towards making crescent
[31:35] city
[31:49] watch the wires i know and we have to
watch the wires everybody so as you come
[31:54] around here just be careful please don't
step on the wire
[32:03] and i'll tell you she just didn't
hesitate as a matter of fact she saw
[32:06] somebody walking along and she
encouraged them
[32:11] and they
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[32:27] but i'll tell you what if anybody wants
to see a beautiful yard with flowers and
[32:32] shrubs she does a beautiful job in her
yard so emily we just so appreciate
[32:37] everything you do
today present footy the best
[32:48] 911
[32:56] so thank you you know and she just sets
the examples for others to follow so we
[33:01] thank her for coming out today and um
[33:22] so we'll
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as you'll see on the second page there
[33:50] is
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and the difference between last last
[34:07] month and this month because we had no
crime reported
[34:11] last month and five this month so the
big increase there is just about
[34:16] luckily sitting in digit 9.
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identified and
[34:32] charged mary lane leclair of georgetown
for entering that vehicle
[34:36] uh and that's waiting on the state
attorney's office to uh
[34:40] finish up what they're going to do on
that case so they've had been charged
[34:45] with
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[34:47] the second one was at 223 north summit
street
[34:50] the church full of cover it was a
burglary again
[34:53] thank you for mr benny norris was
arrested with that
[34:57] we've been having a little bit of
trouble with benny norris lake and i've
[34:59] been trying to look out for some other
different resources things
[35:03] as you know taking somebody to jail is
not nearly just a band-aid if it's an
[35:07] issue
then he's got some other issues that
[35:10] some mental health issues that we need
we need to address
[35:14] right now i'm trying to get the state
attorney's office because we've worked
[35:17] another crowd in this month with family
stolen advice
[35:20] but working with the state attorney's
office to try to revoke his bond get him
[35:23] back in jail we had a lot of mental
health services in the jail i think it
[35:27] would be a great benefit i've reached
out to several different resources
[35:32] they don't seem too helpful
or wanting to get involved so i think
[35:37] this is probably going to be my best
course and actually i can think of
[35:40] major scott cersei in jail has
implemented a lot of mental health
[35:43] programs that i think will be
instrumental in his rehabilitation so
[35:48] that's kind of where we are with mr
norris
[35:51] can i interrupt you i was thinking about
him like this today
[35:55] the bicycle he has is that his now
the bicycle he has now is that used the
[36:02] green one uh-huh yes ma'am
[36:06] that's the one he originally
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[36:11] just either had a ride into town and
just steal someone else's bicycle and
[36:14] get back so there's a lot of history
that i have though mr norris i've had
[36:18] many conversations we'll even have many
conversations with the fan and family
[36:22] just trying to find some type of a
recourse i offered services out to them
[36:26] to get them to try to take charge of
this and it's been just a tough battle
[36:30] for me so we were looking outside the
box to try to get them some help
[36:37] did you call it
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but
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[37:02] the next one was a vehicle death at 9 15
cedar street i won't say this
[37:07] individual's name but this individual is
involved in two of the crimes that are
[37:11] here one is uh the 849. the vehicle
that's there is the same one in the
[37:17] vehicle test so gentleman leaves his car
the keys inside of the car unlocked
[37:24] this gentleman found the opportunity he
gets into an altercation
[37:28] here
he goes into palakka
[37:31] ends up trying to come back and
reconcile
[37:34] seeks refuge in a family member's house
they did not want him there so when they
[37:37] got up and seen that he was there he had
a lead
[37:40] uh it's the reason the vehicle virtually
happens a couple of days before when he
[37:44] goes to placa he comes back so now he
doesn't know where to go so he's got to
[37:48] get
the car was stolen from
[37:53] from cedar street and was since
recovered in palatka to one of his
[37:56] knowledge near one of his known
associates house
[38:00] so in my opinion once i get some of the
the
[38:05] evidence off this card that was
collected hopefully it will be able to
[38:09] identify the children
and we will have a 100 percent solid
[38:13] building credits
[38:16] any questions only that's hard
[38:22] i had to go there i had to go
pick that one up
[38:27] yes sir
[38:30] i don't know
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this is one of the locations that we
[38:40] commonly recover stolen vehicles so they
know where to hide these things where
[38:44] they can get back to them
[38:54] does this building need some kind of a
grant for better security because baja
[39:00] taco seems to be an incredibly frequent
market
[39:04] it is and luckily for hot taco they uh i
don't know how they do it but every time
[39:09] someone has been a victim of a crime it
has been solved they have one of the
[39:14] best state-of-the-art camera systems
that i have seen in crescent city
[39:19] um as a matter of fact when this
individual broke into the establishment
[39:24] he actually broke into the bathroom at
first because he didn't know he was
[39:26] breaking
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[39:38] one of the owners or workers of the
business drives up
[39:42] he runs behind the shed around back and
hides
[39:45] she leaves he comes back out and breaks
in the ball on top of the game
[39:51] if you remember in times past this is
three times broken atop all tacos
[39:56] because they were hungry
the church burglaries that we've had
[40:00] what was removed from the church was
food
[40:02] so you know
again i
[40:07] also spent some of my time in the
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[40:21] any other questions
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[40:37] no injury reported
a period of car left the roadway and get
[40:41] a car was trying to make a u-turn in the
grass there and the other part was
[40:44] coming back off the radar street
second one was at summit and lake grove
[40:49] two-bedroom crashed with minor injuries
the car pulled out in front of the
[40:53] motorcycle i was traveling south on
summer street
[40:58] i was 17 at junction road it was raining
really heavy this day
[41:02] and two vehicles were traveling north
into crescent city just before they
[41:06] came up on that the hill there in
crescent city i say city lights but they
[41:10] start a little further south
as they're coming up that hill he
[41:15] notices that there's someone turning on
the junction road wasn't paying
[41:17] attention runs off
[41:23] [Music]
[41:26] and last but not least vernon avenue and
grand rondo single vehicle crash with
[41:31] minor injuries
governor lee elderly lady was traveling
[41:35] uh westbound on camera 308
and where the road takes the return
[41:41] right here at grand rondo
she just kept going straight
[41:45] single vehicle
crashed the next pages here are the
[41:49] general activities the 229 c is uh
general calls for service that's all
[41:54] calls and presidency that's including
the
[41:56] officer initiated as well
traffic stops were a little low so i had
[42:00] a meeting with consultants on this i
want to bring these numbers up
[42:04] so that number i was not happy with but
we should see an increase next month and
[42:08] then
traffic crashes again we have four
[42:11] traffic crashes and the guys checked out
with
[42:20] went up
the traffic stops went down so we should
[42:23] see a little increase i wasn't happy
with
[42:26] that next month
[42:32] [Music]
it looks there's not really any
[42:44] consistency there
it's all up and down as
[42:48] i said before
we have zero affordable crimes in my
[42:52] state of affordable crime reported to
the department of law enforcement
[42:56] after
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[43:00] um
[43:03] [Music]
[43:11] [Music]
[43:17] any questions on those numbers
[43:20] yours says four and the reason why i say
that i'm sorry i stand corrected here
[43:24] the burglary was miscounted
i had to add a burglary there because
[43:27] when i pulled this report it wasn't on
there yet so i had to add one there was
[43:31] actually two burglaries
one vehicle theft
[43:34] two thefts
which was a total of five and you're
[43:37] seeing four there that you have to add
[43:41] [Music]
[43:45] okay
any more questions
[43:49] yeah about a captain about two months
ago or maybe a month
[43:56] um
i was coming back from a coffee break in
[44:00] the morning
and
[44:03] a big dead cow
[44:06] was on the corner of
gran rondo as he getting ready to go
[44:10] around that lake now i don't know how in
the world that big old guy got there
[44:16] but he looked like he was
[44:20] wrapped around the pool
oh let's grab one yeah right there uh
[44:26] call from cobra's paw okay what country
is
[44:31] a cat
a huge cow
[44:44] location
inside the city i don't know what he
[44:48] came out
[45:00] [Music]
you didn't get no information
[45:06] [Music]
[45:16] [Music]
[45:30] social media website you can see
something like that normally because
[45:33] that's
i don't know that i've ever drove up one
[45:35] of the seasons
[Music]
[45:39] when i came back first time when deputy
was there and the next time i've come by
[45:44] deputy where
[45:49] [Laughter]
[45:55] wow
i'll look into that and i'll get you an
[45:57] answer
[46:05] [Music]
[46:10] i've just received some complaints
between fridays and saturdays
[46:16] it doesn't really appear
[Music]
[46:18] that we have
[46:22] deputies around
[46:26] the main complaints uh really they go
down
[46:30] towards magnolia
on the north side and then i think down
[46:34] with orange street
on the south side
[46:38] uh where there's just um
there's a lot of drag racing
[46:43] um like i said
somewhere down i think it's lime street
[46:47] that area
um
[46:50] there's and i was
i'm not sure what they're called but
[46:59] [Music]
and
[47:02] different various people brought this to
my attention
[47:05] you know they've made calls and i was
the person that brought this attention
[47:09] once before as well
um but they're not getting any call back
[47:14] they're not getting um they don't feel
that there's
[47:18] anybody listening to them
and i'm not making excuses but i have
[47:23] had
numerous emails
[47:26] this week instead also
okay and also last week
[47:30] about
non-returning phone calls
[47:33] actually the undersheriff himself called
me about one particular person which is
[47:38] this person who's not one of the
commissioners in the plane
[47:40] and what i found was when i was calling
these these individuals back
[47:45] one actually had me blocked because they
thought i was spamming
[47:48] so we are having a big challenge right
now with all the spam calls and my
[47:53] deputies when they call the number back
they're usually using their personal
[47:56] cell phone number and they're going to
call you from a block number
[47:59] so
that's a that's an issue i'm going to
[48:02] have to figure out i'm getting a lot of
calls about follow us on and this has
[48:06] just started
i've been in this business for 20 years
[48:10] and this is the first time i've had the
influx of
[48:12] i
these people aren't calling me back and
[48:15] my deputies are saying yes i am calling
these people back
[48:18] we use the star 67 so maybe that is
something that is happening they're
[48:22] seeing a strange number because it's not
the sheriff's office number or they're
[48:25] seeing a block number come through and i
know a lot of times when i block a
[48:29] number it literally was i called my two
so i got two cell phones one's my
[48:33] personal and one of my business
if i block my number from one cell phone
[48:37] to the other it will say spam risk
if i block that number
[48:42] so that's one of the challenges that
we're running into
[48:45] so i'm not saying that that's an excuse
but that has been a big problem lately
[48:50] that's a huge problem well maybe maybe
we can try and help
[48:54] help you with that i mean there are
certain numbers that you use to call
[48:58] back with correct if they go back to
the challenge so if they know if the
[49:04] deputy calls back into the dispatch and
gets a patch
[49:07] okay that's very time consuming so
definitely a lot of times we'll just use
[49:10] the star 67 everybody knows that
blockchain number and they will call
[49:14] that person back
that person says family is going to fall
[49:17] for an unknown number
they're most likely not going to answer
[49:21] them most likely they're probably going
to be looking for a sheriff's office one
[49:24] would be calling them back so it's a
it's a challenge i have right now so
[49:28] um
[Music]
[49:36] [Music]
so if i find out they're not
[49:45] then you have an issue but every time
i've had
[49:48] the same thing happen
my deputies
[49:51] give you their phone this is what i
would recall this is the number i called
[49:55] back i don't know why they didn't answer
so i have had one that said i didn't
[50:00] call that the truth was wrong so i just
didn't call them back i didn't think
[50:03] about it i got busy okay trying to do it
again
[50:07] but about
i would say eighty percent of the judges
[50:09] that i have that they are able to show
you on their phones where they tried to
[50:13] call
their friends back and they didn't get
[50:15] an answer back now should they call two
or three times um you know
[50:19] [Music]
it's a challenge for me right now okay
[50:23] so we're working on that
[50:28] a peak hours i guess those would be
what on during the weekend do you
[50:33] consider the peak hours
probably
[50:37] as far as well yeah
i mean do you have a consideration for
[50:43] what we would consider
when we need two officers our two
[50:46] deputies on
um during the week one during the
[50:49] weekend is it
friday night saturday night
[50:56] just just depends it just depends
i mean i'm just i just didn't know if
[51:00] that's something that if if they're not
seeing them
[51:04] um
you know i mean
[51:10] [Music]
[51:20] so i have means where if somebody says
our deputies aren't going to a certain
[51:24] place i can show you
yeah and
[51:28] believe me
that they're out there i mean
[51:31] but for whatever reason
[51:35] especially with no callback i think
i just don't feel that
[51:39] right there
so if you have those individuals
[51:43] you just give me a name and phone number
and enter a quick email or give them to
[51:46] charles and i'll try to figure out
but that is a big challenge for me right
[51:52] now especially because i have so many
people that
[51:55] i'm not trying to put my head up i have
so many people that want to talk to me
[51:59] that it's i've seen how much of a
challenge it is
[52:08] thank you thank you
commissioner
[52:18] um i do have a question to ask you about
people who are on the streets
[52:25] um it seemed like for about the past two
months um everywhere i
[52:30] looked um
my husband i live on south main street
[52:34] right around the lake park and
going up to the post office
[52:39] there's
there's been a very unfortunate
[52:41] gentleman in a wheelchair
living on the street he's been to the
[52:45] hospital they weren't trying to
have a chat with the fire department
[52:49] about this
um there was someone
[52:53] basically
staying full-time in the evo during the
[52:57] day in the lion's
yelling and screaming i wonder if he was
[53:03] the person who broke into the church by
any chance
[53:08] he was very threatening and
i called a number of times
[53:12] and then i've spoken to um
and seen quite a few people who are
[53:19] pretty obviously homeless just in this
central area
[53:23] in the last week
i haven't seen before the person in the
[53:27] wheelchair for all i know is deceased
but the other people that i'm not seeing
[53:32] i'm wondering
um is that because of contact with law
[53:36] enforcement have you all tried to
provide those services or is it just
[53:40] happenstance that i'm not seeing them
now we the german that's in the
[53:44] wheelchair he is
has a very bad medical condition
[53:49] and i have tried my best to get this
gentleman to get received some type of
[53:53] help and he's just not happy
[54:00] is he the gentleman that was over okay
now they did take him because i did talk
[54:04] to and the deputy called took care of
the medic and they did take him to the
[54:09] hospital
and he was they admitted him
[54:12] they didn't admit him and that was a
couple that was last week but this has
[54:16] been multiple times yeah i know he's
gone multiple times but i know he hasn't
[54:19] been back since
right yeah
[54:22] so
[Music]
[54:28] right
family members uh seek a
[54:31] marching band for him he was taken into
custody and transported him over to
[54:36] flagler hospital for mental
for a neural evaluation
[54:39] and i haven't seen him back around so
that may work you may have got hamilton
[54:42] medication dying back in the right track
or
[54:45] seeking some medical nursing
mental health assistance to get in there
[54:51] quite frankly
for about a week or two
[54:55] when i and others would call
we got a lot of pushback
[55:00] from the deputies
i mean they just basically told us
[55:05] don't worry about it you know whatever
and it was pretty obvious to those of us
[55:09] in the area that he had some serious
issues
[55:17] we had no reason to take his
identification
[55:20] [Music]
[55:30] i'm glad it worked out i'm glad to know
that you did take it seriously even
[55:34] though it did not come here but you did
because it was whatever and then there
[55:38] have been some other people who were
very needy and obviously a problem but
[55:43] i have no idea where they've been but
there's just
[55:48] [Music]
good people aren't necessarily hilarious
[56:00] they have problems
sorry anyway just
[56:04] thank you for the information
okay anything else
[56:08] um just i wanted to say i agree there is
a lot of partying and drag racing
[56:15] particularly off of grandmother
sometimes like here at saturday or even
[56:20] sunday night
um i don't always call i don't always
[56:24] have an opportunity to call
um but on i think i said this last week
[56:29] there is there is quite a bit of what
commissioner described
[56:34] that's all i know
and with that i'm going to convince
[56:39] the captain because we've had several
residents that have come in here and
[56:43] that they they've been concerned about
the traffic and the speed
[56:47] um i was i was actually on a mayor's
zoom across the state
[56:52] and that was they said their number one
problem all communities around the state
[56:56] really around the nation right now are
dealing with is speeding
[57:00] um and trying to
find solutions to that another one of
[57:05] course is noise
um but captain when
[57:09] he has gone to numerous homes and he has
sat with people
[57:15] with his radar
[57:18] and um very appreciative that you've
taken that time out of your day just to
[57:23] kind of help them
you know better be
[57:26] able to better gauge actually what's
speeding and what seems like speeding
[57:31] um a lot of these cars are loud and they
sound like it i mean i live on the back
[57:36] side of summit so i hear
you know constantly in my back you know
[57:41] in the backyard and um so does
commissioner burt and she lives right
[57:45] off the summit also and
it's it's you know you but sometimes
[57:49] they're just loud and it just you think
they're speeding and actually they're
[57:53] not that i just want to commend you and
thank you for taking that time
[57:57] and just being respectful of the
concerns that the residents have it
[58:00] means a tremendous amount and we are
trying our best to educate these people
[58:04] with these loud exhausts especially
modified because modified and and stock
[58:09] exhaust are different but as you as
everyone knows these high performance
[58:12] vehicles they're building these days
they come with loud exhausts just like
[58:16] your motorcycle going on the roads that
is from the manufacturing into the
[58:20] manufacturer's specs and when they take
off from these red lights they sound
[58:24] like they are
tearing the roads up but in reality
[58:27] they're doing the speed but it sounds
like a rift
[58:30] uh so it's it's challenging but we're uh
we're working on i promise you that
[58:36] thank you very much we appreciate it any
other questions
[58:41] okay
with that
[58:45] very good
[58:48] okay now we're going to move into public
comments so at this time i'm going to
[58:51] open up public comments if we have any
public comments from
[58:55] the audience um you have three minutes
please come up state your name state
[59:00] your address speak into the mic and
please address the commission and not
[59:04] the audience
[59:07] i know it's hard for me to remember just
to say it
[59:11] my name is rick preiter
436 south prospect street
[59:16] my domicile is right in the middle of
all this stuff you all discuss and i
[59:20] thought it was
to kind of get up here right after what
[59:22] he said
because i had experience
[59:25] last saturday morning at 2 30 where i
did have an officer talk back
[59:31] very professional and
kind of gave me their input on
[59:36] why
we can't seem to get a handle on the
[59:39] noise here in town
i let things go until midnight but i've
[59:45] learned over the last few years in the
20 plus times that
[59:51] my family has called
either the crescent city police or the
[59:56] sheriff's department
to report excessive noise
[1:00:00] if i don't start early
the chances of getting that resolved are
[1:00:05] slimmed and not
so
[1:00:10] the deputy went by
and notify these folks that uh it's too
[1:00:15] loud and this is a situation where
people are
[1:00:18] playing their stereo outside
this noise is not coming from inside
[1:00:25] it's coming from outside of and then
when they decide to get onto their
[1:00:29] public address system
and start screening that just
[1:00:34] intensifies the situation
so
[1:00:38] three times
the deputy went out there to inform
[1:00:42] these folks
that uh
[1:00:46] the music is too loud
i finally passed out from exhaustion at
[1:00:51] like 3 30 or 4 o'clock in the morning
and the music was still going
[1:00:57] now we have an ordinance
[1:01:01] that you know in the time i've been here
i've heard every reason in the world why
[1:01:05] this isn't being forced
but today i can tell you that the
[1:01:10] mechanism to address this
is not it's not there
[1:01:16] and i don't know what it's going to take
to finally get
[1:01:20] you know personalize this video i've got
to do something to move on
[1:01:28] i mean i'm really to the point where i'm
ready to put my house on the market and
[1:01:32] leave here
because this happens i can set my watch
[1:01:36] on when this is
[1:01:46] that i live here and i pay taxes and on
top of those taxes i pay an enhanced the
[1:01:51] law enforcement services and and they're
handcuffed
[1:01:55] around enforcing
and
[1:01:59] being punitive toward people to help
them understand that
[1:02:03] in a civilized society your rights to
play your music so loud do not
[1:02:10] override the rights of somebody else in
the community
[1:02:14] to be able to have peace and quiet in
order to sleep
[1:02:18] thank you thank you
may i make a comment please yes um mr
[1:02:24] banks you'll remember this when we were
working on this uh ordinance
[1:02:29] the problem was we're working with the
sheriff's department and our police
[1:02:33] department
is
[1:02:35] we could not
[1:02:39] measure the decibels
and we could not enforce it do you
[1:02:43] remember that
and i've always found that odd because
[1:02:48] if it's too loud
too loud it's too low
[1:02:52] i agree we should be able to say you
can't do that
[1:02:57] or you have to move to somewhere else or
whatever but it i'll tell you what with
[1:03:02] our lake this little light bag here like
stella particularly
[1:03:06] if it's happening over there i'm hearing
it upstairs in my house because that
[1:03:11] water amplifies it
so it's all over the town and we should
[1:03:18] captain ussr is there any way or any way
to add that to that ordinance
[1:03:25] specific sandwich
i'm going to ask
[1:03:37] and it's
never been able to be
[1:03:42] enforceable because
of that
[1:03:47] measuring decibels and so we do that so
we do have a decimal meter it is
[1:03:53] stationed at the crescent city office
the weekend that this happened it was
[1:03:56] not because i had in my position
going around town and seeing what the
[1:04:00] decimal levels actually sounded like so
we got the deputies when they came out
[1:04:03] and got a general knowledge i could say
okay
[1:04:06] i need to i need the decimal here
instead of coming all the way up here
[1:04:09] and getting here because if they take it
anywhere else because the city is fine
[1:04:13] but if they have to go to east
collectively they're gonna come all the
[1:04:15] way down to crescent city and come back
so they can kind of be a judge before
[1:04:19] coming and getting them either so
secondly speaking on the most limits
[1:04:23] itself we've been spending a pretty good
amount of time having spoken with you
[1:04:27] about it something there um trying to
figure out
[1:04:30] the right process and i don't want to
spill the beans if somebody would like
[1:04:33] to have some private conversations on
this i don't want to spill the means of
[1:04:37] how that that process actually works
right now
[1:04:40] we can't issue citations but we're
working on we're working on the process
[1:04:44] um and i really don't want to go into a
whole lot of meat and potatoes of that
[1:04:49] right now
just because i don't want
[1:04:53] everybody to know kind of the way the
process works right now so
[1:04:56] um once we we're not sure how this is
going to go so once we
[1:05:00] come up with a good plan of enforcement
then we'll um obviously
[1:05:06] obviously it's a problem to us
i've also been in contact with the uh
[1:05:10] the courthouse
where the powers to be to figure out
[1:05:14] who's going to be regulating these
citations and what that process is so
[1:05:18] we're on it i was hoping to have that
earlier by this week it's just
[1:05:21] [Music]
[1:05:35] cite manage whatever you want to call it
privileged sound
[1:05:38] and amplify sounds and presidency
well that's good news because we've been
[1:05:44] battling this for years
and it's just
[1:05:48] and
[Music]
[1:05:55] so
and it's been the same thing yes and
[1:05:59] it's time to get it fixed i think
there's a way around it
[1:06:02] all right excellent question thanks kind
of picking back off uh the commissioner
[1:06:07] westmove you've been having that problem
correction for years
[1:06:11] and we even had the state's attorney
office
[1:06:14] searching for answers and they couldn't
come up with a
[1:06:18] good answer
it looked like the problem is still
[1:06:22] raining
in automobiles or
[1:06:26] where we
kind of judged by the automobile but in
[1:06:30] an individual house
playing live music they couldn't come up
[1:06:35] with the judge the automobile every time
they see the stock come and the police
[1:06:41] car comes they cut it out
right
[1:06:44] time you get back down the road boom
there you go again
[1:06:50] it was kind of hard
but the community just was upset about
[1:06:55] that
and we were trying to do everything
[1:06:59] possible
everything possible to try to get an
[1:07:02] answer for it but we could not get the
law
[1:07:06] a law anywhere that would help us
so i'm not trying to say
[1:07:12] uh we can't do anything about it it's
been something i'm really hoping
[1:07:16] whatever you're working on works i think
it will and like i said we are
[1:07:22] ending our citation
[1:07:25] what happens after that citation is what
we're judged by
[1:07:29] and you are just like i am your people
of accountability
[1:07:33] when we go issue that citation i want to
make sure they're held accountable for
[1:07:36] those actions so that's what i'm working
on it's not just the citation part not
[1:07:40] just
[Music]
[1:07:47] and i i live just right down the road
from this provider and so i know exactly
[1:07:51] which house he's talking about and i get
phone calls from neighbors
[1:07:55] um
i don't wait till midnight i start at 10
[1:07:58] o'clock
you know if i'm going to start making
[1:08:00] phone calls start at 10 o'clock and i
figure after 10 o'clock kind of like you
[1:08:04] shouldn't have that phone call after 9
o'clock
[1:08:07] after 10 o'clock that music should shut
down but um
[1:08:11] you know i spoke to uh
mayor um
[1:08:16] watts
over in malacca and they are currently
[1:08:20] working on their ordinance and
something and that was the big question
[1:08:24] is where do you put you know what kind
of teeth are you putting in this
[1:08:28] ordinance
so that people will understand that they
[1:08:32] just can't do this and get a citation
that this is going to really impact them
[1:08:37] if they continue and so he's he shared
some things with me and i know as we go
[1:08:42] forward and we have kicked this can down
the road quite a bit i know as far as
[1:08:47] i've had the noise ordinance sitting on
my desk
[1:08:50] for some time and so maybe now is the
time that
[1:08:53] that we either workshop it or or we move
forward and figure out some way to do
[1:08:58] this i we had a gentleman that's right
outside in the county and he came in the
[1:09:03] office the other day and just like mr
fighter he is just
[1:09:06] exasperated and he is talking to anybody
he's even talking to mayor what up mayor
[1:09:11] watts i don't know why people aren't
calling him mayor west but mayor watts
[1:09:16] and i said well well lack is a long ways
he's south of presidency that's a long
[1:09:20] ways away because i'm going to talk to
anybody that will help me we've been
[1:09:24] dealing with this
and
[1:09:26] so it's it's all over
and i know the county struggles with it
[1:09:30] as well as far as trying to figure this
out but um thank you for bringing this
[1:09:34] to our attention
once again and um i think
[1:09:39] he's right we need to we need to start
when we think figure this out
[1:09:45] put some teeth in it we need way to be
able to
[1:09:50] give some consequences and so far we
haven't been able to have that because
[1:09:56] uh i know our ordinance is after 11
o'clock is it
[1:10:02] 10 it's supposed to go down or off
but nobody pays any attention to that
[1:10:10] well like i said i can i may uh
if this is obviously i was a little bit
[1:10:16] late today because i was content a
little bit too much today but tomorrow
[1:10:19] we'll be playing again uh most of the
day i will be paying this gentleman this
[1:10:24] residence a visit tomorrow uh there are
no listen the sound already is not the
[1:10:29] only trick we have with our sleeve folks
these people still have to come and go
[1:10:33] from this house and there's some other
things
[1:10:36] some other things that we can do to
deter this type of activity so
[1:10:40] just give us the opportunity let me work
with everybody here to try to come up
[1:10:44] with a uh
a solution to these citations
[1:10:48] and
[1:10:51] thank you thank you thank you
they also kind of four-wheeler at that
[1:10:55] time the other day and
[1:10:59] [Laughter]
[Music]
[1:11:11] yes ma'am go ahead
good evening this is 19th century and uh
[1:11:17] if we don't give up on this problem
uh i had the same problem uh
[1:11:23] at my house and i know exactly the house
that is doing it is i told my husband
[1:11:29] the chef transforms into a big easy and
the speakers are out and
[1:11:35] i told him we need to call early because
last time it was midnight and they were
[1:11:40] still blowing when i cannot sleep and
the noise is inside my room i know it's
[1:11:45] too loud
we cannot give up we have to train them
[1:11:49] like those
that does not allow
[1:11:52] and don't give up sir don't give up i'm
not giving up share it don't give up the
[1:11:57] problem is that we have all these
children
[1:12:02] in the midst of these parties and like
mcdonald's or walmart we are creating
[1:12:08] the next generation that thinks it's
okay to do these things
[1:12:12] so we need to show up
and let them know you're invading my
[1:12:17] privacy you know when your noise is
coming inside my room you violating my
[1:12:23] privacy will i get arrested if i get a
blowborn and just blow it at their ears
[1:12:29] i don't know my husband told me stay
good just go to bed and i'll continue
[1:12:32] with it i am not the same
but don't give up everybody
[1:12:37] let's train them
thank you very much
[1:12:45] well
i've wondered if it's not a commercial
[1:12:48] enterprise that's going on over there
very
[1:12:53] large number of people
[1:12:58] yes
[1:13:02] i was wondering when are we going to
meet our officers
[1:13:06] we're going to have the officers that we
could know
[1:13:10] our colonel
carl wells was here and he
[1:13:14] he did he did
say that we would do that and we were
[1:13:17] looking at doing it in june sometime i
know you've had you've kind of had your
[1:13:21] plateful a little bit and with some of
the switching and the changing that's
[1:13:24] been going on um so he didn't he did say
that we would have an open house when
[1:13:29] you had it all ready to go so
um
[1:13:34] work on that within the date
thank you
[1:13:40] john
5 12
[1:13:42] [Music]
um
[1:13:44] about the noise ordinance i know that um
sometimes with
[1:13:50] certain
activities and events
[1:13:53] uh it can be annoying especially but i'm
hoping that we can have a workshop so we
[1:13:58] can define
um
[1:14:01] times and
the different types of functions
[1:14:06] um that were having so people would know
what but i i know what you're talking
[1:14:12] about with some people
it is just
[1:14:16] just ridiculous
but i think that we should have a
[1:14:19] workshop and talk about it how it's
going
[1:14:23] um to be handled how it's going to be
handled because i don't want to think
[1:14:27] that okay if i'm having a function at my
home
[1:14:32] and i have the music on
and then all of a sudden the police show
[1:14:37] up and
i'm getting a citation
[1:14:40] so i just want to make sure i'm just
playing my music and it's not too loud
[1:14:45] but i just want us to be able to define
that for the residents
[1:14:50] that's fair
excuse me when we were working on this
[1:14:55] uh ordinance
this was something that came up you know
[1:14:59] you're having a party i'm having a party
whatever you're gonna have music that is
[1:15:04] gonna be infringing on your neighbors i
think it's the hour
[1:15:08] anything that goes after 10 o'clock is
really obnoxious
[1:15:13] and that's the big big problem is how
long because these people are going all
[1:15:19] night long
and i do i understand that i i really i
[1:15:24] know what he's talking about right like
everybody else because i live there and
[1:15:28] sometimes my windows the cars pass by
just they just
[1:15:34] they just rattled the window so i do
understand that it is it means
[1:15:40] if you're having a party at your house
and you're having music that's loud
[1:15:45] louder than you would have inside i
don't think that's going to be a problem
[1:15:49] i think we all understand but after nine
o'clock ten o'clock you know that it's
[1:15:55] it's late people go to bed they need
their sleep they get up at five in the
[1:15:59] morning go to work or whatever and
that's not a good thing right and i you
[1:16:04] know but i just don't want nobody to say
well she had a party over there they
[1:16:08] didn't say nothing to her or him and you
know so we can just um
[1:16:13] be able to define
um what
[1:16:16] well that's what i've been talking about
a very difficult time
[1:16:22] putting what is the limit how do we
measure it and then what do we do about
[1:16:26] it that's been the problem from here to
tallahassee right and i and i'm aware
[1:16:30] that also all those years and then to
hear one time
[1:16:36] that there is no noise ordinance and i'm
like what and there it is
[1:16:40] it just doesn't happen
it doesn't have teeth
[1:16:45] but absolutely thank you and we'll make
sure that there is a workshop on this
[1:16:51] okay any other public comment
[1:16:56] and audience i'm going to ask you that
if you have a comment please come
[1:17:00] forward and we're not don't speak out in
in the audience that's just kind of
[1:17:05] um it's hard for us up here but if
you'll do that for your neighbor and but
[1:17:09] if you do have a comment please by all
means come up and and speak now's the
[1:17:13] time
do they have anything else
[1:17:17] everything good
okay
[1:17:19] with that i'm gonna close public comment
and we're gonna open up public hearings
[1:17:26] we've got the second reading of
ordinance 202204
[1:17:31] bobby
there's an ordinance of the city
[1:17:35] commission of syrian presidency would
have amended
[1:17:38] the city of president city's
comprehensive plan to incorporate
[1:17:41] changes
[1:18:07] [Music]
[1:18:16] facilities in agricultural and replacing
the interlanguage map series providing
[1:18:21] for conflict gratification of fire acts
providing for codification
[1:18:27] [Music]
mayor this is the second and final
[1:18:32] reading of the update to our
comprehensive plan uh upon first reading
[1:18:37] for acceptance it was transmitted
[Music]
[1:18:50] with that i'm going to go ahead and i'm
going to open it up for um
[1:18:53] additional factual testimony for or
against if we have any
[1:18:59] seeing none let's open it up for public
comment we have any public comment on
[1:19:03] this is our comp plan amendment
i mean i'm sorry our update anybody have
[1:19:09] um any public comment on this we had a
workshop on it the other day a very good
[1:19:13] workshop very good explanation as to why
we go
[1:19:16] why we have a comp plan and
why we have to do the update every seven
[1:19:22] years
so um it's an evaluation and review
[1:19:26] anybody have
um okay seeing no i'm gonna close public
[1:19:30] comment commissioners i'm bringing it
back to you
[1:19:34] we have a
motion
[1:19:37] to move that we accept
[1:19:41] ordinance 2022-04
[1:19:46] okay we have a motion and we have a
second here and you got the
[1:19:56] commissioner burton
commissioner burton second commissioner
[1:19:59] do we have any um
open this up for any comments or
[1:20:02] discussion do we have any
[1:20:07] if not yes i have a couple of questions
and one for mr pick
[1:20:15] because
[1:20:19] okay
so
[1:20:21] this is a very long document it's 104
pages
[1:20:24] before first reading i went through the
entire thing
[1:20:28] and asked all my questions
um it was sent to the state for review
[1:20:33] um one thing that i noted in our
informational workshop is
[1:20:39] um the future land use map
which does not have a page number
[1:20:44] that's present
[1:20:50] if there's a larger future land use map
that we need
[1:20:56] so my concern is um
so whereas clauses to this ordinance say
[1:21:03] that
um
[1:21:05] this is it
whatever was there in the past this
[1:21:10] replaces it
um
[1:21:12] this is just a completely unreadable map
it's got the date
[1:21:18] and the source on it
well actually this is the map that was
[1:21:22] sent to the state correct and they
reviewed this so they've already sent
[1:21:26] the electronic
[1:21:30] okay so this is the
2021 map
[1:21:35] should have been the december 2021
should have been that one is that what
[1:21:39] it says right so i mean there's a better
copy of this
[1:21:44] there is
an electronic copy it sounds like yeah
[1:21:47] and you had a better copy at the
workshop the other day too you had a
[1:21:50] larger copy you had an enlarged
calculator yes you had that the other
[1:21:54] day
[1:22:05] right that fits in your packets
[1:22:20] and then the other thing is
um pages we got this packet
[1:22:26] last friday with everything else in the
packet
[1:22:29] there's no way to go through here and
make sure that it matches what we sent
[1:22:33] to tallahassee can you represent to me
that this is identical to what we sent
[1:22:38] out
yes
[1:22:40] okay
[1:22:47] okay
commissioner do you have any other
[1:22:49] comments
[1:23:05] uh commissioner devito on the map this
is this is just what we've given the
[1:23:08] city as uh it's a very large document
this is a huge map and i will be sending
[1:23:14] that map that i sent to the state which
was that larger
[1:23:17] version to the state for adoption so
it's not going to be that map that will
[1:23:21] be set
that's good
[1:23:24] thank you
thank you
[1:23:26] thank you
and the one that we had um at the
[1:23:29] workshop the other day was very legible
[1:23:46] so all in favor of this adoption say aye
aye aye
[1:23:51] okay all opposed
motion cares
[1:23:56] i want to go to the second reading of
ordinance 2022 thank you so much and
[1:24:02] thanks for coming over we appreciate all
your hard work thank you
[1:24:06] um the second reading of ordinance
2022-11
[1:24:13] i noticed that in your packet you
received the copy that was your first
[1:24:16] reading did not contain the changes you
approved and we were sending you for
[1:24:20] approval yeah so we'll my request is we
table this up
[1:24:24] while you do that i've got a copy of
that and highlighted the changes
[1:24:28] there were a few changes but there were
changes okay
[1:24:31] thank you okay commissioner can you ask
the table this i need a motion to table
[1:24:34] this please i know that will be table 20
22
[1:24:39] okay until we get a copy with this new
change
[1:24:45] okay we have a motion we have the second
do we have any other discussion
[1:24:51] okay all in favor of tabling this are we
going to table it till the next meeting
[1:24:55] correct until the july to the july
general commission meeting all in favor
[1:25:00] say aye aye
[1:25:04] we're going to get a second reading of
ordinance 2022-12
[1:25:08] in order to the city of fresno city
florida approving an amendment to the
[1:25:12] natural gas fund of the budget for the
fiscal year beginning october 1st 2021
[1:25:17] and ending september 30th
[1:25:20] here this is the second final reading of
the amendment which adds the dot grant
[1:25:25] for the moving of our gas line expansion
of the us 17. okay and that's down like
[1:25:30] that's the one that's down by towards
dunkirk in that area okay thank you
[1:25:35] okay at this time i'm going to open it
up for additional factual testimony
[1:25:47] i'm going to close public comments
commissioners
[1:25:52] we have a motion i believe that we
approve the second reading
[1:25:56] second okay
we have a motion for adoption and a
[1:25:59] second do we have any other discussion
[1:26:04] no discussion all in favor say aye
[Music]
[1:26:13] we're going to move to the first reading
of ordinance 2022-14
[1:26:35] meeting each month is necessary
providing for the procedures to call for
[1:26:39] a second commission meeting
providing for conflicts providing for
[1:26:42] the qualification
and directions to the code qualifier and
[1:26:46] providing an effective fee
mayor this is uh an ordinance that the
[1:26:51] commission voted for us to bring to you
and contemplating a second regularly
[1:26:55] scheduled meeting for the month um
it did pass three to two and i think it
[1:27:00] was i felt like it was shaky three to
two so um there's been a lot of
[1:27:05] discussion the way the ordinance is
actually written i feel like it
[1:27:10] enforces what we already can do just
follow special meetings
[1:27:13] we want a second meeting of the month
so
[1:27:16] i don't think it accomplished what we
potentially want to schedule a regular
[1:27:21] date we'd have two scheduled meetings a
month
[1:27:23] uh but i'm not sure that's actually the
will of commission so um
[1:27:27] don't pass this and i still have the
ability to call a special meeting
[1:27:32] could be a second meeting every month
emergency meeting
[1:27:36] this
this ordinance presented would
[1:27:38] essentially allow you to the mayor to
schedule that second meeting
[1:27:42] if needed
[1:27:46] so we have some so we have some options
that we could
[1:27:49] go with
because we already have that basically
[1:27:54] um
that opportunity to call that special
[1:27:58] meeting should we need it yes okay
i'm gonna open it up right now for
[1:28:04] public for
[1:28:07] for additional factual testimony for
again then i'm
[1:28:11] seeing none of that opening up for
public comment do we have any public
[1:28:14] comment on this as far as that's having
it will be
[1:28:17] on the second thursday and the fourth
thursday
[1:28:21] of every month we would have um
that's where we would have the other
[1:28:26] meeting so do we have any comments
[1:28:33] i answered four chestnut street
i'm afraid if we had a second meeting it
[1:28:38] would just end up being a second
marathon
[1:28:50] thank you very much do we have any other
public comments
[1:28:55] seeing nobody come forward i'm going to
plug
[1:28:58] close the public comment section
um and and that has been discussed thank
[1:29:03] you for sharing that because it would be
so then we would have maybe two wrong
[1:29:07] meetings
um
[1:29:10] i
commissioners do we have a um
[1:29:14] emotion and then we can have some
discussion or do we just want to go
[1:29:18] ahead and have some discussion first
before we
[1:29:21] just have to schedule let's have some
discussion about this
[1:29:25] can i just jump in
it says for a second city commission
[1:29:29] meeting each month as necessary it
doesn't mean we have to schedule it i
[1:29:35] keep thinking we're going to get to the
spot where we've gotten
[1:29:39] so
i think our new manager is just
[1:29:42] fantastic by the way
but he's
[1:29:46] really doing a lot of ketchup all right
i keep thinking we're going to get
[1:29:52] caught up eventually and maybe not need
that second
[1:29:56] meeting what do you think
what do you think i think it'll be a
[1:30:00] while we just added a noise
[1:30:09] [Music]
[1:30:12] um
commissioner banks yeah but we got to
[1:30:15] look at it more than one way too we
gotta look at it
[1:30:18] financially wait uh you know when we
have these we got to have a turning to
[1:30:23] empire
keep things straight
[1:30:26] so
we gotta look at it that way then we
[1:30:29] gotta look at it
see the workers have to come in
[1:30:33] for that time
[1:30:36] it's our time
[1:30:39] so i think we've been
getting the business did maybe we just
[1:30:44] need not to
get on the controversy and stay there
[1:30:49] [Music]
yeah but we get on the conversation if
[1:30:52] you stay there too long
i mean we had that opera we we talked
[1:30:56] about that we did discuss that and
often with robert's rules on each item
[1:31:02] you know you can limit the amount of
time a a commissioner can speak on an
[1:31:06] item
um
[1:31:08] and so we have that opportunity to do
too to do that as well that if we wanted
[1:31:13] to limit it to five minutes why don't we
we've got
[1:31:16] three minutes for the audience do five
minutes for commissioners now
[1:31:21] is that per item or total per item
okay
[1:31:30] of time
okay well i'm just going to say you know
[1:31:34] i mean it's just like tonight um
things like this happen it seems like
[1:31:38] all the time the second reading of the
ordinance of 2022-11 was
[1:31:43] because we
didn't write it up right you know and
[1:31:47] basically
um
[1:31:50] this first reading of ordinance 20 20 to
13 really
[1:31:55] is not written up the way that we had
[Music]
[1:32:03] i guess what i'm going to say is
um we can't get the first meeting right
[1:32:09] so why don't we try to focus on that
first
[1:32:13] you know try and get the first meeting
the tuesday meeting right
[1:32:18] and um and if
what this says if we need another
[1:32:22] meeting that's necessary
we can have a special need we don't
[1:32:26] really need to write it yes we have the
ability we have that ability we have
[1:32:30] that ability now and by doing so that
charles can come to the mayor and the
[1:32:35] mayor can call a special meeting or
three commissioners can request that
[1:32:40] special meeting um it would have to be
the three commissioners so we have that
[1:32:44] ability we do have that ability
currently without having to adopt a new
[1:32:48] ordinance
so
[1:32:51] yes commissioner devito
sure
[1:32:53] [Music]
[1:33:05] i agree that
the way to do this is not just to have
[1:33:08] another meeting
um i put some thoughts on paper that i
[1:33:12] handed out to everyone i gave it to
karen after the record
[1:33:15] um i think mr banks has an excellent
point when he says that there is a
[1:33:21] time and money cost and staff
to holding a second meeting
[1:33:28] we have a small staff
and i think that just putting these
[1:33:33] things to a second meeting would be
digging ourselves another hole i mean
[1:33:37] that's a time maker
um
[1:33:40] what i see is that you know we talked
about this when
[1:33:44] mr rudd first came on board mr red can
do a tremendous amount of work
[1:33:48] and he's a very hard worker
but we talked about um setting some
[1:33:53] priorities
we did a strategic plan
[1:33:57] um
we're a new team here but i think that
[1:34:01] we need to
keep reviewing our strategic plan to
[1:34:05] make sure
that an item that is brought to the
[1:34:08] commission is not advice to do that must
do that it's on the strategic plan
[1:34:13] um make sure that we have all the
information that an item is ready to be
[1:34:18] heard
uh one thing i've asked
[1:34:21] the staff is that
um
[1:34:24] the meetings are where commissioners
have the only opportunity under the
[1:34:28] sunshine law and talk it's very
important that the
[1:34:31] staff whatever staff are involved
whether it's code or the attorney of the
[1:34:35] city manager public works that they get
together and cash out all the details
[1:34:39] before it comes
before us
[1:34:42] and as well there's a couple of other
items in here but i really think that
[1:34:47] if we do
some of these things and try to create
[1:34:51] those
efficiencies that
[1:34:54] we can
save ourselves time into a better job so
[1:34:58] i'm just in agreement with all of you
and um
[1:35:02] i encourage you to look at the list so
thank you
[1:35:06] okay
um
[1:35:08] so we have an option here we can go
ahead and
[1:35:15] [Music]
[1:35:25] and
um i don't want to go to
[1:35:29] a another thursday simply because i
already have
[1:35:33] that would be my third thursday that i'm
tied up because i have one um another
[1:35:38] um that i have to do
so i am i mean i i personally and with
[1:35:43] that but at the same time i'm gonna ask
the commission and as the chair here i'm
[1:35:47] gonna ask you to be accountable
of everybody's time
[1:35:52] and um we recommended the five minutes
um maybe we don't need to do that at
[1:35:58] this time
but
[1:36:01] again as the chair i'm going to ask you
to be accountable and if we're not going
[1:36:05] to be accountable then we will have to
do something from a time standpoint
[1:36:09] because we have audience here too and
they have items that they want to hear
[1:36:13] um that they're interested in and so if
we spend
[1:36:17] so much time like commissioner banks
said
[1:36:20] um
you know they want to get home they want
[1:36:23] to get home too so i just ask y'all that
if this is going to die for lack of
[1:36:28] emotion
um that we'd be cognizant of everyone's
[1:36:32] time and respectful and um okay mayor is
one more thing i would like to say that
[1:36:38] that was the first thing i thought of
when we
[1:36:41] talked about the second meeting
before i ever served on the commission
[1:36:45] there are some people who are regular
attendees here
[1:36:49] i was a very regular attendee and in
addition to our time and you've
[1:36:54] mentioned there are other meetings for
people who want to keep up with what's
[1:36:58] going on in the city
um
[1:37:00] it's very hard on them if they have to
attend tv
[1:37:04] as well as any other board meetings that
they would be interested in so
[1:37:09] it's all of our time
okay thank you commissioners did we have
[1:37:13] a motion
[1:37:16] yes
[Music]
[1:37:26] [Laughter]
okay
[1:37:31] we're going to move on now we're going
to move on to
[1:37:38] first reading of ordinance 2022-14
[1:37:45] to the city of crescent city florida
[Music]
[1:37:51] of crescent city for the property
described as 602
[1:37:54] north summit street crescent city were
also managing the little blue house and
[1:37:58] providing
days
[1:38:01] mayor this is um
last name you approved renewing the
[1:38:05] lease and then we subsequently
discovered that that lease was done by
[1:38:08] ordinance and requires another ordinance
to renew it
[1:38:12] we have written the new language such
that in the future it can be done by
[1:38:15] resolution
but meanwhile we need to do two readings
[1:38:18] of an ordinance to approve release
[1:38:26] there is an error in there we discovered
the address is different on the
[1:38:31] ordinance versus the elise
[1:38:35] yeah one says six or two and one says
604
[1:38:39] but it's a big lot so i don't know
[1:38:52] it's twice
[1:39:06] at this time i'm going to ask if we have
additional factual testimony for against
[1:39:11] seeing them come forward do we have any
public input on this
[1:39:17] humble gift i'm going to close public
input at this time commissioners i'm
[1:39:21] bringing it back to you do we have a
motion
[1:39:23] i said it we have approved ordinance
2024-14
[1:39:28] the little blue house to the women's
board
[1:39:32] i second it
in the second commissioner should we
[1:39:36] have any um further discussion
yeah this ordinance um just kind of
[1:39:41] reading it
said where's the city of crescent city
[1:39:45] city
uh florida has agreed to lease the
[1:39:49] premises
as uh
[1:39:56] [Music]
[1:40:07] it says for the sole
purpose of being able to provide
[1:40:10] property insurance for the structure
that's the location
[1:40:15] and then i guess
agreement on the next page
[1:40:19] uh kind of defines that but it really
doesn't define any ordinance as being
[1:40:25] the
uh
[1:40:28] we see
so it shall be for five years from the
[1:40:32] date
[Music]
[1:40:35] we'll um the building on premises i'm
sure against casualties
[1:40:39] so i haven't just seen kind of a that
state it took that statement
[1:40:44] yeah
so just i just need an explanation
[1:40:49] so this i actually didn't draft this one
this is just a copy of the ordinance
[1:40:53] that was done
prior to but if that's a change that you
[1:40:56] want me to clarify that i mean i
understand is this is this ordinance
[1:41:00] going away
this ordinance
[1:41:10] for the next five years
[1:41:30] more of the least detail in the whereas
qualities i i mean if you don't need
[1:41:35] that i suppose it's all right but
it just seems kind of
[1:41:40] um
[1:41:59] more specifically what we're releasing
[1:42:02] no i just i mean i see the lease
agreement here
[1:42:05] and the lease agreement says i guess
what
[1:42:08] what i think the ordinance should say
and so if you're going to sign the
[1:42:13] ordinance and then sign the lease
agreement right again we'll do what
[1:42:19] i'm suggesting
[1:42:24] we put the five clauses here in the
lease agreement as
[1:42:32] what we have basically is an ordinance
saying that we're going to enter into a
[1:42:35] lease agreement with
the women's club of little blue house
[1:42:39] and then we have the actual lease and so
i guess commissioner burton you're
[1:42:44] asking that everything that's in that
lease those five those five
[1:42:47] [Music]
[1:42:55] of being able um provide
property insurance for the structure at
[1:42:59] the location
[1:43:03] it's
[1:43:05] i guess i guess
i would say i understand
[1:43:10] is
i don't know because i mean obviously i
[1:43:13] wasn't here but i'm assuming what
happened is that's one of the reasons
[1:43:16] that either the women's club wanted the
city to lease it so they would provide
[1:43:21] the insurance for the building because i
know we do things for the insurance i
[1:43:24] think that's where that came from but i
can't clarify that
[1:43:27] it doesn't really kind of clarify but
this does clarify
[1:43:30] so i mean
the actual lease agreement clarified
[1:43:35] we'll have that in place for five years
[1:44:01] i may be forgetting the way things work
i thought that we
[1:44:06] made all the changes on first reading
and that we had to
[1:44:11] pass the identical item on a second
reading that we passed on first
[1:44:17] i'm mistaken about that yes
you make changes when you have to
[1:44:22] advertise and make available to the
public 10 days prior to the adoption of
[1:44:26] the final version of the ordinance so
you have to be on the first reading with
[1:44:31] the changes to be brought
back reading
[1:44:33] but that's what i'm saying don't we
usually
[1:44:36] amend the whatever it is we're passing
on first reading
[1:44:40] we change it yes but this is the first
reading that's what we're doing right
[1:44:44] now okay we're changing making any
changes that we feel need to be
[1:44:48] necessary that's what commissioner
burton was just going through this
[1:44:51] but i'm not talking about what the
commissioner was comments
[1:44:55] i thought i heard bobby or charles say
you would make the change of second
[1:45:00] reading well for to be read in the
second reading
[1:45:04] okay but we're amending it to that yeah
yeah okay and that that wasn't clear
[1:45:09] and then just um
i think uh should we register
[1:45:14] who is an officer where the women's club
spoke to this at our last meeting i
[1:45:20] think it's in a minute
um and
[1:45:24] we were asking what the history of it
was and
[1:45:27] she said
the city actually came to the women's
[1:45:30] club and asked them to take
responsibility for the little blue house
[1:45:34] in terms of the other items in release
you know
[1:45:38] taking care of the day-to-day things
keeping it open as a museum blah blah
[1:45:42] and
[1:45:50] okay
um
[1:45:53] for just for clarification purposes i
know that we've got this date
[1:45:57] but 604 is present the women's club so
the women's club is not actually they're
[1:46:03] located at a different address
than the
[1:46:07] little blue house so
buy-in between crescent city women's
[1:46:11] club 604 north summit street that's in
the actual links agreement so it is 604
[1:46:17] and not
um
[1:46:26] i'm just wondering because the woman's
club that's that's it would be based on
[1:46:31] um
the way the leash reads bobby is buying
[1:46:36] between crescent city women's club 604
north summit street
[1:46:40] um so you would be giving their actual
mailing address
[1:46:45] but the physical address of the little
blue house like
[1:46:50] yeah
so the ordinance does read correct right
[1:46:54] but we're going to have the six issues
okay
[1:46:57] so the ordinance does reach correct at
[1:47:07] so it used to 602.000 be it probably was
at the time
[1:47:12] of course
there's notes that they're
[1:47:14] on the north end of the women's club is
610
[1:47:19] and on the south side center state
[1:47:32] we can leave this the buildings
[1:47:38] [Music]
[1:47:49] meeting just to make sure that we've got
all of our addresses right
[1:47:52] one more little tin tank
on the lease agreement number one or it
[1:47:56] says little blue house okay and then
yeah okay i'm sorry
[1:48:10] um i just always wanted to say i am a
member of the crescent city club okay
[1:48:15] thank you for sharing this you're not an
officer though correct no okay
[1:48:21] okay
we have no more discussion all in favor
[1:48:24] we have a motion and a second all in
favor of approving this on the first
[1:48:28] reading say aye aye
[1:48:41] do you want to add that to your version
who made them who made the actual money
[1:48:46] all right
i knew that uh we accept
[1:48:51] ordinance 22
[1:48:55] or
2022-14 their mural with at least the
[1:48:58] little blue vowel house with the
corrections
[1:49:04] okay all in favor say aye all right
[Music]
[1:49:14] charles we have pooled item
um
[1:49:18] ordinance 2022-15 correct yes we
advertised this on the good note that we
[1:49:23] pulled in and we discovered that the
chain we were attempting to make in our
[1:49:27] election rules is actually in the city
charter so we can't change it we do have
[1:49:31] to pass an ordinance and we want to
change it but then it goes to referendum
[1:49:35] on general the general election so okay
bobby
[1:49:39] if bobby
in just a second and bobby if you want
[1:49:42] to kind of give us an overview for for
anybody i know there's
[1:49:47] so that people you know
and trying to be very transparent with
[1:49:51] this yeah so
how this all came about as i was
[1:49:55] actually sitting here in the large
commission meeting charles overturf
[1:49:59] emailed me
and asked me to interpret the city
[1:50:02] ordinance 14-04
and in that ordinance it sets out the
[1:50:07] time frame for the qualifications of the
offices within the city of crescent city
[1:50:13] and in that ordinance it says that the
qualification period is only
[1:50:18] from noon on the first monday in august
and ending at noon on the following
[1:50:22] friday in the year of qualifying for the
election
[1:50:25] so i told him that i felt like he could
give out
[1:50:28] the information but it could not be
turned in
[1:50:31] only by that one week from noon monday
to the end friday
[1:50:35] then so that's what we we're going to do
we're going to take the front book end
[1:50:39] off where people could qualify for city
elections at any time they wanted to if
[1:50:43] somebody wanted to run
uh for an office that was two years out
[1:50:46] that they would be able to qualify
whenever they wanted to
[1:50:49] so then we started drafting the
awardness to take the front bookend off
[1:50:54] and we discovered that it was in the
charter so we couldn't just do it by
[1:50:57] ordinance then recently
i and i'll preface this way i don't have
[1:51:01] a lot of the election experience or
anything like that i didn't realize that
[1:51:04] there were more documents that you had
to turn in on the state level than just
[1:51:08] what the city asked for so then it was
brought to my attention by
[1:51:13] um commissioner devito that there is a
form
[1:51:17] and correct me if i'm wrong i think it's
dsde9 which allows the candidate
[1:51:23] to open a campaign account appoint a
treasurer spend money and raise money
[1:51:28] um
so then we had a conversation about that
[1:51:32] and i have made a legal
recommendation that our city charter
[1:51:38] does not contemplate the financial
document the des de 9
[1:51:42] so it's my legal opinion that a person
can start raising money as long as they
[1:51:46] turn that into the supervisor of
elections prior to that monday in august
[1:51:51] the only thing that must be turned in in
august is either the 25 petitions that
[1:51:55] you have to get or five percent of the
salary
[1:51:58] um to qualify as well as a i believe
it's a sworn statement of office there's
[1:52:04] three requirements that are laid out in
the charter so one thing that the
[1:52:07] commission is going to have to decide at
some point is if we're going to accept
[1:52:12] that dsve9 as our sworn affidavit of
office or we're going to come up with
[1:52:17] something else but i am of the opinion
which i'll relay to
[1:52:21] um
[1:52:24] supervisor elections mr overture
that as soon as tomorrow people can
[1:52:29] start qualifying as far as the raising
spend the
[1:52:33] money part okay so that's how we ended
up in the situation so we thought there
[1:52:37] was a problem that may not have been a
problem the entire time the only thing i
[1:52:41] do recommend is that i think it should
be clarified uh we should clear up so
[1:52:45] this confusion doesn't happen again
in the future that our charter is only
[1:52:49] contemplating the two requirements
uh that the city requires for you to run
[1:52:54] but nothing we're not restricting
anything that the state requires you to
[1:52:58] use okay so in in talking to
mr overture
[1:53:03] um
the appointment of the campaign
[1:53:05] treasurer
that is that
[1:53:08] dsde9 form that he's referring to and
that's what he was thinking
[1:53:13] that would be the qualifier that would
be the qualifier initially
[1:53:18] um
now in looking at this he's saying that
[1:53:22] the appointment of the campaign treasure
reform and that's what you would do is
[1:53:27] you have to fill that out
you have to turn it into supervisor of
[1:53:32] elections
and then you take it to the bank and
[1:53:36] then you set up your bank account
he will go ahead and he can accept that
[1:53:42] and then he also has the statement of
the candidate and that statement of the
[1:53:46] candidate he can accept that as well and
that's up to 10 days after
[1:53:52] um
you've
[1:53:54] turned in that dsde9 form
so he said he can accept those two
[1:54:00] um prior to
that noonday
[1:54:04] monday
after that then your candidate statement
[1:54:09] and your oath
that's what he would accept in
[1:54:13] august
in the qualifying
[1:54:16] you turn that in you would turn in your
petitions but he said because you
[1:54:21] already have the petitions you can have
those dated prior to that
[1:54:25] you would turn in your form one which is
your financial disclosure statement of
[1:54:30] financial interest
you would have to turn in by state law
[1:54:34] that same week that qualifying week your
one percent fee
[1:54:39] um that the state requires or you're
asking um for a waiver of that financial
[1:54:44] financial hardship waiver and then we
the city have an additional form that we
[1:54:50] fill out and it's the city of crescent
city qualification statement
[1:54:55] and that basically also says who you are
that you're going that you're going to
[1:54:59] the office you're running for and what
you're that you're willing to serve if
[1:55:03] you're elected
so he said
[1:55:06] those he will accept that week
okay but prior to that but you cannot
[1:55:13] raise any money and we have to be clear
about that you cannot raise any money
[1:55:18] until you've
submitted that appointment for a
[1:55:22] campaign treasurer that
dsde9 form
[1:55:26] he did say also that he would come
down
[1:55:29] some people might want to go up to his
office and get these forms but we the
[1:55:34] commission can set a time and date
when he can have a kind of a
[1:55:40] election
101
[1:55:42] and and have these available for
candidates to to pick up at that time to
[1:55:47] go over the documents with them
um
[1:55:51] and
so
[1:55:54] so there we have it that statement of
candidates that's the second form he
[1:55:58] said he would accept and you have to do
that within 10 days after you file the
[1:56:02] first form or at the same time
oftentimes they do it at the same time
[1:56:06] he said that's the one that basically
says you've been given all the rules
[1:56:10] you've been given all the forms you've
been given everything um required for an
[1:56:15] election and you've and um and they have
they haven't filled that
[1:56:19] thank you so much for that
[1:56:22] so well it's well it's we just needed
some clarification and so we're not
[1:56:27] going to have we don't have an ordinance
on it so at that time but we did need
[1:56:31] some clarification
so
[1:56:34] that take care of it for everybody
it doesn't except that
[1:56:38] okay
so
[1:56:41] the last meeting
this was introduced or brought up by you
[1:56:47] i think during the city manager's report
just as a verbal report
[1:56:52] i really wasn't sure what you were
saying and the information passed
[1:56:58] between i guess from
mr overturf to you to the city manager
[1:57:02] to the city attorney everything was done
verbally
[1:57:06] the problem i see with that
is that that information ideally
[1:57:13] if there was a significant problem with
our election or election process
[1:57:18] um
sorry the captain just ran up
[1:57:23] everything's okay but anyway ideally um
these communications would be put down
[1:57:28] in writing and should have been shared
with all the commissioners so that we
[1:57:31] could all know what the problem was
um and i think
[1:57:35] if that had happened we could have
figured this out
[1:57:38] quite a bit sooner but anyway that's
water under the bridge but um i think
[1:57:42] that's really okay
the way it should have happened because
[1:57:45] all commissioners should be able to
inform
[1:57:48] and know what the situation and
putting it in writing prevents those
[1:57:53] miscommunications and misunderstanding
[1:57:58] okay thank you so that item has been
pulled we also have the next one that
[1:58:03] has
pulled
[1:58:05] uh
i guess the next two have been pulled at
[1:58:07] this time mayor 22 16 was pulled uh
cause we have to advertise these so
[1:58:12] early
talk with our planner needs to go to
[1:58:15] planning and zoning for their
recommendation so we'll come back to you
[1:58:18] with their recommendation and 2217
was pulled because um writing studying
[1:58:25] write my cover memo i realized we're
actually creating a new chapter chapter
[1:58:28] 21
for special events and and striking
[1:58:32] certain parts of chapter three we didn't
advertise it that way so we have to make
[1:58:36] sure they advertise
[1:58:40] thank you very much
so now we're going to move on to
[1:58:43] resolution number 2022-01
[1:58:50] there is a resolution of the city
commission of the city of crescent city
[1:58:53] designating the city on the property
beach
[1:58:58] and
the like stella boat ramp this lake
[1:59:01] still apart providing for authorization
providing the third objective
[1:59:06] here this item we talked about actually
several months ago
[1:59:09] to name the area between the program and
the parking lot and extra beach as lake
[1:59:16] style park
[1:59:20] okay
i'm going to open this up for additional
[1:59:23] factions
hopefully
[1:59:27] i don't need to do that i guess
[1:59:35] we have any public input and this is
that area
[1:59:38] um from dexter beach over to the boat
ramp correct and we would just be giving
[1:59:44] it a specific name
[1:59:53] apart does that change
[Music]
[2:00:11] stella park it's actually called that in
our redevelopment plan um so it's just
[2:00:15] uh
we had some events recently
[2:00:20] place over there by the boat ramp
so this way
[2:00:24] okay do we have any other um comments
public comments
[2:00:29] this time i'm gonna close public
comments on this commissioner we have
[2:00:32] our resolution
to name this the lake stella park
[2:00:36] do you have a motion
okay we have a motion do i have a second
[2:00:40] oh second okay we have a motion and a
second
[2:00:44] do we have any discussion yes yes sir go
ahead
[2:00:47] well one of my special needs i i don't
know but chris said i always had a
[2:00:51] problem with pocket
now if we
[2:00:56] classify that as a talk
okay we're going and we do want to have
[2:01:02] a lot of festivities
[2:01:06] we need to make a parking lot uh he's a
bad piece of property jason
[2:01:11] so we can pay vision
and have pockets
[2:01:15] we don't have enough pockets just a
little festivity that we have in now
[2:01:19] is a big problem
uh
[2:01:22] i rise by there and
just uh we're just sad to go
[2:01:28] but the people in the park and don't be
in the room he was all on the grass
[2:01:32] that's right aggressive wouldn't fit in
line all that beauty gonna be gone
[2:01:36] so maybe the city needs to look at
buying
[2:01:39] some property what close by
[2:01:45] for park
america
[2:02:02] if we go ahead and classify that part
it's going to have larger events
[2:02:07] now i'm not saying i'm looking for the
name change it's all right
[2:02:12] but we got to look at it for more than
one way too we gotta look at it
[2:02:16] it's gonna
take care of pockets
[2:02:20] that you don't hold
before the car the motion don't get in
[2:02:24] there
and if people be all in the right
[2:02:27] roadway
when you go
[2:02:31] no
we're old nephew department you really
[2:02:35] don't want you to park there
yeah right
[2:02:40] you know
it's not mo
[2:02:43] i don't really care
but on the south here
[2:02:48] where the biggest people focus their
health
[2:02:51] and sadly it was those the cars on the
grass
[2:02:56] that gonna spawn a beauty
that's all i'm trying to say
[2:03:01] yeah before the name change
is all right
[2:03:05] well we need to concentrate on where can
we get
[2:03:09] the biggest apartment yes sir but it
always always
[2:03:15] been a parking spot probably in
christmas eve
[2:03:25] so well the special events process we're
proposing
[2:03:29] we'll be forced to look at that and tell
the applicant the event
[2:03:32] how are you going to deal with parking
so we'll actually be able to address
[2:03:36] that formally and we can also look at
opportunities
[2:03:40] off-site for working as well
[2:03:44] commissioner
[2:03:47] thank you mayor
um
[2:03:49] well commissioner banks has kind of
raised the issues that i want to
[2:03:54] bring up
um
[2:03:58] this land is actually zoned
current zoning and in the future
[2:04:04] landings now the conservation land
and
[2:04:08] the staff report on this issue
has always said well
[2:04:13] you can
have a park in conservation land
[2:04:17] because
the conservation zoning description
[2:04:22] says that parks are allowed
but i do not feel that that is accurate
[2:04:27] and
i gave you a little
[2:04:30] write up on this
i'm quoting directly from the zoning
[2:04:35] category language
it doesn't just say parks
[2:04:40] the conservation zone says
lands designated as conservation allows
[2:04:46] uses which are consistent with the
primary goal of preserving natural
[2:04:51] habitat
use potential of these areas is limited
[2:04:56] to natural open space
limited
[2:04:59] recreation use and resource protection
within the conservation district the
[2:05:06] following uses shall apply
and it says permitted uses a and b
[2:05:12] and it names
local county or state forest
[2:05:16] parks and preserves
public and private wildlife management
[2:05:20] areas
so it's not just any type of park
[2:05:25] and the dictionary there's a whole
variety of parks you can have an
[2:05:29] industrial park you can have a vault a
ballpark we have a dog park
[2:05:36] the zoning category said
parks that are focused on preservation
[2:05:43] the staff memo for a couple of meetings
has said
[2:05:46] well conservation
zoning is the only category that allows
[2:05:51] a park
and that's apparently not true because
[2:05:54] we have many other parks in the city
and their zoning is either recreation
[2:06:00] or
public buildings
[2:06:04] and views
that are
[2:06:06] it's not the word park that is
controlling
[2:06:10] they're in zoning that deals with the
nature of the activity that occurs there
[2:06:14] like recreation or whatever so here we
have conservation lab
[2:06:19] and
commissioner banks has observed
[2:06:24] that this area is being used for parking
when we had cups kids and kayaks the
[2:06:30] other day it was used for parking
there have been music events there that
[2:06:36] i don't think they really fit into the
actual zoning
[2:06:40] but in addition
the area has been used for parking and
[2:06:43] it's supposed to be conservation
so um
[2:06:48] i
i just i think this is
[2:06:51] leading us a bit in the wrong direction
and i don't know if y'all
[2:06:55] i mean
commissioner burton several months ago
[2:07:00] said that she did not want this to be
conservation land she wanted it to be
[2:07:04] used
and somehow naming this apart
[2:07:10] seems to be a backdoor way to
change the zone somehow
[2:07:16] but
anyway
[2:07:17] i'm i'm just saying we're here let's be
careful here well i'm saying speaking if
[2:07:22] there is an objective i'm not sure
whatever so
[2:07:27] yeah mr burton uses the park but in a
very conservation manner
[2:07:33] um
i also think that it's okay to have a
[2:07:39] nice little music festival i shouldn't
say festival
[2:07:44] uh but a sunset uh
music van there in gazebo
[2:07:50] uh it's actually very delightful
uh commissioner burton also realizes
[2:07:56] that there is a issue there
and we've discussed it
[2:08:00] um
charles and myself and my team on
[2:08:05] how the different ways that we might
correct that
[2:08:09] but we have to be given the opportunity
to put those plans in place
[2:08:13] and hopefully
next year when we come back with our
[2:08:16] sunset and stella
we will have that opportunity to show
[2:08:20] you that we will be parking place
people in the right place
[2:08:25] and and us they will not be on the grass
but we need that opportunity
[2:08:30] to only get better
and hopefully
[2:08:33] um that's that's really what it's all
about so to name it like cell's heart is
[2:08:39] really just to make it a more friendly
kind of name you know just come to
[2:08:43] lifestyle apart
um that's really what it is
[2:08:47] and and
you know we're also looking to put in a
[2:08:51] bird walk
uh through crescent city not only in
[2:08:56] lake stella
that's as far as the conservation i
[2:09:00] think is very important
and saturday i hope that commissioner
[2:09:05] deville will come in learn about that
and how much that they help conservation
[2:09:10] throughout
uh
[2:09:12] a couple different places
so
[2:09:16] you know i'm not sure where she's going
with this i understand what she's saying
[2:09:20] conservation is very important i take it
to heart
[2:09:24] but i also think that you can use
an area and conserve it all at the same
[2:09:30] time
okay
[2:09:33] thank you we have any further discussion
because i'm ready to i'm ready to take
[2:09:36] this to a vote if we have no other
discussion we've kind of
[2:09:39] gone over this and gone over this and
gone over this so okay
[2:09:43] we've never
actually discussed the zoning in detail
[2:09:46] um i got an email today that was
addressed to
[2:09:50] the commissioner commission and
honorable mayor meyers but it only had
[2:09:54] my email on it my city email it was from
um
[2:09:59] i think melissa
uh
[2:10:02] okay did everybody get one of these i
brought copies in case she didn't
[2:10:06] because it's a dress
[2:10:12] it wasn't undressed
[2:10:22] okay
[2:10:31] okay i'm fine i'm good i'm good i just
read it when i gave it to before i gave
[2:10:35] it to commissioner banks i'm sharing
with you
[2:10:38] so she's not here she's got a birthday
party
[2:10:41] um
okay with that
[2:10:45] commissioners do we have any further
discussion
[2:10:48] um
yes
[2:10:50] i do um
melissa
[2:10:54] when we had a workshop or hearing or
whatever it was
[2:10:57] um she had the suggestion at the time
that
[2:11:02] we
if we're gonna name it that we name it
[2:11:05] lake stella conservation area or lake
stella conservation park
[2:11:10] and i think that's a very good idea
because it reflects the actual downing
[2:11:17] so it would be my suggestion that we
take first suggestion okay
[2:11:22] thank you thank you very much um right
now we have a motion and we have a
[2:11:26] second to name this lake stella park
so all in favor say aye aye
[2:11:33] all opposed nay
no
[2:11:36] okay you've
[2:11:41] thank you very much
[2:11:44] let's go to resolution 2022-04
a resolution of the city of crescent
[2:11:49] city florida establishing
[2:11:57] [Music]
[2:12:04] and actually there was a discussion
about hours way back
[2:12:08] what goes on in the park and dusk is not
an impossible
[2:12:12] time to close the park
and then the other issue is that we have
[2:12:16] uh
several parks have lights so we have a
[2:12:19] student have a lighted uh baseball field
a lot of tennis courts and so forth so
[2:12:25] uh we would not be able to use them
after dark even though we have lights so
[2:12:28] our recommendation is that those signs
and the park hours be
[2:12:32] open currently they say closed dust to 6
a.m
[2:12:36] we change to say open 6 a.m to 9 p.m
[2:12:42] this time i'm going to open it up for
any additional factual testimony for
[2:12:46] against
open it up for public comment do we have
[2:12:50] any public comment on this
[2:12:54] please if you come forward state your
name and your address
[2:12:59] this is nike cedar street um
i told you before i walk the trail so i
[2:13:05] take care of the trash at the lake and i
noticed that the sign for dexter park
[2:13:10] was on the floor so i leaned against the
fence and i was gone so i broke somebody
[2:13:15] took care of that sign
and the problem that i'm finding is
[2:13:21] the trash
and i don't know i i know there's a lot
[2:13:24] of parents with kids and stuff i don't
know if we can have something pick up
[2:13:30] your trash after you live live or
something like that because it's getting
[2:13:35] into the water and like if i walk every
day i think there's no problem it goes
[2:13:40] into the trash we have plenty of trash
cans that's not a problem i think the
[2:13:46] parents just need to be responsible for
their islands thank you okay thank you
[2:13:51] very much
we haven't any other i don't think it's
[2:13:55] all kids throwing drugs
[2:14:03] [Music]
[2:14:09] because
i said this i think last month i didn't
[2:14:15] have anything to say about naming the
park
[2:14:17] but that's not what you all talked about
for 10 minutes you talked about
[2:14:20] conservation and use of a piece of land
not about native park i had something to
[2:14:25] say about that
[2:14:29] and i'll just play and say it now maybe
well some of us are worried about
[2:14:35] conservation a little strip of land
you have tilled up all of the soil
[2:14:41] planted the hair grass
[2:14:45] poured a concrete sidewalk
there's nothing to conserve
[2:14:51] the only thing to conserve is in the
lake
[2:14:54] the wetland the grass that's in the lake
and we're not going to be parking or
[2:14:59] doing anything on that
[2:15:03] to say that
[Music]
[2:15:07] only
a park can be an only conservation land
[2:15:10] that's not what was said
what was said was that the only thing
[2:15:14] you can do on conservation land
is have a park it doesn't have to be
[2:15:19] conservation land to be a park
but this congress conservation land
[2:15:25] it can only be a park did i say that
[Music]
[2:15:29] so
um
[2:15:32] and
we're all worried about
[2:15:35] uh
go look at the grass
[2:15:40] we parked there for three or four events
uh in the last month or two and there's
[2:15:44] nothing wrong with the grass we don't
have a parking problem
[2:15:48] for an event that's going to have 20
people at that little gazebo
[2:15:53] yeah the town doesn't have a parking
parking problem
[2:15:58] but again if we could move these the
public comment to a point where we've
[2:16:01] actually got something to say or
let's keep the meeting
[2:16:07] keep the comments on
the motion one point a minute ago we
[2:16:11] talked about how long these meetings go
that's because we talk about everything
[2:16:15] under the sun
during while we're supposed to be
[2:16:18] talking about the motion
so uh that would fix that
[2:16:23] so there's two in one thank you thank
you very much
[2:16:28] okay anybody else any other comments
thank you commissioners
[2:16:34] okay i'm a fisherman i want to get my
boat out five o'clock in the morning but
[2:16:39] i can't take it out in the park until
six
[2:16:42] is that gonna be a problem
well the ramp the ramps
[2:16:48] i don't think this really covers the
ramp there's no hours at the ramp
[2:16:52] you drop your boat park your truck and
go
[2:16:56] so i don't see this company
fishermen sometimes like our crappie
[2:16:59] nights they go in they they'll go
most of the night our person will do the
[2:17:03] same thing to be
misconstrued
[2:17:07] actually occupy the park prior to 6am
[2:17:20] neil nelson sunrise park yes
[2:17:25] the lawyers got
an argument could be made both ways
[2:17:30] okay i didn't even think about that
to use the ramp before system well maybe
[2:17:34] if we just excluding programs
or something like a small change where
[2:17:38] there's no
ambiguity nobody
[2:17:43] what you have what you have over at
marjory neal is um
[2:17:48] you have to have two categories over
there you have those people that are
[2:17:52] coming and going with their boats that
are parking the boats there and then you
[2:17:55] have the people that
visit and sit over in the gazebo
[2:17:59] so we have to figure out how we want to
address
[2:18:02] or if y'all don't think it'd be a
problem
[2:18:06] um i think it'd be no problem in the
past could you add some language to the
[2:18:11] to the resolution can we add resolution
to the
[2:18:15] language to this that said that those
that are
[2:18:19] launching or
what's the correct word for loading
[2:18:24] their boats it's not applicable to them
[2:18:34] because basically you're not going to
see them until they come in
[2:18:51] big park and
i visit other parks
[2:18:55] and i think
that this is going to create some
[2:18:58] problems for us
and i looked at what other parks do
[2:19:04] i have a question for the city manager
because
[2:19:09] um
i'm not understanding why well maybe the
[2:19:13] word dusk is you think it's not legally
enforceable
[2:19:19] the captain captain astrid said dusk is
a matter of opinion
[2:19:23] well interpretation okay we'll just just
wait a minute here because i've looked
[2:19:28] up parks all over the state
in the state of florida all the parks in
[2:19:33] our area duns creek
um
[2:19:38] well stephen foster full cultural park i
think we'll be in the claw creek park
[2:19:43] um
they all close at sundown
[2:19:46] or sunset um
i think
[2:19:53] actually in the traffic statute
um
[2:19:58] you have
they define twilight twilight show me
[2:20:01] the time between sunset and full night
that's when you have to have your lights
[2:20:05] on so
dusk might be uh maybe a little
[2:20:09] difficult
but sunset is
[2:20:13] a legal standard in the florida statutes
and as well sunset times
[2:20:18] are
clearly available on the weather channel
[2:20:21] department of agriculture website so
[2:20:26] what many cities do is
they have and this speaks to boats
[2:20:31] and in addition to the fishing boats i
would say the kayaks
[2:20:36] for specific areas that are lighted i
notice
[2:20:40] [Music]
for example in interlocking their tennis
[2:20:44] courts are open until 9 00 pm
we could
[2:20:50] specifically exempt
launching of boats and kayaks or coming
[2:20:54] in of votes and kayaks
but i think we're going to have a
[2:20:58] problem because
all of our parks are not lighted and
[2:21:01] most of our parks are in residential
areas
[2:21:05] in our parks
so in the winter
[2:21:08] people will be there
for it's going to be dark from six to
[2:21:11] nine
when it's dark
[2:21:14] um
there's all kind of things that go on in
[2:21:18] our parks we've had vandalism
um we have drinking
[2:21:22] in evil lions park there's
empty fists of liquor
[2:21:27] whatever we have people who are homeless
if um we have people playing around
[2:21:32] music the people who live on west grand
london sometimes have a problem with
[2:21:37] people
a local business told me that there's
[2:21:40] different kinds of
[2:21:43] dealing over there
so to me
[2:21:46] um
i think that it should be
[2:21:50] specifically sunset which is a legal
standard um except for the specific park
[2:21:56] areas that are like the tennis court the
alliance okay and the ball field and
[2:22:01] then we can also address
the buttons okay thank you
[2:22:06] commissioner burton
[2:22:11] however okay i'm not sure exactly where
you would post that every day
[2:22:17] so that somebody knows what time you got
to come in or
[2:22:20] what time you
[2:22:24] [Music]
[2:22:28] um
so i just think it would be easier to
[2:22:31] set sometimes some some solid
times to open and close it's just easier
[2:22:38] and you have your winter hours your
summer hours because summer goes longer
[2:22:44] winter shorter
and and
[2:22:47] that's very clear
okay to our sheriff and our
[2:22:52] his deputies
but time to
[2:22:55] close things up and people should be in
there after those certain hours
[2:23:01] that's why i feel about it okay yeah
[2:23:08] hours
use of boat ramps shall be permitted
[2:23:12] i think it would be early enough
it would be firing to 5 a.m
[2:23:19] well it just depends because some of
them are coming in some of them come in
[2:23:22] at one o'clock you've got people out
there shrimping and they'll shrimp all
[2:23:25] you know they'll shrink most of night
so i think at 24 7 i mean 24 hours a day
[2:23:31] you should be able to allow to get your
vote in and out of there and if you get
[2:23:35] what happens if you break down out there
and all of a sudden you're you're being
[2:23:38] towed in and it's two o'clock in the
morning there's a deputy sitting there
[2:23:42] you know
and you
[2:23:44] yeah
here's something else i have a friend
[2:23:48] that her room has a kayak they like to
do a moon might run occasionally
[2:23:55] if the water the weather is pretty it's
gorgeous out but this would restrict
[2:24:00] that too
yeah
[2:24:01] so if we just put something in there
about launching of kayaks
[2:24:06] and kayaks and a recreational you know
24 hours but the rest of it where people
[2:24:12] are sitting around
[2:24:22] [Music]
[2:24:27] is because there's about a two and a
half hour swing
[2:24:31] during the course of the year
and
[2:24:34] sunset is a very definable standard and
i think it's common sense for law
[2:24:41] enforcement
um
[2:24:43] that they're not going to
we don't even arrest people we trespass
[2:24:48] them or ask them to leave
but
[2:24:51] all of our well not all but the majority
of our parks are in residential
[2:24:54] neighborhoods
having people there i mean we want to
[2:24:58] give people full use while it's light
and in lighted areas but having people
[2:25:03] there
while it's
[2:25:05] dark is just
asking
[2:25:08] for trouble it's hard enough we only
have really
[2:25:13] one officer on duty at a time
and
[2:25:17] i just think this is a problem
if we say sunset which the state of
[2:25:22] florida uses and other towns use
[2:25:27] we are supposed to post that
and certainly
[2:25:31] that lets deputies know that when it's
pitch dark the people aren't supposed to
[2:25:34] be there i think in state parks that
i've ever gone to
[2:25:38] you know when it's sun when the sun is
setting that's your time to pack up the
[2:25:42] home
um but certainly when it goes from
[2:25:45] sunset to dark
that is that's a pretty bright line
[2:25:49] and
okay
[2:25:58] [Music]
[2:26:04] that we should accept the specific
lighted areas like the tennis court for
[2:26:09] the ballpark and as well
be launching and
[2:26:14] coming in i don't know what words you
use for that
[2:26:17] for votes and um
boats and kayaks and we want to cover
[2:26:23] okay
[2:26:27] do you have a suggestion i do uh we
don't have a motion yet one thing um
[2:26:31] yeah about the boat raft say something
like i don't know if it's the right term
[2:26:35] launching slash retrieving the
watercraft from boat ramps has committed
[2:26:38] 24 hours per day
but i thought on the other point um if
[2:26:42] we were to say
it's
[2:26:45] it's uh
i think this is not too complicated six
[2:26:49] a.m to nine pm
april through september i was thinking
[2:26:52] at least six a.m to
six pm
[2:26:57] yeah um october to march
or you
[2:27:08] [Music]
well then we're gonna have to change it
[2:27:10] anyway because then we'll be lit up till
nine o'clock anyway so so we'll have to
[2:27:15] this will have to come back to us again
so but i understand what you're saying i
[2:27:19] was thinking the same thing that that
would be a way to alleviate that yes sir
[2:27:23] commissioner banks well let me say that
here we go beating the dead once again
[2:27:27] i don't know
now uh look
[2:27:30] i think a problem is
do we have with the box now
[2:27:36] we
it depends on who you ask they're very
[2:27:40] quiet it's been very quiet
um no not exactly we have people
[2:27:45] sleeping in the parks drinking in the
parks
[2:27:48] driving their cars and the parks after
dark i'm basically speaking about the
[2:27:52] time
[2:27:56] you know you can't control
everything people does in the park
[2:28:01] because you ain't got the number offers
they sit out there and watch
[2:28:06] okay
but what we're trying to do here now
[2:28:08] come up with a time
just to make it enforceable for them
[2:28:15] [Music]
and we're going back to the top and we
[2:28:19] ain't going nowhere well charles has
made a record
[2:28:23] charles has made a recommendation so
commissioners i'm going to ask with his
[2:28:26] recommendation does anybody want to make
a motion to accept his suggestions
[2:28:31] i know that we accept charles new
suggestion for the parks april to
[2:28:36] september and then october
[2:28:42] okay we have a motion we have a second
do we have any further discussion
[2:28:47] all in favor say aye aye
all opposed nay
[2:29:01] [Music]
[2:29:05] okay
[2:29:08] okay
with that we're going to go ahead and
[2:29:11] open up charles i'm going to turn it
over to you with our business items
[2:29:15] well the first item
is
[2:29:20] um present
two thousand enforcement
[2:29:24] cases that are coming to you from
[2:29:43] like
[2:29:51] make your wife
[2:30:02] [Music]
[2:30:30] is
[2:30:44] okay let's go
this was um
[2:30:51] zero seven zero two zero four
the address is 40 east grand london
[2:30:56] violations for chapter chapter 10.
section 10
[2:31:01] 20 23 27 and 28.
this was a property we sent a demand
[2:31:06] letter notifying we were going to go to
foreclosure
[2:31:09] this is a copy of the codes
[2:31:14] first word uh first violation was first
observed in november of 2006
[2:31:21] with a notice of code violation going to
the property owner
[2:31:25] yes three code
the latest was may 24th
[2:31:32] 2022
[2:31:35] fight approved for
5465 days at 25 a day april 10th
[2:31:43] 2007 to march 27th 2022
total flight approved 136
[2:31:50] 625
affidavit compliance was filed march
[2:31:54] 28th
2022 received requests for the reduction
[2:32:01] on april 7th 202.
in february of 2022 the city attorney
[2:32:08] sent a demand letter to foreclose on the
uh quick enforcement lane
[2:32:17] two pictures that i
took one was on march 10
[2:32:22] and once one was may 18th
park the owner has gone in and secured
[2:32:27] the building
[2:32:31] she's here we'd like to speak to her
[2:32:36] staff recommendation was to reduce the
fine to a thousand dollars payable
[2:32:40] within 30 days of today's meeting
the heirs of many families requested
[2:32:46] that finding
the bond be reduced to zero
[2:32:50] and on may 24th 2022 the code
enforcement board recommendation
[2:32:55] is the supply to be reduced to zero
[2:32:59] and uh
ron whoever is here if you'd like to
[2:33:02] speak okay
[2:33:07] um
[2:33:09] it's just been going on for five years
yes okay now hear me out okay
[2:33:16] um first thing that was a lot of years
where
[2:33:26] [Music]
[2:33:33] [Music]
[2:33:41] [Music]
[2:33:55] 15 years to really sit there
in bad shape
[2:34:10] but when is the house really in
compliance
[2:34:14] when
when
[2:34:16] [Music]
[2:34:20] so what's the next step
this case was from 2007
[2:34:26] i
don't have
[2:34:29] very much paperwork on it
[2:34:33] there was another building on this
property that was the original violation
[2:34:36] and not this house
[2:34:41] i believe the
[Music]
[2:34:43] building was taken down
probably years ago and the city didn't
[2:34:48] close the
closed case
[2:34:51] there's nothing in the file that says
they ever made a re-inspection after the
[2:34:55] code enforcement hearings um so i don't
have anything to go on except for i've
[2:35:01] seen myself
this is 15 years later like what's that
[2:35:05] but what is it when was this house built
this house that we're looking at now
[2:35:09] that's not in compliance to
[2:35:20] how long i don't know
i know it wasn't built in 2022
[2:35:32] first we need to establish
um
[2:35:36] miss burton
that
[2:35:38] defines or inaccurate
they were not correct
[2:35:42] um
when we received the letter from their
[2:35:45] attorney
that we didn't even know fines were
[2:35:48] going on the property because what was
asked my father built some buildings was
[2:35:55] building additional apartments and he
never finished him and we were asked to
[2:36:00] tear them down and we complied with what
was asked to do to tear them down
[2:36:06] so
after that
[2:36:10] the only thing
that you could say that we did not do as
[2:36:14] far as is keep up the property but the
timeline of saying that
[2:36:19] um that was not taking care of
everything that we were asked to do
[2:36:23] we it was taken care of barshare was the
code enforcement officer
[2:36:28] another incident that was taking place
is that when the officers
[2:36:32] were after a suspect that
[2:36:37] and we were asked to clean that up
so and that's the that's the next thing
[2:36:43] but what took place
is that these files were never closed
[2:36:47] back
but we took care of when we were asked
[2:36:51] to do something we took care of it
and i i think i understand that i just
[2:36:56] don't understand how city that's us
can keep this thing wrong
[2:37:01] okay and when really um from
2007
[2:37:07] at some point
you know
[2:37:10] you got to step in
i mean what's our what's our procedure
[2:37:14] when do when we go to border here we
aren't we hearing the fine reduction not
[2:37:20] i mean shouldn't this be a different
item on the agenda
[2:37:24] doesn't pass history yeah no yes we are
now
[2:37:31] excuse me sir
i'm gonna ask you to
[2:37:36] go ahead oh no i was just saying
that
[2:37:40] um
i didn't understand what you're saying
[2:37:43] you know it's crazy and but like i said
when i
[2:37:46] i'm concerned about all of
the folks that
[2:37:51] are in our situation that have a fire
going on
[2:37:55] that
did not know what fine was going on
[2:37:59] um and this was prior to her getting
here
[2:38:02] so and that needs to be noted that
these are five this there is a case way
[2:38:08] long before she took this position so
we've had we had um michael was in
[2:38:14] between share
bob share and and pam too so this is
[2:38:18] three code enforcement officers okay yes
and so that's that is why we're asking
[2:38:23] it to be reduced we have requested that
it be reduced to zero because i mean we
[2:38:28] shouldn't be penalized for something
that we did not know that we were
[2:38:32] unaware of okay and pam you haven't been
able to find anything in your file
[2:38:36] showing that it was
the proper documentation is that correct
[2:38:41] no there's no documentation um the only
thing i didn't find
[2:38:45] um
[2:38:47] there was an issue with permits
but i checked with the building
[2:38:51] department and there were not any
permits pulled
[2:38:54] but
like ms glover stated in the code
[2:38:57] enforcement hearing
the city just wanted the building taken
[2:39:01] down so they just did what they had to
do to be in compliance
[2:39:06] the house is there now was not the issue
back in 2007. okay okay correct yeah i'm
[2:39:12] living in that house
yes yes because at that time my
[2:39:16] stepmother was living there and my
father and he passed away the end of
[2:39:20] 2006
and then my niece moved there
[2:39:24] and um and i don't know anything i've
noticed on there about abandoned cars
[2:39:28] we've never had any cars there okay so
[Music]
[2:39:32] yeah
that makes sense
[2:39:34] yeah
[2:39:40] and again that's on us and that's
something else we're going to have to
[2:39:43] deal with we'll deal with that
we don't need to deal with that
[2:39:46] [Music]
a different time right now we've got
[2:39:49] this on in front of us um i do want to
ask you this as far as
[2:39:54] you're not the sole owner of this
correct no so you have you have to
[2:39:58] decisions have to be made with that and
and i mean and we want it's been in our
[2:40:03] family it was my great grandmother's
home and um
[2:40:08] so it's been in our family for a long
time and we're hoping that we can figure
[2:40:12] out to some way to restore the house or
to do
[2:40:16] um something we're you know uh with the
home are just tearing down okay so we're
[2:40:22] we are
we're not just um ignoring it but we
[2:40:26] that's what we're hoping to do okay
thank you commissioner vida you had a
[2:40:30] comment um yes you had a question you
asked it so which is what is the
[2:40:36] relationship of miss glover you're one
of the maddie fabian heirs yes okay
[2:40:40] so
um
[2:40:42] in your materials and i think i remember
this
[2:40:47] i
wasn't there another issue with the
[2:40:50] house or with the property about cleanup
and this is really a question for
[2:40:55] miss taylor
wasn't there a mowing issue were there
[2:41:00] fines that approved in 2019 relating to
the mowings
[2:41:04] in 2019 right miss glover's because i
think i remember it maybe you've been
[2:41:08] coming to the commission i don't know
maybe there's a picture
[2:41:14] well it says in 2019 it was brought that
um there was concern and they requested
[2:41:19] that the property be cleaned up and if
the issue was taken care of right but
[2:41:23] usually i'm just
i'm just curious why i mean it's had
[2:41:28] issues over the years
there's no administrative fee
[2:41:31] um obviously 136 000
[2:41:37] costs in your package
okay the code enforcement board said
[2:41:41] they did not want to oppose the cost
[2:41:49] the administrative costs why did they
choose not to impose the administrative
[2:41:52] costs
when when that's kind of something that
[2:41:55] we've
spoken to them before about they felt
[2:41:59] that it was
a fair thing to do
[2:42:03] okay
okay
[2:42:06] all right and mayor i would just like to
say one thing as far as why custody does
[2:42:10] what it does miss taylor has only been
working here okay we're not you've
[2:42:14] already called pulling moyer on that and
we've decided that we're not going to
[2:42:17] discuss this further until i think
there's no city employee sitting at this
[2:42:22] standing of the podium or sitting at the
table that worked here with any of this
[2:42:25] one right we understand that
thank you
[2:42:29] okay commissioners do we have any other
questions
[2:42:33] i do have one more comment yes when i
bring a case to the code enforcement
[2:42:38] board and then to the commission
the
[2:42:41] request for fine reduction states that
the property has to be in compliance
[2:42:47] this house was not the issue back in
2007 but they had to do something to
[2:42:52] bring it secure
to bring it before you tonight and they
[2:42:57] did that and they didn't do that there's
pictures in your packet that this
[2:43:00] plumber submitted to me
that i i passed along
[2:43:05] okay
okay commissioners so you're saying that
[2:43:09] this house has been incomplete there was
another house that was not there was
[2:43:14] another building so that was the one
that was not in compliance this one's
[2:43:17] been in compliance very long that's what
you're saying
[2:43:20] it's not based on compliance all along
but it's in compliance before i took it
[2:43:24] to the source report
once you were noticed on it
[2:43:29] you brought it into compliance and you
closed it up you shorted out
[2:43:33] and you didn't show it up but you yes
and and like those fines are on
[2:43:39] another building it that
that's running on the um
[2:43:45] the additional buildings that my father
had built that we were
[2:43:49] asked to tear down
oh not anything to do with this house
[2:43:55] okay
[2:43:58] no we don't have a motion yet
you can make a connection
[2:44:02] okay and there's a reason for that um
i would
[2:44:06] well i'm not sure what i should i guess
provided that it remains in compliance
[2:44:12] until the administrative costs are paid
um i would move that we
[2:44:17] take the code board's recommendation to
waive
[2:44:20] the
liens and reduce the lands to zero
[2:44:25] but that the administrative class should
be imposed
[2:44:29] and i say the administrative plus
because
[2:44:33] the house has had to come or the
property has had to come before the code
[2:44:38] of course by board and
the officer has had to take some action
[2:44:42] so i think it's fair
to require payment of the administrative
[2:44:47] fee just because
if there has been
[2:44:50] a certain amount of slippage and
code enforcement has had to take action
[2:44:55] and
but the
[2:44:57] lien or decline
reduced to viewers okay when you with
[2:45:00] your motion i just want to bring to your
attention that's the part of that
[2:45:04] administrative
um include dates back to 06 which was on
[2:45:09] the building that was brought into
compliance that we have negated the um
[2:45:14] finance so you might want to start a
date on those administrative costs
[2:45:19] starting at a certain time specific
date specific
[2:45:23] um and back some of those out from the
06 and we have seven i'm just making
[2:45:28] that bringing that to your attention to
make sure that that's not overlooked
[2:45:32] um
no because i mean that did require i
[2:45:36] mean it did require action by the city
to get something done and it's not a
[2:45:41] huge amount of money and
i i just think that it's a matter of
[2:45:45] fairness
okay
[2:45:48] so pam you're looking at the
administrative costs being 297.89
[2:45:53] correct
and with that we would put a lien if
[2:45:57] that's not paid then we would put a lien
just on the property so at any time in
[2:46:02] the future it was sold then that would
be payable to the
[2:46:05] city is that correct
and it's a very valuable piece of
[2:46:10] coverage
okay commissioners you've um heard
[2:46:14] commissioner devito's
motion
[2:46:18] to
negate the fine however charged the
[2:46:22] administrative fee of 297.89
we have a second
[2:46:27] calculation
so we have a motion
[2:46:31] and we have a second um
any further discussion
[2:46:36] i
[2:46:50] ruling
[2:46:54] [Music]
[2:47:02] it got me
confused by the uh
[2:47:06] you got to look at the people i reckon
they confused
[2:47:09] [Music]
some of the decisions that we make about
[2:47:13] these
properties
[2:47:16] yes we need to come up call
[2:47:28] a piece of property
that probably detects
[2:47:31] the person uh the texan
facility in palakkad having
[2:47:37] uh
property value
[2:47:41] i'm just gonna use
a price now
[2:47:46] uh thousand dollars
[2:47:51] i'm just using that figure
and then we
[2:47:55] go to taxing on taxing on and taxes on
to get a 190 some thousand dollars
[2:48:02] and probably wasn't
[2:48:06] a prime point what i'm trying to point
out around there on florida street
[2:48:11] right by the big county tree in the yard
there
[2:48:19] [Music]
[2:48:23] about
[2:48:27] i think 1500
what you're saying is the fine is way
[2:48:32] over what the value of the property the
value of the profit yeah
[2:48:36] we need to we need to
we need to do we need to work we need to
[2:48:40] work on that yeah we really need to work
[2:48:50] so right now we have a motion
and we have a second
[2:48:54] um all in favor say aye
[2:49:18] is
[2:49:26] thank you and i i do i do want to share
this with you
[2:49:30] that the board
made this determination some time ago
[2:49:34] and i'm disappointed in our code
enforcement board because we have given
[2:49:40] them those
somewhat of some directives that
[2:49:43] administrative costs
are necessary
[2:49:47] and if they are going to reduce those
fines that they do at least leave the
[2:49:51] administrative costs in there because it
does cost the city so it's nothing
[2:49:55] against please no it's nothing against
property owners it's just that that's
[2:50:00] what kind of the direction that the
commission has
[2:50:03] gone has been going actually so i just
wanted to bring that to you
[2:50:09] thank you
do we need a motion to set them every
[2:50:12] day um
you can
[2:50:16] we can we can get a motion set for 30
days i'm sure miss glover's going to
[2:50:20] take care of it
um go ahead if you want to make a motion
[2:50:24] and sex orientation so my second
question is should be
[2:50:29] i guess that the
fine reduction and the requirement to
[2:50:33] pay the administrative costs of 297.89
um that those be paid within 30 days
[2:50:43] we have a motion do we have a second
a second okay motion in a second all in
[2:50:47] favor say aye
[2:50:53] okay
let's go to our next one
[2:50:56] we have another code enforcement lien
reduction request
[2:51:06] next case
[2:51:10] is case number
[2:51:17] zero 12-03-317-0208
eight oh nine random street
[2:51:21] revelations for chapter six
section six point one chapter ten
[2:51:27] dash twenty twenty three twenty four and
twenty seven
[2:51:42] [Music]
[2:51:46] this is
going to the property owner on march 7th
[2:51:49] 2012 and
june 8 2012.
[2:51:55] code board hearings were june 26th
and march 24th 2022
[2:52:04] flying accrued for
3
[2:52:07] 674 days at 25 per day
march 27
[2:52:13] 2012 and april 18th 2022
total fine is 91 850.
[2:52:21] affidavit compliance was 12 on april
19th 2022. i received a request to find
[2:52:27] the introduction
on february 23rd
[2:52:32] 2012.
[2:52:35] two pictures i recently took with the
property on
[2:52:40] april 18th 2022 before mr tangerine off
this property
[2:52:46] uh you couldn't even see the house that
was there
[2:52:55] but he ended um fixing up
his request for introduction and
[2:52:59] vineyard packing
he wants to make this his home
[2:53:03] for his family
[2:53:06] staff recommendation was to reduce the
5000
[2:53:12] mr henry requested that the lead of
ninety one thousand eight hundred fifty
[2:53:17] dollars to be reduced to a thousand
dollars
[2:53:20] on may 24th 2022
enforcement board recommends recommended
[2:53:26] that finally be reduced to a thousand
dollars
[2:53:30] excuse me that does not include the
administrative cost of the
[2:53:34] administrative costs
okay why did
[2:53:38] why did they not take in to consider the
administrative costs
[2:53:45] i don't know um
[2:53:48] here
you come up thank
[2:53:57] you learned a lot but
i hope
[2:54:12] do you have any questions for mr henry
commission
[2:54:15] um i do
um
[2:54:18] hi mr henry thank you so much for being
here coming to crescent city um there's
[2:54:23] a lot of paper in this packet
just did you acquire did you acquire
[2:54:27] this property by purchase or by pickling
deep
[2:54:30] questions
[Music]
[2:54:47] close to 18 000
um
[2:54:50] with my own time to
cut my trees down that property was
[2:54:55] delinquent it sat there for over 20
years without anybody ever cut the grass
[2:55:00] or trees or anything
i think we took probably over 100 trees
[2:55:05] off the property
i mean you know a little treat it was
[2:55:09] just it was just completely it was a
thousand trash that were head high
[2:55:14] but i think i'm familiar with that
because my question was did you have a
[2:55:19] relationship
did you have some kind of relationship
[2:55:23] with the company within armed landslings
oh no ma'am
[2:55:28] the name of the company
the name of the company is um
[2:55:37] i could look on the appraisal site i
don't think
[2:55:40] so it's uh euro atlantic
[2:55:54] did they make you aware when you did
this as a quick claim you probably
[2:55:58] didn't did you go through them
before i ever bought the property i
[2:56:02] actually approached in the pam and i
said man i want to try to make this for
[2:56:07] me and my family
do you think if i could just work real
[2:56:11] hard and get it clean and keep working
on it
[2:56:15] if i could if she said i did it she
thought if i would put a lot of time in
[2:56:19] it and get it in compliance and i'd come
here and
[2:56:23] have a reasonable
reduction i put a thousand dollars
[2:56:28] because i never took the kid took the
city of crescent city you know time to
[2:56:33] put the lanes i just thought if i i
would be willing to pay a thousand
[2:56:37] dollars like that you know i've got a
budget and i've gotten applications here
[2:56:43] for uh building permits to go ahead and
start working on the property
[2:56:47] and i have a budget for me and my family
to uh to improve it and fix it and get
[2:56:53] it back all the way livable
you're going to restore the you're going
[2:56:57] to restore the
house
[2:57:00] okay
and i i have to build one that's here
[2:57:03] i just uh
i don't know if y'all know what i wrote
[2:57:06] on there we do we have it your decision
would make it whether i can do that or
[2:57:12] not okay no commissioner banks had a
comment yeah
[2:57:17] i would like to give him a call because
anybody passed by that house the house
[2:57:23] just got available when he
bought the property
[2:57:32] someone come and drives up in the house
next door out of the very skin somebody
[2:57:37] went in and gutted it out
took all the wiring out of it
[2:57:42] and
if you go by there now
[2:57:44] it is amazing and i see some action
there today i don't know whether you out
[2:58:00] they actually offered to come here and
speak on my behalf tonight but i know i
[2:58:05] didn't really feel like you know i
appreciated it
[2:58:08] i wanted you know i just i just want to
turn it into a nice place to be
[2:58:13] so you intend to live there i do
can i go ahead and just say this
[2:58:19] i loved your letter
it was heartfelt
[2:58:23] and uh
you i went out and looked at the house
[2:58:27] you've done a tremendous amount of work
on that
[2:58:31] and it could be a
nice house for a family you have one
[2:58:35] child
three-year-old yes
[2:58:38] that could be a nice house what i would
like and i'm asking
[2:58:42] let's stop fighting the thousand dollars
let's do the 263 23
[2:58:50] yes i'm just throwing it out before i
make a motion
[2:58:53] because you have a lot of money to go
into that house yet
[2:58:58] and a thousand dollars could probably go
quite a ways to painting
[2:59:03] and whatever but i'm sure you have
plumbing
[2:59:06] wiring
windows everything
[2:59:10] and i would love to have a family in
that house again but wetland was a good
[2:59:15] friend of my mother she was a sweetheart
and i'd like to see the house back again
[2:59:20] not that that's important but okay
here goes the motion
[2:59:25] i move that we will need a thousand
dollar fine and keep the administrative
[2:59:30] fee of 263 23 and that to be paid and is
a month
[2:59:38] okay give you a month 30 days today
okay we have a motion to have a second
[2:59:45] second
okay i have a motion and a second on we
[2:59:49] having a discussion
all in favor say aye aye
[2:59:54] opposed
[3:00:06] welcome to
crescent city
[3:00:08] um and and with any of our
fines we
[3:00:13] just need to be cognizant and that
they're there to get those properties
[3:00:17] brought back into compliance
um but it does have cost involved from
[3:00:21] the staff standpoint so that's why these
administrative costs are so
[3:00:25] you know we just can't
i'm asking you pam to
[3:00:30] reiterate that to your board please
okay i want to say that it admitted me
[3:00:36] my name
[3:00:39] [Laughter]
[3:00:46] [Music]
[3:00:51] we've been working on that property i
mean
[3:00:54] to take the
i have a dump trailer
[3:00:58] and i have a decent truck by the time i
drive here from saint augustine i loaded
[3:01:02] up the dumps almost
i impossibly trips back forward i've
[3:01:07] been spending
120 hours a day in fuel plus i've been
[3:01:11] paying my health
so i've been working on my next thing
[3:01:15] right here i got the application
building permits
[3:01:26] and welcome welcome to crescent city
[3:01:35] okay
all right
[3:01:38] next item there is a first one appearing
can you build a block grant application
[3:01:42] that's the box is here from correct
stations to lead us through that process
[3:01:47] again i apologize
good evening my name is melissa fox i'm
[3:01:51] with fred fox enterprises we're a grant
consulting firm and i'm here tonight to
[3:01:55] advise the commission as well as the
public of the city's opportunity to
[3:01:59] apply for a community blog
the city is eligible to apply for up to
[3:02:04] 650 000
there are three categories in which you
[3:02:09] can apply for funding
the applications are due july 21st
[3:02:14] and you do need to select a um category
you can always select uh you can only
[3:02:19] submit one application at a time the
first is the housing rehabilitation and
[3:02:24] that's where the city would go in and
they would either do uh rehab work or
[3:02:28] demolish the place over occupied low to
moderate income homes
[3:02:32] you have to be under occupied has to be
low moderate income and you have to
[3:02:36] address all code violations so you
couldn't just like with the ship program
[3:02:40] you can go in and you can put a new roof
on but with um cdbg hud requires that
[3:02:46] every code violation be brought up
[3:02:50] with 650 000 believe it or not i would
only get to do about four or five homes
[3:02:55] with that it doesn't go very far the
second is a commercial revitalization
[3:03:00] that's where you during streetscaping
sidewalks pedestrian malls building to
[3:03:04] side work etcetera all in the downtown
commercial area the purpose is to
[3:03:08] revitalize commercial
downtown and to get more people to come
[3:03:12] down now um the city would be the
service area and the city would need to
[3:03:16] be at least 51
low to moderate income
[3:03:20] the third is a neighborhood
revitalization and that's where the city
[3:03:23] would address infrastructure items and
residential areas you could do water
[3:03:26] line replacement sewer line replacement
lift stations sewer lift stations you
[3:03:31] can do parks paving drainage community
centers
[3:03:35] and there again your beneficiaries must
be a minimum of 51 percent low tomorrow
[3:03:39] application threshold so for instance if
you're doing road painting and you're
[3:03:44] doing two blocks those two blocks at
least 51 of the resonance on those two
[3:03:48] blocks would need to be low to water
income
[3:03:52] the fourth category is kind of like a
standalone
[3:03:55] um
once the cycle opens
[3:03:59] you can submit for funding for an
economic development and you submit
[3:04:03] until there's no funding left for that
year in the next fiscal year they'll
[3:04:07] obligate more funds towards that
category um so that one you can submit
[3:04:11] at any time as long as they're spending
the first three are due
[3:04:16] july 21st and you can actually have an
open housing rehab commercial
[3:04:21] revitalization or neighborhood
revitalization and applied for economic
[3:04:25] development finance the only one that
you can actually apply for if you
[3:04:29] haven't heard of the money and that's
where you would provide infrastructure
[3:04:32] on city easement property to facilitate
a new business coming into the city or
[3:04:36] the expansion of an existing business
business must create new long-term jobs
[3:04:41] and be included as a developer if you
have a fish and for this category alone
[3:04:45] you're actually eligible to apply for up
to 1.5 million
[3:04:49] and then so for
every thirty four thousand nine hundred
[3:04:52] ninety nine dollars in another innocence
that's being requested one full-time job
[3:04:57] must be created
when we refer to uh lmi low moderate
[3:05:02] income those are the hud
limits that are set they are updated
[3:05:06] every year so for putnam county just to
give you an example on the bottom for
[3:05:11] our family of four the maximum you could
make is forty eight thousand five fifty
[3:05:15] that low eighty percent
[3:05:21] there are additional points in their
application you're competing with other
[3:05:24] small cities and counties throughout the
state
[3:05:26] um if the city can leverage points
towards the project then you get an
[3:05:31] extra point for every thousand dollars a
maximum of 25 points for 25 points for
[3:05:36] 25 000
the local community can exceed the 25
[3:05:40] 000 you just don't get any extra points
you can also go less than that you can
[3:05:44] commit 10 000 to get 10 points
for neighborhood revitalization and
[3:05:48] commercial revitalization projects
the city submits with their application
[3:05:53] engineers stamp construction plans and
specs and you've shown documentation
[3:05:58] that you apply for all your permits you
get an extra 50 points in your
[3:06:01] application
you can't be reimbursed for shuttle
[3:06:05] ready design calls so anything that you
contract with the engineer for the
[3:06:08] design of that the city would have to
pay full city funds
[3:06:12] even if the application is funded
the steps that are required in the
[3:06:16] application process is to appoint a
citizens advisor task force that has
[3:06:20] been completed the second is to
advertise and hold a catf meeting to
[3:06:24] discuss possible projects the
atm did meet this meeting at 5 00 pm
[3:06:30] and they did recommend that the um
city pursue a neighborhood
[3:06:36] revitalization
for um
[3:06:42] um the third is to advertise and hold a
first public hearing to obtain public
[3:06:46] comments and direction by city
commission to move forward on
[3:06:48] determining a project
that's what we're here for tonight the
[3:06:51] fourth is to advertise and hold a
fair housing workshop that gets you
[3:06:55] extra points in your application i'll be
doing that that's the next fighter
[3:06:59] agenda
and the fifth is to advertise and hold a
[3:07:02] second public hearing to finalize the
application at that point a rough draft
[3:07:06] will be
presented to the mission as well as the
[3:07:09] public we would obtain any public
comment on that we would amend the
[3:07:12] application as you know as needed and
then we would submit the application on
[3:07:17] the city's behalf by july 21st
um
[3:07:28] when i opened it up for public comment
do we have any public comments at this
[3:07:31] time
okay
[3:07:33] okay sure
you know the drill
[3:07:42] [Music]
[3:07:48] yeah this project is installation of a
water main on main street from uh
[3:07:54] central
north to 308
[3:07:58] as well as a generator the lift station
bay lane
[3:08:03] or i think it's an emergency backup
generator which that station currently
[3:08:06] does not have so this project would
combine those two
[3:08:10] projects into one brand application
[3:08:15] yeah so it'd be mainstream
[3:08:22] [Music]
[3:08:29] yes ma'am
this game is 19 cedar street uh i went
[3:08:33] by
palermos today
[3:08:36] the mexican restaurant
and i asked them
[3:08:40] how come i don't see more representation
of the mexican population and the
[3:08:45] meetings
and they said they were here a few times
[3:08:49] and they got they gave up
because what they want is a part for the
[3:08:54] children
i went to domino's pizza
[3:08:58] and there were six
teenagers there and all of them were
[3:09:03] bilingual we have a lot of
mexican residents here and they want to
[3:09:08] be heard he said he has to go to palutka
to have a good part just in case we want
[3:09:14] to have that in consideration these
people are asking for a park
[3:09:18] not a little park next to the dog park
what an actual park okay thank you thank
[3:09:24] you very much
[3:09:26] and we do have mr you know you realize
we do for the children we have harry
[3:09:31] banks part i don't know if you've ever
been to harry banks park but we do have
[3:09:34] hairy things i just told them to come to
the immediacy
[3:09:37] okay thank you thank you
okay do we have any other public comment
[3:09:42] at this time
and then i'm going to close public
[3:09:56] comments so at this time all i need is
just a motion and you know to move
[3:10:02] forward
with either staff recommended project or
[3:10:05] another project okay
commissioners
[3:10:10] we have
[3:10:24] main street quartering and
workstation project
[3:10:29] we have a motion do we have a second
before we open up the discussion
[3:10:34] okay we have a motion in a second do we
have any further discussion
[3:10:39] good night ladies
thank you
[3:10:42] there is nothing more important than
working
[3:10:48] absolutely
[3:10:52] okay so seeing no other
a little commissioner banks have stepped
[3:10:57] away did you want to show us something
charles or so this is for the next for
[3:11:00] the next one okay
um commissioner banks has stepped away
[3:11:04] for just a moment so before we go
[Music]
[3:11:29] and all those bodies out there left so
they're not taking that warmness i know
[3:11:34] actually
[3:11:41] [Music]
[3:11:48] we'll have a better idea when we come
back to the second public hearing as far
[3:11:52] as what we project your score to be okay
um
[3:11:55] the good thing about this cycle is the
state's actually a fiscal year behind
[3:12:00] in awarding funds so what they're
looking to do is they're looking to
[3:12:03] combine both 21 and 22 funding from hud
the allotment they get in so they're
[3:12:09] getting they're going to have over 50
million dollars they typically have
[3:12:13] about 26 27 they're going to have well
over that so they're
[3:12:17] the state's thinking is we're going to
be able to fund pretty far down the list
[3:12:22] this time so
you know
[3:12:24] um but we will have a better idea of
what we think your projected score is
[3:12:28] going to be um
[3:12:35] [Music]
[3:12:38] if you look at our comprehensive plan
we have and
[3:12:43] um city manager kennedy pointed this out
years ago
[3:12:46] we have about four to five times as many
parts as the state standard is apart
[3:12:52] including playground
here's another thing
[3:12:55] um
we have a lot of mexican children
[3:12:59] young people that are meeting on the
tennis courts
[3:13:05] when you when you say that they have
their part we actually are very well
[3:13:10] supplied yeah
okay division commissioner banks is back
[3:13:14] so i'm ready to take this to a vote if
there's no more discussion
[3:13:17] we have a motion and we have a second
all in favor say aye aye
[3:13:22] opposed nay okay
all right the next item on the agenda is
[3:13:27] just the fair housing workshop no action
will need to be taken i just need to go
[3:13:31] over this i'll be happy to answer any
questions okay
[3:13:34] federal current housing act prohibits
discrimination in housing related
[3:13:38] transactions including the sale rentals
discrimination includes refusing to rent
[3:13:43] to someone steering someone away to a
particular type of housing or
[3:13:47] neighborhood enacting zoning measures to
exclude particular groups etc because of
[3:13:52] membership in a protected class the
federally protected classes are race
[3:13:57] color religion national origin sex
familiar status and disability a city or
[3:14:03] a state or you know they can have other
protected classes these are just the
[3:14:07] federally protected classes
what is prohibited no one may take any
[3:14:11] of the following actions based on race
color religion sex disability familiar
[3:14:16] status or national origin refuse to rent
or sell housing refuse to negotiate for
[3:14:21] housing set different terms conditions
or privileges for sale or rental of a
[3:14:25] dwelling
falsely deny that housing is available
[3:14:28] for inspection sale or rental
for-profit persuade or try to persuade
[3:14:33] homeowners to sell or rent dwellings by
suggesting that people of a particular
[3:14:37] race age sex etc have moved before about
to move into the year
[3:14:42] or deny any person access to membership
or participation in any organization
[3:14:47] facility or service related to the sale
or rental of dwellings
[3:14:52] additionally it is unlawful to
discriminate against the person whose
[3:14:55] household includes one or more children
who are under 18 years of age this is
[3:14:59] known as family says
in which
[3:15:02] one or more minor children live with a
parent or legal custodian
[3:15:06] there's additional protection if you
have a disability if you have a physical
[3:15:10] or mental disability including hearing
mobility visual impairments cancer
[3:15:14] chronic mental illness or hiv aids that
substantially limits one or more major
[3:15:18] life activities or are regarded as
having such a disability a housing
[3:15:22] provider may not refuse to let you make
reasonable modifications to your growing
[3:15:26] neighbor expense a landlord may permit
changes only if you agree to restore the
[3:15:30] property to its original conditioning
if you're handicapped and you're in a
[3:15:35] wheelchair you should be allowed to put
in a heating cap ramp you might have to
[3:15:39] remove that and restore that half to its
original condition when you move
[3:15:43] but you should be allowed to make that
or if you're in the building with a no
[3:15:47] pets policy they must allow visual
impaired tenants to die
[3:15:52] what housing is exempt the federal fair
housing act exempts over-occupied
[3:15:56] buildings with no more than four units
and single-family housing sold or rented
[3:16:01] without the use of a broker
so that's if it's a private owner they
[3:16:06] have one house they're renting it out
they are not they are exempt under the
[3:16:09] federal fair housing act
senior housing exemption these are the
[3:16:14] 55 plus communities elderly communities
these exempt some senior housing
[3:16:17] facilities and communities from
liability for community status
[3:16:20] discrimination they have to be provided
under any state or federal program that
[3:16:24] hud is determined to be specifically
designed and operated to assist elderly
[3:16:29] persons and intended for and solely
occupied by persons 55 or 62 years of
[3:16:33] age or older you can't just deem
yourself one you have to actually be
[3:16:37] under a state or federal program that
has determined
[3:16:40] that
has certified
[3:16:42] if you think your rights have been
violated you can contact the following
[3:16:45] the florida commission on human
relations
[3:16:47] the u.s department of housing and urban
development in the southeast regional
[3:16:51] office or the u.s department of housing
and urban development in washington dc
[3:16:57] additionally the city of crescent city
does have a fair housing ordinance which
[3:17:00] outlines steps and time limits in which
complaints must be submitted and
[3:17:04] responses provided
what you will need to provide is your
[3:17:07] name and address the name and address of
the person your complaint is against the
[3:17:11] address or other identification of the
housing involved a short description of
[3:17:15] the alleged violations and the dates of
the alleged violation
[3:17:20] what happens when you file a complaint
the office receiving the complaint will
[3:17:23] notify the person filing the complaint
and the alleged violator of the filing
[3:17:27] and allow the respondent time to submit
a written answer
[3:17:31] to the complaint investigate your
complaint and determine whether there is
[3:17:34] a reasonable cause to believe that the
respondent violated the fair housing act
[3:17:39] notify you and the respondent if hud
cannot complete its investigation within
[3:17:43] 100 days of filing your complaint and
provide reasons for the delay
[3:17:47] now during the time during the complaint
investigation hud is required to offer
[3:17:50] you and the respondent the opportunity
to voluntarily resolve your
[3:17:54] reconciliation
are there any questions
[3:18:01] commissioners do you have any questions
no
[3:18:04] okay
great presentation
[3:18:07] okay all right thank you very much thank
you thank you
[3:18:11] very much
[3:18:18] and i did read the entire house
yeah
[3:18:25] um
[Music]
[3:18:27] she's not the one that you spoke to
about
[3:18:31] about our
excess
[3:18:48] okay any questions for him before
no okay you're good you're good thank
[3:18:54] you very much
okay
[3:18:58] next item is consideration of a poll bar
for public works uh utilizing better
[3:19:03] close bonds this is something i've heard
about since i started here
[3:19:09] i do talk to keith about putting it in
next year's uh budget and he and he
[3:19:13] informed me uh right and so that price
of steel just goes up or not enough so
[3:19:18] what he proposed is that we can we can
actually buy the building
[3:19:23] it's a kit
and it will take about five or six
[3:19:26] months to be delivered
then we'll negotiate
[3:19:29] uh to see what we need he thinks 10 to
15 000 dollars probably to get it built
[3:19:35] the footer's put in and to construct the
building but if we don't buy it now it's
[3:19:39] just going to keep getting more
expensive
[3:19:41] my request is for the cost of the
building out of a better place okay
[3:19:47] so the cost of the building would come
out of a better place and then the labor
[3:19:50] construction would probably be in next
year's budget
[3:19:54] we'll actually put that in a better
place
[3:20:04] [Music]
[3:20:11] [Music]
i believe so yeah um we're still
[3:20:14] actually waiting for the generators
last fall
[3:20:22] okay all in favor say aye
[3:20:30] mayor the next item is discussion um
we've talked off and on throughout the
[3:20:34] year about um
changes and there are changes that would
[3:20:38] require a charter
a change to our charter required
[3:20:42] to go to the voters
we need to get anything we want to do to
[3:20:46] the uh supervisor of elections
by the beginning of august if we want to
[3:20:50] make this um
[3:20:53] election coming in november
so uh i listed on here in a couple of
[3:20:58] some things that we've talked about
administrative supervisor is
[3:21:02] now called city manager that's a that's
an easy one
[3:21:05] um so actually currently i am required
to be the clerk for the city um
[3:21:10] and hired karen hired her as clerk and
then we were informed reminded that
[3:21:15] actually in the charter says the city
manager
[3:21:18] the administrative supervisor shall be
the clerk of the city
[3:21:21] so this would be an opportunity to
actually allow us to hire a clerk
[3:21:25] um
also we talked about
[3:21:28] currently required rehiring appointment
removal of
[3:21:33] department heads that has to come with a
commission so
[3:21:36] it's a hiring decision that so i can't
um
[3:21:39] that was an issue with our finance
director um
[3:21:44] to fire her i would have had to bring it
here at a public forum
[3:21:47] and that would fortunately she resigned
so um
[3:21:51] recommending removing that
and then um
[3:21:57] that wasn't damaged
one of the clarification purposes
[3:22:04] also the thing we discussed earlier
i take the opportunity to clarify that
[3:22:09] you can submit your election materials
prior to that first monday it's just the
[3:22:14] deadline will remain
the friday at noon
[3:22:17] and then currently i'm required anything
over a thousand dollars
[3:22:22] to get your approval and to bid it out
and these days
[3:22:27] everything over a thousand dollars has
really been constrained
[3:22:33] really slows us down you know gotta put
that on an agenda we missed the
[3:22:37] advertise so it's gonna be a month and a
half
[3:22:40] so um this will be an opportunity to
increase that and what i recommend is
[3:22:44] five thousand dollars
[3:22:49] and any other changes you might those
are all the ones we've talked about that
[3:22:53] come up um we would need to do an
ordinance
[3:22:56] first and second reading
before the beginning of august so it
[3:23:00] might require special meeting to get it
accomplished
[3:23:04] in time to turn into the supervisor of
elections to get it on
[3:23:07] okay
[3:23:16] yeah like my comment about
7.08
[3:23:20] the bids contracts and expenditures
um i don't actually remember that many
[3:23:25] items
coming before us
[3:23:30] well if it's an item that um
regular operation you've already
[3:23:34] approved in the budget it's regular
operations
[3:23:37] or an emergency situation um i'm able to
afford those when the lift station
[3:23:42] generators went down i spent a lot of
money on them because they just said it
[3:23:45] was an emergency right so you can't do
that
[3:23:48] yeah um my concern about this is
just
[3:23:54] it's more for
it's more for exceptions and plan things
[3:23:59] um
five thousand dollars is actually it's
[3:24:02] still a lot of money
especially a small town
[3:24:06] and um
we're doing so this would be submitted
[3:24:11] in a single ordinance right
or we could break it up and the fear is
[3:24:16] you know if a voter doesn't like one
thing they vote down all the changes
[3:24:20] oh yeah why not consider multiple uh
boxes on the on
[3:24:26] about this particular item
i think five thousand dollars
[3:24:30] is high
um
[3:24:33] i mean that can easily turn that can
easily turn into
[3:24:37] you know 20 or 25 000
um i think it would be more reasonable
[3:24:42] and probably would appear more
acceptable
[3:24:46] to the public to you know double it from
1000 to 2000
[3:24:50] but because we really haven't heard that
many cases well i don't know that 5 000
[3:24:54] is going to turn into 20 000. if we only
give you 5 000 spending authority
[3:24:59] well i'm saying if
in other words each
[3:25:02] instance
he's just going to go in and buy three
[3:25:06] and five
[3:25:21] at 5 000 you'd like two thousand is that
what you're saying yes okay then that's
[3:25:25] okay
another particular one
[3:25:28] obviously it's not taking the money
that's not the issue
[3:25:34] no but a lot of times things used i i
know i've said over there things you
[3:25:38] know occur and he can't move on because
he does have to
[3:25:42] because he does have to bring them to us
so what's the recommendation that we
[3:25:48] would when would we do these meetings
when we have these meetings we would get
[3:25:53] to bring back an ordinance or ordinances
for these changes um
[3:25:58] for our first and then the second
reading
[3:26:01] so that it was adopted
in time before the beginning of august
[3:26:05] to
give them the supervision elections
[3:26:09] bobby can we bring each one of these um
on the ballot can they each can they be
[3:26:14] all separate do they have to be i think
they should be awesome i think they
[3:26:19] should i was going to make that
recommendation too is that they they'd
[3:26:22] be all separate so we'd have to have an
ordinance for each one or
[3:26:27] i think so
[3:26:30] and there also i have a question about
another provision
[3:26:34] um
the
[3:26:37] change the authorization to hire a court
i'm not that familiar with court
[3:26:42] provisions
in city charters or whatever
[3:26:46] but i know it's considered an office of
a kind
[3:26:50] um i'm not sure the way
this is worded and
[3:26:55] i would turn that over to bobby
this uh
[3:27:00] to me the creation of the position of
clerk
[3:27:05] i think
i'm guessing might need to occur
[3:27:10] um
in an additional spot
[3:27:14] other than just saying to hire a clerk i
don't know i would like to get an answer
[3:27:19] to that
is that sufficient just to say
[3:27:22] to hire a clerk um
should it should it be created
[3:27:27] you know in a section in and of its own
self
[3:27:31] and i don't think that's something that
could necessarily be answered now
[3:27:37] it doesn't need to be
bring the solution
[3:27:44] okay so commissioners um are we or are
we
[3:27:48] ready to do this i just have a question
if you're going to hire a clerk what
[3:27:53] kind of
salary are you thinking
[3:27:57] well uh later in the agenda i'm
requesting to put on uh
[3:28:02] an rfp for our compensation study so
they would
[3:28:05] advise us on what is comparable for a
similar size and
[3:28:14] it would be
basically it would be the position that
[3:28:18] karen where karen says correct yes she
was hired as clear
[3:28:26] [Music]
it's just our charters
[3:28:30] to have a slurk in there to have the
administrative supervisor well we used
[3:28:34] to have a court a million years ago
[3:28:43] [Laughter]
[3:28:50] i mean it may be proper to remove that
responsibility from 3.04 but that's not
[3:28:54] where we would create
the
[3:28:57] the position
so just we would strike it strike gene
[3:29:00] get out of there but we're going to have
to put it maybe
[3:29:05] do we need to establish it in the
charter
[3:29:07] do we even need to have it because like
we don't establish
[3:29:10] i mean that's something to think about
do we have to have it in our charter so
[3:29:14] we have to have the actual clerk and our
charter
[3:29:17] and that's something you know um keep in
mind too bobby that uh lacto right now
[3:29:21] is going through a charter revision
very extensive charter division so and
[3:29:26] they he has a clerk and i think he has
an assistant clerk
[3:29:30] um they're establishing
i'm not sure
[3:29:40] [Music]
yeah i'm just thinking that
[3:29:45] it's a very responsible position it's
the custodian of the public records and
[3:29:51] sealed
and i'm guessing
[3:29:53] that
this person needs to be specifically
[3:29:56] designated i'm just guessing well bobby
if you'll look into that for us
[3:30:03] the only problem is
[3:30:06] there's not enough time
if i come back with an answer at the
[3:30:10] next meeting you need to come back with
ordinances at the next meeting yeah we
[3:30:14] need to have ordinances at the next
meeting so your decision should be in an
[3:30:17] ordinance
[3:30:26] they don't have to be long ordinances
they'll
[3:30:29] yeah very short
but i think that's i think bobby that
[3:30:34] would to me would be because we're
dealing with a time with a time issue
[3:30:39] um
that if we did that at the july meeting
[3:30:42] and then we set the second
a special meeting in july and then we
[3:30:46] could get on to
charles um
[3:30:49] at that time
mr over to the proper language
[3:30:54] what time or what time
what when
[3:31:09] we're gonna have to be
at least 10 days
[3:31:14] 10 days
but you can also go ahead and you can
[3:31:18] can you pre-advertise no you have to
have the fun
[3:31:22] but if we do it on the 14th and you
advertise
[3:31:26] we have to get it to charles at some
point from noon on that monday until
[3:31:32] noon on that friday
that first week of august yes
[3:31:37] so
just to give y'all a couple of extra
[3:31:40] days if we need it so if we if i
advertise it on the 15th we'll send it
[3:31:44] to the page you can have it yeah we can
send it to the paper on the 15th and
[3:31:48] then 10 days later so you can have it on
july 25th
[3:32:03] when's the 15th on friday so it would
run on it
[3:32:09] okay
it would be best if you if you could get
[3:32:12] it on saturday and then we would have to
meet on the 26th of july that's a
[3:32:17] tuesday either that monday or tuesday
the 25th of the 26th probably the 26th
[3:32:21] of july
because of the four mainstream
[3:32:24] conferences okay
[Music]
[3:32:28] so we could put that down against
commissioner
[3:32:31] um
on the second page
[3:32:33] do we really need the change in 6.05
about the qualifying period because
[3:32:40] qualifying is usually
[3:32:43] yes
that's what bobby has they've spoken to
[3:32:47] as far as you can open it up
bobby do you want to and they also need
[3:32:52] some clear we need clarification there
as well right hey i think we at least
[3:32:57] put in there that it does not include
[Music]
[3:33:00] that
you have to have a cutoff date that's
[3:33:04] the one
charles did say that you have to have
[3:33:06] that cutoff date which would be
that august
[3:33:10] um
i mean not that friday at noon
[3:33:14] so you wouldn't have that as a cutoff
day
[3:33:17] like this this is qualifying for the
ballot and
[3:33:20] my understanding is most local
governments have just a set
[3:33:24] time
that you qualify for that
[3:33:28] it's got a beginning
that was not my understanding but we
[3:33:33] were
mr overture told us that we were the
[3:33:36] only ones that had another beginning
black doesn't interfere with it
[3:34:07] [Music]
[3:34:10] i'm still recommending the 5000
[3:34:23] okay
[3:34:29] so let's can we get a motion please
somebody
[3:34:33] please somebody
[3:34:36] if none we'll hand it over to him
commissioner banks i'm gonna make a
[3:34:39] motion get a motion
[Laughter]
[3:35:05] [Music]
[3:35:18] [Music]
[3:35:22] oh
[3:35:29] workshop as well as the budget workshops
and i've sent a poll a list of dates i'm
[3:35:35] recommending 2 o'clock in the afternoon
[3:35:42] [Music]
[3:35:50] well um i did receive a schedule uh come
out from a couple of commissioners it
[3:35:55] looks like the earliest will be july 5th
is everyone available july 5th no i said
[3:36:01] they ended up july 4th
i sent you something that said i am
[3:36:06] [Laughter]
[3:36:18] july 6th is it wednesday yeah 2 o'clock
um
[3:36:23] yes
[3:36:27] what workshop is that it'll be the
general phone
[3:36:29] okay
um
[3:36:35] [Music]
[3:36:39] um it occurred to me when i looked at
the layout
[3:36:42] could we possibly
uh
[3:36:45] do general fund and then do i think you
i'm trying to find my copy of your memo
[3:36:51] could we do the cra and better place
plan with the utility departments
[3:36:58] those adults
those are fairly short sections of the
[3:37:02] budget well the enterprise funds
particularly gas and water we're going
[3:37:06] to talk about rates yeah and whether we
need to increase our rates i think that
[3:37:10] may go on for a while
[3:37:14] but i mean there should that should be a
pretty cut right i mean they should have
[3:37:18] a proposal
i mean
[3:37:20] we did gas rates right
we raised the base rate okay um
[3:37:25] gas prices have gone through the roof
we've already reached
[3:37:32] what we raised was more the
administrative service fees for the
[3:37:35] guests by then we'll have a projection
of how we made out this year i'm
[3:37:38] optimistic
i'm comfortable with how many him having
[3:37:45] [Music]
[3:37:54] um
the seven will be two days in a row if
[3:37:57] you're okay with that
yeah because we have three workshops
[3:38:00] okay it was my understandings
you said that you wanted to get the
[3:38:05] published version of the budget out by
wednesday the 8th
[3:38:11] well that's just the the um
i think you're packing out a week ahead
[3:38:15] of the 14 we have to set the tentative
millage rate on the 14th
[3:38:20] okay so it will be helpful if we would
be helpful if we pack them in
[3:38:24] [Music]
the 7th and 12th
[3:38:28] okay we may make changes you know when
we talk about it on the commission
[3:38:32] meeting but
we're just doing the best we can at two
[3:38:34] o'clock on all of those days into the
seventh or two o'clock from enterprise
[3:38:39] funds and the 12th would be the better
place in cnn okay now we're doing one on
[3:38:44] the six right one on the six six is
general seven
[3:38:48] seventh is enterprise funds
and the twelve
[3:39:15] okay june 15th was not available
correct
[3:39:19] we didn't have all of you on the 15th so
uh oh okay because i said i could do the
[3:39:24] 15th we're done by two but i can't stay
out
[3:39:28] okay but other people are not available
commissioner i know commissioner burton
[3:39:34] you won't be available i would imagine
you won't be able to
[3:39:37] i don't think i will leave
[3:39:49] no i will not be um
over the tree the tree
[3:39:54] workshop
tree plan on the 19th or 20th or 21st
[3:39:58] that'd be another week
no well
[3:40:02] um
so we don't have
[3:40:06] what i don't know what about the are we
going to do it in the evening or can we
[3:40:10] do it during the day
can we not do it on the 14th we have a
[3:40:14] commission meeting that day
just this makes a long day i don't know
[3:40:18] you know what but i mean how long will
that take
[3:40:22] it's like
[3:40:26] the regular meeting is on the 21st of
july if you're going into july the
[3:40:30] regular meetings on the 21st of july at
one o'clock
[3:40:34] okay but wouldn't that be nice to get it
done before the regular meeting on the
[3:40:38] 14th so that if we wanted to pass
something we could do it what about the
[3:40:42] 19th
is available
[3:40:46] but that's not before before
i'm sorry
[3:40:50] and you're going to have to make sure it
works with their schedule too right well
[3:40:53] maybe the 14th we have to advertise it
10 days
[3:40:56] do you think we could get it done do you
think that like if we did it on the 12th
[3:41:00] do you think we could get it i mean how
long do you anticipate that's going to
[3:41:04] take an hour
yeah yeah it's not that long could we
[3:41:08] start it at noon on
on the on the 12th before the budget
[3:41:12] workshop step two and you bring
sandwiches that's up to you all we could
[3:41:17] make a working lunch
yeah yeah i mean
[3:41:22] i'm just trying not to for us to kind of
if we have to cram some of these in we
[3:41:26] got a lot that we have to do
and not have to be here you know
[3:41:30] everybody would have to be here every
single day all right okay we can provide
[3:41:34] lunch on the 12th and then we'll make it
a working lunch with the truth okay
[3:41:39] or bring your own july
[3:41:51] okay
what else do we have charles what other
[3:41:53] dates do we need to go over that's those
are the work zones okay so i think we
[3:41:57] need them also we need to
recommend moving the august commission
[3:42:01] meeting
two days earlier to tuesday the night
[3:42:04] because florida league of cities always
falls on your august meeting
[3:42:08] last year
[3:42:18] [Music]
[3:42:23] do we have a second second
i have here
[3:42:27] yes
[Music]
[3:42:35] i can see that's probably an
interlocking meeting
[3:42:46] yeah yes ma'am
what about my weekend charles
[3:43:05] the first week
uh the two the second fourth august
[3:43:09] second second
the day after the first i won't be home
[3:43:14] that week
okay
[3:43:16] [Music]
[3:43:31] yeah right and even in charge of
handling it don't think people call you
[3:43:36] why don't you just take all these stuff
so you know we i mean honestly does it
[3:43:41] do
do we have that ability to take august
[3:43:44] off
we got a lot going
[3:43:46] on oh dude really charles says no
[3:43:52] i could fill it up but let me say this
we don't have to have
[3:43:57] bobby think about this we've got just
that that's about 11th and 12th we could
[3:44:02] move the commission meeting to the
following week
[3:44:06] that's something to think about do you
have anything on the 16th or the 18th of
[3:44:10] the following week
planning and zoning will be 18. yeah
[3:44:22] we can move it to the 16th
okay so
[3:44:27] two sets of 16.
[3:44:32] [Music]
[3:44:42] right well we're asking about the 16th
planning and zoning is only 18.
[3:44:46] okay we would have our commission
meeting on the 16th
[3:44:50] hi okay so now what about bobby on 16.
no i'm good
[3:44:55] the second tuesday is privacy okay
because tuesday night is dinner night
[3:45:01] too commissioner devito are you
available
[3:45:04] i actually don't know
um
[3:45:07] i did i
i covered the period that your dates
[3:45:11] covered i don't well you'll be coming
out of broward so that
[3:45:16] honestly florida league is through the
13th if you wanted to have it on the
[3:45:20] night
and i'm not trying to be
[3:45:23] their meeting will be done before any
business before
[3:45:27] they're done i've never been there more
than an hour okay so i could be here by
[3:45:31] seven o'clock
most likely if you wanted to have let's
[3:45:34] do that that first hour tonight was all
presentations yeah okay so let's let's
[3:45:39] go back to the night let's go back to
them okay
[3:45:42] do you want to
did she make the motion didn't you make
[3:45:44] the motion commissioner
okay so we've gone around the night
[3:45:48] together
i did make a motion for august night yes
[3:46:02] [Music]
[3:46:06] all in favor say aye hi
okay the ninth has it
[3:46:13] we don't have to date we have to vote on
those special meetings also for the i
[3:46:18] mean for the workshop so we have to vote
on that i think i have a consensus i'll
[3:46:21] be having a schedule
okay
[3:46:26] okay that's 6 7 12.
[3:46:30] yes sir july 6 7 12th of july
[3:46:37] okay
all right so mayor i have one question
[3:46:40] about the budget workshop tim
um charles i had asked you what asked my
[3:46:46] commission
and you i think you said bobby will work
[3:46:50] on this about
replacing the county fire tax that we
[3:46:55] eliminated with the tax of our own
to basically replace those funds
[3:47:02] whether we talked about the fire tax
would we not cover that at one of these
[3:47:07] meetings on the 6th 7th or 12th we'll
talk about the fire department on the
[3:47:11] 6th so that will come up at that time
we'll see how much he's requesting
[3:47:15] and then obviously if we want to fund
that through a fire fee partially
[3:47:20] he's asking for his volunteer incentive
program again and so forth
[3:47:24] i mean we're
perpetually underfunded in the fire
[3:47:27] department i'm just saying i don't
know is there enough time at this point
[3:47:34] um
they'll have to be
[3:47:37] so if you wanna the discussion is let's
let's do our own fire feed and
[3:47:43] bring you
um let's see if that's almost six we'd
[3:47:47] have time to advertise it
as an item on the july
[3:47:51] agenda
i mean that has to be a whole separate
[3:47:54] ordinance i don't know if there's any
extra advertising that you have to do
[3:47:59] it's come but anyway so you're saying
the six that's what we will be talking
[3:48:03] about fire department donald know all
about that they went through that black
[3:48:07] and just before i left they got the fee
okay
[3:48:11] okay do we have to vote on the workshops
we don't have to vote on the workshops
[3:48:14] we've just agreed to i don't think it'll
thank you okay we just agreed to it
[3:48:17] let's move on can we move on to the
authorization for compensation study rfp
[3:48:22] yeah this was uh it's in the budget
amendment mid-year and uh since it's
[3:48:25] over a thousand dollars i need your
approval to put it out to bid
[3:48:31] i assume
[3:48:33] okay we have a motion in a second do we
have any discussion
[3:48:40] all in
[3:48:48] [Music]
[3:49:08] i need to close out though
i need to close that out okay so i'm
[3:49:12] going to close out our general meeting
or for right this moment and i'm going
[3:49:16] to open up the cra
so this item i'm going to stand over
[3:49:20] here
[3:49:22] is
[3:49:36] which would be a month-long
uh series of events the folks that put
[3:49:40] on events could keep their event and
have their logos and do it their way
[3:49:44] uh we sort of have an umbrella event
that first weekend we kick it off we
[3:49:49] turn on the lights
maybe the second week in the partnership
[3:49:52] we do a christmas stroll or a window
decorating contest or something else on
[3:49:56] the third weekend
and we encourage all of our residents to
[3:50:00] light up their homes and light up their
businesses and just make it a big
[3:50:04] celebration and what i want to show you
is kind of
[3:50:07] aspirational video i know this went
outside of this community winter garden
[3:50:12] and this was this would be something
down the road but it's it's very
[3:50:16] aspirational and inspirational
and it does have some of the elements i
[3:50:20] want to talk about lighting up our
minions
[3:50:22] we have had so much positive feedback
[3:50:42] nice
[3:50:48] year i'll ask for a treat
[Music]
[3:50:57] so when it flies look at the green the
green median see the green yeah
[3:51:02] that's what i want to do on us 17 in the
middle
[3:51:27] [Music]
[3:51:59] is
[3:52:03] [Music]
[3:52:13] [Music]
[3:52:25] so that was kind of um
[3:52:50] hardware
on
[3:52:53] 400 green net lights and 400 strands of
100 white lights good idea
[3:52:58] comes in about eight or nine thousand
dollars
[3:53:01] uh what i'm asking for tonight is a kind
of not to exceed twenty thousand dollars
[3:53:06] because what we'll need to do is um
[Music]
[3:53:10] run some figure out electrical for the
park the front half of the park the
[3:53:14] smaller trees are run on the ground on
the web of electrical outlets to each
[3:53:19] tree
uh the
[3:53:21] lift rental and so forth so these costs
will come in
[3:53:25] much less than that but i don't want to
keep coming back and hold off until i
[3:53:29] come get approval
you can see
[3:53:32] this the first column is what the
adopted budget is
[3:53:35] of all of our sort of programming um
the improvements we have 100 000 we have
[3:53:40] 86 000 left
the grant shows we have 78 000 we've
[3:53:45] actually committed
um probably half of that so my intention
[3:53:50] would be to move money from improvements
down to um you see we've got a little
[3:53:54] bit over on our festivals and special
events
[3:53:57] to
move that money down to that part so we
[3:54:00] can buy the lights and
do this and this is really a multi-year
[3:54:05] investment because we'll save all this
stuff this material
[3:54:08] and squirrel away for next year and i'll
come back to you for a treat i'm going
[3:54:12] in here uh we'll have a tree and every
year we'll add something more we'll just
[3:54:16] keep growing this thing taking care of
what we buy
[3:54:19] um so that we can eventually have this
huge to me a christmas celebration the
[3:54:23] lights is such an easy easy tangible um
wonderful thing it's like fireworks
[3:54:30] those two things people just come out
from fireworks and christmas lights
[3:54:35] and then we just encourage our residents
we can even create a
[3:54:40] residential award for somebody just goes
crazy in their yard a commercial award
[3:54:45] and just really encourage um and so we
need to start all this now
[3:54:50] uh because i've got to order the
everything in advance and i got to
[3:54:53] design the electrical system
so you need a motion for us to prove for
[3:54:57] you up to twenty thousand dollars yes i
would like a budget for this project uh
[3:55:02] not to exceed twenty thousand dollars to
come back to you obviously
[3:55:06] so
we have a motion second and a second do
[3:55:10] we have any discussion
um
[3:55:13] yes yeah i just wanted to share um
this is a lot and
[3:55:18] just based on
um
[3:55:21] what i've seen with the improvement on
central avenue even we had the grant
[3:55:25] program
and we worked on two buildings there and
[3:55:29] it's made a big difference
we don't have that big of a cra budget
[3:55:34] we have other historic buildings right
on central avenue that are crumbling
[3:55:39] we've got the blue moon lodge that needs
the roof and quite frankly
[3:55:43] those two african-american churches
need some serious help soon
[3:55:53] to me there would be more lasting and
there's a much greater need i mean we
[3:55:58] can have lights
but
[3:56:00] if our buildings are crumbling
um
[3:56:04] i would rather see us
use those funds on the buildings and as
[3:56:08] well
part of our cra plan is ecotourism
[3:56:14] and i hate to say this but
lighting is one of the recommendations
[3:56:20] actually i was reading on the back
conservancy today because we don't plan
[3:56:24] to go on saturday
um
[3:56:28] fpl and everyone else are trying to
reduce the amount of lighting we're not
[3:56:34] an urban area
we're
[3:56:38] we're an area that's talking about
ecotourism we're very very small
[3:56:42] um
that degree of light is not necessarily
[3:56:47] on the medians but lighting up the park
which is a residential area
[3:56:52] um
cuts the other way for ecotourism
[3:56:56] so i'm i just i think this needs a
little more
[3:57:02] massaging about how we would do it
and i hate to spend money on lights on
[3:57:07] 17
when our building infrastructure
[3:57:12] is
really needing help
[3:57:15] well i i feel i understand what you're
saying i feel after these we finish our
[3:57:19] current grants open grants and this
expenditure if i were to spend it all we
[3:57:23] still have 100 000
for programming and then next year we
[3:57:28] get
kind of replenished
[3:57:31] in all three cra so um i feel that it's
a good investment and i don't think i'll
[3:57:36] spend all that money but i think it's
um it'll just keep us moving forward
[3:57:41] and then
we still have money for the grads can i
[3:57:44] ask you a question or this year
yes yeah can i ask you a question yes
[3:57:49] can we take it out a better place can we
take the 20 000 a better place
[3:57:58] let's look at better clubs
we still have funds in better place we
[3:58:02] have quite a bit of funds in better
place and
[3:58:05] oh yeah we have almost three hundred
thousand dollars
[3:58:08] so if she's concerned about that with
the cra um
[3:58:12] do you
is that something that we could do is do
[3:58:15] this on this out of a better place
i think it could if it's not a disposal
[3:58:22] do you have a concern with that when you
say disposable kind of disposables well
[3:58:27] we're not going to throw them away at
the end anymore
[3:58:31] so yeah it would be an installation i
mean in the city it would be i mean it
[3:58:35] would be an insulation here in the city
i'm just i'm just throwing that out
[3:58:40] there
but
[3:58:44] um but right now we have a motion
and i have a second to come out of the
[3:58:48] cra funds
so we need to address that right now so
[3:58:52] if you're not going to discussions
[Music]
[3:58:56] i'll look into it if it's possible i'll
come back to you with that
[3:58:58] recommendation um so we may as well take
it off the table tonight
[3:59:04] there you go
now except for the fact you need to you
[3:59:07] know he needs he wants to order the
lives
[3:59:10] can we make
can we do an approval of proving you
[3:59:15] twenty thousand dollars and then leave
it up to charles the best place to take
[3:59:19] that money out of
then we do a motion
[3:59:23] don't we have to be that specific
[3:59:27] [Music]
[3:59:42] [Music]
[3:59:52] i resent my motion for the twenty
thousand dollars
[3:59:57] for the from the
cra
[4:00:01] and make a new motion
for the possibility up to twenty
[4:00:06] thousand dollars from the better of the
place
[4:00:10] right
for the park
[4:00:14] correct
for the lighting for the lighting
[4:00:19] in the medians within the
cra okay
[4:00:22] are you good with that are you good with
that charles
[4:00:25] okay bobby you good with that okay we
have a motion do we have a second
[4:00:29] second okay all in favor say aye all
right
[4:00:33] call opposed nay
[4:00:46] [Music]
uh you want to go for the banner
[4:00:51] oh yes the banner
this is that they're working with a
[4:00:55] banner company um and we're not ready to
order them but because of the
[4:00:59] they don't get approval now
i want to get the banners for us 17 or
[4:01:03] sunrise sunset that everyone likes so
much
[4:01:06] um costs in there that's for
60 banners i think if it's actually less
[4:01:12] once they figure out the number of
brackets
[4:01:36] everybody that has seen those that is
the one thing that they have been the
[4:01:41] most
[4:01:44] important and they choose to see those
uh do we need a motion yes
[4:01:49] um i mean we approved the recommended
funds for the purchase of the sunrise
[4:01:53] sunset
okay we have a motion second any other
[4:01:57] discussion
[4:02:04] and then very quickly i just want to
show you um we talked a little bit about
[4:02:07] the
replacing the grass with brick last time
[4:02:12] and it only wasn't clear everyone that's
what the attention was so i'm bringing i
[4:02:16] want to show you and maybe a couple days
you haven't seen
[4:02:19] of the improvements downtown this was
this building has been cleaned as you
[4:02:23] this is not actually a photo this is a
photoshop but it has been pressure
[4:02:26] washed and the broken glass has been
repaired new awnings are coming the
[4:02:31] barber shop has been repaired we don't
have the um outer awning on there yet
[4:02:36] but the
cover has been repaired so this shows
[4:02:39] it's built out
as you can see in this area you really
[4:02:43] feel like the public's place ends at the
edge of the sidewalk so if you were to
[4:02:46] step off quickly and you're healed or
something you're off in the grass and
[4:02:49] then
there's sprinklers there and again and
[4:02:52] so forth so this extends that all the
way out so there's for benches and
[4:02:56] public art and so far
[4:03:00] this is the other project we're working
on
[4:03:02] um where again you take that space
this this
[4:03:07] part here
this is not part of the project it's
[4:03:12] actually the ownership of this building
over here
[4:03:14] um but you give me the point is this
coming in at the engine
[4:03:19] the palm trees are getting into the
power lines they look shredded up there
[4:03:23] to notice
to replace those probably
[4:03:27] trees be more attractive
uh this
[4:03:30] this was only looked at purchasing this
law and they wanted just many times to
[4:03:34] get great value so we let them go
there's still a possibility
[4:03:38] again extending the public space
um
[4:03:42] this is actually on 17 i just want to
show you these renderings that verified
[4:03:45] showed you
uh
[4:03:47] to add a
meanwall so you create a lively
[4:03:51] aliveness i'm very interested in
participating we're going to work on
[4:03:54] giving them some estimates for that
[4:03:59] you're taking out the parts
yes
[4:04:04] yes it would be approved today by grp
and we would do a parking agreement with
[4:04:09] them for our lot their customers use our
lot we would just formalize that group
[4:04:13] that they need they meet our code with
the use of our lot
[4:04:18] this is another bill this one actually
has been painted since this photo yeah
[4:04:22] it looks much better this is if they
were to restore
[4:04:26] the windows again it's got a
maroon our deep red awning and door
[4:04:30] what's going in there now
[4:04:40] so this is improving again this this
space here
[4:04:44] we're looking at um breaking that's all
crushed uh concrete right now actually
[4:04:48] breaking that so that potentially it
could become a public space where
[4:04:53] a tenant might have this
there were multiple tenants in that
[4:04:56] building it's a pretty good size
building
[4:04:58] uh used to be a multi team it's built as
a multi-tenant building on a low-known
[4:05:02] solutions worker
this is just some some assad rumors uh
[4:05:07] t-city music
uh in the vacant building if you were to
[4:05:11] just some simple
massage work including the sign up above
[4:05:15] music
over here creating again a public space
[4:05:18] and
even a food truck spot
[4:05:21] this says food hall on there you can't
see the city hall
[4:05:24] just as an idea it's a big space
this building was we were going to go
[4:05:29] purchase it and then call to make the
offer it was already under contract
[4:05:34] but these are some improvements that
could happen to that building
[4:05:37] various colors this shows adding a door
back here for a brewery i think it could
[4:05:42] be a retailer in the front
um different colors and then again
[4:05:46] creating gathering place bringing public
space that's also non-performing parking
[4:05:52] where you actually stick out in the road
when you park there
[4:05:56] that shows the potential
[4:06:00] this one was done more recently uh
beautiful building i think really one of
[4:06:04] our treasures
uh but just um
[4:06:07] facade work it really just needs the
roof is good it needs a little work up
[4:06:10] here to the ease
and painting and then this is part of
[4:06:14] the same property it could be a great
space
[4:06:17] for public gathering and living really
lighting up the area
[4:06:20] and this would show the flight was from
training instead of those little palm
[4:06:23] trees
you can see
[4:06:33] this is what's in the redevelopment plan
is yellow brick which i don't like
[4:06:37] it has a grass strip here which would be
difficult to maintain
[4:06:41] and you can see down here this is it
shows red brick down here
[4:06:46] but these are looking at red brick
plant clusters
[4:06:51] this actually this manufacturer took
this picture in richmond it's actually
[4:06:54] crescent gardens
the company that sells those i thought
[4:06:58] it was interesting great myrtle trees
hanging baskets
[4:07:02] the corners actually creates a little
triangle bed
[4:07:05] could be beautiful flower beds
banners and benches on central avenue so
[4:07:09] great central really is a nice
attractive strolling place
[4:07:15] we start on the poles tomorrow let's go
back to this
[4:07:20] working
[4:07:24] [Music]
[4:07:29] improvements for the old post office
building
[4:07:33] the italianate building all right
um yeah i yes i have heard from
[4:07:39] knowledgeable persons that that building
may need structural assistance
[4:07:44] that i mean that would be a potential
one for grants to make sure that it's in
[4:07:48] good condition
[4:07:51] well that
that's a big issue
[4:07:54] and the other one is everybody in the
world i don't know um
[4:07:59] if they've got a buyer yet
but this break house which i think isn't
[4:08:03] that one of our historic buildings
um
[4:08:07] everybody who goes by that building and
has any kind of eyesight for it at all
[4:08:12] is very concerned about the
structure of the spray house so
[4:08:19] um if we have grant money
for
[4:08:23] actual
um
[4:08:26] you know structural
improvements i think those two buildings
[4:08:30] need attention
not to mention the two churches
[4:08:35] this one i've actually spoken with
several people that were all excited
[4:08:39] about lying
and then i never saw them again so
[4:08:42] they got into the balance of that
building
[4:08:59] so my question is could offering like
grant assistance
[4:09:04] and i i do think i think one problem
with our grant program i think that
[4:09:07] money
needs to be paid back eventually so that
[4:09:11] you know i think it's more appropriate
for it to revolve in some way
[4:09:15] but
is it possible that offering a grant
[4:09:18] would
incentivize the buyer yeah
[4:09:22] we want to work with them we show them
this okay and they were very interested
[4:09:26] and i feel like we do get paid back we
you know if you pull a permit then we're
[4:09:30] going to hear the work done is going to
create a
[4:09:33] new assessment property
well you have grants and then you have
[4:09:38] you have
grants that are just given to you and
[4:09:40] you don't think
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[4:09:45] there's all kinds of different brands
out there but grants really are not easy
[4:09:49] to come by i mean they only have so much
money i'm saying our grant program the
[4:09:54] one we gave to scott king and the other
buildings that we gave that money with
[4:09:58] no strings whatsoever
well there's a payback provision if he
[4:10:02] were to
to change it paint over it or remove the
[4:10:05] awning
but no we that we're saving the building
[4:10:09] same thing here i recommend we've got to
save that building yeah so we may come
[4:10:13] back to you and say
we recommend a grant to termite you know
[4:10:16] detented example i mean there's a lot
and if it's a big amount somebody
[4:10:21] asked me
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[4:10:31] and i'm glad to know that you are
actively trying to entice a buyer
[4:10:36] absolutely okay and i just need the same
thing applies to this brake house
[4:10:39] because it's got you know
it needs help well christina
[4:10:45] deals with
potential buyers
[4:10:48] all the time they're she's constantly
been uh
[4:10:56] i mean that's that's just i mean i just
know that with her with what she's been
[4:10:59] doing she's been she's been dealing with
a lot of people okay and and
[4:11:04] somebody reached out to me with the one
gentleman that was looking at buying the
[4:11:07] sprague house he even reached out to me
um
[4:11:10] and
i don't know
[4:11:12] and he kind of disappeared he's a lot of
money a lot of money he was looking at
[4:11:16] 1500
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[4:11:18] in there yeah and um
you know so
[4:11:22] uh these buyers are coming to the city
they're talking to charles and christina
[4:11:27] um constantly but just getting them to
pull the trigger is a whole nother it's
[4:11:32] a whole other
[4:11:35] yes
okay we have your report has everybody
[4:11:38] had a chance to go to charleston
oh i need to close out this year thank
[4:11:42] you gary for keeping us on track
closing out the cra and opening back up
[4:11:47] our commission meeting
i just wanted to note uh city hall be
[4:11:51] closed on the 20th
um
[4:11:57] okay
[4:12:00] um you have his report in front of you
if anybody have any questions
[4:12:06] um i have a question about two things i
did not see in the report um
[4:12:11] one is
what is the status after a workshop
[4:12:19] uh well
we're hoping today was that today
[4:12:24] our roofer's going to look at it we're
still waiting on a bid a price
[4:12:28] the challenge of getting someone over
there willing to go there and look at it
[4:12:31] so
i think that may have happened yesterday
[4:12:34] or today so we're hoping to get a price
because you did very well with central
[4:12:37] avenue so um yeah okay there's that and
then what is the
[4:12:42] status as far as meetings or whatever
um with our waste closed contracts
[4:12:49] we're still waiting for their uh
draft the proposal
[4:12:54] they were putting one together
and daniel reached out to me um actually
[4:12:58] the other day when i had that
conversation with him about the property
[4:13:01] at the end of central um he said that
they just about had it all ready to come
[4:13:06] to you to bring you so soon
are we going to get options or are they
[4:13:11] just going to give us the total option
um i'll do it when i see it
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[4:13:31] where are they gonna start on your
little yellow house oh
[4:13:34] i don't know
okay
[4:13:38] that's been
[4:13:56] [Music]
[4:14:06] i've never really dealt with him i
thought i would deal with um
[4:14:14] there was that article about trail towns
and there were two bicycle features
[4:14:18] i think it was just
and i thought i had no idea
[4:14:24] okay is everybody good with um charles
is no more comments on charles city
[4:14:28] management report
if not i'm going to go ahead and open it
[4:14:31] up for commission comments do you have
any comments i'll start with you
[4:14:44] sure thank you
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[4:14:46] um i would just like to make everyone
aware that
[4:14:52] a very large part of a tree came down
across our driveway while far
[4:14:58] out of town
it covered
[4:15:01] all of main street it would have killed
anybody who'd been underneath it
[4:15:06] as well a very large branch came down
from a heritage oak
[4:15:11] before that
in evil eyes park
[4:15:14] so
i cannot emphasize to y'all enough
[4:15:19] the report and the recommendations that
advanced tree care did for the heritage
[4:15:23] oaks
over in the park
[4:15:26] that came in in 2019
in april it's been over three years we
[4:15:31] haven't done anything
the concerns focused around the soil
[4:15:37] compaction
that is basically
[4:15:41] damaging the roots to the point where
it's going to damage the tree
[4:15:45] i think we need to give this some
attention
[4:15:47] before we lose the trees
and haven't forbid
[4:15:53] someone
that's underneath when that happens
[4:15:57] so it's a serious issue
i mean more than one person that's been
[4:16:02] killed right out there in main street
that was um probably a couple tons of
[4:16:07] trees and i'll share with you all the
photos
[4:16:10] was it retreat was it one of our treats
it's a city tree
[4:16:18] taken down from that tree that was over
our driveway a couple of years ago
[4:16:23] and um
i mean it's i think it was one of the
[4:16:26] ones damaged in hurricane
but anyway this report you all have it
[4:16:31] from advanced streetcare
i really think we need to take this
[4:16:34] seriously because it applies
to quite a number of city trees and
[4:16:39] we can save our trees and save money
so
[4:16:44] that i just want to share that with
y'all
[4:16:48] thank you
is that it
[4:16:51] um i do want to make a clarification of
commissioners you've all received
[4:16:55] something in the mail
from a concerned citizen you mean the
[4:17:01] anonymous letter the anonymous letter
right and so i mean i hope if you if any
[4:17:05] of you had that concern um that you
would come to me about it
[4:17:10] is absolutely
absolutely false and um
[4:17:15] i think that it just
i i don't understand why people are not
[4:17:21] willing to stand behind
these letters with their names and come
[4:17:26] to us rather than try to spread these
type of rumors but i just struggled and
[4:17:31] especially for you commissioner banks i
just wanted you to know that in no way
[4:17:36] we are just about to celebrate our 35th
wedding anniversary we've been together
[4:17:39] almost 39 years
and he's stuck with me whether he wants
[4:17:43] to
[4:17:46] so
so with that
[4:17:50] that's all i want to say
and then we can't talk about it except
[4:17:53] for the fact i
in public i just
[4:17:56] any time with these people um anybody
listening that if you have these
[4:18:01] concerns
please by all means reach out to us
[4:18:04] don't do it anonymously um i think it's
a lot of things out there on facebook
[4:18:09] that's really ugly and and they do it
anonymously and
[4:18:14] stand behind your words you know say it
so that's all i gotta say
[4:18:18] and with that going to get a motion to
close yes i just want to say one thing
[4:18:21] um
actually that was a very ugly letter it
[4:18:24] had nothing to do with city business
it was just ugly
[4:18:28] um
so people shouldn't even try that stuff
[4:18:33] i don't think you've heard about this
from any of us
[4:18:35] um and you know if there's a concern
about finances or some actual issue
[4:18:41] you know fine go to the city manager but
yeah just be ugly and i'm sorry that
[4:18:45] happened and if you just want to hurt me
that's okay i can take it but don't hurt
[4:18:49] other people trying to get out exactly
that was true
[4:18:53] with that said i would need a motion to
close
[4:18:56] yes
[4:19:11] so i really think there's three ways
that we could go about it the first one
[4:19:14] would be just a simple leak
where
[4:19:17] there would not be an option to buy uh
it could just be for a turn of years one
[4:19:21] year five years something like that
where we retained ownership of it
[4:19:25] um but they used it
or we could have an instance where there
[4:19:29] was a leash safe for like three years
with an option to buy for a dollar at
[4:19:33] the end of three years if we were
satisfied with the improvements they
[4:19:37] made and all that stuff or obviously
there's the option to go ahead and beat
[4:19:41] it over to them i wouldn't just caution
that we not do anything
[4:19:46] as far as transferring
it ownership until they have their 501
[4:19:53] because
they're immediately going to take on a
[4:19:56] almost thousand dollar a year tax
consequence they're gonna take a lot of
[4:19:59] financial burden that's the only caution
that i would have is to just if we're
[4:20:03] going to need the property over to them
is to not do it until they have their
[4:20:08] non-profit status they don't take on a
tax liability right away
[4:20:13] um
but i just brought that up it wasn't on
[4:20:15] that but if y'all have any questions or
want me to explore any other avenues
[4:20:20] can we sell that property sell it just
not right
[4:20:26] just anybody yeah yeah
i need to sell it to them
[4:20:34] you know
what i mean
[4:20:36] then they have ownership i mean actually
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[4:20:48] you have to have some sort of a dollar
ten dollars
[4:20:52] you when you do that there has to be a
monitor but it does have some value that
[4:20:57] the property has some value to see
um it's not ten dollars but
[4:21:03] um
you know that that just
[4:21:06] cleaned it up
per se and they own it and then they can
[4:21:10] then they can do kind of what uh
mr west said ron can go in and do the
[4:21:15] wiring for him and joe can come in and
do the plumbing
[4:21:20] but anyway i'm just saying that yeah
i think that's an option
[4:21:24] i think
three years and then look at it then
[4:21:28] again at least for three years
freshman year
[4:21:33] and then bring it back and look at it
again and that takes a lot of depression
[4:21:37] because they just stopping now
they just start now they're just trying
[4:21:41] to
really they got good intention and they
[4:21:44] won't
want the building
[4:21:47] so if we get three years and you know
then go back and visit and get up into
[4:21:51] three years
and see where they stand
[4:21:56] i think that would be a good one
[4:21:59] i think they will be happy
[4:22:03] yeah we just want to make sure that we
just don't set them up for failure and
[4:22:06] that's and and bobby's made a very good
point with that if we turn over
[4:22:10] ownership right now the financial burden
i mean
[4:22:14] yeah the insurance the liability
everything else is going to fall into
[4:22:18] that and so
that just sets them up and that's the
[4:22:22] last thing we want to do because i think
that yeah the last thing we want is to
[4:22:25] be back in this
situation well and and to harm them in
[4:22:29] any way
and the whole point of the workshop was
[4:22:34] it's
the newman lodge there's
[4:22:37] it's
a contributing structure and there's a
[4:22:40] lot of history there so the hope
was to have a win-win
[4:22:44] and preserve what is
including commissioner bank's history
[4:22:48] the town history
um and i think commissioner banks is on
[4:22:52] the right track to give them
to help them along to
[4:22:56] you know to make this a process that
will work for everyone but i think he's
[4:23:00] got a good handle on diane you wanted to
say something you've got you got one
[4:23:04] minute now would you go ahead
thanks like sarah for chestnut street i
[4:23:09] don't understand why we're not handling
a lodge the way salmon were handling the
[4:23:14] little blue house the city owns
the building
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release it from them yeah
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