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I can't trust you. How am I coming
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» Very well.
>> Thank you.

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» I guess I just heard the mayor's going
to be late. I'm not sure how late, maybe

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a few minutes.

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In your opinion, were you going to kind
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to the mayor?

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» I would probably defer to the mayor, but
I am also ready to try to go through

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this. I do
hope that everybody that's

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present has kind of reviewed the changes
in the agreement that was sent over.

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I have a copy of the prior changes that
I had requested and some notes after my

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meeting with Mr. Locke on Monday
morning, also. So, I'll try to fill in

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some questions and describe some of
their proposed changes where that um

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that leads us, any guidance I can give.

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» Okay.

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Can you

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start with those?

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Addressing those proposed changes?
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from the top of the agreement.
Give me 1 second here. I have one other

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copy that I want to pull out.

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» So do we want to try to just go ahead
use our time since some of us are here?

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» Yes.

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» Okay.
Um so the

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first page that I have I have an
eight-page document in front of me.

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And I guess I will start with what were
Mr. Locke's last comments.

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He stated that it's his understanding
Locke's Grand really just wants the town

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to be paying a fair share
of any monthly fees or costs.

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And any fair share if an update or an
upgrade to their plant is needed.

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Um the second point was he really
thought that Crestone can be a partner

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in working to keep any foreign
substances out of the system moving

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forward and that really benefits both
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I think that's a fairly um good
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uh Mr. Locke. I was appreciative of
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I would like to also state
it was relayed to me

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that they have done some
new metering some updates to their

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plant.
And that it appears they are operating

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not at the about 80% capacity they
thought they were at but possibly more

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in the 60% range.
So if a update an upgrade to their plant

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is really needed an expansion
he's hoping that that is years down the

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line and not in the next couple of
years. He did talk about some updates to

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their plant they're using for
um just personnel matters. I think it

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was a ventilation system and some other
minor updates but it's not a plant

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expansion. So um just for the the
board's knowledge that was relayed to me

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also.
>> That's pretty significant.

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It does I mean, there's going to be a
plant expansion done someday. Growth is

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hopefully inevitable. Um I hope the
town's growing, and I think he believes

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Bach Grand's growing also.
Um but if this plant expansion is not

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ha- having to be undertaken in the next
5, 10 years even, um that buys us all a

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lot of time, and it also probably gives
us some time to really do some rate

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studies, and to see if that's coming, um
try to prepare for that also with our

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budgeting.
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» And then,
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Dennis is always referencing that
agreement from the past that indicates

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a a potential capacity for what the town
can send

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to the Baca or to the sent treatment
center, and Dennis is always

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pointing out that we're nowhere near
that. So, if

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if their system is determining that
they're only at 60 versus 80, that would

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just even strengthen the
the

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uh potential that we could develop
if we needed to an affordable housing

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unit or add more houses in town and
still not be at capacity.

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» So,
um Mr. Pazlusky, Trustee Pazlusky has

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brought that up a few times, and then I
need to be honest, what agreement is

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that? That is not in this agreement, um
just for my clarification, and I don't

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ever remember reading anything about a a
gallons per day, 60,000 gallons per day.

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Trustee, can you help me with that?
Point me in the right direction.

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» It's uh it's the
agreement that was I had asked for and

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been given by the previous town
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uh probably over a year ago
and it's both spoke I think it what did

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I say that was page two paragraph five
of that agreement that um made mention

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of that 60,000 GPD gallons per day.
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have a limit in it at all.
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as it as I would interpret that and not
having a legal mind but then that would

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mean that it would not inhibit any of
our growth.

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But it does with the amount of affluent
that we record monthly that goes into

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the system
I don't think it's ever exceeded

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much over 16,000
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than the 60 that I saw in print.
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I I I
I'm surprised that you don't have and no

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one has the uh
the older agreement which is the only

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one that we're working on right now or
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» the agreement from 2020 I'm sorry 20
2000 to 2020. I do have that agreement.

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I just I did not remember that's where
that came from. So thank you for sharing

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that again.
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» And yes to answer that question I do not
see a maximum capacity daily amount

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monthly amount anything that Boca Grande
is willing to accept. There is just a

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rate per
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thousand gallons and then also a rate
for BODs.

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» Right.

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And would it be correct for me to
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not limiting us to any
there's I mean it's not in print here.

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There's no numbers. So
we we are not being held back

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by any uh
limit to our growth. Not that it's

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all happening that quickly. I think we
maybe tip put on two people a year if

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that's
might not even be right.

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» Yes, Trustee, that is how I would read
this agreement. There is no maximum

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amount.
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However, it does keeping track of what
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average daily flows have been through
the year

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and maybe this isn't necessarily the
time to bring it up is a good indicator

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of just exactly how much of the plant
we're using not counting the BOD

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problem.

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» So,
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not to get too off topic, I did have a a
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Um specifically related to flows.
Well, I'll get back into this a little

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later when we get into discussion of a
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Um [clears throat] it's my understanding
Crestone installed a new meter

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um early this summer, July-ish.
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that meter was calibrated at the time.
The mount for that meter

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and I might have these numbers
backwards, it may be for a 6-in pipe

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when we have an 8-in pipe in service or
vice versa. So, the mount needs to be

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redone. The individual that um
brought the meter down that we purchased

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meter from and helped install the meter
also does work with Baca Grande. He's

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the individual that calibrates that
meter. The town is looking for that new

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mount. He's utilizing that individual
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Um but there is some discrepancies
apparently between that meter's reading

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and the meter readings from Baca Grande.
I did not get into um with Brent too far

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about the possible separation and
distance of those two meters

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if infiltration is occurring in between
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be taken into account.
But Brent did think that there is a

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substantial difference in those meters.
And right now, the contract, the prior

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draft was talking about basically
averaging those differences. This

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current proposed draft talks about
installing a new meter jointly,

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um paying for that cost jointly, and
then just having one meter. So, there's

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no discrepancies, there's no averages,
it's just one meter reading. If either

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party wants to calibrate that meter,
that can be done, but that's discussed

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further in this contract. I'll get into
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» All righty.
>> So, from the prior agreement, um there

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were some changes requested.
Changing language from

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I'm sorry, adding language that this is
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um just to help with that delineation.
Um that was done on page one.

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Um no issue there by either party.
Um so, there were a lot of references to

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town added to the agreement throughout.
But that was in my notes indicate just

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the trustees wanted to really state that
this is the town system, just so that

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that is clearly stated time and time
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On page two, there was an adjustment to
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Um I did not do the math, but I did
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under 10%
and I did ask when the last time these

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rates were adjusted. Mr. Locke informed
me that he did not know when that was

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done, and I actually have not um
asked Ariel or

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someone that may have that historical
information when the rates were adjusted

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last, but it's not to my knowledge been
within the last 3 years at least. So,

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the rates did adjust slightly. They went
from per thousand gallons

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from $7.90
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and the BODs increased from $0.991
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to $1.05 per pound for BOD. So, the
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» In the last month?
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um
when this contract is agreed to, is

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executed by both parties.
So, the rates have not increased from

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the prior agreement. This is a proposed
rate increase from Baca Grande.

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» From the
decades-long agreement or from what

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we're paying now?

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» Um I believe it is from what we are
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carried over from the last increase.
That's when I don't know when that last

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increase was.

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So, to continue down through paragraph
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there's some changes to the language for
sampling. Um the first section deals

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with the BOD.
Um it talks about both parties using the

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same individual. That would be Crestone
Labs in Alamosa to sample and to meter

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the BODs.
There was some discussion of having

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um once again the averages of the
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but those samples are taken by both
individuals and there is the language

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once again just trying to
to get rid of this discretion um as much

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as possible um as much of the averaging
as possible to try to if there's one

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bill, it's one bill. It's not going to
be averaged between these meters, which

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would then have to be read, sampled, um
the averages would then have to be um

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given to both parties and then the bill
would be sent. Um, so the sampling is

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done by the same individual and what we
are trying to say in that first

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paragraph, I'm sorry, what Mr. Locke is
trying to say is that he would ask that

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the parties agree that just the lab
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currently the lab results of the BOD
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The pounds of BOD
um, are going to be produced and are

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going to be determined by a third-party
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Labs in Alamosa. And the town does have
the ability

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the town would on request be able to see
the documentation of the BOD. Once

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again, the third-party lab that is doing
that, that lab can change, but um, that

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is our local lab that's doing that
currently. Um, and also the BOD will be

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measured no less than daily.
And there will be a physical sample um,

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taken no less than weekly also that will
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About halfway down through that
paragraph the language switches from BOD

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to the flow meter.
Um, as written the district is asting

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asking that the town and the district
split the cost of purchasing and

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installing the most accurate meter
available to measure the flow.

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And what this is, it gets back to my
meter discussion. Um, instead of having

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a town meter and a district meter, there
would be one meter for reading the flow.

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The town would not be prevented from
having an additional meter, basically

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kind of a
stopgap or a double check if the town

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would like. However, the official meter
that is declared by both parties would

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be binding. Both parties can request
that that be certified and inspected and

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both parties would have access to that.
I did ask which party would be the owner

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of that meter and Mr. Locke said that he
really had no

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position on that.
There's some pros and cons either way to

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that, but I I don't see a huge issue on
that either.

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I did ask his estimated cost. He worked
with his contractor during our meeting

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on Monday. He said the estimated cost to
install and purchase a new meter he

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thought would be between 8 and 10,000
dollars.

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So that meter would be kind of a
question. That's a point we're trying to

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do. Once again, that gets rid of our
splitting the difference if there is a

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difference.
My biggest question is really where is

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this meter going to be?
If there's a difference between our

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current meter and the the Loch a Gram
meter. If that is due to infiltration,

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that's really my question. I would like
that to be upstream as much as possible.

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Brent did state with me during our call
that he was down in Crestone during one

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of the recent rainstorms. I think it
might have been the 5th of September.

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And he was there kind of on purpose to
see if the meters would change during a

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rainstorm infiltration. That's really
what he was looking for.

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Um
infiltration depends it's not

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scientific. It may happen right away. It
may have some lag time.

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It was my understanding that Brent
thought the meters the readings really

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did not change during
immediately after and then a short

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period of time after a rainstorm in the
area. So he did not know

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he did not think that there was a direct
route of infiltration of rainwater.

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He thought there may be some small
infiltration of just ground water in the

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area, but that may not rise and fall as
quickly just with a rainfall event. Um

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but Brent does question the accuracy of
our meter and of Baca Grande's meter at

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this time. He would like to have that
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One of my
>> Seth, when

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do you want to go through this and then
we can back up with individual comments

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or questions on on some of this stuff?
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» I think now would be good. I may may
have one point, trustee, if you don't

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mind. Um
one proposal

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uh that was in my head was if the town
did install this new meter, I was asking

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Brent to give me the
um you know, the year, the make, the

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model, the specifications,
the calibration information, when that

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would need to be redone.
And if we could propose that the new

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meter the town has already installed
this year um take place of this new

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meter that the district is proposing to
purchase and install, that would be one

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option for the town. I have not
discussed that with Mr. Locke. Um Mr.

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Brett Vanderveer just got a hold of me
yesterday and did provide me some

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information on that meter and I would
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just see if he would be willing to
discuss that with his board if that

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meter is acceptable. Brent did say that
that meter was fairly top of the line,

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um but I don't know if they would have
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any hindrance by using that current
meter. So.

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» Um
well, just so you're you're aware and

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everyone else who's in the room
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or listening,
a few months back the plan had been

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to us having our meter
the existing meter that Buckeye has

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and calibrate them together. So, at that
moment they would be reading the same

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and then
watch

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very closely weekly or bi-weekly
and record the readings to see if

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anything changed. And what I mean by the
change if one started reading higher or

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lower than the other and then we would
do a recalibration and try to figure out

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which one may or may not have been the
problem. So

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we had some time ago start initiated by
the former ORC applied for a grant with

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Dola and I think I I sent this
information that we're closing now which

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covered the cost of that meter and the
installation. So

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I guess what I'm getting at is I don't
want any of that to be in vain. We've

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already spent and gone through that
energy to be able to spend that money

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and gone through that to get that
up and very close to running right now.

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Um
It doesn't seem to make I I I would go

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along with the idea of about having
hoping Baca will accept the meter that

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we have as being the one and then the
other would be the duplicate to try to

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bracket see if there's any difference
discrepancies between the two. Hope that

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made sense.

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» It does. My discussion with Mr. Locke
was really that we do have two meters

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that appear to be reading differently. I
don't know if he was aware that we had

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installed a new meter this summer and
that's the information I was trying to

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get to him and also his operator to see
their their thoughts on that. And I do

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believe I understood you
the individual that calibrates these

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meters is the same individual. He comes
down from the front range according to

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Brent.
So he works on them together. But you

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had the kind of proposal that we need to
calibrate these meters. They should be

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theoretically reading
the same if we were to calibrate them at

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the same time. Once again, I don't know
if they're physically distant and how

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that may play into things. Um, if
they're fairly close, hopefully the flow

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would be fairly close.
Um, but you would like to see how the

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meters diverge through time, if at all,
um, was one of the things you were

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trying to do.
I think that was one of the

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um, points Mr. Locke is trying to get
across in his board

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is that having different meters,
um, especially if they are different,

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um, or diverge their meter readings, um,
how do we deal with that? And just

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removing that average, I think it does
affect their, uh,

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just the operating of that also a
little.

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Um, it takes some time to read the
meters and then they actually have to be

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averaged if they are different and then
that gets put into the bill. Um, so it's

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just a few more steps. If we have one
meter that we're both agreeing to, um,

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that's just it's done. There's no gray,
there's no wiggle room. I do like the

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fact or the opportunity for the town to
have,

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I mean, there would be some cost
involved, but just have another meter so

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that if the town is ever having an
issue, um,

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you know, they can request a
certification of both of the town's

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meters or the the shared meter and see
where those differences are coming from.

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You can have a backup. Um, but is that
even necessary? That's a question for

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the board. I I don't know and maybe Wren
should be involved in some of this also.

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I would just like to have one meter
and I do see the point in having one

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meter, I guess. I don't know what I want
to say that I don't like, but I do see

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the point in just having one meter. It's
read, it's certified on a schedule, if

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that's as per the town, as per Boca
Grande and as per the devices

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maintenance schedule. Um, that's kind of
what we should stick with.

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Having two meters does bring in this
gray area and I think that's what the

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two parties are, uh,
having some issue. Nobody wants to be

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taken advantage of. That's I I do
believe that's just where we're at. So.

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» My in my discussion a few months back
with some of the staff at the treatment

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facility there was they were in
agreement of the two meters because it

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did give a
an additional level of oversight and

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more involvement by staff to be more
conscientious in reading both meters.

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And if there was a problem, it was
caught immediately. So maybe the board

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their board is not aware of that um and
unless staff has changed their mind, I I

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would still lead toward lean toward the
two meter

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a system. But of course, I'm just I'm
just [clears throat] one person.

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» Yeah.
Um that was definitely not the

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the
the intent I took from the comment and

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maybe that changed or maybe some
disconnect between staff and the board

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that as you stated. Yes, sir.

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Any other questions on uh paragraph two?
>> What's the course of action based on

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what Dennis just said?
>> Well, I think that the board does need

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to just have some discussion to see if
they would like to propose using the

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town's meter, if the town would like to
have a backup meter, or if we would like

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both parties as written in this
agreement to purchase

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a
new meter, to install a new meter, and

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that would be our official meter. If
that's the case, both parties would have

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for lack of better words a backup meter
that they would have some oversight on.

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» So you're deferring
to a later time when the board can have

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a conversation about it?
>> I would like the board to think about

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it. I mean, we are kind of in that
conversation stage now. This is a work

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session, so we won't be making any
decisions, but I would like to hear your

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opinions.
>> Okay.

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Well, I agree with Dennis that
uh I mean, it's not very efficient or

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practical to turn around and
spend our capital reserves on a new

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meter when we just did that. So,
personally, I prefer either a two-meter

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system or that the meter we just
purchased be considered

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the new the shared meter.

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But, I don't know
if in their proposal if there's any

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indication of where that meter needs to
be or not.

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» No, there is not.

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Ariel is not.
>> Ariel is not.

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If that's the case, would they be paying
us back for half of the meter we just

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installed?

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» I think that they would
as this proposal is written, they would

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split the costs of installing and
purchasing the meter, yes.

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I think we would discuss with them if
that was grant funding, how much that

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actually cost, possibly.
It was stated on the record that that

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may have been from grant funding. I
don't know if it was fully grant

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funding, partially grant funding, and
what it actually cost the town, and

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there may be some administration fees in
that grant, also.

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» Is
is [clears throat] Ariel there?

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» No.
>> Is um

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the staff was accumulating information
to close out the grant. Uh they were

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accumulation accumulating that
information for Randy's from for Randy's

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need.
>> Uh-huh.

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» And um
I thought I thought the cost of the

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installation and the meter was
was in um

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was in the clerk's hands because I know
she was going to give that to Randy.

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» I do not know.
>> All right. We'll track that

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[clears throat] down, sir.
>> Okay.

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What I would propose after we we meet
today

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is that a few of our
negotiation terms, we'll try to put them

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back into this draft. I would like to
get that back to the board. If they need

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to set a quick meeting,
um I would like to try to get a copy of

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our edits
back to the Baca Grande. They are

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meeting
on the 25th.

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So, if we could possibly get them back
to them a few days before that, they

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would be able to meet and review our
edits on that date.

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» Okay. And I know this is a work session
today, but I would presume that

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based on our conversations today, you
would be able to walk away with

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uh
some casual direction to make edits.

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» I would have guidance to make edits that
would be presented back to the board for

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their approval.
>> Okay. And then, if we could just back up

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one second to number two,
initial cost of service, where they

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proposed the increase,
Dennis,

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if they go from 790 to 833 per 1,000
gallons,

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that could be approximately
$5 to $8 per day based on the numbers

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you told me of 16,000 gallons a day.
>> Yes.

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» On the BOD,
how many pounds of BOD do we average a

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day?

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» Um I'd have to look for that. Um

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» Is it comparable to the flow?
>> No.

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The uh
at at the 99.

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whatever cents that was per pound,
we're averaging, and I'm trying to do

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this from memory, a cost of anywhere
between 12, 11 or 12

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$100 to
on the high end, 14 $1,400

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on the high end
a month.

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Um

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I wish I had that information right
here.

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Let me uh
in court, continue on, but I'll see if I

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can get more accurate for you here.
>> Well, with the on the flow,

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it looks like it, you know, it'll be a
$150 to $200 a month increase, so that's

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manageable.
And if the BOD is somewhat comparable,

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then

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I have
I hope my math is correct here. If I'm

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doing that, the the rate
for the flow increased approximately 5%

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and the rate for the BOD increased
approximately 6%.

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» That's probably very close.
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the goal is um is to take those BODs and
substantially reduce them. So, the onus

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is on us.
Uh you know, we're we'll for the year

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we'll probably be around 14 or 15,000
for the entire year in cost for treating

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BODs, which to me seems extremely
outrageous.

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Um
so, our job is to lower that.

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» All right.
Okay, so moving on to paragraph three,

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this is increases in cost of service.
Uh paragraph A was added. There are some

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terms that I discussed. Um, Baca Grande
is a independent um special district.

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They are operating and they do increase
the rates on their users.

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Um, that is done through rate studies.
Some of the language that I did request

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in here, uh Mr. Block,
he'd want this to be made in the sole

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discretion of Baca Grande.
However, that has to be tempered with

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the increase has to be in good faith.
Um, this would not be

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out of proportion to increases that are
made to the in-district users.

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And
I guess I want to bring in the

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last sentence. Um,
what we are trying to state here

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is that costs given to the town, cost
increased increases,

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would take into account only increases
in infrastructure, operation,

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and administration
for the cost of providing services to

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the town,
not an increase in infrastructure cost,

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operational cost, administrative costs,
or other costs for the district's other

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customers.
Um, it does get us back into

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how I would
perceive this

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is and I'm just going to make these
numbers up here. If the

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cost of the town service flow of the to
the town

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is approximately a third of the cost of
the district's plant,

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increases would have to kind of be
proportional with whatever that third

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is. If they are increasing a cost, if
they are working on a a line that is on

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the district system,
that cost would not be passed on to the

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town through an increase.
If they are working on an increase in

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say the plant
and we are at that third

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33%
approximately a third of that cost could

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be attributed to the town and that would
be made at the sole discretion but also

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in good faith by Boca Grande, that rate
would increase in some number or some

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percentage. What really what we're
trying to do is separate any costs and

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service administration or use to the
district on their system that is going

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to be separate and distinct from a cost
that would be possibly tailored to or

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attributed to the town system or the use
of the town.

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Um we we've hashed that out quite a bit
between Mr. Locke and I and I think

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we're actually getting to something that
um is fairly close to something I would

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agree on on this system.
>> Now if the collection system, in my

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words, if the collection system
were damaged or storm or

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erosion or dis- or was damaged
that's none of our responsibility.

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» Which collection system?
>> The sanitary sewer collection system.

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It's just the plant
where the effluent's treated.

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» And the small section between the town
system

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and the plant that is owned by the
district, I believe there's a small

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section there also.
>> Okay, I would consider that the

434
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:17,360
interceptor that brings the two
together.

435
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:23,040
» Okay. The interceptor, okay. So if a if
a line is broken, um you know, out on

436
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:28,399
the far what would that be? The south
end of their system

437
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:32,960
um that cost should not be attributed to
a rate increase of the town.

438
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,960
» All right.

439
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:43,320
And I I Mr. Locke and I have discussed
this paragraph quite a bit flying

440
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:43,320
together, so.

441
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:57,360
Any other questions on section paragraph
three? Sorry.

442
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,960
» No.
>> Okay.

443
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:13,040
Moving on to four.
This was where I did have some

444
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:17,960
discussion with Mr. Locke. You know, he
did share that he believes the

445
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:23,320
the new meters, the updates they've done
to their plant have lowered that number

446
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,560
and I I do believe he stated these
numbers, but please take them with a

447
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,960
grain of salt from approximately that
80% to the 60% range of their plant

448
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:36,720
capacity is where they're currently
operating, which I believe in his words

449
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:41,920
bought them quite a few more years. So.
As written, this is a 20-year contract.

450
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,920
It's hard to to see where we may be in
20 years, but just keep that in mind. He

451
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,840
thought that this would be at the tail
end of this agreement if it occurred.

452
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:54,120
So.
And he did make some changes to

453
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:58,880
paragraph four, wastewater treatment
plant upgrades and expansion.

454
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:03,400
The district is in the process of
upgrading its existing wastewater

455
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,960
treatment facility and may ultimately be
required to expand or replace its

456
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:11,600
current facility.
He removed the words building a new

457
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:15,440
wastewater treatment facility as that is
not their

458
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:19,840
MO right now. They have actually taken a
step back from that and he was happy to

459
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:24,520
share that with me.
There will be some upgrades. He He

460
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:28,760
talked a lot about a ventilation system
improving the air quality in the plant

461
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:34,160
for their employees and a few things
that are required to be done by the EPA

462
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:39,040
and the state of Colorado also.
There's just some things that they do

463
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:44,120
definitely to
increase worker productivity and make

464
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:46,920
things just a better working
environment, but there are also some

465
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:54,680
things that have to be done. It's
regulated by the state or the feds.

466
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,680
As we get down into

467
00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:03,400
what the changes are at the bottom of
this paragraph on page three.

468
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:07,320
The best calculation that I've seen
that's been proposed

469
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:13,080
is using
our BOD and our flow meter readings.

470
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:19,280
There is a calculation here
and basically it is giving the flow and

471
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:21,320
the BOD a 50%
um

472
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,080
weighting
in how to

473
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:30,360
calculate
the town's

474
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:36,600
overall responsibility or percentage of
a future plant upgrade or expansion.

475
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:40,400
I do have a lot of notes here on this
math. I don't know if it's worth me

476
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:45,760
going through all of those notes or just
trying to answer questions as best as

477
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,760
possible after you've read through them.

478
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:53,000
» Looks good to me.
>> Okay.

479
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:58,880
And it is taking a 12-month average, so
the preceding 12 months.

480
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:03,560
And as Miss Trustee Paslusney stated, if
the town has the ability to lessen the

481
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:08,560
BOD load,
that may be very helpful looking at

482
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:13,120
these numbers if a plant expansion is
ever to be determined.

483
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:18,440
And I don't know if this is at all
possible, but if the

484
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:21,360
talk discussion of a plant expansion
takes off again in

485
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:26,680
um
5, 10, 15 years, whenever that may be.

486
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:30,680
Um it may be very helpful for the town
to really see what they can do to

487
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:35,560
decrease their BODs for that period of
time, which may lessen their overall

488
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:41,000
burden in that plant expansion. But um
that's that's down the line. So

489
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:48,520
in addition to the the current or
current reduction of BOD. So

490
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:54,800
I did have one comment. Um He struck
some language about funding

491
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:59,400
the expansion by grants for the town.
However, we just moved um some of that

492
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,920
language down to a different section. So
I want to make that known. That language

493
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:08,080
really wasn't struck. It was simply
moved to a different section.

494
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:11,120
» It's still there also.
>> Yes, and it's brought It's just brought

495
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:15,840
back up. There was a little bit of
wordsmithing done here by Mr. Locke. Um

496
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:20,400
I just I definitely had that section
highlighted. Anytime I see something

497
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,240
striking the town's ability to do
something by

498
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:30,040
by grant funding, I just want to bring
that back up, that that was not removed

499
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:30,040
on purpose. It was just re-edited. Okay?

500
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:46,720
The paragraph B that was struck
um had to do with the um language of an

501
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:52,320
arbitrator.
And that language really was reworked um

502
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:57,440
and put back into
the language in paragraph three, section

503
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:02,120
A. So that kind of that paragraph was
moved.

504
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,120
That's why it's struck there.

505
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,360
Give me 1 second to close my door.

506
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:27,920
» Uh no changes were made to
um section five and six payment and

507
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:31,360
discharge permit other than renumbering
those.

508
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:35,120
We did discuss the discharge permit and
that is something the town would also

509
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:37,920
have to sign as a um secondary part of
this agreement.

510
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:44,360
The section labeled seven, district
wastewater collection system impact

511
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:48,640
fees,
is where some discussion will be had, I

512
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:53,800
believe, here. This is about um tap
fees. Mr. Locke self-admittedly came up

513
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:59,200
with this long name, um
but he is titling it an impact fee,

514
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:04,320
which helps them and possibly the town
in the future with some TABOR issues,

515
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:09,320
but also removing um
kind of the the question of any citizen

516
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:14,520
that may say they have two tap fees.
There would be a fee to the district for

517
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:18,160
the wastewater collection system impact,
and then the town would be able to

518
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:24,040
impose a tap fee, also.
As proposed,

519
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:28,720
a resident in Crestone that desires to
hook up to the system or is required to

520
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:35,920
hook up to the system,
would have to remit to Baca Grande

521
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:40,000
50% of their tap fees
for the sewer tap,

522
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:45,720
and that would be the tap fee that is
assessed to any individual in the

523
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:51,840
district at the time they hook up.
Um the prior version did have that at a

524
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:56,960
tap fee would be remitted to
um Baca Grande at 100% and then we also

525
00:41:54,640 --> 00:42:00,800
discussed that at 50%.
This does not prevent the town from

526
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:05,920
collecting a tap fee,
also amending or changing that tap fee

527
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:12,440
in the future so that they can recoup
costs and also use those fees to offset

528
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:15,800
the cost of installing the new tap and
maintaining the increased load on the

529
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:19,040
town system.
The district did

530
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:28,400
He said that he did get a lot of strong
guidance that the district feels they do

531
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:35,680
need some sort of a fee because there is
an increase that does in fact impact the

532
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:38,400
plant and a small section of their um
What was that term you used? I'm sorry.

533
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,280
Trust me pass loose knee from the town
system.

534
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:45,240
» Interceptor?
>> Interceptor.

535
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:48,240
The interceptor section, but most of
these costs

536
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:56,480
are going to be aimed at the um impact
in the plant because that is really

537
00:42:53,880 --> 00:43:00,160
where they do feel the impact and that
is where the um need for the system

538
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,520
comes in and that's where all the work
is actually done.

539
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:07,040
» Can I say something?
>> Yes, sir.

540
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:13,000
» Um
I like the um

541
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:18,600
description of an impact as it using as
an impact fee

542
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:25,360
and if we need to establish some
uh dollar amount of what that be and

543
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:28,520
it's 50% of the tap on fee which is
I think $600.

544
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,840
Um
>> Their tap fee.

545
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:35,720
» What's that?
>> It's on the Baca's tap fee.

546
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:42,640
50% of the of what the Baca charges, not
what we charge.

547
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:46,600
According to the language.
>> Huh.

548
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:50,160
» Yes, that is my understanding, too.
>> And so what do they charge?

549
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:55,760
» $5,000.
>> Then that means we would be adding

550
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,760
approximately $2,500

551
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:02,080
to our current tap fee and all of that
would go to

552
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:05,560
Baca water.
>> Yes.

553
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:09,040
» Okay, let me let me All All so then I
misunderstood that. Let me say this.

554
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:14,920
Uh
I'm I'm a I personally I would be I see

555
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:19,600
the worth and I agree able to uh
to a impact fee for that.

556
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:23,720
But I don't want it associated in any
way

557
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,840
uh even in wording be be called a a tap
on fee.

558
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:31,600
Uh
because if we decide

559
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:35,560
that we want to raise our tap on fees, I
don't want anything

560
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:40,640
uh
to go that way to go to pay for that

561
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:43,440
surcharge. And if they decide to raise
their

562
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:47,560
fees, which I now I understand that
that's what it's based on anyway,

563
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:52,920
that $2,500
of a $5,000 full tap on fee could get

564
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,720
really really high.
Um

565
00:44:53,920 --> 00:45:01,000
So, if we can establish an amount, I
guess is really what I'm saying,

566
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:05,320
for now that will last for
hopefully the duration of this contract,

567
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:08,080
I would be happy with that. But to just
keep it open,

568
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:10,760
I mean, what if they decide to change it
to $10,000?

569
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,480
And we'd have to come up with five
grand.

570
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:17,240
» How about
>> That would be the case and that would be

571
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:21,440
for any new customer on their system,
though. They would be paying that

572
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:24,040
$10,000 for a new tap on.
>> Mhm.

573
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:29,880
» What if we just
uh within our own organization decide to

574
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:33,680
set our tap fees
at whatever their tap fees are?

575
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:41,280
» We can have them.
>> And then from there on out, they get

576
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,280
half of it and we get half of it.

577
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:47,200
» Um
that's something we could discuss. Uh

578
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,240
that
kind of

579
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:54,600
sends me in a slightly different
direction. I was definitely thought that

580
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:58,240
the board's intent was to have as small
a fee as possible,

581
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,920
but that is something we can do. I do
think that

582
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:04,160
these rates
um

583
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,520
they do adjust. They do go up. It
depends when you do your rate study, and

584
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:13,000
I think that there would be some
pushback on having a set fee, especially

585
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,720
with a 20-year contract.
>> Yeah.

586
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,880
Set fee
>> I I just do get some pushback. I think I

587
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,560
would get there.
>> It wouldn't really be

588
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:26,640
uh
fair to

589
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:31,960
to town to not uh if like we have to pay
50% of uh

590
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:35,680
uh their fee and then
>> Well, the town does not. It would be the

591
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:41,680
applicant, the person
wanting to do the hookup.

592
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:45,720
» Oh, okay. So, it would be like um I see.
They would Okay, that makes sense. So,

593
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:50,800
they they would have their own
um billing way of billing them. Is that

594
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:55,280
correct, or would we bill them and then
we would and then the money would

595
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,600
I'm just wondering, is it like they
write a check

596
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:02,960
» As stated, it says the town will the
town shall collect this fee

597
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:08,760
from the user,
and that fee will be 50% of the then

598
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:12,440
current sewer tap fee
uh from the

599
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:17,400
the district.
>> So, then we just have to change our

600
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:20,960
language in our It's basically a whole
'nother

601
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:25,200
line item that has to be created in our
fee schedule. Is that what you're

602
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:30,320
what you're saying?
>> Yes, that would be one way to address

603
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:35,480
that. And the town can and will have the
ability to address its own tap fees,

604
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:40,880
what those amounts are,
and adjust those, amend those as needed.

605
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:45,720
» Okay.
Okay.

606
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,720
» That could really

607
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:53,640
that could really really increase and
make it almost impossible for some

608
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:58,400
people to be able to tap on.
So, you you said

609
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:03,840
Correct me if I'm wrong. Did you say you
did talk about a set fee with Mr. Locke,

610
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:09,760
I believe his name is, or not?
>> No, I did not. Um I

611
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:13,880
believe that a a set fee would probably
meet a lot of pushback from Mr. Locke

612
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:17,760
and their board due to the fact that
that amount would not be able to

613
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:23,520
fluctuate or change over the next 20
years, which is uh

614
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:29,360
a a long period of time.
>> Yeah, even if we were to to uh

615
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:33,080
forget the 20-year part, but have a
uh

616
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:36,160
calculate a system that if at some
particular growth

617
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:44,280
um
or a GPM or GPD, gallons per day, were

618
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:48,640
to be reached, then that adjustment
of the set fee could be raised.

619
00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:50,920
Um
I don't know if I'm explaining that

620
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,120
right. I can think about it right, but I
don't I don't know if the words are

621
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,400
coming out right.
>> probably is uh

622
00:48:55,160 --> 00:49:00,160
something that
Boca Grande uses.

623
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:05,720
Um they I'm sure that they are doing
some sort of a rate study every 2 years

624
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:10,760
approximately, and those numbers do go
into their tap fees and their monthly

625
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:15,480
fees. So, some of those studies, some of
those numbers are actually looked at

626
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:21,080
already. And once again, this is tied
directly to

627
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:25,400
the sewer tap fee for Boca Grande. So,
if Boca Grande

628
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:30,560
does prevent growth, um
the growth is actually affecting

629
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:35,680
Boca Grande by having such a high fee,
um you know, at a 100% rate versus the

630
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:42,720
town at the 50% rate.
Um just that's my two cents. So.

631
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:46,320
» My my limited experience
uh

632
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:52,880
with the the vacant properties there is
that many had prepaid

633
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:59,400
uh uh, their tap-on fees
years ago, so probably at a very, very

634
00:49:56,240 --> 00:50:04,120
much lower cost, and now
with new development coming in, and

635
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:07,400
maybe all of those prepaid fees
is, um,

636
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:10,280
is not good enough for them, and I'd
hate for us to be carrying that cash

637
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:14,480
cow.
Um,

638
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:18,560
it's it's just going to create
it create a hardship for people in our

639
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:22,880
town that's going to want to tap on.
>> Okay, I understand your point, and I do

640
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:26,760
want guidance from the board. Um, I have
heard that there are some lots that are

641
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:32,400
prepaid out there. However, that does
take into account, um, the actual cost

642
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:37,280
of the tap. They are having to then pay
a monthly fee, and then there also is a

643
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:41,640
service availability fee out there also
that vacant lots that do not have the

644
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:46,720
tap, but have the ability to tap in are
also paying.

645
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:50,280
Um, I did some research. The town of
Parker

646
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,880
for a
3/4

647
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:57,640
which is considered a small residential
water,

648
00:50:54,920 --> 00:51:03,400
um, sanitary fee.
Um, town of Parker, Colorado,

649
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:07,400
$20,000, $21,050
for water,

650
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:12,640
$10,420
for sewer.

651
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:17,200
Uh, if you go to a 1-in line, that
almost doubles. It goes to $42,100

652
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,640
for water,
$20,840

653
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:24,320
for sewer.
Uh,

654
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:30,000
I had a sheet
out here.

655
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,000
Most of these are Front Range.

656
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:41,040
» Yeah, I I
uh,

657
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:44,200
I am concerned about what Dennis said.
So, if somebody paid a tap fee 10 years

658
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:47,640
ago,
are they then

659
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:51,800
considered that they've paid their tap
fee, and they will not have to pay the

660
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:56,640
additional
to the Baca if they hook up in 2 years

661
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:59,800
is one question, but to your point,
Seth,

662
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:05,880
I think you're right
that our tap fees are pretty low, and as

663
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:10,160
we approach build out in town and in the
Baca, there's no reason that a person in

664
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:15,360
town
shouldn't pay the same tap fee as a

665
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:20,280
person in the Baca
with the consideration that 50% of that

666
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:24,920
goes to water and sand and 50% of that
goes to the town.

667
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:30,960
That seems reasonable to me.
>> Well, in the the 50% going to the town,

668
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:34,880
that could be adjusted. I mean, if town
does desire to have a low tap fee, they

669
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:38,400
can charge very little, but if they do
need to have more due to a rate study,

670
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:44,560
it could actually be more than whatever
is there. The town of Trinidad is

671
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:50,160
approximately $9,000 for water and
$7,000 for sewer, also. I had a list of

672
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:54,880
these. Um but, yes, trustee, I think
that if a individual in town

673
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:58,600
has prepaid, has already paid for a tap,
is paying for a service connection

674
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:03,520
monthly, they may not have any flow,
that does work to their advantage, also.

675
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:08,640
» Let me Let me uh
add something in here. We have

676
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:13,480
and are getting ready to, hopefully, go
out for engineering on a grant from

677
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:17,320
Department of Local
from DOLA,

678
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:20,440
a pre-approved grant. We have the money,
and in that grant, if I remember

679
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:27,240
correctly,
the stubs for the sanitary sewer line

680
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:29,800
are included, meaning the service lines.
So,

681
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:35,280
um
how will that affect

682
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:40,480
what we're talking about now?
The

683
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:43,840
uh if that line is extended
and ready to be put into operation, do

684
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:47,240
we now
as people hook on,

685
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,240
will they have to pay, even though
they're not going to pay through the

686
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:56,800
grant,
the the tap on fee because the grant is

687
00:53:54,080 --> 00:54:02,240
paying for that service line,
will they still have to pay that fee

688
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:02,240
to us at Tabernacle?

689
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:12,160
» Trustee, that's very new information to
me. I I don't

690
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:15,400
know that for certain.
>> I think that's maybe something that we

691
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:20,840
have to talk about by ourselves and get
that straight with uh

692
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,840
Department of Local Affairs.

693
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:35,360
» And I guess the question is
the tap fee for the town,

694
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:40,080
does that only pay for the stub out,
or is that paying for other services

695
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:45,320
that um would be included in the the
standard tap fee?

696
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:49,720
» Since our new ordinance,
the um

697
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:56,560
if if if we did not
if those stubs were not installed,

698
00:54:53,480 --> 00:55:00,440
the individual requesting the per the
the service would have to construct that

699
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:04,520
service line.
>> out and the tap fee.

700
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:09,080
» And the tap fee.
>> So, it seems like that may not be

701
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:12,680
included in the tap fee because it is an
additional fee. But once again, I'm just

702
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:16,000
postulating here.
>> All right. Yeah, me too. I'm trying to

703
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:20,280
trying to put the put it together as
we're going because we're going to we're

704
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:25,320
going to have that situation both with
prepaid taps that haven't been used yet,

705
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:29,920
and so on and so forth, and then they're
connected and we develop a new account

706
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:33,800
for them. Uh that that's something that
we've got to kick around a little bit

707
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:37,960
more, i- i- including with with the with
Baca Water and Sewer,

708
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:41,400
and see what making sure I don't want to
be hit with any surprises. I don't want

709
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:44,480
our residents or our customers to be hit
with any surprises.

710
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:48,200
Like, "Oh gee, I thought this was all
set."

711
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:51,160
And and it's not. So, yes, Phil, a point
of discussion, I guess.

712
00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:03,320
» Trusty Kenny, Mayor, any additional
comments here?

713
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:07,320
» Um I do think that we should have
probably spent more time in the past

714
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:12,360
looking at our fee schedule and
increasing it over time. It's It's now

715
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:16,440
kind of outdated as far as, you know, I
know that it's

716
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:22,160
you know, in some ways it's it's a cheap
place to build, um which is fine. I I

717
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:26,480
think it's uh it's good for
for people, but it's also got to be fair

718
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:30,080
for everybody.
Uh

719
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:34,520
the town and you know, we're providing
this service and I I do I do think that

720
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:38,480
we need to figure out a way to
uh

721
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:43,840
increase our tap fees,
um eventually increase

722
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:47,680
some of our fees for for water,
sanitation,

723
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:52,040
and each thing and and do it in a way
that, you know,

724
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:55,800
is somewhat in harmony with with the
town and what's happening with

725
00:56:53,680 --> 00:57:01,160
inflation. I mean, we're, you know,
parts are twice as much as they were a

726
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:05,360
few years ago. Everything has gone up,
so it's like if we don't follow that,

727
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:08,720
we're going to get left behind and and
we're not going to be able to

728
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:12,520
um
we're we're going to be get further away

729
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:19,120
from any kind of enterprise status that
we've ever wanted. Um

730
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:24,400
and uh I just I just, you know, I want
to be fair, but I also know that we have

731
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:27,840
to be fair to ourselves as well.
Cuz it's it's just not um

732
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:33,200
we're we're getting further out of
harmony with with the with the fee

733
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:35,960
schedules and the tap fees.
>> Now, the town almost seems to be

734
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:40,120
subsidizing
water and sewer for the residents

735
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:43,440
through other means.
>> We are.

736
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:49,000
» We are.
>> Yeah, my the only point I would bring up

737
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:52,000
is I think maybe what Dennis was saying
uh that

738
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:57,680
it would be really nice to have a
comprehensive list of

739
00:57:54,640 --> 00:58:02,680
which sewer tap fees have already been
paid by whom

740
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:08,360
and given that we've changed our
ordinance for what a tap fee covers, if

741
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:13,760
that person
plans to actually hook up or develop in

742
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:19,160
the future, um
is town

743
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:24,000
paying for that installation based on a
10-year-old $800 tap fee?

744
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:33,480
» Well, well, not Yeah, not only that, it
if So, we develop an account number to

745
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:39,360
bill for that sewer tap, uh I don't know
what what what Baca's going to want as

746
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:43,560
far as uh information getting from us on
who taps on, when they tap on, so on and

747
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:47,640
so forth. So, along those lines, someone
has prepaid a tap on fee, very much like

748
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:53,600
in their community, but now they're
tapping on 10 years later and the fee is

749
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:57,960
is five $5,000, 25 of which is going to
go to Baca. Is Is that Is that how we're

750
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:01,360
going to treat that?
And how do we let our public know?

751
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:04,360
» Yeah.
>> So, we need to We need to have set out

752
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:07,440
just a little bit more.
>> Yeah, and if

753
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:12,440
» I I agree with you, Mayor. We Our Our
fees are low across the board from

754
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:15,400
permit building permit fees to
to everything else.

755
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:19,560
They're They're low.
>> I was concerned that Brent was going to

756
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:24,000
run out of things to do.
So, maybe now we can have him start

757
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:26,760
putting together those comprehensive
lists.

758
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:35,080
» And I guess I I'm looking for any any
guidance the board may have here. Does

759
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,880
that comprehensive list really affect
>> No.

760
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,240
» paragraph seven here?
>> No.

761
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:47,800
» Okay.
Any other questions there?

762
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,800
» No.

763
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:55,360
» So, moving on to eight, once again, we
added um

764
00:59:52,240 --> 01:00:00,640
town to the system to just really try to
delineate that this is the town system

765
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,640
as much as possible.

766
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:09,920
Um I do not have I do really like your
language, Trustee Pezzulo, of the

767
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:13,320
interceptor system. Um I'm going to try
to make a note of that and use that

768
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:19,280
going forward as that connection between
the town system and the plant. Um but

769
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:23,920
that section talks about I&I
and really

770
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:27,880
if there is an issue there, if we do
however continue with our multiple

771
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:31,880
meters, um if they're continuing to read
differently, this section may come into

772
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:36,400
play where we're saying, "Well, where is
this I&I coming from?" And I I once

773
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:40,280
again don't know Do you know how far
apart those meters are?

774
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:45,680
» I don't. I thought they were very very
like within a foot or two of each other.

775
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:49,680
» Oh, really? Okay. Well, that's helpful.
>> Yeah, I think it's some difference with

776
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:54,440
where the the uh uh
the partial flume might have been and

777
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:57,800
being up in the pipe.
Uh but I've never

778
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:01,720
I've never seen it myself. I have to go
down and look in the manhole

779
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:05,200
to get it straight in my mind.
So.

780
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:09,560
» I do believe the
and for lack of better words, the town's

781
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:13,960
meter is on a pipe. I don't know if
that's a 6-incher an 8-incher. That was

782
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:18,000
one of the the statements Brent made.
And that the Baca's meter is on the

783
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:23,240
flume.
I do have notes from Brent.

784
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:28,360
» I don't know if the part was replaced,
but I think it's an 8-in pipe and then

785
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:33,680
the part the attachment was a 6-in and
they modified it to fit, but it's not

786
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:38,160
ideal. And he said that they
>> not been replaced yet. The parts are

787
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:42,600
basically on order. And when that
individual comes down from the front

788
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:44,560
range, they will install that new
um

789
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,840
» Okay.
>> I forget the term he used. Um

790
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:50,440
» It's a attacher or a
>> mounting bracket.

791
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:55,960
» Bracket, yeah.
>> And there Brent also shared that um he

792
01:01:53,440 --> 01:02:00,560
thought that both of the meters that are
used

793
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:03,960
are actually fairly accurate. I
I don't have this written down I or I in

794
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:10,080
front of me.
Brent stated that at a higher flow

795
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:15,520
Bockus meter may have a slightly um
higher technologically advantage for

796
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:20,040
reading higher flows, but at lower flows
um the the technology in our meter that

797
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:25,600
we installed may be a little more
accurate, but very minimal. Um just once

798
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:30,080
you get to those extremes.
So, um I guess just the differences in

799
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:32,760
technology. I don't want to pretend to
know I

800
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:36,640
I know what I'm talking about there.
That was a conversation with Brent, so.

801
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:43,320
Uh any questions on
paragraph eight?

802
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,920
» Uh

803
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:57,560
So, we already had like a
We had a jetting and scoping um

804
01:02:54,920 --> 01:03:02,000
I think again, if we
if we raise our

805
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:05,600
tap Do you think that like our tap fees
could go towards

806
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:08,880
um something like that? Or where would
we

807
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:13,560
we get money if we wanted to do another
jetting and scoping to find out if we

808
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:18,560
had I&I like where where
um

809
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:24,040
We we kind of got it out of this grant
and it was part of the problem with why

810
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:27,240
we might have to reimburse Dola.
Um but

811
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:31,840
it seems like jetting and scoping is
something that we should be doing on a

812
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:35,000
fairly regular basis.
Um there

813
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:38,080
Yeah.
Uh

814
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:44,320
Brent was telling me that one of the
metering devices he has

815
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:48,160
uh which is town it brought previously.
Uh I don't know exactly when. I think it

816
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:51,960
was either before maybe even during
Miguel's time

817
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:54,840
has the ability
to

818
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:59,640
and I'm going to try to quote him the
best I can

819
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:04,840
to do a version of the jetting and
scoping. In other words, to be able to

820
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:08,280
to to photograph what's going on inside
the pipe. I think it [clears throat] was

821
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:13,840
a matter of him getting to learn how to
use this device and some programming

822
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:18,240
that has to be done. So, in simplest
terms, it's not it's not like it would

823
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:21,880
be able to do the whole system, but we
would be able to do sections. And what I

824
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:27,200
need to do is get with him or we need to
get with him, look at that interceptor,

825
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:31,440
see how accessible the manholes are, and
where they're at. And I think we could

826
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:36,520
do a lot of that ourselves.
That'd be great because uh

827
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:40,360
I remember it costing like what? 40,000
or something? You remember that?

828
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:44,800
Yeah.
I think it had to do with the repairs

829
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:48,400
too, but yeah, it's expensive.
But it's really, you know, besides this

830
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:52,200
other system, it's the only way that we
can recognize

831
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:57,240
I and I accept it, you know, or at least
locate it if we have uh

832
01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:02,000
um
you know, it's it's kind of like

833
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:06,200
if it's on us to
to be

834
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:09,640
uh what is it? I I saw it. It's you
know, it's our responsibility and it

835
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:13,680
should be our expense
for the reduction. I mean, we we need to

836
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:16,960
figure out a way at least every 5 years
to do a jetting and scoping or or

837
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:21,680
something. You know, I don't know if
that's

838
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:24,960
something we we could take out of our
um

839
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,080
that fund.
>> Capital?

840
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,040
» Capital.
>> I'm not sure about that, but

841
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:32,800
» Capital fund?
>> I'm not either. I was going to say that

842
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:37,400
that this time with the removal of our
enterprise status, um all of our funds

843
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:40,360
are coming out of the general fund.
That's

844
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:45,240
» But we do have No, we do have that 5% We
do have that 5% that comes out of and it

845
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:49,440
goes into a separate fund.
Uh we're

846
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:52,440
that we're we're holding for capital
improvements, I would say.

847
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,480
Yeah. But that that
>> I would have to look into that, and I'd

848
01:05:53,560 --> 01:06:00,400
want the clerk to maybe just We should
all remind the clerk that we do at least

849
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:03,160
have a capital CIF fund um
on our budget as that's going to be

850
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:06,960
prepared here, too.
Um our budget will look a lot different

851
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:11,720
from last year as we have removed the
enterprise funds from that budget. So,

852
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:16,160
there will be quite a few
separate line items. It's all just going

853
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:19,840
to be bulked underneath um general fund.
So.

854
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:24,000
But I and I on the town system will come
from the town. That cost would come from

855
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:29,920
the general fund or another fund or a
grant system. That would not be on Baca.

856
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:33,960
And any I&I on Baca's end would be their
sole responsibility.

857
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,960
» Okay.

858
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:43,080
Then then that that number eight, I
guess, is the way it is. It's um we

859
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:46,360
can't There's nothing we can do about
you know. And it should be our

860
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:51,840
responsibility in some ways. I mean,
it's if we want to keep our system as

861
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:55,680
our system, then we need to
make sure that we're

862
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:59,520
taking care of it.
>> Well, there is a you know, some sort of

863
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:05,400
a cost-benefit analysis.
Every thousand gallons that uh we

864
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:10,480
do not send down the interceptor system
to the the plant um is

865
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:19,080
um approximately $8.33. We won't have to
pay.

866
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:22,400
So, um
and that I'm sure I and I there's

867
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:26,360
different types, there's different ways
to do that. Once again, not an engineer,

868
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:29,720
but you know,
I and I that occurs 24 hours a day adds

869
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,880
up.
>> Oh, for sure.

870
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,360
» It does.
>> So.

871
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,600
Okay.
>> The place where

872
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,520
» BODs.
Yeah.

873
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:43,320
» Right.
>> And slightly related to the BODs, uh

874
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:46,360
paragraph nine is the fats, oils, and
grease program.

875
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:51,840
Um [clears throat] this would partially
be the

876
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,840
related to

877
01:07:53,520 --> 01:08:01,560
the adoption of exhibit A. I'm sorry, I
lost that track, also.

878
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:07,920
Um the discharge permit um that the town
would also be signing.

879
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:13,000
Um it would probably be good for the
town to

880
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:16,880
look into
uh fats, oils, and grease program. Uh I

881
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:20,319
know there's not a lot of fryers in
town. Um that's definitely where some

882
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:25,359
things come from, but looking at our
restaurants, looking at the grocery

883
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:30,640
store, what is put down um any of those
drains um either on purpose or on

884
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:35,120
accident. Um floor drains are a lot of
times connected to your sewer system.

885
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:40,319
Um just things that are going into that.
So, a few things to discuss there. We

886
01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:44,080
also added in language again, town, just
trying to strengthen the the delineation

887
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:48,759
between the town system and Block and
Grand system.

888
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:51,560
» Ted, so you're aware, our municipal code
addresses fats, oils, and grease

889
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:55,279
program.
Not phrased that way, but

890
01:08:53,600 --> 01:09:00,080
those wordings are in there.
And uh Brent is if he hasn't done it

891
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:06,359
already
in the process of notifying first the

892
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:13,600
businesses and I think we put out a PSA
public service announcement as well to

893
01:09:08,799 --> 01:09:18,600
the rest of the community about that. Um
So, just so you're aware, we have that

894
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:23,960
wording. We're trying to do the best we
can and get it going. And uh we'll keep

895
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:27,920
doing it until until we accomplish that.
And that's directly tied

896
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:31,000
» But I did read that in our code and it's
directly tied like you said. I remember

897
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:35,640
going to say I'm sorry about to the
BODs. Um any biological matter that is

898
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:37,520
going down the drains, it is metered.
So.

899
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,720
» Yep.
>> Okay.

900
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:48,799
Uh paragraph 10 is pretreatment. I have
to be honest, I I would kind of defer to

901
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:52,839
Trustee Paz Lucero and Brent here. Um it
doesn't appear that this has changed at

902
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:57,920
all other than we're continuing to add
the word town in front of the word

903
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:57,920
system. So.

904
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:10,560
Uh moving on to 11.
Uh

905
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:15,040
the town is going to be bound by the
discharge permit

906
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:19,720
and the rules and regs um
of Baca Grande.

907
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:24,920
Really, this is tied to the fact that
most of the rules and regulations Baca

908
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:29,920
Grande is abiding by are state and
federal. It's not um there's not a lot

909
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,920
of

910
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:35,840
add-ons just for local concern.
Um

911
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:40,480
the district does not want to tie its
own hands by requiring it to do anything

912
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:44,640
or very much more than the state or the
feds are requiring. Also, but the town

913
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:47,400
is also subject to those rules and
regulations.

914
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:57,440
And they will be modified from time to
time as as rules and regs change.

915
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,440
Okay.

916
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:05,640
12 this a paragraph that I think we
added and I really do like this

917
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:09,200
paragraph. This is just at the trustee
recommendation and this was added a few

918
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:13,320
drafts ago.
Um, just once again, the town is going

919
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:16,720
to be responsible for its system, but
also just the delineation. This is the

920
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:20,680
town system.
Um, this is not a

921
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:26,840
buying project. This is not the Baca
Grande taking over the town. There is a

922
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:26,840
separation between the two systems.

923
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:39,360
13, there was a small addition after we
reworded um, the prior section about

924
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:43,800
plant expansion.
Um, just trying to really reiterate that

925
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:49,760
the town and Baca Grande are both going
to make efforts to obtain grants and low

926
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:54,920
interest loans related to any type of
upgrade or expansion to the system.

927
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:59,840
» I have a question about the loans.
>> Okay.

928
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:03,320
If uh, one of us is to apply for a loan,
that doesn't obligate the other party,

929
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:11,440
does it?
>> Not by this um, agreement. There are

930
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:15,360
some loans that do require a pledge of
fees.

931
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:21,240
So, basically your tap fees would go
first or I'm sorry, your user fees, your

932
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:25,920
monthly fees may go first to paying down
that grant. That is just part of the

933
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:29,240
grant program. Um, but to my knowledge,
the town has not entered into any of

934
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:33,280
those grants at this time, um, but that
would be something to consider. Um, but

935
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:37,560
it would not affect the district or the
town if either party was to go into

936
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:40,560
their own loan.
>> Okay.

937
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:44,640
» I I have not seen Baca Grande's books. I
haven't asked. I would I would bet that

938
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:50,800
they have multiple loans out um, at this
time just for operating.

939
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,800
Those do not affect us.

940
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:03,720
» Um 14, I
a

941
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:08,680
government cannot indemnify
another, that being a municipal

942
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:15,560
government, another individual.
Um so this section was left in with the

943
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:20,680
caveat of to the extent permitted by law
and without waving any governmental

944
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:23,720
immunity provided under our CRS.
Um so we are not providing any

945
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:28,440
indemnification to the other party at
this time. That's really how I read that

946
01:13:25,480 --> 01:13:30,320
section even with this being in here.
And also um

947
01:13:30,165 --> 01:13:36,160
» [snorts]
>> special district is considered a special

948
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:42,280
um subdivision and also they would have
an anti-indemnification statute also by

949
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,280
understanding and knowledge.

950
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:50,760
15 is an assignment clause. Um
Basically what that is really saying is

951
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:54,800
Baca Grande
is not going to make an assignment to

952
01:13:53,040 --> 01:14:00,400
allow um
another entity to run or operate Baca

953
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:05,120
Grande at this point in time.
Fairly default or I'm sorry, fairly

954
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:10,680
common contract language.
Um 16 is default. Talking about trying

955
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:14,440
to pay our our bills on time and also if
there's anything that we need from Baca,

956
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:18,600
there should be some time limits there
also.

957
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:23,080
17, notices. Um there may be a slight
change there. Um I might I made a

958
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:26,040
comment about our town manager.
I don't know if we want to have our town

959
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:28,880
manager
um

960
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:32,920
or just our clerk or even the board of
trustees

961
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:37,360
be who the notice is given to. I do like
having one individual

962
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:41,520
um be that that recipient.
So I guess at this time I would ask if

963
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:46,240
you have a
leaning toward that being our clerk or

964
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:50,040
if we are going to have a town manager
slash clerk, that might even be a

965
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:53,320
section to put in there.
And my last recommendation would be to

966
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:56,320
the
board of trustees.

967
01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:02,560
Partially also because the board of
trustees does not meet or is not in the

968
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:07,720
office four or five days a week, so it
may be some time before they get there,

969
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:12,680
which would possibly put us in
um conflict with any of our bills or our

970
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:16,960
notice requirements if we can't get back
to Baca Grande right away.

971
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:20,320
So, I would like a staff member there.
That would be my recommendation.

972
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:28,160
» Um
I don't think that we're going to be

973
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:32,200
hiring a manager in the next
year, two, three. I'm not sure how long,

974
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:35,720
but
so, I would definitely

975
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:40,640
uh put it as the clerk.
Um

976
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:45,280
I mean, it it even the clerk
clerk's office, maybe, because then it

977
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:49,040
could go through the aid as opposed to
just the clerk, you know, if the clerk

978
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:54,040
is out. For sure.
Clerk's office.

979
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:58,400
Do you guys agree with that?
>> Yes.

980
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,400
» Yes.

981
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:10,520
» That's an easy change.
And then 18, 19, 20, 21, 22,

982
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:13,840
23, 24, 25, 26, 27, and 28 um did not
change

983
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:17,800
at all other than having our numbering
be updated.

984
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,800
» Okay.

985
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:23,200
» Awesome.
>> Yeah.

986
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:27,640
» So, I know we're getting a little close
on time here. Um I would ask if we've

987
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:31,600
got a few more minutes,
can I just run through some of these

988
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:36,120
requests so that I have everything
written down? And if you have anything

989
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:42,120
you want to add, please let me know.
And then possibly just a few statements

990
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:45,240
now that we have the mayor there. Um
about the plant capacity, a few other

991
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:50,320
things you may not have heard at the
initial conversation of the meeting.

992
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:54,600
» I'm going to bow out. Seth, I really
appreciate it. And Dennis and Benji,

993
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:57,000
thank you very much. I'm going to head
to work.

994
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:59,440
» Okay.
>> All right. Thank you.

995
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:02,880
» Thank you, Trustee.
And I I guess I want to say while

996
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:07,280
everybody is here, um
I've got a conference in Crested Butte

997
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:11,120
this week. I really was hoping to go up
to the Energy Fair. And I hope to make

998
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:14,120
it next year. So, I've got some friends
that are headed up there. They're pretty

999
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:18,400
excited. So,
um yeah.

1000
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:22,760
» All right. Safe travels.
Enjoy Crested Butte.

1001
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:27,400
» Thanks, guys. Uh one of my
kiddo's mountain biking coaches is

1002
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:30,960
actually works for REC, and Brant is
going to meet up with him this week on a

1003
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:33,680
separate subject, but I told him to say
hi. So,

1004
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:36,960
» Hi, Seth.
>> Hey, Mayor Benji.

1005
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:42,760
» Yeah, see you. Have a good day.
>> So, Mayor, uh page one, no changes other

1006
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:45,800
than we just had the town, the word town
added, just really to delineate the town

1007
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:50,200
system.
>> Uh-huh.

1008
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:54,880
» Um page two, I have no changes in
two. I just have a note that that's an

1009
01:17:52,120 --> 01:18:01,080
approximate 5% change on the flow and a
6% change on the BOD.

1010
01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:07,040
We did have some questions to ask
um about the flow meter,

1011
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:11,080
if that could be
And I guess I don't have clear notes

1012
01:18:08,440 --> 01:18:15,680
here. Is the
overall direction to use our meter, in

1013
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:20,000
which case we would not have a backup
meter?

1014
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:23,160
And the second option would be to
purchase a new meter,

1015
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:26,880
in which case both parties would have a
backup meter, but the new meter would be

1016
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:30,120
the
um

1017
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:34,240
deciding factor. That would be the meter
that is read and binding on the parties.

1018
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:41,720
» And we were
we were going to because the meter that

1019
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:46,160
we have is just been recently funded and
installed. Um

1020
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:51,680
feeling that we should use that meter
and let either Baca use their old meter

1021
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:55,120
or buy a new meter for themselves.
>> Okay.

1022
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:59,600
Um I did ask Brent and he supplied me
with a lot of it. Um

1023
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:04,560
very specific information. The name,
make, model, manufacture date, um

1024
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:08,480
you know, some specs on the meter that
was installed and some background on

1025
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:13,440
that. I wanted to provide that to Mr.
Locke to provide to

1026
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:16,840
I forget his name, their individual that
would basically probably give their

1027
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:19,520
board some direction on his thoughts on
which meter to use if that would be

1028
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:24,600
acceptable.
The town would still be able to install

1029
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:28,440
a sec- second meter if they would like
just as a backup. But if we go with

1030
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:31,920
option one there using our meter, the
town would not have a backup meter. So

1031
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:35,240
» Right.
>> I would but we're using our meter

1032
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:39,400
specifically just to compare against
their readings, not um using it as a

1033
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:44,360
billing
format, right?

1034
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:49,240
» So the prior version of this contract
had

1035
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,240
um

1036
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:56,480
I don't want to say convoluted, but it
had two meters being read and the the

1037
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,120
ability to average them if there were
differences.

1038
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:02,600
» Right.
>> What Mr. Locke is proposing is cutting

1039
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:05,760
that out and just having one meter and
that meter being binding on the parties.

1040
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:10,120
That way there's not these
discrepancies, there's not back and

1041
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:14,080
forth. I think that gets into possible
billing issues in the future. Um but

1042
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:19,040
just going forward with one accurate
meter that both parties can um rely on

1043
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:22,760
and calibrate according to its its
records. I did just have some discussion

1044
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:24,785
that if the town wants to install a
second meter

1045
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:28,280
kind of as some oversight,
[clears throat] they could do so, but

1046
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:34,280
that cost would be on them.
Um there was discussion also

1047
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:39,800
if we do use the town meter,
um the district be reimbursing the town

1048
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:45,360
for some of those costs on that meter?
And I just want to be fair and upfront.

1049
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:50,560
If most of that cost came through a
grant, I would like that known and

1050
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:54,080
shared. So the cost may be lower, which
may be an incentive to use this meter

1051
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:57,360
also. But if there is some cost to
administer that grant, that should also

1052
01:20:55,600 --> 01:21:00,880
be split if that is what we decide to
do.

1053
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:06,520
» I have a question about using our meter.
Are they planning on then having access

1054
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:10,720
to our meter and billing us or are we
billing ourselves? Or what's the what's

1055
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:13,480
the
protocol?

1056
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:17,040
» not discussed here and I think that gets
into

1057
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:22,040
are these meters a foot apart?
Are they a mile apart? I don't know

1058
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:27,800
that. I did have discussion too with Mr.
Locke about if we installed a new meter,

1059
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:32,120
who would own that meter? And he really
didn't have a strong stance. I don't

1060
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:35,160
either. You know, there's pros and cons
there. I think both parties would have

1061
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:39,840
access to that.
In the end, somebody would have

1062
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:43,280
ownership of it, which would have some
small tax implications, I'm sure. But

1063
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:47,040
also both parties would be then
splitting any of the maintenance and the

1064
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:49,160
ongoing costs with how I would want that
to be done.

1065
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:53,560
» I guess
it just seems really confusing that I

1066
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:58,720
thought I thought the way we were doing
it was that they have a meter pit that

1067
01:21:55,520 --> 01:22:01,640
is further out and we were just going to
compare

1068
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:06,240
and make sure that we're within a
certain range of their meter.

1069
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:10,160
I would like to see
if that if if we're using our meter, you

1070
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:13,320
know, we we're going to need to have
some kind of agreement on how that works

1071
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:19,040
because
is it like that we rely on Brent to take

1072
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:21,120
readings and then he transfers them over
to

1073
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:25,200
Tabernacle Water?
>> Those are details that would need to be

1074
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:29,440
figured out. And what Mr. Locke was
really trying to do

1075
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:34,000
and my discussion also was eliminate
that gray area of 2 m.

1076
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:38,160
Um just have 1 m so that we're not
averaging meters. We don't have this

1077
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:42,880
argument of well, we're out of range of
16%. So now we're going to require a

1078
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:47,320
recalibration and an average for this
month. Um just having 1 m that is read

1079
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:52,480
and that is binding on the parties.
>> Okay. Well, I guess I guess my point of

1080
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:55,720
having 2 m was because
that way

1081
01:22:53,760 --> 01:23:00,040
we are checking each other. It was kind
of like a check and balance. Um

1082
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:03,320
if we're not going to do that, then I
would recommend that

1083
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:08,080
uh
that we split a meter and we have a

1084
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:12,640
separate meter for the town that we we
just check and

1085
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:17,560
and then the the second the meter that
they have is an updated, you know,

1086
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:23,560
high-level and and that we contribute to
that somehow because

1087
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:28,520
uh our meter is like on our property.
It's I think it's like

1088
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:33,000
you know, within our town boundaries.
Their meter is further out closer to

1089
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:37,000
their
their facility.

1090
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:41,080
Um
I don't know. I just I don't think it I

1091
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:44,880
don't think town should be using
uh you know, I I thought our meter was

1092
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:48,720
really just like a a check and balance,
but maybe I'm wrong. Do you remember

1093
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:52,760
that, Dennis?
>> You're right. That's That was the

1094
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:56,280
intent. The former ORC
um

1095
01:23:54,120 --> 01:24:00,600
I don't know. It was before my time, but
from what I understand, it convinced the

1096
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:06,680
board to go ahead and get the second
meter as a or get this meter as a checks

1097
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:13,560
and balances between the two because
there was suspicion among some people

1098
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:16,640
that we were being charged incorrectly
uh so on and so forth. And so well,

1099
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:21,760
okay, let's get another meter so we can
do the comparison. I still think it's a

1100
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:26,760
good idea for both sides, actually,
to be able to have two meters, calibrate

1101
01:24:24,440 --> 01:24:31,840
them both at the same time, you get the
same reading, and then see

1102
01:24:29,480 --> 01:24:35,920
uh as flow continues
where there is, if in fact there is a

1103
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:39,240
discrepancy,
and then we'll be able to track it down

1104
01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:44,200
further. To have one meter is going to
take us right back down the

1105
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:49,080
rabbit hole of suspicion that
it's not right.

1106
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:52,440
» Right. It puts us on It puts us on a uh
you know, that they

1107
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:55,880
they could say that, you know, our
meter's not correct or whatever. I I

1108
01:24:54,360 --> 01:25:00,800
just feel like if that's
>> Well, as written, this is asking for a

1109
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:03,240
new meter to be installed.
>> Okay.

1110
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:07,280
» Right. So, brand new meter, we're
starting our agreement with the new

1111
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:10,560
meter that's calibrated. I do not have,
you know, specifics about where the

1112
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:15,080
placement of that meter's going to be,
who would own that. Those are some

1113
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:19,120
questions I had. Um but as written, this
is going to ask for the parties to

1114
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:20,880
install a new meter, split that cost,
share that cost equally.

1115
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:26,880
» Okay.
>> And then, in all of reality,

1116
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:31,160
each party would have a backup meter
um that is simply for informational

1117
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:36,760
purposes, though. It may provide
information that we do want that new

1118
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:40,880
meter to be recertified or to be checked
a little more frequently.

1119
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:44,920
Um but what I was trying to do is
consider if the town has simply

1120
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:48,520
installed a brand new meter in the
recent past, it is state of the art,

1121
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:51,960
it's up to date. I don't know if that's
the case, but I understand that it's

1122
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:56,880
it's it's fairly good.
If we could share the cost of the meter

1123
01:25:54,120 --> 01:26:00,520
that we just installed, but what I'm now
understanding

1124
01:25:58,480 --> 01:26:04,440
is I think we do want to proceed with a
new meter

1125
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:08,080
that would be split by the parties.
The placement of that's to be

1126
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:13,400
determined. So, the install and purchase
would be split by the parties,

1127
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:17,280
and both parties would have meters
for a very just informational backup

1128
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:21,880
purposes. We would have still have a
removal of all that language about um

1129
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:26,320
averaging
um just separate meter reading I'm

1130
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:29,480
sorry, not separate meter readings.
Um I guess I have another question about

1131
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:34,200
who would be reading that that third
meter. It may be electronic. It would

1132
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:37,920
probably be an instantaneous thing, kind
of a monitoring log. So, it's it's

1133
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:44,320
constantly monitored. They're you're
removing some of that human error.

1134
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:48,560
Um but the town would have its new meter
that we installed previously this year

1135
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:53,480
as our backup and just kind of as a
question mark or a check. But that would

1136
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:57,600
incur a cost. Uh Mr. Locke said that he
thought that installing that new meter

1137
01:26:55,080 --> 01:27:01,880
may be about $10,000. So, it'd be about
$5,000 of the town's share.

1138
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:05,440
So, it's my understanding we're going to
continue with the

1139
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:10,960
» That would be a good place for our
capital improvement. I know that there

1140
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:15,960
was a limit like $5,000 was like our low
end, but of what we could

1141
01:27:13,440 --> 01:27:20,920
use that money for. We it had to be more
than 5,000 or something I

1142
01:27:18,440 --> 01:27:26,680
I remember correctly, but I we do have
this little fund that we we get from

1143
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:33,120
sales tax that is specifically for
capital improvements, and I think that

1144
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:33,120
that would be ideal spot to use this.

1145
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:40,520
» Okay.
Um well, I think that that actually

1146
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:43,480
takes out a lot of my edits to this
section. There are just simply some

1147
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:46,320
questions
about where that placement of the meter

1148
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:51,280
may be.
If that's electronically monitored, um

1149
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:55,240
and just how that goes. Um few questions
to figure out there. The town would be

1150
01:27:52,880 --> 01:28:00,160
able to keep its meter as a backup if
need be, and just also as a check.

1151
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:04,560
» Good.
>> I under

1152
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:09,040
As I understand, Mayor,
I just want to bring this up.

1153
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:12,960
That meter will
take samples also,

1154
01:28:11,480 --> 01:28:17,520
and there will be some hand samples
taken for the BODs.

1155
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:20,600
Um they're trying to once again prevent
some of this discrepancy, this gray

1156
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:26,120
area.
Um currently Sangre de Cristo Labs in

1157
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:29,920
Alamosa is used by the town and Baca to
do the BOD measurements.

1158
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:35,360
Um we tried to remove this language
about discrepancies in the two readings.

1159
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:40,040
Just have the lab reading be our final
our final say. Um if a lot of this does

1160
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:43,760
come from our electronic meter anyway,
I'm just trying to eliminate some of

1161
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:47,880
this gray area. So
A lot of questions there, but no edits

1162
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:50,240
to section two
either.

1163
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:54,040
» Okay.
>> Um

1164
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:58,000
moving on to section three,
I wanted to say that I had a lot of back

1165
01:28:56,440 --> 01:29:00,560
and forth with the group. Did you hear
this already, Mayor?

1166
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:02,600
» No.
>> Okay.

1167
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:06,560
Um
this section does

1168
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:13,160
make the
increases in cost of service to the town

1169
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:17,520
at the sole discretion of Baca Grande.
However, that's tempered that they also

1170
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:24,080
still have to be in good faith.
This is a long run-on sentence

1171
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:28,960
and what I am trying to take out of this
is that the district

1172
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:36,200
is not going to
consider fees or charges

1173
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:40,760
for costs to their system that do not
benefit the town

1174
01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:45,720
into an increase in service the town
sees.

1175
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:47,720
If there is a major repair, a blowout on
the

1176
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:53,040
on the
Baca's system, on say the the far south

1177
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:57,000
end, that is not attributable to the
town.

1178
01:29:54,320 --> 01:30:03,320
Um what is attributable to the town
is costs

1179
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:07,920
in infrastructure being
what I call what I'm calling now the

1180
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:07,920
interceptor system.

1181
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:15,680
The operation of the plant, and the
administration of the plant

1182
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:19,320
um providing wastewater treatment
services to the town. And then those

1183
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:23,240
would also be
um

1184
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:26,120
determined in some percentage factor. I
I I'm not saying this is correct, but

1185
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:30,400
I'm saying a third. If the town's a
third of the plant capacity currently,

1186
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:33,440
um those increases would be a third
proportional to the town's rate

1187
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:38,240
increase.
Here, if I may, I guess I should back

1188
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:38,240
up. Um

1189
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:46,480
No, I'm sorry, that is next system.
That's the next paragraph. Um so, a lot

1190
01:30:43,480 --> 01:30:50,960
of back and forth went on there, but the
um the very last part of that sentence,

1191
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:55,000
and not increases in infrastructure
operation, administration, or other

1192
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:58,480
costs over time of providing wastewater
treatment services to the district's

1193
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:01,840
other customers.
So, there should be some delineation

1194
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:05,680
there in those fees.
If there is a major project that goes on

1195
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:09,480
on the south end of Baca, that should
not affect an increase in our fees and

1196
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:12,200
our rates. That may be attributable to
their other their customers, but not the

1197
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:16,320
town.
>> And that's in good faith. So, I mean, we

1198
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:20,680
» Yes, that is tempered in good faith,
which

1199
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:24,080
is ripe for litigation, but it's a it's
That's just what it is.

1200
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:29,240
So.
Um section four,

1201
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:33,000
I I wanted to to start with a small
background. Mr. Locke

1202
01:31:31,480 --> 01:31:37,200
shared that
they have done some updates to meters

1203
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:40,680
and their facility.
Um

1204
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:45,840
It currently appears
that the plant capacity is around more

1205
01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:50,080
of a 60% rating
instead of the 80% they were talking

1206
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:57,360
about in the last year or two.
Um in his opinion, that pushes back a

1207
01:31:54,480 --> 01:32:01,560
requirement of building a new plant for
quite a few years, hopefully the tail

1208
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:06,000
end of this contract. Um so, rewriting
this, they are not in the process of

1209
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:11,000
building a new plant. They do anticipate
some expansion and some updates. He

1210
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:16,880
talked specifically about ventilation
updates in the plant and some uh

1211
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:20,200
uh PR matters trying to make the plant
just a little more um personnel

1212
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:23,960
friendly.
Um, so definitely right now at this time

1213
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:27,200
though, building a new plant is not
something they're looking at. He's very

1214
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:29,600
happy to share that.
>> Yeah.

1215
01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:33,280
» Um
There are some changes here at the

1216
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:38,160
bottom.
Um, the funding by a grant

1217
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:42,440
um, that's that's just edited. It's not
removed in any way. The town can still

1218
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:49,840
pursue any grants that it needs, any
low-interest loans for its potential

1219
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:53,920
share of the expansion or updates.
Um, there is a calculation here. I've

1220
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:59,640
got a lot of notes on this math.
Um, but what it does is it ties our flow

1221
01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:05,520
and our BOD reading
um, together. They are both responsible

1222
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:09,720
at 50% for any increase here.
So any decrease we make in our flow or

1223
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:16,680
our BOD
is um very set and it does or would

1224
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:21,560
decrease any potential share of uh
expansion that the town would have.

1225
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:21,560
» Okay.

1226
01:33:30,440 --> 01:33:35,480
» So there were quite a few changes there.
I think a lot of it really is

1227
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:39,680
wordsmithing.
Um

1228
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:42,680
but just trying to make this as easy to
read as possible.

1229
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:51,320
I believe the flow
decreased and also the BOD numbers

1230
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:55,480
decreased to get it from that 80% to 60%
and those are just ranges, but that's

1231
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:57,120
what Mr. Locke was sharing with me.
>> Hm.

1232
01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:02,760
I think
>> Um, so any any changes were any changes

1233
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:07,080
or edits requested on section four?
>> No, I was just going to say that's a

1234
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:10,080
pretty big drop in what they thought.
Um

1235
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:14,320
Surprised they got to that point where
they

1236
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:16,800
dropped it 20 20 whole
basis

1237
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:20,720
» Approximately. Yeah.
>> I mean that's Yeah. I mean that's great

1238
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:25,160
news, but it's also like
for the past, you know,

1239
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:28,040
few years it's been going on with the
fact that, you know, they're at 80%

1240
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:32,480
they're going to have to expand, blah
blah blah. So

1241
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:37,200
a lot of
finger pointing.

1242
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:40,520
» Finger pointing and yeah, I mean
were they using the best information

1243
01:34:38,440 --> 01:34:45,480
possible? I don't know. But apparently
they're sharing what they have now, so

1244
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:50,000
» That's good.
>> Um the

1245
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:55,240
section B there was struck,
but that was actually added back in

1246
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:59,600
under 3A. So that entire paragraph that
is struck was really moved back to 3A.

1247
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:08,120
And by my notes that gets us back to
section seven, which is the district

1248
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:12,000
wastewater collection system impact
fees, which I believe you were present

1249
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:13,520
for.
>> Mhm.

1250
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:15,920
» Okay.
>> Yeah.

1251
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:26,480
» Okay, so my proposal for the board is
that I am going to work on some of these

1252
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:31,200
changes. I will have a
draft sent over to the board for their

1253
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:34,680
review. They probably won't take any
action on it, but I would like some

1254
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:39,800
comments
if anything that I have is wrong, um not

1255
01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:43,040
stated clearly enough.
I would like to try to provide this to

1256
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:47,080
Mr. Locke.
They have a board meeting on the 25th,

1257
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:50,800
so a few days before that if at all
possible.

1258
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:54,720
So I would like to have this draft sent
out to the board next week.

1259
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:59,520
And if I could possibly have any
comments back by Friday

1260
01:35:57,440 --> 01:36:05,720
so that we could then send this back to
Mr. Locke on the 20th or at least the

1261
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:05,720
23rd, which is a Monday.

1262
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:08,360
» Okay.

1263
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:14,480
Yeah, uh 23rd.
And then

1264
01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:20,400
we would have it brought up at our board
meeting in October or would it be for

1265
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:25,760
this mid mid meeting?
>> Uh the 25th, I don't know if they will

1266
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,760
have any

1267
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:33,560
any comments back to us on the 26th for
your second meeting?

1268
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:37,680
Or no, I'm sorry. Are you meeting on the
23rd or the 26th?

1269
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:41,160
» Uh we are meeting on
>> the 23rd.

1270
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:44,560
» 23rd. I I won't be here though. I'll be
out of town. Um

1271
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:48,240
» So, they will not have comments back
because they will not have met by the

1272
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:50,640
23rd. So, this would be in our October
meeting.

1273
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:54,320
» Are we are we supposed to be doing a
public hearing on this or is this kind

1274
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:59,840
of something that um
just goes in the public meeting?

1275
01:36:56,920 --> 01:37:02,200
» This is an IGA. Um at this time I do not
think a public hearing is required on

1276
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:04,480
this.
>> Okay.

1277
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:08,160
So, if
if

1278
01:37:05,440 --> 01:37:14,360
the wording gets worked out and
and um we do we I mean, can't could it

1279
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:19,360
get approved on the 7th?
>> Uh

1280
01:37:15,480 --> 01:37:19,360
» Sorry, not the 7th, the 14th.

1281
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:27,720
Or would it be worth having a special
>> No, I would say it could. I think in all

1282
01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:33,840
reality though, it will probably be
the 28th.

1283
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:37,000
Um I think the 14th is
pushing it a little.

1284
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:40,440
» Okay. 28th.
>> one more round of back and forth in

1285
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:42,960
between now and then.
>> Okay.

1286
01:37:44,440 --> 01:37:49,880
Seth, you
uh do you feel overall like there's been

1287
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:56,560
some real progress and that we're now
finally coming into a a good

1288
01:37:53,240 --> 01:38:01,520
agreement with them and we're
you know, there's no like from a legal

1289
01:37:59,440 --> 01:38:06,360
point of view or a lawful point of view
that you're

1290
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:10,520
you're comfortable protecting this
contract?

1291
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:14,640
» Definitely. I really think that a lot of
it is a carryover from our original

1292
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:18,360
contract. We didn't really have any
issues in 20 years.

1293
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:22,120
Um
I hope to

1294
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:27,000
This is not legally. I hope that the
parties are participating together and

1295
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:31,480
find this mutually beneficial.
Um that is something I think is is

1296
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:35,080
needed out of contract law.
Um

1297
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:39,960
It's very easy to point at a contract
that's created and you have an issue

1298
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:44,120
come up and say, "Well, why did Why was
that not addressed?"

1299
01:38:41,440 --> 01:38:48,280
Uh while you're creating a contract
and I am trying to look 20 years into

1300
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:52,040
the future
there're probably going to be an issue

1301
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:55,280
or two come up. That is just all there
is to it. There are things that I did

1302
01:38:53,680 --> 01:39:01,760
not anticipate.
Um but I don't see any of those glaring

1303
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:04,760
at this time that I can eliminate. So
Um it's very easy to point at the guy

1304
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:11,040
that wrote the last contract and say,
"Why didn't you address that?" Um it

1305
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:14,680
That's just life. So
>> Well, in 20 years I'll be 97 96. So

1306
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:17,080
» Mhm.
>> Okay. I'm good with that.

1307
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:21,600
» And still have
>> you're still drinking good water and

1308
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:21,600
your toilet still flushes.

1309
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:26,800
» Hopefully I have a reason to flush the
toilet.

1310
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:33,400
Oh.
Okay. [clears throat]

1311
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:36,000
Thank you, sir.
I'm glad this is coming to an end. I

1312
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:40,040
really am.
>> I believe they are too. I will try to

1313
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:45,560
work on this. I
I am very busy today and the I have

1314
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:49,960
conferences from 8:00 to 5:00 Saturday
and Sunday. So, I'm going to hope to get

1315
01:39:47,480 --> 01:39:52,200
this out to you by the early part of
next week.

1316
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:56,680
Um that's my goal.
>> like we're we're not rushing it. So, I I

1317
01:39:54,400 --> 01:40:01,760
mean, what we've you know, we're
we we know what we we discussed today

1318
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:06,160
and and we're
you know, really it just has to come,

1319
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:10,040
you know, early before the next uh
meeting that we have on the I would say

1320
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:15,600
before the
14th meeting if we had it like a week or

1321
01:40:12,480 --> 01:40:20,720
two before that, we'd be happy.
>> I would anticipate that Mr. Locke gets

1322
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:24,200
it back to us by the 30th.
>> All right. Okay.

1323
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:28,320
» That would be my hope.
>> Okay.

1324
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:30,840
» And uh we'll see where we're at on on
the 30th.

1325
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:30,840
» Okay.

1326
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:36,440
Sounds great.
>> Okay.

1327
01:40:34,440 --> 01:40:40,680
Well, I have these notes. Uh best of
luck in

1328
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:46,080
» Florida.
>> Florida. I was going to say Mexico,

1329
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:49,320
but Florida. Um
Trustee also Pezlusney, if you need

1330
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:54,240
anything, please give me a call. Thank
you and Brent for his help this week.

1331
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:56,520
And um
until next time, gentlemen.

1332
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:58,480
» Yeah.
Wait. I have

1333
01:40:57,200 --> 01:41:02,240
» Have a good
Adios.

1334
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:02,240
» Adios.