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Good evening. I'm sorry. Good morning. Good evening, sir. Good morning. Okay. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Auxiliary University College of Communities and State Department, which is special as well.

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Good evening ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the City Council meeting from Monday, January 13th, 2020. Please rise from the pledge of allegiance and remain standing for a brief invocation.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

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One nation, one nation, one nation, and there's a liberty in justice for all.

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As we call to order our first meeting in 2020, let us take a moment to be thankful for all that we have been given,

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and for bringing all of us together in this new year. I am proud to serve with each and every one of you.

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May we give ourselves in ways that make a difference to our families, and to our town, and may we maintain our focus with determination and vision for our community.

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For all of this, along with a few doses of good luck and grace, we give our thanks. Amen.

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That being said, if your comments have to do with the particular item or our agenda, we would respectfully request that you hold your comments to that particular item.

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With all that being said, is there anybody that would like to address the city council on any other matters this evening?

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Let's move along next night.

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Acceptance of the agenda.

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Move on.

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Any discussion? Mr. Wayne?

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Aye.

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Mrs. Silverman?

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Dr. Selma.

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Aye. Dr. Lawrence.

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Aye. Dr. Holley?

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Aye.

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Mrs. Basel?

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Mr. Travis?

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Please.

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Please.

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Now, as Mr. City Council meets the second and fourth Monday of each month, 16 to 7 PM.

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More questions?

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7 PM regular meeting in the city council.

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Thank you.

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The next time.

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Consent agenda.

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Move on.

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Aye.

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Mrs. Basel?

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Aye.

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Dr. Lawrence?

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Aye.

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Dr. Selma?

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Mr. Selma?

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Mr. Selma?

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Consent agenda is approved unanimously.

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Next item.

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Bill's pay a little report for information only.

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Thank you.

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Next item.

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Please.

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On finished business item two, Bill number 5803 in ordinance.

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I'm ending.

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Code section 210.48478.

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And adding code section 210.3330.

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Regarding limitations on the use of drones in the city,

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eligible to find a reading and passage for the second.

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Mr. Perkins?

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I don't know anything yet.

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Mr. Law.

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Please.

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Please.

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Department have anything further to add on this.

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Questions or comments?

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Mr. White?

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I do.

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I was looking at this and it says.

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No person shall use direct or control any unman aircraft.

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Related there to source to cause it to.

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Take off from a land on any property owned by the city.

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I was going to suggest maybe.

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Something like to cause it to operate in the airspace above any property owned by the city.

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Because somebody can.

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You know, if you just take off and land and property and still fly around inside and you subvert the whole notion of this ordinance.

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Mr. Woodward.

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I understand the point you're making with the issue.

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We face is that we don't have control over the airspace.

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It's subject to that.

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It's also.

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Anybody that's lawfully flying.

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Can fly over the airspace over our property.

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But what the can control is that they can't.

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You know, actually use the property as their place of.

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Take off.

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So I talked to FAA controls 400 feet above.

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And drones can fly below.

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I think that's correct.

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If we wanted to get that specific.

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But that's the police in the situation of.

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I understand if somebody's fine at 20 feet.

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They know they're at 20 feet.

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But if there are 390 or 410, they're not going to be able to tell.

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But.

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I mean, it certainly we could look at making their additional change.

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That's the direction that he likes to look at.

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That's also going to suggest that they be able to produce a.

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Registration card.

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So we have the provision that they have to show compliance with all regulations.

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So the police can ask for that kind of identity.

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Whatever.

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Say I understand now, which means.

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These comfortable with that.

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That explanation.

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I think.

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We can we can do a further.

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Maybe add that as an additional.

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Regulation.

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You know the whole notion.

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You know the two types of drones.

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The the UAS.

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And then there's the UAS is unmanned air system.

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And then the FPV is the first person view.

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So that one has no metadata at all.

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No GPS signature.

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And also you can even tell where it's been.

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So at least this way if they can see something flying above.

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They can take action.

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This.

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I can.

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I'll look into that for a.

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Other questions or comments from numbers of the city council.

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Is there anybody in the audience that would like to address.

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Build number 58 or three to see if they.

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Well, we ready to load all this.

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Um.

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I think so.

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It's okay.

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We have a motion in a second.

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Right.

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The vote.

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Dr. Lauren.

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Dr.

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Hi.

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This is.

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Hi.

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This is.

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Hi.

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Dr. Son.

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Hi.

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Build number 58.

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Three passes.

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Next.

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I'm three.

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Bill number.

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Four.

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And ordinance.

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I mean code sections.

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To 10.530 to 10.540 and to 10.545.

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Mr. Perkins.

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I have nothing.

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Police department.

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Have anything further on this.

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Mr. Lovely anything.

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Questions or comments from numbers of the city council.

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Is there anybody in the audience that would like to address.

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Build number 58 or four this evening.

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Ready for the vote.

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Dr. Son.

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This is.

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This is.

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This is.

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This is.

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Mr. Wayne.

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Mr. Trevor.

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This is.

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Dr. Houghty.

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Dr. Lawrence.

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The number 58.

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Four passes.

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You may.

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Next item.

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Please.

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Number 58.

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Five and ordinance.

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A minute.

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A minute.

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Public works fees.

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Schedule.

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Title four of the city code.

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Ornances.

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I'll try to ring in passage.

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Problems.

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That.

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Mr. Houghty.

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Mr. Houghty.

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Mr.aiah.

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First of all.

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Hello, M Public.

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Are there this information?

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This is a vote on on hearing of such a рук.

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This is basically.

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Dr Hawk.

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Hi, Dr. Lawrence.

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Mr. Wong.

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Please.

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Is this.

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Yeah, a few things on the substitute bill. First of all, it establishes an effective data

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March 1st. So if approved tonight, these fees will go into effect March 1st. As part

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of that effort, staff will notify the public. We'll put a note card on our counter. We'll

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put information on the website and generally let folks know that these new changes will

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be an effect March 1st. The other change at the substitute bill brings forth is there was

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one recommended new fee and that's for title verifications or requests for specials or

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for leans. Title companies facts to the community of open department about 450 to 500 of

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these requests a year. And we felt that that is a high volume of service or a specialized

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request and that's something that we felt we needed a charge for. We had originally

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proposed a $40 fee to that. Since that time, we received several communications from

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title companies opposing that fee and I believe those letters are in your packet for your

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review. And we have gone back and looked at that and the bulk of the information that is being requested

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from the title companies we feel, while the volume's high, the staff time to do it is relatively

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minimal. We didn't note that St. Louis County charges $5 per letter. However, we felt that

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that was a minimal amount of a fee in order for us to try to process and avoid and collect

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that. We don't have a very expeditious way to do that. So at this time, we're recommending

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that that just fee just be eliminated. We can maybe revisit that in a few years. We might have

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new permit system online that can maybe handle a smaller payment at that time. But anyway,

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that substitute bill does remove that fee. And then finally, the last item on this substitute

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bill is we've combined just some of the wording of the other verification fees into one

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fee structure beyond that. There are no further changes.

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have any questions?

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Chancellor.

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I apologize.

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I have a

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Thank you, thank you for being here.

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Let's see if we can just welcome the problem.

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Presently the way the ordinance reads is that we can, when we stop a job, we can double

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the permit fee and assess up to a $500 penalty.

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What this suggests is not a fee, but the collecting has to grow on these stop work

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yard jobs.

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So, it's really not a big change in what we have to do.

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Now, what's happened is, the city is building a vision, issues about 250 to 300 stop work

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yarders a year, most of them are residential projects.

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And we charge an escrow, presently we charge an escrow, if the estimated construction

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cost for these projects is valued at $5,000 or more.

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So a lot of times when we stop a job, we ultimately do get an application for a building

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permit, and the estimated cost invariably is less than $5,000.

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So as a deterrent, the $500 escrow is recommended for all stop work yarders, even if

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they give us an estimated cost of $1,000 or $2,000, or the case may be.

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So this is an escrow?

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Yes.

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That was a clear review.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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Go ahead.

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On a different degree on the certificate of occupancy, and now you want to diswish

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to $500 to why only $500, if someone is in an, if they don't have their certificate of occupancy,

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and we don't discover it for two or three months, that's months that they've gone rent on

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that.

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Look, it doesn't seem like even $500 would be enough to not circumvent the program, and if we're

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raising it to prevent people from circumventing the program is $500 enough in this sort of

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limit to what that penalty can be.

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It means 90 to one month's worth of rent in those locations.

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The present fee are penalty for that.

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Illegal reoccupancy is $175.

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So the $500 was based on other jurisdictions, what they charge for illegal reacts.

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That's the number that we came up that we thought this go around was a fair increase.

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Could it be more, shouldn't it be more?

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Well, that's at the city council, I think, what we do as a matter of billing these apartment

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communities is when there's an illegal reoccupancy, we become aware of it, as part of the monthly

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invoice, there's sent a breakdown of the COs that we've issued and the illegal COs that

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we discovered, and that's where that dollar amount appears.

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So going from $175 to $500, the building division thought that would be a fair increase

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at this point in time.

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If it continues, then I think we would come back to the city council.

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If that's trying that is pointed out in that table, continues to go up, then I think we look

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at raising that fee even more.

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I mean, it's gone up every year for the last five years, and we are just now increasing it.

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So I would not be against raising it to something that would actually be able to make a

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difference as opposed to, by the time we get the information that they are continuing, you know,

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153 debt we've caught is a lot in my opinion in a year, 153 in a year, $500 is not even a

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one month.

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Rent, I mean, it almost doesn't, it doesn't feel like it would be enough of a deterrent to me.

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If there are already doing it, then obviously the deterrent wasn't enough of a deterrent to begin with.

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But I don't know that increasing it to a amount that's still not going to, I mean, if they're looking at purely from a financial point of view,

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that they're not doing this, then $500 is not going to be enough to change it, I would think.

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Not when you can be three months without or six months or 153.

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Well, that's for fiscal year, yeah, that's for fiscal year 2018, fiscal year 2019 and it went up to 238.

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Now, it's a significant increase from 54 when we started to two and five years and we have not increased it in the last five years.

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I don't know how the rest of the council feels, but I would be in favor of increasing that amount.

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If we're if unless there's state limits on how much we can increase that.

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Well, it's not really a court fine, so it's just a scene that says charging the time we've evolved, so we have to get a challenge at the end.

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I mean, the whole point is to protect the, you know, the residents of those places and and their neighbors, you know, that that it's not like we just do this for the benefit, there's a safety issue, which is why we required these.

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I would say though that it'd remember it is a fee and not a fine, so for that reason, I do think we want to.

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Well, it's not I'm not saying increased what the actual cost have occupancy done is I'm saying if you don't get the occupancy done, so it's a penalty as opposed to just a random fee that we're giving them, I'm not saying increase the fee, I'm saying increase the penalty.

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It's technically a fee that's not being opposed by.

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And I asked you don't think 500 dollars is necessarily a small amount of money.

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I mean, to your point, I sort of hear that that I also, I mean, 500 dollars is not worth giving it a shot.

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And I think we also do need to be cognizant of that it does have to be linked to what it cost us.

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And I think that that argument can certainly be made when we're talking about our occupancy inspections, but I don't know how much higher we can go and still make that argument.

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Well, then can we look any year, can we maybe agree any year we come back and see if this is made any difference whatsoever.

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Like if the numbers are still continuing on the rapid increase any year from now.

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Why I think the building to be doing would have no objection to that.

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Then then I would like to do that. At least put it on the minute set in a year we're going to revisit and see what the actual numbers are and if this is made enough of an impact.

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Other questions or tell this from the British in the city council.

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Mr. Honster, do you have anything further than you'd like to add?

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Not on the fees, go to a note.

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I do have a number of speaker cards and we have there are some letters in your packet.

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Barbara Siri, did you still want to address this issue?

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Sure. If you please come forward and state your name and address for the record please we do report our procedure.

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Wendy Chromer and I'm representing the Missouri Land Title Association and Security Title Insurance Agency at 1-3355 Olive Boulevard.

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And now that you've introduced a substitute bill eliminating the fee to title companies first slide I'd like to say thank you.

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We appreciate that very much and I just wanted to go on record is stating that.

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Any time that the city has an issue with the title industry we would welcome you to contact our association.

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We actually have a zone committee set up for the St. Louis Metropolitan area and we're you know we we would appreciate the opportunity to work together to create better ways and you know better ways of working together.

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Instead of just jumping to fees and fines.

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So but we do appreciate you substituting the new legislation.

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Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you for being here tonight.

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Barbara Siri, did you want to speak?

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Thank you. My name is Barbara Siri, I'm the past president for the Missouri Land Title and I also in the COO of a title company that is located in the Paragon Building Increate Corps.

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I reiterate what Wendy said we're really very very pleased we got here tonight.

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We were prepared to think that we were going to have to have a hard battle with a very impressive board but we are very very pleased that you have reconsidered it and that that assessment is not going to that fee is not going to go in.

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We look at it as that we provide a service to you and to your community by collecting the leans that you assess against the properties within your boundaries.

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And we want to continue to do that and we don't want to do it where if a closing doesn't happen the title company has to pay that fee.

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Nor do we want it to be a pass through that will be impacting your potential buyers are your existing sellers.

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And so that's the point that I kind of wanted to make.

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I follow up with what Wendy said as well, the Missouri Land Title Association will work with you any day, any time.

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Wendy is also a past president and we know how important it is for the communities to be strong and for our relationship with the community, the community council to be strong.

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Also, I would greatly appreciate this is just sort of my own public personal note.

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If something like this comes up again being.

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Of our corporate office is inside of creep core.

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We didn't receive any notice about this.

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I found out about it from Missouri Land Title.

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So I think maybe however those notices go out maybe a little better job on that would be very very helpful.

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So that we are prepared.

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But once again, thank you and thank you for reconsidering.

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We're proposing on the first place.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for your comments.

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Thank you.

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Laura Hardy.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for being here.

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Is there anybody else in the audience that would like to address substitute bill number 58 or five this evening?

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City council.

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Any further questions?

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Mr.

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Nothing further.

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Thank you.

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We're ready to vote on this issue.

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Dr. Sonberg.

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Mrs. Delphoza.

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Hi.

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Mr. Silverman.

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Mr. Wang.

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Mr. Trevor.

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Mrs. Basin.

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Dr. Hoffman.

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Hi.

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Dr. Lawrence.

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Substitute bill number 58.

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Passes.

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Next item please.

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Your business.

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I am five.

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It's an ordnance adapting code section 23.

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Two three zero point nine zero zero nine zero regarding request for accommodations pursuant to the federal fair housing act.

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I'll go first reading.

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Mr.

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Mr. Lundley.

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May I like to just briefly summarize this.

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We looked at other communities and thought that the city would benefit from having a formally established set of procedures so that if we face it.

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Another situation.

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Under the Fair Housing Act to stay up and better guide someone along the way.

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So the city gets full consideration to any request for reasonable accommodations.

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I think we did a good job.

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One of the representatives with that we kind of had to invent procedures as we went.

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And this will give us a little more structure to someone who is perhaps new to the community.

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They can look on the website and see how to present their issues.

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Thank you Mr. Lundley.

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Questions or comments?

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Members of the City Council.

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Dr. Lawrence.

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I want to ask you a question about the land sentence section A on page or a page.

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It's said for least property in the question of who the current state is for.

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From the property on a different one available.

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Or an explanation.

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It's just a related question.

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Probably.

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I think it's really important.

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I think we need to expand.

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How we expect to.

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We can attack the power of the order.

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Or just say.

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I have to have a lot of good property.

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Well, the reason we weren't comfortable making that a precondition is.

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Someone could actually be in a dispute with the property owner.

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It was declining to provide an accommodation that might be lawfully required.

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We thought the city should be independently looking at this.

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And so we want to know what's going on.

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But we're not making it a precondition to city action.

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If the city looks at it and determines that the accommodation is warranted.

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The city can approve it.

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The perspective tenant might still have to.

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Have to speak with the landlord about their rental situation.

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But just like we don't get involved in arbitrating subdivision indentures.

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We can't involve in a week's either.

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We just can give you a combination to what we require.

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If my own intern was like.

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In the last instance, I don't think the property owner.

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Doesn't form.

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Which I've made it different from all.

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Well, I think the lease in Asia wasn't formed.

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This is the information we got.

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So that means that the property owner wasn't formed constructively.

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And that's their problem from that communicating.

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But again, I think whatever this, you know,

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the city had made other decisions.

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If the request hadn't been modified.

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Whether or not to landlord agree with the city.

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The city's making its own.

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Fair enough.

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The questions are published from members of the city council.

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Is there anybody in the audience that would like to address.

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Building number 586 to safety?

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This is the first reading in this bill.

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We will take it up again.

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And our next regularly scheduled city council meeting,

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which is on Monday, January 27.

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Next item.

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Bill number 587 in ordinance.

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And many of the adopted 2020 budgets of the city of Green Court

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by authorizing an additional appropriation.

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Authorizing the transfer between public safety sales tax funds.

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And the general fund.

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I'll just go for a short reading.

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Mr. Purpose.

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Yes.

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You'll see the memo from is overmole our director of finance.

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The biggest element of this budget amendment is the fact that

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we have changed our process for dispersing holiday pay to officers.

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Holiday pay is paid in lieu of them taking those holidays.

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Because of their work schedule.

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In with our new finance software we have found that it is.

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The system is much more conducive to simply paying out holiday pay as we go

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throughout the year.

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Each time a holiday is incurred.

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As opposed to all at the end.

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The new program was just going to be quite a bit easier for the department

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and the finance department to track the holiday pay on an ongoing basis

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and to spur sit on an ongoing basis.

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But by doing that that means we are.

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We've already dispersed for the previous year.

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And now we are dispersing it early.

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You know for this next year.

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So we needed to make a budget amendment.

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And this is a one time adjustment in order to make allow for that change.

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There's also a purchase order that you see.

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That was a carryover from our tire or software that money was.

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It was encumbered but it not actually been included in the budget for about $12,900.

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So those are the two.

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Budget amendments.

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Your request.

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Thank you Mr. Perkins.

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Questions?

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Members of the city council.

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Is there anybody in the audience that would like to address bill number 5807 this evening?

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Again this is the first reading of this bill.

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We'll take it up again at our meeting on January 27th.

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Next time.

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And in seven bill number 5808 an ordinance repealing article two building code of chapter 500

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of the city code of ordinances of the city creep court and enticing in lieu of their

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a new article to building code as a bookstore first read.

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Mr. Perkins.

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Mr. Perkins.

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Mr. Perkins.

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Where would I be out of order if I revisited that apartment reoc on the issue?

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There was one thing I wanted to add that I don't know city councils of the world.

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So the other thing that happens within a legal department of react, when we discover that,

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we fill out a quarter of an affiday with two.

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So in addition to the bill they get for that penalty fee, they are also taking the court

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for the purpose of gaining a fine.

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Now that amounts usually amounts to an additional $200.

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But if it's if they have moved in illegally and there are life safety-related issues,

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such as a deteriorating deck, smoke detectors that don't work, bedroom windows that won't stay open.

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The court can assess up to a thousand dollar penalty. So two things will still happen with this passage

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of this higher penalty on the fee schedule. That will go up from 175 to 500, and there still will be

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court action. The next five ordinances are to adopt new codes for the city. About every

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six to seven years, the city looks at adopting newer codes, more recent codes, codes change

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as a result of code change hearings of a national level. They change because there have been accidents, deaths,

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other things that have happened that the code is trying to prevent. So this go around, we're looking to move

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from the 2009 ICC codes International Code Council. They publish the codes to the 2015 versions.

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So tonight is an introduction to those two codes, 15 codes, and there are five of them. One of them

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is a new code that ICC has published. It's the International Swimming Pool and Spock Code. That

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used to be part of the International Residential Code in an appendix. The issues surrounding pools

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have become more prevalent in terms of sanitation, safety, other issues like that. So the ICC felt

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00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:54,160
it was necessary to publish a code just to address that. So that's how that code came about.

499
00:31:54,160 --> 00:32:07,160
The with and less Council of Jax tomorrow, we will post on the city's website, a notice, public

500
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:17,160
and that begins the 90 day public review period. So the building division is fully expecting that between

501
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:28,160
January the 14th and April the 13th to receive comments, pro and con maybe additional information that the building

502
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:36,160
division was not a world to review those comments and to recommend they become part of our codes or

503
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:45,160
recommend they not become part of our codes. So this tonight will begin that tomorrow will actually begin the 90 day public review

504
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:53,160
review period. Thank you, Mr. House, your questions, your comments from our University of

505
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,160
the City Council. Go ahead, Mr. Scale folks.

506
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:04,160
No, this isn't as sorry for Mr. Ansar, but I'm under section. I can't tell you, Jesus, but it's

507
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:10,160
113.4, it's talking about the membership of the board and it says it's a child consists of five regular

508
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:18,160
numbers. Should we switch that up to not knowing that we've had some important issues in the past

509
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:25,160
with our board of the, has it been, have we had four issues with the building called Board of

510
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,160
Appeals, I think?

511
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,160
It was a last time, was it like that?

512
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:36,160
We have not met in a while. We did reduce that core number from four to three.

513
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,160
So here it says it's five still.

514
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,160
Well, there's five members.

515
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,160
No, that's number.

516
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,160
The core, the core would be three.

517
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,160
Okay, so three would be fine.

518
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,160
Okay, that's fine.

519
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,160
Okay.

520
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,160
Other questions are covered.

521
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,160
Mr. Woodley.

522
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,160
I just don't know what Mr. Ansar was saying.

523
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,160
The motion would be in order to continue.

524
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,160
These five bills to the April 13 meeting.

525
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,160
So, second.

526
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,160
So you have to do one at a time.

527
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,160
Okay.

528
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,160
That's right.

529
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,160
I'm saying that there's going to be the 90-year review period.

530
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,160
The bullet needs to.

531
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,160
Okay.

532
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,160
It's on this.

533
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,160
On each of the next.

534
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,160
One board portion, the side and all of the bill.

535
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,160
No, that's two.

536
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,160
There's a very special issue.

537
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,160
This is a very special issue.

538
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,160
It's a good way.

539
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,160
Perfect.

540
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:34,160
No, I mean, this is a very important introduction to the next.

541
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,360
Let's go.

542
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,140
So we've been moving for 58 away?

543
00:34:38,140 --> 00:34:42,220
I'll second that one.

544
00:34:42,220 --> 00:34:43,300
58 and nine.

545
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:45,280
I'll second it.

546
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,520
Well, what do we have to do?

547
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,520
We have to do that.

548
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,520
We don't have to do that.

549
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,520
We don't have to do that.

550
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:51,520
You want to discuss some separate?

551
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:52,520
I have to read each one.

552
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:53,520
I have to read each one.

553
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,960
58 is another day.

554
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,600
So what was, will you repeat your motion?

555
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,800
I'd like you to just go 58 away for a second.

556
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,620
You need me to take off 13, will you?

557
00:35:03,620 --> 00:35:05,620
It's about not prior to April.

558
00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:07,620
No prior to April for June.

559
00:35:07,620 --> 00:35:08,620
And I'll second that.

560
00:35:08,620 --> 00:35:10,620
Any discussion about that?

561
00:35:10,620 --> 00:35:12,620
Right for the vote, Dr. Lawrence.

562
00:35:12,620 --> 00:35:13,620
Dr. Hope.

563
00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:14,620
Hi.

564
00:35:14,620 --> 00:35:15,620
This is Basel.

565
00:35:15,620 --> 00:35:16,620
Hi.

566
00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:17,620
Mr. Wayne.

567
00:35:17,620 --> 00:35:18,620
Hi.

568
00:35:18,620 --> 00:35:19,620
This is Sylvia.

569
00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:20,620
Hi.

570
00:35:20,620 --> 00:35:21,620
Dr. Sylvia.

571
00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:22,620
Hi.

572
00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:24,620
The past is you.

573
00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:27,620
I'm sorry.

574
00:35:27,620 --> 00:35:28,620
You know what?

575
00:35:28,620 --> 00:35:29,620
We did that.

576
00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:31,620
And I did not ask if there was anybody in the audience

577
00:35:31,620 --> 00:35:32,620
that would like to address Bill 50.

578
00:35:32,620 --> 00:35:33,620
We did not ask Bill 50.

579
00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:34,620
You remember.

580
00:35:34,620 --> 00:35:36,620
I put the 807.

581
00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:37,620
Okay.

582
00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:38,620
But well, we just need 50.

583
00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:40,620
So we'll take it back and do 50.

584
00:35:40,620 --> 00:35:43,620
But we'll take it up again.

585
00:35:43,620 --> 00:35:46,620
Not prior to April 13th.

586
00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:49,620
So if you have comments, we'll take it up there.

587
00:35:49,620 --> 00:35:51,620
Next item, please.

588
00:35:51,620 --> 00:35:55,620
I'd have made a bill number 5809 and ordinance repealing article six.

589
00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:58,620
Residents should code for one and two family dwellings of chapter 500.

590
00:35:59,620 --> 00:36:02,620
The city code of ordinances of the city of Creep Corps.

591
00:36:02,620 --> 00:36:04,620
And an accident in lieu of their article six.

592
00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:07,620
Or the digital code for one and two family dwellings.

593
00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:09,620
I was both first reading.

594
00:36:09,620 --> 00:36:15,620
Would you like Mr. Razer to provide a brief review of the major changes

595
00:36:15,620 --> 00:36:18,620
of each of these codes tonight?

596
00:36:18,620 --> 00:36:21,620
I think that would be a very good.

597
00:36:21,620 --> 00:36:24,620
Because I would like to also know with a local amendment.

598
00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:53,620
So the first ordinance that was looked at our proposed is the 2015 International Building Code.

599
00:36:53,620 --> 00:36:57,620
And that building code regulates construction and alterations

600
00:36:57,620 --> 00:37:01,620
renovations for commercial type structures.

601
00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:05,620
Such as office buildings, temples, churches, theaters, restaurants,

602
00:37:05,620 --> 00:37:10,620
schools, hospitals, hotels, warehouses.

603
00:37:10,620 --> 00:37:20,620
And when we reviewed the 2015 IBC versus compared it to the 2009 IBC that we're under,

604
00:37:20,620 --> 00:37:24,620
there were really no significant changes.

605
00:37:24,620 --> 00:37:33,620
There was a lot of reformatting, reorganizing, moving sections to better places in the code.

606
00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:48,620
But there was really nothing that would have a significant change in terms of construction cost.

607
00:37:48,620 --> 00:37:52,620
I would say that the energy conservation code.

608
00:37:52,620 --> 00:37:58,620
There were some changes made to that in terms of windows and doors.

609
00:37:58,620 --> 00:38:07,620
But nothing significant to really bring to council's attention.

610
00:38:07,620 --> 00:38:16,620
The International Residential Code for one and two single family dwelling units and town homes.

611
00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:20,620
Yes, I think there are some significant changes.

612
00:38:20,620 --> 00:38:31,620
And that is pointed out in exhibit B where it compares the 2009 energy conservation code,

613
00:38:31,620 --> 00:38:36,620
which is also chapter 11 of the International Residential Code.

614
00:38:36,620 --> 00:38:48,620
It compares that to the 2015 International Energy Conservation Code in chapter 11 of the 2015 Residential Code.

615
00:38:48,620 --> 00:38:51,620
So in that table, there's three columns.

616
00:38:51,620 --> 00:38:58,620
One is what the 2009, the code that we enforce now requires.

617
00:38:58,620 --> 00:39:03,620
The next column is the proposed requirements for the new codes.

618
00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:14,620
And in the third column is what St. Louis County did with these particular code requirements.

619
00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:20,620
Probably the most significant is in terms of our value as the attic our value.

620
00:39:20,620 --> 00:39:22,620
That's the first row.

621
00:39:22,620 --> 00:39:25,620
Today's code requires R38.

622
00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:29,620
The 15 code requires R49.

623
00:39:29,620 --> 00:39:33,620
And county kept it at R38.

624
00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:36,620
And I don't know unless there are specific questions.

625
00:39:36,620 --> 00:39:39,620
I don't know that I need to go through the whole table.

626
00:39:39,620 --> 00:39:42,620
But there are changes.

627
00:39:42,620 --> 00:39:51,620
One thing I can tell you is that these changes will not affect the number or type of building inspections that we're already doing.

628
00:39:51,620 --> 00:39:56,620
Part of the 2009 IRC and the Energy Conservation Code.

629
00:39:56,620 --> 00:40:06,620
Meaning, part of the Energy Conservation Code, we do look at the thermal envelope before it gets covered with the New Year's.

630
00:40:06,620 --> 00:40:09,620
So that will remain.

631
00:40:09,620 --> 00:40:15,620
We still require a duct-tightness test in the door-blower test for new homes.

632
00:40:15,620 --> 00:40:17,620
That will remain.

633
00:40:17,620 --> 00:40:19,620
We still do an insulation.

634
00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:24,620
We will still do an insulation inspection prior to the insulation getting covered up.

635
00:40:24,620 --> 00:40:27,620
We do that now and we will continue to do that.

636
00:40:27,620 --> 00:40:32,620
So in terms of workload, really that will not be impacted.

637
00:40:32,620 --> 00:40:34,620
It's just what we're looking at.

638
00:40:34,620 --> 00:40:39,620
We'll be a little different.

639
00:40:39,620 --> 00:40:43,620
You might as a result of that rafts have some additional re-inspection.

640
00:40:43,620 --> 00:40:45,620
Potentially.

641
00:40:45,620 --> 00:40:46,620
Possibly.

642
00:40:46,620 --> 00:40:53,620
I think another table that was provided.

643
00:40:53,620 --> 00:40:55,620
Exhibit A.

644
00:40:55,620 --> 00:41:02,620
There are cities that have adopted the 15 codes well in advance of us.

645
00:41:02,620 --> 00:41:04,620
And when you look at that,

646
00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:09,620
those are our comparator cities along with St. Louis County.

647
00:41:09,620 --> 00:41:18,620
And you can see when you get to the amended chapter 11 of the IRC column.

648
00:41:18,620 --> 00:41:21,620
About six jurisdictions made no amendments to it.

649
00:41:21,620 --> 00:41:26,620
They adopted the Energy Conservation portion of the IRC as written.

650
00:41:26,620 --> 00:41:29,620
And about half made amendments.

651
00:41:30,620 --> 00:41:39,620
The types of amendments vary from city to city and St. Louis County.

652
00:41:39,620 --> 00:41:49,620
But yes, there will be a transition period between what we enforce now and what we will require

653
00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:53,620
to be shown on plans and what we'll be inspecting in the field.

654
00:41:53,620 --> 00:41:56,620
But that's expected.

655
00:41:56,620 --> 00:42:01,620
Whenever you go to a new code or dot new codes, there's always that transition.

656
00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:07,620
That's why we have the 90 day, one of the reasons you have the 90 day public review period.

657
00:42:07,620 --> 00:42:17,620
And also we will provide information at our counter on our website to notify residents, contractors,

658
00:42:17,620 --> 00:42:22,620
of these changes when they ultimately do get passed.

659
00:42:23,620 --> 00:42:24,620
Thank you, Mr. Alcher.

660
00:42:24,620 --> 00:42:27,620
Questions or comments from members of the City Council?

661
00:42:27,620 --> 00:42:28,620
Mr. Spaceman.

662
00:42:28,620 --> 00:42:36,620
How are we relating to our residents that there's going to be this review during the time period?

663
00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:38,620
How do we let people know?

664
00:42:38,620 --> 00:42:41,620
Well, it will be posted on the city's website.

665
00:42:41,620 --> 00:42:43,620
Hopefully in a prominent location.

666
00:42:43,620 --> 00:42:46,620
It will be information.

667
00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:51,620
The public notice and copies of the ordinances will be available at the city clerk's office.

668
00:42:51,620 --> 00:42:55,620
And also have the building vision counter.

669
00:42:55,620 --> 00:43:01,620
I will notify with a packet of information.

670
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:04,620
The Home Builders Association of St. Louis.

671
00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:08,620
The Associated General Contractors of St. Louis.

672
00:43:08,620 --> 00:43:14,620
We'll also notify the Chief Court all of that Chamber of Commerce.

673
00:43:14,620 --> 00:43:20,620
We'll also notify there's a national remodeling Institute

674
00:43:20,620 --> 00:43:22,620
and Association for that.

675
00:43:22,620 --> 00:43:27,620
The majority of the permits we issue are for residential remodeling.

676
00:43:27,620 --> 00:43:31,620
And I've been invited to speak at a couple of their meetings.

677
00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:36,620
And have also provided them with information that they've requested.

678
00:43:36,620 --> 00:43:40,620
They'll also be provided with that packet of information.

679
00:43:40,620 --> 00:43:46,620
Any other interested parties who, some of you in email, can also have that information.

680
00:43:46,620 --> 00:43:52,620
But I think what's going to be posted on the website are the ordinances themselves.

681
00:43:52,620 --> 00:43:59,620
So I'm sure there'll be questions about maybe what that means, what this amendment means, or not.

682
00:43:59,620 --> 00:44:10,620
So we're fully expecting that those conversations and meetings to occur will also be notifying our building court board of appeals.

683
00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:19,620
We will be at least wise on these proposed changes to see if they're okay with these.

684
00:44:19,620 --> 00:44:24,620
We'll also notify the city's energy and environment.

685
00:44:24,620 --> 00:44:32,620
About the changes and what the city is recommending for the international energy conservation code.

686
00:44:32,620 --> 00:44:34,620
Seems thorough. Thank you.

687
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:36,620
And welcome.

688
00:44:36,620 --> 00:44:41,620
We needed a motion to extend this for the 90 days also.

689
00:44:41,620 --> 00:44:46,620
I'll see if there's any other questions or comments.

690
00:44:46,620 --> 00:44:49,620
Any other questions or comments?

691
00:44:49,620 --> 00:44:53,620
So what we're doing is similar to what county.

692
00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:56,620
Recently passed.

693
00:44:56,620 --> 00:44:59,620
Well, there are some changes.

694
00:44:59,620 --> 00:45:00,620
Thank you.

695
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,000
As the city is building official, I recommend that the city adopt the codes as written. The amendments that are made are proposed. A lot of them are administrative and nature. And some are in the commercial code. We have some more restrictive requirements for the fire districts because we want to be on the same page as that.

696
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:39,000
So when you look at that exhibit B and see what county did versus what is being proposed, that's where you'll see the changes.

697
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:53,000
And our 49 in the attic versus in our 38. While value are 20 versus in our 15 is what the county amended that to.

698
00:45:53,000 --> 00:46:03,000
Some of the things that they had deleted the last go around, they've actually incorporated into their new code adoption.

699
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:12,000
Their ordinances are on their website as well. They go into effect equal the first, I believe.

700
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:23,000
And ideally, if everything goes according to plan on iron, we'll be following suit in adopting the new codes effective, may first or shortly thereafter.

701
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:35,000
But a lot of things that they did change are that they did not delete is the duct tightness test and ceiling those ducks.

702
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:45,000
And the duct tightness test occurs where you have ducks in unconditioned spaces, like addicts, crawl spaces, not basement.

703
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:54,000
So if all your duct work is in the basement or in interior walls, you don't do the duct tightness test.

704
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:01,000
They also will do the door blower test according to their amendment. Meaning they did not delete that out.

705
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:14,000
So there has been, I guess, progress, the lack of a better term, meaning there are less differences now between what the city requires and what county is requiring than there has been in the past.

706
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:43,000
So, so, Mr. Usher, I'm not sure I understand your answer to Mrs. Sullivan's question or, is far as the insulation value of addict insulation value, or we are, are you proposing we got the same standards as St. Louis County or are you proposing that we do as the code.

707
00:47:43,000 --> 00:48:07,000
Yes, sir. As a note, on exhibit B right under the title, like put the building division will recommend that the 2015 International Energy Conservation Code in chapter 11 energy efficiency of the 2015 International Residential Code is adopted as written.

708
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:13,000
Is that a distinction that we want to have in the community?

709
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,000
I understand our code would be stricter.

710
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:36,000
We would have a, I believe it also would have a significant impact on the system we've been talking about the conditions that were sort of paramount in the,

711
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:46,000
in the available park discussion. There's also, we'll have an impact on the affordability of our housing, the diversity of our housing.

712
00:48:46,000 --> 00:49:12,000
But when you're changing an energy code from a two-by-four all through a two-by-six small, an addict insulation costs, and it's not to say that people can't do those things if they ought to do them,

713
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,000
but is that what we want for our minimum building code?

714
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:22,000
How do you know if you're applying that option?

715
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,000
I don't know the answer to that.

716
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:39,000
But I think my adopting this as is, I think you're also making the statement as far as affordability of housing in the city of pre-Core.

717
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:49,000
And it makes no noise about it. There's a significant cost to those urgent questions.

718
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,000
Hi, I agree.

719
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,000
What is it? 2018?

720
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,000
One.

721
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,000
Say, do we know?

722
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:02,000
Because I know that this is the 2015 or but like the most recent one.

723
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:10,000
What is that make it even further than this?

724
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:18,000
You know, I've not had the opportunity to look at that. The only thing I saw was a graph that kind of went,

725
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:26,000
if you're going from 2009 energy conservation code requirements to 2015, which is what we're doing,

726
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:34,000
there is a spike in requirements and actually in cost, but also in cost savings, you know,

727
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,000
recruiting that cost, the longer you live in the house.

728
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:43,000
Then the graph then went from 2015 to 2018 and was almost leveled, had leveled off.

729
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,000
And I'm just making an assumption based on that.

730
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:54,000
I don't think our values have increased. There may be somebody else who knows the 18 code better than I,

731
00:50:54,000 --> 00:51:02,000
but really have not had the time to explore that.

732
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:12,000
I think the fans on what website you go to.

733
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,000
And that's the truth.

734
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:22,000
And I think that's going to be part of the discussion in this 90 day review.

735
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,000
What is the actual construction cost increase?

736
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,000
And what is the payback?

737
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,000
I think I think it depends on the website you go to.

738
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,000
Whether it's an energy conservation.

739
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,000
Groups website or a building website.

740
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,000
You will see the difference in numbers.

741
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,000
I don't know if there is, and I'm sure there must be.

742
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,000
But again, I'm not.

743
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,000
Look forward to that.

744
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,000
Maybe an independent objective.

745
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,000
Look.

746
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,000
I can tell you what you did or so.

747
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,000
Because you don't have to do like that.

748
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,000
And you put the really high R value for it to be that.

749
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,000
And it cuts our energy cost savings.

750
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,000
It was funded with all of the money.

751
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,000
Well, on the other hand, I want to make clear, too,

752
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:20,000
that these new energy code requirements will apply only to new homes and to room additions.

753
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:25,000
Won't go back into your existing home and say, because you're remodeling your kitchen,

754
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,000
you've got to increase the R value whatever's up in your attic to R49.

755
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,000
There's just no authority to do that.

756
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,000
No intent to do that.

757
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:41,000
So for the last two or three years, we've averaged about 20 new homes a year.

758
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:46,000
I think it's important that we have the 90 days to get the input from the community,

759
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,000
but don't bring in resonance.

760
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,000
And I think that's going to wash it out, you know, tell us what we need to do.

761
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,000
We're not taking a final vote now.

762
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,000
I think we need to listen carefully to what people have to say in that 90 days.

763
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,000
Well, the 90 days is a stick wall.

764
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,000
We have to do that.

765
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,000
I know, but I mean, that's going to give us the opportunity to evaluate this better.

766
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:13,000
We will have the benefit of the St. Louis County having gone through this process.

767
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:18,000
And as a result, the HBA has reviewed already this morning.

768
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,000
It's pretty thoroughly.

769
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,000
And they're very anxious.

770
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:27,000
And we told them that we would be meeting with them in the coming weeks here, probably.

771
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,000
I would say certainly in the next month.

772
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,000
So you'll have the benefit of a whole lot more commentary.

773
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,000
Right.

774
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,000
Mr. Roy.

775
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,000
I sometimes feel like the IRC.

776
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,000
They miss all these opportunities.

777
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,000
They feel like they're cutting costs.

778
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,000
But they're obviously, like, for example, when they say,

779
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,000
go to high efficiency light bulbs, early days.

780
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,000
They could take the additional step to say,

781
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,000
you can use the LEDs that run on three or six bolts,

782
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:01,000
then you don't need 14 gauge wires going up to the top.

783
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,000
You could practically use the wire.

784
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,000
So if they were that concerned about energy,

785
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,000
they should take the whole view.

786
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,000
Instead of all these things that just keep adding costs to the home,

787
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,000
and I agree with the mayor that it could,

788
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,000
it could stymie growth in a way.

789
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:25,000
It could make all the difference between somebody wanting to add a room or not to the home.

790
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:31,000
Just the energy, the insulation costs,

791
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,000
the factor.

792
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,000
I'm just thinking about the added insulation they call for R49s.

793
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,000
Quite expensive.

794
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,000
Anyway, that's just something I'd like to discuss.

795
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,000
So I'd point to say.

796
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,000
Any other questions or comments from members of the city council?

797
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,000
No, I would just add that, I think that this is always,

798
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:58,000
I think a difficult issue that we grapple with every time we adopt cones.

799
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,000
And that is, you know,

800
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,000
do we look at the code as we believe,

801
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,000
you know, it ought to be in our community,

802
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:14,000
only or do we look at creed core and the context of St. Louis County,

803
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,000
because it's a community of builders, community of contractors,

804
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,000
community of architects.

805
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:27,000
So I do think that there is a benefit from regional,

806
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,000
perfective to look at consistency among cones.

807
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,000
So we will be on the same code as St. Louis County.

808
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,000
So we'll be pretty close, but there are some differences.

809
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,000
And so looking at each one of those and saying,

810
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,000
hey, are these important enough to us that we're going to say,

811
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:47,000
you're going to have an R49 and creed core versus an R38?

812
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:51,000
Look at those, but I do think that the consistency is something

813
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:56,000
that's appreciated significantly by the contractors in the community

814
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,000
and therefore, by extension, I think the residents

815
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,000
like to see that consistency.

816
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,000
So it's really kind of balancing the community for consistency

817
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,000
with how hard we want to push energy.

818
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:14,000
During our work session with E&E,

819
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,000
though, didn't they tell us maybe I misunderstood

820
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,000
that several of the communities have very,

821
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,000
I mean, even some have,

822
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,000
that are adopting 2018, some are, you know, like,

823
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,000
it was very inconsistent between all of our,

824
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:35,000
you know, so while we might have the same as the county,

825
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:40,000
you know, or maybe at neighbors, we're not going to have the same

826
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,000
necessarily.

827
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,000
On exhibit, it looks like Brentwood is the only community

828
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,000
that's adopted 18.

829
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,000
And everybody else is on 15.

830
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,000
The city of San Luis also adopted 18.

831
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,000
The, the, in their adopted as run.

832
00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:02,000
But I do think that there is a point to consistency.

833
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,000
And I'd also be interested, is the environmental impact

834
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,000
of having, you know, our piece of the regional puzzle,

835
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,000
having that higher standard, is there a significant environmental impact

836
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,000
in that if no one else is doing it?

837
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,000
Because I mean, it's not as if the things that happen here

838
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,000
only affect what is happening here,

839
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:27,000
balancing that out with being able to provide it in affordable housing stock.

840
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,000
For the purpose of the city council, is there anybody in the audience

841
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,000
that would like to address bill number?

842
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:46,000
18, 18, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19.

843
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,000
Somebody want to make a motion about that.

844
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:56,000
On that commotion that we extend the second vote to April 13th or later.

845
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:01,000
Second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second.

846
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,840
Twenty.

847
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:04,840
Can you just question?

848
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,600
Very for vote Mr. Trevor.

849
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,360
I have a total high, Dr. Lawrence, Dr. S own, high.

850
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:11,680
Mrs. Delfaz O'hoves.

851
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,400
Hi.

852
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:13,540
Mrs. silver,kay?

853
00:58:13,540 --> 00:58:14,880
Mr. Roy.

854
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,880
Hi.

855
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,240
Thank you for voting.

856
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,880
Thank you Mr. O'ow, Mr. O'ow.

857
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:22,880
Mr. O'ow.

858
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,880
Not a problem.

859
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,900
At a nine Bill number 15810, in order in third Repealing Article

860
00:58:26,900 --> 00:58:28,920
10, Inter quiero Conservation Code in Chapter five hundred of the city vote

861
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:36,600
city code of ordinances in the city of Crete Court and in action in lieu of in lieu thereof a new article 10 energy conservation code out for first reading

862
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,320
Mr. I'm to give any comments on this code

863
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,880
Can you please come to the microphone we're recording the meeting

864
00:58:49,880 --> 00:59:07,640
Yeah, the the international energy conservation code has two parts residential provisions and commercial provisions

865
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:20,760
So again the significant changes of the IECC are in the residential provisions of the IECC and they mirror

866
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,560
Chapter 11 of the IRC

867
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:35,240
So whatever we do with Chapter 11 of the IRC we would have to also do with the residential provisions of the international energy conservation code

868
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:44,640
Thank you for that clarification questions or comments from members of the city council

869
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:49,240
Is there anybody in the audience? I'd like to address bill number 5810

870
00:59:51,640 --> 01:00:00,240
I have a motion. I move that bill number 5810 be moved for a second reading no earlier than April 13

871
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:15,000
Second, committee discussion. Mr. Wine, this is so bad. This is the help of Dr. Solis, Dr. Warren, Dr. Paul, aye, Mrs. Bayes, Mr. Traverse, thank you all. Next item, please.

872
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:29,000
I'm 10 November, 5811, an ordinance repealing, Article 9, Property Maintenance Code of Chapter 500, the City Code of Ornances, the City of Group Court, and an action in lieu thereof in Article 10, Property Maintenance Code, Elver First Reading.

873
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:45,000
Well, one thing to point out with this code is if you adopted as written, it would apply to owner occupied dwellings, as well as apartments, rental property, and commercial buildings.

874
01:00:45,000 --> 01:01:06,000
So, what we did, and we adopted the 2009 International Property Maintenance Code, as we created an exception under scope, that accepts detached single-family dwellings, our owner occupied dwelling units are not subject to the provisions of this code.

875
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:21,000
And all that means is that we will not continue to not have a reoccupancy program for homes and condominiums. We do have an exterior maintenance code that would apply to homes.

876
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:35,000
And that's what will continue to enforce as it applies to any exterior violations in homes or condominiums.

877
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:45,000
So, that same exception will get carried over when we adopt the 2015 International Property Maintenance Code.

878
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:50,000
Questions or comments from members of the City Council?

879
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:56,000
Is there anybody in the audience that would like to address bill 5811?

880
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:01,000
Somebody is under the biggest civil approach. How moved that the second reading be?

881
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:05,000
No earlier than April 13th of 2020.

882
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,000
Second.

883
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,000
Dr. Saunders?

884
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,000
Mr. Stel Pazzo?

885
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,000
Hi.

886
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,000
Mr. Saunders?

887
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,000
Hi.

888
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,000
Mr. White?

889
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,000
Mr. Travis?

890
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:15,000
Mrs. Bayes?

891
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,000
Hi.

892
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,000
Dr. Halley?

893
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,000
Dr. Horace?

894
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,000
Thank you all. Next item please.

895
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,000
Mr. Newman?

896
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:26,000
Bill number 50, 12, and ordinance enacting a new article 11, Sweining Pool and Spot Code.

897
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:32,000
I've checked for 500 of the City Code of Ornitses, the City Creative Corps, I'll tomorrow.

898
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:43,000
Well, this is a new code and it incorporates more requirements for swimming pools and spots.

899
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:51,000
who publishes these codes felt that a standalone code was required to regulate.

900
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,000
Swing pools and spas.

901
01:02:53,000 --> 01:03:02,000
The way we regulate it now is regulated by appendix G in the 2009 IRC.

902
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:07,000
So there's a little bit more specific in turn.

903
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:16,000
Well, I should say appendix G of the IRC referenced a swimming pool standard.

904
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:30,000
So we, in effect, were enforcing that this new code has taken that standard and made it into a code.

905
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:38,000
Does this address leaks of swimming pools or spas?

906
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,000
Well, it addresses repairs.

907
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,000
Yeah, renovations, demolition.

908
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,000
Ask a very pointed question.

909
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:52,000
Would it address a reflection pond on a property such as a cemetery?

910
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,000
No.

911
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,000
Would not.

912
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,000
Okay.

913
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,000
Because the intent is not to swim in that pond.

914
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,000
I don't think.

915
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,000
I mean, the principle.

916
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,000
Can I ask?

917
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,000
Other questions are published in a member of the city council.

918
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:11,000
Does anybody in the audience sit with like to address Bill 1512?

919
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,000
I think so.

920
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:17,000
She doesn't have about a similar motion to the other public.

921
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,000
Oh, we can't.

922
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,000
No.

923
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,000
No.

924
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,000
No.

925
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,000
Second.

926
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,000
A discussion.

927
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,000
Dr. Wars.

928
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,000
Dr. Hull.

929
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,000
I.

930
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,000
This is basically this.

931
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:30,000
Mr. Wang.

932
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,000
This is silver.

933
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,000
This is the.

934
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,000
Dr. So.

935
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,000
Thank you.

936
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,000
Thank you.

937
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,000
Mr.

938
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,000
Excuse me.

939
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:40,000
And 12.

940
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,000
Mercy.

941
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,000
Patience Center.

942
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,000
South Campus.

943
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:44,000
I.

944
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,000
Yeah.

945
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,000
Mayor members of city council.

946
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,000
This is an extension from Mercy Hospital.

947
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,000
To extend the approvals for the outpatient center.

948
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,000
It is on the south side of Conway West of Valice City Council.

949
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,000
Approved this in February 26, 2018.

950
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,000
And issued two prior extensions to that approval.

951
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,000
Mercy is coming forward.

952
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,000
Seeking the third extension.

953
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:12,000
And if approved that extension would carry the zoning approvals and site plan.

954
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,000
Approval forward to August 24th of this year.

955
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,000
See representatives are here as well from Mercy and the civil engineer.

956
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,000
If you have any further questions.

957
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,000
Otherwise, a vote would be required to extend it.

958
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,000
Thank you.

959
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,000
Mr. Stock.

960
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:33,000
Anything further that you'd like to add.

961
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,000
Good evening.

962
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,000
Honorable Mayor members of the council for the record.

963
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,000
My name's George Stock.

964
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,000
And I am here tonight on behalf of Mercy along with Mr.

965
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,000
Calacac from Mercy, who I know has a familiar face to all of you.

966
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,000
We're happy to answer any questions.

967
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,000
We continue to make progress.

968
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:53,000
The amaran substation, which was the first component of the project, is close to completion.

969
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:59,000
In fact, they'll be turning over their property and the land exchange will occur in March of 2020.

970
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:09,000
At that time, some site improvements work will start relative to the drive access and reconfigurations of the parking lot of the 763 and the 777.

971
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:15,000
All in anticipation of the outpatient services building, which is currently under design.

972
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:21,000
And we'll be continuing under design over the next several months with a submission of site improvements.

973
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,000
Hopefully prior to this August date.

974
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:29,000
But it is possible we could be here in six months asking for another extension.

975
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:30,000
I believe.

976
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,000
Technically, the site work has started.

977
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,000
So I don't know if we fulfilled the full obligation.

978
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,000
We may be back in August again asking another extension.

979
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,000
But I'm happy to answer any questions.

980
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,000
Mr. Calacac is well on behalf of Mercy.

981
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:44,000
Thank you, Mr. Stark.

982
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,000
You're welcome.

983
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:46,000
Thank you.

984
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,000
Thank you.

985
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,000
Thank you.

986
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,000
Thank you.

987
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,000
Thank you.

988
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,000
Thank you.

989
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,000
Any further questions?

990
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,000
Excuse me.

991
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,000
Are you coming from the city council?

992
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:04,000
Is there anybody in the audience that would like to address orders 55.

993
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,000
743?

994
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,000
Do we need to vote on this?

995
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,000
Who is it?

996
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,000
Who is it?

997
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,000
Just the extension request.

998
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,000
It's not the ordinance.

999
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,000
Okay.

1000
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,000
So do we need to vote on the...

1001
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,000
Yeah.

1002
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,000
Some move.

1003
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,000
Second.

1004
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,000
Any discussion?

1005
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,000
Dr. Solner.

1006
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,000
Hi.

1007
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,000
Mrs. Dielfanzo.

1008
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,000
Hi.

1009
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,000
Mrs. Solner.

1010
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,000
Hi.

1011
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:30,000
Mr. White.

1012
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,000
Hi.

1013
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:32,000
Dr. Huffman.

1014
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,000
Hi.

1015
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,000
Mr. Roberts.

1016
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,000
Hi.

1017
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,000
Your extension is great.

1018
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,000
Thank you very much.

1019
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,000
Thank you.

1020
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,000
Next item, please.

1021
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,000
Mrs. Romair and City Council.

1022
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,000
I have 13 councilees and reports.

1023
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,000
I will go ahead to add to the Parks and Historic Preservation.

1024
01:07:49,000 --> 01:08:00,000
Did not have a meeting in December, although there was a meeting this afternoon about the

1025
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:07,000
Tribal Park and moving forward with acknowledging the history of animal park.

1026
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,000
And what should happen?

1027
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:15,000
Part of the discussion included a recommendation during that meeting that we create a task force

1028
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:19,000
to look at appropriate ways to...

1029
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,000
I suppose memorialize what happened.

1030
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:27,000
So I wanted to bring that forward.

1031
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,000
Give people a pause.

1032
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:34,000
And see if that was something we wanted to do.

1033
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,000
What's the coverage?

1034
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:43,000
I also have a meeting where I think that's a really helpful need to trust.

1035
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:48,000
I have always liked idea of the task force to help us to get more impact.

1036
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:53,000
Would that be a task force that's officially created by the City Council?

1037
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:54,000
Yes.

1038
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,000
We would determine it's makeup as well.

1039
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,000
I think that that would be appropriate.

1040
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:03,000
I expect it would be subject to the normal nominating committee process.

1041
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,000
Would it be time limited or would it be forever?

1042
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,000
No task force.

1043
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,000
So do we want to attach a time limit to it?

1044
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:21,000
I would recommend that we sort of look at all of the specifics before we sort of actually vote and create something.

1045
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,000
But I think something that's time limited and I think thinking between now and the next meeting about

1046
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:30,000
that time limit and who should be on it.

1047
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,000
I agree.

1048
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,000
I think it's a very good idea.

1049
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,000
It is city only properly.

1050
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,000
I think it's such.

1051
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:45,000
Well, I think the makeup of the task force should be discussed and we should get it to first group.

1052
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:52,000
It is city property and I think the city should control through task force.

1053
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:58,000
So is that something that we want to bring forward at our next meeting?

1054
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,000
Or at least an outline to discuss?

1055
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,000
I think an outline to discuss with the next meeting.

1056
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,000
Yes.

1057
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,000
You know, we'll have that.

1058
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,000
Is that something we can do?

1059
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:07,000
Oh, yeah.

1060
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,000
Absolutely.

1061
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,000
Is there anybody that disagrees with that idea?

1062
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:14,000
Thank you for bringing that up.

1063
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,000
Any other councillors?

1064
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,000
I want to talk more.

1065
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,000
I've got two of them.

1066
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:23,000
Well, by the way, we've been doing struggling with.

1067
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:27,000
Can we think money anywhere in our insurance portfolio?

1068
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:33,000
And what the two weeks after several weeks finally came to this meeting.

1069
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:41,000
That probably the best way forward to both current employees and the entire youth who have a spouse that's entitled to their phone insurance.

1070
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:47,000
If that's about a luxury name will increase poor insurance.

1071
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,000
They would pay $200 additional money.

1072
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,000
So that's what's going to be called for council.

1073
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,000
The next work situation is fine.

1074
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,000
But I want to go to everyone to think about this.

1075
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,000
So if their spouse has the ability to be on their own employers,

1076
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,000
sponsored insurance, yet choose to be on Creek Forest.

1077
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,000
There will be a charge of $200 a month.

1078
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:09,000
Correct.

1079
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,000
Correct.

1080
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:16,000
Which is still probably less than what a lot of people would end up paying for their own.

1081
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,000
So that's purely recommendation.

1082
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,000
I think we should come up with plenty of security.

1083
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:32,000
How about have we ever explored doing like a tobacco surcharge or anything about nature for those that are for those of you here?

1084
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:39,000
I personally, I feel like exploring something like a tobacco surcharge.

1085
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:48,000
A tobacco surcharge might be advantageous of us to try and save some money there and less than this fossil surcharge.

1086
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,000
$200 a month.

1087
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:53,000
Well, I understand what you're saying if you got into the marketplace.

1088
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:58,000
I do think that's steep though.

1089
01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,000
I would agree.

1090
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,000
I think it's a significant hit.

1091
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,000
That agree.

1092
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:12,000
Part of the benefits when we think about sort of a holistic approach is what it brings through the families also of those that we employ.

1093
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:20,000
Because I mean, I think what I'm talking about is planning to show you exactly what our focus may in their premiums.

1094
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,000
Compared to the other areas in the city.

1095
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:27,000
But I just want everyone to be thinking about this because we're, I think we,

1096
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:32,000
The third or fourth work session, I think is what's for you.

1097
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,000
You're right.

1098
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,000
I would really like everyone to be thinking about this.

1099
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:40,000
If you have some alternative, please bring those ideas with you as well.

1100
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,000
Yeah, I think we can't look at it in a vacuum though.

1101
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:47,000
We've got to look at it in terms of the whole package that we're offering, including salary and other benefits.

1102
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:53,000
And how does that compare to other municipalities, not just the insurance piece?

1103
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,000
I think they can really try to do that.

1104
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,000
And that's the beauty of every session.

1105
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,000
We can just set that up.

1106
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,000
Oh, what do you say?

1107
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,000
My request is everybody thinking about it.

1108
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,000
And you can think of anything else.

1109
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,000
We're in that with you.

1110
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:08,000
So we'll look a little bit lighter here.

1111
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:13,000
The 2020 part of our commitment, our race date is June 6th.

1112
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,000
Put that on your calendar.

1113
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:20,000
We're targeting 350 people this year.

1114
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:27,000
It looks like our channel partner will be the live 3-4, which runs fantastic.

1115
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,000
Our race is 100% smaller to your organization.

1116
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:35,000
So it looks like I've been joining us.

1117
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:40,000
And I've also got pictures of our logo, which we will be doing in mid years.

1118
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,000
Pantink are here.

1119
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,000
I think it's this blue right here.

1120
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:50,000
Thank you, Dr. Warms.

1121
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,000
Any other council liaison reports?

1122
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,000
Mr. White.

1123
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,000
The police committee met.

1124
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,000
Update on a building.

1125
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,000
The police building is about two-thirds occupied.

1126
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,000
The Sally Fort is completed.

1127
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:11,000
The good news for the smoke exhausting problem is that they have a design ready.

1128
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:14,000
The bad news is about 2200.

1129
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:19,000
But then that should trigger the errors and omissions.

1130
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:27,000
Ensurance that the engineering firm should have had.

1131
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,000
Build a left off a few cameras.

1132
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,000
So that's going to be fixed property.

1133
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:36,000
They've got some money for our license plate reader.

1134
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,000
And also two drones.

1135
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:39,000
Good news.

1136
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,000
It's not to type a drone.

1137
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,000
You can trigger a little bit of tree width.

1138
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,000
That's it.

1139
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,000
Thank you.

1140
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:50,000
Any other council liaison reports?

1141
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,000
Thank you all very much.

1142
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,000
Next item, please.

1143
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,000
And important construction dumpsters?

1144
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,000
Mr. Steel Thompson.

1145
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:15,000
Three, over the years, and especially this last month, I've had a couple different properties that are upset with the lengths of time the dumpsters are in their neighborhood.

1146
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:27,000
For I think that email, we're not one of the things, but a lot of the times when you have a dumpster there that's that long, especially if the neighbors don't see work being done.

1147
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:34,000
Other things start getting thrown into the dumpster, and they just feel like it's a big trash site.

1148
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:43,000
So, it does seem to me the fact that we could have a dumpster for a property, we might all this long as a permit up to a year.

1149
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:52,000
There's a long time for neighbors to have to sit with a dumpster that is only half full and no work is visibly being done.

1150
01:15:52,000 --> 01:16:04,000
So, I wanted to discuss lowering the time allowed to have dumpsters if they're not actively being used.

1151
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:19,000
So, that someone doesn't just put a dumpster, it sits out there, no work is being done for whatever reasons for extended period of time, and then the neighbors are dealing with the, you know,

1152
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:25,000
not improve property and the dumpster sitting out.

1153
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:38,000
So, I think 10 days is too short of the time because sometimes people do have remodels and they do work on the weekends or they do, you know, their contractors may be earning.

1154
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:51,000
Doing evenings or weekends, but I do think a year is a considerable amount of time for a residential property to have a dumpster sitting out.

1155
01:16:51,000 --> 01:17:05,000
So, I would like to suggest not that we have a dumpster permit, but that we do look at some way where the dumpster isn't tied to the final approval permit.

1156
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:14,000
And instead, maybe come up with some idea of if the dumpster is not being actively used for the current demolition of the house.

1157
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:21,000
That maybe we had a separate ordinance of how long the dumpster can be sitting on a piece of property.

1158
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:25,000
So, there is some reports for the students.

1159
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,000
Mr. Porto, Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Sir.

1160
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,000
You know, we would have a chance to talk about it.

1161
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:36,000
That's too much. Certainly ask Steve to, you know, what is initial comments.

1162
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,000
We talked about it just a couple of minutes earlier today.

1163
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:46,000
In the air, we're certainly open to seeing what we can come up with to address the concerns.

1164
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:56,000
You know, we want to make sure we, if we approve something, it's something we can reasonably enforce and also put it to scale with how big of an issue.

1165
01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:06,000
You know, we're seeing out there. And that's one question I'll ask for Steve too is we can kind of give us an idea of the kind of complaints that he receives or how many.

1166
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:13,000
You know, what he sees coming in from the standpoint of, you know, dumpster issues.

1167
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:21,000
I know that we were obviously hearing about it in the community based on, well, we heard a nine.

1168
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:33,000
And just to say at least, well, at least one of these properties, I know, this is this issues that this is a consistent.

1169
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,000
Issue for that neighborhood.

1170
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:40,000
Well, let's find what it is so that council knows there's a condominium just west to 70.

1171
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:41,000
It's one.

1172
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,000
What does it call water or water served now?

1173
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:50,000
And there dumpsters been there for over a year in its antennas court area where they keep their buildings.

1174
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:58,000
They keep their building supplies and it is right at the entrance of the country for subdivision from north to south.

1175
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,000
And they'll come, well, and that's a commercial.

1176
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,000
And they're with the second.

1177
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,000
Both of those are about the right.

1178
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,000
The trailer there, there's a pile of bricks there.

1179
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:12,000
So on the commercial side, because on that, because that wasn't in the neighborhood.

1180
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:19,000
For that one part of the issue is if you're going to have something like an apartment complex that's going to constantly.

1181
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:26,000
The constantly have open permits that could be forever forever that they have that dumpster sitting out for get.

1182
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,000
You know, it's just like it's just tied.

1183
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,000
So that's one issue.

1184
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,000
You know, I do think that there should be screening.

1185
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:42,000
And, but I also think specifically for a residential neighborhood that you know, I do also want to look at.

1186
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:46,000
Because the two dumpsters issues, in addition to the water from the crossing,

1187
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:55,000
the dumpsters that are at someone's house, that are sitting out for extended periods of time and nothing else.

1188
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:56,000
The structure.

1189
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,000
Well, and I think you've got two issues.

1190
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,000
Right.

1191
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,000
Waterfront crossing aside.

1192
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:13,000
I think when you get into dumpsters when they're allowed for a construction project, especially residential, it has always been tied.

1193
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:17,000
And a duration has always been tied to the building permit.

1194
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:26,000
I mean, that once we issue a building permit, sometimes we do give a contractor permission to begin demo because he's applied for the permit.

1195
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,000
And he wants to get going.

1196
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:36,000
So the duration has been tied to the building permit.

1197
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,000
Now, it used to be a year to go.

1198
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:44,000
A residential building permit used to be good for two years.

1199
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,000
And that was felt it was too long.

1200
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:56,000
And that got reduced way back 2001, I believe, when we adopted a different code.

1201
01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:05,000
So the bigger complaint, and obviously I would say at any given time in our city right now, we have between 450,

1202
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:09,000
to 500 active data sites in our city.

1203
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:13,000
Not all of them have dumpsters or need dumpsters.

1204
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:14,000
But some do.

1205
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:15,000
New homes.

1206
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:22,000
The one on fillets is essentially a gut rehab of the interior of that house at 404 fillets.

1207
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:28,000
So they have a dumpster that's been there quite a while, not up to a year.

1208
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:40,000
So I will say that my experience with dumpsters is we do get more complaints about what's blowing out of them than how long they're there.

1209
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:48,000
And to that end, when we receive a complaint like that, we do call the contractor, let him know what the problem is.

1210
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:54,000
The dumpster gets empty, sometimes it gets placed back on the site, sometimes it doesn't.

1211
01:21:54,000 --> 01:22:00,000
Sometimes they put a smaller dumpster out there because they don't need a bigger dumpster, and it has a lid.

1212
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:04,000
So all that helps.

1213
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:12,000
But yes, right now, and for as long as I've been with the city, the placement and duration of a dumpster is tied to a building permit.

1214
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:21,000
Now having said that, I will say 90% of the permits we issued get completed before a year is up.

1215
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:25,000
The contractor doesn't want to pay the monthly fee for that dumpster.

1216
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:36,000
And it either gets filled and removed, prior to us giving final approval, depending on where the work is at.

1217
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:42,000
And sometimes depending on the project, it can be, depending on the contractor.

1218
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:50,000
It can be out there as short as two or three months, but yes, we have had some that have been there for the duration of the permit.

1219
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:59,000
And you know, if council deems that a problem, then certainly the building division is willing to look at that.

1220
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:04,000
I do agree that issuing a dumpster permit is not the way to go.

1221
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:12,000
I don't think we need another layer of bureaucracy and yet another permit for the city to issue.

1222
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:23,000
What Mr. Perkins that I talked about today was maybe look at tying the duration of a dumpster to the stage of construction.

1223
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:33,000
And one of the thoughts was, well, maybe once we approve a drywall inspection, that's when the dumpster needs to go.

1224
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:42,000
We approve a drywall inspection and as a matter of policy are as part of a building code, maybe the new building codes were adapting.

1225
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:45,000
The dumpster should be removed from the site.

1226
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:58,000
Our experience has shown that dumpster is definitely needed for demolition and even for new construction to put old plumbing, old wiring, old whatever in the dumpster.

1227
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:08,000
And then depending on how much drywall has to get installed, a lot of that ends up being drywall waste that's thrown into the dumpster.

1228
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:18,000
So that's part of the logic for saying, once we approve a drywall inspection, you really don't need that dumpster on that site any longer.

1229
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:24,000
That's one possible option of dealing with duration.

1230
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:28,000
Because the dumpster is not in use, so they're not throwing anything in it.

1231
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:33,000
Well, that's a little bit harder to regulate.

1232
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:36,000
I did speak with the contractor at four or four full days.

1233
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:43,000
And that dumpster was dropped illegally, back in the Juneer July of last year.

1234
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:51,000
And we were notified of that. So we put a stop work order on the job and they came in and got there permit.

1235
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:57,000
Now it took him two months to get the permit. And the dumpster was there illegally for two months.

1236
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:01,000
But we did issue the permit bag in September.

1237
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:08,000
The in talking with the contractor, he wants that dumpster to be out of there by March the first.

1238
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:17,000
Simply because that's their goal to bring closure to the building permit and put the house on the market.

1239
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:27,000
There is rough in occurring. It's almost done now. So they are using the dumpster for old pipes, cast iron pipes, old electrical wiring, what have you.

1240
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:40,000
So, but again, I think the bigger complaints we get about job sites are work is starting to early or continuing to light beyond our construction hours.

1241
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,000
Hey, housekeeping is an issue.

1242
01:25:43,000 --> 01:26:01,000
I've raised one around. And more recently, with this particular subdivision, the waterfront crossing complaint and four or four full days.

1243
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:13,000
I would like you to look into some options because I feel right now the residents don't have residents of the who are next to that property have no recourse.

1244
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:18,000
And so even though it might be a minor thing that happens.

1245
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:28,000
If you're the resident that has to live next to the dumpster that's been sitting out for a year and you're constantly having to call because trash is blowing out.

1246
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:48,000
And it's not even trash from the site. It's just trashed because the dumpster and everyone knows and that's what they throw the dog waste or that's where the local dumping ground for the furniture or whatever it is, which is a herd of both of these, both of these dumpsters.

1247
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:58,000
That I've gone complaints about, you know, they would like some recourse besides being able to call and say it's going to be until the final permit.

1248
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:02,000
But he's going to get it out more trust or that one.

1249
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:07,000
But that doesn't, that doesn't solve the problem for the next one or for the other dumpsters.

1250
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:12,000
I don't think that this is a one time that this is the only time that this is happened.

1251
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:18,000
I would still like to look at some other options. I don't want to create more paperwork or more bureaucracy.

1252
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:31,000
But I do think that residents should be able to have some type of recourse if they have a problem that they have a property that is an issue and a consistent issue.

1253
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:35,000
Because at this point there's no, there's nothing they can do about it.

1254
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:49,000
I mean the most that you can say to them is, well, until the final permit happens, which is going to be a year, you know, call us the next time the trash that isn't even from this job site that's being done.

1255
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:59,000
Like I'm thinking about over on the Conway house is the one that I think, you know, it's just sitting there and we couldn't even tell what was being thrown in the house.

1256
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:05,000
I think something should be done. You don't want to create a dumpster permit.

1257
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:10,000
But just to sit back and say nothing, because not the answer.

1258
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:17,000
I wouldn't want to live next to dumpster that wasn't being utilized for its purpose for a year.

1259
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:27,000
So the drywall one suggestion you came up with sounds like a starting place to me at least.

1260
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:30,000
Any other thoughts?

1261
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:36,000
Are there covers for these receptacles, these roll-offs?

1262
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:43,000
So is it possible that we could say that a roll-off is going to be located at a spot for a particular length of time.

1263
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:48,000
Then it will require a cover when it's not being used like in the evenings.

1264
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:54,000
That way, you know, people can't come and dump the stuff and then get it blown away.

1265
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:58,000
But the problem with one of them was they dumped the couch next to it.

1266
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,000
You know, they didn't throw it in, they just dumped it next to it.

1267
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,000
This is the scene people who dumped it in the creek.

1268
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,000
Yeah.

1269
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:08,000
I mean, that's a problem with whoever's dumping nothing, the dumpster.

1270
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,000
We're dumpsters, yeah.

1271
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,000
The dumpsters act as an activist.

1272
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:13,000
Thank you.

1273
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,000
The dumpsters act as an activist.

1274
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:18,000
There's nothing to do about that.

1275
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,000
I think we look at the drywall.

1276
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:26,000
It's special to start from the drywall.

1277
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:34,000
As far as lids, I don't think the full size dumpsters grow off dumpsters that you have at waterfront crossing.

1278
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:36,000
They don't come with lids.

1279
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:39,000
I've seen smaller dumpsters that do.

1280
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:40,000
I don't think lids.

1281
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:41,000
I know what you mean.

1282
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:44,000
Put some canvas or tarp over it.

1283
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,000
And then that's going to start blowing around.

1284
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:47,000
Yeah.

1285
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:48,000
I'm not sure.

1286
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,000
Maybe.

1287
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,000
I mean, that's why we're having this discussion.

1288
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,000
I don't know.

1289
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:53,000
I don't know.

1290
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,000
I have a cover over there.

1291
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,000
You know, the wind isn't blowing it off the depth attached.

1292
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,000
I mean, that that's actually required.

1293
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:00,000
So.

1294
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,000
I think it's the same kind of thing, could be done with the way.

1295
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:12,000
I guess it could, yes.

1296
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,000
Any think further?

1297
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:22,000
So, I will take a look at this, is that one hearing and we'll come back in some options?

1298
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,000
Yeah, I think we could take a look at it.

1299
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:34,000
I think it's going to be hard to find a common theme for all the dumpsters throughout the city.

1300
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:42,000
Sometimes we just have to be diligent with our various gut tractors.

1301
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:48,000
But it's probably worthy of looking at a little further.

1302
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:50,000
Are you satisfied with that?

1303
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:54,000
Yeah, as long as we, you know, I don't have the answer.

1304
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:55,000
I just...

1305
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,000
Yeah, at this point, I don't either.

1306
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:01,000
Just thinking aloud, you know, a couple might be a good idea.

1307
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,000
Saying it has to go at the drywall inspection.

1308
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:07,000
Maybe that's a good idea, fair amount of time.

1309
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:11,000
I don't, for my own personal experience.

1310
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:15,000
I don't think it's a very prevalent of a problem.

1311
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:24,000
Most of the permits, you know, we issue 75% to 80% of our permits are residential remodeling projects.

1312
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:29,000
And of those, not many have done to you.

1313
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:33,000
And I can see why it would be a big problem for most of them.

1314
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:34,000
But if you...

1315
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,000
The few times that it is, it's kind of...

1316
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:43,000
For those residents that are living next to the problem, they don't really care if it's not a problem for everybody else.

1317
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,000
They care about what's next to them.

1318
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,000
Oh, sure.

1319
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,000
And I think the one on...

1320
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:51,000
Filets and the one on Comway World.

1321
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,000
And they'll legally drop to begin with.

1322
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:56,000
So that got off to a rough start right away.

1323
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,000
The one at Waterfront Crossing.

1324
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:04,000
We will be working with Somerset Management to relocate that staging area.

1325
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,000
Because yes, there's always...

1326
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:10,000
Work being done out there that requires a permit.

1327
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,000
That staging area was agreed upon.

1328
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:21,000
A couple of years ago when we issued some master permits to put new roofs on that.

1329
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,000
A lot of those buildings.

1330
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:29,000
To redo a lot of the e-fists to rebuild and replace a lot of the decks.

1331
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,000
And that work occurred.

1332
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:36,000
And with those master permits are finaled out.

1333
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:40,000
And I do think based on the photos that we took today.

1334
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:42,000
And some of the things we've seen in the past.

1335
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:48,000
There was never an intent to have a flatbed trailer there.

1336
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:54,000
There was never an intent to have a pile of winter salt there.

1337
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:56,000
Certainly the dumpster.

1338
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,000
I don't think anyone would have any of this.

1339
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:03,000
Because the projects aren't that big right now.

1340
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:09,000
So we will work with Somerset Management to see about getting that relocated somewhere else.

1341
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:13,000
On their community.

1342
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,000
Yes, sir.

1343
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:19,000
Can we specify the size of these dumpsters.

1344
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:24,000
Instead of 40-foot, just 20-foot, 10-footers.

1345
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:26,000
It might be more acceptable.

1346
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,000
Well, I guess we could.

1347
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:32,000
I guess though, it's the contractor saying,

1348
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:36,000
Here's how big a dumpster I need.

1349
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:39,000
And if we say, no, you can't put one that big.

1350
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:42,000
Then he might have to empty it more often.

1351
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,000
I don't know.

1352
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:49,000
My turn to be just having a mess on some of these homes are very large that they're building.

1353
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:56,000
And I would be concerned about overflowing dumpsters if we undersized it.

1354
01:33:56,000 --> 01:34:03,000
Well, I don't think dumpsters on the new homes are an issue.

1355
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:08,000
Because most of our home builders want that dumpster to go away as soon as possible.

1356
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,000
Because they've got to grade the site.

1357
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:12,000
They've got to put the driveway in.

1358
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,000
They've got to do a lot of things.

1359
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:19,000
And so, that's where the drywall inspection idea came.

1360
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:24,000
Building a new house, hanging a lot of drywall, a lot of drywall ways.

1361
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:29,000
Once that's done, usually the dumpster goes away on a new house.

1362
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:37,000
Anyway, I think it's those isolated incidents where you have a dumpster.

1363
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:42,000
Maybe the job has been done in the water for a while.

1364
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:48,000
Maybe we stopped the job and the dumpster was illegally placed to begin with.

1365
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:55,000
So I think there are different factors that come into play.

1366
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:59,000
Thank you all.

1367
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:00,000
Good discussion.

1368
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,000
Next time.

1369
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:02,000
We do.

1370
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:03,000
This is from the Administrator.

1371
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:05,000
And in 15 correction to ordinance.

1372
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:09,000
$56.75 that extended imminent domain of authorization.

1373
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:12,000
Yes, this was just an error.

1374
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:18,000
We wanted to bring to the council's attention that the reference in that award.

1375
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:21,000
And that many ordinance was to.

1376
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:22,000
The ordinance.

1377
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:23,000
$33.71.

1378
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,000
In fact, it was ordinance.

1379
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:28,000
$56.75.

1380
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:33,000
So, this is not required amendment, but we wanted to bring it to the council's attention.

1381
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:36,000
And Clark's making that change.

1382
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:37,000
So, thank you.

1383
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:38,000
Next time.

1384
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,000
Item 16.

1385
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,000
Staff report.

1386
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:42,000
Other than I north.

1387
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:43,000
Phase one.

1388
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:44,000
Grant status.

1389
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:45,000
And recommendation.

1390
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,000
Mr. Walberg will make this report.

1391
01:35:47,000 --> 01:36:05,000
Good evening.

1392
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:06,000
Further, the record.

1393
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:07,000
My name is Matt Walberg.

1394
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,000
It's the engineer for brief court.

1395
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:16,000
In your packet, staff report about the various grant opportunities and the results of our applications.

1396
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:21,000
For the 39 north phase one.

1397
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:25,000
And that's the intersection of Limburg and Old Olive.

1398
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,000
So, we have.

1399
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,000
There's the two different cost share programs.

1400
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:32,000
And we're back in September when we last talked about it.

1401
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,000
We had applied for the cost share program.

1402
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,000
But then there's this new program.

1403
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:39,000
The governor's transportation cost share program.

1404
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:42,000
And the short stories we've applied for both of those.

1405
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:46,000
And we've been successful in both of those applications.

1406
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:51,000
And that that summarized how much how much money that is.

1407
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:52,000
It's about.

1408
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:56,000
The two combined is about 1.6 million.

1409
01:36:56,000 --> 01:37:02,000
The two programs have different timelines and different restrictions.

1410
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,000
With.

1411
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:08,000
And I think the most the most important one to talk about is this governor's.

1412
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,000
A lot of the pressure program.

1413
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:14,000
We don't really know the exact schedule that yet.

1414
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:15,000
Not sure.

1415
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:18,000
Mode not really knows that exact schedule.

1416
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:19,000
Okay.

1417
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:21,000
But all indications.

1418
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:25,000
First indications are we got were that we'd have to spend the construction funds.

1419
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:27,000
And and that.

1420
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:29,000
By this.

1421
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:31,000
By the end of June of this year.

1422
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:32,000
And and that.

1423
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:36,000
Would not have been feasible from a skinny product we'd have.

1424
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:44,240
We're now seeing that as being by the end of June next year, and that still carries

1425
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:51,360
a concern, that timeline still feels too short when we need easements and utility

1426
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:58,240
relocation, it's intersection, everything has to go right, and even then it might be

1427
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:00,040
a stretch to meet that.

1428
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:06,560
That's like Governor's transportation and costure program to be really effective.

1429
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:12,320
We'd have to be out to bid, probably in about a year, and to spend roughly $600,000

1430
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:18,960
of the construction funds by June 30th of next year.

1431
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:28,800
That is a concern that it is funny that we have in hand, and I don't think we necessarily

1432
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:33,240
make a decision on that, or it's hard to make a recommended decision on that until we really

1433
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:39,960
know what the timeline is for us, but it is funny that we've been awarded, but I'm

1434
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:44,720
not exactly sure we're going to be able to use.

1435
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:52,560
I'm kind of laid out two paths in the staff, and we have the first path that is trying

1436
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:57,680
to use this funding and really push to get this construction started in about a year.

1437
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:03,240
The second path is really what we envisioned when we didn't have the Governor's

1438
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:10,980
transportation and costure program that didn't exist was to pursue federal funding through this

1439
01:39:10,980 --> 01:39:19,160
current grant round for this project, and in that way the project would be built in fiscal year

1440
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:27,200
24, and that's really consistent with the CIP, that's what we had laid out last spring.

1441
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:36,640
The recommendation is to really pursue the federal funding for this project now, and not count

1442
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:44,560
on this Governor's transportation costure program, and to submit that federal application for the

1443
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:52,960
Old Island Limburg Interchange Interchange on February 13th, so with that deadline coming

1444
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:58,600
up we would be coming back to the city council, and the next meeting was the recommendation

1445
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:03,760
for having that resolution to support the application for the federal funding.

1446
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:12,560
They want to just bring that tonight, because there's a potential to discuss several different options,

1447
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:19,080
and I guess the option, the alternative federal application would be applying for a similar

1448
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:25,880
amount of federal funding for Craig Road, and I think that's the next application and that's

1449
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:34,800
the vision of the CIP, it's probably the private street with the most need, and I guess if we

1450
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:43,400
if we pursued the Governor's program and tried to do that, tried to owe the Old Island Limburg

1451
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:50,900
outside of the federal process, we would recommend applying for a grant application for Craig Road this

1452
01:40:50,900 --> 01:41:00,860
year, the C is also doubling its cost in a way by doing that, so I think that has more

1453
01:41:00,860 --> 01:41:11,220
complications than solutions, so that's where we're not recommending pursuing that Governor's program

1454
01:41:11,220 --> 01:41:17,740
right now, or we're recommending pursuing the federal program, and if the Governor's program

1455
01:41:17,740 --> 01:41:26,940
somehow gets extended, then that's kind of a bonus for us, a little bit, sorry, a little bit

1456
01:41:26,940 --> 01:41:34,220
confusing perhaps with the three different programs, we'd be happy to go through any of the funding

1457
01:41:34,220 --> 01:41:46,140
that summary of what we've been awarded, what we're seeking, what we seek to pay, that's where

1458
01:41:46,140 --> 01:41:51,980
any other questions you have, thank you, this is all of our questions, covers, thoughts.

1459
01:41:51,980 --> 01:41:58,220
We were aware of this when we applied and sort of did this in case federal funding, if I recall correctly.

1460
01:41:58,220 --> 01:42:04,140
One of the reasons we applied for the Governor's Transportation Program was because we didn't

1461
01:42:04,140 --> 01:42:10,500
know we didn't know whether or not we would get the first one, and so both of those are state

1462
01:42:10,500 --> 01:42:17,060
run, the cost share program, and it's a shame they're both called the cost share program,

1463
01:42:17,060 --> 01:42:23,980
so it makes it a little confusing or maybe a lot confusing, that the cost share funding with the

1464
01:42:23,980 --> 01:42:29,820
million dollars, that is federally funded, it's just state administered, that's why it's on the same

1465
01:42:29,820 --> 01:42:34,220
schedules that you federal STP grant program.

1466
01:42:34,220 --> 01:42:47,340
No, that cost share program, if we don't move forward to 2024, we're not going to lose it,

1467
01:42:47,340 --> 01:42:49,340
correct?

1468
01:42:49,340 --> 01:43:01,100
The cost share, the state cost, that program, we've applied for funding for part of the design right

1469
01:43:01,100 --> 01:43:06,780
away construction, all those phases, so we would move forward probably within the next year

1470
01:43:06,780 --> 01:43:07,780
or year and a half.

1471
01:43:07,780 --> 01:43:10,780
We could still use part of that to do all those things.

1472
01:43:10,780 --> 01:43:11,780
Correct.

1473
01:43:11,780 --> 01:43:17,780
And so the Governor's program, is there any negative consequences for us to say thanks, but no

1474
01:43:17,780 --> 01:43:18,780
thanks to that?

1475
01:43:18,780 --> 01:43:28,220
I guess if I think eventually the city may actually say that, I don't think there's a negative

1476
01:43:28,220 --> 01:43:29,780
consequence to it.

1477
01:43:29,780 --> 01:43:35,900
I might, I would advise waiting until we know the, when, what the deadline would be.

1478
01:43:35,900 --> 01:43:41,140
Can we wait to put some of what it's going to be?

1479
01:43:41,140 --> 01:43:47,340
So I think that's up to, in a way, up to mode out of when we start rolling out the agreements for

1480
01:43:47,340 --> 01:43:48,340
the grants, but.

1481
01:43:48,340 --> 01:44:12,980
That's certainly not guaranteed, it is, I think the project has a lot of, a lot of good

1482
01:44:12,980 --> 01:44:22,300
things going for it, it removes a significant barrier, a literal barrier in the middle

1483
01:44:22,300 --> 01:44:31,540
of Lindbergg, and introduces the sidewalk crossing and the bike path crossing, but really

1484
01:44:31,540 --> 01:44:42,940
the connection of old olive, that has a pretty big impact for that 39-hour district.

1485
01:44:42,940 --> 01:44:49,220
With the, the studies done with the, the great streets plan and the master plan, I think

1486
01:44:49,220 --> 01:44:55,420
there's a lot of support, a lot of backup documentation for the city saying, well, we think

1487
01:44:55,420 --> 01:44:59,340
this is a good idea, it's not, it's not just the city saying, we think it's a good idea, but

1488
01:44:59,340 --> 01:45:00,060
there's a lot of research.

1489
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:11,000
I think it does have some, it does have a good amount of, it will score well in that application.

1490
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:19,000
And it's a, it's a way that the city takes over old allot for mode access. We do have that support.

1491
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:23,000
And we will support from the neighboring property owners.

1492
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:26,000
I think we're going to start now with Governor's program.

1493
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:29,000
And then get stuck with the room to the cost.

1494
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:32,000
We're not going to be looking at the SDK there.

1495
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:33,000
Right.

1496
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,000
I mean, that's actually a real criminal.

1497
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:39,000
And in, in a way, we're, we're, we're somewhat back to where we were in September.

1498
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:42,000
When we, you know, do we apply for this governor's program?

1499
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:47,000
Because we don't really know if we have the, the, the cost share award.

1500
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:52,000
We're a little bit in that situation here with the federal money.

1501
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:58,000
We don't know, we don't exactly what the terms of the governor's program are.

1502
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:05,000
And yet we, we don't, we can't wait until we know before we apply for the SDK grant.

1503
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:06,000
All right.

1504
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,000
There's no guarantee.

1505
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:19,000
But from a scheduling standpoint, I find it hard to rely on that governor's program.

1506
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:34,000
If it, if it is going to be there, we have to build at least 600,000 dollars of that project or 575 of that project by June 30 next year.

1507
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:40,000
Yeah, the, the fear of that is just, just having a right away phase at all in this project.

1508
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:43,000
I mean, Emerson takes a certain amount of time.

1509
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:45,000
They all take a certain amount of time.

1510
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:48,000
The season we reviewed by mode out at every phase.

1511
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:52,000
And we know we have to move at least one utility pool.

1512
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:53,000
How could any.

1513
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:54,000
I don't know.

1514
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:59,000
You see, that's why, so they change, you know, and that would be our benefit if the changes.

1515
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:03,000
Because I don't think anybody could get it done in 18 months or less.

1516
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:04,000
Right.

1517
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:08,000
If, if this was, say, the firm via resurfacing project.

1518
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:11,000
Yes, that could be done by the next summer.

1519
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:15,000
Because it's, you know, it's resurfacing a road.

1520
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:21,000
This is more complicated.

1521
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:30,000
So I guess the, the point of all this is that we're, the recommendations that we would apply for the federal funding with this current grant round.

1522
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:31,000
And then we would.

1523
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:32,000
We would.

1524
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:33,000
Yeah.

1525
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:46,000
I mean, we, we talked quite a bit about this.

1526
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:49,000
The, you know, it's a tough call.

1527
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:54,000
But, you know, this timeline that they're talking about is just unrealistic.

1528
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:58,000
And then when you've got these utilities and mass talking about right away, easements,

1529
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:00,000
it's just no way.

1530
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:08,000
And, and my, my concern also is that we've got these projects that if we have to rush through this one,

1531
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:09,000
then.

1532
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:14,000
Or we're going to be able to keep up with, you know, woesley and somebody's other projects that are important.

1533
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:17,000
You know, to get done to and get done right.

1534
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:23,000
Because they've all got lots of record keeping lots of grant obligations too.

1535
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:25,000
So that's the concern.

1536
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,000
And I have council on Lawrence.

1537
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:31,000
I think the tier question is, are it negative?

1538
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:34,000
I think the negative would be if we.

1539
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:36,000
If I say for the.

1540
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:41,000
Emerson or more, more so for the mostly project to be on the right away phase next year.

1541
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:44,000
If we're not paying attention to that.

1542
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:47,000
Give it enough attention to that and it fails.

1543
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:51,000
If the future for one of those like for another governor's program.

1544
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:53,000
Would be a thing.

1545
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:54,000
Yeah.

1546
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:56,000
Do you get our names?

1547
01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:58,000
Because you said no type on this one.

1548
01:48:58,000 --> 01:48:59,000
Right.

1549
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:00,000
And I.

1550
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:04,000
I don't know if there would be another governor's program.

1551
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:06,000
Okay.

1552
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:12,000
Everybody sort of in agreement.

1553
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:15,000
The direction that we're.

1554
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:17,000
The heading.

1555
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:18,000
Thank you.

1556
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:19,000
Thank you.

1557
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:20,000
Over.

1558
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,000
Next item.

1559
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:23,000
Please.

1560
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:26,000
And I'm 17 planning and so many staff report.

1561
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:27,000
Nice.

1562
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:50,000
I thought I would change my report up a little bit for you this evening and show a few pictures.

1563
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:51,000
Thank you.

1564
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:57,000
I don't know if you can expect us every month, but for this update, I thought it might be useful for you.

1565
01:49:57,000 --> 01:50:03,000
Some things that are that we've received for applications and items are going to be going forward to P and Z.

1566
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:06,000
Give you the information tonight.

1567
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:16,000
This is a project that proposes a new apartment building.

1568
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,000
This is in the East Olive Corridor.

1569
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:22,000
This property is located right here.

1570
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:25,000
So if you're familiar, there's there's a couple of houses.

1571
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:28,000
I mean, there's actually three houses on the north side of Olive.

1572
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,000
There's two office buildings here.

1573
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:32,000
Spaniard Road is here.

1574
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:36,000
So it's those properties right there.

1575
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:42,000
Those houses would be demolished and this new apartment building is being proposed.

1576
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:45,000
This area is owned CB core business district.

1577
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:46,000
This is the only area.

1578
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,000
Extendable for the west.

1579
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:51,000
But this is the only area that's owned CB in the East Olive Corridor.

1580
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:54,000
Most of it's zone GC general commercial.

1581
01:50:54,000 --> 01:51:01,000
So, but since it's zone CB, it allows apartment buildings of up to 20 units an acre as a permitted use.

1582
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:03,000
So there's no conditional use permit.

1583
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:04,000
There's no rezoning.

1584
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:06,000
It's straight the zoning allows for it.

1585
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:12,000
It's just a site plan approval where we look at the layout of the building and the materials and design and so forth.

1586
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:19,000
And so we're expecting this will be ready to present to the P and Z commission next Tuesday for their review.

1587
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:24,000
The building and just to give you a layout is that it would front olive.

1588
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:26,000
This is the site plan here.

1589
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:27,000
This is the outline of building.

1590
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:29,000
It's one building with 20 units.

1591
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:31,000
The site is just over one acre size.

1592
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:35,000
So they're maximizing their allowable density for the site.

1593
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:41,000
The parking would be concentrated along the side and to the rear and they're proposing some parkboards back there as well.

1594
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:45,000
But again, what you're going to see along olive would be mostly the building.

1595
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:48,000
You're not going to see a lot of the parking.

1596
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:49,000
Yeah.

1597
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:51,000
One structure would be here.

1598
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:52,000
Parkboard here behind the building.

1599
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:53,000
Directly behind.

1600
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:55,000
So this is all of running down here.

1601
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:58,000
You wouldn't see it to be all the way behind the building.

1602
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:03,000
The other one would have a little bit of visibility but it's running north and south over in this area.

1603
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:04,000
And the rest of these would be open.

1604
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:11,000
So about half the parking spaces required for the building would be covered with parkboards half would be open.

1605
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:18,000
There's landscaping proposed here sidewalk connecting to the public sidewalk on olive.

1606
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:23,000
We're asking for some enhanced landscaping here because of the existing office building.

1607
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:26,000
So we still got some recommendations involved.

1608
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:30,000
But this would be essentially the layout that we.

1609
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:31,000
That's Huck-in's building.

1610
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:32,000
That's correct.

1611
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:33,000
Yeah.

1612
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:35,000
He's attending that building right here.

1613
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:39,000
Detention would be featured back in here in this area would be under stir.

1614
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:41,000
Most of it back in this area.

1615
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:44,000
You see a lot of regrating here to support the new parking lot.

1616
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:49,000
There'd be a small regaining wall running along here again to level off the site.

1617
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:53,000
And the building again would mostly be in this area here.

1618
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:55,000
And in terms of the design.

1619
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:57,000
This is what being proposed.

1620
01:52:57,000 --> 01:52:58,000
It would be four stories tall.

1621
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:00,000
Again, a total of 20 units.

1622
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:03,000
So quite a big project for this site.

1623
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,000
But it is allowed personas.

1624
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:08,000
So no special approvals would be necessary.

1625
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:10,000
Balconies would be proposed.

1626
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:12,000
Another thing these would all be two bedroom units.

1627
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:15,000
About 1100 square feet in size each.

1628
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:18,000
So these would not be small efficiency units.

1629
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:22,000
These are actually pretty well sized for a four rental across.

1630
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:27,000
They're also talking about having an amenity deck on it as well.

1631
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:30,000
Which would be somewhere in this area.

1632
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:31,000
Some seating.

1633
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:35,000
So a little bit of outdoor amenity space to go along with it.

1634
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:37,000
I bring this to your attention.

1635
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:38,000
Because you will not see this.

1636
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:40,000
You're not required to act or approve it.

1637
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:42,000
It's all within the hands of PNZ.

1638
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:45,000
So just want to give you a heads up on this project.

1639
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:47,000
It's pretty significant.

1640
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:48,000
Yeah.

1641
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:49,000
You can see here.

1642
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:50,000
These are what colors are proposed.

1643
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:53,000
So we don't have any bright yellows or greens or anything like that.

1644
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:54,000
This one.

1645
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:58,000
We do think it resembles the view quite a bit in design.

1646
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:02,000
If you just do a kind of a quick look, it looks very much like the view.

1647
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:04,000
The architect has told us it's not.

1648
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:07,000
But us it resembles the view.

1649
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:09,000
So I think it's very similar to the view.

1650
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:11,000
What are the things that are staring at the view?

1651
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:12,000
They seem to be water.

1652
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:13,000
Yeah, they are.

1653
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:14,000
They're waterproofing.

1654
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:17,000
They're doing some awnings and things relative to water.

1655
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:20,000
And water issues that are freezing and causing some problems.

1656
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:23,000
And they've got elevator issues because of the freezing weather.

1657
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:25,000
So they're going back and doing some of that repair.

1658
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:26,000
Okay.

1659
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:29,000
The next thing I wanted to share with you tonight is Shamanah.

1660
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:32,000
They've submitted application for a brand new standalone basketball arena.

1661
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:35,000
And if you can read here, they have a major donor.

1662
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:37,000
His name is Bradley Beal.

1663
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:39,000
He's an MBA basketball player.

1664
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:40,000
Pretty well known.

1665
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:43,000
I don't follow MBA, but I can Google them.

1666
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:45,000
Yeah, he's a pretty good basketball player.

1667
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:47,000
And he wants to Shamanah.

1668
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:49,000
So he is giving back to his alma mater.

1669
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,000
And it's proposing this arena.

1670
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:53,000
You can see here.

1671
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:55,000
We don't have all the specifics yet on the material.

1672
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:57,000
We're working through that with the applicant.

1673
01:54:57,000 --> 01:54:59,000
We just got these plans other day.

1674
01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:01,000
But since it's submitted, I want to share with you.

1675
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:04,000
In terms of its location on the campus, this is Limburg here.

1676
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:06,000
North is up.

1677
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:09,000
This is the football stadium and the new baseball stadium.

1678
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:12,000
So it's mostly central to the campus.

1679
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:13,000
Which is nice.

1680
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:15,000
It's not going to be on the perimeter.

1681
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:17,000
Should have minimal impact to any residential areas.

1682
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:22,000
And in this case, this uses all indoors versus a stadium with PA systems outdoor.

1683
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:28,000
So with all that in mind, it should be minimally impactful to any other residents.

1684
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:31,000
The other thing I wanted to bring your attention.

1685
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:33,000
We are working with Amran.

1686
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:36,000
And we've been doing so over the summer.

1687
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:39,000
We're hearing that there may be delayed.

1688
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:42,000
But we're kind of excited about the prospect of this.

1689
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:44,000
And we're hoping that maybe it can come sooner.

1690
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:46,000
But it does sound like they are.

1691
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:50,000
And the project would be a relocation of that substation.

1692
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:54,000
So if you've seen that very rusty, nasty looking equipment,

1693
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:59,000
they are proposing to relocate that to this parking lot here.

1694
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:02,000
So they would do a land swap with the owner of the shopping center.

1695
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:03,000
Onal.

1696
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:04,000
Yes, thank you.

1697
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:05,000
It's onal.

1698
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:07,000
So this is a US bank here.

1699
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:09,000
This is the Aldi Center here that just had a renovation.

1700
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:11,000
And it would be a land swap.

1701
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:15,000
And in fact, my understanding is that land purchase is already closed.

1702
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:18,000
So Amran has purchased this property.

1703
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:21,000
And we have reviewed plans, issued comments.

1704
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:23,000
Pretty near the end of our review.

1705
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:25,000
But then we heard they're delaying it.

1706
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:27,000
And they may not proceed for another year.

1707
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:31,000
We're hopeful that this was for because we think it would have a lot of positive impacts

1708
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:32,000
to the community.

1709
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:34,000
Get that site clear away.

1710
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:36,000
If equipment would be all new.

1711
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:38,000
It would be landscape and screen back here.

1712
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:42,000
And then this would be open to any future development potential.

1713
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:44,000
And I think that's what we get cut through.

1714
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:45,000
Yeah.

1715
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:46,000
Let me show you.

1716
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:47,000
That's a good question.

1717
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:49,000
This is a very basic site plan.

1718
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:50,000
You would have.

1719
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:52,000
The cut through now comes through here.

1720
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:54,000
They would just relocate itself.

1721
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:56,000
So you would still have the ability to cut through.

1722
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:57,000
They would just relocate it.

1723
01:56:57,000 --> 01:57:00,000
To the banks.

1724
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:01,000
Okay.

1725
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:03,000
So here's the existing cut through right now.

1726
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:04,000
You can come through here.

1727
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:07,000
That would go away because equipment will be in here for Amran.

1728
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:10,000
And a new road would come through here.

1729
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:12,000
So you would still have access.

1730
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:15,000
We were working with them on some sidewalks.

1731
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:17,000
And actually better access.

1732
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:18,000
Yeah.

1733
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:19,000
It is.

1734
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:22,000
And then they would try to put in a make up a few parking spaces up here.

1735
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:25,000
You can see on some of the pedestrian accommodations.

1736
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:27,000
We're also trying to work with them.

1737
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:29,000
But certainly a.

1738
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:32,000
Because viewed as a positive project.

1739
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:33,000
For the city.

1740
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:37,000
We're just waiting to see when they might schedule that for a former view by a PNZ.

1741
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:38,000
That is a conditioning experiment.

1742
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:40,000
So it would come to you eventually.

1743
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:41,000
When it gets that point.

1744
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:43,000
So because of the updates.

1745
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:46,000
I had for you this evening to have to answer any other questions.

1746
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:49,000
The trees are installed.

1747
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:53,000
I don't know if you noticed that they have all the new trees on the perimeter.

1748
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:57,000
They still do not had the fencing up yet.

1749
01:57:57,000 --> 01:58:01,000
And they're not ready to install the shrubs yet due to the web.

1750
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:05,000
So we have had some weather concerns.

1751
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:11,000
They also need to install a retaining wall on that north lot that is sold.

1752
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:16,000
So there is some activity, but it's it's very slow.

1753
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,000
But we have issued one permit for the house.

1754
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:22,000
And we hear the other one is in contract discussions.

1755
01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:26,000
So I think we're at two in terms of the nine lots.

1756
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:27,000
Two of them.

1757
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:30,000
Initially it was three that were sold down to.

1758
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:32,000
One permit's been issued.

1759
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:34,000
Have they picked that permit up?

1760
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:36,000
As of last week they have not.

1761
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:41,000
Yeah, very slow.

1762
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:45,000
I was excited to see the trees come up.

1763
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:46,000
That helps.

1764
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:48,000
But obviously there's a long way to go.

1765
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:51,000
Thank you for your comment.

1766
01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:53,000
Thank you.

1767
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:58,000
Would like the property next to first community credit union, the residents?

1768
01:58:58,000 --> 01:58:59,000
No activity.

1769
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:04,000
Oh, well, we have two houses that are there to not in great shape houses.

1770
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:07,000
Are you talking about those of the vacant lot next to them?

1771
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:09,000
The one with the Cadillac?

1772
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:10,000
Yes.

1773
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:13,000
I believe that is scheduled for demolition.

1774
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:14,000
Just demolition?

1775
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:15,000
Yeah.

1776
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:20,000
I don't know of any purchase activity over there that I can speak to.

1777
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:24,000
Is that from even the chair still?

1778
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:25,000
Excuse me?

1779
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:26,000
Is that right?

1780
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:28,000
Is the structure there secure still?

1781
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:30,000
We can check on that.

1782
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:31,000
The last that I saw.

1783
01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:33,000
They were moving a lot of stuff out of the house.

1784
01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:36,000
It's probably more secure than it in.

1785
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:38,000
Yeah.

1786
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:41,000
I can't tell you that it's sure for now.

1787
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:42,000
No.

1788
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:46,000
I've heard it's quite quite an in-system problem.

1789
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:48,000
Any additional questions or filaments?

1790
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:50,000
Any other business?

1791
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:52,000
Any reason for executive assessment?

1792
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:53,000
No.

1793
01:59:53,000 --> 01:59:54,000
Who's a journalist?

1794
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:55,000
Any discussion?

1795
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:57,000
Dr. Wardstein?

1796
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:58,000
Aye.

1797
01:59:58,000 --> 01:59:59,000
Please.

1798
01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:00,000
Thank you.

1799
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:12,000
Yes, thank you very much.