[0:11] the money
[0:21] um
[0:38] good evening everybody i'd like to call
this meeting to order
[0:41] you must like say a prayer
we stand for the pledge allegiance
[0:48] i pledge allegiance to the flag of the
united states of america
[0:52] and to the republic for which it stands
one nation under god indivisible with
[0:59] liberty and justice for all
[1:08] roll call mr ashford
mr hayes
[1:27] oh
[1:31] this was ella
[1:34] mr michael yes he would have won mayor
brown yes mr ashford yes yes
[1:40] yes
and there is no public comment this
[1:44] evening
[1:47] administrators report right okay i know
i know it looks long but i'll go quick
[1:53] anyway uh events and
recreation of course we got ice fest
[1:56] going on right now uh
good report on crowds last week looking
[2:00] at the
initial traffic counts it look they look
[2:03] pretty good um i didn't i needed to
compare it to the
[2:07] say the weekend before and to see really
what's going on but we had
[2:11] we had just on sunday alone well over 10
000 cars coming to town that was just on
[2:16] sunday
and i hear that saturday was even
[2:19] greater number of people but from the
council probably about the same i think
[2:23] i thought sunday was busier
from
[2:25] from the traffic counts it was so did
you say we had account for my sure you
[2:30] don't have that i don't i don't have
those weekends for last year but we'll
[2:33] get that when we wrap everything up well
let's do it anyways more ice arrived
[2:38] today and there will be more carvings
scheduled to be completed before this
[2:42] weekend
um
[2:44] the gas enrolled sea store has excuse me
right sure i just had a couple comments
[2:49] this but yeah um
i kind of take an uh informal poll on my
[2:54] people when they come in if i have time
they're a little busy down there too
[2:58] which was great the crowds were
phenomenal some of the comments i
[3:03] they were
parking of course not a lot we all know
[3:07] that was going to be a problem
there was some concerns about
[3:11] mostly from locals
stopping traffic at 5th street
[3:16] i agree that we should keep doing that
and i explained to them
[3:20] at least in my mind the reason we do
that
[3:23] is when people get to fourth street they
got to turn right or left and we had
[3:27] almost a steady stream of pedestrians
yeah and is that pretty correct that's
[3:32] why we're doing that and it it would
have created a bottleneck probably up to
[3:36] the gasoline roll um
uh some people were a little bit uh
[3:43] not disappointed but their comments were
they thought there'd be more carvings
[3:48] yeah this this year i think at this
point we're down and one reason is
[3:54] is because
they've had five carvers in the la in
[3:57] the in the past and i got three carvers
this year
[4:01] and and while they
committed to taking up that slack those
[4:05] three carvers
they kind of got a little behind i guess
[4:09] because of the weather and they didn't
want to get too much put out there
[4:12] because of the impending weather that's
why more ice came today and then and
[4:16] they uh marketing assured me that they
should be out there carving tomorrow so
[4:21] so while it is unfortunate
and i think i think
[4:25] the main comments have been big crowd
fewer carpets yeah but they didn't
[4:31] comment that the cardinals they were
pretty spectacular they are also uh
[4:36] um what how many uh ported
port bodies or whatnot and where were
[4:41] they does anybody know that
[4:46] they're shown behind the beer tank i
never got down there were they up on
[4:50] this
steve with public works um
[4:53] there are four
at second bennett
[4:58] on the north side of bennett
and then there are three or four right
[5:04] down behind the tent kind of
second street still on second street
[5:12] i don't know if we even have a space
kind of in between where we could put
[5:16] maybe one
or two of those
[5:19] i'm not saying we need to increase
the number of them but or maybe down
[5:23] there that wasn't enough i don't know uh
is is what we have this year
[5:28] typical um i don't track that that would
be a marketing thing well
[5:32] let's look into that
because that's that's good they could
[5:35] throw a couple more on i know it's going
to cost
[5:51] and john set up over there and i agree i
mean it it's not going to be
[5:55] substantially more money but no but to
tell people yeah go over by the train
[6:00] station we've got some over there
anywhere else on bennett is not a good
[6:04] spot because of the sculptures because
of the food and that kind of stuff if we
[6:08] could get them on third i was thinking
about that there's not a real good spot
[6:12] on third
city hall parking lot because it is
[6:15] closed might be a spot for it you know
i've done it in the past and i just got
[6:20] by me this year i'll put a big sign in
my window that says feel free to use our
[6:24] restroom look at that
[6:27] those were the only
comments i had what's that i'll check
[6:30] and see if you need a permit for that
sign
[6:34] i think there is a formula on
so many
[6:41] corn johnson
people yeah
[6:48] all i had but great jobs good job so do
we know why that was less cultured
[6:53] yeah that's what i was saying we had we
had three three sculpting outfits come
[6:58] in rather than five this year
and part of it was because i think of
[7:01] some of the problems that have happened
in the past i think just
[7:05] i'm not sure of all the details but they
they elected
[7:08] the ice committee elected to just bring
the tree back this year and those three
[7:11] were supposed to be able to take up the
slack and had just as many ice carvings
[7:15] but i know when i talked to
the marketing department
[7:19] on wednesday
they were running a little bit behind
[7:23] the carvers were and they were concerned
about the weather and whatnot so
[7:28] so that's why they're making it up they
should be out there tomorrow carving and
[7:32] so so while this weekend will be better
it would still be nice to had a full
[7:37] full streak
last last weekend too
[7:41] be nice when you get the word out i
think we did a little bit to the
[7:44] news station saying hey we have more
eyes and more sculptures for next
[7:47] weekend we have been getting a lot of
medium coverage it's been pretty good
[7:52] yeah there were a couple blogs and a
good day
[7:54] that
you know we came up here and
[7:57] wasn't
much to see and other people going oh
[8:01] good i'm glad we didn't come up so it
kind of hit us a little bit but yeah
[8:04] we'll work through it somebody was
sharing oh it was it was the hitching
[8:08] post down there saying that people came
in there and they didn't complain about
[8:12] the number they said they'd been up
long on or somewhere and he said this
[8:15] was much better oh good
good good good
[8:19] anything else on that okay
the gas and roll c store opened up this
[8:24] weekend um paul and some others uh kind
of jump through some hoops to to get my
[8:29] to get signatures on on on the prevents
and whatnot so
[8:34] got that and i guess there's still the
official ribbon cutting i guess for this
[8:37] coming third or wednesday
yeah next thursday the 25th
[8:44] um
a couple of us uh councilman uh ashworth
[8:48] and i attended the county cares award
ceremony up at the heritage center last
[8:52] tuesday on the ninth it was very well
attended i mean it was packed and the
[8:57] heritage center and that group did a
good job getting things set up
[9:01] i think the wild blue i think the
wildlife catered it forget who catered
[9:05] it the line was so long for the food i
just had coffee
[9:09] um and then it would have been longer
probably could have been another
[9:12] establishment serving but you know i'd
like to think so yeah and then and then
[9:16] there was a list a long list of
well-deserving recipients
[9:21] but there was no stand-up comedians this
year because
[9:24] you didn't say anything no i didn't
murder god yeah that's right mary yeah
[9:29] mary did mary mary bill's close got the
uh got the
[9:33] centennial award or something i thought
she didn't look 100 but you know
[9:39] so there was a stand up to me
well i was sitting down
[9:44] anyway
we talked last time about the permit of
[9:48] permit amendment 11 for triple clicking
victor gold mining company
[9:52] and how they were planning on submitting
an amendment to the amendment which they
[9:56] did
which means that the comment period now
[9:59] has been extended assuming it get got in
the paper today which would have been
[10:04] the courier
assuming they got in the paper today
[10:07] they'll advertise for four consecutive
weeks then there's 20 day period just to
[10:12] when comments at the end so they will
take it to march 29th so i'll be
[10:17] looking at that permit looking at the
amendment to the amendment see what's
[10:20] going on and assuming that you all
want to review the comments you want to
[10:25] submit them
city staff will go ahead and submit
[10:28] those
city council members attended the annual
[10:33] colorado municipal league legislative
update last week in denver
[10:37] and
of course met with some legislators
[10:39] there got some updates the governor gave
a speech kind of the kind of state of
[10:43] the state speech
and then uh and then while we were there
[10:48] a bill that uh that creek is
actually sponsoring this year in the
[10:52] legislator legislature it's senate bill
16-73
[10:58] and while it may seem kind of insane i
don't know how many people have asked to
[11:02] be audited
uh purple creek is is asking that the
[11:06] true gaming
that the state auditor be allowed to
[11:09] audit the three
gaming communities in colorado
[11:14] and as far as how
the use of exterior preservation funds
[11:18] are being used
uh we think that we're doing quite well
[11:22] and we're staying within what the voters
voted in and expected in 1991 we just
[11:27] want to make sure the other two gaming
towns are spending those money
[11:30] like they're supposed to be oddly enough
without this bill
[11:35] the state auditor cannot audit us
for the use of state funds those
[11:40] particular funds it's kind of kind of an
odd thing and so
[11:44] to us it's a transparency bill and
there's a couple reasons why we want to
[11:47] do that is make sure that the
funds are being spent properly and
[11:51] wisely
and to make sure that the voters know
[11:54] that we're spending them properly and
wisely so if another initiative comes up
[11:59] which it likely might
before november another ballot
[12:02] initiative to try to expand gaming in
colorado that the people will know that
[12:07] these two gaming communities are above
board and they won't say well they're
[12:11] they're wasting money anyway let's just
go ahead and make gaming happen in
[12:13] pueblo and other places so that's
another reason why we're doing it
[12:18] but anyway uh
mayor brown
[12:21] paul harris finance director myself we
testified before the senate finance
[12:26] committee in support of the bill
blackhawk got up and in support of the
[12:31] bill as well they wanted an amendment to
it
[12:34] really an amendment that we just changed
put a sunset clause on like after 10
[12:39] years that if if the auditor doesn't
find anything that the bill would die
[12:44] but it could only be voted back in
and then it passed today on the second
[12:49] region before the senate and it needs to
pass the third reading before the senate
[12:53] before it moves to the house of
representatives for approval that will
[12:56] happen in the
in the next several weeks
[12:59] well tomorrow
unless you all tell me not to
[13:03] i'm scheduled to give the update for creek at the fourth annual
[13:07] keller county outlook that will be held
at the u pass cultural center of
[13:11] woodland park
starts at 7 30 tomorrow morning so i'll
[13:14] be going directly to there in the
morning i'll be finishing my
[13:17] presentation after this meeting to be
fresh in my mind for the morning
[13:23] um
there's you know there's a lot of good
[13:27] stuff to talk about uh this year last
year
[13:30] we were the the term we used last year
was cautiously optimistic we were
[13:35] talking about there was talk of a
convenience store going in and so we saw
[13:40] that the numbers from 2015 with the
gaming industry and even sales tax were
[13:46] positive the c-store has gone in open
we've had several businesses open so
[13:51] i'll be just kind of listing off some of
those businesses that have gone in over
[13:54] the last year and if you
if you i didn't bring the list with you
[13:58] but you know if you just think about it
we've got of course the convenience
[14:00] store gas station has gone in the auto
repair store
[14:04] borealis brothers pizza
beer works
[14:10] there's talk of another pizza place
borealis or whatever expanding down on
[14:14] bennett avenue
new owners of the seas of the triple
[14:18] creek candy store
and so all of those point to
[14:22] people having
faith and and
[14:25] encouraged by the economic outcome of
triple creeks so i think growth spot is
[14:29] great you know
so that's kind of the message i'll be
[14:33] sending
and the last thing i want to talk about
[14:35] tonight
we talked about it late last year
[14:39] when we put out solicitation to
businesses of the
[14:43] owners of existing build buildings in
town for solicitation for a possible
[14:47] relocation and update of our kids
station
[14:51] we sent those out we got a few bids back
and really
[14:55] any of the buildings that were offered
the ones
[14:57] that kind of fit
what the need would be
[15:01] were really expensive you know like
three million bucks
[15:05] and so so we decided because you know
the thought was if we could
[15:09] take a vacant building in town and
repurpose it that's better than
[15:14] it could be better than building a new
building still having a vacant building
[15:17] well
while it was a great idea it didn't it's
[15:20] a great idea because i thought
but it was an okay idea it didn't work
[15:25] out but
but um
[15:28] chief rulo
had looked around the city where we
[15:31] could put a place
uh councilman ashworth had mentioned
[15:35] that by public works before
and while we don't do a land out that
[15:40] way
utilities become an issue and even
[15:43] access i mean now you're talking okay do
you have the police out there on an
[15:47] unpaved road and that kind of stuff and
to be more maintenance on that road the
[15:51] cost to pay the license anyway chief
rule identified a place that the city
[15:55] owns the property
one and a half acres
[15:58] that sits between
the the state road uh
[16:03] tdot
fenced in area just below
[16:06] the gold king mountain and the gold king
mountain there's sort of a a slightly
[16:11] greater place over there that's one and
a half acres
[16:15] just to see
what some options were we invited a
[16:18] group
that's associated with the university of
[16:22] colorado in denver
it's the colorado center center for
[16:25] community development it's a program
called the uta university technical
[16:30] assistance and that's what i i gave
before you tonight
[16:34] and what they do is this this
this group from
[16:39] the cccd
worked with students
[16:43] design students architect students from
university of colorado and they worked
[16:47] with the department of local affairs to
provide designs
[16:52] which is about 10 cents on the dollar
what you would pay
[16:56] another applicant now they don't do
final construction drawings what they do
[17:00] is they do the conceptual drawings and
layout and give you an estimated cost of
[17:05] what it would build and then what it
would take they also help facilitate
[17:09] public meetings to make sure that the
public understands what's going on
[17:13] and to try to
you know build support for the project
[17:19] and well first of all see if the
community wants it well i think
[17:23] i think
i don't know whether community wants it
[17:26] but i think that you really need this
okay based on where we are anybody that
[17:30] has
been in the police station voluntarily
[17:33] and walk through there
know that it's kind of a cramped area if
[17:37] you've gone in there involuntarily
everybody's looks cramped
[17:41] but anyway
if you look at this
[17:43] to do the scope of work which is
basically do what i just said to to hold
[17:48] a couple public meetings
larger meetings and then even talk with
[17:52] the people that would be more local that
would be more impacted by that
[17:56] plus provide a design plus cost
of it an estimated cost of that which
[18:01] that packet then becomes part of grant
grant applications that you can submit
[18:06] to the state and others for the building
of this
[18:09] to do that
they they partner with department of
[18:12] local affairs on that so the cost to do
all that was a total of fifty five
[18:16] hundred dollars of which crippled creek
would have to put up two thousand seven
[18:20] hundred fifty of that and dollar would
put up the other fifty percent so that
[18:24] that is really
economical to do
[18:28] but
what we haven't done
[18:31] is we've talked about it with the
council casually this is the first time
[18:35] since you've heard about this particular
site what we haven't done is we haven't
[18:39] had a public workshop to get public
input and really to sit down and look at
[18:44] other places i mean i'm just looking at
it on google earth and other things at
[18:48] the city what would be a good location
for something like this in the city
[18:52] i don't know all the property the city
owns in town but i personally think
[18:57] that we should have at least one public
meeting we'll announce it and say here's
[19:03] what we're thinking about doing
what are some pros and cons of various
[19:06] sites or is there only one site in town
that we want to consider which is this
[19:09] particular site but i don't want anybody
to think that this site's being shut
[19:13] down the throat i did contact the
wildwood since they're the closest to
[19:17] any of that
and so what do you think about a police
[19:20] station being right up the street and
and
[19:22] general manager of the wildwood had
absolutely no concern about it at all
[19:26] and so
uh he's all full
[19:30] uh there are several things to consider
then
[19:33] uh in in addition to just the the
police station there is you put a police
[19:38] station there there's there's talk of a
possible another hotel there you've got
[19:42] the convenience store now we've got to
start looking at logistics for traffic
[19:45] and so there's other things we might
want to consider
[19:48] there that i've spoken to steve and
steve is all in favor of it
[19:52] and one thing i was talking about is a
possible roundabout there and there's
[19:56] pros and cons to those
and but um but all the big all the big
[20:00] tour cities have them guys
[20:04] anyway so i just i gave you that packet
to look at they also
[20:08] they also provided one of these uh for
us
[20:12] for possible
downtown parks and stuff as well so
[20:17] so anyway if you just want to review
that i would suggest we have if you're
[20:21] in favor of it
uh a public workshop before our next
[20:24] city council meeting on the second
and then and then we can get this
[20:28] this moving assuming we come up with a
decision if it takes a second public
[20:32] workshop or the public workshop so be it
whatever it takes
[20:36] but once once in mou once we agree to
this
[20:41] and an mru is signed between
the uh this university of colorado and
[20:46] that program in the city he feels it'll
take six to eight months to go through
[20:50] the process so what we would be looking
at
[20:53] would be going through this process this
year spending two thousand assuming
[20:58] the cost looks good
and then we look at possible grant
[21:02] options and funding options
then you go in 2017 with design
[21:07] and then early 2018 you build it and
hopefully build it i mean so that would
[21:12] probably be the absolute best schedule
you could look at
[21:15] but we wrote i really can't give you a
recommendation on going forward until we
[21:19] know about what it would cost
but
[21:21] looking at the square footage of what we
would
[21:24] need which is about 7 500 square feet
we'll look and see if going up to 9 000
[21:30] square foot does it would be one floor
um
[21:33] look at the cosmic 7 500 square feet
you're looking at about a 2 million
[21:37] dollar 2.5 million dollar project
there are some funds available out there
[21:42] mike's been putting some funds
back from e911
[21:48] and so we'll have a couple hundred
thousand bucks in that there's some
[21:51] other funds possible to upgrade dispatch
which will be 230
[21:56] 2500
000
[21:59] so with the land we would get it
appraised that would be a value of
[22:04] putting into the project because that
that's what they look for when they're
[22:07] when they're submitting grants they rate
you on okay what what kind of match do
[22:11] you have so we would have the match of
the of the emergency services funds
[22:15] which is say say we're talking five or
six hundred thousand bucks
[22:20] say the the price of the land 1.5 acres
in that pretty active area which should
[22:24] have praised pretty good
and so to so say that's another couple
[22:29] hundred thousand bucks so maybe maybe
we're up maybe we're up to
[22:34] 700 thousand to a million dollars in
matching funds just what i told you
[22:39] tonight and if it costs another million
well you can often find
[22:44] 50 matching funds so it could be that
the city
[22:48] doesn't have to put up much more than
what we already have available
[22:54] okay
okay
[22:56] and that's all i have i'll schedule a
workshop next accounts meeting
[23:02] okay
and so what i'll do is i'll talk to
[23:06] uh jeff wood who put this together for
us
[23:09] is that right food yeah and ask him if
he
[23:13] wants to come and then we'll decide if
we take an hour 4 30 to 5 30 or maybe we
[23:17] all started at four just in case
but maybe an hour is enough i don't know
[23:21] what you all think
4 30 5 30
[23:26] 4 30.
it's 5 30. yeah
[23:30] do an hour and if we have to do a second
one we'll do the second one next okay
[23:34] great good that's all i had
you missed the city white king
[23:39] oh gosh i missed the city-wide cleanup
oh yeah number four iron four
[23:46] public works director steve cabello
today came in and said that they would
[23:51] like to schedule the spring citywide
cleanup
[23:54] on saturday sunday may 21st and 22nd
wonderful
[24:00] great program great program
[24:06] good good timing yes
[24:10] all right thanks ray okay thanks for
pulling me out sure
[24:14] very important
item number one second reading of
[24:18] ordinance number two zero one six zero
one a bill for an ordinance approving
[24:22] the rezoning of the property described
as lots 17-30 and lot 34r block 4
[24:28] highland view edition cook creek
colorado
[24:32] this is the second reading of this
ordinance
[24:35] just asking for approval
from the commission
[24:41] would like to
[24:44] change any public comment
[24:49] make a motion that we approve ordinance
number
[24:51] 2016-01 is written
seven
[24:57] nope mr lopez
[25:13] i did not take 20 minutes yes sir
councilman
[25:20] thanks guys for coming out
have a good night