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I'm going to have
this village.

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» I'm calling the plan commission of the
village across plains September 8th,

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2026 to order. Roll call, please.
>> Commissioner Johnson

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» here.
>> Commissioner Thus,

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Commissioner Cree.
>> Commissioner Hillbrand

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» here.
>> Commission or Trusty Rochious

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» here.
>> Trusty Calibator

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» here. President Langfeld
>> here. Please stand for pledge of

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allegiance.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.

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» All right, we're at public comment. This
is an opportunity for anyone to address

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the plan commission on any issue. Please
observe a time limit of 3 minutes while

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the plan commission encourages input
from residents and may not discuss or

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act on any issue that is not newly
noticed on the agenda.

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All right. Do we have anybody that would
like to speak

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here? Go to general business.
Approval of the minutes from the July 6,

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2026 plan commission meeting.
>> Make a motion to approve the July 6,

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2026 plan commission meeting. I'll
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» All right. I have a motion and a second.
Any discussion?

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All in favor say I.
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» I. All oppose same. So move. Uh, I think
I need a motion to move number two to

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the bottom of the agenda since we don't
have six people.

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» All right.
>> What's that?

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» Go ahead.
>> I have a motion and a second.

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Discussion.
>> I was just going to tell them why we're

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doing it, but
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the six votes.
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Okay.
>> All right.

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» Yeah. All in favor say I.
>> All oppose. Same. So move.

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» All right. Discussion regarding the rep
family development proposals

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highway KP and east of Hills way. I see
Dave's on on the internet. Do you want

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to go ahead and start?
>> Sure. [clears throat] Sure. I'm not sure

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if this is being presented up on the
screen or not, but I sent Carly sort of

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a package uh a little bit to kind of
cover off what we'd like to at least

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discuss tonight. Um I know we met uh
back in June, I believe, just to get

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some different guidance from the
village. Uh we've met with the township,

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so we're just trying to come back to to
get a little bit better of an

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understanding
um before we kind of go down a path. It

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is just to let you know it is looking
like we're we as a family of four

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myself, my brother Bob Raj who is right
there in Cross Plains and Jenny are

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looking to to sell these four parcels.
Um one of the parcels is a village

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parcel and the other three are township
parcels. Um so we wanted to discuss that

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this evening.

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So, I'm not sure what slide you're
looking at, but um I I can kind of

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I don't know. Can we share screen with
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» Uh either that or I could
>> Dave, it's up. You should be able to see

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it.
>> Yeah, I was gonna say it.

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» Oh, it is up.
>> I'm trying to see which too many screens

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up.
Um hold on a second. I apologize if I

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kill it. Uh
okay. So are you seeing the second

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slide?
>> Yeah.

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» Okay. So um again tonight really like I
said we're looking to just understand uh

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sort of our where we can uh take this
relative to uh the land itself. Um we're

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kind of going through um looking to
understand both the village and the

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township's um sort of jurisdictions on
it for for a potential future owner or

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or a person who buys it. Um like I said,
there's four parcels. Um we're not

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coming to try to do any resoning or
annexation or any of that today. We're

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really just trying to get a better
understanding of what we can communicate

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uh to a potential buyer of the land for
either themselves as one estate lot or

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possibly three to five estate homes on
that land. Um we've actually cleared a

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piece of the land sort of if you will
the easement that goes up to the uh

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piece that's part of Glacial Oaks uh
which is already kind of zoned for

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residential rural residential zoning.
and the other it would actually allow to

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get into the other three pieces um as
part of a part of the the plan to kind

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of uh showcase the land. Um like I said,
it's 35 total acres. There's four

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separate parcels. Um and I'm thinking if
you're looking, you'll see the numbers

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one through four. The the parcel one is
actually a village parcel, which right

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now is, you know, most of this land is
all um used. It has been used for deer

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hunting and such. Um we've gone up
there. We played paintball up there as

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kids and done a lot of different things
up there. Used to have an apple orchard

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up there. Um but again, if you look,
we're trying to basically on that uh

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parcel 4, there's a um easement that was
built into the land as part of um that

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that parcel to allow access into um
those then other three parcels that were

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required. quite a few years ago.
Okay. Um if I move forward, so like I

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said that um that glacial Oaks estate
that's the plot um number four has a 66

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foot strip along the part the parcel
running from Gills Way north to the

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parcels one, two, and three. And you
know it's expressed in the actual uh

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title and um appraisal of that lot to be
there for reserve for public future road

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um dedication. And as we are looking at
it, we would look at that as being like

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one straight shot up into the land with
a turnaround uh to be able to allow for

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different uh public vehicles if
necessary to get in there uh as well as

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turn around up in that area to serve, if
you will, those four different uh lots,

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if you will. Um we did look and check in
on the percent the grade percent the

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road um in terms of the grade it does um
it does fall within that maximum grade

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it's actually less than that and then
we've also looked into um the electrical

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and and access easements if you will for
for the power lines as well as um other

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access up there as well as a water tower
that's up there which actually has a

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different road that actually accesses
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and feel free to stop me with any
questions as we as we go through this.

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So, like I said, we're we're trying to
to best use the land uh in the sense of

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not high density at all. Really, we
would ideally love to find one one buyer

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that would want all that the whole the
whole 35 acres build on build on it and

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then be able to have that other land,
you know, accessible for that use by

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that one buyer. However, we are trying
to get just in a general understanding

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um as we talked to both the village and
the township of the ability to

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potentially look at it as sort of three
to five uh state lots. Um as we cleared

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out, we actually cleared out different
pastures. And I think there's a a

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picture that I'll show later showing um
if you will some some pretty beautiful

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um land plots where if you had an you
know an acreage house sits on five six

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seven acres uh it would be definitely a
very nice looking building. Um it's one

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road going in and out so it's not any
sort of high volume road. Um the rural

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services are are kind of right now what
it would be in terms of wells and

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septic. I know we had kind of talked
about it in a earlier meeting with Carly

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to talk about um could it ever tap into
village um village um uh infrastructure

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and right now that's not what the ask
is. It's really more about just the

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understanding of that use of that land.
Um those village trails that are up

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there um are still there in terms of the
biking trail as well as the walk walk

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trails on on the parcel one. Um it does
fit right into the glacial oaks. Uh the

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intent would be it'd be just really sort
of an extension of that current glacial

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oaks um estate homes that were
originally set up I don't know years 25

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plus years ago when my dad um developed
those different various um estate homes.

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And then again this is all looking at
being um funded by whoever that owner

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would be. Um, and there's really no ask
here at all from a village funding or

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even township funding.

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You know, some of the different concerns
that were raised as we as we've talked a

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number of times were, you know, the
slopes and the and the um the mapping,

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you know, they would how how would that
be mapped out? We basically have

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provided a lot of those different um
parcel maps to understand exactly where

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where the land is and such. Um, again,
it would be the density of of homes

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would not be it's not looking to build
build a subdivision up there with we

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have 10 20 homes. It's really looking at
just like three to five estate homes in

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terms of just a plan. Doesn't mean that
whoever the owner would be. Um we're

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just trying to understand so that when
when we actually talk to cell that the

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person would understand that hey Dave
we've talked to the village we've talked

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to the township this is sort of an idea
uh of consideration but it's not

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necessarily any green light to do
anything. We would have to we would

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basically emphasize they would have to
come back to get detailed plans if and

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when they were to pursue anything. Um,
like I said, the MG& easements and power

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lines, that's that's all check the box,
if you will, in terms of us

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understanding what those are, and they
continue to stay in there. We talked

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about the grade of the road. Um
um we also understand that that um the

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village did I think uh when we actually
talked about potentially annexing those

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three other lots um I think the village
when we talked at the time talked about

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some possibilities of of um water
pressures and other things from an

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infrastructure. So again, we we we
basically kind of backed away from any

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of that to get, you know, any sort of
approvals or anything, but more of a

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just an understanding of what would
potentially happen there. Um, we did,

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you know, the one big thing is that we
made sure to find in the documents,

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[clears throat] and that document is
attached in appendix the 66- ft uh road

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reservation that's plotted in for lot
six,

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which shows up as a number four parcel.
And again, that intention was done years

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ago when my dad set that land up to be
able to access

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um Hilliburn's land uh down the road if
there was a if Marvin and my dad had

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reached an agreement back then that if
Hilliburn ever wanted to do something on

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that top land that there would be have
that easement access which would would u

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allow persons to get to that that top
those top three parcels.

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Um, and then we did have like a I guess
a solar group that kind of came up there

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and staked out or said that this land
could potentially be used for solar. Um,

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again, if the owner decided the next
owners decided to do that, that would be

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something that, you know, we would let
let that be um discussed at a different

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point. But it again fits into that whole
lightest use of the land so there's not

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any sort of disturbance or high density
type activity going on up there.

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So really um tonight is really just the
ask of of just keeping you guys aware of

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what we as a family are trying to do and
and so we can actually pass it along to

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a future buyer. Um and we're
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say before that the land changes we
would just like to understand uh your

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thoughts on on on sort of the direction
we're going. Obviously um we're not

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asking for any okays or per um you know
permission to do this or gaining access

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into the infrastructure of the village
or any any specifics but more a sharing

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of the information to the village with
the awareness of what um what some of

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the intents are for the for the for the
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and then like I said you know all
there's a different um appendix items

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that show the different easement um
easement strip that's in there. Uh we

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talked about that grades and such. It's
actually within the um appraisal within

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there. Um and again part of the
attachment and really like what we did

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we did actually hire someone to come up
and and do some clearing up top. Um, and

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you can kind of see some of the openings
up top that would would um, you know,

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basically be ideal for some estate type
lots that could potentially be put up

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Um, and then right now from those
parcels perspective, there's one of

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those lots which is rural residential.
So, that one actually has the, you know,

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sort of the the already um zoned uh,
abilities to develop as part of that

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glacial oaks um, group. uh and it's
really the other three um three parcels

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but it wouldn't mean that every three
part every one of those parcels would be

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developed. I mean there's intentions or
there's some thought about saying parcel

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one which is actually a village parcel
or or village um included in the village

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that could potentially be you know a
park or something that you know whoever

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would potentially want to do something
up there and if it is three to five

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estate homes um that piece of land could
potentially be used for for other

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purposes that would be sort of a give
back into crossplains. So

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anyway, that's kind of what I wanted to
get um in front of this the village

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board and I appreciate you guys in the
time to put us on the agenda and I just

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wanted to give make you aware of some of
the intents um of what we're what we're

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looking to to do. And then just uh it's
really more of an awareness from you

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guys so that if we do have a future
buyer or realer that starts asking as

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well, we would be able to to turn to
that that potential buyer and say yes,

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we've talked to the village, we've
talked to the township uh about some of

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the intents and again no approvals of
such but more the intents and the

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consideration possible.

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» All right. Thank you. Anybody have any
questions or thoughts? I have Judy.

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Phil, go ahead.
>> Is there a house up there already?

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» There is uh not on not on any of these
four parcels. There's a house that was

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built um if I go to there's a house that
is I don't know if you see my my cursor.

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So, there's houses that go all the way
around on Gills Way that round. It's

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basically a big round and there's I
think there's not eight or nine houses

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that are up there that are sort of
estate lots. There was a house built in

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this parcel just
uh south of the number four there uh in

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this area. That was my actually a cousin
of mine of of ours that sold that uh

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parcel to uh someone and they actually
built a house up here in the kind of the

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I'll say the norththeast corner of that
lot. Um, and again this easement that

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goes up the way, he's got his kind of
access road that kind of goes up there

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along that way too. But in terms of if a
road was put in, it would basically, you

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know, go in under the proper code and
zoning, if you will, to be, you know, x

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number of feet away from the the
property line and also to the actual

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property line on both sides. But there
was a 66 foot um easement uh that was

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sort of sanctioned off or at least put
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» Okay. Thank you.
>> So, you know, planning planning ahead of

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time by my dad, which I you know, we we
appreciate as siblings. Now,

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» so I I apologize. I have a hard time
kind of hearing you from from the from

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the laptop speaker, but the water
reserve is up there, right?

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And so what are we what are we doing
with the access road and how is that how

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is the access road and water reserve
entering into the service?

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» No no the way we go to the reserve does
not go on on this property at all.

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» Okay.
>> Yeah. There's this land to get to that

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water tower. There's a there's a road
right here which is a little it's very

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that's a steeper road. It's really not
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» public vehicles or such and has not been
developed. It's really more of just a

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gravel path up.
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» Right.
>> And that would, you know, that would

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probably if we if we were to go if
someone were to go forward um you know

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that road, this road coming up would
kind of basically feed into a more I

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guess a more uh
whatever a different type of road that

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would be serving all these houses with
still easement and access rights to the

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tower obviously.
>> Okay. So why why are you opposed to

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steady water and sewer?
>> I think what we when we talk last um

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because first of all these are village
this number one is the one that's a

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village lot. These other two three and
four are all part of the township. And

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when we did talk last, we talked about
would there be any interest by the

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village to annex those lots in um and
then obviously to build if that was the

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case then if if a builder or the owner
of the lot wanted to gain access to

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public to to village infrastructure um
that would have to be something they

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would have to pursue. Um, so that if if
there's an interest in that or if

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there's um I think part of it was
because of the infrastructure because of

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some of the the I I want to say expense
of doing that or even if it could

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support it that high up up on the top of
that hill which you know again the water

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tower is right there. It's not like you
got I don't think I I'm not a engineer

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so I don't know. I'm a different I'm a
mechanical engineer but not a civil. So

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I don't know if there would come off
that water tower or any of the other um

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abilities to provide water village water
if you will into those lots if those

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lots were actually annexed in.
>> Okay. And then that road the south part

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of Gills Way is the town of Cross
Plains, right?

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» Oh that's already that's already an
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» Yeah. This this road is all these this
road is a big circle. Um and it probably

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the road that would be built here would
be probably be similar in nature where

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it's a it's an asphalt road with with
the um I forget covert sides that you

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know according to code of whatever the
the township would have at that time or

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whatever the township would require of
anybody who who would purchase it from

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us and want to do anything with any of
this.

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» Right. So, so the only access to that
part of the road is through Gil's way

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and so
>> uh yes, you'd have to come up up in this

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valley which again this is village in
here and then once you hit I think this

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where T-bones or TE's or kind of
branches off wishbones off that I think

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becomes where township kicks in or
actually township kicks in I think even

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a little further up like right about
here where the houses end and that's all

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township. It's just a big circle drive
of township that goes around and the

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township comes in and it plows when
necessary and such. And then the the

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intent would be this would be an
extension of a township road that would

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just go straight up
with again a turnaround up top adequate

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enough to provide turnaround for a fire
truck, ambulance, you know, anything

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that would it would be required, right?
And it would cut into, you know, those,

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you know, those top lots if you will.
But again, those parcels are, like I

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said, are pretty big. I mean, it's 35
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» So, so I'm looking at and Google maps
and what I'm think what I'm looking at

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between your photo and what I see on the
map is that all that green space to the

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east of Gills Way
and south of the water tower, that's the

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area that you're talking
>> right between our bike trails,

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» right?
>> Yes. Yeah, the bike trails the bike the

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bike trails if I if I'm thinking would
go up along kind of the perimeter of

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those lots and you can I think you take
the bike trail all the way to this this

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um the water tower access if if I'm got
my directions right because this east

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side here is that is um that's just
another development in this valley.

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Um, I think this is um I want to call it
Gills. Uh, I forget the name of it, but

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it's like that whole Gillies land of it
used to be a cornfield.

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» From the south of this property is all
open. I think that's enchanted valley,

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right?
>> Yeah. On this side over here,

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stage coach.
>> Yeah.

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» Right. And then if you go further down,
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» I think it's Shep's development. That's
further west. I think that's the

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direction. Yes. Would you have access
then from stage coaching to this or it

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all come from Gil's way?
>> Uh it's only it's only from uh Gil's

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way. So I want to and forgive me I
haven't been up like Roger can't make it

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because it's his wife's birthday so
they're out for dinner. I said I'd take

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the take the lead. I believe is it Roden
Schmidt maybe that used to own this lot

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this land up to the right to the um I
want to say the souththeast.

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And there are there are some estate
homes in there and stage coach I believe

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used to run
that does run into that but we're not

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the intention is not to connect stage
coach into that.

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» Yeah that's called celestial server.
>> Yeah.

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» Is it okay? Okay. Yeah.

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» Yeah. Yeah, I mean the whole idea is to
really keep it just very private, very

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again limited in terms of the type of
homes that a home or homes that would go

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up there. And it really just it just uh
allows for that land to be used in a in

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sort of what you know at the end of the
day if all of us kids wanted to build

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you know up there it would be beautiful
you know beautiful homes. you know,

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unfortunately all my kids are, you know,
out of the house now. So, I'm I'm in the

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mode of downsizing, not not uh upsizing.
>> I guess from my perspective, this is Jay

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speaking. Um I I can live with the four
houses, but if you, you know, if it gets

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increased, and this is because I'm sure
developers want to put more up. If it

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gets into the 20, 30, 40, then that'll
be problematic because all that traffic

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then comes down that one road. I think
four houses isn't going to add uh too

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much to it. But again, it does uh have
to use, you know, village roads to get

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there. Um the other thing is I know
water, you're too high for water. sewer

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would could be a possibility, but I'm
just thinking that it would probably be

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cost prohibitive for four lots to put
all that infrastructure in.

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» Yeah. Yeah.
>> But the other

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» But I but that would be one of the
things if it if the say someone bought

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it and they were going to develop four
or five estate homes and they said,

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"Well, that's part of the development."
um then they would have you know the

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point was they would come back to the
village to have that discussion. We're

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just we just wanted to make sure you're
aware of of what we are as what we're

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doing as a family to look at putting
this on the market as a as a 35 acres

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you know prefer a single owner and you
know but open to discuss if to with

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someone else but with that that caveat
that this is not high density. is if

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anything, you know, the four to five
estate lots,

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» right? And that's what we're meeting to
give honest feedback. So, that would be

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» Yes, we probably fight that uh quite a
bit. Um

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» and then the other last thing is the one
lot that's in the village. Um that would

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take a little bit more work because we
don't allow uh septics and wells and

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it's really
strict for what we have to do and what

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people have to do now if they have a
well and septic.

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» Yeah.
>> Quite a bit of burden on them since we

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changed our ordinance because of our
waste uh water treatment uh evaluation.

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Can I go back on on the beginning of
your comment when you said that you'd

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fight? Now again, that's if it they came
in with a high density plan, but but if

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they came with a four to five homes,
would that still be come up against a

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lot of resistance?
>> I'm just speaking for myself. I probably

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would not have major concern since
there's already a few house houses right

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next to it the same way. I just don't
want to flood a neighborhood

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» with a lot of traffic. Yep. Totally
understand.

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» That's already a one, you know, road
that goes from those developments down.

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So, uh, like I said, I could live with a
few more homes, but not a whole large

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subdivision.
>> Yep. It would, you know, it's really

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trying to be a little bit more of an
extension of that Glacial Oaks Estates

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homes that are up there with that same
intention where they're sitting on, you

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know, four anywhere from four to seven,
even nine acres. If you ever drive up

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through that circle, it' be th those
type of homes.

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» But it wouldn't be that it wouldn't be
that dense either. I mean, it would

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actually be less dense than that because
I think that that whole circle

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encompasses about 88 Well, actually
along that [clears throat] and along

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with the number four and the one that
was sold that all was about 80 acres of

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land. We we used to kids call that the
80 because we go up there and you know

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get the cattle down.
Do you know if you have or maybe some of

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the village is there an easement
approval already for us to get to the

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water tower coming from Pat's place up
to

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» I think that I think you already have an
I I don't know exactly but I know we

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were looking more on this easement here
um to make sure

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» Dave they can't see your Dave they can't
see your cursor but that where you see

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the water if you go back to the original
um yeah you see up top you see a little

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white dot above number two just
northeast of number If you're looking at

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the picture, that's the water tower. So
there is a road that comes up to that

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water tower we were talking. That's the
easement they have already. But the

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grade is steeper.
So I guess the so I guess the asked

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tonight from this group is really you
know what would be the gotchas because

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we either list it again as one property
owner and owns all the properties or we

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say okay uh if we if there is a
developer that's interested and that

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wants to look at you know four houses
five houses if it gets any bigger than

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five house houses we just have to be
able to tell them hey you're going to

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have major push back from from the both
village and town, right? So, that that

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was our ask and I just share you how we
were going to position this to a realer

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that has both access to residential
people um that would build single

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properties as well as a developer that
would be looking to develop, you know,

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four or five homes. So that's kind of it
in a nutshell. Knowing that we have an

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easement that could come in there as a
major road with a turnaround for safety

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reasons and public vehicles.
>> People about dropping there.

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» Does that make sense?
>> You say the people on lot two and lot

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three then would need some sort of a
document that shows there's an easement

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on their property if they bought it and
was lost indicating the usage.

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» That that is correct. That road is an
easement and for if a person was to buy

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on lot two
know that would be part of the

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development that road to get up there
whether they create a dirt road that

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gets up there like the person who bought
on a property just south of just to the

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bottom of number four. He just built a
dirt road up there. But for a for

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somebody to buy the property and wanted
to build two on two and three and one

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and four, then that would be part of the
development plan. I imagine that the

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that the developer would look at.
>> And just to add to that, it would right

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now that easement the easement is is
only from Gillsway Road up to where four

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» kind of is adjacent to parcels one and
three. So that's where the easement goes

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today. Again, if we were to put this on
the market and sell, we would tell the

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realer that this that if any of those
other lots were being purchased that

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that that there would be, you know, sort
of a common easement that everybody

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would have to agree to, unless it was
just one per one buyer. And that one

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buyer might want to if they ever sub
subdivided if he ever sold off that back

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back 29 he might say okay I'll sell the
back 99 and you can have an easement

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that goes back but right now that the
piece that goes from the I'll call the

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north northwest corn or northeast corner
of number four and up to the circle

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that's not that's right now not an
easement that's just that is our all our

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land so there's really no easement
necessary.

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However, that easement would be
something that you talk to the to the

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buyer about that, hey, these other lots
um you probably there'd have to be put

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put there' probably be an easement that
you would have to identify when you're

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looking to to do whatever you're going
to do with it in that area. But easement

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to the water tower, that's already a
given. That's already an approved um

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easement in that uh that uh Hillbrand
Gilly Hillbrand put in to allow for us

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to for for the town or the village to
get to that water tower through that. I

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think it's called Tilda's Lane that kind
of goes up and then goes up and up there

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and there's like I think a chain link
fence that allows like a service truck

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to go up there to go look at the water
tower.

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I'm just thinking that could be a done
right. It could be our second entrance,

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maybe an emergency exit or entrance to
this parcel if needed be for a second in

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and out.
>> Uh it could be, [clears throat] but I

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again I wouldn't um that could be that
could be part of a discussion if you

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will, but right now that road is sort of
I believe it's I think it's lightly

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play. It might be just gravel. It might
be a gravel

405
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:45,600
painters got up there.
>> There's an emergency exit type

406
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,120
designated as emergency exit for a
second.

407
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,840
» Yeah,
>> but that's a long way

408
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,559
» to get open.
>> Yeah.

409
00:32:58,159 --> 00:33:08,559
» All right, Seth. Um,
I'd rather if this was going to occur,

410
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:13,600
I'd rather see this village town, but
some recognition of the unique

411
00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:18,559
characteristics in this property. I
think from the village perspective, um,

412
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:23,440
this could help with our parks open
space plan. We've got, uh, loses loop

413
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:29,919
trail and connections up there. This
could help finish off across

414
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:34,399
» utilize the path place extension I guess
I'll call that that roadway that driver

415
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:39,600
hits the water tower if we're already
having an ement there potentially

416
00:33:36,399 --> 00:33:44,320
combining ement across person one uh to
connect to uh trails to the east. Um so

417
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:51,360
I think from the village perspective
this has some appeal. Um, having said

418
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:57,039
that, uh, if it's in the village, I
don't think a 2500 foot long village

419
00:33:53,760 --> 00:34:02,320
street is going to serve, uh, much good.
Um, I wonder if the village would

420
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:05,919
consider a share driveway arrangement.
Um,

421
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:12,240
that village doesn't maintain, doesn't
plow. Um I know if we don't have any

422
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:18,800
chair drivers to that extent I believe
but I think

423
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:23,639
» the top of Rocky Bluff is a private road
>> be maybe similar to that where it's a

424
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,639
private

425
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:33,440
it's about 25 to go some hills to the
bottom of two right now. So we're

426
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:38,800
talking a half mile.
>> Yeah. Um and so I don't know if consider

427
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:45,919
again this is for three, four, five
homes obviously not one but if it's for

428
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:52,159
a few homes uh a share driveway
would be a benefit to the the buyer

429
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:58,320
developer whoever also be less of a
burden on the village. Now having said

430
00:34:54,079 --> 00:35:02,320
that I think um I would like to see
these connected to the Oak Stewart uh

431
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,599
water is
well I'll understand the challenges of

432
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:09,359
that even though the reservoir there I I
believe the elevation of these lots is

433
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:13,920
at least a few dozen feet higher than
the reservoir elevation. Um so it's not

434
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:20,240
that the reservoir would be able to
serve those properties now or something

435
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:27,920
but I think a sewer connection is
definitely more feasible. Um and then um

436
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:32,720
yeah, he already mentioned that part
one's already in the village. It's owned

437
00:35:29,839 --> 00:35:37,520
R35, but it's not in our service area
right now. Yeah. So all of these if

438
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:43,200
we're going to have any certain
services, we have to include all the

439
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:50,240
area that would be
that. But again, I I I see some some

440
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:55,599
benefits in the village and I understand
the town just recognize that there's

441
00:35:52,800 --> 00:36:01,440
some
things that we do.

442
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:06,400
» Yeah. And I I think from a a person an
owner of of the whole parcel or all

443
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:12,880
parcels, you know, looking at that that
uh parcel one and carving off a couple

444
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:15,839
acres. Right now it's a 10 acre piece.
There's probably some pieces of that

445
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:21,280
acorage you just say, "Listen, let's put
walking paths in there. Let's put a

446
00:36:17,839 --> 00:36:24,880
off-road bike path." Um, and you know, I
don't think a park would be something,

447
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:30,160
but maybe there's picnic tables and such
for the bikers and the walkers. But I

448
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:36,720
mean there's a lot of possibility since
that is a village parcel and chances of

449
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:40,320
building on that 10 acres is probably
limited probably just because of the

450
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:45,920
fact it's village unless it's thrown
back to the township uh with some of

451
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:51,599
those asked if you will for um if
there's any development on that one

452
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:55,599
» you know.
>> Yep. So

453
00:36:53,280 --> 00:37:04,000
» anyway, I again go ahead.
>> Um, so as much as I have to disagree

454
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:11,680
with Steph a little bit, as much as I
would love the tax revenue out of this,

455
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:18,640
um, I think it would better serve
the owners to stay in the town. I don't

456
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:23,200
think I think if coming into the village
and having to follow our ordinances is

457
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:29,440
going to complicate
what what they're trying to do. I my

458
00:37:27,359 --> 00:37:33,440
opinion and you guys could think
completely different, but I think

459
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:39,440
they're better served staying in the in
the town than coming into the village.

460
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:44,720
» Okay. I think what we I think it
everybody's kind of I think we can go

461
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:49,760
forever tonight on this. I think uh you
have what you need, Dave, to kind of

462
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:57,599
wear the flavor and it'll be obviously
more detailed from your family and how

463
00:37:53,119 --> 00:38:02,000
you marketed and what a developer may
want to do. Um

464
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,760
» since I'm taking it, you're not
developing this. You're gonna to sell

465
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:13,119
it. So, I think what we should do is
probably put a hold on this right now

466
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:19,520
until someone actually um is thinking
about it and and have a actual concept

467
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:22,880
plan that details more than what we have
right now because I think we could go on

468
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:28,079
all night long.
>> Yeah. Can I ask one question on that?

469
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:31,680
Would if that if if the parcel one is in
the village would ever would that ever

470
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:37,200
be considered thrown back into a
township if the township takes I'll call

471
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:42,720
accountability or ownership for you know
all that delayed

472
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:48,640
» we can give up property just like we can
annex property we can certainly give it

473
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:55,520
up that is an option that is out there I
don't know what the process is but uh

474
00:38:51,839 --> 00:39:00,480
it's certainly yes it can be done Okay.
So, so really again I appreciate your

475
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:05,680
guys' time, your the whole team's time
tonight. Um really just to hear us out

476
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:09,599
and hear some of the thoughts and then
obviously

477
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:15,440
the whoever the next owner or owners
would be, it'd be probably then them

478
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:21,599
coming with with a more engineering plan
and ideas and but it was really where we

479
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:24,400
as a family can say to the to the realer
and such and say, "Hey, we've met with

480
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:29,119
the village. We've met with the
township. There's nothing jumping off

481
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:33,440
the page saying no. Other than high
density, obviously no. But if it's being

482
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:37,359
looked at for four to five estate lot
types, you just need to put a plan

483
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,800
together that you would be able to have
to go back to the village and back to

484
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:45,520
the township to talk and share so that
there'd be a thumbs up if that would be

485
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:50,560
a plan that would be acceptable.
>> That that sounds like a good plan.

486
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:53,839
» Okay, great.
>> Thank you.

487
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:59,440
» Thank you guys. let it if there's any
questions, Carly, let us know. Um, but I

488
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:02,320
appreciate the time tonight and and just
having you listen to some of the

489
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,320
thoughts we have.
>> All right, sounds good.

490
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,160
» Thank you everyone.
>> Okay, thanks all.

491
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:10,240
» Yeah,
>> I did email Kev Enthusiast and he had

492
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:14,880
said that he's not going to be able to
make it. [clears throat]

493
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:21,480
» So, we will not be able to take your
item up for action since we don't have

494
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,480
enough people to vote.

495
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,240
We'll have to figure out what we're
going to do.

496
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,760
Apologize.

497
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,920
» I was going to say this had to be
noticed. It doesn't be noticed or

498
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:43,200
anything.
>> Well, I don't think this has to be Well,

499
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:47,359
obviously the meeting does.
>> Yeah,

500
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:50,560
» we have to pull a meeting together. Uh
>> you know if we could do it like before

501
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,720
board on Monday like if you could
>> So we're talking about Wednesday,

502
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,319
Thursday or Friday.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

503
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,960
» I meant Monday night like
>> can we do a plane commission meeting

504
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:04,800
like 15 minutes before?
>> Yeah. We could do that's another option

505
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:12,480
we could try that
>> do Monday before three of us here

506
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:16,640
» this Monday. Well,
>> we pull and if we have to do it on

507
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:20,000
Thursday, do it on Thursday. Why Why do
we lock ourselves into just Monday?

508
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:25,040
» Well, because Monday, three of us
already are present at another meeting.

509
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,240
So, you've got you only need three more
people,

510
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,720
» right? I get that
>> versus Thursday where we could be.

511
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:35,520
» But if we pulled and say we have three
people now, we're still short. Well, I

512
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,480
understand we're short, but
>> yeah, we can try to get

513
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:42,000
» I just want to lock it down to Monday
and then I'll send somebody a short one

514
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,359
again where we could have met on
Thursday and had a full

515
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:51,000
» How much notice do we need to move?
>> 24 hours.

516
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,000
» You can get away with 12.

517
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,200
» You know what I'm saying? If we lo

518
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:08,400
» Is Kevin available Thursday? I am I
agree with you. Uh but is

519
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:13,920
» I guess that's what
>> Well, the problem is I'm not going to be

520
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:16,560
here Thursday night.
>> Wednesday.

521
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,359
» Well, Thursday you can still you just
need six.

522
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,960
» I'm just telling you Thursday I'm
already tied up and need

523
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:26,359
» Friday or
Yeah. Whatever.

524
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:33,040
» Anytime.
If we do it like at five o'clock or

525
00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:38,440
Thursday, I'm fine.
But

526
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:38,440
committed on something.

527
00:42:40,319 --> 00:42:46,160
» I think we got to find it. I can make
it. Whatever.

528
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:51,520
» I can make it.
>> All right. Well, let's uh tomorrow send

529
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:58,160
things out because if we're going to do
it on Thursday, we got to notice it.

530
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:02,480
» Yeah.
Tomorrow.

531
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:06,119
Yeah, please let us know.
>> Yeah, we will.

532
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:19,200
» All right. Uh, discussion, possible
action regarding updates to the street

533
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:24,560
light policy. Come on up, Michael.
>> The microphones aren't on.

534
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:28,319
» No, I tried testing them. I
>> don't know. Well, I mean, when I was on

535
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:34,760
the Zoom,
>> I was talking into the mics and it

536
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,760
wouldn't it wasn't picking them up.

537
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,280
» Yeah, but
>> it's not plugged in.

538
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:42,000
» The main thing I don't think to bring
people out there that

539
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:48,560
» the mics are irrelevant today.
>> Okay, sounds weird. Um,

540
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:54,319
so felt it was time to do an update to
the street light policy because then

541
00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:59,200
five years
on the market now there are 2200K

542
00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:04,400
LED street lights that are available
whereas 5 years ago not really

543
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:11,680
available. They were sort of coming in.
Um, so a 2200 shade light will bring the

544
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:15,839
light down to more of an amber. slightly
above the highpressure sodium ones that

545
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:20,960
exist. They don't quite get quite that
low. I was curious about that myself.

546
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:25,280
Some have been installed
out past Richland Center. Last week I

547
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:29,520
drove out there and it's these few towns
up in the Kickfoo Valley. They were

548
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,800
trying to get a dark sky preserve up
there and they've been installing them.

549
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:37,599
And I went up there and looked at them
and I was like, "Oh, these aren't under

550
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:40,079
like more amber than high pressure
sodium daggers. They're slightly above

551
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:46,160
that." I thought they were going to be
much lower in terms of the redness that

552
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:52,000
they go down. Um, there's some documents
in the packet if people see any of them.

553
00:44:49,839 --> 00:44:55,119
I'll just talk real quick about one.
They got angled somehow. For some

554
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,400
reason, they were all legible when I
gave them darling. Somehow they all

555
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:04,079
gotated.
>> It just tell me what page, Michael,

556
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:08,520
» it would be
page 31. The next page

557
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:18,240
So basically this is an example of where
an individual did a bunch of different

558
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:24,000
KS of lighting. We show you up in the
corner you have 27K 22 18 and then high

559
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:28,319
pressure sodium is like what exists. We
basically did it to demonstrate the the

560
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:34,400
CRI indexing which is the color
rendering index which is how well colors

561
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:37,520
are perceived in different lights and as
a high pressure sodium doesn't have a

562
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:41,920
very large bandwidth of light that it
gives out the colors become muted. You

563
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:48,240
can see with even the 1800 K you can
still make out red, green, blue on the

564
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:53,680
22, we still have a and and all it seems
like all these LEDs that are coming out

565
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:57,680
they all are 70 CR or higher which means
you still get a good color rendering out

566
00:45:55,359 --> 00:46:02,800
of it even as you bring the the
temperature down.

567
00:45:59,359 --> 00:46:06,880
» I don't see a difference. I I just
I just want to give you some it's way

568
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:11,760
above our heads on all this stuff.
They're from the 27 going to the 22. I

569
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:13,440
don't see a difference in those color
codes at all.

570
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:15,760
» So, where are we at? What do we
currently have? And what do you what do

571
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:24,079
you want?
>> Right now, MG is installing 2700 in the

572
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:28,800
village, but 22s have became available
>> in most street lights now. So, it's a

573
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:33,119
the policy is a movement down to them.
right now. Middleton and Middleton

574
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:37,440
adopted a new light ordinance I want to
say back in February or March and they

575
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:42,160
mandated all their street lights at
2400K or low is what their ordinance

576
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:47,040
says.
Um so but I don't ever see any 2400ks.

577
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:53,920
That's what this 2200K is. I don't ever
see any made in 23 or whatever.

578
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:56,880
» So they're looking to move to 2200 KS.
Um they bought a lot of 20 cents they're

579
00:46:56,079 --> 00:47:01,200
putting up but next year they're going
to be doing a lot of 2200ks like the

580
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:06,160
ones that Matt did in the CIP for those
posttop ones. Middleton is looking to

581
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:11,119
replace like over 200 posttop ones next
year with 2200 K ones and I'm kind of

582
00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:16,400
hoping to work with them and that so
when they do ours it's kind of maybe we

583
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,359
can use Middleton stock to stock them
and kind of work together. whole entire

584
00:47:17,839 --> 00:47:24,160
thing is like us trying to work with
Middleton in doing this and I even know

585
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:28,000
like Verona is looking into moving to
2200K as well. I don't know how far

586
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:32,160
along that process is but heard about
they are they are also updating their

587
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:39,160
lighting ordinance but it doesn't cover
street lighting but it's just a jump

588
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:39,160
down to the 22 is what this is.

589
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:50,319
And there's also inside of here, there's
also a reduction inside of residential

590
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:54,480
neighborhoods from 3500 to 20 to 2500
lumen, meaning you're bringing them down

591
00:47:52,319 --> 00:47:58,880
because the ones that are installed in
certain areas,

592
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:03,119
they can be kind of bright, but yet the
ordinance says like along Bourbon and

593
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:09,359
along Church, we can still use 29, which
is modeling what Middleton is doing

594
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:12,560
right now. Middleton is using 29 or 3500
lumens along major roads inside

595
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:16,400
residential areas. They're they're
reducing them now.

596
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:20,720
And I went in and looked at some of them
and to be honest with them like okay

597
00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:24,640
yeah those legs are because we have we
have some at the 35 just underneath 35

598
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:29,760
installed. I went to Middleton and
looked at the ones that are under 25 and

599
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:34,960
I'm like it's down slightly but it's not
a ton. It is not. And if whole thing we

600
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:39,760
install some and they're lower, we can
bump them up. I mean these these

601
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:44,240
fixtures have a dial. You can actually
turn and dial the lights up and down

602
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:48,720
like the ones that are currently being
installed. Like it you can turn them up

603
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:51,520
and turn them down. It's very simple.
>> So you could turn them higher than the

604
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:55,680
sorry you could turn them higher than
the 20. If we install the 22, we can

605
00:48:53,760 --> 00:49:00,319
turn them higher than or whatever.
somewhat the

606
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:05,520
» you you can't change the 2200 K, but you
can make the bulb brighter.

607
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:09,440
» It'll put out more light, but you these
don't have some lights do have the

608
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:12,640
ability to change the color, but these
do not. A lot of times these are just a

609
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:17,480
solid.
>> Can you go to the one that shows the

610
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,480
street lights?

611
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:22,880
Yeah.
>> I did not preook at this.

612
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:32,839
» Yeah, I didn't.
That one you're talking about? Yeah.

613
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:32,839
So this just shows the idea of

614
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:40,240
saying did you do a question?
>> Yeah, I do. It's not a question. It's

615
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:46,720
what I would like to see part of our
street policy. I would like to see the

616
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:52,079
shielding done because if you notice uh
when you drive on Church Street, look on

617
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:56,720
Evergreen, you can see how bright it is.
You know, there's no reason for us to

618
00:49:54,079 --> 00:50:01,760
see the light on Church Street from
Evergreen. So, if you shield it, then

619
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:07,119
you're shielding the light more from
escaping. And just so at Midtown, the

620
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:10,880
neighbors complain because the bright
lights weren't shining at them. They

621
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:18,240
were shining down, but you can see the
bulb and it's very annoying. So, I would

622
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:24,960
like to see shielding done where from
180 degrees at street level you cannot

623
00:50:21,359 --> 00:50:29,920
see the light bulb. I'd like them
recessed in

624
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:33,920
» or they put a band around because I
think that's really annoying looking

625
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,240
down evergreen and seeing those super
bright lights.

626
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:41,839
» But we do want it to cover,
>> right? But you can see the covering is

627
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:47,119
you're not changing that much covering.
you look at the the the

628
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:51,839
drawing and it depends on how far she'll
fall. I put on a half inch and you

629
00:50:49,839 --> 00:50:56,640
didn't notice it in the parking lot, but
when you were in the neighbors Y because

630
00:50:54,720 --> 00:51:00,480
one woman was watching TV and there's
just you could just see the bright

631
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:05,280
light. It's not like it's shining in
you. You just seem like a really bright

632
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:10,000
star
>> and it made a ton of difference. I don't

633
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:15,040
think you need to see the light from the
side. It's down.

634
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:18,160
» That's all I'm saying that I'd like to
see in there somehow. And I don't know

635
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:24,319
what the language would be.
>> Um,

636
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:29,359
right now we do require it's called full
cut off, which basically means you

637
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:33,599
aren't ejecting light up, but like with
what you're shielding, the shielding

638
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:37,200
downward isn't covered. And a full cut
off just means it's all but you can

639
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:40,880
still have some really at the top. Full
cut just mean it's not going upward.

640
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:45,119
like in that first going up,
>> right?

641
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:49,440
» So on a lot of street lights, they do
have certain shielding aspects like what

642
00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:55,280
you're talking about. Like with the
street lights that MG is currently

643
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:59,280
installing, there is I'll do I'll go
over shielding real fast. With street

644
00:51:57,359 --> 00:52:02,400
lights, they have things called house
side shields, which will shield light

645
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:06,000
going backwards, like it's going
backwards into a house. They have front

646
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:12,160
side shields, which cut it off going
across the street. But these also have a

647
00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:16,559
shield that goes up and cuts off all the
light above 80 between 90 and 80

648
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:21,040
degrees, which might be what you're
talking about. You're you're cutting off

649
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:25,440
that top little sliver of them and it
goes all the way around it,

650
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:30,960
» right? And that might be what you're
talking about. That isn't in here. I

651
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:37,599
know that they exist for these fixtures.
>> Okay. And it's kind of on like my to-do

652
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:41,760
list is sort of like ask MG& to sort of
install some of these because some of

653
00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:44,000
these fixtures like when I ride around
the bridges they're they're installed

654
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,359
and I don't know if they're totally
level but sometimes I'm kind of like oh

655
00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:52,079
there seems to be a lot of light like
going on the house like in the road like

656
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:56,559
is it level or what a shield like
>> you know knock that off and do that. So,

657
00:52:54,240 --> 00:53:00,160
it has been
say something I've been thinking about

658
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:05,359
from talking to MD about haven't done
it. We're working with Matt to talk to

659
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:10,079
them, but it's not explicitly written in
the policy, but that can be worked out

660
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:14,720
individually also with them.
>> Okay, that's that's fine. I just that is

661
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:20,240
just the one thing that I would like
because I LEDs is clearly the way to go

662
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:26,800
to save money, right? We all agree that
they take a lot less electricity, but

663
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:31,680
they're so much brighter than a sodium
light, you know, in the sense in mine.

664
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:36,480
It's that yellow look. So, you can look
and it disappears as you're farther and

665
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:40,960
farther away. You don't see the
brightness like you see on epree, right?

666
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:45,359
They're pretty they're pretty intense
because they're very small little dodes

667
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:50,480
that are producing a lot of the light as
like a pinpoint of density

668
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:55,119
» what it is what you're alluding to.
>> Right. Right. Um

669
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:58,960
and like what I've found I mean I've
looked at a fair number of street lights

670
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:02,800
a lot of these ones with the LEDs is
that they make them and they make them

671
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:07,359
pretty flat and they put the panels like
right under there so you don't get a lot

672
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:11,599
of like how our main street has a large
overhang over. Yeah,

673
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:16,000
» a lot of times on these neighborhood
lights, you don't find a whole lot of

674
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:19,040
overhang. They're really
>> they're really tight up to the flat.

675
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,760
» They are.
>> And I am looked at building street

676
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,960
lights and I'm like, I can't find one
that just has like even a little bit of

677
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:33,079
And it might be because like what you
were talking about because when you do

678
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:33,079
that, you lose coverage and on a road.

679
00:54:33,359 --> 00:54:42,720
Um, so those were kind of the two things
that are inside of this policy.

680
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:48,480
Um, did anybody have any questions?
Well, um,

681
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:51,599
so how many light bulbs are we talking
about?

682
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:56,520
We change this ordinance. We got to
change about the entire village. We

683
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:04,480
one, we don't have to like the ones that
MG& put up like I don't think we can

684
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:08,079
enforce that. to place a bunch of 2700
KWS. I wasn't planning on doing that

685
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:13,280
because I think they would bite that.
They're like, "These are out." But I

686
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:16,720
know like next summer across the village
there are some remaining mercury vapor

687
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:22,640
ones and Matt's talk spoken with the guy
from MG, not just the ones that are in

688
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:27,040
like the Evergreen or Elwood Circle way
that that MG wants Matt to buy because

689
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:32,079
they don't want stock ones, but the
other ones on the poles, they're looking

690
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:36,480
to replace those. And there's, I don't
know, 12 of them around. Now, the whole

691
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:40,640
thing, I mean, I don't know. I've spoken
to MG. They might have 50 of the 2700Ks

692
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:46,000
in stock. We're going to move 50 of
those before we get to the

693
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:51,040
» I don't know because MG owns. Okay. The
village doesn't, but our policy will

694
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:54,000
dictate what they will install at a
future.

695
00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:57,680
» Okay. So, does this cost anything
change?

696
00:55:55,599 --> 00:56:02,160
No, this won't. Right now, I'm not
planning on this costing us anything.

697
00:55:59,359 --> 00:56:07,920
I'm not I'm not looking to come next
year in the year with like a CIP and

698
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:11,760
being like no because like we have um
like in the newer developments like

699
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:18,720
Scenic Valley pre-crossing all those are
using 2700K versions of this fixture.

700
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:23,920
I'm not going to say we need to buy 40
light fixtures and get them down to

701
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:29,200
2200K. What happens when they go bad or
take go or we need to replace them in 10

702
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:36,079
years? venue, but I'm not looking to do
a like a CIP and spend

703
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:43,200
like $200 fish. I'm not going to spend
like $10,000.

704
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:48,960
» So, if you're changing from sodium to
right the village, I don't think the

705
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:53,520
village owns any
owns that owns all the pools and

706
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:57,359
boosters in your neighborhood. Village
does.

707
00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:02,079
» Okay. So,
does the fixture need to be replaced if

708
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:07,119
you're going to change it to LED? That's
where that's where,

709
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:11,200
» you know, your question and say this is
all everything that we have right now is

710
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:15,760
grandfathered in it. What this is saying
is in the future, this is the direction

711
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:23,119
we want the village to go. We want them
to go from 27 to 22. So like in uh this

712
00:57:20,799 --> 00:57:29,359
Marchstone all the lights in Marchstone
if this passes will move to a 2200

713
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:32,720
» that that I don't know because the first
phase might be 2700 but the second phase

714
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,599
might be
>> I'm just saying because I think

715
00:57:34,509 --> 00:57:39,920
[clears throat]
>> and then when we go and replace that's

716
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:43,920
what we want to replace them with.
>> So there shouldn't be any cause to this

717
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:49,599
is it just the change of
>> that's fine. However,

718
00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:55,200
I guess if I if I'm changing a light
bulb in my house and I'm going from a

719
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:59,119
regular incandescent to a LED, the
fixture is exactly the same. I'm going

720
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:02,720
to change the fixture. That's what I was
asking. Is the fixture exactly the same?

721
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:08,880
Whether you're using a sodium or you're
using an LED, you know, they or the

722
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:13,040
fixture has to be replaced.
MG& when

723
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:17,119
sometimes they do it, sometimes they
don't. When a high pressure sodium bulb

724
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:20,960
goes out, sometimes they just come out
and they just put a new bulb in. Those

725
00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:25,839
bulbs are still available. You can still
purchase them in the United States soon.

726
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:30,920
Who knows that might become illegal or
you know like they don't sell them

727
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:30,920
because of energy inefficiency.

728
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:37,599
Some fixtures I have seen where the
highpressure sodium fixture has been

729
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:41,440
converted to an LED, but what happens is
that the electrical guts have to be

730
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:48,000
changed out. Okay,
>> that cuz all LEDs run on direct current

731
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:52,640
meaning and okay and the high pressure
sodiums there's a ballast in there that

732
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,680
comes off the alternating current that
it balances because at the beginning of

733
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:59,920
it it needs a lot more current once it
warms up it needs less current so

734
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:03,440
there's so the electrical guts get
changed out but I have seen high

735
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:06,240
pressure sodium fixtures where they put
a bulb

736
00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:09,680
LEDs all around
>> they convert it from AC to DC put the

737
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:14,400
bulb
>> NG is not doing that with any of their

738
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:18,799
fixtures. When one of these fixtures
fails, they just tape down that old

739
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:23,760
fixture, gets recycled, and they are
just installing a whole

740
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:27,520
new LED fixtures.
>> We're just dictating to MGM what we're

741
00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:31,599
going to allow in the village in the
future. That's that that's kind of where

742
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:36,880
you're getting so much in new
developments, we try to hone the stuff

743
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:41,440
cheaper. So, it's really what we want.
>> That's what we want. But it also helps

744
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:48,160
with engine.
And then like Middleton is going to be

745
00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:53,359
installing a bunch of the 2700 KS, but
if we switch ours to like if Middleton's

746
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:58,559
ordinance now is like, you know, under
24, which is 22, and ours is 22, it

747
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:03,200
really encourages MG& to say, hey, when
we have to go service Middleton, one

748
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:10,640
2700s go, both of these places are 22.
We're just going to stop 22s. It kind of

749
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:15,119
encourages the utility to go down this
route is is what it's doing. Did do you

750
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:21,319
know did Middleton talk to MGB at all
about this and how they I'm just asking

751
01:00:18,319 --> 01:00:21,319
» um

752
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:32,079
Middleton bought a bunch of the 2700s
when MG&

753
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:36,799
was still operating under the 2700 which
this policy was sort of written around

754
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:43,119
five years ago.
I don't know how NG feels about

755
01:00:40,319 --> 01:00:47,040
Middleton going to the 20. I don't know.
But I think

756
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:50,960
are they gonna fight it? I don't have
any idea. We'll find out at some point

757
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:54,319
in the future. But just on the ordering
thing, it's it's like the exact same

758
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:58,480
picture. It doesn't make a lot of
headache for them. And if it's what

759
01:00:55,599 --> 01:01:03,119
their customers want, I don't see
I think I think you need

760
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:06,799
the Middleton part of it. We need to do
a little more research because

761
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:10,880
Middleton's not on a
policy. They have all their energy

762
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:15,359
renewable, right, for the whole city by
2015, whatever. So, they have a goal and

763
01:01:13,839 --> 01:01:19,920
it probably makes sense why they're
doing this because they want to reduce

764
01:01:17,359 --> 01:01:23,280
the amount of energy that's being paid
for or whatever. But I think there's

765
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:28,720
just more to it than just because their
neighbors doing it. I was thinking, but

766
01:01:26,319 --> 01:01:31,839
it's kind of And then I'm confused about
we said we don't own any of the street

767
01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:37,040
lights.
>> We do. We own street lights. We own the

768
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:40,640
ones in the newer developments.
>> Okay.

769
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:46,319
» That survey and show how many village
and how many were in Gene,

770
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:49,520
» right? Yeah. No, we we own in Scenic
Valley. We own in Creek Crossing. We own

771
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,880
in
>> Main Street.

772
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:56,079
» Main Street. We own We own the ones on
Main Street.

773
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:59,839
» We own the ones by the junior high. Any
development built after the junior high

774
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:04,000
development. All of those street lights
we own.

775
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:08,880
» Yeah. Church Street and Evergreen. Yeah.
Yeah. Everybody goes back to Twin. Yeah.

776
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:15,200
We own all of those,
>> but we don't own like down parks. We

777
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:19,440
don't own anything there. In Elmwood
Circle, we might own some of those

778
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:24,079
posttop ones if we start buying them and
MG needs replacing them. But like the

779
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,000
Street Lakes where you live, we don't
own any.

780
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:30,319
» No. No. Yeah.
>> This makes sense.

781
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:35,760
» Yeah. Um but this also saves money,
right? going from a 27 to a 22. I would

782
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:41,599
think that would save some electricity.
Where you're going to save electricity,

783
01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:47,359
the coloring isn't, but where you will
save it is by dropping from the 35 to

784
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:51,760
the 2500 lumens. That mean that on these
fixtures, you'll save 10 watts per

785
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:56,160
fixture. So, it's not a ton, but
multiply it across 100 lights, you're

786
01:02:53,520 --> 01:03:00,960
saving a,000 thousand. You know, a
th00and watt multip 300, you're saving

787
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:06,400
3,000 watts. I think right now
I haven't looked at it bill like what it

788
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:15,559
is per thousand watt of installed street
light I think charges $2 a month so

789
01:03:10,799 --> 01:03:15,559
reduction of a th000 watts over a year

790
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,319
» I mean that's on

791
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:26,240
there's there's all kinds of advantages
to doing this and I agree with Bill we

792
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:31,839
it's not such an advantage that we want
to invest in it what we do is this is

793
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:37,359
one of those things that we do it as we
would be doing it anyway. So like phase

794
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:43,119
two of Marchstone, they'll be putting in
the 22 30, you know what I mean? That's

795
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:48,079
that's how we should do it. If car wax a
pole down, they got to replace it. Then,

796
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:50,960
you know, we put the new stuff in.
That's that's kind of how I'm looking at

797
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:54,079
this.
>> Yeah. I'm fine if everything's

798
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:58,640
grandfathered and we're just going from
this point on from whatever gets proved

799
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:02,559
forward. I'm fine with that. I just
don't want to have the expensive Oh, no.

800
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:08,480
I agree with having replaced the entire
village with with something different.

801
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:11,599
No, no, that wasn't the intent. It
doesn't

802
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:15,280
say that in here.
>> Yeah, we'll have to change it or if you

803
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:20,960
want. Um
>> I would say purpose just say future.

804
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:25,839
» Yeah, just make Yeah, just have language
in there. So I would say yeah I could

805
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:29,520
add something in there like uh yeah
purpose

806
01:04:27,359 --> 01:04:32,400
after oh wait well
>> I thought you had it in the second

807
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:36,160
paragraph but
>> the whole thing is that it happens down

808
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:40,799
at the bottom of policy updates and
amendments this policy will take effect

809
01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:44,640
immediate plan adoption. So with that
saying everything above that is grand

810
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:48,799
because this policy
>> after so once that's signed this is

811
01:04:47,359 --> 01:04:52,559
going to go into effect on everything
before that

812
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:56,960
» is not retroactive.
>> Right. Exactly. Everything that's up is

813
01:04:54,880 --> 01:05:02,799
still good because this is probably
going to take effect on whatever day it

814
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:06,440
gets improving.
I will be holding

815
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:23,079
no issues with understand
this is a new policy follows.

816
01:05:23,359 --> 01:05:30,559
Um, as someone who walks a lot, uh,
including at night, I do have a little

817
01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:33,680
concern about the ribbons, um, on
residential streets because there's

818
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:39,440
already a lot of spots where it's pretty
dark. Um, some places we have street

819
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:45,599
lights that are more than 480 ft apart,
wherever the distance talk about

820
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:48,799
intersections. If they're more than 480
ft apart, you know, you can look at

821
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:53,520
immediate ones. I haven't gone through
and done my research to see how many,

822
01:05:51,599 --> 01:06:00,640
but I'm just someone who walks around a
lot at night and thinks spots are too

823
01:05:56,079 --> 01:06:05,359
dark. I have some concerns about how I I
recognize like you can dial them up and

824
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:12,319
down a little. So maybe it's on case by
case basis. If there are some spacing is

825
01:06:09,359 --> 01:06:18,160
larger, having a brighter fixture on
both ends uh makes sense. I just want to

826
01:06:15,359 --> 01:06:22,799
some
we adopt

827
01:06:19,119 --> 01:06:26,880
» there there is there is allow there is a
policy variance down at the bottom that

828
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:32,000
says things need to be submitted to the
building prior to

829
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:38,000
increased illumination or use of an
alternate. So there are this has been

830
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:42,160
written in that it isn't just steady and
it doesn't have to be absolutely like

831
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:48,799
the policy states. So there's there
there there are ways to increase that.

832
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:55,599
» Is there any thought given to public
safety or police department this?

833
01:06:52,319 --> 01:07:03,200
» Uh no it went through sustainability.
They passed it.

834
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:10,720
» One other comments policy.
have will give any thought to specific

835
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:16,160
like
non street lighting like pedestrian

836
01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:21,520
pathway stuff like I'm thinking
Xander

837
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:27,359
didn't put in the lighting we're talking
I'd love to see fully lit walkway down

838
01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:33,200
to the boardwalk across the tracks and
back to the new W hall especially

839
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:38,160
center as we're putting in more paths
through the village, even if they're on

840
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:43,359
streets. Um, I'd like us to see to at
least consider some kind of pedestrian

841
01:07:40,319 --> 01:07:48,000
scale lighting. Um, I guess that's
something interesting now, but as if

842
01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:53,599
we're redeveloping policy
update, uh, as we're putting in more

843
01:07:50,400 --> 01:08:01,280
paths and things like that,
you know, smaller, obviously not tall,

844
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:04,400
but smaller, more frequent
scale

845
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:09,039
places.
>> Um, Katie Rip and Mike Jackson had they

846
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:13,359
were trying to write a grant for solar
at one point in time. Put in there for a

847
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:17,400
walk. Yeah, we have those two right now.
They're on either side of tracks.

848
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:25,920
» Yeah, that's been brought up in if you
look along University Avenue by the W

849
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:30,960
hospital
much more frequent smaller than once,

850
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:35,199
but with solar and something like that
going from at least the boardwalk to I

851
01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:39,279
agree with you from a boardwalk to the
pavilion because people are going to be

852
01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:45,839
parking at village hall and taking the
path so it should be lit. sort of like a

853
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:52,279
path on right now rely on the people
living there to turn their lights on.

854
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:52,279
It's really dark. It is places

855
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:02,880
on path. That's dangerous.
>> Maybe easier now that we have power on

856
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:05,839
that side of the
Wasn't one to hold up before the

857
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:11,279
pavilion.
>> You mean we have power by pavilion?

858
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:16,359
» Yeah, we have power. We have access now
before we never had that ability to tap

859
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,359
into something

860
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:23,679
like
the entrance to the pavilion.

861
01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:28,480
» Yeah.
>> They have rough.

862
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:31,120
» Yeah. The conduit.
>> But that only takes it around the

863
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:35,120
pavilion.
>> You would still need to go from the

864
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:39,839
pavilion to the boardwalk because the
lights that the railroad made us put in,

865
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:42,719
you can easily see. I just brought up
this policy. We might need to have a

866
01:09:42,159 --> 01:09:46,719
separate
>> Yeah, that would be something.

867
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:50,799
» That's a good call. I really, especially
with winter coming up,

868
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:54,000
» you know, it gets darker earlier.
>> You can't walk the boardwalk.

869
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:59,120
» That's right. And I can tell you, you
can trip over a piece of

870
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:01,840
» because I got a scar that prove that.
>> Yeah.

871
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:06,000
» And the boardwalk's not not level. I
mean, there are balls.

872
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:10,640
» Okay. I Yeah, that's a different topic
that we should be bringing up. Um, so

873
01:10:08,719 --> 01:10:14,440
where are we? Does someone want to make
a motion on this?

874
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:21,840
» I'll make a motion to approve the
I recommend approval of the updated

875
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:26,040
street policy.
>> All right. Do I have a second?

876
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:34,400
» I'll second it.
>> Okay. I have a motion in a second. Any

877
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:39,600
discussion? I just I like Seth's idea of
having the safety committee take a quick

878
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:43,360
look at this and just make sure they
don't have any issues with it. I know

879
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:48,560
sustainability
looked at it, but

880
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:54,400
having dark spots in a village I think
is worth taking a look at.

881
01:10:50,880 --> 01:11:01,199
» But but here's the thing as some most of
our in in cities most of your dark spots

882
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:06,880
are caused by either
shrubs and trees blocking the light.

883
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:14,159
It's not on how bright it is and the
path at on a long brewery. You could

884
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:18,239
have lights right there and because the
tree branches and everything go over

885
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:22,880
that's what's stopping the light
through. I don't think the brightness of

886
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:26,320
the light is going to send it so much
farther that it's going to make a

887
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:31,440
significant difference. I don't have a
problem if we want to send this uh to

888
01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:38,560
public safety. I don't see it as a
public safety um part because it's in

889
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:43,600
there that certain areas are going to be
lit differently. This is just a standard

890
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:48,719
operating unless
you think sub uh public safety has the

891
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:53,280
expertise to take all this and really
know the difference in it. Michael's

892
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:58,400
going to be in there explaining it to
them and they're going to be just like

893
01:11:55,040 --> 01:12:05,280
us listening to what he has to say
because unless you can come up with some

894
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:11,199
type of data that shows
whatever however you measure brightness

895
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:17,120
from different things from a 35 to a 25
what are you really talking about?

896
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:21,280
I get that. But public safety, there's
no rush on this. I mean, this is

897
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:26,080
something in the future that's going to
happen when that happens. And it's not

898
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:30,320
we're not buying anything. When public
safety takes a look at takes a ticket,

899
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:33,760
the can maybe there's something we're
missing. I mean, when I asked to have

900
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:37,760
the street light, the extra street light
on bourbon

901
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:42,159
turned it so facing the park went
through public safety and place. It's

902
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:45,840
just we're covering our butt and you
know it' be different if we need to do

903
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:49,280
it tomorrow or next week but we don't.
This could be

904
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:56,560
» No, I'm not doing that. I I I just think
sometimes when we refer there should be

905
01:12:53,120 --> 01:13:02,239
a purpose to it. Just referring it to
them for the public safety that throws

906
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:05,679
them in a position where okay
where what are we talking about here?

907
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:11,440
you know, they're going to have to
become experts on the distance of 35 to

908
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:19,840
25 because you're not going to it's not
really the 27 to 22 that matters. It's

909
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:24,960
the 35 to 25 that matters, right? So,
it's just going to be a lot of

910
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:29,760
scientific stuff that I'm pretty sure
cities

911
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:34,159
have already researched, but I like I
say, I'm not opposed to it. I'm just

912
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:38,960
saying if we're going to refer it, I
think we got to give them some guidance

913
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:43,679
on what we are referring them to.
>> Well, I think Michael would be part of

914
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:47,199
that and we may hear stuff in the stet
into the boardwalk. We start now started

915
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:51,120
mingering down a different area. They
may have something that somebody brings

916
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:56,679
up as well and says, "Hey,
>> I know that's my worry."

917
01:13:53,679 --> 01:13:56,679
board.

918
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:03,120
That's a whole different topic that I
agree we should be looking but has

919
01:14:01,679 --> 01:14:04,480
nothing to do with what we're talking
about tonight.

920
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:08,480
» Right.
>> They may go on to their next agenda.

921
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:12,960
They might make a thing. Okay. Go ahead
though.

922
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:17,360
» So I I disagree with you Jay only
because

923
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:24,159
what is proposed here is the build
crossplay street light policy.

924
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:27,840
Talk about parks. I'm talking about the
current

925
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:31,920
safety that we have with the current
lighting system or changing the lighting

926
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:36,640
system. No, they're not going to be
experts in what's different between one

927
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:40,239
loom and another loom. They're not. But
they're going to know, they may know or

928
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:46,159
they may look at something different
than we are saying, you know, the the

929
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:50,400
lights between this house and this
house, there's some big black gap in the

930
01:14:48,719 --> 01:14:54,560
middle regardless if there's trees or
not. That's something we should look at

931
01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:57,679
with our street light policy. That's
that's the only thing I want.

932
01:14:56,239 --> 01:15:03,280
» Oh, I see what you're saying. You're
saying if they can add something to it

933
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:07,840
» or if they just see something that is
you blatantly says you just missed this

934
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:12,080
and we're not talking about parks. We're
not talking about

935
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:17,040
» we're talking this is specifically
street light policy that's comp

936
01:15:15,679 --> 01:15:23,760
and that's what I want them to take a
look at is just are they cool and we're

937
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:28,000
looking at it let's look at it and see
if we've missed anything

938
01:15:25,679 --> 01:15:33,840
» but but I I we got on to so much
pedestrian safety pedestrian lighting is

939
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:38,719
different than street lighting it's
completely different topic it's not even

940
01:15:35,679 --> 01:15:43,920
in the same box I think you So that
that's what I'm just throwing out there.

941
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:48,880
» Right. I think we stay focused on street
life policy. If you want to talk about

942
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:50,400
park policy and and policy,
>> Yes.

943
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:55,280
» bring that up.
>> Yeah.

944
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:59,040
» Right. But I don't I don't know. This
has just been the policy for the five

945
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:03,920
years. It has things written into it
that if you want to add a street light

946
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:08,159
somewhere can if the police think a
street light goes somewhere where the

947
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:12,400
policy says you can suggest to the
building board to have one installed

948
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:17,199
that already exists in the policy and
I'm saying that I don't know everything

949
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:20,719
about this anyway like we might start
installing them and be like oh the

950
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:23,840
2500's too young they need to be turned
up and the policy goes I'm going to say

951
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:26,480
that exact same thing at public safety
because I don't know how people are

952
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:30,400
going to feel about it
>> and I got to say 5 years is not a really

953
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:34,719
long period of time. I mean if we just
changed this 5 years ago that's that's

954
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:39,600
not that's
>> it's not that we change it. We wrote it.

955
01:16:37,679 --> 01:16:44,320
» Oh you wrote it five years ago.
>> Put it on paper.

956
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:49,360
» Yeah. We didn't really This is basically
what was mostly being done in the old

957
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:53,199
developments anyway just not to LEDs. We
just didn't have an LED specified for

958
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:59,040
the village and that's what was coming
down. A lot of this replicates what was

959
01:16:56,239 --> 01:17:02,560
being done in the neighborhood where you
live and other ones. I mean, I went out

960
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:07,600
and measured like distances between
street lights and came up with like this

961
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:10,640
is how I think distances should function
and where in the village I found that

962
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:15,360
are too close and where there are places
where they are very stretched out. This

963
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:19,520
wasn't done like just
whatever. Like

964
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:25,360
» I just remember we did work on this. We
got $11,000 back from MG& because they

965
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:30,320
were charging us for our own
>> Oh, I'm so So, but no, I'm trying to

966
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:34,159
give you a history that this policy,
right, why it's five years old, but it's

967
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:36,960
been a practice in the village for a
long, long time. What we wanted to do is

968
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:41,600
put it on paper.
>> It makes sense. I'm just saying five

969
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:45,920
years and that's good. We're just you're
seeing differences and technology

970
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:52,000
changes and I get that.
So, and I think it makes sense to refer

971
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:55,520
back. We don't have sidewalks on Park
Street. We don't have sidewalks in L

972
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:59,360
village where we're relying on street
light for the pedestrians to walk safely

973
01:17:57,679 --> 01:18:03,360
with their families or anything else.
There's no rush. Why Why we can't refer

974
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:07,679
this to them with some ideas?
>> You're missing I referring it, but it's

975
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:11,760
got to be like I say, I wanted to make
sure that people's expectations here

976
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:17,760
isn't there. You're going to go out
there with light meters on a 35 and 25

977
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:21,679
to see how far the light goes because we
were talking a lot about pedestrian

978
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:24,239
safety and that's a different type of
lighting.

979
01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:27,120
» Not here when you have everybody walking
the street.

980
01:18:24,719 --> 01:18:31,760
» That's not the because we are trying to
make a Park Street will have sidewalks

981
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:37,600
probably when we get done with that
project. All right. That could be as

982
01:18:33,679 --> 01:18:43,840
early as 2028. All right. So we are we
put in uh we put them on brewery. We are

983
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:48,400
putting in sidewalks and stuff to make
it safe. So that has to do with the

984
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:53,120
street lights.
>> All right.

985
01:18:51,040 --> 01:19:00,159
» So
you know they're not too

986
01:18:57,440 --> 01:19:06,080
I think the street light think about the
brightness. This does affect pedestrian

987
01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:13,440
bike safety, which is why I brought that
up. the point I made about the the U

988
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:18,560
block for yes that that's not a street
lighting that would be a specializing

989
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:24,640
that we can develop another policy for
not saying it needs to be but the street

990
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:31,760
lighting policy itself does impact
pedestrian and safety some that was my

991
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:35,840
concern in some of these places where
spacing is larger I was I'm concerned

992
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:40,400
about reducing
the number of lumens from this but as

993
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:44,880
Michael pointed out there it's already
in the ordinance where we have some

994
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:51,280
flexibility
uh to go a brighter ball dark spot and

995
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:56,480
so that's why you know I'm comfortable
with this presented um we don't have to

996
01:19:54,960 --> 01:20:01,280
composters have to sit the slightest
type of distance so it's simple as that

997
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:07,280
but I think this does affect our student
safety on most of our streets

998
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:11,000
more block than that kind of pedestrian
scale like that.

999
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:19,760
» And that was partially why this fixture
initially really came out to me was that

1000
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:23,679
it has that dial of amount of brightness
that you want. It's incredibly easy to

1001
01:20:21,679 --> 01:20:28,880
change them up to change them down. Like
you like you don't lock yourself into

1002
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:32,480
when you get it, you're stuck here. It's
easy just to have the guys up and go

1003
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:40,000
click click and now you get a thousand
more took them two minutes to to bump

1004
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:46,440
them up.
>> Well, we have a motion on the table. So,

1005
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:46,440
let's do a roll call vote.

1006
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:52,960
» Commissioner Hillbrand,
this is to recommend approval of the

1007
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:55,840
updated policy.
>> Yes.

1008
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:58,159
» Commissioner Johnson,
>> yes. Trusty Calvator,

1009
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,560
» no.
>> Trusty Roius,

1010
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,679
» yes.
>> President Lel,

1011
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:06,679
» yes.
All right.

1012
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:16,239
Uh, I guess we're at adjournment.
>> Mjourn. Second.

1013
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:24,480
» All right. All in favor say I.
>> I. I'll say move. Thank you.

1014
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:30,480
All right. So, they'll be getting in
contact with you tomorrow to see if

1015
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,480
Thursday, early Thursday or