1 00:00:11,249 --> 00:00:11,618 Good evening. 2 00:00:11,874 --> 00:00:18,062 I'd like to call the Village of Croton-on-Hudson Planning Board meeting 3 00:00:18,062 --> 00:00:19,108 Croton-on-Hudson Planning Board meeting for Tuesday, 4 00:00:19,108 --> 00:00:21,374 July 28th, 2026, to order. 5 00:00:21,374 --> 00:00:27,736 We have A couple of items on our agenda, first being a new business item. 6 00:00:27,736 --> 00:00:35,056 Carmel Riverside LLC, 425 South Riverside Avenue, applications for a special permit, 7 00:00:35,056 --> 00:00:41,506 site plan approval, and a steep slope permit for a new 49-unit multifamily 8 00:00:41,506 --> 00:00:42,290 permit for a new 49-unit multifamily building. 9 00:00:42,290 --> 00:00:49,436 Um, I have a relationship with one of the principals in this, uh, application, uh, 10 00:00:49,436 --> 00:00:53,010 who I have ongoing business with, uh, Mr. 11 00:00:53,010 --> 00:00:59,982 Leggio, and therefore am recusing myself from the application and will turn over 12 00:00:59,982 --> 00:01:06,779 the, uh, chairmanship of the meeting and the review of this application to our 13 00:01:06,779 --> 00:01:09,743 Deputy Chairman, uh, Geoff Haynes. 14 00:01:09,743 --> 00:01:16,279 So I'll be stepping down now, and I'll come back at the end of the meeting. 15 00:01:16,279 --> 00:01:19,501 All right, so we respect Rob's decision. 16 00:01:19,501 --> 00:01:26,107 Um, he is concerned about the integrity of the Village Planning Board and wants to 17 00:01:26,107 --> 00:01:31,666 make sure there's no perception at all of, of any kind of favoritism. 18 00:01:31,666 --> 00:01:33,599 So, um, we respect that. 19 00:01:33,599 --> 00:01:39,399 Going to miss him greatly in this application, his expertise. Thank you, 20 00:01:39,399 --> 00:01:39,802 application, his expertise. Thank you, John. 21 00:01:39,802 --> 00:01:41,816 He's incredible. In fact, 22 00:01:41,816 --> 00:01:47,939 he was named by Westchester Municipal Planning Federation the Planner of the 23 00:01:47,939 --> 00:01:48,342 Planning Federation the Planner of the Year. 24 00:01:48,342 --> 00:01:54,383 So his, his skills are great. We're going to miss him for this application. 25 00:01:54,383 --> 00:01:58,250 So we're beginning tonight a long, long process. 26 00:01:58,250 --> 00:02:04,534 Okay, the village residents are concerned that we give this a thorough review. 27 00:02:04,534 --> 00:02:06,387 We're going to do that. 28 00:02:06,387 --> 00:02:12,348 We're going to give this a thorough review, and that of course takes time. 29 00:02:12,348 --> 00:02:18,793 There's a number of moving parts to this application, and it's fairly sprawling, 30 00:02:18,793 --> 00:02:25,157 and we're going to be tracking each and every one of the loose ends to see that 31 00:02:25,157 --> 00:02:25,479 every one of the loose ends to see that they 32 00:02:25,479 --> 00:02:27,090 are fully evaluated. 33 00:02:27,090 --> 00:02:33,535 The way this will play out over the next few weeks Tonight we're going to have a 34 00:02:33,535 --> 00:02:38,530 period where we're— we have many questions for the applicants. 35 00:02:38,530 --> 00:02:44,813 Those of you that have read the backup material that's provided on the website 36 00:02:44,813 --> 00:02:45,136 material that's provided on the website will 37 00:02:45,136 --> 00:02:51,097 see a report from our planning consultant that works for the village, NPV, 38 00:02:51,097 --> 00:02:53,836 represented by Bo Brady over here, 39 00:02:53,836 --> 00:02:59,475 that outlines 31 areas that Are pointed out as needing some additional 40 00:02:59,475 --> 00:03:00,523 out as needing some additional clarification 41 00:03:00,523 --> 00:03:03,020 or some additional information. 42 00:03:03,020 --> 00:03:08,417 We also have some accompanying documentation on traffic studies and 43 00:03:08,417 --> 00:03:08,901 documentation on traffic studies and school 44 00:03:08,901 --> 00:03:14,379 enrollment impact and water and sewer impact and community benefits. 45 00:03:14,379 --> 00:03:19,615 So there's a lot of supporting documentation that came with this. 46 00:03:19,615 --> 00:03:22,273 This is you know a six-inch high. 47 00:03:22,273 --> 00:03:27,107 Packet of information that the planning board gets for this. 48 00:03:27,107 --> 00:03:30,974 So we're going to be going through that tonight, 49 00:03:30,974 --> 00:03:36,613 asking questions about that supporting information, the traffic study, 50 00:03:36,613 --> 00:03:39,271 the water and sewer hookups, etc. 51 00:03:39,271 --> 00:03:43,138 This meeting tonight, just so everybody's aware, 52 00:03:43,138 --> 00:03:49,019 is going to be a discussion with a developer where we have a lot of gaps. 53 00:03:49,019 --> 00:03:55,786 In this application that we need clarified before we can go into a full presentation 54 00:03:55,786 --> 00:04:00,539 of where everything's going to be laid out on the property, 55 00:04:00,539 --> 00:04:04,970 how tall it's going to be, what color it's going to be, 56 00:04:04,970 --> 00:04:09,803 where the car chargers are going to be. We're not there yet. 57 00:04:09,803 --> 00:04:15,765 Where we are right now is with an application that that has a lot of gaps, 58 00:04:15,765 --> 00:04:19,551 and until we have all that information in hand. 59 00:04:19,551 --> 00:04:24,143 We're not ready to get a presentation from the developer. 60 00:04:24,143 --> 00:04:29,299 With any luck, that information comes to us by the next meeting, 61 00:04:29,299 --> 00:04:34,374 and we might be able to entertain a presentation at that point. 62 00:04:34,374 --> 00:04:40,819 I know this might be news to you guys, but just want to explain to you that the— 63 00:04:40,819 --> 00:04:46,297 what we see is the process going forward, be transparent about that. 64 00:04:46,297 --> 00:04:49,761 This application includes a special permit. 65 00:04:49,761 --> 00:04:51,614 And a site plan review, 66 00:04:51,614 --> 00:04:58,139 2 actions that the planning board has to take and 2 approvals or denials that the 67 00:04:58,139 --> 00:05:01,281 planning board will be responsible for. 68 00:05:01,281 --> 00:05:07,564 There'll be public hearings on both of those. Tonight is not a public hearing. 69 00:05:07,564 --> 00:05:11,834 Tonight is going to be one-on-one with the applicant. 70 00:05:11,834 --> 00:05:18,440 Bill Brady, our NPV planning consultant, will be going through point by point The, 71 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,145 uh, 31 areas that we need more information on. 72 00:05:22,145 --> 00:05:27,865 And then planning board members will have a bunch of questions as well, 73 00:05:27,865 --> 00:05:32,618 perhaps the village engineer, to flesh out the application. 74 00:05:32,618 --> 00:05:39,063 So we're not at the point yet where we can get a presentation nor public comment 75 00:05:39,063 --> 00:05:45,508 until we have a common set of facts that everybody understands what this project 76 00:05:45,508 --> 00:05:50,019 entails. It's premature to start making points about it. 77 00:05:50,019 --> 00:05:52,275 So let the process play out. 78 00:05:52,275 --> 00:05:55,980 I know some of you came here wishing to speak, 79 00:05:55,980 --> 00:05:59,686 but give us some time to do our due diligence. 80 00:05:59,686 --> 00:06:04,278 Have some patience, and we will get a better application, 81 00:06:04,278 --> 00:06:09,917 a better group of information for you to react to as a result of this. 82 00:06:09,917 --> 00:06:10,252 Thank you. 83 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,643 Um, so that's kind of where— what I wanted to lay out. 84 00:06:14,643 --> 00:06:17,409 Um, this is going to be several meetings. 85 00:06:17,409 --> 00:06:22,334 There's, there's going to be a lot of loose ends to track down and follow 86 00:06:22,334 --> 00:06:23,008 loose ends to track down and follow throughout 87 00:06:23,008 --> 00:06:28,270 the meeting. There may be some zoning board variances that need to be pursued. 88 00:06:28,270 --> 00:06:30,564 We'll find out about that tonight. 89 00:06:30,564 --> 00:06:34,274 So there's a lot of things that are going to transpire. 90 00:06:34,274 --> 00:06:37,850 Obviously, no decisions are going to be made tonight. 91 00:06:37,850 --> 00:06:40,278 Nor anytime in the immediate future. 92 00:06:40,278 --> 00:06:42,235 So just so everybody's aware, 93 00:06:42,235 --> 00:06:47,902 this is something that the planning board is really going to weigh carefully and dig 94 00:06:47,902 --> 00:06:51,612 into like we have. And, you know, rest assured, that's, 95 00:06:51,612 --> 00:06:53,973 that's where we're going with this. 96 00:06:53,973 --> 00:06:57,616 Anybody have anything else they'd like to add to this? 97 00:06:57,616 --> 00:07:03,852 No. Do you want to have the attorney tee up some of what our protocols and 98 00:07:03,852 --> 00:07:04,610 up some of what our protocols and abilities 99 00:07:04,610 --> 00:07:05,453 are? Yeah. 100 00:07:06,126 --> 00:07:11,029 So That's a good point, Steve. So what we'll do is we'll turn it over. 101 00:07:11,029 --> 00:07:16,213 Introducing our team here: Bill Brady from MPV, Lori Lee Dickinson— Dixon, 102 00:07:16,213 --> 00:07:21,747 I'm sorry— the village attorney, and Vincent Salanitro is our village engineer. 103 00:07:21,747 --> 00:07:26,650 Karen Stapleton is our representative from the engineering department, 104 00:07:26,650 --> 00:07:31,904 and planning board members who you have probably seen in previous meetings. 105 00:07:31,904 --> 00:07:34,286 So we're going to be working with, 106 00:07:34,286 --> 00:07:38,839 with the developer to To answer these questions and flesh it out. 107 00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:44,303 And during the course of this process, the planning board cannot just say, no, 108 00:07:44,303 --> 00:07:46,545 we don't like this, and vote no. 109 00:07:46,545 --> 00:07:51,938 We've got certain criteria we have to weigh and some criteria we can't weigh. 110 00:07:51,938 --> 00:07:54,950 So to kind of flesh some of that out, Lori, 111 00:07:54,950 --> 00:08:00,134 if you don't mind giving people an overview of some of the things that the 112 00:08:00,134 --> 00:08:00,694 overview of some of the things that the planning 113 00:08:00,694 --> 00:08:04,267 board will be able to consider in this application. 114 00:08:04,267 --> 00:08:09,452 Sure. And I think the concerns are specific to the special permit. 115 00:08:09,452 --> 00:08:15,109 So of course, there's a site development plan that goes along with that. 116 00:08:15,109 --> 00:08:21,395 But since this is the first application to be entirely within the purview of the 117 00:08:21,395 --> 00:08:27,759 planning board, I thought maybe just to explain the process for a special permit, 118 00:08:27,759 --> 00:08:33,023 a special use permit. And the, the criteria is clearly in the code. 119 00:08:33,023 --> 00:08:39,072 I did an educational memorandum to you. It's not privileged and confidential. 120 00:08:39,072 --> 00:08:43,551 It will be uploaded along with the rest of the documents. 121 00:08:43,551 --> 00:08:48,186 It just explains what a special permit is, what it entails, 122 00:08:48,186 --> 00:08:54,472 and the decision by the Village Board of Trustees to assign you with the primary 123 00:08:54,472 --> 00:08:57,693 responsibility of the special use permit. 124 00:08:57,693 --> 00:08:57,965 Thank you. 125 00:08:59,105 --> 00:09:05,149 Was because of your unique qualifications and expertise in, um, these, 126 00:09:05,149 --> 00:09:07,135 these planning aspects. 127 00:09:07,135 --> 00:09:13,007 The Village Board of Trustees has enacted local legislation in your, 128 00:09:13,007 --> 00:09:19,655 your village code which defines uses permitted as of right and indicates that 129 00:09:19,655 --> 00:09:19,914 permitted as of right and indicates that in, 130 00:09:19,914 --> 00:09:26,736 in your use tables, and also defines what uses are permitted by special permit. 131 00:09:26,736 --> 00:09:32,953 So they've already predetermined by legislation that the use proposed is 132 00:09:32,953 --> 00:09:33,730 legislation that the use proposed is permitted 133 00:09:33,730 --> 00:09:37,615 in this zone, at this location, in this zone, 134 00:09:37,615 --> 00:09:42,624 pursuant to additional conditions and additional criteria. 135 00:09:42,624 --> 00:09:48,581 So, so you're not allowed as a planning board to legislate otherwise. 136 00:09:48,581 --> 00:09:52,985 You can find by reviewing the criteria in the code, 137 00:09:52,985 --> 00:09:57,561 and it's Article 10 of the Village Code, zoning code. 138 00:09:57,561 --> 00:10:04,124 Article 10 in its complete current state is also included in the memo that I 139 00:10:04,124 --> 00:10:06,714 provided and will be uploaded. 140 00:10:06,714 --> 00:10:13,622 So you can see in its entirety the areas to be considered by the planning board. 141 00:10:13,622 --> 00:10:19,666 And the applicant is aware of the responsibilities to meet the minimum 142 00:10:19,666 --> 00:10:20,789 responsibilities to meet the minimum requirements. 143 00:10:20,789 --> 00:10:27,610 And the project, once it's determined to be the project and presented publicly, 144 00:10:27,610 --> 00:10:30,200 will then have an opportunity— 145 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:37,367 you'll have an opportunity to look at the project as proposed and to determine what 146 00:10:37,367 --> 00:10:40,735 additional information you may require, 147 00:10:40,735 --> 00:10:44,620 what other records or evidence that you need. 148 00:10:44,620 --> 00:10:51,787 And again, you'll need to find substantial evidence in the record to either approve 149 00:10:51,787 --> 00:10:56,881 it, approve it with conditions, or deny it in its entirety. 150 00:10:56,881 --> 00:11:02,235 But that substantial evidence must be present. in your record. 151 00:11:02,235 --> 00:11:08,624 Your record is the development starting with this initial conversation and 152 00:11:08,624 --> 00:11:12,855 continuing throughout the public hearing process. 153 00:11:12,855 --> 00:11:20,109 This project, once it's ready in answering all of the necessary information that may 154 00:11:20,109 --> 00:11:26,325 or may not be missing from the, the plans that you have in front of you, 155 00:11:26,325 --> 00:11:33,060 will need to go to the county planning board for review and comment before you 156 00:11:33,060 --> 00:11:33,320 board for review and comment before you can 157 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:39,623 reach a decision. And also, under the code provision as adopted recently, 158 00:11:39,623 --> 00:11:46,185 will need to be transmitted to the Board of Trustees for consideration as to 159 00:11:46,185 --> 00:11:51,020 providing you with comments. So that's a 30-day process. 160 00:11:51,020 --> 00:11:56,374 The, the project, having appeared this evening on your agenda, 161 00:11:56,374 --> 00:12:00,519 can now be placed on a Board of Trustees agenda, 162 00:12:00,519 --> 00:12:05,268 and the 30 days will run from the date of that meeting. 163 00:12:05,268 --> 00:12:10,966 So you do have time to obtain more information from the developer, 164 00:12:10,966 --> 00:12:15,975 a set of revised plans if appropriate, under the planning— 165 00:12:15,975 --> 00:12:19,687 your planning consultant's recommendations. 166 00:12:19,687 --> 00:12:26,509 And then you'll have time to consider comments you may receive from the county. 167 00:12:26,509 --> 00:12:33,503 Again, that's a 30-day requirement and comments you may receive from the Board of 168 00:12:33,503 --> 00:12:34,280 Trustees. 169 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:34,698 Mm-hmm. 170 00:12:34,698 --> 00:12:40,805 Again, the criteria is clearly set forth in the code, and you are limited. 171 00:12:40,805 --> 00:12:47,077 If, if you can determine that those factors and that criteria is met through 172 00:12:47,077 --> 00:12:52,194 evidence provided by the developer, then you can approve this, 173 00:12:52,194 --> 00:12:54,422 approve it with conditions, 174 00:12:54,422 --> 00:13:00,942 or if you feel that it hasn't met the necessary criteria based upon substantial 175 00:13:00,942 --> 00:13:07,709 evidence in the record, You can deny it in its entirety. So that's the limitation. 176 00:13:07,709 --> 00:13:14,229 You can't legislate it and say this use is not appropriate because the Board of 177 00:13:14,229 --> 00:13:20,749 Trustees has already determined this use is permitted by special permit in this 178 00:13:20,749 --> 00:13:22,069 zoning district. 179 00:13:22,246 --> 00:13:27,906 Okay, thank you. So there's obviously some time ahead of us for things to be 180 00:13:27,906 --> 00:13:30,737 investigated. Tonight, as I mentioned, 181 00:13:30,737 --> 00:13:36,546 we'll have the collaborative discussion with the developer where Bill Brady is 182 00:13:36,546 --> 00:13:36,918 with the developer where Bill Brady is going 183 00:13:36,918 --> 00:13:42,951 to walk through the memo that mentions the gaps that we saw in the application so 184 00:13:42,951 --> 00:13:49,133 that perhaps next meeting we can come back and have an application that's closer to 185 00:13:49,133 --> 00:13:52,485 being complete and we can move on from there. 186 00:13:52,485 --> 00:13:58,517 So perhaps, Andrew, if you want to come up to the Microphone, bring your team up, 187 00:13:58,517 --> 00:14:04,699 introduce everybody, and, um, we'll— I'll turn it over to Bill to walk through, um, 188 00:14:04,699 --> 00:14:05,742 his questions. 189 00:14:05,742 --> 00:14:10,616 Thank you, thank you. Uh, good evening, my name is Andrew Cortese. 190 00:14:10,616 --> 00:14:14,014 Um, I'm the applicant of Carmel Riverside LLC. 191 00:14:14,014 --> 00:14:17,485 I have my managing partner here, Robert Leggio. 192 00:14:17,485 --> 00:14:23,320 Um, we're here to present our multi- Family project. A little bit about myself. 193 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,388 I've been doing development, 194 00:14:25,388 --> 00:14:31,370 real estate development and construction for the last 30 years within Westchester 195 00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:35,801 County, from typically, most likely through the real estate, 196 00:14:35,801 --> 00:14:40,602 through the river towns from Yonkers all the way up to Peekskill. 197 00:14:40,602 --> 00:14:46,732 We, within the 30 years, we acquired some property and we hold it in our portfolio. 198 00:14:46,732 --> 00:14:47,055 Thank you. 199 00:14:47,666 --> 00:14:52,498 And we manage it as well. So typically we build and manage our own projects. 200 00:14:52,498 --> 00:14:56,758 So that's what we're looking to do here. We take pride in our work. 201 00:14:56,758 --> 00:15:01,590 And a little bit about this project, we purchased it, myself and my partner, 202 00:15:01,590 --> 00:15:06,422 probably 2 and a half years ago. There were some violations on the property. 203 00:15:06,422 --> 00:15:09,664 We cleaned those up. There were some tenants there. 204 00:15:09,664 --> 00:15:12,843 We kind of— they're still there as well right now. 205 00:15:12,843 --> 00:15:17,484 We were We were transparent with our goals to redevelop the property, um, 206 00:15:17,484 --> 00:15:20,981 so they were well aware that we are looking to do that. 207 00:15:22,767 --> 00:15:24,057 Um, and— 208 00:15:24,481 --> 00:15:25,852 oh, sorry, sorry. 209 00:15:26,277 --> 00:15:30,222 There you go. Thank you. 210 00:15:30,222 --> 00:15:32,241 So yeah, we're well— you know, the, 211 00:15:32,241 --> 00:15:36,393 the tenants are well aware that we're looking to redevelop the property. 212 00:15:36,393 --> 00:15:38,297 We've been transparent with them, 213 00:15:38,297 --> 00:15:41,584 and we look forward to working with your board board, uh, 214 00:15:41,584 --> 00:15:43,891 in the future for this development here. 215 00:15:45,143 --> 00:15:50,251 Thank you. Um, just a few words. Good evening, Deputy Chair, board members, 216 00:15:50,251 --> 00:15:50,660 evening, Deputy Chair, board members, staff. 217 00:15:50,660 --> 00:15:53,861 My name is Jacob Amir from Zarin and Steinmetz. 218 00:15:53,861 --> 00:15:57,402 Our firm is the attorney on the project, and, um, I, 219 00:15:57,402 --> 00:16:00,603 I just want to kind of supplement very briefly— 220 00:16:00,603 --> 00:16:05,098 I'm not going to take up too much time— what you opened with, and, 221 00:16:05,098 --> 00:16:10,751 and that this is a Serious, long— we hope not too long, but, but a serious process. 222 00:16:10,751 --> 00:16:15,995 And, and I'm, I'm happy that the members of the community are here behind us, 223 00:16:15,995 --> 00:16:20,013 this table, to hear this project from the, from the outset, 224 00:16:20,013 --> 00:16:25,326 because I think it's important from the beginning to get a good perspective of 225 00:16:25,326 --> 00:16:25,598 beginning to get a good perspective of what 226 00:16:25,598 --> 00:16:29,616 the project is. It's much easier to go through it that way. 227 00:16:29,616 --> 00:16:32,273 And, and we look forward to hearing Mr. 228 00:16:32,273 --> 00:16:35,474 Brady's And your village consultant's comments. 229 00:16:35,474 --> 00:16:39,901 A few seconds just overall so everybody hears what, what this is. 230 00:16:39,901 --> 00:16:44,532 So the project proposes the development of a building with 49 units, 231 00:16:44,532 --> 00:16:47,188 a combination of 1 and 2-bedroom units, 232 00:16:47,188 --> 00:16:52,568 I believe 79 parking spaces including 5 handicapped spaces, 5 affordable units, 233 00:16:52,568 --> 00:16:56,450 e-bike, bike storage, various amenities and improvements. 234 00:16:56,450 --> 00:17:01,558 Your planning consultant has identified this as a Type 2 action under SEQR. 235 00:17:01,558 --> 00:17:04,146 There are variances that are required, 236 00:17:04,146 --> 00:17:09,799 so we will be asking your board to refer to the zoning board so that we can proceed 237 00:17:09,799 --> 00:17:11,229 with that. But again, 238 00:17:11,229 --> 00:17:16,814 what's important to especially note for the people behind Andrew and me is that it 239 00:17:16,814 --> 00:17:19,811 doesn't obviously end with the zoning board. 240 00:17:19,811 --> 00:17:24,033 That is just one small, relatively Speaking component of this. 241 00:17:24,033 --> 00:17:29,550 It will go back to this, to this board for, for site plan and special use permit, 242 00:17:29,550 --> 00:17:31,457 as you had mentioned before. 243 00:17:31,457 --> 00:17:34,590 I want to just sort of introduce very quickly, 244 00:17:34,590 --> 00:17:40,107 and then we're going to turn it over to the consulting team because there's a lot 245 00:17:40,107 --> 00:17:40,243 the consulting team because there's a lot of 246 00:17:40,243 --> 00:17:42,422 info to get through, who's here. 247 00:17:42,422 --> 00:17:47,803 And the reason why I want to introduce is because you said there are components 248 00:17:47,803 --> 00:17:51,821 here. There's stormwater and lighting and landscaping. Yes. 249 00:17:51,821 --> 00:17:54,205 And traffic flow and school impact. 250 00:17:54,205 --> 00:17:58,223 So I think all of that needs to be addressed at the outset, 251 00:17:58,223 --> 00:18:03,876 not just because we want to show off that we have a project that's really great for 252 00:18:03,876 --> 00:18:09,188 the village, but that the team has gone through great efforts to try to get us 253 00:18:09,188 --> 00:18:09,529 through great efforts to try to get us here. 254 00:18:09,529 --> 00:18:13,819 There's a lot to put in, but that's— it's important to lay out. 255 00:18:13,819 --> 00:18:19,336 Lou Demasi of Demasi Architects is going to go through architectural plans to the 256 00:18:19,336 --> 00:18:24,171 extent We're able— Jim Annichiarico from Cronin Engineering and Michael 257 00:18:24,171 --> 00:18:28,530 Mastrogiacomo from Mastrogiacomo Engineering are going to handle 258 00:18:28,530 --> 00:18:29,824 Engineering are going to handle engineering aspects 259 00:18:29,824 --> 00:18:35,205 of the project. Robert Sherwood is going to talk to you about some landscaping, 260 00:18:35,205 --> 00:18:40,857 and Paul Vernon and Tars Schroff of Kimley Horn are going to talk to you about some 261 00:18:40,857 --> 00:18:45,012 fiscal issues, school impact or non-impact, and traffic memo. 262 00:18:45,012 --> 00:18:49,848 So Hopefully we get a wide scope on this meeting, and then we intend to 263 00:18:49,848 --> 00:18:50,665 meeting, and then we intend to incorporate, 264 00:18:50,665 --> 00:18:55,160 um, your planning consultant's comments into a further submission. 265 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,407 So as we go through this process, 266 00:18:57,407 --> 00:19:03,128 the issues and the open points become less and less and less and less till we get to 267 00:19:03,128 --> 00:19:08,713 a place where your board is comfortable with the site plan and special use permit. 268 00:19:08,713 --> 00:19:10,585 Okay, that's great. Thank you. 269 00:19:10,585 --> 00:19:14,890 Just to add one more piece of detail, To explain some of the process, 270 00:19:14,890 --> 00:19:19,507 we do anticipate that we will use an issues actions tracking sheet to keep 271 00:19:19,507 --> 00:19:20,006 issues actions tracking sheet to keep track of 272 00:19:20,006 --> 00:19:23,001 all the loose ends that we have in this project, 273 00:19:23,001 --> 00:19:26,183 things that we may be asking you to come back with. 274 00:19:26,183 --> 00:19:29,303 And it would just be a central document, you know, 275 00:19:29,303 --> 00:19:33,920 a single source of truth that we would share with you and— And the public. 276 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,475 And the public, yeah. It's going to be part of the public meeting backup. 277 00:19:38,475 --> 00:19:42,281 And it would show what the loose ends are, who's responsible, 278 00:19:42,281 --> 00:19:45,213 and the promised delivery date of those things. 279 00:19:45,213 --> 00:19:49,643 It's just common, you know, project management tracking type mechanism. 280 00:19:49,643 --> 00:19:53,324 So that'll be incorporated into, into this process as well. 281 00:19:53,324 --> 00:19:58,004 So I imagine the points that Bill's bringing up tonight will fall into that 282 00:19:58,004 --> 00:19:58,378 bringing up tonight will fall into that sheet. 283 00:19:58,378 --> 00:20:03,557 Some additional ones that the group here comes up with tonight would fall into that 284 00:20:03,557 --> 00:20:03,931 sheet. 285 00:20:03,931 --> 00:20:07,955 That'll be great. It keeps us on our, on our toes. With the checklist. 286 00:20:07,955 --> 00:20:10,139 So that's, that's, that's great. Sure. 287 00:20:10,139 --> 00:20:12,496 Do you want to take— want Lou to step in? 288 00:20:12,883 --> 00:20:15,060 All right. So with that, I think— 289 00:20:15,060 --> 00:20:19,604 Again, Mr., Mr. Acting Chair, just so we're clear, 290 00:20:19,604 --> 00:20:26,328 the board isn't necessarily interested in taking a full-blown presentation 291 00:20:26,328 --> 00:20:32,962 tonight. I think that they're interested clearly in The elements that the 292 00:20:32,962 --> 00:20:36,506 planning consultant has, has indicated. 293 00:20:36,506 --> 00:20:42,776 So maybe instead of taking the experts' presentations on the project, 294 00:20:42,776 --> 00:20:49,319 you can start by just having that review in public of the items that the 295 00:20:49,319 --> 00:20:54,953 planning consultants have determined may be missing from this. 296 00:20:54,953 --> 00:21:01,768 And also the planning board seeking clarifications on some of the questions 297 00:21:01,768 --> 00:21:02,041 clarifications on some of the questions and 298 00:21:02,041 --> 00:21:04,131 comments Yeah, exactly. 299 00:21:04,228 --> 00:21:07,410 I mean, that's, that's the intention for tonight. 300 00:21:07,410 --> 00:21:10,137 It would not be a full-blown presentation. 301 00:21:10,137 --> 00:21:13,708 Glad you guys have your subject matter experts on hand. 302 00:21:13,708 --> 00:21:17,604 They may be able to help fill in some gaps that Bill raises. 303 00:21:17,604 --> 00:21:20,591 So we could use them for, for that part of it. 304 00:21:20,591 --> 00:21:24,033 So with that, Bill, if you want to run down the list. 305 00:21:24,033 --> 00:21:25,843 Thank you very much, Chairman. 306 00:21:25,843 --> 00:21:29,884 Again, as you noted, our memo was in the materials that are online, 307 00:21:29,884 --> 00:21:33,685 and if you want to review those, you'll kind of can play along. 308 00:21:33,685 --> 00:21:38,209 Um, we put together this memo to kind of also give the board and the public 309 00:21:38,209 --> 00:21:40,742 background on what can appear complicated. 310 00:21:40,742 --> 00:21:44,241 There's a lot of different pieces to the things that need— 311 00:21:44,241 --> 00:21:47,800 this board's going to be approving. So get nice and closer. 312 00:21:47,944 --> 00:21:48,314 Thank you. 313 00:21:49,069 --> 00:21:54,335 And reviewing. And it's a good opportunity for the applicant to understand kind of 314 00:21:54,335 --> 00:21:59,151 going and all be on the same page as we've discussed on the various pieces. 315 00:21:59,151 --> 00:22:02,233 And again, this is our initial review of— again, 316 00:22:02,233 --> 00:22:07,113 we'll get into some of the general and procedural comments that we've pulled 317 00:22:07,113 --> 00:22:09,361 together. As has already been said, 318 00:22:09,361 --> 00:22:14,562 the board is going to be looking at this for a site plan approval by the planning 319 00:22:14,562 --> 00:22:19,443 board, and a public hearing will be conducted by the planning board for site 320 00:22:19,443 --> 00:22:19,700 conducted by the planning board for site plan 321 00:22:19,700 --> 00:22:23,360 approval. The planning board will also be reviewing this, 322 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:27,213 as the attorney also mentioned, for special permit approval. 323 00:22:27,213 --> 00:22:30,873 It requires a special permit by— from the planning board, 324 00:22:30,873 --> 00:22:35,561 and a public hearing will also be conducted by the planning board for the 325 00:22:35,561 --> 00:22:36,010 conducted by the planning board for the special 326 00:22:36,010 --> 00:22:38,129 permit. As already mentioned too, 327 00:22:38,129 --> 00:22:42,881 this application is categorized as qualifying exemption under the New York 328 00:22:42,881 --> 00:22:43,202 qualifying exemption under the New York State 329 00:22:43,202 --> 00:22:45,193 Environmental Conservation Law. 330 00:22:45,193 --> 00:22:48,789 No further SEQR action is required for this application. 331 00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:49,029 Thank you. 332 00:22:49,383 --> 00:22:53,783 That doesn't mean that this board will not be looking at the many, 333 00:22:53,783 --> 00:22:57,183 many environmental impacts of this project, though. 334 00:22:57,183 --> 00:23:00,049 As already mentioned, this project will be— 335 00:23:00,049 --> 00:23:04,715 the application referred to Westchester County Department of Planning, 336 00:23:04,715 --> 00:23:08,849 Westchester County, due to its— due to the special use permit. 337 00:23:08,849 --> 00:23:12,115 There are also additional local land use permits. 338 00:23:12,115 --> 00:23:17,515 We list them in here, everything from A deep slope permit, a tree removal permit, 339 00:23:17,515 --> 00:23:19,981 and an excavation and filling permit. 340 00:23:19,981 --> 00:23:22,448 We've requested that the application— 341 00:23:22,448 --> 00:23:27,448 that the applicants submit those application materials to the village as we 342 00:23:27,448 --> 00:23:27,581 application materials to the village as we go 343 00:23:27,581 --> 00:23:33,114 further along. I think it's also mentioned that this application not only is in the 344 00:23:33,114 --> 00:23:38,314 C-2 commercial district— C-2 general commercial district— it's also located in 345 00:23:38,314 --> 00:23:38,580 commercial district— it's also located in the— 346 00:23:38,580 --> 00:23:42,980 Sorry, the Harmon South Riverside Gateway Overlay Zoning District. 347 00:23:42,980 --> 00:23:47,713 So it's got, it's got its underlying zoning, the C-2, and also the, uh, 348 00:23:47,713 --> 00:23:49,646 HSRG Overlay Zoning District. 349 00:23:49,646 --> 00:23:53,713 So we'll get into some of those details on those 2 districts. 350 00:23:53,713 --> 00:23:55,379 Um, we note that the, um, 351 00:23:55,379 --> 00:24:00,046 we've outlined what we believe are potential zoning variances that the 352 00:24:00,046 --> 00:24:00,779 potential zoning variances that the application 353 00:24:00,779 --> 00:24:04,445 would be would require based on the current submission, 354 00:24:04,445 --> 00:24:09,912 and we request some additional information as we go through some of these specific 355 00:24:09,912 --> 00:24:12,712 variances that would, again, as mentioned, 356 00:24:12,712 --> 00:24:16,245 would have to go through the Zoning Board of Appeals. 357 00:24:16,245 --> 00:24:18,778 We note that the— per the zoning code, 358 00:24:18,778 --> 00:24:24,044 the maximum floor area ratio shall be 0.8 And the applicant needs to provide an 359 00:24:24,044 --> 00:24:28,577 exact calculation so that we all understand what floor area ratio is 360 00:24:28,577 --> 00:24:29,377 understand what floor area ratio is proposed for 361 00:24:29,377 --> 00:24:33,777 this project. The next one is regarding the height of the project. 362 00:24:33,777 --> 00:24:35,777 The maximum height is 35 feet. 363 00:24:35,777 --> 00:24:41,310 In addition, the— for buildings located in their entirety more than 5 feet from the 364 00:24:41,310 --> 00:24:46,243 street line, the height in feet and in stories shall be established by the 365 00:24:46,243 --> 00:24:46,710 stories shall be established by the village 366 00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:52,176 engineer in such a way that no building shall be prevented from attaining at least 367 00:24:52,176 --> 00:24:57,709 at one point the maximum height permitted in the district in which such building is 368 00:24:57,709 --> 00:24:59,242 proposed to be erected, 369 00:24:59,242 --> 00:25:04,309 such height to be measured above the elevation of the pre-construction grade 370 00:25:04,309 --> 00:25:06,775 abutting such building at this point. 371 00:25:06,775 --> 00:25:10,508 We noted that in the site plan drawings, we need to see— 372 00:25:10,508 --> 00:25:15,775 they need to provide that the calculations regarding the height of the building 373 00:25:15,775 --> 00:25:21,241 relation to the site is And those will be provided to the village engineer for his 374 00:25:21,241 --> 00:25:26,774 review. Also, another variance is that we note that the front yard setback does not 375 00:25:26,774 --> 00:25:32,307 comply with for the C2 zoning district and for lots within 25 feet of a residential 376 00:25:32,307 --> 00:25:37,240 district boundary. So a variance will be required related to that setback, 377 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:42,640 and the front yard setback does not comply with the HSRG overlay zoning district. 378 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,706 A variance from the Zoning Board of Appeals will be required. 379 00:25:46,706 --> 00:25:50,439 So regarding parking, um, in the code specifically says, 380 00:25:50,439 --> 00:25:53,706 notwithstanding any other provisions of the code, 381 00:25:53,706 --> 00:25:59,106 for mixed-use and multi-family residential buildings in that HSRG gateway overlay 382 00:25:59,106 --> 00:26:04,372 area, there shall be provided at least the following amount of parking for each 383 00:26:04,372 --> 00:26:06,105 residential dwelling unit: 384 00:26:06,105 --> 00:26:11,372 1 parking space plus 1 additional parking space for each bedroom in the unit in 385 00:26:11,372 --> 00:26:12,705 excess of 1 bedroom. 386 00:26:12,705 --> 00:26:18,104 And we say, for example, studio apartment, 1 space; 1-bedroom apartment, 1 space; 387 00:26:18,104 --> 00:26:20,104 2-bedroom apartment, 2 spaces. 388 00:26:20,104 --> 00:26:24,971 So the proposed project will, will meet the minimum parking requirements, 389 00:26:24,971 --> 00:26:29,770 but the zoning table has the wrong calculation for the required parking. 390 00:26:29,770 --> 00:26:34,970 Again, the applicant will give the correct information and provide that to the 391 00:26:34,970 --> 00:26:40,303 board. So then we get into the area and bulk Regulations relating to the maximum 392 00:26:40,303 --> 00:26:41,903 building square footage. 393 00:26:41,903 --> 00:26:47,236 The code says, with the exception of lots within the C-2 zoning district and the 394 00:26:47,236 --> 00:26:51,036 Municipal Place gateway area fronting on Municipal Place, 395 00:26:51,036 --> 00:26:56,369 the maximum permissible square footage for any single building should not exceed 396 00:26:56,369 --> 00:27:01,835 20,000 square feet. It appears that the building will be larger than 20,000 square 397 00:27:01,835 --> 00:27:05,168 feet, so a variance from the ZBA will be required. 398 00:27:05,168 --> 00:27:09,968 And we are asking that the applicant confirm the building's total square 399 00:27:09,968 --> 00:27:10,501 confirm the building's total square footage. 400 00:27:10,501 --> 00:27:14,635 So now we're going to get into some of the design regulations, 401 00:27:14,635 --> 00:27:18,901 and this has to do with off-street parking placement and design. 402 00:27:18,901 --> 00:27:24,501 The code states that all the parking shall be located along the side and in the rear 403 00:27:24,501 --> 00:27:29,367 of buildings unless the applicant demonstrates to the planning board that 404 00:27:29,367 --> 00:27:29,834 demonstrates to the planning board that site or 405 00:27:29,834 --> 00:27:34,033 business constraints prevent conformance with this requirement. 406 00:27:34,033 --> 00:27:37,500 The proposed project does not meet this requirement. 407 00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:42,833 And we are requesting that the applicant provide more information whether or not 408 00:27:42,833 --> 00:27:48,299 they're going to be seeking a waiver from the planning board for that requirement. 409 00:27:48,299 --> 00:27:52,166 Another requirement is related to curb cuts and sidewalks. 410 00:27:52,166 --> 00:27:57,299 Quote, properties within the gateway area shall be permitted a maximum of one 411 00:27:57,299 --> 00:28:02,365 vehicular curb cut per lot per street frontage unless the property owner can 412 00:28:02,365 --> 00:28:07,565 demonstrate the planning board that this standard cannot be achieved or is not 413 00:28:07,565 --> 00:28:09,765 appropriate to the specific site. 414 00:28:09,765 --> 00:28:12,898 And the project does not meet this requirement, 415 00:28:12,898 --> 00:28:18,364 and we're asking the applicant to seek a waiver from the Planning Board related to 416 00:28:18,364 --> 00:28:20,964 that curb cut and sidewalk requirement. 417 00:28:20,964 --> 00:28:24,231 Another requirement related to open space, quote, 418 00:28:24,231 --> 00:28:29,430 to enhance the appearance of the gateway areas and contribute to Croton's open 419 00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:29,764 areas and contribute to Croton's open space 420 00:28:29,764 --> 00:28:35,297 character, a minimum, a minimum of 15% of the lot shall be set aside as open space. 421 00:28:35,297 --> 00:28:40,563 Applicants will be required to submit a landscape plan as part of the site plan 422 00:28:40,563 --> 00:28:41,363 application. 423 00:28:41,363 --> 00:28:41,539 Thank you. 424 00:28:42,776 --> 00:28:45,482 The applicant has submitted a landscape plan, 425 00:28:45,482 --> 00:28:50,173 but additional information is needed to determine if the project complies with 426 00:28:50,173 --> 00:28:50,413 determine if the project complies with this 427 00:28:50,413 --> 00:28:53,300 section. If any of the components do not comply, 428 00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:58,291 the applicant will need to either seek a variance from the ZBA or a waiver from the 429 00:28:58,291 --> 00:29:00,937 planning board. So then, related to signage, 430 00:29:00,937 --> 00:29:05,207 all signs in the Gateway District must conform to the village's signage 431 00:29:05,207 --> 00:29:05,928 conform to the village's signage regulations. 432 00:29:05,928 --> 00:29:10,438 In addition, no sign in the Gateway District shall exceed 48 square feet in 433 00:29:10,438 --> 00:29:10,739 District shall exceed 48 square feet in area. 434 00:29:10,739 --> 00:29:13,325 And the application— the applicant will be— 435 00:29:13,972 --> 00:29:14,182 would— 436 00:29:14,926 --> 00:29:19,972 is required to provide more information if they're going to be having any signs at 437 00:29:19,972 --> 00:29:23,357 the proposed site, and again, the sizes of those signs. 438 00:29:23,357 --> 00:29:27,973 Regarding lighting, a lighting and photometric plan is required at the time 439 00:29:27,973 --> 00:29:28,404 photometric plan is required at the time of site 440 00:29:28,404 --> 00:29:32,527 plan application. That has not been submitted, and the application— 441 00:29:32,527 --> 00:29:37,327 the applicant should provide this to confirm that the lighting plans will meet 442 00:29:37,327 --> 00:29:37,512 confirm that the lighting plans will meet the 443 00:29:37,512 --> 00:29:41,943 requirements of the lighting section of the code. So more about parking. 444 00:29:41,943 --> 00:29:44,466 Regarding the size of the parking spaces, 445 00:29:44,466 --> 00:29:47,789 300 square feet shall be considered one parking space, 446 00:29:47,789 --> 00:29:52,097 and it's to provide room for standing area and aisles for maneuvering. 447 00:29:52,097 --> 00:29:56,959 The applicant should provide parking dimensions on the site plan to confirm the 448 00:29:56,959 --> 00:30:01,082 proposed project meets the zoning regulations for that requirement. 449 00:30:01,082 --> 00:30:05,882 Related to access, Unobstructed access to and from a street shall be provided. 450 00:30:05,882 --> 00:30:10,928 Such access shall consist of at least one 10-foot lane for parking areas with less 451 00:30:10,928 --> 00:30:15,790 than 20 spaces and at least two 10-foot lanes for parking areas with 20 or more 452 00:30:15,790 --> 00:30:20,529 spaces. So the applicant is requested to provide the parking aisle and access 453 00:30:20,529 --> 00:30:25,083 dimensions on the site plan to confirm that the project meets those zoning 454 00:30:25,083 --> 00:30:29,514 requirements. We get into another list of Regulations, more regulations. 455 00:30:29,514 --> 00:30:32,960 The project will need to meet— we discussed this before— 456 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,268 the project will need to meet the regulations related to the village's 457 00:30:37,268 --> 00:30:37,883 regulations related to the village's affordable 458 00:30:37,883 --> 00:30:39,176 housing requirements. 459 00:30:39,176 --> 00:30:44,099 This project, the planning board will need to make a determination regarding the 460 00:30:44,099 --> 00:30:45,576 reservation of parkland. 461 00:30:45,576 --> 00:30:50,438 So the planning board will determine whether a proper case exists for requiring 462 00:30:50,438 --> 00:30:50,684 whether a proper case exists for requiring such 463 00:30:50,684 --> 00:30:53,453 land reservation in accordance with the code. 464 00:30:53,453 --> 00:30:57,700 Related to the village's local waterfront revitalization consistency, 465 00:30:57,700 --> 00:31:01,208 the board will need to make it its consistency determine— 466 00:31:01,208 --> 00:31:06,008 determination with the village's LWRP as part of its final site plan approval, 467 00:31:06,008 --> 00:31:09,577 and the applicant has provided a coastal consistency form. 468 00:31:09,577 --> 00:31:14,316 The project will need to conform to the village's requirements for stormwater 469 00:31:14,316 --> 00:31:15,608 pollution prevention. 470 00:31:15,608 --> 00:31:18,070 They'll need to provide a plan for that, 471 00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:20,778 but because the site is greater than 1 acre, 472 00:31:20,778 --> 00:31:23,547 a stormwater pollution plan will be required. 473 00:31:23,547 --> 00:31:23,726 Thank you. 474 00:31:24,738 --> 00:31:26,053 The site— excuse me— 475 00:31:26,053 --> 00:31:31,313 falls within the Indian Brook Croton Gorge overlay and must meet the performance 476 00:31:31,313 --> 00:31:34,207 criteria of those— of that part of the code. 477 00:31:34,207 --> 00:31:39,598 The applicant should provide a narrative on how the project will meet the criteria 478 00:31:39,598 --> 00:31:41,440 of that overlay. So we also— 479 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,503 that's just the background on all the different approvals and requirements of 480 00:31:46,503 --> 00:31:46,766 different approvals and requirements of this 481 00:31:46,766 --> 00:31:51,960 project. We then took a look at the site plan and we had the following comments 482 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,999 regarding the landscaping plan. 483 00:31:53,999 --> 00:31:58,996 We recommended that the applicant provide an irrigation plan for all the new 484 00:31:58,996 --> 00:32:00,377 plantings, plantings, 485 00:32:00,377 --> 00:32:05,440 and can please confirm that the rear plantings will not be in constant shade, 486 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,675 and if so, select another species, 487 00:32:07,675 --> 00:32:12,410 and also provide information on how the rear area of the project will be 488 00:32:12,410 --> 00:32:13,133 rear area of the project will be maintained. 489 00:32:13,133 --> 00:32:15,763 We had a comment on the retaining walls. 490 00:32:15,763 --> 00:32:20,761 We note that 3 tiers of retaining walls are proposed for with the site plan. 491 00:32:20,761 --> 00:32:25,429 Additional details on the construction of the walls should be provided. 492 00:32:25,429 --> 00:32:30,163 We're requesting whether or not geotechnical studies have been conducted 493 00:32:30,163 --> 00:32:30,558 geotechnical studies have been conducted on the 494 00:32:30,558 --> 00:32:32,136 stability of the slopes. 495 00:32:32,136 --> 00:32:37,462 The planning board may want to consider having a structural engineer review those 496 00:32:37,462 --> 00:32:42,657 structural plans related to water and sewer and the capacity of those utilities 497 00:32:42,657 --> 00:32:42,788 sewer and the capacity of those utilities in 498 00:32:42,788 --> 00:32:46,010 the area. So in accordance to the— with the code, 499 00:32:46,010 --> 00:32:49,232 the location of all proposed water lines, valves, 500 00:32:49,232 --> 00:32:54,427 and hydrants And of all sewer lines with profiles should be provided indicating 501 00:32:54,427 --> 00:32:59,095 connections with existing lines or alternative means of water supply or 502 00:32:59,095 --> 00:32:59,490 alternative means of water supply or sewage 503 00:32:59,490 --> 00:33:01,002 disposal and treatment. 504 00:33:01,002 --> 00:33:03,501 Again, related to stormwater, related— 505 00:33:03,501 --> 00:33:07,578 the code requires that a stormwater pollution prevention plan— 506 00:33:07,578 --> 00:33:12,509 we discussed this already— shall be required for any site development plan, 507 00:33:12,509 --> 00:33:16,915 and that it will need to be submitted. Still needs to be submitted. 508 00:33:16,915 --> 00:33:19,413 Tree removal— related to tree removal, 509 00:33:19,413 --> 00:33:23,030 the code requires that a tree removal plan be provided. 510 00:33:23,030 --> 00:33:25,397 Related to blasting or rock removal, 511 00:33:25,397 --> 00:33:30,855 we are requesting information on whether blasting or rock removal will be happening 512 00:33:30,855 --> 00:33:35,457 at the site, and if so, what mechanism is proposed to remove the rock. 513 00:33:35,457 --> 00:33:37,298 Related to emergency access, 514 00:33:37,298 --> 00:33:42,230 we noted that one of the plans do include include a fire truck access plan, 515 00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:47,753 but it still needs to show the ability for a fire truck to access the garage or show 516 00:33:47,753 --> 00:33:49,529 adequate maneuvering space. 517 00:33:49,529 --> 00:33:54,855 And we were requesting that they discuss whether or not the project meets the New 518 00:33:54,855 --> 00:33:58,143 York State Building Code fire access requirements, 519 00:33:58,143 --> 00:34:02,219 and a turning diagram on the proposed site should be provided. 520 00:34:02,219 --> 00:34:07,743 We also recommend that the planning board refer this application to the village fire 521 00:34:07,743 --> 00:34:12,543 department for their review and Related to visual impacts and elevations, 522 00:34:12,543 --> 00:34:15,436 architectural elevations have been provided, 523 00:34:15,436 --> 00:34:19,052 but no context montage is included as required by code. 524 00:34:19,052 --> 00:34:24,378 A context montage, a streetscape montage that shows adjacent buildings within 200 525 00:34:24,378 --> 00:34:27,206 feet of the proposed building, is required, 526 00:34:27,206 --> 00:34:32,466 and the applicant should provide photo simulations of the project in the context 527 00:34:32,466 --> 00:34:32,598 simulations of the project in the context of 528 00:34:32,598 --> 00:34:34,373 the surrounding properties. 529 00:34:34,373 --> 00:34:39,765 In addition, we ask that they provide rear elevations of the proposed building and 530 00:34:39,765 --> 00:34:41,080 its retaining walls. 531 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,946 Regarding lighting, a lighting diagram is required that shows the areas of 532 00:34:45,946 --> 00:34:51,009 illumination. The code requires that the proposed location, direction, power, 533 00:34:51,009 --> 00:34:56,072 and time— the timing of the proposed outdoor lighting is provided by means of 534 00:34:56,072 --> 00:34:56,335 outdoor lighting is provided by means of data 535 00:34:56,335 --> 00:34:59,031 details and an illumination contour plan. 536 00:34:59,031 --> 00:35:04,291 Which shows that lighting equal to or greater than 1/2 footcandle will not splay 537 00:35:04,291 --> 00:35:04,489 greater than 1/2 footcandle will not splay off 538 00:35:04,489 --> 00:35:08,763 the site as required. We get into— we discussed trash collection. 539 00:35:08,763 --> 00:35:14,023 So we note that the trash storage and removal appear to be located at the garage 540 00:35:14,023 --> 00:35:16,587 door or refuge area shown on the plans, 541 00:35:16,587 --> 00:35:19,875 but the garbage truck can only back into the site, 542 00:35:19,875 --> 00:35:22,439 blocking the driveway and the sidewalk. 543 00:35:22,439 --> 00:35:26,450 Additionally, in the preliminary set of The first floor plan, 544 00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:30,987 a trash room is shown adjacent to the refuge area without an internal 545 00:35:30,987 --> 00:35:31,711 refuge area without an internal connection. 546 00:35:31,711 --> 00:35:37,037 So we're asking that the applicant clarify the proposed trash collection process. 547 00:35:37,037 --> 00:35:42,231 Also, the garbage truck turning diagram shows that the truck must back into the 548 00:35:42,231 --> 00:35:42,494 shows that the truck must back into the site 549 00:35:42,494 --> 00:35:47,557 from South Riverside Avenue, blocking the driveway and the proposed sidewalk. 550 00:35:47,557 --> 00:35:52,621 And we're requesting that they discuss how often the trash will be picked up. 551 00:35:52,621 --> 00:35:57,947 And also, all dumpsters and refuge storage areas shall be fully screened from the 552 00:35:57,947 --> 00:36:01,037 street and adjacent properties as per the code. 553 00:36:01,037 --> 00:36:05,837 We discussed the proposed walkway that was shown on the, on the drawings. 554 00:36:05,837 --> 00:36:11,229 The applicant will discuss a little bit more of that and whether or not there will 555 00:36:11,229 --> 00:36:15,109 be an entrance to the building through the walkway on site. 556 00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:20,566 Delivery and loading area, we are asking for more information on delivery vehicles, 557 00:36:20,566 --> 00:36:24,906 uh, where, where they will be, what area that will be located, uh, 558 00:36:24,906 --> 00:36:28,720 whether or not there's a loading or delivery vehicle zone. 559 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:32,994 And if so, we're requesting that they mark that on the site plan. 560 00:36:32,994 --> 00:36:37,859 Um, the code also requires a construction, a construction management plan. 561 00:36:37,859 --> 00:36:40,358 And in those, in that management plan, 562 00:36:40,358 --> 00:36:45,487 the applicant will be also providing information on phasing and staging during 563 00:36:45,487 --> 00:36:50,287 construction, duration of construction Truck traffic during construction, 564 00:36:50,287 --> 00:36:53,049 construction noise, and construction dust. 565 00:36:53,049 --> 00:36:57,914 So in that construction management plan, they're required to provide that. 566 00:36:57,914 --> 00:37:01,531 So it's a long list, and again, we're at the beginning, 567 00:37:01,531 --> 00:37:06,068 but they have a lot to get back to us. Thank you very much, Chairman. 568 00:37:06,068 --> 00:37:10,813 Thanks, Bill. It's really complete. I really appreciate all your hard work on 569 00:37:10,813 --> 00:37:11,121 really appreciate all your hard work on that. 570 00:37:11,121 --> 00:37:15,742 So I'm assuming you guys will come back with something in the next meeting, 571 00:37:15,742 --> 00:37:18,884 something in writing, give you time to digest this. 572 00:37:18,884 --> 00:37:23,937 Meanwhile, while we're here together, do you have any initial questions, feedback, 573 00:37:23,937 --> 00:37:26,032 comments on what you heard so far? 574 00:37:26,032 --> 00:37:29,311 So, no, we don't have any comments per se. 575 00:37:29,311 --> 00:37:33,604 We want to second that we appreciate the thorough memo. 576 00:37:33,604 --> 00:37:38,210 This is a great roadmap for us, so it's very, very helpful. 577 00:37:38,210 --> 00:37:41,723 I don't know if— look, we have our team here. 578 00:37:41,723 --> 00:37:47,734 It may be helpful for them to just give a little bit of their thoughts on the 579 00:37:47,734 --> 00:37:50,935 project, at least aspects of the project. 580 00:37:50,935 --> 00:37:56,244 We don't want to be long-winded, but at least since everyone's here, 581 00:37:56,244 --> 00:38:02,645 have them come up and just give some sort of facets of it to put into context what 582 00:38:02,645 --> 00:38:04,909 we just heard from Mr. Brady. 583 00:38:04,909 --> 00:38:09,018 Yeah, no, I mean, we don't have a complete application at this point, 584 00:38:09,018 --> 00:38:13,781 and I think it might be premature to Bring people up and start talking about the 585 00:38:13,781 --> 00:38:18,009 project. Unfortunately, you assembled your team for this, and you know, 586 00:38:18,009 --> 00:38:20,748 sorry that they're here and not able to speak. 587 00:38:20,748 --> 00:38:24,440 But really want to keep the focus on these outstanding issues. 588 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,584 Get a complete application together. 589 00:38:26,584 --> 00:38:30,335 I think that'll facilitate the project more than anything else. 590 00:38:30,335 --> 00:38:33,908 We come back; we all got a common set of facts to deal with. 591 00:38:33,908 --> 00:38:35,932 We all know what needs to be done. 592 00:38:35,932 --> 00:38:40,041 So that's kind of how I was hoping we would we would proceed tonight. 593 00:38:40,667 --> 00:38:44,929 And also because there are so many questions on here, 594 00:38:44,929 --> 00:38:50,316 adding or subtracting from the list of variances, that's, you know, 595 00:38:50,316 --> 00:38:54,336 a very essential question that should be answered. 596 00:38:54,336 --> 00:39:00,769 Some of the missing items and details and information may impact your ability to 597 00:39:00,769 --> 00:39:07,041 refer this at some point because you're not really sure what variances they're 598 00:39:07,041 --> 00:39:11,705 seeking and what needs to be sought and whether, you know, 599 00:39:11,705 --> 00:39:17,012 they're aware of the extent that the project didn't meet the code. 600 00:39:17,012 --> 00:39:23,364 And if, you know, they have members of their team that can speak to one or more 601 00:39:23,364 --> 00:39:23,525 their team that can speak to one or more of 602 00:39:23,525 --> 00:39:29,797 the comments, the architectural comments or the site plan comments or the— you 603 00:39:29,797 --> 00:39:30,199 or the site plan comments or the— you know, 604 00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:34,058 it's, it's important for you to— And the public. 605 00:39:34,058 --> 00:39:40,411 To have a project that is as complete as possible and ready for public comment, 606 00:39:40,411 --> 00:39:43,707 ready for referrals, ready for, you know, 607 00:39:43,707 --> 00:39:49,819 the necessary distributions under the general municipal law, et cetera. So I 608 00:39:49,819 --> 00:39:50,301 general municipal law, et cetera. So I don't— 609 00:39:50,301 --> 00:39:50,446 Thanks. 610 00:39:50,446 --> 00:39:56,057 I don't know if there's any clarification that your team members 611 00:39:56,057 --> 00:39:57,898 might have available. 612 00:39:57,898 --> 00:40:03,771 I, you know, I realize that, yeah, it's very short notice, but, um, 613 00:40:03,771 --> 00:40:08,330 you can see from 7 pages it's, it's pretty thorough. 614 00:40:08,330 --> 00:40:10,492 So let me just, let me just comment. 615 00:40:10,492 --> 00:40:13,495 So there are— we would like, if it's possible, to, 616 00:40:13,495 --> 00:40:15,898 to get the referral to the zoning board. 617 00:40:15,898 --> 00:40:19,201 And the reason why I'm going back to that is there are, 618 00:40:19,201 --> 00:40:24,186 there are a couple of variances that we're clearly going to need that are not going 619 00:40:24,186 --> 00:40:27,910 change as we go through this, you know, setback, for instance. 620 00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:30,552 I think, I think Robert Sherwood, if he can, 621 00:40:30,552 --> 00:40:35,297 can probably talk about the open space because that I know is one item that may 622 00:40:35,297 --> 00:40:35,417 because that I know is one item that may be 623 00:40:35,417 --> 00:40:39,862 up in the air as to whether we need a variance, whether we're asking for a 624 00:40:39,862 --> 00:40:40,282 variance, whether we're asking for a waiver. 625 00:40:40,282 --> 00:40:45,027 So if it's possible, if, you know, if we could just touch on that, on that one, 626 00:40:45,027 --> 00:40:48,571 because if that is somewhat satisfying to you this evening. 627 00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:52,234 I'm hopeful that we can get the referral to the zoning board. 628 00:40:52,234 --> 00:40:57,039 And look, just to be open, it's on the applicant to get a full variance request, 629 00:40:57,039 --> 00:41:01,724 right? If we go to the zoning board with a request for 2 or 3 variances and we 630 00:41:01,724 --> 00:41:06,168 needed 4, let's say it's hypothetical, we're just wasting our own— I mean, 631 00:41:06,168 --> 00:41:09,171 wasting your time, but we're wasting our own time. 632 00:41:09,171 --> 00:41:11,514 We're going to go through this process. 633 00:41:11,514 --> 00:41:15,838 So the onus is on us to make as complete a variance request as possible. 634 00:41:15,838 --> 00:41:20,222 Otherwise, we're going to have to go back there, which is why I, I would— 635 00:41:20,222 --> 00:41:23,105 I'm hopeful we can get that process started now. 636 00:41:23,105 --> 00:41:26,769 But if, if it's okay, if we can speak to the open space item. 637 00:41:26,769 --> 00:41:30,848 Yeah, I mean, if, if we stick our comments strictly to the 638 00:41:30,848 --> 00:41:34,436 questions that were raised, uh, your responses, um, 639 00:41:34,436 --> 00:41:35,983 we can entertain that. 640 00:41:35,983 --> 00:41:39,762 Okay. 641 00:41:42,762 --> 00:41:47,466 Okay, but Jeff, just point of reference, um, 642 00:41:47,466 --> 00:41:52,063 my own opinion is that I don't— is this on? 643 00:41:52,497 --> 00:41:52,625 Yeah. 644 00:41:53,236 --> 00:41:57,056 I don't want to be sending stuff, just as, um, the attorney just said, 645 00:41:57,056 --> 00:42:00,494 I don't want to be sending stuff to the zoning board piecemeal. 646 00:42:00,494 --> 00:42:01,585 And I don't want to— 647 00:42:01,585 --> 00:42:05,678 I don't want to submit anything to the zoning board until the application's 648 00:42:05,678 --> 00:42:06,114 zoning board until the application's complete 649 00:42:06,114 --> 00:42:07,424 to our Yeah, that's all. 650 00:42:08,081 --> 00:42:11,599 Yeah, we just, we just conversed. I think that, that makes sense. 651 00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:15,116 We— let's supplement what we have. And at the next meeting, okay. 652 00:42:15,116 --> 00:42:19,521 I think that's the most efficient way to handle it. 653 00:42:19,521 --> 00:42:26,691 If per chance the project will be amended or in some way changed as a result of the 654 00:42:26,691 --> 00:42:33,256 need for this significant number of variances or whether other variances are 655 00:42:33,256 --> 00:42:39,389 necessary. It would be important to get the actual project as proposed. 656 00:42:39,389 --> 00:42:46,040 And certainly, the inability to get variances would foreclose the opportunity 657 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:46,213 variances would foreclose the opportunity to 658 00:42:46,213 --> 00:42:48,459 come back here to proceed. 659 00:42:48,459 --> 00:42:55,629 So you do want to make sure that there's coordination and that the project is ready 660 00:42:55,629 --> 00:43:02,885 for a public presentation, as you know, is routinely intended for the first meeting. 661 00:43:02,885 --> 00:43:09,882 But in speaking with the acting chair and the board members earlier this evening, 662 00:43:09,882 --> 00:43:16,619 in light of the significance and this list, both site plan and special permit, 663 00:43:16,619 --> 00:43:23,184 we thought it best to provide you the opportunity to supplement to the point 664 00:43:23,184 --> 00:43:23,616 opportunity to supplement to the point where 665 00:43:23,616 --> 00:43:30,527 you can make that presentation and the public can be satisfied that this is what 666 00:43:30,527 --> 00:43:32,600 you're proposing, right? 667 00:43:32,906 --> 00:43:38,191 Yeah. So just a couple of housekeeping items then, since, since we'll go that 668 00:43:38,191 --> 00:43:38,466 items then, since, since we'll go that way. 669 00:43:38,466 --> 00:43:42,516 One is, are the notices to the related agencies and county, 670 00:43:42,516 --> 00:43:48,007 is that going to be held in abeyance till the next meeting? Or is that the time? 671 00:43:48,007 --> 00:43:49,517 Is that going out now? 672 00:43:49,517 --> 00:43:53,630 So there's a notice that goes to Westchester County Planning Board. 673 00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:58,726 But I don't think that goes to them until we declare, uh, declare a public hearing. 674 00:43:58,726 --> 00:44:01,243 So I think that, that wouldn't start— we— 675 00:44:01,243 --> 00:44:05,908 that we wouldn't send it to the West Chester Department of Planning until we 676 00:44:05,908 --> 00:44:06,338 Chester Department of Planning until we declare 677 00:44:06,338 --> 00:44:09,653 when the public hearing is going to be on this matter. 678 00:44:09,653 --> 00:44:10,087 Okay. 679 00:44:10,408 --> 00:44:16,362 Um, I, I'm not aware of what the procedure process is, so it does— it, 680 00:44:16,362 --> 00:44:21,975 it really is incumbent for this to be ready for public Before it's 681 00:44:21,975 --> 00:44:27,419 distributed. I know that the code also requires the transmittal, 682 00:44:27,419 --> 00:44:32,522 and the Board of Trustees, once they add it to their agenda— 683 00:44:32,522 --> 00:44:35,754 and they have an agenda upcoming, Len? 684 00:44:35,754 --> 00:44:36,753 August 19th. 685 00:44:36,753 --> 00:44:40,477 August 19th. Thank you. What day is it? August 19th. 686 00:44:40,477 --> 00:44:44,845 It will appear on their agenda and give them the opportunity, 687 00:44:44,845 --> 00:44:50,503 and the 30 days will run from the date that it appears on their agenda as well. 688 00:44:50,503 --> 00:44:55,516 So I guess I'm, you know, I've known you a long time, Jacob. I'm just— 689 00:44:55,516 --> 00:44:55,886 Yep. 690 00:44:55,886 --> 00:44:58,151 I want to encourage— and Mr. 691 00:44:58,151 --> 00:45:04,138 Cortese, I've advised on other projects at other communities that you were 692 00:45:04,138 --> 00:45:09,154 developing. I just want to make sure that this is the project. 693 00:45:09,154 --> 00:45:14,332 And with so many things missing and being suggested to be added. 694 00:45:14,332 --> 00:45:20,076 I think it would be helpful for the public to know what the project is. 695 00:45:20,076 --> 00:45:21,382 So that makes sense. 696 00:45:21,382 --> 00:45:25,104 So just, just in, in terms of chronology based upon that, 697 00:45:25,104 --> 00:45:30,068 so if we're coming back to this board's next meeting, obviously assuming we, 698 00:45:30,068 --> 00:45:34,639 we have all our ducks in order, um, I know the, the memo from the, uh, 699 00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:38,296 planning consultant was— came out, I think, on the 24th. 700 00:45:38,296 --> 00:45:41,300 So we had to go through that right after that. 701 00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:43,651 I don't know if there's a timing on— 702 00:45:43,651 --> 00:45:47,504 assuming we get everything that we're going to get, I mean, 703 00:45:47,504 --> 00:45:50,443 it's on us to do that as quickly as possible. 704 00:45:50,443 --> 00:45:54,296 Is there a timing on when the consultant can return a memo? 705 00:45:54,296 --> 00:45:57,691 And also, will the next meeting be a public meeting? 706 00:45:57,691 --> 00:46:00,826 Will it be open to the public, a public hearing? 707 00:46:00,826 --> 00:46:02,728 Likely not a public hearing, but Vince, 708 00:46:02,728 --> 00:46:06,631 if you want to talk about the submission of documents and the deadline to submit 709 00:46:06,631 --> 00:46:08,289 documents before the next meeting. 710 00:46:09,037 --> 00:46:11,468 It's usually 15 days before the meeting. 711 00:46:11,468 --> 00:46:13,231 We have 2 meetings per month. 712 00:46:13,231 --> 00:46:17,121 We have a schedule, we can provide that to you. Okay. Like that. 713 00:46:17,786 --> 00:46:17,882 Okay. 714 00:46:18,525 --> 00:46:19,377 So we would envision— 715 00:46:19,377 --> 00:46:23,729 The code says a public presentation is usually the first, 716 00:46:23,729 --> 00:46:25,943 which isn't a public hearing. 717 00:46:25,943 --> 00:46:31,746 But generally, the, the chair has established public comments are available. 718 00:46:31,746 --> 00:46:37,244 But We were reluctant to go with a presentation this evening because the 719 00:46:37,244 --> 00:46:37,854 presentation this evening because the comments 720 00:46:37,854 --> 00:46:41,214 would be based upon sort of incomplete data. 721 00:46:41,214 --> 00:46:46,177 And we want to make sure that public is— we're being transparent. 722 00:46:46,177 --> 00:46:51,827 You're being transparent and that the public knows the project that you're 723 00:46:51,827 --> 00:46:57,401 proposing. And there wasn't really enough information for that to happen. 724 00:46:57,401 --> 00:47:00,226 But I don't think you're necessarily— 725 00:47:00,226 --> 00:47:00,419 No, I'm not. 726 00:47:00,542 --> 00:47:03,990 and I'm not speaking for you, ready to call for a public hearing. 727 00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:04,427 Nope. 728 00:47:04,427 --> 00:47:05,075 You want to— 729 00:47:05,075 --> 00:47:10,869 Yeah. So the document deadline, according to what Vincent said, 15 days. 730 00:47:10,869 --> 00:47:17,307 I believe that would be Friday of this week in order to get it submitted for our 731 00:47:17,307 --> 00:47:22,457 next regularly scheduled meeting. That's aggressive, understand. 732 00:47:22,457 --> 00:47:28,171 But, you know, if we can have some, some solid responses at that point, 733 00:47:28,171 --> 00:47:30,665 And can put this on the agenda. 734 00:47:30,665 --> 00:47:36,218 Potentially we can have the presentation, presentation at that point, 735 00:47:36,218 --> 00:47:41,368 and then potentially the public hearing thereafter. Okay, great. 736 00:47:41,368 --> 00:47:43,702 All right, I think that's it. 737 00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:44,104 That's it. 738 00:47:44,152 --> 00:47:44,618 Thank you, guys. 739 00:47:45,052 --> 00:47:48,901 All right, so anything else that you guys want to add based on what you heard here 740 00:47:48,901 --> 00:47:49,230 so far? 741 00:47:49,230 --> 00:47:52,063 Last call for the consultants. Any questions? 742 00:47:52,063 --> 00:47:55,714 There's a whole group behind me that are itching to speak. 743 00:47:55,714 --> 00:47:59,649 There are a lot of questions in here, but we understand the timing is— 744 00:47:59,649 --> 00:48:06,394 I have one very basic question. Is the plan for these to be for sale or for rent? 745 00:48:06,394 --> 00:48:09,516 We're still undecided on that, but— 746 00:48:09,516 --> 00:48:11,506 Okay, fair enough. 747 00:48:11,506 --> 00:48:13,540 Probably for rent, but we'll— 748 00:48:13,540 --> 00:48:14,410 A little louder, please. 749 00:48:14,410 --> 00:48:16,940 Probably for rent, but we're still not 100% certain. 750 00:48:16,940 --> 00:48:17,375 Thank you. 751 00:48:17,375 --> 00:48:18,035 Okay. 752 00:48:18,035 --> 00:48:23,904 So I do have several questions having gone through the documentation, 753 00:48:23,904 --> 00:48:30,199 the supporting documentation for water supply and sewer and parking, etc., 754 00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:30,880 supply and sewer and parking, etc., traffic, 755 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,347 etc., if you'll bear with me. 756 00:48:33,347 --> 00:48:39,471 So referring to the supporting documentation about the preliminary water 757 00:48:39,471 --> 00:48:40,407 documentation about the preliminary water engineering 758 00:48:40,407 --> 00:48:46,106 report, page 3.0, On that document, on the very bottom of the page. 759 00:48:46,106 --> 00:48:52,401 Based on the testing of the existing 6-inch water main on South Riverside, 760 00:48:52,401 --> 00:48:55,974 can supply domestic needs to the projects. 761 00:48:55,974 --> 00:49:01,248 In other words, we got a 6-inch water main on South Riverside. 762 00:49:01,248 --> 00:49:02,248 Mm-hmm. 763 00:49:02,248 --> 00:49:07,874 However, fire flow, fire flow at the 6-inch water main provides less than 764 00:49:07,874 --> 00:49:12,651 specification required for fire protection. Water flow demand. 765 00:49:12,651 --> 00:49:16,813 So then I mentioned we got 2— we got a couple options. 766 00:49:16,813 --> 00:49:21,205 One is to build an on-site water storage and pump system. 767 00:49:21,205 --> 00:49:27,447 And the other is if we're able to bring down a water connection from Wayne Street 768 00:49:27,447 --> 00:49:30,761 that would supply— potentially supply this. 769 00:49:31,931 --> 00:49:32,223 That— 770 00:49:32,256 --> 00:49:35,875 Vince, you might be able to speak to the status of that, 771 00:49:35,875 --> 00:49:37,749 but I think that easement is— 772 00:49:37,749 --> 00:49:38,107 Yes. 773 00:49:38,462 --> 00:49:41,506 been under discussion for quite a while. 774 00:49:41,506 --> 00:49:46,301 And I think we may continue to be under discussion for a while. 775 00:49:46,301 --> 00:49:52,390 We may want to consider the water storage and pump system on site to be a pretty 776 00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:56,576 good likelihood that how we might have to support this. 777 00:49:56,576 --> 00:50:00,686 Yes, currently our design does have the pump and tank system. 778 00:50:01,075 --> 00:50:03,488 Yeah. Anything you want to add to that, Vince? 779 00:50:05,179 --> 00:50:09,464 No, still in the works, that easement language for Waterman. 780 00:50:09,464 --> 00:50:13,170 So that's— and any other members, 781 00:50:13,170 --> 00:50:16,314 you guys have any questions, 782 00:50:16,314 --> 00:50:21,030 feel free to jump in while I'm doing this. 783 00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:25,671 I had one— I'm sorry, one quick question for Bill, actually, 784 00:50:25,671 --> 00:50:30,777 going back to your memo on item 7 under design design regulations. 785 00:50:30,777 --> 00:50:36,579 Um, why wouldn't that trigger an additional zoning variance as opposed to a 786 00:50:36,579 --> 00:50:38,977 waiver from the planning board? 787 00:50:38,977 --> 00:50:41,487 If these are in the— um, 788 00:50:41,487 --> 00:50:45,880 it depends on if it's in the code for, um, 789 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:50,796 or if it's a special permit requirement, right? 790 00:50:50,796 --> 00:50:56,026 Number 7, this is regarding the, the sizes, right? 791 00:50:56,887 --> 00:51:00,339 Off-street parking placement design, that one under design regulations. 792 00:51:00,339 --> 00:51:04,790 Oh, under design. I'm sorry, I thought you said 7, right? Under design. 793 00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:06,295 So number 8 then, right? 794 00:51:06,295 --> 00:51:07,969 I'm asking about number 7, Bill. 795 00:51:09,953 --> 00:51:10,697 On page 3. 796 00:51:10,697 --> 00:51:11,733 On page 3. 797 00:51:11,879 --> 00:51:16,119 3 of 7. Design regulations has a 7 right there. 798 00:51:17,058 --> 00:51:19,613 All right. Oh, got it. 799 00:51:20,318 --> 00:51:21,007 Oh my goodness. 800 00:51:21,138 --> 00:51:21,646 Sorry about that. 801 00:51:21,870 --> 00:51:25,209 I don't know why that happened. So, okay, so, uh, number 7. 802 00:51:25,209 --> 00:51:28,377 Um, so the proposed spot does not meet this requirement, 803 00:51:28,377 --> 00:51:32,791 is seeking a waiver from the planning board per— so I'm assuming that this is, 804 00:51:32,791 --> 00:51:32,961 board per— so I'm assuming that this is, uh, 805 00:51:32,961 --> 00:51:35,847 when we talk about waivers from the planning board, 806 00:51:35,847 --> 00:51:37,940 that is a special permit requirement. 807 00:51:37,940 --> 00:51:42,467 Um, but again, we can get clarification on that. So it's a good question, Steve. 808 00:51:42,467 --> 00:51:46,824 I, again, I can look it up in the code and we'd talk with the applicant on on 809 00:51:46,824 --> 00:51:50,559 seeking a waiver from that parking off-street parking requirement. 810 00:51:50,607 --> 00:51:54,746 So yeah, if I may, I can chime in also to that. 811 00:51:54,746 --> 00:51:58,974 You'll notice in the code provisions, and again, 812 00:51:58,974 --> 00:52:06,019 I put Article 10 in its entirety in the memo that we'll be uploading for special 813 00:52:06,019 --> 00:52:11,479 permits, you're permitted to waive from that list of criteria. 814 00:52:11,479 --> 00:52:18,525 But Anything that needs a variance from an actual dimensional requirement in the 815 00:52:18,525 --> 00:52:25,659 code, in the zoning code itself, would need to go to the Zoning Board of Appeals. 816 00:52:25,659 --> 00:52:31,471 So you can waive certain items in, in the special permit criteria, 817 00:52:31,471 --> 00:52:38,164 but you cannot waive requirements that are actually part of the zoning code. 818 00:52:38,164 --> 00:52:44,329 code itself. So a dimensional requirement, minimum number requirement, 819 00:52:44,329 --> 00:52:48,557 those need to go to the Zoning Board of Appeals. 820 00:52:48,557 --> 00:52:55,426 So those are not available to be waived, only available as a variance process. 821 00:52:55,426 --> 00:53:01,703 So it is under our purview and not the zoning board? 822 00:53:01,832 --> 00:53:06,181 Is that correct? Okay, a waiver is Specifically yours. 823 00:53:06,391 --> 00:53:08,236 Okay. Thank you. 824 00:53:08,236 --> 00:53:11,312 It's more of a, you know, every site's different. 825 00:53:11,312 --> 00:53:14,075 You know, where is this going to be located? 826 00:53:14,075 --> 00:53:19,348 The code, the special permit requirements talk about having them in the side and the 827 00:53:19,348 --> 00:53:19,662 rear. 828 00:53:20,598 --> 00:53:21,849 But because the site is different, 829 00:53:21,849 --> 00:53:24,719 then just don't want to send the applicant to the wrong board for an approval. 830 00:53:24,966 --> 00:53:25,377 Right? 831 00:53:25,854 --> 00:53:26,199 Thank you. 832 00:53:26,199 --> 00:53:27,284 That's a waiver. 833 00:53:27,284 --> 00:53:33,491 One last question. Go ahead, John. Is the building going to be steel or wood? 834 00:53:33,491 --> 00:53:37,324 It's going to be steel on the first floor 835 00:53:37,324 --> 00:53:39,287 deck, concrete floor, 836 00:53:39,287 --> 00:53:41,717 and then wood frame above. 837 00:53:41,717 --> 00:53:48,238 Okay, so I'm going to move on to the school analysis and 838 00:53:48,238 --> 00:53:50,800 schools impact report. 839 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,924 So page 2 has an inconsistency in the table. 840 00:53:55,924 --> 00:54:02,795 When we talk about the, uh, low point of enrollment at, uh, 841 00:54:02,795 --> 00:54:09,084 Groton-Harmon schools being 2021— 2020-2021— of 1,394, 842 00:54:09,084 --> 00:54:15,139 table below it has a different number for that year. 843 00:54:15,139 --> 00:54:18,982 So there's just an inconsistency. 844 00:54:18,982 --> 00:54:23,990 I'm not sure which number is correct there. 845 00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:25,568 Typo. 846 00:54:28,568 --> 00:54:34,900 Yeah. A lot of work went into this report describing the cost to educate a student 847 00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:41,001 and how many students are expected and how much revenue would be generated, um, 848 00:54:41,001 --> 00:54:46,870 how much, how much tax revenue would be generated to the school district and 849 00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:47,410 generated to the school district and whether 850 00:54:47,410 --> 00:54:52,121 that would essentially cover the cost of adding new students. 851 00:54:52,121 --> 00:54:55,905 So That's, you know, really valuable information. 852 00:54:55,905 --> 00:55:02,160 It's based on what we expect will be the assessed value of the apartment complex, 853 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:07,488 and it would be nice to get a more accurate number of these potential 854 00:55:07,488 --> 00:55:08,106 accurate number of these potential assessed 855 00:55:08,106 --> 00:55:13,512 values so we can determine how accurate or not these figures might be. 856 00:55:13,512 --> 00:55:19,767 In other words, whether the additional students will be covered by the additional 857 00:55:19,767 --> 00:55:23,628 tax revenue, uh, generated to the school district. 858 00:55:23,628 --> 00:55:27,875 I don't know how we can— if we can get any sort of, uh, 859 00:55:27,875 --> 00:55:32,277 preliminary estimate on what the assessed value might be. 860 00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:38,128 Um, if we don't have an assessor— 861 00:55:38,224 --> 00:55:42,663 yeah, the town handles that. So you're— 862 00:55:42,663 --> 00:55:45,580 Bill, how have you guys handled that in other applications? 863 00:55:45,580 --> 00:55:46,865 you've been involved with? 864 00:55:46,865 --> 00:55:49,560 Yeah, I guess we could work with the town again. 865 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:54,165 Again, work— it's often we have them— if the town does the assessment assessments, 866 00:55:54,165 --> 00:55:57,646 right? It's, uh, trying to get a preliminary number from them. 867 00:55:57,743 --> 00:56:02,375 So that would be helpful. Yeah, maybe you guys could pursue that. Yeah, thank you. 868 00:56:02,375 --> 00:56:04,992 Yeah, I mean, based on the preliminary estimate, 869 00:56:04,992 --> 00:56:09,518 the tax revenue that we generated for the school district would more than cover the 870 00:56:09,518 --> 00:56:12,626 additional students who will be coming into the District, 871 00:56:12,626 --> 00:56:15,843 or expected number of students. Yep, which is a good thing. 872 00:56:15,843 --> 00:56:17,717 Um, good point, Jeff. 873 00:56:17,717 --> 00:56:24,713 So wherever we can show math in, in these tables is, is really helpful. 874 00:56:24,713 --> 00:56:31,412 So that's the school report. Uh, let's move on to the traffic study. 875 00:56:31,412 --> 00:56:35,748 Um, this is going to be a— just so you know, 876 00:56:35,748 --> 00:56:43,531 it's going to be a point of focus for us. There's It's a busy part of our town. 877 00:56:43,531 --> 00:56:49,542 What's unaddressed in this traffic study is Blaze, the Blaze, 878 00:56:49,542 --> 00:56:57,621 the Historic Hudson Valley's event that takes place for about 45 days in the fall. 879 00:56:57,621 --> 00:57:00,027 And it runs for 10 weeks. 880 00:57:00,027 --> 00:57:05,202 Yeah, if you've been down there, it is It is a crowded scene. 881 00:57:05,202 --> 00:57:11,309 We'd need some sort of at least acknowledgement that that's there and is 882 00:57:11,309 --> 00:57:12,073 acknowledgement that that's there and is an issue, 883 00:57:12,073 --> 00:57:17,332 and then a sense about how it you can potentially mitigate it. 884 00:57:17,332 --> 00:57:23,949 You're going to have residents that are trying to get home after a workday and 885 00:57:23,949 --> 00:57:24,373 trying to get home after a workday and stuck 886 00:57:24,373 --> 00:57:29,802 in a line with people who are going into historic Hudson Valley. 887 00:57:29,802 --> 00:57:31,498 Van Cortlandt Manor. 888 00:57:31,498 --> 00:57:36,503 So it would be good to have some thought put into that and, 889 00:57:36,503 --> 00:57:39,218 and how that could be mitigated. 890 00:57:39,218 --> 00:57:45,834 Um, right across— and there was a really thoughtful letter to the Gazette that 891 00:57:45,834 --> 00:57:47,531 someone wrote about— 892 00:57:47,531 --> 00:57:54,656 right across from the building that you're proposing is a driveway that goes down to 893 00:57:54,656 --> 00:57:58,049 ShopRite that is not for pedestrian use. 894 00:57:58,049 --> 00:58:02,376 Um, when the ShopRite— when the plaza was modified, 895 00:58:02,376 --> 00:58:07,465 they put the ADA access on the far side of that parking lot. 896 00:58:07,465 --> 00:58:11,452 In other words, closest to Van Cortlandt Manor. 897 00:58:11,452 --> 00:58:16,796 So that is the preferred way that people are supposed to enter— 898 00:58:16,796 --> 00:58:23,243 pedestrians are supposed to enter ShopRite, to walk all the way down. Nobody 899 00:58:23,243 --> 00:58:23,667 ShopRite, to walk all the way down. Nobody does. 900 00:58:23,667 --> 00:58:30,623 Instead, everybody walks down this ramp. It's two-way traffic and it's very tight. 901 00:58:30,623 --> 00:58:35,374 Especially if people are lugging groceries up that hill. 902 00:58:35,374 --> 00:58:42,330 And your— that pedestrian walkway from the apartment complex leads directly across 903 00:58:42,330 --> 00:58:48,522 the street to that ramp that is not pedestrian-friendly and not meant for 904 00:58:48,522 --> 00:58:55,139 pedestrians. So presumably it would add some pedestrian traffic of people that 905 00:58:55,139 --> 00:58:55,478 some pedestrian traffic of people that want 906 00:58:55,478 --> 00:58:58,192 to pick up some quick groceries. 907 00:58:58,192 --> 00:59:02,604 Want to run down, walk down there, grab some things. 908 00:59:02,604 --> 00:59:08,372 Um, it's something that needs— I'd love to give it some thought and, 909 00:59:08,372 --> 00:59:12,104 and how that could potentially be addressed. 910 00:59:12,104 --> 00:59:18,891 Obviously, this is not on your property. This is ShopRite owner's, uh, property. 911 00:59:18,891 --> 00:59:24,235 But if there's a way to address that as part of this, you know, 912 00:59:24,235 --> 00:59:30,427 that would be wonderful. We could put some, some thought into that. Okay. 913 00:59:30,427 --> 00:59:36,704 Yeah, the number of trips that are expected to be generated is a result of 914 00:59:36,704 --> 00:59:37,383 expected to be generated is a result of the is a 915 00:59:37,383 --> 00:59:40,098 result of the apartment complex. 916 00:59:40,098 --> 00:59:44,763 We've got the numbers are generated, I think, based on. 917 00:59:44,763 --> 00:59:49,429 A table that comes from, I believe, Rutgers University, 918 00:59:49,429 --> 00:59:53,246 which provides data to all planning entities. 919 00:59:53,246 --> 00:59:59,608 That is a table that says if it's an apartment complex with 30 to 50 units, 920 00:59:59,608 --> 01:00:05,970 the number of average trips is X. So that's where these numbers are derived 921 01:00:05,970 --> 01:00:06,394 that's where these numbers are derived from. 922 01:00:06,394 --> 01:00:11,399 It would be. Desirable if we could instead, or in addition, 923 01:00:11,399 --> 01:00:18,016 use numbers that refer to apartment complexes we've just built here in Croton. 924 01:00:18,016 --> 01:00:21,748 It might be a more like-for-like comparison, 925 01:00:21,748 --> 01:00:27,856 which would be Maple Commons and North Riverside. Is it— is it 425 North 926 01:00:27,856 --> 01:00:28,704 Riverside. Is it— is it 425 North Riverside? 927 01:00:28,704 --> 01:00:28,977 Yeah. 928 01:00:28,977 --> 01:00:32,957 25 North Riverside, which is Still being occupied. 929 01:00:32,957 --> 01:00:35,823 However, for both of those projects, 930 01:00:35,823 --> 01:00:41,316 and even for one Chrome Point Avenue for that point, for that matter, 931 01:00:41,316 --> 01:00:47,844 estimates were provided that said here's what we expect to be our estimated number 932 01:00:47,844 --> 01:00:54,292 of trips. And if we can incorporate those three residential units into the study, 933 01:00:54,292 --> 01:00:59,864 obviously some have more units, some have less, or they all have more. 934 01:00:59,864 --> 01:01:04,800 Well, Maple Commons has less, and we could adjust accordingly. 935 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,542 But it's good to do a like-for-like comparison. 936 01:01:08,542 --> 01:01:11,885 I think, Steve, you're at the Westchester— 937 01:01:11,885 --> 01:01:18,174 the Pace University Land Use Law Center meeting where some of the planners said 938 01:01:18,174 --> 01:01:18,492 meeting where some of the planners said it's 939 01:01:18,492 --> 01:01:24,781 best to use as a point of reference local projects as opposed to some table The 940 01:01:24,781 --> 01:01:31,309 addresses you just threw out, were one of them, uh, the Baked by Susan apartments? 941 01:01:32,016 --> 01:01:35,589 Because there's 8 or 10 units there that could be studied. 942 01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:37,683 People coming in and out of there, 943 01:01:37,683 --> 01:01:41,810 that might be comparable in terms of geography and the demographic. 944 01:01:41,810 --> 01:01:48,628 Possibly, possibly. But something that kind of fleshes out this data is kind of 945 01:01:48,628 --> 01:01:48,973 kind of fleshes out this data is kind of what 946 01:01:48,973 --> 01:01:53,892 we're looking for, that uses some of our local buildings. 947 01:01:53,892 --> 01:01:57,085 Okay, uh, I think that's it for that. 948 01:01:57,085 --> 01:02:01,918 And all right, so community benefits was, uh, kind of a— 949 01:02:01,918 --> 01:02:05,801 the summary of all these other documents, um, 950 01:02:05,801 --> 01:02:12,619 in terms of what the complex would bring to the community, property taxes, etc. 951 01:02:12,619 --> 01:02:18,746 And, um, again, it's based on projected assessed value of the building. 952 01:02:18,746 --> 01:02:20,472 If there's a way to, 953 01:02:20,472 --> 01:02:27,376 to get a number that we feel is a little bit more accurate or dialed in to drive 954 01:02:27,376 --> 01:02:30,741 these numbers, that would be desirable. 955 01:02:30,741 --> 01:02:36,092 And I don't know, Bill, if that's something you can help with. 956 01:02:36,092 --> 01:02:38,967 Definitely, yes. 957 01:02:38,967 --> 01:02:44,185 Because, you know, we've got it generating a fair amount of taxable 958 01:02:44,185 --> 01:02:47,222 revenue for both The town, the village, 959 01:02:47,222 --> 01:02:50,181 and the schools in Westchester County. 960 01:02:50,181 --> 01:02:53,697 Just if I can chime in, please. 961 01:02:53,697 --> 01:02:58,347 It, it isn't a use that you can regulate. 962 01:02:58,347 --> 01:03:05,039 But if these were offered for sale in a condominium format, 963 01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:12,298 the assessment is based upon a different formula or calculation. 964 01:03:12,298 --> 01:03:19,897 So you might want to look at ownership under a condominium formula. 965 01:03:19,897 --> 01:03:26,929 Those assessments are much different than a multifamily rental 966 01:03:26,929 --> 01:03:27,950 property. 967 01:03:27,950 --> 01:03:29,033 Yep, great point. 968 01:03:29,033 --> 01:03:30,563 Also, we can— we, you know, 969 01:03:30,563 --> 01:03:35,325 we have done a pro forma based on the rent roll that would generate the value of the 970 01:03:35,325 --> 01:03:39,916 building also. So maybe we can have a An appraiser look at it just to get a value 971 01:03:39,916 --> 01:03:40,030 appraiser look at it just to get a value of 972 01:03:40,030 --> 01:03:44,168 what they think its projection would be, and then talk to the assessment— 973 01:03:44,168 --> 01:03:45,188 the town assessor. 974 01:03:45,188 --> 01:03:50,246 Yeah, as much coordination and cooperation between 975 01:03:50,246 --> 01:03:55,203 the applicant and the consultants is appreciated. 976 01:03:55,203 --> 01:03:57,052 Absolutely. 977 01:03:57,052 --> 01:04:02,141 Okay, I think that's all I have for the documents. 978 01:04:02,141 --> 01:04:09,163 Anybody else from the planning board have questions that they want to 979 01:04:09,163 --> 01:04:11,199 add to the mix here? 980 01:04:12,970 --> 01:04:13,227 They don't. 981 01:04:13,227 --> 01:04:17,773 Just one comment regarding the traffic— 982 01:04:17,773 --> 01:04:20,359 speak into the microphone. 983 01:04:20,472 --> 01:04:22,797 Yeah, regarding traffic study, 984 01:04:22,797 --> 01:04:28,998 I think should be more comprehensive to traffic flow through the South Riverside 985 01:04:28,998 --> 01:04:30,859 Avenue and Croton Point. 986 01:04:30,859 --> 01:04:35,509 Where, you know, you're gonna have Lot A gonna be developed. 987 01:04:35,509 --> 01:04:41,633 Maybe that traffic study can be expanded, show how much impact it's gonna have. 988 01:04:41,633 --> 01:04:44,717 Okay, the cumulative— 989 01:04:45,217 --> 01:04:47,571 yes, accumulate time into the other projects, right? 990 01:04:47,861 --> 01:04:50,322 Yeah. 991 01:04:51,481 --> 01:04:52,832 Okay, Vincent, do you have anything? 992 01:04:52,832 --> 01:04:54,119 Not at this time. 993 01:04:56,364 --> 01:05:00,653 So I think that's where we are for tonight, uh, for this agenda item, um, 994 01:05:00,653 --> 01:05:04,237 unless there's anything else or questions that you guys have. 995 01:05:04,237 --> 01:05:05,635 Um, I have one question. 996 01:05:05,635 --> 01:05:10,355 In the event we come back with all our, you know, responses to your comments, uh, 997 01:05:10,355 --> 01:05:13,792 will our professionals be heard at the next meeting, or is— 998 01:05:15,661 --> 01:05:21,797 will the presentation be heard at the next meeting? Um, What's your sense, Laura? 999 01:05:21,958 --> 01:05:24,913 I think it's highly likely that if, 1000 01:05:24,913 --> 01:05:30,570 if we can get clarifications and answers to comments and questions, 1001 01:05:30,570 --> 01:05:35,974 that the board certainly would entertain a project presentation. 1002 01:05:36,327 --> 01:05:36,568 Yeah. 1003 01:05:36,889 --> 01:05:37,001 Okay. 1004 01:05:37,001 --> 01:05:40,698 I think that's something once we get our responses to you, 1005 01:05:40,698 --> 01:05:45,988 probably the planning consultant and the village attorney in our office can sort of 1006 01:05:45,988 --> 01:05:50,960 have a conversation so we know, I mean, that there's a comfort level for that, 1007 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:51,342 right? 1008 01:05:51,342 --> 01:05:54,166 Like you said, the list of questions will shrink, will shrink, 1009 01:05:54,166 --> 01:05:55,943 and we'll focus on certain ones, right? 1010 01:05:55,943 --> 01:05:56,655 Yeah. 1011 01:05:56,736 --> 01:05:58,351 And, you know, again, 1012 01:05:58,351 --> 01:06:02,041 the village engineer is really the intake point. 1013 01:06:02,041 --> 01:06:06,962 So, you know, keeping the lines of communication open is always— 1014 01:06:07,155 --> 01:06:08,572 everyone's gonna, everyone's gonna be on. 1015 01:06:08,847 --> 01:06:15,160 Thank you. I'm standing in for the planning board attorney for this evening, 1016 01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:21,640 but we confer daily. So, you know, she probably is even watching this evening. 1017 01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:27,122 But, you know, we'll do what we can to move this to streamline it. 1018 01:06:27,122 --> 01:06:29,697 The opportunity exists in here. 1019 01:06:29,697 --> 01:06:35,927 As you know, the opportunity exists in Article 10 for you to streamline the 1020 01:06:35,927 --> 01:06:36,509 Article 10 for you to streamline the process 1021 01:06:36,509 --> 01:06:42,988 and look at the site development plan simultaneously with the requirements for 1022 01:06:42,988 --> 01:06:49,883 Article 11. So we would like to see that happen. And that would be to your benefit. 1023 01:06:49,883 --> 01:06:56,778 So that's why this memo covered both the site development plan and also the special 1024 01:06:56,778 --> 01:06:57,359 permit. 1025 01:06:57,488 --> 01:06:59,842 So, great. 1026 01:06:59,842 --> 01:07:02,003 All right, gentlemen, thank you. Thank you. 1027 01:07:02,100 --> 01:07:02,358 Thank you. 1028 01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:03,928 Appreciate it. 1029 01:07:06,928 --> 01:07:10,066 Okay, we're going to move on to our next agenda item. 1030 01:07:10,066 --> 01:07:12,198 And Rob, if you'd like to rejoin us. 1031 01:07:12,198 --> 01:07:18,681 Good job, 1032 01:07:18,681 --> 01:07:23,002 Geoff. 1033 01:07:23,002 --> 01:07:28,045 Is that 1034 01:07:28,045 --> 01:07:31,646 weird 1035 01:07:31,646 --> 01:07:40,290 sitting back 1036 01:07:40,290 --> 01:07:44,611 there? 1037 01:07:44,611 --> 01:07:53,255 I've had the 1038 01:07:53,255 --> 01:08:00,458 experience 1039 01:08:00,458 --> 01:08:05,500 myself. 1040 01:08:07,420 --> 01:08:14,299 So I think they just went through and— I can hear you guys pretty well. 1041 01:08:14,526 --> 01:08:17,370 Good. 1042 01:08:20,370 --> 01:08:25,661 Get the mic a little bit closer to Mr. Cortese. He was hard to hear a little bit. 1043 01:08:25,661 --> 01:08:27,033 He's a little soft-spoken. 1044 01:08:27,033 --> 01:08:27,500 Right. 1045 01:08:27,581 --> 01:08:28,291 Yeah. 1046 01:08:28,388 --> 01:08:28,710 Which— 1047 01:08:29,533 --> 01:08:31,594 something like this from the early '70s. 1048 01:08:31,835 --> 01:08:35,648 I wish they gave the same big note here saying, look, it's like— 1049 01:08:36,034 --> 01:08:37,305 what the heck's that? 1050 01:08:38,242 --> 01:08:42,211 Print out the memo and cross it out. 1051 01:08:42,211 --> 01:09:01,308 Mics are still on. I'm just saying. 1052 01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:24,872 We're in the middle of a meeting. 1053 01:09:27,872 --> 01:09:34,638 All right, so we're going to move on to our next agenda item. 1054 01:09:34,638 --> 01:09:41,958 It's a referral from the Village Board of Trustees to review Local 1055 01:09:41,958 --> 01:09:46,949 Law Introductory 10 of 2026, the CAF and EAF, 1056 01:09:46,949 --> 01:09:54,381 to amend Chapter 230 zoning of the Village Code that seeks to amend 1057 01:09:54,381 --> 01:10:01,590 the text of Chapter 230 zoning to provide clarification as to the 1058 01:10:01,590 --> 01:10:06,803 harboring or keeping of animals in the village. 1059 01:10:06,803 --> 01:10:11,905 You guys, anybody take a look at this one yet? 1060 01:10:11,905 --> 01:10:12,829 Yeah, I have. 1061 01:10:12,975 --> 01:10:13,218 Okay. 1062 01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:20,166 So this does have a short environmental assessment form. 1063 01:10:20,166 --> 01:10:26,345 It has a coastal assessment form, which are largely blank, and appropriately so, 1064 01:10:26,345 --> 01:10:32,679 because there's just really no impact. So there's really not much to review there. 1065 01:10:32,679 --> 01:10:38,859 The law itself, the changes themselves, has to do with fowl— definition of fowl, 1066 01:10:38,859 --> 01:10:41,485 I think, is where it started from. 1067 01:10:41,485 --> 01:10:42,093 Right. 1068 01:10:42,093 --> 01:10:46,180 And along the way, we clarified a few things. 1069 01:10:46,180 --> 01:10:52,901 Most prominently, the keeping of roosters and pigeons shall be prohibited. 1070 01:10:52,901 --> 01:10:58,441 Where I don't believe that was spelled out in a previous law. 1071 01:10:58,441 --> 01:11:04,254 So that might be one of the bigger changes that's involved here. 1072 01:11:04,254 --> 01:11:09,167 Okay, seems to me like a prudent 1073 01:11:09,167 --> 01:11:14,387 thing. And we're referred to it to 1074 01:11:14,387 --> 01:11:20,221 refer it back, or are we taking action 1075 01:11:20,221 --> 01:11:21,142 on it? 1076 01:11:21,682 --> 01:11:24,463 Yeah, they're asking for comments if you have any. 1077 01:11:24,591 --> 01:11:31,182 Okay. Um, I mean, I think that this has been added to the use provisions. 1078 01:11:31,327 --> 01:11:35,128 So it's clear what's permitted in what zones. 1079 01:11:35,128 --> 01:11:41,548 It's also clear the number of animals, minimum lot size for certain animals. 1080 01:11:41,548 --> 01:11:45,519 So they, they did— I can speak from experience. 1081 01:11:45,519 --> 01:11:50,925 And I can get a nod from our 2 trustees in the, in the audience. 1082 01:11:50,925 --> 01:11:55,655 They, they looked at this many ways on how to handle it. 1083 01:11:55,655 --> 01:12:02,413 And they thought it best that we drafted it at their suggestion to include it in 1084 01:12:02,413 --> 01:12:02,667 it at their suggestion to include it in the 1085 01:12:02,667 --> 01:12:07,651 use provisions. So it's going to be included in this table. 1086 01:12:07,651 --> 01:12:13,986 So everyone's clear, it's clarified what's permitted, what's not permitted. 1087 01:12:13,986 --> 01:12:15,226 Mm-hmm. 1088 01:12:18,226 --> 01:12:24,929 I would point out that in— if you look at the setback that's required for, say, 1089 01:12:24,929 --> 01:12:28,153 somebody wants to have a chicken coop, 1090 01:12:28,153 --> 01:12:34,092 it says that shall be penned or housed within 50 feet of any lot line. 1091 01:12:34,092 --> 01:12:39,861 And on my particular house, I'm in— not sure if I'm in RA-5 or RA-9, 1092 01:12:39,861 --> 01:12:41,728 or the smaller one is. 1093 01:12:41,728 --> 01:12:41,889 RA-5. 1094 01:12:42,172 --> 01:12:42,910 5, I think. 1095 01:12:42,910 --> 01:12:48,685 5. I can't really have a chicken coop. Because I have a fairly standard lot. 1096 01:12:48,685 --> 01:12:53,853 It's narrow. I can only have it exactly in the middle, which really, 1097 01:12:53,853 --> 01:12:59,856 even with the 50 feet, probably doesn't work because the chicken coop is wider. 1098 01:12:59,856 --> 01:13:05,935 I would just like to, on the record, note that I can have an ADU on my property, 1099 01:13:05,935 --> 01:13:12,090 but I can't have a chicken coop. I think there's some inconsistency to that rule. 1100 01:13:12,090 --> 01:13:16,878 I'm not opposing the chicken coop, not suggesting we change it. 1101 01:13:16,878 --> 01:13:21,209 It's just an inconsistency with our thinking. That's all. 1102 01:13:21,209 --> 01:13:23,844 Is there— 1103 01:13:24,150 --> 01:13:29,746 well, I think we can include that on as a recommendation back to the Village Board 1104 01:13:29,746 --> 01:13:30,565 of Trustees. 1105 01:13:30,565 --> 01:13:33,162 I'd like to review that provision. 1106 01:13:33,763 --> 01:13:34,022 Thank you. 1107 01:13:34,710 --> 01:13:35,802 Public aware of this? 1108 01:13:36,749 --> 01:13:41,970 Yes, it's, it's part of our agenda, so it's posted on the village website. 1109 01:13:41,970 --> 01:13:47,867 And the, and the Board of Trustees has been discussing it, um, of course, uh, 1110 01:13:47,867 --> 01:13:53,841 at multiple, um, work sessions and then also on the agenda for its referral to 1111 01:13:53,841 --> 01:13:54,147 also on the agenda for its referral to you. 1112 01:13:54,147 --> 01:13:55,832 So yes, the public is— 1113 01:13:55,832 --> 01:14:00,810 Feedback, letters coming in saying that the support chicken Like that, 1114 01:14:00,810 --> 01:14:02,659 or don't support chickens? 1115 01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:06,146 I'm not aware of— I'm not aware of that. 1116 01:14:06,146 --> 01:14:08,717 Um, hasn't been scheduled for public hearing yet. 1117 01:14:08,717 --> 01:14:09,697 What's that? 1118 01:14:10,581 --> 01:14:11,866 Okay. 1119 01:14:11,866 --> 01:14:13,698 Yeah, yeah, they're, they, 1120 01:14:13,698 --> 01:14:19,125 they're collecting comments in advance of scheduling it for a public hearing. 1121 01:14:19,125 --> 01:14:20,887 So at the public hearing, 1122 01:14:20,887 --> 01:14:26,666 it's possible that members of the public would weigh in or send letters or Support 1123 01:14:26,666 --> 01:14:28,040 or otherwise. 1124 01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:35,529 I don't have chickens, just so you know. I don't have chickens. 1125 01:14:35,529 --> 01:14:39,661 A friend of mine does, and I follow him around that field. 1126 01:14:39,661 --> 01:14:44,293 He doesn't have a rooster. He gets eggs from the chickens anyway. 1127 01:14:44,293 --> 01:14:49,209 So it's a matter of I have to feed my family. Shouldn't be a problem. 1128 01:14:49,209 --> 01:14:50,950 Right. 1129 01:14:52,162 --> 01:14:55,232 Have to wait for answers to come in. Maybe people have different thoughts. 1130 01:14:55,232 --> 01:14:55,955 Yeah. 1131 01:14:57,305 --> 01:15:00,520 Oh, my, my parents, when they lived in a larger property, 1132 01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,960 had chickens on the property, and they didn't have a rooster. 1133 01:15:04,399 --> 01:15:05,717 They got plenty of eggs, right? 1134 01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:10,949 That's great. Nothing like a farm-fresh egg. 1135 01:15:10,949 --> 01:15:15,496 Really fun to follow you around. You can pick out each one. 1136 01:15:15,496 --> 01:15:18,656 One's the boss, and the other follow him. 1137 01:15:18,656 --> 01:15:24,051 It's going to take off that way, but they don't make any noise, right? 1138 01:15:24,051 --> 01:15:27,665 All right, so any, any other thoughts? 1139 01:15:27,665 --> 01:15:34,132 Okay, so I think what we can, um, include a note about the, the, uh, 1140 01:15:34,132 --> 01:15:40,218 setbacks for chicken coops and specifically in versus an ADU and 1141 01:15:40,218 --> 01:15:41,359 specifically in versus an ADU and specifically 1142 01:15:41,359 --> 01:15:46,019 on, uh, You know, smaller properties within RA-5. 1143 01:15:46,019 --> 01:15:53,247 RA-5, I think it'd be hard to achieve that setback. Yeah, if not impossible. 1144 01:15:53,568 --> 01:15:55,392 RA-5 is the 25 feet. 1145 01:15:56,639 --> 01:15:57,611 It says 25 feet. 1146 01:15:57,611 --> 01:16:01,762 And then all other districts is 50 1147 01:16:01,762 --> 01:16:05,668 feet. RA-5 in the middle, right? 1148 01:16:05,732 --> 01:16:06,878 Because the 50-foot lot. 1149 01:16:06,991 --> 01:16:07,137 Yep. 1150 01:16:07,217 --> 01:16:10,107 It's almost precluding it from happening. 1151 01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:12,782 Yep, but I can have a second house. 1152 01:16:12,782 --> 01:16:16,667 All right, so I think we can include that in, um, 1153 01:16:16,667 --> 01:16:20,711 a referral note back and you guys can work on that, 1154 01:16:20,711 --> 01:16:23,089 then we'll take it from there. 1155 01:16:23,089 --> 01:16:28,798 Um, the only other item we had on our agenda was— well, actually, Steve, 1156 01:16:28,798 --> 01:16:30,701 you had something about— 1157 01:16:30,701 --> 01:16:37,926 We were gonna ask an engineer report, um, on the issue about Um, at our last— yeah, 1158 01:16:37,926 --> 01:16:44,542 at our last meeting we resolved that there were going to be some landscaping 1159 01:16:44,542 --> 01:16:48,547 improvements for, uh, 425 South Riverside, uh, 1160 01:16:48,547 --> 01:16:53,508 as it related to the signage and landscaping application. 1161 01:16:53,508 --> 01:17:00,124 So, uh, just my question is, has, uh, Andrew Cortese, uh, fulfilled his, uh, 1162 01:17:00,124 --> 01:17:01,256 requirements? 1163 01:17:01,256 --> 01:17:03,224 Oh, I have to check up on that one. 1164 01:17:03,825 --> 01:17:05,695 Okay. 1165 01:17:08,695 --> 01:17:11,442 425. He was here before the board last— 1166 01:17:11,442 --> 01:17:16,163 Yeah, I remember. But I think we misspoke by saying 425, which is the report, 1167 01:17:16,163 --> 01:17:18,984 the project you just looked at. So it's the 3. 1168 01:17:19,694 --> 01:17:20,727 Yeah, same address. 1169 01:17:20,791 --> 01:17:21,130 Same address. 1170 01:17:21,178 --> 01:17:21,453 Oh, it is? 1171 01:17:21,646 --> 01:17:22,049 Yeah. 1172 01:17:22,049 --> 01:17:26,487 So it was fulfilling a prior requirement for site 1173 01:17:26,487 --> 01:17:30,834 plan modification that needed to be buttoned up. 1174 01:17:30,834 --> 01:17:34,088 So I was just looking for an update, which Vincent will get back to us on, 1175 01:17:34,088 --> 01:17:34,748 it sounds like. 1176 01:17:34,748 --> 01:17:35,648 No problem. 1177 01:17:35,648 --> 01:17:36,762 Yeah, great. 1178 01:17:36,762 --> 01:17:38,973 And the only other thing, just— 1179 01:17:38,973 --> 01:17:43,325 I don't know if we've followed up or where we're at with this 1180 01:17:43,325 --> 01:17:45,251 garden center down the way. 1181 01:17:45,251 --> 01:17:46,521 It's a good question. 1182 01:17:46,521 --> 01:17:51,116 Um, as far as I know, they have been reaching out to the DOT and Last I saw, 1183 01:17:51,116 --> 01:17:54,320 I think it was in DOT's court to give them an answer. 1184 01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:58,008 I don't think that they have, and that was like 2 months ago. 1185 01:17:58,008 --> 01:18:01,031 I could follow up on that though. That'd be great. 1186 01:18:01,031 --> 01:18:04,900 It's been 2 months or so since I saw the emails being exchanged, 1187 01:18:04,900 --> 01:18:06,291 so I'll look into that. 1188 01:18:06,291 --> 01:18:07,076 Thank you. 1189 01:18:07,076 --> 01:18:09,496 DOT takes some time. 1190 01:18:09,496 --> 01:18:11,627 Yeah, well, we know, several years. 1191 01:18:11,739 --> 01:18:12,059 We know. 1192 01:18:12,059 --> 01:18:16,863 I, I, uh, I, I said this to the Board of Trustees recently. 1193 01:18:16,863 --> 01:18:23,132 There's another community that's been trying to obtain surplus property along 1194 01:18:23,132 --> 01:18:23,376 trying to obtain surplus property along the 1195 01:18:23,376 --> 01:18:27,203 Sawmill River Parkway for 6 years from the DOT. 1196 01:18:27,203 --> 01:18:30,936 This goes back about as long, quite frankly. No, I'm not exaggerating. 1197 01:18:30,936 --> 01:18:34,382 To be used as a public park. It's taken 6 years. 1198 01:18:34,382 --> 01:18:36,144 That's tough. 1199 01:18:36,481 --> 01:18:42,586 Vincent, do you know the status on that clothing drop box that's opposite? 1200 01:18:42,666 --> 01:18:44,272 They're trying to get rid of it. 1201 01:18:44,272 --> 01:18:46,631 They tried to get rid of it, I think Yesterday, 1202 01:18:46,631 --> 01:18:49,091 but it was too heavy for the truck that they had. 1203 01:18:49,091 --> 01:18:51,550 So today they were using a forklift or something. 1204 01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:52,160 So, um— 1205 01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:53,640 They being the people that put it there? 1206 01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,620 The management company. We don't know who put it there, how it got there. 1207 01:18:56,620 --> 01:18:57,120 Really? 1208 01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,080 Yeah. So they're trying to get rid of that. 1209 01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:01,440 That's nuts. Okay, thank you. 1210 01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:04,620 I think they might have done it by today, but they're working on it for sure. 1211 01:19:04,620 --> 01:19:04,700 They don't want it there. 1212 01:19:04,700 --> 01:19:07,540 So the people that own the shopping center are trying to get rid of it? 1213 01:19:07,540 --> 01:19:08,940 Yeah, they've got to get rid of it. 1214 01:19:08,940 --> 01:19:09,500 Great. 1215 01:19:09,500 --> 01:19:10,240 They don't want it there either. 1216 01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:11,360 That's good. Thank you. 1217 01:19:11,813 --> 01:19:12,372 That's good news. 1218 01:19:12,372 --> 01:19:18,789 All right, so I think the only other thing we have on our agenda then would 1219 01:19:18,789 --> 01:19:25,378 be the minutes from our prior meeting. I think they're in my— oh, here we go. 1220 01:19:25,378 --> 01:19:29,717 I did not have any comments 1221 01:19:29,717 --> 01:19:34,377 or changes. Great job, Karen. 1222 01:19:34,377 --> 01:19:36,327 Yep, looks good. 1223 01:19:38,834 --> 01:19:39,659 I have no comment. 1224 01:19:39,659 --> 01:19:40,500 Neither do I. 1225 01:19:40,500 --> 01:19:45,336 Okay, uh, John, you want to make a motion on the minutes? 1226 01:19:45,336 --> 01:19:50,199 Uh, I'd like to make a motion 1227 01:19:50,199 --> 01:19:54,559 that the minutes from June 1228 01:19:54,559 --> 01:19:55,397 20th— 1229 01:19:55,413 --> 01:19:55,625 July— 1230 01:19:55,755 --> 01:20:01,050 July be accepted without any corrections. 1231 01:20:04,050 --> 01:20:04,517 Second. 1232 01:20:04,517 --> 01:20:05,985 All in favor? 1233 01:20:06,178 --> 01:20:06,291 Aye. 1234 01:20:06,726 --> 01:20:11,532 All right, thank you guys. So we're adjourned for tonight.