[0:14] Good afternoon.
[0:15] I'd like to, we adjourn. .
[0:19] I would like to call the June 1st Coleman housing authority,
[0:23] annual meeting.
[0:24] To order. So we'll start the meeting with roll call.
[0:31] Christian, you gonna do that? Or am I gonna do
[0:33] that?
[0:34] You want me to, I I'd like you when you
[0:36] do that. all right.
[0:39] Cara biddings here.
[0:41] Here, bill styles here. Bill Hansen here. Stacy DAYL here.
[0:45] Sally Pierce here. Norman maze here. Thank you.
[0:49] Thank you. Absent Connie. Banham.
[0:52] Okay. So we'll start with the director's report.
[0:55] Tenant updates, capital improvements and financial projections.
[1:08] So for tenant updates, we did get two.
[1:12] Renovated units turned over.
[1:14] In this fiscal year, we had one.
[1:17] One bedroom unit and one, two bedroom unit.
[1:21] There will also soon be a vacant one bedroom unit.
[1:25] But they're still moving out right now on that.
[1:29] I'm not. And I've left you all a sheet with
[1:31] the current rental rates and how many units are paying.
[1:36] Those amounts.
[1:39] And that's all I have any questions.
[1:43] Questions. Thank you. Thank you very much, Christina.
[1:49] Oh, hold on. Have one question, Mr. Stiles.
[1:52] Stiles. I understand a resident just recently passed away.
[1:57] Does that factor into the one unit you said is
[2:00] available?
[2:01] This is the one that will soon be available. They're
[2:03] in the process of moving things out.
[2:06] Okay. A one-bedroom unit and that unit was already.
[2:09] Renovated so that kitchen's already been done in this unit
[2:13] that will soon be vacant.
[2:15] Okay, thank you. You're welcome.
[2:18] Okay, can we have the updated on calf improvements?
[2:23] Capital improvements. We we're still working on our 10 year
[2:26] plan trying to prioritize things within the buildings that, that.
[2:29] Need to be updated. One of the major capital improvements
[2:32] that I've kind of identified over the past two years.
[2:36] And put into our actual town operating budget. This year
[2:39] was we're repaving. The, the.
[2:43] The road red mill road that goes into the senior
[2:45] housing project.
[2:47] We've identified the circle at the senior housing project as
[2:50] being hazardous.
[2:51] We're updating some of the sewer man holes, updating some
[2:54] of the drainage.
[2:55] And then we're gonna go in and.
[2:57] Repave the driveways and repave the walkways, the walkways have
[3:02] been a.
[3:03] A real trip hazard. This, this winter, some of the
[3:06] pavement was torn up by the plow trucks.
[3:09] So that that was in the, in the towns operating
[3:12] budget, not in the senior housing operating budget for this
[3:14] year.
[3:16] We're hoping to do that. This, this spring and summer.
[3:19] We are watching oil prices and pavement prices.
[3:23] Prices. So if for some reason,
[3:25] if the paving prices don't come down.
[3:29] We'll definitely be doing it in the spring, but we're
[3:31] hoping to get it done this summer.
[3:33] So that's, that's really one of that's a major project.
[3:36] It's it's.
[3:38] It's, there's gonna be a lot of communication when we
[3:39] decide that we want to move forward with this, because
[3:42] there's going to.
[3:45] Be some issues with getting in and outta your driveways,
[3:48] but.
[3:49] It's really
[3:51] the contractors work well with you. They'll let you know,
[3:53] Hey, you know, you might want to get out tomorrow
[3:55] morning or we're gonna be in the way. So there'll
[3:57] be a lot of communication from Christina.
[3:59] With you folks. Once we decide that when we have
[4:01] an idea of when we're gonna be going in there
[4:03] to do that, so.
[4:06] And that's really all I have bill. Just one quick
[4:08] question, Chris, are you tying that together with other.
[4:12] Town pavement projects so we can get better pavement pricing.
[4:15] Assuming the answer is yes, but yes. I always like
[4:17] to hear the public, hear that you are.
[4:19] Doing those things to economies at scale is cuz it's,
[4:21] it's long to write into the whole paving project. And
[4:23] that's why I just kept it into the paving project.
[4:25] It was a good year to put.
[4:27] Senior housing into it because.
[4:29] We had caught up on some of the other roads.
[4:32] And we like to put so much money a year
[4:34] into our paving plan. So this was a way to
[4:37] do that road and it just made sense to do
[4:39] the driveway.
[4:40] Driveways while we're doing the road in the cul-de-sac.
[4:43] Great. I'm Mr. Siles.
[4:45] Is the paving and the plowing people, their insurance taking
[4:48] care of them, the damage to the pavement.
[4:51] The damage to the pavement. Really? It, it won't be
[4:54] cuz it was really due to poor pavement. So we,
[4:56] we take some responsibility with that, that it was already.
[5:00] Lifted and cracking, there was no way around it, whether
[5:02] they had done it or we had done it, they
[5:04] are responsible for going in and, and fixing the lawns
[5:07] and anything that they.
[5:08] They've torn up. But other than that, no.
[5:11] Thank you. You scroll into bowl for.
[5:15] Receiving putting soil down. It hasn't been done for 20
[5:19] years.
[5:25] It's it's, it's really due to damage. So we, we.
[5:29] Go on a repay the damage. But when we go
[5:30] in and repair all these sidewalks and driveways, we're gonna
[5:33] have to go loam and rec. We're gonna have to
[5:35] loam up to 'em and recede and everyth.
[5:37] Everything. So
[5:41] I came home.
[5:48] Cause now they're covered with.
[5:57] They did about, they were here this morning, the same
[5:59] people who give the flowers and they tore things up
[6:03] that little.
[6:04] That little machine called cat.
[6:07] Lawns up everywhere. It's a mess. And they re they
[6:11] redid Judy McAfee. They.
[6:14] Didn't they only did about.
[6:18] Four, a token, they did four and all the rest
[6:21] of the circle has not been done and they were
[6:24] due to have it done.
[6:25] June 1st and Dean knows about it. Dean has been absolutely
[6:30] extraordinarily wonderful about taking care of us by the way.
[6:35] I'll follow up with Dean. I knew they were in
[6:37] there today. If they weren't finished today, they'll probably be
[6:40] finished tomorrow. So I'm.
[6:42] I'm gonna refer your questions to the chair.
[6:45] Yes in the back. Hi. Yes. I have some damage
[6:47] to the vinyl sliding on my unit.
[6:50] That we figure the people. Did. They.
[6:56] So in the siding on the corner piece.
[6:58] They dump the pipe coming down.
[7:01] And I'm wondering who care about that. So, Chris, Chris,
[7:05] can you, is there a process for tenants to take
[7:07] and report.
[7:09] Damage to their units. Yes, sir. Anything you see, it's
[7:11] in your housing of concern, you call into Christina. Christina
[7:14] makes a note. We make a punch list and we
[7:15] send it out either Dean or.
[7:17] Tom out to, to review it. Who knows about it?
[7:19] I just, you know, that we, you talked about before,
[7:22] cause it was damaging.
[7:26] We'll follow up. We'll take a look. I know that
[7:28] they're right on top of it. We have contractors lined
[7:30] up to go in and fix a lot of this
[7:31] stuff. It's just, it takes a while with.
[7:34] Contractors nowadays, I'm gonna cover it with point duct
[7:37] tape. I don't want any boss noise nest to me.
[7:41] Yeah. Cause.
[7:42] It's a good hole. Well, Christina's making notes, so we'll,
[7:45] we'll follow up tomorrow morning.
[7:49] All right. Any other capital improvement?
[7:53] No, sir. Okay.
[7:55] Okay. Now we're onto item three, which is financial projections.
[7:58] And.
[7:59] Mr child manager, that we will be doing that portion
[8:01] of it.
[8:02] I will be Mr. Chair, if it's okay. I'd like
[8:04] to also.
[8:06] Include on this, like what we're looking at on, on
[8:08] the budget for this year. Sure. As well as projected
[8:11] for rent increases, cuz it all kind of.
[8:14] Comes together under one under one umbrella there. If it's,
[8:17] it'd be fine.
[8:18] So what, what we have this year is this year's.
[8:22] Forecast senior housing proposed budget.
[8:25] And it shows overall it's about a.
[8:29] It's a, it's a 5.4% decrease from last year's budget.
[8:34] However that's a little bit.
[8:38] Let's say sneaky math, because we do also supplement it
[8:42] with $45,000 of capital reserve transfer.
[8:45] That was going in to try to help offset.
[8:48] Some of the expenses that, that were in there this
[8:51] year we saw and that.
[8:54] Does a significant increase over what we have done historically,
[8:57] but trying to help close the gap with the overall
[9:00] operational budget.
[9:01] Some of the bigger challenges that we had this year.
[9:05] We're a lot of it in operational cost and it
[9:08] would be on salaries for the staff that we have
[9:11] there.
[9:12] They had a cost living increase this year, 4%.
[9:15] For the full-time wages, also our health insurance this year.
[9:20] For the town overall went up 14%.
[9:22] For this allocation that we have for this part of
[9:25] the, of our budget, we're looking at a 10% increase
[9:28] there year over year.
[9:30] That we allocated into it. And then the larger.
[9:34] Components that we had were on our.
[9:37] On our heating systems, maintenance budget this year, we're increasing
[9:40] that by about 32% due to replacement of heating systems
[9:44] that need to.
[9:45] Take place or, or forecast over the coming year.
[9:48] As well, and then followed up by.
[9:51] Contractual maintenance. So we're talking about the folks who are
[9:54] doing our work for the plowing and the snow maintenance
[9:56] and other.
[9:58] Groundskeeping during the year, that was a contractual increase of
[10:01] 14% or $5,000.
[10:04] And then building maintenance itself was also an increase this
[10:07] year, year over year by $3,000, just for, you know,
[10:11] standard standard.
[10:12] Work that we'll have to take place over the course
[10:14] of the year. They were really the lions share of
[10:17] the increase that we saw in the budget year.
[10:21] Year over year.
[10:25] And so looking at that, the.
[10:29] Before any form of increase on rent increases this year.
[10:34] The the senior housing was looking at a, at a,
[10:36] at a loss of roughly or, or a deficit of
[10:39] about $22,600.
[10:41] Compared to last year, last year was slightly.
[10:45] It was slightly above.
[10:48] But this year, if we go on the current status,
[10:51] we're about 22.
[10:52] Six below what we need for.
[10:56] To to break even. So based on that, I've come
[10:59] forward with a.
[11:01] As, I guess I can give you back looking back
[11:03] at about this time last year, we were discussing an
[11:06] increase on rates and.
[11:08] You know, our recommendation last year was to not change
[11:10] the rates cuz we weren't sure what we were looking
[11:12] at, looking at from an economy standpoint.
[11:16] This year, we're looking at making a recommendation of a
[11:18] 4% increase. So that turns into a, roughly a 2%
[11:22] year over year average over.
[11:24] The past two years, but a lot of that it's
[11:27] tracking a little bit less than what the consumer price
[11:29] index is gonna be for this year. They're looking at.
[11:32] Over the course of the summer at about four and
[11:33] a half percent is the CPI. So we're, we're tracking
[11:37] a little bit less than that. We're probably close to.
[11:40] At about what inflation is gonna be at least.
[11:43] If oil stays where it's at. Unfortunately, we'll be looking
[11:46] at that as a, as an inflationary cost.
[11:49] But
[11:52] then the other, I don't know we had on that,
[11:53] you know, a lot of it's just trying to meet
[11:55] the needs that we do have instead of keeping to
[11:57] going back, cuz it's not sustainable to go into.
[12:00] Our reserve funds year over year to try to balance
[12:02] the budget off from that. Because at some point we
[12:04] may have a larger capital expense that we'll need to.
[12:08] Reach into our savings account. If you will.
[12:10] To, to fund that, to help us going forward.
[12:13] The other item that I have.
[12:16] That and the, the board may remember this discussion from
[12:18] last year as well.
[12:20] The town over the last year, voted to expand our
[12:23] solar field up and back of us on off ground
[12:26] road. So that should be break.
[12:28] Breaking ground here in the near term, which will change
[12:31] the complexion of our electrical side of it. So I
[12:35] think that'll be it. We may.
[12:37] Ask the board to come back at another time during
[12:39] this year.
[12:41] To look at potentially finding a way to.
[12:44] Offset the electrical utility.
[12:46] Costs for the units. So, but we don't know what
[12:49] those numbers are gonna look like right now. Well, I
[12:51] know that Chris pulled together all of the unit.
[12:54] Electrical bills last year, when we were going through this
[12:56] exercise with revision to figure out.
[13:00] What, what our overall usage was for municipally owned properties.
[13:04] So that was put into the mix, but we're gonna
[13:07] look at what we have.
[13:08] For yields and what we can do to apply it
[13:10] towards those, you know, potentially apply those towards our, our,
[13:14] our lovely clients, electrical bills.
[13:16] As they go forward. So if you can find a
[13:18] way to say.
[13:20] To find a, a cost, I guess you could say
[13:22] a cost effective.
[13:24] And also a reasonable number that will be less than
[13:27] what they're currently paying for electricity, but helps us offset
[13:30] the capital expense. So, but that'll be a.
[13:32] A future discussion that, that we're looking to do, but
[13:35] that that's on the positive side. So.
[13:38] Long story short, we're looking at a 4% for this
[13:41] year would be our recommendation.
[13:43] And still with that being said, we're we do still
[13:46] have a little bit of a structural gap when it's
[13:49] all said and done by raising the interest rates.
[13:52] Sorry, the rent rates by 4% will net us roughly
[13:56] about 15,000.
[13:58] $179.
[14:00] Above and beyond what we had forecast in the budget
[14:03] for rent.
[14:05] So that would make the gap still a deficit of
[14:07] about $7,400.
[14:09] But that's best case scenario that we're looking at now,
[14:13] or, or at least, you know, we may find at
[14:15] the end of the year, we may not have expended
[14:16] everything.
[14:17] So we're within a, a gap there that I think
[14:20] we'll probably break even, or be right around, right around
[14:23] a zero base budget. When it's all said and done.
[14:28] Thank you. You're very welcome, sir.
[14:31] I guess I'd like to.
[14:33] Talk about our processes this point in time right now.
[14:35] Cause I'm, I'm assuming there's a lot of our lovely
[14:37] tents here. Want to talk on this subject? You have
[14:39] the red increase. I'm I'm guessing. That's why you're here.
[14:42] And I'd like to have a, a process. We go
[14:44] forward cuz it's public communist towards the end of this.
[14:47] And I, I just would like to have the board.
[14:50] Discuss, whether we'd like to hear it from the tenants
[14:52] first and then have board discussion or vice versa. And
[14:54] I'd like to just, they just go down the board
[14:56] and tell me how you prefer to run that.
[14:59] Carl will you start?
[15:01] Yeah, I think it makes sense to hear from the
[15:03] public first and then have our discussion. We know their
[15:06] concerns.
[15:07] Concerns. I agree. I agree. I do too. Okay. That's
[15:12] gonna be our process. Great. So if you could just
[15:15] raise your hand.
[15:16] To give your name and where you live and then,
[15:17] and talk about what could we ask them to go
[15:20] to the podium because it's being recorded? Yes, it is.
[15:22] Would that be okay? People make it to the podium.
[15:26] I dunno how it works.
[15:35] I because so people at home can hear what's going
[15:37] on. Let's Mr. Veil can find a way to bring
[15:39] a mic.
[15:39] To you, which maybe he's he's on that. I don't
[15:42] even know if it's up there.
[15:46] My house, the
[15:50] where'd he go
[15:52] I think we've had that in a while. I
[15:56] don't, I don't think we Haven quite all right. So,
[15:59] so this.
[16:00] Discussion is, is, is
[16:02] purely focused on the proposed rate increase. That's what this
[16:06] discussion will be about. There'll be public comment later on
[16:08] for things outside of that, but this is just gonna
[16:10] be.
[16:11] For the rate increase is what we're increases. What's that?
[16:14] It's on my unit. I came from mine.
[16:18] Next door and they
[16:21] charge me for, so it's taken off my rent behind
[16:24] the podium, Bob.
[16:26] Hiding on me.
[16:28] Hasn't changed since I've asked every year, has the rate.
[16:33] Changed the tragedy for the.
[16:39] Just one, two hasn't changed.
[16:42] Yeah, they, they checked it last year, Tom. Okay. Well,
[16:45] thank you very much for that assistance. You're welcome. That
[16:48] is great to cover.
[16:49] What they're okay. When I'm, can you hear me? No.
[16:54] No. Is it on light?
[16:59] Should be good to go.
[17:03] And do you think coming out of yep. You got
[17:05] a hold of, we look pretty close. Looks like I
[17:07] didn't have it close enough. Okay.
[17:10] In the units, only one person pays for the radar
[17:14] for the connecting units.
[17:16] I'm in a two, there are two of us together.
[17:20] And when it was in, they told me the rate
[17:22] was $20 a month. I would pay for the rate
[17:25] on.
[17:26] And they take it off. And my rent.
[17:28] And I asked the question, has the rate gone up?
[17:32] That they're charging me for the rate on does the
[17:34] fan and the whole bit.
[17:37] And the answer has been no, the ch the electricity
[17:40] hasn't gone up there.
[17:42] And so if the it's costing me $30.
[17:46] A month for the radar. Now it should be deducted
[17:48] for my.
[17:50] Rent. So we're, I'm just wondering, has the rate for
[17:54] the Rateon gone up.
[17:56] Okay. So
[17:58] Christine. Do you want to discuss that?
[18:01] Yeah, I believe it was last year. Tom looked into
[18:03] how much energy, the radon meters.
[18:05] Use and the $20 credit that is given to the
[18:09] people that have the radon meters.
[18:12] Tied into their electrical bill.
[18:14] Is more than enough to cover. So they've.
[18:17] Gotten probably more of a credit than what they've been
[18:20] paying every year.
[18:22] Or every month, so that $20 a month credit is
[18:25] still enough.
[18:27] To cover the rate on meter usage. Thank you. Christine
[18:31] said we built it in higher for that reason, just
[18:33] so we weren't chasing it.
[18:35] Every year mm-hmm .
[18:37] Okay, so, so questions related to the proposed rating rate
[18:40] increase.
[18:41] Thank you, Mr. Vale for, for.
[18:44] Walking the mic. If you could just say your name
[18:46] and where you live and then state your concern or
[18:49] question.
[18:50] Hi, Nancy. Hussie I'm at number 69.
[18:53] And I was just wondering, it was really nice. Last
[18:56] year we had zero increase.
[18:58] But I'm wondering, no matter how the economics looked.
[19:02] If we could every year get a small increase.
[19:06] Which you would get to then use the money.
[19:08] And that we wouldn't get such a larger increase two
[19:11] years later. I mean, I could understand the two and
[19:12] the two.
[19:14] But it would given you the money to use, to
[19:16] go towards a deficit.
[19:19] And maybe I'm in the minority that just soon pay
[19:21] it as we go along.
[19:23] I think we'll look at that going forward too last
[19:26] year was kind of a.
[19:27] Cause we were also looking at changing rates.
[19:31] For as new tenants came in. So we were looking
[19:33] at a lot of those cuz.
[19:35] There was a lot of moving parts, I guess, on
[19:37] overall rates. So they shifted for new tenants last year,
[19:40] up to higher rates that were gonna be starting.
[19:43] As a, as units turned over. So we had that
[19:45] increase that took place on the go forward. And then
[19:47] this year we're looking at it on the overall picture,
[19:50] but then next year,
[19:51] we'll probably look at, like you said, probably.
[19:53] Like a, a lower percentage increase year over year. And
[19:56] that'll, that'll close that gap. And.
[19:58] Keep us, I think they'll keep us in decent shape.
[20:01] Thank you. So thank you, Gail. Your turn.
[20:08] I think you can hear me with, so yes, but
[20:10] can you just in state your name and where you,
[20:14] where you live too before you start? Yes. My nameis.
[20:14] Gail Ray Carter. I'm at 50 Hawk. Oh, we, we
[20:16] need that for the TV to hear you for the
[20:19] TV thing. Yes, because we're on, we're on, we're on
[20:21] TV. My name.
[20:23] Is Gail Ray Carter and I live at number 50
[20:25] Hawthorne court.
[20:27] And I don't have any concerns other than the fact
[20:30] that several of us who live there.
[20:33] Still have old kitchens.
[20:35] Kitchens, you cannot use a KitchenAid mixer.
[20:39] Because the distance between the countertop and the top cupboards.
[20:44] Cupboards is only about 10 or 12 inches.
[20:47] I have a quiz and art food processor.
[20:51] And I have to pull a food processor.
[20:54] All the way to the front of the cupboard to
[20:56] even get the cover on it, to use it to
[20:58] puree a soup.
[21:02] So I've been studying Southern living and decorating magazines and
[21:05] looking at the cupboards.
[21:08] Cupboards. If it takes two months.
[21:11] To replace a kitchen. It seems to me.
[21:15] That we got a letter from Christina.
[21:17] Telling us that, that you'd almost have to move out
[21:20] to get your kitchen and get a new kitchen.
[21:23] I kind of, don't like to be jealous of my
[21:26] new neighbors.
[21:28] Neighbors because they're nice neighbors, but they all have new
[21:30] kitchens.
[21:32] Kitchens and they're lovely.
[21:34] So I figured a way.
[21:37] That my kitchen could be fixed.
[21:40] So I could use a KitchenAid mixer.
[21:43] You leave the left cupboard as they are. You leave
[21:45] the right cupboards as they are.
[21:47] But when you look at the back wall, the wooden
[21:50] cupboards are.
[21:52] In sections so that you.
[21:55] Would take that section off the wall.
[21:58] And raise it up a little bit.
[22:01] And then it would have to have refinished, you know,
[22:04] where.
[22:05] The space is where you rose up that one section.
[22:09] And then it would be much more workable.
[22:12] And I don't plan to move away.
[22:15] Until they take me away.
[22:18] So this would be
[22:20] sort of a bonus.
[22:22] Yeah, there's just food for thought.
[22:25] It's not a complaint.
[22:27] Complaint. Thank you.
[22:29] So, what I heard from you is a potential short
[22:31] term solution until we could get the renovations completed to
[22:34] make it more usable. I guess, Chris, is that something
[22:36] that you could.
[22:37] Look into it seems to me.
[22:40] There are some people somewhere.
[22:42] In this vicinity that could come in there and tear
[22:46] that kitchen out and do it in a week.
[22:52] In a perfect world. lots of, and with all
[22:55] the contractors that we've been dealing with,
[22:59] that may be right, but when we're ordering the countertops,
[23:03] countertops, getting plumbers, electricians, getting the cabinets, ripped out, getting
[23:05] cabinets, put back in, getting the flooring, organized, getting the
[23:09] painting done.
[23:11] It would just, it's a lot of moving parts and
[23:14] what, and when we come up with two months,
[23:17] we're really, we don't want you to get into a
[23:18] situation where you, you tell us that you can do
[23:21] it. And then all of a sudden, you know, three
[23:23] weeks go by and you're washing dishes.
[23:25] Dishes in the bathtub and you know, you're getting upset
[23:27] with us and we just, our hands are tied. So.
[23:30] We are looking at other options. We've actually, I, I
[23:33] know Christina's made a couple contacts. We have an empty
[23:36] unit right now.
[23:38] That has already been redone. We're looking at the possibility
[23:41] of giving folks the option of.
[23:43] Moving in there for a couple months.
[23:46] Or taking that unit and giving up their unit so
[23:49] we can renovate. So we're, we are.
[23:52] We've constantly looking at options to, to get this done
[23:55] without, without inconveniencing you, but also being realistic on our
[23:59] end. Yeah, I totally.
[24:01] Understand the issues with the different contractors.
[24:04] That's why I came up with the patch idea.
[24:09] It's like a bandaid.
[24:11] I will check with Dean and Tom to see how
[24:13] much of a project that would be. So we will
[24:17] take a look at it. Christina wrote down.
[24:19] The the information and we'll thank you, Chris.
[24:23] Okay. Do we have any other con comments or concerns
[24:25] focused on the proposed rate increase by the town manager
[24:29] for the, this upcoming year?
[24:33] Now I'm not gonna lie. I wish she could be
[24:35] zero, but you can see the numbers. That's not possible.
[24:39] Our goal was to provide affordable housing for all of
[24:42] Utah.
[24:43] To take care, but also physically we need to make
[24:46] sure these units are.
[24:48] Maintained properly. So please, if the things are, are not
[24:51] right, please let Christina know.
[24:54] That's really, really important because we wanna make sure that
[24:57] things are correct and, and taken care of. That's really
[24:59] important to us.
[25:02] So, and the end of the day, it's, you know,
[25:04] the town.
[25:05] Really isn't in the, in the business of supporting housing.
[25:07] This housing is a great.
[25:10] Asset we have, and it needs to be self-sustaining. So
[25:12] that's that, that is what our goal is.
[25:14] And I think we can do that in officially responsive
[25:17] way. And I appreciate the planning and forethought that Christina
[25:20] and Chris and, and Matt have put.
[25:23] Into what they're doing to try to keep it in
[25:25] this direction, because I can tell you, there are a
[25:28] lot of places where these things get started and then.
[25:31] They, they kind of get run down and they're not
[25:33] in, not in good shape. And I think, you know,
[25:35] we, we set up a, really a.
[25:38] A high standard for, for that goes. Any more comments
[25:42] for open up to board comments on the, on the
[25:44] rent increase.
[25:45] I'm Julie McAfee. I'm a 48 Hawthorne. I've been here
[25:48] 20 years in my unit.
[25:51] I'm very happy in the unit.
[25:53] It hasn't been done over I'm in no hurry to
[25:55] have it done over.
[25:56] And there are others in the, in the complex to
[25:59] feel the same way.
[26:01] Thank you very much. Yeah.
[26:03] Any other comments before we go to board discussion around
[26:05] the, the right increase.
[26:08] Right. Seeing no other
[26:12] we, we can go.
[26:14] Start one of the table. We can go hands. Do
[26:15] you wanna start Norma? You're right. And work this way.
[26:18] Sure I can start. Excuse me.
[26:21] So, yes, I
[26:24] as I agree with bill that, you know, as much
[26:26] as we would like to.
[26:28] See, you know, the, the rents kept lower. I'm looking
[26:31] at.
[26:33] The what other rents are in, in the area.
[26:36] And it, it definitely
[26:39] is an affordable rent. These rents.
[26:42] Rents are even at the 4% increase are, are definitely.
[26:47] More affordable than there are other.
[26:50] Market rate rents out there.
[26:52] To that, that you would be able be able to
[26:55] find.
[26:57] So I would say that.
[26:59] Looking at the 4% this year and hopefully.
[27:03] Tapering that down, moving forward.
[27:05] In the coming years, making it a more.
[27:10] A little more.
[27:11] Palatable increase.
[27:14] So that we can maintain these, these units at the.
[27:17] At the standards that we have for, for so many
[27:19] years.
[27:20] I think I agree that this 4% increase is.
[27:24] Is justified. So thank you.
[27:27] Thank you norm.
[27:31] I don't know whether you hear me.
[27:34] I have a problem with my.
[27:37] Voice Connie. I did. If you pull that mic real
[27:39] close, it will work real. You get real close to
[27:41] pull or even pull the base even forward. I do.
[27:45] Agree with the increase.
[27:48] We probably should have looked at.
[27:52] Smaller increases.
[27:55] Increases in the past.
[27:58] Lee after this.
[28:00] But we have to pay for the.
[28:05] Cost of
[28:07] bills.
[28:10] Thank you, Connie.
[28:15] I agree with what
[28:17] these folks have said
[28:19] and I think the 4% increase is it's. It's reasonable.
[28:24] It's necessary.
[28:27] I appreciate all of your comments.
[28:29] Comments. Thank you.
[28:33] These are are affordable.
[28:36] Rents, even with the 4% increase.
[28:39] So thank you folks for your work. They, this looks
[28:41] good. Thank you. I appreciate it.
[28:45] William
[28:48] nowadays.
[28:50] Nowadays, you know, as I look back on life,
[28:53] everything is just playing costing way too much.
[28:57] I can remember gasoline.
[29:00] In less than 25 cents a gallon. .
[29:03] At it now, I just, my.
[29:07] Stepson just bought a new pickup truck.
[29:09] And it approached $80,000.
[29:13] My first house cost me under $14,000. Mm-hmm .
[29:18] How can you buy a pickup truck? That's relative to
[29:20] essentially four, five times.
[29:23] What you pay for a house?
[29:25] We have to maintain the rental values.
[29:28] To make sure that life is you folks know it.
[29:30] And we know it.
[29:32] Is good. I have always been a staunch advocate.
[29:36] Of having a little bit every year so that we
[29:38] don't have to go to a, for a 5 cent.
[29:41] Cents. Cuz in my mind, it's a lot easier to
[29:43] pick up 2% this year.
[29:45] And 2% next year, rather than.
[29:47] Get a four or 5% increase.
[29:50] I'm looking at at the.
[29:53] The way the units are established now.
[29:57] And I, and we have grandfathered units and so forth.
[30:01] I I'm just wondering Chris.
[30:03] When do some of these older units, for example, a
[30:06] two.
[30:07] Subsidized one bedroom units.
[30:10] You know, if, if they were into a normal rental
[30:12] that would take care of the 5% increase right there.
[30:16] Mm-hmm so I don't know.
[30:18] When in my planning mind.
[30:21] When some of these subsidized a grandfather's.
[30:24] Grandfather's disappear and end up being a current rate.
[30:28] And, and not that you have to do it, but
[30:29] it's, it's it's in my mind wondering.
[30:33] If that's some of the problem.
[30:35] And I guess I'm getting to the point where.
[30:39] I'm wishing that we had just.
[30:41] Two rates and not having to multiply and change each
[30:44] one because I can see right now the next rental
[30:47] rates are gonna be.
[30:49] The 2027 rates or the 2028 rates.
[30:53] I would rather us have a.
[30:56] A single rate that stayed the same for both the
[30:58] two, two bedroom units and the single bedroom units.
[31:02] And then
[31:05] if we just could cut expenses, that would be nice.
[31:08] I always want to cut. Yeah. for example, the
[31:11] budget, we should be able to cut that by 10%
[31:13] and not have to increase anything.
[31:17] But I'm not in that position and I appreciate everything
[31:21] you folks have done for this. So.
[31:23] I'm just actively thinking.
[31:27] Thank you, sir. Okay. Kara.
[31:30] Yeah, I'm in agreement with everything that was said, and
[31:34] I agree.
[31:36] That maybe we should have thought last year about us
[31:38] in a smaller increment, but I think at the time,
[31:42] costs were already starting to go up in so many
[31:45] areas of life. So we thought, well, if we can
[31:47] spare that here.
[31:49] Then, then that's a good thing.
[31:52] But it sounds like for the most part, people are
[31:55] having a good experience in the units and that's a
[31:57] great thing and something that we want to continue.
[32:01] So based on the numbers that we're seeing, I think
[32:04] that the 4% rate.
[32:06] Increase is appropriate and necessary.
[32:11] Okay, great. I just a couple clarifying questions, Mr. Manager.
[32:16] So, if I'm looking at this correctly,
[32:18] or unallocated fund balance is around 27,000 right now. Is
[32:21] that what I'm seeing? I believe so. Yes, sir. That
[32:24] is our available funds. Should catastrophe.
[32:26] Catastrophe occur. And we're talking about.
[32:29] Just to make my math simple, a $400,000 budget, just
[32:32] cuz I'm rounding up in my head.
[32:34] Yes, sir. So you're looking at about 5% as your
[32:36] contingency that you have right now, which is on the
[32:38] very thin side.
[32:40] With a proposed increase, 4%.
[32:44] You will get on about $20,000.
[32:46] In reserve. Yeah. So now you're getting down to.
[32:49] Less than less than 5%, but in that range,
[32:54] so just to be that's my understanding, is that correct?
[32:56] Yes. Okay.
[32:58] Great. I, I guess I do agree with you, Mr.
[33:02] Stiles, with.
[33:03] The rental rates is there's a lot to this, but
[33:06] I also, there's a huge advantage for some of our
[33:08] folks who've been here for a long time that that
[33:10] kind of get locked in. Come.
[33:12] Kind of similar to what some of the property tax
[33:14] relief they've talked about in, in the state is looking
[33:17] at when you get to a point a certain age,
[33:20] that stays and doesn't increase. So this advantages to all
[33:23] of you with that. So the model is hard for
[33:26] Christina to manage.
[33:28] Nearly impossible. As you can see the folks who are
[33:30] moving in today into your apartments are gonna pay a
[33:33] fair amount more than what you're paying.
[33:35] Going forward. So there is an, obviously there's a, there's
[33:39] a advantage for tenure and for, for common residents who
[33:42] have been here a long time and, and.
[33:43] Provided so many, one
[33:45] contributions to the town. So I think there's, there's a,
[33:48] certainly an upside to that, which I I'm, I'm proud
[33:50] of.
[33:52] I, you know, I don't like to look, look back.
[33:53] We made the best decision we could last year.
[33:56] Okay. And here we are. And I think the solemn
[33:58] truth is we need to move forward.
[34:00] I think the 4% is, is responsible. I would.
[34:04] I guess I would charge Chris and Christina, as we're
[34:08] moving forward with this budget to see what we can
[34:09] do to is opportunities to save.
[34:12] Come available that we try to look at trying to
[34:14] mean our operating costs next year under budget. So we
[34:17] can reduce that $7,000 loss.
[34:19] With a goal to get it to parody, which that's
[34:21] a, that's a ask. But I think that that would,
[34:23] should be our target.
[34:25] And, you know, I appreciate all the support and it's
[34:28] also great to see all of you.
[34:30] This is special for us, cuz I'm, I'm afraid I
[34:32] don't get over your way very often. So it's nice
[34:34] to see you all here. So.
[34:36] Mr manage. I also support your, your proposal. Thank you
[34:39] again. I wish it was, it could be one or
[34:41] 2%.
[34:42] But I think that the problem would be went down
[34:45] that road. And I've been there before with other town
[34:47] committees. And what have you, is that it's, it builds
[34:50] on itself and.
[34:51] Then pretty soon, we're not, we're asking for a six
[34:52] or a seven or eight or nine or 10% increase.
[34:55] And that's the last thing we want to do, cuz
[34:57] that becomes real hard to, to navigate.
[35:01] We have one. We have one, one more question.
[35:06] One thing that they've always told us when they've gone
[35:10] up and.
[35:11] Is, they always look at our social security.
[35:15] And years where we have no.
[35:18] Raise like last year, I don't believe the social security
[35:21] went up.
[35:22] Damn it. Oh, just very little, but they've.
[35:26] Used that to judge what they were gonna make the
[35:28] rinse be.
[35:30] Because most of us are using our social security.
[35:34] To pay the rent.
[35:36] And that's it. That's a lot of us. That's our
[35:39] total.
[35:40] Income that we get from the government is social security.
[35:43] So keep that in mind. Absolutely.
[35:46] Absolutely. So
[35:48] with that. I, I think.
[35:51] I need to entertain a motion to accept the, the
[35:53] town manager's recommendation.
[35:55] On we'll start with the, with the budget first and
[35:59] then we would go re increase. Secondly, those would be
[36:01] the two motions. I believe I need to have Christina.
[36:04] Am I correct on that. Okay. So can I have
[36:06] a motion?
[36:08] Concerning the ex adoption of the proposed.
[36:10] Budget presented by the town manager.
[36:13] I would rather discuss the budget first.
[36:16] Okay, well, we have a motion, then we have discussion.
[36:19] That'll be the order, right. So I would think, yes.
[36:21] Okay. So let's, let's have the motion, then we'll have
[36:23] discussion.
[36:24] In, in reviewing this budget.
[36:27] We talk, one of the things, the town manager and
[36:30] the proposing here.
[36:32] Is more expenditure on a heating system, maintenance.
[36:36] I don't understand.
[36:38] We have, as I understand it.
[36:41] A gas heating system, propane heating system.
[36:44] And those are, are pretty.
[36:46] Substantial stable heating units.
[36:49] Why we basically
[36:51] putting $40,000 a year into maintenance of, of heating systems
[36:55] that should be leveled.
[36:58] A lot of these heating systems are over 10 years
[37:00] old now.
[37:01] You you're thinking about them going in brand new and.
[37:05] Many of 'em are over 10 years old and they
[37:06] do have maintenance parts.
[37:08] They're not as, as much as oil. And I think
[37:11] the chairman could probably chime in on that more so
[37:14] than I with, with his profession. But.
[37:16] They still have maintenance parts and we also have.
[37:20] A maintenance service agreement because we have them serviced twice
[37:22] a year.
[37:24] So they come in and they check 'em all out.
[37:25] They clean them.
[37:28] So
[37:29] this is all based on a fixed maintenance agreement and
[37:32] also repair costs.
[37:35] Well, I, it, it just appears to me that if
[37:38] we're putting $40,000 a year into maintain it, maintaining a.
[37:43] System.
[37:45] are we wasted our money, putting that service in
[37:47] there.
[37:48] I mean in the buildings that I've owned.
[37:51] You haven't got to spend that much money.
[37:53] Every year to maintain it. You have to do it
[37:55] periodically. Yes.
[37:57] But not every year. And I know that that particular
[38:00] heating system is one of the ones that requires the
[38:04] lease maintenance.
[38:06] So it just doesn't seem right. That we have to
[38:08] spend $50,000 a year.
[38:11] Rounded figures on maintenance.
[38:15] Not that we shouldn't spend maintenance. I don't say that.
[38:18] But it's just the amount that, that.
[38:20] Is bothering me.
[38:23] And, and part, part of that too. Mr. Styles.
[38:27] You know, if you think about twice a year on.
[38:29] Because if 30 heating systems.
[38:32] So it's roughly $1,400.
[38:34] Per, you know, per unit.
[38:37] Allocation. So they've got the twice a year.
[38:40] Servicing that takes place. And then God forbid you have
[38:42] a, a system that fails.
[38:45] Fails. So to replace one of those, you're probably talking
[38:47] in the 10, 10 K range, $10,000 range now for
[38:50] a burner and a boiler.
[38:52] So, this is kind of your, your.
[38:56] In many ways, your pricing for your.
[38:58] Your annual operation, but also your worst case scenario. So
[39:01] if we have a couple systems that might fail during
[39:03] the year,
[39:05] as they get over 10 years old, then.
[39:08] We at least have a little bit of a cushion
[39:09] in there. And if you look at what our.
[39:13] Actuals on our heating.
[39:15] Systems are usually around.
[39:17] Around 2020 K per year, 20 to 30 K per
[39:20] year.
[39:21] Roughly in that range so that you know, that invariably
[39:24] will.
[39:25] Invariably will be
[39:27] once one or two systems may go down. And so
[39:30] that's why we kind of price that.
[39:32] Into there as well.
[39:35] Okay. Yep.
[39:36] Next question I have is we have a, a budget
[39:39] for legal and accounting of a thousand.
[39:43] Do we have any, any real legal.
[39:46] Problems or accounting problems that we need to budget that
[39:48] much for.
[39:50] I think what we're doing is allocating that.
[39:53] Potentially, I'd say you could look at for a legal
[39:55] expense.
[39:57] If God forbid you had someone that.
[39:59] Either needed to
[40:02] to leave due to nonpayment, or if you had an
[40:03] eviction or something along those lines that you had to
[40:06] take place, or if there was some.
[40:08] It's it's more like insurance on that as far as
[40:10] from the legal standpoint.
[40:12] The accounting's more allocation for what the town annually spends
[40:15] for auditing.
[40:16] So it's all, you know, we try to find.
[40:18] You know, cuz they'll audit these books as well as
[40:20] partly the, the whole town's municipal audit.
[40:25] I understand, but that seems like a lot.
[40:27] Based on the past history, what I'm looking at.
[40:32] Okay. I realize I'm nitpicking, but that's okay. I just,
[40:35] I just.
[40:37] Want to get the thinking. I want to look at
[40:39] the budget to make sure.
[40:41] That I understand it. One.
[40:44] And, and I understand the health insurance. There's not much
[40:46] you can do about that.
[40:48] Understand, a lot of the other things that.
[40:51] That I know, but water and sewer.
[40:54] You know,
[40:57] on you mentioned.
[40:59] Solar for electrical.
[41:01] How does that apply to this budget?
[41:05] It won't apply to this budget.
[41:08] Mm-hmm , it may apply to our residents budgets personally,
[41:11] as we go forward when we have recommendations. So if
[41:14] there's a savings that we can apply.
[41:16] And let's and don't hold me to these numbers.
[41:20] But I'm just saying figuratively, let's say you're your monthly
[41:23] electric electricity bill is a hundred dollars a month.
[41:27] And if we now have that as part of the
[41:29] umbrella of under the town's.
[41:32] Town's solar solar system or, or solar.
[41:35] Solar ecosystem, not solar system. Well, the planets, but you
[41:38] get the gist.
[41:41] Then we could look at that and say, okay, if
[41:42] we could half that.
[41:45] Say you end up telling residents. Okay. If you had
[41:47] a one bedroom.
[41:48] One bedroom unit, your electrical bill will now be $50
[41:51] a month.
[41:53] And then we'll put that into a sinking fund to
[41:54] help us.
[41:55] On the capital expense, or if you had a two
[41:57] bedroom unit, let's say it's 70 bucks a month or
[42:00] something.
[42:01] Something along those lines because of it'll be a significant
[42:04] savings of what they're currently paying for their electrical bills.
[42:07] So that may be a benefit to our residents.
[42:10] Residents when we get to that point, but we can't,
[42:11] we don't want to book it right now cuz we're
[42:13] not sure.
[42:15] What that number looks like. Understood.
[42:17] But I think it's a, it's, it'll be a, it'll
[42:20] be a future discussion, but.
[42:21] So one to understand that. So there may be a
[42:24] savings later this year that we could come forward with
[42:26] and say, you know, we can take this all under
[42:29] the umbrella of the town.
[42:30] Town's electrical pattern and
[42:33] our residents could look at us savings in their own
[42:34] personal individual budgets, but we just need to figure out
[42:37] what that number looks like.
[42:38] I understand. Thank you. Yep. Thanks for the questions.
[42:42] Questions, any other questions?
[42:45] Questions. I okay. I just wanted to point out that
[42:49] the.
[42:50] The loan for the kitchens.
[42:53] Kitchens that is
[42:56] done in two years. Is that correct? Yes. So then.
[43:00] Maybe that would open up an opportunity to look for
[43:04] another loan to, to finance.
[43:07] Some big project or you would just transfer into a
[43:10] savings yeah. Over in the budget overall. Yeah, we could,
[43:13] we could. Thanks.
[43:15] Mr maser for that question. It's.
[43:17] That's a very good observation. And I think we could
[43:19] look at that.
[43:21] Either as a savings or something, we could book for
[43:23] our reserves as wealth.
[43:25] In the future, but it wouldn't be as great. We
[43:26] could, we could reduce that somewhat, but also.
[43:29] Let's just say
[43:31] improve our, our savings account in the event that we
[43:34] had to do new sightings or roofing or windows.
[43:37] Or all the above at some point.
[43:40] Because I remember when capital reserve was a little healthier,
[43:43] so that would be good. Yep. So we, we need
[43:45] to get there. .
[43:49] I just have one thing to say. Yep.
[43:52] I think that the information that's been put together here
[43:55] is, is excellent. And I think that we have to
[43:58] remember when we talk.
[44:00] About increases and what's happened in the last three or
[44:02] four years in terms of all of the increases that
[44:05] we've seen.
[44:06] In housing, which is why it's so difficult to get
[44:09] to affording affordable housing.
[44:11] We're talking about 30 units here and it's a lot
[44:15] of real estate. It's a lot of.
[44:18] It's a lot of things that could potentially go wrong.
[44:20] It's a lot of driveways. It's a lot of garages.
[44:22] It's a lot of kitchens. It's a lot of.
[44:25] Everything and
[44:28] to me.
[44:30] Just with seeing what's happened over the last few years.
[44:33] The increases in the proposed.
[44:35] Expenses that have been put together here.
[44:39] Are prudent.
[44:43] Again for 30 units.
[44:45] So thank you for your work. Thanks Ms. Eel.
[44:49] Any other comments on the proposed budget?
[44:52] Okay, can I entertain a motion for the.
[44:55] Proposed budget is presented by the town manager.
[44:59] I moved to accept the budget for the coming year
[45:02] as proposed by the town manager.
[45:05] Second second, second. .
[45:09] Any, any further discussion?
[45:14] All in favor.
[45:17] Opposed.
[45:19] Okay. All right. So
[45:22] at this point in time, we will.
[45:24] Start the discussion for the rent increase.
[45:27] Any other further print comments around the rate rent increase.
[45:31] I think you also wanted a.
[45:34] Motion to approve the rate increase. Yeah, that's what we're
[45:37] starting right now. So any, any further discussions on the
[45:39] renting proposed rent increase?
[45:41] Yeah, that too high, but that's all right.
[45:44] I will move acceptance of the manager's.
[45:49] Manager's manager suggestion of a 4% increase. Okay. Do I
[45:53] have a second?
[45:54] Second. Okay. Any further discussion?
[45:58] Okay. All in favor.
[46:01] Unanimous.
[46:03] Okay. So now we are to general public comment.
[46:08] Anything else you would like to say that we haven't
[46:10] gone over today so far and Mr. Veil, thank you
[46:12] so much for.
[46:15] This wonderful service. We're bringing the mic around. I appreciate
[46:17] that. no swearing. I, Mr. Styles, classmate.
[46:23] Yeah, college classmate of mine.
[46:26] On the issue of
[46:28] cleaning the
[46:31] the heating.
[46:33] Units for the gas. It's a great.
[46:37] It's I think it's just great. They get cleaned.
[46:41] And there was a time when.
[46:44] The lawnmower people hit.
[46:46] Hit one and rich.
[46:49] His and rich called in and we had, we had
[46:52] to evacuate our places and stand outside and couldn't even
[46:56] go back.
[46:57] In and get our jewelry box or our pocket, our
[47:00] pocket books.
[47:02] Pocketbooks. And it was very scary. And tho tho it
[47:05] makes me feel very good to know that those gas
[47:08] units are being serviced.
[47:11] Serviced. I look at that little.
[47:13] Gas unit on the back of the building.
[47:15] And it just is a big comfort to know money's
[47:18] being spent to clean that up.
[47:23] thank you.
[47:28] Again, if you could say your name and what I
[47:30] know where you're from, but there are people on TV
[47:32] that may just be tuning in. They would.
[47:34] Love to know who you are. Hi, Nancy. Hussie again.
[47:37] I wonder if it's possible to replace the battery.
[47:41] In the thermostats.
[47:43] Thermostats when they come in and do the other batteries.
[47:47] For the smoke alarms. I had to call Tom out
[47:50] this past winter.
[47:52] Because I didn't know how to change them. and
[47:54] I had no heat and God bless them. He came.
[47:57] But I hated bringing him out to do it. And
[48:00] I just wondered if it could be on a cycle.
[48:03] And it just do it when the other batteries are
[48:05] done. That's a, that's a great suggestion. I see that
[48:08] Christina's typing and Chris's writing. So I think that's.
[48:11] That's something we can we'll make note of that. That's
[48:13] a good idea. Great suggestion. I know you have a
[48:15] big budget for batteries. we do. We had a
[48:18] couple of double ass.
[48:19] A's hanging around. .
[48:25] Any other public comment.
[48:30] Oh,
[48:31] Mr veil.
[48:34] Two carpets. The lions club has a.
[48:38] A committee for community service and, you know, we might
[48:42] not be outta line to.
[48:44] Engage with the lions club and spend, you know, a
[48:47] Saturday afternoon.
[48:49] Down at Hawthorne court and, and, you know,
[48:52] going through everybody's units and, and, you know, helping out
[48:54] with whatever.
[48:56] Things they might need.
[48:58] Might be time well spent for everybody.
[49:01] On another note, we talked about bill. I, I, I
[49:04] wanted to follow this.
[49:05] We talk about maintenance on a, on a gas.
[49:09] Heaters and stuff like that. We have a gas tank
[49:11] up on the hill here.
[49:13] And we're about ready to expand that gas tank.
[49:17] To double the size and it never.
[49:20] Goes empty.
[49:22] So just think about filling up your car.
[49:25] And, and you don't have to refill it.
[49:27] Eh, the price is
[49:29] fixed the cost of the filling of gas tank will
[49:32] never go up.
[49:34] So one of the things that we are gonna explore
[49:37] over the next year, once we have the, the, the
[49:39] solar, the additional solar panels online.
[49:43] Is what the capacity is.
[49:45] And so one of the things we're, we're thinking about
[49:48] doing.
[49:49] Has converting the heating systems.
[49:51] I honor Hawthorne court to heat pumps, electrical. So.
[49:57] He had gained two things. One, you don't have to
[49:59] worry about the cost of the fuel oil or the
[50:01] gas fluctuating.
[50:03] It's it's a fixed cost, you know?
[50:05] We, what we do have to partake in account is
[50:07] the, the upfront cost, the capital cost of, of changing
[50:11] the equipment. But it's it.
[50:14] It's it's an opportunity for the town to.
[50:17] Provide not only in, in Hawthorne court, but in all
[50:21] of our buildings that are municipally owned, as you know,
[50:26] equipment wears out, replacing it with heat, pumps that heat
[50:29] and cool. And, and the energy to run it is
[50:32] provided by our, our solar farm.
[50:34] So I think
[50:37] you know, just making note of one other thing, the
[50:40] idea of, of, you know, in the old days, when
[50:42] you had an oil burner, you could get it up
[50:44] and running.
[50:45] With a $3 part, you know, those days are gone.
[50:49] It's, you know, a service call is a thousand dollars
[50:52] today. It's.
[50:53] It's, you know, it's
[50:56] it's it's a complexities of the, the, the.
[51:00] All the switching gear and, and the, the.
[51:03] Electronics it's
[51:05] it's it's it's serious money. So.
[51:07] I support the, the path that we're headed and the
[51:10] maintenance.
[51:12] Yes. I, I do cringe at that $40,000 too. But.
[51:16] I think we can we'll we'll work towards.
[51:20] Towards transferring over to heat pumps.
[51:22] Pumps. Thank you, Bob. Thank you.
[51:27] Any other public comment.
[51:31] Anything else from you, Mr. Manager, Mr. Mr. Bock or
[51:35] Christina?
[51:36] The town rests, Mr. Chairman. Okay, great. Any other bird
[51:40] board comments before we ask for AOR?
[51:43] Okay. I have a motion to Ajo. Do we need
[51:45] to set a new, another meeting date or we be
[51:48] leaving up to Christine.
[51:53] What is your favor?
[51:55] What is my favorite mm-hmm I like dealing with
[51:57] her I, I think she is so darn efficient.
[52:01] I think it would really great to leave it.
[52:03] In her capable hands .
[52:05] Cuz, you know, if I schedule the meeting, I'll be
[52:07] late to it. .
[52:11] So this move we adjourn. Can I have a second?
[52:15] Second.
[52:17] Hey, all in favor.
[52:19] Okay. It's NIS. Meaning is over.
[52:21] Thank you all for coming. Really? It's great to see
[52:23] you all.