[7:54] All right, please. [7:57] I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the [8:03] republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and [8:11] justice for all. [8:17] » Council President >> here. [8:20] » Council Vice President Michael >> here. [8:22] » Council member Joerger >> here. [8:25] » Council member Ed >> here. [8:27] » Council member Andy here. >> Okay. Next up on the agenda is the uh [8:33] consent agenda. register [8:37] sanuss [9:00] » no we um we do the payroll in house now which you're not [9:04] those because those are all usually processed through paycheck [9:09] but we've taken that um inhouse with the so we made those payments ourselves [9:18] » yes it is the that is the security [9:28] » okay anybody else have any questions on the [9:34] So second I have a motion and second [9:39] additional discussion. All those in favor signify by saying I [9:44] otherwise have citizen comments [9:50] staff reports. Captain sir good shiny. Thank you very much for you. [9:57] » Thank you. Uh we had some recent staff changes which opened a super supervisory [10:01] position for night shift. After a small in-house [10:06] application process, we have appointed John Hartley as a sergeant for B nights, [10:12] not to be confused with Landon Harley, who is already a sergeant on Bdays. So, [10:18] we're excited for him and he's getting started with some of that supervisory [10:21] training. Now, some of our officers participated in the [10:25] street racers detail with IP and state police back on August 21st. [10:30] Uh that's through grant money through the state. Those kind of spinners, those [10:34] vehicles that take over the intersections. During that, our one of [10:37] our officers spotted a reckless vehicle, stopped him. We were able to get a [10:42] serious violent felon in possession of a firearm off the street as well as a [10:46] driving arrest that was actually very close to town. [10:51] We've had a couple of recent breakins and thefts around Arthur overton that [10:54] area. We have a couple leads that we're following up on trying to see if we can [10:59] gather out of that. We did have a firearm that stolen out of that. So, [11:03] obviously that's kind of important for us to try to get back. We picked up our [11:07] Polaris Ranger today. Um it was outside if anybody wants to do that. We have to [11:12] get decals down still and then we're going to incorporate that into our [11:16] driving training that will be coming up. Speaking of that, we have driving [11:20] training later this month at the Marian County Fairgrounds. We've started a [11:23] partnership with them and using some of their grounds they have when it's [11:28] nobody's there. So that's very helpful that it's a nice large space. There's [11:30] several different structures that we can use kind of elevate our training a [11:34] little bit. We did stops which is traffic stops training there a couple [11:38] weeks ago. Um got a lot of positive feedback from that. use our simulation [11:42] firearms and Sergeant Landon Hartley conducted that training for us and again [11:49] we got a lot of good feedback from our officers saying they liked it. So [11:53] trailer retreat coming up on October 17th 3 to 5 [11:58] and chief wanted to mention that we are coming up on the 25th anniversary of the [12:02] terrorist attacks on September 11. >> That's all I [12:08] appreciate. [12:12] We uh been digging into insurance both on the benefits and liability side quite [12:17] a quite a bit. Um we get benefits meeting earlier with a somewhat quite [12:23] trivial things. We're have a little bit of a tough year but we [12:28] have some ideas on changes that will help that out for next year. On the [12:33] liability side since we changed brokerage we've probably been meeting [12:36] with Epic talking or meeting about times a week. [12:41] We found a lot there to make changes on pretty significant got feedback. Not the [12:46] worst I've seen. So that's that's a good good bar. But we are going to try to [12:52] rewrite go to 111 with our liability insurance the same way we do with our [12:57] health insurance on the same term. So everything was up beginning of the year. [13:02] Um separately uh from that uh the Indiana School Management Association [13:10] uh is awarding the town an award at the leadership lunchon they have for [13:18] professional management leadership community partner award. I am the [13:20] president of that board. I want to be on record that I did not nominate [13:25] that look questionable and the president [13:29] boards getting award. So they they select Cumberland for [13:35] promoting professional management of government in the state of Indiana. [13:40] Then also December chamber chooses four communities from the nine county region [13:46] to highlight and spotlight every year. So beginning of December, they are going [13:52] to do spotlight on County Cumberland for their fourth quarter event here at town [13:57] hall, but it's a ticketed event that the chamber puts on. So they're going to [14:03] probably bring in some extra chairs and things for that. We are allowed to [14:08] reserve x amount of tickets for those that want to attend from our [14:12] organization. That will be right before as well as [14:17] couple days before that. [14:21] pretty pretty excited about that. We're getting somewhat of a regional [14:25] recognition on the current initiatives right now. Then Christine and her staff [14:30] been working with the businesses. They had the sunflower festival over the [14:33] weekend. We got really good feedback on that. [14:41] All the residents that attended all [14:48] Thank you, sir. Public hearing additional [14:52] appropriations. Is that correct? [14:57] Open the public hearing. [15:07] Close the public hearing on appropriations. [15:11] Okay. Old business consideration ordinance 20269. [15:15] Sir, you're ahead of you right now. You're fine. [15:22] » Good afternoon. Um, this is ordinance 126-9. Um, it was introduced at the last [15:28] council meeting. So, I'll be brief. Uh, this ordinance is up for vote today. It [15:33] is an ordinance appropriating additional funds to the budget of the county [15:38] with a grand total to7,000. [15:44] I will be happy to answer any questions. [16:02] Motion that we approve amendment 2026. [16:17] » Have a motion second. Additional discussion. All those in favor signify [16:20] by saying I. I. I. Thank you so much. Thank you. [16:28] Okay, we have a public hearing for NX 5821 and 5823 West US40. I'll open the [16:36] public hearing for that. [16:43] See [snorts] comments I'll close the public hearing [16:48] business in the ordinance 2026-10 properties. Miss [16:55] » Thank you. Um this is the ordinance uh introduction for the annexation of the [17:01] property that we just told you about hearing on. This is just for [17:04] introduction this evening. Just to refresh your memory, this property is [17:10] where houses and the industrial [17:14] just buying it. So one of the lots is already in town while the area next in [17:19] town and so two lots [17:25] of impact essentially >> correct. [17:41] All right. Any questions, comments? This only for only this evening. [17:48] All right. Number two, consideration resolution 2026-09. [17:54] » Yes. Um, so this is the resolution that adopts the fiscal plan for the laws that [17:59] we just discussed. These are existing buildings. There's no proposed [18:03] improvements on it. Um, so it's very minimal. [snorts] [18:10] Any questions? All [18:23] right. Any questions? This is an actual resolution. [18:37] Resolution 26-09. [18:47] I have a motion and second. Any additional discussion? [18:52] All those in favor signify by saying I. I. Oppos. Otherwise have [18:59] this open. You're on a run tonight. House Bill 101, the housing audit [19:04] presentation. >> Yes. Um so I'll be brief. [19:09] Um you have a copy of report as well as the presentation that was provided to [19:15] commission in the council chair. I also added a copy of the draft minutes from [19:19] commission the other night. No one attended the public hearing. I do know [19:24] watched since then. I'm just going to highlight a couple of [19:29] things that are in the in the PowerPoint. Um so one is the findings. [19:35] There are five kind of key findings that staff found as we analyzed um the [19:40] ordinances as it relates to the house 101 those nine factors they have asked [19:46] us to look at. So over the last five years [clears throat] all of our res [19:53] that does tend to indicate to us that our ordinances are likely updated for [19:56] what is being constructed. Number two, [20:01] um none of the projects that were approved over the last five years would [20:05] actually get permitted in our R1 or R4 districts, which are single family [20:10] districts. They some of the standards would fit in [20:14] our R5 or R six, but those are multif family districts or single companies not [20:18] allowed. So, we do have some inconsistencies there. Um we do not [20:23] permit residential in any of our commercial districts. So when you're [20:26] talking about mixed use and some of those things, we are starting to see [20:30] more communities include residential in some of their lower impact districts, [20:35] but we do not allow that. Our middle housing districts are where we allow the [20:40] most flexibility right now. Um, and lastly, the the typologies we have our [20:46] comprehensive plan don't line up with our zoning district. So again just [20:50] another inconsistency indicating that it's time for school amendments which as [20:56] you'll recall we have contracted with HWC to do an update to our unified [21:00] development ordinances control ordinance that's something that [21:05] has started and will be completed by the end of next year. So a lot of the nine [21:10] uh the items in that n those nine categories that we've been asked to look [21:15] at will really get analyzed deeper as part of that process and looked at. But [21:20] there are some recommendations that I just want to highlight that we'll be [21:24] looking at this year and then some of the things that we'll analyze next year. [21:28] So one is some process changes. Um the plane commission um would like to look [21:35] at establishing a plaque committee. This is a smaller board. It takes the [21:40] subdivision plat out of the plan commission to the smaller committee. Um [21:44] it allows us to be a little bit more efficient, put some timing off on there [21:50] and it does require us to have a minimum of one commission member there and the [21:54] plan commission makes the appointment to that committee. Um it does require [21:59] amendments to the ordinance. So we're in the process of drafting those. Those [22:03] would be to go to P commission and then they would make recommendation to [22:06] council ultimately council will make a determination of whether or not that is [22:10] something um that you guys want to do. We're also recommending some things to [22:16] expedite your development plan process. Um right now we require public hearing [22:21] for that. However, under state code, we're not required to do that. So one [22:25] that requirement we think needs to be [22:28] modified. And then also um under Indiana code, the legislative body can designate [22:34] that to the commission staff. A hearing be committee or commission. So we're [22:40] recommending that that be a staff approval and that in fact we use our T [22:45] committee which is our technical advisory committee with our engineers [22:48] and department heads on it to um review those development plans. So those two [22:54] changes will allow us um to save um a couple of on each of those processes. So [23:01] ultimately we could be saving developers potentially a month if they're required [23:05] of those. Um for the zoning recommendations, one [23:10] of the things that we'll be recommending this year as part of our transition um [23:16] we'll be bringing development changes so that we have zoning districts for our [23:21] Marian County properties um that we don't a lot of legal non-conforming [23:26] uses. And what we found is instead of a bunch of new districts. We believe we [23:30] can make some modifications to our R5 and R six zoning districts that will [23:36] solve a lot of those issues. Um that also lines up with some of those [23:41] inconsistencies I identified in our findings. So we'll be looking at [23:46] allowing single family in our five and our six and then also um modifying some [23:52] of the speakers in there. That's something that will be coming back to PL [23:57] council um late fall and that this year for consideration and that will put us [24:04] in a good position um as we become an excluded town January one to be able to [24:10] administer those comprehensive control ordinances um consistently on [24:16] both sides post on the entire town regardless of what county [24:21] and then um There's many items that we are asked to look at. Architectural [24:26] standards, parking, um a lot of our development standards, [24:32] um allowing different residential typologies. [24:38] Those items really deserve adequate study with our comprehensive plan [24:43] nearing completion. It's going to go through the approvals process this fall. [24:48] We're preparing for this Uno transition. We have HWC under contract to update our [24:54] unified development ordinances. We think if we would be if we asked you to make [24:58] changes now, we would be reacting um to kind of a suggestion versus doing a [25:05] really good study to make sure we're being consistent with what our community [25:08] is asking us to look at and give thoughtful study of these of what the [25:16] standards should be in these districts. So, we're recommending that the [25:20] remaining items be analyzed and considered as part of our uh update to [25:27] the development board. That is a quick version of highlights of [25:34] what is in um our audit on housing. Um ultimately, I think we have some good [25:40] things in there with our housing, but we also do have some things that we know we [25:43] need to address and there are some opportunities for efficiency. So, um, [25:48] you're required under this new act to hold a public hearing on this, which we [25:53] did at commission reporting back to the council and then we'll report to the [25:57] state that we have this hearing and our findings. [26:03] » I have a couple questions. When I reviewed the PowerPoint, I did [26:08] have some concerns. very first one was on [26:14] lot sizes lot sizes that causes me concern [26:20] and I know it was also house bill that was addressed as to what type of [26:28] house it will bring the second concern was it is odd it looks like now from R1 [26:34] to R4 now they're back to pushing double triplexes [26:40] that they were so against that. And the third thing, yeah, [26:45] » the market is the market is cyclical. So, if you do this long enough, as many [26:51] as of us have watched the housing market, [26:54] » you see what is old is new again. >> Yeah. [26:58] » And so I I agree. When I first started out, you know, 25 years ago, R1 was [27:05] single family, R2 was single family, delex, R3 was single family, delex, [27:09] triplex, R4, and it went on. We got to a point where it was like all single [27:14] family, everything else is mult. [27:20] The other thing I thought was interesting was on R5, R six [27:25] » because now they're looking at rather than having industrial zone area. Now [27:31] we're shifting to able to put residential in there and doing almost a [27:37] fixed use. I found that very interest. [27:43] » Yeah. You know, a lot of the things you [27:45] brought up is one of the reasons why a lot of those development standards we're [27:49] recommending we take under consideration as part of our new process that to come [27:56] in and make a quick decision. Now, I don't feel like we're doing the [27:59] community justice. Um, we also haven't adopted the comprehensive plan yet and [28:05] we want to make sure whatever we adopt with our standards aligns with that [28:08] comprehensive plan. And so while these are things that we're being asked to [28:13] analyze, I think that's exactly what we need to do is analyze them and then [28:17] determine based on our community's guidance what's appropriate for us [28:22] » and then ultimately if this, you know, we're going to do [28:26] whatever the state requires of us, >> we'll probably have a new law by next [28:29] July anyways. >> I know that's I guess that's where I was [28:32] heading. >> Yeah. [28:34] I sit on the House Rep's summer housing committee that is carrying this [28:41] legislation now. It's not the same legislator as last year. The House [28:46] leadership, the governor's administration moved it to the House [28:49] Rep. [28:55] And we were having really good conversations, but then it moved back to [28:58] the national agenda after they their summer national conferences. [29:05] So it's like they get in the chamber. So I came back in really good collaborative [29:10] space and then after they went to their summer conferences they came back to [29:14] basically 101 items. [29:19] We're trying to work more into talking about incentives and less about regular [29:32] [clears throat] [29:38] » I do think it's good to take it under adisement and evaluating [29:45] other things come spring. [29:50] And when it comes to like a lot size concern, there's lot size, there's [29:53] density, there's also form based code which gets away from those things, but [29:57] it has other standards in place to get to what you want design. So it's [30:02] important that we look at this comprehensively from all those different [30:06] angles to figure out what's best for our community instead of just automatically [30:10] like check something like let's do. So I'm [30:16] not These things are necessary things we should do. These are things that [30:28] » Thank you so much, [30:33] » Mr. Consideration of 2026 [30:38] radio and ramp ADA analysis. [30:52] That's okay. [30:58] [clears throat] [31:07] Analysis. [31:10] [clears throat] The agreement is for 21,000 [31:18] exceed 21,000 [clears throat] walk down rail sidewalks on a five scale [31:26] similar to scale [31:31] also analysis as well. [31:38] happy answer any questions you have on >> and when I read it I was thinking it was [31:44] a lot more subjective than what it was they have some decent standard on how [31:47] they scale correct >> yes [31:53] what the characteristics of each number [32:01] » there's a national engineering standard for the sidewalk analysis similar to [32:06] phaser A lot of people [32:10] think it's a little bit more subjective. I forced these two to do a class [32:15] recently. So really on how those things actually are [32:36] » contract Do I have any questions? [32:41] » 21,000 is not to exceed. [32:50] » I was just going to say it sounds expensive to me when it's done as to [32:54] what what they find. It's been about 15 years since we've done a complete town [32:59] to we've been working that entire time year about 60,000 or so you guys budget [33:06] sidewalks but it's really time for an update so we can refocus [33:12] those projects [33:21] contract. [33:27] Will they break will they break down just general [33:31] repairs versus ADA um deficiency [clears throat] or [33:38] deficiencies in the ADA [33:42] reports? >> Well, it's all going to be rated within [33:45] our GIS system the same way we do. that five analysis will be on there, but [33:52] those numbers like on ADA will trip specific stuff like will be a priority [33:56] one to do. Um, but you you have your condition deterioration and things in [34:02] that because that all turns into ADA is considered because [34:07] a tripping hazard cracking those type of things. So, it's [34:11] all through the lens of ADA and then severity. [34:15] like a general repair [34:19] because that will become at some point probably a trip or hazard [34:26] » bottom line we're completed the audit now the audit [34:35] audit >> yeah we're completing it right now as [34:37] long as we have an annual plan we're making progress towards ABA that [34:43] we [34:46] But how long will this take? >> I don't know when it'll probably [34:54] four weeks and then we'll probably administration. [35:15] This is an action. [35:24] We approve the [35:28] contract [35:33] $21,000 about 15 $21,000 and the timing [35:41] and sign [35:45] motion is second compensation. All those in favor signify by saying I I [35:52] » no eyes out. Thank you, [35:55] » Mr. Lips. Looks like the rest of the evening is yours. [36:01] [clears throat] [36:10] » First before you use ordinance 2026-11. This would add several definitions to [36:15] your code as well as some fines and a lot of roadway and trail regulations. [36:22] driver for this has been a lot of calls and complaints about post calls, kids on [36:27] scooters, emotives, things like that, trails, neighborhoods, post calls on [36:32] trails, post calls in the neighborhood. Kind of defines that. It's not uh [36:37] procluding like your typical ebikes, things like that. It's more focused on [36:42] some of the emotives and making sure people that are driving on our roadways, [36:47] that are experienced drivers train to drive [36:52] A lot of it doesn't repeal a whole lot of code other than some of the parks [36:57] code would change a little bit through this, but there's a fine section. [37:02] Otherwise, if we move forward with this, we'll add new trail signage and rule [37:07] signage entrances throughout the trail is kind of on our radar to do anyways. [37:12] Um we want to put these new regulations very clearly have entrances to [37:17] our trails. It does regulate roadways as well [37:25] enough to operate on the roadway and follow all safety regulations. See more [37:30] and more kids and I said scooters particularly ebikes just blowing [37:35] intersections and I get hit by cars. So scary stuff like that. [37:42] particularly wide spots of the trail [37:48] of that nature introduction tonight only. [37:52] » You might have questions over 2026-1 did you [37:58] read a lot of other neighborhoods? >> I always research what's being done in [38:04] the area. It's pretty hot issues. So pretty much all Indiana [38:13] recently [38:16] recently look at those based on complaint where [38:22] those [38:26] is just defining some regulations not really procluding [38:31] things entirely except for greens trails sidewalks [38:41] in those fines get some revenue back towards [38:44] [snorts] >> I have a couple questions. Um, what's [38:47] the difference between multi-use trails and our greenway trails? [38:52] » Multi-use trail would be like your perimeter trails and things like that [38:58] like you know branch corner has a trail around the outside of it that be a [39:01] multi-use trail whereas the greenways are [39:06] Py trail things are listed in there. >> Okay. [39:11] Just really don't know how somebody would be able to tell the difference [39:15] like >> but like these scooters [39:20] are allowed on sidewalks. They can go 15 or 20 miles hour. [39:27] » Yeah. >> And then I guess they're allowed on the [39:31] multiuse trails. Am I correct? [39:36] » You are correct. And some of that is to keep them out of the roadways. [39:41] So there's certain areas where you don't want them in the roadways. [39:46] Transit is a thought. So that's why most communities have gone in that direction. [39:51] I just don't know how anybody reading it could tell the difference like oh well [39:57] you know multi-use trail that's they're thinking they can get on the trail [40:01] » but and then on the sidewalks >> it it does break out um [40:08] in definitions at the top [40:12] » the greenway specifically being trail by trail [40:16] » yeah I saw >> multiuse [40:19] » I didn't know what the multi We use blocks. [40:23] » Yeah. It's those groups of 8 ft or wider that are not the designated water [40:29] greenway trails because typically your greenway trails are more of your large [40:34] most interconnected network whereas a lot of times your multi-use path is your [40:40] off-road pedestrian cyclist safe transit to keep people out of the roadway. [40:45] » Okay. >> Kind of like [40:50] 700 or something. >> That's right. [40:52] » Okay. >> That's not your major recreational [40:55] trail. It's more of your pedestrian cyclist. Don't be in the road here [41:00] preferably for >> So we put signs up or we are regular [41:05] trails and we put you know it will list like no. [41:11] » Yep. We didn't break it completely out. >> Exactly. Put everything there. We put it [41:16] at every entrance was one of the things I was talking with the PD about because [41:20] they already have some confusion. So whether you're looking at stuff already [41:23] because a lot of our neighborhood connectors don't have trailer rules [41:26] coming in. So there's some people who may never go to a trail head but use our [41:30] trips all the time. So they're not actually seeing those rules. [41:34] » Yeah, I think that's a good idea. [41:39] » Anybody else? >> Okay. Introduction ordinance 2026-12 [41:48] policy. >> Our briement policy we've operated under [41:52] for years doesn't have a lot of clear definitions and it's been not uniformly [41:57] applied in different situations. It's an area where there's been times complaints [42:01] from supervisors and staff. So the aim of this ordinance is to clean up those [42:06] definitions and be very clear as to um what can happen where so there's not [42:11] debate. It also kind of tries to pull the supervisors out of it HR. So there's [42:16] less of that um just inter department struggle and face within that looked at [42:23] surrounding communities kind of what their policies are a lotments and basic [42:42] reason I like it very close rel [43:04] I did like that change the policy I thought that was more than fair [43:13] about how many comments policy. [43:18] Okay. Final ordinance 2026-13 adopting employee ethics policy. [43:27] » Yes. This would kind of take some state policies and put it into employee ethics [43:31] policy. Further define that, expand upon that. Um it's also part of transparency [43:36] initiative on different processes and takes in account historic HR complaints [43:41] other issues as we kind of gone through and finally HR a little bit more but the [43:47] goal is really just transparent government and making sure we're [43:51] practicing things ethically up and down clearly defining that to staff conflict [43:57] of interest other areas for [44:02] you did nice job on the 16 pages. I know the first four or five are on the [44:09] origins itself. I mean always to make relevant. I thought you did a [44:14] nice job trying to break it down different areas, different people, [44:18] different sections, different responsibilities [44:21] that [44:33] » council comments. [44:43] Um, I was an update on the church. Um, [44:48] specifically the way it looks like I've had people [44:54] call me and are just appalled. >> Yeah, we've been having some [44:58] conversations about that as well. Captain about it yesterday. He's getting [45:03] some action with the health department going. We start communicating with the [45:07] chief over there that's in charge of working with the health department. [45:11] the sheriff's office. >> So, [45:15] » are making strides on that since the fire has gotten a lot worse because [45:18] there was a fire on the western most building. It's really put a lot on the [45:23] eastern most building. We know there's some outstanding violations on current [45:27] owner and some other factors with current owner that be happy to talk with [45:33] you guys about meeting oneonone basis. [45:39] Appreciate reaching out kind of getting that ball rolling because we were [45:42] getting a lot of calls. I know councelor is getting a lot of calls and I talked [45:46] about it seeing if they could bring resources or he could lean on the health [45:50] department as well some of those items. >> Can the health department the one that [45:56] burned declar [46:01] » they did an order today on an inspection on the other one. [46:05] They have a judge's signature for that one and I think seven or eight day [46:10] evacuation of everybody should be done by a certain date and if it's not then [46:14] we can go. >> Both of them are just [46:16] » both. Yes. >> Yeah. The the one that had the fire is [46:19] supposed to be empty as of now. The other one they have several days to get [46:23] out and then we can kind of enforce that with the judges signature. [46:28] » Okay. [46:31] » Hopefully we can get them at least there. Last time I was grass to be cut [46:36] really bad. >> I highly doubt [clears throat] [46:40] » that is something that we need to get on to Mar County about [46:50] » we have leans and the city has leans and it's headed towards [46:54] » it like Indianapolis needs to cut it you know somebody needs to cut it clean up [47:01] trash >> I think the tax bills [47:14] I don't think she's trying aggressively to sell right [47:19] now. [47:22] She's trying to sell [47:26] in order to sell it. [47:30] » So when 27 something like that. We can deal with [47:36] that. [47:40] » Yeah. We can give them a certain amount of [47:44] time. They don't get it done. We can cut it and put on it. [47:47] » Yeah. [48:05] That's a good thing. [48:14] » Just finished building cracks yesterday. >> Excellent. [48:22] Okay. So then the paint later [48:30] color something else. >> We got blue. It's not perfect match for [48:35] the majority of the go and paint white stripes back over [48:42] the blue. >> Uh then [48:47] I talked to The most common thing I probably wasn't about criminal justice [48:53] stuff was about trash. We got that worked out January 1. Everybody's [48:58] garbage sitting in their driveway. We have Marian County worked out with the [49:02] city. They're still under contract for additional two years. We have the [49:06] documents out [49:14] back with them. If not, my recommendation was going [49:19] at the end of that contract term both sides. [49:27] » That's not unless we do a separate [49:32] expand. [49:36] might [49:40] » um I don't think we'll know something like that until November. [49:45] So it's it's difficult with administration changes and a lot of [49:49] department has also turned over the past six months not just the mayor's office. [49:56] a lot of people working [50:05] office pretty much every single department. [50:17] » Do you think anybody else? [50:22] » All right. >> You're going to have Everything that was [50:26] introduced tonight by budget introduction [50:31] public hearing the second [50:40] sustainability [50:45] We have lots of spreadsheets that [50:57] do [51:11] You know, >> keep Julia