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- It's, it's a need that I believe the municipality

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has a, a duty to explore.

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- Okay, bill. Yeah.

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And I, you know, I don't have much add to add to

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that other than that, you know, this is

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something that, right.

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We know this comp plan is coming to us. Right.

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And this is one of the key goals as it has been,

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is Bridget, you have spoke.

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It has been, and Steve will attest to, has been for years.

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So, you know, let's, let's take another swing at it.

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- Good. So it's four minutes of seven.

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We'll take a break till seven

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and we'll come back with the regular council meeting.

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- My head on a morning - Anymore.

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I'm the way I am. Good evening everybody,

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and welcome to the Monday, September 28th

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Town council meeting.

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We started off with a workshop on workforce housing at six

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o'clock and we'll call the meeting to order.

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First item on the agenda is the approval

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of minutes from September 14th.

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- I'll give you a motion to approve the minutes.

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- Motion by Jeff. A second. Second Andrew.

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All those in favor, counselor Filson is not here.

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She's home with sick kids and we wish her

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and the, the kids the best.

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Indeed. All right.

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The next item is the business organization highlight.

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Every week we try to highlight a Cumberland business,

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have 'em come in and explain what they do, who they are,

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what you know, where they are.

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And I'll turn this over to Councilor Magoon to introduce

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this week's presenter.

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- So we have Matt Altman from Main Street Auto here

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to like counselor e said, you know, give a little idea about

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who they're, who they're from, you know, all that.

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So I'll turn over to you.

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- Hello. Can you hear me? Excellent.

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Thank you for having me. My name is Matt Alami.

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I own and operate Main Street Auto, right here in Cumberland

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with my wife Kylie,

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and three other employees.

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We've been in business for six and a half years now.

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We have the location where we sell

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and detail vehicles at the corner of Wind Road

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and Route nine at 1 74 Main Street.

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And recently this year we were able to

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purchase 2 96 Main Street,

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which is the brick garage right across from the cemetery

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and high school from CN Brown.

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That's where we service all the vehicles.

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Yeah, it, it's, it's a, a great small community business.

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We've had wonderful support from the town of Cumberland

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and surrounding towns, north Yarmouth.

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My wife and I live right here in Cumberland

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and our lead mechanic is Alex Jennings who went to Greeley

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and lives in North Yarmouth.

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And we have Bruce, who's a Subaru mechanic

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and he lives in Yarmouth.

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And Tyler is our detailer

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and sort of jack of all trades from Gray.

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And the five of us, we work Monday

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through Friday taking care of people's vehicle needs

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and we love it.

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And you know, we've been blessed

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to do business in this community.

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So thank you all.

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I'll open it up to any questions anyone may have.

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- Plenty. - All inspections I assume.

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- State inspection stickers. Yep. Yes.

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Yes, we do five of those a day in the morning.

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- I'll ask you a quick question only 'cause Well Bob

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and I, Jeff grew up here.

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Yep. Do you still have the old PJ Brown air hose?

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- So we were for those, the Brown family ran that

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for a long, long time.

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what you found out back at the, the shop. We,

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- We actually have a tree that's about this big around

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that's grown up through the center of a tire.

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somebody wheeled that down the hill probably 40 years ago.

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- We offline. - Well thank you all for having me.

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Appreciate your time. Thank

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- You.

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Thank you Matt. Thank you for coming. Good as you.

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Matt.

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- Oh, Bob. - Sure. Sorry Matt.

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Matt, tech support we're speaking

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before we go to the manager's report.

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Thank, thank you Mr. Chairman. Mr.

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Bob story is here this evening to provide a quick update

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to the council on a recent installation of a monument

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at I got it.

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Yep. Thank you. I, and so I talked to Bob this morning

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and he wanted to come and just talk about

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some work that was done recently.

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And so I'll let him kick off my manager's

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component if that's good, Mr. Chair.

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- Thanks Matt. I'll try

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to be under three minutes this summer.

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I was contacted by Counselor Alack

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and he was down at Stiles Way, had the brush facility

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and he told me about an,

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a monument out in the, out in the weeds.

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And it was a veteran's monument. Here it is here.

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And took me two trips

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to find the damn thing when I went down looking, so I agreed

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with, with Jeff it should have a home somewhere.

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So recently I, I had, I had Chris Stilley

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put in a mon a foundation at, at

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and put a foundation in at the cemetery across from the gas

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station to set this monument on.

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And in addition, I had him put a pad in for a,

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for a bench.

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And I've rebuilt a bench that was at MOS side

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and got that in place as well.

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Put a few flowers beside this.

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It looks pretty nice and I, I never knew

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where this thing came from

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and I'll turn to Bob Vale in a minute

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and he'll tell me where it came from and,

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and so it's a nice little sitting area I've created right

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across from the gas station.

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Got a, see where the heck we are here.

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Come back. Okay. Sitting at the bench.

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This is looking towards the congregational church.

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You can see it's a pretty secluded little area.

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the sitting area we created.

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I I re-built a bench set the monument

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and it's, I think it's a nice little area to go

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and sit down, take a break.

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And I had noticed at first,

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but this monument was donated

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by the Cumberland North Amout Lions.

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Do you have any memory of it, Bob?

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- I I've been a member for over 40 years and I, I don't,

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- Yeah, okay.

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I I presume it came from the front

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of Moss side when we put the big, the big

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Veterans Memorial in, but I really don't know.

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So, but there it is.

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Like I say, it's, this is

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right directly across the gas station, the, the road

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that goes in and view to the church Again.

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That's, that's what it is.

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And nice little area if you're out walking, need a place

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to sit that jump into Any,

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any comments, Jeff, on

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I think it looks awesome and thank you for doing it,

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but the credit actually goes to Jesse Lamar.

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Vincent 'cause he just pointed it out to me

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and I just made a phone call, so I didn't really do much.

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- Yeah, Danny Borough brought it up to us.

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So we, I had a few people involved here.

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I had Danny had Chris Stilly and we, we got it done.

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it looks better here than it did in the weeds down at,

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down at the brush dump.

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- It's important stuff. Bob. Thank you.

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- Yeah. Okay. Thank

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- You.Thank you very much

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Mr.

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Manager. Jeff

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- Oh, go ahead.

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- Before you run out of the room there, Bob.

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The importance of a community

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or the reflection of a community isn't always in

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how shiny the firetrucks are

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or how much paint is spread on a building,

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but on the upkeep of its cemeteries.

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And you know, if you,

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if you lived in a community long enough that you know that

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a quick walk through a a cemetery,

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you're gonna find familiar names

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and you're gonna find the people that served on committees

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and, you know, were, were part of a, a fabric of a community

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and it's, it's just as re just as important

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to me is the upkeep of a cemetery.

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It is as our public buildings.

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And I noticed just the other day that there a couple

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of headstones were being set back up.

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So the, the work that goes on in our cemeteries is,

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is laudable. Thank you.

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- Yeah. We, we probably straightened at least 20,

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straightened out 20 straightened our repaired 20 stones

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crossing the gas station that in that cemetery this year.

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And so it's an ongoing thing.

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We repair stones every year due

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to frustration every year we, we, we pick at it

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and thanks to the council

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and now Matt and Bill Shane

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before him, as I've talked before,

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before Bill Shane, the cemeteries were not well funded.

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And thanks to all of you, we have ample funding now we,

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something comes up like this.

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I don't have to defer, defer for five years

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before I can can do it.

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I can jump right on it. Okay. Thank you.

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Thank you Officer. Mr. Manager.

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- Thank you Mr. Chairman. I've got some updates here from

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manager's report this evening.

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First one is of I think a high interest to a lot of folks

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last Octo or CMP line project update.

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Last October, CMP held an open house

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to provide information about its planned power line project.

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At that session, they committed

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to keeping the community informed

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throughout the review process.

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On Thursday, November 12th, they'll have another opportunity

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at 6:00 PM in this chamber.

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CMP will host another open house

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to share their updated project information

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and gather community feedback.

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We'll have additional feed, sorry, additional event details

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and in our future communications.

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But please keep an eye on our website

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and they'll also have to be doing their outreach to by,

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by ordinance to folks who will

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but it directly as well within 500 feet.

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But until that, put

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that date on your calendar if you would please.

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Solar field expansion update Council

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Vail will be interested in this.

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C mahar engineers were on site last week

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to lay out the solar array.

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Increased activities expected to begin this week,

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primarily involving equipment and material deliveries.

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The main racking delivery is scheduled for October 5th

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and will include three flatbed trucks and mobilization.

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Details are being finalized as subcontractors,

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but most truck and personnel activities expected

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to begin October 5th and increase throughout that week.

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So we should see a lot more happening.

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So thought you'd find that part good.

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Councilman Hallick Also

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regarding the question on the welcome to Cumberland Signs,

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they are getting a number

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of their materials delivered this week

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and we should start anticipating installation

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with Dan Byrne, his team this week as well.

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So thought you'd be happy to to hear that. Thank you.

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We have a very exciting day here tomorrow at Town hall.

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We have the fourth grade class will be coming to visit us.

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They're coming, they're coming

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for a local government learning experience.

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Students are gonna participate in a simulated election,

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hear a brief presentation from available department heads

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and meet North Yarmouth, town manager,

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Brit Barton and myself.

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The visit will also include a tour of town hall

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and if available and weather permitting

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and an opportunity to view a fire truck and ambulance

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and a police cruiser.

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So we're gonna start recruiting early for those departments.

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Another quick reminder

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because we wanna make sure everybody keeps

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us on their radar as well.

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Upcoming special trash and

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recycling events are about to happen.

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The confidential shredding event will be October 3rd,

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which is this coming weekend,

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universal waste event October 10th.

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And then the oversized drop off event will be October 17th.

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We'll have staffing there for folks if they need help in

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moving things that are larger.

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So we're always happy to help and our team is good to go.

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When it comes to that. All events will be held at the Drown

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Road facility, public Works garage at 23 Drown Road from

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9:00 AM to 1:00 PM

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Looking forward to the Cumberland Fair this week

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and hoping that the weather cooperates.

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We'll knock on wood on that.

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But the livestock auction is on Wednesday.

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I plan to attend that afternoon for the, for that

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livestock auction in support of the food bank.

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The event provides an opportunity to support these talented

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and hardworking young farmers,

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the four H and the food pantry.

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And I also wanna take a moment to extend my thanks

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to former counselor Ron Kopp and for his guidance

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and tutelage at last year's event where he showed me how

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to become a, a livestock purchaser.

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And it's pretty cool to see if you get a chance.

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Those kids are amazing. Regional collaboration

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event tomorrow night.

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The regional collaboration event will be held at

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the Falmouth Elementary School from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM

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The agenda includes updates on current initiatives ranging

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from administration to public safety.

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Participating in communities are gonna be Cumberland North,

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Yarmouth, Falmouth, Freeport, and Yarmouth.

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So Councilor Vail's been instrumental in pulling

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that together and looking forward

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to a good turnout tomorrow evening.

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So that should be fun. Staff recognition.

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Last Thursday, Cumberland's own tax assessor Clinton Sweat

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received the Assessor of the Year award from the main

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Association of Assessing Officers.

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I attended the event along with Bill Longley,

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our code officer Christina s Silverman, that admin assistant

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for the department and Whitney Hankin.

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The recognition reflects very well on Clinton

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and on Cumberland's Assessing office

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and we're proud to congratulate him on this achievement.

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Now we can say that we truly have an award-winning codes

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and assessing office with Bill

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and Clinton both being named their prospective assessor

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and code officer of the year over the past couple of years.

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So it's pretty great for them. And a nice, nice honor

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for folks dedicated to town of Cumberland Council.

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Had received a number of emails over the past couple

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of weeks regarding the, regarding the playground

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or that's planned for Twin Brook.

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And I thought I'd tried to,

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we got a few people here this evening,

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so it might be helpful to provide some additional

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info relating to that.

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Twinbrook is Cumberland's primary recreation hub

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and to host thousands of families annually,

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more than 500 soccer players

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and their families used the facility recently on

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Labor Day weekend underscoring the demand

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for recreation amenities at the site.

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Funding for the playground project was approved back in the

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fiscal year 24 25 budget.

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And the Parks and Recreation advisory Board

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formed a playground subcommittee.

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Now they've had two of those.

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One, one, they didn't come

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to a final consensus on it couldn't come to agreement

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so they, they put a pin in it based on recommendation from

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council liaison at the time

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and then came back at it last year.

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They created a new subcommittee

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that included the recreation director Pete Bingham,

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three advisory board members.

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And that group also included a certified playground

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inspector and a local municipal facilities director

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with experience overseeing multiple

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playgrounds installations.

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They did unanimously recommend a final design

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to the parks advisory committee at board in May

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and then those brought to the council

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for a presentation back in June.

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If you recall, the playground that they chose has been,

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has been, is manufactured by landscape structures,

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which is a nationally accredited manufacturer.

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The approximately 2,900 square foot design serves children's

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one and a half through 12 years old

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with distinct age appropriate elements.

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It focused a lot on accessible play

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for ground level components

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and sensory elements including textured panels,

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musical instruments

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and support play for children of variabilities.

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There's safety surfacing in there. There's poured in place.

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Rubber will be providing the firm stable slip resistant

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surface for children to walk on as other people to walk on

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and use or, or that matter if they have, if they are

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mobility impaired to use their wheelchair on

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and allows grade level entry without access to limited,

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limited to ramps or supports longer seasonal use

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and reduces maintenance material consideration

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that selected poured rubber is also PFAS free.

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There was some concern that was raised earlier on in email

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and I think there's some confusion on that,

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but it's been confirmed that the rubber

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that the argon used does not contain PFAS.

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The con the committee preferred

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that over engineered wood fiber

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because they had some concerns about potential PFAS with

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that or formaldehyde content

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and then containment requirements as in spilling outside

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of the contained area for their playground.

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And then needing ramp access to gain traction into the,

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into the facility as well as ongoing maintenance.

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And then site compatibility.

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The, the committee was, I thought they tried

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to be sensitive relating to that

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and chose earth tone color palette looking for it

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to be blending better into the Twin Brook park setting.

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So the final cost of the playground with the structure

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and the port surface was 196,000.

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It was fully funded in the 24 25 budget

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and purchasing was completed in July to secure pricing

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after the industry wide increases

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during the planning process had already reduced the amount

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by 20% just due to life in general since,

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since the COVID pandemic unfortunately.

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But I think the playground structure's been delivered.

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Installation is currently anticipated in the spring

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and staff looks forward to opening this new place space

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for Cumberland Families.

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So we do have all, all this.

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They provide us to the council as well as you've,

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I sent you all copies

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and it's available on our website, the site plan for that

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that was submitted to the town

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and shows the, the plans that were there.

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The one thing it does need to have will be a couple

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of benches will need to be installed,

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which weren't on the plan as well as some plantings

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that were also gonna have to be reviewed and installed.

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But I think they were holding off on making those decisions

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until they get to the point

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that they'll see what's gonna fit and what

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and how that's gonna cite before then.

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So that's all I have this evening.

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Mr. Mr. Chairman. Thank you

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- Mr.

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Manager. The next item is

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public discussion.

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Public discussion is for comments on the on items

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that are not on the agenda.

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Comments are limited to five minutes per person.

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Rebuttal comments will be limited to two minutes.

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Public discussion topics may be brought up again under new

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business for further council discussion.

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Is there anybody from the public who would like to

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go on up on item?

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Just if you would just introduce yourself and Sure, sure.

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- Hi, I'm Annie Witty, you guys can hear me. Hi Matt.

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This is in regards to an email.

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I'm taking this opportunity to talk

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to you all guys about the playground.

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I sent an email to the council too

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and I haven't heard from you.

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So this is sort of coming off of a little bit of

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what Matt's talking about in the email.

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I spoke of the twin Brooks playground

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as voted on June 28th, 2026

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with the rubber formed flooring making a rectangle

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format for expansion.

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After that vote there was only casual suggestions of benches

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planting or any dog issues actually weren't talked about.

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They were not talked about.

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The original playground committee, which was formed in 2023,

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had discussed all aspects of this very cool project.

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We're really excited about it.

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Spring 2025, we were at, we were in long,

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long discussions about ideas

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and we with Bill Shane thought that the company view shed

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of Yarmouth would create renderings, comparing our options

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and considering different elements

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to be part of this playground.

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At that time, the original committee was dissolved.

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Now I'm wondering that might be the pin.

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The pin was put in it.

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Another playground subcommittee was created without

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informing any of the original guys parks

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and recs took on the project.

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This happens, I'm not, you know,

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I understand these are big, weighty projects.

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It was extremely difficult though

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to get any information about the playground at that point.

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I'm confused how the transparency

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of this project got so shifted.

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I do understand that the vote happened possibly

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because the scale of the playground is 2,900 square feet.

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Therefore, a different set of requirements are needed.

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The equipment is here and it's slated to be built.

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Thanks Matt, for all this info.

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Now I still would like the council to consider the project

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and create a more cohesive plan.

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It's no secret that the beauty

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of Twin Brooks lies in the pastoral nature.

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While we need certain necessary manmade additions,

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the best elements of twin books are natural.

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In the past we tucked a maintenance building behind a berm.

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We added a barn instead of of a Quonset hut for shelter.

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And we chose split rail fencing instead of guardrails.

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And all the abutters have respected that vision.

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We should strive to maintain the feeling

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of this played planned playground.

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A playground is a great idea,

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but as we go forward, it's important

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to maintain Twin Brooks unique identity as in, in all,

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in all its projects.

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Thanks and thanks Matt for that information.

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I mean, I've seen other reports,

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but I just think this is a really

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important issue for the town.

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- Thank you man. Yeah, anybody else?

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- Come on up. Sarah.

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- Good evening. My name is Sarah Russell.

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I live on Tuttle Road and I also

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wanna comment on the playground.

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Matt, I appreciate the information that you brought tonight.

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I really regret the fact

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that this is probably the first time

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that anyone in this room is hearing about the playground,

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little too late for public input.

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And that's what I wanna talk to you about today is the lack

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of public input through this process.

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And I think it's a big oversight.

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As I wrote, I wrote up my comments.

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I have to use this open public comment period

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to talk about the playground

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because the playground was never in over two

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and a half years of planning submitted on a

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town council agenda.

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It was tucked inside a master plan,

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but it was never mentioned the play.

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The word playground was never mentioned in any agenda,

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making it near impossible for anyone to even know

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that it was in development, let alone the opportunity

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to ask questions or be involved.

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The process of the playground development was

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pretty messy from the start.

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And it ended in a process that offered no public outreach

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that silenced the voices of those few of us

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who asked questions along the way.

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And the end pro end product is

522
00:28:29,033 --> 00:28:31,734
what we will see this spring plastic components on top

523
00:28:31,734 --> 00:28:34,900
of poured rubber sitting in the view shed

524
00:28:35,066 --> 00:28:36,667
of the Twin Brook landscape.

525
00:28:37,667 --> 00:28:39,867
At the very first meeting of our playground committee,

526
00:28:39,867 --> 00:28:40,934
which I was on with Annie

527
00:28:41,066 --> 00:28:44,367
and a handful of other people, we were shown catalogs

528
00:28:44,367 --> 00:28:46,533
and asked to pick out play components, four swings

529
00:28:46,533 --> 00:28:48,934
or three, do we want a mid-size or tall?

530
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:50,900
And we said, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's slow down.

531
00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:53,533
Can we talk about the materials that we wanna use,

532
00:28:53,734 --> 00:28:57,233
the design that we wanna think about, possible plantings,

533
00:28:57,734 --> 00:29:00,133
location, the dog policy accessibility.

534
00:29:02,133 --> 00:29:04,734
None of that was willing to be addressed.

535
00:29:05,133 --> 00:29:08,033
We requested doing surveys to ask residents their thoughts.

536
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:11,500
We suggested a community meeting to brainstorm play ideas.

537
00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:15,133
We found a play expert to come to talk to the town for free

538
00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:18,667
about what makes a play space engaging and fun.

539
00:29:19,033 --> 00:29:20,233
We were really excited

540
00:29:20,333 --> 00:29:22,467
to take on this project and do this right.

541
00:29:23,266 --> 00:29:24,900
That was June, 2024.

542
00:29:25,133 --> 00:29:27,300
Our committee never heard from Parks and Rec again.

543
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:29,233
We were silently dismissed

544
00:29:29,734 --> 00:29:31,734
and apparently a new committee was formed.

545
00:29:32,266 --> 00:29:35,233
The original catalog oriented playground breezed

546
00:29:35,233 --> 00:29:36,533
through the application process

547
00:29:37,266 --> 00:29:40,533
by keeping the playground off of any town meeting agenda

548
00:29:41,934 --> 00:29:46,000
by being just under the max dimension of 3000 square feet,

549
00:29:46,066 --> 00:29:48,266
which would've required public input.

550
00:29:48,834 --> 00:29:52,033
The playground happens to be 2,990 square feet.

551
00:29:52,867 --> 00:29:56,100
And by to, by deciding not to notify Abutters,

552
00:29:56,700 --> 00:30:00,300
as we will hear later tonight, abutters deserve to be heard.

553
00:30:01,333 --> 00:30:02,834
So where was the oversight?

554
00:30:03,066 --> 00:30:05,934
How is a committee formed, voted on and approved

555
00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:08,567
and then banned with no accountability?

556
00:30:08,734 --> 00:30:10,233
This is what I don't understand.

557
00:30:10,333 --> 00:30:13,634
How is this happening in our town? How are we pouring?

558
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,100
I would, I'm calling it PFAS rubber into our beautiful twin

559
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:21,000
book Landscape Playground Places Only test

560
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,634
for 12 PFAS materials.

561
00:30:22,634 --> 00:30:25,133
There are over thousands of PFAS materials out there.

562
00:30:25,133 --> 00:30:27,300
They only test for 12. We have no guarantee that

563
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:29,100
that poured rubber is not gonna have PFAS in it.

564
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:32,700
Plus the rubber poured rubber, it gets up

565
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:34,934
to 50 degrees hotter than grass in the summertime.

566
00:30:35,867 --> 00:30:38,033
Do we have any budget for trees and shade?

567
00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:41,100
How have we not made a plan regarding dogs and kids?

568
00:30:41,867 --> 00:30:43,767
How did families with young children get cut

569
00:30:43,767 --> 00:30:44,867
out of the this process?

570
00:30:45,133 --> 00:30:48,100
How were families with disabled children not solicited

571
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:49,834
for input to make sure that there are components

572
00:30:49,867 --> 00:30:51,000
upon which their kids can play?

573
00:30:52,734 --> 00:30:56,000
So I stand here deeply disappointed my,

574
00:30:56,066 --> 00:30:58,467
a playground was budgeted, a committee was formed,

575
00:30:58,867 --> 00:31:00,467
the committee was silenced.

576
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:03,000
No effort was made to include the public.

577
00:31:03,934 --> 00:31:07,066
$190,000 was spent on materials

578
00:31:07,266 --> 00:31:09,700
before the application was even approved

579
00:31:10,133 --> 00:31:11,700
or abutters notified.

580
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:15,333
I would like to think that the town would take a hard look

581
00:31:15,333 --> 00:31:16,867
at how this process played out.

582
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:20,033
Robust committee involvement is essential

583
00:31:20,033 --> 00:31:22,100
to town participation and dialogue.

584
00:31:23,033 --> 00:31:25,500
I would also like to think that the town will consider some

585
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:29,066
changes to the current design landscaping plan.

586
00:31:30,033 --> 00:31:33,934
A robust dog policy, a look at the engineered wood fiber

587
00:31:34,433 --> 00:31:37,266
and assurance that there are play components for all kids

588
00:31:37,433 --> 00:31:40,100
to play a playground is a good thing at Twin Brook.

589
00:31:40,166 --> 00:31:41,233
I'm not against that, but,

590
00:31:41,233 --> 00:31:43,734
and a playground built with input from play experts,

591
00:31:44,133 --> 00:31:45,867
design experts, young parents

592
00:31:46,333 --> 00:31:48,300
and community members could have been really great.

593
00:31:49,166 --> 00:31:50,367
Thank you. Thank

594
00:31:50,533 --> 00:31:51,533
- You Sarah.

595
00:31:51,834 --> 00:31:52,834
Anybody else?

596
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:00,300
- Jesse Lamar. Vincent Range Road.

597
00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:03,133
So I normally don't come out to these things

598
00:32:03,133 --> 00:32:05,066
because I'm normally putting my kids to bed,

599
00:32:05,066 --> 00:32:06,367
but I dragged them out with me and they were

600
00:32:06,367 --> 00:32:07,767
playing some video games in the back.

601
00:32:08,734 --> 00:32:10,133
But I'll assure you, I watch most

602
00:32:10,133 --> 00:32:12,166
of these while I'm putting my kids to bed.

603
00:32:12,166 --> 00:32:13,634
So if you're wondering who one

604
00:32:13,634 --> 00:32:15,867
of the like eight people watching live

605
00:32:15,867 --> 00:32:17,100
on YouTube is, it's me.

606
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,533
So I can't stay and comment on on things later on.

607
00:32:21,533 --> 00:32:23,767
But I wanted to come 'cause I think it's important

608
00:32:23,867 --> 00:32:26,533
after watching a lot of these, you guys get a lot of flack

609
00:32:26,533 --> 00:32:27,567
and a lot of people come up here

610
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:29,166
because they're upset about something.

611
00:32:30,133 --> 00:32:31,634
You know, they've got an ax to grind

612
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:32,867
or they have a real concern

613
00:32:33,634 --> 00:32:36,166
and you guys have the tough task of threading the needle

614
00:32:36,233 --> 00:32:38,834
and doing what's right for the majority of people in town.

615
00:32:39,567 --> 00:32:41,767
You know, trying to weigh all the interests.

616
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,934
And I thought it was important to reflect that

617
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:47,033
after watching most of your meetings.

618
00:32:47,867 --> 00:32:49,266
I'm really proud of the work you do.

619
00:32:50,834 --> 00:32:52,533
I think it's really incredible the way you listen

620
00:32:52,533 --> 00:32:55,467
to all residents from a variety of viewpoints.

621
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,266
You take the time to make sure you're coming

622
00:32:58,266 --> 00:32:59,300
to the right decision or

623
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:00,367
what you think is the right decision.

624
00:33:00,467 --> 00:33:01,634
You can't always get it right.

625
00:33:01,634 --> 00:33:03,867
And so I don't always agree with what you guys are doing,

626
00:33:05,266 --> 00:33:06,834
but I'm proud of what you are doing

627
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:08,867
and I'm proud to be a resident of Cumberland.

628
00:33:10,133 --> 00:33:12,333
You know, I live on Range Road, people often drive too fast

629
00:33:13,433 --> 00:33:16,467
and once in a while there's a police officer there to try

630
00:33:16,467 --> 00:33:19,000
and slow people down in front of my house.

631
00:33:19,033 --> 00:33:22,000
The pavement was, has been breaking up for a number

632
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,133
of years since I moved in.

633
00:33:23,867 --> 00:33:25,533
I've never come to complain about it to you guys.

634
00:33:26,133 --> 00:33:28,500
But the other day they repaved a section

635
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:29,767
of Range Road in front of my house

636
00:33:29,767 --> 00:33:31,700
because somebody was paying attention enough

637
00:33:32,133 --> 00:33:34,033
to fix it without me complaining.

638
00:33:34,567 --> 00:33:37,000
You know, my kids most days walk

639
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,100
to the library after school.

640
00:33:38,634 --> 00:33:42,000
It is one of the most inviting, inclusive, positive,

641
00:33:42,166 --> 00:33:44,000
safe places kids could go to.

642
00:33:45,266 --> 00:33:46,934
And that exists because of you guys.

643
00:33:47,133 --> 00:33:50,767
My kids play soccer at Twin Brook where I go for walks, one

644
00:33:50,767 --> 00:33:54,100
of the sort of best athletic facilities

645
00:33:54,367 --> 00:33:55,467
probably in the entire state.

646
00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:58,700
And that exists and main is maintained because of you guys.

647
00:34:00,066 --> 00:34:01,767
You know, I live close to the RHS forest.

648
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,734
You know those trails are maintained by the l you know com,

649
00:34:06,266 --> 00:34:08,033
you know Lands and Conservation Commission,

650
00:34:08,033 --> 00:34:11,367
which I'm on the trails committee, you guys support the work

651
00:34:11,367 --> 00:34:14,000
that we do so that volunteers in this town can keep our

652
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,233
trails looking nice, keep our forests healthy, try

653
00:34:16,233 --> 00:34:17,533
and fight back the invasives.

654
00:34:18,867 --> 00:34:21,133
So yeah, I just don't hear enough people talking about the

655
00:34:21,133 --> 00:34:22,233
good work you guys are doing.

656
00:34:23,066 --> 00:34:24,867
It's not easy, you don't always get it right.

657
00:34:24,867 --> 00:34:27,100
People are always gonna be upset about something on one side

658
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:29,634
or the other, but I really respect

659
00:34:29,667 --> 00:34:32,734
and appreciate that you guys take the time to do your best.

660
00:34:33,233 --> 00:34:34,734
And I think most of the time you do

661
00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:36,934
and you know, with a number of people

662
00:34:36,934 --> 00:34:39,066
who wanna live in Cumberland, I think that's a testament

663
00:34:39,233 --> 00:34:42,100
to the incredible work that you and people who have come

664
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:43,634
before you on this town council have done.

665
00:34:43,734 --> 00:34:46,033
So just wanted to express my gratitude.

666
00:34:46,133 --> 00:34:49,266
I think it's important because negativity can often drown

667
00:34:49,266 --> 00:34:52,333
out the great work that people are doing in this world.

668
00:34:52,467 --> 00:34:53,567
So thank you.

669
00:34:54,133 --> 00:34:56,100
I'm gonna take my kids to bed and thank you Jesse.

670
00:34:56,367 --> 00:34:58,000
- Yeah, - Keep up the good work.

671
00:34:58,133 --> 00:35:00,100
- Thanks. Thanks - Jesse. I was waiting for the,

672
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:03,033
but the whole time and no but came, I was like, oh wow,

673
00:35:05,033 --> 00:35:07,066
- Anybody else in the public would like

674
00:35:07,066 --> 00:35:10,033
to come up on an item that's not on the agenda.

675
00:35:10,467 --> 00:35:11,467
Chris,

676
00:35:17,367 --> 00:35:19,767
- Hi Chris Yale, 2 44 Griller Road.

677
00:35:20,834 --> 00:35:23,500
I came to speak and there's way too many people here

678
00:35:23,667 --> 00:35:26,000
tonight try to talk.

679
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:29,934
And something I was gonna talk about is on the

680
00:35:29,934 --> 00:35:31,100
agenda, which I did not know.

681
00:35:33,066 --> 00:35:35,266
I first, I wanted to thank the counselors back,

682
00:35:36,266 --> 00:35:38,033
as this gentleman said, I was one of the people

683
00:35:38,033 --> 00:35:39,634
that watched these town council meetings

684
00:35:39,634 --> 00:35:41,934
because as I guess we have no life, so

685
00:35:42,367 --> 00:35:43,367
watch council meetings.

686
00:35:44,367 --> 00:35:46,467
I guess it was a month, couple month, month

687
00:35:46,467 --> 00:35:48,367
and a half ago where the gentleman

688
00:35:48,367 --> 00:35:51,700
with the trail committee was here asking for $12,600

689
00:35:52,266 --> 00:35:55,500
and you guys kinda stopped, well what's in writing?

690
00:35:56,033 --> 00:35:58,367
Whatever. We're just not handing over this money without

691
00:35:58,867 --> 00:35:59,867
anything here.

692
00:36:01,133 --> 00:36:02,934
But now it looks like it's on the agenda.

693
00:36:03,133 --> 00:36:05,033
So maybe they have plans or something like that.

694
00:36:05,066 --> 00:36:07,000
I don't know. I haven't kept up enough with it.

695
00:36:07,066 --> 00:36:10,000
So I mean this trail's coming whether we like it or not.

696
00:36:11,233 --> 00:36:13,367
I hear it's not really our town property,

697
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:17,066
but eventually it, it is gonna happen.

698
00:36:18,867 --> 00:36:21,066
So I've also, you,

699
00:36:21,233 --> 00:36:24,033
you were very concerned about the abutters along this

700
00:36:24,233 --> 00:36:27,367
and you asked about a fence and will they put a fence up

701
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:29,700
and they talked about that and everything.

702
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:32,734
And I have friends in the fencing business, mainline fence,

703
00:36:33,667 --> 00:36:35,000
you know, a fence to fence.

704
00:36:35,033 --> 00:36:38,533
That six foot slat fence is $70 a foot,

705
00:36:38,533 --> 00:36:41,533
that's $1.1 million for the length of it.

706
00:36:41,667 --> 00:36:44,767
So I hope that is appropriated if you said we want

707
00:36:44,767 --> 00:36:45,934
a fence on our section.

708
00:36:46,533 --> 00:36:49,266
- Chris, do you have anything for that's not on the agenda?

709
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:53,767
- Yeah, I was gonna then move on to Greeley Road.

710
00:36:55,934 --> 00:36:58,700
The, the Greeley road's gonna be rebuilt and you

711
00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:02,266
and you talk about, that's on the agenda here about riding

712
00:37:02,333 --> 00:37:04,266
the bikes to this space, everything like that.

713
00:37:04,834 --> 00:37:07,066
I hope you're really considering a sidewalk when

714
00:37:07,066 --> 00:37:08,133
you rebuild this road.

715
00:37:09,934 --> 00:37:12,300
You asked me would I like a sidewalk in front of my house.

716
00:37:12,467 --> 00:37:13,734
Yes, I would love a sidewalk.

717
00:37:13,867 --> 00:37:16,533
People drive way too fast down Grilly Road.

718
00:37:16,834 --> 00:37:20,033
Even as rough as it is Matt, you made the point

719
00:37:20,033 --> 00:37:22,000
of people complaining about how rough it is.

720
00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:24,500
As soon as we pave it, they complain about how fast they go.

721
00:37:24,934 --> 00:37:28,300
So to catch 22, I think putting a sidewalk

722
00:37:29,667 --> 00:37:34,033
down this road and completing the loop to Twin Brooks,

723
00:37:34,033 --> 00:37:35,934
as we talked about 5,000 people,

724
00:37:36,066 --> 00:37:38,033
was it at Twin Brooks this past weekend

725
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,300
or whatever it was for that,

726
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:43,266
that soccer tournament would be wonderful for it.

727
00:37:43,266 --> 00:37:46,734
It would really, I think, calm people down on that road and

728
00:37:46,867 --> 00:37:48,934
and give it more of a town feel.

729
00:37:50,066 --> 00:37:53,300
Okay. So I really hope you really consider that

730
00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:55,033
and consider that expense.

731
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:59,467
I know it's expensive. I also looked at a brand new sidewalk

732
00:37:59,667 --> 00:38:02,233
go across in across from the sidewalk at Maple.

733
00:38:02,233 --> 00:38:03,734
I Wilson go, alright,

734
00:38:03,734 --> 00:38:05,700
we just put a sidewalk across from the sidewalk,

735
00:38:06,066 --> 00:38:07,300
which was a lot of money.

736
00:38:07,567 --> 00:38:10,233
It's pretty, I see a neighbor here that probably loves it,

737
00:38:10,233 --> 00:38:13,133
that he can walk from Willow Lane to Windman Road.

738
00:38:13,266 --> 00:38:18,066
So that's really nice. So I would think it'd be fiscally

739
00:38:18,333 --> 00:38:21,033
responsible for you guys to really look at that.

740
00:38:21,033 --> 00:38:22,033
Okay, we're gonna rebuild this,

741
00:38:22,033 --> 00:38:24,533
we're gonna probably widen the road, put a bike lane in,

742
00:38:25,133 --> 00:38:26,266
we'd really like a sidewalk.

743
00:38:26,667 --> 00:38:28,333
And I really think if you ask the people along

744
00:38:28,333 --> 00:38:31,300
that residence and along there that they would like it to.

745
00:38:32,266 --> 00:38:36,000
So speaking of fiscally responsible, my next item here

746
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,066
that's not on the agenda that Mr.

747
00:38:38,433 --> 00:38:40,033
Alack had me sign something.

748
00:38:41,166 --> 00:38:44,033
My other question too to you is why are we subsidizing North

749
00:38:44,033 --> 00:38:46,033
Yarmouth with our tax dollars?

750
00:38:46,667 --> 00:38:50,033
It's your job, your job to fdu be Fiducially responsible

751
00:38:51,433 --> 00:38:53,333
to spend Cumberland Tax dollars.

752
00:38:53,467 --> 00:38:54,867
But I guess with the school budget,

753
00:38:55,767 --> 00:38:58,033
north Yarmouth is a little shy of their fair share.

754
00:38:59,133 --> 00:39:02,066
So I'm just curious how far, if that's moving forward,

755
00:39:03,133 --> 00:39:04,867
if anything's happening with that, Jeff,

756
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,867
if it went forward not with that petition or anything.

757
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,100
So I just curious about that.

758
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:14,834
I mean, Yarmouth, when this, you know, go back to,

759
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,066
you said this was signed in 1966, this agreement was signed.

760
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:22,834
I looked it up. Gas was 32 cents.

761
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:27,533
Also, I also looked up and it was on the internet

762
00:39:27,533 --> 00:39:29,100
because it's AI in it, so must be right.

763
00:39:29,767 --> 00:39:31,867
North Yarmouth had 1200 residents.

764
00:39:32,333 --> 00:39:36,567
Cumberland had 6,000, now they have 4,400 residents.

765
00:39:36,934 --> 00:39:40,166
Cumberland has just shy of 9,000 I guess.

766
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:43,433
So a 70% growth in North Yarmouth

767
00:39:43,433 --> 00:39:45,266
with 30% growth in, in Cumberland.

768
00:39:45,333 --> 00:39:49,033
So why are we using Cumberland Tax dollars

769
00:39:49,667 --> 00:39:51,700
to subsidize our neighbors?

770
00:39:51,734 --> 00:39:55,767
I wanna be good neighbors, but my neighbor's not asking me

771
00:39:55,767 --> 00:39:58,233
to spend 4% just to pay his taxes.

772
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,900
So that's all I got. So

773
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:01,867
- Thank you Chris. Thank

774
00:40:01,867 --> 00:40:02,300
- You. Make a

775
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:03,300
- Comment on that.

776
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:04,467
- Let's, let's go, right. - Okay.

777
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:06,367
I just wanna know what it force signed. Go ahead.

778
00:40:07,233 --> 00:40:10,133
Just so the public knows the petition that Mr.

779
00:40:10,266 --> 00:40:12,300
Yale signed was one

780
00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:14,266
to basically revisit the cost sharing

781
00:40:14,266 --> 00:40:15,500
agreement with the school district.

782
00:40:15,634 --> 00:40:18,033
So if anyone's wondering what I got him to sign,

783
00:40:18,033 --> 00:40:19,033
that's, that's what it was.

784
00:40:20,433 --> 00:40:21,700
I did try to get him to sign over his

785
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:22,867
bank account but he wouldn't do it.

786
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:24,100
So

787
00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:27,700
- Anybody else have comment that for an item

788
00:40:27,734 --> 00:40:29,066
that is not on the agenda?

789
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:32,734
See now we'll go right to the agenda.

790
00:40:33,934 --> 00:40:38,433
Alright, legislation

791
00:40:38,433 --> 00:40:43,300
and policy item 26 dash 1 0 4 to hold a public hearing

792
00:40:43,834 --> 00:40:46,367
to consider an act on the adoption

793
00:40:46,367 --> 00:40:48,900
of the main municipal association.

794
00:40:49,066 --> 00:40:54,033
Modeled general assistant appends A through H for the period

795
00:40:54,066 --> 00:40:58,867
of October 1st, 26th through September 30th, 27. Matt?

796
00:40:59,433 --> 00:41:03,467
- Thank you Mr. Chairman. This is an annual occurrence as

797
00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:05,533
most counselors will remember.

798
00:41:05,567 --> 00:41:08,533
So about this time every year the legislature comes forward

799
00:41:08,634 --> 00:41:11,367
with their, or actually main, main municipal comes forward

800
00:41:11,367 --> 00:41:16,166
with their recommended GA ordinance that each town

801
00:41:16,233 --> 00:41:19,867
that they sent to each town for annual review and approval.

802
00:41:20,033 --> 00:41:24,700
And tonight I actually, we have in-house a our GA expert

803
00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:28,266
and our, our person who provides our GA forest,

804
00:41:28,333 --> 00:41:30,133
Paige Kibaki, who's here.

805
00:41:30,133 --> 00:41:32,700
And if you'd like to come up,

806
00:41:32,734 --> 00:41:34,100
you could talk about it briefly.

807
00:41:34,233 --> 00:41:38,000
I know there's also a question about heating assistance

808
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:40,367
as well that 'cause it's all,

809
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:42,000
it's all contained within this ordinance.

810
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:44,767
There's heating assistance, what the rental side of it,

811
00:41:44,834 --> 00:41:46,834
what the utilities side of it is all,

812
00:41:47,066 --> 00:41:48,567
it's all spelled out within the ordinance.

813
00:41:49,333 --> 00:41:53,467
The town also has a fund for heating assistance as well.

814
00:41:53,467 --> 00:41:55,033
And there's locally a wood bank as well.

815
00:41:55,834 --> 00:41:58,066
Talking with Helene, our finance director this afternoon,

816
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:02,266
the heating assistance fund has about $278,000 in it.

817
00:42:02,333 --> 00:42:06,700
So it's in, it's, it's healthy, but oil's expensive

818
00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:10,300
and gas is expensive

819
00:42:10,333 --> 00:42:12,467
and everything's expensive when it comes to heating a home.

820
00:42:12,467 --> 00:42:15,000
And we got a lot and we've got a long heating system,

821
00:42:15,333 --> 00:42:17,634
heating season ahead of us.

822
00:42:17,934 --> 00:42:20,634
So I thought that might be good for the council to know.

823
00:42:20,634 --> 00:42:22,066
But I'll let our,

824
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:25,500
our in-house expert also provide some info for the council as well.

825
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:26,900
So thanks Paige.

826
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:31,734
- Thanks Matt. Yeah, so

827
00:42:32,133 --> 00:42:35,467
what you have in front of you for the appendices is,

828
00:42:35,667 --> 00:42:37,467
like Matt said, updated every year.

829
00:42:37,934 --> 00:42:40,266
These are appendices that MMA comes out with.

830
00:42:40,533 --> 00:42:43,100
They collaborate with the Department of Health

831
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:45,100
and Human Services to calculate those every year.

832
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,133
They're based on some HUD numbers, some USDA numbers

833
00:42:49,867 --> 00:42:51,066
from the federal government

834
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:53,000
and they come out October 1st every year.

835
00:42:53,834 --> 00:42:57,734
And those do go into effect whether they're adopted or not.

836
00:42:57,734 --> 00:43:00,834
The state requires, the state requires us

837
00:43:00,834 --> 00:43:02,300
to use those numbers as administrators.

838
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:06,266
And so updating them in the town ordinance is really more

839
00:43:06,266 --> 00:43:07,634
of a formality than anything.

840
00:43:07,834 --> 00:43:11,100
But you do have some latitude in the adoption.

841
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,333
A lot of towns, not a lot of towns,

842
00:43:14,333 --> 00:43:16,500
but a handful of towns in the state do choose

843
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:20,233
to not adopt Appendix C, which is the housing maximums.

844
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,033
And instead we use the overall, in those cases,

845
00:43:25,166 --> 00:43:28,033
the overall household maximum when determining housing.

846
00:43:30,266 --> 00:43:31,700
Yeah, happy to answer any

847
00:43:31,867 --> 00:43:33,033
questions that you might have about those.

848
00:43:35,233 --> 00:43:37,500
- Any, any questions from the council

849
00:43:37,567 --> 00:43:39,500
before we turn it over to the public?

850
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:46,133
See none, thank you very much.

851
00:43:46,567 --> 00:43:49,467
- Yeah, of course. - A anybody from this public hearing?

852
00:43:49,467 --> 00:43:53,000
Anybody from the public? Like we heard on the first item,

853
00:43:55,166 --> 00:43:57,867
seeing none, send it back to the council.

854
00:43:57,934 --> 00:44:01,333
What's your favor on this thing?

855
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,100
- I can provide you with a motion.

856
00:44:04,367 --> 00:44:06,367
- Go ahead Jeff. - I move

857
00:44:06,367 --> 00:44:08,700
to adopt the main municipal association's model

858
00:44:08,734 --> 00:44:12,333
for general assistance appendix A through H for the period

859
00:44:12,333 --> 00:44:16,100
of October 1st, 2026 through September 30th, 2027.

860
00:44:16,233 --> 00:44:17,233
Second

861
00:44:18,133 --> 00:44:19,133
- A motion.

862
00:44:19,133 --> 00:44:20,000
And second. All those in favor

863
00:44:20,367 --> 00:44:21,767
- About discussion on the motion?

864
00:44:23,166 --> 00:44:24,500
- We did? - No, we didn't.

865
00:44:26,166 --> 00:44:28,233
We made a motion to second discussion on the motion,

866
00:44:28,233 --> 00:44:29,700
please. Okay,

867
00:44:30,133 --> 00:44:31,133
- Go ahead Bob.

868
00:44:32,033 --> 00:44:34,567
- I won't say that I read the whole ordinance

869
00:44:34,867 --> 00:44:36,100
'cause it was exhausting.

870
00:44:36,266 --> 00:44:37,734
That's okay. And I can say

871
00:44:37,734 --> 00:44:39,767
that I didn't read the whole thing last year either.

872
00:44:40,233 --> 00:44:42,700
But what I struck me was the complexity of it

873
00:44:43,066 --> 00:44:48,000
and the, the severability, I guess of, of people that

874
00:44:49,467 --> 00:44:51,100
could easily get cut off.

875
00:44:51,734 --> 00:44:56,233
And it's, it's, it's astonishing to me at some level that,

876
00:44:59,567 --> 00:45:02,300
you know, we want every dollar to be accounted for when we,

877
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:04,066
when we, when we give aid to people.

878
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:09,667
But at some level you wanna say to yourself, you know, let,

879
00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:11,033
let's not be so strict.

880
00:45:11,133 --> 00:45:13,367
Let's, let's let's meet people's needs.

881
00:45:13,567 --> 00:45:17,066
And I think you know, it, it's,

882
00:45:18,333 --> 00:45:20,233
it's, it is sobering to read through this

883
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:22,033
and to understand that there are

884
00:45:22,033 --> 00:45:24,533
so many people in this state that, that are of need.

885
00:45:25,066 --> 00:45:27,500
And we are a wealthy community.

886
00:45:27,533 --> 00:45:28,533
We are a wealthy country

887
00:45:29,133 --> 00:45:32,667
and we, we, we struggle to meet the needs of people

888
00:45:32,834 --> 00:45:35,066
who are struggling worse than we are.

889
00:45:35,767 --> 00:45:37,900
Anyways, thank you for your what you do.

890
00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:42,000
- Thank you Bob. Anything else from the council?

891
00:45:43,333 --> 00:45:45,133
We have a motion, a second. Change things.

892
00:45:45,100 --> 00:45:48,233
All those in favor? Unanimous

893
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:53,533
Item 26 dash 1 0 5 to hold a public hearing

894
00:45:54,066 --> 00:45:57,867
to consider an act on a special amusement license renewal

895
00:45:58,433 --> 00:46:02,033
for wander at Longwoods Preserve Mr. Manager.

896
00:46:02,734 --> 00:46:05,433
- Thank you Mr. Chairman. On the council agenda this

897
00:46:05,433 --> 00:46:07,700
evening, you have that request from,

898
00:46:08,033 --> 00:46:10,700
or the annual special amusement license renewal

899
00:46:10,700 --> 00:46:12,033
for wander at Longwoods Preserve.

900
00:46:12,634 --> 00:46:14,700
Remember this from last year, this is an annual occurrence.

901
00:46:15,066 --> 00:46:18,367
There have been no items that staff has identified

902
00:46:18,367 --> 00:46:20,133
and brought it forward this evening

903
00:46:20,133 --> 00:46:21,433
with the recommendation for approval.

904
00:46:24,367 --> 00:46:26,667
And this is if they want to have live,

905
00:46:26,734 --> 00:46:29,700
live music performed there, that they that

906
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,734
as they've, as they've lined it out.

907
00:46:32,767 --> 00:46:35,166
- Is there any questions from the council for the manager?

908
00:46:36,734 --> 00:46:37,867
- I have a question. Go ahead.

909
00:46:40,734 --> 00:46:43,000
The highlighted portion in this memo

910
00:46:45,133 --> 00:46:47,734
realigning the special amusement permit expiration

911
00:46:47,934 --> 00:46:49,667
with the existing liquor license.

912
00:46:51,333 --> 00:46:53,133
Yes. Didn't we already do that last time?

913
00:46:56,333 --> 00:46:57,333
Maybe

914
00:46:58,033 --> 00:47:02,133
- That was, that was what the request was

915
00:47:02,266 --> 00:47:06,066
and I think, I don't think it got all the way,

916
00:47:06,033 --> 00:47:07,233
I don't think it made it all the way through.

917
00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:08,934
So that's what we're looking at as well

918
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,166
to get this in alignment with that.

919
00:47:10,233 --> 00:47:12,700
So next spring you should see that when they do come back

920
00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:13,734
for their liquor license renewal.

921
00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:17,433
- So the liquor license will be aligned with,

922
00:47:17,900 --> 00:47:18,900
- With the special - Amusement.

923
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:20,634
This one. Okay. So we don't actually have

924
00:47:20,634 --> 00:47:23,066
to have any language in the motion about dealing with that.

925
00:47:23,066 --> 00:47:25,166
It'll just pop up Yeah, a little early. We should be good.

926
00:47:25,166 --> 00:47:26,233
Okay, cool.

927
00:47:29,734 --> 00:47:30,767
- This is a public hearing.

928
00:47:30,867 --> 00:47:34,634
Anybody from the public like to be heard on this

929
00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:36,100
or asked a question?

930
00:47:37,333 --> 00:47:41,867
Seeing none. Trying to back over the, the council.

931
00:47:42,166 --> 00:47:43,367
Any comments from the council?

932
00:47:46,734 --> 00:47:47,734
Any motion?

933
00:47:49,433 --> 00:47:52,934
- I'll do it. All right.

934
00:47:53,066 --> 00:47:56,734
I mo I move to approve the special amusement license renewal

935
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,066
for wander at Longwoods Preserve for the period

936
00:47:59,066 --> 00:48:02,033
of November 1st, 2026 through June 9th, 2027.

937
00:48:03,133 --> 00:48:05,533
- We have a motion. A second? - I'll second

938
00:48:06,166 --> 00:48:07,166
- Motion a second.

939
00:48:07,166 --> 00:48:09,934
Any other comments from the council, from the

940
00:48:09,934 --> 00:48:10,934
- Peanut gallery?

941
00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:15,300
- No. All those in favor thank you.

942
00:48:20,266 --> 00:48:24,667
Item 26 dash 1 0 6 to consider an act on reorganizing

943
00:48:25,433 --> 00:48:28,033
the Cumberland North YA joint standing committee

944
00:48:28,734 --> 00:48:30,066
into two separate groups.

945
00:48:30,734 --> 00:48:33,100
Number one is a Knights Pawn committee

946
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,000
and number two, a joint standing committee consisting

947
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,567
of the Cumberland Town Council

948
00:48:39,133 --> 00:48:42,367
and the North AMH select board to meet approximately two

949
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:46,066
to three times annually to discuss collaboration,

950
00:48:46,634 --> 00:48:49,133
joint projects, mutual concerns,

951
00:48:49,767 --> 00:48:52,533
and other matters of shared interest.

952
00:48:53,266 --> 00:48:56,667
Bob, I'm going to turn this over to Bob

953
00:48:56,667 --> 00:48:58,066
and I have been meeting with the manager

954
00:48:58,166 --> 00:49:01,667
and assistant manager, excuse me, town chair

955
00:49:01,867 --> 00:49:05,266
and a sit vice chair of the Northam Select board.

956
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:08,533
And we, we went on, we wanna, we've been wanting

957
00:49:08,533 --> 00:49:11,567
to head in the right direction, work on projects and,

958
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:14,133
and not just meet for the sake of meetings.

959
00:49:14,166 --> 00:49:15,166
So Bob,

960
00:49:17,066 --> 00:49:18,500
- I I think the, the first piece

961
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:22,133
to address is the Knight's Pond breakout of,

962
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,567
of the people on that.

963
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,834
And I think it's good that that is separated out.

964
00:49:26,867 --> 00:49:31,100
There's enough things that go on over the course of a year,

965
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:35,300
maintenance of trails, expenditures of funds, that that's

966
00:49:36,133 --> 00:49:37,834
specific topic should be addressed by people

967
00:49:37,834 --> 00:49:41,133
that perhaps have a little more background than the council

968
00:49:41,166 --> 00:49:42,900
or the select board of North Yarmouth.

969
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:46,433
So I think taking that piece away makes perfectly sense.

970
00:49:47,033 --> 00:49:51,033
So over the last few months, as Mike said, we've met

971
00:49:51,066 --> 00:49:54,900
with the leadership of North Yarmouth, the chair chair

972
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:56,133
and vice chair of the select board.

973
00:49:57,133 --> 00:50:00,066
And we've kind of challenged each other on

974
00:50:00,734 --> 00:50:04,100
what is a working relationship look like and,

975
00:50:04,066 --> 00:50:06,066
and how, how important is it?

976
00:50:06,266 --> 00:50:11,133
And I think over the last couple of years we,

977
00:50:11,133 --> 00:50:14,133
we've seen a a, a falling away of,

978
00:50:14,133 --> 00:50:16,333
of dialogue, if you will.

979
00:50:16,667 --> 00:50:20,634
And you know, at some point we've, we've had members

980
00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:22,634
and myself included have just said,

981
00:50:22,867 --> 00:50:24,367
don't put me on that committee anymore.

982
00:50:24,634 --> 00:50:27,767
'cause I I just, it's, it's not working for me.

983
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,300
And I think that, so there's a recognition that

984
00:50:34,734 --> 00:50:36,000
we had to be engaged and,

985
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,033
and if you don't know your neighbors, not

986
00:50:39,033 --> 00:50:41,100
to pick on the folks down in Washington,

987
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:42,834
but when you pick on your neighbor to the north of us

988
00:50:43,367 --> 00:50:46,266
and you don't have a good relationship, you know,

989
00:50:46,567 --> 00:50:47,934
good things don't happen anymore.

990
00:50:48,100 --> 00:50:52,934
So it it's, it's incumbent upon not only the council,

991
00:50:53,233 --> 00:50:55,500
but the select board to sit down

992
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:58,700
and have real constructive talks about

993
00:50:58,700 --> 00:51:00,233
how the two communities work together.

994
00:51:00,233 --> 00:51:03,066
How we share our funds and,

995
00:51:03,133 --> 00:51:04,700
and including in that is,

996
00:51:04,734 --> 00:51:06,266
is our relationship with the schools.

997
00:51:06,667 --> 00:51:10,066
And nothing could be more important than, you know,

998
00:51:10,066 --> 00:51:12,100
70% of our tax dollars.

999
00:51:13,333 --> 00:51:14,000
And how

1000
00:51:18,266 --> 00:51:20,867
how that is shared is, is of not most importance.

1001
00:51:20,867 --> 00:51:23,467
But I think really the thing that, that Mike

1002
00:51:23,467 --> 00:51:25,033
and I came away with is that

1003
00:51:25,867 --> 00:51:29,233
the folks in North Yarmouth have a desire as much as we do

1004
00:51:29,266 --> 00:51:33,000
to work together and have a amicable relationship.

1005
00:51:33,133 --> 00:51:36,266
So I I think that the, this realignment is, is important

1006
00:51:36,367 --> 00:51:40,266
and it's, it's step forward for us to show that we are,

1007
00:51:40,433 --> 00:51:43,100
we're gonna make the effort to be good neighbors.

1008
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:46,300
- And having been on that committee for about 10 years,

1009
00:51:47,367 --> 00:51:51,533
this is the first time I've seen real motivation on,

1010
00:51:51,667 --> 00:51:55,533
on their part to, to come, come to the table, talk about

1011
00:51:55,667 --> 00:51:59,333
what can we do jointly and save money for the tax pay.

1012
00:51:59,467 --> 00:52:00,634
So it's a good thing.

1013
00:52:01,233 --> 00:52:03,266
Any questions from the Council of Bob

1014
00:52:03,834 --> 00:52:07,233
before I send it out to Go ahead Andrew.

1015
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:11,700
- So Bob on the Knights Pond is the thought that

1016
00:52:11,700 --> 00:52:15,233
that will be made up of citizens of Cumberland would be on

1017
00:52:15,233 --> 00:52:20,166
that committee, not not being just, you know, made up of Oh,

1018
00:52:20,533 --> 00:52:22,066
citizens of Cumberland North, I should say,

1019
00:52:22,233 --> 00:52:24,734
and not just members of the town council

1020
00:52:24,734 --> 00:52:28,266
and the select board for I Pond specifically? Yes.

1021
00:52:28,266 --> 00:52:31,500
- Land conservation, the land trust, somebody, those type

1022
00:52:31,667 --> 00:52:33,133
of people that better understand those things.

1023
00:52:37,867 --> 00:52:39,033
- All this is public hearing.

1024
00:52:39,634 --> 00:52:42,133
Anybody from the public wanna be heard on this bill?

1025
00:52:43,834 --> 00:52:46,166
- CCI. - Gotcha.

1026
00:52:50,333 --> 00:52:51,867
- Bill Young Hedgerow Cumberland,

1027
00:52:51,867 --> 00:52:52,900
north Army Taxpayers Group.

1028
00:52:53,066 --> 00:52:54,500
We are just giggly

1029
00:52:55,100 --> 00:52:57,133
that you guys are finally getting together

1030
00:52:57,133 --> 00:52:59,000
and doing something good and we are a hundred

1031
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,266
percent behind you on this. So I'll say that. Thank you.

1032
00:53:01,266 --> 00:53:01,934
- Thank you Bill.

1033
00:53:10,634 --> 00:53:12,100
- John Jensenius, chair

1034
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:13,900
of the Recreational Trails subcommittee

1035
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,133
and Vice chair lens and Conservation.

1036
00:53:16,634 --> 00:53:18,934
I know in some of the emails that are in your packet,

1037
00:53:19,133 --> 00:53:22,634
it talks about involving North yarm,

1038
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:24,000
north Yarmouth parks

1039
00:53:24,367 --> 00:53:26,467
and the Recreational Trails subcommittee.

1040
00:53:26,934 --> 00:53:28,834
I think it's important to recognize

1041
00:53:28,834 --> 00:53:30,333
that it's more than just trails.

1042
00:53:30,867 --> 00:53:32,100
It's important to have the Lands

1043
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:35,734
and Conservation Commission very involved in this as well.

1044
00:53:36,433 --> 00:53:38,567
And the other point that I wanna make is,

1045
00:53:38,734 --> 00:53:42,133
I think it's important to identify funding for projects so

1046
00:53:42,133 --> 00:53:44,300
that when we get to a point where we have something

1047
00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:48,767
that we'd like to do, that we have either have the funding

1048
00:53:49,033 --> 00:53:50,867
or have a path to get the funding.

1049
00:53:51,634 --> 00:53:54,500
- Thank you John. Thank you for all you've, you do for us.

1050
00:53:58,533 --> 00:54:00,367
Anybody else in the public want? Have you heard on this?

1051
00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:03,066
Bring it back to the council.

1052
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:10,100
- I think it's a great idea. I maybe quarterly makes more

1053
00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:11,567
sense than two to three times a year,

1054
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:15,066
but I mean, I'll take it.

1055
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,266
I like that it would be the entire, the entirety

1056
00:54:21,266 --> 00:54:24,634
of both bodies and not onesie, twosies here and there.

1057
00:54:25,033 --> 00:54:28,233
'cause in my past experience, a lot of

1058
00:54:28,233 --> 00:54:30,133
what happens at the JFC stays there

1059
00:54:30,166 --> 00:54:32,066
and that we don't really hear about what happened

1060
00:54:32,634 --> 00:54:35,834
or, you know, I randomly show up to talk about something

1061
00:54:35,867 --> 00:54:37,734
and now that there's like a power imbalance

1062
00:54:37,834 --> 00:54:39,367
and now you have more too many people

1063
00:54:39,567 --> 00:54:40,567
and we don't have enough people.

1064
00:54:40,834 --> 00:54:43,767
So both bodies there, everybody understanding

1065
00:54:43,767 --> 00:54:45,867
what is going on, everyone able to collaborate.

1066
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,934
I like that a lot better than the way it's been.

1067
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:53,000
And also we did just vote both towns

1068
00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:56,000
and the school board, I think unanimously on creating

1069
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:00,567
that additional kind of like mini tricom committee where,

1070
00:55:00,667 --> 00:55:03,634
you know, two individuals from each body will meet more

1071
00:55:03,634 --> 00:55:05,000
often, probably maybe monthly.

1072
00:55:05,367 --> 00:55:09,533
So new stuff happening, glad to see it.

1073
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:12,834
And that's all, that's a good idea.

1074
00:55:15,133 --> 00:55:19,066
- Anything else from the council? Seeing none,

1075
00:55:19,033 --> 00:55:20,266
I'll entertain a motion.

1076
00:55:20,834 --> 00:55:22,100
- I can give you one. - Go ahead.

1077
00:55:24,066 --> 00:55:27,066
- Alrighty. On 26 dash 1 0 6, I moved

1078
00:55:27,066 --> 00:55:29,634
to reorganize the Cumberland North Yarmouth joint Standing

1079
00:55:29,634 --> 00:55:32,300
Committee into two separate groups, a Knight Spawn Committee

1080
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:34,834
and a joint standing committee consisting

1081
00:55:34,834 --> 00:55:36,100
of the Cumberland Town Council

1082
00:55:36,467 --> 00:55:39,133
and North Yarmouth Select Board to meet approximately two

1083
00:55:39,133 --> 00:55:41,333
to three times annually to discuss collaboration,

1084
00:55:41,333 --> 00:55:43,066
joint projects, mutual concerns,

1085
00:55:43,066 --> 00:55:44,567
and other matters of shared interest.

1086
00:55:45,767 --> 00:55:48,433
- Is there a second? - I give it a second.

1087
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,333
- Motion is second. Any further discussion from the council?

1088
00:55:54,367 --> 00:55:55,367
All those in favor?

1089
00:55:57,100 --> 00:56:02,000
- Thank you. - Item 26

1090
00:56:02,066 --> 00:56:05,166
dash 1 0 7 to consider

1091
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:08,533
and act on appropriating local matching funds

1092
00:56:09,266 --> 00:56:12,533
to support the preliminary design

1093
00:56:12,700 --> 00:56:15,033
and engineering of the Casco Bay

1094
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:20,100
Trail. Matthew,

1095
00:56:20,700 --> 00:56:21,700
- Mr.

1096
00:56:21,700 --> 00:56:24,767
Chairman, as, as this one was tabled at the last time it was

1097
00:56:24,767 --> 00:56:26,700
on the counsel will need to make a motion

1098
00:56:26,867 --> 00:56:29,000
to take it off the table this evening as well.

1099
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,000
Correct.

1100
00:56:30,934 --> 00:56:35,734
- So there is, this has been tabled.

1101
00:56:36,367 --> 00:56:40,834
Is there a motion to remove it from the table prior

1102
00:56:40,834 --> 00:56:43,500
to discussing it? Yes,

1103
00:56:43,700 --> 00:56:44,700
- I would make that motion.

1104
00:56:45,133 --> 00:56:47,767
- Go ahead Bob. - I move to take from the table the matter

1105
00:56:47,767 --> 00:56:49,500
of appropriating local matching funds

1106
00:56:49,567 --> 00:56:51,233
to support the preliminary design

1107
00:56:51,233 --> 00:56:53,133
and engineering of the Casco Bay Trail.

1108
00:56:53,834 --> 00:56:56,000
- Is there a second? A second. Take my bill.

1109
00:56:56,033 --> 00:56:57,500
All those in favor?

1110
00:57:00,133 --> 00:57:04,533
All right, it's

1111
00:57:04,533 --> 00:57:05,533
- All yours.

1112
00:57:05,533 --> 00:57:08,834
Well, Mr. Chairman th Thank you sir.

1113
00:57:09,233 --> 00:57:11,300
As, as many who are in this room this evening.

1114
00:57:11,734 --> 00:57:15,567
Recall we had, I had, well the item was on the agenda

1115
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:17,100
back in August

1116
00:57:17,834 --> 00:57:20,533
and then in September, earlier in September,

1117
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:23,467
there was another workshop that was attended by Dakota.

1118
00:57:25,634 --> 00:57:27,066
Gosh, Hewlett.

1119
00:57:27,066 --> 00:57:29,567
Hewlett, sorry, from, from MDOT

1120
00:57:29,734 --> 00:57:31,100
and it was well attended as well.

1121
00:57:31,266 --> 00:57:34,033
And I thought Dakota did a great job answering a lot

1122
00:57:34,033 --> 00:57:36,367
of questions and addressing a lot of the issues

1123
00:57:36,634 --> 00:57:39,033
and concerns that were brought up as well as,

1124
00:57:39,634 --> 00:57:41,734
I think quite frankly, brought something

1125
00:57:41,734 --> 00:57:43,467
that hadn't happened to this point,

1126
00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:46,066
at least the full exposure that it had.

1127
00:57:46,066 --> 00:57:48,467
And Dakota was there and spent as much time, almost as,

1128
00:57:48,567 --> 00:57:49,634
as was needed that evening.

1129
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:52,033
But a lot of what you have on this evening is

1130
00:57:53,033 --> 00:57:54,066
as the secondary

1131
00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:58,066
or the follow-up to that, that was referenced at the end of

1132
00:57:58,066 --> 00:58:00,700
that last meeting that this would come back to the council.

1133
00:58:01,634 --> 00:58:03,634
So this is part of a,

1134
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:08,000
A local match that's been asked for by the state

1135
00:58:08,033 --> 00:58:09,100
or the main DOT.

1136
00:58:09,767 --> 00:58:12,734
They've currently allocated about $600,000

1137
00:58:12,834 --> 00:58:14,834
to do the planning and design work

1138
00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:17,133
or engineering for this project.

1139
00:58:17,700 --> 00:58:20,567
And it's, it's preliminary design

1140
00:58:21,367 --> 00:58:24,100
and then it's reached out to four different towns.

1141
00:58:24,133 --> 00:58:26,634
It would be the town of Cumberland, north, Yarmouth,

1142
00:58:27,266 --> 00:58:28,533
Yarmouth, and Falmouth.

1143
00:58:29,467 --> 00:58:31,700
Actually, I think the, actually I think Portland's involved,

1144
00:58:31,700 --> 00:58:33,834
north Yarmouth isn't involved at that aspect yet.

1145
00:58:34,033 --> 00:58:35,033
'cause they're, they're above, they're

1146
00:58:35,033 --> 00:58:36,634
above the section that's being considered.

1147
00:58:36,634 --> 00:58:40,066
So apologize for that. But there's a 10% match.

1148
00:58:40,233 --> 00:58:43,100
So if there's 600,000 that the state has to kick in as part

1149
00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:46,000
of the federal requirement, they, they require

1150
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,000
that there's a 10% match that the towns

1151
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,367
who are involved with this put in.

1152
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,033
Dakota did address one question

1153
00:58:52,033 --> 00:58:53,333
that was brought up at that meeting.

1154
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:55,700
There's another section, I think it's the mountain division

1155
00:58:55,700 --> 00:59:00,066
segment that's over like the brown, brown field section,

1156
00:59:00,066 --> 00:59:01,033
brown field of, of the state.

1157
00:59:01,500 --> 00:59:06,500
And they, they're not requiring that that match up there.

1158
00:59:07,834 --> 00:59:10,700
He explained the reasoning why the state felt

1159
00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:11,734
that they didn't have that.

1160
00:59:11,734 --> 00:59:15,066
And it was, it basically came down to ability to, to spend,

1161
00:59:15,467 --> 00:59:18,467
quite frankly, and they're in a different economic situation

1162
00:59:18,467 --> 00:59:19,533
than the towns that are down

1163
00:59:19,533 --> 00:59:20,567
here that they'd asked that for.

1164
00:59:20,567 --> 00:59:23,133
And that was, was, that was why the DOT took that approach.

1165
00:59:25,634 --> 00:59:28,634
Now the, while construction funding for the project has not

1166
00:59:28,634 --> 00:59:29,700
yet been identified

1167
00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:32,467
or committed, the town does know

1168
00:59:32,467 --> 00:59:34,700
that there are additional future phases

1169
00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:38,934
that may also require a future match That's to be determined

1170
00:59:38,934 --> 00:59:41,734
through the whole preliminary design work.

1171
00:59:42,367 --> 00:59:46,367
So ultimately what what this does is well, is looking

1172
00:59:46,367 --> 00:59:48,834
to do the preliminary design work for the Ca Bay Trail,

1173
00:59:48,834 --> 00:59:52,367
which is a, a multi community off road shared use pathway

1174
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:54,300
that will ultimately connect the communities

1175
00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:57,867
between the greater Portland region beginning in Portland

1176
00:59:58,100 --> 01:00:00,567
where, or where the, you know,

1177
01:00:00,634 --> 01:00:04,066
the retired Trestle bridge is off the eastern prom

1178
01:00:04,033 --> 01:00:07,000
connecting all the way through, up to, up into Yarmouth.

1179
01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:10,333
So it does run through that on a, on a rail bed

1180
01:00:10,333 --> 01:00:13,033
that quite frankly the state owns and,

1181
01:00:13,734 --> 01:00:17,266
and it has not their,

1182
01:00:17,266 --> 01:00:19,834
their approach from the RU act, which is this rail

1183
01:00:20,500 --> 01:00:22,000
use authority commission.

1184
01:00:22,066 --> 01:00:24,634
I believe there's a lot of, when you do these types

1185
01:00:24,634 --> 01:00:26,000
of things, there's a lot of na a lot

1186
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,734
of acronyms as you can observe.

1187
01:00:28,567 --> 01:00:30,700
But they had a recommendation that came from

1188
01:00:30,700 --> 01:00:33,934
that committee was trail until rail.

1189
01:00:34,266 --> 01:00:36,834
So what they're looking now at is that the trail,

1190
01:00:37,333 --> 01:00:38,734
the trail component of it.

1191
01:00:40,667 --> 01:00:43,233
So what they're looking to do is have the town commit up

1192
01:00:43,233 --> 01:00:45,367
to $12,000 as their portion of this.

1193
01:00:46,867 --> 01:00:49,367
That was going to be, actually there was four towns

1194
01:00:49,367 --> 01:00:50,533
that were, that were in it.

1195
01:00:50,533 --> 01:00:52,233
It was originally gonna be $15,000.

1196
01:00:52,634 --> 01:00:54,333
But there's also

1197
01:00:57,900 --> 01:01:00,133
Bill, you could tell me that ca Caco Bay Trail,

1198
01:01:00,133 --> 01:01:04,867
thank the Caco Bay Trail Group also donated $12,000 to this.

1199
01:01:04,867 --> 01:01:07,100
And sorry, I'm just trying to keep all the,

1200
01:01:07,033 --> 01:01:09,000
all the players on the chess board accurate here.

1201
01:01:09,567 --> 01:01:11,834
But they c they also committed $12,000

1202
01:01:11,834 --> 01:01:14,166
to offset the local match from

1203
01:01:14,166 --> 01:01:16,634
through volunteer efforts and their cash.

1204
01:01:17,767 --> 01:01:21,133
So ultimately this would be the playing

1205
01:01:21,133 --> 01:01:22,634
and design work where a lot of the issues

1206
01:01:22,634 --> 01:01:25,700
that have been discussed will get the opportunity to be,

1207
01:01:26,033 --> 01:01:27,133
to be looked at further.

1208
01:01:28,066 --> 01:01:30,433
It does get the town involved in the conversation.

1209
01:01:33,266 --> 01:01:35,266
There may be some difference of opinion regarding that,

1210
01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:38,433
but quite frankly, if we're not involved with the planning

1211
01:01:38,433 --> 01:01:40,734
and design work, it's awful hard to represent the interests

1212
01:01:40,734 --> 01:01:42,100
of the town and others who may

1213
01:01:42,100 --> 01:01:43,934
or may not be in favor or opposed to it.

1214
01:01:44,033 --> 01:01:45,367
But it does get us into the room.

1215
01:01:46,700 --> 01:01:48,834
But it does not commit the town

1216
01:01:48,834 --> 01:01:53,000
to any future financial obligations beyond anything

1217
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,567
that could have to be separately

1218
01:01:54,634 --> 01:01:56,433
and subsequently approved by the town.

1219
01:01:56,567 --> 01:01:58,934
So it doesn't, you're free 12 grand.

1220
01:01:58,934 --> 01:02:00,834
You're not buying the atten the potential

1221
01:02:00,834 --> 01:02:02,333
for hundreds of thousands in the future.

1222
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:04,233
That question is yet to be answered.

1223
01:02:04,233 --> 01:02:06,066
But if you don't do the preliminary design work,

1224
01:02:06,066 --> 01:02:07,900
you're gonna have a hard time finding out

1225
01:02:08,033 --> 01:02:09,734
how much you're actually gonna have to spend

1226
01:02:11,333 --> 01:02:13,900
or what the cost of the project's gonna be.

1227
01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:16,000
So that's, that's the step that they're at now.

1228
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:20,567
And I think, let's see,

1229
01:02:20,567 --> 01:02:23,333
right now the participating municipalities have proposed

1230
01:02:23,333 --> 01:02:25,133
sharing the required local match equally.

1231
01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:27,100
And I've got over that and I think

1232
01:02:27,133 --> 01:02:28,934
I've said about enough, Mr. Chairman. So

1233
01:02:29,634 --> 01:02:30,467
- That's good. Thanks

1234
01:02:30,467 --> 01:02:31,467
- Matt.

1235
01:02:31,467 --> 01:02:31,934
Sorry it was a long-winded way

1236
01:02:31,934 --> 01:02:33,266
to get there, but that's where we're at. Anybody

1237
01:02:33,266 --> 01:02:35,233
- From the council have any questions of Matt

1238
01:02:35,233 --> 01:02:37,634
before I turn it over to the public?

1239
01:02:38,367 --> 01:02:41,500
- I have one question and I should have looked at the packet

1240
01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:43,867
better and asked you this.

1241
01:02:44,367 --> 01:02:48,033
Not right now, but I was

1242
01:02:48,567 --> 01:02:52,567
anticipating seeing a more official document, like

1243
01:02:52,567 --> 01:02:55,734
with some warehouses and stuff that we would agree to.

1244
01:02:55,934 --> 01:02:58,634
I just see the memo and then like the flash vote,

1245
01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:01,533
are we going to be doing something more official,

1246
01:03:01,533 --> 01:03:02,533
like since it's,

1247
01:03:02,834 --> 01:03:04,133
- Well there's a - Finances or,

1248
01:03:04,266 --> 01:03:06,000
- Yeah, no, thank, thank you for the question.

1249
01:03:06,300 --> 01:03:08,567
S Morgan? I think there is

1250
01:03:09,066 --> 01:03:10,634
and there's, there's a couple

1251
01:03:10,634 --> 01:03:12,033
different instruments that are out there.

1252
01:03:12,133 --> 01:03:14,300
Okay. There's one, there's like a,

1253
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,000
I wanna say a local advisory group that would be,

1254
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,834
that's being formed between the different towns

1255
01:03:19,100 --> 01:03:21,634
to look at this on the go forward for different,

1256
01:03:22,133 --> 01:03:24,533
like thinking out like how are you gonna maintain it?

1257
01:03:25,033 --> 01:03:27,767
Rules that you're gonna have different areas

1258
01:03:27,867 --> 01:03:30,066
of collaboration between the towns to make sure that they,

1259
01:03:30,300 --> 01:03:31,934
they can find some consensus.

1260
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:33,533
That's one area that's there.

1261
01:03:34,133 --> 01:03:36,934
Ultimately this part here is, I mean the state just needs

1262
01:03:36,934 --> 01:03:39,033
to know if the town's gonna commit the $12,000

1263
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:41,867
and then there's other areas that you could look at

1264
01:03:41,867 --> 01:03:43,700
for collaboration with other towns when it comes

1265
01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:44,834
to the management of that.

1266
01:03:44,934 --> 01:03:46,333
And that's kind of a longer term

1267
01:03:47,266 --> 01:03:49,066
item where it comes to this. Okay.

1268
01:03:49,300 --> 01:03:53,300
- I just meant as far as us agreeing to give them some cash,

1269
01:03:53,333 --> 01:03:56,767
whether or not we need that in a more formal sort of

1270
01:03:57,533 --> 01:03:58,567
agreement or

1271
01:03:58,734 --> 01:03:59,734
- Document.

1272
01:03:59,734 --> 01:04:01,100
I, I haven't had anything really provided from the state.

1273
01:04:01,100 --> 01:04:02,066
Okay. That that's it.

1274
01:04:02,066 --> 01:04:05,333
But ultimately it's, it's, it's, it's similar to when we,

1275
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:10,000
like when we just did route 100 work with that, that was,

1276
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:14,734
that was an MPI project, whereas we just, you know,

1277
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,000
our local share was like 50% of that.

1278
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,300
So we got like a $1.4 million project for 700 grand

1279
01:04:22,367 --> 01:04:25,033
and that's just how some of those are set up. Okay.

1280
01:04:25,433 --> 01:04:29,266
- So as long as it's good then. Yeah. Seems legit.

1281
01:04:30,300 --> 01:04:32,533
- Anybody have any more questions of Matt? Go ahead.

1282
01:04:34,166 --> 01:04:36,500
- We are doing a, a study

1283
01:04:36,667 --> 01:04:40,066
or engineering work for the reconstruction of Greeley Road

1284
01:04:40,433 --> 01:04:43,467
and there is cost associated with that.

1285
01:04:45,166 --> 01:04:46,300
This is a little different.

1286
01:04:47,133 --> 01:04:50,233
Would it be appropriate if the council moves forward

1287
01:04:50,300 --> 01:04:55,100
with a endorsement tonight to make that subject to a review

1288
01:04:55,166 --> 01:04:57,634
of a document of some sort?

1289
01:04:58,266 --> 01:05:00,266
Or was it It would be

1290
01:05:02,533 --> 01:05:03,767
Green Road's a little different.

1291
01:05:04,567 --> 01:05:08,333
It's a town, it's, we're the only entity involved with it,

1292
01:05:08,333 --> 01:05:10,066
but whereas this is multiple entities,

1293
01:05:10,467 --> 01:05:12,367
would it be appropriate for us to say

1294
01:05:13,166 --> 01:05:18,133
our endorsement is subject to the review of something?

1295
01:05:22,033 --> 01:05:25,233
- Well, - May, may I jump in on that?

1296
01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:27,433
- I, I would love it if you would Councilor Foley.

1297
01:05:28,166 --> 01:05:30,667
- I, I'd say I, I, I get where you're going, Bob.

1298
01:05:31,233 --> 01:05:32,367
I think for the amount of money.

1299
01:05:32,634 --> 01:05:34,000
That's quite a bit of a, that's a,

1300
01:05:34,867 --> 01:05:36,767
I understand we want accountability,

1301
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:39,767
but I do think that's a, an administrative burden, right?

1302
01:05:39,767 --> 01:05:42,233
That I think we can trust the town staff to look at

1303
01:05:42,233 --> 01:05:44,066
that agreement and figure it out.

1304
01:05:45,367 --> 01:05:49,900
If we did that for Route 100 for substantially more cash, I,

1305
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:52,667
I think, I think we can work through this one.

1306
01:05:52,667 --> 01:05:54,166
I think that was the answer. I was, and trust the

1307
01:05:54,166 --> 01:05:55,233
town manager to do that.

1308
01:05:56,233 --> 01:05:57,900
- I think that was the answer I was looking for.

1309
01:05:58,133 --> 01:05:59,367
- Thank you Councilor Fett.

1310
01:06:00,100 --> 01:06:01,233
- Any more questions from the council?

1311
01:06:03,066 --> 01:06:07,033
Alright, this is a public hearing we would ask you come up.

1312
01:06:08,033 --> 01:06:09,033
There's a lot of people in the room.

1313
01:06:09,033 --> 01:06:11,300
Just keep that in mind when you make any comments, you have

1314
01:06:11,300 --> 01:06:13,000
to, you're allowed up to five minutes.

1315
01:06:13,333 --> 01:06:15,934
We want to hear from you, but just keep in mind there's a

1316
01:06:15,934 --> 01:06:17,033
pile of people behind you.

1317
01:06:17,133 --> 01:06:21,433
So anyway, somebody step up. Come on up. Phil.

1318
01:06:23,767 --> 01:06:27,033
- Yeah, - Patty.

1319
01:06:27,066 --> 01:06:29,934
I'm Phil Gleason, longtime Cumberland resident

1320
01:06:30,133 --> 01:06:32,934
and I'm also affiliated

1321
01:06:33,033 --> 01:06:36,767
with the Casco Bay Trail Alliance group, which is sort of

1322
01:06:37,266 --> 01:06:40,533
working to move this trail forward

1323
01:06:40,700 --> 01:06:42,367
with the municipalities involved.

1324
01:06:43,133 --> 01:06:45,367
I think it's important to emphasize that and,

1325
01:06:45,500 --> 01:06:47,533
and I think this has already been said by Matt,

1326
01:06:47,533 --> 01:06:50,700
but it's worth saying again that the only issue

1327
01:06:51,367 --> 01:06:55,767
on the table tonight is writing a check

1328
01:06:55,867 --> 01:06:58,667
for 12 grand to participate in the design

1329
01:06:58,734 --> 01:07:00,634
and planning of the trail,

1330
01:07:01,133 --> 01:07:03,033
assuming the trail ultimately goes forward.

1331
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:06,100
There will be multiple steps after that,

1332
01:07:07,900 --> 01:07:11,166
but I think it's important

1333
01:07:11,333 --> 01:07:14,166
that the town be involved at an early stage.

1334
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,033
The, you know, the phrase

1335
01:07:17,033 --> 01:07:19,033
that we use is we want a seat at the table.

1336
01:07:19,166 --> 01:07:23,066
It doesn't, writing, writing a check for 12 grand to get

1337
01:07:23,066 --> 01:07:27,100
that seat at the table commits us to nothing further.

1338
01:07:28,066 --> 01:07:30,000
And I think that's often misunderstood,

1339
01:07:30,467 --> 01:07:33,000
although you've probably heard me say that enough so that

1340
01:07:35,133 --> 01:07:38,467
you, you get it at this point, you know

1341
01:07:38,467 --> 01:07:40,000
what happens down the road.

1342
01:07:40,033 --> 01:07:43,133
I, this project is not gonna get built

1343
01:07:43,900 --> 01:07:45,500
and construction will not start

1344
01:07:45,667 --> 01:07:47,000
for at least a couple of years.

1345
01:07:47,066 --> 01:07:50,467
So it's a long way off. I'm 78 years old.

1346
01:07:50,533 --> 01:07:52,166
I hope I get to ride on this trail,

1347
01:07:52,300 --> 01:07:54,000
but I think it's gonna be a close call.

1348
01:07:55,533 --> 01:07:58,634
So I, I don't have anything more to say than that.

1349
01:07:58,900 --> 01:08:01,000
I'm here to answer your questions

1350
01:08:01,100 --> 01:08:03,133
and if any members of the public have questions,

1351
01:08:03,133 --> 01:08:05,867
I'll do my best to respond to those as well.

1352
01:08:06,333 --> 01:08:08,266
- Thank you Phil, and thank you for what you've done

1353
01:08:08,266 --> 01:08:10,900
for the town currently and in the past.

1354
01:08:11,634 --> 01:08:14,700
Anybody else, step up, please introduce

1355
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:16,000
- Yourself.And,

1356
01:08:23,066 --> 01:08:25,333
Hi, I'm David Brink, also of Cumberland

1357
01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:28,100
and as we, you were speaking

1358
01:08:28,100 --> 01:08:30,934
before, working with your neighbors, your towns

1359
01:08:30,934 --> 01:08:35,100
of North Yarmouth, et cetera, to the schooling

1360
01:08:35,166 --> 01:08:40,100
and also the trails up at the ponds and whatnot.

1361
01:08:41,133 --> 01:08:42,300
Portland is on board with this.

1362
01:08:43,333 --> 01:08:44,500
Fath is on board with this

1363
01:08:45,934 --> 01:08:47,500
and Yarmouth is on board with this

1364
01:08:48,567 --> 01:08:53,000
and it makes total sense to work with our

1365
01:08:53,734 --> 01:08:55,767
neighbors to just get a peek at

1366
01:08:55,767 --> 01:08:57,000
this to see what it's gonna be.

1367
01:08:57,233 --> 01:08:58,700
And if we don't get a peek at this

1368
01:09:00,066 --> 01:09:03,934
and we'll have more opportunity to design this if we

1369
01:09:04,767 --> 01:09:07,033
start now rather than wait later.

1370
01:09:07,133 --> 01:09:10,133
It's, I think it's a very small price to pay for

1371
01:09:11,033 --> 01:09:12,567
what the potential of this can be.

1372
01:09:13,133 --> 01:09:16,867
Thank you. Thank you David. Anybody else? Please?

1373
01:09:20,667 --> 01:09:22,367
- Good evening. I'm Mark Isaacson,

1374
01:09:22,367 --> 01:09:24,033
30 year resident in Cumberland.

1375
01:09:25,066 --> 01:09:27,233
Urge you to go forward with this.

1376
01:09:27,900 --> 01:09:30,233
Been a long time cyclist since I was a boy

1377
01:09:32,934 --> 01:09:35,433
and I think it's important that Cumberland

1378
01:09:36,133 --> 01:09:38,734
have an opportunity to participate in this design

1379
01:09:39,266 --> 01:09:43,033
and one of my great concerns is the prevalence

1380
01:09:43,100 --> 01:09:45,734
and ever increasing velocity of e-bikes

1381
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:51,033
and it's important that Cumberland have a voice in

1382
01:09:51,066 --> 01:09:54,567
how this thing gets used and make sure that it's safe

1383
01:09:54,734 --> 01:09:58,467
and that it doesn't turn into a motorcycle trail frankly.

1384
01:09:59,300 --> 01:10:02,367
So I urge you to support this and have a seat at that table.

1385
01:10:02,533 --> 01:10:03,533
Thank you. Thank you.

1386
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:06,233
- Somebody else?

1387
01:10:15,700 --> 01:10:17,000
- Hi, my name is Lucia Stanoff.

1388
01:10:17,066 --> 01:10:18,333
I'm a resident of Cumberland.

1389
01:10:18,333 --> 01:10:20,233
I've been here about 13 years on Tuttle Road.

1390
01:10:21,033 --> 01:10:23,266
I'm also executive director of the Gear Hub.

1391
01:10:23,734 --> 01:10:26,433
And I just wanted to speak today that opening the door

1392
01:10:26,467 --> 01:10:29,133
to this trail is about more than just recreation,

1393
01:10:30,033 --> 01:10:31,266
it's also about transportation.

1394
01:10:32,467 --> 01:10:34,934
As somebody who has firsthand experience working with people

1395
01:10:34,934 --> 01:10:37,133
who can't afford cars or looking to get around,

1396
01:10:37,300 --> 01:10:40,367
opening the door to this design would also allow us

1397
01:10:40,367 --> 01:10:42,467
to open the door to people in Cumberland

1398
01:10:42,500 --> 01:10:44,900
and other towns who might have difficulty

1399
01:10:45,500 --> 01:10:47,900
navigating the roads by bicycle

1400
01:10:48,867 --> 01:10:51,834
and might want a safer way to get from town to town.

1401
01:10:52,467 --> 01:10:54,266
As a kid, I lived in affordable housing.

1402
01:10:54,567 --> 01:10:56,900
My job was in Falmouth, I lived in Yarmouth

1403
01:10:57,700 --> 01:11:00,266
and I had to drive, I had to figure out a way to get a car.

1404
01:11:00,634 --> 01:11:02,934
It was really hard. A lot of high schoolers on the road.

1405
01:11:03,433 --> 01:11:05,900
Bicycling is a lot safer opportunity for people

1406
01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:07,000
to get from place to place.

1407
01:11:07,367 --> 01:11:10,934
And I think that if we can look at this trail design like

1408
01:11:11,467 --> 01:11:14,500
has already been said about opening the door, I just wanted

1409
01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:16,100
to remind everyone we're opening the door

1410
01:11:16,100 --> 01:11:18,233
to more than just recreation with this trail.

1411
01:11:18,934 --> 01:11:20,567
We're opening the door to cleaner air

1412
01:11:20,567 --> 01:11:22,734
and we're opening the door to transportation

1413
01:11:23,700 --> 01:11:25,500
and reaching those who who need it.

1414
01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:26,834
So thank you for considering it

1415
01:11:26,834 --> 01:11:29,033
and I urge you to vote to open that door.

1416
01:11:30,233 --> 01:11:30,767
- Thank you.

1417
01:11:39,166 --> 01:11:41,066
- Hi, good evening. Brian Allenby

1418
01:11:41,300 --> 01:11:42,500
up on live Up on Main Street.

1419
01:11:43,133 --> 01:11:45,066
Thanks for taking this under consideration.

1420
01:11:45,133 --> 01:11:46,500
I'm here to urge you to vote

1421
01:11:46,500 --> 01:11:48,467
to take part in the planning process as well.

1422
01:11:49,900 --> 01:11:51,066
Two quick points to make.

1423
01:11:51,767 --> 01:11:54,734
Over the past few weeks, David and, and a few other folks

1424
01:11:54,934 --> 01:11:56,133
and I have organized

1425
01:11:56,133 --> 01:11:58,100
and reached out to a number of residents

1426
01:11:58,100 --> 01:12:01,233
and we have over $3,500 in private commitments.

1427
01:12:01,233 --> 01:12:02,266
This is above and

1428
01:12:02,266 --> 01:12:04,700
beyond anything the Casco Bay Association has been doing.

1429
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,734
Folks saying, I'll give 50 bucks, a hundred bucks

1430
01:12:06,734 --> 01:12:08,066
because they believe in this

1431
01:12:08,133 --> 01:12:09,367
and they want this for their town.

1432
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:11,934
So it's over 30 residents, $3,500.

1433
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,233
I think even with a little more time,

1434
01:12:13,233 --> 01:12:14,500
if we needed it, we could get there.

1435
01:12:14,634 --> 01:12:17,000
So I think it's important to, to understand

1436
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,000
that there are folks in this town that believe it enough

1437
01:12:19,033 --> 01:12:22,066
that even if the town weren't to fund it, they would pay

1438
01:12:22,066 --> 01:12:23,500
for it out of their own pocket, which

1439
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:24,567
hopefully won't be necessary.

1440
01:12:26,133 --> 01:12:29,000
Second point, this, this has stirred up.

1441
01:12:29,066 --> 01:12:31,066
I it feels a lot like the conversation we had

1442
01:12:31,066 --> 01:12:33,033
around Harris Road not that long ago.

1443
01:12:33,867 --> 01:12:36,066
And so I was looking back through the, the newspapers

1444
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:37,700
and looking back through some of the coverage

1445
01:12:37,700 --> 01:12:41,867
and there was a quote from a town counselor as,

1446
01:12:41,934 --> 01:12:44,066
as we were going through all those proceedings

1447
01:12:44,066 --> 01:12:46,634
and she said the road connection would help improve

1448
01:12:46,634 --> 01:12:49,000
connectivity and one of the comprehensive plans goals is

1449
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:50,934
to reduce the town's number of dead end roads.

1450
01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:53,700
She thought, hey, that sounds a lot like this, right?

1451
01:12:53,700 --> 01:12:56,333
We're we're increasing comp connectivity for the town

1452
01:12:56,333 --> 01:12:58,567
and we're really trying to look at the, the town's comp plan

1453
01:12:58,567 --> 01:13:02,100
and and how to, how to factor that in, right?

1454
01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:03,767
And how to make decisions based on those things.

1455
01:13:04,667 --> 01:13:08,000
And you know, I know there, as with Harris Road, there was,

1456
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,100
you know, folks and I see some of the folks in the room here

1457
01:13:10,133 --> 01:13:11,834
who were impacted by that decision.

1458
01:13:12,533 --> 01:13:14,133
And so there, there are always some folks

1459
01:13:14,133 --> 01:13:15,634
who are gonna be more impacted than others,

1460
01:13:15,867 --> 01:13:19,734
but that counselor saw fit to kind of put, put the goods

1461
01:13:19,734 --> 01:13:21,000
of the, the needs of the many ahead

1462
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:22,233
of the needs of the one, right?

1463
01:13:22,367 --> 01:13:24,700
And so I think it's important to remember

1464
01:13:24,700 --> 01:13:26,100
that in, in this case as well.

1465
01:13:27,266 --> 01:13:30,066
And I am sorry 'cause I don't think Shirley is here,

1466
01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:31,266
but that was Shirley's quote,

1467
01:13:31,333 --> 01:13:34,700
so I thought we could ask her about that too. Thank you.

1468
01:13:35,266 --> 01:13:37,333
- Thank you. Anybody else?

1469
01:13:40,767 --> 01:13:41,100
- Okay.

1470
01:13:45,734 --> 01:13:49,934
- Again, Chrisia Griller Road, as I stated

1471
01:13:49,934 --> 01:13:53,000
before, this trail is gonna happen whether you're,

1472
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,767
it's the seat of the table or not, it isn't a lot of money.

1473
01:13:56,900 --> 01:13:59,066
No money's money though.

1474
01:13:59,266 --> 01:14:04,066
So I'd almost say before this

1475
01:14:04,367 --> 01:14:07,300
and, and and before it to, to be at the seat of the table

1476
01:14:07,333 --> 01:14:09,634
and to say, okay, we do want to have access to it.

1477
01:14:09,867 --> 01:14:12,867
Where is Cumberland's access gonna be and,

1478
01:14:12,934 --> 01:14:14,000
and how do we get to it?

1479
01:14:15,500 --> 01:14:17,500
Lee mentioned e-bikes.

1480
01:14:17,734 --> 01:14:19,000
Well I, I drive for a living,

1481
01:14:19,367 --> 01:14:21,033
I see e-bikes all over the place,

1482
01:14:21,834 --> 01:14:26,066
so this would be a connector for people to run e-bikes

1483
01:14:27,900 --> 01:14:30,033
down the road and be able to pull 'em back and forth.

1484
01:14:30,100 --> 01:14:31,133
It would give them access

1485
01:14:31,900 --> 01:14:35,066
and get them off the road As I drive for a living,

1486
01:14:35,266 --> 01:14:39,033
a a big tri wheeler, it's the bikes are you, you pull up

1487
01:14:39,033 --> 01:14:42,300
and you get scared to make sure you can get around them and

1488
01:14:42,367 --> 01:14:43,533
and give them enough space.

1489
01:14:44,333 --> 01:14:47,000
So this would be a good connector for that.

1490
01:14:47,233 --> 01:14:50,700
So I just wanted to say that. So

1491
01:14:50,834 --> 01:14:51,834
- Thanks Chris.

1492
01:14:53,166 --> 01:14:54,166
Anybody else?

1493
01:15:00,367 --> 01:15:02,533
- Good evening counselors. I'm here.

1494
01:15:02,567 --> 01:15:05,166
David Tulip, my daughter lives at Hillcrest

1495
01:15:05,367 --> 01:15:06,500
Drive with her fiance.

1496
01:15:07,867 --> 01:15:10,033
She's an adaptive rider, drives all

1497
01:15:10,033 --> 01:15:11,867
around Cumberland on a recumbent bike

1498
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:14,467
and having that dedicated trail would be

1499
01:15:15,033 --> 01:15:16,867
fabulous for her and her fiance. Thank

1500
01:15:16,867 --> 01:15:17,867
- You.

1501
01:15:17,867 --> 01:15:18,133
Thank you.

1502
01:15:23,867 --> 01:15:28,033
- Ah, I'm Jonathan Lab on two 70 Main Street and I've spoken

1503
01:15:28,033 --> 01:15:29,700
before in support of this

1504
01:15:29,734 --> 01:15:33,533
and I'm, I'm here again just to urge you to commit the funds

1505
01:15:33,567 --> 01:15:35,900
and get us involved in this, in this study.

1506
01:15:35,900 --> 01:15:37,433
There's, I understand there's a lot of issues,

1507
01:15:37,433 --> 01:15:38,700
but it's a huge opportunity.

1508
01:15:38,834 --> 01:15:40,533
It's a really exciting opportunity for those of us

1509
01:15:40,533 --> 01:15:43,767
who love the trails and bike and commute by bike.

1510
01:15:44,033 --> 01:15:47,500
And so would love to see us be part of this

1511
01:15:47,767 --> 01:15:50,033
and understand the design

1512
01:15:50,066 --> 01:15:51,734
and figure out how to address some

1513
01:15:51,734 --> 01:15:52,767
of the concerns that are out there.

1514
01:15:52,900 --> 01:15:56,100
But see this as just a huge community building opportunity

1515
01:15:56,100 --> 01:15:57,266
for us and we're excited about it.

1516
01:15:57,333 --> 01:15:59,367
So hope you vote for it. Thank you.

1517
01:15:59,700 --> 01:16:00,367
- Thank you Jonathan.

1518
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,100
- Jonathan Hos from Cumberland.

1519
01:16:05,300 --> 01:16:07,000
I just want to let you know that my wife

1520
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:10,066
and I have found rail trails in our late sixties

1521
01:16:10,567 --> 01:16:11,767
and absolutely love them.

1522
01:16:12,033 --> 01:16:13,634
We have been to Cape Cod, we've been

1523
01:16:13,634 --> 01:16:15,166
to Montreal, we've been to Vermont.

1524
01:16:15,767 --> 01:16:18,734
And it is a wonderful way of developing community

1525
01:16:18,734 --> 01:16:20,133
for the times that you're on the trail.

1526
01:16:21,133 --> 01:16:23,133
You meet people from all parts of the world,

1527
01:16:23,300 --> 01:16:24,500
you have conversations.

1528
01:16:25,066 --> 01:16:28,266
The economic boost is unbelievable as people stop

1529
01:16:28,266 --> 01:16:30,767
to get lunch somewhere or a cup of coffee.

1530
01:16:31,333 --> 01:16:34,300
And I just think as far as in this day

1531
01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:36,066
and age of, of divisiveness

1532
01:16:36,300 --> 01:16:38,500
and meanness, that this is an opportunity

1533
01:16:38,834 --> 01:16:40,500
to meld communities together.

1534
01:16:41,734 --> 01:16:45,433
- Thank you very much. Anybody

1535
01:16:45,433 --> 01:16:47,700
else please

1536
01:16:52,634 --> 01:16:53,667
- Eli Wilson Range Road.

1537
01:16:53,734 --> 01:16:55,533
I'd like to second what I heard from so many people.

1538
01:16:56,266 --> 01:16:58,133
As somebody who bike commutes,

1539
01:16:58,367 --> 01:17:02,000
I really would appreciate having a designated area

1540
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:03,066
that isn't next to cars.

1541
01:17:03,100 --> 01:17:07,100
That's fantastic, but even more so what I wanna speak to is

1542
01:17:07,834 --> 01:17:08,900
I've got two young kids

1543
01:17:09,033 --> 01:17:10,533
and it would be great to have a place

1544
01:17:10,533 --> 01:17:12,000
where I felt safe to bring them.

1545
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,467
And I know they will be old enough by the time this is built

1546
01:17:14,467 --> 01:17:16,100
that it might not be for them, but,

1547
01:17:16,133 --> 01:17:18,533
but like it would be nice to have a place

1548
01:17:18,533 --> 01:17:22,467
where you feel comfortable to take kids, to learn to bike.

1549
01:17:22,467 --> 01:17:24,767
That's a long stretch. It's not just going around the,

1550
01:17:25,367 --> 01:17:30,100
you know, the school like parking lots or whatever.

1551
01:17:30,634 --> 01:17:34,333
So for, for that reason, I, I think it's, you know,

1552
01:17:34,333 --> 01:17:35,567
one more, one more reason.

1553
01:17:35,867 --> 01:17:37,734
- Thank you. Please.

1554
01:17:40,066 --> 01:17:42,567
- Hi, my name's Tiffany Townsend. I live on Middle Road.

1555
01:17:42,634 --> 01:17:44,834
I'm in butter to the, the trail rail.

1556
01:17:44,934 --> 01:17:48,100
And first I wanna say that I am

1557
01:17:48,567 --> 01:17:49,934
hugely in support of this.

1558
01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:52,867
I was here a couple of weeks ago

1559
01:17:52,867 --> 01:17:54,834
or months ago when Dakota was here

1560
01:17:54,834 --> 01:17:56,500
and a couple other questions came up

1561
01:17:58,066 --> 01:18:01,667
and one of them is

1562
01:18:01,667 --> 01:18:03,100
that I have heard tonight

1563
01:18:03,100 --> 01:18:04,867
that there will be a seat at the table.

1564
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:07,734
I have also heard some of my neighbors say that

1565
01:18:07,734 --> 01:18:09,500
that is a lie, that we won't have a seat

1566
01:18:09,500 --> 01:18:10,567
at any sort of table.

1567
01:18:10,834 --> 01:18:12,333
And so I'm hoping that maybe

1568
01:18:12,333 --> 01:18:14,133
that could be addressed in your convers in

1569
01:18:14,133 --> 01:18:15,033
your discussion tonight.

1570
01:18:15,233 --> 01:18:20,133
I don't know what $12,000 gets us other than, you know,

1571
01:18:20,133 --> 01:18:22,567
we're saying that yes, as a community we support this,

1572
01:18:23,100 --> 01:18:27,000
but I'd like to know exactly what a seat at the table means

1573
01:18:27,567 --> 01:18:30,700
if, if that's possible to hear from.

1574
01:18:33,634 --> 01:18:34,667
I also would like to know,

1575
01:18:34,667 --> 01:18:36,567
and I don't expect this to be done tonight,

1576
01:18:36,567 --> 01:18:38,333
but I'm seeing the questions here for the record.

1577
01:18:40,066 --> 01:18:42,367
I'm curious if there are any reliable studies

1578
01:18:42,634 --> 01:18:46,100
that are out there that showing that an abutters property

1579
01:18:46,133 --> 01:18:49,133
to a rail trail either enhances

1580
01:18:49,100 --> 01:18:51,133
or detracts from property values.

1581
01:18:51,500 --> 01:18:53,667
I have not heard anything about that conversation

1582
01:18:53,834 --> 01:18:56,066
and a quick search on my own.

1583
01:18:56,100 --> 01:18:57,734
I have not been able to find anything of that.

1584
01:18:59,266 --> 01:19:03,166
Secondly, my, or my next question is, there's quite a bit

1585
01:19:03,166 --> 01:19:06,000
of noise on 2 95 when I sit in my backyard.

1586
01:19:06,266 --> 01:19:08,500
It's a white noise humming in the background.

1587
01:19:09,233 --> 01:19:12,734
And so I'm hopeful that if we do get a voice in

1588
01:19:12,734 --> 01:19:15,900
what this project looks like, will there be a noise study?

1589
01:19:15,900 --> 01:19:18,667
Because it would be a, a terrible disservice

1590
01:19:18,834 --> 01:19:21,467
to have this project go through all this money be spent

1591
01:19:22,066 --> 01:19:24,133
and two people can't walk along this trail

1592
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:25,033
and have a conversation

1593
01:19:25,033 --> 01:19:27,634
because the noise from the traffic is so loud,

1594
01:19:28,867 --> 01:19:31,567
probably not an issue with the commuters as their, you know,

1595
01:19:31,567 --> 01:19:33,333
maybe ear budding or something of that nature.

1596
01:19:33,500 --> 01:19:36,266
But for the, the casual family or

1597
01:19:36,367 --> 01:19:38,634
or community member to walk on this trail,

1598
01:19:39,367 --> 01:19:41,000
that could be a significant component.

1599
01:19:41,066 --> 01:19:42,166
Thanks so much for your time.

1600
01:19:42,367 --> 01:19:46,734
- Thank you. Anybody else

1601
01:19:47,066 --> 01:19:49,133
before we bring it back to the council?

1602
01:19:52,066 --> 01:19:54,300
Seeing none, I'll open it up please.

1603
01:20:03,834 --> 01:20:06,266
- Hi, Craig Wener on Labrador Lane in Cumberland.

1604
01:20:06,634 --> 01:20:09,467
The other part that I think is important about the $12,000

1605
01:20:09,467 --> 01:20:12,233
funding to get to be part of the community,

1606
01:20:12,567 --> 01:20:15,467
the planning project is I know that, you know,

1607
01:20:15,467 --> 01:20:19,000
we've talked a lot about re regionalization and cost sharing

1608
01:20:19,133 --> 01:20:22,100
and sort of thoughtful planning with our neighbor partners,

1609
01:20:22,100 --> 01:20:25,133
whether it be through, you know, mass purchasing

1610
01:20:25,166 --> 01:20:28,266
or something like that with the inherent costs

1611
01:20:28,266 --> 01:20:31,133
that will come necessarily for planning this.

1612
01:20:31,233 --> 01:20:33,767
And we're planning for future costs efforts.

1613
01:20:33,767 --> 01:20:35,266
It's actually built, it would be great

1614
01:20:35,266 --> 01:20:36,634
to be part of those discussions.

1615
01:20:36,634 --> 01:20:39,133
So it's a thoughtful process that involves everybody

1616
01:20:39,433 --> 01:20:42,266
because I, I, I personally, without knowing for sure,

1617
01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:44,000
think it's going to end up happening

1618
01:20:44,567 --> 01:20:45,567
'cause it's happening on property

1619
01:20:45,567 --> 01:20:46,834
that we don't necessarily control.

1620
01:20:47,166 --> 01:20:49,033
But if we're part of the organization

1621
01:20:49,033 --> 01:20:51,033
that actually strategically decides how

1622
01:20:51,033 --> 01:20:54,000
to fund it moving forward, like people are, you know,

1623
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:57,000
raising funds privately, now there's an opportunity to

1624
01:20:57,033 --> 01:20:58,266
for you all or whoever gets

1625
01:20:58,266 --> 01:21:00,066
designated to be part of that process.

1626
01:21:00,133 --> 01:21:03,133
So again, the focus on regionalization I think is

1627
01:21:03,133 --> 01:21:06,066
where we get cost savings over time. So thank you.

1628
01:21:06,033 --> 01:21:11,000
- Thanks Greg. Anybody else in the

1629
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,667
public please?

1630
01:21:12,700 --> 01:21:13,700
John?

1631
01:21:20,734 --> 01:21:25,000
- John 10 44 Laurel Lane. Speaking for myself this time.

1632
01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:27,767
I just wanted to say,

1633
01:21:27,834 --> 01:21:30,533
I know Tiffany touched upon this talking about people

1634
01:21:30,533 --> 01:21:31,734
walking on the trails,

1635
01:21:31,734 --> 01:21:34,233
but the all we've heard tonight is about bikers.

1636
01:21:35,066 --> 01:21:38,066
I think this is, this is stated as a multi-use trail.

1637
01:21:39,100 --> 01:21:42,100
I myself have run over a hundred miles

1638
01:21:42,734 --> 01:21:45,467
this year on rail trails south of Portland.

1639
01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:48,500
I would appreciate having one closer by that.

1640
01:21:48,533 --> 01:21:50,834
I didn't have to drive so far to,

1641
01:21:51,333 --> 01:21:55,266
but while I'm running I see lots of people, I see bikers,

1642
01:21:55,700 --> 01:21:57,467
I see walkers, I see runners.

1643
01:21:57,867 --> 01:22:00,233
And I think it's important to realize that there are a lot

1644
01:22:00,233 --> 01:22:03,467
of people including bikers that would be using this trail.

1645
01:22:04,700 --> 01:22:08,867
- Thanks Sean. All right,

1646
01:22:18,934 --> 01:22:19,934
- Super - Quick.

1647
01:22:20,066 --> 01:22:22,000
Lala Caruthers from Main Street in Cumberland

1648
01:22:22,567 --> 01:22:24,100
and I coach Nordic skiing

1649
01:22:24,166 --> 01:22:27,734
and with our, we hope it's not a shortened snow season this

1650
01:22:27,734 --> 01:22:31,500
year, but before the season starts it's really nice

1651
01:22:31,500 --> 01:22:35,033
to have a place to go roller skiing or running

1652
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,367
or whatever that doesn't include a parking lot,

1653
01:22:37,367 --> 01:22:38,867
which can be a little bit scary,

1654
01:22:39,367 --> 01:22:40,834
especially at the middle school level.

1655
01:22:40,934 --> 01:22:43,066
So just throwing that out there too. Thank you.

1656
01:22:43,467 --> 01:22:47,433
- Thank you - Bill.

1657
01:22:59,333 --> 01:23:00,333
So

1658
01:23:01,066 --> 01:23:04,166
- I'm all for the planning part of this.

1659
01:23:04,934 --> 01:23:06,867
I think the $12,000 will be well spent.

1660
01:23:08,033 --> 01:23:10,266
What I'm hearing though is that we're going forward

1661
01:23:11,133 --> 01:23:12,100
and I wasn't gonna say anything

1662
01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:13,867
'cause I'm all for the planning part of it,

1663
01:23:14,333 --> 01:23:17,367
but you know, I also kind of belong to that tax group

1664
01:23:18,734 --> 01:23:20,066
and so I wanna read you a couple of things.

1665
01:23:21,567 --> 01:23:22,567
Not a great public speaker.

1666
01:23:23,133 --> 01:23:24,066
So I wrote it down,

1667
01:23:24,734 --> 01:23:26,734
so I'm gonna throw a blanket on this just for a second.

1668
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,100
So first the school came out with something today,

1669
01:23:30,634 --> 01:23:33,634
so I'll read this first budget preview.

1670
01:23:33,734 --> 01:23:36,133
I've anticipated expenses associated with the shift

1671
01:23:36,133 --> 01:23:38,700
to new grade spans in 27 28.

1672
01:23:39,066 --> 01:23:41,367
It may feel like it's a bit early

1673
01:23:41,367 --> 01:23:45,667
to be talking about the district's budget a year in advance,

1674
01:23:45,867 --> 01:23:47,133
but with the upcoming opening

1675
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:48,667
of the new Carol F. Small school

1676
01:23:49,100 --> 01:23:51,700
and one campus shift in grade levels, I'm starting

1677
01:23:51,700 --> 01:23:54,433
to bring information to the board while in advance

1678
01:23:54,834 --> 01:23:56,033
of the typical budget season.

1679
01:23:56,900 --> 01:24:00,567
Much of the anticipated budgetary implications in 27 28

1680
01:24:00,867 --> 01:24:03,133
includes staffing increases for the new school, building

1681
01:24:03,734 --> 01:24:06,634
a new state law, shifting special education services

1682
01:24:06,700 --> 01:24:09,734
for three or four year olds to local schools.

1683
01:24:10,100 --> 01:24:13,133
Continuing staffing additions to meet increases

1684
01:24:13,767 --> 01:24:16,166
in student enrollment, debt service on the new building,

1685
01:24:16,900 --> 01:24:20,100
estimated utility costs and expense reductions.

1686
01:24:20,266 --> 01:24:22,734
Woo, after the modular classrooms are

1687
01:24:22,734 --> 01:24:24,500
removed, that came out today.

1688
01:24:25,867 --> 01:24:26,033
All right,

1689
01:24:31,367 --> 01:24:33,333
Now some of you don't read Facebook,

1690
01:24:34,066 --> 01:24:35,934
but I wrote something this past week.

1691
01:24:39,300 --> 01:24:43,100
Voters in the SAD 51 district voted in a school bond

1692
01:24:43,100 --> 01:24:44,300
of 53.5 million,

1693
01:24:44,634 --> 01:24:47,533
which included the new school turf field and maintenance building.

1694
01:24:48,033 --> 01:24:51,734
Soon the board will be locking in the bond rate, likely be

1695
01:24:52,433 --> 01:24:53,934
anywhere between four and 5%.

1696
01:24:54,367 --> 01:24:56,700
It came in at the estimated 4%.

1697
01:24:56,934 --> 01:25:01,000
Were well over 5% on a double a bond right now.

1698
01:25:02,100 --> 01:25:03,533
And this will last for 30 years

1699
01:25:03,533 --> 01:25:05,166
unless they're able to shorten the term

1700
01:25:05,166 --> 01:25:06,533
with larger, more frequent payments.

1701
01:25:07,033 --> 01:25:09,000
We did a new school, we voted on it

1702
01:25:09,066 --> 01:25:10,266
and now we are going to pay for it

1703
01:25:10,266 --> 01:25:11,734
with no help from anyone in government.

1704
01:25:12,033 --> 01:25:14,433
Just the residents of which 60%

1705
01:25:15,066 --> 01:25:16,934
have no children in the school system.

1706
01:25:18,433 --> 01:25:20,000
Recently, my wife and I were in Ellsworth

1707
01:25:20,533 --> 01:25:22,900
on our way home from Upta camp

1708
01:25:23,767 --> 01:25:26,934
and stopped in to see an exhibit of 12 main mighty girls

1709
01:25:27,133 --> 01:25:28,433
who had great influence.

1710
01:25:28,900 --> 01:25:31,233
The exhibit was called 12 Main Women Portraits

1711
01:25:31,233 --> 01:25:33,367
of Change sponsored by the Francis Perkins Center.

1712
01:25:34,300 --> 01:25:36,767
One of them was Sherry Mitchell, she's a lawyer,

1713
01:25:37,066 --> 01:25:38,867
an indigenous and human rights advocate.

1714
01:25:39,266 --> 01:25:40,467
Each woman had a quote

1715
01:25:40,500 --> 01:25:42,000
and her quote kind of struck me,

1716
01:25:43,066 --> 01:25:44,634
of course it was about the course

1717
01:25:44,634 --> 01:25:47,066
that we are taking in these two towns in regards to

1718
01:25:47,066 --> 01:25:48,634
how taxes are putting a major bur

1719
01:25:48,634 --> 01:25:49,767
major burden on many folks.

1720
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:54,467
Her quote, please listen carefully, I had

1721
01:25:54,467 --> 01:25:57,066
to read it a number of times, rights

1722
01:25:57,066 --> 01:25:59,233
and responsibilities cannot be separated.

1723
01:25:59,934 --> 01:26:03,033
Every right we stand upon must be balanced by a set

1724
01:26:03,033 --> 01:26:04,867
of corresponding responsibilities.

1725
01:26:05,834 --> 01:26:07,834
We cannot legitimately make a demand

1726
01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:10,367
unless we are willing to take responsibility

1727
01:26:10,467 --> 01:26:13,367
for creating a world where that demand can be met.

1728
01:26:14,233 --> 01:26:17,033
Can that demand be met by the seniors in this town

1729
01:26:17,266 --> 01:26:19,066
and the other people that are struggling?

1730
01:26:19,100 --> 01:26:20,000
We all know, right?

1731
01:26:21,133 --> 01:26:23,033
So as we go forward this year

1732
01:26:23,033 --> 01:26:25,467
and into budget season, we hope that when you go

1733
01:26:25,467 --> 01:26:27,634
to vote on any budget item, you realize how

1734
01:26:27,634 --> 01:26:29,033
that vote will affect the community.

1735
01:26:29,467 --> 01:26:30,934
No doubt these are strange times,

1736
01:26:31,900 --> 01:26:34,367
but it's how we deal with all the needs of our community

1737
01:26:34,367 --> 01:26:36,033
that will make it sustainable for all.

1738
01:26:37,066 --> 01:26:38,100
Education is a right,

1739
01:26:38,867 --> 01:26:41,100
but so is being able to stay in a home you built

1740
01:26:41,166 --> 01:26:43,100
and lived in all these years as you age.

1741
01:26:43,567 --> 01:26:45,700
You shouldn't have to decide between heat and food

1742
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:47,867
or losing your home for escalating taxes.

1743
01:26:48,433 --> 01:26:51,934
The responsibility of having a great community relies on

1744
01:26:51,934 --> 01:26:53,734
your understanding of the consequences

1745
01:26:53,834 --> 01:26:58,066
of your vote wants versus needs, demands and responsibility.

1746
01:26:58,567 --> 01:27:00,333
Please give that some thought. Thank you.

1747
01:27:01,533 --> 01:27:06,500
- Thank you Bill. Anybody else

1748
01:27:06,634 --> 01:27:10,166
before we close the public hearing portion of this?

1749
01:27:12,266 --> 01:27:16,133
Okay, I'll bring it back to the council, council discussion.

1750
01:27:17,266 --> 01:27:19,734
Go ahead Andrew. I know you are,

1751
01:27:23,634 --> 01:27:26,100
- I wasn't necessarily preparing to to sure

1752
01:27:26,100 --> 01:27:28,166
- You no, you're no - Say anything.

1753
01:27:30,767 --> 01:27:34,033
So I think the a, a few good points have been brought up

1754
01:27:34,033 --> 01:27:39,000
that we don't own the land, the state is gonna do

1755
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:40,133
what the state wants to do on it

1756
01:27:41,533 --> 01:27:45,133
and if we want to see about access for Cumberland,

1757
01:27:45,233 --> 01:27:47,100
that we need to be involved in that.

1758
01:27:48,467 --> 01:27:52,900
And I think that there are some potential areas

1759
01:27:52,900 --> 01:27:56,734
that people brought up either, you know, was Paul Road

1760
01:27:57,033 --> 01:27:59,634
or the Bridge looking at those access points.

1761
01:27:59,834 --> 01:28:01,934
But a lot of the questions

1762
01:28:02,133 --> 01:28:05,433
that people have can only be answered by doing the work.

1763
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:10,834
And if it costs the $12,000 to do that work as part

1764
01:28:10,834 --> 01:28:14,900
of the, the larger effort, then I think that's

1765
01:28:15,433 --> 01:28:17,066
a good thing to get those questions answered.

1766
01:28:17,934 --> 01:28:20,433
The answer to those questions might be no, the answer

1767
01:28:20,433 --> 01:28:21,567
to those questions might be yes,

1768
01:28:22,100 --> 01:28:25,900
but the only way to get them is to actually

1769
01:28:26,900 --> 01:28:28,834
spend the money to get the information that we need.

1770
01:28:29,767 --> 01:28:34,467
- Thank you. - I I just got one question right now,

1771
01:28:34,500 --> 01:28:36,100
but we talked about 8,500

1772
01:28:36,100 --> 01:28:37,233
or we talking about 12,000

1773
01:28:38,033 --> 01:28:39,133
probably ought to make that point clear.

1774
01:28:41,166 --> 01:28:42,934
- I think we talked 12,000. - Okay

1775
01:28:45,533 --> 01:28:46,533
- Bill.

1776
01:28:48,867 --> 01:28:52,700
- So probably no secret then for spending the money

1777
01:28:52,767 --> 01:28:56,700
to do this, you know, to, not

1778
01:28:56,734 --> 01:28:59,467
to belabor the point, but this is an engineering study

1779
01:28:59,634 --> 01:29:01,934
and the process of the engineering study is

1780
01:29:01,934 --> 01:29:03,033
to answer the questions.

1781
01:29:04,700 --> 01:29:08,066
You know, I I am truly respectful of the, the,

1782
01:29:08,133 --> 01:29:11,000
the expenditure bill that was, you know it no, great quote

1783
01:29:12,333 --> 01:29:16,367
and you know, I don't like to see us spend money with no,

1784
01:29:17,100 --> 01:29:20,266
you know, clear path forward.

1785
01:29:20,433 --> 01:29:22,033
But I think this is money well spent.

1786
01:29:23,233 --> 01:29:25,867
I think it will answer a lot of the questions

1787
01:29:25,867 --> 01:29:27,533
that folks on the council have had, right?

1788
01:29:27,533 --> 01:29:28,700
They're all good questions.

1789
01:29:28,700 --> 01:29:30,367
Things that we've worked through in the workshops,

1790
01:29:32,300 --> 01:29:35,467
I think there by being at the table here, right?

1791
01:29:35,500 --> 01:29:38,834
We also know that CMP is looking at upgrades along the

1792
01:29:39,100 --> 01:29:40,100
corridor, right?

1793
01:29:40,367 --> 01:29:43,500
This is a way to engage

1794
01:29:43,900 --> 01:29:46,300
and maybe consider, you know, how we do those,

1795
01:29:46,300 --> 01:29:47,867
those CMP upgrades, right?

1796
01:29:47,867 --> 01:29:49,700
That will impact those abutters there

1797
01:29:50,934 --> 01:29:52,367
and maybe incorporate that with some

1798
01:29:52,367 --> 01:29:53,700
of the work on the rail trail, right?

1799
01:29:53,867 --> 01:29:57,000
But if we don't, if we're not participating as part of that,

1800
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:03,033
we don't necessarily have that voice again, right?

1801
01:30:03,734 --> 01:30:05,300
You know, there's, there's lots of good comments.

1802
01:30:05,734 --> 01:30:07,367
I agree it can be noisy down there,

1803
01:30:09,333 --> 01:30:11,000
but that doesn't seem to stop people from

1804
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:12,233
using trails like that, right?

1805
01:30:12,233 --> 01:30:13,333
Depending on where you go,

1806
01:30:13,433 --> 01:30:16,834
you people still use those trails regardless, you know,

1807
01:30:16,900 --> 01:30:19,000
they can think of places in DC or,

1808
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,300
or other areas where they're pretty noisy trails

1809
01:30:21,300 --> 01:30:22,700
and people still use 'em every day.

1810
01:30:23,934 --> 01:30:25,233
But it's a great comment, right?

1811
01:30:25,500 --> 01:30:29,100
It's something to be considered again, state owned land,

1812
01:30:29,433 --> 01:30:31,500
right in, in the world of impacts.

1813
01:30:32,333 --> 01:30:36,100
You know, I I do, I I heard the folks down on

1814
01:30:37,033 --> 01:30:40,066
Middle Road, I can, many of those people I've known

1815
01:30:40,066 --> 01:30:42,033
for many years consider some of them friends.

1816
01:30:43,333 --> 01:30:45,734
So I don't take making a decision, you know,

1817
01:30:46,233 --> 01:30:47,333
to support this slightly,

1818
01:30:48,367 --> 01:30:51,934
but will do, do know that the closest residents to the right

1819
01:30:51,934 --> 01:30:53,333
of way is 250 feet.

1820
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,300
So I wish I had a 250 foot backyard, but I do not.

1821
01:30:58,634 --> 01:31:01,266
So, but I do understand their concerns and I

1822
01:31:01,367 --> 01:31:02,700
or have heard their concerns.

1823
01:31:05,767 --> 01:31:09,033
I do think this provides an alternate path

1824
01:31:09,700 --> 01:31:12,500
for folks Trent to recreate.

1825
01:31:13,500 --> 01:31:15,767
I had the opportunity to ride the new section

1826
01:31:15,900 --> 01:31:19,333
of the East Coast Greenway from South Portland down

1827
01:31:19,333 --> 01:31:20,634
to Bedford the other day.

1828
01:31:21,066 --> 01:31:22,567
It's great the new bridge is in there

1829
01:31:22,667 --> 01:31:26,867
and I, it is a great asset for folks walking, biking,

1830
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,700
people walking their kids, walking their dog out there.

1831
01:31:31,233 --> 01:31:32,467
It is just right.

1832
01:31:32,734 --> 01:31:36,033
It's, it's a real component of the communities.

1833
01:31:37,133 --> 01:31:39,133
And what I always find on there is

1834
01:31:39,133 --> 01:31:42,333
that the people on those trails are very respectful

1835
01:31:42,900 --> 01:31:44,100
of Abutters and of others.

1836
01:31:44,266 --> 01:31:47,133
And they, they do, they appreciate the activities there

1837
01:31:47,133 --> 01:31:50,033
and they appreciate the use of the, the, the trail.

1838
01:31:52,133 --> 01:31:55,233
I will say that for in my short time on the council,

1839
01:31:56,033 --> 01:31:58,033
I think the majority of the emails that have come

1840
01:31:58,033 --> 01:32:00,467
through on the short time of my council, on the council

1841
01:32:01,133 --> 01:32:02,567
are for support of this.

1842
01:32:02,767 --> 01:32:04,767
I, it's got to be 20 to one.

1843
01:32:04,834 --> 01:32:07,867
I didn't do the math, but it's, it's at least in

1844
01:32:07,867 --> 01:32:11,834
that neighborhood, I appreciate the fact

1845
01:32:11,834 --> 01:32:13,000
that folks went out

1846
01:32:13,100 --> 01:32:14,867
and kind of put their money where their mouth lay

1847
01:32:14,934 --> 01:32:18,767
and you know, pledge to support this.

1848
01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:20,467
If that's really the issue.

1849
01:32:20,767 --> 01:32:22,567
I, I don't think that's the way we should go,

1850
01:32:23,133 --> 01:32:24,500
but I think it's a show of support.

1851
01:32:25,033 --> 01:32:28,233
And then I'll also go back to the fact that, you know,

1852
01:32:28,233 --> 01:32:31,934
both on the, the flash vote and the comp plan, right?

1853
01:32:32,066 --> 01:32:35,634
This has been something that as everybody has talked about

1854
01:32:36,100 --> 01:32:37,767
and wanted to, or not everybody

1855
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,066
but a large proportion, the majority

1856
01:32:40,133 --> 01:32:41,767
of the folks in town have

1857
01:32:42,166 --> 01:32:46,934
that participated in these surveys supported to me.

1858
01:32:47,634 --> 01:32:50,300
You know, when I see that, I see what comes out,

1859
01:32:50,300 --> 01:32:52,367
what's come out of the comp plan, the flash vote survey

1860
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:57,000
and the level of support that we've seen from the public.

1861
01:32:57,500 --> 01:32:59,233
I think it's pretty hard as a council

1862
01:32:59,266 --> 01:33:00,934
for us not to approve this.

1863
01:33:01,100 --> 01:33:02,867
But that's my view of the world.

1864
01:33:03,300 --> 01:33:06,567
- Great, thanks Phil. Thanks. - Go ahead

1865
01:33:06,900 --> 01:33:07,900
- Willie me.

1866
01:33:07,900 --> 01:33:12,567
Okay. I'm glad that Phil brought up what this is

1867
01:33:12,634 --> 01:33:13,867
and what it isn't

1868
01:33:14,100 --> 01:33:16,066
and I'll clarify again, this is only

1869
01:33:17,033 --> 01:33:19,000
$12,000 for design study.

1870
01:33:19,100 --> 01:33:20,567
It is not an endorsement

1871
01:33:21,066 --> 01:33:23,066
or signing on of the interlocal agreement.

1872
01:33:23,333 --> 01:33:26,100
It is not agreeing to trail construction

1873
01:33:27,033 --> 01:33:29,467
because some of the emails we did receive

1874
01:33:30,500 --> 01:33:33,634
made it sound like this was an endorsement of the project

1875
01:33:34,133 --> 01:33:35,066
and signaling that we

1876
01:33:35,066 --> 01:33:36,233
were going to be going forward with it.

1877
01:33:36,233 --> 01:33:38,266
And that's not what this is.

1878
01:33:38,634 --> 01:33:41,467
So just making sure that we're all clear on that.

1879
01:33:41,500 --> 01:33:46,266
I think we are at this point. This doesn't

1880
01:33:46,867 --> 01:33:48,233
buy us a seat at the table.

1881
01:33:48,567 --> 01:33:51,233
I know that wording has been passed around.

1882
01:33:52,266 --> 01:33:54,033
I know Dakota cleared that up.

1883
01:33:54,033 --> 01:33:59,000
For us, it does allow us to be involved in the design study

1884
01:33:59,066 --> 01:34:02,367
and for me, the main reason I would want to be involved is

1885
01:34:02,367 --> 01:34:04,867
to ensure that Cumberland residents have access to this

1886
01:34:05,767 --> 01:34:07,000
proposed trail in Cumberland

1887
01:34:07,700 --> 01:34:10,000
or else what really is the benefit if

1888
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:11,066
there's no access for residents.

1889
01:34:11,266 --> 01:34:13,033
'cause there certainly isn't going to be an economic boost

1890
01:34:13,033 --> 01:34:15,000
for Cumberland unless you're going to foresight,

1891
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,100
outdoor power and then like take in a

1892
01:34:17,100 --> 01:34:18,367
snowblower with you down the trail.

1893
01:34:18,433 --> 01:34:21,033
There really isn't anything that we'll see from that

1894
01:34:22,133 --> 01:34:23,333
on the economic side of things.

1895
01:34:24,100 --> 01:34:28,634
And it's,

1896
01:34:29,100 --> 01:34:31,066
there's, this is the first step

1897
01:34:31,367 --> 01:34:36,033
and for me, I do support doing the $12,000 initially just

1898
01:34:36,033 --> 01:34:37,100
to ensure that we have access,

1899
01:34:37,734 --> 01:34:40,867
but seat at the table as far as decision making.

1900
01:34:40,934 --> 01:34:42,634
To me that is something that comes later.

1901
01:34:43,100 --> 01:34:45,233
If you agree to the interlocal agreement

1902
01:34:45,266 --> 01:34:46,467
and are a member of that board

1903
01:34:46,500 --> 01:34:48,500
and that decision making body, if you choose

1904
01:34:48,500 --> 01:34:50,500
to join the agreement, which it's not mandatory

1905
01:34:51,433 --> 01:34:53,767
towns can go it alone, but that's kind

1906
01:34:53,767 --> 01:34:55,000
of putting the cart before the horse.

1907
01:34:55,100 --> 01:34:57,367
But just since people are kind

1908
01:34:57,367 --> 01:34:59,934
of pairing these two things together, it is not a done deal.

1909
01:35:01,066 --> 01:35:02,567
The design study is just the first step.

1910
01:35:02,734 --> 01:35:07,233
It's going to be years before anything is ever done on it.

1911
01:35:07,367 --> 01:35:10,033
If it even is. There's a lot of things in flux

1912
01:35:10,367 --> 01:35:13,100
and I don't necessarily trust that

1913
01:35:14,233 --> 01:35:16,000
the government's gonna come give us money

1914
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:17,767
for this funding may fall through.

1915
01:35:17,834 --> 01:35:20,634
We may be on the hook for over a million dollars a mile

1916
01:35:21,033 --> 01:35:22,066
on the town side of things.

1917
01:35:23,133 --> 01:35:25,266
So first steps first is doing this.

1918
01:35:26,533 --> 01:35:30,066
I think if people wanna donate, feel free to.

1919
01:35:30,767 --> 01:35:32,834
I am not basing my decision on that

1920
01:35:34,033 --> 01:35:36,033
we should approve something

1921
01:35:36,500 --> 01:35:39,100
because we think it's the right thing to do, not

1922
01:35:39,100 --> 01:35:41,033
because the community is helping us fund it,

1923
01:35:41,867 --> 01:35:42,867
in my opinion at least.

1924
01:35:45,934 --> 01:35:50,834
And what else, just

1925
01:35:51,900 --> 01:35:53,500
to restate, I know we're not here yet,

1926
01:35:53,567 --> 01:35:55,834
but at this point I wouldn't vote in favor

1927
01:35:55,834 --> 01:35:57,000
of anything beyond the study.

1928
01:35:58,567 --> 01:36:00,533
It's at a minimum hundreds of thousands

1929
01:36:00,533 --> 01:36:04,033
of dollars in a match for construction, which is untenable

1930
01:36:04,033 --> 01:36:06,100
for me given all the other priorities we have,

1931
01:36:06,100 --> 01:36:08,934
including people without water in town, the need

1932
01:36:08,934 --> 01:36:12,066
of water line ran and improvements and things like that.

1933
01:36:12,066 --> 01:36:13,033
There's just so many other things

1934
01:36:13,100 --> 01:36:16,033
that are more important when I consider putting the needs

1935
01:36:16,033 --> 01:36:17,467
of the many ahead of one.

1936
01:36:17,500 --> 01:36:20,734
This is one of those things where I'm thinking

1937
01:36:20,734 --> 01:36:22,000
of the entire town.

1938
01:36:24,133 --> 01:36:26,834
And then I wanted to read

1939
01:36:26,934 --> 01:36:30,266
what Counselor Filson sent via email since she's not here to

1940
01:36:31,166 --> 01:36:34,000
give her own opinion and is not here to vote.

1941
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:35,266
However, still wanted to make sure

1942
01:36:35,266 --> 01:36:37,033
that her thoughts were heard.

1943
01:36:38,066 --> 01:36:41,834
So she said, I'm in favor of the initial 12,000 investment

1944
01:36:42,100 --> 01:36:43,033
for the engineering work.

1945
01:36:43,433 --> 01:36:45,166
That said, I have major reservations about

1946
01:36:45,166 --> 01:36:46,467
what happens if federal funding

1947
01:36:46,533 --> 01:36:47,900
for construction doesn't come through.

1948
01:36:48,867 --> 01:36:50,934
I know we won't have that answer for a few years,

1949
01:36:51,033 --> 01:36:53,233
but I think it's worth managing expectations now,

1950
01:36:53,533 --> 01:36:55,500
approving this 12,000 does not mean

1951
01:36:55,500 --> 01:36:56,900
that the town will be writing a check

1952
01:36:57,266 --> 01:37:00,266
for 1.2 million per mile if DOT funding doesn't

1953
01:37:00,467 --> 01:37:01,500
materialize when the time comes.

1954
01:37:03,033 --> 01:37:05,433
- Great, thank you Robert.

1955
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:09,100
- The rubber meets the road.

1956
01:37:11,133 --> 01:37:13,333
I've lived here for over 60 years.

1957
01:37:14,367 --> 01:37:15,700
I've seen a lot of change.

1958
01:37:18,567 --> 01:37:21,000
All my playgrounds as a child

1959
01:37:21,700 --> 01:37:25,000
are housing developments today, with the exception

1960
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:26,233
of of Knight's Pond.

1961
01:37:27,467 --> 01:37:32,333
Dick Knight created that little oasis up there,

1962
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,100
but he wouldn't let anybody on the property except when

1963
01:37:36,100 --> 01:37:37,000
the ice was frozen.

1964
01:37:37,233 --> 01:37:38,700
He would allow us to go up

1965
01:37:38,700 --> 01:37:40,433
and play hockey on it in the winter.

1966
01:37:40,834 --> 01:37:44,900
And lots of fun playing hockey up there as a kid.

1967
01:37:48,266 --> 01:37:49,934
We've, we've done a lot

1968
01:37:49,934 --> 01:37:51,900
of things in this community over the years.

1969
01:37:52,100 --> 01:37:56,500
It took us three tries to get a access to the water.

1970
01:37:58,567 --> 01:38:01,000
We didn't get

1971
01:38:01,100 --> 01:38:04,066
to Twin Brooks without some controversy.

1972
01:38:04,667 --> 01:38:08,634
Everything we've done in this town has had the distractors

1973
01:38:08,867 --> 01:38:11,033
and naysayers and, and negativity

1974
01:38:11,233 --> 01:38:15,867
and a lot of it has been well warranted.

1975
01:38:15,934 --> 01:38:18,867
But the, the fact of the matter is we've moved ahead

1976
01:38:19,100 --> 01:38:23,634
and we've, we've created some real places of importance

1977
01:38:24,100 --> 01:38:25,100
for the, for the town.

1978
01:38:26,300 --> 01:38:27,867
I think about the things that I use.

1979
01:38:28,266 --> 01:38:30,533
I I don't have a library card,

1980
01:38:30,667 --> 01:38:33,834
but I support it wholeheartedly.

1981
01:38:34,667 --> 01:38:37,867
I've been to Twin Brooks a couple of times to watch my,

1982
01:38:38,266 --> 01:38:41,567
my kid, my son when he was a a skier

1983
01:38:41,867 --> 01:38:45,867
or running cross country, I do use the town forest to hike

1984
01:38:46,367 --> 01:38:47,734
on Sundays with my dogs.

1985
01:38:49,100 --> 01:38:51,834
So there's a lot of amenities that over the years that,

1986
01:38:52,100 --> 01:38:54,133
you know, I've supported with my tax dollars

1987
01:38:54,333 --> 01:38:55,867
but haven't, haven't used.

1988
01:38:57,033 --> 01:39:02,000
So I, I do support the expenditure of the $12,000.

1989
01:39:02,133 --> 01:39:05,000
But I think what I want to have to show

1990
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:09,934
to everyone here this evening is perhaps a response to,

1991
01:39:09,934 --> 01:39:11,133
to bill, to bill Young.

1992
01:39:12,700 --> 01:39:16,266
We have a, a duty to spend every dollar

1993
01:39:17,133 --> 01:39:19,567
equally and not frivolously.

1994
01:39:19,567 --> 01:39:21,100
It's all done with responsibility.

1995
01:39:22,066 --> 01:39:24,100
Tomorrow evening is probably the most,

1996
01:39:25,900 --> 01:39:29,233
the biggest opportunity in my lifetime that I've seen.

1997
01:39:30,133 --> 01:39:33,634
We're gonna have five communities, Falmouth, Yarmouth,

1998
01:39:33,634 --> 01:39:35,500
Freeport, north Yarmouth, and Cumberland.

1999
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:39,700
The elected bodies of the town council's select boards

2000
01:39:39,934 --> 01:39:41,533
and the school boards will sit down

2001
01:39:41,934 --> 01:39:46,100
and talk about collaboration and not on a small scale,

2002
01:39:46,100 --> 01:39:47,834
but on a large scale.

2003
01:39:48,834 --> 01:39:53,233
So the, the idea that we just have money to,

2004
01:39:53,333 --> 01:39:57,100
to spend freely is, is not, is not true,

2005
01:39:57,567 --> 01:39:59,634
but I do think we're going to spend it wisely.

2006
01:40:00,133 --> 01:40:03,767
So I I would hope that you folks would question

2007
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:07,500
how we spend $12,000 for a study on the rails,

2008
01:40:07,867 --> 01:40:10,033
but also what you would come back next meeting

2009
01:40:10,133 --> 01:40:12,333
and question us on how we sat down

2010
01:40:12,333 --> 01:40:15,300
and discussed collaboration with five other communities

2011
01:40:15,300 --> 01:40:17,500
because those are equally as important.

2012
01:40:18,100 --> 01:40:19,934
Oh, I am gonna vote in favor

2013
01:40:19,934 --> 01:40:24,934
of this this evening, Jeff.

2014
01:40:26,100 --> 01:40:29,100
Yeah, I mean this is, this is a tough one.

2015
01:40:29,467 --> 01:40:33,300
I mean a lot of people have sent voicemails

2016
01:40:33,333 --> 01:40:35,033
and text messages and emails

2017
01:40:35,100 --> 01:40:38,033
and I've met with people that have supported this

2018
01:40:39,066 --> 01:40:42,033
and I've also met with people that weren't in favor of it.

2019
01:40:43,333 --> 01:40:48,033
And I don't want to minimize the concerns of the abutters.

2020
01:40:50,033 --> 01:40:53,033
I mean basically their backyard has been

2021
01:40:53,066 --> 01:40:54,100
unchanged for decades.

2022
01:40:56,133 --> 01:40:58,767
And you know, what I think is important for everyone

2023
01:40:58,767 --> 01:41:00,233
to remember is this is change

2024
01:41:01,100 --> 01:41:05,133
and change is un uncom uncomfortable for people at times.

2025
01:41:06,367 --> 01:41:10,066
So, you know, just imagine all

2026
01:41:10,066 --> 01:41:13,066
of a sudden your backyard becomes industrial zoned

2027
01:41:13,066 --> 01:41:15,533
and somebody wants to build a modern car dealership

2028
01:41:15,567 --> 01:41:17,100
or cement plant in the backyard.

2029
01:41:18,066 --> 01:41:19,133
Probably pretty shocking to hear.

2030
01:41:20,100 --> 01:41:23,700
So be try to be sympathetic of those, the, the abutters

2031
01:41:23,700 --> 01:41:24,700
with this whole process.

2032
01:41:26,734 --> 01:41:28,367
You know, I think there's a potential for this

2033
01:41:28,367 --> 01:41:30,934
to do some really good stuff for the community.

2034
01:41:33,667 --> 01:41:36,467
You know, flash vote, yeah, there was 367 votes

2035
01:41:36,500 --> 01:41:40,767
and 59% of them supported the, the trail

2036
01:41:42,433 --> 01:41:44,367
tonight we're just talking about the engineering

2037
01:41:44,367 --> 01:41:46,000
of the trail, not the construction.

2038
01:41:46,734 --> 01:41:48,233
There's no guarantee in my

2039
01:41:48,333 --> 01:41:49,834
opinion, construction will follow.

2040
01:41:52,333 --> 01:41:54,667
I'll be honest, and I've said it many times in these

2041
01:41:54,667 --> 01:41:57,900
meetings, we really gotta figure out

2042
01:41:58,100 --> 01:42:00,133
where our capital funding is gonna line up

2043
01:42:00,133 --> 01:42:01,300
with stuff like this.

2044
01:42:02,133 --> 01:42:05,000
You know, Lily talked about people about water.

2045
01:42:05,100 --> 01:42:07,667
That's the top priority to me for people.

2046
01:42:07,734 --> 01:42:10,433
West Cumberland talked about Greeley Road, talked about

2047
01:42:11,500 --> 01:42:13,634
aging, rolling stock that the town owns

2048
01:42:13,934 --> 01:42:16,133
and then somehow we gotta fit this in as well.

2049
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:21,000
And we hear about people's taxes concerns And I think

2050
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:25,567
that's what's really challenging is we can't show you folks

2051
01:42:26,667 --> 01:42:30,000
the tangibles behind some of those numbers very easily.

2052
01:42:31,133 --> 01:42:34,133
And that's something that I'd like to see us really work on

2053
01:42:34,233 --> 01:42:37,900
so that when we talk about, let's just say we get

2054
01:42:37,900 --> 01:42:40,133
to the point where there is construction funding to discuss

2055
01:42:40,133 --> 01:42:45,100
with this, that when we start talking about say, $600,000,

2056
01:42:45,500 --> 01:42:49,033
you can see where it fits and what the impact's gonna be.

2057
01:42:50,100 --> 01:42:51,133
'cause right now I think

2058
01:42:51,133 --> 01:42:53,367
that's the most important thing we can have to try

2059
01:42:53,367 --> 01:42:54,433
to make these decisions.

2060
01:42:55,066 --> 01:42:56,700
'cause otherwise I look at it

2061
01:42:56,700 --> 01:42:59,000
as like I'm shooting from the hip up here right now.

2062
01:43:02,700 --> 01:43:05,567
So I'm a gambling

2063
01:43:05,567 --> 01:43:07,867
person to be honest with you.

2064
01:43:08,934 --> 01:43:13,066
And if I had it my way, I'd play chicken

2065
01:43:13,066 --> 01:43:15,000
with the state and say, you know what?

2066
01:43:15,533 --> 01:43:19,567
You figure it out. But the abutters mean a lot to me

2067
01:43:20,233 --> 01:43:23,934
and I do believe that

2068
01:43:24,667 --> 01:43:27,433
being involved in the engineering part of this project

2069
01:43:28,634 --> 01:43:30,567
is gonna help look out for their interest.

2070
01:43:31,834 --> 01:43:35,433
And I will be honest with you, that's a big part as

2071
01:43:35,433 --> 01:43:39,266
to why I am gonna look to approve in move in this direction.

2072
01:43:40,500 --> 01:43:43,533
But, but you know, if I had it my way,

2073
01:43:43,900 --> 01:43:45,133
I'd just play a game of chicken.

2074
01:43:45,767 --> 01:43:47,100
So you go to Las Vegas,

2075
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:48,533
you can find me at the crafts tables.

2076
01:43:49,367 --> 01:43:51,266
So that's, that's where I sit.

2077
01:43:52,767 --> 01:43:56,467
- Anybody else? This is tough.

2078
01:43:56,667 --> 01:43:59,100
I've, as long as I've been on the council,

2079
01:43:59,634 --> 01:44:02,266
I've supported every trail proposal in this town.

2080
01:44:02,533 --> 01:44:06,500
Every single one and never regretted a vote.

2081
01:44:07,266 --> 01:44:09,133
We've always worked with our neighbors.

2082
01:44:12,133 --> 01:44:14,567
I'm not there tonight. I can get there,

2083
01:44:15,834 --> 01:44:17,934
I can get there at the Casco Bay Alliance

2084
01:44:18,433 --> 01:44:22,233
and the state works with the Abutters, but they haven't.

2085
01:44:24,634 --> 01:44:26,567
Casco Bay Alliance, trail Alliance

2086
01:44:26,934 --> 01:44:29,634
and the State ignore the Abutters for the last two years.

2087
01:44:31,100 --> 01:44:32,300
And that really hit home.

2088
01:44:32,634 --> 01:44:34,133
'cause most of these people I grew up with,

2089
01:44:34,500 --> 01:44:36,100
I've known since we were, I was a kid

2090
01:44:38,266 --> 01:44:40,066
and I can't turn my back on 'em.

2091
01:44:40,066 --> 01:44:43,767
When, when we were doing other projects in town looking

2092
01:44:43,767 --> 01:44:48,033
for us land for Salt shed, we listened to our neighbors,

2093
01:44:48,867 --> 01:44:50,166
we listened to every single one

2094
01:44:50,166 --> 01:44:52,300
of our neighbors when they came up and they opposed it.

2095
01:44:52,367 --> 01:44:53,834
And we finally found a spot.

2096
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:55,567
But I voted against those spots

2097
01:44:55,567 --> 01:44:57,900
because I listened to the neighbors and their concerns.

2098
01:45:01,467 --> 01:45:05,100
If nothing else, my vote tonight is a vote of support

2099
01:45:05,367 --> 01:45:06,634
for the the Abutters.

2100
01:45:09,734 --> 01:45:12,033
But I'm just letting you guys know, I can get there.

2101
01:45:12,333 --> 01:45:16,567
You can get me there as long as we keep listening

2102
01:45:16,567 --> 01:45:19,533
to the abutters and the people's concerns.

2103
01:45:22,100 --> 01:45:25,834
And if, if, if you can, if the state

2104
01:45:26,100 --> 01:45:29,000
and Casco Bay can meet these people at least

2105
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:32,000
halfway, you can bring me over.

2106
01:45:32,100 --> 01:45:36,033
But for tonight, I'm voting in support of

2107
01:45:36,667 --> 01:45:38,500
the abutters, the majority of the abutters.

2108
01:45:41,133 --> 01:45:46,000
And that's all I got. But I just want to, just a final note.

2109
01:45:46,567 --> 01:45:48,767
We had the, oh, a month

2110
01:45:48,767 --> 01:45:52,100
or so ago we had the workshop on this trail.

2111
01:45:53,166 --> 01:45:55,533
And in my 14 years on the council,

2112
01:45:55,767 --> 01:45:57,867
it's probably the best one.

2113
01:45:57,900 --> 01:46:01,533
It was well attended. It, it was so good.

2114
01:46:01,767 --> 01:46:06,066
The back and forth and the people that were pro portray

2115
01:46:06,500 --> 01:46:09,734
really listened to the people, the Abutters

2116
01:46:10,233 --> 01:46:12,767
and the Abutters were listening to the Pro Trail people.

2117
01:46:12,767 --> 01:46:15,367
And that's, and I made the comment afterwards,

2118
01:46:15,433 --> 01:46:17,567
that's really a great civic le lesson

2119
01:46:17,734 --> 01:46:19,066
and I feel the same way tonight.

2120
01:46:19,300 --> 01:46:20,734
You guys have been great.

2121
01:46:22,700 --> 01:46:24,900
This is this, this is good stuff

2122
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:29,033
and just makes you a lot more proud to be part of this town.

2123
01:46:29,033 --> 01:46:30,667
So with that,

2124
01:46:30,767 --> 01:46:33,834
do we have anything else from the council on it?

2125
01:46:35,433 --> 01:46:37,367
No. Do we have a motion?

2126
01:46:38,767 --> 01:46:41,100
- I'll give you one. Mr. Chairman, a move

2127
01:46:41,100 --> 01:46:44,033
to appropriate $12,000 to support the preliminary design

2128
01:46:44,066 --> 01:46:46,166
and engineering of the Casco Bay trial.

2129
01:46:47,100 --> 01:46:49,333
- We have a second. - I will second

2130
01:46:50,734 --> 01:46:52,333
- Any more discussion from the council.

2131
01:46:53,100 --> 01:46:54,734
We have a motion and a second.

2132
01:46:55,266 --> 01:46:58,700
All those in favor and wanna post?

2133
01:46:59,433 --> 01:47:01,166
Thank you very much folks.

2134
01:47:01,166 --> 01:47:04,166
Tonight really, really was a good night. Thank you.

2135
01:47:10,100 --> 01:47:11,567
- Everyone wants to leave. I can't understand why

2136
01:47:12,567 --> 01:47:14,333
- We haven't even gotten to new business yet.

2137
01:47:16,700 --> 01:47:19,033
- Thanks. - I'm gonna like talk about this

2138
01:47:19,634 --> 01:47:19,934
- Park.

2139
01:47:24,900 --> 01:47:25,033
Well

2140
01:47:25,033 --> 01:47:26,033
- Done.

2141
01:47:26,033 --> 01:47:27,500
We're not done yet. Do people know that we're not done yet?

2142
01:47:28,066 --> 01:47:29,133
- No, we're not done. We're not done yet.

2143
01:47:29,367 --> 01:47:33,700
All right, if we can, we gonna go into new business?

2144
01:47:34,433 --> 01:47:36,000
- Send me an email. Thank you.

2145
01:47:44,734 --> 01:47:47,500
- New business. We'd start with you last week, Bob,

2146
01:47:47,500 --> 01:47:50,133
we'll start with last meeting Bill.

2147
01:47:51,700 --> 01:47:53,934
- Sure. So new business.

2148
01:47:55,066 --> 01:47:57,100
I think we heard earlier about the, the,

2149
01:47:58,300 --> 01:48:00,166
the concerns about the playground, right?

2150
01:48:00,567 --> 01:48:02,567
- I can't really hear you. Oh, we're gonna have

2151
01:48:02,567 --> 01:48:04,667
to wait till people quiet down

2152
01:48:08,567 --> 01:48:10,900
or exit the room, preferably.

2153
01:48:11,133 --> 01:48:13,233
- Thank you so much. Thanks Retirement.

2154
01:48:14,033 --> 01:48:16,734
You gotta start shaving while you're retired. Thanks.

2155
01:48:17,100 --> 01:48:18,433
- They're not, they don't see my motions.

2156
01:48:20,100 --> 01:48:22,100
- Alright, bill, go ahead. New business. All

2157
01:48:22,100 --> 01:48:23,333
- Right, so new business.

2158
01:48:24,567 --> 01:48:29,000
I, I heard the comments from the folks about the playground

2159
01:48:29,133 --> 01:48:31,734
and I went to Trail Fest the other day

2160
01:48:31,834 --> 01:48:34,033
and Nice spoke with folks about that.

2161
01:48:34,467 --> 01:48:36,100
Had several folks speak with me about that there.

2162
01:48:36,233 --> 01:48:40,834
So I don't know what the best way is to

2163
01:48:41,433 --> 01:48:43,000
kind of hear their concerns.

2164
01:48:43,133 --> 01:48:44,900
I know Mr.

2165
01:48:44,900 --> 01:48:47,700
Manager that, you know, you've direct folks to come in

2166
01:48:47,700 --> 01:48:51,133
and talk with the folks at, you know, Peter Brigham Jr.

2167
01:48:52,033 --> 01:48:53,367
With the folks at Parks

2168
01:48:53,367 --> 01:48:55,634
and Recreation there to, to, you know,

2169
01:48:55,634 --> 01:48:56,734
get their concerns in there.

2170
01:48:59,066 --> 01:49:01,700
But I do, you know, there is, you know,

2171
01:49:01,900 --> 01:49:04,867
Sarah obviously spoke kind of passionately about the

2172
01:49:06,367 --> 01:49:08,133
concern about the process, et cetera.

2173
01:49:08,266 --> 01:49:11,100
So I don't know what the best path is forward to,

2174
01:49:11,500 --> 01:49:12,867
to go forward with this

2175
01:49:13,333 --> 01:49:18,066
and you know, how we listen to their concerns and,

2176
01:49:18,266 --> 01:49:19,734
and, and implement those.

2177
01:49:20,300 --> 01:49:22,266
You know, I know we are down a path already

2178
01:49:22,300 --> 01:49:24,233
and I'm not suggesting that we stop the path,

2179
01:49:24,367 --> 01:49:26,133
but, you know, are there ways to improve it?

2180
01:49:26,266 --> 01:49:27,734
So I think that's something

2181
01:49:27,734 --> 01:49:31,033
that I would encourage the down staff to go forward with

2182
01:49:31,033 --> 01:49:33,233
and see if we can get some input

2183
01:49:34,033 --> 01:49:36,834
and maybe recommendations to move forward.

2184
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:38,700
'cause I don't think this one's gonna go away.

2185
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:43,033
And then I also want to, I I did not do this last meeting,

2186
01:49:43,700 --> 01:49:46,634
but I will, bill came up, bill Young came up

2187
01:49:46,634 --> 01:49:50,033
and spoke about the traffic on, on Hedgerow.

2188
01:49:50,467 --> 01:49:53,934
And I can tell you that when I walk there at night,

2189
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:57,634
frequently, especially around nine o'clock when

2190
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:00,000
Rachel closes,

2191
01:50:00,033 --> 01:50:03,500
or it is a very busy area, it's, you know,

2192
01:50:03,734 --> 01:50:05,033
folks running up hedgerow

2193
01:50:05,233 --> 01:50:07,734
and, you know, speed bumps slow folks down.

2194
01:50:07,867 --> 01:50:10,100
But, you know, I I don't know what the other,

2195
01:50:10,233 --> 01:50:13,300
if there's other traffic calming things we can do to try

2196
01:50:13,300 --> 01:50:15,033
to get people to go out Val Halla Road

2197
01:50:15,033 --> 01:50:17,100
and go up, you know, Greeley Road instead.

2198
01:50:18,867 --> 01:50:20,333
So that's that story.

2199
01:50:20,767 --> 01:50:23,066
And then the other one I'd say is, I know this is coming up,

2200
01:50:23,066 --> 01:50:25,500
but I would love to hear more about where we're going on,

2201
01:50:25,867 --> 01:50:27,634
on the design of, of Greeley Road

2202
01:50:27,634 --> 01:50:29,033
as well in the future. Thanks.

2203
01:50:29,433 --> 01:50:31,266
- Thanks Phil. Jeff.

2204
01:50:32,667 --> 01:50:34,767
- All right. $20 for the food pantry

2205
01:50:36,033 --> 01:50:38,700
and despite yesterday's weather, I took some time

2206
01:50:38,700 --> 01:50:40,033
to visit the Cumberland Fair and

2207
01:50:41,133 --> 01:50:42,133
- Brave - Man.

2208
01:50:42,133 --> 01:50:43,834
Just want to thank our fire department

2209
01:50:43,867 --> 01:50:46,500
and our police department for their dedication

2210
01:50:46,500 --> 01:50:47,700
and support in this event.

2211
01:50:48,834 --> 01:50:51,066
They were out in rain gear

2212
01:50:51,033 --> 01:50:54,066
and, you know, not just hiding under a a building

2213
01:50:54,166 --> 01:50:56,033
and they were doing their job

2214
01:50:56,100 --> 01:50:57,934
and representing us very well as a town

2215
01:50:57,934 --> 01:51:00,100
and excellent level of professionalism.

2216
01:51:00,367 --> 01:51:03,767
And I think it's goes without saying

2217
01:51:03,934 --> 01:51:06,567
but you know, it involves people stepping up

2218
01:51:06,567 --> 01:51:08,467
and working additional hours and overtime.

2219
01:51:08,634 --> 01:51:10,100
And I think it's only fair

2220
01:51:10,100 --> 01:51:13,066
that we acknowledge those employees for doing so this week.

2221
01:51:13,166 --> 01:51:17,767
So, you know,

2222
01:51:19,367 --> 01:51:22,333
just had two difficult items that we had to discuss tonight.

2223
01:51:23,066 --> 01:51:25,467
Talked about housing and we talked about this rail trail

2224
01:51:27,100 --> 01:51:28,634
and I know I'm a broken record

2225
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:30,266
'cause I've already said it twice tonight,

2226
01:51:31,567 --> 01:51:35,066
but I really feel we owe our citizens

2227
01:51:35,500 --> 01:51:39,266
some tangible items behind our upcoming capital expenses

2228
01:51:40,433 --> 01:51:44,133
and showing them, yeah, when we finance, you know,

2229
01:51:45,133 --> 01:51:46,367
600,000 is needed.

2230
01:51:46,834 --> 01:51:49,000
What is behind the 600,000?

2231
01:51:50,834 --> 01:51:54,767
So, and I, and here's why I'm really asking for it.

2232
01:51:54,767 --> 01:51:57,033
You know, we talked about the new committee with working

2233
01:51:57,066 --> 01:52:00,433
with the school, it's already Bill

2234
01:52:00,433 --> 01:52:01,667
already hit home about it.

2235
01:52:01,867 --> 01:52:03,233
It's gonna be a challenging year

2236
01:52:03,233 --> 01:52:04,700
of upcoming school expenses.

2237
01:52:05,367 --> 01:52:07,367
We know we're gonna have a challenging year,

2238
01:52:08,467 --> 01:52:10,000
but come budget time,

2239
01:52:10,033 --> 01:52:12,000
we're gonna find some expense that's gonna be critical.

2240
01:52:12,867 --> 01:52:15,900
And if I can go to that committee

2241
01:52:16,934 --> 01:52:20,100
and maybe show what that critical expense is,

2242
01:52:20,100 --> 01:52:23,033
and not just dollars and cents, but what it actually is

2243
01:52:23,066 --> 01:52:24,867
and what it provides to citizens.

2244
01:52:26,033 --> 01:52:28,367
Does it open some eyes? I, I don't know.

2245
01:52:28,934 --> 01:52:31,233
But I look at what's the why behind the money.

2246
01:52:31,467 --> 01:52:32,900
And that's what I'm trying to get to.

2247
01:52:35,367 --> 01:52:37,500
You know, we talk about housing

2248
01:52:37,700 --> 01:52:40,000
and rail trail, where does it all fit in?

2249
01:52:40,634 --> 01:52:44,133
Because there's some expenses we can't just put off.

2250
01:52:45,233 --> 01:52:46,634
I sleep pretty ni well at night

2251
01:52:46,634 --> 01:52:47,734
knowing I have a good ambulance.

2252
01:52:49,033 --> 01:52:51,567
So, you know, I don't wanna put us in a position

2253
01:52:51,567 --> 01:52:55,500
where we're putting stuff off like that with our population.

2254
01:52:55,500 --> 01:52:56,634
We, we need those things.

2255
01:52:58,033 --> 01:53:01,467
So With that all being said,

2256
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:04,367
I, I'd like to try

2257
01:53:04,367 --> 01:53:06,700
to formally discuss this a little bit more on

2258
01:53:06,700 --> 01:53:08,867
what we can provide our citizens with visibility.

2259
01:53:11,066 --> 01:53:13,000
So I, I don't know what your thoughts are,

2260
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:15,467
but I think it'd be nice to talk about it, you know,

2261
01:53:15,467 --> 01:53:16,500
sooner rather than later.

2262
01:53:17,033 --> 01:53:18,133
Matt, I don't know if you have any ideas

2263
01:53:18,166 --> 01:53:19,634
or anything you could, you could share

2264
01:53:19,634 --> 01:53:20,834
of us maybe in the next meeting,

2265
01:53:22,500 --> 01:53:25,767
but it, it'd be nice just to put it on this agenda item and,

2266
01:53:26,166 --> 01:53:29,033
and if the six other people on this board say

2267
01:53:30,133 --> 01:53:32,567
it's the wrong way to go, then I'm gonna drop it. No,

2268
01:53:32,567 --> 01:53:34,133
- I'm gonna say that - Neither.

2269
01:53:34,634 --> 01:53:36,767
I'm just trying to give everyone the visibility

2270
01:53:36,767 --> 01:53:38,367
so they can understand where the funding's gonna come from.

2271
01:53:38,834 --> 01:53:42,066
Because at the end of the day, I really don't want

2272
01:53:42,066 --> 01:53:43,333
to tax people outta their homes

2273
01:53:44,133 --> 01:53:47,734
and I don't want to promote one thing

2274
01:53:47,900 --> 01:53:50,000
to cause other people in this town to struggle.

2275
01:53:50,667 --> 01:53:52,266
It's, we talk about sustainability

2276
01:53:52,433 --> 01:53:54,066
and I want to be sustainable

2277
01:53:54,066 --> 01:53:55,367
for everyone and that's my goal.

2278
01:53:56,133 --> 01:53:58,467
So that's just why I'm asking for this.

2279
01:53:58,700 --> 01:54:00,734
'cause I think the only way we can do it is

2280
01:54:00,734 --> 01:54:03,000
to have the data and the tangibles. Thank you.

2281
01:54:03,834 --> 01:54:06,533
- Thanks Jeff. Lily.

2282
01:54:07,367 --> 01:54:11,867
- All right. Have you heard anything about

2283
01:54:12,133 --> 01:54:16,066
an ETA on when the first meeting of that mini tricom

2284
01:54:17,033 --> 01:54:18,133
committee will meet?

2285
01:54:20,467 --> 01:54:24,634
- As of the, the end of the day today? No. Okay. But just

2286
01:54:24,634 --> 01:54:25,634
- Curious.

2287
01:54:25,700 --> 01:54:26,767
- I, I, I think they were just,

2288
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:29,133
I think the school chair was,

2289
01:54:30,700 --> 01:54:32,700
I think she was taking point on that. Okay. So

2290
01:54:32,834 --> 01:54:33,834
- Good deal.

2291
01:54:33,834 --> 01:54:34,567
Just figure out check shortly.

2292
01:54:35,533 --> 01:54:37,100
- Like I can reach out to the superintendent

2293
01:54:37,133 --> 01:54:38,300
to see if they have an update.

2294
01:54:38,333 --> 01:54:39,367
I'll see 'em tomorrow. So,

2295
01:54:40,567 --> 01:54:41,567
- Okay.

2296
01:54:42,467 --> 01:54:43,934
Thank you for doing the overview

2297
01:54:43,934 --> 01:54:45,066
of the Twinbrook playground.

2298
01:54:45,100 --> 01:54:48,834
How we got here and clearing up the PFAS thing.

2299
01:54:49,100 --> 01:54:51,000
I understand about PFAS testing.

2300
01:54:51,133 --> 01:54:53,133
It had only tests for a little bit of substances.

2301
01:54:53,133 --> 01:54:57,266
That was my main beef with the turf field.

2302
01:54:58,066 --> 01:55:01,033
There was an email suggesting that if I was

2303
01:55:01,667 --> 01:55:02,867
anti infilled turf field,

2304
01:55:03,033 --> 01:55:04,834
I should also be anti poured rubber surface.

2305
01:55:05,700 --> 01:55:07,100
I don't feel that those are the same thing.

2306
01:55:08,100 --> 01:55:11,500
One is hundreds of tons of crumb rubber that is

2307
01:55:12,634 --> 01:55:14,500
getting inhaled and kicked up

2308
01:55:14,700 --> 01:55:17,533
and washing into the environment poured rubber.

2309
01:55:17,934 --> 01:55:22,000
Especially if it's PAS free by, you know, all intents

2310
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:24,233
and purposes you can't guarantee it

2311
01:55:25,900 --> 01:55:28,767
is probably the best surface for a DA compatibility.

2312
01:55:29,066 --> 01:55:31,033
And there's poured rubber on the track, I believe,

2313
01:55:31,033 --> 01:55:35,567
or on the school track.

2314
01:55:35,767 --> 01:55:39,033
Yeah, so it's just saying,

2315
01:55:39,100 --> 01:55:41,000
I don't think those are two equal things.

2316
01:55:42,934 --> 01:55:44,700
I was looking at what was available

2317
01:55:45,066 --> 01:55:47,100
regarding the whole parks decision

2318
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:50,000
and I was able to find that there was an agenda

2319
01:55:50,100 --> 01:55:53,634
and pretty detailed minutes on the town website under the

2320
01:55:53,700 --> 01:55:57,266
parks and rec advisory board for the months

2321
01:55:57,367 --> 01:55:59,000
of February, March, April, and May.

2322
01:55:59,266 --> 01:56:03,100
And then it wasn't a specific agenda item,

2323
01:56:03,100 --> 01:56:05,066
however, it was talked about extensively

2324
01:56:05,066 --> 01:56:08,066
during the manager's report on Monday, June 29th when

2325
01:56:08,500 --> 01:56:13,133
Pete Bingham gave us a slide deck overview of the project

2326
01:56:13,467 --> 01:56:15,367
and where we're at and what they determined

2327
01:56:16,433 --> 01:56:18,100
there was the issue of dogs.

2328
01:56:18,133 --> 01:56:19,467
We have discussed this a little bit

2329
01:56:19,667 --> 01:56:22,000
and I think we had asked the ordinance committee

2330
01:56:22,133 --> 01:56:25,567
to revisit dogs potentially at this playground,

2331
01:56:26,467 --> 01:56:27,867
if not banning them entirely.

2332
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:30,867
And I think that was going to be looked at along

2333
01:56:30,867 --> 01:56:32,000
with the chicken ordinance.

2334
01:56:33,867 --> 01:56:35,100
Do we have any updates on that?

2335
01:56:35,066 --> 01:56:37,266
Have you guys thought about talking about

2336
01:56:37,266 --> 01:56:40,667
that a little more chair of

2337
01:56:40,667 --> 01:56:42,133
- The audience to I'll come home to roost eventually.

2338
01:56:42,133 --> 01:56:46,467
Exactly. I I have avoided even thinking about that. You

2339
01:56:46,467 --> 01:56:47,467
- Better do it.

2340
01:56:49,033 --> 01:56:51,000
So yeah. Dogs and chickens, yes

2341
01:56:51,133 --> 01:56:52,133
- Please.

2342
01:56:52,133 --> 01:56:54,000
We will, we will get to that. Okay. We will get,

2343
01:56:54,667 --> 01:56:55,667
- Get to that.

2344
01:56:55,667 --> 01:56:58,533
So there's that. I don't want

2345
01:56:58,533 --> 01:57:03,033
to sour the potentially wonderful new era

2346
01:57:03,333 --> 01:57:06,066
of collaboration with North Yarmouth Select board.

2347
01:57:06,500 --> 01:57:10,100
I would ask that perhaps as a show of good faith

2348
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:11,934
that perhaps maybe our first

2349
01:57:13,066 --> 01:57:15,066
new joint standing committee we could ask them if they would

2350
01:57:15,066 --> 01:57:17,000
like to revisit the cost sharing agreement

2351
01:57:17,066 --> 01:57:19,133
with the school board rather than us having to do a petition

2352
01:57:19,867 --> 01:57:21,467
if we wanna just get to it.

2353
01:57:22,033 --> 01:57:24,667
Perhaps they feel a little bit differently about it now.

2354
01:57:25,433 --> 01:57:29,767
So that's a question. I think the last thing is

2355
01:57:31,333 --> 01:57:32,634
still waiting

2356
01:57:32,767 --> 01:57:35,634
for our last remaining council priorities survey

2357
01:57:36,066 --> 01:57:37,166
to be delivered to me.

2358
01:57:38,066 --> 01:57:42,367
And I will compile that stuff and put it in a readable form.

2359
01:57:42,700 --> 01:57:45,133
I think that we are gonna do a workshop to talk about

2360
01:57:45,133 --> 01:57:47,000
that along with the council work plan,

2361
01:57:47,233 --> 01:57:49,467
which I think would be a really good opportunity

2362
01:57:49,467 --> 01:57:51,000
to talk about Jeff's thing.

2363
01:57:51,900 --> 01:57:52,934
'cause it kind of goes with that,

2364
01:57:52,934 --> 01:57:55,133
getting all the stuff in a readable form.

2365
01:57:56,266 --> 01:57:58,233
And I don't remember if that was October 13th. Yes.

2366
01:57:58,233 --> 01:57:59,266
Or 26th. October.

2367
01:57:59,266 --> 01:58:00,300
- October 13th. Okay. - Okay.

2368
01:58:00,767 --> 01:58:05,133
So I will have survey results for you guys at

2369
01:58:05,133 --> 01:58:06,500
that time. October 13th.

2370
01:58:07,333 --> 01:58:09,634
- Right? - Just been waiting, waiting on you Bill

2371
01:58:10,533 --> 01:58:12,500
if you wanna submit them. That's it

2372
01:58:13,300 --> 01:58:14,300
- Andrew.

2373
01:58:16,300 --> 01:58:17,500
- I'll try to be short and sweet.

2374
01:58:18,467 --> 01:58:20,767
October 7th at seven o'clock.

2375
01:58:20,834 --> 01:58:22,033
The LCC has its meeting,

2376
01:58:22,033 --> 01:58:24,300
it's monthly meeting here in cons chambers.

2377
01:58:25,033 --> 01:58:28,266
And so that's not next week, but the week after.

2378
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:30,467
So I think that's it

2379
01:58:32,133 --> 01:58:33,133
- Robert.

2380
01:58:34,533 --> 01:58:37,667
Okay. Tomorrow night go time.

2381
01:58:37,667 --> 01:58:39,900
This is, this is in response to you Jeff.

2382
01:58:41,100 --> 01:58:42,300
I hope you've spent a lot

2383
01:58:42,300 --> 01:58:44,367
of time thinking about tomorrow night

2384
01:58:44,367 --> 01:58:47,467
because I have thought a lot about tomorrow night.

2385
01:58:49,533 --> 01:58:52,000
This is where we have an opportunity to

2386
01:58:53,667 --> 01:58:57,700
show the public what leadership can be.

2387
01:58:59,767 --> 01:59:01,867
Five communities are gonna get together tomorrow.

2388
01:59:02,100 --> 01:59:05,634
Five select boards, count count, town councils

2389
01:59:06,333 --> 01:59:07,634
and school boards.

2390
01:59:09,166 --> 01:59:13,867
The challenge, this comes from the executive director

2391
01:59:13,867 --> 01:59:15,300
of Greater Poland Council of Government.

2392
01:59:15,667 --> 01:59:17,834
The group will focus on the political will

2393
01:59:18,133 --> 01:59:20,100
for substantial collaboration,

2394
01:59:20,533 --> 01:59:23,467
which would likely involve communities giving up some local

2395
01:59:23,567 --> 01:59:26,266
control and or sharing resources.

2396
01:59:27,133 --> 01:59:29,467
This will not be a discussion about smaller efforts

2397
01:59:29,500 --> 01:59:33,533
with small returns, but rather gauges their genuine interest

2398
01:59:33,533 --> 01:59:36,500
and will for difficult collaborative work.

2399
01:59:39,700 --> 01:59:41,634
You know, I've got lots of ideas, you know,

2400
01:59:41,867 --> 01:59:44,333
and I've got lots of ideas how, how we can,

2401
01:59:44,634 --> 01:59:46,867
the schools can collaborate, you know,

2402
01:59:47,667 --> 01:59:50,734
and we had an exercise here a couple weeks ago about cutting

2403
01:59:50,767 --> 01:59:52,300
5% outta municipal budget.

2404
01:59:52,467 --> 01:59:55,533
You know, what, what does that exercise look like

2405
01:59:55,634 --> 01:59:59,300
and how do we offset that 5% by collaborating

2406
01:59:59,300 --> 02:00:00,467
with other communities?

2407
02:00:01,767 --> 02:00:04,533
I've said this a number of times, I'll say it one more time.

2408
02:00:05,300 --> 02:00:09,367
Hancock Lumber has 800 employees in three different states.

2409
02:00:09,900 --> 02:00:12,000
They have one person who does payroll.

2410
02:00:14,934 --> 02:00:16,834
The opportunity for the schools

2411
02:00:17,033 --> 02:00:20,166
to have a single payroll system, the municipalities

2412
02:00:20,367 --> 02:00:24,133
to have a single payroll system is not rocket science.

2413
02:00:24,734 --> 02:00:26,100
It's, you know, the rest

2414
02:00:26,100 --> 02:00:27,867
of the country operates on a larger scale.

2415
02:00:27,934 --> 02:00:29,066
The entire state of Maine.

2416
02:00:32,467 --> 02:00:35,033
There was an accident on the turnpike the other night.

2417
02:00:35,533 --> 02:00:37,433
Ronnie Copp relayed this story to me.

2418
02:00:38,166 --> 02:00:40,000
This, the accident was in gray.

2419
02:00:40,333 --> 02:00:41,900
Cumberland responded first

2420
02:00:42,033 --> 02:00:43,900
'cause they could get up the turnpike headed north.

2421
02:00:44,433 --> 02:00:46,066
By the time the whole thing was done,

2422
02:00:46,066 --> 02:00:47,533
there was three communities involved.

2423
02:00:47,700 --> 02:00:50,500
Gray found with and Cumberland with six pieces

2424
02:00:50,533 --> 02:00:51,834
of apparatus on the road.

2425
02:00:52,634 --> 02:00:56,000
You know, so the idea that shared services

2426
02:00:57,000 --> 02:01:01,867
can't be extended beyond the property lines of a community.

2427
02:01:02,467 --> 02:01:05,066
We can't go, we, we can't, can't do that anymore.

2428
02:01:05,667 --> 02:01:08,166
The tax burden that's coming with our next tax bill,

2429
02:01:08,166 --> 02:01:10,834
with the school coming on board with

2430
02:01:12,634 --> 02:01:15,300
the debt load, additional staffing,

2431
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:19,367
it's imperative that we all sit down tomorrow night

2432
02:01:19,367 --> 02:01:24,133
with a degree of seriousness about what we can do, what we,

2433
02:01:25,100 --> 02:01:28,033
what is the will, the political will of, of

2434
02:01:29,667 --> 02:01:32,300
just not John, not just us, but all of us.

2435
02:01:33,300 --> 02:01:36,100
I think we all have to come tomorrow night with, you know,

2436
02:01:36,467 --> 02:01:40,533
fresh ideas, you know, and we are ready to try something.

2437
02:01:41,033 --> 02:01:44,500
The alternative is more taxes.

2438
02:01:45,567 --> 02:01:48,266
Oh, I'll add one piece of good news.

2439
02:01:49,634 --> 02:01:52,100
This also, this also came from Ronnie Co.

2440
02:01:52,100 --> 02:01:55,533
The, and i, I, I think it's spelled MERE

2441
02:01:55,533 --> 02:01:57,700
but i I, I know I can't pronounce it.

2442
02:01:58,033 --> 02:01:59,266
Mayor, mayor, mayor.

2443
02:01:59,834 --> 02:02:01,233
They had an opening day the other day

2444
02:02:01,233 --> 02:02:03,634
and Ronnie said they were people lined up across the street.

2445
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:08,000
- Oh, that's great. Safety. Yeah. 25 deep out the door.

2446
02:02:08,500 --> 02:02:10,100
- That's awesome. - At a minimum.

2447
02:02:11,100 --> 02:02:13,333
- I have a question for Bob. Hey Bob.

2448
02:02:15,066 --> 02:02:18,066
On those meetings that you guys were having in Yarmouth,

2449
02:02:18,100 --> 02:02:20,700
like kind of leading up to all of this, did,

2450
02:02:21,333 --> 02:02:25,333
was there a consensus yet on what you guys are thinking of?

2451
02:02:25,367 --> 02:02:29,300
Are we talking about like consolidating fire EMS is

2452
02:02:29,300 --> 02:02:31,533
or is that like that you're talking about large stuff?

2453
02:02:31,533 --> 02:02:32,934
Yeah, like large scale stuff.

2454
02:02:33,266 --> 02:02:35,100
So is that what this anonymous

2455
02:02:35,634 --> 02:02:37,333
vote will be tomorrow is seeing

2456
02:02:37,333 --> 02:02:39,300
what people are actually willing to do?

2457
02:02:40,066 --> 02:02:42,934
- I really don't know. Okay. Christine is a Jan Jen.

2458
02:02:43,433 --> 02:02:45,000
We had a, a couple of meetings

2459
02:02:45,233 --> 02:02:48,266
and out of that meeting was the, the decision

2460
02:02:48,300 --> 02:02:50,467
that we should involve everybody.

2461
02:02:50,767 --> 02:02:53,867
Yeah. And, and the fact that we got the schools to agree

2462
02:02:53,867 --> 02:02:56,000
to come, I think it was, it was substantial

2463
02:02:56,333 --> 02:02:57,500
good news for all of us.

2464
02:02:57,500 --> 02:03:01,767
So I don't, we don't, I don't have any preconceived ideas of

2465
02:03:01,767 --> 02:03:03,000
where tomorrow night is gonna go.

2466
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:06,634
I'd like to think that I would know

2467
02:03:06,634 --> 02:03:07,734
how it might play out, but

2468
02:03:08,367 --> 02:03:12,300
- If anything, people get to hang out and eat food and meet

2469
02:03:12,300 --> 02:03:13,300
- Each - New people.

2470
02:03:13,300 --> 02:03:16,367
Yeah. Cool.

2471
02:03:19,333 --> 02:03:22,000
- Alright. I had some stuff tonight,

2472
02:03:22,033 --> 02:03:24,734
but I don't think I'll wait.

2473
02:03:26,100 --> 02:03:29,867
Bob, I really enjoyed the discussion earlier.

2474
02:03:30,367 --> 02:03:33,433
Six o'clock on the housing. Thank you Bill.

2475
02:03:34,300 --> 02:03:35,500
Bob, it was very good.

2476
02:03:36,100 --> 02:03:38,166
Just want to repeat

2477
02:03:38,166 --> 02:03:40,900
what I said earlier tonight was a great exercise

2478
02:03:41,066 --> 02:03:42,467
and good civics

2479
02:03:45,300 --> 02:03:48,834
and you know, we'll, we'll, we'll,

2480
02:03:48,867 --> 02:03:50,500
we'll work together as a community.

2481
02:03:51,300 --> 02:03:52,934
So that being said,

2482
02:03:55,700 --> 02:03:57,433
we're gonna go into executive session.

2483
02:03:57,767 --> 02:04:00,100
Do we have, somebody will give us a motion.

2484
02:04:00,066 --> 02:04:03,066
- I'll give you a motion. I moved to recess

2485
02:04:03,100 --> 02:04:07,433
to executive session pursuant to title one MRSA 4 0 5 6 C

2486
02:04:08,233 --> 02:04:10,467
regarding acquisition of real property

2487
02:04:10,734 --> 02:04:14,767
and 4 0 5 6 A regarding a personnel matter.

2488
02:04:16,033 --> 02:04:16,300
- Second.

2489
02:04:22,667 --> 02:04:26,667
- All those in favor? Goodnight folks.

2490
02:04:26,700 --> 02:04:27,900
Thank you. That's, thank

2491
02:04:27,900 --> 02:04:28,000
- You.