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Thank you. Thank you. The Cumberland
Town Council is back from the executive
session. I will take a motion to seal
the minutes. So moved by Councelor Shaw,
second by Councel McIll. All in favor of
seal say I. Any opposed? The minutes are
sealed by a vote of seven to zero. I
will take a motion to adjurnn. Motion by
councelor Shaw is second by councel
McIll. Uh all in favor to adjurnn at
7:49.
>> All in favor? Any opposed? We are
adjourned at 7:49. Uh thank you
councelor
Chairman Shaw.
just go off the paper here. All right,
I'll call the meeting of the uh
Cumberland Board of License
Commissioners to order at 7:50 p.m. on
Wednesday, August 19th. Uh first, we
have the acceptance of the minutes of
July 15, 2026.
>> Motion.
by Commissioner Kin, second by
Commissioner McIll. All in favor?
>> All opposed. Eyes have it. 70. New
business. We have a temporary outdoor
serving license, an application from
Cumberland Athletic Club for their
annual summer outing located at 30
Hamilton Street on September 19th from
noon to 8:00 p.m. with a rain date of
September 26, 2026. This will be pending
revised outdoor floor plan uh for the
fire department and updated insurance
certificate.
We'll call the public hearing at 7:51
p.m. Um, madam clerk, was that what the
applicant was in today? or they provided
the updated so we don't need the updated
floor plan and just for clarification
because of the uh there was a conflict
of dates
>> so it is the 19th right so everything is
in order for the advertisement at least
okay fabulous is there someone from the
AC here
>> yes
>> oh okay sir uh if you want to go to the mic speak your name and
address for the record
>> you get used to it
>> but you name.
>> Uh Tom Ryan, 300 Mar Street in
Cumberland.
>> Welcome, Tom. So, uh this is for an
annual summer outing. Um how did you
have this last year?
>> Yes, we did.
>> Okay. And um uh anything special about
this?
>> It was pretty successful last year.
There were no issues. All we do, we have
a lawn there. I don't know if you're
familiar with the property, but we have
a lawn that we never use. So in the
summer time just to benefit the members.
We have a little cookout and we play
some cornhole. I mean
it's as innocent as it gets. We have our
family there, the kids there and
whatever.
>> That's it.
>> And 8 8:00 p.m. is the closing time of
the outdoor
>> easy festivities, right?
>> Yep.
>> Okay. Very good. Um thank you. Is there
anyone in the audience that like to
speak in favor or against?
Seeing nobody any Oh, Zoom. All right.
So, we'll close the public hearing at
7:52 p.m. Thank you're all set, sir.
>> Thank you.
>> I know you don't like to be up there, so
>> um [laughter]
uh any motions or discussions?
>> I'll make a motion to approve the
license.
>> We got a motion by Commissioner Kinch,
second by Commissioner McIll. All in
favor?
>> All opposed? The eyes have it. 70.
Hope you have some fun. Next, we have a
we're going to um yeah, we'll just do
this one. The class BV license for
permission uh for presentation perition
advertised. We have a transfer uh
application for a class BV license from
Joseé Almeida DBA Park Pub to Mar and
Mora located at 17 Mil Street. Again,
that was for advertisement.
Next, we have a class F1ed one-day full
liquor license. an application for a
class F1 1ed one-day full liquor license
from Blackstone River Glass LLC for
Island Night at BRGC event on September
11th, 2026 from 6:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m.
located at 30 Meeting Street. This will
be uh pending a promoter's permit. If
approved, we'll open the public hearing
at 7:54 p.m. I I take it you like being
up there because you ran right up there.
>> I had to take a whole course on this year [laughter] as you just you
just ignore it.
>> Okay. If you would be so kind to
introduce yourself.
>> Uh Rebecca Sukov, owner of Blackstone
River Glass uh center down on the river
at Cadillac Mills uh across from
Cumberland Hall.
>> Very good. and the event that you're
doing this uh
>> we're hoping to start uh one of we're
hoping it'll be an annual thing just
like a nice cultural event to bring
people in. Um we're having like a small
concert and a food truck with a Jamaican
theme to it. And we're also doing glass
activities that go with sort of an
island theme to it. uh making fish,
doing mosaics, um flame working a palm
tree that people are going to get to
make coconuts and stick on the palm
tree. And so anyway, that's we try and
tie everything in together with a theme
and it'll be out on the river.
>> Is this the first time you're having
this type of event or did you have this?
>> No, we had a we had an amazing
fundraiser just a few months ago. Um
that's what I'm thinking.
>> Absolutely incredible.
>> Yeah, I knew you had another event. I
wasn't too sure if it was last year
>> or just recent. Okay.
>> Yeah, that that was early June.
>> Very good. Um, anyone in the audience
would like to speak in favor or against?
>> Anyone from Zoom?
>> No. All right. Then we'll close the
public hearing at 7:55 p.m. Any motions
or discussions from the commission?
>> Question from Commission.
>> You say this is going to be outside.
>> Is this out outside? It's so we're at
the end of the Do you know where
Cadillac Mills is? We're on a dead end
that ends in the river basically. If you
know where the um the boat docks are for
the tourism council, Blackstoneone um
Valley Tourism Council.
>> So, yes, it's outdoor. We have zero
neighbors and we're ending at 10.
>> The the only reason why I asked I didn't
see a rain date. Did you
>> We're going to move it inside because we
couldn't get everybody the the food and
the music. We couldn't get everybody
coordinated. It's not, you know, just do
a little sundance.
>> She's trying to help you.
>> I'd rather not be inside because it's so
beautiful in the river. You know, we've
got the sunsets, but that's that's the
plan.
>> Okay. Thanks.
>> Yep.
>> Anyone else?
» Motion.
to approve by Commissioner McIll.
>> Second.
by Commissioner Kinch. All in
favor?
>> All opposed? The eyes have it. 70.
Congratulations.
>> Thank you all.
>> Thank you. Congratulations.
>> All right.
Next, we have public comment. Anyone
like to speak
on Zoom?
Lastly, we have motion for adjournment.
>> I'll make the motion.
>> Motion by Commissioner Kin, second by
Commissioner McIll. Did you have a
public
>> on liquor?
>> No worries. Um, we have a a motion by
Commissioner McIll, was it? Second by
Commissioner Kinch. Uh, all in favor?
>> I.
>> All opposed. The eyes have it. 70. We
are adjourned at 7:57 p.m. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I first I
want to welcome everyone to the regular
schedule meeting of the Cumberland Town
Council, and I do apologize for us being
a little ttty in the executive session.
Uh, I'm going to call this meeting uh
together at 7:57 p.m. And for the
record, all council members are indeed
present.
If everybody would join me for the
pledge of allegiance.
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, liberty and
justice for all.
>> Thank you.
Next item as we moved down our agenda
with three general announcements.
Council, does anyone have any general
announcements they'd like to share?
Seeing none, we're going to move on. The
next item is our consent agenda. If uh
does any council members have any issue
or would like to uh pull out any item
from the consent agenda?
Seeing none, I'll take a motion to
approve the consent agenda. So moved by
councelor Jaw Shaw, second by councel
McIll. All in favor to approve say I.
>> Any opposed? The consent agenda passes
by a vote of seven to zero. Next item is
our first public comment of the evening.
If anybody would like to address the
council on any topic, just please step
to the microphone and state your name
and address for the uh record. Sir, did
you want to uh
you Yeah, you can speak the last anytime
you want. Does anybody want to address
the council
on the first public comment? We got one
more shot at, so don't you worry.
Okay, we're going to move now. Next item
down is uh reports and communications.
We have reports out of executive session
as may be necessary. The council took no
votes in executive session. And next
item, we have item B under that uh uh
line item six is our update from our
school committee. Chairwoman Vogle.
Thank you.
» Good evening. Amy Vogle, 10 Wam Trail
Cumberland. Um, well, it's the start of
a new school year already. I cannot
believe it for the 26 27 class. And on
August 26, grades one through nine
return. And on August 27th 7th, all
grades return. So, normally we started
after Labor Day, but Labor Day being so
late, we're starting before. Um, the
next thing is enrollment com enrollment
this year is 5,171
students. We are up 88 students from the
same time last year. So we continue to
grow here in Cumberland. And finally, BF
Norton is construction is on time on
budget. So those are two wonderful
things to say. And I was assured at the
last meeting that it would be completely
on time. So any questions?
>> Any comments or or questions for the
chair?
>> Just one council.
>> No. Do you know when the bus schedule
will be published? Because I know that's
often inquired. And are there any
impacts this year to transportation that
you're
>> this year? There's no impacts to
transportation. We are starting a trial
for optin, but they don't need to opt
in. They can start opting in, but it
does not impact bus riders this year.
For the 2728 year, the opt-in model will
be used in order to decide how many um
riders will be on each bus to figure out
the capacity of how many buses we
actually need. So, we're not
overspending money on busing. I I
thought the bus schedule was going to be
out today, but it might be tomorrow. I
think it might be actually in the Valley
Breeze tomorrow, but I could be
completely making that up. That's my
thought. So,
>> thank you. Anything else?
>> Again, thank you, Madam Chair.
>> Thank you. I appreciate it.
>> Okay, we're moving down under our
reports and communications uh section.
We are now at monthly and quarterly
financial reports ending July 2026. Does
anyone have any questions of the mayor
on the financials?
Seeing none, I'm going to move down. We
now have the check register for July
2026. Any questions of the mayor on
check register? We are now down on item
E. We have a request from the tax
assessor to review and approve July 2026
abatements and supplemental bills. We do
have a total for 2020 2026 real estate
supplementals for approval in the amount
of $8,827.39.
There's no questions. I will take a
motion to approve. So, so moved by
councelor Shaw, second by councel McIll.
All in favor to approve say I. Any
opposed? The supplementals are approved
by a vote of seven to zero. Moving down,
we are now at
department reports. We have animal
control, building committee, building
official, EMS, library, parks and
recreation, planning and community
development report, uh, police
department, senior services, and the
town clerk's office. Does any council
members have any question on those
reports?
Hearing none, I'm moving on now. We're
going to be at number seven, licenses.
We're at entertainment license. We have
an application for a special event
entertainment license from Blackstone uh
River Glass LLC for the Island Night at
BRGC event on September 11, 2026 from
6:00 to 10 located at 30 Meeting Street.
We do approve council is pending a
promoter's permit. Uh does anyone have
any discussion on this license or
comments?
Hearing none, I'll take a motion to
approve the license. Motion by councelor
McIll,
second by councelor Shaw. All in favor
to approve say I. I.
>> Any opposed? The license passes by a
vote of seven to zero. We're moving
down. We are now at an application for a
special event entertainment license from
Adam Farms LLC for the weekends at the
farm uh for a farm event on Sep
September 12th and 13th. September 18th
and 19th and 20. September 25th, 26th,
27. October 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. October
9th, 10th, and 11th, 12th, 16, 17, and
18. October's 23rd, 24th, 25th. October
30, 31st, and November 1st of 2026. They
will be running from 9:00 a.m. to 6:00
p.m. Located at 158 Burke Swamp. We do
approve. It's pending the promoter's
permit. Does anybody have any questions
on these dates or any other syndrome?
Hearing none, I'll take a motion to
approve all dates.
>> So moved by councel Shaw, second by
council McGill. All in favor to approve
say I. Any opposed.
The uh eyes have it by a vote 7 to zero.
Okay, we are now moving down to our next
license. We have an application for a
special event entertainment license from
Franklin Farms uh for the Cumberland
Fire Department Family Family Day, an
event uh on September 19th, 2026 from
10:30 a.m. to 6 p.m. located at 142
Abbott Run uh Road. If we do uh if we do
approve, it's pending the promoter's
permit. Um I see Phantom uh excuse me,
Franklin Farms is here. Does anyone have
any questions for Franklin Farms on this
event?
>> Just one if I may.
>> Of course. Council Bol
>> just curious if there's a rain date
» or Franklin Farm. That's where we are.
Yep.
>> Franklin Farm.
>> Is there a rain date for the September
19th, 2026?
» Thank you.
>> If there is no uh further discussion on
this,
>> I'll make a motion to approve. I got a
motion by councelor Bolio and a second
by councelor McIll. All in favor to
approve the license say I. Any opposed?
The license passes by a vote of 7 to
zero. Next item, we're moving down now
on licenses number four. We have an
application for a special event
entertainment license for Phantom Farm 2
uh LLC for a fall fest event on
September 12 and 13, September 19th and
20. September 26 and 27, October 3rd and
4th, October 10th and 11th, October 17th
and 18th, October 24 and 25 of 2026 from
10 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. Uh, this is located
at 2920 Diamond Hill Road or I take a
motion. Does uh any uh council want to
pull one of these dates to treat it
separately?
>> I would. Yes. Thank you. So, um I'm in
support of all days except for September
19th. And the reason for that is I think
the Franklin Farm event is a full
volunteer event and it's quite in close
in its proximity to the Phantom Farms.
Um I know uh like I said, it's a full
volunteer event and it does help to
promote, you know, the culture within
the farming community in in Cumberland.
And so I think having uh that date
distinguished only for Franklin Farm um
you know again due to the proximity I
think would make the most sense and as
it relates to Adam's farm I supported
all the dates because I think the
proximity is much further apart from
[clears throat] um these two uh
establishments.
>> Okay. So, uh, what what I will do is
I'll take a motion to approve those in a
polling. Well, first I'll take a motion.
Uh, do we want to uh do we want to
remove September 19th
>> 19th September 19th, 2020?
>> Yeah. No, I'll
» Sure.
» Okay.
» I see. Thank you.
>> Does that change?
>> Yes.
>> Yeah, it would be the 26th. My
>> No, thank you. I was gonna get there. I
just didn't know if I had to open a
public hearing before allowed you to
speak, but we're good.
>> On this particular item.
>> Okay. Do I open a public hearing for
this?
>> Oh, okay. Okay.
» I'll bring you. You have to sit tight.
If you want to address the council on
your license, of course. If you want to
come to the podium.
>> Okay. Come on up.
>> Yeah.
Um I guess I just want to know if I have
to reapply for a different license now.
Do I have to reapply if we can't do it
on that date? Well, we haven't made that
decision yet, but if if we pull it um
and and I
agree with the councelor's uh view of
this, is there any way that this one day
could be set aside so that your neighbor
farm can have this solo?
>> Yeah, I'll just talk to the GM and it's
just um an event for the kids. So, we
just wouldn't inflate the balance houses
or do the hay rides um should your
decision that when we have two that are
close by to do that. So,
>> as long as we know ahead just for like
scheduling.
>> Yeah, we'll uh So, what I'll do is I'm still going to go ahead. I'll remove
it, take a vote on them all
and then we'll leave this one to the
side and we'll take a vote separately uh
to deny your Okay.
>> Okay. Mr. President, just to be clear,
if you wanted to substitute another
date,
>> yes, I think you would have to come
back. We just do it every weekend of
September, October for fall. So we
wouldn't push it okay to to another
date. Okay. But thank you.
>> While we have uh we have uh Fan here, do
we have any questions about these
events?
Um
I think uh what is the situation with
parking because um last year we had
parking spilling over into all of the
nearby streets and we are probably going
to reduce parking in all of those
neighborhoods to only one side of the
street because otherwise it's a public
safety issue. The emergency vehicles
can't fit through there.
>> So do you feel that you're going to have
adequate parking with that? because my
concern is we need to make it so
emergency vehicles can fit through those
neighborhoods. We also don't want to see
a trail of people with kids marching up
Diamond Hill Road. Um that seems a
little bit dangerous. So, have you been
able to expand parking?
>> Yeah, absolutely. So, we are working on
an alternate plan for all of our Fall
Fest dates. Um we kind of tested it at
the vendor fair last weekend um where we
opened up down the farm. We um had
people drive all the way down and we
opened up a parking area down there. Um,
so we're contemplating the idea of doing
that partially again, um, and adjusting
our hayride schedule so that it can
alleviate, we were able to fit about 100
cars down there and we feel as though it
significantly alleviated the side roads
last weekend. We really didn't have any,
to my knowledge, um, neighborly
complaints or anything like that. Um, so
we felt as though that was a good jump
start to be kinder to our neighbors.
Um, I guess one of my other questions
would be when you're Wow, I just forgot
my question when I went to speak. I'm
sorry. [laughter]
>> It's okay.
>> Whoops.
>> Join the club.
>> Yeah. What was that?
One of my other questions would be um
around a police detail because I know
you've had a police detail. At one
point, we requested a police detail. I
noticed on here you only say 100 people
in attendance, but that seems unlikely
for an event that last year full filled
multiple streets on both sides plus your
parking lot plus part of Diamond Hill
Road with cars. So, does that number
need to be updated to something more
realistic? Um, that's what the police go
by for public safety.
>> Yeah, so when we pulled numbers from
last year, we averaged about 98 tickets
sold per day.
>> Okay. Um, but we only charge for the
children.
>> Okay,
>> so that's 98 children tickets average.
There's certainly days where there was
more um per day. So if you have the
grandparents coming and the aunties and
it would lead to to more cars. So I
don't I don't really know how to answer
that properly. There could certainly be
more than that in one day.
>> Okay. Um,
I don't really want to I mean, I think
it's very important that the farm
succeeds, but I also want to make sure
people are safe. So, without us
requiring a police detail or anything
like that, would you take it upon
yourself to reach out to the police
department and see if they think that it
might be and maybe if they're willing
to, I don't know, drive by a few extra
times on the first weekend. If it looks
crowded, have some more because if it's
needed to direct traffic and keep keep
people safe, I want it to be there. But
I don't want to put the onus on you guys
to maybe pay for something or deal with
something that you don't need. But
>> yeah, no, we will certainly pay for
police detail if that's what's
requested. Um, we want everyone to be
safe also. And whatever is requested and
want is wanted by everybody, we will
certainly do that. No problem at all.
>> Can you um maybe do give us an estimate
of how many people you're expecting? If
you're actually counting people, not
just tickets sold, because I that would
be like that would be the number that
public safety needs to determine, you
know, do they need more people for
traffic detail? Do they need you guys to
have a police detail because just the
kids
>> since they usually don't drive,
>> right? Yeah. So, that's why. Yeah.
>> So, I mean, if we could get an updated
number on that, I mean, I would probably
be more um comfortable voting in favor
of it. And it's just trying to get that
balance. And I am a little concerned
because now that we know we have to
limit parking and that's going to be on
an upcoming agenda. I just want to make
sure we're not spilling out onto Diamond
Hill Road with nobody there to help with
traffic because you guys can't really
direct traffic on Diamond Hill Road on
the road. You know, it would be
dangerous and illegal.
>> Um so, [laughter] you know, I just want
to make sure we we have safety and we're
also sort of respecting the neighbors
and everything.
>> Yeah, absolutely. I can get um I wasn't
here
>> for Fall Fest last year, so um I'll just
have to talk to the GM and um and the
owner and just get their better
judgment.
>> Okay. on what they think the actual
attendance was last year versus tickets
sold. Okay. Um and car-wise. Um but I
will also emphasize to them that um
making the back parking is now a
forefront and and rescheduling our
hayide is is of importance so that the
cars can park back there and come out.
>> Yeah. Because I imagine you also have
additional employees and other people
that need to park too, right? It's not
just
>> they're not allowed to park in front
during Fall Fest, but Yeah. [laughter]
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So
>> yes, and we h assuming that the um no
parking ordinance passes when it gets in
front of the council in the next few
weeks, it does allow for parking on both
sides of the farm externally. So it'll
be adjacent parking to you and then um
it'll just be one side of those streets
the other way around. So you'll still
have, you know, some areas.
>> Okay.
>> Thank you, Council. Councelor Shaw.
>> Thank you, Mr. President. So, um, unlike
past events where you had vendors, this
one does not have any vendors. So,
therefore, all those parked cars from 40
vendors being there are going to be
non-existent, right? So, so that's good. That helps
>> at least understand the capacity for
which people that are attending, they're
not going to be finding spots because of
these 40 vendors taking up most of the
parking.
>> Correct. But you did have um and this
could be just my
mind forgetting, but I looked back into
some past meetings. You did say you were
serving liquor
and that that you were applying for an
F1, but I don't see any F1 license being
issued or applied for. And I wanted to
make I went back to like June to make
sure that we didn't do it that
prematurely early and then you're now
you're coming for the regular
entertainment license and like say that
you don't have one.
>> No. Yeah. So, um I'm currently figuring
that out. We're not as of right now.
There will be no Phantom Brewing won't
be there if that that's usually who we
have.
>> Um I'm also So, I'm the new event court
director for Phantom Farms and Phantom
Brewing.
>> So, as of right now, um for Fall Fest,
there will not be Phantom Brewing on
site. There will be no vendors, no
alcohol of any kind. Um
that has been a thing. So, no,
>> but but it could come possibly in the in
like that would affect maybe October if
we had a meeting in September and you
applied for a license for those events
is what is like I want to um
>> maybe confirm with the solicitor. Yeah.
>> So, we've talked about this. So, Phantom
Brewing has a B license and andor a
state license. So, she's conferring with
DBR on what the brewery can do or not do
on other properties.
They cannot get an F license at Phantom
Farm North, I'm calling it.
>> Okay.
>> Because they have they now have the
winery license.
>> So, they are unable to get a uh they are
unable to ask for an F license going
forward. previously they didn't have the
winery license that's why they could ask
for the F license.
>> That was going to be my follow-up one
because I know that was that you and I
have been talking whether or not that
was issued if that was the case.
>> So So okay, I did talk to the state the
other day after our conversation. Um
>> and there are three
conflicting things. So no, the brewery
cannot serve at the farm
ever. You know, right now it it's not a
thing. So, we are seeking after we
spoke, seeking other ways to potentially
have it there. As of right now, it's not going to happen.
>> Okay.
>> Should that change, I don't know how
quick. I don't Yeah, but as of right
now, with their current license at the
brewery, they won't they won't be at the
farm. It might be through one of those
outside vendors, but we haven't even
discussed that.
>> So, the application should read no.
There would be no liquor service.
>> No. Yeah. No, no, sorry.
>> That doesn't say that. That's why I
brought it up.
>> It because um when we did apply for it,
we did apply, but then we figured out it
couldn't. So, yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah.
>> Okay. Well, I appreciate the
clarification. Thank you.
>> Yeah.
>> I I can I just
did you have more employees in that
parking lot of this last festival
because it seemed like there were a lot
of people moving around.
>> I was doing parking detail. Yeah.
>> Good. Good. [laughter] I'm just saying
good. Good for you. Thank you.
>> Yeah. You're welcome. Yeah.
>> Um, now I know there's been some
interest on this. Is anybody else have
any questions of the
>> spokesman for the farm?
>> All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Do I have to open a public record if I
want to hear a public meeting?
>> There's somebody that wants
>> Yeah, I want to get me to go up here.
Does you would like to address anything?
Please
>> just state your come to the just state
your name and address for the record. Is
you know the routine. [laughter]
Linda Pillo, one Town Thompson Hill
Drive. I'm just concerned about the
parking because last year was absolutely
horrendous. I know you weren't there,
but there was parking on both sides of
the road. I couldn't even get out of my
street. I had to back down. And so it
was better. I have to say the last event
that you had, the fact that you closed
that gate and people weren't going in
there and then just going up and around
and I did see that people were parking
further down. Um the hundred
for attendance is way off, way off just
because of what was parking in front of
my house last year. There was a minimum
and there was turnover all day. There
was at least 15 cars in front of my
property alone and so and most of those
cars had four people in them. And then
as far as the my understanding with them
applying for a liquor license, I um have
been the license itself hasn't been
issued. So according to DBR and I did
send a letter to Leand desolate until
the license is issued they can apply for
a class F liquor license and that is the
only type of license they can apply for
during that time and then once the
license is license is actually issued
they can then if they want to serve what
is not produced on the farm they then
have to get it through like a caterer
license and someone there
>> and so we don't regulate state licenses.
So a caterer's license is a state
license. So
>> the brewery license is a state license
but they also have a town B class B
license which they can't use to serve on
other properties. Right? So I I am not
uh advising town the town
>> on state licenses, right?
>> But I I think you're right. I think if
they used a caterer, they could, right?
>> I thought that the um winery license did
issue. If it didn't,
>> it has not issued to date yet, but
they're not asking for the F license.
>> But I just wanted you like when you were
saying that since they've gotten the
license, that's what I was told for a
right for a class F. But I emailed her today to ask if the
license had been issued,
>> right? But they're not asking for a
class F, so it doesn't really implicate
this, you know. So once that class F
license issues, even if even if they
were to approve an F license, which
they're not asking for, they couldn't
use it if they had the winery license,
which they don't have yet until it's
issued
>> legally. That's what they told me. So I
just wanted to clarify that. Um and then
if
like there is parking there, what else
can be done
like with the overflow if there is
overflow if parking
isn't limited on the roads
like in the past when the signs went up
like they do for the parade.
>> Yeah.
If when it comes up for z parking and
prevent parking,
what can be done if that doesn't get
issued in time for fall fest? We could
still um do temporary Yeah, we could
still do temporary signs, but um we did
have uh I spoke with all of the chiefs
before putting the ordinance together uh
police, fire, and EMS, and we they
understood and confirmed that there is
not enough room for emergency vehicles
with cars parked on both sides. So, I'm
hoping
>> all these all these wonderful folks up
here, I'm hoping at least four of them
are going to vote with us next time to
get that um parking, you know, in place
and then we'll do our best to get the
signs up before all of this is started
because we still have a little bit of
time left because we meet again in two
weeks. So, the uh my my hope is that
we're going to have ordinance
subcommittee um within that time,
possibly on the same day as our next
town council meeting, pass through the
ordinance thing, assuming everything is
in order um and then have be able to
vote on it and, you know, get the signs
up pretty quickly, but if we need to, we
can do temporary signs again.
>> Okay, great. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Anyone else want to speak on this while
you're
Okay. So, let's get back to the list.
So, I understand
Phantom Farm is willingly going to
remove 926. Is that right?
From your request.
So, um I'll take a motion to amend this
license.
You can vote to approve all the dates
except for September 26th and then take
up September 26th.
>> Makes it simple. So, uh, with that said
and no objection, I'll take a motion
because everything is in order on the on
the farm's end. I'll take a motion to
approve this license for every day
except 92626.
>> So moved by councelor.
>> It is second by
>> council. Councelor Bolio. All in favor
to approve say I. Any opposed. The uh
the license passes by a vote of seven to
zero. And again, I want to thank you for
working with our nonprofit.
Okay, we're move we're moving over to
our next item. We have an application
for a special event license from Ocean
State Brewing Company doing doing
businesses Phantom Farms Brewing for a
parking lot takeover event on September
5th, uh 2026. All of these will all be
at 26 September 5th, September 20th,
October 3rd, and these are all from
12:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. And it's going
to be located at 30 Mountain Street.
Everything is in order. I'm sorry. Go
ahead.
>> I just want to make sure. So, you took
you voted to approve all of them except
for
>> September 26th.
>> And now, are you going to take up
September 26th?
>> I certainly will if I have to do that.
But if it was removed,
>> Yeah. I think you need a vote on it.
Yeah.
>> Okay. Well, let's go back one.
>> Sorry.
>> So, um we approved uh the previous
dates. Now, I will take a motion uh to
deny the license an application for a
special event entertainment license of
Phantom Farm to LLC uh for Fall Fest for
the date of 92626.
Do I have a motion? So, moved by
councelor Bolio. It is second by
councelor.
>> All in favor to deny say uh say I.
>> I. Any opposed? The the the license is
denied by a vote of six to one. Okay.
Thank you. So, we're moving on to our
next again we special event uh license
for Ocean State Brewing doing business
phantom farms. Uh brewing for parking
lot takeover uh event September 5th,
September 20th, October 3rd, all of 2026
from 12 uh to 6 pm. This is located at
30 M Street uh for the council.
Everything is indeed order in order. Um
is anybody here from the farm on this
particular please or you step up tell us
what this is going to entail?
» These are our concert series.
>> Um we do them in the parking lot. They
are really great events. Big turnout for
these. Um we usually anticipate at least
500 guests to attend. Um the bands go
right on the loading dock um outside.
It's really fun. Um when we serve our
beer, there's usually two food trucks
there. Um I don't know what they will be
yet. Um they're still pending. Um but
just like all the other other ones we've
had.
>> I'll just ask the other ones of not that
I know of of any problem, but uh is
there a law enforcement officer hired
for those?
Um I've only been to one. It was a small
one in March. Um there was no police
detail requested for that one. Um and we
had but we did hire security to man the
gates and check IDs. Um
>> but I don't know for the others. I think
maybe they have police. I would I would
have to double check with with that.
>> Um I can't remember. No, I did call
Lieutenant
um
>> Boris. Boris today and left a message um
because in my portal did say that they
requested police detail. So I'm just
waiting on a call back.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Any questions of the uh of phantom? Mr.
Shaw,
>> just just for clarification purposes
because it says 500 in attendance,
right? And that should trigger some sort
of
>> detail. Yeah.
>> And there wasn't any in in the in the
past. You said
>> No, I don't know.
>> That you don't know of.
>> No, I think there was, but I just
>> Okay. So can't confirm it. The
expectation is that there will be a
police detail
>> at these events even though you hired
security.
>> Separate issue that's like a control
thing. But having a police presence
>> and and and
>> EMS or
>> um I think that's a next step in my
portal that it's like not through yet
for the application
>> cuz that's a pretty or or I don't know
if EMS or fire. I don't know what
>> for the big ones. I think they said they
had both EMS and police
>> for the ones that were like over 200
guests,
» but we're not but last year. Yeah. Yeah.
But you're not there as far as the
portal goes for this event.
>> I did submit this one.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> Mr. President.
>> Yes. I I just want to be clear if it's
not a regulation and I don't know if it
is about the number of attendees
triggering details then if you want them
then you have to make them a condition
of your approval right
>> so I don't know if they're in the
regulation at 200 people or whatever but
if they're not and you want them there
you have to put it in your approval
>> there is a trigger isn't there
>> well that's what I was assumption But I
guess I don't know.
>> She does it. I'm sorry.
» So you'll be
>> So she might be at the point where
» Yeah. I left a message with Lieutenant
Forest today because it said that but
they wanted police details. So I reached
out and just I'm waiting for a call
back.
>> So they they said they wanted one.
>> It's what it said in my in my in the
portal. There's like a message and it
says police detail requested. Please
call Lieutenant um Forest at Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> To coordinate
>> because we don't want to put an undue
burden on the business if it's not going
to deny. But if he's saying that, I
would probably make the motion to add
the police detail.
>> Go ahead.
>> Isn't it It's already part of It's going
to be in that packet. I don't think we
have to say that. We never done that. Do
we? We go. Sure.
» You know, we'll hear from Chief Desert.
Do you want to comment on this? Just
come up here so we can
» leave.
» So, I would like to say that they do
contact us through the portal.
>> Um, there is a trigger number. Um, I
don't know if it's identical across
public safety agencies. Um, but
historically, um, I've always suggested,
well, mandated that an EMS detail be
there. Um, and a few times, um, like a
week before, they they email me to
cancel and say that we don't have the we
haven't had the ticket sales, so we
cancel. This happened to the last one,
okay, on Sunday. I think it was a couple
weeks ago. Um, and there was a medical
event there. So I there's no way for me
to actually
drive by and count the amount of people
there like you know when I'm off duty.
So it it's sort of this
gray area. Um but I can tell you moving
forward I'm not going to allow them just
to cancel because they won't have their
ticket sales because there's no way for
me to verify that and I'm not going to
put this public safety at risk. So um I
just like to say that.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Mr. McGill. So, is there an event this
weekend on the 22nd?
>> On the 22nd
or the 23rd?
>> Yeah, I think the 22nd cuz there's a
police detail that's
>> one of those dates. Yeah.
>> scheduled for that.
>> Mhm. Yeah.
>> So, if that's similar to what going on
here, I don't know what that event is,
but if it's similar to
>> it's the same it's the same.
>> So, I'm assuming
>> parking lot takeover series.
>> So, I'm assuming that they end up
getting the details.
>> Okay. So,
>> that's my assumption, but you talk to
Lieutenant Forest and
>> Yeah.
>> All right. So if they had one there, can
I just clarify?
Was EMS there as well on the last?
>> Not this last one because they called
they emailed you to cancel it. They said
they had only sold like 100 tickets. So,
you know, I replied, "Okay,
you know, I get people texting big
events,
firearms down here."
» So,
» okay,
>> this is justformational since you're new to the role. I just wanted to
um let you know that we did pass an
ordinance at the last meeting that you
know as you start going forward um we're
asking that everyone apply six weeks in
advance for licenses just for for
situations like this um just to make
sure that public safety and everybody
has a chance to weigh in. So I just want
to make sure you're aware it's new and
you're new and
>> Yes. Yeah. Paige told me. So now I'm
doing the state I have it in my my
agenda is that 8 weeks out I apply for
the state permit that should come in by
time for the six week. So
>> thank you so much.
>> Yep. You're welcome.
>> Any other questions of the applicant?
>> No.
>> Thank you so much.
>> Thank you very much.
>> Any motions or further discussion by the
council on this license?
>> Motion to approve.
>> I got a motion to approve by councel. Do
I have a second?
by council McIll. All in favor of
approve say I. Any opposed? The license
passes by a vote of seven to zero.
>> Thank you. Next item. We're moving down.
We are now at license number six. An
application for a special event license
for Franklin Farm for the harvest
festival event on September 26, 2026
with a rain date of 20 uh September
27th, 2026. This is 9 to5 uh p.m.
located at 142 Abbott Run Valley Road.
We do approve this license as pending
the insurance certificate.
Um Mudge, did you want to comment on
that or do do we have do we even need So
we we're quite familiar with that. Did
you someone stick their hand and wanted
to comment on that? Okay. If I don't see
any discussion from the me council
members, I'll take a motion to approve
it.
>> So moved.
by councelor Bolio. It has been
seconded by councelor. Was it sure? All
in favor to approve the license say I.
Any oppose? This license passes by a
vote of 7 to zero. We are now at all
business.
The first item uh we have on uh up for
public hearing is ordinance 26-06. It's
an ordinance amending the code of
ordinance regarding the disposition of
public property. This was tabled from
July 15, 2026 council meeting. And
before we go, um I am going to uh uh
need a motion to accept the A version of
this ordinance.
>> So move.
>> So moved by councelor Bolio second.
>> Second by councelor sweet
>> and sure.
>> All in favor to uh approve say I.
>> Any opposed.
>> Okay. We are now dealing with 260 uh 06A
as amended. I'm going to open the public
hearing at 8:34 PM.
Chairwoman Bole. Thank you, Mr.
President. So, we did hear this uh
ordinance today. It um in our
subcommittee and it received favorable
passage of 3 to zero. Uh what it does
address is the disposition of property
that could include uh equipment as well
as uh real estate property itself. Um
and it was intended to streamline the
processes uh for both of those areas. Uh
and in part as it relates to the um the
vehicle and equipment that they will
leverage the state bid list um or some
other you know public mechanism like
that. Um, and I don't know if you want
to add anything as you've been working
so hard in this councelor.
>> Um, ju just the original in intention of
redoing this ordinance was to give us
more options. Before this, we only had
one um pretty lengthy convoluted way to
sell property that the town had that it
might have an interest in selling. This
gives us a host of options all still
requiring approval from the council and
um it is in keeping with what our
neighbors are doing in the same type of
situation. Um the only major difference
is that I did leave the original system
in place. We just have additional
streamlined options now.
>> Excellent. Um thank you. So, what I'll
do is since the public comment is uh
open, is anybody in the audience would
like to comment on ordinance 26-06A is
amended?
I see no one in the chamber. Madame
clerk, anyone joining us virtually?
Okay. Um, so with that said, I'm going
to close the public hearing at 8:36 p.m.
and leave any motions or comments to the
council.
>> Sure. Question,
>> Mr. Bradley.
>> Is this going to allow us to uh sell
property out on the open market?
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> You could we could sell it um through a
real estate agent. We could sell it
through a public auction. Um, we could
sell it to a neighboring property owner
if they weren't trying to develop it. It
gives us a whole host of options and
vehicles and equipment can be se sold
through um, uh, sites that are like
public auction sites like MUN bid. So,
sort of eBay for local government stuff.
Um, so it gives us a whole host of
options for the best way to sell things
and get the best price. And we would of
course be voting on them before anything
was sold.
>> Yeah, the MUN bid for equipment. I
brought that up about five or seven
years ago.
>> Nothing was ever done with it. So, that
I'm good to see. However, I don't think
the town should be in the real estate
business
other than to sell it to an abuing
property owner that's going to add it to
their property.
>> Thank you, councelor. Any other
comments?
>> I I just want to be clear on the surplus
equipment and I want to review this for
a sec here.
the mayor get is the one that would um
sell the surplus goods in consultation
with a town department. So that would
not come to you. I just want to clarify
that real estate always comes to you,
but the surplus equipment would go on
the uh MUN bid or similar site.
>> That's at section F line. find it
» missing where we also have that
>> I think question
>> it it's my reading uh first of all I
appreciate the council taking up uh this
ordinance and I mentioned it for those
who are history buffs this was actually
passed in 1996 I'm not actually well
actually it was probably 1997
um but um I'm not sure it was ever
actually uh executed in in any in any
manner But it is my reading under um on
section A where the town council shall
determine by resolution the manner in
which the real or tangible property is
to be sold. So, I do believe that I
could be mistaken, but I do think that
whatever the town was looking to uh
sell, there would be a resolution
um informing you as to what was being
sold in the manner in which it was being
sold and you would have an opportunity
to uh weigh in on whether or not you
thought that was appropriate. Um that's
my reading, but I could be mistaken. And
then the other the only other thing is
there needs to be during the committee
there was a spelling error on Y
>> line 101 that needs to be repaired.
Thank you.
>> So if you do want input on the surplus
equipment we should change
uh line
um
line 95
to sorry line 96. when the mayor in
consultation with the relevant town
department determines
and then yeah
>> okay
>> we will pause
» is the qualified okay
» I'm sorry what line was the typo uh
And that should be qualified, right?
Can we correct those on the fly or I
need a B?
>> Yeah. No, you can correct them. Okay.
Madam solicitor, the second line after
101 was what? 896.
» 96.
>> But we're not on Zoom again, right? Are
we on Zoom?
>> No, I won't do anything. I'm just I'm
just getting ready. That's all.
>> You're on.
>> Sandra Arts Live.
» Yes. Of course. You want me to take a
>> council doesn't mind? I'm just going to
take a threem minute recess.
>> Give her credit for that.
Yeah.
we can't complain.
Absolutely. You know how tough it is to
sweep in that league. Okay, the town
council is back in session.
Just to give us a quick uh recap, we are
now at ordinance uh 2606
uh A is amended. Uh we have closed the
public hearing on this uh ordinance at
uh 8:36
and now we are uh just discussions from
the council. I do have uh two
corrections we're going to make and I'll
take those in a second. I know uh on
line 101 we're going to fix the word uh
correctly spell it to qualified and
there was one more correction you wanted
to make on 96 madam solic
>> no it was um we're going to make a
slight amendment because
>> oh sorry [laughter]
>> because we want to um ensure that
there's no confusion. So, we're going to
um amend 10 line 101 where it says um it
starts above that the mayor or his
design is authorized. We're going to say
the mayor or his designate upon approval
by the council is authorized to enter
into an agreement. And that way it's
just clear that the council has to
approve any sale of property
>> and that's you said 101. So, it's the
same line is qualified. Yes. So, we're
just change making those t changes on
line 101.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Madam Madam cler, [clears throat]
do you have those changes? Okay. So, um
is there any other um any other
questions?
So, I'm going to take a motion to
approve uh 26
>> motion to amend.
>> Excuse me. Correct. a motion to amend
2606A
by making changes to uh lines 101 that
were uh suggested by councelor uh and
you have those madam clerk right okay so
all in favor to approve those changes
say I I any opposed
>> the ch I'm I'm sorry
>> I made the motion
>> okay good
>> second was councelor Shaw
>> all in favor to amend say I I
>> any opposed? Okay, we are now again
dealing with uh uh 2606A
as amended. Um so with that said, is
there any other comments? I will take a
motion on the amended.
>> The the only comment I'll make is just
to sort of counter councelor Bradley. I don't understand how it would make
sense for the town to own property that
we may not need that maybe we acquired
in some way and then
could benefit from selling and not have
the right to sell it unless we sold it
to an abuter which would automatically
privilege any a butter that already
owned property to continue to get more
property. It doesn't really make any
sense to me. So, I'm hoping the rest of
the council is going to vote to approve
this so that the town has more
flexibility to sell things that it has
that it maybe doesn't need or that it
could benefit by selling since more
money for the town is always good.
>> Thank you, council. And I will counter
that with if you sell a piece of
property and you build a house, you sell
that piece of property for one-time
money. You now bring kids into the
school department. We've never adjusted
our impact fees.
So that just goes right on the homeowner
that that's already here.
>> Well,
>> so yeah, I'm not a fan of that.
>> And anytime we're going to adjust those
upwards, I will vote with you on that.
>> All set. No further discussion. Okay.
So, what I'll do now is I will go to the
I got a motion to approve and it was
seconded. So, I'm going to go to the
roll call. Councelor Bradley.
>> No.
>> Council Mativia. Yes.
Councelor Shaw,
>> yes.
>> Council McIll,
>> yes.
>> Councelor,
>> yes.
>> Councelor Bolio, yes. The chair also
votes yes. The ordinance passes by a
vote of 6 to1 with councelor Bradley in
the negative. Okay, we're moving down to
our next uh ordinance for public
hearing. We're at 26-17A.
We have an ordinance amending the zone
and ordinances of town of Cumberland,
Rhode Island. This was tabled from July
15, 2026
uh at that council meeting. I do need a
motion to accept 26-17A.
>> So move.
>> So moved by councelor Bolio, second by
councel Shaw. All in favor to amend say
I. Any opposed?
>> Hearing none, the ordinance is amended
uh by a vote of 7 to zero. I will open
the public hearing at 8:49 p.m.
Chairwoman Bolio.
>> Thank you, Mr. President. So this
ordinance um amends uh the storm water
management flood hazards, soil erosions
and sediment control and utilities to
comply with [sighs] department of
environmental management requirements.
And I'm reading from the letter on page
five. So the ordinance um improves the
required language uh that wasn't passed
in the April ordinance which council
approved on April 15th. Um and we are
changing the language from storm water
basins to storm water control measures.
Um additionally the planning department
wanted to provide guidance on
implementation and design of buffers
when commercial or industrial zones
about agriculture open space or
residential zones. Um, and the ordinance
was seen by the planning board at their
June 25th meeting, continued to the July
30 meeting where they recommendations
received a 90-0 vote, passing
unanimously. Um, and then the state has
requested that the ordinance be updated
by the end of August. So, uh, this was
heard also this evening in ordinance
subcommittee and it received favorable
passage on a three to zero vote.
Thank you very much, councel. Um,
I'm going to go to the members of the
public. Would anybody in the public like
to speak on this ordinance?
Seeing none, I'm going to move
virtually. Is anybody joining us
virtually who wants to speak on this
ordinance?
Okay, no one's got their hand up, so I
will close the public hearing at 8:50
and leave any comments or motions to the
council. So, just I would commend uh the
director of planning and community
development for the summary because it
was great and made it easy for a complex
ordinance to understand all of the
changes and I would move passage of that
ordinance.
>> I got a motion uh to pass by council
Bolio. Do I have a second? I got a
second by councel Shaw. I'll go to the
role. Uh councelor Bradley.
>> Council Mativia.
>> Yes.
>> Councelor Shaw.
>> Council McGill.
>> Yes. Councelor Swuite.
>> Yes.
>> Councelor Bolio.
>> Yes.
>> The chair also votes yes. This ordinance
passes
>> by a vote of 7 to zero.
>> Moving down on our next item.
We are at
ordinance 26-18.
We have an ordinance amending chapter 38
article 3 entitled parking, stopping and
standing uh of the town of Cumbland's
code of ordinances presented by the
council president on behalf of the
administration.
I'm going to open the public hearing at
8:51.
Turn it over to Chairwoman Bolio.
>> Thank you again, Mr. President. So, this
two was heard um in ordinance
subcommittee meeting this evening. It
too received favorable passage on a
three to zero vote. What this ordinance
does is it amends um uh the ordinance to
add uh Hope Street to the list of
locations for accessible parking
signage. Um I know councelor Mativier
did interact with the police department
to ensure you know this was a right best
fit. Um we asked that a letter be
submitted. Uh I think it typically
accompanies this. Uh, so we'll do that
as as a as a pending action. Um, but
again, it received favorable passage.
>> Thank you, Council Bolio. Before I uh go
to the public, uh, Mr. Mativity, do you
want to speak on this?
>> Um, I did speak with the the chief and
he is having them send over a letter.
>> Thank you.
councel.
>> I will go uh to the members of the
public. Anybody want to speak on this
ordinance? Seeing none, anybody joining
us virtually, I'm going to close the
public hearing
at 8:53. Take any comments or motions
from the council.
>> I make a motion to approve.
>> Counceling the receipt of the letter
from the chief.
>> Councel Bolio makes a motion to approve.
Do I have a second? Second by councelor
Shaw. We'll go to the role. Council
Bradley.
>> Councel Mativia. Councel Shaw. Yes.
Council McIll,
>> yes.
>> Council Sweet,
>> yes.
>> Council Bolio,
>> yes.
>> The chair also votes yes. The ordinance
passes
>> by a vote of seven to zero.
» Okay, we're moving down now. We are at
new business. Uh, first we have a claim
by Mr. Mark Costello. We are referring
that to the finance subcommittee. I also
have a claim from Jason Barry. We refer
to the finance subcommittee as well.
No, Jahan Miman. I'm going to refer that
to the finance committee as well. That's
our third uh third claim. Next on our
agenda is appointments. The first
appointment we have is a deputy parks
and recreation director, Miss Susan
Clark. Uh mayor, did you want to uh
comment on this appointment?
>> Yes. Thank you, Mr. President, members
of the council. So, Miss Clark has been
uh in an acting capacity for a little
while uh and has been doing an
outstanding job uh and is replacing uh
the previous deputy parks and director
up at the lodge McKenzie. So, we'd ask
you for favorable passage. Thank you.
Mayor. Does anyone have any
comments on this before I ask for the
cool?
>> Yes.
>> Oh, okay.
Why don't you put her on?
>> Thank you, Susan. Welcome and thank you
for the job you did filling in when we
needed you.
>> Oh, thank thank you very much.
>> Does anybody We won't keep you, I'm
sure. Does anyone have any questions for
the applicant?
>> Miss Clark, we have no questions for the
applicant. Your work spoke for itself.
So, I'm going to take a motion to
approve this uh appointment.
>> So, move.
>> So, moved by councelor Suite. was second
by councelor Shaw. All in favor to
approve say I. Any opposed? The
appointment passes by a vote of seven to
zero. Thank you for joining us, Miss
Clark.
>> Next item on our agenda, we're moving
down to our senior center assistant. Uh
we have Miss Tracy Goyette. Mayor M.
>> Thank you, Mr. President, members of
council. I don't know if Tracy is on the
call or not, and I must admit I was not
part of the uh of the interview process
here, but she uh received uh the uh the necessary approvals from uh Mr.
Cwley and and uh chief of staff, and we
would ask you to favorably act upon the
appointment of Tracy Goyette.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Uh I'm sorry, madam
clerk, you said she was online or no?
Okay, no problem. Um okay, thank you so
much. If there's no further question or
discussion on this appointment, I'll
take a motion to approve. Miss Goyette.
>> Motion by councelor Shaw, second by
councel McIll. All in favor to approve,
say I. Any opposed? Uh the uh
appointment passes by a vote of seven to
zero. Moving down, we have an
appointment uh for accounts payable. We
have Kathy Bido. Uh will uh Mayor, did
you want to handle this one as well?
>> Miss Bido is actually in attendance. uh
oh
>> this evening. So
>> haven't had the pleasure though.
Welcome.
>> Um
>> yes, this position uh if you're if the
council remembers was uh was held
previously by our uh new deputy finance
director and uh so Miss Bol, we're very
uh pleased to have her on staff and
would be uh asking for your approval
tonight. Thank you.
>> Thank you, mayor, and congratulations
and thank you. Uh does anyone have any
questions for the applicant?
Hearing none. I'll take a motion to
approve the appointment.
>> So move.
>> So moved by councelor Bolio, second by
councel McIll. All in favor to approve,
say I. I.
>> Any opposed? The appointment,
congratulations, passes by a vote of 7
to zero. We're moving down our agenda
now. We are now at resolutions. We're at
resolution 26-35.
We have a resolution authorizing
empowering Mayor Jeffrey D. M to
purchase one 2025 Chevy Silverado,
$1,500 crew cab from Liberty Chevrolet
and a total not to exceed $49,299.
Chief Desert,
>> good evening. Um, so the previous
resolution back in June, um,
the Ford F-150 that was listed on that
resolution, um, was no longer available.
um we were unable to um find any Ford
F-150 that met that from any vendor um
in the New England region. So, uh we
would have had to order one, but the
time constraints on the lease are
required that we had to use that money,
those funds by the end of uh September,
I believe, or early September. Um so,
we're able to locate this 2025 uh Chevy
Silverado uh 1500, which um is is uh
certainly will satisfy our needs. Um, as
far as um, trailering and moving the
special operations trailer.
>> Any questions on this, Chief? I'll just
have one before I go on and look.
>> Sure.
>> Um, how many miles
>> on the new vehicle? It's brand new.
>> 2025.
>> Yeah, it is. It is brand new. Yes.
>> Okay.
>> Yes.
>> Oh, so
>> I asked the same question. Yes, it is
brand new.
» Any questions of the chief on this
purchase?
Okay.
>> Thank you, Chief.
>> The next one's mine, too. So, so
>> you want to stay right up here then?
>> Motion to approve.
>> Second. Do I have a second? Sec. So, I
got a motion to approve. Uh second by
Council Shaw. All in favor to approve
resolution 2635 say I.
>> Any opposed? The uh
>> resolution passes by a vote of 7 to
zero. Moving down with resolution 2636.
We have a resolution authorizing power
empowering mayor Jeffrey J. Mutter to
enter an agreement with Strobes and More
for the purchase and installation of the
emergency warning equipment, vehicle
console,
accessories, and related uplifting for
the for a 2025
uh Chevy El Dorado
Silverado 1500 and the amount not to
exceed $18,919.98.
Chief Desert.
>> So, this uh this will allow for the uh
upfitting of the the the deputy's
vehicle, uh lights, siren, center
console, um mounting equipment, um etc.
» Also, uh in installation of a radio and
antennas, etc. Thank you. Any questions
of the chief on this purchase?
Hearing none or no discussion, I'll take
a motion to approve. So moved by
councelu, second by councelor Shaw. All
in favor of approve say I. Any opposed
purchase is approved by a vote of 7 to
zero.
>> Thank you.
chief.
>> Thank you.
>> Next item we're moving down to
resolution
uh 2637. We have a resolution
authorizing powering Mayor Jeffrey J.
Mutter to engage in uh Me O'Brien Sons,
Inc. for the purchase and installation
of equipment at Valley Falls Heritage
Park in the amount not to exceed
86,778.50.
Mayor M. Oh, I'm excuse me, Miss King.
All right. So, good evening counselors.
Thank you as always for your time
tonight. Um, it was almost two years ago
exactly to the day that I stood in front
of you on August 21st to ask for uh the
approval for the EW Burman contract to
begin construction at the Amoral
building. Um, which is interesting
considering now I stand before you
asking for approval for this next phase
of the project. As you all know, the
Amoral building construction is
complete. The building is open. It's
been really successful and and nice to
see all the programming that people of
all ages have been able to enjoy in
there. Um, but as you may recall, and I
do have a few brief slides, we had two
kind of funding buckets that I would
describe for this project. The first was
the million dollars we had received from
the community development block grant
and that million dollars was solely for
the Amaral building that saw us from
design through construction of the
building. Then there was a second grant
which was through the state and is a
multi-purpose community learning center
grant that was $3.1 million. Now, that
grant allowed us to complete the Amaral
building, but the additional funds were
to be used at Valley Falls Heritage Park
with the idea being that they're so
close together that it would be a great
way to invest in the space to try to
connect those two spaces together. Um,
so we are able to use the grant funds
for the park so long as they directly
and jointly enable education, health,
and job training.
Um, so that kind of brings us to where
we're at right now. When we received
those funds, again, as you may recall,
we did a lot of community engagement
around what people wanted to see at the
park. And I appreciate everyone's
support during that process, whether it
was coming to the community dinner or
the design workshops. All of those
things led us to creating a master plan
for Valley Falls Heritage Park, which
was always intended to be a long-term
plan with several phases. The first
phase being funded by this grant to
build an outdoor classroom
um and some connectivity from the
Emerald Building to the park. Um, so
there were kind of a lot of
conversations as you can see from this
graphic that was made during our
community engagement about what people
wanted to see, what was allowed to
happen at the park with our covenant
from DEM, which is really about passive
um, recreation, but a lot of the common
themes were education, gathering spaces,
places for field trips with the tourism
council right there through the
Blackstone River waterhed. Um, so that
really is why we focused on getting an
outdoor classroom space. And as you can
see, this picture kind of shows you the
area of the park where the classroom is
going to be placed. It's going to be
placed on the main island portion of the
park. If you're familiar with Heritage
Park, there had been some discussion
about um doing kind of amphitheater
style in the grading. That was not
feasible. Um, and quite frankly, it
makes the most sense to do it on the
flattest portion where people can gather
and see the water, be close to the
water. So, that's why we focused on that
main island space. So, the proposal that
you see before you from Emmy O'Brien and
Sons will replace the existing
uh picnic tables that you see in this
photograph. will um put a new trash
recepticle and then in the open space
that you see on the island. There will
be a large shade structure. Um there
will be amphitheater style benches
placed underneath that shade structure
and a stage will actually be built and
installed under the shade structure as
well. The installer will do grading in
that area. They will actually be moving
be removing the gr the grass in the
square portion where the shade structure
is to allow for easier maintenance and
we'll be putting in a compacted granite
um so that stone so that we're able to
maintain that space and maintain ADA
accessibility there. Um, this is this
doesn't show the stage, but this shows
you the type of shade structure that
we're going to be installing the
benches, the new picnic tables, and the
trash can. And Emmy O'Brien and Sons was
eager to help us with this project, and
we we had a timeline that they were able
to meet, and they are part of a
cooperative purchasing agreement, which
allowed us to engage with them directly.
The name may sound familiar to you.
We've worked with them several times
before, whether on the monastery
playground, and the school department
has used them for all of the new
elementary school playgrounds, which
have been very successful. So, we're
just looking to kind of really kick off
this next portion of the project and tie
together two really special places in
Valley Falls. So, with all that being
said, I respectfully ask for passage and
I welcome any questions that anyone may
have.
>> Thank you, uh, Mr. King. I I do have a
question if no one else is where's the
timeline for completion on this?
>> So everything soup to nuts will be
installed by the end of October.
>> Okay. Do Yeah. No. Yeah. I'll be one
quick
I'll pass this maybe even on to the
mayor. We build it. It's there. Do we
have or will we'll have a program to
maintain it? I mean, is this something
the classroom space by a whim that the
BF Norton can walk over to or are they
going to be able to call and
um
secure
it and it's clean?
>> Yeah. I mean, they it's a public park.
They wouldn't need to call us to secure
it. I know they do a walking field trip
usually to the park every year anyway.
They usually stop at town hall and have
lunch at the park. Um, we are we
specifically designed materials that
were or picked materials that were going
to be very easy to maintain. That's also
why we're taking out that grass area.
Okay.
>> Um, everything will be installed into
the ground. It's not movable. Um, the
shade structure she has in very large
parks and in cities that haven't been
damaged and things like that. So, will
we have to maintain it? Yes. Is it
something that's specifically designed
to be very easy to maintain? Also, yes.
The stage is going to be like that fake
wood. I can't think of the name. And
there's going to be an anti-slip
material put on it. So, it should be
easy to clean.
>> I just want to know, you know, if
they're going to walk down there, as we
say spontaneously, we're going to hold
the class there. When they get there,
are they going to be surprised that they
can't use it after they move that group
of kids a few blocks down? That's that's
all.
>> Yeah. I mean I we will make every effort
to maintain it as fast as humanly
possible.
>> Mr. Mativia,
>> thank you. The um the entrance that was
originally designed to connect it, is
that not happening at all or just
postponed or
>> So um that is part of a a different
grant that's a streetscape specific
grant. Um the primary focus of that
grant um which we're in the works of of
getting underway is um a crosswalk that
we've gone back and forth with public
safety a little bit on exactly where
that crosswalk should be um and whether
we can elevate it or not um in terms of
snow plowing.
fixing the sidewalks and then having uh
doing some tree plantings, clearing the
overgrown brush and creating a more
visible entryway from that portion of
Mil Street.
>> So, there will be an entrance there.
Okay. And any of the other um So, that
is I thought it was off the table. So,
it's it's still
>> the entry from Mil Street will still be
happening. And our goal is I mean,
ideally, I'd love to see the entire park
redone. Um, we're actively applying for
grants for other phases, but we're
trying to take it in manageable pieces
at a time.
>> So th those two phases are the ones that
are going to go forward.
>> Those are the ones that we have secured
funding for and we'll be executing.
>> Thank you.
councel. Any other questions,
Miss King?
>> May I? Just a comment.
>> Council,
>> just excited to see this coming together
and that there's more outdoor spaces to
welcome the public to. I know how big
the attendance now is at the Diamond
Hill Park and the monastery is always
full of people enjoying the outdoors.
So, really happy to see this. Thank you.
>> Yes, us too. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Anyone else? Thank you, uh, Miss King.
» Okay, with that said, if there's no
further comment, I'll take a motion to
approve resolution 2637.
>> So, moved by councel Mativia. It was
second by councelio.
>> Yes. And uh I will take for all excuse
me all in favor say I.
>> I.
>> Any opposed?
>> The resolution passes by a vote of seven
to zero.
>> Thank you counselors.
>> Thank you. Nice uh nice job sir. Um
we're moving down now to item D. We're
ordinance for presentation and
permission to advertise. First one we
have 20 ordinance 2619. We have an
ordinance authorizing temporary parking
on Tower Hill Road on September 7th on
westbound from 100 ft before pole 60 and
continuing to poll 61 presented by
council president Kinch. Uh it's
referred to the uh ordinance
subcommittee.
Uh next um we have ordinance 2620. We
have an ordinance amendment amendment of
the code of ordinances amending the
zoning map thereof with reference to
Cumberland Assesses Plat 058 lots 81 82
and 83. We're going to refer this to the
ordinance subcommittee. Um we are now at
ordinance 26-21. We have an ordinance
authorizing the placement of a stop sign
the intersection of Rapid Hill
Rabbit Hill Road and uh England Street
presented by councelor Bolio. We're
going to refer this to the ordinate
subcommittee. Um, ordinance 26-22, we
have an ordinance amending the zoning
ordinance related to data centers
presented by counceloruite, also
referred to the ordinance subcommittee.
Uh, next we have ordinance 26-23. We
have an ordinance amending the zoning
ordinance of the town of Cumberland,
Rhode Island, presented by the council
president on behalf of the
administration. Moving down, we are a
seven. Uh, we have ordinance 26-24. We
have an orders establishing a no parking
zone on Thompson Hill uh Drive, Thomas
Drive, and Westbrook drives presented by
councelor Suite. I'm going to refer that
as well to the ordinance subcommittee.
No discussion. I'm going to move on. The
next item is our public comment section.
If anybody would like to address the
council, please step to the podium,
state your name and address for the
record.
Yeah, we'll see how far.
>> All right, let me just get my clock out
here.
>> Good evening, council members. I'm Janet
Preventure. I live at 3383 Mendon Road
in Cumberland.
I've written something. It's a little
later than I anticipated it to be, so
I'm going to shorten it up a little bit.
Um, [clears throat]
I wanted to talk with you tonight about
flock cameras and flock safety.
uh and the cancellation of our town's
contract with flock safety as well as
the removal of their ALPR cameras. Um I
reached out to the council via email
with several articles as well as some
letters from the ACLU of Rhode Island
and requested this topic be added to
this meeting's agenda. Coincidentally,
just before I sent my email, the ACLU
sent you an email of their own with the
same request. um as a woman of from East
Providence has now filed a federal
lawsuit against the town for the use of
their flock cameras to uh allegedly
misidentify her and lead to her wrongful arrest. So uh I was let I was
informed I could speak in the public
comment section. I pushed back because I
feel like this is a very important
issue. Um, and I was then con contacted
by council president Kinch uh that I was
welcome to speak during the comment that
we will have a complete review as soon
as we discuss the town solicitor due to
the pending lawsuit. Very much heard.
Um, so as we await the complete review,
I'd like to speak briefly about the
dangers of flock safety, what they do
with our information, and what anyone
can do with our information and the urge
the council to do the right thing for
our town and for our neighbors.
Uh, for those who don't know, the
acronym ALPR stands for automated
license plate reader, which is the
designation Flock has given their
cameras installed all around the
country. However, these cameras capture
a whole lot more than just your license
plate. These cameras capture your car,
your roof and back racks, bumper
stickers, and even you. At any point, an
investigator can go into a search system
cameras use and look up your vehicle.
They'll then be granted access to every
photo taken of your car by flot camera
in the past 30 days
by cameras in their jurisdiction. This
means they can piece together your daily
routine. They can see when you pick up
your prescriptions at CVS, when you drop
your kids off at their high school, when
you fill your gas tank at Cumberland
Farms. Did I mention that the cameras I
just listed are all currently active on
Mendon Road in these exact locations?
You might think, "Oh, well, if an
investigator is the only person who can
see what I've been up to, that must not
be too bad. not too unsafe. Though you
may be told that your daily routine is
not only Though you may be told that
your daily routine is only to be viewed
by officers of the law for 30 days after
the photos were taken, they are far from
the only people who can see it and for
only a fraction of the time that Flock
Safety has granted themselves. Their
updated contracts now grant them the
exclusive right to determine and control
the method, timing, format, and medium
of access to your data and grant the
company a perpetual right to it. In
other words, to do with whatever they
want forever.
That information is terrifying in the
hands of anyone, let alone an
investigator who may simply be curious
about you. Curiosity, it turns out, is
all they need as reason to find you in
the system. For many search sessions of
Flock Database, the reason for search
was simply listed as investigation with
no further explanation as to why they
needed to find someone. Days ago, a
Massachusetts police officer was accused
of using a flot camera to stalk her
ex-girlfriend, but inputting her license
plate into the system and tracking her
whereabouts. That is unfortunately far
from the first time and will most likely
not be the last time an officer
willfully abuse the system to stop an
innocent person. These cameras are also
incredibly easy for an outside party to
access and with the right skill set in
network administration and cyber
security can be routed directly to an
individual's system at home.
There are almost no safeguards stopping
someone from watching your neighbors,
your kids, or you from the comfort of
their own home. If you're finding this
overwhelming and hard to believe, don't
worry. So do I. The research deep dive
I've done into flock safety and their
cameras goes much further than what I've
mentioned here. And I brought with me
some printouts of my sources that I have
also emailed to the council. Um, so you
can do the research for yourself.
Uh, if the council is to work in our
town's best interest, oops, I skipped a
line here.
Next year, we are set to renew our
contract with Flock Safety, which means
our contract is almost up. So, there is
still hope. If the council is to work in
our town's best interest, by this time
next year, we could be free of flock
cameras, which, did I forget to mention
continue to record after contract
cancellation unless physically removed.
I digress. I'm here to warn my neighbors
and the council who represent us of the
immeasurable danger of flock safety's
ALPRs and of their chance to ri
Cumberland of such a threat. I do hope
after hearing me today looking in the
eyes of a rightfully frightened citizen
of Cumberland that you will do the right
thing when it comes to the time and
remove block surveillance from our
streets. Thank you.
>> And thank you very much.
>> Anyone else? Clap if you'd like. That's
okay. [laughter]
>> That's not a problem.
We do I I did let uh Janet go a little
bit longer. We try to keep it around
three, but uh you know, we're going to
be a little lenient. and I know this
means a lot to a lot of people.
>> Thanks. Uh my name is Jonah Filibar,
also a resident of 3383 Mendon Road in
Cumberland. Um I wanted to speak just a
little bit more on the technical side of
block safety cameras. Uh I am a
development and operational engineer at
a medtech company. So part of my work
involves vetting software and hardware
components that are used in medical
equipment. um just to lend some
credibility to the things that I was
going to say. Um one of the big tools
that I use in determining the safety of
uh software hardware component is
whether or not it has an entry into the
national security vulnerability
database, which is an open-source um
database filled with uh discovered uh
vulnerabilities in software and
hardware. Um,
for context, if I find even one
pertinent entry into the database that
relates to the device, that is
absolutely off the table. We can't have
that sort of risk in a medical device.
Uh, the last time that I checked, Flock
Camera has 57 entries and 33 confirmed
vulnerabilities.
I have never seen that many
vulnerabilities for a device.
Um I was hoping to explain one of them
in a little more detail uh using words
that might be in terms that people can
understand just so you can see how wide
open they are. Um
this particular exploitation takes
advantage of what is called diagnostic
mode on the camera. Diagnostic mode can
be entered by repeatedly pressing the
power button on the back of the camera.
I want to say ahead of time these things
were all discovered using the right to
repair. Um, I'm not divulging
flock secrets here. Um, they've pretty
much divulged them themselves. You can
press the button repeatedly or if the
camera receives any damage, it will it
will enter diagnostic mode as well. So,
you can remove the cell card. The camera
remain entirely functional, but it will
enter diagnostic mode. From there, the
camera will start broadcasting a Wi-Fi
hotspot. This is intended for
technicians to access the camera's
features. Um, among the features
available from the hotspot are the
domain name server on port 53, which is,
if you're not familiar, kind of like a
road map of the internet. It's how the
device understands where to reach
things, meaning a slight edit to that,
and you can be sending your traffic to
wherever you like instead of the Flux
home servers. It includes the HTTP
server on port 8080, which is a
transport protocol so vulnerable that if
you've attempted to click a HTTP link on
your computer before, your browser will
warn you, don't click this, your data is
vulnerable. You are probably about to
get robbed. If all of that is too
complicated, and it really isn't, these
are sort of entry- level concepts in
network administration. They also just
explo expose the camera feed directly on
port 1 2 3 4. The hotspot is password
protected, but Flock has hardcoded the
exact same password onto every device in
plain text. So, it's no small wonder
that it is common knowledge that the
password on Flock cameras is with a near
lethal dose of irony security.
No capitals, no symbols, the same for
every camera.
These cameras are the sloppiest piece of
hardware I've ever had the misfortune of
looking into. And I can say with
absolute certainty that they have not
passed any sort of third party security
audit.
These devices are used by law
enforcement, a field where a mistake can
destroy a life or cost the town a
lawsuit as you know. And I hope that you
will remove them at the soonest
possibility and put some serious
scrutiny into how it came to be. these
cameras were installed in the first
place.
>> Thank you.
very much.
>> Anyone else?
» Welcome, sir. Just again, state your
name and address for the record.
>> Only gave myself two minutes, so
» Hi. Uh my name is Robert Potter. Uh
resident of 51 Front Street, apartment
335. Um, I'm addressing the council as a
member of Rhode Island Rhode Islanders
for personal privacy as well as a me uh
Cumberland resident. Um, speaking in
support of ordinance number 26-22.
Um, and I want to thank councelor uh for
proactively addressing this issue and
bringing it to the forefront regarding
data centers in uh potential um zoning
for data centers in Cumberland. From the
perspective of a RIP member, uh we do
oppose data centers across the state. Um
well, you might ask yourself, how does
personal privacy and data centers kind
of mix? Uh it's less on the direct
impacts of data centers in terms of
their physical presence, more in the how
the impact of how data centers are used,
particularly in terms of uh artificial
intelligence and AI models.
um just in terms of like how data is
collected to build those AI models and
to train those AI AI models just
constantly hoovering up uh personal
information through people's uh internet
usage as well as just how some end users
are using those AI models um in terms of
business use from a the perspective of a
Cumberland resident um I oppose it
personally just in terms of the direct
impacts they have on communities not
only in the direct energy um increased
energy costs for user uh other residents
in the town but also in the long-term
impact for maintenance costs for upsized
utilities that are required to m uh to
meet the demands of these uh AI data uh
data centers.
Additionally, there's potential
increased water usage for some of these,
but there are al also uh different
design models that use air cooled um
technology rather than water cooled.
That said, those air cooled models do
tend to have um other impacts,
especially some AI or data centers that
use turbine generators which uh present
uh concerns related to air quality for
uh surrounding residents as well as
health effects due to uh increased noise
um both in the um long-term and
short-term health effects on that. So,
in that case, we do oppose them from
that perspective as well. Thank you.
for coming down, sir.
Anyone else can address the town council
on any topic if they wish.
Welcome.
Good evening. Thank you for your time.
My name is John Downey. I'm from 61
Pinehurst Avenue, Providence, Rhode
Island. I'm here tonight on behalf of
both Rhode Islanders for personal
privacy and climate action Rhode Island.
And first and foremost, I would like to
also indicate my support for uh
ordinance 2622 as well. I think it's uh
incredibly insightful. Um as was stated
just before, uh the environmental
impacts are
never overstated. um the water usage,
the pollutants that are emitted during
construction and after construction. Um
the noise has been consistently
complained about by just about every
community that's had one built. And
um the use of turbines has also been
proven to pollute as well in the
instances that those are used. Uh as for
the flock cameras, um I agree with
everything that's been said already. Uh
I'm from Providence which is a city that
has many flock cameras as it is. Um I
can safely say that uh very few people
feel safer for having them there. A lot
of people feel more paranoid. Morale is
lower. Uh recently it was discovered
that um similarly to what has been
stated before, uh these cameras can lock
onto the Bluetooth signatures put out by
people's phones. Uh despite the
company's insistence that that's not the
case. Um, many police officers,
including a police officer from Pucket,
uh, have come forward and expressed
their concerns involving the security of
these cameras. And for those reasons,
um, I am against them being really
anywhere. So, thank you for your time.
Have a good night.
>> Thank you very much for your comments,
>> sir. Welcome.
>> Thank you, Mr. President.
>> It's my my pleasure.
My name is Randall Rose. Um,
unfortunately I am also from Providence.
Um, 20 Lewis Street in Providence. Um,
but um, and also a member of Rhode
Islanders for personal privacy like some
of the Cumberland residents and
non-residents who have spoken. Um, I
>> I would came here mainly um to support
the data center ordinance by
Councilwoman Suite um, 2622. Um, but I
feel that as a non-resident for C of
Cumberland, I really should, um, leave
it to Cumberland residents to decide on
this. Um, I think it's great that, um,
PE residents are speaking up more and
more in their communities and wanting to
have a voice. Um, because, you know, um,
a lot of the national leaders or even
some of the state leaders have been
saying, let's just build data centers
all over the place and not really giving
local residents a voice. And I think we
have um more democracy at the local
level. I think it's really important for
local residents to decide do we want to
have these co costs and um repercussions
from data centers. Um town places that
have lots of data centers often find
that the place is physically hotter just
because it's so hard to cool um a place
with a thousand computers in it. And um
each generation of computers takes up
generates more and more heat. has more
and more difficulty cooling. Um, I'm a
former software engineer, so I know
about that. Um, so I I don't want to be
heavy-handed. I um but I'm glad that um
that residents of Cumberland are
starting this discussion and deciding
what kind of policy they they want to
have on data centers because it should
be up to the residents. Um and I think
um and I we are not an anti-tech group
but we believe that the people should
have a voice um on the the main tech
issues of our time which includes um
surveillance cameras, artificial
intelligence and data centers. Those are
the three issues we concentrate on. And
um we um and I didn't have anything
prepared about flock cameras, but
usually when a town's flock camera
contract is up for renewal, I prepare a
legal analysis of the contract. And I
have not specifically looked through
Cumberland's contract yet, but in every
town's contract I've seen, um, just, um,
continuing the point that Robert made
earlier, um, every town's contract I've
seen, um, bans the town from doing its
own independent security audit of flop
cameras. It says you cannot um you
cannot independently um um look into the
um device to see what his security
vulnerabilities are. Um they prohibited
that legally. Um and that's part of how
the flop cameras are so unreliable, so
open to hacking. And of course in modern
warfare, one of the first things that's
targeted in modern warfare is they hack
into these systems. So, um, so it makes
it open to foreign militaries, hackers,
and all sorts of people. Um, but I'm
glad that people are starting this
discussion, and I realize this this is
just about putting the one ordinance out
to advertise, and flock isn't even on
the official agenda yet, but these are
going to be important going forward. So,
thanks for addressing them.
>> Thank you.
Anyone else?
And I will let him I'll just let the
folks that are uh know that we will have
um councelor's ordinance in front of us.
This is as you know this was just to
advertise it. We will have a public
hearing on that and of course uh being a
public meeting you're more than welcome
to attend uh that public hearing. So we
have someone uh can I'll finish. I think
this miss did you want to address the
council please?
Just state your name and address for the
record.
» Hi. So, my name is Natalyia Rosemill.
Um, I'm also with Rhode Islanders for
Personal Privacy and also coincidentally
I'm a community member in Cumberland.
Um, I work at 3383 Mendon Road. Um, hi
guys. Um, I definitely did not intend on
speaking at all, but I just wanted to
publicly support um, everything that was
just said about flock cameras. I was
here um, about Councilwoman Suites
ordinance. I wanted to show up in
support for that. Um, so hopefully I'll
be back when we are having the public
hearing about that. Um but I think my
main point is that just regarding both
of those issues, data centers and block
cameras that is has such a big impact on
the community and community members that
I think it is um just the one of the
most important things is that it is the public and the community is
consulted about these things and that
their voice is considered in the
decision to hopefully you guys will be
considering your decision to renew your contract and
that the public will have a voice in
that. I think since we are so deeply
impacted by
the presence of flock cameras and the
potential presence of a data center in
our community that I think it is just
it's a public issue all around and I
just wanted to state that and state that
I'm I'm glad that it is already being
proposed. So, thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Anyone else?
M madame clerk, someone wants to join us
virtually.
» Hello, town council. Can you hear me?
>> Hello. Can you hear us?
>> Yep. This is Ron Colstrom, 7 Old Forge
Road.
Thank you for joining us, uh, Ron.
>> Yep. No, so one of the things I just to
add on the flot cameras. So, in 2024,
the chief of police came, uh, in front
of the town council and told you guys
that this was going to be a license
plate reader, right? And I think most of
the people that were on the town council
at the time interpreted that as a um,
license plate reader that's just going
to snap photos of your license plate.
And obviously it's had some pretty good
um pretty good track record, right? So
we had a robbery in Attabro and it it
got to uh identify the person that was
coming and and committing the crime and
we found them, right? But there's
obviously a lot of issues that's going
to be that we've we've seen. So, I think
what the town council needs to do, just
in my opinion, is um bring the chief of
police back in, ask them a little bit
more about what the policies and
procedures are. Obviously, it's not just
a license break reader with what we've
been seeing kind of in the news and and
not knowing what you guys are privy to
on the police side of things, but I
think they need to kind of come to you
guys and say, "Hey, listen, this is what
we're using it for. If it's a license
plate reader, that's great. Um, but if
it's looking at people in the cars, if
it's storing data longer than you guys
think, I think there's some questions to
be asked and uh answers that you guys
need to figure out. Thank you.
>> Thank you so much.
Anyone else?
Okay, there's no more public comment and
I want to thank again everybody for
their uh their input. I'm going to go
down to the next item and is our
adjournment. I will take a motion to
adjurnn at 9:34 by councelor Shaw. Do I
have a second? Second by councel McIll.
All in favor to adjourn say I. Any
oppose? We are adjourned at 9:34 p.m.
Thank you and thank you everyone.