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[1:11:21] Thank you. Thank you. The Cumberland
[1:11:24] Town Council is back from the executive
[1:11:26] session. I will take a motion to seal
[1:11:28] the minutes. So moved by Councelor Shaw,
[1:11:31] second by Councel McIll. All in favor of
[1:11:33] seal say I. Any opposed? The minutes are
[1:11:37] sealed by a vote of seven to zero. I
[1:11:39] will take a motion to adjurnn. Motion by
[1:11:41] councelor Shaw is second by councel
[1:11:44] McIll. Uh all in favor to adjurnn at
[1:11:46] 7:49.
[1:11:48] >> All in favor? Any opposed? We are
[1:11:51] adjourned at 7:49. Uh thank you
[1:11:54] councelor
[1:11:55] Chairman Shaw.
[1:12:07] just go off the paper here. All right,
[1:12:09] I'll call the meeting of the uh
[1:12:10] Cumberland Board of License
[1:12:12] Commissioners to order at 7:50 p.m. on
[1:12:16] Wednesday, August 19th. Uh first, we
[1:12:18] have the acceptance of the minutes of
[1:12:20] July 15, 2026.
[1:12:22] >> Motion.
[1:12:23] by Commissioner Kin, second by
[1:12:25] Commissioner McIll. All in favor?
[1:12:27] >> All opposed. Eyes have it. 70. New
[1:12:30] business. We have a temporary outdoor
[1:12:31] serving license, an application from
[1:12:32] Cumberland Athletic Club for their
[1:12:34] annual summer outing located at 30
[1:12:36] Hamilton Street on September 19th from
[1:12:39] noon to 8:00 p.m. with a rain date of
[1:12:41] September 26, 2026. This will be pending
[1:12:45] revised outdoor floor plan uh for the
[1:12:49] fire department and updated insurance
[1:12:50] certificate.
[1:12:52] We'll call the public hearing at 7:51
[1:12:54] p.m. Um, madam clerk, was that what the
[1:12:58] applicant was in today? or they provided
[1:13:00] the updated so we don't need the updated
[1:13:02] floor plan and just for clarification
[1:13:04] because of the uh there was a conflict
[1:13:06] of dates
[1:13:09] >> so it is the 19th right so everything is
[1:13:10] in order for the advertisement at least
[1:13:12] okay fabulous is there someone from the
[1:13:15] AC here
[1:13:17] >> yes
[1:13:18] >> oh okay sir uh if you want to go to the mic speak your name and
[1:13:22] address for the record
[1:13:26] >> you get used to it
[1:13:27] >> but you name.
[1:13:30] >> Uh Tom Ryan, 300 Mar Street in
[1:13:32] Cumberland.
[1:13:35] >> Welcome, Tom. So, uh this is for an
[1:13:39] annual summer outing. Um how did you
[1:13:41] have this last year?
[1:13:43] >> Yes, we did.
[1:13:43] >> Okay. And um uh anything special about
[1:13:46] this?
[1:13:47] >> It was pretty successful last year.
[1:13:48] There were no issues. All we do, we have
[1:13:51] a lawn there. I don't know if you're
[1:13:52] familiar with the property, but we have
[1:13:54] a lawn that we never use. So in the
[1:13:56] summer time just to benefit the members.
[1:13:59] We have a little cookout and we play
[1:14:01] some cornhole. I mean
[1:14:04] it's as innocent as it gets. We have our
[1:14:06] family there, the kids there and
[1:14:07] whatever.
[1:14:08] >> That's it.
[1:14:09] >> And 8 8:00 p.m. is the closing time of
[1:14:12] the outdoor
[1:14:14] >> easy festivities, right?
[1:14:15] >> Yep.
[1:14:16] >> Okay. Very good. Um thank you. Is there
[1:14:20] anyone in the audience that like to
[1:14:21] speak in favor or against?
[1:14:24] Seeing nobody any Oh, Zoom. All right.
[1:14:28] So, we'll close the public hearing at
[1:14:29] 7:52 p.m. Thank you're all set, sir.
[1:14:32] >> Thank you.
[1:14:32] >> I know you don't like to be up there, so
[1:14:35] >> um [laughter]
[1:14:37] uh any motions or discussions?
[1:14:40] >> I'll make a motion to approve the
[1:14:42] license.
[1:14:42] >> We got a motion by Commissioner Kinch,
[1:14:44] second by Commissioner McIll. All in
[1:14:46] favor?
[1:14:47] >> All opposed? The eyes have it. 70.
[1:14:50] Hope you have some fun. Next, we have a
[1:14:54] we're going to um yeah, we'll just do
[1:14:56] this one. The class BV license for
[1:14:57] permission uh for presentation perition
[1:14:59] advertised. We have a transfer uh
[1:15:01] application for a class BV license from
[1:15:03] Joseé Almeida DBA Park Pub to Mar and
[1:15:07] Mora located at 17 Mil Street. Again,
[1:15:09] that was for advertisement.
[1:15:12] Next, we have a class F1ed one-day full
[1:15:14] liquor license. an application for a
[1:15:16] class F1 1ed one-day full liquor license
[1:15:19] from Blackstone River Glass LLC for
[1:15:23] Island Night at BRGC event on September
[1:15:27] 11th, 2026 from 6:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m.
[1:15:31] located at 30 Meeting Street. This will
[1:15:35] be uh pending a promoter's permit. If
[1:15:37] approved, we'll open the public hearing
[1:15:39] at 7:54 p.m. I I take it you like being
[1:15:43] up there because you ran right up there.
[1:15:45] >> I had to take a whole course on this year [laughter] as you just you
[1:15:49] just ignore it.
[1:15:50] >> Okay. If you would be so kind to
[1:15:52] introduce yourself.
[1:15:53] >> Uh Rebecca Sukov, owner of Blackstone
[1:15:55] River Glass uh center down on the river
[1:15:58] at Cadillac Mills uh across from
[1:16:00] Cumberland Hall.
[1:16:01] >> Very good. and the event that you're
[1:16:03] doing this uh
[1:16:05] >> we're hoping to start uh one of we're
[1:16:08] hoping it'll be an annual thing just
[1:16:09] like a nice cultural event to bring
[1:16:11] people in. Um we're having like a small
[1:16:16] concert and a food truck with a Jamaican
[1:16:18] theme to it. And we're also doing glass
[1:16:21] activities that go with sort of an
[1:16:24] island theme to it. uh making fish,
[1:16:27] doing mosaics, um flame working a palm
[1:16:31] tree that people are going to get to
[1:16:33] make coconuts and stick on the palm
[1:16:35] tree. And so anyway, that's we try and
[1:16:37] tie everything in together with a theme
[1:16:40] and it'll be out on the river.
[1:16:42] >> Is this the first time you're having
[1:16:44] this type of event or did you have this?
[1:16:45] >> No, we had a we had an amazing
[1:16:47] fundraiser just a few months ago. Um
[1:16:50] that's what I'm thinking.
[1:16:51] >> Absolutely incredible.
[1:16:52] >> Yeah, I knew you had another event. I
[1:16:53] wasn't too sure if it was last year
[1:16:55] >> or just recent. Okay.
[1:16:57] >> Yeah, that that was early June.
[1:16:59] >> Very good. Um, anyone in the audience
[1:17:02] would like to speak in favor or against?
[1:17:06] >> Anyone from Zoom?
[1:17:08] >> No. All right. Then we'll close the
[1:17:10] public hearing at 7:55 p.m. Any motions
[1:17:13] or discussions from the commission?
[1:17:16] >> Question from Commission.
[1:17:17] >> You say this is going to be outside.
[1:17:19] >> Is this out outside? It's so we're at
[1:17:22] the end of the Do you know where
[1:17:24] Cadillac Mills is? We're on a dead end
[1:17:26] that ends in the river basically. If you
[1:17:29] know where the um the boat docks are for
[1:17:32] the tourism council, Blackstoneone um
[1:17:34] Valley Tourism Council.
[1:17:36] >> So, yes, it's outdoor. We have zero
[1:17:38] neighbors and we're ending at 10.
[1:17:40] >> The the only reason why I asked I didn't
[1:17:42] see a rain date. Did you
[1:17:44] >> We're going to move it inside because we
[1:17:46] couldn't get everybody the the food and
[1:17:48] the music. We couldn't get everybody
[1:17:49] coordinated. It's not, you know, just do
[1:17:53] a little sundance.
[1:17:54] >> She's trying to help you.
[1:17:54] >> I'd rather not be inside because it's so
[1:17:56] beautiful in the river. You know, we've
[1:17:58] got the sunsets, but that's that's the
[1:17:59] plan.
[1:18:00] >> Okay. Thanks.
[1:18:01] >> Yep.
[1:18:02] >> Anyone else?
[1:18:06] » Motion.
[1:18:08] to approve by Commissioner McIll.
[1:18:10] >> Second.
[1:18:10] by Commissioner Kinch. All in
[1:18:12] favor?
[1:18:13] >> All opposed? The eyes have it. 70.
[1:18:16] Congratulations.
[1:18:17] >> Thank you all.
[1:18:18] >> Thank you. Congratulations.
[1:18:20] >> All right.
[1:18:22] Next, we have public comment. Anyone
[1:18:24] like to speak
[1:18:26] on Zoom?
[1:18:29] Lastly, we have motion for adjournment.
[1:18:31] >> I'll make the motion.
[1:18:32] >> Motion by Commissioner Kin, second by
[1:18:34] Commissioner McIll. Did you have a
[1:18:36] public
[1:18:37] >> on liquor?
[1:18:40] >> No worries. Um, we have a a motion by
[1:18:44] Commissioner McIll, was it? Second by
[1:18:46] Commissioner Kinch. Uh, all in favor?
[1:18:49] >> I.
[1:18:49] >> All opposed. The eyes have it. 70. We
[1:18:52] are adjourned at 7:57 p.m. Thank you.
[1:18:56] >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I first I
[1:18:59] want to welcome everyone to the regular
[1:19:01] schedule meeting of the Cumberland Town
[1:19:03] Council, and I do apologize for us being
[1:19:05] a little ttty in the executive session.
[1:19:08] Uh, I'm going to call this meeting uh
[1:19:10] together at 7:57 p.m. And for the
[1:19:14] record, all council members are indeed
[1:19:16] present.
[1:19:18] If everybody would join me for the
[1:19:20] pledge of allegiance.
[1:19:22] >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[1:19:25] United States of America and to the
[1:19:27] republic for which it stands. One nation
[1:19:30] under God, indivisible, liberty and
[1:19:32] justice for all.
[1:19:35] >> Thank you.
[1:19:37] Next item as we moved down our agenda
[1:19:39] with three general announcements.
[1:19:41] Council, does anyone have any general
[1:19:42] announcements they'd like to share?
[1:19:47] Seeing none, we're going to move on. The
[1:19:49] next item is our consent agenda. If uh
[1:19:52] does any council members have any issue
[1:19:54] or would like to uh pull out any item
[1:19:57] from the consent agenda?
[1:20:00] Seeing none, I'll take a motion to
[1:20:02] approve the consent agenda. So moved by
[1:20:04] councelor Jaw Shaw, second by councel
[1:20:07] McIll. All in favor to approve say I.
[1:20:10] >> Any opposed? The consent agenda passes
[1:20:12] by a vote of seven to zero. Next item is
[1:20:16] our first public comment of the evening.
[1:20:18] If anybody would like to address the
[1:20:20] council on any topic, just please step
[1:20:22] to the microphone and state your name
[1:20:24] and address for the uh record. Sir, did
[1:20:27] you want to uh
[1:20:31] you Yeah, you can speak the last anytime
[1:20:34] you want. Does anybody want to address
[1:20:36] the council
[1:20:39] on the first public comment? We got one
[1:20:40] more shot at, so don't you worry.
[1:20:44] Okay, we're going to move now. Next item
[1:20:46] down is uh reports and communications.
[1:20:48] We have reports out of executive session
[1:20:50] as may be necessary. The council took no
[1:20:53] votes in executive session. And next
[1:20:55] item, we have item B under that uh uh
[1:21:00] line item six is our update from our
[1:21:02] school committee. Chairwoman Vogle.
[1:21:03] Thank you.
[1:21:07] » Good evening. Amy Vogle, 10 Wam Trail
[1:21:10] Cumberland. Um, well, it's the start of
[1:21:12] a new school year already. I cannot
[1:21:14] believe it for the 26 27 class. And on
[1:21:18] August 26, grades one through nine
[1:21:21] return. And on August 27th 7th, all
[1:21:23] grades return. So, normally we started
[1:21:26] after Labor Day, but Labor Day being so
[1:21:28] late, we're starting before. Um, the
[1:21:31] next thing is enrollment com enrollment
[1:21:33] this year is 5,171
[1:21:35] students. We are up 88 students from the
[1:21:38] same time last year. So we continue to
[1:21:40] grow here in Cumberland. And finally, BF
[1:21:42] Norton is construction is on time on
[1:21:44] budget. So those are two wonderful
[1:21:46] things to say. And I was assured at the
[1:21:49] last meeting that it would be completely
[1:21:50] on time. So any questions?
[1:21:55] >> Any comments or or questions for the
[1:21:57] chair?
[1:21:59] >> Just one council.
[1:22:01] >> No. Do you know when the bus schedule
[1:22:03] will be published? Because I know that's
[1:22:05] often inquired. And are there any
[1:22:07] impacts this year to transportation that
[1:22:10] you're
[1:22:10] >> this year? There's no impacts to
[1:22:12] transportation. We are starting a trial
[1:22:14] for optin, but they don't need to opt
[1:22:16] in. They can start opting in, but it
[1:22:18] does not impact bus riders this year.
[1:22:20] For the 2728 year, the opt-in model will
[1:22:23] be used in order to decide how many um
[1:22:26] riders will be on each bus to figure out
[1:22:27] the capacity of how many buses we
[1:22:29] actually need. So, we're not
[1:22:30] overspending money on busing. I I
[1:22:33] thought the bus schedule was going to be
[1:22:34] out today, but it might be tomorrow. I
[1:22:35] think it might be actually in the Valley
[1:22:36] Breeze tomorrow, but I could be
[1:22:37] completely making that up. That's my
[1:22:39] thought. So,
[1:22:41] >> thank you. Anything else?
[1:22:45] >> Again, thank you, Madam Chair.
[1:22:46] >> Thank you. I appreciate it.
[1:22:49] >> Okay, we're moving down under our
[1:22:51] reports and communications uh section.
[1:22:53] We are now at monthly and quarterly
[1:22:54] financial reports ending July 2026. Does
[1:22:58] anyone have any questions of the mayor
[1:23:00] on the financials?
[1:23:04] Seeing none, I'm going to move down. We
[1:23:06] now have the check register for July
[1:23:07] 2026. Any questions of the mayor on
[1:23:11] check register? We are now down on item
[1:23:13] E. We have a request from the tax
[1:23:15] assessor to review and approve July 2026
[1:23:18] abatements and supplemental bills. We do
[1:23:20] have a total for 2020 2026 real estate
[1:23:24] supplementals for approval in the amount
[1:23:26] of $8,827.39.
[1:23:30] There's no questions. I will take a
[1:23:32] motion to approve. So, so moved by
[1:23:34] councelor Shaw, second by councel McIll.
[1:23:36] All in favor to approve say I. Any
[1:23:39] opposed? The supplementals are approved
[1:23:41] by a vote of seven to zero. Moving down,
[1:23:45] we are now at
[1:23:50] department reports. We have animal
[1:23:51] control, building committee, building
[1:23:53] official, EMS, library, parks and
[1:23:56] recreation, planning and community
[1:23:57] development report, uh, police
[1:23:59] department, senior services, and the
[1:24:02] town clerk's office. Does any council
[1:24:04] members have any question on those
[1:24:06] reports?
[1:24:09] Hearing none, I'm moving on now. We're
[1:24:11] going to be at number seven, licenses.
[1:24:13] We're at entertainment license. We have
[1:24:14] an application for a special event
[1:24:17] entertainment license from Blackstone uh
[1:24:20] River Glass LLC for the Island Night at
[1:24:23] BRGC event on September 11, 2026 from
[1:24:27] 6:00 to 10 located at 30 Meeting Street.
[1:24:31] We do approve council is pending a
[1:24:33] promoter's permit. Uh does anyone have
[1:24:36] any discussion on this license or
[1:24:38] comments?
[1:24:40] Hearing none, I'll take a motion to
[1:24:41] approve the license. Motion by councelor
[1:24:44] McIll,
[1:24:47] second by councelor Shaw. All in favor
[1:24:49] to approve say I. I.
[1:24:50] >> Any opposed? The license passes by a
[1:24:53] vote of seven to zero. We're moving
[1:24:55] down. We are now at an application for a
[1:24:57] special event entertainment license from
[1:25:00] Adam Farms LLC for the weekends at the
[1:25:03] farm uh for a farm event on Sep
[1:25:05] September 12th and 13th. September 18th
[1:25:08] and 19th and 20. September 25th, 26th,
[1:25:11] 27. October 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. October
[1:25:15] 9th, 10th, and 11th, 12th, 16, 17, and
[1:25:19] 18. October's 23rd, 24th, 25th. October
[1:25:24] 30, 31st, and November 1st of 2026. They
[1:25:28] will be running from 9:00 a.m. to 6:00
[1:25:30] p.m. Located at 158 Burke Swamp. We do
[1:25:34] approve. It's pending the promoter's
[1:25:36] permit. Does anybody have any questions
[1:25:39] on these dates or any other syndrome?
[1:25:42] Hearing none, I'll take a motion to
[1:25:44] approve all dates.
[1:25:45] >> So moved by councel Shaw, second by
[1:25:48] council McGill. All in favor to approve
[1:25:50] say I. Any opposed.
[1:25:52] The uh eyes have it by a vote 7 to zero.
[1:25:56] Okay, we are now moving down to our next
[1:25:58] license. We have an application for a
[1:26:00] special event entertainment license from
[1:26:02] Franklin Farms uh for the Cumberland
[1:26:05] Fire Department Family Family Day, an
[1:26:07] event uh on September 19th, 2026 from
[1:26:10] 10:30 a.m. to 6 p.m. located at 142
[1:26:14] Abbott Run uh Road. If we do uh if we do
[1:26:19] approve, it's pending the promoter's
[1:26:20] permit. Um I see Phantom uh excuse me,
[1:26:24] Franklin Farms is here. Does anyone have
[1:26:26] any questions for Franklin Farms on this
[1:26:28] event?
[1:26:30] >> Just one if I may.
[1:26:31] >> Of course. Council Bol
[1:26:32] >> just curious if there's a rain date
[1:26:37] » or Franklin Farm. That's where we are.
[1:26:39] Yep.
[1:26:39] >> Franklin Farm.
[1:26:40] >> Is there a rain date for the September
[1:26:42] 19th, 2026?
[1:26:47] » Thank you.
[1:26:49] >> If there is no uh further discussion on
[1:26:52] this,
[1:26:52] >> I'll make a motion to approve. I got a
[1:26:54] motion by councelor Bolio and a second
[1:26:56] by councelor McIll. All in favor to
[1:26:59] approve the license say I. Any opposed?
[1:27:02] The license passes by a vote of 7 to
[1:27:05] zero. Next item, we're moving down now
[1:27:08] on licenses number four. We have an
[1:27:10] application for a special event
[1:27:11] entertainment license for Phantom Farm 2
[1:27:15] uh LLC for a fall fest event on
[1:27:18] September 12 and 13, September 19th and
[1:27:22] 20. September 26 and 27, October 3rd and
[1:27:26] 4th, October 10th and 11th, October 17th
[1:27:29] and 18th, October 24 and 25 of 2026 from
[1:27:34] 10 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. Uh, this is located
[1:27:38] at 2920 Diamond Hill Road or I take a
[1:27:42] motion. Does uh any uh council want to
[1:27:44] pull one of these dates to treat it
[1:27:46] separately?
[1:27:48] >> I would. Yes. Thank you. So, um I'm in
[1:27:51] support of all days except for September
[1:27:53] 19th. And the reason for that is I think
[1:27:56] the Franklin Farm event is a full
[1:27:59] volunteer event and it's quite in close
[1:28:01] in its proximity to the Phantom Farms.
[1:28:06] Um I know uh like I said, it's a full
[1:28:08] volunteer event and it does help to
[1:28:11] promote, you know, the culture within
[1:28:13] the farming community in in Cumberland.
[1:28:17] And so I think having uh that date
[1:28:20] distinguished only for Franklin Farm um
[1:28:24] you know again due to the proximity I
[1:28:26] think would make the most sense and as
[1:28:28] it relates to Adam's farm I supported
[1:28:31] all the dates because I think the
[1:28:33] proximity is much further apart from
[1:28:36] [clears throat] um these two uh
[1:28:39] establishments.
[1:28:40] >> Okay. So, uh, what what I will do is
[1:28:42] I'll take a motion to approve those in a
[1:28:44] polling. Well, first I'll take a motion.
[1:28:47] Uh, do we want to uh do we want to
[1:28:49] remove September 19th
[1:28:52] >> 19th September 19th, 2020?
[1:28:56] >> Yeah. No, I'll
[1:29:01] » Sure.
[1:29:04] » Okay.
[1:29:09] » I see. Thank you.
[1:29:11] >> Does that change?
[1:29:12] >> Yes.
[1:29:13] >> Yeah, it would be the 26th. My
[1:29:16] >> No, thank you. I was gonna get there. I
[1:29:17] just didn't know if I had to open a
[1:29:18] public hearing before allowed you to
[1:29:20] speak, but we're good.
[1:29:22] >> On this particular item.
[1:29:24] >> Okay. Do I open a public hearing for
[1:29:26] this?
[1:29:29] >> Oh, okay. Okay.
[1:29:36] » I'll bring you. You have to sit tight.
[1:29:38] If you want to address the council on
[1:29:39] your license, of course. If you want to
[1:29:41] come to the podium.
[1:29:43] >> Okay. Come on up.
[1:29:45] >> Yeah.
[1:29:52] Um I guess I just want to know if I have
[1:29:54] to reapply for a different license now.
[1:29:57] Do I have to reapply if we can't do it
[1:29:59] on that date? Well, we haven't made that
[1:30:01] decision yet, but if if we pull it um
[1:30:05] and and I
[1:30:07] agree with the councelor's uh view of
[1:30:09] this, is there any way that this one day
[1:30:13] could be set aside so that your neighbor
[1:30:16] farm can have this solo?
[1:30:19] >> Yeah, I'll just talk to the GM and it's
[1:30:21] just um an event for the kids. So, we
[1:30:24] just wouldn't inflate the balance houses
[1:30:26] or do the hay rides um should your
[1:30:29] decision that when we have two that are
[1:30:31] close by to do that. So,
[1:30:33] >> as long as we know ahead just for like
[1:30:34] scheduling.
[1:30:35] >> Yeah, we'll uh So, what I'll do is I'm still going to go ahead. I'll remove
[1:30:40] it, take a vote on them all
[1:30:44] and then we'll leave this one to the
[1:30:46] side and we'll take a vote separately uh
[1:30:48] to deny your Okay.
[1:30:51] >> Okay. Mr. President, just to be clear,
[1:30:53] if you wanted to substitute another
[1:30:55] date,
[1:30:57] >> yes, I think you would have to come
[1:30:58] back. We just do it every weekend of
[1:31:01] September, October for fall. So we
[1:31:03] wouldn't push it okay to to another
[1:31:05] date. Okay. But thank you.
[1:31:07] >> While we have uh we have uh Fan here, do
[1:31:11] we have any questions about these
[1:31:12] events?
[1:31:16] Um
[1:31:19] I think uh what is the situation with
[1:31:22] parking because um last year we had
[1:31:26] parking spilling over into all of the
[1:31:28] nearby streets and we are probably going
[1:31:31] to reduce parking in all of those
[1:31:34] neighborhoods to only one side of the
[1:31:35] street because otherwise it's a public
[1:31:37] safety issue. The emergency vehicles
[1:31:39] can't fit through there.
[1:31:40] >> So do you feel that you're going to have
[1:31:42] adequate parking with that? because my
[1:31:45] concern is we need to make it so
[1:31:46] emergency vehicles can fit through those
[1:31:48] neighborhoods. We also don't want to see
[1:31:50] a trail of people with kids marching up
[1:31:52] Diamond Hill Road. Um that seems a
[1:31:54] little bit dangerous. So, have you been
[1:31:56] able to expand parking?
[1:31:57] >> Yeah, absolutely. So, we are working on
[1:31:59] an alternate plan for all of our Fall
[1:32:01] Fest dates. Um we kind of tested it at
[1:32:04] the vendor fair last weekend um where we
[1:32:07] opened up down the farm. We um had
[1:32:10] people drive all the way down and we
[1:32:11] opened up a parking area down there. Um,
[1:32:14] so we're contemplating the idea of doing
[1:32:16] that partially again, um, and adjusting
[1:32:19] our hayride schedule so that it can
[1:32:21] alleviate, we were able to fit about 100
[1:32:23] cars down there and we feel as though it
[1:32:26] significantly alleviated the side roads
[1:32:28] last weekend. We really didn't have any,
[1:32:30] to my knowledge, um, neighborly
[1:32:31] complaints or anything like that. Um, so
[1:32:34] we felt as though that was a good jump
[1:32:35] start to be kinder to our neighbors.
[1:32:39] Um, I guess one of my other questions
[1:32:41] would be when you're Wow, I just forgot
[1:32:45] my question when I went to speak. I'm
[1:32:47] sorry. [laughter]
[1:32:47] >> It's okay.
[1:32:48] >> Whoops.
[1:32:49] >> Join the club.
[1:32:50] >> Yeah. What was that?
[1:32:53] One of my other questions would be um
[1:32:56] around a police detail because I know
[1:32:59] you've had a police detail. At one
[1:33:01] point, we requested a police detail. I
[1:33:03] noticed on here you only say 100 people
[1:33:07] in attendance, but that seems unlikely
[1:33:09] for an event that last year full filled
[1:33:12] multiple streets on both sides plus your
[1:33:14] parking lot plus part of Diamond Hill
[1:33:16] Road with cars. So, does that number
[1:33:19] need to be updated to something more
[1:33:21] realistic? Um, that's what the police go
[1:33:24] by for public safety.
[1:33:25] >> Yeah, so when we pulled numbers from
[1:33:27] last year, we averaged about 98 tickets
[1:33:30] sold per day.
[1:33:31] >> Okay. Um, but we only charge for the
[1:33:35] children.
[1:33:36] >> Okay,
[1:33:36] >> so that's 98 children tickets average.
[1:33:39] There's certainly days where there was
[1:33:40] more um per day. So if you have the
[1:33:44] grandparents coming and the aunties and
[1:33:46] it would lead to to more cars. So I
[1:33:49] don't I don't really know how to answer
[1:33:51] that properly. There could certainly be
[1:33:53] more than that in one day.
[1:33:55] >> Okay. Um,
[1:34:01] I don't really want to I mean, I think
[1:34:04] it's very important that the farm
[1:34:06] succeeds, but I also want to make sure
[1:34:07] people are safe. So, without us
[1:34:10] requiring a police detail or anything
[1:34:12] like that, would you take it upon
[1:34:14] yourself to reach out to the police
[1:34:17] department and see if they think that it
[1:34:19] might be and maybe if they're willing
[1:34:21] to, I don't know, drive by a few extra
[1:34:23] times on the first weekend. If it looks
[1:34:25] crowded, have some more because if it's
[1:34:26] needed to direct traffic and keep keep
[1:34:28] people safe, I want it to be there. But
[1:34:31] I don't want to put the onus on you guys
[1:34:32] to maybe pay for something or deal with
[1:34:34] something that you don't need. But
[1:34:35] >> yeah, no, we will certainly pay for
[1:34:37] police detail if that's what's
[1:34:38] requested. Um, we want everyone to be
[1:34:41] safe also. And whatever is requested and
[1:34:43] want is wanted by everybody, we will
[1:34:45] certainly do that. No problem at all.
[1:34:46] >> Can you um maybe do give us an estimate
[1:34:50] of how many people you're expecting? If
[1:34:52] you're actually counting people, not
[1:34:54] just tickets sold, because I that would
[1:34:56] be like that would be the number that
[1:34:58] public safety needs to determine, you
[1:35:00] know, do they need more people for
[1:35:02] traffic detail? Do they need you guys to
[1:35:04] have a police detail because just the
[1:35:06] kids
[1:35:07] >> since they usually don't drive,
[1:35:09] >> right? Yeah. So, that's why. Yeah.
[1:35:11] >> So, I mean, if we could get an updated
[1:35:14] number on that, I mean, I would probably
[1:35:16] be more um comfortable voting in favor
[1:35:18] of it. And it's just trying to get that
[1:35:19] balance. And I am a little concerned
[1:35:21] because now that we know we have to
[1:35:23] limit parking and that's going to be on
[1:35:25] an upcoming agenda. I just want to make
[1:35:27] sure we're not spilling out onto Diamond
[1:35:29] Hill Road with nobody there to help with
[1:35:31] traffic because you guys can't really
[1:35:32] direct traffic on Diamond Hill Road on
[1:35:35] the road. You know, it would be
[1:35:36] dangerous and illegal.
[1:35:37] >> Um so, [laughter] you know, I just want
[1:35:40] to make sure we we have safety and we're
[1:35:42] also sort of respecting the neighbors
[1:35:43] and everything.
[1:35:44] >> Yeah, absolutely. I can get um I wasn't
[1:35:46] here
[1:35:47] >> for Fall Fest last year, so um I'll just
[1:35:49] have to talk to the GM and um and the
[1:35:51] owner and just get their better
[1:35:53] judgment.
[1:35:54] >> Okay. on what they think the actual
[1:35:56] attendance was last year versus tickets
[1:35:58] sold. Okay. Um and car-wise. Um but I
[1:36:00] will also emphasize to them that um
[1:36:04] making the back parking is now a
[1:36:07] forefront and and rescheduling our
[1:36:10] hayide is is of importance so that the
[1:36:12] cars can park back there and come out.
[1:36:14] >> Yeah. Because I imagine you also have
[1:36:15] additional employees and other people
[1:36:17] that need to park too, right? It's not
[1:36:19] just
[1:36:19] >> they're not allowed to park in front
[1:36:20] during Fall Fest, but Yeah. [laughter]
[1:36:22] >> Okay.
[1:36:22] >> Yeah.
[1:36:23] >> Okay. So
[1:36:24] >> yes, and we h assuming that the um no
[1:36:28] parking ordinance passes when it gets in
[1:36:30] front of the council in the next few
[1:36:32] weeks, it does allow for parking on both
[1:36:35] sides of the farm externally. So it'll
[1:36:37] be adjacent parking to you and then um
[1:36:40] it'll just be one side of those streets
[1:36:42] the other way around. So you'll still
[1:36:44] have, you know, some areas.
[1:36:46] >> Okay.
[1:36:47] >> Thank you, Council. Councelor Shaw.
[1:36:49] >> Thank you, Mr. President. So, um, unlike
[1:36:51] past events where you had vendors, this
[1:36:53] one does not have any vendors. So,
[1:36:56] therefore, all those parked cars from 40
[1:36:59] vendors being there are going to be
[1:37:00] non-existent, right? So, so that's good. That helps
[1:37:04] >> at least understand the capacity for
[1:37:07] which people that are attending, they're
[1:37:08] not going to be finding spots because of
[1:37:10] these 40 vendors taking up most of the
[1:37:12] parking.
[1:37:12] >> Correct. But you did have um and this
[1:37:15] could be just my
[1:37:18] mind forgetting, but I looked back into
[1:37:20] some past meetings. You did say you were
[1:37:22] serving liquor
[1:37:24] and that that you were applying for an
[1:37:26] F1, but I don't see any F1 license being
[1:37:30] issued or applied for. And I wanted to
[1:37:32] make I went back to like June to make
[1:37:34] sure that we didn't do it that
[1:37:35] prematurely early and then you're now
[1:37:37] you're coming for the regular
[1:37:38] entertainment license and like say that
[1:37:39] you don't have one.
[1:37:40] >> No. Yeah. So, um I'm currently figuring
[1:37:44] that out. We're not as of right now.
[1:37:47] There will be no Phantom Brewing won't
[1:37:49] be there if that that's usually who we
[1:37:51] have.
[1:37:52] >> Um I'm also So, I'm the new event court
[1:37:54] director for Phantom Farms and Phantom
[1:37:56] Brewing.
[1:37:57] >> So, as of right now, um for Fall Fest,
[1:38:00] there will not be Phantom Brewing on
[1:38:01] site. There will be no vendors, no
[1:38:03] alcohol of any kind. Um
[1:38:06] that has been a thing. So, no,
[1:38:08] >> but but it could come possibly in the in
[1:38:14] like that would affect maybe October if
[1:38:16] we had a meeting in September and you
[1:38:17] applied for a license for those events
[1:38:19] is what is like I want to um
[1:38:22] >> maybe confirm with the solicitor. Yeah.
[1:38:25] >> So, we've talked about this. So, Phantom
[1:38:28] Brewing has a B license and andor a
[1:38:33] state license. So, she's conferring with
[1:38:37] DBR on what the brewery can do or not do
[1:38:42] on other properties.
[1:38:44] They cannot get an F license at Phantom
[1:38:47] Farm North, I'm calling it.
[1:38:49] >> Okay.
[1:38:50] >> Because they have they now have the
[1:38:52] winery license.
[1:38:54] >> So, they are unable to get a uh they are
[1:38:58] unable to ask for an F license going
[1:39:01] forward. previously they didn't have the
[1:39:03] winery license that's why they could ask
[1:39:05] for the F license.
[1:39:06] >> That was going to be my follow-up one
[1:39:07] because I know that was that you and I
[1:39:09] have been talking whether or not that
[1:39:11] was issued if that was the case.
[1:39:14] >> So So okay, I did talk to the state the
[1:39:17] other day after our conversation. Um
[1:39:21] >> and there are three
[1:39:23] conflicting things. So no, the brewery
[1:39:25] cannot serve at the farm
[1:39:28] ever. You know, right now it it's not a
[1:39:30] thing. So, we are seeking after we
[1:39:33] spoke, seeking other ways to potentially
[1:39:36] have it there. As of right now, it's not going to happen.
[1:39:41] >> Okay.
[1:39:42] >> Should that change, I don't know how
[1:39:44] quick. I don't Yeah, but as of right
[1:39:46] now, with their current license at the
[1:39:48] brewery, they won't they won't be at the
[1:39:51] farm. It might be through one of those
[1:39:52] outside vendors, but we haven't even
[1:39:55] discussed that.
[1:39:56] >> So, the application should read no.
[1:39:58] There would be no liquor service.
[1:39:59] >> No. Yeah. No, no, sorry.
[1:40:02] >> That doesn't say that. That's why I
[1:40:03] brought it up.
[1:40:03] >> It because um when we did apply for it,
[1:40:06] we did apply, but then we figured out it
[1:40:09] couldn't. So, yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah.
[1:40:11] >> Okay. Well, I appreciate the
[1:40:12] clarification. Thank you.
[1:40:13] >> Yeah.
[1:40:13] >> I I can I just
[1:40:16] did you have more employees in that
[1:40:18] parking lot of this last festival
[1:40:21] because it seemed like there were a lot
[1:40:22] of people moving around.
[1:40:24] >> I was doing parking detail. Yeah.
[1:40:26] >> Good. Good. [laughter] I'm just saying
[1:40:27] good. Good for you. Thank you.
[1:40:28] >> Yeah. You're welcome. Yeah.
[1:40:30] >> Um, now I know there's been some
[1:40:31] interest on this. Is anybody else have
[1:40:33] any questions of the
[1:40:36] >> spokesman for the farm?
[1:40:38] >> All right. Thank you.
[1:40:39] >> Thank you.
[1:40:40] >> Do I have to open a public record if I
[1:40:42] want to hear a public meeting?
[1:40:43] >> There's somebody that wants
[1:40:44] >> Yeah, I want to get me to go up here.
[1:40:46] Does you would like to address anything?
[1:40:48] Please
[1:40:49] >> just state your come to the just state
[1:40:51] your name and address for the record. Is
[1:40:52] you know the routine. [laughter]
[1:41:00] Linda Pillo, one Town Thompson Hill
[1:41:02] Drive. I'm just concerned about the
[1:41:04] parking because last year was absolutely
[1:41:07] horrendous. I know you weren't there,
[1:41:10] but there was parking on both sides of
[1:41:12] the road. I couldn't even get out of my
[1:41:14] street. I had to back down. And so it
[1:41:18] was better. I have to say the last event
[1:41:21] that you had, the fact that you closed
[1:41:24] that gate and people weren't going in
[1:41:27] there and then just going up and around
[1:41:29] and I did see that people were parking
[1:41:31] further down. Um the hundred
[1:41:36] for attendance is way off, way off just
[1:41:40] because of what was parking in front of
[1:41:42] my house last year. There was a minimum
[1:41:47] and there was turnover all day. There
[1:41:49] was at least 15 cars in front of my
[1:41:51] property alone and so and most of those
[1:41:56] cars had four people in them. And then
[1:41:59] as far as the my understanding with them
[1:42:02] applying for a liquor license, I um have
[1:42:05] been the license itself hasn't been
[1:42:09] issued. So according to DBR and I did
[1:42:12] send a letter to Leand desolate until
[1:42:14] the license is issued they can apply for
[1:42:17] a class F liquor license and that is the
[1:42:20] only type of license they can apply for
[1:42:23] during that time and then once the
[1:42:26] license is license is actually issued
[1:42:30] they can then if they want to serve what
[1:42:34] is not produced on the farm they then
[1:42:38] have to get it through like a caterer
[1:42:41] license and someone there
[1:42:44] >> and so we don't regulate state licenses.
[1:42:47] So a caterer's license is a state
[1:42:49] license. So
[1:42:51] >> the brewery license is a state license
[1:42:53] but they also have a town B class B
[1:42:56] license which they can't use to serve on
[1:43:00] other properties. Right? So I I am not
[1:43:04] uh advising town the town
[1:43:07] >> on state licenses, right?
[1:43:09] >> But I I think you're right. I think if
[1:43:11] they used a caterer, they could, right?
[1:43:13] >> I thought that the um winery license did
[1:43:16] issue. If it didn't,
[1:43:17] >> it has not issued to date yet, but
[1:43:19] they're not asking for the F license.
[1:43:21] >> But I just wanted you like when you were
[1:43:24] saying that since they've gotten the
[1:43:26] license, that's what I was told for a
[1:43:28] right for a class F. But I emailed her today to ask if the
[1:43:34] license had been issued,
[1:43:35] >> right? But they're not asking for a
[1:43:37] class F, so it doesn't really implicate
[1:43:39] this, you know. So once that class F
[1:43:43] license issues, even if even if they
[1:43:45] were to approve an F license, which
[1:43:47] they're not asking for, they couldn't
[1:43:49] use it if they had the winery license,
[1:43:51] which they don't have yet until it's
[1:43:53] issued
[1:43:54] >> legally. That's what they told me. So I
[1:43:56] just wanted to clarify that. Um and then
[1:44:01] if
[1:44:03] like there is parking there, what else
[1:44:06] can be done
[1:44:08] like with the overflow if there is
[1:44:11] overflow if parking
[1:44:15] isn't limited on the roads
[1:44:19] like in the past when the signs went up
[1:44:22] like they do for the parade.
[1:44:24] >> Yeah.
[1:44:25] If when it comes up for z parking and
[1:44:31] prevent parking,
[1:44:33] what can be done if that doesn't get
[1:44:36] issued in time for fall fest? We could
[1:44:39] still um do temporary Yeah, we could
[1:44:42] still do temporary signs, but um we did
[1:44:45] have uh I spoke with all of the chiefs
[1:44:48] before putting the ordinance together uh
[1:44:50] police, fire, and EMS, and we they
[1:44:54] understood and confirmed that there is
[1:44:56] not enough room for emergency vehicles
[1:44:57] with cars parked on both sides. So, I'm
[1:44:59] hoping
[1:45:00] >> all these all these wonderful folks up
[1:45:02] here, I'm hoping at least four of them
[1:45:03] are going to vote with us next time to
[1:45:06] get that um parking, you know, in place
[1:45:09] and then we'll do our best to get the
[1:45:10] signs up before all of this is started
[1:45:12] because we still have a little bit of
[1:45:13] time left because we meet again in two
[1:45:16] weeks. So, the uh my my hope is that
[1:45:18] we're going to have ordinance
[1:45:19] subcommittee um within that time,
[1:45:22] possibly on the same day as our next
[1:45:24] town council meeting, pass through the
[1:45:26] ordinance thing, assuming everything is
[1:45:28] in order um and then have be able to
[1:45:32] vote on it and, you know, get the signs
[1:45:34] up pretty quickly, but if we need to, we
[1:45:36] can do temporary signs again.
[1:45:37] >> Okay, great. Thank you.
[1:45:38] >> Thank you.
[1:45:41] >> Anyone else want to speak on this while
[1:45:43] you're
[1:45:46] Okay. So, let's get back to the list.
[1:45:48] So, I understand
[1:45:50] Phantom Farm is willingly going to
[1:45:52] remove 926. Is that right?
[1:45:59] From your request.
[1:46:04] So, um I'll take a motion to amend this
[1:46:09] license.
[1:46:11] You can vote to approve all the dates
[1:46:13] except for September 26th and then take
[1:46:16] up September 26th.
[1:46:18] >> Makes it simple. So, uh, with that said
[1:46:20] and no objection, I'll take a motion
[1:46:22] because everything is in order on the on
[1:46:24] the farm's end. I'll take a motion to
[1:46:26] approve this license for every day
[1:46:28] except 92626.
[1:46:31] >> So moved by councelor.
[1:46:34] >> It is second by
[1:46:35] >> council. Councelor Bolio. All in favor
[1:46:39] to approve say I. Any opposed. The uh
[1:46:42] the license passes by a vote of seven to
[1:46:45] zero. And again, I want to thank you for
[1:46:46] working with our nonprofit.
[1:46:50] Okay, we're move we're moving over to
[1:46:54] our next item. We have an application
[1:46:56] for a special event license from Ocean
[1:46:57] State Brewing Company doing doing
[1:47:00] businesses Phantom Farms Brewing for a
[1:47:02] parking lot takeover event on September
[1:47:04] 5th, uh 2026. All of these will all be
[1:47:08] at 26 September 5th, September 20th,
[1:47:11] October 3rd, and these are all from
[1:47:13] 12:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. And it's going
[1:47:16] to be located at 30 Mountain Street.
[1:47:18] Everything is in order. I'm sorry. Go
[1:47:20] ahead.
[1:47:22] >> I just want to make sure. So, you took
[1:47:25] you voted to approve all of them except
[1:47:27] for
[1:47:28] >> September 26th.
[1:47:30] >> And now, are you going to take up
[1:47:31] September 26th?
[1:47:32] >> I certainly will if I have to do that.
[1:47:34] But if it was removed,
[1:47:35] >> Yeah. I think you need a vote on it.
[1:47:37] Yeah.
[1:47:37] >> Okay. Well, let's go back one.
[1:47:39] >> Sorry.
[1:47:39] >> So, um we approved uh the previous
[1:47:42] dates. Now, I will take a motion uh to
[1:47:46] deny the license an application for a
[1:47:49] special event entertainment license of
[1:47:50] Phantom Farm to LLC uh for Fall Fest for
[1:47:54] the date of 92626.
[1:47:57] Do I have a motion? So, moved by
[1:47:59] councelor Bolio. It is second by
[1:48:00] councelor.
[1:48:01] >> All in favor to deny say uh say I.
[1:48:05] >> I. Any opposed? The the the license is
[1:48:08] denied by a vote of six to one. Okay.
[1:48:12] Thank you. So, we're moving on to our
[1:48:15] next again we special event uh license
[1:48:18] for Ocean State Brewing doing business
[1:48:19] phantom farms. Uh brewing for parking
[1:48:24] lot takeover uh event September 5th,
[1:48:27] September 20th, October 3rd, all of 2026
[1:48:30] from 12 uh to 6 pm. This is located at
[1:48:34] 30 M Street uh for the council.
[1:48:37] Everything is indeed order in order. Um
[1:48:41] is anybody here from the farm on this
[1:48:43] particular please or you step up tell us
[1:48:46] what this is going to entail?
[1:48:54] » These are our concert series.
[1:48:55] >> Um we do them in the parking lot. They
[1:48:57] are really great events. Big turnout for
[1:48:59] these. Um we usually anticipate at least
[1:49:01] 500 guests to attend. Um the bands go
[1:49:06] right on the loading dock um outside.
[1:49:08] It's really fun. Um when we serve our
[1:49:10] beer, there's usually two food trucks
[1:49:12] there. Um I don't know what they will be
[1:49:15] yet. Um they're still pending. Um but
[1:49:18] just like all the other other ones we've
[1:49:20] had.
[1:49:21] >> I'll just ask the other ones of not that
[1:49:23] I know of of any problem, but uh is
[1:49:25] there a law enforcement officer hired
[1:49:28] for those?
[1:49:30] Um I've only been to one. It was a small
[1:49:33] one in March. Um there was no police
[1:49:35] detail requested for that one. Um and we
[1:49:39] had but we did hire security to man the
[1:49:42] gates and check IDs. Um
[1:49:45] >> but I don't know for the others. I think
[1:49:47] maybe they have police. I would I would
[1:49:49] have to double check with with that.
[1:49:51] >> Um I can't remember. No, I did call
[1:49:54] Lieutenant
[1:49:56] um
[1:49:57] >> Boris. Boris today and left a message um
[1:50:00] because in my portal did say that they
[1:50:02] requested police detail. So I'm just
[1:50:03] waiting on a call back.
[1:50:04] >> Okay.
[1:50:05] >> Yeah.
[1:50:06] >> Any questions of the uh of phantom? Mr.
[1:50:08] Shaw,
[1:50:09] >> just just for clarification purposes
[1:50:12] because it says 500 in attendance,
[1:50:13] right? And that should trigger some sort
[1:50:15] of
[1:50:16] >> detail. Yeah.
[1:50:17] >> And there wasn't any in in the in the
[1:50:19] past. You said
[1:50:20] >> No, I don't know.
[1:50:21] >> That you don't know of.
[1:50:22] >> No, I think there was, but I just
[1:50:24] >> Okay. So can't confirm it. The
[1:50:26] expectation is that there will be a
[1:50:27] police detail
[1:50:29] >> at these events even though you hired
[1:50:30] security.
[1:50:33] >> Separate issue that's like a control
[1:50:35] thing. But having a police presence
[1:50:37] >> and and and
[1:50:39] >> EMS or
[1:50:41] >> um I think that's a next step in my
[1:50:43] portal that it's like not through yet
[1:50:46] for the application
[1:50:47] >> cuz that's a pretty or or I don't know
[1:50:49] if EMS or fire. I don't know what
[1:50:51] >> for the big ones. I think they said they
[1:50:52] had both EMS and police
[1:50:55] >> for the ones that were like over 200
[1:50:56] guests,
[1:51:00] » but we're not but last year. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:51:02] But you're not there as far as the
[1:51:03] portal goes for this event.
[1:51:05] >> I did submit this one.
[1:51:07] >> Okay. Okay.
[1:51:09] >> Mr. President.
[1:51:10] >> Yes. I I just want to be clear if it's
[1:51:13] not a regulation and I don't know if it
[1:51:15] is about the number of attendees
[1:51:18] triggering details then if you want them
[1:51:22] then you have to make them a condition
[1:51:24] of your approval right
[1:51:25] >> so I don't know if they're in the
[1:51:26] regulation at 200 people or whatever but
[1:51:30] if they're not and you want them there
[1:51:32] you have to put it in your approval
[1:51:36] >> there is a trigger isn't there
[1:51:38] >> well that's what I was assumption But I
[1:51:40] guess I don't know.
[1:51:41] >> She does it. I'm sorry.
[1:51:49] » So you'll be
[1:51:49] >> So she might be at the point where
[1:51:55] » Yeah. I left a message with Lieutenant
[1:51:57] Forest today because it said that but
[1:51:59] they wanted police details. So I reached
[1:52:00] out and just I'm waiting for a call
[1:52:02] back.
[1:52:03] >> So they they said they wanted one.
[1:52:05] >> It's what it said in my in my in the
[1:52:07] portal. There's like a message and it
[1:52:08] says police detail requested. Please
[1:52:10] call Lieutenant um Forest at Yeah.
[1:52:13] >> Okay.
[1:52:14] >> To coordinate
[1:52:15] >> because we don't want to put an undue
[1:52:17] burden on the business if it's not going
[1:52:19] to deny. But if he's saying that, I
[1:52:22] would probably make the motion to add
[1:52:26] the police detail.
[1:52:29] >> Go ahead.
[1:52:31] >> Isn't it It's already part of It's going
[1:52:32] to be in that packet. I don't think we
[1:52:33] have to say that. We never done that. Do
[1:52:35] we? We go. Sure.
[1:52:39] » You know, we'll hear from Chief Desert.
[1:52:41] Do you want to comment on this? Just
[1:52:43] come up here so we can
[1:52:47] » leave.
[1:52:51] » So, I would like to say that they do
[1:52:53] contact us through the portal.
[1:52:54] >> Um, there is a trigger number. Um, I
[1:52:57] don't know if it's identical across
[1:52:59] public safety agencies. Um, but
[1:53:01] historically, um, I've always suggested,
[1:53:04] well, mandated that an EMS detail be
[1:53:07] there. Um, and a few times, um, like a
[1:53:11] week before, they they email me to
[1:53:13] cancel and say that we don't have the we
[1:53:16] haven't had the ticket sales, so we
[1:53:18] cancel. This happened to the last one,
[1:53:20] okay, on Sunday. I think it was a couple
[1:53:22] weeks ago. Um, and there was a medical
[1:53:24] event there. So I there's no way for me
[1:53:26] to actually
[1:53:29] drive by and count the amount of people
[1:53:30] there like you know when I'm off duty.
[1:53:32] So it it's sort of this
[1:53:35] gray area. Um but I can tell you moving
[1:53:37] forward I'm not going to allow them just
[1:53:39] to cancel because they won't have their
[1:53:41] ticket sales because there's no way for
[1:53:43] me to verify that and I'm not going to
[1:53:44] put this public safety at risk. So um I
[1:53:47] just like to say that.
[1:53:49] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:53:53] » Mr. McGill. So, is there an event this
[1:53:55] weekend on the 22nd?
[1:53:58] >> On the 22nd
[1:54:00] or the 23rd?
[1:54:01] >> Yeah, I think the 22nd cuz there's a
[1:54:03] police detail that's
[1:54:04] >> one of those dates. Yeah.
[1:54:05] >> scheduled for that.
[1:54:06] >> Mhm. Yeah.
[1:54:07] >> So, if that's similar to what going on
[1:54:09] here, I don't know what that event is,
[1:54:10] but if it's similar to
[1:54:11] >> it's the same it's the same.
[1:54:12] >> So, I'm assuming
[1:54:13] >> parking lot takeover series.
[1:54:14] >> So, I'm assuming that they end up
[1:54:15] getting the details.
[1:54:17] >> Okay. So,
[1:54:17] >> that's my assumption, but you talk to
[1:54:19] Lieutenant Forest and
[1:54:20] >> Yeah.
[1:54:20] >> All right. So if they had one there, can
[1:54:23] I just clarify?
[1:54:25] Was EMS there as well on the last?
[1:54:28] >> Not this last one because they called
[1:54:30] they emailed you to cancel it. They said
[1:54:31] they had only sold like 100 tickets. So,
[1:54:34] you know, I replied, "Okay,
[1:54:40] you know, I get people texting big
[1:54:43] events,
[1:54:45] firearms down here."
[1:54:49] » So,
[1:54:53] » okay,
[1:54:56] >> this is justformational since you're new to the role. I just wanted to
[1:55:00] um let you know that we did pass an
[1:55:02] ordinance at the last meeting that you
[1:55:05] know as you start going forward um we're
[1:55:08] asking that everyone apply six weeks in
[1:55:10] advance for licenses just for for
[1:55:13] situations like this um just to make
[1:55:15] sure that public safety and everybody
[1:55:17] has a chance to weigh in. So I just want
[1:55:18] to make sure you're aware it's new and
[1:55:20] you're new and
[1:55:20] >> Yes. Yeah. Paige told me. So now I'm
[1:55:22] doing the state I have it in my my
[1:55:24] agenda is that 8 weeks out I apply for
[1:55:26] the state permit that should come in by
[1:55:29] time for the six week. So
[1:55:30] >> thank you so much.
[1:55:31] >> Yep. You're welcome.
[1:55:32] >> Any other questions of the applicant?
[1:55:36] >> No.
[1:55:37] >> Thank you so much.
[1:55:38] >> Thank you very much.
[1:55:41] >> Any motions or further discussion by the
[1:55:43] council on this license?
[1:55:44] >> Motion to approve.
[1:55:46] >> I got a motion to approve by councel. Do
[1:55:49] I have a second?
[1:55:51] by council McIll. All in favor of
[1:55:53] approve say I. Any opposed? The license
[1:55:56] passes by a vote of seven to zero.
[1:55:58] >> Thank you. Next item. We're moving down.
[1:56:00] We are now at license number six. An
[1:56:02] application for a special event license
[1:56:04] for Franklin Farm for the harvest
[1:56:06] festival event on September 26, 2026
[1:56:09] with a rain date of 20 uh September
[1:56:11] 27th, 2026. This is 9 to5 uh p.m.
[1:56:15] located at 142 Abbott Run Valley Road.
[1:56:18] We do approve this license as pending
[1:56:20] the insurance certificate.
[1:56:22] Um Mudge, did you want to comment on
[1:56:24] that or do do we have do we even need So
[1:56:26] we we're quite familiar with that. Did
[1:56:28] you someone stick their hand and wanted
[1:56:30] to comment on that? Okay. If I don't see
[1:56:32] any discussion from the me council
[1:56:34] members, I'll take a motion to approve
[1:56:36] it.
[1:56:36] >> So moved.
[1:56:36] by councelor Bolio. It has been
[1:56:39] seconded by councelor. Was it sure? All
[1:56:41] in favor to approve the license say I.
[1:56:44] Any oppose? This license passes by a
[1:56:46] vote of 7 to zero. We are now at all
[1:56:49] business.
[1:56:51] The first item uh we have on uh up for
[1:56:55] public hearing is ordinance 26-06. It's
[1:56:58] an ordinance amending the code of
[1:57:00] ordinance regarding the disposition of
[1:57:03] public property. This was tabled from
[1:57:05] July 15, 2026 council meeting. And
[1:57:08] before we go, um I am going to uh uh
[1:57:12] need a motion to accept the A version of
[1:57:14] this ordinance.
[1:57:15] >> So move.
[1:57:15] >> So moved by councelor Bolio second.
[1:57:17] >> Second by councelor sweet
[1:57:20] >> and sure.
[1:57:21] >> All in favor to uh approve say I.
[1:57:24] >> Any opposed.
[1:57:27] >> Okay. We are now dealing with 260 uh 06A
[1:57:30] as amended. I'm going to open the public
[1:57:33] hearing at 8:34 PM.
[1:57:39] Chairwoman Bole. Thank you, Mr.
[1:57:42] President. So, we did hear this uh
[1:57:44] ordinance today. It um in our
[1:57:47] subcommittee and it received favorable
[1:57:49] passage of 3 to zero. Uh what it does
[1:57:53] address is the disposition of property
[1:57:55] that could include uh equipment as well
[1:57:59] as uh real estate property itself. Um
[1:58:03] and it was intended to streamline the
[1:58:06] processes uh for both of those areas. Uh
[1:58:09] and in part as it relates to the um the
[1:58:13] vehicle and equipment that they will
[1:58:16] leverage the state bid list um or some
[1:58:18] other you know public mechanism like
[1:58:20] that. Um, and I don't know if you want
[1:58:24] to add anything as you've been working
[1:58:26] so hard in this councelor.
[1:58:28] >> Um, ju just the original in intention of
[1:58:33] redoing this ordinance was to give us
[1:58:36] more options. Before this, we only had
[1:58:38] one um pretty lengthy convoluted way to
[1:58:42] sell property that the town had that it
[1:58:44] might have an interest in selling. This
[1:58:46] gives us a host of options all still
[1:58:49] requiring approval from the council and
[1:58:52] um it is in keeping with what our
[1:58:54] neighbors are doing in the same type of
[1:58:57] situation. Um the only major difference
[1:59:00] is that I did leave the original system
[1:59:03] in place. We just have additional
[1:59:05] streamlined options now.
[1:59:08] >> Excellent. Um thank you. So, what I'll
[1:59:11] do is since the public comment is uh
[1:59:14] open, is anybody in the audience would
[1:59:17] like to comment on ordinance 26-06A is
[1:59:20] amended?
[1:59:24] I see no one in the chamber. Madame
[1:59:26] clerk, anyone joining us virtually?
[1:59:30] Okay. Um, so with that said, I'm going
[1:59:33] to close the public hearing at 8:36 p.m.
[1:59:38] and leave any motions or comments to the
[1:59:40] council.
[1:59:42] >> Sure. Question,
[1:59:44] >> Mr. Bradley.
[1:59:46] >> Is this going to allow us to uh sell
[1:59:48] property out on the open market?
[1:59:52] >> Yes.
[1:59:54] >> Okay.
[1:59:56] >> You could we could sell it um through a
[1:59:59] real estate agent. We could sell it
[2:00:01] through a public auction. Um, we could
[2:00:04] sell it to a neighboring property owner
[2:00:07] if they weren't trying to develop it. It
[2:00:09] gives us a whole host of options and
[2:00:11] vehicles and equipment can be se sold
[2:00:14] through um, uh, sites that are like
[2:00:18] public auction sites like MUN bid. So,
[2:00:21] sort of eBay for local government stuff.
[2:00:24] Um, so it gives us a whole host of
[2:00:26] options for the best way to sell things
[2:00:28] and get the best price. And we would of
[2:00:30] course be voting on them before anything
[2:00:32] was sold.
[2:00:34] >> Yeah, the MUN bid for equipment. I
[2:00:36] brought that up about five or seven
[2:00:38] years ago.
[2:00:39] >> Nothing was ever done with it. So, that
[2:00:40] I'm good to see. However, I don't think
[2:00:42] the town should be in the real estate
[2:00:44] business
[2:00:46] other than to sell it to an abuing
[2:00:47] property owner that's going to add it to
[2:00:49] their property.
[2:00:51] >> Thank you, councelor. Any other
[2:00:52] comments?
[2:00:53] >> I I just want to be clear on the surplus
[2:00:55] equipment and I want to review this for
[2:00:57] a sec here.
[2:01:00] the mayor get is the one that would um
[2:01:04] sell the surplus goods in consultation
[2:01:07] with a town department. So that would
[2:01:09] not come to you. I just want to clarify
[2:01:11] that real estate always comes to you,
[2:01:12] but the surplus equipment would go on
[2:01:15] the uh MUN bid or similar site.
[2:01:19] >> That's at section F line. find it
[2:01:27] » missing where we also have that
[2:01:28] >> I think question
[2:01:31] >> it it's my reading uh first of all I
[2:01:33] appreciate the council taking up uh this
[2:01:35] ordinance and I mentioned it for those
[2:01:38] who are history buffs this was actually
[2:01:39] passed in 1996 I'm not actually well
[2:01:43] actually it was probably 1997
[2:01:45] um but um I'm not sure it was ever
[2:01:48] actually uh executed in in any in any
[2:01:51] manner But it is my reading under um on
[2:01:55] section A where the town council shall
[2:01:58] determine by resolution the manner in
[2:02:00] which the real or tangible property is
[2:02:03] to be sold. So, I do believe that I
[2:02:05] could be mistaken, but I do think that
[2:02:09] whatever the town was looking to uh
[2:02:12] sell, there would be a resolution
[2:02:15] um informing you as to what was being
[2:02:19] sold in the manner in which it was being
[2:02:21] sold and you would have an opportunity
[2:02:23] to uh weigh in on whether or not you
[2:02:25] thought that was appropriate. Um that's
[2:02:28] my reading, but I could be mistaken. And
[2:02:29] then the other the only other thing is
[2:02:31] there needs to be during the committee
[2:02:33] there was a spelling error on Y
[2:02:35] >> line 101 that needs to be repaired.
[2:02:37] Thank you.
[2:02:38] >> So if you do want input on the surplus
[2:02:40] equipment we should change
[2:02:43] uh line
[2:02:47] um
[2:02:48] line 95
[2:02:53] to sorry line 96. when the mayor in
[2:02:56] consultation with the relevant town
[2:02:58] department determines
[2:03:01] and then yeah
[2:03:05] >> okay
[2:03:07] >> we will pause
[2:03:15] » is the qualified okay
[2:03:21] » I'm sorry what line was the typo uh
[2:03:25] And that should be qualified, right?
[2:03:37] Can we correct those on the fly or I
[2:03:39] need a B?
[2:03:42] >> Yeah. No, you can correct them. Okay.
[2:03:54] Madam solicitor, the second line after
[2:03:56] 101 was what? 896.
[2:04:00] » 96.
[2:04:01] >> But we're not on Zoom again, right? Are
[2:04:02] we on Zoom?
[2:04:03] >> No, I won't do anything. I'm just I'm
[2:04:04] just getting ready. That's all.
[2:04:08] >> You're on.
[2:04:10] >> Sandra Arts Live.
[2:04:17] » Yes. Of course. You want me to take a
[2:04:22] >> council doesn't mind? I'm just going to
[2:04:24] take a threem minute recess.
[2:04:27] >> Give her credit for that.
[2:06:16] Yeah.
[2:06:59] we can't complain.
[2:07:01] Absolutely. You know how tough it is to
[2:07:03] sweep in that league. Okay, the town
[2:07:06] council is back in session.
[2:07:09] Just to give us a quick uh recap, we are
[2:07:12] now at ordinance uh 2606
[2:07:16] uh A is amended. Uh we have closed the
[2:07:18] public hearing on this uh ordinance at
[2:07:21] uh 8:36
[2:07:22] and now we are uh just discussions from
[2:07:25] the council. I do have uh two
[2:07:28] corrections we're going to make and I'll
[2:07:30] take those in a second. I know uh on
[2:07:32] line 101 we're going to fix the word uh
[2:07:35] correctly spell it to qualified and
[2:07:37] there was one more correction you wanted
[2:07:39] to make on 96 madam solic
[2:07:44] >> no it was um we're going to make a
[2:07:47] slight amendment because
[2:07:50] >> oh sorry [laughter]
[2:07:52] >> because we want to um ensure that
[2:07:55] there's no confusion. So, we're going to
[2:07:57] um amend 10 line 101 where it says um it
[2:08:01] starts above that the mayor or his
[2:08:03] design is authorized. We're going to say
[2:08:05] the mayor or his designate upon approval
[2:08:08] by the council is authorized to enter
[2:08:10] into an agreement. And that way it's
[2:08:12] just clear that the council has to
[2:08:14] approve any sale of property
[2:08:19] >> and that's you said 101. So, it's the
[2:08:22] same line is qualified. Yes. So, we're
[2:08:24] just change making those t changes on
[2:08:26] line 101.
[2:08:27] >> Yes.
[2:08:28] >> Okay. Madam Madam cler, [clears throat]
[2:08:30] do you have those changes? Okay. So, um
[2:08:35] is there any other um any other
[2:08:38] questions?
[2:08:40] So, I'm going to take a motion to
[2:08:42] approve uh 26
[2:08:46] >> motion to amend.
[2:08:47] >> Excuse me. Correct. a motion to amend
[2:08:50] 2606A
[2:08:52] by making changes to uh lines 101 that
[2:08:56] were uh suggested by councelor uh and
[2:09:00] you have those madam clerk right okay so
[2:09:03] all in favor to approve those changes
[2:09:04] say I I any opposed
[2:09:07] >> the ch I'm I'm sorry
[2:09:10] >> I made the motion
[2:09:12] >> okay good
[2:09:14] >> second was councelor Shaw
[2:09:16] >> all in favor to amend say I I
[2:09:18] >> any opposed? Okay, we are now again
[2:09:21] dealing with uh uh 2606A
[2:09:25] as amended. Um so with that said, is
[2:09:29] there any other comments? I will take a
[2:09:31] motion on the amended.
[2:09:33] >> The the only comment I'll make is just
[2:09:35] to sort of counter councelor Bradley. I don't understand how it would make
[2:09:40] sense for the town to own property that
[2:09:43] we may not need that maybe we acquired
[2:09:45] in some way and then
[2:09:48] could benefit from selling and not have
[2:09:50] the right to sell it unless we sold it
[2:09:51] to an abuter which would automatically
[2:09:54] privilege any a butter that already
[2:09:56] owned property to continue to get more
[2:09:58] property. It doesn't really make any
[2:10:01] sense to me. So, I'm hoping the rest of
[2:10:03] the council is going to vote to approve
[2:10:06] this so that the town has more
[2:10:07] flexibility to sell things that it has
[2:10:10] that it maybe doesn't need or that it
[2:10:12] could benefit by selling since more
[2:10:14] money for the town is always good.
[2:10:17] >> Thank you, council. And I will counter
[2:10:19] that with if you sell a piece of
[2:10:21] property and you build a house, you sell
[2:10:23] that piece of property for one-time
[2:10:25] money. You now bring kids into the
[2:10:27] school department. We've never adjusted
[2:10:29] our impact fees.
[2:10:31] So that just goes right on the homeowner
[2:10:33] that that's already here.
[2:10:35] >> Well,
[2:10:35] >> so yeah, I'm not a fan of that.
[2:10:37] >> And anytime we're going to adjust those
[2:10:40] upwards, I will vote with you on that.
[2:10:44] >> All set. No further discussion. Okay.
[2:10:47] So, what I'll do now is I will go to the
[2:10:50] I got a motion to approve and it was
[2:10:52] seconded. So, I'm going to go to the
[2:10:53] roll call. Councelor Bradley.
[2:10:55] >> No.
[2:10:56] >> Council Mativia. Yes.
[2:10:58] Councelor Shaw,
[2:10:59] >> yes.
[2:11:00] >> Council McIll,
[2:11:01] >> yes.
[2:11:01] >> Councelor,
[2:11:02] >> yes.
[2:11:03] >> Councelor Bolio, yes. The chair also
[2:11:05] votes yes. The ordinance passes by a
[2:11:07] vote of 6 to1 with councelor Bradley in
[2:11:09] the negative. Okay, we're moving down to
[2:11:12] our next uh ordinance for public
[2:11:14] hearing. We're at 26-17A.
[2:11:16] We have an ordinance amending the zone
[2:11:18] and ordinances of town of Cumberland,
[2:11:20] Rhode Island. This was tabled from July
[2:11:22] 15, 2026
[2:11:24] uh at that council meeting. I do need a
[2:11:27] motion to accept 26-17A.
[2:11:30] >> So move.
[2:11:31] >> So moved by councelor Bolio, second by
[2:11:33] councel Shaw. All in favor to amend say
[2:11:36] I. Any opposed?
[2:11:38] >> Hearing none, the ordinance is amended
[2:11:41] uh by a vote of 7 to zero. I will open
[2:11:44] the public hearing at 8:49 p.m.
[2:11:50] Chairwoman Bolio.
[2:11:53] >> Thank you, Mr. President. So this
[2:11:55] ordinance um amends uh the storm water
[2:11:59] management flood hazards, soil erosions
[2:12:02] and sediment control and utilities to
[2:12:04] comply with [sighs] department of
[2:12:06] environmental management requirements.
[2:12:08] And I'm reading from the letter on page
[2:12:11] five. So the ordinance um improves the
[2:12:14] required language uh that wasn't passed
[2:12:16] in the April ordinance which council
[2:12:19] approved on April 15th. Um and we are
[2:12:24] changing the language from storm water
[2:12:26] basins to storm water control measures.
[2:12:30] Um additionally the planning department
[2:12:32] wanted to provide guidance on
[2:12:34] implementation and design of buffers
[2:12:36] when commercial or industrial zones
[2:12:39] about agriculture open space or
[2:12:41] residential zones. Um, and the ordinance
[2:12:44] was seen by the planning board at their
[2:12:46] June 25th meeting, continued to the July
[2:12:49] 30 meeting where they recommendations
[2:12:52] received a 90-0 vote, passing
[2:12:54] unanimously. Um, and then the state has
[2:12:57] requested that the ordinance be updated
[2:13:00] by the end of August. So, uh, this was
[2:13:03] heard also this evening in ordinance
[2:13:05] subcommittee and it received favorable
[2:13:07] passage on a three to zero vote.
[2:13:11] Thank you very much, councel. Um,
[2:13:14] I'm going to go to the members of the
[2:13:16] public. Would anybody in the public like
[2:13:18] to speak on this ordinance?
[2:13:21] Seeing none, I'm going to move
[2:13:23] virtually. Is anybody joining us
[2:13:25] virtually who wants to speak on this
[2:13:26] ordinance?
[2:13:28] Okay, no one's got their hand up, so I
[2:13:30] will close the public hearing at 8:50
[2:13:33] and leave any comments or motions to the
[2:13:36] council. So, just I would commend uh the
[2:13:39] director of planning and community
[2:13:40] development for the summary because it
[2:13:43] was great and made it easy for a complex
[2:13:45] ordinance to understand all of the
[2:13:47] changes and I would move passage of that
[2:13:49] ordinance.
[2:13:50] >> I got a motion uh to pass by council
[2:13:52] Bolio. Do I have a second? I got a
[2:13:55] second by councel Shaw. I'll go to the
[2:13:58] role. Uh councelor Bradley.
[2:14:00] >> Council Mativia.
[2:14:02] >> Yes.
[2:14:02] >> Councelor Shaw.
[2:14:03] >> Council McGill.
[2:14:04] >> Yes. Councelor Swuite.
[2:14:06] >> Yes.
[2:14:06] >> Councelor Bolio.
[2:14:07] >> Yes.
[2:14:07] >> The chair also votes yes. This ordinance
[2:14:09] passes
[2:14:10] >> by a vote of 7 to zero.
[2:14:14] >> Moving down on our next item.
[2:14:17] We are at
[2:14:20] ordinance 26-18.
[2:14:22] We have an ordinance amending chapter 38
[2:14:25] article 3 entitled parking, stopping and
[2:14:27] standing uh of the town of Cumbland's
[2:14:30] code of ordinances presented by the
[2:14:31] council president on behalf of the
[2:14:33] administration.
[2:14:35] I'm going to open the public hearing at
[2:14:36] 8:51.
[2:14:38] Turn it over to Chairwoman Bolio.
[2:14:40] >> Thank you again, Mr. President. So, this
[2:14:42] two was heard um in ordinance
[2:14:44] subcommittee meeting this evening. It
[2:14:46] too received favorable passage on a
[2:14:49] three to zero vote. What this ordinance
[2:14:51] does is it amends um uh the ordinance to
[2:14:56] add uh Hope Street to the list of
[2:14:59] locations for accessible parking
[2:15:02] signage. Um I know councelor Mativier
[2:15:05] did interact with the police department
[2:15:08] to ensure you know this was a right best
[2:15:10] fit. Um we asked that a letter be
[2:15:13] submitted. Uh I think it typically
[2:15:15] accompanies this. Uh, so we'll do that
[2:15:18] as as a as a pending action. Um, but
[2:15:21] again, it received favorable passage.
[2:15:25] >> Thank you, Council Bolio. Before I uh go
[2:15:28] to the public, uh, Mr. Mativity, do you
[2:15:31] want to speak on this?
[2:15:32] >> Um, I did speak with the the chief and
[2:15:34] he is having them send over a letter.
[2:15:37] >> Thank you.
[2:15:38] councel.
[2:15:41] >> I will go uh to the members of the
[2:15:43] public. Anybody want to speak on this
[2:15:46] ordinance? Seeing none, anybody joining
[2:15:48] us virtually, I'm going to close the
[2:15:51] public hearing
[2:15:53] at 8:53. Take any comments or motions
[2:15:56] from the council.
[2:15:57] >> I make a motion to approve.
[2:15:58] >> Counceling the receipt of the letter
[2:16:00] from the chief.
[2:16:02] >> Councel Bolio makes a motion to approve.
[2:16:04] Do I have a second? Second by councelor
[2:16:06] Shaw. We'll go to the role. Council
[2:16:09] Bradley.
[2:16:10] >> Councel Mativia. Councel Shaw. Yes.
[2:16:13] Council McIll,
[2:16:14] >> yes.
[2:16:14] >> Council Sweet,
[2:16:15] >> yes.
[2:16:15] >> Council Bolio,
[2:16:16] >> yes.
[2:16:17] >> The chair also votes yes. The ordinance
[2:16:19] passes
[2:16:20] >> by a vote of seven to zero.
[2:16:25] » Okay, we're moving down now. We are at
[2:16:28] new business. Uh, first we have a claim
[2:16:30] by Mr. Mark Costello. We are referring
[2:16:33] that to the finance subcommittee. I also
[2:16:36] have a claim from Jason Barry. We refer
[2:16:38] to the finance subcommittee as well.
[2:16:42] No, Jahan Miman. I'm going to refer that
[2:16:45] to the finance committee as well. That's
[2:16:47] our third uh third claim. Next on our
[2:16:51] agenda is appointments. The first
[2:16:54] appointment we have is a deputy parks
[2:16:55] and recreation director, Miss Susan
[2:16:57] Clark. Uh mayor, did you want to uh
[2:17:00] comment on this appointment?
[2:17:02] >> Yes. Thank you, Mr. President, members
[2:17:04] of the council. So, Miss Clark has been
[2:17:06] uh in an acting capacity for a little
[2:17:09] while uh and has been doing an
[2:17:10] outstanding job uh and is replacing uh
[2:17:15] the previous deputy parks and director
[2:17:17] up at the lodge McKenzie. So, we'd ask
[2:17:19] you for favorable passage. Thank you.
[2:17:21] Mayor. Does anyone have any
[2:17:24] comments on this before I ask for the
[2:17:26] cool?
[2:17:28] >> Yes.
[2:17:31] >> Oh, okay.
[2:17:34] Why don't you put her on?
[2:17:37] >> Thank you, Susan. Welcome and thank you
[2:17:40] for the job you did filling in when we
[2:17:41] needed you.
[2:17:42] >> Oh, thank thank you very much.
[2:17:46] >> Does anybody We won't keep you, I'm
[2:17:47] sure. Does anyone have any questions for
[2:17:49] the applicant?
[2:17:52] >> Miss Clark, we have no questions for the
[2:17:54] applicant. Your work spoke for itself.
[2:17:56] So, I'm going to take a motion to
[2:17:57] approve this uh appointment.
[2:17:59] >> So, move.
[2:18:00] >> So, moved by councelor Suite. was second
[2:18:02] by councelor Shaw. All in favor to
[2:18:04] approve say I. Any opposed? The
[2:18:06] appointment passes by a vote of seven to
[2:18:09] zero. Thank you for joining us, Miss
[2:18:11] Clark.
[2:18:12] >> Next item on our agenda, we're moving
[2:18:13] down to our senior center assistant. Uh
[2:18:16] we have Miss Tracy Goyette. Mayor M.
[2:18:22] >> Thank you, Mr. President, members of
[2:18:24] council. I don't know if Tracy is on the
[2:18:26] call or not, and I must admit I was not
[2:18:29] part of the uh of the interview process
[2:18:32] here, but she uh received uh the uh the necessary approvals from uh Mr.
[2:18:38] Cwley and and uh chief of staff, and we
[2:18:41] would ask you to favorably act upon the
[2:18:43] appointment of Tracy Goyette.
[2:18:45] >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh I'm sorry, madam
[2:18:47] clerk, you said she was online or no?
[2:18:49] Okay, no problem. Um okay, thank you so
[2:18:51] much. If there's no further question or
[2:18:53] discussion on this appointment, I'll
[2:18:54] take a motion to approve. Miss Goyette.
[2:18:57] >> Motion by councelor Shaw, second by
[2:19:00] councel McIll. All in favor to approve,
[2:19:02] say I. Any opposed? Uh the uh
[2:19:06] appointment passes by a vote of seven to
[2:19:08] zero. Moving down, we have an
[2:19:11] appointment uh for accounts payable. We
[2:19:14] have Kathy Bido. Uh will uh Mayor, did
[2:19:17] you want to handle this one as well?
[2:19:19] >> Miss Bido is actually in attendance. uh
[2:19:21] oh
[2:19:22] >> this evening. So
[2:19:23] >> haven't had the pleasure though.
[2:19:24] Welcome.
[2:19:26] >> Um
[2:19:26] >> yes, this position uh if you're if the
[2:19:28] council remembers was uh was held
[2:19:30] previously by our uh new deputy finance
[2:19:34] director and uh so Miss Bol, we're very
[2:19:37] uh pleased to have her on staff and
[2:19:39] would be uh asking for your approval
[2:19:41] tonight. Thank you.
[2:19:42] >> Thank you, mayor, and congratulations
[2:19:44] and thank you. Uh does anyone have any
[2:19:46] questions for the applicant?
[2:19:49] Hearing none. I'll take a motion to
[2:19:50] approve the appointment.
[2:19:52] >> So move.
[2:19:52] >> So moved by councelor Bolio, second by
[2:19:54] councel McIll. All in favor to approve,
[2:19:56] say I. I.
[2:19:57] >> Any opposed? The appointment,
[2:20:00] congratulations, passes by a vote of 7
[2:20:02] to zero. We're moving down our agenda
[2:20:04] now. We are now at resolutions. We're at
[2:20:06] resolution 26-35.
[2:20:09] We have a resolution authorizing
[2:20:11] empowering Mayor Jeffrey D. M to
[2:20:12] purchase one 2025 Chevy Silverado,
[2:20:15] $1,500 crew cab from Liberty Chevrolet
[2:20:18] and a total not to exceed $49,299.
[2:20:26] Chief Desert,
[2:20:27] >> good evening. Um, so the previous
[2:20:30] resolution back in June, um,
[2:20:34] the Ford F-150 that was listed on that
[2:20:36] resolution, um, was no longer available.
[2:20:39] um we were unable to um find any Ford
[2:20:44] F-150 that met that from any vendor um
[2:20:46] in the New England region. So, uh we
[2:20:49] would have had to order one, but the
[2:20:51] time constraints on the lease are
[2:20:53] required that we had to use that money,
[2:20:55] those funds by the end of uh September,
[2:20:57] I believe, or early September. Um so,
[2:20:59] we're able to locate this 2025 uh Chevy
[2:21:03] Silverado uh 1500, which um is is uh
[2:21:07] certainly will satisfy our needs. Um, as
[2:21:11] far as um, trailering and moving the
[2:21:13] special operations trailer.
[2:21:17] >> Any questions on this, Chief? I'll just
[2:21:19] have one before I go on and look.
[2:21:20] >> Sure.
[2:21:21] >> Um, how many miles
[2:21:23] >> on the new vehicle? It's brand new.
[2:21:25] >> 2025.
[2:21:26] >> Yeah, it is. It is brand new. Yes.
[2:21:27] >> Okay.
[2:21:27] >> Yes.
[2:21:28] >> Oh, so
[2:21:30] >> I asked the same question. Yes, it is
[2:21:31] brand new.
[2:21:35] » Any questions of the chief on this
[2:21:37] purchase?
[2:21:40] Okay.
[2:21:41] >> Thank you, Chief.
[2:21:43] >> The next one's mine, too. So, so
[2:21:45] >> you want to stay right up here then?
[2:21:46] >> Motion to approve.
[2:21:48] >> Second. Do I have a second? Sec. So, I
[2:21:50] got a motion to approve. Uh second by
[2:21:53] Council Shaw. All in favor to approve
[2:21:55] resolution 2635 say I.
[2:21:57] >> Any opposed? The uh
[2:21:59] >> resolution passes by a vote of 7 to
[2:22:01] zero. Moving down with resolution 2636.
[2:22:05] We have a resolution authorizing power
[2:22:07] empowering mayor Jeffrey J. Mutter to
[2:22:09] enter an agreement with Strobes and More
[2:22:12] for the purchase and installation of the
[2:22:13] emergency warning equipment, vehicle
[2:22:16] console,
[2:22:18] accessories, and related uplifting for
[2:22:20] the for a 2025
[2:22:23] uh Chevy El Dorado
[2:22:25] Silverado 1500 and the amount not to
[2:22:28] exceed $18,919.98.
[2:22:32] Chief Desert.
[2:22:33] >> So, this uh this will allow for the uh
[2:22:36] upfitting of the the the deputy's
[2:22:38] vehicle, uh lights, siren, center
[2:22:41] console, um mounting equipment, um etc.
[2:22:47] » Also, uh in installation of a radio and
[2:22:50] antennas, etc. Thank you. Any questions
[2:22:53] of the chief on this purchase?
[2:22:56] Hearing none or no discussion, I'll take
[2:22:58] a motion to approve. So moved by
[2:23:01] councelu, second by councelor Shaw. All
[2:23:04] in favor of approve say I. Any opposed
[2:23:07] purchase is approved by a vote of 7 to
[2:23:10] zero.
[2:23:11] >> Thank you.
[2:23:11] chief.
[2:23:12] >> Thank you.
[2:23:12] >> Next item we're moving down to
[2:23:14] resolution
[2:23:15] uh 2637. We have a resolution
[2:23:18] authorizing powering Mayor Jeffrey J.
[2:23:20] Mutter to engage in uh Me O'Brien Sons,
[2:23:24] Inc. for the purchase and installation
[2:23:25] of equipment at Valley Falls Heritage
[2:23:28] Park in the amount not to exceed
[2:23:31] 86,778.50.
[2:23:34] Mayor M. Oh, I'm excuse me, Miss King.
[2:23:53] All right. So, good evening counselors.
[2:23:56] Thank you as always for your time
[2:23:58] tonight. Um, it was almost two years ago
[2:24:01] exactly to the day that I stood in front
[2:24:03] of you on August 21st to ask for uh the
[2:24:07] approval for the EW Burman contract to
[2:24:10] begin construction at the Amoral
[2:24:12] building. Um, which is interesting
[2:24:15] considering now I stand before you
[2:24:17] asking for approval for this next phase
[2:24:19] of the project. As you all know, the
[2:24:22] Amoral building construction is
[2:24:24] complete. The building is open. It's
[2:24:26] been really successful and and nice to
[2:24:28] see all the programming that people of
[2:24:30] all ages have been able to enjoy in
[2:24:32] there. Um, but as you may recall, and I
[2:24:35] do have a few brief slides, we had two
[2:24:38] kind of funding buckets that I would
[2:24:40] describe for this project. The first was
[2:24:42] the million dollars we had received from
[2:24:44] the community development block grant
[2:24:46] and that million dollars was solely for
[2:24:48] the Amaral building that saw us from
[2:24:51] design through construction of the
[2:24:53] building. Then there was a second grant
[2:24:56] which was through the state and is a
[2:24:58] multi-purpose community learning center
[2:25:00] grant that was $3.1 million. Now, that
[2:25:03] grant allowed us to complete the Amaral
[2:25:05] building, but the additional funds were
[2:25:07] to be used at Valley Falls Heritage Park
[2:25:10] with the idea being that they're so
[2:25:12] close together that it would be a great
[2:25:14] way to invest in the space to try to
[2:25:16] connect those two spaces together. Um,
[2:25:18] so we are able to use the grant funds
[2:25:21] for the park so long as they directly
[2:25:24] and jointly enable education, health,
[2:25:28] and job training.
[2:25:30] Um, so that kind of brings us to where
[2:25:33] we're at right now. When we received
[2:25:35] those funds, again, as you may recall,
[2:25:37] we did a lot of community engagement
[2:25:39] around what people wanted to see at the
[2:25:41] park. And I appreciate everyone's
[2:25:43] support during that process, whether it
[2:25:46] was coming to the community dinner or
[2:25:48] the design workshops. All of those
[2:25:50] things led us to creating a master plan
[2:25:53] for Valley Falls Heritage Park, which
[2:25:56] was always intended to be a long-term
[2:26:00] plan with several phases. The first
[2:26:03] phase being funded by this grant to
[2:26:06] build an outdoor classroom
[2:26:08] um and some connectivity from the
[2:26:10] Emerald Building to the park. Um, so
[2:26:15] there were kind of a lot of
[2:26:16] conversations as you can see from this
[2:26:19] graphic that was made during our
[2:26:20] community engagement about what people
[2:26:22] wanted to see, what was allowed to
[2:26:25] happen at the park with our covenant
[2:26:27] from DEM, which is really about passive
[2:26:31] um, recreation, but a lot of the common
[2:26:33] themes were education, gathering spaces,
[2:26:37] places for field trips with the tourism
[2:26:39] council right there through the
[2:26:41] Blackstone River waterhed. Um, so that
[2:26:44] really is why we focused on getting an
[2:26:46] outdoor classroom space. And as you can
[2:26:49] see, this picture kind of shows you the
[2:26:52] area of the park where the classroom is
[2:26:54] going to be placed. It's going to be
[2:26:56] placed on the main island portion of the
[2:26:58] park. If you're familiar with Heritage
[2:27:00] Park, there had been some discussion
[2:27:02] about um doing kind of amphitheater
[2:27:05] style in the grading. That was not
[2:27:07] feasible. Um, and quite frankly, it
[2:27:10] makes the most sense to do it on the
[2:27:11] flattest portion where people can gather
[2:27:14] and see the water, be close to the
[2:27:16] water. So, that's why we focused on that
[2:27:19] main island space. So, the proposal that
[2:27:21] you see before you from Emmy O'Brien and
[2:27:23] Sons will replace the existing
[2:27:27] uh picnic tables that you see in this
[2:27:30] photograph. will um put a new trash
[2:27:33] recepticle and then in the open space
[2:27:36] that you see on the island. There will
[2:27:38] be a large shade structure. Um there
[2:27:42] will be amphitheater style benches
[2:27:44] placed underneath that shade structure
[2:27:46] and a stage will actually be built and
[2:27:49] installed under the shade structure as
[2:27:52] well. The installer will do grading in
[2:27:55] that area. They will actually be moving
[2:27:57] be removing the gr the grass in the
[2:28:00] square portion where the shade structure
[2:28:02] is to allow for easier maintenance and
[2:28:05] we'll be putting in a compacted granite
[2:28:07] um so that stone so that we're able to
[2:28:10] maintain that space and maintain ADA
[2:28:13] accessibility there. Um, this is this
[2:28:16] doesn't show the stage, but this shows
[2:28:18] you the type of shade structure that
[2:28:19] we're going to be installing the
[2:28:21] benches, the new picnic tables, and the
[2:28:24] trash can. And Emmy O'Brien and Sons was
[2:28:28] eager to help us with this project, and
[2:28:30] we we had a timeline that they were able
[2:28:34] to meet, and they are part of a
[2:28:36] cooperative purchasing agreement, which
[2:28:38] allowed us to engage with them directly.
[2:28:40] The name may sound familiar to you.
[2:28:42] We've worked with them several times
[2:28:44] before, whether on the monastery
[2:28:46] playground, and the school department
[2:28:48] has used them for all of the new
[2:28:49] elementary school playgrounds, which
[2:28:51] have been very successful. So, we're
[2:28:54] just looking to kind of really kick off
[2:28:56] this next portion of the project and tie
[2:28:59] together two really special places in
[2:29:01] Valley Falls. So, with all that being
[2:29:03] said, I respectfully ask for passage and
[2:29:06] I welcome any questions that anyone may
[2:29:08] have.
[2:29:09] >> Thank you, uh, Mr. King. I I do have a
[2:29:11] question if no one else is where's the
[2:29:13] timeline for completion on this?
[2:29:15] >> So everything soup to nuts will be
[2:29:17] installed by the end of October.
[2:29:19] >> Okay. Do Yeah. No. Yeah. I'll be one
[2:29:23] quick
[2:29:25] I'll pass this maybe even on to the
[2:29:27] mayor. We build it. It's there. Do we
[2:29:30] have or will we'll have a program to
[2:29:32] maintain it? I mean, is this something
[2:29:33] the classroom space by a whim that the
[2:29:37] BF Norton can walk over to or are they
[2:29:40] going to be able to call and
[2:29:43] um
[2:29:44] secure
[2:29:46] it and it's clean?
[2:29:48] >> Yeah. I mean, they it's a public park.
[2:29:51] They wouldn't need to call us to secure
[2:29:53] it. I know they do a walking field trip
[2:29:55] usually to the park every year anyway.
[2:29:57] They usually stop at town hall and have
[2:29:58] lunch at the park. Um, we are we
[2:30:01] specifically designed materials that
[2:30:02] were or picked materials that were going
[2:30:04] to be very easy to maintain. That's also
[2:30:06] why we're taking out that grass area.
[2:30:08] Okay.
[2:30:09] >> Um, everything will be installed into
[2:30:11] the ground. It's not movable. Um, the
[2:30:15] shade structure she has in very large
[2:30:18] parks and in cities that haven't been
[2:30:21] damaged and things like that. So, will
[2:30:24] we have to maintain it? Yes. Is it
[2:30:27] something that's specifically designed
[2:30:28] to be very easy to maintain? Also, yes.
[2:30:31] The stage is going to be like that fake
[2:30:34] wood. I can't think of the name. And
[2:30:35] there's going to be an anti-slip
[2:30:37] material put on it. So, it should be
[2:30:38] easy to clean.
[2:30:39] >> I just want to know, you know, if
[2:30:40] they're going to walk down there, as we
[2:30:42] say spontaneously, we're going to hold
[2:30:44] the class there. When they get there,
[2:30:46] are they going to be surprised that they
[2:30:48] can't use it after they move that group
[2:30:50] of kids a few blocks down? That's that's
[2:30:53] all.
[2:30:54] >> Yeah. I mean I we will make every effort
[2:30:56] to maintain it as fast as humanly
[2:30:58] possible.
[2:30:59] >> Mr. Mativia,
[2:31:02] >> thank you. The um the entrance that was
[2:31:04] originally designed to connect it, is
[2:31:06] that not happening at all or just
[2:31:07] postponed or
[2:31:08] >> So um that is part of a a different
[2:31:11] grant that's a streetscape specific
[2:31:13] grant. Um the primary focus of that
[2:31:16] grant um which we're in the works of of
[2:31:19] getting underway is um a crosswalk that
[2:31:24] we've gone back and forth with public
[2:31:25] safety a little bit on exactly where
[2:31:27] that crosswalk should be um and whether
[2:31:29] we can elevate it or not um in terms of
[2:31:32] snow plowing.
[2:31:34] fixing the sidewalks and then having uh
[2:31:38] doing some tree plantings, clearing the
[2:31:40] overgrown brush and creating a more
[2:31:42] visible entryway from that portion of
[2:31:44] Mil Street.
[2:31:45] >> So, there will be an entrance there.
[2:31:47] Okay. And any of the other um So, that
[2:31:50] is I thought it was off the table. So,
[2:31:52] it's it's still
[2:31:53] >> the entry from Mil Street will still be
[2:31:55] happening. And our goal is I mean,
[2:31:58] ideally, I'd love to see the entire park
[2:32:00] redone. Um, we're actively applying for
[2:32:02] grants for other phases, but we're
[2:32:04] trying to take it in manageable pieces
[2:32:06] at a time.
[2:32:07] >> So th those two phases are the ones that
[2:32:09] are going to go forward.
[2:32:10] >> Those are the ones that we have secured
[2:32:11] funding for and we'll be executing.
[2:32:13] >> Thank you.
[2:32:15] councel. Any other questions,
[2:32:17] Miss King?
[2:32:19] >> May I? Just a comment.
[2:32:20] >> Council,
[2:32:21] >> just excited to see this coming together
[2:32:23] and that there's more outdoor spaces to
[2:32:26] welcome the public to. I know how big
[2:32:28] the attendance now is at the Diamond
[2:32:31] Hill Park and the monastery is always
[2:32:33] full of people enjoying the outdoors.
[2:32:36] So, really happy to see this. Thank you.
[2:32:37] >> Yes, us too. Thank you.
[2:32:39] >> Thank you.
[2:32:40] >> Anyone else? Thank you, uh, Miss King.
[2:32:46] » Okay, with that said, if there's no
[2:32:47] further comment, I'll take a motion to
[2:32:49] approve resolution 2637.
[2:32:52] >> So, moved by councel Mativia. It was
[2:32:55] second by councelio.
[2:32:57] >> Yes. And uh I will take for all excuse
[2:33:01] me all in favor say I.
[2:33:03] >> I.
[2:33:03] >> Any opposed?
[2:33:05] >> The resolution passes by a vote of seven
[2:33:08] to zero.
[2:33:09] >> Thank you counselors.
[2:33:10] >> Thank you. Nice uh nice job sir. Um
[2:33:13] we're moving down now to item D. We're
[2:33:17] ordinance for presentation and
[2:33:18] permission to advertise. First one we
[2:33:20] have 20 ordinance 2619. We have an
[2:33:23] ordinance authorizing temporary parking
[2:33:25] on Tower Hill Road on September 7th on
[2:33:29] westbound from 100 ft before pole 60 and
[2:33:32] continuing to poll 61 presented by
[2:33:35] council president Kinch. Uh it's
[2:33:38] referred to the uh ordinance
[2:33:40] subcommittee.
[2:33:42] Uh next um we have ordinance 2620. We
[2:33:46] have an ordinance amendment amendment of
[2:33:48] the code of ordinances amending the
[2:33:50] zoning map thereof with reference to
[2:33:52] Cumberland Assesses Plat 058 lots 81 82
[2:33:56] and 83. We're going to refer this to the
[2:33:58] ordinance subcommittee. Um we are now at
[2:34:01] ordinance 26-21. We have an ordinance
[2:34:04] authorizing the placement of a stop sign
[2:34:06] the intersection of Rapid Hill
[2:34:09] Rabbit Hill Road and uh England Street
[2:34:11] presented by councelor Bolio. We're
[2:34:12] going to refer this to the ordinate
[2:34:15] subcommittee. Um, ordinance 26-22, we
[2:34:18] have an ordinance amending the zoning
[2:34:20] ordinance related to data centers
[2:34:22] presented by counceloruite, also
[2:34:24] referred to the ordinance subcommittee.
[2:34:26] Uh, next we have ordinance 26-23. We
[2:34:29] have an ordinance amending the zoning
[2:34:31] ordinance of the town of Cumberland,
[2:34:32] Rhode Island, presented by the council
[2:34:34] president on behalf of the
[2:34:35] administration. Moving down, we are a
[2:34:38] seven. Uh, we have ordinance 26-24. We
[2:34:41] have an orders establishing a no parking
[2:34:43] zone on Thompson Hill uh Drive, Thomas
[2:34:46] Drive, and Westbrook drives presented by
[2:34:48] councelor Suite. I'm going to refer that
[2:34:51] as well to the ordinance subcommittee.
[2:34:53] No discussion. I'm going to move on. The
[2:34:55] next item is our public comment section.
[2:34:58] If anybody would like to address the
[2:35:00] council, please step to the podium,
[2:35:02] state your name and address for the
[2:35:03] record.
[2:35:13] Yeah, we'll see how far.
[2:35:14] >> All right, let me just get my clock out
[2:35:17] here.
[2:35:19] >> Good evening, council members. I'm Janet
[2:35:21] Preventure. I live at 3383 Mendon Road
[2:35:24] in Cumberland.
[2:35:26] I've written something. It's a little
[2:35:28] later than I anticipated it to be, so
[2:35:30] I'm going to shorten it up a little bit.
[2:35:32] Um, [clears throat]
[2:35:34] I wanted to talk with you tonight about
[2:35:36] flock cameras and flock safety.
[2:35:39] uh and the cancellation of our town's
[2:35:41] contract with flock safety as well as
[2:35:43] the removal of their ALPR cameras. Um I
[2:35:46] reached out to the council via email
[2:35:48] with several articles as well as some
[2:35:49] letters from the ACLU of Rhode Island
[2:35:51] and requested this topic be added to
[2:35:53] this meeting's agenda. Coincidentally,
[2:35:55] just before I sent my email, the ACLU
[2:35:57] sent you an email of their own with the
[2:35:59] same request. um as a woman of from East
[2:36:02] Providence has now filed a federal
[2:36:04] lawsuit against the town for the use of
[2:36:07] their flock cameras to uh allegedly
[2:36:10] misidentify her and lead to her wrongful arrest. So uh I was let I was
[2:36:16] informed I could speak in the public
[2:36:18] comment section. I pushed back because I
[2:36:20] feel like this is a very important
[2:36:21] issue. Um, and I was then con contacted
[2:36:24] by council president Kinch uh that I was
[2:36:27] welcome to speak during the comment that
[2:36:28] we will have a complete review as soon
[2:36:30] as we discuss the town solicitor due to
[2:36:31] the pending lawsuit. Very much heard.
[2:36:35] Um, so as we await the complete review,
[2:36:37] I'd like to speak briefly about the
[2:36:39] dangers of flock safety, what they do
[2:36:41] with our information, and what anyone
[2:36:42] can do with our information and the urge
[2:36:45] the council to do the right thing for
[2:36:47] our town and for our neighbors.
[2:36:49] Uh, for those who don't know, the
[2:36:50] acronym ALPR stands for automated
[2:36:53] license plate reader, which is the
[2:36:54] designation Flock has given their
[2:36:56] cameras installed all around the
[2:36:57] country. However, these cameras capture
[2:36:59] a whole lot more than just your license
[2:37:00] plate. These cameras capture your car,
[2:37:03] your roof and back racks, bumper
[2:37:04] stickers, and even you. At any point, an
[2:37:07] investigator can go into a search system
[2:37:09] cameras use and look up your vehicle.
[2:37:11] They'll then be granted access to every
[2:37:13] photo taken of your car by flot camera
[2:37:15] in the past 30 days
[2:37:17] by cameras in their jurisdiction. This
[2:37:20] means they can piece together your daily
[2:37:21] routine. They can see when you pick up
[2:37:23] your prescriptions at CVS, when you drop
[2:37:25] your kids off at their high school, when
[2:37:26] you fill your gas tank at Cumberland
[2:37:28] Farms. Did I mention that the cameras I
[2:37:30] just listed are all currently active on
[2:37:31] Mendon Road in these exact locations?
[2:37:34] You might think, "Oh, well, if an
[2:37:35] investigator is the only person who can
[2:37:37] see what I've been up to, that must not
[2:37:38] be too bad. not too unsafe. Though you
[2:37:41] may be told that your daily routine is
[2:37:43] not only Though you may be told that
[2:37:45] your daily routine is only to be viewed
[2:37:46] by officers of the law for 30 days after
[2:37:48] the photos were taken, they are far from
[2:37:50] the only people who can see it and for
[2:37:52] only a fraction of the time that Flock
[2:37:54] Safety has granted themselves. Their
[2:37:56] updated contracts now grant them the
[2:37:57] exclusive right to determine and control
[2:37:59] the method, timing, format, and medium
[2:38:02] of access to your data and grant the
[2:38:04] company a perpetual right to it. In
[2:38:06] other words, to do with whatever they
[2:38:08] want forever.
[2:38:11] That information is terrifying in the
[2:38:13] hands of anyone, let alone an
[2:38:15] investigator who may simply be curious
[2:38:16] about you. Curiosity, it turns out, is
[2:38:19] all they need as reason to find you in
[2:38:21] the system. For many search sessions of
[2:38:23] Flock Database, the reason for search
[2:38:26] was simply listed as investigation with
[2:38:28] no further explanation as to why they
[2:38:30] needed to find someone. Days ago, a
[2:38:33] Massachusetts police officer was accused
[2:38:34] of using a flot camera to stalk her
[2:38:35] ex-girlfriend, but inputting her license
[2:38:37] plate into the system and tracking her
[2:38:39] whereabouts. That is unfortunately far
[2:38:41] from the first time and will most likely
[2:38:44] not be the last time an officer
[2:38:46] willfully abuse the system to stop an
[2:38:47] innocent person. These cameras are also
[2:38:49] incredibly easy for an outside party to
[2:38:51] access and with the right skill set in
[2:38:53] network administration and cyber
[2:38:54] security can be routed directly to an
[2:38:56] individual's system at home.
[2:38:59] There are almost no safeguards stopping
[2:39:00] someone from watching your neighbors,
[2:39:02] your kids, or you from the comfort of
[2:39:03] their own home. If you're finding this
[2:39:05] overwhelming and hard to believe, don't
[2:39:07] worry. So do I. The research deep dive
[2:39:10] I've done into flock safety and their
[2:39:11] cameras goes much further than what I've
[2:39:12] mentioned here. And I brought with me
[2:39:14] some printouts of my sources that I have
[2:39:16] also emailed to the council. Um, so you
[2:39:19] can do the research for yourself.
[2:39:21] Uh, if the council is to work in our
[2:39:24] town's best interest, oops, I skipped a
[2:39:26] line here.
[2:39:28] Next year, we are set to renew our
[2:39:30] contract with Flock Safety, which means
[2:39:32] our contract is almost up. So, there is
[2:39:34] still hope. If the council is to work in
[2:39:36] our town's best interest, by this time
[2:39:38] next year, we could be free of flock
[2:39:39] cameras, which, did I forget to mention
[2:39:41] continue to record after contract
[2:39:43] cancellation unless physically removed.
[2:39:46] I digress. I'm here to warn my neighbors
[2:39:48] and the council who represent us of the
[2:39:50] immeasurable danger of flock safety's
[2:39:52] ALPRs and of their chance to ri
[2:39:54] Cumberland of such a threat. I do hope
[2:39:56] after hearing me today looking in the
[2:39:58] eyes of a rightfully frightened citizen
[2:40:00] of Cumberland that you will do the right
[2:40:03] thing when it comes to the time and
[2:40:04] remove block surveillance from our
[2:40:05] streets. Thank you.
[2:40:07] >> And thank you very much.
[2:40:09] >> Anyone else? Clap if you'd like. That's
[2:40:12] okay. [laughter]
[2:40:14] >> That's not a problem.
[2:40:17] We do I I did let uh Janet go a little
[2:40:20] bit longer. We try to keep it around
[2:40:22] three, but uh you know, we're going to
[2:40:24] be a little lenient. and I know this
[2:40:25] means a lot to a lot of people.
[2:40:28] >> Thanks. Uh my name is Jonah Filibar,
[2:40:31] also a resident of 3383 Mendon Road in
[2:40:34] Cumberland. Um I wanted to speak just a
[2:40:37] little bit more on the technical side of
[2:40:39] block safety cameras. Uh I am a
[2:40:42] development and operational engineer at
[2:40:44] a medtech company. So part of my work
[2:40:46] involves vetting software and hardware
[2:40:49] components that are used in medical
[2:40:51] equipment. um just to lend some
[2:40:54] credibility to the things that I was
[2:40:56] going to say. Um one of the big tools
[2:40:59] that I use in determining the safety of
[2:41:02] uh software hardware component is
[2:41:04] whether or not it has an entry into the
[2:41:06] national security vulnerability
[2:41:07] database, which is an open-source um
[2:41:10] database filled with uh discovered uh
[2:41:13] vulnerabilities in software and
[2:41:15] hardware. Um,
[2:41:17] for context, if I find even one
[2:41:20] pertinent entry into the database that
[2:41:22] relates to the device, that is
[2:41:23] absolutely off the table. We can't have
[2:41:25] that sort of risk in a medical device.
[2:41:28] Uh, the last time that I checked, Flock
[2:41:30] Camera has 57 entries and 33 confirmed
[2:41:34] vulnerabilities.
[2:41:37] I have never seen that many
[2:41:40] vulnerabilities for a device.
[2:41:43] Um I was hoping to explain one of them
[2:41:45] in a little more detail uh using words
[2:41:48] that might be in terms that people can
[2:41:50] understand just so you can see how wide
[2:41:52] open they are. Um
[2:41:55] this particular exploitation takes
[2:41:57] advantage of what is called diagnostic
[2:41:59] mode on the camera. Diagnostic mode can
[2:42:02] be entered by repeatedly pressing the
[2:42:03] power button on the back of the camera.
[2:42:05] I want to say ahead of time these things
[2:42:07] were all discovered using the right to
[2:42:08] repair. Um, I'm not divulging
[2:42:12] flock secrets here. Um, they've pretty
[2:42:15] much divulged them themselves. You can
[2:42:18] press the button repeatedly or if the
[2:42:20] camera receives any damage, it will it
[2:42:22] will enter diagnostic mode as well. So,
[2:42:24] you can remove the cell card. The camera
[2:42:26] remain entirely functional, but it will
[2:42:27] enter diagnostic mode. From there, the
[2:42:30] camera will start broadcasting a Wi-Fi
[2:42:32] hotspot. This is intended for
[2:42:34] technicians to access the camera's
[2:42:35] features. Um, among the features
[2:42:38] available from the hotspot are the
[2:42:40] domain name server on port 53, which is,
[2:42:43] if you're not familiar, kind of like a
[2:42:45] road map of the internet. It's how the
[2:42:47] device understands where to reach
[2:42:48] things, meaning a slight edit to that,
[2:42:51] and you can be sending your traffic to
[2:42:53] wherever you like instead of the Flux
[2:42:54] home servers. It includes the HTTP
[2:42:57] server on port 8080, which is a
[2:42:59] transport protocol so vulnerable that if
[2:43:01] you've attempted to click a HTTP link on
[2:43:04] your computer before, your browser will
[2:43:05] warn you, don't click this, your data is
[2:43:08] vulnerable. You are probably about to
[2:43:10] get robbed. If all of that is too
[2:43:12] complicated, and it really isn't, these
[2:43:15] are sort of entry- level concepts in
[2:43:17] network administration. They also just
[2:43:20] explo expose the camera feed directly on
[2:43:22] port 1 2 3 4. The hotspot is password
[2:43:26] protected, but Flock has hardcoded the
[2:43:29] exact same password onto every device in
[2:43:32] plain text. So, it's no small wonder
[2:43:35] that it is common knowledge that the
[2:43:37] password on Flock cameras is with a near
[2:43:40] lethal dose of irony security.
[2:43:43] No capitals, no symbols, the same for
[2:43:47] every camera.
[2:43:49] These cameras are the sloppiest piece of
[2:43:52] hardware I've ever had the misfortune of
[2:43:53] looking into. And I can say with
[2:43:56] absolute certainty that they have not
[2:43:58] passed any sort of third party security
[2:44:00] audit.
[2:44:02] These devices are used by law
[2:44:04] enforcement, a field where a mistake can
[2:44:07] destroy a life or cost the town a
[2:44:09] lawsuit as you know. And I hope that you
[2:44:13] will remove them at the soonest
[2:44:14] possibility and put some serious
[2:44:16] scrutiny into how it came to be. these
[2:44:18] cameras were installed in the first
[2:44:19] place.
[2:44:20] >> Thank you.
[2:44:21] very much.
[2:44:24] >> Anyone else?
[2:44:29] » Welcome, sir. Just again, state your
[2:44:31] name and address for the record.
[2:44:32] >> Only gave myself two minutes, so
[2:44:37] » Hi. Uh my name is Robert Potter. Uh
[2:44:39] resident of 51 Front Street, apartment
[2:44:41] 335. Um, I'm addressing the council as a
[2:44:45] member of Rhode Island Rhode Islanders
[2:44:47] for personal privacy as well as a me uh
[2:44:50] Cumberland resident. Um, speaking in
[2:44:52] support of ordinance number 26-22.
[2:44:56] Um, and I want to thank councelor uh for
[2:44:59] proactively addressing this issue and
[2:45:01] bringing it to the forefront regarding
[2:45:03] data centers in uh potential um zoning
[2:45:07] for data centers in Cumberland. From the
[2:45:10] perspective of a RIP member, uh we do
[2:45:13] oppose data centers across the state. Um
[2:45:17] well, you might ask yourself, how does
[2:45:19] personal privacy and data centers kind
[2:45:21] of mix? Uh it's less on the direct
[2:45:24] impacts of data centers in terms of
[2:45:26] their physical presence, more in the how
[2:45:29] the impact of how data centers are used,
[2:45:32] particularly in terms of uh artificial
[2:45:35] intelligence and AI models.
[2:45:39] um just in terms of like how data is
[2:45:42] collected to build those AI models and
[2:45:45] to train those AI AI models just
[2:45:47] constantly hoovering up uh personal
[2:45:50] information through people's uh internet
[2:45:52] usage as well as just how some end users
[2:45:55] are using those AI models um in terms of
[2:45:58] business use from a the perspective of a
[2:46:01] Cumberland resident um I oppose it
[2:46:03] personally just in terms of the direct
[2:46:06] impacts they have on communities not
[2:46:08] only in the direct energy um increased
[2:46:11] energy costs for user uh other residents
[2:46:14] in the town but also in the long-term
[2:46:18] impact for maintenance costs for upsized
[2:46:21] utilities that are required to m uh to
[2:46:24] meet the demands of these uh AI data uh
[2:46:27] data centers.
[2:46:29] Additionally, there's potential
[2:46:31] increased water usage for some of these,
[2:46:33] but there are al also uh different
[2:46:35] design models that use air cooled um
[2:46:39] technology rather than water cooled.
[2:46:41] That said, those air cooled models do
[2:46:44] tend to have um other impacts,
[2:46:47] especially some AI or data centers that
[2:46:49] use turbine generators which uh present
[2:46:53] uh concerns related to air quality for
[2:46:57] uh surrounding residents as well as
[2:46:59] health effects due to uh increased noise
[2:47:02] um both in the um long-term and
[2:47:05] short-term health effects on that. So,
[2:47:07] in that case, we do oppose them from
[2:47:08] that perspective as well. Thank you.
[2:47:11] for coming down, sir.
[2:47:15] Anyone else can address the town council
[2:47:17] on any topic if they wish.
[2:47:22] Welcome.
[2:47:29] Good evening. Thank you for your time.
[2:47:31] My name is John Downey. I'm from 61
[2:47:33] Pinehurst Avenue, Providence, Rhode
[2:47:34] Island. I'm here tonight on behalf of
[2:47:37] both Rhode Islanders for personal
[2:47:38] privacy and climate action Rhode Island.
[2:47:40] And first and foremost, I would like to
[2:47:43] also indicate my support for uh
[2:47:46] ordinance 2622 as well. I think it's uh
[2:47:49] incredibly insightful. Um as was stated
[2:47:53] just before, uh the environmental
[2:47:55] impacts are
[2:47:57] never overstated. um the water usage,
[2:48:02] the pollutants that are emitted during
[2:48:03] construction and after construction. Um
[2:48:06] the noise has been consistently
[2:48:08] complained about by just about every
[2:48:09] community that's had one built. And
[2:48:13] um the use of turbines has also been
[2:48:15] proven to pollute as well in the
[2:48:17] instances that those are used. Uh as for
[2:48:20] the flock cameras, um I agree with
[2:48:23] everything that's been said already. Uh
[2:48:25] I'm from Providence which is a city that
[2:48:27] has many flock cameras as it is. Um I
[2:48:31] can safely say that uh very few people
[2:48:33] feel safer for having them there. A lot
[2:48:35] of people feel more paranoid. Morale is
[2:48:37] lower. Uh recently it was discovered
[2:48:39] that um similarly to what has been
[2:48:42] stated before, uh these cameras can lock
[2:48:44] onto the Bluetooth signatures put out by
[2:48:47] people's phones. Uh despite the
[2:48:49] company's insistence that that's not the
[2:48:51] case. Um, many police officers,
[2:48:54] including a police officer from Pucket,
[2:48:56] uh, have come forward and expressed
[2:48:58] their concerns involving the security of
[2:49:00] these cameras. And for those reasons,
[2:49:03] um, I am against them being really
[2:49:06] anywhere. So, thank you for your time.
[2:49:09] Have a good night.
[2:49:09] >> Thank you very much for your comments,
[2:49:12] >> sir. Welcome.
[2:49:14] >> Thank you, Mr. President.
[2:49:15] >> It's my my pleasure.
[2:49:21] My name is Randall Rose. Um,
[2:49:23] unfortunately I am also from Providence.
[2:49:26] Um, 20 Lewis Street in Providence. Um,
[2:49:29] but um, and also a member of Rhode
[2:49:31] Islanders for personal privacy like some
[2:49:33] of the Cumberland residents and
[2:49:34] non-residents who have spoken. Um, I
[2:49:38] >> I would came here mainly um to support
[2:49:41] the data center ordinance by
[2:49:43] Councilwoman Suite um, 2622. Um, but I
[2:49:48] feel that as a non-resident for C of
[2:49:51] Cumberland, I really should, um, leave
[2:49:53] it to Cumberland residents to decide on
[2:49:55] this. Um, I think it's great that, um,
[2:49:59] PE residents are speaking up more and
[2:50:01] more in their communities and wanting to
[2:50:03] have a voice. Um, because, you know, um,
[2:50:06] a lot of the national leaders or even
[2:50:09] some of the state leaders have been
[2:50:10] saying, let's just build data centers
[2:50:12] all over the place and not really giving
[2:50:14] local residents a voice. And I think we
[2:50:16] have um more democracy at the local
[2:50:18] level. I think it's really important for
[2:50:21] local residents to decide do we want to
[2:50:23] have these co costs and um repercussions
[2:50:27] from data centers. Um town places that
[2:50:30] have lots of data centers often find
[2:50:33] that the place is physically hotter just
[2:50:35] because it's so hard to cool um a place
[2:50:38] with a thousand computers in it. And um
[2:50:41] each generation of computers takes up
[2:50:43] generates more and more heat. has more
[2:50:45] and more difficulty cooling. Um, I'm a
[2:50:47] former software engineer, so I know
[2:50:49] about that. Um, so I I don't want to be
[2:50:52] heavy-handed. I um but I'm glad that um
[2:50:55] that residents of Cumberland are
[2:50:58] starting this discussion and deciding
[2:51:00] what kind of policy they they want to
[2:51:02] have on data centers because it should
[2:51:04] be up to the residents. Um and I think
[2:51:07] um and I we are not an anti-tech group
[2:51:10] but we believe that the people should
[2:51:12] have a voice um on the the main tech
[2:51:15] issues of our time which includes um
[2:51:17] surveillance cameras, artificial
[2:51:19] intelligence and data centers. Those are
[2:51:21] the three issues we concentrate on. And
[2:51:24] um we um and I didn't have anything
[2:51:27] prepared about flock cameras, but
[2:51:29] usually when a town's flock camera
[2:51:31] contract is up for renewal, I prepare a
[2:51:34] legal analysis of the contract. And I
[2:51:36] have not specifically looked through
[2:51:38] Cumberland's contract yet, but in every
[2:51:40] town's contract I've seen, um, just, um,
[2:51:44] continuing the point that Robert made
[2:51:46] earlier, um, every town's contract I've
[2:51:49] seen, um, bans the town from doing its
[2:51:53] own independent security audit of flop
[2:51:55] cameras. It says you cannot um you
[2:51:58] cannot independently um um look into the
[2:52:03] um device to see what his security
[2:52:06] vulnerabilities are. Um they prohibited
[2:52:08] that legally. Um and that's part of how
[2:52:11] the flop cameras are so unreliable, so
[2:52:14] open to hacking. And of course in modern
[2:52:16] warfare, one of the first things that's
[2:52:18] targeted in modern warfare is they hack
[2:52:20] into these systems. So, um, so it makes
[2:52:23] it open to foreign militaries, hackers,
[2:52:25] and all sorts of people. Um, but I'm
[2:52:28] glad that people are starting this
[2:52:29] discussion, and I realize this this is
[2:52:31] just about putting the one ordinance out
[2:52:34] to advertise, and flock isn't even on
[2:52:36] the official agenda yet, but these are
[2:52:38] going to be important going forward. So,
[2:52:40] thanks for addressing them.
[2:52:41] >> Thank you.
[2:52:43] Anyone else?
[2:52:46] And I will let him I'll just let the
[2:52:48] folks that are uh know that we will have
[2:52:52] um councelor's ordinance in front of us.
[2:52:55] This is as you know this was just to
[2:52:57] advertise it. We will have a public
[2:52:59] hearing on that and of course uh being a
[2:53:02] public meeting you're more than welcome
[2:53:03] to attend uh that public hearing. So we
[2:53:07] have someone uh can I'll finish. I think
[2:53:10] this miss did you want to address the
[2:53:11] council please?
[2:53:15] Just state your name and address for the
[2:53:17] record.
[2:53:21] » Hi. So, my name is Natalyia Rosemill.
[2:53:23] Um, I'm also with Rhode Islanders for
[2:53:26] Personal Privacy and also coincidentally
[2:53:28] I'm a community member in Cumberland.
[2:53:30] Um, I work at 3383 Mendon Road. Um, hi
[2:53:34] guys. Um, I definitely did not intend on
[2:53:38] speaking at all, but I just wanted to
[2:53:40] publicly support um, everything that was
[2:53:43] just said about flock cameras. I was
[2:53:45] here um, about Councilwoman Suites
[2:53:48] ordinance. I wanted to show up in
[2:53:50] support for that. Um, so hopefully I'll
[2:53:52] be back when we are having the public
[2:53:54] hearing about that. Um but I think my
[2:53:57] main point is that just regarding both
[2:53:59] of those issues, data centers and block
[2:54:02] cameras that is has such a big impact on
[2:54:06] the community and community members that
[2:54:09] I think it is um just the one of the
[2:54:12] most important things is that it is the public and the community is
[2:54:17] consulted about these things and that
[2:54:19] their voice is considered in the
[2:54:21] decision to hopefully you guys will be
[2:54:24] considering your decision to renew your contract and
[2:54:28] that the public will have a voice in
[2:54:30] that. I think since we are so deeply
[2:54:33] impacted by
[2:54:35] the presence of flock cameras and the
[2:54:38] potential presence of a data center in
[2:54:40] our community that I think it is just
[2:54:42] it's a public issue all around and I
[2:54:44] just wanted to state that and state that
[2:54:46] I'm I'm glad that it is already being
[2:54:48] proposed. So, thank you.
[2:54:51] >> Thank you.
[2:54:53] >> Anyone else?
[2:54:58] M madame clerk, someone wants to join us
[2:55:00] virtually.
[2:55:15] » Hello, town council. Can you hear me?
[2:55:19] >> Hello. Can you hear us?
[2:55:20] >> Yep. This is Ron Colstrom, 7 Old Forge
[2:55:22] Road.
[2:55:24] Thank you for joining us, uh, Ron.
[2:55:26] >> Yep. No, so one of the things I just to
[2:55:29] add on the flot cameras. So, in 2024,
[2:55:32] the chief of police came, uh, in front
[2:55:35] of the town council and told you guys
[2:55:37] that this was going to be a license
[2:55:39] plate reader, right? And I think most of
[2:55:41] the people that were on the town council
[2:55:42] at the time interpreted that as a um,
[2:55:46] license plate reader that's just going
[2:55:48] to snap photos of your license plate.
[2:55:50] And obviously it's had some pretty good
[2:55:53] um pretty good track record, right? So
[2:55:56] we had a robbery in Attabro and it it
[2:55:59] got to uh identify the person that was
[2:56:01] coming and and committing the crime and
[2:56:03] we found them, right? But there's
[2:56:05] obviously a lot of issues that's going
[2:56:07] to be that we've we've seen. So, I think
[2:56:10] what the town council needs to do, just
[2:56:12] in my opinion, is um bring the chief of
[2:56:15] police back in, ask them a little bit
[2:56:18] more about what the policies and
[2:56:19] procedures are. Obviously, it's not just
[2:56:21] a license break reader with what we've
[2:56:23] been seeing kind of in the news and and
[2:56:26] not knowing what you guys are privy to
[2:56:28] on the police side of things, but I
[2:56:31] think they need to kind of come to you
[2:56:33] guys and say, "Hey, listen, this is what
[2:56:35] we're using it for. If it's a license
[2:56:37] plate reader, that's great. Um, but if
[2:56:40] it's looking at people in the cars, if
[2:56:42] it's storing data longer than you guys
[2:56:44] think, I think there's some questions to
[2:56:46] be asked and uh answers that you guys
[2:56:48] need to figure out. Thank you.
[2:56:51] >> Thank you so much.
[2:56:53] Anyone else?
[2:56:55] Okay, there's no more public comment and
[2:56:58] I want to thank again everybody for
[2:57:00] their uh their input. I'm going to go
[2:57:02] down to the next item and is our
[2:57:03] adjournment. I will take a motion to
[2:57:05] adjurnn at 9:34 by councelor Shaw. Do I
[2:57:08] have a second? Second by councel McIll.
[2:57:11] All in favor to adjourn say I. Any
[2:57:13] oppose? We are adjourned at 9:34 p.m.
[2:57:16] Thank you and thank you everyone.