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Got a hot mic.
Welcome everyone. Um, sorry. I was

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running a little behind from work in
Philly, so I'm just getting myself

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oriented for a second. Um, we're going
to open with our ambulance service

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report.

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Good evening.
For the month of June, 199 calls in KO

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Township. Year to date is 1300 or 1351
calls. Top call types 75 are ALS medical

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31 for BLS medical 22 BLS trauma 14 lift
assist 11 unconscious six ALS trauma

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five MDA unknown
four class 4 mentals three cardiac

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respiratory arrests and three ILS
medical

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78% of calls were transported uh by our
staff 11% were patient refusals and the

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remaining were others or no transports

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hospital vaccinations for the month, 82%
to Reading, 17% to St. Joe's. For the

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year to date is 84% to Reading, 15 to
St. Joe's. Uh, of those calls, 79% of

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them were billable transports. 10% were
billable non-transports, and 11% were

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non-billable. Average shoot time is 1
minute 8 seconds. Average response time

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is 8 minutes 13 seconds for an average
total call time of 56 minutes and 59

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seconds. Any questions I can answer for?

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» I feel like same question I always ask.
Any any change in trends?

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» Not really. Um, we're starting to see
over toward the Lancaster side, we've

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seen a couple measel cases.
>> Um, but uh we got a couple heads up from

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both the dispatch center um and then the
patient as well. But the uh for us

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isolation precautions and such, we all
wear protective masks and everything for

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that and then notify the hospital as
soon as we can. Um and then all our

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employees follow up with employee health
and stuff like that. But outside of

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that, nothing nothing major

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curious what is it?
>> Uh I think Reading as of our last

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meeting, I think Reading Hospital has
dealt with six measles patients. All

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from Kmer or
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» No, just in total. Two of them from
Tower Direct. Uh but both were

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transported from Lanster County from the
Planer communities.

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So,

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» thank you.
Um,

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do I hear a motion to approve the
minutes for the June 16th regular

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meeting and the 22nd June 22nd special
meeting?

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» Make a motion.
>> To approve.

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» A second.
>> All in favor, please signify by saying

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I.
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» I.
>> All oppose.

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Right. Motion carries. Um, moving on to
public comment.

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Looks like we have I'm sorry if I get
anyone's name wrong. Uh, Miss Margaret

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Gumbcker perhaps.
Sorry. Um, no, that's okay. Uh, if you

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could just please state your name and
address into the microphone.

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Yeah. Good evening. Uh, Margaret
Gambida, 29 Hampshire Road.

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Um, what I have to ask you this evening
is who would make the decision if the

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township or our police department were
approached by ICE for voluntary

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cooperation?
That would be a board of commissioners

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decision. Um, the township police
department is not mandated by any law or

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statute to provide any support to to
federal agencies including ICE and

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immigration enforcement. Um, the only
way that the township would do that is

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through a voluntary agreement and to my
knowledge this township does not have

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any voluntary agreement with ICE or any
other federal agency.

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» Thank you.

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» Thank you. Um,
Mr. Schmemell.

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» Thank you.
What? Ron Schmemell, 1028 Freemanville

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Road. Um, back at the June meeting,
there was a report made about the 430

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SMP compliance letters that were sent
out. And I was hoping last month there'd

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be some feedback on that. And I looked
on the agenda for tonight and there's

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nothing on that. And I was just curious,
you know, uh, the township what's what's

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being done, you know, that's like 36%
of the total on lot sewer systems.

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Yeah, I can give you a quick update. I
don't know if if you may have

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» I could answer.
>> Oh, we do have

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» I am here. I am sorry I'm on sick leave.
Um anyway, uh we have had an

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overwhelming
um support with people calling in and

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getting them scheduled and I am happy to
um say that we have had probably about

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150 people already inspected and
probably about another 50 are scheduled.

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So um people are taking it seriously and
we are getting those reports out as soon

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as possible. Um, we are finding a couple
problems, but uh, nothing too major at

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this point.
>> That's great.

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» My update was going to be I know Patty's
on it and she's gotten a lot of action

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on
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here. One of our neighbors unknowingly
had seepage from their septic system

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into their well. They both the husband
and wife became very ill. The husband

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recovered, the wife
her got worse. that went into a coma and

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died all because of contaminated
wellwater. So, I take this serious.

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» You know, it's a health and safety issue
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non-compliant, you know, that kind of uh
raises a red flag. So, that's why I was

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concerned. So, thank you and I'm glad
things are progressing in the right

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direction.
>> Thank you. Um,

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we have a maybe from Destiny Myers.
Would you like to speak?

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Um I I think that's fine. Yeah, we
should it's not We usually get public

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comment up front, but if you're looking
to specifically talk about that, we can

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we can hold off.
That's fine. Um

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okay, I think that's it. Um so yeah.

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Sorry, did I miss you?

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» Oh, I didn't read that as a Y. Sorry.
Uh, yes, please, Mr. Schaefer.

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» Hi, Craig Schaefer. Uh, 41 Rimview Lane.
Um, does the police department ask about

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immigration status during traffic stops,
calls for service, or bookings, and if

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so, under what circumstance?

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So I can address that.
Municipal policing and ICE, two

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different entities, two different
missions, two different goals. We're

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prohibited from requiring uh or
demanding any kind of immigration green

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card or identification whatsoever. So uh
we have never had a practice of doing

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so.
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And
just to be very very quick, I'll I'll

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follow uh Chief Winchester's comment
with uh one thing I've learned about him

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since I've been here uh as a
commissioner is that he is

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extraordinarily focused on the
department's service to the community

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first and foremost. what are our service
levels, how are we responding, and how

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are we taking care of our community?
That is what I think drives Chief

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Winchester, and we're lucky to have him.
So, thank you for for uh your questions.

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Um and thanks, Chief, for doing a great
job. Um moving on, unless I missed

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anyone else, um any update on on
economic development initiatives? any

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thoughts or ideas that need to be
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» Um there there's no new updates per se.
Uh but we did submit the um grant

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application for the Popular Neck Bridge.
So that was officially submitted since

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the last meeting. Uh the grant amount is
uh just over $3 million. Well, actually,

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I'm sorry, it's exactly $3 million. The
total repair is $3.2 million. Uh there's

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no match on the 3 million though, so we
should find out about that later this

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year.
>> Awesome. Anyone else on economic

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development?
>> Okay, I'll turn it back to you, Chief.

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» Thank you. Uh you all should have my KPI
numbers on your tablets. Uh and they're

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actually it's actually displayed on the
board here for the

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uh citizens and in the room here. Um I
don't does anyone need me to go into

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what these KPIs are? I know not everyone
comes to every meeting. Uh essentially

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they're key well what they are is key
performance indicators. So they are uh

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various categories that the
commissioners asked me to identify that

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um I look at every single day and
evaluating our department's efficiency

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and functions. Um so what we have here
is is the first and foremost the most

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important category is self-directed
activity. The self-directed activity is

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going to be essentially described as any
activity that the officers engage in

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which is not uh essentially a 911 call
for service. Um so obviously we we

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receive a lot of calls for service um
and the officers are required to go uh

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obviously to those calls but any call
that uh is generated through

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self-proactivity through self-directed
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um on their own like a traffic stop or
community policing activity which is a

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CPA um if they make a drug arrest or
have a DUI arrest those are all going to

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be selfinitiated activities uh or things
that are done outside of the 911 calls

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for service. Um those numbers should
remain high and what we do is we

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evaluate that based on our yellow level
which is the warning level and then our

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limit level which is red. So uh as long
as that number and those that bar that

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dot stays above well above that yellow
line um I'm happy and I think that we're

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performing well and functioning well. Uh
if it starts to get towards that yellow

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line then there has to be a reason why
and that's when I start looking for what

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that reason is. um whether it's we have
an increase of calls for service so they

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have less time to do self-initiated
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and community events um or uh maybe uh
officers are on vacation and they're not

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here or we're just not performing well
and there's some reason for that and

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that's when I look into it um so
essentially that's uh these graphs are

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going to be the same for each category
our next category is going to be

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training in details training in details
what we do is we perform a large number

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uh and we get a large uh amount of
requests that come in from the general

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public on uh whether it's a um safety
security briefing on their house and

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their home or uh we go to a lot of
churches. We go to a lot of residential,

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I'm sorry, a lot of uh um business uh
businesses to uh conduct training on

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safety and what to do if there's an
active aggressor that would come in and

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more importantly what we what they can
expect us to do if something were to

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occur. Um so this number also
encompasses all of our mandatory

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training that we do every single year.
As you know, we have to uh go through

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firearms training multiple times a year.
We have mandatory inservice training

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where we learn uh um various updates and
laws and areas that the state police

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believe that we should know. Um and we
also do CPR training and self-defense

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training. All those things that we do
every year is all tracked. Um so that

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number is is high. We want it to remain
high. Um and if it drops then we start

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to question as to what occurred.
Uh the next category is going to be uh

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complaints to sustained. Um the reason
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do get, as you can probably imagine, uh
individuals that will come in and that

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they're not happy for various reasons if
they get pulled over and they receive a

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traffic citation. Um they'll come in and
they'll uh essentially want to have us

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look into that, which we consider a
complaint. Um which we do look into

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every uh any every time someone comes in
and wants us to look into something. But

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the mechanism for a traffic citation
complaint is usually through the

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district justice by pleading not guilty
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challenging or uh questioning if someone
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not um by just hearing their side of it.
That's what the courts are for. So we

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track sustained complaints. So when
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discourteous to them and we look into it
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discourteous, that would be a sustained
complaint. So that's what this graph

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check uh tracks.
Thefts I think are pretty

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self-explanatory. Um very very difficult
to control, but when the numbers do

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fluctuate, there's usually a reason why.
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why. Uh and most importantly, we track
where these thefts occur. So if there's

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a trend in a certain area in the
township, that's the most important

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indicator that I look at. uh because
there has to be a reason why uh these

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thefts are occurring in in a small
portion and history has shown that uh

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when when we do receive uh or or observe
trends uh it's usually in localized

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areas um and it could be any where or
anything from an individual that may be

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causing uh issues or strictly location
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victims as well. So we track locations,
victims, and um offenders in this

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category. Uh and then finally is the
repeat calls and that's very similar to

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thefts. Repeat calls usually is a best
indicator that there's a problem. So uh

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for example, this month our high number
is nine. Um that means that one

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particular location called us and we had
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to that same location. Uh fortunately
for us uh this these locations are

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usually the same locations. So this uh
location where we were responded out

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nine times was the sheets on uh on the
pike. So, um, for various reasons,

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whether it be disorderly individuals,
someone uh kind of, uh, staying too long

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in their parking lot, someone uh maybe
caught stealing, whatever the case may

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be, um, we were there nine times. So,
we, this is an important thing to track

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because, like I said, if we start seeing
locations that are um, uh, arriving on

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this repeat call list, there's usually a
reason why, and we need to figure, it's

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my job to figure out why. Um, and we
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uh focus on resolving the problem which
could decrease the number of times our

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officers have to respond out to a
particular location. Um so it's uh it's

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considered problem oriented policing
where we're trying to solve the problem.

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We're not just trying to simply put out
fires and go to the next one and just

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kind of chasing our tails and be
repetitive. So when we get a call for

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service, we want to try and resolve
whatever that resolution looks like. We

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want to try and resolve the problem uh
for whoever's calling us.

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And for for the public's awareness, we
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display the graphs larger at the next
meeting so you guys can see it, you

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know, better. We it's it's a work in
progress. We appreciate all of your

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understanding. Thank you, Chan.
>> Thank you. And as was pointed out uh at

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the last meeting,
the uh in the warnings and the limits

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fluctuate. So, if I'm seeing that
consistently we're well above or well

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below wherever we want to be uh with
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move that uh to to be more accurate in
capturing when something is concerning.

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Um as a police department, we track an
incredible amount of data. Uh every time

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an officer does anything, we track it.
Um and and and uh we keep that data. And

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it's important for me to look at all of
the data, but it's not so important for

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the commissioners to see all that data.
So what I do is I capture what's

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important and provide it to them. But um
if they ever have a question to dig a

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little bit deeper into say for example
uh differentiating thefts and retail

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thefts, I can extract that data and
provide it to them because I get that

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data all the time and I'm constantly
looking at that data um because I

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believe it helps us police smarter. So,
>> dude, I can I just jump in chief real

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quick? I want to also just sort of
clarify that the the key performance

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indicators are something we've rolled
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departments.
Important thing to understand about them

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is that the purpose is to help the
commissioners provide oversight. And I'm

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not a police chief or a fire chief or
and I've never run a township uh public

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works or administrative department. So
what the the key performance indicators

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do for us as commissioner commissioners
who aren't experts in that specific

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domain is give us things that should
help us

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raise red flags or make like alarm bells
go off specifically around how the the

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department is performing. not
necessarily like crime is going up. I

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mean, that's probably something that in
Chief's case is is something we would

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want to know about, but it's more about
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because one of the the principal
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commissioners is budgeting. So, if if
the public works department is is super

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has been super stressed because we've
had immense amounts of snow and maybe

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our our salt reserves are getting low,
those are the things as commissioners we

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want to know about because those are
probably going to be impacting our

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budget and our tax rates and all of
that. So, it helps us have a higher

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level of oversight and and sort of a a
picture of of the overall health and

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performance of our various departments.
So, I'll I'll turn that back to you,

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Chief.
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If there's no other questions about the
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the next item on my agend uh on my
agenda is National Night Out. And this

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just kind of come full circle and close
the loop. We did have National Night

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Out. It was on August 4th. Um it was
this year it was held at the Shillington

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Park uh from 6:00 to 8 which uh the
feedback I received was the the venue

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was uh very um attractive. It was it was
a great event and it was a great place

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to have the National Night Out. So we're
going to try and move forward and just

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grow uh uh National Night Out and
increase participation and try and

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maintain it at that location. Uh we do
hold it in cooperation with Shillington

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uh uh burrow as well as Breock Township.
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Um I'm very happy from what I heard
about how things went. Unfortunately, I

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was not able to be there. Um but uh
moving forward, I I do plan on being

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there every every event. Um and it was a
lot of community engagement. Um and uh

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we're already planning and preparing for
next year. uh in in in doing that. As

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you know, it's since it's a national
event, it's on the same uh day every

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year. Um and I believe that it's
actually on I think it's on the first

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Tuesday of the month of August. So, it's
it's not the actual date, it's the uh

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cycle. So, um that's exciting. Uh our
next event, uh community event that

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we're going to be having, uh we want to
continue to have the trunk or treat

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event. So, we're planning on that event.
Um and and we're kind of toying with the

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idea of possibly um requesting the the
commissioner's blessing to uh

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potentially have that event on campus.
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are are are pretty good uh for that. Um
and we can also maybe bribe the fire

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chief to see if we can have it on one of
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and have a nice big open area there. Uh
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uh that would be a good event. Um, and
we we're going to try and look at that.

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The one thing we do if we do bring it on
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cooperation with the PTO at uh Mifflin
Park and uh which does attract a a good

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number as well. So, we're kind of, you
know, checking to see what will be best

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for us and and try and get the best uh
participation in that event. So, that

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there's more to come on that uh and
that's usually in October.

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So,
and uh at this point, if there's any

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other questions, um since we do have a
large number of people in the audience,

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I will take my time just to to give a
quick uh PSA that frauds are still

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through the roof in the township. Um if
you receive a call that you missed jury

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duty, um even if you miss jury duty,
that doesn't mean you have to pay a fine

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in Bitcoin. So, if someone calls you and
says you missed jury duty or they're a

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sheriff, uh that uh you you never paid a
fine um or that they are from the IRS or

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the FBI or Kumu Township Police
Department or Kumu Township Board,

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no matter who it is, if they're a
governmental entity, they will never

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require you to pay in gift cards,
Bitcoin, or anything over the phone or

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over the computer. Um, that's the
immediate red flag. If they start asking

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you questions, if it if it's uh a
financial institution that claims to be

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your financial institution and they're
uh asking you for PIN numbers and

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account numbers, uh they will never do
that. Um uh so if if that ever happens,

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please um immediately give us a call. Uh
I'm not saying that we're going to be

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able to arrest somebody um as a result,
but what I am saying is we can reassure

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you uh that it is a fraud. It's not
real. They can be very very convincing.

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They've almost convinced my family in
the past. They've almost convinced me in

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the past. Um so they are very
convincing. Don't feel um embarrassed at

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all. It it happens. We just want to
eliminate it. And when I'm talking about

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frauds are through the roof, I'm talking
about uh significant amounts of money

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that you earned that hard uh you know,
working individuals earned in the

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thousands and thousands of dollars
that's being lost that we're

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investigating that they'll never get
back. Uh so please, Bitcoin's the big

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one. They nobody will accept Bitcoin
ever. So don't don't fall for that. So

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» Hey Chief, real quick, I don't know if
you would mind. Uh there's been a lot of

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discussion on flock cameras. I don't
know if you'd mind giving like a quick

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overview on what they are and if they're
in usage in Kar Township. Yes. Um I'd be

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happy to. So I do have some talking
points on that because I thought it

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might come up
and I'll pull these up right now. First

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and foremost, I will say that um there
are no flock cameras in Kumer Township.

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Not one flock camera in Kumer Township.
We do not utilize flock cameras. Uh even

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if we had uh a camera, a flock camera
close, we do not utilize flock camera.

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We don't have any agreements with flock
cameras. So I can't specifically speak

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to what flock cameras do or how they
operate um other than telling you that

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we don't uh utilize them, nor do we
request information from flock cameras.

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So, one of the things we do do uh is we
have an agreement with a company that's

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uh um in this area stretching down to
Philadelphia out to Pittsburgh and the

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tri-state areas and it's considered it's
what is called Viper. Um they are

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cameras. However, they don't operate
like flock cameras. uh the cameras that

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that uh we request information from. Um
and I'll get into what we need and

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require in order to get information a
request uh from these from this company.

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The cameras only capture uh a
registration plate on a vehicle and then

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a brief I guess description of that
vehicle based on where the plate is. Um

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there is no IIA involved. There's no
facial recognition involved. Um, it's

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simply a captures and timestamps when a
particular license plate will travel

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through an intersection that has that
camera set up, a Viper camera set up. We

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do not have any Viper cameras in the
township. Um, there are Viper cameras

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all around our township, but we don't
have any in Kumaru Township. Um,

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in order to obtain data from a a camera,
a Viper camera,

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uh, the officer must or the investigator
must provide justification as to why

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they're obtaining that information. So,
there must be an active investigation or

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a reason that that that officer is
requesting it. So, uh, an assignment

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number will need to be provided and, uh,
that's the first checks and balances.

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Second checks and balances is through
our system that uh is is uh regulated

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through the state, the clean system
where that provides the information on

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who owns that registration plate and
what registration plate, what vehicle

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that registr registration plate belongs
on. [clears throat] That's all audited

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on a regular basis. And there's certain
uh measures they have in place that for

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example if I were to run a
commissioner's license plate that would

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immediately send a red flag an alert
because I work for Kumri Township and

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they would send that to uh our systems
me and our systems analyst and demand

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essentially um us look into it and
explain why that plate was run. That's

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pretty much with most dignitaries or
most uh uh elected officials, any kind

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of uh undercover uh operations,
vehicles, police vehicles, those are all

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captured uh and protected and watched.
uh the state police essentially are the

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regulators of that system and they have
a number of individuals that that's what

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they do on a regular basis to the point
where if we were to run a license uh I'm

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sorry a driver's license. Um we've been
notified in the past that an a

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particular officer ran their own
driver's license and that's a violation.

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They can't do that. So, that was caught
immediately in an audit and sent to us

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and we had to provide uh and show the
Pennsylvania State Police that we uh

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took action uh and explained and
whatever that action was disciplined the

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officer for running their own driver's
license. You can't do that. So anytime

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like a search would be generated from
Madison Winchester and it would be on

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someone else that with the last name of
Winchester that would be a red flag and

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they would send that to us.
Um so that's another uh system I'm sorry

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a check and balance that's involved with
um uh when a license plate is captured

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or requested uh that is requested uh
when the uh a registration plate runs

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through that camera. Although it does
capture the data, it does not print it

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out and distribute it. So the only uh
way you can uh retrieve that is if you

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request it. Um if that makes any sense.
So it's really no different than an

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officer that would be sitting at an
intersection uh running every single

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registration plate that would run
through that intersection on their uh

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mobile computer. um there's no
difference uh in that it can be done but

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there must be justification as to why
it's being done. So we know and we can

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track anytime an officer is doing that
and they have to have justification

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whether it's a uh there for for a
particular reason particular

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investigation. Um so there's it's a it's
a great checks and balance and audit

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system that's in place to prevent
misuse. Ultimately, I know the the uh

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the concern for right now out there,
these cameras, one of the concerns is uh

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the abuse that uh potentially and has
happened in certain situations with

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these flock cameras. Um, and I can tell
you that we are taking every precaution

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even though we don't have these flock
cameras and they don't operate like

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flock cameras and we keep we don't do
real-time surveillance that we we uh

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doing our best to put the the checks and
balances in to limit any kind of abuse

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and uh if anything were to occur occur
that would be concerning to us, we take

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immediate action um even if the state
would not notify us. Um

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that is essentially
um what we can capture and what data we

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can request and gather. Um and I'll just
end it with a quick story uh of the

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success of of of these cameras. Um we
had a sitting commissioner that a few

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years ago uh her and her husband um
rented a U-Haul truck and uh they

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traveled into the city of Reading,
rented the truck, took it uh did their

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thing and and brought it back. While
they were traveling back in through the

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city, their registr the registration on
that U-Haul uh alerted Reading Police

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that it was a stolen license plate. They
were pulled over. Uh the husband who was

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operating the vehicle was was taken out
by gunpoint, put on the ground because

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they don't know who they're dealing with
and detained until they could sort out

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what was going on. Turns out the license
plate was stolen. Um we were called

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immediately and we were able to go into
the system and actually track and locate

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exactly when that registration plate was
stolen. And it was determined that it

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was it was found that the reg plate
registration plate was switched out and

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a stolen plate was placed on the U-Haul
truck while it was on their property in

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the city unbeknownst to them. So in that
particular situation, it exonerated the

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individuals who were traveling and
driving that uh with a that vehicle with

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a stolen license plate. So there is
value and I could go through a thousand

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other stories um where these particular
this particular data has assisted

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investigations
but um I won't waste your time and I

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will say that this system is is more
valuable to us for those investigations

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than the regular officer on the street.
Um because the regular officer on the

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street, we want them focusing on calls
for service and being proactive in areas

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that uh are are experiencing high levels
of calls, not just at a random

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intersection because somebody uh runs
through and their license plate is

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alerted that their registration is
expired. Um that's not something we're

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we're focusing on or we're interested
in. Um, so it's more valuable to us,

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like I said, with the investigation
aspect of things.

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Is there any questions?
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flock?
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from what from what I understand, flock
cameras, they do more than Viper. They

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provide the element of real time um
viewing and and and and tracking, if you

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will. Um, like I said, I can't really
speak to that because we don't we're not

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involved with Flock

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somewhat I can somewhat answer your
question. I don't know Flock or Viper

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cameras specifically, but I do know some
of the um

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computer vision stuff and it's really a
software thing and it's all proprietary.

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Mostly the camera itself is just a
camera. the computer on it. It is

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[clears throat] running proprietary
software that's patented by Flock or

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whatever the company is and that's
what's doing like the analysis and such

410
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:44,399
that they're charging all the money for
and people are up in arms about. So the

411
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:48,599
short answer is no. Not really. You
couldn't swap one out.

412
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:57,480
» That's all I have. There's no other
questions. Thank you. Sorry I take up so

413
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:57,480
much time.

414
00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:10,480
» Moving on to Chief B and the fire
department.

415
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:14,160
» Uh good evening
public and commissioners. Uh you have my

416
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:20,240
KPIs.
Um I I'll keep I'll keep it short

417
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:25,119
tonight. They're green, which is good.
Um, and uh, the training hours are

418
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:29,359
should start to level out here. We had a
few people that were in some classes at

419
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:34,320
40 hours a week. That tends to jack the
numbers up. So, um, if there's not any

420
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:38,480
more questions, I'll keep things moving
here because it looks like we have a

421
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:43,520
pretty heavy agenda here under some
other sections.

422
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:49,680
Um, item B under mine is I'm looking for
a motion for uh, final pay 21 for HP

423
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:53,480
Frasier.
uh totaling $10,000.

424
00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:04,240
Do I hear a motion for pay application
21 HP Frasier for $10,000?

425
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,480
» I'll motion. I'll second.
>> All in favor, please signify by saying

426
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,520
I.
>> I.

427
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:12,960
» I. All opposed.
>> Motion carries.

428
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,560
» If there's no further questions, that's
all I have for the seat.

429
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:23,240
» Thank you.
>> All right. Um moving on to

430
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,240
administration Peter

431
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:34,880
is basically no change uh in terms of
refu

432
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:42,520
recycling contract. Would you like me to
read all of the bids or just the uh

433
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,520
staff recommendation?

434
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:51,440
I think
where the pub public

435
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:55,920
» let's let's get all of them out there.
>> Uh bid one which is a mechanical

436
00:36:53,920 --> 00:37:03,160
collection in the in the bulk of the
township. Uh JP Mascara was

437
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,160
$1,390,000922.

438
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:16,000
Uh the AJ Benski was $98,000
922.

439
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:19,000
Waste management was $912,000
$86160

440
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:28,800
for uh refuge collection in Flying Hills
using the contractor's

441
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:37,960
uh containers.
Uh Mount's dispos disposal was 56,000.

442
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,960
Jack's disposal was $92,445848.

443
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,839
Mascara was $211,584

444
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,760
and AJ Basinski was $162,30.

445
00:37:51,760 --> 00:38:03,119
Bid three for the mechanic option A,
which is mechanical collection for the

446
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:06,359
bulk of of the township. Uh JP Mascara
was $650,16.

447
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:12,200
Uh AJ Basinski was $391,146

448
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:17,000
and waste management was $611,200.80.

449
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:27,680
Option B was for the manual collection
of uh recycling in the in the bulk of

450
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:30,680
the township. Uh Jack's disposal was
$474,440.440.

451
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,480
Uh JP Mascara was $567,516

452
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,480
and AJ Basinski was $379,890.

453
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:51,920
Option C was for Flying Hills the manual
collection using the collector's uh

454
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:56,520
containers.
Uh Jack's disposal was $61,45356.

455
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:04,520
uh mascara JP Mascara was $121,752

456
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,560
and AJ Bosinski was $58,920

457
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:18,720
and option D which was uh recycling
manual collection using uh township

458
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:24,680
containers was Mount's disposal was
$69,000.

459
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,680
Jack's disposal was $56,95356.

460
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,920
Uh JP Mascara was $121,752

461
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,119
and waste management was 58 thou,920.

462
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:47,440
Now I'll read the staff recommendation.
Uh

463
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:52,800
the a mechanical collection of refu
recycling placed at the curb line.

464
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:57,200
96gallon
uh wheeled containers provided by the

465
00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:07,960
contractor for weekly refuge collection
and every two week recycling collection.

466
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:07,960
AJ Benski for refugees bid 1 98,922

467
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:17,040
AJ Basenski bid 2
or bid three option A which is the

468
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:22,280
mechanical collection
uh for recycling is $391,146.

469
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:31,119
The bid for manual collection of
recycling which was bid option 3B

470
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:35,040
uh using township containers is slightly
lower than mechanical collection but we

471
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:39,119
are recommending a complete change to
mechanical collection. If the board

472
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:44,000
would prefer manual collection of
recyclables using township containers

473
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:51,880
rather than mechanical,
uh, the choice would be AJ. Basinski,

474
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,880
bid 3, $379,890.

475
00:40:52,640 --> 00:41:00,079
B, manual collection of refues and
recycling from Flying Hills. The bid for

476
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:06,160
manual collection of refugees from
Flying Hills using contractor containers

477
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:13,359
is mounts disposable 56,000.
Two, the bid for manual collection of

478
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:17,760
recycling from um Flying Hills using
contractor containers is slightly higher

479
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:22,640
than the manual collection using
township containers. But the savings and

480
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:27,119
administration and public works in time
spent dealing with damaged replacement

481
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:32,000
and distribution of township containers
led to our recommendation for use of

482
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:38,040
contractor provided containers. That's
AJ Broinski recycling bid 5 $58,920.

483
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,839
If the board would prefer manual
collection of recycling using township

484
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:49,319
containers, the choice would be Jack's
disposal bid 3 option D $56,953.

485
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:58,240
And then a note uh section two
subsection A subsection

486
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:02,400
F of the bid specifications general
conditions and instructions to bidder

487
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:06,480
states the following. The township
reserves the right to award individual

488
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:10,800
bids to separate biders based on the
lowest bid and the board's decision as

489
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:14,280
to which bid or bid option will best
serve the residents.

490
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:22,400
So, I got to jump in here and disclose a
conflict that I have. So, I've been

491
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:26,880
instructed by my employer to abstain
from voting on the selection process. I

492
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:30,800
have a a direct business relationship
with one of the contractors. Um, I am

493
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:35,359
permitted though to ask general
questions about the process. So, from a

494
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:39,119
process perspective, the one thing that
jumped out at me is we heard for a long

495
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:44,000
time that manual collection is more
expensive than automated collection.

496
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:47,200
Yeah, when we got the recycle bids, auto
manual collection is actually cheaper.

497
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,520
Um,
>> on that.

498
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:54,800
» Yeah, it kind of jumped out at me and
makes me wonder if manual collection on

499
00:42:51,680 --> 00:43:04,480
the trash would also be less expensive.
>> Now, I I did ask the contractor about

500
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:10,400
that. Uh, and basically two things. one
recycling is every two weeks plus they

501
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:16,079
would have to
uh purchase all of the containers for

502
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:22,480
every two week collection
and bottom line is they were trying to

503
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:29,760
win the bid and they can put any amount
they want in the bid and they did.

504
00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:33,119
» All right. So, if I'm following, it
sounds like you're saying that because

505
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,599
the the uh containers are in there,
that's what's driving the price. So,

506
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,800
» part of it,
>> if we didn't have to buy the containers,

507
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,319
then the manual collection would be less
expensive.

508
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:44,880
» Say yes.
>> Okay, that makes sense. So, it's kind of

509
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,920
like a one-time hit, but the next
contract, it would be lower then.

510
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,680
» It should be.
>> All right. Do we know how much the

511
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:55,680
containers make up of that price?
>> I don't, but we they have a four-year

512
00:43:53,839 --> 00:44:00,640
contract. I know they they can
depreciate those. This is four years for

513
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:05,119
sure. Yeah.
I mean, I'll just kind of speak in

514
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:08,880
general. I mean, if it if it was close,
um, I'd almost lean towards going manual

515
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:14,000
because like, why make the change if
it's not that big of a difference? But I

516
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:18,760
I don't know if we we know that amount
because we don't know the container cost

517
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,760
in there.

518
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:24,319
Just kind of a general comment to
everybody. And the reason I say that

519
00:44:21,839 --> 00:44:28,160
about it being close, uh, it's going to
be a big change going to automated

520
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:31,119
collection. We've heard from uh Spring
who's the only one in the area. I know I

521
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:35,680
think that's someone automated that it
takes time for people to get used to

522
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:40,240
that. Um so even if it would be a little
bit more for manual but but it was still

523
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:45,040
close. It's probably worth not dealing
with the headache.

524
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:50,880
» It's you're going to find that in the
future you may not have much choice.

525
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,440
» We also heard that a couple years ago
too.

526
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:57,119
» If you look around you're going to find
that that is true.

527
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:05,520
Yeah, I don't have much further comment.
I think I would agree with you. In the

528
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:14,800
absence of the data, I think it's hard
to say if manual would be better, but um

529
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:20,480
I think I would agree too like a
headache is is a cost worth considering.

530
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:27,520
Um, and if it were close, I think it
would be not necessarily a cut and dry

531
00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:35,200
decision. In the absence of that
information, I guess

532
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:41,040
do we need to is there a way you could
foresee us getting

533
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:45,280
that information? Like what?
>> I guess you'd have to re you'd have to

534
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:50,800
bid manual trash. We didn't bid manual
trash and see if it is close. Yeah.

535
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:54,720
I mean, I think we we would have time
for that, correct? Or no,

536
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:59,440
» you have some time, but it's going to
take a while to put all this stuff in

537
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:04,079
place and distribute containers, get
them get them delivered, get them

538
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:10,079
distributed.
We have to, but you you know, it's it's

539
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:13,599
August, so you wanted it in July. I
wasn't able to do that, but we got it in

540
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,359
August.
>> So, you could delay it if you want. I I

541
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:23,040
just wonder if we could give maybe a
manual trash boot um for the whole

542
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:27,760
township and then see what that looks
like because then we wouldn't have to

543
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:33,040
spar splice out flying hills either. We
could just do literally everybody.

544
00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:36,960
Um it could be an exercise in futility.
Maybe when we do that we find out that

545
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:43,280
the numbers drastically different. But
the the recycle thing is you know that

546
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:47,839
jumps out at me. It's it's literally
lower. And as I was saying, I know Andy

547
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:51,200
Lee and I heard this for years that
nobody was going to do it. They're only

548
00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:55,599
going to do automated. It's so much
cheaper to do it that way. And then we

549
00:46:52,720 --> 00:47:01,760
get the bids and manuals less expensive.
>> It's the board's choice. But I just

550
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:04,560
caution you, if you wait too long,
you're going to have a problem.

551
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:09,040
» Well, we'd have to get to the bids
quickly and we'd have to have them in

552
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:12,560
for September. I don't know. Can can we
pull that off or is that too tight?

553
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:16,720
» You would have to deny. You'd have to
refuse all of these bids and rebid the

554
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,480
entire package plus a manual component.
Just so you know,

555
00:47:17,839 --> 00:47:22,640
» that's what you
>> I'm sure you know that, but [laughter]

556
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,240
just so the board knows too.
I

557
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:28,800
» mean, this is a curveball we didn't see
coming or well, I shouldn't speak for

558
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:33,680
everybody, but I didn't see this coming.
>> I guess what concerns me with the with

559
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:38,160
that is
there's nothing assuring us these bids

560
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:44,000
don't change. we were to subsequently
rebid. And

561
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:50,880
at that point,
all of these folks sort of know what

562
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:56,720
we're doing. I wonder if it's worth even
sort of trying to go back to the well.

563
00:47:54,400 --> 00:48:00,079
» Um,
something

564
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:02,800
» you're welcome to come up and and and
offer a comment. Yeah,

565
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:07,440
» as long as it's brief.
>> Yeah. No, it is about the trash colle. I

566
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:12,960
just think that the ma, you know, being
that we have so many twolane roads in

567
00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:16,880
the township and I see how fast they go
when they do the manual collection and

568
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:20,480
if you ever been somewhere like in
Sinking Springs or whatever, you know,

569
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:24,720
they got to sit there and put the arm
out and grab it and dump it and and it

570
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:28,480
just seems like it would go so much
quicker and not tie up the roads

571
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:32,240
because, you know, we have a lot of
two-lane roads in the township. I just

572
00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:35,680
want to make that point and I just think
it would go much quicker. going to be

573
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:39,119
safer, you know, because drivers, they
want to they're all in a hurry and they

574
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:42,960
want to get around everything and could
lead to more accident.

575
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:49,440
» I think you're right, uh, Mr. Schmal.
Uh, but as an automation engineer, what

576
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:53,599
I'll tell you is a robot working 24
hours a day

577
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:57,920
» is more efficient than
>> and I'm not saying it's a good thing,

578
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:03,760
but I think that's how companies have to
pay for health insurance and and all of

579
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:07,680
this stuff perceive it is
>> it's okay if it takes an hour longer if

580
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:13,119
you only have to pay one person instead
of four. That's I don't know. That's not

581
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:20,240
me. Maybe that's not how they perceive
it, but just a guess. Um,

582
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:23,720
so I mean, I hate to reopen the can of
worms, but

583
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:33,680
it it's a big it's an absence of data.
>> Yeah. I mean, I'd almost feel bad doing

584
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:38,160
it without knowing what I'm choosing.
Um, I don't know. I'm doing a lot of

585
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,400
talking. I don't know what everybody
else thinks.

586
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:53,040
Well, the only possible conflict was it
a company that you're associated with is

587
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,720
low bid.
>> I mean, is high bid. That's

588
00:49:55,200 --> 00:50:01,520
» I mean, I'm not going to I'm not going
to be select either way. We're just

589
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:04,760
talking process at this point.
>> I know.

590
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:12,079
If you could just please uh
state your name and address in the

591
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:18,160
microphone.
>> Beth McGeian 7B Olympic Drive Flying

592
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:24,240
Hills. I just have a question. Why such
a huge disparity in the bids? 56,000

593
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:29,920
like the 211,000.
I mean, they all had criteria, didn't

594
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:37,520
they? Which to bid, the same amount of
pickups, etc. It just seems unreal.

595
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:44,720
Some some biders aren't that interested
in it and bid high in case nobody else

596
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:50,319
bids. Other bidders really uh
arbitrarily cut certain things so that

597
00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:55,440
they have a chance to get it uh and and
increase other things. I mean there's

598
00:50:52,160 --> 00:51:00,319
there's no rationale for how people bid.
>> And I just knew the history of these

599
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:05,040
places that bids you for now.
So, so, so you're aware, um, the

600
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:10,720
township is currently served by AJ
Buinski, right? Um, and then there are

601
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:16,079
some other names on here who who others
may be familiar with. Um, but it could

602
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:21,200
be operating costs are different for
these various contractors or just

603
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:25,280
different motivators. Yeah,
>> it's just crazy.

604
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:29,280
Thank you.
Um, I guess any comment from

605
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:33,880
[clears throat]
anyone else on the board? Um,

606
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:42,119
» oh,

607
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:51,359
what' I do? I turned it off. Okay. Um, I
tend to agree with Greg here if we would

608
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:55,520
have enough time to pull it off to get
the other bids.

609
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:05,440
you know what's um what's the uh you
know sounds like a pretty involved

610
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:10,720
process at this point if we you know
like what are our our time horizons for

611
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:13,440
if so Kelsey what you said is we'd have
to

612
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:16,400
» resend
the

613
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:21,440
» you would have to reject all of the bids
and then Peter would have to put

614
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:26,079
together new bid specs that include the
manual collection for the entire

615
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:31,680
township as another bid often and then
re- bid, have another pre- bid meeting,

616
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:35,680
» advertise it, have another pre-bid
meeting, wait for the bids to come in

617
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:39,359
and then present those bids against the
board. So, I'm not sure

618
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:44,400
» what, you know, how long that would take
Peter to recreate his bid specs. I know

619
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:49,480
you put a lot of time and effort into
the original, but it would just be one

620
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,480
more option, I guess.

621
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,960
Yeah,
>> right. All you're going to refuse these,

622
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:02,079
but everyone knows what everyone else
did.

623
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:09,640
» Yeah.
>> Did they try if the bits lower?

624
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,640
» You never know.

625
00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:25,119
» Yeah. Yeah. I'm like you, Greg. Um, I
was taken by surprise to see that,

626
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:32,319
you know, they weren't as
like as as far as recycling bids, they

627
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:35,920
were not as dramatically
less.

628
00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:39,920
Were they automated?
If you wanted to do it, it would be the

629
00:53:38,319 --> 00:53:46,559
same
the same package with the addition of

630
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:51,839
this manual collection. Now, I guess I
guess just thinking about this, the

631
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:56,559
refues the board could technically
accept bids for and you could just redo

632
00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:01,400
the trash bids, but I think that would
sort of mess up if the companies want to

633
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,400
do both.

634
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,640
If they
>> didn't

635
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:21,760
» I was talking about Sorry, I was talking
about the recycling bids.

636
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:27,520
» That's Yeah, they have that. But it may
change it may change what the contractor

637
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:33,119
would bid on the the manual refugees
accepting the recycling bid today and

638
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:37,599
just re and just rebidding the refuge
bid. Do you understand what I'm saying?

639
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:43,800
» Peter, do you mind just turning the mic
on? If that's all you had, it's fine.

640
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,960
more

641
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:03,480
» and then re refuse the

642
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:23,760
» but I think there would
Bid number one would remain. Bid number

643
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:28,480
two would remain if they're not going to
be doing fully manual. And then there

644
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:33,920
could be a bid three for entire township
manual including flying hills.

645
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:40,520
Does that make sense?
So mechanical collection for the

646
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:40,520
township minus flying hills

647
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:47,599
but manual for flying hills. And then
another option where it's manual

648
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:52,200
everywhere,
>> right?

649
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,200
» Right.

650
00:55:53,359 --> 00:56:01,839
Um, yeah, I just looked up the price of
the toers very fast and it it looks like

651
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:06,880
they're anywhere they're in the ballpark
of $150, let's say. I don't And that's

652
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:10,799
like the retail price, so I wouldn't I
would hope. So, they're going to be

653
00:56:08,319 --> 00:56:15,480
cheaper. There's 5,000. Is that our
number?

654
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,480
Okay.

655
00:56:26,319 --> 00:56:36,559
If there's a way uh that we can
confidently get it specifications that

656
00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:42,880
give us better data in the time within
the time horizon we need it. I'm all for

657
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:48,640
it. I guess that's
question. The other thing I think and

658
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:53,680
we'll we'll come to this a little later
is uh

659
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:56,839
whether or not you will have the time to
do this.

660
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:02,000
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. whether that's something

661
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:06,960
well
>> I mean the point that Peter the point

662
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:12,720
that Peter's making is that so when you
look at recycling specifically um let's

663
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:19,200
just look at Bzinski as an example you
know it's let's call it you know 15,000

664
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:24,319
20,000 more uh just roughly there there
is container costs buried in there that

665
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:29,760
the contract is is paying the question
is how much um you know I know the

666
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:35,200
retail price is is significantly higher
than than that. If you if you'd assume

667
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:38,799
even a fraction of that price,
you know, it's it's a first contract

668
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:44,520
problem. The second contract would be
significantly lower. So, we're not doing

669
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,520
an applesto apples comparison.

670
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:51,200
I guess it's it's a rambling way of
saying like even though the bid is

671
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:54,799
higher, it might just be higher the
first time and then it could be

672
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:58,319
significantly lower the second time
around once everybody has the

673
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:00,400
containers.
I don't know if that's making sense what

674
00:57:59,839 --> 00:58:05,680
I'm saying.
>> It makes sense to me. You buy them once

675
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:12,400
this there might be a couple of them
that break down, but by and large these

676
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,880
heavy duty trash cans are going to be
around by the time the next contract

677
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:19,119
comes around.
>> And I I would be willing to guess that

678
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:24,559
that delta is bigger than the difference
between 379 and 391.

679
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:28,559
So there's I don't know how far that
down that goes down, but if you would

680
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:32,799
eliminate the containers that option A
goes down pretty significantly probably.

681
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:37,079
So it would be cheaper once you
eliminate the containers from

682
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:37,079
consideration.

683
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:45,160
So I don't know if that just talked us
out of what we were just talking about

684
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:45,160
or if that talked us into it.

685
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:55,359
I just don't feel personally I don't
feel

686
00:58:53,040 --> 00:59:00,480
if we were to be able to hear from the
contractor that like this is what the

687
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:04,359
cost of the containers
being baked in is

688
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:16,319
I think it would be very easy to make
this decision but not knowing that it's

689
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:20,720
kind of like shots in the dark. um
>> not a red but from Mount's disposal.

690
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,960
» Um so I kind of felt like I might be
able to help.

691
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,520
» Not with a comment like that.
>> Unfortunately,

692
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,920
» that's I don't
>> No, my only thing I wanted to point out

693
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:33,200
was
>> I I'm sorry, but unfortunately you're

694
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,680
not a resident. Public comments for
residents. You're on the bid list.

695
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,559
That's inappropriate.
>> I just thought because he said if we

696
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,319
heard from a contractor just from what I
was going to say.

697
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,079
» Yeah. I don't want to go I don't want to
go there.

698
00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:45,599
» I was just going to do an idea of total
cost. That's okay. No, that's okay.

699
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:49,040
» What I'll say is I I'll open
>> I appreciate it, but I don't want to get

700
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:52,559
into a situation where other biders
>> No, I understand it's not my bid, so

701
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:57,000
that's mine. I just wanted to give you
guys an idea of that. But

702
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:07,680
» Kelsey, is your concern that it would
color the pro or give the wrong

703
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:11,119
impression to the process and maybe
>> Yeah. And biders would say, well, you

704
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:14,960
know, we weren't there. We didn't get to
make comment. I just don't want to get

705
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:20,240
into all that. And plus, you know,
mounts might have a completely different

706
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:25,119
way that they handle where they purchase
their totes from. I I don't I just don't

707
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:29,520
want to get into one bidder being here
and speaking and that influencing the

708
01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:32,520
board in some way. I don't think it's
appropriate.

709
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:42,119
And I I understand that Mount isn't the
isn't the low bidder. Um Oh, well,

710
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:42,119
actually, you number two, so yeah.

711
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:51,280
That's okay. Thank Thank you. I
appreciate it, but unfortunately we're

712
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:57,400
not we're not going to go there.
>> Yeah. Sorry. Thank you again. Um,

713
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:13,680
I mean, I I guess I'll just It seems
like we're stuck, so I'll just throw out

714
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:19,760
my opinion. For me, there there's too
much data missing. I feel like we're um

715
01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:25,119
we're making a decision on incomplete
information. So, I would say that we

716
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:30,880
probably should go out and bid uh manual
trash for um the entire township at

717
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:35,040
least at a bare minimum to get a
comparison to know that we can feel

718
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:39,920
better and sleep at night. And then
maybe as part of it um ask them to break

719
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:43,880
down the container cost too um when we
go out and get the other bids.

720
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,680
Well, it

721
01:01:51,839 --> 01:01:56,319
like is that their like their their
secret?

722
01:01:54,559 --> 01:02:00,240
» That's proprietary information that they
use to come up with their bids and they

723
01:01:58,319 --> 01:02:03,240
have their own processes. I you know I
think

724
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:16,000
» no what you could do is try to figure
out if the township was responsible for

725
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:20,240
purchasing the containers how much that
would cost so that you know what your

726
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:25,520
cost on top of
the bids for

727
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:28,160
um bid options for township containers
would the difference be. M I mean that's

728
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:32,359
something that
>> that's a good idea.

729
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,359
» You know

730
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:41,040
on the cost of containers and what how
often they need to be replaced on a

731
01:02:38,319 --> 01:02:44,480
regular basis that would take research.
>> I I don't know that.

732
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:48,720
» So I guess we could just scratch the
second part. But if the manual

733
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:53,319
collection bid comes in close um then we
can just make a decision there for

734
01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:53,319
trash.

735
01:02:54,720 --> 01:03:03,440
Please just just diet 22 Hogurt Avenue.
All right. Did anybody approach the

736
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:07,359
county recycling coordinator for the
possibility of a grant for the

737
01:03:04,799 --> 01:03:11,760
containers? Are they providing like they
used to do? They used to provide money

738
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:16,319
towards the containers. Has anybody
approached the county recycling

739
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:20,400
coordinator about that?
>> Maybe that's

740
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:24,880
the county recycling. It used to be Jane
Meeks. I don't know if she's still in

741
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:27,039
place now. And is she still there?
>> I know, Jane. I'm not sure if she's

742
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:30,960
still there or not.
>> I know she's close to the end of her

743
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:34,000
career, too, but it's something that
maybe could be looked into for the

744
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:39,280
containers.
>> Could I could I speak?

745
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:45,520
» Um Jane Meeks is uh still in charge of
all the recycling. And um I know in the

746
01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:50,400
past we did get some kind of grant,
that's why we had all those extra

747
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:54,799
containers in storage. I don't know uh
what the process is for that grant and I

748
01:03:52,559 --> 01:04:00,319
don't know what the time uh frame would
be for it. I do know that it existed in

749
01:03:57,359 --> 01:04:03,720
the past. We did participate and she is
still the person.

750
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:15,680
» Thank you Patty. Thanks thanks Mr. Dre.
That's um I think good information.

751
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:18,559
I I just just to com we already have the
containers if you're going to use our

752
01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:23,920
containers,
>> right? I mean, we can figure that issue

753
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:26,640
out, I guess. Um just maybe just to kind
of move it along, but like I threw my

754
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,960
opinion out there. What does everybody
else think?

755
01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:40,839
» I agree. I I think
I don't feel confident making a

756
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,839
decision. I think

757
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:50,160
we just don't have enough data.
Unfortunately,

758
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:54,640
I I don't want to commit to something
that would would cost the township more

759
01:04:53,359 --> 01:04:57,599
than it needs to.
>> The contract expires at the end of the

760
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,640
year, correct?
>> Yeah.

761
01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:04,480
» Okay. So, just cautioning the board, you
need to make a decision and be decisive

762
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:09,440
at some point in the very near future.
>> Who knows? Can we

763
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:15,200
» I was just again getting back to that
idea of we have very limited time. It's

764
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:21,520
August. So if we took this approach and
we went back and rebid and went through

765
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:26,920
this I mean can we have all the data by
next by the next meeting? Is that

766
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,920
possible?

767
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:55,280
is
>> excuse me, but Peter, if you're talking,

768
01:05:53,119 --> 01:06:01,359
can you put on your mic? I'm trying to
take notes.

769
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:05,680
» Yeah. Sorry. What I said was,
uh, I think we could do it in time for

770
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:10,240
the next meeting, but I would have to
really sit down and calculate it. I'm

771
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:14,640
only here part-time.
>> Well, I think if you could if we could

772
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:21,680
get
the bids in in time to vote on by the

773
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:25,119
October meeting, that would be good. Is
that possible?

774
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:31,680
» I can't answer whether that's enough
time or not. I don't know.

775
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:36,839
» Could we just uh vote on the recycling
and then only bad the bid the trash out?

776
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:46,799
Um, the problem with that is biders look
at the whole thing and they may put

777
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:52,319
weight on one in order to try to get
another one. In other words, it's not

778
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:58,000
straight for each bid. They look at the
whole package and bid on those things

779
01:06:55,520 --> 01:07:00,400
that
>> right,

780
01:06:58,319 --> 01:07:05,680
» for example, some of these numbers may
may not really reflect exactly what it's

781
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:10,000
going to cost. They may make it up on
one of the other bids. I I don't know

782
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:13,440
how they do it, but I I don't think
they're all straight bids.

783
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:16,880
» I'm actually going to shoot my own idea
down because if you would go automated

784
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:22,160
in recycling, then you'd want to go
automated on on trash as well, just to

785
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:27,119
keep things consistent. So, disregard
what I said.

786
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:32,640
» Yeah. Yeah, and I agree with Peter that
if you know some of these biders want

787
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:37,119
both refues and recycling for the entire
township, they're going to adjust their

788
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:45,200
bids to make it worth their while to to
win both. Um, so you accept one now, you

789
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:49,520
may not get that you may not get them to
bid on the refues or they may decide

790
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:54,039
they're going to pull their bid out
after you award it, right?

791
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,400
Mechanical

792
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:25,880
but very close to name

793
01:08:27,679 --> 01:08:33,560
38
they're

794
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:41,839
the other but I'm saying this
but they they work the gigs the way it

795
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:47,120
works for them and you can't look at
this and say okay we'll just accept this

796
01:08:45,759 --> 01:08:50,480
because they've looked at the whole
thing it just it wouldn't be

797
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:10,400
All you have to do is
>> Yeah. Yeah. either refuse them all and

798
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:17,040
have Peter try to get the new specs out
for rebidding or take the manager's

799
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:22,600
recommendation and
um award the bids that are in bold.

800
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:28,239
» I think Andy and I kind of said our
piece. So we Is there one more person

801
01:09:26,719 --> 01:09:31,960
that wants to say what they think and
then we can go that way?

802
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:42,319
H Peter, I know how much work you put
into this.

803
01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:49,080
I mean, and
>> Yeah.

804
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:49,080
Yeah. Well,

805
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:54,880
» right.
>> No, I think everything else stays the

806
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,840
same. It's just like you said, an
additional Correct.

807
01:09:57,199 --> 01:10:02,960
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. I that's the way I'm kind of

808
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:07,120
leaning just again like Andy and Greg
were saying. I mean for me to sleep on

809
01:10:04,719 --> 01:10:13,440
this and think like if if I was voting
on it today, you know, I would question

810
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:18,239
whether or not I had all the information
to make the right choice. And so I kind

811
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:25,840
of feel like if we have an opportunity
and there's a window of time, you know,

812
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:33,719
granted it's short, that we take it and
and rebid. Um,

813
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:33,719
so that's that's the way I'm feeling.

814
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:41,840
» Right. I guess that's three of us. So
>> I guess one last question that was there

815
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:44,840
a period of time in which these bids
expire?

816
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:56,000
Okay.
>> You're going to reb?

817
01:10:55,120 --> 01:11:01,280
» Yeah.
>> So, in order to make the record clear,

818
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:05,120
um, is there going to be a motion to
reject all bids and revise the bid specs

819
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:08,840
and rebid?
>> I'll make that motion.

820
01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:18,080
» I'll second.
All in favor, please signify by saying

821
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:23,440
I. I. I.
>> Okay.

822
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:30,159
Thank you for your hard work. Uh thank
you to all of the companies who did take

823
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:35,360
the time to put bids in.
Please Yeah, please come back and and

824
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:40,640
put another bid in. And thank you for
your offer for more information. It was

825
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:44,320
not personal.
>> Yeah. Thank you very much.

826
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:48,480
» You too.
>> Just to be clear, Peter, that would then

827
01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:51,679
be a bid for the entire township. You
wouldn't have to separate out flying

828
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:58,679
hills then.
>> Yep. So, you'd have three bids, correct?

829
01:11:55,679 --> 01:11:58,679
Yep.

830
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:07,440
» Can you put your Can you put your mic
on, Peter?

831
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:12,000
If I have to start doing a lot of work
and changing a lot of things, it's not

832
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:19,679
going to be enough time for me to do it.
So, I can do that, but I have to I'm

833
01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:25,760
doing half a dozen other things, all of
which have to be done. So, I'm telling

834
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:31,600
you that it's a burden for me that do
too much. I can change that one thing.

835
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:36,800
Uh
but I any anything else is going to take

836
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:39,440
more time and it's going to be very
difficult for me.

837
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:43,360
» Well, yeah, I think the ask is just to
change the one thing.

838
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:47,760
» I can do that.
I would suggest that if the

839
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:52,320
commissioners um were interested in
figuring out how much containers would

840
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:56,400
cost the township
that you guys should do that if if

841
01:12:55,199 --> 01:13:00,480
that's something you're interested in
understanding so that when bids come in

842
01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:04,400
there's that information
>> um

843
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:08,400
» if that's if that's going to be an
option for others.

844
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:10,800
» I mean we'll see. I I don't I don't
think we need to put that in the bids. I

845
01:13:09,679 --> 01:13:13,280
mean, I think at this point we could
just solicit the bids and see what comes

846
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:19,120
back.
>> Yep.

847
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:22,320
» Thank you for taking on that
>> Yeah.

848
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:26,640
» curveball, Peter. Um, like Mark said,
we're aware this has been a lot of work.

849
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:29,840
Um,
so let's before we start, Andy, I'm

850
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:34,159
going to I'm going to bail out on this
one that I have a conflict with the the

851
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:38,640
next one as well. I can't be involved in
the procurement or of uh any sort of

852
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:42,320
financing. So, I'm going to leave the
room while everybody discusses this one.

853
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:47,080
» Sure.
>> Thanks. Give me a minute to step out.

854
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:56,120
» So,

855
01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:02,320
» Peter, do you want to steer this the
financing for solar projects?

856
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:06,480
» Right. Uh we're moving forward with the
solar project. Exact solar engineers

857
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:10,239
have visited and reviewed the
construction plans for both the fire

858
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:13,600
station and public works building.
They're beginning the process of

859
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:18,159
obtaining the necessary permits for the
installation and we're now in the

860
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:22,480
process of obtaining funding for the
project. In reviewing the options and

861
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:26,000
discussing the matter with our financing
consultant, Concord Financial, it's

862
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:31,360
clear to me that the best path forward
is to enter into an agreement with First

863
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:38,960
American for for the project funding.
First American has successfully

864
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:44,320
uh proposed a rate and they're that and
the rate that they're offering uh I find

865
01:14:41,679 --> 01:14:48,719
that it is reasonable. They're providing
two options for paying the solar

866
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:54,719
installation. Both options provide for
an 11-year payback period. Both options

867
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:59,760
have a large prepayment or payment in
2028 which reflects the payment we will

868
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:04,719
receive from the government. First
option has an increasing payment amount

869
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:10,560
over nine of the 11 years reflecting the
increased electric savings over the same

870
01:15:07,440 --> 01:15:15,040
period. The second option has a flat
payment amount over nine of the 11

871
01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:19,120
years. The proposal also provides for
the prepayment of the debt without

872
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:23,520
penalty should the township be in a
position to do so. I recommend that the

873
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:28,560
board authorize a lease purchase
agreement with First American for the

874
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:33,760
financing of the solar installation
on the fire station and the public works

875
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:38,719
building in an interest rate of 5.33 for
a period of 11 years. The board should

876
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:43,239
also choose between the increasing
payment rate or the flat rate.

877
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:55,600
flat rate I think appeals to me.
Um I think it makes our budgeting

878
01:15:50,960 --> 01:16:00,480
process more straightforward and I think
the the variable rate could you explain

879
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:06,320
that I mean the rate that goes up?
>> Yeah. Well, the idea is

880
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:12,719
electric rates will probably increase.
will be saving an additional amount as

881
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:18,800
this goes on and that that is why they
have increased the actual payment on the

882
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:23,600
basis that we will probably be able to
do that. That's that's why we're doing

883
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:28,239
solar
save money

884
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:34,000
and the idea that
the electric rates will go down is

885
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:38,320
possible but not probable. But the
interest rate on the very

886
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:43,120
» rate is the same
>> the first one. Well, wasn't the one the

887
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:46,719
flat rate the interest rate is flat
across the entire

888
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:48,239
» 5.33 on both?
>> On both.

889
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:52,400
» Yes.
>> Okay.

890
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:56,320
I got my wires crossed there. the the
the question I don't know if you were

891
01:16:54,320 --> 01:17:00,159
asking this
last sentence of your recommendation

892
01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:03,920
Peter was the board should also choose
between the increasing payment rate or

893
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:08,719
the flat rate
>> right

894
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:13,920
» what what is our choice that we're I'm
recommending the increasing rate

895
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:17,679
» okay
why is that

896
01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:21,840
» because of what I just said the savings
should increase as the years go on and

897
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:26,719
we'll be in a better position ition to
pay any increase in it's not that much

898
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:29,719
increase. Okay.
Okay.

899
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,400
All right.

900
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:44,360
But the so the rate
maybe I'm my I have a wire crossed.

901
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:55,040
My gut was to go with the flat rate, but
may I feel like I'm missing something

902
01:17:52,960 --> 01:18:00,239
here.
>> Yes, thank you, Kristen. Help me.

903
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:05,520
I don't have the numbers in front of me,
but just to give you a different like

904
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:11,120
idea of what he's referring to. Say the
flat rate is I don't know what the

905
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:15,520
numbers are, 75,000 every year for those
years. The increasing rate is saying,

906
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:20,320
"Okay, well, this year it's only going
to be 20,000 because you're not going to

907
01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:24,080
have that mass savings on the electric
yet. Next year it's going to go up to

908
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:27,679
30,000 because you're going to save a
little bit more next year than you did

909
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:32,480
this year. The year after that, it'll
continually go up based on the idea that

910
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:38,800
you're going to be saving on your
electric bill. So that way you can pay

911
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:45,440
it pay more on the back end." I would
think, help me here, that by deferring

912
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:48,800
that
pay the upfront payment, you're paying

913
01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:53,600
more an interest rate over the life of
the loan then, aren't you?

914
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:56,640
» I mean, that's
>> by the time

915
01:18:54,239 --> 01:19:00,239
» generally speaking with cost of
ownership would be lower because you're

916
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:04,400
you're going to be
>> letting more interest acrue over the

917
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:08,880
life of the loan. Generally speaking,
the way interest works, yes, I am not a

918
01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:16,199
» professional in that aspect, but
typically interest is based on what's

919
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:16,199
paid today, you know,

920
01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:21,360
» I'm just do it either way.
>> I I'm a fan of the flat rate personally.

921
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:27,280
I think
>> I think for budgeting, I think the flat

922
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:32,560
rate would be a a wiser choice in my
opinion.

923
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:40,000
Um,
any other thoughts here or do we have a

924
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:46,239
motion? Um, I I'll make I'll move to
uh

925
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:50,800
authorize uh the solar financing uh with
the flat rate.

926
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:54,640
» Is this um motion conditional upon
approval of the finance documents by

927
01:19:53,199 --> 01:20:01,440
Concord?
>> It's not. No, actually this just gives

928
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:04,640
us gives the the the company First
American

929
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:07,520
uh the
the message that they need to develop a

930
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,320
contract.
>> So basically a letter of intent and then

931
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,239
they're going to get the loan docs
together and we're going to review.

932
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:17,040
Okay,
>> that's so move to authorize creation of

933
01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:20,960
the letter of intent. Is that what
>> just to authorize the the

934
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,960
» preparation? The motion would be to
authorize the preparation of the loan

935
01:20:22,480 --> 01:20:26,560
documents,
>> right?

936
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:27,920
» Okay. Uh so moved. Uh do I hear a
second?

937
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,480
» Second.
>> All in favor, please signify by saying

938
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:35,920
I. I.
>> I. All oppose.

939
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:40,480
» The motion carries. Okay. Um ordinance
clarification.

940
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:44,320
» Do what?
>> Uh codification update. Do we have an

941
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:49,840
update on the codification?
>> Patty, I think.

942
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:56,640
» Yeah, that would be me. Um I uh I'm
sorry for the delay. Um there was a lot

943
01:20:53,600 --> 01:21:05,040
of uh scanning and finding and trying to
get things in order. So um they were

944
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:11,679
sent off on August uh 10th and um as per
the uh instructions that we had had in

945
01:21:07,679 --> 01:21:17,199
the agreement um they within 80 days
they should be getting uh something back

946
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:22,239
to us. So that puts us roughly like the
end of October. Um, and then we go from

947
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:27,199
there where I guess we look at
everything and then they have extra days

948
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:32,080
and stuff. It just started the process.
So, um, I think we're in an 80-ish day

949
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:37,040
window right now from the way I
understood the way this read.

950
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:42,080
I think what she's trying to say is they
needed a copy of all of the township

951
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:47,760
ordinances that they didn't have or
couldn't find and she provided them to

952
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:52,800
the codification company in bulk via
email over the last couple of weeks and

953
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:57,840
now they have to do their job and get
everything together, get it organized

954
01:21:54,320 --> 01:22:01,840
and start the cotification process.
>> Thank you for that update. for the

955
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:08,400
public. Ordinance cladification is just
a process of organizing all of our

956
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:14,400
ordinances so that they can be searched
and more easily rectified if there's

957
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:19,520
conflicts and such. Um, and we're in the
process of doing that. Uh, moving on. Do

958
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:27,199
I hear a motion to pay the bills uh for
the weeks ending in uh

959
01:22:22,719 --> 01:22:32,000
July 24th, July 31st, August 7th, and
August 14th of this year.

960
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:34,800
I'll make a motion to pay the bills.
>> I'll second.

961
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:41,199
» All in favor, please signify by saying
I. I.

962
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:46,080
» I. All opposed. Motion carries. Um,
moving on to planning. Uh, there is a

963
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,960
reaffirmation
uh for the Hawthorne Land Development

964
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:57,080
Plan. Do we have any questions on the
reaffirmation? This is one that we've

965
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:57,080
reaffirmed um I think five times now.

966
01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:02,719
Okay. Do do I hear a motion to reaffirm
plan approval for the Haworn land

967
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:07,440
development plan?
>> I'll make the motion to reaffirm the

968
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:11,360
plan.
>> I'll second the motion. All in favor,

969
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:16,960
please second uh signify by saying I.
>> I.

970
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:22,960
» I. All opposed. Motion carries. Um
there is a couple proposed actions here.

971
01:23:20,239 --> 01:23:26,560
» There's a representative for C2C design
group here. I don't know if you want to

972
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:30,880
speak on the waiverss you've requested,
but I was at the planning commission

973
01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:38,080
meeting um and Gogglersville Fire
Company is proposing um a 7500

974
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:42,400
not 75,000 correct
>> square foot pavilion and parking lot

975
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:46,560
expansion
um at the fire company.

976
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,960
» I don't know if you want to talk a
little bit about the plan or

977
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:53,840
» I'm just here to answer any questions if
there are any. So, they're they are

978
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:56,800
requesting a waiver of land development
of submitting formal land development

979
01:23:55,520 --> 01:24:01,679
plans and going through the formal
process conditioned on resolving issues

980
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:05,920
in um Great Valley's storm water review
letter. Um review by the fire chief,

981
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:10,639
confirmation of a recorded deed of
consolidation because they encompass two

982
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:14,120
parcels into a single parcel and payment
of all fees.

983
01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:20,280
So, that's the first action. That would
be a waiver of full land development.

984
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:26,320
Is this something that the planning
commission has reviewed?

985
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:30,159
» Planning commission reviewed the plans.
Um we this gentleman was here for that

986
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:34,239
meeting. He went through the plans with
us and the planning commission and the

987
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:37,360
engineer for the planning commission all
recommended um waiver of land

988
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:39,440
development.
>> I'm just curious.

989
01:24:38,719 --> 01:24:44,719
» Sorry Mark.
>> Yeah.

990
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:47,520
» What does a 7,000 square foot pavilion
look like?

991
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:51,679
» I'm not sure. I haven't seen like the
architecturals or anything, but I would

992
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:54,639
imagine it's like an outdoors kind of
like the columns and then a roof and

993
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:58,639
then the benches underneath.
>> It seems like a big number for a

994
01:24:55,920 --> 01:25:00,719
pavilion, but now I'm sure there are big
pavilions. I guess

995
01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:05,360
» it's it's pretty big. Yeah.
>> You didn't see a rendering of it, but I

996
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:09,520
know they're going to remove an existing
pavilion

997
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:12,480
» and and put the new pavilion sort of in
that footprint, but a little bit bigger.

998
01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:14,960
So, it's not gonna
>> Okay.

999
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:18,159
» The plan the plan looks good to the
planning commission. There's

1000
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:23,679
» there's a pretty good amount of space
there, too. I I don't think it'll seem

1001
01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:28,159
out of place from what's there.
>> It's just a bigger footprint.

1002
01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:33,520
» Most mostly just curious like seemed
like a big number for a big pavilion.

1003
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:37,199
Uh, do I hear a motion to uh grant the
waiver of land development condition on

1004
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:42,800
resolving any issues stated in the GBC
storm water review letter dated 22726

1005
01:25:40,639 --> 01:25:46,480
reviewed by the fire chief confirmation
of a reported deed of consolidation for

1006
01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:50,000
the two parcels into a single deed and
payment of all fees.

1007
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:52,080
» I'll motion. I'll second.
>> All in favor, please signify by saying

1008
01:25:51,679 --> 01:25:57,440
I.
>> I

1009
01:25:54,159 --> 01:26:02,880
excuse me if if I could say one thing. I
have a typo. Uh, and I will correct it

1010
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:06,880
on the minutes. The GVC uh letter is
from 727, not 227.

1011
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:10,639
» Thank you.
>> I just I just want to make that

1012
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:14,480
Sorry about that.
>> Yeah, thanks. Thanks for the

1013
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:21,040
clarification, Patty. It's 727 in item
227. I was reading the proposed action.

1014
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:23,760
Um, any objection to moving on? We don't
need

1015
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:29,199
» that letter's of record. So that that's
fine. Thank you for the correction,

1016
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:34,880
Patty. Um the storm water waiver.
>> Yeah, that's a storm water waiver um to

1017
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:39,520
allow there they're proposing um a 5-ft
berm instead of an 8ft BM. So it's a

1018
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:41,920
reduction of 3 feet. I don't know if you
have anything that you want to share

1019
01:26:40,719 --> 01:26:44,960
about that, but I know the engineer
looked at it and said he didn't think it

1020
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:49,280
would be impactful on the storm water.
>> I think it was very minor in nature. Uh

1021
01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:53,679
our ordinance requires 8 foot, but since
this pond is relatively small and

1022
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:59,760
there's some grading restraints, uh we
do uh support a waiver of allowing that

1023
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:05,360
burm to be 5 ft width.
>> Do I hear a motion to grant the storm

1024
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:07,840
water waiver as stated?
>> I'll make a motion.

1025
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,560
» I'll second.
>> All in favor, please signify by saying

1026
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:15,840
I. I.
>> I. All opposed.

1027
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:19,280
That uh first proposed action. and I
felt like an auctioneer.

1028
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:23,199
» Um, thank you very much. Thank you.
>> One more thing. Um, at the planning

1029
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:27,120
commission, I did ask if you could talk
to the Gogglerville representative about

1030
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:30,960
the termination of lease that we had
sent. Did you get any feedback?

1031
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:34,639
» Yeah, I let him know. He's he just said
okay. That was really what

1032
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:37,440
» All right. Well, thanks for telling him.
>> I I also let him know about the uh the

1033
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:40,080
new ordinance. That was another thing
that you asked me to let him know. I

1034
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,639
think it was like the special event
ordinance. I let him know about that.

1035
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:46,080
» Yeah. That hasn't been enacted yet.
Still in progress, but thanks. Yeah.

1036
01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:50,639
» Yep. Thank you guys. Appreciate it.
>> Thank you. Uh moving on, Mike, what do

1037
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:55,199
you got with the public works?
>> Good evening. Our KPIs are on track,

1038
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:58,480
which shows service remains consistent
and workloads are being managed

1039
01:27:56,719 --> 01:28:02,600
effectively. If the board has any
questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

1040
01:28:02,719 --> 01:28:09,040
All right, I'll move on to item B.
Tonight, we're going to be covering

1041
01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:13,120
roads selected for repaving in 2027. And
this is part of the capital program. So

1042
01:28:11,679 --> 01:28:16,760
now I'm going to turn the presentation
over to Ben Maguire.

1043
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:40,239
All right, this is an update from the
last time we I think last time we

1044
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:46,239
talked, we talked about the top 41 roads
we were looking at. Um, now we have

1045
01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:51,040
things narrowed down to uh the roads we
want to focus on for next year. Public

1046
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:55,440
works in coordination with the manager
and data from the chief of police have

1047
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:59,760
identified the roads we want to do for
next year. Each road has a repair

1048
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:04,080
strategy based on the current condition
rating and the various treatment options

1049
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:08,239
we have
and these are the roads we're going to

1050
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:12,800
focus on which we know we'll be able to
cover under liquid fuels funding. We

1051
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:18,080
don't know the exact allocation for next
year yet but averaging out what we

1052
01:29:15,679 --> 01:29:24,159
received over the last couple years we
know we'd be able to cover this much uh

1053
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:28,880
at the very least. Uh we have Deerfield
Drive and Hickory Road uh that we're

1054
01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:32,560
looking at for in-house level and
overlay projects

1055
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:37,360
and
three roads over in the Mifflin area

1056
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:42,800
that we're looking at uh exploring some
of these new methods we talked about at

1057
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:47,760
previous meetings. And we'll be uh
teaming up with Joe Regoski probably in

1058
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:55,040
December to put together bit specs for
those uh jobs there. And then after

1059
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:59,600
uh we go through budget season, if we
find we do have more money to spend than

1060
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:06,320
liquid fuels funds,
um we have prices and a bunch of other

1061
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:11,440
roads waiting on the bench that we can
pull out to utilize those extra funds we

1062
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:16,440
may find. We have
that's really it unless anybody has any

1063
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:16,440
questions.

1064
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:28,080
Good deal. I'm going to disappear.
>> Thank you, Ben. Um, appreciate the hard

1065
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:34,679
work there. This is going to pay off
for the township. You guys have been

1066
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:34,679
doing a great job on that. Thank you,

1067
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:46,480
» Joe. Do you have anything else?
Actually, I don't have anything more to

1068
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:50,239
add. I've been I think Mike and Ben and
I have been [clears throat] discussing

1069
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:53,679
different friction courses. So, I think
we're going to look at some options that

1070
01:30:51,679 --> 01:31:00,320
can preserve our roads and and hopefully
get an early uh bid for next next year

1071
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:03,679
so we get some competitive prices. And
since there's a weather and time

1072
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:07,360
limitation for some of these friction
courses, they have to be done a little

1073
01:31:05,199 --> 01:31:12,239
bit earlier than the typical wearing,
but we'll be coordinating together to

1074
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:16,320
get that out to bid early next year.
That's all I have. Thank you. Turn it

1075
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:21,199
over to you, Kelsey. I
>> actually add one thing onto that. Um I I

1076
01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:25,840
think Peter, we talked about uh the LSA,
the small LSA, if there was anything

1077
01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:29,760
that from a a road repaving standpoint
that we could use that for that's due by

1078
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:32,880
September.
I don't know if he got a chance to talk

1079
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:38,400
to Mike about that.
>> I don't recognize what you're asking.

1080
01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:42,400
» There's there's a couple different LS uh
LSA grants that we can get.

1081
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:46,719
» One of them is less than a million
dollars. When we look at the awards,

1082
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:51,679
they're typically in the$100 to $200,000
range. You can apply for road repaving

1083
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:57,040
projects as part of the LSA. So, what we
talked about doing uh potentially is

1084
01:31:54,159 --> 01:32:02,480
putting a road project on there if Mike
had one that he thinks would kind of fit

1085
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:06,000
that bill of that price range. You know,
it could go maybe a little higher, maybe

1086
01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:09,840
to 150 or something like that, but
probably somewhere in that general

1087
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:14,639
range. Um, we would need to apply for
that by September 30, Mike. So, you

1088
01:32:12,719 --> 01:32:17,760
don't have to answer me today, but like
maybe just think about that over the

1089
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:20,719
next month if there's something that
fits that bill.

1090
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:23,679
» Yeah. Ben and I and Peter, we'll get
together and see what we can come up

1091
01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:26,679
with.
>> Yeah.

1092
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:35,120
» Imagine you can come up with a project.
Um Kelsey, over to you.

1093
01:32:32,639 --> 01:32:40,639
» All right. Thank you. Um item A is just
an update on the Sensa department's

1094
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:45,280
issue. um since it did based on the
request from the district attorney's

1095
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:52,239
office of the county um
implement a 247 onampus manager at the

1096
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:57,120
property to deal with any ongoing
elevator issues. Um and so that's been

1097
01:32:55,199 --> 01:33:03,280
accomplished. My understanding is that
they're still on schedule with respect

1098
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:07,440
to um the first elevator being replaced
and then they will move on to the second

1099
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:12,159
elevator being replaced. I haven't heard
anything about any delays or issues with

1100
01:33:09,679 --> 01:33:17,520
respect to um the timeline that they had
previously provided the township. Um we

1101
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:22,800
did issue the township did issue a
citation against Sensit for the elevator

1102
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:29,679
failures that had happened in the past.
Um since its attorney called me and

1103
01:33:25,679 --> 01:33:34,400
Sensit has agreed to pay a $1,000 fine
as a result of that citation. Um I do

1104
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:41,239
not know if it has been paid. Patty, did
you receive any payment from Sensit with

1105
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:41,239
respect to that fine?

1106
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:47,520
» I guess she got off.
>> I guess she got off.

1107
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:51,520
» All right. Um, so I don't know if the
township received it yet, but that was

1108
01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:56,320
since its plan. If since it doesn't pay
the fine prior to the hearing date being

1109
01:33:54,480 --> 01:34:00,480
scheduled, then we'll move forward with
presenting our case to the magisterial

1110
01:33:58,639 --> 01:34:06,560
district court and asking for the same
fine that they were agreeing to pay.

1111
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:10,800
Um if there's no questions, I'll move on
to item B, which is the rental

1112
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:16,960
ordinance. Um the commissioners were
interested in um enacting potentially a

1113
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:21,440
rental registration ordinance for the
township to sort of have some oversight

1114
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:25,440
over all of the rental properties in the
township. And in order to do so, the

1115
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:31,840
commissioners were interested in
starting um or in hiring a company that

1116
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:37,360
deals in rental property registrations
and inspections on a regular basis. Um

1117
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:43,120
there was some feedback from the public
at the last meeting regarding um getting

1118
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:47,760
um some proposals from different
companies in the area who do handle this

1119
01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:53,760
type of work. and the the township
manager, Peter, um came up with an RFP,

1120
01:34:51,280 --> 01:35:01,280
which is a request for proposal um with
respect to um that issue. And so

1121
01:34:58,639 --> 01:35:09,679
tonight, we're looking for approval from
the commissioners to u accept the

1122
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:16,639
proposed request for proposal and um put
it out there for people to uh contact

1123
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:20,360
the township with responses to.
Do I hear a motion?

1124
01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:24,760
» I'll make the motion.

1125
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:31,840
» I'll second it. All in favor of um
authorizing the RFP, please signify by

1126
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:37,320
saying I.
>> I. All opposed.

1127
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:37,320
» Opposed.

1128
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:45,440
» Motion carries. And that's all I have
for now. Thank you.

1129
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:50,040
» Thanks, Kelsey. Um
zoning uh just an update

1130
01:35:50,719 --> 01:35:58,320
there's a p there's a zoning application
838 which is a continuence from February

1131
01:35:56,639 --> 01:36:04,080
26. Do you have any
>> Yeah, I believe um the planning

1132
01:36:00,719 --> 01:36:08,159
commission had previously recommended um
didn't make any recommendation

1133
01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:11,600
necessarily with respect to this
application. um they were going to just

1134
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:14,719
let the zoning hearing board hear the
facts and make a decision based on the

1135
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:19,199
law. And I believe that the board of
commissioners previously um agreed and

1136
01:36:17,679 --> 01:36:24,000
didn't take any position on this
application. So this is just an FYI that

1137
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:30,080
it's the continued hearing is scheduled.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um on to the

1138
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:36,320
commissioners. Um
Tanya, did you want to

1139
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:43,440
» um for the uh action tracker update? Um,
we've had updates from all the action

1140
01:36:40,719 --> 01:36:47,280
items and
I think we're good.

1141
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:51,600
» Mark, anything?
>> Mark, anything specifically on the

1142
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:59,119
website? Uh,
yeah, we uh we were able to uh review uh

1143
01:36:56,159 --> 01:37:06,960
with Revise. They presented us with uh
uh a concept which uh our team uh here

1144
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:12,639
at Kumu reviewed, gave them feedback.
They made several changes to their

1145
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:19,280
design based on our feedback and came
back with a revised version of the

1146
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:25,840
design and we we approved that. I think
it was August 4th that we approved the

1147
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:33,440
the design. So, what we're on to now,
the next phase of this project is for a

1148
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:39,119
site map to be created um based on our
current website and uh that's revise is

1149
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:46,239
working on that. They said it would take
maybe two to five weeks to put that

1150
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:52,080
together and um once we get that back
then it's a matter of uh you know

1151
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:58,000
creating the content. Um,
so anyways, we're still on track to have

1152
01:37:55,119 --> 01:38:01,840
our website ready by the start of the
new year at this point. So,

1153
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:07,040
» awesome.
>> Awesome. We do we do have uh one thing

1154
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:11,920
and um you know I think we'll have to
work with Patty on but the um what we

1155
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:18,159
had approved after the last meeting was
the uh the the forms the online forms

1156
01:38:15,679 --> 01:38:24,960
interactive forms so that we could begin
to post uh job postings or other um

1157
01:38:22,480 --> 01:38:29,600
types of online forms that people could
interact with and and that is something

1158
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:34,239
that could be utilized right now on our
current website. It's just sort of a

1159
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:39,199
plugin. Uh but there's some setup
involved. Uh that has been done by

1160
01:38:36,639 --> 01:38:44,560
revise. Now the the balls in our court
and we have to we have to you know kind

1161
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:50,080
of review a couple of videos they
provided to understand what we need to

1162
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:56,320
do. So the interactive forms uh is is in
process may take some effort to get

1163
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:58,960
completed
>> and um

1164
01:38:57,119 --> 01:39:04,239
» happy to lean in on that if
>> Yeah. We may take you up on that, Andy.

1165
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:07,760
» Awesome. Did you want to get into the
billing software, too, just to kind of

1166
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:15,119
recognize everybody there?
>> Yeah, sure. Um Um Kristen uh who was

1167
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:21,440
speaking earlier, u provided me with an
update um because Kristen has kind of

1168
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:29,199
been and Peter the point point people on
the the u receiving u uh estimates from

1169
01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:33,679
uh we have three companies. Tyler
Technologies,

1170
01:39:31,119 --> 01:39:41,440
Edwin, I'm sorry, Edmmonds
um and um

1171
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:48,239
and Intelllettech. Yeah. Uh so we have
received estimates from them. We've um

1172
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:53,440
re been reviewing them and I think where
we are right now is we're we're

1173
01:39:51,119 --> 01:40:01,360
close to making a decision. And I think
uh the the leader at the moment based on

1174
01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:05,040
functionality and and cost because I
think there's there's some uh

1175
01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:10,159
Intellletch seems to be the the front
runner, but we're reviewing the video

1176
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:14,800
because Edmonds was one that we looked
at in April. So it's you know kind of

1177
01:40:13,199 --> 01:40:20,400
been a little bit in the past and we
want to make sure we give enough uh um

1178
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:27,280
you know kind of review of what they had
provided their their estimate um and

1179
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:32,400
their um functionality. So I think uh
we're close but we need a little bit

1180
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:38,960
more time to make a a good uh
recommendation to the board. Uh you have

1181
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:44,440
anything to add to that Peter?
No, that is good summary.

1182
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:44,440
» Yeah,

1183
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:51,600
» just for everyone else's uh
notification, I asked um Tanya to add

1184
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:57,320
the solar project onto the uh tracker
then because that'll kind of take place

1185
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:57,320
over the next several months.

1186
01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:10,840
» Makes sense. Awesome. Um
the the code of conduct resolution

1187
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:10,840
Oh, okay. Yeah.

1188
01:41:11,440 --> 01:41:19,440
» Okay. Just got carried over.
>> Yep. Okay.

1189
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:22,960
The special events ordinance. Um Kelsey,
do you want to open this up?

1190
01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:27,840
» Yeah. So, um the special events
ordinance was um something that

1191
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:31,760
Commissioner Miller kind of was the the
first commissioner to consider

1192
01:41:29,605 --> 01:41:37,520
[clears throat] and put out there. He
sent me a proposed ordinance that um he

1193
01:41:35,199 --> 01:41:40,719
wanted me to review and the planning
commission to review and the other

1194
01:41:38,719 --> 01:41:45,280
commissioners to review, the chief of
police to review, the fire chief to

1195
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:49,920
review. And we got a lot of feedback
from the review of of the ordinance by

1196
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:55,520
all of those different people, including
some of the public. Um so, right now, I

1197
01:41:53,119 --> 01:42:00,000
don't think it's in final form to
authorize advertising at this point. I'd

1198
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:04,800
like to take some of the comments that
um Mark provided today, look through

1199
01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:12,080
those, do kind of a final run through of
it. Um I'd like to try to simplify it a

1200
01:42:08,159 --> 01:42:18,080
little more. Um I think it's a little
too complex for not not not

1201
01:42:16,639 --> 01:42:22,239
too complex for the public to
understand, but it's a lot for the

1202
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:26,400
public to have to go through to have a
special event. Um and I think it's a

1203
01:42:24,639 --> 01:42:30,159
little a little overkill. So I want to
go through it. I want to try to simplify

1204
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:35,360
it in a way that makes more sense to the
public, but that also

1205
01:42:32,639 --> 01:42:39,040
recognizes what the fire chief, the
chief of police, and the commissioners

1206
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:43,119
all want. Um, so I'm gonna I'm gonna
take a shot at that and I think by next

1207
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:48,400
meeting we can we can have something
final to to advertise and I'll try to

1208
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:52,000
get it out to the board and you know to
the planning commission um in advance of

1209
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:55,440
that meeting so that if there are
further comments we can address those

1210
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:58,719
because I think it's important that the
public has a say in an ordinance that

1211
01:42:57,679 --> 01:43:02,000
they may have to follow if they want to
have a party.

1212
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:05,600
» Do you mind just giving some of the
highlights that because you chopped it

1213
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:08,719
down pretty substantially already. I I'm
not asking for a blowby-blow, but just

1214
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:12,960
high level.
>> Yeah. So, um you know, the the

1215
01:43:11,119 --> 01:43:18,960
ordinance, the purpose of the ordinance
is to sort of define what a special

1216
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:23,920
event or a public gathering is and what
a public gathering is not. Um and for

1217
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:28,239
something that does qualify as a public
gathering, it goes through different

1218
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:31,199
levels of tiers. What is a smaller
public gathering versus a bigger public

1219
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:34,639
gathering?
>> I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt. I

1220
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:39,040
I was just meaning like what did you cut
out to in the latest version that we

1221
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:42,239
have here? Cuz I think I'm going to
assume that people saw it. Like you

1222
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:44,719
said, a bunch of people already read it,
but we slashed a bunch of stuff down

1223
01:43:44,159 --> 01:43:49,280
already.
>> Yeah. I mean, I tried to get rid of a

1224
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:54,320
lot of stuff that seemed like it was
overkill that's already provided by the

1225
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:58,719
Constitution, by law, that we don't
necessarily need to have four pages

1226
01:43:56,159 --> 01:44:04,639
worth of information on in an ordinance.
Um, you know, I I still think that we

1227
01:44:02,239 --> 01:44:09,119
could get rid of a lot of stuff in it.
Um,

1228
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:12,400
there was um a couple of things that
were suggested that were added. Not all

1229
01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:17,920
of it was cut. I mean, there were
additions regarding businesses that are

1230
01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:22,000
already operating and if they're having
an event that's in their normal course

1231
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:26,960
of business, is that exempt from having
to pull a special events permit? Um,

1232
01:44:24,480 --> 01:44:30,960
things like that. So I I just still
think it needs to be kind of paired

1233
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:34,400
down.
>> And just one other highlight I wanted to

1234
01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:38,480
point out, it's it got in the threshold
got moved up to 100,

1235
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:43,280
» right? So the the lowest tier system
started at 50 and there were a lot of

1236
01:44:41,199 --> 01:44:46,320
people who said, you know, I do that
every Friday night. I have a big

1237
01:44:44,639 --> 01:44:49,280
property, you know, we have pig roasts,
whatever. So, you know, the

1238
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:54,320
commissioners recognized that and I
think we can all agree that 50 was kind

1239
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:57,440
of a low threshold. Um, so yeah, we'll
we'll keep working on it. I just think

1240
01:44:55,840 --> 01:45:02,639
it's a little premature to authorize it
for advertising. Now,

1241
01:45:00,159 --> 01:45:06,040
» Miss Meyers, you did you have something
you want to add?

1242
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:10,639
» You want to stand up?
>> Do you mind? Please just state your name

1243
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:17,679
and address into the microphone.
>> My name is Destiny Myers and my address

1244
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:23,600
is 141 Wilma. A um in writing. Um, but I
I guess I just wanted to verify, so once

1245
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:28,239
this uh version is amended, when will it
be available for maybe the public again?

1246
01:45:26,719 --> 01:45:32,960
Um, does it have to get to that
advertising stage? Technically,

1247
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:36,159
ordinances in progress that are drafts
aren't

1248
01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:40,000
they're not subject to a right to know
request. The township is not required to

1249
01:45:38,480 --> 01:45:45,440
produce them to the public because
they're in draft stage. Um, in my

1250
01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:49,119
experience with this board, unlike some
other boards, it just depends on the

1251
01:45:46,719 --> 01:45:53,440
board. Their, you know, level of
transparency is greater than some other

1252
01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:58,400
boards. And so that would be up to the
commissioners if they want to release

1253
01:45:55,679 --> 01:46:03,199
that sort of final draft to the public
for comment. It's not necessary. Now,

1254
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:07,040
once they authorize it for advertising,
that is the final draft. It will get

1255
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:12,080
advertised. It will be available for the
public to come see. And from that point

1256
01:46:09,199 --> 01:46:16,400
on, the public can come to the uh
meeting where it's going to be enacted

1257
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:20,560
and make comment on it at that time. And
sometimes that influences the board to

1258
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:25,600
say, "Okay, maybe we need to look at
this again and revise it again and then

1259
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:28,400
readvertise for enactment later." So, it
will be available to the public. I just

1260
01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:34,000
don't I just can't say when.
>> No. And that's okay. I think uh our

1261
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:38,560
biggest concern um so we own two
businesses in the township and we we

1262
01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:42,800
reside in the township. Um, so I do
appreciate hearing that some of the the

1263
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:46,719
things have been amended or taken into
uh consideration. Um, and I agree about

1264
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:52,239
the pigos and stuff. Sometimes people
just want to have fun. Um, but I, you

1265
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:56,880
know, I really wish you guys would
really think about how this could um,

1266
01:46:54,159 --> 01:47:00,239
impact small businesses um, or new
individuals coming into our community

1267
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:04,400
because that is what we we've been
thriving on since we've moved in. you

1268
01:47:02,480 --> 01:47:08,480
know, everybody's all about, you know,
bringing more in and, you know,

1269
01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:12,239
generating, you know, uh, community, but
also generating, um, you know, income.

1270
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:17,360
So, I don't know, we're just really
passionate about what we do. Um, we try

1271
01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:22,960
to, you know, remain safe. Um, I guess a
question might be even like, um, is

1272
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:29,360
there a KPI for incidents that are
linked to special events? Um, is that

1273
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:34,639
right, KPI? um something of that sort,
but like something that could help us

1274
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:40,880
also keep an eye on if these, you know,
incidents or are or sorry, these um

1275
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:45,280
special events are problematic or not.
>> So, that's not really something that

1276
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:48,880
would typically go into a KPI. We don't
have one for that.

1277
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:53,679
» No, we we don't currently have one that
wouldn't be something that would go in,

1278
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:58,239
but um you would know if an event or
events in the past have concerned us. um

1279
01:47:56,320 --> 01:48:01,280
we're very proactive in reaching out and
trying to resolve an issue, especially

1280
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:07,920
if we identify one
>> before it gets worse and continues. Um

1281
01:48:04,480 --> 01:48:12,239
so if we haven't um reached out to you
as far as any events in the past um

1282
01:48:10,239 --> 01:48:14,159
which I don't think we have uh because I
don't know who you are or what you do.

1283
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:17,520
No.
>> So that's probably a good thing. So

1284
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:22,159
yeah.
>> Yeah. But we we do we are aware and

1285
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:27,600
events that come on our radar uh we make
it known that it is on our radar and

1286
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:31,280
usually are a drain on resources or we
have to provide additional resources

1287
01:48:29,119 --> 01:48:34,719
which that's when we get concerned have
to like really sit down and collaborate

1288
01:48:33,199 --> 01:48:37,920
on how we can resolve things.
>> Yeah. I think I just think about how

1289
01:48:36,239 --> 01:48:42,400
much we see on next door and I don't
want that to be like our only um avenue

1290
01:48:40,159 --> 01:48:46,159
of understanding when there are issues
or there aren't. Um but that leads me to

1291
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:52,719
one other question and then I'll wrap
up. um h it is very difficult to follow

1292
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:58,239
your website and I uh am very grateful
to hear um that stuff is uh going to be

1293
01:48:56,239 --> 01:49:03,760
updated. I appreciate that. I would love
to be notified as a resident and to be

1294
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:09,280
in the loop and um be aware. Um however,
I have no idea like sometimes the

1295
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:12,960
agendas are posted so late. Um sometimes
like uh I've just went to look at

1296
01:49:11,119 --> 01:49:18,159
meeting minutes. I had to watch the
whole three and a half hour movie uh

1297
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:22,239
video YouTube from the last meeting. Um
it's great to look at an agenda and see

1298
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:25,760
what you can go through and you know
kind of pick and choose or then you

1299
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:28,639
watch your YouTube video and you can
fast forward to the point where you know

1300
01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:33,199
that was addressed. Yeah.
>> But there's not minutes up um I believe

1301
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:40,960
since April.
>> Yeah. So this is something we've been

1302
01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:48,080
actively working through.
um something that is the board is is

1303
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:52,239
very keenly aware of being an issue that
we need to address. Um just so you're

1304
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:56,639
aware because you brought it up, there's
been a lot of change um particularly

1305
01:49:55,040 --> 01:50:01,440
around our administrative department and
our administrative department has been

1306
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:06,400
very burden has has shouldered a lot of
that burden. So I we're not in the

1307
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:10,960
business of making excuses, but I want
to sort of shed some light on sort of

1308
01:50:08,159 --> 01:50:16,320
what's maybe behind some of that delay.
It's not something that we see as

1309
01:50:13,119 --> 01:50:19,360
acceptable. And I think the the board
would

1310
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:23,360
fully agree with you that that's
something we'll get up to speed with

1311
01:50:20,719 --> 01:50:30,320
regard to it. The website Mark has been
working diligently on trying to get us

1312
01:50:26,239 --> 01:50:35,520
into the uh the modern age. So, so our
small businesses and and our community

1313
01:50:32,159 --> 01:50:38,480
is attractive digitally. So,
notification

1314
01:50:37,199 --> 01:50:42,159
sign.
>> Yes,

1315
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:45,920
» a notification signup will be part of it
too. So, we can push information out to

1316
01:50:44,239 --> 01:50:51,280
residents who would like to receive
information. Um, you know, so that's

1317
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:54,880
just something that's a feature of the
new website that I think would benefit a

1318
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:59,440
lot of people.
>> Definitely. Is there a way I can um like

1319
01:50:57,119 --> 01:51:03,360
is there a way to be notified uh ahead
of time? I mean, so I took off work

1320
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:06,000
tonight to come to this. So like at the
end of the day, like I don't want to

1321
01:51:04,639 --> 01:51:09,920
miss the next meeting if we're going to
be discussing um some very important

1322
01:51:08,239 --> 01:51:14,719
stuff that I'm very passionate about or
my husband and I are passionate about.

1323
01:51:11,679 --> 01:51:18,239
Um so where is the best place to kind of
get an update when this will be

1324
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:22,480
discussed again? I understand that you
already said, "Hey, I don't know when."

1325
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:27,920
» Yeah, I mean you'll know based on the
agenda being posted. The board did enact

1326
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:31,199
a resolution regarding what their
preference would be as far as when the

1327
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:36,239
agenda gets posted. By law, it doesn't
need to get posted um until 24 hours

1328
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:40,320
before the meeting, which I know is
rough. People have lives. You have

1329
01:51:37,679 --> 01:51:44,080
plans. Um I think the board's resolution
indicated that they would like to see

1330
01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:46,400
the agenda get posted the Thursday
before the meeting.

1331
01:51:45,679 --> 01:51:49,840
» Yeah.
>> Friday.

1332
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:55,520
» Friday before the meeting. So, that's
what that's what the administration is

1333
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:58,960
working towards. Um, but ultimately look
the night before. That's when you'll

1334
01:51:57,199 --> 01:52:02,880
know for sure.
>> Thank you.

1335
01:51:59,599 --> 01:52:07,920
» And this I think we've mostly been
hitting Fridays. This was an exception.

1336
01:52:05,199 --> 01:52:13,199
We had our township secretary was out
and um then under the weather

1337
01:52:11,119 --> 01:52:17,520
unfortunately. So bear with us. We're
working through that. We recognize that

1338
01:52:15,199 --> 01:52:24,880
the issues too. Um with regard to the
special um events ordinance, I just

1339
01:52:20,639 --> 01:52:32,480
wanted to follow uh chief in saying
so we when there are incidents

1340
01:52:30,639 --> 01:52:37,440
when I said this that's not the sort of
thing that would typically go into the

1341
01:52:34,719 --> 01:52:42,800
KPI report. That's not to suggest like
that's not the sort of thing we would be

1342
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:47,599
made aware of. we are made aware of when
incidents

1343
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:55,280
some anything problematic comes up and
to be transparent I think

1344
01:52:50,960 --> 01:53:00,080
recent events have probably been the gen
without probably saying more than I feel

1345
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:04,480
comfortable there were some recent
events that I think uh are the genesis

1346
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:09,440
of this coming about the goal is
absolutely not to burden small

1347
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:12,480
businesses it's to make sure that the
township has adequate accountability and

1348
01:53:11,679 --> 01:53:15,679
oversight.
>> I understand that. I also don't want it

1349
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:20,480
to burden the township too. Yeah. And I
just um if you guys could just

1350
01:53:18,239 --> 01:53:24,719
acknowledge at least receiving my email
um with lots of different questions um

1351
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:28,400
just you know you don't get a response
and I'm not looking for that but I did

1352
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:30,159
just want to know that my email was
received if that's okay.

1353
01:53:29,679 --> 01:53:31,280
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

1354
01:53:30,719 --> 01:53:35,560
» Thank you.
>> Thank you very much.

1355
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:35,560
» Thank you.

1356
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:42,000
Please. Yep.
>> Barbara, Barbara Der, 22 Bogard Avenue.

1357
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:48,719
Kelsey, I just want to clarify
something. Um, Topah Hawken Township was

1358
01:53:46,239 --> 01:53:51,920
involved in right to know litigation uh
regarding draft ordinances. My

1359
01:53:50,480 --> 01:53:55,520
understanding as a result of that
decision that draft ordinances that are

1360
01:53:54,000 --> 01:54:00,639
discussed at meetings should be made
available under for with right to know

1361
01:53:57,760 --> 01:54:05,760
requests.
>> Yeah, understood. Understood. and I

1362
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:08,760
think the board has been honoring that.
Um,

1363
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:14,960
» thank you.
>> Thank you, Barbara.

1364
01:54:12,159 --> 01:54:19,440
» Um, moving right along. Ken Grillil
Pool, uh, considering a contract for the

1365
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:23,520
2027 season.
>> Yes. So, this one's relatively easy in

1366
01:54:21,599 --> 01:54:28,080
that, uh, nothing has changed. They
basically offered us the exact same

1367
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:32,560
contract as last year. The only
difference being that they would

1368
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:38,000
increase the day pass uh to 13 for
adults and 10 for children. Um frankly,

1369
01:54:36,719 --> 01:54:41,599
I think they're just trying to encourage
more people to sign up for memberships.

1370
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:46,239
I don't think it's really much more
thought than that. But in terms of the

1371
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:50,719
members, uh everything would be the same
ratewise for next year. It was kind of a

1372
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:54,080
resounding success. I would categorize
it. We've been following the the reports

1373
01:54:52,719 --> 01:54:58,880
that they've been giving us over the
last several months. saved a lot of

1374
01:54:56,239 --> 01:55:03,280
money for for people. Um, and we've
ended up in the in the black, if you

1375
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:08,000
will. Um, where if you subtract out our
spend, we've still saved the township

1376
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:12,320
residents a lot more than what we spent
to kind of subsidize the rate. So, my

1377
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:17,960
recommendation would be to continue with
it, but I'll pause here for any

1378
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:17,960
questions anybody has.

1379
01:55:18,239 --> 01:55:27,599
» I would agree
with your recommendation.

1380
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:31,360
seems like dollars and cents a
no-brainer to me.

1381
01:55:29,119 --> 01:55:36,960
» And I just want to add something, some
anecdotal evidence of the success of

1382
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:41,679
this of this program or effort. I live
in Overbrook and uh I walk the

1383
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:48,480
neighborhood all the time. Uh was
approached by some of my neighbors who

1384
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:54,000
were a couple that had been with
Shillington Pool for years. Anyway, they

1385
01:55:51,360 --> 01:56:00,560
took the deal and they are loving it.
They feel it's a great value. They love

1386
01:55:58,159 --> 01:56:06,159
the hours. They they think they feel
very welcome. Um they've told people

1387
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:13,440
there there's I think a a momentum
building on this that uh will prove to

1388
01:56:09,599 --> 01:56:15,760
be even more successful going forward.
>> My dad also took advantage of it. Did

1389
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:19,199
he?
>> And he and he loves it, too. So,

1390
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:25,840
» cool. That's great.
>> Now I'm sold because Kelsey's dad's in.

1391
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:33,199
» That's great feedback. Anything else? Um
or do we have a motion uh to

1392
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:37,760
reauthorize the contract?
>> Is it is it or enter?

1393
01:56:35,360 --> 01:56:42,320
» Did they provide you with a new contract
for 2027? Yeah, I would say um to

1394
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:46,159
authorize entry into the contract
condition upon the solicitor's review if

1395
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:50,000
it's necessary.
>> I'll make that motion.

1396
01:56:48,159 --> 01:56:53,520
I'll second it. All in favor, please
signify by saying I.

1397
01:56:51,679 --> 01:56:59,040
» I. All opposed.
>> Opposed.

1398
01:56:55,440 --> 01:57:04,000
» Um, and then we have,
>> excuse me, if I could cut in one second.

1399
01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:09,679
In that folder should be a copy. Um,
Kelsey, if you want to look at it before

1400
01:57:06,719 --> 01:57:14,320
he would sign it. Is a copy of the
contract is in the folder.

1401
01:57:11,679 --> 01:57:18,239
» Yeah, I mean, I can if someone wants to
email it to me, I can look at it. Um,

1402
01:57:16,239 --> 01:57:22,480
» okay. But I'm not going to review the
cont.

1403
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:29,599
» No, no, I just meant Okay, thank you.
>> No, I'll sign it.

1404
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:36,199
» Yeah, hold it until I'm sure it's okay.
Um

1405
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:36,199
Okay, so

1406
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:42,599
I guess I'll I'll
take the floor.

1407
01:58:07,679 --> 01:58:20,400
Yeah. Before we get to that, u I'm going
to I'm going to flip this uh to start

1408
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:28,400
with uh item F. Uh do do uh I hear a
motion to approve uh the township

1409
01:58:24,159 --> 01:58:32,960
manager agreement uh with
our potential

1410
01:58:30,639 --> 01:58:37,199
uh township manager.
>> I'll make a motion to approve the

1411
01:58:34,639 --> 01:58:40,480
contract. I'll second.
>> All in favor, please signify by saying

1412
01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:43,719
I. I.
>> All oppose.

1413
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:55,040
» Abstain.
Okay. So, the motion carries. Um, with

1414
01:58:51,119 --> 01:59:00,639
that uh I want to introduce
uh Terrence

1415
01:58:57,040 --> 01:59:04,360
uh without not personally but uh give
the public some information.

1416
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:20,800
All right. So, um, as some of the public
has is aware, um,

1417
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:25,360
but perhaps not all,
Peter Marshall has was brought in the

1418
01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:32,560
beginning of this year after some
changes that the board enacted in uh,

1419
01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:36,719
the township's management. Uh, and Peter
came in with the understanding that he

1420
01:59:34,159 --> 01:59:43,679
would be operating in an interim role.
Uh the expectation being that he would

1421
01:59:40,719 --> 01:59:49,520
shoulder the load in a part-time basis
uh while conducting a rec recruiting uh

1422
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:54,800
and
search to fill the permanent position

1423
01:59:51,760 --> 02:00:00,000
for the township's manager. Uh with the
with the vote we just had, we're happy

1424
01:59:56,800 --> 02:00:06,159
to announce that uh ahead of schedule,
we will be having a new township

1425
02:00:02,719 --> 02:00:13,920
manager. Um
Peter did a ton of work uh vetting

1426
02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:18,719
numerous candidates. Uh we interviewed a
number of them. Scheduling was

1427
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:24,480
difficult. We had candidates from uh
across the country. Um

1428
02:00:21,679 --> 02:00:29,360
but Terrence stood out for a number of
reasons. he has seemed to have an

1429
02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:34,960
incredible uh aptitude when it comes to
budgeting and municipal finance which is

1430
02:00:32,159 --> 02:00:43,280
something that we valued uh quite a bit.
Uh as I think has been uh clear uh the

1431
02:00:39,679 --> 02:00:47,760
board is really focusing on getting our
fiscal house uh where we feel it needs

1432
02:00:45,679 --> 02:00:55,199
to be and we don't feel we're quite
there yet. So prioritizing

1433
02:00:50,639 --> 02:01:01,760
um that expertise was important to us.
He also has an extensive management uh

1434
02:00:59,119 --> 02:01:05,920
resume. You can see he was the the
associate director for budget and

1435
02:01:03,679 --> 02:01:10,080
performance management uh for the DC
Department of Parks and Recreation.

1436
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:15,199
That's the uh with the federal
government overseeing an $80 million

1437
02:01:11,679 --> 02:01:20,400
budget with 600 uh employees. uh
performance management, procurement,

1438
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:24,639
inter agency coordination. This is a
serious

1439
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:31,199
high level uh public management role
that very few candidates could match. Um

1440
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:36,719
and we were uh quite impressed. I mean,
and his resume speaks for itself. He has

1441
02:01:33,280 --> 02:01:44,639
an outstanding education um several
degrees uh that really stood out. So, we

1442
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:52,400
were excited um to offer Terrence the
the role. Um he brings

1443
02:01:49,199 --> 02:01:59,040
several talents and skills and strengths
that I think are going to really help uh

1444
02:01:54,719 --> 02:02:05,360
move us collectively in the direction we
want the township to go.

1445
02:02:01,840 --> 02:02:08,080
Um this is from Terrence himself. Great
local government is built through the

1446
02:02:06,639 --> 02:02:13,760
collaboration, accountability,
innovation and exceptional service. um

1447
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:20,239
speaking to him when we uh were
interviewing, one of the things I asked

1448
02:02:16,639 --> 02:02:26,960
him why Kumaru Township coming from from
bustling DC overseeing 600 employees,

1449
02:02:23,599 --> 02:02:32,960
$80 million budget and and his his
answer I think spoke to me in that what

1450
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:38,400
he said was you sort of get become a
part of the machine there and he was

1451
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:44,719
looking for somewhere that he could
really feel and see the fruits of his

1452
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:51,920
labors. Uh, and I'm paraphrasing and I
think he he the the idea of a a township

1453
02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:58,480
that is large, medium to large, but
we're not talking a giant machine uh was

1454
02:02:54,480 --> 02:03:02,239
was appealing and and uh that was among
many of the things he said during the

1455
02:02:59,920 --> 02:03:10,080
interview process that uh stood out to
me. But I think we really lucked out uh

1456
02:03:05,679 --> 02:03:14,400
getting Terrence. Um
we're going to continue working to

1457
02:03:11,599 --> 02:03:18,159
strengthen uh partnerships within our
community and outside of it. Continue to

1458
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:23,280
work on investing in infrastructure so
that we can grow the economy in Kumu

1459
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:28,320
Township. Continue working to improve
services. Be data driven. That's another

1460
02:03:26,239 --> 02:03:37,719
thing that stood out about Terrence.
seems very focused on making datadriven

1461
02:03:31,679 --> 02:03:37,719
uh decisions. Uh eyes open, not

1462
02:03:38,320 --> 02:03:46,080
purely just going with the gut or or
things like that. We want to make sure

1463
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:52,080
we're making the right decisions um as
often, if not always, uh as often as

1464
02:03:48,639 --> 02:03:59,119
possible. Um and then we want to support
our employees. uh he seemed uh

1465
02:03:57,440 --> 02:04:05,199
like the sort of leader who will hold
people accountable but absolutely

1466
02:04:01,280 --> 02:04:12,239
support them um and be a leader that's
respected by their subordinates and

1467
02:04:07,599 --> 02:04:19,360
staff. Um and then obviously maintain
the safe safety and resilience of Kumri

1468
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:26,080
Township. So we just wanted to say uh
publicly now that he we have officially

1469
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:30,719
accepted a new manager. Welcome to the
team, Terrence. Uh when I heard he

1470
02:04:28,080 --> 02:04:34,960
accepted the offer, I gave him a a call.
I spoke to him. He was excited. I was

1471
02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:42,560
excited. Um and I think we got great
stuff in store. James, sorry.

1472
02:04:40,159 --> 02:04:45,119
Um
starts the 16th

1473
02:04:44,159 --> 02:04:51,599
» 14
>> 14th

1474
02:04:46,639 --> 02:04:56,800
» of September. Yes. So less than a month.
I should take this opportunity to to to

1475
02:04:54,560 --> 02:05:01,800
extend our gratitude as a township to
Peter. Uh Peter has stepped in

1476
02:05:02,080 --> 02:05:09,040
and
despite

1477
02:05:05,199 --> 02:05:14,080
working part-time and despite quite a
lot of change and tumult that he walked

1478
02:05:11,679 --> 02:05:18,960
into
done an extraordinary job, he's he's

1479
02:05:17,280 --> 02:05:23,360
kept
uh us on track to you know to the best

1480
02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:27,599
of his ability. We've had hiccups I
mentioned earlier. We we've had some

1481
02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:32,960
change and challenges going on, but
Peter has has been a welcome addition.

1482
02:05:30,639 --> 02:05:39,520
And while we're excited to be bringing
uh Terrence on board, we're it is kind

1483
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:43,440
of a bittersweet moment to to have Peter
going, but I'm sure you'll have uh

1484
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:48,760
plenty more ahead of you. But thank you
for for all your hard work.

1485
02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:48,760
» Thanks, Peter.

1486
02:06:04,639 --> 02:06:12,400
Okay, that was the big reveal.
Um,

1487
02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:19,360
the consent agenda on changing the
agenda format. Uh, do we have anything

1488
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:24,480
we need to discuss? I was just going to
give a little bit of background on what

1489
02:06:21,119 --> 02:06:30,719
this is if yeah if I can. So for those
and I think Patty pointed out to to us

1490
02:06:28,320 --> 02:06:37,679
when I was asking this to be put on the
agenda that at some point we actually

1491
02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:42,719
did have a consent agenda. Um but for
whatever reason, I'm not sure what

1492
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:49,920
reason we we didn't continue doing it.
But the idea of a consent agenda is is

1493
02:06:46,719 --> 02:06:53,520
for us to uh it's it's a common
management practice and it's used in m

1494
02:06:52,000 --> 02:07:01,440
municipal governments and other public
bodies uh to basically the purpose is to

1495
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:05,920
spend less time meet less meeting time
taking separate votes on matters that

1496
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:10,960
are routine and generally require little
or no discussion. So, I think we all

1497
02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:16,639
probably would agree we'd love to have
shorter meetings for things that aren't

1498
02:07:14,239 --> 02:07:21,440
or or to spend less time on things that
are sort of routine and mundane and you

1499
02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:27,360
know that we could move through much
more quickly and then spend more time on

1500
02:07:24,320 --> 02:07:34,000
areas where we may need to have more
public participation, more um you know

1501
02:07:31,280 --> 02:07:40,480
discussion and but I think ultimately we
we can be more efficient with our

1502
02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:44,560
meetings by using this. So, um, you
know, with with the caveat being that,

1503
02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:48,880
you know, I think, you know, Tanya and I
can relate to one of the things we ran

1504
02:07:46,159 --> 02:07:53,679
on was transparency, and we want to make
sure that we're not, you know, just

1505
02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:58,480
saying, oh, you know, we're voting yes
to 10 things that, you know, everybody's

1506
02:07:56,480 --> 02:08:02,639
like, what did what did you just vote on
and what what did, you know, you're just

1507
02:08:00,239 --> 02:08:07,119
trying to sneak some things by us here?
That's not the intent. And and I think

1508
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:12,320
what with our what we were talking about
earlier with the agendas going out and

1509
02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:16,639
being published um earlier, say by
Friday, if there are things that are

1510
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:21,599
grouped into this consent agenda, it
might be things like um approving prior

1511
02:08:19,119 --> 02:08:26,320
minute meetings, uh routine reports
received by the board, uh previously

1512
02:08:24,079 --> 02:08:30,639
reviewed administrative matters, routine
appointments or authorizations,

1513
02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:35,119
standard recurring payments or
administrative actions. Those things can

1514
02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:42,079
all be grouped into this cons consent
agenda and voted on with one yay or nay.

1515
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:48,159
But with the caveat being that if if the
any one commissioner of the five can

1516
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:54,079
look at that consent agenda and say you
know what I I want to discuss this. I

1517
02:08:50,639 --> 02:08:58,320
don't want this to um you know be be
just randomly approved. I want to have

1518
02:08:56,719 --> 02:09:03,280
some discussion on it. Then it comes out
of the consent agenda. So uh and also

1519
02:09:01,679 --> 02:09:07,760
even from the public the public public
can have have a voice in that too and

1520
02:09:05,599 --> 02:09:12,480
say that they would like to have some
comment on that particular thing. So we

1521
02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:18,239
we can have flexibility in this consent
agenda to uh to pull pull out what may

1522
02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:27,040
need to be you know discussed by the by
the community or by the commissioners.

1523
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:30,960
Um so that uh see what else. Um
yeah, so residents retain their normal

1524
02:09:29,199 --> 02:09:35,679
opportunity to comment on matters for
before the board. Uh the minutes would

1525
02:09:33,440 --> 02:09:41,679
clearly reflect the individual matters
so that they would be on the agenda

1526
02:09:38,320 --> 02:09:46,880
individually but you know sort of listed
and that would be grouped in the consent

1527
02:09:44,079 --> 02:09:55,040
agenda that we would that we would vote
on um with one one vote. Um,

1528
02:09:52,480 --> 02:09:59,199
so that's, you know, kind of it in a
nutshell. I don't know if anybody has

1529
02:09:57,119 --> 02:10:05,599
any questions.
>> I think it sounds great. Um,

1530
02:10:02,400 --> 02:10:07,199
it will lessen opportunity for me to
blow hot air.

1531
02:10:06,639 --> 02:10:16,400
» Sure.
>> Um, I have just a couple thoughts.

1532
02:10:11,840 --> 02:10:20,480
One is could we perhaps exclude
there's two things that come into my

1533
02:10:17,840 --> 02:10:27,440
mind that I wouldn't want to even give
the potential for a perception that

1534
02:10:24,719 --> 02:10:32,560
something is getting sort of just
bundled and slid through. One is like

1535
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:36,719
substantial or like significant existing
ordinance amendments or or creation of

1536
02:10:35,040 --> 02:10:43,199
new ordinances I don't think would
belong in a consent agenda.

1537
02:10:39,920 --> 02:10:46,639
» Okay. And then like non-dominous
expenses.

1538
02:10:44,320 --> 02:10:50,800
» What I can do is I have [clears throat]
the other municipalities that I

1539
02:10:48,480 --> 02:10:56,320
represent use consent agendas. I can
send you examples of what would be

1540
02:10:53,360 --> 02:11:00,239
listed routinely under a consent agenda
versus what is on their normal agenda

1541
02:10:58,159 --> 02:11:02,159
that they go through one by one.
>> Okay.

1542
02:11:00,560 --> 02:11:06,239
» Um I think it would help you understand
exactly what routine what's considered a

1543
02:11:04,719 --> 02:11:10,480
routine matter versus something that
needs to be called out specifically.

1544
02:11:09,199 --> 02:11:13,920
That sounds great. Yeah.
>> I think the other thing whether you

1545
02:11:12,079 --> 02:11:18,719
wanted to to do this or not, we could
sort of do it on a trial or a pilot

1546
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:24,719
basis, you know, for for three to six
months or something and and just see how

1547
02:11:21,520 --> 02:11:28,639
it worked and, you know, change it if we
need to. Uh but

1548
02:11:27,599 --> 02:11:32,639
uh yeah,
>> I think it sounds great. This is not

1549
02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:36,639
something we need a motion for.
>> No, sorry. No, this is just nodding

1550
02:11:35,040 --> 02:11:38,719
heads. It's a policy decision by the
board.

1551
02:11:37,040 --> 02:11:44,880
» Yeah. Let's
Can you send those to the board and to

1552
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:48,480
Patty and then I think we can get this
rolling and see how it goes in the next

1553
02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:52,159
meeting.
>> It's probably more art than science in

1554
02:11:50,079 --> 02:11:56,960
this thing. So, you know, maybe each
time when Andy reviews the uh agenda for

1555
02:11:54,480 --> 02:12:01,119
the next meeting, you kind of say, "Hey,
this should be in here. This not and

1556
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:06,239
just kind of go through that exercise
basically."

1557
02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:12,639
» It sounds good. Uh thank you for the
suggestion. Um, now, uh, before we break

1558
02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:15,280
for executive session, um,
>> I'm sorry, Andy, could I bring up one

1559
02:12:13,920 --> 02:12:18,800
thing? I think this is a scheduling
thing, so I don't think we have to amend

1560
02:12:17,119 --> 02:12:23,599
the agenda on this. Alicia had asked
about scheduling the budget meetings.

1561
02:12:21,040 --> 02:12:28,719
Um, so I talked to Terrence this
morning, and he talked about just kind

1562
02:12:26,079 --> 02:12:34,159
of putting three dates out there, the
first like three Thursdays in November

1563
02:12:30,719 --> 02:12:38,079
is what's proposed. um just so we could
advertise them and get them on the

1564
02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:41,520
calendar. He's not entirely sure if
we're going to need all three, but it

1565
02:12:40,000 --> 02:12:46,079
would be better to kind of have them and
not need them than the other way around.

1566
02:12:44,239 --> 02:12:50,480
Um but that was kind of pitched out the
first three Thursdays of November.

1567
02:12:48,480 --> 02:12:53,840
» Yeah, we don't need to amend the agenda
for this scheduling matter because the

1568
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:56,960
budget meetings will need to be
advertised and that's the public's

1569
02:12:55,280 --> 02:12:59,960
notice of when they will be held.
>> Right.

1570
02:13:00,400 --> 02:13:05,520
How do does that work datewise?
>> Yeah.

1571
02:13:04,719 --> 02:13:09,520
» Everybody else,
>> please.

1572
02:13:06,239 --> 02:13:17,360
» Going to do six here.
I do seven. Like go six. I'd prefer six.

1573
02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:22,199
» Yeah, that works for me, too.
>> Yeah, I'd prefer earlier as well.

1574
02:13:23,440 --> 02:13:29,920
» Okay, sounds like we're good for the
first three Thursdays in November then.

1575
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:32,480
Um, Patty, are you gonna advertise these
meetings or would you like my office to

1576
02:13:31,280 --> 02:13:37,119
do that?
>> I can do it.

1577
02:13:34,639 --> 02:13:41,119
» So, you got that the first um three
Thursdays in November 6:00 at the

1578
02:13:38,960 --> 02:13:43,199
township building for budget meeting?
>> Yes.

1579
02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:46,199
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Sure.

1580
02:13:50,719 --> 02:14:00,000
» Uh, awesome.
Thank you for bringing that up, Felicia

1581
02:13:55,199 --> 02:14:07,280
and Greg. Um the before we break for the
executive session, uh a couple of

1582
02:14:02,960 --> 02:14:12,960
matters of correspondence. Uh we had a
letter to the owner of 822 Church Road

1583
02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:22,560
with regard to the Burks County Bladed
Property uh review committee. Same thing

1584
02:14:16,480 --> 02:14:27,040
for owner of 748 Tamarak Trail.
Um,

1585
02:14:24,159 --> 02:14:33,679
same for 1021 Freemansville Road, which
I believe we discussed also recently.

1586
02:14:30,320 --> 02:14:38,079
Uh, PML and PSATC
uh, municipal leadership summit. It's

1587
02:14:35,679 --> 02:14:42,719
coming up October 7th to 10th in
Hershey. I don't even know if there's

1588
02:14:40,159 --> 02:14:47,040
time to still sign up. Uh, but reach out
to Patty if any of the board members

1589
02:14:44,560 --> 02:14:51,440
would like to attend. Uh the PAT's
Lehigh Valley Regional Forum uh

1590
02:14:49,440 --> 02:14:56,639
notification for September 15th was
received uh on July 31st. Public

1591
02:14:54,560 --> 02:15:03,119
reminders uh we have a zoning hearing
board meeting August 25th at 6. Board of

1592
02:15:00,880 --> 02:15:08,639
Commissioners meetings for September
will be the regular meeting on September

1593
02:15:05,760 --> 02:15:12,560
15th at 7 p.m. There's a fifth Tuesday.
So we have a fifth Tuesday meeting on

1594
02:15:10,079 --> 02:15:17,920
September 29th at 7 PM. We have a
planning commission meeting on September

1595
02:15:14,239 --> 02:15:24,000
14th at 6 PM. Uh
that date was changed because of Labor

1596
02:15:20,719 --> 02:15:29,040
Day. Uh which skipping to F the office
will be closed on Monday, September 7th

1597
02:15:26,480 --> 02:15:33,920
for Labor Day. Uh tax collector and
codes department monthly reports are

1598
02:15:30,719 --> 02:15:39,760
available on the website. Uh if you can
find them. Uh,

1599
02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:43,440
that said,
no, I believe Patty tries to put them

1600
02:15:41,119 --> 02:15:47,920
like right up top. So,
uh, no offense, Patty. Um,

1601
02:15:45,599 --> 02:15:52,719
» no, if I could say something, um, I
don't know what was going on, but I was

1602
02:15:49,920 --> 02:15:59,599
actually locked out from accessing our
website by a firewall. Um, so I couldn't

1603
02:15:56,639 --> 02:16:04,719
even access it. And I did put the
minutes on and they're showing when I go

1604
02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:10,560
into preview and they are not showing
when I get to the website. Um so I I

1605
02:16:08,239 --> 02:16:16,159
that's another fight I have to get when
I get back in the office. So um the

1606
02:16:13,840 --> 02:16:21,440
planning commission minutes are on and
these reports are on and the agenda was

1607
02:16:18,719 --> 02:16:26,560
on. So I was really praying that the
agenda got on because that's that's the

1608
02:16:23,760 --> 02:16:31,199
that's the biggie. Um, but yes, I I am
working on getting that stuff on. I

1609
02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:35,200
don't know. A new website can't come
soon enough is all I have to say.

1610
02:16:33,519 --> 02:16:38,639
» Yes, Patty, when I spoke to her
yesterday, let me know there was

1611
02:16:36,719 --> 02:16:45,120
technical difficulties. As I said
before, we are working to

1612
02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:50,800
address the issue. Thank you, Patty. Uh,
with that, we're going to break for an

1613
02:16:46,319 --> 02:16:52,800
executive session. Thanks, everyone.
All

1614
02:16:53,679 --> 02:17:01,599
right. The board just held an executive
session where they discussed um two

1615
02:16:58,399 --> 02:17:06,240
matters of personnel issues and one
potential matter of litigation. There is

1616
02:17:04,080 --> 02:17:12,319
some action coming out of that executive
session tonight. The first is I'm

1617
02:17:08,719 --> 02:17:19,519
looking for a motion to hire um the
proposed finance manager and reorganize

1618
02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:23,920
um administration positions um certain
administration positions

1619
02:17:21,760 --> 02:17:26,880
um and provide salary adjustments based
on that reorganization.

1620
02:17:25,679 --> 02:17:31,519
» So moved.
>> Second.

1621
02:17:29,679 --> 02:17:33,040
» All in favor, please signify by saying
I.

1622
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:38,000
» I. I.
>> All opposed. Well, I agree with

1623
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:45,240
everything, but I'm I'm still not in
agreement with the salary. So, how do I

1624
02:17:41,840 --> 02:17:45,240
vote on that?

1625
02:17:46,080 --> 02:17:49,080
» Or

1626
02:17:49,679 --> 02:17:53,800
you want to split it?

1627
02:17:54,479 --> 02:18:02,479
» Okay. Um,
you can you can do a motion to hire the

1628
02:18:00,000 --> 02:18:08,399
finance manager first.
All in favor of uh hiring the finance

1629
02:18:06,399 --> 02:18:11,760
manager.
>> I I

1630
02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:15,439
» I am.
>> All those.

1631
02:18:13,679 --> 02:18:18,639
Okay. Then separately was the
reorganization

1632
02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:24,479
» a motion to reorganize certain positions
within the administration department.

1633
02:18:22,399 --> 02:18:28,319
» All in favor? So move.
>> Is that including the pays or the

1634
02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:32,160
positions?
>> Okay.

1635
02:18:30,800 --> 02:18:37,200
That's an I for me.
>> So moved.

1636
02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:40,639
» I I
>> uh now the pay adjustments is the third

1637
02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:44,880
mo motion.
>> Motion number three to provide salary

1638
02:18:42,479 --> 02:18:47,920
adjustments to the positions that are
getting reorganized within an

1639
02:18:46,479 --> 02:18:50,080
administration.
>> So moved.

1640
02:18:49,040 --> 02:18:52,160
» Second.
>> All in favor, please signify by saying

1641
02:18:51,760 --> 02:18:55,519
I.
>> I. I. All opposed?

1642
02:18:54,080 --> 02:19:00,399
» Nay.
>> Okay. Uh motion carries. There anything

1643
02:18:58,399 --> 02:19:05,040
else? Uh yeah, one more motion. That
would be a motion not to extend a

1644
02:19:02,719 --> 02:19:10,160
permanent employment position to a
probationary employee from the police

1645
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:13,120
department. Um and for that employment
to terminate at the end of her

1646
02:19:11,359 --> 02:19:14,559
probationary period.
>> So moved.

1647
02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:16,800
» Second.
>> All in favor, please signify by saying

1648
02:19:16,240 --> 02:19:22,240
I.
>> I. All opposed. Motion carries. One

1649
02:19:20,160 --> 02:19:27,240
» one quick question on the reorgan. I was
proud to ask when that would take

1650
02:19:23,519 --> 02:19:27,240
effect. Would that be immediate?

1651
02:19:27,439 --> 02:19:30,000
» Okay.

1652
02:19:36,399 --> 02:19:39,920
Move to adjurnn.
>> I second.

1653
02:19:38,399 --> 02:19:44,719
» All in favor? I
>> I

1654
02:19:42,160 --> 02:19:44,719
» sorry.