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» Good luck.
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» Okay. Uh, thanks, folks.
>> You know, first and foremost, I want to

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address some of the comments being made
online that really affect Jordan Sier.

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» Introduce yourself, sir.
>> Tell these people who you are. How are

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you?
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» Sure. My name is Jay Trust.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» You bet.
>> My name is Jay Trust. Uh we purchased

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the property just uh just north of here,
just north of Bill.

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Uh
the property is being discussed today.

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we haven't proposed anything to plan.
>> What we did was we we we bought the

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property and then we submitted a
pre-application

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uh a pre-applica a pre-planning
application and in fact I made a

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conscious effort to stay completely as
far away from it as possible and be a uh

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investor with with Sienna and Jordan. uh
they completed the the the

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pre-application process
um and we were essentially looking at

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what the opportunities were, what could
be what could be facilitated with this

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property.
And yes, as Bill came back and

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discussed, we received our
pre-application review. It was conducted

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by Zach Moody who's out of Medford
and he identified that a smallcale

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private campground would be an allowable
use. It would require so and I can just

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read some of this to you uh to read some
of this to you now

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» and it may clear up some of the
>> just a quick question to clarify the

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process because they talked about
And so what is the process that you went

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through to say okay
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how does that work
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say the majority of the questions that
that's the surrounding question right

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because a lot of the accusations are
that I was manipulating the the process

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etc etc etc um
which I was not but

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But
so here's what it is. So here here's the

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rural residential zoning. Rural
residential zoning has two outright

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permitted uses. Okay. Uh single family
dwelling or mobile home and farming and

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forestry use. Okay. Then when you go to
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the first part of pharmacy farming and
forestry use is subject to the approval

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of the county governing body or its
designate. So we the commissioners don't

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make those decisions. We have a
designate who does that.

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» That's the plan our contracted planner
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And it says a private campground may be
established in an area zone for forest

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or mixed farm use subject to the
approval of the county governing body or

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its designate.
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It's a use for them for our R5. It is a
use not

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and the the reality is a little more
that's your interpretation. All we did

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was ask the question.
>> I didn't create the interpretation.

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» Okay.
>> As much as some people want to believe,

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» I had no
>> I did. I'm clarifying what is real. I've

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read all of it. So, so, so, so, so, so
when it says farming and forestry use is

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an outright permitted use in our our
zoning areas,

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the farming and forestry use is the use.
And if there's an outright use within

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farming and forestry zoning, that's
that's how I'm interpreting what they

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wrote to us.
>> That's how I'm interpreting that. So J,

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would you have to re have it reszoneed
to forestry grazing to do this

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» or would you keep it as an RR5 and be
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» not grazing project?
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So, so because and I'm just reading
>> I'm just reading what they wrote and and

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I'll read I'll read the conclusion
because that's the easiest that's the

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the cleanest statement in the in in the
entire uh pre-application. Now, I want

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to remind you as well,
>> Bill is right. Like, we don't have the

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plan. You don't have the plan until you
find out whether or not it's something

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you can actually execute, which was why
we did the pre-planning discussion

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because we wanted to see if it was even
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» Are you excavating now?
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» you don't have anybody over there
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» No, so we have some of our equipment
because we we're storing it there

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because uh Jordan does have an
excavation business. Uh so that is

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sitting there certainly but you yeah you
you you can look from the the 101 and

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see that it's just sand sitting there
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um back to back to the
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» Yes. Go ahead. Sorry.
>> So you're in the pre-planning. Yes. What

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have your conversations with EQ
regarding waste and what is your plan

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pre-plann there
pre-planning process?

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» We have literally we all we have
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application to the county.
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without any conversation with
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just they just write what you're capable
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zones of what you can do. And so
>> do they have anything specific to waste

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water or water use in general in this
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» Oh, there's all the restrictions that
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read the conclusion that might help?
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Here's
the conclusions the concluding statement

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by by Zach Moody.
The proposed development of a small

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scale luxury RV resort and campground by
TK Ventures LLC at 24298 Carpenterville

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Road represents a project that is
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as a forestry use under RS215.49459

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subject to planning clearance review by
the planning director. However, approval

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is contingent upon the applicant's
ability to demonstrate full full

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compliance with all applicable
provisions of the Curry County zoning

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ordinance, including but not limited to
the standards listed above. So, that

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those are where your your concerns are
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» Well, think how close you are to the
river there treatments to that is going

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to be I we do something for a living.
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Uh I I I feel pretty confident that
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somewhat abandoned the idea of a septic
system like and like actually because if

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we're talking two weeks,
right? In in in fact in in in order to

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in order to be compliance with the
campground ordinance, it has to be less

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than 30 days, right? That's all
campground ordinance. So, and we had

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anticipated of of maintaining around a
two week uh maximum stay. We don't want

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what we don't want the the long the
long-term thing isn't an option. So in

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fact that's why we were sticking with
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doing the black water. We we had ex we
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having a uh like a dump station with a
control tank that we would have to pay

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to have pumped uh on a regular basis. Uh
or else they'll have to drive to Harris

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Beach to the dump station at Harris
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» But you're going to have a lot of
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to do that.
>> They're already doing it.

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» It's illegal,
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» They're they're doing it there. If we
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» I I appreciate the assumption. I I don't
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» So the thing with the the black and this
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» we spend a lot of years in our motor
home traveling every weekend to

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different motocross tracks and I did
this for years and years all over

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Northern California, Oregon and up into
Washington. And I will tell you for

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instance I was at Wugub at the big
national race. Now it's a dry camping

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situation. I get up in the morning have
my cup of coffee 06 and you look across

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the way down below and I see another
motor home. It's getting we're getting

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close to leaving. You know, people are
mo the big events are over. People are

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getting ready to head out. Motor homes
are leaving. So, I look out there and I

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look down into the trees and I see a guy
that has dug a hole. I'm not I'm not

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This is the real being truthful. He dug
a hole with a shovel. He opened his

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black water and he dumped it in that
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» and then he filled it over. That's how I
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That's one of my concerns when I say
environmental because again, I've got

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little kids walking down that road
through the campground. I got a dog, you

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know, now I get a dog that runs over and
sticks his nose in this thing and man

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comes home and licks the baby in the
face. You know, that's I know I know the

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intent would be what you just said. Hey,
go Har Beach or we do a dump station at

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your place or whatever. But there's
always going to be those guys

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» and I've seen them. So just something to
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» I have a question.
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» Okay. You kind of contradicted yourself
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to move the people out off of the 101
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However, when you were talking, you
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luxury
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» What What is that?
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» I I don't know the I I don't know
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when we applied. We just set a
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» yeah. Well, let me answer this one
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so
one of the things that we have been

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discussing again and I'm glad actually
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none of the none of our information is
finalized in terms of what we plan to

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present.
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um, it's normal to have an expectation
of RVs no older than 15 years with with

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and they have to have if if they're
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uh you you have to basically get a a
pre-approval by sending in the pictures

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of your condition of your of your
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are correct where we had to send in a
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But my my question still is
it's conclusion of the luxury versus the

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people on Highway 101 is completely
different. And if you're talking luxury,

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are you going to have a campost
who's going to be monitoring any of

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these things? I mean,
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Yeah, that's um so that is that isn't
absolute. In fact, initially uh Jordan

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and Sienna would uh would be living on
site to manage for the first to for to

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get through the first year or so
startups. There will be a full-time

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campost probably u well possibly two
because a lot of times one of them wants

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to go on vacation and need someone to
pack a month. Um so yes yes yes there

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would be full-time supervision.
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model if I just to give everybody an
understanding of the model of the idea

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would be florist.
Okay. Uh that's in in my estimation the

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the closest
model to what we in were initially

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envisioning. Now again
it all I mean we don't have anything

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solidified. So a lot of the the answers
I'm giving you are just what we've had

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in discussion.
Uh because as Bill pointed out we we

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haven't started building the plant.
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was
>> Yes. What's the big draw here? What's

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going to draw these tourists here? They
have no access to a river that is mostly

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private but a beach. What's the big draw
here? What's going to make them all come

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here? Why would you do that to us
without even telling us before that

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» when you to
inform everybody if we didn't initiate

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this with Would you have initiated it
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» Um, well, I did. I initiated it with
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» Oh, no. No. The community, the whole
community, because you're everything

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that you do that is going to affect this
entire community. And talking to Bill is

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not the entire community.
>> If he didn't share it with us, none of

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us would know what you were doing.
>> That's right. And so all of us would be

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our lights going to change. Our
traffic's going to change. Our

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infrastructure is going to be um taxed.
We don't have any sheriff and fire

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support for this. Our property values
are going to plummet. I understand that

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you have your savings in it, but this is
everybody has their life savings in it,

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too.
>> So the thing is is you're you're

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inviting people into a community that is
going to not be open to them. Everybody

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does. Nobody wants these people. be
walking on the property across the

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property to get to our river. The river
is going to have algae bloom. So,

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they're not going to be able to let
their kids or their dogs into the river

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unless they want their dogs to die and
that would be really good reviews for

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you. Yeah, we took our dogs in the
river. It got algae bloom and it died.

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Great RV park. So, I just see a lot of
problems with this. I see light

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pollution. I see sound pollution. I see
safety. I see an influx of people that

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are are going to be wandering around
with their side by sides. I see people

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decimating all the various that
everybody here picks to to to sustain

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themselves over the season. I see
swimming pools being inundated by

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people. I see garbage coming in with
them. I see people not picking up after

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their animals. And by the way, when you
say your RVs are going to be 15 years, I

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don't know if you saw all those RVs and
those buses that were parked there for

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for months during CO. They were not 15
years or newer. Those buses were old.

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How are you going to maintain that that
level of of who's going to be like

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inspecting these things and are you
going to turn people away if they don't

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if they're not 15 years or newer? How
what are you going to do about all that?

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To follow on that
um a lot of these are details which is

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incredibly important.

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But my question
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that. So a lot of

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jump through to get it to be approved as
an RV park and you as the chair

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commissioner
happen to our county government. you

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have close connections with this person
who is the one who has to obey it. So it

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just smacks of insider trading.

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» May I make a suggestion? How about both
property owners? You keep mentioning

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Sienna and Jordan. Let's have all the
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» instead of laughing in the corner.
>> And what about It's your property and

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your proposal.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you very much.

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» That's appropriate.
>> That's appropriate.

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» Eleanor asked that we handle this in a
controlled manner and I'm one to

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respect. I I respect the concerns and I
respect the the unknowns, the fears.

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They're certainly real,
>> but you can't answer questions for

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everyone if everyone is shouting at you.
>> Well, and I appreciate that and I and I

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do understand that for a lot of you that
was probably the intent. You know, you

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wanted your your pint uh
>> done of flesh. I'm sure

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» we just begun this.
>> So, um understood. Uh okay.

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So this is two part. The first one's
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» Do you live here in this?
>> Does it matter?

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» It doesn't matter.
>> Ladies and gentlemen, I will identify

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myself. Thank you.
>> I am Jeremy Dire

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County Commissioner.
>> My question is two part.

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» One, how many campsites are you supposed
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» We don't So, so we had a initial rough
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going to fit
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» Uh, we don't know.
>> Flores Lake is 18.

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» So,
>> yeah, Flores Lake has 18, which he just

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said was his example.

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» Room lived in Pistol River during 2010.

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2010 I was a forest officer of Fuse
Force Protect Association

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» when a semi truck struck a passenger
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» right
>> that fire

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sparked on the west side of the highway
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» and ran I believe it was 100 acres
>> in short order the only thing that

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stopped that fire was the shore pines
>> that's right

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» it jumped a four lane sections highway
way right up against where we're sitting

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here.
>> Right out here by us.

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» My question is very simple. How can you
think that having a campsite with open

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fires and an area of high winds and
residential use be approvable and

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acceptable in such conditions?
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you you know more about the plan than I
do because we haven't discussed anything

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on fire. So, there's been no proposal
for discussing

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one of the first things you consider
when you do something like this. What

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would be the impact on these people? We
might destroy everybody's home in this

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area with one careless camper. Are you
going to put that bill?

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Can we take it out? Can we come back?
Mr. Tro, your campsite caused a fire and

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wiped out the entire Pistol River area.
What are you going to do about that? Are

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you going to pay our deductibles? Are
you going to take care of us? Are you

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going to come down here and and and help
the insurance people assess our our

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damage? What are you guys going to do
about that? Are you going to jump? Are

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you going to come down here, jump on
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» What are you going to do? I I I'm not
I'm not going to answer your question

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» cuz you didn't consider it.
>> We haven't even put together a proposal.

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» But that should be
>> all we have done is ask what is capable

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of being done.
>> Like I I I think that

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» we don't want we don't want you here.

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I'll listen to your question.

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» Not many, not all
maintain their own defensive fire.

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ownership kind of fire that happens by
each individual property owner. But I

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want to know what do you think your camp
is going to give to the people the

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community
there's no

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service you're going to collect money
but what are you going to give to the

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community
if you want to be a me

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» right so here so a couple of things um
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uh been considering should this bill get
through is uh offering like

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a week week long free stays for each
household.

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But I mean
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» my wife and I have
we donate anywhere between 12 to 14,000

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a year back into the
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» because we
>> I understand this.

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» My point is is that
We we believe in reinvesting

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into the communities that work in

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» the rest of
>> Can you guys hear me?

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» Yes.
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purchased the property
>> and you're leaving.

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» So to be honest with you, I would like
to take some ownership over the

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investigation of the development of this
property. This has been one of my

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passion projects. I work in development
for a living and I have dreams of

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creating little gems here and there.
This is a community I grew up in and the

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community that I love for Kansas. And so
I'm not going to say that our initial

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intention was to p purchase this
property for this.

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» We purchased the property because we
thought it was an opportunity, a really

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cool piece of property in a really
beautiful area.

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» And so I kind of set out on a journey
with the county planner to see what I

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could do with what's available to me.
Whether it's an a house, building a

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house. I work in architecture for a
living,

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» right? So I I've been building that's
what I do

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» for something
>> and that's still an absolute

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possibility. So to be honest with
everyone in this room, I don't have a

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lot of answers because this was an
attempt to start a dialogue with the

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county planner.

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She started with the planner.
>> Right.

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» Right. So, I started the dialogue with
the planner and I apologize to everyone

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in this room for not opening the floor
to conversation to all of you. Um, I

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would be happy to answer questions to
the best of my ability as long as

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they're presented in a respectful,
reasonable way if I have an answer to

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them.
>> Okay, I'm just going to preface that. I

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I don't have time to stand up here and
argue and defend myself. Okay.

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» Can I ask a question?
>> Absolutely.

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» I want to
county

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and I want to ask about this because
of his

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county
employee.

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Who's involved in hiring?