Good evening, everyone. Welcome to our town council workshop. Today is February 15, 2023.
If you could please take roll. Council Member Ramirez.
Here. Council Member Lord.
Here. Council Member Duncan.
Here. Vice Mayor Callaghan.
Here. Mayor Mirabat.
Present.
We have a quorum.
If you could please rise with me and join me for pleasant allegiance.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for
which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
Good evening, everyone. Welcome to our workshop. We'll get to talk a little bit about our
little pool a little bit. First, I'd just like to welcome our new communications manager.
Welcome. Just so you know, you don't have to wear a tie to our meetings. We're very casual,
okay? So you can relax. All right. With that, I'm going to go ahead and turn it over to
Ralph, sir.
Thank you, Mr. Council. And the purpose of this workshop is just to provide some guidance
to town staff. And I just want to do a little brief history. As you recall, one
of the items that early on that we did with the American Rescue Plan funds, we commissioned
STANTEC to do a full assessment of our qualifiers that we call the pool. Since that time, they've
actually gone to our Parks and Recreation Committee, provided a detailed platform presentation.
And several months ago at a council meeting, provided a report to the council. So that's
where we're at today. And then I also like to go ahead and introduce we have
Etienne Bergeron, our Parks and Recreation Director. We have Michelle Horne, our aquatic
facility manager. And then we also have Sean Campell from STANTEC and Terry Glunt, as
I call the pool guy. That has spent several days and weeks over in our pool. It was
the author of the report that we have here tonight, Mayor and members of the council.
Tonight, what we're really seeking is just some a little bit of guidance where
the size of the pool, we know that there's a Parks and Recreation Commission advisory.
And also the location of the pool. So with that, Mayor, I'll just open it up for any questions.
Do you have any further questions from the council?
If needed, we could do a presentation. We've done it before with the council. I mean, it's
I really don't think we need to. Yeah, you're right. I mean, all right, bottom line,
pool's old, not worth fixing. It needs to be replaced. Okay. Many disagree with that.
So with that, I'll open it up. I'd like to, I guess, recognize the Vice Mayor. He's been
working with the town advisory committee. So if you don't mind starting with you, you
have the most knowledge I think of this and your thoughts and ideas.
Sure. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Been working on this project for a long time. This even
goes back before the assessment of the pool when we commissioned a architectural firm to
evaluate the possibility of building a new aquatic center, right? Because we knew even
back then that the pool was on its last leg. And through that whole process of public
meetings and park committee involvement, that process, I think the price tag on that was
about $15 million and it was just not feasible for us to move forward.
At that time, we didn't have the 16 acres, right? So there was always a question of where
were we going to put a new aquatic center, right? But lo and behold with the acquisition
of the 16 acres, this opened up a whole brand new possibility. So we approached,
we revisited the idea, right? Now that we have more flexibility in a location, we're
able to get Stantec to evaluate the pool for us, right? To give us a strong analysis
of where we stood. We always knew that the pool was in dire need. But obviously we
want to thank Stantec for their very detailed report on the pool that they've
shared with all of us. And basically, there were a couple of options that were
presented to the Parks and Recreational Advisory Committee based on the report.
One, we had the opportunity to repair the current pool. It would have taken
extensive repairs and cost almost as much money as a new pool would. And one of
the questions that were asked of the firm was what is the guarantee that those repairs
and modifications would last for a period of time? And of course, there is no guarantee
just because of the basic foundation of the existing pool. So based on that
information, the Parks and Recreational Advisory Committee made the determination
that it would probably be in the best interest of the community and financially
that we move forward with constructing a new pool. So the question then is where,
right? We could construct a new pool in the existing Coloritch Park, right?
But what are the benefits there? What are the drawbacks? One, you have to shut
the pool down for a period of two years or whatever during the construction phase,
right? So the community would be without a pool. The second part is that the
price, the pricing, which was a ballpark preliminary pricing for a pool that we
chose that the Parks and Recreational Advisory Committee chose that they
thought would be the best for the community was about $1.8 million
a slightly more. But that didn't include the construction of ancillary buildings,
right? So if we demoed the existing pool, put a new pool there, we would still
have to spend additional funding $800 to a million for locker rooms, bathrooms,
offices, equipment rooms, right? So the initial price of the pool looks
okay until then you take into consideration that there's about another
million dollars worth of cost that would be associated with rebuilding the pool
in its current location. After analyzing that, we looked at the 16-acre property.
What are the benefits of having the pool at the 16-acre property? One,
we're building our municipal building there. There's going to possibly be a
community center there. We're building from the ground up, so we're not rebuilding
in the same area. Two or three, the funding for the, it generated through
ARPA funds, which means that we don't have to touch the bond money to build
the pool. So the pool in itself that cost that $1.8 to $2 million through
ARPA money, but now we can share the ancillary building from the community
center or the municipal center, right? So you have, we're already going to be
building bathrooms. If we have a community center that has a recreational element
to it, you're already going to be building bathrooms. You're already going to
be building locker rooms. You're already going to be building a concession.
You're already going to be adding all of these ancillary support facilities,
right, that we can piggyback off the pool. The other benefit is that we can keep
the current pool open during this construction process. So the community
basically doesn't lose anything while we go through this process if the
decision was made to add the pool to the 16-acres. When the Parks and
Recreational Advisory Committee looked at all of this information,
looked at the pros and the cons from all three options, rebuilding the existing
pool, building a new pool in the current location, or building a new pool in
the 16-acres, the decision that the Parks and Recreational Advisory
Committee came out with is that it would be probably in the best interest
financially and in the interest of the community to build it in the 16-acres.
We also looked at the type of pool, and what we determined that the best pool
for us would be a 25 by 25, which is a 25-yard or a short course pool, right,
but the depth of the pool would be deep enough to be able to accommodate
other programming, not only swimming, but water polo, SCUBA certification,
lifeguard certification, and obviously swim lessons and all those types of
things. But by building this pool to regulation standards, which our
current pool is not regulation. So we can't hold sanctioned meets there.
We can't hold any sanctioned high school meets. We can't hold any
sanctioned club meets because it doesn't meet that criteria.
By building a regulation pool, 25 by 25 eight lanes, we have the ability
to be able to use that facility to host swim meets, host high school meets,
host district regional meets, right? The other thing, too, is the parking,
right? If we're going to be able to have those types of events at this pool,
we're going to have the parking available in the 16 acres, right?
If we rebuild in the existing space, we are still going to be challenged
by the parking that we have in that park. And if we have a swim meet
on a Saturday that you have the same on the same Saturday as the
soccer clubs and, you know, it just it becomes chaos and everybody's
parking in everybody's yard. So based on all of that, that's the
recommendation that came out of the Parks Committee after we analyzed
all of the options and, you know, what they thought was in the best
interest, both financially and in the best interest of the community.
So just...
Yes, DJ, you recognized?
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Mr. Vice Mayor.
That's a wonderful position.
Two questions that I would have, and I'm not opposed at all to the
consideration of having a pool, a regulation size pool included in, you
know, what the final 16 acres plan would be. Two questions, mainly
one question and then a comment. Have we looked into or do we know
what the cost would be to remove or to fill in the current pool
at the time in which we would move to the new location?
That cost has not been considered at this time.
Okay. And then my only other comment would be, I think, you know, if we are
looking at whether it is utilizing the 16 acres for this purpose and
kind of starting from the ground up and or repurposing in the future,
you know, where the current pool is that would no longer be there.
I think the town, it would behoove us to consider and think about
future uses potentially such as like a splash and play area for town
and children residents, something that we don't have or, you know, items of
that nature that are water items, water activities that aren't
necessarily swimming that we don't have currently within our town that
I think would benefit our town residents. So that's my two
cents on that.
Yeah, I appreciate that. The Parks and Recreational Advisory
Committee has already started looking into options for that space.
Nothing has been finalized or is still in the very infancy of the idea
process, but some ideas that have been tossed around.
And I do like the idea of a splash and play.
I do like that idea, but some ideas that have been tossed around
now, of course, or pickleball courts. This seems to be the huge craze
today.
But yes, we would repurpose that area, you know, to enhance the town,
you know, whether it be pickleball courts, splash and play, additional
parking in the park, you know, those types of options.
Awesome. I ultimately, so like I said, if we end up ultimately choosing as a
council to go forward with with a regulation size pool at the
68ers, and we're tapping into ARPA funding for said pool as opposed to
bond money, then I think we might want to also consider having
additional amenities that are water based for children that are not
swimming in addition to the pool.
That's it. Thank you.
Thank you.
All right. You know, I agree with the recommendation of moving the pool
over there.
And I just want to talk about a couple of things.
The councilman Duncan's point of perhaps maybe including a splash and play
area in that pool.
The ARPA money that we have, we have to kind of really look at that as a
whole, where we're going to spend it at.
And not to mention that, you know, where is a splash and play more conducive
to encourage activity, you know, is it in the center of our new
green space or the tucked away by a pool someplace.
You know, those are things that we can always incorporate a splash
and play in our 16 acre park that's going to be going in as well.
The main question I had is, you know, I love the idea that we can
use ARPA money instead of bond money.
I mean, that's just like using your uncle's credit card.
The only question is, and do we take advantage of it?
If your uncle gives you a credit card, you obviously want to take advantage of
the fullest of your ability, especially because there are rumblings
now that some of the senators are going to bring in forward.
Hey, if you haven't spent this ARPA money yet, too late,
you're not going to be able to use it.
So we have to make sure we spend it in a timely manner as well.
At least that's just my understanding.
The recommend...
The recommendation on the size of the pool was at 25 yards or meters by 25. Could you give
me a little bit more on why you believe that's better than having a full competition pool?
Well, so there are two types of sanctioned swimming pools, right? You have a long course
and a short course. Back in the day, they used to be seasons, right? When I used to
swim competitive, there used to be seasons. There would be a long course and a short course.
The 25-yard, so it's a 25-yard pool, which is the short course pool, versus a 50-meter
pool, which is a long course pool, which is they call an Olympic-sized pool, right? And
of course, that's, you know, that's the type of events that are held in the Olympics
is on a long course pool. You know, what are the benefits? I mean, there's really
not a whole lot of benefits to spending, and I get the arc of money, right? But there's
not a whole lot of benefits that are different between a long course and a short course pool,
right? Because in a short, with all of, and we had this discussion in very, very
heavily in the Parks and Recreational Advisory Committee meeting, you know, we can accommodate
all of the programming that we need to in a short course pool, right? Competitive swimming,
water polo, like I mentioned, you know, the SCUBA certification, the Lifeguard certification,
which was very important to our aquatics coordinator, right? Swim lessons, you know, with the
zero entrance, the adult, all of the adult programming, right? All of that can be
accommodated within a short course pool. If we go to a long course pool, I don't
believe that we gain any additional benefits through, one, the extra cost in understanding
the ARPA. But the main, my main issue there is that now I'm taking up twice as much space
in our community center, right? That we're not going to gain that much more programming,
right? So it's not like, in a short course pool, you can do 15 things, and if you have
a long course pool, you can do 30 things. No. We can do everything that we need to in
a short course pool, and a long course pool is not going to gain us any additional programming,
right? The only thing that it would gain is in swimming. That's really the end of
it. But I've always taken the position, and I took this position in the parks meeting,
is that a short course pool is a certain size, right? If you double that size, I just don't
want our 16 acres in our community center to be about a pool, because a long course
pool takes up a lot of space, a lot of space, you know, whereas a short course pool takes
up half the space and still accommodates. Short course is 25 meters, long is 50.
Short course is 25 yards. Okay, yards. Long course is 50 meters.
Okay. So it's about double. It's about double, correct.
Rafa, I mean, I don't know what the involvement of our, I mean, we have Michelle here. She was our,
I guess, our pool manager and kind of knows swimming very well as well.
Was, did she give her input for the advisory committee?
She did, yes. She spent two meetings that I know of, and I really appreciate your involvement,
because she was very much involved in the process. It's not like she just came
and made a presentation. She did come and make a presentation, but she spent at least two
full meetings with us. And as the committee was going through this process, she was offering
her ideas and making sure that as we were considering what the best option
were, that we were accommodating all of the things that she needed in terms of her total
programming. One thing I'm not clear on. So you can have like 16 different events there.
You can have water polo, regular swimming, companies like that. What about simultaneously?
Does having a larger pool give you the ability to have the utilization without
overlap? Is that an issue right now? Michelle, do you want to come up for a minute?
I was going to say Mayor and Members of the Council, we have Michelle and also Terry,
if you come up too. Terry, our consultant as well, because obviously we have wonderful
aquatic managers, Michelle, who's there, boots on the ground every day. And then we also have
the advantage of Terry, that this is what he does strictly for Stantic throughout the
entire state. So whatever answers you get. I don't want to put you on the spot, but
again, we have our Uncle's credit card. Okay, I keep saying it that way. But so let's get the
best thing possible. So if you just give me a share of your opinion with the council, please.
Just touch it button there. There we go. So as of right now, we do have a lot of teams that
want to use the pool. And they currently either cannot, because we don't have the time for
them, the space for them. So yes, a 50 meter pool would allow us to host multiple teams or
even, for example, our Cutler Bay water polo team. They right now cannot have the boys
and the girls playing at the same time, because there's just not space for them.
So they have to rotate maybe the boys Monday, Wednesday, Friday, the girls Tuesday, Thursday,
things like that. So we could use the space. We could host a lot more teams. We just
currently only have two recreational and one currently one high school because
coral reef does not currently want to swim at our pool. They want to swim at like a pool that
is sanctioned for water polo. Since ours is not, they don't feel it makes sense to even practice at
ours. Okay, Kerry, you want to give your input as well? Of course. And yeah, Michelle and I did
a lot of work together when we were doing the original assessment. So she was heavily involved.
I'm going to just point out that the 25 meter by 25 yard pool
does allow you in the yard direction, sanctioned for Florida High School Athletic Association
events in the metric is sanctioned by US swimming as well as FINA and Olympics. So
they do tend to use different nomenclature, so to speak. But the one advantage of a 50 meter
pool by a 25 yard will allow you to swim 10 lanes on one side of the 50 meters and now
10 lanes on the other side of the 50 meters. So you now have 20 lane capability in the 25 yard
direction, which would allow you to streamline your events. You could have 10 lanes for boys
events, 10 lanes for girls events going on simultaneously. It really streamlines it or
you can have tournaments with multiple schools coming in and being able to take advantage of all
of those. So that's the one advantage. Obviously the flip side of that is bigger pool, more equipment,
larger restrooms, things like that. But the 25 meter does allow you to do certain activities on
half the pool and then do different activities on the other, as well as larger events and more
streamlined efficient meets. Are there, how many other Olympic sized pools are there in the South
State area? Oh, there's lots. And seriously, there are a lot. Most of the colleges and universities
are all at 50 meter. Almost all of them, some have multiple pools at 50 meters.
I'm going to just start with Broward because I know them like the back of my
update County South State. Actually, I'm looking at only South State. Yeah. Southridge
have a 50 meter. They only 25 by 25. No, Southridge, Southridge Park. They didn't know.
Oh, no, they don't even. They don't have a pool yet. No, they didn't build it.
Well, no reason not have a pool. Southdade has a pool, but it is Miami.
Miami Dade College has a long course pool. The University of Miami has a long course pool.
I believe Gulliver Academy has a long. They used to have a short course pool,
but I believe they upgraded to a long course pool. And I believe
Branson Everglades has a long course pool. I'm not sure about Palmer.
Yeah, I don't either. I know that the Hall of Fame does in Fort Lauderdale,
Coral Springs Aquatic does, Deerfield and Pompano both do.
Back in the day when I used to swim competitive, we had a lot more long course pools,
but those have all gone away now. Tammy Ammi is short course.
Okay. Yes. And again, my concern is we have, we only have one chance to build a pool.
The last one we have 60 some years old. So I want to make sure we're going to do something
that's going to benefit the community. And quite honestly, Ralph, as I'm sitting here
thinking about this, is there a way that we could perhaps leverage something,
working with our partners in the county to see if they would be able to do,
perhaps kick in on this. I don't know. It is kind of far reaching.
We have this ARPA money, roughly about, you know, $10 million that we're not
spending on stormwater projects. And from your perspective, what would you say was the best use?
Would it be, I mean, I guess the 25 yard pools, about 5 million and 50 would be about
7 to 8 million, is that correct? Yeah.
Okay. So it's not quite double, but it is a couple million more.
Right. Okay. I think, Mayor, just, you know, just a little 30 second recap of the ARPA,
you know, we did receive $21 million. We already committed 11 million
improvement projects. We have 10 million for what we call general government use.
Just last council meeting, we authorized $800,000 for sidewalks. So now,
and then we also commissioned this, this study. And we have later on tonight,
we have a couple of ITBs for retrofitting some park, I mean, some park lights,
both Bellaire and Lakes by the Bay Park. And then we also have some other items to do some
resurfacing on our playgrounds that don't have the porn play or the,
yeah, they have the porn play, but we're going to AstroTurf because, you know,
the porn place is kind of falling apart. So we do have still some funds available
in the $10 million, you know, call it general services, you know, allotment in our ARPA.
I think, you know, yes, we will maximize, we're not going to be one of the ones that
return money. That's not going to be our goal, you know. So if anything, yes,
I think it's a good, healthy conversation to have or, you know, you have the
Parks and Rights Committee, we have our staff to look at it, you know, 25 by 25 by the two meters,
a new wrinkle as well or suggestion, you know, a splash pad. I mean, you know,
some ideas of what to do with the other side. We don't know what to do yet if we got to decide,
you know, if it's going to be in the 16 acres, then we could kind of repurpose
that area and that Cutleridge Park, you know, for different things. And we know that we've
had, you know, emails back and forth about having an official pickleball court. Those aren't
cheap. All right. So we have that. So there's some uses that we could use in terms of the $10
million. But I think another important part, Mary's going to be too, is we do a great job
leveraging the ARPA funds, searching for other grant funds. For example, FURDAF, you know,
FURDAF, this is right up FURDAF's alley. It's a recreational community to get people out of
their homes and do something. And that's right up their alley. If you recall, even when we
reconstructed Franjo Park, we received a $250,000 grant for FURDAF. We also received over $500,000
for FURDAF for the Canoe Kayak launch to Lakes by the Bay. So we could certainly, talking to our
grant school, this is certainly eligible for that type of money. So there might be even some more
cost savings that maybe we don't have to draw down as much from the ARPA if we could leverage
that with state money for the pool. So there's different opportunities there as well.
Can I offer this suggestion? The first decision would be if we're going to build the new pool
on the 16 acres. If I could offer this suggestion, once we choose the architectural firm,
let's have them come back with a schematic drawing showing a short course and a long course
pool. What would that design look like? My concern is that the long course would stick out like a sore
thumb, but I could be totally wrong. They could come back and design a long course pool that
looks fantastic, and then that takes all my concern away. Or we could look and say, oh,
that short course is way too small. So I don't know. If we could do that, and then that
gives us the ability to make a final decision after we've looked at both options.
What do you think about the timing of that, Ralph? Because we don't have forever to
commit this money, so let's slow it down too much waiting for architectural drawings.
I think we could always ask the design firms that we're going to go through that process.
You're going to hear that report shortly at six o'clock. We did put in the RFQ and the RFP
that there may be an aquatic facility, so they understand that. We are in the process
of issuing a request for information RFI. We want to hold off on the RFI just to get some clear
direction if it's going to be there or not, because we don't know until we had the sunshine
meeting that is it going to be in the 16 acres or going to be in the current site.
I'm getting the consensus that it's going to be the 16 acres, so we understand that direction.
And I think that we could always have the design firms draw up, hey, this option A or option B,
what will it look like? How much is it going to encompass? But also, it does come with a cost.
As Terry mentioned, our consultant, that it's more equipment, more items as well. But certainly,
we could visit that with the firms, meaning that we have a window. There's a window as soon
as like tomorrow, believe it or not, meaning that we will issue the RFI to the shortlisted
firms. And we could tell them to design A or B. Okay. So, and again, counsel, just to
narrow the scope of this discussion, is there a consensus that we would like to see the pool
on the new 16 acres site?
Is there, okay, that was the main point. And we're still, I guess, waiting on making
a decision on the size determination. I think we haven't quite hit that yet, at least from
my perspective. I really haven't. Let me ask the rest of the council. I mean, if you have
an opinion on one way or the other at this point, Councilman Duncan.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. My only fear of utilizing the larger pool is that it would eat up
too much real estate in the 16 acres.
Same as Vice Mayor Cowan, which is as duly noted. Councilman Lord, do you have an opinion on the
side?
Yes, I can explain.
Well, I think if we can get the biggest one, I think would be better. I mean, if we have
the funding, but it's sufficient with the smaller one. So I'm kind of good either way,
but I would be interested in seeing the renderings.
Councilman Ramirez.
I'd be curious to see what would totally be encompassed in the large pool and also in
the small one. Are we going to have diving platforms or is it just going to be swim
meet type facility? And what is the best benefit for us? Is this going to generate
more community involvement or are we looking at some funding or school activities, something
along that line? I would be interested in knowing the difference between the small and
the larger pool and what maintenance costs would be yearly, approximate maintenance costs.
It could take us over or outside of a budget. So we'd have to start looking at money for
that too. So that's the only thing I'd like to see.
All right. Thank you. And one other consensus. I think we've all agreed that we're
going to replace the pool. Yes. Okay. So that's too important.
I don't know if we've given you enough yet. You need more from us today.
I think we didn't. I think we have enough. I think another point to make, again, our
existing pool, the chiller and the heater are broken. One of the things that I recommend
now that we know that direction, the council wants to provide the town staff of going
to 16 acres. As Vice Mayor mentioned, the advantage of having that on the 16 acres
is that you still have a pool. But we still have a pool that's either too hot or too cold.
It depends on when it is. So in talking to Michelle and E.T. and our consultants, the
pumps that are, correct me if I mispronounce them, the pumps that are there, the refrigerant
pumps and the heater pumps are Sambionts, which is unique, meaning that they have like
a sole source, right? And you'll hear me say that later on. In order to replace those,
it's going to be approximately $57,000 to $60,000. My recommendation would be if we're
making that decision and go ahead to 16 acres, then I would recommend that the school had
to make that investment on the existing pool. The only reason, because you know,
Michelle and E.T. have done a great job, that they contacted the vendor that the
warranties and can be transferred over to the new site, and they would be doing the transfer.
So it's not like, you know, we're going to be spending it, and it's not going to come back.
But at least that would make Michelle's life so much easier, because again,
Michelle, that's why we want her involved in the process. She's on the front line. She hears it
every day. So my recommendation would be, and again, that'll be a future agenda item
that will come back with a sole source letter from the pumps vendor, and I'm glad to hear
that they would honor their warranty, and they could be used at the other location as well.
That makes a lot of sense. And without a doubt, as Councilman, I mean, the Vice
Mayor Callahan said, you can't go two years without a pool. Our community needs one.
So that certainly makes sense to me. And I look forward to seeing that in the future
agenda item for approval. Thank you.
Any other questions or comments on this issue?
Just one more real quick, just to kind of emphasize to Councilmember Romero's comment.
Michelle, how many lifeguards do you have currently at our Color Ridge pool?
We currently have 10.
10.
Well, we're short-staffed, but we've eight.
You're short-staffed.
Yes.
So if we went to a larger pool, that means 20 lifeguards, right?
And we're having trouble staffing today.
It's not that we're having trouble. We just haven't posted that we have positions open.
We have people who just left for school.
You would need twice as many lifeguards or surfacing for just the double service area.
They can't see another 25.
I mean, it would, I would have to, I haven't done the math for that, but
they each can, I think, Terry, you do know the,
I'm trying to think off the top of my head. I don't know if we need double per se,
maybe an additional five or six.
Yeah, I think it's proportional, but I think it's actually double, I think.
Yeah, it depends how much space at the time we're utilizing.
If we have the small section being used and the two big sections,
we would need probably four to five lifeguards on a shift at a time.
But if we only have, it would honestly depend on what activities we're holding at the time.
So a weekend, we wouldn't need maybe as many.
It would have to be something I'd have to sit down and look at and go over the area.
And I certainly understand the vice mayor's point about
maintenance costs, which includes labor costs.
Well, right, right.
And my point also is that, yes, the lifeguard is proportional to, you know, the pool itself.
But, you know, the other point that I just want to make is that it's going to be
increasing staff. It's going to be an increase in lifeguards.
And if on a Saturday, our intention is to open up the entire pool,
then we have three lifeguards calling sick.
All of a sudden, you have to close part of the pool, right?
So there are repercussions.
If we can't staff properly, you know, if you don't have, you know,
the right amount of lifeguards to cover the entire pool.
So the reason I bring that up is I didn't want everybody to be under the misconception
that, hey, we have twice the pool.
We can still do it with 10 lifeguards right now.
We have to increase staff, you know, proportionally.
All right, any other points?
No. Guys, thank you very much for providing that information.
Thank you.
Thank you for coming to us for the last minute.
E.T., thanks for your work with this.
I think folks come and do this for us.
Ralph, anything else?
No, I think, I think Mayor Murr's Council, like you mentioned,
I want to thank the other consultants and also, you know,
E.T. and Michelle, because they're in the front lines.
And this is a great discussion.
You know, we needed to have this.
That's why we want to make this in the workshop atmosphere.
So thank you for all the comments.
And the Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee members as well.
But they spent a lot of time on this, you know,
at least two or three meetings with Terry,
providing the detailed reports.
So, and again, the detailed reports,
the PowerPoint presentation, and the full engineering
report assessment are online,
as well as the folks who view it at home as well.
So thank you, Mayor.
And the one last point that some people have made for,
I just want to bring this up so people know we're listening
about the ability to have larger tournaments,
put Cutler Bay's name on the map.
That's something that's a lot of the,
I guess, the swimming community have put out there.
I just want to let them know that, yeah, we heard you on that.
And it will be part of our considerations.
We muddle our way through this.
So again, guys, thank you very much with that.
This workshop is adjourned.