[0:06] all right I'll call the meeting back to
order
[0:14] EXC sorry about that folks we have a
little technical difficulties
[0:26] there my name is Ree Hamilton I will
chair the hearing
[0:30] all comments shall be directed through
me admin Administration will make the
[0:35] presentation first following by the
opportunity for Council to ask questions
[0:40] of
clarification the applicant will then
[0:43] make a presentation if they choose to do
so followed by the opportunity of
[0:49] council to ask questions of
[0:53] clarification Council will then hear for
those affected in persons in the
[0:58] audience first those who
support of the bylaw and then those of
[1:05] opposition of the
bylaw all presentations must
[1:11] be present
presenters must be registered with the
[1:17] planning department if you have not
already done
[1:21] so if you have if your presentation is
in written document including Maps
[1:28] photos and reports a copy of the those
documents must be left with the
[1:34] administration bylaw
20252 will admin
[1:39] Administration please proceed with the
presentation uh thank you through the
[1:45] chair I'm not sure that we had a motion
to open the public hearing reev Hamilton
[1:49] with our technical difficulties or did
we thank you thank you Michelle
[2:08] good morning and thank you through the
chair bylaw
[2:12] 20252 is submitted by Monroe surveys on
behalf of Tim and Anna shner to rezone a
[2:17] vacant 6.5 acre parcel from agricultural
District 1 to Country residential
[2:23] limited District IDP if the land use
amendment is approved then the
[2:27] applicant's intent is to apply to the
municipal plan commission for approval
[2:31] to subdivide the parcel from the
remainder of the Agricultural title the
[2:35] existing title contains 65.4 6
Acres the land subject of the resoning
[2:41] is contained within the Southwest
quarter of section 22 Township 12 range
[2:46] 6 West of the 4th and is located
approximately 2.2 km North of Highway 3
[2:52] and 280 M west of the jurisdictional
boundary of Cypress County and the City
[2:57] of medison hat the area situated to the
east of Range Road 63 and is capable of
[3:02] gaining direct and immediate access from
this established public
[3:06] road the remainder of the Agricultural
title will continue to utilize an
[3:11] existing private access Drive located
further to the north the
[3:15] reclassification area is vacant while
the remainder of the parcel contains
[3:18] established yard site and Irrigation
District um irrigation
[3:23] Acres the area subject of this
application does not contain irrigable
[3:27] acres and therefore is not anticipated
to be impact
[3:30] Ed the immediately surrounding lands are
designated agricultural land use under
[3:34] the County's land use bylaw and are
several established greenh houses
[3:38] located in the area with the nearest
being approximately 300 M to the north
[3:43] and there is also a nearby country
residential subdivision 1 and A4
[3:47] kilometers to the
[3:49] Southwest the applicant has submitted
the proposed lot layout to accommodate
[3:53] the subdivision density requirements of
the Tri Area intermunicipal development
[3:58] plan the proposal
provides for the least disruption to the
[4:01] irrigated Acres on the parcel the
surveyor has also produced a plan
[4:06] indicating an appropriate Development
Area which accommodates the minimum
[4:09] setbacks of the land use bylaw there are
no oil or gas wells in proximity to the
[4:14] proposed reclassification
area if the application were to be
[4:18] approved the reclassification and
subdivision would be the final title
[4:22] eligible to be subdivided under the
current potential growth area policies
[4:26] of the
IDP the cus scatch Regional plan states
[4:30] that municipalities are to identify
their agricultural lands and to limit
[4:34] fragmentation and conversion to
non-agricultural uses the efficient use
[4:38] of land policy states that the land use
framework promotes approaches to reduce
[4:43] the amount of land taken up by permanent
or long-term development by utilizing
[4:46] the minimum amount of land that is
necessary section 2.6 potential growth
[4:52] area of the Tri Area intermunicipal
development plan states that the county
[4:57] wishes to retain the rural nature of its
rate paays and believes that service
[5:00] residential development outside existing
Hamlet boundaries becomes costly and
[5:05] difficult to administer and
maintain the county has a limited
[5:09] capacity to provide an urban level of
water and sewer services to the area and
[5:13] its other hamlets the IDP recognizes
that it is in the interest of both the
[5:17] city and the county to retain large
parcel sizes for agricultural
[5:22] purposes under the potential growth area
policy section 2.6.2 it directs Council
[5:27] as follows
Agricultural and agricultural support
[5:31] uses within the potential growth area
are preferred uses other than
[5:35] agriculture or agricultural support
should not be allowed unless they're an
[5:39] existing use or the expansion of an
existing use Parcels located within the
[5:44] potential growth area may be considered
by the county for a land use bylaw
[5:47] Amendment and subdivision approval for
limited country
[5:51] residential the cumulative area of the
subdivision shall not exceed 10% of the
[5:55] original parcel to be subdivided as it
existed as prior to the adoption of the
[6:01] sidp and in order to be eligible for
further subdivision a parcel must be at
[6:05] least 40 acres in size and must not be
located on irrigated
[6:11] land section 4.1.2 4 subdivision IDP of
the Count's Municipal development plan
[6:17] states that the county shall follow all
applicable policies within the IDP
[6:21] relating to subdivision of lands within
the
[6:24] boundary at the time of writing this
report no comments were received from
[6:28] the town of redcliffe we did receive
comments from the med city of Medicine
[6:32] Hat uh just recently and they've
provided that they have no objection
[6:36] provided that the current potential
growth area policies are followed and
[6:39] Alberta transportation and economic
corridors is
[6:43] consulted at the time of writing in the
report no comments were received from
[6:47] any adjacent land
owners and due to the applications
[6:52] proximity to the Highway 3 Alberta
transportation and economic corridors is
[6:57] a required referral they replied that
the Department anticipates minimal
[7:01] impact on the highway from The Proposal
there is no proposed access to the
[7:05] highway and there is sufficient local
Road access to the subdivision and the
[7:09] adjacent lands a tech grants approval
for the subdivision authority to vary
[7:13] the requirements of section 18 and 19 of
the subdivision and development
[7:19] regulation Administration recommends
that Council move second and third
[7:22] readings for bylaw
20252 the proposed application for
[7:26] resoning complies with the efficient use
of land principles of the s skatan
[7:30] Regional plan section 2.6 potential
growth area policies of the
[7:35] intermunicipal development plan as well
as section 4.1.2 4 of the municipal
[7:40] development plan that concludes my
presentation thank you
[7:45] Ken are there any questions or
clarifications from Administration from
[7:54] Council
please yeah to the chair I just so that
[7:58] land to the North where like the green
hous is that's all zoned egg right now
[8:04] then through the chair all of the lands
contained to the north and it's shown on
[8:09] the um adjacent land use map everywhere
that you see highlighted and green is
[8:13] agriculturally districted and then
further to the southwest and blue is the
[8:16] country residential
districts Rob thank you through the
[8:22] chair um Ken with the parcel that
they're looking at or uh subdividing out
[8:29] with the setbacks that are required for
development does that give it actually
[8:33] enough space um to do a residential
subdivision with with the amount of it's
[8:40] long and narrow um just wondering if
there's enough room for the the setbacks
[8:45] that we would require for
that that's a great question through the
[8:49] chair we did have the surveyor plot out
um essentially a building envelope that
[8:53] accommodates um 6 M from both the side
and rear property lines as well as the
[8:58] 40 m minimum setback from Range Road 63
there's adequate area um it's actually
[9:05] quite deceiving the the area north south
is 50 m um running north south which
[9:10] would allow about a 30 m uh distance for
actual development to be located in
[9:17] there any other
[9:21] questions not seeing
any does the applicant have any
[9:28] presentation
[9:33] okay does council have any questions for
the
[9:38] applicant not seeing
any I will now call for any particip
[9:44] participants for anyone in the support
of the proposed
[9:52] bylaw I will now call a second time for
participation for any support in the
[9:58] proposed
[10:02] bylaw I will now call a third
time for any participation in the
[10:07] proposed
[10:11] bylaw I will now call for any
presentations for anyone opposed to the
[10:16] proposed
[10:20] bylaw I'll call a second time for any
presentations for anyone opposing
[10:30] third and final time for anyone
proposing the proposed
[10:36] bylaw I now will call for any final
submissions for those who feel they have
[10:41] not had the opportunity to fully
participate in the public
[10:48] hearing the public hearing for bylaw
20252 is now concluded and no further
[10:56] submissions will be accepted
I will call for a motion to close the
[11:02] public
hearing uh
[11:06] Dustin at
[11:11] 10:23
[11:17] vote
[11:20] okay we are on
to 6.1
[11:29] motion for dun more Junction
[11:33] Dustin thank you Reeve um so I I brought
this forward uh just to more or less
[11:39] open discussion back up
um with the just one second here with
[11:44] regarding dun more Junction um I I did
receive quite a few calls on this
[11:49] between the period
of or last meeting December and then
[11:54] actually in the January of people asking
questions and more or less looking
[12:00] to see if there will be land available
to purchase out there and I said well we
[12:03] have to make that decision as Council
and I'll bring it back so that's
[12:06] essentially what this is and it was more
or less to get it rocken so it doesn't
[12:09] fall off the books and we can make a
decision one way or the
[12:15] other Mr members of council is this is a
land issue I would suggest that Council
[12:20] either to discuss strategy with the with
the sale or with the development of that
[12:24] land that Council either move into Clos
session at this point or leave it a Clos
[12:28] session later in the day
are you good to leave it till later okay
[12:33] we'll move this over till later in the
day when we go in close
[12:37] session all right we're on to
[12:45] 7.1.1
[12:54] who's that was I thought yeah no time
for coffee kayen
[13:04] sorry I did think that was going to go
longer in the discussion
[13:08] so through the chair applicant just had
a few questions so um bylaw
[13:14] 20252 um is submitted by Tim and Anna
shner to reone a vacant 6.5 acre parcel
[13:21] the public hearing just occurred and the
recommendation is that Council move
[13:25] second and third readings of the
bylaw thank you
[13:30] you Richard's moving second anybody have
any questions or comments on
[13:38] it
Keith this this won't come anywhere
[13:43] close to the highway 320 or that's not
our concern is
[13:47] it no
because Alberta transportation is
[13:52] already okay it
[13:55] okay any other questions
not seeing
[14:01] any
[14:07] vote that's
carried somebody want to move
[14:12] third Blain's moving
third
[14:23] vote that's
carried okay we're on to 7.1.2
[14:33] thank you through the chair bylaw 20253
is submitted by Linda Weir to reone a56
[14:39] acre parcel from agricultural District 1
to Hamlet Industrial District the
[14:44] property is located along Charles Street
within the Hamlet of Dunmore and the
[14:48] recommendation is for Council to move
first reading of the bylaw with the
[14:51] public hearing to be set for February
19th thank you Ken Robin you're moving
[14:57] that do you you want to comment on it or
okay any
[15:03] comments
[15:09] vote it's
carried
[15:15] 7.1.3 now you can have your coffee
kayen thank you
[15:20] through thank you through the chair um
we have the annual Fire Guard
[15:25] appointments RFD in front of you also
have fire chief Jason here to answer any
[15:30] questions or concerns regarding uh the
appointments um Administration is
[15:35] recommending the appointment of our fire
chief our Deputy fire chief as well as
[15:41] the um direct or the uh Duty Officers uh
to provide fire Guardian services within
[15:48] the county says a requirement of the
forest and protect prair protection act
[15:52] and an annual
Administration uh appointment
[15:59] thank you somebody want to move
that
[16:05] Lloyd
uh Les lean do you want to read off all
[16:10] of the names the council appoints Jason
Linton Matt O'Reilly Keith fiser Brady
[16:17] Panos Les durksen Jim fuss and Justin S
duraf as fire Guardians for a term of
[16:23] one year in accordance with the forest
and Prairie protection
[16:27] act Thank You Les
any questions on
[16:31] it
[16:37] vote that's carried
[16:42] 7.1.4 thank you and through the chair uh
we have in front of you an item for a
[16:46] municipal bylaw officer appointment uh
we have our current uh officer uh
[16:52] retiring this week and in the inter term
we have hired on Jason shriber as our
[16:59] Municipal peace officer uh there are two
appointments required for him to enact
[17:03] full Powers the first is through um our
own bylaw officer
[17:09] bylaw um and while this is going on we
also have the uh provincial appointment
[17:14] that is through the
soulen so Administration is recommending
[17:19] the appointment of Jason triver as the
Cyprus County Municipal bylaw
[17:22] enforcement officer uh to take effect
when he completes the oath of office
[17:30] okay thank you
Dustin moving that any questions on
[17:37] it just a minor one um probably for the
r paers does the cell phone number
[17:42] change then or is it a new a new number
issued there will be a new phone number
[17:48] being issued um so we will have posting
and um some social media that'll go out
[17:54] um when the new peace officer
appointment comes through
[17:59] okay any other
questions
[18:11] vote okay that's
carried all right thank you
[18:17] Joel come on up
[18:24] Ken CH miss this
one favor Public
[18:29] Works uh new private dust
control thank you through the chair we
[18:37] prepared the uh new private DK control
program to move forward through um
[18:43] Administration is seeking council's
Direction on establishing a cost formula
[18:49] to determine the fee for new private
dust control application using calcium
[18:54] or similar dust suppressant
products um through Motion in 2024
[19:01] Council chose to uh transition from oil
to calcium for all new dust patches um
[19:08] starting in January 1st 2025 as part of
this transition Council requested
[19:14] Administration to develop a costing
formula for implementation of this
[19:19] plan little bit of background the use of
calcium and a similar death suppressant
[19:24] products such as
mg30 are used in real municipalities on
[19:29] gravel roads to reduce D or dust
counties and MDS that have historically
[19:35] used oil balc surfacing such as cold mix
have transitioned to the dust
[19:40] suppressant product due to the
increasingly High Cost of installation
[19:44] and overall maintenance costs of the oil
bound
[19:49] surfacing the new dust suppressant
product replacing the oil bound cold mix
[19:55] surfacing will not be subject to the
special tax for dust
[20:00] control as it is a one-time application
upon
[20:04] request application will be applications
will be accepted up until March 1st of
[20:11] each calendar year with a minimum of
three application required for the
[20:15] program to proceed for that
Year Legacy oil dust control patches
[20:21] installed before 2025 will continue to
be maintained by the county until
[20:26] further and Future phase out strategies
are presented to council for
[20:34] approval Administration has reviewed the
costs associated with supplying and
[20:38] applying the new dust suppressant
treatment in addition to consultation
[20:43] with neighboring
municipalities on various cost sharing
[20:48] strategies the approach to follow here
is the applicant would cover 65% of the
[20:54] costs representing the product cost only
the county covers
[21:03] 35% representing the equipment and labor
expenses required to place the
[21:09] product followup actions after this
motion would be updating the 2025 Master
[21:16] rates bylaw and bringing back the dust
control policy with
[21:24] amendments reference to the Strategic
plan that that transition from oil bound
[21:29] surfacing coal mix to calcium along with
establishing a cost share model for all
[21:35] new dust control patches will align with
council's balanced Financial strategy
[21:40] objective of cost share recovery for
services and operational
[21:48] stabilization recommended motion that
Council direct Administration to prepare
[21:54] the master rates bylaw with update rates
established a cost sharing model for new
[21:59] private dust control application wherein
the applicant pays
[22:04] 65% and the county contributes 25 or 35%
of the total
[22:10] cost I prepared a a few other options
for council's consideration the second
[22:17] one would be that Council direct
Administration to prepare the master
[22:21] rates bylaw with update rates establish
a cost sharing model for new private
[22:27] dust control applications
within that the application
[22:31] covers an amount determined by Council
of the total cost and the county
[22:37] contributes a percentage that Council
would
[22:42] decide the third option that Council
direct Administration to prepare the
[22:47] master rates bylaw with updated rates
establishing full cost recovery for new
[22:54] private dust control application wherein
the applicant covers 100% of the cost of
[23:00] installation fourth option that Council
direct Administration to bring back
[23:05] alternative cost sharing models for new
private desk control applications to a
[23:10] future
[23:13] meeting any
questions thank you
[23:18] Dustin can I ask a question or can I
make do I have to make a motion
[23:23] first make a motion okay I'll move
number
[23:27] three um and then my question would also
be on that what is the plan on
[23:33] continuation onr maintenance with them
what would the cost share fund is that
[23:37] going to be the same cost your funding
model or is it going to be different
[23:40] from the
[23:44] original through the chair the the
existing oil that's down as mentioned in
[23:50] here it will continue to maintain it at
the County's costs and in the future
[23:55] we'll look at implementing phase out
strategies as as where if the dust dust
[24:02] um suppressant
product requires full uh
[24:07] Rehabilitation then we can look at in
the future of removing that or cost
[24:12] going to the applicant to re redo it
again so redo it to with a new product
[24:18] so once it gets passed to a certain
point then we would look at you know not
[24:25] providing the oil again so that's not
part of this motion that's what I'm
[24:29] asking though on the on the new product
when it needs to be reapplied what how's
[24:34] what's the CER model there is it they
going to be the same as the original or
[24:38] is it going to be a shared yeah through
the chair it will be the same
[24:42] formula so I guess maybe I'll change my
motion then a little bit so I would like
[24:50] I like the idea of the initial cost
being 100% on the on the rate pair but
[24:56] then a reapplication be a 50
[25:02] split okay as a motion should we look
and see how long that's going to last
[25:07] well if we look at any of our mg roads
it's so far we see that what three to
[25:12] five year mark sort of
thing
[25:16] y through the chair yeah as far as the
dust suppress a product it it ranges it
[25:22] depends on the amount of traffic the
high use roads it could be the next year
[25:27] needs to to be reapplied could be 2
years could be 3 years so it's not
[25:33] guarantee we don't guarantee it for any
length of time it's proven to last a
[25:38] good six months through the dusty season
but we'll continue on if there's limited
[25:44] traffic on the road because essentially
right now we're charging what is an
[25:49] annual maintenance fee on dust control
475 475 yeah through the M through the
[25:55] chair the master rates is 475 for this
year and increases to
[26:01] $25 in
2026 through that was through a council
[26:05] motion so that really doesn't really
cover the cost of Maintenance the
[26:11] maintenance cost on average ranges from
6,000 to 7,000 for rip and replace so
[26:18] that's probably about 15 years you'd
have to pay that off the initial one as
[26:23] we knowe um costs if you want new dust
de batment would be about 25 to
[26:30] 27,000 so it take 50 years for that to
pay so that you know that I think that's
[26:35] why we're here to so with uh with a new
application being 22 or
[26:43] 2,250 with mg what would a reapplication
cost be the
[26:48] same right now it's the same I I suggest
or recommend uh evaluation over the year
[26:54] to see if the product is the samec
application rate so as far as um maybe
[27:01] it's the third time maybe the liters per
square meter can be reduced so there
[27:06] could be some cost saving there um I
think that's probably we'll get some
[27:11] good data on the first year to make that
change so I I guess
[27:18] essentially what my question for Council
would be then I I like the idea of it
[27:22] getting paid for completely upfront but
where is our comfortability on that
[27:28] maintenance aspect is it 100% on the
rate pair every year or is that a split
[27:34] that we
[27:40] do would the through the chair um would
if the county takes over half and half
[27:47] like after for this second re putting it
on is that affordable like can we if if
[27:53] we do that are we going in the hole that
way
[28:00] through the chair uh no um It's very
coste effective to to do that split um
[28:07] we did factor that in our 2025 budget
just for maintenance for uh throughout
[28:12] the year um but as far as um the
maintenance cost or the reapplication
[28:20] the whole process is the same no matter
what same equipment same product maybe
[28:26] the time that the product goes down it's
just the volume of the
[28:34] product Rob and you heads
up yeah thank you Ken through the chair
[28:40] the the annual maintenance fee um it
seems if if the reapplication is say
[28:46] that $1,500 and it could last for three
years it seems like the maintenance fee
[28:51] itself could almost stay the same and
just we change the standard and the
[28:56] product that we use I'm I'm okay I I
suppose with the uh the covering the
[29:02] cost UPF front um but part of me also
wonders if you know if we just set up
[29:07] that annual you sign up for the program
this is what you're going to be paying
[29:12] um you know 600 $500 a year whatever
that looks like um you know it's
[29:18] affordable people can get into it we're
just changing the standard that is
[29:21] something that's easier to maintain and
it's easier to swallow and what we're
[29:25] charging actually covers off what we've
got I'm kind kind kind of curious if
[29:28] there's any interest in
[29:32] that
Richard two questions first one is what
[29:37] kind of
preparation is being done before this is
[29:44] applied thank you through the chair um
the road will be inspected and uh the
[29:50] assessment of the gravel surfacing will
be uh looked at the additional gravel
[29:54] will be placed prior um to a certain
rate and then there will be a mixing
[30:00] process if we're talking about prior to
the product being applied there's a
[30:04] water truck that needs to be there for
that application too and then it gets
[30:09] worked in the top four to six inches and
then packed down
[30:15] okay um what was my other
question I I guess for discussion I have
[30:21] a tough time um having the applicant pay
the total bill when I think about it
[30:30] um uh it
it we're going to do some grading anyway
[30:36] we're going to put some gravel down in
most cases because we're up we keep our
[30:39] roads in great shape so I have more of
the opinion that the
[30:45] applicant pays for the product and we
look after the equipment and the labor
[30:51] expenses that also kind of softens the
blow a bit uh because I look at what
[30:57] we're doing with people that have the
oil portion portions by their Road and
[31:02] um we're we're definitely helping them
out uh the other part is that we
[31:09] encourage any new development to be on a
dry Corner which is always close to a
[31:16] road we we encourage them to be have
easy access onto a road so um we're
[31:22] placing we're we're asking them to place
their houses or
[31:29] buildings in a in an area that
um will get dust it's just part of it
[31:38] and uh not everybody can be back a few
hundred yards from the from the road I
[31:44] know DUS in your your backways but other
people on the dry garders aren't always
[31:50] that lucky so I I just feel that we need
to pick up part of the tab and um the
[31:56] equipment parts um I feel should be
[32:01] ours Destin so I I'm okay with picking
up some of the tab but I I kind of
[32:07] propose it a little bit of a different
way so I I I think what we should be
[32:13] doing is that 2250 up front to get it
initially installed and then after that
[32:18] we do it on a 5050 Coster so we
essentially go off the premises that
[32:22] it's going to last for three years and
uh then so essentially you break that
[32:26] down it's going to be
$750 uh cost per year for that so we
[32:33] split that in half and 375 is what the
rate payer would pay as a maintenance Fe
[32:37] a year after ongoing afterwards and that
would essentially in three years time
[32:42] pay 50% of that
[32:46] reapplication thank you Mr members of
the council just for clarification the
[32:50] byla doesn't speak the 475 a year being
for maintenance it's for the initial
[32:54] placement of the dust control there the
B doesn't use the words maintenance it
[32:58] uses the words placement of dust control
[33:08] product thank you Mr re through the
chair to our our new leader um can you
[33:14] would you are you suggesting then that
it it states that it's for placement of
[33:18] and that maintenance has been simply
implied or assumed because we haven't as
[33:25] maintenance occurs I don't believe that
there has been any kind of new fee or
[33:29] anything like that in my
experience through the chair the uh the
[33:35] byw actually reads uh uh and whereas the
cost or portion of the cost should be
[33:40] collected by way of a special tax that's
as per the MGA and whereas the cost of
[33:44] placing dust treatment on roads adjacent
to parcel of land benefiting there from
[33:48] is included in the annual budget and
estimated be it when the bylaw was
[33:51] passed it at almost
$600,000 so the byla itself reads it
[33:55] it's for placement um and my
interpretation of that would be that the
[33:59] the um with the tax R that's attached to
it that $475 a year is to recover the
[34:04] the cost of the placement of the desk
control and maintenance is a separate
[34:08] issue I'm not suggesting for a moment
that Council couldn't have a maintenance
[34:12] fee or shouldn't have a maintenance fee
but I we're talking about maintenance
[34:15] with the bylaw when in actual fact the
bylaw is about placement not about
[34:22] maintenance so then if we go the way DUS
and say we need to have another bylaw
[34:27] that say says it's a maintenance well
either another bylaw or we need to amend
[34:31] the bylaw CU I think what you're saying
too is that
[34:35] regardless of what we do with the mg30
and the calcium that ambiguity exists
[34:41] still with the existing bylaw that we
have through the chair um yes and no uh
[34:48] for example with the new dust control
product that uh Mr Lucas is talking
[34:52] about is or sorry Mr Jacobs is talking
about um uh I don't know where that came
[34:57] from
um the uh uh that can just be I believe
[35:02] that can just be handled through policy
because you're going to pay upfront to
[35:04] get your dust control you get your mg30
or calcium Chlor whatever it is you're
[35:07] going to pay up front um U part of the
issue with the oil dust control that's
[35:14] expensive is we were essentially um
helping offset that cost over multiple
[35:20] years and if you didn't have it through
bylaw then it would be impossible to put
[35:23] back on somebody's taxes if they refused
to pay uh but on a product just md30 or
[35:28] calcium chloride that you're going to
have them pay up front uh then you could
[35:32] just have an annual maintenance fee
attached through a policy so it would
[35:36] the bot itself would not need to change
in that regard now if you want to call
[35:40] maintenance uh or placement I I'll leave
that to council to determine if you're
[35:45] happy with what's currently there uh but
on the new product I think that's easily
[35:49] handled just through policy I had a a a
quick whisper with the um with Mr Daves
[35:54] and he agrees that that could be just
through through the policy
[36:00] yeah we don't want to touch that 475
because that's actually piding for that
[36:05] $30,000 placement that we put in UNC for
all those years we need that to stay
[36:12] there I I think that um when I brought
that up and and perhaps with Dustin as
[36:17] well we keep on bringing in how it's
been but that's not what we're talking
[36:21] about currently we're definitely talking
about the new product that we have
[36:25] moving forward and and the reason why
kind of brought it up is it makes it
[36:29] does make it more affordable than having
a $3,000 bill for somebody who wants to
[36:34] put the material in I suppose we can
kind of gauge that with our residents to
[36:37] see whether that's something that is
going to be um palatable or or not it's
[36:42] certainly a big change going from 475 a
year for strip to you know yes it's a
[36:47] one-time fee up front but for some that
that might be a tougher pill uh to
[36:52] swallow um but that's that's why I kind
of brought it up as a gives them a
[36:56] little bit of a the ility to eat it in
chunks but I also understand what we're
[37:01] talking about with The Upfront
part Mr Jacobs through the chair um as
[37:08] far as maintenance maintenance is pretty
much limited to smoothing out it's it
[37:13] takes less grading because it's holding
the material in a little bit better it's
[37:18] stabilizing it um so as far as the
maintenance cost would be tricky to kind
[37:23] of gauge a value there um with that
product also there is a bit of a cost sa
[37:29] saving too with it locks in the gravel a
bit more so um 40% more that's on the
[37:36] ter so for gravel loss so as far as
maintenance I mean greater go by that
[37:41] road anyways so there there really
wouldn't be an ongoing maintenance
[37:47] application I still see the maintenance
portion as like if you take a 10e you're
[37:52] not on sorry if you take a 10year cycle
you might reapply two or three times you
[37:56] amiz that divided by 10 gives you an
annual cost to to keep that you know
[38:01] applied in decent shape something like
that that's where my mindset was at with
[38:05] it I I I agree with you it's not like
it's we're sending a truck out
[38:09] specifically to grade it because we are
going over
[38:12] it yep in yeah initially it's um set up
as a one-time application and then when
[38:20] the product when it gets a little more
Dusty after a year or two then they
[38:24] would reapply that's typically with the
other municip ality is how it
[38:30] stands uh bla yeah to the chair so just
to back this up and so I can understand
[38:37] it better what we're talking about right
now is the application here whether it's
[38:41] 65 75 100 whatever but the 470 wouldn't
the 475 maintenance fee still be
[38:49] applied to the tax roll yearly or is
this going to be a separate thing or
[38:54] that's the oil less
thank you through the
[38:59] chair I think in my opinion what how
Council maybe needs to look at this is
[39:03] that it's two separate items so you have
your legacy dust control which is your
[39:08] oil service and now council's directed
Administration to come back with um
[39:14] we're going to use this new product
right we're transitioning away from the
[39:18] the oil dust control so I think you have
to kind of look at them as as two
[39:22] separate products right does
Administration need to bring back a
[39:26] recommendation to council how we're
going to phase out those dust control
[39:29] strips um in the future but but we have
to kind of look at it as two separate uh
[39:36] programs yeah that's what I kind of said
there because that that oiled one was a
[39:42] $30,000 cost to put that in and that 475
is to recuperate that original that
[39:48] isn't even a maintenance fee in there
that's just to recuperate the first
[39:51] laying of
it so we got to keep that out of our
[39:55] minds and then we got to think about
this proposal in front of
[39:58] us which I have on the floor still at
100% or what 100% just for this but
[40:05] we're not discussing maintenance fee on
this this is just the
[40:09] application
so we're voting on The applic or on this
[40:15] right now should we bring this back in a
year or two and see how it's holding up
[40:20] and then we can look at we can't predict
maybe this stuff's going to last five
[40:25] years and we or a year from
now Robin thank you um councelor vosler
[40:32] could I could I potentially um sell you
on a friendly amendment to doing the the
[40:39] the cost share and here's why I'm kind
of hung up on it I just mentioned to
[40:42] councelor Ritz the the fact that it's
based on traffic and all that different
[40:48] stuff as well and there is that you know
40% savings and and gravel loss and
[40:53] things like that there are some benefits
to the county and I see if we're if
[40:58] we're charging The Upfront to the
resident but you have a busy road where
[41:03] other people are utilizing that busy
road they're wearing that road out
[41:07] quicker I I see I see there being some
value to the county contributing a bit
[41:12] on the up front part on that as well um
you know yes they still choose to live
[41:16] on a busy road but if they're paying
Upfront for the material they may be
[41:20] doing it quite a lot more frequently and
if there is an upside to us and it
[41:24] simplifies our process I would would you
accept it as a as a friendly amendment
[41:29] to your 100% there a middle ground
there the the reason I went the 100%
[41:38] rout is because I feel that it's one of
those things if you everyone's got to
[41:43] pay their little bit of a piece of a pie
to get something you know we we've been
[41:47] giving a lot away for a lot of years and
it's it's time to stop it it really is
[41:53] so you know I don't look at 2200 $50
being an unreasonable ask to take and
[42:01] get dust control put in front of your
property and then that's where I had
[42:05] that conversation about the maintenance
being shared after the fact and that way
[42:10] it just essentially a flat maintenance
fee right whether that's 375 475 575 a
[42:16] year and that's just what you pay from
there on out I I feel it's a it's a
[42:21] fairer approach that way to having that
product being done at some sort of a a
[42:29] discounted cost in front of your
property because not everybody gets it
[42:33] and not everybody's going to pay for it
you know it with the existing dust
[42:36] control it's a everybody who had that
had a really good deal for a lot of
[42:40] years that was a really really really
good deal but we're done with it we we
[42:44] can't afford to play that game anymore
so I think going forward we should
[42:50] probably just hit the nail on the head
right off the start and say you know
[42:53] this is what the initial cost is and
this and this is the maintenance every
[42:56] year going forward and uh and be done
with it and that and you know it gives
[43:03] us pretty much uh it gives us a full
cost recovery off the start and then 50%
[43:09] is going forward and you know some are
going to last longer than others and you
[43:14] know hopefully they all offset each
other that that's that's the way I'm
[43:18] looking at it okay so there's no
friendly there your motion right now is
[43:23] 100% up front and
50% or do you want want to hold off and
[43:28] review it for one year and I I I
honestly think we we could take and put
[43:33] the 50% in off the start and we and
let's just make it that we review it in
[43:37] the year okay because then then there's
at least something on paper and if it's
[43:42] none of us sitting at this table in a
year's time at least they know what we
[43:45] were thinking okay so before I let you
go I just want to make sure we have the
[43:50] motion right on what Dustin saying so
you're saying
[43:55] 100% up front
pay him for it and
[44:01] 50% so so just we'll put a dollar figure
on instead of 50% just put a dollar
[44:06] figure of uh 375 and that'll work out to
50% over a threeyear time period if it
[44:11] lasts three years yeah
okay and to be reviewed in one year to
[44:16] see how it's Lo holding up just and
it'll give us then we have a metric to
[44:19] work on in the following
year yep
[44:27] okay someone will be here to
remember okay so that's the motion Les
[44:33] are you clear on that no I'm not I'm not
clear so is the 50%
[44:38] for um for maintenance or I I'm unclear
okay hold on whe whether the word is
[44:45] maintenance whether the word is
continuing care I don't really care what
[44:49] it is it's whatever works out the best
in your guys's
[44:52] wording m m Mr reev I would suggest two
motions uh one uh one one would be uh
[44:57] the recommended action of number three
as per councilor vosler and then a
[45:01] separate motion discussing the uh the
maintenance the maintenance recovery
[45:07] over whether the three-year period I was
just I I think that's part of the
[45:10] confusion right now is I think two
motions that'll keep it cleanest okay
[45:14] okay so the motion I have under the
floor right now is for 100% cost
[45:18] recovery off to start okay everybody's
clear on that
[45:24] yeah okay you have a question on it yeah
what what I'm concerned about though is
[45:29] that if they're they need to be tied
together somehow um because otherwise
[45:33] we're saying it's going to be 2250 for a
strip and if it's going to wear out in a
[45:38] year a year and a half we may have
people that are paying $1,500 a year
[45:42] $2,000 a year on a busy
road for potentially no we won't because
[45:48] well we assuming that hold on it's the
initial costing yeah so the initial cost
[45:53] is $2,250 I agree but you're assuming
that the next motion's going to pass
[45:57] well if it doesn't if it doesn't pass
then I guess they pay that every year
[46:01] that's still pass them both and then
it'll be fine yeah okay so the motion I
[46:06] have on the floor right now is for 100%
cost recovery there no maintenance in it
[46:11] that's what the motion is everybody's
clear on
[46:15] that does anybody want to talk on that
[46:20] motion Keith so I'm just going to get
back to what Richard was saying
[46:27] if we put this product
down will there
[46:33] be any cost savings to the county
because we have put a doubt because if
[46:40] we're expecting the landowner to pay for
it all that we're making the
[46:44] savings that tend to kind of waffle a
little bit on that then but I don't know
[46:51] what that savings would
be maybe you could help me out on that
[46:56] what that savings would be if in that
first
[47:01] year through the chair um if we're
looking at probably 40% gravel reduction
[47:07] uh
loss
[47:10] um and probably 50% of the grading
required on that on the
[47:16] surface um
probably $50 to
[47:22] $100 yeah that's so not it's it's fairly
negligible for the short short patch so
[47:29] would be pretty minimal then yeah okay
[47:37] no no you you can speak Michelle you had
something I I am a little confused about
[47:44] this is so if we make it so that the
rate pairs pay the 100% is the special
[47:51] tax still on there that they're still
paying $475 a year no that's that's
[47:58] nothing to do with this one two
completely different
[48:06] things any other questions or comments
yes one more comment I I will be voting
[48:13] no against 100% And it's because I don't
feel that we're being fair to the rate
[48:18] pairs uh council could pass uh another
Greenhouse development uh it could be uh
[48:26] there could be another hutterite Colony
going in there uh my neighbor could now
[48:31] go from dry land to irrigation and all
of a sudden the yield is gone up 1,000%
[48:38] which increases all the traffic or or
the amount of traffic going by me big
[48:42] time so um you're penalizing the r PA
with the with the full cost because the
[48:50] traffic is increased I I feel that um we
need to be fair with the rate pairer and
[48:59] yeah you want you want some product
we'll put it down but we will look after
[49:04] the rest of it
[49:08] so okay so the comment on that one
Richard is this is just for the laying
[49:14] of the initial cost of it if we get to
the next step where we're sharing a
[49:19] portion okay then what you're saying is
covered in that
[49:24] so it's you got to think of it two
different motions there yeah and my
[49:29] first yeah but my my thoughts are the
way it was first presented at
[49:35] 6535 is what
I like BL yeah that's I just wanted to
[49:42] clarify that too because my concern is
the 100% you know 2250 if it has to get
[49:49] maintained and to redone again in a year
or even if it's two years then the ray
[49:54] is going to be on the hook for half of
it according to
[49:57] the rest of D in motion am I
right so he's going to be paying
[50:02] $3,000 in two years
then essentially what I'm proposing here
[50:09] and this first motion has to go at 100%
to do that because I want them to pay a
[50:13] 100% to the initial UPF front the second
motion I want to do is I want to do a
[50:18] 50% on a three-year replacement so it's
$375 per year is what that would work
[50:25] out to where do you you come up at $375
so if you take $2,250 you divide it by
[50:31] three years that's $750 divide it by two
that's $375 what what if it gets needs
[50:35] to be redone the next year we're
averaging it out on a three-year term
[50:38] and that's where it's I we put it Market
as that and then we revisit it in that
[50:42] year's time if they're holding up we
leave it alone if we don't if it's not
[50:46] we revisit it Mr Jacobs yeah I struggle
with the um the threeyear or specifying
[50:54] a period of time on the product not
knowing the um how effective it
[51:01] is
um initially um having it as a one-time
[51:08] application at 100% okay and if it lasts
one or two years I need to reapply it
[51:16] perhaps a like a for the second
application third or any down the road
[51:21] it's a cost share in that strategy like
a 50/50 or because it likely will lose
[51:28] or use less but that but the problem
with doing it that way is is on the busy
[51:34] roads it's going to cost that person a
lot more and on the on the non- busy
[51:38] roads it's going to cost that person a
whole lot less doing it this way takes
[51:42] and shares those two together so
everybody pays kind of an equal portion
[51:45] of it that's what I'm getting at it's
essentially the same kind of thing as
[51:49] what dust control is how we have that
yearly fee that 475
[51:57] okay we got uh I'm not going to call a
question yet we're discussing so I'm
[52:03] going to table this because we have
delegations here and we'll get back to
[52:07] this after the
delegations that way Mr Hawk will get a
[52:11] chance to see what we're talking about
because he just came in from his
[52:15] doctor's appointment so table it we'll
take a fem minute
[52:21] break I apologize I was talking out loud
so that's okay M Mr ree could we
[52:26] actually have have somebody make the
tabling
[52:28] motion yeah yeah Richards thank you
making that
[52:33] motion
[52:37] vote you guys vote over there I don't
know if anybody heard yeah I seen
[52:42] Robin's vote was yes it's carried sorry
about that okay let's take five minutes
[53:15] sorry all right guys we'll get everybody
back in their positions
[53:28] Ken can you grab that door thank
[53:34] you all right call the meeting back to
order we have our a few minutes late
[53:41] here but our 11 o' delegation is
here I'll give the floor to you all
[53:47] right thank you very much uh reev and
Council for allowing us to come back and
[53:52] visit you again regarding the Southern
Regional storm water drainage committee
[53:56] um I am Merl Harris a counselor with the
municipal District of
[53:59] Taber I'm Gary
France just a local farmer west of
[54:06] here there you go uh Gary France a local
farmer just west of here uh I was past
[54:13] chair of St Mary's River Irrigation
District and uh um co-chair of of the
[54:18] committee here arlis Croft CAO with the
municipal District of
[54:24] tabber okay well as I said we'd like
we're grateful for the opportunity to be
[54:29] back to visit with you and to um bring
you up to speed as to what's been
[54:32] happening with the drainage
committee this committee was sort of
[54:36] loosely formed uh back in about 2013
after numerous uh uh severe flooding
[54:42] events that occurred in 2010 2011 2013
14 and 18 18 and these some of these
[54:49] storms uh have created a lot of
significant damage to crop land
[54:52] infrastructure and personal
residences the Regional drainage
[54:57] committee was formed to study the area
and if you can move to the map I think
[55:01] it's one more down uh to study the area
and develop solutions to the ever
[55:06] increasing storm water no not that map
um the one that's uh just custom that
[55:13] one right there so this is the area that
was studied the uh the provincial
[55:17] government gave us a grant to to do a
regional uh drainage study so as you'll
[55:23] see on the map there it starts all the
way down south of um McGrath uh Alberta
[55:30] extends up through the uh east side of
Lethbridge and all the all the region
[55:35] from basically East albri to the city of
Madison hat this area was studied and
[55:41] numerous projects were identified that
would help uh alleviate drainage uh
[55:46] issues throughout the
region um prior to the formation of this
[55:53] uh uh committee and prior to to the
beginning of the horsefly Spillway
[55:58] project there was only one place along
that whole um smri main Canal that water
[56:03] could be taken out of the out of the
canal and dumped back into the river
[56:07] system so that more more drainage water
could be added into the into the
[56:11] irrigation
infrastructure and um during some after
[56:16] some of these major storm events uh like
you know
[56:20] the farmers and land owners want to get
their the water off their land as
[56:24] quickly as they could and smri 's main
Canal was the vehicle that everybody
[56:30] wanted to use to uh get this water off
of their land and so we've been working
[56:35] with smri uh from the beginning to work
with them to use their infrastructure to
[56:41] to find ways of getting uh drainage
water off the land and back into the
[56:45] river
system so there were seven projects
[56:50] identified in this
study um back in 2014 and roughly 668
[56:56] Million worth of projects and upgrades
to the smri main Canal system to to
[57:01] alleviate drainage or to help uh get the
drainage issue the the flooding issues
[57:06] off of the land and into the into the
horse into the um smri main canal and
[57:11] the first of those projects was the
horsefly Regional Emergency
[57:15] Spillway the second is the Sherburn
Spillway in Reservoir expansion and
[57:19] Sherburn is uh if you don't know is
south of The Grassy Lake
[57:23] area and then the third project was MRI
main Canal drain Inlet pump stations and
[57:29] you see the little circles with P along
the the canal that's what those projects
[57:32] are and it's basically if you want to
call it hotspots that simply setting up
[57:38] a pump and uh you could by setting up a
pump there you can get the water off the
[57:42] land and into the smri main
Canal four is uh chin Reservoir
[57:47] expansion and you chin is a big lake
south of tabber south of Barnwell area
[57:53] it's big lake uh reservoir on the SMR
uh system the solder Reservoir Spillway
[58:01] which is just west of medison hat here
Murray Reservoir expansion which is I'm
[58:07] sure you're all aware of that one which
is south and west of medicon hat and
[58:11] then the Paradise Creek dry Dam and uh
those are the the projects were
[58:16] identified in this uh study that was
done that would help uh with mitigating
[58:21] the flooding effects that happen and
there's been uh flooding um
[58:27] in this region there's been flooding in
the leftridge region we've in the MD of
[58:31] tab have had certain events that have
caused a lot of Overland flooding and
[58:35] and these projects were all identified
to help throughout the whole region deal
[58:40] with uh flooding
[58:45] issues so if you go to the next one
economic
[58:49] factors irrigation is the largest
industry in southern Al Southern Alberta
[58:53] and several Industries either directly
or indirectly benefit from the success
[58:57] of irrigation the smri main Canal uh
serves about a half a million Acres of
[59:03] irrigated Farmland in Southern Alberta
and the water as you probably are aware
[59:07] is uh comes up out of the states and uh
is um held in numerous reservoirs
[59:15] between here and between the headwaters
and down here in medison hat
[59:20] area the irrigation enables Farmland to
produce high value specially crops that
[59:25] support the food processing and
livestock industry in Alberta without uh
[59:30] irrigation water Southern Alberta is
pretty dry and Dryland crops would be
[59:34] the only uh crops that you'd be able to
grow here grains and oil seeds and those
[59:38] sort of things the fact that we're able
to have irrigation has developed both
[59:43] the livestock industry and special crops
Industries in in our area um sugar beets
[59:49] being one of the first that were brought
into the area and that as a as a result
[59:54] of uh water being available for for Crop
Production since then uh lots of other
[1:00:01] specialy crops hybrid canola potatoes uh
onions you you can go on and name it and
[1:00:07] there's lots of crops that are grown in
this area and in the region because of
[1:00:12] irrigation the AGA food processing
centers rely on crops grown between the
[1:00:17] Lethbridge and Medicine Hat Corridor so
all these companies whether it's
[1:00:20] Atlantic sugar um Cavendish farms for
potatoes B BAS and numerous uh hybrid
[1:00:27] canola companies they all came to the
Southern Alberta as a result of water
[1:00:32] and the security of water knowing that
year after year their producers would
[1:00:37] have enough water to be able to grow the
crops that they could produce the
[1:00:41] produce the or process the crops that
they they process if we didn't have that
[1:00:46] water and the security of the water it
would be a different landscape here in
[1:00:51] Southern Alberta for
sure some of the notable ones that we've
[1:00:56] I've just mentioned McCain's Foods
Cavendish Farm lamb Weston they all
[1:01:00] process potatoes host is frolle uh again
potatoes and corn products Roger sugar
[1:01:07] Cana Foods bondwell it's not bondwell
any longer it's called norter but frozen
[1:01:12] vegetables Maple Lea Maple Leaf Foods
hog hog processing and sunrise poultry
[1:01:17] chicken processing and then Beef
Processing and uh on top of the Beef
[1:01:22] Processing is the the feed Lots again
require water water for their animals
[1:01:28] and water for the crops that they grow
to to feed to their
[1:01:33] animals so the risk is if a major storm
event uh happened and we didn't have
[1:01:40] ways of dealing with all the the the
flood waters could result in the the
[1:01:45] loss or the breaking of the smri main
Canal which which cut off the
[1:01:49] availability of water both to irrigate
land and to process the the crops that
[1:01:55] are grown on the irrigated
land failure of the canal would impact
[1:01:59] Farmers food processors and several
industries that are secondary or
[1:02:02] tertiary or farming and food processing
in the lathbridge of medicon hat
[1:02:06] Corridor failure of the canal would
create losses to the Alberta economy in
[1:02:11] 2021 Lethbridge County itself estimated
the agriculture sector within the region
[1:02:16] contributed $3.7 billion to the economy
and that's and that's huge for Southern
[1:02:21] Alberta it's a lot of uh Pro a lot of uh
Agriculture and
[1:02:27] processing um cont contributions to the
economy our region wouldn't be what it
[1:02:33] what it is today without agricultural
without the agricultur industry and the
[1:02:38] availability of water to grow these
specialty
[1:02:41] crops failure of the canal also
increases a risk of losing poble water
[1:02:45] to many of the areas in the region most
of the communities between Lethbridge
[1:02:49] and down here in Medicine Hat rely on uh
that smri as their Canal as their source
[1:02:55] of raw water for their pable for their
water treatment
[1:03:05] plants so the status of the projects um
the reservoir solder Reservoir Spillway
[1:03:11] uh SMR took that one on by itself they
upgraded and Gary can probably tell you
[1:03:16] better than I did what exactly they did
but they upgraded or replaced the
[1:03:19] spillway uh that would drain water out
of the canal and put it puts it back
[1:03:24] into the sou Saskatchewan River
chin Reservoir expansion smri is also
[1:03:29] taking that project on as a part of the
irrigation Expansion Project that the
[1:03:34] government of Alberta is
encouraging uh this is a huge project uh
[1:03:39] they'll be adding about five miles to
the length of the uh uh Reservoir as
[1:03:44] well as raising the level of the
reservoir and I'm not sure how many acre
[1:03:47] feet that actually works out to but
um the smri has taken that uh project on
[1:03:55] all so and they're doing again through
government funding and different sources
[1:04:00] they're able to get that project
done in December of 2022 the first the
[1:04:07] phase one of the horsefly Regional
Emergency
[1:04:10] Spillway was started and that project
comes out of Taber Lake and dumps uh
[1:04:16] water in an emergency back down into the
Old Man River phase two of that project
[1:04:22] transfers water between uh the horsefly
res resir which is south of tabber and
[1:04:27] Taber Lake which is right at tabber and
phase three of the project which got
[1:04:31] underway this past
fall can take about half of the water
[1:04:35] out of the smri smri main canal and
divert it through horsefly Lake through
[1:04:41] Taber Lake and dumps the water can dump
the water back into the Old Man River
[1:04:45] and what that does for everybody
Downstream of uh this turnout at
[1:04:51] horsefly the the canal is then about if
it was running right full it would take
[1:04:57] half the water out of the main out of
the canal and that leaves half the water
[1:05:01] half the Canal's availability to pick up
drainage water further east of of that
[1:05:05] turnout which is about five six miles
south of tabber so anywhere anybody east
[1:05:12] of that turnout then has the canal can
has more capacity to be able to take
[1:05:16] drainage water off of the land and um
put it into the canal for conveyance
[1:05:21] further down the project um and into
some of these other reservoirs right and
[1:05:27] this would have been very helpful in the
floods of uh 2018 when we had um we had
[1:05:33] hired 40 some excavators and we're
trying to bail out the snow in the
[1:05:38] canals um uh from 40 Mile Dam down to
solder uh to get to our our our um
[1:05:47] solder Dam um solder Spillway that would
have been able to take the water to the
[1:05:53] river um we were were very close we we
did have some breaches um of that Canal
[1:05:59] that time but had that Canal washed out
um in that stretch between Tab and and
[1:06:05] 40 mile that means everything down from
that would have been could have gone
[1:06:11] through the summer um without the water
needed to start crops until we got that
[1:06:16] repaired and up and running so a lot of
times when when those type of events
[1:06:21] happen it's not just below that event
but also up up from it so we wouldn't
[1:06:27] have been able to operate probably from
um chin Dam down because there you
[1:06:33] couldn't regulate that flow in that
Canal so that's the kind of event that
[1:06:38] that this is going to help uh prevent
and uh protect our infrastructure um so
[1:06:44] that we have that water security we
[1:06:48] need okay so the next one on the uh
project on the list is Sherburn Sherburn
[1:06:53] Spillway and Reservoir expansion again
expanding the Sherburn Reservoir which
[1:06:58] is south of gry lake so that it could
hold more water in the event of a of a
[1:07:02] flood more water could be diverted in
there uh we've talked about the main
[1:07:07] Canal drain Inlet pumping stations those
are the little peas um circled peas
[1:07:12] along the along the uh main Canal Murray
Reservoir and expansion the same idea
[1:07:17] Murray Reservoir would be expanded with
so that there would be room in the case
[1:07:22] of spring flood events or or summer
flooding uh events that more water could
[1:07:26] be stored in Murray
Reservoir get the get the water off the
[1:07:30] land and into these reservoirs Paradise
Creek dry dam is a proposed project that
[1:07:35] is in the and I'm going to have to let
maybe let Gary explain exactly where it
[1:07:39] is but it's at in in the Cypress Hills
areas
[1:07:45] picture and uh so that the Paradise
Creek dry Dam would be the last Pro not
[1:07:50] necessarily the last project in order of
getting them done it's just the way
[1:07:53] they're on on the paper
the horsefly Regional uh emergency
[1:07:58] Spillway uh was chosen as the first
project of the seven projects outlined
[1:08:05] because they the technical committee
which is uh
[1:08:09] um members of Staff of uh all all the
partners that are involved in the
[1:08:14] project they're the ones that thought
that that project would give the most
[1:08:18] benefit to the whole region versus any
of the others and I'm not sure where
[1:08:22] we're going to go next as far as the
next project but uh horsefly was picked
[1:08:26] first because it was it provided the
biggest bang for the buck over the whole
[1:08:31] region the next slide is uh a list of
the partners that that are in part of
[1:08:37] this project and have been since this
started I think back in about 2013 we've
[1:08:42] had these Representatives around the
table from all of these uh Partners St
[1:08:47] Mary River Irrigation District the town
of tabber the MD at Taber the town of
[1:08:50] Cale Lethbridge County county of 40 m
Cypress County and the City of medicon
[1:08:55] hat
and it's it really shows uh a a lot of
[1:09:01] cooperation Regional cooperation from
all of our partners to get as far as
[1:09:05] we've gotten this far and we're hoping
that uh with through a governance
[1:09:11] structure that Gary is going to speak to
in a few minutes we hope to keep this
[1:09:16] group together because we believe that
uh collaborative and Regional
[1:09:20] Partnerships and projects like this will
rece more are more likely to receive
[1:09:24] provincial in federal government uh
funding going into the future and we
[1:09:28] have received a lot of funding from
provincial government as well as the
[1:09:32] federal government through different
programs uh isip um DF disaster
[1:09:38] mitigation adaptation funding and
Industry investing in Canada
[1:09:41] infrastructure program as well as
acrp and what's the other provincial one
[1:09:48] arless that we've gotten money through
it just referen as a an EPA mitigation
[1:09:53] flooding mitigation Grant it was kind of
a onetime contribution but we believe
[1:09:57] that working together
regionally uh we're more likely to get F
[1:10:02] funding for projects like this than if
each municipality was working on its
[1:10:07] own so what are our next steps uh we've
been working on the formal development
[1:10:13] of a government ENT entity to advocate
for and support implementation of the
[1:10:17] remaining projects the regional drainage
committee is seeking long-term
[1:10:21] commitment and participation in this
Regional initiative and we uh uh we
[1:10:26] believe that there is many benefits to
be had for uh this County Cypress County
[1:10:31] by being part of this and we're going to
let Gary talk now on the government
[1:10:38] structure right while they transition
with respect to those next steps that um
[1:10:43] councelor Harris just mentioned um quite
candidly the council that's before us
[1:10:49] today is the reason why we're pursuing
those next steps um with respect to
[1:10:53] establishing and governing some sort of
governing entity that ensures
[1:10:57] participation from all part all Partners
so just I think that's notable in terms
[1:11:01] of the the audience that we're in front
of
[1:11:09] today okay Gary will repeat what I said
yeah he took my thunder anyway so I'm
[1:11:14] going to I muted his button while he was
talking um actually let's start with
[1:11:20] that picture um that you had up earlier
the the
[1:11:23] the the one from from um this book here
the um seaw wall book that was did a
[1:11:30] report on water basins in around our
County around our area here in medicon
[1:11:36] hat so they're located right here in
medicon hat and they they did this
[1:11:39] report back in
2011 this picture here if you take a
[1:11:43] look at it um kind of shows the the
significance of of of what we're trying
[1:11:49] to do to this area this here is the
Watershed of the seven person Creek and
[1:11:56] if you um just take your cursor straight
up you'll see on the by the number three
[1:12:00] highway there bring your uh little yeah
there's bu Island right there and then
[1:12:07] um if you bring that um further west and
you come down um you'll see the road um
[1:12:14] the highway there the
8 um
[1:12:20] 885 uh or 879 I guess that's the one
that goes out to form most so that kind
[1:12:27] of gives you an idea how far you are and
just the bottom edge of that you'll see
[1:12:31] Highway 69 61 on the bottom so that's
that's mini berries there so that just
[1:12:36] gives you an idea on how big this
watered is coming through um two s
[1:12:41] persons Creek um there's Murray Lake
there so all that water um when it melts
[1:12:47] comes around that direction and um it
just kind of gives you an idea on how
[1:12:51] things um how big that area is that
we're talking how much is um impacted by
[1:12:57] um what we're trying to do
here
[1:13:02] um just for reference up by the just up
there's that three just above on that
[1:13:08] little creek there right about there or
just a little bit hair P back is um the
[1:13:14] Seven Persons Dam um when we had the
flooding back in
[1:13:19] 20111 in uh Cypress
County um we uh the Cypress County
[1:13:25] County declared a state of an emergency
um that Creek there was flooding and uh
[1:13:30] 41 uh properties were uh given
evacuation orders that little Dam there
[1:13:37] did breach um seven person's uh Dam
Silver Lake is also another name for it
[1:13:44] um that used to be part of our works uh
at SM and when I say hour I'm going to
[1:13:49] be talking on behalf of SM because it's
an old habit I have um being from there
[1:13:55] but um we don't use that anymore but
that that um that did breach and and
[1:14:01] there was some flooding coming down that
Creek um the other thing that's along
[1:14:05] that s person Creek was the um we have
um three golf courses further in um
[1:14:14] we've got the um Desert Bloom we got
Cottonwood and we've got the par 3 and
[1:14:20] um during this flooding event um they
all suffered damage to that
[1:14:26] um if you just come up by Murray Lake um
wording there and and just yeah just
[1:14:32] right a little bit further over you'll
see there's a there that's the um
[1:14:37] that's the the paradise um Creek so
that's about where that dry Dam would be
[1:14:44] situated when we had that flooding in
2011 um we had flows not only coming
[1:14:51] into 7 persons uh uh into Murray Lake
and eventually some bur's Creek from the
[1:14:58] Pagan from the below but we also had a
big tertial uh flood come through the
[1:15:05] the paradise there and that joins um
seven person Creek right about um where
[1:15:11] the old hay plant is um if you kind of
know that area so those are the two
[1:15:17] areas we're talking about in your region
right now um also just as reference the
[1:15:25] the solder uh Dam Spillway that we did
that was um we we've got that one
[1:15:31] completed and that was um right on the
edge of your county um but what it did
[1:15:36] is it it safety safety that spill water
coming from that direction um entering
[1:15:43] into the county so it it alleviates that
water and and let's lets it go down to
[1:15:49] the river so that it um doesn't come
into to the county and do extra D damage
[1:15:55] that
[1:15:57] way excuse me um the other thing to that
just for um information wise um 2010 the
[1:16:07] year previous to that um medicine at did
have another flood come around on the um
[1:16:14] out of the Cypress Hills and it came
around um from the U other side yep um
[1:16:21] that's the Ross Creek Side and um there
was uh uh a reported $54 million Damage
[1:16:28] Done in Medicine Hat when that uh flood
came through so two major events in that
[1:16:35] Watershed within 2 years so um you know
this isn't a one in 100 flood anymore
[1:16:42] you know when you see stuff like that um
it it can happen
[1:16:46] anytime um 2018 was another flood and we
that um we worked on that main Canal
[1:16:54] between
uh 40 mile in and solder to get that
[1:16:58] water opened up too so
um um the other the other one that comes
[1:17:04] to mind in 2010 we also had a flood in
up in uh Lethbridge where um we suffered
[1:17:10] $3 million damage to the uh
infrastructure of St Mary's and we were
[1:17:15] able to the the county did have a state
of emergency and we were able to get um
[1:17:21] disaster funding to help fix up the
canal after that event so these uh I
[1:17:28] guess my message is that these can um
events can happen anywhere they can be
[1:17:33] significant and they can
be you know they can come fast and and
[1:17:38] and more often than you think so that's
just a a bit of a background to see you
[1:17:43] know what what we're talking about here
and what we're trying to
[1:17:47] achieve so then I'll um I'll switch over
to the presentation that uh I'd want to
[1:17:52] talk about so Merl talked mostly about
what we've done in the past and I'm
[1:17:58] going to I'm here today to kind of talk
about what we're doing now and and what
[1:18:03] we're
um and what we're going to
[1:18:08] uh what we've built and what we're going
to achieve here in the next year so
[1:18:16] um so we we we got a a vision here a
govern governing
[1:18:22] entity um that we that we
um proposed to um uh for the group um
[1:18:30] this came um at basically as as Arlo
said this this is at the request of
[1:18:37] Cypress County because their funding um
that they were willing to provide uh as
[1:18:43] per their motions uh requested that
everybody stayed in until all the
[1:18:48] projects were done until the end so we
had to Pro we had to build a a
[1:18:53] governance system that would keep
everyone involved included and um until
[1:18:59] we got all seven projects finished so um
it it's you're a big reason why we've
[1:19:06] got this on the table here today and we
were able to use that uh leverage to get
[1:19:11] this done and and um and I think we've
got a a a document here that everybody's
[1:19:16] felt comfortable to sign and um I'll
I'll walk through that with you a little
[1:19:22] bit so this entity is um is to become an
advocating body and and project and a
[1:19:31] project Implement implementation
body um it's partnering with
[1:19:38] smri and the municipalities um it
identifies and uh solidifies long-term
[1:19:45] timelines to ensure uh complete
completion of all seven
[1:19:52] projects um we want to ensure that the
final construction is something that
[1:19:57] smrd can use as they will be taking on
operations and maintenance of this uh
[1:20:04] what after it's
completed um is to to ensure Financial
[1:20:09] structure and um that the ex
expenditures are uh
[1:20:14] significant and uh that they achieve the
Full Construction build out on time and
[1:20:20] on
budget um
[1:20:26] so when we started um we had um the MD
Taber apply for Grant and received a
[1:20:33] grant uh from the Alberta Community
Partnerships Grant um we hired water
[1:20:38] smart to facilitate Workshop style
discussions we started those discussions
[1:20:45] in uh April of
2023 with our first workshops and then
[1:20:51] um we at those workshops we had both
administrated and electric officials
[1:20:56] working
[1:20:58] alongside um and we had them from each
of the municipal Partners in the
[1:21:04] irrigation
districts um our last Workshop was of
[1:21:08] January 2024 so last year around this
time we finished up on this and then
[1:21:15] um so what did we uh what did we do at
those those um those workshops
[1:21:23] um we jointly drafted an agreement and
we addressed the concerns as we reviewed
[1:21:30] feedback from our partners and we made
some
[1:21:33] edits um we have some um exciting edits
here probably since the last time we
[1:21:40] talked to you um we we came up with a
few things from the the request of um
[1:21:46] the partners involved we have now gone
to a fixed pledge
[1:21:52] um um
um fixed amount of of of funds asked um
[1:21:59] with a 2% inflation rate that ties back
to the 2023 cost
[1:22:06] um
the where everybody got nervous is when
[1:22:10] we had the inflation of of the 2023
discussion um Everybody uh thought this
[1:22:17] thing was going to be a runaway on us
and so we we instead of trying to do a
[1:22:21] percentage of the grants asked for we're
we're going to a St St where um we just
[1:22:26] pledged the monies um uh you'll see the
monies there that we're asking and
[1:22:32] then and then we go look for the grant
funding to uh get the projects
[1:22:38] completed um we've got the second uh
portion that we um that I alluded to
[1:22:44] earlier um we've got uh we've asked SMR
to to um come forward with all the
[1:22:51] maintenance costs in the future so
there's no risk there to to your
[1:22:55] counties and your your councils into the
future that you're tying something to
[1:22:59] these um these funds that's going to be
a runaway these are hard numbers that we
[1:23:05] we
propose and um and this is all we ask
[1:23:09] for and the other part of of this
agreement is that these funds remain
[1:23:15] with you until uh called on we get we
give you these uh this schedule just so
[1:23:20] you can do some budgeting on your side
but they're hard numbers that you can
[1:23:24] use and um and this is what you can
expect if we don't get the projects
[1:23:30] funded if we don't find the grants for
them we won't be asking um for your
[1:23:35] funds until we find that grant funding
to match um the projects
[1:23:41] so
um so I'm just going to jump
[1:23:51] away kind of run from memory here and
got off my script a little bit but um
[1:23:56] you can yeah there's probably a good one
to be so
[1:24:01] um so the the
[1:24:08] partners uh the partners are defined to
those who have contributed or are
[1:24:13] contractual committed to the provincial
funding uh to provide Financial contri
[1:24:20] contribution to the projects
[1:24:26] all partners are represented in its to
in this
[1:24:32] entity thank
[1:24:44] you um the the
[1:24:50] need we need the entity to be formalized
and operation in a timely manner we uh
[1:24:57] we will execute the remaining projects
existing in
[1:25:01] the project implementation
[1:25:06] plan uh two
projects um will be executed by SM U one
[1:25:13] is already complete the solder uh shoot
as we talked about um SM built uh spent
[1:25:22] uh close to 12 million in that that in
the in the build and then uh um securing
[1:25:27] that Dam with an extra toe on the bottom
um the chin Reservoir um we're we're
[1:25:35] working on that um they've been working
on that dilcy they're on the regulatory
[1:25:41] process right now um we're about three
years into that um we did do um a
[1:25:47] replacement uh last year of the
[1:25:52] um of the
Inlet uh Canal um there's a u if you're
[1:25:59] wanting to go to a website there's a um
documentation of of that um so you can
[1:26:07] follow along if if you
feel I feel like you'd like to
[1:26:13] um so that's uh the inlets into the into
the chin Dam um so that'll give us more
[1:26:20] capacity out of the Bain canal and uh
get more water into
[1:26:26] um so that that's um been built and will
come in uh this
[1:26:36] spring um so there yeah there's uh
there's going to be an um Conduit on the
[1:26:43] west D that we need to um rebuild and
and um that was built back in the 50s so
[1:26:50] we're um taking that on and that's going
to be part part of that new design um we
[1:26:56] will be um building a new East
Dam um about 5 miles further east and
[1:27:05] then um at at U we also will be raising
the whole um lake so we will be needing
[1:27:13] cooperation from Alberta transportation
to uh redo the U Bridge across the dam
[1:27:19] there on that side had to be Highway 36
uh um Bridge
[1:27:26] um uh we got the the committee is
currently in the process of uh
[1:27:31] constructing the horse FL um Regional
Spillway and and merlet talked about
[1:27:36] that um The Entity would would end um
once these projects are complete and and
[1:27:45] I'll just
say unless it becomes a useful tool
[1:27:50] because there's always there's already
been ideas of maybe using this entity in
[1:27:56] um trying to get pable water out to
different regions and or uh Wastewater
[1:28:02] um so if we have that collaboration and
we're seeing success this could turn
[1:28:07] into to a different entity that that
could be useful into the future so we're
[1:28:14] we're hoping that we can lead by example
on that
[1:28:21] um so then we'll go to the
government's governance
[1:28:27] model maybe just down one there it's not
no it's not in there okay so
[1:28:34] sorry
financials contribution
[1:28:48] then yeah I just see it up there we got
to run ahead then to the numbers please
[1:28:55] or back back where you back with the
numbers were little one more one one
[1:29:02] more okay so this is um what we talked
about earlier
[1:29:08] um so the as you can see here um the um
140
[1:29:17] um 140,000 per partner another $5,000
for the administration fee per year so
[1:29:24] be 145 or six depending if just average
up but the part and thing here on this
[1:29:31] slide is to show the um the equal
percentage throughout all the partners
[1:29:36] and um this is actually less of a
percentage of the first ass of horsefly
[1:29:42] um to the to the four major counties um
but what it has done and has brought the
[1:29:47] percentage up on coldale and Taber um
smaller entities but at the same time um
[1:29:53] willing to be protect participate
because they see the importance of this
[1:29:56] um this
project when we uh did the um Horse Life
[1:30:01] Project funding there was a lot of
discussion who should pay what etc etc
[1:30:06] and back when we started with horsefly
uh it was agreed that the municipalities
[1:30:11] would take on 15% the towns would take
on 10% and the city 5% so what the AR's
[1:30:20] group has done the on the um uh admin
ministrative side when they got together
[1:30:25] they just said are we Partners or we not
partners and there they the decision or
[1:30:30] the discussion surrounded let's all be
equal partners and that's why it's
[1:30:35] 14.29% instead of 1510 and five is that
group AR's group said let's just be
[1:30:41] partners and then that way everybody's
paying the exact same thing everybody's
[1:30:46] getting benefits out of this program out
of these projects so let's just all be
[1:30:50] partners rather than uh dividing it 15
10 and 5% and like I said that brings up
[1:30:57] the the like I said the city of Medicine
Hat would have paid 5% and now they're
[1:31:01] at 14.29 just like uh we were asking 15%
from the Cypress County and now you're
[1:31:07] 14.29 so everybody's paying the same
thing all the partners are in it in it
[1:31:11] equal now and and that it just makes it
easier is everybody still in from the
[1:31:19] original group I thought there was more
than seven people involved or seven
[1:31:24] areas we have letters of commitment from
all of our partners uh except for one uh
[1:31:30] we we've made this presentation to the
city of Medicine Hat and in December
[1:31:35] they made a motion to come in and be a
partner on part of this one that we is
[1:31:39] still out outstanding and we still have
the intent to go and visit them again is
[1:31:44] the county 40 mile they are the only
ones that have are still sitting on the
[1:31:48] edge and we haven't got a definite
commitment from them yet we have visited
[1:31:55] them and and there's been some changes
from their concerns that they're the
[1:31:58] ones that push for the maintenance on
the main Canal uh for ask them to do so
[1:32:02] we did get that done they also we also
got a hard number since we visited with
[1:32:07] them last you know to to be able to
budget and and not have those uh runaway
[1:32:12] costs um for future uh councils to worry
about was the city of lathbridge
[1:32:20] involved in the beginning the city of
lathbridge is never been involved they
[1:32:24] won't take our meetings we we had one
good meeting with the current mayor and
[1:32:29] he knew the issue and he knew the he
knew the uh benefits to their their city
[1:32:36] um of course as you all know they're
kind of in the middle of that exhibition
[1:32:39] thing right now so it was a bad time to
maybe talk to them um until they get
[1:32:45] that I I will tell you that we have had
discussions with
[1:32:51] mlaas um around their area that want
them to be part of this U initiative so
[1:32:59] I think once we have it signed we
haven't given up on the the hope to have
[1:33:04] those meetings and and have maybe a bit
of pressure from the mlaas to help them
[1:33:10] help us get in get them included in that
and then these percentages would go down
[1:33:16] one thing about this with Medicine Hat
when we we got their um got them on
[1:33:22] board we they agreed to come back with
their original contribution to um
[1:33:28] horsefly Spillway also so they've been
as if they were in from the beginning
[1:33:34] they'll provide the funding asked for
from them as partners as they've been
[1:33:38] along with us the whole time so uh they
agreed to do that and um are willing to
[1:33:44] to see this uh be uh completed to the
end so as Gary mentioned earlier when
[1:33:52] you're committing the4
40 uh $5,000 a year plus 2% inflation
[1:33:58] over the years just so that uh it it
gives you guys a number that you can
[1:34:03] budget annually you know that your
contribution is going to be 145,000 plus
[1:34:07] 2% every year ending up at about 212,000
contribution in year 20 and that uh that
[1:34:15] gets that money gets to stick in your
bank account until this committee calls
[1:34:18] for it and we'd only call for it once
the project has been tendered and the
[1:34:22] and the tender has been awarded and
that's when your Municipal contribution
[1:34:26] would be required and we'd only tender
if we get the grant funding and yeah we
[1:34:31] don't we don't go ahead with any project
that we don't have the money for and uh
[1:34:36] it uh takes a lot of um time on
Administration behalf to apply for
[1:34:41] Grants and those sort of things but
that's that's where we got to that's
[1:34:44] where we are today is we got grant
funding from the two different levels of
[1:34:48] government and our municipalities and
the smid to to start the horse fly
[1:34:53] project
and uh like I said I'm not sure which
[1:34:56] one is going to be next that we've kind
of left that up to the technical
[1:34:59] committee to to think to decide which is
the next most beneficial project to
[1:35:03] start with but until we have the grant
funding in place we don't tender a
[1:35:09] project and we don't have to make your
contribution but you know that uh based
[1:35:14] on today's numbers you would be looking
at 14588 to plus 2% interest or
[1:35:20] inflation I should say each year uh as
your contribution when the time comes
[1:35:25] that we actually call for the money so
yeah if you move up a slide that or two
[1:35:30] it shows another question from somebody
here no to the chair so you talk about
[1:35:34] the grant funding I was just kind of
curious what kind of percentage are you
[1:35:37] looking for when it comes to the grant
funding like to get to be involved I
[1:35:42] mean to be to make it go
forward well well again we're we're not
[1:35:48] proposing this as a percentage we're
proposing it as more of a pledge and
[1:35:52] then we go look for the gr funding to
finish it so this is your hard number
[1:35:56] here
um this is this is your ask uh scroll up
[1:36:03] uh no the way you're going is good one
more right there so that shows you how
[1:36:09] the inflationary part of it works that's
the number that inflates in 20 years but
[1:36:14] this is your only ask then we go looking
for federal and and preventional funding
[1:36:18] to fill the Gap to the so that's what I
mean by a pledge there is no moreone
[1:36:23] money asking here I understand that but
I'm just curious of what what Grant are
[1:36:28] you you know looking for to even carry
on start the project with like I mean
[1:36:32] are you hoping to get you know 20% of it
or 10% of the total cost
[1:36:38] or I'm not sure if you understand what I
mean
[1:36:41] but I think I understand I mean as
always the goal would be to get as much
[1:36:46] as possible I think generally lot lots
of the provincial programs are a 7030
[1:36:52] cost share breakdown
I can speak only specifically to the
[1:36:56] horsefly Spillway project and we're
sitting at about a 80 to 85% grant
[1:37:02] funding uh level there so much better
than the 7030 but we've been able to
[1:37:07] achieve it's about 82 or
83% grant funding and that's a
[1:37:12] combination of Federal Grant and
provincial
[1:37:16] Grant they they also we're going to get
to the the the amount that SM is um is
[1:37:23] contributing to this but they're also
now allowing the purchase price of the
[1:37:29] um land to be part of our pledge so
that'll help the the initial grants
[1:37:34] weren't that way but now they're letting
us do that and I think we were able to
[1:37:38] stack a few grants to to to bring that
percentage
[1:37:41] up Robin thank you um I just need
Clarity on one thing with with the
[1:37:47] pledge system I like that that sounds
great um what I'm trying to understand
[1:37:52] because I don't believe that this is a
20e buildout so how does the Pledge part
[1:37:58] work with you know um essentially if you
get the the grant funding that you're
[1:38:05] looking for but it happens sooner than
the the the pledges coming in how does
[1:38:10] that
[1:38:14] reconcile the idea was that we could get
these all done in in a 20-year time
[1:38:19] frame we were hoping to do one every
five years and like uh the the pumping
[1:38:24] station uh pumping Inlet stations that's
a small one it's like $2 million that
[1:38:28] one's not a big deal probably Murray
would be the next biggest I I don't know
[1:38:32] which is the most expensive after the
one we're actually working on but the
[1:38:36] timeline we were hoping to do one
project every within a time a fiveyear
[1:38:40] time frame and so hopefully by putting
20 years on this that's like I said
[1:38:45] that's what your contribution is and we
just have to fund raise them to to to
[1:38:50] make up the rest I think that if I
remember correctly MAF would do 40% of
[1:38:55] the project arlos and the acrp
was um it worked out to about
[1:39:02] 73% uh grant funding and we've been able
to get more actually than the than the
[1:39:08] 73% I think I think you said we're about
83% right now on the horse project but
[1:39:14] what we what we're trying
to do here is solidify what the ask is
[1:39:19] for
municipalities and then it's up to the
[1:39:22] committee whoever that committee is uh
in the future to get the fundrais to do
[1:39:27] the fundraising with the provincial and
federal government to make up the
[1:39:31] rest I I think the other thing to
remember is in the agreement you are at
[1:39:36] the table so you can regulate how fast
you want to go on this too right so um
[1:39:42] it's not necessarily that cuz you are
part of the committee you know that in
[1:39:47] there too so it it'll be the appetite of
the people involved but this was trying
[1:39:51] to give a number so that people could go
out and
[1:40:03] budget okay anybody else have any
questions at this
[1:40:16] point so again we we um we took the
2023 um numbers now these would have had
[1:40:24] a quite an inflation jump when we you
know through Co and all the rest but we
[1:40:29] took this as a as a hard number then and
and add the the 2% to it
[1:40:35] so we're pretty sure we can sell this to
um the feds and the province as a pledge
[1:40:42] and and be able to get the grant funding
to to get these um projects
[1:40:51] completed um go to the next slide
then um so this is um the SM um
[1:41:00] Financial
contribution um they uh they did
[1:41:05] complete the solder Spillway there was
another $2 million they put on top of
[1:41:09] that um to uh to get that project done
um the chin expansion um well they'll be
[1:41:18] it'll be uh well over that now as we got
into the regulatory side of things and
[1:41:23] understand the the different uh um the
East End when they started doing the
[1:41:30] exploratory um drilling to see what
they're building on it's going to be
[1:41:35] quite a Quite a feat to get that that
damn built um they've we when we did the
[1:41:44] initial uh phase one of of uh horse fly
Spillway we we still hadn't had City
[1:41:50] Madison hat on board and and um we we
kind of could see things falling apart
[1:41:57] with all our partners so I went back to
SM and asked for this one and a half
[1:42:01] million to get that project finished um
so they they did that and um they're um
[1:42:09] also doing the the land uh purchases
um uh which is yeah over a million
[1:42:17] dollars on that they're working on right
now phase two which is the most
[1:42:21] congested from um
the the Roger sugar South now to um to
[1:42:29] um to the horse fly down there
so
[1:42:34] um they uh also as I've told you before
they they've um they're working on their
[1:42:40] commitment to um to do um the the um
cost to do the
[1:42:51] the uh to upkeep on on the on the
canal uh the operating costs um and
[1:42:58] they're estimating that to be about 250
a year
[1:43:07] um the the master G does not propose a
instance um for large scale emergency
[1:43:14] disaster causing
um significant infrastructure damage so
[1:43:20] this this is talking to when we ask the
counties to help us um to go look for
[1:43:27] disaster funding from The Province when
we have a ma a major
[1:43:31] um major wreck on our main Canal so much
the same way would would be for the uh
[1:43:37] for the spillway then
[1:43:42] too okay so go to the next slide please
[1:43:55] okay so we
um so we uh we've got the the plan now
[1:44:00] and and we've gone around to um all our
partners um except for for M we got to
[1:44:05] get back to them again um um we've got
the the master agreement and um imp
[1:44:12] we'll have the implementation plan um to
have a the preliminary uh
[1:44:20] timeline um and then
um like I said roughly 20
[1:44:26] years um the plan is to be
[1:44:32] um uh amended by the MCC once
formalized
[1:44:42] um so from that um we're we're moving
from the the planning stage then into
[1:44:48] the uh into the implementation side uh
the capital comp uh contributions
[1:44:54] request uh for the project approximately
every 5 years so as we talked about here
[1:45:01] before
[1:45:06] so okay the next slide
please uh once the agreement has been uh
[1:45:13] reviewed and signed which uh again we're
very close um the go governing entity
[1:45:19] will be
established um will be establishing The
[1:45:24] Entity um will require approval from by
all councils and partners so um again
[1:45:31] that's why we're here and and that's why
we've done the um trip to all the uh the
[1:45:36] partners and and explained the
presentation any questions okay I do
[1:45:43] believe there's some questions
here Robin you had some more
[1:45:49] questions I did thank you gentlemen um
the as I listen to the presentation and
[1:45:55] as I think back over the last few years
um there been a lot of different uh you
[1:45:59] know a lot of different information
that's comeing and I I I recognize that
[1:46:03] we are dealing with a you know a
liability the the the uh water
[1:46:08] management the flood mitigation I see
that you know as as an insurance policy
[1:46:13] um and my position has always been that
you know like I I can see I can see why
[1:46:18] Taber and I can see why a lot of those
communities that are in that immediate
[1:46:21] vicinity where you you know you're
you're trying to mitigate the flooding
[1:46:25] but you're also able to take advantage
full advantage of the water um capacity
[1:46:31] and the potential of utilizing that for
the plants I think and Merl when you
[1:46:35] gave the list of some of the different
businesses and and industries that are
[1:46:38] out there um all of them were in that
area not necessarily down here and so
[1:46:43] I'm not blind to our potential and our
and our our um where we want to go down
[1:46:48] here but I definitely see Cypress County
as being 10 15 years behind behind where
[1:46:54] kind of that food Corridor in that Taber
Cale Lethbridge area is and where we
[1:46:58] want to be able to go so the challenge
that I have is I want to be able to
[1:47:03] communicate to our residents my
residents that um in supporting this
[1:47:08] that we aren't only ticking off the Box
on um trying to uh manage uh and
[1:47:14] mitigate risk on flooding which is
largely happening Upstream um but that
[1:47:19] we're also able to provide them for this
equal part parip that we're
[1:47:24] in some form of opportunity which I
recognize is provided through smeared
[1:47:29] and and you're not standing here
representing smeared currently but
[1:47:32] making sure that we have the ability to
benefit and to be able to uh utilize
[1:47:37] some of this additional water storage
and so early on that was kind of a part
[1:47:42] of the conversation I'm just curious to
know where we're at with that now um are
[1:47:46] we still in a position where smear disc
may be communicated what kind of
[1:47:50] potential capacity we'd be looking at
and what that would translate to as far
[1:47:54] as like Cypress County and potential for
more irrigation down the road or are we
[1:47:59] as kind of the the last guys on the on
the uh the line um kind of in the
[1:48:05] partnership more from a pure risk
mitigation standpoint it's pretty direct
[1:48:11] question but I just I'm I I need to know
kind of where we're at with that right
[1:48:16] um yeah and thanks for the question I as
you know I'm an advocate to to Bringing
[1:48:23] industry in Agri food to medicat to
Cypress County and um I see this as as
[1:48:31] being twofold in the fact that the the
flood
[1:48:35] um proofing that we're doing here or the
the the mitigation that we're doing here
[1:48:41] to help make sure that those
infrastructures remain in place so that
[1:48:46] that industry can come to CPUs County
and and be assured that that water is
[1:48:51] available and won't be
interrupted second fold to that is is
[1:48:57] the the Murray Lake in
particular will be bigger to hold more
[1:49:03] drainage water but there will be times
that it would could hold more water um
[1:49:10] that won't be wasted when when we have
rain events and all the sprinklers shut
[1:49:16] down and and there's a place for that
water to be stored and be used by US
[1:49:21] down this way this ties excuse me this
ties
[1:49:26] in perhaps with the discussion we're
having on on the U uh cabin Lake
[1:49:32] discussion and and and putting more
Acres out that direction if that happens
[1:49:38] it becomes all of St Mary at in one and
the expansion acres are there to be used
[1:49:43] everywhere so if there's opportunities
down here it certainly can be used for
[1:49:48] that um second to that I have had
conversations with Agri food industry
[1:49:56] pointing to Seven Persons in particular
right by Murray Lake as a great place to
[1:50:01] set up shop um because of the
Railway because of the of the lake
[1:50:08] itself for winter water and use um to to
run a plant much like the ones along
[1:50:14] Highway
3 um potential for Lane actually in
[1:50:19] three directions East West and North
from here so um I I
[1:50:26] have been that's my vision I guess to
see for and what I've put out there to
[1:50:32] um people interested in coming here to
set up shop for that Agra aggra food
[1:50:37] industry second to that um Cypress
county is a big County and if people are
[1:50:45] going
to um the Acres used there there's
[1:50:49] there's many many acres of of grassland
and and
[1:50:53] um but this potential Corridor is where
your Agra food Hub is going to be and
[1:50:59] the potential growth is right here too
so it will affect all of those Acres but
[1:51:05] the the tax benefit coming from that um
that growth will come from that Corridor
[1:51:11] right in through here
so if that answers your
[1:51:16] question um Merill had some good
discussions too yeah
[1:51:22] um about 19 months ago I was invited to
participate in a tour of Southern
[1:51:28] Alberta with a major food production
company out of the United States and one
[1:51:35] of the things that absolutely impressed
them they were very impressed with the
[1:51:39] irrigation infrastructure that is in
place in Southern Alberta they just
[1:51:43] couldn't comprehend what we're doing in
Southern Alberta with irrigation putting
[1:51:49] pipeline in the ground to save water use
less water by uh pipelines versus open
[1:51:55] ditches etc
etc but they were really really
[1:52:00] impressed with what we're doing with
this project with these projects to
[1:52:04] protect that
infrastructure so that year after year
[1:52:08] if you have a bad storm event in the
Cypress Hills or the MD Taber we've got
[1:52:15] away or we or we're developing a way to
make sure that infrastructure doesn't
[1:52:19] get washed away for a season and that
was really they were really impressed
[1:52:23] with that will Cypress County benefit
from a major food processor coming to
[1:52:29] Southern Alberta I don't think it can
all be in the Lethbridge area it just it
[1:52:34] can't it's it's got to start coming this
way I believe because uh there's lots of
[1:52:40] land available for high value crops down
here that uh in let's just say tab I'll
[1:52:47] I'll pick on Tab because that's where
I'm from um there's it's already
[1:52:53] I'm not going to say totally saturated
for like let's say potatoes for example
[1:52:57] but there could be a lot more of it down
here if they were if they CH chose to to
[1:53:03] to come here as Gary said in for for
example the seven person's region around
[1:53:08] that lake so I I think that the the
benefits uh of the Agra food processing
[1:53:14] Corridor that MLA Hunter is working so
hard on the benefits will come this way
[1:53:21] but like I said from my exper experience
uh there this company was really
[1:53:26] impressed with what we're doing with
irrigation but the fact that we're doing
[1:53:30] these projects to protect that infrastru
infrastructure really impressed
[1:53:36] them any
Shane through all your
[1:53:43] studies because when you come down into
Cyprus County or
[1:53:46] irrigation funnels down or
acreages with the expansion of M lake
[1:53:53] has there ever been how many more Acres
we could actually actually irrigate
[1:53:59] because the cont you know we when you go
south it rises we got the river to the
[1:54:05] north we're confined on the amount of
Acres any extra Acres that we can put
[1:54:11] into
irrigation because we need extra acres
[1:54:16] to bring that Agri Food business this
way otherwise it's is going to stay to
[1:54:20] the West because your economics of
Trucking and that because we narrow down
[1:54:25] our acreages I mean our amount of Acres
irrigated here that it will stay to the
[1:54:31] West because it's just based on trucking
and access because you're coming out of
[1:54:35] nle down with
products and that so it's really tough
[1:54:42] so have on any of them Studies have they
said how many more Acres of irrigation
[1:54:47] we could have with the expansion of
Murray Lake
[1:54:52] I I don't know about the studies but
what I will tell you um if you go into
[1:54:58] to Taber and and and into
chin
[1:55:03] that they're not scared to push water
and they'll push water and then they'll
[1:55:08] put it in a reservoir and then they'll
push it out again um when you're seeing
[1:55:12] that kind of return per acre you know
that you see from from the roll crops of
[1:55:18] potatoes and and sugar beads um they're
not scared to to spend the money to do
[1:55:23] it you know we're we're you and I we're
not used to it cuz we we grow hay and
[1:55:27] and uh we have the FED Lots you know but
uh but that industry those those Farmers
[1:55:34] they you know I I know of three that
have bought land down here in the last
[1:55:39] year so I'm I'm not um I'm very
confident that they have no problem
[1:55:45] pushing
water further to the South to get up and
[1:55:50] and
the um Cavin Lake Project I think is is
[1:55:55] 3,000 Acres added you know in itself so
depending on how we we look at uh uh
[1:56:03] look at it I I don't think there's a an
issue there um if there's a way they'll
[1:56:08] find it and they'll make it
[1:56:12] work any other
questions
[1:56:18] Keith what's your time frame in your
estimate of getting
[1:56:25] um seeing a benefit at this part of the
do we have to wait the 15 years to the
[1:56:31] 20 years to see the benefit are we going
to see a benefit
[1:56:35] sooner than the tail end of the
[1:56:42] project well I I
think I I was involved with with the the
[1:56:50] um the plan coming into La Bridge the
potato plant there and and their Council
[1:56:56] had put the in place the place to put it
and and had everything uh arranged for
[1:57:02] them to come so I think any time that
you you move forward with with inviting
[1:57:10] people to come to build stuff it it's
not it's it's a good thing like it it it
[1:57:15] it promotes that confidence in your area
to come and invest so um I think
[1:57:22] quite honestly is is if you're looking
like you're you're inviting them to come
[1:57:28] they're they're going to come and build
and and they're going to bring with them
[1:57:32] all those jobs and all the Acres um that
that could potentially feed that that
[1:57:40] plant or that industry um so I think I
think you got to look at it more that
[1:57:46] you have to put the invite out first and
then have them come rather than say Well
[1:57:52] when will they come and and we'll do it
when they come they won't
[1:57:59] come any other
[1:58:05] questions I didn't ask
you go ahead which is why which is why
[1:58:13] I'm not speaking so no I just wanted to
make sure that um councelor C if I can
[1:58:17] see that
correctly his question was um
[1:58:23] I guess considered in the right context
um were you necessar were you
[1:58:28] specifically asking about the projects
identified in what we've reviewed today
[1:58:33] and whether this area will see the
benefit of those sooner than the 20-year
[1:58:37] buildout is that what you're asking okay
I think I think the answer to that is
[1:58:42] very driven by the members of that that
committee right so if you have strong
[1:58:48] representation I.E city of Medicine Hat
is on board now um um closely I think
[1:58:54] Cypress county is if you have that
presence I think you would see a lot
[1:58:58] quicker return in those projects being
built here on the east on the East End
[1:59:04] um again that's a very poit that's
that's me being speculative because I'm
[1:59:09] not an elected official I'm not I don't
sit on that committee but I think being
[1:59:13] part of
it will inform or better answer your
[1:59:18] question in terms of how quickly you can
realize the benefit of it solder
[1:59:22] Reservoir was a project that wasn't
contemplated to be sorry solder
[1:59:27] Spillway was a project that wasn't
contemplated to be done as quick as it
[1:59:31] was but it was done and that benefits
this end of the project or this end of
[1:59:35] the region um a lot quicker than
expected so that's one project that has
[1:59:40] been completed but you look at Murray or
Paradise those two particular projects I
[1:59:44] think I think have a good case to to be
pushed up in the queue um once this
[1:59:50] partnership is actually form normalized
so okay I hope that answers your
[1:59:54] question a little bit yeah actually your
last statement kind of kind of help put
[1:59:58] that in perspective yeah again we've got
uh what we call the main committee which
[2:00:03] is the elected officials and and arlos
uh kind of has a loose Committee of the
[2:00:09] administrative officials and then the
technical committee is is like engineers
[2:00:14] and Public Works people from um each
member Community or municipality and
[2:00:20] like I said they're the ones that
recommended I guess to the main
[2:00:24] committee that horsefly Spillway be done
first and so uh by have Cypress County
[2:00:30] having somebody on that technical
committee they can voice their opinion
[2:00:33] that no this project needs to be done
next or you know like I said it was a
[2:00:37] recommendation to the main committee
quite a number of years ago that
[2:00:41] horsefly be done first and that was that
came from the technical committee okay
[2:00:45] so it's really us getting involved on on
the on the different uh aspects of
[2:00:51] finding this yeah like I
believe Dan and Richard have attended in
[2:00:57] the past some of the committee meetings
I don't know about on the technical side
[2:01:01] but uh I I said each of the
municipalities each town and uh
[2:01:06] municipality has had somebody
representing their municipality at the
[2:01:10] technical committee working group that
hashes out some of the details before it
[2:01:16] comes to the the main committee for
approval okay does that make sense
[2:01:21] Richard and
Robin I've always supported this project
[2:01:25] and uh I like it the way it's been
coming along
[2:01:30] um there's lots more to do things
besides iral IR irrigable Acres I look
[2:01:39] at vertical vertical growing
because of the uh Greenhouse that's in
[2:01:47] my um my area last count they I think
they employ 365 people uh lots of
[2:01:54] spin-off daily
Trucking uh out of there that goes to
[2:01:59] Red Hat Red Hat employs a bunch of
people I was told there's 11 trucks a
[2:02:04] day leaving Red Hat to go to Edmonton
besides all the other places so you look
[2:02:10] at the spin-off there and uh you know
that's just big marble being my neighbor
[2:02:16] but if they lose if the infrastructure
is lost Upstream
[2:02:22] they are done cuz they totally rely on
the water that they're getting for
[2:02:28] irrigation and uh they have big big
ponds
[2:02:33] but I remember talking to Grant Hunter
and saying well it's great to you know
[2:02:38] kind of expand the acreage there but
don't forget about us here that there's
[2:02:42] such a thing as that and and who knows
there there could be some more uh plans
[2:02:47] coming up eventually for vertical
growing and I think we need to you're
[2:02:52] ready for that
uh especially when we say we want to buy
[2:02:57] Canadian so I I think we got to really
really take a look at this and also be
[2:03:03] part of it so thanks Robin thanks this
is my last question um because I'm
[2:03:08] getting hungry so the uh you mentioned
about uh governance and you mentioned
[2:03:14] about the main committee and the
technical committee um I don't think
[2:03:17] that we went through our organizational
meeting here in October and I I don't
[2:03:22] believe that we have somebody on the
committee we may have participated early
[2:03:26] on you know kind of as an ad hoc type of
a thing but what what is the actual
[2:03:31] structure of those committees is is it
that every every member has one person
[2:03:36] that sits on that main committee is it
two people how does that how does it
[2:03:39] work from a governance standpoint right
at this point in time it's kind of loose
[2:03:43] okay like uh our municipality has three
people that attend not
[2:03:48] necessarily they all vote but
technically maybe only one of us should
[2:03:51] it's kind of loose right now and that's
why we're trying to get it into an
[2:03:55] actual formal everybody would have one
person there or two people there
[2:03:59] whatever the number might be so that
everybody's got an equal
[2:04:03] vote the uh like I said that that's kind
of the main committee like I said and
[2:04:07] then the technical one is just like I
said the the city engineer the municipal
[2:04:12] uh in uh director of Municipal
infrastructure
[2:04:15] whatever uh sit on a committee and like
I said they work out hash out some of
[2:04:20] the I don't know they had a meeting the
other day we're still working on the
[2:04:23] horsefly one and they this technical
committee kind of makes sure the
[2:04:28] engineering is done and the project
management is done and that that way the
[2:04:32] main committee doesn't have to do it on
a day-by-day basis we have a former
[2:04:36] employee of the mdia Taber that's kind
of the project manager for the horsefly
[2:04:41] project and I know he's looking to be
retired he retired five years ago but we
[2:04:45] still carrying them on you know and
we're just trying to get this formalized
[2:04:50] so that it's not an ad hoc group CU
really that's really all it is right now
[2:04:54] is a well it's you need an army right
now right you've got your practical side
[2:04:58] with which is your operations but if
you're talking about the completion of
[2:05:02] the project being limited to fundraising
you need you need to have that committee
[2:05:06] doing work in Edmonton you need to have
that that committee doing work in Ottawa
[2:05:09] you have to be especially with a change
of government coming soon um we need
[2:05:13] like to me that would be a missed
opportunity and similar to Lethbridge
[2:05:17] you know taking their team Lethbridge
and going up to Edmonton I see this
[2:05:21] committee needing to do something
similar to that if if it's going to be
[2:05:25] Tang it it's just like you said you got
to invite you actually have to go and
[2:05:29] find the funds it's not just there there
aren't grants saying hey there's a
[2:05:32] Spillway Grant that's available right
now so the the governance structure that
[2:05:35] Gary's talked about is formalizing what
we've been doing ad hoc for 10 plus
[2:05:40] years yeah and and basically when you
sign up you're signed up and the exit
[2:05:45] clause is you pay what you would have
paid if you had a stayed in sort of a
[2:05:49] thing but it's formalizing it so that
it's not just an ad hoc group of elected
[2:05:55] officials or technical committee that
get together and move this thing along
[2:05:59] and that's really the way it's been done
now is is Gary and I have just we're the
[2:06:03] co-chairs and every municipality has
somebody or one you know uh the CEO
[2:06:09] comes and the elected official come the
elected officials vote and that sort of
[2:06:14] stuff but it's we're trying to formalize
it so that this group can stay together
[2:06:19] to get all the projects done and if it
works after that to carry on doing other
[2:06:23] projects so be it otherwise at the end
when the projects are all done this
[2:06:27] thing will
[2:06:31] fold okay I just have an important point
that I missed there when as I went way
[2:06:39] ahead of myself and got flustered and
had to calm myself down but um I just
[2:06:44] wanted to point out because you'll be
going through this agreement or you'll
[2:06:47] be reading it and um the paradise
is a bit of a different animal in that
[2:06:54] it's not part of the SM infrastructure
and in the agreement that we have
[2:06:59] presented now it it has that we will
advocate for the province to take on
[2:07:04] that structure once it's built and do
the maintenance and own it and that's
[2:07:08] nothing new The Province does own dams
all over the province so just wanted to
[2:07:13] point that out that because if you come
upon that and reading it you you'll find
[2:07:17] that point and wonder why that's been
changed but it it's just that it's not
[2:07:21] not something that SM is involved with
so we're substitute simply substituting
[2:07:26] The Province for
[2:07:35] that in closing like I said thank you
for the opportunity to come and uh
[2:07:39] refresh and remind you what we're doing
and bring you up to speed as to what's
[2:07:43] actually happening we invite the Cypress
County to be part of this we think that
[2:07:48] there's benefits for the Cypress County
to be part of this group
[2:07:52] um and again we appreciate the
opportunity to come and visit with you
[2:07:59] today have a great day guys thank you
very
[2:08:04] much I will adjourn for lunch
[2:08:36] no okay I'll call the meeting back to
order so I need a motion to take it off
[2:08:44] the table
[2:08:48] correct Lane is making motion to take
what the heck was
[2:08:55] it control d control
of thank you Mr reev and members of the
[2:09:01] council it occurs to me as I was
listening to the discussion this morning
[2:09:05] regarding the dust control policy our
current desk control policy hasn't been
[2:09:09] looked at in many years and
uh I think we are making motions on
[2:09:14] fixing bits and pieces of without a
comprehensive review it would be my
[2:09:18] recommendation uh that Council would
direct admin ation to suspend the
[2:09:22] current policy and complete a
comprehensive review of the county dust
[2:09:26] control policy and bylaws and return
recommendations at the council by April
[2:09:29] the 1st which would give us plenty of
time to prepare for the 2025 dust
[2:09:33] control
[2:09:35] season I will change my motion to that
yes
[2:09:43] okay yes
yeah he likes him Rob
[2:09:54] okay everybody's good with that oh first
we got to vote on bringing it off the
[2:09:58] table
[2:10:04] correct I don't have to bring it back
okay so Dustin changes his motion to
[2:10:10] what's on the
screen the motion as it reads is that
[2:10:14] Council direct Administration to
complete a comprehensive review of the
[2:10:18] Cypress County dust control policies and
violence laws and return recommendations
[2:10:23] to council by April 1st 2025 that's the
first meeting in
[2:10:28] April any
[2:10:32] questions not seeing any
[2:10:43] vote he had to run into town for
something I don't know if it was an
[2:10:46] appointment or what it
was theom
[2:10:52] yeah
7.3.1 Mr
[2:11:06] Taves thank you Mr re through the chair
uh we're going to have um supervisor Hub
[2:11:12] walk us through the master rates
[2:11:28] good afternoon uh through the
chair uh Master rates uh uh bylaw or
[2:11:34] yeah Master rates bylaw is before you
council's being presented the 2025
[2:11:39] Master rate schedule the rate schedule
is presented annually and establishes
[2:11:44] all rates for applicable services
available including administrative
[2:11:49] Agriculture and Public Works and Utility
Services the general independent rate
[2:11:56] target is to re achieve cost recovery
with many rates calculated based on a
[2:12:03] 6.5%
markup um I'm not going to go read the
[2:12:09] whole thing
um uh the proposed rates that are before
[2:12:15] you are are aligned with the 2025 to
2029 approved budget
[2:12:22] and I will take any questions associated
with
[2:12:28] it and Steve wants to say and just one
one Amendment to the schedule um I would
[2:12:34] uh recommend in the motion that we
strike the calcium chloride for
[2:12:39] 1462 from that schedule as that'll be
coming back to
[2:12:47] council so since you're going to see it
do you want to move it
[2:12:51] speak considering that's what I was
going to say I will move
[2:12:55] it genius idea yeah heck of an
[2:13:01] idea okay so Blain's moving to master
master rates with the removal of what
[2:13:08] number was that
14 uh with the removal of calcium
[2:13:12] chloride 1462 in the schedule a
1462 okay floor is open does anybody
[2:13:20] have any questions on
[2:13:25] these they are what they are we're doing
cost recovery not much we can do about
[2:13:34] it just under the gravel a 12 bucks a t
tone is that still
[2:13:40] pretty giving us enough room with the
cost of how things are going crushing
[2:13:45] and everything is that still
adequate through the chair yes that's uh
[2:13:53] about right we're seeing in a quite a
bit lower in our production costs so
[2:13:57] it's it's a nice balance area for this
[2:14:06] year yeah C
1462 NOP that'll come back on the
[2:14:13] 1 it stays in because that take that
whole thing out yeah no that'll stay in
[2:14:19] because it's already a motion that it
has to go going but they're going to
[2:14:22] bring it back on the
[2:14:26] first councelor brost was asking about
the rates going up on
[2:14:31] 475 but that's already a motion for The
Farmstead uh
[2:14:37] residents yeah so that'll stay in that's
not coming out the only one coming out
[2:14:42] is the calcium chloride
[2:14:46] 1462 any other questions on
it
[2:15:00] vote it's
carried uh
[2:15:08] 7.3.2 just for a clarification uh Mr
chairman um if it would if Council would
[2:15:13] like they could do all three readings
today or second reading or except first
[2:15:16] and we can certainly bring it back my
bad no it's all it's all good no so
[2:15:21] recommended first reading that blaed it
did somebody do second reading uh
[2:15:26] Keith's doing second reading just a
thought sorry Mr chair if um if we end
[2:15:33] up bringing back the bylaw do we just
make an amendment to the bylaw after the
[2:15:36] fact once we receive the so we would
just do three readings to make Amendment
[2:15:40] to the bylaw later anyways
okay but this will activate everything
[2:15:45] they need right now y Keith is moving
second
[2:15:51] let see any questions
[2:15:57] vote as carried Robins moving to have
third
[2:16:10] vote that's carried and Michelle is
moving
[2:16:14] third vote
[2:16:21] that's carried there you go sorry about
that that was
[2:16:26] my
7.3.2 Mr DAV thank you Mr chairman uh
[2:16:31] we're happy to be able to present the
vehicle and Equipment disposal list to
[2:16:35] council um uh Council would have
received a uh sneak peek at this while
[2:16:40] approving the vehicle and Fleet
equipment replacement plan and uh from
[2:16:44] that time we had uh promised Council
that we would bring it back early in
[2:16:49] 2025 and here we are
um so uh Mr hubard will be uh presenting
[2:16:56] the RFD and uh Mr sh uh schmalz is here
for uh some technical um discussion on
[2:17:03] the um uh units as they come
up through the chair um so as Steve said
[2:17:13] upon approval of the Cypress um by um
Cypress city council Cypress Council
[2:17:19] sorry that I'm uh dating myself now of
the capital replacement plan of 2025 to
[2:17:26] 2029 attached is the
224 vehicle equipment listing of units
[2:17:33] available for disposal while various
units are recommended for disposal the
[2:17:38] Administration has included a
recommendation of units to be rained and
[2:17:44] further utilized internally so if you
turn to the disposal list
[2:17:52] um we have we have uh one two tractors
one John Deere one
[2:18:00] Massie four graders and the four graders
have been replaced by new units that we
[2:18:05] received in
20124 um some extrication
[2:18:10] tools uh these are tools that have been
replaced um with the fire service that
[2:18:16] they bought in
2024 as approved in in the 2024
[2:18:22] budget um and also an HP design jet
t1200 GIS
[2:18:34] printer yeah it was just uh the other
day two days ago I got a phone call
[2:18:40] about our
graders when are they going to auction
[2:18:45] do you know what what they
[2:18:49] roughly um I don't have an exact date
yet there are um uh auctions that we can
[2:18:54] look at now we just have to decide which
auction house we're going to go to and
[2:18:57] and go into one of the spring ones the
ones that auction houses we've been in
[2:19:01] contact with now have quite a bit of
construction equipment in them um but it
[2:19:05] is the season to kind of get those in
there and they're just sitting here so
[2:19:08] we just have to make that decision but
it should be right away here in
[2:19:11] Spring okay so you got a month or two
right okay thank
[2:19:18] you play
yeah those gravel trucks just how many
[2:19:23] miles are on those gravel
[2:19:29] trucks the two Western
[2:19:42] Stars you have something El you just add
to that do you do you dispose of them by
[2:19:48] with the based on kilometers or hours
and that's just because the rap is going
[2:19:53] to ask
okay it's mainly ours uh but both are
[2:19:58] factored
[2:20:09] in so the um excuse me through the chair
the the mileage on those units is
[2:20:14] something are our uh Fleet or Public
Works can can uh we can get that
[2:20:18] information do you think we could
[2:20:24] yeah so we can we can bring that
information at some point later on in
[2:20:27] the day here to council if that's okay
and are those just chassis or they the
[2:20:32] full box and everything on it's the full
unit the snow equipment as well the box
[2:20:37] everything
[2:20:40] everything okay any other questions oh I
forgot to get the
[2:20:48] motion I'd like to hold off on voting on
this until I know the the kilometers and
[2:20:54] that on these to on these Western
[2:21:01] Stars no it makes a big to me this is
important
[2:21:07] Dustin we've already replaced these
trucks
[2:21:10] though so these these would be assets
that have already been replaced that's
[2:21:14] why they would be going up for
[2:21:19] auction so essentially we would have
voted on this last year to replace these
[2:21:24] trucks and they would have been
replacing now the this is just the
[2:21:26] disposal list that we're seeing
now so uh through the chair um this the
[2:21:34] Western stars were previous on the
previous uh disposal list back in
[2:21:39] 2022 when it was proposed to buy the
trucks at that time um so they are
[2:21:47] currently currently on the basically
they they would be disposed when The
[2:21:53] Replacements come we have three
Replacements truck coming um sometime
[2:21:58] during this year so th that is the
reason why it is um the the three trucks
[2:22:04] are on the in the second box Fleet
available for disposal upon upon
[2:22:10] replacement so they have already been
approved for replacement we just we've
[2:22:15] been hanging on to them because we
haven't received all the trucks
[2:22:18] yet okay I think why everybody's asking
the questions is because we were selling
[2:22:22] those with such low mileage on them at
one time we were trying to run them up
[2:22:27] higher I see it's 10 years old now but
we were selling them every 5 years and
[2:22:32] they had barely any miles on but part of
the question that's coming up is that do
[2:22:36] we need them anywhere else if they're
really low
[2:22:40] mileage that's why the question's being
asked or is a spare
[2:22:46] truck so the the the third the third
Western Star truck has been pulled from
[2:22:52] the list and the reason it's been pulled
from the list is because it's being used
[2:22:56] by the oiling crew it's been set up in
such a way that it can take an oil tank
[2:23:02] and so that one of the Western Stars
we're holding back for that it we've
[2:23:07] just recently done a transmission
rebuild on that for 20K the assumption
[2:23:11] is that we with the transmission build
that it'll extend the life three
[2:23:17] years but these ones that we're selling
here the these are the ones that we can
[2:23:21] pull a box off and put a fifth wheel on
so we don't need extra trucks in the
[2:23:25] summertime for
graveling that we should be keeping them
[2:23:29] but these are just some of the questions
that have been popping
[2:23:36] around
Richard I I only asked because I there's
[2:23:41] a couple of R peers that had asked me
and I encourag them to phone public
[2:23:45] works but I don't know if it happened so
um I um I really believe we have to stay
[2:23:50] out of of it because we're going to have
nine different opinions on when we
[2:23:54] should dispose of something uh yeah back
few years ago I think
[2:24:00] maybe it it it was a situation where
they were not well used uh that's all
[2:24:09] been changed and you guys have your
budgets but I do say Shane that
[2:24:13] everybody would have a different number
as to what mileage they should be
[2:24:18] disposed of and that's why we got to
stay out of it
[2:24:31] okay while the question was asked and
you're going to find the information
[2:24:36] so I haven't even got the motion yet
[2:24:42] so don't no I forgot to get a
[2:24:47] motion it you made the motion motion to
dispose them okay so I do have a motion
[2:24:53] on the
[2:24:56] floor any more questions on
it they kind of look like they know what
[2:25:03] they're doing H which one of
them you know I could uh and through the
[2:25:11] chair I could provide a little bit more
information um we went through some uh
[2:25:16] some fairly turbulent times uh beginning
in 2020 uh when when assets weren't
[2:25:21] weren't available to get so uh we had to
put our minds to towards overh holding
[2:25:26] uh the vehicles while we waited uh for
the for the new asset to arrive so that
[2:25:32] put us out a schedule upwards of 16
months so so what we're seeing is a
[2:25:36] little bit of reworking the fleet to
meet the level of surface that uh the
[2:25:41] council's uh determined um also in 2020
the municipal discount went away and so
[2:25:48] we really need to put our minds back to
reworking that Fleet plan uh and and
[2:25:53] hats off to Public Works and and and
Trevor for for being being able to be a
[2:25:58] little bit more current with that plan
uh and and we only anticipate tightening
[2:26:02] that plan up more and more
and while we have our fingers and toes
[2:26:07] crossed for the municipal discount to
return but that's kind of the state
[2:26:10] we're in um for example the plow trucks
are are are critical if they go down the
[2:26:16] the the snow doesn't get removed from
the road so we have to kind of balance
[2:26:20] that expectation of service with the the
new reality of the price prices being so
[2:26:26] high to deliver that so we're um we're
on it it's not always pretty but uh but
[2:26:32] we're on
it Shane did you have your hand
[2:26:37] up the reason I brought about the Weston
star because I knew we could take the
[2:26:42] box off and put fifth wheel on Hall
gravel and it was brought up to Public
[2:26:45] Works before that we have spent quite a
bit of money on hiring out graveling
[2:26:51] where they were going to do a report see
if it is warranted for another trailer
[2:26:56] truck and trailer you know add some more
trucks to our Fleet so I was just
[2:27:00] wondering if it was thought of that we
may end up needing one of these and just
[2:27:04] get a trailer if we already had a truck
just so we could use it during the
[2:27:07] summer months for
graveling that is why I brought it
[2:27:16] up legitimate
[2:27:21] yeah I have a motion on the floor so is
there any more comments
[2:27:27] on
[2:27:36] vote it's
carried I don't need three in good shape
[2:27:42] I came out of BC during snowstorm it is
1995 there
[2:27:55] okay
[2:27:58] 7.4.1 thank you through the chair before
you is chief administrative officer
[2:28:04] bylaw
20255 Administration is seeking approval
[2:28:09] for chief administrative officer bylaw
201535 be replaced by the new CAO bylaw
[2:28:18] 20255 bylaw 202 505 significantly
expands upon the framework established
[2:28:24] in the 2015 bylaw for the CAO while both
bylaws outlin cao's the cao's primary
[2:28:31] role as the administrative Le leader and
adviser to council the new bylaw
[2:28:36] introduces more comprehensive
responsibilities explicitly tying the
[2:28:40] cao's duties to compliance with various
legislative
[2:28:46] acts key enhancements in the bylaw
include detailed legislation process
[2:28:50] extanded powers to negotiate contracts
legal sediments and increased
[2:28:55] accountability mechanisms the new bylaw
formalizes oversight and environmental
[2:29:00] compliance Taxation and development
agreements reflecting a more moderate
[2:29:05] and detailed approach to Municipal
Administration by repealing 2020
[2:29:11] 201535 the updated bylaw establishes a
more robust structured and legislatively
[2:29:16] aligned governance model for the cao's
role
[2:29:21] the mission is to provide Regional
leadership
[2:29:24] responsible responsible government and
Innovative Municipal Services
[2:29:28] Administration is recommending that
bylaw
[2:29:32] 20255 being a bylaw of Cypress County to
establish the position of chief
[2:29:37] administrative officer be given first
reading and as an alternative option for
[2:29:43] councel if you so choose you may pass
all three readings
[2:29:50] okay thank you uh Dustin's moving
first
[2:30:07] vote that's
[2:30:11] carried Robin moving second I had both
heads turning different ways here Robins
[2:30:18] moving second
any questions or
[2:30:24] comments not seeing any
[2:30:32] vote it's carried Michelle's move into
have
[2:30:37] third
[2:30:44] vote Carri Shane's move in
third vote
[2:30:58] that one's
carried okay we're on to
[2:31:12] 7.4.2 thank you through the chair before
council is the your is the council
[2:31:16] procedure bylaw Administration is
Seeking a approval for the procedure
[2:31:21] bylaw 20211 be replaced by the new
Council procedure bylaw the current
[2:31:27] bylaw requires updating to address
evolving governance
[2:31:31] needs to incorporate modern technology
practices and provide clear and more
[2:31:36] comprehensive guidelines for efficient
and transparent
[2:31:39] operations bylaw
20256 introduces significant updates
[2:31:44] emphasizing inclusive inclusivity
transparency and detailed government
[2:31:50] governance the 25 document expands a
scope to cover meeting procedures for
[2:31:54] all Council established bodies
prioritizing fairness and equality while
[2:31:59] the 21 document focuses more on
structuring Council and governance and
[2:32:04] committee
governance notable updates in the bylaw
[2:32:08] include explicit Provisions for
electronic participation live streaming
[2:32:13] and meeting recordings reflecting modern
technology role in governance it also
[2:32:18] strengthens guidelines for public
participation ensure ensuring structured
[2:32:23] time limits and
notification procedures in contrast to
[2:32:27] the flexibility offered in the 2021
version other key differences include
[2:32:33] enhanced rules in bylaw 20256 for
meeting scheduling cancellations and
[2:32:39] public
notifications the roles of the Reeve and
[2:32:43] Deputy Reeve are explicitly defined as
chair and vice chair respectively while
[2:32:47] the 21 document uses more broader terms
overall the 2025 document reflects a
[2:32:53] more detailed transparent and
technologically integrated approach to
[2:32:58] council's
procedures Administration is
[2:33:02] recommending that bylaw 20256 being a
bylaw of Cypress County to provide for
[2:33:08] the orderly proceedings of meetings held
by Council and various boards committees
[2:33:13] and other bodies established by Council
be given first reading or as the
[2:33:17] previous bylaw Council may choose to
give this bylaw all three
[2:33:23] readings thank
you uh Lloyd's move in first
[2:33:30] reading
[2:33:37] vote it's carried Richards move in
second the floor is open is there any
[2:33:44] questions or
Robin thank you Mr Reeve um I guess
[2:33:49] question for uh our CEO um when I was
reading through and just kind of
[2:33:54] skimming over this I wasn't too sure
whether or not because it wasn't we
[2:33:56] weren't looking at both and so I wasn't
too sure whether we were um kind of
[2:34:00] updating or if it was something that was
completely new um when it comes down to
[2:34:06] Bringing uh things like technological
you know meeting attendance virtually
[2:34:11] and you know we had some pretty good
stuff around um recorded meetings and
[2:34:17] you know how long they were being uh
saved online or are kept for um what
[2:34:22] kind of changes have we seen on that so
from the old bot to the new bylaw there
[2:34:28] is no changes councelor Kirby white
actually the the retention of those
[2:34:32] recorded meetings and stuff is within
our um records and retention bylaw so
[2:34:38] nothing changes this more is surrounding
um if people wanted to submit for
[2:34:41] instance a public hearing that somebody
isn't able to attend that we've given
[2:34:46] Provisions for them to submit their
presentation
[2:34:50] electronically this bylaw and also it
has a lot more procedures in it for
[2:34:55] Council so it's a lot more clear for
them to provide a notice of motion and
[2:35:00] basically it more aligns with what we
were currently doing the previous bylaw
[2:35:04] was a little bit um it uses terms that
we don't use anymore and I've found kind
[2:35:10] of doing my review of other
municipalities that a lot of these older
[2:35:14] bylaws are being brought back to be more
updated to what council's actually doing
[2:35:22] any other questions
[2:35:26] Michelle I do have one
on page 93 I think it is meeting agendas
[2:35:35] um it said in there if agenda is to be
published or the agenda is to be
[2:35:40] published six days prior to a meeting so
if that happens right now we like if
[2:35:46] we're submitting something for to be on
the agenda it has to be in the Wednesday
[2:35:50] before but according to this it has to
be in like the week before so I just
[2:35:55] wanted clarification on that like when
do we have to if we're submitting
[2:35:59] something to the agenda when does that
have to be
[2:36:06] there um yes so Council will notice that
there is going to be a little bit of a
[2:36:11] um a shift we are moving our timelines
um back I would say that we're going to
[2:36:16] be publishing in the agenda for example
I usually would be publishing on Friday
[2:36:20] but I will be publishing the the agenda
on Wednesday so I can go through and
[2:36:25] highlight a couple of the the date
changes
[2:36:29] but still there those timelines are
going to stay pretty much the same for
[2:36:34] Council but what I'll do is I'll um put
it in an email for some of those key
[2:36:38] dates I just don't have them all off the
top of my head at the moment but yeah
[2:36:41] you'll see agendas coming out a lot
sooner I I was just curious and then I
[2:36:45] did have another comment on page 81
under application
[2:36:50] purpose and this could be just me and
not anybody else but it all my policy
[2:36:56] committees it it in there it said it um
about common sense
[2:37:02] 2.1 and I didn't think I thought don't
think that's a term we can are allowed
[2:37:07] to use anymore is it because it implies
that somebody doesn't have it and we
[2:37:12] can't do things like that oh my mic
wasn't even on sorry
[2:37:19] there yeah know yes on page
81 page
[2:37:25] 81
[2:37:29] 2.1 I know I started on 93 and then went
back to 88 or 81 sorry but I don't mind
[2:37:36] the rest of it and it could be just
immed just that Common Sense term
[2:37:43] commense I mean I guess they're just
expanding on you know the spirit of
[2:37:47] fairness and equality
I mean if if you would prefer that that
[2:37:53] that part be struck out of the BW like
I'm not hung up on it one way or another
[2:37:57] so if if you don't like it in there we
could definitely change it I really
[2:38:00] don't care it just in like I said other
policy committees people have brought
[2:38:05] that forward saying that it implies that
someone does not have common sense and
[2:38:09] it's a derogatory term and you can't use
it anymore so me personally I I don't
[2:38:14] care I use common the term common sense
all the time but
[2:38:20] I'm good with
it I think it should be used more
[2:38:27] often Mr re members of the council just
to address councilor McKenzie's first
[2:38:32] point uh we are trying to get to a place
and we're using the uh the what is not
[2:38:38] going to be the second meeting in March
while council is attending RMA one of
[2:38:43] the things that happens is we are
rushing with limited staff to get a
[2:38:48] package together at the last minute for
every council meeting we're trying to
[2:38:52] get ahead where for example the February
19th and it won't happen yet because we
[2:38:56] haven't had that break but we're trying
to get to a point where the Feb where
[2:39:00] for example the February 19th council
meeting would already be in the can
[2:39:03] today ready to go there might be some
minor changes to the agenda but we're
[2:39:08] trying to get two weeks ahead so we're
not uh in particular for uh for the
[2:39:13] municipal clerk's office where it's
crazy the last little bit and staff are
[2:39:18] handing in at the last minute rfds and
counselors have last minute the requests
[2:39:22] and and then of course uh you know the
agenda has to be approved by the reev we
[2:39:26] are trying to use that break in March to
get two weeks ahead so staff is
[2:39:31] planning in theory for a March a second
meeting in March but there will not be
[2:39:35] one so that package will be in the can
so um uh so the municipal Services
[2:39:40] office will always be two weeks ahead uh
so that if there is a problem or and
[2:39:46] somebody it's sick somebody's on
vacation we're not going to be in a
[2:39:50] panic as how we're managing that package
at the last minute and that kind of goes
[2:39:53] through the question as to we can now
given that we will be ahead we can
[2:39:58] publish the agenda a day or two earlier
to allow both Council and the public to
[2:40:03] get a little extra time to read through
the package not just the agenda but
[2:40:07] through the whole package because some
of the packages are can be quite
[2:40:12] large thank
[2:40:15] you okay any other questions on it
who move
[2:40:23] second oh
com I thought he was trying to
[2:40:29] vote no I I appreciate what you're
trying to do that that would help me a
[2:40:33] lot because sometimes you you get busy
and and especially well I'm busy all
[2:40:38] year but sometimes it gets there's a lot
of reading and if you if you attack it
[2:40:42] at night you fall asleep several times
and you need an extra night or two to
[2:40:46] get through it
so anyway I like the Common Sense part
[2:40:52] in there I'd say go ahead and leave it
in and that's a little different the
[2:40:56] packages usually keep me up at night as
supposed to put me to sleep
[2:41:02] so all right second has been made
[2:41:09] vote carried Robins moving to have
third vot
[2:41:25] Shane Lloyd's mooving
third
[2:41:36] vote okay that's
carried where we going to
[2:41:44] 7.4.4 thank you Mr members of the
council this is regarding correspondence
[2:41:48] information you'll see that there just
for everyone's reminder L use B open
[2:41:52] house uh
uh oh hold on I'm
[2:41:58] sorry pending
councel
[2:42:05] all I think we jumped one there didn't
we
[2:42:08] yes oh that's okay that's your one one
leeway for the
[2:42:17] year yeah I don't believe there's any um
no motion is required on this one it
[2:42:21] it's just more for council's information
and if there's anything that they wanted
[2:42:25] to bring light to but these are just the
ones that um that staff is still
[2:42:29] currently working on and we come back to
a future meeting or a committee of a
[2:42:33] whole or do you want a motion receiving
for information no no okay all right
[2:42:40] then we will go to Mr Hogan then uh
thank you just a reminder for uh Council
[2:42:45] uh the land use bylaw open houses uh one
on the fifth
[2:42:49] uh tomorrow between 4: and 8 p.m.
Saturday at the irvan resource center
[2:42:53] between 10:00 a.m. and 2: p.m. uh there
is a uh Council lunch and invite to the
[2:42:58] Southfield Community Center uh and uh
and an au update the um ala link update
[2:43:06] and Au update um for your reading
pleasure as
[2:43:11] well
[2:43:14] okay do we need a motion on this one
[2:43:20] yes to accept it if I could just get um
Council to maybe if you could um just
[2:43:26] straw vote or maybe decide on a date for
the when you'd like to go out to
[2:43:32] safield or I can send it in an email
with I can do any date 21st
[2:43:44] February it'll be over by the 20th it's
17th 19th or something
[2:43:50] or would you prefer that I did it in I
mean I guess our Council meetings are
[2:43:55] getting a bit full I know previously we
did it in conjunction with the council
[2:43:58] meeting but I don't think it's going to
[2:44:05] work or is that kind of tough for
Council do you want me to ask him for
[2:44:09] some more dates in April and May
maybe when things slow down for
[2:44:17] you no
March 6 or 7th because that's right
[2:44:22] before caving and that and after that we
get into Cav season seating and busy
[2:44:30] time
[2:44:36] 17th so you have a council meeting on
the
[2:44:39] 4th then the 6th is the Thursday the
7eventh is the Friday
[2:44:51] well I'd say the seventh Friday because
if if they're having fish it's always
[2:44:55] fish on
[2:44:59] Fridays I don't care sounds like common
sense to
[2:45:04] me minute I'm G my son
[2:45:20] if you like I can send it out to Council
in an email and you guys can I can give
[2:45:25] you the choice of the sixth or the 7th
and then you can get back to
[2:45:32] me sure that's what you want or set it
for or set it
[2:45:41] today you guys
[2:45:45] pick it's a Friday may not be here
I won't I won't
[2:45:51] be and
[2:45:58] Reeves you pick the 7th March
7th Friday
[2:46:08] Friday okay Friday March
7th thank you yeah and then I'll just
[2:46:14] ask for a motion to accept the
correspondents and items for information
[2:46:19] blae is making that motion
sure
[2:46:31] vote Mr Hawk can you vote
[2:46:37] please
really that's
[2:46:42] carried read from counsel
reports obviously was on holidays so I
[2:46:50] don't have much to
report it was an expensive
[2:46:56] holiday uh Dustin we'll start with
you yeah I'm kind of in the same boat I
[2:47:03] got lots of sun and I went skiing but I
haven't done very much County stuff so
[2:47:07] I'll
pass
[2:47:10] Keith okay in addition to council went
to the egg Service Board conference in
[2:47:17] Edmonton
a lot of good um
[2:47:22] speakers
um everything from cootes to pigs
[2:47:27] to drones and mental health lot lots of
good presenters so I really enjoyed that
[2:47:38] conference I had a nice tour with uh our
new CEO there a week in a b go uh had a
[2:47:44] good time uh good good conversations and
toured them around w before and uh we
[2:47:49] had a chance to go and have a peek at
some of the stuff that prayer Rose was
[2:47:53] doing over at their Academy building and
and talk planes and all that fun stuff
[2:47:58] uh I did have one phone call that came
in that I wanted to run by councel and
[2:48:01] see um what if you know what kind of
direction we want to take with it but
[2:48:06] it's with regards to um some of the elk
issues um that some of our ranchers out
[2:48:11] in the hills are dealing with right now
Lloyd you listening because this one I
[2:48:15] think I need to get your thoughts on
this one too so um had a call from one
[2:48:19] one of the ranches out in the the
elkwater area and you don't believe it
[2:48:25] but just specifically though about um
what can the county do with regards to
[2:48:30] um you know damages and things like that
that some of the elk do and I I'm not
[2:48:34] personally Familiar of any kind of
precedent although I know with the with
[2:48:38] the base there's been a lot of stuff
that happens out there there's you know
[2:48:42] there's a lot of different kinds of
programs that exist that deal with pests
[2:48:47] and damages that are done and so what I
mentioned to this this Rancher was you
[2:48:52] know I would I'd bring it by Council um
I think that there's a couple of
[2:48:56] different potentials that we have one
maybe that it goes to the egg Service
[2:48:58] Board I don't know if the egg Service
Board would have any kind of
[2:49:01] conversation about that or maybe what we
do is um you know we can I can send an
[2:49:06] email to our CEO and just say Hey listen
this is the what I got and we can
[2:49:10] perhaps look into any kind of
resolutions that maybe RMA has currently
[2:49:14] to see if there's something that could
be done but to me it was a a a valid
[2:49:20] concern that I I imagine I bring forward
and kind of see where we want to
[2:49:29] go he was sleeping through it no he was
he was okay
[2:49:35] Lloyd so I'm gathering he's this branch
is complaining about his crop or his
[2:49:40] fences yeah was he said that there's
already um programs that exist or the
[2:49:46] insurance that you can get if they get
into your Hast stack that help with some
[2:49:49] of that but some of it was crops some of
it was fences and uh and just kind of
[2:49:54] asking what what the county could do and
I know from my experience on Council you
[2:49:59] know what the county may do is much
different than say what the province
[2:50:03] might do if you know if there's programs
but I don't really have any experience
[2:50:07] in this so I'm kind of laying it out
there to see if anybody I'm sure he
[2:50:11] knows and but uh the fish and wildlife
have a of a program that if the elk are
[2:50:17] coming into your haast stack they will
bring you a
[2:50:21] fence um a chain link fence but you put
it up and you can claim damages to the
[2:50:28] federal or provincial government but
county has no programs that I'm aware of
[2:50:37] out there and yeah any damage that they
do you can actually file
[2:50:44] claims so
[2:50:52] I have one of the biggest herds and I
got pictures of it of a heard of over
[2:50:57] 200 on my
property there is
[2:51:01] no sure I wish there was ways to collect
for fense damage and that but the deer
[2:51:06] do it the snow does it and that you can
try to go through fish and wildlife but
[2:51:13] for County it's not our responsibility I
wish it was I mean I'd file right
[2:51:17] tomorrow but it's not
it's fish and wildlife it's not a county
[2:51:22] thing because if we look at Elk then
we've got to look at deer anal all the
[2:51:26] way right down to a
gopher you know it's we got to draw the
[2:51:31] line I wish there was but I got pictures
of the herd of 200 the hunter said there
[2:51:37] was 214 head in that
[2:51:42] herd there yeah well you brought it up
that's that's your answer okay
[2:51:50] BL yeah same as Keith said I was at the
ASB conference and yeah there was uh
[2:51:55] really good speakers there and enjoyed
them all talking about the various
[2:51:58] topics um also had a library meeting on
the 23rd of
[2:52:03] January and also happy to report that
Iran Resource Center had a party for
[2:52:09] their first anniversary and they had
about 60 70 people there had cake and
[2:52:13] stuff and and was very well attended and
everybody seems to be really happy with
[2:52:17] the facility they're
gaining their the staff is doing an
[2:52:21] excellent job with some of their
programming with the kids and stuff and
[2:52:24] and uh you know gaining new memberships
all the time so things are proceeding
[2:52:29] quite well in that uh
building
[2:52:34] Richard uh Friday January 17th I
attended the Foothills little bll
[2:52:39] meeting in leftridge um passed some um
resolutions um one that didn't go
[2:52:47] through was uh one of the
municipalities suggested that we only
[2:52:52] have a meeting once a year in Edmonton
and uh oh sorry RMA meeting in Edmonton
[2:52:58] yes and um uh have the other one by Zoom
but most of us struggle with zoom as far
[2:53:06] as the clarity so anyway that didn't go
through and then um attended a Community
[2:53:12] Foundation entore meeting on the
22nd 23rd I did a zoom meeting with milk
[2:53:20] River Watershed Council just CU roads
were crapping what it's a tough way to
[2:53:25] participate in a meeting so um I I try
not to do that but sometimes that 2hour
[2:53:31] drive down another two hours back is
just a it's a tough one with weather on
[2:53:36] uh Friday January 24th I represented
Cyprus County at the college Mr and Mrs
[2:53:42] Yu made a $5 million donation to the
college this money will be used to see
[2:53:48] and enhance capacity and programming for
Health Care students it was suggested
[2:53:55] there would be uh could be an initial
200 seats in high demand healthc care
[2:54:01] programs so the county was invited to
participate and Dan was on holidays so I
[2:54:07] uh filled in for
him on Sunday in the afternoon I was a
[2:54:13] judge at the S persons um Community Hall
um 4 club and I like going to those I I
[2:54:22] I wear my name tag and cuz not everybody
knows you and I get to talk to a lot of
[2:54:27] rars and there was a lot of positive
stuff you know the odd question about a
[2:54:33] road maybe or a procedure but uh it's
it's a it's a good it's just another way
[2:54:40] of getting out into the community and
and talking to some people that normally
[2:54:44] wouldn't phone you and or send you an
email so um
[2:54:48] yeah that's it thank
you
[2:54:54] Michelle the last council meeting was on
January 14th
[2:54:58] right okay then I had a short grass
meeting on the
[2:55:03] 15th and I haven't been to one of those
because it's been conflicting with other
[2:55:07] meetings for quite some time so we we
had nominated a new board well it's the
[2:55:13] same board but you know did all the
nominations and everything at that one
[2:55:17] then on the 16th I had a Cypress View
meeting on the 17th went to Lethbridge
[2:55:23] for Foothills little blow bow and it was
a very long painful drive cuz it was
[2:55:29] really ugly outside but we made it and
then I got to spend the week in a cabin
[2:55:33] in a hot tub it was lovely and since
then oh on Friday I did a virtual
[2:55:38] meeting with fcss AA which was supposed
to be in person but apparently it snowed
[2:55:44] somewhere else in the province and we
couldn't have it in person we had to do
[2:55:48] it virtually so I did that and yeah that
was
[2:55:55] it mine was uh for meetings was pretty
slow just uh the library meeting I was
[2:56:03] just going to say that uh they
have
[2:56:08] 153 memberships in uh last year before
it opened they only had
[2:56:15] 37 so it's really growing and there and
they really are doing a fantastic job
[2:56:21] it's great so I went to the uh elat
Community Association meeting on
[2:56:27] Sunday and uh learned that from
Dylan that the uh fire smart program for
[2:56:36] the um fire guards is uh no not going
ahead no they were doing
[2:56:46] 35 hectares
the company that was doing
[2:56:51] it uh whether they didn't know what El
quar was like during the winter or not
[2:56:56] pulled out they only did six hectares
and uh said they couldn't handle the
[2:57:04] weather so they have left they canceled
the contract walked away from it so what
[2:57:10] they did with the money they were able
to get it
[2:57:14] transferred so uh there's a company
different company that's doing a fires
[2:57:20] smart program in the
townsite and they got 37 days to cut
[2:57:25] trees down so apparently when they've
done their trees they're going to extend
[2:57:31] the um sprinkler line and try and get it
over because right now the sprinkler
[2:57:37] just covers pretty well all the Seventh
Avenue in the trees there and so there's
[2:57:42] nothing to the West like for fire rock
or uh that area in there the group camps
[2:57:49] so my understanding is they're going to
try and uh do that area and then put
[2:57:54] another sprinkler system in depending on
the budget
[2:57:59] so and that's uh pretty all that's
what's
[2:58:06] new
Shane oh had uh went to the egg Service
[2:58:13] Board convention like bla and Keith said
we had some really good speakers L this
[2:58:17] year
I attended the Royal crime watch meeting
[2:58:22] the other night and I really
wish her fellow counselor uh Richard
[2:58:28] Oster would have been there because
there was a really good
[2:58:31] presentation on how seniors are being
taken advantage of on scams both on by
[2:58:37] phone and by
internet and I feel he would have really
[2:58:42] got a benefit from that because it is
becoming a
[2:58:45] really big issue and I thought about you
sir and not I wish you would have been
[2:58:52] there also at the meeting our fire
chief did a very good very good
[2:58:59] presentation to
everybody and he presented uh an award
[2:59:05] to past counselor and past firman uh
Gary Lance for his years of contribution
[2:59:11] to the fire department because he was
one of the originals that there and did
[2:59:17] gave him a nice back and he was
very surprised at it and he was very
[2:59:23] appreciative also uh the Royal crime
watch now wereare include County of new
[2:59:29] and 40 mile in
Cyprus and we had a presentation from
[2:59:34] RCMP out of bizo out of Brooks out of Bo
Island and out of Madison hat all four
[2:59:40] detachments were there and did a
presentation and so was quite
[2:59:47] good also I attended it was nice to see
I want to
[2:59:51] give it's nice to see some of our
old oh what to say ranchers pure bread
[3:00:00] breeders bla there he had
a there used to be a lot of perer bed
[3:00:05] breeders in our area of Herford cattle
now we're only down to two it's nice to
[3:00:10] see that bla is continuing on that rep
there and had an excellent sale where
[3:00:15] cattle sold from to all over Western can
in the states and it was nice to see
[3:00:21] certain businesses prosper in our County
that it would become dying because that
[3:00:26] I counted one day when I was doing
shorts I think there was nine or 10 peer
[3:00:29] bed readers now we're down to two you
know I was dwindled but you had a good
[3:00:34] one there bla sir keep up the good work
and uh few phone calls about roads and
[3:00:42] one about what is our greater do in
driving around when it's all ice on the
[3:00:46] roads and I said I'll talk to publica
Works about
[3:00:49] that and no that was about
it any questions on the
[3:00:57] reports sh that's not a question on the
report but I did forget to add something
[3:01:03] I attended the state of the city address
with Mr Hogan one day Shane was supposed
[3:01:08] to be there but he didn't come for some
reason and yeah it was good I thought
[3:01:14] actually it was pretty short notice when
Richard phoned me and I kind kind of
[3:01:18] figured that I was going to be have his
name tag and I was going to be Richard
[3:01:21] Oster for the day but our lovely
leslianne was on it and I had my own
[3:01:25] name
[3:01:38] tag okay any questions on the reports go
with
[3:01:43] senior little bit you don't remember
though
[3:01:50] Richard's moving the
[3:01:53] reports I think so
[3:02:01] vote it's carried okay we'll take a
two-minute break and then we will or do
[3:02:07] you want to go in camera first last or
we'll go in as soon as we come back take
[3:02:12] a