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You're watching the meeting of the dallas city council with mayor eric l johnson,
Mayor pro tem jesse moreno,

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deputy mayor pro tem gay donnell willis council members chad west,
Zarin d gracey max johnson,

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jaime resendez, laura cadena, adam bazaldua,
Lori blair, paula blackmon, kathy stewart, william roth,

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cara mendelsohn, paul e ridley, city manager kimberly bizor tolbert,
City secretary billy ray johnson,

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and city attorney tammy palomino. Good

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morning. We have a quorum. Today is wednesday,
December 10th, 2025 times 9:19 a.m.

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and I now call this meeting of the dallas city council to order. Welcome to our last
Meeting of the year,

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the annual ugly sweater meeting. And I'm trying to gauge whether or not the participation
Level this year is at the.

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it's just not it's. Yeah. It's okay, it's okay.

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rackham came with it. All right. We'll get into that later.

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all right, so today's invocation, speaker, I believe,
Is our colleague maxie johnson, who represents district four.

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he also happens to be a pastor. Everyone. He's the pastor of the new morning star
Missionary baptist church in west dallas.

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and I'm going to turn it over to chairman pastor council member maxie johnson for our
Invocations.

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and then we'll have our pledge of allegiance to the united states flag first,
And then the state of texas flag.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. Can we all stand, please?

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let's bow our heads. Father in heaven, we thank you this morning for all that you've done
For us.

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we thank you for our life, our health, and our strength. God,
We thank you because someone laid down that didn't wake up this morning, but you bless us

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to see another year that wasn't promised to us. God, we ask today that you bless our council.

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we ask that you bless our mayor continue to anoint us to do your work and your will.

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god, we ask that you bless our community, bless our city,
Guide us and direct us.

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god, if there's ever a time we needed you, lord,
We sure do need you now. See so much going on in our world and god, you're the only one that can save us.

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so we call on you this morning, ask you to guide us,
Protect us, be our jehovah jireh, the lord that provides for us.

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god, we ask that you continue to bless our children in this holiday season. God,
We say thank you.

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we may not have all that we desire to have, but god,
You bless us with the things that we need to have.

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and so we thank you for family. We thank you for our faith. We thank you for friendship. God, we ask that you continue to hover over us,
Protect us, lead us god,

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and keep us connected to your word because we know it's your word that corrects us,
But it's your word also that connects us to you.

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so god, we say thank you today. We praise you before you do anything else.

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we praise you because your credit is good with us. And if you don't do anything else, god, your credit is wonderful with us.

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we thank you. We praise you before the fact because you are never you can never fail.

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you've been so good to us, god. You've been better to us than we've been to ourselves. So
This morning we say thank you.

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we bless you and we give you praise. Now, god,
Continue to anoint us. Continue to let us do your work. Continue to speak through us,
God, and we praise you.

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we don't wait till the battle is over, but we shout now. We give victory now, and we praise you in advance because we know that you are guiding us.

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we know that you are protecting us, god, and we know that you are leading us in this path.

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anoint us again, god, to do your work. It's not about us. It's about the assignment that you've given us.

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and we say thank you. And we give you glory and we give you praise. Because without you, god, we could do nothing.

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we're like a ship without a sail. So, god, as we end this prayer,
We say, father, we stretch our hands to thee.

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no other help that we know. If thou withdraw thyself from me,
Where shall we go?

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so we need you, and we call on you. It's in your son. We pray in the name of the father. Amen and amen.

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amen. Everyone, let's do our pledge of allegiance. This webinar is being transcribed and summarized.

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thank you. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america,
And to the republic for which it stands.

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one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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honor the texas flag. I pledge allegiance to thee,
Texas. One state under god, one and indivisible. Thank you everyone.

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you may be seated. Pastor, you can make your way back to your seat.

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I'm sorry. There's not an organ here for us to play while you head back.

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alright. I think we have a few announcements this morning. And first I'm going to
Recognize our deputy mayor pro tem. Gay donnell willis for a recognition.

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thank you so much. Good morning, mayor and colleagues. Today we honor the life and legacy of pedro aguirre junior,
A dedicated public servant, a nationally respected architect,

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and a longtime resident of district 13. Mr. Aguirre lived for 40 years on millennial lane,

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where he was known as a kind neighbor, a mentor and a man committed to service.

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a us army captain, he brought the same integrity and discipline to his civic life.

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in 1973, he became one of the first mexican americans elected to the dallas city council,
Helping open doors for future generations.

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he also served on the commission of mexican american affairs,
And worked throughout his life to break barriers and create opportunity.

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professionally, he built an influential architecture architectural practice and was
Recognized as a fellow of the american institute of architects.

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a fulbright scholar and an appointee to state and national boards.

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above all, mr. Aguirre is remembered for his humility,
His generosity, and his can do spirit.

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dallas is better because he was part of it and to his family and friends,
Thank you for sharing him with our city.

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it is my honor to recognize him today and today we have rose fletcher,
The daughter, and john fletcher,

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her husband, lisa roden, daughter and gary roden,
Husband.

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and peter aguirre is here at the mic. He is a son and his wife ernestina is here and I
Understand we might even have some grandchildren,

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celine and carson here today. So mr. Aguirre was going to make a quick remark.

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go ahead please. Thank you for being here, peter aguirre. Mr. Mayor, council members, I very much appreciate this.

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I want to especially thank former councilwoman jennifer gates and you,
Council willis

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council lady willis. And I don't know how much how many of y'all got to know my dad,
But he loved this

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country having the ability to be born here. His parents,
All my grandparents were from mexico,

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and he always told me how wonderful it was being born here in the states.

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he loved this state. He loved this city. And he used to always tell me,
He said, peter.

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being a citizen is not a spectator sport. You can't complain if you don't participate.

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he very much enjoyed his time on the council. He very much enjoyed his time on the airport board.

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and to all of you, I would like to thank you for your service as well.

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and thank you for this recognition on behalf of my family,
My sister lisa, my sister rose.

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thank you very much and merry christmas. Thank you so much for being

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here. And you can be seated unless you wanted to do anything. Do you have any other announcements? Okay. I'm going to turn it over to our city manager
Now for another announcement.

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thank you so very much. Good morning, mr. Mayor. And city council,
Today is it's a time for us to acknowledge strong neighborhoods and the work that we have

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been engaged with, the east valley neighborhood association.

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will you all please stand this morning? Thank you so very much. This is work that we began
On the direction and leadership of our very own council member,

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zarin d gracey. Our city thrives when neighbors are engaged,
When they're informed, and when they work with us.

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community involvement, we know, is a powerful driver of meaningful improvements,
And this collaboration truly shows exactly what makes dallas extraordinary.

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on september the 19th, 2025, council member gracey gracey conducted a field tour of the
East valley estates neighborhood in district

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three. It included community representatives and city staff being led under the direction
Of one of our assistant city managers leads

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our city engineers sophia harvey and dallas water utilities assistant director eduardo
Valerio.

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together, they were able to identify and review priorities and areas of concern for this
Community.

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the key focus areas included pavement conditions in the various streets and alleys in the
Area.

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excuse me. Drainage creek erosion along five mile creek and overall intersection.

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safety. The transportation. The public works department committed to looking at all the
Concerns that were identified and developing a list

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of projects looking at funding needs, along with the map showing all of the different
Project locations.

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our dwu team reinspected and reassessed all of their flood protection,
Storm drainage and erosion control projects in the area and in the

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2024 bond program. We know that there are seven key projects that are being funded in the
Keys valley area alley reconstruction,

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street reconstruction, street resurfacing, erosion control.

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these projects, just in this community alone,
Total 4.5 million in 2024 bond allocations.

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and so we know that our efforts have continued in working with council member,
Gracey and this community to ensure that the list of those concerns are also included in

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future bond considerations. We will be completing the maintenance along the five mile
Creek,

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including the removal of debris, vegetation and other obstructions.

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these efforts are possible in part because committed residents like yourselves stepped
Forward,

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worked alongside of our staff and made sure that we were not talking past each other,
But that we were working together.

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so please join me in recognizing the neighbors,
Our true neighbors and ambassadors for dallas,

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the he's valley estates neighborhood association.

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chairman gracey. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I want to just take a moment.

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and a lot of times when we do these recognitions,
We we we oftentimes sometimes people think it's about,

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look at what I'm doing in my district. But this is not that case. This is look at what they're doing in our district.

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and what I mean by that is each and every one of them are not just engaged.

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each and every one of them don't just send emails and complaints,
But they all work.

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starting from my left, you have michael jackson,
Who serves on our civil service board.

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you have miss porsha greer, who served on our bond program task force,
And you have miss always.

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anitra got it. I was going to say anita. Anitra,
Who is the new president of the of the neighborhood.

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and then, of course, mr. Fisher, who is also part of our. He's on our senior task force that we meet monthly managing our dogs.

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and just a quick story about keith's valley. Talk about the evolution. When I was campaigning, I was kindly escorted out of that neighborhood by a couple of
Loose dogs.

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so they walked me back to my car. But since then,
We've been addressing all of that.

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and I just want to take the time to say thank you for how you all serve. Thank you. How you engage with the city. And this is one of those examples.

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when you lose faith sometimes in local government,
You lose trust in your elected officials,

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whatever the case may be, they never stopped working. And I am so honored to recognize you this morning.

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thank you for how you served. Can you bring that whole picture?

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yeah, yeah. Come on down for a picture. Come on down for a photograph. And and we're going
To do a photograph with the the family of the aguirre family as well.

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so if y'all would queue up and we'll do two group photos with the council.

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yes. Separate two separate photographs is what I'm trying to say.

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we're not that pressed for time. Yeah. Now I'm this.

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I'm sitting at the very center. So if you want to arrange yourselves here first and fan
Out from there,

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makes for a nicer photo. I'm not quite so good,

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but you can do that too.

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you're welcome.

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believe me. Oh! You goddamn dog show escorted me the hell out of that neighborhood.

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I was just walking. They ain't growled. They didn't. Okay, we're ready to turn it over to the city secretary for our open microphone speakers.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Good morning. The dallas city council will now hear his first five registered speakers.

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I'll recite the speaker guidelines. Speakers must observe the same rules of propriety,
Decorum and good conduct applicable to members of the city council.

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any speaker making personal and pertinent, profane or slanderous remarks,
Or who becomes boisterous while addressing the city council,

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will be removed from the room. For those individuals who are in person for those virtual
Speakers,

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you will be removed from the session. Individuals are given three minutes to speak.

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you'll notice the time for those in-person speakers. You'll notice the time on the monitor
At the podium when your time is up.

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please stop for those virtual speakers, I will announce when your time has expired.

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also, speakers, please be mindful that during your public comments,
You are not allowed to refer to a city council member by name and address your comments to

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mayor johnson only. Your first speaker is the honorable casey thomas.

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the second.

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good morning. Mayor johnson, former colleagues and new members of the dallas city council.

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today is a day that I never thought would come in my lifetime. You would take a vote to end the racial equity policy for the city of dallas and move in a
New direction,

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a policy that was a model not just for dallas,
Not just for texas, but for the entire country.

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not because of the enemy from within, but because of outside forces who want to control
How we do things in dallas.

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many of you who sit at the horseshoe today sat there only a few years ago when we not only
Passed the racial equity policy,

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but passed the racial equity a resolution that would set this city on a course that would
Cause us to no longer be the most inequitable city in the country,

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but to begin to implement policies that will make dallas a city that will level the
Playing field for people who live south of the trinity.

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this is personal for me and many others who could not be here today.

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while my sister was laying on a ventilator taking her last few breaths from covid,
I was speaking at a predominantly white church in north dallas about how this policy will

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make it possible for their members to no longer have to carry the financial burden of this
City.

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thank you, doctor george mason, for courageously leading your congregation to see the
Value of dallas being a more equitable city.

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there are many people who could not be here who stand with me today as I speak.

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thank you to former council member janey schultz,
Who took the torch from me and led us through the challenging process of bringing the

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racial equity plan across the finish line. Today you will take a vote that will be more
Than just a vote.

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it will be a statement. It will speak to what the values of this city are now and will be
In the near future.

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the question is and will be, what did you say and what did you do on the record?

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because your voting record will be all that matters. Vote your conscience. The policy may no longer say racial equity,
But I challenge you each to continue the work for equitable city and equitable

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policies. I will be watching, and so will the residents of the city of dallas.

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thank you for your time. Thank you. Andrea sanders.

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yes. Okay, good. Good morning, mr. Mayor. Honorable council members.

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merry christmas, happy hanukkah, blessed kwanzaa.

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I stand here today for the last time before you this year to speak of 2929 southampton.

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those dreaded words. The most dreaded address. I want you to know that I appreciate that you have been as stressed out about this
Development as my community has.

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we have fought a long, arduous fight for four years and now it's at a conclusion.

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I cross my fingers as to what that conclusion might be.

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I am asking you today, and this will probably be your last request from my community about
This.

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I'm asking you to approve one specific development.

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oak cliff is widely recognized as the most demographically beautiful community in dallas,
But it is unfortunately a community that has been

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disregarded, disrespected, dismissed, unrecognized for many,
Many years.

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and I am asking you to vote today for a project that will go a long way toward rectifying
That situation,

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that long term situation. And we'll take one small step toward remedying

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the relationship between my community and this council.

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I'm not here as a representative of the community. I'm here as a member of the community. We have a representative.

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we have, in fact, several representatives for southern dallas.

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but please know that the words I'm about to say,
My community, stands beside me and behind me in support.

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29. 29. Southampton was put up for sale and that bid process has now closed.

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and it is in your hands to make a selection. I am asking you to select the project that
Was proposed by monty

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anderson, a well known local developer who grew up in oak cliff. He proposes to bring quality housing for sale to our community.

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that's something that seldom happens, and you can rectify that.

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you can remedy the relationship between yourselves and our community,
And you can open the gateway to oak cliff.

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with that, I say thank you for your time. Thank you for the diligence and the effort that
You spent in working through this project and these proposals with us.

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and I wish you all a happy holiday. Thank you. Thank you. Michael simmons has canceled. Nancy carson has canceled sharon shepard.

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sharon shepard, it's not present. Robert wyland or

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robert wyland. Robert whelan, it's not present.

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deborah moore. Thank you. You may come forward.

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and you can have a seat right in that chair right in front of you,
You can have a seat there and just turn on the microphone and speak.

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okay. Okay. Good morning everybody.

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good morning everybody. There's a button at the base of that microphone.

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yes, ma'am. Can you hear me now? Yes. Good morning everybody.

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my name is deborah moore, and I'm 71 years old.

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and they have so much stuff going on in west dallas.

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and sometime I reported to the code people. It's a property called 3221 puget.

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puget street, dallas, texas. People hang out across the street doing everything.

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all kind of things, you know, and trashing it. I got some pictures. So I reported to the old lady and she said,
Well, I can't say nothing to those people.

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they might hurt me. But the police used to stop them from being over there.

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but now they're all coming back. They come in the evening and stay sometime at 10:00 at
Night.

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you know what they doing? I can't risk my life telling what they doing.

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but you know what they doing. They're not doing nothing legally. They doing illegal. So I come here today because that property been vacant for over 20
Years and the owner is

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deceased. So that's one problem I have. And I have so many problems,
But I need to find out what can they do about people obstructing

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the sidewalk? The kids get out of school. They can't walk on the sidewalk.

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they have to walk in the street and then cross over. We have a lot of spanish kids come and and black kids be trying to come home from school,
And it's not right.

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and people be pushing their babies and they have to endure our seeing all the drug
Activity and prostitution and all kind of things.

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and we do need something for for homeless people. We need something put up for west dallas, for homeless people everywhere.

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they just lay everywhere. They don't care where they lay. My heart go out to them. And I just want to know,
You know, the city is building all these parks and we need to build something for the

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homeless people. They need somewhere to go. They need most of them,
Probably on drugs, need treatment.

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so we need to find try to find out about do something about that.

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and then cold. This lady, she a cold and ain't cockle.

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she bothering me. And I have a building. And I done boarded up,
So can't nobody get in the building.

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can't nobody do nothing with the building. I'd like to see if I can.

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I had one buyer that wanted to buy it, but he said,
I can't buy this. Look at all that traffic. You know, drugs and trash.

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that's trash. Like they didn't dump trash out. So he said, I can't buy this. And so I had another guy.

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so the problem is, how can you sell something when the cold people won't cold these people
For laying all over the sidewalk?

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or they got their ice chests? I mean, it's a blanket doing everything.

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anyway, that's all I wanted to say. I just need support to check on 32,
21 puget.

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that's where they hang at. Thank you. Okay. Thank you all.

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thank you. I had a hard time, but I wasn't going to miss it.

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thank you. Your next speaker will be peter brodsky.

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yeah. Can you help me? Yeah. Of course. Oh, good.

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oh, good morning, mr. Mayor. City council, I first want to apologize for my grossly
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I was unaware of the dress code today. I hope you'll forgive me.

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I'm speaking today to urge you not to defer item 13,
Which is the potential $10 million grant to housing forward so that we can continue

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our efforts to address unsheltered street homelessness in our city.

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just to be clear on on what the strategy we're implementing is we have partnered very
Effectively with the city.

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I want to thank city manager tolbert for her partnership and the entire the entire staff.

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we've partnered with the with dpd as well to enforce a no sleeping ban downtown.

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and very importantly, our job, together with the entire continuum of care,
Many of whom are represented here today is to keep the beds at the

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shelters turning so that there is always a bed available for for someone who's on the
Street to be brought to

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what we do where where the exit pathway is for each individual at the at the shelters
Where we're turning the beds really depends on

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their condition. We bring in behavioral health,
We bring in drug treatment.

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sometimes they end up in a behavioral health facility. Sometimes they're ready for transitional housing.

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sometimes they're ready for permanent housing. In all cases, they are case managed and surrounded with services.

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and we have an over 90% rate of people still being off the street one year later.

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so it's very successful. I know there are members of the city council that have questioned
Our data.

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but the fact is that since we've been implementing this strategy,
Our unsheltered homeless population has declined by 28%,

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and we believe it's continuing to decline in the next month.

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if this item is deferred, 700 new people will fall into homelessness.

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and if we are unable to receive this funding and continue with this strategy people will
Spill out onto the street.

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we are under a timeline with fifa. We're trying to make our city show the best side of our
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this is a critical strategy for that. And fifa is approaching very,
Very quickly.

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we also have issues downtown that we're trying to to deal with. And the only thing that is accomplished by deferring this item is waiting another month.

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so on behalf of the board of housing forward I would urge you to not to to vote,
To overrule the deferral

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and then vote to approve it. I thank you very much for your time.

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thank you. David woody the third.

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good morning, mayor johnson, city manager tolbert. Good to see you and members of the dallas city council.

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I'm david woody, the third president and ceo of the bridge homeless recovery center here
In dallas.

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I had come this morning prepared to inspire your support for what was to be agenda item
13,

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in the approval of funds for phase two of the street to home initiative,
Also known as safe in the city.

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but I've been made to understand that this item may not be engaged,
So let me offer some critical thinking in regard to the need for this funding to more

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keenly focus our continuum of care lead agency on increasing within our community the
Number of exit pathways for the unhoused,

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which include guests recovering from homelessness at the bridge homeless recovery center.

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employees of the bridge engaged some 6778 guests for day shelter services during fiscal
Year 2025.

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the goal of maintaining a suite of day shelter services at the bridge creates the
Opportunity to establish a karen housing plan,

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an exit strategy from homelessness with each guest.

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the resulted. This resulted in our single diversion specialist diverting some 200
Individuals from the homeless response system in the past year,

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and our employees transitioning another 720 guests from the bridge to a home of their own.

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95% of which our data reflects, remain in their home 12 months after placement.

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please know that the bridge maintains a minimum of 100 guests down the road on their
Homeless recovery pilgrimage.

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living in our transitional shelter who are housing ready as a result of their accessing
Services,

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finding employment and or acquiring benefits,
The bridge care managers are assisting these guests with finding a housing solution,

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an exit pathway they can sustain. Continued funding from the city of dallas to housing
Forward would translate into creating additional

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shelter exit pathways. Finally, the bridge continues to respond to those involved in the
Homeless outreach through safe in the city initiative,

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resulting in some 300 new guest intakes during the month of october that we can transition
More guests more quickly from the bridge

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campus through exit pathways. Funding allows expected outcomes of the safe in the city
Initiative to come true.

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so please continue to ask questions and assist the bridges. Focus on building and sustaining the collaborative relationships necessary to further
Strengthen the dallas homeless homeless response system.

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happy holidays and thank you. Thank you. This concludes the city's first five registered
Speakers.

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the remaining speakers will have an opportunity opportunity to address the city council at
The conclusion of its city business.

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this is your speakers, mr. Mayor. Okay, then we'll move on to our voting agenda.

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it's a big one. Thank you, mr. Mayor. The first item on the agenda is approval of minutes
On the of the november 12th,

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2025 city council meeting. Second, I heard a motion and a second.

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is there any discussion? Seeing none. All in favor,
Say aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it. Next item. Mayor that. Miss that.

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miss anything? I'm saying that. Do something. No. For what purpose? I move to suspend city council rules of procedure,
Section 7.11 a to allow consideration of agenda.

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item number 13. Second. Okay. It's been moved and seconded.

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I just want to make sure I know where we are in the agenda and what we're doing here. So we're about to take up, I guess, a vote, mr.

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mayor, on that suspension of the rules. But yeah,
We just finished the minutes and we were going to take up the consent agenda.

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so is this the time? Is this is this the appropriate time for something like that? I want to make sure I believe it is. It would.

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unsuspend item 13. Okay. Is there any discussion on this?

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there is none. Okay, then, madam secretary, we'll have a vote on this.

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I suppose we first see if we can do it by voice vote. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Nay.

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all right, madam secretary. Go ahead. Call the roll. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor. When I call your name,

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please state yes if you're in favor. No. If you oppose council member west.

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yes. Council member. Gracey. Yes. Councilmember. Johnson. Yes. Councilmember. Resendez. Yes. Councilmember.

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kadina. Yes. Councilmember. Bazaldua. Yes. Councilmember.

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blair. Yes. Councilmember. Blackmon. Yes. Councilmember.

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stewart. Yes. Councilmember. Roth. No. Councilmember.

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mendelsohn. No. Councilmember. Ridley. No. Deputy mayor pro tem.

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willis. Yes. Mayor pro tem moreno. No. Mayor.

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johnson. No. With ten voting in favor, five opposed.

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that motion passes, mr. Mayor. All right, so it's back on the agenda now,
And we'll take up.

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we'll let you continue, madam secretary. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor, before we move to your consent agenda,
You do have two individuals who have signed up to speak on two of your consent agenda

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items. Your first speaker will be lisa. New miss new will be speaking on consent agenda
Item 17.

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thank you. Good morning. Thank you, mayor johnson and members of council. My name is lisa new, and I have the honor of serving as the ceo of dallas su.

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I want to thank you for your support for this morning's agenda item to approve our
Development agreement for the safari trails and other needed approved

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improvements that were part of the 2024 bond program.

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we're grateful for the voters, the park board and staff,
Our donors, and to each of you for helping us get this first major milestone for the

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safari trails project moving forward. So thank you.

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thank you. Your next speaker, mary paris. Mary paris.

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it's not present. Okay, so those were your speakers prior to the consent agenda.

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we will now move to your consent agenda. I have a procedural point of order. Yeah. Go ahead. State your point of order. Our normal procedure is to alert the secretary
If we'd like to pull something off.

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consent. And so, for the items that I asked to be removed from consent today,
I also specified the item that I had deferred knowing that

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this vote would occur. And so I'm wondering if that item is now for individual
Consideration or if it's still considered to be part of consent.

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good question. I'll let the secretary addressed that.

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it is documented on email that I requested this,
And now the attorney can confirm, but I believe it's placed back on

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the consent. Please. I'll defer to the city secretary,
But

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there could be a motion to divide the question as well. I move to divide the question for individual consideration of that agenda item,
Please.

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13. Thank you. Has it been seconded? Second. It was seconded by chairman ridley.

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okay. It's not a debatable motion. So we'll have another vote on the motion to divide the
Question. All in favor, say aye. Aye,

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aye. Any opposed? Let's have a roll call. Can't tell.

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mayor, can I ask a procedural question? I'm not quite fully appreciating what the process
Is.

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we're just doing. So can someone please break it down to me. Yes, ma'am. I'll have the city attorney explain to you what a motion to divide the
Question in this case would accomplish.

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but it's just so you know, it's to answer. Your parliamentary inquiry is what that is.

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and then we'll proceed to have the vote that we're about to have on the motion to divide,
Which is not debatable.

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thank you for the question. It is your custom to pull items prior to the council meeting.

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but because this item was deferred the city secretary did not pull it.

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and so now the opportunity to separate it from the consent would be through a motion to
Divide the question.

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this can stand on its own. And so it's divisible from the consent.

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thank you for the explanation. Okay, madam secretary,
Go ahead and call the roll.

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thank you. This is on the motion to divide the question. Thank you, mr. Mayor. When I call your name,
Please state yes if you're in favor. No. If you're opposed. Council member west. Yes.

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council member gracey. No. Council member. Johnson.

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yes. Council member. Resendez. Yes. Council member.

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yes. Council member. Bazaldua. No. Council member. Blair. Yes. Council member. Blackmon. No. Council member.

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stewart. Yes. Council member. Roth. Yes. Council member.

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mendelsohn. Yes. Council member. Ridley. Yes.

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mayor pro tem. Willis. Yes. Mayor pro tem. I'm sorry.

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deputy mayor. Pro tem willis. Mayor pro tem moreno. Yes. Mayor. Johnson. Yes. With 12 voting in favor,
Three opposed.

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the motion passes, mr. Mayor. Okay, you can continue,
Madam secretary.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. We will now move to your consent agenda.

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your consent agenda consisted of items two through 74.

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agenda item nine was corrected. Agenda item 13 has been removed from the consent agenda.

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agenda item 14 has been pulled by council member mendelsohn and was corrected.

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agenda item 18 is deleted. Agenda item 23 is deleted.

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agenda item 43 was corrected. Agenda item 48 was corrected and has been pulled by council
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council member ridley and council member mendelsohn. Agenda item 54 has been pulled by council member west.

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agenda item 57 has been pulled by council member mendelsohn and agenda item 73 and 74.

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is being pulled as it. Item 73 and 74 must be considered before agenda items 14,
57 and one.

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therefore, your consent agenda consists of items two through 12,
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49 through 53, 55, 56, 58, through seven, through

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72. This is your consent agenda, mr. Mayor. I heard a motion for approval.

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was there a second? It's been seconded. Any discussion? Chairman west,
You recognized for five minutes on the consent agenda. Thank you. Mayor. I just want to

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highlight a couple of of great items that are on the consent agenda.

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appreciate personnel from the zoo coming this morning. I'm very excited, personally, as a family who goes to the zoo regularly?

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that the zoo item is on for number 17. The safari trail is a major new attraction that's
Going to be funded through this,

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and will activate several additional acres of campus that are currently underutilized.

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I want to congratulate the zoo on their massive fundraise that is going to be partnering
Up with the city's contribution here to get this done.

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secondly, item number 20 is a $700,000 contract to kick off the architectural and
Engineering services for design of the martin

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weiss recreation center. From my colleagues who sat through the bond discussions with us,
This was a number one priority for most people in my district.

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it is an item that has been neglected. This rec center for decades,
And our west oak cliff neighbors are very eager to see this move forward.

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it's a beloved neighborhood treasure for kids,
Seniors, and everyone in between.

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and then lastly, I just want to point out the historic preservation tax exemption
Extension of the sunset date.

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this is item 26. It's an important tool to help with historic preservation in our city.

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as a representative of one of the oldest parts of dallas and many of our most cherished
Historic and conservation districts,

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this is an important tool to incentivize investment and rehabilitation of historic
Properties.

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this item, coupled with parking reform, which we passed earlier this year for historic
Buildings,

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will help our city preserve our most important neighborhoods. Thank you, miss cadena. You're recognized for five minutes on consent.

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yes. I want to highlight agenda item number 29. Dallas animal services has been formally recognized for its significant progress in key
Operational areas that directly support healthier outcomes for pets and improve

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service to the community through increased adoptions,
Expanded spay and neuter initiatives,

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strengthened trap-neuter-return programs, and enhanced microchipping efforts.

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dos has demonstrated measurable success it crosses core life saving strategies.

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in acknowledgment of this work, doss has been awarded a $75,000 grant from the petco love
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which can be used toward any life saving purpose that further advances the department's
Mission.

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while we recognize that there is still much work ahead for doss,
It is equally important to highlight and celebrate the accomplishments of our dallas of

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our animal services department. Their commitment to continuous improvement,
Proactive problem solving,

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and creative resource development has allowed them to build new partnerships and secure
Additional support for the people and pets of dallas.

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this award is a direct reflection of the dedication and perseverance of doss staff.

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at every level, their efforts continue to move the needle on critical animal welfare
Outcomes,

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while reinforcing the mission to protect both pets and people. This recognition of the hard work not only affirms the progress made,
But also strengthens their momentum in delivering safe,

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compassionate, and effective services for our community. And I also want to highlight item number 34. This agreement delivers a major expansion at
Love field with 84,200ft² of

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new hangar space and a 17.5 million private investment that strengthens the airport's long
Term capacity.

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sky harbor development will create ten new jobs and increase aviation activity,
Generating additional revenue through fuel sales,

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aircraft maintenance, and high value aviation services.

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aviation strategically used the last dependable parcel at dallas dallas,
Selecting a strong partner through a competitive process to ensure

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high quality modern infrastructure. This project supports the continued excellence and
Sustainability of love field,

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ensuring the airport meets market demand while contributing positively to the city's
Aviation system.

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thank you. Chairman gracey, you're recognized for five minutes.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. I just want to recognize highlight a couple of items. Item number 12 is the hensley field. And I'm excited to see in district three,
We finally got some action going there.

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and I want to thank hud for giving us $1 million grant to assess impact from contaminants
And determine mitigation actions to enable a proposed shoreline.

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so we have some action there. That's going to be a huge asset within the district,
And we're really excited about what's to come over there.

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item number 35 is dallas executive airport. It's a 635,000 or 15 acres,
A square feet of

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undeveloped land that developers will be coming in to begin putting.

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I've been having several meetings with the executive airport in terms of getting some
Economic development out there.

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so this is something that's going to change the landscape out there. And address about 15
Acres over there to continue to bring business and opportunity there at the executive

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airport. So thank you to staff both on the hensley field as well as the dallas executive
Airport aviation team.

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for the work that you've been doing, we appreciate it very much. Thank you. Chairwoman
Mendelsohn, you recognized for five minutes. Thank you.

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I just want to note a very important item. We are accepting the significant artistic gift
By george tobolowsky.

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he is a celebrated dallas born sculptor. His artistic career is rooted in decades of
Contribution to texas's cultural

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landscape. He's got deep family ties to dallas civic,
Philanthropic and business history.

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he's a protege and colleague of noted texas artist james charles at smu,
Which is where tobolowsky earned his master's degree in sculpture

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and his signature approach to sculpture using industrial steel.

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we just had peter brodsky speaking and the old red bird. All those steel beams have become part of george's work.

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he's a recipient of numerous awards and honors,
Including the texas sculpture association,

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national sculpture society, as well as the winner of many juried exhibits across the us
And internationally.

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he's known for transforming these industrial metals into bold and elegant forms.

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he highlights themes of strength, interconnectedness,
And resilience, qualities that mirror the spirit of the fire stations and departments

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and officers. And this sculpture that he's donating,
Which is called always in gear, will become the most

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prominent piece of art in district 12. More than 70,000 people drive by that intersection
Every single day,

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and will both be reminded of the beauty of art,
Of transformation, but also a tribute to our

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always ready, always in gear firefighters. This work of art,
Which I hope when it's installed you will come to view it,

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is incredible. He's actually changed the colors of the sculpture to match the fire
Department,

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and took inspiration from a mosaic that's inside the building.

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there's a new nonprofit that's been set up to help maintain this,
And will be providing additional support for other items in district 12.

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I think the the key item here is that this is an extremely meaningful philanthropic gift.

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the value of it is they're saying 55,000. In addition to that,
Georgia's transporting it.

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and I'm just going to tell you it's very large and heavy. And he's making sure it's set properly. The the meaning of this dallas born artist.

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this will be the very first item that is part of the dallas collection for,
You know, he's older than me and this is our

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first item from him. Born here. Tobolowsky's name's all over.

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civic buildings, religious buildings. We've got judges,
All sorts of items.

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we had a tragic death of his brother that's made headlines for over a decade now.

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so this is such an incredible gift. It just needed a minute for us to recognize what what
He's doing for us.

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and I'm very, very happy. I will note that he asked me if we would like to have this a
Year ago.

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that's how long it takes in the city of dallas to accept a free gift from an
Internationally recognized artist a year,

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and that's just to accept it. We haven't even said it yet. And so when we talk about efficiency, when we talk about how we move at the speed of
Business,

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this is how our speed of business is more than a year. Just to get to acceptance of a free sculpture by an internationally recognized artist.

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thank you, chairwoman stewart. You recognized for five minutes.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. Just on item 16. As chair of parks,
Trails and the environment, I do want to thank ceo lisa new for moving this project,

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the safari trail project forward. It's 2024 bond funds.

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we know our residents have spoken that they'd like to see some additional funds spent at
The zoo,

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and it's my understanding that this project will activate underutilized space and will,
Of course,

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bring in additional revenue. Those are huge wins. So thank you for your work. Thank you, mr. Mayor.

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is mr. Bazaldua here? Okay. Mr. Resendez, we'll go to you for five minutes.

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I just wanted to highlight a couple of items on consent. Item 22. I'm proud to support this item. The kleberg trail is a long awaited investment
That strengthens connectivity in southeast dallas and gives our residents safer,

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healthier ways to move through their community. This project has been years in the making, and I want to thank dallas county,
Our parks and recreation department,

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and all the partners who helped advance it with this construction contract. We're taking a major step toward completing a high quality trail connection from the
Buckner dart station to crawford park,

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bringing new recreation opportunities, improving mobility,
And enhancing quality of life for families in our area.

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I'm excited to see this move forward. Also, I want to highlight item 40.

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this. This is also a long awaited project and much needed traffic signal at old seagoville
Road in north masters drive,

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an intersection that has been the site of serious crashes for years and one that holds
Personal significance for me.

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when I was a student at comstock middle school,
Our school bus was hit by two speeding cars.

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at that intersection. One driver lost his life and several students,
Including my sister,

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were injured. Experiences like that stay with you and remind you how preventable these
These tragedies are when communities lack safe street infrastructure.

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this project is more than just a traffic signal. It's a critical safety upgrade that the community has been asking for and that traffic
Engineers have warranted based on data.

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it's the second of two signals along the master's drive corridor,
Complementing the earlier project and helping create a safer and more complete network for

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families, schools and nearby neighborhoods. I'm also proud to support this item.

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thank you, mr. Bazaldua. You recognized for five minutes.

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thank you. Mayor. I wanted to highlight item 27. It's our exterior improvement grant program. Today.

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we're voting on the district seven exterior improvement grant program for commercial
Properties,

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a major step towards supporting small businesses in our community. This program is designed to enhance commercial properties,
Increase property values, stimulate private investment,

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and uplift the visual and economic landscape of district seven.

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this is the first program approved under the newly created city council. District specific small business program section.

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section 3.2 of the city of dallas. Economic development incentive policy.

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this policy empowers council members to create targeted programs that address the unique
Needs of their district.

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district seven is leading the way, setting a model for how strategic localized investment
Can support small businesses.

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we are dedicating over $790,000 in district seven discretionary funds,
Specifically from 2017 proposition I economic

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development bond funds to support this program. Funding is available for permanent capital improvements,
Including building facade upgrades,

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hardscape and site improvements, streetscape enhancements,
Building envelope, and energy efficiency improvements.

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applications will be available on the office of economic development website beginning
December 15th,

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2025. Lastly, I want to give a big thank you to heather lopez and her team over in the
Office of economic development.

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your leadership and hard work transform an idea into a fully realized program.

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I look forward to seeing this program succeed and hope the full city council expands it
Across the entire city.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor, before you take the final vote on the consent agenda,
Please,

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I would like to make a correction to your consent agenda. I originally announced that I, item 73 and 74 were removed from the consent because of the
Note to comply with the note,

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but it's not necessary. Therefore, items 73 and 74 will remain on your consent agenda.

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I'll. I'll restate your consent agenda. Okay.

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your consent agenda now consists of items two through 12,
15 through 17, 19 through

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22, 24 through 47, 49 through 53, 55,

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56, and 58 through 74. That is your consent agenda.

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all right, members, anyone else want to speak on for or against the consent agenda as it's
Been corrected?

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seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? The ayes have it. Next item. Are we? Yes. We're up.

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we're. The next item will be your first pulled item,
Mr. Mayor. Okay, well, then I'm going to read you all a little statutory language so we can go
Into executive session here.

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so it is 10:16 a.m. On december 10th, 2025, and the city council meeting will now go into
Closed session under section 551 .071 of the texas open meetings

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act. On the following matter described on today's agenda,
Item number 86.

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with that, we'll stand at recess until. Let's call it 1115 1115.

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thank you. There you go. All right. City council meetings completed its closed session
Under section five,

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51.071 of the texas open meetings act. And at 11:17 a.m.

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on december 10th, 2025, we return to open session. Madam secretary, let's proceed with agenda item 86,
If you don't mind.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. Agenda item 86 is a resolution one repealing resolution number
241318,

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adopted on september 11th, 2024. Two adopting a funding agreement for the dallas police
And fire pension system and three authorizing settlement

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of the lawsuit filed. Dallas police and fire pension system. The city of dallas. This is your item, mr. Mayor.

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is there a motion? Motion to approve. I heard a motion and a second.

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okay. Is there any discussion? Seeing none. I'm getting there.

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I'm so sorry, chairwoman. Stewart just a yes or no. I can't. You're. You're out of the queue now. Are you. Are you wanting I left?

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it's not okay there. Well, now my whole computer's down. But you're recognized for five minutes while my computer gets. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor. That's okay. Just a short statement on this.

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this item. When both parties agree to this funding agreement,
It will end years of uncertainty and resolved long standing disputes that have

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weighed heavily on the pension system. The city of dallas,
Dpd, retirees, and even the recruitment and retention in these

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departments. The agreement restores the opportunity for stability of the system by
Creating a predictable and

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stable funding structure. It also protects taxpayers by creating a legally sound and
Sustainable funding model.

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I appreciate the team effort and shared leadership that got us to this point.

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this funding plan represents a balanced plan that protects retirees and acknowledges the
City's fiscal realities.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. Is there anyone else like to speak on for or against agenda item 86
Seeing none.

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all in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No,
I have it.

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note the no. By council member ridley. Thank you,
Mr.

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mayor. Well, now we will now go back to your pulled items,
Beginning with your first pulled item.

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agenda item 13. Agenda item 13. Authorize the one city manager to execute a

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one year contract with housing forward as a sole source. Approved as to form by the city attorney for the coordination of the street to home phase
Two.

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the city of dallas funds will accelerate diversion and rehousing efforts by providing
Financial assistance in the form of rental assistance and paid utilities to persons

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experiencing homelessness. This phase will turn over beds and clear the way for law
Enforcement,

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law enforcement and outreach to bring more people inside to move individuals out of
Shelters and into stable housing,

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through the local continuum of care, and to execution of any and all terms,
Conditions and documents required by the contract not to exceed $10

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million. Mr. Mayor this item. As it was undefeated.

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it had three individuals who did want to sign up to speak on this item.

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two individuals spoke on open mic, so there is one individual that's remaining.

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okay. Okay. Jennifer scripps, you may come forward.

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good morning. Mayor, city council, I'm jennifer scripps,
I'm the president and ceo of downtown dallas inc.

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and this morning, driving to this meeting, I was really taken back to three years ago
During the holiday season when we were panicking in downtown dallas because under previous

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city management, there were more than 50 people sleeping every single night on the public
Library front and strewn across the city plaza,

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city hall plaza. And at that time, we were begging for more support and a real strategy to
Address a situation that we believed was rapidly becoming unmanageable.

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now, today we have hosted a beautiful turkey trot. We are getting ready for the marathon. The parade last weekend went off without a hitch.

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but more importantly, working as part of the continuum of care with housing forward,
We have rehoused almost 300 people just from downtown dallas alone.

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we believe the sleepers, the number of unsheltered people sleeping in downtown is down
More than 70%.

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this makes a tremendous difference in the experience for visitors.

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importantly, the daytime workers, including city staff,
But also companies like at&t and all of the banks and law firms,

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and the almost 16,000 residents that call downtown dallas home.

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the homeless clients have been steered not only to housing,
But to treatment that they need and institutional care when inappropriate.

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die has six full time outreach workers that are dedicated to this effort,
Alongside our partners like the bridge and austin street shelter and our calling.

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we don't see the point in doing outreach if the whole system is not working efficiently to
Help us manage these cases.

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by this funding, you are helping us keep this system humming. And let me tell you, time is of the essence. We need downtown to be ready to host fifa.

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the international broadcast center is loading in in first quarter of 2026.

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this deferral is putting this progress at risk. We also need you to please, in addition to this funding exercise,
Your power to help us address street feeding,

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which is one of our ongoing challenges. And we need an updated ordinance. So I will put a plug in that it's not just money,
But other things that the city is uniquely focused to to help us address.

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so please, on behalf of not only die, but really the hundreds of people that find
Themselves in homelessness,

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please continue the strong support and leadership that you have heretofore ensured with
The $10 million that was approved in the budget for this ongoing

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work. Thank you so much. Thank you. This is your speaker,
Mr.

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mayor. Is there a motion? Motion to approve. Second,
It's been moved and seconded.

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we're on item 13. Chairwoman mendelsohn, you recognized for five minutes.

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thank you. Mayor. I wrote a memo to defer this item for a variety of reasons,
And I'd like to share them with you.

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first off, you may recall. You may note we've never had a briefing on this.

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the city manager had a briefing scheduled for october 15th,
But canceled it.

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we had a briefing scheduled for november 19th. Canceled? No briefing last wednesday. This item could have been briefed,
But it was not.

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and so here we are scheduled for a vote with no briefing.

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the staff asked me to put it on the housing and homeless solutions committee agenda
Yesterday,

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one day before it was scheduled for a vote, and I said yes.

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and even then they didn't have a briefing prepared. They had a memo. Spending $10 million on homelessness services deserves a briefing,
And it's worthy of thoughtful

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discussion. We're being told this is an emergency,
But then why no briefing?

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what's the emergency? And when did they find out it was an emergency?

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and what's the consequence of the delay? Unknown.

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if we're told it's the money is needed at this meeting,
Why didn't anyone know sooner to give the briefing and have a fuller discussion on how

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to spend the dollars? How is this system working that they don't even know that they're
Running out of the funding,

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and they're ending up in an emergency? It seems like very irresponsible and concerning
Budgeting at the city.

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the word fifa is never discussed with us. So peter brodsky,
Jennifer, good job.

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01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:51,320
at least you said the truth because business leaders all across town are saying this is
Fifa cleanup money.

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it's kind of a gross way to describe what's happening,
But that's what they're saying.

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it's just like when the chinese president visited san francisco.

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it's the creation of a short term illusion that an issue is solved or doesn't exist.

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01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:15,840
no, it's about fifa. And that's what this $10 million is really about.

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the use of the dollars is said to be for free housing and utilities for a year.

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but what's the plan when the $10 million runs out and there are no more arpa funds?

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we have no long term plan. Just one emergency after another.

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when these dollars are spent, we will have nothing to show for it. Nothing. We already made a transformational $72 million homeless investment.

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but did we get transformation? No, we did not.

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the efforts that jennifer just described downtown are absolutely not about that $72
Million investment.

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01:08:01,770 --> 01:08:01,770
there are 100% about the city manager having done a good job of stepping up enforcement,
And she should be noted for that.

531
01:08:12,250 --> 01:08:12,250
the only change we're actually seeing is because we have heard the outcry of the business
Community saying they will leave downtown if we don't have that enforcement.

532
01:08:22,090 --> 01:08:22,090
so we've responded. What will it take to get that same level of response throughout the
City?

533
01:08:28,890 --> 01:08:28,890
continuing to give large sums of money with no long term solution will normalize this kind
Of investment into our annual budget.

534
01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:37,970
these dollars, the the 72 million. All of this has been arpa,
And it's running out.

535
01:08:44,740 --> 01:08:44,740
this is beyond what is appropriate, and we need our agencies to have accountability for
Their work and not become departments of our local government.

536
01:08:55,020 --> 01:08:55,020
we need emergency shelter beds. We haven't had new beds in years,
But the population has grown.

537
01:09:00,500 --> 01:09:00,500
the need is urgent, but this plan just shoves people into scattered site apartments.

538
01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:05,100
and then when the housing dollars dry up, the dollars are spent.

539
01:09:09,260 --> 01:09:09,260
we will have nothing to show for it. But our emergency shelter beds are not matching the
Population,

540
01:09:15,740 --> 01:09:15,740
demographics, needs and preferences for shelter.

541
01:09:19,980 --> 01:09:23,780
they want privacy. They don't want to be in a congregate setting. They want to be able to stay as couples, married or not.

542
01:09:27,300 --> 01:09:27,300
they want their pets with them. The committee has been exploring new solutions and ideas
On how to address homelessness,

543
01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:34,500
and that $10 million may be better spent on one of those ideas.

544
01:09:38,750 --> 01:09:42,350
pallet homes. Tiny home communities. Haven for hope model. Single room occupancy. Faith based communities and others we haven't even briefed yet.

545
01:09:47,870 --> 01:09:47,870
it's an insult for staff to talk about this proposal all around town,
Except not in council chambers for us and the public to hear and to push with the

546
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:57,350
nonprofits to deploy these dollars without serious consideration of alternatives.

547
01:10:02,590 --> 01:10:05,750
mayor, I have a number of other items I see. I'm out of time. I'd be happy to just continue. I don't expect to have debate.

548
01:10:08,990 --> 01:10:11,710
I just want to make my comments. Other rounds to use. Happy to do that. That's not a problem at all.

549
01:10:13,950 --> 01:10:17,630
chairman west, you're recognized for five minutes. We're on agenda item 13. Thank you. Mayor and I, a lot of times we'll just kind of,
You know, be fine with someone just making comments.

550
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:25,590
but I think there was some inflammatory things in there that we just can't let be the only
Voice that's said here.

551
01:10:32,350 --> 01:10:32,350
first of all, I the one of the comments was that we've given money to housing for it in
The past,

552
01:10:39,230 --> 01:10:42,550
and have not really seen the positive results. My understanding, and I'm going to ask city management to opine here,
Is that between 2000

553
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:52,790
and 2024, we've seen an increase in 280% of the amount of people we've been able to house
In

554
01:11:02,590 --> 01:11:02,590
who have at one time been homeless. Can you just confirm?

555
01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:07,510
I mean, I don't need a long diatribe on this,
But confirm that their housing forward is working generally,

556
01:11:15,150 --> 01:11:15,150
and it may not be perfect, but it's the system we have in place,
And we are seeing success as compared to sister cities across the country.

557
01:11:26,030 --> 01:11:26,030
thank you so very much, council member west,
For your comments. And first of all, let me just acknowledge that there are no perfect

558
01:11:31,790 --> 01:11:31,790
systems and I would not be serving this body well by telling you that everything that we
Have done over these last few years,

559
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:39,720
that it's been perfect. What I can tell you is that the collaboration and the
Comprehensive strategic model that has been built in

560
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:49,680
partnership with housing forward, who is the lead agency in the continuum of care.

561
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:54,040
we have been very intentional about focusing on efforts to continue to support and
Strengthen the ecosystem around our unsheltered

562
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,840
residents, and it is working, and it has worked. And so when you think about the numbers, whether you're talking about the national data
That the city has been recognized for,

563
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:12,800
and overall, we have seen a substantial reduction in the number of unsheltered
Individuals,

564
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:20,720
residents sleeping on our streets. That progress would not be made had we not put our
Money where our mouth is.

565
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:28,960
whether we're talking about arpa funding, the additional money that's in the general fund
To support a lot of the services that we are providing through diversion and other

566
01:12:37,610 --> 01:12:37,610
efforts. It is a comprehensive approach. And so I am I am excited about the work that we
Will continue to do with our partners,

567
01:12:47,090 --> 01:12:47,090
and I'm excited to see so many of them here this morning,
Because it truly shows that this is not work that the city does alone,

568
01:12:53,410 --> 01:12:53,410
and it will take the ongoing investment. We have never said that this was going to be a
One time thing.

569
01:12:59,770 --> 01:12:59,770
we never talked about it when we rolled out the rapid rehousing program that it would be a
One time investment.

570
01:13:05,370 --> 01:13:05,370
we said that there would be a need for continuous support and continuous funding.

571
01:13:11,250 --> 01:13:11,250
and so I appreciate the comments about, you know,
Kind of setting the record straight.

572
01:13:16,290 --> 01:13:16,290
the details around those numbers, whether we're talking about our veteran homelessness
That we were successfully able to to end earlier in the year,

573
01:13:24,770 --> 01:13:24,770
and any other efforts, the data proves that we're doing a good job,
And I would hope that that work will continue in partnership with housing forward and all

574
01:13:33,050 --> 01:13:36,090
of our other nonprofit partners. So thank you for the question. Thank you. City manager tolbert. And this question may be for you or for staff,
But I seem to recall back when we funded phase one that there was

575
01:13:46,050 --> 01:13:49,810
a discussion that additional funding would be requested. And so to the extent that folks were surprised that this phase two funding came to us,
I just don't find that as

576
01:13:59,850 --> 01:13:59,850
a, as a, as a realistic argument, because I remember that and I just want to get
Confirmation from staff that that did in fact occur.

577
01:14:08,050 --> 01:14:08,050
exactly. So one of the things that we we started out,
We we focused on the strategy around moving people directly from encampments into housing.

578
01:14:15,890 --> 01:14:15,890
and I think that that was the biggest piece of phase one is that we wanted to take
Services out into encampments,

579
01:14:22,850 --> 01:14:22,850
be able to triage and deal with people on spot and be able to move them into housing in
The budget that the city council adopted for fy 2526,

580
01:14:30,820 --> 01:14:30,820
we laid out a housing pathway strategy that was discussed extensively with this body,
And it was in the budget that this $10 million

581
01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:40,500
investment would be used to help us move people in what we call from shelter to home and
The and the and the whole premise of that is that we didn't want shelter to be the stopgap

582
01:14:50,500 --> 01:14:53,900
where people go, and then they have to stay and they stay and they stay. But how do we aggressively make sure that people are being moved and that housing in a
Shelter that is a pathway to housing.

583
01:15:00,220 --> 01:15:02,660
you go through the shelter and you're able to move out. So we talked about that being the next step,
Which is what you have before you today.

584
01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:10,980
so as part of the budget, we mapped it out. We discussed it. We talked about it. And we said that we would be bringing this to council before the end
Of the year to move the $10 million on the street to continue to house our unsheltered

585
01:15:19,140 --> 01:15:19,140
residents. Thank you. And the discussions of the budget happened over several weeks,
And all the council members had an opportunity to ask questions during that process,

586
01:15:28,830 --> 01:15:28,830
right? Yes, sir. That is correct. Okay. Thank you.

587
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:37,910
chairman gracey, you're recognized for five minutes. Agenda item 13. Thank you, mr. Mayor. First of all,
I just want to thank all of these organizations that are represented in this audience

588
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:48,510
today. Thank you for the work that you all are doing. I know that it is a tough job, and I know you all receive a lot of criticism.

589
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:53,270
some warranted, some of it not. But I just want to thank you for the work that you all are
Doing and continue to do.

590
01:15:59,550 --> 01:15:59,550
this is a very frustrating subject for me for a number of reasons.

591
01:16:04,910 --> 01:16:04,910
because on one hand, I've seen in downtown where you all have been able to go through and
Clean up,

592
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:13,030
and I think it was 115 in 3 weeks or something. I'll never forget that stat of how many people you all were able to get off the street so
Quickly.

593
01:16:18,190 --> 01:16:18,190
my frustration comes that when we drive around our districts,
I want to see the same thing happening over there,

594
01:16:24,990 --> 01:16:28,270
because clearly you all have a system that can work. I want to see it spread out into other areas.

595
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:31,030
so again, thank you for that. Colleagues, we continue to have conversations and we
Understand what the need is.

596
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:39,030
we know that there's a homeless issue. We know that there's a housing issue. We know that
All of that.

597
01:16:43,310 --> 01:16:43,310
but unfortunately, it seems like every single time we have a conversation about it,
There's always this political pettiness that jumps in the

598
01:16:53,110 --> 01:16:55,430
middle of actually trying to get to a solution. We all want the same thing. I'm not challenging that.

599
01:16:58,350 --> 01:16:58,350
we all want the same thing. Some of us are executing,
Some of us are discussing, but all of us need to be on the same page.

600
01:17:05,870 --> 01:17:05,870
this is not just about fifa. These people have been homeless before fifa was a thought was
An idea.

601
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:12,470
we need to find solutions to help these people and stop all of these games so that we can
Move towards solutions.

602
01:17:18,350 --> 01:17:18,350
so again, I thank you all for what you're doing,
Madam chair, thank you for your concerns.

603
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:24,120
on how you've been doing and all of these other options,
I think there is a solution that can be derived from all of this,

604
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,920
but it's not necessary to hold up funding in order to do that. I think we need to continue moving in the right direction because it's working.

605
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,920
I want to see it expanded because, again, you all know my story. Messina is my case study. She moved, found her at the other end of hampton,
And I talked to her every morning.

606
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,600
and again, that is my case study. How are we handling miss zina? How are we able to address it? It's a little bit easier downtown,
But when you get into the other districts,

607
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:00,120
it's spread out and you actually have to find them and get those solutions. So for me, I'm approving this, I support this,
But I also want to see increased efforts to address what's happening in and around

608
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:07,600
everywhere else, because we're not going to pretend that there aren't new shopping carts
Showing up in everybody else's district.

609
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:20,050
so while on one hand there are solutions and we don't see them him downtown. On the other hand, we're seeing new people in faces everywhere.

610
01:18:23,210 --> 01:18:23,210
and I take a moment to try to get to know their names. I ask them,
Where do you sleep at night? So again,

611
01:18:29,570 --> 01:18:29,570
I'm telling y'all, this is not politics. These are people's lives.

612
01:18:33,610 --> 01:18:36,370
and we need to stop with this and move towards solutions. We've had plenty of opportunities to brief this item and all that,
But it hasn't happened.

613
01:18:42,250 --> 01:18:42,250
but yet there's always some form of of controversy or something centered around this.

614
01:18:47,050 --> 01:18:47,050
when we talk about solutions, there's always some scheme to find some solution behind
Somebody's back.

615
01:18:53,930 --> 01:18:53,930
this is working. But then a few of us decide that it's not working.

616
01:18:58,810 --> 01:18:58,810
and that's not right, because we haven't had the opportunity to see how it would work in
Other districts. So I continue to support this, and I continue to encourage you all to do

617
01:19:06,290 --> 01:19:06,290
the work that you all have been doing, both individually and collectively,
With or without this body,

618
01:19:11,530 --> 01:19:15,090
because you all are hired. This is what you all do every day. So continue to do that work every day with or without us,
And hopefully we can get ourselves together where we can continue to provide the proper

619
01:19:22,380 --> 01:19:26,380
support to address this collectively, and not just because there's an event coming up. Thank you. Laurie blair, you're recognized for five minutes.

620
01:19:31,500 --> 01:19:31,500
I'm going to echo the sentiments of council member gracey.

621
01:19:38,660 --> 01:19:38,660
we did discuss this, and we did make sure that the funding was available when we did our
Budgets back in.

622
01:19:48,300 --> 01:19:48,300
was it october? So we knew that this was coming.

623
01:19:52,740 --> 01:19:52,740
the the the opportunity to discuss this, whether it be committee or council.

624
01:20:00,580 --> 01:20:00,580
we've had we we don't we haven't had that I normally do not.

625
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:09,100
agree to go outside of the process. One of the things I was taught by my predecessor was
Process and procedure.

626
01:20:16,980 --> 01:20:20,740
process and procedure. And I can hear his voice in my head. Process and procedure. But when the process is broken and we can't get through.

627
01:20:29,060 --> 01:20:29,060
all of the items we need to address the procedure is wrong.

628
01:20:35,780 --> 01:20:35,780
the process is broken. I had the opportunity to speak with one of our.

629
01:20:43,500 --> 01:20:43,500
one of our members are and ask for data. I was afforded the data within 24 hours.

630
01:20:52,700 --> 01:20:56,700
I shared the data with my members of the committee. But yes, we haven't had that because the process is broken,
Whether it be by political posturing,

631
01:21:05,980 --> 01:21:05,980
personality conflicts, whatever it is. What you're doing is hurting,
Not each other, but

632
01:21:15,950 --> 01:21:15,950
the members, the unhoused population in the city of dallas,
Councilman, gracey and I, we share zena councilman,

633
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:25,510
gracey and I, we share the problems that we collectively and I'm spearheading on camp
Wisdom in

634
01:21:35,070 --> 01:21:35,070
67 and around that area because it's a heavily wooded area.

635
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:41,430
but when we can't get through the process to identify those areas,
We are only doing a

636
01:21:51,150 --> 01:21:51,150
disservice to the citizens of dallas. When I was elected,
One of the things I said I wanted to look at the ways to manage the

637
01:22:00,750 --> 01:22:00,750
unhoused in the city, in the district. But it was always a bigger problem.

638
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:06,550
it has to be addressed in the city of dallas when we are unable to do that,
Whether it be in committee or council,

639
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:16,080
the only people we're hurting are the people we have been elected to serve.

640
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:22,760
the process is broken. I challenge each one of us sitting at this horseshoe to put aside
Whatever

641
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:32,840
it is that creates this division, and do what we were elected to do.

642
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:40,240
are we being paid to support to get done? We had staff members who was who was ready to
Present in

643
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:54,040
housing. They didn't get the opportunity to do that. We have items here that are on the agenda that should have been discussed yesterday.

644
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:00,200
it didn't happen. And there are members that should have heard that that has the most
Available land to

645
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:10,120
be developed. And because we didn't get there,
And because we have a habit of not getting to the housing portion,

646
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:19,160
who are we hurting ourselves? One of the things I'm not going to do,
And I've said over and over and over again,

647
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:27,800
I will not do, is bow down to childish behavior.

648
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:33,600
I will not go forward next year with the same type of behavior,
And I challenge each and every one of you to put the people

649
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:43,440
that we that elected us to serve first and foremost and get the job done through the
Process

650
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:53,720
and procedure and policies that are in place to do the work.

651
01:23:58,560 --> 01:23:58,560
thank you. Chairwoman mendelsohn, you recognized for three minutes.

652
01:24:03,440 --> 01:24:03,440
thank you. I will just say in response to some of my colleagues comments that this process
Is not working in my opinion,

653
01:24:10,930 --> 01:24:10,930
and if it was working, we wouldn't see all these long term encampments.

654
01:24:15,530 --> 01:24:15,530
the solution isn't just spending more money. That's not the answer,
And certainly not in the same way we have continued to do it.

655
01:24:25,530 --> 01:24:25,530
the process is broken because items are put on the agenda at the very last minute.

656
01:24:33,050 --> 01:24:36,690
when it becomes an emergency, when it has to be now. And it's not just for this item, it's for lots of items.

657
01:24:41,090 --> 01:24:41,090
I'm going to go back to my prepared items. This is arpa money.

658
01:24:45,690 --> 01:24:45,690
it's once in a generation dollars. It's not from property tax or sales tax.

659
01:24:50,570 --> 01:24:50,570
it's unrestricted in this case. And there may be other homeless uses,
Which I've already said,

660
01:24:57,010 --> 01:24:57,010
but there also might be other significant needs in the city.

661
01:25:01,210 --> 01:25:01,210
city hall repairs. Other city facilities. Streets and sidewalks.

662
01:25:05,420 --> 01:25:05,420
traffic signals. Pension. Streetcar, police academy and more.

663
01:25:11,300 --> 01:25:11,300
I hope people will go back and view the video of our council meeting on february 14th,
2024.

664
01:25:17,820 --> 01:25:17,820
when I said to t.c., please use this arpa funding to repair the city hall,
Not put it on bond

665
01:25:27,780 --> 01:25:27,780
allocation for the change that was proposed at the 12th hour.

666
01:25:32,260 --> 01:25:32,260
we don't need long term debt for repairing this building.

667
01:25:37,860 --> 01:25:37,860
long term homeless encampments exist and will persist,
With all efforts directed to clean up downtown for both fifa and the businesses

668
01:25:46,660 --> 01:25:46,660
threatening to leave downtown is important, and I understand wanting to make a good
Impression to visitors about downtown.

669
01:25:55,020 --> 01:25:55,020
but all our residents deserve to live in areas without encampments and the cleanliness and
Safety that people are striving for downtown with fifa mania,

670
01:26:05,660 --> 01:26:05,660
and the people who are living in the encampments deserve better.

671
01:26:09,900 --> 01:26:09,900
dallas taxpayers will cement their exclusive leadership in caring for all the homeless in
Our region,

672
01:26:15,900 --> 01:26:19,700
as another large pot of funding is allocated to this effort. This is a shared issue and shared solutions are needed.

673
01:26:25,020 --> 01:26:28,380
bond dollars hud dollars are still available. The ridiculously named master lease program,
Which is really a rapid rehousing program, still has $3 million,

674
01:26:35,700 --> 01:26:35,700
largely unused. We could even ask the governor to come help downtown if we needed to.

675
01:26:43,820 --> 01:26:43,820
this is a last minute band-aid to save face with fifa and downtown businesses.

676
01:26:48,540 --> 01:26:48,540
we need a serious and thoughtful next step. And this $10 million should have been placed
To help launch us to that kind of

677
01:26:58,060 --> 01:26:58,060
success, not just throwing more money at the same solution that has not yielded the kinds
Of results that we expected.

678
01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:08,310
that's your time for this round. Miss blackmon,
You recognized for five minutes.

679
01:27:14,030 --> 01:27:14,030
thank you. Okay, so I have a couple of questions about the briefing schedule,
Because that seems to be what is an issue with pulling

680
01:27:24,030 --> 01:27:24,030
it or not? The the item in miss city manager,
I'm looking at the dates that were basically given

681
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:33,830
october 15th, 1119 and 12 three. Those are all full council briefings.

682
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:42,790
was it ever on the full counseling briefing docket? Because I know the 19th, we didn't even have a meeting planned because I think most of us
Were. No, ma'am, it was not on the agendas that you're that you're referring to.

683
01:27:51,190 --> 01:27:51,190
I'm not aware. I have to ask staff to confirm if I'm right or wrong,
But I do not believe that it was on an agenda and then canceled by staff.

684
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,200
so the full council briefing. That's exactly okay. That's exactly right. And we started our committee briefings in october,
November.

685
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:07,560
and then of course, december. Was it ever on any of those on your forecasting from staff?

686
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:18,000
I'd have to ask. We of course. Let me just back up for just a minute. So as council knows, in our approved budget that you adopted,
We actually consolidated departments.

687
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:26,240
so during the month of october, the consolidations and the implementation of that is
Actually what we were focused on.

688
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:31,840
so we now have a housing department that also includes the office,
The previously office of homeless solutions and all that.

689
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:42,680
so during the month of october, I do know that a lot of the consolidation was underway. I'd have to ask the current director if it was then on the agenda for the month of
November.

690
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:47,120
I don't believe that it was, but I do know that as part of the way we presented,
And I'll go back to the budget conversation we laid out in the

691
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:56,840
budget, the housing pathways that was discussed and we talked about this investment would
Be to move forward with the implementation of the

692
01:29:06,530 --> 01:29:06,530
shelter piece. That's what you have before you today is how we implement what you've
Adopted in the budget.

693
01:29:12,050 --> 01:29:12,050
but I'd have to ask director erickson to opine on anything that was presented on the,
I would say,

694
01:29:18,410 --> 01:29:21,530
the hhs committee agenda for the month of november. Thank you. City manager, council members. Mayor. This item did not appear on october and
November housing committees.

695
01:29:27,490 --> 01:29:30,850
however, it was on agenda for yesterday's housing committee. We understand that that's short notice between one day and council briefing.

696
01:29:35,010 --> 01:29:35,010
we did. Author acm liz sedillo authored a friday memo that was posted on this last friday
To brief as well as offering to meet with you all for any

697
01:29:44,810 --> 01:29:44,810
questions that you may have. So understanding that was an abbreviated time frame of
Briefing and outreach,

698
01:29:49,490 --> 01:29:53,330
but it was being prepared to be in that order this year. Did did staff intend to have this briefing at any time and was taken off the agenda.

699
01:29:58,970 --> 01:29:58,970
I mean, because it became from the budget and this is a budget item,
It's not a strategy discussion.

700
01:30:04,250 --> 01:30:08,130
is that correct? That that is correct. Okay. Thank you for clarifying. That is a different thing. Correct. This is a budget item that we had a discussion in
August adopted in september,

701
01:30:14,690 --> 01:30:14,690
but there was never intention of bringing it to a committee or full council in the form
Because it's an item,

702
01:30:20,970 --> 01:30:20,970
not a strategy discussion. It's this item is the implementation of what was laid out in
The budget that we would be delivering for the council.

703
01:30:29,090 --> 01:30:29,090
and so I will say that because as as you all know,
As we work through agenda, timing and items pushing to make sure that we

704
01:30:38,890 --> 01:30:38,890
had this before you to approve would help us go into the new year with that funding being
Released.

705
01:30:44,930 --> 01:30:44,930
and so it was in my in my in my opinion, it was really a rush for us as well,
Trying to make sure that we had all of our pieces in place,

706
01:30:52,650 --> 01:30:52,650
making sure that we work to ensure that the timing of the agenda,
Because of the dollar amount,

707
01:30:57,060 --> 01:30:57,060
is not something administratively we could do. So that's kind of why you're in this
Compressed time frame.

708
01:31:02,060 --> 01:31:02,060
it was to make sure that we did not push it into next year,
Which now gives us time to begin to move forward and implement and get the dollars on the

709
01:31:09,460 --> 01:31:09,460
street. So I don't want the staff to be punished because they've been doing the work,
Making sure that we were ready to go and bringing it before the body yesterday.

710
01:31:18,140 --> 01:31:18,140
and it's my understanding that we were prepared yesterday to answer questions at the
Committee level.

711
01:31:23,340 --> 01:31:23,340
I don't believe that the conversation took place yesterday at the committee meeting. And
Thor,

712
01:31:27,540 --> 01:31:27,540
how many housing meetings have you had since october?

713
01:31:32,780 --> 01:31:32,780
we have had two, one in october, one in november and then yesterday.

714
01:31:36,900 --> 01:31:39,860
so three total as of today. There wasn't any special called ones. There were, but they were canceled. We were scheduling one special call to to do a
Training.

715
01:31:43,820 --> 01:31:43,820
and then there was another pending special call. But that one has been canceled as well.
Now,

716
01:31:48,300 --> 01:31:48,300
about the money that what we're doing. So how much has been spent in all on the program
And what years are those?

717
01:31:56,310 --> 01:31:56,310
got it. So phase one, if you will recall, I believe it was from february to may of last
Year.

718
01:32:03,710 --> 01:32:03,710
in 2025, we had a $5 million investment, and that was to serve about 250 individuals.

719
01:32:10,990 --> 01:32:14,390
and I do believe that that's been the completion of phase one. Okay. There was a fundraising during phase one that actually through efforts outside the
City,

720
01:32:21,110 --> 01:32:21,110
I believe another $20 million was raised. So the city's investment was 5 million.

721
01:32:25,710 --> 01:32:25,710
and then there was a private sector investment that I believe would about 20 million
Altogether.

722
01:32:31,070 --> 01:32:34,750
that was raised 20 million on the private side for this program. So phase one. So right now this is phase two.

723
01:32:37,550 --> 01:32:37,550
so it's a pretty good roi. Yes. So in phase one I think a total that was for the total
Program,

724
01:32:44,070 --> 01:32:44,070
I think it was 20 million. Five of that million came from the city of dallas for phase
One.

725
01:32:49,190 --> 01:32:49,190
and that phase one was the work that we have been doing since february through 2020.

726
01:32:54,750 --> 01:32:54,750
may of 2025. And it's my understanding about 250 individuals were served during that time
Period.

727
01:33:01,350 --> 01:33:01,350
okay, so this is phase two. And for the $10 million investment that is before council
Today,

728
01:33:07,230 --> 01:33:07,230
it is estimated that we would serve about another 425 plus individuals with this
Additional investment,

729
01:33:14,670 --> 01:33:14,670
which is the phase two, focused on moving people out of shelter into housing and freeing
Up the shelter beds.

730
01:33:22,430 --> 01:33:22,430
that also comes with services. Around helping them with stabilization,
Planning, doing all of the housing location,

731
01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:30,550
helping them get employment assistance, all the resources and all the wraparound services
That we continue to talk about transportation,

732
01:33:37,430 --> 01:33:37,430
financial lease, household management, all of those things are embedded into the
Investment.

733
01:33:42,030 --> 01:33:42,030
okay. And so would you say that the I guess we've helped you know,
Right about, I guess, six,

734
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:51,920
6 to 700 folks. What are we are we putting are we making a dent?

735
01:33:58,160 --> 01:33:58,160
I think we're making a huge dent. And I'll give you this one stat that I failed to share
When councilmember west asked the question earlier.

736
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:04,640
from july of 2024 through october of 2025, we have been able to serve over 7000
Individuals during that time frame.

737
01:34:14,440 --> 01:34:14,440
okay. Thank you for that. And thank you. And I too am aware of the drama and where people
Are real.

738
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:25,840
people are getting caught in the middle of all this. And I want to thank you all for being
Here. It's never easy to come down because we're so unpredictable.

739
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:29,600
and the bottom line is we have to when I drive into downtown,
Especially, you know, this morning,

740
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:38,600
you see a different array of individuals that are experiencing homelessness.

741
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:42,960
it is not the same ones that we've seen. And that is what's frightening,
Is because we know that we need to transition those early ones sooner,

742
01:34:52,570 --> 01:34:52,570
because once they've been on the street, they get it gets harder to transition them out.

743
01:34:57,210 --> 01:34:57,210
and they do come with a mental health addiction job training issues.

744
01:35:02,770 --> 01:35:02,770
and so not in any individual is specific in the way we can't cookie cutter an approach
Which makes it a little bit more expensive than if you say,

745
01:35:11,490 --> 01:35:14,130
go to the shelter and then go here and then go there. And so doing nothing is not an option. And I think people around this horseshoe realize
That,

746
01:35:20,890 --> 01:35:20,890
that it may not be perfect, but we shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of the good.

747
01:35:25,930 --> 01:35:28,690
and we've heard that so many times around here. We will work through the new orders and get a program.

748
01:35:32,850 --> 01:35:32,850
but to say the money that we promised you and you thought was coming is cut off now,
But continue the work because this is important is not good.

749
01:35:41,730 --> 01:35:41,730
look on the city. And so I want to thank my colleagues who supported the suspension,
Because I do think there was ample time to brief this.

750
01:35:50,650 --> 01:35:50,650
I do think that that it doesn't matter who's to blame.

751
01:35:54,970 --> 01:35:54,970
but when you look at from september to now, we had opportunities.

752
01:35:59,090 --> 01:35:59,090
and so let's work to get together, to move forward,
Because in the meantime people are really hurting.

753
01:36:06,490 --> 01:36:06,490
and for the games to continue here is not good.

754
01:36:10,730 --> 01:36:10,730
so I'm going to be supporting this. And I look forward to working with my partners because
That's what you are and to see you otherwise.

755
01:36:19,730 --> 01:36:19,730
I apologize if any of you feel that way, but we have to we have to focus and we have to
Find real solutions and stop playing in the

756
01:36:29,330 --> 01:36:29,330
drama. Thank you, miss gordon. You're recognized for five minutes.

757
01:36:35,050 --> 01:36:35,050
thank you, mr. Mayor. My office overlooks city hall plaza for eight years,
So I've seen the encampments and the services offered to our unhoused

758
01:36:44,420 --> 01:36:44,420
residents. It's not perfect, but I can say it's the best that it's been in eight years.

759
01:36:51,300 --> 01:36:51,300
I would definitely love to see this expanded to district six as as we've seen an increase
In west dallas in the design district.

760
01:36:59,420 --> 01:36:59,420
and I know in district six, we look forward to having the salvation army.

761
01:37:03,460 --> 01:37:03,460
but these are important services that we need to offer to the unhoused.

762
01:37:08,660 --> 01:37:08,660
in regards to funds being used for something else,
I recall in 2024, I believe council member narvaez in atkins found some arpa money.

763
01:37:17,500 --> 01:37:17,500
it was 15 million that were used for city hall repairs at the time.

764
01:37:23,060 --> 01:37:23,060
so there has been some funds that have gone to that city manager,
I would like to ask, so how many are expected to be

765
01:37:32,660 --> 01:37:32,660
served with the 10 million? That's thank you so much for the question.

766
01:37:37,660 --> 01:37:41,310
councilmember cadena, so with this $10 million investment. The proposed number that would be served is a little over 425 individuals.

767
01:37:47,390 --> 01:37:47,390
and again, I want to share that this includes not just the the housing piece,
But it's all of the additional services that we've heard from council that we need to

768
01:37:56,470 --> 01:37:56,470
ensure that are embedded. So when we think about ways that we have to continue to make
Sure that those individuals,

769
01:38:02,070 --> 01:38:02,070
once their house, that they're stabilized, we think that that's been I think one of the
Benefits of the track record and how we're doing the housing piece,

770
01:38:10,270 --> 01:38:10,270
is that I want to say, the last time I checked,
The number was well over 90% of these individuals that we have served,

771
01:38:17,110 --> 01:38:17,110
even with some of the prior funding, that those individuals are still stably housed.

772
01:38:21,190 --> 01:38:21,190
but this does include the services that are needed,
Whether it's ongoing support, whether it's mental services,

773
01:38:27,990 --> 01:38:27,990
drug abuse, drug abuse stabilization. All of those pieces are embedded within,
Including the ongoing case management support that this council ensured

774
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:37,920
that in 2022 we also invested in. So I think it allows for us to have a comprehensive
Approach,

775
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:44,800
housing being a big piece of it, but then all of the other services that go along with
Keeping those individuals housed.

776
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:50,880
so those would be the numbers we would definitely come back and share with the council the
Results,

777
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:58,480
and how that $10 million actually moved the needle. And making sure that we're getting people into housing shelter is not a stop in place.

778
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:03,880
it's actually a pass through, and it's a place that you come to in order to be housed in
The city of dallas.

779
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:10,520
thank you so much, and thank you for your work and the work of your staff.

780
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:18,480
as you continue to help bring services to our unhoused residents. That's all, mr. Mayor. Chairman ridley, you're recognized for five minutes.

781
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:25,200
thank you, mr. Mayor. Questions for the housing director.

782
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:34,560
so, thor, why is this item an emergency now? Has all of the money going to housing forward
Run out?

783
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:43,360
why is this critical that we decide this today as opposed to in january after a proper
Briefing?

784
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:51,120
council member. Thank you. This allows us to get a new contract in place to continue to
Have money available.

785
01:39:57,240 --> 01:39:57,240
there is a funding gap expected from federal funds to housing forward,
As are there some agencies.

786
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:06,120
this money allows us to to continue to fund that. It also allows us to make this first investment in their second phase fundraising.

787
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:10,920
so having the city's money be leveraged into an additional ask through housing forward,
This really helps them solidify that plan so they can continue to grow phase two and

788
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:20,200
continue to serve more folks through that funding gap and through their continued refined
Compliance efforts with the upcoming nofo that they'll be applying to for continued

789
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:28,400
federal funding. So has all federal funding dried up?

790
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:32,880
I can't speak to all federal funding and every contract that they might have,
But there's an anticipated gap between when federal funding will restart in new contracts

791
01:40:42,370 --> 01:40:46,050
in the upcoming year, with the application to hud for their nofo. So this allows us to have this new contract in place to continue making sure that there is
Funds available for some of the housing programs,

792
01:40:52,690 --> 01:40:52,690
as well as the support to some of the other agencies that they'll rfp through this.

793
01:40:56,770 --> 01:40:56,770
so what's the anticipated duration of that gap in funding?

794
01:41:01,130 --> 01:41:04,770
I can't speak for that right now from the federal government side. The most current nofo was released, and then it was removed a couple days ago.

795
01:41:09,810 --> 01:41:09,810
and so we anticipate further guidance from hud in this directive and what they'll be
Looking for,

796
01:41:15,650 --> 01:41:15,650
for compliance with agencies and the applications that housing forward is putting together
To continue funding.

797
01:41:21,410 --> 01:41:21,410
so exactly what will this money be used for? So this money is used for case management,
As the city manager had said.

798
01:41:27,410 --> 01:41:27,410
so folks that are actually working with the unhoused population,
Making sure they're getting into the proper services and then rental assistance up to 12

799
01:41:35,100 --> 01:41:35,100
months for most of the funds. There's about a little over $1 million set aside to support
Some additional agencies,

800
01:41:42,620 --> 01:41:42,620
which is austin street, catholic charities, the stewpot family gateway,
Harmony cdc, salvation army,

801
01:41:48,460 --> 01:41:48,460
the bridge, and under one roof. For some administration to support to carry out the
Services that the city manager had acknowledged would be in addition to the rental

802
01:41:55,740 --> 01:41:55,740
assistance component. So all of the 10 million doesn't go directly to housing forward.

803
01:42:00,460 --> 01:42:03,820
some of it goes to the agencies. You've listed the nonprofits? Yes, sir. How much so? So if I could just jump in for just a second.

804
01:42:07,140 --> 01:42:10,540
thank you so much, councilmember. Really so and thank you for the breakdown. So in the memorandum that the staff provided on december the 5th,
There's a chart and the chart is listed on page two.

805
01:42:18,260 --> 01:42:18,260
in that chart, it shows the breakdown of the the 10 million,
The rental assistance line item which includes rental security deposits.

806
01:42:27,940 --> 01:42:27,940
utility assistance is about 6.595. That's what the out of the 10 million.

807
01:42:34,140 --> 01:42:37,100
and then there's another two point roughly 4 million. That includes all of I talked about the case management,
The wraparound services for those individuals,

808
01:42:42,260 --> 01:42:42,260
and then the remaining million, about 1,000,071 is the other organizations that that
Mister thor just mentioned,

809
01:42:50,540 --> 01:42:54,100
everything from those other providers who are doing work. There's administrative costs for them and how they're involved and working to make sure
That placements are happening,

810
01:43:00,180 --> 01:43:00,180
that they're supporting the the effort overall so that this is not a $10 million check to
Housing forward that's sitting in their bank account.

811
01:43:08,420 --> 01:43:08,420
this money is being used to pay out rental assistance,
Provide all the services, and very much support those other nonprofits that are working as

812
01:43:17,620 --> 01:43:21,140
part of the continuum of care to provide services. So I've heard the statistic of the 97% of people who remain stably housed at a 12 month
Time period.

813
01:43:31,510 --> 01:43:31,510
at that point, their vouchers expire. What statistics do you have about what happens to
Those people after 12 months?

814
01:43:43,310 --> 01:43:43,310
council member really for that detailed question,
Because the city of dallas is not the continuum of care.

815
01:43:47,790 --> 01:43:47,790
so we're not doing the day to day. I would ask for a representative from housing forward
To answer that question for you.

816
01:43:55,070 --> 01:43:55,070
okay. If they're available. Ask them if they can't find the person who

817
01:44:05,030 --> 01:44:05,030
lives.

818
01:44:23,110 --> 01:44:23,110
there we go. Hi. Sara khan, ceo of housing forward council member radke.

819
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:29,400
the question was what happens to people after they've transitioned out of homelessness?

820
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:37,880
no. After 12 months when their vouchers expire. So we specifically wait to start tracking returns to homelessness until after someone has
Completed their housing assistance so that we can

821
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:47,600
track not only after move in while they've received housing subsidy,
But specifically start tracking after that to understand if we've

822
01:44:57,560 --> 01:45:01,360
been able to support someone on a pathway towards self-sufficiency. And so the data that's presented on our community wide performance dashboard is the data
That you presented,

823
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:06,880
which is specifically after someone has stopped receiving a housing subsidy.

824
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:12,960
how many individuals actually remain housed? And that's the percentage that you cited.

825
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:18,720
we the the data demonstrates that 90 it hovers between 92 and 93% of the individuals since
2021

826
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:28,280
have been have not returned to homelessness after their subsidy has ended.

827
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:36,320
at what point in time, though, is that count made? The the measure that is on the dashboard counts 12 months after that subsidy has ended.

828
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:47,960
but certainly we track that well beyond that. And if you want specifics on that, we can provide that.

829
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:51,000
so that percentage in the low 90% is calculated not right at the end of the voucher
Assistance,

830
01:45:58,120 --> 01:45:58,120
but a year after that assistance ends, which means many of those households have been,
You know,

831
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:02,840
obviously housed for two years. And do you how do you calculate that?

832
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:09,920
do you actually look those people up and find out what their status is,
And what happens if you're unable to contact them?

833
01:46:18,440 --> 01:46:18,440
how do you count that? So the most robust and reliable way to look at returns to
Homelessness is through the system.

834
01:46:27,290 --> 01:46:27,290
and so essentially we look at essentially a full system view.

835
01:46:33,450 --> 01:46:33,450
so after someone has exited to permanent housing and we note that their subsidy has ended,

836
01:46:40,730 --> 01:46:40,730
then we track month over month of those people who has returned to our system.

837
01:46:47,490 --> 01:46:51,090
and that's the most reliable way to look at returns to homelessness. So if you don't see them reappearing in your tracking system,
Then you assume that they are sustainably housed on their own.

838
01:47:01,970 --> 01:47:01,970
people are living in different living situations,
So sometimes an exit pathway is moving in with family and friends.

839
01:47:07,330 --> 01:47:10,570
if that's a more sustainable living situation for someone. Some people maintain their housing units and the self-sufficiency pathway is employment
And increasing their income so that they can maintain that rent.

840
01:47:19,090 --> 01:47:19,090
but yes, people are exiting on a number of different sustainability pathways.

841
01:47:24,860 --> 01:47:24,860
and so from day one, the case managers are required to create a self-sufficiency and
Stability plan with each household so

842
01:47:34,740 --> 01:47:34,740
that those pathways are identified from the first day of receiving assistance,
So that that person is on a pathway to sustainability after

843
01:47:44,940 --> 01:47:48,380
the assistance has ended, which is typically about 12 months. So there has been discussion about alternative means of housing the homeless in single
Occupancy units

844
01:47:58,140 --> 01:47:58,140
in tiny homes, pallet homes, etc.. And I'm just curious,
Is

845
01:48:07,980 --> 01:48:11,100
housing forward looking into those alternatives? And will any of this $10 million be used to explore or implement those kinds of
Alternatives to the typical shelter housing.

846
01:48:20,790 --> 01:48:20,790
yeah. So this initiative really focuses on, as city manager tolbert described,
The big focus of phase two is equipping our shelters.

847
01:48:30,150 --> 01:48:30,150
I know the bridge is represented today in austin street and family gateway,
But really, to equip these shelters to be able to bring people inside,

848
01:48:38,710 --> 01:48:42,710
wrap them in care and transition them to stable living. And transitioning someone to stable living sometimes means institutional care,
Sometimes means treatment or a housing option.

849
01:48:50,630 --> 01:48:50,630
and as you've described, we need as many housing opportunities as possible in this
Community.

850
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:56,310
and for some, the most viable housing option might be an sro.

851
01:49:02,350 --> 01:49:02,350
and that is something that we would want to move someone into,
Or a tiny home or an apartment or living with family and friends.

852
01:49:09,390 --> 01:49:09,390
and so this resource is specifically to support those transitions and to make them as
Streamlined,

853
01:49:15,870 --> 01:49:15,870
as effective as possible with a tailored amount of supportive services and rental
Assistance.

854
01:49:21,230 --> 01:49:24,230
so this money would not go to creating more sros. But we certainly are looking to partner with as many landlords across dallas and collin
County as possible so that as those units become available,

855
01:49:33,310 --> 01:49:33,310
people have an opportunity to transition in them,
Because all of those are great options for people that are transitioning out of

856
01:49:38,710 --> 01:49:38,710
homelessness. Council member ridley. If I could just just add a little bit more to that.

857
01:49:43,590 --> 01:49:46,670
and thank you, sarah, for the for your response. I think the conversation around tiny homes pallet homes,
Those conversations have been happening around the horseshoe with the council.

858
01:49:55,790 --> 01:49:55,790
and we're I will say from the city manager's perspective,
I can't speak for anyone else.

859
01:50:02,390 --> 01:50:04,790
we're not opposed to any of those types of housing types. I think the challenge is where and how do we continue to work with council members,
Whether it's individual council members who have identified

860
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:18,920
the ways that they would like to see that housing show up in parts of the city. But we're not against any of it. I think what we've got to get to are some very clear,
Clearly defined.

861
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:26,800
I would say standards about what you want that to be and where you want that to be,
Because we can do the work.

862
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:34,080
we just have to make sure that when we bring that work to the council,
That it's going to actually happen. But in the meantime,

863
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:40,040
we're not stopping and waiting for that. We're still trying to find ways to move people
Off the street into housing.

864
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:46,840
and I think that's been the the importance of this partnership with our continuum,
With our lead agency,

865
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:53,920
is that we know that some of that's going to take a little bit more time. I think that
There's a will to do it,

866
01:50:58,960 --> 01:50:58,960
but it hasn't all been developed yet. So in the meantime,
Do we just stop working?

867
01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:03,200
and I think that's what we're presenting is a way that we can keep going,
Continue to work with our partners,

868
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:08,880
and making sure that we're not sitting idle by waiting for something.

869
01:51:13,610 --> 01:51:16,690
but at the same time, I know that I've heard from several council members. There are some plans, there are some discussions in place that I believe are happening
Right now,

870
01:51:21,690 --> 01:51:21,690
including how do we bring our private sector partners to the table to support that type of
Work?

871
01:51:27,730 --> 01:51:31,610
so we're all for it. We need to continue to stay focused on it. But this is not to say that this work that is being done by housing forward is not also
Helping us continue to strengthen our ecosystem and how we get people off the

872
01:51:41,250 --> 01:51:44,250
street a lot sooner than waiting and waiting and waiting. But I do appreciate your comments about tiny homes and pallet homes.

873
01:51:47,690 --> 01:51:50,930
we're ready to go. We just got to figure out what that's going to look like. Well, I was going to ask city manager what the strategy was to implement those ideas.

874
01:51:57,410 --> 01:51:57,410
we've been discussing them around the horseshoe for at least a year,
And we don't seem to be getting any traction on that.

875
01:52:04,210 --> 01:52:04,210
and so I just think that's something that ought to be considered at a moment in time when
We're considering investing $10 million in homelessness

876
01:52:13,810 --> 01:52:13,810
prevention, or to address the phenomenon which I fully support.

877
01:52:20,090 --> 01:52:20,090
I'm just wondering when we're going to see any results for these alternative types of
Housing,

878
01:52:28,170 --> 01:52:28,170
for those individuals who want that kind of housing.

879
01:52:33,450 --> 01:52:33,450
I think it's a great question, and one that I would hope to be able to continue to work
With the leadership of our housing and homeless solutions council

880
01:52:43,210 --> 01:52:43,210
committee in identifying the, the strategy. I think we've been talking and we have had
Presentations and people have come from the outside to talk

881
01:52:53,050 --> 01:52:53,050
about it, but there still has to be a will and a way at the end of the day,
And it will require additional investment.

882
01:53:00,330 --> 01:53:00,330
and so we want to make sure that I know I want to make sure that I'm responding to the
Will of this body.

883
01:53:07,660 --> 01:53:07,660
but pilot tiny homes have to be placed somewhere,
And we have to make sure that there is

884
01:53:17,580 --> 01:53:17,580
a place for them. Once we do the work. So as we continue to to to look at what that looks
Like,

885
01:53:25,620 --> 01:53:25,620
I think it's going to be important to really understand where and how we deliver that.

886
01:53:33,620 --> 01:53:33,620
it will require additional partnerships. It will not be something that the city can do
Alone.

887
01:53:37,740 --> 01:53:37,740
we're not in the pilot home tiny home business,
So we would need to still have partnerships that would come to the table to help us

888
01:53:44,300 --> 01:53:44,300
operate, maintain and actually do the day to day work around that type of housing
Arrangement.

889
01:53:50,980 --> 01:53:50,980
and, and have no problems doing it, but it will require a focused,
Intentional effort.

890
01:53:55,860 --> 01:53:59,460
and we have to be able to say that it's going to happen. And what part of our city do we do it? Is it in certain?

891
01:54:03,900 --> 01:54:03,900
I mean, it's just a bigger conversation and I know we will not solve that around the
Horseshoe today.

892
01:54:11,350 --> 01:54:11,350
well, I agree that there will require some planning to implement those kinds of
Alternative housing options.

893
01:54:21,430 --> 01:54:21,430
sarah, are there opportunities, assuming that the city can identify a location for these
Kinds of alternative

894
01:54:31,470 --> 01:54:31,470
housing solutions, to use any of this $10 million to help to organize that effort?

895
01:54:39,590 --> 01:54:39,590
so this $10 million would specifically be to navigate people into an available unit and to
Provide a time limited amount

896
01:54:49,470 --> 01:54:52,350
of rental assistance and supportive services. So the 10 million is not being used for capital costs to build or create more units.

897
01:54:58,070 --> 01:54:58,070
the way that we've addressed that is housing forward has four full time staff who create
Have created a housing location team.

898
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:04,950
and so we have over 250 landlord partners across dallas county and collin county so that
As available units become available,

899
01:55:13,630 --> 01:55:13,630
we partner with those landlords to make those units available to individuals who are
Transitioning out of homelessness and then use the funding like this,

900
01:55:21,990 --> 01:55:21,990
$10 million to make sure that we're providing the wraparound behavioral health care teams,

901
01:55:26,510 --> 01:55:26,510
case management and rental assistance. So what is the waiting list like for people who are
Ready for housing but haven't yet received it?

902
01:55:38,430 --> 01:55:38,430
so the waiting list for housing? Well, obviously at a point in time,
We have about 3500 people who are experiencing homelessness,

903
01:55:47,110 --> 01:55:47,110
who we're trying to transition into housing or into treatment or institutional care.

904
01:55:52,550 --> 01:55:52,550
and I think the shifts that we've made over the last year in phase one is making sure that
We're tailoring those pathways to everybody's needs.

905
01:55:59,190 --> 01:55:59,190
and so I think the point in time data is a good indication of the number of people,
Sort of,

906
01:56:05,160 --> 01:56:05,160
on any given day, who we need a solution for,
Whether that's transitioning into different types of housing units like you described or

907
01:56:13,560 --> 01:56:13,560
or helping people first get treatment and, and as they move towards a housing solution.

908
01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:19,560
but this, this funding will only. Fund housing vouchers for 400 people.

909
01:56:29,160 --> 01:56:29,160
yes. So this funding is being paired with another $18 million that we're raising through
Partnerships,

910
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:36,200
obviously, with the county and a private fundraise to cover the costs of phase two.

911
01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:44,400
so this money is always leveraged with the city. Dollars are always leveraged with other resources to put the full package together.

912
01:56:48,040 --> 01:56:48,040
oh, so the 400 people that this would rehouse would depend upon the availability of that
Full 28 million,

913
01:56:56,600 --> 01:56:56,600
not just this 10 million. So the 400 is that that council member tolbert described as just
The city contribution,

914
01:57:05,690 --> 01:57:05,690
but the total number that we plan to transition out of homelessness with this money is
About 1100 total exits from our

915
01:57:15,490 --> 01:57:17,890
shelter system. If you get the full 28 million. Yes. So the 10 million council member really I mentioned about 425 plus.

916
01:57:23,850 --> 01:57:23,850
that would be the number just if we only had the 10 million what we have seen each time
That the city has come to the table with funding to support the system,

917
01:57:33,730 --> 01:57:36,330
then the private sector has responded positively. And I think that's what we want to continue the partnerships since 2021.

918
01:57:41,210 --> 01:57:41,210
I can tell you that the leveraging has been substantial,
Whether it's bringing the county to the table and other private partners.

919
01:57:47,250 --> 01:57:47,250
so the additional 20 million or so that sarah is talking about is on top of the $10
Million investment,

920
01:57:53,890 --> 01:57:53,890
which will allow for us, I believe, to then serve over 1000 individuals.

921
01:57:58,620 --> 01:57:58,620
so above and beyond the 425. If we only had the 10 million.

922
01:58:03,660 --> 01:58:03,660
so the county is being asked to contribute an additional 10 million.

923
01:58:08,260 --> 01:58:10,660
but they have not approved that yet. Is that correct? Correct. Okay. Thank you. Chairman johnson, you're recognized for five minutes.

924
01:58:18,540 --> 01:58:18,540
thank you, mayor johnson. I want to thank this,
My colleagues, for this discussion.

925
01:58:24,180 --> 01:58:24,180
I won't actually, especially thanks to council member blackmon,
Because the questions that she asked,

926
01:58:30,620 --> 01:58:30,620
I was actually talking to council member gracey about and so your questions answered a lot
Of what I was concerned

927
01:58:40,220 --> 01:58:40,220
about. However I've been fighting and requesting for solutions for the unhoused in
District four,

928
01:58:50,300 --> 01:58:50,300
and there is a big concern. And I agree with what council member blackmon said.

929
01:58:59,300 --> 01:58:59,300
doing nothing is not an option. That we must do something.

930
01:59:06,740 --> 01:59:06,740
from from what I'm hearing it seemed like it was on the committee yesterday,
So I guess I need.

931
01:59:14,660 --> 01:59:14,660
I just want to know why was the discussion not had yesterday?

932
01:59:18,700 --> 01:59:18,700
I don't know who can answer that, but I would like to know why the discussion was not had
Yesterday. Thank you for the question, and I will do my very best to answer that.

933
01:59:26,220 --> 01:59:26,220
it's my understanding that the item was listed for for the staff to be able to address the
Committee answer any questions about the

934
01:59:36,180 --> 01:59:36,180
item. And I don't believe that the meeting provided the opportunity for them to do so.

935
01:59:43,820 --> 01:59:43,820
but I can answer the question about why not? I can just tell you that the conversation
About the item did not happen at the committee meeting on yesterday.

936
01:59:52,620 --> 01:59:52,620
mayor johnson, may I ask the chair what happened,
Why that particular item was not addressed yesterday.

937
01:59:59,550 --> 01:59:59,550
you can, if she'll respond to it. And if it's a chair.

938
02:00:03,830 --> 02:00:06,710
I wasn't here, quorum was lost in the meeting was ended. But I'm happy to tell you the full story at lunch.

939
02:00:08,990 --> 02:00:08,990
okay. Thank you. I've heard a lot of things today on this,
And I'm not going to be long because you don't need another sermon from me.

940
02:00:20,910 --> 02:00:20,910
but one thing that we must do. Is we must operate from what I'm hearing.

941
02:00:27,950 --> 02:00:27,950
because I didn't see anything. Listening to council member blair and the passionate
Conversation that pastor

942
02:00:37,870 --> 02:00:37,870
gracey had. One thing I know is that our communities are very different,
But one thing they ask all of us to do is

943
02:00:47,550 --> 02:00:47,550
operate in good governance, and we have people that really need support and our politics
Are different.

944
02:00:55,720 --> 02:00:55,720
that's what makes us unique. The difference that we bring to the table,
The difference of our community it brings,

945
02:01:02,600 --> 02:01:05,520
it makes us unique. The diversity is healthy. But when we step out of the lane of good governance and we can't get anything done,
It's the community that suffers.

946
02:01:14,240 --> 02:01:14,240
so I will be supporting this because we need to do something for one reason.

947
02:01:21,640 --> 02:01:21,640
that again, council member blackmon said doing nothing is not an option.

948
02:01:28,120 --> 02:01:28,120
and if you want to know what doing nothing looks like,
Come over to my community.

949
02:01:34,920 --> 02:01:34,920
come see certain parts where we're advocating,
Because in a lot of areas, history says nothing was done.

950
02:01:44,120 --> 02:01:44,120
and when nothing gets done, people suffer. So that's not a sermon.

951
02:01:50,240 --> 02:01:53,560
that's just something I'm very passionate about,
That we must do something. So I will be supporting this. And thank you,
Mr.

952
02:01:55,560 --> 02:01:55,560
mayor. Mayor pro tem recognized for five minutes.

953
02:01:59,720 --> 02:02:03,680
thank you. Mayor. I was on the fence on this item. I will be supporting the item. I don't think this is about politics,
But this is about seeing results.

954
02:02:10,920 --> 02:02:10,920
and I do want to thank our city manager for the efforts that have taken place downtown.

955
02:02:18,120 --> 02:02:18,120
we have come a long way between here and the library.

956
02:02:23,320 --> 02:02:23,320
right outside. But I also believe that we have all come to understand that we can't have a
One size fits all.

957
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:31,520
so I'm going to again, challenge our city management to really implement those additional
Strategies that we've talked about for,

958
02:02:42,040 --> 02:02:42,040
for years now. And so we really need to make sure that we're filling the gaps through
Those solutions.

959
02:02:48,770 --> 02:02:48,770
do you have a couple questions on the. Operations side?

960
02:02:56,010 --> 02:02:56,010
I heard that the average stay was about a year.

961
02:03:00,850 --> 02:03:00,850
do we have more concrete numbers on the average stay for a individual?

962
02:03:10,610 --> 02:03:10,610
are you speaking? Mayor pro tem, beyond the 12 month assistance that they that they get,
They receive.

963
02:03:17,050 --> 02:03:17,050
I'll let mrs. Khan answer that question. Thank you.

964
02:03:24,250 --> 02:03:24,250
so the standard program model is 12 months of assistance,
Part of the innovation that council member or that

965
02:03:34,690 --> 02:03:34,690
city manager tolbert mentioned at the beginning is for phase two,
We're implementing two interventions.

966
02:03:40,130 --> 02:03:40,130
one is diversion at the front door of our shelter to say,
For those folks who are newly homeless,

967
02:03:45,860 --> 02:03:45,860
let's try 1 to 3 months of assistance to immediately get those households out of
Homelessness so they don't become entrenched.

968
02:03:52,940 --> 02:03:52,940
so we're going to do a two part model where diversion for as many newly homeless
Households as possible,

969
02:03:58,180 --> 02:03:58,180
who don't really need to come into the shelter system with 1 to 3 months and then 12
Months of rental assistance for others.

970
02:04:04,540 --> 02:04:07,300
so that's the standard amount of rental assistance. Thank you. So so, city manager, what happens for those individuals that need additional
Time.

971
02:04:15,540 --> 02:04:15,540
are we going to see additional funds 12 months from now to fill those gaps?

972
02:04:21,940 --> 02:04:21,940
thank you so much for the question, mayor pro tem. And I think that's the why. That's the
Reason why we talk about how the city's dollars have to be leveraged to bring other

973
02:04:29,380 --> 02:04:29,380
resources to the table, because we know that there might be individuals that might fall
Within a crack.

974
02:04:34,860 --> 02:04:37,660
you know, maybe there is additional support that's needed. Maybe they're on the right path, but they need an extra bump.

975
02:04:41,100 --> 02:04:41,100
so we want to make sure that when that time period closes out on the funding that those
People don't end up back out on the street,

976
02:04:47,060 --> 02:04:49,420
or that we put them on the street, literally. So I think that's why the partnership has to continue to bring additional resources in.

977
02:04:54,300 --> 02:04:54,300
we know that we're challenged right now with looking at what might be happening on the
Federal front.

978
02:05:00,300 --> 02:05:00,300
that's why I keep talking about the private sector piece. I think it's going to be so
Essential that allows for us to have additional resources available for somebody who might

979
02:05:09,900 --> 02:05:12,300
need another six months or another eight months. And what I've seen is that we have been able to address those situations quite creatively.

980
02:05:18,460 --> 02:05:18,460
and I think that's why you're seeing the stability at the level that you are.

981
02:05:22,820 --> 02:05:22,820
I believe that the word is out there within our homeless ecosystem for individuals.

982
02:05:29,780 --> 02:05:29,780
they know what the city is doing, and I think they respect what the city is doing.

983
02:05:34,420 --> 02:05:34,420
and I just have to take this opportunity to give you one story that I think is important.

984
02:05:38,700 --> 02:05:42,670
and I shared this with you earlier, and I want to share it publicly. There's a wonderful individual who, every single morning sits outside of the coffee shop
At the farmers market.

985
02:05:49,750 --> 02:05:49,750
and after seeing me for about three months, he finally asked someone,
Who is that lady?

986
02:05:55,350 --> 02:05:55,350
and somebody happened to tell him. The next morning when I got out of my car,
He addressed me by my name.

987
02:06:02,630 --> 02:06:02,630
and then I learned that he lives at the bridge,
And he's been at the bridge for a period of time,

988
02:06:08,110 --> 02:06:08,110
and he's 88 years old. In the last two weeks,
After working with housing forward, that individual who's been at the bridge for a very

989
02:06:16,870 --> 02:06:16,870
long time, this friday at 2 p.m., he's moving into his housing.

990
02:06:22,950 --> 02:06:26,870
so he's home for christmas. That's what this $10 million. That's what we're looking for. We have individuals who go to work every single day,
And they go back to shelter at night to stay because they can't afford to get their own

991
02:06:34,790 --> 02:06:37,670
place. And so that's how we presented it in the budget. We talked about that. There's got to be various pathways.

992
02:06:40,440 --> 02:06:44,200
we talk about diversion. We talk about making sure that we keep people housed. We have eviction advocacy money in the budget.

993
02:06:46,520 --> 02:06:46,520
so we're not talking about a one size fits all,
As you know, you and I have talked about,

994
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:50,960
but it's all the ways that we have to ensure that our ecosystem is strong.

995
02:06:55,200 --> 02:06:55,200
and no matter how long someone's been in housing,
We want to make sure that we have a solution for them.

996
02:07:00,840 --> 02:07:00,840
this is just one of the tools that we believe helps us continue to strengthen that system.

997
02:07:06,080 --> 02:07:06,080
and mr. Jimmy said to tell all of y'all hello and to tell y'all thank you.

998
02:07:10,720 --> 02:07:10,720
thank you. Along those lines, what I would like to see is a strengthening of our of our
Results and metrics so that we can see those

999
02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:20,240
outcomes. Speaking of diversion. So we're talking about moving people from out of our
Shelters and

1000
02:07:30,400 --> 02:07:30,400
into housing, but there's also programs that we've done that have been successful that
Pull people directly from the streets where people are sleeping

1001
02:07:40,410 --> 02:07:40,410
tonight. And so what's the balancing act going to be on pulling people from shelter versus
People pulling people from encampments?

1002
02:07:51,370 --> 02:07:51,370
so the purpose of phase two is to really say it's unacceptable to let people die on our
Streets,

1003
02:07:57,770 --> 02:08:00,250
and the streets can no longer be our waiting room. We want to invest in our current shelter system.

1004
02:08:03,210 --> 02:08:03,210
we have incredible shelters, and those shelters need to be equipped and need the resources
To be able to transition people

1005
02:08:12,450 --> 02:08:12,450
into institutional care where that's needed into treatment and into housing.

1006
02:08:16,530 --> 02:08:16,530
and so this funding is specifically to support those transitions.

1007
02:08:22,370 --> 02:08:22,370
so it's the broader 28 million is going to navigators that help people navigate into other
Systems.

1008
02:08:29,730 --> 02:08:32,530
so into behavioral health care beds where that's necessary. It also then goes to wraparound case management and behavioral health care and rental
Assistance to to support those transitions.

1009
02:08:38,850 --> 02:08:38,850
and so the idea is when we get that flow we want to engage people differently on the
Street to say shelter is the place where we

1010
02:08:48,170 --> 02:08:48,170
resolve your homelessness so that we get people off the street,
And we don't expect people to wait outside on our sidewalks to be served.

1011
02:08:55,610 --> 02:08:55,610
we need to invest in our shelters and the same in the same ways that we were successful on
The ground in encampment of integrating all of the care and bringing it to people on the

1012
02:09:04,050 --> 02:09:04,050
ground. We're going to do that inside of our shelters in phase two.

1013
02:09:10,130 --> 02:09:10,130
and so I know this is phase two. How did we come up with the number 10 million?

1014
02:09:17,490 --> 02:09:17,490
so it's budget 2.0. It was really I'll back up just a little bit.

1015
02:09:24,290 --> 02:09:24,290
one of the things that we asked for, even last year,
Because we heard a lot from the council about how do we know what the number is.

1016
02:09:31,250 --> 02:09:31,250
and every single year as we start looking at the budget,
Which we know is coming up again here very soon.

1017
02:09:37,540 --> 02:09:37,540
we just came out of the budget process, and we've already started working on the budget
For for 26,

1018
02:09:42,420 --> 02:09:42,420
27, but it's really about I talked about the ongoing investment.

1019
02:09:47,460 --> 02:09:47,460
we know that it is going to require an ongoing investment from the city.

1020
02:09:53,060 --> 02:09:53,060
we're not getting, you know, a check that's going to fall out of the sky to help us,
Right?

1021
02:09:58,740 --> 02:09:58,740
so we started working last year with housing forward to come up with,
Kind of give us an annual amount that you really believe that we need to make

1022
02:10:08,620 --> 02:10:08,620
sure that's in place. That allows for us to continue to make progress.

1023
02:10:14,100 --> 02:10:14,100
and so in working directly with housing forward,
Looking at the data, looking at, you know,

1024
02:10:18,900 --> 02:10:18,900
how much does it cost kind of per individuals,
I think if you do the math with the 10 million,

1025
02:10:24,460 --> 02:10:24,460
looking at about 425 plus individuals, it's a little over 15,000 per person that goes into
Then getting them on that on that pathway.

1026
02:10:33,870 --> 02:10:36,550
and so we worked to kind of come up with a number. And then my job was to make sure that we would find it in the budget.

1027
02:10:40,270 --> 02:10:44,270
I know that there's been conversations around,
You know, this arpa money. Yes, it is arpa money, but we wanted to make sure that whatever resources that we have,
We put them to good use going into budget planning for this upcoming year.

1028
02:10:54,150 --> 02:10:54,150
definitely. We will continue to find ways to see if there's other potential partnerships,
If there's other funding.

1029
02:11:01,430 --> 02:11:01,430
but this will be something that we will have to look at just in how we operate and be
Doing it either through general funding.

1030
02:11:08,950 --> 02:11:08,950
but it is going to be an ongoing part of how we look at even all of our other core city
Services.

1031
02:11:14,950 --> 02:11:14,950
I never said even in 2021 when the work was starting around rapid rehousing,
That we would have a one time investment,

1032
02:11:22,150 --> 02:11:24,510
we'll be able to go home and and close our doors. This is not a problem that will go away because we just want it to go away.

1033
02:11:29,990 --> 02:11:33,430
it takes ongoing efforts and ongoing investment. And so we got the 10 million number working very closely with with housing forward.

1034
02:11:37,470 --> 02:11:37,470
I hope that answered your question. Thank you. Just in closing again,
City manager, you know that you and I have had a number of conversations and homelessness

1035
02:11:46,430 --> 02:11:46,430
has remained in my top three priorities. So I look forward to continuing the work that's
Been done and looking at additional strategies as well.

1036
02:11:55,790 --> 02:11:55,790
thank you. Thank you, mayor. Chairman gracey,
We're going to you for three minutes then, miss blair,

1037
02:12:01,230 --> 02:12:04,510
for three minutes and back to you, chairwoman mendelsohn for one. If unless anyone else wants to jump in. Okay.

1038
02:12:06,590 --> 02:12:06,590
thank you, mr. Mayor. Just so I'm clear, that 6.5 for the rental assistance is is that.

1039
02:12:12,790 --> 02:12:12,790
explain exactly what that is. Just so I'm clear,
That is for people that are currently housed that stand the risk of being put out because

1040
02:12:20,790 --> 02:12:24,110
they don't have rent or let me make sure. So so we actually have two. So in the housing pathways and I don't have it in front of me.

1041
02:12:26,590 --> 02:12:26,590
so director erickson. If I if I say something incorrectly,
Please correct me.

1042
02:12:32,000 --> 02:12:32,000
so we laid out that there's various pathways to get people housed.

1043
02:12:37,680 --> 02:12:37,680
we you've heard we talked about diversion. We talked about if somebody is housed right now
And they might be on the verge of ending up on the street,

1044
02:12:45,680 --> 02:12:45,680
then we want to have work money or funding to support them stay in house.

1045
02:12:49,960 --> 02:12:49,960
so we've looked at this across the board. This funding here is not the funding that's in
The budget for diversion.

1046
02:12:55,640 --> 02:12:55,640
that's a separate line item. And so we just want to make sure that as we think about the
Opportunities that we have to create more

1047
02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:04,800
capacity in our shelters, we have people who live in our shelters who go to work and they
Have jobs.

1048
02:13:13,160 --> 02:13:13,160
how do we now get those individuals the support that they need to get them moved into
Housing?

1049
02:13:18,680 --> 02:13:18,680
now, that frees up a space for somebody to come off the street into that shelter bed.

1050
02:13:23,880 --> 02:13:23,880
so that's the strategy. But this is not taking any of the funding away from the diversion
Efforts that we put into the budget.

1051
02:13:31,290 --> 02:13:31,290
that is a separate line item. This is strictly about how do we serve people that we know
Are ready,

1052
02:13:37,730 --> 02:13:37,730
and it's the pathway that we create where people begin to know,
If I now go to shelter, I stand a better chance of being housed than staying on the

1053
02:13:46,290 --> 02:13:46,290
street. Thank you colleagues. Again, I'm not going to get on my soapbox too much,
But this has been a a tremendous journey

1054
02:13:56,090 --> 02:13:56,090
for me and my residents in district three. Particularly as you heard miss andrew speak
This morning about 2929 southampton.

1055
02:14:04,810 --> 02:14:04,810
and it's about, you know, pushing agendas versus a shared strategy.

1056
02:14:09,730 --> 02:14:09,730
and I've made a commitment to address the homelessness in my district.

1057
02:14:15,450 --> 02:14:15,450
and it will be addressed. And I guess my challenge to each and every one of you,
We're asking the city manager,

1058
02:14:21,410 --> 02:14:21,410
hey, what are we doing about this? We're asking our partners,
Hey, what are we doing about this?

1059
02:14:26,090 --> 02:14:26,090
what is your plan? Because when we were going through that 2929 southampton journey,
I had several colleagues and water under the bridge promise water under the bridge.

1060
02:14:36,250 --> 02:14:36,250
but I had several colleagues who all had an opinion about how that property should be
Managed to address the homeless issue in our in our city.

1061
02:14:44,730 --> 02:14:44,730
and again, we're having these conversations like,
Y'all don't have homeless people sitting in your district.

1062
02:14:51,770 --> 02:14:55,330
so again, it's a it is a collective strategy about what are we doing? What is the plan? I talked to my folks. Many of them don't want to accept the services
That are being offered,

1063
02:15:03,090 --> 02:15:03,090
because they don't want to spend two days in that shelter because they got robbed,
Or tell me about it.

1064
02:15:10,170 --> 02:15:10,170
so I'm talking to them, trying to understand what is it that's preventing you from taking
The services that are offered so that we can find solutions?

1065
02:15:18,610 --> 02:15:22,460
so now that we know that these are the type of discussions that I want to be able to have. Madam chair, I appreciate all of these options that you are bringing to the board.

1066
02:15:26,660 --> 02:15:26,660
sincerely. And I want us all to be able to review those and figure out which one of those
Options makes sense for our district.

1067
02:15:33,780 --> 02:15:33,780
it's not a one size fits all. It's just not. Yes,
There's homelessness everywhere, but it looks different depending on where you are.

1068
02:15:43,420 --> 02:15:46,780
all of my homeless folks are in the woods. I've been back there. They're in creeks, they're in tunnels. They're in the drainage systems,
Finding shelter wherever.

1069
02:15:52,340 --> 02:15:52,340
I got a group back behind quiktrip, staying in old pipes.

1070
02:15:56,980 --> 02:16:00,380
I know where they are. I'm participating in the point in time count. Not because I think that's just the most accurate way to to to count.

1071
02:16:04,460 --> 02:16:08,300
but I get to know where they are, and I get to talk to them and understand the psychology. Some of it is drugs, some of it is choice, some of it is they didn't know.

1072
02:16:13,300 --> 02:16:13,300
so again, I just want to continue to challenge us to to come up with a plan and a strategy
For our own districts,

1073
02:16:20,190 --> 02:16:20,190
from there, because right now we're all trying to squeeze this stuff together and putting
A lot of pressure on the city manager and our partners to really come up with a strategy

1074
02:16:28,310 --> 02:16:28,310
that works for the people that you are serving,
Whether they vote for you, whether they have a house or not. So please, let's just work

1075
02:16:33,790 --> 02:16:33,790
together for a shared strategy, and I'm happy to work with anybody in any district to do
It.

1076
02:16:38,110 --> 02:16:38,110
yes, sir. Thank you. Miss blair recognized for three minutes one of the things we've been
Said,

1077
02:16:46,030 --> 02:16:46,030
we don't have a an accounting and reporting of what is going on and how it's gone on.

1078
02:16:54,630 --> 02:16:54,630
I've asked for reporting, I got it. I think that what?

1079
02:17:01,310 --> 02:17:01,310
and I asked for a reporting from housing forward,
And they provided that for me.

1080
02:17:08,430 --> 02:17:08,430
well, if we need reporting and if that's what was required,
I'm going to challenge the city manager to have

1081
02:17:18,520 --> 02:17:18,520
our teams that work with us to provide reportings to the body on whether it be monthly or
Quarterly.

1082
02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:27,760
but let's start monthly, and maybe after a month,
After a few months, we can say we need it on only on a quarterly basis.

1083
02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:34,240
if we take that challenge off the table, we take that contention off the table.

1084
02:17:41,480 --> 02:17:41,480
I'm here to be solutions driven, and that is part if part of the problem is we can't see.

1085
02:17:49,280 --> 02:17:49,280
I'm a visual. I need to see what's going on. Like my my counterpart chair gracey.

1086
02:18:00,000 --> 02:18:03,680
we get out there and we talk to them, we ask some questions. I know where mine are. I, to the dismay of my family,
I go in the bushes where they are.

1087
02:18:12,680 --> 02:18:15,560
I know I'm going to get in trouble for that one,
But I do. I go where they are. I find them. I know the challenges.

1088
02:18:21,760 --> 02:18:21,760
we have a process that's that's not working. Because we're now having a committee meeting
Right here at the council.

1089
02:18:30,760 --> 02:18:30,760
that's not what we're here to do. Change has to happen.

1090
02:18:36,800 --> 02:18:39,400
and I think it needs to start with each and every one of us. I'll be the first change maker. I'll do what I need to do to get the job done.

1091
02:18:44,080 --> 02:18:46,240
challenge each and every one of you to follow suit. Thank you. All right. We're back to you. Chairwoman mendelsohn,
For one minute.

1092
02:18:53,640 --> 02:18:57,280
thank you. The question isn't about doing something or doing nothing. It's about doing something that works. There is a question about should we be unified?

1093
02:19:03,720 --> 02:19:03,720
I believe we are actually all unified in wanting to do something to improve our situation
With homelessness.

1094
02:19:09,920 --> 02:19:09,920
the question is that we are not unified on how we would deploy that,
And I don't think that's a bad thing.

1095
02:19:16,370 --> 02:19:16,370
I think it's all the more reason why we needed to have a thorough discussion.

1096
02:19:21,290 --> 02:19:24,010
it was brought up about being a game. This isn't a game. It's extremely serious. And again, it should have had a robust conversation on how those
Funds would be used,

1097
02:19:31,210 --> 02:19:31,210
which was not part of the budget discussion. Also,
You will not find this item in our budget book.

1098
02:19:37,650 --> 02:19:37,650
the 800 plus pages. It was an ordinance. The residents see the increasing homelessness.

1099
02:19:44,690 --> 02:19:48,130
you've already heard councilmembers saying it themselves. So relying on the point in time count is ridiculous.

1100
02:19:52,450 --> 02:19:52,450
every shelter provider has told me they have seen a need they've never seen before,
Is what we're doing is not meeting that need.

1101
02:20:00,490 --> 02:20:00,490
time. Sorry. One sentence. Say it. I am shocked to have heard a sentence.

1102
02:20:10,890 --> 02:20:10,890
to have heard housing forwards say that their positive outcome compound is if they did not
Stay in hmas.

1103
02:20:18,940 --> 02:20:18,940
madam city manager, go ahead. I will send a copy out of the budget book of the pages that
Directly address this issue and how it's identified in the budget on an

1104
02:20:28,900 --> 02:20:28,900
actual two page summary. Thank you so much. Deputy mayor pro tem be recognized for five
Minutes.

1105
02:20:34,620 --> 02:20:34,620
thank you. Mayor. So there's been discussion around needing more shelter beds.

1106
02:20:40,020 --> 02:20:40,020
and now we we settle on this year needing to turn them over more quickly.

1107
02:20:45,020 --> 02:20:48,540
that's not a place where someone should hang out for a long time. But it has a role. Just like permanent supportive housing has a role.

1108
02:20:52,300 --> 02:20:52,300
just like deflection centers have a role. There are a lot of options that we've been
Talking about,

1109
02:20:56,860 --> 02:21:00,660
and we talked about getting to this finish line with a path forward on homelessness. When we went through our budgeting and we went through town hall meetings and we went
Through all the lead up to approving the budget.

1110
02:21:06,260 --> 02:21:09,780
so, you know, here we are at the finish line making a change again. And I'm really tired of us operating this way.

1111
02:21:11,860 --> 02:21:11,860
it happened during the budget session and we've just got to stop. But we know we need more
Options.

1112
02:21:16,780 --> 02:21:20,660
and so let's let's stop talking and start moving to action. We've got the next few months where we can do that at the housing and homelessness
Committee,

1113
02:21:25,380 --> 02:21:25,380
and then hopefully at the council level through a briefing,
And then let the city manager work this into the budgeting for this next year so that we

1114
02:21:33,260 --> 02:21:36,900
can expand these options. Not all on the city's back. We need our private partners. We need our nonprofit partners.

1115
02:21:41,100 --> 02:21:41,100
so we know that we need more in this soup. But it's not going to happen right at this
Minute.

1116
02:21:46,700 --> 02:21:46,700
we've got positive momentum happening. I don't want to see that end.

1117
02:21:50,980 --> 02:21:50,980
so I think we need to support this move on, but keep working on this and moving toward
More action.

1118
02:21:56,300 --> 02:21:56,300
thank you, chairman johnson. You're recognized for three minutes.

1119
02:22:00,540 --> 02:22:00,540
thank you. Mayor johnson. I just want to give a shout outs to city manager and your team.

1120
02:22:07,460 --> 02:22:07,460
when we're dealing with the homeless situation in district four and listening to pastor
Gracey.

1121
02:22:14,150 --> 02:22:14,150
and I don't know everybody because I'm new, so I'm still learning a lot of names,
But miss terry mason and alonzo came out and it was a tough situation that we're

1122
02:22:24,110 --> 02:22:24,110
still dealing with, but they're, they're understanding that the homeless situations that
We're having in district four.

1123
02:22:30,870 --> 02:22:30,870
so I want to just give kudos to them and tell them I appreciate them,
Because this conversation helps me appreciate more of the work that's being done where

1124
02:22:38,310 --> 02:22:38,310
they're actually coming out. And I'm, you know,
I'm very strong willed and and trying to make sure that we clean up district four and

1125
02:22:45,830 --> 02:22:45,830
bring those resources there. So shout out to the code office and those individuals that's
Responding and working with me.

1126
02:22:51,990 --> 02:22:54,390
we've been up in the going to woods with them. I'm, I'm grinding out with them because it's a team effort.

1127
02:22:56,950 --> 02:22:56,950
so thank you so much. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Is there anyone else like to speak on for or
Against agenda item 13 record votes been requested.

1128
02:23:06,000 --> 02:23:06,000
madam secretary, please call the roll. Thank you,
Mr.

1129
02:23:10,080 --> 02:23:13,920
mayor. When I call your name, please state yes if you're in favor. No. If you oppose council member. Yes. Council member.

1130
02:23:17,320 --> 02:23:21,000
gracey. Yes. Councilmember. Johnson. Yes. Councilmember. Resendez. Yes. Councilmember. Cadena. Yes. Councilmember.

1131
02:23:25,040 --> 02:23:25,040
bazaldua. Yes. Councilmember. Blair. Yes. Councilmember.

1132
02:23:29,080 --> 02:23:32,880
blackmon. Yes. Councilmember. Stewart. Yes. Councilmember. Roth. Yes. Councilmember. Mendelsohn. No. Councilmember.

1133
02:23:36,720 --> 02:23:36,720
ridley. Deputy mayor pro tem. Willis. Yes. Mayor pro tem moreno.

1134
02:23:43,440 --> 02:23:46,880
mayor. Johnson. Yes. With 14 voting in favor,
One. Oppose the motion. The item passes. Mr. Mayor,
Thank you very much.

1135
02:23:50,880 --> 02:23:50,880
next item please. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Your next item is agenda item 14.

1136
02:24:02,760 --> 02:24:02,760
agenda item 14. Authorized the adoption of a drivers of opportunity framework aligned
Around five identified drivers of economic

1137
02:24:12,530 --> 02:24:12,530
mobility, public safety, and community empowerment as described in exhibit a.

1138
02:24:18,810 --> 02:24:18,810
this item was corrected and was pulled by council member mendelsohn.

1139
02:24:22,970 --> 02:24:22,970
move approval here I move. Did I hear a motion for approval?

1140
02:24:28,050 --> 02:24:28,050
okay. Is there a second? Okay. All right. There's any discussion?

1141
02:24:35,010 --> 02:24:35,010
seeing none. Mr. Resendez, I just

1142
02:24:45,010 --> 02:24:45,010
want to just make some brief comments. I want to just make it clear that I oppose the
Federal language attached to this requirement.

1143
02:24:55,170 --> 02:24:55,170
I oppose any federal mandate that directs local governments to distance,
Distance themselves from racial equity work or that pressure cities to align with federal

1144
02:25:05,090 --> 02:25:05,090
immigration enforcement priorities. These directives run counter to the values of our
Community and to the work many of us on this council have championed for years.

1145
02:25:14,890 --> 02:25:14,890
at the same time, I want to take a moment to recognize the tremendous work and effort our
City staff has invested to get us to this point.

1146
02:25:22,850 --> 02:25:22,850
staff was placed in an extremely difficult position,
Tasked with navigating shifting federal rules while still honoring the spirit of our

1147
02:25:29,850 --> 02:25:32,690
racial equity plan and the needs of our residents. They approached this challenge with professionalism,
Transparency, and a genuine commitment to our community.

1148
02:25:38,690 --> 02:25:38,690
the drivers of poverty framework is a direct result of extensive community engagement
Conversations with residents,

1149
02:25:46,170 --> 02:25:46,170
stakeholders and partners who live the realities these policies are meant to address.

1150
02:25:50,650 --> 02:25:50,650
staff listened. They incorporated evidence based research they built on earlier equity
Work from 2016 and 2017,

1151
02:25:58,450 --> 02:25:58,450
and they produced a framework that reflects the voices and lived experiences of our
Neighborhoods,

1152
02:26:03,020 --> 02:26:06,700
even within the constraints imposed by federal requirements. But the reality is that not passing this item would cause immediate and devastating harm
To the very residents who are trying to uplift our city depends on hundreds of millions of

1153
02:26:16,700 --> 02:26:16,700
dollars in federal funding for housing, public safety,
Infrastructure and basic community supports.

1154
02:26:22,980 --> 02:26:22,980
losing those funds would disproportionately impact the families and neighborhoods I
Represent families who already face systemic barriers,

1155
02:26:31,020 --> 02:26:34,660
economic hardship, and limited access to opportunity. So I want the record to be clear. My vote today is not an endorsement of the federal
Directives attached to this process.

1156
02:26:41,700 --> 02:26:44,740
my vote is an act of protection for my community. I deeply disagree with the federal conditions,
But I cannot in good conscience jeopardize the essential resources our residents depend

1157
02:26:51,780 --> 02:26:51,780
on. I'll continue to advocate for true equity,
For immigrant families, and for the right of local governments to design solutions that

1158
02:26:59,790 --> 02:27:02,350
reflect the needs and values of the people we serve. And I want to again thank our staff for navigating this complex landscape with integrity,
Care and a strong commitment to dallas.

1159
02:27:08,830 --> 02:27:08,830
thank you. Thank you, chair johnson. Thank you.

1160
02:27:15,270 --> 02:27:15,270
council member mendelsohn jaime resendez said a lot that I was about to say.

1161
02:27:20,150 --> 02:27:20,150
so I'm going to say I concur with what he's saying without wasting a lot of time just to
Repeat everything that he said.

1162
02:27:27,150 --> 02:27:27,150
I ran on racial equity in my community. It's very important to our community.

1163
02:27:33,830 --> 02:27:33,830
and this was a tough decision for me because for all the reasons that jaime just said no
Disrespect that he

1164
02:27:43,790 --> 02:27:43,790
just said so to all, imma be voting for this and supporting this because I believe in the
Work.

1165
02:27:51,070 --> 02:27:54,510
and if we're going to do the work, then that was that is what matters. But in no means is this something that I will support the federal mandates and all the
Things that we have to endure as a council and as a city?

1166
02:28:03,790 --> 02:28:03,790
and we've had those conversations, me and adam bazaldua and some of the other council
Members.

1167
02:28:08,270 --> 02:28:08,270
there's just something that it's like a a hard pill to swallow,
If I can say it like that.

1168
02:28:13,510 --> 02:28:17,230
but I will be supporting that for again, for every reason that councilman resendez said. And I want to go on record concurring with him,
Not to repeat everything, but concurring so my community know where I continue to stand

1169
02:28:22,910 --> 02:28:25,790
when it comes to racial equity. Thank you. Thank you. Council member bazaldua thank you. I will add third to that second and concur with my
Colleague,

1170
02:28:33,910 --> 02:28:33,910
mr. Resendez. And I just want to also emphasize that there's still a commitment.

1171
02:28:39,950 --> 02:28:43,150
I'm not afraid to say diversity, equity and inclusion. I believe it's still a priority. And I think the work will continue.

1172
02:28:46,310 --> 02:28:46,310
and the people that we serve, especially in the southern sector,
Will continue to have adequate resources in an equitable manner,

1173
02:28:55,320 --> 02:28:55,320
and one that is conscious of the historic nature of our city and the wrongs that had been
Done in the past.

1174
02:29:01,880 --> 02:29:01,880
I want to say a special thank you to our city manager who has made very difficult
Decisions.

1175
02:29:10,200 --> 02:29:10,200
your team liz, specifically, thank you for getting in the trenches and and doing the real
Hard work to get us to a place where the work does continue.

1176
02:29:20,120 --> 02:29:20,120
thank you for always prioritizing those who don't have voices.

1177
02:29:24,960 --> 02:29:24,960
those who are not able to fill these chambers up on a weekly basis and advocate for
Themselves.

1178
02:29:31,880 --> 02:29:31,880
that's the type of work that I've watched you do since I've been here,
And I can't I can't thank you enough for that.

1179
02:29:37,760 --> 02:29:37,760
I also want to say a big thank you to our attorneys because a lot of work was put in to
Make sure that we were in compliance.

1180
02:29:45,960 --> 02:29:45,960
and that's the emphasis that needs to be had on whatever this vote is,
Is that this is about compliance.

1181
02:29:52,770 --> 02:29:52,770
this is not about changing the work that we're doing or the commitment that we have to the
Work.

1182
02:29:57,570 --> 02:29:57,570
so I want to say a special thank you to you all as well for y'all's y'all's work and
Advocacy for this council member gracey again,

1183
02:30:06,410 --> 02:30:06,410
concur with council member resendez he is the great orator of this horseshoe is what I'm
Gonna call him.

1184
02:30:14,570 --> 02:30:14,570
but but thank you. And thank you to staff to liz,
City manager.

1185
02:30:18,890 --> 02:30:18,890
again. This is a tough adjustment. So I'm not going to repeat all of that. But I just want
To give you all just a practical example of how this new framework can show up in the

1186
02:30:27,050 --> 02:30:27,050
community. We had a lot of discussions. But this weekend I did a grand opening for an
Organization called build building wealthy families,

1187
02:30:35,730 --> 02:30:35,730
in which they had over 200 people standing outside.

1188
02:30:40,410 --> 02:30:40,410
this is day one, cutting the ribbon, over 200 people standing outside waiting to receive
Services.

1189
02:30:47,690 --> 02:30:47,690
so when you have this new framework, it makes it easy to understand where the city fits
In.

1190
02:30:53,130 --> 02:30:53,130
they already have a system going. We can lead,
We can collaborate and we can support.

1191
02:30:57,730 --> 02:31:01,650
all I needed to do was show up and support because they have a system that's going. So this, I think, is a framework that gives organizations a clear direction in how they
Can move forward despite some of this nonsense.

1192
02:31:10,530 --> 02:31:10,530
and then how we can help continue to support them in the work that they do.

1193
02:31:14,650 --> 02:31:14,650
so, again, thank you all for doing this. I just wanted to share that that was a practical
Example of how this is already taking effect even before the vote,

1194
02:31:23,290 --> 02:31:23,290
that organizations understand the need. And people most certainly understand the need for
This.

1195
02:31:28,250 --> 02:31:28,250
so thank you for this. And again, I guess I'll say congratulations.

1196
02:31:33,370 --> 02:31:33,370
thank you. Chair gracey council member cadena.

1197
02:31:38,530 --> 02:31:38,530
yes. I want to thank staff for their hard work on this and I also want to thank the
Residents who reached out and provided input

1198
02:31:48,220 --> 02:31:48,220
especially from district six. When I first heard about the federal mandate,
I was concerned.

1199
02:31:53,220 --> 02:31:53,220
I think, like everyone else me and my family have benefited from dei.

1200
02:31:58,020 --> 02:31:58,020
my father was a navy veteran. He was born here in dallas,
And when he came home, he was able to find a job because of this program.

1201
02:32:06,100 --> 02:32:06,100
he was one of the first minority hires at his place of employment.

1202
02:32:11,700 --> 02:32:14,620
so I have to acknowledge how it's benefited me. But over the months of discussion, city staff has worked hard on the drivers of
Opportunity.

1203
02:32:19,700 --> 02:32:23,380
the drivers of opportunity will benefit my constituents. It provides an avenue for much needed federal dollars to help the residents of district
Six.

1204
02:32:28,660 --> 02:32:31,740
my vote is for resources for my community members. My vote is not in support of the federal directives.

1205
02:32:35,260 --> 02:32:35,260
thank you. Thank you. Seeing no further speakers.

1206
02:32:39,300 --> 02:32:39,300
city manager. Thank you. I could not take. Thank you so much.

1207
02:32:44,260 --> 02:32:44,260
I wanted to make sure that I took this opportunity to really,
First of all, thank the city council when we came to you earlier in the year and we

1208
02:32:51,630 --> 02:32:54,750
started talking about the federal directives. We clearly understood that our charge had to be,
How do we move forward in a way that still uplifts this community in ways

1209
02:33:04,350 --> 02:33:04,350
that we started and the work could not we couldn't take steps backwards.

1210
02:33:09,670 --> 02:33:12,630
and so I cannot do this without a great team. They have been in the trenches. Thank you so much for acknowledging the work.

1211
02:33:15,870 --> 02:33:15,870
thank you to liz sedillo. She's probably really tired of me by now on this item.

1212
02:33:22,870 --> 02:33:22,870
but it has really been a team effort all the way down to every single department director.

1213
02:33:28,070 --> 02:33:28,070
we have been working to ensure that we get this right,
And we want to come back and show the council what results we're getting under this new

1214
02:33:36,030 --> 02:33:36,030
framework and be able to make adjustments as needed going forward.

1215
02:33:40,190 --> 02:33:42,990
so I just wanted to take the opportunity to thank this body. Thank you for pushing us. Thank you for challenging us to make sure that we continue
Efforts to make progress real in our city and hold us accountable for doing

1216
02:33:52,840 --> 02:33:55,920
that. And we could not do it without great partners outside the city. I want to thank all of the executives, whether it's from our hospitals,
Our faith based community,

1217
02:34:00,720 --> 02:34:00,720
transportation organizations, our educational partners,
All of the anchor institutions came to the table,

1218
02:34:07,200 --> 02:34:10,160
and they have been a part of developing this body of work. And so the credit goes to you all for pushing us,
And it definitely goes to the team for making it happen and getting this to today's

1219
02:34:17,840 --> 02:34:17,840
agenda. So thank you so very much. And I'm honored that we will be able to continue the
Work as been mentioned by council member resendez and so many of you,

1220
02:34:26,200 --> 02:34:26,200
and we look forward to showing you our progress. Thank you. Okay.

1221
02:34:30,320 --> 02:34:30,320
miss blair, do you have a question on this item?

1222
02:34:34,400 --> 02:34:38,240
well, no, I just wanted to say something real quick. Go ahead. While I agree with everything my colleague said,
And I agree that I don't.

1223
02:34:45,920 --> 02:34:45,920
I'm not voting. I'm voting for this because we have to,
In essence, to get through this process.

1224
02:34:54,240 --> 02:34:54,240
I don't agree everything you guys have said. I totally agree with it.

1225
02:34:59,040 --> 02:34:59,040
I do, I do believe that. The opportunities that existed to us by having

1226
02:35:08,920 --> 02:35:08,920
die and no longer having it is a challenge, but it is what we have to do.

1227
02:35:15,160 --> 02:35:15,160
so I'm voting for it, even though it may not be something that I necessarily agree with.

1228
02:35:26,400 --> 02:35:28,520
council member. Bazaldua. Round two. Thank you. I just wanted to correct my statement. I thank all of the legal team except for bert.

1229
02:35:35,920 --> 02:35:35,920
okay. Seeing no further discussion let's take a vote.

1230
02:35:40,810 --> 02:35:44,330
all in favor say aye. Any opposed? Motion one. Opposed. Noted. Alright, we're going to do one more item.

1231
02:35:48,090 --> 02:35:48,090
madam secretary. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Your next item is agenda item 48.

1232
02:35:55,210 --> 02:35:55,210
agenda item 48 is an ordinance granting a revocable license to to ike or ike smart city,
Llc for the

1233
02:36:05,010 --> 02:36:05,010
purpose of installing, operating and maintaining digital city kiosk on public rights of
Way.

1234
02:36:10,610 --> 02:36:10,610
not open to vehicular traffic in connection with an interactive digital kiosk advertising
Concession contract.

1235
02:36:20,610 --> 02:36:20,610
this item you do have one individual has signed up to speak on this item alex scott.

1236
02:36:28,570 --> 02:36:28,570
alex scott is not present. This is your item,
Mr.

1237
02:36:33,930 --> 02:36:33,930
mayor. This item was pulled by council members west,
Ridley and mendelsohn.

1238
02:36:40,620 --> 02:36:40,620
council member bazaldua. Do you have a motion? I move to approve this item with the
Following changes. The license is for a ten year term with two five year renewal options,

1239
02:36:49,900 --> 02:36:49,900
and direct the city manager to provide a briefing to city council regarding existing
Federal,

1240
02:36:55,100 --> 02:36:55,100
state, and local walkability policies. Second.

1241
02:36:59,740 --> 02:37:03,020
second, there's a motion and a second. Any discussion? Yes. Go ahead, madam city manager, I just not only with the directive that is here.

1242
02:37:08,820 --> 02:37:12,060
I thought I would hope that it's going to be inclusive and exhaustive. If you will on potential innovative solutions that we can come up with that is a one for
One,

1243
02:37:21,180 --> 02:37:21,180
if you will a way that we can look at the right of way that may be impacted or taken away
For

1244
02:37:30,460 --> 02:37:30,460
pedestrians that we figure out a way to add to our public right of way to compensate for
Any impact that it would have.

1245
02:37:40,020 --> 02:37:40,020
I know that there is concern that we've heard from the public about the placements of
These kiosks.

1246
02:37:48,700 --> 02:37:51,420
which I believe we have been able to work through. One of the the issues and the terms of this contract gives somewhat of a unilateral power
To a director level position on the

1247
02:38:01,140 --> 02:38:01,140
placements of these. And I'm hoping that we can get your commitment as we move forward
For,

1248
02:38:07,860 --> 02:38:07,860
for a provided oversight. Because if we have to fight at every chance that one of these
Gets put up the location,

1249
02:38:16,580 --> 02:38:16,580
because it was done without at least consulting with the council member of the district
That it was in.

1250
02:38:21,820 --> 02:38:24,700
give us the opportunity to speak to our residents. Et-cetera. That's that's the only way. And I didn't know a good way for that to be added
In the actual language of the terms of the agreement,

1251
02:38:31,540 --> 02:38:31,540
but we need to make sure that we still have direct oversight and a direct opportunity to
Express these concerns,

1252
02:38:39,390 --> 02:38:39,390
hear feedback, and work through where the placements of these are,
Specifically in our districts.

1253
02:38:46,430 --> 02:38:46,430
so if you're pushing your button, I want to see if you chime in.

1254
02:38:51,230 --> 02:38:51,230
I was just getting ready. I'm ready for you. So thank you so very much.

1255
02:38:57,070 --> 02:38:57,070
and so as part of I think we heard a lot of that and I'm not opposed to the motion
Language that you just read.

1256
02:39:03,670 --> 02:39:03,670
I think in june, when we set before this body to give me approval to move forward with
Negotiating the concession contract,

1257
02:39:10,390 --> 02:39:10,390
we heard very loud and clear that there needed to not only be notification procedures,
But we wanted to make sure that property owners,

1258
02:39:16,550 --> 02:39:16,550
residents and stakeholders would also be engaged into the placement process.

1259
02:39:22,310 --> 02:39:22,310
and so in section 4.7, page seven, it lays out that process.

1260
02:39:29,030 --> 02:39:29,030
if there's an additional notification that council wants me to ensure that we build in.

1261
02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:34,560
I just want to make sure that again, we've we've included that because we heard that in
June when council asked us to move in this direction.

1262
02:39:41,680 --> 02:39:41,680
so we've addressed everything from community meetings to make sure that there's feedback
Given in advance,

1263
02:39:47,360 --> 02:39:47,360
that feedback will actually be provided to the city,
And then there will be a site approval request that would then come to us.

1264
02:39:53,960 --> 02:39:53,960
so we actually have a pretty extensive process that we've put in place around that piece
Of it.

1265
02:39:59,400 --> 02:39:59,400
and then the additional briefing that you've asked for is something that I do support,
And we will definitely make sure that we come back to you soon as we begin the

1266
02:40:07,040 --> 02:40:10,760
implementation of the installation of of the units. So thank you so much. No thank you. I think the interpretation is is more of a suggestion
In a lot of that piece.

1267
02:40:19,120 --> 02:40:19,120
and what I want to make sure is that the language that allows for director,
Director gives us the ability to have that oversight with him.

1268
02:40:27,680 --> 02:40:27,680
and so that's the only request that I have. I want to say about this project,
It's something that I was fully supportive of and still am fully supportive of.

1269
02:40:36,240 --> 02:40:36,240
I believe that we should be looking at not only having innovative technology as a part of
Our resources to the

1270
02:40:45,920 --> 02:40:45,920
public. I also believe that with fifa coming any turning away,
Any opportunity to bring in revenue to our city with the budget

1271
02:40:55,920 --> 02:40:55,920
restraints that we've had with the discussions that we exhaust to me would just be
Fiscally irresponsible to our city.

1272
02:41:04,160 --> 02:41:04,160
there is lessons that we've learned from the current kiosks that we have on our streets.

1273
02:41:13,040 --> 02:41:13,040
and I believe these are a totally different product that we have to offer.

1274
02:41:19,400 --> 02:41:19,400
I want to tell one story. And that was when I was in san antonio for the national league
Of cities.

1275
02:41:25,040 --> 02:41:25,040
it was the first year I was in office. I came out of,
The convention center in san antonio.

1276
02:41:30,690 --> 02:41:30,690
and I saw this what looked like a big smartphone in front of me.

1277
02:41:35,290 --> 02:41:35,290
I walked up and just started kind of pressing on it and playing on it,
Because I was going to go get some lunch,

1278
02:41:41,010 --> 02:41:41,010
and I wanted some suggestions of local eateries in the area.

1279
02:41:45,290 --> 02:41:45,290
I scrolled through, I found one. I thought it was a suggestion I never would have thought
Of.

1280
02:41:50,370 --> 02:41:50,370
and it asked if I needed a ride there and then it allowed me to scan a qr code without
Sharing any of my data.

1281
02:41:58,010 --> 02:41:58,010
I want to make sure that's clear, because that's a concern of mine,
And that I worked through in learning more about this product. But I scan the qr code and

1282
02:42:04,770 --> 02:42:04,770
it automatically opened up my rideshare app,
And I was able to seamlessly go to a local recommendation of a local business that was

1283
02:42:15,330 --> 02:42:15,330
sponsored here. And then when you kind of play around with it,
I've done things like take selfies with people.

1284
02:42:21,930 --> 02:42:21,930
when we've traveled together, I've done things like just seeing the local news in,
In in

1285
02:42:31,540 --> 02:42:31,540
atlanta specifically. I played on one and I saw the advertisement of some current events
And some things that were going on in the city.

1286
02:42:39,140 --> 02:42:39,140
and it's so it was a good avenue for some saw as well.

1287
02:42:43,900 --> 02:42:43,900
and so I ultimately believe this to be good. This does not cost the city any money.

1288
02:42:49,060 --> 02:42:49,060
this leverages our current assets to generate more revenue,
Which is something that this council has expressed interest in doing.

1289
02:42:57,060 --> 02:42:57,060
time and time again, every budget season, we think about how we could be bringing in more
To be able to provide more without making cuts.

1290
02:43:04,180 --> 02:43:08,140
so I'm excited for this project. Thank you for your hard work on it. It's been a long time coming, and it looks like we're going to get this across the finish
Line to actually benefit from the influx of people and economic opportunity that we have

1291
02:43:16,660 --> 02:43:16,660
coming into the fifa games. Thank you. Thank you,
Chair middleton.

1292
02:43:21,100 --> 02:43:21,100
thank you. In looking at exhibit f titled data collected by kiosks.

1293
02:43:26,750 --> 02:43:26,750
there's a clause that says without user consent,
Like smart cities, kiosks do not collect blah blah blah.

1294
02:43:35,030 --> 02:43:35,030
so how does one consent?

1295
02:43:51,150 --> 02:43:51,150
hi. Good afternoon, daisy fest, director of office of communications and customer
Experience.

1296
02:43:55,790 --> 02:43:55,790
what that is referring to is, for example, if someone wants to opt in to utilize the wi-fi
From the from the kiosk itself,

1297
02:44:05,790 --> 02:44:05,790
it would trigger an opt in functionality. Is someone able to use the ike without it
Collecting data?

1298
02:44:17,110 --> 02:44:17,110
yes, absolutely. They would just opt out. For example,
If you're in a starbucks and you want to utilize the wi-fi at starbucks,

1299
02:44:25,470 --> 02:44:29,390
you have to go through a manual process in order to opt in to utilize the wi-fi. It'll be a similar process with the kiosks. So specifically,
Are they offered a

1300
02:44:39,190 --> 02:44:39,190
window to opt in and they say yes or no? I mean,
How exactly does that consent take place?

1301
02:44:47,870 --> 02:44:47,870
I believe it's all within your phone. You know,
When you try and connect to nearby wi-fi.

1302
02:44:53,830 --> 02:44:53,830
so it would be the user themselves opting in to connect to the wi-fi.

1303
02:44:59,310 --> 02:44:59,310
so council member bazaldua gave an example of his rideshare being pulled up.

1304
02:45:04,630 --> 02:45:04,630
clearly, it knew who he was. My question is,
Did he would he have had to consent that yes,

1305
02:45:11,910 --> 02:45:15,190
you should open up one of my apps and my phone. And at what point is he consenting? Chair mendelsohn,
Can you guide me to where you're looking at in the documents.

1306
02:45:23,120 --> 02:45:23,120
this is on exhibit f. That was part of our agenda.

1307
02:45:27,280 --> 02:45:27,280
thank you. I don't know whether or not that exhibit is exactly in the for the franchise
Piece,

1308
02:45:36,280 --> 02:45:36,280
which is actually what council is voting on. So is that the concession concession contract
Piece that's being referred to?

1309
02:45:44,360 --> 02:45:44,360
I'll have facilities confirmed, but I believe that the item did include a a copy of the
Data collected by the kiosks as an attachment.

1310
02:45:54,080 --> 02:45:54,080
just because we knew that that was a big point of conversation during the june 11th
Conversation.

1311
02:46:00,000 --> 02:46:00,000
and so that item was attached. The city attorney interrupt you?

1312
02:46:04,480 --> 02:46:04,480
the ordinance it specifies this. Let's hear from our city attorney.

1313
02:46:10,760 --> 02:46:10,760
willow, can you come up to the podium? I don't I think those were just additional items.

1314
02:46:14,800 --> 02:46:14,800
but the item before us today is to give revocable permission for the installation,
Operation and maintenance of the kiosk.

1315
02:46:22,370 --> 02:46:22,370
and that's what council is considering today.

1316
02:46:27,850 --> 02:46:27,850
is the item to approve an ordinance? Yes, it's a license ordinance,
But those documents that she's referring to,

1317
02:46:36,570 --> 02:46:36,570
miss sanchez, are those in addition to. Hello.

1318
02:46:42,890 --> 02:46:42,890
willow sanchez, city attorney's office. The item that is up for consideration today is to
Authorize is the ordinance,

1319
02:46:49,490 --> 02:46:49,490
which is the license granting the right to install and exist in the right of way.

1320
02:46:55,810 --> 02:46:55,810
it is not the contract that has the exhibits that you're referring to.

1321
02:47:01,770 --> 02:47:01,770
so when we have this briefing, I asked all sorts of questions about data privacy.

1322
02:47:07,090 --> 02:47:11,010
I've not received those answers. I'm continuing to ask those questions. And point of order. State your point of order.

1323
02:47:14,130 --> 02:47:16,890
this is not germane to the item on the agenda. I'm going to again look to our legal counsel to to guide us here.

1324
02:47:22,890 --> 02:47:22,890
okay. Again, the item is specifically about granting the permission to install,
Operate and maintain the kiosk.

1325
02:47:32,850 --> 02:47:32,850
it's not the underlying contract itself. Council's already approved that item.

1326
02:47:37,490 --> 02:47:40,770
and that contract's already been executed. Thank you. Chair, we can stay germane to the topic, please.

1327
02:47:45,010 --> 02:47:45,010
okay. My next item. Is how, after they are installed,
Will they be connected to

1328
02:47:54,210 --> 02:47:54,210
electricity? I don't have that level

1329
02:48:03,890 --> 02:48:03,890
of detail, but I do know that the director of transportation and public works ensured that
The contract.

1330
02:48:10,010 --> 02:48:10,010
sorry. Can I speak about the contract? No. I'm sorry.

1331
02:48:17,500 --> 02:48:17,500
I believe electricity is fundamental to the installation of these.

1332
02:48:21,540 --> 02:48:21,540
I'd like to get an answer, please. I'm also going to ask about fiber.

1333
02:48:27,780 --> 02:48:27,780
just. That'll be the. I don't have the answer to the question other than to say that if
You look in the ordinance under seven b all the

1334
02:48:37,180 --> 02:48:37,180
grantee is responsible for obtaining all needed permits and utility approvals in
Connection with the installation of the cuts that might be needed,

1335
02:48:46,980 --> 02:48:46,980
excavation that may be needed, and other related utility requirements.

1336
02:48:52,420 --> 02:48:52,420
and so it's in the it's in this ordinance that they're it's their responsibility to get
All the appropriate permits for that.

1337
02:49:01,020 --> 02:49:01,020
so again, chair, this was discussed the last time we had this briefing,
That there were serious concerns about allowing ike to tap into the city's

1338
02:49:10,300 --> 02:49:10,300
poles, traffic signals and other electrified items,
And we were told this would come back to us.

1339
02:49:17,870 --> 02:49:17,870
I don't feel like we've gotten an answer here.

1340
02:49:22,550 --> 02:49:22,550
so then I'd like to move to amend the ordinance to say they may not tap into city polls or
Traffic signals.

1341
02:49:32,270 --> 02:49:32,270
is there a second? Okay. Any discussion on this item?

1342
02:49:38,350 --> 02:49:38,350
yes. Chair middleton, extremely substantial investments in our traffic signals.

1343
02:49:44,070 --> 02:49:44,070
they're a key element to public safety and to motor vehicle safety.

1344
02:49:48,950 --> 02:49:48,950
pedestrian safety. And to allow a vendor to use our infrastructure is outrageous.

1345
02:49:57,670 --> 02:49:57,670
and I don't think safeguards are in place. We don't even have an answer available.

1346
02:50:04,630 --> 02:50:04,630
I mean, that's pretty shocking. How are they getting how are they getting wi-fi?

1347
02:50:11,870 --> 02:50:11,870
are they using fiber that we're running for our signals?

1348
02:50:16,390 --> 02:50:19,230
again, this is a question brought up. Last time. We were assured we'd get an answer. Yes, I'll.

1349
02:50:23,470 --> 02:50:23,470
I'll have guests can correlate. The director of transportation and public works speak on
The electricity provided for the kiosks.

1350
02:50:33,630 --> 02:50:33,630
the director of the department of transportation. Public works. So if they approach us
With that proposal,

1351
02:50:41,870 --> 02:50:41,870
from my perspective, they will be denied. There will not be allowed to tap into our
Traffic signal power supply,

1352
02:50:49,750 --> 02:50:49,750
nor our streetlight power supply. Well, thank you for an answer,
I appreciate that.

1353
02:50:55,150 --> 02:50:55,150
so how would they then be able to access fiber network?

1354
02:51:01,230 --> 02:51:01,230
they will have to apply for their own stuff. So they cannot apply nor connect to our own
Systems.

1355
02:51:10,520 --> 02:51:10,520
okay, if there's a data breach, who pays? Who's responsible?

1356
02:51:17,320 --> 02:51:17,320
is that in the contract or the ordinance or whatever we're approving?

1357
02:51:22,560 --> 02:51:22,560
I do not believe it's part of the ordinance,
But staff.

1358
02:51:32,400 --> 02:51:32,400
I believe that is not part of the ordinance. And again,
We are going back and forth between what is being approved today and the concession

1359
02:51:42,200 --> 02:51:42,200
contract, the items that council presented in june that we needed to consider,
And my authority to negotiate the concession contract,

1360
02:51:51,360 --> 02:51:51,360
which deals with everything from routine cleaning,
Maintenance, privacy, privacy, locations,

1361
02:51:57,520 --> 02:52:01,240
all of that is in the concession agreement that we've already executed. That is not in the ordinance that is before council today.

1362
02:52:04,560 --> 02:52:04,560
I want to point of order that thank you. Because the the way this is noticed is that the
Ordinance does govern

1363
02:52:14,690 --> 02:52:14,690
the installation, operation and maintenance,
And the operation should include data privacy.

1364
02:52:21,250 --> 02:52:21,250
so in my the way I read this I disagree with any attempt to shut down a discussion about
Data privacy and protecting data.

1365
02:52:30,850 --> 02:52:30,850
if I could answer that, it was never suggested to shut it down.

1366
02:52:35,090 --> 02:52:35,090
what we were referring to is what's in the ordinance for the actual license for the
Installation in the concession agreement,

1367
02:52:42,770 --> 02:52:42,770
section 5.8, page ten. And exhibit f talks about data collection and privacy.

1368
02:52:49,290 --> 02:52:49,290
it is actually in the concession agreement. So that's the that is the distinction that I'm
Trying to share that you have that spelled out in the concession piece,

1369
02:52:59,490 --> 02:53:02,450
which is not necessarily in the license agreement. It's a separate document. And so it's referenced in the document for you.

1370
02:53:08,060 --> 02:53:08,060
that's why I'm referring to the section in section 5.8,
Page ten, exhibit f.

1371
02:53:13,980 --> 02:53:13,980
city manager, I would just like to clarify and confirm what you just said.

1372
02:53:20,340 --> 02:53:20,340
to me or to the group, are you saying that when we had this briefing and there were very
Serious concerns raised and

1373
02:53:29,980 --> 02:53:29,980
questions that no staff person was able to answer,
That then you believe and you executed a contract?

1374
02:53:40,260 --> 02:53:40,260
yes, I believe this council directed the city manager to go back,
But I'll let her and not come back to us the direction.

1375
02:53:50,300 --> 02:53:53,780
and I'll have the staff actually spell out what you authorized. I think it was june 11th and I might have my date wrong,
But you asked us to move forward.

1376
02:53:59,420 --> 02:53:59,420
you gave approval to actually negotiate and execute a contract.

1377
02:54:03,700 --> 02:54:03,700
and so what I'm referring to is that the things that we heard in june,
And I'll just call out what those items were,

1378
02:54:10,500 --> 02:54:10,500
we heard about kiosk location and selection criteria from council member west,
And it was conversations around who's going to have the final approval.

1379
02:54:20,780 --> 02:54:23,180
we addressed that in the concession contract. Council member west also identified in that same meeting notification processes for
Property owners,

1380
02:54:29,500 --> 02:54:32,140
residents and stakeholders. We addressed that. Section 4.7, page seven council members and council member really had concerns around
Pedestrian access and ada compliance.

1381
02:54:41,140 --> 02:54:41,140
we addressed that in section 4.1, page five. Council member gracey had questions around
Kiosk heights,

1382
02:54:48,980 --> 02:54:48,980
numbers, the height of the kiosk, and the number in the placement.

1383
02:54:53,100 --> 02:54:53,100
it's addressed in section 2.1, page three. Council member really had questions around
Termination clause and could there could we terminate for cause or for breach

1384
02:55:03,030 --> 02:55:03,030
of contract? That's addressed section 14.1, page 21.

1385
02:55:08,870 --> 02:55:08,870
council member gracey had questions around what would be our concerns for dealing with
Routine cleaning,

1386
02:55:15,270 --> 02:55:15,270
what would be the maintenance requirements, and how would that be spelled out in the
Contract?

1387
02:55:19,510 --> 02:55:19,510
we've addressed it in the contract section 8.1,
Page 16, and council member and councilwoman mendelsohn.

1388
02:55:27,070 --> 02:55:27,070
there were questions around privacy, data security and protection.

1389
02:55:31,550 --> 02:55:31,550
we addressed it as well. Section 5.8, page ten and exhibit f.

1390
02:55:36,190 --> 02:55:36,190
so what I'm sharing is, is that the things that council authorized me to go and enter into
A contract,

1391
02:55:42,030 --> 02:55:42,030
these items that were presented in june that were communicated were addressed in the
Actual concession contract.

1392
02:55:51,070 --> 02:55:51,070
so, city attorney, can you just clarify for me,
Are you saying.

1393
02:55:59,560 --> 02:55:59,560
is it the process then, that we have no further say on this,
And that perhaps we should have directed negotiation and then have the

1394
02:56:09,040 --> 02:56:09,040
contract come back for approval? But because we didn't say that we are stuck with
Resolutions we may not agree with in this contract.

1395
02:56:20,280 --> 02:56:20,280
councils never stuck with anything. But there's two ways that,
Generally speaking, council approves a contract.

1396
02:56:28,280 --> 02:56:28,280
they either approve a resolution approving the contract which is already already
Completed,

1397
02:56:34,000 --> 02:56:34,000
or the council authorizes the city manager to enter into a contract.

1398
02:56:39,880 --> 02:56:39,880
and usually there are deal terms associated with that.

1399
02:56:44,320 --> 02:56:44,320
in this case, you authorize the city manager to negotiate and enter into a contract.

1400
02:56:49,480 --> 02:56:49,480
and that was it's completed. It is executed. So there may be an opportunity to amend the
Mend the contract later,

1401
02:56:57,200 --> 02:56:57,200
but that would require both parties to approve.

1402
02:57:02,960 --> 02:57:02,960
well, I hope there's a hush falling over every person who's listening to this
Conversation,

1403
02:57:08,880 --> 02:57:11,560
because we should never allow that to happen again. I did not understand that it wouldn't come back to us,
To tell you the truth. And I'm seriously concerned by this exhibit f.

1404
02:57:22,120 --> 02:57:22,120
so. For somebody that does consent with

1405
02:57:31,840 --> 02:57:31,840
ike. They are allowed to sell the state. Is that correct?

1406
02:57:39,080 --> 02:57:41,920
no, they are not. I'd like to clarify a couple of things. I took a moment to get up here and we were jockeying around,
So forgive me for that, but we got thrown off initially because you kept referencing

1407
02:57:49,480 --> 02:57:49,480
exhibit h, and I think you're talking about exhibit b,
And so that that threw us off for a second.

1408
02:57:55,290 --> 02:57:55,290
the the document entitled data collected by f right here.

1409
02:58:02,890 --> 02:58:04,930
sorry. It's got some of my writing on it again. Okay. I'm going to step in here that that exhibit that's being referenced we cannot speak
On.

1410
02:58:13,170 --> 02:58:13,170
okay. My next

1411
02:58:23,130 --> 02:58:23,130
question then is. I'm trying to make sure that I'm not infringing on those items.

1412
02:58:31,610 --> 02:58:31,610
and I do have a number of these. Is there a payment processing available on this kiosk?

1413
02:58:42,810 --> 02:58:42,810
point of order. State your point of order. I think the motion on the floor is an amendment
Specific to language.

1414
02:58:49,250 --> 02:58:49,250
and I don't believe this line of questioning is germane. Let's stick on the motion that
You've made.

1415
02:58:58,900 --> 02:58:58,900
chair mendelsohn. Okay. Then I will leave it at that chair.

1416
02:59:06,340 --> 02:59:06,340
ridley. I'm opposed to this item for the reasons that I originally cited in our
Discussions

1417
02:59:16,020 --> 02:59:16,020
earlier this year as to why this is a bad policy to license our right of way to a private
Company

1418
02:59:26,260 --> 02:59:26,260
who will erect these digital kiosks in a manner that obstructs our sidewalks,
And that either will result

1419
02:59:36,020 --> 02:59:36,020
in no installation of kiosks or lack of compliance with ada requirements.

1420
02:59:45,100 --> 02:59:45,100
in my district, at least, where we have narrow sidewalks and narrow right of way.

1421
02:59:51,420 --> 02:59:51,420
in addition, this license contravenes some of the.

1422
02:59:57,540 --> 02:59:57,540
understood terms that this council requested back when we had our original discussions.

1423
03:00:04,100 --> 03:00:04,100
in two respects. First, it provides for a term of ten years,
But it also allows the

1424
03:00:13,580 --> 03:00:13,580
vendor. If we can stick to the underlying amendment,
I am addressing the provision

1425
03:00:23,540 --> 03:00:23,540
in the ordinance. That is our agenda item that refers to a comprehensive interactive
Digital kiosk advertising

1426
03:00:33,220 --> 03:00:33,220
concession agreement. That's part of the agenda item.

1427
03:00:37,940 --> 03:00:37,940
but we are on the right to mendelsohn amendment.

1428
03:00:45,780 --> 03:00:45,780
well all right. I'll pass for further comments after the

1429
03:00:55,510 --> 03:00:55,510
amendment is decided. Thank you. Chair west. Thank you.

1430
03:01:06,670 --> 03:01:06,670
so this we're speaking on the the question the the amendment,
Which is to not tap into the electricity.

1431
03:01:13,230 --> 03:01:13,230
right. That's correct. I have no questions about that one. Council member roth.

1432
03:01:20,190 --> 03:01:20,190
I also was wanting a point of order. I'm not clear as to what amendment we're talking
About right now.

1433
03:01:26,270 --> 03:01:26,270
could you restate the amendment, please? Chair middleton,
If you can restate your amendment.

1434
03:01:33,790 --> 03:01:33,790
I'm not sure what the exact language was that I used,
But the idea of it is not to allow them to tap into the city's

1435
03:01:43,350 --> 03:01:43,350
power sources, including traffic signals and street lights.

1436
03:01:50,640 --> 03:01:53,760
I'd like to speak to to this issue. Go ahead. Not only do I support that amendment, I'm also concerned about other terms of the
Contract,

1437
03:01:59,840 --> 03:01:59,840
which we can't discuss. But I in looking at this ordinance,
I think there's a lot of unanswered questions.

1438
03:02:06,920 --> 03:02:06,920
I don't think that we have sufficient clarification on some of the monetary issues,
Even though they may be embedded into a contract or a lease.

1439
03:02:17,320 --> 03:02:17,320
and I would I'm going to vote for denying this ordinance.

1440
03:02:21,600 --> 03:02:21,600
thank you. Seeing no further discussion on chair mendelsohn.

1441
03:02:28,440 --> 03:02:28,440
chair stewart. I'm sorry. I'm laughing because of my struggle here.

1442
03:02:38,200 --> 03:02:38,200
not at the at what we're discussing. My confusion is what do we mean by city power
Resources or service resources.

1443
03:02:47,370 --> 03:02:47,370
is that correct? Did I get that right? I think we would have to ask the person that made
The yes if if we could just give clarification.

1444
03:02:56,690 --> 03:02:56,690
mendelsohn. Thank you. Sure. If you sick something on the sidewalk that needs power,
It's got to tap into something.

1445
03:03:02,650 --> 03:03:02,650
and my concern, based on our prior briefing,
Is that they might want to use our street lights.

1446
03:03:09,330 --> 03:03:09,330
they might want to use our traffic signals or other infrastructure that we have paid for,
That we maintain for public safety,

1447
03:03:17,890 --> 03:03:17,890
that we maintain for our roadways. And we would then be letting an outside vendor tap into
It.

1448
03:03:24,530 --> 03:03:24,530
we'd be paying for their electrical use, which that things lit up all the time.

1449
03:03:30,530 --> 03:03:30,530
sure. And you don't know that something malware won't go in and damage our system.

1450
03:03:36,730 --> 03:03:40,530
it should just be a completely separate item. And if they would like to tap in, I I think that's a whole different agreement,
Which I would not like to have anybody else negotiate.

1451
03:03:46,490 --> 03:03:46,490
thank you. So my question is if there is an encore piece of infrastructure,
I'm not going to try and name what that is and that

1452
03:03:55,770 --> 03:03:55,770
infrastructure, whether it's a cable line, whatever it is,
Is being used by the street light.

1453
03:04:01,450 --> 03:04:01,450
are we saying you don't want us to use that same source or we're just not tapping into the
Street light?

1454
03:04:07,930 --> 03:04:07,930
thank you. I think they need to be making an agreement with encore directly,
Or with the store that's adjacent to them.

1455
03:04:15,970 --> 03:04:15,970
if there's a business, they can tap in that way,
But not to tap into our infrastructure, meaning street lights,

1456
03:04:23,130 --> 03:04:23,130
which some we own, some are encore owned traffic signals.

1457
03:04:28,130 --> 03:04:31,730
there's probably other examples. These are the ones I've come up with. Flashing, flashing roadway signs would be one that that makes perfect sense.

1458
03:04:36,330 --> 03:04:36,330
but if we have some infrastructure that belongs to encore and we're using it for our
Flashing lights.

1459
03:04:43,460 --> 03:04:46,900
we could also use that same infrastructure for the kiosk. A separate agreement between the kiosk company and encore to do that.

1460
03:04:53,020 --> 03:04:56,940
they're free to contract with anybody they want. I'm saying not to use ours. Okay. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you.

1461
03:04:59,420 --> 03:04:59,420
chairman. Thank you. All right. Seeing no further discussion,
This this vote is on chair mendelsohn's

1462
03:05:09,540 --> 03:05:09,540
amendment. All in favor say aye. All opposed?

1463
03:05:15,380 --> 03:05:18,940
okay. Motion. It's too close. We're going to have to go record vote. Thank you, mr. Mayor. When I call your name,
Please say yes if you're in favor.

1464
03:05:22,380 --> 03:05:22,380
no. If you oppose council member west. No. Council member gracey.

1465
03:05:26,700 --> 03:05:26,700
no. Council member johnson. No. Council member resendez is absent when vote taken.

1466
03:05:33,180 --> 03:05:33,180
council member. Cadena. No. Council member. Bazaldua no.

1467
03:05:39,790 --> 03:05:43,590
council member blair. Council member council member. Blackmon no. Council member. Stewart. Yes. I'm sorry.

1468
03:05:48,190 --> 03:05:48,190
yes. Thank you. Council member. Roth. Yes. Council member.

1469
03:05:52,430 --> 03:05:52,430
mendelsohn. Yes. Council member. Ridley. Yes.

1470
03:05:56,710 --> 03:05:56,710
deputy mayor pro tem. Willis. Yes. Mayor pro tem moreno.

1471
03:06:02,350 --> 03:06:02,350
no. And mayor johnson is absent. Vote taken. With five voting in

1472
03:06:12,110 --> 03:06:15,870
favor, eight opposed to aspen. Vote taken. The amendment fails,
Mr. Mayor. Okay. And we're back to the main motion.

1473
03:06:19,910 --> 03:06:19,910
and we've heard from district seven, 12 and 14.

1474
03:06:25,710 --> 03:06:25,710
mr. Mayor, pro tem chair johnson, I would like to call the question question has been
Called.

1475
03:06:34,150 --> 03:06:34,150
no discussion. Is there a second? There's a motion and a second.

1476
03:06:42,190 --> 03:06:42,190
there's no discussion. Not debatable. And this will require a two thirds vote,
Madam secretary.

1477
03:06:51,310 --> 03:06:51,310
thank you, mr. Mayor. When I call your name,
Please state yes if you're in favor. No. If you oppose council member west.

1478
03:06:56,270 --> 03:07:00,190
no. Council member. Gracey. Yes. Councilmember. Johnson. Yes. Councilmember resendez is absent when vote taken.

1479
03:07:04,630 --> 03:07:08,550
councilmember. Kadena. Yes. Councilmember. Bazaldua. Yes. Councilmember. Blair. Yes. Councilmember.

1480
03:07:12,230 --> 03:07:12,230
blackmon. Yes. Councilmember. Stewart. No. Councilmember.

1481
03:07:16,270 --> 03:07:16,270
roth. No. Councilmember mendelsohn. No. Councilmember.

1482
03:07:21,390 --> 03:07:21,390
ridley. Deputy mayor pro tem. Willis. Yes. Mayor pro tem moreno.

1483
03:07:28,070 --> 03:07:28,070
yes. Mayor johnson is absent. Vote taken. With

1484
03:07:38,040 --> 03:07:38,040
eight voting in favor, five opposed, two assam vote taken.

1485
03:07:42,160 --> 03:07:42,160
the call fails. Mr. Mayor. Okay. Chair johnson,
Did you still want.

1486
03:07:48,760 --> 03:07:51,640
okay. Okay. Anyone else? I'd like to be recognized. I'm going to see if there's anyone else on the first round for a motion.

1487
03:07:57,200 --> 03:07:59,720
alright, so seeing no one else on the first round. Chair mendelsohn. Thank you. I'd like to move that.

1488
03:08:03,600 --> 03:08:03,600
should they be allowed to tap into any electrical sources of the city,
That they are responsible for the cost,

1489
03:08:11,320 --> 03:08:11,320
as well as any damage to the infrastructure? Second.

1490
03:08:16,840 --> 03:08:16,840
okay. There is a motion and a second. I'll chair mendelsohn.

1491
03:08:26,040 --> 03:08:26,040
I think it's pretty straightforward. I don't really have comments. Chair johnson.

1492
03:08:36,810 --> 03:08:36,810
I don't know what's going on over here. I was not in the queue. Council member. Bazaldua.
Yes.

1493
03:08:42,570 --> 03:08:42,570
daisy or ahmad? Can you it's my understanding that they're not tapping into ours.

1494
03:08:47,770 --> 03:08:47,770
I'm just wondering. I feel like the whole last motion and debate was really a moot point.

1495
03:08:53,890 --> 03:08:53,890
so is is the expectation for them to use our electricity or utility infrastructure?

1496
03:09:01,410 --> 03:09:01,410
council member. I think the director of transportation made that clear that they are not
Tapping into any of the city sources,

1497
03:09:08,370 --> 03:09:12,130
and that if they wanted to tap into any other sources,
They would have to apply. Is that correct, gus? So I think the director of transportation made that clear,
Sir.

1498
03:09:16,370 --> 03:09:16,370
yeah, I just I thought it was clear, too. That's why I'm not really understanding why we
Would take up a motion.

1499
03:09:21,010 --> 03:09:21,010
that is a moot point. And and doesn't really it's not applicable to the contract that
We're taking up on this agenda.

1500
03:09:29,970 --> 03:09:29,970
so I will not be supporting it. I think that it's just a delay tactic.

1501
03:09:34,010 --> 03:09:34,010
I'm not understanding if somebody wants to vote against this item,
Just vote against it.

1502
03:09:39,010 --> 03:09:39,010
thank you. Chair mendelsohn. Thank you. I think

1503
03:09:48,850 --> 03:09:48,850
you actually said the exact word, the expectations,
Which is completely different than requiring it in the ordinance.

1504
03:09:56,810 --> 03:10:00,530
we deserve to have that legal authority for it to be in there. And it's interesting that folks don't seem to want to hold that accountability.

1505
03:10:07,090 --> 03:10:07,090
we may end up having changes in staff. Anybody in this room?

1506
03:10:12,130 --> 03:10:12,130
certainly the council will turn over. And what we need to do is ensure that our residents
Are not left bearing the cost of electricity for

1507
03:10:22,410 --> 03:10:22,410
kiosks, and the damage that they could cause to our system should not be left to the
Taxpayer.

1508
03:10:30,620 --> 03:10:30,620
it should be on the business that is greatly profiting from this venture.

1509
03:10:35,900 --> 03:10:35,900
so if we can't hold people accountable to that level,
There is something so fundamentally broken about this process.

1510
03:10:46,180 --> 03:10:49,940
we can already see how fast this thing is moving. Questionable, the lobbying that's happening for this item and how this is going down.

1511
03:10:56,220 --> 03:10:56,220
but the bare minimum we can do is ask them to pay for their own electricity and any damage
They cause,

1512
03:11:03,420 --> 03:11:03,420
and make sure it's in writing, not just an expectation.

1513
03:11:08,220 --> 03:11:08,220
thank you. All right. Seeing no one else on the queue,
We are voting on chair mendelson's amendment.

1514
03:11:16,580 --> 03:11:16,580
all in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Madam city secretary.

1515
03:11:22,420 --> 03:11:25,380
thank you, mr. Mayor. When I call your name,
Please state. Yes, if you're in favor. No. If you oppose council member west.

1516
03:11:30,710 --> 03:11:30,710
yes. Council member. Gracey. No. Council member johnson.

1517
03:11:35,190 --> 03:11:35,190
no. Council member resendez is absent when vote taken.

1518
03:11:39,710 --> 03:11:43,630
council member. No. Council member. Bazaldua. No. Council member. Blair. No. Council member.

1519
03:11:47,550 --> 03:11:47,550
blackmon. Yes. Council member. Stewart. Yes. Council member.

1520
03:11:51,910 --> 03:11:51,910
roth. Yes. Council member. Mendelsohn. Yes. Council member.

1521
03:11:56,310 --> 03:11:56,310
ridley. Yes. Deputy mayor pro tem. Willis. Yes.

1522
03:12:03,630 --> 03:12:03,630
mayor pro tem moreno. Yes. Mayor johnson is absent.

1523
03:12:08,710 --> 03:12:08,710
vote taken. With eight voting in favor, five opposed,
Two absent.

1524
03:12:17,590 --> 03:12:17,590
vote taken. The amendment passes, mr. Mayor. All right,
We're back on the main motion.

1525
03:12:25,520 --> 03:12:25,520
and we have heard from. All right, chair west.

1526
03:12:29,920 --> 03:12:29,920
go ahead. Five minutes. Thank you. Mayor. A few questions for staff.

1527
03:12:34,800 --> 03:12:34,800
and thank you for getting back to me with my my questions from yesterday.

1528
03:12:40,200 --> 03:12:40,200
so I'm looking in the contract that we're being or the ordinance rather that we're being
Asked to approve today.

1529
03:12:47,040 --> 03:12:47,040
and I see under section four that the victory sign district in west village sign districts
Are excluded from kiosk placement.

1530
03:12:56,600 --> 03:12:58,880
who made this request? Where did this come from? I don't believe we can talk about place at one second.

1531
03:13:02,800 --> 03:13:02,800
hold on. This is literally in the ordinance. Word for word.

1532
03:13:07,080 --> 03:13:07,080
okay. Go ahead. Thank you. So I'd like to just jump in for just a second.

1533
03:13:11,240 --> 03:13:14,400
I didn't go through every single piece of june. We went through the request that we were asked to make sure that got put into the
Contract.

1534
03:13:18,520 --> 03:13:18,520
this came up quite extensively, that we have certain parts of our city that already have
You know,

1535
03:13:24,320 --> 03:13:27,520
districts that already have some type of a digital program. And we were asked to make sure that those programs were not impacted by this,
This program.

1536
03:13:32,920 --> 03:13:32,920
those two were actually identified by this body that we wanted to include those in
Exclusions.

1537
03:13:38,960 --> 03:13:38,960
so that's how those two came about. It was based on the conversation around this
Horseshoe.

1538
03:13:43,800 --> 03:13:47,720
okay. So there wasn't a specific person or group that asked for this. It just was generally gleaned from staff from conversations that came from the horseshoe.

1539
03:13:52,800 --> 03:13:52,800
I don't think it's generally, but I'll have to definitely defer to staff. I think it was
Those came up as examples where there's already specific signs in

1540
03:14:02,640 --> 03:14:02,640
those districts that already have contracts and agreements in place specifically about
Digital,

1541
03:14:08,240 --> 03:14:08,240
not static digital. And we were asked to make sure that those would not be impacted.

1542
03:14:12,800 --> 03:14:12,800
I'll have to go back and have staff to give me if it was a specific council member,
But it was part of the conversation that happened with the city council.

1543
03:14:23,570 --> 03:14:23,570
and do we know why other signed districts were excluded or not included in this?

1544
03:14:30,210 --> 03:14:30,210
the development of the actual request for proposal and the specifications was a
Collaborative effort between the planning and development department and the public

1545
03:14:39,690 --> 03:14:39,690
transportation and public works. So I believe we have representatives from both here to
Kind of speak on the reasons for certain districts to be included and not but

1546
03:14:49,650 --> 03:14:49,650
I did want to bring up that the section for reference in the ordinance does correspond
With previously established districts that are delineated in

1547
03:14:59,290 --> 03:14:59,290
section 51a of the dallas development code as well.

1548
03:15:07,770 --> 03:15:07,770
hi. Jason poole, assistant director for planning and development department.

1549
03:15:12,090 --> 03:15:12,090
per the sign code in 51 a 7.2 14, it gives provisions for city kiosks.

1550
03:15:20,740 --> 03:15:24,100
they are to be done according to a kiosk program. And it prohibits them being located in the victory and west village sign districts.

1551
03:15:29,980 --> 03:15:29,980
and do you have specific information on why other districts were excluded?

1552
03:15:34,420 --> 03:15:37,460
like, these are just two very particular districts. Maybe I'm just missing the I'm not grasping the answer,
But that's what I'm looking for.

1553
03:15:42,340 --> 03:15:42,340
sure. Those special provision sign districts have kiosk provisions already in them.

1554
03:15:48,020 --> 03:15:48,020
and I think it's to to honor those that are already in place.

1555
03:15:52,300 --> 03:15:52,300
okay. Thank you. I think I know the answer to this one,
But under seven f in the ordinance we are approving today.

1556
03:15:59,300 --> 03:15:59,300
there are quite a few references to the word vehicular.

1557
03:16:03,900 --> 03:16:07,860
can you just give me an indication or maybe this is for city attorney. What is the definition of vehicular? I primarily want to know if it includes bicycles or
Not.

1558
03:16:18,260 --> 03:16:18,260
I'm going to ask miss sanchez to come up. I believe they had that discussion last night,
I think.

1559
03:16:23,900 --> 03:16:23,900
I thought you guys were working on that. My main concern here is that we're not going to
Be impeding cyclists

1560
03:16:34,180 --> 03:16:34,180
because that's a lot of references to cars. We don't want to,
God forbid, you know, get in front of a car or mess up our vehicles.

1561
03:16:42,740 --> 03:16:45,500
but we are putting this in the pedestrian right of way. What about bicycles? Hello, willow sanchez, city attorney's office.

1562
03:16:54,540 --> 03:16:54,540
so the definition from the transportation code section 541.201 defines a vehicle as a
Device that can be used to

1563
03:17:04,340 --> 03:17:04,340
transport or draw, draw persons or property on a highway.

1564
03:17:10,940 --> 03:17:10,940
and then it gives exclusions. The term does not include a device exclusively used on
Stationary rails or tracks,

1565
03:17:19,910 --> 03:17:19,910
or that is manufactured housing, as that term is defined in another section of the
Occupations code.

1566
03:17:26,590 --> 03:17:26,590
so it's a broad definition. Do you believe it to include bicycles?

1567
03:17:32,310 --> 03:17:32,310
I'm not going to opine on what the code includes or does not include,
But it does sound like if it is a vehicle that is used to draw

1568
03:17:42,190 --> 03:17:42,190
persons or property onto a highway. I've read through the original contract.

1569
03:17:50,030 --> 03:17:53,270
I know we can't talk about it. My colleague said bicycle is included. Okay. I'm not the transportation attorney. I feel good about it. I was just hoping staff
Would say that. Yes. Thank you. Can I point out, though, that the full definition it says

1570
03:18:01,870 --> 03:18:01,870
upon highway? Highway is also a defined term that means any publicly maintained way,
Including its widths that open for

1571
03:18:11,150 --> 03:18:11,150
public vehicular traffic, covering everything from major roads to small public roads,
Essentially defining the entire public road system.

1572
03:18:21,760 --> 03:18:21,760
I don't think we need to all right. Section seven.

1573
03:18:26,240 --> 03:18:26,240
who is the person who or individual who determines what unreasonably interferes with
During the siting,

1574
03:18:34,640 --> 03:18:34,640
the locating of kiosks, because it refers to they're not going to be located somewhere if
It unreasonably interferes with and there's a laundry list of stuff,

1575
03:18:43,600 --> 03:18:43,600
who makes that determination on staff or council?

1576
03:18:47,720 --> 03:18:50,480
where does that happen? Thank you for the question. The director of the transportation and public works department will be responsible for
Reviewing the siting plans,

1577
03:18:59,760 --> 03:18:59,760
ensuring that they meet the siting criteria and design guidelines. And ultimately,
The approval will come from that director.

1578
03:19:07,480 --> 03:19:07,480
okay. When we had this discussion back in june.

1579
03:19:13,880 --> 03:19:13,880
my understanding was that there would be an opportunity for stakeholders to provide
Feedback on the location.

1580
03:19:22,520 --> 03:19:22,520
the siting of these kiosks it sounds like there is upon reading this,
There is, as you mentioned,

1581
03:19:29,640 --> 03:19:29,640
city manager, an opportunity for stakeholder feedback,
Council member feedback.

1582
03:19:34,000 --> 03:19:34,000
but the ultimate decision is made is the way I understand it by the director of
Transportation.

1583
03:19:39,280 --> 03:19:39,280
is that correct? I'll have staff to read the exact language,
But we did hear that there needed to be a process,

1584
03:19:45,440 --> 03:19:49,240
and it needed to be a defined process that we put into the contract. So we have everything from that stakeholder input would be a formal process of all
Property owners,

1585
03:19:57,120 --> 03:19:57,120
other relevant stakeholders, including city council members from the district within 200ft
Of where the actual kiosk is being

1586
03:20:06,880 --> 03:20:06,880
installed. It talks about including a comment period.

1587
03:20:11,850 --> 03:20:11,850
there is a date time frame in there. I think it's a 45 day window that is built into that
Whole stakeholder notice process.

1588
03:20:19,330 --> 03:20:19,330
but one of the things that we what we heard in june from council,
And we wanted to make sure that it was very clear there would still need to be a decision

1589
03:20:27,850 --> 03:20:30,770
made and who would be best to make that decision. And so, based on the fact that all of our infrastructure components across the city roll
Up to the decision and the expertise of our

1590
03:20:40,330 --> 03:20:40,330
transportation and public works director that director works at the will of the city
Manager.

1591
03:20:47,330 --> 03:20:51,290
so at the end of the day, there is a process that's been built in. That director will be making his decision based on his expertise,
But then that ultimate decision will be something that will be shared.

1592
03:20:57,690 --> 03:20:57,690
and we can definitely come back and make sure that council is aware of once that process
Is completed.

1593
03:21:02,850 --> 03:21:02,850
but it does have the time frame built in. We heard very clearly that it didn't need to
Just be the property owners.

1594
03:21:08,780 --> 03:21:08,780
there could be situations where stakeholders who may not be the property owner would also
Need an opportunity to give input,

1595
03:21:15,500 --> 03:21:19,420
so that is spelled out in the actual concession contract. Thank you. All right. No more questions for now.

1596
03:21:23,620 --> 03:21:26,820
thanks. Council member bazaldua three minutes. Thank you. It is there any guarantee on where those placements are in its proximity to the
Current kiosks

1597
03:21:36,780 --> 03:21:36,780
where, where that still exist, that they would be removed with the placement of.

1598
03:21:45,820 --> 03:21:45,820
thank you for that question. So the current item includes a resolution to authorize the
City manager to pay the termination fee associated with

1599
03:21:56,020 --> 03:21:59,820
removing the static kiosks that are currently on the right of way. And so pending on the outcome of today's discussions,
That notice will provide will be provided to the vendor and the plan is to remove all of

1600
03:22:08,190 --> 03:22:08,190
those kiosks. I knew the answer. I just wanted you to put it on record because what what I
Want to make very clear because I think that,

1601
03:22:15,870 --> 03:22:19,390
you know councilmember west is making good points. I think that he's always been a champion for multimodal infrastructure in our city.

1602
03:22:24,830 --> 03:22:24,830
just the simple resolution to remove ourselves or rid ourselves of an existing contract
With those kiosks that exist on our sidewalk

1603
03:22:34,790 --> 03:22:34,790
right of way. Now, the removal of them with the size difference and the replacement with
Our new potential vendor will result in a net

1604
03:22:44,390 --> 03:22:48,390
positive of right of way space that has now become available. I also encourage all colleagues, really, if there is a concern on what this does,
Because I think that we have a pretty clear consensus around this body

1605
03:22:58,230 --> 03:22:58,230
to support multimodal infrastructure. We don't want to promote anything that's going to be
An impediment on pedestrians to have a more walkable city

1606
03:23:08,070 --> 03:23:11,350
or for bikes. I appreciate the question of the bikes. Bikes truly belong on our roads, and that's why we will continue to invest in our bike
Infrastructure.

1607
03:23:18,390 --> 03:23:18,390
however, when you look at the cities where the kiosks from this particular vendor already
Exist,

1608
03:23:25,310 --> 03:23:25,310
I would argue that the majority of them are already more walkable of a city.

1609
03:23:30,110 --> 03:23:30,110
and so if these kiosks were an impediment, I think that we would have clear data to
Support that,

1610
03:23:37,470 --> 03:23:37,470
but it's just not accurate. One of the things that really stuck out to me was the unique
Placement that was very strategic in every city that I have seen them,

1611
03:23:46,550 --> 03:23:46,550
and how it really hugs up against that curb. It's usually on places where there are is
Plenty much of a setback when it hugs up against that curb,

1612
03:23:55,910 --> 03:23:55,910
it's not any more of an impediment as a parking meter or a tree with the the roots
Surrounded by a

1613
03:24:05,720 --> 03:24:05,720
barrier or border of some sort. And so I just wanted to to address the points that were
Being made,

1614
03:24:12,080 --> 03:24:12,080
that the way that this is already structured,
The way that the business model already exists,

1615
03:24:17,360 --> 03:24:17,360
and the simple fact that this would be replacing an old product that is much larger,
We're already looking at this action resulting in more right of way being available to

1616
03:24:27,800 --> 03:24:27,800
our pedestrians. Thank you. And councilman bazaldua,
I just want to point out you talked about the static kiosk.

1617
03:24:33,200 --> 03:24:33,200
so there's a termination fee involved, but that's a reimbursement that ike will pay on the
City's behalf.

1618
03:24:38,720 --> 03:24:42,640
so the city is not paying that that termination fee. And and if I could just add one more thing and thank you so much.

1619
03:24:45,760 --> 03:24:45,760
and thank you, mr. Guri, for explaining that whole termination fee.

1620
03:24:50,120 --> 03:24:50,120
and remember that as part of this agreement,
You've already limited the number of units that can actually be installed.

1621
03:24:55,920 --> 03:24:55,920
so when we talk about the he the the new program,
If it's approved to move forward with this license agreement,

1622
03:25:03,810 --> 03:25:03,810
the the the distillation of the existing ones would happen before any new ones would be
Replaced into those areas.

1623
03:25:11,050 --> 03:25:14,130
and we're still limited to only having 50 done per year. So that's actually spelled out. And that was a provision that council asked us to consider
In june.

1624
03:25:18,850 --> 03:25:22,690
and it's built into the contract. So thank you very much. Chair ridley three minutes. Mr. Mayor, I actually did not speak on the underlying motion
Before.

1625
03:25:29,330 --> 03:25:33,250
I only spoke on the amendment. Have you down as speaking? But I'll check with madam. Well, I only spoke once,
And that was on the amendment.

1626
03:25:40,010 --> 03:25:40,010
but I think three minutes we both have you down as speaking.

1627
03:25:44,330 --> 03:25:44,330
alright, well, I just want to preface my remarks about this license agreement by saying
That I am

1628
03:25:54,130 --> 03:25:54,130
surprised that it has not been submitted to the full council for approval of the
Underlying license agreement,

1629
03:26:03,090 --> 03:26:03,090
the concession contract. I understood that in june,
We authorized the city manager to negotiate a contract,

1630
03:26:11,530 --> 03:26:11,530
but that we would have the right of approval once we saw what terms she had negotiated.

1631
03:26:17,210 --> 03:26:17,210
but she has gone ahead and executed the agreement without consulting the council.

1632
03:26:23,570 --> 03:26:26,490
I think that is putting the cart before the horse. And I will register my opposition to that. But I have a question for you,
Daisy, with regard to the

1633
03:26:35,770 --> 03:26:35,770
questions that council member west asked you about,
Section seven f of the license with regard to who determines

1634
03:26:45,730 --> 03:26:45,730
whether the kiosk interferes with or impedes impedes the flow of pedestrian or vehicular
Traffic.

1635
03:26:52,410 --> 03:26:52,410
and your response was the director of transportation and public works,
Which is fine.

1636
03:26:57,380 --> 03:26:57,380
where is that written? All of that is outlined in the actual contract.

1637
03:27:05,460 --> 03:27:05,460
no it's not. It identifies only the director of communications and customer experience as
The person appointed by the city

1638
03:27:15,380 --> 03:27:15,380
and authorized to act with respect to any and all matters pertaining to this agreement in
Definition.

1639
03:27:21,500 --> 03:27:21,500
section 1.4. So where is it written that the transportation director has control over the
Usage of

1640
03:27:31,460 --> 03:27:31,460
the right of way that he is charged with responsibility for?

1641
03:27:38,780 --> 03:27:38,780
I'll have if it's okay for me to ask willow,
The the attorney, I know that we reviewed the contract to identify all the different

1642
03:27:46,380 --> 03:27:46,380
locations where director was referenced. Yes.

1643
03:27:51,580 --> 03:27:51,580
we're talking about the contract.

1644
03:28:10,230 --> 03:28:10,230
below sanchez city attorney's office. Your question,
If you wouldn't mind repeating it.

1645
03:28:17,070 --> 03:28:17,070
sure. I believe it was always understood that the director of transportation would have
Authority for decisions on how

1646
03:28:27,070 --> 03:28:27,070
the right of way under this license agreement would be utilized in terms of the location
Of the kiosks within that right of way.

1647
03:28:35,910 --> 03:28:35,910
and I have noted that section 1.4 of the concession contract identifies instead the
Director of the office of

1648
03:28:45,870 --> 03:28:45,870
communications in 311. I don't see anywhere in this contract that the transportation
Director has any

1649
03:28:55,480 --> 03:28:55,480
authority in making that kind of a decision? Is that not correct?

1650
03:29:01,560 --> 03:29:01,560
I would disagree. I do agree that the definition that you cite in section 1.4,
Where it defines director,

1651
03:29:10,240 --> 03:29:10,240
does refer to the director of the office of communications and customer experience.

1652
03:29:14,480 --> 03:29:14,480
slash 311. However, in article four, which is titled uses and privileges,
It is there where we talk through the citing and the

1653
03:29:23,440 --> 03:29:23,440
requirements and towards the bottom of the first paragraph.

1654
03:29:28,680 --> 03:29:28,680
it does define the department as the city's department of transportation and public works,

1655
03:29:35,520 --> 03:29:35,520
and it says that the department defined as tp,
The department director, is required to follow the city's design guide,

1656
03:29:45,120 --> 03:29:45,120
rfp and all applicable laws in that sentence was in response to the previous sentences in
Here,

1657
03:29:53,040 --> 03:29:53,040
where there were discussions about what are the siting requirements and can they be
Changed or modified.

1658
03:30:01,120 --> 03:30:01,120
and so the intent point of order council member bazaldua state your point of order.

1659
03:30:06,120 --> 03:30:08,760
I don't believe this is pertaining to the license agreement. This is more in regards to the contract that's already been approved. If I may respond,
The city manager has already referenced on several occasions the

1660
03:30:18,720 --> 03:30:18,720
concession contract. I'd like to hear from the presiding officer on my point of order.

1661
03:30:23,040 --> 03:30:23,040
overruled. Okay. You may continue. So the intent in writing to the department director of
The

1662
03:30:33,040 --> 03:30:33,040
transportation and public works director is because it is that director that has the
Purview for anything relating to the physical infrastructure.

1663
03:30:42,600 --> 03:30:42,600
and that's what article four is about. So that was the intent of that?

1664
03:30:46,970 --> 03:30:46,970
well, the authority of the transportation director is limited to.

1665
03:30:52,770 --> 03:30:52,770
the. Issuance of permits seeking any, including seeking permits from the city's department
Of transportation and public works for

1666
03:31:02,610 --> 03:31:02,610
each kiosk site. So that's a ministerial function to receive a building permit in that
Right of way.

1667
03:31:11,130 --> 03:31:11,130
it doesn't give him any administrative authority over locational criteria.

1668
03:31:17,730 --> 03:31:17,730
it was the intent of the parties to give the director of transportation and public works
Purview and authority over everything relating to the physical infrastructure,

1669
03:31:27,250 --> 03:31:30,810
compliance with the relevant siting codes, regulations,
Etc.. Exactly my point. And yet the contract doesn't provide that.

1670
03:31:35,370 --> 03:31:35,370
that's chair. Chair. Again, we cannot discuss the contract.

1671
03:31:39,650 --> 03:31:43,090
why? Because it's not before us. It's not posted. Well, it is by reference in the ordinance that we are being asked to approve,
Which refers to rights granted under a comprehensive

1672
03:31:52,500 --> 03:31:52,500
interactive digital kiosk advertising concession agreement.

1673
03:31:56,860 --> 03:31:56,860
our city attorney has already made a guided us on this,
And I'm going to ask you to stick to the license agreement that's before us

1674
03:32:06,820 --> 03:32:06,820
today. Well, I have already referenced section seven f of the license agreement,
Which provides for the authority of the city to

1675
03:32:16,140 --> 03:32:16,140
determine when a kiosk interferes with the flow of pedestrian or vehicular traffic.

1676
03:32:22,140 --> 03:32:22,140
and it's incidental to that provision to know who at the city has such authority.

1677
03:32:41,220 --> 03:32:41,220
just keep it. You. You're right there on on the cusp.

1678
03:32:45,300 --> 03:32:45,300
so go ahead. Continue. Alright. Well so, willow,
Can you tell me how this license agreement gives any authority to

1679
03:32:55,340 --> 03:32:55,340
the transportation director to have input on the location of kiosks within the right of
Way that he is charged with responsibility for?

1680
03:33:07,940 --> 03:33:07,940
I'd like to call my colleague consuela tankersley.

1681
03:33:12,980 --> 03:33:12,980
phoned a friend. Yes. The drafter.

1682
03:33:27,060 --> 03:33:30,580
connie tankersley with the city attorney's office. So under the ordinance I'll just acknowledge that you're correct.

1683
03:33:35,260 --> 03:33:35,260
it doesn't explicitly call out the director of public works and transportation,
But it does allow the director of the of communications or their designee.

1684
03:33:44,430 --> 03:33:44,430
and so it's presumed since she would she obviously does not have the authority under the
Code.

1685
03:33:50,190 --> 03:33:50,190
under the city code to administer anything with regard to the right of ways of the city of
Dallas,

1686
03:33:55,430 --> 03:33:55,430
that she would be required to get her designee who is authorized under the city code,
And that individual would be the director of the department of public works and

1687
03:34:04,230 --> 03:34:04,230
transportation. However, you know, just to be clear,
If you would like I mean, we can easily add that to the ordinance.

1688
03:34:12,510 --> 03:34:12,510
just for that clarification to to define who the designee is.

1689
03:34:16,910 --> 03:34:16,910
yes. I would request that that be done. Okay.

1690
03:34:21,350 --> 03:34:25,190
does that require a formal motion for an amendment? Yeah. Well, I so move at this time. I'm going to let our city secretary weigh in.

1691
03:34:32,430 --> 03:34:32,430
sorry. City attorney. I think if it's just clarifying the who,
The who the director is.

1692
03:34:38,960 --> 03:34:42,080
I don't think it's it's substantive that needs a motion. We will go ahead and make it clearer. We'll just correct it.

1693
03:34:45,600 --> 03:34:45,600
very good. Okay. Very good. Thank you. The other issue that I have with this is the term
Of the agreement set forth in the license of ten years.

1694
03:34:55,440 --> 03:34:55,440
there is a trap in this deal with ike that would allow them to avoid that ten year term

1695
03:35:05,440 --> 03:35:05,440
by just installing 99 kiosks. That is your time.

1696
03:35:09,520 --> 03:35:09,520
and I believe that's your time, sir. That needs to be addressed to staff.

1697
03:35:13,680 --> 03:35:13,680
answer that and then we'll go to the next individual.

1698
03:35:22,680 --> 03:35:22,680
I'm sorry the question wasn't completed, so we don't have the complete question to provide
An answer.

1699
03:35:30,880 --> 03:35:34,040
mayor pro tem, I'd like to call the question. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Second. All right.

1700
03:35:40,520 --> 03:35:40,520
madam city secretary. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Point of information.

1701
03:35:44,680 --> 03:35:44,680
what? What? Could you restate the question? The the the motion is to call the question.

1702
03:35:52,920 --> 03:35:56,160
thank you, mr. Mayor. When I call your name,
Please say yes if you're in favor. No. If you opposed council member west. No. Council member.

1703
03:36:00,000 --> 03:36:00,000
gracey. Yes. Councilmember. Johnson. Yes. Councilmember resendez is absent.

1704
03:36:05,320 --> 03:36:05,320
one vote taken. Councilmember. Cadena. Yes. Councilmember.

1705
03:36:09,760 --> 03:36:09,760
bazaldua. Yes. Councilmember. Blair. Yes. Councilmember.

1706
03:36:14,320 --> 03:36:14,320
blackmon. Yes. Council member. Stewart. No. Councilmember.

1707
03:36:19,120 --> 03:36:22,880
roth. No. Councilmember. Mendelsohn. No. Councilmember. Ridley. No. Deputy mayor pro tem. Willis. Yes.

1708
03:36:27,520 --> 03:36:27,520
mayor pro tem moreno. Yes. And mayor johnson is absent.

1709
03:36:33,160 --> 03:36:33,160
no. I've been here for ten minutes. Thank you.

1710
03:36:37,370 --> 03:36:37,370
no, it's noted, mr. Mayor. Thank you. Sorry. No to the.

1711
03:36:42,850 --> 03:36:46,570
I got you, mr. Mayor. And a no to being absent. Noted, mr. Mayor.

1712
03:36:57,170 --> 03:36:57,170
with eight voting in favor, six opposed, one absent vote taken.

1713
03:37:01,490 --> 03:37:01,490
the call fails, mr. Mayor. Okay, so we are now going to go to council member roth for five
Minutes.

1714
03:37:19,170 --> 03:37:19,170
okay. Council member gracey. No. Okay. Alright.

1715
03:37:25,530 --> 03:37:25,530
chair mendelsohn for three minutes. Thank you.

1716
03:37:29,970 --> 03:37:29,970
so, in the description of this item, it says the words maintaining digital city kiosks.

1717
03:37:36,260 --> 03:37:39,980
so my questions about maintaining digital city kiosks. And if you could tell us what the standards are.

1718
03:37:43,180 --> 03:37:43,180
I'm sorry. Standards are for that maintenance.

1719
03:37:49,860 --> 03:37:49,860
thank you for the question. So at a high level,
I will conduct regular maintenance and cleaning repairs.

1720
03:37:57,860 --> 03:37:57,860
will be completed at a frequency of five days per week and one weekend day and shall
Include,

1721
03:38:03,020 --> 03:38:03,020
but is not limited to inspections, trash removal,
Graffiti removal, system testing, cleaning and disinfecting coating

1722
03:38:12,500 --> 03:38:12,500
applications, paint touch ups, minor repairs,
And escalation of issues if additional repairs are needed.

1723
03:38:18,860 --> 03:38:18,860
ihc has also committed to provide 24 hour, seven day a week remote monitoring for outages,

1724
03:38:24,140 --> 03:38:24,140
intrusion detection, troubleshooting, system override,
System upgrades, etc.

1725
03:38:30,100 --> 03:38:30,100
so I'm hearing you say remote monitoring and that they're willing to work five days a
Week.

1726
03:38:34,150 --> 03:38:34,150
but I didn't hear a service level agreement. Where there's a bullet hole,
There's problematic graffiti that they say

1727
03:38:44,030 --> 03:38:44,030
they will resolve that within a day. They'll resolve it within two days a week,
A month.

1728
03:38:50,150 --> 03:38:50,150
so there is oh go ahead. I think the city manager was sorry city manager.

1729
03:38:56,510 --> 03:38:56,510
the 24 hour period that she's talking about is to make sure that if there are issues that
Are identified outside of that visual five day a week

1730
03:39:05,990 --> 03:39:08,950
inspection, that they're able to address those issues. So that's why the 24 hour, seven days a week remote monitoring is also important,
Since these are digital units that are able to actually monitor what the units are

1731
03:39:18,870 --> 03:39:18,870
actually doing remotely and then be able to respond accordingly.

1732
03:39:23,390 --> 03:39:23,390
the details around the timeframe to actually respond,
I think, is also address, but I'd have to ask staff to point that out.

1733
03:39:33,790 --> 03:39:33,790
I would like to hear that, because I think remote monitoring might mean something
Different to you than me.

1734
03:39:39,150 --> 03:39:42,710
remote monitoring does not mean you're coming to address the issue. It means you're aware of it. We do remote monitoring on our 311.

1735
03:39:47,230 --> 03:39:47,230
doesn't mean we actually go out and address the problem.

1736
03:39:51,310 --> 03:39:51,310
so thank you. The contract does outline like an escalation process.

1737
03:39:56,030 --> 03:39:56,030
we're going to have a dedicated email and contact related to within those 20.

1738
03:40:00,990 --> 03:40:00,990
either something is determined during the 24 hour monitoring or during the actual physical
Review of each kiosk

1739
03:40:10,750 --> 03:40:10,750
during the week. There is an escalation process if needed.

1740
03:40:14,910 --> 03:40:17,510
now as it relates to the actual sla, the contract. I'm sorry. So I would actually just like to know what is the time frame we have an issue.

1741
03:40:23,470 --> 03:40:23,470
when do they have to come fix it? The way the contract is currently written is the vendor
Has committed to contract with a local vendor

1742
03:40:33,480 --> 03:40:33,480
and then the sla based off of that contract. The sla agreement is going to be determined
And submitted and reviewed with the city at that time.

1743
03:40:44,120 --> 03:40:47,280
so you don't know they're just going to hire a local vendor. But again, it could be a day, a week, a month,
A year.

1744
03:40:51,640 --> 03:40:51,640
you don't know. So councilwoman in section 8.1,
Page 16, ike will conduct

1745
03:41:01,280 --> 03:41:01,280
regular maintenance and cleaning repairs and will be completed at a frequency of five days
A week per week in one weekend.

1746
03:41:10,200 --> 03:41:10,200
so this the language says that they will do this.

1747
03:41:15,120 --> 03:41:15,120
it says they're going to work. And if 100 kiosks are damaged,
They're not going to be able to do them.

1748
03:41:22,880 --> 03:41:22,880
all right. I mean, or they might decide they're just not going to.

1749
03:41:28,050 --> 03:41:28,050
we're responsible for a lot of things that we don't do on a timely basis.

1750
03:41:33,770 --> 03:41:33,770
so it needs to say in a contract what the response level is.

1751
03:41:39,130 --> 03:41:42,450
and there need to be penalties. So when those are not met. So councilwoman it also gives the city manager the ability to terminate for calls.

1752
03:41:49,010 --> 03:41:49,010
so the power is invested into the city manager.

1753
03:41:53,770 --> 03:41:53,770
well, I would prefer that the council could terminate this because clearly there's a real
Rush to make this all happen.

1754
03:42:03,370 --> 03:42:03,370
it's quite remarkable. Tell me how ada issues are going to be addressed.

1755
03:42:13,330 --> 03:42:13,330
will each location fully follow the americans with disabilities act?

1756
03:42:18,730 --> 03:42:18,730
so if I could just jump in, I want to go back to the comments regarding council
Terminations contracts are approved

1757
03:42:28,370 --> 03:42:28,370
and the oversight the day to day responsibility of contract compliance is at the
Responsibility of the city manager.

1758
03:42:36,970 --> 03:42:36,970
if something is not being done by this vendor or any other vendor,
If contract needs to be canceled,

1759
03:42:44,650 --> 03:42:44,650
that will definitely happen and will be brought to the council.

1760
03:42:48,930 --> 03:42:48,930
with knowledge of why the contract is being canceled,
What we laid out and what staff has described is there is a 24 hour monitoring for

1761
03:42:58,690 --> 03:42:58,690
any type of issues that are happening with the units outside of the visual inspections
That are happening six of seven days in a week.

1762
03:43:07,570 --> 03:43:07,570
that will allow for us to, number one, make sure that the units are working.

1763
03:43:11,810 --> 03:43:11,810
if the units are not working, they're not making any money. We're not getting paid either.
So there's no advantage to the vendor to have units that are not operating.

1764
03:43:20,940 --> 03:43:20,940
if the units are not operating and they're not working,
Then there's respectfully, vandalism won't stop it from.

1765
03:43:26,540 --> 03:43:26,540
exactly. However, them putting those units back into operation quickly is actually to
Their advantage because that's how they're able to make money.

1766
03:43:34,380 --> 03:43:34,380
so in our agreement, the way we've laid it out,
If there are systems issues, troubleshooting those things will happen depending on who the

1767
03:43:41,860 --> 03:43:41,860
third party is that comes to the table. The same way we have service level agreements
Across all of our city departments that will also be included in how they then respond in

1768
03:43:50,300 --> 03:43:53,660
the amount of time that it takes for them to address those units. Can I add some clarification to what I said earlier about the third party,
The sla, that local vendor is going to be secured for significant

1769
03:44:03,140 --> 03:44:03,140
kiosk damage. However, further along, in the same paragraph that chief of staff was
Reading on reading about.

1770
03:44:10,660 --> 03:44:10,660
so there is there are listed examples of what are considered more fixable elements,
And ike has committed to complete such repairs within

1771
03:44:20,430 --> 03:44:20,430
48 hours of receipt from the city repair notice.

1772
03:44:25,790 --> 03:44:28,270
and they've identified the need for such repairs. So there is a 48 hour commitment for fixable elements such as internal component repair,
Computers,

1773
03:44:36,990 --> 03:44:36,990
lights, etc.. What about graffiti? I would consider that

1774
03:44:47,470 --> 03:44:47,470
again, councilwoman the language states ike will conduct regular maintenance and cleaning
Repairs,

1775
03:44:54,990 --> 03:44:54,990
and it will be frequently five days a week. In one weekend,
I would I would anticipate cleaning also constitutes graffiti.

1776
03:45:05,070 --> 03:45:05,070
again, just because they're doing it every day doesn't mean they're going to actually do
The item.

1777
03:45:11,030 --> 03:45:11,030
the kiosk that has the graffiti on it, number one.

1778
03:45:15,390 --> 03:45:15,390
number two, as you are reading that passage. It's ones that they have to agree.

1779
03:45:22,190 --> 03:45:25,470
and the items you actually mentioned were operational. Sure, if their kiosk is down, they're going to think that's important.

1780
03:45:29,470 --> 03:45:29,470
I'm much more concerned about graffiti and frankly,
Gunshots.

1781
03:45:35,630 --> 03:45:35,630
I think these are going to become target practice.

1782
03:45:41,510 --> 03:45:41,510
I regularly have to report swastikas all up and down our highway systems in our parks.

1783
03:45:51,030 --> 03:45:51,030
I want to know that they're going to be removed immediately. You let it go.

1784
03:45:58,710 --> 03:45:58,710
so my question was about ada compliance. And if they are required to fully comply with
Americans with disabilities act for all clearances.

1785
03:46:08,270 --> 03:46:08,270
yes, absolutely. Thank you. Next we have chair gracey for five minutes.

1786
03:46:17,040 --> 03:46:17,040
thank you, mr. Mayor. Have we talked to other cities that have this?

1787
03:46:22,920 --> 03:46:22,920
and what has that conversation? Have we gotten feedback from other cities that have this?

1788
03:46:28,480 --> 03:46:28,480
so let's just make sure we just speak about the licenses and we're talking about other
Cities.

1789
03:46:33,480 --> 03:46:33,480
oh fair enough. The the other cities I just will mention those that have recently approved
Such programs are the cities of

1790
03:46:43,360 --> 03:46:43,360
seattle, san diego, phoenix, tampa, city of arlington,
City of charlotte, city of houston,

1791
03:46:50,520 --> 03:46:53,760
and the city of austin. They all have similar provisions. We actually had the opportunity to look at those agreements to see what the current
Industry best practices are around this type of a program.

1792
03:47:03,680 --> 03:47:03,680
we were able to work with our city attorney's office to leverage a lot of the contract
Provisions,

1793
03:47:09,320 --> 03:47:09,320
as well as get better awareness of any types of issues that that they might be either
Dealing with.

1794
03:47:17,370 --> 03:47:20,610
we did not find in any of those conversations. Council member gracey. Anything short of these are this these these programs have worked.

1795
03:47:27,970 --> 03:47:27,970
they're truly paying off. They've become modes of information sharing for not only
Community members,

1796
03:47:34,850 --> 03:47:34,850
but residents and visitors alike. And that they were all very pleased that these types of
Digital programs are in place and that they're working

1797
03:47:44,770 --> 03:47:44,770
effectively. So we didn't get in any of the course of our conversations as we were asking
About contract provisions and language negative comments about the actual

1798
03:47:54,530 --> 03:47:54,530
programs. But those are the seeds. There could be others,
But these are the cities specifically that we were able to reach out to.

1799
03:48:01,890 --> 03:48:01,890
and I've had the pleasure of actually visiting a couple of these cities to actually be
Able to look at the units and see how they function,

1800
03:48:09,170 --> 03:48:09,170
what they look like. City of charlotte, is an example of one that I've actually had an
Opportunity to visit.

1801
03:48:14,540 --> 03:48:14,540
and in those cities, they haven't had any. Some of these concerns that my colleague is
Addressing those issues haven't been whether it's a data breach,

1802
03:48:22,340 --> 03:48:22,340
whether it's a not being cleaned up, all of these things because many of them,
My understanding,

1803
03:48:26,780 --> 03:48:26,780
have been utilizing tell me, I don't want to get off base too far,
But I'm just trying to get to a vote here that these things have been operating in other

1804
03:48:35,060 --> 03:48:38,660
cities for quite some time now, and they have served the city well. In fact, have benefited. And let's not forget,
We're talking about this as if it's not a revenue contract,

1805
03:48:43,940 --> 03:48:43,940
right? This is a revenue contract. Correct. Which means that.

1806
03:48:48,740 --> 03:48:48,740
do I need to stop? All right. I'm done. Chair west for three minutes.

1807
03:48:58,580 --> 03:48:58,580
thank you. Mayor. So just a clarification from city attorney on this is I had submitted

1808
03:49:08,540 --> 03:49:08,540
a motion earlier to try to recoup right of way for every as a one foot loss

1809
03:49:18,420 --> 03:49:21,700
for the kiosk, one foot gain back for pedestrians. I was told that that is not going to be germane to to to this discussion.

1810
03:49:27,420 --> 03:49:27,420
I just want to get that clarified on the record. So you want to add into the licensing
Agreement,

1811
03:49:32,540 --> 03:49:32,540
which is the legal document that gives them permission to use the right of way,
Requiring the city manager to add in additional

1812
03:49:42,500 --> 03:49:42,500
right of way wouldn't. I mean, I think it is a little bit outside of the scope of,
Of a legal permission to use the right of way.

1813
03:49:52,220 --> 03:49:52,220
and so what you're now you would incorporate that we that the city has to find additional
Right of way.

1814
03:50:00,060 --> 03:50:00,060
correct. And eminent domain that right of way or provide it from our own land which would
Be roadways typically.

1815
03:50:08,510 --> 03:50:08,510
I think that's really beyond the scope of this license to ike.

1816
03:50:13,470 --> 03:50:13,470
okay. That's what I wanted to hear. I was expecting to hear my big concern big concerns
Overall with this,

1817
03:50:23,030 --> 03:50:23,030
this license has been the loss of right of way.

1818
03:50:27,390 --> 03:50:29,910
our pedestrian right of way is very precious. We don't have enough of it. And here we're taking away more pedestrian right of way.

1819
03:50:35,750 --> 03:50:35,750
I think, you know, we are getting something back for it. We're certainly getting paid.
We're also getting an informational item for residents and tourists,

1820
03:50:44,630 --> 03:50:44,630
which has some value. But for me, the pedestrian right of way is really uncomparable.

1821
03:50:51,510 --> 03:50:51,510
and so not having a provision because we're prevented from doing so today to recoup that
Right of way is a deal breaker for me.

1822
03:51:01,350 --> 03:51:01,350
and then after hearing that there will not be any stakeholder input other than we'll hear
You,

1823
03:51:07,440 --> 03:51:07,440
but the director is going to do what he wants. That is another issue that I have with
This.

1824
03:51:12,680 --> 03:51:12,680
so I think it's going to pass. It is what it is,
But I'm not going to be supporting this.

1825
03:51:18,200 --> 03:51:18,200
thank you. Chair middleton for one minute. Thank you.

1826
03:51:27,600 --> 03:51:30,080
so how will these service requests be put in? Is this a311 call? Is this a call? Your favorite council member?

1827
03:51:33,960 --> 03:51:33,960
I mean, when there's a problem, how does this get reported?

1828
03:51:39,240 --> 03:51:39,240
there's going to be an email on each individual kiosk in order to report any issues.

1829
03:51:45,280 --> 03:51:45,280
but again, they are committed to 24 over seven remote monitoring as well for any kind of
System issues or anything that comes up.

1830
03:51:54,040 --> 03:51:54,040
so then how will we know that they're actually responding on a regular basis,
Like didn't we with the scooters?

1831
03:51:59,600 --> 03:51:59,600
didn't we have like a third party that's tracking how the scooters are functioning and if
They're being put back where they should,

1832
03:52:07,520 --> 03:52:07,520
and accidents. We can include a performance reporting for the program if that is the the
Guidance from the body that

1833
03:52:17,320 --> 03:52:20,520
just shows how many units within a particular. It could be monthly or quarterly that were taken offline,
How many had systems issues, if that's the type of reporting that council wants us to

1834
03:52:28,200 --> 03:52:28,200
provide, we have no problems of doing that. And then also showing how long it took for
Those units to be brought back into into compliance with the contract.

1835
03:52:38,800 --> 03:52:38,800
that's something we could definitely do as part of the transportation committee and just
Have that as an ongoing report out to the body.

1836
03:52:46,680 --> 03:52:46,680
definitely don't mind having that level of detail provided,
If that's what the council wishes for staff to to do.

1837
03:52:52,920 --> 03:52:52,920
well, I think it's essential for being able to evaluate how this contract and this
Vendor's performing and how this is impacting our residents because we won't even have

1838
03:53:02,090 --> 03:53:02,090
that information. We won't actually even know and every anecdote will become the
Narrative.

1839
03:53:08,170 --> 03:53:08,170
so I would like to see that data. I'm I'm very concerned about the,
The visual clutter and how this is functioning

1840
03:53:18,010 --> 03:53:18,010
downtown. I think that's one part. And then the ridiculous nature of having this in some
Of the areas the kiosks we have in district 12 are just laughable.

1841
03:53:29,810 --> 03:53:29,810
so, you know, we literally have some in the median on a 40 mile an hour street,
Not even an intersection.

1842
03:53:36,210 --> 03:53:39,570
that's your time. Thank you. Chair ridley. One minute. Thank you, mister mayor. So, to continue my line of questioning,
Willow, section two of the ordinance provides that the term of the agreement is for,

1843
03:53:49,090 --> 03:53:49,090
as amended, ten years plus two potential extension periods of five years.

1844
03:53:54,450 --> 03:53:54,450
correct? Yes. And when does that term commence?

1845
03:54:01,300 --> 03:54:01,300
running? The commencement date? Yeah. Thank you for the

1846
03:54:11,020 --> 03:54:11,020
question. So we have different dates defined in the contract.

1847
03:54:17,020 --> 03:54:17,020
so the effective date. No, I'm talking about the commencement date.

1848
03:54:21,060 --> 03:54:21,060
when that ten year term starts to run, that will begin at the point that the vendor has
Installed 100 kiosks.

1849
03:54:28,180 --> 03:54:31,860
so what happens if the vendor only installs 99? Won't that mean that they can circumvent the ten year term and continue into perpetuity,
Their right to use the city's right of way?

1850
03:54:43,220 --> 03:54:43,220
well, okay. Go ahead. We both have a response.

1851
03:54:47,580 --> 03:54:47,580
the first response is, is that the vendor will be deemed in breach of this contract if
They haven't installed one.

1852
03:54:54,020 --> 03:54:54,020
well, there's no deadline for them to install more than 99 kiosks.

1853
03:54:58,140 --> 03:54:58,140
so where's the breach? So they have to use their best efforts to diligently and speedily
Deploy the first

1854
03:55:08,100 --> 03:55:08,100
100, subject to 14 one c of the contract, but no deadline for them to do that.

1855
03:55:15,860 --> 03:55:15,860
yes. Should be within two years. Where's that?

1856
03:55:20,020 --> 03:55:20,020
hold it, hold it. 14

1857
03:55:29,100 --> 03:55:29,100
1ci somewhere. Can you get a little closer to the microphone,
Please?

1858
03:55:33,580 --> 03:55:33,580
thank you. Sorry. You just give me a moment. It should be within the first two years.

1859
03:55:40,100 --> 03:55:43,100
aren't they required to do 50 the first year and 50 the second? No. They can do no more than 50 in each of the first two years.

1860
03:55:48,620 --> 03:55:48,620
it doesn't require them to do 50. I will continue to look for the provision that supports
My comments.

1861
03:55:56,510 --> 03:55:56,510
meanwhile, connie has. So with regard to the ordinance itself.

1862
03:56:01,190 --> 03:56:01,190
so the ordinance will begin as soon as the term begins.

1863
03:56:05,950 --> 03:56:08,510
under the contract. Okay. So they'll run concurrent. And so if the ordinance is an independent operative document other than the than the
Because it controls what can happen in the right of

1864
03:56:18,470 --> 03:56:18,470
way. So they will once council passes this the ordinance time clock starts.

1865
03:56:24,390 --> 03:56:24,390
okay. That's how our ordinances work. But under the agreement,
They will have their term of what they can do.

1866
03:56:31,470 --> 03:56:31,470
and so they will have to if they if they end up ending up in a conflict with regard to the
Term,

1867
03:56:37,870 --> 03:56:37,870
they'll have to return to the department of real estate and facilities management and get
This ordinance amended with regard to the term.

1868
03:56:45,870 --> 03:56:45,870
well, connie, the ordinance specifies a term of ten years.

1869
03:56:49,950 --> 03:56:49,950
that does not start on the effective date of our approval of this contract or this
Ordinance does it?

1870
03:56:56,600 --> 03:56:56,600
so it starts on the terms of the ordinance. And so the ordinance is the way they work.

1871
03:57:01,440 --> 03:57:01,440
they have to be published. There's, there's an administrative process,
But as soon as they complete the administrative process,

1872
03:57:08,120 --> 03:57:08,120
that is the requirements under the department of facilities and real estate management,
The ordinance term does start it.

1873
03:57:15,040 --> 03:57:15,040
it does it becomes effective. Well, doesn't that contradict the concession contract,
Which says that the term of ten years doesn't start until the

1874
03:57:24,600 --> 03:57:28,600
commencement date? Correct. But the term the term is. So the contract is a service, a concession contract independent of what we have to issue
Them in order to actually perform under the contract.

1875
03:57:37,240 --> 03:57:37,240
unfortunately, however, I can't grant the city,
Can't grant an ordinance that is longer than the period of term in the contract itself.

1876
03:57:46,240 --> 03:57:46,240
so that's why I'm saying so if they end up running afoul of each other.

1877
03:57:50,570 --> 03:57:50,570
operatively because everyone wants the benefit of a full term of a contract,
Right?

1878
03:57:55,170 --> 03:57:55,170
I mean, it's like a lease. You know, it might take me two years to build something,
But I want I want the full 20 years that perhaps the city would give me.

1879
03:58:03,410 --> 03:58:03,410
and so the operative effect of that is that the term really shouldn't kick in in the
Contract until they've,

1880
03:58:12,170 --> 03:58:12,170
they've been given the opportunity to implement their infrastructure like install it.

1881
03:58:17,330 --> 03:58:17,330
but unfortunately ordinances, the ordinances for the right of way don't work that way.

1882
03:58:22,570 --> 03:58:25,010
they actually work when council approves them. And then the administrative process has been complete.

1883
03:58:27,730 --> 03:58:27,730
so there will be potentially a conflict at the end sometime in the term of this contract
Where they're going to have to come back and we'll have to do an administrative,

1884
03:58:37,090 --> 03:58:40,610
you know, correction or amendment of this ordinance itself. But I but we can't grant any more than the term that's here.

1885
03:58:44,890 --> 03:58:44,890
so I can't make the ordinance delay have a delay start time in other words.

1886
03:58:52,490 --> 03:58:52,490
so I hope that answers. Thank you. Seeing no further discussion,
There is a record vote requested.

1887
03:59:01,410 --> 03:59:01,410
we will do that. We are voting on the main motion with chair mendelssohn's amendment.

1888
03:59:09,250 --> 03:59:09,250
madam city secretary. Thank you, mr. Mayor. When I call your name,
Please say yes if you're in favor.

1889
03:59:15,010 --> 03:59:18,890
no. If you oppose council member west. No. Council member. Gracey. Yes. Councilmember. Johnson. Yes. Councilmember.

1890
03:59:24,290 --> 03:59:24,290
resendez. No. Council member. Yes. Councilmember.

1891
03:59:30,050 --> 03:59:30,050
bazaldua. Yes. Councilmember. Blair. Yes. Councilmember.

1892
03:59:35,650 --> 03:59:35,650
blackmon. Yes. Councilmember. Stewart. Yes. Councilmember.

1893
03:59:40,210 --> 03:59:40,210
roth. No. Councilmember. Mendelsohn. No. Councilmember.

1894
03:59:45,650 --> 03:59:45,650
ridley. Deputy mayor pro tem willis. Yes. Mayor pro tem moreno.

1895
03:59:55,060 --> 03:59:55,060
yes. Mayor johnson. No. And the council member resendez.

1896
04:00:01,340 --> 04:00:01,340
will you clarify your vote? Yes. Thank you. Oh,
No.

1897
04:00:06,420 --> 04:00:06,420
no, it's 5 to 10. I was surprised you voted no.

1898
04:00:11,220 --> 04:00:11,220
with ten voting in favor, five opposed. The item passes as amended.

1899
04:00:15,740 --> 04:00:15,740
mr. Mayor. Thank you, madam city secretary, before we recess chair gracey for a special
Announcement.

1900
04:00:23,660 --> 04:00:23,660
I wonder why he's looking at me. Oh, we have him.

1901
04:00:28,900 --> 04:00:28,900
so every time. It's no secret we celebrate each other's birthdays.

1902
04:00:32,980 --> 04:00:32,980
I have the fortunate opportunity to present to my buddy over here,
Chad west.

1903
04:00:39,100 --> 04:00:39,100
today is his birthday, so let's give him a happy birthday.

1904
04:00:46,710 --> 04:00:46,710
I think he's 25. I give it to you. I'll let you have it.

1905
04:00:52,190 --> 04:00:52,190
so good. Guess I am 25. Alright, so with that everyone,
If we could just sing happy birthday.

1906
04:00:56,710 --> 04:00:56,710
happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you.

1907
04:01:02,470 --> 04:01:02,470
happy birthday dear. She says happy birthday to you.

1908
04:01:10,270 --> 04:01:10,270
all right guys. With that the time is 220 and we are going to recess till 240 oh oh.

1909
04:01:17,750 --> 04:01:17,750
I'm sorry chair who's, who's doing the announcement right.

1910
04:01:23,270 --> 04:01:27,070
yeah. No, we absolutely we have to celebrate two people mr. Gracey or a colleague. So y'all have to sing it twice now.

1911
04:01:31,270 --> 04:01:31,270
council member resendez a cake for him. I'm hungry.

1912
04:01:37,030 --> 04:01:37,030
well happy birthday. Okay. Happy birthday. We are recess until 240.

1913
04:01:46,190 --> 04:01:46,190
all right. We've reestablished a quorum, so we are back in regular session,
Madam secretary.

1914
04:01:51,670 --> 04:01:51,670
if everyone could take their seats in the gallery and restore order to the chamber,
Please.

1915
04:01:57,870 --> 04:02:01,630
we certainly appreciate it. Members, we're ready to go. Go ahead, madam secretary. Thank you, mr. Mayor.

1916
04:02:04,510 --> 04:02:04,510
we'll now move to agenda item 54. Agenda item 54.

1917
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authorize a three year service contract with one one year,
One year renewal option for the purchase,

1918
04:02:16,430 --> 04:02:16,430
installation, training and support of artificial intelligence powered camera technology
For the development of sanitation services and the department of code

1919
04:02:25,830 --> 04:02:25,830
compliance. City detect, inc. Sole source. Estimated amount of $2,556,000.

1920
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you do have one individual who has signed up to speak on this item,
Alex scott.

1921
04:02:42,840 --> 04:02:42,840
alex scott. Scott is not present. That's your speaker for this item.

1922
04:02:52,440 --> 04:02:52,440
it's not present, mr. Mayor. This item was pulled by council member west.

1923
04:03:00,680 --> 04:03:00,680
I'm sorry. Alex. Scott. Okay, okay. Alex. Scott.

1924
04:03:06,480 --> 04:03:06,480
okay, I can see you. However, I cannot hear you.

1925
04:03:14,080 --> 04:03:14,080
hear me now? Yes. And. Our council rules of procedure states that you signed up to speak
On three items.

1926
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one item has already been heard. Item 48. So you cannot speak on that. But item we're on item 54, and you signed up to speak on 54 and 56.

1927
04:03:32,040 --> 04:03:35,600
so you'll be given three minutes to speak on both of those items. Items 54 and 56. You may continue. Perfect. Sorry that I wasn't there.

1928
04:03:41,930 --> 04:03:41,930
well, I was there earlier, I was napping, I apologize. But with that I just would
Appreciate an opportunity for the new cio who came who's

1929
04:03:51,850 --> 04:03:51,850
coming in in january to take a look at this contract prior to it getting approved.

1930
04:03:57,850 --> 04:03:57,850
this is a extremely emerging technology. And when you have something like this being
Rolled out across the entire across our entire districts and in

1931
04:04:07,850 --> 04:04:07,850
the entire city, something like this needs a really hard view by our brand new cio,
Who most likely will be owning that entire contract regarding the

1932
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data around it. And if we want to set them up for success,
I just recommend that we pause this contract from being signed off until he gets an

1933
04:04:27,490 --> 04:04:27,490
opportunity to look at it as well as we did,
Just sign an agreement with gartner as well as forrester,

1934
04:04:34,810 --> 04:04:34,810
who are two technology research and advisory organizations that can help us with
Understanding the data around computer vision and ai.

1935
04:04:43,770 --> 04:04:43,770
so that's all I really had to say, is just to push this until our cio gets an opportunity
To look at it.

1936
04:04:49,530 --> 04:04:52,970
thank you. There are no further speakers for this item. Mr. Mayor. Again, this item was pulled by councilmember west.

1937
04:04:55,770 --> 04:04:55,770
all right. Do we have a motion on 5054 motion to approve.

1938
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is there a second? Okay, I heard a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? No. Chairman west recognized for five minutes.

1939
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everyone, we're on item 54. Thank you. Mayor. Originally, I had quite a few concerns about this item and had pulled it late last week,
Just to be sure that all the questions got

1940
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answered. I have to commend staff for very patiently answering my questions in two
Different committees on this.

1941
04:05:29,050 --> 04:05:29,050
and I just wanted to give you a minute or two,
If you want to take it, to sort of explain a couple of things that were concerning to me

1942
04:05:36,300 --> 04:05:36,300
and some of my residents on data storage, where the the pictures are collected.

1943
04:05:42,380 --> 04:05:42,380
and what information is blurred out and that there are security measures in place to
Protect our residents data,

1944
04:05:50,540 --> 04:05:53,980
their, their faces, their license plates, things like that. And then lastly, who has access to that data?

1945
04:05:59,860 --> 04:06:02,780
thank you for that question. And council member wes. Yeah. So we got an opportunity to brief your committee yesterday.

1946
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and I appreciate the opportunity to provide a detailed explanation of how this hardware
And software would work and how we intend to use it.

1947
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the web application portal that we will be using with the vendor city detect,
It will be only licensed users that have access to that portal,

1948
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both in the code compliance department and the sanitation department. Initially, because the contract is a partnership between our two departments and the
Vendor.

1949
04:06:31,460 --> 04:06:31,460
the vendor has met all security requirements as far as our,
Its and city attorney's office is concerned,

1950
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related to the contract terms and our data security policies,
Insurance requirements, all of those things have been met by the vendor.

1951
04:06:45,870 --> 04:06:45,870
the pictures will only take still images from the public right of way.

1952
04:06:50,070 --> 04:06:50,070
no different than google street view of property conditions,
Properties and directions related to degradation environments.

1953
04:06:58,030 --> 04:06:58,030
once the photos are analyzed by computer vision technology.

1954
04:07:02,630 --> 04:07:02,630
the. Faces and license plates that are detected in photos.

1955
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and I'd like to just, you know, speak to a data point that I was able to get last night of
665,000 photos that were taken in stockton,

1956
04:07:16,830 --> 04:07:18,950
california. Who is the director of code there? Omarosa vargas I spoke to her about this technology.

1957
04:07:22,030 --> 04:07:22,030
we had a good conversation in person about the effectiveness that they've seen in
California using this technology.

1958
04:07:29,350 --> 04:07:29,350
out of 665,000 photos that were taking taken by the by the software.

1959
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only 10,000 of those photos contained a face.

1960
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of those 10,000, some of those faces were on billboards.

1961
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and so it roughs out to about 1.5% of the detections that actually contained a photo of a
Person.

1962
04:07:52,920 --> 04:07:55,640
that's not the focal point of this technology. The focal point of this technology is conditions that I think we all can,
Can get, get around illegal dumping,

1963
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high weeds, litter open and and vacant structures in our communities.

1964
04:08:09,080 --> 04:08:09,080
I think we can abandon shopping carts. I think these are all things that this body would
Like for us to identify quickly and be able to go out and resolve quickly.

1965
04:08:19,600 --> 04:08:23,560
and so we have no concerns about what's being captured. We are going to select with the vendor. If we were to enter into this contract that we
Want blurred faces,

1966
04:08:29,920 --> 04:08:29,920
blurred license plates, and. No. And no. Feature to unblur or to provide unblurred or
Unblurred license plates.

1967
04:08:38,240 --> 04:08:40,960
even upon request. The photos wouldn't exist. They're not going to be stored in our portal.

1968
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only blurred faces and blurred license plates would be stored in our system.

1969
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thank you. And that's because the intent of this program is to better help with
Efficiencies and code enforcement.

1970
04:08:56,040 --> 04:08:56,040
and not for this to be weaponized as a neighbor versus neighbor,
Or ice versus immigrants or something like that.

1971
04:09:02,720 --> 04:09:02,720
right? That that is correct. Code compliance and sanitation services do not have a
Business need at all for persons,

1972
04:09:09,720 --> 04:09:09,720
faces or license plates of vehicles. That's just not a business need that we have.

1973
04:09:14,240 --> 04:09:14,240
and so we have no need for that type of information to be stored in the system.

1974
04:09:19,120 --> 04:09:19,120
all right. And then can you just briefly comment on the efficiencies we'll gain by using
This technology,

1975
04:09:23,760 --> 04:09:23,760
please. Yes. And so we have a requirement per city code to to board up open and vacant
Structures within 48 hours.

1976
04:09:32,530 --> 04:09:32,530
and so we're hoping with this technology we also thank you.

1977
04:09:36,770 --> 04:09:36,770
thankful for this council approved a couple years ago for proactive illegal dumping teams
For our code compliance nuisance abatement team.

1978
04:09:44,570 --> 04:09:44,570
and so with this technology, we hope to be able to identify these issues quickly and to
Put our own internal abatement teams out to resolve them quickly creating

1979
04:09:54,530 --> 04:09:54,530
much more efficient turnaround times for securing open and vacant structures which are
Dangerous to have in our communities and in our neighborhoods,

1980
04:10:01,810 --> 04:10:01,810
and also removing illegal dumping from our private parcels and our public right of way
Citywide,

1981
04:10:07,130 --> 04:10:07,130
where we're able to identify it and find it,
As well as graffiti another unsightly nuisance in our city that we hope to identify and be

1982
04:10:14,890 --> 04:10:14,890
able to address extremely quickly with this technology.

1983
04:10:20,490 --> 04:10:23,930
chairwoman mendelsohn recognized for five minutes. Agenda item 54. Thank you. So the data is going to be stored on the vendor's cloud.

1984
04:10:29,100 --> 04:10:31,220
is that right? That's correct. Council member. Okay. And so if there's a data breach, who is paying for that?

1985
04:10:35,980 --> 04:10:35,980
the vendor is responsible for that. And they have cyber risk insurance to protect them if
That were to happen.

1986
04:10:41,420 --> 04:10:41,420
excellent answer. And is there any ability for the city to monetize this data for the
City?

1987
04:10:49,260 --> 04:10:49,260
no, ma'am. Per our contract terms, this data cannot be sold or monetized currently.

1988
04:10:54,940 --> 04:10:58,620
by us or by them? By us or them. Okay. Good answer. Thank you. Mr. Bazaldua recognized for five minutes.

1989
04:11:02,460 --> 04:11:06,260
thank you. Mayor. I just I think that there's been good questions asked. It also is relatable to the last item that we took up.

1990
04:11:12,060 --> 04:11:12,060
and I think as we watch for the technology evolving and our ability to,
To leverage those technological advances,

1991
04:11:22,260 --> 04:11:22,260
I'd like for the full council to get briefed on a holistic

1992
04:11:32,140 --> 04:11:32,140
list of data that's being shared and or not being shared.

1993
04:11:38,220 --> 04:11:38,220
but I also think that there should be potential actionable items for us to consider so
That as we enter into contracts moving forward,

1994
04:11:47,220 --> 04:11:47,220
that we have some guardrails in place. I am also concerned with who could access this
Data.

1995
04:11:53,060 --> 04:11:53,060
I am I really think that I'd like for the attorneys as well,
To be a part of what what is within our realm.

1996
04:11:59,980 --> 04:11:59,980
the last thing I want to do is have tools that are helping a city function but be utilized
To help

1997
04:12:09,500 --> 04:12:13,380
other law enforcement agencies, for instance. And we've also made it very clear that our desire to be a collaborative partner with those
Agencies versus just compliant.

1998
04:12:21,870 --> 04:12:21,870
and if our license plate readers or face recognition or any other type of technology
That's being used in our city could

1999
04:12:31,830 --> 04:12:31,830
potentially be used from these other agencies,
I'd like for us to have some policies in place that would prevent that as we move forward

2000
04:12:40,470 --> 04:12:44,270
and continue to get into new contracts. Thank you. Thank you. Mayor. Anyone else want to speak on for or against the item?

2001
04:12:47,270 --> 04:12:50,990
54 seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it. Next item. Agenda item 57th june.

2002
04:12:57,510 --> 04:12:57,510
item 57. Authorize one adoption of the dallas regional and inclusive vendor enterprises
Policy,

2003
04:13:04,870 --> 04:13:04,870
and two suspension of the business inclusion and development policy.

2004
04:13:10,430 --> 04:13:12,630
this item was pulled by council member mendelsohn. This is your item, mister mayor. Is there a motion? Second,
It's been moved and seconded.

2005
04:13:17,670 --> 04:13:17,670
any discussion? Chairwoman mendelsohn move to separate the question. Move to divide the
Question.

2006
04:13:24,000 --> 04:13:24,000
need a second? Is there a second for that second?

2007
04:13:29,280 --> 04:13:29,280
all right. It's been seconded. So hold on one second while I figure out debatable or not,
Etcetera,

2008
04:13:35,880 --> 04:13:35,880
etcetera.

2009
04:13:56,760 --> 04:13:56,760
not debatable. All in favor, say I. Aye. Any opposed?

2010
04:14:02,400 --> 04:14:02,400
I think the ayes have it. So we'll go ahead and divide the questions into one and two.

2011
04:14:08,560 --> 04:14:08,560
we'll take up number one first. So would like to be recognized for five minutes.

2012
04:14:14,200 --> 04:14:14,200
point of information mayor. Yes. I'm just curious on the implication of the division of
The question,

2013
04:14:20,080 --> 04:14:20,080
and if it would be appropriate for a new policy to be adopted if one has not been
Suspended in this case.

2014
04:14:30,920 --> 04:14:30,920
how was that? Yeah. Well, the attorneys explain how that how that could be done,
But you guys just did it.

2015
04:14:37,320 --> 04:14:37,320
so. For the record, you guys just voted no, right?

2016
04:14:43,880 --> 04:14:43,880
all right. We're going to stand. We're going to stand at ease for just a couple of minutes
While we help get an answer to that question. I just want to separate the one and two.

2017
04:14:54,200 --> 04:14:54,200
yeah. I think if you took them in reverse order,
There would not be a problem.

2018
04:14:59,880 --> 04:14:59,880
like, you have to take the first one away and then adopt the next one. I think this thing
Is saying, how can you adopt when you haven't removed the other? Yeah.

2019
04:15:08,040 --> 04:15:10,040
and I think he's worried that there would be one. But I mean hello this is going to pass. Now this is just.

2020
04:15:22,050 --> 04:15:22,050
if you don't get it. Okay. Do you think that

2021
04:15:31,930 --> 04:15:31,930
there's something that we can look around the room and know this is happening?

2022
04:15:36,330 --> 04:15:36,330
so why are we doing this? This is about. Did you see what happened at the

2023
04:15:46,250 --> 04:15:46,250
meeting yesterday? The one you were at. Oh, yeah.

2024
04:15:51,530 --> 04:15:51,530
you realize that you asked the city attorney preliminary answer as I am.

2025
04:15:59,130 --> 04:15:59,130
okay. Madam city attorney, go ahead and explain how this motion to divide the question
Would apply and what the implications of it are

2026
04:16:08,930 --> 04:16:08,930
for item 57. So after talking to willow sanchez and luis herrera.

2027
04:16:16,180 --> 04:16:16,180
city of pereira. This item has a clerical error.

2028
04:16:20,980 --> 04:16:20,980
that number two has already been repealed by item number 73.

2029
04:16:27,220 --> 04:16:27,220
under section six. That that business inclusion and development policy was repealed.

2030
04:16:33,340 --> 04:16:33,340
so it's already been done. So whether it's divided or not this has already been repealed.

2031
04:16:39,420 --> 04:16:39,420
so if there's no objection, would you like to withdraw your motion and just take up the
Only remaining item, which is one which is right.

2032
04:16:47,620 --> 04:16:50,980
that's fine. Okay. So if there's no objection,
It's withdrawn. And it was already moved and seconded to take up 57 as it was printed on the agenda.

2033
04:16:55,660 --> 04:16:55,660
but two is muted apparently so. All right. So we're back on item 57 and chairwoman
Mendelsohn,

2034
04:17:01,100 --> 04:17:01,100
you have the floor for five minutes if you'd like it. Would anyone like to speak on for or
Against 57 chairman gracey recognized for five minutes.

2035
04:17:07,780 --> 04:17:07,780
yeah. And again, we're not going to draw this out. We already know why we're here. And
Again,

2036
04:17:11,990 --> 04:17:11,990
I want to thank staff for the work that they've done. And I just want to caveat this,
And I've said it already,

2037
04:17:17,390 --> 04:17:17,390
but there's continued work to do on the construction side. I understand we'll be back. I
Understand there's utilization study and I appreciate all of that. But I look forward for

2038
04:17:24,390 --> 04:17:24,390
us coming back to kind of fine tune some of these things to ensure that there are
Opportunities,

2039
04:17:29,630 --> 04:17:29,630
more opportunities for our small businesses on the construction side.

2040
04:17:34,310 --> 04:17:34,310
so thank you so much. Anyone else want to speak on for or against item 57?

2041
04:17:41,150 --> 04:17:44,750
seeing none, a record vote has been requested and a record vote has been granted. Madam secretary, go ahead and call the roll. Thank you,
Mr.

2042
04:17:48,670 --> 04:17:48,670
mayor. When I call your name, please state yes if you're in favor. No. If you oppose
Council member west.

2043
04:17:54,150 --> 04:17:57,670
yes. Council member gracey. Yes. Council member. Johnson. Yes. Council member. Resendez. Yes. Council member.

2044
04:18:01,670 --> 04:18:01,670
cadena. Yes. Council member. Bazaldua. No. Council member.

2045
04:18:06,990 --> 04:18:06,990
blair. Yes. Council member. Blackmon. Yes. Council member.

2046
04:18:11,430 --> 04:18:11,430
stewart. Yes. Council member. Roth. Yes. Council member.

2047
04:18:15,550 --> 04:18:15,550
mendelsohn. No. Council member. Ridley. Yes. Deputy mayor pro tem.

2048
04:18:21,350 --> 04:18:21,350
willis. Yes. Mayor pro tem moreno. Mayor. Johnson.

2049
04:18:27,350 --> 04:18:31,350
yes. With 13 voting in favor to oppose, the item passes,
Mr. Mayor. All right, next item. We are now up to your items for individual consideration.

2050
04:18:40,390 --> 04:18:40,390
agenda. Beginning with agenda item 75.

2051
04:18:50,910 --> 04:18:50,910
agenda item 75 is consideration of appointments to boards and commissions.

2052
04:18:56,270 --> 04:18:56,270
this afternoon. You have individual appointments and a full council appointment.

2053
04:19:03,950 --> 04:19:03,950
your nominees for individual appointment to the animal advisory commission.

2054
04:19:08,400 --> 04:19:08,400
john joe john j. Gonzalez is being nominated by deputy mayor pro tem willis.

2055
04:19:15,240 --> 04:19:15,240
mr. Gonzalez meets the general public special qualification to the community police
Oversight board.

2056
04:19:22,520 --> 04:19:22,520
jesus marquez is being nominated by council member blackmon to the youth commission.

2057
04:19:29,680 --> 04:19:29,680
adrian andre alvarez is being nominated by council member resendez.

2058
04:19:36,400 --> 04:19:36,400
mr. Alvarez meets the full time student special qualification your nominee for full
Council appointment to the landmark commission.

2059
04:19:44,800 --> 04:19:44,800
alternate members alison s reeves is being nominated by council member ridley.

2060
04:19:50,360 --> 04:19:54,200
miss reeves meets the historic preservation special qualification. These are your nominees, mr. Mayor. Thank you.

2061
04:19:57,600 --> 04:20:00,320
is there a second? I heard a second. Is there any discussion? Seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed?

2062
04:20:02,640 --> 04:20:06,010
the ayes have it. Congratulations to all the nominees. Your next item is agenda item 76. Agenda item 76 authorized a resolution reporting the
Results of balloting for a

2063
04:20:15,530 --> 04:20:15,530
nominee or nominees to the dallas central appraisal district board of directors.

2064
04:20:20,730 --> 04:20:20,730
this is your item, mr. Mayor. Mayor pro tem,
You have a motion.

2065
04:20:25,770 --> 04:20:25,770
yes. Just a second. Okay. I

2066
04:20:35,690 --> 04:20:35,690
move that the city of dallas cast its 350 votes for the 2026,
2029 dallas central appraisal district board of directors to the following candidates

2067
04:20:46,570 --> 04:20:46,570
pauline medrano, 150 votes larry offutt. Excuse me,
Pauline medrano, 175 votes larry offutt,

2068
04:20:53,970 --> 04:20:57,970
175 votes. Is there a second? It's been moved and seconded. Any discussion? Mayor pro tem? No. Is there any discussion on anyone?

2069
04:21:01,850 --> 04:21:04,010
seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? The ayes have it. Next item. Agenda item 77. Authorize a resolution reporting the results
Of balloting

2070
04:21:13,930 --> 04:21:13,930
for a nominee or nominees to the collin central appraisal district board of directors.

2071
04:21:18,770 --> 04:21:21,410
this is your item, mr. Mayor. Looking for a motion? I have a motion. I heard a motion. Is there a second?

2072
04:21:24,170 --> 04:21:24,170
I move that the city of dallas cast is 27 votes for the 2026,
2029 collin central appraisal district board of directors for the following candidate

2073
04:21:32,890 --> 04:21:32,890
jerry tartaglia, tara tartaglia and I'd have some comments.

2074
04:21:40,450 --> 04:21:42,370
wait, wait. Hold on one second. What is that? The motion that you just read said before that you have comments?

2075
04:21:45,770 --> 04:21:49,530
is there a second? Second. All right. Yeah. Five minutes. Thank you. This is the first time that the city of dallas is pledging votes to jerry.

2076
04:21:54,770 --> 04:21:54,770
he is a former prosper mayor. He currently serves on the had board,
And he is known for being very responsive and

2077
04:22:04,420 --> 04:22:04,420
community minded. Not only has he been a mayor,
He was a council member and on board of adjustment and planning and zoning.

2078
04:22:11,380 --> 04:22:15,220
thank you. Anyone else want to speak on for or against the motion? Seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed?

2079
04:22:18,060 --> 04:22:18,060
the ayes have it. Next item. Agenda item 78. Authorize a resolution reporting the results
Of balloting for a nominee or nominees to the denton central appraisal

2080
04:22:28,060 --> 04:22:30,860
district board of directors. This is your item,
Mr. Mayor. Looking for a motion. Thank you. I move that the city of dallas cast ten votes for
The 2026 2029 denton central appraisal district board of

2081
04:22:40,580 --> 04:22:40,580
directors to the following candidate. And and it's ten votes.

2082
04:22:45,540 --> 04:22:45,540
and I do have comments. That's the motion. Is there a second second.

2083
04:22:51,060 --> 04:22:51,060
it's been moved in second. You have five minutes. Thank you. We have nominated and twice
Previously.

2084
04:22:56,500 --> 04:22:56,500
she is the former director of the texas instruments foundation.

2085
04:23:00,830 --> 04:23:00,830
she was also a mayor of her small town and is a very lovely woman.

2086
04:23:06,630 --> 04:23:10,470
so anyone else want to speak on for or against the motion? Seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

2087
04:23:14,350 --> 04:23:14,350
ayes have it. Next item. Agenda item 79. Consideration of appointment to the dallas fort
Worth international airport.

2088
04:23:22,430 --> 04:23:22,430
board of directors for position nine to fill the remaining 2024 2026 unexpired term with
Service to begin december 10th,

2089
04:23:31,550 --> 04:23:31,550
2025 and end january 31st, 2026. This is your item,
Mr.

2090
04:23:36,470 --> 04:23:36,470
mayor. I move to appoint monika bravo to the.

2091
04:23:40,950 --> 04:23:40,950
hold on one second. Yeah, yeah. We're going to ignore all the sounds you heard until we
Heard that sound.

2092
04:23:50,510 --> 04:23:50,510
I move to appoint monika lara bravo to the dallas fort worth international airport board
Of directors to fill old position nine,

2093
04:23:58,310 --> 04:23:58,310
a vacant position for the remaining unexpired term to begin today and to expire january
31st,

2094
04:24:04,710 --> 04:24:08,670
2026. Second, there we go. All right. So we have a motion in a second. Any discussion, any discussion. Anyone? Seeing none.

2095
04:24:12,390 --> 04:24:15,430
all in favor, say aye. Any opposed? The ayes have it. All right. Agenda item 80. Consideration of appointments to the dallas fort worth
International airport.

2096
04:24:21,750 --> 04:24:21,750
board of directors for positions four, six and nine.

2097
04:24:25,950 --> 04:24:25,950
this is your item, mr. Mayor. Looking for a motion,
I move to appoint the following individuals.

2098
04:24:30,630 --> 04:24:30,630
monika lira. Bravo, vincent hall and angela hunt to the dallas fort worth international
Airport board of directors to fill positions four,

2099
04:24:39,830 --> 04:24:39,830
six and nine with the terms beginning february 1st,
2026 and expiring january 31st, 2028.

2100
04:24:49,310 --> 04:24:52,510
it's been moved. And second, is there any discussion? Seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Eyes.

2101
04:24:55,280 --> 04:24:55,280
have it. Next item agenda item 81 authorized one.

2102
04:25:01,360 --> 04:25:01,360
the application for and acceptance of a grant from the us department of justice,
Doj office of community oriented policing services.

2103
04:25:10,840 --> 04:25:10,840
cops for the fy 25 cops hiring program grant in the amount of $6,250,000 for the

2104
04:25:20,640 --> 04:25:20,640
hiring of 50 police officers over a five year grant period from october 1st,
2020 through september 30th,

2105
04:25:29,280 --> 04:25:29,280
2032. The establishment of appropriations in an amount not to exceed $6,250,000 in the doj
Fy

2106
04:25:39,200 --> 04:25:39,200
25 cops hiring program grant fund three the receipt and deposit of funds in an amount not
To exceed $6,250,000 in the

2107
04:25:49,040 --> 04:25:49,040
doj fy 25 cops hiring program grant fund for a local cash match in the amount of
$12,261,650.

2108
04:26:00,930 --> 04:26:00,930
five at 50 police officer positions and six execution of the grant agreement with the doj
And all terms,

2109
04:26:09,610 --> 04:26:12,610
conditions and documents required by the agreement. Total not to exceed $18,511,650. This is your item,
Mr.

2110
04:26:19,170 --> 04:26:22,090
mayor. Looking for a motion to approve. All right. It's been moved and seconded. Any discussion,
Chairman ridley?

2111
04:26:25,370 --> 04:26:25,370
yes. Five minutes on questions for staff. This is unclear.

2112
04:26:30,010 --> 04:26:33,330
it says that we're authorizing the application for. Have we already applied and been accepted, or is this just an application authorization?

2113
04:26:42,050 --> 04:26:45,810
this is martin riojas, assistant director for the dallas police department. We have we have applied for the grant. We are awarded the grant,
But we have to basically come to council to get authorization to accept the grant.

2114
04:26:55,180 --> 04:26:58,780
okay. So we've been awarded the grant conditioned on council approval. That's correct. Okay. Thank you. Chairman mendelsohn,
You're recognized for five minutes.

2115
04:27:05,460 --> 04:27:05,460
thank you. I just want to clarify city secretary,
You just had a word misspoken, which is?

2116
04:27:10,740 --> 04:27:13,860
this is for community oriented policing. They're giving us. Police officers are paying a portion of our policing for a very important thing.

2117
04:27:17,900 --> 04:27:17,900
and I think you just said policy, and I just want to make sure that it was on the record
Correctly.

2118
04:27:22,420 --> 04:27:22,420
thank you. Is there anyone else would like to speak on for or against agenda item 81
Seeing none.

2119
04:27:28,580 --> 04:27:31,580
all in favor, say aye. Any opposed? The ayes have it. Thanks. This side of the horseshoe for participating in that vote.

2120
04:27:36,420 --> 04:27:36,420
it's approved. Go ahead. Agenda item 82, authorized supplemental agreement number one to
The cooperative purchasing agreement with

2121
04:27:46,100 --> 04:27:46,100
axon enterprise, inc. Through sourcewell contract to one and corporate incorporate
Sourcewell contract

2122
04:27:55,860 --> 04:27:55,860
number 1012238xn to add upgraded technologies and expanded services,

2123
04:28:06,540 --> 04:28:06,540
and to add one three year renewal option to the contract term to give the city the
Opportunity to purchase the newer technology available

2124
04:28:16,380 --> 04:28:16,380
under the new sourcewell cooperative purchase agreement.

2125
04:28:20,860 --> 04:28:20,860
number 1012238xn for additional three years to co-op to cooperative purchasing agreement
With axon enterprise,

2126
04:28:30,340 --> 04:28:30,340
inc. And three add 500 additional public safety plan licenses,
Increasing the number of digital video recorders,

2127
04:28:40,140 --> 04:28:40,140
dvr and vehicles. Refreshing dvrs in existing vehicles.

2128
04:28:45,820 --> 04:28:45,820
adding drone as a first responder. Capabilities.

2129
04:28:50,670 --> 04:28:50,670
drone avoidance software. Increased artificial intelligence capabilities.

2130
04:28:56,230 --> 04:28:56,230
adding safety, security, security. Officers of the dallas municipal court department and
Other new public safety technology enhancements

2131
04:29:06,150 --> 04:29:06,150
not to exceed $120,621,927.03 from

2132
04:29:13,470 --> 04:29:13,470
$146,855,764.27 to

2133
04:29:21,820 --> 04:29:21,820
$267,477,691.30. This is your item, mr. Mayor.

2134
04:29:28,190 --> 04:29:30,510
is there a motion? Move to approve. All right. It's moved and seconded. Any discussion? Seeing none.

2135
04:29:33,270 --> 04:29:37,150
all in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you. Agenda item 83. Authorize one. The execution of amendment number one to the
Advance

2136
04:29:47,080 --> 04:29:47,080
funding agreement afe with the texas department of transportation.

2137
04:29:51,280 --> 04:29:51,280
txdot for the woodall rodgers park deck plaza extension structure on system from west of
Akard street to saint paul

2138
04:30:00,880 --> 04:30:00,880
street to reflect updates and project budget and funding participation,
To an increase in the estimated project budget by

2139
04:30:10,840 --> 04:30:10,840
$57,000,980 from $65,383,008 to

2140
04:30:20,560 --> 04:30:20,560
$122,383,988. Due to the increase in the cost estimates based on the up to date
Comprehensive

2141
04:30:30,000 --> 04:30:30,000
project analysis, of which the federal portion is increased by

2142
04:30:35,160 --> 04:30:35,160
$27,848,437 from $100,000

2143
04:30:43,970 --> 04:30:43,970
to $64,648,437, and the local portion is increased by

2144
04:30:51,320 --> 04:30:51,320
37,895,055, $551 from $19,840,000

2145
04:30:59,730 --> 04:30:59,730
to $57,735,551. Three, an increase of $6,500,000

2146
04:31:09,600 --> 04:31:09,600
in the city's previously authorized construction cost allocation.

2147
04:31:17,880 --> 04:31:17,880
from $9,600,000 to $16,100,000 from the park and recreation facilities b fund,
For an

2148
04:31:27,760 --> 04:31:27,760
increase in appropriations in the woodall rodgers development fund,
In an amount not to exceed $28,850,090.

2149
04:31:37,880 --> 04:31:37,880
five the receipt and deposit of funds in an amount not to exceed $28,850,090 in the
Woodall rodgers development fund,

2150
04:31:46,970 --> 04:31:46,970
and six the disbursement of additional funds in an amount not to exceed $37,000,092 to
Txdot for construction of the project,

2151
04:31:56,730 --> 04:31:56,730
not to exceed $37,000,092. This is your item,
Mr.

2152
04:32:01,010 --> 04:32:01,010
mayor. Looking for a motion. Move! Approval. All right,
I heard motion a second.

2153
04:32:06,450 --> 04:32:09,850
any discussion? Seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it. Next item. Agenda item 84.

2154
04:32:19,370 --> 04:32:19,370
authorize the one acceptance of a grant from the us department of homeland security,
Federal emergency management agency,

2155
04:32:27,970 --> 04:32:27,970
fema, through the texas division of emergency management,
Tdm for the legislative pre-disaster mitigation program fy

2156
04:32:37,770 --> 04:32:37,770
2024. For the purchase and installation of an emergency power generator at keith's
Recreation center,

2157
04:32:47,300 --> 04:32:47,300
located at 3081 southampton road, in the amount of $659,639.93,
Of which the state's

2158
04:32:57,060 --> 04:32:57,060
portion is $494,729.94 75% to be provided by the

2159
04:33:06,380 --> 04:33:06,380
tdm, fy 24 legislative pre-disaster mitigation program grant fund.

2160
04:33:12,700 --> 04:33:12,700
the local match portion is $164,909.99, 25% to be provided by the general fund and the
State's

2161
04:33:22,740 --> 04:33:22,740
reimbursement to the city of dallas, in an amount not to exceed $494,729.94 for the period
September 19th,

2162
04:33:32,260 --> 04:33:32,260
2024 through september 18th, 2027. Two. Establishment of appropriations in an amount not
To exceed

2163
04:33:39,820 --> 04:33:39,820
$494,729.94, and the fy 24 legislative pre-disaster mitigation program grant

2164
04:33:49,380 --> 04:33:49,380
fund three receipt and deposit of funds in the amount not to exceed $494,729.94 into the
Fy

2165
04:34:00,780 --> 04:34:00,780
24 legislative pre-disaster mitigation program grant fund for local cash match in an
Amount not to exceed

2166
04:34:08,540 --> 04:34:08,540
$164,909.99 from the general fund, and five execution of the grant agreement with tdm

2167
04:34:18,340 --> 04:34:22,220
and all terms, conditions and documents required by the agreement. This is your item, mr. Mayor. For motion 84. Move to approve.

2168
04:34:26,580 --> 04:34:29,300
thank you. I heard a motion and a second. Any discussion? Seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

2169
04:34:32,020 --> 04:34:32,020
ayes have it. Next item, please. Agenda item 85.

2170
04:34:36,430 --> 04:34:36,430
authorize a five year service contract in the amount of $781,250,
With three one year renewal options in the amount of

2171
04:34:46,310 --> 04:34:46,310
$468,750, as detailed in the fiscal information section for real estate brokerage and
Consulting services for the department

2172
04:34:56,310 --> 04:34:56,310
of facilities and real estate management, cbre,
Inc.

2173
04:35:01,470 --> 04:35:01,470
most advantageous proposer of nine total not to exceed $1,250,000.

2174
04:35:07,230 --> 04:35:10,110
this is your item, mr. Mayor. Looking for a motion? Item 85. I heard a motion to approve. And a second.

2175
04:35:12,830 --> 04:35:15,870
is there any discussion? Seeing none. All in favor,
Say aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it. Next item please. Thank you,
Mr.

2176
04:35:19,670 --> 04:35:19,670
mayor. We'll now move to your zoning agenda. Will you allow me a couple of seconds to
Confirm a zoning item?

2177
04:35:26,710 --> 04:35:26,710
okay.

2178
04:36:31,970 --> 04:36:31,970
thank you, mr. Mayor. Before we move to your zoning agenda,
Mr.

2179
04:36:36,930 --> 04:36:36,930
mayor, councilmember johnson would like to be recognized on item z three.

2180
04:36:43,170 --> 04:36:43,170
chairman johnson, you recognized for a motion. Thank you. Mayor johnson,
I move to defer this item to february 25th,

2181
04:36:49,090 --> 04:36:52,730
2026. Second, it's been moved in. Second. Any discussion? No, sir. Any discussion? Anyone seeing none. All in favor,
Say aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it. Motions deferred.

2182
04:36:58,010 --> 04:36:58,010
thank you, mr. Mayor. Council member blair would like to be recognized on item z 13.

2183
04:37:03,450 --> 04:37:06,370
thank you. Mr. Blair. You recognized for a motion. I'm sorry. You're good. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I move to defer this item until january 14th,
2026.

2184
04:37:12,090 --> 04:37:14,970
is there a second? It's been moved in. Second discussion,
Mr. Blair. Discussion. Anyone? Seeing none. All in favor,
Say aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it. Next item. Thank you.

2185
04:37:19,730 --> 04:37:19,730
we'll now move to your zoning agenda. Your zoning agenda consisted of items z one through
Z 13.

2186
04:37:27,090 --> 04:37:27,090
item z one was deleted, item three was previously deferred and item z13 was previously
Deferred.

2187
04:37:37,610 --> 04:37:37,610
therefore, your zoning consent agenda consists of items z2,
Z4, through

2188
04:37:47,650 --> 04:37:47,650
z10 and z12. I'll read those items into the record.

2189
04:37:53,650 --> 04:37:53,650
item z2 is a public hearing to receive to a public hearing,
And an ordinance granting a new specific use permit for a tower antenna for cellular

2190
04:38:01,930 --> 04:38:01,930
communications limited to monopole cellular tower on property on the south east line of
South boulevard,

2191
04:38:08,930 --> 04:38:08,930
northeast of colonial avenue. Item z4 is a public hearing on an ordinance granting a new
Specific use permit to allow a group of

2192
04:38:18,450 --> 04:38:18,450
residential facility on property on the southeast line of park avenue,
Northeast of colonial avenue.

2193
04:38:25,530 --> 04:38:25,530
item z5 is a public hearing on an ordinance granting an amendment to specific use permit
Number 2261 for a metal salvage facility,

2194
04:38:34,420 --> 04:38:34,420
use on property on the east line of luna road and on the north line of ryan road.

2195
04:38:43,340 --> 04:38:43,340
item c-6 is a public hearing on an ordinance granting an mu three mixed use district and a
Resolution accepting deed restrictions volunteered by the applicant on

2196
04:38:53,300 --> 04:38:53,300
property on the east line of vicksburg street between burgess boulevard and mississippi
Avenue.

2197
04:38:59,340 --> 04:38:59,340
item c-7 is a public hearing and an ordinance granting a new subdistrict with planned
Development district number 595,

2198
04:39:06,500 --> 04:39:06,500
the south dallas fair park special purpose district,
On property on the northwest line of spring avenue and southwest line of sutton street.

2199
04:39:17,220 --> 04:39:17,220
item z8 is a public hearing and an ordinance granting the renewal of specific use permit
Number 1796 for an attached projecting non premise

2200
04:39:26,710 --> 04:39:26,710
district activity video board sign on property on the southeast line of main street
Between south street and south ervay street.

2201
04:39:36,350 --> 04:39:36,350
item zero nine is a public hearing and an ordinance granting an amendment to a development
Plan for subarea b within plan development district number

2202
04:39:45,750 --> 04:39:45,750
811 on the south side of interstate highway 30 between west colorado boulevard and north
Cockrell hill road.

2203
04:39:53,350 --> 04:39:53,350
item z10 is a public hearing and an ordinance granting an amendment to specific use permit
Number 2355 for a late hours establishment

2204
04:40:02,950 --> 04:40:02,950
limited to an alcohol beverage alcoholic beverage establishment for a bar,
Lounge, or tavern.

2205
04:40:08,590 --> 04:40:08,590
use on property on the west line of greenville avenue southeast of ross avenue and item z
12 is a

2206
04:40:18,550 --> 04:40:18,550
public hearing and an ordinance granting an amendment to plan development district number
765 to create a new subarea b on property on the southeast corner of

2207
04:40:28,310 --> 04:40:28,310
mapleshade lane and oxford drive. You do have an individual who has signed up to speak on
Two of your

2208
04:40:39,110 --> 04:40:39,110
zoning items, item z2 and z4 chris simmons. Okay.

2209
04:40:45,110 --> 04:40:45,110
he's not speaking. Thank you. Are there any other individuals in the audience that would
Like to address the city council on any of the zoning items that were just

2210
04:40:54,670 --> 04:40:54,670
previously read into the record? I see two individuals coming forward.

2211
04:41:16,230 --> 04:41:16,230
one speaker at a time. And please state your name and address for the record you'll be
Given three minutes.

2212
04:41:37,440 --> 04:41:37,440
there's a button at the base. And also, could you identify the zoning item you'll be
Speaking on?

2213
04:41:41,960 --> 04:41:41,960
I think it's z-2. That's the tower. Is that it?

2214
04:41:47,000 --> 04:41:47,000
my name is t.a. Sneed. I reside at 1820 south boulevard,
Which is just next door to the proposed tower.

2215
04:41:56,080 --> 04:41:56,080
the current zoning was placed. Hold on a minute.

2216
04:42:03,280 --> 04:42:03,280
at the october 23rd, 2025 hearing before the dallas planning zoning commission.

2217
04:42:08,400 --> 04:42:08,400
mr. Simmons testified that the proposed 90 foot cell tower was needed due to a drop cell
To drop cell calls.

2218
04:42:15,000 --> 04:42:15,000
however, neither he nor anyone else provided details on the frequency of these dropped
Calls,

2219
04:42:20,970 --> 04:42:20,970
or the specific locations of where they occurred,
Or whether others had similar experiences.

2220
04:42:25,530 --> 04:42:25,530
importantly, mr. Simmons acknowledged owning other properties where,
Except for the tower could be erected.

2221
04:42:32,290 --> 04:42:32,290
he also stated that he resided in cedar hill,
Texas, an area known for less reliable cell phone coverage compared to south boulevard,

2222
04:42:39,850 --> 04:42:39,850
which is only 1.2 miles from the dallas central business district,
Which enjoys excellent cell phone reception.

2223
04:42:46,650 --> 04:42:46,650
when I when I inquired the panel, the planning zone panel,
No member reported having a 90 foot tower adjacent to their homes or being familiar with

2224
04:42:55,330 --> 04:42:59,090
such a tower placed in the residential neighborhood in dallas. Moreover, none expressed a desire to have one near their residence.

2225
04:43:03,130 --> 04:43:03,130
one member noted that the antennas are now commonly placed on rooftops of high rise
Buildings,

2226
04:43:08,450 --> 04:43:08,450
instead of standalone towers. I purchased my home at 1820 south boulevard in 1984.

2227
04:43:15,090 --> 04:43:15,090
over the years, its value has increased, contrary to verizon's zoning change application.

2228
04:43:20,180 --> 04:43:20,180
the proposed tower would be a stark departure from the character of the 1800 block of
South boulevard and would undoubtedly,

2229
04:43:26,940 --> 04:43:26,940
undoubtedly diminish my home's value. The current zoning was placed in the mid 1970s to
Allow safeway foods to build a grocery store.

2230
04:43:35,220 --> 04:43:35,220
safeway had originally planned to build a larger store with parking that would have spread
Over to the south boulevard.

2231
04:43:41,340 --> 04:43:41,340
the original plan was scrapped, and safeway built a smaller store,
Which was subsequently purchased by minyard foods.

2232
04:43:47,620 --> 04:43:47,620
several years later, built a much larger store on martin luther king junior boulevard and
Cullum,

2233
04:43:53,140 --> 04:43:53,140
a 14 unit residential apartment complex was built on the subject property at 1814 south
Boulevard.

2234
04:44:00,260 --> 04:44:00,260
there has never been any commerce on south boulevard since the addition was built roughly
In roughly 1916.

2235
04:44:08,660 --> 04:44:08,660
also asked were the health and safety and environmental concerns related to cell towers
Were considered in approving the zoning request.

2236
04:44:16,420 --> 04:44:16,420
board chairman tony, I hope I'm saying that correctly acknowledged that such concerns are
Always raised in cell tower cases,

2237
04:44:23,420 --> 04:44:26,860
but stated that they had not been considered in this case. With all due respect, when children and seniors live within feet of a proposed tower,
Especially where other towers already exist,

2238
04:44:33,820 --> 04:44:33,820
these concerns should not be should be addressed before recommending approval of
Additional towers.

2239
04:44:39,500 --> 04:44:39,500
I've learned that many texas cities, including austin,
Denton, fort worth, frisco, garland,

2240
04:44:43,740 --> 04:44:43,740
southlake, tarrant county and mcallen have established zoning laws regarding cell towers.

2241
04:44:48,780 --> 04:44:51,460
another commissioner asked, that's your time. All right. Well, I ask that the tower not be placed there.

2242
04:44:55,940 --> 04:44:55,940
thank you. Next speaker. Please state your name and address for the record.

2243
04:45:03,420 --> 04:45:03,420
and also what item you'll be speaking on. Kimberly vaughn dallas,
Desoto, texas.

2244
04:45:10,580 --> 04:45:14,030
let's see. It's my time. Ready? I want to make sure I don't go over time. There you go. Okay. I'm here regarding case z2 requests for a 95 foot monopole cellular
Tower located within the fmu three

2245
04:45:24,030 --> 04:45:24,030
form subdistrict of pd 595, in south dallas fair park.

2246
04:45:29,230 --> 04:45:29,230
before I begin, I want to be very clear I support improved wireless service for our
Community.

2247
04:45:34,870 --> 04:45:34,870
stronger cellular coverage is essential for safety,
Economic development, and quality of life.

2248
04:45:40,390 --> 04:45:40,390
my concern is not that the need of a tower, it is the location and the lack of due
Diligence in evaluating its impact on nearby residents.

2249
04:45:49,790 --> 04:45:52,750
I reviewed the publicly posted case documents. The file contains a site plan and general sup conditions,
But it does not include environmental impact study.

2250
04:46:00,030 --> 04:46:03,870
it does not include noise or light pollution analysis. It does not include structural fall zone or hazard assessment.

2251
04:46:08,230 --> 04:46:12,000
it does not include stormwater or drain water plan. It does not include buffering or screening analysis for residential that are adjacent.

2252
04:46:17,120 --> 04:46:20,920
it does not include any alternative site evaluations. Without this information, the council cannot fully evaluate risk compatibility or public
Welfare impacts under the city's sup criteria,

2253
04:46:30,760 --> 04:46:30,760
you are required to determine whether a proposed use is not detrimental to the public
Health,

2254
04:46:36,400 --> 04:46:36,400
safety or general welfare, and whether it is compatible in adjacent property.

2255
04:46:41,920 --> 04:46:41,920
today, there is no factual basis in this case to make those findings.

2256
04:46:46,280 --> 04:46:46,280
this is not a standard commercial zone. It is form based plan development designed to
Support walkable,

2257
04:46:53,200 --> 04:46:53,200
compatible residential and commercial uses. A 90 foot tower positioned 60ft from a
Residence is a significant departure from the intended

2258
04:47:02,640 --> 04:47:02,640
scale in form of its district approving this sup without environmental compatibility
Studies do weaken the planning protection.

2259
04:47:11,560 --> 04:47:11,560
pd 595 was created to achieve better service,
And responsible siting should go hand in hand.

2260
04:47:19,120 --> 04:47:19,120
this community deserves infrastructure advancement without compromising safety,
Transparency or planning integrity.

2261
04:47:27,080 --> 04:47:27,080
the issue here is procedural. The record is incomplete.

2262
04:47:31,120 --> 04:47:31,120
key assessments simply were not provided. Therefore,
Based on the incomplete public record,

2263
04:47:36,560 --> 04:47:36,560
the absence of required environmental safety and compatibility analysis,
And the inconsistency our respective respectfully move that the council either

2264
04:47:46,520 --> 04:47:46,520
one of two things deny the the specific user use permit or continue the case until the
Applicant submits a complete public available

2265
04:47:56,320 --> 04:47:59,280
packet, including environmental impact assessment. Fall zone. Stormwater. Residential. Adjacent buffering.

2266
04:48:02,800 --> 04:48:02,800
evaluation of the alternate sites. Thank you.

2267
04:48:06,850 --> 04:48:06,850
thank you. Are there any other individuals in the audience that would like to address the
City council on any of the zoning consent agenda,

2268
04:48:15,010 --> 04:48:15,010
items that were just read into the record? No further speakers.

2269
04:48:20,090 --> 04:48:23,570
mr. Mayor, this is your no further speakers on your zoning consent. Is there a motion? Motion to approve. There's a motion.

2270
04:48:27,410 --> 04:48:27,410
second. Any discussion? Yes. Council member bazaldua.

2271
04:48:31,930 --> 04:48:31,930
thank you. I just want to address z2 that is in district seven.

2272
04:48:37,490 --> 04:48:37,490
I know that it was expressed from a speaker here today that there was no environmental.

2273
04:48:42,330 --> 04:48:42,330
and I'd like for the attorneys to opine on our ability to consider environmental impact on
The approval of land use for cellular towers.

2274
04:48:53,930 --> 04:48:53,930
thank you for the question. The cell towers are regulated.

2275
04:48:57,970 --> 04:49:00,930
we are allowed to regulate the land use only. All of the other aspects of it are regulated by the epa.

2276
04:49:06,820 --> 04:49:06,820
thank you very much. And if andrea could come to the mic and just speak to its
Compatibility to our area

2277
04:49:16,540 --> 04:49:16,540
plans.

2278
04:49:26,780 --> 04:49:26,780
thank you so much for the question, andrea. Planning and development.

2279
04:49:31,060 --> 04:49:31,060
yeah. Staff's recommendation was approval. City planning commission's recommendation was
Approval for 20 years.

2280
04:49:37,140 --> 04:49:37,140
we deemed it compatible because the neighborhood mixed use place type for,
For for dallas says that uses primary uses as

2281
04:49:46,540 --> 04:49:46,540
multiplex apartments and it goes into saying utility type of uses can be primary.

2282
04:49:52,340 --> 04:49:52,340
so from a from a planning again or compliance or looking into for dallas we say it does
Comply with the

2283
04:50:01,940 --> 04:50:01,940
vision as said as, a comprehensive plan. And if there was significant opposition from the
Community,

2284
04:50:12,220 --> 04:50:12,220
that would have triggered our requirement to have a higher threshold to pass,
Etc..

2285
04:50:21,180 --> 04:50:24,820
can you explain the opposition and support that we have? Yes. So we sent 15 notices to property owners within 500ft of the area of request.

2286
04:50:30,900 --> 04:50:34,180
we received one reply in favor and one in opposition. If we would have received more than 20% of the area notified area within 200ft of the area
Request that opposition would

2287
04:50:44,140 --> 04:50:44,140
have triggered the necessity of a three quarters vote from council to pass,
But that's not the case.

2288
04:50:50,820 --> 04:50:50,820
thank you. And I just want to put for the record that our district seven city plan
Commissioner tabitha wheeler reagan

2289
04:51:01,390 --> 04:51:01,390
is also a co-chair for our area plan that was exhaustive for four years and is now
Spearheading the authorized hearing for pd five.

2290
04:51:10,950 --> 04:51:10,950
95 is that accurate as well? Yes. Yes. Okay. Thank you.

2291
04:51:15,110 --> 04:51:15,110
for those reasons, I will be supportive of z2 and the issues that were raised are of
Course important.

2292
04:51:20,910 --> 04:51:20,910
however, not ones that would sway us on a decision one way or the other besides our legal
Capabilities of addressing

2293
04:51:30,230 --> 04:51:30,230
environmental with cellular towers, it's also one that is compatible with area plans and
Work that we have had for years.

2294
04:51:39,270 --> 04:51:39,270
at this point, if you hear colleagues, we had the same notice and opportunity to hear from
The public.

2295
04:51:45,950 --> 04:51:49,310
we heard from one in opposition and one in support. I don't believe that there's a clear consensus to push against bringing better cellular
Service,

2296
04:51:54,310 --> 04:51:54,310
which is something we hear often in the southern part of our city.

2297
04:51:58,470 --> 04:51:58,470
so I believe this to be a value and and a welcomed asset to our community.

2298
04:52:04,760 --> 04:52:04,760
thank you, mr. Mayor. Anyone else want to speak on for or against zoning consent agenda?

2299
04:52:09,960 --> 04:52:13,280
seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? The ayes have it. Consent agenda is adopted. Zoning consent.

2300
04:52:16,600 --> 04:52:16,600
next item. Thank you. Item 11. Item c-11 is a public hearing and an ordinance.

2301
04:52:27,560 --> 04:52:31,400
thank you, mr. Mayor. I'm sorry. We we're going to move to item z 15. Sorry. We'll move ahead a bit. I'm sorry. Item z 15.

2302
04:52:39,160 --> 04:52:39,160
is a public hearing and an ordinance granting rr regional retail district and a resolution
Accepting deed restrictions volunteered by the applicant on property on the southeast

2303
04:52:49,160 --> 04:52:49,160
corner of hillcrest road and lbj freeway. Mr.

2304
04:52:58,490 --> 04:52:58,490
mayor for item c15, we sent nine notices to property owners within 400ft of the area of
Request.

2305
04:53:06,010 --> 04:53:09,770
we received one reply in favor and two replies in opposition. Due to more than 20% opposition received for this case,
The item requires three quarters vote to pass.

2306
04:53:18,290 --> 04:53:18,290
thank you. You. You have 24 individuals who have signed up to speak on this item.

2307
04:53:23,450 --> 04:53:23,450
after those speakers are heard, it will be open to any other individuals in the audience
That would like to address the city council on this item.

2308
04:53:31,330 --> 04:53:31,330
item c 15. I'm going to call the first 12 speakers.

2309
04:53:35,970 --> 04:53:35,970
when I call your name, please come forward and have a seat on the first two rows of this
Center section.

2310
04:53:43,370 --> 04:53:43,370
leslie decillis and leslie decillis. If you're here,
You can come to the podium julie allen,

2311
04:53:50,810 --> 04:53:50,810
chris aldridge, burl george, don christensen,
Mary smith, daniel.

2312
04:53:58,690 --> 04:53:58,690
roby, lucien abbondanzo, diane glaser, joan nye,

2313
04:54:08,490 --> 04:54:08,490
kathy kaufmann, frank michalopoulos those are your first 12.

2314
04:54:17,130 --> 04:54:17,130
you may begin. Each speaker will be given three minutes to speak.

2315
04:54:22,090 --> 04:54:22,090
okay. I am leslie decillis. I live in dallas,
Texas, very close to the property.

2316
04:54:27,490 --> 04:54:27,490
my points are really more emotional in nature,
Not fact based, but I'd like to say that everybody that is here is here because of us.

2317
04:54:38,010 --> 04:54:38,010
we elect you and we expect you to treat that with great care.

2318
04:54:43,610 --> 04:54:43,610
you answer to parishioners that will be at 12 religious institutions in this neighborhood,

2319
04:54:49,250 --> 04:54:49,250
children at three schools, 2000 in homeowners that live near where there will be a huge 18
Wheeler truck bay,

2320
04:54:58,380 --> 04:55:02,340
which will cross back and forth over hillcrest avenue. Why do people feel like city hall is not hearing what we have to say?

2321
04:55:07,340 --> 04:55:11,340
because it seems like you cannot be bothered. If you could, you would have looked at the stark contradiction between what ford dallas
Says and what this plan provides.

2322
04:55:20,700 --> 04:55:20,700
if you could, you would have required potentially a planned use development instead of a
Very large zoning change.

2323
04:55:27,860 --> 04:55:27,860
if you could, you would think how you would feel if a zoning change is proposed in your
District and everybody else voted against you.

2324
04:55:36,380 --> 04:55:36,380
if you could, you would request that these issues had been addressed,
Such as traffic safety,

2325
04:55:41,260 --> 04:55:41,260
flooding, permission of neighborhood buildings,
And negotiation of deed restrictions prior to the time that cpc advised that it go

2326
04:55:49,940 --> 04:55:49,940
forward. So if you care, we recommend that you vote no to send it back to address these
Issues and concerns with cpc.

2327
04:55:57,870 --> 04:56:01,550
if you can't be bothered, I would say don't worry about it. The citizens of dallas will figure this out for themselves and they will vote accordingly.

2328
04:56:06,470 --> 04:56:06,470
don't worry, businesses and citizens will decide not to live and stay in a district whose
Planning has gone awry.

2329
04:56:13,190 --> 04:56:13,190
don't worry, you'll face the same issues again and eventually you'll all have to face them
And your constituents.

2330
04:56:20,070 --> 04:56:20,070
and don't worry, this top ten city will fall into oblivion and people will say,
Dallas used to be such a great place to live.

2331
04:56:29,150 --> 04:56:29,150
thank you. Thank you, julie allen. My name is julie allen and I live at

2332
04:56:38,710 --> 04:56:38,710
5337 kelsey road in dallas. I grew up on the border along the south texas in south texas,
And I have been an heb shopper

2333
04:56:48,630 --> 04:56:48,630
for life. I am happy to say I am a lifer. I grew up with heb,
Whataburger and luby's, three texas great

2334
04:56:58,150 --> 04:56:58,150
originals, the texas trifecta in dallas. Currently,
I've been able to eat at luby's.

2335
04:57:04,910 --> 04:57:04,910
I can go to whataburger everywhere, but I have to drive to plano to shop at heb.

2336
04:57:11,630 --> 04:57:11,630
heb is an amazing company. They truly value their employees and the communities they are
Part of.

2337
04:57:17,470 --> 04:57:17,470
I live in one of the neighborhoods that was hit by the tornado in 2019.

2338
04:57:22,910 --> 04:57:22,910
we were one of the lucky ones. Our house was livable and we were only without power for
Eight days.

2339
04:57:28,950 --> 04:57:28,950
the central market at preston royal, just two miles from me,
Did not fare as well as it was hit directly the night of the tornado.

2340
04:57:36,990 --> 04:57:36,990
despite the destruction of their store, central market employees took the time to help
Customers who had been in the store when it was hit.

2341
04:57:44,430 --> 04:57:44,430
they helped them get home. They checked on neighbors in the homes immediately around the
Store.

2342
04:57:49,760 --> 04:57:49,760
heb corporate sent its ginormous food truck and set it up in the central market parking
Lot for about a week,

2343
04:57:57,120 --> 04:57:57,120
offering free meals, lunch, breakfast, dinner,
Snacks and cleaning supplies.

2344
04:58:03,440 --> 04:58:03,440
I was in my front yard several days after the storm,
Only to look up and see a golf cart coming down my road,

2345
04:58:10,240 --> 04:58:10,240
offering neighbors and all the workmen cold drinks and hamburgers,
Along with cleaning supplies,

2346
04:58:16,320 --> 04:58:16,320
all from h-e-b and central market. I think it's also important to note that at that same
Intersection where the central market is at preston royal,

2347
04:58:25,680 --> 04:58:25,680
there is a tom thumb, and they did nothing to help their neighbors.

2348
04:58:31,600 --> 04:58:31,600
central market and h-e-b donated $1 million to disd to help to help rebuild thomas
Jefferson high school and walnut hill elementary.

2349
04:58:41,840 --> 04:58:45,770
I volunteered at my first feast of sharing in dallas this year. It is an event that central market and heb held in november,
And they've been doing it in fair park for about 15 years.

2350
04:58:52,970 --> 04:58:52,970
they fed 8000 people in four hours, a delicious sit down thanksgiving meal.

2351
04:58:57,330 --> 04:58:57,330
in addition to the meal, they offered their guests showers,
Haircuts, flu shots, new coats,

2352
04:59:03,250 --> 04:59:03,250
free books for children, arts and crafts, photos with santa,
Live music and a marching band.

2353
04:59:08,490 --> 04:59:12,290
it was amazing and I can't wait to volunteer there next year. I understand that the neighbors surrounding the proposed location have had some concerns,
But I also understand that heb is in its desire to be a good neighbor,

2354
04:59:20,650 --> 04:59:20,650
and part of the community has worked very hard to find solutions to the neighbors
Concerns,

2355
04:59:25,370 --> 04:59:25,370
and the dallas city planning commission approved the changes unanimously.

2356
04:59:33,290 --> 04:59:33,290
heb is a great company and you all know that,
And the city of dallas should be honored to partner with them.

2357
04:59:40,330 --> 04:59:40,330
that's your time. Thank you chris aldridge. Chris aldridge

2358
04:59:50,250 --> 04:59:50,250
is not present. Perle, george. Good afternoon,
Mayor

2359
05:00:00,210 --> 05:00:03,370
and members of dallas city council. My name is perle george. I'm a 18 year resident at hill park drive, approximately one half mile from the site.

2360
05:00:08,730 --> 05:00:12,130
I'm also a member of the hillcrest preservation coalition. I am here today to urge you to reject the rezoning application for the ten acre parcel at
The southeast corner of hillcrest road and lbj,

2361
05:00:21,770 --> 05:00:21,770
from neighborhood office to regional retail. The city plan commission may have recommended
100% approval,

2362
05:00:29,970 --> 05:00:29,970
but they blatantly ignored the fundamental facts presented by residents prioritizing
Corporate desire over responsible urban

2363
05:00:39,930 --> 05:00:39,930
planning. Today, the council has the opportunity to stand with the taxpayers over
Developers.

2364
05:00:47,100 --> 05:00:47,100
we are told by the dallas morning news editorial board that we are nimbys.

2365
05:00:51,140 --> 05:00:51,140
but this is this offensive, bullying statement is far from the truth.

2366
05:00:56,980 --> 05:01:00,740
we know our neighborhood. We love our neighborhood. The proposed site is not just off the interstate.

2367
05:01:04,740 --> 05:01:04,740
this is the 13th most, most congested highway segment in the state of texas.

2368
05:01:10,860 --> 05:01:10,860
a key distinction ignored by staff. Furthermore,
The site sits below the highway in a floodplain and next to a residential homes and

2369
05:01:20,700 --> 05:01:20,700
condos. There have been 90 crashes involving more than 300 people at that intersection in
The past five

2370
05:01:30,620 --> 05:01:30,620
years. The parcel is simply not large enough for this proposed 127,000 square foot mega
Store and its three

2371
05:01:40,190 --> 05:01:40,190
story parking garage. It is half the size normally required.

2372
05:01:44,910 --> 05:01:44,910
the site is landlocked on two sides with extremely limited ingress egress.

2373
05:01:50,910 --> 05:01:50,910
we are gravely. Hear me gravely concerned about the traffic.

2374
05:01:55,630 --> 05:01:55,630
the applicant, h-e-b, has not provided a legitimate formal traffic study.

2375
05:02:02,150 --> 05:02:02,150
instead, they provide coy numbers 45,000 customers per week,
Which translates to an estimated 13,000 additional vehicle trips

2376
05:02:12,150 --> 05:02:12,150
per day. 13,000 already said how many accidents we've had a traffic engineering analysis
Of the site,

2377
05:02:21,190 --> 05:02:21,190
which most of you all have seen project more than 500 cars per hour will pour onto
Hillcrest plaza drive between 4 and 7

2378
05:02:30,950 --> 05:02:30,950
p.m.. While the tenants are leaving, h-e-b customers are trying to come and go.

2379
05:02:36,670 --> 05:02:36,670
you have a real problem there, city shack. I'm going to skip that part.

2380
05:02:41,680 --> 05:02:41,680
I'm just going to conclude by saying we advocate and you'll thank me for that.

2381
05:02:46,600 --> 05:02:46,600
we advocate for responsible land use that preserve our neighborhood integrity and
Residents property values,

2382
05:02:53,680 --> 05:02:53,680
and ensure a sustainable and future. Most importantly,
Make these people do their due diligence before they come and ask for zoning.

2383
05:03:03,160 --> 05:03:03,160
thank you very much. Thank you, don christensen.

2384
05:03:08,520 --> 05:03:08,520
thank you. Good afternoon. Don christensen I live at 6545

2385
05:03:18,240 --> 05:03:18,240
longfellow drive in district 11. My family's been in that area for 60 years.

2386
05:03:23,960 --> 05:03:23,960
I know development in that area quite well from watching it and living it.

2387
05:03:29,360 --> 05:03:32,280
I have some handouts that you should have received. Hopefully the secretary distributed them to you all.

2388
05:03:35,440 --> 05:03:35,440
I want to quickly go through those, because I think that gives you an illustration of why
Myself and about a dozen of my neighbors that couldn't be here today because they have to

2389
05:03:44,000 --> 05:03:44,000
go to work. So they're not going to be in this audience with all the heavy lawyers and
Staff employees that I've noted today from my prior meetings with them.

2390
05:03:52,160 --> 05:03:56,120
so please take note. There's more people that are against this than what you will see
Here. Standing in item number one, you'll see on that I've circled an intersection.

2391
05:04:03,320 --> 05:04:07,000
the reason I circle that is it's not a normal frontage road. You don't just go and there's three lanes going to the highway,
All that.

2392
05:04:10,160 --> 05:04:10,160
there's three distinct routes. And those three distinct routes you start to see in this
Item.

2393
05:04:15,040 --> 05:04:15,040
two that I sent, this is my this is my work. My neighbor,
Who is a drone guy, flew his drones up there and took these pictures for us because he's

2394
05:04:24,560 --> 05:04:24,560
so adamant about how you have to understand our area to really approve or deny any of
This.

2395
05:04:32,360 --> 05:04:32,360
if you look at item two, the frontage road, you have a forest,
Go on to lbj or you can go to kuwait road,

2396
05:04:39,890 --> 05:04:39,890
which is a whole nother ramp. Or you can go to park central,
Which by the way, on sunday mornings when the watermark church is there,

2397
05:04:47,050 --> 05:04:47,050
it is backed up from the stop sign at the bottom all the way to hillcrest road with people
Trying to go to church.

2398
05:04:52,890 --> 05:04:52,890
about the time that heb people also say it will be a really great time to go shopping.

2399
05:04:58,090 --> 05:05:01,330
it will be backed up more than it already is. The. In the third run, you see my illustration of how they've proposed a truck route.

2400
05:05:06,810 --> 05:05:06,810
the truck route you basically are going to take come off the frontage road because there's
No direct exit to this store,

2401
05:05:13,130 --> 05:05:13,130
by the way, you either have to exit off preston on lbj,
Or you exit over in the high five and try to come down coit or try to come down.

2402
05:05:22,290 --> 05:05:22,290
I think I don't remember the name of the street,
But it's kind of like park central. There's one lane from coit road that comes down to

2403
05:05:28,690 --> 05:05:28,690
hillcrest, just like there's one lane that goes up that road.

2404
05:05:32,820 --> 05:05:32,820
if you want to work with the texas people, texas highway people to rebuild all that
Intersection,

2405
05:05:37,500 --> 05:05:37,500
that's going to cost a lot of money. I ask that you please,
You know, I'm an heb customer.

2406
05:05:44,380 --> 05:05:48,140
I'm not against them. Like one of the speakers referenced. I want heb in the area, but what I really want is thoughtful development.

2407
05:05:52,620 --> 05:05:55,500
I want someone to understand this is not a good site. It's not a good fit for that size store. Maybe something smaller,
But they won't work with us.

2408
05:06:01,300 --> 05:06:01,300
they don't return any of the information requests that you send them.

2409
05:06:05,380 --> 05:06:05,380
they don't answer questions. They have pr people that come and talk to everybody else,
But they don't talk to us.

2410
05:06:12,740 --> 05:06:12,740
that's why I'm concerned. And I ask that you push it back to the planning people.

2411
05:06:17,500 --> 05:06:17,500
thank you. Thank you. Mary smith.

2412
05:06:30,260 --> 05:06:30,260
good afternoon, council and mr. Mayor. My name is mary ellen smith and I live on
Hillcrest,

2413
05:06:36,260 --> 05:06:36,260
just north of the proposed zoning area. You all received the presentation of the traffic
Study done by one of the building owners.

2414
05:06:44,180 --> 05:06:44,180
in this study, it shows how heb. Would considerably add 500 cars per hour to this area.

2415
05:06:53,860 --> 05:06:53,860
this would add ten minutes back up to this area which would continue to filter down
Hillcrest,

2416
05:06:58,660 --> 05:06:58,660
adding even more delays. What this will do to hillcrest is horrendous.

2417
05:07:03,940 --> 05:07:03,940
hillcrest is a residential street with a 35 mile an hour speed limit,
And cannot handle this amount of traffic.

2418
05:07:12,500 --> 05:07:12,500
the proposed site appears insufficiently sized for a large store,
Particularly given its limited access points.

2419
05:07:19,980 --> 05:07:19,980
in contrast, other heb locations have multiple lanes providing ingress and egress from all
Sides.

2420
05:07:27,110 --> 05:07:27,110
while this location has only one main entry and exit.

2421
05:07:32,470 --> 05:07:32,470
additionally, flooding is an ongoing challenge that has yet to be adequately adequately
Addressed.

2422
05:07:38,550 --> 05:07:38,550
earlier this year, a person tragically lost his life as a result of runoff originating
From areas of north of dallas,

2423
05:07:46,710 --> 05:07:46,710
exacerbating by increasing impervious surfaces.

2424
05:07:51,110 --> 05:07:51,110
every acre of concrete north of this north of us worsens the problem,
And rezoning to regional retail would allow wall to wall pavement pushing even more water

2425
05:08:00,350 --> 05:08:00,350
downstream. And when the gates at 635 close,
Hopefully as they have ten times this year, traffic will funnel straight down hillcrest

2426
05:08:10,430 --> 05:08:10,430
into our neighborhoods. Too many of these issues have not been addressed.

2427
05:08:16,790 --> 05:08:16,790
heb has not been transparent with regard to traffic,
The actual plans for the store.

2428
05:08:21,710 --> 05:08:25,640
and so therefore I ask you to deny this zoning request. Thank you. Thank you. Daniel roby. Good afternoon,
Council

2429
05:08:35,600 --> 05:08:39,480
members. Mayor, thank you for your time. First off,
I apologize for my attire. I did not know about the christmas sweater motif.

2430
05:08:41,840 --> 05:08:41,840
so I want to start with saying heb. Invest in their community.

2431
05:08:46,240 --> 05:08:49,680
some organizations, they provide affordable housing. Other organizations really like to invest in homeless services and some support a local
Food banks.

2432
05:08:54,680 --> 05:08:58,560
heb does all those things and they do it beyond their four walls. You know, they a feast of sharing if you don't know about it.

2433
05:09:01,280 --> 05:09:01,280
it's an amazing program they have. But I don't think we want to kick out the organizations
That are trying to make dallas better.

2434
05:09:07,680 --> 05:09:07,680
we need more organizations like that to to partner with our government and make sure that
We are providing the services.

2435
05:09:13,720 --> 05:09:13,720
dallas needs over 500 jobs. Let me tell you,
I know that those jobs are desperately needed,

2436
05:09:20,440 --> 05:09:20,440
and I am tired of trying to find dallas citizens employment in our neighbor cities because
We don't have enough employment for them here locally.

2437
05:09:28,760 --> 05:09:28,760
we are there's just great opportunity here, and they're making great accommodations,
And I appreciate it as a baylor alumni.

2438
05:09:36,360 --> 05:09:36,360
I love heb as an advocate, I think dallas needs more organizations like heb and as a
Citizen,

2439
05:09:43,960 --> 05:09:43,960
I cannot wait to start shopping there. You know,
Last night, me and my four kids went and we sing christmas carols less than half a mile

2440
05:09:53,280 --> 05:09:55,800
from the proposed site that we're discussing. And it really would have been nice to stop by heb beforehand and have some of the best
Barbecue in texas.

2441
05:10:02,000 --> 05:10:05,320
if you don't believe me, I offer you a taste test. Heb. Invest in us. It's time for us to invest in them.

2442
05:10:09,560 --> 05:10:09,560
and they they don't just give, they show up. Their owners physically come down,
They serve meals to those who are experiencing homelessness.

2443
05:10:16,960 --> 05:10:20,930
and I've been a part of watching them do that with care and compassion. Not for fanfare or attention, but just because they believe in it.

2444
05:10:24,930 --> 05:10:28,490
so let's believe in them. Thank you, thank you. Lucianne abbondanza.

2445
05:10:40,290 --> 05:10:40,290
I am lucianne abbondanza and I live at 12680 hillcrest road,
And I am at the williamsburg condominiums.

2446
05:10:51,610 --> 05:10:51,610
I can't say anything more or different than what everybody else has said here today,
But I can talk to you about

2447
05:11:01,410 --> 05:11:01,410
my feelings about the change in the rezoning,
The

2448
05:11:10,970 --> 05:11:10,970
rezoning of hillcrest and lbj. It is fine the way it is.

2449
05:11:15,850 --> 05:11:19,660
they say if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Okay. I know many of you have probably already made your decision regarding this rezoning.

2450
05:11:24,940 --> 05:11:24,940
I just ask you to think about it again. Look at me.

2451
05:11:29,300 --> 05:11:32,820
I'm old enough to be for the majority of you,
My. Your mother. Okay. And I chose. I chose williamsburg because I feel safe.

2452
05:11:40,100 --> 05:11:40,100
I can walk the property and feel comfortable there,
And I don't feel like I'm in danger.

2453
05:11:45,780 --> 05:11:45,780
changing this rezoning, bringing in a big box company changes the footprint of that area.

2454
05:11:53,300 --> 05:11:53,300
unfortunately, I'm not going to want to walk it anymore because of the cars coming through
There going.

2455
05:11:59,500 --> 05:11:59,500
it's an easy area where you can mistake those side streets for a through street to get to
The store.

2456
05:12:06,540 --> 05:12:06,540
I am not opposed to heb, with a lot of people here think it has nothing to do with heb.

2457
05:12:13,180 --> 05:12:13,180
it has to do with the big box companies that would come in if the zoning were changed.

2458
05:12:19,750 --> 05:12:19,750
so my wish or my ask of you is to please not change the zoning in that area.

2459
05:12:28,790 --> 05:12:28,790
it changes the entire and not so much the personality but the footprint of that area.

2460
05:12:35,390 --> 05:12:35,390
it is fine. Thank you. Thank you. Diane glaser.

2461
05:12:57,710 --> 05:12:57,710
hello. My name is diane glaser, and I live at williamsburg 12680 hillcrest.

2462
05:13:05,230 --> 05:13:05,230
I've lived there for ten years, and I'm here today to express my deep concern regarding
The proposed rezoning at hillcrest and lbj.

2463
05:13:14,470 --> 05:13:14,470
and to encourage you to vote no. While I absolutely appreciate the value that new
Businesses bring to dallas,

2464
05:13:21,590 --> 05:13:21,590
this site is unsuitable for big box regional retail.

2465
05:13:26,870 --> 05:13:26,870
after teaching school for 50 years, 38 of them recently at the hockaday school,
I can honestly say I know dallas.

2466
05:13:36,870 --> 05:13:36,870
I know the neighborhoods. So when it was time to buy a home,
I chose williamsburg because it offered a gated,

2467
05:13:44,590 --> 05:13:44,590
safe community. If you vote to rezone, williamsburg will get both a large box store and a
Three story

2468
05:13:54,430 --> 05:13:54,430
garage as neighbors, and it will no longer be the safe,
Quiet community I purchased years ago.

2469
05:14:02,590 --> 05:14:02,590
the and some of this you might have heard, but the intersection of hillcrest and lbj is
Already one of the busiest in north dallas.

2470
05:14:10,590 --> 05:14:10,590
accidents occur here on a weekly basis. And the area is part of dallas high injury
Network,

2471
05:14:16,840 --> 05:14:16,840
which identifies streets with disproportionately high numbers of severe crashes,
Adding 127,000 square foot regional

2472
05:14:26,840 --> 05:14:26,840
grocery store on only ten acres would dramatically increase traffic problems.

2473
05:14:32,520 --> 05:14:32,520
pardon me? Including heavy truck deliveries far beyond what the surrounding streets can
Safely handle.

2474
05:14:39,520 --> 05:14:39,520
there are at least six hoa's in the immediate area with hundreds of homeowners.

2475
05:14:45,720 --> 05:14:45,720
if you vote yes to rezone, you can imagine the traffic will cripple the streets.

2476
05:14:52,040 --> 05:14:55,120
and to avoid. This is what's very frightening to me. To avoid traffic. Drivers will seek alternative routes.

2477
05:14:59,000 --> 05:15:02,720
they'll go up and down on neighborhood streets. Our coalition has done hours and hours of research and,
In a good faith error effort, made many suggestions to heb,

2478
05:15:12,370 --> 05:15:12,370
but to no avail. We offered dozens of reasons that that area is unsuitable.

2479
05:15:17,970 --> 05:15:17,970
traffic. Noise. Safety. Huge trucks. Although heb respectively listens and makes promises
To accommodate,

2480
05:15:26,090 --> 05:15:26,090
they refuse to commit in writing. So I am depending on you,
Our city government, to protect me,

2481
05:15:32,730 --> 05:15:32,730
to protect all of us at williamsburg and the six other hoa's in my neighborhood.

2482
05:15:37,650 --> 05:15:37,650
your decision to rezone is a critical one and will set a precedent for years to come.

2483
05:15:43,290 --> 05:15:43,290
I respectfully urge the council to deny this rezoning because dallas deserves growth that
Enhances neighborhoods,

2484
05:15:50,890 --> 05:15:54,410
not developments that compromise safety and livability. Thank you. Thank you. Joan nigh. Thank you.

2485
05:16:10,410 --> 05:16:10,410
good afternoon. Hi. It's me again. I hope this is my last time down here.

2486
05:16:15,650 --> 05:16:15,650
I serve on the board of hillcrest villa association,
And I am here representing 100 homeowners,

2487
05:16:20,730 --> 05:16:24,730
100 homes. They're not at work. Actually, many of them are retirees. Most people have a spouse or are not well enough.

2488
05:16:26,730 --> 05:16:29,730
they don't even know how to get downtown. But I'm here today. I'm also a member of the coalition. I'd like to say that I bought things this just a
Couple of weeks ago from heb.

2489
05:16:35,330 --> 05:16:35,330
so for me, it is not an heb issue. I wouldn't even mind heb being in the site.

2490
05:16:41,770 --> 05:16:41,770
it is more of an issue of you hear people I've asked around like,
What do you think about it?

2491
05:16:46,690 --> 05:16:46,690
and they're like, hey, I love the store. It'll be crowded. I'll go out the other end of my
Neighborhood. We don't. Everybody on our street does not have that option. We have three

2492
05:16:54,290 --> 05:16:54,290
high end neighborhoods behind all of mine that actually they can't get in and out of their
Neighborhood,

2493
05:16:58,690 --> 05:16:58,690
but to go through mine. So I won't be the only one waiting to get out on hillcrest.

2494
05:17:04,170 --> 05:17:07,740
the location has severely limited access. It's also. Hillcrest plaza is a private road. Although it is access of lbj.

2495
05:17:14,580 --> 05:17:14,580
it's not really on lbj. That's the other thing that they're just about behind it.

2496
05:17:19,980 --> 05:17:19,980
and I think that just brings kind of another whole issue to site from the beginning.

2497
05:17:24,580 --> 05:17:24,580
this zoning request to me has seemed odd. I was talking to someone.

2498
05:17:28,900 --> 05:17:28,900
I said, square peg in a round hole. I want you to know I can still wear clothes I wore in
College.

2499
05:17:34,100 --> 05:17:34,100
they just don't quite look the same anymore,
So I don't I think many of the issues seem slanted in favor of the owner.

2500
05:17:42,740 --> 05:17:45,620
I don't want to say heb, so I'm saying the owner is. We've all organized. We aren't professional organizers.

2501
05:17:48,340 --> 05:17:48,340
we spent a lot of time and money. Some of the surprises have been hidden.

2502
05:17:53,060 --> 05:17:53,060
I'm waiting for someone to pop out of the back,
You know, at the end of our old deal here today.

2503
05:17:57,660 --> 05:18:01,060
and it just it just seems very kind of late in the game. You know, studies are rehearsed at midnight. We're showing up the next day I want to ask
Everybody why not?

2504
05:18:08,310 --> 05:18:08,310
or why this is a class a company. They have a premium product and they have premium
Buyers.

2505
05:18:14,830 --> 05:18:18,110
when I left that store, I won't tell you what the bill is. I've made donations to charities that are less than what I walked out of there with.

2506
05:18:22,110 --> 05:18:22,110
what I do find surprising, that is an a company that's worth $5 billion chooses to
Employees that are a and they're looking for customers that are a-types.

2507
05:18:31,230 --> 05:18:31,230
they want to develop on a c type property. And I think why not ask them before they make
This huge change to regional retail,

2508
05:18:38,350 --> 05:18:38,350
which will have a precedent. Why not go back to cpc and ask for some adjustments?

2509
05:18:43,550 --> 05:18:43,550
take a hard look at it. Is there any accommodations we could make on,
You know, some of the other things?

2510
05:18:48,630 --> 05:18:48,630
please don't rubber stamp this quickly. It will have a precedent on our community at
Large.

2511
05:18:54,390 --> 05:18:58,150
I thank you today. And please think about regional retail. Thank you. Cathy kaufman.

2512
05:19:11,790 --> 05:19:11,790
good afternoon, mayor johnson and members of the dallas city council.

2513
05:19:17,310 --> 05:19:17,310
my name is kathy kaufman, and I live in district 11 at 10805 lark glen circle.

2514
05:19:23,430 --> 05:19:23,430
I stand before you today not to just as an affected resident,
But as one who has called dallas home for more than 50 years.

2515
05:19:31,590 --> 05:19:31,590
I've raised my children and now my grandchildren here,
And I have decades of experience observing city government and engaging in the civic

2516
05:19:39,430 --> 05:19:39,430
process. I can honestly say that I am deeply disappointed by how this particular case has
Been handled.

2517
05:19:47,710 --> 05:19:47,710
a neighborhood from the corner of northwest highway,
Four mile straight up north on hillcrest and at lbj,

2518
05:19:55,990 --> 05:19:59,110
and a neighborhood with no other retail zoning. And now you want to change it to the most dense retail zoning in on our zoning books.

2519
05:20:06,720 --> 05:20:06,720
there are huge problems with this picture, but it looks to me like it's a store for
Highland park at the expense of the dallas traffic and the dallas taxpayers.

2520
05:20:16,280 --> 05:20:16,280
the most fundamental responsibility of local government is to protect its people,
To ensure safety,

2521
05:20:22,800 --> 05:20:22,800
stability and quality of life. When the city stops protecting its taxpayers and starts
Favoring big corporations without the usual vetting,

2522
05:20:31,560 --> 05:20:31,560
it's a problem. We are told by city staff that the plan is fine,
Despite obvious inconsistencies with the new forward dallas 2.0 plan.

2523
05:20:41,280 --> 05:20:44,560
we are told by the cpc to ignore the traffic. We are labeled nimbys by the media. But you know what happens when residents sour on the
City because they feel undervalued?

2524
05:20:52,800 --> 05:20:52,800
they move away to areas that do value them. So between now and the opening of the heb
Store,

2525
05:20:59,570 --> 05:20:59,570
we will have experienced on a daily basis the blunder of this corner and it's going to be
Huge and you're going to notice it and we will vote accordingly for the next mayor

2526
05:21:09,650 --> 05:21:09,650
and city council members of dallas. This traffic nightmare is a nightmare,
And if you've not looked at the traffic study,

2527
05:21:16,570 --> 05:21:16,570
you're selling us short. The traffic nightmare is going to continue,
And we're going to have to live with it and we're not going to forget it.

2528
05:21:25,010 --> 05:21:27,810
so let's look at who else you are failing to protect. Today, the more than 300 small businesses currently operating in the adjacent buildings.

2529
05:21:33,690 --> 05:21:33,690
I know many of you have seen the private traffic analysis commissioned by the owner,
And the data is alarming.

2530
05:21:39,930 --> 05:21:39,930
this will overwhelm the area, driving away clients,
Patients and employees in their small businesses.

2531
05:21:46,570 --> 05:21:49,770
why are these smaller, local businesses so underappreciated? You'll have to ask answer that with them. But we urge you to reconsider the path you are
On and uphold your duty to protect all taxpayers and local businesses.

2532
05:21:59,620 --> 05:22:02,980
and please vote no on this zoning request. Thank you. Thank you. Frank michalopoulos. Good

2533
05:22:12,900 --> 05:22:12,900
afternoon, mayor and city council member. Sorry,
I just had knee replacement three weeks ago,

2534
05:22:18,100 --> 05:22:21,580
but I felt this was an important case to come and speak. Small world. You all see me here more than I want to be.

2535
05:22:24,220 --> 05:22:24,220
but in 1984, my offices used to be at the corner of hillcrest and lbj,
Hillcrest plaza drive.

2536
05:22:31,060 --> 05:22:31,060
in 1992, we moved the holy trinity greek orthodox church to the corner in hillcrest and
Alpha.

2537
05:22:37,300 --> 05:22:37,300
today, you should have received a letter from our priest,
Father mark page and our president,

2538
05:22:41,780 --> 05:22:41,780
billy kurent, in support of this case for the holy trinity greek orthodox church.

2539
05:22:45,900 --> 05:22:49,500
and they've allowed me to come here to speak on their behalf. I've been in this neighborhood for for decades.

2540
05:22:52,380 --> 05:22:52,380
I've seen the transformation. I used to it used to be a class a office corner.

2541
05:22:57,340 --> 05:22:57,340
it's no longer that class a office corner. It has been struggling as the rest of the
Office market.

2542
05:23:03,060 --> 05:23:05,980
this is an opportunity to enhance the intersection. But before, let's go back to history in 1984.

2543
05:23:09,660 --> 05:23:09,660
in 1992. Since then, lbj freeway has been multi-billion dollar expansion with new lanes,
New exit ramps,

2544
05:23:19,180 --> 05:23:19,180
new off ramps, new texas u-turns, the same thing with central expressway.

2545
05:23:24,420 --> 05:23:24,420
a real testament to the improvements of central expressway is the costco store at kuwait
And churchill hill.

2546
05:23:30,380 --> 05:23:30,380
who would have thought that would have been a successful retail location that is so
Successful?

2547
05:23:34,660 --> 05:23:34,660
it's one of their top in the country. And yet I drive on kuwait road to go to church every
Every sunday and twice a week and there's no traffic.

2548
05:23:43,780 --> 05:23:43,780
I remember the backup of hillcrest when it was two lanes,
Not a six lane divided road as it is today to handle the traffic.

2549
05:23:52,260 --> 05:23:52,260
so from somebody who's been in the neighborhood,
Who's lived there, whose family lives in the neighborhood,

2550
05:23:58,390 --> 05:23:58,390
very supportive of what he is doing. More important,
Heb is our local texas owned company.

2551
05:24:06,470 --> 05:24:06,470
in the ten minute drive from this location, I have counted six at least six closed grocery
Stores.

2552
05:24:13,510 --> 05:24:13,510
two two thumb sums a safeway. If you remember a kroger.

2553
05:24:17,670 --> 05:24:21,150
they all used to feed this neighborhood I used to be part of at hillcrest. Campbell. There was a tom thumb before that. It was a safeway.

2554
05:24:23,990 --> 05:24:23,990
albertsons at hillcrest and arapahoe gone at tom thumb at northwest highway gone.

2555
05:24:28,990 --> 05:24:28,990
kroger at lbj and montford gone. That neighborhood is a big void.

2556
05:24:33,350 --> 05:24:36,310
there's a big need to fulfill in that community. Those neighbors will be shopping there. Their grandparents will be shopping there,
Their parents and those grandkids.

2557
05:24:42,030 --> 05:24:42,030
I've seen it over and over again. H-e-b is the right answer for this corner.

2558
05:24:46,790 --> 05:24:46,790
besides having a company that cares, they will do the right thing.

2559
05:24:51,560 --> 05:24:54,320
they will build the right infrastructure if the. Working with the homeowners in the area because they're h-e-b,
They stand for it.

2560
05:24:59,480 --> 05:25:02,480
I'm chairman of us. State senator daniel roby spoke earlier. We need a transportation vehicle. They stepped up and gave us one.

2561
05:25:06,080 --> 05:25:10,000
I'm just saying the number one company in texas wants to be in dallas. Let's not say no to them. Dallas needs h-e-b and they will do more stores in this market.

2562
05:25:14,400 --> 05:25:14,400
that's your time. Thank you. I will now call the remaining registered speakers.

2563
05:25:20,000 --> 05:25:20,000
when I call your name, please come forward and have a seat in the first few rows of the
Center section.

2564
05:25:25,760 --> 05:25:25,760
andrew nash, andrew nash if you're present, you may come to the podium.

2565
05:25:31,640 --> 05:25:31,640
brant reeves, juan reeves, dan newell, christy lamberth,
Rami khalifa, beverly heflin,

2566
05:25:41,400 --> 05:25:41,400
mary keegan, richard butler, chris bowers, chris simmons and jack cox,
Andrew nash,

2567
05:25:51,360 --> 05:25:51,360
you may begin. Good evening, senator, city manager,
Mayor, city council.

2568
05:25:59,880 --> 05:25:59,880
and I'm here in support. I'm andrew nash, ceo with the dallas fort worth business council,

2569
05:26:05,880 --> 05:26:05,880
8585 north stemmons freeway. We do certification for suppliers.

2570
05:26:11,040 --> 05:26:11,040
again, I'm here in support of heb. Coming into the area,
Heb has done a lot even before then.

2571
05:26:18,400 --> 05:26:18,400
two years ago, they came to the council and asked us to host their doing their opportunity
For

2572
05:26:28,320 --> 05:26:28,320
quest for texas. Best to bring in suppliers to put on their shelves.

2573
05:26:32,840 --> 05:26:32,840
not kroger, not tom thumb, not walmart, but heb came in.

2574
05:26:38,000 --> 05:26:38,000
they are a good neighbor here. They really care about small businesses,
As you're going to see that heb supports small businesses that

2575
05:26:47,930 --> 05:26:47,930
are in the area. H-e-b gives back to the community before they opened up any store.

2576
05:26:53,810 --> 05:26:53,810
the first thing that they did was give they gave out checks to community foundations as
Well as school districts.

2577
05:27:00,970 --> 05:27:00,970
so they're not coming in just to take. They're coming in to give.

2578
05:27:08,610 --> 05:27:08,610
and then h-e-b has opportunities for our small businesses and businesses just to get their
Products on the shelf.

2579
05:27:15,730 --> 05:27:15,730
with the quest for texas best contest. When you try to go through other big boxes,
There's this big,

2580
05:27:21,090 --> 05:27:21,090
long. No one talks to you. You don't know who to call,
But h-e-b has been there.

2581
05:27:26,450 --> 05:27:26,450
all that to say is that h-e-b is good for our community,
And we want you to support this zoning change because again,

2582
05:27:34,370 --> 05:27:38,090
they're coming in giving first and then supporting the community. Thank you. Thank you. Brant reeves and sorry if I mispronounced it one at a time.

2583
05:27:45,700 --> 05:27:45,700
you're one. Okay. Okay. Yes. Hi. My name is brant reeves.

2584
05:27:51,140 --> 05:27:51,140
our dad started our company in 1976. We're second generation restaurant owners.

2585
05:27:57,100 --> 05:27:57,100
we have been. We've had the our dad really wanted his brand to grow,
And he wanted to see it all over the city,

2586
05:28:05,140 --> 05:28:05,140
all over the world, all over the state. And he gave us that opportunity.

2587
05:28:10,500 --> 05:28:10,500
we produced banana pudding barbecue sauce, barbecue rub for hiv.

2588
05:28:17,340 --> 05:28:17,340
and this partnership has been absolutely tremendous.

2589
05:28:22,180 --> 05:28:22,180
the cool thing about h-e-b is, is that they pour into the community.

2590
05:28:28,220 --> 05:28:28,220
and that community includes us. So it's very interesting because because this zoning may
Be

2591
05:28:38,100 --> 05:28:38,100
something that's going to that may inconvenience some people.

2592
05:28:42,180 --> 05:28:42,180
but the interesting thing is, the products that we make and the products that we produce
Are produced by single mothers that have a

2593
05:28:51,980 --> 05:28:51,980
job now that are produced by seniors that don't have an opportunity,
But yet they work with us and they make banana pudding and they take care

2594
05:29:01,940 --> 05:29:01,940
of their families. Heb has created so many opportunities that not only change our lives,
But our team

2595
05:29:11,740 --> 05:29:11,740
member's lives as well, because now they can they can take care of their family,
Put a roof over their head.

2596
05:29:17,500 --> 05:29:17,500
we've seen heb reach out into the community and pour into so many different areas.

2597
05:29:24,660 --> 05:29:24,660
they don't just come in and start selling goods.

2598
05:29:30,660 --> 05:29:30,660
heb comes in and makes an impact on the lives in the community.

2599
05:29:35,420 --> 05:29:35,420
they're going to be hundreds of jobs that come in because of heb.

2600
05:29:41,150 --> 05:29:41,150
so there are people whose lives are totally this.

2601
05:29:45,510 --> 05:29:45,510
this for them is not just this is an answered prayer for some people.

2602
05:29:52,590 --> 05:29:52,590
some people are waiting on these opportunities,
And heb is opening their door and open their their door,

2603
05:29:59,310 --> 05:29:59,310
not only to this community, but to this whole city and to this whole state.

2604
05:30:04,310 --> 05:30:04,310
and so for that reason, we totally support heb and just ask for you to approve this zoning
Change.

2605
05:30:12,710 --> 05:30:12,710
thank you, juan reeves. As my brother just mentioned first of all,
Thank you for having us.

2606
05:30:21,430 --> 05:30:21,430
and I appreciate the opportunity. As my brother mentioned,
Our dad was our founder, and we're second generation business owners.

2607
05:30:28,470 --> 05:30:28,470
dallas. Dallas sites for our whole lives. And it's really important for us to share that
My brother mentioned the people that we employ that work with us,

2608
05:30:38,270 --> 05:30:38,270
our team members. But we've also had an opportunity as a company to start as a second
Generation minority,

2609
05:30:44,960 --> 05:30:44,960
minority owned business to grow. And we have values and we have standards that we operate
On.

2610
05:30:50,960 --> 05:30:50,960
and when we started researching about heb, before we got involved with them through the
Texas quest for texas best,

2611
05:30:58,000 --> 05:30:58,000
we realized that they had very similar values,
Very similar core values, very similar mission statement to what we have.

2612
05:31:04,160 --> 05:31:04,160
and it was really interesting to see this large,
Successful company that still has these really core values that relate to some

2613
05:31:13,920 --> 05:31:13,920
small people like us, and it's truly an inspiration to have worked with them the last 2 or
3 years and watch the way they've moved into this metroplex methodically

2614
05:31:24,680 --> 05:31:24,680
carefully and thoughtfully. And so for us when we hear there's an opportunity to actually
Have an heb in dallas,

2615
05:31:32,600 --> 05:31:36,240
like one of the other gentlemen mentioned, that should be something we celebrate. And having watched them as corporate partners,
Not just come in and be a part, be in, you know,

2616
05:31:42,850 --> 05:31:45,570
in the community, they become a part of the community. We can say that honestly from our own experience,
But we can say it from what we've observed.

2617
05:31:49,690 --> 05:31:49,690
we've been to several grand openings for the jovi smart shops,
For the new, for the new heb and before even on the groundbreaking,

2618
05:31:59,530 --> 05:31:59,530
they're giving money away to the community they're sewing,
And that means they've done their homework to know what organizations are doing something

2619
05:32:05,890 --> 05:32:05,890
in the community and they support that. So for us,
It seems like a wonderful opportunity.

2620
05:32:10,370 --> 05:32:10,370
we've seen it all around the metroplex. We've seen it in all of the other burbs,
And now we have an opportunity to experience that same relationship partnership in the

2621
05:32:19,810 --> 05:32:19,810
city of dallas. We hope that you would vote for that,
Supporting not only heb, but the community.

2622
05:32:25,530 --> 05:32:25,530
and with all due respect to the people that will be inconvenienced,
We thank you in advance.

2623
05:32:30,570 --> 05:32:34,090
as this goes through, we thank you for the things that you will have to put up with. But we know that in the long term this will be an investment not only for as a business,
But for our community as a whole.

2624
05:32:41,610 --> 05:32:41,610
thank you. Thank you. Dan newell. Good afternoon.

2625
05:32:48,570 --> 05:32:48,570
my name is dan newell, and I'm speaking on behalf of beverly heflin,
Who is the owner of a building.

2626
05:32:53,370 --> 05:32:53,370
the building located at 12740 hillcrest drive.

2627
05:32:58,210 --> 05:32:58,210
and that's the end of the private drive. That heb joins us,
And we're known as track c and the traffic

2628
05:33:07,890 --> 05:33:07,890
discussion. I'm speaking in opposition to regional retail zoning for the hcb track.

2629
05:33:14,690 --> 05:33:14,690
we engage with engineering to conduct a review to understand the impact of the zoning
Change on our tenants and investment.

2630
05:33:22,370 --> 05:33:22,370
we learned that the traffic on our shared private road surpasses reasonable and acceptable
Traffic standards,

2631
05:33:29,210 --> 05:33:29,210
and christy lambert will speak more to that. I am here for our tenants,
Our service, the services they provide to the community,

2632
05:33:36,700 --> 05:33:36,700
and the impact of the 336,000ft² of office space on hillcrest plaza drive.

2633
05:33:45,260 --> 05:33:45,260
frank, in contrary to what you said the three office buildings are over 90% leased.

2634
05:33:50,020 --> 05:33:50,020
they're primarily medical tenants. 90% is way above dallas average.

2635
05:33:56,860 --> 05:33:56,860
and they each are heavily medical. I want to tell you about our building tenants and the
Importance of today's decision.

2636
05:34:03,380 --> 05:34:03,380
if approved, you'll be forcing our medical tenants,
Our medical patients, to maneuver the traffic congestion with a high volume of hb,

2637
05:34:11,460 --> 05:34:11,460
h-e-b shoppers on our private road, many of the patients who are elderly,
Elderly, or with severe medical conditions will be impacted the most by

2638
05:34:21,380 --> 05:34:21,380
your decision. Today, I want to share the patient statements regarding the medical care at
Our building.

2639
05:34:27,740 --> 05:34:27,740
these are not enthusiastic h-e-b shoppers willing and capable of long,
Frustrating traffic queues,

2640
05:34:33,750 --> 05:34:33,750
dangerous ingress egress and unique u-turns. These are a sampling of some of our patients
Contacts or comments.

2641
05:34:42,030 --> 05:34:45,510
pardon me? Oral surgery I was suffering and in constant pain. The quality of my life was saved. The neuro ophthalmology.

2642
05:34:50,350 --> 05:34:50,350
my doctor care changed my life. Jaynie genecology the most amazing doctor.

2643
05:34:56,510 --> 05:34:59,790
my daughter still flies to dallas to see her rheumatology. Compassionate and personalized care. Psychiatry.

2644
05:35:03,430 --> 05:35:03,430
crucial intervention gave me back my life. If time allowed,
I would discuss the testimonies of our other counseling practices in the buildings.

2645
05:35:12,190 --> 05:35:12,190
we are important to this decision. We are important to the community,
And we are speaking with the 336,000ft² of high quality office properties.

2646
05:35:21,710 --> 05:35:21,710
with respect, we ask that the regional retail zoning for track d be denied.

2647
05:35:27,390 --> 05:35:27,390
we need and request the input that a planned development process would provide.

2648
05:35:32,470 --> 05:35:32,470
please do not destroy our neighboring office buildings with sweeping zoning overreach,
Which impacts the ability to access our buildings.

2649
05:35:39,990 --> 05:35:39,990
thank you and your thank. Your very gracious staff who have interfaced with and beverly
Will not be speaking today.

2650
05:35:48,230 --> 05:35:48,230
so thank you very much. Thank you. Christie lambert.

2651
05:36:02,630 --> 05:36:02,630
hi. Hi. My name is christie lambert. I'm with lambert engineering and beverly with the
Southeast office building.

2652
05:36:10,190 --> 05:36:10,190
she reached out to us and asked us to review the heb,
Tia and their site plan.

2653
05:36:16,030 --> 05:36:19,470
and so we looked at this from a traffic engineering standpoint. I had to tell her my mom retired from heb. So like many of us here,
I'm not opposed to heb.

2654
05:36:24,830 --> 05:36:27,480
just looking at this from a technical aspect. There are some concerns that we recommend to be addressed before approving straight zoning
Allowing this use at this site.

2655
05:36:34,440 --> 05:36:34,440
the trip generation, the hgb is assumptions underestimate the trip generation.

2656
05:36:40,480 --> 05:36:40,480
the traffic projected based on the heb tia was similar to a 40% discount superstore and
Only 60% supermarket.

2657
05:36:49,880 --> 05:36:49,880
when using the it supermarket criteria and traffic counts that we collected at the hgb
Allen location,

2658
05:36:56,240 --> 05:36:56,240
it confirms that the projections in the tia were underestimated.

2659
05:37:00,560 --> 05:37:00,560
for reference, a general supermarket will more than triple the traffic to and from the
Site compared to the existing office buildings that are there.

2660
05:37:09,760 --> 05:37:13,360
that's not even adding hgb counts or even higher than that. Amount of traffic is expected to be similar to like eight fast food restaurants accessing
Just that hillcrest plaza drive road.

2661
05:37:22,440 --> 05:37:22,440
this site generates approximately right on the commissioner councilman blair the school
Staff the site generates the same traffic is

2662
05:37:32,370 --> 05:37:32,370
approximately 4 to 5000 high school students during the pm peak hour,
With only having one main exit point.

2663
05:37:39,730 --> 05:37:39,730
so concerns with the trip generation in their analysis,
We think that should be updated.

2664
05:37:44,210 --> 05:37:44,210
also, northbound vehicles on hillcrest road often block hillcrest plaza,
Making it difficult for vehicles to leave even with the green light on hillcrest plaza.

2665
05:37:53,290 --> 05:37:53,290
patrons, visitors office staff cannot leave their building and have to wait several
Cycles.

2666
05:37:58,370 --> 05:37:58,370
all three northbound lanes on hillcrest road are backed up,
Not just the right lane.

2667
05:38:03,650 --> 05:38:03,650
there are two southeast buildings that only have access to hillcrest plaza with hgb.

2668
05:38:09,450 --> 05:38:09,450
the pm peak hour queue is shown to go past all the buildings first driveway into the
Second building's driveway.

2669
05:38:16,490 --> 05:38:16,490
removing the existing median, as recommended in their tia,
Would make it impossible for some of these office tenants to leave their site without

2670
05:38:23,690 --> 05:38:23,690
making, and they're not even able to make a u-turn with the recommendations that we've
Seen building the right turning vehicles leaving hillcrest plaza drive has

2671
05:38:33,610 --> 05:38:37,410
significant delays, calculated to 1.6 minute delay. We've observed six minute delay today without heb there.

2672
05:38:41,010 --> 05:38:44,210
the calculations are shown to be over ten minutes. Romney will talk more about park central lane flooding and that closes.

2673
05:38:47,930 --> 05:38:47,930
and when that exit is closed, all traffic will use hillcrest drive,
Hillcrest plaza drive.

2674
05:38:52,850 --> 05:38:52,850
and we just got notice from tex-dot that they thought that the only exit to the site was
Through hillcrest plaza drive.

2675
05:38:58,370 --> 05:39:02,210
so if you have any questions or need clarifications,
I'm happy to answer. Thank you remy or rami khalifa.

2676
05:39:12,290 --> 05:39:12,290
hello everyone, this is rami khalifa. I am with lambert engineering.

2677
05:39:17,370 --> 05:39:17,370
we are located at 6301 gaston avenue, dallas,
Texas 275214.

2678
05:39:25,460 --> 05:39:25,460
I am here to speak on behalf of building c on hillcrest plaza drive,
Which is the southeast building.

2679
05:39:35,460 --> 05:39:35,460
we did site visits over there at the intersection of hillcrest road at hillcrest plaza
Drive,

2680
05:39:44,420 --> 05:39:44,420
and we observed a traffic is backing up and blocking the intersection.

2681
05:39:54,540 --> 05:39:54,540
all three lanes on hillcrest road is blocking hillcrest plaza drive during the pm peak
Hour,

2682
05:40:00,700 --> 05:40:00,700
which is making it hard on people leaving hillcrest plaza drive,
Turning right and left even if they have the green light.

2683
05:40:13,020 --> 05:40:13,020
when park central. Regarding the park central drive.

2684
05:40:19,990 --> 05:40:19,990
heb is proposing one a driveway for exiting the site on lbj and for

2685
05:40:29,990 --> 05:40:29,990
vehicles exiting through lbj. They are. They have to use park central because the driveway
Is past the coast road

2686
05:40:39,910 --> 05:40:39,910
exit the lbj to coit road exit. So they have to exit through park central.

2687
05:40:44,510 --> 05:40:44,510
and when they when park central is closed due to flooding,
All heb traffic has to go through hillcrest plaza

2688
05:40:54,510 --> 05:40:54,510
drive. 100% of their traffic will use hillcrest plaza drive.

2689
05:40:59,310 --> 05:40:59,310
and we've seen park central drive is closed multiple times this year due to flooding
Because it's in flood

2690
05:41:09,390 --> 05:41:09,390
plain and it goes up north into until frisco,
I think.

2691
05:41:16,190 --> 05:41:16,190
and so it's not only dallas rain could cause the flood.

2692
05:41:20,360 --> 05:41:20,360
any rain from the north can cause this flood and make parque central closed.

2693
05:41:28,160 --> 05:41:28,160
and thank you. Thank you, beverly heflin. It's not present.

2694
05:41:36,480 --> 05:41:36,480
mary eagan. Thank you for the privilege to

2695
05:41:46,400 --> 05:41:46,400
speak today. My name is mary keegan, and I'm a managing director and partner of albany
Real estate partners.

2696
05:41:52,800 --> 05:41:52,800
we are the office owner of 12 720 hillcrest plaza drive.

2697
05:41:57,800 --> 05:41:57,800
we are in favor of opening a grocery store. However,
As we have discussed with hiv, we would like to continue to work together on the

2698
05:42:05,200 --> 05:42:05,200
preliminary proposed improvements to hillcrest and hillcrest plaza drive to ensure they
Are adequate to support the increased traffic that the immediate area will experience.

2699
05:42:14,760 --> 05:42:14,760
heb has expressed a willingness to work collaboratively with us to find a solution that
Preserves or enhances the value of all the surrounding properties.

2700
05:42:22,960 --> 05:42:22,960
we are excited to work in partnership with them through the tia and permitting process,
To alleviate all parties concerns and further strengthen the community.

2701
05:42:31,880 --> 05:42:31,880
h-e-b has been an asset to texas and our neighboring communities for a long time,
And we are thrilled to have them in dallas.

2702
05:42:38,720 --> 05:42:42,000
and I believe, like all of us, we want what is best for dallas. Thank you. Thank you. Richie butler. Good afternoon,
Richie butler,

2703
05:42:52,040 --> 05:42:52,040
1900 mckinney avenue. Glad to be with you. And thank you for this opportunity,
Mister mayor and city council,

2704
05:42:59,600 --> 05:42:59,600
to speak on behalf of the proposed zoning for heb.

2705
05:43:04,560 --> 05:43:04,560
and I just want to speak to a moment about what it means to be a good neighbor.

2706
05:43:09,560 --> 05:43:09,560
by definition, I believe a good neighbor may not be perfect.

2707
05:43:14,250 --> 05:43:14,250
a good neighbor knows that value is not in the transaction but in the relationship.

2708
05:43:21,290 --> 05:43:21,290
a good neighbor is a great listener. A good neighbor does not force its way upon its
Neighbors,

2709
05:43:29,850 --> 05:43:29,850
but works in collaboration to foster win win situations and solutions.

2710
05:43:35,450 --> 05:43:35,450
I believe a good neighbor gives as much as it gets.

2711
05:43:40,090 --> 05:43:40,090
a good neighbor steps up in times of need. A good neighbor knows that your word is your
Bond.

2712
05:43:48,730 --> 05:43:48,730
a good neighbor recognizes what unites us is greater than what divides us,
And the sign of a good neighbor.

2713
05:43:55,890 --> 05:43:55,890
on this day is if there are no longer in the community,
There is a whole, a void, a chasm that is created because of their absence.

2714
05:44:05,770 --> 05:44:05,770
a good neighbor simply makes a community better for all,
And by definition I believe heb has been and remains a good

2715
05:44:15,380 --> 05:44:15,380
neighbor. As someone who was born, bred and raised in austin,
Texas, to this day at 183 and springdale,

2716
05:44:23,460 --> 05:44:23,460
the heb is still there. I grew up going to that heb.

2717
05:44:27,780 --> 05:44:27,780
it's been refurbished and it has been an anchor in that community in east austin.

2718
05:44:32,860 --> 05:44:32,860
so I'm not telling you what I've heard. I'm not telling you what I've read about heb
Personally,

2719
05:44:38,380 --> 05:44:38,380
from my own personal experience, not just in austin,
But here in dallas, texas, as our congregation,

2720
05:44:43,580 --> 05:44:43,580
I'm the pastor of saint luke community united methodist church,
And we have been in partnership with heb.

2721
05:44:49,380 --> 05:44:49,380
and so I hope that you will consider this good neighbor who wants to be in partnership
With the city of dallas.

2722
05:44:57,740 --> 05:44:57,740
and simply put it this way, your your approval,
I think, helps to make dallas a better city.

2723
05:45:04,020 --> 05:45:04,020
thank you. Thank you. Chris bowers. Good afternoon,
Honorable mayor.

2724
05:45:14,020 --> 05:45:14,020
members of the city council. I'm chris bowers,
1316 village creek parkway, plano, and a proud resident of district 12 for 23 years.

2725
05:45:22,300 --> 05:45:22,300
I represent shelby management, which is managed by beverly heflin,
And they own the property to the southeast.

2726
05:45:29,180 --> 05:45:29,180
that is improved with the 60,000 square foot office building.

2727
05:45:33,620 --> 05:45:37,100
and I'm going to address six key issues in this case. The first key issue is the council should grant hcbs request because it is an amazing
Corporate citizen.

2728
05:45:44,780 --> 05:45:44,780
that's true. Heb has been beloved by millions of texans for decades,
Including my late grandparents in south texas who first took me to an heb when I was

2729
05:45:54,100 --> 05:45:54,100
probably 4 or 5 years old. But that doesn't mean that this council should grant heb carte
Blanche a blank check when it asks for zoning.

2730
05:46:03,500 --> 05:46:03,500
instead, the equal protection clauses of the texas and us constitutions require this
Council to evaluate this case,

2731
05:46:11,110 --> 05:46:11,110
the same as it evaluates all other cases. Second,
That heb requests appropriate zoning for its store.

2732
05:46:19,870 --> 05:46:19,870
actually, it requests excessive zoning because it's asking for many more development
Rights than it needs.

2733
05:46:26,390 --> 05:46:26,390
heb or a future owner could build hundreds of apartments above its store.

2734
05:46:31,870 --> 05:46:31,870
heb seeks far more development rights than needed for other nearby grocery stores,
Such as the whole foods at preston forest,

2735
05:46:39,230 --> 05:46:39,230
the tom thumb at preston royal and the heb central market at preston royal all have cr
Zoning,

2736
05:46:45,670 --> 05:46:45,670
and senate bill 840 requires the city to allow multifamily and any retail district.

2737
05:46:51,310 --> 05:46:51,310
and so that would allow heb not only to build four storeys of apartments,
But it really means that this is a request for regional mixed

2738
05:47:00,830 --> 05:47:00,830
use and such excessive zoning far beyond what h-e-b actually needs is known as spot
Zoning,

2739
05:47:07,840 --> 05:47:07,840
and texas courts have repeatedly held that similar spot zoning is illegal.

2740
05:47:12,720 --> 05:47:12,720
third, that heb's site has great access because it is at the juncture of a freeway and a
Major thoroughfare.

2741
05:47:20,360 --> 05:47:20,360
take a closer look. The h-e-b site and the three office buildings to the south have no
Access whatsoever to the south or east.

2742
05:47:29,200 --> 05:47:29,200
the only access, the only exit to the north,
Is a one lane freeway frontage road, and it floods at times.

2743
05:47:36,720 --> 05:47:36,720
the only reliable access for the four properties is to the west,
But it shares that access and h-e-b's plan would require it to

2744
05:47:46,720 --> 05:47:46,720
use an access easement that is not at all on its property.

2745
05:47:51,280 --> 05:47:55,160
fourth, that heb's traffic generation is no big deal. Heb would not provide traffic counts despite our request,
And so instead, lambeth engineering has done actual traffic counts and have found that the

2746
05:48:03,530 --> 05:48:03,530
actual traffic counts are one third higher than we've told,
And then fifth, that we're just being nimbys.

2747
05:48:10,130 --> 05:48:10,130
but this is not in my backyard. This is taking shelby's driveway front driveway.

2748
05:48:16,210 --> 05:48:16,210
thank you. Thank you. Chris simmons.

2749
05:48:26,730 --> 05:48:26,730
name is chris simmons, and I live in cedar hill. Have the privilege of serving at
Cornerstone baptist church in south dallas,

2750
05:48:32,850 --> 05:48:32,850
and for the past 17 years have been a partner with heb and their feast of sharing that has
Served thousands of

2751
05:48:42,730 --> 05:48:46,450
individuals a meal during the thanksgiving time. And so I stand for you before you, as many who have supported this efforts,
Not really to say anything new,

2752
05:48:52,210 --> 05:48:52,210
but to just reiterate the importance of heb being a community partner and believe that
This particular location is strategically placed

2753
05:49:02,050 --> 05:49:02,050
to provide accessibility and convenience and service to the community.

2754
05:49:08,450 --> 05:49:08,450
when we think of how we think of something more than a grocery store,
They are proven and over the years have been shown to be a trusted community partner.

2755
05:49:20,090 --> 05:49:20,090
as they serve the residents in the dallas area.

2756
05:49:24,490 --> 05:49:24,490
particularly, as I mentioned around the feast of sharing,
Serving them with dignity, compassion,

2757
05:49:30,010 --> 05:49:30,010
respect and excellence. And so I think the store will be far more than will provide far
More than quality groceries.

2758
05:49:39,170 --> 05:49:39,170
but also, as we've heard from daniel rob well-paying jobs that will be impactful to the
Dallas community and

2759
05:49:49,050 --> 05:49:49,050
not only entry level jobs, but offering career opportunities to the residents across heb.

2760
05:49:56,850 --> 05:49:56,850
I believe heb has listened has hosted community meetings with neighborhood associations
And community groups and individual residents,

2761
05:50:05,460 --> 05:50:05,460
and have heard their concerns regarding a lot of things such as delivery truck traffic,
Loading,

2762
05:50:14,580 --> 05:50:14,580
dock placement, noise and congestion, and believe that they have and will continue to
Address those particular concerns with

2763
05:50:24,500 --> 05:50:24,500
infrastructure and traffic solutions. And so I just would like to say that we really
Support heb and their efforts,

2764
05:50:31,500 --> 05:50:31,500
and hope that you will consider making opportunity for them to come to this area.

2765
05:50:36,260 --> 05:50:36,260
thank you. Jack cox. Good afternoon,

2766
05:50:46,020 --> 05:50:46,020
mayor johnson city council, my name is jack cox.

2767
05:50:50,300 --> 05:50:50,300
I reside at 7658 el pensador drive in district 11.

2768
05:50:54,940 --> 05:50:54,940
I'm here today to urge you to deny the rezoning request submitted by heb.

2769
05:51:00,070 --> 05:51:00,070
while I appreciate the company's interest in expanding its footprint in dallas,
The proposal for this site does not conform to forward dallas.

2770
05:51:08,510 --> 05:51:08,510
our city's adopted land use plan for dallas is more than a document.

2771
05:51:13,750 --> 05:51:17,470
it's a collective vision of how dallas should grow. It emphasizes consistency and predictability in land use decisions.

2772
05:51:22,990 --> 05:51:22,990
unlike this zoning request protection of established neighborhoods and adjacent property
Owners from incompatible development such as this one.

2773
05:51:33,150 --> 05:51:33,150
promotion of walkable mixed use centers that align with transit and substantial or
Sustainability goals which this one does

2774
05:51:42,830 --> 05:51:42,830
not. Hebb's request undermines these principles.

2775
05:51:47,470 --> 05:51:47,470
the proposed rezoning, regional retail, introduces a large format,
Auto oriented use into an area designated for mixed use,

2776
05:51:57,590 --> 05:51:57,590
pedestrian friendly development. It would increase traffic congestion at an already
Congested intersection and reduce safety for nearby residents.

2777
05:52:07,870 --> 05:52:07,870
it would disrupt the planned transition transition towards higher density transit
Supportive land uses,

2778
05:52:15,510 --> 05:52:15,510
and it would set a precedent that weakens the integrity of forward dallas by allowing
Exceptions that contradict its core objectives.

2779
05:52:24,710 --> 05:52:24,710
approving this request would signal that our land use is negotiable rather than a guiding
Framework.

2780
05:52:31,470 --> 05:52:31,470
it would further erode public trust and undermine years of community engagement invested
In forward dallas.

2781
05:52:39,350 --> 05:52:39,350
dallas deserves development that strengthens neighborhoods,
Supports transit, and advances sustainability,

2782
05:52:46,910 --> 05:52:46,910
not projects that pull us backward and favor a few.

2783
05:52:51,110 --> 05:52:51,110
I respectfully ask you to deny this rezoning request.

2784
05:52:55,440 --> 05:52:58,680
thank you for your time today and your service to our city. Thank you. This includes your registered speakers.

2785
05:53:02,200 --> 05:53:05,320
are there any other individuals in the audience? Yes, I see several hands. So I'm going to let the registered speakers that just spoke to
Go ahead and free up the space there.

2786
05:53:15,320 --> 05:53:15,320
and then I'm going to ask that those speakers who want to address the city council to come
Forward and have a seat in the first couple of rows in the center section,

2787
05:53:26,160 --> 05:53:26,160
and you may begin, ma'am. Good afternoon, mayor johnson,
And I'm sorry, will you state your name and address for the record,

2788
05:53:33,760 --> 05:53:36,960
and you may begin? Yes, ma'am. My name is kenya woodruff. I reside at 4231 calculus drive in dallas, about three miles away from the proposed new
H-e-b store.

2789
05:53:45,240 --> 05:53:45,240
I have a husband and two kids. Both of which one attended hillcrest high school.

2790
05:53:50,280 --> 05:53:53,610
the other is attending hillcrest high school. My husband is a magistrate judge in the criminal courts in dallas county.

2791
05:53:59,170 --> 05:53:59,170
my family is very excited at the opportunity to shop at heb within the dallas city limits,

2792
05:54:04,850 --> 05:54:04,850
and not have to drive to a suburb to spend our tax dollars.

2793
05:54:09,050 --> 05:54:09,050
grocery stores foster a sense of community, as well as providing the opportunity to buy
Family staples.

2794
05:54:16,450 --> 05:54:16,450
as a resident, I welcome this store. As an attorney by profession,
I am extremely impressed that heb has been willing to commit to

2795
05:54:26,290 --> 05:54:26,290
so many written concessions. They agreed to deed restrictions that planning commission and
Received unanimous approval.

2796
05:54:34,050 --> 05:54:34,050
yet they continue to commit to additional deed restrictions before coming before this body
Today.

2797
05:54:40,130 --> 05:54:43,370
this is a good company with a proven reputation. I hope you will join me in welcoming them to dallas.

2798
05:54:46,250 --> 05:54:46,250
thank you. Thank you. Next speaker.

2799
05:54:58,170 --> 05:54:58,170
good afternoon. My name is charlie nye. I'm part of the hillcrest preservation coalition,
And I live on hill park drive near the southeast

2800
05:55:07,890 --> 05:55:07,890
corner of lbj and hillcrest. I'm here today to oppose the rezoning request by h-e-b to
Regional retail of the ten acre tract at

2801
05:55:17,890 --> 05:55:17,890
the southeast corner of lbj and hillcrest. My opposition is not directed at heb or
Increased density per se.

2802
05:55:27,970 --> 05:55:27,970
the heb stores that I have visited are fantastic and amazing.

2803
05:55:34,810 --> 05:55:34,810
I also realize that overall increase in density is generally desirable in appropriate
Locations under appropriate

2804
05:55:44,250 --> 05:55:44,250
circumstances. However, the awkward fit of the proposed heb store onto the location of
This small

2805
05:55:53,980 --> 05:55:53,980
ten acre tract. Combined with the characteristics surrounding suburban,
Low density, quiet,

2806
05:56:01,540 --> 05:56:01,540
upscale residential neighborhood scream wrong place,
Wrong zoning for a massive 127,000

2807
05:56:11,450 --> 05:56:11,450
square foot store and adjacent parking garage.

2808
05:56:16,140 --> 05:56:16,140
there is absolutely no way that this small site can effectively provide enough area for
Parking,

2809
05:56:24,020 --> 05:56:24,020
ingress, egress and traffic circulation with respect to the proposed heb development.

2810
05:56:31,140 --> 05:56:31,140
most heb stores are developed on sites of 20 acres or more.

2811
05:56:37,180 --> 05:56:37,180
a recent traffic study prepared by lambeth engineering raises some eye opening concerns,
Including an

2812
05:56:46,630 --> 05:56:46,630
estimate based on the parking counts from heb's own store in allen,
Indicating that the traffic generated at the h-e-b

2813
05:56:56,590 --> 05:56:56,590
site of lbj and hillcrest will be 3 to 3 and a half times more than the traffic existing
There today.

2814
05:57:07,230 --> 05:57:07,230
the numbers during afternoon peak hours are 1000 101,122 vehicles per hour in and out,

2815
05:57:17,630 --> 05:57:17,630
which is about 19 vehicles per minute. Yikes.

2816
05:57:23,150 --> 05:57:23,150
the area around lbj and hillcrest will be a bad ass morass of snarled traffic.

2817
05:57:32,470 --> 05:57:32,470
I look forward to heb being in dallas, but not at this site.

2818
05:57:40,150 --> 05:57:40,150
we urge city council to carefully examine the long term consequences before approving a
Change that would undermine our

2819
05:57:49,720 --> 05:57:49,720
stable neighborhood. So vote no to the rezoning of this ten acre site to regional retail.

2820
05:57:58,360 --> 05:57:58,360
thank you. Thank you. Next speaker. Hello, greg anderson,

2821
05:58:08,520 --> 05:58:12,040
7109 mason dallas. And I'm trying to share my screen. Let's see if that works. Okay. Well, thank you all for being here.

2822
05:58:19,040 --> 05:58:19,040
and happy birthday, council members. We really need your vote today. So I do have a home
Here in your district.

2823
05:58:25,280 --> 05:58:25,280
thank you for being a council member. I do spend most of my time in austin where I have
The great pleasure of teaching.

2824
05:58:30,400 --> 05:58:34,200
a lot of your students that come from dallas to go to ut texas,
Hook em. H-e-b wants to come to dallas. I can't tell you all how lucky you are for that.

2825
05:58:38,160 --> 05:58:42,120
so I'm going to scoot up a little bit. I have tons of family here,
And it's funny. It's my uncle's birthday as well today. And I said,
Do you want to come down to city hall? He said they'd be silly not to vote for that. I'm

2826
05:58:46,920 --> 05:58:50,560
going to go do better things with my time. So that's his input,
Y'all. It's the most popular grocery store in the state of texas,
And it's really interesting. You know, you all have an interest. You have an opportunity

2827
05:58:56,480 --> 05:59:00,160
here. You're going to be easy to this community partner and let them into texas. Or are we going to be difficult. And I guess we're going to vote on that here in a minute.
Let's see.

2828
05:59:04,680 --> 05:59:04,680
let's move forward. So change happens, and I know that there's a lot of complaints that go
With change.

2829
05:59:09,120 --> 05:59:09,120
I've been on my planning commission for the last eight years,
And I've been yelled at numerous times. I'm probably going to be told by someone that I

2830
05:59:15,120 --> 05:59:15,120
was paid to be here. I was not paid to be here. No one asked me to be here. It's the right
Thing to do. My actually, my uncle did tell me to be here, so I guess I do have that

2831
05:59:21,600 --> 05:59:24,240
going. And they're amazing community partners. I also work at habitat for humanity. We build amazing homes for folks earning below 80% of
Median family income.

2832
05:59:29,400 --> 05:59:29,400
and heb just showed up one day with an amazing check. They want to be amazing partners
Because that's what they are.

2833
05:59:34,600 --> 05:59:38,160
and my aunt over here in dallas, her home, got hit by the tornado in 19. I know you had a speaker talking about that,
And she went straight to central market.

2834
05:59:42,370 --> 05:59:45,170
and she's excited about this too. She also wouldn't come today. You know, it's interesting. I know the folks that,
You know, might have a serious objection are kind of motivated to come down. Y'all know

2835
05:59:50,290 --> 05:59:50,290
that. But the folks who just think it's the right thing to do are just depending on you
All to make that vote. So this is the site today. I hope you all have gone to look at it

2836
05:59:57,250 --> 05:59:57,250
because it's just really, really sad. There's just not a whole lot going on here.

2837
06:00:01,650 --> 06:00:01,650
and with state law, sb two limiting all to 3.5% annual revenue growth,
Can you really afford to turn away organically grown tax base?

2838
06:00:10,810 --> 06:00:10,810
I don't know. You know and austin we just lost prop q and that was followed by a lot of
Very painful cuts.

2839
06:00:16,010 --> 06:00:16,010
I hope you all don't have to make those cuts. And you can allow for your tax base to grow
To have an amazing grocery store. It still blows my mind that we're having this

2840
06:00:22,050 --> 06:00:22,050
conversation. The land use code doesn't just allow this,
But I know here we are.

2841
06:00:26,890 --> 06:00:29,130
this is a site and it's just absolutely amazing. I'm so excited for y'all. I'm excited to go here. My family wants this.

2842
06:00:32,530 --> 06:00:32,530
I know you guys are probably hearing from a lot of other folks that want this. My hope is
A supermajority of y'all want this as well.

2843
06:00:38,300 --> 06:00:41,300
yes, here's a simple, positive step forward and I urge you to take it. Thank you. Thank you. I'm sorry, sir, I missed your name.

2844
06:00:45,340 --> 06:00:45,340
greg anderson. Thank you. You bet. Thanks. Next speaker.

2845
06:00:52,820 --> 06:00:52,820
good afternoon. My name is david westbrook. I live at 7125 carolyn court in dallas.

2846
06:01:00,060 --> 06:01:00,060
I also want to talk about traffic today, but specifically I want to talk about the
Trucking because I have experienced driving trucks.

2847
06:01:09,340 --> 06:01:09,340
as was previously mentioned, the semis will enter onto hillcrest plaza off of the 635
Service road

2848
06:01:18,900 --> 06:01:18,900
onto hillcrest plaza. That itself is not an easy turn to make,
And they will wind their way up that road and come

2849
06:01:28,860 --> 06:01:28,860
to hillcrest and stop at the stoplight. Now,
H-e-b is proposing to create an entrance into their loading

2850
06:01:38,820 --> 06:01:38,820
docks. It'll be 43ft north of hillcrest plaza.

2851
06:01:46,580 --> 06:01:46,580
so at the stoplight, the truck is going to have to make a maneuver to cross hillcrest.

2852
06:01:52,620 --> 06:01:52,620
all six lanes go slightly north and then go into the loading docks.

2853
06:01:58,420 --> 06:01:58,420
now, depending on the traffic conditions, the truck will have to forcefully claim all
Three lanes

2854
06:02:08,500 --> 06:02:08,500
of northbound hillcrest. Doing so will block all lanes of hillcrest plaza.

2855
06:02:18,140 --> 06:02:18,140
it will also block, depending on the length of the trailer,
Probably two of the southbound lanes of hillcrest.

2856
06:02:28,380 --> 06:02:28,380
that is going to close that intersection, and the truck will sit there until traffic moves
And then the truck

2857
06:02:38,350 --> 06:02:38,350
can complete that maneuver. And this is going to happen several times a day depending on
How many times

2858
06:02:48,310 --> 06:02:48,310
there are deliveries and traffic conditions. This is,
In my mind, just another

2859
06:02:57,910 --> 06:02:57,910
indication of how heb unfortunately has to forcefully plan

2860
06:03:08,030 --> 06:03:08,030
on how to fit something into this particular site.

2861
06:03:15,150 --> 06:03:15,150
it just doesn't fit. They cannot really get this size store into 9.9 acres.

2862
06:03:25,070 --> 06:03:25,070
it just really doesn't work. Square peg into a round hole.

2863
06:03:30,990 --> 06:03:30,990
all. Nothing against heb, but it just doesn't fit into this site and it's going to cause a
Lot of problems.

2864
06:03:41,720 --> 06:03:41,720
thank you very much. Thank you. Next speaker.

2865
06:03:49,240 --> 06:03:49,240
my name is paula goss and I live at 7125 aragon court.

2866
06:03:53,440 --> 06:03:53,440
and for those of you who don't know where that is,
That is adjacent to a piece of property that is currently zoned as neighborhood office.

2867
06:04:01,360 --> 06:04:01,360
it is the three buildings on the other side of what heb proposes that you approve.

2868
06:04:07,360 --> 06:04:07,360
as to regional retail. These are the facts. People keep calling this parcel a ten acre
Parcel.

2869
06:04:14,520 --> 06:04:17,720
it's not a ten acre parcel, it's a 9.9 acre parcel. And they are going to cut off part of that parcel in order to make a turn lane.

2870
06:04:22,080 --> 06:04:22,080
so we are now going to have I don't know how big the turn lane is going to be,
Because of course they haven't told us that yet and it might matter, but we might even

2871
06:04:28,480 --> 06:04:28,480
have an 8.9 or an 8.7 period piece of property that you're going to try to put 127,000
Square foot retail building on,

2872
06:04:37,520 --> 06:04:39,920
and a garage that nobody knows how tall it's going to be. Yet some people have said it's going to be two stories.

2873
06:04:42,800 --> 06:04:42,800
some people say it's going to be three stories. The one thing we know is that each story
Is going to be high enough for a fire truck to go in and out of,

2874
06:04:50,680 --> 06:04:50,680
probably because a fire truck is not going to be able to turn around on that property any
Other way except going through that garage.

2875
06:04:58,520 --> 06:04:58,520
there's going to be there is going to be security lights on top of that garage.

2876
06:05:05,560 --> 06:05:05,560
I sat in a meeting with planning and zoning,
Where people were talking about 35 cars going into a subdivision.

2877
06:05:11,560 --> 06:05:11,560
for some reason, heb can send in thousands of cars and nobody cares.

2878
06:05:15,720 --> 06:05:15,720
they're talked about lights being in a in a schoolyard that they want to be sure none of
The adjacent homeowners are going to be influenced,

2879
06:05:22,520 --> 06:05:22,520
that nobody cares about that they are. They are asking you to take the facts this building
Does not fit into this property.

2880
06:05:30,810 --> 06:05:30,810
they're asking you to trade those facts for their goodwill. There's no disputing their
Goodwill.

2881
06:05:35,370 --> 06:05:39,330
they're philanthropic. They're philanthropic. Endeavors are to be are to be commended. And they're fabulous. And I wish we could have them for dallas.

2882
06:05:42,050 --> 06:05:42,050
and I hope we get them for dallas. But they're asking you to trade the facts for their
Goodwill.

2883
06:05:47,370 --> 06:05:51,130
they're asking you to ignore the facts because they have goodwill in this community. Not one person who came up here today told you that they wanted an heb at 635 in
Hillcrest.

2884
06:05:57,370 --> 06:05:57,370
they went on heb in dallas. The only place that that heb could find was 635 in hillcrest
Because of a bankruptcy sale,

2885
06:06:04,650 --> 06:06:04,650
and they could get it at a good price. That is not a good excuse for sticking that in my
Backyard,

2886
06:06:09,930 --> 06:06:13,170
which is where it is. And I have been ridiculed. I've been humiliated because it's in my backyard and I tell people it's in my backyard,
But unfortunately it is in my backyard and it hurts.

2887
06:06:20,930 --> 06:06:20,930
thank you. Thank you. Next speaker.

2888
06:06:32,660 --> 06:06:32,660
carolyn bada 6902. Hill park. I'm part of the hillcrest preservation coalition.

2889
06:06:40,140 --> 06:06:40,140
first of all, I'd like to say we're not here to litigate whether heb is a good neighbor,
Gives to the community,

2890
06:06:49,220 --> 06:06:49,220
or provides jobs. We all know that that is true.

2891
06:06:53,540 --> 06:06:53,540
we're here to talk about a zoning change. If if heb really were a good neighbor,
They would not be seeking

2892
06:07:03,980 --> 06:07:03,980
a zoning that does not fit the site. They would be seeking a lesser zoning to provide a
Smaller store.

2893
06:07:14,140 --> 06:07:14,140
not trying to cram a big box store into a site that cannot contain it and that will
Produce excessive

2894
06:07:23,750 --> 06:07:23,750
traffic onto hillcrest road. I also want to say that for all the talk about nimbys,
Those

2895
06:07:33,710 --> 06:07:33,710
of us who oppose this zoning are not just a bunch of nimbys.

2896
06:07:37,750 --> 06:07:40,710
many of us have lived in this community for years. I've lived in the preston forest community for 50 years.

2897
06:07:44,630 --> 06:07:44,630
I've lived on this one cul de sac street for 30 years.

2898
06:07:49,470 --> 06:07:49,470
I have watched over 30 years as the traffic on hillcrest has increased and increased and
Increased.

2899
06:07:57,630 --> 06:07:57,630
today we jokingly call it the indianapolis speedway.

2900
06:08:02,110 --> 06:08:02,110
that is when it does not back up during peak hours where cars are jammed from lbj all the
Way to

2901
06:08:11,950 --> 06:08:11,950
churchill trying to get home. Now, hillcrest has become a major north south commuter
Pathway

2902
06:08:23,030 --> 06:08:23,030
and the, the proposed zoning and the and the application by for the heb,

2903
06:08:33,550 --> 06:08:33,550
as others have told you and emphasized, is going to dump untold numbers of cars onto
Hillcrest road.

2904
06:08:43,110 --> 06:08:43,110
now, there's there are two there's two avenues for egress or ingress and egress.

2905
06:08:50,710 --> 06:08:50,710
one is off of hillcrest, hillcrest plaza. The other is on to the access road at lbj.

2906
06:08:57,190 --> 06:08:57,190
if you have your map now, if anybody wants to go to go north on the access road,
They're not going to be able to get on lbj from there.

2907
06:09:06,830 --> 06:09:06,830
they'll have to go to court, or they'll have to make a u-turn and come back to hillcrest
And lbj,

2908
06:09:14,510 --> 06:09:14,510
which we already know is a congested intersection.

2909
06:09:20,720 --> 06:09:20,720
it's quite possible that people coming out trying to get out of of the hillcrest plaza
During peak hours,

2910
06:09:30,520 --> 06:09:30,520
might have to wait ten minutes to get onto hillcrest.

2911
06:09:34,840 --> 06:09:34,840
all right, let me just that's your time. Oh,
Okay.

2912
06:09:40,320 --> 06:09:43,920
the other thing is, deed restrictions may address your time. Okay. I just urge you to keep in mind the traffic problems that we've created.

2913
06:09:53,240 --> 06:09:53,240
okay. Thank you. They're going to take me out of here.

2914
06:09:58,520 --> 06:09:58,520
next speaker. Mr. Mayor,

2915
06:10:08,560 --> 06:10:08,560
members of the city council. I'm bruce wilkie,
7227 north jan-mar drive in dallas.

2916
06:10:15,480 --> 06:10:15,480
and I'm the president of the hillcrest forest neighborhood association.

2917
06:10:20,050 --> 06:10:20,050
our association has not previously taken a public position on this zoning application for
A number of reasons.

2918
06:10:26,730 --> 06:10:26,730
however, we appreciate heb management constructively working with us and offering us some
Public and private deed restrictions,

2919
06:10:35,730 --> 06:10:35,730
which would eliminate many of the uses not related to an heb store that would be allowed
If regional retail zoning was passed.

2920
06:10:46,410 --> 06:10:46,410
we're aware that many in our association have expressed individual opinions on this issue,

2921
06:10:52,690 --> 06:10:52,690
but the board of the hillcrest forest neighborhood association,
While not technically in support,

2922
06:10:59,170 --> 06:10:59,170
does not oppose this zoning application. In return for heb offering a list of public deed
Restrictions as part of its zoning request.

2923
06:11:09,530 --> 06:11:09,530
thank you. Next speaker. Thank you, members of the city

2924
06:11:19,530 --> 06:11:19,530
council and thank you all for your service. I'm larry ginsberg.

2925
06:11:25,130 --> 06:11:25,130
my address is 6911 oak manor drive. I'm appearing regarding agenda item z15.

2926
06:11:33,690 --> 06:11:33,690
I've lived just south of the heb site in the lake forest community for over 25 years.

2927
06:11:41,610 --> 06:11:41,610
I'm speaking in my personal capacity and not as a representative of any group.

2928
06:11:47,290 --> 06:11:47,290
I appreciate that my neighbors in north dallas love their homes and they love their
Neighborhoods.

2929
06:11:53,010 --> 06:11:56,370
when this matter arose, I asked myself some questions. First, why would an heb store be accretive to our neighborhood?

2930
06:12:01,090 --> 06:12:01,090
my answer is that the heb store will create needed additional food store options in north
Dallas.

2931
06:12:08,690 --> 06:12:08,690
the store will also generate jobs and additional sales tax revenue and property taxes.

2932
06:12:15,700 --> 06:12:19,340
would h-e-b be a good neighbor? The answer is yes. They are supportive of the communities in which they operate.

2933
06:12:22,660 --> 06:12:22,660
it's part of their dna. And it's particularly refreshing that h-e-b says that it will not
Seek governmental incentives to build its store.

2934
06:12:33,660 --> 06:12:33,660
I'm impressed that h-e-b was proactive in managing traffic to its site by identifying
Proposed routes to its store,

2935
06:12:41,900 --> 06:12:41,900
and then actually having its trucks test drive the routes related to all this.

2936
06:12:49,420 --> 06:12:49,420
the track is going to be redeveloped as something,
If not a food store, then something else,

2937
06:12:56,460 --> 06:12:56,460
perhaps as a multi-story apartment project. A more intensive use of this site fronting on
Lbj is inevitable.

2938
06:13:06,940 --> 06:13:06,940
and h-e-b has agreed to shape future uses of the property by agreeing to a substantial
List of deed restrictions.

2939
06:13:16,110 --> 06:13:18,870
there's been a fair amount of misinformation. Some have suggested that the store will attract the homeless and panhandlers because h-e-b
Will be discarding food,

2940
06:13:26,270 --> 06:13:30,150
and that in turn will attract undesirable types. I've intentionally driven past the loading docks at tom thumb and central market in north
Dallas at all hours of the day,

2941
06:13:37,950 --> 06:13:37,950
and I haven't seen any homeless people or panhandlers searching for discarded food.

2942
06:13:43,430 --> 06:13:43,430
it's also well known that supermarkets direct about to be discarded food to local food
Banks and homeless shelters.

2943
06:13:51,430 --> 06:13:51,430
this suggestion is simply not true. The proposed h-e-b store meets or exceeds the city's
High bar for development,

2944
06:14:00,190 --> 06:14:00,190
and I support h-e-b's application, as do many of my neighbors.

2945
06:14:04,750 --> 06:14:08,550
thank you for giving me this opportunity. Thank you. Next speaker. Are there any other individuals?

2946
06:14:12,230 --> 06:14:16,230
I see one more individual that wants to speak. Okay. Three more individuals. Thank you. You may begin.

2947
06:14:20,310 --> 06:14:20,310
yes. Daryl. Judy. One two, 614 breckinridge drive,
Dallas, texas.

2948
06:14:26,030 --> 06:14:26,030
and I'm about maybe a mile or so from the proposed site.

2949
06:14:31,630 --> 06:14:35,470
I do one thing. I haven't heard people stress enough. We are in a retirement neighborhood. There's a lot of older retirees.

2950
06:14:39,750 --> 06:14:39,750
there are ambulances coming in and out frequently to pick up people with heart attacks.

2951
06:14:46,750 --> 06:14:46,750
and with the traffic congestion that will be caused by the increased traffic with with the
New store,

2952
06:14:53,910 --> 06:14:53,910
I would very much be concerned about the response times whether they can get to the
Hospitals.

2953
06:14:59,190 --> 06:14:59,190
I am a hospital worker. There are two major hospitals.

2954
06:15:03,390 --> 06:15:07,030
we have a trauma center. I think the other one does too. Who? So I would oppose your zoning redistricting for safety reasons.

2955
06:15:16,520 --> 06:15:20,160
and to get the people from to the trauma centers on time. The proposed location is about one mile from the high five.

2956
06:15:24,120 --> 06:15:27,720
that's a very congested, congested neighborhood. And I think you should keep that in mind. Thank you very much.

2957
06:15:30,840 --> 06:15:30,840
thank you. Next speaker.

2958
06:15:41,520 --> 06:15:41,520
good evening. I'm benjamin scott with heb, 646 south flores in san antonio,
Texas.

2959
06:15:48,160 --> 06:15:48,160
I'd like to start by thanking you all tonight,
Thanking the mayor, council members, city staff and all of the community members here

2960
06:15:54,440 --> 06:15:54,440
tonight. This is a big opportunity for us, and that does not sit with me lightly at all.

2961
06:16:01,520 --> 06:16:01,520
we're extremely excited to be here. And all the work that has been put into this by all of
You.

2962
06:16:07,970 --> 06:16:07,970
all of the community members were extremely grateful for heb began its relationship and
Commitment to the city of dallas back in 2002,

2963
06:16:16,330 --> 06:16:16,330
when we opened our first lover, lover's lane central market store.

2964
06:16:20,890 --> 06:16:20,890
since then, that commitment has grown to five stores within the city of dallas,
And today,

2965
06:16:26,090 --> 06:16:26,090
we are extremely excited about the opportunity to finally bring our namesake brand to
Dallas.

2966
06:16:33,450 --> 06:16:33,450
as we see this store, it's a lot more than a store that's been discussed a lot here.

2967
06:16:37,530 --> 06:16:37,530
it's a major milestone in strengthening our partnership and commitment to the city of
Dallas,

2968
06:16:44,010 --> 06:16:44,010
and our collaboration with the city of dallas. As miss tolbert and I have discussed,
We see this as a huge opportunity.

2969
06:16:49,970 --> 06:16:49,970
you've seen our commitment here with five stores,
And that will only grow and grow beyond that,

2970
06:16:55,370 --> 06:16:58,610
a partnership and collaboration that will be important as we hope. This is the first of many stores in the city of dallas.

2971
06:17:02,810 --> 06:17:02,810
one step in that commitment that I'd like to put into the record today is our commitment
To work,

2972
06:17:07,460 --> 06:17:07,460
miss talbot, with you and your city staff to get that right turn lane in before the store
Opens.

2973
06:17:13,740 --> 06:17:13,740
so just to read into the record, our application has already been filed for that right
Turn lane under pave

2974
06:17:21,100 --> 06:17:21,100
d2500160. And then ww

2975
06:17:27,820 --> 06:17:27,820
we2500149. We've been through already a schematic review with staff and as of yesterday
Fully engineered

2976
06:17:37,740 --> 06:17:37,740
plans were submitted to the city staff. So I look forward to working with your team on
That to get that installed as soon as possible.

2977
06:17:45,300 --> 06:17:45,300
further into that, my commitment to work with the city of dallas and txdot to work on the
Flooding safety issues that have been discussed here.

2978
06:17:53,500 --> 06:17:53,500
we want this to be safe for every customer, every neighbor we have and every partner that
Works at our store.

2979
06:18:00,620 --> 06:18:00,620
so we're completely aligned on that goal. As an odd coincidence,
I'd just like to say today heb celebrating our 120th birthday today.

2980
06:18:10,180 --> 06:18:10,180
so you may see some of that as we're celebrating and very proud of that.

2981
06:18:14,700 --> 06:18:14,700
it is a really interesting coincidence today,
Because I see this as another milestone in our history that I look to celebrate someday.

2982
06:18:23,940 --> 06:18:26,900
so I appreciate you all affording us the opportunity. I'm available for any questions, and please know we're incredibly grateful for your
Consideration and look forward to being your partner.

2983
06:18:34,860 --> 06:18:34,860
thank you. Thank you. Next speaker. Good afternoon.

2984
06:18:45,580 --> 06:18:45,580
good afternoon, mayor. Members of the dallas city council.

2985
06:18:50,180 --> 06:18:52,980
thank you all for allowing me to stand before you today. My name is suzanne kedron, 2323 ross avenue. I'd like to talk just a little bit about how
Heb is a good neighbor and a good client at city plan commission.

2986
06:19:02,870 --> 06:19:02,870
before we received unanimous approval, we made a commitment to prohibit ten uses on the
Site.

2987
06:19:08,030 --> 06:19:08,030
while standing before the city plan commission,
We added an additional use.

2988
06:19:12,310 --> 06:19:12,310
since then, we have added 14 additional uses which will be prohibited.

2989
06:19:16,550 --> 06:19:16,550
we have added four development standards to reduce the size and other aspects of the store
That the community told us was important.

2990
06:19:24,430 --> 06:19:24,430
and even today, we added two additional compensations for that.

2991
06:19:28,870 --> 06:19:31,510
we also have private deed restrictions that are pending. And if you'd allow me the moment, I'd just like to read these into the record so that you
Can have the legal obligation from heb.

2992
06:19:37,990 --> 06:19:37,990
the following uses will be prohibited on the property building repair and maintenance shop
Machinery,

2993
06:19:43,990 --> 06:19:43,990
heavy equipment, truck sales and services. Vehicle or engine repair or maintenance.

2994
06:19:49,870 --> 06:19:52,630
temporary concrete or asphalt batching plant. Child or adult care facility. Hotel or motel.

2995
06:19:56,310 --> 06:19:56,310
lodging or boarding house, overnight, general purpose shelter,
Private game club.

2996
06:20:01,960 --> 06:20:01,960
and for purposes of these deed restrictions,
Private game club means a private place that is only open to its members that primarily

2997
06:20:09,000 --> 06:20:09,000
offers competitive gaming facilities, including games of skill such as ax throwing,
Darts,

2998
06:20:14,080 --> 06:20:14,080
shuffleboard. Member means an individual joining the private game club,
Auto service center,

2999
06:20:20,320 --> 06:20:20,320
car wash, commercial, amusement inside home improvement center,
Lumber, brick or building materials,

3000
06:20:26,320 --> 06:20:26,320
sales yard. Liquor store except as accessory to the general merchandise or food store.

3001
06:20:31,200 --> 06:20:31,200
100,000ft² or more. Mortuary. Funeral home or commercial.

3002
06:20:35,320 --> 06:20:37,960
wedding chapel. Motor vehicle fueling station. Except as an electric vehicle, chargers are permitted.

3003
06:20:41,400 --> 06:20:41,400
pawn shop. Restaurant with a drive in or drive thru service,
Except as accessory to a general merchandise or food store.

3004
06:20:47,800 --> 06:20:47,800
100,000ft² or more. Theater. Vehicle display.

3005
06:20:52,040 --> 06:20:55,360
sales and service. Commercial bus station and terminal. Commercial radio or television transmitting station,
Electrical substation, mini warehouse,

3006
06:21:01,360 --> 06:21:04,280
max and the maximum structure height is 60ft. Maximum number of storeys above grade is four,
And for the two that we worked on today for general merchandise or food store 3500ft² or

3007
06:21:13,000 --> 06:21:13,000
less, a general merchandise or food store, 3500ft² or more,
And a general merchandise or food store 100,000 or more.

3008
06:21:21,080 --> 06:21:21,080
a minimum of one off street parking space per 212ft² of floor area must be provided,
And for general merchandise or food store 100,000ft² or more.

3009
06:21:30,440 --> 06:21:30,440
the maximum floor area is 200,000ft². With that,
I hope you understand that heb is committed to this site,

3010
06:21:36,800 --> 06:21:40,080
is committed to this neighborhood and with that we seek your approval. Thank you for your time. Thank you, mr. Mayor.

3011
06:21:44,240 --> 06:21:44,240
there are no further speakers on this item. All right,
Mr.

3012
06:21:49,920 --> 06:21:49,920
roth, you have a motion. I do, thank you, a mr.

3013
06:21:54,450 --> 06:21:54,450
mayor. I'm moving to deny the zoning request.

3014
06:22:02,210 --> 06:22:02,210
without prejudice. And I move to that. We deny the zoning request without prejudice.

3015
06:22:09,690 --> 06:22:09,690
is there a second? Second? It's been moved and seconded.

3016
06:22:14,810 --> 06:22:14,810
you have five minutes to discuss. Mr. Roth, if you'd like.

3017
06:22:20,570 --> 06:22:20,570
five minutes. You have it. Thank you. This case is.

3018
06:22:26,530 --> 06:22:26,530
has been very difficult for the neighbors, for the applicant,
For the community generally.

3019
06:22:34,730 --> 06:22:34,730
and it reflects a a serious, major issue, which is,
Which is facing our city as a whole

3020
06:22:44,690 --> 06:22:44,690
as we grow traffic, as we grow, traffic is going to continue to also grow,
And it's going to become an issue of in this

3021
06:22:54,460 --> 06:22:54,460
whole region, in this whole city. We're we're 1.5 million people in dallas in 20 years.

3022
06:23:01,900 --> 06:23:01,900
we could be 3 to 5 million people. Traffic is always going to be a significant issue here.

3023
06:23:09,780 --> 06:23:09,780
we can't eliminate it, but we have to be responsibly dealing with it.

3024
06:23:18,300 --> 06:23:18,300
we need to have smart planning, smart design to deal with this issue.

3025
06:23:26,460 --> 06:23:26,460
we need to also make an express message and send an express message to the community,
To the world,

3026
06:23:35,660 --> 06:23:35,660
to the business community that we are open for business,
That we want to attract new business,

3027
06:23:41,700 --> 06:23:41,700
that we want to expand existing businesses, and that we want to provide a process that's
Effective and

3028
06:23:51,500 --> 06:23:51,500
allows the community to grow and prosper in a reasonable,
Sensitive, thoughtful manner.

3029
06:23:59,380 --> 06:23:59,380
I was I've been committed to protecting my neighborhood.

3030
06:24:05,340 --> 06:24:05,340
and that the neighborhood has priority in our decisions in what's going on in this in this
Area.

3031
06:24:14,740 --> 06:24:14,740
the neighborhood that we're talking about here is not just the homeowners.

3032
06:24:19,740 --> 06:24:19,740
it also includes the business people. It also includes the religious,
The education, the governmental institutions that are in

3033
06:24:29,740 --> 06:24:29,740
this this neighborhood. But it also includes the city.

3034
06:24:35,820 --> 06:24:35,820
the city is this part of this neighborhood. And this issue is not just relative just to
This one

3035
06:24:45,380 --> 06:24:45,380
intersection. We have got to figure out a way to create a process that allows companies,
Excellent

3036
06:24:55,230 --> 06:24:55,230
companies like h-e-b, to be able to do business in this city and to to be able to do
Business in neighborhoods in an effective,

3037
06:25:05,590 --> 06:25:05,590
thoughtful and not adverse situation for those folks.

3038
06:25:14,390 --> 06:25:14,390
I'm I, I have made the motion to, to do this without prejudice,
With the hope that the parties will go back and really try

3039
06:25:24,270 --> 06:25:24,270
to work something out to make this thing a, an opportunity that can have legs,
That can be successful.

3040
06:25:35,390 --> 06:25:35,390
the you heard from all the neighbors. The neighbors are.

3041
06:25:40,990 --> 06:25:40,990
and you've heard from business people, and you've and you've heard that everybody's trying
To discuss this.

3042
06:25:46,640 --> 06:25:46,640
the situation with this particular case is that over the period of time,
It's become more complicated.

3043
06:25:53,560 --> 06:25:55,960
we've developed. They've developed more issues. They've developed more opportunities to try to mitigate the issues that have come across.

3044
06:26:00,920 --> 06:26:00,920
and I think there's an opportunity to continue that discussion,
To continue that collaboration,

3045
06:26:08,040 --> 06:26:11,800
to try to get to a path that would be successful for both groups. And that's why I'm asking for the denial of this particular zoning request without
Prejudice.

3046
06:26:23,920 --> 06:26:23,920
I think that there there are great opportunities here.

3047
06:26:29,600 --> 06:26:29,600
our processes need to recognize the complexity of the traffic and the growth issues that
Are facing this

3048
06:26:39,360 --> 06:26:43,360
city. We have got to embrace those growth issues. We've got to embrace the traffic increases that we have to that we're going to be faced
With.

3049
06:26:50,130 --> 06:26:50,130
but we also have to create a process that's reasonable and respects the the neighborhoods
And the communities that they're in.

3050
06:26:58,370 --> 06:26:58,370
we can do better. And I think that in a discussion with the neighborhood,
The the progress that's been made by the offering of the deed

3051
06:27:07,970 --> 06:27:07,970
restrictions, the communication to the business owners in the in the office buildings next
Door,

3052
06:27:15,930 --> 06:27:15,930
and the interaction that's been positive with regard to the neighborhoods and heb are all
Good signs of an ability to maybe try to keep this thing

3053
06:27:25,970 --> 06:27:25,970
moving in the right direction. And I would I would respectfully request that we deny this
That this zoning with with,

3054
06:27:34,090 --> 06:27:37,090
with, without prejudice. Thank you. Your time. Thank you sir. Mr. Bazaldua, you're recognized for five minutes.

3055
06:27:40,090 --> 06:27:40,090
we're on a motion, to deny with prejudice, I believe.

3056
06:27:44,290 --> 06:27:44,290
without on z15. Without. Without prejudice. Yes,
Sir.

3057
06:27:49,930 --> 06:27:52,010
all right. You're recognized for five minutes. Thank you. Mayor. I will not be supporting this motion.

3058
06:27:55,650 --> 06:27:55,650
I I think that it's it says a lot quite frankly,
To have a case come to us at any time that has not

3059
06:28:05,490 --> 06:28:05,490
only unanimous support from our planning commission,
But also is aligned with the support and recommendation from staff.

3060
06:28:15,850 --> 06:28:19,130
we have heard from a lot of people on both sides. We've heard even through our emails from a lot of people on both sides.

3061
06:28:24,450 --> 06:28:24,450
and in fact, I would say more so on the email side was support than in opposition.

3062
06:28:31,810 --> 06:28:31,810
and I'll tell you, I know that it was referenced with dallas morning news comments about
Nimbyism and as a representative of a

3063
06:28:43,140 --> 06:28:43,140
district that would absolutely welcome an heb.

3064
06:28:48,340 --> 06:28:48,340
I hope y'all are hearing that. Heb. I think if it looks like a duck and quacks like a
Duck,

3065
06:28:55,180 --> 06:28:55,180
I mean, we can have a real conversation here,
But I've heard from many of my constituents who were very taken back by some of the the

3066
06:29:05,100 --> 06:29:05,100
comments that have been made over the past several weeks leading up to this case.

3067
06:29:11,140 --> 06:29:11,140
so it was also mentioned earlier in another item that we shouldn't let perfect be the
Enemy of good.

3068
06:29:18,260 --> 06:29:18,260
one of the things that I think we should be looking at is the fact that I mean,
It was a social media craze when heb started coming to the region,

3069
06:29:28,900 --> 06:29:32,260
but I want to highlight that word and say the region. One of the things that I saw and heard a million times was,
When are they coming to dallas?

3070
06:29:40,270 --> 06:29:40,270
when are they coming to dallas? We continue to put ourselves in positions where we have
Allowed for other municipalities,

3071
06:29:50,270 --> 06:29:50,270
other jurisdictions to compete with us. And mayor,
I know that it's been a priority of yours to change that

3072
06:30:00,110 --> 06:30:00,110
mindset because as much as we want to be friendly with our other jurisdictions in the
Region,

3073
06:30:05,550 --> 06:30:05,550
we also want to compete. And I know when it comes to opportunity,
When you have a company that is as reputable as h-e-b,

3074
06:30:14,510 --> 06:30:14,510
when you have a company that has done as much as they have done in the communities that
They've been a part of,

3075
06:30:20,350 --> 06:30:20,350
that are knocking on our door and wanting to be in our city for us to make it hard,
Harder to put obstacles in the way,

3076
06:30:29,590 --> 06:30:29,590
to ignore their willingness to comply with the ability to get a unanimous support at the
Planning commission before us.

3077
06:30:38,990 --> 06:30:38,990
but because a few loud voices have an issue with their theory of what park or traffic
Would look like just have a

3078
06:30:48,950 --> 06:30:48,950
huge problem with where we're headed. It's not the message we need to be sending the great
Companies like h-e-b when we want to be a leader in this region.

3079
06:30:58,950 --> 06:30:58,950
I do not want to continue to perpetuate a cycle of losing opportunities to the suburbs of
Dfw.

3080
06:31:05,910 --> 06:31:05,910
we are dallas. In addition to that, I'm proud that we have cut the ribbon and opened a
Jovie's grocery store in district

3081
06:31:15,790 --> 06:31:15,790
seven over on buckner and samuel. It's one that I see a lot of conversation about on
Social media,

3082
06:31:24,470 --> 06:31:24,470
especially after a lot of speculation. I personally had speculation and went down to
Houston to visit the store myself to get my own perspective to be able to

3083
06:31:34,320 --> 06:31:34,320
advocate with my constituents. And now I will say again,
When it comes to being perfect, being the enemy of good.

3084
06:31:44,480 --> 06:31:44,480
what I have seen is that if I would have gotten in the way of the opportunity that came at
Buckner and forney,

3085
06:31:50,440 --> 06:31:50,440
I mean, at buckner and samuel, if I would have stood in the way because I wanted to demand
That it was an h-e-b flagship store that I

3086
06:32:00,400 --> 06:32:00,400
wanted to dictate the way that this profitable business is doing their own business model.

3087
06:32:06,080 --> 06:32:06,080
I would have taken away the opportunity to where tens of thousands of district seven
Residents and in the area are getting their groceries.

3088
06:32:16,560 --> 06:32:16,560
we talk about our need to not only compete, but also to combat inequities that exist in
Our city.

3089
06:32:23,080 --> 06:32:23,080
and I want to be a good partner with h-e-b. I want to help close the gap in food
Insecurity areas of our city.

3090
06:32:29,320 --> 06:32:32,730
and I know that it is not a true partnership. If we are going to be a zero sum partner and tell you that we don't want something because
Perfect is going to be the enemy of good.

3091
06:32:41,810 --> 06:32:44,570
so for that, I will not be supporting this denial. I hope that we can support bringing this heb to the city limits.

3092
06:32:49,010 --> 06:32:51,730
the first one, and it will be the first of many to come. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Mayor pro tem, you're recognized for five minutes.

3093
06:32:56,170 --> 06:32:56,170
thank you mayor. I will not be able to support the motion before us,
But I do want to thank.

3094
06:33:02,930 --> 06:33:02,930
I take the time to thank the residents who came out.

3095
06:33:07,090 --> 06:33:07,090
resident and community support is critical in this case.

3096
06:33:11,490 --> 06:33:11,490
we heard on both sides, those who supported it and those who had concerns.

3097
06:33:17,650 --> 06:33:17,650
I do want to take a moment to applaud councilmember roth for his efforts in making this
Request more beneficial to the community.

3098
06:33:26,930 --> 06:33:26,930
it goes beyond what cpc approved. And the request that's before us provides additional
Protections to

3099
06:33:36,850 --> 06:33:40,690
the neighbors. And for those reasons, I will not be able to support the amendment. Thank you. Mayor. Just for clarity, it's not an amendment,
Folks.

3100
06:33:47,130 --> 06:33:50,450
chairman was recognized for five minutes. Thank you. Mayor. I appreciate it. First, I want to also echo what mayor pro tem said to the
Neighbors who many of whom reached out both in support and in

3101
06:34:00,130 --> 06:34:00,130
opposition. I appreciate the feedback. I read your emails and I appreciate everybody who
Has come here tonight.

3102
06:34:07,250 --> 06:34:10,650
I want to relay my special thanks to mr. Wilkie. I don't know where you went, but of the areas of the hillcrest forest neighborhood
Association your neighborhood did a deep dive on this,

3103
06:34:18,970 --> 06:34:22,650
I can tell. Negotiated some of the deed restrictions. And I really love it when we can see organized neighbors actually make a case better.

3104
06:34:28,340 --> 06:34:28,340
and then and they're not so entrenched in their their know that they can't come to an
Agreement.

3105
06:34:34,780 --> 06:34:34,780
and then actually you actually went further and came down here and actually you know,
Talked about it and talked about the process,

3106
06:34:42,020 --> 06:34:45,980
which I appreciate. So often we see people be entrenched in a no. Or when they are a yes, they just don't come down here. So it's nice to see that you did
That because of your work and work of others and hb's willingness to agree.

3107
06:34:55,380 --> 06:34:55,380
we have good deed restrictions. We received unanimous,
Unanimous support at cpc, and yet hb came back and offered even more deed restrictions

3108
06:35:05,420 --> 06:35:05,420
as late as today, which I think is great. There really isn't a better site in dallas that
I've seen for an heb to put its first

3109
06:35:15,340 --> 06:35:15,340
flag in the city of dallas. You have location on a highway,
You have a new turn lane being installed.

3110
06:35:22,820 --> 06:35:22,820
this just seems like a no brainer case to me,
And I'm I can't support my colleague in this situation.

3111
06:35:28,710 --> 06:35:32,110
thank you, miss blackmon. You recognized for five minutes. Thank you. And I do want to thank everybody for staying late with us.

3112
06:35:35,670 --> 06:35:35,670
but I do have a couple of questions. Some folks alluded to a traffic study,
Not a traffic study.

3113
06:35:44,390 --> 06:35:44,390
I read the report. So my question is, is there a traffic study or as that's written,
Is that when you start to go to permitting,

3114
06:35:53,670 --> 06:35:53,670
that's when there'll be a more deep dive. Thank you.

3115
06:36:00,790 --> 06:36:00,790
thank you so much for the question. Yes. This is actually a general zoning change.

3116
06:36:05,990 --> 06:36:05,990
so for a general zoning change where we don't look so close to a site plan or any kind of
Good

3117
06:36:15,990 --> 06:36:15,990
layout associated with it is more we don't require a traffic impact analysis,
Even if we would have had those.

3118
06:36:24,720 --> 06:36:24,720
a traffic impact analysis is always required at permitting.

3119
06:36:28,800 --> 06:36:28,800
so even if we had one right now, we still require a different one at permitting because we
Wanted to make sure that what you're submitting actually will make sense and if you

3120
06:36:37,600 --> 06:36:37,600
trigger improvements or anything. So was there any discussion about the traffic situation?

3121
06:36:43,760 --> 06:36:43,760
because I know we're making some adjustments there at the light and such and with turning
Lanes.

3122
06:36:50,320 --> 06:36:50,320
so there was some probably some eyeballing of it,
Of knowing that this could be an issue.

3123
06:36:56,040 --> 06:36:56,040
can you speak to that? I can carl is also here,
And I think he and the team looked at it.

3124
06:37:03,520 --> 06:37:03,520
we do. We always when we do zoning review, we always have a transportation,
Engineering and transportation department.

3125
06:37:09,400 --> 06:37:09,400
look at all the zoning cases. And even if it turns into a heads up to the developer,
Prospective developer,

3126
06:37:16,720 --> 06:37:16,720
the applicant to say, hey, when you submitted permitting,
We will take a deeper dive.

3127
06:37:21,360 --> 06:37:21,360
this is an intersection that already needs major improvements and you are coming into this
Situation,

3128
06:37:27,560 --> 06:37:27,560
so expect it as part of our due diligence to let them know,
To expect that we did have those conversations.

3129
06:37:33,880 --> 06:37:33,880
they submitted some sort of a traffic study. So we always do that.

3130
06:37:38,520 --> 06:37:38,520
as a rule of thumb, I want public to know to add to that.

3131
06:37:56,120 --> 06:37:56,120
expression. I mean, just say there was discussions about a traffic study,
Not a traffic study.

3132
06:38:02,680 --> 06:38:02,680
just wondering. I'm sure you all did some due diligence before you came this far.

3133
06:38:08,480 --> 06:38:11,680
I just want to know, did we see those? Have we looked at them? Because, you know, I mean, traffic is traffic in the inner city,
But we don't want it to be so unbearable.

3134
06:38:18,160 --> 06:38:18,160
and I'm just curious if your department had a chance to look at it,
Work with them, or how,

3135
06:38:23,290 --> 06:38:23,290
if any, discussions on traffic, because I know that it just happens during according to
The the report,

3136
06:38:29,930 --> 06:38:29,930
during the permitting process. Right. Gus, the director of the department of
Transportation,

3137
06:38:34,650 --> 06:38:34,650
public works. So my understanding from my staff that they've had some high level
Discussion about the traffic in that area and

3138
06:38:44,250 --> 06:38:44,250
certainly which basically contributed to the discussions about the improvements physical
Improvements of the intersection as a

3139
06:38:54,050 --> 06:38:54,050
whole. So and the improvements, again, is not only limited to the physical infrastructure
Improvement,

3140
06:39:00,770 --> 06:39:04,330
but also the electronics on the traffic signals and so on. Okay. Thank you. Also to looking at and there's been comments about density and I'm
Looking at the far it seems it would you say

3141
06:39:14,290 --> 06:39:14,290
it's pretty much the same as far as how much coverage of the land and the building is.

3142
06:39:22,020 --> 06:39:22,020
so yes. Thank you. Page five of the report, the general zoning changes from an no,
Which is neighborhood office to an rr regional retail these two

3143
06:39:31,860 --> 06:39:34,460
type of zoning districts, obviously they're different. They allow different type of uses. This rr allows general merchandise by.

3144
06:39:39,620 --> 06:39:39,620
right. They have a distance. The difference in height.

3145
06:39:44,220 --> 06:39:44,220
far I don't yeah. It's around the same. The lot coverage is the one that differs and the
Height.

3146
06:39:51,780 --> 06:39:55,700
but the f.a.r is the same. And you are right,
The f.a.r is the most restrictive one. And in order to park it, there's going to be a parking garage.

3147
06:39:59,420 --> 06:40:02,820
or is that just something that I catch that,
Right? Yes. And that's for the applicant. So they will still have to comply with the parking
Requirements,

3148
06:40:07,940 --> 06:40:11,620
which per our parking reform, there aren't many. But it is our understanding from the applicant that they're planning to build a garage and
To provide their normal parking based on the expectations for the site.

3149
06:40:21,460 --> 06:40:21,460
this might be actually for the applicant, but if you don't have it,
You know, we're looking under every couch cushion for every penny we can have.

3150
06:40:27,780 --> 06:40:27,780
did you all do an economic development study,
Like understanding what what what more you'll put in the coffers,

3151
06:40:35,420 --> 06:40:35,420
either through sales tax or property tax? Is there that kind of data?

3152
06:40:42,740 --> 06:40:42,740
if not, that's fine. I was just curious. Do you mind pushing that button so

3153
06:40:52,700 --> 06:40:56,180
we can hear you? I apologize, we do have those numbers. If you could give me a second to pull them, I'll be right back with you.

3154
06:40:59,380 --> 06:40:59,380
okay? Yes, ma'am. Also, too, I mean, I think we have three council members here that are
On ferguson road,

3155
06:41:05,380 --> 06:41:08,940
and I think we have some big land that you can come and develop. One right on 635 and ferguson. And so we're happy to help you find that place,
But the current 2002 opening of the central market is in my

3156
06:41:18,670 --> 06:41:18,670
district, in lovers lane. I remember when councilwoman mary pos advocated for that and the
It was a big day.

3157
06:41:25,310 --> 06:41:25,310
it was pretty darn cool when we opened it and steven,
But has been a good neighbor, a good partner in anything we do is somebody who shows up

3158
06:41:34,390 --> 06:41:34,390
when they are asked, regardless if it's, look,
You know, we need extra parking at the central market at lover's lane,

3159
06:41:41,030 --> 06:41:41,030
dun. We need more security because we've got folks coming through that may be unsheltered.

3160
06:41:47,750 --> 06:41:47,750
it was a big population there. Done. There is.

3161
06:41:52,190 --> 06:41:52,190
and I think the best thing that I see from your store is when I see jacob's name and has
Been there since 2002,

3162
06:41:59,990 --> 06:41:59,990
and he's the sweetest little russian man who checks you out very methodically.

3163
06:42:04,430 --> 06:42:04,430
and that says a lot about your company, that you're not going anywhere,
That you're here to stay and you're here to work if there is going to be a traffic

3164
06:42:12,320 --> 06:42:12,320
problem, I'm sure we can call you and we can get it worked out if there is going to be a
Public safety issue.

3165
06:42:18,880 --> 06:42:18,880
I feel that your company has always been able to be in contact with,
And you get it resolved in a very thoughtful and and very intentional way.

3166
06:42:29,000 --> 06:42:29,000
and so you know, we need grocery stores. We do.

3167
06:42:34,120 --> 06:42:34,120
and we need good grocery stores. And your door and your door is always open.

3168
06:42:40,280 --> 06:42:40,280
but I'm also happy to hear that you have a huge list of things that we're going to put in
As deed restrictions,

3169
06:42:47,080 --> 06:42:47,080
because we heard from you. So I guess what that's telling me is when or if I'm not saying
When or if there is these issues,

3170
06:42:54,880 --> 06:42:54,880
you will always be there to come back at the table to help us address if there is a
Traffic issue or if a parking issue arrives or such.

3171
06:43:01,920 --> 06:43:01,920
so I'm councilman roth, I do applaud you for working this,
But I'm not going to be able to support it.

3172
06:43:09,760 --> 06:43:09,760
and and I do think that this is the first of,
Of many herbs.

3173
06:43:15,080 --> 06:43:15,080
I love central market. I walk there, I live next door,
And it's it's a really fine establishment.

3174
06:43:23,520 --> 06:43:23,520
and you should be proud of what you built as a texas company and promoting texas
Businesses.

3175
06:43:29,080 --> 06:43:29,080
and I look forward to the opening to your next store in dallas.

3176
06:43:33,560 --> 06:43:37,320
thank you, thank you. If I could just follow up on your question on the economic. We looked at a five year analysis, and it's about $20 million,
We estimate, in sales tax revenues that would be brought to the city and over 4 million in

3177
06:43:44,680 --> 06:43:44,680
property tax with 800 new jobs created over that.

3178
06:43:48,800 --> 06:43:51,840
did you say 800 new jobs? 800 new jobs with the store? Yes, ma'am. Thank you sir, thank you. Thank you.

3179
06:43:57,400 --> 06:43:57,400
council member blair. Yes, I have more questions.

3180
06:44:02,600 --> 06:44:02,600
for transportation and traffic improvements and an egress and ingress.

3181
06:44:10,010 --> 06:44:10,010
we heard a lot about the challenges. It would be to get in and out of this property.

3182
06:44:19,050 --> 06:44:19,050
doctor, can you help us understand what is being offered to help help eliminate those
Problems?

3183
06:44:29,690 --> 06:44:29,690
thank you. So obviously, again, the the site has not been engineered,
Fully engineered.

3184
06:44:35,250 --> 06:44:35,250
however, at the high level, what has been discussed,
To my knowledge, is the improvements to the intersection that is sorely needed

3185
06:44:45,570 --> 06:44:45,570
for the city of dallas, which I'm hearing the residents and their spot on,
On the challenges of that location.

3186
06:44:51,570 --> 06:44:55,330
I mean, we've got the drainage issues, we've got the traffic issues and so on. So at the, you know, to start with, I mean, just putting that right turn lane in there.

3187
06:45:01,250 --> 06:45:01,250
I mean, it saves the city a huge burden because of the fact that you've got so many
Utilities in that way.

3188
06:45:07,700 --> 06:45:07,700
we don't have the right of way and so on, and they're doing all that as part of the
Discussion,

3189
06:45:12,780 --> 06:45:12,780
in addition to the other discussions that what I have been informed of the willingness to
Improve the

3190
06:45:22,020 --> 06:45:22,020
electronics on the 635 hillcrest intersection traffic signal,
As well as the modifications

3191
06:45:31,780 --> 06:45:31,780
at the newly constructed hillcrest plaza and hillcrest traffic signal and potentially
Further down which I would like to

3192
06:45:41,700 --> 06:45:41,700
have a conversation also about the improvements to hillcrest and churchill way.

3193
06:45:47,580 --> 06:45:47,580
so once we do all these things, if they materialize,
Will be able to be able to use technology to improve the throughput of the traffic

3194
06:45:57,540 --> 06:45:57,540
in that area. Thank you. So just to make it simple for the my colleagues here.

3195
06:46:06,470 --> 06:46:06,470
but you're basically saying is through this process,
There will be some major upgrades and some major changes to hillcrest in 635

3196
06:46:16,310 --> 06:46:19,550
that is being brought by this development. Correct? I believe so. Thank you. Thank you very much for that.

3197
06:46:26,790 --> 06:46:26,790
and doctor. Eudora. When I look on slides

3198
06:46:36,830 --> 06:46:36,830
page number 16 it says the map vicinity, the vicinity

3199
06:46:46,670 --> 06:46:46,670
map. If I'm reading this correctly, those areas in blue are are floodplain.

3200
06:46:54,230 --> 06:46:57,270
the areas that are white are not floodplain. Is that correct? Yes, yes. So this means this site is not in a floodplain.

3201
06:47:01,590 --> 06:47:01,590
is that not correct per these maps? Yes. So there is no modification that needs to be to
Bring this section,

3202
06:47:09,990 --> 06:47:13,630
this this land up and take it out of floodplain if it's not in floodplain. Correct. Per this map. But they will again, they will submit for permitting,
As you know,

3203
06:47:18,230 --> 06:47:21,910
and it will be routed to dallas water utilities and to our engineering department. And if they see any kind of touching of the floodplain with their new development,
They will review it accordingly

3204
06:47:31,870 --> 06:47:35,750
and they will have to comply with laws. Okay. So my next question if I will, if I may, I don't know if it's for miss kidron or if it's
For you.

3205
06:47:43,310 --> 06:47:43,310
I understand, I know that miss kidron read some more deed restrictions into the records
Just now.

3206
06:47:50,670 --> 06:47:50,670
and I don't know if it's. It's miss kidron or both of you who may need to to answer this.

3207
06:47:59,320 --> 06:47:59,320
based on straight zoning and what with the regional retail can have and what what was
Previously deed

3208
06:48:09,120 --> 06:48:09,120
restricted out and what was just of added to those restrictions.

3209
06:48:16,120 --> 06:48:16,120
how much more is left in this zoning classification besides retail?

3210
06:48:28,200 --> 06:48:28,200
that's a very great question. Some of agricultural uses.

3211
06:48:33,440 --> 06:48:35,600
I mean, I can come back and read all of them. I didn't a little bit of commercial. Just give me a ballpark.

3212
06:48:40,040 --> 06:48:40,040
we've. From what I understand and what I remember,
You've restricted out almost every hazard,

3213
06:48:47,600 --> 06:48:47,600
every business, every classification, except for retail.

3214
06:48:53,880 --> 06:48:56,520
is that correct? Yeah, there's a good number. Councilwoman blair, that was restricted. I know you know this from your time on planning
Commission.

3215
06:49:00,810 --> 06:49:00,810
that initial list was very common that we would get from planning commission.

3216
06:49:04,850 --> 06:49:04,850
and since then, as I noted, we did add an additional 14 uses,
So.

3217
06:49:08,890 --> 06:49:08,890
yes, ma'am. We included a lot. I won't say it was just retail that was left,
But there is a lot that we did take out,

3218
06:49:15,370 --> 06:49:15,370
ma'am. And reading the report, I know that there's one commissioner who worked on this
Case in planning

3219
06:49:25,850 --> 06:49:25,850
that would happen to be yours. And when I was on planning,
If you can get anything by her,

3220
06:49:32,770 --> 06:49:32,770
it was solid. Did she have any issues with with what was brought forward,
What was left that you guys brought to us?

3221
06:49:42,130 --> 06:49:42,130
no, ma'am. She was actually very instrumental in crafting that initial list of ten.

3222
06:49:46,730 --> 06:49:46,730
and then once we were on the floor, she did ask for an additional one,
Which we promptly gave to her.

3223
06:49:52,970 --> 06:49:52,970
thank you so very much, both of you. You're welcome.

3224
06:49:59,730 --> 06:49:59,730
h-e-b central market. Shall we? Excuse me. Jovis.

3225
06:50:04,610 --> 06:50:04,610
I call it jovis. That's my nickname for it. I have shopped there.

3226
06:50:11,370 --> 06:50:11,370
it's. There's one not far in district three. It used to be district eight.

3227
06:50:15,730 --> 06:50:15,730
when it started to be developed. It was district eight until redistricting.

3228
06:50:23,570 --> 06:50:23,570
whether or whether or not it's north or south,
I want one.

3229
06:50:30,610 --> 06:50:30,610
I shop in central market. I shop in heb, I shop in jovis.

3230
06:50:38,250 --> 06:50:38,250
I this was the first time that I knew that that the good,
The smokey joe's,

3231
06:50:48,010 --> 06:50:48,010
smokey joe's was actually distributing their product through heb.

3232
06:50:55,540 --> 06:50:55,540
I eat at jovi at smokey joe's too. Okay, I'm all over the city.

3233
06:51:01,340 --> 06:51:01,340
I go where good food is. I go where good shopping is.

3234
06:51:07,740 --> 06:51:07,740
I have exquisite taste. My mother gave it to me and I use it.

3235
06:51:14,300 --> 06:51:18,020
I'm sorry. My brother, my fellow council member. I am not unable to support your denial. I have land and I welcome heb

3236
06:51:28,180 --> 06:51:28,180
central market in my backyard. I have residents that would love to see you there.

3237
06:51:37,580 --> 06:51:37,580
what? I most importantly, what I heard was that there is improvements that are going to
Happen that will not happen unless this happens.

3238
06:51:45,140 --> 06:51:45,140
it has to happen in order for us, for your neighborhood to grow.

3239
06:51:49,260 --> 06:51:49,260
so for that reason, I cannot support you. Thank you.

3240
06:51:53,710 --> 06:51:53,710
thank you. Chair. Gracey. Thank you. I'll start with the good and and first I'm going to
Start with.

3241
06:52:02,030 --> 06:52:02,030
thank you. I do acknowledge the fact that heb does,
In fact, give back.

3242
06:52:07,230 --> 06:52:07,230
I've been to the quest for texas best and went down to houston and and took a tour of the
Jovis,

3243
06:52:13,910 --> 06:52:17,750
both the oldest and the newest. Jovis did all of that. And they absolutely do give back to the community.

3244
06:52:20,510 --> 06:52:20,510
and I'll continue to say thank you for that. Thank you for how you inserted yourself.

3245
06:52:25,070 --> 06:52:25,070
you came not just with a business model, but you came with a giving heart.

3246
06:52:29,470 --> 06:52:29,470
and I acknowledge that I really do. You know,
Again, we have the the local businesses there,

3247
06:52:36,870 --> 06:52:36,870
all of that. We've had those conversations. Why can't we get a heb in this particular
Location?

3248
06:52:41,630 --> 06:52:43,830
I just looked it up. You know, the average size. I think the smallest heb is like 12,000ft² down in san antonio.

3249
06:52:48,630 --> 06:52:52,110
and then I think there may be somewhere around 70,000ft². But when you look at the jovis, it is about 55,000ft².

3250
06:52:56,030 --> 06:52:59,510
and that's what what that particular location is. So again, I've, I acknowledge all of those things.

3251
06:53:03,190 --> 06:53:03,190
and I were talking about the aqua fit to the community and to the residents that stayed
And made your voices heard and your concerns.

3252
06:53:11,230 --> 06:53:11,230
definitely appreciate you and giving your feedback and making that very distinct
Difference between not being against heb,

3253
06:53:19,510 --> 06:53:22,830
but also understanding what fits in your community. Acknowledging all of that, the very, very, very frustrating thing.

3254
06:53:30,870 --> 06:53:30,870
for me, I'll just speak for me in southern dallas we've been asking,
We have so many food deserts and there's so many

3255
06:53:40,630 --> 06:53:42,670
gaps. And again, you all have filled that need. And again, thank you for that. But there are just so many other gaps.

3256
06:53:46,310 --> 06:53:50,080
and you have on one end you got a community says we don't want them on another one. I think when I heard some speaker, I'm not sure if she was here,
But they said within a two mile radius there's like seven grocery stores, you know what I

3257
06:53:56,560 --> 06:53:56,560
mean? And so when we hear these things and we have to consider this,
It's not an easy decision.

3258
06:54:01,600 --> 06:54:01,600
and it's very frustrating. And I have to go against my colleague here because of that.

3259
06:54:07,040 --> 06:54:07,040
and I guess I'm saying, you know, the message here,
And I want you to hear me when I say this because I'm very much appreciative.

3260
06:54:14,040 --> 06:54:14,040
but the message and again, all of my colleagues and,
And pastors that are here, that I have a tremendous amount of respect for all called me

3261
06:54:23,320 --> 06:54:23,320
and all of that, and I appreciate that. But the struggle for me,
And I just want to make this very clear,

3262
06:54:28,800 --> 06:54:28,800
the struggle for me makes it feel like you see southern dallas as a charity case versus
Capable consumers.

3263
06:54:37,600 --> 06:54:37,600
that is the sentiment that many of my constituents are feeling.

3264
06:54:43,400 --> 06:54:43,400
I want you to hear that we say thank you. We are,
And you are very much a giving organization.

3265
06:54:50,050 --> 06:54:50,050
but I want you to understand the sentiment that sometimes the giving gives versus the
Doing,

3266
06:54:57,290 --> 06:54:57,290
and that doing is thank you for the job. But we are heb worthy.

3267
06:55:01,890 --> 06:55:01,890
we have the money and the dollars to support it,
But oftentimes we're not getting there.

3268
06:55:06,490 --> 06:55:06,490
so this conversation, quite frankly, about any of these grocery stores is just continually
Frustrating because we find ourselves here advocating in the north

3269
06:55:17,690 --> 06:55:21,650
and coming up short in the south. And that is extremely frustrating to me. And I want you to appreciate that. So my frustration is not about heb.

3270
06:55:25,130 --> 06:55:27,930
welcome to dallas. Wonderful. Glad you're here. The frustration is we continue to have these conversations and it's and that's it.

3271
06:55:35,090 --> 06:55:35,090
thank you. Thank you. Chair. Gracey. Chair. Mendelsohn.

3272
06:55:42,330 --> 06:55:42,330
thank you. Well, first I'm going to say something to my colleague,
Bill roth.

3273
06:55:48,500 --> 06:55:52,260
you started working on this with neighbors before you were even elected. So I know how hard you've been trying to make this a great deal.

3274
06:55:56,820 --> 06:55:56,820
and you've had a very long, successful career in commercial real estate,
Which puts you as the most knowledgeable person to have tried to negotiate something.

3275
06:56:06,340 --> 06:56:06,340
and so I think we all recognize your expertise and your knowledge and how you know,
What it would take to have a really,

3276
06:56:15,740 --> 06:56:15,740
really great project. And the problem is you're seeing that we don't always approve really
Great projects.

3277
06:56:23,220 --> 06:56:23,220
we accept mediocre because of politics, because of expediency,
Because we have nonprofit leaders coming down and emotionally manipulating

3278
06:56:33,100 --> 06:56:33,100
us. And I'm going to be honest, there's mabry right up there.

3279
06:56:37,940 --> 06:56:37,940
mabry, you and I filled up a refrigerator in district eight.

3280
06:56:44,140 --> 06:56:44,140
house of a blind man. We've done a lot of nonprofit projects together,
But as at least 1 or 2 residents have said,

3281
06:56:52,420 --> 06:56:52,420
this is a zoning case. This is not about how wonderful h-e-b is.

3282
06:56:56,580 --> 06:56:56,580
and I'm going to tell you, I love h-e-b. I want h-e-b in dallas.

3283
06:57:01,340 --> 06:57:01,340
I do. It's just as simple as that. I don't think I live the closest to your proposed
Location,

3284
06:57:07,980 --> 06:57:07,980
and there's probably a triangle between council member,
Roth, willis, and I, but I know I drive by that location the most because I live off of

3285
06:57:17,740 --> 06:57:17,740
hillcrest and I drive by it every single day.

3286
06:57:22,140 --> 06:57:22,140
I've driven by this location or been to this location for so many years,
Because my child needed medical treatment three times a week at that shopping center or

3287
06:57:31,900 --> 06:57:31,900
office complex. I refuse to meet with you, h-e-b,
Because I'm like, I know this probably better than you do.

3288
06:57:41,950 --> 06:57:41,950
so I do have a couple questions and you can decide who's the right person to answer it.

3289
06:57:48,750 --> 06:57:48,750
but why isn't this a planned development?

3290
06:58:05,910 --> 06:58:05,910
thank you for this question. I can take a stab at it,
And if you wish, the applicant or the applicant wants to add more.

3291
06:58:13,870 --> 06:58:13,870
it didn't warrant a need for planned development district,
As I always say, we.

3292
06:58:19,950 --> 06:58:19,950
because when we are discussing with the applicants,
They have to prove to us that they cannot comply with the code and they need to change the

3293
06:58:28,710 --> 06:58:28,710
code in a way to fit their proposal. And then we discuss and we staff review if their
Proposal and their change is

3294
06:58:38,440 --> 06:58:38,440
within the vision of four dallas if it's technically sound and if it's a good look,
If it's a good proposal at that location,

3295
06:58:45,000 --> 06:58:45,000
we don't just like all of a sudden want a pd because we just want to carve out their own
Zoning.

3296
06:58:51,240 --> 06:58:51,240
they can develop their product in a general zoning change.

3297
06:58:55,320 --> 06:58:58,480
and every time that is possible, that's what we do. In order for you to gain the pd with city staff,
There are provisions in the code.

3298
06:59:04,880 --> 06:59:04,880
they need to have pre conferences. They need to talk to us and to show us why they cannot
Comply with the code and why they need a custom zoning.

3299
06:59:13,320 --> 06:59:13,320
so I think this was a mistake. And I think if you know the area and you know the traffic
Challenges and you know the flooding challenges,

3300
06:59:22,440 --> 06:59:22,440
this absolutely needs a pd in my opinion. I'm not a planner,
But that's the first thing that I said.

3301
06:59:30,600 --> 06:59:33,640
why are you doing it this way? This doesn't make sense. I would say that flooding and transportation are issues that are going to be addressed at
Permitting.

3302
06:59:38,520 --> 06:59:42,000
you cannot get out of them, and they're outside of the purview of zoning. So for zoning, we look again at, you know, lot coverage uses.

3303
06:59:46,000 --> 06:59:46,000
so everything that they have for zoning purposes,
This district can serve them.

3304
06:59:50,280 --> 06:59:54,120
again I think this belonged to the council to decide. So is there a traffic study that h.e.b. Did and did they or did they not share it with the
Residents?

3305
07:00:00,920 --> 07:00:00,920
they submitted a preliminary one with our transportation with us.

3306
07:00:05,760 --> 07:00:09,040
and our transportation planner looked at it. But there isn't. You share that with the residents? I think so,
But I think it was it was published on the agenda for,

3307
07:00:17,480 --> 07:00:17,480
for cbc. But as the staff report notes, there isn't enough advanced design that

3308
07:00:27,360 --> 07:00:31,120
will be changed at permitting to warrant a full on traffic study. So we were lacking data, and it's too early in the process for a traffic study.

3309
07:00:35,170 --> 07:00:35,170
I would say that I'm hoping that the applicant,
If they had one, shared it with the community.

3310
07:00:40,930 --> 07:00:44,050
did you guys share a traffic study with the residents? You did residents? You got a traffic study? Okay. What exactly is the access from hillcrest into heb if this
Goes

3311
07:00:54,250 --> 07:00:54,250
forward? It's the it's a I think it's a private driveway.

3312
07:00:59,450 --> 07:00:59,450
it's called hillcrest. Hillcrest plaza. Yes. Right.

3313
07:01:03,730 --> 07:01:03,730
and this is not a roadway the other side of the street where you're actually going to the
County buildings and some other corporate offices.

3314
07:01:13,850 --> 07:01:13,850
it's got it's a main road. This is not this is private road.

3315
07:01:21,370 --> 07:01:21,370
and h-e-b has no control over that road. Is that right?

3316
07:01:25,490 --> 07:01:25,490
I would let heb answer that. It is a private driveway for our purposes and for our review.

3317
07:01:30,930 --> 07:01:30,930
so, that will have to be modified when they submit for permitting to show that it will be
Able to handle access and traffic.

3318
07:01:38,900 --> 07:01:38,900
so I as far as ownership and who has rights,
I will ask him to address the question for our purposes is a is a private driveway.

3319
07:01:46,420 --> 07:01:46,420
do you want to come talk about hillcrest plaza drive?

3320
07:01:51,380 --> 07:01:51,380
I refresh my memory and we drove it this morning.

3321
07:01:56,900 --> 07:01:56,900
yes, ma'am. It is a private drive, and they currently do have access to access points off
Of hillcrest plaza drive.

3322
07:02:03,140 --> 07:02:03,140
if you note the site is basically a rectangle and it has complete frontage on hillcrest,
It also has complete frontage on lbj on the feeder road.

3323
07:02:10,900 --> 07:02:10,900
so half of the site has access on a public road in addition to the access on the hillcrest
Plaza drive.

3324
07:02:18,220 --> 07:02:18,220
and what's the distance from hillcrest plaza drive to the lbj frontage road?

3325
07:02:23,660 --> 07:02:23,660
it's the short side of a rectangle, so I'd have to look on our plan,
But it's the short side of the rectangle.

3326
07:02:32,630 --> 07:02:32,630
how many cars do you think could back up to turn from?

3327
07:02:36,710 --> 07:02:36,710
from hillcrest into hillcrest plaza, drive into the driveway.

3328
07:02:40,910 --> 07:02:40,910
how many cars can stack up before you're blocking lbj's service road?

3329
07:02:45,350 --> 07:02:45,350
well, that's one of the good things about this project. Councilwoman mendelsohn we are we
Are proposing the right turn lane that will be installed.

3330
07:02:53,870 --> 07:02:53,870
the permits are in, as mr. Scott mentioned in his presentation,
And we have full engineering plans and that allows a free right hand turn lane.

3331
07:03:02,590 --> 07:03:02,590
so right now, if you're sitting at the light hillcrest,
If I'm going southbound on hillcrest and I want to go into hillcrest plaza drive,

3332
07:03:11,710 --> 07:03:15,310
how many cars can stack up? I don't have that exact answer for you. Would you say it's 12 or less? I do not have that exact answer for you,
Ma'am.

3333
07:03:20,550 --> 07:03:20,550
I'm going to say it's less as a guess, but there's there is a problem.

3334
07:03:26,030 --> 07:03:26,030
there's a real problem of traffic here. There's a real problem of the traffic signal,
Which is probably older than me.

3335
07:03:34,750 --> 07:03:34,750
I mean, that's real, and I'm not hearing how that part is going to be taken care of.

3336
07:03:39,950 --> 07:03:39,950
I'm glad to hear that you guys have agreed to the turn lane on the service road.

3337
07:03:44,030 --> 07:03:44,030
that absolutely had to happen. And then there hasn't been a lot of discussion about the
Discussion about the flooding issue.

3338
07:03:51,430 --> 07:03:51,430
so that service road is closed whenever there's a big rain.

3339
07:03:56,070 --> 07:03:56,070
yes. I was actually on a call with our engineers as well as txdot,
And there were some representatives from the city as well.

3340
07:04:02,390 --> 07:04:02,390
we discussed how that would be implemented. We're working through either putting down some
Sort of gate,

3341
07:04:06,990 --> 07:04:06,990
which will allow traffic to go immediately onto the service road,
Or to cycle back through our property.

3342
07:04:12,710 --> 07:04:12,710
so it will be a marked improvement from what's there now. There is a gate,
And actually dpd is sent out when there's a big rain to block people from going.

3343
07:04:20,710 --> 07:04:24,390
people have died in that flood, that flood water. It it's a it's a major issue over there. Are you confident you could even fill that?

3344
07:04:30,360 --> 07:04:30,360
well, what I am confident of is that we have started those discussions and that we're
Looking at that.

3345
07:04:34,840 --> 07:04:34,840
and I think what will help is if we put that gate arm a little bit before that area so
People aren't actually driving down into that area with the gate arm.

3346
07:04:42,120 --> 07:04:42,120
it will allow them to go directly onto 635 or circle back through our site.

3347
07:04:50,520 --> 07:04:50,520
so you can say for just a minute, but I'm going to pause. So I'm just going to say for the
Residents, there are some really over the top comments that are just way beyond the real

3348
07:04:58,440 --> 07:05:01,040
problem here. And I'm just going to say that to you. But also on the heavy side, I think, is that's my time,
Your time for this.

3349
07:05:06,800 --> 07:05:10,040
I'm going to come back again. Chairman johnson,
Have you spoken yet on this? No, sir. You have. You're recognized for five minutes on zoning item z 15 for the public.

3350
07:05:14,600 --> 07:05:14,600
that's still tuning in. Thank you. Mayor johnson,
I want to pick up from where my colleague councilman gracey left off.

3351
07:05:25,610 --> 07:05:25,610
I've got several calls this week. Several I've heard from people.

3352
07:05:31,290 --> 07:05:31,290
that's never called me. Concerning supporting heb from my community.

3353
07:05:35,970 --> 07:05:35,970
I didn't get this kind of phone call when I was fighting for south oak cliff high school
Kids. So it was amazing to hear from some from some of them.

3354
07:05:44,770 --> 07:05:44,770
former elected officials way prior to me, have been asking for heb in the southern part of
Dallas,

3355
07:05:52,330 --> 07:05:52,330
but we've been told no, heb does not want to come to southern chad.

3356
07:05:58,850 --> 07:05:58,850
is is councilman west end he's all. Okay, we'll look for him for you.

3357
07:06:05,410 --> 07:06:05,410
this has been a concern. Even councilman west has been asking for heb for years,
And it's not happened.

3358
07:06:16,290 --> 07:06:20,010
this is a problem for me. It's a problem for my community. As I spoke with you, mr. Ben, in the office. You have every right to place your store
Where you desire to place it.

3359
07:06:29,090 --> 07:06:29,090
but if you don't want to be in southern sector,
We respect that.

3360
07:06:33,650 --> 07:06:33,650
I understand that there's a job that's there,
But we're asking and have asked for heb.

3361
07:06:40,770 --> 07:06:40,770
as you stated, central market has been in dallas,
I think early 2000.

3362
07:06:46,290 --> 07:06:46,290
I shop at central market. I've done done a lot of community work in that area for for our
Kids and in other areas

3363
07:06:56,010 --> 07:06:56,010
in central market has supported. I'm grateful that you guys give back to the community.

3364
07:07:01,770 --> 07:07:01,770
I'm grateful that you give and you help and etcetera.

3365
07:07:05,810 --> 07:07:05,810
but as councilman gracey said, it appears that we are more of a charity case,
Not a a capable consumer.

3366
07:07:14,770 --> 07:07:14,770
that is challenging to me. Councilman west, I want you to speak for yourself.

3367
07:07:19,410 --> 07:07:19,410
how long have you been wanting a store? Heb in the southern part of dallas where you serve
As well.

3368
07:07:25,900 --> 07:07:29,100
is it okay if I respond? If you would like. All right. Thank you, mayor. I appreciate the question. You know,
I think we, my residents, have been asking for a grocery stores of all types for a long

3369
07:07:37,020 --> 07:07:40,780
time. That is literally the number one thing. District one residents ask for public safety and grocery stores.

3370
07:07:45,100 --> 07:07:45,100
and I know heb does own a lot in my district just south of the lake cliff neighborhood.

3371
07:07:53,340 --> 07:07:53,340
and I'm very hopeful they'll activate that lot sometime in the near future,
Because we've been we have been talking about it for going on six years.

3372
07:08:02,500 --> 07:08:02,500
thank you. We're not asking for bike lanes. We're more than just I want we want real
Partnership.

3373
07:08:09,780 --> 07:08:09,780
we appreciate the gift when you come and help us with events or support.

3374
07:08:16,700 --> 07:08:20,190
but that's not what partnership looks like in my community. When I've had a meeting concerning this heb conversation.

3375
07:08:25,510 --> 07:08:25,510
a lot of people in my community was concerned that why they have not come to the southern
Sector.

3376
07:08:31,550 --> 07:08:31,550
and the first thing I asked you, when you talk to me,
I said, why not start in the southern sector?

3377
07:08:37,830 --> 07:08:37,830
we can afford it. We want you from as. As our council member said,
I've heard from other communities that say,

3378
07:08:46,710 --> 07:08:46,710
hey, we don't want this right now. The southern sector have been asking for you to come in
The black community. We've been asking for you to come, but you refused to come.

3379
07:08:54,430 --> 07:08:54,430
that is your right. Whether you feel we cannot afford it economically or you don't think
It's economically savvy for you.

3380
07:09:02,430 --> 07:09:02,430
but we're saying that we can do this. And for me to have to talk to other council members
That have been asking for years

3381
07:09:12,670 --> 07:09:12,670
seem like begging. Councilman gracey, as he stated,
Went to houston, drove back, and the only thing that that I've been told is the best that

3382
07:09:22,110 --> 07:09:22,110
we can get, the best that we can get is the jobs.

3383
07:09:28,870 --> 07:09:28,870
I was told, don't push too hard. I got phone calls.

3384
07:09:33,950 --> 07:09:33,950
don't push too hard. You don't want to seem like you don't want to support them because
They may not come.

3385
07:09:40,110 --> 07:09:43,710
big mama said you never miss what you never had. So as we had this conversation, I believe in equity.

3386
07:09:50,030 --> 07:09:50,030
my community is a little frustrated because we've been treated unfairly.

3387
07:09:56,270 --> 07:09:56,270
we do have a food desert. I was listening to one of the speakers say,
This is important because it's in other words,

3388
07:10:01,430 --> 07:10:01,430
there's a food desert over there. We've been saying the same thing.

3389
07:10:05,990 --> 07:10:05,990
there's a food desert, and we want real partnership,
Not just handouts, a hand up.

3390
07:10:13,390 --> 07:10:13,390
thank you. Miss cadena, you recognized for five minutes.

3391
07:10:21,440 --> 07:10:24,920
thank you, mr. Mayor. I will not be able to support the motion. I want to thank everyone who provided input in the zoning case,
And took the time to come to city hall to voice their opinion.

3392
07:10:31,320 --> 07:10:31,320
I know that's not easy, and I want to thank h-e-b also for listening to the residents and
Offering deed restriction and improvements to the area.

3393
07:10:40,520 --> 07:10:40,520
the first time I shopped at heb was when I visited my best friend in south texas.

3394
07:10:44,720 --> 07:10:44,720
my friend was always envious that dallas seemed to have everything,
But I was envious that the valley had something that dallas didn't have an heb.

3395
07:10:53,600 --> 07:10:53,600
later, as a baylor student, I was able to enjoy shopping at heb in waco,
Texas.

3396
07:10:58,400 --> 07:10:58,400
we had heb and heb plus. Now those are really nice.

3397
07:11:03,400 --> 07:11:03,400
while a student, I learned that heb is a thoughtful,
Community oriented partner.

3398
07:11:08,160 --> 07:11:08,160
they were located in every area of waco the north,
The south, the east and the west.

3399
07:11:14,650 --> 07:11:18,170
and they took great care in providing constituents with excellent service. And they wanted their customers to have a great experience.

3400
07:11:22,010 --> 07:11:22,010
they invest not only by giving back to the community,
But also in economic opportunities for small,

3401
07:11:27,090 --> 07:11:27,090
local businesses. My opinion of heb is formed by my own personal experiences throughout
The years,

3402
07:11:33,210 --> 07:11:37,210
and I would be glad to extend an invitation to come to district six next. District six is a growing and thriving community and we would love to have an heb.

3403
07:11:42,930 --> 07:11:42,930
thank you, mr. Mayor. Chairwoman stewart, you're recognized for five minutes.

3404
07:11:48,770 --> 07:11:51,170
thank you, mr. Mayor. This. I will be very brief. I think we need to look at this as this is the first heb to come to dallas.

3405
07:11:55,650 --> 07:11:55,650
this is the first one. You all, from my perspective,
Are just getting started.

3406
07:12:01,010 --> 07:12:01,010
and I think there are many districts around this horseshoe,
Obviously, who are ready for you to come to them.

3407
07:12:06,330 --> 07:12:06,330
and I am encouraging you to have those serious conversations about the communities that
Need that have the food deserts.

3408
07:12:13,700 --> 07:12:13,700
I would love for you to come to ten, but we can get to the one you're currently looking
At.

3409
07:12:19,380 --> 07:12:19,380
we'll be fine. But I think there are a number of other places in the city who who do need
A grocery store,

3410
07:12:28,020 --> 07:12:31,220
period. And h-e-b would be a great option for that. So I would like to encourage that. But this is the first one out of the box.

3411
07:12:35,700 --> 07:12:35,700
and we I want to be supportive of them. I know they're a good company.

3412
07:12:41,380 --> 07:12:41,380
we've heard so many good things about them. I'm especially appreciative to the neighbors
Who are willing to work with them and come up with some compromises so that it can be a

3413
07:12:51,060 --> 07:12:51,060
workable situation. And my hope is that as we go forward,
There will be additional conversations.

3414
07:12:57,660 --> 07:12:57,660
and those of you who are have have your concerns about traffic,
Can have your concerns listened to and hopefully addressed.

3415
07:13:05,780 --> 07:13:05,780
I will also caution you. Yes, the, the flooding issue just east of there at park central
Is real.

3416
07:13:11,900 --> 07:13:11,900
we have lost people there. I don't know that that's a problem to solve.

3417
07:13:17,060 --> 07:13:17,060
I have a feeling that's more of a txdot and city problem to solve and perhaps dwu,
So we need to work on that.

3418
07:13:25,620 --> 07:13:25,620
and in the meantime councilmember roth, I am regretful to tell you that I won't be able to
Support your motion.

3419
07:13:32,940 --> 07:13:32,940
I do want to see the first one get going. And I think this location is a good spot.

3420
07:13:37,740 --> 07:13:37,740
thank you, mr. Mayor. Mr. Resendez resendez for five minutes.

3421
07:13:43,020 --> 07:13:43,020
go ahead and add to the chorus of similar statements.

3422
07:13:47,220 --> 07:13:47,220
I won't be supporting this motion either. I hear the neighbor's concerns.

3423
07:13:51,580 --> 07:13:51,580
truly. But speaking as someone who grew up not far from areas that had no grocery stores
At all,

3424
07:13:57,420 --> 07:13:57,420
places like highland hills and greeley, or areas like pleasant grove that don't have
Grocery stores.

3425
07:14:02,980 --> 07:14:02,980
at the level of quality of an heb, I can tell you that convenience stores are often the
Main option for people in those neighborhoods.

3426
07:14:10,310 --> 07:14:10,310
traffic is a very different kind of inconvenience in many of our communities.

3427
07:14:14,790 --> 07:14:14,790
parents spend half a day piecing together food options and not always healthy ones.

3428
07:14:20,110 --> 07:14:23,070
approving this store isn't just about north dallas. It helps shape the environment for how we attract grocery investment citywide,
Including in communities that have been left out for decades.

3429
07:14:30,030 --> 07:14:30,030
companies look at how a city responds to their first investment when deciding whether to
Expand into harder to serve areas.

3430
07:14:35,910 --> 07:14:39,150
this is an opportunity to think bigger than one intersection. And as council members, gracey and johnson stated,
There's a misconception that southern dallas can't sustain a store like heb.

3431
07:14:45,350 --> 07:14:45,350
that's simply not true. The spending power in our neighborhoods is real.

3432
07:14:49,550 --> 07:14:49,550
families already drive long distances and spend those dollars elsewhere.

3433
07:14:54,190 --> 07:14:57,030
a quality grocery store in our communities can thrive. So to heb, if you truly want to be a partner to this city,
I encourage you to look closely at our food deserts and the areas that do not have quality

3434
07:15:04,160 --> 07:15:07,280
grocery stores and invest where the need is greatest. Many parts of north dallas already have options.

3435
07:15:09,560 --> 07:15:12,880
many parts of southern dallas have been overlooked for generations. This first store is an important first step,
But it shouldn't be the last.

3436
07:15:16,640 --> 07:15:16,640
we want you in dallas, and we especially want you in communities that have been asking for
Something like this the longest. Thank you. If I don't see anyone else who hasn't spoken

3437
07:15:26,240 --> 07:15:30,160
yet, I'm going back to chairwoman mendelsohn for three minutes. Seeing none one three minutes. Chairwoman mendelsohn,
You recognized. So I don't need you to come up, suzanne. But I do want to say thank you

3438
07:15:35,840 --> 07:15:35,840
for reading off the list of concessions. It's a long and impressive list.

3439
07:15:39,920 --> 07:15:39,920
so you clearly have heard the neighborhood and made those concessions.

3440
07:15:44,360 --> 07:15:44,360
I do wish you had made them earlier, because I think there have been a lot less
Opposition,

3441
07:15:49,560 --> 07:15:49,560
and I do think this entire room would have been filled had that not happened,
But this maybe could have been handled a little bit differently.

3442
07:15:58,520 --> 07:16:01,960
I'm not worried about the parking and traffic for your customers. The truth is, the market will take care of it. If it is too much of a pain to drive there
And park people aren't coming.

3443
07:16:07,840 --> 07:16:07,840
and frankly, your own central market store is just around the corner,
As is other.

3444
07:16:13,680 --> 07:16:13,680
there's lots of other places to go, so I'm not worried about that.

3445
07:16:18,720 --> 07:16:18,720
I am worried about the traffic for the people who aren't your customers because they have
No other choice.

3446
07:16:24,320 --> 07:16:24,320
and the north south roads, meaning hillcrest,
Are so essential for getting everywhere.

3447
07:16:30,040 --> 07:16:33,600
we had someone from park forest come speak. Yeah,
Park forest. Forest is going to use forest lane to get out.

3448
07:16:36,200 --> 07:16:36,200
they are not stuck using hillcrest. And when you are stuck using hillcrest,
You are at the mercy of this development.

3449
07:16:42,800 --> 07:16:42,800
and I understand that. So I love that you're putting in a new light.

3450
07:16:47,200 --> 07:16:47,200
I hope the city will strongly enforce the need for access on this private drive.

3451
07:16:53,320 --> 07:16:55,720
if not, your project's going to fail. It is not. It's going to underperform. And not only will the neighbors be mad,
But your customers will be mad.

3452
07:17:00,650 --> 07:17:00,650
so that is very, very essential. I do have a and I'm just going to say everyone's talking
About they want h-e-b.

3453
07:17:06,970 --> 07:17:06,970
and while of course everyone would love an h-e-b,
We would love a jovi's in district 12.

3454
07:17:12,410 --> 07:17:12,410
and I'm not kidding, it's a great store and we would like that value pricing of your same
Exact products.

3455
07:17:19,650 --> 07:17:19,650
to me it's it's basically costco, so please feel free to bring a jovi's to north dallas.

3456
07:17:25,050 --> 07:17:25,050
and I'm not kidding. And I'll show you where. So the next one is I have a procedural
Question,

3457
07:17:30,290 --> 07:17:30,290
which is, can you tell me, is there a supermajority needed for a denial?

3458
07:17:36,330 --> 07:17:36,330
or that's a simple majority and it's only a supermajority for approval.

3459
07:17:40,610 --> 07:17:40,610
is that right? So you can stop your time will consider a parliamentary inquiry and we'll
Let the parliamentarian and I was wondering the same thing if the if the original motion

3460
07:17:48,370 --> 07:17:48,370
was one to deny, if it's still a same threshold as it is to approve.

3461
07:17:52,450 --> 07:17:52,450
but go ahead. Thank you, mayor, for the motion on the floor.

3462
07:17:57,290 --> 07:17:57,290
motion to deny is a simple, simple majority. Okay.

3463
07:18:04,420 --> 07:18:08,180
so I'm just going to say I'm not going to deny heb. And there's a lot of different reasons. Our city council does not want the headline of we
Denied heb,

3464
07:18:15,820 --> 07:18:15,820
and that's just a fact. And while I think it's been a difficult process for the residents,

3465
07:18:21,900 --> 07:18:21,900
probably needlessly I do think that they have come around and they've offered a lot of
Concessions.

3466
07:18:29,540 --> 07:18:29,540
I still think this should have been a pd. I don't know if you're going to have any other
Motions coming forward.

3467
07:18:34,500 --> 07:18:34,500
I hope you will. But I'm not going to vote to deny.

3468
07:18:39,740 --> 07:18:39,740
so I do understand the issues. I could be one of the residents down here complaining about
It as well.

3469
07:18:47,100 --> 07:18:47,100
but this is this is okay to not for it's okay to vote to deny.

3470
07:18:51,900 --> 07:18:51,900
I'm sorry. But it's also okay to approve. It is your time.

3471
07:18:57,620 --> 07:19:00,980
chairman gracey recognized for three minutes. Okay. Thank you. In my passion, I got a little excited,
And I failed to mention that I do to support the joves.

3472
07:19:08,700 --> 07:19:08,700
I go there. Unfortunately, I have to go to about three different grocery stores in three
Different cities to get my grocery list there grand prairie,

3473
07:19:17,900 --> 07:19:17,900
duncanville and dallas. But the joves I do want to speak to that,
Because when I went there,

3474
07:19:22,700 --> 07:19:26,060
the thing I do appreciate about joves is the culture. Many of those employees have worked there, and they started as,
As baggers and things like that,

3475
07:19:32,660 --> 07:19:32,660
and they worked themselves all the way up to management,
And they've had sustaining careers there.

3476
07:19:37,140 --> 07:19:37,140
so the jobs that they bring 100% spot on. I think the other one that I was impressed about
Was meat cutting.

3477
07:19:44,180 --> 07:19:44,180
I think it was at like 40 something dollars an hour or something,
Some I don't want to put it out there, but I think that is something somewhere around

3478
07:19:49,500 --> 07:19:51,780
there. So they have these jobs and all of that. And again, I go to jobs for their produce and the bundle box.

3479
07:19:56,270 --> 07:19:56,270
shout out to the bundle box. If you don't know,
Look it up.

3480
07:20:00,590 --> 07:20:00,590
but so so I am very appreciative. I don't I don't want you all to miss understand my
Passion and what I'm asking.

3481
07:20:09,270 --> 07:20:09,270
and that ask is, as many of us have said, the frustration is many of the grocery stores,
Not just heb,

3482
07:20:17,270 --> 07:20:17,270
but many of them seem to think that we can't afford those things.

3483
07:20:21,550 --> 07:20:21,550
or and I think I was reading an article, it said,
You know, high end central market discount oriented jobs.

3484
07:20:29,470 --> 07:20:29,470
these are the that's the language that's being used in some of these in the newspapers and
Things like that.

3485
07:20:34,550 --> 07:20:34,550
so that sends a message. And again, I've been on this kick about the tone and the tone
That we put around this horseshoe and all of that.

3486
07:20:42,630 --> 07:20:42,630
this is a dallas thing. Welcome to dallas. I'm happy to have you here.

3487
07:20:46,710 --> 07:20:46,710
I'm also saying in southern dallas we can afford an heb,
Many of the folks that I know drive wherever they can go and find either an h-e-b or a

3488
07:20:56,400 --> 07:20:56,400
reasonable grocery store because of the risk we have to take with some of the options that
Are there.

3489
07:21:01,720 --> 07:21:04,920
so people will drive to do it. They'd rather not. And if you actually bring one, we can save some gas money and actually buy more. But my
Point is this is something that,

3490
07:21:10,640 --> 07:21:10,640
again, I want you all to hear in what we're saying is we're appreciative of all that you
Do.

3491
07:21:17,040 --> 07:21:17,040
but strongly, seriously, consider having an h-e-b in southern dallas county.

3492
07:21:22,760 --> 07:21:22,760
and I'm not just talking about three, or it could be four,
Eight, seven, whatever.

3493
07:21:27,480 --> 07:21:27,480
but consider it seriously because many a times our our,
Our residents, we get our hopes up and we're consistently being let down by grocery

3494
07:21:36,600 --> 07:21:36,600
stores. Now, with that said, I, you know, I'm not going to say it,
But I've already told you how I feel about all grocery stores.

3495
07:21:44,000 --> 07:21:47,200
there. But maybe some trauma from my childhood. But either way, just thank you all for what you do.

3496
07:21:49,600 --> 07:21:49,600
but please hear me in my passion and understand that I'm representing my constituents.

3497
07:21:53,970 --> 07:21:57,490
and that's the message that you're sending unintentionally. Thank you. Mayor pro tem recognized for three minutes.

3498
07:22:00,370 --> 07:22:00,370
thank you. Mayor. My colleagues around this horseshoe know that I'm a neighborhood guy.

3499
07:22:05,490 --> 07:22:05,490
I listen to the residents and try to bring balance.

3500
07:22:10,930 --> 07:22:13,530
I believe the traffic concerns have been addressed. Still have some work to do on flood gates. Deed restrictions are in place to keep
Neighborhoods safe.

3501
07:22:19,490 --> 07:22:19,490
the other cap I have to wear is my economic development chair.

3502
07:22:24,850 --> 07:22:24,850
our priorities are to strengthen our economy,
To attract and retain new businesses.

3503
07:22:30,370 --> 07:22:30,370
and this is just what it's doing. It's bringing hundreds of affordable jobs,
High quality foods,

3504
07:22:37,210 --> 07:22:37,210
and very importantly to me as a small business,
Is bringing entrepreneurs through the doors and onto shelves.

3505
07:22:43,970 --> 07:22:43,970
it's getting access to our small businesses here in our city,
An opportunity to grow.

3506
07:22:55,330 --> 07:22:55,330
and we're doing all of that without incentives,
Without asking for the city of dallas to provide resources.

3507
07:23:05,170 --> 07:23:05,170
and for those reasons, again, I will not be able to support the motion that's before us.

3508
07:23:11,290 --> 07:23:11,290
thank you. Mayor. Is there anyone else would like to speak on for or against the motion to
Deny without prejudice by mr.

3509
07:23:21,130 --> 07:23:21,130
roth, item c 15. Seeing none. All in favor, say aye.

3510
07:23:28,370 --> 07:23:28,370
any opposed? All right. Well, that was weird.

3511
07:23:33,090 --> 07:23:33,090
yeah. They were there any. Okay. We had an I the.

3512
07:23:39,650 --> 07:23:39,650
yeah. Okay. And then nay. The ayes have it. So the motion to deny without prejudice fails.

3513
07:23:48,660 --> 07:23:48,660
I'll now entertain another motion on z15. May I make a motion,
Please?

3514
07:23:53,860 --> 07:23:57,860
I heard a motion to approve, but let me. Let me consult with the parliamentarian really
Quickly. Hold on. I.

3515
07:24:09,780 --> 07:24:09,780
can't believe it. But I have to say my piece.

3516
07:24:17,420 --> 07:24:17,420
yes. Mr. Roth, you recognized for a motion. I'd like to move to approve the item.

3517
07:24:24,300 --> 07:24:27,140
as recommended by the city planning commission. Subject to the additional deed restrictions which the applicant has submitted.

3518
07:24:33,980 --> 07:24:33,980
and the deed restrictions that relate to the private deed restrictions also that they've
Submitted.

3519
07:24:44,750 --> 07:24:44,750
second. Sorry. Okay, so it's been moved and seconded.

3520
07:24:48,830 --> 07:24:52,710
mr. Roth, you have five minutes to explain your your motion. Thank you. I want to thank my colleagues for their robust discussion on this.

3521
07:24:59,710 --> 07:24:59,710
I think it's obvious that there is absolutely a,
An interest in, in having heavy in our community

3522
07:25:09,670 --> 07:25:09,670
and that I think they've there's been a very sound and,
And vociferous explanation of the need

3523
07:25:19,550 --> 07:25:19,550
for heavy to consider the whole community as well as be considerate and thoughtful in
Their development plans anywhere in this community.

3524
07:25:30,270 --> 07:25:30,270
to the credit of hcb, the there's been some robust discussions with the with the
Neighborhood.

3525
07:25:36,870 --> 07:25:36,870
there's been some identification and some discussions which are reflected in the deed
Restrictions being offered to try to mitigate some of these issues.

3526
07:25:47,310 --> 07:25:47,310
I was hoping that we would be able to continue those discussions,
But seeing the the feelings of our of my colleagues,

3527
07:25:56,110 --> 07:25:56,110
I feel like this is an opportunity to go ahead and move for approval with the assignment
And with the identification

3528
07:26:06,070 --> 07:26:06,070
and the recognition of those deed restrictions that you've offered.

3529
07:26:13,350 --> 07:26:13,350
we need to be concerned about the traffic in this community,
And, and and the community is not just this

3530
07:26:22,510 --> 07:26:22,510
intersection, but it is the whole community of dallas.

3531
07:26:27,590 --> 07:26:31,430
we're getting a lot of traffic. And this is something we have to deal with. And the the stores like yours, which are tremendous retailers,
Tremendous assets to the community,

3532
07:26:39,880 --> 07:26:43,280
tremendous economic development opportunities here. Need to help us in a responsible way to manage those issues,
And to help be creative and thoughtful in

3533
07:26:52,880 --> 07:26:52,880
participating in in addressing these. This is real important for the growth and the
Development of our community,

3534
07:27:01,600 --> 07:27:01,600
of our city, of our tax base, but also for the longevity and the support and the branding
And the recognition

3535
07:27:11,520 --> 07:27:11,520
of those stores and those community players that understand the issues and are willing to
Help us out in a productive way.

3536
07:27:20,720 --> 07:27:24,160
and when I say us, I'm talking about the city. I'm talking about the people that are absolutely impacted by these things,
Which are the neighbors,

3537
07:27:29,720 --> 07:27:29,720
the homeowners directly in the path of of the development,
Your development and anybody else's.

3538
07:27:35,760 --> 07:27:39,090
and it also deals with the, the building owners. The office building owners. The industrial owners.

3539
07:27:42,010 --> 07:27:42,010
the. The institutional. The religious, the other governmental institutes that that can't
Come out and don't want to or aren't

3540
07:27:52,010 --> 07:27:52,010
able to come and express their impact. Adverse impact that any great successful operation
Imposes

3541
07:28:02,010 --> 07:28:02,010
on them. So I would absolutely encourage you to continue your discussions with the with
The neighborhood,

3542
07:28:09,770 --> 07:28:09,770
continue your discussions with the city and the and the staff to try to see if there's
Some additional mitigation situations,

3543
07:28:18,730 --> 07:28:18,730
if this if this motion does pass. And so again I thank you for coming here.

3544
07:28:25,250 --> 07:28:25,250
I thank you for for the work you've done. Most importantly,
I thank my neighbors and I thank the people in my district.

3545
07:28:33,210 --> 07:28:33,210
I'm so proud of you all on how you've come out,
How you've organized, how you've made the statement which reflects not just our

3546
07:28:42,410 --> 07:28:42,410
neighborhood in district 11, but you reflect the,
The, the community of dallas and their interests and their needs and

3547
07:28:52,130 --> 07:28:52,130
their and the importance of this issue citywide.

3548
07:28:56,490 --> 07:28:58,690
and I thank you for bringing it to the table. I thank you for advocating for it. And I thank you for for being so thoughtful,
Respectful and and intelligent in your

3549
07:29:08,650 --> 07:29:08,650
in your approach and your wisdom in identifying these issues for us all.

3550
07:29:15,370 --> 07:29:15,370
and that goes to both the people in favor as well as the people that were opposed.

3551
07:29:20,530 --> 07:29:20,530
thank you. Before we continue, I want to make sure the city attorney,
Before we go too far down the road here,

3552
07:29:27,450 --> 07:29:27,450
we just need to clarify. The motion was made with a little bit of loosey goosey,
To be honest with you.

3553
07:29:33,210 --> 07:29:33,210
so we're just going to tighten that up a little bit before we get too far down the road.

3554
07:29:37,860 --> 07:29:41,540
so I'm gonna let the city attorney do that. Thank you. Mayor. So the the motion was to approve the item as recommended by the city planning
Commission,

3555
07:29:48,140 --> 07:29:48,140
subject to the revised deed restrictions, not private deed restrictions.

3556
07:29:53,380 --> 07:29:53,380
and those restrictions and the ones offered at the horseshoe are volunteered deed
Restrictions.

3557
07:29:59,620 --> 07:29:59,620
I'm sorry. And that was my mistake. If you'll allow me to correct it to.

3558
07:30:04,540 --> 07:30:07,780
I think we just did to reflect. We just we just did that. Thank you. Thank you. Deputy mayor pro tem recognized for five minutes.

3559
07:30:12,540 --> 07:30:12,540
thank you. And thank you for everyone who's come down to speak today and who's engaged in
This process.

3560
07:30:18,940 --> 07:30:22,900
I know it's not always fun to sit here at city hall,
But it means a lot to have you here. And I also want to thank everyone who reached out about the case via email or phone calls
Or at the the meetings,

3561
07:30:30,060 --> 07:30:30,060
because the concerns that you raised in opposition to this really helped me frame the
Points of discussion that I've had along the way with

3562
07:30:39,790 --> 07:30:43,590
heb and those involved in helping with this case. And so I know it may not be 100% of the way there yet,
But I'm satisfied that the issues that have been raised by the neighbors have been

3563
07:30:51,950 --> 07:30:51,950
addressed. And thank you, mr. Roth, for working on this,
Even down to the last minute here.

3564
07:30:57,870 --> 07:30:57,870
I think one of the most meaningful steps heb has taken to show us is filing that permit to
Begin that work on that right turn lane on hillcrest,

3565
07:31:06,790 --> 07:31:06,790
because some of the discussions I've had, what I've observed,
A lot of it is related back to just having that flow begin.

3566
07:31:13,590 --> 07:31:13,590
and the fact that that may be completed before this store is even constructed is such a
Gesture that is meaningful to not just those who live around there,

3567
07:31:21,950 --> 07:31:21,950
but anyone in that area. I frequent that area as well,
So that will start benefiting the neighbors.

3568
07:31:27,950 --> 07:31:31,200
just as soon as it's completed. So thank you for that. I heard a lot of concerns around traffic, and that and other specifics will be addressed
As the permitting process gets underway.

3569
07:31:38,560 --> 07:31:41,680
so your voice does not need to go away at this point. I mean, there's still going to be points of entry where those things can be considered,
But heb knows this well.

3570
07:31:48,680 --> 07:31:51,160
I mean, they are real estate and construction experts. They do this all over the state of texas. And this is not even the first store of this
Size.

3571
07:31:56,600 --> 07:31:56,600
I know this seems small, but they've got a similar sized model that's already been
Successful and it's open and operating in houston.

3572
07:32:04,880 --> 07:32:04,880
so I, I want to emphasize that I hope this heb will be the first of several in dallas
Proper,

3573
07:32:11,920 --> 07:32:11,920
and that's including areas that are in genuine need of high quality grocery options.

3574
07:32:17,760 --> 07:32:17,760
today, the city council has an opportunity to send a message not just to heb,
But to business in general,

3575
07:32:24,680 --> 07:32:24,680
to the point that chair moreno made. This is about sending a message on economic
Development in dallas and how serious we are about it.

3576
07:32:33,200 --> 07:32:33,200
you've already demonstrated your philanthropy in dallas through h-e-b,
Central market, other brands.

3577
07:32:39,160 --> 07:32:39,160
and while this isn't a consideration at the plan commission,
It is allowable at this level.

3578
07:32:44,600 --> 07:32:44,600
and some of the examples we've heard today that I did not know about are really,
You know,

3579
07:32:48,880 --> 07:32:48,880
really floor me. And it's not about emotional manipulation to have nonprofits here.

3580
07:32:53,720 --> 07:32:53,720
I mean, to me, it's about showing how you answer the call,
Whether anyone asks you to or not.

3581
07:32:59,080 --> 07:32:59,080
and that's that benefits our community and makes us stronger.

3582
07:33:03,400 --> 07:33:06,840
so but access to food should not be a privilege. And I welcome partners who will hear what's been said today.

3583
07:33:12,120 --> 07:33:12,120
I think that we, as a council, need to look at the economics of your business.

3584
07:33:16,680 --> 07:33:16,680
it's low margin, high volume. We need to look at where we need density in certain areas.

3585
07:33:21,760 --> 07:33:21,760
that will help you get to the numbers you need and the dollars you need to make this make
Business sense for you as much as it makes quality of life sense for our residents?

3586
07:33:30,810 --> 07:33:30,810
so I welcome those who want to invest in dallas thoughtfully and responsibly,
And I'll be supporting this motion.

3587
07:33:38,970 --> 07:33:38,970
is there anyone else like to speak on for or against? Z15 the second motion we had here
Today.

3588
07:33:45,370 --> 07:33:45,370
seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed?

3589
07:33:49,730 --> 07:33:49,730
nay. You want to do a record just to have it?

3590
07:33:54,050 --> 07:33:57,130
no. We're good. Okay. Sounds like it was 14 one. Okay. Thank you, mr. Mayor. We'll now move to back to zoning.

3591
07:34:02,130 --> 07:34:02,130
item 11. Item z11, item z11 z11 is a public hearing and an ordinance granting the renewal
Of specific use permit number

3592
07:34:11,490 --> 07:34:11,490
2387 for an alcoholic beverage beverage establishment limited to a private club bar and a
Commercial amusement inside.

3593
07:34:20,410 --> 07:34:20,410
limited to an amusement center on property on the north line of west davis street,
East of north tyler street.

3594
07:34:29,100 --> 07:34:29,100
mr. Mayor, we sent 13 notices to property owners within 200ft of the area of request.

3595
07:34:34,820 --> 07:34:34,820
we received one reply in favor and one reply in opposition to the request.

3596
07:34:39,460 --> 07:34:39,460
there are no registered speakers for this item. Are there any individuals in the audience
That would like to address the city council on item c-11?

3597
07:34:49,260 --> 07:34:49,260
no speakers, mr. Mayor. No speakers. Mr. Mayor,
Item c-11 is there a motion on the item?

3598
07:34:58,620 --> 07:34:58,620
I have a motion. I move to approve the zoning changes recommended by staff.

3599
07:35:02,780 --> 07:35:06,340
it's. There's a motion and a second. Any discussion? Any discussion. Anyone? Seeing. None. All in favor,
Say aye.

3600
07:35:10,540 --> 07:35:10,540
any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Your next item is z14.

3601
07:35:17,220 --> 07:35:17,220
item z14 is a public hearing regarding an application for the renewal and amendment to
Specific use.

3602
07:35:24,540 --> 07:35:24,540
specific use permit number 2078 for an industrial outside.

3603
07:35:29,740 --> 07:35:29,740
potentially incompatible use, limited to concrete or asphalt crushing,
And to add concrete or asphalt batching on property along the east line of lunar

3604
07:35:39,700 --> 07:35:39,700
road north of ryan road, mr. Mayor, we sent ten notices to property owners within 500ft of
The area of request.

3605
07:35:47,660 --> 07:35:51,540
we received one reply in favor and zero replies in opposition. Due to a city planning commission recommendation of denial,
This item requires a three quarters vote to pass.

3606
07:35:58,980 --> 07:35:58,980
you do have one individual who has signed up to speak on this item ronnie mestas.

3607
07:36:04,740 --> 07:36:04,740
ronnie mestas is not present. Are there any other individuals in the audience I see?

3608
07:36:10,940 --> 07:36:10,940
one, two. Okay, you may come forward. The first speaker may come forward.

3609
07:36:20,030 --> 07:36:20,030
okay, I'll take mine too. Please state your name and.

3610
07:36:28,590 --> 07:36:31,230
please state your name and you may begin. Address. And you may begin. Yes. Mr. Mayor, members of council.

3611
07:36:34,310 --> 07:36:34,310
santos martinez, 2489 camino loop, northeast rio rancho,
New mexico.

3612
07:36:38,950 --> 07:36:38,950
87144. We have a handout being passed out. We would respectfully request there are some
Elements going on with the agreement with the city

3613
07:36:49,230 --> 07:36:49,230
attorney's office with the property going into receivership,
That we would like to hold the case for 30 days to final out that agreement to bring

3614
07:36:59,150 --> 07:36:59,150
you perspective of where this property is located. Your first sheet shows where the
Property is located on luna road.

3615
07:37:04,950 --> 07:37:04,950
it also shows the properties around us that have permanent stops to batch concrete to
Batch cement or crushed concrete,

3616
07:37:11,910 --> 07:37:11,910
40 year sup's to crush concrete, 35 years to batch cement,
Ten years to crush concrete or batch cement.

3617
07:37:20,720 --> 07:37:20,720
you have other properties around us that also have long term sub and page two.

3618
07:37:28,440 --> 07:37:28,440
there are two properties that have zero sub and their certificate of occupancy do not
Match the allowance to either batch cement or crushed concrete,

3619
07:37:37,360 --> 07:37:37,360
which is defined in the code as industrial outside,
Potentially incompatible.

3620
07:37:42,360 --> 07:37:42,360
their ceos say industrial outside. And in fact,
If you look at one of them, they never passed inspections to get a final co.

3621
07:37:49,640 --> 07:37:49,640
and then lastly on page three, there's been conversations about proximity to residential.

3622
07:37:54,640 --> 07:37:54,640
there's no residential on the east side of the golf course that is within dallas.

3623
07:37:58,840 --> 07:37:58,840
but I'd like to point out on the west side of the golf course in the city of irving,
You've got 2800 apartment units at a vacancy rate of 7%.

3624
07:38:08,800 --> 07:38:08,800
you have five single family subdivisions as well with very low vacancy rates,
According to city of irving's websites that there is

3625
07:38:18,560 --> 07:38:18,560
no potential conflict with residential uses in this part of the city,
Even though it abuts another metropolitan area.

3626
07:38:27,680 --> 07:38:27,680
we would respectfully request a 30 day deferral to make these final arrangements.

3627
07:38:33,880 --> 07:38:33,880
if that is not something that can be supportive,
We would like to refile the case without prejudice under the new management organizations.

3628
07:38:42,880 --> 07:38:42,880
that we're in, in conversations with stand for any questions you may have.

3629
07:38:47,680 --> 07:38:47,680
we also have another speaker that can probably go into more detail on that.

3630
07:38:52,640 --> 07:38:52,640
thank you. Thank you. Next speaker. Dennis holmgren,
Three two, three alcalde street, dallas,

3631
07:39:01,920 --> 07:39:01,920
texas, 75246. I am counsel to the applicant. What we have here in terms of this
Application,

3632
07:39:11,040 --> 07:39:11,040
if the standards are properly applied and that's looking at the land use,
The effect on land use and just the land use elements.

3633
07:39:18,290 --> 07:39:18,290
what you have here is a permit renewal that cpc denied over staff recommendation to
Approve with no opposition.

3634
07:39:28,290 --> 07:39:31,770
there is absolutely no justification to deny that application. Right now the weirs have been shut down or the applicant has been shut down by the city of
Dallas on an injunction.

3635
07:39:38,730 --> 07:39:38,730
understand that what they were shut down for,
The neighbors are doing right now.

3636
07:39:42,810 --> 07:39:42,810
cowtown is operating a either batching or crushing plant with an expired suv.

3637
07:39:48,930 --> 07:39:48,930
two other people in near proximity are operating batching plants with no suv having been
Obtained.

3638
07:39:55,170 --> 07:39:55,170
period. So where we're at right now, the code violation allegations are namely differences
Of opinion over which section of code applies.

3639
07:40:04,930 --> 07:40:04,930
if the section of code or the code year that applies under the under the applicant's
Vested rights is applied.

3640
07:40:11,810 --> 07:40:11,810
everything that they did out there for the most part,
Is compliant.

3641
07:40:15,900 --> 07:40:15,900
as a result, we would urge that the city that the council overturn cpc's recommendation of
Denial and approve the application.

3642
07:40:22,820 --> 07:40:22,820
alternatively, we would ask that the council hold this application for between 30 and 60
Days.

3643
07:40:28,900 --> 07:40:28,900
we understand that the city has some concerns about the current operator of the property.

3644
07:40:33,180 --> 07:40:33,180
now, whether or not those concerns exist, those aren't objective concerns to consider.

3645
07:40:38,060 --> 07:40:38,060
the concerns to consider are land use. There has been no final judgment against any of the
Operators of this property with respect to anything that would be relevant to whether or

3646
07:40:48,020 --> 07:40:48,020
not this application is approved or disapproved. Right now,
There may be allegations, but as we know, under the constitution, a person is innocent

3647
07:40:54,300 --> 07:40:54,300
until proven guilty and the proof needs to be established in a full and final judgment
After litigation on the merits,

3648
07:41:00,300 --> 07:41:00,300
which has not occurred here. Ultimately, as an accommodation to the city,
We consented to the appointment of a receiver at the

3649
07:41:10,310 --> 07:41:10,310
moment. We're going back and forth with the court because the court changed our agreed
Upon receiver to another one that is disqualified because of a conflict of interest.

3650
07:41:20,510 --> 07:41:20,510
and we're getting the court to establish that we expect within the next probably three
Weeks,

3651
07:41:25,310 --> 07:41:25,310
the receiver to take over functional operations of the property and control over the
Property and control over the applicant.

3652
07:41:32,430 --> 07:41:32,430
so functionally, new management will be in place in order for this property to succeed the
Receivership to succeed.

3653
07:41:40,190 --> 07:41:40,190
ultimately, this plan needs to be approved, should be approved based on the objective
Facts and the standards under which these decisions are measured and

3654
07:41:49,950 --> 07:41:49,950
ultimately reviewed by a reviewing tribunal. There's no basis for denial if the city
Believes or if the council believes differently.

3655
07:41:56,230 --> 07:41:56,230
respectfully, we would ask that the application be put off sufficiently to allow the
Receiver.

3656
07:42:01,950 --> 07:42:01,950
thank you. Thank you. That's your time. Are there any other individuals in the audience
That would like to address the city council on this item.

3657
07:42:09,230 --> 07:42:09,230
item z14. No further speakers, mr. Mayor. Thank you.

3658
07:42:13,670 --> 07:42:13,670
councilmember, do you have a motion? Yes. On item number z14.

3659
07:42:18,270 --> 07:42:21,390
I move to follow the cpc recommendation of denial. Second, is that straight denial? Just straight denial.

3660
07:42:27,470 --> 07:42:31,190
okay. All right. It's been moved and seconded. All in. There's no discussion. Further discussion.

3661
07:42:34,790 --> 07:42:34,790
okay. All in favor, say aye. Well, I. Okay. Go ahead,
Go ahead.

3662
07:42:39,990 --> 07:42:39,990
colleagues, this zoning case was filed september 4th,
2024.

3663
07:42:44,070 --> 07:42:48,070
cm narvaez was expected to hear this case prior to his departure. This case started when I was a staffer, and I'm very familiar with this case.

3664
07:42:51,510 --> 07:42:51,510
as I heard from community members, the applicant's representative and commissioner
Carpenter,

3665
07:42:56,630 --> 07:42:56,630
cpc recommended denial. You all know commissioner carpenter is very thorough and
Thoughtful when she works cases.

3666
07:43:03,910 --> 07:43:07,440
cpc agreed with her and recommended denial as well. The applicant has delayed this case since june through various mechanisms.

3667
07:43:12,200 --> 07:43:12,200
you all should have received letters from constituents in district six who championed our
Local parks and the environment in northwest dallas they were not able to be here in

3668
07:43:20,200 --> 07:43:23,320
person. I know some of them are listening online. As many of you know, district six has a history of environmental issues.

3669
07:43:27,240 --> 07:43:27,240
this property sits near community parks, luna vista golf course,
L.b.

3670
07:43:31,360 --> 07:43:35,000
houston tennis center, and the elm fork gun range. These parks are community assets important for our residents and district six.

3671
07:43:38,920 --> 07:43:38,920
for this reason, I move to follow the cpc recommendation of denial.

3672
07:43:43,320 --> 07:43:43,320
thank you. Okay. Any further discussion? Okay.

3673
07:43:49,320 --> 07:43:49,320
seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed?

3674
07:43:53,720 --> 07:43:53,720
motion carries. Your next item, z16. Item z16 is a public hearing regarding an application
For one

3675
07:44:03,360 --> 07:44:03,360
rr regional retail district, and two a resolution accepting the termination of deed
Restrictions on property on the south corner of ferguson road in little pocket

3676
07:44:13,370 --> 07:44:13,370
road. Mr. Mayor, we sent 17 notices to property owners within 300ft of the area of
Request.

3677
07:44:20,850 --> 07:44:20,850
we received zero replies in favor and zero replies in opposition.

3678
07:44:25,530 --> 07:44:25,530
there are no registered speakers for this item. Are there any individuals in the audience
That would like to address the city council on this item? No speakers,

3679
07:44:32,570 --> 07:44:32,570
mr. Mayor, thank you. Councilmember bazaldua,
I move to approve this item as recommended by the city planning commission.

3680
07:44:38,610 --> 07:44:41,170
is there a second? Second? It's been moved and seconded. Any discussion? Councilmember? No, sir. All right.

3681
07:44:43,410 --> 07:44:47,410
seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Item c-17 is a public hearing on an ordinance granting an amendment to
Specific use permit number 2544 for an

3682
07:44:57,410 --> 07:44:57,410
alcoholic beverage establishment limited to a bar,
Lounge, or tavern, and a commercial amusement inside,

3683
07:45:04,010 --> 07:45:04,010
limited to a dance hall on property on the northeast line of botham jean boulevard,
Southeast of south boulevard.

3684
07:45:12,570 --> 07:45:12,570
mr. Mayor, we sent notices to property owners within 200ft of the area of request.

3685
07:45:17,490 --> 07:45:17,490
we received zero replies in favor and zero replies in opposition to the request.

3686
07:45:23,010 --> 07:45:23,010
there are no registered speakers for this item. Are there any individuals in the audience
That would like to address the city council on item z17?

3687
07:45:31,210 --> 07:45:31,210
no speakers. Mr. Mayor council member bazaldua I move to approve this item as recommended
By the city planning commission with the following change.

3688
07:45:39,850 --> 07:45:39,850
the scp is approved for an 18 month period. Second,
There's a motion and a second.

3689
07:45:45,650 --> 07:45:49,050
any discussion? Very briefly, yes. Thank you all. Colleagues I hope I can count on your support for this.

3690
07:45:53,090 --> 07:45:53,090
we all supported me deferring this item, and I just wanted to give you all an update that
I spoke with the applicant and,

3691
07:46:00,500 --> 07:46:00,500
am hoping to see some improvements in the area from some of the nuisance that had gone on.

3692
07:46:07,220 --> 07:46:07,220
we agreed upon an 18 month time period so that before I vacate out of this seat that I
Could help get them a longer term for

3693
07:46:17,140 --> 07:46:17,140
it. So that's the only update I wanted to give you all and hope that I can support you.

3694
07:46:22,380 --> 07:46:22,380
any further discussion? Seeing none. There's a motion and a second.

3695
07:46:27,100 --> 07:46:27,100
all in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries.

3696
07:46:33,700 --> 07:46:33,700
item one is a public hearing. One to receive comments on substantial amendment number one
To the fy 2020,

3697
07:46:41,140 --> 07:46:41,140
20 2526 action plan and at the close of the public hearing and to authorize substantial
Amendment number one to the fy 20 2526

3698
07:46:50,980 --> 07:46:50,980
action plan, including amendments to the fy 20 2425 through fy 2028 through 29.

3699
07:46:59,070 --> 07:46:59,070
five year consolidated plan amendments to the fy 20 2526 action plan and amendments to the
Community development block grant cares act

3700
07:47:08,710 --> 07:47:08,710
program, grant home investment partnerships,
American rescue plan program grant to a incorporate adjustments to the city of dallas

3701
07:47:18,030 --> 07:47:18,030
plans, policies, and programs implemented by the city manager pursuant to city council
Authorization to remain in compliance.

3702
07:47:26,550 --> 07:47:26,550
compliance with federal grant requirements and other federal directives reflect
Departmental and operational efficiencies set forth in the fy 20

3703
07:47:35,710 --> 07:47:35,710
2526 operating and capital budget with cdbg funds in the amount of $2 million for use on
Public improvement projects as

3704
07:47:45,670 --> 07:47:45,670
fy 20 2526 reprograming budget number one. There are no registered speakers for this item.

3705
07:47:54,390 --> 07:47:54,390
are there any individuals in the audience that would like to address the city council on
Item ff one.

3706
07:48:01,110 --> 07:48:01,110
no speakers, mr. Mayor. Move to approve. There's a motion and a second.

3707
07:48:07,630 --> 07:48:07,630
any discussion? Seeing. None. All in favor? Any opposed?

3708
07:48:18,190 --> 07:48:18,190
motion carries. At this time, I would like to recognize council member kadena.

3709
07:48:25,790 --> 07:48:25,790
yes. I need a motion to reconsider on z14. It's a denial with second.

3710
07:48:31,390 --> 07:48:31,390
yeah. Sorry. All right. All it requires is a simple majority.

3711
07:48:37,030 --> 07:48:37,030
you can restate your motion, please. I wanted to deny without prejudice.

3712
07:48:44,230 --> 07:48:44,230
motion to reconsider. Second. Okay. First, we have to vote on the reconsideration.

3713
07:48:52,430 --> 07:48:52,430
and it's a simple majority. All right. So those that would like to vote for the
Reconsideration,

3714
07:49:01,240 --> 07:49:01,240
please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. So now,
If you will read your, your new so on item z14.

3715
07:49:10,000 --> 07:49:13,440
I want to deny without prejudice second. All right. There's a motion and a second. Any discussion?

3716
07:49:17,800 --> 07:49:21,480
no discussion. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries, madam city secretary.

3717
07:49:25,200 --> 07:49:27,720
thank you, mr. Mayor. This concludes your voting agenda. You do have remaining open microphone speakers.

3718
07:49:31,280 --> 07:49:31,280
I'll recite the speaker guidelines.

3719
07:49:44,040 --> 07:49:44,040
speakers must observe the same rules of propriety and decorum applicable to the city
Council.

3720
07:49:51,360 --> 07:49:51,360
any speaker making personal, impertinent, profane,
Or slanderous remarks, or who becomes boisterous while addressing the city council will be

3721
07:49:59,050 --> 07:50:01,770
removed from the room. For those individuals who are in person. For those virtual speakers, you will be removed from the session. Individuals will be
Given three minutes to speak.

3722
07:50:07,610 --> 07:50:07,610
for those in person speakers, you'll notice a time on the monitor at the podium.

3723
07:50:11,650 --> 07:50:11,650
your time is up. Please stop for those virtual speakers,
I will announce when your time has expired.

3724
07:50:16,650 --> 07:50:16,650
also, speakers, please be mindful that during your public comments,
You are not allowed to refer to a city council member by name and to address your comments

3725
07:50:25,410 --> 07:50:25,410
to mayor moreno only. Your first speaker will be nicole mica.

3726
07:50:32,930 --> 07:50:32,930
miss mica will be virtual. I'm here. Can you hear me?

3727
07:50:39,130 --> 07:50:42,650
we can hear you have. Your video is not displaying. Shoot. How do I. I'm sorry.

3728
07:50:52,660 --> 07:50:52,660
my apologies. Okay. Hang on. Hello? Is it. Here we go.

3729
07:50:56,940 --> 07:50:56,940
yes, you may continue. Okay. My apologies. Okay.

3730
07:51:01,340 --> 07:51:01,340
good evening. I am here. I am speaking for you today on behalf of your resident horse,
Rocky,

3731
07:51:06,020 --> 07:51:06,020
as well as the other horses alongside rocky as well.

3732
07:51:11,100 --> 07:51:11,100
the volunteers. This is for banning horse drawn carriages,
By the way.

3733
07:51:15,460 --> 07:51:15,460
so the volunteers, the volunteers bravely go out day after day to witness the lack of care
These poor horses and other horses in this trade is going through.

3734
07:51:24,500 --> 07:51:24,500
the city is unable to monitor the trade because there's no there's no funds available nor
Real way to ensure the horses are getting proper care that they need.

3735
07:51:33,060 --> 07:51:33,060
this leads them to be open to abuse and putting their safety and others at risk from time
To time.

3736
07:51:38,500 --> 07:51:38,500
this is outdated in our modern times and needs to be banned immediately.

3737
07:51:43,500 --> 07:51:46,860
san antonio is the first city in texas that voted to phase this out. Phase out the carriages. So as you can see, people are saying the importance of compassion
And animal welfare.

3738
07:51:53,300 --> 07:51:53,300
as years go on, will you join the rest of us and bring peace and compassion to these
Horses?

3739
07:51:58,060 --> 07:51:58,060
retire them to a sanctuary, and if even able to or look into introducing electric
Carriages.

3740
07:52:04,540 --> 07:52:04,540
thank you for your time. Thank you. Gloria carbajal.

3741
07:52:29,100 --> 07:52:32,140
there's a button at the base of your. Thank you. Good evening. Yes. My name is gloria carbajal,
And I am the co-founder of ban horse carriages.

3742
07:52:38,700 --> 07:52:38,700
dallas. Today marks my 11th visit before you addressing this important issue.

3743
07:52:46,510 --> 07:52:46,510
this is a follow up explanation regarding last month's public comment in which I observed
I made observations of carriages

3744
07:52:56,390 --> 07:52:56,390
on the nights of october 4th, 11th, and the 17th.

3745
07:53:01,830 --> 07:53:01,830
section 47, a 3.2 requirements for horses in services in service,
States that a horse used in a non motorized

3746
07:53:11,310 --> 07:53:11,310
passenger transport service must, and number four is be offered not less than five gallons
Of drinking water at least every

3747
07:53:21,230 --> 07:53:21,230
two hours worked. During the nights of october the 11th and the 17th,
I witnessed the same driver fail to

3748
07:53:31,150 --> 07:53:31,150
even get down from her her carriage seat to offer the horse water.

3749
07:53:39,870 --> 07:53:39,870
and I was there about two hours. Also. Number five is have at least a ten minute rest
Period

3750
07:53:49,440 --> 07:53:49,440
every 50 minutes worked on all three nights. It was a rare occurrence that there was a ten
Minute break given.

3751
07:53:57,520 --> 07:54:00,520
if it was given, it was because of a lack of customers. Many times I witnessed the same driver drop off a group of customers,
And within five minutes she was back out working the horse.

3752
07:54:09,000 --> 07:54:09,000
in other words, as soon as she got a new group of customers,
She was off.

3753
07:54:13,160 --> 07:54:13,160
and this is another violation. Finally, on sunday,
June the 15th, 2025, which was father's day,

3754
07:54:22,600 --> 07:54:22,600
and on saturday, october the 11th, 2025, also a festive day with a college football game.

3755
07:54:32,040 --> 07:54:32,040
I witnessed horse waste fecal matter on the 1900 block of north hardwood street,
Of which I did take pictures and

3756
07:54:41,560 --> 07:54:41,560
videos. This is a clear violation of of number eight.

3757
07:54:45,760 --> 07:54:45,760
be properly cleaned with no offensive odors or cakes of dirt or mud,
And also nine wear a special sanitary

3758
07:54:55,560 --> 07:54:55,560
device for containing animal excrement. I will end this public comment with the same
Question that I had last time.

3759
07:55:04,840 --> 07:55:04,840
who is overseeing these drivers to ensure that they do the right to to do right by obeying
City code ordinance and maintaining public safety

3760
07:55:14,080 --> 07:55:14,080
concerns? We humbly ask again that you please support bringing back the proposal to ban
Horse drawn carriages.

3761
07:55:24,080 --> 07:55:24,080
thank you. Thank you. Veronica arredondo.

3762
07:55:49,130 --> 07:55:49,130
jaynie. Moreno. Sachse. Veronica. Chata. Ebba.

3763
07:55:54,850 --> 07:55:54,850
focus more. Mohammad ali khan. Hi. Mayor

3764
07:56:04,770 --> 07:56:04,770
pro tem moreno. My name is veronica. And thank you for being here today.

3765
07:56:10,570 --> 07:56:10,570
I represent myself as an individual and come here as a community member involved with the
Native american community.

3766
07:56:19,370 --> 07:56:19,370
and I came here today to bring the atacama, which is the good word about what is going on
In our community.

3767
07:56:28,450 --> 07:56:28,450
but I would like to say, as the city grows, it becomes more difficult for us to live our
Culture.

3768
07:56:34,970 --> 07:56:34,970
and so it is actually more difficult today than it was growing up in my childhood.

3769
07:56:40,860 --> 07:56:40,860
born and raised in oak cliff. And so I would like to recognize our community for their
Efforts through daily

3770
07:56:49,900 --> 07:56:53,700
discrimination, assimilation, and termination. We still are guided by our ancestors, and we remain resilient and come together.

3771
07:57:01,500 --> 07:57:01,500
in district two during november, the intertribal community council of texas hosted the
Sixth annual honor our elders

3772
07:57:10,980 --> 07:57:10,980
event, and in district 14, the inter-tribal council of at&t employees hosted the fifth
Annual native

3773
07:57:20,580 --> 07:57:20,580
american heritage month contest powwow. And in district one,
Texas native health hosted the storytelling in nature,

3774
07:57:30,260 --> 07:57:30,260
and there were many more events throughout arlington,
Fort worth, and across the state.

3775
07:57:35,460 --> 07:57:35,460
and there was a an historic moment in alto, texas,
Where the caddo mounds are located, and the traditional game of stickball

3776
07:57:45,180 --> 07:57:45,180
and caddo tamales were served. And this was a historic moment,
Because that has not happened in a thousand years.

3777
07:57:52,300 --> 07:57:52,300
and for the missing and murdered indigenous women texas rematriate,
They were able to solve a case that was about I think it's been a

3778
07:58:02,220 --> 07:58:04,780
year now. So they were able to solve that case. And so, so, so we are so grateful. And then for district one this weekend,
The dallas indian revival church is hosting a bake sale.

3779
07:58:15,100 --> 07:58:15,100
their church burned down about a year ago. And then on december 20th,
We are hosting the second annual coop's christmas

3780
07:58:24,540 --> 07:58:24,540
powwow celebration at dallas college, mountain view campus,
December 20th from 12 to 6.

3781
07:58:31,460 --> 07:58:31,460
and on december 16th tuesday we will be meeting with council member for district three
Zarin d gracey.

3782
07:58:39,710 --> 07:58:39,710
so thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you. Dolores.

3783
07:58:44,070 --> 07:58:44,070
philip.

3784
07:58:53,750 --> 07:58:53,750
dolores phillips homeless by retaliation. Your links,
Connections and networks.

3785
07:59:03,190 --> 07:59:03,190
your operations to have the ability to mask corruptions and cover ups.

3786
07:59:08,830 --> 07:59:08,830
you operate like a rico. I'm going to speak slowly and distinctly from my experience,
For which I understand it.

3787
07:59:17,110 --> 07:59:17,110
not you. How you want me to explain it. There's a sheriff over in johnson county,
And I've read all three of his indictments.

3788
07:59:27,550 --> 07:59:27,550
he's accused of and indicted of for obstruction of justice and in sexual harassment.

3789
07:59:34,000 --> 07:59:34,000
for the world of me, I cannot understand how your retaliatory open quid pro quo can
Operate strategically as sexual

3790
07:59:43,920 --> 07:59:43,920
harassment in your open quid pro quo, and it be justified because sheriff adam king and
Johnson county,

3791
07:59:52,360 --> 07:59:52,360
him and his victim represents other black women,
Men and women, beyond race and beyond title,

3792
07:59:59,720 --> 07:59:59,720
beyond sexuality. There is a young lady by the name of gabby little that was over there at
Newman high school or newman academy in arlington that was indicted for

3793
08:00:09,440 --> 08:00:09,440
crimes. And I could be her. I could be sheriff adam king and whatever this is that I'm
Confused about,

3794
08:00:16,520 --> 08:00:16,520
and I want to talk about it. But first, I want to talk about the retaliatory eviction that
Had me and my grandson in the elements.

3795
08:00:25,400 --> 08:00:25,400
no rent monies was due. It was a covert, overt,
Clandestine an operation and some of the documents that they got.

3796
08:00:33,050 --> 08:00:33,050
september 24th, 2025 mayor was for the case in dc dash 2106299,
Where these same

3797
08:00:42,850 --> 08:00:42,850
exhibits continued to be erased and stolen from the court of law.

3798
08:00:47,890 --> 08:00:47,890
now, I suppose to talk to you, but miss tolbert,
Sit in two meetings.

3799
08:00:52,730 --> 08:00:52,730
I know for sure with me speaking before the ok and cfpb about the cover up of the 911
Calls back in 2009,

3800
08:01:01,570 --> 08:01:01,570
the fabricated police report 02732918. In this retaliatory eviction,
They

3801
08:01:11,370 --> 08:01:11,370
stole the same documents. 911 calls fabricated police report that continues to be stolen
And targeted from

3802
08:01:21,250 --> 08:01:21,250
the courts of law. I heard much to say about my back injury where I was crushed in 1998.

3803
08:01:27,890 --> 08:01:27,890
them exhibits that y'all stole from honorable honorable judge williams.

3804
08:01:32,730 --> 08:01:32,730
you know, she prevailed against y'all. Stacey williams versus city of dallas 310 colon cv
1197.

3805
08:01:40,450 --> 08:01:44,450
she prevailed against y'all. She's the judge where the exhibits came up. Missing 12 to 15 of my images. I got scar tissue on my back and my stomach.

3806
08:01:49,850 --> 08:01:49,850
don't play with my pain. You had my dad take back.

3807
08:01:55,130 --> 08:01:55,130
take him back as as an incapacitated elder. Somebody made that call to take him back as
Retaliation.

3808
08:02:02,770 --> 08:02:06,370
we going to talk about it? I ain't going to be afraid to speak. Thank you, cheryl tovar. Cheryl tovar is not present.

3809
08:02:13,050 --> 08:02:13,050
marvin crenshaw is not present. This concludes your open microphone.

3810
08:02:17,450 --> 08:02:20,330
speakers. Mr. Mayor, there's no further business. Thank you. The time is 701, and we are adjourned.